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Eritrean Victims And An Illusive Justice

On April 14, Eritreans in the UK started a weekend of activities as Commemorating Eritrean prisoners of conscience. Many Eritreans attended the morning and evening sessions of events and Mesfin Hagos was one of the attendants.  Minor chaos ensued when a person publicly accused Mesfin as a perpetrator of the arrests and disappearances of Eritreans that happened in Eritrea when he was the minister of defense. The first minister of defense was Petros Solomon (imprisoned since Sept. 2001) and Mesfin Hagos was the chief of Staff. Around the time of the referendum in 1993, he became the minister of defense briefly until he resigned in 1995 after a clash with Isaias; he was replaced by General Sebhat Ephrem.

Like many others, Mesfin has been on the receiving end of accusations since he abandoned the PFDJ and joined the opposition sixteen years ago! It’s understandable that he bears collective responsibility together with other leaders of the ruling party, and if he is accused formally, only a competent court of law can try and sentence him. Importantly, the Eritrean opposition that is basically struggling against the brigandage of the unjust Eritrean ruling party which is known for its Kangaroo Courts, should not fall prey and be enticed by sentiments of mob justice and kangaroo court trials. This is just not what the Eritrean stands for.

In addition, if there is anyone who feels he has a case against Mesfin Hagos, or anyone else for that matter, the court doors in the West are wide open and anyone can seek justice in the UK, the USA, Australia, Canada, as well as in Europe. Failing that, creating endless wedge issues within the anti-PFDJ camp has become so destructive and confusing that it seems some are struggling for the sake of struggling and not to uproot the PFDJ, and replace it with just system that respects the citizen, and ushers peace and stability to Eritrea. And we believe the incident was a disservice to the prisoners, to the event, and to all of us who hold the cause of our prisoners very seriously. Such politicking should be shunned from venues dedicated to justice and human rights campaigning.  

To see what transpired in London last weekend, we surfed the social media outlets where unfortunately ruthless wars are being waged, and found a post on Hamid Drar’s page, which we believe gives our readers a glimpse of the incident. The following are excerpts of Hamid Drar’s Arabic Facebook post of April 17, 2016 that we translated into English.


The title of Hamid Drar’s post is, “Prisoners’ Commemorative Day And An Attempt to Divert The Message” and a subtitle, “When inverted logic prevails, one tends to hear his preferred melody only and nothing else!” He says that, “circumstantial emergency compelled” and he could not attend the seminar that was held in commemoration of Eritrean prisoners in the vicinity of the Victoria Station in central London.

His post is based on reports passed to him from a friend who attended the seminar and thanks his friend who, “exerted gracious efforts and did a good job, and made available to me information that I didn’t dream of…”

The post then shifts to a new subtitle, “The Surprise, stealing the spotlight, and diverting the message of the Prisoners’ Day,” and tells us that he came across a post that “was posted on a Facebook page of a distinguished friend.” His friend had posted a picture of Mesfin Hagos who had to appear to address the audience hastily, impromptu, at the event, “of the Prisoners day, that was marred by a lack of clarity for one reason and another, which, in my mind, created a fertile ground for the activities to be diverted to an unintended path.” Hamid states what was “written over the picture of Mesfin Hagos on my friend’s page, literally came as follows:

“The activist Mesfin Hagos is now speaking on the Eritrean Prisoners’ day commemoration in London, and he is replying to the brother of a prisoner, who accused him that he is one of the perpetrators of the arrests of those who disappeared. And [Mesfin] says that he is ready to appear before any court of justice. But we must first we have to establish the tools of justice.

Hamid thinks that the author, “by his post, inadvertently created a fertile ground for people to go to serious deduction and conclusions,” and basically encouraged anyone who wants to spread confusion around, a justification.

The discourse above suggests that Mesfin’s conclusion was reached after a logical and contextual dialogue. And also it gives the impression that Mesfin admitted guilt and is waiting for the establishment of a court to surrender himself up to it. I wished if the content included the circumstances and reasons that occurred and that preceded the appearance of Mesfin Hagos in the foreground. I am not saying that would have stopped people from writing, but it would have been more elaborate and honest.

What happened?

According to Hamid Drar, a man claiming to be a brother of one of the prisoners called Mesfin Hagos’ a criminal and a murderer because he was the defense minister when the arrests happened, “and he said that while pointing his finger towards Mr. Mesfin who was sitting in the back rows” Mr. Abdulrahman Sayed stopped the young man and told him, “We are not here to try anyone and this is not the place for such issues.”

“Mesfin Hagos had raised his hand to say a word about what he heard from the young man, but because the moderator, Mr. Abdulrahman Sayed, did not see him,” and because a number of “senior veterans who were sitting alongside him convinced him not to respond for reasons they mentioned to him, it seemed Mesfin was convinced and decided to keep silent and stopped raising his hand.

At the conclusion of the event, as Mesfin walked towards the exist gate, someone approached him and said, “why didn’t you respond and make your voice heard?” Amazed, Mesfin said, “I raised my hand but no one gave me an opportunity to speak, also the friends who were sitting beside me pressed on me not to respond because they didn’t see that worthwhile.”

At that moment, Suleiman Hussein intervened and told the person who was about to announce the end of the event, that Mesfin would like to say a word, and Mesfin basically said the following in Tigrinya:

“Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I’m not going to respond to what was said. I came here to participate in this anniversary because it concerns me just like it concerns the families of the prisoners and all Eritreans. Because I know the source and intensity and the magnitude of the campaigns targeted me personally, and it is still continuing, I expected more difficult positions, harder than just such talk. The reasons for such words is the general frustration and despair in which we live, but I will not accept it to be on my account, and it is not moral and logical to mention my name as an easy target as if I am responsible for the crimes of the regime.”
“I repeat here, as I have said repeatedly, I am ready to appear before any court of law to give my testimony and statements. But also, I say here that we must create the necessary ground and it is not appropriate to pass judgment against anyone in an arbitrary manner.”

“What surprised me was that some within the opposition practice similar methods that the regime follow, and we accuse the regime for not presenting the prisoners for whom the Prisoners’ Day is being commemorated, to a court and state that the regime didn’t provide a suitable environment and legitimate trials but adopts the law of the jungle. Do you not think in such a manner that some pursue the same wrong method?”

Hamid Drar writes that “normally, in the absence of legal references… the open cyberspace leads us to the wheat from the chaff, to witness those who write whimsically without scruples of conscience or accountability.” He further emphasizes, “It is normal and acceptable to find people who write with acceptable justifications and convictions, even if we do not adopt what they write…but we accept it as diverse views.” He goes on to criticize those who write their views in terms of “Yes-no, No and yes at the same time, so that no one is displeased with them… this opportunistic logic is making some fraud people continue with their discourteous circumlocution by grabbing the stick from the middle.” Hamid states:

It is not required to defend people because … they are mortal, what is needed is to defend the truth because it is everlasting, and to tread a sound a safe path to achieve truth, and … to prevent jumping to conclusions and issuing sentences without evidence. Otherwise, as is the case now, the law of the jungle will prevail and people will hide behind the Internet, using aliases or presenting unknown names in the bylines of postings to discredit others who adopt different views and convictions in order to intimidate and scare them so that all can run away and Truth will remain elusive.

Whatever may be the case, and without going over the issues of accusations and campaigns that dates back to about a decade and a half … or, since a wing from inside Eritrea joined the opposition after the G-15 event, we have witnessed a heightened state of character assassinations and defamations, by printing tens of books targeting only to discredit certain individuals within the opposition, and not the [Eritrean regime]… and as I wrote seven years ago in an article entitled, ‘Who is accusing who?’ [There are] many files that if opened, maybe the court would have a say on them, and which might turn many things upside down, and might expose many so-far hidden sins. As a result, as they say, “He who laughs last, laughs a lot.” Some reckless people will not benefit from the safe havens that adopt the policy of “accuse and defame, issue sentences over the cyberspace and claim that freedom of opinion is guaranteed until you get at other people.”

It easy to defame and abuse, even to put on trial those who do not agree with our convictions, but whenever we practice such methods, achieving the goals that we aspire to, in order to build a genuine democratic system on the basis of citizenship and equal opportunities, would be far-fetched. And any system built on the basis of oppressing others by those who desire to build such a system by character assassinating others through wanton accusations, and counter-accusations, can only bring about the birth of a repressive system not any better in its sadism than the authoritarian regime that is oppressing Eritrea and its people.

The message of the Prisoners’ Day was hijacked and diluted by bringing a side issue that does not benefit the prisoners in anything but confuses the case. Therefore, whoever raised it did a great service to the executioner of the prisoners, and not the opposite. In the future, I hope the coordinating body of the Eritrean Prisoners’ Day will prevent what happened yesterday from happening so that the message reaches its destination the way we all wish it.

Hamid further criticizes certain members of legislative councils of several opposition organizations who commented on the post of the Facebook page that had the picture of Mesfin for jumping “to ride the wave of abusing Mesfin, strangely, some of them are lawyers who know the procedures of civil and criminal trials. Then there are those who grab the stick opportunistically and made comments—people who are expected to tell the truth, even if it is supposed to be self-incriminating.”

Hamid further criticizes media personalities:

“inconceivably, there are great brothers who are supposed to avail their media outlets in order to help establish truth and the solidarity of the opposition… we note that one of them wrote words that make us doubt our quest to build a free and fair media as a substitute to the regime’s media in Asmara, and that is if we take the comments as a benchmark for understanding a media person that we are seeking to make a substitute for the media of the regime… and the owner of a second website who provided a link to a book full of insults and attacks on the person Mesfin Hagos.

He made the link to confirm the validity of what came yesterday evening in London, hastily, without waiting for the clouds to clear from the skies of the foggy city, and for the truth to be uncovered. As for our third friend, an owner of a website, he limited himself to clicking “Like” on the post, perhaps thinking it was a neutral word in such a reality.

Between 2004 and the end of 2007, I used a phrase that I often repeated when I was a broadcaster the Voice of Freedom radio the station, which was broadcasting to Eritrea. And I see some leaders of the opposition organizations, and journalists who have made comments that are in contradiction with what we expect of them, to play roles beyond the current situation of the opposition, and to work on bringing the opposition together, and to get us up from our stumble. But contrary to that, I find them contributing in hiding the poison in the fat; and I find myself repeating the old phrase anew, “May our glorious and proud nation be safe.”

Clarifications and addendums:

  1. The man who held the microphone at the function was Omar Zerai who on behalf of the function coordination entity apologized to Mesfin Hagos for what happened to him, and he paved the way for him to respond to the accusation.
  2. Osman Shekai said that he is the young man who pointed his finger towards Mesfin Hagos and therefore denies what was attributed to him.
  3. Suleiman Hussein and Abdu Abdallah were at the podium only to submit papers for the session. And Abdulrahman Sayed (Bohashim) was the Moderator.
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  • ‘Gheteb

    Planet Illogic Reads “ኣቢ በገበያ” (Abi In The Marketplace)

    Greetings!!

    Denizens of Planet Illogic illogically think and believe that their planet is the center or the hub of the universe. Not only that, they preposterously and irrationally assume that the whole planets and their moons and even all the stars of the universe revolve around Planet Illogic. In spite of all the known facts, it is an article of faith for all and sundry who hails from Planet Illogic to spout and mouth such off the wall ideas. Their whole Weltanschauung is based on this spurious and groundless assumption.

    It was under this milieu that Abi of Planeta Abyssinicus enters the imaginations of the denizens of Planet Illogic when they read a book entitled “ኣቢ በገበያ” (Abi In The Marketplace). The book is about Abi who hails from a village in Planeta Abyssinicus called ቀምበቢት. Abi grew up in this village of ቀምበቢት and his best friend was Mohammed ( I didn’t say Mahmud Saleh). On the weekends, Abi went to the marketplace with his father and he often run across his friend Mohammed. Abi’s viallge of ቀምበቢት is indeed ስፊና ለምለም መሬት ነው ( Qembebit is a vast and verdant land).

    When Planeta Abyssinicus ruled Planeta Erythrea, the later made the latter’s inhabitants to learn their language. The introductory Amharic book was called ለማ በገበያ ( Lemma In The Marketplace), whose central character, a boy named Lemma, lived in a village called ቀምበቢት; had a friend named Mohammed and his village was located in such a vast and verdant land.

    In Abi’s Weltanschauung, the Revolution of Planeta Erythrea was not only mightily supported by Planeta Arabica, but it was instigated and was conducted solely for the benefit and interest of that Planet. Abi even hyberbolically asserted that the denizens of Planet Illogic to be nothing more than slaves of Planeta Arabica and this has gotten the denizens of Planet Illogic dander up and they are really miffed by such a rank effrontery and insult by Abi of Planeta Abyssinicus.

    In the Logical Galaxy, the support that Planeta Arabica rendered to The Revolution of Planeta Erythrea was not only INDISPENSIBLE, but also INCONTROVERTIBLE in the sense that no amount of illogical ruminations of the denizens of Planet Illogic will wash away this fact nor will this illogical denial put more space and distance between the SISTERLY planets of Planeta Erythrea and Planeta Arabica. By some bizarre mental alchemy, denizens of Planet Illogic erroneously and futilely assume that their planet is contiguous to Planeta Abyssinicus and Planeta Erythrea is far, far away from Planeta Arabica, as if the latter planet is located a far flung galaxy and not a stone’s throw from Planeta Erythrea.

    There is more to the fallaciously unreasoned way of thinking of those who hail from Planet Illogic. Their high priests led by parson Amanuel Hidrat mistake ቀምበቢት for ደደቢት and want all inhabitants of Planeta Abyssinicus to accept this “new reality” without any reservations and pay their homage to this holy and hallowed place of ደደቢት (Dedebit). They expect those who hail from Planeta Abyssinicus to reorient their thinking and accept that the alliance and co-operations between these two planets, Planeta Abyssinicus and Planet Illogic is based on the assumption that ደደቢት and NOT ቀምበቢት is the nerve center and the heart of this alliance.

    Actually, in the illogical way of thinking denizens of Planet Illogic, ቀምበቢት has morphed to ደደቢት and the later ceases to exist in their imaginations. Hence the war of words between Abi of Planeta Abyssinicus and the denizens of Planet Illogic.

  • tes

    Dear Peace!,

    I am not among those who believe on “the end of the world is today”. I believe on evolutionary concept and hence I apply on my daily life. For this, I am not a naive optimist but a person who reads trends. What I say is therefore based on realistic trends and close observation of Eritrean Opposition strength.

    I can’t agree more when you say, “the battle for freedom is inside the country, not outside.” Allow me to ask you just one question:

    Can a slave under the chains of his master is able to fight back against so that to be freed?

    I will wait your response however I would like to drop my understanding. A slave need first to escape using the best opportunity he got and then first take a breath some where far from the master. Then, he will get enough time to free himself from slavery mindset. Once he achieved that he can get enough energy to organize and fight back the grand master. This is what the world has experienced throughout its existence.

    Eritrea’s case will not be different.

    When we come to 1960s Eritrean history and read the establishment of ELF history, ELF was established in Cairo, Egypt. Eritreans who were far away from direct Ethiopian target were able to come together and organize for a common cause. Not only this, when our father Woldeab W/mariam was not able to pursue his peaceful fight for Eritrean full freedom, he fled and started a radio program from Cairo Egypt. Just one more example, Haraka (Mahber 7) was established in Port Sudan which later was able to establish massive network of clandestine cells in Eritrea.

    Then, what is making you to forget your history and ignore the brutal regime acts to kill/jail anyone who utters a single word against him? Are you forgetting that PFDJ has spying networks that can help it to look into every Eritrean’s daily life?

    Waiting your response with an open mind

    tes

    • Peace!

      Selam tes,

      I understand the need of fertile land for initiating a military struggle is crucial, but what we are witnessing is that the youth, despite the unbearable dangers, are fleeing the country and settling in Europe for good, and that takes us to ask a simple question: is there a willing to fight? I mean if I am well trained, armed, and have the willing to fight, why would I surrender my weapon and jump onto a crowded boat and die trying to reach to Europe?

      The other thing worth of mentioning is that the neighboring countries also have not been supportive: Sudan is pretty much a backyard of PFDJ, and Ethiopia also doesn’t seem to be interested on stable and democratic Eritrea. In fact, the TPLF lead government is responsible for creating divisions among opposition groups and still searching for ways to form a puppet transitional government ( may be Amanuel Hidrat can educate us about the destructive role of weyane). Now, do I blame the youth for taking a risky journey and make it all the way to Europe? absolutely not.

      Peace!

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear AT
    I’m very busy these days. Just dropped by to say what a wanderful initiative you have taken in raising this prevalent issue of collective character assassination. You have emphasized justice to cheap politics. Hopefully, I will post a longer comment. Thanks to ustaz Hamed and the rest of the coordinating committee for trying to make “The Day Of Prisoners” the center of the gathering.
    PS: I was actually to forego it because I thought it was the usual politicking by a contributor. Some comments made me read it. I’m glad I read it.

    • Ted

      Hi the Greatest, talented Giutarist and innovator singer of our time passed away. RIP Prince .

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan Ted
        I read it, very sad. The most health conscious and private guy, a guy who fought the music industry single-handedly, talented and innovative artist; Well, Rest in peace.

  • T..T.

    Hi tes, Kokhob Selam, and all,

    Isayas and those who are and were with him in leadership not only failed to translate the Eritrean aspiration and visions into reality but also their actions killed the dreams of the Eritrean people. Yes, these ex-leaders not only killed the dreams of our people but they also failed to learn from their mistakes repeatedly.

    No doubt, many of the ex-leaders who deserted the regime were bold in facing the occupation forces but, after liberation, they turned into cowards in the face of the tyrant Isayas turning their backs on their comrades (G-15) and others. It follows, no one believes in them until they act on their courage and become fearless, like they were in the field, by coming forward as witnesses to tell the world about the crimes of the regime against the Eritrean people.

    In 1994, upon signing a security and defense pack with Ethiopia in Addis Ababa, Mesfin Hagos, as defense minister, wanted detained or brought back with him members of the ELF-RC to Asmara but Meles refused. For more, read below:

    Source: http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6a9e3a.html

    “Twenty-six Eritrean Liberation Front-Revolutionary Council (ELF-RC) officials and members were detained in Ethiopia on 29 April 1994 and their office in Addis Ababa closed. They include Haile Gebru, Berhane Tesfagaber, Abdelaziz Ahmed Said, Fessahaye Okba Michael and six others arrested in Addis Ababa, and Gebre-Yesus Tsegay, Mahmud Ismail and 14 others arrested in Mekelle. They were apparently detained at the request of the Eritrean government because of their opposition to it. Several of them are currently under house arrest.”

    Mesfin Hagos’s problem as described by Jim Hightow was that, “The opposite for courage is not cowardice, it is CONFORMITY. Even a dead fish can go with the flow.”

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear T,T,
      OMG! We are telling them but are not hearing. I am sure thousands of secrets will come out. Things are not as easy as some thought and Mr. Mesfin knows that we know a lot. But I am wondering why are some trying to defend when we are asking only to let him talk himself every story and clear it. I think he is willing by now.

      • T..T.

        Dear Kokhob Selam,

        ስርዓተ ብላዕ ተባላዕ of Isayas, as the criminal regime, is fully responsible for all crimes committed against the people. However, the ex-leaders should play a role in giving the names of all perpetrators enabling the international court to investigate all the heinous crimes and to try all those who participated in the crimes against the people.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear T.T.
          See, actually everything will come out and sure there will be group of people who will pay for it. if we like it or not days will come soon–. People like Mesfin should play their role if they are really against PFDJ. that is the starting point – expose everything and stand with the victim – otherwise it is clear they are not really for peace and they still didn’t change with their stand of killing people. It is simple and good chance for them and they should act fast as situations are changing fast and things may go of control to forgive them. I hope they are reading those massages.

  • Lamek

    Appeal to Kokhob Selam.

    From my limited understanding, I suspect your widib is based in Sudan or Ethiopia.

    As you may have seen tes’s earlier post, PFDJ has been strictly instructed by the office of the president to collect 307,000 signatures petitioning what they call ‘the unjust’ investigation and reports of the COIE.

    I urge your organization to pass mass fliers reminding all Eritreans that signing this petition is equivalent to saying that the Eritrean witnesses in the COIE report are lairs. The witnesses are the exact same people as in those young men and women languishing in the Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt, Libya, Israel, Italy, and untold other countries. That is what you need to remind these people.

    What am I doing about this? I am working in my community, texting emailing people telling them what is coming. Reminding them that signing this petition is betraying the very family members who drowned in the sea or got shot by PFDJ or are languishing everywhere, preparing to take the treacherous sea route to Europe.

    IA and PFDJ are dead serious about this. I have posted about this a few weeks ago too. They have allocated millions of dollars to fight the COIE report that is coming out in June. This campaign of signature collection is going from April 16 through May 27. We can make this an utter failure for PFDJ. Their target is 70,000 signatures in Sudan.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Lamek,
      First of all I am an ordinary member and as individual I am transferring your massage and they are now reading it even. But they have been on this one also and are working about it. I hope it will give results. let us follow up together.

  • tes

    Selam The secular socialist republic,

    It is goof that we agreed in the first point. That is the most important point to me.

    On ESMNS: I understand on their diversity problem. They are too local and unrepresentative to the Eritrean diversity. However they are trying to produce leaders within their circle. Most of the time I am cautious on their ideological approach, which resembles that of PFDJ, however, they seem to be somehow open to other movements too. I had a serious of debates on facebook with some prominent members of ESMNS and I found them to be intolerant and aggressive. Nevertheless they will some how establish a strong resistance force against PFDJ.

    tes

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Joe,
    History has recorded the development of societies and we have learnt all what challenges obstacles they have gone through. every society has gone through different stages and we Eritreans are not different. This small nation with it’s few population in that strategic position had suffered a lot more than other surrounding nations. Yet, no question the none stop struggle for freedom was seen even in our era recently – No doubt the people will accomplish their aim soon or letter but it seems they want to do it in correct way – unlike the movements we noticed in Arab countries recently. It is a mater of time just watch.

  • L.T

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  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    Greetings ,
    “GOVERNMENT” & “OPPOSITION” PARTIES
    TO THE PEOPLE :
    First comes our seats in the power (TG)
    Next comes your demands & questions.
    What is surprising and unsettling thing to see on the current
    Ethio – Eritrean Horn political development is that :
    People’s concerns and affairs are not received the attention
    but postponed yet further to a later TBD date in the future.
    While now
    Everybody is just only anxiously waiting for his own self benefits
    according to the calculations he/she has been making and following
    through during the zemen wura wura time !
    How come a “struggle” that admittedly wasted its precious time of
    two or more decades and had been off truck to secure the interests
    of the public and the country or form a united organization that can
    be trusted by the people to implement basic democratic practices ;
    be suddenly expected to be genuine overnight ? One only harvests
    if he/she plants the seeds well in his farm !
    Now, based on this minimum measuring standard , would one expect
    basic democratic governance and rule of law after 6 months from now
    ( probably the expected time for the coming of the Transitional Government).
    It looks like there is no the urgency or the preparation and readiness for it
    rather everyone is in the wait for his/her dreamed of secured positions in
    the coming power, authority or government whatever you call it.
    It looks like a deja vu again, where
    the new TG is prepared to be PFDJ II and tell the public it is not time for
    democracy and free speech and tell them to serve and work for the country
    whipping their National patriotic feeling until they themselves become new
    power Elites. I can see that some or many have already positioned themselves
    for these scenario in the names of political parties which has served none to
    the public cry and concerns except chasing their private and group interests
    at the expense of the people and its precious resources.
    Because, if the goal was/is for a democracy and justice to prevail , the efforts
    and aims of the struggle of the people should have been directed towards that
    end or direction.
    Rather, it seems it was / is simply an agreement to share power and become
    two agreed upon new Elites on two governments/lands and postpone the
    questions, demands and cries of the people for justice and democracy to a
    later unknown date for the future after power is consolidated in the hands of
    the few.
    There seems to be all of a sudden love and replication to the PFDJ works and
    ways……..now…….when coming nearer ……smelling the seat in power. kkkk

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awate Staff,
    I can’t agree more with your opinion in this issue. The Eritrea justice seeking camp should stay away from harmful practices of street justice/injustice by wanton accusations of individuals; practices that are the hallmarks of the oppressive PFDJ and its hardline followers. As you put it clearly, if there are people who feel to have been wronged by any individual, they have to take their cases to the justice system of the countries they reside in. And we have to follow the golden rule that anyone is innocent until proven guilty by a free and independent court of law.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Abraham H.
      Thank you for this massage. But we have to note that people are so nice they only show their frustration so far and no single crime was committed as revenge against who were in top position of the illegal group called PFDJ. in fact things are even worst registered from long time nonstop crimes done from the criminal group who was hidden behind our national freedom struggle. Those who came out of the camp should announce why they leaving PFDJ openly and join the mass. Dear Abraham we have lost a lot of people under administration of those guys and none of them should try to play again any more to sit in our head.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Kokhob S.,
        I hope you understand my view, which is the same view as this article. If there are any people who have issues against the ex-PFDJ officials, then they have their full rights to sue them and present their cases in reliable courts of law. By the way for your information in some countries like Sweden it is even possible to present cases against those inside the country and still serving the dictatorship. The burden of proof lies upon the accusers; and no one is guilty unless proven so by court. This is a basic tenet of justice that anyone who fights for rule of law should follow and respect.
        This statement of yours “Those who came out of the camp should announce why they leaving PFDJ openly and join the mass” is completely wrong. Anyone has the right to do whatever they wish with their lives: whether they want to stay out of public life, or participate together with others, or pursue a struggle against PFDJ on their own, it is entirely upto them.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Abraham,

          “Anyone has the right to do whatever they wish with their lives: ” so you miss my point. remember they don’t have right to control my life – that is what I am saying. They have killed people and nation and you want them to participate in my struggle saying they are free! I know you are not talking form bad intention but your worlds are like calling for war against them.

          my advice is we have to be able to coup this stage and they have to use wisdom not to be part of the opposition unless they clear with people. The best thing is if they will go silent like Ali Abdu now. But if they want to be part of opposition, there is only one single gate..ask pardon to people and join forgetting to hold leadership postion .

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Lamek and KS,
            I will just repeat what I said before: you have evidences against these people, go ahead, sue and prove them guilty. Other than that it is a disservise to justice to demand repentance from them for things they may or may not have committed. The fact that they have dissociated themselves from the regime and are now part of the camp fighting for justice and rule of law is a form of admittance from their side that they were wrong when seving the dictator.
            Lamek, you said “They are still glorifying EPLF saying eti natsnet zemtsea ginbar, etc.” Yes , why not glorify EPLF, didn’t it lead the Eritrean people’s struggle for independence to fruition? Ok, the situation regarding justice, human rights and rule of law is disastrous, but what does this have to do with glorifying EPLF or not?
            KS, please stop acting like a doorkeeper of the opposition camp; no one owns opposition camp. All Eritreans have the right and duty to fight for their people, and remember people don’t have to be members of certain organizations to pursue their struggle; they may and could lead their efforts in a way they deem fit.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,
            Well I have said only my view and again you have said yourself “The fact that they have dissociated themselves….” see, you want me to tell you one truth and I am trying to touch part of it only. Abraham, I have written in Tigrinya how much it pains to lose from your party- by mentioning those kidnapped if you are feeling it (which I don’t think) that is up to you. The crimes done by this leadership is so high it has compromised the lose of the nation it self- you know what I mean. if really it is the leadership who brought the nation and that will be proved by you I will drop my citizen ship as for me Mesfin and IA are not better than Ethiopian ex leaders – promise! that high is the hate they have installed and the prove is the reality. Look what is happening to Eritrea today – when I use to say to Dr. Safi Imam or Dr. Taha noor it was early to see and they might consider me young and emotional… but now? If they come for a moment they will really agree with me that EPLF leadership was not really for peace and freedom. Today unless someone is criminal himself no clean human will defend those dirty guys.

            But since it is we the people who brought this national’s freedom, I was always confident the secret will come out. and here we are.. we are not going to burn the house just to kill the rat, let the rat come out.

            Tell me now why those guys are here? is it really true they want democratic nation? don’t you think it is their weakness or the strength of their ex-boss that put them in this condition? weren’t they killing people?

            at last my friend, we those who were victimized will not allow them to lead us but even will not give the way to be part of us .. to see them as simple opposition individuals we need to hear from them everything.. if you think they can survive as opposition , you have to do is wait and see.
            nothing to debate about it. But by encouraging them to go as they want. you are killing them.

          • Lamek

            Hi Abraham, as far as I am concerned, the Eritrean people brought about what we call independence. EPLF was there facilitating but without the heavy and costly sacrifice of every Eritrean family, there would be no independence. Independence doesn’t belong to EPLF. EPFL brought corruption, cronyism, divisions between various lines. EPLF is the cancer of Eritrea. EPLF = PFDJ and PFDJ = EPLF. No two ways about it. That’s my opinion and you don’t have to buy it.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Lamek,
            Please do not misinterpret me. I didn’t say EPLF brought independence single handedly, and I didn’t say the independence belongs to EPLF/PFDJ. What I said was the EPLF led the Eritrean people’s struggle for independence to fruition, nothing more. Obviously the EPLF could not win a single battle let alone liberate the whole of Eritrea without the participation and sacrifices of the Eritrean people, so no need of tuition on this basic fact.

        • Lamek

          Hi Abraham, I think what KS is saying is that the likes of say, Mesfin Hagos and Andeberhan W., were the right hand men of IA and PFDJ for many years. Now they joined the justice camp. Shouldn’t they repent and publicly acknowledge their mistakes of the past and why they were so mistaken for so long? I am with KS on this one. Specially high level officials like the two I mentioned above, Ali Abdu, and others must be accountable for their actions. We can’t wait for any court of law to try them and sentence them. They have to admit all their wrong-doings. They are still glorifying EPLF saying eti natsnet zemtsea ginbar, etc. We have to make sure these people are truly rehabilitated before we can put them in any position of leadership, even an organization of two people. I agree they would not survive without IA and he is ultimately responsible. However, if they are now condemning the system for all suffering of Eritreans, these sufferings were happening while they were drinking whiskey in the bars in Asmara and they were part of the system. So even by criticizing the current regime, they are incriminating themselves.

  • tes

    Dear Awate Readers,

    What Sactism is leaking?

    Starting from April 16, 2016, PFDJ has launched world wide campaign against COiE report that is supposed to be presented in June. This extensive campaign is carried by a recently established Global Network of PFDJ policies protector lead by Dr. Gideon Abay and likes. In this project, more than 350,000 petitions are supposed to be collected through internet, written and then accompanied by demonstration in early June.

    Sactism wrote this disclosed and supposed to be unclassified circular document in his FB page. He wrote it in Tigrigna (sorry those who can’t understand it). It reads:

    እዚ ሰነድ ብቤ/ጽ ፕረሲደንት ተዳሊዩ ብስም ሚኒስትሪ ጉዳያት ወጻኢ- ክፍሊ ጠረጴዛታት ዝወጸ ናብ ኩለን ሚሺናትን ጠቕላሊ ቆንስሊያታትን ዝተለኣኸ ኮይኑ፡ ቀንዲ ዕላምኡ ክኣ ኣንጻር ባይቶ ውዱብ ሕቡራት ሃገራት ኣጻራዬ ኮሚሽን ሰብኣዊ መስልን ፍሉይ ራፖርተርን ውሁድ ተቓዉሞ ብምግባር ብውጽኢቱ ዓለም ዝፈንፈነቶ ውልቀ መላኺ ኢሳይያስ ዲፕሎማስያዊ ዓወት ረኺቡ ዕድመ ስልጣኑ ከናውሕ ዘዳለዎ ናይ ኣፍ ሞት ሰነድ እዩ፡፡ “ዓለም-ለኸ ኤርትራዊ መኸተ ንፍትሒ” ዝበሃል ብስም ፍትሒ ዝሽቅጥ ትካል ብምጥያስ፡ ክካየድ ዝጸንሐ ህግደፋዊ መኸተ ንምቅጻልን ንምድልዳልን ዝተዳለወ ኢሳይያሳዊ ሰነድ ከምዝሕብሮ ብኣስገዳድን ብወለንታን ኣስታት ፍርቂ ሚሊዮን ናይ ተቓዉሞ ፊርማታት ብወረቐትን ብኢንተርኔትን ብምእካብ ንባይቶ ሕቡራት ሃገራት ጥርዓናት ከቕርቡ ወጢኖም ኣለው፡፡ ኣብ ቀረባ ዝወጸ ሓድሽ ታሴራ (መንነት)፡ ፓስፖርትን ካልኦት መሳልጢ ውልቃዊ ደኩሜንታትን ከም ትሕጃ ብምጥቃም ዜጋታት ንምስላጥ ናብ ኢምባሲሳታትን ቆንስላትን ምስ ዝኸዱ ብጎኒ ብኣስገዳድ ነቲ ቅጥዒ ክመልእዎ ተሓቢሩ፡፡

    ኣብ መላእ ዓለም ብዝርከቡ ደለይቲ ፍትሒ ክሳብ ሕጂ ኣንጻር ምልካዊ ጉጅለ ኢሳይያስ ዝተኻየዱ ተቓዉሞታትን ዝተረኸበ ዓወታትን ንምፍሻል ኩሉ ዝከኣሎ ዘበለ ዓቕምታቱ ጸንቂቑ ክረባረብሉ ዝወጠኖ ሰነድ፡ ኣብ ግብሪ ንምውዓል ኩሎም እሙናት መሓውራት ህግደፍ ክረባረብሉ ተሓቢሩ ኣሎ፡፡ “ኣብዚ ተኣፋፊ እዋን ልዕሊ’ዚ ካልእ ዋኒን የብልናን” ብምባል ሕድሕድ ዝተወጠነ መደብ ንምትግባር ብትእዛዝ ኢሳይያስ ሚሊዮናት ዶላራት ተሰሊዑሉ’ሎ፡፡

    For more details: ኩሉ ግዱስ ኤርትራዊ ክቃለሶ ዝግባእ ዝዓበየ እዋናዊ ሚስጢራዊ ሰነድ ህግደፍ

    tes

  • AMAN

    Dear Awtes
    Greetings first,
    So Now , If things are like this or look like this ;
    In what way was I an opportunist or a
    petty bourgeoise class ????????????
    that
    your Awate blamed me ?

    • Saleh Johar

      Dear AMAN and Fanti Ghana,

      Sometimes I wonder if you are not reading some other page in another forum. Did Awate blame you? Which Awate are you talking about, I am assuming Awate, the website. It would be very interesting to know when that happened. By the way, this is not the first time you are making such a claim, you did it so many times, only today I felt lime asking you again, like several times before and you didn’t explain or elaborate. This time I am counting on Fanti Ghana to help me get to the bottom of your claims and allegations.

  • tes

    Dear AT and Readers,

    The problem is that the opposition camp is looking for leaders instead of producing leaders. As far as this problem is not solved leaders like Mesfin Hagos and Andebrhan W/Gergish will come. Unfortunately we know what their leadership role produced. And when they come in the leadership position, they will have a negative impact to the true justice we are looking for. It will because they will suppress the voice of the voiceless people. Mesfin Hagos’s speech is an important lesson on how justice can be suppressed or kept as a pending issue.

    Solution: Opposition camp should learn to produce leaders not to invite leaders.

    Optimism: Youth Political Movement like ESMNS (Eritrean Solidarity Movement for National Salvation) have great potential though they are risking two cross-roads. 1 – being highly influenced by former opposition parties and 2 – unable to differentiate between strategic ally and strategic place.

    tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear tes,
      This is very important massage. Yet, regarding Leaders,,we are convinced leaders should be only workers, slaves of the system. no more leader in it’s old meaning but Procrustes and polices do the job. Here is the difference and the change we all will be facing, again regarding Salvation continue being optimistic and this will be the one that will take calculated risk and mass participation is important. Thank you.

      • tes

        Dear Kokhob Selam,

        Leadership is an all-time needed profession. But today, leaders and leadership quality has changed on the way they are characterized. What we have today is COE (Chief Operation Executive) – as the center of leadership hub. When there is far sighted COE, a given organization prompts well. The COE couches and guides the who organization. It is a quality of well-being. Today, we need COE as the center of driving force for change.

        What you are saying is that leaders should be only workers, slaves of the system. I don’t agree with you. We need leaders who think, who plan, who philosophize, who are very creative and very gentle. What you are missing here is that nature without leadership is vague and zero. can’t you take an easy lesson from “bee”?

        In case you are not aware: PFDJ ideology is the same as you are saying. In 1994*, PFDJ launched a program that produces workers and slaves of a system. I am disappointed again to read from you the same line? may be, may be, you are still a victim of your old ideology (The Socialist ideology of both ELF and EPLF), that diminishes the value of leadership and strives on the heavy price paid by workers and slaves.

        I cry loudly when I read similar concept from you. Hope your party does not have the same program for the future.

        tes

        *National Service

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear tes,

          I am sure you are examining something here..Ha ha. I was replying to show you what future leadership looks power wise. The chance of dictatorship is closed as the leadership will only serve for limited time and through controlled system. But I don’t mean leaders should become robots at all. My friend why are doing so? I hope you have got my point.

    • Peace!

      Dear Tes,

      No matter how much we hate PFDJ or others, the transition government must be inclusive if it is going to be successful. The people have learned a lot in the last twenty-five years, and definitely are well aware whom to elect to govern the country.

      One of the major mistake Paul Bremer did after the fall of Sadam was “de-baathification” which still haunting the country thirteen years after the invasion.

      Peace!

      • tes

        Selam Peace!

        If PFDJ was inclusive, then yes we could have said as such. Yet there is no room in PFDJ’s system to be inclusive. For this, first and foremost, all opposition groups within the justice camp should work together (hence inclusive) to weed-out PFDJ.

        Here what we should be aware from is that PFDJ as a political system is not designed to sit with other political forces. It was designed to be like that of North Korean and Chinese Communist Party. The only option that exist is to demolish PFDJ as a political power and ban it from rebirth, and its former members can either establish other parties or join existing opposition camps under a precondition set. The precondition should be deprogramming from their old ideology and re-program themselves or with the help of others.

        On the “de-PFDJications process”, I don’t think we will have that much complexity. The political development and age of Baath are different from that of PFDJ. Baath party was very strong party, a party that governed Iraq for decades and able to conduct different wars. They have strong military wing and resources. PFDJ, NO. It is a mafia group that works in mafia principles.

        tes

        • Peace!

          Selam tes,

          You made good points, but you also have to be realistic that we have been saying the same thing for over eighteen years: PFDJ needs to be eradicated, weeded out, demolished, and so on, but sadly enough, nothing has changed that the killing and suffering continues. This indicates we have a major misconception of our capacity to do certain things, and it is costing the people and the country immensely. Therefore, the realistic approach is to fully support people inside the country to rise up and fight for their freedom. As for de-baathification I don’t think it matters how structured or organized the outgoing system is, but what really matters is that the potential it has to destabilize the country in aftermath of its dawnfall. Nowadays, with the world is divided along ethnic, religion, and tribe lines, specially in Africa, it doesn’t take much to create coas and disrupt peacefull solutions. As I said the people are well aware and know which path to take just help them get the opportunity they need.

          Peace!

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            Justice does not come within a day. For example, Black people in US fought for almost 200 years just to be free from been slaves. During these 200 years, hundreds of thousands and millions died. Similar history are recorded every where. Not that far to go, Ethiopians fought for 17 years to remove Mengstu Hailemariam from power. Even now, many rebel groups are fighting to weed-out Woyane (your prime enemy) from power.

            Then, speaking from realistic point of view, what is different in the case of Eritrea?

            EPLF came as a governing power in 1991 and then replaced by PFDJ (1994). In 1994, almost 100% of Eritreans were OK (by default) with PFDJ regime. This continued till 2000, when PFDJ officials divided among themselves. Till then, all was OK with the majority. The real problem with Eritrean majority and PFDJ regime came in 2005, when people started to be arrested massively. Detention centers started to be established everywhere and for everyone. Eritrea became pure socialist country and coupon was widely introduced. Courts were closed and community centered (socialistic concept) local courts opened. Private business started to be limited and almost no import was possible. This has shifted people’s opinion about PFDJ. Since then it has been 11 years.

            Youth started to flee massively but never got a landing place. This continued till 2012. It is only from 2012 onwards then a real and massive mobilization of anti-pfdj started. Today, outside Eritrea, PFDJ supporters shrunk well below 40%. Inside Eritrea, PFDJ has no support.

            Not only from supporters side, within the last 10 years, hundreds of PFDJ officials and higher cadres run away from the circle.

            Forget now Eritrea’s world isolation.

            Can’t you see these developments? What is then less from weeding-out the PFDJ regime? To weed-out PFDJ is not a one day achievement. It is gradual and the result is sustainable.

            Be positive therefore on the achievements registered so far.

            tes

          • Peace!

            Selam tes,

            Are you saying we are fighting while fleeing. Good. Would you mind sharing who is fighting and where is the fight taking place?

            Peace!

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            No I didn’t say that. To fight, you need a standing place. When you are in danger, the first thing you do is to escape and hence flee. This is not a new phenomenon. Eritreans in late 1960s, throughout 1970s and then massively in the 1980s were fleeing from Ethiopian aggressors. Most freedom elites joined the armed struggle by returning back from foreign countries. Thousands of our freedom fighters continued to join the armed struggle from Sudan, Ethiopia middle east and far from western countries. They did so because first they were forced to flee but then understood that they need to fight back. This is exactly what is happening today.

            Dear Peace!!, I am not naive to say that those who flee are doing strategic withdrawal. They are fleeing because they are in danger. When they flee, they are not going out to fight back but to save their precious life from slavery and torture. Once they reached a place where they can recall their dignity, then only they can fight back to restore their lost values of dignity. This is what we are doing.

            A slave can not declare that he is a slave while he/she is under the custody of the master. First and foremost, the slave must escape and then fight back to the enslaver. This is what is called “Freedom from chains”.

            Just for Thursday’s read for you: FREEDOM FROM CHAINS AS A LESSON FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.

            Extract from the article:

            I don’t understand why humans are so cruel to others and to animals. I don’t understand why those in power (of any color) torture and abuse those without power. I don’t understand why they can’t see that a living, breathing being is suffering and why they think it’s in any way ok to keep them down and abused.

            Dear Peace!, those who flee are powerless people. They are subjected to abuse and torture. They can’t stand by themselves. Hence the only option they have is to flee. Those who flee are courageous as they have got little extra energy to do so. For me, just to flee is enough as a first step of courage?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            You are saying Eritreans are fleeing first and then when they settled ( may be some at refugees camps) they claim their dignity. The notorious zombie Semere Andom is saying Eritreans have already restored their dignity. You guys should talk to settle this dignity thing. I mean can we safely say Eritreans got their dignity back once they reached in Ethiopian refugee camps? Or in Mekele or in Addis?
            You also said ” … those who flee are courageous…” Now that is interesting. This one you have to settle with General Nitricc. Can we also safely conclude that those Eritreans who are still in Eritrea are cowards? Does this conclusion makes Semere Andom a courageous zombie? Since when ” fleeing ” and ” courageous ” became complimentary?
            I think I need a tutorial on such concepts as dignity, courage, freedom, independence in relation to Eritrea.
            How about you write an article on these concepts?
            Yeqenyeley

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            I really don’t know why, but sometimes I feel you enjoy the suffering Eritreans going through today as pay back to our choice to be independent.

            I know you know the difference but it seems to me you want to rub it to us.

            We don’t to make comparison but you know the difference. Our country is suffering today not because it can’t stand on its own and as a fault of being independent but because it’s rules by a brutal dictator.

            We are not the first people to go through this suffering, though I hate to bring it up and use it as example, Ethiopia did went through that during HS and DERG (million of people), died, escaped, became refugees, and some even died of starvation because the DERG blocked food aid and HS hide it from the public.

            So I don’t know why you don’t understand this simple logic that tyranny is the same everywhere.

            It’s NOT like Eritreans are running away from they country because of no way to sustain a living, but escaping from a brutal dictator.

            And some have stayed and are fighting, some are doing from a distance and some are taking care of their basic needs.

            The good thing is, we are not willing to go the path of civil WAR, and this I think is something we are proud off.

            Once we get rid of the dictator regime, we will build our country and our economy in no time.

            Ethiopia has done it from a poster child of poverty and aiming to be a middle class country despite huge challenges, Uganda had done it, Rewanda has done it so I don’t see why NOT Eritrea wouldn’t do it,

            If you say, independence was NOT the only option, perhaps there would have been a way to resolve it. That may be fine, and all the leaders tried, they attended every peace efforts, be it by East Germany, ERITREAN Elders, declare unilateral ceasefire (when they saw hope), and willing to negotiate peace with the call of General Andom.

            But you really fail to blame the DERG who want nothing more than “to finish once and for all the Rebels”, Ande ena yemechersga.

            If you are honest you should see that part of history and at least make a reference.

            As to the recruitment in Addis that you keep talking about, I don’t know the facts but it’s a very insignificant factor. Eritreans in Ethiopia like most Ethiopians, they were isolated from the war fronts and they did not know what’s going on or they did not care to be part of the struggle.

            There was no body blowing up bombs in Addis, there was no body disturbing the peace, if they were agents of Arabs, wouldn’t you think, that would be their primary target, specially as you said they had the means.

            Berhe

          • Eyob Medhane

            Berhe,
            I am not in the business of defending Abi and I am certain that he can do that for himself very well. I acknowledge your right to ask him to tone it down a bit. However, the article that you have attached, which you have written in 2001 exactly reminded me why Abi feels the way he feels and why I many times share his views. The almost Godly glorification of a man that has been written in your article was the EXACT reason that has lend Isayas Afeworki a free hand to do what ever the hell he feels like. Including invading my country and bombing school children. And yet, fifteen years later in 2016 you are telling us that you don’t regret your assessment that you had of him in 2001? That is a shame, sir. You see, the Ethiopian “friend” of yours, that you discribed in your article hated Isayas, because he felt that he was the reason why he was separated from kin. He felt that he was the reason why his home was wrecked. No Ethiopian would have had a problem with Isayas, had his ambition was limited to fighting the Derg. Yet, the resentment the HATE the UNBELIEVABLE chauvinistic behavior that he inspired among Eritreans particularly the Kebesa is the reason why people that makes like Abi and I feel the way we feel about your “independence struggle” Re-read your article again. It is an article that is written just in couple of years after your golden boy invaded my country and bombed school children. Yet, your glowing glorification was not in the slightest bit reflected of a man capable of that kind of behavior, other than your recollection of chastising your “Ethiopian friend” for not likening your president. I don’t think it is realistic to expect us to be in anyway sympathetic to that man or any “struggle” he may have led from us…

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Eyob,

            No I think you need to read again. I said in 2001 and concluded that “how wrong I was” believing in him. You have the habit of jumping before reading, so this may be the same case:). If you only read the last sentence it was sarcastic message to the die hard PFDJ.

            “I guess the likes of Sophia will start chanting now, “Hade Hizbi, Hade Lebi, Hade Bandera and Hade Merahi….for Ever”.

            Berhe

          • Eyob Medhane

            Berhe,

            Why did you edit out the article that you linked, before?..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Eyob,

            No I haven’t edit it, it’s still there.

            Berhe

          • Olana

            Dear tes

            You said “Even now, many rebel groups are fighting to weed-out Woyane (your prime enemy) from power.” Can you name any place in Ethiopia in which there are rebels fighting the government at this time?
            You are also wrong to state 100% Eritreans were Ok with PFDJ. Read the exchange between T.T and KS about Mesfin Hagos and his group activities since Eritrean Independence.
            Thank you

          • tes

            Dear Olana,

            First of all, please differentiate between 100% and almost 100%. And second: when I say “OK”, it does not necessarily mean that they wholeheartedly supported it but took it as a governor by default. To repeat, “governor by default”. .

            On the rebel groups: I didn’t say “place in Ethiopia”. Rebel groups can reside either within Ethiopîa or outside. For example, Eritrea of PFDJ is currently hosting a number of Ethiopian rebel groups.

            Read therefore what I stated carefully.

            Hope I am clear now.

            tes

          • Olana

            Dear tes
            You are very clear. My apology for misreading you.
            Thank you

  • Tesfaldet abraha

    DEGIFOM ENTEALAHAYWAS ZELAMESILUWA DID YOU THINK THE FAILED OPPOSITION ARE EXIST YOU ARE JOKE

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Tesfaldet,
      who is that? to whom are you talking? It seems someone is making you nervous !

      • PTS

        Kokhob,
        Tesfaldet is another version of L.T. Enjoy it while it lasts.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear PTS,
          Is that ! I was wondering! okay, now I understand. በስመኣብ ወወልድ ወመንፈስ ቅዱስ ኣሃዱ ኣምላክ..እዝግዮ መሓረና -ኣሜን::

  • Tesfaldet abraha

    You must be an idiot don’t you see all the big powers are left you they are knoking ERITREA door so what court are you talking about DAM STUPID

  • cool

    Hi,
    Mesfin Hagos if innocent should disclose each and every piece of malice(if any?) which occured during and after independence struggle and if gulty he should ask the people of eritrea for mercy. which court is he waiting for?
    As i followed his interviews ,he always goes round and round to answer questions for example if he was asked “was A murdered?” he
    would respond by half an hour rhetorical bla bla until you forget what you have asked and at the end he would answer “B was not murdred” B??
    For a person who shifted from pfdj to the oppositon the reason as to why he would not disclose the malice ,could be because the malice may bear his handprints.

    cool

  • Kokhob Selam

    ዝኸበርክንን ዝኸበርኩምን :-

    እቲ ድምጺ ክስማዕ ኣዝዩ ባህርያዊ እዩ ነይሩ :: ንምንታይ ገለ ክሸፋፍኑ ይፍትኑ ነይሮም ብርግጽ ኣይርደንን እዩ :: እዚ ማዕበል ህዝቢ ይጀማምር እዩ ዘሎ እምበር ገና ብልክዕ ኣይተተኮሰን :: ነዚ ክትዓግት ምፍታን ተለኪምካ ምጥፋእን – ኣብ ጎሓፍ ታሪኽ ምድርባይን እንተዘይኮይኑ ንዝኾነ ወልቀ ስበ ወይ ፖሎቲካዊ ሰልፊ ዝጠቅም ኣይኮነን :: ስለዚ ነቶም ትም ኢሎም ክወራዘዩን ክፍተውን ቀልባዕባዕ ዝብሉን – ኣያታቶም ዝተጋገይዎ ካብ ምድጋም ድምጽና እንተሰምዑ ይሕሾም ይብል ::

    ኣቶ መስፍን ሓጎስ ንባዕሎም ‘ውን ድሮ ስለ ዝተረደኦም እዮም ኣብ ቅድሚ ህዝቢ ደው ብምባል ነቲ ናይ ሽቅሩርታ ዘመን ንምግጣም ዝፍትኑ ዘለው :: እቲ ድምጺ ዘስምዕ ሸነኽ ‘ውን ዝደልዮ ነዚ ጥራይ እዩ :: ነቲ ኣብ ሕጊ ክቀርብ ድልው እየ ዶ ካልእ ሃበስ ቀደስ ንግዚ ኣኡ ንጎኒ ገዲፍካ – ዝተሰመዖም ስቃይ ምንጽብራቑ እኹል እዩ :: ንባዕሉ ኣብ ውሽጢ እንከለው ኣብ 95 ዘርኣይዎ እምቢታ ናቱ ቦታን ክብሪ ኣለዎ ::

    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብሓፈሻ :- እቲ ብተግባር ነቲ ኣዝዩ ድሑር ቀታልን ቀንጻልን ዝመከተ ጀጋን ድማ ብፍላይ — ሓደግን ምቅሉልን እዩ :: እዚ ጥራይ ዘይኮነ ኣቶ መስፍን ኣብ ነዊሕ ናይ ገድሊ ዝመኖም ዘርኣይዎ ጀግንነት ርእሱ ዝኸ ኣለ ኣውንታዊ ስፍራ ከምዝነበሮምን: – እንተስ ብጸቢብ ውድባዊ ስሚዒቶም እንተስ ብዘይፍላጥ ዝፈጸምዎም ጌጋታት “ተጋጌ “ብምባል ጥራይ ናብ ሓዲሽ መድረኽ ዝጠልቦ ባይታ ቃልሲ ከምዘሰጋግሮም ኣጠራጣሪ ጉዳይ ኣይኮነን :: እቲ ምንታይ ሲ ኣብ መወዳእታ ሓፈሻዊ ሰፊሕ ባይታ ኣብ ትሕቲ ቁጽጽር ህዝቢ ዝኣተወ : – ንዳግማይ ጌጋ ዘየፍቅድ መካኒዝም ወይ ኣልያ ስለዘለዎ – ንናይ ጽባሕ ዝምድመድ ዶ ዝድብደብ ናይ ሃለውለው ዘረባ ውን ኣይከድልን እዩ :: ጽባሕ መን ኣሎ መን ሞተ ስለ ዘይንፈልጥን ብዓንደ ርእሱ ኣብ መስርሕ ዝተዓረየን ዝተወደአን ፍልልያት ከንቛሲ ስለ ዘይኮና ::

    ገና ግን ኣቶ መስፍን ነቲ ዘመናት ዝሓለፍዎ ተሞክሮ ብዘይሕብእ – ምብእ ክገልጹ ይግባእ :: ብተወሳኺ ነዚ ሕጂ ናብ ቦታ ክብረት ዝመርሖም ዘሎ ኣውራ ጎዳና ኣጸጽዮም ብምርዳእ ኣብ ቀጻሊ እቲ ህዝብና ድሮ ከቁሞ ዝደልዮ ዘሎ ሙሉእ ቁመና ዝውንን ንጹር ፖሎቲካዊ መስርሕን መዋቅርን ንኽህልዎም ዝኽእል ቦታ ውን ከምዝውስኖ ክፈልጡ ይግባእ ኣቶ መስፍን ሓጎስ ::

    እዚ ጉዳይ ንኣቶ ሸንገብ :- ኣቶ ኣሰፋውን :- ኣቶ ዓንደብርሃንን ኩሎም ንሕና ክንቃለስ ኢና ዝብሉን : – ንኹሉ ደላይ ፍትሕን ዝምልከት ኣገዳሲ ናይ ነቀፌታን ርእሰ – ነቀፌታን መስርሕ ኮይኑ ክቅጽልን ብዝለዓለ ድረጃ ክስረሓሎን ይግባእ :ዝብል መርገጽ እዩ ዘለኒ ከም ውልቀ ስብ ንዚ ድማ እየ ንውድበይን ንኹሎም ደቂ ሃገርን ክቃልሕ ዝጸናሕኩ ::

    ነቶም ትም ኢሎም ከም ወረጃታትን – ኣታዓረቅትን ክመስሉ ‘ሞ ንኹሉ ኣፍትዮም ቦታ ንምርካብ ሸብዳዕዳዕ ዝብሉን ግን – እቲ ዘመን ኣብቂዑን እዚ ዝዓይነቱ ኣካይዳ ኣሪጉን በሰቢሱን እዩ ከይበልኩዎም ክሓልፍ ኣይደልን ::

    • Abraham H.

      ሰላማት ኮኾብ ሰላም፥

      ብዛዕባ ዉድብካ ቡዙሕ ግዜ ኣብዚ ዓምዲ ዓዋተ ክትጽሕፍ ተዓዚበ። በል እስከ ካብዘን ብዓሰርተታት ዝቑጸራ ዉድባት ኣየነይተን ከም ዝኾነት ዉድብካ ምነገርካና ‘ዶ? ኣነ ብወገናይ ዉድብካ እንታይ ዓይነት ፕሮግራምን ዕላማታትን ከምዘለዋ ክፈልጥ ደስ ምበለኒ።

      • Kokhob Selam

        ክቡር ኣብራሃም :-

        እንተድኣ – ውድባይ – ዝብል ቃላት ተስተብህል ኔርካ ካብ ዝወስዶ መርገጻት ኣይናይ ውድብ ከምዝውክለኒ ክትዕዘብ ይግበኣካ ነይሩ:-

        ኣብ ዓበይቲ ጉዳያት ዘለኒ መርግጽ ብዘይጥርጥር ንውድበይ እሙን ዘይዕጸፍ መርገጽ እዩ ዘለኒ :: ገና ግን ምስ ብጾተይ ‘ውን ኣብ ልስሉስ ኣፍታትሓ ግርጭታት :- ኣብ ቅልጣፈ ኣሰጓግማን :- ትሪ መኸተን – ብዓቢኡ ውን ኣብ ከም ህግደፍ ዝፍጽምዎ ስርሒታትዓጸፋዊ መልሲ – ኮታ ኣብ ሜላ (tactics not principle – ነዚ ዝምልከት ኣብነታት ኣምጺአ ከዕልለካ እየ ) ዕጉብ የለኹን :: ኣንፈት ንምሃብ ኩለን ውድባት ካብ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ዝተወልዳ ክኾና እንከለዋ እታ እንኮ መስመር ሕጋውነት ተጠሊዕካ ክትሓታ እትኽእልን – ታሪኽ ተሓኤ ሕማቁን ጽቡቁን ዝተሰከመትን ውድብ እያ ውድባይ ::

        መሬት “ሕድ”ሪ መጹ ካብ ትብል እኳ ድሮ ቀንያ እያ:: ድሕነት በል ኣብርሃም ድሕነት :: — ነዚ ኣብ ሓደጋ ወዲቑ ዘሎ ሃገርነት ምስ ህዝቡ ንምድሓን ዝዓጠቐ እንኮ ውድብ :: ነቲ ኩናማ ዶ ደንከልያ ዝብል ሸነኽ ልቢ ኣተርኪሱ ናብ ሰላምን ሓድነትን መገዲ ዝጸርግ ሓይሊ :- ነቲ ናይ ውሽጥን ደገን ሸርሕታት ብድቂ ዝርእን ንኹሎም ስርሒታት ህግደፍ ምሰናይ ሰላዊ መሓውራቱ ዘልምስ ዘሎ ሓይሊ – ድሕነት ኢልካ መትከላቱ ተዓዘብን ኣንብብን ዝሓወይ :: ውድበይ ግን ናይ ኩሉ ኤርትራዊ ውድብ እያ – ኩሎም መደባት (class) ከለሳ- ሓሳብት ( ideologies) ዝካፈሉላ ውድብ :- ምስ ኩሎም ውድባት ዝተኣሳስር ነጥበ መቃለሲ እትውንን ውድብ :: መሰል ሃይማኖታት – ብሄራት – ወላ ውን ብውድባዊ ታሪኻዊ ጸገማት ኣርሒቆም ክጥምቱ ንዘይከኣሉ እትሓቁፍ :: ግን እዚ ምስባኽ ከይከውን ስርሒታት ድሕነት ባዕልኻ ብጽሓዮ ::

        እዚ ማለት ግን ጉድለታት የብላን ማለት ኣይኮነን ብዙሕ ዝስራሕ ስረሓት እዩ ዝጽበየና ዘሎ:: ሃየ ተፈደል::

        • Abraham H.

          ሰላማት ኮኾብ ሰላም፥

          የቐንለይ ንመልስኻን ግዜኻን፥ ከም ዝተረዳኣኒ፥ ድሕነት ካብ በልካ ኣባል ግንባር ሃገራዊ ድሕነት ኤርትራ ኢኻ ማለት ድዩ? ኣብ መርበብ ሓበሬታ እዛ ውድብ በጺሐ፥ ግን ዝኾነ ፕሮግራም ወይ ዕላማታት ውድብ ኣይረኣኹን።

          “ኣንፈት ንምሃብ ኩለን ውድባት ካብ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ዝተወልዳ ክኾና እንከለዋ እታ እንኮ መስመር ሕጋውነት ተጠሊዕካ ክትሓታ እትኽእልን ፡ ታሪኽ ተሓኤ ሕማቁን ጽቡቁን ዝተሰከመትን ውድብ እያ ውድባይ ”
          እዘን ኩለን ውድባት ካብ ተሓሔ ዝነቐላ ክንሰን ‘ሲ እንታይ ኮን ይኸውን ብሓንሳብ ከይሰርሓ ዝዕንቅጸን? ብቐንዱ ‘ኸ ንምንታይ ክንድ’ዚ ብዝሐን ውድባት ኣድለየ፥ ፍልልያተን ‘ከ ናይ ብሓቂ ክሳብ ክንደይ ዓቢ ስለዝኾነ ‘ዩ ክንድዚ ዝብዝሐን ውድባት ተወሊደን? እዚ ንዓይ ይኹን ንብዙሓት ኤርትራውያን ካብቲ ዝገርመና ‘ዩ። ካልእሲ ይትረፍ ኣንጻር ህግደፍ ብሓባር ንኸይቃለሳ እንታይ ኣሎ ዝዓግተን፥ ኣብዚ ሕጂ እዋን ሃገርን ህዝብን ከይሓዝካ ክንድዚ ዝኣክል ናይ ውድባት ትርጉም ዘይብሉ ምርባሕን ሓሸውየን ‘ከ ንምናይ ኣድለየ?

          ሓደ ካብቲ ቀንዲ ሮቓሒ ንፍሽለት ናይ ትቓውሞ እዚ ኣብ ላዕሊ ዝገለጽኩዎ ኢዩ። ትዕዝብቲ ናይ ህዝቢ ከኣ እዘን ብኣዝዮም ንኣሽቱ ጉዳያትን ዉልቃዊ ዘይምቅብባልን ትርጉም ኣልቦ ዉድድርን ኣብ መንጎ ግለሰባት ሓድሕድ ክናቖታ ዝውዕላ ዉድባት/ጉጅለታት፥ ብሓቂ ንዲሞክራስን ፍትሕን ዘይኮነስ ንስልጣን ጥራይ ዝቃለሳ ምኻነን ኢዩ። በዚ ኣገባብ ዚ ዝዕወት ቃልሲ ክህሉ ኣይክእልን።
          ንስለ ዕድመኻ የመስግነካ፥ እንተኾነ ግን ብወገነይ ኣባል ዝኾነ ውድብ ክኸውን ኣይደልን እየ፥ ዓቕመይ ዝፍቅዶ ግን ምስቶም ነዚ ትርጉም ኣልቦ ጸበብቲ ፍልልያት ንብጽባብን፥ ንኹሉ ደላይ ፍትሒ ኣብ ሓደ መኣዲ ቃልሲ ኣንጻር ባርነት ኢሳያስ ንምስማር ምስ ዝሰርሑ ወገናት ከበርክት ድሉው ኢየ።

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ኣብራሃም :-

            ብሓቂ ግን ብዙሓት ውድባት ድየን ዘለዋና ? ከም መሰል ውድብ እየ ንዝበል ኣይኮንካን ኣይበሃልን እዩ :: ግን ብተግባር ምስ ምሉእ መርሃ ግብር ዝንቀሳቀስ ውድብን ብሓደ ክልተ ሰብ ውድብ ኮይኑ ዝዛረብን ብዙሕ ፍልልይ ኣሎ :: ግንባር ሃገራዊ ድሕነት ኣብ ባይታ ዝሰርሑ ሓርበኛታትን ኣብ ኩሉ ክፍልታት ዝወናጨፉ ክኢላታትን ሒዙ – ናይ ርሑቅን ቀረባን ናይ ስራሕ ምደባቱ ዘዋደደን ዲሞክራስን ማእከልነትን ሚዛን ዝሓለወ ውሑሉል ውድብ እዩ :: እቲ ውድብ ንተሞክሮ ቃልስታት ተጋድሎና ግርም ዘጽነዐን ነቲ ዘየቛርጽ በታታኒ ስርሒታት ህግደፍ ኣብ ምምካት ድረዐ ዘልዎ ውድብ እዩ ::

            ብመሰረቱ እቲ ቀንዲ ጸገም ናይ ‘ዘን ውድባት – ኣብ ዘይጽኑዕ ዝረገጸ ብቀሊሉ ዝብላዕ ስርርዕ — ዘይተፈዋይነትን — ዋሕዲ ንቅሓትን ድኣ እምበር ስለዝበዘሓ ኣይኮነን:: ገለ ሞ ድማ ኸኣ ከይተፈለጠን መሳርሒ እቲ እከይ ስርዓት እየን ዝጓዓዛ :: ግን ኣብ ማዕዶ ዝዕዘብን ዘዕዘምዝምን ምብዝሑ ‘ውን ጎዳኢ ምዃኑ ብዘይቀልዓለም ክሕብረካ ፍቀደለይ :: እቲ ንስኻ ሒዝካዮ ዘለኻ ዕላማ ‘ውን እኮ ዕላማ ድሕነት እዩ:: እቲ ፍልልይ ኣባል ዘይምዃንካን ብመሰረት ዝወሃብ ተውዚዕ ( ክፍፍል ) ስራሕ ዘይምክያድካን እዩ :: ካብ “ሳዕሳዕካ ድማ ተቆጻጸ ” ጥራይ እየ ዝብለካ ::

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          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,
            It seems to me you are busy reading the program of Salvation. When you come back here I want to invite you this poem,

            . . . . .ደምበይ ደምበ ሓቂ .. . . .

            ደምበይ ደምበ ጀጋኑ :-
            . . . . . .ወጽዓ ዝኾነኑ :-
            . . . . . .ምስ ስውእ ዝወገኑ :-
            . . . . . .ኣብ ጸገም ዘይሰኣኑ :-
            ብዝጊ ዝመሓሉ እንከይበታተኑ ::

            ደምበይ ደምበ መትከል :-
            . . . . . .ዘይብሉ ሰንከልከል :-
            . . . . . .ሓሳባቶም ትኹል :-
            . . . . . .እናሓደረ ዝልዕል :-
            ጥርኑፋት ሰብ ማእከል ::

            ደምበይ ደምበ ማዕበልቲ :-
            . . . . . .ብንቅሓት ሰጎምቲ :-
            . . . . . .ጌጋታት ኣረምቲ :-
            . . . . . .ገምገምቲ መመይቲ :-
            ነዊሕ ዝጉዕዞኦም ድሕር ዘይበሃልቲ ::

            ደምበ ደምበ ዲሞክራሲ :-
            . . . . . .ዘይታለሉ ንኹርሲ :-
            . . . . . .ዕውታት ብቃልሲ :-
            . . . . . .ሰብ ሩህሩህ ከርሲ :-
            ፍጹም ዘይቅበሉ ሓፋሾም ዝሃሲ ::

            ደምበይ ደምበይ ደምበ ደቀባት :-
            . . . . . .ዝፍልጡ ሕግታታት :-
            . . . . . .ዘኽብሩ ባህልታት :-
            . . . . . .ክቡራት ዕዙዛት :-
            ስሮም ካብ ሃገረይ ደቂ ‘ዛ ሓላል መሬት ::

            ደምበይ ደምበ ሓቂ :-
            . . . . . .ጸረ ‘ቲ ሰራቒ :-
            . . . . . ጸረ ቲ ጨፍላቒ:-
            . . . . . ጸረ ቲ ሓናቒ :-
            ግርም ዝተሰርዐ ንሰላም ንዕርቂ ::

            ደምበይ ደምበ ጽንዓት :-
            . . . . . ዘይስንብድ ኣብ ውድቀት :-
            . . . . . ድልው ንመስዋእትነት :-
            . . . . . ሓርበኛ ‘ቲ ምዑት:-
            ንመሰል ዝቃለስ ብቀጻሊ ትብዓት ::

          • Abraham H.

            ሰላማት ኮኾብ ሰላም

            ርኢኻ በል ድሮ ከይተበገስኩ ተደናጊረ። ድሕነት ምስ በልካኒ ነታ ብ ግንባር ሃገራዊ ድሕነት ኤርትራ ዝብል ስም ትጽዋዕ ውድብ መሲሉኒ። እታ ዘለኻያ ውድብ ግን ግንባር ሃገራዊ ድሕነት ኤርትራ-ሕድሪ ትበሃል። ካልእ ‘ሲ ይትረፍ ኣስማተን ከማን ክፈላለ ኣይተኻእለን። ነቲ ፕሮግራም/ፖለቲካዊ መደብ ዕዮ ውድብካ ድማ ሕልፍ ሕልፍ ኢለ ርኤዮ፥ እንተኾነ ግን ፍሉይ ዝኾነ ዕላማ የብሉን፥ መብዛሕትኡ ደላይ ፍትሒ ዝሰማማዓሉ መደብ ኮይኑ ረኺበዮ። ካብዚ ብምብጋስ ከኣ ‘የ፥ ስለምንታይ ኣብ ደርዘናት ውድባት ምብትታን ኣድለየ፥ ነቲ ዘሎ ሓይሊ ሰብን፥ ዓቕምታትን ጸጋታትን ተኣኪቡ ስለምንታይ ብሓባር ዘይቃለስ ዝበልኩ።

            ከም ንጡፍ ተዋሳኢ ምዃንካ መጠን፥ ብሓቂ እቲ ናብ ንኣሽቱ ዘየድምዓ ጉጅለታት ዘምርሕ ዘሎ እንታይ ‘ዩ ጠንቁ? ርግጸኛ ‘የ ዳርጋ ኩለን እዘን ዉድባት ተመሳሳሊ ወይ ዳርጋ ሓደ ዓይነት ዕላማታትትን መርገጺታትን ‘ዩ ዘለወን።

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,
            it is a surprise, do you believe after you close the site and write this one there is one new massage that almost answers your question. it the best news you will hear it now.. it seems as if your question is directed and answered by miracle. here it is open again. it stars by saying መግለጺ 6 ውድባት!! ሕጂ’ውን ንሓባራዊ ጽላል ደንበ ተቃውሞ በርቲዕና ክንሰርሕ ኢና!! open and enjoy it and come back here.

          • Joe

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        • tes

          Dear Kokhob Selam,

          I hope, I hope your front is not working in the Habeshanisation of Eritrea by ignoring the diversity of Eritreans.

          tes

          • Lamek

            Selam tes, your wish has come true. KS’s ውድብ announced today that they are launching a joint effort with five other organizations, two of which are a Kunama organization and a Saho organization. I hope now you can rest easy. There really is not much difference between you and Gheteb.

          • Abi

            Hi PROFESSOR Tes
            It is not surprising to read this kind of comment from a self hating, Habesha bashing, blabbering village cadre. What is surprising is the deafening silence of the zombie Habeshas in this forum.
            You find them busy defending the Arabs .

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            You are correct, we really need to be deserve to be called Zombies.

            Tes,
            I think the Habesha is the primary victim of EPFL/PFDJ gangs. It’s true most of those PFDJ criminals are habesha but they have not spared the habesha from the crime they are perpetrating on their crime. It’s also true most of their supporter are also habesha in the Diaspora.

            But that’s not mean, the habesha is a primary beneficiary in the PFDJ incorporation. If you need an example:

            1) You can go to Ethiopia / Sudan/ Lybia and all the refugees and victims of the PFDJ regime.
            2) you need to go look at the last war list of dead and see the number of Habesha names that have died.
            3) You need to look at the list of Lampadusa victims and see the number of habesha victims.
            4) You can see the list of Sawa recruits, the number of victims in the prison, the number of family victimized….

            I am not saying other ethnic groups of Eritrea ARE NOT victims or LESS so, YES they ARE and they WERE even before the crimes spread to the habesha.

            So we have a monster system that’s killing and eating our young and there is no point we fight each other instead of fighting the monster.

            Berhe

          • tes

            Dear Berhe Y,

            I don’t know why you are going that far. I didn’t say “I hate habesha”. Are you just following Abi who has been continuously twisting my view? Please stop going that far.

            My understanding and principle of politics is that Eritrea is a land of Habesha and other people and hence is a country of diversity. What I am against is when Eritrea to be represented as land of Habesha people. Mind me here again, to be against and to hate are different things.

            For the last two or more, Abi has continuously blackmailed me and misrepresented me. After so many trials of correcting him, he couldn’t correct himself. Then I ignored him. The reason why I ignored Abi has two reasons.

            1. He is an Ethiopian and hence I have no business of interest to engage him seriously.

            2. His objective is not for rational discussion but for blackmailing.

            I am disappointed at you when you just follow his take and opinionated accordingly based on his childish accusation.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            Before Abi gets a swing at you, let me pull out my Amharic proverb “giraf”.
            .
            Keahiya gar yewaletch lam fes temra timeTalech.
            .
            You are hanging out with the wrong crowd, my friend. You said ” my understanding and principle of politics is that Eritrea is a land of Habesha and other people….”
            .
            Replace Eritrea with Ethiopia in your above statement and see how it sounds. Any difference?
            .
            BTW. What is this “blackmailing” you are talking about in this context?
            Lately, I have noticed you have been going a little too far with this Habeshanism thingy. Whether you like it or not you are Habesha. You look like one, you talk like one. You know what they say, if it quacks like duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck. All the world know us as Abyssinians our neighbors know us as such, with a little pinch, I might add.
            So take it easy, be kind to yourself.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Selam wedaje Kim
            Bichahin yemtaweraw min Gud geTemeh?
            Ere besmeAb bel!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Tes,

            I did not say, you said “I hate habesha”, I don’t know why you have to say that.

            But you said “I hope your party is not working in the habenizatuon of Eritrea and ignoring the diversity”.

            I don’t know who said Eritrea is only land of habesha and if someone said so then you should pick on that.

            I don’t know what the political party program you are referring, but what’s is wrong if any group or individual comes up with a party called Party of ERITREAN Habesha. As long as they do not do any harm or any wrong to the other what’s wrong with that. I never heard about such group but would you criminalize that, I am just giving you an extreme example.

            Does this imply that Eritrea is ONLY a land of habesha. Most people ignore this type of argument because it’s useless and it doesn’t make the nation strong, but that does not mean people have to erase their identity to prove that they are Eritreans.

            Berhe

          • tes

            Dear Berhe Y,

            You saying “what’s is wrong if any group or individual comes up with a party called Party of ERITREAN Habesha.”

            My friend, there is no wrong with this but I will find it to be more fascistic and a potential for racial conflicts. I won’t condemn such parties but for sure I will be a principal opponent party member. My party will definitely be a party that appreciates Eritrean diversity. For this I can imagine the hard debate and arguments that I will have with those who promote Eritrean Habeshanism.

            tes

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Tes,

            I will be with you supporting and opposing such group, because it will not bring a lasting peace for the unity and stability of Eritrea. So the point I want to make is, habesha will fight if there is such tendency or plan to habeshanization Eritrea as you call it.

            But I am glad and I know you know that, there is such NO such project, the habesha people are equally victims of past and current regime.

            What I am arguing is, it’s not right for people to incriminate the habesha, the crimes of Isayas Afeworki and company just because they happen to be the same. Or people are forced to abandon their identity because habesha people of Eritrea are related to those habesha people of Ethiopia.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe,
            my friend tes asked if salvation are working for Habeshanism. I ignore it for reasons, the best reason is that he is suppose to read the program of salvation and the practical work on the ground. And besides I don’t know really what Habeshanism he is talking about- like does he mean Ethiopianism for example? or what, like Eritrean highlanders, etc. I thought of waiting for some time. What is Habeshanim? why even put this type of confusion when we are talking about national problems.

            Thanks God that PFDJ is not representing any of our sectors.

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Rest assured that my objective was to provoke you. As we know, we, both, have unresolved issue on “habeshanism”. It seem that you have moved higher (to human rights) at this time. In regard to your front, not an issue. It is just more specific to your previous stand.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            YG, The Great Habesha Philosopher, has an interesting article on this topic.
            The self distraction of Habesha is in full swing. Again, you try to blame PIA. No Sir. I blame the former urban mass mobilization experts who greatly contributed for this distraction. You see, the Habeshas were minding their business until the mass mobilizers showed up in their homes, businesses, churches, garages telling them they are unique, better, modern,…
            In short, they tricked them to their demise.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Abi,

            You are doing great, and I honestly believe you will do even greater if you consider the following:

            It is evident that you have locked on Amanuel Hidrat as your poster-boy to blame Eritreans who were recruiting for the liberation struggle. I think you have to realize that all Eritreans, except a negligible minority, were fighting the feudal regime of Haile Sellassie, followed by the bloody Derg regime, with determination. I am sure you know that many Ethiopians, in fact all the downtrodden, excluding the ruling class and their lackeys, sympathized with the Eritrean struggle. As an Eritrean, I am proud of our national struggle and I am sure the overwhelming freedom loving Eritreans and Ethiopians share my sentiments.

            Dear Abi, your continuous belittling of our struggle, our self-determination, is in bad taste and offensive. You come as a person who would want us to apologize for pursuing a struggle for freedom and self determination. That is not objective at all.

            A reasonable person would normally be expected to sympathize with Eritreans who were robbed of their freedom, not gloat over their misfortune and bad luck. Our sorry situation under the brutal PFDJ regime of Isaias Afwerki is just like the bad luck of Ethiopians under feudal lords, for centuries. And still, the countries of our region are in transition towards prosperity and stability… and freedom of the CITIZEN. Therefore, please realize that the status of the citizens of the Horn of Africa is almost the same, only marginally different–not too much to boat about. And we can serve our region better if we just respect each other and stop wanton provocations. I say this knowing too well the behavior of the opportunists and the warmongers on our side of the border, as well as on your side of the border. But it is sad that both forces of disarray and chaos seem to embolden each other. Abi dear, please keep away from that club.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Let me be honest here
            I do not want you to apologize for your struggle for freedom. If you must, apologies should be directed towards all Eritreans and Ethiopians who have been affected by your unnecessary and wrong decision to fight the Arab’s war.
            What is sad is you still denying what your struggle brought is only misery and endless number of refugees. And you Ato Saleh , whom I respect immensely ( as a person not as a freedom fighter) blame it on luck. Why after 25 years of independence Eritreans suffering is worsening each passing day? It is not by luck. It is by design. Your so called independence struggle did not have Eritreans at heart. It was an outsourced war of the barbaric Arabs . Eritreans are openly saying the brutal derg was much better.
            I’m mad as hell because my people suffered for decades because YOU volunteered to be the right hand of the stupid Arabs and killed millions on both sides in the process. There is absolutely nothing to be proud about it.
            Regarding Amanuel H the mass recruiting specialist, he affected my life tremendously.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            You got someone who wants to be nice with you, right? Saleh’s response to you is a sign of his current “to be cool at all costs attitude”. You don’t deserve it. You better need to be ignored as a useless coward warmonger and feudal lords lover.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            Good to see you back. I thought you were dead. Sometimes I get confused who I am talking to ? Is this Tes or tes ? Or Tussss?
            Anyway, you can’t call me and ignore me at the same time unless you are drunk. Choose one before 8:00pm Paris time. Looks like you started early today. Drink up!
            Fesam!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Whose agents were Aboy Sibhat, Melles,TPLF and company, when they did exactly the same thing?

            As to why Eritreans are suffering after 25 years of independence, it’s because we are under dictator Isayas and has nothing to do being independent or not. Same as Ethiopians suffered in millions under the dictator ship of Mengistu.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            Nice try! Meles was smart enough to use you and dumped you at the right time knowing he can’t work with you.
            Just like the barbaric Arabs used and dumped you.
            It is like use and throw paper cup at the mall.
            Meles achieved something for his people. There are at least 5 accredited universities in Tigry region. I was in Addis when he died. I witnessed history I never expected to happen.
            Look, Mengistu grabbed the opportunity in the mid 1970s. We did not know him before. Whereas, IA was groomed for the position for 30 years. Recruited by mass mobilization experts in Addis , trained in Sahil, China and other places… Long story short, you collectively made IA who he is now. He did not become a dictator in 1991.
            BTW, Meles was generous enough to open multiple refugee camps along with the universities. He never forgot the people who helped him in his struggle. RIP.

          • Haile WM

            Hi Abi gerageru,

            min new yihe zeraf zeraf ? in the middle of weekday ? Don’t you learn you Esepa boy ? how many times do I have to lecture you China is not an Arab country ? how many times do I have to remind your Esepa was actually helped by many Arabs including “Mohamed Qetafi ye Lebaw Meri” *. Your narrative is becoming boring and you keep repeating it, as if you want to convince yourself more than others.
            melles also robbed the same people that helped him to get in power. You celebrating the fact that refugees are coming to ethiopia is quite moving, well my friend, you shouldn’t be over-joying their sufferings, especially when your people are facing the dilemma somewhere in Saudi Libya etc… (i know i Know those damn arabs…)
            Just relax now
            your daily dose of hate against the monsters is consumed. next time Somalis please 🙂

            *that was the pronunciation of Mohamed Qezafi of Libia

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Am I suggesting Melles was bad and IA was good. But you like to twist the fact, when it comes to Eritrean independence struggle.

            IA could have been a great leader and a great statesman. But it’s not to be.

            I am sure things has changed a lot but not my assessment of IA. You can see the article I wrote back in 2001.

            https://web.archive.org/web/20020521200530/http://news.asmarino.com/Comments/November2001/BerheYeman_11_09.asp

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y,
            .
            I wish I could write well, I would have touched upon a lot of areas. It is like wanting to sing without a good voice. It would end up being irritating.
            .
            I read your brilliant attached article and going by the date it was written on, I could not find any fault with it.
            Those early days were days of building a nation and a leader. Your Ethiopian’s friend sentiment of that time was mine too. I believed then and I believe now, we could have been a contender, we could have been somebody, as Marlon Brando said in one of his movies. Yes, we could have been a force to reckon with, instead of ending up as two insecure nations at each others throats for good measure.
            .
            Now, coming to today why do you and others are wagging your fingers at Abi, for telling the naked truth. His emphasis is as to who benefited from this historical blunder, he found his answer. My emphasis is on all the thinking Eritreans who purposely contributed to this project.
            It seems to me everybody want all the good results attributed to them and all the negative consequences to others or to PIA.
            President IA was great when he was young and bad when he got older and mature with experience. That is what every opposition folk is saying in a nutshell.
            .
            Perhaps nobody is to blame but circumstances. Perhaps the President has to work with what he has in front of him. Perhaps, everyone who contributed their share bear the responsibility according to the weight and degree of contributions.
            .
            Y.G to his credit accepted his responsibility and atoned. I posted in response to somebody once here at Awate using the starting of a new “Business” as an analogy.
            When people get together and start a company to do business by investing their life savings, it is exciting to open doors and be your own boss. Fair enough.
            But, understand and accept the result of the business operation is what determines whether you did good or bad.
            .
            As I have said before, when TPLF and Co. came to Addis, I was distraught and suspicious of their intentions. It took time for me to warm up to them. What they did was surprising to me.
            To use the same analogy of “Business”, they painted the building and opened the operation under new management. Mind you the time line of both businesses were identical.
            In my book they became a good successful operators.
            I embraced them so much so that my distant family members and one Awatista called me Woyane. I didn’t mind it, because I see the results are good. There are still unresolved problems to be sure. I hope they are flexible enough to learn from experience and adjust whatever needs adjustments to continue on the journey. Their is no doubt that the current management is still better than what we ever had.
            .
            A good exit line. When PM Meles died, people, I mean poor people (the majority) cried their hearts out as if a family member passed away. That did not happen in Mekele only, it was people from Gonder to Jijjiga, from Jimma to Dire Dawa and all the places in between to express their grief, loss and love. That is where I take my cue.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Dear K.H.

            I hope to respond to you in detail, time permits. My point of argument with Abi, is not weather that I said Isayas was good or Melles or bad. I never said anything about them and never did I compare them. Actually there was an article that I wrote back in 2003 or 04 and if I find it I will share about the whole “weyane/melles” and how I felt about them. I also think Melles did a lot good for the Ethiopian people and in his capacity, he did his best to reverse things / ill that happened to the war. There isn’t any Eritrean that do NOT support Isayas, who didn’t sympathize with Melles early death, except those still die hard supporters of IA like Nitricc.

            What I was defending is the Eritrean leaders of independent for struggle of freedom and self determination. I asked him if he is going to challenge their call up arms, as “agents of arabs” and he put it, what would he call the call up of arms of Melles and Aboy Sibhat. How is that any different as far as war goes. That’s the point I was making…

            And he purposely ignores and never seem to take any responsibility for the Ethiopian leaders who were bombing and oppressing the Eritrean people. Sure we could have been better together, but what about the mistakes that were taken by the successive Ethiopian regime to push the Eritrean people to their limit and made them refugees.

            Is there any Ethiopian elite who condemned that action by the Ethiopian military power. I really like to know if there exist any one who said “it’s wrong what we are doing”, let’s give peace a chance and let’s try to work out the differences?

            All they said was “Eritrea le Arab tisheTalech”, Wenbedo, dildiy afrash etc..

            that’s what I think I was trying to make a point..but no lack.

            Berhe

          • ወቸጉድ

            Dear Mr K.H.

            Please don’t lie. It’s unbecoming. people were being paid money to go out and cry when Meles died. Others were threatened to do so. Quite ironic that you are named Mr Kim as this was exactly what the North Koreans were doing when Mr. Kim died.

            I am also with the Eritreans about Abi. Regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not, it is very rude to invite oneself to a neighbors house and proceed to say unkind or insulting things. Y’all just tone it down. They’re suffering already as it is,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam WetcheGud,
            .
            Wetche Gud, indeed.
            .
            Now, I request you substantiate your claim about the payments. Otherwise I will consider it a childish lie.
            To help you address the issue and not wonder around, please respond to the items below.
            .
            A. Which department of the Gov. made the payments, and how much to each individual?
            .
            B. How many millions or billions was spent?
            .
            C. Did the U.S contribute to this fund?
            .
            D. Did the U.S congress debate this authorization in secret?
            .
            E. Was there any second dipping by the weepers?
            .
            F. What kind of super natural organization, in your research, pulled off this operation?
            .
            I could add more, I know other questions would pop up to me right after I post this.
            In any case, unless I see a response item by item, I have no interest in discussion of Abbysinicus and planet illogic.
            .
            Peace out.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Nitricc

            K.H hahahahahah you are a funny man. what do you want Woche-gud to present? a written statistical data? lol you are losing your tooth along side with your credibility. a government judge by its action and the response it shows to the people’s concern. for instance; when your dead midget killed six Eritreans at the border; Eritrea rolled its tanks to confront you head on. yet, when the Sudanese slaughter 200 Ethiopians; your beloved government is having whisky in Addis. I Know you think TPLF has done miracles in developing the country; ( correction) I say developing the city of Addis Abeba and yet, development is not measured by how many people you made millioners but by how many millions of people you take out of poverty. I know what i am saying is not understood by an African mentality.

          • Peace!

            Hi Nitric,

            Probably signed receipts and valid contracts, what else could be? What’s even more ironic is that few days ago over 400 hundered Ethiopians drowned trying to reach Europe, and the Ethiopian state media has been dead MUTE, non whatsoever as if they are not Ethiopins. And here we have Kim Hanna, Abi and likes are itemizing our suffering. By the way it is true when Meles died, the government dispatched payed Alqasoch into the streets of Addis and othe major cities. It is ethiopian culture to hire alqash to mourn loved one, but to request a receipt and payer information to deny fact is really funny.

            Peace!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I thought you were aspiring to be fair and balanced. You claimed you stand for the truth. Maybe you might be too busy at the moment.
            All I am asking at the very least is some testimonials from a dozen or so ALKASHOTCH out of the millions that were paid and how much. You can chose ALKASHOTCH that are outside of the country, if you prefer. (not the ones in Eritrea of course)
            .
            You may or may not know this, in Ethiopia, there are professional “ASLEKASHOTCH” hired to tug tears out of distant cousins and second cousins at funerals. That is not what we are talking about here. This is a humongous hutzpah to convince you that what you saw is not what you saw. There has to be a limit, even for hutzpah, don’t you think?
            .
            If you believe what Wetchegud is saying as truth, I really I have to consult with that `Gheteb guy for advice and explanation, because this phenomena, is way above my pay grade.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • ወቸጉድ

            Ato Kim,
            Yeah, really, it was more for the benefit of the forum participants that I called you out. I have no interest in convincing a died in the wool Meles worshiper to give up his religion. LIke Geteb the xxxx, you keep talking about planet illogic and Abbysinicus ዝባዝንኬ when you don’t have an argument.

          • Solomon

            ሰላም ወቸጉድ

            ውሸት እየተናገሩ ሰውን ውሸታም ማለት አይከብድም? ይሄ ሁሉ ህዝብ ሃዘኑን በአደባባይ

            ሲገልጽ የነበረው ተከፍሎት ነው ማለት ህዝብን መሳደብ አይመስልህም? ይልቅ በድፍረት

            ሰውን ከመሳደብ ያዘኑ እንደነበረ ሁሉ የተደሰትንም ነበርን ብትል ይሻልሀል፡፡

          • ወቸጉድ

            ጤና ይስጥልኝ አቶ ሰለሞን

            የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ጨዋ ነው። በሰው ሞት አይደሰትም። ያ ማለት ግን ሃዘን ይዞት አለቀሰ ማለት አይደለም። ገንዝብ ይከፈል እንደነበረ ምንም ጥርጥር የለም። ሰው ሱቁን እንዲዘጋ እንደታዘዘ ሁላችንም የምናውቀው ነው።

            ለነገሩ የወያኔ ደጋፊዎችማ አሁንም ድረስ ያለቅሳሉ። ነገር ግን ያ ሁሉ ሰው የወያኔ ደጋፊ ነው ማለት ደግሞ ሰዉን መናቅ ነው። ለነገሩ ፓርላማውንም መቶ በመቶ አሸንፈናል ትላለች ወያኔ። ውስጡን ለቄስ ነው እባክህ። ስንተዋውቅ አንተናንቅ።

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Wochegud,
            What is so unique about ‘ye Ethiopia hizb?’ that made you to unequivocally vouch for its decency ? Do you have any metrics you are privy to that you would like to share with us , that scores it high on a scale of societal decency ?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Yoty Topy,
            .
            You are doing your level best to LEMASTAREQ us, aren’t you?
            .
            “……vouch for its decency?”
            .
            You see, I look deep inside and declare WE are decent people, no metrics necessary. The WE in this case is not the Royal we. The We includes you too, sooooooo be careful. It is a complicated world.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Kim,

            I wish that was my intention. But not:) I was just taking him to task about the statement he made, which I frequently hear our people talk about.i.e we are this , we are that . We, ,like any other persons on earth , are made up of 23 chromosomes so all that ‘we are chewa people ‘ is just nothing but a feel good statement.

          • ወቸጉድ

            Hi Yoty Topy,

            If we are not ጨዋ then we are xxx። I invite you to show us how the Ethiopian people are xxxx።

          • Dear Y.T.,

            Hizb (ህዝብ, people, citizens) as a whole are inherently decent, and they are all unique in their own special way. This includes the people of Ethiopia, Eritrea, and all peoples of the world. This is a universally accepted fact, and requires no proof and no measuring stick. I think that nobody said that Ethiopians are at the top of the decency scale. On the contrary, individuals, wherever they may come from, could be indecent; and as K.H. said, one must be exceptionally careful, when one speaks of people as a whole.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Horizon,

            You are right,whether human beings are good by nature or inherently selfish beings is very much up for debate. Though if history is to be a judge, I am not sure how we can confidently defend the former statement-beats me! Just look at the Crusades, Inquisition, WWI(I), Hiroshima, Terrorism ,and in our backyard, Red Terror, Apartheid, Darfur and the list goes on.

            But, he did not say people in general are good as you pointed out. He said; ‘የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ጨዋ ነው.’

            My take is that, we are no less better or worse than any other human beings and if that is the case then that statement is redundant.

          • Dear Y.T.,

            May be our difference lies on the way we understand the word Hizb (ህዝብ, people, citizens) in this situation. May be we see the word differently. I see the whole social group, and I am not sure if you are seeing the individual.

            As one of the building blocks of the human society on this planet earth, Ethiopians as people, like any other people are good and decent, and they are no different from others. Human beings as individuals and as a social group do not behave the same way. Their collective character, conduct, manners etc is not the same with that of the individual human being. Human beings survived because they are social animals. Otherwise, they would have disappeared.

            The crusaders, the inquisition, WWII, Hiroshima, the Red Terror and the so many crimes committed against humanity is not the result of the collective decision of society (people) as a whole or the mass, but the decision of few extremely selfish individuals who love power, money and fame, and they were emperors, popes, dictators etc.

            Therefore, the collective nature of people (human beings) as a whole is good.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Horizon,
            You got that right bro. I am of the opinion that , man is a ROTTEN creature by nature. Show me any action by human beings done without the slightest ulterior motives, and I will show you a world of honey and milk. But I very much respect where you are coming from as well and I sincerely believe there is an equally convincing case to be made for the things you believe. So, how about we agree to agree:)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Yoty Topy,

            Although Horizon’s reply below is the best, I have a selfish one for you.

            “To Dionysius ‘Periegetes’ the Ethiopians were godlike and blameless…The Ethiopians, according to Stobaeus, practice piety and justice; their houses are without doors and no one steals the many things left in the streets.”

            Frank M. Snowden, Jr., “Blacks in antiquity,” 1970, P. 148

            How decent do you want us to be?

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Fanti,
            First of all, let me say that it is not a good omen to be on the opposite side of Fanti’s opinion 🙂 If you are not in agreement with me then everything I stood for is put to doubt:)
            As to your quotation brother, Ethiopians “Godlike?’ , houses without doors? Not sure who the author is but give the carbon dating the source, 1970, it seems this was around the time King was giving out land to the Rastafarians? This person must have just smoked his first blunt from his farm in Shashamane:) Cuz’ our Attir was supported not only by one zenezena but also double bolted by a second one.:)
            But, on a serious note, that description could be to any villages anywhere in Africa.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Yoty Topy,

            I am guilty-ed now!

            The actual writing is in the 60-50 BCs by Diodorus actually. The 1970 was a reference to when Mr. Snowden wrote his book.

            That and similar praises for the ancient Ethiopians goes on and on including how the gods usually stopped by Ethiopia for a chitchat with the Kings before going on their businesses. It is an amazing responsibility and praise to live up to.

            About the location: there are lots of “mapping issues” with many old writtings, but Homer, Diodorus, and Herodotus seems to generally know where Ethiopia is. They identified most of the North and North West Africa as Libya in those days, but anything south of Egypt was Ethiopia to them and many others. Homer is very close but Herodotus, knew exactly where Ethiopia is. He travelled as far south as the Aswan in Egypt and referred to Ethiopia as just south of there.

            I strongly believe that people in our region and the whole Africa may have been very decent in the past. Let me take that back. People of our region are still very decent. However, around the 1240s, we gave birth to politicians and everything started to change. There are several historical references that praise the ancient Ethiopians for their justness. Which brings us to what Horizon said about people being generally “good.”

            What can I say YT; expand your visual imagery of Ethiopia, do some time travel, and it should all make sense.

          • ወቸጉድ

            Hi Yoty Topy,

            I did not claim that ‘ye Ethiopia hizb’ is unique so I cannot give you a list of unique things. But I can vouch for its decency because I am part of it and have seen it deal with tragedy with grace that i have yet to see in other places. I’ll give you two examples.

            1. When the Ethiopian army was disbanded in 1991, there was virtually no government for a period of time. The society did not descend into chaos. There were soldiers who were fully armed who could have taken whatever they wanted with force of arms. And yet, they did not loot or pillage. They were asking for food politely and the people were decent enough to give them for free.

            2. When there is food shortage other places, you know riot breaks out and there is violence. The Ethiopian people are descent enough even in times of drought and famine, they line up and share whatever little they have.

            I will tell you what the Ethiopian people have. They have ፈሪሃ እግዚአብሔር።

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Wochegud,
            These are valid points but are they really indicators of how ‘Ye Ethiopia hizib is Chewa’ any more than , say; Kenyans of Namibians? Or, are they a function of long tradition of very hierarchical and authoritarian system of governance that had dominion over them centuries? Whether it is the church, the monarchy or the communist, they have had a very intrusive reach into peoples’ lives. This in return makes them think twice before the take any action that contravenes authority whether it is there or not.But, you might ask; ‘So what is it so bad about that if it helps us being ‘chewa?’ I will tell you why. First, the term itself as innocent sounding it seems is actually loaded and discriminatory . What is the opposite of ‘Chewa?’ ‘Baria!’ Aydel? and who is Baria? May be non-Christian? may be someone with slightly darker skin tone? Someone who is not Tigre or Amara? I also say it is loaded because such statements and slogans including, ” An’d Ethiopia, Be’biher Yaltekefafelch’ have been used to whip up national sentiments in order to drag our people into endless conflicts.
            The larger and more important issue is that statements such as this discourage individual thinking. It encourages group-thinking. It prevents us from individually questioning the merit of decisions that our leaders take because we are conditioned to blind fully accept such ‘feel good’ statements. While the issues your raised are good things but we also seem to be oblivious of some of the darkest chapters in our history. What about the fact that we and few other Arab African countries are the only countries that we have the word ‘Africans’ for ‘Africans?’ Do you think that would qualifies us decent people?
            I think we will take pros and the cons of our attributes but one thing for sure is that we are no less or more decent than any other people.
            The lesson form

          • A.Osman

            Dear Wechegud,

            Something I never forget is when princess Diana died. Just weeks before I remember how hated she was and presented in bad light in some news media. The 180 degree switch after her death was amazing. I saw some women who knew little about her weep once BBC started to bombard us with non stop coverage and made an angel out of her.

            Good tv coverage with some Asleqasit in action would have created the needed mood for mass mourning.

            That said Melles was good to Ethiopia as a whole compared to those who preceeded him. ..for that you need to give him credit.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Solomon

            ሰላም ወቸጉድ

            ስለ ኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ጨዋነት መች አወራን፡፡ ያወራነው ስለአንተ አንድ ግለሰብ ነው፡፡ ይልቁንስ
            አንተ ነህ የኢትዮጵያን ህዝብ እየሰደብክ ያለሀው፡፡ ያ ሁሉ ህዝብ በግልጽ በአደባባይም በቤቱም ሀዘኑን የገለጸው ተከፍሎት ነው እያልክ ነው፡፡ ምኑን ጨዋ ሆነው ታድያ በክፍያ እንዲህ ካለቀሰ፡፡

            “ገንዝብ ይከፈል እንደነበረ ምንም ጥርጥር የለም። ሰው ሱቁን እንዲዘጋ እንደታዘዘ ሁላችንም የምናውቀው ነው።” ለዚህ ማስረጃ ማቅረብ እንደማትችል አውቃለሁ ውሸት ስለሆነ፡፡ ነገር ግን በወቅቱ አ/አ የነበረ ሰው ይታዘብሀል፡፡ መንግስት እንኳን የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ እንዲህ ያዝናል ብሎ የጠበቀ አይመስለኝም፡፡ እንደው ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የምትኖር ከሆነ መንግስት በአጭር ጊዜ እንዲህ አይነት ቅንብር ሊሰራ ይችላል ብለህ ታስባለህ? የመንግስት አካላት እንዲህ መስራት የሚችሉ በሆን ኖሮ ስንት የተበላሹ ነገሮች በተስተካከሉ
            ነበር፡፡

            በመጨረሻ ማንም ሰው የመሰለውን አስተያየቱን ስለሰጠ ለምን የወያኔ ደጋፊ ነው ትላለህ፡፡ አሁን አንተ ይህንን አስተያየት ስለሰጠህ ምን ለበልህ ደርግ; ኢሰፓ; ቅንጅት; ኦነግ; ግንቦት ሰባት; ሻዕብያ; ምናምን ጨምርበት፡፡

          • Solomon

            ሰላም ወቸጉድ

            ወቸጉድ! ስለ ኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ጨዋነት መች አወራን፡፡ ያወራነው ስለአንተ አንድ ግለሰብ ነው፡፡ ይልቁንስ
            አንተ ነህ የኢትዮጵያን ህዝብ እየሰደብክ ያለሀው፡፡ ያ ሁሉ ህዝብ በግልጽ በአደባባይም በቤቱም ሀዘኑን የገለጸው ተከፍሎት ነው እያልክ ነው፡፡ ምኑን ጨዋ ሆነው ታድያ በክፍያ እንዲህ ካለቀሰ፡፡

            “ገንዝብ ይከፈል እንደነበረ ምንም ጥርጥር የለም። ሰው ሱቁን እንዲዘጋ እንደታዘዘ ሁላችንም የምናውቀው ነው።” ለዚህ ማስረጃ ማቅረብ እንደማትችል አውቃለሁ ውሸት ስለሆነ፡፡ ነገር ግን በወቅቱ አ/አ የነበረ ሰው ይታዘብሀል፡፡ መንግስት እንኳን የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ እንዲህ ያዝናል ብሎ የጠበቀ አይመስለኝም፡፡ እንደው ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የምትኖር ከሆነ መንግስት በአጭር ጊዜ እንዲህ አይነት ቅንብር ሊሰራ ይችላል ብለህ ታስባለህ? የመንግስት አካላት እንዲህ መስራት የሚችሉ በሆን ኖሮ ስንት የተበላሹ ነገሮች በተስተካከሉ
            ነበር፡፡

            በመጨረሻም ማንም ሰው የመሰለውን አስተያየቱን ስለሰጠ ለምን የወያኔ ደጋፊ ነው ትላለህ፡፡ አሁን አንተ ይህንን አስተያየት ስለሰጠህ ምን ለበልህ: ደርግ; ኢሰፓ; ቅንጅት; ኦነግ; ግንቦት ሰባት; ሻዕብያ; ምናምን ጨምርበት፡፡

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Solomon,
            .
            Thanks for the support. I was not a supporter of Meles at the beginning of his Presidential career. Time and results changed me.
            I have a dear good friend, childhood friend in fact, who believes exactly like Wetchegud does. We don’t talk about this topic and other topics like the Dam.
            .
            It is my belief, their deep dislike of Meles emanates from the policy actions he took early on and at least in my friend’s case he could never accept any positive remark about Meles, period.
            .
            I still call my friend a close friend and enjoy our visits but we stopped the annoying topics all together. It is unfortunate but that is the way it is.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Solomon

            Selam Mr. K.H.

            እኔም እንዳንተው ነኝ መለስን በተመለከተ፡፡ ከበረሃ እንደገቡ በተለይ ኤርትራን በተመለከ የወሰዳቸው እርምጃዎችና በአጠቃላይ ስለኢትዮጵያ ታሪክና ባንዲራ በሚድያ የተናገራቸው ነገሮች ብዙ ጠላት ነበር ያፈሩለት እኔን ጨምሮ፡፡

            አሁን ሆነህ ስታየው ግን የሰራቸውና የተናገራቸው ነገሮች ትክክል እና ብዙም የሚያስከፉ አልነበሩም፡፡
            የሰራቸው ስራዎች አሁን ሲታዩ ደግሞ አመለካከቴን እንድቀይር አድርገዉኛል፡፡ ብዙ የመለስ ጠላቶች ግን እዛው በ83 ዓ/ም ተቸክለው የቀሩ ይመስሉኛል፡፡ ከጥላቻቸው ብዛት በገሀድ የሚታ አንዳንድ በጎ ነገሮች እንኳን ማየት አልቻሉም ወይም አይፈልጉም፡፡

            ሰለሞን

          • Solomon

            Selam Mr. K.H.

            እኔም እንዳንተው ነኝ መለስን በተመለከተ፡፡ ከበረሃ እንደገቡ በተለይ ኤርትራን በተመለከተ የወሰዳቸው እርምጃዎችና በአጠቃላይ ስለኢትዮጵያ ታሪክና ባንዲራ በሚድያ የተናገራቸው ነገሮች ብዙ ጠላት ነበር ያፈሩለት እኔን ጨምሮ፡፡

            ሆኖም አሁን ሆነህ ስታየው ግን የሰራቸውና የተናገራቸው ነገሮች ትክክል እና ብዙም የሚያስከፉ አልነበሩም፡፡
            የሰራቸው ስራዎች አሁን ሳያቸው ደግሞ አመለካከቴን እንድቀይር አድርገዉኛል፡፡ ብዙ የመለስ ጠላቶች ግን እዛው በ83 ዓ/ም ተቸክለው የቀሩ ይመስሉኛል፡፡ ከጥላቻቸው ብዛት በገሀድ የሚታዩ አንዳንድ በጎ ነገሮች እንኳን ማየት አልቻሉም ወይም አይፈልጉም፡፡

            ሰለሞን

          • Joe

            Hi ! the struggle of Eritrean for freedom mainly caused by a childish decision made by the emperor Hilselase of Ethiopia to end the confederation. it violated the UN charter and suppressed all Eritrean rights as well. You cannot deny the heavy price they paid to gain their independence back after long periods struggle in Africa. but the main problem was emerged when Afeworki took a power and people started supporting him cheerfully with no doubt ,whatever he spoke or wherever he went the whole nation was admired him above he deserved.these situations made clear the way for Afeworki absolute dictatorship.soon he started ruining his country by hunting down every single person that can be possible threat for his brutal regime. now this guy run the whole country as he wants with no constitutional rights. that is true derge much more better than the current junta.let us hope that the two nations live peacefully side by side in near future.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Joe,
            .
            Your first line is similar to a tactic of what defense lawyers use to get their criminal client off. The U.N and the federation etc. is a minor technicality brought up in polite company to justify and give it a good looking foundation. Our problems started way before that, my friend. I recommend you read “Yertra Guday” by Zwde Reta. A definitive account with all the backing documentations.
            .
            Getting to your last sentence, I could not agree more. I hope it will all be based on truth and reality.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Joe

            Hi! Kim..Kim . I don’t know how to explain it but let me say this , I am not interested in reading one sided politically motivated history.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Abi “the Avenger of the crown”

            I do not intend to tread this endless path that you have embarked on a while ago. But I will like to say something before I leave this thread of “Bash Eritreans” that you are infatuated with.

            Believe me, I can think of tons of arguments, and nasty things that one can say to counter your assault on our collective memory, our history, and the sufferings that we went through. But I will not do it because there is no way I can tailor my message to address you alone. There is a risk I might offend other decent Ethiopians who had nothing to do with the issues at hand. That is why I am reserved. And that dear Abi, as you well know, is called fairness and decency.

            Those Eritreans who might annoy you, equally annoy me with their bigoted and racist remarks. And as I mentioned before, there are quite a few nasty Ethiopians who match our bigoted warmongers. But please don’t lambaste all of us to get even with the few you in your imagination when you type your aggressive and insulting comments. Please have mercy.

            Dear Abi, the respect is mutual but remember you are insulting me–and I do not have a split personality. You can’t say I respect half of you and hate the other half 🙂

            And I will be as honest as you were:

            We have enough people who are going out of their way to apologize for our national struggle, we do not waste our time thinking about them–Eritreans in general are very proud of their struggle and they don’t entertain apologizing for their patriotism even in their dreams. But you got it all wrong: if we compare the crimes that we should mutually apologize for, I am afraid, we would have to apologize for a donkey-load compared to yours: a train load of cars stretching from Djibouti to Addis Ababa. We do not want to go that way, Abi. I and many of my compatriots have moved on, even after having suffered from the systems that the many “elect of god” led.

            If it makes you feel good, go ahead and drum “the Arab war” tune. Arabs practically fought on the side of the Derg while not a single Arab fought the war on our side–we had prisoners to show for who was on the side that we faced, all nationalities, not just Arabs. But I understand: the entire narration of the ancien-regime is based on hate of Arabs (of mythical proportion though actually Arabs is euphemism for Muslim, and I know, it is my history, Abi). Unfortunately, our homegrown struggle that fed on the blood of noble Eritreans is there as a testimony for the honest to see.

            What we witness in Eritrea is still a legacy that your ancestors and history produced. You see Abi, you belong to a class whose history is based on conquests, while most of us belong to a history of struggle for self-determination. We have done it for so long and that is why I think it is our luck (fate), for lack of better words–go ahead continue making “luck” sound superstitious.

            Eritreans always have their freedom at heart, but the usurpers, since the beginning of time, have perfected the art of stealing the produce of the people. And I beg you to look at Isaias in that light. Whether the Derg was better or worse than the PDFJ, is an academic exercise, both are tyrants and both are anti-people. They are just marginally different though the same in essence. I do not see a difference between a killer of a 1000 people and another who kills 900 people. Both are killers.

            I do not want to go there, as you did boldly, but I am curious to know who is more barbaric than the other when we compare the people of our region with Eritrea in the center (geographically speaking, it’s not an Isaias-like Freudian slip). I doubt if anyone can produce credible facts to prove one is less barbaric than the other. Who is more barbaric, Abi?

            Hyperbole aside, millions didn’t die in our region because of our struggle, but millions were freed. In a bigger picture, our struggle has contributed to the relative freedom and prosperity that Ethiopia is enjoying. Think objectively. Haile Sellassie gassed and killed so many people in Tigray, and the Derg’s qey sheber might give you an idea. I will not mention Ona, wekidbba, Hergigo, Sheab, Besekdira, Mesyam, Ad Ibrehim, Fana, and other massacres in Eritrea because I remember how you lost your mind when you read small narration of the massacres of Ona that I posted. Please don’t take anyone for granted.

            Finally, I don’t know what Amanuel did to you, but I had a close friend, a fighter pilot who graduated from Debrezeit, the martyr Goitom Lebassi who was killed on the street in Addis trying to take out Mengistu. Had he succeeded, he would have saved the region many years of bloodshed. He was an Eritrean hero. Now he can share what you are heaping on Amanuel, and if need be, I can tell you of others 🙂

            Dear Abi, rest assured, all Eritreans and the majority of the underprivileged Ethiopians, mainly those in the peripheries, were agitating and recruiting against the ancien-regime. The exception was the ruling class, the feudal and their lackeys. And I am wondering how Amanuel could have “affected [your] life tremendously”?

            But never mind. It’s a rhetorical question.

            Peace out, Abi

            NB: trust me, I hate writing that, but you cornered me so much I couldn’t resist it.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Peace out in one piece is right.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Ustaz Saleh

            I know the message is foe the greater peace-loving people of the Horn, and I applaud you for mastering self-control. Otherwise, as saying goes, you don’t pray to a deaf monastery expecting your prayers would be heard. abi has crossed the line of decency so many times; it’s up to the AT administrators to decide how far they could tolerate such ugly diatribes.

            tes has actually described abi as a defeated soldier of the defeated regimes of Ethiopia; someone (or was it me) described him as the Derg soldier who was kicked between the legs sending him off across the river to the South, for the last time, by that fiercely confident and assertive Eritrean female fighter, commonly known as tegadalit; Ted, Semere…nitrickay and others would simply liken him to the old mentality, full of loathing everything independent Eritrea and the loss of it. Basically, he is angry on Eritreans not only for kicking him or his interest out but also for causing the shift of political paradigm in Ethiopia. I know that we will have people who are the fringes of the fringe in terms of how they process historic events, who will keep up coming back time and again to bark off their revenge and hateful whims. The good news is that the majority of the peoples of the region seem to have moved on.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            The most disappointed man on this site from Abi is me (Kokhob) and in fact it was earlier. He has describe as me “slave of Arab” we had hot discussions and debates – and even stopped corresponding to each other but then I don’t see the case is worst than those who try to tell us in different ways (some time diplomatically) the crimes done by PFDJ leadership over our people was correct– I don’t see they are better than Dergu if not worst as they are from our own nation who can cheat some innocent. Again, Dergue is gone and if Abi has that dream that will only remain dream.

            Abi has other qualities that all we all lough and enjoy and I love his present here. In fact you and me should be able convince him that our struggle was correct and is correct. Abi replays sometime when some one fail to explain why things are bad in Eritrea today. He exploits it .. that is nice I love it. Leaving aside the bad words there is a lesson to be heard – reasons I use to explain to Abi were all with love and as sisterly nations people. I learn I don’t have to argue since Eritrea is free. After Eritrea becomes free of PFDJ I am sure I will do the same with EX-PFDJ supporters at that time.

            What I want to say is that Abi is not worst than those who support PFDJ and try to play different tricks.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam KS
            Let’s stop the comparison game. Why do you inject PFDJ supporters here? I commented on abi’s specific and repeated statements that:
            – Eritrean cause was an Arab one
            -Eritrean revolution was a mission driven by Arabs
            -He told you and every Eritrean worth of salt that he/she was an Arab slave
            – He told you your identity is deformed…and so on.
            Do you agree with him? If not tell him that he is dead wrong and he needs to stop bashing a people and a nation who are very keen to keep their legacy as clean as it should be. I detest and despise ALL, OK, ALL Ethiopian regimes. But I will never say Ethiopian are this…Tigrians are that…Oromo….No. That’s prejudice bordering bigotry. And it should be called as such. I have no business to convince him, he has every right to not accept Eritrean independence. He has every right to say that Eritrea is worth off now than under Ethiopian occupation. These are accepted political statements. And I have no problem with them said. However, it’s totally unacceptable for someone to denigrate and insult a whole people and nation. You want to tame him down, good luck; but I have concluded that he is a hardened repetitive offender who has made misinterpreted the wrong signals he gets from some forumers as an implicit agreement to what he says regarding Eritrea, its history and people. His humor could only be accepted as a PLUS and not as a compensation for his repetitive offenses.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,

            if you go back long before you participate, you will find how much I have opposed his views and a lot of similar debates were going on since then and it has lost it’s taste talking the same thing every time. Eritrean national freedom is over any now and the reality is different.

            we (you and me ) knows what we are talking about more than Abi or someone innocent reading now.. I have got your massage deep and you know what I am talking about –ተፋሊጥና ኣለና ::

            since you and me are busy those days it is better we stop here as I feel it will touch our common ground . But sure I have something important to say let us change the time as we my complicate things and that may not serve us.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam KS

            It’s not that complicated. But it’s up to you to dodge an easy proposal. That says a lot. I called upon you to call his behavior for what it is, without injecting comparisons of PFDJ. The fact that PFDJ has made egregious transgressions on Eritreans does not make what abi and his cohorts, including Eritrean sympathizers, are saying/doing of general Eritrean character assassination right. Please stop insinuating as if I’m coming for a dubious agenda. You said “ተፋሊጥና ኣለና” What do you mean?
            NB: I’m responding because you replied to my original comment; otherwise, I have no appetite to spend time on meaning and senseless correspondence.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmud,

            No Mahmuday, it is not senseless but it may not be useful and may not be one of the priorities today. But just remember it and we will have enough time to talk about it in near future hopefully- every word of yours are important – I don’t just jump them as you are more to me and you know that. We have a lot of problems to settle when time permit.

            with respect.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Kokhebay
            Very nice of you. Believe me, I admire people who swallow their pride for a good cause. I was a bit saddened that you misunderstood my comment. But that’s fine.

          • Nitricc

            . Mahmuday: what is up my great man? As busy as I am; I have no right to take the few minutes to post this but again this is about the greatness being a little less understanding about Ras-Abi. What is the ruth; The truth; Abi is extremely disappointed individual person with way it went down between Eritrea and his country. There is a great animosity, rejection, grudge and right down denial in his heart. Point blank; he never accepted and he will never accept Eritrean independence as long as he is consuming Oxygen; let’s get that out of the way. That is the way he feels and that is a he believes and he has the right to feel what ever his heart contents. The truth and No disagreements there! But why does Abi feel the way he feels?
            You see Mahmuday; to understand the how he feels; but yourself in his shoes. Eritrea left Ethiopia not only by force but leaving the 2nd most populous country in Africa without ports and right down landlocked; embarrassing but this is the truth! Then once more; the Ethiopians gathered all they have and came to settle the score and pay revenge with everything they have; including our former allies, to burry us once for all and Eritrea not only foiled the mother of attack but send them packing with bloody nose, never to try again. At this point Abi could have accepted the reality in the ground and move on. But, there are those cowards and greedy Eritreans who are not only keep poking Abi’s wound but they add some salt to it. After all what happened between the two countries; you have some disgraced Eritrean the likes of Semere who are not only begging Ethiopia to invade Eritrea but to shade Ethiopian’s blood for solving their own problems. You have disgraced Eritreans the likes of Lamke who wants to kiss-up with TPLF to loot Ethiopia; you have disgraced Eritreans like Berhe Y who drools after the dead and good for nothing midget. You have some coward Eritreans who are running to Abi’s country and consume his recourses. What do you think supposed Abi think, react and do? He is only human and Ethiopian with humongous ego and self-prides to go along with it. I understand Abi’s stand and attitudes toward Eritrea and Eritreans.
            ***SAAY; I have not forgotten about you; just waiting for a little free time.

          • Berhe Y

            Nitric,

            I don’t know what warrants this insults but you sound like, you got an opportunity to score points.

            I don’t you have any clue what the argument is all about.

            How about you go and visit Erirea and celebrate 25 years independence.

            You already visited addis many times by now, why not once to Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Dear SG,

            I have been wondering of late how one talks of greatness of individuals who have massacred and enslaved ancestors of their now “country men” in the quest to expand their nations.

            However much we hate Isayas, he is not worse than Atse Tedros, Atse Yohannes, Mengestu…not sure about Haile Sellassie even though the two share much in personality.

            Dear Abi,

            I am buying your “Dabo first more than what the DCC party has to offer. Your weakness is your nostalgic attachment to the nobility of the past who have recked havoc, making you sound closer to Dawit’s “Yenegese Negusatchin”. Stand for the poor people and consider me in your party.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            A.Osman,
            So far, the Paltalk room is meant to be used for occasional discussions, not on a regular basis. We entertained the idea but we’re not sure if enough people will volunteer to run it, will you give it a few hours of your time weekly? If there are enough people willing to volunteer, we can discuss the logistics.

          • A.Osman

            Hi SG,

            Posted in wrong thread..saay had hinted the administration console to have confusing view 🙂

            The time consuming nature of Paltalk is what put me off long time back, unlike this forum discussion it is not one that you can mulititask and be on and off as you like.

            Don’t mind helping out if the room is run on need basis rather than a regimented frequent programme. It is easier to commit to forum administration than for Paltalk.

            Let’s see the plan of action from the first session.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saleh (SGJ),

            I am a person who moved on, and trying with my compatriots to create peace based on our current identity realities. Abi and his likes understand peace comes by subjugation. It won ‘t be too far to prove them that a cooperation and mutual respect of the current identity realities are better conducive for peace and stability than our old status.

            I have tried to prod him to accept the “new reality” and to move on, than crying on the history made by Eritreans and who decided to control the fate of our nation and our people. But it sounds like speaking to the wall.

            Abi knows that Derg and its red terror in the heart of Addis changed his life in the 70s and 80s. He should thanked the Eritrean revolution and those Ethiopian organizations who fought to eradicate his misery and the misery of Ethiopian people. The Eritrean revolution has contributed a historical role in aiding and strengthening the forces of change in the Ethiopan struggle. It is the product of this fact that the current progress on Ethiopian development is running to day, and are governing themselves at least on constitutionalism and rule of law.

            sebay MeAlti
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Aklilu Hailu

            ገነት – በምን ቋንቋ ነበር የምታወሩት ? ሻዕቢያዎቹ ጥላቻ ያሳይዋችሁ ነበር ?

            ተስፋዬ (Derg Security Minister) – የባሬንቱ ተወላጅ ሆኖ የኢ.ኤል.ኤፍ ኃላፊ የነበረ ዶክተር ለትምህርት ሱዳን ሄዶ በዚያው ወደበረሃ የገባ ነበረ:: እሱ ብቻ አማርኛ አይችልም:: ከተቀሩት ጋር የምንነጋገረው ባማርኛ ነው :: በጣም ተግባብተን ነበር:: መጀመሪያ ላይ ሆስታይል ቢሆኑ እንኳን ትንሽ ቆይተን ሁላችንም ያው የአበሻ ባህሪያችን ይወጣል ፤ እንገባበዛለን:: ክትፎው፣ ምናምኑ ይቀርባል…

            I bet Abi and Amanuel would be acting like the above if they meet in real life… ምንም ቢሆን አበሻ ነን ሁላችን 🙂

          • Peace!

            Dear Abish,

            It is not your fault you have been a spoiled Barbie here at this form for a long time despite you revealed yourself as racist with disrespectful attitude toward Eritrean history. You really need to move on and be creative for tomorrow because that’s what matters.

            Peace!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            You are nice and you are getting nicer, I am not liking it:-)
            I think Abi has a point, please be in his shoes,understand him
            Because Eritreans should have bowed and submitted to neguse negesti, t God’s elect HS when he burned Hirgigo, Weki Duba, Ona (FG met a survivor, hushuk belo nAbi st FG), Ad Ibrahim, and Shieb and even the cluster bombs that Abi’s uncles rained on Massawa in 1991. Abi was supposed to be the heir of those criminals but fate had different path for him and it was to bitch and moan about the Amanuels, who stood to claim their God given dignity. Fate also had something else for Abi and it was to settle only for dabbo.
            If his belittling was toward the those who used and served both regimes of his country, people like dawit, who are serving PFDJ now, I would be with him, But the country that was mentioned in the first lines of he Bible, the country that exported a briride to Moses, the country that has a lineage to wisest man, Solomon, HAD nothing to show for it, his country is a country that despite its natural endowment was the poster country for hunger, disease and starvation. And I do not blame the pathfinder of Ghed to distance thmselves from the emblem of of shame, and an epitome of blood shed that Abi’s country was in 1960, 3000 years after its founding. As much as think that Ghedli had its shameful part, it beginning was honorable as it was crucible against indignity.
            So, La La, Ya Abu Selah, Abi is not doing good, his is angry at the people who got their dignity back , both Eritreans and Tigriynays, the former lost it back to PFDJ, the later has a shot at succeeding, that is what driving Abi crazy and source of his dabbo abuse syndrome

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            I know you are too slow. You said among many zibazinke ” …he is angry at the people who got their dignity back…” Sem, you lost your dignity to the point your President told you to go live where the water is. Your people are sold as whole or part, you moved from villas to refugee camps, from universities to Arab streets…
            Sem stop talking about a dignity you have no clue whatsoever .
            Tell this imaginary dignity to a SAWA recruit who jumped from a moving truck, to a slave who is in the trenches for years, tell this dignity to the unaccompanied minor at refugee camps, tell that to a former general crying in public in refugee camp…
            Dignity! What dignity? You must be one of those zombies suffering from affluenza.
            The only thing this stillborn independence brought you is wurdet.
            Sorry, I have to tell you the truth.
            Guregna.

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            But that is not your business to be honest and also I do not think you are reminding us about what PFDJ is doing to us from the goodness of your heart, BUT,you are doing it to just like a criminal who collects trophies from his victms so he can relive and replay and enjoy his crime.In PFDJ you got your tropy and your are doing it.
            But lying is in yiur DNA so you are hankering on our current suffering, the debate was this: were the “Amanuels” right to rebel against Dergi and HS or not. Answer that honestly with dignity and truth and then I can join you in mention what PFDJ is doing.
            You do not know more than me and more than and Eritrean about what PFDJ to us. But like fathere like son, like uncle like nephew you are changing the subject
            About the stillborn independence, I called it worse, stick to the debate, did yi=ou want Eritreans to jut give the other chick to the crime of HS and Dergi? that is the topic, please answer that do not mention PFDJ, you can do that alone to enjoy our suffering done on your behalf

          • Abi

            Hi Sem, Tes , Beyene and all sleepwalking zombies who are ready to celebrate the 25th memorial ceremonies of the stillborn independence,
            Congratulations!
            Let’s settle this thing once and for all.
            I , Ras Abi, strongly believe your independence struggle was wrong and remains wrong. Do not try to convince me otherwise.

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            that is not the point. Again and again you showed disrepect and enjoy the suffering of all those who rebelled againt your fathers, who were the designer of massacre and red terror, that is what you have to show for. Nothing else. Eritrea under PFDJ is also going throw the same and people must revolt in the same way they did when they were fighting against your big brothers and fathers, this people included Tigriniyans, Amhara, Ormo and Erireans, the old difference is Eritreans decided to separate instead of living under the ancient medivals of HS and Dergi, the other opressed people decided to modernize the brutes in Ethuiopia, different solution to the same problems
            You are just an eloquent liar and an eloquent hypocryt , if you think Eri independence is stillborn as I do, you should also believe that ppl should rise against PFDJ the same way they rose to HS and Dergi. Your beef is only for grief of the lose of privilege to kill and murder people

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            I didn’t know you and I agree on the stillborn Eritrean independence. It is an honor to be in your company.
            The rest is the usual hatewtew.
            Now, what is the reason for this situation? I argued it is because your struggle was not centered on Eritreans. It was an outsourced Arab war. What is your argument?
            Again, good to know you and I are on the same page on this.
            Who is next? Raise your hand.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras-Abi; I was just passing through and the exchange between Semere, Berhe and Abi caught my attention to force ne say a word or two. Real quick; here is what I think.
            there is one huge, enormous and gigantic point you are missing. There is a light that where harbors darkness and there is darkness that harbors lightness. That is all going to say about the describing between Eritrea and Ethiopian current situation. And for you to adore Melles; simply shame on you. you are going to find out sooner or latter but you will come to the reality that Melles has killed your country but waite till the light goes away that sheltered the real darkness that was engineered by your Melles Zenawi.
            Semere and Brhe; what Abi is saying if you are so proud of your independence and your freedom; what the hell are you doing in my country consuming my country’s resources and everything my nation has to offer? The country you bled 30 years to get your independent; now you got your independent, why can’t you leave my country alone go to your separate ways? Point blank; what Abi saying is; you can’t have it both ways and I agree with him. You got your country leave Ethiopia alone; once I have said that every Eritrean who goes to Ethiopia are cowards and that is the very reason for what Abi is saying. Abi it gets worst; the likes of Semere and Berhe want Ethiopians to shade their blood to get rid of PIA.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Abi is not saying that, he knows his affluent country can accommodate all the refugees to give each of them the needed dabbo. He is just saying, just like you have being saying that Eritreans should not have risen to the bullying and murdering of HS and Dergi, just like you are saying they should not stand up against the bullying and murdering of PFDJ. You are in the same wavelength

            About your untruth, let me tell you the most obvious thing, even my indoor plant can understand: Ethiopial will act when it sees it fit after it weakens PFDJ to the bone, Ethiopia is just giving PFDJ rob to hung itself by staying in the Eri territories just because it can and the ever weakening Eritrean military will make it a walk on the park for Ethiopia, and that will get rid pf PFDJ but will also get rid of Eritrea as the protracted assault by PFDJ and the final knock out blow by Ethiopia will disintergerate Eritrea. The logic you are twisting that any German shepherd breed can grasp is that the sooner PFDJ is removed the better for Eritrea the nation, not Eritrea the geography. PFDJ is too weak, to fragile, to coward to do anything to Ethiopia while it defies and humiliates PFDJ. With the least blood shed, with the least lose of life and the least squandering of materials Ethiopia will be able to rid of PFDJ, they have tested the waters that PFDJ cannot do anything about Ethiopia’s incursions and then you and Gheteb will be asking for a video that Ethiopia is indeed in Asmara.

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