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Eritrean Politics: A Proto-Version Of Never Land

Theorists and practitioners always have different perspectives. Theorists think about synchronism or simultaneous occurrences and assume reliable approaches. Practitioners on the far side think about copout and worry about collisions. Unfortunately, these two sets of views are not entirely compatible; there are many subtle issues that arise in the process of reconciling them. Therefore, leaders should exhibits great wisdom and ability to bridge and reconcile the theory and practices of Eritrean politics even in the presence of failures.

The Eritrean political culture is driven by various “group interests” charged with absolute psychological forces who are on perpetual collision against each other. Informally, integrity requires fault-tolerant consensus. By that I mean, political organizations from a given input and fixed political values often collide and fall into unwanted political discourse. In such a scenario, instead of engaging in accusative mode, they should be pulled from the faulty political discourse by promoting computational power distribution to address grievances and the violation of equitable power-sharing.

This articles, however, will not focus on solution to the Eritrean predicament, rather, it’ll focus on the culture of the politics that hinders moving forward and its’ inherent refusal to grow up from a childhood politics, which I characterized as a proto-version of Never Land.

Incidentally, a few weeks ago I was provoked to write this painful argument, while, ironically, the people are entangled under the grip of a totalitarian regime. In recent weeks, there was a heated debate at “Awate forum” – mainly on personalities rather on substantive issues that matters to the Eritrean people. From the debate of personalities, I have got “two implicit statements” that are the subject the title of this article, (a) self-acclaimed ivory tower of knowledge, (b) the propensity of invoking the card of “victors verses the vanquished” from the history of the Eritrean civil war. Before I explain why I characterized it the way I did, (a) and (b) from the subtext of their arguments, a little historical background is in order from past encounters and how I addressed them.

In 2012 I was confronted by two individuals who never stopped bragging about their achievements and making ostentatious arguments. They didn’t have decency to even tell you that you are not in their league. I wrote an article in response to that in January 25, 2012 in an article entitle, “Don’t challenge me: lessons from the virtual world.” I find the article still relevant to my encounters in the awate forum – hence I am the link.

In 1898, Martin Lomasney, was quoted as saying regarding the importance of discretion that elevated and tipped his election to the Massachusetts General Court: “Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink.” Some of my fellow citizen, still in their hissing strategic mode, never failed either to invoke the politics of “victor versus the vanquished” of the senseless civil war, or showing the attitudes of don’t question me you are not in my league, or tagging all kinds of political and non-political adjectives, or nodding approvals to incendiary attacks. Awate forum know them very well. But here are some of their “talking points”; you make your own judgments.

  • Like the falul movements within ELF doing their destructive political activities.
  • The hurt ELFites who were defeated by the EPLF.
  • The point was to let you know that your standard is not my standard.

The undisclosed individuals, the fact they appeared to give a nod of tacit approval to the PFDJites, in the awate forum, will be enough to produce cries of rage and sellout branding from the PFDJ political camp. Such individuals are (a) a threat to justice seekers, (b) they are abject repudiation to the process of reconciliation, (c) they still believe on the practice of the “survival of the fittest” on Eritrean internal politics, and hence work hard on the cleavages of our society, (d) Their politics emanate from the authoritative centralized EPLF’s political philosophy, thereby they argue that there is no alternative other than the “reformed PFDJ” to run the Eritrean politics. As a result, the PFDJites would be happier with the comfort due to the blanket and tacit support they are gaining from unsuspecting Eritreans.

For the Justice seekers, instead of their conversation being accepted as a triumph of democratic conversation for “a hopeful Eritrea”, on the discourse to reconcile the divided politics, they are taken as sellouts at the gates of their perceived enemies, Ethiopia and the international community. Like the Ithaca hope, in the Cavafy’s poem, “(your) voyage is a long one, full of adventure, (and) full of discovery” to bring the reconciled Eritrea into reality. Feel the Ithaca in your minds, and eventually you will not find the sellouts at the gate of a reconciled nation, but you the justice’s seekers will occupy the center of public domain. “Do not fear them” as long as your thoughts are lofty, and as long as your rare emotions touches your spirit and your body, to sustain your long journey. It is a journey back to your home, after you are denied your citizenship and staying away from your sweet home. It is a journey of nostalgia where you will gain wisdom from the path of your history and the experience from the journey. This is a prolepsis of what you can anticipate in your journey.

Eritrean Politics Enters The Neverland

Neverland is a fictional place featured in the work of J.M.Barrie. It is the dwelling of Peter Pan and the lost boys. Neverland is a residence famously known to boys who wouldn’t grow up or refuse to. Neverland now become a metaphor for eternal childhood.

In psychology, maturity is the ability to respond to your environment (politically, socially) in an appropriate manner. Psychological maturity is deeply embedded on cognition, marked by shifting concrete thoughts to abstract thoughts through reflections and deductions. Though politics is usually grim and a dour struggle, it is certainly a sign of immaturity when it is changed to vitriolic political climates.

For decades, the Eritrean politics didn’t grow and mature; political consciousness didn’t grow beyond national consciousness. It didn’t move an inch outside the circle of nationalism. All the political mobilization is about nationalism and how to defend a sovereignty state. There is no new political impetus of nationalistic-democratic ideals in the mix that can inspire citizens for collective discussions, deepened through public input and guided by revolutionary intellectuals who are pro-democracy and justice. We are many people with a blend of many views, but we can’t move beyond the blinders of our perception and group politics. So, instead of making progress, we are regressing to children’s politics.

Political science explores the behavior of leaders, nature of political system, and functions of governments, in an attempt to ascertain the best practice for integrating new ideas and proposals to resolve conflicts and adjudicate justice. The Eritrean politics shouldn’t be only about the removal of the dictator, but also about changing the system and transforming Eritrea into a democratic- constitutional republic.

Tamp Down Emotions And Stick to Facts

Since politics is often so personally and emotionally charged, it is natural to seek out for people we agree with. That is rule number one when we engage in a debate or a discussion. Second, we need to be able to leave bias at the door of engagement. We should be open to information that may contradict our positions, enables us to see the complete picture, including the flaws in our positions. These two points are the key to polite political engagement. Of course, we don’t need to change our opinion just because there are flaws in our argument. We only have to be willing to acknowledge them. Polite political conversation should be able to model our discussion in order to reserve the right to change our minds.

Unfortunately, confirmation of bias is a tough beast to tamp down completely. When we debate about politics, we need to make sure the conversation is fact based. That doesn’t mean we cannot be passionate about our opinion. Here is what Alan Henry once said: “while facts and information are the components of calm and reasoned discussion; fervor is what leads to heated argument.” Hence, facts and reliable information are always demanded. I hate reductionist and oppose reductive account of the mind that captures only the low level explanations of perceptions; because they don’t include the asymmetric causal theory of reference and language of thoughts within the loop of the subject matter.

The deft and veiled debates of what should be the content based exchange, often change into an ad hominem attacks and indictment by innuendo, dodging at best their bullets in a cross wire fashion. However, in the right context, if we feel like engaging, fight fire with fire and reply with the right variant on the theme. The other alternative could be, as we may recall from our long-ago interlude with Plato, Socrates never failed to answer questions with a question. That could be another method of highly effective shield. But the question is: how do we build a knowledge based virtuous political community?

Aristotle in his Nicomachean Ethics described the role that “politics” and the “political community” must play in bringing about virtuous life and engagements. According Aristotle, Ethics and politics are practical sciences that deal with human beings as moral agents. While Ethics is primarily about the actions of human beings as individual, politics is about the actions and engagements of human beings in their communities. In Aristotle’s mind virtuous lives and engagement are based on the three categories of knowledge, namely, the theoretical knowledge, productive knowledge, and practical knowledge. While theoretical knowledge aims at contemplation on what virtuous community will be, productive knowledge aims at creating the virtuous community, and practical knowledge aims on how virtuous community will engage in discipline in their practical lives.

Our political community are not built or structured in Aristotelian knowledge of virtuous political community, where ethics and politics interplay to influence each other to shape a virtuous and disciplined Eritrean political community. Until the Eritrean political community is structured in a way our engagement be reformed in an ethical disciplined manner, it will never evolve to grow and mature; thereby transform the Eritrean Political landscape to challenge the international, regional, and domestics politics we are entangled in. It is high time that the political community is restructured in a way to discipline ourselves and act together to save our people from the deep crises of epic proportions.

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  • selam

    Playing poker in a bankrupted casino house . How do the bankrupted casino company make money from people who have no remaining chips to play . Well the company send people to a rich people and tell them they can make more money by just playing poker . The bankrupted company is not in the eyes of the rich people , what is more important for them is making more money .By playing poker in this house the rich try to throw some money and wish to get more cash in return . But who will play with them ? The people who are hired by the casino house has no money , but some how they will play and hope win at most they will get paid a commission by ad and also by playing and wining against the Rich.

    All the bankrupted weyane websites and some of their followers played their chips and get lost with their bombing strategy. So where are these people who were turning their back to their people and country. What will they say now ?

    The half opposition and half weyanes will create another stunt and say what ever in their hateful mouth and try lecture us.
    Now what do you think the Eritrean youth will say about some opposition websites like Asmarino independent and so many others ? what is the best take from the last week news ? what do we learn.

    The spin masters tried every thing on their shelves to explain what happened on the ground and try to tell us ethiopian military adventure is good for Eritrea . Where are they now. I hope you see them commenting in other articles and avoid such thing.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Awatistas,

    “ንሕና ኤርትራውያን፡ በዙ ሎሚ ቅነ ኣብ ቢሻን ማይ ዕዲጋን ዜወረዯ ስጉምቲ’ውን ክንሰማማዕ
    ኣይንኽእልን ኢና ። ለባማት፡ ‚ክልተ ሰባት ርእስኻ የላን
    እንተኢሎሙኻስ፡ ሃሰስ በላ‛ ይብሉ። ስለዙ ረርእስኻ ፈትሽ ኣንታ ህዜቢ! …እዙ ስርዒት
    እዙ ብኣና ክህረም ኣለዎ‛ ብዜብል ኣረኣእያ፡ ምህራም ትካል ቢሻ ዗ጉሃዮም ኣሕዋት ብምስመዏይ ሓዙነ።
    ከምቲ ‘ሰራሕ ገንኢ፡ ምስራሕ ሞጎጎ ይኣብዮ’ ዜበሃል፡ እቲ ንግንባራት ዯርግ ዜዯምሰሰን ቅያ ዜሰርሐን
    ህዜቢ ኤርትራ፡ ስርዒት ኢሳይያስ ንምእላይ ኣላሽ ኢሉ’ዩ። ፈቲና ኣይፈቲና ከምኡ ስለዜኾነ ውሽጥናን
    ውሻጠናን፡ ኣስናን ኢሳይያስ ብዜኾነ ወንጭፍ እንተጎረፈ፡እንቋዒናይ ተዒለለ ክበሃል ምተገብአ” (ረዴኢ መሓሪ /ኣለና/ መጋቢት 28-2015). Alena was one of those who believe on Bitsefirna. Slowly but surely the Eritrean people will settle on the opinion that to remove the regime should be by all means. That is why Alena concluded his remark by “ኢሳይያስ ብ዗ይካ ቋንቋ
    ሓይሊ ካልእ ዜኾነ መረዲዴኢ ቃላት ስለ዗ይብሉ፡ ጉዲይና ከኣ ብሓይሊ
    ጥራይ ኢዩ መዕለቢ ዜረክብ።”

    regards,

    • tes

      Dear Emma,

      Quote of a quote: “እቲ ንግንባራት ዯርግ ዜዯምሰሰን ቅያ ዜሰርሐን ህዜቢ ኤርትራ፡ ስርዒት ኢሳይያስ ንምእላይ ኣላሽ ኢሉ’ዩ። ፈቲና ኣይፈቲና ከምኡ ስለዜኾነ ውሽጥናን ውሻጠናን፡ ኣስናን ኢሳይያስ ብዜኾነ ወንጭፍ እንተጎረፈ፡እንቋዒናይ ተዒለለ ክበሃል ምተገብአ””

      Will you endorse this full two full sentence statements that you quoted from Redie Meharena? Just curious to counter-check if you fully agree with him though I didn’t forget that you are already living in the Never Land.

      With Respect

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        እታ ርግቢት ኣንቛቆሖ እናበለዐ ሞኽ ዘበላ ተመን ዘምሃራ ምህሮ ነይሩ :: ክፋእን ጭካኔን:: መእንቲ ህላዌን ቀጻልነትን ህይወት መጻኢ ወለዶኣ ኸኣ ኩሉ ዓቅምታታ ክትጥቀም ነይርዋ :: ምስ ግሔ ገጢሙ ላሕ ምስ በለ ድማ እያ ክልተ ኣዒንቱ ዘንቆረቶ :: ሰላማዊት ርግቢት ከኣ ሰላም ረኸበት ::

    • guest

      Selamat akhuy Amanuel.
      Was it Nitriccay who jokingly said there are some who’s degree is in English Dictionaries and Vocabularies? I’ m asking seriously if this gentleman’s PHD is in TIGRINIOLOGY. Over ten words and phrases he wrote, i dont know the meanings; just guesswork from the construction of the arefte neger. But my most troubling phrases are the following and i am quite sure someone from this honored school of awate.com will enlighten me. Please anyone help me what he meant.
      a) In the second par, he started talking of hope, tgen he said, ” …nhna kem deqqi Isaac, btesfa ina inineber “. Who are the deqqi isaac he is referring to? OR is it a typo for deqqi Addam?
      b) At the end, he said, ” Mot kinana n esayas!” Who or what is “kinana?”
      As for the general view of his editorial, I agree with most, but totally disagree with some… But generally, nice piece of work.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear guest

        ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ !

        እቲ ሞት ክናና ዝብል ብሂል ፕሮፌሶር መድሃኔ ‘ውን ኣብ ‘ቲ “ኤርትራ ሞይታ እያ” ዝብል ብዛዕባ ትንሳኤ ሃገረ ኤርትራ ዝሃቦ መግለጺ ተጠቂሙሉ እዩ ::ኣብ ኣጠቃቅማ ገለን ንሞት ክናና መሪሕነት ኤስያስ ምስ ምናና ምሕደራ ወያኔ የዛምድዎ :ገለ ኸኣ ንሞት ክናና ኤስያስ ምስ ህዝብና የዛምድው

        ኣብ ኣመጻጽኣ ናይዘን ቃላት ምስ ንዛረብ ግን :-
        ክናናን ምናናን ዝበሃሉ ክልተ ዝተጣመሩ መንታታት ብሓደ ክነብሩ ጸኒሖም እቲ ክናና ምስ ሞተ ምናና ነቲ ዝበስበሰ ኣካላት ሓው ተሰኪሙ ክነብር ከምእተገደደ እዩ ዝቀርብ :: ምናና ኸኣ ሚኒን ክብል ክራገምን ይነብር ማለት እዩ :: ከምዚ ሕጂ ንሕና ኣብ ሕቆና ዝበስበሰ ስርዓት ተሰኪምና ሚኒን ንብሎ ዘለና ማለት እንድኣሉ !

        • guest

          Wow! I never heard of such story/ myth, nor the usage of kinana in wishing one a horrible death. ” waqull Rabbi zidni ilmah.”
          Thank you brother kokhob.

    • selam

      so why do people waste their time talking all night on paltalk and writing endless articles for almost 15 years on every website ? It is a true testimony that some thing is horribly wrong with people like you . You can not live your life by continues blame game and accuse IA for every thing that goes wrong on your side. Take accountability. Tell us you have failed miserably and we can learn from your mistakes .

      Whose kid is trash and whose kid is more valuable to Eritrea ? Ask yourself , whose kid is to pick the gun and whose kid is going to school in UK and all over ? who will take the right action to snap IA from his throne.We have learned that all the smart people talking about change in Eritrea are not that much encouraging , i mean if we follow where their foot is .

  • teweldino

    Awate forum digest – goofy version

    How do you say the popular English proverb “you can’t eat your cake and have it” in Tigrigna? …. I’m waiting for your translation……………

    Try your translation in a Tigrigna conversation…………

    Did it make sense? Well, I have tried it in many conversations and it never made sense.

    That is until I read Abinet’s equivalent proverb which somewhat reads: “You can’t milk the cows and eat them at the same time”. Now if you translate this proverb into Tigrigna, it is easy to use in a conversation and usually does not feel odd.

    Let’s try another one. Try translating the following idiom into Tigrigna: “Making a mountain out of a molehill” ……………

    Kokeb Selam came up with …. “ከም ሰይ ቸንቶ ጸጸር ረጊጻ ሓፍ ዞቅ ትብል”. To be honest, he was not trying to translate the proverb but I think it is a witty equivalent. By the way, KS, the new Fiat 600 is not something to mess with.

    It is funny how discussion topics move quickly. Before the Bisha drama, the demolition of the recently built houses in Adi Keih and Kebabi Asmara was the biggest topic here at Awate and facebook. I found Haile WM’s take really thought provoking. He said: “መሬት ናይ መንግስቲ’ዩ – the government owns the land in the country. …. we shall not live in the land, build in the land, til the land. The only thing we can do is leave the land, that is if the “mengsti” doesn’t shoot us….”

    “…..Strange times we live in, and some are fooled by the slogan “weyane should vacate ‘our’ land. Whose land are they talking about ? That of mengsti ? I say let the “mengsti” deal with it … I am being ousted from my land.

    Mr Hope replied: “Your points make sense from practical point of view.”

    On the other hand, Semere has been going on and on about this help from Ethiopia to oust Ato Isias from his office near the old kifle hager building. Does anyone know what the building is called? Asmara palace is apparently a hotel.

    Let’s go back to Semere. A lot people are trying to guilt-trip him, but his defence is (which makes anyone who has some association with EPLF shy away)

    “EPLF with its alliance with TPLF did this to us: Set a precedent so now they have no
    moral ground to “bitch” about it when we want to ally with TPLF 2 to get rid of
    them. They made it halala! ” I pictured him tyyping the above listening to Alicia Keys – Karma; mumbling… What goes around comes around, What goes up must come down, Now who’s cryin, desirin’, …..

    • Kokhob Selam

      ተወልዲኖ

      እታ ሰይ ቸንቶ ኮ ብመሰረት ዕላልና ሰይ ቸንቶ ኣስመራ እያ ‘ምበር ናይ ሚላኖ መዓስ ኮይና ! ኮራሕራሕ እናበልካ እዩ : Lol!
      እቲ ጸጸር ድማ እዋእ ጽርግያ ሚላኖ ዶ ኮይኑ ክዱን ብኣፈ ስላሴ – ጸጸር ኤርትራ ንኣውቲስታታት ሃገርና ሓንቲ ብሓንቲ እዩ ዝፈልጦም ::

      የግዳስ ሓደ መጋድልትና ዝበሎ ከዕልለካ :

      እዚ ጀግና ኣብ ውግእ ሕድሕድ ብጠያይት ህዝባዊ ንግባርን ወያኔን ደጋጊሙ እዩ ቆሲሉ :: ሎሚ ድሕሪ 35 ዓመታት ኣብ ኣካሉ ዝተረፈት ሓንቲ ጥይት ኣብ ጸጋማይ ጎኒ ናይ ርእሱ ብዙሕ ስለ ዘይጠለቐት ከውጽኣ ናብ ሆስፒታል ይመላለስ ነይሩ :: ዕብየት ግዲ ኮይኑ ቃንዛ ክስመዖ ጀመረ ‘ሞ ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ቃንዛ በርቲዕዎ ስለ ዝበሉና መጋድልቱ ተኻኺብና ከድናዮ::

      ጭርቃንን ዳእላን ንፈቱ እንዲና ኣብ ሞንጎ ዕላል – እታ ጥይት ምስ ወጸት እንታይ ክትገብራ ኢኻ ኢለ ምስሓተትኩዎ “መሬት መሬት መንግስቱ ድዮም ዝበሉና ጥይት ድማ ጥይት መንግስቲ ስለ ዝኾነን – እዛ ጥይት ድማ ሕድሪ ተሰኪመያ ዝጸናሕኩ ንብረት ኤስያስ ስለ ዝኾነት በመንገዲ ሕቡራት መንግስታት መንግስቲ ኤርትራ ክቅበለኒ ክሓትት እየ” ኢልና

      ንግዚኡ ኩልና ስሒቅና ግን እቲ መልእኽቲ ከቢድን ኣዝዩ ኣተሓሳሳብን እዩ ዝነበረ ::

      • teweldino

        Hi KS,

        Thanks for sharing this moving story with us.

        While we are still talking about fiat 600, let me tell you one of my favorite jokes when I was a kid. Chances are that you have heard the joke. Let me carry on anyway.

        ኣብ መንገዲ ሓዝሓዝ ሓንቲ ካብዘን ናይ ቀደም ቀያሕቲ ቦጥ ንሓዝሓዝ ገጻ ጥኸይድ ነበረት። ሽዑ ሓንቲ ሰይ ቸንቶ ካብ ድሕሪት መጺኣ ሽው ኢላ ቀዲማታ ነቲ ዓቀበት ደየበቶ። ሓደ ነዚ ኣቋሚቱ ዝርእይ ዝነበረ ሃገረሰብ (መዓት ረኺቦም ሃገረሰብ!) አንታይ በለ መስለካ፧ እዋይ አዚኣስ! ክንዲ ኣዲኣ ምስ ኮነትሲ ክንደይ ክትሕምበብያ፧

        • Kokhob Selam

          that is very famous joke, there is similar jock in Ethiopia but not for fiat 600.

          the best time I had with those fiat is when I read the article of SGL. do you read that? Lol.

          by the way imagine the mechanic of old fiat 600 in his 80,s today try to be a mechanic or electrician of new fiat 600, Lol. what will he do with those new electronic equipment that is what we are experiencing PIA and Alamin are still on their old style of politics.

  • time

    On the editorial photo above, I see two images. Is that supposed to signify Amanuel Hidrat’s supposedly twin positions? Funny indeed. It reminds me the way the Obama campaign portrayed Romney on the healthcare and other issues.

  • ‘Gheteb

    A Proximate Regime Change In Eritrea? Fat Chance. (I)

    From the reportedly ENSF (Eritrean National Salvation Front) military attack on Qohaita to ‘the Adi-Keih face-off’; from the recent ‘Bisha incident’ to the so-called visit of Houthi representatives to Asmara, one can readily descry a hectic activity from certain corners who are trying to effect a regime change in Eritrea. Well, one detects from the first phenomenon an opposition group taking military action; from the second a local popular upheaval; from the third “the mighty Ethiopian armed froces” flexing its military muscles; from the fourth an attempt to isolate the Eritrean regime completely from the surrounding Sunni Majority Arab countries.

    However, all the four seemingly co-ordinated activities failed to gain major tractions in the Eritrean public imaginations and awareness simply becuase they were riddled with lacunae of inconsistency, lacked veracity and literally bombed, meaning they all went bust. As a result, the Eritrean regime or the PFDJ accomplished a propaganda coup as all of this was literally a godsend windfall from those corners that wish to see an end to PFDJ reign in Eritrea. Mind you, the PFDJ has achieved all this without lifting even a finger. Talk about the boomerang effect!

    Then comes SAAY with this video of a certain Khaled Abdu, basically asserting that the current miserably pitiable condition in Eritrea under the dictatorship of Isaias Afeworki vitiates sovereignty and therefore any change is welcome even if it comes with the military intervention/ invasion of Ethiopia. Well, SAAY did a whale of job in parsing and analyzing the political stands of Khaled Abdu from different angles. However, SAAY forgot to raise one critical question, which is: Why the video was realsed on March 25, 2015? Was the realsing of this video a mere coincidence? perhaps, a happenstance? Well, I don’t think so. I believe that it was part and parcel of the whole plan, I mean ‘the scheme’ and ,again, this video will not gain any currency within the Eritrean populace.

    Even if you bring a silver-tongued cassandra who wags his tongue and unspools why the issue of sovereignty is immaterial and who could wow his audience with all the happy talk about the potemkinesque white elephant projects and the soi-disant economic growth in Weyane-led Ethiopia, that in and by itself, doesn’t obviate the fact that the issue of Eritrea’s sovereignty is sine qua non in the Eritrean psyche. The Eritrean opposition groups by kissing off the issue of Eritrea’s sovereignty has accomplished a singular achievement which is to make the PFDJ the paradigm of Eritreanism and Eritreaness. Well, one detects this regnant meme within the anti-PFDJ political groups that runs something like this: all issues regarding sovereignty should be subordinated to the urgent task of removing the dictatorial regime of PFDJ. And, if that endeavor is going to entail the invasion of the Weyane-led Ethiopia, they will with a straight face aver that, so be it.

    Imagine that Khaled Abdu was addressing the Eritrean people through that video, say, from Hashenit ( Barka/Sudan) or from Ruba Abew in Sahel/Sudan, Eritrea. Imagine, also, Khaled’s image was not tainted by his frequent visit to Ethiopia and his association with the likes of the arrant Abessinian fundamentalist, YG. Had that been the case, any sane Eritrean would have given Khaled the benefit of the doubt and not the outright dismissal he might have gotten because may have categorized him as a mere Weyane mothpiece. Now, also picture through your mental eyes that ENSF was based inside Eritrea working day and night to win the hearts and minds of Eritreans and not hog-tied to the Weyanes. Now, any military activity it might have undergone would have resonated with the Eritrean public thereby emboldening others to join its ranks, boosting financial support and ultimately rallying the Eritrean people around it. Alas, though, neither Khaled Abdu nor the ENSF seem to have that kind of independence. That is the main and the only hurdle that they seem not admit, face, rectify even in many years hence.

    Jebha Abay (ELF) didn’t win the hearts and minds through remote actions. It’s bases were not ONLY in the Sudan. It fought tooth and nail; its fighters literally ate dirt for ELF to establish itself inside Eritrea. They lived, died and fought side by side with the Eritrean people. Many would say, these days the Sudan is not friendly to any Eritrean oppositions groups and so it will be difficult for an organization to establish itself in those areas. My answer to that: FIDDLESTICKS! The Eritreo-Sudanese border is more porous than a swiss cheese and, heavens, even the Rashidas have turned it to their playpen. What is more, is the fact that the presence of thousands of Eritrean refugees some of whom who are well established in the Sudan and whose sympathy is with Jebha, ELF. They would have provided the much needed assistance. Here also, the leaders of the Eritrean opposition groups seem to have chosen the primrose path and opted the Weyane route. For far too long these namby-pamby political organization have trotted out excuses and rationales for their presence in Ethiopia and have failed to trim their sails and adjust to the ‘Eritrean reality’. It is because of this very fact that I will say unreservedly that a talismanic leader, nay, a new messiah is badly needed to extricate these Eritrean oppositions groups from their “no-win-no-lose situation” and ultimately help in ushering the much needed political change in Eritrea.

    Finally, if we had an indigenous opposition forces operating from within Eritrea proper, it would have been easy to sell the idea of co-operation with other foreign forces in the fight against PFDJ. If I remember correctly, Isaias Afeworki in the mid eighties (1985-86) worked feverishly to establish some sort of co-operation,through various meetings in Mogadisho, Somalia, with many Ethiopian opposition groups. Here some of the groups didn’t even subscribe to the notion of Eritrea’s right to self-determination. I think most of these were political/military groups from the South of Ethiopia. No one argued against Isaias’s effort becuase he simply told the EPLF leadership that because of population disadvatanges, the EPLF must form an alliance with different Ethiopian opposition groups in order to defeat the Dergue military forces. Now tell me this: who can have an issue with Isaias’s cogent argument? No one, I mean, Isaias and by extension the EPLF lived, died fighting inside Eritrea.

    • saay7

      Selamat Cousin Gheteb:

      Let’s see what we can do about these “lacunae of inconsistency” if nothing else because I learned the meaning of lacunae. Lacunae matata to you too, cuz:)

      Let’s start with the case of Khaled Abdu and the 3/25 video broadcast of his Paltalk address. Say it ain’t so, Gheteb. You are not one of those paranoid people who are always connecting dots…you are not a “post hoc ergo propter hoc kinda guy, are you? Paltalk or any Eritrean radio show is constantly looking for guests… he had given a speech on sovereignty after the 2012 Ethiopian foray into Eritrea so, naturally, he was the go-to-guy last weekend when Poor Ben was telling us that Ethiopia just had complete control of our skies. I, for one, really appreciate the clarity of his thinking: it was a great relief from the on-the-one-hand and on-the-other-hand explanations I keep hearing from our pro-Ethiopia friends. Also, he says good luck ab nefas Hanbsu; neHna dma ab my nHnbs…. (Khaled: that water is toxic:)

      Hade beleley.

      Next, in no particular order, Eritrea and the Houthis. shabait.com had a cryptic article about it because, on the one hand, it wanted to dismiss the news that the Isaias regime has a relationship with the Houthis. On the other hand, it didn’t want to draw attention to who is making the accusation. And, in its effort to dismiss it, it resuscitated an old claim that Eritrea is leasing its islands to Iran AND Israel at the same time.

      But who was the one who made the claim? It was Strafor Report. And where was the news published? In Israel’s Haaretz newspaper:

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/both-iran-and-israel-have-military-bases-in-eritrea-global-intel-reports.premium-1.484326

      The silliness of the shabait article is that it claims “the main culprits are certain intelligence agencies masquerading as independent think tanks and their TPLF (Ethiopian) minions.” So haaretz is a TPLF minion? Not something you would expect from the most educated, arguably, government official in the history of, arguable, governments and officials.

      Similarly, the claim that Eritrea is arming the Houthis was made by MEMO (Middle East Monitoring Group) in 2014. Is MEMO a “TPLF minion”? Gedab News reported in March 2014 that Saudi Arabia and Yemen had lodged a complaint against Eritrea for arming the Houthis (becoming an Iran conduit.) Does any of this seriously shock you? Given that Isaias Afwerki has a desperate need for money and given that he went to Iran and in his meeting with Ahmadinejad made another “the sky is the limit” offer because, you know, Ayatollah Khomeini use to pray for Eritrean independence in the 1980s?

      The Adi Qeyih incident happened. It was a spontaneous uprising. Those are the facts. The rest, on whether it is a continuation of incidents before (Keren) or incidents in the future is just people, like you, reading, what did you call it, reading the olive tree leaves? 🙂

      The ENSF incident is a claim by ENSF. As with all prior military communique there never is independent confirmation or denial so we piece together anecdotal information from the people and, importantly, how the government reacts to it.

      saay

      • ‘Gheteb

        Wo Cousin Sal,
        You have jogged my memories and took me back to 1985/86. Then, I was a freshman ( a prelim in the U of K parlance) at University Of Khartoum. The first time I learned the word lacuna ( pl. lacunae) was in a histology ( the study of cells) class that was taught by Dr. Ahmed Abdulmajid aka Professor Ahmed Abdulmajid, one of the eminent and hugely popular professors of the U of K. He was one of the fans/supporters of the Eritrean revolution. As you entered his office, you were literally greeted by a prominent a poster of a female EPLF fighter on the wall of his office.
        It never occurred to me that the word lacunae could be used in political commentaries, well, till I read one of George F Will columns in the Washington Post, sometime in 2002?, in which Will said something like… ” logical lacunae….”
        Well, 1985/86 was also the first time I saw the late Osman Saleh Sabe in U of K and my brief encounter with Ramadan Mohammed Nur and the late Mohammed Seid Barih in the same campus. I may say something about those meetings, of course, you know, when your cousin ‘Gheteb deems it apropos.

        • ‘Gheteb

          I meant for [histology] the study of microscopic structure of tissues. I was thinking about cytology which is the study of cells. My bad, cuz!

        • saay7

          Abet Abet Cousin Gheteb:

          This means that it’s entirely possible that you and our cousin iSem were attending the same classes in UoK. I mean he didn’t attend university in Khartoum only high school but he was a curious fella even then and maybe he just crashed classes. 1985/86 I think I was still brooding at EPLF for the most stupid decision they ever made (4-5 earlier; but u know that:)

          At the risk of invoking the wrath of Mahmuday…has anybody ever heard romedan Mohammed Nur speak? He doesn’t exist on YouTube or archive video.

          saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Bxay tegadalay SAAY
            I know you will say “That’s all! you get me an infamous video that I have seen so many time.” The man was kept behind the curtain for most of his political life. In this video, his body language says it all. check it at 06:11
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwf9hT6tWFY

          • saay7

            Mahmuday.

            Mahmuday. “That’s all!!! you get me an infamous video that I have seen so many times.”

            Add as many exclamation points as you like. Its like watching a guy going to the ledge and threatening I am jumping…and it makes no sense at all. Then, Adhanom Gebremariam told us, “he didn’t jump; he was pushed.” and it finally made sense.

            ‘teharub mn a’ndal.” Yes indeed. Ramadan and Alamin were the dudes who were being used ceremonially for “ethnic balancing” at public events–to show that the People’s Front represents all sectors of society…but after G-15, and later after Forto 2013, the Front has nothing and, at its top tier, (civilian and military) has just said, screw it, why even bother.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY
            The exclamation are adding up,meAa azzemen. That brings you to my friend Amanuel Hidrat’s equitable sharing. Alas, the 5th columnists are in the opposition becoming hurdles on the way of achieving that. I will keep looking for you if there is any maay zeyTeAame video.

          • saay7

            MaHmuday:

            It looks like u were thunderstruck by Amanuels Janus act. I am used to it. Let me make a prediction: after suggesting we are Fifth Column/Hamushay MesreE, Emma will be offended that we pointed this out. How dare ur mouth speak when I slap it 🙂 Emma does mock outrage better than anyone because he actually truly believes it.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            cousins I am loosing you, after avoiding the cousins annul reunion for a long time I l am rusty in the codes 😉

          • saay7

            iSem:

            No worries. Cousin Hope will come in and all the China areanged in thr China shop TuwaEwaE keblo iyu. And then we won’t remember what we were discussing.

            saay

        • Nitricc

          Gheteb whenever I visit or search Universities; i look up their motto and when i looked it up UK’s motto; i was impressed. you don’t want to know the ranking though. lol it read..
          God- the truth- nation- Humanity.
          that says it all.

  • saay7

    Selamat Ted:

    Well. I am supposed to be objective but I am not: I like Sem and I like Nitricc a lot. And they don’t like each other despite my frequent no Eritrean left behind sloganeering.

    I even like Ben from Ethiopia First: 11 years ago I noticed he was an ethiopian nationalist but not a weyanai and I am an Eritrran nationalist but not a hgdefite and I reached out to him in some “people to people” thing. Don’t google it but I wrote an article about it: I got it him Abraham Afewerki CD and he got me Zeritu Kebede CD. (Stop laughing at “Asha Hamashenai.”)

    Here he just got played. And he got played by Aboy Sebhats roaming cadres from his improbably named “Ethiopian International Institute for Peace.” I even know the guy who recruited him.

    The Egyptians had a famous play called “Ana wreak wezemen Tewil.” That’s my mantra. My cousin Sem will translate what it means because he knows it’s literal meaning:). But he won’t really know what it means in real life because, in the immortal words of the great Nitricc, he is toothless 🙂

    saay

    • Ted

      SAAY, who is Asha hamashenai here. Ben played you good. For what it worth you got good CD in return. she is cute and her slow jazz style is easy on your shoulders if you ever try to enjoy it with “eskista”. The Aboy sebhat group has failed the race miserably. The race to sell IA to Ethiopians by ESAT and the Eshy Goytay selling TPLF to us. ESAT had a harder challenge considering the current political environment and our past history” Ye shaebia Wenbedei” but still they managed to make a little dent on people’s perception. One of the factors skewing the balance towards the ESAT group is, their ablity to get the ears of the people regardless of their weak organization and during the interview, IA was portrayed as a vanguard of Ethiopian unity and sure enough IA played his assigned part very very well which by the way would be more palatable to Ethiopians if Eritrean opposition said what IA said from some where other than “tush tush” of TPLF. Ask Abi, ” Yeberewen wileta wesedew feresu, ehilune teshekemo tolo bemedresu.”

      • saay7

        Hey Ted:

        But sir I admitted I was the “Asha Hamashenai” here:) I got played by Ben who got played by Aboy SebHat.

        I can’t enjoy Zeritu anymore because she has joined the long list of Ethiopian artists who discover God in their mid-life crisis and insist on singing nothing but his praises. If you are really cynical, you would say this is a self-serving move from artists who no longer want to tour but collect a check while just standing. If you disagree with what I am saying please feel free to blame Eyob Medhane. He is responsible for everything.

        saay

      • saay7

        PS:

        By the way, Ted, did you know that ESAT has a weekly news roundup and last week (week ending Suday) that had no news on the alleged Gnbot 7/Arbegna military op in Ethiopia that madote.com published in its website crediting ESAT for the news? This is one of the reasons that got me to concluded that last weeks BOG Earthshaking news about Ethiopian Air Force was a stealth war (Internet proxy war) between madote and Ben’s Ethiopia First. Fano!

        So. Something happened at Nevsun on Mar 20. An Eritrean opposition didn’t claim credit for it. The Ethiopian government didn’t follow the April 2012 (yeah we did it, we will do it again, and there’s nothing Eritrea can do about it.) who does that leave us with? Disgruntled mine workers? EDF? An opposition group with no typewriter?

        saay

  • Ayneta

    Test:
    Another tseyki commentary from you……..I am not sure of you truly grasp the real gist of AH’s article. He is decrying the narrow perspective we have adopted to look at our situation. He never implied he was hopeless, but rather he is frustrated we are using the the sovereignty card to shut emerging ideas/issues and as an excuse not to dig out the real issues which are at the heart of our predicament. I cant understand why you have to write all this gibberish about him. Could it be that you couldn’t comprehend the crux of his arguments given the sophisticated form of his writing?

    • tes

      Dear Ayneta,

      First of all, I would like to re-introduce you about my main topic of the piece. It reads, “Eventhough your political bissection is as what it exists in reality, being not free from such incidences makes you part of the pool system.”. And during my second sentence, I wrote, “I may not go now in detail to state the pros and cons of your article…”. This is what you didn’t read actually and what you by yourself failed to understand my argumentative crux.

      Well, let me now bring the pos and cons of the article, Kokhobe Selam, Mizaan and Abi, I call you to join Ayneta.

      1st paragraph:

      “Theorists think about synchronism or simultaneous occurrences and assume reliable approaches. Practitioners on the far side think about copout and worry about collisions.”

      First of all, who are the theoritists and practioners in Eritrean politics? And where is the leadership that is supposed to act as a bridge to reconcile these two groups? Above all, why there is a need to reconcile these two as far as their world is different? As far as I understand, reconcilation is done between practitioners. Theorists are harmless unless they got a receptive hand from the practioners.

      Or Amanuel is calling for an effective leaders to closes the gap between theory and practice. As thoerists are theorists, they will always be strange to readers and they will still continue to be strangers. If theorists fail, nothing fails except their ideas. On the contrary, Practioners are the visibleones and if they do a mistake, the impact is visible and it affects all.

      Contemplating on this single paragraph pros and cons will induldge to my inner-self and I am afraid not to write a text-book about this single counter argument. I therefore let you to know upto how much deep I can go into. I suppose you are wise and hence I have hinted.

      2nd paragraph:

      “The Eritrean political culture is driven by various “group interests” charged with absolute psychological forces who are on perpetual collision against each other.”

      His later arguments are clear whether Amanuel is free from group interests or not but it is self-contradictory. But I would like to bring here as it can save me from another exhaustive contemplation. Amanuel Hidrat and his friends (political friends) advance for complete system change and the the other group advance for reformed group. It is within this collision that a bitter debate is on due here at awate forum. How can then he be out of the pool and act as a judge stating that he is occasionally encountered by figurative fatal arguments as he tried to recall his 2012 experience?

      3rd paragraph:

      “This articles, however, will not focus on solution to the Eritrean predicament…”

      He is talking about what then? About his own experience? ABout political culture…? ABout, about…what? Can”t understand why he then went to such detailed discussion of Eritrean culture if he doesn’t mean to focus on solutions? Talking about culture tells you who are. And one knows who he is, nothing more is worth as solution. All psychological books, all the eastern philosophy and spiritual books talk about to know your self. Knowing yourself is what it makes you wise. And if there is wisdom, everything is there. Amanuel Hidrat failed utterly.

      But wait, even he didn’t finish his single sentence and he continued, “…rather, it’ll focus on the culture of the politics that hinders moving forward”. Just self-contradictory sentence.

      I could have continued to to look into the proceeding paragraphs seriously but wha he wrote within this 3rd paragraph made me to think about Amanuel’s hopelessness and I called him to be strong once again for what ever political nature we have. I could have dropped by from quoting this but I will be forced to do so. Brother Amanuel Hidrat wrote,

      “…its’ inherent refusal to grow up from a childhood politics, which I characterized as a proto-version of Never Land.”

      Well, did he wrote,

      Chidlhood,

      Never Land

      I knew before the Never Land of Micheal Jackson but not about the film character (http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Pan_%28character%29). But all are within the same circle, Jackson creating his imaginative but real Never Land and the film as what Amanuel wrote.

      The rest are just educational. And Amanuel Hidrat became a professor of political science. His lectures are wonderful. This means, I lost Amanuel Hidrat, the one that I consider him as my mentor, not a theoritist but as a practitioner. Contradictory.

      After finishing the article, I put Amanuel Hidrat infront of me and tried to diagonize his identity. I just got lost in the mean.

      These are my simple questions

      Is Amanuel Hidrat a political theorist or a practitioner?
      Is he a leader that tries to reconcile two non-parallel existentialists?
      Why Amanuel is fighting with children? He is a grown-up, matured and a well-respected theoritist? practiioner? Leader?, you name it.
      Why then he wanted to live in the imaginary land, according to his words, “The Never-Land”?
      Or, he just wants to observe people living in the Never Land?

      Is Amanuel a distinguished professor of political science or the one that I know him as a fighter since the 1970s?

      More, he argued on the state of sovereignity and made his central argument with his counter group. I am afraid but if he is in line with Semere Andom, the one that he never failed to call the Eritrean Sovereignity as “Fake” or as that of Khalid Abdu, “Nothing wrong with compromise”?

      One paining experience Amanuel shared with us is the labelling methodology deviced by his counter groups. Aha, I don’t know why he feels such labelling? Politics is about everything and only thick-skinned people can survive no matter what kind of labeling or insulting is followed.

      Anyway, this article is worth to contemplate about to expose many things but time is not my friend at this time to go further.

      tes

  • Peace!

    Araya,

    It is so funny when people trying to lecture about “principle” using different nicknames: started with Guest then Ermias, then Gherhi, then back to Guest, then Biniam, and now Mizan. Actually I like Mizan it perfectly matches her personality.

    regards

  • Hope

    Dear Aman Hidrat:
    Good summary and analysis of Eri Politics!
    The big question is:
    How can we do better?
    Hope you will ce up with a follow Article as to how improve things!

  • Kokhob Selam

    the bad thing is he ignore your post. When someone ignore and don’t reply it, he is automatically sending strong massage “your post is not worth replying”.

  • habte

    Dear Araya
    I think Awate is a forum where we exchange ideas for the good and betterment of our nation. If you have a new idea or an opinion to challenge the article by Amanuel bring it up and let the readers be the judge, otherwise accusing someone without any kind of proof shows your weakness and this doesn’t help you to mature and doesn’t help the Awate audience either
    Habte

  • Hayat Adem

    Araya,
    Ahhhh, you came back for this cheap shot! Please beware of the new rules. You can’t accuse someone of something unless you can substantiate. You can’t establish Emma appease Weyanne for free ticket. If you are willing to vacation in Ethiopia and pay for your ticket to Addis while at the same time hating Ethiopians, what makes you think others like Emma who have no bad feelings about Ethiopia and Ethiopians can’t go by themselves and pay for their ticket? Imagine, people like Emma were once ready to give their only life for what they thought was best for Eritrea and Eritreans at one time when they joined the Fronts in the filed. You think it is a big deal to pay for a thicket for such people who were ready to pay their lives? Please, come with an idea or stay on fallow until one comes to you brain.

    • Araya

      Hi Hayat
      The New policy should apply to you first and for most. You are fake and unsubstantiated. Aren’t you too old for this forum anyways? Obviously; you must have no life and miserable at that. You are on this forum 24-7 defending Tegaru. There is nothing you can do that I own Addis and I enjoy all the
      finest there is to be enjoined. I didn’t say Mekele.

  • tes

    Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

    Eventhough your political bissection is as what it exists in reality, being not free from such incidences makes you part of the pool system. I may not go now in detail tostate the pros and cons of your article but I see Amanuel Hidrat becoming hopeless after such long and relentless political journey.

    I call you therefore to join to a new political wave that is rejuvenating from all dimensions. Be open to critical critics and if possible a blow to your political principle. I myself will be ready from now on words to challenge you in every aspect. I have read the weakness in you and I will punch that. if you can absorb and still survive, or create an opposing reaction that keeps your ideals right, I will see.

    But keep in your mind, the weakness I saw within your lines is not of your political principle but the methodology you used during the outreach programs. Recenlty I saw Amanuel Hidrat who calls one person (to saay7) for a political mission and he believed that it will be for an ultimate outcome. This is your weakness. I never expected this type of Amanuel Hidrat. I was following Amanuel who can sit face to face with saay7, discuss, debate and challenge to make his ideals work during the dimplomatic process. Converging to Saay7’s outreach program exposed the incapable Amanuel in making his political propositions easily reachable and accessible. But now I see the disclosure of such big ideals.

    I am the one who is influenced by your politics of theoretical thinking. I took people’s grievances as my base. I rejected ideals that are based on power and legitimacy of historical outcomes. But now, I am left alone. Worse, you called it “the NEVER LAND”.

    Dear Amanuel Hidrat, you couldn’t make an open and lively political debate with big Awate forumers and founders like Saay7, Saleh Johar, Mahmud Saleh, just to mention some. Your clash is of different type and very complex but of a natural phenomenon within the Eritrean politics. To bring it how it looks to the surface,

    1. When you clash with saay7 on where he was (legitimacy and where you were)

    2. When you fight with Mahmud Saleh, it was like this not like that.

    3. When there is a fight with Saleh Johar, “it is because of that that we are different”

    4. A skirmish fight with young people like me not because of ideals but during trials, “hi, keep your mouth because you have to learn more”. Just to mention some.

    This is an almost one year and half observation coming from student of Awate University. You can understand therefore even your students are reading a battle that is originated from the “Never-Land”.

    As an academic person and still a student, I want to tell you one thing honestly: “Eritrean New-generation Revolution is on its fermentation process. Distillation follow soon.”

    Hence, your Never-Land politics is a place where you stand for not where the Eritrean people stand for. We Eritreans did it before and we will do it now no matter when and how. In my political fantacy, I have no time scale but a belief.

    To conclude, I call you to be strong again. I know how you consider this piece of mine but it is a beginning of declaring a freedom from the Never-Land’s politics. FREEDOM of all taboos and moving to a new political wave.

    tes

    • teweldino

      Fasten your belts Ato Amanuel. Looks like you’re in for a good old Newtonian Therapy.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Teweldino,

        Actually, he tried to give me excessive Newtonian therapy. When medical professional give drug therapy, there is this thing, what we call “drug holiday” a period of “drug withdrawal” or “structured treatment interruption” to reduce the side effect. I would like you to advice to the “Newtonian therapist” to give me an interval of time to allow me some recuperation of normal function “after the initial therapy” while maintaining the sensitivity of the therapy. Otherwise overdose kills the purpose. Teweldino don’t you think so?

        Regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • teweldino

          This therapy is no ordinary treatment. You were in for unlicensed treatment which has not passed FDA approved trials. I hope the therapist has got the message about lack of structure and moderation in his therapy.

    • Mizaan

      Mr. Tes, excuse me but you are full of crap. What is your point? I read a lot of your posts and I don’t know what you are fighting for. You are trying to look good in the eyes of two or three people but you have no principle whatsoever. Call a spade a spade. Saay7 has been making comments that are more of a joke than anything else. This is exactly how Saay7 is described:

      “For decades, the Eritrean politics didn’t grow and mature; political consciousness didn’t grow beyond national consciousness. It didn’t move an inch outside the circle of nationalism. All the political mobilization is about nationalism and how to defend a sovereignty state.” Courtesy of AH.

      Tell me where else Saay7 makes any arguments other than blind nationalism. His call for IA’s head is an example. I don’t want to go on and one on that.

      Amanuel Hidrat’s article is factually correct. You, as an Eritrean elite, do not have any objectivity except blind nationalism. You are intolerant of differing ideas. You interactions with Selam are revealing. I called her shillu but my limited tigrinya but I was actually trying to call her Shiol, like wuuy seb because she was commenting every two minutes or so.

      Anyway, your attack on the person of AH is very infantile. The man has been fighting for the likes of you and me, the young generation, all his life. What he is calling for is a conciliatory message. He is asking us to be mature and tolerant. Count how many level heads there are in this forum and this is all our elites. I asked AH specifically who his article was about and he said it is for the likes of you and I, Tes.

      You need to be bold, trust your instincts and express your ideas freely. If Saay7 or Saleh Johar or whoever end up putting you on their blacklist, so be it because you would have sacrificed for your principles. Your attack on Hayat Adem was also beyond anything I expect from someone who calls himself an academic. Have a cool head. You do not have an integrity otherwise you wouldn’t be following Gheteb and Saay7, who are blinded by extreme nationalism and all objectivity is buried. Who is going to die for you all nationalists now? Why don’t you go and fight for your beloved country. wediya men hiji ke kitefalkum. All the things you are writing, you only lose your credibility and from how I know Mr. Johar, I would be very surprised if he is impressed by what you have been saying to AH and HA. Be yourself and be honest.

      • tes

        Dear Mizaan,

        I didn’t state that AH wrote his article based on unfounded discourses. In fact I wrote clearly in my first sentence that what he wrote is based on what it is. I have explained roughly why I called AH to be strong as the struggle is not yet finished. AH called our existence as the Never Land. If we are, it is because of AH and likes. I said AH and likes because they have stayed as active playres with in the Eritrean politics no matter where they are.

        Neverthless, I never discredit their contribution. I am now within the pool and we will see if we can bring change together.

        Aha, man, you are tellingme how I reacted with people like selam, Hayat and so on. Well, yes, I acted and I know what I did. I rejected Hayat’s open call for Ethiopian intervention inside Eritrea. I exposed the satanic mission of selam from her head-quarter, the PFDJ. Are you not happy with that? I will not be the one who will change my nick-name because someone characterized me as such. You are in fact a man who exposed fully your hopelessness and people came to support you from being descouraged and dumped to the unknown world.

        Concerning my principle, I have a principle and how people see it is upto them. I have no power to change on how people perceive me. As tes, I know who I am and deal with my principle. The good thing is I never work to please anyone except my conscience. I respect rules and international norms. I will never even give-up my rational thinking during the critical time of dispair and question about Eritrean history, sovereignity, bla bla or openly direct my pen like your teacher YG, to erase my identity.

        Concerning saay7, I don’t know how you are relating me. I am number and urdent criticizer of his principle. For the last one year stay here at awate, the only time I someone agreed with his approach is in his latest article. But this doesnot mean that I endorseed him fully. And at the same time, I see an advantage for having different political views. It is our beauty.

        For more, I have invited you to join for my kind of serious criticism regarding AH’s article.

        tes

        • Mizaan

          Dear Tes,

          Aside from a couple uncalled for statements, I am in good understanding with you. No need to keep going on this because ultimately, you, AH, and me are all on the same side of the fence. We want the complete and total demise of IA and his regime. That is enough reason for us to love each other. Thank you! No harm meant.

    • Kokhob Selam

      tes,

      This is your observation for the last year and half, I have my observation for the last 35 or more years in Eritrean politics. and the same in journey of AH. Say7 for the last at least 14 years SGL for more than that. those all own great experience in our national struggle. AH was always (from the beginning) among the best principled men I saw. through his long journey he has experienced people from different Ideology and different tendencies. it is the same with SGL (when you said he is from fine thought you were right). Saay7 is very much intelligent and fast all are very important people for us. those guys are leaders by the way and to have differences is normal, that is what we should accept. Saay7, with all difficulties he face he has high moral working hard to find solutions. I really respect him. he examine things from different sides and even challenges to find the truth.

      your role and my role is here to learn from them and to make their lines connected. If today Amanuel comes with an idea that I don’t agree, I will tell him right away and if I have to oppose the idea I will. After all he is human being and has his limits.

      Tes, if you see it deeply what is the difference between Saay7 and Amuni, nothing principal, it is in the method they are debating. Example AH believe change of Idea while Saay7 believe so. Yet, AH believes changing IA alone is not solution while Saay concentrate in change of IA. but both wan t change in Eritrea. now for me Saay7 is just discussing (that may not his stand). but I know AH is totally serious about it. If you and me make a cocktail of the two ideas it is not a crime. for example we join people who are PFDJ side but want to change IA and change the Idea of lawlessness and come with new Idea.

      debate it , but don’t widen their differences. don’t say Amanuel is correct and Saay7 is wrong but come with your idea and let your view support one automatically instead of trying to please one.

      • tes

        Dear KS,

        First of all, Iwould like to tell you that there important comments addresssed to me but failed to respond. It is not what I chose but for acceptable reasons. Hope you will understand what I mean.

        To fucus to this particular comment, when I started to identify the school of thoughts, it is not my invention but what I learned throgh observation. Hence, you are right about me, as a student and I need to learn more. But you, KS, I am learning from you. But if you are pretending as if you are learning yet, I think you are killing yourself. You have many worth reading sentences to be refered except your habeshanism lines. As you stated, I debate when I see lines that are creating collisions within my course.

        As for the widening differences, the whole content of Amanuel’s article is about the existing differences. why then you endorsed his whole article as an educationary but you are humbly criticing for explaining as they are?

        In fact, as AOsman said it, I believe that the existence of such differences is good for the democratization process of future Eritrea. It is because of this political differences that awate forum has a live debate. Through debate we grow. I am not actually afraid of our differences. If I were, I could have abondoned my family log time ago after learning even my brothers are of different coloured with me. The wisdom is therefore not to be afarid of difference but to speak about the difference for good. It is within this philosophical thinking that I identified the Eritrean School of thought so that they can be a base for future Eritrea. I even once equiated them as the “democrats Vs Republicans” or as ‘Right and Lift wings” of our future politics. If you take this therefore as creating widening, KS, I can safely say, you are ready for a heated debate in the democratic debate.

        I am all for positive.

        What can you do by the way if your mother comes and disargue with your political line of thinking?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJiUQ_CunUU

        And suppose you are in the crowds of parliamentary session and got a childish response?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAa9VmwOaI
        tes

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear tes,

          Thank you. late but I read you comment and was interesting. one point here you said “f you are pretending as if you are learning yet, I think you are killing yourself.” everyone of us has his quality but everyone of us is here in this world to learn allow me to put it in my language.

          ከምተረድኦይ እንተኾይኑ ወዲ ሰብ ክነቅሕ -ክምዕብል -ክዓቢ እዩ ተፈጢሩ ::ሕጂ ዝተፈላለይ ብሂላት ነዚ ዘንጸባርቕ ኣብ ቅዱስ መጻሕፍቲ ንረክብ ኢና : እቲ ቅዲ ኣገልግሎት ኣምላኽ ደኣ ይፈላለ እምበር – እቲ ሸቶ ሓደን ሓደን እዩ -ሰብ ክነቅሕ እዩ ተፈጥሩ ዝብል ሓጺር ገለጻ ክህብ ይመርጽ :: ኣብ ውሽጥና ብዙሓት ከየስተብሃልናሎም ዝፍጠሩን ዝሓልፉን ፈላስፋታት ከይተረፉ ነዚ መልእኽቲ እዮም ኣሕሊፎም :: ካብ ህልዋት ዘድንቆም ሰብ ኪነት ሃገርና ዑስማን ዓብደርሒም ውን “ወዲ ሰብ ኮይነ ኢሉ ንስቃይ እዩ ተፈጢሩ” ኢሉ ክደርፍ እንከሎ ዘመሓላልፎ መልእኽቲ ብስቃይ ኣቢልካ ዝሕለፍ ምህሮን ተሞክሮን ንምንጽብራቕ እዩ ዝነበረ ::

          እሞ ግን ተፈጥሮ ማዕረ ግዳ ኸኣ ገደብ ኣልቦ ክእለት ዘለዎ ሓንጎል ኣብ ሞንጎ ክልተ ኣእዛና ኣቀሚጣትልና ክንሳ ኣብ ኣጠቓቅማ እዚ ነጻ ህያብ ዘርኣናዮ ጻዕሪ ሓደ ኣይመስልን ::ከምቲ 24 ሰዓታት ናይ ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ማዕረ ተዋሂቡና ክንሱ ገለን ኣብ መዓላ ገለን ከኣ ከንቱ ከነጥፍኦ ንርኣዮ ማለት እዮ ::

          ብርግጽ ሓደ ሰብ ዝገበሮ ፍርያት ወይ ዝበጸሖ ደረጃ ክእልት እቲ ኻልእ ክገብሮ ዘይክእለሉ ምኽንያት ከቶ የለን ::ግዕ ከኣ እቶም ነቲ ዘለዎም ኣእምሮ ዝተጠቀምሉ ካብ ‘ቶም ዘይተጠቀምሉ ንላዕሊ ክብረት ክወሃቦም ይግባእ :: እቲ ምንታይ ሲ ነቲ ሕጊ ባህርይ ዝኾነ “ምምዕባል” ዝብል ኣምር ኣብ ምትግባር ዘሎ መስርሕ ካብ ‘ታ ውልቃዊ ነብሶም ንላዕሊ ነቲ ከምኦም ዝኾነ ሰብ ስለ ዘገልግል ::

          ማሕተማ ጋንዲ ይኹን ኣንስታይን ወይ ውን ካለኦት ንዓለምና ኣብ ደረጃ ‘ዚ ሕጂ በጺሓቶ ዘላ ምዕባለ ዘብጸሕዎ ውጽኢት ስረሖም ኣይተጠቀምሉን የግዳስ ነቲ ጎዳና ምዕባለ ብምቅራጾም ክብሪ ለቢሶም ::

          ጉዕዞ ቀጻሊ እዩ – ንሓንሳብን ንሓዋሩን ዝተሰርሐን ዝተጨረሰን ስራሕ የለን : ገና ክሉ ሰብ ክሰርሖ ዘለዎ ስረሓት ተጨሪሑ እዩ ዝጽበዮ ዘሎ : ገና ክንመሃር ኢና ተፈጢርና – ክንምዕብልን ካብ ደረጃ ናብ ደረጃ እናተሰጋገርናን ጥራይ ኢና ናብ ፈጣሪ ንቀርብ ::

          የቀንየለይ

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            In fact this is what I said for what I said. Anyway,

            I would like to ask you one question. As you clearly stated, “ወዲ ሰብ ክነቅሕ -ክምዕብል -ክዓቢ እዩ ተፈጢሩ”. Then, what is next after consciousness? Will he live pretending that he is raising consciousness? Mind you though I am not int practice of Transcedence or Enlightenment. Consciousness is means not an end by itself. That is why the first course for revolutionaries is about consciousness.

            I may agree with you if you are working upyo complete emancipation, the ecstacy, the ultimate happiness, being like the white cloud, just being as simple as you are and in a complete harmony with nature and within yourself. Let’s keep this our common dream, but during the discourse, we reach to certain form of consciousness in which we can also teach people. You are one that reached this level. You never failed to teach us peace. And this is your quality. Even during bitter reaction, you have a capacity to absorb. Amanuel Hidrat, despite all the wisdom he has, he needs one more thing to learn: to be absorvant as that of Saay7 and you and especially like Saay7. I doubled saay7 because he is always encountered with strong reactions but he absorbs.

            Therefore, tell me, what is consciousness in your world view? And for what purpose are you in such long discourse of consciousness giving courses? Remember, even Budha took him only 40 years to get fully enlightened and his contributions are what we read and hear today. And you, you have being for about 40 years in the world of Eritrean politics. What level of enlightenment or transdenence are you now?

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            “Grem Zibele Zereba Ni’Mestewaeli.” The message: “ወዲ ሰብ ክነቅሕ -ክምዕብል -ክዓቢ እዩ ተፈጢሩ.”

    • Abi

      Tes
      My hope is Ato Amanuel ignore this collection of words without meaning. Sorry, I cant take it anymore.
      You wrote pages and said nothing.

  • Bayan Nagash

    Selamat Aman,

    The way in which you dissect Eritrean political culture can only come from someone who had experienced its periods of incubation, its era of amalgamation, its disintegration, and its triumphs and its failures. I concur with your assertion below:

    “For decades, the Eritrean politics didn’t grow and mature; political consciousness didn’t grow beyond national consciousness. It didn’t move an inch outside the circle of nationalism. All the political mobilization is about nationalism and how to defend a sovereignty state. There is no new political impetus of nationalistic-democratic ideals in the mix that can inspire citizens for collective discussions, deepened through public input and guided by revolutionary intellectuals who are pro-democracy
    and justice. We are many people with a blend of many views, but we can’t move beyond the blinders of our perception and group politics. So, instead of making progress, we are regressing to children’s politics.”(Amanuel, Awate.com, 2015)

    It is in the recognition of the regression from nationalistic aspirations of when it was conceived and in the cognizance of accurately measuring the temperature of where we are today that will help us in retooling and repurposing toward “nationalistic-democratic ideals in the mix that can
    inspire citizens for collective discussions”. To snap-out from our “group politics” stupor we must first correctly diagnose that that is what’s going on. It is in the realization of the fact that “[w]e are many people with a blend of many views” that compelled me and continues to impel me to support mosaic
    Eritrean groups to come to the fore and become part and parcel of the sociopolitical discourse. Time and again, I will continue to repeat this, the days of pretensions of nationalism in exclusion of group affiliation is over. It is incumbent upon each and every Eritrean generation to take lock, stock, and
    barrel assessment of the personal self before it can be translated to the
    national self that can unify the opposition.

    With the demise of the ELF from the field, a crisis of personal sorts began to emerge, because of the leadership vacuum that was created in the absence of ELF, its adherents were left clamoring to rediscover their God, their culture, their language, their heritage, their group affiliations, thereby, slowly but surely began a retreat toward one’s own. The Jebertis found comfort in their own kind, the Sahos the same, the Afaris, the Kunamas, and the Lowlanders no different. This default alignment continued
    unabated until 1991 when Eritrea became independent. But, the systematic exclusion of Eritreans who did not subscribe to the EPLF’s political views helped maintain the defaulted alignment of each groups aforementioned, at least abroad. Of course, with the failure of EPFDJ, we are now seeing some of those who had complete allegiance to EPLF/EPFDJ are aligning with their respective biher or their respective religious groups or whatever dispositions in which they draw comfort from.

    After, almost, three decades of trying to call on unified opposition, it is like asking those who retreated into their respective trenches to come out of their cocoons, an impossible endeavor to accomplish.
    What is the incentive for each group to align with anyone, especially, those who have marginalized them for all these years? So, going back to basics may save the day.

    Aman, thank you for standing out like a sore thumb in the field of anachronistically inclined political discourse, whose writings lead to nowhere, but to the walls of a cul-de-sac, if you like.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Merhaba Beyan,

      Thanks for your vote of confidence. Indeed our politics is always ending in a circular turnaround. No progress whatsoever since I have known it in the armed struggle. We are stuck with nationalism politics even when the nationalism issue is resolved with our national sovereignty in our hand. Beside that there is another issue that really bothers me. You see Beyan I am sick and tired when “social grievances” are taken as “sub-national” issue in the name of “liberalism” for their parochial group interest. You know to whom I am referring. I am really happy all the social grievances came to the surface in all shapes and forms, and for all intents and purpose, to formulate a fundamental solutions to our political crises once for all in a round table. There is no way other than addressing the grievances out there in the public domain, sincerely and equitably.

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Amanuel,

        I observe too much reading from the Weyane book 🙂 . That entails political price exacted from the moral-high priests right there who think they can goad people to their tight spectrum of world-view. The role they play in building consensus is proportional to the extent of their ability to recognize people’s right to organize in any form they see it deem(as far as it’s anchored to legal grounds). Try to reduce the pain though as things will follow their natural course any way.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Amuni,

    Fantastic educational and timely Article. But this should be written in Tigrigna and Arabic. really if I had enough knowledge to put this article I could translate it – never hesitate to put. ኢድ ይባርኽ !

  • Mizaan

    Selamat Amanuel,

    When you talk about Eritrean politics and political culture, are you talking about the entire population? If you are addressing the people in this forum, the people in your political organization or in your circles, you are absolutely correct. Our elites are still in political infancy. We are still intolerant of others’ ideas. The primary motivating factor is personal experience rather than what is good for the collective masses. We are supporters of PFDJ until the brutality of this system hits home. The elites are opportunists. Why are we all writing using nicknames (myself included)? Why are we hiding? We are overseas where PFDJ cannot make us pay for any of our actions. But we fear being labelled as such and such and being isolated from PFDJ events. The other thing is we have families with diametrically opposing views of where the country is headed under PFDJ so a lot of people oppose the regime but they do it in hiding. This is where the problem lies. We are not honest to ourselves, our communities, our families. But why? This arises because of intolerance. We do not tolerate differing views. It is either you are with us or you are against us.

    But if we talk about the majority of the Eritrean population, who are trapped under PFDJ in Eritrea, there is no political culture, political system. This is how politcal culture is defined:

    “A political culture is a set of attitudes and practices held by a people that shapes their political behavior. It includes moral judgments, political myths, beliefs, and ideas about what makes for a good society.”

    The key phrase to me is ‘what makes for a good society.’ Our people do not have any input nor are they allowed to have an opinion, judgement, or ideas as to what makes a good society.

    For a society like ours, the government needs to help the people achieve their basic needs and institute a political culture. But the regime has not gotten to a point where people have basic needs met. Please look at the chart below. I know it is for the individual and I got it from Maslow. But it applies to our society and we are still at the Safety level in my opinion.

    But again if you article applies to the elites, I agree that it is a shame we are still in political infancy because most of the elites have narrow self interests ahead of the public good.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ይበል ይበል ! እንታይ ገዲፍካ!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mizan,

      The message of the title is intrinsically to the Eritrean political community not the Eritrean people per se. Our reality and the possible lessons are there, if we can do something.

      regards,

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Amuni, I notice the attention of Mizan should be more at topic to Eritrean community-he is but gone wider than being specific (Dear Mizan correct me if I am wrong). But I admire how much he has gone to see things within short time. I can see he has very good future in participating in our political arena for positive results. don’t you think so Amuni ?

  • selam

    It would be nice for people to consider to look back , and ask what the heck does it happen ? How does it work to dissolve an isolated , defeated old man with no money and no political force ? He is staying even after sending 350,000 young men to the sea and ……… The past 15 years were the most excruciating years to the Eritrean youth and the population in general yet IA and his cronies hold on. Does this mean he is way smart than all , does this mean the system that he is working on is controlling our left side of brain. How does one man who has the habit of killing his comrades stay in power by using the same system for almost 40 years. Have you ever traveled by bus Enda Harogot , like ? Have you seen how the door of the bus works ? Please some one from Asmara especially these 4 Asmara or vilagio ginio comment about the door ,it is quite similar to the Eritrean opposition and PFDJ. Just there is one difference when you want to close the door takes too much time but when you want to open it is a click, the later looks to our opposition.

    Here is the reality
    A. IA and his cronies are using the same method as the opposition to fool the Eritrean people so do they stay.
    B. IA and his cronies are well organised on their way of doing business far better the opposition. Prove still they have so many organizations in the west
    C. Weyane government does helped IA to stay in power by creating disorganized opposition groups.
    D. Eritrean opposition groups has never ever communicated with the Eritrean people in an open and honest way possible
    E. The communication between all Eritrean opposition is quite old and not better than PFDJ
    The list goes on and on. But the most crushing factor is that the Eritrean people has never ever saw weyane as a helping hand. Prove the 3 day propaganda bonanza in which news that are lies over lies that make the Eritrean opposition sites and PFDJ sites go crazy. How do the owners of tigraionline , asmarino independent want us to believe a foto shop picture as a fact.Does the false news matter in politics , it does help if you can manipulate but if you can not manipulate well it will kill you. so it is better if the opposition come clean and communicate with the Eritrean people in a very open way. They can not go with blame and shame tactic and win the blessing of the Eritrean people. Come clean dump weyane way of doing business and work with the Eritrean people and crush IA.

  • Hayat Adem

    Emma,
    Very timely note. I always feel your pain when we all get entangled at each other and waste a precious time and brain on negational and inconsequential matters while there crisis conditions at home elevating themselves to a collapsing emergency situation by the day. It is always good to get of from the front row and sit at the far back row for a wide-angle view that gives enough horizon that includes the entire Eritrean (and not only a tiny part) and Eritrea’s context (and not Eritrea in isolation). I think there is a need to move to a functional culture. I believe we can optimally define our general thoughts and mission focused actions.

    1) Can we at least see the immediate danger we should prioritize and budget our full energy around with a sustained focus until we change the situation for the better?

    2) Can simultaneously prepare ourselves for positively compatible role in the region and beyond while asserting the nationhood we’ve been aspiring for?

    3) Can we consciously guard of all spaces that help the above two engagements and consciously ward off all negative activities and attitudes that undermine the above two objectives?

    Hayat

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Hayat,

      As we speak we are not there to debate on broad range of national interest as you put it in your inquiry (1,2,3). No one know so far when we can start to debate on big issues based on priorities. The Eritrean political communities are still in “fist fighting” on personalities issues. The socio-politcal grievances are there eating our social fabric, the economy of the nation is tattering, and the serfdom of our people is pushing our young to leave our nation. In the face of these tragic circumstances, we are talking about the role of individuals and organizations on the past history. In short my answer is no. Our political community has yet to grow and mature to address big issues to resolev our predicament. Not yet.

      Regards,

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Amanuel,

        I think the answer should be Yes in limited stage. We can’t say most of the parties and intellectuals with knowledge can do it. But in accomplishing the first stage or phase into higher we are automatically answering the questions of Hayat as yes. again if there is a group or party who manages to let his members awaken he can play the leading role in working simultaneously prepare for positively compatible role in the region.

        you Amanuel, has written on how to go in creating peaceful and prosperous horn( I don’t know when but several times). those article iare part of the work although still only written in awate. what do you say teacher ?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Kokhbay,

          There are many lofty ideas better than mine out there. The problem is our consciousness can not mature beyond “national consciousness.” Until some groundbreaking of “stylistically innovative” idea come up to the front loading of our struggle, to make us work in unison, we will always live on the old-history talk. In short, it is not of lack of ideas, it is because of lack of commitment to good ideas out there.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

  • Peace!

    Dear Emma,

    It seems most concerned Eritreans had enough “lectures” and have already made their mind that Eritrean problems can only be solved by Eritreans. The major problem in the process of unified struggle against DIA is the Neo-Andnetists. Nobody thought DIA will be seating in his office and laughing at the opposition groups in 2015. Did you? So how about admitting defeat and let the young generation take over and give it a shot? The EthioBian government has neither helped itself nor the deeply divided opposition groups; more precisely TPLF and their Eritrean cadres (sellouts) have over played their cards and now, it is backfiring. Imagine DIA laughing in his office in 2015., Aygermekaan?

    regards

    • Saleh Johar

      Peace,

      Just for your information, at this moment, I can tell you that about 90% of the opposition is composed of the under forty age group–including the groups in Ethiopia. The facebook groups are more than that. What is the complaint about?

      • Peace!

        SJ,

        Good point! I just went over the name of the opposition leaders and they seem too old to represent the 90% young, under forty age.

    • Hayat Adem

      Peace!,
      While you are talking about old ages, your points about the opposition is the most repeatedly told old cliche and boring. In that one paragraph, you have stashed a lot of false claims. You would be right to criticize the opposition for not growing fast and well but your claim about something is “backfiring” on them is nothing other than a platitude. What is exactly is backfiring? You also said, DIA is laughing in his office in 2015. What does he get to laugh for: he is weak, isolated, deflated, aging and dying. Be my guest and enlighten my on how that is a laughing matter for the point of view of the person who is it?
      Hayat

      • Peace!

        Hayat,

        I thought you gave up on the toothless opposition groups (where is nitricay) and put Weyane on your speed dial? well the weak, isolated, deflated, aging and dying man is laughing because the weyane backed opposition groups are too exhausted to make progress despite unconditional support. The shock doctrine is wearing out, and majority Eritreans are not even moving an inch toward giving up to the backstabbers and their friends.

        regards

    • Semere Andom

      Yes, I did imagine DIA sitting in his office in 2015 and here is why:
      1. H mass arrested people and disappears them as early as 1993 and gets away with it
      2. His murders war disabled in broad day light he gets away with it and then tells the people we cannot slaughter lamb for the family of martyrs and gets away with it
      3. Freedom fighters who spent their youth struggling supposedly for liberty ended up elevating IA to the presidency and they have did no have guts to even ask the whereabouts of their fathers who EPLF disappeared in 1978 as they were accused as Ethiopian spies
      4. He disappears G-15 he gets away with it
      So yea, it did not require visionary to see that.
      Both the young and old have role in the struggle , the first for its energy vigor and can do attitude and the latter for its experience, institutional memory and to help with the skill that cannot be taught but can only learned.

    • Haile WM

      the Neo-Andnetists ?
      what is the aim of this supposedly “powerfull” group? which apparently are the ultimate factor in the making of faliure of the opposition ?

      Then what next ? the neo-rabiTa al islamiya will be blamed for the ultimate faliure in the future? or there will be the “Neo-Partito Eritrea Pro Italia” or maybe the neo-“maHber ShewAte”?

      parroting PFDJ style propaganda will only serve PFDJ and for sure DIA will laugh hard for you to parrot him “neo Andinet”

      • Peace!

        Hmm ..how about reading a little bit Eritrean History? It might save you from misusing question marks and excessive guessing 🙂

        • Haile WM

          your suggestion maybe suits you better… read more and you will see that andinet is the past not the present. The Neo’s are all in your mind and of-course the PFDJ are good in feeding your mind with “neo”-something from the past ghosts.
          Cheers

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Peace,

      Rather condemning for those of us who believe fighting the regime from all corners of the world, including from Ethiopia, show us your alternative as to how the strategical approach should be to rescue the Eritrean people, who are languishing to death under the PFDJ regime. Just to remind you, there are more organizations in the diaspora (in the western countries) than those who are in Ethiopia. You didn’t show us any tangible success in the struggle, nor do you show us to become an exemplary of becoming a united force to lead the opposition camp. When you are not the alternative force in the eye of the public, you can’t blame the other side who try to be the alternative solution. Get out from the blaming circles and become the alternative and we will become an additional strength to your “might and mission” if you have any at all. You don’t even seem knowledgeable about the Eritrean socio-politics.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Peace!

        Dear Emma,

        Actually you are right I am not knowledgable about the Eritrean socio-politics, and I have nothing to brag when it comes to Eritrean politics. However, I believe, it is about COMMON SENSE when it comes to seeking justice. Now, The serious problem with you is you think you can be a judge, a leader, a fighter, a mediator, an organizer ….May I keep going? My advise to you is: first reconcile with your own self; second, learn how to listen before you write a response. It is easier to debate with proud Ethiopians like T.Kifle than to debate with an Eritrean with two faces.

        Regards

        • saay7

          Selamat Peace:

          Apparently you didn’t get the memo: you are a blind nationalist 🙂 Things have been redefined by more thoughtful people than you:) don’t think independence, think inter-dependence. Don’t think sovereignty unconditionally; think of it within our given “kuwun’net.” Here’s former journalist Khaled Abdu telling you the enlightened way of thinking, you stubborn Eritrean. Jeez 😉 you can imagine all the you know who’s nodding their heads in agreement, can’t you?

          http://youtu.be/L2K9MyROYWc

          SAAY

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Cousin Sal:’
            There is no further to go.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Sem,

            Khaled’s position is not only bold, but also has a good grip as to the meaning of “sovereignty.” What I loved from his argument is, the way he relate the nature of our struggle with the concept of “sovereignty. The message was simple and that is “people who lost their sovereignty” can employ all the possible tools to regain their sovereignty. He put it in a crystal clear, People who lost their sovereignty can’t defend the soveriegnty of the land. He is not only a knowledgeable person, but also a good messenger to his knowledge. He is so good, he even convinced saay. Ti’om misset geyrulna Kaled. I will have good sleep tonight.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Cousin Sem:

            Please explain to Emma that Khaled Abdu did not convince me and that I was appreciating a man who has the conviction of his belief and says it candidly. You see Khaled would never have any qualms about having a press conference with the Ethiopian leaders unlike our other segae segae Ethiopianists 🙂 Of late he has been having meltdowns whenever I say anything so explain it slowly and be sure to say Ayay meArey:)

            SAAY

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Aya Emma:
            I am not sure of Saay is convinced, but nothing I disagree with KA. The people are behind about the Ethiopia thing

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Again you seem very knowledgeable guy on intervention. Just curious what would you advise to the Iraqis, Syrians, and Libyans to regain their sovereignty?

            regards

          • saay7

            Cousin Sem:

            Au contraire, there IS further to go as these two ladies tell us. The SelaHta Werar is on. This must warm your Pan-weyane heart cousin:)

            http://youtu.be/varXubqCxJA

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            tes,

            ናይ እዚአን ገደደ ኣበይ ኣለኻ tes? it seems there we are going to face a calculated risk. trust your own self and take action. Lol Yemen is facing it and the Egypt,Sudan, Ethiopian agreements recently seems a cloud in the sky. so why wait the unexpected, say SERAWIT HIDRI keep it up!

          • Peace!

            Selamat Saay,

            Thank you for sharing Saay, and Gheteb, hopefully your lower jaw is still attached to your face. If so, hang on to it, worse is to come. The weyane backed opposition groups are throwing the kitchen sink at follow opposition members in an effort to quell their frustration while TPLF is getting ready to celebrate for the upcoming election victory. The ironic is that the Eshi Goitay people don’t seem to get it is that there is “Change” and there is also “Sustainable Change” and the difference is crystal clear. By the way who sets the standard or conditions for intervention? Sebhat Negga, the same guy who advised Bush and NATO? Well let me tell you br.Khaled, (wedi akria wedi gezawtey neber) G.W Bush told us the same thing before he invaded Iraq, and Nato told us the same thing before the invasion of Libya and Syria. Do you think the people of these country are now seating on their couch and discussing on how wrong Kaheld Al-Mishaal was that they need to vote him out? you just wasted 46 minutes of my life that will never get back!

            regards

          • saay7

            Hi Peace!

            But u are misunderstanding Khaled Abdu, Sem Andom and Amanuel Hidrat. What they are saying is let’s remove Isaias with weyanes help and after we have reduced Eritrea to Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, then if u don’t like our decision, you can always vote us out of office because weyane will come up with a perfectly just and democratic syste just like it did in Tigray and ethiopia where democracy and freedom of expression flourish. In the state of tigray alone 23 years later there are sooooo many Tigrinya language newspapers so critical of TPLF not really . Doesn’t that sound very reasonable to you? You are so cynical. After all every foreign intervention tried anywhere in the world has worked out perfectly for all concerned.

            SAAY

            PS: I feel duty-bound to have some sarcasm on sarcasm off html tag for Amanuel because he is so literal.

          • Kokhob Selam

            እውይ ሳልሕ ሓወይ ኣነ ኣይ ኣምንን እየ እቲ ኻልድ በጺሕዎ ዘሎ ደርጃ ንቅሓት ኣይበጻሕካዮን ኢለ :: እዚ ሕጂ ኣብ የመን ንሑጢ ዝወርድ ዘሎ መህረምቲ ኮ ነቲ ገባቲ ጉጅለ ክንዮ ልዕላውነት ዝኸድ ጸረ ኣብ ውሽጢ ዘሎ ወዲ ሰብ ዘጽንት – ነቲ ዞና ውን ኣብ ሓደጋ ዘብጽሕ ስለዝኾነ እኳ እዪ ::

          • sara

            i have a yemeni friend who has family connection around the horn , she equates the hutis with weyane, that is their grievances, organization, politics, and of course their future plans. do you see this work in yemen as in ethiobia.

          • Abi

            Saay007
            look you are witty, sarcastic, ashmuregna, lib adriq, tenkolegna… You are someone I call full of life . I care less about your politics. I always find some kind of humor in your posts.
            On the other side , Ato Amanuel is always serious. He takes every sentence literally. Once I was joking about cooperation and integration with eritrea I got standing ovation from him. He took it literally. He is like a ” balager ” professor who has no time for a joke. He spent most of his adult life fighting not playing around .
            It is like ” Lost in Translation ” literally.
            I already know his response to me . I hear him saying
            “Abi, qeldna qizen bet yaTefal, ”
            Saay007 my advice for you never say never again. You know what I mean Mr Bond 🙂

          • saay7

            Abi.net:

            I will have it stirred not shaken…because you only live twice and tomorrow never dies though, u know, u can’t say never. Sometimes there has to be a Dr No to those on Her Emamaness Secret Service.

            Agree on ur assessment of Emma, which is really the cause of most of our friction. I actually stopped writing for that reason in January. Now Kokhob has borrow whatever magic want Emma used to misunderstand every other word and said let me make it more fun and misunderstand every word of SAAY. Yay!

            The only tenkol I ever know is Tenkolegna Kebede who was a neighbor of Lemana Mehammed (soft h.)

            saay

          • Amde

            Abi,

            whoever said “qeldna qizen bet yaTefal” never conceived of indoor plumbing.

            Amde

          • Amde

            Abi,

            whoever said “qeldna qizen bet yaTefal” never conceived of indoor plumbing.

            Amde

          • Kokhob Selam

            Peace,
            don’t believe Saay7. He can’t be against Khalld’s view, be careful,I am certain he is putting things to debate it. Lol !

          • AOsman

            Kokhob Nebsi,

            Khalid’s talk puts a clear line on the two thinking, if you think SAAY supports him, then you need to read him more carefully. The issue is about risk and its management, loosing sovereignty being a major factor under consideration.

            When we are incapable of making a dent on the current regime, out of desperation we may take any risk (included intervention) to remove the regime with the HOPE that things will be better.

            On the other hand, while of the status-quo is really bad, SAAY and those who agree are saying just consider the results of intervention around the world, which have bough worse conditions than before removal of the tyrants. Considering the politics in Ethiopia, SAAY states that intervention comes with a full package, you will not have a say to what follows and with a fragmented army/rebel groups you wont have a power to stop a civil war if it ensues. In such scenario, Ethiopia will instal a puppet government and then you have no claim to sovereignty.

            The two arguments are valid and I personally believe having such positions is healthy and needed. You need such gulf to keep the balance, but the two need to go their way and show results in their approach and stand on each others way (I know SAAY has made a point that winning hearts (HGDeFites) is difficult with the Ethio-oppo live and kicking) .

            Regardless, there is trend in opposition politics that a failure of one option is attributed to the group following another option, this may have some validity if each group are working in undermining the other while forgetting the target, changing the regime.

            If a person fails in life, you see that person attributing it to his family, his society or his government.etc….all blames deflected to others. Similarly this can happen on a group/organizational level. Like a drug addict, if the person or the group do not take responsibility and take action, the blame game will remain and the situation will only gets worse.

            DIA has played his game right, he managed to emasculate us all and at times we take comfort looking down at others who may be fare worse than us.

            Regards
            AOsman

            PS. I made general comment, as I don’t fully endorse one option, I tend to go for mix as long as it is progressive and lean to those who are armed and ready to protect their livelihood, if the regime tries to trample on their God given right to freedom and dignity.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I got it Osman, I learn important thing on your post. I will come back to you.tks

          • saay7

            Ahlen AOsman:

            Well let’s see what I can do to draw you to my side of the argument. Remember this is not about rejecting Ethiopia or even EPRDF led Ethiopia or even TPLF-led Ethiopia. It is the ascendant TPLF that truly believes in the late PM MZs vision of “we care more about Eritreans than Eritreans themselves”:

            1. Ethiopia with its Eritrean menajo (ask Abi what it means) launches an offensive against Eritrea.
            2. Because the PFDJ had seen this coming, it retreats to its base in Nakfa;
            3. Let’s indulge the fantasies of the “we will be accepted with flowers” menajo and say that 80% of the EDF surrenders, dispersed to Sudan and Ethiopia.
            4. There is still a 20% Isaias Republican Guard (3 divisions) plus DeMHT who have no place to go
            5. Ethiopia goes on its pacification campaign. Goes to Hamasien and tells the people we are the only ones who can protect u from Seraye and Akele. Goes to Seraye and tells them u are the only people of law. Goes to Akele and tells them its ur turn to lead.
            6. Then it goes west. But Sudan has already moved its people in the area. Do u know how many Eritrean-Sudanese dual nationals are veterans of Sudans civil wars (north v South; north v Darfur’s?) Estimated in the thousands
            7. Then the retreated PFDJ core gets reconstituted. Now u have a three sides civil war.

            saay

          • Shum

            Hey Saay7,

            “Goes to Seraye and tells them u are the only people of law” Music to their ears. How do you come up with this? I have to say that is a very astute observation.

          • saay7

            Selamat Shum:

            Please don’t be too impressed:) You know the proverb: ኣፍ ሰረወታይ ተትምጉተሉ ኣፍ ሓማሰናይ something something I can’t say in this family forum. That’s what TPLF will do in its divide-and-conquer. By the time the menajo (ask abi, weriduni) wake up to it, we won’t have a country:)

            saay

          • AOsman

            Selamat
            SAAY,

            I read Abi’s manajo comment, something coined for joke may stick :).

            Your argument is timely, considering the state of opposition in Ethiopia and the case around the Arab countries. For me proximity has always been important in bringing about change and I don’t expect a change to come from those living in the West except the tightening of the financial support the regime receives. Since Sudan has become a no go country, the natural destination was Ethiopia
            and I had more hope on the opposition there….but it seems everyone is waiting for change to come.

            I believe the best option is to fight the regime from inside Eritrea, well-armed with clear signal “Almusalim maashi Seleem” and that EDF are not target except in self-defense or in defending civilians that the regime may be targeting for whatever reason. This would create local trust with the opposition and entice EDF members to join them….basically it will give disgruntled EDF members room to defect or consider a revolt. I have read Mahmoud’s recent passionate rejection to calling
            for raising arms and I do appreciate his take.

            With you argument, how do you propose to develop the proximity without presence in Ethiopia. I asked Gheteb last time, I don’t think he had satisfactory answer. I think you mentioned Arbi-Harnet somewhere, now we have ESNF (Ethiopia based), so what is the solution?

            On your numbered points, which try to predict potential scenario.

            #1 assuming Ethiopia moves in (with powerless oppo, tehangitom)
            #2 it is unlikely that PFDJ would retreats to Nacfa, and if did it will be for good retreat, it won’t be a launching pad. They have lost much of popular support, it is likely DIA will fly to Qatar (as usual) and without NSU…..it will be his a good bye.
            #3. Likely that is what will happen, as the ardent supporters in the West – toothless Nitricc 🙂 – will not come to the rescue of Eritrea.
            #4. The 20% are likely to try to head for Europe to follow the path of their predecessors….probably they have read enough “Was it worth all sacrifice” and that has a crippling effect…
            #5. The issue of regionalism, tribalism….is the potential problem that we will face with Ethiopian intervention or without. Those in Ethiopia are willing to risk and say “tegagina, mhretkum nhatet allena” to the people……Khalid tried to present as though they would just give back power to the people (call it naivety), that was a joke. Once a group takes power, they will not let it go, the people will rule slogan has no meaning until proper institutions are established in the country to allow a mechanism for power transfer.
            #6. I don’t believe the Eritrean/Sudanese move will take place, Ethiopia is not in the condition that was during HS or Mengistu rule, so there is no religious dimension that will create a defensive reaction from the West. But if some try to use terrorism to political upper hand, there could be a complication like that of Shebab of Somalia….I remember the paper presented I think in Rome by Dr
            Samatar….stating convincingly that Somalia is tribal….., no one expected suicide bombing to take hold in Somalia, but it did.
            #7. If #6 is well managed, then unlikely we will have civil war.

            Saying the above, my issue with Khalid’s presentation is if Ethiopia moves in, it will attempt create an environment that will serve its interest and a weak and corrupt regime will serve them well. Khalid et al will not come back to say “we screwed up” and if they do it will be of no use when you have a system hard to fix.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • saay7

            Abu Afan:

            Here are leaked minutes of a meeting of the cabinet of the most under-rated brutal dictator of Sudan. Two meetings minutes were leaked; I am sending you one just to give you a profile of who is our other neighbor and why they won’t sit back and allow the Habesha Fundamentalists free reign in Eritrea.

            http://sudanreeves.org/2015/02/17/summary-translation-of-the-minutes-of-july-1-2014-meeting-of-senior-military-and-security-officials-in-khartoum-including-president-and-field-marshal-omar-al-bashir/

            saay

          • AOsman

            SAAY,

            Thanks, that was my bed time read and good dose for quick sleep.

            It might be due to translation but on reading some terminologies I started to have some doubt on its authenticity, do you believe it is a genuine document?

            In any case considering the multiple fronts the Sudanese government are involved in, clearly stretched, they will not have a stomach to open another front. Also it appears they are more interested in building relationship with Ethiopia, having joint military working relationship rather than having an antagonistic posture, they were pleased that even poor South Sudan threat is under control.

            One interesting section that deals with latest Gedab news, the Sudanese introduced or recommended Iran to go to Eritrea. They are also working with Iran, receiving some training and in the same document the discuss the relationship with Saudi Arabia. Now they have joined the coalition to attack against the Houthis………..somewhere in the document they discuss perpetuating war in Sudan to keep the popular support…so it is clear what they do is not ideologically driven (Islamist being the self reference – I wonder what is its Arabic version اسلاميون؟), but a simple survival – so they would make a deal with Ethiopia so long it does not threaten their survival.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • saay7

            Abu Affan:

            Did you read the original Arabic or the English translation? On whether it’s fake or genuine Reeves is staking his entire reputation* on its being real because he says the people who gave it to him are long time sources and know how much it would destroy his considerable credibility* on the Sudan issue.

            I don’t know if you read the July cabinet meeting leak or the August one. I read both, in English, and after reading it you get confirmation on what u already know (the election is not about giving the Sudanese choice but legitimizing autocracy; how all Arab politicians love to use the phrase “red line” and equate politics with a card game (“an important card”, “a card we won’t use now.”) and maybe new things like that Sudan thinks of itself as having leverage on every Middle Eastern and African country.

            The switch from Iranians to Saudi Arabia…iran is mentioned as a “strategic ally” often in the leaked documents. money money money money. Heard a joke Cousin iSem will appreciate: as you know everything comes to screeching halt at 10:30 am in Sudan, it’s traditional breakfast time. The Sudan Air Force is ordered to do a few sorties in Yemen…but it’s breakfast time… So they Bomb the Yemen ambassador in Khartoum and have their breakfast.

            saay
            * he has become a Sudan experts and testifies in US congress and has written a couple of books. One is available in free ebook format.

          • Fnote Selam

            Saay,

            Where does Paul Bremer fit in here?

            FS.

          • saay7

            Selamat Fnote:

            You tell me, dude. All I know is he will be speaking amharic and saying “we have to fight them over here so we don’t fight them over there!” 🙂

            saay

          • Fnote Selam

            Hello Saay,

            On a serious note, I think what you have raised are important concerns that many Eritreans have and that doesn’t make them necessarily hate mongers. I think whether we like it or not Eth is going to be involved in any thing that the future holds for Eritrea and I just hope people on both sides will be smart enough to manage Ethiopia’s role in the most beneficial way for both countries. That begins, I think, with discussions addressing the concerns (perceived or real) Eritreans have openly; I have not seen that from anyone who advocates Ethiopia’s involvement in Eritrea. I feel like (this is just my feeling) they equate that with criticizing Ethiopian government (which I understand is hard to do because you are asking them for help), but I really don’t think they have to go that far.

            FS.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay7,
            .
            Sometimes I engage in crystal ball reading. I saw the following clearly not long ago. The next sensible and pragmatic Eritrean leader or leaders will come with a big tattoo on his/their forehead/s that says Puppet. Therefore, if they know what is good for them to survive, the best way is to imitate President IA plus. Well, it is clear to me I don’t know about anybody else.
            .
            Let me put this crystal ball aside.
            .
            Mr Al Mariam, a highly educated lawyer in California writes a great deal about conditions in Ethiopia, almost all of it critical of the current government. I am not sure if he was in Ethiopia in the last 30 years or so. Today’s Ethiopian citizens in their 30s and 40s, I presume make up the majority living and making a living in that environment. Their whole life experience is what it is. The whole frame of reference that Al Mariam has about the Ethiopia he knew is changed and no amount of reading, discussion or thinking is going to mitigate that deficiency. I used Al Mariam just like Kim Hanna to signify the changes in ourselves as well. (I am not equating myself with him)
            .
            Mr. SAAY, Al Mariam, can he be really be trusted in his criticism predictions and recommendations for the future of that country? Where did I make the error in thinking this way?
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Ato Kim:

            I did not understand the question. Only thing I know is that you don’t have to be inside the country to get the data to enable you to draw conclusions. For example, 63% of Ethiopians are under 24 years old 🙂 I know this despite the fact that I haven’t been to Ethiopia since 1993.

            Can you rephrase your question?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            All these young people were born, since you were there last? Damn! Time for you to pack up and swoop to Adu Genet… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I was waiting for 4G connection and the completion of the mega airport and no-driver Google cars. (Abi says please don’t drive or be driven.) One down two to go.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            That will be about four years. Electric car (just for taxi purposes) are in the pipe line will start production next year..so you still will be driven around..
            http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2015/03/10/ethiopia-to-produce-electric-cars/

            And our PM told us today that we will start exporting natural gas by 2017…

            So basically, what you are saying is you will not visiting us, unless we are gas producing Gulf looking like country, is that right? What’s your next demand? That we all speak Arabic.. 😉 (we might as well, since we get into the gas market 🙂 )

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Of course you Ethiopians should learn Arabic. If you had done that, I wouldn’t have to listen to terrible translation of Sisi’s address to your parliament:) My ears are still bleeding.

            What? Are you saying that Ethiopia is full of gas? Just full of hot air? tsk, tsk.

            Your PM…he was trying to pull off that slick politician thing with his clever-by-half evasive answer. He just couldn’t pull it off: you need a mean streak, like that of PMMZ and PIA to do that. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen (only the over 40 American politics junkies will get it): “Prime Minister, I didn’t serve with Meles Zenawi. I didn’t know Meles Zenawi. Meles Zenawi was no friend of mine. Prime Minister, you’re no Meles Zenawi.”

            Drop. Mic. “I am outta here”.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            We will speak Arabic over our 90 million dead body…:-)

          • saay7

            Aselamu Aleikum Eyob:

            Don’t some of your 90 million already speak Arabic…I presume they are not dead?

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay, Eyob lives in the strip 🙂

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Not sure if the paraphrasing quite works. If you claim you did not know Meles Zenawi, then you can’t logically assert someone is no Meles Zenawi.

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay7,
            .
            Oops, I hated it when my teachers did that, no wonder the “A” were hard to come by. I still hate it but……..
            .
            I guess the question can become, do you really know ( about 70%) that age group of Eritreans? What is important to them? What is their immediate problems and how do they think it should be solved? All the real day to day aspirations and hope they have. The principles of voting for leaders and freedom of the press you hold dear, is there any way one can find out if it is reciprocated among this group or not?
            .
            The reason I threw in Al Mariam is I have similar doubts about him. He knows the American constitution and likes it and he wants it for his country, nothing less. That is when I come down with “A” s or no “A”s and say let us stay on the ground.
            .
            That is the best that I can do. Just to show you the sign of the times, I will not accept anything less than “B”.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Ato KH:

            No ejig Betam tru or its acronyms for you.

            First of all, somebody should revoke his Ethiopian citizenship on grounds that he shortened his surname to Mariam. Yihe yemetkel guday new. Or at least find some article in ATP to charge him with terrorism.

            But seriously: I take your point: when you are exiled 1,000s of miles from the country you are analyzing you miss a lot. That’s why every researcher boasts about doing “field research.” But are u picking on the poor gentleman: exiled is punishment enough and I suspect he really misses his homeland and wishes he could get back if he is like most exiles who have life-liberty quarrels with their governments.

            On the morality scale or right-wrong I would say his transgressions are less than those who know wrong things being done but keep their mouths shut on some rationale of “dabo now, human rights later.” And I am looking straight at you Abi and Eyob when I say that.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Are we speaking of Mr. Al Mariam? Oh yeah! The guy misses his country so much he has Anglicized his name to erase a trace of it. What? You are telling me that he has done that, because he lives in ‘ferenj’ hager and the ‘ferenj’ has a problem pronouncing his name, so he tweaked it for their convenience? Then tell me how it was easy for the ‘ferenj’ to pronounce Schwartzneger, and not Gebremariam? If you ask me the guy is an elitist snub, who does not know Ethiopia and Ethiopians other than those he believes that equal to him financially and intellectually. The rest of us are beneath him and just to be dictated by his instructions about how we should live our lives. No he doesn’t miss a country. He just wants to rule it and patronize the ‘subjects’ that he dreams of being a lord over. Thank God that will never, ever happen.

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob, a mutual relative, and Saay’s best friend, may he God receive him heaven once told me a story.

            He didn’t like some people trying to shorten his name. He had a challenge for the: do you know the governor California?

            They respond, “Of course, it’s schwarzenegger?”

            He says, “Do you know how much space that takes in a movie screen? All the space from the left to the right of the screen… and you are telling me you can pronounce my name?”

            He didn’t allow anyone to call him by a pet name.

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Kim Hanna,

            Saay “…Yihe yemetkel guday new.” sil “Yihe ye Aquam guday new” lemalet felgo new. minalbat kalgebah biye new

          • Saleh Johar

            Years ago I visited my brother in Germany and met his friend and his Amara wife. I wanted to show off my Amharic and kept asking her, “ye sedrabetish were alesh?” She kept looking me in the eyes trying understand my question. A hysterical laugh by those present deflated my ego and I relearned the right word. What’s is the correct word Rahwa T? It’s should be your yemetkel guday to explain it!Type your reply…

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Saleh,

            That should be a very nice fun for those present with you guys. Sometimes I do hear similar exchanges of chats and enjoyed it much and I would always run for correction when I am confident enough about the word. I never thought you would miss the translation for “sidrabet”. Is it not “betesebochish” or specifically “welajochish”? I am sure you know it as it is common word for some Tigrigna speakers from “kebesa”, too. I think I am correct but let me hear from you if that was not what you were thinking to ask to the lady?

          • saay7

            ^^^ what Rahwa said, KH

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Rahwa T.,
            .
            Yes you are right. I tried several substitutes with no success. When you think about it metekel is more permanent than mekom that all politicians fear.
            .
            Normally I can count Eyob to correct these things of saay. Now they are talking about all the goofy names we accept to be left alone. I am going to be as quite as a church mouse till it blows over.
            .
            Thanks again.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Saay7
            Don’t look at me like that. What I’m saying is dabo leterabe, democracy leTegebe.
            Lehulum gize alew.
            I got semina worq for you . Hope you like it . ” wetet bechelema tabelashalachu
            Qen endih yigefal ene lasayachu.”
            If you don’t get it politely ask Eyobe.

          • saay7

            Abi.net

            I will look at u like that because I never mentioned democracy but human rights. Democracy is a rule by the mob and I am not a big fan of mobs. I prefer some form of elite system but please don’t tell Amanuel.

            Yeah your semna werk (which is basically wordplay so u ethios don’t get all inflated on me and wordplay is puns and puns are the lowest form of literature) is above my ASL (Amharic as second language) so…Eyob? Does it have to be eyob? Do u know how many layers of 3000 year history of gloating that will be buried in? Sigh

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay7
            Sorry for the confusion b/n democracy and human rights.
            You know why we use semna worq ? It is because we never had the basic human rights to speak our minds without getting into trouble. We have to somehow vent it out. It is our way of expressing our grievances. Let me give you an example. When Goshu wolde defected in 1979 EC, nobody was taking about it in the open. Everybody was afraid of everybody to talk about it . But look at this semna worq and see how effectively we used it to communicate among each other.
            ” chakawna denun menTru blachu
            Anbesana zhon goshum Tefalachu”

          • saay7

            Abi.net

            Ok. Even I get that.

            I met goshu at some Eritrea Ethiopia Friendship Club. So basically that helped form my worldview of: is life made up of good people trapped in bad systems run by psychopaths or psychopaths abusing lack of systems.

            saay

          • Dear Saay,
            When I read, “Democracy is a rule by the mob and I am not a big fan of mobs”, I said to myself, could things have changed and democracy is no more that beautiful word on everybody’s lip? I had to check and see if anything
            has indeed changed. The word “mob” describes a disorganized crowd, while the “demos” from which democracy is partially derived connote the people or citizens. Therefore, I think that there is a difference between the two, “mob” and “people and citizens”, and the word democracy has not yet lost its luster.

          • saay7

            Selam Horizon:

            My fault: in my effort to differentiate human rights (civil liberties) from democracy (majoritarianism?) I short-changed democracy, particularly since the issue was how people overlook human rights violations for the sake of dabo.

            My views on democracy are perhaps unconventional. In the US, universal suffrage is restricted by age, residence, criminal record and type of citizenship (natural or naturalized.). For Eritrea I would recommend a more restricted one (raise the minimum age to 25 for voters and 35 for candidates). And I would insist that people take and pass a civic exam (not a literacy test: it can be administered orally). The party-formation law would also have barriers to entry so the country would have no fewer than 3 but no more than 5…

            Still democratic…but remove all the mob elements from it.

            saay

            PS: also overpay politicians so they don’t steal. That was one of the lessons of the recently departed founder of Singapore Lee Kwan Yew

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Saay7. really I didn’t see this before. I hope you will support his view.

            I dream to see an article written by your wonderful English supporting Khalled .

          • saay7

            Really?

            Weren’t u telling Tes you have been reading me for 41 years and u know me?:) What, in anything I have written, suggests to you I would support Khaled’s view?

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            41? where, when and how did I say so. 41 is since 1974. May be you mean 14. typing mistake? why, because you are in hurry this time although I recorded you mostly ignore replying my comments. ድሓን ሳልሕ ሓወይ ትውጋሕ እሞ !

            all your articles you wrote and views you had are not far form his view except the “weyane” support case. I love to see the common white space and appropriate that space than the grey space. you want free democratic Eritrea and Khalled want the same. you don’t cross the risk line he does.

          • AOsman

            SAAY,

            A follow up debate about National Sovereignty Khaled Abdu vs Solomon G Assefaw on Smerrr.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbIeEtorROo&sns=fb

            Regards
            AOsman

          • saay7

            Ahlan AOsman:

            I like both guys, with a special bias to Selle (Solomon) because of the American version of t’Hti hagerawnet or regionalism (because he is from Cali.)

            The good news is that the younger generation is able to speak to one another with civility. Well, at last so long as the younger generation are both Asmarinos and knew each other from back-in-the-day. Otherwise, re’enalkum alena younger generation.

            The bad news is that it’s not just Isaias who can’t make a point without exhausting your patience. Our columnists can’t help themselves: they write painfully looooong and therefore unreadable articles.* And our speakers can’t help themselves: they go on, and on, and on, long after they have made their point. Let’s make 2015 “The Year of Brevity” and put a timer next to us when we speak and when we write. Amen.

            saay

            * What? My glass house looks real fine from where I sit and it is immune to your stones:) Seriously: yes, yes, yes, I am very much aware of my proclivities for long-windendness and and am working on them.

          • AOsman

            SAAY,

            Yea I had the same feeling on the long winded explanation, but that is the fear of being misunderstood. I thought Khalid went full u-turn and left Semere Andom dry on calling Ethiopia….he went what, who would call Ethiopia…no Ethiopia will come by itself and we just have to blame DIA for it….so I came out confused what the calculated risk and the aytehazulna tegagina option really means.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • saay7

            AOsman:

            Clearly Khaled Abdu was saying things for shock value and to provoke a discussion. (The guy is scary smart.) And yes with a tiny bit of goading we got Semere Andom, Amanuel Hidrat and Kokhob Selam to go full-speed shetaHtaH way 🙂 It was a good week. 🙂

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi saleh,

            For God sake, who is doing “shatah-tah?” Is he Salah Younis or the names you never failed to blackmail them? who is clapping with PFDJ slogan? Who is advocating for PFDJ-2? My friend “baEleka Alokalu shetah-tah.” History will not be written “Bi-MaEl-Melhas.”

            regards,

          • saay7

            Kbur Emma:

            I think you owe Mahmud Saleh an explanation (an apology is too much to ask from Mr Always Right Emma) for calling him a 5th column.

            As to Khaled Abdu’s little intellectual excercise he did, you were so high on it u said it made ur night. Now he is telling u it makes no sense:) ms’u temagwet zi Hawey.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saleh,

            “Khaled Abdu’s little intellectual excercise”!!!!!! I will see Saleh Younis with his “big intellectual exercise” to save Eritrea. I will watch you how you will navigate the battered ship “Eritrea” in to safe landing from your residence.

            regards,

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            I did? When? 🙂 Weriduni gwal qeshi as Sem A used to say. And the Eritrans ship needs landing? Is it like spaceship? Allla emma you are killing me.

            saay

          • Shum

            Hello saa7,

            I think you should stop this…like right now. You just made Amu engage in things that go against his principles that he doesn’t “comment on perceptions. I found to be difficult to debate on perceptions.” as can be seen in his linked reply below to me a couple of weeks back. Of course I was scratching my head as to what we are debating here if not perceptions.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/awate/i_was_wrong/#comment-1907743292

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ኣማኑኤል

            ክብርን ሞጎስን ንጀጋኑ ብጾትና ::

            ኣብ ‘ዛ መሬት ፋሕ ዝበል ኣዕጽምቲ ንመንደልሓቅትን ተበልጽትን ሰላም ከሊኡ በብሓደ ወጊኡ ኣሰንኪልዎም እዩ ::ነዚ ኣስተብሂሎም ናብ ልቦም ምስ ዘይምለሱን ጸረ ገባቲ ጉጅለ ምስዘይምክቱን – ሕስረት ምስዝመርጹን ከምወትሩ ጸገሞም ድኣ ‘ምበር ጸገምና ኣይኮነን ::

          • Semere Andom

            We will remember the words of our cousins more than the words of our “gaunnot” 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            ስኒ ኣለኒ ኢላ ወላ እንተጥወበት ኣንበሳ ክትከውን ግን ኣይከኣለትን: መንፈርፈር መንገብገብ ‘ውን ናብ ሊላ ሽላ ወይ ነስር ኣይቀየራን:
            የግዳስ ጭሩን ኣንጭዋን ኮይና እያ ተሪፋ መስኪነይቲ መንካዕ ::

          • Semere Andom

            Hi AOsman:
            Do not believe Sal, he likes Selle just because of one phrase: “those who call for Ethiopia’s help’s are those who lost hop.’. He like more KA because of his Asmarino aphorisms.:-)
            On the U-turn , I am not sure how is your Tigrina but KH did not make a U-turn and Sal know sthat

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            Who, me? I am just minding my own business trying to land the Eritrean ship, to Emma’s satisfaction. Wait, I think he edited his post: the spaceship is now a ship needing constant navigation to safe harbor. Sele agrees with Field Marshall Mahmuday: those who openly or secretly with for Ethiopian invasion, sorry I mean Ethiopian co-operation, have given up on Eritreans. (For refresher, read Mizans long list of unflattering adjectives he unloaded on the people.)

            KAs rationale for Erhiopias invasion is Chapter 7 of the UN Charter: if a government is a menace to peace and security of the region then it can no longer protected by sovereignty. But that’s an Ethiopian argument for invasion; it’s not an Eri opposition rationale for invasion. And that’s why Khaled was struggling in the discussion. If we don’t complain about Isaias military adventurism and destabilization of the neighborhood we have no right to complain about our sovereignty being violated. Not even his smooth asmarino tongue and “Solomon Hawey” could rationalize that.

            Cousin Sem; if u want to know how far your team has gone the deep end, T.Kifle chastised Amanuel for being irresponsible. Now think about that 🙂

            saay

          • AOsman

            Hi Semere,

            On the Tigrigna, I did not stay long after independence to purify the Asmarino Tigrigna to the classical Tigrigna bought by Shabia. They were talking a new language on the news…..I stopped there and no much developement on the language and my reading is MAHAYIMINET level.

            I should be fair to Khalid, even in his first presentation he did not state that he did not care about sovereignty, but since the state of affair in Eritrea is a life and death situation it follows the risk that we take by accepting/calling for intervention is judged to be less damaging…..seems his point.

            The debate is revolving around intervention being without compromised sovereignty

            The question to ask is, what is for Ethiopia if it is to intervenes?

            1. Good Neighborly Relationship (Peace and Security)

            2. Good Economic Relationship (Access to the Port)

            3. Marriage, some kind of Unification

            At it stands, Ethiopia has managed to deter or contain the security risk from Eritrea and under the no war no peace situation, Ethiopia is not suffering and can carry on indefinitely. Ethiopia is not desperate for #1, even though it has an advantage and would minimize the annoyance from rebel movements.

            Getting a deal on #2, can be done either directly with DIA (hopeless), with the opposition seeking support or in the future by ensuring a weak government is formed. In any case with intervention #2 is guaranteed, without intervention the outcome is fluid.

            The ground must be ripe to consider option #3, at this stage just let Eritreans hate the country called Eritrea, make Ethiopia a welcoming place and overtime the 99.8% for independence will swing the opposite direction. Either through regional divide and rule or by default baby Eritrea will return to the lap of mama Ethiopia.

            Willing to be convinced otherwise.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Dear AOsman,
            Sorry for interjecting; I am not trying to replace Semere A. Simply, I saw your comment as a chance to say few words.

            Up to now, we have been discussing intervention with its owners absent, as if we can get intervention on demand. For Ethiopia to decide intervention, in a normal situation, this must go through the Ethiopian parliament. Even in 1998, the Ethiopian parliament had to decide, if Ethiopia would go to war against the aggressor. What would its fate be, if Ethiopian leaders go to parliament to demand for intervention, with the above three justifications? I think that most probably it would not attract majority vote. If the government ignores parliament and goes to war, with more than fifty percent of Eritreans shouting foul and demonstrating in Western capitals and the UN etc, and most Ethiopians against
            intervention, then it will be an ugly business.

            Ethiopia can secure peace and security through strength (strong armed forces, strong economy and the
            right foreign policy), as she is already doing. True, one can say that it will not be complete with terrorism all around the region and the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula in turmoil.

            Any economic relations are much more to the advantage of Eritrea than to Ethiopia. In addition, a new situation is unfolding in the horn. Ethiopia and Djibouti are integrating their economies. The capacity of the port of Djibouti is to increase by fifteen times with billions of dollars, with the aim to serve Ethiopia, S,S. and the shipping lines of the red sea. Modern railways are connecting Addis and Djibouti, and the love affair is such that one can bet that in the end, there could be some sort of marriage. With her economic survival and her security tied to Ethiopia, the Arab world in turmoil, and with Ethiopia no more in the black list of Arab nations, Ethiopia and Djibouti are there for long-term good relations. On the contrary, time is working against Eritrea, and it is not right to postpone continuously things that should be done today, and wait until things get too bad before any decisions are taken.

            As much as the 3rd point (some sort of marriage and
            unification), is concerned, even this no more has the weight it had in the past for Ethiopia. Necessity has taught her to find other solutions.

            Therefore, it is difficult for Ethiopia to send her children to their death as justification, things that are no more vital for her survival or for the sake of decisions taken today by Eritreans, that could change completely anytime after the job is done, with the sacrifice of her children. Ethiopians and especially Eritreans, should stop living in the past and they should understand what is possible and what is not. Living side by side should be a reason for cooperation rather than for eternal animosity. Many Eritreans believe that they will lose their sovereignty, if they cooperate with Ethiopia, and they see Eritrea as an antithesis to Ethiopia, and if they cooperate, it must always be on their terms. Unfortunately, these are different times, and they need different approaches.

            Regards.

          • AOsman

            Horizon,

            Thank you for your candid advise, when I see progress in our region it pleases me, unfortunately as you correctly point out a lot of time and opportunity is passing by. At this stage it is not in our (Eritreans) hand to decide, a reckless and stubborn dictator is at the helm, until he is removed from power we are the loosers.

            The nature of the debate is so narrow it makes us look paranoid. I personally have no qualm if Eritrea unites with Ethiopia in the future, actually it has more to gain and such regional move to integrate us all will benefit the people of East Africa.

            Our debate for now revolves around making serious decisions at our weakest point and with little consent from the people , this could backfire on us and leaving Eritrea in a more complicated situation as a play ground to external players.

            The 30 years war was fought to give the people a simple choice, the ownership to chart our own future and the decision of a few should not take us back to square one (one dictator is bad enough).

            As for the owner of intervention accepting the call, I thought Semere or Hayat were able to convince them had it not been for silly Eritreans are refusing to join the train :).

            I don’t think Ethiopia would always strictly follow the procedure to get approval by parliament, how about if it needed to carry out a surprise attack? Am sure there are many ways to play the game of war.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Dear AOsman,
            Any surprise attack will be carried out only in response to Eritrean provocation, and not with the aim to change the regime in Asmara. Regime change with the use of force requires cooperation with a united, well-armed, and battle-worthy opposition. Enemies and friends should clearly be defined, and actions well studied and coordinated, so that intervention will cause the minimum damage to non-military targets and civilians. These requirements are not yet in place, and war is a serious business.

            Regards.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,
            I 2nd you. you are always gentle. I can see a leader on you.

          • selam

            Khaled is great and so solomon but they both are traders they will not have any chips to play in the future Eritrea.Losers will always not agree on one point. We will PFDJ from inside Eritrea and we will kick you by using your words. We will not be sold out to some who are in America talking so many rubbish.

          • tes

            Dear AOsman,

            Title: Sovereignity Issue

            Objective of the debate:

            To learn on how different actors with different views can make their struggle together with respect and tolerance.

            Back-ground:

            Before this debate Khalid Abdu had a stand to compromise sovereignity to remove PFDJ.

            Out-come:

            Both agreed in principle to respect sovereignity. Khalid Abdu was in hurry to ask for help as the situation is severe. Solo was not in a state of emmergency. He said that there might be a time to demand for help to remove PFDJ though he believes that the situation is not upto that level of severity.

            What Solo is more worried about is about the amount of money given by Ethiopia. He was not happy with the amount and He wants more. (Will he be ok if Ethiopia funded him as much as he wanted to compromise sovereignity?)

            Conclusion: Both believed that it was a great lecture (emphasis mine) and Khalid Abdu, the one who totally lost his original back-ground recommended for the opposition camp to arrange such entertainment debates to teach people.

            Funny!!!

            ———————————————

            ——————————————

            Observation

            These guys are not serious. They spent 86 minutes and 29 seconds just to teach people on how to debate in a more civilized way. This is nonesense. Worse, they proposed for such stupid debates to continue.

            A dead debate from its beginning as it was only to teach a lesson to the folks.

            Both politically weak.

            ————————————-
            ————————————-

            Breaking News (to me)

            I am sorry to hear that Khalid Abdu is an outcasted justice fighter from current organizations.

            ————————–
            ————————-

            tes

      • selam

        Dear Emma.

        All have tried your own strategies for almost 15 years hand in hand with your suppliers made trade mark in weyane. Where did the strategies took you ? have you ever made self checking ? will you Amanuel Hidrat concede that you lost miserably and horribly and let us down to your endless ways ? Even we have the same problem , i openly differ to call you such a credible opposition and need hand from Eritrean people at large. We will not sold out . IN your dictionary you people have no alternatives. Give the chair to young Eritreans who can talk and discus their differences and still reject weyane hand. The opposition in Tigray are there to be forget and if they try using weyane air planes they end up just on the news for 2 weeks . Again i ask you to have some faith in the Eritrean people that they will do it on their steps.

        • Kokhob Selam

          I am really fed up of those accusing words. this is the culture we should dismiss first. instead of talking about Emma and his experience why don’t you talk about the idea? please, ask what do we do in general? what do you think you have done so far ?

          we Eritreans as people so far fail to reach where we want. list them down why? then ask what can we do? list them down. which methods are practical? list them in sequence with reason. make sure your criteria for each.

          for sure all methods you come across will have advantages and disadvantages depending on time place and situations. life is full of risk.

          You see that is just impossible to live in this world without risk, the world is full of risk and if risk is not there life is not there. Ride the bicycle, drive your car, just walk, eat, drink go on listing
          but everything is surrounded by risk. In fact even sleeping simply in your comfortable
          bed has its own risk.

          am sure you will agree with me that most of the people, Political parties, and individuals fail in achieving their dream it is neither because of their ability nor due to lack of tools or resources but lack of commitment. And if you agree on this – sure you will agree with me trust on self (self confidence), discipline and taking full responsibility are combined to let you go ahead in taking calculated risk .

          then only you can accept and reject. it is not just from upper part of mind that was “brain washed” things should be judged. the first step to become opposition is to change the software installed on you by PFDJ. now everybody is your enemy, “the world is against you and be careful don’t go for any step” is what your ego telling you.

          ask yourself how can we benefit from elders, learn from their positive heroic struggle and from their mistakes as well. respect differences as far as it is within the common ground. and be nice as you are, give and take love and enjoy life with all it’s difficulties. don’t ever give excuses for not taking action……

          Thank you.

  • Ted

    If i hadn’t known the author of this article, i would have said, nice advice Sir. Unfortunately i got to know your specialty in Awate University. It is pompous to lecture how we should react to information or views fundamentally antagonistic to the national interest( you know what i mean) we believed in , for that you can call us Peter pan or whatever. The accusation you made ” self-acclaimed ivory tower of knowledge,” (i am sure it is not towards me) but it sticks on your face if i throw it back at you.

    • derebew

      Why do you have to be defensive and offensive about it. This is an idea, an advise, and an argument based on theory and practice of politics that every one should play including the author.
      He talked in general terms but you felt it was directed at you. Do you hear some voices? does the tele/ tv talk about you constantly? Oh! this is a joke don’t take me seriously.
      I just want to say, don’t demolish a good idea or advise even if it comes from your opponent or some one you don’t like ( here I chose not to say hate, even though there is the stench of hate in your short but pointed/sharp response). But may be it could be your level of maturity the good author has described and please heed his advise and come out of it as “hate destroys the hater”.
      Labeling the author this and that with a quote “you know what I mean” is Yeah! mature. Way to go!
      The disrespect is not deserved on behalf, of the thoughtful generalized advise. “why write if you can speak ……….” I think you didn’t read that quote or didn’t grasp it’s meaning. Go back read it and you should be quite when you don’t have anything relevant to say.
      I have temporarily lowered my self and broken the advise Amanuel has given us but a chimney cleaner has to wear the soot until he dusts it off and washes. I am now going to wash and refrain from sharp rebuttal.

      Apologies for butting in your fight. I hope I don’t get a cross double punch as an outsider, “you know what I mean”(Ethiopian).

      • Ted

        derebew, first i thank you for your interest in Eritrean politics. And you are not “an outsider”, after all if nothing, you reside inside our territory. If you read it correctly i said “” (i am sure it is not towards me)” I was not being defensive or “stench of hate” to wards my fellow man, but only to point out the rule of engagement fighting PFDJ has been compromised by the author and the likes of him for the last 15 yrs. No hating, Take a good care him, thank you,(if you know what i mean).

        • derbew

          Good response. Thanks for your inclusiveness, I feel from my heart for Eritrea and Eritreans, may be the fruits of the “your territory” enriching my soul.
          I hope this trying times will pass soon and there comes a time when we all all talk of development and progress, instead of bickering and war. “Your territory” issue is more dicy is it not. The hung up with the “territory” is futile as it may not be solved kingdom come with the already tried and failed tactic i.e war.
          There seems a misunderstanding of history that the Eritrean independence was achieved only by the heroic actions of the EPLF (conveniently forgetting, the Derg was destroyed by TPLF/EPRDF and weakened internally that it couldn’t fight back,) which is distorting the out look of most Eritreans and make them think there will be a day that they will regain the “territory” by hook or by crook, which in my view is becoming a more remote possibility, with out coming to the table for a peaceful discussion with the one you call “enemy”. The one you call “enemy” was the only instrument of your independence and if a different power comes to Ethiopia, trust me that will change the dynamics far worse, with more hardline outlook towards the other territories that I am not included in now.
          My hope is that you soon get some sensible opposition that can work for peace with Ethiopia and therefore in able you to get me out of your “territory”, which will be my blessing. Correct me if I am wrong but my in between the lines reading of your sentiment, however you may be one of those who are against Eritreans that cozy up with Ethiopia. I tell you that is jingoist but will not bare fruit. The once cozying up with Ethiopia don’t have to sell out their goal of peaceful and sovereign Eritrea but they know the only way out of the dire situation in Eritrea is with the help of Ethiopia, least it goes in to chaos the likes we see in Yemen and Somalia.
          I am sure some people may not like it but Ethiopia will involve itself in the affairs of Eritrea for a good reason, as siting on the fence with the “no war no peace” is not working and PIA has done something foolish to deserve the onslaught that came to him and more may come. You will come to thank Ethiopia one day for deliverance, the usual “U” turn mastered by Ali Salim and PIA albeit in deferent camps.

          • Ted

            derebew, You are right about me, i believe TPLF doest stand for our interest. You see why i said TPLF instead of Ethiopia. We call those “cozy up with Ethiopia” Weyane whisperers( they can communicate with weyane no Eritrean can understand). What would you say to the opposition who don’t defend its territory in action?
            ” if a different power comes to Ethiopia, trust me that will change the dynamics far worse, with more hardline outlook towards the other territories that I am not included in now. ” can i take a liberty of finishing your sentences by adding ASSAB. it looks like a treat to me. Our sovereignty never been at the mercy of Ethiopia, should i say more derebew, looking back what we have been through. We are where we are it is not because of Ethiopia, don’t give yourself too much credit. You never confront Eritreans mano a mano, there is always some interested group at the back twisting your clock. Thank you for your offer( since you have a bigger fish to fry) but i cann’t help it to ask and correct me if i am wrong, you are the believer of TPLF who thinks Amanuel can get you what eluded TPLF by force.

    • saay7

      Selamat Ted:

      You think you know the author but you are mistaken. There are actually two Amanurl Hidrats:

      1. There is the one we have debates with who hates adjectives; and there is the front page guy who loves adjectives;
      2. There is the one who hates discussion of history; and there is the one who discusses history (but only it advances his point of view)
      3. There is the one who laments lack of solution oriented proposals and there is the one who just complains there are not solution-oriented proposals;
      4. There is the one who has been a part of many of the failed experiments of the last 15 years of opposition; and there is the one who complains about the failed experiments;
      5. There is the one who complains about personality driven politics, and there is the other one who complains about personalities.
      6. There is the one who complains about lack or practical solutions and esoteric theories and there is the other one who gives us esoteric theories.

      You are unfair to Amanuel because you are confusing him with Amanuel.

      SAAY

      • Semere Andom

        Wo Cousin Sal:
        Then you have to apologize to cousin Sem for your criticism of his: “Mahmud vs. Teg. Wedi Saleh” 😉

        • saay7

          Cousin iSem:

          No comprende Canadian english, ayye. Could u translat into proper American English?

          saay

          • Semere Andom

            Senni!
            Iam referring to when you did not like my comment in Dec, when I said that Mahmud is different when he is Mahmuday and Teg. Wedi Saleh

          • saay7

            Como?

            Mahmuday is Mahmuday 24.7. Well, 16.8. He reverts to tegadalai wedi Saleh when bad cousin iSem insists on insulting him, his colleagues, his mission, his sacrifices… To bad bad iSem, the Tegadali is collateral damage in his drone predator attacks on the “alliance of killers.”

            So no apologies.

            SAAY

      • Ted

        SAAY, The two Emma need to talk. How would i know who i was talking to all this time. My response meant to Emma(Hayet Adem’s right hand man, “Aboy qeshi” i think).

        “You are unfair to Amanuel because you are confusing him with Amanuel.” real Slim Shady dilemma,.

        “May I have your attention please?
        May I have your attention please?
        Will the real ( Amanuel Hidrat) please stand up?
        I repeat will the real (Emma) please stand up?
        We’re going to have a problem here….”

        I apologize to whomever Amanuel Hidrat represent.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dearest Saay,

        If I was important and you think I will influence people (I think I can’t the way Amuni do it) I am sure you will come with 101 Kokkhob’s and if you want I can do it for you.

        I am sure you are among the people I respect and admire. but I could have come with 101 Saay’s if I start to write here. don’t you think it is possible when people have to write a phrase in different times for different reasons? all paragraphs were for specific reason if that is not the case even the Bible or Qr’an could have crushing phrases and sentences.

        I know you are more advanced than me and you can see my stand easier than I do yours. so please explain.

        • guest

          Amen Kokhob Selam. As a student of Bible and Qur’an, there are phrases and verses that seem contradictory at first sight. The problem is reading those passages and ayas OUT OF CONTEXT. There is no cotradict between stoning adulterer and adulteresses in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ not condeming the supposedly woman caught in the act of adultry, when he asked the hypocrites to throw the first stone. All the supposedly wittnesses who were fervent to condemn her absconded. They ALL forsook him with that ” guilty ” woman. That is why he said i wont condemn you and dont sin anymore. In fact, Jesus Alaihi Salaam, raised the bar from the old testament when he declared stairing at a woman with lust is like committing adultery at heart. I can bring many similar ” contradictions” from Quran, which in
          reality are NOT contradiction just been
          read out context.eg. LA IKRAHA
          FEDDINI in one aya and
          FAQTULOOHUM HAITHU
          THAQIFTUMOOHUM in another verse.
          Both ayas do not contradict. They just
          need be read in the context of each.
          For thatt, i guess, every person,
          oncluding AMANUEL HIDRAT need his quotes be read in the context he wrote it. That is more fair than just taking his quotes out of context. LI KULLI MAQAAMIN MAQAAL.

          • guest

            WAQTULOOHUM* as slay them wherever ye catch them

            LA IKRAHA FIDDEENI as, Let there be no compulsion in religion

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        I have received your painting lies on “Emma” like others before me. It is your forte, nothing new and couldn’t be a surprise to me. I was expecting when I come in collision with your views and arguments (a) to your defining idea of “a single man institution” to the governing body in our nation (b) to your unrealistic argument but wishful of “democratic coup” in the current political atmosphere of our nation (c) to your unreserved defense for “PFDJ party and its value system” and exonerating it from “objective and legal guilty” by throwing all the “culprit act” to Issayas Afeworki. Saay, at least Emma is “trying” to help the organized political and civic organizations to coordinate their efforts and have a meaningful struggle against PFDJ apparatus of oppression. I know where you stand and where I stand. More importantly, the public knows clearly. What you are doing is an attempt to preempt and thwart opponents ability to make their case against PFDJ, by painting lies against who are fighting against the PFDJ system. Remember as Socrates did, I will not loose and drink hemlock, a poison, as advised by his accusers. It won’t happen. I know law doesn’t usually accept the agents of self-punishment as painted by my accusers.

        One thing for sure, the Eritrean people have waken up from their beds and are trying to organize to raise their grievances in all forms and shapes. I welcome them for all intents and purposes. I will be there with them to raise their grievances to be addressed now and in foreseeable futures. We are there to fight, and clash now and then, with those who characterize grievances as sub-national issues to nipped them at the bud. This on your side is twinkle’s happy argument trying to connect with teachers of PFDJ curriculum and Pedagogy. I have it and understood it. But it will met with all the necessary argument.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • saay7

          Selamat Emma:

          You know our readers hate it when we argue… Clearly you are upset; you could have used “you are mistaken” instead of “your painting lies”…and I have no idea what “twinkle’s happy argument” is (is it the same as Twinkie Defense?) Yep, everyone knows where we “stand”; and that’s the problem because they want to know where we “move.” There is a reason why movements are called movements…and when they are stuck, they are not movements; they are just standing…and then they become stand-ins.

          saay

          • Abi

            Saay007
            That was kind of funny. If I were Ato Amanuel I would have said
            It is ok to stand as long as you don’t park.
            I think it is advisable to stand to gather momentum. But, if you park , you will be ticketed and towed. In politics you are as good as dead.
            I don’t know what ” stand-ins” means. If it means double parking, it is even worse.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            Here’s the definition of stand-in:

            A stand-in for film and television is a person who substitutes for the actor before filming, for technical purposes such as lighting.

            Stand-ins are helpful in the initial processes of production. Lighting setup can be a slow and tedious process; during this time the actor will often be somewhere else. Stand-ins allow the director of photography to light the set, the camera department to light and focus scenes. The director will often ask stand-ins to deliver the scene dialogue (“lines”) and walk through (“blocking”) the scenes to be filmed. In this way, a good stand-in can help speed up the day’s production and is a necessary and valuable cast member on a film.

            +++
            Now you can use one of your many proverbs to explain this. It’s the insignificant actor who is told by the director where to stand and what to say until the real important actor (who looks very much like him) can step in and the filming can begin.

            SAAY

          • Abi

            Saay007
            In Amharic there is this word ” menajo ” It is not a word you usually use . It is used in rural areas . It is usually for animals.
            If a farmer wants to sell a sheep or a goat or a cow …. It is really difficult to take it by itself . So the farmer brings another sheep or goat usually skinny one ( menajo) to go along with the one he is planning to sell.
            In your case a stand -in is a menajo .
            If you call someone a menajo, it means good for nothing.
            Regarding the Amharic proverb , I will get back to you, in the meantime try this
            Yeberen wuleta wesedew feresu
            Kehuwalaw tenesto qedmo bemedresu.
            Or
            Bere yarsal
            Ahya mirtun yafsal.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            Thanks for “menajo”: I am sure it will accidentally find its way in some of my postings.

            One of the few semna werq I srill remember involved bere. It goes something like this:

            Bere salay (without seeing an ox)
            Beresa lay (on top of a corpse)

            Now Eyob is going to come ruin it all and tell me I have it wrong. Or because he is such a show off tell me who the author is:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Of course you messed it up. You shouldn’t even doubt for a second that you’d mess it up.. 🙂

            Here is how it goes

            Mota Qeranyo Menew Aytares
            Bere Salay Metahu kezya eskezih deres….

            It was said, when Tewodros II have constituted a very harsh punishment on people of Gojam for revolting against him. The lady was lamenting that, there were so many people that were murdered, she had to walk over corpses, while she travels from Gojam to Gonder (Kezya eske ezih deres)….

          • saay7

            Well played Eyobai:

            But, kind neo-weyane, sir:

            The semna werq is still:

            Bere salay
            And
            Beresa lay

            No?
            Can you help me come up with one for Ben at Ethiopia First?

            Ben
            Bendet
            Ben endiet?

            Saay

      • Fnote Selam

        ዓገብ Saay, that was uncalled for.

        FS.

        • saay7

          Selamat FS:

          I respectfully disagree. Actually it was long overdue, expedited by the article in question.

          saay

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Saay,

            Directly replying to the article might have been better. I don’t like when people gang up to attack you and like wise, you piling on Ted’s comments kind of send wrong message, IMHO.

            If you and Ammanual could dial it down a bit, the banter between two of you is actually intriguing.

            BTW, the Cheney-NYT-Cheney thingy actually goes beyond closed loop argument…..think harder Saay 🙂

            Best regards,

            FS.

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