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Eritrean Catholic Bishops Ask: “Where Is Your Brother?”

In a spiritually embellished letter, four Eritrean Catholic bishops issued a letter addressed to the Eritrean people.

In the 38-page letter that the Catholic Bishops from the eparchies of Segeneiti, Asmara, Keren and Barentu wrote, they described the situation in Eritrea and appealed to the faithful to find solutions to the economic crisis, excessive exile, and other limitless predicaments from which Eritreans are suffering and are caused by the “no peace no war” situation prevailing in Eritrea.

The title of the Bishops’ letter, “Where Is Your Brother?” is borrowed from the Holy Bible: it emphasizes sympathy and urges the faithful to find a solution for their problems. The letter was issued on the occasion of the 23rd anniversary of the independence of Eritrea which was celebrated on May 25, 2014.

The letter bears the signatures of the following bishops:

1. Father Mengsteab Tesfamariam, Eparch of Asmara.
2. Father Tomas Osman, Eparch of Barentu.
3. Father Kidane Yeabio, Eparch of Keren, and
4. Father Feqremariam Hagos, Eparch of Segeneiti.

Citing the Lampedusa tragedy of October 3, 2013, and the fear and terror it created among Eritreans, the letter states, “Since the environment we are in aggravates the situation, instead of finding solutions to prevent similar incidents from being repeated, those of us who made the the disaster facing our children a matter limited to conversation and news are facing a disturbing question that is making us sleepless.”

“Where Is Your Brother?” addresses all major issues facing Eritreans, including the moral and psychological damage inflicted upon the people; the poor educational status of the country; lack of rule of law; weakness of spirituality; economic hardships, and disasters befalling the youth in their attempt to flee the situation at home, and facing great risks on their journey in the deserts and seas. It also raised a multitude of social, spiritual, economic, and legal issues.

The letter also addressed the lack of freedom of speech in Eritrea and said because of that, the youth are fleeing to, “peaceful countries, to countries of justice, of work, where one expresses himself loudly, a country where one works and earns.” Answering a rhetorical question, it explained, “There is no reason to search for a country of honey if you are in one.” It added, “Instead of Eritreans aiming to leave their country, those who are in the Diaspora should have returned….it is not rational to simply ask why our youth are leaving to foreign countries.”

Addressing the importance of the family unit, “Where Is Your brother?” explained, “on top of the crisis of people leaving their country, the family unit is fragmented because members are scattered in [national] service, army, rehabilitation centers, prisons, whereas the aged parents are left with no one to care for them and have been spiritually damaged. And all that combined is making the country desolate.”

The Bishops appealed for human treatment of prisoners and said, “All those who are arrested should first be handled humanely and sympathetically, and then, based on the accusations against them, they should be presented to a court and to resolve their cases, and since any entity that stands for fairness and justice, for true liberation, mainly aspires to be led by a constitutional law, they should pay serious attention to this issue.”

Fourteen years ago, on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of Eritrea’s Independence Day on May 24, 2001, Abune Zekarias Yohannes, Eparch of Asmara; Abune Lukas Milezi, Eparch of Barentu; and Abune Tesfamariam Bedeho, Eparch of Keren had issued a Pastoral Letter of Eritrean Catholic Bishops entitled, “God Loves This Country.” The message touched on many aspects of Eritrean situation including the Ethio-Eritrean border; the state of the spiritual life of Eritreans, pluralism, election, aids virus and a host of other issues. Awate.com had presented scanned images of the part that deals with reconciliation out of the 39-page message.

Excerpts from “God Loves This Country” of 2001

Reconciliation is not just with the enemy; we must reconcile with ourselves as well. To assess how far our strength can carry us, we must accept that, being human, and while exhibiting traits and behaviors of human beings– strengths and weaknesses, the good and the bad–we should always pursue moderation.

Our society, as well, should carry a deep and broad spirit of reconciliation, forgiveness and unification. All efforts must be pursued to expand reconciliation and harmony to the segments and sectors that have differing views. While being one people and one society, and in order to live up to the concept of “One People, One Heart”, we should abandon the spirit of “us” and “them” and unify all members of our society. Otherwise, “a nation divided cannot stand (nor be fortified).” Lucas 11:17; Mathews 12:25.

1) The 2014 document:
2) Part of the 2001 document

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  • Nitricc

    Hahaha Papi my dear
    Disqus wants you to use your real name. Lol
    You said won’t accept your nick so the next logical step is to try with your name.
    Hey, I am just here to give you hard time : -)

  • Hi Papillon,

    Sorry to hear that, but we have no control on Disqus system. All we can do is open the gates wide for you “White list” or shut you out, “Black list.” Apart from that, we have no control of it. But Disqus has a help desk and they are good at responding, at least that has been my experience when I couldn’t log a few times.

    Check if you post on multiple sites using different nicks. You might have attempted to log multiple times and you failed because you forgot your password, therefore you were perceived as a spammer or hacker. But here, even though you are on the white list, I found this comment on the awaiting moderation folder… that shouldn’t have happened. I am adding it to the white list again. Please contact Disqus and let us know if we need to interfere.

  • Papillonn

    Dear AT,

    I need your help. I can’t seem to post using my nick-name anymore. Every time I try to, Disqus suggests to post as a guest. What do you think I should do? I wouldn’t think the glitch has anything to do with AT but of course if it has, I would gladly oblige and abstain from posting. Thank you.

  • Rodab

    ኣንታ ሃይላት እታ መልሲ መንግስቲ ደኣ ንሎሚዶ ኣይኮነትን ነይራ፧ ተሃንጥየ ሃሰስ ተበልኩስ ሃሰስ ትመስክር። እቶም እንዳ ቢቢሲ ዶደኣ ዘንጊዖም ምድዋል ረሲዖሞ፧
    ዶስ ስርሒት ሰላሕታ ገይሮም ኤርትራዊ ኣይትተሃመል፣ ሓርገጽውን ክ ውሕጠካ እንዳደለየ፣ እንዳንቦሃቐ ይነብዕ፣ እንዳበሉ ይጽሕፉ ኣለዉ፧

    • Hopeful

      Dear Rodab,
      Please visit Tesfa News.I tried to respond to them but they keep blocking me.

    • haileTG

      haha Rodab, ዝገርም እኮ እዩ! ዋላ ሓርገጽ፡ ዋላ ድሙ፡ ዋላ flow charts ዘርባዕባዕ እንድየን ኮይነን…መሳኪን ህግደፍ ከተረድኤን ማኖ ኣትሒዞመን!!! ጉጂለ ተጸናጸንቲ ለን’ቅነ እየን ካብ ኣውስትራሊያ ተመሊሰን እኮ…ጉዳም ዝኾነ ሳምንቲ 🙂

  • Nitricc

    Baby Rahwa why should we pay blood for something legally concluded. You will like it or not you will leave the land you have in that is not yours.
    It will be the stupidest thing to do if Eritrea to do anything forceful. So, don’t look at it like a weakness. At the end of the day you will be forced to leave.
    The rule of law will dictate.

    • Rahwa T

      ” nri’Ei belet Ewrti “

      • Rahwa T

        Nitricc,
        gin ka’a neti amahadari keren dyu gele zbelkayo seb’ay entetl’ekwo ab HaTsir gzie merietkum memleselkum. mnalbat abti daHrewai quinat aytesatefen enteneyru maletey’ye.

        • Thomas

          You are funny, did not see that coming from you:)) Just believe me in war there are not winners and losers. Someone who kills others is a murderer!! It was uncivilized war and we lost dare lives. So, no more war among us any more. We will settle our differences/conflicts via the UN court as other nations do. We eritreans don’t like to take something that is not ours. We have a crazy dictator and the fault was 100% his. He rushed and ignited the border war. We apologize for that, now we all need to give peace a chance.

          • Rahwa T

            selam Thomas,

            I know why it looks funny to you, brother. Please remember that I am responding to Nitricc. qoqurub tzeri kemzelekha yirda’ani’yu. I expect that. I don’t want war, too. Unfortunately, whenever I read comments from little men who pretend and act as if they were the first, best, strongest, …superlative adjectives) contrary to the realities on the ground, I couldn’t help but try to “help” them see their real image in any approach I believe is the best. I sorry I am writing this comment at your website, but one think I am sure is I will never be the provocateur and as long as people such as Nitricc continue scratching our wounds, I feel that I have the responsibility to throw a response that will inflates them in the medium or long term if not in now. I have to tell guys like him that those of us of his Utopian-land have a different perception and picture of the recent and past events that happened in our region.

          • Thomas

            All I see in you is a nice inside out lady. Trust me, If you were single, like my looks and everything, I would marry you in a heart beat:)) However, you sound too smart for me. You see whether we like it or not, we have more in common than differences. The difference you being from the south border (that is just geography). Other than we are tied via intermarriage and culturally. Again, that will remain the same. Knowing these all, I know you are my sister. If Nitricc continues taking a side with the murderers, he is more of my enemy than my friend.

          • Rahwa T

            Hello Thomas,
            I have long-held conviction that we are “the
            same” people (sorry our recent history would force me to put it in Quote-Un-Quote).
            I have many nice friends from your homeland. I don’t have bad feeling at all,
            of course, unless I see, hear or read comments (or talks) such as the above. So
            brother we will not have any reason for hate, although at times we lose our
            tolerance and my act nervously. We can’t return back the past. We have people
            who would always say Let-bygones-be-bygones. I wish I won’t post negative comment
            at this or other websites. The trouble the life is not always smooth. I wish
            Nitricc and his types (not extinction from the face of the earth but) a big change
            in the heart and see them blooming thinking positive. Let’s hope that the
            future so bright.

          • Thomas

            Thank you for the kind words. I wish the same, but don’t worry we will get over it. I have seen your kindness in your writing. Thanks again.

          • Nitricc

            hahahah I understand Thomas, I do understand, lol.
            I was once passing through your city, after a long weekend in white water rafting in PA, so, I was so sore and in pain; I couldn’t pass beyond your city. I stayed overnight there and I thought it was a decree that will summoned all heavy and not good looking women to settle to Columbus Ohio. So, I understand for you to droll on Rahwa. Lol. You better pray she is not my Rahwa. If she is, you have no chance.

          • Thomas

            Nitricc — Once I might have posted my phone number with the deleiti fithi’s flyer. You should have called me, I would have shown you the beautiful once. However, they all seem not to like the YPFDG or any higedefetai, so you might need to stand for your people, not for the dictators first. You probably might have felt the heat on this one. Stand for the truth and work your way to get rid of the number enemy of our people. According to Andebrhan W (former ambassador), below is what a drunk DIA said to his colleagues
            “You always say nice things on my face; however, I know you call me “Agame” from behind, I will take this country down as I put it up” follow the below link and read what he said below:

            http://assenna.com/i-will-take-this-country-down-as-i-put-it-up-isaias-afewerki/comment-page-1/

            Now, you need to beg Rahwa to take DIA to tigray and get him disciplined. I know the tigrayans are very disciplined people in the horizon.

      • Nitricc

        Okay Rahwa I will give you all the power to solve the problem between Eritrea and TPLF.
        As you know there was border a border dispute that got out of hand and it followed with full scale war. After all that distraction and blood both sides went to court and the court rendered its verdict with final and binding attached to it.
        Now, the TPLF is refusing and Eritrea is demanding the ruling to stand and the rule of the law to be up held.
        Now you are a judge and the case is on your court. What would you do? How would you handle it?
        Every one says the support peace and coexistence; fine so am I.
        Go tell me how you handle it. You are the judge and your court.

        • Rahwa T

          Hi Nitric,

          Regarding
          the border dispute I will leave the story of the EEBC decision and staff like that
          to the experts and politicians. I have
          said it earlier that my wish is to see the no-war-no-peace ended in whatever ways
          the two governments reconcile and agreed. One thing I hate about and your likes is your
          empty bravado of winning wars using few “best” shaebia soldiers, 20 tanks, and heavy artillery
          captured from you enemy. That is why asked you if that the case why don’t you evict
          your enemy from your land. You are
          mixing mighty and rule-of-law. You want to cite you fake stories at one time,
          and the next time you want to have an image of a law-abiding system. You choose
          any one of them.

          • Nitricc

            Listen lady i asked you what you would do if you were a judge? how hard is to understand that.
            forget everyone; if this case to come to your desk, whay would you do? how will you handle it?
            why are you complicating things. I have asked you and give me your answer. i did not need your lecture. again please answer me. thanks!

          • Rahwa T

            Please don’t act as you are in “segreto” and you should your limit. Coming to your question you should know that ordinary women/man like me/you can not take the seat of a judge and give verdict on a simple issues between couples let alone a complicated case such as a border dispute that consumed hundreds of thousands. There is no point if I say this or that. I have told what overall stand is. It will take us to unnecessary “inklil”.

          • Nitricc

            Rahwa why not? Imagination has no limits. I imagine about my self all the time being everything. It is kind of fun, try it. The person who is the judge, he has nothing that you don’t have. Besides, no one is asking to solve quantum mechanics. All I am asking you is to use your good given sense and tell me what you would do. It is a matter of honest, fair, and even handed opinion. If you believe this two people are brothers and sisters and you believe they coexist peacefully then give me your judgment. Then I will give you mine.
            p.s. what is “segreto”

  • Thomas

    Nitricc’s grand father probably is a tigrean. Those are the kind of people who like to insult or belittle our tigrean brothers and sisters.

  • Thomas

    audio reading of the bishop’s letter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IzRFxx6Ag8#t=19

    • haileTG

      Thanks Thomas,

      I have listened to the whole speech twice now and read the whole content the first time it was released. The more you read and re-read it, the clearer their message gets and the better the sense it makes. The bishops asked “where is your brother/ሓውኻ ኣበይ ኣሎ?”, they didn’t choose any other biblical catch-phrases that give the cue for our mode of relationship with our fellow people (such as love your brother as yourself, do to others what you wish be done to you…and many others. The particular phrase they chose is linked moral culpability in causing the loss/tragedy of our brothers and sisters. God pointedly asked Cain where his brother Abel is (fully knowing the culpability of Cain in the demise of Abel).

      The priests in this regard asked:

      1 – Parents and Family – why they encourage the flight of the youth even by signing false marriages

      2 – Victims – why they can’t attempt to make their situation better at home instead of risking unknown fate

      3 – The international community – why it can’t use the technology and resource at its disposal to rescue and halt tragedies

      4 – The Government:

      – Why it doesn’t seem to do anything to better the situation of the so called “no peace no war”, why it denied basic rights and dignities, why it created slave like (serihka zeytKfelelu) and forced (ab zmerexkayo zeytserhalu) working conditions

      – why doesn’t it protect the victims or is it benefiting from it? (in which case they said history would eventually tell the truth)

      – why did it turn into an occupying force ( who can we understand independence and where are we supposed to find it? they pondered)..

      Hence, when they asked “Where is your brother”, I think that they are attributing a historical responsibility on all concerned and are petitioning for the blood of the Eritreans that have been killed in those horrific tragedies.

      I felt that we are running away too quickly with it, despite the bishops asking for people to “meditate” on what is presented. I don’t think they make mistakes in choosing their concept title (they are masters of theology and learned men) and hence there is deeper significance to what they are saying. I hope that AT writers would now present articles that analyze and simplify the message in the speech that you kindly shared.

      Regards

      • Thomas

        Haile TG – As matter fact long time ago, I followed your link to read this. I don’t why I posted, probably want to put on Nitricc’s face. You know he likes the phrase “on your face” much:))
        Now, I come to understand that he is just awatistas entertainer because he adores the monsters back home:)) It took me a long time to figure it out by myself though:)

      • Hopeful

        Dear Haile,
        Thank you for summarizing the Message in few paragraphs.
        The above clip–by AI?,should be aired in English and Arabic as well.
        BTW,you should have advised Thomas to cool down and try to respect other HumanBeings as well.
        Thomas,
        No need to “discriminate” human beings.Simple solution: Ignore them/us.

  • Thomas
    • AMEN

      I have long stopped listening to Minia and woldegebriel @VOA
      sorry
      They are so outdated by now. Come on man this is new Ethiopia
      and new times.

  • Thomas

    I think it was truly miscommunication. I think we are saying the something in just different phrasing. They tend to hate their own kind, I can tell this Nitricc’s grand father might a tigrian:)) I have seen those people behavior similarly:)

  • haileTG

    Dear Rodab,

    As promised, the regime seems to have started to respond to the bishop’s letter, albeit in 03 and indirect manner than calling the BBC Africa desk 🙂

    http://www.tesfanews.net/four-eritrean-catholic-bishops-issue-pastoral-letter-decrying-emigration/

    Please read at the comments, key bloggers writing in pen names and accusing the bishops of calling for regime overthrow, keeping contact with anti-Eritrea quarters, some calling for arrest and others calling for pushing them out. We’ll see how the “change from inside” proponents are going to throw the ring of iron and defend them. It looks the regime is bracing for a fight.

    Regards

    • Serray

      Selamat Haile,

      Indeed, the worshipers of evil have started their who is so and so crap. Here is one for them. It is also from Wikileaks narrated by the US ambassador.

      Who is Isaias?

      “Isaias ate little during the meal but drank almost a whole bottle of high-proof Moutai, becoming visibly inebriated and sentimental as the evening drew on. He remarked repeatedly on his admiration of Chairman Mao and claimed that Mao laid the foundation for all of China’s subsequent achievements. Other Chinese diplomats tell us Isaias dislikes Deng Xiaoping because Deng attempted to undermine Mao’s legacy. Isaias avidly consumes biographies of Mao and has refused offers of books on Deng and modern China. On a monthly basis the Chinese ambassador’s chef gets a request from Isaias to send over a Chinese meal. Ambassador Li reported that Isaias watches Chinese news on television……Ambassador Li wryly commented that Isaias idolizes his relationship with China, “perhaps because we are so far away.”

      The cable concluded,

      “While Chinese today allow that Mao “was 70 percent correct,” Isaias seems to have adopted many of his policies from the other 30″.

      Haile, I get the sense that more people defended the bishops on the comment section. By the way, I am a little confused about your ring of iron.

      • haileTG

        Hi Serray,

        What I meant by that “ring of iron” is that if we follow the logic that the bishop’s decision to take this highly selfless and heroic act was as part of some “inside forces” as reformers wish us to believe, i.e. “gathering momentum for change” as stated by Medrek, then we obviously would see a push back for any action taken against them. What I believe is that the regime will not do that because it would unleash a different type of pressure (unlike the one by country-country in US case) from the Vatican and its allies at the UN, EU and US. It would complicate matters further because religious considerations cut across geographic, political and other interest. Hence my bet is that hgdef would go for prolonged war of attrition and the bishops have no such thing as “change from inside” (diaspora ghosts) to protect them in their calculations. Please read the following news item to see how the bishop’s letter is carefully synchronized with “outside pressure” via the UN human Rights rapporteur’s work:

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-10/eritrean-bishops-say-lack-of-freedom-forcing-youth-to-flee.html

        Regards

    • Rodab

      Alora Hailat,

      Why are you dwelling in this my man:-)
      እዘን ቁሩብ ቁራቦ ገንዘብና ኣብ ካልእ ከይነውዕለንሲ ኣባኽ ሓሺሽና ክንውድአን

      But the idea that the bishops won’t be protected inside if the need aises is not a good argument to undermine internal reform movement. If that is the case then all previous attempts were foreign inspired or supported because no one protected the disabled tegadelties, no one shielded innocent university students from the wrath they had to endure, no one stood for the exemplary Patriarch, no one opposed the disappearance G15 and many more. So if the bishops are arrested now, sure enough nothing noticeable will be witnesses inside the country as far as protesting their arrest. What it will do is, it will add to the speed of the momentum till gradually we get to the timeless “the straw that broke…”

      I also see no connection between what the bishops wrote and what Miss sheila has said. Well there is connection in that both sides are reflecting what’s on the ground. But she has been saying this for years now. There is no coincidence on what the two sides are doing. So it is a bit stretch in your side…

      • haileTG

        Hey Rodab

        ንኺድ ጥራይ’ዚ ዓርከይ..ዘሎካ ተወከፍ፡ ዘይብልካ ኣይትሰከፍ! 🙂 Honestly you made excellent point in terms of dissociating the bishop’s advice from the work of the UNSC HR rapporteur. I hope the right people hear that too because that kind of misinformed self serving is what is going on in the pro-regime side. As to letting off the topic, I guess you’re right and about time. we do. Even if the “last straw” logic has always been there from time immemorial and didn’t need an organizational face to remind anyone about it 🙂 Now that the fat lady (Nitricc – the genetically fat:) has sang, let’s move on. What do you make of the coincidence of the bishop’s call for constitution on the 25th of May and IA announcing it less than 24hrs earlier on 24th of May? Do you see any thing we need to dig up there? 🙂

        • Rodab

          Selam Hailat,
          About your question, it is conceivable PIA might have conducted Wall Street syle insider trading. That is pretty possible. Could it be the other way around! Nah.

          Speaking of the constitution, snqi degefti mengsti endafokheset keyda. The noisy hoopla in reaction to the initial announcement are gone. Equally gone are the anger of justice seekers (worried about starting all over over to stretch time). So, at the moment, the sea is calm and we are back to pre May 24 status. What’s your reading?

  • Hopeful

    Pappi and Haile:
    What I admire her is the way she argues and present some undeniable FACTS…..
    I am the same Hope who ” sounded” and labelled as ” confused and ” Flip-Flopper”, knowingly and intentionally–NOT because I am “Dumb” and ” confused”.
    I still stand firm on my position that Eritrea and Eritreans have been victims of Horrible Conspiracies,lies,sanctions,external interences,etc—-And knowing ALL these FACTS,I will never ever but he arguements and accusations of some “quarters” here telling me that the PFDJ is exclusively resposnible for all the horrors Eritrea and Erite=reans ahve gon ethrough.
    That is where I respect and admire Mrs Sofia Tesfamriam in the way she anlayses and presents herself in “defense of Eritrea as a Nation,not as a PFDJ Agent or Rep.
    I will give her credit when she deserves it and at the same time ,I will criticize her–as I have done it to her face,not behind the Chioskis like we do here.
    Guess what?
    I also respect PIA and give him credit for what he has done for Eriitrea while I curse him now for what he has done TO Eritrea and Eritreans.
    No confusion or flip-flopping and contradiciton like the way you want it to be..
    2+2=4, besides being my opinion and my position,which I am entitlted to.tihim zi bele yitahagom.
    As to persecuting Sofia,well, we all should be ready for persecution of ourselves.
    ” Let the one,who thinks and believes is free from any sin,cast the first stone on her”.
    Get out of the cave you are hiding in and defend Eritrea and Eritreansas Serray hinted.

    • Semere Andom

      Hopeful:
      You are entitled to your opinions, but please in the way do not pervert our desire for justice and liberty. If you want to respect an unti Sematite Sophia, if you want to canonize the crimes of IA, if you want to wilfully be blind to the glaring facts, if you want to prefer confusion over clarity, it is your own mind and soul,your prerogative.
      But as Haile TG said, Sophia is a criminal, who loves everything that the USA is ashamed of from its history of slavery and hates what is is now good and stellar about the USA ideals of liberty and unfettered freedom for humanity. Sophia insulted the people (Jews) who channelled adversity and the bad that happened to them to something good to become the only country among 300 million population,where criminals, influence peddling and pedophiles go unpunished and unaccountable For this reason alone she belongs to the pantheon of criminals
      Sem

      • Thomas

        Hopeful,
        I think you are contradicting yourself. Please make your stand firm. Our nation in danger because of one man who wouldn’t work with his own people and a man who chooses isolation and lawlessness to make the country we love to be our prison. Sofia being his cheerleader and she came to tell us that she is an Eritrean and she knows us better. She was never there when we bombed and terrorized by all of our enemies. Our people have gone through wars and the last thing we need is people like her telling us what we need to do. Before our independence she never set foot in Eritea and she never was there to understand our culture and how we run our lives as such no sympathy for any one but for those in power. I can see you are one of those flip floppers. However, most definitely are the supporter of the oppressive regime. You cannot have it both ways.

        • Hopeful

          Dear Thomas,
          Read my clarifications over and over—
          I stay the same Hopeful/Original Hope …with the same stand.
          Be yourself.Sofia has the right to be what she is and who she is and what to believe in/for–but as I will stop mentioning her name as of now,you do the same,and challenge her directly.
          Again,that is my opinion about her-case closed.

          • Thomas

            You are acting like meshrefet.net. To me you are with the dictator. You don’t have materials to support the regime as such you are acting “langa langa”.

      • hopeful

        Kibur Sem,
        Your Opinion is respected but NOT your way of reading and msiquoting people.

    • SA

      Dear Hopeful,
      Excellent arguments…I am waiting next for your argument why you also admire Hitler, Mengistu Hailemariam, Stalin, ….You can also tell us why you respect and admire Joseph Goebbels for his effectiveness in propagandizing and in defending Germany.

      • Hopeful

        SA,
        That will be your home work but your anaolgy is irrelevant and misplaced.
        Why are you afraid to talk about all other leaders who have done good and bad—There is NOTHING perfect in this world.
        Acknowledging and giving credit to people when they deserve it /when needed and at the same time protesting against them and criticizing the same entities/people when needed is a norm,NOT confusion or Flip-Flopping.

        • SA

          Dear Hopeful,
          Since you seem to know the good an bad of the regime’s leaders, why do not you tell us the good things they have done over the last 15 years?
          SA

          • Hopeful

            SA,
            ” My comment saying :”Why are you afraid to talk about all other leaders who have done good and bad-“, is in reference to other world leaders.That does NOT justify or mean that I side with this or that.
            You like jumping here and there –and rush into judgements.

          • SA

            Dear Hopeful:
            I guess i am trying to catch up with you in jumping here and there….You were kind enough to inform us Sofia “admitted privately all the horrors at home” as if that is supposed to comfort us. This is the same person who, instead of admitting all the horrors at home that are leading the youth to flee Eritrea, accused Meron Estifanos as “a person of interest, at the center of the criminal human trafficking ring that is, responsible for the suffering of Eritrean youth in the Sinai….Estifanos is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of migrants who attempted to enter Italy thru the island of Lampedusa.”
            Which one is it Hopeful, or is it EPLF, or is it Hope? Or you do not care whether Sophia lies or not as long as she is doing it to defend Eritrea?
            SA

  • Mr. Abdu

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  • haileTG

    Hi All

    Dr. Bereket Habteselasie reacts to IA’s Independence day speech announcing the drafting of a constitution:

    http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/tigrinya/highlight/page/id/339078/t/A-Controvercial-Constitution–Announcement-by-President-Isayas-Afewerki/

    Regards

    • Semere Andom

      Selamat Hailat:

      I just heard one of my favorite speech, this speech by Haile Derue woldetinsae is like Lincoln’s speech of Gettysburg, which is displayed on the walls of his monument in DC.

      Our own Lincoln for his timeless and timely speech and also Jefferson for his many eloquent writing, Haile is languishing in prison and blinded by the ravages of Diabetics according to Eyob Bahta, a former guard at Era Ero.

      Eritrea’s future is doomed not because of its dark days, any country has dark and shameful days, the USA had it during slavery and the civil war, but it seems that our society seems to purge geniuses, visionaries while we have a knack of celebrating brutes. In this speech Haile weaved many things, among them that rule of law and democracy was the initial goal of our struggle, that we implement these self-evident truths of liberty and freedom not to appease the world, but because it is our own yearning, that these ideals will please the reset of the world, a win win situation. He also has a cautionary tale by telling us that we were driving in a tortoise speed toward rule of law. And what did we do, we did what the Eritreans excel at: clapping and drowning the salient message

      This speech thought provoking, it was a message of hope, a message of urgency, a message of the courage the people showed during the war and a message of the colossal failure of the leadership. This speech should be indelibly inscribed on the walls of Haile DeruEs monument that is incumbent upon us to erect on the rabbles of the PFDJ and the insulting monument the PFDJ built for that Russian writer

  • Misikir

    [Moderator: This is a warning for you Misikir and AMEN. Stick to one nick and stop violating posting guidelines.]

    • AMEN

      [Moderator: stick to AMEN since that seems to be your choice. Problem solved.]
      Awate Admin.
      Didn’t you tell me you will not post any of my opinions ( AMEN)
      so can you re-post my opinion under AMEN if you do not like Misikir?
      Yours
      AMEN

  • Hopeful

    Pappi,
    Well,we attend the same Catholic Church around the D.C area with her and I will make sure that I challenge her to her face.
    BTW,she admitted privately all the horrors at home but her response was” I am defending Eritrea,NOT the Policy Makers and I do NOT make the Policies”,the same answer she gave, in one of her “Mekete Meetings”,after she was brutally challenged.
    But gues what, I RESPECT and ADMIRE her for the way she defends Eritrea,no matter what and she has a great POTENTIAL for future Eritrea.
    Sem.stop there,YES,I respect and admire her.My only reservation is that she does NOT get it well as to with whom she is working with and for.
    She shocked me when she belittled Ex-Minister Ali Abdu claiming that he was a “Gift” from PMMZ to President IA???
    This is a guy who picked up a mini Rifle,called” Karben” at the age of 13 and was shaped up and trained well to be the next President of Eritrea.
    Please,Sofi,REPENT before the Judgement Day arrives /comes and defend the REAL Eritrea and the REAL Eritreans,NOT the “Eritrea and Eritreans” of DIA.
    I wonder why Minia Afewerki of the VoA have NOT invited her for a debate with SAAY.May be she declinded for an obvious reason.

    • Papillon

      Hopeful,

      You said, Asmara Rose privately admitted to all the horrors but she said she doesn’t make the policies. And you said, you admire her for defending Eritrea. Let me get this: All the unspeakable horrors are happening to the Eritrean people and she is defending Eritrea. Are you saying that, she doesn’t defend the people but the land? Am I reading stupidity all over your room or is it my eyes playing tricks on me? Help me out please and thank you. If Asmara Rose has a potential in future Eritrea, future Eritrea must belong to the past. Asmara Rose is a political-prostitute and I am sure she will pay any price to have a face-lift done so that she can look forever young.

    • haileTG

      Hi Hopeful,

      I am holding off expanding the Ali Abdu saga for three reasons:

      1 – My personal knowledge of Ali from the days he was at the NUEYS i.e. in Junior club near by Voccio Philia Asmara 🙂

      2 – The condition of his family is worrisome (especially the daughter)

      3 – That the leaked document may/may not be true but it could as well be one of those 10,000 asylum documents that were breached by hacking in Australia early this year. If true, his confirmation of Eritrea’s involvement with Al Shabab is troublesome, the terror group is currently on a spree of civilian murders in the region. His confirmation of the human trafficking links is something we knew all along (it is an open secret that members of the security forces are engaged in this activity and work in broad daylight with their Toyota pick ups in openly).

      My question to you is slightly different, and I hope you reflect well before answering it:

      You said, in regards Sophia “I RESPECT and ADMIRE her for the way she defends Eritrea,no matter what…”

      You then said about the same person “Sofi,REPENT before the Judgement Day arrives /comes and defend the REAL Eritrea and the REAL Eritreans,NOT the “Eritrea and Eritreans” of DIA.”

      I am one of those who believe that she is a selfish criminal and there is sufficient evidence to persecute her in connection to the current decimation of our people and the ordeals that are going on. I.e. in free Eritrea, once the dictatorship is brought to an end.

      Can you explain to people like us what your apparent contradiction above is supposed to communicate?

      Regards

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    One way to stand up to justice is by assisting those engaged in the work of enforcing the rule of law. Each and every Eritrean can now fill out one of the following forms in their preferred language (Tigrinya, Arabic or English) and mail or e-mail it to the UN special rapporteur for Human Rights in Eritrea. There should be a concerted effort to register all cases of human rights violations by the regime in Eritrea. Power to the people 🙂

    Individual complaints

    In the discharge of her mandate, the Special Rapporteur on Eritrea has developed the information sheet below to facilitate the submission of information. Although communications are also considered when they are not submitted in the form of this model questionnaire, the Special Rapporteur would be grateful for receiving information tailored to her mandate. The objective of this questionnaire is to have access to precise information on alleged human rights violations in Eritrea. If any information contained in the questionnaire should be kept confidential please mark “CONFIDENTIAL” beside the relevant entry. Please do not hesitate to attach additional sheets, if the space provided is not sufficient.

    Should you have any questions concerning the completion of this form, please feel free to contact the Special Rapporteur.

    Tigrinya: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/ER/QuestionnaireSR_Eritrea_Tigrinya.doc

    Arabic: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/ER/QuestionnaireSR_Eritrea_Arabic.doc

    English: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/ER/QuestionnaireSR_Eritrea.doc

    Forms should be filled out and sent to:

    Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Eritrea
    c/o Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights
    United Nations at Geneva
    8-14 avenue de la Paix
    CH-1211 Geneva 10
    Switzerland
    Fax: (+41) 22 917 90 06

    E-mail: sr-eritrea@ohchr.org or urgent-action@ohchr.org (then please include in the subject box: Special Rapporteur on Eritrea).

    Regards

  • Asmerino

    First,make sure you are not using 2-3 different nicks–Hayat,Pappi,Raha–etc–

  • Nitricc

    I am gravitated with M-General Romodan Awliyay his 50 years of service to his country. What a purposeful life? Remember how keep telling the Tigryans about battle of Hamusit, here read from the man himself. I am telling you with out EPLF mechanized brigade armed with 20 – tanks, 2 – BM1 21 rocket launchers,.10 ,122 mm artillery guns,…. 6 -37 mm Mahine guns, 4 -anti tank missiles, 1 platoon of commandoes with 3 Grad artillery guns, 8 ZU 23 heavy machine guns; TPLF still be fighting the dreg army for Hamusit. I can keep telling T-K how TPLF never operated a tank, well they do; to the ditch, lol
    here it is read from the man himself. what a man; what a great life.

    “እተን 20 ዝዀና ታንክታትና
    ምስ’ተን ኣብ ጎዳጉዲ ዓሪደን
    ዝዋግኣ ዝነበራ 40 ታንክታት
    ጸላኢ ፊት ንፊት ገጠማ። ከበድቲ
    ኣጽዋር ጸላኢ እውን ብጻዕቂ
    ደብደበ። ውግእ ኣመና ረሰነ።
    ታንከኛታትና፡ ታንክታት ጸላኢ
    ከቃጽሉ እንተ ጀመሩ’ኳ፡ ጸላኢ
    ግን ካብ መከላኸሊ ዕርድታቱ
    ምንቕ ኣይበለን። ነቲ ኲናት ኣነ፡
    ወዲ ለተ፡ ሓየሎም (ኣዛዚ ሰራዊት
    ወያነ)፡ ጀቤን ካልኦት ሓለፍትን
    መኣዘዚና ኣብ ገላውዲዮስ ዄንና
    ኢና ንከታተሎ ነይርና።
    ናብ መጥቃዕቲ ሃሞሲት ኣብ
    ዝተበገስናሉ እዋን፡ ወረታ ዝተባህለት
    ቦታ ካብ ሃሞሲት ንበይና ፍንትት
    ኢላ ስለ ዝነበረት፡ እቲ ንወረታ
    ዘጥቅዕ ናይ ወገን ሓይሊ ንዓኣ ምስ
    ተቖጻጸረ ቀልጢፉ ናብ’ቲ ንሃሞሲት
    ዘጥቕዕ ሓይሊ ክድረብ እዩ ነይሩ
    መደብና። ኣብ ወረታ ክልተ
    ታንክታት ዝነበራኦ ሓደ ብርጌድ
    ሓይሊ ጸላኢ እዩ ዓሪዱ ነይሩ።
    ወያነ ሽዑ ‘ንወረታ ባዕልና ክንፍትና
    ኢና። መታን ተመኩሮ ክዀነና ግን
    ሰለስተ ታንክታት ሃቡና። መራሕቲ
    ታንኪ (ኣውቲስቲ) ኣለዉና።
    መድፍዓጂታትና ግን ተመኩሮ
    ስለ ዘይብሎም ካባኹም ክንወስድ’
    ምስ በሉና፡ ሰለስተ ታንክታትን
    መድፍዓጅታትን ሂብናዮም። ውግእ
    ታንኪ እምበኣር ናይ ኩላቶም ኣብታ
    ታንኪ ዝህልዉ ሰባት ምውህሃድ
    ከም ዘድልዮ ዝሰሓት ኣይኰነን።
    ናይ ኣውቲስታ ስራሕ ድማ ወሳኒ
    እዩ። ኣብኡ ምስ በጽሑ ሓደ
    መራሕ ታንኪ ህወሓት፡ ነታ ታንኪ
    ኣብ ጀቕጀቕ ኣእትዩዋ። ታንኪ
    ካብኡ ክትወጽእ ኣይከኣለትን።
    ኣማራጺ ስለ ዘይነበረ፡ እቶም
    ኣብ’ታ ታንኪ ዝነበሩ ተጋደልቲ
    ነጢሮም ወጺኦም። እታ ታንኪ ግን
    ጸላኢ ማሪኹዋስ ምስ’ተን ዝነበራኦ
    ካልኦት ታንክታት ሰሪዑ ሽዑ
    ንሽዑ ናባና ኣቕኒዑዋ። ናይ ሞትን
    ሕየትን ውግእ ተኻይዱ፣ ጸላኢ
    ካብ ወረታ ክለቅቕ ስለ ዘይከኣለ፡
    ገለ ፍታሕ ክንገብር ነይሩና።
    ሕጂ ኣመሓዳሪ ከተማ ከረን ዘሎ
    ዘርእዝጊ (ገናውኖ) ዝመርሓ ሓንቲ
    ሓይሊ ታንከኛና ናብኣ’ቶም ከም
    እትድረብ ድማ ገይርና። እዛ ሓይሊ
    ምስ ተደረበቶም፡ ነቲ ኣብ ወረታ
    ዝነበረ ሓይሊ ጸላኢ ምሉእ ብምሉእ
    ምስ ደምሰስዎ፡ “

    • Thomas

      Is that all you got? You have a big mouth, talking about what happened 40 years ago cannot contribute anything. Remember, you were hagereseb, are you now? So and so country were poor, but they are not know. So and so were poor 2 years ago, but they are reach now. Emancipate yourself from thinking like hegereseb, got it?

      After all, you can be one of the tigrayns who have an identity crises. Cheap talk cannot earn you anything.

      • Nitricc

        Here is what you said. That is what I call disgrace; you can’t even keep your words and you are telling me about cheap talk?
        Here it is what you said

        ” Well, SAAY. Since this website is not ready to protect it’s readers from some using offensive language, I will no longer visit this website to do anything. Thank you for so far having me to comment.”

        Lier, get the hell out of here.

        • EPLF

          Bingo–Nittrci the “Acetto”.
          But those Tigreyans will be protected any way,no matter what they say as Araya lamented.
          Never give up Bro.

    • Rahwa T

      Nitricc,

      Now I got very good evidence that had it not been to your mighty “goblel Qerni AfriQa” army, TPLF would have still been fighting in the bushes of Tigray. I will trust whatever is said from your army commanders as they are God’s best messenger next to the angels of St Michael and St Gabriel. I, personally, will take this for granted as I am reading the heroic deed of the Yikaa’o in their fight to liberate the people of Ethiopia and the rest of eastern Africa. I don’t need any further testimony from other sources. I promise I will share and disseminate this story to all my people and tell them to worship the mighty army in the eastern Africa.

      But before I complete my comment, could you tell us if these 20 tanks (and other) this trusted army commander listed in his narration had involved in the first day of the war in 1998? If so what happen to their fate? Why was it that they didn’t repeat the same “Qiya” at the battle that followed few years later? This has proved me why you guys have been said that 1 shaebia soldier is to one hundred (was it 1000 sorry) woyanes.

      abo beneka ejih And benen

      haftikha

      • Thomas

        Hi Rahwa,

        Please respond only to Nitricc. Hate & resentment are counter productive. That is why I tried to stop Nitricc. Look what did both people (Tigrayan and Eritreans) get from the war of Badme (the 1998 war). Both leaders admitted that it was a stupid war. We both lost precious lives for nothing!! Is that acceptable by any standard?

        • Rahwa T

          Selam Thomas,
          Good comment. Thank you

        • abrham

          Thomas

          “you can be one of the tigrayns who have an identity crises.” Skeptic Thomas .

          You tried to stop the messenger of the notorious… Let me give you an advice. He is unstoppable, proficient enough in throwing unbearable insults and derogatory words. Stop following him otherwise he will bit you by his very profession Tserfi. In this stance, he is disturbed with the news and roaring on behalf of the aged mushmush lion of Nakfa Issu to shift the attention of the mass struggling for justice relentlessly. Finally Tom, Could you enlighten me how anyone who identify himself as an Eritrean insulting tigray could be a Tigrain with identity crises?

          thank you

          • Thomas

            Selamat Abraham,
            I really appreciate your advice. Ambassador Andebrhan Woldegergis in his recent book exposed what drunk DIA said, “I will take this country down as I put it up” Issaias Afewrki. If this is true, it says a lot about his hidden personality similarly about the yes men who are thought to have similar problems or otherwise they wouldn’t have tried to become more eritreans than the rest of us.

          • Nitricc

            Abraham, nice name, you know what i mean?
            anyway what Thomas lacked the courage to tell you is this
            when you asked him……
            “Tom, Could you enlighten me how anyone who identify himself as an Eritrean insulting tigray could be a Tigrain with identity crises?”

            Well, he was trying to tell you that Tigryans suffer from inferior complexity. that is what he is saying.
            Other than that there is no way it makes sense. So here we go, I helped you solve a mystery. Even his answer to your qeustion is more insulting. But you figure it out.

      • Nitricc

        My Rahwa-T I got to put that T if not I may mistake you for the love of my life; Rahwa Konjo.lol too bad she is no where to be found.
        Anyway you asked me why the same thing did not happened in 1998 war between Weyane and Eritrea.
        Well, it did.
        You see, Rahwa, when your TPLF was releasing ex-military expertise from prison to help them defeat Eritrea; Eritrea was putting her best in to prison or flat out frozen.
        When your TPLF was using their best pilot to bomb Eritrea; Eritrea was putting her best pilot in to prison. When your TPLF used the entire Ethiopian resources and people; Amara, Oromo and every ethnic brought up to wipe out Eritrea; Eritrea defended herself with no one to help but her children. They paid the price.
        When your TPLF went 3 billion dollars weapon shopping spree; Eritrea used the weapons that was captured during the struggle for the independent. When Your TPLF using Su-37; Eritrea was flying defective Mig-21 and and Mig-23. We had no war council, no strategies towards on the going battle; I mean we can go all day and the most astonishing; amazing; shocking and beyond belief is, we still defeated with a bloody nose. When I think about it, I just shake my head and realize the power of Eritreansim!
        We were the worst point and you could have us for breakfast but that tells you what Eritrea means.
        In fact let me introduce you who did the miracle. Make sure you see at the faces of those young brave Eritreans.
        Here Rahwa…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvXSYkR70Lo

        • EPLF

          Bingo “Acetto” hawey,young EPLF!
          You forgot to mention the role of the Whole Ex-Soviet Union Marshals and Generals—about 120 of them sitting in Mekele and Addis besides the Russian Pilots of Su-27/25/Mig-29 and even the operators of theire new Tanks and Medium Range Artilleries were N koreans—This is TRUE in its totality.
          Not to mention(shushhhh,it is Classifed),th role of the USA and Isreal,who were directly involved not just financially,morally and logistically.
          An Isreali Senior Commander was injured by an EDF long-range Mortar per the Deuche Welle-the Voice of Germany.An American Journalist based in Florida and the Juan Willam of the NPR in Washington D.C. and a Marine who was staioned in the Red Sea testified as well,now living in Boston,Mass, about the role of the nearby stationed US War Ship(Red Sea).
          Mr Juan willimas of the NPR(National Public Radio) aired about the direct wiring of a half a billion
          Ask Rahwa,your ” sweet girl”,to check with her Weyane brothers who were involved in the Aseb War Front and she will quit arguing with you if her Weyanes tel her the Truth..
          USD overnight through Ireland to the Russians and Ukranians to pay off the Military Hardware th eWeynaes bought and used in the Badme war.
          Bottom line,as you said,the Eritreans won the battle–saved the country,not just defeated the weyanes and their mercenaries–the Russians,,the Ukranians, the N Koreans,the USA and the Israelis.
          History repeated itself!
          People talk but have no clue about what they are talking about.
          The case of Gen Awelyay’s example is enough for the minimum role of the EPLF in helping and baby sitting the nascent weynaes,who had no CLUE about handling a Mortar and ridng a Tank!

          • Nitricc

            EPLF, I did not know about those things. I wasn’t old enough to follow and understand the events. I am still studying every war Eritrea battled. So, I will get to it and see what I can dig. The accuracy of the fighter jets bombing and the TPLF’s heavy artillery suggests, there were other players. I will get to it.
            But what is even more intriguing is, the Tigryans were on their strongest position they will ever be. The whole Ethiopia was behind them, they came for the kill. And Eritrea was at her weakest and still manged to win the war and make cry the TPLF chief staff like a little girl.

            http://imageshack.us/a/img43/7607/80496676.gif

          • Rahwa T

            Mr YPFDJ,
            keep enjoy it and read all the fake and exaggerated stories. Assuming you have all these natural talent and power, why do you think your army could not chase the “woyanes” at the land that has illegally occupied? Given all the above stories you gave us, I guess it should have been a matter of 15 days to claim your victory. Are they still waiting for another thirty years?

          • abrham

            Tomass reverse your analogy

            Those who hate Tigray and tigrains are Eritreans with identity crisis like Tesfaye G.Ab aka Nitricc.

          • EPLF

            Edited:My apology Moderator,please delete the original comment–
            Bingo “Acetto” hawey,young EPLF!
            You forgot to mention the role of the Whole Ex-Soviet Union Marshals and Generals—about 120 of them sitting in Mekele and Addis besides the Russian Pilots of Su-27/25/Mig-29 and even the operators of theire new Tanks and Medium Range Artilleries were N koreans—This is TRUE in its totality.
            Not to mention(shushhhh,it is Classifed),th role of the USA and Isreal,who were directly involved not just financially,morally and logistically.
            An Isreali Senior Commander was injured by an EDF long-range Mortar per the Deuche Welle-the Voice of Germany.An American Journalist based in Florida and the Juan Willam of the NPR in Washington D.C. and a Marine who was staioned in the Red Sea testified as well,now living in Boston,Mass, about the role of the nearby stationed US War Ship(Red Sea).
            Mr Juan Williams of the NPR(National Public Radio) aired about the direct wiring of a half a billion USD overnight through Ireland to the Russians and Ukranians to pay off the Military Hardware the Weynaes bought and used in the Badme war
            Ask Rahwa,your ” sweet girl”,to check with her Weyane brothers who were involved in the Aseb Front Battle and she will quit arguing with you if her Weyanes tell her the Truth..
            .
            Bottom line,as you said,the Eritreans won the battle–saved the country,not just defeated the weyanes and their mercenaries–the Russians,,the Ukranians, the N Koreans,the USA and the Israelis.
            History repeated itself!
            People talk but have no clue about what they are talking about.
            The case of Gen Awelyay’s example is enough for the minimum role of the EPLF in helping and baby sitting the nascent weynaes,who had no CLUE about handling a Mortar and ridng a Tanks.

          • Hopeful

            Again,
            Dear Moderator,
            NOT only, I officially(“addressed to you specifically”), advised you and asked your permssion to change my nick to “Hopeful” from “Hope”, but I also have clarified repeatedly as to who I might be by putting my old nick ,”Hope”,”original Hope”,…in brackets.
            I am sure you you knew or simply you overlooked at it, that some one actually was using my old nick,”Hope”,hence ,made you aware officially.I do NOT believe most people do that
            For God’s sake,only you and those who change nicks or,who might have or use 10 or more nicks here , that this is routine based on someone’s observation and analysis,which is easy to do so–using different IPs.
            But my apology for the confusion though,eventhough I did my best to clarify myself..
            FYI,
            Now, I mostly use work computers and it would be fair to consider that there might be people at the same work place who might be members of this Forum.
            BTW:
            While thanking you for allowing me thus far to be involved in this forum,you are welcome to block my IPs,so that I can focus on my Job as I have become addicted to this Forum…..for NOTHING,as I do NOT believe that I will change things other than responding to some unreasonable comments in my opinion.
            Moreover, make sure you treat people “equally” as all human beings are born euqual.

      • EPLF

        No matter what,you cannot be/do better than your Teacher

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          One who doesn’t do better than his teacher is one who doesn’t want to be better than his teacher, or one who limits himself to be below his/her teacher. One who has who hold PHD is not the same with those who taught him/her in elementary and high school. I don’t think you miss this but the problem once you make an organization your alter nothing can be done. Paradigme shift is warranted to you.

          • EPLF

            Kibur Wedi Memhir,
            It is a way of saying and expressing things.My former “student”(my Junior at College) is an Assistant Professor at the age of 27 but I am not close to it.
            Please,be so kind to challenge Jesus Christ,the original owner of the “saying”.

          • Hopeful

            I officially–asked your permission and advised that that I changed my nick form Hope to hopeful.
            I am sure you might know that my old nick “Hope” was used for quite a bit time by someone.

          • Hopeful

            –I mean ,Moderator:

          • Hopeful

            Can you re-post any comment by “EPLF” in the name of Hopeful,please?
            I would appreciate it.
            Thanks.
            Hopeful.

          • abinet

            You are shameless. Why don’t you just use one nick instead of begging.
            Yeleba aynedereq…….

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Nitricc,

      One more lesson if you could open your mind: It isn’t the kind of weapon you have that makes you win, It is the resolve and the fighting spirit that ultimately makes you win a war. The Eritrean Liberation is an example in itself. So Please stop this unproductive “Fekera.” It is unEritrean character.

      • Semere Andom

        Merhaba Emma:
        Sure, it is unEritrean But it has become Eritrean because of PFDJ and then by natural selection and if the PFDJ is not cleansed from the Eritrean “systems” and by system I mean the biological and sense and sensibilities and thinking systems, these “fekera” may end up to be very Eritrean by encoding itself in our DNA:-)
        in “A troublesome Inheritance, Nic Wade, a a science reporter for NY times says that even embracing democracy, justice and capitalism is a gene thing
        Sem

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Sem,

          Yes it is true. Since whatever we do is something that has to do with “characteristics” or has to do with biological distinguishing trait, it has to do with gene. Those who fight for justice must have different gene than those who disregard justice. Everything that has to do with human being has gene expression.

          Hawka,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Lol so does that mean fat people are fat due to their gene expression. Meaning they inherited it from their parents?
            Lol
            Let me get fat and blame my parents. Where is the personal responsibility?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Nitricc,

            I don’t know what school of study you are going, but if it is none science related, I recommend you to take some courses on the subject and you will find that Nitrcc is an expression of his mother and father gene expression or a recessive of your few generation back. No more dialogue on this.

          • Nitricc

            According to you and Semere then the Eritreans who are feeling instead of fighting is due to lack of fighting gene from their patents, right?
            Let me tell you one thing
            As long as meiosis and mitosis is successfully completed; and the chromosomes are fine, then the gene expression and excuse for once action is over.
            It is what you do and what your surrounding affects you.
            Aman at one point the know it all thought to know and understand protons too.
            Anyway you get my drift.

      • Nitricc

        Aman, I know.
        I am saying this because I was told “ with out the TPLF help; Eritrea independence would have never metalized” she told us to our face and I am showing, it is the other way around.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Nitricc,

          Stretching my advice again, you don’t have to be arrogant because you are talking to an arrogant. One person can not have two personality such as “arrogant and humble”, “rationale and irrational”, ” bold and coward” “reasonable and unreasonable”….etc. So my point is if you are humble don’t try to be arrogant, if you are rational don’t try to be irrational, at any circumstance and time just act the way who you are. We have an Eritrean values that are, respect, humility, authenticity, hospitality and use them as a vehicle with your argument. In wars there is always pull and push. So “Fekera” isn’t a good instrument when the circumstance dictate you to pull in a bloody war. Stay to be humble and respectful both to your friend and foes – the basic tool in politico-diplomacy.

          • Nitricc

            Aman I got you, thanks.

          • dine

            Selam Aman
            are you sure this ”Fekera” is not eritrean thing? because every time i see eri-tv, music, celebration i see ”fekera”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam dine,

            All you hear from the mass media of PFDJ doesn’t represent the Eritrean people’s value. It is all PFDJ political culture and value system. So dine, truth can be told without “Fekera” as it happened.

          • dine

            Selam Aman,
            i agree with you ,the whole truth and nothing but the truth must be told without ”fekera”.

    • dine

      you still talking about a war that happened 40 years ago, come on man i know you know better than that, by the way do you know TPLF operate a flying tank NOW.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Serray,

    Actually your statement reminds me the traumatic bonding called “the Stockholm Syndrome.” It is a classic of that phenomenon where the victim have a positive feeling to the point of defending and identifying themselves with their victimizer. So I saw many instances in the psychic of Eritrean society. I think this is one of our converging views within the context of Eritrean politics.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Papillon

    Dear AT,

    I need your help. I can’t post using my nick anymore. I can only post as a Guest, that is, every time I try to comment, Discus would ask me if I want to post as a Guest. What do you think I should do? Thank you.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas

    The national forum for dialog for change (MedreK) says that the release of the document “Where is your brother?” by the Eritrean Catholic Church bishops reflects the “gathering momentum for change” inside Eritrea. The Eritrean regime says it would make public response tomorrow. Please listen 7:12 – 10:10 min

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/audioconsole/?stream=focusonafrica

    Regards

    • Rodab

      Dear Hailat,
      Epic!
      I can’t wait to hear what the tyrannyistas have to say about this. I expect them to blame Badme, America, the wind, the rain and flooding in Thailand, the sun, world cup 2014…..everyone and everything except the incompetence of their own.

      Since when do they respond to criticism anyway? The unprecedented attention this development is getting among Eritreans and world media must have caused them insomnia, and they realized keeping it quiet will only make things worse for them. But then instead of addressing the few targeted audience (regime supporters), why don’t they address the Eritrean people directly through the media they monopolize?

      • Papillon

        Dearest Rodab,

        Do you expect the regime or any personality with in the “spin-room” will pick up the phone tomorrow and get back to BBC and give them what he or she had promised to do? What the regime will probably do is have one of its lackeys in Diaspora or Wedi-GeraHtu to go on and rumble about as you have aptly put it Weyane and the other usual suspects. Incidentally, it is great to see that the seasoned diplomat is giving a face to the Opposition as he articulately highlights the crude and dire reality of a nation under a tyrant. One thing I happen to beg to differ with his take is that, the Isaias regime is pressure-proof if you will where he eliminates people as opposed to responding to a demand. My hunch is that, he will probably try to have other clergies with in the Catholic Church condemn what the four brave Bishops have underlined. Furthermore, the tyrant will try to isolate them with in their own church and he will try to bring to the fore faces who can give the Church a ሃገራዊ paint to it. Asmara Rose is Catholic and she is probably shuttling here and there to defame the very spiritual leaders she grew up “listening” to.

        Haft’kha.

  • Hawka abey Alo

    I thank you to the four brave bishops from the bottom of my heart for speaking the truth with out fear. I cannot wait Sophia Tesfamariam response to this well articulated Eritrean people misery and the undeniable truth under the blood sucking dictatorial regime. Sophia who claims to practice Catholic religion cannot spin this and accuse these men of god into CIA conspiracy or corrupt officials. You can spin and bend the truth but you cannot hide from the truth. Eventually the truth is going to catch up to you. To all HGDEF selfish cadres, I would leave you with my favorite Mahatma Gandhi quotes:
    “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
    Amen to that!

  • We have problems with the majority of christian faith,-the Orthodox. what happens with them ? Why they disappeared behind the injustice and oppressed rule that kept the whole church and its people under the custody? Why are they silent, mute, and behave like a dead fish and byproduct of our beloved society? Since they are majority we expect them to lead and their voice be clearly heard.
    The Catholics did their share and I hope the protestants will pursue and wake the sleeping lion- the main stream!!

    • haileTG

      Hi Wed garza,

      Here is an Orthodox priest in Frankfurt Germany. He is Opening Champagne for HGDEF’s 23 years rule 🙂

  • Tesfu

    Haile TG
    “Why not a Catholic? Not one. They had their way on every single issue”
    First of all, I am Catholic, and I know there is some truth to it , on some facts, but to say they have not faced any challenges is dead wrong. And on many times their property have been vandalized, and their cars stolen in broad daylight, when they complained to higher, to no avail ( nedeki mai wredla). This is true story, with no embellishing.

    • haileTG

      Selam Tesfu,

      I have no reason to doubt your words. Except to sympathize with those fellow nationals whom were made to go through that kind of vandalism to their properties and the deaf ears that you said they got from the authorities (instead of prompt response to their queries).

      Now compare that to the many still languishing in shipping containers, house arrests, priests made to go to military service, offerings and tithing, controlled and confiscated and killings and disposal off bodies….

      “Freed in December 2006, she took refuge in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, before being granted asylum.Ms Berhane uses a wheelchair because of severe injuries to her legs and feet sustained in prison beatings…” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/7056120.stm

      Again, I would re-iterate that ONLY RC priests under 40 are exempted from NS (pregnancy and motherhood being the other cases) in Eritrea. ONLY RC church has COMPLETE AUTONOMY in Eritrea. According to the BBC “… the bishop of the capital, Asmara, in particular, wields considerable influence in the country.” http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27760287

      Dear Tesfu, I am not here to prove anything. I fully endorse what the bishops of the Eritrean RC church bishops said.

      I salute you for being straight forward and dealt with what I actually wrote or claimed. I respect when that happens in a debate.

      It is rather senseless and devoid of intellectual honesty when people ignore what is written and rather advance their own separate narrative of inconsequential hyperbole albeit somewhat nuanced to appear to be part of the issue at hand. Disingenuous and futile.

      Again, thanks for directly dealing with what I said, honesty is a virtue.

      Regards

    • Hopeful

      Thanks Tesfa.I could have given plenty of evidence to Haile as you mentioned but am not sure that would change his perception.I thought he is a Cathoilc Insider but I am afraid of,that it seems that he just collects,cuts and pastes things here and there.
      To mention few:
      -The Eritrean Catholic Church has been harrassed, threatened,vandalized,etc–right and left
      -The Catholic Church properties have been vandalized and even one of the Catholic Church Vehicles was set up to be used to ” Assasinate Gen Philipos” at one time but was exposed.
      -DIA threatned the Church that all the Catholic Schools and properties will be” Nationalized”
      -Most Catholic Projects for Social Justice(Schools, Dams,Wells, Food Aid,Health Projetcs,etc–at one point were grounded and some of them were buldozed down
      -All most all the Positive Actitivities by the Catholic Church have been either sabotaged or belittled.Take the case of Hagaz Agro-Tech Institute,built and run by the Christain Brothers of the Catholic Church.
      -One of the most disgustings things is the suspension of the building of the St Michael Cathedral of Keren for years but only to be allowed just a year ago,while allowing the building of the New Modern Mosque in Keren within a year.
      -Make sure you know that the Universal Catholic Church and by default,the Eritrean Catholic Church, is at the Fore-front at all FRONTS for the BEST INTEREST of the Humanity in all aspects of Social Justice, irrespective of their:
      – OIRGIN
      -CREED,
      -COLOR
      -REGION
      -IDENTITY
      -GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
      -etc—
      Where ever you go,more than 80 % of the beneficiaries of the Catholic Church of these Social Justice System are Non-Catholics and even,non-Christians; and even Muslims in the case of Eritrea.
      That is why PIA is unhappy and paranoid about the activitie of the Catholic Church.
      The only thing as Haile tried to argue is there is NO Catholic priest ,who is directly in the PFDJ Jail and we know the reason–PIA will be tortured more diplomatically-due to the Holy See’s/Vatican’s Status but only to some extent though as Serray eloquently elaboratedas the vatican is less pwoerful than th eUSA and the EU.
      There is ONE more sensible reason though as Serray argued correctly:The Catholic Faithful,despite their Minority Status, could be a big Threat to PIA,if PIA “bites” the Catholic Leadership.Hey,it is possible that they could go out to the Streets after a Sunday Sermon and lead the Revolution,the Tahrir Square Style….and then what?The whole Asmarinos will shake Asmera–and then the Kerenites—etc–will follow suit.Tthen what? The END of PFDJ Rule.
      Do you smell it?

      • Hopeful

        Correction; read: “pwoerfulas” ;”powerful”; “vatican” as “the Vatican”;priest, as Priest.Mu apology–as ijust hitthe “submitbutton before I read things.

  • Omer Osman

    At last, some religious leaders who have the courage to break the silence and defy the repressive PFDJ regime. May God/Allah and the Eritrean people protect them from the vicious dictator Isayas and his PFDJ gangs! This indicates that the patience of the Eritrean people is running out with dictator Isayas and his collaborators. Enough is enough, dictator Isayas and his PFDJ group have done everything possible to destroy a country that came about by heavy sacrifices. It’s now time for these power-hungry despotes to leave the Eritrean people alone. It’s time for them to face justice, and take their punishment for all the sufferings they have inflicted upon the Eritrean people.

    -All political prisoners and prisoners of conscience should be freed immediately.

    -The PFDJ should be dissolved immediately.

    -All Eritrean intellectuals should arrange a national reconcilliation conference.

    -A transitonal parliament should be elected among the Eritrean intellectuals.

    -The Transitional Parliament would have the responsibility of running the country through a period of one year.

    -Within one year this Transitional Parliament would prepare the groundwork for a more inclussive political atmosphere in Eritrea.

    -First free and fair elections be held in Eritrea based on the regulations of the Transitional Parliament

    -A new democratically elected Government forms in Eritrea.

    -The implementation of the ratified Eritrean Constitution from 1997 starts at the same time as the new Government takes office.

    -A free and independent court of law looks at all the crimes that dictator Isayas and his collaborators committed throughout the Eritrean Independence struggle and, especially after the Independence.

    -The dictator and his collaborators face the justice that they have denied the Eritrean people, and recieve their punishment from the free and independent court of law.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Serray, Hope and Ermias:
    To my mind the affidavit sounds fake. But it underscores the debates we had about tegadalti, spending the better part of their lives fighting for freedom, they have nothing to show for it, not for themselves, not for their kids and certainly not for us. Look at Ali Abdu, joined when he was under age, rose to be a minister with direct access to the dictator and he is exiled and his child under arrest for a year and half. His silence is understandable given his family’s predicament, but where is that turgid confidence, where is that excessive arrogance, where is that aura of invincibility that he exuded when was replying to the softballs of VoA.

    Hope: you seem to care about the safety of the criminals over the safety of their victims, what is your enchantment with the dangerous kind? Let PFDJ eat each other to extinction by killing and imprisoning. We know that although change will come from inside, it is not from the top echelons, whose livelihood and survival is intertwined with the dictator, but from the likes of Wedi Ali, it will be naive to expect change from the Sibhat’s, and the China’s and all the generals so if DIA turns around and eliminates or imprisons them, it is something to celebrate and not mourn.

    When the world was in the brink of third word world war during the Cuban missile crises, president Kennedy told his brother that ‘we had good life and that he is not afraid for himself, but his feared about the future of his children and the children of the world. It seems that our leaders, who are tegadalti do not even care about their kids and wasted their years charming and serving the whims of a dictator in waiting. And you cannot blame the tegadality without blaming the intellectuals of ghedli years. Our fighters and population trusted the leaders, they were mostly illiterate and farmers, gullible and trusting, but the intellectuals, who read and rhapsodized over the eloquence of Jefferson’s apt quotes like: ” in questions of power let no more be heard of the trust in man but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.” were silent in preparing and educating the people, they enjoyed this intellectual freedom alone and relished it when they teach the foreign students.
    At the end of the day there has to be some price and sacrifice that must be paid to redeem the liberties and those who paid dearly for many years in the wilderness of the mountains are crippled with fear when it comes to the question of demanding their freedom for themselves
    Sem

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Ahlen Sem,

      “They enjoyed this intellectual freedom alone and relished it when they teach the foreign students.” Waw! This a merciless bullet to the heart of Eritrean intellectuals.

    • Hopeful

      Sem,
      Thanks.I agree with you but your assertion that I care less about the victims rather than the criminals is but absurd.
      Please,as much as you are articulate and coherent,I expect your imagination/thought process to be as such.
      No need to be judgemental–Please try to avoid speculations and assumptions.
      It is “Illegal” here in th eUSA,not sure in Canada though,to judge people based on “Specualtion,Assumption and even Perception”.

  • Serray

    Selamat Haile,

    The point you raised could be raised about anyone, any organization, that resists shaebia’s draconian rules. The right question to ask is not why the catholic church resists when the other religions chicken out, but why does the inhuman regime of human traffickers accept its resistance. According to your reasoning, the only reason the regime of murderers don’t punish the catholic church is because of vatican. Here is a regime that arrests the employees of the most powerful nation on earth but somehow it is scared to death of a church with little power?

    Here is another angle where your questions collapse: even if we assumed you are right, how exactly does the vatican offer protection to these four brave souls? If Sweden cannot free Dawit, how does the vatican free these priests if the regime arrests them? The vatican has no pull against a regime of sadists who run a country to the ground but somehow maintain a prison system for profit.

    What your questions take away is the idea of organic and courageous resistance. I have no ready made answer why the leaders of eritrean catholic church are courageous when the leaders of the other religion are chickens but if I were to guess, I would say it has to do with the response from catholics if their church leaders were arrested or harassed. I would say the connection of the believers with their leaders are stronger for catholics. When church leaders are assigned by an atheist regime, the followers might not be as inspired as the followers of a church that keeps its way doing things intact.

    There is also at work what Ayn Rand calls the sanction of the victim. There are certain crimes that can not happen without the consent of the victim. The reason the other religions are disrespected by the regime is maybe because they allow it. If the tewahdo and muslim leaders stood up, their followers would have revolted but since they are terrified of losing their position, they have accepted pure evil to dictate their lives.

    The danger to your questions is that it could be asked of any brave souls. Why does wedi ali and his comrades revolt? Reading Ali Abdu’s affidavit (if true) many top officials of the regime are opposed to everything the sick dictator is doing, but only wedi ali and his comrades took action. Why? The thing is, Haile, some people are more courageous than others. Don’t look far, both Saleh’s, Amanuel Hidrat, the Semeres, YG, Amanuel Iyassu, Gezae and many others write openly, you and I don’t. Why not? These courageous people love eritrea as much if not more than we do but they gave up seeing their country, their loved ones back home, as long as the regime of human traffickers is in power.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Ahlen Serray,

      Some of your argument sometimes drives me to think about socio-psychological aspect of social struggle. You got me again today. So could you elaborate the following statement that my eyes are falling in love of it. And that is: “There are certain crimes that can not happen without the consent of the victim.” For certain thing I love this statement.

      Hawka,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Serray

        Selamat Amanuel, Semere and Thomas,

        Amanuel, in this context, Ayn Rand’s certain crime do not happen without the consent of the victims, I meant if the tewahdo and muslim leaders tell the regime to go to hell (that is where they eventually end up anyway) and told their followers to revolt, then shaebia leaders had no choice but walk away the way they did with catholic leaders. Theoretically, religion is more pervasive than politics and given the two religions represent ninety person of our country, the regime would have thought twice before lashing out. But these leaders allowed the regime to bully them, thus they sanctioned their own victimhood.

        Thomas gave a reason why the leaders of tewahdo church allow shaebia leaders to dictate the the rules of their House of God. If he is right, then that is a case of victims consenting to have crimes happening to them. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn says the freest man is the man who has nothing to lose; the man who lost everything. You can’t withhold anything from this man because he has nothing.

        Here is another example of victims consenting, in eritrea today there are more armed men against shaebia leaders than there are for them and yet shaebia orders these people around like they are carrying toys. As Thomas mentioned of the tewahdo clergy, these people are tied to their loved ones, to things, to dreams, and they allow shaebia to brutalize them because of that.

        Change comes when the victim says enough; when a man stands in front of tanks to stop them with nothing more than his body. What is frightening about shaebia tegadelti is they were once that brave – when they decided to head to medda leaving everything behind – but they came back tied to an organization that is making mockery of their decision to stand in front of flying bullets. Just like tewahdo clergy, shaebia tegadelti now consent crimes to happen to them, to their families and to the people they once gave up everything to free ethiopian rulers. Shaebia tegadelti are the supreme example of victims consenting to have crimes happen against them.

    • Hopeful

      S h o o t and Bingo!,
      Serray,how did I miss you that long ,man?
      My apology and thanks for your courage to call a spade,a spade and hitting things to the point.
      I endorse your points as they are:
      Quote:
      -“What your questions take away is the idea of organic and courageous resistance”!!!
      “–but if I were to guess, I would say it has to do with the response from Catholics if their Church Leaders were arrested or harassed. I would say the connection of the believers with their leaders are stronger for Catholics. When Church Leaders are assigned by an atheist regime”,
      -“.Haile, some people are more courageous than others..Don’t look far, both Saleh’s, Amanuel Hidrat, the Semeres, YG, Amanuel Iyassu, Gezae and many others write openly, you and I don’t. Why not?”
      -“….. but only wedi ali and his comrades took action. Why?
      Because some are more courageous than others!!!
      Let me add:
      Every time the Bishops address their issues,they do it in a legal format-and in UINSON and in writing the tough questions and answeres they might have; and they demand answers in writing..They CC—in file and –CC:To Whom It May Concern.”
      Proud to be one of yours!
      Hopeful/Hope

    • Thomas

      How about if the reason is because the tewahdo/orthodox priests don’t want to jail time risk for the sake of their kids and the catholic bishops don’t for their lives because they don’t have kids anyways:)) I know I will sound stupid for saying this.

      • abinet

        Jesus ordered the church leaders
        “Begochen tebqu” he did not say “simechachu begechen tebqu”
        thanks

  • Yodita

    Dear Haile TG,

    Do we want to encourage and empower the others to follow suit or do we want to create equality by subtraction by denying credit to the Catholic Church of Eritrea? Do we want to upgrade and encourage or do we want to downgrade and discourage? I know where my aspiration and dream lies. Yours seems to prioritize a childlike innocence and what have you above any other consideration. You are free to indulge. Enjoy being true to yourself and being speculative and sceptical (remember your initial reaction to Wedi Tukabo’s defection?). I hope I am not wrong, but you down played it!

    The spark for the downfall of Emperor HS in Ethiopia came from a simple malaise expressed by taxi drivers. When there is a general social discontent that is denied expression, actions like what the bishops are doing can be crucial is how I read the phenomenon. Apparently, for you who is very visible in wanting change in Awate.com, it is a different matter.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Sis Yodita,

      Anyone who come forcefully to challenge the regime, be it from religious leaders or from any concerned citizen, we must encourage them and call others to follow suit. It is fact, in the last two decades the catholic church leaders came twice to challenge and criticize the government. How did this become controversial with Haile-TG, I don’t understand. Why don’t we use the call of the priests for galvanizing the public to rally on the demands of these great men of conscience. So I am with you on your take.

      Hawki,
      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Yosief

    Dear brothers and sisters in the name of motherland,

    I am delighted when I read the paper released by blessed fathers.I came to realize that we are not forgotten at all.But we have to know that they did their duty and need not your or my appreciation.I wish the rest religious denominators leaders to follow their foot step.

    My concern is ,however, to those who are trying to analyze things from more biased bases and those with inflated points just either from their personal drives or other hidden rationales.It is better to look at what unified us than what divided as, development than divisive politics ,peace to war,brotherliness to sunhat,love and affection to jealousy.

    Dear brothers and sisters,
    We are in cross road of change and let it for the good of all people of Eritrea-Muslim and Christians. History is not telling us what you are trying to tell us- under-nationalistic thinking.It is better to look for a broader national perspective than just acting like indomitable lions of computer.We,Eritrean people, have a unique blinking history and it is the duty of all the young generation to look beyond the flawed ideas.
    God bless Eritrea!!!!

  • Ermias

    Serray, I read Ali Abdu’s affidavit. I don’t know whom to believe any longer that is why I am gravitating towards YG increasingly.

    • Hopeful

      Welcome back Ermi,
      Eventhough the Document/Affidavit looks authentic,I am hoping that it is” Fake”.
      I am more than confused than ever–though will NOT lean towards the School of YG by any means and under any circumstance,at least as a direct but junior EPLF member-my conscience will not allow me to think so,let alone to do so.
      Ermi,put the Eritrean people and Eritrtea;and their true history at the CENTER,NOT few people who messed up and have led some people like YG et al to postulate otherwise.
      But remember that the major motivation behind the Affidavit is for Asylum,as most of us who sought for asylum have(might) done.
      My major concern is that most of the Senior people he mentioned are at home and the document literally exposed them to be at a major risk of being decimated as we speak,if at all what is reported is true and serious.
      I am sure some people will hate me for prematurely mentiong this issue here eventhough it has already become viral all over overnight.

    • Serray

      Selam Ermias,

      Reading Yg at this particular time in our history provides better answers than what the ghedli romantics can. After all, if the affidavit is real, we are doomed. The romantics provide no answers other than splitting things and time between good and bad. Their explanation revolves around nonexistent dichotomies. For me where Yg excels is explaining how our rules devolved in medda and became corrupt, brutal human traffickers in asmera.

  • Nitricc

    SG I am afraid we are diverging on this one. I am the believer of religion should be eradicated from the face of the earth before Polio. The last thing we need is religion to go wild uncheck. If one thing needs close scrutiny and full eye watch is religion. People do good and bad things but with name of religion; they do evil. So, I disagree on this one, SG. A government should be involved and limit the power of religion. Religion should be kept in check and it should be private.

    • Thomas

      So, they need to be put in jail. Remember, the same type of a concerted campaign was done against the G15. Did you just get instructions from Yemane Gebreab/Monkey to say this all.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatistas,

    here is my immediate comments after hearing the news about the church initiatives.

    @haile TG, I know my wave of thinking and yours have lots of similar amplitudes though yours is superior in its energy content and fineness to hit the tones of the readers. Mine being with low frequency and higher wavelength makes it of less energetic, but your totally the opposite, with larger frequency and shorter wavelengths is what all you compose. What you compose here reaches very far, very far beyond one can imagine, the huge and sharp energy of reaching and penetrating every where.

    Let’s now drop the physics class (the spirit science) and deal with my main message.

    Where is your brother?

    Cain Murders Abel and so is PFDJ to Eritreans

    Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?” He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.…

    And PFDJ MURDERED ERITREANS

    After constant torture, slavery and indefinite violation of Eritrean rights by PFDJ, the people flee from their own home. They are not lucky, all they encountered is trafficking, drowning and injustice in the countries where they dreamt they will be safe. The anguish increased, families became lonely and crying day and night. Death of their beloved children is what they hear always. It is terrible, terrible of terrible.

    As Cain did to his own brother Abel, so is PFDJ doing to his own people. The same is happening to Eritreans by their own brothers. PFDJ is killing Eritreans. And when he was asked where they are, he reported plainly with no feeling, “They are Illegal Africans Immigrants.” He denied them and even he forgot Africans are of his own brothers.

    This is too much for Eritreans, to much barbaric and inhumane. Though late, now, the church is yelling to her own children about where they are. A call from the church, in search of its own children. The churches
    are feeling the loneliness. No young people are attending the masses. No songs are played, except old families are praying and calling to God to bring them back their beloved children. No hymn is played in thanking
    God. Only cry are raising to the heavens. Only tears are poured like a shower day and night.

    God is now looking the churches and is asking them why all this? Why I can’t receive praise, the hymn that was echoing to me before. God is saying I missed the songs which were coming to me every Sunday, every morning. He asked the church, where are my kids, those who were playing the songs of David to me, the musical notes of Yared to me? Where are they? God asked the church, why all these deep anguish, everyday mourning? Why this all blood tears?

    As a result, the church is forced to search for its own kids that she has lost them in the past 15 years. The question is to the killer, the same as God asked to Cain, so is the church to PFDJ.

    Where is your brother? Gen. 4:9

    Hawkum
    tes

  • haileTG

    Selam Hopeful

    I hope you got some gist of my debate points here. Trust me, the last thing I wanted to do is to dampen any one’s raised hopes by asking too many questions. It is no fun to be thought of zeragito when the intent is to try to clarify matters. That is the best we do her at AT, no fear, just open up cases and debate them to your heart’s delight 🙂

    Back to the questions you asked, you need to remember that the RC have pastoral programs, part of which include sermon programs themselves. My assumption is that the theme of such sermons would reflect local issues that would impact the work and growth of RC. You can’t have a Catholic church that is not part of the Holy See. The church in ONE. What that imply is that if hgdef breaks off or severe its link to the Vatican, it would be writing off the entire followers of the faith. And if it keeps the link, it can’t interfere in its internal affairs and still have them. It is catch 22.

    With the above in mind, the Catholic church Bishops have been putting their foot against many of hgdef directives:

    – The Catholic clergy (under 40) are the only Eritreans who can avoid national service

    – The Catholic Church is the only religious denomination in Eritrea that doesn’t give hgdef any access to its books.

    – The Catholic Church is the only church that refused to hand over its previously owned properties to hgdef

    – The Catholic Church is the ONLY religious organization that defied hgdef on Every directive and not even one of their ranks has been jailed to date.

    – The Catholic Bishops were able to call for Constitution with no fear, while wed Ali and G-15 paid with their lives for saying the same

    There are other questions that I could have legitimately asked about your “Universal Justice” assertions and whether we can also ask them “where is your brother?” Given that often times they seem to challenge hgdef on their individual turf but not as much like the house of God in EOC was violated by the arrest of the Orthodox patriarch, when disabled tegadelti were killed and jailed, when wia happened, when adi abeyto happened, when parents were asked to pay 50000 nakfa for missing children, when no mourning day was held for Lampedusa victms….Can we say “Father, where is your brother?” in those cases?

    I know, just as Yodita said, this act has huge advantage to our people and opposition and we should thank them for that eternally. But, I am a huge fan of seeing Eritreans regain their DIGNITY one day, as such we can’t regain our dignity if we are afraid to deal with truth, whichever and wherever it is found. I see no contradiction in praising a good deed and criticizing its down side as honest as I see it. How else can I respect myself enough to regain my dignity otherwise? We must own our minds and strive to find truth.

    Regards

    • Yodita

      Dear Haile TG,

      You seem to leave no stone unturned to lay the credit of the Eritrean Catholic Church elsewhere, as it is you keep stretching the argument to tilt it to the Vatican, i.e. outside Eritrea. All this in the name of the love for honesty and truth!! I just beg to differ with you and will read all your future entries with magnifying glass to assess the quality and strength of your opposition and activism to help bring about the overdue change in our part of the world. It is like shooting on your foot to make repeated HYPOTHESIS, under the guise of honesty and truth about the origins of the document and the courageous act by the local Catholic Church of our country which could affect an already volatile and near explosion social situation to a collective NO.

      If all the change makers on the side of the trodden were driven by honesty and truth of a literary, academic or debating nature, and lacked in tactic and strategy to promote their activities and kept on shooting their own feet, a good slice of humanity would still be in serfdom, living in abject misery and mercilessly oppressed by ruthless, greed-driven minorities. I bet hgdef is happy to have some people who in the name of honesty or truth of their own logic give them the clues to behave the inhuman way they do.

      I have, in this case, lost you Haile TG. I am a doubly careful reader of yours from now on but from a different angle. Your keeping on repeating and expounding on the fact that this doc is from outside has, in my very humble view, a ‘pointed’ flavour. IA has created a monstrous system thriving on this particular Eritrean predicament: our wanting to find hair on an eggshell, forgetting the MAIN issue. We stop at the finger and are blind to the moon!

      All we know is that this outcry, in a signed document form, is coming from inside Eritrea with signature and all, by none less than four bishops! No matter how able you may be to trace its origins even to the birth of Jesus Christ, it remains pure SPECULATION. Although, hammering on it will change nothing, it can weaken a momentum. It is like pouring cold water on some that is at a boiling point, so it seems to me.

      I hope this post is not harsh but I am freely using your same ‘weapons’: honesty and truth.

      • haileTG

        Hey Yodita,

        Trust me, I am sensitive to what you say. This is why I am repeatedly stating that we need thank the Bishops for their courage, the content of what they said was highly balanced and well thought out in all aspects and we pray for them to continue the strength to remain steadfast.

        My debate point here is carefully toned down to avoid the kind feelings that was stirred in you (albeit it appears that it didn’t succeed, when reading your response). There is no criticism of the bishops from my part in any sense of the word. There is no criticism of its substance and the manner it was communicated. There is no question of their principled and steadfast loyalty to their calling and devotion. And there is no understating of the significance of their added voice to the ongoing struggle for rule of law in Eritrea.

        Having said all of the above, my understanding, based on manifest and evident facts on the ground, is that their ability to do so (with which I agree wholeheartedly) is not an evidence of the existence of meaningful “change seeking” resistance from the inside. The bishops drive their power and ability to challenge and defy the regime from the outside.

        Now, the reason I argued so, was due to the fact that we can see the bishops can ask for constitutional governance and rule of law and live and breath proudly, while anyone else, including high ranking veterans of the armed struggle, military leaders, PFDJ top dogs…can expect instant disappearance and death for doing so. The bishops refused PFDJ interference in their church over the years by:

        – refusing to send their priests to NS
        -refusing to show their books to PFDJ goons
        -refusing to hand over any of their properties
        -calling a spade is a spade in regards any political issue without giving a damn to what the PFDJ thinks or says

        And here you see them, they are untouchable, NOTHING whatsoever PFDJ could ever do. Where is the Orthodox Patriarch? Why? What happen to the minority church followers? why? Why are young Orthodox and Islam religious leaders required to go to Sawa? Why are their institutions of faith turned the mouth piece of the regime?

        Even at the level of reacting to events, what more can the “change from inside” camp need to show results? Over half a million youth leaving the country, virtually no functioning system in the country, no water, no electricity, no work, no pay, no nothing. Many killed, brutalized, disappeared, all rights violated, all citizen privileges removed, the country locked down, life reduced to contraband, people wondering if civil war is an option or not, many horrific events at seas and deserts, mass arming of civilians, tiring and demoralizing the hell out of the people with micro dam digging, night patrols marching them in long lines for kilometers in the early hours of the morning….Where is the “change from inside”? Even Forto2013 was made an issue of here in the “outside”, all the “inside” has done was to either quietly slip the borders to Ethiopia or those killed and incarcerated took their due and that was that.

        Dear Yodita, IA doesn’t give the ability or culture to find hair in an egg, far from it. It is a hush hush system of mafia. You don’t ask hard questions and in exchange the magnifying glass is spared from you. That is what has killed our once proud tradition, mutually trusting relationships and so forth as a society. One need to keep their mouth shut, either they would be scrutinized, hgdef starts to author the “Men Eyu” series for those who dare ask. I don’t think such inspires to attempt to find any hair at all, much less in an egg or a boldy guys scalp. Transparency, honesty, respect, dignity are the way to the gates of truth which usher to peace, well being and safety of our nation. Whatever you do, please never read me without magnifying glass. That would be a favor I would never be able to reciprocate. Such is not an isolated action for me, rather a standard nature of my discourse. I would hold Ghedli high and criticize the folly of tegadelti, I would hold my Ethiopian brothers and sisters in high esteem and criticize them for not submitting to rule of law in resolving the border issue, I would hold the act of the bishops in high regard and call on them to use the power that they have to speak for more issues more often, I will call for the peaceful resolution of the current Eritrean crisis but also understand and give total sympathy for my minority brothers and sisters who find their condition desperate enough to force them to engage in armed insurrection.

        Dear Yodita, I consider myself highly fortunate in comparison to those at home. I need not take desperate measures but considered and balanced. I understand their desperation, but need to be a voice of reason and balance for them. In all this one needs to avoid boxing themselves into a predictable set of actions and responses. That is not the way for bringing true change. We need to change into finding ourselves, into speaking our minds, and inquiring with a child like confidence. It should not be misconstrue as some kind of hostile or covert act to undermine known prospects of resolution. The true resolution remains inside us, resolving to be true to our self and not to what we are cornered into thinking to be as our last chance for redemption.

        I welcome your magnifying glass proposal (in fact insist that you would always do that), but in the above response I didn’t get the magnifying glass challenge that I was hoping for in the points that I listed. Instead, my pass was revoked and told that I may never get it back should I continue like that…tsk tsk tsk 🙂

        Regards

    • Hopeful

      Dear Haile TG,
      Thanks for your points and clarification.I agree with most of your points.
      Let me say few things:
      -Please be cautious NOT to misunderstand and misquote few naive debators.
      -I have had no clue about your term:”Zeragito”….At least had NO intention of it.
      -Get the message but the MESSAGE,irrespective of the details of the “Source”.
      -That is the way the Universal (Catholic)Church does its business all over the World,the Eritrean case is NOT the exception
      -Eeven if the “pressure and guidance” are from “Outside”,the Conference of the Eritrean Catholic Bishops has been,is and will be responsible for the Document
      -This is NOTthe first time, as you conquerred,The Eritrean Bishops ,protested openly besides behind the scene protest.
      -I agree that the Bishops should have pushed on a timely basis including those grievances and incidents you mentioned,at least theoretically..
      -The Catholic Church/The Holy See is NOT under any kind of influence-be it the EU or the CIA,rather,it might be the Opposite
      Finally:
      -Not sure about the essence of the detailed arguements of the subject matter-the “Whys,the “Whats”,the”Whiches”,the specualtions,assumptions,etc.. when the message is crystal clear.
      -No need of comparing the Apples with Oranges.
      The rest,I refer you to Yodita as my debating ability is limited.
      Out of the topic though and out of curiosity:
      You sound like SAAY or Ali Abdu reporting form the “Belly of the Beast”,at times.Just kidding–
      but heading towards the new and controversial Affidavit reoported at Assenna.Com if you could apply your inquisitive brain and mind on that issue.
      Please advise.
      Thanks for your input.
      Regards.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Selam,

    Don’t get angry, you will get-up finished. Stay focused instead of insulting. Be peace upon you as your name indicates.

    Hawki
    tes

    • Salem

      I’m angry that there are Eritreans like you around. Daft, useless and ignorant of the reality that Eritrea faces. Stop focusing on trivial things.

  • Rodab

    Dears Pappi and Sabi,
    Where are you ladies these days?
    If you don’t comment on the current topic, you get points deducted from your contributions so far.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatistas,

    Because of my exam time, I can’t follow properly all the flows these times. But, one thing caught my eyes and I want to share with you.

    After Eritrean delegates were reported using Ethiopian Airlines from Sudan to Egypt for attending the new presidential inauguration ceremony, Eri-TV is now trying hard to proof DIA”s use of Eritrean Airlines while returning back home. Shame to PFDJ and success for the big influence to the slum politics of PFDJ. PFDJ is now turned to respond for every opposition mass media.

    Watch the attached video between 1:15-1:27, just ten seconds, they brought it just to proof that DIA has used the Cairo airport and Eritrean Air Flight.

    http://www.eritrea-chat.com/eritv-tigrigna-news-8th-june-2014/

    Hawkum
    tes

    • Salem

      Who cares? Both the opposition and supporters are arguing about nothing. Who cares if he flew, drove, walk, or swam? I swear this generation of Eritreans are utterly useless. Focus on the bigger picture you xxxxx.

    • Fenomeno

      Could not agree more, blame the regime for all the wrongdoings they are doing in Eritrea

      Only dont blame them for every thing. Some times people say PFDJis doing this and than they are talking about completely normal things. What is wrong with broadcasting that the head of state is visiting the inauguration of the new president of Egypt? Nothing.

      • Hopeful

        Salem and Fenomeno,
        Remember that this is “Opposition”.
        I just finished reading the latest posting by Assenna.As to the Regime issue,please be so kind to read Ex-Minister Ali Abdu’s Affidavit for Asylum Application.
        This is the most interesting and the most damaging allegation/revelation against PIA.
        This pust the Top Generals at risk ,specially the Life of Sibhat Efrem.
        I am NOT sure as to why he mentioned those speicifcs-about the Generals and specially Sibhat Efrem while they are at home.May be he thought that his Affidavit is strictly Confidential,which should be as far as I know.
        I know Assenna might have an access to this via the British /M16 Inetelligence Services or even the CIA but to put it online and publically?
        Have yoyr say

        • Rodab

          Dear Hopeful,
          If the document is authentic, then it will open can of worm for the military leadership…

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    The Catholic church is known to have challenged and rebuffed hgdef’s sadistic activities for long time now. My issue here is not to dispute that at all. Rodab has said that this was indication of “change from inside” and it must have come from “public pressure the bishops faced by worsening conditions of the people”. This argumentation is being echoed by other proponents of such idea too. In my opinion, that doesn’t hold very well to fact on the ground. Pop Francis was on record describing the Lampedusa disaster as “disgraceful to humanity”. The huge surge of migrants landing in Italy are frightening numbers, most are Eritreans and Syrians. The Pop’s first pastoral visit out of Rome after his election in March 2013 was to Lampedusa to meet migrants. The day he arrived at Lampedusa 166 Eritreans (Youth, women and children) also landed at the coast pulled out by Italian navy. It is conceivable that the Roman Catholic Church in Eritrea was directed to focus on this issue for the Easter pastoral message by the hierarchy in the Vatican. This would explain why it focused on migration rather than tones of other issues as political prisoners, lack of constitutional governance and rule of law. Even if those were addressed, it was done with in a general context rather than a main theme as was immigration. The other question is why now? Still the other question is the return of the bodies of the victims to family in Eritrea…

    There is no doubt this has been a huge political blow to the regime and embarrassment to every single self serving hgdefite. However, it definitely is a change from outside, centered on the way the problem is framed in the outside and and to say it has some kind of inside spark to it is hard to prove. When we see even ten out of the hundreds of thousands escaping the country stand and say hang on, I am staying here and demanding my right. Then we will say that hgdef’s sadism has room for change inside (before the whole country is washed away for good).

    Regards

    • Yodita

      Dear Haile TG,

      The fact on the ground is there is a document in Tigrigna highlighting in detail the tragedy of the whole Eritrean society signed by four Catholic bishops, period. Saleh Johar Gadi has pointed out that this is not the first time the Catholic Church intervenes and has produced part of a document of 2001, along the same lines, when neither Pope Francis nor Lampedusa were on the horizon. The spark happened already 13 years ago!!!!

      Your post,even though speculative, does not hesitate to affirm “….it definitely is a change from outside, centered on the way the problem is framed in the outside and to say it has some kind of inside spark to it is hard to prove.”

      You do not seem to consider that this is not the first time this particular church in our country is defiantly taking sides with the people. Furthermore, the Vatican has over a billion believers to cater for and it is very faith (church) specific. The document in question laments the predicament of the Eritrean people as a whole.

      Denying credit where it is due in no uncertain terms is not what we need now. An opposition or an activist should consider this document as manna from heaven given how tough it is to challenge the monster at home. To speculate on its origin and in fact declare that it “… definitely is change from outside …” is a grave error, in my view.

      • haileTG

        Dear Yodita,

        I think you have a point on the ” definitely is change from outside” way of phrasing it. Actually, as they say kab egri af y’enqef, the intention wasn’t to communicate “certainty” rather to sound persuasive. Your point stands and let me rephrase that “it is likely…”.

        Now, if you look on a couple of responses I gave to Rodab yesterday (along supporting links – US diplomatic cables), I did actually credited their past and present stand. I also went as far as mentioning (on my Tigrinya post) things that happened far before 2001, like the massacre at Ona and the shooting of the youth during the early days of dergue and how Catholic Church stood to its principle. So, in fairness, I hope that i haven’t left any stone (as much as I am able to do) from acknowledging and giving them credit to what they did.

        My discussion here is hoped to deal with the other side of the equation, i.e. the brutality of hgdef is so bad in Eritrea that my own first hand experience whenever I am there tells me that the people are EXTREMELY terrified and want nothing other than safe exit from the jaws of hgdef. Seriously, no exaggeration here, you need to experience how the people run in mass for hiding during giffa and how you see them desperately distressing if faced with threat of arrest. Arrest is equivalent to death penalty in Eritrea that it is hard to express it the terror that seizes the victims. Hgdef has genuinely tormented the people psychologically and the people know how far it can get up to in brutalizing them. I know people who left the country because they didn’t want to partake at the independence day dance shows and they know they would go to jail (which they understand as a one way street).

        So, I am trying to explor the “change from inside” idea in earnest and if I took away due credits inadvertently, that was never the intent.

        Regards

        • Yodita

          Friend Haile TG,

          I appreciate your post.

      • Hopeful

        Thanks Yodita for reading my mind and saving my time as I was ready to comment back to Haile and he fortunately clarified himself by even mentiong the previous stand of the Catholic Church.
        Remember that there was, and has been, a continous direct and indirect talks with PIA by the Eitrean Catholic Leadership including a direct invovlement of the Vatican Rep from Khartoum,the Sudan, few yrs ago.
        My question to Haile is:
        is he just assuming /speculating things or he has evidence from the “Original Sources”?
        He seems to me a knowledgeable and practisng Catholic Christain but i would expcect him to know the details of how the Universal Catholic Church works.It is the same Principle all the Catholic Leaderships follow all over the world.
        Standing and working hard for optimal Social Justice is ONE of the Guiding Principles of the Christian Church,irrespective of the Denominations,as we have ONLY ONE Christ,,ONE FAITH and ONE BAPTSIM, in the words of St Paul/Saul–and ONE Bible,no matter how people interpret it.

    • Serray

      Selam Haile TG,

      Yes, your speculation that the source for this document might be from outside definitely takes away some credit. These are very brave people; the regime’s brutality not only does not spare religious people, shaebia actually target them. A month doesn’t go by where shaebia is not arresting or harassing believers. These priests are sitting ducks; they spoke because not to has reached a point where their service to God becomes meaningless…a threshold the tewahdo and the muslim leaders passed long ago. These priests have no more protection than the embassy employees or a dual citizens. Your speculation does two damaging things: it takes away the “change from inside” nature of the document and it implies that they spoke because they have protection from vatican. Even worse, your speculation plays right into the regime supporters playbook.

      Hayat on the other thread warned about the enviability of a civil war absent a change. This document is another warning albeit spoken openly and at great risk to its authors. The 34 pages the G-15 made public in 2001 was their way of drawing out the people to speak up; of telling us at great risk to themselves that the regime is heading this way but we did what we do best, chicken out. Given the mute response from our political opposition to this letter your speculation really does not help.

      Haile the Great, sometimes things are what they look they are: isaias ignited badme, shaebia is higdef and this document is written by four spiritual leaders in response to the unbelievable brutality of our “liberators”.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Serray,

        You have interesting angle to it (as far as the possible damage my view may do), but let’s be honest. What is the worst that can happen now? I mean worse than what has gone on so far and continue to go on. There are two schools of thought: change from inside and change from outside. Sanctions, exposing the regime, isolating it, making it to face up to the humiliation it has meted out on the innocent people…are all thanks to the few who opposed it and the world at large that saw through the regime’s evil. If things are what they appear to be then what does IA’s visit to NYC tell you? 7000 in support and less than 50 opposing? I can verify personally that the majority of people (huge majority) are opposed to the regime. Yet, let me invite you back to listen to the many testimonies of ex-security guards and what is done to people there. Each and every one of those bishops are appointed by the Pope himself (the serving Pope at the time of their appointment). Please tell me that what would make the Catholic priests see things that the Evangelical Lutheran priests don’t? Why was it HGDEF able to take offerings (tithing) monies from the EOC and the Catholics resisted it, what about the enlisting of wulde kahnat or young priests from EOC and Catholic church resisted over the years.

        Here is something that might open your eyes (and help Hope to get some perspective on what he asked me0

        “… Pope Benedict XVI himself commented on the conscription standoff in December 2005, in his welcome speech to Eritrean Ambassador to the Vatican Petros Tseggai Asghedom.
        “In particular I would ask that [the native clergy’s] right to exemption from military service be respected,” the pontiff said. “Eritrea will be better served if they are free to pursue their Christian calling and respective vocations.”

        The other three government-sanctioned faiths – the Orthodox and Evangelical Lutheran churches and Islam – have reportedly acquiesced to the regime’s demands to send their clergy to military duty.”

        https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2007/08-August/newsarticle_5000.html/

        Now tell me Serray, why is that the Catholic Bishops routinely criticized and opposed the regime and none of them has ever faced jail???

        ” Since the end of 2003, the Catholic bishops have refused to submit comprehensive reports on their clergy and pastoral activities to the Department of Religious Affairs, insisting that they report only to the Vatican.
        They also have vigorously opposed a 2005 government demand that all of their priests and seminarians under the age of 40 must perform military duty. The church has also defied a subsequent government order to either reduce the number of Catholic priests or send them to military service.”

        Serray, didn’t the Jehova witness lost their citizenship for that very reason? Didn’t Pente got brutalized for reading a bible? Didn’t the EOC Pope got under house arrest for mild criticize of the bestial hgdef?

        Why not a Catholic? Not one. They had their way on every single issue!! None went for hgdef, it was hgdef 0 Catholic 10 wide margin victory.

        Serray, I hope you now answer with straight face and not try to fit facts to your perceptions but try to form the latter based on the facts.

        Regards

      • haileTG

        hey Serray,

        I have put out a response to yours (with substantial challenges), still held up @ disqus it will appear soon 😉

        • Serray

          Looking forward to it. By the way, did you read the affidavit of Ali Abdu posted on Assenna? I hope Sal shades some light on it.

  • haileTG

    “Where is your brother?” in audio recording….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZeoJG2h13E&feature=youtu.be

    • Rodab

      Hey Hailat,

      Thanks for the link.
      It was prematurely I complained yesterday about this call not getting enough attention. And you were right it was being digested. It has become the talk of town.
      In the absence of newspapers, I wonder to what extent this call has been communicated to where it matters the most, back home.

      Nice day!

      • haileTG

        Hey Rodab, no problem:) One question that is raised by your question of disseminating it in Eritre is: wouldn’t it contradicting your “change from inside” premise that the bishops were responding to popular pressure by their followers due to worsening conditions? That would mean that two way communication was going on and there is no problem in delivering the message to those inside as it was intended for them in response to their questions. Do you see contradiction?

        • Rodab

          Hello Hailat,
          Quick clarification on the ‘seemingly’ contradiction of my statements:
          We have two separate issues. On one hand, we have the authors getting pressured by the hardship of those whom they serve, and act on it to publish the grievances. On the other hand, I was wondering, in the absence of print media or other forms, how do they communicate what they published not only to their fellowships but also to the rest of the society, as their contribution applies to everyone, equally.
          It later occurred to me that the answer to my question rests on radios Assenna and Erena, and the internet to a tiny extent. VoA-Tigrigna has excellent exposure (personal experience) but they tend to act as dimtshi Hafash due to their cozy relationship with PFDJ officials.
          So we’re good?

    • Hopeful

      Thank you a ghezillion.
      I guess,today,I do not have to go to my Sunday Mass,then.
      This message should go VIRAL all over the world in all Eritrean Languages and in English–mainly in Arabic and English besides in Tigrigna/Tigre.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Thank you awate team for the above summary of the message from the bishops.

    In this times of polarized, politicized, confused and desperate stages in the Eritrean political landscape, it is easy to try to jump on the concept document “Where is your brother?” and try to make it appear as a message only directed at the Eritrean regime. Far from it. “where is your brother?” is a national white paper on the current crisis. It is as much an indictment to me, to you, to hgdef, to those crossing the border out of the country, to those dying in seas and deserts, to those in detention centers and refugee camps of far and near, to spiritual leaders, to intellectual leader, to opposition political leaders, to workers, farmers, to fishermen, to craftsmen, to tradesmen, to online debaters, to writers, toartists, students, teachers…virtually to all segments of our people. It is clear that the bulk of the problems are imposed on the people and country by the misguided policy of the regime, as the paper makes absolutely clear. But we need to go beyond that and ask what does the document “Where is your brother?” mean to me? To my plans and actions? “Where is your brother?” is what God asked Cain after the latter returned from the wilderness having killed his younger brother Abel. He killed him out of jilted sense of dismay at the thought that God favored the sacrifices of Abel instead of that of Cain. When God asked Cain “Where is your brother?” Cain replied “I don’t know, I am not my brother’s keeper.” And God told him that “the blood of Abel is petitioning upon him.” Then Cain complained that “everyone who sees me would kill me.” And God told him that a mark would be stamped in his forehead so that he would be spared. Today God is asking the Eritrean people “Where is your brother?” What is mine, yours and every Eritrean’s answer?

    ” God asked Cain, “Where [is] Abel thy brother?” Cain replied, “I know not: [Am] I my brother’s keeper?”

    And he said, “What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.” (Genesis 4:10-4:12)

    Peter Paul Rubens painting: Cain slaying Abel

  • Haile WM

    this is indeed a slap on the face of Iseyas ans his cronies. The Catholics always gave him headaches but to his dismay, they are powerful, unlike the other religious groups who could be easily infiltrated and manipulated. I remember back in the days right after the independence the government installed a policy of “mitsiltsal” of those working in governmental bodies. the only voice that was against this policy was that of Catholic church trough it’s news paper. The response of the governament was closing of all religious news papers. We were naive and we sided we the governament, as we did for many other injustices commited in the years to come. in the years to come Iseyas harassed the Catholic, as he was doing to the others faiths, but could never control them.
    I hope this letter gives the other faith leaders the courage to stand for their people.

  • Rodab

    This document is a slap on the bullies’ face.
    If it was written by the other religious groups, they would have been thrown to jail in no time.

    Power to the power that humiliates bullies – bullies who selectively punish the weak and the defenseless!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dearest Rodab, see the positive side it of it. this will open the way to others. others are just part of them. and the way seems to me better than what is done before. and see the wisdom written by AT “While being one people and one society, and in order to live up to the concept of “One People, One Heart”, we should abandon the spirit of “us” and “them” and unify all members of our society. Otherwise, “a nation divided cannot stand (nor be fortified).” Lucas 11:17; Mathews 12:25.

      • Rodab

        Dear Kokhobe,

        The only “them” and “us” is between the handfull regime bosses and the rest of Etitrea. My comment was to highlight the bullysim and cronyism of the regime. Otherwise the document, as I said yesterday, is a call of any rational thinking Eritrean. It represents all of us. In fact it felt like the authors were addressing the entire nation and not just their parishioners.

        Btw, I agree 100% with you on the prospects of civil war in Eritrea. The reason I don’t anticipate any is because even in the face of such difficult and trying environment, there is no noticeable polarization among the various sections of our society. This is not to say there exists NONE. There could be some as is typical of any society, but nothing significant to warranty civil war. Not even remotely close. I don’t know if I am right but that’s my mind and heart-felt feeling.
        Brukh meAlti

  • Kokhob Selam

    Very good days in history of our struggle. when the peaceful and religious start in such wonderful way and time I can see that the change ahead will never allow for civil war and will go smoother than we all thought.

  • Ermias

    It’s so sad. Politicians are cowards, selfish, and useless pretty much. No politician has raised any of these questions before let alone within Eritrea, even in PFDJ led diaspora meetings. That’s for fear of being labelled something. It’s a shame. There is no hope from our elite politicians. The religious leaders might be our last hope. Even the so called G-somethings or the G-series were only raising issues of power monopoly and not necessarily the anguish of Eritreans. All the ghedli people are the same anyway.

  • Ahadu

    God bless the bishops for speaking up on behalf of the voiceless. They couldn’t take it any more and took the risk that comes on their way. Spiritual leaders have the moral authority to help the weak and destitute.

    This video explains the dire situation on the ground. I am really touched and sad to see unaccompanied little children… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltjCnTXXu6c

  • Hopeful

    AT,
    Here we go ,again.Brutal and honest analysis at its Best. No further questions,your Honor.
    Thank You!
    Hopeful

  • haqi

    nictric
    slow down ata wedi, we the Eritrean people unlike the minority godless folks are god fearing people and we respect our religious leaders. its time for you to wise up instead being the black sheep of awate.com. use your head, where do you draw the line when it comes to the evil dictatorship

    • Nitricc

      Haqi
      Religion is a private matter, while a nation is for everyone to live in peace, respect and under a rule of law. So, religion should be as such private. It is between you and your god. Sure you have the right to believe and warship what ever religion you choose. However; you are not going to impose what ever you believe on to others.
      So if you mix religion and government; you will ended up just doing that.
      So I say leave religion out where it belongs; the church and mosques.

      • Saleh Johar

        Exactly Nitricc, that is what many of us say: the government should take its hands off religious institutions. And since religion is all about discipline (both spiritual and physical) religious institutions should inspire people to take matters in their hands, they should preach against injustice, vice, truthfulness, integrity, honesty and cohesive family unit. Forget the religious wachos, they will always be around. I am correct in assuming you are against the government interfering with religious affairs? Say yes please, this will get us closer 🙂

  • haqi

    as Catholic Eritrean, I am proud of the four bishops of the Eritrean catholic church. Lets pray they don’t end up dead or in jail. We can’t count on the so called oppositions leaders but we def need our spiritual leaders to stand up to the evil mafia regime.
    awate team
    thank you

  • Serray

    Thanks Awate,

    I hope the leaders of the tewahdo church and Islam grow some balls and follow them but I doubt it. History repeating itself; the Catholic church was the one that challenged the dergi as well. You will expect the tewahdo and muslim leaders to stand up but they never do; not openly at least. The head of tewahdo church has been in prison or house arrest for years but the church and the meEmnan go about their business pretending everything is fine.

    Now we have to wait and see what shaebia leaders will do to them. Of course, expecting shaebia to change is unthinkable but it is refreshing to see somebody telling these “liberators” of ours that they are anything but. As we speak, our incompetent, corrupt and human trafficking rulers and their cheerleaders are looking for an angle to control the damage and in the next few weeks their single cell mouthpieces will make the priests, not the points they raised, the issue.

    Well done, Aba Mengsteab, Aba Tomas, Aba Kidane and Aba Feqremariam! Between you and Dejen you gave us a little hope that Eritrea is not only a land of brutes and their subdued victims.

  • Nitricc

    No need for the religious groups to involve themselves in to politics. It is a dangerous business. Never mix religion with politics. As far as the Eritrean government; Dejen has brought down PFDJ system single handily. I suggest the religious group to stay way from the politics of the nation.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hey Nitrcc,

      So why did the state or the government interfere in the business of the house of worship or religion? If you beleive the state and church should be separate (which is correct), where were you when the state interfere in the welfare of religion?

      • Nitricc

        Aman;
        You asked me that equation just to win and score a point on the discussion. If not if you have a government who puts a 23 years old trained pilot; at that your Ace,
        In the middle of war, that kid wanted nothing but to serve his country and people; that kid have done nothing wrong. So
        what is that you find it so surprising the same government involved in a religion affairs?

    • Yodita

      Nitricc,

      Religions have been siding with the power to be and rarely do they stand by the voiceless people like this Document is doing now. This will go down to history as something we all will be proud of. It has alrready caused a lot of stir at home and it is a powerful blow to the inhuman system oppressing our country. About Dejen, I am in full agreement with you, although PFDJ is not down yet, it is like a major earthquake!

      • Saleh Johar

        Many Catholic priests are influenced by “Liberation theology” and they have perfected the thought that they can articulate social grievances and the struggle against injustices better than many.

        I have been influenced by Abba Francois of Keren who used to preach and inspire the young in the seventies, defying threats by the Ethiopian rulers of the time, in the middle of St. Michale church in Keren.

        Muslim religious leaders had inspiration from the likes of Seydna Mustafa of Barka and to some extent the Mirghania of the forties. Thereafter, the most inspirational Muslim religious figure was the late Mufti Ibrahim Mukhtar. After that, the Muslim religious institution was so much damaged and paralyzed when Isaias appointed a PFDJ cadre as a Mufti imposed on Eritreans.

        Tewahdo church is also crippled since Isaias took control of it.

        The Catholic church has remained bold, principled and at the forefront speaking on behalf of every Eritrean.

        Personally, I delegate the Catholic church to represent my Eritrean spiritual interest, I do not have a cent’s worth of trust on Isaias’ Muslim Mufti.

        • Hopeful

          Johar,
          Your BOLD and Noble comment willl send shock waves to—–all those—-including your “enemies” and your supporters for your crystal clear stand for Justice,irrespective who might bring it in.
          The same Authority I mentioned to you in my other thread,said “Merra defar ghin kodo emunukh ghin”,meaning:”He is very BOLD and TRUTHFUL”.

          • Saleh Johar

            werkema dan hopeful, thank you dear. Aan Keren Kwara gn, blin sheweya gabekun, lakin… aqtrele.
            Ajaka.

          • Hopeful

            Johar,
            Amazing brain and skill! I advise those who “have second guessed you”. to think twice .
            Jar Tiksinkut.
            Kida ghirik/Senber

        • Yodita

          Dear Saleh Johar Kadi,

          Your objectivity is exemplary!! It soothes, it heals and mends wounds that are being fabricated by the irresponsible and cruel system at home. Whatever you say has resonance in the cyber world and your inclusive and uniting tone is earning you the high esteem of some of us, for whatever it is worth! God bless you Hawey.

          PS You are in the footsteps of the glorious fathers?

    • Hopeful

      My man,
      Repent before the Day of Judgements arrives. FYI: The Primary Role of the Church is to fight for optimal Justice

    • Hopeful

      FYI;
      Try to read the new book called “Eritrea at Cross Toads” by a top Eritrean Diplomat ,Amb Andeberhan W G.
      Check Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie’s Discussion Paper-just FYI
      If you have time,go over the controversial book by Redi Mehari,at least to get some idea about the ups and downs of the Eritrean History,conspiracies,etc….to get another perspective from another angle so as to help you to balance things …

      • Hope

        Pls read Toads as Roads .

    • Tolosa

      This has nothing to do with religion , they are talking about basic human right

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Awate Team,

    Thank you.

    To the religious leaders, God bless them and protect them. The Eritrean social change is in the house of worship. The leaders of faith challenged us where our brothers are, and how God loves our country. Remember the leaders of faith came at the risk of their lives to save our young generation, when the rest of us have failed to bring fruits. I hope their message will unite the efforts of resistance force.

    “:Not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will” (Matt: 10:20). God will protect them from the evils will.

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Peace!

      Emma,
      What do you mean “the rest of us have failed?”

      regards

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Haw peace,

        Those of us in the Diaspora who consider ourselves in the resistance force against the regime in Asmara. If you consider yourself part of it, you are included, if not you are out.

        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Hopeful

          Emma,
          Cannot agree more.
          God blessed man!
          Hopeful

        • Peace!

          Emma,
          Yes, I consider myself a part of resistance force against the regime, but certainly not a part of the failed hypocrite opposition parties. There is no one else to blame but the opposition of which you are a member and a true fighter.

          regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            First talk about peace as your nickname signify. Second since you are part of the resistance you are not better than those your are accusing them. Just one Advice, any one who is throwing a stone against the enemy of our people is your friend. That is the rule in politics. If you have the ability, you can try to shape the resistance force.

            Senay MeAlti,
            Amanuel H.

        • Hopeful

          Emma,
          It would be more diplomatic and nicer if you omitted :”… if not you are out”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hopeful,
            “you are out” doesn’t mean anything more, than you are not included to my comment. It hasn’t any negative connotation.
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hopeful

            Using my right of “being enitiled to my opinion”,for GOOD.
            Respectfully,
            Hopeful

    • Hopeful

      Endorsed as is!