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Dejen Ande Hishel: The Prison Breaker

On February 27, 2014, Dejen Ande Hishel, 38, an Eritrean fighter-jet (Mig-29) pilot and trainer, escaped from a maximum-security Eritrean prison in Asmara, where he had been held in captivity without charges, a verdict, or a day in court, for fifteen years. While his whereabouts have not been disclosed, it is safe to say that he is no longer in Eritrea: Assenna.com, a London-based independent Eritrean website which broke the story, also conducted a series of phone interviews with him where he narrated his biography, the circumstances that led to his arrest, his detention, and his escape.

The interview, which is in Tigrinya, is available on youtube in a series of videos (Part 1 through Part 6 one-hour interviews*, which were conducted in May 2014.) Dejen is remarkably articulate and a gifted narrator: his story is so rich and so full of detail and philosophical musings, it would be impossible for anyone who attempts to translate it into any language to do any justice to it, and we will not attempt it. Instead, what we will provide is a summary to help those who don’t understand the Tigrinya language get some idea as to why Dejen’s interview with assenna has been such a sensation with Eritreans: why it has at once depressed Eritreans—for the great injustice done to innocent Eritreans by the outlaw regime in Eritrea—and, at the same time, inspired them that the Eritrean spirit is not broken, that 15 years after imprisonment people like Dejen still exist: unbroken, defiant, bold and blessed with clarity of thought and action.

Below is a summary of the interview. We have added some notes in brackets to assist English readers who may not be familiar with Eritrean history, as well as some footnotes to provide additional information about the prisoners mentioned in Dejen’s narration.

Assenna.com – Dejen Ande Hishel Interview Summary

Early Childhood:

Dejen Ande Hishel’s family is from Elabered, Eritrea. [Elabered is on the road between Asmara and Keren. In the 1940s-1960s, Elabered was famous for its orange groves, tomato gardens, and dairy farms which were established by Italian entrepreneur De Nadai. In the 1970s, Elabered was the sight of many battles for Eritrean liberation. One of the toughest was when the EPLF and ELF were forced to withdraw from territories they had liberated just a two years earlier: in November 1978.] The young Dejen, then 2-3 years old, was evacuated, along with his entire family to Keren, where his mother worked in a hospital that treated wounded combatants and,eventually, to Sahel.

“Dejen” which means fort or garrison in Tigrinya, was a nickname given to him by his mother’s friends when he was just a baby.

His earliest memories were of Ethiopian fighter planes pursuing and bombing the retreating Eritrean combatants and civilians, who were journeying to EPLF’s base at Nakfa in Sahel province (northern tip of Eritrea.) His earliest memories include hiding in caves and emerging covered in dust when the bombing subdued, and witnessing the death and carnage of the bombings.

By 1978, his entire family—his father, his mother, his three siblings—were all enlisted in the EPLF. As a child, he was enrolled in the “Revolutionary School”, [a school run by the EPLF for orphans and children of combatants] and was literally raised by the revolution. [Thus, in 1991, when Eritrea became independent, he was about 16 years old.]

Eritrea-Ethiopia Border War (1998-2000)

[Several years before the war, the Eritrean government had decided to establish an Eritrean Air Force. Dejen was one of a few who was chosen to enlist in its academy. When the war broke out, both governments were in a mad rush to strengthen their air forces; and Dejen was trained by Russians how to fly Mig-29. The Ethiopian Air Force flew Su-27s during the war.]

Dejen describes the Russian training that he and his colleagues received as inadequate and says that he was shocked when he was given a certificate from the Russians that not only was he qualified to be a pilot but a trainer pilot. He protested his premature graduation but to no avail. He concluded that the Russians were more interested in meeting the goals of the higher-ups (graduating students quickly) than meeting the goals of the trainees.

Dejen says that the Eritrean pilots, particularly him, who was certified as a trainer, were lacking confidence in their abilities, as they had not been taught the fundamentals, nor had they logged sufficient flight hours.

In the Badme Front War [February-March 1999], he and his childhood friend Yonas Misghinna, were sent on missions. The two improvised that the best way for them to learn what they hadn’t been taught by the Russians was to copy the more able Ethiopian Air Force pilots. At the same time, they considered their job defensive: to harass the Ethiopian Air Force pilots and making it harder for them to conduct their bombing sorties.

Dejen explains the three-steps of conventional warfare: first the fighter-jets are sent to conduct bombing; this is followed by artillery shelling, which is then followed by infantry fighting.

In one of his missions, Yonas Misghinna (Dejen’s childhood friend) is downed in the Badme area. Dejen is sad and angry and filled with a sense of wanting to avenge his death. Dejen explains that standard protocol when a plane is downed is to conduct an assessment to avoid a similar mistake and, in the meantime, one must, at the very least, avoid making a pattern of the circumstances that led to the downing: altitude, place, etc. Yet, notwithstanding this protocol, the Eritrean regime sent another Mig-29, this one captained by Samuel Girmay, to the same place where Yonas’s plane was downed. And it met the same fate: Samuel, too, was downed.

Subsequently, it was learned that the planes that the Russians sold Eritrea were not new but used and malfunctioning. The pilot eject button did not work; the parachutes did not open. And two young pilots were killed at the same place.

The Badme war was followed by the battle of Igri-Mekel [in the Tsorona front: one of the most intense 4-day battles of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border war: Eritrea claimed it killed 10,000 Ethiopians and Ethiopia claimed it killed 9,000 Eritreans.] At this battle, a decision was made that Dejen could not comprehend: he was told that the fighter jets are grounded and would not participate in the battle. To Dejen, this made no sense: the battle front was only 80-90 [corrected distance] kilometer distance from Eritrea’s Air Force base in Asmara, and the pilots could make relatively safe sorties and come back.

Dejen Is Arrested

While the battle was still raging, on March 23rd, 1999, Dejen, then 23, had completed his shift when he was approached by government officials who told him that there was a guest who wants to see him. Still wearing his flight suit, he was escorted to a car where he was accompanied by five individuals (including the driver.) At the time, he was thinking that he was going to be sent on a special mission.

He was taken to the 6th police station in Settanta-Otto neighborhood of Asmara, where he was put in a cell. An interrogator told him that he is to talk with him and only him but that this wouldn’t happen that night. The next day, Dejen, fully convinced that it is all a misunderstanding, packs his belongings and gets ready to be sent free.

That didn’t happen. The visits of the examiner become less frequent. The examiner examines nothing: he doesn’t ask him any questions, nor does he provide answers. Only requests that he [Dejen] be more patient.

Days become weeks, weeks become months, and months become years.

He is transferred to Carcielli, a maximum-security prison in the heart of Asmara. He is held in a cell [locally known as “cella.”] Prisoners are allowed to sit in the sun for only half-hour a day on a rotating basis: one week it is the morning sun, the next week it is the setting sun. This, he explains, is a huge improvement over his conditions in the 6th police station where he was taken outdoors only once every two months.

Prisoners are not allowed to talk to each other; nor are they allowed to have conversations with the guards. The only way they communicate is by writing graffiti on walls: often, the graffiti on walls are their arrest dates. They also communicated by whistling [although all these forms of communication are a simple “I am still here/I was here.”]

Dejen explained that sometimes, past midnight, past 1 or 2 am, piercing cries would penetrate the entire prison. He said that these cries are either due to a prisoner having a primal scream to relieve the pressure and frustration of being confined for reasons he or she doesn’t know. Or they are due to someone being interrogated and tortured.

Dejen explains that there was a tiny window in the prisoners’ toilet room that provided a view of the outside. The prisoners called it “wikileaks.”

Dejen narrates one incident that provided an opportunity for prisoners to meet one another: a drunk driver ran his vehicle into the walls of the compound. The prison wardens moved some of the prisoners from their cells. And it was there where he first met prisoners like Nesreddin AbulKherat1, [a Sudanese national] who was arrested in 1997 for allegedly trying to assassinate Isaias Afwerki. Dejen describes that he asked Nesreddin if he really [on orders of Sudan’s Omer Al Bashir] tried to assassinate Isaias Afwerki and says that Nesreddin replied, “look for yourself, the two are best friends now.’ He also said that in 2006 he stayed in cell 26 together with Teweldemedhin Tesfamariam, [a diplomat who was called for a meeting to Eritrea and arrested.]2.

Dejen was also able to confirm that General Bitweded Abraha3, Ermias “Papayo” Debessai4, Aster Yohannes5, Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael6 were held in the same prison. He also says that he has a more comprehensive list of prisoners and “we will disclose it in due time.”

Dejen says that he was made aware of Aster’s presence because he heard her screaming in the still of the night.

According to Dejen, if vehicles leave at night with prisoners and return only with their belongings, it is commonly understood that the prisoners had been killed. Thus, Dejen assumes, that Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael (two Eritreans who worked for the American embassy in Eritrea and were arrested in October 2000) were killed.

Dejen explains that it wasn’t until two years after his arrest that he was finally visited by his family. He emphasizes that his entire family [father, mother and siblings] had been enlisted in the EPLF and served the revolution. When they came to visit him, he was hoping for some answers: why he was arrested. Instead, he found out, that his family had no answers, only questions: they wanted to know why he was arrested.

Dejen’s Escape

Asked by the interviewer (Assenna’s Amanuel Iyasu) as to when he gave up on the government, he said it took him four years from his imprisonment. He said that the EPLF was his world: the revolution had raised him. It took him years to realize that by merely asking what his crime was, he was accusing the government of imprisoning innocent people and thus committing a crime and increasing his punishment. It took him years to realize it wasn’t the prisoners who had committed crimes, but it was the government which was committing a crime by detaining the innocent. Dejen explains that he had written thousands [too many to count] of letters addressed “To Whom It May Concern” describing his condition and demanding that he know of the charges against him and that he brought to a court of law. At some point, explains Dejen, he had asked who this “to whom it may concern” is and he had been told it was Isaias Afwerki. Asked if he had ever received any written response, Dejen explained that the only responses he received were oral and they were not answers but stalling by referring to the general condition of the country [the so-called no-peace no war situation.] Whenever he asked his interrogators what the charges against him were, he was told “what do you think they are?”

Four years after his imprisonment, he was convinced that he would never get justice, would never get released by the government.  Six years before his escape is when he decided that if he was ever going to be free, it would have to be by escaping from prison.

He equated those who were incarcerating him with a stick: if somebody hits you with a stick, your argument is not with the stick but the person using it.

For years [for 6 years], Dejen explained, he plotted his escape. He had given himself some conditions: that his escape would not be dependent on anyone—he was going to plan and execute his escape on his own. That once he starts, he wouldn’t hesitate and never look back and would see it through.

He said that it took years for him to escape because the opportunities for escape were rare; that when the opportunities are presented, they get frustrated at the last minute, or there is a loss of nerve. He says that the biggest challenge that has to be overcome is a psychological one.

Dejen had noticed that one of the prison warden’s vehicles, the one that transported prisoners to hospitals, which was parked in the compound, always had mechanical problems. Because of that, the prison guards would sometimes leave the engine running since, if they turn it off, it presented problems for them in restarting it.

The opportunity he wanted was: this vehicle, with engine running, but unaccompanied by other vehicles. Most of the missed opportunities were because there were always 3 other vehicles and a motorcycle. Another missed opportunity was that, from his prison cell, he couldn’t tell whether the engine was running or not because, when there were power blackouts in Asmara, the guards brought generators, which drowned out the sound of the engine.

Then Dejen found another clue. When the engine was on, the vehicles’ side-view mirror would vibrate and, from a specific location, (the window in the toilet which they called “wikileaks”) the side-view mirror would vibrate the reflections of the sun. This, then, was his clue that the engine was on and the vehicle was running idle.

On the day of his escape, on February 27, 2014, which happens to be the anniversary of the death of his best friend pilot Yonas Misghinna, the conditions were optimal: the vehicle was not accompanied by other vehicles in the compound, and the engine was on. He walked to the vehicle and got in. His first challenge was that the vehicle was not facing the gate but the prison cells. Still, he drove it around towards the gate. The compound has multiple gates but they were open. The guards were playing cards and were not attentive. Dejen explains that this is because the oppressor is never as attentive as the oppressed. He had made a decision that he would crash through the final gate knowing that, if it is a strong gate, the vehicle would smash against it and stop. But he broke through the gate which was not strong.

The police officers gave chase, on foot: none were on vehicles.

Here, his escape vehicle stalls; he attributes this to his forgetting how to drive a car [in Eritrea almost all cars are manual shifts.]

He re-starts it and drives making left turns and right turns. I feel free, explains Dejen. Ahead of him, pedestrians motion to him to stop because the police pursuing him were instructing him to stop. But he doesn’t. The police do not shoot because he was in a crowded street. A policeman reaches out to him and grabs him by the hand, but Dejen breaks free.

He drives north, towards Akhria neighborhood. At some point, he reaches a dead-end, abandons the vehicle and walks on foot. Walking, he tries to determine if he stands out among the crowd and based on the double-takes people were making, he determines that he is.

Turning right, going over a fence where people dump their trash, he heads north. He comes across a huge ravine—a steep slope down, and a mountain ahead. He turns his clothes inside out, and he walks and rolls-down the hill. Unable to reach a foot hold, suspended, he fears for his life, that this is how he is going to die: birds fly, startled, he lets go of his grip, and lands on a foothold, relieved that he is still alive.

Interviewer [Amanuel]: Earlier in the interview, you had said, “The dead don’t fear death.” What happened now….

Dejen [laughing]: Well now I am “kem sebey” [an ordinary person]…

Crawling, walking, rolling down, Dejen makes it down to the bottom of the hill. Only to be confronted by howling monkeys. Dejen explains that he is anxious now, thinking, I got past [human] police only to be discovered by howling monkeys. Nonetheless, he goes past them and makes his escape….

[*The part of how he crosses the Eritrean border is not yet explained.]

Footnotes

Correction: We made transcribing error on the distance, it is not 25-30 kilometers but 80-90.

1. On May 25, 1997, Eri-TV broadcast the “confessions” of Nusreddin and how he was sent by Sudanese intelligence to assassinate Isaias Afwerki. The video of the two-part interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q34iicHlPY

2. Teweldemedhin Tesfamariam was the deputy chief of mission in the Eritrean Embassy in Nairobi. He has been in jail since April 2003.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030502000807/http://www.awate.com/artman/publish/article_1295.shtml

3. Bitweded Abraha is one of Eritrea’s most remarkable men. Arrested in October 1991 for speaking out against the Meles-Isaias cozy relationship in regards to Asab, he broke out of jail in 1995 and forced the Eritrean government to admit that it had no case against him, went back to prison, got released in 1997, went back in 1998: all because he dared to warn Eritreans of the looming dictatorship. His story can be found here: http://admasna.blogspot.com/2005/12/bitweded-abraha-13-years-solitary.html

4. Ermias Papayo Debessai is a member of the PFDJ’s Central Committee. He has been in prison since 2003, when he was arrested with his sister Senait Debessai. It was his second arrest.  http://www.ehrea.org/dear.php

5. Aster Yohannes is a veteran EPLF combatant who also happens to be the wife of Petros Solomon (a member of the G-15 who has been detained since 2001.) Aster Yohannes, who was studying in the US when her husband was arrested, returned to Eritrea on December 11, 2003 after she was given personal assurances by then ambassador Girma Asmerom and Isaias Afwerki that no harm would come to her if she returned to Eritrea to be re-united with her children. She was arrested at Asmara Airport and her family, there to welcome her home, returned without seeing her. Her story is found here: http://www.friendsofaster.org/

6. Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael worked for the US embassy in Eritrea in 2000. At the time, there was a fledgling private press in Eritrea and part of their job was to translate the news/opinion written in Tigrinya into English. They were arrested on October 11, 2001. http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2002/10/20021017201028corey@pd.state.gov0.9141504.html#axzz33PzeY2VL

The United States has made information on the whereabouts of these Eritrean nationals one of the conditions for normalizing relationship with the Eritrean regime. But since then, the Eritrean regime arrested two more embassy employees in 2005, and two more in 2009 and accused them of “human trafficking.”

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      Dear Awate

      Few Eritreans seldom boil my blood whenever I visit Awate.com and other websites and read the comment sections. I usually ignore them, while other times I wish we have strong fence that avoid each other at least for 50 years. This was I was feeling about an hour ago,
      after reading comments from DZ, hope and Nitricc. But again after watching at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOCLlccvI Shocking-moment-an-eritrea-man-viciously-attacked-in-australia/), my anger shifted to the white man who almost killed to this poor Eritrean who traveled long distance in search of fortune.

      Very sad

      Rahwa

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Rahwa,
        There is an extra “)” at the end of the link you posted that needs to come out.
        What an awful thing to watch, but I am glad they didn’t get away with it.
        Thanks.

        • Rahwa T

          Selam Fanti Ghada,

          sorry, I am copying and pasting the link properly, but I don’t know why it is appearing as incomplete here I am pasting again. eway Hawey [Moderator: Rahwa, we got you covered]
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOCLlccvI

          • Rahwa T

            HI Fanti Ghana,
            Sorry it didn’t work again. I have cut the link into three parts, you can connect them and google it.

            1. http://eastafro.com/Post/2014

            2. /06/05/video-the-shocking-moment-

            3. an-eritrea-man-viciously-attacked-in-australia/

          • Fanti Ghana
          • Hope

            It is a sad news that happens to every body.But what is your point though?
            I am glad that the attacker got what he deserved.
            If you are trying to politicize it,it is too cheap.BTW,how can you rule out that the victim could be a Tigreyan Refugee in the name of Eritrean,which has become a legacy.The TPLF officially complained about ” For NOT having enough Tigreyan Community” in Australia and decided to transfer Tigreyan Refugees to Australia as Eritreans.
            This is not only based on what Mr. Tesfaye GhebreAb said but the Weynaes were caught in a day light.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Hope,

            I have nothing to politicize it. I am not that low who try to make politics out of the pains of people. Actually, I know I am not good in politics. I am too emotional and don’t fit to be politician. I was just to trying to share my feelings that I felt at an interval few hours. I was shocked to see the white bull kept hitting that poor lad. It was as if my brother was being attacked by gangsters somewhere in the developed world. Unless you want me to stay away from anything Eritrean (even at time when peoples are being abused), I think I have the right to express my feeling. If you couldn’t see anything good out of it, it is up to you.

  • AMEN

    Both Abinet and/or Eyob Medhane
    I do not think it is inflation of self of the kebessan people as you
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    trend.
    Rather it is why did or do they insult and play with our intellect and
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    or so era and further worse oppression of the later regimes of HSI feudal
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    Eritrea is safe and free from all this misfortunes befallen to the Abyssinian
    people. The only thing in ERITREA was strife and war which a sign of defiance
    and protecting and not to give up your freedom- which is a good and great value.
    Which even the Tigrians happily replicated and accepted it . But the other
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  • AMEN

    So if you ask me to help you with your problems
    let’s ask for the resignation of DIA first and return
    the power to the people.
    Because the regime is beyond repair and cannot be
    reformed anymore.
    So let’s demand EPLF without PFDJ and DIA if you are
    sincere.

  • AMEN

    I do not understand what you are blabering Mr. hope !
    It is not me but you that you were thinking doing some
    rocket science all these 20 years when you suddently
    bumped and hit the rock and woke up to what I and others
    has been saying and warning.
    As for the mess you are talking about you have created it yourself.
    So who do you want to clean your mess that you were piling on one
    on top of the other. As to me I have done a lot to salvage the unity
    of our people that PFDJ and his facilitators made him orphan and
    were hoping to see it disunited and disintegrated and in civil war
    against eachother like somalia.
    If you need witness for this go refer all my and other friends contributions
    since year 2000 in the public records while you and others were advising
    us to take other solutions like submitting to woyanes or Tplf demands of
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    rocket science together with the woyanes while that is children or some
    out of mainstream groups acts and politics in the USA and have to woke
    up and get confused when the great secret is out on the market.
    So are deliberately making mistakes and creating problems hoping that
    we will live to clean your mess ?

  • Those closed and authoritarian regimes look as if strong enough externally but they’re fragile and full of loops and holes. A good example can be the ex- Soviet Union where it appeared to be robust while actually was a clay like scrumbled and fall apart.

    Thanks Dejen you exposed how the evil system is built in, therein you grew up, and you gave your dear life for, was merely a false fasad that will scrumble as you have seen it by yourself.

    you did it, you alone, what about if we all associate to discard and through it once and for all. Yes, what we need is a strong will and a decisive action like yours thoroughly focused and mission oriented. This system is the weakest of all at the present. Just one blow will do it all together. Yet, do we have more of Dejens left?

  • Araya

    Why is it not news worthy?
    That out of the way, here are the 10 countries that are
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    (2) Sierra Leone, 11.2 percent

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    (6) Three-way tie: Iraq, 8.5 percent; Laos, 8.5 percent; Timor-Leste, 8.5 percent

    (9) Eritrea, 8.0 percent

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    • Hope

      Araya,
      I agree with you but remember what Eritrea could have achieved if there was a Constitutional Governance was in place where Eritreans are allowed to go to school,to do business,to create and think freely,etc—-
      Do you know the potential of Eritreans?
      Have/had you been to Ethiopia between 1960- 1991?I am sure you know what I am trying to say.
      The back bone of the Ethiopian economy has been the Eritrean Community….from the bottom to the top Businesses.
      From chiosk shops to top Engineering businesses,name it–the Ethiopian Airlines,The Ethiopian Tele,the Hotels,the Tourism,the heavy trucks business,the Bakerys,the Clinics(Tesfa Lab),the Professors,the Pilots,etc—
      If Eritreans were to be given a “Go Ahead” Freedom…with a concerned and supportive Government, Eritreans could have controlled the entire African and Middle East Business….

      • Kaddis

        Hope –
        This is the mentality some of you guys need to change – all you wish is to ‘control’ the economy of Ethiopia or any other country. Not to live with. Why do you wish to do business with people you actually hate? And you still cry foul when you are sent back to the country you saved your money for?
        By the way – Eritreans were not the back bone of Eth economy. They were among the mainstream business/ elite. You can learn from post-deportation effect; it was marginal. Even recent studies by IMF shows, apart from agriculture – Ethiopian business is Merkato.

        • Hope

          Kaddis and Abinet:
          Thanks for your response.
          I am NOT boasting but addressing FACTS .I did not say Ethiopians cannot do this and that.We are specifically talking about Eritrea,Eritreans and their potentials if They are given a chance,based on the past hsitory and about the LOST opportunity.
          Again,I have nothing to do with the Ethiopians but wish them the BEST and will teat them nicely provided they do the same mutually and respectfully.Nothing more,NOTHING less.
          As to who are Eritreans and what they have done,etc—-histroy is the witness.As to the contribution of the Eritreans to the Ethiopian Econmy,again,NOT only history but the Ethiopians are the living witnesses.We coul dtalk non-stop about this topic but it is a closed chapter buit NO one will stop me about talking the potential and the brilliance of Eritreans.
          You can bark non-stop but you CANNOT erase history.
          Wish you all th eBEST and God bless you.

      • Abinet

        So how ce Ethiopia is still going strong and standing tall in the world without you? It is after our independence from you in 1998 that we are blooming . Check the numbers they don’t lie. Read YG . Eritreans need a larger space to make it in every aspect of the economy . You need a larger market for your products and services. The problem is we don’t need them any more including your rusting port. I suggest you come back to planet earth and see the reality. I don’t think you can see what is happening from where you are.
        In my opinion Eritreans are the only people that I know of put Maslow’s hirarcy of needs upside down. You achieved the highest need ( self actualization), in your case, independence without fullfiling the basic needs like food and shelter or water or electric power. We are still working on our basic needs without your expertise involved. So wake up from your dream of controlling the region , Mr Singapore .

        • Nitricc

          Wow, incredible rhetoric for a champion of begging. You are number in entire Africa for accepting Aid while you have a fertile land and plenty of water; do you know what the rest of the world say about you? Cool down beggar.
          I ask you who is real independent. You or Eritrea? There is no independent while you are depending on others to feed you. Just thought for you; beggar.

          • Abinet

            Nitric
            RIP. I don’t talk to dead people.

          • Hope

            AT:
            Here we go again,this is beyond arrogance and insult.
            Nittric,per my previous opinion,you do NOT need to react like that.leave them alone and eal with their poverty and begging.
            let us do our home work.
            Hawikha.

          • Rahwa

            Selam Hope,
            and this time you are not being arrogance and insulting, but rather creaming him. We know that “insult” is coded deep in your gene. Keep it up and make sure that it would be pass to your children. Dream in anyway you like.

          • Hope

            It is Eritreanism NOT to kneel down at any cost and under any condition.
            Got it?
            Keep barking.Nittric will stay here as it is his home but will make sure he behaves better.

          • Rahwa T

            Sure, it is me who should leave (when I am told to go away by the moderators), not Ntiricc and you as well. Stay as long as you wish spoiling the house. But you don’t have any right to tell me to leave. It is not your website.

          • Hope

            Anti sebeiti,zeitetsahfe ebba aitenbibi.You seem arcticulate in English but u R reading unwritten stuff here,albeit deliberately..Huh.you are provoking the Moderators to kick me out? Good luck.
            You can stay as long as you want and as long as the AT allows you.The funny thing is that I was the one who was banned simply for challenging some people …
            Enough now.Let us go back to real business Ms Rahwa haftina or Gorebetna–.Nice name though…I hope I will not dislike my Aunti due to the same name like yours.

          • Hope

            He can handle them either way–no worries.

          • abinet

            Keep doing your homework as prescribed by the arabs to clear eritreans from eritrea.and you are good at it. Keep doing it and one day your children will BEG for a country they call home . Too bad. I rather have a begger country than begging for a country.

          • Hope

            Nittric,my response and complaint was NOT about you but Abinet who is allowed to call healthy and productive young people like you as he called you a dead body?? excuse me Mr or Ms Abinet?And who are you here?Why are you here other than to create chaos and confusion?To call us dead bodies???

            ——-and who is this Rahwa??Nittric,is this your old “girl Friend you told us you were missing ?

          • Rahwa T

            Hope,

            You told the readers that you were at GCMS 25 years ago. I will be stunned if your were studying medicine. You don’t smell to posses any of those qualities that we expect from medical practitioners. You must be kidding. But when are going to get matured? Sometimes you seem like a preacher, the next hour you are a straight boy (despite your age).

          • hopoe

            Now I know who you might be.Super arrogant indeed!Luck you to be here thanks to the generosity of the AT.The Aiga Forum kicked me out simply because I presented FACTS-and challenged the Editor with simple facts–not due to arrogance like you are doing here,and for free!.
            I learned only some Gonderie Amharic and Gonderie Style Dance and then joined the EPLF.If I studied Medicine,I would not waste my time arguing with you or with some kind of a deki-hidirtina in the middle of no where or on Cyber Space.
            That is Eritreanism—they know and do almost every thing and they can be GPs,Pediatricians,Internists,Nephrologists,Cardiologists,Neurologists,etc—-
            They also can be Engineers,Pharmacists,Space Scientists,Mechanics,etc–
            Then in the war front a single Tegadalai can operate AK-47,a Machine Gun,an RPG,Zoo-23,Stalin Organ,BM 22 and 44-etc—-as needed.
            BTW,GCMS has differnt fields of study besides Medicine.–

          • Araya

            [Moderator: Araya, we do not double as immigration officers and Awate is an Eritrean discussion forum open for anyone without a visa. We don’t know who is Tigrawai or Eritrean, Oromo, Sudanese of Amhara… and we do not care because we are not in the business of bigotry. Everyone is welcome as long as they abide by our posting guidelines. Be careful with your comments, please keep them clean and be open minded.]

            Hope:
            the Awate-team are very protective of the Tigryans, for the reason I am at lose. the Tigryans don’t wait for their article for moderation, I am 100% Eritrean and I have to wait for my article to be moderated. And this is Eritrean web-site; you go figure Hope. keep giving the respect they don’t deserve,sooner or latter, the Tigryans will pee on awate.com.

          • Hope

            My Dearest Eritrean,
            I could have added tons of concerns and speculations as you did –but…I opted to ‘shut up” for obvious reasons for now.I think you and Mussie were banned too at one time???Correct??
            FYI,I was banned at one time after expressing a similar concern and,hence,I decided to drop off my old account.
            Look at what these nick named Rahwa and Abinet are doing.How in the world would one call a living person a “dead man” and still let him keep plundering around?
            Guess what, no matter what,I will die for my man and my own bro,Nittric,at any cost,not just defend and stand for him.

          • DZ

            [Moderator: DZ, if you are here to disrupt, this forum can do without you just like it existed before you joined a month ago. If you understand freedom of press to mean disrupting the Awate Forum, you are wrong. Even in bars,where they sell liquor, if you misbehave you are pushed out. Since we respect everyone here, instead of simply deleting your account, we are giving you this final warning hoping you will improve you behavior.]

          • Nitricc

            {Moderator: Nitircc, we are okay until recently, now you are going to your old self! Please refrain from insulting Awatistas.]

            It is funny one xxxxxxx trying to comfort the other xxxxxx that things that made them feel good; Beggaing. (Eyob to Abinet)
            Anyway, Abinet, I just tried to point you out that to produce food, you need four major ingredients; that is Water, fertile land, climate and people to do the work. And in your country Ethiopia you got the three and I let you guess what you are missing. I was just trying to help you to see your major flaws before you make a stupid out of your self. Your country should feed Africa not starve and beg? Your country should have been the pride of Africa with its all god given natural resources; just like your airlines; it is the best in Africa and it is talking airlines business in Africa single handily, thanks to the stupidity and arrogance of Air France and to Ethiopia’s credit for having a good reputation and being in a position to grape the opportunity. But no, you and your likes, cancer of society; you are to proud to be known as a beggar and you are to happy to be bragging how god beggar you are. Shame on you and the rest of people like of you; talk about dead, I rather be dead than bragging how good beggar I am. Seriously!
            At least we have the courage, the gumption and the vision to be and to need to be the likes Singapore; and We will, I hope you are young enough to see it. xxxxxxx!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            I have a question that is not related to the topic at hand. Awatistas that are reading the websites of our region might have noticed a peculiar presentation on the Sudan Tribune news page.
            What is the purpose of their picture that accompany the articles, almost always, with a bizarre focus on half nose and lips, chin and tie, ears and the like for?
            Is this a new fad? Advanced modern photography or what? If you don’t know you are free to guess or just pass.
            Thanks,
            K.H

          • abinet

            Selam kim
            I have no clue.may be Eyob knows something fromhis time at the ministry of information .lol.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Abinet,

          What is sad is that this self inflation has become so severe affliction among particularly Kebesa Eritreans, it has covered their entire conscience to notice that they are disappearing from the land that they thought theirs and only theirs, and fought tooth and nail to make that happen. They are getting pushed out of it in a manner that is reminiscent of Palestinians systematically being made refugees in their own country, in the early forties. Four hundred thousand of them are already out of the country, and they don’t see the possibility that their return could be made difficult and eventually impossible, by those, who use Isayas Afeworki ‘the tool’ to push them out of the country, and distract them with bunch of nonsense, so they wouldn’t notice, realize and wake up to the reality of the predicament that they are in. Instead, they are busy hating Ethiopia, dream of ‘controlling’ this and that region and of course, guayla (eskista, asresh michew..)

          • abinet

            Selam Eyob
            eritrea is working hard for second independence. This time from eritreans themselves. It always puzzles me why the majority of them don’t see it. They think hating and belittling Ethiopia is an achievement by itself. They have got nothing to show. Even the major cities like asmara is deteriorating while Addis is in the way to become the NewYork of Africa. I don’t know if it is jealousy, ignorance, resentment …that makes them act this way.
            Wishing and doing ill to Ethiopia didn’t even work for the arabs let alone the messengers. Look those arab countries who support , gave bases for military training and arabization courses, like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt… are all in some kind of problem.
            Amlak Ethiopian yitebqal.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abinet,

            Didn’t it take the Ethiopians 31 years to free themselves from their oppressors (Haileslassie and derg), since the first coup attempt by Mengstu Neway & Germame Neway in 1960? Why it becomes new (at least to you), when it becomes to Eritreans? So don’t be puzzled, because you had the same experience like us. The Eritrean people sooner or later will prevail against their oppressor.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Eyob Medhane

            Aman,

            That is such a false comparison. Mengistu and Germame Neway did not attempt to overthrow the government, because Ethiopians were getting sold in Sinai and drowning in The sea trying to flee. There were no Ethiopians, who were subjected to slavery to the magnitude that Eritrean youth, particularly Kebessa Youth are subjected today. The time Mengistu and Gremame Neway attempted coup was a time that it was fashionable in Africa and the Middle East for military officers to overthrow monarchs. It was a time, when the God father of your Jebha was inspired by the Ba’ath party. It was just a copycat of that. Don’t compare the incomparable, because that is intellectually dishonest, sir….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Eyobay & Kim Hanna,

            Eyob – Sometimes you have a problem in accepting history. Since you hate the Eritrean history, you also tend to object any struggle against oppression anywhere including in Ethiopia. I don’t want to delve and argue on the Ethiopian people’s struggle. But the Germame Neway’s revolution was a revolution hailed by the Ethiopian people to overthrow the feudal system of Ethiopia.

            Every revolution has its own specificity and factors that dictates it. We see only the general rule that causes revolutions, and its aims (goals) to bring a social changes. So all revolutions are for social change and that is because of the existing oppression within the society. Be it germame Neway’s revolution, or derg at the beginning, or EPRDF, all of them was to bring changes and to remove oppression. I don’t want to talk on behalf of Ethiopian people, but I do know, that the Ethiopian people believe that the 1960 revolution was a revolution for their aspirations.

            Kim – the 1974 the military junta was a continuation of oppression in its worst scenario for 17 years. so it doesn’t change the span of years the Ethiopian people fought for. You guys if you stop comparing revolutions, your mind might work proper. We know our problem and we will tackle ourselves, you have your own problem just deal with your problem. If we act that way both of us will be okay. That is the only way we can respect each other.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Eyob Medhane

            Aman,

            It seems you say what ever to fit what you believe no matter to its voracity. What was Germame’s doctrine? Where did he publish it to have it accepted by the Ethiopian people? Did he have a political party, which he had recruited members for to conduct his revolution? How many people in Ethiopia knew and heard of, who the heck Germame Neway was before his notoriety, because of the coup? All he had was a less educated brother in the high echelon of the army, whom he could manipulate to overthrow a government. Where as your ‘revolution’, Jebha had a doctrine, albeit it was dictated to it by those the set it up to send it to follow to the last letter. You had a political party (ELF) You had gatherings, meeting minutes, known and deliberately designed ‘revolution’ starting date that was set up in Cairo.. See the difference? I am not arguing with you either, but I expected a man of your caliber to be intellectually honest and not say whatever to suit his belief no matter how false it is….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Eyobay,
            Just consult the Ethiopians of that Era. Why do you want to know it from me? The Ethiopian people are the owners of that history and they will tell you that it was their revolution.Take as your home work to learn the Ethiopian revolution.

            Eyobay, we will not have a productive and forward looking argument on this subject. What you and me should argue is how peace could come in our region in general and between Ethiopia and Eritrea in particular. Don’t hate the Eritrean history. It is our history and we revere it. If you hate the Eritrean history you also hate the Eritrean people. If the Ethiopian people revere their history we just respect it as their history. So Eyobay know your limit, as I know my limit.

            with respect,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel,
            “We know our problem and we will tackle ourselves, you have your own problem just deal with your problem” Fair enough.
            But, here is the problem. If tomorrow President IA declares to the world that he will execute 100 of his own prisoners every week until Ethiopia leave his territory. He then follows through with it in broad day light. The WORLD would condemn him and ICC would be called upon to do something.
            The PFDJ supporters and a healthy percentage of the vocal opposition, however, will condemn Ethiopia for making him do it.
            I know I am extending the logic a little bit, but not by much.
            In the name of what is good in the world, is that reasonable?
            K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim Hanna,
            Sorry, While we have many recognized problems on our plate, it is not logic for me to answer hypothetical questions. If and when it becomes part of the problems in our plate, then I will be glad to answer it. But remember that we are still the owners of our problem and we will do whatever it takes to resolve it.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim Hanna, you are exaggerating a bit, from where I am, I don’t see how you reached your conclusion, I don’t know what your sample is to claim conclusive understanding “healthy percentage” or otherwise. I believe your conclusion is just a wrong perception, not correct. And Ethiopia, as represented by its politicians, is not beyond criticism, so take easy and accept it.

            But here is my question: You mean Ethiopians are not responsible for the Sahara Desert going dry? C’mon, admit it 🙂

          • hope

            Ahhhah,Johar,can you CC this message to Haile TG,please?
            Quote:”
            But here is my question: You mean Ethiopians are not responsible for the Sahara Desert going dry? C’mon, admit it :-)”,end of quote.
            Courtesy of Salih Ghadi

          • hope

            Kim,
            My Noble man,AKA,Salih “Johar” Ghadi, said it all.Your logic,eventhough it is a Fallacious Logic per Logic 101,might be acceptable relatively speaking and we are dealing with it,albeit with difficulty but time will come soon….
            Here is my problem: As much as we admitted that PFDJ/PIA is contributing to the mess,you have a moral obligation to admit the role of Ethiopia/EPRDF in aggravating the situation,and please,do NOT ask me for evidence as you have it at your own hand.
            I guarantee you that if the EPRDF takes its hands off from Eritrea,our mess could have been minimized at least.Forget the Badme issue.Tthe issue is beyond Badme when it comes to the role of EPRDF.PIA may be using it as an excuse but the bigger picture is totally different.
            Please tell me as to why Dr Tedros Adhanom is begging his masters for tightening further the illegal sanctions, as we speak.He got Badme.The Eritrean Public ,the Youth mainly at home is the major victim and your leaders know it well.That is what we want you to lobby for us to your Governemnt if at all you are interested in peaceful co-existence.
            We have welcomed you here to discuss peace so as the two peoples and nations will co-exist peacefully.We did NOT invite you to hurt our wounds and to belittle us….
            May God enlighten you.

          • Dear Hope,

            My friend, do not expect a solution for an Eritrean problem from Ethiopia, for only the Eritrean people and its government can solve it. Only you can break
            the Gordian knot of Badme and Demarcation or any other problem, by putting it on the back burner and moving forward, and try to solve them at a later date. Solving Badme now is not a panacea for the ills of Eritrea. The Ethio-Eritrean problem might be deeper than Badme, nevertheless, it is Badme that feeds the fire.

            Be sure the Ethiopian government is not shading tears for the consequences of the impasse. It is up to the Eritrean government to circumvent the insurmountable problems with Ethiopia and move towards development, if indeed it wants Eritrea
            to prosper. Any Ethio-Eritrean problem should not be the impenetrable barrier towards constitutionality, demobilization and freeing the Eritrean potential.

            Both people should not reflect the stubbornness of both governments, and they should tell them that they want to move forward asap.

            Forget military strength to fight Ethiopia. Eritrea should measure her strength against Ethiopia by developing her economy, as Ethiopia is trying to do with hers. In the future, a country’s strength is going to be measured by the level of its economic development, and not by its military strength. Humanity should move towards a universal peace, because modern warfare guarantees mutual
            destruction, and nobody is going to come out of it a winner.

            Ethiopians and Eritreans should therefore choose peace instead of war. Arrogance, boastfulness and warmongering are games played by fools, and both people should free themselves from this backward and archaic mentality.

          • Hope

            Dear Horizon,
            thank you for your feedback.With all due respect,I ask you to undertsnad the comment before youjump into conclusion.
            here is my point:
            Just stay away from our business.Is that too much to ask?I did NOT,I repeat,I did NOT ask the Ethiopian Governemt for help.How come,when I know it is being the main part of the problem?
            To make it crystal clear: We ask you NOT to be part of our problems.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            You stated the facts and what we ought to do as we go forward. Well said brother.

          • Hope

            Dear Horizon,
            As to the Economics part,please,let us be honest and respect each other and avoid insulting the Intelligence.
            If Ethiopia refrains from interferring with our internal problems and drop this nonsensical sanction saga rest assured like, I think Amde or Weyanay T kifle eloquently said it,the sky would have been the limit for Eritrea.Rather,Ethiopia is doing its BEST day and night, NOT only to tighten the existing sanction but to add more.But you are telling us otherwise…..I mean,not sure what you are trying to relay here.But remember that you are dealing with Eritreans,the owners of their own destiny and hisotry.There is NO room to manipulate or deceive them/us.
            We are here to debate for the BEST interest of our nations and people but —to me, this sounds the other way round.
            I know that there is not much to change the situation with out changing our hearts…..we are debating out of frustration,I guess.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tena Ystllgn Lij Eyob,

            In the Ethiopia of the brave Neway brothers, there were no Ethiopians fleeing their country to Sinai because Israel was not an enticing place to aspire to reach nor was Europe as it is now. Add to that that the people in Africa were almost all under colonization, unaware there was something called oppression since they took that as given, a way of life. The Ethiopia of the Neway brothers had no people fleeing it, but it had all the peasants,(what? 95% of them) tilling the land for the few dozen feudal lords who sucked the blood of the poor for centuries. It was a time when parts of Addis Ababa were neighborhoods for slave (yes, slaves), when 60 of the population was marginalized, where the Oromo were called Galla derisively, where the Muslims were treated as second or third class citizens, where the demi-god Haile Sellasie ruled as a viceroy of “God.” Think of it! It was worse than today’s Ethiopia. That is the time when the imperial army was wiping out entire villages in Eritrea. It was the time when the poor Ethiopians were forced to look at the wealth of the feudals and exclaim, Etiopia habtam nech eko! Yehe hulu hyntsa, yehe hulu buna! The buildings belonged to the class of oppressors. The Buna the peasants planted and harvested with sweat and blood, went to the coffers to the same feudal class. A few grazmatchs, rases and other appendages of the system prospered while the rest was enslaved. Today’s outlook of people depends on where they come from. If they benefited from that situation, they talk about it with nostalgia, tears about to burst and flow on their cheeks. If they belonged to the downtrodden class that the Neway brothers attempted to emancipate, they will grind their teeth. It all depends on the perspective.

            By the way, 1) one of the inspiration of all African military officers who were the revolutionaries of the time was Gemal Abdel Nasser, hate the it, but that is the fact. The entire African continent was inspired by the anti colonial stand of the Egyptian officers of the time. 2) Baath was formed by Michel Aflaq, and there was no “godfather of Jebha” who was inspired by the Baath party. It is a misrepresentation and a lie. If you are talking about Hamid Idris Awate, I doubt if he had an idea of who the Baathist were. 3) What the Newy brothers started, the Derg finished before they also embraced the chauvinistic, bloody policy on Ethiopia. 4) Today, almost 90% of Ethiopians are emancipated because of the Derg land policy. That is a fact that we have to acknowledge though I oppose the blood letting that the Derg caused. 5) Kindly stop belittling our history, including that of Jebha, because it taught you and everyone in the region that is okay, in fact honorable and dignified, to reject oppression and fight for your rights.

            Peace

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            I am glad you have something to say about this, because you proved my point that Aman’s comparison of your Arabist inspired revolution and Mengistu Neway’s coup. The situation in Ethiopia, during that time did not allow for a kind of ‘revolution’ Aman declared was similar. It wasn’t. To say it was is intellectually dishonest. That was my point. The rest of what you said was just your opinion I happen to disagree with the large part of it, and happy to agree to disagree with you… 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Lij Eyob,
            You disagree with me! How dare you?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Oh well, this is what ‘simentegnaw shi’ (the end times) brings. According to the good book (bible or Quran take your pick) during these times ‘sons disobey the fathers’ 🙂

            Aman,

            For what it is worth, here is the story of Mengistu Neway coup. By any stretch of imagination, it was not a revolution. It was just a dream of an idealistic young man, who is from an elite family, who manipulated his older brother who was a general and his other three friends, who were in positions of power to make his dream come true…

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Ethiopian_coup_attempt

          • abinet

            Ato Saleh
            it looks like history is repeating itself. How would you compare the fudals of ethiopia in the last century to the generals of eritrea now? Exept that those fudals did not incolved in human trafficking.
            When derg nationalized the land, the poor peasants were there to take over. The way things are going in Eritrea now, as people of all ages are fleeing, who is going to take over the country? Where is the dignity and honor to reject oppression and fight for your rights now ?
            Peace.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Abinet,

            Oppression in the 10th century, 19th, 20th and 21st is still oppression. I do not have to compare anything because, …why would I compare similar things?

            Oppression is established and is weeded out in its time. I wish we had Aladdin’s lamp to wish it gone. It take its time, just like Ethiopian oppression, Chinese, South African and other oppressions took their time. It wouldn’t be fair to ask you where were you in the sixties when half your population was treated like slaves, just like it is unfair for you to ask me why don’t you just end this oppression. I wish Abinet, it is work in progress and as painful as it is, it will take its course.

            But please do not take it against us for being victims of oppression 🙂

          • abinet

            Ato Saleh
            It is painful indeed. Good luck !

          • abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            I don’t want to remind you that there was a revolution in 1974 that overthrew the king. That makes it only 14 years after the coup. Besides the conciseness of the majority was very low in the last century.
            Derg was the most hated mafia like group who ruled by gun point until the end. At lesst to my knowledge, it is why when eprdf control addis, there was little or no resistance from the public. There was no civil war as it was propagated by derg.Efrdf controlled Addis Ginbot 20, people were at work on Ginbot 22.Salaries weee paid on time on Ginbot 30. What does it show you?
            First Ethiopians are extremely noble people, second, more importantly, they were fade up with derg the butcher.
            But Eritreans even in diaspora still worship His Exellency I.A the rat of nakfa. You said you will prevail sooner or later. The wuestion is how do you do it . To be honest you are ( opposition) are so divided that you are sending a bad message to those in Eritrea. You couldn’t evev give them some hope that change is coming. That is why they are leaving the country they died for.
            Ato Amanuel, since you have been in the struggle for a long time, I have a question for you. Where are those Arab countries who helped you in your struggle against the king and derg now ? Why are not helping you now when you need them the most if they were really standing for you? Why were they against derg and the king but not IA?
            I hope you give me some answers only if you think I am worthy of your time.
            Thanks and sorry to be involved in Eritreans issue.

          • tafla

            Rahwa & Eyob,

            Eritreans are not demanding anything from Ethiopians. All we want from you is to vacate sovereign Eritrean territory. The belittling and arrogance is coming from you too if you look closely at what you have written above. If Ethiopia wish good relations with Eritrea, Eritreans are ready to talk the day after you keep your word on the border issue. Before that happens, no talk of brotherhood will persuade any Eritrean to trust you.

          • abinet

            Keep talking about the border. Last time I checked it is not from badime that people are fleeing or kidnapped. It is from different places including asmara. Why do you need that piece of land while the youth is abandoning the whole country? Why do you keep the whole country hostage because of the border? So many countries have border despite but as far as I know they don’t hold their citizens hostage. Besides, if you can’t do anything about it, don’t talk about it.
            Mogn ena wereqet yeyazewn ayleqim.

          • Hope

            Dear Abinet:
            Tafla is talking about the direct and indirect role of the Badme issue.It is 2+2=4.
            I am just being disappointed when you deliberately twist things in a day light and when you know all the FACTS on ground.
            This is NOT healthy, in my opinion..
            My 2 cents advice is:
            Let ‘s debate honestly and truthfully if you are really and honestly interested in a peaceful Co-existence.
            I ask you to avoid your unhealthy rhetoric and arrogant approach,as I have done or am doing..
            Eritreans are, by any standard, the MOST peace-loving and law-abidng people(to quote my cousin,SAAY), under the Sun without any exaggeration. But this SHOULD NOT be considered /counted as wekness,rather Strength but STRENGHT,by any standard/criteria!
            Veteran Mahmoud Salih testified a simple example.
            Personal Confession:
            Call me :confused or flip-flopper”,my new baptism name here in this forum,here is my unfiltered confession:
            I cannot live without my Ethiopian friends due to our deeply rooted friendship and relationship we have developed over the yrs, sepcially with my friends since I moved to Gonder/Classmates from the AAU(Addis Abeba University)etc
            My only favorite restaurant and Club are Ethiopians no matter what and despite my reservations,grief,”grudges”,”enemity and resentment”,etc…
            .Mind you, I grew up in Keren and Barka Regions of Eritrea and I am an eye-witness of the Ona and Besigdira deadly incidents, a direct victim of in-humane Torserait acts directly burning my own village and my own house(not kidding) and seeing burning bodies,a-2-yr-old-kid being burned up in flames while in his deep sleep,etc— in front of my eyes at the age of 5-7…not kidding.Salih Johar will prove my account/story to you as he does NOT lie.He even knows my village,called Ashera and the sub-village that was burning in front of my eyes is called Andelai(Y).But for security reasons,I won’t go beyond that,eventhough I already exposed myself..so what?.
            Tell me, from a Medical and Psycholgical point of view,the long term consequences of such grave and scary incidents to a-5-yr-old kid.
            N.B.
            My message:
            We cannot overide Nature’s Law,no matter what,and both Nations and Peoples will be “forced” by the Law of Nature to co-exist peacefully.Let us work for it.
            FYI:
            This is Hope(my nick here in this forum) ,who has been throwing few words against the Ethiopian Commenters and the ONE,our Famous Psyhic Ermias, labelled as a # 1 enemy of the Ethiopians and the Oppositions in this Forum!
            God bless you my dearest neighbor.

          • Abinet

            I need your help
            Are you the hope who was bragging yesterday about the new weapons Eritrea is getting from Russia that can reach addis in seconds?are you the one ? Sir, do you really read your comments ? Read your comments to nitric, horizon,to me,and others.you are very confusing.sometimes you are for peace other times you are ready to shoot with your AK47. In hours difference you say completely different things/ massages depends on who you are replying to. Sir, flip flap is understatement . It doesn’t even begin to describe you.
            Btw, I read every comment.

          • Hope

            I found out that more than 50% of comments under Hope have been by a different Hope.
            No way to control things here.
            But if comments are made by any one for the BEST interest of Eritrea,I would buy them.
            One thing though:
            I am for a National and Regional Reconciliation.
            BTW,this is a cyber space and do NOT expect things to be real and perfect—That is why people use nicks,opposite sex,etc—I am sue that you are not a real Abinet but a fake one..

          • Abinet

            Please accept my apologies . I was really confused.
            Thanks

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amen. Very much Amen..

          • Haile WM

            dear abinet
            being delusional is not going to help neither you Ethiopians nor we Eritreans,
            the Arabs you allways mention who, in your (and many ethiopians) opinion, supported us never existed, on the contrary Ethiopia was supported by the super powers of the time, the US during Hailesilasie and USSR during DERG time, Ethiopia had military financial and logistical support and we have ample evidence of that. You on the contrary have no evidence, only the propaganda from DERG time about arabs helping the kebessa Christians of eritrea (which is so inconsistent that even the DERG propagandist of the time wouldn’t believe in it)
            How about the TPLF ? did they also start with the help of the arab “Enemies of ethiopia” ? or the OLF were armed by arab “enemy” of Ethiopia?

            My man, we are at a level of subsistence farming economies, our (Eritrea and Ethiopia) are one of the poorest in the world, no wonder we speak about better growth and who’s better than the other, it’s like two homeless speaking about their money, one says “I had 5 $ in the morning and then someone came over and gave me another 5$: wow!! I had doubled my money!! I bet you hadn’t the same growth” and the second homeless replies “I had 15 $ this morning and nothing changed since, I have had no growth, but I am still richer than you…” The sad part of this joke is that they still remain homeless and poor but they feel they are better from one another and they get joy from that.

            I hope one day we could speak of advancement of real economy and our peoples leave in peace without the bullshit I see from part of both people.

          • abinet

            Selam haile
            Let’s see if Ato Amanuel agrees with you if you got help from the arabs or not. The arabs do not hesitate to help the devil itself if that helps them achieve their goals which is attack Ethiopia.
            I do not destick to derg had every kind of weapon at its disposal from different countries. If you dont mind telling me where did you make your weapons if you didn’t get them from the stinking arabs? Read the eulogies of the late leader of elf(rip) where he got his military and ideology training. Read the egyptian and other arab countries involvement . You are asking for evidence. What do you need? Purchase order?shipping details?or what? You sound like IA himself”WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE”?
            I am also the first one to admit that we are poor but humble. Yes we beg, yes we are homeless, but we have also a glitter of hope . Above all we have a country which we love and proud of in good times and bad. And we stick to it. So your homeless joke is not a joke and it is not new either.nitric always remind us that. Just give us some time .we will never beg again .I promise you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abinet & Hailw-WM,

            Abinet – Any support that comes from any where to energize and actualize our aspiration is welcomed back then and now. The Arab countries supported us materially and politically for our struggle and we consider them our friends. Anyone who is against the aspiration of Eritrean people is our enemy. That is the rule of engagement in any struggle. We support the struggle of TPLF and others during Derg because it was a right cause. So there wasn’t ill-intentioned support for the Eritrean cause(one point). Second who the heck – dare to tell us what is good support and bad support to our cause? Why is Ethiopian support good and others support bad? Abinet stay in your zone and know your limits.

            Haile-WM – Truth is truth, and we did get all kinds of support form the Arab countries during our armed struggle. There is nothing wrong with it. if somehow, you are told otherwise don’t believe them. I was on the receiving end of material help (military and food supplies) when it is shipped for both organizations.

            Senay MeaAlti,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Dear Amanuel Hidrat

            It is very honorable of you to tell the truth. I hope that your statement will close once forever this chapter of the Eritrean revolution that it should not be seen outside the cold war politics of the time and the ambitions and external policies of Arab countries of the region.

            At this point, I would like to quote saay, who had said in one of his comments that “At some point in the future, when our egos diminish, we will admit that Eritrea’s revolution of prevailing against the Dergue was a combination of a number of never-to-be-repeated factors: the collapse of the Soviet Union, the imbecility of MHM and his tendency to kill his best generals , etc”.

            Truth if told will help a lot in dissipating the myth, and it will clear the ground for future Ethio-Eritrean relations to be built on a new stable foundation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Horizon,

            Thank you for your nice words. Remember things can’t be kept classified for long time. That is why people are debating on assumptions without having the hard fact on hand. Look the young Nitricc keep questioning because he is not privy to the facts yet.

            But one serious note to you: Don’t separate the desire of Eritrean people to forge an independent nation and the geopolitics of the region. If it weren’t the complex geopolitics of the region, Eritrea might have been independent more earlier than 1991.

            Last but not least, once we install a democratic governance in Eritrea the two nations will be better off than the years of the struggle and years of confrontation be it within Ethiopia or between Eritrea and Ethiopia. The best is ahead of us. Having different political administration will not hinder us to cooperate on economic and cultural areas as well as promoting the security of the region.

            with all respect,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Aman
            Name one Arab country who supported EPLF be it militarily or financially.
            please!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitricc,

            If you really to know the facts what EPLF had received military support, just to mention two, EGYPT and Kuwait. It is high time to unclassified it for the purpose of historians. The shipment was divided between the two sisterly organizations. I am sure they will tell you different story to harvest some political turfs. Otherwise the truth can be classified for certain period but not for ever. It is time truth to be told.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Amde

            Hi Amanuel, SGJ or Mahmud,

            I understand the Egyptian support, but I am somewhat mystified with the Kuwaiti one. It was a conservative monarchy so ideologically it dd not see eye to eye with EPLF or ELF. It was not really interested in the pan-arab line competitvely pushed by Baathist Syria or Iraq. What was in it for Kuwait?

            I wonder if you can shed light on this one.

            amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Amde,
            National interests are usually not black and white. At the moment, the Saudis are against the Islamists of Egypt but supporting the Islamists of Syria. On the other hand,m they are supporting the military in Egypt and opposing the Assad regime. All regional countries believed in the right of Eritreans though Sudan during Aboud’s time was coo[perative with haile Sellasie because he thratened them with the Ananya movement of South Sudan which he supported. Therefore Sudan was not cooperative with Eritreans. During Numeiri’s time, he stated to use the Eritreans as a buffer security against Derg’s socialist expansion though his party was “socialist.” Then he fostered strong relations with the West (USA) and sided with the EPLF/TPLF, the West’s choice, against the maligned ELF. Add to that the airlifting of “Felasha” through Sudan with the blessing of Numeiri. Saudi Arabia didn’t like neither the Eritreans nor the Ethiopians because it viewed both as communists. Kuwait supported the EPLF but to some extent it supported the ELF (and ELF-PLF led by Sabbe).
            Iraq and Syria had a rivalry going on between them and that rivalry reflected in the relations between the Eritrean organizations on who secures more support. But the ELF had good relations with both well before there was PLF or EPLF. Egypt, inspite of the allegations by many Ethiopians, never provided training to Eritreans. During the Nasser days, it offered scholarships… but that was to all Africans, not limited to Eritreans as some try to make it appear. Don’t forget the Zafar liberation front of Southern Arabia (in Oman and South Yemen) a leftist organization which had good relations with the Eritrean struggle. And then Haile Sellasie had strong relations with the Shah of Iran… Amde, it is multi-faceted and not as simplistic as some thing. They wrongly state “Arab” support when there are over twenty Arab countries, each had its own policy. The lazy tell you: the Arab countries did this and that as if they have a unified foreign policy. They didn’t even have a unified policy of the Palestine-Israel conflict.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Amde,
            National interests are usually not black or white. At the moment, the Saudis are against the Islamists of Egypt but supporting the Islamists of Syria. On the other hand,m they are supporting the military in Egypt and opposing the Assad regime. All regional countries believed in the right of Eritreans though Sudan during Aboud’s time was coo[perative with haile Sellasie because he thratened them with the Ananya movement of South Sudan which he supported. Therefore Sudan was not cooperative with Eritreans. During Numeiri’s time, he stated to use the Eritreans as a buffer security against Derg’s socialist expansion though his party was “socialist.” Then he fostered strong relations with the West (USA) and sided with the EPLF/TPLF, the West’s choice, against the maligned ELF. Add to that the airlifting of “Felasha” through Sudan with the blessing of Numeiri. Saudi Arabia didn’t like neither the Eritreans nor the Ethiopians because it viewed both as communists. Kuwait supported the EPLF but to some extent it supported the ELF (and ELF-PLF led by Sabbe).
            Iraq and Syria had a rivalry going on between them and that rivalry reflected in the relations between the Eritrean organizations on who secures more support. But the ELF had good relations with both well before there was PLF or EPLF. Egypt, inspite of the allegations by many Ethiopians, never provided training to Eritreans. During the Nasser days, it offered scholarships… but that was to all Africans, not limited to Eritreans as some try to make it appear. Don’t forget the Zafar liberation front of Southern Arabia (in Oman and South Yemen) a leftist organization which had good relations with the Eritrean struggle. And then Haile Sellasie had strong relations with the Shah of Iran… Amde, it is multi-faceted and not as simplistic as some thing. They wrongly state “Arab” support when there are over twenty Arab countries, each had its own policy. The lazy tell you: the Arab countries did this and that as if they have a unified foreign policy. They didn’t even have a unified policy of the Palestine-Israel conflict.Type your reply…

          • hope

            Now you sounded like PIA as that is what he said exactly yrs ago in one of his interviews about Eritro-Arab relations.

          • Saleh Johar

            hope, I have to say this:if you want to debate please be rational. What if Isaias says the capital city of Egypt is Cairo, then I say, “the capital city of Ethiopia is Addis Ababa,” would you exclaim, “Now you sounded like PIA ad that is what he said exactly yrs ago!” What does that prove?

            Hope, some truths are constant no matter who says them. I don’t know what you are implying.

          • hope

            It was a joke—My apology for the miscommunication.

          • Rodab

            Hi SaleH,
            Can you give me example of truths that are not constant?

          • haileTG

            Hey Rodab…r u kidding or what? Only haile TG can answer questions like that 🙂 Here goes

            – Can you give me example of truths that are not constant?

            – Absolutely! Since I can’t claim to know “all Truth” out there, there may or may not be truths that are not constant. Since the truth that I know of are the subset of those that exist out there, and I know them to be constant, I am justified to say “some truth” as opposed “all truth” 🙂 🙂

            How you like that ma man 😉

          • Saleh Johar

            Rodab and your tough questions:-)

            I will try: how about “the world is flat” a few centuries ago?

            Now that truth of the old world is proven wrong and replaced by another truth: “the world is not flat.”

            But I agree with you, for clarity, I should have said, facts instead of truth… but then you would ask me a similar question:-) But I hope you understand my reply to Hope.

          • hope

            “They didn’t even have a unified policy of the Palestine-Israel conflict.”This is verbatum copy of PIA few yrs ago.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hello Amde,

            I consider you from the few Ethiopians who are sensible and reasonable person in this forum. The problem with our Ethiopian brothers is, you only see the Eritrean politics and diplomatic outreach through the prism of Pan-Arabism only. Please the Eritrean cause has History of colonization and our struggle was to decolonize our land. Any support to our struggle, we as Eritreans see it through that political prisms.

            The countries who want to support us might have their own agenda to influence the Eritrean politics, as it is true in every geopolitical maneuvering in the region by the Western and Eastern blocs of that era. Remember Amde, the Pan-Arabist countries are divided themselves in the the big-bloc-geopolitics of – the Soviet and the West . Notwithstanding, at the end of the day when things are settled (after independence), the Eritrean people decided the fate of the nation. At least the current stand of the government in itself doesn’t reflect to support your argument. So Amde and others like you, when are you going to stop this old politics that hasn’t reality in Eritrea today? All those perceptions are proved to be wrong. There weren’t any string attached to any support – written or oral agreement in all our diplomatic-dispatch with our friendly countries (Arab and non-Arab).

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Amde

            Hi Amanuel, Saleh

            I thank you both.

            Aman, I am afraid you read something in my post that I did not write. I had thought the way I phrased the question indicated that I assumed there were ideological and national interest nuances within the community of Arab states, and those nuances could explain why they would support the Eritrean movement. Saleh, you gave me a good overview of the nuances of policy differences among Arab states, some of which I was aware of – some of which I didn’t so thank you for the input.

            Still, I don’t believe either one of you have provided me with sufficiently clear response. Saleh, you state that Egypt never gave training to Eritreans other than scholarships. However, brother Aman wanted to specifically highlight the contribution of Egypt and Kuwait in particular to the Eritrean cause. Beyond the contradiction between the two of you on the role of Egypt, both of you have chosen to be mum about the specific question that I asked. What I asked did not say anything about a unified Arab role etc, but specifically as to why it was in Kuwait’s national or ideological interest to support the Eritrean cause.

            I assumed Kuwait was a conservative gulf monarchy which would not necessarily find much of interest for it to meddle in the Horn of Africa, especially when it involves revolutionary leftist and very secular organizations. Based on Aman’s interjection, obviously my assumption is wrong. I just wanted to understand why and how.

            amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Amde,

            The support of Syria and Iraq was significant in terms of military training and funds. Kuwait was mostly funds, food aid and medical treatment of wounded combatants. Kuwait has also provided boats* that were used to transport goods, men and arms to Eritrea across the Red Sea from Yemen and other places. Let me clear this for you. There is not significant support from Egypt except the founders happened to be students in Egyptian schools and universities or living in exile. In the mid fifties, Nasser’s Egypt provide radio air time for all African and third world freedom fighters … withing that program, Eritrean was given a slot that was run by the Late Welwel. I haven’t heard of a single fighters trained in Egypt. If Aman knows what i do not know, I would be eager to learn. As for Kuwait, I explained the different motives for countries to support a cause or not. Kuwait believed in the cause of Eritreans–there are a few Kuwait journalists who were instrumental in steering the public opinion to support Eritreans organization. A few even went to the field and produced documentaries at that early stage. Other than that, I cannot tell you specifically why they were supportive of Eritrea… but do not compare their support to that of Iraq for example. For fairness sake also, there was an Eritrean business man who resided in Kuwait for a long time. He was a close friend of the late Sabbe and had strong network of friends among the Kuwaitis. His name is Mohammed Ali AlAmeen**. He was also very effective in garnering strong relations between Kuwait and Eritrea. I know that a senior security officer from the Khorafi family was his close friend and he was a staunch supporter of Eritrea. The present Amir of Kuwait, who was the Foreign minister in the early sixties is the first diplomat who talked about the predicament of Eritreans at the UN.

            Amde, you ask complicated questions and want them answered in one post. That is not possible my friend. Otherwise I will give you one-liner statements that summarize pages and pages worth of information. Eyob is good that. What I tried to exp-lain in my comments to you, he can summarize to: yetabatachew Areboch 🙂

            *Ali Mohammed Saleh has written a memoir book in Arabic, translated into English. He is a veteran fromthe mid-sixties, was the Eritrean representative in Kuwait for a long time and is knowledgeable of the region since he held offices and traveled in the area extensively. After 1991 he joined the Eritrean government and worked at the Eritrean embassies in Abu Dhabi and then in Senaa before leaving his post and now resides in London. He is a good source for the kind of information you are seeking.
            **Mohammed Ali AlAmeen later sided with Isaias after abandoning Sabbe. He left Kuwait in the eighties and now I heard he lives and travels between Uganda and Eritrea.

          • Amde

            Hi Saleh,

            Thank you so much for the response. That was enlightening, and if I may say so, a short but well written case study on what actually happens behind the scenes of “diplomacy”.

            You draw a picture to me where Kuwait’s role is not due to national or ideological interest per se (as rationally articulated through some sort of internal policy formulation process), but perhaps due to an aggregation of elite opinion formed through informal networks. I guess in a monarchy the line is rather fuzzy between “elite opinion” and “national interest” so it might be a distinction without a difference.

            While I had not expressed it, that was sort of what I had in mind actually as a plausible reason – to which can be (perhaps ?) added the potential HaileSellasie and Shah of Iran’s relationship.

            It would be interesting to hear Aman’s input.

            amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Amde,
            Diplomacy is always tricky. Sometimes you dispatch your diplomats based on the nature of the countries – some one who know the political culture of those countries, who makes them to speak at easy with their languages. Those diplomats should have full sunlight diplomatic acumen who can tell the political philosophy of the organization only within the scope of “national democratic program.” So regarding Kuwait, I believe that could be the thin line they could walk.

            Sal (SG), What I can tell is just my own experience, the three years assignments in Port-Sudan. Other than the food supplies, both organization have received two big shipment of heavy military weapons from Egypt and Kuwait in 1979 (to be divided between ELF and EPLF).

          • abinet

            Ato Amanuel, Ato Saleh
            Thank you for the clarification. This is why I signed up at Awate University.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            I volunteer to answer: Yemen, Kuwait, UAE, ….

          • Nitricc

            Thanks Aman, thanks SG. I guess I had the wrong info But when we said Aid, are we talking about onetime donation type thing or an Aid where it went for extended period of time? I guess, I am trying to get the bottom of it. I did read that PIA saying “EPLF never got any support from Arab country” and that was my impression and understanding. now you guys are giving me more work.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Nitricc,

            Don’t be stuck on the information of DIA only. Keep in mind DIA isn’t the only source of our history. You have thousands of Eritreans who were in the revolution and are privy on how our revolution was going on diplomatically and militarily. If you want to be good student of history you listen to all actors who were part of that history making and make your own judgement.

            Now just understand that any kind of help rendered to the Eritrean struggle is the outcome of our political diplomacy and we are proud to have it. Again we had all kind of support from the Arab world and none Arab world. This is not the right forum to talk the details of the support we got during the armed struggle but you have now a general glimpse how political diplomacy contribute to the success of our struggle. Those who helped us were the friend of our struggle and those who oppose us are the enemy of our struggle.That is how we framed our politics at that time. As a young student of Eritrean history don’t jump to answer questions rather be inquisitive to know more in order to be a more conscious better man to meet the needs of your country.

            Amanuel H.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            Now it is time you asked yourself, why does Isaias do that?

            He doesn’t want anyone to shine but him, that is why you don’t have a second person beside him. Always alone. He doesn’t mention any person in name avoiding giving credit to others. He spreads the impression that he brought the independence of Eritrea alone. Have you ever heard him mention any Eritrean hero? Never. He doesn’t want competition in fame. Just him alone. In the same way, he denies any help the Eritrean struggle received from different sides. He grew on assistance brought by Sabbe but he will be found dead than mention Sabbe. Never mentioned Ibrahim Sultan, Kebire, Weldeab Weldemariam, Awate… or even heroes from the past, like Bahta Hagos and many others. He never acknowledged anyone but himself. He bastardized the notion of self-reliance to mean thanklessness and ungratefulness to those who stood by you. That is why he denies all help.

            For our Ethiopian friends: in the seventies, the Eritrean struggle had to deal with the Ethiopian Derg and its Arab allies. We had to face the tripartite alliance of Yemen-Libya-Ethiopia.

            In 1977, an fighter jet was downed in Akordet (then a liberated town) and the pilot ejected and landed on the side of the Barka River. He was a Yemeni pilot named Jemal AlKhatib, flying Ethiopian jet and bombing Agordat. The Arabs fought against the Eritrean struggle on the side of Ethiopia. It is not as simple as making hallow bigoted remarks.

            One more thing: Most left leaning countries helped and sympathized with the Eritrean struggle. China, Cuba, Syria and Iraq trained many officers who led the Eritrean liberation army.

          • haileTG

            Hi SG

            “He bastardized the notion of self-reliance to mean thanklessness and ungratefulness to those who stood by you.”…hmmm, sorry to admit it but I never looked at it in that profitable way either 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            HTG,
            Glad to provide at least one different angle, now as many as what you provided.

            Think of something that goes with that: he always refers ti the Eritrean people, “ezi hzbi ‘zi” and the country, “eza hager ‘ziyaa.” He never mentions his ministers and generals by name, “gele halefti nrussia keydom…. ab’ou zelo ambassador, neti Emmam Hizom zelewu…” always avoiding mentioning names. He is a manipulator in chief and many fall for his tricks.

          • Hope

            Dear Big Uncle Johar,
            No surprise here about your brutal honesty,truthfullness and comprehensiveness,Mr Salih.
            Let me add few cosmetics as well:
            Libya:
            Col Mu’ammer Kezafi’s role was more than what you mentioned,not to mention his vulagr language and threat,calling us “Kafirs”(Donkeys) during Eritro-Yemeni War.But to his CREDIT,I also appreicated and admired him for his positivie role during Ethio-Eritrean “Border” War and his “free gift of gas and oil” coupons,i.e.,he paid us back,may he RIP and Allah bless his soul!
            The Sudan:
            -The Sudanese Government almost was involved in strangulating the Eritrean Armed Struggle during the late 1980s in collaboration with the Dergue Regime.
            Kuwait and the Saudi Kingdom:
            -Do NOT forget the polarizing and divisive role of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to some extent,without going into the details,as you know better than me as to what I am talking about.
            Syria:
            -Again despite its “divisive and opportunistic” role,it did help our armed struggle but it made a tactical and startegic mistakes until the last days –lobbying against Eritrean membership to the Arab League….Of course, PIA also played some negative role on his part from diplomatic point of view.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Nitricc; Yes, they are giving you more homework. Listen to bro. Gadi & Amanuel my good friend Nitricc. Self-reliance doesn’t mean you don’t seek assistance. It just means you discipline yourself to become resourceful, use own resources cleverly. If you knew the scale and size of the revolution, you would infer the fact that some sort of assistance was involved. We may not talk statistically, but it was obvious. There is no question that most military hardware was captured. However, you need the supply of ammunition; and if you can guess how many soldiers, tanks, different artillery. …in a specific operation or a specific period of attrition (mostly in months continuous engagements), you can tell our internal resources would not be enough. This in addition to other logistics and social services the organizations were delivering. And it were not only the Arabs, but many Scandinavian parties and individuals were helping in medical and other social areas. Somalian support was among the visible military assistances.

          • Saleh Johar

            Basha,
            Don’t forget the millions of dollars worth of assistance collected by ERA, including food aid and medicine, that was channeled to the military aspects of the struggle. ERA was part and parcel of the the organization and not an independent entity as marketed in the West.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Saleh;
            Yes, that’s true. When I mentioned Scandinavian…I had that in mind; it includes all the relief and aid activities in Europe…etc.

          • Haile WM

            Selam Amanuel,
            my problem is not the Help in it’self we all know that some arabs countries were helping but the extent and the context of it… many Ethiopians use this mantra of help of generic arabs which was part of the propaganda of ethiopian elite to rally ethiopians and it was based on calculations to rally people on religion sentimentalism… some arab countries were helping in the context of Baathist movements of the time; moreover, speaking of help to the struggle, it did not come only from them, there was also help from china, USSR and many more…
            What I am contesting on abinet and those who like to think like him, is that arabs as enemy of ethiopia is more like deki hidirtina trying to hijack ethiopian airlines 😀

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Haile-WM,
            Who cares. What it matters to Eritrean people is whoever and whatever help, and from where ever the help came to the Eritrean struggle we appreciate and welcome it. Don’t forget the argument is coming from those who oppose our struggle. Just state the truth as is. We got a variety of help be it diplomatic or material help from different countries be it Arabs and none Arabs. Those help did contribute to the success of our struggle. That is the truth. Pivot your argument on the facts and at the end facts win in a debate.

            Hawka,

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • hope

            Again,
            Wat is the role of arguing about things that happened 30-35 yrs agoWith or with out the help of others,we achieved our goal.The time and energy and resourses should be invested on step 2—For real change and Freedom in its totality.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hope,
            So you don’t think studying history is important! I will leave you with three quotes:
            1) George Santayana, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
            2) George Orwell, “He who controls the present, controls the past.”
            3) Cicero the great Roman master rhetorician, “To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child.”

            I didn’t look it up for you now, all are in a speech in Australia in 2012:
            http://awate.com/eritrea-the-challenges-of-today-and-the-prespects-of-tomorrow/

          • O-Hope–aka, the original Hope

            Selam wesenay Johar,
            From an academic and intellectual point of view,it makes sense and I am not against what you said but my concern is as to why are we making it a big deal and debating with people who might be obssessed with “Arabism of Eritrea” for ever..
            Well, I guess you have clarifed a big time to those who have been obssessed with that kind of mentality.
            You made me to “flip-flop” now.
            Thank you; and your advice and clarifications are well taken.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hello Hope,

            Simply there are deniers to our friends during the armed struggle. And the message we want to pass is, let me put it in a quote ” any kind of help doesn’t change to who we are for what we aspire”. The PFDJites do not appreciate the help we received during our struggle.

          • Haile WM

            Selam abinet

            don’t promise something you’r not sure of…

            BTW the homeless joke was meant to highlight that neither of us in better shape enough to brag around… Mr “new york of Africa” ( I wonder then New York would be the Addis of America in future by implication.. now you agree on this being the funny one:) )

            On the help issue from the generic Arabs you always refer to, does it include the Chinese the USSR or other African countries who did help eritreans in their struggle? I mean, IA was sent to China by ELF in order to get some help from the chinese.. do you see any consistency at all with the “Arab enemies” you are obsessed with? Some of the ELF were even sent to the USSR to be trained… my friend don’t even compare the things with the Russians, Cubans and Yemenis on the side of Ethiopia ( PRY, guess who’s arabs are they..) who were physically financially and morally helping the DERG to try to liquidate the Eritrean struggle, to the extent that even some of the soviet military advisers were captured by the EPLF in battles . My friend read History the evidence is there, no need for payslips, just a good history book.

  • Haqi

    SELAM rodab, nitric
    I can’t wait for word cup 2014, it’s has been a long wait but it’s finally here. I am picking Germany to take it all. if not Germany then it will be Argentina. By the way what did I tell you about the nfl draft

    Sal aleka do abi seb, how about a prediction

  • Araya

    haha, I like this one, it is true. this forum is exploding. nice. I have a gift for the Ethiopians.

    http://meskerem.net/iquwamnbndex.2.jpg

    • Hope

      Look how she is looking at him and the way he is looking at and Psychology 101 or a low level “sign language: expert could easily diagnose this gesture.
      No honesty—
      What now? Did I hear him say that Eritrea was supporting the S Sudanrebels?Do these people have any sense of—–?Insulting the Intelligence?
      I know lying is a major tool of Political Business but this is just beyond —-

  • AMEN

    Dear Awates
    FYI
    New devolopments are currently fast unfolding in Ethiopia. TPDM is becoming the major party representing Tigray with many followers joining it everyday. Its media outlets are also
    reporting that many of the Militias armed previously by Tplf/ Eprdf are joining the organization abandoning the Tplf/Eprdf.
    I think the sun is setting on the Tplf/Eprdf as the situation is getting bleak everyday similar to the late 80’s and early 90’s of col. Mengistu regime of Dergue/Esepa. History is repeating
    itself in Ethiopian political reality.
    Report was also obtained Observers of Ethiopia and monitoring of clandestine TPDM radio in Tigray.

    • hope

      Amen,
      Let us do our business as they are doing fine from their end.Please be so kind to yourself.
      I mean-innocent people are being kidnapped,being killed,top generals,elites,etc—and the worst of all, the young generation is getting decimated—I mean,come on Bro.If you are that much articulate in English,I mean,this is not rockect science but something a 2nd Garder can understand and figure out.
      Weyo naten ghedifensi nai enda hamaten!

      • AMEN

        You and Issayas have always the same old and outdated trick
        which you never hesitate to play it on the people.
        First of all who are you to tell me what to do ? mind you own bizz ?
        And the trick I said is
        You first create problem recklessly….and ask the people to clean
        your mess. Issayas deliberately created the present problem
        because he knows if challenged he will pull the playing card which
        the Americans always advise him to play it but what he was choosing
        to hold it for a while before he brought it to the table after his nakedness
        came by the woyanes after the Badme war.
        So what drove him to be so reckless and careless conducting the war
        was because he knows he has a last resort to challenge the people
        with his US advised last card to play.

        • Hope

          Are you talking to another Hope or Isayas Afewerki?
          I said what I said—and I stand firm on what I said.I was responding to thread talking about TPDM.
          You could be the “best Eritrean Hero”,never seen/existed before/ as of yet but I am just commenting on your comment,which I am entitled to..
          [Moderator: repeating comments are not helpful. Provide a link to it if you wish. The repeated comment is deleted.]

          • Rahwa T

            Hope,
            I am wondering you have the courage to talk about the “Sun setting” and the “the Sun rising”.

          • Hope

            What now? You lost me by losing yourself…What courage?
            Are U questioning Eritreanism?
            Raed history or take Eritrean Hixtoryy 101 and/or Ethio-Eritrean History 101.Then you can come back and talk to me.

          • hope

            Please read: “Raed” as Read and “hixtoryy” as History…my apology for the error.

          • hope

            [Moderator: Selam Hope, it is an excellent spirit. Please follow it diligently.]

            Moderator:
            I copied the comment under his/her name to remind him about what exactly he/she said as a ref-.No need of link here as it is irrelevant.
            Hope you got me.
            BTW: All people are born equal and should be tretaed as such.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Hope, that is an excellent spirit. Please follow it diligently.

          • Hope

            Thank you Mr Moderator.I am hear to learn but it takes time though and be patient,please.
            “Enquilal be’eghir yihedal”.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Awate Team,
    I had a long rebuttal as final effort to (sem, Hail-TG, and T.Kifle) on “nation state” “Eritrean state”, and “political system”. It was shown for few seconds and gone. It sucks to go through it again. Any idea about it.

    Aamnauel Hidrat

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Sem, Haile-TG, T.Kifle & others who are interested on the subject,

    Until we come to the same understanding what “a system” is, it is hard to define the “political system” that is ruling the “Eritrean state.” So for the sake of all awitistas (awate forum) to forge a common understanding, I will define it narrowly. A political system is a set of formal legal institution that constitute “a government” or “a state.” A political system in modern world is a “nation-state.” (I put some words in quotation to show the terms we are debating for and to show the interplay of the term in defining the ruling system). The other details that comes for elaboration will either implicitly or explicitly be reflected within that contextual definition. These includes all types of government be it authoritarian regimes, dictatorial regimes, or/and democratic regimes.

    Now within the parameter of the above definition, there are (a) “a nation state” (b) “Eritrean state” (c) and “a political system” in the country of ours. The two political expressions or terminologies (a &b) will not stand by themselves or defined without each other to understand what the word ” political system” is. Let us take this cautionary talk and this opportunity to make things right by understanding the concept and its applications. We have a legal state, notwithstanding with its oppressive state machine, recognized by the international community ( the UN). The world know there is a government and a state with its “political system” in Eritrea. I agree with the international community’s stand about the existence of those three aspect of a “nation state.” There is no “political system” in Eritrea is not an argument and can’t defy the litmus that says “a nation state can’t stand without a system,” whatever the nature of government it follows.

    In any authoritarian states the head of the states always control the political system of those “nation states.” It isn’t different in Eritrea except the tactics differ depending on the consciousness of the people. The more the people are conscious the more brutal regime with different power tools will be. The brutality of a dictator is directly proportional to the resistance of the people. Therefore the argument that our dictator is worse than other dictators, and hence, there is no a political system in Eritrea doesn’t cut the wood.

    Using actuarial political science, we can make a validated risk assessment with an instrument that considers a variety of factors to produce a reasonable approach to our struggle. This “no system” argument doesn’t hold water at all. Knowing the nature of the system is the only way that could help us how to fight against Issayas and the system and its infra-structure that strangulate tightly to the Eritrean people.

    There is also a laughable argument that, if Issayas is removed, we will have a “constitutional government” in Eritrea under PFDJ-2. PFDJ is a political culture and a continuation of that of EPLF of the liberation era. They have their own value system that permeated throughout for decades. That value system is the ruling system in Eritrea. That value system was and is exclusive. The monopolizing mentality is not of Issayas only, it the mentality of the organization that continues to be till these days. It is the mentality of all the the leaders including the ranks and files. If the secrecy of Medrekites doesn’t give us an alert to the behavior and political culture of PFDJ ( call it PFDJ-1 or PFDJ-2) we have a problem to think about alternatives. We think about a single organization to rule Eritrea by giving a new names that reflect to “time” only deceives the public. Without any alternatives in the scene will remain a heck of burden and surely is a hell to the Eritrean people.

    Let me give you an example. If there weren’t war and the election was scheduled in 1998 or 1999, who will be competitors? they will be individuals within the party. Who else? So these people PFDJ-2 will be from the same political culture of exclusion (I don’t want to name-names either from the jailed or not jailed). I am not defending on their political views, I am only defending for they couldn’t defend their rights in the court of law (their inalienable rights). Otherwise they were at one time the heads of “political ideologues of the organization” and “political security of the organization/party ” which exist today. We need frankness in our debate.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Amanuel H.,

      I am happy that your effort to come-up with tangible definition of PFDJ identity and hence after to go-on to the next level of doing what we can do with it. I agree with you that unless we have a common understanding on this basic definition, politically, it is not easy to bring a solution. You have made now more clear what we have discussed for the last couple of weeks.

      haile TG, Solomon A. ALi-S, Semere, Mahmud S., Saay, SG, T.Kifle, Rodab, Saba, Ermias and others hopefully will come and put forth the definition of PFDJ identity.

      Hawka
      tes

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear All,

    The world has seen many barbaric actions by many dictators but yet the people are the winners. Today, 04/06, is a special day in modern Chinese history. Media news were reporting what was happening at that time and played their great role in telling the world what was happening.

    How about the thousands of Eritreans who are just vanishing without report and no information at all about they are about?

    Should we wait till a miracle to happen (like that of Dejen)and yet there is no voice from inside their cells? My fellow Eritreans and the world, a question for us is whispering from the voiceless detainees on the occasion of Tankman Tiananmen Massacr.

    Hawkum
    tes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLRIWySEMbI&hd=1

  • Hayat Adem

    Dejen is a uniquely refreshing story but the overall situation is very gloomy at least according to my analysis on PFDJ and the nation based on the current reality and “if the present trend continues for a while”:
    -PFDJ and Eritrean opposition forces are incapable of changing the situation for better.
    -The Ethiopians have a resource capacity ( probably a moral capacity, too) to impact positive change but are not assertive enough to come to the front so far, which they will regret it later as they will be the next people (next to Eritreans) to suffer the consequences of their inaction.
    -US and the West have a very poor and mechanical understanding of the Eritrean situation; hence incapable of impacting an organic and sustainable transition in Eritrea as they are now focused on a quick fix by just replacing names and personalities.
    -The most disturbing reality is that the Eritrean people (the true owners of the nation and its future) have been made too impotent to influence political events over the years and they have now limited their role down to wait-and-see.
    -Given that the Eritrean people are overly polarized and armed: I SEE A HEAVY CLOUD OF CIVIL WAR HOVERING AROUND where Eritrea may be one more time bleeding and all bad foreign hands from near and far would be parachuting their agents to the Eritrean land to exploit the chaos for their own interests.
    Hayat

    • Yodita

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      When you say ” ….-Given that the Eritrean people are overly polarized and armed: I SEE A HEAVY CLOUD OF CIVIL WAR HOVERING AROUND…”
      In my view for a people to be ‘overtly polarized’ they would necessarily have to have the freedom of expression to use all that is in communication to reach that level. On what grounds is this overtly polarized position you indicate? With the tight grip that PFDJ has on all Eritreans, how does this polarization develop and thrive to warrant a heavy cloud of civil war hovering? Or am I living in the moon with my strong belief that such a thing like a civil war is most unlikely to happen in the country of justice loving people like Dejen?

      • Nitricc

        Yodita I wrote to hayat with same line but diques ate it. it will turn up
        she is expressing her dream, . Anyway; I think you did live in a “moon” i thought you and Ermias went to honey moon. where is he at? lol
        oh well. Some body got to start the rumors.

        • Ermias

          Thanks brother Nitricc, you killed my *** dream. You woke me up from my fantasy honeymoon with Saba (no sorry I meant Yodita). It’s good to have those dreams every once in while to stay sane.

          I do not believe at all that we will have a civil war in Eritrea. Aversion of killing each other is the very thing that is keeping DIA and PFDJ in power. What worries me rather is the irreversible damage being done when an entire generation of youth is amiss from a small country like Eritrea. In the 50 or so years of Eritreans exodus, the proportion of those who returned is negligible, or none to speak of. Even in the peaceful years of 1991-1997, very few returned to resettle. It takes time.

          • SA

            Hey Ermi:

            “…the proportion of those who returned is negligible…”

            And a lot of those who returned to Eritrea soon realized that they made a mistake and went back abroad. Except for a very small of group of the returnees who stayed, my guess is that most of them regret their decision to return to their beloved country. Little did they know their beloved country was going to be ruled by control freaks who do not have love for their people.

            SA

          • Hope

            Dear SA,
            Unfortunately and regretably,I might be one of the few you mentioned(who made a round trip).
            My only reason though,was NOT that the PFDJ did not do me a favor but the PFDJ refused or denied me to do a big FAVOR to/for my needy people.
            .As I confessed before in this website,I offered to build few basic Comprehensive Community Clinics fully equipped with Phamacy,Basic Radiology,MCH Center(MCH=Mother and Child Health).This was when I visited Eritrea/Keren few yrs ago and after I noticed sick people,sick kids included, lined up at 3am for the next day Clinic Visit and I felt guilty and decided to do something.Initially,the MoH accepted my offer after i showed them enough Funds in US $ and after I showed them a proof that I paid my 2% since 1993–until 2007,which was a huge chunk of money,some of them have never seen or anticpated based on their surprise they showed me after looking at my receipts.
            But only to turn me down after they got what they wanted.
            That is the way PFDJ does business as we all know,of course.I am not surprised though if the heros and heroins,the Generals,the Pilots,the Fedayeens,the Commandos,etc–are being dumped in a day light after they sacrified all their lives –for the sake of us and Eritrea.
            it just does NOT make sense to me the way business is done in Eritrea-
            it is jsut beyond simple comprehension–nonsensical at all.-

          • SA

            Dear Hope:
            Yes, it is beyond nonsense as well as it is tragic. Hope and pray that a time will come soon when good people like you will return to rebuild the country.

            SA

          • Ermias

            Selamat SA, worse yet, the very few who returned (from the West) were the ones who have been away for so long, 20 + years so you can bet that the new ones entering Europe and the US now are not going back for decades, just like us who have been in the West for decades. This will create a huge generational gap, the effects of which will start showing soon and last for a long time. This is somewhat analogous to the social security system in the US as regards to the baby boomers. “The cost of Social Security will rise faster than tax income because the population over age 65 will grow faster than the working-age population.” In other words, the beneficiary-to-worker ratio will be unfavorable. Have we reached some threshold yet or am I being overly concerned at the wrong thing?

      • haileTG

        Hey Yodita,

        I would agree with you in as far as saying that civil war isn’t to the liking of a justice loving people like Dejen. But saying “unlikely to happen” may not be taking all the variables in to consideration or putting extra faith on one’s own assumptions. If we go back 15 years, it would take us to the middle of the Ethio-Eritrea war, would you have stood at that point in time and imagined that Eritreans would be abandoning Eritrea in hundreds of thousands and not raise meaningful challenge to defend their future as people and country? Would you have imagined many Eritreans are a permanent headline fixture of death and tragedy and many others would just turn their back saying it is just another politics? Would it surprise you if you wake up to find that sections of Eritreans would be fighting to secure their freedom and the regime engaging them to maintain its hold in power? I would say that it is the hardest thing to be sure of anything when there is no information as you rightly said.

        Regards

    • Zolam

      Hi Hayat,

      Regarding the role that Ethiopia, my country, can/should play in helping sort out the gloom situation in neighboring Eritrea, while understanding your argument, I beg to differ on the conclusion.

      Ethiopia may have some potential to impact a positive result, not forgetting that it still has a lot to do at home with its meager economy. Indeed, inaction might cost us. But, I honestly believe that intervening in Eritrea more than what it is being done now will have a far negative effect on Ethiopia, if not also in Eritrea than a possible advantage it might help secure. I feel that any attempt to do so will be opposed in Ethiopia (people asking for what/whom?) and fiercely fought by shabia and the brainwashed people (at least the majority) of the latter. Remember that even the ardent opposition Saleh of Awate is against any involvement from Ethiopia. Even if things will go okay, I don’t think the militaristic generation in Eritrea would be ready to legitimately run the state afterwards and any further stay by Ethiopia will definitely be uncalled for. As to the result of the inaction, some cost is to be expected, but the extent is to be seen. As an Ethiopian and taking some lessons from history, I would only pray that you sort your issues and Ethiopia stays away till such time that a friendly and legitimate leadership reigns.

      Regards,

      • Nitricc

        Zolem
        I can understand Hayat’s you know she fool of it.
        but you sound like your country is the United States of America? You are Tigryan a minority ethnic of Ethiopia at that. You know the Ethiopia who gets four Billion dollars every year in Aid. You live, breath and move because of Aid. Yopur budge 87 % of it is subsidized by white people. You can not even eat your launch with out the permeation of your masters. When your masters say jump, your only answer is how high. Now, please make me understand what will be the consequences of inaction on your part? I mean what I am trying to say is you are a beggar; you live by the good will of others; what exactly is the const of inaction?
        Am I missing something? A tigryan talking smack? Lol god have mercy. Take it easy.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Hayat A.,

      Kindly, the points mentioned are out of the potentiality of the Eritrean people. I am saying the potentiality. Eritreans are able people but at the same time the have very deep belief and once this belief is installed, it takes time to erode. Dejen is a good example for this. Dejen believed EPLF/PFDJ as his own government and the one who works on rule of law. Dejen from the first night he got under prison, he never failed to assume he will get justice till 2003 (4 years). This is the Eritrean heart. We believe very deeply and once we trust, it is not easy to deny for what we believe. I agree with you that PFDJ is incapable to change as PFDJ is already dead. But, to say, the opposition group, kindly revise the Eritrean people’s potential. Of course, you might be discouraged for the current opposition groups, and I can agree with you with limitations. But, today, the notion of opposition in the Eritrean politics is changing very fast.

      The change in opposition landscape is at high speed that now people, the whole people realized they have been denied, they have betrayed, they have been deceived. It is hard to oppose in Eritrea where the people are having a mindset like pilot Dejen. It is a known fact that almost 100% accepted and believed EPLF as their own government. If you know Tigrigna, government is translated as Mengisti, “መንግስቲ” and this word has direct association with their belief, መንግስቲ፣ መንግስቲ ማለት ኩሉ ዚከኣሎ፣ ገባሪ ኩሉ፣ ኣብ ኩሉ ዝርከብ፣ ገባሪ ኩሉ አዩ ዘስምዕ። It has a direct association with the word God/Allah. መንግስቲ to Eritreans means the one who has all power, the one who can do all things (unlimited), the one who is present in all.

      This basic default definition of government in Eritrea has lots of complexities. Go to any village ad he will tell you that the mengsti is all, መንግስትና ዝበለና፣ ምስ መንግስቲ ከይተባኡስና፣ ዝባን መንግስቲ. then, to deny the one that considered as omnipresent, omnipotent like that is hard to detach and revolt. based on this, it took as long time to reject totally and look for justice.

      Now, every Eritrean has come-out of this deep belief and understood that PFDJ is not a government, is not capable of everything, is not innocent. And more than that, PFDJ is “DEVIL.” Devil is well-known to Eritreans, they know it and they are able to kill this devil by all means. And based on this, OPPOSITION is now re-organizing. Of course, there were Eritreans who knew this devil from the very beginning, since 1970 and later from 1994, the devil was so large that no Eritrean was capable enough to kill him. but, now, the devil is small and this is because people slowly and slowly came to revolt. Today, 2014, the opposition group has different meaning in the Eritrean politics. therefore, kindly dismiss your inclusion of the opposition as incapable ones.

      Your take regarding the Ethiopian people, I don’t want to talk about this. This is my stand. But, your take is totally wrong. ዝደቀሰ ኣንበሳ ኣይተተንኢ ኢኺ። ጉዳይና በርቲኡና ስለዘሎ ኣይንግደሰልኩምን ኢና። ንባዕልኻትኩም ትፋለጡ። ንሕና ኸኣ ጽቡቕ ጌርና ንፈልጠኩም። ካብዚ ሓሊፈ ዝብሎ የብለይን ነባም ስለዝኾንኪ።

      I want to tell you though, before 1991, Ethiopians were our enemy, now no more enemy for Eritreans. The only and only enemy of Eritreans and Eritrea is PFDJ. Therefore, I don’t waste time to comment on your take. Regarding US or like that, don’t be fooled by PFDJ propaganda. US has its own interest in our region in general, we can;t forget that, but US involvement is not to the level that you are thinking. It is up to us to welcome, reject or live in harmony by keeping our own dignity. Mind you though, we will not prostitute with any external force. But, we are peace lovers as far as anyone respects us. ቆፎ ንህቢ ጥራሕ ኣይተንከፍ። The killer Bee zibehal tifeltyo diki, it is native to Eritrea and we are like that. But if people treat us with respect we give them HONEY, even we don’t save for ourselves. Remember, Eritreans do not take honey, they always give honey. the main problem we have is, we are not able to beg. begging is not our profession.

      You said, “Given that the Eritrean people are overly polarized and armed: I SEE A HEAVY CLOUD OF CIVIL WAR HOVERING AROUND where Eritrea may be one more time bleeding and all bad foreign hands from near and far would be parachuting their agents to the Eritrean land to exploit the chaos for their own interests.” Ok, but take this note, if there is going to happen, then, it is against the people and the PFDJ, not between the individual opposition groups or among people themselves. And it will last short. The reason for this to happen is because, “dictators can only be removed from power by force.” After that, Eritreans will live in harmony. And this kind of civil war is what Saay used to call, “democratic coup.”

      We will have a democratic coup, ok, no civil war. Feel comfort.

      Before, Eritrean freedom fighters experienced civil war and it was purely between two fronts. No people intervened. Now, it is different, it is between the people and the dictatorial regime in Asmara. And if it broke-up, it is the last for dictatorship in this region. One remark, Ethiopians should refrain from any involvement, just for their own advantage.

      Hawki
      tes

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Yodita:
      Now that you are here, I am hoping that Papi will follow suit:-)
      Since Eritreans do not have ways to express their frustrations, lots of things remain bottled up. PFDJ supporters always point to the demonstrations and some violence in Ethiopia to make their point of Ethiopia’s instability. In my mind it is good thing because you can gauge the how tolerant the government is and how it handles conflicts and how it uses the opportunity to refine the system of democratic governance. Freedom of speech and democracy cannot be tested in vacuum, you have to see them exercised, But I digress. You are correct there is no way of gauging with precision the polarized nature of Eritreans, but so is any society under repression, the silent simmering of grievances that dictators encourage more often than not tend to explode when the regime implodes. The façade of united, one heart, one government that the PFDJ and sometimes we in the opposition peddle is delusional. Diversity can be very rewarding and something to be proud of but despots like IA exploit it and amplify the gap intentionally.
      There is no formidable united opposition government in waiting that the Ethiopians can put their weight behind, and their sitting on the fence is understandable. A stable and peaceful Eritrea is in their advantage. If there is power vacuum in Eritrea it can turn out to be safe haven for terrorist from across the sea. The west and Ethiopia most likely intervene to save us from a full blown civil war, but that will derail and protract our yearning for freedom and rule of law. But we have no one to blame except PFDJ/EPLF and their supporters

      Yes the justice lovers like Dejen are there in the midst of the gun totting generals and murderers, they were always there from the beginning, but the thing is the crooks, the creepy as you once aptly called them won and the victor calls the shots. To make matters worse for us the justice loving Eritreans from PFDJ like Dejen never learn from history. It took Dejen 4 years to finally give up on PFDJ. Every movement for justice that IA crushed did not fail because they did not have what it takes, but they never learned from the people who faced the same fate. The threat of civil war is real, but PFDJ is not the one to save us from it, they are the catalysts for it and ironically using our own blood and sweat to lubricate their machinery of intrigue, deception and despotism.

      Sem

    • zerihun

      Dear Hayat Adem

      This is an Ethiopian who keenly follows developments in
      Eritrea. First and for most, all in Eritrea need to work to minimize
      differences and there seems to be some over theorizing at the expense of
      practical actions. I think different groups need to agree to disagree and work
      on what they agree. Just an opinion. The situation as gloomy as it is, is not
      too late. You Eritreans are hard working intelligent people and I believe you can
      make it. Ethiopia once passed through some sort of polarization. Many thought
      we would fall apart. We, however, successfully came through it with flying
      colors. No matter who says what, Ethiopia is very stable now and is one of the
      fastest economies in the world. The huge majority is very content with the
      government. Dear Hayat, I am not stating this to tell you how great we are, but
      to tell you that Eritrea has a very good chance of passing through a similar
      phase as we did here, and a good chance of coming out in flying colors. As careful as you should be and as hard as you
      should work on averting any future tragedy, please have faith in God and in
      your great people. There is a good chance that you will come through any future
      crisis intact. Ethiopia did and so will you. This is not just sheer optimism
      but a good possibility. If only you could have one leader accepted by the
      majority who would sort of hold together oppositions. That you have to work on hard. So brothers and
      sister have faith. Breathe faith. All this will pass and the sun will shine on
      Eritrea again.

      On Ethiopia in Eritrean affairs, honestly, Ethiopia cannot
      get involved and if it does, that will be against our constitution and it will internationally
      be legally labeled as aggression. Eritrea is a sovereign country, irrespective
      of the type of leader it has, without the approval of the UN, Ethiopia cannot
      interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Even if it somehow
      does, it will harm your straggle against your government as your president may
      use this to rally the people around him. Even more, it will widen the ridge
      between the two sister countries, and as it is enough damage has been done and
      more damage cannot be warranted.

      Please note that the majority of Ethiopians wish
      the best for Eritrea and this is very true. No, we don’t want your port, or you
      coming back that is not what it is. We don’t want any of that. Don’t forget we
      are brothers and sisters, intermarried, one has some cherished memory about the
      other and these are very important. We
      pray for you and Eritrea will come through this. You shall triumph and long live Eritrea and
      its people.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Zerihun,
        We need decent people like you to come here often and make their voices heard. Thank you for this wonderful post.

      • Hope

        Dear Zerihun/May God bless you,btw),
        Thanks for your “good will and wish”.
        But,please be so kind to advise Dr Tedros Adhanom to take his hands of Eritrea and Eritreans.
        He is still trying ,desperately though, to strangulate Eritrea and Eritreans.
        Make no mistake,Eritrea and Eritreans have stood firm from day ONE, for the best interest of Ethiopia and for the Unity of Ethiopia to the extent of goning an extra mile of even taking a risk of affecting one group.–for the sake of Ethiopian Unity ;and this NOT fake or wish but a hard core and a well documented FACT.
        On the other hand, your narrow minded leaders,have never stopped day dreaming to destabilize Eritrea
        and in strangulating Eritrea and Eritreans –to this minute–as we speak!!
        But,again,make NO mistake that hsitory will repeat itself….for GOOD!
        Watch—and mark my man.
        I have a dream that both Ethiopians and Eritreans will share the same drink,the same dish–and wipe out both their tears.
        My name Hope and my TID(three time a day ) meals are:
        -Hope
        -Faith
        -Love

      • Yodita

        Hi Zerihun,

        Your post makes a lot of sense and is friendly. There is one very important thing missing: the border problem. I believe IA should hold the dialogue that your government is asking for and ‘walk to Addis’ if need be, for
        the love of his people. This will never happen, it appears. If your government was as disposed as you seem to be for the wellbeing of Eritreans, they could simply ‘shock’ IA by pulling the rug under his feet by withdrawing
        from Badme and giving him the ’straw that broke the camel’s back’. What my two cents reasoning tells me is that your government is fearful of a strong Eritrea and it is in its interest to keep it weak by keeping a no longer loved IA in his throne. But this is as it should be as my mentor Mahmud Saleh would say: it is in Ethiopia’s interest and therefore justified. We have to do ours and not wait for Ethiopia or anybody else to do it for us, as Hayat Adem would have us believe.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Yodita,
          I wish and I hope Ethiopia withdraws from Badme, but I don’t see it as a solution to anything. If Ethiopia withdraws its troops from Badme to Sheraro what strategic difference would that make? Isaias will simply see this is a mockery and try to exploit it. In the event that he sees this as an exit and accepts it however who would have to do what next so that normal life in Eritrea begins? Better yet, what depends on Badme’s outcome, and who else is waiting for it?

          • hope

            Better/well said Fanti(My favorite Kunama name).
            That is true.The badme carte has been a case for something.I doubt it will make a difference either way.PIA knows what he is talking about and hwat he is doing–onlyhim though.
            By proxy,take it or leave it, the EPRDF is using DIA as a tool for destabilizing and destroying Eritrea and we all know that,not only them.
            The EPRDF does NOT want any new Angel but old known devil,period.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello hope,
            I don’t think EPRDF is using Badme to destabilize Eritrea, it is not a strategy that works.
            How does Ethiopia’s presence in Badme destabilizing Eritrea?
            Shouldn’t it be the opposite? Shouldn’t it actually unite Eritreans even more?
            To put it differently, say, Ethiopia pulls out of Badme tomorrow.
            What does Isaias’s next move have to be so that he regains Eritrean’s support?

          • Amde

            I rather see an Ethiopian pull-out an opportunity for Issayas to claim vindication that standing firm worked all along. Just imagine the battalions praising Wedi-Afom for standing up to the Weyane.

            However, considering the capabilities of the two states, Ethiopia holding Badme has trapped Eritrea into an unsustainable arms race. The best option for Issayas is to make a border deal with Ethiopia, however unsavory it may be, and tell Eritreans he had to do what was best for the nation. Close this chapter and move on. Heck i can write the speech for him – he can use the opportunity to praise the steadfastness and courage of the EDF and the many agelgilot in preserving the nation’s territorial integrity etc etc…

            The problem either way is the day after. Demobilization happens in a state whose citizens are PFDJ slave labor and whose economy is party controlled. Who actually knows what PFDJ owns, what the Eritrean state owns, what the state owes the party and what the party owes the state? There is a system of gulag and the machinery that sustains it which is not going to just disappear overnight.

            For lack of a credible alternative,
            a) The US/Israel prefers the status quo of an Issayas dictatorship than a power vacuum in the Horn/Red Sea,
            b) EPRDF prefers the status quo as Issayas/PFDJ is militarily and diplomatically neutralized, but keeps predictable order in Eritrea,
            c) Issayas prefers the status quo for obvious reasons – he gets to run out the clock (maybe five – seven years) without any accounting

            And tragically,
            d) by their inaction or silent acquiescence, most diaspora prefer this status quo for irrational and inexplicable reasons, which I would say are mostly due to Ethiophobic interpretations of events.

            That is what the game is going to be for the next few years. Unless…. Unless there is a credible alternative that can be installed/supported there is no reason for Ethiopia or the US to risk potential state collapse and power vacuum. My bet is that they would rather help him stay on behind the scenes, recognize his own mortality and start grooming a successor they might have a better chance of working with.

            amde

          • haileTG

            Hello Amde,

            It seems you ignored two interested parties out of the list, i.e. the Eritrean people and the PFDJ II. Your five to seven years is hugely generous. I think change, whichever direction it comes, is in the offing. The regime of IA has already entered the final, unsustainable, stages to continue the status quo. To his credit, IA has been exerting drastic measures to change the tide in his favor, but things are not working out like he is imagining them to. The move he has taken to humiliate the UN by disregarding their decisions, his continued chaotic and uncontrolled signals to the outside world, and the facts on the ground are simply too much for him to control all at the same time. He lacks the basic resources, skill and know how to do so. The issue of mother nature and such like eventualities are also things that appreciate in likelihood with longer time. So, I would say the end is much closer than we think.

          • Amde

            Dear Haile,

            The people might be very interested but they are trapped. A PFDJII would be an ideal transition I suppose, so if it does come about that would be welcome news. My feeling is that Issayas is working day and night to ensure there is no such thing – that would be enemy number 2 for him. Enemy number 1 would be a junta. That could potentially deliver Eritrea from both Issayas and PFDJ.

            amde

          • Hope

            Dear Amde,
            I partially agree but one:
            “d) by their inaction or silent acquiescence, most diaspora prefer this status quo for irrational and inexplicable reasons, which I would say are mostly due to Ethiophobic interpretations of events”.
            The major reason/s that the diaspora prefer the “status quo is dual:
            1)Fear of the same reason you and the Powers you mentioned fear–Power vacuum
            2)Lack of any immediate credible successor.
            Tigrigna Classics says:” Kab Zeitifelto mel’Akh,Zeitifelto Seitan yi’hayish”.If you do not undertsand Tigrigna,:”Kem’atawkew mel’Ak,yimitawkew Seitan Yishalal”.There is an equivalent Amharic saying but I forgot it as it has been 25 yrs since I left the GCMS,Gonder,now Gonder University,finally!.
            Both are very reasonable arguements but am not sure about if the EPRDF really fears about power vacuum,as that has been what the EPRDF has been working for,i.e., to create “power vacuum ” so as to interefere and to do its dirty job of dismantling Eritrea.This is the public secret the EPRDF itslef has declared.
            As I mentioned before, which was rediculed by haile “the great”,if history has to be the witness,all the fear might be just wishful fear besides a routine Psycholgical War Fare.
            Do you know about the rumor that there is a standby committee to take over power in the event things go the way you are” predicting” or,to be precise,you all are wishing for?

          • Amde

            Hope,

            I do not believe EPRDF wants to dismantle Eritrea. I think its first choice is to have a friendly and compliant neighbor. That is the wish of any country about its neighbor. And I do not believe that Ethiopians in general (myself included) have a cynical wish to see Eritrea destroyed – most (especially the young) are indifferent which actually is bad news in my opinion. (You may have heard the expression “The opposite of love is not Hate – it is Indifference”). People like me are your friends, because we care enough to follow what is going on and engage in the conversation.

            As to a committee, I am sure something like that probably exists, but knowing Issayas’ narcissistic and paranoid nature, that would be the first committee he will render toothless. It makes supporters think he got things under control though – a comfort blanket for the deluded.

            amde

          • Yodita

            Hello Amde,

            You state that EPRDF wants as its first choice a ‘compliant’ Eritrea. Really? Your choice of words is most telling. Here are synonyms of compliant: acquiescent, obedient, biddable, submissive, yielding, amenable, accommodating.

            It sounds like the wish of a fundamental Taliban of how he wants his wife to be.

            Also, perhaps you should have added an adjective of how EPRDF would want to be towards Eritrea: lordly, authoritarian, paternalistic!! DREAM ON! Thank God there are Ethiopians like Zerihun that believe in equality. Power to their likes on both sides. Compliant? shame!

          • Amde

            Hi Yodita.

            I dont know why you are upset. Every nation would like a compliant neighbor. TPLF was a compliant neighbor of Eritrea between 91 – 98. Eritreans want to sing songs to us about how great that period was.

            Anyway just because they wish it doesnt mean it is going to happen. I was writing in the context of whether EPRDF wants to dismantle/destroy Eritrea and in my opinion I stated they’d rather have a compliant neighbor. You shouls be happy.

            It would be pointless for me to write on this site dishonest platitudinous feel-good posts. I am just telling you how things are from my perspective.

            Amde

          • haileTG

            Selamat Amde and Yodita,

            Yodita is one of my favorite writers here, but on this particular issue of Ethiopia policy, I am not sure if we share identical views. Imagine a husband accuses of his wife for being inviting and flirtatious towards the neighbor. That is huge psychological pressure on the wife, she would avoid any occasions that would bring her near the neighbor, any communication would be made overly simplified and verified to show it doesn’t fall under suspicion and the rest. The problem is however not the neighbor, rather her man. If the neighbor moves out and another one moves in, the same accusatory eyes would still be there. If the wife had the courage, she would need to raise above the small minded man’s discourse and take him to task that unless he matures his butt would get kicked out of the family for good 🙂 The whole of PFDJ relationship with Eritrean justice seekers is based on Ethiopia. All its abusive ways is to prove to defenseless Eritrean populace that one sunny day it would avenge the humiliation that it gets from Ethiopia (like when they twisted and crushed its balls back in march 2012). The best way would have been not permit oneself to live under the shadow of the psychological terrorizing of PFDJ. Dergue use to call us tegenTay wonbede, and Eritreans pretty much felt refreshingly good about it knowing that it was so angry enough to call us names. Today PFDJ is doing the same by calling Eritreans “woyane rats” “pseudo Eritreans” “UnEritrean” and so forth. We don’t deserve that but PFDJ is mad because woyane despises it and there is nothing it can do, except turn to wife beater mentality. Otherwise, Eritreans would love to accommodate every need of Ethiopia, the region and beyond. We want to promote the culture of going the extra mile to make Ethiopia’s and other’s relationship with us worthwhile, rewarding and a blessing to generations of our common and fraternal peoples. PFDJ, that is the highest exporter of dead Eritrean refugees per capita, has no other thing to offer than a stench of hatrade, animosity, division, conflict and human miseries. I think it is within Ethiopians ability to recognize the devil we are dealing with, as Eritreans, and hence allow for some space in this regard 🙂

            Regards

          • Yodita

            Hello Amde,

            I hoped against hope that your would reply saying that your choice of the word ‘compliant’ was not opportune but in vaIn. I nevertheless appreciate the tone of your post and am not suprised at your difficulty to admit to the point I made.

            Russia wants a compliant Ukraine, the US wants a complaint globe and Ethiopia wants a complaint Eritrea – big fish eat little fish sort of thing. You are telling me from your perspective that submission is what your first choice would be as a neighbour of Eritrea but I am telling you that there is a much better way for all concerned, i.e. marching together to defeat hunger and ignorance on EQUAL FOOTING with all those who want a fairer world.

          • Amde

            Dear Yodita,

            I actually like you very much. The gap between us is that you are an endearingly hopeless romantic, and I am a cynical bastard lol.

            Just the fact that you were hoping I would say something diplomatic is touching and I appreciate you for it.

            As a cynic, I think God is on vacation somewhere he doesn’t have to deal with our whinings, but I will try to pick up a little of your grace and say to you God bless you for thinking and expecting the best of people and nations. May we all live up to them.

            amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,
            This is too much puzzle. Besides the international channels we have been
            hearing about in public, Haile Mariam, a few weeks ago on ETV, said
            something like; Ethiopia has been sending religious leaders and country elders in private
            to Asmara to ask Isaias for talks. Others are also still trying in private, but Isaias is not budging.

            I blame Isaias for not accepting it, but I am blaming Ethiopian Government equally for not
            offering to get out of Badme and proceed with the demarcation process. This brings me back to your understanding of their reasoning that the status quo is working for both of them, so, why change
            it. But are we really that small? Regardless of rights and wrongs can’t we see
            a little farther ahead and bend the rigid rules of politics to save our people?

            Sometimes we talk about had Atse Yohannes done this had Atse
            Minilik done that and so on, and I can’t help it to imagine how sad our
            offspring will be to read history books about how their ancestor’s liver was
            sold in the Arabian desert because a couple of leaders in the region were too
            stubborn to cooperate. Although I don’t see it as a solution for the current
            crisis in Eritrea, I would like to go on record saying this:
            Ethiopia must pull out of Badme, and demarcate the border, period.

          • Amde

            Fanti,

            What I cannot see is how Ethiopia pulling out of Badme is going to stop Eritreans leaving the country nor change how PFDJ treats Eritreans. The assumption is that would be grounds for demobilization and the end of agelgilot, which then would cascade into popular unrest that would drive PFDJ from power. That is not necessarily a guaranteed outcome. The border is a meaningless sideshow.

            You may have read this expression ““great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly
            jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” This was written to describe Goldman Sachs, but in the context of not just Eritrea but Eastern Africa, it is very true of the PFDJ. Unlike Goldman Sachs, which has to operate within the law, PFDJ makes and breaks the rules as it sees fit. This is the number one problem of Eritreans, not the border.

            Besides, why would EPRDF and specifically TPLF take a politically suicidal action for people who won’t thank or appreciate it. Remember TPLF invested a huge amount of treasury, political capital and blood for the sake of Eritrea and yet from most Eritreans today it is common to hear “Weyane our mortal enemy”. How long is TPLF going to be stupid about its Eritrea policy?

            Ethiopia is damned if it does and damned if it does not – just your note about Ethiopia pleading with Isayyas through emmissaries tells you Ethiopia is doing what it can short of sponsoring an armed opposition. And the minute it does that, all the posters on this very forum who run out of words telling us how bad Issayas is will go overboard vilifying Ethiopia. I understand what you are saying about our historical responsibility re “Liver sold in the Sahara” – but how do you help someone who clearly needs it but lets you know in a thousand different ways that if you help him you will regret it forever?

            amde

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Amde
            1. “Ethiopia is damned if it does and damned if it does not – just your note about Ethiopia pleading with Isayyas through emmissaries tells you Ethiopia is doing what it can short of sponsoring an armed opposition.”
            Really? It’s not spomsoring armed opposition? Some times you surprise me Amde
            2. On the withdrawal issue: So you feel OK of your government not honoring its signiture?
            Yes, it does not want to withdraw because it is ” p[olitically suicidal.” It’s true. Badme is the flash point the mother of the conflict which cost tens of thousands; there are oppositions who are happy that happen. ” Look, they caused all this human and material loss just to hand it over to Shabia.” I can see Kinjit, Arena and the likes dancing to the tune of Enat Agher. That’s politics. But what is the way forward, Amde? Why does Ethiopia accuses the Eritrean government of pursuing the law of the jungle or label it as the “pariah” or the “rogue?” If Ethiopia is refusing to abide by the rule, if Ethiopia is arming groups that seek regime change by force just like what Eritrea is accused of doing, then what should good citizens like both of us do?
            3. True TPLF unlike EPRP cause of Eritrea, but a sizable part of TPLF leadership that had supported our independence are demanding a piece of it back; they are campaigning on this agenda very loudly. Representative of TPLF but the sentikents are there. Another fact is this: the fate of Eritrea’s independence was sealed militarily; I said enough of how I see the cooperation of both sides till May, 1991. EPRDF did the right thing then by agreeing on referendum; it made the international recognition of the defacto independence faster. Last minute refusal
            a/ would continue the war
            b/ was not feasible do you to the change of world awareness, both super powers and other important countries which had leverage on Ethiopia had already accepted the reality
            c/ For its credit TPLF had been consistent on this issue, despite its rocky relationship with Eritrean organizations; it won despite that principle.
            Badme of course is another issue, we will wait until a leader with formidable clout comes in Ethiopia or Eritrean leaders get maneuvered around this thorny issue. What I sense is that’s not the end of it. Whe know why Ethiopians want to talk; I wish if they talked before many lives were lost. They could have talked after they captured Badme.

          • Amde

            Hi Mahmud,

            It seems to me you are forgetting we are now neighbors. Neighbors. Not geographically detached entities that do not meet in space, which would give everyone the luxury of not having to see each other. Being neighbors is not always sunshine and light, nor is it always darkness and despair. I thank you for the example you gave of your Ethiopian neighbor. But I am sure you know that you could have just as easily found yourself next door to a neighbor from hell.

            The Badme issue is a border issue – which is just one of a gazillion border issues throughout the world. By definition, neighbors have borders and depending on a whole lot of objective and subjective factors with their relationship, there can be “border issues”. I never heard of Badme before 1998, and as far as I am concerned I don’t care where it ends up. Absent a series of agreements, I do not believe either Ethiopia or Eritrea will stop supporting each other’s political oppositions whether the border is marked or not. Whether they should or not is another story altogether. The border is completely immaterial.

            I just think it is rather disingeuous that a government that is not above raising funds by selling the flesh of its own citizens wants to lecture everybody about the rule of law.

            In my opinion, EPRDF committed a series of blunders on this whole Badme issue from day one, and it has proven to be the wonderful gift that keeps on giving humiliation to EPRDF to this very day. So now we are reading that they are sending emmissaries to Issayas to beg him !!!! Come on!!!

            If you ask me, this is a case of be careful what you wish for. If Ethiopia signs an agreement with Isayyas, there will be an implicit support of his PFDJ system’s continuation in power. If you think the only thing wrong about Eritrean society right now is that there is no demarcated border, then that is wonderful news. If, however, you think there something seriously wrong with the way Eritrean society is run, then I do not believe that is a good option.

            Expecting Ethiopia to just abide by the border decision is pure fantasy. Leaving aside the broader Ethiopian interests to “chauvinists” like me, I ask again, why should TPLF bleed for you yet again while you are calling it names? (I don’t mean you Mahmud but “you” as Eritreans that are always calling on Ethiopia to abide by EEBC decision) Because it is Tigrayan lands that are going to be lost, and peope that have always known themselves to be nothing but Tigrayans who will be asked to lose their land or change their nationality. What is in TPLF’s interest right now honestly to just pick up and leave? Because I am not seeing it, and believe me I am not a fan of TPLF.

            And I cannot believe you wrote “Whe know why Ethiopians want to talk; I wish if they talked before many
            lives were lost. They could have talked after they captured Badme.”

            amde

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Amde,
            You are officially discharged from the” chauvinist” category unless you relapse.
            My main thrust was the talk that Ethiopia doesn’t stage armed rebellion against Eritrea; that’s the base of my reply to zerihun too. I agree with you on how things stand and the expected trajectory. My point is: since it has not honored its commitment and its continuous support of insurgencies against Eritrea, Ethiopian government is among the last ones to talk about the rule of law. At any rate I’m commenting as a private citizen, not related to the “flesh selling”government. I won’t defend PFDJ. With the current governments in power, I can see your argument, that the border issue is not going to make any progress. That’s the unjust reality.

          • Hope

            Fanti,
            I think you misread me.Please read me again.I exactly said what you wanted me to say about Badme.What I said is that the EPRDF is using DIA,NOT Badme,by proxy to destroy is eritrtea,which is more than true as the EPRDF could easily depose DIA if they thought that he was/is a threat to them but they rather know it is a BIG Threat to Eritrea—–Whatthey have to do is sit back and relax and let DIA do th ejob for them—butmake sure he does not move to the right or left by tighteningthe sanction–a walking dead leader.
            Dr Tedros Adhanom was panicking about Forto-1 incident and called for an emergency congrees meeting about the wedi Ali’s Incident, as that incident seems that it was out side of their plan.
            The name wedi Ali even might have scared them as they know what the Deki Semhar,Deki Keren and deki Barka can do—

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hope,
            I think I understand you, but my question still is “why is that strategy working?”
            Why can’t Eritreans get rid of this one man who is destroying Eritrea and get back to work?

          • hope

            Dear Fanti,
            That is a multi-billion question that I have been asking for yrs now.I will ask the debators to respond to your query.
            One major reason that I was told is that the 45 yrs old experince of DIA about organizational security as the ex-USA Amb said it in the wikileaks.
            Moreover, if you believe in Cultism or devil’s power,they said that he believes in and adores the Devil.
            It is beyond complex imagination and even beyond human mind’s reach,if I have to exaggerate it.
            Good luck with figuring it out.

        • zerihun

          Yodita
          I am simply a regular Joe and no decision maker or a politician here. I don’t represent my government. My views are, however, shared by millions of Ethiopians, (and this may surprise you but it is true). Again my opinion is that of a regular Joe. No offense, PIA and his protégé are still our “enemy” and it is rather difficult to have a “surgical strike” kind of thing here where Ethiopia can keep PIA at bay without affecting the people at large. You know how “dirty” politics is. Fanti, thank you for the complement. I think the decency should come from both sides and all of us should discourage those who behave and act otherwise. Love is good and constructive. The boarder thing, I totally understand your position and I believe it will be solved, it is just a matter of time and the right environment. I know how important that is if not territory wise in terms of pride and sovereignty.
          All the best.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Zerihun: I also read replies to you by Yodita (Welcome back Yodita and thanks for the nice words, members know your stature here; so I could not be your mentor), in addition to My good ciber friends Fanti and Hope;

            I admire, Zerihun, your cordiality and modesty. You and Fanti and many others represent the people of Ethiopia’s attitude. I learned the good face of Ethiopians during my short stay in Addis in the mid 90s, and then here in diaspora. I met co-workers who literally cried during the Lampedusa incident. I heard also stories of how ordinary Ethiopians did their best to help out Eritreans when they were unexpectedly rounded for expulsion and in their way to the border. I live next to an Ethiopian family, we coordinate our kids activities; our kids have no clue what and Ethiopian or Eritrean means or its complicated history; they are best friends. My friend Balachew always asks me how family is back home and whenever he hears bad news he asks me with a forlorn look. He cares about Eritreans, about the people. I am fine now. I have made peace with Ethiopian people. The problem has always been with the ruling elite. The last war as unnecessary as it was has served as a deterent factor so far. Both countries saw the distruction and unless provoked by the other, neither is going to go for it for the change of regime. Ethiopians have learned that it’s less costly to compete for power through the ballot and I wish them the best in their next election. Ethiopians also proved that their previous anxiety that they would be choked to death without Eritrean ports was wrong. These developments are positive for changing public opinions regarding issues they consider existential. It will contribute positively for both countries’ peaceful co-existence. Having said that, I do not buy your assertion that the Ethiopian government is not working to distabilize Eritrea. I do not have a problem hosting Eritrean political opposition organizations in Ethiopia; but while complaining of Eritreas distabilizing role in the region, Ethiopia has been actively training, arming and sponsoring acts of armed rebelion against Eritrea. Armed Organizations that make their base Ethiopian soil cross border in to Eritrea to carry out raids; they routinely dessiminate this information, the last one being that of the Red Sea Afar; hence, I can not believe you are not aware of it. Ethiopian heavy handed interference on those organizations has practically made them irrelevant to Eritreans, because they see them as an extension of Ethiopian interference; that’s why they are suffering from anemic existence. I do not support my government’s interference in other countries internal issues, including Ethiopia. I do not certainly support Eritrea’s hosting of demhit and other rebel groups in my country. I expect you to raise the fact that Ethiopia has activelybeen working to distabilize Eritrea for the past 14 years; it’s only Eritreans shunning of armed conflict that has rendered it useless. The opposite is also true. Eritrea tried; and if it was not for the people of Tigray and other parts of Ethiopia population unwillingness to rally around Demhit, the regime in Asmara would love to bring Ethiopia to its knees through armed rebelion. You said, ” Even if it somehow does, it will harm your straggle against your government as your president may
            use this to rally the people around him.” But that’s exactly what Ethiopia has been doing exacting the effect you mentioned; the border issue being another rallying cry for the regime. Today both peoples are exhausted of war; good effect albeit too late. I know you don’t represent the government of Ethiopia, however, it is important your opinion gets balanced. The majority of Eritreans seperate their fight with PFDJ from other core national issues. Peoples on both sides of the border should continue communicating; we don’t know what future holds; for our generation, though, if we can lay the foundation of good neighborliness, I think we have contributed greatly to the fate of future generations.

        • Hope

          Yodita,
          Again,well said and welcome back.

    • Hope

      Let me try it one more.
      Hayat et al–haile the G included–
      Let us leave aside the Cyber-Psycoholgical Warfare against Eritrea and Eritreans.
      Everything is possible in this unstable world but if History is the witness,based on the Eritrean History,none of what you mentioned or even dreaming about Eritrea will not happen.
      The worst case scenario coul;d be Forto-2,whihc seems to be inevitable despite that the PFDJ gang led by Gen Philipos has started a full swing war on decimation of the possible potentials and suspects for possible Forto-2.
      Out of topic Zena:
      FYI,Adoulis just reported that Gen Tecle Manjus along with other 30.PFDJ members of the Military Wing have been arrested….based on alleged excuses of Human Trafficking and Dejen’s escape,after successfuly getting rid of Gen Wuchu(Philipos’ enemy #1),Gen Vanyak , Gen Hanjema, and Gen Tewil directly or indirectly.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Hope:
        Thanks. This is would have been good news, but the director of Tecle Manjus has been arrested along other 30 with varying ranks and not Tecle Manjus himself.I think they have outlived their use

        • Hope

          THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION.Did I misread it or they “lied”?

      • haileTG

        Hope

        We say there might be civil war and you say “go to hell people, no way your wishes would happen”, we didn’t say “we wished it”, yet that wouldn’t matter, because the idea freaks you out so much, you wouldn’t be able to keep rational head. There isn’t much I could do for you, except point out to you that your brain and their chemicals are acting in exactly the manner they were “learned” to act.

        Do you know that many people in our cultures (including Ethiopians) they hold fund raising during funerals to send bodies home, cover funeral expenses and related costs? More importantly, do you know why that is? Yep, you know it, despite death being a certain eventuality, they never prepare for it. There are insurance policies that cost less than $1 per week that would cover a family with all costs in the event of death. Most of our people can’t really be not freaked enough to rationally organize how everything would be taken care of in the event of their own death, their partner’s death, their child’s death and whomsoever they share their lives with death. Most can’t. Simply because they get freaked out by the thought of the death of their beloved child that they would never plan for that eventuality.

        It is pity that you went as far as accusing us of “wishing civil war”. That is simply a measure of disrespect with which you interact with your people. Nothing we can do about it. A curse is a curse. But as far as the diagnosis of your condition is concerned, there you have it, you just don’t have the balls to contemplate the theoretical possibility and debate what would be like.

        Our nation is going through precarious situation, far worse things are happening and to put all possibilities up for a debate shows the your mettle rather than what a delusional debater thinks of you.

        • Hope

          Had the debate been an honest and realistic one,I would have accepted humbly your keidi-alba mantra and belittling.
          But what in reality I read here is NOT what we would like to read.
          Look at what the Ethiopians/Tigreyans mostly and some Pseudo-Eritreans are preaching us.And I am responding to that kind of Psycholgical Ware Fare.
          No need to lecture an Eritrean,not only who majors in Eritrean History,but who has lived it and stop your keidi-albo mantra and esquinis style language.
          Am not sure why the AT is allowing you to act like that but banning few Eritreans who challenge the forum and its memebrs/contributors reasonably.
          It looks like the George W Bush style of ruling the world by saying:” Either you are with us or with them”.But do NOT forget that it was George W.Bush ,who messed up the USA and its economy/the world economy.
          I thought there are only two “Doctors” here,Dr Saba and Dr Psychic Ermias.My apology that I did not know that you have been the hidden psychiatrist to diagnose us like this and that.
          Kudos and congra to you,haile the “great”,eventhough am not sure how the AT gave you that title.

          • haileTG

            Hope

            Thank you for allowing me to tie up some loose ends with you.

            Your views are no different than anybody’s here. I am rarely the one to address issues of persona around here, unless and only when someone repeatedly crosses the red lines in talking to me.

            – In all honesty, I find you childish and arrogant, flip flop, continually trying to fit in a shoe far bigger than your size. Have decency for a change. If you have nothing to say, it is not a crime to just read and continue reading until you have a value to add or a debate to trigger.

            – You said “some pseudo Eritreans”. How dare you? Who are you anyway? A blue eyed Eritrean? Do you have racial, ethnic or religious problems that makes you feel that you are more Eritrean than others? What right have you got to dig up someone’s ancestors and call people “pseudo Eritrean”? You think you deserve peace, freedom, democracy with that kind of savage mentality? Respect the integrity of people, don’t lower your own stature by appearing to be as cheap as someone who always reaches to so low.

            – You keep saying “we all know that” such and such or this and that is “public knowledge”. Don’t you feel ashamed to go over other peoples head and tell them you know what they are thinking and appreciating? Why don’t you speak for your self and yourself alone. Do you think yourself to be so small and insignificant that you have to get really tacky by appearing to represent those you don’t.

            – You claim our problems are externally instigated. If you believe that, it makes you dishonorable and immoral to oppose the regime. Why do you have moan and groan about what happens in Eritrea and flips over and say “tfelto seyTan”. Well that is dishonorable flip flop. You either support the regime with honor and integrity or oppose it with honor and integrity. Trying to chew with both sides of your mouth simply shows duplicity.

            – Again, your arrogance appears just a second nature to you when you actually try to judge how and why the AT do what they do and how they do it. Who are you to do that Mr motor mouth? Why don’t you run your website and do your magic trick there? You love to judge, lecture, pretend and flip flop. Why don’t you get to business, read what is written, try to understand and humbly interject and contribute your part. Do you think a narrow minded, with a serious problem in recognizing the individuals’ integrity of person is needed to decide how this great website is run? nahh…the higher a monkey climbs, the more of its backside shows…reign in yourself.

          • hope

            Will get back to you but still waiting for more plunder and insults—keep going ,I am listening.
            Good luck and God bless you(it is a good wish even if it comes from the “devils like me”–to use your own labeling/name callig”.

          • hope

            Dear Haile TG:
            Thank you for the feed back.Well taken until it goes through the screening criteria;and I will deeply contemplate on them and if Hope is really what you are saying,rest assured that Hope will be another Hope.
            Disclaimer:
            My apology to those who might read me(Mr Hailat TG Included) as Mr.Haile TG read me and if offended.But rest assured that,I did NOT have any intention of doing so.
            Hailat, let me respond briefly to your allegations.
            Before that though,here is what I felt in my opinion based on your response.
            -Over-reaction
            _Defensiveness
            -Paranoia
            -Misunderstanding
            -Misperception
            -Resentment
            -Miscommunication
            -Un-necessary Retaliation
            You calimed:
            1) “I find you childish and arrogant, flip flop, continually trying to fit in a shoe far bigger than your size. Have decency for a change. If you have nothing to say, it is not a crime to just read and continue reading until you have a value to add or a debate to trigger”.
            Response;
            -The AT Policy does not preclude Childish people,who want to learn more
            -Having a balanced stand and calling a spade ,a spade and protesting against when needed ,giving credit when someone deserves it and having a different view or opinion is NOT Flip-flopping.It is a Principle
            -2) You said “some pseudo Eritreans”. How dare you? Who are you anyway? A blue eyed Eritrean? Do you have racial, ethnic or religious problems that makes you feel that you are more Eritrean than others? What right have you got to dig up someone’s ancestors and call people “pseudo Eritrean”? You think you deserve peace, freedom, democracy with that kind of savage mentality? Respect the integrity of people, don’t lower your own stature by appearing to be as cheap as someone who always reaches to so low.”
            Response:
            -Do NOT read unwritten things.
            There are two types of Pseudo-Eritreans:
            a)Non-Eritreans by any criterion but “act like” Eritreans for a certain goal
            b)Eritreans by all criteria but acting against the Interest of Eritrea;again for a certain secondary goal.We have both types here in this forum and I have reacted to both and threw my opinion,which I am entitled to.
            I see some sort of Paranoia and defensiveness/Over-reaction here.Just be yourself.

            3)You keep saying “we all know that” such and such or this and that is “public knowledge”. Don’t you feel ashamed to go over other peoples head and tell them you know what they are thinking and appreciating? Why don’t you speak for your self and yourself alone. Do you think yourself to be so small and insignificant that you have to get really tacky by appearing to represent those you don’t”.
            Response:
            -Yes,it is my opinion that there is no need of exaggerating and duplicating things we already know as it does not help other than–wasting time.It is my opinion that we should focus on solution -oriented debate rather than regurgitating things.
            4) “You claim our problems are externally instigated. If you believe that, it makes you dishonorable and immoral to oppose the regime. Why do you have moan and groan about what happens in Eritrea and flips over and say “tfelto seyTan”. Well that is dishonorable flip flop. You either support the regime with honor and integrity or oppose it with honor and integrity. Trying to chew with both sides of your mouth simply shows duplicity”.
            Response:
            -You cannot ignore hard core facts about the external interference for the sake of your convenience.It is a-60-yr-old history until this minute,Swallow the bitter TRUTH but TRUTH!

            -5) “Again, your arrogance appears just a second nature to you when you actually try to judge how and why the AT do what they do and how they do it. Who are you to do that Mr motor mouth? Why don’t you run your website and do your magic trick there? You love to judge, lecture, pretend and flip flop. Why don’t you get to business, read what is written, try to understand and humbly interject and contribute your part. Do you think a narrow minded, with a serious problem in recognizing the individuals’ integrity of person is needed to decide how this great website is run? nahh…the higher a monkey climbs, the more of its backside shows…reign in yourself”.
            Response:
            -Nice joke.I am entitled to express my opinion about how the AT does and does not do its business.I do my best to call a spade,a spade.I do NOT judge but express my opinion.
            Breaking News/FYI,I own the AT and its website.Details will follow if needed.
            Why am I here then? Just to buy your cheap propaganda only?Heavens NO,that won’t happen.I am Eritrean–tihim zibele yitahgom–sheitan kebdu yinefah ghiddi.
            Interestingly though:
            All these characters are yours but yours,the Champion of ARROGANCE,indeed.
            Weyo neti natensi ni enda hamten!!Eti kem’u zighebir,kim’u yineghir—is what it sounds like.
            All th best and God bless and thank you for your feed back!!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat (haile-TG)

          The best way for the “empty hand boasters” is to leave them alone. They don’t represent the humble and down to earth most Eritreans. Much of boasting stems from low self worth and insecurity to show the world how good they are. They don’t realize how they sound to others. Araya and Hope are aberrations of the true Eritrean character and morality.

          Senay MeAlti,

          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Dear Wed Memhir; and Hailat to some extent,until I respond to your keid-albo plunder and arrogance,
            With all due respect,we are all entitled to our opinions,no matter what and irrespective of our stand and belief.but you are NOT entitled to label us/me ,as I speak for my self,lik ethis and that.That iis what we call” Arrogance and Disrepect”.
            I stand FIRM on my position and calling a spade,a spade when needed , rejecting it when needed,giving credit where it belongs as needed is NOT flip-flopping or confusion.it is a matter of principle.
            PFDJ is NOT equivalent to Eritrea and since I “hate” PFDJ,I should not put the National Security and Interest of Eritrea at risk under any condition,any where and any time.
            Everything is relative in this world.As Semere Tesfay eloquently argued,irrespective what and no matter what,PFDJ is the Governemnt of Eritrea recognized by 180 plus Nations and it has done something thus far and survived all th evils,conspiracies,sanctions,all ODDS,etc…,irrespective of its weakness,”crimes”,etc–has kept Eritrea intact thus far.
            And until a better ” System”,Institution”,”Party” takes over,while fighting for Justice,as you are doing,I will SUPPORT the GoE from National Security point of view when needed and I will give due respect and credit when it deserves it.That is NOT flip -flopping but a simple and basic Nationalism.
            Case in point ,what pushed me to reject your metaphysical ideology and arguement, at least partially, is what you have said to this minute,not just your recent history.
            We do NOT need metaphysical lectures about Systems or Institutions but practical and realistic solution- oriented arguements and debate.This is my opinion ,which I am entitled to.
            But on the same token while i respect your opinon,I have NO obligation what-so-ever to buy your ideology or arguemt,unless I am convinced that it will good for the BEST Interest of eritrea.
            Emma, just ignore us,as simple as that.BUT,you are NOT entitled to call names and give us some weird Dx,other wise we can you worse Diagnosis as well if needed,which I am not interested.
            I will welcome any brotherly and constructive feedback but NOTname callings and insults.Keep those to yourselves.We might be all “Catholics” but one CANNOt be more Catholic than the Pope.

      • Hope

        Not to mention the demotion of the Full Gen Sibhat Efrem to the Minstry of Mining—good for him as that could save his life andwill let him live in Peace.
        Aye ezza adi zeihalfela..

      • Ermias

        Hope, do they have an English version on Adoulis?

        • Hope

          No but google translation

    • Dear Hayat Adem,

      Civil war is a possibility but not inevitable.

      Eritrea has become a highly militarized police state and the regime dominates completely the political landscape, and the possibility of dissent is minimal.

      The absence of an organized and armed opposition within the country or in the neighboring countries, which could act as a formidable force that would put the regime’s power in danger, makes violent power change less likely.

      Unorganized armed civilians are not able to decide whom to support and whom to fight, and they would rather care to protect their families and properties, rather than commit themselves in times of political upheaval.

      Unlike Ethiopia, Eritrea is a small country with a small land surface, and it is not difficult to control the country by an organized regime. In addition, neighboring countries are not available to support insurgencies. Even Ethiopia is half-hearted to help, let alone involve herself in an Eritrean affair that would force her to commit herself militarily, and very few Ethiopians would support it.

      Eritreans and especially those within the country have been brainwashed to believe that Ethiopia is responsible for their predicament and not the regime, and there is a possibility that they might stand with the regime rather than face it.

      Ethnic and religious grievances do exist, and they play some role in the Eritrean politics, but they do not seem significant factors, at least for the time being, to alienate Eritreans and lead them to a civil war.

      Finally, of course, nobody can exclude the possibility of a civil war, especially if social, economic meltdowns ensue due to exodus of the young productive member of the society, the continued domination of the economy by the pdfj makes the society even more destitute than it is today, and the injustice becomes much more than they can continue to bear. In addition, groups in the armed forces might turn against each other due to power struggle, as the result of a sudden demise of the dictator.

    • Araya

      Which country is “HEAVY CLOUD OF CIVIL WAR HOVERING AROUND”

      Is it Ethiopia or Eritrea? I don’t think the Ethiopians exactly know what is going on in their country?
      Hayat I suggest you play with your 70 opus, 7 years old sis than wishful thinking of civil war in Eritrea.
      I wish you know what the rest of the Ethiopians think of you; the Tigryans. Your head is on chopping block waiting for opportune time. And you are talking about civil war in Eritrea? pray you will survive the next election.

      • Hope

        We call it a defensive mechanism or to some extent,”Transference” inPsychology 101.or “We neti natensi ni-enda hamaten”,in Tigrigna Classics.
        it just confirms how much evilk mind they have as nittric th eAcetto said it.
        May God have Mercy on them

  • Kaddis

    Dejen actually served 18.75 years sentence. Do you know why? Clue? It’s a Tigrigna word.

  • Nitricc

    I was reading an article with the picture that showed the Ethiopian FM begging an UN official for tighter sanction against Eritrea. After I finished reading I felt two things anger and ecstatic.
    Anger; why are the Tigryans after us? How do you beg for reconciliation and dialog while begging your masters to harm more the same people and nation you are trying to burry the hatchet? It shows their deceptive positions.
    Read it for your self.
    “””“Ethiopia: Tedros meets UN Chef de Cabinet for Regional Protection force Plan፡
    The Ethiopian Foreign Minister Dr.Tedros held discussions in Algiers with Susan Malcorra, the Chef de Cabinet of the UN Secretary-General. Their discussion focused on regional peace and security. … He also briefed Ms. Malcorra on Eritrea’s continued efforts to destabilize the region, even involving itself in the South Sudan conflict. The Ethiopian Foreign Minister stressed there was no sign that it had genuinely changed its behavior.. The Ethiopian Foreign Minister Dr. Tedros said the sanctions’ regime needed to be implemented seriously in order to persuade the regime to genuinely change its behavior. He pointed out that Ethiopia had accepted the Border Commission’s decisions despite its faults and announced its readiness to implement these in a manner to bring lasting peace and normalization of relations long ago. Dr. Tedros repeated that Ethiopia was fully ready to solve any problems with Eritrea, but for this dialogue was paramount. Ethiopia had made clear its readiness to have such a dialogue at any time, place and at any level.
    The Ethiopian Foreign Minister Dr. Tedros asked the UN to check the behavior of the Eritrean regime properly and take the necessary measure to restrain its destabilizing activities. Susan Malcorra said she appreciated Ethiopia’s stance and promised the UN’s support for peaceful resolution of the issue. She also said she would put forward Ethiopia’s concerns regarding the behavior of the Eritrean regime to the Secretary-General….””””””
    He wants normalization and reconciliation and at the same time he wanted the sanction to be tightened up?
    Observe; The FM does not even look at the his master’s eye. You know like a slave is not allowed to do so.
    Next I will tell you why i felt ecstatic.
    http://cdn.geeskaafrika.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Tedros_UN2014-690×350.jpg?cbae59

    • Justice Seeker

      Why are your the disgusting criminals shuttling to Russia. I am sure they will not produce anything, but they have desperate and they will do anything to prolong their court date.

      • Hope

        To seek justice for sure as a Veto Power,which Eritrea should have done earlier.
        Can u change your nick to “Manipulator” rather?

        • Justice Seeker

          Justice Seeker,
          I really don’t you why are advising me to change my nickname to “manipulator”. I was reacting to Nitricc’s comment on the ethipian foreign minister. He said the foreign minister is talking about tightening the sanction on Eritrea. Isn’t the dictatorial regime in our nation working to get the sanction lifted? Let’s be honest here, the ethiopian government does not want DIA’s regime getting armed by looking the other way while the Eritrean sanction getting lifted? Isn’t the sanction because of the behavior of irresponsible regime behaving like a mafia or a non-state actor?? Let’s put the blame where it fits, Hope? I for one don’t want the sanction lifted now because the dictator will never hesitate from igniting another war with whichever neighbor country. We don’t want to shade more blood again!!

          • hope

            Mr Justice Seeker,
            “Is that what your master PMMZ(RIP) told you or his advisor Jendayi Frazer told you?
            If you do NOT want to shed blood again,then abide by the International Law/the Rule of Law,rather than the Rule of Jungle.
            It is your junta,the TPLF gang, who is working hard day and night to tighten the sanctions and trying to starngulate Eritrea.
            Rest assured that we will visit the devil of the devils and make it our BFF,if needed for our survivial.
            Your ethiopia is getting every help, all arms,every dollar while Eritrea is being sanctioned to death,to the extent of even not transferring meagre income from the diaspora,let alone to buy spare parts for its Air Force and tanks…Are you kidding me?
            You seem to be panicking,huh..!! Hope you are not going to commit a suicide if theRussiana take over Aseb Port and develop a big naval base and protect Eritrea and its Space with the latest Air Defense System,besides equipping Eritrea with T-90 Tanks and medium range missiles besides su-35,not just Mig 29 and Su-27.
            Did u read about the Russian-Egyptian Agreement?Did you read about the visit by the Russian Foreign Minister to 4 S American Countires?
            If President Putin offers $2-$5 biilion to compensate Eritrea for the 20yrs of devastation the old Soviet incurred upon Eritrea,like the Italians offered Libya,will you be surprised?
            Russia wil do any thing to come to the Red Sea,as this part of the world is the most strategic area and the CIAs will scratch their heads and curse the day they listend to PMMZ NOT to have a base in the Eritrean Red Sea,like what they did in the case of Egypt as the Russian Naval Force has already secured a base in Alexandria besides protecting Egypt with the latest Air Defense System and Medium Range Missiles…..
            The dumb and the Pychotic Mu’ammer kezaffi/Ghedaffi,could have saved himself and Libya as well as Afirca, if he expedited the $5 billion agreement he signed with the Russians besides tightening the friendship with China-and he also could have gotten the $5 billion the Italians offerred him.
            BTW,Mr Ghedaffi developed an African Bank with an initial deposit of $50 Billion so that all the needy AfricanNation can borrow money with no/ or minimum interest as comapred to the World Bank and the IMF,hence,the reason the West rushed to destroy him;not to mention,the more than $1 billion worth of Continental Communications Satelite Installation that Ghedaffi did.This made the French mad as they started losing $500 miilion annual income as France was the one ,which was selling that Satelite to Africa.You see how neo-colnialism is working now.
            Now,DIA is even so late about this and hope he will make it before the CIA hits him hard.
            Mind you,DIA does NOT even need teh Russian Compensation but protection of teh Potash Mining as only a fraction of the potash revenue will take care of the $2 Billion worth of T-90 and the Su-35 and the Air Defense System and the Medium Range guided Missiles that can reach Addis and Mekelle in few seconds,in the event the Weynaes try to do something to us.
            FYI,that has been the whole reason and the panic the weyanes have been going through,i.e., to avoid all these possible case scenarios.

          • Justice Seeker

            Hope,
            I can see you are a confused person. I now know that it has become a fusion by the DIA supporters to act like they are against the regime. They tell you stories you want to hear because deep inside they know the murderous regime has been eroded and it will collapse in the near future. So, you guys are switching sides.
            Talking about Russia overtaking Assab?? So, how is that to help the poor Eritrean people? Is that supposed to prolong the dictator’s life in power? Yes, Russia would never question anything the dictator does? He can destroy the entire Eritrean people, Russia would just would look the other way exactly like they are doing in Syria and other places? Obviously, the dictator is begging Russia to save him. I advise the Ethiopian government to normalize their relationship with Russia and further isolate the desperate dictator. Currently, Sudan is the only country that seems to sympathize with dictator Isaias. I am sure the Russians know better ……

          • Hope

            You got the message though–no worries about the messenger….Capito ya-XXXXXXX wahid?

  • DZ

    Thank you for your review of the statement and acknowledgement of the correction. Unfortunately, we are unable to accept your correction until Professor Intati’e [a.k.a, Tesfabirhan (Tes) WR] from the Department of Aerospace Engineering proofs it. Professor Intati’s uses some of the most complex physics formulae (found on wikipedia of course) and the overall work requires a rigorous calculations so it may be a while before we get his confirmation.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear DZ,

      Thank you for my recognition (whether Intati’e or not does not matter) and I have already approved it. In my calculation, I used 84 km (which is between 80-90 km). To teach engineering course is also sometimes needed to simplify things when people try to complicate and politicize things.

      Whether 90 or below, the main theme was to tell how near was to use aircrafts (From Dejen’s perspective) and I think AT put it in this way of understanding.

      Thank you AT for your error correction. This shows how much wisely and timely action you take.

      DZ, get now into your comfort zone.

      Hawka
      tes

      • DZ

        Mr. [XXXXXX] Tesfatselmat (Tes),

        That is losers’ way of admitting their ignorance. You don’t even have the courage to acknowledge your mistakes. And you tried to give readers the impression that you are smarter than the 2nd graders? Well, your case should be used as an example to alert readers of some of the problems with talking to individuals like you: fake but good at trying to look smart, and often wasting others time.

        I made it clear that the problem is not with your dummy answer. It was with the loud noise you made to appear smart. That DID expose the problems with your personality which appear to be common in all of your comments/ responses:

        – Empty talks, and excessive efforts to impressive others, typical problem of many with identity issue or those confused. That should lead readers to believe that you also lack deeper understanding of the real world.

        – similar to the above is the lack of humbleness and wisdom you are suffering from. I encourage you seek for help on this; it is very important. “When pride appears, disgrace accompanies it, but humility is a present wisdom.” (Proverb)

        – lack of respect for others’ views and understandings (obviously, that’s expected from folks with such weak personalities)

        The list can go on and on but I am trying to be as considerate as I could, although your personality is not cooperating.

        Wedehanka

      • DZ

        Mr. Intati’e or Tesfatselmat (Tes),

        That is losers’ way of admitting their ignorance. You don’t even have the courage to acknowledge your mistakes. And you tried to give readers the impression that you are smarter than the 2nd graders? Well, your case should be used as an example to alert readers of some of the problems with talking to individuals like you: fake but good at trying to look smart, and often wasting others time.

        I made it clear earlier that the problem is not with your dummy answer. It was with the loud noise you made to appear smart. That DID expose the problems with your personality which appear to be common in all of your comments/ responses:

        – Empty talks, and excessive efforts to impressive others, typical problem of many with identity issue or those confused. That should lead readers to believe that you also lack deeper understanding of the real world.

        – similar to the above is the lack of humbleness and wisdom you are suffering from. I encourage you seek for help on this; it is very important. “When pride appears, disgrace accompanies it, but humility is a present wisdom.” (Proverb)

        – lack of respect for others’ views and understandings (obviously, this problem is expected from folks with such weak personalities)

        The list can go on and on but I am trying to be as considerate as I could, although your personality is not cooperating.

        Wedehanka

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear DZ,

        You are reacting for my reaction to you. This is perfect according to Newton’s law, for every action there is equal but opposite reaction. I know your reaction and i am perfectly able to dissolve it. I will chew you up till you confess about your ignorance. changing my name will not help you. I am always tes for what ever you call me, it is only you that you will confess about.

        Here you have mentioned one point, I appeared smart to you, no matter what what type of smartness according to your analysis. That is very good. But for me, you are typical ignorant person. Just wait, I will open the heaven for you.

        hawka
        tes

        • DZ

          No. Wrong. I was not reacting to your reaction. I was telling you to seek for help to become a full-human….

          Jeez, you also have to bring up Newton’s low to tell us you know something again 🙂

          BTW, you are complaining because I called you Intati’e. A farmer from Eritrea also called me to complain for using Intati’e to describe a loser. So, I will listen to the wise farmer from back home.

          Do not get excited. You are not worth the time…. I was just using you as example of bad apples to alert others so they do not wast their time. But you will never have a chance to talk with me, loser.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear DZ,

            Is your D represents for your god, Dictator IA?

            To be a loser and not to be smart is different. You were saying first I am as if I want to show you my smartness. In fact, I am smart to tell you. Because I let you to follow me. This is my smartness. You are ignorant like your dictator IA. then one who gets little lecture and the try to us them to give instructions (please listen Dejen’s interview about DIA’s method of learning and then start to be an advisor, nieshtoy filtet hisimti eya).

            You are lucky that now you got a good master tes who will show you your ignorance. I will expose you till you go back to yourself. I tell you, I am smart enough for you to dismantle and maintain you to be a human being. I know the devil followers and I have the tools to detach them. What ever you say, now you are in your final hallucination. Kelefalfeka eye gdi yeblkan. But, don’t be panic, I am very kind that I will not live you to be ignorant. I will show you the real world, the world of justice, the world of reality, the world of freedom. For now, just finish all your words that you can say. Time of redemption. If you don’t waant to be redempted, stay away from this forum or from me. Kemzi nay buda zihazo seb kelefalfeka eye, dro eko jemirkayo aleka.

            Hawka
            tes

  • Dear readers,

    1) We apologize for the transcribing error we made regarding the distance from Asmara to the battle zone. Dejen didn’t say 25-30 kilometers, but 80-90 kilometers. The error is corrected.

    2) TsaTse: you are not wanted in this forum for your repeated violations. Your account is deleted for good.

    Awate Team

  • Rodab

    Dear AT,
    Is Jebena section up and running? I am going to need it for WorldCup2014 chat:-) 9 days and counting down…
    Save for Ermias, no one I know of cares for soccer. Sad!! Oh wait, I think Abinet is also interested.
    Anyway, from Africa, Nigeria will be the team that goes the furthest. Just so you know.
    Italy will be crowned in the end.

    • Nitricc

      Hahaha I was going to ask the same question about Jebena. I am going to need it to scream out loud. To think out loud with out being harassed by the likes of the toothless.
      Any way Rodab, I say Spain not that I know anything about the girls game soccer; but I know about girls and Spain girls are much cuter that Italian girls; so I say Spain will win. Rodab, do you wanna bet me? 🙂
      Back to the point what is up with Jebena? AT?
      I know we are spoiled : – )

      • Rodab

        Nitricc bro,
        Spain is a shiny object that is noticeable from afar.
        Italy is “dugul Hawi” that is unnoticeable at first but gradually and steadily conquers.

    • Hi Rodab, Nitricc, Ermias and others. You will have your Jebena (maybe with fenajil) for the world cup. Patience.

    • abinet

      Hey Rodab
      talk to me. I can’t wait. Nine long days. I dont think Italy will make it through. They have a good defense and midfield but their forward is not impressive. They have to depend on Balatoli. I don’t think he is consistent now as he was at inter.
      I say Argentina. I really like the roster.what do you think?
      I hope the wardiya on duty will tolerate us if we don’t abuse the privilege to talk soccer from time to time. Imagine a whole month of soccer with no politics.

      • Rodab

        Commrade-in-soccer Abinet,

        I am sticking with the always underestimated team Italia.
        The Dauch is the other black horse – nearly took the trophy in 2010 much to the surprise of everyone.
        Argentina? Hmmm, I doubt it they’ll even make it to group 8. Half of their eggs are in one basket (Lionel Messi). Don’t also forget the hosts…

        Anywho, this should do it till our place is ready.

      • Ermias

        Abi, Italy is my least favorite team. I hope they crash out of the group stages. I am eagerly awaiting to see Balotelli’s hairdo though. I would like to use it as my avatar.

        • Abinet

          Ermias
          He spend more time and energy thinking about his hairdo. If you use his ugly hairdo as your avatar,I will never read your comments just to avoid him.
          Enjoy the games.

    • Ermias

      Here is my prediction for the world cup semifinals:

      Brazil Vs Germany
      Spain Vs Argentina

      Sorry, that is as far as I can see this early.

      From the African teams group stages, you can count Cameron out. Nigeria have a fighting chance to be second beating Bosnia but that is not a bad team from what I saw yesterday against Mexico. Ivory Coast can top their group but Ghana has been dealt with a really bad luck. Algeria, I am not sure about but they have a seemingly easy group against Russia, Belgium, and Korea but not really though because those three teams are not big names but star loaded.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear TsaTse,

    Here is characteristic and definition of Ultra-Nationalism

    a. Ultranationalism is a zealous nationalism that expresses extremist support for one’s nationalist ideals.

    b. It is often characterized by authoritarianism, efforts toward reduction or stoppage of immigration, expulsion and or oppression of non-native populations within the nation or its territories, demagoguery of leadership, emotionalism, fomenting talk of presumed, real, or imagined enemies, predicating the existence of threats to the survival of the native, dominant or otherwise idealized national ethnicity or population group, instigation or extremist reaction to crack-down policies in law enforcement, efforts to limit international trade through tariffs, tight control over over businesses and production, militarism, populism and propaganda.

    c. Prevalent ultra nationalism typically leads to or is the result of conflict within a state, and or between states, and is identified as a condition of pre-war in national politics.

    d. In its extremist forms ultra-nationalism is characterized as a call to war against enemies of the nation/state, secession or, in the case of ethno-centrist ultra-nationalism, genocide.

    hawka
    tes

  • Kokhob Selam

    1001 things to learn from those 6 parts of interview Eyobay. and now the 7th part is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZNdYnN8_mU
    if I start to list with explanation I will have to announce that I am writing one wonderful book. but in fact the way he said things in itself is unbelievable to hear it from some one who brought up under EPLF. no professor in opposition was heard to put it in such way. hear the last part today and you will wonder how much he as learned from his life long experience. the lesson here is not only to those who oppose but most to those who were cheated and even to those corrupted opportunists as their support to PFDJ is even useless to them. the lesson is even to DIA himself that he will never win at all. it is a lesson the mass, in fact hard to swallow truth the mass didn’t move for truth and is paying for it. the consequence of not standing for truth is very high. I can’t say it the way he said it he is just wise and full of wisdom. that is strange, I was against EPLF when he born but I couldn’t put it the way he put it. amazing sound,style and way. I thank the almighty for let me see and hear such bright truth and I ask the almighty to keep all my heroes who dead for truth in higher paradise. Here I learn that we have real young people who will challenge. the saying goes “mot kem adam” amharic ver. “mot ende adam” .

  • Nitricc

    Rodab, I agree with your take.
    The writings are all over there for one to see. Rodab hit it right on the head.
    Someone put this brave man in a prison to protect and cover their mistakes even as Rodab said it, treason.
    Here is so far what I have gathered from the interview and it sounds he was not in a prison but a holding place.
    He was picked up by few men, he was placed in to prison..
    They gave him money; they gave him new cloths, he was even told he is in jail because, he is too valuable and the government wants to preserve him, he was allowed to access electronics; even he was following Assenan radio. I am assuming if he can listen to assenna; that means he had access to computers? To my understanding radio Assenna is online radio station. Please some one correct me if I am wrong. So, my point is; when you are in a prison, specially the military one; well for get it. he wasn’t tortured, he wasn’t interrogated and nothing physically happened to him. all that suggests to me, someone one wants him shout up.
    So, Dejen was simply in prison to cover up some once crime against the nation. He was a sacrifice lamb. He paid the price for some. It is injustice to the highest degree against the young man who wanted nothing but to serve his country and people. It is amazing his vibe and his sprite sounds intact. I mean after 15 years prison; you think a person to show some kind of attitude or resentment, nop not this man.

    • Haile WM

      i don’t think you really understand tigrigna. I am guessing you grew up in the western world uh ? a proud YPFDJ that is.

      • Nitricc

        Stick to the point what is to you if I grow up in Guatemala? If I miss something point out so I can see and learn if not what does it have to do YPFDJ PFDJ or anything else? You must have one sorry azz life. I hate lazy people.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Nitricc, your take is good but you are forgetting a few things. As a young adult I was jailed for a short time, you are not allowed radio or contact with the outside world, but sometimes new prisoners come with news, some guards even sympathize with the prisoners and bring them news from family and general information. Other times you eavesdrop the guards talking… This how he would get news not through a computer inside his cell. Imagine, you are not even allowed to talk with each other but you whisper. In 15 years he might have gotten the amount of news you get in a day and when he mentions it you think he had easy flow of news coming to him? Illogical.

          The thing is, as you said, he was sacrificed to cover up for the crimes of others. In this case what is the responsibility of us citizens? Justify it? Be indifferent or protest against the injustice? That depends on the value of each one of us. The leSt we can do is state unequivocally that it is wrong to victimize a person and rob him of 15 years of his life. Our protest might not amount to anything, but it is the right thing to do.

          My friend, there are thousands of victims in the PFDJ dungeons, many have lost their lives and the population is living under the shadows of terror. Dancing the 25th doesn’t alleviate the situation, standing against injustice would. It soothes your conscience. The least you can do is state you position against injustice, at least pray it ends, even if one is an atheist for even they are expected to be just and principled.

          • Semere Andom

            Selamat Abu Salaha:
            The idea that Dejen has a computer in his sell is absurd and is its gets more unhinged to think that he had internet access in his cell, as even for those people outside prison Internet is not accessible in PFDJ’s Eritrea. As to the idea to cover for the blunders of people,yes, but whose blunders? This just the lies that PFDJ spreads as if they care about the prisoners, remember IA loves the G-15 so he has put them in safe house, by now if people believe whatever PFDJ says is helpless. Dejen captured it clearly when he said , ” Innocent Eritrea are in prison for decades, some even since ghelid era, the criminals are free, the innocent are in prison and anyone who believes the opposite is a criminal, “megzaeti” was better than PFDJ’s independence, even the good enemy, Derg did not kill you and threw your body”
            Degi had the courage to falsely accuse you and as a child I remember visiting prisoners with my family.
            All the comparisons of prisoners and the take is aimed at reconciling their conflicted belief about PFDJ and the cold and hard truth that is staring them and not the mind of critical thinking, sometimes we are fooled by the supporters’ citations and masked, conflicted and banalities.
            sem

          • Nitricc

            SG
            I stand corrected! Regarding the computer thing; As soon as I hear he was following Radio-Assenna; I assumed Dejen had an Access to some kinds of electronics. So, I can see where my assumption could go to wrong conclusion. Thank you for helping me to see the other side.
            SG
            I am sure you have been following me for a long time in awate.com. I never surrender to win. I rather fight to lose for what I thought to be right and just in my own mind. Justice is cruel, emotionless and blind. If I am to judge what I am hearing from Dejen; I got to play it out all the possibilities, the scenarios and what ifs; I am justice, I go blind, I have no emotions and I have no feelings. So, when I posted my last peace; that is what exactly I had in mind. Yesterday; after I listened to interview part one and Dejen introduced himself and his entire family; the whole Sahil thing and all the Air bombardment that Dejen talk about, I imagined it allon my head and I played it, over and over and one question came to my mind and I ask to my self, if Eritrea is not for dejen, then, for whom? I ask that question from bottom of my heart and I have no answer for you till this moment. I am having a meeting with my own soul.
            Regarding taking position on this matter; well there is no alternative position to take; is there?

          • haileTG

            Hey Nitricc (and to all other self doubters and PFDJista through you:)

            Let me bring to your attention that there is a “dejen” inside each one of you. A dejen that is longing to be free, a dejen that doesn’t know why it is made to do what it is doing and saying (supporting against hard facts to the contrary), a dejen that is ready to break into the world of truth, justice, dignity and taking ownership of the ride to your destny. Let the dejen inside you free, don’t be like PFDJ (a wastlands of death and scourage), let it run and be what it may. No more slavery, happy freedom 🙂

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Nitricc,

            Very innocent confession. Welcome to the justice seekers camp. We love you. Just talk with your soul again, because we don’t want to see U-Turners. Get confirmed with your trinity, your body, spirit and soul. Of course now, you are one whole person. Welcome and join us to fight against injustice, the oppressors, the barbarians, the tyrants, the devils in Asmara and thoe who are fooled by the PFDJ propaganda or those who still cling to ultra-blind nationalistic approach.

            Consciousness matters and now your consciousness has saved you.

            We love you Nitricc, just come to Justice.

            Hawka
            tes

            For you to have a conscious mind

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrzdk_YnYY

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Can you say that again please. I am not being sarcastic.
            please say with different words
            Sem

          • Semere Andom

            Sele:
            I cannot wait to read his speecch. Is he writing it now cus he not saying much 😉

      • ZULA

        Dear Haile

        Just for your information, Nitricc doesn’t understand any of Eritrean languages, it is only Amharic & English that he get. He is not even YPFDJ as he is raised in Ethiopia and only been to Eritrea once in his life time.

        He has been trying to be a true Eritrean for a long time but he is a late comer to the Eritrean socio-political scenery.

    • Semere Andom

      Nitricc:
      Wrong on all fronts. But even if I want to play along with your little scenario, whose mistake? What is torture to you?Did Mandela show any resentment,he actually forgave his captors. There is one person whose treason has been documented, his name is Isaias Afwerki Abraha. You guys are a piece of work and we need to put to you in prison for your own safety,to protect your from you and study you for 15 years, study the chemistry of your brains, the electricity of your hearts and bio chemistry of every cell, did I say every sell, that is just slip of the tongue or an oxymoron 🙂
      If you show some consistency in your skeptical rants I would consider it half decent, but you put your devil’s advocate hats only towards the victims. And your twin brother counted 6 million prisoners in the USA and compared them to the prisoners in Eritrea, this was a flash of genius, sometimes truth can be discovered purely by serendipity 🙂
      Sem

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hey Sem,

        Your argument sounds Mandela was brutalized and imprisoned by the various leaders of South Africa rather than by the “Apartheid system” of South African government. If you try to argue me no, then Why is the Issayas’s system of government and his party PFDJ doesn’t imply here in the reality of ours? Why are you trying to exempt the party (PFDJ) and its system to be as the center of the crimes in our nation? Hisebelu De’A arkucha.

        With respect,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Semere Andom

          Dear Emma:

          Sorry if I made blunder, can you point out exactly where I did that

          Here is what I was trying to say:

          Apartheid was a brutal system,yet it treated Mandela and his comrades, better, far better than IA is treating our “Mandelas”. Mandela, for example received letters from his then wife,he was able to write his law exam in prison. Yes there was system in SA and was not done by the president at whim, but my intention was to compare the systems, and I assumed there is a systems in Erirea. There is no system, the system is IA.But even if we assume there is a system in Eritrea, it is the most brutal of systems that this word has seen and I was trying to point out by citing recent and close history of SA and even that was better. I am sure our stand (yours and mine) regarding SA, Meles and PFDJ are the same. Hasibelu do? 😉

          Emma: “Why are you trying to exempt he party (PFDJ) and its system to be as the center of the crimes in our nation”, You are one of the people here I count on to defend me if someone else said Sem is trying to excmpt PFDJ 😉

          Sem

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sem,

            My Point is just to state where we differ our views. Let me put it as is. You believe “there is no system in Eritrea and the system is IA” and I believe “there is a system in Eritrea the PFDJ system of governance and Issayas is the head of the system.” As the “Apartheid system” was the apparatus of oppression and dehumanization in South Africa, the “PFDJ system” is the apparatus of oppression and dehumanization in Eritrean. A dictator can’t live without a system that protected him, so does our dictator can’t live without the system that protect and defend him. Why is this difficult to understand in the Eritrean mind? it is mind boggling.

            So my friend I defend you where I should defend you. I criticize you where I should. In my book criticism is healthy dose to bridge our differences. But a sincere question to you, to give me an educated answer theoretically, conceptually, and functionally how dictators without a system and enablers can live and survive, and surely apply their ideological principles on the ground?

            With all respect,
            Hawka Amanuel

          • Semere Andom

            Ahlen Aman:
            Of course DIA cannot live with a system,his PFDJ, the angle in my initial comment was to say that the systems in Eritrea(PFDJ) as personified by IA is worse than the system in SA when Mandela was in prions. I was trying addressing Nitricc’s comments when he said, Dejen had internet access in his cell. That angle Emma.
            I was not exonerating PFDJ and blaming only IA, in several previous comments I made I said that “those trying to miniaturizing the crimes of PFDJ by just blaming IA are ignoring, the collaborators, enforces and so on, one man cannot wreak all this havoc so the people who are trying to minimize PFDJ to one man or even to a few handful are wrong.” I was focused on the crimes regardless of the dichotomy of systems vs one man. We are the on the same wave lenth her, it was just the angle and the chemist in you saw the missing angle;-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sem Arkey,

            If that is the case, take a note this statement of yours, “there is no system in Eritrea and the system is IA”. Those who who argue your opposite side will see a conflict on your statement if you believe also “DIA can’t live without PFDJ system” and surely will exploit your stand. But seriously, don’t you support Saay’s theory of “Issayasicm” a philosophy which advocate that there is no any relationship between Issayas and the PFDJites, and as such there is no “PFDJ system” in the way they are governing Eritrea but Issayas the only man ? I thought we register our difference on that. But if you say we are in the same page, I will take it. BTW those who are telling us there is no system in Eritrean, they are only trying to fool us. There is a system that governs in the “Eritrean state” which Issayas and his followers are proud about it and that is “PFDJ system” of governance. So I will take as is if we are in the same page. Thank you.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear big brother Amanuel,

            good note,

            “There is a system that governs in Eritrean state which Issayas and his
            followers are proud about it and that is “PFDJ system” of governance.”

            Saay’s approach is not in fact a philosophical approach. It is purely hatred based of the DIA (of course I do also, but more than that, the system is a brutal, barbairc, totalitarian, tyranny, devil’s tool). Let’s weed-out this system. DIA is within and he will be vanished with the system.

            hawka
            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Emma:
            If your remember Saay debated the Isaiasism vs PFDJ and I still disagree with him. But the use of ” no system” here was loosely to make the point that the system is subservient to IA, let us blame it on my “deep understanding” of the different shades of meaning, kidding aside. The use of “systems” was to denote the whimsical, irresponsible and unaccountable nature. We disagreed with Saay on this and that is why to this day we do not talk, we broke up because of this 🙂
            Not only that it is not the work of one man, it is is not even a work of a couple of hundreds of people, PFDJ is “systems” of machinery that greases itself by our blood and sweat, which is made up of thinkers, enforcers, collaborators, clappers, cheerleaders, dupes, evil parasites and many are in this forum eavsdroping, apologizing and sanitizing, cleansing their crimes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sem Arkucha,

            This time bingo ! and thumbs up! Hold your grip on that argument, because theoretically, philosophically, and functionally a dictator can’t live without a system no matter how brutal it is. It is the system that watches and preserve his throne. If we remove him without touching his state apparatus, there will be always someone after him. But if you dismantle the state apparatus of oppression, there is always an alternative…and a hope for a democratic Eritrea for our young generation.

            Hawka,

            Amanuel H.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Aman,

            System (like that of PFDJ’s) doesn’t carry equal weight for everyone. For example the system might have prevented say, Haile Durue(assuming that he was a good man), from reforming it and worse it exposed him to indefinite incommunicado but the same system will not stand before IA. IA could have brought about any kind of reform with a positive(obedient) system response. from my experience, what I can say is system affects those who try to reform it from below. If you are at the top of it, it’s as obedient as a poodle. That’s what distinguish authoritarian systems from democracies where in the later the person at the helm has very little choice at their disposal: system responds not to the whims of the top man but to established dynamics of balances and checks.

            regards

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman T Kifle and Sem

            Does a system presuppose the existence of a set of governing rules? Are there recognizable “set of governing rules (good or bad)” describable in the way the PFDJ run the country? Are ther economic rules? political rules? social rules? legal rules? If not, are we merely refering the absence of a “system” as a “system” of sorts, albeit trivially speaking? In other words, is the PFDJ system that of a “no system”?

            Regards

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Haile TG and also TK and Emma:
            I think your last line is what I was saying all along. ” a system of no system”. Succinct!
            For what it is worth her is a rephrased rehash from my rants on this topic 😉
            The protagonists of Isaiasism, say that if PFDJ was able to implement even its own rules, despite their reclusive, non-inclusive and sometimes outright discriminatory and lunatic, Eritrea would be in a better position than it finds itself now. For example if according its charter the central committee met regularly, if the rubber stamp parliament met regularity and discussed the affairs of the nation be it of war and economics, Eritrea would be in a far better position. While still the dictator would impose his will by pulling the various strings at his disposal behind the scenes, given a strong will of the some members, there could have been room for a normal life in Eritrea. And because these does not happen and the power is too centralized at the top if DIA is removed the “non system” will eminently collapse, therefore there is no system, the tentacles, devoid of the electrical command and stimulation from the CNS(Central Nervous system) will immediately wither away.

            PFDJ/EPLF has rules, policies and efficient control systems that applies to all its branches. Take auditing for example, there is no independent auditor that audits the government, but there are auditors who meticulously audit every penny but no one audits the fovernmentor PFDJ to report back to the people, the rightful shareholders of the money and everything Eritrea.

            On the other hand some of us argue that PFDJ is a “system “staffed with CNS, enforcers, collaborators, cheerleaders, goons, manipulators and if the CNS is removed because the legacy, the livelihood, the survival of all the tentacles are at stake they will fight tooth to nail and one of the tentacles will become the CNS and reign with brutality that matches that of the last CNS. Although once DIA is removed by force, things will definitely be messy and unpredictable, but it is simplistic to just assume that cutting the head will ensure the withering away of the rest. The other scenario is what Sal called “democratic coup”, in this scenario the good people inside the PFDJ and you have to believe that there are always these kind of people in the darkest and most cruel environment) will insidiously take over and eliminate both the CNS and the rest sick tentacles and slowly easing the nation to rule of law. The subtle distinction and our unique locution are creating the confusion between systems vs non system. PFDJ is a machinery of a “systems” that is oiled with our blood and sweat and our ultimate goal must be to remove the malignant part of our society and then staying watchful from its emergence, tirelessly consigning it to the oblivion of stone age, preserving their heinous artifacts to remind us of those days, to make it a teachable opportunity for us and for our posterity. A civilian as a commander in chief, a military serving under the pleasure of a civilian president is the elusive dream.

            But here is another caveat that I want to hear your view: implementing the 1997 document, making a deal with some “good” members of PFDJ, even making unpopular and gusty deal with some criminals inside the PFDJ in exchange of nailing the present CNS and exposing the 40 year crime to learn from it, to obtain an insight form the inside is a strategic move, not principle.

          • T. Kifle

            Sem, haile TG and Aman,

            My comment above has to do with peeking into PFDJ’s system of governance through the inside mirror. If I have to factor in the external political dynamics what appears to me so powerful, more likely outlasting any government is the collective leading idea the elites would manage to hold and spread, when that very idea is employed one way or another in calibrating policies of current or future governments. From that point, PFDJ’s view of Eritrea is not necessarily unique. My observation tells me that there are far more political forces that oppose and renounce the criminality of PFDJ(as Sem would like to call it strategy) while converging on wide range of issues with PFDJ. I don’t see morally acceptable rallying guns post-IA PFDJ could dispense except trying to shield itself from dangerous inroads from the opposition which if it happens would be in the time of the takeover of power.

            So I tend to believe that PFDJ is a system of “no systems” (thanks to the greatness of haile). My limited understanding of the functioning of the government in Eritrea tells me that PFDJ system wouldn’t function in the same manner it has been functioning in the absence of the “strong” man. In a situation where the system is made systematically answerable to the strong man, in the absence of clear authority in the pecking order of the ranks next to him, the outcome is pretty unpredictable with a fluid chance of assuming any path. If , in the mean time, the opposition gain momentum and effected change, the PFDJ system wouldn’t pose a serious challenge in the process of democratising Eritrea because that system is not a system of enduring ideas but an instrument of brutality and dictatorship which Eritreans loathe to the core. Even the agents of that very system know very much that they are hated by the general public. They wouldn’t command moral authority to stand before the publicly watchful eyes in free Eritrea. The only loophole I see is the nature of the power transfer(in whatever forms) to the contending parties. In any case, PFDJ system cannot sustain itself for long even in the presence of IA, it is self-destructive: will finally leave the scene for good.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahwat Haile-TG & Sem,

            Please there is no such “a system of no system” if you want, you could make a research for PHD dissertation and make the necessary research to validate your argument and register it as a new phenomenon in the lexicon of political science, and you are welcome for that. Otherwise let us not do it for a political halki. Go to the epistemological philosophy you will not find it. Why don’t we stay with the standard definitions and terms that exist and relate to our political discourse.

            Hawkum,

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear haile TG,

            Your last statement that says PFDJ system that of a “no system” has good points that we can discuss on in detail as already a take is going by our brothers. The thing is, PFDJ built a system that no accountability is possible by all means. There are no official guidelines and above all the system of governance he is working on is Rule of the Jungle. And rule of the jungle is a system of governance where the decision makers are left with unlimited power and those who for them have no guarantee at all for what ever action they take. Everything is out of rule but there is a need to be adherent to the central power who is letting them to exercise such power.

            One point here, the system is of no system because there is no rule to work with. Then, the link that is purposefully non existent is “rule of Law” and because of this system, it is called a “A lawless System”. But, I can not agree with you with your notion that says a system of no system.

            We have common understanding on the basic principles of PFDJ system, just the “terminology”

            I would like to share this video to have the classification of working within the lawless system.

            Hawka
            tes

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DON-aM2tze4&hd=1

          • haileTG

            Selamat tes, Sem, and T Kifle

            I was hoping to see what Aman’s take would look like too (may be he is caught up in a busy day:). Some of you are already describing what the “no system” is in practice. And T Kifle has extended it a little further by introducing the issues of “transfer of power”. Thanks all.

            Before we delve into the theory of “no system” system, however, what does it look like in PFDJ Eritrea? In a practical case that is?

            We know, for example, construction work is banned in Eritrea. If you have to do minor fixes outside your home, you’ll be fined. If you give the guy fining you tip, most likely he won’t fine you. But, because he has no control on the next father of four who works in imposing the fines, you’d need to pay that guy too. That may not work well and instead people normally tip the military commander in the operation zone (tegadalay) and every fine imposer is made to turn blind eye.

            Suppose you have no ID card (I know it is changing), if you go to the embassy here and speak to some tesfanews zealot, he would calculate from the date PFDJ hijacked our country in 1992 to ask you pay a lot of fine. Go to Eritrea, an ordinary civil servant would complete all of that in a less than 2 days for 7000ERN cash on hand.

            Go down to Massawa, and try to import any item. Well import export has long been banned. You need to know who is the right tegadalay there to pay the tip again. If you pay to the wrong one (there is turf system) you risk your property confiscated.

            If there arise a matter which would see you to go to jail, hmmm that is pain in the backside. often matters of going to jail are issues of violating your right, you need to be silenced or you might have stepped into the wrong military commander (tegadalay) foot and he has to punish you (because the population is considered a subject of those criminals). The reason I say it is pain is that once you are in the jail, releasing you is a threat. It means that you would talk about it, you probably have been made to see other long term prisoners too and might leak sensitive info, you may talk about conditions and so forth…hence it is most likely that once you are in you would remain inside.

            If you want to pay taxes, you need to settle outside official channels, else you would anger a lot of thieves who work as officials and would load you with hefty bill. If you want to do your fiscal accounts for business you need to speak to people in 09 who sell blank receipts for you for laundering your contraband merchandise as legit.

            Well, if you’re just a bank teller you need to carry your wife’s hair pin like shown below. The 5000 ERN cash wad is taped from both the length and width side of the wad unlike the picture below that is only taped from the length side. Bank tellers usually insert the hair pin and roll 100ERN out and people don’t count it because there are no counting machines.

            So, friends, in Eritrea there is no system and even the higher ups are often left high and dry by IA contradicting them word for word, as in the constitution issue and others. The transfer of power means, the filling of the power vacum. You can’t transfer power from a no system, which represents no power. It is only a facade of a system for external consumption. And all there is to it is to take over and institute a system from scratches.

            Regards

          • haileTG

            …forgot to attach my pics 🙂 i) prison II) hair pins III) cash wads

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear haile TG,

            The thing that you are talking is what is happening in daily life. And what you said is purely material issue. In PFDJ system, there is one rule and that rule is, “enrich your pocket by all means possible because there is no payment, but don’t speak against the system.”

            Hope you got my point. what you listed is daily activity. I could have given you a typical example that it happened to me when I started to oppose for such activities. 100s of examples can be listed as what you are trying to say.

            but, lets go a bit higher.

            for financial matters, there is no supply and people work on black market. This is a simple norm of a command economy. And this is under the economic ideology. Create supply shortage and involve the people to engage in black market. And black market is black market no records. Then, the regime will collect money through taxation. Then, there must be a replacing source of such income bills. 09 was created to close the gap that occurs between the black market and the people who involve on it. ANd 09 is not free by himself from such activity, by the way, the main importer of black market commodities in Eritrean and Sudan as well as the whole region of horn of Africa is PFDJ. therefore, it is within their system.

            regarding arrest; Eritreans are changed as spies for each of them. And there is no cross check as there is complete authority given to each spy to keep you in jail under the name of national security. For what ever it is, the people know well the system how it works, therefore, any person with higher position can take you out. Even no payment needed. There is no document needed. I faced this one night.

            Regarding construction,forget such small construction works, even big dams and projects are full of corruption. Do you know what it happened with eh Sugar processing company, the tourist ship, agricultural machinery? I know well as I was there and in some personally working as project engineer. There are many damages done. under the Pfdj,system, it is easy to destroy public houses (it happened in Keren city, Massawa and many undocumented cities). Just bring a doxer and destroy it. Kust forget the small houses, for the last 8 years, we have seen companies to emerge and liquidate with no accountability. And if you ask why, it is because of the PFDJ system, no accountability at all.

            Bank? haile hawey, have you ever thought on the secret of changing the colors of paper money, nakfa? It is nothing but to control inflation. As the inflation became higher and higher, they can not simply print the same paper because it is a sign of economic decline. Instead, they have to trick the publishers by inventing a myth, a myth that says, “it is creating confusion.” And this is within their financial system.

            The list will go on and what we can see is the total system, a system of lawless, lawless system under their ideology.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Hope

            Sem and Emma,
            What we need is realistic and practical approaches and solutions,NOT personal , metaphysical and Egoistic arguements and theories .
            Wether PFDJ is a system or a party or institution or else—-it does NOT matter.What matters is Constitutional Governance as the Constitution will change all the games–be it a system or instituion or dictator-ship.
            My apology for the interference.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hope,

            If you don’t know how it works, then how can you have a constitutional governance to function? To know how exactly the system works and who controls and by what is very important.

            Hawka
            tes

          • Hope

            My point is wether we know or not about the PFDJ system—,it is NOT essential now;what is essential is how to break the system and work for immediate change.
            what I read here is unproductive egoistic arguement.
            We are not here to be lectured about theories and metaphysics.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hope,

            You said, “it is NOT essential now;what is essential is how to break the system and work for immediate change.”

            I will continue lecturing you, especially for you.

            You said first, whether we know or not about the PFDJ SYSTEM and then you want to break the system.If you don’t know the system, what are you going to break?

            Habibna, ana estaz ekon, melakin egilka estaz lazim ethazeka hala. Dib eli bayto mintrekeba mashela, ekon lazim gilimitsa’e bu, wela min akan sheytan.

            huka
            tes

    • hope

      Nittric hawey,
      You sound confused.It is better sometime to stay reserved/keep quite or change your heart when the Truth hits you hard.
      Keeping in communicado or in a holding place or prison without due process for 15yrs,a young genius Pilot,is but beyond crimes against Humanity by any standard.
      Dejen is my brother by any criterion or standard.But you are insulting me by making similar excuses about my hero and my uncle by blood,who sacrified his entire life as a Top ELF Commander and Security Officer then as a PFDJ Top Security Officer,then Top Fedayeen in the heart of Addis in the middle of dangerous war and smuggling the SAM-7s,which destroyed more than d a dozen of Ethiopian Migs and Mi-24s–but only to be stoned to near-death simply because he was Petros Solomon’s close confidente and co-worker–for the BEST interest of Eritrea—??
      And you are trying to convince me that Dejen and my Uncle/a Colonel, were placed in a holding place for their safety?
      Are you insane?Is that what the YPFDJ Cadres taught you?.That is exactly what DIA said about those prisoners during one of his interviews:

    • Amanuel

      Nitricc
      Don’t play fool. No one is buying it.

    • Denden

      Nitricc, … and who do you think that someone was? In case you missed it, Dejen said that the ghost behind the “zimiliketo akal” was PIA. Yeah, he was in prison to cover crime against the nation by “zimiliketo Akal”. Imagine, the other countless Eritreans thrown into prison to cover someone’s crime. That could happen only in countries like Eritrea where there is no any kind of system accountable to any one. Even mafia system has some kind of code of attics and they don’t brutalize their own circle of friends, kids, and family. PIA has been busy working against his own interest brutalizing innocent Eritreans for far too long. His is completely naked and what ever lame “kemiSh adey hanqilini” excuses you throw to cover his crimes against Eritreans won’t cut it.

      Denden

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam Nitricc:

      1. Assenna radio gets to Eritrea by satellite, certainly, if they allow prisoners to listen to radio or any other mass media critical of the government is a question I can’t answer. Even assuming the government doesn’t allow it, I have heard stories of innovative ways of getting information during the Ethiopian years in Eritrea and stories I read on how prisoners exchange information in other parts of the world, for instances, Israeli maximum security prisons the Korean War and WWII. Dejen said that it is the victim (jailed) who is always on the look for freedom not the the suppressor (jailer). So, while we do not know how he was able to listen to Assena, and I don’t think he will tell it since it affects the remaining prisoners quality of life, it is plausible they were able to listen to the radio either directly or indirectly by smuggling information in to the prisoners, which happens anywhere.

      2. On Rodab’s theory: Well, the issue is not why he was arrested,or why the others were arrested; governments arrest people, that’s part of their job, but even treasonous prisoners get justice, and until one gets justice you do not call them treasonous. This young man has not been indicted for 15 years; it is injustice. Even suspects of treason deserve justice; and a treason allegation or suspicion is not a treason until proven guilty in a court of law with the defendant having equal opportunity to challenge the government to prove him/her a traitor. The idea behind rodab reasoning might be that due to national security the government did not want to let any information surrounding that “treasonous act”leaked out. Well, nations have accommodations of exacting justice without compromising their national security; they do have closed courts with the defendants exercising their rights; in his case, since he was a soldier, he would have been court martial-ed. but because of injustice, he was not even told why he was languishing for 15 years, he spent most of those years rationalizing for the despicable act of the government that had disposed of him. Dejen is the metaphor of the justice system in Eritrea; his experience is a testament to what’s all bad about our nation.

      3. This is the crucial part Nitricc,” He paid the price for some. It is injustice to the highest degree against the young man who wanted nothing but to serve his country and people. It is amazing his vibe and his sprite sounds intact. I mean after 15 years prison; you think a person to show some kind of attitude or resentment, nop not this man.” well said Nitrricc.
      Your wonderful words shut off brothers, Semere and tes, for ever. (WOW!). They are not going to throw punches to you; you showed them that you are not merely a blunt fighter but a caring human being.

      • Semere Andom

        Selamat Mahmud;
        You are doing good job in your new position 😉
        The how he was able to listen to radio if he was not allowed diversion is what the PFDJ supporters do, “gual neger”
        I am terrified where you see the logic and wonder in Nitricc’s words. About court martial, the democratic countries do that and it is democratic, balancing security and rights. The military court is restricted by the rule of law becoming of a democratic country. The PFDJ has not courts, no laws so, it is illegal and everything the government of Eritrea doe is illegal. I mean everything, even the schools, it builds is illegal, the roads it builds is illegal. Now before going to “gual neger” by reverting back, tell me where is the wonder, the awe, the marvel in Niricc’s words
        Everyone that PFDJ martials must be freed, every evidenced it brings should be thrown out of the windows, it was illegally obtained and the accuser, the judge, the jury is illegal. So by hinting it could have court martialed Dejen, we legitimize PFDJ.
        “In Eritrea innocent people are in prison, and the guilty criminals are roaming freely and anyone who says the opposite is a criminal”
        Sem

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Mahmud,

        You said, “Your wonderful words shut off brothers, Semere and tes, for ever. (WOW!). They are not going to throw punches to you; you showed them that you are not merely a blunt fighter but a caring human being.” Shame on you.

        We have left Nitricc because we want him to talk for himself. He is in the period of confession. We did our part and we are done. No more now to go after Nitricc. He is on the verge of joining the justice seekers camp. Unlike you, Nitricc was blind enough to his innocent ignorance but you are consciously changed to be ignorant.

        Read please Nitricc’s response to SG, he is back now to his inner soul. This is a big move for this blind innocent adherent of ultra-nationalistic man. Now, he is saved and we are just giving him more extra time so that he will be responsible for himself. We are here to make people free, not enslave them. We are here to tell people to go back to their inner soul. That is what a real FREEDOM is. Not like you who lives in his 1991 pride and never walked with realities. Even though ignorance is blessing (like Nitricc), your conscious ignorance is a curse.

        Therefore, I call you again to abandon fully your old mantra and join fully with the justice seekers.

        hawka
        tes

        • Mahmud Saleh

          salam Borthers tes and Semere:

          I will stop humor with you guys. ” Your wonderful words shut off brothers, Semere and tes, for ever. (WOW!). They are not going to throw punches to you; you showed them that you are not merely a blunt fighter but a caring human being.” This was meant for humor; I can see I am not good at it. The rest of my reply stands.

          Thank you.

          • Semere Andom

            Tegadalai Mahoomd:
            Do not give up on us, that is un Eritrean, aytehalel 😉
            You are too good, that is why we did not get it, too subtle, I usually get your humor, but this one was too deep.
            It is too early here, it is 5pm 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            teg/semere;
            get some dinner.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Mahmud,

            For the first time, I smiled deeply. Cheers!!! Ayayay mearey, thank you so much. You know we (I specially) are taking your words seriously. Abahrirkuna endikum, eti chirkan atfienayo, ኣብ ሜዳ ሰሓቕን ጭርቃንን ኔሩ ጥራሕ ክትብሉና ጭርቃን ከየስተማቐርና 23 ዓመት ጌርና። እንተ ኣንነት ዲዩ ትዕቢት አንትርፎ አቲ ጨዋግ ገጽ ታጋዳላይ ሓቀኛ ኣቦታዊ ፍሽኽታ ኣይረኤናን።

            But now you made my day, we are friends I think. I am preparing for my exam and got enough energy finally for tomorrow.

            Thank you for your kind humor.

            wedika
            tes

          • Hope

            tes,
            Try to control your emotions and think twice before you respond and try to understand and digest the idea of the comment.You seem to over-react and jump to judgements per my observation and in my opinion.
            Please take this as a constructive feedback rather than criticism..
            I have found Mahmoud Salih to be very,very soft,benign,innocent ,charming,patient,understanding and humble despite being tegadalay who went through the thick and the thin of Ghedli,not to mention the PTSD and related emotional issues that he could have developed; but at the same time brutally inteligent,etc—-,

          • Hope

            Vet Mahmoud Salih does NOT deserve this statement:
            “Therefore, I call you again to abandon fully your old mantra and join fully with the justice seekers”.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hope,

            Brother Mahmud is well calibre person to defend himself. Ayibka shimagle enhaze Hna. Just don’t waste your time to come in between.

            Huka
            tes

          • hope

            My apology tes….Just expressing myself and nothoing personal here but a simple reminder as a human being.Tthe word “mantra” made me feel uncomfortable.

          • Hope

            wed keren enta wela wed Semhar/wed berka?Aibka respond.You got that unique character,bro.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            MarHaba Hope:
            I spent time all over those regions dear Hope, and I miss them. Shukran.

          • Hope

            Afwen!
            .I know what you mean but I am not trying to be “regionalist” though but admiring and appreciating your unique persona and character.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Hope;
            Yes, I got it; I took it positively, sorry, if my reply was not clear. You promised me in the past a Shahi treat in Keren, don’t forget it. Shukran.

          • hope

            Insh’Allah very soon,Wed Ad,
            So anxious to have that ” Berad Shahi with Shehan ful”–you made me cry now,man,seriously! I miss my home dearly!
            What a curse!
            Big Bro,Semere Andom,please be so kind at times–and simple as your jokes and humor sound complex at times-
            When people talk about Keren,they mean,real,real and true Eritrea,not just the city.It is a symbolic gesture—-The harmony—the culture,etc—-Please listen to Mr.Al’amin Abdeletif’s song about Keren.
            This reminded me a funny but an Inetlligent Eritrean man called Dr Fikak Ebtes(MensAe version of Habte/s) and during a ” keren High School Re-Union Speech” in Washinton,D.C. he listed 10 ponts that would make ONE real kerenite and at the end he said:
            -After mentioning all the ten requirements, conlcuded by saying:
            If you fullfil all the ten requirements,you are, NOT only Wed keren but a Real Eritrean.

          • Semere Andom

            Ahelen ya Mahumd:
            I was expecting to respond to Hope by saying ” I know Keren, but where is Semhar or barka, hasebka tell me 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Semere;
            I was going to solicit the help of Nitricc, but will put it on hold for now lest ignite another wrath. Hassabka wa Aayebka, you can’t see the presence of those places in my conversation? I know, you r trying to have me say they have been eliminated from the map, ask tes why they created Zobatat? (Preemptive strike: before u jump to that keyboard, it’s a joke, yesterday’s lesson). Cheers!

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Mahmud:
            No I was joking with you that you may have forgotten their proper names they are called “mfar tsehay”:-)
            By preemptively striking you just called me a slow learner:-) but I can take it and yesterday’s lesson is still seared

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Semere;
            U got me! It’s my turn today to digest subtle jokes. And I say”no” to your guess of how I see u. You’ve been intelligent & witty.

      • Rodab

        Dear MaHmud and Dear Aman:

        To briefly summarize, what I said was the reason for Dejen’s indefinite imprisonment was to cover-up PFDJ leaders’ crime of not following standard procedure that resulted in the loss of a pilot and his fighter plane. They held him so he doesn’t expose them.

        God knows how Aman mistook that to mean I was defending the government. God also knows how MaHmud interpreted that to mean I was saying Dejen was treasonous.
        What are you two drinking these days?

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear Rodab: Correction accepted; you deserve an apology not just maEleish. I read your original post. Regarding your humorous question, I can assure you I am sicking with my coffee. I think we both agree on the body of my reply.

        • Amanuel

          Rodab
          I am glad you have clarified it. You first comments was some what ambiguous and Amanuel H and Mahmud are not guilty for reading between the lines. The suspicious side of me thought you were sitting on the fence and see how people react.

      • Amanuel

        Hi Mahmud
        This unit (committee) called Nitricc is canning and playing ignorant when it comes to the truth. What do you call mocking and degrading the history of imprisoned tegadelti while glorifying and defending the actions of slave drivers like IA? In a political persuasion there are some sections you will never win over but you have to crash them.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Amanuel; People have different tastes and reactions, usually I focus on the message at hand, You can see I dialogue with people who do not necessarily agree with me in a lot of areas, nitricc is not an exception; I don’t know, if we can not communicate with people of different views, then what is the use of it all? I usually, I specify the part I am endorsing or answering to , like the one above. I recognize also we do have different styles of communication and I would really appreciate if we could respect that. Some people use tense styles, others less tense. That’s just my opinion.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Mahmud
            I do respect your style of communication and do agree that you focus on the massage, however I was suggesting that some times it is important to differentiate your massage depending on who you are talking to. If some one is playing ignorant when the evidence is in front of him in black and white. What do you do? Felitu Xeskete AnasemA Kberwo eyu negeru.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan wa Sahlan Amanuel:
            ” if Eritrea is not for dejen, then, for whom? I ask that question from bottom of my heart and I have no answer for you till this moment. I am having a meeting with my own soul.
            Regarding taking position on this matter; well there is no alternative position to take; is there?”
            This is a part of a reply nitricc gave to SGJ, and;

            ” So, Dejen was simply in prison to cover up some once crime against the nation. He was a sacrifice lamb. He paid the price for some. It is injustice to the highest degree against the young man who wanted nothing but to serve his country and people. It is amazing his vibe and his sprite sounds intact. I mean after 15 years prison; you think a person to show some kind of attitude or resentment, nop not this man.”
            This is a portion of his reply which was the basis of my response to him. I don’t know if he is playign fool, I will have to take him on his words and encourage him to have a clear stand on condomning injustice. I believe if we really love our country and want to contribute in its saving, injustice is an area that we all can agree on, as dejen reiterated, the rule of law. We may all agree on the need of riddance of injustice, but may differ on politics. I know injustice is a general and mild word to describe what our people are enduring; people can use diffrent terms, but it boils down to one word: evil. When reply, it’s to the idea, not the person writing it. What else can I do? Some folks are easy and predictable others may have complicated ideas and emotions. I skip those idea I do not want to reply to and endorse or repond to those parts I agree with.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Mahmud
            I have seen these comments and all I can say is that time will tell if they are genuine or canning idea to avoid concrete facts.

    • Nitricc

      Tsa tse;
      Know you are talking something I find it worth fighting with Dejen.
      You preped him to be the head of the Eritrean Air Force. Not with out a fight. I have eyeing for that gig for a long time and work for it, so, if Dejen to have it, he will have tough times convincing the parliament. 🙂
      However; if Dejen agrees me we will have the nistiest and the most fearless Air Force known to Africa, then, only then I will accept the passenger sit. 🙂
      In a sirioues not; I can wait to work with him for a greater cause and greater good.
      We got work to do.

  • AboyTesfay
    • haileTG

      haha…Sofia told us that if one visits the US website for NED, they would find there the amount of money Ms Elsa Chyrum is paid to work as an activist (in fact she states $58000). That is good, very good Sofia, now can you tell us where to find how much Sofia is paid in order to engage in her current spree of wanton criminality against the Eritrean people?

      • Hope

        Just curious and for the sake of arguement,Hailat,did you confirm that story?If confirmed,is that ethical or moral,justifiabl–(so as to test you only)?
        In my opinion,I support Elsa Chyrum only because she has facts but from polirtcal point of view,I do not support her if she is an agent of teh CIA/NED
        Do you believe PFDJ would pay its activists that much money?

        • haileTG

          Hey Hope,

          Actually, that claim by Sofia is a lie. One recorded lumpsum grant was given to a group in South Africa in early 2000s (amounting to $30000) to translate leaflets on peaceful resistance tecniques. Again, endowment funds are just that. Receiving grants is not immoral (actually the opposite). PFDJ community centers actually raise large amount of money by seeking grants from endowment funds for Arts and other similar community development programs. I know that Elsa works out of devotion and in the end what matters is the value generated in making our lot’s condition better. PFDJ does pay in many ways. There are direct payments, opportunities to embezzle and other indirect benefits.

          This is what Sofia is referring to: http://www.ned.org/where-we-work/africa/eritrea-0

          the interesting part is where you say “I do not support her if she is an agent of teh CIA/NED”. Here you need to state exactly the nature of threat that you’re facing from this parties. And you think by taking a side against Elsa, you would be in a better position to defend from CIA/NED. Let the regime worry about its hold to power, you need to worry about your hold on those who are committing crimes against your people. What if the regime claims Dejen was recruited by CIA? Would that make it OK for you to swallow the facts on the ground?

          Dejen was one of the other 3 pilots who would have been required to give evidence to the EECC as regards the work of the Eritrean Airforce, specially in regards the damage claimes put forth by Ethiopia and Eritrea’s defence that it did all it can to prevent accidents but the pilots were novice. Well, two of them died and one disappeared. But what is the point of all of this, we can either reject the regime and be on the side of justice or half buy into its BS on CIA bla bla and wake up one day to witness the country disintegrating as another Somalia.

          • Hope

            Hailat,
            I know you are playing politics and your principle is–“Weed out PFDJ -by any means possible”.
            We all know how the CIA/the Western intelligence work.
            They use every evil act under the SUN to stabilize nations,specially those who follow Independent Paths and against those who do NOT obey to the New World Order and against those who stand against their interest.
            -Money
            -Mercinaries
            -Religion
            -Terrorists
            -Dictators
            -Civil Wars–etc,to mention few
            All the above have been applied on Eritrea–with hard core facts.Hence, I do not want to see Eritrea to be like Syria,Libya,Afghanistan,Iraq,S Sudan,etc—-
            From the above point of view,I do NOT support Ms Elsa et al if the end result is to destabilize Eritrea like what have happened in other Nations,which cannot be ruled out.
            What I would like to see is the way the PFDJ is doing to raise Funds,i.e.,by mobilizing the Eritrean Public thereby raise Funds.
            Do not jump here and there now as the issue here is NOT about Dejen and other prisoner but CIA Agents and Mercenaries.I clarified my stand firmly on that issue.
            I am trying to clarify my stand on external inteferance and its negative consequences.
            Every thing Mrs Sofia T. has said so far on Eritrea,specially the role of the outsiders has been relatively correct.My problem with her is on the issues of the Human Rights,the issue of prisoners and Constitutional Governance.
            what surprised me about her interview was that the Interviewer was veryy soft on her–not sure why,unless the Radio is Pro-PFDJ.

          • Hope

            Please read stabilize as “destabilize Nations” on line three.

          • haileTG

            Hope,

            This is a political forum, it hosts political discussions, you, me and others are supposed to take political stands, what is confusing you so much to say “I know you are playing politics and your principle is–“Weed out PFDJ -by any means possible”? I am sorry but it is plainly preposterous that you expect different. Your “we all know that …” is pretentious because “we” didn’t all allow the useless, good for nothing, shameless and ignorant hgdef to play with our heads to the same degree. Some people have higher self respect and despise hgdef too much to listen to its cr@p. What we all know is that Eritreans are denied of their rights at home and misinformed abroad. If you wish to talk about security and political activities at a global or super power level, then you are obviously beyond us and need to tell us what your credentials are in international stage with movers and shakers of world politics. If you are just another guy bealching out out what you read in haddas ertra, well mashila le mashila teyayzo qola…you aint helping your case.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Hope,

            Are you fooled by the PFDJ conspiracy theory? Come on buddy, you are better than PFDJ. There is no external intervention and if there is they are working via PFDJ. And we have ample evidences for that.

            Hawka
            tes

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear haile TG,

        let’s also clear in that way to the PFDJites,

        Any registered organization has a budget and this budget is generated by different means. Regarding the Eritrean Human Rights Group, I don’t have much detail, but as a registered UK based non-profit making organization, he gets money through Donners, it is obvious and is the source is open to all who can ask for information (I am not talking in particular to Eritrean Human rights Group, just general). This being the truth, the main question that goes after is how the budget is spend? And for this, the donners always ask and is available to any who wants it. Sister Elsa and others who are working great, very great things are also organzing, travelling and conducting different activities. And sure they need a budget. A budget to live, a budget to conduct activity.

        I read a document prepared by PFDJ spying agents trying to report as big fndings regarding sister Elsa and sister Selam Kidane and others. Whether PFDJ like it or not, these are registered human rights activities groups and according to my undertanding they will get some funds depending on the proposal they prepare. This is a normal working procedure. let’s not spend energy chasing after PFDJ propaganda.

        D.Sophia (dictator Sophia T. DST) has a directorate position in US Foundation for the Horn of Africa

        He profile says, DST is an Eritrean-American analyst/writer with US Foundation for the Horn of Africa and What is then this US Foundation?

        Is she working for US? Yemane Monkey has also US nationality, Yemane Gebremeskel too, Osman Saleh, Hagosh Kisha and many others with in the PFDJ rank. Who is then receiving money?

        Anyhow, as my point here is regarding DST, dictator on her own way, has money which is generated/funded to her foundation, either from US or PFDJ. She is working constantly for PFDJ dictatorial regime by brainwashing innocent young Eritreans. Netom abeyti eko abey keterediom sean TigrignaÁ .. Lets expose her foundation as we are exposing PFDJ. In fact, her foundation is part of the PFDJ Ssystem under the banned of US.

        hawkum
        tes

      • SA

        HaileTG,
        It is clear that Elsa Chyrum and the other activists are getting under her skin. She was so defensive throughout most of the interview, especially when he asked her what she has personally done to those who passed through Sinai and those who need help in resettling. “I do not know where they are….And they did not come to me.” Perhaps, we need to chop that part, and share it. At any rate, it was good seeing her being defensive in her answers….
        SA

    • Semere Andom

      Charmed by the devil. She said, “we did not see him stealing” what more can DIA steal after robbing people like Dejen and G-15 their most precious property: their lives.
      And what is with the Tigirinya interviewers,they cannot ask the right questions, they sound like Eritrean media when throwing the soft balls, all the time
      Sem

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Aboy Tesfay,I thought she is intelligent, she it just like every PFDJ. most of PFDJistas I came across I know his back ground I never found single clean person but I don’t know about this women. Help me to get some information about her.

  • Denden

    Selam Eyod,
    Dejen has a lot teach Eritreans. Like the dead should not fear death. Eritreans as it is stand now are dead walking people. One dictator with his inner circles and zombie supporters has paralyzed the nation. Bankrupt Eritrea morally, economically, and militarily. If 0.0009% of Eritreans were as brave as Dejen and stood for justice, Eritrea won’t be an almost failed state as it is today. Don’t you agree?

    • Eyob

      I’m sorry but you make absolutely no sense at all. My friends stand corrected. While the opposition sits here reading and writing long comments and watching youtube clips, the government continues unfazed. The opposition is a bunch of hopeless dimwits.

    • Denden

      Eyob,

      First you asked what Dejen brought new to the table. When you are given answers, you start belittling the opposition and praising the very government who is responsible for throwing Dejen and many other innocent thousands Eritreans into prison for no apparent reason. A government arrest a citizen of the nation for 15 years and they don’t even have the minimum decency to tell him why he was arrested? This was unheard even in medieval period of middle ages! And you have no shame in praising such a savage system and pretend nothing happened to Dejen and it is business as usual.

      BTW – debating, exchanging ideas, communicating with each other (the long comments you referred) are part and parcel of a healthy society and communities.

  • Eyob

    No offense but what can this guy really tell us that we don’t already know. I think some of us are making something out of nothing. I hope he enjoys his freedom but quite frankly he won’t be making any dents against the government. And from discussions with people who have just come back from Eritrea, the opposition in the Diaspora has no true following or role in Eritrean affairs. Looks like reform/change will only come from within PFDJ.

  • DZ

    You have to be stupid to believe this story. I haven’t checked the youtube interview but the summary here is full of inconsistencies.
    In the unlikely case that he was jailed and managed to escape or was released after serving his time, sending him to psychiatric hospital would be a good idea. He may be hallucinating. But there is no doubt that this is a bogus story.
    BTW, when did Tsorona move to as close as 25-30 Km from Asmara? Ethiopian con artists usually make such obvious mistakes.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear DZ,

      Do you know what air distance is? biadgi eka tikedo nerka mesleni (May be you were using a donkey for transportation). And your other hallucination is nothing but still a hallucination. You need to go to a psychiatric hospital.

      Hawka
      tes

      *there are people like you that need basic geography class. We are patient enough even to teach you grade level 2, just open your closed eyes.

      • Denden

        Selam Tes,

        Per google aerial distance measurement it is around 75 km. But again, not sure where exactly the front was. Give and take it could be anything between 65-75 Kms aireal distance away from Asmara airport. That needs to be corrected.

        But the bottom line is, PIA agents and sympathizers will try to run away from the main point that Dejen and many thousands Eritreans are/were being held in prison hell holes in Eritrea for no reasons. And they will never address the core issues and will try to talk about irrelevant side issues or errors which really have no meaning what so ever ..

        Right now, PIA agents seems to be lost for words and perhaps clueless how to handle and attack Dejen case. I am sure, they are waiting for an official propaganda launch from their boss PIA to discredit Dejen’s story. Tough lucks not too many people are buying in to their cheap “Hasot” any more.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Denden,

          Could you tell me the difference between DIA and PIA? I know the first as it it stands to the Dictator Issaias Afewerki. How about the second?

          Hawka
          tes

      • tafla

        Tes,

        Maybe Dejen made a misstake. The air distance between Asmara and Tserona is 84 km.

        http://www.distancefromto.net/

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Tafla,

          He didn’t do a mistake. His intention was to say that the distance is not far. Imagine for a Mig-29 that can a speed of 2200 km/h, what is the time required to have a flight from Asmara to Tserona,

          Speed=distance/time, time = distance/speed=84km/2200=0.038 h = 2.29 minutes. therefore, the time taken even if the speed is at 1000km/h (of course it can not be for safety reasons) = 84/1000 = 0.084 hr = 5.04 minutes. Can you see now how close it is, just they need 10 minutes manoeuvrings. Just 10 minutes to hit your target and come back to the landing. This is what Dejen was saying. (physics for you tafla and for DZ, geography is enough)

          ABout Eritrean air-force

          http://www.madote.com/2010/02/pictures-of-eritrean-air-force.html

          Hawka
          tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR
          • tafla

            Tes,

            I have no problems with math (distance-time-velocity calculations), it would have been physics if you had included air resistance :-), It was just to inform you about the distance.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Tafla,

            I thought that dynamics is enough for you but also I didn’t forget. That is why I took 1000 km/hr for my calculation to include all conditions that can limit the flight to have maximum speed (Aerodynamic engineering and Aeronautical Engineering) My point is, let’s not reject something that is not valid for argument. Just for the sake of rejection lets not bring points that expose our ignorance.

            hawka
            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tafla sweet!
            “””I don’t have any problems with math…..but it would have been physics if you had included air resistance :-),”””
            You are cracking me up. Lol I was going to interject and gave it a little depth but you guys are doing fine and funny.

      • DZ

        Mr. Tes the Genius,

        My comments on the aerial distance, considers all the possible factors (including the circumstances during the battle and the enemy’s positions) to the best of my recollection and got the sense of the errors in the statement. But you immediately ASSUMED that you found someone who never got a chance to learn basic geography or physics … and started dancing naked. To your disappointment, you were dead wrong. There is no sense of bragging about how much you or I know on this or any other subject, for that matter, in this medium. If you need a hint, I hardly use google/GE to check anything in Eritrea. Nor do I need to triangulate to show a specific location in the country to my fellow Eritreans. This is the character of Eritreans, technically qualified or not.

        In normal cases, the distance error being discussed would not undermine the message as the presumed pilot is also a human being and can make mistakes. He could also be exaggerating the proximity simply to make his point, which would be fine. My point in asking the questions is to highlight that this could be another bogus story baked by Ethiopian con artists to fool some less informed Eritreans. I mentioned it earlier on my comments about the inconsistencies of the story. It takes no intelligence for any mature ERITREAN to understand the problem with the story but I also felt necessary to remind the readers. I do this when I feel I can help in setting the record straight, or alerting Eritreans of something that looks fabricated. As an example, the last time I posted my comment was about an Ethiopian, disguised as Eritrean, who was debating on this website on Eritrean affairs.

        Back to your syndrome of wrong assumption, it is a classic example of typical problems with Ethiopians’ from the Tigray region (not all Tegaru’s but those with “we know all” attitude.) They assume they know. They also assume the other side doesn’t know what they know, or even more than what they know. This same problem always leads them to believe that any rubbish story they invent might get a chance to survive in the minds of the Eritreans.

        Hallucination is a milder term I have used to give the subject the benefit of doubt for his claim of detention. Everything else seems to be a work of fiction. There is no point in going further, as I do not believe you have the ability to reason.
        Your childish remark of using donkeys for transportation made me feel that I may be talking to a least sophisticated person on the planet. If you don’t know the history or you are confused, let me give you a very important information. Brave Eritreans used donkeys and camels for military transportation during “tegadlo” that resulted in humiliating defeat of the enemies and liberation of the country. During peace time, Donkeys and camels are our planes, trains, cargos, and buses, in many part of the country. They are the source of our pride. Without them, Eritrea would have ended up becoming a country of a bunch of beggars’ like our neighbor. Donkey’s and camels are our treasures in Eritrea. Only losers undermine the Eritrean treasures.

        On understanding of geography, physics, or aerial distance calculation, etc… I quickly noticed the lack of deeper understanding you are suffering from, not only on the mentioned subjects, but also on the all topics you were commenting on. The hollowness is clear. After all, we all (adults) know that “those who say the most know the least”. I just wish I had a chance to correct you privately, but you moved so fast and made fool of yourself. You seem to be good at putting your hands on a hot burner, Mr. Intati’e or Tera’era’e.

        Mr. Intati’e, if you pay close attention, the comment is on the credibility of the story not on the circumstances in Eritrea, or the handlings of the government, etc…, as you wrongly ASSUMED. The reason for your problem of assumption could be because you are one of those whose abilities to evaluate what they read have been altered by the propaganda on the media. It could also be because you are from the Tigray region. I hope not the latter! That would mean I’ve wasted my time on a known problem. Grow up!
        Wedehanka.

    • Denden

      DZ – you have to be stupid NOT to believe this story. In Eritrea people get arrested for reasons no one knows for long years. What Dejen narrated the fate of thousands Eritreans at the hands of the merciless dictator. What is different here is Dejen planned and executed his escape and lived to tell his story as it was. Only such extra-ordinary people like Dejen are capable of such extra-ordinary preservation, determination, and heroism.

      Btw, you did not pointed out a single inconsistency except throwing a blanket accusation PIA way.

      • DZ

        Denden- The only way to come up with a reasonable judgment is to free yourself from all other biases. Yours is actually a good example, because you alreay have filled the page based on what you know or you feel, either from your experience or other sources. So anyone can come and tell rubbish story and here you are ready to accept. You are also close to adding me to your list of harassers, just because I used my common sense and couldn’t take the story at face value.
        That is exactly what I try to avoid but I am not going to tell you that I always excel on combating this problem.
        I agree with your last point, you cannot just doubt stories without providing a reason for your doubting.
        But you brought it up after you run out of ammunitions; how is my explanation on the gaps going to help getting you out of these beliefs? Nontheless, I used my common sense, the realities and conditions of the prison life, and compared all to the contents of the summary on awate.
        I will not ask you to ignore the story or agree with me but I urge you to take closer look at this and other similar stories, especially, if you are not familiar with the realities. Good luck!

        • Denden

          Selam DZ,
          From your last post, it seems to me that you are just being critical. And i have no issue with such stand. For me, this is not a random rubbish story picked from the internet jungle. Back in the valleys of Ararib (Sahil) at the tender age, I used to shared a blanket to cover myself with Dejen , I used to eat from the same “Rah’ba” made from cooking oild tin containers, I used to hide on the same underground (or go to “Bereka” ) from Ethiopian bombers Mig21 & 23, I used to share the same stone as a chair to seat on during classes …. so on and etc.

          I know Dejen what kind of person he is (niTsuh hiyaway, hurkut seb, goyita tebay). I knew he was in prison for all these past 15 years. It never occurred to me, he will be able to break from the prison hell hole at the heart of Asmara and set himself free. This is just to let you know I am closer to realities on this case.

          • DZ

            Selam Denden,

            I am not really being critical. And I had mentioned it on my earlier comment that I did not have a chance to check the interview. My comment was purely based on the summary provided on this website. No intention of discrediting your friend. I also do not see anything wrong with not believing.

            I understand your discomfort with my view on the story, especially, of someone you closely know. Here are few points I would like to make (my apology for my lengthy explanation but I strong believe that you need to understand my position too):

            – Anything that happens in Eritrea affects all Eritreans. Because of this fact, we know every single incident, good or bad, very well. As an example, you mentioned about your childhood experiences of hiding from enemy’s Mig fighters. Well, definitely you were not the only one; we all went through those horrible experiences, may be not at the same time, location, or of the same nature. This does not directly answer your question but the point I am trying to make is that we clearly know how things work in our country, and that includes the way prisoners are handled and the realities there.

            – Rest assured, if the news turns out to be true, it will be just a matter of time before I join you. But I have noticed serious gaps that led me not to believe the story at this point. If it turns out to be false, I will not blame you for not doubting it at first hand but I will certainly expect you to learn from that experience. I have been following such stories since these websites were launched and you will be shocked if I share the statistics with you. I sincerly admire their courage to keep going, despite the extremely low probability of getting things right.

            -Those that I call “con artists” often use our unfortunate experiences and other factors to come up with their bogus stories to create panics or even make us hate anything in back home. They ASSUME we lack good senses and judgments, therefore they try anything they believe may bring them something. I do not expect the type of information we get to be always the same, of course. Showing some kind of creditability is the core of the business. Therefore, they will have to do anything, including buying those we think we know very well and trust, to make their story appear credible.

            – Q&A on Freedom of doing wrong and lack of accountablitiy. Let me uses this example: the false news of the death of PIA. Who was the source of that false report? Was it Assena? What is the purpose of that sort of report? I believe, because that is what they do for living. That’s, they are hired to do so. Were they held accountable for their rubbish report ? No. Why? Those who pay them also provide them full protection because they are servants of their interests. Would they be in business if they had falsely report about the leaders of the countries they operate from? Absolutely not. Who do you think the target of their scam? We, the diaspora, the honest and perceived to be eager to accept anything that has to do with our country. No body living in the country follows these scammers. You will be laughed at if you bring their names. I made fool of myself for mentioning about a story I read on aware.com in 2009.
            BTW, the false rumor on PIA ’s death was reported when I was in Asmara. I was one of the last to hear about the rumor because things in the city were normal, or BAU (business as usual). How did I hear about it? From a relative in US who was so worried about our safety and the chaotic situations he was told about as a result of the presumed death of PIA 🙂

            You have to understand, living abroad itself is stressful enough. Relying on reports by people whose only source of joy contingent on bad news from Eritrea will make your life a nightmare.

            Last but not least, please do not relate or interpret my view as supporting or opposing the political circumstances in Eritrea. I am clear from any sort of influence. Just telling the truth based on my experiences and understandings.

            Best of luck!

    • haileTG

      Wow…CIA, Fictional and now, released after time served….I guess it must be a bliss to rule a country of 80% subsitence farming population. Any way, can you figure out the distance from Asmara airport to the northern edge of the Hazemo plains (that includes the Hazemo town of Tsorona). May be tafla can help you with that 🙂 [my calculation makes it to be 25 – 30 kms, what does your physics say 🙁

      • DZ

        You may be mistaking Asmara to Adigrat.

      • DZ

        Did I saying that you may be confusing Asmara with Adigrat? That’s what looks like the problem with your calculation.
        No physics calculation or map is needed for adult Eritreans to come to get rough idea of the distance from Asmara to Tsorona. Just common sense and knowledge of the country. If you are serious about your numbers, you should compare them with the updated/correction by the AT. It should be close to 90km.
        Ruling/population etc…. are Eritrean affairs. And as long as we are not on the streets begging… we are happy.

        • haileTG

          don’t be a fool, move on. Don’t you have anything else to do than be comparing street distances all day long. Esfatsioni dika 🙂

          • DZ

            Well, as it turned out, the only important topic in this platform was the test on the distance. Because it involved a number and number do not lie. That was not the intention but it brought up very important information. Most of the people do not know what they are talking about. Not because of their wrong answer but because of their wrong approach, lack of using common sense, and the problem of paying attention…. most of the time off topic….. They just go on and on. Interestingly, the question was asking about the distance (how far) and some of the answers were the time it takes (how long it takes)… To be fair, yours was not one of those type…. and errors are common in all human beings. Only Tegaru see it is as a big deal, because they know very little.
            The reality: most of the political discussions are full of similar problem. Endless talks with no value, and 95% of them off topic. It has been this way for the last 13+ years… and only gets worse.
            – You are right I am Esfatsioni, getting paid very low. That’s why I said “Yrda’eka” I didn’t have changes… my income only keeps me out of becoming street beggar. Kitekub Aykieln’ye. Don’t think I am insensitive or cheap. I used to be very generous. My first job working at my family’s business in Asamara was “mitquab”… giving all sort of changes to dozens of Tegaru’s (some of them young men) every morning. At home, especially, on Sundays and holidays… giving leftover foods. I know a lot about giving but there is a hard reality here: It cost too much to wire pennies. No offense.

            BTW, do you hear Tegaru’s appreciating the generosity of Eritreans during their street begging life? Do people in Tigray talk about it? I always wonder about this because it was quite costly to the Eritreans…. not only the money but also the mess and degradation of quality of life of seeing thousands of beggars of all ages in our streets every morning.
            That was to explain the situations in Asmara in 1980s…, sorry if you find anything offensive.
            If I may ask you: what part of Tigray are you from? I have only been to Adigrat, Idaga-Hamus, and Mekele.

          • Selam DZ, (and to a lesser extent, others)

            Kindly let it to rest. You obsession with identity of people is not healthy. Kindly move on and help us keep this forum productive.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Awate,

            Thank you for giving us the chance to share our feelings (although I am a causal visitor I don’t have a good reason as to why we are coming here and not doing the discussion in Ethiopian website), and entertaining few bastards and hooligans who badmouth the people of Tigray.

          • Selam Rahwa,
            Badmouthing is part of the corrupt political culture of our region, we have to do our part in improving it. But you are at home, everyone is welcome here.

          • DZ

            [Moderator: Selam DZ, I am not deleting your message so that you revise what you wrote. 1) awate.com sets the policies and not you. You have to play by the rules of the house. 2) we have allowed people to use nicks because it is the norm (please check our posting guidelines and follow it), 3) You cannot force people to disclose their identity, you can question it, but insisting on attacking people based on your perception of their identity is considered a disruption and a violation of our guidelines. Please respect that. 4) If one begins to question the identity of people based on speculation, there is a good chance they might be wrong, unfair or unnecessarily combative–being wrong is human, being disrespectful, unfair and combative doesn’t help this forum and we ask you to change your approach. You have accused people you do not know of being children of Derg, spies and other names. That is paranoia because you have no way of proving it and this forum is not a court set to sentence people based on their identities. 5) we demand abiding by our guidelines, if we feel like changing, we will do it on our own. We do not appreciate anyone trying to impose their policies on this forum. Thank you for cooperating]

            Selam AT,

            It is good the “Identity” problem caught your attention. I welcome your feedback and would like to inform you that I take no pleasure for bringing such sensitive topics in any form of my communications. In fact, this is probably the ONLY forum I have attempted to learn the identity of individuals involved in discussions. I wonder why?
            Part of the answer lies in the fact that Awate.com is full of people who prefer to hide their identity in order to get their messages across, during their discussions on Eritrean affairs. It is not that I or anyone else is personally interested knowing any of these utterly confused individuals but it helps to understand who is writing what, before you accept their comments. This by itself may not make full sense, however.
            Almost all of the comments for/against the political systems in Eritrea, to put it in mildest term, are not sincere. They are often filled with nasty remarks and very disrespectful to the country and its people. As a citizen, regardless of your political views, you start to wonder why people who have no role in the real-world, other than posting rubbish and often off topic, comments on the internet would want to go that far to make their points. And you start to dig in deeper to understand their background. You are already aware that many of them are Ethiopian scammers but you also try to check if there are any Eritreans in the mix. After all, you are dealing with the children of the Derg’s Spies or “Hizbi Dehninet,” that know the Eritrean way of communicating very well. Some of them were the spies themselves, and they were good at looking Eritreans. Of course, there is additional sad part to this: they are also doing it on OurFirstHero com (awate.com), not on alula com, or menelik com. The name of the site itself helping them (or at least leads them to believe,) look Eritrean more so than any other place.
            Let me be clear: I have no problem with Eritreans discussing their country’s affairs. No problem either with Ethiopians who post their comments on Eritrean affairs as long as they are doing it “as Ethiopian.” My problem is with the Ethiopians hiding their identity blended the Eritrean internet-crowed . Disguised as Eritreans, and sometimes calling the rest of us as fellow Eritreans, it is fair to say that these scammers dominate the awate forum. I hear “Duh!” Nonetheless, I still believe that they need to be confronted to reveal their Identity by all Eritreans, regardless of their political view.
            With the above intention, I just could not see the logic behind your claim that I may be hurting your forum. How does asking for the right information hurt a forum that calls itself “informational”? Why would people want to hide their identity (NATIONALITY) if their comments are backed by good intentions? How is that possible for someone to talk freely about other country’s affairs, work day and night to establish credibility, yet he/she gets offended when someone from the victim country asks for the simplest question- the Identity? Confusing! Commentator on other forums often, even if it is not needed, start their sentences by acknowledging their country of origin. The Nigerian e-mail /phone scammers sometimes tell you where they are calling from. It is only a taboo for Ethiopian scammers!
            And the Awate moderators consider it as a SIN. Can Awate get at least this part right?
            In any case, I will use your feedback or request, which is not quite legitimate but still appreciated,” as a reminder to be more sensitive and to make sure my quizzes do not offend others unnecessarily. This is important because it is possible that there will be readers not involved in many of those nasty comments, and they serve respects.

            BTW, I am Eritrean.

            DZ

          • Rahwa T

            DZ,

            AmlakH yimHarka

          • DZ

            [Moderator: DZ, this is a put down from the old Dehai. It is not allowed. If you do not want to debate, just stop commenting.]

            Yrda’ekin!

    • Mig29

      DZ
      MIG 29 has top speed 2500 km/hr and cruise speed 1500 km/hr. For the sake of argument, lets say Dejen is flying his MIG 29 from Asmara to Tserona at cruise speed. How long will it take him a round trip from Asmara to Tserona?? 🙂 🙂

      • DZ

        Mig29,

        I think the discussion or my comment was on distance (Km). We can fly at the speed of light (which is 3*10^8 m/s) and the distance remains the same but we certainly get there faster (time or in hour or sec). I am sure you will understand what I meant if you think through this carefully.
        =>There was a very smart professor by the name Tesfabirhan (Tes) WR (from the Department of Aerospace Engineering) that had a lecture on the distance calculation earlier today. If you missed his lecture, you may want to take a note from the rest of his students; he was so good at it.
        Please note that it would be unwise to continue going back and forth and try to proof basic distance calculation. I just commented on that part because I thought there was an obvious mistake there and may encourage others to carefully read before they jump into conclusion. I could also be wrong and you could check and correct me, wouldn’t you?

  • Beyan Negash

    [Moderator: Dear Beyan, At has nothing to do with the popularity of an article. It is up to readers to comment or engage on any articles. As for the exposure, all articles are treated equally, they stay on top as they are published and go to the second, third, fourth and fifth place as new articles are posted. Of course, columnists have their own section where their articles stay for a while on the second level of the website. If you check the articles you will find they are sequenced by posting dates. In short, whether an article becomes popular or not, AT has nothing to do with it. One more thing, the menu is broken and we are hoping to fix it soon.]

    I kid you not! A good friend called to tell me that it is not blampadena but bTsa Tsetat tdelle allekha lomis. Well, I read your pieces with great interest, and as usual you just have a way with words, my friend.

    One thing that I wanted to speak to is this: you mentioned my piece did not get that much attention. Guess what? The pre & post maybe at work with AT. I see articles that were posted before and after mine getting their due exposures, but mine seems to have disappeared into oblivion in the mysterious virtual world, which is is entirely conceivable that it may have fallen through the cracks – who knows? Eske Tsa Tse Arkay addalyanni artiklay ekko Tefatnni.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Beyan,

      Kind advice, send an article because you have an idea not to dominate idea or because you will engage the forum in debate. Then, it is your idea that it will talk with the forum, not you. There are two things that we should know. The awate.com as publisher and the forum as readers. One can not live without the other but awate as publisher comes first. What I mean is, if they welcome you, that is 100% success. then all the forum can read and of course they read. And to put comments or engage in debate under the title is another thing.

      regarding your article, yes it was great but more hot articles came which are very timely, like a river flow, and are giving us a constant push to cope up. Therefore, be here because your idea is here. Your contribution is a document now for ever. We will refer it when ever we want it. awate.com is not only for posting, it is for documenting, a document that enriches the Eritrean archive. It is now one of the biggest archive center for Eritreans. Think that way and let’s be happy to put our ideas in this big library. I am just sharing my perspective as I am like you who is always eager to see my ideas to get attention though wrong.

      This is how I see awate.com and when ever I plan to send an article. If I am accepted for publication, I feel good because one I have added some ideas to the Eritrean Intelligentsia and second I am adding to that archive for further references. And if it caught attention immediately the awate forum will discuss, debate or criticize at any time. Sorry if I am not ok with my brotherly advice but this is how I understand things here.

      hawka
      tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Merhaba Beyan,

      I don’t think it has to do with AT. It has to do with the character of the Eritrean people. They enjoy news more than anything. They are news consumers than anything. We aren’t solution and educational oriented people. Even if you check the debates, it isn’t on the piece written, but on issues that hasn’t to do anything to the subject matter. So complain to the Eritrean people (awatista in particular) not with AT.

      Amanuel

  • Rodab

    So why was he jailed, exactly?
    Well the jailers might not have officially informed Dejen of his wrongdoings and the basis for his arrest. But the reason is as clear as daylight. It has to do with the standard procedures not being followed after one of our fighter planes got shot down. The mistake of not following the procedure costed us another Pilot and another fighter plane. This is treason 101 and in the eyes of the officials, everything has to be done to prevent leakage of this serious crime against the nation. Everything, including indefinite imprisonment of Dejen. So that is precisely the reason. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out either. That is also the same reason as to why Biweded Abraha, G15 and many others are languishing endlessly. The minute you release them, the day the secrete will be out, and the week the regime will be put under control. In a way, it seems we are asking for far too much (in the eyes of the government) when we call for the immediate release of political prisoners. In other words, we are directly calling for the end of the regime itself. And the hard pushback we get then becomes the norm and hardly surprising. Peace!

    • Hope

      Rodab,
      Are you an Ex-EPLF? You seem to know all the dirty tricks of the EPLF/PFDJ Leadership?
      Yes,as simple as—–and the same arguement applies as to why the ratified constitution is not implemend.I hope Asmera Rose et al get it as this is 2+2=4.
      The G-15 were arrested for asking legitimate questions;many,many innocent people were killed for the same reason,i.e.,for asking right questions and to hide secrets of Major Crimes.
      You remember why the only surviving Tegadaly from Ibrahim Afa’s(Agamet Incident) Team was chased to death?
      Do you know as to why every person who is affiliated with a Senior Official,who is killed,kidnapped,”died”,etc—gets the same fate?The same thing applies.
      Take the case of Ali Said Abdela where all his group members were immediately arrested and kidnapped.
      My own uncle,who was one of the Top Cecurity Officers ,who was the main agent for buying all the SAM-7s/anti-Air Craft and who was rolling around in the heart of Addis Abeba acting as an Arab Tourist with an Arab Passport,during the 1999 Ethio-Eritrea War and close confidente of Mr.Petros Solomon was stoned to near death after Petros was arrested—-now allegedly released after he developed permanent TBI(Traumatic Brain Injury) with no memory at all, to the extent of not even remembering his own kids and wife.
      Too late now–after losing all the genius,intellectuals,heros and heroins,etc—-the whole Youth included.
      I say it again as I said it before: the Eritrean public/Eritreans) is/are the dummiest people I have ever seen,Tihim zibele Yitahagom,as that is the TRUTH.
      Despite sacrificing to the maximum for its own FREEDOM,,still being the victims of the same DEVIL??
      Talking non-stop like a Parrot is not gonna to help.
      Nittric/Semere Tesfay,are you there?
      Bro Mahmoud Salih,can you tell us more about this kind of atrocities your EPLF leaders were commiting against your own comrades/innocent Teghadelti or your were threatened to death to keep things secret,as usual?
      Mister akibu-(keep secrets)–bla ….bla–was the norm and the legacy of the day.
      Yes, FEAR and Death Threats were, and have been,the only reasons that kept quite all the witnesses of all these atrocities,besides being part of these atrocities,directly and indirectly(Guilty feeling).
      And then what is NEXT? Just keep quite and do NOTHING—until the Nation and the whole people get decimated??
      Hailat,did your question get answered, at least partially, as to why Demhit is surrounding Asmera now?
      The Devil is scared to death now—as his tactics are failing miserably.I give you credit for what you have been doing,though belatedly…..as you claimed that you were an ardent PFDJ supporter until recently.
      Anta Amlak,why have You forsaken us?
      “Elohie,elohie,Lemma sebektani(old Hebrew)….meaning,”My Lord,my Lord,why did you forsake me”?
      Semere Tesfay and Hailat,that was why I was desperately appealing to God as every thing has failed us.
      Semere Tesfay—you belittled my appeal to God saying :”We are the CAN DO people”.Where is that can do people now?I call this people: “The can do NOTHING people”.
      Hiji ewin entekhone,the only/INKO solution to this devil’s acts is turning to God and ask for his Forgiveness.
      May the Lord of the lords,help us and have Mercy on us.
      Hope,Faith,Love—will do the job.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Hope

        You said, “Semere Tesfay—you belittled my appeal to God saying :”We are the CAN
        DO people”.Where is that can do people now?I call this people: “The can
        do NOTHING people”.”

        Hope, I’m sorry I left you that impression and I’m sorry if I have offended you in any way. I never said it, to hurt you personally. I never said it to belittle your faith or your appeal to God. Again I apologize for offending you. And to go back to our discussion, this is what I can say:

        – We all, even when we are faithful (believers) and even when we are commitment to our God, still we are people of FREEWILL. Everyday we make choices and we reap the harvest of our choices. Everyday we take action/inaction for things that affect us personally, and we are FULLY RESPONSIBLE for our action/inaction. God gave you, me, and us all what he gave to Isaias and PFDJ. If Isaias can do it – whatever it may be (assuming without help from God) there is no rational reason why we can’t do it – again whatever that might be. That was the point I was trying to make.

        – Also you said: “Bro Mahmoud Salih,can you tell us more about this kind of atrocities your EPLF leaders were commiting against your own comrades/innocent Teghadelti or your were threatened to death to keep things secret,as usual?”

        – I don’t know about which innocent Tegadelties atrocities you’re talking about, but I can tell you this with absolute confidence. The military world is completely different world which has its own rules and code of conduct. You can’t have a strong disciplined army without strict, no nonsense rules. The military has its own military lawyers and its own military courts (when a soldier is court martialed). And there is a valid reason for that. You can’t have two sets of rules (military and civilian) and have one court for all. Civilians are ignorant about the rules of the military and military tribunals.

        – Therefore in democratic Eritrea, the military will always be the military and the civilian world will always be a civilian world – and all would be judged by JURY OF THEIR PEERS.

        Wedehanka

    • dawit

      Thanks Rodab for your ‘treason 101’ class lesson. It helps especially those of us ‘HIGDEF-MENDEF’ crowed to digest the complicated subject of ‘Standard Procedure’ of Governments.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Rodab,

      I think You are trying to walk on the PFDJite’s way of thinking ( I mean those who don’t know the reason like us but defend the regime’s wrong doing at any cost). Those who trust the regime as “God in trust” or as everything can do -“theYekeAlo Myth” will always tell us, “without wrongdoing” they will not put him in prison. Not only you try to walk on their way of thinking, you went beyond that to cook a case of wrong doing for reasons of jailing him. If the jailers couldn’t say anything about Dejen’s wrongdoing why would you do on behave of them? Why couldn’t they bring him in the court of law themselves? Of course, I am sure you will not hesitate to share your reason as to why they didn’t bring him to the court of justice also. But Rodab once you are trapped to such kind of argument, when the truth comes out, you will be guilty by association for the simple reason “you are making “wrong case” against Dejen on behalf of them.

      Hawka,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • haileTG

        Selamat Rodab and Aman,

        An anti-oppressive practice researcher once wrote ““People get used to anything. The less you think about your oppression, the more your tolerance for it grows. After a while, people just think
        oppression is the normal state of things. But to become free, you have to be acutely aware of being a slave.”

        I would go further by adding that oppressed people do sometimes show the tendency to manifestly defend (Rodab is merely explaining) their oppressors. Oppression is mediated by loss of opportunity, lack of choice, poverty, restriction, control, scapegoating, de-skilling.. (read Wolfensberger and Thomas, 1983). The oppressed, when they normalize these mediating social processes through self sacrificial argumentations in favor of their oppressors, they lose sight of their overall direction in the fight to regain their lost dignity and equality of status. They get trapped in a feedback loop that reinforces their conditions and they also, somewhat counter intiutively, appear to justify what they also seem to be most bitter about. They know the mediating factors (the oppressive processes) to be harmful to their well being, but are also cought in a self devaluating mindset at the same time which would misdirect them to search for a justification to their condition rather than take risk to free themselves. They often have poor perception of themselves and can’t allow to visualize in equal footing with their oppressors.

        So, I am afraid our people are conditioned to surrender their dignity and normalize to the notion of them not being good enough to speak in equal terms. Unless we believe it, it won’t happen. It is just not the sort of thing one can fake at will. It is a way of thinking.

        Regards

        • Semere Andom

          Hi HaileTG:
          I am a little bit familiar with the work of Thomas and Wolfensberger also I agree with you on what happened to our people. When you hear Dejen having so much trust on his captors for 4 years, and his trust is not based on facts but on brain washing, you cringe. I suspect that ar little bit familiar with my mild opposition to the PFDJ :-), but an equally malignant scourge is ignorance and this was the main reason the people like DIA brainwashed our people during the ghedli. He went to China he picked some skills, he was high school grad, so he could read, as a choir member in his church he read the Bible and picked some of its old tricks from the old testament, and he had the will to go as far as killing his own high school friends to helm the organization. Most tegadalai did not have this luxuries,

          But todays PFDJ supporters like dawit and nitricc suffer from different kind of ignorance. The example that dave provided about 6 million prisoners in USA and compared it with the name less and countless of Eritreans in the dungeons is at the pinnacle of. In the USA and Canada no one goes to prison without being charged for a crime and without his Miranda rights read to him. No USA president puts even a druggy homeless person, or a one celled PFDJ supporter to prison and definitely no one disappears indefinitely like the G-15, not in the USA, not even in the former SA. Mandela and his comrades were in prison, but the world knew where they were and their loves ones were allowed to send them letters,this is why every supporter of PFDJ you meet he abhors Mandela and South Africa and loves and admires the former dictator of Libya. We are dealing with people who cannot distinguish between these differences. But it is our business to save these people from their demonds let the PFDJ worry about them. Dejen’s embodies both the existence of hope in the amid of gloom that PFDJ and its supporters have created and also he exudes what is wrong with our mind set, to trust your oppressor without a smidgeon or a hint of good ever coming from him.
          The longer this pictures persists the gloomier the future becomes as the ignorance of those who cannot think for themselves and those who are only want freedom for themselves become viral

          Sem

          • haileTG

            Hey Sem

            What we see in those types of comparisons and desperate attempt to justify the indefensible are all symptomatic of the conditioning to normalize their oppression. The thought of redemption and freedom can be highly terrifying experience, at least on the emotional level, to these people who have normalized their status to be lower than their oppressors. It is much easier to numb themselves through useless argumentation than face the prospect of turning their long held belief up side down. Oppressors sell safety from terrible outsiders, they are paternalistic, they think for you, they speak for you, they decide for you. Nobody (including yourself) can be trusted to make sound judgement for bettering your conditions than your oppressor (in their twisted reasoning). They have distinctive mental lamp posts to only see their safety and well being on the self sacrificial altar for the gratification of their oppressors. This is why IA uses old photographs of himself, in a certain pose, it helps to reinforce the pristine and safe illusion of a world that doesn’t exist. You can surely rescue few people at a time, but to save a whole population, you’d need to confront the oppressor, humiliate his ways and restore the alignment of self ownership by defeating the oppressor at a mental level. Remember when Petros Selomon told us that IA and co. were spending thousands of dollars a night with prostitutes in Japan. Imagine if images of that was to be publicized? It would have shocked and rocked the blind supporters to instant conversion away from slave mentality. Hence, the fight is much more at psychological and emotional levels, because their body and mind is numbed and can’t be expected to respond logically.

            Regards

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Haile, Emma and Sem-Andom,

            It is an honor and learning experience to read your take on oppression and its power on innocent people especially those who have experienced little or no freedom.

            Thank you all.

            Ghezae Hagos

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ghezae (my man),

            A lawyer could also play as a political arbitrator in a very heated debate. I sensed in you a calmness and listening ability in an Eritrean political argument. That is a rare commodity in a political dialogue. I sense a considerable weight in the acquaintance of knowledge and the concept of mind, and how to utilize it, and you showed it in the focused and targeted task of your struggle. My call to you is, as a young lawyer we have the environment where you could play a great role to build a political experience that you could help yourself and your country. We are looking for the young generation to take the stock of our nation. So I want to see from you more involvement in the debate.

            Hawka,

            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Ahlen Hailat (Haile-TG),

          The other way of explianing the reason why the “murderer Issayas” become a murderer as we know is, the organizational structure that makes him to grow the way he is. Rakel Dink, wife of assassinated American journalist Hrant Dink, as reported in the LA Times, had said the following : “The murderer was once a baby. Unless we can question the darkness that turned this baby into a murderer, we cannot achieve anything.”

          Now Hailat, (if Saay and others of PFDJ-2 are reading me) there will be no any answer to our questions, if we don’t examine the environment where Issayas was cultivated his political career and is groomed as a despot. There is no answer without questioning the EPLF/PFDJ political structure and political culture during and after the liberation. “We can’t eliminate the “structure of oppression” by getting rid of the rulers” (Deutsch,2006). Think about this. If we understand the core problem as a system built in for purposes of oppression, dehumanization, and exploitation, then we should know where our struggle should focus – and that is to the organizational environment that brought Issayas as a despot with his wrath against our people, especially against our youth..

          Senay MeAlti,

          Amanuel Hidrat

  • ChangeIZcomming

    Dear Awate team,
    could you please translate the last part (part 6) of Dejens interview.

  • Khedijah Ali

    So proud of Assena and Awate Team. Tesfa alona.

  • Papillon

    ክቡር ፕረዚደንት ሃገረ ኤርትራ ደጀን ዓንደ ሒሸል ኣብ ናይ መወዳእታ ቃለ መሕተቱ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ለበዋ ኣብ ዘተሓላለፎ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ምስ ሕግን ፍትሕን ደው አንተኢሉ ሃገርና ናብ ራህዋ ዘይትሳጋገረሉ ምኽንያት የለን ኢሉ

    [From moderator: Papillon, what kbur president said is, “who is Dejen? I don’t know him. If I don’t who he is, how can I know where he is?” :)]

  • Rodab

    መዓላትኩም ሰብ ገዛ፣
    ግሩም ዝኾነ ጽሑፍ ጋንታ ዓዋተ።
    ብርግጽ ሓው ደጀን ኩነታቱን ኩነታት ኣብያተ ማእሰርትን ብደቂቕ ብምግላጽ ዝርዝራዊ ሓበሬታ ሂቡ። ምስክርነቱ፣ በቲ ሓደ ወገን ዓመጽን ግብረእከይነት መንግስትን ኣብ ምቅላዕ ዓቢ ኣበርክቶ ይገብርዩ፣ በቲ ሓደ ወገን ከኣ እቲ ስርዓት ነዚ ዝተዋህበ ሓበሬታ፣ ኩነታት እሱራት ኣብ ምትራርን ዝያዳ ቁጽጽር፣ ዝያዳ ሓለዋ፣ ዝያዳ ግፍዕታት ኣብ ምግባርን የውዕሎዶ ዝብል ስክፍታታት ይፈጥርዩ። ነቶም ተመሳሳሊ ስጉምቲታት ክወስዱ ዝሓስቡ ዘለዉ ግዳያትከ ነቲ መደባቶም ብኣሉታዊ መገዲ ክጸልዎዶ እኽእል ኢልካ ምሕሳብውን ይከኣል። ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ግን፣ ዋላ ምስቲ ኩሉ ሳዕቤናቱ ምቅልዑ ዝሓይሽ ከይኮነ ኣይተርፍን ዝብል ግምት ኣለኒ። ሕብእብእ ሽፍንፍን ኣቢልካ ምኻድ ይጠቅም ነይሩ እንተዝኸውን ቀደም ምጠቐመ ነይሩ።
    ክብረት ይሃበልና።

    • Hope

      I agree Rodab,but,-hey,Risk-Benefit analysis should be considered and in my opinion,the Benefit out weighs the risk as this will help the people(if at all we undertsand and get it as people)to wake up and do something sooner than later.
      I admire you again for answering the “toughest” quesion ever:
      “Why is DIA doing all these crimes?”
      “Why has DIA kept hostage the Ratified Constitution?”
      “Why has DIA been kidnapping and killing all these “innocent” people and Heros and Heroins?”
      Very ” tough” qeustions but very simple answer:Just simply to cover his crimes.

      • Hope

        BTW,do we know why the ex-Eritrtean Air Force Commander,Gen Habtetsion, has been in jail –back and forth?The same trick applies here.The AT gave us a hint yrs back.
        The whole post- Forto/wedi Ali Incident saga–of kidnapping Senior Officials,the deadly” car accident” of the Generals,who were showing some reservations/expressions…etc—could part of the same tricks.
        “Ezni zelewo yisma’A;aini zelewo dima yire’E”

  • Awet

    undeliverable story! God know how many braves Eritreans like Dejen are langushing in the prison of Hadefdef. After 15yrs of imprisonment for Dejen to come out and give such well articulated interview is amazing to say the least. I wish you all the best Dejen.

  • ghezaehagos

    “… It took him years to realize that by merely asking what his crime was, he was accusing the government of imprisoning innocent people and thus committing a crime and increasing his punishment. It took him years to realize it wasn’t the prisoners who had committed crimes, but it was the government which was committing a crime by detaining the innocent…” Awate Team report on Dejen AndHishel.

    http://awate.com/dejen-ande-heshal-the-prison-breaker/

    From Martin Amis’s Koba the Dread, mirroring the 1930s Stalinist Russia’s purges.

    “Stalin (Isais) tortured, not to force you to reveal a fact, but to force you to collude in a fiction.” I love that quote, repeated by Eskindir Nega on his letters from Kaliti.
    “When she hears that a friend had been picked up (this was in the early 1930s), Nadezhda Mandelstam said: Zachto? Anna Akhmatova lost patience. Don’t you understand, she said, that they are now arresting people for nothing.”

  • Amanuel

    Hi AT
    Well done, excellent job. I just want to add which I think is significant issue.
    Dejen said he and his comrade decided to approach IA and tell him about their premature graduation as he is the head of Eritrean Arms Forces and also they (Dejen and his comrade) saw him (IA) as a father. After discussing who should tell him (after playing paper, scissors and rock, Dejen lost and he had to tell him). At the graduation ceremony he (Dejen) told him and IA dismissed it by saying a student who complains about his teacher is weak.
    I think Dejen crime is his decision to tell the truth.

    • Hope

      Dear Emma,
      I thought that is/was the whole FACT/ISSUE—The only and the ONLY reason why –people have been languishing,being kidnapped,killed,arrested–etc…for the most part.

  • too good to be true

    If it is sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
    This is the work of fiction folks.
    That’s why nobody is taking it seriously.

    • haileTG

      hey tgtbt,

      Far from it. Fictional stories normally have lose points that don’t correspond to reality. Dejen went on for 6hrs on end and no contradiction, everything he said perfectly makes sense by verifying with unrelated statements by others (listen to wedi afro who spoke in 2012 about how the USA embassy staffers were transferred to Carchelli…) It just is impossible to listen to half a day long speech and find NO CONTRADICTION other than say…oops sounds fiction to me!! The best cover for the PFDJ is to say it was CIA plot and operation, this way they don’t have much to answer and supporters would easily sooth to sleep once they know hgdef is soooo heroic that it is fighting the pentagon. The fiction argument is stupid, forget it.

      • too good to be true

        If it smells like fiction, walks like fiction and reads like fiction…guess what? It is fiction.

        • Denden

          [Moderator: Denden, please refrain from telling people to stay away from this forum. Everybody has the right to be here as long as they abide by the posting guidelines.]

          tsemam hade derifu zibehal … kemi kemaka eYu tgtbt.
          If you want to live in a fiction land, the choice is entirely yours. if you still have few working neurons up in your head (i assume your neuron count has been damaged by exposure to EriTV), then stick to your fictitious life and stay away from Awate forum.

          • Hope

            Nice of you,Moderator….tolerance-and inclusiveness!!-What a great lesson and example as those are what are missing in Eritrea and Eritrean politics!Keep it up.
            Add to it COMPROMISE and Reconciliation—I will give you an A+

    • Hope

      Are you serious? Are you from Venus?
      Have you ever visited Eritrea at all? or did you try to visit the Karshelis?

  • Kokhob Selam

    I don’t have doubt of his history , I rather wonder how many of our heroes have been killed when trying to go out of the prison? there are a lot of untold stories to be investigated in coming new Eritrea.

  • Papillon

    Dear Saleh Johar,

    This will be your ultimate tribute to the Eritrean people. I see you rolling your sleeves up and amassing your heaven given extraordinary talent of writing of an Eritrean story of reckonings. The world at large ought to know the story of a young man who came of age not in a would-be-liberated Eritrea but in dungeons of middle-Earth as he was armed with fortitude, perseverance and clarity of an otherwise gloomy situation where the alternative could have been despair and melancholy. If anything, Dejen is a metaphor as the nation struggles to break out of darkness onto the light and the green pastures but of course the limitations of the metaphor should be resisted as you (Saleh Johar) translate it into words, sentences, paragraphs, pages and a magnum opus.

    Haft’kha.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Pappi:
      I just want to pass my thoughts under your thread; not a reply to you. You said it all well.
      I don’t know if you are reading wedi Temelso book series in Assenna, up to now in his narration, wedi Temelso is not indicted. So, the the death and decay of justice in Eritrea is clear. Indeed dejen is a a metaphor.
      Dejen: has certainly shaken and exposed the whole system because:
      a, he is a prisoner of high profile.
      b, he is credible; despite a 15 year stay in prison, he is coherent, composed and focused, with a prolific clarity of thought.
      As far as the ordeal of his escape which arose speculations, I believe him; he is believable; and at any rate, the focus should mainly be on the injustice and not on how he made it out. I don,t care how he made it; I am glad he made it.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selamat AT,

    An amazing history of a young Eritrean who broke the doors of his prison cell and freed himself. Well done AT.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear AT,

    Wonderful and Great Job. Proud of you AT Team. The foot-notes are also of your remarkable input. Quality of your work at glance.

    A collaborated book in English, Arabic, Tigre and other languages are still expected from you. For the Arabic version of this short-summary hopefully to come soon from Awate Team, I am quite sure you can.

    hawkum
    tes

  • Ashebir

    This was what I have been expecting from the opposition medias.I was surprised when I saw not even a single line about this big story of Dejen Ande Hishel in awate, asmarino and erena in particular, we can’t expect this story in meskerem the second face of a coin with Eritv,EastAfro and Tesfanews.But now well done Awate though it is late, am glad I saw it finally.BTW well summarized and I liked the footnotes. Great Job Awate.

  • Hayat Adem

    AT deserves praise here for a well done summary. Speaking of Dejen’s story, I wonder if we will be able to write books and make films that truly match his greatest ever escape story. True hero at home.

    • AboyTesfay

      Salih Gadi should write a book about Dejen:)

    • Kokhob Selam

      my dream is to see a film, with the same man (Dejen) as an actor of the film.

  • ghezaehagos

    God bless you Awate team. May God bless you.

  • Tzigereda

    Well done AT!

  • Semere Andom

    Unbelievable. We have doubters of Dejen’s story and the doubters of the wailing of torture victims. It is unbelievable,but not shocking to hear the deniers of the PFDJ zemen. TIME (gizie) is both the enemy and friend of victims and killers alike. The buddying torturers of the future here in the forum, they perfect their skills in the democratic country when training to defend it and then they will apply those tricks for torture reasons on their own people.
    Woe to you buddying torturers. Those buddying tortures and psychopaths are in the military that swaps 5 terrorist to save one American, because no American soldier should be left behind. they server in its armies and deny the documents crimes of those who claims to be their people.But these people, have no choice they cannot remember that they are told because the technology that powers their brains is man made and has limited capacity, it can only repeatedly performs tasks that are considered lowlever for humans

    Sem

    • Ambassador

      Well, as horrifying as his stories are-there are still certain tidbits of narrations that Dejen has to tighten up. For example, he gave us the impression that he was in a cell 23/7; but had an escape plan that would need him to have access to the yard 24/7….or would that mean he could call-in bathroom relief anytime he wanted. Earlier in his interview, he said that he and his prison mates (I presume) used to follow Assenna’s programs?!? Could that even be possible in Eritrean prisons?

      And there is this thing that you would miss in his earlier interviews if you even blink for a second. That they (bet timihrti sewra) were grown up being told that they would be future leaders of Eritrea and they were not supposed to share the leadership with those “who didn’t contribute” (more specifically the diaspora and non-combatant Eritreans). I personally would like to see Dejen being less appreciative of that kind of discourse after his ordeal, or at least see the alienation that such indoctrination creates…..”Abyot ye geza lijochuan tibelalech”: goes the old Amharic adage.

      All being said, Dejen is an extraordinary, courageous and a beautiful human being. We start to see light in him and hope that his story inspires enough of us to effect change. While we failed as his brothers and sisters for him to suffer this long just to quench that mad man’s sadistic thirst, there is still hope for us to indemnify him by rallying for a just cause.

  • haileTG

    Dear AT,

    What a great service, in standard and quality only unique to the amazing A-team. Great! Thanks

    • T. Kifle

      dear haile TG,

      help us translate this, please. “Well now I am “kem sebey” [an ordinary person]””… I feel it might have deeper meaning than “” the an ordinary person]””. Or could it be my problem?

      I have suggested the other day for honouring him with the highest national medal in free Eritrea. God bless him and the hard working crew of Awate Team and Assena.

      • Nitricc

        Easy Weyanay Cadre, easy stick with what you know; which is deceit! What do you know about honoring anything? You don’t even honor your own dead? Remember; your martyrs were forgotten, like they never exist. Talk about honor, you wouldn’t know what honor is even if honor hit you right on your forehead.

        • Rahwa T

          “…You don’t even honor your own dead?” Man, remember where your three fingers are pointing whenever you dare writing such sentences. Don’t bark at your neighbors while your mad master keep killing indispensable personality such as this young pilot.

          • Nitricc

            RahwaT I am with my own right to write what I have written when my neighbors talk about some thing they have no clue about. If you have a shared of honor then up hold what you have agreed and signed for. Get out of Badime. And it is also true; you didn’t even honor your own dead. So, my point was let’s not talk about honor; The truth!

          • Rahwa T

            Nitricc, is that what you meant by “honor the dead”? I was thinking of veteran fighters like Naizghi K and the G-15, who were “honored” to become dead and jailed at the last days of their life. Sorry for misunderstanding you. Please don’t try to change the point of the discussion at hand. We have discussed your issues several times and it is exhausted, I guess. Nothing new would come out of discussing the same issue thousand times. It is boring, at least at time when Dejen is the “Star”.

        • dine

          you think building a bizarre, weird old shoe monument and killing the ”heroes” is honor ? in the rest of the world out side eritrea it is consider a disgrace. first erect honored monument for martyrs and come back to talk about honor.

          • Nitricc

            Really? What does it signify a name less, site less and a toothless monument In the middle of your city. You have no name of the brave fighters who died for you. You have no clue how many of them died. You have fresking idea how many of them crippled and disabled, yet, you have the freaking nerve to mention the means nothing monument? Even worst you have the addoucity to compare it to the great struggle icon, the great shida. You see there was one thing in commen with every Tegadalay that all of them wore Shda I.e. It makes perfect spence to put that simple as unified every one who fought.
            One does your monument mean? To whom? To be honest with you, since you fought within to change the a system; there is no need to have a monument. It is an insult to your Ethiopian counter part. So I suggest to stick 174 TNT and get rid of it. It won ‘t be that hard since you have good experiance dismantling monuments and cemeteries.
            Again how many brave Tigryan fighters were died? Well if they don’t come home that means they are dead. Is there any more disrespecting than this to those fighters?
            You don’t know honor. And as Eritreans we don’t need a toothless monument we have every matryers photo alongside when and where they paid the ultimate. Take that weyane.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Nitricc,

            tarik hzbi eske bejaka aytebelashwo, ksab hji bsim tarik hizb elkum zebelashekimo yiakl.

            hawka
            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes, my dude use your langudge and explain it for me what you mean. If the truth offends you,I am sorry my man there is nothing I can do for you. But let me tell you one truth it is people like you wanted to oppose the Eritrean government to the extreme ended up empowering the weyane to ignore the rule of law and inflict maximam pain to the people of Eritrea. It amazed me you are for a rule of law but you don’t oppose the weyane who are rejecting the rule of the law?
            Wake up man.

          • Rodab

            In their defense, they do have a statue of a severed breast on a severed arm:-)
            Costed millions too.

          • Kaddis

            Rodab –
            I consider the Red terror statue in Addis – with library, cinema, cafe and an exhibition is more wise investment. Not a fan of statues personally…may be parks …as planned for Meles

      • Sumaa

        Do you think [just like my lot] would work?

  • TsaTse

    Moderator: I will try and modulate my instruments. My appology.

  • Nitricc

    Reading the summery; I am surprised how the prison security system is so lax. Does this mean the horror story we hear about underground and container prisons are just lies?
    You can not have it both ways, if you believe the story then you must disbelieve the underground and container stories.
    How did Dejen manage to get out of his cell and all the way to a running car?
    How a police officer is grabs the hand of the fleeing prison breaker but he did put a bullet in the head? I am just a little confused. It sounds a fiction.
    Ether way; if the story is true, then, we got a problem; for the life of me, I couldn’t understand how you throw 23 years old young man and no one knows what the reason is?
    Really? I think we have an issue more than I anticipated.
    I am going to reserve my comments till I hear all the stories but it is very sad.

    • TsaTse

      Nitric,

      I am begging to see why you are explosive. Using Beyan Negash’s phrase: you are a “Formidable Force!”

      Your question is logical:
      “Does this mean the horror story we hear about underground and container prisons are just lies?” However, the story is that a guard is now in the dungeons, his name is provided, as a replacement. That is to say: It is possible more sacrifices are necessary in order to get things in order.

      Help me here to contain the focus of all topics. Sometimes I am learning just because it is rational, it does not necessarily meet the criteria of the timing variable. As for your reason, perhaps a Junior Officer, possibly due to loyalty or inferiority complex, either “snitched” on Dejen Ande Hishel’s visible anger or the Junior Officer might have genuinely felt that Dejen Ande Hishel was insubordinate respectfully,. I remember my Sargent of the National Guard called to inform me what I felt at that nano second. He told me the decision by Command. I felt like celebrating and disappointed simultaneously. (Oh Brother Beyan Negash where art thou???)

      Let us contain the discussion Nitric Acid.

    • Peace!

      Nitric

      Good points!!!!!!!

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Nitricc,
      Dejen didn’t tell us about Aderser, Track-B-, Adi Abieto, WIA, Gelaelo, and others. His is limited to Karsheli. I personally met a couple of people who were detained in underground jail. One of them a former classmate, a school teacher, spent a year and sth in underground jail. He wears thick glasses as his eyesight is deteriorating. He knows people who have died and went blind.
      Point is: yes we have a problem. And, we need a solution. People should not be jailed unless a court of law convicts them of committing crimes.
      All the best,
      Ghezae

      • Nitricc

        Ghezae the biggest qeustion i am facing is,
        if Eritrea is not for Dejen, then, for who?
        this is i am trying to adress?
        I am thinking and i have no answers.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Nitricc,

          Open your mind and join with the justice seekers. For how long can you deceive your heart? Don’t kill your soul.

          Hawka
          tes

        • ghezaehagos

          Nitiric,
          As things stand now, Eritrea is not for Dejen and for many citizens. It is not for civilians, for agelglot. It is not for Tegadeliti. Eritrea is not even for high-ranking officers or ministers. Eritrea is just for one person. He can do anything, virtually anything he wants and no one can stop him. No one.
          All the best,
          Ghezae

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Nitricc,

          Eritrea has never been for Dejen and his generation since independence. I am sure you will jump to your normal excuses and that is “badme.” But Badme was a trap for excuses and you are still buying that erroneous reasons.Fight to free your generation who lost everything including the spirit to fight their tormentors. For them there is no light at the end of the tunnels. Everything for them is dark. There is nothing good for them in the horizon from the regime side. Stand to save your generation as they become the ultimate victims of Issayas’s regime.

          Senay Mishet,
          Amaneul Hidrat

        • Haile WM

          keep thinking ma friend, I have the answer but I will wait until you get to THE ANSWER

          meanwhile, you still there puzzled… getting slowly to THE ANSWER thousands of your brothers are crossing the Mediterranean an Sahara

        • geltam

          Nitro, Can i help you to think ? : ) I guess you are not gifted to think.

      • ghezaehagos

        Selam Tsa Tse,

        Indeed long time. I hope you are doing fine.

        ” Ghezae. I simply ask you to state THE PROBLEM we have and THE SOLUTION. I am not asking for a problem or a list of problems. I am simply humbly requesting from you to state THE PROBLEM.”
        The mother of all problems in Eritrea can be referred as lack of rule of law. Seb d’o higi? Rigtsete- Highi saeriru ab Adna. Any person with power can do anything. The most powerful person in the country hence is doing whatever he wants. The solution is ‘higi yinges!”
        All the best,
        Ghezae

        • ghezaehagos

          Tsa Tse,

          In all probabilities, there will not be a new constitution. It is pure hogwash; another bone thrown to us that will keep us busy for circa few years.

          Yet, if there is going to be one, it will most probably be a sham one. It will not pass the test of good or decent constitution; namely 1. That guarantees the rights and liberties of citizens consistent with UDHR, 2. That guarantees the separation of power between the three pillars of a government, at least the separation of the independent judiciary from the executive. 3. That empowers and clearly limits of the executive according to law. (The last two fall under the forms of government; presidential, parliamentary or hybrid.)

          If these critical features are going exist in the ‘new’ constitution, I will accept it.

          All the best,
          Ghezae Hagos

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello TsaTse,
            PanEastAfricanist? I love it. I am in.

    • Amanuel

      Nitricc
      You are on the right truck. I recognise your symptoms but you need to finish the proscribed pills, which is listen to Dejens’s full interview and you will be cured of this PFDJ disease you are suffering from at the moment.

      • Serray

        This unit does not understand tigrigna; the army decided it conflicts with his cleaning duties. If it was human and understands our language, I would have asked it to listen to Berhane Afro, a former investigator who tells the horror story in other places the unit is confusing with karcheli.

    • dawit

      It is truly a sad story, if it is true, for a country to spend millions to train a young Eritrean and lock him for 15 years in prison! But I have several questions. How is that no one heard about this young man who was imprisoned when G-15 and others were free and in power? Were any of the G-15s involved in his imprisonment? His interview indicated that he was given medical attention and he used the car that transported prisoners to hospitals, contrary to what we were lead to believe the inhuman treatment of the regime. Is there any relation between the story from Assena, that ‘PIA died and buried, the meeting of Military generals etc. and this ‘Dejen Project’?
      Once a liar you are always a liar. That is why I have a doubt to believe the story, may be an excellent creative fiction? Why is Assena radio is driving a fund raising campaign, claiming that Dejen needs a medical attention, perhaps psychological evaluation and treatment? From the interview, the man sounds in a perfect mental condition, perhaps because of his foundation at the Sewra School. For now I am also reserving my judgments on the authenticity of the story.

      +++++
      [From Moderator: Dawit, there was no awate.com in February 1999 when Dejen was arrested; thus, no Gedab News:) But in 2002, Semere Kesete was interviewed by awate.com and he narrates his story and what the guard that helped him escape, Habtom Mehari, told him and it is mostly consistent with the story Dejen told:

      “I would say I was in a better situation than others. Let me give you one example: Mehari tells me that a young man named Dejen Ande Hishel, an ex-student who grew up in the Revolutionary School [a school run by the EPLF during the armed struggle] and who was later a Mig-29 pilot and instructor after independence, was picked by two men from his work on March 18, 1999. Until July 2002, no one knew his whereabouts. He repeatedly asked [his jailers] what his crime was, why he was in jail and who brought him there; he never got an answer. His father and mother are combatants. His father is a lieutenant Colonel. His two elder brothers are also combatants– that comprises the whole family. He never saw the sun. His family was allowed to visit him after [he spent] three years and five months in jail?. Where I was jailed, I know only few people: Feron Weldu, Hassen Kekya, Sunabera, Kuflom Gebremichael and Ali Alamin Ali (both worked for the American Embassy in Asmara), Ali Mohammed, Bitweded Abraha….Abdu Younis is in Karsheli. I also know of Aho Ali Aho, who is the Baito [regional assembly] Chairman of the South Red Sea Region; and Ali Issa Ali, Deputy Governor of the Port of Asseb. Unfortunately I don’t know where the reporters are jailed now.” – Semere Kesete, 8/15/02

      http://www.ehrea.org/awatez.htm ]

      • Semere Andom

        Dear AT. I think Semere Tekest’s guard name was Mehari Yohaness and not Habtom Mehari,but it is memory.

        • dawit

          SEM. Just bring facts and not insults. Answer my questions whether deep or shallow with facts.

      • Semere Andom

        dawit:
        PFDJ goons cannot handle it when an Eritrean gets his freedom. people do not react to torture in the same manner. We see Mandela emerged stronger and became the president of SA, Anwar Saddat also was in prison and he became Egypt’s prime president
        In a typical PFDJ way the blame is on the victim and not the criminal.
        People who gloat over the building of a dam, the building of a hut, the curing of malaria by medicine that scientists have created decades ago cannot even admit, entertain, wrap their minds around this gripping escape by one of its heroes.
        People who care heard about this young man, but some were only interested on the travels of DIA, so they did not hear.G-15 are in prison by the system they created and people invoke their plight to highlight the crime and not to paint to them as saints who never wronged Eritreans. The G-15 are not August body of justice either,they never inquired when their comrade Bitweded was taken away. So dave why is your mind foggy with Dejen’s locution and lucidity and eloquence and sanity.
        Just to take away the blame from DIA,you asked a shallow question if G-15 were part of Dejen’s imprison. In Eritrean only one beast named IA has the power to imprison high profile people. His goffers are allowed to do so for their personal pleasure.
        A note to Serray: The Eritrea of IA and those who deny his crimes, we have to give them a name, just like the holocaust deniers. I suggest the name “sulphuricawitian”
        Sem

        • Serray

          Selamat semere,

          Too complicated, how about hasewti because every single one of them know someone in prison.

      • dawit

        Thank you for the information it helps.

        • Serray

          No apolpgies. It helps you in what way? That you know now innocent people are jailed, tortured and killed.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam dawit,

          Look the story of this young man who was in the dark cell of PFDJ prison for fifteen years . He is a macrocosm picture of all those over ten thousands of prisoners of conscience, in various dark caves, deep holes and others. This it the regime you believe in, that your heart is always inclined to defend it. What kind of crimes of this regime could changes your heart? when is the turning point for you to say enough is enough, as history is counting down to close that dark chapter of our history? Come on dawit, don’t wait until you are run out of time for a momentous regret. You are better than that. Think about it.

          Hawka,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • dawit

            Selam Amanuel, I don’t deny that there are prisoners in Eritrea or any other country in the world. Governments put in jail that they oppose them or people who they think are threat to society. Here in U.S. the most democratic country, there are 6+million prisoners . Are they all guilty of crime? Yes according to the definition of the government in power. In U.S. and many countries of you cross their borders and caught, you are put in jail, like wise in Eritrea if you cross the border and live, you are considered criminal and they put you in jail. How can you distinguish between these two crimes, both crossing borders, one coming in to a country where there are jobs the other going out of a country because there are no jobs. How do you distinguish between fake or false and true stories. Did it no Assena that told us that Isaias died and AT replicated the news?. What is the proof that Assena is telling a true story this time? Should I believe every thing that came on the media as True. I remember my cousine was imprisoned by Derg, because some member of the Derg believed he was ‘Adhari’. Next the same Derg member was accused of the same crime and was killed. My cousine spent years in the prison, because no body knew what crime he committed, but the prison guards have to keep him there even though they had idea why my cousin was in prison and my cosine did not what crime he committed. The one who accused him and put in prison died before processing the crime. Therefore It is possible poor Dejen could be some one who fell on some cracks. I still can’t believe that a country spent millions to train a citizen and put him in prison for decades. He does not know his crime and his guards do not know either. Who knows?

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi dawit,
            Three points
            1) What you said may hold some water, but what does a citizen like me and you do when the right of a citizen are violated because the regime made a strategic or tactical mistake that exposed the nation to great risk? Should the citizen become a sacrificial lamb to cover up for the inept government that doesn’t follow standard procedures?
            2) You compared prisoners in the USA and Eritrea. In the absence of a clear legal mandate to rule, do you think the unelected government should do what it pleases?
            3) Can you prove your allegation (not the first one by the way) that AT replicated the news about the death of the Eritrean brute?
            4) Indeed, so many resources are wasted in Eritrea and more is wasted to cover up mistakes and crimes committed by the inept dictator and his clique.

          • dawit

            Saleh,
            I definitely read the news about Isais’s death at AT. I don’t have access to all AT postings, you have, search it and tell us if you didn’t spread the news. I don’t know what is a standard procedure in government, because I am not in government. All I know governments whether democratic or not act similar ways when their power is threatened. They put their opponent in jail or even execute them citing ‘National Security’ and there is nothing ordinary people can do. And when the next guy come to power he/she will do the same thing. That is from my limited observation and study of governments behavior. Egypt is a very good recent example to read.

          • dawit
          • Semere Andom

            dawit:
            Sorry Saleh:
            I will answer you can add.
            This report was factual unlike Assenna’s blunders. IA was very sick, Assenna got carried away.
            This was one of the best reporting of awate, and when IA materialized with his oversized shirt and bloated body he looked frail. So where is the fog and confusion with Assenna’s reporoting on this matter. Or do you believe Ali Abu’s ” ab brku yetensfis alo”??

          • dawit

            Dear SEM.

            Guess what? I expected you would jump on this one as usual. I don’t have any thing to reply to you, but read this http://awate.com/the-unusual-absence-of-isaias-afwerki/

          • Semere Andom

            dave:
            I expected you to be frazeld by the truth so I expected you would have nothing to say
            Sem

          • Semere Andom

            dawit:
            The problem the justice and democracy seeking Eritreans is the unfettered generosity to engage you, the unrepentant and supporters of the Nazi regime of Eritrea.

            And with you it gets worse by every comment, you up the ante of shallowness with every comment.

            Let me mention of the following

            1. You said there are 6million prisoners in USA. No one can deny there is always miscarriage of justice in the USA, but your comparison is so depressing. In the USA no president has arrested anyone at whim.

            2. Asking proof from Assenna about Dejen? He is talking, breathing and giving his gripping testimony. Or are you saying that the guy talking is an actor. You never asked for the evidence from the government when they arrest people, you love to put the onus on the victim. If a girl is raped, we ask to bring the rapist to justice by evidence, people like you put the raped girl in prison for wearing revealing cloths

            Some people are just incapable of distinguishing truth from falsehood. And if this comment, comparison was written by my loved one, I will be ashamed of him. Dejen, a tegadalai since his infancy just told you that your independence is not a day of freedom and liberty. Colonization was better he said lucidity and brace for it, this is the tip of the iceberg. He is exposing the stupidity and “hasotat” of IA and by extension the lies of the imbeciles who support him.

            I am not sure where you live, but I can assume that you are relishing the freedom that others have sacrificed for you, but you perverted that freedom by comparing the 6 million prisons that went through the justice system, defended themselves, and had their day in court. Granted since law is complicated there are some who are wrongfully convicted and the systems admits these and has checks and balances. A jury of your peers will find you guilty for your perverted, myopic comparison.

            At this point you guys have no hope for redeeming yourselves from supporting the crimes, unless of course that DIA goes after your own kids next time you send them to Sawa.

            Gadi engaged your stupidity, good on him he is a host

            Sem

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam dawit,

            If you know this and let me quote you from your answer: “He does not know his crime and his guards do not know either. Who knows?” So why do you defend for a government that doesn’t bring the probable criminals (if there at all) to the court of law for 15 years? Don’t you believe on “due process” and “rule of law”? Couldn’t this be for you, the bases for opposition against the government?

            dawit you are better than that and you know what is going on. Lastly, you should defend the victim until he faces the court of law and proven guilty.

            Amanuel H.

          • Semere Andom

            Selam Emma:
            Just to add to your comment, I draw your attention to how dawit compares the prisons in USA, who went through the justice system and were sentenced to prison, found guilty by the jury of their peers. For sure some might have fallen through the cracks and were wrongly convicted, some criminals due to the persecutors’ incompetence were found no guilty. Comparing the USA prisoners to the political prisoners in Eritrea like Dejen, who were sent to prison for the pleasure of one man is a crime that dawt’s peers will find guilty.
            I am sure that dawit is certain I would be jumping on to this 🙂
            Emma, we are dealing with these kind people who either deliberately make this moronic comparisons to please their dictator or are grossly ignorant. Now they are getting hard on for the mere mention of the English word constitution by their demi-god instead of reading the real constitution of the USA, the federalist papers, the letters of the founding fathers, the ratification process, and the amendments that became the Bill of Rights of this great nation and learn to glean some insight. The USA that they disparage as incarcerating 6 million prisoners is a nation that just traded 5 confirmed terrorist to save one American private who is accused of deserting. In their country of Eritrea if you request the rule of law you are sent to Erar Ero and called a traitor. It is time for such people to go into hiding with shame instead of exposing their incapacitated thinking state or their evil nature that will definitely come to haunt them. The ghosts of Eritrea’s future are not our murdered heroes, but these people who tarnish a nation that has built a democracy on the rabbles of serfdom and has and is still refining its Union for over 200 years and all this is to make their tyrant look good and secure their summer cottages on the backs of justice loving 10,000 Eritreans.
            Sem

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Awetistas:
    AT thank you for the summery of Dejen’s escape: not sure if he will continue or not, he is at part 6.
    Here is what caught my attention today.
    Yemane Gebremeskel, Director of the Office of the President twitted:
    “Eritrea to embark on a participatory constitution making process based on lessons learned over 23 years of hard defended independence.”
    This could well mean:-
    part I
    “Participatory constitution making will include” :Hints that The 1997 was not participatory; meant to quash people’s yearning for rule of law. If that was not participatory then how could we believe this one will be better knowing that the DJ is the same entity? At any rate, this “participatory constitution” making process may involve:
    * making sure Dr. Bereket never gets a call
    * exclude all opposition and “sell outs”
    *exclude Eritrean people
    *excercise the back door dealing PFDJ is known for; cadres of Nakfa Social Science School (bit tmhrti kadr) could play a crucial role. Some chosen diaspora may get a gist of the process too.
    *hand picked ” national council” seals it off
    *PIA declared “The first democratically elected president, by 99.99%
    PART II
    BASED ON LESSONS LEARNED OVER 23 YEARS
    *Cheating votes, purging off dissidents; injustice, economic robbing of a nation, political robbing of a generation, addiction to free labor, THE DARKENING AND STANDSTILLING OF A NATION, dependence of a whole nation on government…etc. “endless national service”, shortly, disasterous years.
    partIII
    HARD DEFENDED INDEPENDEDCE
    *Warsay kids saved the nation 14 years ago, what defence are you talking about GM? Aren’t parts of our land still occupied.
    *You demoralized Eritreans to the point…. forget it you don’t get it. That’s the worst national security issue.
    *ill equipped EDF due to an embargo imposed upon us due to your reckless and belligerent adventures.
    PEOPLE’S VERDICT
    Not fit to call the shot, not fit to rule.
    release all political prisoners
    call for national unity and reconciliation conference
    let Eritreans handle it this time
    let history and fair justice judge you; you have been a disgrace to all those who had brought you to power?

    • Mahmud Saleh

      salam tsa ste; I am not so sure about the delineation, as far as I’m concerned EPLF was done the day it assumed power and called itself “The provisional Gove of Eritrea.” However, I would contend some of its worst cultural manifestations still exist in the practice of PFDJ and its government. It would be obvious that whatever made the EPLF great during the liberation war could not make it great at peacetime administration. And that’s what’s been haunting us for 23 years, not having been able to transform itself in to perace time governance.

      • TsaTse

        Okay Aya MaHmud;
        Can I revert back to my childhood and ask you: “Are we there yet?” What I mean is with this new announcement by the “The provisional Gove of Eritrea”, are we approaching the delineation albeit at a much later time?

  • Papillon

    Awate Team,

    God bless you!

  • Eyob Medhane

    Sal,

    His story is griping. I wish the translation was more detailed, which fits his six hours interview. I tried to listen to his Tigrigna interview, but I caught very little for my understanding of Tigrigna, so I gave up. I was hoping your narration would have a second part….