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Dejen Ande Hishel: The Prison Breaker

On February 27, 2014, Dejen Ande Hishel, 38, an Eritrean fighter-jet (Mig-29) pilot and trainer, escaped from a maximum-security Eritrean prison in Asmara, where he had been held in captivity without charges, a verdict, or a day in court, for fifteen years. While his whereabouts have not been disclosed, it is safe to say that he is no longer in Eritrea: Assenna.com, a London-based independent Eritrean website which broke the story, also conducted a series of phone interviews with him where he narrated his biography, the circumstances that led to his arrest, his detention, and his escape.

The interview, which is in Tigrinya, is available on youtube in a series of videos (Part 1 through Part 6 one-hour interviews*, which were conducted in May 2014.) Dejen is remarkably articulate and a gifted narrator: his story is so rich and so full of detail and philosophical musings, it would be impossible for anyone who attempts to translate it into any language to do any justice to it, and we will not attempt it. Instead, what we will provide is a summary to help those who don’t understand the Tigrinya language get some idea as to why Dejen’s interview with assenna has been such a sensation with Eritreans: why it has at once depressed Eritreans—for the great injustice done to innocent Eritreans by the outlaw regime in Eritrea—and, at the same time, inspired them that the Eritrean spirit is not broken, that 15 years after imprisonment people like Dejen still exist: unbroken, defiant, bold and blessed with clarity of thought and action.

Below is a summary of the interview. We have added some notes in brackets to assist English readers who may not be familiar with Eritrean history, as well as some footnotes to provide additional information about the prisoners mentioned in Dejen’s narration.

Assenna.com – Dejen Ande Hishel Interview Summary

Early Childhood:

Dejen Ande Hishel’s family is from Elabered, Eritrea. [Elabered is on the road between Asmara and Keren. In the 1940s-1960s, Elabered was famous for its orange groves, tomato gardens, and dairy farms which were established by Italian entrepreneur De Nadai. In the 1970s, Elabered was the sight of many battles for Eritrean liberation. One of the toughest was when the EPLF and ELF were forced to withdraw from territories they had liberated just a two years earlier: in November 1978.] The young Dejen, then 2-3 years old, was evacuated, along with his entire family to Keren, where his mother worked in a hospital that treated wounded combatants and,eventually, to Sahel.

“Dejen” which means fort or garrison in Tigrinya, was a nickname given to him by his mother’s friends when he was just a baby.

His earliest memories were of Ethiopian fighter planes pursuing and bombing the retreating Eritrean combatants and civilians, who were journeying to EPLF’s base at Nakfa in Sahel province (northern tip of Eritrea.) His earliest memories include hiding in caves and emerging covered in dust when the bombing subdued, and witnessing the death and carnage of the bombings.

By 1978, his entire family—his father, his mother, his three siblings—were all enlisted in the EPLF. As a child, he was enrolled in the “Revolutionary School”, [a school run by the EPLF for orphans and children of combatants] and was literally raised by the revolution. [Thus, in 1991, when Eritrea became independent, he was about 16 years old.]

Eritrea-Ethiopia Border War (1998-2000)

[Several years before the war, the Eritrean government had decided to establish an Eritrean Air Force. Dejen was one of a few who was chosen to enlist in its academy. When the war broke out, both governments were in a mad rush to strengthen their air forces; and Dejen was trained by Russians how to fly Mig-29. The Ethiopian Air Force flew Su-27s during the war.]

Dejen describes the Russian training that he and his colleagues received as inadequate and says that he was shocked when he was given a certificate from the Russians that not only was he qualified to be a pilot but a trainer pilot. He protested his premature graduation but to no avail. He concluded that the Russians were more interested in meeting the goals of the higher-ups (graduating students quickly) than meeting the goals of the trainees.

Dejen says that the Eritrean pilots, particularly him, who was certified as a trainer, were lacking confidence in their abilities, as they had not been taught the fundamentals, nor had they logged sufficient flight hours.

In the Badme Front War [February-March 1999], he and his childhood friend Yonas Misghinna, were sent on missions. The two improvised that the best way for them to learn what they hadn’t been taught by the Russians was to copy the more able Ethiopian Air Force pilots. At the same time, they considered their job defensive: to harass the Ethiopian Air Force pilots and making it harder for them to conduct their bombing sorties.

Dejen explains the three-steps of conventional warfare: first the fighter-jets are sent to conduct bombing; this is followed by artillery shelling, which is then followed by infantry fighting.

In one of his missions, Yonas Misghinna (Dejen’s childhood friend) is downed in the Badme area. Dejen is sad and angry and filled with a sense of wanting to avenge his death. Dejen explains that standard protocol when a plane is downed is to conduct an assessment to avoid a similar mistake and, in the meantime, one must, at the very least, avoid making a pattern of the circumstances that led to the downing: altitude, place, etc. Yet, notwithstanding this protocol, the Eritrean regime sent another Mig-29, this one captained by Samuel Girmay, to the same place where Yonas’s plane was downed. And it met the same fate: Samuel, too, was downed.

Subsequently, it was learned that the planes that the Russians sold Eritrea were not new but used and malfunctioning. The pilot eject button did not work; the parachutes did not open. And two young pilots were killed at the same place.

The Badme war was followed by the battle of Igri-Mekel [in the Tsorona front: one of the most intense 4-day battles of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border war: Eritrea claimed it killed 10,000 Ethiopians and Ethiopia claimed it killed 9,000 Eritreans.] At this battle, a decision was made that Dejen could not comprehend: he was told that the fighter jets are grounded and would not participate in the battle. To Dejen, this made no sense: the battle front was only 80-90 [corrected distance] kilometer distance from Eritrea’s Air Force base in Asmara, and the pilots could make relatively safe sorties and come back.

Dejen Is Arrested

While the battle was still raging, on March 23rd, 1999, Dejen, then 23, had completed his shift when he was approached by government officials who told him that there was a guest who wants to see him. Still wearing his flight suit, he was escorted to a car where he was accompanied by five individuals (including the driver.) At the time, he was thinking that he was going to be sent on a special mission.

He was taken to the 6th police station in Settanta-Otto neighborhood of Asmara, where he was put in a cell. An interrogator told him that he is to talk with him and only him but that this wouldn’t happen that night. The next day, Dejen, fully convinced that it is all a misunderstanding, packs his belongings and gets ready to be sent free.

That didn’t happen. The visits of the examiner become less frequent. The examiner examines nothing: he doesn’t ask him any questions, nor does he provide answers. Only requests that he [Dejen] be more patient.

Days become weeks, weeks become months, and months become years.

He is transferred to Carcielli, a maximum-security prison in the heart of Asmara. He is held in a cell [locally known as “cella.”] Prisoners are allowed to sit in the sun for only half-hour a day on a rotating basis: one week it is the morning sun, the next week it is the setting sun. This, he explains, is a huge improvement over his conditions in the 6th police station where he was taken outdoors only once every two months.

Prisoners are not allowed to talk to each other; nor are they allowed to have conversations with the guards. The only way they communicate is by writing graffiti on walls: often, the graffiti on walls are their arrest dates. They also communicated by whistling [although all these forms of communication are a simple “I am still here/I was here.”]

Dejen explained that sometimes, past midnight, past 1 or 2 am, piercing cries would penetrate the entire prison. He said that these cries are either due to a prisoner having a primal scream to relieve the pressure and frustration of being confined for reasons he or she doesn’t know. Or they are due to someone being interrogated and tortured.

Dejen explains that there was a tiny window in the prisoners’ toilet room that provided a view of the outside. The prisoners called it “wikileaks.”

Dejen narrates one incident that provided an opportunity for prisoners to meet one another: a drunk driver ran his vehicle into the walls of the compound. The prison wardens moved some of the prisoners from their cells. And it was there where he first met prisoners like Nesreddin AbulKherat1, [a Sudanese national] who was arrested in 1997 for allegedly trying to assassinate Isaias Afwerki. Dejen describes that he asked Nesreddin if he really [on orders of Sudan’s Omer Al Bashir] tried to assassinate Isaias Afwerki and says that Nesreddin replied, “look for yourself, the two are best friends now.’ He also said that in 2006 he stayed in cell 26 together with Teweldemedhin Tesfamariam, [a diplomat who was called for a meeting to Eritrea and arrested.]2.

Dejen was also able to confirm that General Bitweded Abraha3, Ermias “Papayo” Debessai4, Aster Yohannes5, Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael6 were held in the same prison. He also says that he has a more comprehensive list of prisoners and “we will disclose it in due time.”

Dejen says that he was made aware of Aster’s presence because he heard her screaming in the still of the night.

According to Dejen, if vehicles leave at night with prisoners and return only with their belongings, it is commonly understood that the prisoners had been killed. Thus, Dejen assumes, that Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael (two Eritreans who worked for the American embassy in Eritrea and were arrested in October 2000) were killed.

Dejen explains that it wasn’t until two years after his arrest that he was finally visited by his family. He emphasizes that his entire family [father, mother and siblings] had been enlisted in the EPLF and served the revolution. When they came to visit him, he was hoping for some answers: why he was arrested. Instead, he found out, that his family had no answers, only questions: they wanted to know why he was arrested.

Dejen’s Escape

Asked by the interviewer (Assenna’s Amanuel Iyasu) as to when he gave up on the government, he said it took him four years from his imprisonment. He said that the EPLF was his world: the revolution had raised him. It took him years to realize that by merely asking what his crime was, he was accusing the government of imprisoning innocent people and thus committing a crime and increasing his punishment. It took him years to realize it wasn’t the prisoners who had committed crimes, but it was the government which was committing a crime by detaining the innocent. Dejen explains that he had written thousands [too many to count] of letters addressed “To Whom It May Concern” describing his condition and demanding that he know of the charges against him and that he brought to a court of law. At some point, explains Dejen, he had asked who this “to whom it may concern” is and he had been told it was Isaias Afwerki. Asked if he had ever received any written response, Dejen explained that the only responses he received were oral and they were not answers but stalling by referring to the general condition of the country [the so-called no-peace no war situation.] Whenever he asked his interrogators what the charges against him were, he was told “what do you think they are?”

Four years after his imprisonment, he was convinced that he would never get justice, would never get released by the government.  Six years before his escape is when he decided that if he was ever going to be free, it would have to be by escaping from prison.

He equated those who were incarcerating him with a stick: if somebody hits you with a stick, your argument is not with the stick but the person using it.

For years [for 6 years], Dejen explained, he plotted his escape. He had given himself some conditions: that his escape would not be dependent on anyone—he was going to plan and execute his escape on his own. That once he starts, he wouldn’t hesitate and never look back and would see it through.

He said that it took years for him to escape because the opportunities for escape were rare; that when the opportunities are presented, they get frustrated at the last minute, or there is a loss of nerve. He says that the biggest challenge that has to be overcome is a psychological one.

Dejen had noticed that one of the prison warden’s vehicles, the one that transported prisoners to hospitals, which was parked in the compound, always had mechanical problems. Because of that, the prison guards would sometimes leave the engine running since, if they turn it off, it presented problems for them in restarting it.

The opportunity he wanted was: this vehicle, with engine running, but unaccompanied by other vehicles. Most of the missed opportunities were because there were always 3 other vehicles and a motorcycle. Another missed opportunity was that, from his prison cell, he couldn’t tell whether the engine was running or not because, when there were power blackouts in Asmara, the guards brought generators, which drowned out the sound of the engine.

Then Dejen found another clue. When the engine was on, the vehicles’ side-view mirror would vibrate and, from a specific location, (the window in the toilet which they called “wikileaks”) the side-view mirror would vibrate the reflections of the sun. This, then, was his clue that the engine was on and the vehicle was running idle.

On the day of his escape, on February 27, 2014, which happens to be the anniversary of the death of his best friend pilot Yonas Misghinna, the conditions were optimal: the vehicle was not accompanied by other vehicles in the compound, and the engine was on. He walked to the vehicle and got in. His first challenge was that the vehicle was not facing the gate but the prison cells. Still, he drove it around towards the gate. The compound has multiple gates but they were open. The guards were playing cards and were not attentive. Dejen explains that this is because the oppressor is never as attentive as the oppressed. He had made a decision that he would crash through the final gate knowing that, if it is a strong gate, the vehicle would smash against it and stop. But he broke through the gate which was not strong.

The police officers gave chase, on foot: none were on vehicles.

Here, his escape vehicle stalls; he attributes this to his forgetting how to drive a car [in Eritrea almost all cars are manual shifts.]

He re-starts it and drives making left turns and right turns. I feel free, explains Dejen. Ahead of him, pedestrians motion to him to stop because the police pursuing him were instructing him to stop. But he doesn’t. The police do not shoot because he was in a crowded street. A policeman reaches out to him and grabs him by the hand, but Dejen breaks free.

He drives north, towards Akhria neighborhood. At some point, he reaches a dead-end, abandons the vehicle and walks on foot. Walking, he tries to determine if he stands out among the crowd and based on the double-takes people were making, he determines that he is.

Turning right, going over a fence where people dump their trash, he heads north. He comes across a huge ravine—a steep slope down, and a mountain ahead. He turns his clothes inside out, and he walks and rolls-down the hill. Unable to reach a foot hold, suspended, he fears for his life, that this is how he is going to die: birds fly, startled, he lets go of his grip, and lands on a foothold, relieved that he is still alive.

Interviewer [Amanuel]: Earlier in the interview, you had said, “The dead don’t fear death.” What happened now….

Dejen [laughing]: Well now I am “kem sebey” [an ordinary person]…

Crawling, walking, rolling down, Dejen makes it down to the bottom of the hill. Only to be confronted by howling monkeys. Dejen explains that he is anxious now, thinking, I got past [human] police only to be discovered by howling monkeys. Nonetheless, he goes past them and makes his escape….

[*The part of how he crosses the Eritrean border is not yet explained.]

Footnotes

Correction: We made transcribing error on the distance, it is not 25-30 kilometers but 80-90.

1. On May 25, 1997, Eri-TV broadcast the “confessions” of Nusreddin and how he was sent by Sudanese intelligence to assassinate Isaias Afwerki. The video of the two-part interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q34iicHlPY

2. Teweldemedhin Tesfamariam was the deputy chief of mission in the Eritrean Embassy in Nairobi. He has been in jail since April 2003.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030502000807/http://www.awate.com/artman/publish/article_1295.shtml

3. Bitweded Abraha is one of Eritrea’s most remarkable men. Arrested in October 1991 for speaking out against the Meles-Isaias cozy relationship in regards to Asab, he broke out of jail in 1995 and forced the Eritrean government to admit that it had no case against him, went back to prison, got released in 1997, went back in 1998: all because he dared to warn Eritreans of the looming dictatorship. His story can be found here: http://admasna.blogspot.com/2005/12/bitweded-abraha-13-years-solitary.html

4. Ermias Papayo Debessai is a member of the PFDJ’s Central Committee. He has been in prison since 2003, when he was arrested with his sister Senait Debessai. It was his second arrest.  http://www.ehrea.org/dear.php

5. Aster Yohannes is a veteran EPLF combatant who also happens to be the wife of Petros Solomon (a member of the G-15 who has been detained since 2001.) Aster Yohannes, who was studying in the US when her husband was arrested, returned to Eritrea on December 11, 2003 after she was given personal assurances by then ambassador Girma Asmerom and Isaias Afwerki that no harm would come to her if she returned to Eritrea to be re-united with her children. She was arrested at Asmara Airport and her family, there to welcome her home, returned without seeing her. Her story is found here: http://www.friendsofaster.org/

6. Ali Alamin and Kiflom Gebremichael worked for the US embassy in Eritrea in 2000. At the time, there was a fledgling private press in Eritrea and part of their job was to translate the news/opinion written in Tigrinya into English. They were arrested on October 11, 2001. http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2002/10/20021017201028corey@pd.state.gov0.9141504.html#axzz33PzeY2VL

The United States has made information on the whereabouts of these Eritrean nationals one of the conditions for normalizing relationship with the Eritrean regime. But since then, the Eritrean regime arrested two more embassy employees in 2005, and two more in 2009 and accused them of “human trafficking.”

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  • Fanti Ghana

    Welcome back Papillon, and thank you many times over.
    It is twice the pleasure to hear you say that, because you happened to be one of my
    top teachers at awate.com.

    Selam.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Rahwa T,
    Here is a little addition to what I tried to say last week.
    http://awate.com/dejen-ande-heshal-the-prison-breaker/#comment-1436206654

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Abraham,
    sorry for the delayed response but here it is:
    http://awate.com/dejen-ande-heshal-the-prison-breaker/#comment-1436206654

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello wolde ab,
    sorry for the delayed response but here it is:
    http://awate.com/dejen-ande-heshal-the-prison-breaker/#comment-1436206654

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Abraham, Rahwa T, and Welde Ab

    Here is my late response to some of your questions. By the way, please
    keep in mind that this is the human me rather than the politician me answering.
    Welde ab: thank you for introducing me to Pollyanna. I can’t wait to read her
    book.

    They insult us (agame etc.)

    Yes they do. I don’t know if you have noticed but we insult them too.
    This is neither a new behavior nor is it an exclusive Tigrean or Eritrean
    one. It is a worldwide phenomenon which is attributed to nothing but
    backwardness. Everywhere in this world any group of people or tribe with
    similar identity do have derogatory terms for others. Even in the same tribe
    there are always derogatory terms given to those who are from across the river
    or behind some mountain.

    Some of the effective ways to combat this kind of behavior is:

    1. To fight backwardness at all times.

    2. To correct anyone who uses derogatory terms to an entire tribe or
    nationality.

    3. To remember that whoever uses derogatory term does not represent his
    or her entire nation or tribe.

    4. Most importantly, avoid the idea of “getting even,” because that only
    multiplies it.

    5. If you really want to go the extra mile you can also try to be extra
    nice to a person who insults you. Trust me, you won’t lose anything.

    You can also try the following technique which does wonders.
    Whenever you meet a nice person you simply tell yourself
    “people from that person’s country are very nice,” but when you meet a not so
    nice person tell yourself that “I just met a bad person.” For whatever reason
    we seem to use these two exact concepts in the opposite direction, but stay on
    top of that and you will be surprised how simple and true that is. There is
    actually some study on sociology that says most people in the world are nice.
    I think it is like 80% of them.

    As we try to get closer to them they, Eritreans, try to get farther away
    from us, so, what do we do, or why bother?

    Regarding why Eritreans amplify our difference while downplaying our
    similarity may have to do with creating a new nation and nationality, but,
    lucky for me, I will only address the easier part of it which is what the
    context implied anyway. The people-to-people relationship between Eritreans and
    Ethiopians is unavoidable and unnecessary to try to do so. Let alone as
    complicated as Ethio-Eritrean relationship even the least complicated border
    societies of Ethiopian neighbors are impossible to completely severe all
    relationships with. If we are talking from ‘unity’ perspective however, it is
    even easier.

    Similarity is not a prerequisite for unity. When Ethiopian nationalities
    agreed to unite, their similarity or lack there of was never an issues. What they
    believed was that as long as there is a verifiable and pre-agreed upon method
    of governance they can work together under a federal system for a common
    destiny. Ethiopia is a federated state of nations who understood the inherent advantage in
    numbers and who believed on the possibility of greater achievements when united
    than they could separately. It has nothing to do with being similar to one
    another. For example, the Afar and Gambella are two examples of nations with a
    stark difference in their looks, religion, language, history, and geography,
    but they equally believe in their “Ethiopiawinet” nonetheless. What makes the
    Ethiopian federal system work is not the similarity between tribes or nations
    but its inclusiveness and fairness to address all members’ questions equally as
    guaranteed by the famous article 39 of Ethiopian constitution.

    How many Tigreans should die to win the hearts of Eritreans?

    None! We should never do any favors to win anything in exchange. I know
    we live in a world where “Hinieu zeyfedi wedi adgi,” “return the favor,” “what
    have you done for me lately,” “tit-for-tat,” “get even,” even as ridiculous as,
    “be a man,” are acceptable norms, but these are concepts that insure stagnation
    and not growth. To grow as an individual or as a society, we need to break away
    from these kinds of reactionary concepts and move forward. Be kind to all
    people at all times because it is the right thing to do. What will I get in return
    should never be a question to ask before you do a favor to anyone. Before you
    say “be realistic” let me remind you that what we do everyday is what
    constitutes our reality. Pass it on folks!

    Badme, EEBC, UN Peace Keepers, and is Ethiopia trying to weaken Eritrea?

    When the EEBC ruled without having to visit Badme, Ethiopia should have never
    accepted the ruling, or when Isaias kicked the UN peace keepers out of Eritrea,
    Ethiopia should have declared all agreements null and void.
    That is as far as I could dare to say regarding Badme.
    This issue has been a mystery to me from the beginning. From the moment
    the war started I had lost all interest on the war and its outcome. To me,
    personally, I could only expect one outcome and that was exactly what I got:
    The loss of my brothers and sisters. To be fair to you, Abraham, to have a
    better understanding of Ethiopia’s position regarding Badme I am the last person to ask.
    I know very little, and I don’t like what I know.

    I don’t have enough knowledge to say yes or no about Ethiopia trying to weaken Eritrea, but I
    would be surprised if it isn’t. Whether we call it proxy war or
    no-war-no-peace, in the absence of peace, I would imagine both countries would
    be trying to weaken one another.

    A special message to Rahwa, but it is okay for the rest of you to cheat.

    Here is a story I once heard from a friend who heard it from another
    friend. There was a very kind, spiritual, honest, very well respected, and
    beautiful young lady. One day, her parents arranged her marriage to a man who
    was extremely mean and vile. Almost every resident in that town protested to
    her parents about that incredible mismatch. However, when the young woman heard
    about her engagement to that man, she knelt down to thank her God for bringing
    that man into her life so that she may improve and grow in her ability to love!
    The remarkable that she was, she saw that as a gift to her so that her loving
    skill may improve. What a fantastic way of looking at life!

    Thank you all.

    Selam.

    • Rahwa T

      Dear Fanti Ghadi,
      This is incredible to believe. If you are practicing what you have discussed here in this post in your daily life, you should be a very rare man. I like your approach, although some of the points look to me as ideal and impractical when it comes to the real life. How many of us are ready to give the right side of our face when our enemy give us a big slap on our left? I have nothing to oppose to any of your arguments. But one minor question is if you have noticed the implication of the reply from Hope on my earlier comment regarding the naming of the twisted Asmara-Keren road? I just stop commenting to him as I was afraid it would take us to unnecessary tit-for-tat exchanges of words. According to him the naming goes as far as a century years back. I wondered if the road was named years before the road was constructed (as I don’t think the road was 100 years old). The other question that came to my mind was on the depth of the problem that we have. Anyway, my overall impression on the points you discussed is very positive. Thanks,

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello again Rahwa T,
        I know you had more than enough of me recently, but I find this part to be too important to pass. So, bare with me a little longer; it is almost over.

        I see a great potential for greater wisdom and a good heart in your writing, and I am strongly hopeful that you can master my preaching above with little practice. I am not quite there yet myself as I may have lead you to believe, but I am actively aware of the potential and I do apply some of it in my life. I get a few encouraging remarks from friends occasionally. It can seem overwhelming when you think about all of it at once, but you will be amazed how simple it can be if you try it with simpler situations, especially, with people you already know. For example, forget everything else I said for now except the following two:

        1. Do someone a favor without expecting any value in exchange:

        The next time someone, like a friend or family, asks to borrow 1-5 bucks just give it to them and say: It is okay you can have it; I was going to buy a chewing gum with it any way. The white lie “I was going to buy a chewing gum” is very important to put the person at ease, but if they insist to pay it back it is okay to accept. Just keep training yourself until enough people owe you allover the place.

        2. How to practice “giving the other chic” when someone shows an attitude against you.

        This needs practice in bits and pieces, and family members are good guinea pigs. Say for example someone insults you, before you insult them back just ask your self “why did he/she insult me?” then go ahead and do what you normally do. I hope it doesn’t involve a baseball bat or a skillet, but go ahead anyway for now. As you do this a few times and it starts to become a habit add one more phrase like so; “why did he/she insult me, is he/she depressed about something?” Keep adding phrases like “did he/she misunderstand what I said earlier,” and so on. The idea here is to create as much time between the moment someone says something nasty to you and the time you respond. Eventually your mind will start to adjust to the new you, who, upon hearing an insult, instead of reaching for a stone tries to evaluate the person instead of the insult. Before you know it, you will be saying “I see you are angry, so, we will talk about this some other time.” Someday, when someone insults you and you find yourself thinking “this person is hurting, so, how can I help him/her,” then you should know that you graduated!

        Food for thought: have you ever insulted someone and regretted it later? Now, imagine it the other way arround.
        It is a pleasure talking with you Rahwa, and good luck with your homework.
        Selam.

    • Papillon

      Dear Fanti Ghana,

      You’re a joy and a beautiful person. Thank you for gracing Awate with your warm presence. Again, thank you.

      Haft’kha.

  • wolde ab

    haile;
    What does take your shot exactly mean? I didn’t know that our limited conversation had turned to a pissing contest. There is no shot to be taken at all, just simple observation.
    As a matter of fact, even your leader has purportedly said” I know what you call me behind my back……..

  • Haile WM

    well i don’t have to believe 🙂 i am questioning if it has some authenticity since awate.com was repeatedly nominated in that document. (misspelling Eritrea, doesn’t make the document non Authentic… )

    in a related news i read about the data lapse in immigration department in Australia revealing personal details of the refugees see the link below:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/19/asylum-seekers-identities-revealed-in-immigration-department-data-lapse

    BTW the link to jeberti.com about Ali Abdu (the one i posted earlier) has being removed… maybe to much sensible infos ?!?!

  • abrham

    Hopeful

    ‘Acting as the main Terror Agents of the Dergue Regime and decimationg
    many Eritreans Youth besides going far to the extent of “poisoning our
    wells and Rivers”….Do you want me to go on?”

    You can go on and on man. But enough movies and songs are fabricated by your artists and Eri-Tv. We are simply entertaining by the art forgetting the PDFJ insults aside. Yes not only there were pro-dergue Tegarus but pro dergue or HS Eritreans were also many that we could not see in your comments and movies.

    Peace

    • Hopeful

      Dear Abreham,
      You are talking to the direct victim,without any exaggeration and I brought only to give a “Hint” to Rahwa,who might know the issues even better than me.

      We are NoT talking about Pro-dergue eritreans now.We consider those “Eritreans” who committed crimes against humanity and their own citizens more than enemies and they got beyond what they desereved but we let those pro-dergue tegarus go in Luxury Red Cross Buses.
      Case closed now–
      Eventhough knowing the past history is essential for lots of reasons,we decided this kind of past history to be left behind and move forward.In the evnt,if you decided to live in th epast,good luck to you.
      May God enlighten us and have His Mercy on us.

  • Dear Rahwa,

    Only JUSTICE will bring peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea. All the rest is wishful-thinking. Even if the two
    governments reach a certain decision in a miraculous way, unless both people feel vindicated, there will be no peace today or in the future.

    Secession of Eritrea was supported by the TPLF government (I would say a right decision), but without putting even a single clause in the agreement (if there was any agreement at all), as to Ethiopia’s guaranteed outlet to sea. EPRDF/TPLF might accept landlocking of Ethiopia for their own reasons, but not the people of Ethiopia. Secondly, I do not know if
    it is the first time that a country wins a war at the battlefields, and loses at the negotiation table. Probably this is one of the reasons MZ refused to
    implement the EEBC decision. He had no doubt in his mind that he would be vindicated, when he accepted negotiations in the first place.

    Ethiopia on her part should be ready for some concession: badme, opening her market, electricity and even military cooperation etc.

    When we say let’s pack up and leave; this is not the usual way of politics, and it will have no permanent results. Remember, Eritrea is in need of peace much more than Ethiopia. Nevertheless, it does not mean that Ethiopia should continue to exploit the situation; nor should Eritrea remain in its stubborn position. When one discusses Ethio-Eritrean politics, one has to examine both sides of the divide, and bring a working formula and not an idea that would remain only in the sphere of wishful thinking. I think that our friend Fanti Ghana has forgotten the give and take aspect of negotiations.

    One final point; however you handle DIA and the PFDJ, either by giving back badme and demarcation or even giving everything else under the sun, they would never move an iota from their position, as to their policy towards Ethiopia, nor would the people of Eritrea see freedom and democracy.

  • Halibet

    I am happy that he is free after such a long time. I am also happy that he survived the war. Life as a soldier is really tough.
    One can get killed for abandoning own position or disobeying an order. If you are told to go south and you go north during a war, you can get into trouble. At least that is what I read in some books.

  • Thomas

    “I will take this country down as I put it up” Issaias Afewrki

  • haileTG

    Dear SGJ,

    This is one of the time my Arabic (non-existent) let’s me down and google translate seems to be poor at it. Is this news telling us that the IA regime delegates to Cairo went there yesterday from Khartoum on board Ethiopian Airlines flight?

    My observation: If so, why isn’t Ethiopian flying to Asmara or is it their politics of hate to Ethiopia that they wish to give the masses and the convenience efficient transport from Ethiopia are kept to themselves?

    Regards

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear haile TG,

      I can’t stop laughing. What a good Saturday is this????

      haile TG, always the “GREAT”

      Eritrean president delegate arrived on an Ethiopian airlines plane destined to Addis Ababa – See more at: http://www.el-balad.com/986923#sthash.skXVdZGZ.dpuf

      hawka
      tes

    • Selam Haile TG,

      Although difficult to believe, if such miracles do happen in these difficult times, it could mean many things. It could be a sign of change of heart by Eritrea towards Ethiopia, and it may be a
      way to meet Ethiopian officials on flight towards Cairo. During the flight, it is possible that some sort of discussions could take place, a sort of “on flight diplomacy”.

      One might say that lately, Ethio-Eritrean affairs pass first through Khartoum before they reach Addis or Asmara. Remember, electricity purchase from Khartoum, while Khartoum itself buys electricity from Ethiopia.

      Rather flights to Cairo are mixed up, and they do not seem to know where flights are coming from, and who is the government official on board. Any way, it is a good scenario to contemplate upon.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Haile TG and Horizon,
        Hallelujah!!!
        K.H

      • Eyob Medhane

        Horizon, Haile

        Ethiopian delegates flew to Cairo DIRECTLY from Addis on a chartered plane. Tedros Adhanom was leading the delegation. He actually twitted about it. They did not stop in Khartoum. There may be another ET flight from Khartoum, which the Shabians boarded. But not the same flight that carried Ethiopian delegation…

        • haileTG

          Eyoba…Lol your “the Shaebians” make it sound like armed men boarded the flight. Also, Ethiopian airlines may find your wording not so good for business potential to service Eritrea. Shaebia is a movement that fought to bring the independent Eritrea and strikes a cord of following with majority (about 98.9999%) of the population. You could say the hgdef stooges and I am all with you. Shaebia is a big No No 🙂

          The question is why they board flight to Cairo in the Sudan when they could have done it from Asmara which is mostly served by EgyptAir? Why did they board a flight whose final destination was bound to Adis Ababa and with a stop in Cairo? Do you have any insider (even mid level – we’re desperate 🙂 news on that?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hailat (haile-TG),

            Nitricc will give you the reason. He is the insider from the shaebia side, b/c anything we said he has to go and check with their front desk – the gate of their information. Am I right Nitricc?

          • Nitricc

            Hahahaha what do you mean Aman?
            I have no idea what you mean and I refuse to assume. Anytime I make an assumption I get things wrong. So I let you explain it.
            However; just for your info ; I question and doubt everything; anything and the whole thing. But once I am convinced then I Stand for it, unwavering
            Let me get back to my point,
            So what do you mean?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Nitricc,

            My comment is based on the comment you gave us to a reply I gave to you. If you recall you asked me to give you one country which gave a military assistance to EPLF. When I gave an answer, you told me, I will check my source. That is where I came from.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hailesha (Have you ever wondered, why I never use the ‘TG’ tag that everybody puts on you? Not that I think you’re not worthy of that crowning, I just prefer to use other affectionate suffix and prefixes 🙂 )

            On the “Shabians”, well, believe it or not I am actually being generous, or else you’d have read me saying “wonbedewochu” 🙂 The expression has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the people of Eritrea. Ethiopians don’t refer Eritreans as ‘Shabia’, unless they were speaking in jest or jokingly. Usually, we reserve that to those, who rule Eritrea. Not the average Joes. I don’t think you are being fair, when you try to impose an alien belief on me to feel the same way as you feel about Shabia. To me Shabia was never the people. Not only to me, but to average Ethiopian Shabia is a group that we really don’t like and caused havoc on our country. Hence, we call it derisively and associate it only with those, who lead the group, but not with the everyday Eritrean. Sorry, but that is not only mine, but the thinking of millions of Ethiopian. Let me respectfully ask you one question. Have you ever been to Ethiopia? The reason why I am asking the question is, if you had, you would know instantly, what an Ethiopian mean or what he or she refers to, when they call someone ‘Shabia’. It just mean a high ranking Eritrean official, an Eritrean soldier, a cadre of the government or a government supporter. That is it. In Ethiopia that word is exclusively reserved for them. It might mean something in Eritrea. Therefore, Ethiopian Airlines will not find my expression strange. I ‘regret’ not knowing it’s meaning in Eritrea. I just used what I know and I grew up with… 🙂

            As far as my mid level knowledge informs me about Eritrean delegates boarding ET flight (notice:- I didn’t say Shabians 🙂 ) I had no idea, but I guess it is for convenience. May be Egypt Air was not flying to Cairo from Asmara on the date they wanted to go. The frequency of other flights to Cairo from Khartoum may not coincide with their schedule, and only ET’s flight may have been available for them to fly to Cairo from Khartoum, which fitted their schedule. I understand Issu chisu gura bekisu also will travel to Cairo. I am certain that he will not board Ethiopian Airlines. If he did, that will be very much news worthy… 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Lij Eyob and HTG,
            Don’t read too much into the sloppy Egyptian report. I feel it is Arabic typed using Latin alphabets. I have seen them confuse Eritrea for Ethiopia and vice-versa. Are you sure they didn’t walk across the desert trek to Cairo, in solidarity with the youth who are leaving?

          • dine

            Ustaz Saleh, thanks for clearing this up. as the saying goes ”common sense is more important than being an indian”.

          • haileTG

            Hey Eyoba “Eritrean deligates” that is more like it 🙂 [you can even add IA’s shoe shiners if you’d that is OK too]. Unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to properly visit your great country. Many many years ago, I stayed few days transit and had a room at a place called Ras Hotel. I am able to visit it now though, although somewhat hasn’t come to be yet 🙂 I do have many great Ethiopian friends with different backgrounds however. I kind of know how shaebia is understood among Ethiopians, this is one of the few misunderstandings we have. If I be completely honest with you it is considered an accolade in Eritrea and isn’t given to any one. That is why I ensure that people make no mistake to mixe shaebia with hgdef semayna mdr or anbesa ena ayT in that order 🙂
            regards

          • Yodita

            Dear Haile TG,

            You can tell Eyob from now till eternity the distinction between the noble Shaabia and the disgraceful Hgdef but it wont click. Better still, he knows it but chooses to provoke! I envy your soft tone.of comprehension in your reply.

          • abinet

            Hey Eyob
            nomatter how you slice it, the very fact that they(wenbedewochu) use ethiopian is very encoraging. You never know next time they might stop by Addis(the would be the New York of Atrica)to talk about normalization. (I hope Haile is not reading this:-))

          • Rodab

            Hey Abinet
            no matter how you slice it, the very fact that they (those who call tegadelti wenbedewoch) use Awate forum, owned by ex-tegadalay, is very encouraging. You never know next time they might even author full-fledged articles at Awate about normalization.

          • abinet

            Hey Rodab
            it is a weekend. Don’t take everything seriously. I appreciate the privilege afforded by the ex- tegadalay to use this website . You never know what the future holds. We might even have coffee together. Better yet, this website will be based in asmara on godana harnet with abig sign “AWATE UNIVERSITY”with branches everywhere in the country.
            Yemignot feres lguam yelewm.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abinet, this is the best weekend good wishes I saw for a long time. Let me rewrite your proverb: yemignot feres lgwam benTso ygalebal!

          • abinet

            Ato Saleh
            let’s say che ferese che…
            “No matter how long the night may be , the day is sure to come.”

          • Saleh Johar

            ِAbinet, poets have always inspired humanity. The North African revolution took the poems of the early 20th century poet as slogans, rallying cry and inspirational tools. If you wondered what they were chanting when you watched Tahrir Square on TV, wonder no more.

            Let me introduce you to AbulHassen AlSahbi through NPR:
            http://www.npr.org/2011/01/30/133354601/Tunisian-Poets-Verses-Inspire-Arab-Protesters

            And then a translation of one his famous poem here:

            https://arablit.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/two-translations-of-abu-al-qasim-al-shabis-if-the-people-wanted-life-one-day/:

            Note: the English poem is not even close to the original Arabic, even if Morgan Freeman would deliver it. Consider the translation 20% in impact value compared to the original Arabic and please tell Lij Eyob Arabic poetry has nothing to do with everything he hates about Arabs 🙂

            “If, one day, a people desires to live, then fate will answer their call.
            And their night will then begin to fade, and their chains break and fall.
            For he who is not embraced by a passion for life will dissipate into thin air,
            At least that is what all creation has told me, and what its hidden spirits declare…”

            Translated by Elliott Colla.

          • Abinet

            Ato Saleh,
            What is amazing is although written years ago,it is still powerful . Look at it’s uniting power .it can be applied wherever dictators rule. I found an Amharic saying in it .
            Eshoh yezera , qusl yachdal .
            Thanks

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Abnet,

            I like this so much. This is the best gift of the week for me. Thank you

          • Rodab

            Hi Abinet,
            It was a joke in my end too. Didn’t you notice the almost word for word mimicking?
            Now remind me, who did you pick for the World cup 2014 winner?

          • abinet

            Hey Rodab ,
            I missed the joke, my apologies. Iwas watching Spain VS Elsalvador .it was a good game .I picked Argentina. I watched them too .they look even brtter.from afrika I really like ivory Coast. A lot of talent in that team . They will challeng everyone. Your pick from africa( Nigeria) lost to USA. They didn’t empress me at all .their defense is a big ?
            Good luck with your Balatoli .Where is Ermias?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey Abinet,
            Was it you, a while ago, who said something like having coffee in Masawa
            with every Awatista some day? I am sorry I keep confusing you with dine,
            but I am improving. Anyhow, I remember thinking that it was a fantastic idea.
            Let’s try to remind ourselves every now and then so we don’t forget. Another
            point I have similar to yours is that I call Awate.com “my part time online
            class!” Selam.

          • Nitricc

            Fanti
            You know you are my favorite Tigrayan I see in you honesty and integrity. I don’t know if you know this but there is a difference between honest and integrity. Honesty is telling some one about something the truth and integrity is telling the truth to your self. I see every Tigryan struggling with integrity but not you and for that I give it to you.
            Now, the other day you said, you did not see Ethiopia more accurately Weyane leaving Badime not a solution? I ask you, how do you get to that conclusion?
            Melles is on the record saying if PIA proves though court and the rule of law that Addis Abeba belongs to Eritrea , he will abide by the decision and give Addis to Eritrea. So, what do you think when Ethiopia is refusing to accept the EEBC decision ? Do you think PIA has a point here?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Nitricc,
            Thank you for the kind words and the feeling is mutual.
            The reason I say getting out of Badme is not a solution is because I don’t think it is the source of the problem in Eritrea today. It is simply used by Isaias as an excuse to maintain his grip on power. Isaias’s
            obsession with the National Service, which is the main catalyst for most of Eritrea’s problems, is justified by Ethiopia’s presence in Badme.

            About Ethiopia’s refusal to accept EEBC ruling? I don’t know what is going to happen to me when
            I run into T. Kifle in Mekele someday but my position is that Ethiopia must
            demarcate per that ruling. Just for the record when Ethiopia refused that ruling at
            first, I was kind of “Langa-Langa” about it because of one simple fact PM
            Meles mentioned. Out of the three criteria’s that were agreed upon with EEBC before
            it passed its ruling was that it was supposed to have investigated Badme in
            person to see the facts on the ground, like splitting family. That didn’t happen, and Ethiopia
            refused. However, once Ethiopia declared “we have accepted it but we need to talk” that was the day I made up my mind. Isaias has made it amply clear that he does not want to talk, so, I insist, Ethiopia
            must demarcate.

            Since I am in trouble any way let me go a little farther. What does Ethiopia
            want to talk about? The citizens of both countries around Badme are probably
            shuffled according to their citizenship by now any way, I would have to be
            totally crazy to assume that Ethiopia is worried about cutting in half of a few
            huts here and there, any security threat because a border line is drawn is ridiculous,
            if it is about ports it would be a blackmail, so, I don’t know what Ethiopia
            wants to talk about it can’t talk about after demarcation. That’s the truth!

          • Hopeful

            Per an American diplomat,here are few of the topics for “Talk”/preconditions raised /classified though so far,
            Before that , I give you an unlimted credit if you are an Ethiopian,for calling a Spade,a Spade,which is rare to do so,in this kind/part of the world.
            1) The Issue of the Opposition(ONLF,OLF , DEMHIT,Ghinbot -7

            2)Tthe Issue of the Eritrean Ports–specially Massawa use for Tigray
            3)Miscellenous

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hopeful,
            I thought about those points you listed too, and they are important points to talk about,
            but I have to ask myself that how are they related to the demarcation? The implication I am
            worrying about is that unless Eritrea agrees to Ethiopia’s satisfaction on those points
            there won’t be a demarcation. That would be blackmail. There is no other way to see it.
            The only issue that made sense was the issue of splitting families, but as long as Isaias
            continues to refuse there is no choice but to collect your people and demarcate.

          • Amde

            Fanti,

            Come on – it is a bit more complicated than the word “Badme”.

            I personally don’t think the town of Badme or the Assab strip is the issue. The big one is the central sector which is more densely populated, and also constitutes some of the TPLF power base (Essentially the border from Adwa through to Adigrat awrajas and includes some of the Irob districts). That makes the problem a bit more than “cutting in half a few huts”.

            If you remember, Melles has made exactly this same point, that Ethiopia can agree on the western and eastern sector per the decision and is willing to negotiate on the central sector. In my mind that was a huge concession and very generous offer. I do not think anybody from the Ethiopian side has withdrawn that offer anyway.

            Issayas knows this puts Weyane in a political pickle. He would rather see Weyane humiliated than agree to close this chapter for his nation and move on.

            No, my friend, let’s not fool ourselves – Eritrea’s situation is completely Issayas/PFDJ imposed, for no good reason but childish spite.

            amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            I am not surprised about Isaias’s intention at all, and yes,
            EPRDF may have good reasons to want the talk, but I suggest that EPRDF make
            those points public. They don’t seem that classified really. If they have been
            made public already I will stand corrected, but from what I gathered in bits
            and pieces about EEBC’s ruling is that, overall, Ethiopia may have gained more land
            than it asked for especially around the Erob area you mentioned. If EPRDF was
            dealing with a reasonable Isaias it would make sense to want to negotiate and
            exchange some land here and there, but what we are witnessing is nothing short
            of a tragedy.
            As you said Isaias would rather embarrass “Weyane” than save Eritrea. This
            is where the problem starts. Every good thing in me, if any, that is, I got it
            from TPLF. I don’t know if you are old enough to have known TPLF in its early
            years, but one of its main characteristics was to look for the long term “viability
            and goodness” of every situation. Assuming TPLF has enough influence in EPRDF today
            what I would expect from it is to go beyond Isaias’s childish behavior and to
            examine the precarious situation Eritrea finds itself in and agree to
            the demarcation. Hopefully, Eritreans will fix their house quickly, elect a
            responsible government, and then the two governments can talk about border and
            resident adjustments. I know usually I talk about what ought to be instead of
            what is, but I can’t help it to think that we are loosing much more than what
            we are gaining from this quagmire.

          • Amde

            Fanti,

            As you probably know, the “Badme” ruling deprives Tigray of vast sparsely populated lands in the Shire lowlands, which were always administered from Mekelle. Most of the Tigrayan highlands are densely populated and the land overcultivated. This was land that Tigray could put to good use to help resolve a lot of the issues it faces.

            The EEBC ruling also cemented Ethiopia’s land-lockedness. Assab was basically a short straight drive from Maichew.

            Agreeing to base the EEBC judgement on moribund “colonial agreements” was a huge concession to Eritrea in the first place. This is on top of fighting for Eritrean independence etc….

            When Meles made the concessions to write off the plains of Shire, and agree to the Red Sea demarcations, he must have known very well that Tigray was getting the very short end of the stick. And yet, for inexplicable reasons he agreed to it.

            But still this was not enough for Issayas.

            It appears there is not enough Tigrayan concession, or Tigrayan blood that will satisfy Eritrean desires.

            I do not know how your suggestion that EPRDF should unilaterally agree to the EEBC decision is going to fly. How will you tell Tigrayans on the border in Adigrat that they should leave their lands because doing so might convince Issayas to let Aqordat boys finally go home? Let me know how that will work for you.

            Eritreans have a tough PFDJ problem. And believe me, Ethiopia has a PFDJ problem too. Even after they are removed from power they will continue to exist for a long time as a criminal mafia network in East Africa. There is too much money being made from human miseries for it to magically stop when Issayas leaves power. I can almost guarantee you that. The way I see it, PFDJ is a criminal organization that masquerades as a government. Continually making concessions to it cannot possibly solve anything.

            amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            True on all counts Amde,

            I agree that Isaias is the main reason for Eritrea’s ills,
            but my argument has simply been that let’s take away from him one of the
            weapons he is using to do so. I think mistakes were made early on by trusting
            EEBC to come up with reasonable adjustments. But you are right it won’t be easy
            to explain it to many Ethiopians. However, a sincere apology could go a long
            way. Sorry we put all our eggs in one basket, but let’s stop fixing one
            mistake with another. I would accept that in a heartbeat. There are so many
            accomplishments by EPRDF that it can afford one little slip.

            Selam.

          • abinet

            Dear Fanti Ghana
            yes, it was me who said that . I was not kidding. I always regret that I didn’t see Asmara and Masawa when it was ours. I also said a while ago to Ato Saleh that I love to see Asmara. It is shame I took everything for granted that I missed chances to visit them . One day….
            Do you miss meloti birra? They say it tastes better by red sea.Ato Saleh will pay for it although he despise beer.
            Cheers!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abinet,
            I am glad it was you. When that day comes, I promise to wash
            everyone’s coffee cup that whole day! And make sure you get
            your tour of Asmara from me first before someone else spoils it,
            but there is one thing about me you must know now.
            I was too young to drink when I was in Asmara, and I don’t drink bear or any alcohol even today. I can only sip a little Tella if I am in a church and a priest handed me as a blessing. However, there is an upside to all this. You won’t have to worry about designated driver, and Mr. Saleh will have someone sane to talk to after you and Nitricc start to get too loud!

          • abinet

            Haha that was funny . There will be no fight b/n I and nitric. He is too young to drink. My worry is between Eyob and Ato Saleh. You know he doesn’t listen . My problem with Ato Saleh will be I will never let him smoke around me. Don’t gorget the ladies. Yalenesu aydemqim.
            hilm ena mignot aykelekelim.
            ps nitric will be busy with the Asmara tsibuqti or fighting with Ermias .

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abinet,

            Who me? Not lsitening Gash Saleh? Please listen to one of my favorite of his speeches. start from 5:44…..

            My only regret is he doesn’t eat Tre Sga. I had a lot to talk to him over a good Tej and Tre Sga… 🙂

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKnvJ92g6Ao

          • abinet

            Eyob , thank you for the link. I listened to the whole speech. I really appreciate his honesty where he compare the Eritrea under the king/derg to the current state of affairs. It takes courage .
            Bring tre siga I will bring mitmita/awaze and see ifhe rrefused to eat.

          • dine

            Selamat Saleh, it is amazing speech, i admire you even more now after i listened the speech. even though i believe it wasn’t necessary to mention the slave thing in front of african diplomat.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Speaking of the women, you just reminded me about Kim Hanna and Mr. Saleh.
            Whatever you do don’t miss that match. You are right about Nitricc though.
            He haven’t been the same since “Fiameta.”

          • Nitricc

            Addis the New York of Africa?
            How about the dump of Africa? Easy boy, you may hurt your self on this one.

          • abinet

            Are you talking about the biggest dam of africa? It’s comming to give us both the much needed electric power. Cheers.

          • EPLF

            How about the Roma de Africa or the Geneva of Africa?

          • Abinet

            Why not?

          • haileTG

            ere ere Eyoba yazliN ehie sewye be Hg efelgewalehu….wenbedewoch blon arefe eko 🙂

          • dine

            Dear Rahwa, i renounce it already.

          • haileTG

            dine..qemalamoch??? ziz..it keeps getting worse, doesn’t it? I bet there is a hair “shampoo and conditioner in one” with an afro or dreadlocked wombede hair for a label and the motto “Every wombede’s favorite rinse!” …haha…. BTW me no expert in Ethiopia, my knowledge of Ethiopia is similar to the average Ethiopian’s knowledge of Eritrea, i.e. rhetorical, surface level, prejudiced, devoid of first hand experience. The only difference is that I am humble enough to know my limits 🙂

          • Rahwa T

            Dear dine,
            What happen to you bro/sis? I think it is a bit “yewoerede” comment. Please refrain from using such words as it it may hurts back. It does not give any sense.

          • haileTG

            Dear Rahwa,

            I am puzzled too…sewyow mewred lemdobachowal bakish…negerachow hulu ziq wered yale neger honebn eko… 🙂

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Haile TG,

            You are my favorite teacher here. It is natural to be slightly biased to ones nation or people and I understand if any of us be biased to what we believe or perceive. However, I love most of your style of presenting your arguments. It is hard for me to see an Ethiopian compatriot drop a post with vulgar words to a nice personality and great teacher such as Haile TG. I feel shame for what what my compatriot did.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Rahwa,
            Good to know that you renounced it.

            Your sis

          • Fanti Ghana

            Good morning Haile TG,
            Eyob koynu`mber “ewai Dergi Ede wombede tibleni…” miderfkulu neyre.
            gae megae ile gedifeya tmali mishet.

          • dine

            , even though i know being humble is a good thing but [xxxx] kissing dose not solve a problem,

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello dine,
            What part of what I said sounds like “kissing xxx” to you?

          • Rahwa T

            Dear brother Fanti Ghana,

            After reading some of your recent posts, I am asking myself if you really are Ethiopian. I respect your positions if you are an Eritrean citizen. Being a person of good-heart is fine and very human. But your stand seem to favor our neighbors at the expense of our people. I think this has never helped even to PMMZ. Remember, only very few people from this forum have respect for his policy towards the nation of “Mereb Melash” as Ethiopian leader. He might have different reason, and I guess you might have your own reason as well.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Rahwa Haftey (I am probably old enough to call you gualey),

            My reasons are actually simpler than they may appear.
            1. I don’t see Eritreans as “them.” I see them as “my people” whether we are in two countries or one it doesn’t matter to me, and it never has. Otherwise my being on this forum as much as I do would be hard to explain.

            2. I am not looking at the situation we are in from “sides” point of view. I see it only from what is good for our people as a whole in the long run.

            3. EPRDF shouldn’t have accepted the ruling as it started doing in the beginning, or once it says I accept, it must understand that it put itself under the mercy of Isaias, and deal with it accordingly. It is looking like trying to cover one mistake by another.

            4. The last 60 or so years, Ethiopian Governments, have been making too may mistakes regarding Eritrea by focusing on what looks good for today instead of what is important in the long run (we could talk about this point some other time).

            5. I must uphold what I believe is right regardless of who benefits from it. In my belief the moment I waver from that I would have disgraced myself and my martyred comrades from whom I learned everything good I never had.

            I wish it was as simple as supporting my team vs. another, but precious lives are being lost for reasons that should make us cry. Whether you see it socially, politically, or spiritually, it makes no sense to be quiet while your brother/sister die so that you may save yourself from being labeled “xxx kisser,” “soft,” or from being asked “are you Ethiopian?” Remember how you felt when you saw that Australia video the other day? Now imagine watching that and something similar every week for 38 years. That is where I am coming from. Sorry to dump it all on you Rahwa, but, in my mind, I am addressing all of us, Ethiopians.
            Selam.

          • dine

            what kind of confusion are you talking about 1st, you support eritrea’s Independence to be another country and you still think ethiopia has responsibility to take care of eritrea , 2nd, you support the border to be demarcated according to the EEBC and you don’t believe the demarcation will solve the problem. i think you always got up in the wrong side of the bed every morning and your kind of people(from both side) are the one who complicate ethio-eri problem to this limit . i even think your hate towards some part of ethiopians messed up your judgment.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Okay Brother dine,
            Let’s see who got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

            I support Eritrean’s struggle for independence because it is demanded by the great majority of Eritreans.
            It is not genuine for me to say it is right or wrong when I have a serious conflict of interest with
            it. I hope you will accept this from me on face value, but I like to think that
            I do care about Eritreans as much as I care about Ethiopians.

            I didn’t say take care of Eritrea altogether, not that it would be a sin if I do, but Ethiopia is already
            implying that we should be kind to all our neighbors by giving scholarships to
            Eritreans and other professional training to other Africans and so on. It is a
            good thing to do. So, it is not fair to single me out.

            Ethiopia signed the “final and binding” EEBC agreement. If you have any suggestion for a
            graceful exit from that I am all ears.

            I don’t think demarcation will solve Eritrea’s problem because it is not the main reason. But it would deny Isaias one more reason to continue suffocating his people while giving Eritreans one more
            reason to challenge him.

            How can I prove it to you that I love my country Ethiopia and all her children with all my heart?
            Selam.

          • dine

            as for me i would support Eritrean’s struggle if it was for justice not independence but i know the majority want independence that is why they got a country called eritrea. now we are neighbors that is reality. what i wish for eritrea and ethiopia is to be a good neighbors just like ethio-Djibouti which is not just scholarships but mutual economic cooperation and non-interference from each others inside politics and so on. in order to do that ethio gov and eri gov or their representatives have to set and talk about every thing that they spouse to talk before the referendum or the war.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam.
            I think you just got very close to a point that I wish many of us would talk about and have a clear stand on. When we talk about Eritrea/ns who/what are we talking about? Are we talking about our friends, our neighbors, our cousins, or our enemies? I see many of us taking contradictory positions on this question even within ourselves, and usually it is manifested in a sort of love-hate scenario.

            You would support Eritreans had they fought for justice instead of independence.

            Now, try to make yourself as neutral as humanly possible and ask this question: is it because you believe fighting for justice would have been better for Eritreans, better for Ethiopians, or better for both? If you can answer that honestly then all subsequent questions are easier to answer. Can you imagine how it would sound if we tell someone that we fought Eritreans for 30 years because we believed the course of action they chose was not good for them? I hope I am not sounding patronizing, but I am trying to make a point about how we, Ethiopians, sometimes behave regarding Eritrea.

            No one on his right mind wakes up one day and decides “okay from today forward I will not be Ethiopian.” There is a history, lots of mistakes, and lots of blood and suffering behind Eritrean struggle for independence. What a well-meaning Ethiopian should do now is to be patient and listen to Eritrean’s grievances. Let them take some time to heal their wounds. At the minimum let us sympathize with them about all the atrocities Ethiopian governments committed which some of it we don’t even know about. Then, at least, we create a new atmosphere and open a new chapter for discussion about unity, federation, ports, or what have you. It is awkward but it is too early and too late at same time for any meaningful talks right now.

            This is a very important subject to address in a chapter or two but let’s hold on this subject for future talks.
            Selam.

          • dine

            1st there was never been fight between peoples of ethiopia and eritrea . the war was between successive gov of ethiopia vs elf-eplf and present day eri gov (non of the LFS and gov chosen by the people) . between the war and in consequence there was/is endless atrocities and suffering happened on both sides . and don’t forget successive gov of ethio fought with ethiopians justice seekers too.
            the reason why i would support eritreans had they fought for justice because i don’t believe secession solve eritreans and ethiopians problems except it might pleased some people ego.

          • Fanti Ghana

            dine,

            That is exactly my point. Governments make the mistake but the people pay the price. The only way we, the people, can counter that is by being “the people” not the politicians. Once we start playing a politician, we are representing our nation, the government, or some other entity.

            There is nothing wrong with being or doing that, but it gets complicated and fruitless when we mix our humane-self with the politician in us. There are few Ethiopians on this forum who stay disciplined on their positions, but many of us keep mixing it very often.

            The contradiction I was referring to in my earlier post was my attempt to address this very point. We start talking from people-to-people perspective and we end up being the politician half way through the conversation, things fall apart, we call each other names, then we do it again some other time.
            Selam.

          • Nitricc

            “Ethiopia signed the “final and binding” EEBC agreement. If you have any suggestion for a
            graceful exit from that I am all ears.”

            Fanti, i am sorry i got you in to problems with your Tigryan brothers and sisters. I knew they will jump on you and also i knew you will handle it. I have to admit, the way youn handle it is not only a master pice of debate but you took me to school of thought and decency. I thank you sir for giving me some hope and future that i can work with.
            thank you sir! and i will love to have more conversation wit you, My good friend Mahmud Salih and few others once the jebena section is open.
            P.S i tried so hard to talk to my girl Rahwa and rumor has it, she is cheating on me with my good enemy Ermias? I told you, Ermias was a player. – : )
            My dear Rahwa, if you think there are men better than Nitricc, there are none so, i say to you good luck lol

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Nitricc, Rahwa, Dine;Fanti..Yodita..
            How if we push out the politicians to leave the border villages to the elders and religious leaders? I believe that would work; I know most of those folks have blood relations and an interest in putting an end to this madness. Once the villagers finish the business of sorting it out, Nitricc and Yodita stand North of the demarcated line and Harbegna wayaynay T.Kifle and Rahwa to the south and get you guys to shake hands. Fanti and I could sign in for the observation role. No UN or AU just the people. Honestly, I believe the religious leaders of both sides and the elders should take the initiative. I know it’s not easy; they have been sidelined and it’s in purpose. As a private citizen, I would love to see an end to this madness; it’s hurting average people on both sides.
            Rahwa: On the libi Tigray: It was not something that came with Yekaalo or Eritrean independence, it was there..may be since the Italian era, I do not have its history; but do not read too much in to it. If you think of similar remarks within Ethiopian communities, you will find disparaging remarks between and among Amara/Tigre..Oromo…etc. The same exists within Eritrean communities too.

          • Fanti Ghana

            I would like that very much Mahmud.
            Believe me there is nothing more important to me right now than to shake hands with T. Kifle!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mahmud Saleh,
            The idea is a perfect time tested Habesha solution. However, elderly people have been jailed for suggesting such problem solving method, in Asmara, as you might know.
            Now I come to think of it ,I think both people, have one major problem facing them, President I.A. (Just like we did with Mengistu ,in my opinion)
            It was a great picture you were painting, I hated to bring reality into it.
            K.H

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan KH;
            When folks get tired of modern medicine you know where they go to, maaychelot. My proposal is even more feasible than that.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Nitricc I wish I could help, she is over 18, out of the house, and on her own now.
            Since Ermias is also a good friend of mine, remember I changed my avatar for his comfort,
            so, I will wish you both a good luck. May the best man win her heart!

          • Hopeful

            May I call you a Living Saint Fanti Ghana?
            Kind of “shokced” for GOOD.This is beyond calling a Spade but a Spade.
            Happy Sunday.
            God bless you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            It is tempting, Hope/ful.

            But the truth is there are many in this forum that deserves it much, much more than I do.

            It is true that I may sound “righteous” the way I am expressing
            my thoughts regarding Badme, but it is just one particular point I happened to
            see from a different angle than most of my compatriots. However, taking all our
            thoughts together without singling out one point I know for sure there are many Ethiopians on this forum that
            care about “what is right” much more than I do. They probably express it differently but believe me they do.

            Thank you.

          • Hopeful

            Thnaks,Fanti,
            Learning every day.Stick to it….as the TRUTH will always prevail and will set you FREE,no matter what!
            Weyanay T.Kifle will NOT have any power over the Truth and in fact,he will invite you in Mekele for a dine and wine and admire and appreciate you in private for your TRUTHful stand.Mark my word.

            Rahwa,
            Please let us learn something from Fanti Ghana.Forget about the ” Us and Them “thing now.
            Reconciliation!
            Yes,the TRUTH will prevail…and will set you FREE,at last!
            Betri Haki Tiketin ember aitisiberin!
            I believe PMMZ,RIP, was following that Golden Principle.
            Abinet,
            I credit you for cooling down,for your reconilaitory tone and for making a ” Legal U-Turn”,for good and positively.
            Read my previous thread that “confused” you,understandabley.
            I am planning to reconcile and go back to my “Beautiful” and adorable “Ethiopian girl friend”.
            Mother Nature is–tough and over-rules everything!

          • tafla

            “1. I don’t see Eritreans as “them.” I see them as “my people” whether we are in two countries or one it doesn’t matter to me, and it never has. Otherwise my being on this forum as much as I do would be hard to explain.”

            The feeling is mutual Fanti. Demarcating the border would solve most of our problems though, so that dialogue between the two governments can resume and people to people diplomacy would heal the wounds quickly. I have never understood those who think dialogue before demarcation is possible. If it was, would we have gone to war in the first place? I appreciate that you have not let hatred occupy a space in your heart.
            God bless you!

          • abrham

            Hi tafla
            Before or After the demarcation I think Issu is not ready for negotiation that is for compromising. That is the fear I think of the Weyanes. But with other responsible gov it is possible dialogue before demarcation. How many of the E-African countries do you think their borders demarcated? many but still on negotiation not in no war-peace situation?

          • abrham

            Selam Fanti
            I like your take though I have some questions

            -Eth governments making mistakes? Do you mean even the latest one? Ok what about the other way? Is Eri gov a saint to Ethiopia and to the region?
            -Like you I would be happy if Badme had gone for good if it guarantees peace and other favourable conditions. But, do you ever heard about the 25 kilo meters buffer zone inside Eri and the UN peace keepers? What is your take on that and the Algiers agreement and then the EEBC?
            -Do you believe Ethio government is doing this to see a weaker eritrea like Yodita and Mahumud told us?

            Thank you

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abraham,
            I may have said the same thing over and over all day today in my reply to others, but I will come back to address some of your questions and more soon (may be next weekend).
            Selam.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Thank you very much for your reply and the points you raised. Until very recently I used to share the feeling and still agree with few of the points you raised. Yes, I see the Eritreans as my sisters and brothers, for many reasons that I think is
            more else similar to what you experienced. I am not (have never been) good at politics. I sometimes ask if this weakness has been the source of some of the convictions that I shared with you. Somewhere in his reply to your comment, Amde has nicely put it. Let me try to go bit further on some of the points you raised.

            1. You don’t see Eritreans as “them. I had the same stand as yours. I know there are few Eritreans who believed the same.
            But the history that I and you know is being changed with the emergence of the new nation. “Thanks” to some European expatriates and Eritrean researchers, plenty of archeological and historical evidences are being “invented” that could be used as references by both the present and the coming Eritrean generations that the verify we have never been the same
            people as it has been claimed by those of us from south of the Mereb. Dozens of documentary films, dramas, literatures and historical books have been produced that falsify the conviction that I and you naively believed. Recently, I have read a
            document that states that the history of the Axumite kingdom was bounded to the current Eritrea and the TIP OF NORTHERN ETHIOPIA and this has led me to have impression that according to this document the southern limits of the Kingdom might have not go few Kilometers south of the present Aksum. My Dear Fabti Ghana, if this is what they believe, there is nothing we can do but respect these findings and agree to disagree.

            2. Who was asking here at Awate.com as how many Tigrians should die to win the heart of the heart of Eritreans? To me such questions have a very powerful message for us –The Ethiopians. You have mentioned the political stand TPLF has since its inception as a political organization. Although I believe it was partly for its survival, many thousands have shed
            blood for that cause. Remember Amora. But what are most of the Yika’alo said about them. Do you know the road from Asmara to Keren? The Yika’alos have named a portion of that road as Libi Tigray- in honor and memory of them. That is how I understand it if they are still calling that road. Who knows, next time they may add the zig-zig road between Asmara and Massawa as LBTG-2. Sorry, I this always irritated me and I don’t expect this from someone who I call a brother.

            3. You have raised some political issues. I agree with that many Ethiopians believe that the border issue should have been settled diplomatically and legally. But once the war started it was wrong to go to The Hague after wasting thousands of
            precious life. May be that is the bad side of politics and only politicians would know the trick to as to why they
            would have different stands at different times. I don’t think that ordinary citizens like me and naive intellectuals such as you would present any acceptable solution for a complicated problem designed by odd politicians. That is why your convictions on the issues of the settling the border conflict sounds to me as if it was coming from a religious individual.

            4. I am a good wisher for my brothers and sisters in this new nation. It is my wish that the problem between the two
            countries would get a final solution one way or another as soon possible. But as long as we are different nations, we have to be treated each other different citizens as our brother from South Sudan, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya.

          • Rahwa T

            Sorry, Please read “Sorry, I this always irritated me and I don’t expect this from a people who I call a brother.

          • Hopeful/Hope

            Rahwa,
            Are you in your right mind?
            The libi Tigray,bla,bla,things are a centuary old nick names but as Fanti said it eloquently,there was a reason behind it-Anger and remorse-and make NO mistake,legitimately though!
            on the same token,eritreans are NOT Angels either and we feel your pain and respect and understand
            I do NOT want to go into details as you know it/them.
            But does it matter or is it essential again “to pee ni dihrit kem ghimel and tehatsibkas nab chikka”?No—
            It reminded me the recent story by Mr Heren Cohen or Mr. Dan Connell about bringing in similar reactions like you did that he believed,unfortunately with some truth in it,where he brought the issue of “Revenge” as one of the major reasons for the “border war.”One of the reasons is what you stated,nicks like Libi Tigray,Eritreans considering Tigreyan Inferior,etc—–
            But you know the role of some Tigreyans in the old days of Janhoy and mainly during the Dergue Era.
            Do I need to mention few examples?
            _Acting as the main Terror Agents of the Dergue Regime and decimationg many Eritreans Youth besides going far to the extent of “poisoning our wells and Rivers”….Do you want me to go on?
            But we have become “Best Friends” though to the extent of routing out the Black Military Power.
            Call it a Tactical or Strategic Friendship,it worked and we,Eritreans forgot and forgave and left behind the PAST and have done our BEST to treat you Tigreyans and the whole Ethiopians as our best and closest friends and Neighbour.
            Case in point,I was involved deeply likely most Eritreans did, in Addis and Washington DC area for the BEST interest of the Ethiopians,particularly Tigreyans,in all aspects and events until 1997,of course.I mentioned this to challenge any one who could chalenge me on this issue.
            What matters is today and tomorrow,not yesterday.
            Let us reconcile by forgeting and forgiving each other and move on,as regurgitation of the past and living in the past does nothing good but BAD!
            I believe that is the principle of Fanti Ghana.
            Does it hurt or cost any thing to be so like Fanti or ftollow Fanti?Nada,none,zero.But it helps and it heals….the sky will be the limit for the betterment of both Nations and the peoples.
            But definitely,it does hurt if we live in the past and say an do what Rahwa is trying to do…
            Reconciliation NOW!.
            As a human being,have you ever hated some one, or had issues and grudges with some one–a family,friend,father,wife,son,daughter,etc?How does it feel?
            Very bad in my experience.
            On the same token,when you reconcile with that perosn,how does it feel?
            Big time relief and peace .
            The choice is yours/ours.
            Either to live with hatred,grudges,suspicion,grief,etc–with its/their secondary psychological negative consequences;or to forget and forgive and live in Perpetual Peace,Tranquility,TRUST,progress, prosperity,etc—??
            May the Lord enlighten us all.
            “Our Father,who art in the Heavens,give us our daily bread and forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us NOT into temptations but deliver us from evil.”
            Amen

          • Fanti Ghana

            My dear sister/daughter Rahwa,
            “… coming from a religious individual”?
            That made me laugh, because I didn’t see it coming.

            You made some fine points too. I was just writing dine about
            Eritrean’s grievances, so, I will skip some of that here. The best way to understand
            Eritreans is to go as far back in history as possible and try to see the whole story
            of how they got here. I know this will sound generalization, but believe me
            when I tell you this: you may be seeing them on their angry hour, but Eritreans
            are the most generous and good hearted people I have ever known. All the libi-Tigray
            and such are just expressions of anger and nothing more. Earlier, when I was
            writing dine it occurred to me that this is a subject that needs a serious talk
            between all of us Ethiopians. And hopefully I will try to address it in more
            detail sometime soon. Stay tuned.

            PS: forget about being a politician. It is overrated. You stay
            as human as possible for as long as you can. Trust me this is “age” talking.

          • wolde ab

            Are you deliberately playing the role of Polly Anna for the so called Awatistas or are you this naive?
            “Good hearted people” ? Go to Tesfa News ans Madote and read the comments. Before you finish reading a paragraph from any comment section, I guarantee you that you would have come across two or three Agame this , Agame that and that favorite word of theirs…..;lementi,
            I wonder what kind of rationalization you are going to come up with.
            Proud Agame
            wolde ab,

          • haileTG

            Dear Wolde ab

            Let me clarify this for you:

            – Tesfa, dehai, madote, raimoq…are controlled media and you can only air that kind of views. Most comments there are written by paid hgdef operatives to stir hate and isolate the Eritrean people (you need to isolate people in order to abuse them)

            – Awate, assenna, asmarino… are by free willed Eritreans and you admit that you don’t get those abhorrent discourses here. Some of those operatives come here at times but they are ridiculed and hounded by free thinking Eritreans.

            Take your shot

          • haileTG

            Hi Fanti I remember the song 😉

            Any way let’s tell our brother dine we are cultured and when we kiss chicks it is normally the chicks located above the shoulder not below it 😉 what is he on…:-)

          • dine

            haile TG , I know average eritreans are cultured people but according to your own word above it looks like you know so little about decent culture and it is hard to include you with the decent eritreans.

          • haileTG

            hey dine,

            here is a deal, I will settle with exclusion from your customized list, provided you firmly stay on your belief that “I know average eritreans are cultured people’, that is the truth and would improve your conduct noticeably to exhibit it in your discourses here. If you’re writing something that other would hesitate to repeat but x it out, then check yourself again. This is not criticism but a light way of reminding you being courteous would help.

          • Eyob Medhane

            dine,

            what is wrong you, bro? Come on. Don’t do that…

          • Eyob Medhane

            Haile,

            don’t pay attention to dine’s kind of ‘gutter talk’. Instead, if you plan to visit Addis in January, let me know. I will be there and volunteer myself to be your full time guide, not only in Addis but all over Ethiopia, including my hometown Shashemene…. 🙂

          • dine

            me start the ‘gutter talk’ , are you trying to be smart or what.

          • Fanti Ghana

            I think dine got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, but I am not holding that against him.
            I know how I sound sometimes.
            Selam.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Fanti,

            Are you testing me? 🙂 Sorry. My Tigrigna is very minimal…. 🙂 In case you haven’t noticed, I only understand it, don’t speak it fluently, and never tried here in awate to write in Tigrigna and embarrass myself 🙂

            Haile,

            Help!!!!!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Sorry Eyob,
            Your name is so misleading…
            Any way, there was a song long time ago that goes like this:
            ere ante DERG bisbisu wonbede yemitlegn,
            tankochun sakatel at`tazebegnem wey!
            But I was telling Haile TG that I couldn’t possibly say that to you. Although I was tempted.
            Selam.

          • Serray

            Selamat Haile the Great,

            Shaebia leaders boarding Ethiopian airlines…I have a somali friend who tells me that badme was ignited to serve both leaders. For isaias, to shelve the constitution and eliminate the next generation of leaders and for meles, to wipeout opposition and clean house. The EECC mentioned how shaebia and woyanes were doing business way after the war. You can tell the judges were surprised given the vicious attacks coming from both sides. Who knows, the way woyanes keep in check the opposition and trained soldiers in concentration like camps and the way shaebia melts theirs opposition in eritrea by assigning them giffa duties, I wouldn’t be surprised if these two groups have been doing each others bidding.

            About using shaebia instead of higdef, unlike this person, I use it to tie the movement to the present misery because both are done by the same people and the exact same organization with a different name. To split shaebia from higdef is to say a person with a hat is different without a hat. Tactically, I use shaebia to draw out shaebias. As long as they let their comrades do this to our people while they watch silently or enjoy their loot, then they own both the “independence” and the horror they ushered. Of course, they can prove us wrong but I doubt it Shabia now is about to surpass the years they spend in medda. Shaebia as an organization stands today very close to spending more time repressing and brutalizing the eritrean people than they did fighting dergi for God knows what.

          • Nitricc

            What a dumb analogy.
            If a person hat different hat he is the same person.
            Okay sunshine, if a person had a brain injury is he the same person?
            Shaebia ceased to exist when people like Haile Drue , people like General Abraha; keep going all the way to G -15.
            Shaebia was Shaebia with those great and brave people. When all those great people made to disappear the great shaebia become the hard to phantom PFDJ.
            But knowing you came from school of YG; you are forgiven.
            By the way did you read his last Article , lol what is wrong with dude ? He was taking about Zuria. Lol. Something is missing? Oh a job.
            I don’t know which one is more sever punishment. Dejen’s imprisoment or reading yg’s entire article.

          • abinet

            Why don’t you try Dejen’s imprisonment and get back to us after 15 years. This place will be more lively.

          • Nitricc

            I could have told you to the brim but then I am the one will pay the price. So let me shout my mouth. And I know this forum will be lively with out me becouse that is your people ‘s agenda. To get rid of my kind who stand up to you and calls for what you are. Trust I know what you and the rest of you know what wanted. Awate.com will not become Andinet . Com. Trust me.
            I know you are offended I mentioned your king YG; I understand why you will get update and talk to me.
            I thought you don’t talk to dead people? What happened? Oh I get it YG.
            Get a life.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Serray,

            I must say that the “Dawit Meconnen” theory is something closer to the one you are alluding to. I am not sure, however, if you go as far as giving it ethnicity flavor as a deeper motive (if you did then that is indeed “Dawit Meconnen’s theory” 🙂

            Truth be told, I would ask you to stop for one minute and scan in your mind through the entire mass of people, walks of life, sections of society, backgrounds, levels of education and skill….that constituted the shaebial (or the latter part of ghedli) movement. Now do the same to scan through (the eye of your mind) the few, belligerent, beleaguered, ill equipped and ill organized people who are runing the regime and its propaganda arm. Could you honestly say the latter is shaebia? If you look at the tegadelti (mostly high ranking) section of ghedli and and equate them to the entire body of the movement then that is not accurate. Even if you look at the vast number of tegadelti, our problem is their lack of proper skills and some general weakness in their judgement of how their actions could undermine the nation building process. Most were not criminalized and their crimes are no worse than the civilians. It was just that they were trusted more than they could deliver and their reaction to it was trying to impose their failed ways rather than letting the population free. The fewer sections of tegadelti who are instigating all our current problems are actually criminalized persons who don’t give a hoot if the country exist or get lost. These were hand picked (coached by the regime) in the move conducted to completely take state control. The G-15 were asking for democratic reform, once democratic process starts it maintains its own momentum and by and large that was what Eritreans expected to eventually get after supporting and raring ghedli. It is hard to pontificate about IA here, there are many theories out there, but what we know is that his group has been priming the rogue elements in the 90s and finally turned savagely upon the Eritrean nation to bring it to its current situation. why? I guess everyone can take a shot on that.

            The Eritrean people are disillusioned and insecure at the moment. This was the plan all along and the regime’s techniques that it uses to play us are not home grown. Study them closely, there you will find that they are alien techniques (scientific at that) and it is difficult to see we could have gotten hgdef beaten down like this without the massive international support in its isolation and quarantining and now finally incapacitating it from being able to legally defend itself using imported armaments. I am no expert in this but it all has the whole mark of an enemy that was inside shaebia. Other than that we all know shaebia had the hearts and minds of the people and you don’t get that as hgdef, not even something better. Shaebia was much too much successful. Hgdef never got off the ground and even the regime never ever use its name in its propaganda. Mind you, all of the dergue members come from the HS state apparatus (defense) but are not the Crown. Those were people who took over and changed course. IA has also took over with his group and changed course. Otherwise, why would G-15 claim that IA was not acting as per the hopes and aspirations of the organization? Many points to ponder but when we equate hgdef to shaebia, something doesn’t quite add up. Let’s not just focus on the military and security component.

            Regards

          • Serray

            Selamat Haile TG,

            Listen to Berhane Afro, listen to many shaebia tegadelti, and honestly tell me they don’t use shaebia to refer to this repulsive regime. In the latest video you posted, Berhane Afro, a tegadalai himself, was asked to make a distinction between higdef and shaebia my someone I am 100 percent sure was not a tegadalai, tried but the honest in him reverted back to referring the people brutalizing eritreans as shaebia.

            Haile, I know exactly who these people are. They baptized themselves in 1994 with a new name, transferred all shaebia’s powers and properties and continued without even taking a breather. The history of the opposition is a history of missing opportunities. I don’t mind if all you are asking me is to simply make a distinction, but you are not. You want me to put on a pedestal an organization every single person committing these crimes came from. There is very little crime in eritrea that is not committed by shaebia tegadelti.

            Here is what amazes me about this, in real life I refer to this regime as shaebia and nobody corrects me; including and especially shaebia tegadelti. Only at awate do you see this silly dichotomy. In real life, everybody I know admits things were a million times better before ghedli; only at awate you get called a name for stating the truest of truth. Whether the romantics like it or not, independence is killing eritrea; everyone can see that. This relents effort to separate ghedli from shaebia and shaebia from higdef has to stop. There is only one difference between shaebia in medda and shaebia in asmera; they fought to defeat ethiopia in medda and they are fighting to defeat the eritrean people in asmera. The same people but different target, that’s all. And if we go by what is coming out of the country, by what the courageous priests are saying, they are winning.

            Shaebia ambassador to israel puts it right when he said, if you want to defeat shaebia, you have to fight shaebia in eritrea. Berhan Afro puts it even more brutally, if you want to defeat shaebia, you have to go to medda. It is that obvious. Let us stop putting lipstick on the pictures of isaias to make him look different that the brute he always had been. Shaebia is higdef as sure as wedi afom is isaias.

  • Haile WM

    Dear AT
    I would like to ask your help regarding the article on Jeberti.com, wether it’s authentic or not. there are some quite interesting things.

    http://jeberti.com/Article14/AHMED%2013-0226%20STAT%20DEC%5B1%5D.pdf

    • Nitricc

      If you believe this garbage was written by Ali Abdu, then you better check your sense of judgment.
      Do you think Ali miss spell Eritrea?
      Check it out.

  • ANDOM

    Now the Eritrean political issue since year 2000 seems to be
    distilled and settled into two distinct parts.
    1- The first one whose proponents are Tigrans and half of the ER opposition
    that says ” Let’us forget our decades of sacrifices for freedom and submitt
    to the demands and needs dictated by woyanes and their neftegna allies.”
    2- The second group says ” There should be a way out without surrendering
    our freedom and without abandoning our decades long struggle and sacrifice
    as insignificant. Though it seems imposible and requires more sacrifice there
    is a light at the end of the tunnel. So it can be done and it is possible !”
    Thus if we look at the above two contradictory solutions put on the table
    the first one which has been the central theme of the opposition and tried
    so far for 2 decades was unable to bring the desired solution as it was expected.
    That means let us follow the second group and give them the chance of how
    they will lead us out of our current problems and predicaments before being
    judgemental before hand.
    But if my memory serves me well these second group were dismissed outright
    without heard and given a chance with the heated passionate politics dominating
    then clouding everybody’s sober judgement as a consequence of the sudden
    surprise of events that came with the secretive war.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Andom,

      In both cases your synthesis is wrong. Read again and re-write them.

      Hawka
      tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Andom,

      Unless you have a biased tendency there isn’t any factual assessment in your comment. Revisit your comment and come with sober mind at least to engage you.

      Hawka,
      Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hope

      Dear Andom,
      Your comments,in my opinion, are based on facts on the ground and recnet history, but some people will NOT buy it for simple and obvious reasons.
      I am amused about few debators here,who were quick to judgement and conclusions.
      Eventhough they know the facts, I advise you to mention briefly your justifications and proofs so as to “shut them up”, or to make them come back to their senses and make concessions and proper U-turns.
      They did not even try to be a bit diplomatic,which is a sign of a defensive reaction/mechanism..
      Just try to be blunt and list some facts,please.
      If there is a realistic “Third way”,kind of between group 1 and 2,I would have gone for that.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Andom,

      I think you are not confident for what you said. Anyway, I will oppose your synthesis by the same points you raised.

      The Eritrean poliitcs is not yet distilled. I may agree with you that here in awate the politics of Eritrea is always questioned and distilled. Yet, we have to work a lot to raise the public awareness to the same level and still reach at the same level of consciousness, if not the majority, the elites.

      Then, to your points,

      1. No one is saying, “let’s forget our decades of scarifies for freedom…”” What people say is different. And by the way, Tigrayans have no any role here. They are looking for a better free Eritrea. The way they reach such objective could differ, but are no one to tell the Eritrean people to forget. May be, they are looking for friendship by reconciling with the past history. The majority of Eritreans are saying, “Enough is enough.”

      2. The second group you mentioned, actually it is your classification, but if they exist, they are saying, There is a way to own our own freedom. What ever the means, there is a way. And no notion of surrendering.

      The first group are just opposing while the second group are resisting against oppressors. If you are not able to understand the difference between “opposition”and “Resistance” kindly read SGS article, “Shum Gedede and the Goatskin”

      Hawka
      tes

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatistas,

    Cold war allies at its brisk.

    PFDJ officials touring Crimea

    High-level Eritrean delegation headed by Foreign Minister Osman Saleh conducting visit in Crimea

    Source: http://shabait.com/news/local-news/17209-high-level-eritrean-delegation-headed-by-foreign-minister-osman-saleh-conducting-visit-in-crimea

    The diplomacy at its verge of war zone

    hawkum

    tes

    • Semer gaim

      troubled areas of the world are vacation places for PFDJs. Remember Somalia-Alshaba? and now Ass-kissing Putin, i am fearing for my country.

      • hope

        Well,what choice does Eritrea have then?It exhausted all venues to amend the relationship with the USA and the EU but to no avail and rather,the Western Powers have chosen to humuliate,to subjugate and to samsh Eritrea.what do you think then will be eritrea’s option?Sit back and be a victim for ever?15yrs is more than enough.
        Why cannot Eritrea have the right to do business with any countyr it wish to do?
        If the USA et al are using every venue to subjugate and smash Eritrea in every aspect,why cannot Eritrea has the right to defend itself by all means possible for its existence and survival,dude?
        Would you be surprised if a Russian Naval Force takes over Aseb Port soon?OrIf Eritrea signs an agreement with Russia for $2 billion worth of Medium RangeGuided Missiles,T-90 Tanks, Su-35,etc— or even sign a total defense Pact with Russia for the next 10 yrs or more?

        • Yodita

          Dear Hope,

          Regarding your first para, the USA and EU (assuming that your statements are 100% true, we are referring to Eritrea under IA rule, which to say it most mildly is off-track and cruel to its citizens.

          Regarding your second para, your write as if the cold war is in full swing but that is not the case as yet. There are some countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America who are concentrating in defeating poverty, inequality, injustice and what have you and they are making a dent. IA’s Eritrea is about 50 years behind in assessing its place in the present globe. IA is still wallowing in the global reality of the 60s, 70s and stop. Hangolun smiEtun deskilom eyom.

          • Hopeful(aka Original Hope)

            Ohh,come on Yodita,this is the first time you “annoyed ” me.Let us be realistic.People regurgitate old histories non-stop for the sake of doing so.
            The betreyal of Eritrea did NOT start with IA’s arrival.It is 60+ yrs old history.
            Are you forgetting the recent history of strangulating Eritrea in all aspects?Please do NOT push me to regurgitate things again and again.You well know the Architects of the sancions and their motivation, The Regime Change saga,the Ethnic,Region and Religion based Poletika ,not to mention the open support of the Terrorist and Secessionist Movements of the RSADO,the DMLEK,etc—
            I am just amused about you ,supporting the Weyane sponsored Opposition Poletika.
            Look at the collateral damages of all the conspiracies and the sanctions,etc—-Ok ,let us say ,you support these conspiracies and sanctions,threats,etc—are to remove PIA,then what?
            And still knowing fully that all the sanctions are directly affecting Eritrea as a Nation and Eritreans as people,not to mention the issue of the Youth exodus,eventhough you will tell me that all these are due to PIA.
            Eritrea+Eritreans on one hand and PIA are totally different and they should be treated as such,i.e.,differently.
            There is a simple way of removing PIA with out the need of torturing Eritrea and Eritreans.
            Having said that, and considering that the PFDJ has an obligation to defend Eritrea and to protect itself and its interest,not just Eritrea’s interest,as an entity/responsibile and liable Government,it has every RIGHT to be-friend with the Devil of the devils,let alone to build relationship with Nations….
            I just cannot comprhend this kind of simple logic you guys are talking about.Hating PFDJ should NOT tempt us to lose control and to jeoparadise Eritrea’s interest.We are talking about the “Unknown” outcome,eventhough we know the possible outcome.
            This does NOT mean that that youa are NOT for the interest of Eritrea or you are less Eritreans.
            But your Strategy and your arguement is against ‘the ” Unknown” bad consequences if the PFDJ does NOT do what it “has to do” as a responsible and liable Governement.You have to convince me other wise.
            “Dihri motey sa’eri aibkol,as long as PIA is removed at any cost”.Diyu negheru?
            This is my opinion.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear hope,

          Every country or person has the right to make business or relationship at his choice. This is general truth. But at the same time, business is business, it needs careful assessment if not, bankruptcy is not far. Look, PFDJ business with Gadafi, DIA was the first leader to overhaul the sanction imposed by the international community. But DIA disobeyed this and landed by plane to Libya where he was accepted like a national hero. Well, it was not bad for him until the tyranny was removed from power by the popular appraisal of Libyan people. Then, what? No oil in Eritrea. Total failed and miscalculated relationship.

          Go to Al-shebab, the same. Even worse, it ended up with sanctions. Turn to Sudan, after the cessation of one Sudan, the South Sudan was a good business center for PFDJ firms. And, he was not satisfied with that, he continued to fund the eastern rebel groups of Sudan. He was totally failed with South Sudan after all this support and energy he lost in supporting the SPLM. failed business startegy. And same is with Eastern Sudan, though it looks more open, Eritrea’s total dependency is not going to last long.

          Even they have tried diplomatic relationship with Iran, with frequent visit of the foreign minister. I think they were ok in doing the black market till the Iranian ship was red handed in the Red Sea loaded with missiles and artillers which were supposed to the middle East. Failed black market business. And now, they are going to the most volatile region, the Crimea, the black-Sea. And they are founf to call the Crimea region as Republic of Crimea, a country. Who the hell on this earth are these PFDJites to search troubled war zones? Why?

          According to DIA’s letter to Putin, it is clearly indicated as a revival of Cold war diplomacy. Is that what you are saying any country has right to do business with any country?

          And what is the cost for doing this?

          Sanction? isolation? economic decline? black market?

          C’m’on hope, be like your name. Invest to harvest good, not to harvest the opposite.

          You are saying, “if the USA et all are using…” yah, you forgot the truth that the main strategic position for PFDJ is USA. Let’s not be fooled by such propaganda.

          Hawka
          tes

      • hope

        Dear Semer gaim,
        I beg your pardon,sir?If the enemies of eritrea have applied every evil startegy to subjugate and smash Eritrea for 15yrs now,what do you expect Eritrea to do?
        Would you be surprised if the Russian Top Naval Force docks in Aseb port soon?What if Eritrea signs a big chunk of defense package with Russia for the next 10 yrs—,which may include total protection of the whole Eritrea with the latest Air Defense System and the latest tanks,Migs,Sus,Medium Range Guided Missiles,etc—?

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear all,

      AN important step in the Eritrean politics

      ኣርባዕተ ካቶሊካውያን ጳጳሳት ኤርትራ፣ ኣብ ህሉው ኩነታት ኤርትራ ዘለዎም መርገጺ ዘነጽር መልእኽቲ ዘርጊሖም

      ህዝቢ ኤርትራ፣ ብቁጠባዊ ቅልውላው፣ ብዋሕዚ ስደትን ሳዕቤናቱን ካልእ ማእለያ ዘይብሉ ጸገማትን ኣብ ከቢድ መከራ ወዲቑ ክነሱ፣ እቲ ጠንቂ “ኣይሰላም ኣይኩናት” ስለዘሎና’ዩ ዝብል መደምደምታ ክወሃቦ፣ ነዚ ኵናት’ዚ ንምልዋጥ ድሌት ወይ ዓቕሚ የለን ድዩ ዝብል ሕቶ ከምዘልዕል ካቶሊካውያን ጳጳሳት ኤርትራ ገሊጾም።

      እቶም መንበረ ኣስመራ፣ ባረንቱ ከረንን ሰገነይትን ዝወከሉ ኣርባዕተ ካቶሊካውያን ጳጳስት፣ ነዚ ገለጹ፣ ብምኽንያት መበል 23 ዓመት ናጽነት ኤርትራ፣ ኣብ 25 ግንቦት ግንቦት “ሓውኻ ኣበይ’ሎ” ብዝብል ኣርእስቲ ናብ ምእመናን መላእ ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ኣብ ዘመሓላለፍዎ 35 ገጻት ዘለዎ ናይ ጽሑፍ መልእኽቲ’ዩ።

      http://erena.org/zena/natl/643-%E1%8A%A3%E1%88%AD%E1%89%A3%E1%8B%95%E1%89%B0-%E1%8A%AB%E1%89%B6%E1%88%8A%E1%8A%AB%E1%8B%8D%E1%8B%AB%E1%8A%95-%E1%8C%B3%E1%8C%B3%E1%88%B3%E1%89%B5-%E1%8A%A4%E1%88%AD%E1%89%B5%E1%88%AB%E1%8D%A3-%E1%8A%A3%E1%89%A5-%E1%88%85%E1%88%89%E1%8B%8D-%E1%8A%A9%E1%8A%90%E1%89%B3%E1%89%B5-%E1%8A%A4%E1%88%AD%E1%89%B5%E1%88%AB-%E1%8B%98%E1%88%88%E1%8B%8E%E1%88%9D-%E1%88%98%E1%88%AD%E1%8C%88%E1%8C%BA-%E1%8B%98%E1%8A%90%E1%8C%BD%E1%88%AD-%E1%88%98%E1%88%8D%E1%8A%A5

      And to read the full content of the document,

      http://assenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Bishops_Eritrea_Eparchy.telus_.pdf

      hawkum
      tes

      • Rodab

        Thanks Tes,

        Wow! What courageous fathers! What a refreshing thing to read!

        Check out paragraph 23, for example. They basically told the dictator to implement the constitution and bring the jailed before court!!
        Time allowing, I will try to super- briefly summarize some of the many excellent points they raised.

        I hope the shark’s mouth doesn’t slum shut upon them. God have mercy!

      • hope

        Tes,
        Kind of too late though?Dihri mai nab be’ati??May be a bit late is better than never.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear hope,

          late of what?

          hawka
          tes

      • haileTG

        Dear tes,

        Indeed this is the second time that they are speaking up. The last time they did this, the regime had continually harassed them with national service and other related stuff. The coward that the PFDJ is, it wouldn’t do what it would have done if the same was to be raised by the Orthodox, Moslem or its own Ministers. The Priests have strong external backing and hgdef would just have to swallow its pride an live with it. I don’t think it would do any of the changes recommended and take to heart the blunt advice given to it to desist from its unlawful, immoral and dictatorial ways.

        BTW PFDJ, having been completely bankrupted in the political domain, has now been reduced to pretending to be an opposition and spend its day blaming woyane and other oppositions for its faults. So, the current opposition includes PFDJ, funny really 🙂

        • Rodab

          Alora Hailat,
          When you say they have external connections, could you elaborate?
          One of the main reasons the EOC (Eritrean Orthodox Church) is in such a deep crisis is because early on, it sought the regime’s financial assistance (today, it is the other way around). That’s when EOC handed over the independence of the Church to the regime. The Catholics on the other hand, didn’t need the regime’s help, because they sufficient get help from the Vatican. Not only do they get material assistance, but more importantly, they get strong advocacy voice in times of jail and troubles. I assume this is where you are coming from when you mentioned external connection.

          • haileTG

            Hey Rodab,

            You pretty much covered it all. But, one thing I could add is that there is ongoing battle of wills between the Catholic church and the regime. Please read a summary of the situation in the following cable:

            https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07ASMARA699_a.html

            In early 2012, the Italian school in Asmara was briefly shut down and later reopened. Despite all these, it is highly courageous that the Bishops are holding steadfast. Unlike the Orthodox church however, they are more connected to EU (via Italian) and US sympathetic ears.

            Regards

          • O-Hope

            Unfortunately,that is why PIA is seriously scrutinizing the Eritrean Catholic Church as he considers them the Agents of the CIA…besides his parnoia against any body who challenges him

          • The Original Hope

            Rodab,
            Let me ask you basic questions:
            You said:
            “That’s when EOC handed over the independence of the Church to the regime. The Catholics on the other hand, didn’t need the regime’s help, because they sufficient get help from the Vatican. Not only do they get material assistance, but more importantly, they get strong advocacy voice in times of jail and troubles”.
            1-Are you Catholic and/or, are you an insider so as to know the details of the business of the Eritrean Catholic Church?
            2-What exactly are you taking about the Vatican aid?Please qualify and quantify.
            The EOC actually,would have been totally self-reliant from her own Faithful as the Orthodox Church Faithful are very generous.there was no need of depending on the Governemnt.It was due to the corruption of few of her leadership and manipulation by the PFDJ that led ot the crisis of the EOC.
            FYI:
            The Conference of the Catholic Bishops of Eritrea has been repeatedly challenging and appealing to /asking the PFDJ behind the scene to improve things and the latest public challenging and Appeal is/are just making official what has been cooking in behind the scene, after PIA gave a deaf ear to their appeal.
            The AT published an article to that effect challenging the Eritrean Christian Church with out knowing the details behind the scene.I hope this official and penetrating appeal will satisfy the AT.
            This document has been distributed in Eritrea officially and publicly,including through the Catholic Media outlets.Please log into: Eparchyofkeren.com for details.

          • Rodab

            Hello TOH,

            1- I don’t know the detail. There is nothing detail about having a general knowledge of a Church getting assistance from a higher hierarchy. You mean to tell me you don’t know this?

            2- One example would be, how about the vehicles you said were grounded by PIA. You tell me how many they were, if you want quantity.

            3- EOC would’ve been self-reliant. Yes, would’ve been….and now?

          • O-Hope

            Dear Rodab,
            Thanks .My message to you was that we have to avoid the exaggerated notion that the Eritrean Catholic Church is fully dependent on the Vatican.The Vatican,rather, depends on International Donations and Charities from its faithful then distributes minimum and basic contributions selectively to the MOST needy Churches all over the world,mainly,the Roman Catholic Churches.
            These money goes specifically to Social Services(to the Poor,Clinics,Schools,and related businesses.
            The Catholic Churh does have an extensive Net Work through major Charity Organizations and in the form of various NGOs through out the world,mainly through Europe and the USA,where some of the BEST Schools,HealthSystem,Universities,Social Justice Systems are owned and run by the same catholic Church organizations.to name few in the USA:
            -The Boston College,Boston ,MASS
            -The Notre Dam University,Michigan and NC??
            -St Thomas, St Mary’s,and St Catherine Universities,TwinCities ,Minnesota
            -The world famous University in New Orleans,Luisiana,etc—
            -The famous Catholic HealthEast Health Care System-all over the USA
            -Most of the BEST Private High Schools and Colleges in the USA
            In Africa/Ethiopia and Eritrea;
            -St Joseph and St Mary’s High Schools in Addis Abeba,Ethiopia
            -The new International St Thomas Aquinas Univ in Addis Abeba
            -Our first Asmera University-AKA,Santa Familia
            -The Hagaz Agro-Tech College of Eritrea,run by the de Lassalle Christian Brothers
            -St Joseph School in Asmera(former Junior High)–now Social Scinces Department/College)
            -The former Comboni High School of Asmera
            -The famous and Premier St Joseph School of Keren,run by the same de Lasalle Christian Brothers
            -St Mary’s and other Top Universities in kenya
            -Many TOP Social Services centers,Clinics in Ethiopia and Eritrea.Just to mention few..the tip of the Iceberg
            -etc—
            Other Local Church expenses are expected to be generated from/by the Local Faithful.
            As to the Church’s relationship with the outside world,including the USA and the EU and other Nations and Blocs,there is no direct relationship but an indirect ONE through the Vatican.
            As you mentioned though,there is defintitely some indirect role/pressure by the Vatican due to her position and status in the World Affairs.
            The USA or CIA does NOT have any control over the Vatican at all as both are at “War” due to the arrogance and over-materialistic system/Keidi-Albo plunder of the USA.
            The USA actually is under direct Watch and criticism by the Vatican continously.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam O-Hope, can you please direct me to the article that AT published to that effect challenging the Eritrean church….” I really need to know that. Please provide link, or if not the date, name of the writer and a better description instead of one rounded statement of “an article.” 🙂

          • O-Hope(will change to Hopeful

            Johar,
            Nothing personal here and I did NOT mean to challenge you..I do remember though, that you legitimately challenged the Eritrean Church/es in that posting , innocently as well,which I completely agreed with you.
            I do not have the link and the exact dates,but I guarantee you that there was an article few months ago and you can easily retrieve it and as a matter of fact,it would be more productive if you even re-post it as it was very challenging indeed,positively.
            I discussed at that time with some of the concerned parties within the Eritrean Catholic Church at that time and I threw my 2 cents advice,or opinion rather, to the Authorities that I am close with and ,that Authority, in fact, conceeded /agreed with me and with your article.This person,apparently knows you or is familiar with you and with your Activism….And who would not,honestly and positively?
            I said, “with out knowing the details” as NO body but the involved parties were the only ones who knew about it for the sake of Privacy and Confidentiality.To be honest with you,I did not know either at that time other than what Haile TG mentioned and few that I knew about,which were partly public.
            BTW,I ask your permission to change my Forum nick to Hopeful–to avoid confusion.Please advise.
            Respectfully,
            Hopeful

        • the original Hope

          Addendum:
          Strictly speaking,this is the third time,including the time of G-15 arrest.The issue was escalated after the Vicar form Khartoum visited PIA to express to him the concerns of the Eritrean Bishops.PIA even grounded all Catholic Run businesses including all but 1-2 vehicles at least for some time,which have resumed with painful scrutiny and restrictions.At one point,some New Schools and Clincs were bulldozed down during that time.he also threatened to nationalize all businesses,specially the Catholic Schools but since,apparently the Vatican intervened behind the scene, he backed off.
          The reason I said too late is simply because—every damage under the Sun has been already done.

          • haileTG

            Hope

            The damage has indeed been done, but you have to remember that these are spiritual fathers in the nation. Their views is taken as a final word in the eyes of their followers. They disputed the “no war no peace excuse” by questioning that enough has not been done to mitigate the effects of the war, they rejected the notion that “the US is driving the youth out” argument by exposing the regime that it has failed to even allow basic freedom to choose employment (the closest implication to “forced labor”), they admitted (for the first time from inside Eritrea) that people are disillusioned with the very idea of independence (when they said “how can we understand the meaning of our independence/nexanet), and of course boldly challenged hgdef (yet again) to bring those unlawfully incarcerated to the court of law or release them. This is probably the first of its kind in its scathing, daring and devastating challenge against the system put up by the regime by showing it up as incompetent, lacking and in terminal crisis in every sense of the word. When was the second time you mentioned? I remember the 2003 (plus the ongoing issues you mentioned) and this one, did I miss one?

          • O-Hope

            Hailat,
            Please check privately with the concerned parties for details.I just finsihed talking to one of my sources/insiders.
            Bottom line,you hit it right and will not put further addendum.
            Check my follow up note to Rodab.

    • Serray

      Interesting.

      Shaebia, having reduced the beginning of all history to the late sixties they don’t see the irony in this visit. If annexing Crimea on the basis that it once belonged to Russia is justified and worth sending a high level delegation, I wonder how our human trafficking and prison for profit rulers reconcile that with their glasshouse. Prostitution at its worst. I wonder who Putin will send to congratulate ethiopia if haileslasie and Mengstu’s zombies comeback to rule ethiopia and decided to take back the habesha land Minelik ceded to the italians.

    • Nitricc

      Tes
      This is the best time to put your hand at the best weapons for almost for nothing. The US is extremely fearful about the weapons in the country.
      So don’t assume the government of Eritrea is that naive. They strive at disorder and confusion. That is what exactly you have in that country.
      You may say what about the sanction; no problem ship it to Sudan. Do I know this for fact no. But from what I gather; most Likely.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      PFDJ officials Crimea and Putin talks with Obama

      Hi Nitricc, still dead man, wake-up!

      http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Ukraine_liveblog

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Let’s compare

      Leaders of the Powerful countries

      US President Barack Obama has called on his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to de-escalate tensions
      in Ukraine or face the consequences of deeper international isolation, the White House says.

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/06/365832/obama-to-putin-ease-tensions-or-else/

      And

      PFDJ:

      1. President
      Isaias pointed out that although Eritrea is not a supporter of the cold war, the fact that the past 25 years witnessed a uni-polar world, wars, continued crises and deep sufferings attests to the need for a global change which is more characterized by equal participation.

      http://shabait.com/news/local-news/17187-foreign-minister-delivers-president-isaias-afwerkis-message-to-russian-leader

      2. PFDJ recognizes Crimea as a country, Republic of Crimea

      A high-level Eritrean delegation headed by Foreign Minister Osman Saleh and including Mr. Yemane Gebreab, Head of Political Affairs at the PFDJ, is conducting visit in the Republic of Crimea.

      In a meeting it held with Vladmir Konstantonov, Chairperson of the Crimean Parliament, the high-level delegation indicated that the visit is aimed at taking observations regarding developments in the country it has been following through the media.

      http://shabait.com/news/local-news/17209-high-level-eritrean-delegation-headed-by-foreign-minister-osman-saleh-conducting-visit-in-crimea

      And Russia

      Even not calling republic of Crimea, but federalization of the east

      Putin says there should be negotiations between Kiev and pro-Russia activists in eastern Ukraine.

      “It is not Russia and Ukraine that need to be parties to the negotiations, as Russia is not a party to the conflict, it should be the authorities in Kiev and supporters of federalization in the east,” he added.

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/07/365907/putin-urges-halt-to-ukraine-operation/

      Let’s analyze, deduce and react

      Hawkum
      tes

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Please read the link below, an exerpt from Amb. Andebrhan W.Giorgis’s book titled “Eritea at a crossroads” written by Eritrean Association for justice. The take home message is “I know that you call me Agame behind my back. I will show you! I will take this country down as I put it up”. Enjoy reading.

    http://togoruba.org/togoruba1964/mainTogorubamap/mainMap/headingMap/2014A/0606EJ4-08AE.pdf

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Mr. Amanuel,

      Psychologically speaking, there is the other side of that coin too.
      Isaias probably spent most of his life diffusing real or imagined suspicion
      on his loyalty by trying to appear ultra-Eritrean. I wonder how many
      opportunities we may have missed for peaceful resolution throughout the Eritrean
      revolution.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        Yes plenty of opportunities had been missed since 1977, the Khartoum peace/unity agreement. It is really painful to recall all the missed opportunities especially for those who were crying to stop the bloody civil wars and the politics of “Unity by subtraction” to use YG’s memorable quotation of 2002, before he become a proponent against Ghedli.

        Amanuel Hidrat

  • Nitricc

    Hope, let’s forget this people. The Tigryans have agenda. They came here to convert awate.com in to Asmarino aka Andinet.com. Look already what the Tigryan Hayat is doing, she is spreading psychological warfare just to protect here Tigray. If anyone has a hallucination about civil war in Eritrea, Dejen is your answer.
    The Tigryan wanted us to exchange shoots with them and they know awate-team is going to comedown on us, i.e. if we keep up with them; we will get banned, BINGO! they will take over like they did in Andinet.com. So, let’s be smart let them insult us, when we return the favor we are the bad guys.
    For instance
    I was called a little thing, no one said anything
    I was called an animal by none but you know what it is and no one said anything.
    I was call a dead person; by none but Abinet hayat, no one said anything except Hope.
    We were called the N word by none but the seasoned and deceptive member of TPLF; TK. No one said anything. I couldn’t figure it out how a slave could use the N word to insult Eritreans. Nevertheless; we are Nigirs according to T-Kifle.
    The Entire people of Eritrea were called insane and crazy. The list goes on but when I say a word or two; all hell comes down. I did not even insult them, I just stated the fact and the awate-team didn’t like it. I guess, let’s stand back and let them insult us.

    • Hope

      My man,
      No worries.
      Never kneel down except when SHOOTING at the enemy and when praying,of course, to God only!
      Keep pushing harder bro!
      These name-callings will make you stronger than ever–and just keep ignoring them and do the business as usual.They have known /confirmed now very well, to who you are and they are trying to irritate and provoke you further.
      Kalsina Newhih Eyu Awetna ghin nay ghiddin EYU,no matter what!
      Hiji Ewin Awet Ni Hafash! Raise your AK-47/Bren/RPG up,Bro!!
      Eternal Glory to our Martyrs.
      “Kbrin Mogesin” to our Living heros and Heroines!
      Viva democratic and Prosperous Eitrea!
      Hidri Siwu’atna kitigber eyu!
      Ewe,kikhewin eyu nay ghiddin silemintay Zeikewin!

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Nitricc,

      I felt guilty for not noticing while you were being insulted like that and for not coming to your defense in time. I can’t believe someone dared to call you “little thing.” However, let me try to make it up to you with three “little” words. I Love You!

  • Nitricc

    DUP ——-) this disqus is playing games on us,

  • Hayat Adem

    Dearest Haftey Natey Yodita,
    I was away from connections, hence my delayed response to your comments on my comments. Better late than never:)
    Look- I wish I am wrong on my assessments. Of course, I want me to be gazillion times dead wrong rather seeing Eritrea slipping into a civil war. But at least that is how I’m feeling we are heading to. I don’t even have an ounce of hope that something can be done to reverse this. Unlike to the view of the acute observer, my dear friend Horizon, it looks to me civil war is a coming thing and unavoidable from where I stand except for one condition. I will come to that condition one paragraph later.
    Polarization also comes from the absence of meaningful and constructive communications among subjects and opinion makers. The absence of such communication results in the absence of notional consensus. That is the time where petty and localized interests prevail over grand collective interests, and men and women stand to protect their turf while trying to expand it using all means at their hands- a perfect storm for civil conflict troubles. Eritrean nationality and oneness is too young to survive a rough transition like that. So, my worry is even bigger than seeing a civil war, it is even a worry that contemplates the entire notion of nationhood might not survive any level of civil war at all. Because the civil war will not have any central balance that can be used as an aftermath gathering point now that the Kebessa is demographically neutralized and imbalanced, the nationality gravity center is lost for good. You now have three important elements: polarized, armed and center-less Eritrea. PFDJ, that has forcefully glued the nation is losing its grip with losing every bit of legitimacy and its mighty claws. The aggrieved and disadvantaged groups under his ruling will soon start attacking the center from their peripheries. Mobilization and normalization would have saved the day but they are already too late for IA and he is too late for them. There is something that amazes about IA always acting late.
    Only Ethiopians can save the situation now. The Ethiopians should not do this as a favor as they themselves will have everything to lose if they don’t act and consequently Eritrea disintegrates more likely than not. The current EPRDF leadership is not a bad party for us. Its principle and committeemen on supporting Eritrean sovereneity is totally amazing. Many Eritreans unfairly disavowed TPLF/EPRDF and Tigreans following the 1998 war. That war was decided single-high-handedly by IA and there was nothing they could do to avoid it. I recently read a book highlighting an excerpt of interview done with Aboy Sibhat. Sibhat reflects on the war with great sadness and regrets, and he said to the effect: the next generation and the entire world will laugh at us. We’ll be condemned mercilessly for letting this war happened between these two peoples. I sometimes doubt ourselves if we did everything that can be done to avoid the war. I am not sure what else we could have done but I see this war as a source of shame. Samora was repeatedly saying until later time in the war, ‘how is it okay for us to fight against Shaebia?’ You can see how painful it was for the Weyane leaders to decide to enter the war. I am absolutely convinced that if IA had given them a small hole of chance and possibility, we could have avoided the war. On the other hand, look at how IA has been behaving on his people and comrades, colleagues- he can only do what he does best i.e, stay the bully course and risk everything. When Kibur Minister Barakhi advised him to accept the Rwanda-US peace proposal, he said “we have no reason to rush to surrender”. IA is still acting stupidly foolish; and the wise minister is undeservingly vegetating in EraErro and no one knows if he is still alive.
    Yoditta, the Ethiopians are the best option we have now. And the Ethiopians should also know they should act for their own sake, sooner rather than later. Otherwise, as things stand today, at the pace Eritreans are boycotting their country, the young fleeing, the rest of the people inside totally being resigned, PFDJ growing even more nasty and scary monster, the EDF too succumbing to fatigue and let open the floodgates for mass exodus…what can be your best hope in such a situation? the Eritrea we know now will vapor into the air like a bubble.
    thanks, Hayat

    • Yodita

      Kbrti Haftey Hayat Adem,

      Sharing your concern through your exhaustive post is much appreciated. I am able to capture your earnest and
      dispassionate ‘alarm’ of what may befall our country much as I harbour the opposite view. I will cite a few examples of why I believe that the bulk of the Eritrean people is peace-loving and reconciliatory:

      Dejen: he emerges from being locked up unjustly for 15 years and he mesmerizes in communicating a spirit of calm, absolute clarity and HOPE;

      Amanuel Hidrat: when debating about future Eritrea, he holds that even PFDJ should be allowed to form its own party and participate in the national political arena. If this is not the highest form of being a democrat and most reconciliatory, I do not know what is;

      SAAY: for the transition period of post-IA, the present government structure should be allowed to continue its role so that chaos and violence are avoided absolutely. Most peace-loving.

      I could go on with more examples, but the three above are not merely individuals, being part and parcel of the same people, they represent ideas and beliefs of many thousands and may be even millions.

      We have immense potential to put into play our heritage to avoid chaos let alone civil war, is what I inflexibly believe. You grow up in households where common sense and noble behaviour are the key aspects of life and your make up responds to it naturally(an essential aspect that was the motor of the struggle). IA and his yes men are exceptions rather than the rule, I maintain.

      As regards Ethiopian government, they are to be admired in their efforts to raise the quality of life of their people. I tend to believe that the real architect of it was the late PMMZ but the continuity along the lines he traced is praiseworthy. I have very serious misgivings when it comes to their involvement in deciding our future. You were not here during a debate where our friend Amde believes that their first choice would be to have a ‘compliant’ Eritrea. Compliant meaning submissive, we hope, will not be in the vocabulary of our country in one way or the other. Freedom, justice and equality are why our prisons are overflowing. Dejen says those people in prison are freedom
      fighters (persecuted by an iron grip of a power crazed ill man. I add). We all know the type of prison the whole
      country has become given the obsessive control PFDJ has. My humble calculation is that the most of the Eritrean people are by de fault ‘imprisoned’ freedom fighters, gathering momentum to break away not to revenge and kill but to breathe life and to build with a renewed resolve, like Dejen.

      Kind regards.

      • Hayat Adem

        Yes Yodita,
        People are always peace loving and good loving, and the Eritrean people are. The examples you mentioned and the messages you tagged to them are wonderful. I have no a better hero right now than Dejen, not just because of the extraordinary brave heart he has shown us in his escape but even his mature messages after are well articulated and arresting. And Emma and Sal, and many others have a lot of good ideas on how to get out of this mess without drowning to what is feared, civil violence. There were good ideas from Ethiopian leaders about settling differences peacefully before the war. There were good peace proposals from near and far common friends that would enable IA to walk exit without losing. There were good advices from wise leaders like Barakhi about accepting those peace proposals and deescalate the conflict before it grew full blown. There were good assessments from the PFDJ leadership members, the so called g15, about doing total political inventory and mapping out the rest of the road for better. All those better possibilities were aborted unheeded because the power to act was held by another decider. And that person is still there hanging, and will remain there hanging to the last breath, deciding and acting all along, until the deter oration path leads him to a threshold point where he is too weak to act to reverse antagonistic encroachments. In the meantime aggrieving many more, dislocating many more, polarizing many more, endangering the kebessa people in more dangerous ways than now and isolating Eritrea even worse than it is now. In such a situation, people in the hinterland start intensifying the exodus, people in the peripheries start acting independently as they the see it fit, and political organizations (in mission and action) will directly mirror those political dynamics.
        Kind regards

        • Yodita

          Dearest Hayat,
          Thank you for your powerful post. It hit home! My feeble argument is that the violence you fear is so mellowed by age old wisdom, even in the face of the rough and ugly road IA has taken in the last two decades, there seems to me to be a Dejen-type contemplation on how to emerge free, unscathed and victorious (albeit, and here I agree with you totally, at an irreparable cost to our Berackis and our youth). Because IA totally failed to ruffle the people’s rage turning to violence, I totally exclude that the transition to real freedom will warrant chaos and violence. HOPE and the desire to construct will prevail in our peace-loving and hard-working people, Inshallah! With much respect to you Hayat.

          • Hayat Adem

            While my mind fears thinking about my fears, my heart hopes wishing for your hopes. I love my heart better than my head. Thanks. a lot, as always.

          • haileTG

            Hey Hayat and Yodita,

            A question that go closely with this topic is perhaps one asked by Ali-S(?), how would/could a civil war be avoided? I.e. in the absence of the regime never be willing to back down without sufficiently being threatened and without a united political clout by the Eritrean diaspora (in fact, majority are “irrisponsible’ enough to dance to the regime’s tune). I always thought that civil war is the result of a cornered and out numbered voice. And we have plenty of that in our case. I would like to hear your views before saying more though 🙂

          • Yodita

            Kbur Haw Haile TG,

            The border ‘senseless’ war and the 30 years struggle for independence have taken their tolls as regards turning to violence to resolve any difference, is my take. Once Eritreans manage to leave the country, their zeal for discipline, work and study is noteworthy. I keep on hammering on the age old cultural heritage of the people to abide by honesty and dignity and love of family and country that distinguishes them. Most negative traits are PFDJ-produced attributes! Just look at yourself, the injustice at home burns you and you never tire day in and day out to do your part to’scream’ it to the whole wide world through the cyber world. At this point in time, the wrongs and injustice prevailing at home weighs heavily in your mind and heart. This for me is a guarantee that we will pull through these dark times victoriously! With much respect.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sis Yodita,

            Haile’s question is the central contemporary question of our politics. Some how you softened it. Hard questions needs hard answers. Simply do this: weigh on two things (a) the power of PFDJ and its security infra-structure and the timidity of our people on one side (b) weigh the energy of the resistance force and the lack of a united agenda on the other side.Then come with a plausible answer (not the right answer for no one knows it exactly the answer). Most of the time politics is unpredictable and it has spontaneity in nature. I am not opposing you, what I am saying is give it a deep thought, as you are very capable to do it.

            Hawki,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Yodita

            Kbur Haw Amanuel Hidrat,

            I think I understand exactly what you mean in your above post: sentimentalism will get us nowhere. I
            agree but kindly note that I am no politician and my views are inevitably anything but. I must confess that this Dejen episode has impacted me very strongly. I see analogy vis-a-vis the collective Eritrean character. He says that the first 4 years of detention, he lacked the mental software to distrust and consider foul play. He kept believing that there had been a mistake and it was gonna be sorted out.
            Although IA’s regime reared its ugly head soon after Independence, the people lacked the mental software to distrust and consider foul play. The power of DeKna was omnipotent. Just like in Dejen’s case, slowly but surely this credence is now melting and giving way to a sober reflection for change.

            A western journalist of the independence era (I forgot who) described us as ‘mulish’. I rushed to look it up and the synonyms are: stubborn, obstinate, defiant, headstrong, obdurate, determined and wilful. I see all these attributes in Young Dejen and in us as a people. One of the strongest instruments that IA’s Regime uses is to make us lose faith in ourselves. To make us believe the opposite of who we are and unless we rectify it we will fall into a trap and become fearful and
            complaint puppets to manipulate as hade lbi hade Hzbi!

            We have the capacity and human qualities to achieve change without a drop of blood, is my strong belief. We are witnessing thousands of the young abandoning the guns and opting for life and opportunity, even at the risk of facing death. The craving to lead a serene and prosperous existence far outweighs the loyalty for a warlord that opts for chaos and warring between brothers. In my view, only some PFDJ brass and IA would want bloodshed but I am not the only one to think that even for that the momentum is now LOST.

          • Hayat Adem

            Haile THE GREAT, and happily saying it:
            The regime will never feel threatened enough to change course, of course. Whatever amount of threat they might sensed will always be less than the amount of what is actually exogenous and needed to change. So, no change is expected from them. I’m afraid the objective ground is moving faster of any plans and actions from the forces of change. I emphasize on the need of the interventions of Ethiopians for mutually benefiting ends, as the best plausible option if to avoid civil war.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hayat,

            For the first time ever, you said something I cannot agree on. Thank God!

            “I emphasize on the need of the interventions of Ethiopians for mutually benefiting ends,
            as the best plausible option if to avoid civil war.”

            I happen to believe quite the opposite. The reason Isaias is still in power tells me that either he is able to hoodwink enough Eritreans or he does have enough support by the most powerful or by the majority Eritreans or both. A distant third reason could be that Eritreans are not being fooled, but they want to avoid civil war and they don’t want Ethiopia’s involvement, hence, the status quo. Either way, no matter how innocent Ethiopia’s intentions may be, that tells me it is dangerous to get involved under the current circumstances. If Ethiopia interferes then we face the consequences of “I told you so; Weyane is here to get you” and Eritreans will surely divide. The only course Ethiopia must take now to trigger a change is to leave Badme.

            Selam.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Hayat,

            External intervention, be it from neighboring country(s) or other powers, usually follow a civil war that has gone out of control. Before that, it is called invasion, e.g. the invasions of Iraq and that of Afghanistan are but few. Ethiopian intervention in Somalia (overt) didn’t take place until 16 years after the start of Somalian civil war and didn’t last longer than 2 years (and without the combined international efforts, it would have ended up exacerbating the situation and letting it spiral out of control). Other regional interventions are part of peace keeping operations or part of AU/UN missions. With the current fast deteriorating grip on power by IA, what is likely to happen is a power vacum for a foreseeable future. If the removal of IA takes place with the bulk of the EDF intact, well we can breath a sigh of relief, we may say so far so good. Law and order is crucial. I am not bothers with opposition politicians punching each other out, that is no problem, normal stuff. That doesn’t involve the armed forces, it is between the opposition vying for power to fight it out. The armed forces would be responsible for safeguarding the state and maintaining law and order (neutralizing subversive acts rather than breaking up petty fights and squabbles among 50 or so political organizations). This is where the other face of external intervention comes in, covert activities. It would be a positive for Ethiopia to resist any temptation to try to influence events in the ground. Covert interventions usually go with the territory and it is unlikely the Ethiopian security establishments would work against their own interests. The key is that they invest in long term than to try to influence short term events. IA has weakened Eritrea beyond measure. Our nation’s total vulnerability is fully the responsibility of us Eritreans (you me hgdef opposition bishops…) collectively and is more of a pay back for our not being able to raise up as rapidly as the situation warranted many years ago. Today Eritrea is in precarious situation, with a thief for a president and incapable of defending itself. If Ethiopia allows for Eritreans to resolve their problems without covertly attempting to influence events, that would go a long way in securing the long term interests of both peoples. Other than that when you say Ethiopian intervention to prevent civil war, it amounts to invasion in in its standard definition and that comes at a cost too.

            Regards

        • Hope

          Could not afford to be silent but to say the least: Thank you and Auguri,Sorella mia….Keep it up.

          • Hope

            The above message is for Yodita,NOT to Hayat Adme,please.

      • Hope

        Yodita,
        Could not afford to be silent but to say the least: Thank you and Auguri,Sorella mia….Keep it up.

    • Kaddis

      Dear Hayat –
      I wish Ethiopia or any other country could be off help – but I doubt it very much. Ethiopian security is very much stretched between both Sudans ( Abiye, Darfur, the new conflict of SS ) Somalia – the ring of terror has become more global than you think …from Nigeria, Mali to Somalia and Sudan. Nairobi is not spared. Addis and its surrounding goes through a lot of security checks continuously. Eth just announced local jhihadists resembling BokoHaram.around Jimma…Egypt is looking for a crack ….the list is endless….I very much doubt they will involve more than the current level in the Eritrean case. ….

      • Hayat Adem

        Kaddis,
        But it is exactly for the same reason they should do it. Nigeria and Mali are far, Eritrea is next door. A failed state is a hotbed environment for breeding all sorts of terror operatives.

        • Kaddis

          Dear Hayat –
          Eritrea is too small to become a failed state, I’m not undermining the state potential here.( I am a strong believer of Eritrea can be a rich country by its own. Tourism only could do the trick let alone many many potential ) But security wise – countries like Mali, Libya, Nigeria are vast nations with hard to govern corners. Somalia included. And Eritreans and Northern Ethiopians in general are very ‘law abiding’ and are accustomed to central government structure….but if you insist on Ethiopian support …you are not getting the right amount of attention from the government because of your positions are not clear on many common issues…my simple advise …..try to have as much common positions with the Eth governement as possible on regional issues such as…the sanctions ( not saying its easy ) on the Nile, to some extent the border issue, on Sudan and SS, on Somalia, relations with the US and IGAD….I suggest to seek more Ethiopian political and diplomatic influence than its military …I think Somalilanders use that a lot ..just saying …

          Yodita: said Ethiopia is looking for a weaker Eritrea…I doubt it very much …cause its not economically beneficial to Ethiopia ….not boasting around but once the train starts b/n Djibouti and Addis …manufacturing will be the cheapest in Eth compared to any nation close by. …and Eritrea will be one of our Markets…don’t you think…
          Nurulen

        • Hope

          But the FACTS are?You seem to live in Mars?
          The weyanes have been doing every thingto that effect>
          Evidence: it is your home work.
          Hint:
          -Wikileakes—“Heads up that we will be going for Regime Change by any means possible: PMMZ to the State Department of the USA
          -Hawassa,Debrezeit and Mekele Conferences
          -Ethnic,Region and Religion based organizations and terrorists
          -Open Support of Secessionist Movements: RSADO and DMLEK

    • dine

      dear Hayat, you said ”the Ethiopians will have everything to lose if they don’t act” first of all i don’t believe there will be a civil war in eritrea but if it does how is eritrea’s civil war impact ethiopia bigger than somalia civil war or s. sudan (out side we are brothers and sisters bla, bla thing)? and what do you mean by ” ethiopians will lose everything”?

    • Amde

      Hi Hayat,

      I am with you on that whatever happens in Eritrea, Ethiopia wil be next. Unfortunately, for Ethiopia to do anything, it would require partnership. I am not sure the Eritrean body politic is ready for that yet. Remember, that even on this site supposedly filled with well educated and sophisticated democrats who have the luxury of living in Western democracies, it is accepted as OK to articulate policies that deny the civil and citizenship rights of people for simply being identified as “neo-andinets”.

      Until the equation changes that Eritreans en masse are convinced the PFDJ is worse for them than an Ethiopian assistance, I don’t think anything substantial will be feasible. Ethiopia will want to see a plausible alternative. That is why I think the most likely scenario is for Ethiopia to do what it can to avoid state collapse in Eritrea.

      amde

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Amde,
        Yes, the awate creams sometimes show it. But so do many supposedly sophisticated individuals from elsewhere as well sometimes exhibit it, too. But I guess Eritreans have now withdrawn their support to PFDJ. How else do want them to prove that fact other than coming to you in tens of thousands to the ever expanding refugee camps you set for them and braving live bullets at that. State collapse in Eritrea looks the next thing to happen and on its way to me. So, how is Ethiopia to avoid that because it is just watching it coming?
        regards

        • Amde

          Hi Hayat,

          It is not just the flooding of the refugees. As I had indicated before, Addis Ababa is flooded with Eritreans coming back to reclaim their properties, and many even to make new investments and to make new lives. Nothing is more representatives of the people-to-people relationship than that.

          I was rather speaking of organized groups that could be ready to take over or participate in the process of removing the PFDJ, and the post-PFDJ era. My feeling is that the EPRDF has tried and still continues to try to support something like that, but so far hasn’t been able to put together something substantial. I could be wrong of course.

          Hayat, how many Eritreans have visualized the “worst case” scenario – which is Ethiopians on tanks to militarily defeat PFDJ? This is the most remote of possibilities. But it has happened between neighbors in recent history. Uganda’s Idi Amin being pushed out by Tanzania under Nyerere, and the Khmer Rouge pushed out by the Vietnamese are the cases that come to my mind in the immediate. In both cases, there were political alternatives that could be counted on to take over, which is lacking in the Eritrean case.

          If this possibility occurs, would a substantial number (I am not even saying a majority – mind you) Eritreans welcome it as an acceptable solution? Because without it, there is very real chance that Ethiopia will be trapped in yet another guerilla war.

          I wonder though if Awate would run a poll to specifically ask this
          question? Would Eritreans welcome Ethiopian military intervention to
          remove PFDJ from power? I expect the YES numbers to be low (<10%)
          but it would be interesting to see if this number would change over
          time.

          All I am saying that is that it is not impossible or feasible. But the way I see it, right now (even as terrible as it is for ordinary Eritreans) Eritrean public opinion is such that they would rather stay with the criminal PFDJ than have it replaced by an Ethiopia backed potentially better governing entity. The risks to Ethiopia of actively taking steps are significantly higher than the reward of having a normal neighbor. (Yodita, that word "normal" is for you.).

          But don't give up and keep pushing. I bet the number of Eritreans who would agree with you are more today than last year.

          amde

      • Saleh Johar

        Selam Amde,
        Would you expect a uniform opinion on everything among any class of people? How do you expect that from “this website,” that includes you and your neighbors, to have one view? I think it is fair to ask you: why do you, “supposedly well educated and sophisticated democrat, who have the luxury of living in Western democracies,” contemplate a uniform view?

        Hundreds of people come here, and they belong to different classes, have different backgrounds and educational level, and varying life experiences. They cannot have a unified view on any issue–including their views on “neo-Andenets.” Also, I think it is hyperbole to claim that people deny citizenship to others, how is that possible? They don’t even know them! I don’t know you in person…is it conceivable that I can deny you anything at all, let alone citizenship?

        Please don’t underestimate the diverse views that are represented here; if you accept that, you will understand that trying to find one defining characteristic, opinion wise, that combines all, is inconceivable.

        Disclaimer: I belong to the group that despises “neo-Andenets” but I can’t even deny them the right to post their views. That is diversity my friend… and liberal democratic principles. If you are not satisfied with my answer, please drop me a private line and I will make sure those who annoy you are banned 🙂

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Abu Saleh (SGJ),

          Do we really need to despise them because they have different views from us even those who are tagged with “Neo-Andnets”? If we believe the Eritrean people will decide their fate, which they did, why don’t we see it as their vote and who lost as minority? Isn’t it part of the democratic ideals you and me and the rest of us we are fighting for? Just my view.

          Hawka,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Amanuel,

            You always take me to task on this issue and I do not have a new answer, just the old one. You defend their right to be nasty and all, and you deny me to despise them? Please recognize my right to despise anyone. No one has the right not to be despised by others. And I am not violating the right of neo-Andenet by despising. They continue to be neo-Andenet, and I can continue to despise them. There is not problem in that. So, please do not bring this voting thing, I didn’t say anything about it. Even the despised can vote, I know that. It is elementary. I am not fighting to love ne-Andenet, I am fighting a problem created by their predecessors. Big difference Emma. I dispose neo-Andenet just like I despise Assaw enjera.

            Let’s end it here Emma, and have a great evening my friend.

        • Amde

          Dear Saleh,

          I had to laugh at your generous offer to ban anyone from here that might annoy amde. Aren’t you afraid that just by offering to work with an Ethiopian like that, you might earn yourself the label of “neo-andenet”? brrrrr… I wouldn’t wish that on you my friend.

          I read back what I wrote, and in retrospect I see that how I phrased it could be misconstrued. The word “some” would have been helpful in this case. I was specifically referring to an exchange a month or so ago where the question was asked by one of your regulars whether, during the transition phase of a post-Issayas period, the Neo-andenets should be made part of a transitional governing coalition. A response was given they they should not and this was satisfactorily agreed to by both parties.

          Now I do not know if you yourself subscribe to that philosophy. To be honest, I actually would be interested to know. Right now it is an academic question, because I am ignorant of any such organized group that could conceivably be made part of a coalition.

          To my mind it is a slippery slope. Considering the cultural and identity ties between the communities separated by the Mereb, a good part of the Eritrean political contnuum would for sure include those that would support a varying level of relationship with Ethiopia. A “neo-andenet” label is a convenient one to throw around to disenfranchise a good proportion of the Eritrean body politic.

          amde

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatistas,

    I am questioning myself if I have added my input in killing and diverting the great ideas which were flowing here in awate forum. Because of this, I tried to contemplate on the nature of the awatistas in order to have a deeper understanding and hence forth on how to play my role in a more healthy and productive way. I don’t want to be judgmental on individual bases here, but, what I came out after contemplation is welll enough to improve my participation here so that I can have my share to keep my input safe and under one category. Politics is a game and this game needs actors. My politics is too infant that I might have failed to play in the proper way. During my stay in short time, I have learned that at least six forces exist in this form. Let me list these forces.

    1. Regular visitors:

    These are the all time awate lovers who follow the Eritrean politics. They are passive and are good in encouraging when ever they read good. The good is good as far as it doesn’t irritate them. The form is therefore like a big library for them. They are very silent. Their presence is more than appreciable at all measures. If not, who can open the library?

    2. The elites

    These are the great political philosophers of modern Eritrea. They are the pace makers, the calibrators, the penetrators and makers of all politics. Their reach is far beyond Eritrea. Their contribution, comments and creating the environment in the discussion forum is beyond my words here to express. If we remember Russian, French and other philosophers of politics so are equally will be remembered in all of our walks. Presence of this group has creates school of thought, the Awate school of thought and the elites are the think tankers. I have seen the far reaching ideas generated from this forum to reach all over the Eritrean politics.

    3. Students

    These are lucky enough to be around the elites and other visitors in this forum. Student is a student, he needs all the good knowledge to be delivered. The thing that comes next is knowing the knowledge. No worries in this regard. Graduated students does not mean that they will all apply their knowledge in the same manner. And of course, there are different kinds of students. Generally, here in awate, the students are well scrutinized before their admission. there is special criteria except the given guidelines to follow, but the forum by itself is a magnet for good students to put their face on the windows of awate.

    4. The messengers

    here there are two types of messengers
    4.1 The political messengers of PFDJ.

    Their objective is to inject the political ideology of their masters. PFDJ is nothing but a group of junta who is always afraid of elite and progressive groups. By all means then, to destroy these groups is what they are here for. Total diversion by bringing a topic that seems relevant but good enough to take you away from the topic and let you personalize the politics. these groups are highly skilled and they know how to put a single drop of word that can disturb the flow of ideas.Their approach looks low quality and unskillful.

    4.2 The Ultra-nationalists

    These have no idea in the Eritrean politics. They visit here as regular visitors but soon change to be messengers of their deep frustration. They oppose out of nothing for any idea that comes. the idea is a threat to them, these people always claim that nation is first. They didn’t have any idea on what nation is, politics is, system is, leadership is. they are always followers. And what they follow is their final destiny. They can not accept another way, a short way in fact, that can lead them to the destiny they perceived or are sure about. hence, the reject any idea that clarifies their way. These are very arrogant in their response to the topic or comments that tries to open their consciousness, They want to be ignorant.

    5. The watchers

    5.1 From neighboring countries
    and these are also of two types

    5.1.1 Those who watch the political progress of Eritrea

    These are political analysts and experts who draw the map of Eritrean politics at large. their main stay here is to draw the map and when necessary to inject in the areas where there is an error that distorts their map. They try to hold the wheel so that their map will not be totally a wrong one.

    5.1. 2 Diluters

    Having the opportunities of the presence of different groups, these groups try to dilute the idea that is generated by the elites. they try to mention what is in their region and how they see for what they say. Their recorded history of politics is the main tool to do this.

    5.2 Watchers from far

    These are group of visitors who look after the political progress of Eritrea. It is a perfect website for them to have ideas that can penetrate the whole region. Their presence is both advantageous and not. But the advantage is greater always.
    6. The re-conciliators

    The presence of these group is good but always dragging back the speed that is generated by the the elites, the debate generated between the elites and the messengers as well as between the messengers and the watchers. The forum is hard to exist without them but always absorbs 2/3 of the energy generated and sometimes more, even it affects the potential energy which is supposed to come next. The energy absorbed has no chance to survive again.

    hawkum
    tes

  • AWET

    The brutal and reckless action of Issayas has only put only those Eritreans and Ethiopians who truly love their people and country to sit on the sharp edge of the blade suffering and bleeding from both sides unlike those who chose to run away abandoning the defence of the country and the people and hiding under the protection of woyanes and other enemies of Eritrea serving their agenda in the name of opposition.
    The true ones were so pressed on one side to defend and ensure the continuity and survival of the freedom and independence of their people and country which came to be realized after heavy material and life sacrifice of decades and on the other side to prepare the people for democracy and new world developments taking place related to his
    geographical and political region…. step by step while disagreeing and opposing dictatorship in Eritrea but without giving or leaving ground to Pfdj and strongman IA in the process and holding their ground untill the last and for any eventuality that comes as surprise to the nation.
    Now who was Issayass good for ? For the Tigras and their woyane allies ? Or for Eritreans and his own supporters ? Though they could not understand and comprehend it; for the last two decades Issayass was good for the Tigras and the woyanes and bitter poison for his followers,supporters and the silent Eritreans who were shouldering all his ills and wrong policies untill the point they be called slaves by Issayas opponents for the power but actuall supporters of his acts.
    Under Issayas regime contrary to the people at home the so called opponets were
    1- In a safe and secure place in Ethiopia
    2- They were free to say what they want even foul talk
    3- They were freely conducting sub-national disuniting associations and conspiring against Eritrean sovereignity and freedom by appeasing aggressor woyanes.
    4- All these using Issayas as scapegoat and to hide their actions which sometimes is worse and destructive to Eritrea than that of Issayas himself.
    5-They were against the patriotic Eritrean diasporas and intellectuals and scholars to oppose and separate them serving the woyane agenda of isolating them from saving their country and people and prevent them from enlightening and empowering the youth at home.
    Therefor knowingly or unknowingly these so called opponents in Tigray and Ethiopia has fought against Eritrean and Ethiopian people to serve the minority rule of woyane at the expence of their people,country and history due to their ignorance or act of vengeance-all that they will or start coming to regret it of.

    • Hope

      Awet,
      A nice Article,rather.Not just a commnet.In fact, it is a good one for debate.