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Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea: Report Summary

On June 8, 2016, the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in Eritrea issued a 94-page report of its findings to the UN’s Human Rights Council.  The Commission was mandated last year by the UN’s Human Rights Council (Resolution A/HRC/29/L.23) to investigate if the crimes perpetrated by senior officials of the Government of Eritrea, and documented by the Commission in a 500-page report in June of last year, “constitute crimes against humanity” and to report back.  The UN said that the investigation should be conducted “with a view to ensuring full accountability”, i.e., name names of individuals. The 32nd session of the HRC is expected to meet between June 13 and July 1 and pro-government and anti-government Eritreans have scheduled demonstrations in Geneva for the 21st and 23rd of June respectively. You can find the new report of the Commission issued on June 8 here.  Below is a summary of the report:


1. The Commission of Inquiry is made up of three commissioners: Mike Smith, Chair; Victor Dankwa, Commissioner; and, Sheila B. Keetharuth, Commissioner.  The latter is also the Special Rapporteur of human rights in Eritrea and is mandated to prepare separate reports.

2. Despite the fact that the Human Rights Council, which is also in charge of the Universal Periodic Review mechanism, called upon the Government of Eritrea to “cooperate fully”, Eritrea did not grant admission to the Commission.  Thus, to get the Government’s side of the story, the Commission had to rely on representations made publicly by government officials in media articles and interviews; replies to HRC; and, representations made by the Director of the Political Office of the ruling party, Yemane Gebreab, in his meeting with the Commission’s Secretariat in March 2016.

3. The Commission was guided by human rights treaties and conventions that Eritrea has ratified.

4. The scope of the investigation was on alleged violations committed by Eritrean authorities throughout Eritrea, between May 1991- present, and only if it is “systematic, widespread and gross violations of human rights.” In this regard, “committed” includes not just acts committed by them or at their instigation but also their failure to prevent, investigate, and prosecute wrong-doers.

5. The Commission decided to protect the anonymity of those providing the testimony because “almost all victims and witnesses who spoke with the Commission feared reprisals by Eritrean authorities, either against themselves or their family members in Eritrea.”  Thus, their identity will be protected even from the UN, even “other sections of OHCHR” and even the “International Criminal Court” until such time that trial proceedings begin.

6. The standard of proof used was “reasonable grounds to believe”: a standard used by “other commissions of inquiry, and is also the standard used by the ICC to review evidence prior to the issuance of an arrest warrant.”

7. Regional and international laws used were: the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR); the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights (ACHPR); the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT); the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD); the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW); the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) including its two Optional Protocols of 2000; the African Charter on the Rights and Welfare of the Child and the Forced Labour Convention (No. 29) of the International Labour Organization, along with its Abolition of Forced Labour Convention, 1957 (No.105).

8. Eritrea ratified all these conventions, some as early as 1994 and some as late as 2014.  Moreover, notwithstanding claims of being on war footing, or in a state of “no war, no peace” a term which, according to the Commission, “has no legal significance,” Eritrea has never sent “a notification of derogation to the Secretary General”; that is, it has never requested exemption or relaxation of standards, due to a state of emergency.

9. Between November 9, 2015, when the Commission sent its notification that it is requesting information/documentation on whether “systematic, widespread and gross violations of human rights in Eritrea” occurred anywhere in Eritrea since 1991, until the submission deadline of January 15, 2016, the Commission received 44,267 submissions via mail and email, mostly in Tigrinya and English.  There were also significant submissions in Arabic and German.

10. Of the submissions, only 8 were from Eritrea: of which 3 were from associations and only 5 were from individuals. The rest were from Germany, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Switzerland, the UK, USA and 32 other countries.

11.  “A random number generator was used to select samples from each country proportional to the total number of submissions received from that country.  A sample size of 5 percent–or about 2250 letters–was deemed sufficient given that a review of the submissions revealed a fair amount of duplication in content.”  From this 2250, “a statistically representative sample of 500 individuals from 16 countries” were chosen and “the Commission contacted by phone each of the individuals chosen by the random sampling.”

12. The overwhelming majority of the respondents were “fervent critics” of the Commissions findings published in the first report (June 2015.)  Despite the fact that “next to none of those contacted had actually read the report, and many had been provided with sensationalised information about the Commission’s findings”; and, despite the fact that some explained that they were coerced into signing forms for fear of losing their passports; and, despite the fact that most of the writers visit “Eritrea only occasionally” far from “the walls of detention facilities and in military training camps” and had no personal knowledge of military service and almost none referenced their own experience, the Commission addressed each of their complaints, and non-sequitur, anyway.  Here are the questions verbatim, and the response of the Commission, paraphrased:

(a) The Commission of Inquiry has never visited Eritrea, and is only interviewing Eritreans in Ethiopia and Djibouti, enemies of Eritrea. As such, its conclusions are biased and unreliable;

Answer: We were denied entry visas to Eritrea.  We interviewed Eritreans in 13 countries, not just Ethiopia and Djibouti.

(b) Economic sanctions imposed by the United Nations are unjustified, sabotage the Eritrean economy, and have a damaging humanitarian impact;

Answer: sanctions occured in 2009; the sanctions are limited to an arms embargo, not an economic one.

(c) There is no rape in Eritrea;

Answer: It is such response that has helped to contribute in “creating an environment of impunity in which such violations lead to further acts of violence against women.” To the extent culture has a role in Eritrea, it is to shame and ostracize victims of rape, resulting in under-reporting of the crime.

(d) The Commission has failed to ensure implementation of the decision of the Eritrea-Ethiopia Boundary Commission (EEBC);

Answer: In our report, we concluded that the “international community and the United Nations bear an ongoing responsibility for…the non-implementation…of the ruling on the demarcation”  and “the Commission continues to urge implementation of the EEBC decision.”

(e) Eritrean military conscription is justified by the continuous threat from Ethiopia and the failure of the international community to implement the findings of the EEBC;

Answer: The problem is not national service per se, but that its implementation is “inconsistent with international standards.”  Moreover, “none of the authors referred to their own military/national service” because all had left Eritrea before 1991 or shortly thereafter.

(f) There is no discrimination against women; women participated in the struggle for independence, and hold 30 percent of high-level positions;

Answer: We noted women’s participation in the report which you apparently did not read. We also note that the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) had said that the high-level positions “benefit only women sharing the views of the political party in power” and discriminate against women who don’t share the views of the ruling party.

(g) Christians and Muslims live in harmony in Eritrea and there are no religious tensions;

Answer: We don’t dispute this.  Our concern is about the persecution of “non authorized religious denominations, and its [the ruling party’s] strict control over all religious expression.”

(h) There is no shoot-to-kill policy at Eritrean borders;

“The writers denying the existence of a shoot-to-kill policy did not explain the basis on which they concluded that such a policy does not exist” but we have reliable evidence, as recently as 2015, that it happens.

(i) Contrary to the situation in other countries, education and health care are free in Eritrea, and Eritrea has made significant progress with respect to Millennium Development Goals;

These “indicators of progress are provided by the Government of Eritrea itself” and “Eritrea does not have the type of independent institutions that would permit verification of data provided by the Government nor does it permit verification by external institutions.”

(j) Eritreans are leaving the country for economic reasons not because they are victims of human rights abuses.

Answer: “Human rights violations are cited as the main motivating factor for departure by the consistently large number of Eritreans fleeing the country, including by the rising number of unaccompanied minors.” Furthermore, there is “no similar exodus from other economically deprived states that are not in a state of armed conflict.”

13. Thus, the thousands of pro-government “submissions do not undermine the findings described in its first report.”  Moreover, because in this report the Commission focused on those who had recently left Eritrea, the violations documented in the first report–including rape and torture– persist.

14. In 2015, there were 35,845 Eritrean migrants to Ethiopia of whom a third were women. 12,370 Eritreans migrated to Sudan.  This number does not include those who did not register.   In June 2015, UNHCR reported that the global number of Eritrean refugees is 444,091.  Depending on Eritrea’s population, (reported at 3.2 million by Eritrea’s Ministry of Local Government National Statistics Office in 2010 and 6.7 million by the World Bank), the exodus is as high as 12% of Eritrea’s population.

15. The Commission finds that there is still no constitution in Eritrea, no independent judiciary, no national assembly, nor “other democratic institutions” and thus there has been “no progress in establishing the rule of law.”  There is no evidence that the civil and penal codes which have been published are in effect and when the Commission asked the deputy ambassador to the UN, he was unable to answer in the affirmative. Moreover, the codes refer to a constitution and a supreme court that doesn’t exist, and some of their articles are not in conformity with international law including their broad definition of “the crime of treason.”

16. With no rule of law, and no political will to enforce the law, the Commission finds that “Eritrean officials have committed the acts of enslavement, imprisonment, enforced disappearance, torture, reprisals as other inhumane acts, persecution, rape and murder.” These need not be crimes of commission, they can be crimes of omission when “implemented by a deliberate failure to take action, which is consciously aimed at encouraging such attack.”

17. In other words, of the eleven (11) crimes that constitute “crimes against humanity”, Eritrean officials, including at the highest level, have committed–and continue to commit–eight (8) of them.  The acts are widespread because they are “committed on a large scale and directed against a multiplicity of victims.”   Because of the “organised nature of the acts of violence and improbability of their random occurence”, these crimes are also systematic.  They are widespread and systematic and purposeful: to “establish, consolidate and maintain total control over the Eritrean population.”

18. With respect to enslavement, the Commission refers to the members of the National Service whom it classifies either as civilians or military who are hors de combat (for the two-year period of conflict with Ethiopia and two-day conflict with Djibouti)  and concludes that, for the purposes of the Rome Statute, they are treated as civilians. Enslavement, according to Rome Statute of the ICC, is when “the perpetrator exercised any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership…or by imposing on them a similar deprivation of liberty.”  The word “slavery” does not have to take the form of “chattel” slavery, or commercial transactions involving persons because “Chambers at four international criminal tribunals have interpreted it more expansively and without dissent.”  That is, it is settled law.

19. Further, to support its case that “National Service” has little to do with national security and more to do with crowd control, the Commission refers to a speech given by Yemane Gebreab at the Bruno Kreisky Forum for International Dialogue that : “the challenge for us is to be able to find jobs, skills, training, and business opportunities for [conscripts] when they are released.”

20. The Commission defined national service as enslavement due to its uncertain legal basis; arbitrary and indefinite duration; its involuntary nature; the forced labor and domestic servitude (for females) conscripts have to endure; restrictions of movement; inhumane conditions; the systematic and widespread torture and killing; coercive measures to deter desertion; prohibition of religious observances; and its extreme impact on family life.

21. The Commission also found that Eritrean officials are responsible “for imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty.”  The Commission says that “arrests and detentions in violation of fundamental rules of international law, have been and remain, central to an Eritrean leadership policy designed not only to discourage dissent but to suppress independent or critical thought, and instill fear in the population.”

22. By way of example, the Commission references President Isaias Afwerki’s response to a Swedish journalist question on the future of journalist Dawit Isaac: “We don’t release. We don’t take to trial.  We have our own ways to deal with him and others like him.  We have our own ways of dealing with that.” It also references Yemane Gebreab who, when asked about the G-15 said, and continues to say, “we have decided to handle the issue of the 15… as a national issue.  We have decided to go at it in a very different way.”

23.  The Commission concluded the “our own ways” and “very different way” are not only at variance with conventions Eritrea is a party to, but constitute “crimes against humanity.”

24. The Commission also found that “Eritrean officials have committed the crime of Enforced Disappearance, a crime against humanity, in a large-scale and methodical manner since May 1991.”

25. These enforced disappearances, which have been ongoing since May 1991, are inhumane not only on those who have disappeared but their family members, particularly women who are made extremely vulnerable.

26. The Commission accuses Eritrean officials of being responsible for widespread and systematic torture. This is perhaps the hardest-to-read section of the report; but it is also the most well-documented and corroborated.  Torture includes techniques such as helicopter, Otto, Jesus Christ crucifixion, Almaz, Torch, Ferro, Gomma, electric shocks, mock drowning, mock burials and executions, sexual torture and extensive exposure to the scorching sun.

27. As with enforced disappearance, the Commission finds that torture extends not just to victims but their loved ones: “the Commission heard evidence from such family members whose severe mental pain or suffering is nearly impossible to convey.”  This, according to the Commission, “rises to the level of torture as a crime against humanity under customary international law.”

28. The Commission also finds that the reprisals the government inflicts on Eritreans for alleged crimes of family members constitute a crime against humanity.  This includes the arrest of an “87 year old woman who was detained because her son had fled the country.”

29. As for the crime of persecution, the Commission concludes that “Eritrean officials have and still continue to deprive Eritrean “Pentes”, and some Muslims, of fundamental rights contrary to international law on religious grounds.” This, coupled with denial of “Eritrean Kunama and Afar of fundamental rights”, constitutes “a crime against humanity, in a large-scale and routine manner since May 1991.”

30.  The Commission “documented many instances of rape, repeated rape, and gang rape committed by military officials and trainers as well as by detention officials against a significant number of women and a few men” and, given its “widespread and systematic” nature, it constitutes a crime against humanity.

31. The Commission finds Eritrean officials guilty of murder “by committing extrajudicial killings, and by subjecting Eritrean citizens to abysmal conditions of detention and military/national service in which death is a foreseeable consequence.”  And since these were committed in a “methodical manner since May 1991” and they persist, they constitute a crime against humanity.

32. As to who is responsible, the Commission notes that “political power in Eritrea is concentrated in the hands of the President and of a small and amorphous circle of military and political loyalists.” Therefore, “the Commission has reasonable grounds to believe that the National Security Office is responsible for most cases of arbitrary arrest, enforced disappearance and torture in official and unofficial detention centers” and given that Eritrea is highly militarized,  “military and security personnel are disproportionately represented within the President’s inner circle.”

33. With that in mind, the Commission has “compiled files on a number of individuals it has reasonable grounds to believe bear responsibility for the crimes it has documented.”  Furthermore, liability “may be attached not only to those who commit crimes directly but also to individuals who plan, order or instigate them” including when committed by subordinates and superiors fail to take action.

34. Since Eritrea did not ratify the Rome Statute, the International Criminal Court may be involved only if the “Security Council were to refer the situation in Eritrea to the Court.” Given the absence of law in Eritrea, the Commission rules out a hybrid tribunal or truth/reconciliation body but suggests a regional body could be constituted.

35. The Commission concludes with a list of recommendations to the Government of Eritrea, the Human Rights Council, Office of the UN High Commission for Human Rights, the UN General Assembly, the UN Security Council, the African Union, the Members States and international organizations, and Transnational Corporations.  The report includes a map of Eritrea dotted with 77 prisons identified by victims who provided it with testimonies.

About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • Nitricc

    Hey moda; can I ask why my article was deleted? have some respect and explain why you are deleting participants post. have some decency and tell me the reason.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Berhe,

    According Mahmuday, Eritrea only belongs to EPLF and EPLF supporters. He told us in many instances as recent as last week. That is why he kept telling us Eritrea can only be saved by reformed PFDJ, as if it is reformable organization, and more so as if PFDJ did not bring the current misery of our people. Every one else is a damn second class, who have not a say in his own country. Zegerm neger eyu nay Mahmud neger. But Mahmuday does not have religous-politics problem.

    Regards
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam BerheY

    I have lost the little flickering hope I put on you. Now, you have come with Mahmud is anti Christians!! Luckily I’m aware of the reality of our social composition; luckily deep in my heart I’m Eritrean first and then the rest; luckily I have seen the best of Eritrea from all social groups. When I attack Jihadist Eritreans, I’m not attacking the peace loving Muslim population. And when I attack the small and dwindling circle of Emama EsTobia, I mindful of the patriotic Christians. But it says a lot about your desperate state of mind. In the same comment that you have extracted that quote, the following is imbedded.
    ሎሚ መዓልቲ ሰማእታት እዩ። እቶም ነዚ ዕለት እነኽብር፡ ሰማእታት ንሓደ ወይ ክልተ ከምዘይወደቑን፡ ምስ መንን ከመይን ክቕበሩ ከምዝደልዩ ከይመደቡን ኣስላማዮምን ክርስትያኖምን ብሓባር ከምዝተደፍኑን፡ መስዋእቶም ንቆላን ደጋን ወይ ነዚ ብሄር ወይ ነቲ ብሄር ዘርብሕ ትሕጃ ከምዘይተታሕዘሉን ብሓባር ንኤርትራ ከምዝወደቑን ክንዝክር ይግባእ። ንመሰል ኤርትራውያን ምጥባቕ ክፋል ናይቲ ሕድሮም ዘሰክመና ሓላፍነት እዩ።
    Right before the portion you selected, you find this sentence.
    እቲ ጸገም ዝመጽእ ዘሎ ኣብ ልዝብን ዘተን ክሰዓሩ ምዃኖም ዝፈልጡ ባእታታት ነዚ ተቓውሞ ክሕምሱ ጸኒሖም። It’s clear I’m not referring specifically Christians let alone implying Christians in its general sense as you want readers to believe. The English translation would read something like ” ELEMENTS who believe they could not win through dialogue are ravaging the opposition camp (emphasis is mine). So, I’m talking about elements who could possibly be from all social groups and religions. And that’s the reading I have.
    Well, that’s if you are here to read what’s written. It seems you are pouring out what your judgmental self is pushing you to say. I’m peaceful with myself on these issues. Let the sick scour for cures, including visiting Maryam Der’Anto.
    PS: just for your info: I’m criticized from the other side for being too…, well, let me stop here. I’m here on record arguing that PFDJ has repressed all Eritreans equally; that PFDJ does not represent Christians and highlanders. You see BerheY, if you stick to the truth, no body can take you down. Your well established character could be a reference.
    So, my friend too bad for you. You have just showed us your true color.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mahmuday,

      No, why do you just finalize it ? he gave his opinion in what you have written and you have given excellent explanation. that is all. and it is fine you should not go further saying you lost hope. the best thing I read here which will let us be our common ground is “ሎሚ መዓልቲ ሰማእታት እዩ። እቶም ነዚ ዕለት እነኽብር፡ ሰማእታት ንሓደ ወይ ክልተ ከምዘይወደቑን፡ ምስ መንን ከመይን ክቕበሩ ከምዝደልዩ ከይመደቡን ኣስላማዮምን ክርስትያኖምን ብሓባር ከምዝተደፍኑን፡ መስዋእቶም ንቆላን ደጋን ወይ ነዚ ብሄር ወይ ነቲ ብሄር ዘርብሕ ትሕጃ ከምዘይተታሕዘሉን ብሓባር ንኤርትራ ከምዝወደቑን ክንዝክር ይግባእ። ንመሰል ኤርትራውያን ምጥባቕ ክፋል ናይቲ ሕድሮም ዘሰክመና ሓላፍነት እዩ።” I love it .

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Mahmuday,

        in this equation allow me to put a poem that was written on this day but in 2014 remembering our hero the late Mewael Mebrahtu. his name is መዋእል and the poem has to say something about መዋእል which is era. please enjoy it while remembering our hero.

        መዋእል ዘመን እዩ ብዘመን ዝትካእ :-
        ሰብ ግን ሓላፊ እዩ መትከል እዩ ዘይንካእ ::
        እወ —
        ኣያ መዋእል ንጹሕ መዋእሉ :-
        ዘመን እዩ ሓሊፉ ጸኒዑ ኣብ መትከሉ :-
        ክብረት ተሓንጊጡ ኢደይ ኣይብን እሉ :-
        ኣያ ሓፍሽ ታሪኹ ይምስክረሉ ::

        ምስ ኩሉ ዝምባሌታት ገፊሑ ጸቢቡ :-
        ኣትሪሩ ዝተጋድለ ንፍቅሪ ቀሪቡ :-
        ሓልዮት ተገዳስነት ንኹሉ መጊቡ :-
        ጣዕሳ ኣይነበሮን ነይሩ እዩ ዓጊቡ ::

        ኣቦታት ሰብ መትከል ክኸዱ ገዲፎምና :-
        ክንቅጽል መገዶም ሕድሪ ኣሎ ኣብ ሕቆና ::

        መንግስተ ሰማያት የዋርስ :-
        ዕረፍቲ ይሃብኩም ቅዱስ መንፈስ :-
        ወሉድ ወለዶኹም ይሓድስ ::
        ኣሜን
        ኮኾብ ሰላም

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          ኮኸባይ,

          ደንጉየ ናይ አቦና መዋእል አዘራርባ ዝተረዳእክዎ: ወይውን ሸለል ኢለ ዝሐልፎ ዝነበርኩ: ሕጂ ጠቃሚ ኾይኑ ረኺብዮ አሉኹ:: ንሱ ኸአ ከምዚዝስዕብ እዩ::
          ንናይ ጽርግያ ሰብ ብናይ ጽርግያ ቋንቋ ትቆርቦ ብእኡ ስለዝርድኦ: ንናይ ምሁራዊ ዓለም ሰብከአ ብፈሊጣዊ አእምሮ ትቀርቦ መታን ክትባላሐሉ (paraphrasing it). I took it as a tool in my engagement.

          ብጻይካ
          አማኑኤል ሕድራት

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan KS Emma, Haile Zeru and the rest ELF veterans
          Firstly, KS: thank you for this beautiful poem. Hey you are romancing Ghedli! be careful. You know what I mean.
          For the rest: please be mindful of the comments you are making. I have never ever attacked ELF as a front. I don’t represent EPLF. However, I retain the right to express my views based on my life experience as much as those who are desperately trying to make my comments sound as if they are constructed to discredit ELF. I have said this so many time, and just let me repeat it again. ELF as an institute, as an organization, belongs to all Eritreans. I’m on record saying that the civil war and iuts result of ELF’s defeat was an Eritrean tragedy. I’m also on the record admitting TPLF intrusion in Eritrean affairs was not right. Now, if you want to distribute blames, I will get none of it, because I was not in any level of deciding the fate of that history. What else? OK, I’m on record asking for veteran ELF to write their history. That’s why I am a fan of radio NAZ at meskerem, and now there is a book about Melake TeKle coming; I read Gual Burjwa’s book; I do my own research on this area. OK. This much I know. I have no respect what so ever for the leaders of both organizations. I have no respect what so ever for those who want to re-invent history. Coming to EPLF, I’ so proud to have become part of its history. We should expose the ugly part of it so that next generations learn from it; and we need to admit its positive contributions. To my knowledge I don’t purposefully try to lecture people on EPLF. I respond only when the usual suspects come up with distorted narrations. I owe it to the martyrs of Eritrea (from all walks of life and organizational affiliations) that we guard our history. If there is any of you accusing me of bashing ELF, here is the forum. It’s a challenge. ELF’s existence ends in 1981, and EPLF existence officially ends in 1994, and practically, in 2001. If I criticize PFDJ, my criticism is on PFDJ and not EPLF. If I criticize the current leaders of opposition, the criticism is intended for them and not ELF. If I could criticize EPLF leadership (and I have done so many times) there is no problem why I should not criticize ELF leadership…and so on. Please stop the unnecessary comments.
          Thank you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            You never come clean in your comments. After dragging us into your mad (go back and read them again), Eplf this , Pfdj that, and the opposition are sellouts (who are most of them elfites) , and now to tell us that you respect ELFs history. It does not cross my mind. Second, in the two years civil war (1980 and 1981) there weren’t tplf intrusion into our internal affairs, rather it was an agreement of alliance of the two organizations (EPLF/TPLF) to push out ELF. Alliance does not mean intrusion. You still try to evade history and that is bad. You asked us not to invent history, but an alliance can’t be an intrusion and that is an invention. They were asked to participate in the hell bloody war and they did. You were a conscious participant in the war unless you proved it otherwise that you voiced against it. A conscious base resist wrong policy of an organization. Fore instance, in 1974, 42 conscious fighters of ELF refuse to direct their guns to their brothers of ELF-PF (hizbawi-hyletat) of that time, long before the birth of EPLF in 1977. The civil war stopped and the leaderships start to talk about unity. So you can’t throw the responsibilities to the leadership’s only. You have your own share in that hisory. when did you start to disrespect to the leadership’s. There are also who spoke out even from EPLFside, that there was no ideological difference between ELF and EPLF. Dr Eyob my colleague from Addis gave his life for that comment and others. Third the leadership of EPLF and their party EPRP transformed to a government and PFDJ party. So there are no difference between the leadership of EPLF and the leadership of PFDJ with the same constant reshuffling and throwing opponents to jails. Come clean about our history my friend, whether you were part of it or not. Do not distort it for God’s sake. Also make your position clear whether you are with the victim or with regime stand. It is white or blank no gray areas in this matter.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Emma
            The challenge is still there. Bring any evidence that suggests I’m in the business of bashing the gallant serawit Harnet. In all the exchanges that you want to present as exhibit, I was addressing you by name, and you don’t represent ELF. elf IS way bigger than you. Now, if you want a gentle discussion the door is open, if you still want to live in your LITTLE bubble-world, oyu are the one to make the choice. My effort was not to convince you but to make my stance clear, because you keep muddying it, brother. You see Emma, I know that if I ever make a pretense that I represent EPLF, it must the grandest delusion. EPLF needs no defense. I don’t speak on its behalf, I just share things I had experienced within my narrow perspective. That’s all my friend. I could on debating you on the specifics you are lobbying, but that’s not my plan. I challenge you to substantiate your allegation that I believe that “only EPLF should rule..” or that I believe that “Eritrea belong only to EPLF…” OR anything that denigrates ELF as an institution that you could attribute it to me. The challenge is there. I will discard your ideas as much as you have the right to discard mine. That’s Kosher, as my bad iSem likes saying. Both of us don’t represent our respective organizations. At least that’s how I take things. I hope you don’t believe as if you are representative of ELF.
            Regarding history: I ask the creator to give you the time and health so that we can read your history book .
            I really want to close this nonsense “debate” here. I will respond only if you will come up with your evidence. I don’t expect that because you have failed the minimum test whenever challenged.
            Good night, and expect my call.

        • Abi

          Kokobe Gojamew
          I think Mewael means elet. For example if you say “zena mewael ” it means yeElet zena.
          Era is zemen.
          However, since everything Eritrean is of biblical proportion, one mewael is equal to one zemen.
          Just called to say hello.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abi,
            መዋእል ግዜ -ዘመን ለማለት የምንጠቀምበት ቃል ነው :: ኣንድ መዋእል እንደ ኣንድ ክፍለ ዘመን ( 100 years – century ) የምንጠቀምበት ኣጋጣሚም ኣለ :: ሰዎች ለኣንድ የዜና ስርጭት ኣጭር ግዜ ለምን እንደሚጠቀሙበት ብዙም ኣይገባኝም :: ለማንኛውም በትግርኛና ኣማርኛ ኣጠቃቀሙ ብዙም የተራራቀ ኣይደለም – ቢሆንም መዋዕልና መዋእል ሁለት የተለያዩ ቃላት ናቸው ብትግርኛ ::

    • Berhe Y

      Dear MS,

      You can write all hateta you want, I was saying the individuals you call them “weyane solodiers” who are going to roll up and sell Eritrea and hand over to “mama Ethiopia”.

      I will stand with what I said, you only gave that name to the Christians sounding names.

      Weather it’s YG, or AH, BY, SA or others. And how ever many you keep accusing and giving them the same name.

      I really do not care if you have any hope for me or not but for sure I have no hopes left from you.

      I and others asked you many times, isn’t EPLF with alliance of TPLF eliminated ELF? If you want to pub your glories EPLF legacy, why can’t you own it’s ugly side as well. Who the hell are you accusing people of wanting to sell their country, and you turn around as if you said nothing and call it “appropriate response”. But it’s the legacy of EPLF and the legacy of the corrupted leader that all of you set out to emulate and you are keep doing this and you getting away with it. If you have specific example, by all means go ahead and single them out but stop accusing everyone who you have no idea who they are. No body is telling you to stop from crtisizing them but stop making the allegation as they are agents of “weyane” who are hell bent to destroy the country. If there is anyone who is doing that it’s the PFDJ who you are dreaming of reforming, and good luck with that.

      I have nothing more to say to you.

      Berhe

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam BerheY

        Please revise your allegation and do the right thing. I gave you hints and reminders (read again the last part of my earlier comment) as to why you are wrong. When you pick up an allegation such as this, you are running the risk of shattering your credibility. You said “But you tend to pick and label only Eritrean Christians as agents of weyane? Why are you afraid that the Christians who have paid equally and defended for Eritrean independence are a bunch of lost souls who can be swayed that easy and you are defending what’s good for them, as long as they remain morons like the yPFDJ” That’s not healthy my friend. Hayat Adem, the most vocal of that small group is a Muslim. Ye Qolama project was mostly a muslim project (if I may remind you of your history). Even as we speak there are few elements who entertain that idea from all the social and religious groups. So, you can’t really skip this. Do the right thing and correct yourself. Otherwise, it would be a malicious attack of the worst kind. I hope you will revise it for the sake of the readers and the forum. I ask you this for the sake of sanity. Call me anything you want (and any insult you throw upon me is an accolade to me, anyway), but don’t get dirtier than you have already become; avoid these egregious assertions you can not substantiate. I will crack down your political tendencies hard. You do too please, but don’t resort to dirty and divisive games. If you are in, prepare for a clean fight.
        Thanks.

        All I can say is you are absolutely wrong

        • Berhe Y

          Dear MS,

          First it was an “ask” and I didn’t intend to make an allegation. When I read it again it doesn’t appear to be an ask, therefore I take it back and I apologize.

          Having said that, please go ahead and read to what I wrote, which prompted this exchange and please read what you said to me.

          “Go keep giving excuses for your TPLF; go call the 18 martyrs who fell last weekend defending their land “slaves”, go ahead. See how lost you guys are? People are mourning their latest fallen heroes and you have got the temerity to lecture me! The opposition is not a monopoly of few deluded souls. Opposition is the right of everyone and everyone has the right to express their opposition the way they see it fit. For sure, I don’t belong to your opposition and I would never ever want to be part of the opposition you have in mind. Good luck.”

          Few weeks ago, Ismael said the same thing to you. SGJ said the same thing and you apologized with “kubur wedi kubur” but when I said the same thing to you after you repeated similiar collective allegation, although you never seem to learn to stop criticizing “the opposition” with blanket statement, I tried to remind you again that it’s wrong and reminded you that, it’s the EPLF with alliance of the TPLF that destroyed ELF.

          You told me “Go keep giving excuses for your TPLF”. WHY ? You said that before to me and you said that to many others, and you were keeping saying this to AH, iSem all week long? I am asking you WHY? Why can’t you just disagree/ oppose without questing peoples integrity and loyalty? To me, I see this as a trend and it’s not just one simple gaff or but repeated collective allegation.

          You wrote a whole article to that regard on Eritreans 25 years anniversary, accusing people of the same thing. I wrote to you about it, as if you have nothing to write and proud about 25 years after independence, all you can master is alleging people wanting to destroy Eritrea. You told me, I was not thinking about people like you when I wrote that in mind…or something of that sort..Time permit I wanted to respond to you to the articles you have been penning, but I couldn’t (I hope to do so).

          Now you look your self in the mirror and ask your self, why are you jumping at labeling people as Weyane or their sympathizers, who wanted to destroy and unmaking Eritrea?
          I ask you again why? To me it sounded an obvious connection and that’s what I wanted to ask you “If this type of allegation is reserved for only Christian Eritreans?”.

          As to your believe ELF legacy was ended in 1981, it didn’t. They were in Sudan, setting up schools, helping refugees, helping the needy and dedicating their lives. Yes some moved on, but they were condemned, shamed, alienated by the EPLF goons and when the independence come about, the lay their arms and they wanted to go on peacefully. EPLF denied them and most of the leader died of old age, never to return back and see their old parents, their home land and buried in foreign lands, some were hunted, arrested and killed by EPLF. This is way, way before the EPLF/and TPLF had a fall out. If you want to learn, please there is no better source than the archives of awate, there you will find the interviews of Abedella Idris, Seyoum O. Michael, Abdella Nasir, and many others. In my opinion, their main problem was and the reason for their destruction is, they weren’t ጨካናት like Isayas and his henchmen.

          I don’t know who you have in mind when you say collectivity “opposition” that you warrant them as “sell out” but it will help if you make it specific, and when you don’t, please expect to be questioned. And when you are questioned, stop to resorting to insults and questioning peoples integrity. If you say, NOT all EPLF are responsible and be selective and point at the certain people in the group, it’s fair ask and I will try to remember that.

          Berhe

          P.S. If this exchange helps you in a small way to think twice before you jump the gun at alleging people of wanting to destroy the country, then I am glad it happened.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam BerheY
            It’s been nice exchanging my views with you let’s give it time. The generalization and collective condemnation has become an easy way of closing a deal. It is the end of the day, I really want to close this thread. Let’s back off and check each of our entries and see if we could have put phrasings differently. Don’t forget the “you are this ..that… that I have been receiving, please.” At the end of the days we are all losers. We lost the points and we lost friendship.
            Thanks.

          • iSem

            Hi MS:
            You have to understand that this is tough time for all of us, our people tortured and divided and I know that BY just like me nothing has happened to his own family, so none of has personal vendetta against any EPLF or PFDJ people, the issue is divisive and the one who is supposed to the uniting is busy with his own survival.
            I also do not agree with BY regarding the anti Christian even if in “asking” mode, but Emma beat me to it and he replied to him and I was flooding the forum so I did not reply to BY, just like Selam:-)
            Regardless of your eternal optimism Eritrea is in the cusp of distractions , we cannot pretend to be united, unless we get comfortable with lies. I think you lead the charge to steering the debate to the opposition instead of focusing into the report, but who knows, there were too many comment with interruption from Abi
            I think the report is good for wise leadership just like opposition is good for a democratic states to keep government accountable, still PFDJ can salvage the country by immediately acting on the recommendations, even if with the blood on their hands, instead of focusing on that, you split hairs from your first comments
            Also your run away with the 18 killed as if we called them slaves, but it was IA fault to just drop it in his speech with no respect like he did to the 19k during the last war, when he called them “astat”,about, there is no about, there is exact numbers.
            I am sure, all of us over the last two weeks could have used better terminology and softer tone and for sure less adjectives for sure

          • iSem

            BY:

            I will like to add to your: “……. They were in Sudan, setting up schools, helping refugees, helping the needy and dedicating their lives. Yes some moved on, but they were condemned, shamed, alienated by the EPLF goons and when the independence come about, the lay their arms and they wanted to go on peacefully. EPLF denied them and most of the leader died of old age, never to return back and see their old parents, their home land and buried in foreign lands, some were hunted, arrested and killed by EPLF. This is way, way before the EPLF/and TPLF had a fall out. If you want to learn, please there is no better source than the archives of awate, there you will find the interviews of Abedella Idris, Seyoum O. Michael, Abdella Nasir, and many others. In my opinion, their main problem was and the reason for their destruction is, they weren’t ጨካናት like Isayas and his henchmen.”
            You forgot, they were hunted down and murdered like dogs in the streets of Kassala Khartoum and Port Sudan, in the dead of the night, in broad day light, in the presence of their 5 years old kids. I can name names for each scenario and you can use your imagination who did the killing. It was un Eritrean thing, the Eritrean thing is if your knock your opponent with testa or kasotti, you do not beat him to death when down
            Also, yes they were there building schools and passing the legacy to the young generation, and guess what they are still there building schools for kids in Wad Sherifey and many other refugee place, the government is not anywhere and you may guess why there still arel refugees in Sudan. They are still helping the 500k refuges rejected by their country after the so called netsanet
            For completeness sake, the other guys opened schools too but just like the our grand parents used to say during the British rule you were allowed to study till grad 4, to become literate and deliver letters to their right address

      • Hope

        To berhe and Amanuel Hidrat:

        “I think the wise thing to do is to ask Eritreans “why” instead of creating yet another GeorgeBushian “you are either with us or against us.”

        Mahmud Saleh is a strong asset to the cause of the opposition. I would go even further and say that he is an indispensable part of the opposition. Why? It is relatively easy for someone from an ELF background or no ghedli background to oppose the PFDJ. It is exceedingly hard to say “Hell NO!” to an organization you have been associated with for decades, as Mahmuday has bravely done. I expect the hard push-back from my bad cousin iSem; it surprises me when it comes from gentle BY, and it positively shocks me when it comes from you”.

        .Courtesy of SAAY.
        It is only unfair and unreasonable to want things ONLY your own way; and the worst is to misquote people at an Intellectual and Professional Level…
        Opposition?
        Which one?
        The Ethiopia based is dead on arrival.The Hawassa and Debrezeit one-run by Amanuel et al with the TPLF Leadership and blessing and sponsorship–based on Religion, Region and Ethnicity?
        The Diaspora based opposition-the EPDP and Medrekh?
        May be.
        Time to change the Strategy–the home based one….

  • AMAN

    Greetings,
    Dear Awates,
    Some News Leaked from the Ethiopian Capital Addis Ababa and
    confirmed by some members of the Asmara based Opposition to
    Tplf / WOyane group are indicating that ,
    While we are marching, there are so many woyanes who were against
    the Eritrean and Ethiopian people in their time when the Tplf/Eprdf was
    in power and ruling Ethiopia; trying to infiltrate and assimilate (hopping
    unnoticed by the people) and join our march. I have observed so many
    previously woyanes and sympathizers keeping low profile, hiding and
    making 180 degrees turn recently in hope that they will be carried inside
    our marching revolution that is liberating the Eritrean and Ethiopian peoples
    day by day.
    They are flirting and wagging their tails one more time again to be in our
    opposition camp knowing that their org. is faltering fast as a result of the
    hard blows it received from the Opposition camp like G7, EPPF, DMHT,
    AFD, CUD, ANDINET, and many others. So far it is confirmed that the
    OPDO and ANDM allies have abandoned and deserted the TPLF and
    its camp.
    So the only alternative left for the dying Tplf and its followers is to be
    incorporated and protected under the care of the EPLF , Eritrea and
    the Eritrean peoples marching revolution that is in great harmonious
    tune with the Ethiopian Opposition movements to Liberate the countries
    from Tplf / Pfdj Woyanist dictatorial rule. Reports indicate that the TPLF
    has already asked apology to the Eritrean people and the EPLF and has
    asked mercy from them for its transgressions against. And so , many of
    its past followers ( now Wedo Gebas ) are hoping they will be carried to
    safety and may be survival of some of their past ruling party members by
    the marching revolution of the Eritrean and Ethiopian people under the
    claim of common heritage of Tigrigna Ethnic / Nationality.

  • Peace!

    Dear all,

    Just curious to know why the Abyssinians are in full swing promoting intervention through COI and devil TPLF? What’s the matter with forget the opposition let the county slip into chaos and TPLF will bail us out at any rate attitude? Well, for the rest of us it is too obvious as the saying goes: fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me!

    Peace!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Peace,
      first I don’t know why you want to link TPLF with the situation.. why do want to believe COI is working for TPLF or something like that ?

      and do you think Eritrea is not in chaos now? didn’t you feel the continuous death of our young?

      • Peace!

        Dear Kokobai,

        እዚ ዘይተጻሕፈ ምንባብ ዘይትገድፎ ኢኻ ናዓባ በጃኻ። Intervention is Intervention nothing ambiguous here, be it TPLF, COI, or else. Eritrea is not in chaos, of course there are numerous hardships due to dectatorial regime, but chaos is not one of them. Lets not oppose for the sake opposing.

        Peace!

        • Kokhob Selam

          ኣንታ peace,

          ሰላም እንዶ ሃበና ብጀኻ ኢለካ! ድሕሪት ኣይትምለሰና – መርገጽካ ኣነጺርካ ወይ ህግደፍ ኩን ወይ ተቃዋማይ ኩን: – ቀይር እስከ በጃኻ ኢለካ !እቲ መድረኽ እኮ ተቀይሩ እዩ ቅድሚ ዓመት ክልተ ዓመት ዝነበረ ዘረባ ኣይትመላልስ! ኸሊና ቢላሂ – እምቧእ !

          • Peace!

            Dear Kokobai,

            መርገጺዶ ስቕ ኢልካ ይቕየር እዩ? I have been consistent from day one: change from within, no intervention. I just can’t hop on a bus full of back stabbers. I admire you; you are a brave man, good luck!

            Peace!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace
            ፈቲኻ ዶ ኮይናካ ትኣድማይረኒ ቀስበን እንደኣሉ ! ሃ ሃ ሃ :- really take it easy. everything is alright. I also believe your way works and we need it but without opposing what Jeneva is showing. do what you think is correct and be part of change. I work in both styles without blaming and labeling any.

    • Yoty Topy

      Hi Peace,
      I think you are giving them way too much credit if you ask me. I know they punch more than their weight in the region but to insinuate that they manipulated the COI to destabilize the Eritrean government is a bit of a stretch of the imagination. I think what we are witnessing here is rather what appears to be the berth of EPLF 3.0 ( Let’s skip PFDJ(2.0) , the same way Microsoft skipped Windows 9 for 10) has caught a whiff of tailwind in the diplomacy arena. Hence, time to bring out the big mobilizing factor A.K.A ወያኔ!

      • Peace!

        Dear Toty Topy,

        I did not say TPLF manipulated COI, specially when members of my own family are victims of PFDJ’s merciful torture. I am jus not a big fan of ICC made horror movies.

        Peace!

        • Hope

          Selam Peace:
          Stand firm Peace!
          It has been a public secret that the TPLF has been behind :

          -The SEMG Report
          -The Sanctions
          -The sabotage and campaign against the EU Fund to Eritrea while itself begging the EU for twice as much as that of Eritrea’s
          -Now sponsoring and campaigning for the COIE.

  • iSem

    Hi Semira: Thanks
    Listen: First tell me where I said every liberator, all liberators. I said liberators(plural, more than one) turned to rapists.
    Also about the “…..some people fought I was addressing sarcastically Mahmud, who said we the opposition have no future in Eritrea, so I said, since only PFDJ fought for Eritrea the rest of us do not have future. Otherwise I know the revolution commanded overwhelming support, of coruse it could win if a few have joined it, you may have a point here, I did not articulate it well but I was addressing MS who was telling us now that we have no future, you know who said that before the officials who are accused of crimes against humanity on their own people and true, those who were told have no future in Eritrea, they were not allowed to see their country and it is unsettling, disturbing to hear it now, just because we opposed the PFDJ, those liberators who are accused of crimes against humanity, we have not future, think about it. I think people should be really offended that the first president of Eritrea, the first government of Eritrea is accused of crimes, not just crimes but crimes against humanity. Instead of saying those whoa re accused with crimes agaisnt humanity have no future in Eritrea, those who are opposing them have no future in Eritrea, does that offend you or shock you or disturb you Semira?
    And about the rape thing why is that you and several people having problems with it, are Eritrean officials, who were freedom fighters, liberators, former tegadalty accused of crimes against humanity not by CoI but by Eritreans, hundreds of them. Why is that hard to sink, rape cannot be faked, because there are emotional scars and even real rape hard to report let alone fake one, murder cannot be faked because there is somebody who died, the torture cannot be baked because there there are physical scars.
    I think the denials, the let us not offend, is more damaging than me offending people

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam iSem
      Please pay attention to what KS has written. I didn’t say “[you] the opposition have no future in Eritrea.” I’m addressing the small circle that KS is alluding to in his very diplomatic language. In my little Red book, you don’t represent the opposition. OK, your language is offending to many Eritreans and it’s up to the opposition to get rid of such attitudes. But definitely, you do not represent the many goodhearted opposition members who are trying their best to make a working organ out of the mess.

      • Hope

        Mahmuday:
        The likes of ISem,Aman Hidrat and berhe are playing games with you besides trying to intimidate you as they know you are a very strong and principled Eritrean.
        May be the TPLF whispered to them to harass’ you..
        You remember how T Kifle and hayat Adem were provoking and trying to intimidate you?
        Keep it up bro.
        After all you are entitled to you own opinion and stand…so let them bark until they give up…like T Kifle and hayat did.

        • iSem

          Hope:
          do not worry about MS and BY, AH and iSem, they are justice seekers, not slavery seekers like you, MS is having problems with the report that is all and his reform idea would not work, that is understandable, because he forgot the G-15, he forgot Foroto and he forgot past reform movements, just like all these forgot what went before them. When he digest that he will be fine,. Also the Medrekh guys if they do not change, if they come to power, they will make some changes but will not allow broader liberties that allows the other opp to share in building the country. If they do not form a merger with former opposition members I will not trust them, so MS is just saying what is in his DNA and that is, this: not internalizing that PFDJ is noter reformable and any reform movement will be squashed. PFDJ and they supporers will fight tooth and nail to save themselves, they will never release the imprisoned, they will kill, rape and shoot to kill and disappear until they die and when my prophetic words come true, you will say “selela -Alaha Aleyhu nebi iSem” 🙂

    • Hope

      ISem:
      Before you rush into misquoting and judging people, it is fair to ask for clarification.
      The kind of TPLF- led,sponsored and nurtured Opposition following and executing the TPLF orders to divide Eritrea into Ethnic, Region and Religion based politics and regions shall NEVER have a place in future Eritrea.
      .

      • iSem

        Hope:
        First the debate is whether you guys, the vacillating ones support what Eritreans are telling u or not. Period. I asked u, you are tlewalle. Sal is wrong, it is either with the victims or against them.
        Second, do not replear LIES that the opposition are TPLF sponsored, there is no opposition sponsored by TPLF to divide Eritrea along ethinic and religious, the opposition is Eritrean sponsored but they are supported by the Ethiopian government and that is kosher, halal sacred and blessed. In a normal countrye that fought liberty opposition is supported by the government, funded by the public, demiciles in homeland, speaks in the parliament to hammer the blunders and overreach of government

  • ghezaehagos

    Dearest Mahumd Saleh,

    The good book says, “Ab Israel abti ewan nigus ayenebe ren; kulu Ze’zmeselo yigebr nebere.” That was Zemene-Mesafnti.

    First off, Ramadan Mabruk! I liked your heartfelt plea to Wedi Gerahtu. Sincere and piercing. I believe you are an asset too.

    Please allow me to respond specifically to your objection of national service/slavery. NS. It is all about reference, isn’t it? In
    fact if you ask me why we are struggling (double entendre:)but this time struggling as we are not winning is for lack of reference. (Ali Abdu’s only statement post-DIA stuck in my mind forever; LACK of mentors, references.) Without having a good reference we all adhere to, there are no lines, there are no ways of evaluating activities, all is permitted as in god-is-dead, Ivan Karamazov. Ideally, people start with their history; we, at the opposition, especially the younger have started by being busy destroying what was ideally could have been our sole reference, the Ghedli. Without a reference, without a compass, we traverse in circles, in them troubled of waters. Zemene Mesafiniti.

    Reference. Right?

    It anchors you; guides you. And defines you. Now back to NS. 2 settings and I am sure you can follow the dots.

    1.Eritrea is a state because it fulfils the definition of a state under international law. “International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.” Four elements; population, land, government, and international recognition. Eritrea fills the bill to be a state.

    2. Eritrean national service AS CURRENTLY SEEN, is also a forced labor, form of slavery or servitude because international law says so. “In international law, forced or compulsory labour is defined as a modern form of slavery,[20]
    and therefore if it can be established that: (i) the works or services are exacted involuntarily; (ii) the exaction of labour or services takes place under the menace of penalty; and (iii) these are used as a means of political coercion, education or as a method of mobilising and using labour for purposes of economic development, as well as means of labour discipline, it may be safe to conclude that they constitute modern forms of slavery.”
    It is AS IF TAILOR-MADE FOR Eritrean case. Really.

    An expert, Gaim Kebreab wrote extensively on this.

    http://cdrie.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=319:forced-labour-in-eritrea&catid=34:english-articles&Itemid=53

    Eritrean regime has committed crimes against humanity because according international law they were found to be
    systemic and widespread.
    Dear MS, I know it sucks to find our noble intention of national service indeed morphed into a modern-day slavery. But that is the bitter truth we have to reconcile with. This is the result of totalitarian rule, you know very well. Nothing to do with the innocent youngsters. Kubur haw, in this time 2016, as Eritreans, we are possibly in our worst state of history; at least very shameful. When we were talking of commissions, bzaeaba Constitutional/ electoral/ multy party commission deA hAsebN’a Ember,….who thought of UN-Mandated Human Rights Commission, and crimes against humanity by our very own liberators? Who thought of calling for our first time ever leader in independent Eritrea be a candidate for ICC? It is shame, shame, damn shame, as a nation, indeed. But that is the call of history…and law and we need to abide by them.

    Dear MS, I urge, you, hence to respect the definitions of international law. It troubles me really when sometimes you flaunt them to cover our shame. If you well educated and well-meaning can do that, it doesn’t bode well for lots of our nation. At least, let us grudgingly, certainly not happily, accept them as we need references. Otherwise, as the good book says, “Ab Israel abti ewan nigus ayeneren; kulu Ze’zmeselo yigebr nebere.”

    We need references….how much flawed they ARE. International laws, and Eritrean Ghedli.

    With great respect,

    Ghezae Hagos.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ክቡር ሓው
      ኣይትሰኣኑ ወረጃታት ኣሕዋት :: እቲ ክበሃል ዘለዎ ውን እኮ ብሃሊሊኡ የድልዮ እዩ ::

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear gezaehagos
      I appreciate your intelligent input. I value your it not only for its mature and measured tone but for its intent to educate us all. I’m currently in a tat for tit with my bad friend iSem and until jebenet ifTar (feTera cools him down, I could only do a selective engagement…meaning….your intelligent inputs needs time and the attention it deserves. Had we have a reference (someone who would help SAAY early on, we would have had a fruitful discussion on the topic).
      Regards.

  • Yoty Topy

    Hi Rahel,
    You can add the concept of PROGRESS to the myriad of things they have invented or accomplished as well 🙂

  • iSem

    Hi All:
    Saleh Younis Summarized the CoI report for us so we can debate it, raise awareness about it, write some sober commentaries that highlight the suffering, bolster the true testimonies that our tortured, raped, wounded brethren have endured, to support them as the testimonies may have awaken suppressed emotions and to add things we know to make the recommendations of CoI to bring the killers, rapists, murderess (sorry cannot think of how to describe them excepting using description) to the ICC to face their crimes. Sal saved us energy and has succinctly summarized the report. And now skimming through the comments section you cannot even recognize the subject, it has turned into a debate about the opposition and like any thing Eritrean it should not be this way
    In Eritrea, liberators turn into torturers
    In Eritrea freedom fighters get accused of crimes against humanity
    In Eritrea, debates about the accused turn to debates about those who has nothing to do with the crimes.
    In Eritrea, Eritreans die in hundreds and their government calls them African migrants and refuses their bodies to be buried in their home land
    In Eritrea, founding fathers of the nation disappear in to the thin air, without a trace, without a scent
    In Eritrea, teenagers get snatched from their homes and when they become adult and defect to Sudan or Ethiopia the government punishes their parents
    In Eritrea, if prominent person abandons the government, his underage daughter, father and brother get arrested.
    In Eritrea, you can study Law and but you are not allowed to practice it
    In Eritrea, you can gossip about your unhappiness about Eritrea and when you go to visit Asmara, you get arrested
    In Eritrea, if your wife, your brother, your father or your sister or husband has been arrested by the government and has disappeared for decades, you sever as a minster, ambassador and when you are in a meeting with the dictator who did the disappearing you pretend that everything is right and you just wear a brave face.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam SAAY AND ALL
    SAAY, I thank you for putting your reputation on line by lowering yourself to the “tentative” box. I know that was done to give a hint to the “justice seekers” who actually have no element of justice in their blood. Very few brave that brither Saleh, and I understand that sometimes I behave GeorgeBushian, but that;s according to my proportional response (ተመጣጣኝ). I don’t pretend to be an asset. I hold one thing very close to my heart. “Never again to be cheated or misled.” That’s why I will keep my independence. My comrades and I learned this the hard way. I will include an excerpt from an article I wrote at the height of our agony over the Lampadusa tragedy. Today, I’m in bad shape, scarred by individuals who have always tried to drag me into “trki mrki” instead of allowing us to have mature discussion on your article. Berhe Y could entertain the idea that I was a privileged EPLFite. ኣብ ኲናት ዘይወዓለ ይበልሕ። The guy has excelled in weaving wild accusations (I remember when he accused me I was tipped on tes…). ደሓን ኣይእቶ ህግድፍ፡ ሎሚ ተጋዳላይ ኤርትራ (ጃብሃኡ/ሻዕብያኡ) እዚ ምተፈድየ? ሎሚ’ዶ እቲ ምእንቲ ሃገሩ ካብ ጻት ክሳብ ጻት ዝጸዓረ ወለዶ ገድሊ (ተጋዳላዩ ህዝቡ) መጽረይ ኣፍ ዓዲ ውዒል ምኾነ? ወዲ ሰብ ከድመዓሉ ዝኽእል ዕድመ ውሱን እዩ። ግዲኡ ፈጺሙ ይሓልፍ። እቶም ዓስርተታት ዓመታት ኣብ ትሕቲ ጸቕጢ ዂናትን፡ ኣብ ጎዳጉዲን ካናለታትን ዝዓበዩ ንኡሳን ትማሊ ግዲኦም ገይሮም እዮም። ግን ብዘይካ ኣዝዮም ውሑዳት፡ እቶም ዝበዝሑ ቀዳሞት ግዳያት ህግድፍ ኮይኖም እዮም። ቀጻሊ ራድዮ ናዝ እከታተል እየ። ሓደ ካብቲ meskerem.net ዝህቦ ዘሎ ኣገልግሎት ንከም ራዲዮ ናዝ ዘመሰለ ናይ ብሓቂ ሃገራዊ መርበብ ሓበሬታ ምስርጫው እዩ። ቕያታት ጅግና ሰራዊት ሓርነት እከታተልን እመሃርን ኣለኹ። እቲ መደምደምታ፡ ተጋዳላይ ኤርትራ ሃሙን ቀልቡን ሓደ እዩ ነይሩ። ግን መራሕቲ ስኢኑ። ናይ ውልቀሰባት ግርጭታትን ናይ ስልጣን ባእስን ንሃገር ኣናቒቱ ሰራዊት ሓርነት ከም ዝጽረግ ኮይኑ። እቶም ታሪኹ ክዕቅቡ ዝጽዕሩ ዘለዉ ግዱሳት የመስግን። ንሃገራዊ ጉዳይ ቅድሚ ውድባዊ ረብሓታትን ውልቃዊ ጠቕምን ዝሰርዑ ዜጋታት ከራኽብን ከዛትን ትምኒተይ እዩ። ሎሚ መዓልቲ ሰማእታት እዩ። እቶም ነዚ ዕለት እነኽብር፡ ሰማእታት ንሓደ ወይ ክልተ ከምዘይወደቑን፡ ምስ መንን ከመይን ክቕበሩ ከምዝደልዩ ከይመደቡን ኣስላማዮምን ክርስትያኖምን ብሓባር ከምዝተደፍኑን፡ መስዋእቶም ንቆላን ደጋን ወይ ነዚ ብሄር ወይ ነቲ ብሄር ዘርብሕ ትሕጃ ከምዘይተታሕዘሉን ብሓባር ንኤርትራ ከምዝወደቑን ክንዝክር ይግባእ። ንመሰል ኤርትራውያን ምጥባቕ ክፋል ናይቲ ሕድሮም ዘሰክመና ሓላፍነት እዩ።
    Put simply, the reason why I speak against PFDJ is not to fit to any mini-camp, but, it is a continuation of the burden people like me feel in leaving behind a country worth the sacrifice it demanded. Part of this is making sure that vultures don’t get a chance to hijack Eritreans’ grievances.
    Moreover, I hope the mini-camp of you-know-who has come to terms that it won’t get a bastardized Mahmud. I have been the same; and will be the same. The same reason’s that made me to openly criticize PFDJ also keep me away from conforming to the wild dreams of this mini-camp, which has been frustrating the opposition camp from moving forward.
    Hint : When it convinces him, iSem keeps repeating the “liberators turned rapists…” and when his whims settle down, he raises the names of the likes of hero Biteweded. These guys deliberately skip the fact that most of the political prisoners are actually EPLF tegadelti or EPLF affiliated patriots. These guys don’t want to mention the fact that it was EPLF folks who from time to time shook the foundation of PFDJ. They won’t admit that what PFDJ fears is not Ethio-fanatics, but people who know PFDJ very well, and who could converse across the isles with the potential of reaching out to PFDJ bases. PFDJ has never lost a night’s sleep because of Amanuel’s dismantlement brouhaha. Because that same Amanuel also advocates for the invasion of Eritrea, and Eritreans are very sensitive on this (bad news for Emma). Eritreans watch the acts of our Ethio-fanatics behavior closely. They notice how a trusted soldiers of TPLF the likes of Emma and Co. are. They have zero chance in free Eritrea and that’s why they have given up on their people putting all their eggs in the Abyssinian basket. Their slogan: In TPLF we trust.
    HINT: Instead of arguing why I’m wrong in my criticism to the “opposition leaders” they tell me to leave alone the opposition camp. ወዳጀ! መን ገባራይን ሓዳጋይን ምስ ገበረካ? መን ናይ ምጽራይን ምማይን ስልጣን ምስ ሃበካ? ብሓቂ’ንዶ ዘይንዛረብ። ጸገም’ኮ ኮይኑ። ካብ ሰብዓታት ንህግሓኤ ዝተቓወመን፡ ህግ ዘምጸኦ ናጽነት ኣይናጽነተይን ዝበለን፡ ረፈረንዱም ኤርትራ ዝተቓወመን ሎሚ ብስም ፍትሕን ደሞክራስን እቲ ቅርሕንቲ ዝመሰረቱ ቓወሞ እንተቐጸሎ፡ ከመይ ኢሉ እዩ ነቲ ህግድፍ ተቓዊሙ ዝቓለስ ዘሎ ወገን ጃሱስ’ዶ እንዳበለ ክዝልፍ ዝኽእል። መን እዩ ተቓዋማይ? ንጌጋታት ናይቲ ዘሎ ስርዓት ክቃወም መሳርዑ ዝፈለየ ድዩ ወይስ እቲ ካብ ቐደም ኣብ ውድባቅ ቅርሕንትታት ዝተሰረተ ህልኽ ዘካይድ ዝነበረ? ኣየናይ እዩ እቲ ናይ ብሓቂ ተቓዋማይ? እዚ ንመልሰ-ግብሪ ዘምጸኦ ዘለኹ ተመጣጣኒ መልሰ-ግብሪ ናይቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኣባላት ህግ ነበር እዩ። ተቓውሞ ኣድማሳዊ እዩ። ኩልና ኣብ ሓደ ህዱእ መኣዱ ዘተ ክንራኸብ እቲ ዝሓሸ እዩ። እቲ ኣምር ናይ ተቓውሞ ንኹሉ ይኣክል እዩ። እቲ ጸገም ዝመጽእ ዘሎ ኣብ ልዝብን ዘተን ክሰዓሩ ምዃኖም ዝፈልጡ ባእታታት ነዚ ተቓውሞ ክሕምሱ ጸኒሖም። ንሻዕብያ ምዝላፍ ያኢ ቑም ነገር ተቖጺሩለይ ህግድፍን ህግን ኣላጊቦም ክዘብጡ ዘይገበርዎ የለን። እቲ ዕላማ ፍሉጥ እዩ። ንህግድፍ ምስ ህግ ኣልጊብካ ዝበጦ፡ ድሕርኡ ተሓኤ፡ ድሕርኡ ጉዳይ ኤርትራ….ኣብ መወዳእታ “ወለዶ ገድሊ ርእናዮ ኢና። እዚ እዩ ቁምነገሩ። ገድሊ ደኣ ዘቀደሙ ናይ ኣዕራብ ወፈራ እዩ ነይሩ። መንነትና ሰሪቑን ጠምዚዙን…” ቀጺሎም ዝሰብክዎ “ኤርትራ ካብ ወለዶ ገድሊ ኣይትሓልፍን እያ” ዝብል እዩ። ብኮፍና ክማርኩና ይደልዩ ኣለዉ። እቲ ዘሰክፍ ድማ ከም ተሓለቕትን ንጥፋን ደምበ ተቓውሞ እንዳተራእዩ ንህዝቢ ካብቲ ደምበ የህድሙ ኣለዉ።
    Dear all: I I will put an excerpt of my first Tigringlish article published on assenna in October 2013, I could not find it, but I have it in my files. I published it today in my still young blog
    “Eritrea had all the ingredients of becoming an example of rapid post war recovery. But we made a costly mistake. We kept trusting our leaders. Eritreans believed those leaders would take us to a better future and greatness; we believed our leaders would herald a new era that had eluded Africa for half a century. We believed in them, that was it. We surrendered our liberty to the whims of men with no mechanism in place to check if we were served decently, no rubric of grading them, none whatsoever other than trusting them. What we should have known is the fact that very few revolutionaries turned out to be democrats. Very few of them, actually, make good statesmen.”
    https://arhebo.com/2016/06/20/pfdj-has-forfeited-to-be-respected/
    I encourage my good friends to read the whole article. I still hold those ideas to be true.
    We should have been discussing COI and the repercussions of Ethiopia’s latest aggression. Instead, I’m pinned down here to explain myself time and again. Well, I’m just doing my thing: exposing the hypocrites and pseudo-humanists. They should never expect I will ever even want to emulate any of their wild dreams. But we should keep on working in order to have a functioning opposition. An opposition that’s based on sound national principles, and one that is truly the antithesis of PFDJ in principles and practice.
    Regards.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selma Mahmud and Saleh,

      Mahmoud, What ever blackmailing you could say about me, I assure you that it will never stick at me. Because history didn’t speak yet. But when it start to speakout in due time, it will surely accuse you that you were the culprit or enabler who killed thousands of his own brothers and sisters by allying with foreign forces (tplf) to eject your brothers/sisters to dominate the field and install the hellish government that that is devouring our people especially our young. Amanuel is clean from this blood hands like yours. Second, the truth is, EPLF did it with tplf when they can not do by themselves. Just remember the three attack fronts (the dankalia front from the east, the badume front from the south, and the sahel front from the north) your evil conspiracy and evil strategy to kill your own brothers/sisters using your current enemy. Now it is amazing to cry and attempt to tell to the victim of your alliances that tplf is the enemy of Eritrean people. Shame, it is only cheap political ploy to cover up your criminal act.

      Saay, you have every right to defend the culprit mahmuday, but you can not tell me that he is a humble who defend the victims of the regime for God’s sake, when he opposed “coi report” the voice of the victims but transcribed by three invistigators. It is okay I got your message.

      Regards

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi AH,

        I do not remember who is the one who said, ..no hand is large enough to cover the sky…, or something to that effect. No person is clever, articulate, intelligent enough to white wash the crimes of the clique that was leading and still leads our country. Just keep it up so that all the lies will not sound truth after they repeat them one thousand time.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Haile Zeru,

          When he keeps scratching our wounds and keeps escape goating our ills, we will tell him the truth. Besides, the Eritrean people are not at his heart, but the EPLF is. He has to defend every bit of its history. Did you observe him always druging us to the past?

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            please read “druging as dragging. The edit button is not working on my end

      • Kokhob Selam

        Nice Sir,

      • Peace!

        Dear Emma,

        It sounds really silly when you accuse people of injustice, and at the same time you publicly support the criminal TPLF that is committing injustice against its own people. please don’t tell me it is not “my” business when you take their money and kiss their butt. It is really hard to envision what kind of Eritrea you and the rest of Abyssinians elites have in mind given your role in spoiling and disintegrating the opposition camp. Could you tell us why you seem too shy to explain to us as to why the opposition groups have failed and now reduced to begging the white man to solve our problem. Well, my friend mission accomplished that the opposition is now dead and being engaged in MIHLELA 24/7, and your TPLF bosses are ready to unfold what they might have shard with you.

        Peace!

      • Kokhob Selam

        ክቡር ኣማኑኤል:-
        ኣንታ ብጻይ እዞም ሰብ እኮ ተጋግየ ምባል ገበን ኣብ ዝቆጽር ፖሎቲካዊ መስመራት እዮም ጸኒሖም :: ንምዃኑ ንመሪሕነት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ነጻነት ኣምጺኡ ኢሎም ዝኣመኑ እሞ ክሳብ ቅዋም ሃገር ኣብ ትሕቲኡ ክካየድ ዝተጓየዩ ሰባት ምዃኖም እባ ኣይትረስዕ ! እምበር ንብጾትና ክሳብ ኣብ ሱዳን ተሓቢኡ ዝቀትል መሪነት – ኣብ ዓለም ለኻዊ ማፍያዊ መርበብ ዝካፈል ጉጅለ እናረኣኻ እናሰማዕኻ ዶ ኣካሉ ትኸውን ኢኻ ! ርኣዮም እንዶ ወላ ይእሰሮም ይቅተሎም እኮ ክሳብ ‘ታ ነብስ ወከፎም ንህግደፍ ዝረሕራሓላ ዕለት ቅኑዕ ከምዝነበረ ክገልጹ ድሕር ኣይብሉን እዮም ::

        ነዚኦም ከምዘለዎ ተቀቢልካ ኣብ መሰጋገሪ መድረኽ ኣካፊልካ ዕርቅን ሰላምን ፈጢርካ ከም ኣካልካ ተቀቢልካ – ንራህዋን ሰላምን ምስራሕ እዩ ኣማራጺ ከምቲ ንስኻ ኩሉ ግዜ ትብሎ :: ቀይናን ሓው ክህልወካ እንከሎ እንታይ ትገብሮ? መኺርናዮም መኺርናዮም ኣይሰመዑን- ተቀጥቂጦም የሕዝኑኻ !

        ሕጂ ዝገብርዎ ነገር የለን ህግደፍ ክትሓቅቕ እያ ::

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          መርሓባ ኮኸባይ,

          ትዝክር ትኸውን ሐደ ዓመት ይገብር ዘካፋልካልና ነብሰ ሰብ ዘስካሕክሕ ተግባር ማሕሙድን ብጾቱን:: ግዝያቱ አብቲ ናይ መጨረሻ ድፊኢት ናይ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ብልፍንቲ ሓይልታት ህዝባዊ ግንባርን ወያኔን እዪ ዝነበረ:: ንስውእ ሓዎም ተጋዳላይ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ኤርትራ ቀቢሮም ንሐንቲ ኢዱ ኤዕሚኾም ልዕሊቲ ሐመድ ቀቢርዎ ዝነበረ ጢል አቢሎም ገዲፎሞ ክኸዱ:: አቲ መልእኽቱ ኸአ ፍሉጥ ‘ዩ ነይሩ:: ካብዚ ዝኸፍእ ናይ አረሜኔ ስራሕ እንታይ አሎ? እሞኸአ ሐጂ ማሕሙዳይ ሐላይ ሐውን ህዝቡን ልዕልና ተሐላቂ ኮይኑ ክርኤ ምፍታኑ እዩ: እቲ ዘገርም:: ቁሪብ ዘይሐንኽ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ብጻይ
            ኣነ ካብ ‘ዚ ዝኸፈአ ዘዕለልኩኹም ጉዳይ ነይሩ – ብዛዕባ ‘ታ ዝተሰወአት ( ብጸይትና ኣብ ደንከል ) – ሕጂ ግን እቲ መራሒ ትእዛዝ ዘመሓላለፈ እንሀ ኣብ ኮይንታይነራት ህግደፍ ፈፈው ይብል :: ዝገርመካ ኣነን ንስኻን ድማ ኢና ንሰብኣዊ መሰሉ ሓቶኽ ዝተበሃልና :- ሓሳረ መከራና እናርኣና ዝተፈላለየ ጸለመ ክወርደና ዝጸነሐ :: ሕጂ ግን ኦሮማይ ጉዳያት ኣዝዮም ተነጺሮምስ ዓልገአን በሊዐን :- ድሮ ኣብ መዛዝሚ መድረኽ እዮም በጺሖም ::

            ንሕና ዶ ሞ እቲ ንሶም ዝገበርዎ ጌጋ ክንደግሞ ኮይና ? እምበር ርኢኻዮ እንዲኻ – ድሮ ናጽነት ዝነበረ ሆሆታ !! ካን እኮ ኩሉ ገበናት ተቀቢሩ ዝተርፍ መሲልዎም – ገሊሎምናን ነጺሎምናን እዮም ነይሮም :: ብዝኾነ ሓውካስ እንታይ ትገብሮ ?

            ኣንታ ኣማኑኤል ሕጂ ወረ ዓቢ ኣርእስቲ ይቀላቀል ኣሎ in face book now : – ህግደፍ ኣብ ልዕሊ ስውኣት ዝፈጸሞ ሰብኣዊ ግህሰት ድማ ዝሓትት ሸነኽ ይመጽእ ኣሎ :: ዘፍረስዎ መቃብር ዓቢ መዘራረቢ ኮይኑ ኣሎ :: ህግደፍ ሲ ብዛዕባ ህልዋት (ዝተኣስሩን ዘይተኣስሩን – ኣብ ውሽጦ ዘለውን ደገ ዘለውን ) ዝሕተትዎ ከይኣኽሎም ብዛዕባ ኣብ ገነት ዘልው ሰባት ውን ክሕተቱ እዮም ይመስለኒ ::

          • Hope

            KS:
            Is that Face Book a Weyane sponsored one?
            You care about few incidents here and there but youcare less about the TPLF did to our Martyrs ,don’t you?
            So ,show me the gut to tell us about what the TPLF did and has done.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hope,
            allow me to ignore your post above.

    • iSem

      I MS: Congra. The discussion was successfully hijacked!. It was supposed to be about the report and now we are debating the poor opposition and who was the master of this?
      I actually agree with some of the points made in these comment: I accept the contradiction that you cannot accept, that is the liberators turned rapist and the likes of Bitweded an many others. I did not say this, Eritreans, repeat after me Eritreans, Eritreans, many Eritreans accused PFDJ as rapist, torutures, killers , disappreance and shoot to kill. My mistake is to have believed them. You made case against the veracity of all these facts, in their numbers, and in some cases in their nature
      Also about having no future in Eritrea, I also agree, because given the area of Eritrea, given the 4 million population, given only some people actually fought for Eritrea, Eritrea cannot handle more than rapists,, murders and killers,
      About the wild dreams, are you telling me, that your dreams and those of your comrades (meaning both liberators turned rapists, killers, shoot to kill orders the nationalists the justice lovers) dreams was not wild. It was wild dream sir, an impossible dream and so the dreams of those who do not have future in Eritrea is also WILD because, how dare they want to create justice in Eritrea on the rubbles of PFDJ.
      Let m say that I will add more, but do not hold your breath, it is tentative

      • Kokhob Selam

        ሓንሳብ ኣብ ዚ ኣ ሰመረ :-

        መጀመርያ እዚ ነዊሕን መሪርን ቃልሲ ህዝባዊ ቃልሲ እዩ ::ብዝኾነ ተኣመር በቲ ኣብ ውሽጢ ገድሊ ዝተፈጸሙ ጌጋታትን በዚ ሕጂ ኣብ ስልጣን ዘሎ “መንግስቲ” እየ ዝብል ዘሎ ጉጅለን ክዕብለል የብሉን:: ስለዚ ኢና ድማ ኣዝዩ ዝተድራረበ ቃልሲ ብምክያድ ንረብሓን ድልየትን ህዝቢ ክውዕል ንረባረብ ዘለና :: ኣብ ከም’ዚ ዝኣመሰለ ውሳኒ እዋን እቲ ልቦና ክብ ዝበለ ኮይኑ ክቀርብ ኣለዎ:: ሕጂ እዩ ድማ ዝለዓለ ኣስተብህሎ ዘድሊ ዘሎ ::

        ማሕሙዳይ ዘቅርቦ ዘሎ ዘንተሞጎት ብኸፊሉ ኣስተብህሎ ዘድልዮ ውን ኣሎ እዩ:: ንሕና ኣብ’ ዛ ሰዓት እዚኣ ንሃገርነትና ከም ክትሕረድ ዝቀረበት ላም እጃሞም ክረኽቡ ዝጓየዩ ሉሗኽቲ ከምዘለው ከነስተብህል ይግባኣና እዩ :: ብርግጽ ንሃገርነት ኤርትራ ኣብ ሓደጋ ኣውዲቑ ንዘሎ ስርዓት ህግደፍ ክንቃለሶ ዓይንና ክንሓሲ የብልናን:: ግዳ ነዚ እናገበርና ነዛ ሃገር ዳግማይ ኣብ መግዛእቲ ንምውዳቕ ሓይልና ከዳኸም ዝጽበዩና ካልኣይ ሸነኽ ተጻብኦ ከይህልው ሕጂ ውን ከም ቀደምና ከይተዳህለልና ብኣትክሮ ክንከታተል ኣለና ::

        ማሕምዳይ ‘ውን ነዚ ከም ምኽንያት ወሲዱ ንጠቅሚ ህግደፍ ዝውዕል መርገጻት ከይወሰድ ክጥንቀቅ ይግባእ እዩ :: ኣብ መወዳእታ ሰዓት ኣዝዩ ስጡም ኣስተብህሎ የድሊ ኣሎ – እዚ ሕጂ ኣብ ደገ ዝረአ ዘሎ ማዕበል ሓጋዚ ግደ ድኣ እምበር ወሳኒ ቦታ ከምዘይህልዎ ፍሉጥ እዩ :: ግዳ ኸኣ ነቲ ኣብ ውሽጢ ደራኺ ግደ ክጻወት ተዳልዩ ዘሎ ስለ ዝጸልዎ ኩሉ እንብሎ ኣዝዩ ጥቅንቃቐ የድልዮ እዩ :: እቲ ስራሕ ከመይ ብሞንጎ እዞም ኩሎም ኣደናገርቲ ተጻእቦታት ሓሊፍካ ሃገራውነት ሓሊኻ ሓርነት ተረጋግጽ እዩ :: ኣበሃህላይ ሒዝካዮ ክትከውን ተስፋ ይገብር :: ካብ ‘ዚ ዝብሎ ዘለኹ ዝተፈልየ ርኢቶ ዶ ይህልወካ ?

    • Kokhob Selam

      ክቡር ማሕሙዳይ:
      ኣነ ይቃወሞ ኣይቃወሞ (ብርግጽ ዝተዋጋእኩዎ ሓይሊ እዩ) ዛንታ ህዝባዊ ግንባር ዘናታና እዩ :: ኣነ ፍጹም ተጋዳላይ መትከል ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ኤርትታን ንስኻ ፍጹም ተጋዳልያ ህግሓኤን ካብ ታሪኽ ክንመሃር ድኣ እምበር ነቲ ዝሓለፈ መድረኻት ሰዓት ጠዊና ክንመልሶ ኣይንኽእልን ኢና :: ስለዚ ድማ ንናይ ሓባር ዕላማ ዝኾነ ሃገራዊን ናጽነት ክንከላኸለሉ ግቡእናን ግዴታናን ‘ውን እዩ :: ቁስልታት ገድሊ እናቦራቆቕና መእተዊ ጎዳእቲ ማይኮሮባት እንፈጥረሉ ምኽንያት ደጊም የለን :: እቲ ሕጂ ክንሰማማዓሉ ዘለና ኣገዳሲ ጉዳይ እምበኣር :-

      ፩- እዚ ሕጂ ዘሎ ስርዓት ነቲ ኣነን ንስኻን ዝወደቅናሉ ዕላማ ዘይውክሉ ምዃኑ ምቕባል ፡
      ፪ – ኩሎም ተቃወምቲ ብውሕዱ ኣንጻር ሃገራዊ ናጽነት ከምዘይኮኑ :-
      ፫ – ኢትዮጵያውያን ዕድል እንተረኺቦምን ኣብ ኣተኣላልያ ካል ኣዊ ግርጭታት እንተፈሺልና ነቲ ኩነታት ክምዝምዙ ከምዝኽእሉን :-ግዳ ኸ ኣ እዚ ከም ምኽንያት ተጠቂምካ ዕድመ ህግደፍ ምንዋሕ ጌጋ ምዃኑን::—-ግንቦት ፯ ተቃወምቲ መንግስቲ ኢትዮጵያ ዝተሸከመ ህግደፍ ምዝካር ውን ጽቡቕ እዩ ::

      ከመይ ነዚ ብሓባር ንከላኸሎ ዝብል ሕቶ ድማ ኢና ከነዕልለሉ ዘለና :: እታ መርፍእ ሻዕብያ ኣዝያ ሓይላትካ ንዝብሎ ዘለኹ ክትርዳእ እንተዘይክኢልካ ግን ሓንሳብ ዕረፍቲ ወሲድካ ተመለሳ – ፍሽኽ በል!

    • saay7

      Hala MaHmuday:

      It’s Ramadan, and there is a perfect Quranic verse, one of my faves, for you. It is 25:63 and it took me 10 long minutes to write it so you better read it and implement it. It is the exact opposite of “proportional response” because it brings vast inner peace:

      وعباد الرحمان الزين يمشون علي الارض هونا وازا خاطبهم الجاهلون قالوا سلاما

      saay

      • iSem

        Sal:
        First, there is a spelling error in the Arabic, zeneb vs zemem: za zeneb and za zamaam:)
        The “aljahulun iSem and Emma have not disowned SGJ, because is correct, he is talking about the trial, his preference, not about his tentative(to be confirmed) support of the report

        • saay7

          iSem:

          You do NOT want me to spend 10 minutes correcting the typo, do you?:)

          Now, about the “tentative”, you are firing shots so fast you did not consider the possibility that the it doesn’t apply to the stories of the victims but to (a) their interpretation; (b) the CoIE as an entity and (c) HRC as a UN org and their role in the struggle against the injustice of the Isaias Afwerki regime.

          I believe it was Attorney-at-law Ghezae Hagos who once asked why is it that support from Ethiopia is frowned upon and support from Europe welcomed? Remember? So the “tentative” support to CoIE, HRC is “thank you for giving voice to the voiceless, and thank you for listening to the whistleblowers”… but…then the but is followed by any of the following:

          1. I hope this doesn’t mean that Eritreans now think our role is just to be head-hunters finding witnesses, for salvation to come from others; we should always own our struggle (SGJ)

          2. I don’t agree with X but I agree with Y of what CoIE said (Mahmud)

          3. ……..?…….!……….* (saay)

          saay

          * all in due time:) Meanwhile, watch the documentary “Poverty, Inc.”

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan SAAY
        I will adopt that verse, Inshaallah, that’s if I could keep the wedi-Saleh me at bay. hope to do that. For those who don’t read Arabic, it calls for a de-escalation of a situation, a peaceful resolution.
        Back to the post: I read it and I like its overall message. SGJ ንኹላ ኣራኺቡላ ኣሎ and he surely seems to have endorsed your DC. The Eritrean army is recognized as a potential source of change. Eritreans inside are recognized as the major stakeholders. The dire situation of the opposition is recognized. ‘እንታይ ድዩ ዘብክየኒ ዘሎ በለት በልዋ። What else have I said? I could skip minor points. Good reading.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        The statement you quoted from SGJ is his noble wishes, and who does not wish that. The question is, the window of probabilities his wishes to happen in the Eritrean realities, is extremely remote probability and you can quantify it if you are from the statistics know how. But even if that window of “possibility of the probability” happened, while the alternative “the summon of the despot” to ICC in place, the national court of justice will take the precedence over the international court. So my friend in order to wait that wish to happen we can not let him out the hook of ICC.

        Second, tentative support of any issue is ambivalece in its nature. Wishes does make you to have tentative view on issues. SGJ ‘s support to COI has never been tentative nor does he has ambivalent position when it comes in his struggle. Sem and myself always took him as an indispensable asset in our struggle, and do not even entertain us or expect from us to disown him. He is solid, consistent, and dependable in our struggle. Take this note as is on the issue at hand.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • iSem

          Hi Emma:
          I do not want to translate the Arabic for you and he deliberately did not translate it and MS translated it wrong, so Sal is “fettan”:-)
          Sal, by the way, I mean beauty by “fittna”hahahaha

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Sem,

            Saay does always when he does not want us to know. It is okay with me. If I do not know it, it does affect me what so ever.

          • saay7

            Bad cuz iSem:

            I think when I give the chapter and verse of the Quran, (Chapter 25, verse 63) I am saying you can easily find the English translation from your friendly google store. In my context, it simply means when someone is trolling you, and deliberately misunderstanding you or is not capable of understanding you, just say, “peace out, bro” and move on. I was going to use Gandhi’s “an eye-for-an eye, tooth-for-a tooth will soon make the world blind and toothless” and something told me that that expression is something attributed to Gandhi but never uttered by Gandhi. And sure enough, it is some anonymous Brit parliamentarian who said it.

            My point is that the “with-us-or-against-us” that you, iSem, Berhe and Mahmuday were into leads to this world that is so polarized it has taken exile in the irrational world. Exhibit: here’s a treat for you: listen beginning at the 1:03:01 mark from yesterday’s pro-gov demonstration: this lady is saying that she supports Isaias Afwerki because, unlike the European education system which holds back Eritreans, Isaias is building roads and schools. She is closely followed by a lady in Europe who, with her kids safely tucked in Europe, is promising hell’s fury to the US and Ethiopia:

            https://youtu.be/GxycXF-IgYc?t=1h3m1s

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi abu Saleh:)
            I did not need the translation, I used to abuse the verse, you know when I was younger and milder 😉
            It was my fav and your intention was not lost and there is a Quranic verse about intentions too
            Now go ahead:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            There the ignorant piece in the verse you have and if that is in reference to me I get it, peace out.

            As to the polarized world you think we live I don’t know what to say. May be its the water in Canada that we drink.

            I was searching the human rights issue of Eritrea at the UN human right page and there was nothing documented. Yes, amnesty, HRW, CPj had stuff but nothing at the UN level where it matters the most and the government can be called to account, it can ignore the other organization (as it has for the past 15) and nothing would happen. You can look your archived email and see the emails I use to send you. It was clear to me then that, it’s one way or one of the best ways to get the government to account and force him to change its ways or pay the consequence. Dr. Daniel Rezene can speak but been exchanging this idea since then, when he was in S. Africa. I am not saying I had anything with it, but in few occasions I had talked with some officials at the UN and New York. Many things changed in my life, and I joined awate.com forum (what a mistake:), thinking to gather support and work on the idea to lobby the UN to appoint SR. In stead I ended up spending my time arguing and fighting with people like Nitric, Tsatse or someone I suspected to be Sophia Tesfamariam. I had withdrawn for extended amount of time as I didn’t see that my efforts were making changes.

            I met Elsa Chyrum years later and we brought up the subject, she told me in confidence that the UN soon will appoint special Repporter, and soon it happened.

            My good friend GH was asking me to get back to the activism and didn’t have the energy and with life demand couldn’t do. I think I come back again to AT, about the time the SR was collecting evidence.

            Then I run into MS, well it has nothing but a disaster.

            I don’t have a polarized view Aboy EPLF or PFDJ. EPLF is part of me and part of my family. My father was an active wahio in Asmara where he arranged lots of logistics for their operations. He was even there at the event Dan Connel wrote in his book. His contact / recruiter was someone named wedi Bulla who was killed in one of the operations. My father went to prison (not sure it was related to his activities) and lucky for him, Dawit Wokdeghis come and he was released three months later. He was given a certificate from EPLF for his work and he has it displayed it proudly.

            As you may think or believe, I do have a stake in EPLF and Eritrea. Ok I never said most of the good things, I don’t think there was much to the benefit of the public, because the forces of evil had always the upper hand (IA and company) that the good within were dominated from doing what’s good. Haile DuruE (may be there are who disagree but based on what I read) to me I think represent what’s good the EPLF did, Biteweded also is in the same catagory. Believe it or not, MS is also in the same catagory when he is at his best, but I feel sometimes I feel he has inherited the ugly side of the PFDJ.

            The side that attacks people without any evidence, the side that make him believe that he and only he has the best for Eritrea and anyone else he jumps to put in weyane camp. You know the culture of shoot first and explain later.

            Here I come across of a video of Hanna Petros http://youtu.be/Bys4tN_bY8I

            I don’t have to lecture you what the injustice done by PFDJ to you, as you are still living it, but her story puts things in perspective. Listen to what she says and compare to what Mike Simith is saying, he is telling everything she says to the world to hear and to do something about.

            How can this line be blurred, debated or needs any doubt, at least that’s my thinking.

            No body in his right mind opposes if the change comes from within and justice is served. And good luck to us if that happens. But in the absence of that, this is the best option, peaceful way to bring change and held those responsible to account. Alternative if that is, civil war and arm struggle, which will be costly and leads to the unknown.

            Does AT and the members can play a roll in figuring out and coming up with frame work that would help guide the country for smooth transition, like GAIN, sure.

            As for me, I have renew my activism life and try Hanna and Dr. Daniel and you Saay to talk to the CBC. I will have easier time trying to reach out to George Cloony and ask him to campaign for sending the PFDJ thugs to the ICC rather than arguing endlessly.

            MS your worry about unmaking of Eritrea is mine as well. My good friend iSem can tell you that, but I think the reason would be because of PFDJ. Do I trust the TPLF government from taking advantage of Eritrea at its weakest point (for example if power vaccum), absolutely not. They will take advantage, no doubt about that. I never want to say it publicly, as I don’t want to appear giving ideas but Creamia is a perfect example, if you put the dots together. I think we need to think hard, how to prevent from us ending like that. I don’t think that happens because of opposition or sellout but because the government we have is purposely making it happen so that we ended up divided and failed state so the TPLF can take advantage (he is unlocking the door for them), and that I believe is done purposely, to destroy us.

            HA said it, they are not a fool would not want to force and take the whole but they can take what they can and fiercely hold on to it and we are too weak too divided to fight back. Now this may give them some temporary relief but we have to convince them diplomatically its to their disadvantage in the long term, when they can have what they need peacefully and that they can benefit even more.

            With this I say peace out, to borrow Saay advice.

            Berhe

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam BerheY

            sometimes we get highly charged and it’s unfortunate that we spend unnecessary time on aimless bickering that we later regret. I will forget what you said about me because it’s your judgement, a one person judgement. There are many readers and contacts, most of the determined opponents of the regime, who tell me I carry the best of EPLF. It doesn’t make any change in my views and on how I behave with people. I’m not against people. I the idea someone is floating at a given time. iSem, Emma, KS, HA…and many others are my fierce critics. My “rage”, if you like, ends with the end of the topic at hand. SAAY reminded me yesterday using the verse, which is a commonsense one and is applicable everywhere and by anyone, which teaches us to be patient and peace out when faced with a situation where communication breaks down and understanding becomes difficult. The word Jahloon is a plural name of the word jahl which could mean many things including but not limited to “ignorant”. It also means an average/simple person, someone lacking appropriate knowledge/information…it may also mean someone innocent (of committed misdeeds), someone uneducated…it depends on the situation. You know well SAAY would not characterize any of the discussants as “ignorant” in the sense you and Emma suspect . Literal translations in such a situation is not helpful, and that’s why I translated the message and not the verse itself (iSem pay attention), because the word Jahl is common in daily language. If there is a communication breakdown as in cases when Emma and I “communicate” in different wave lengths, either or both sides are missing the core issue. Therefore, the verse advises that if you face someone who could not understand you, don’t escalate the situation, pacify it. That’s the message, which is also taught in companies and institutions while touching on conflict management.

            You said, “MS your worry about unmaking of Eritrea is mine as well. My good friend iSem can tell you that, but I think the reason would be because of PFDJ. Do I trust the TPLF government from taking advantage of Eritrea at its weakest point (for example if power vaccum), absolutely not. They will take advantage, no doubt about that. I never want to say it publicly, as I don’t want to appear giving ideas but Creamia is a perfect example, if you put the dots together. I think we need to think hard, how to prevent from us ending like that. I don’t think that happens because of opposition or sellout but because the government we have is purposely making it happen so that we ended up divided and failed state so the TPLF can take advantage (he is unlocking the door for them), and that I believe is done purposely, to destroy us”

            This paragraph summarizes my worries. And it’s not only mine, it should be every Eritrean’s worry. When I wrote my article in October 2013 (https://arhebo.com/2016/06/20/pfdj-has-forfeited-to-be-respected/) I was under tremendous mental duress. I believe I captured the paragraph above. I also agree that the panacea to such a scenario is building a dynamic alternative to PFDJ. That’s where I don’t get understood, part of it could be of my own making. The point: please understand that overprotection is not good. We overprotected EPLF, and put our trust on its leadership and we are here. Opposing the power to be is the right of everyone. The notion that someone is guilty by a remote association is anti- justice. The notion that the opposition is closer to some than to others is one of the dire challenges facing justice seekers. Opposition leaders are dealing with governments and NGOs on my behalf. They are there to be criticized and pressured to make wise moves. None of us could claim is closer to them than the person in the next stall.
            But calm discourse is needed and let’s do that.
            Regards.

          • saay7

            Selamat Gentle BY:

            Mahmuday has already dealt with the word Jahilun and he did an excellent job of explaining it. No offense was intended.

            Furthermore, I consider you one of the most loyal awatistas who was here in 02, Awate 1.0. So I feel like I “know” you much longer than MaHmuday.

            You did not have to explain your role, or that of your family, and I am sorry that something I said made you feel it was necessary to do so. From my perspective, every Eritrean has a right as a citizen and it makes no difference what their role was during the Revolution. I certainly don’t have anything to brag aboout: I won’t guilt-trip anyone on that and I won’t allow anyone to guilt-trip me. (I will only allow myself to self-guilt.)

            As for EHRAG (Eritrean Human Rights Advocacy Group), I think it was the first human rights advocacy group Eritreans initiated. Maybe the second, if you count Paulos BaAtay’s Eritrea-based human rights advocacy group. Very quickly, I learned I am are extremely uncomfortable, and much too self-aware, to navigate the NGO world which operates like a business. This is neither good, nor bad: its just not how I am wired. Man’s gotta know his limitations. (Insert appropriate Abraham Afewerki song here.) I am sorry we dropped the project with much fanfare and did not notify in writing the early pioneers like yourself.

            So now, here we are. I think everybody should focus on what they are good at. What I most like about the Geneva demonstration is that it is culmination of people with different skill-sets doing what they are really good at.

            Peace out!

            saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        The statement you quoted from SGJ is his noble wishes, and who does not wish that. The question is, the window of probabilities his wishes to happen in the Eritrean realities, is extremely remote probability and you can quantify it if you are from the statistics know how. But even if that window of “possibility of the probability” happened, while the alternative “the summon of the despot” to ICC in place, the national court of justice will take the precedent over the international court. So my friend in order to wait that wish to happen we can not let him out the hook from the Summon of ICC, if at all will be realistic.

        Second, tentative support on any issue is ambivalece in its nature. Wishes does not make you to have a tentative view on issues. SGJ ‘s support to COI has never been tentative nor does he has ambivalent position when it comes in his struggle. Sem and myself always took him as an indispensable asset in our struggle, and do not even entertain us or expect from us to disown him. He is solid, consistent, and dependable in our struggle. Take this note as is on the issue at hand.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

  • Hope

    Hey SAAY:
    Remember that the ” Encouragement of Migratoon for cash by the GoE” is NOT exceptional to Eritrea either.
    Without going further,our Southern Neghbo(u)r has been exporting more than 50 ,000 Maids to Saudi Arabia!
    How about that?

    Not to mention that the TPLF Government has been legally selling the ERITREAN ID to/for its own Citizens and sending them to the West and Oceanea as ” ERITREAN Refugees”.for cash investment.
    The back bone of the Phillipine Economy is based and founded on suck a kind of ” business”.

  • Johnson

    Hi.Eritrean and Ethiopian people have no interest for another round madness bloody war. they have many challenges with in their day to day real lives to deal with. who ever has this evil intentions against both nations will be in trouble at the end of the day. mark my word , the coming war who has blessed by USA will not be the same as the last wars that killed 100,000 people. this war is going to be very destructive by any measures , don’t except good out of the bad, both Eritrean and Ethiopian will have no country anymore. both countries will collapse and disintegrate just like CIA Somalia model . those two very old outdated irresponsible warmongers ruling parties transfer their war legacy to civil war and tribal unrest in both countries after their big bang. ISS in Yemen is waiting to sneak in the area to destroy historical sites. that is why Ethiopian and Eritrean people don’t want to see any war ,they have done it enough before for nothing. what ever words come out from both parties to impresses people to go to war , it will not work. why they kill each other in the first place for the sake of parties unknown interests ,while they could get it whatever they want with a peace and good brotherly relations.PEACE for ETHIOPIAN AND ERITREAN!

  • Rahel

    Guest,

    If I may, although Yoty Topy is doing a fables job. Israel has
    a dry land but do you know that Israel is a model country for modern
    agriculture production. I saw a video where an Israelis farmer teaching Tigrean
    farmer how to…. The Israel’s didn’t have to teach Tigrean farmer if you know
    how to change dry land as you call it, dear Guest. Unfortunately, person like you
    with xxx brain can only see xxx and creating endless animosity and misery. The dray land and difficult area to farm would have been a wonderful exercise for people with good brain. This is an opportunity missed by. Thank you for letting us know who you are.

    • Hope

      Selam Rahel(copied and borrowed from Eritrea)!
      Admit it that before the Israelis,it was and has been ERITREANS,who taught you to do things..,
      Check every thing the Tigreyans are doing and saying in all aspects and U will confirm that they CC everything ERITREANS are saying and doing.
      No details needed!
      No Racism or Bigotry here but facts.
      They should appreciate ERITREANS rather than hating them.

  • Yoty Topy

    Hi guest,

    You still on that conspiracy bandwagon mate?:) Everyone has things they excel at. Yes, the north is the driest part of the nation but also is responsible for enshrining the nations sovereignty.More importantly , what good is land if you lack an authority that can pull resources to improve the lives of its citizens.

    ‘Why you didn’t insult?’ No insults allowed in here if you didn’t notice 🙂 but if you are in the mood for it, I’d invite you to step outside :)kiddin’!

    • Guest

      Dear yoty
      Am not and never be on that or this conspiracy of anything . to be honest if the far north was green and suitable for living we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place so i wish it was green and you said what good is land if you lack an authority that can pull resources to improve the lives of its citizens this is the whole argument , the whole killing is all about b/c tplf is the authority directly and through it’s puppet like opdo. Andem and so on that is why tplf need to go where it belongs and we need to have our own tplf in our own land and this is the must every ethiopian nation and nationalities , every religious group. every person have to have a say about the country .ma’assalama

  • Abi

    Hope
    I have some idea what you can bring through Port Sudan. You have used it before to smuggle weapons in your self distraction campaign. For more explanation refer to Tegadalay Amanuel Hidrat, the former procurement supervisor at Port Sudan.
    I have also a clear idea as to what might have arrived from Cairo. 6,000,000 Egyptians to take over your country.
    Time to change your depend. It is wet again.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Ahlan Kboor SAAY
    Honestly, Eritrea is aging fast. The Generals, the president the ambassadors, the ministers…I mean everything. And I was thinking of this when I watched Ambassador Beyene Resom, and tried to see if there is any civilian (non tegadalay minister). Non. Well, that’s to say that Eritrea is aging fast before it could enjoy its youthfulness. I’m thinking of writing a short article on this. But the point is: I was watching the interviews of the ambassadors, and I felt how poorly they are equipped to the extent that they could not snatch an event such as the latest clash between the two countries and try to convince the members of the UNSC. The language and tone the MOFA used to communicate Eritrea’s grievances about the USA and the UNSG was below standard. I think if I were a member of the government’s team (as brother Emma is suspecting) I would try to suggest to Kboor Brezidant IA that he must fill in his ambassadorial positions with young YPFDJs. I think they would do a better job. At least they would follow communication skills they have just been tested on.
    Coming to PFDJ mZungus: I have similar observation Saleh. Yes, I’m not a person to be quoted otherwise, I have lamented that the migration was a pressure valve for the government as YG himself admitted in one of his speeches/interviews.
    I have to break a tradition and put a point that you made while we were talking off line:
    You told me while doing one of those megnaHti’s that you give me once a while (or berating reprimands) that, I will paraphrase most dictators leave citizens alone as long as they don’t mess in politics. But our dictator would not leave a space for citizens. The government controls all aspects of citizens. To make that point, you said that starting from agae 15-17 year olds on the government controls the population. Either you would be in High school in Sawa, military academy, in the rmy or in the civil departments. For the old people, either they will be in the civil departments, the regular army, the people’s army, etc. If you were not in one of these places, you must be in prison. That was an eye opening brother Saleh. That’s why while I have no hope in the likes of UN sponsored entities to give solution to Eritrea’s problems, they may act as a pressure tool.
    WadeHanka.

    • saay7

      Ahlen Mahmuday:

      Of the many atrocious things Ambassador Beyene Russom said in that interview with Kenyan TV when he was threatening the Ethiopian ambassador “if you go too far, I will go too far” was the inference that somebody who “was not in the revolution” does not have the entitlement to be in government leadership so, no, that mindset does not have space for civilian leadership. Not only would the YPFDJ do much better than the ambassadors, but they would do a much better job than IA.

      With respect to the series of one-paragraph press-releases Eritrea’s ministry of foreign affairs has given so far, Ethiopia’s Daniel Berhane (who is probably, pound for pound, the closest thing we have to an “informed, and not-in-your-face-partisan” journalist from both of Eritrea and Ethiopia) has a report. You can take or leave his explanation as to why Ethiopia either initiated or escalated the conflict, but his analysis of the language of MoFA is, I think, spot on:

      http://hornaffairs.com/en/2016/06/19/ethiopia-eritrea-clash-facts-details/

      He also critically assesses Gedab News report on the spark of the conflict (EDF and Eri Oppo crossfire) and asks, “if that is the case, why didn’t Eritrean opposition radio in Mekele, WegaHta, report it?” Good question, but he begings his rarrative of the war from Sunday 5:00 am, and ours starts from Saturday at midnight, so he doesn’t answer what happened to the missing five hours (midnight to 5:00 am.)

      Everything I tell you (or anyone else) offline is fair game, unless I tell you things in confidence. Since I didn’t, it is all good. Besides, I made the same point in my interview with medrek radio over a week ago: they must be transcribing it or it is on cue so it is not such a strict. For the rest of awatistas so they know what we are talking about, I was trying to draw a distinction between life in Eritrea under the rule of IA, and life in Libya, Egypt, Yemen and Iraq under the rule of their tyrants.

      saay

      PS: Yes, PTS, i remember all the semi-official G-15 killers who showed up including Feday Negus (Avenger of the king), Fre Shawl (son of Aba Shawl), etc. One of them re-activated when Bereket Habteselasse and the constitution was put on the firing squad a few years ago.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        MarHab SAAY
        Good observation. Yes, PFDJ is aging fast, not Eritrea. Tigrayt speakers would say “abaay Eretrya la’abr.” Eritrea is still young and hopeful waiting for the right combination of ideas.

      • Hope

        Mahmud and Saay:
        It is prob better to leave aside the things we have no details about.
        As to who started what and for what purpose,I thought that it has been a public secret thus far.
        To kill and wound about 1000 EDF members within few hrs per Daniel Berhane is-???
        That only happened at Tessenei and Barentu Fronts-the worst causality in the Eritrean Armed Struggle history.
        I will wait until the EDF Colonel shows up on the EBC…But would I be surprised though??
        Why should I though other than sympathizing with the EDF?
        The ONLY thing I wish is that the GoE should shop for the best and the most lethal weapons under the Sun,if at all it is getting some mokshish form the GCC..as the TPLF.
        But for some people to blame the EDF/the GoE as weak and unable to defend itself after 10 plus years of Arms Embargo and sanction is but beyond hypocrisy.
        Wasn’t the whole purpose of the embargo and sanctions to keep the EDF and the GoE weak?
        And some of us are jsutify8ing that Strategy and Outcome as Eritreans coz we hate the PFDJ?
        That would be beyond Bigotry.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Hope
          You subjected me to reading one of the most trashy analysis. I did not read the Hornaffairs.com analysis when I replied to SAAY. I just commented on the “aging” thing and moved on. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Indeed, it is a trashy analysis that is full of hypotheses. What’s happened was an aggression, period. As far as counting bodies is concerned, I hope the numbers are much more smaller than what either government would want us to hear. The stuff that Berhane compiled in Hornaffairs was floating in facebook accounts; some individuals appeared to use the opportunity for more “likes” by disseminating rumors, troops movements and what not.
          What’s clear is that Ethiopia started it with heavy bombardment, the Eritrean side did not return fire for about 6 hours (this is from people who were not in the area of conflict but close enough, and individuals I believe could reasonably be better informed). As a rule of thumb, when you start your offense by bombarding positions, commanders have enough time to plan for best options. The element of surprise is gone. Therefore, Berhane’s annihilation of regiments is out of consideration. Secondly, the information I obtained is consistent with a preplanned drills. That’s pulling back forward posts to the main defense lines. Once Eritrea sized up the plans and size of enemy, it counterattacked to areas beyond Ethiopia’s forward posts. Colonels could be captured, that does tell anything. The area was under full “state of military operation’s zone” and communication was cut. Therefore, there is little to say about casualties.
          Since every one is coming up with hypothesis, here is mine.
          1. Ethiopia has been laying the fertile ground through making Eritrea a pariah state, and now you have COI. So, it appears it thought there will be no party that will listen to Eritrea’s calls, no one will believe it, hence the time is now. Eritrea’s growing engagement does not sit well with Ethiopia, particularly Eritrea’s close relations with Arabs and particularly with Egypt.
          2. It might have been a prelude to what will follow. That’s a classic military tactic to see the readiness of your opponent. Ethiopia may have all the numbers of Eritrea’s capabilities, but it want to test how Eritrea responds; it want to see how Eritrea put those numbers together and respond….I hate to see it, but it appears it was meant to be a test to see Eritrea’s readiness to defend itself and its resolve to respond to such provocations.

          • Hope

            Selam Mahmud:
            You are the Expert on that but my intention was to trash that trash by a certain Daniel Berhane,who has no clue about Military Science. But he is entitled to his opinion.
            That site was specifically built to target Eritrea, after all ,hence,there is NO need to read it let alone to “trust” or believe it.

        • Abi

          Hope Nebsi
          Just the other day you listed the ” out of this world ” pile of weapons your sanctioned country procured. I was expecting of the news that celebrate the arrival of submarines and carries .
          What’s up? The usual flipping?

    • iSem

      Hi Saleh and Mahmuday:
      I know Saleh kiqtleni eyu (I am talking in Tigryat now) but this does not have to end this way, meaning IA, PFDJ and EPLF their history should not have ended this way, meaning accused of crimes against humanity, that is shame, a failure, everything was going for them: Loyal population, overwhelming support almost to a cult status, blind trust on president and the front and the government. They would have slowly changed to a civilized society, with their reputation pristine, their past crimes un known. But a dog cannot give birth to a lamb, that is, you can be or turn to something that is not in your nature, that embedded in your DNA. I said enough to clue you in why I introduced this comment with Sal will kill me 🙂
      Beyene Russom is a smart man, he was a medical student in Addis, and during his ghedli time when he was posted in the Sudan, he was articulate, sober and convincing, he talked little but when he talked the room listed. Now he supports the regime that disappeared his wife and her brother, Ermias is also his friend and as far I am concerned the poor guy is a victim, a captive, enslaved, he does not have to deny slavery in Eritrea, through his interviews the worlds has known his slavery. But his is not an outlier, his story is too common in the PFDJ land
      I can see that Mahmuday still agonizing over the report by CoI, and still anguished to accept it as an Eritrean report by Eritreans. There is no need to have faith on UN to bring solution, the question is doing you have faith on the Eritreans who gave their testimonies to the UN after crying for 25 years to their government to be sensible,
      There is one disturbing line in Mahmuday’s comment and it this: “… I have no hope in the likes of UN sponsored entities to give solution to Eritrea’s problems, they may act as a pressure tool.”
      “The act as a pressure tool” line a code for PFDJ reforming itself. MS. Like you told someone recently to give up on Asseb like their mother’s breast, I will quote you back that line, that hope was one of the deterrent of the people rising and you are still entertaining it, instead of embracing the report of Eritreans, by Eritreans and for Eritreans. if the CoI has asked the same 500 Eritreans 10 years ago they would not have been as forth coming, yehlifnna aynhibin or what YG called Dejen’’s syndrome. You are still pinning your hopes on PFDJ reforming by outside pressure. Reforming will require accountability, that is PFDJ will at least admit the crimes and apologize, short of that it is not reform. And it is not in the nature of PFDJ to do so
      One more disturbing lines is this: “the international community appeasing Ethiopia.” What has appeasing Ethiopia to do with PFDJ raping, torturing, disappearing and shooting to kill Eritreans? I want to you look into a big mirror, to don your kelashin and your gambale and imagine you are sitting in your trenches and remember the world ignoring the Eritrean yearning for nationhood in 1978 and the Soviet supporting the Degi and the EPLF to attract attention to the unfair wold imprisoned a bunch of elders and priests who came to mediate to stop the war between EPLF and ELF and also EPLF rounding teenagers in their villages in so called national call and turning them into concubines?
      The great MaHmuday has penned several disturbing lines since June 8 when Mike Smith summarized the report that found enough grounds for crimes against humanity. The durable stability and peace in Eritrea can only come when Eritreans do the heavy lifting, but it is incumbent upon every Eritrean worth his salt to fully support this report, not because we have complete faith on the UN panel, but we have heard the stories from our friends, our loved ones and many Eritreans and given what Saleh calls the 3 degree of separation between Eritreans, the report merely validated, exonerated, corroborated the 25 years of anguish that we heard.

      Ignore and doubt the testimonies of the sons and daughters of Eritrea at your own peril. If the same sons and daughter of Eritrea can be trusted to bring the change by Eritreans, it should be no brainer to trust them when they share agonies of torture, rape, disappearance and imprisonment. So simple

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Semere Andom

        Let just leave the adjectives you are making that SAAY complained about aside and bring this line to your attention. You said: “…EPLF rounding teenagers in their villages in so called national call and turning them into concubines?”

        Now, considering that the “National Call” started in 1983, recalling that Semere Andom was a cadre of EPLF’s student union who participating in its congress of 1988(?), what was Semere Andom doing in Hishkeb singing Nsu Nhna? Tell you what abu Noah, I know many who regretted their time in Eritrea’s liberation struggle and have turned into adjective producing factories cursing that era. They are very few, thanks God. Don’t be like them. You could be a fierce defender of your brothers’ legacy while fighting for justice. I still believe you will one day acknowledge your views on me were not correct. I have that hope despite Ted’s compalints (where are you the great?). I move on, my friend Semere, and I have moved on quite a lot. This time around though there is no blind faith, no ” widbey the great!” If EPLF the great could result in a situation below my expectation, any Mzungu or Eritrean Hungugu could easily be found to be way below my expectation. So, it is a retail thing. Take news and analysis that may come out, Reports that may be produced, slogans, organizations that may be created…one at a time. The rule of thumb is: trust your instincts.
        Regards.
        Kab bxaayka wedi Saleh

        • iSem

          Hi Mahmuday:
          You misunderstood. First, please do not pull Nitricc. we did not sing nihna nsu, that line was forbidden then, but like the banning of the Amharic songs, it was only said in secret 🙂
          And I did not say in my last comment that EPLF rounded teenagers….” I asked you to imagine them doing that in retaliation of the Soviet supporting/appeasing Ethiopia. I am sure you knew it, if u did not, I am telling u now.
          Now my debate was not about ghedli, please do not make it. It is a passing point, my debating was about the report because your response to Sal was an off shoot of the report. And the analogy I borught was to bring to your atten the absurdity(is this adjective or adverve:-)) of the logic of the appeasing of Ethiopia is responsible for PFDJ’s acions towards it people. Now please go to that mirror and imagine EPLF doing that ( for the purpose of this comment, I am saying they did not do it) Please read my comment and do not just remember what I said about PLF in the past
          Well, I cannot completely do away with adjectives, they are part of the written world:-)
          Please read my comment and respond especially your line of “appeasing Ethiopia”

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan abu Noah
            So, I want to make it short. I want to direct your attention to the comments I made under SAAY’s article (the first one, not the summary). I clearly marked the portion of the report I would be willing to support and the portion I consider as politically motivated additions. Under normal situation this should not even have been a matter of concern for people who have lived in open society for decades and who have gone through campuses. Come on guys, even the poor Mahmuday is doing it. It’s doable, OK. Give space to differing readings. I would be happy to respond point by point but I have repeated my position so many times that I don’t see a merit in repeating it again. You guys want me to take it as it is. That is not my nature. OK. Let us see it taking its course. ደሓር ከኣ ህግድፍ ይርሃጸሉ’ዚ ዓርከይ። What amazes me is how misunderstood I’m even by my close friends. I will give you an excerpt from my last article.
            “1. እቲ ምኽያት ናይ ምንዋሕ ሃገራዊ ኣገልግሎት ናብ ኢትዮጵያ እንተኣጸጋዕካዮ፡ እቲ ኣብ ውሽጢ እቲ ኣገልግሎት ዝግበር ግህሰት ሰብኣዊ መሰላት ግን ከመይ ኣቢልካ ኢኻ ናብ ኢትዮጲያ ክተልግቦ ትኽእል?

            2. “ቀደም ኲናት፡ ሕጂ ከኣ ‘ኣይኲናት ኣይሰላም’ ንፖለቲካዊ መስርሕ ዓንቒፍዎ” ኢልካ ትገልጽ። ሕራይ ንብዙሕነት ፖለቲካ ብከምኡ ነመኽንየሉ። ምኽንያት ናይ ስእነት ግዝኣተ-ሕጊ ኸ እንታይ እዩ? ኣብታ ሃገር መባእታዊ ምሕላው መሰላት ንኸይህሉ ከመይ ኢሉ እዩ ጉዳይ ዶብ ክጸልዎ። ንኣብነት ኣነን ንስኻን እንፈልጦም ሰባት ንሓሙሽተ ወይ እውን ንዓስርተ ዓመታት ተኣሲሮም፡ ምኽንያት መእሰሪኦም እውን ከይተነግሮም ክፈትሕዎም ንርኢ። ንኸይዛረቡ እውን ተኣጊዶም። ኣነን ንስኻን እንፈልጦም፡ ብዙሓት ኣበይ ከምዘለዉ ዘይፍለጡን፡ እቶም ሃላዋቶም ዝፍለጥ እውን ብዘይፍርድን ስድርኦም ከይረኣዩን ኣብ ኣብያተ ማእሰርቲ ይበልዩ ኣለው። ሓሳብካ ናይ ምግላጽ ጉዳይ ንጎኒ ገዲፍና፡ እታ “ፍትሕን ሓርነትን ዝዓሰላ ሃገር ክንሃንጽ ንጋደል ኣሎና” ትብላ ዝነበርካ ኣበይ ኣቢላ? ጉዳይ ዶብ ከ ከምይ ኢሉ እዩ መመኽነዪ ምርጋጽ መባእታዊ መሰላት ዝኸውን? ኣዘዝቲ ሰራዊ ከይተረፉ ንሰባት ብ”ይጽነሓለይ” ናብ ኣብያተ ማእሰርቲ ይዳጉኑ ከምዝነበሩ ብኡ ዝሓለፉ ኣዕሊሎምኒ። እቲ ቐጻሊ ግፋን ግፍዕን ኸ መርኣያ ተቓውሞ መንእሰያት ‘ዶ ኣይኮነን?” You can read the whole article here. I hope it will refresh your memory that what agonizes me is not keeping the legacy of ghedli but the future of my fellow country men and women. Incidentally, most of my few articles criticize the government for its human right record. So, my friend, I very clear about this.
            http://www.erigazette.org/?p=8658
            When I say “appeasing Ethiopia, it is true. But you have to have open and fair mind. If you are in the business of regime change instead of CHANGE, then you can’t get this.

            * You are fine my friend, less adjectives this time.
            **”absurdity” I thin is a verb noun or something like that. Therefore, you are OK this time. ሓደ ስጉምቲ ንቅድሚት።

          • iSem

            Hi Mahmuday:
            Just to focus on this snippet that you quoted as a representative of your article, your criticism would be excellet for a government that is governed by laws that sometimes overreaches, the problem with your pefectionary criticism of the endless national service assumes that the government of Eritrea is a government, do not get me wrong they have ministers and ministries, military and military men but that is where it stops. In Eritrea there are no laws to overreach so PFDJ is not overreaching, in Eritrea there are only a tyrant that is this close to be a totalitarian government and with the gold from Bisha it will soon be a full-fledged totalitarian where it will control which women men to marry and how many children they should have. Your criticism would have been potent for a government that has some laws and overreached them, meaning getting creative with the laws to do something that the laws do not allow but in our case I keep you at a higher standard and would have liked you to condemned it. If Nitricc said it, if Ted said it, if dawit said it, if Gheteb said it , that would have been quantum leap, but a former freedom fighter who has paid so much so that such things will never happen, and by paying so much I do not just mean blood and sweat and life but also curtailing your freedom, prolonged work and toil, I expect you to go beyond the run of the mill criticism that you lobbed at PFDJ. That is all Wedi Saleh

            You indicated the prolonged NS is justified but you criticised the human right abuses, good but not good enough. Good because you said there is no justification for dispreading people, but you ignored the slavery nature of NS. Again, I stress that no one wants to be called a slave and people are not sold in an open market, but working in a general’s farm without getting paid and against your will is akin to the plantation during the US slave trade. So you came short of having faith on the people who told the CoI that they were enslaved
            About regime change vs. Change, what are you going to change, Shengeb said, “I wish there was something to reform or change in the regime, there is none.”
            Regime change or weed out, is not killing every PFDJ member and general, many of them can play part of the change, but the regime as Sal calls it, the head of the snake must be cut off and that is regime change, not change.
            The report found:
            Sexual enslavement, murder, torture and shoot to kill policy as corroborated by Eritreans with emotional and physical scars, Mike Smith was emotional at one point and you have yet to accept them all, if you did, I may have missed it. I think you cannot fathom Eritrean shooting at an other, get over it, they do, Eritreans torture Eritreans, Eritreans rape Eritreans and Eritreans disappear Eritreans, stop hiding behind the great ghedli, it belongs to all of us, I mean even to those of us who hid our tails between our legs and run away.
            As to me, I even shared with you about my concept of what I call the gentlemen of Sahel, I am still deferential about Ghedli, but I am also brutal critic of its crime sometimes worse than the enemy that it started to fight.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam iSem

            1. On the article you read: you said “You indicated the prolonged NS is justified but you criticised the human right abuses…”
            No I did not justify it. If you have a problem understanding it, I will call Tesfaldet Bahta for you.
            2. I’m well aware of the nature of the government, and I have said enough about it. The article was personal and I was addressing it to a man I know very well. Taken within its context, it was measured and many feedbacks attest to that. Of course, it is short of loaded adjectives such as “alliance of killers, rapist…North Korea….” I don’t use those adjectives, They have no place in my discourse.
            3. CHANGE VS regime change: I will address that in a different medium. But they are quite different. Each of them demand different approaches.
            4. COI: I’m done with it. I should not be expected to see it the way you see it. If that would mean to you that I’m against any process that would make officials to account for their actions, that’s up to you. What I sense is how thin and bare our activists are when it comes to conducting a sober discussion. We have not even discuss it. All I see is accusations and labeling. That does not convince people, my friend. I’m not living in Mars to suddenly be awakened by Mr.Mzungu report. I have been writing about it since the day I started to voice my concern.
            5. We know reforming PFDJ would be a daunting task and it concerns its members. I’m not a member and its fate does not concern me. What we don’t know is if our opposition organizations raise to a level we would be able to talk about reforming them. At this stage PFDJ would be more believable if it talked about reforming itself than if the opposition talked about reforming itself. Because PFDJ has not talked about reforming itself, but the opposition has been talking about its failures but could figure out how to remediate it. It is that bad my friend. There you have it my friend. Personally, I talk on moral ground, not on political considerations. Injustice is injustice wherever it may happen and by whomever it may be done. I condemn it based on my own assessment and using my own language

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mahmday,

            Just a simple word of advice, why do you have to always jab the opposition when you are trying to justify the failures of the PFDJ.

            “At this stage PFDJ would be more believable if it talked about reforming itself than if the opposition talked about reforming itself. Because PFDJ has not talked about reforming itself, but the opposition has been talking about its failures but could not figure out how to remediate it. It is that bad my friend. ”

            Yes we critcise them for the failures but honestly, how can you measure them in the same weight at the government. Let’s look at all the opposition in our part of the world, Niageria, Somalia, Lybia, Syria etc…for 25 or more years they have put up with abuse of the PFDJ. They all left their homes and their families to bring freedom and independence just like all EPLF fighters. And for that they were condemned to live in exile, by the alliance of EPLF and TPLF.

            It’s not easy to be an opposition when you are scattered around the world, when you have time to help bring food to the table to feed your family, when you are condemned never to return to your country and when you have no budget, no money and no support to organize.

            They are not afraid of dying, they did that way before the EPLF/PFDJ members. but clearly what they do NOT want to do is, create CIVIL war and KILL their own people.

            Less that, I think they are doing what the can, and they are NOT asking for anything in return. They did not SAY we are going to rule Eritrea and they did NOT say we have the right to rule Eritrea. All they are asking is, that they wanted democratic process to take place and let the rule of law take supreme and if the people give them the mandate to rule, they will gladly take over. Is how things suppose to work….

            More than anyone else, they probably know that their methods will NOT make the change we all need. They are NOT stupid they know very well, and what they are doing, I think for the most part is to clear their concise and follow the pledge they have made, unlike those “killers” who forget the pledge they made for their fallen hero’s.

            The opposition that I know are the Amanuel Hidrat, the Kokeb Selam the Ismael and many, and many more. Hands down if they are given equal opportunity they will defeat the PFDJ, and no doubt about that.

            Go ahead and reform your deal “EPLF/PFDJ” but leave the “opposition” alone. They do NOT owe you anything.

            ሓሰኻ ደንበስ አበ ዝለምለመሉ

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Nice!. Also, let me add that what MS said that PFDJ never said they will reform, False!!, what does it mean we will drat the const. what does it mean we ratified const, what does it mean will reduce NS to 18 month, what does it to mean to issue the press proclaimation, what does it mean to draft the multy party system that Sherifo was in charge for a shsort time?they all mean will REFORM and they never kept any of that.
            The opposition never said they will reform , there is nothing to reform, they are for freedom and liberty and that cannot be reformed. yes they are incompetent and failed and that is nto crime. But PFDJ’s is not a failure, they never tried to bring liberty since 1991 they enslaved the people, the freedom fighters and the youth, they murdered the everyone until they got accused of crimes against humanity, not according to CoI, but according to Eritreans. There is no gray area here. The terms of reference for CoI was 1991 and Eritreans were telling us that before CoI came to the piciture, just on the wake of the independence when people dancing their heads off, Eritreas were murdered, tortured and kidnapped and I am delighted that the word has known about the thugs that came wrapped in the independence garb. The opposition are not accused with anything, for sure Eritreanss are not happy about their incompetence but MS and others want to make it about the opposition, when we talk about liberty and justice , disappearance, killing, murder and toruture, it is PFDJ that is accused of all these and if the ICC thing materials, it will be PFDJ that will stand trial and the Eritreans who were interviewed did not testify that the opposition tortured and raped them
            If the discussion is how the we failed to defeat PFDJ given its crime, the impotence of the opposition can be talked about. It is hard pill to swallow when the so called leaders of freedom fighters are accused of crimes against humanity by Eritrean with emotional and physical scars. Period!
            And there is also this absurdity: the 45,000 petitions in support of the government, from diaspora who left before independence, they can support all they want, they can bring 1000,000 petitions, they cannot disprove that the crimes against the people who said it happened to them. This is not a number game, there are millions who can write petitions in support of Albashire and he did not murdere millions, he killed 250,000 Darfurian, in a deliberate and widespread and systematic nature with full knowledge to the crimes, so the 800 Eritreans said it happened to them, some were raped, some tortured, some shot at and , the 45,000 cannot say it did not happen to these people and they are irrelevant, and it does not taint the validity of the report.
            Long before CoI, Helen Berehane, the gospel singer testified to that effect and there are hundreds like her.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam BY
            My friend look yourself up in the mirror, do some cosmetics and then lecture me about the opposition. “Leave the opposition alone”(!!!!!) laughable. Self-appointed gatekeeper. Thanks, though. When I talk about opposition the likes of you are not under my radar, my friend.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Mahmuday,

            Your statement below, will answer to the “persistent question” you have been asking me to prove it, when I somehow hinted you that you have the tendency of PFDJites.

            “At this stage PFDJ would be more believable if it talked about reforming itself than if the opposition talked about reforming itself.”

            Your statement, in short can be framed as “PFDJ is believable than the opposition”. How could one who claims himself part of the opposition camp/justice seekers ( be it organized or unorganized) could say such thing Mahmuday? There is nothing wrong to have a stand with the regime as far as your consciousness dictate you to be so. As far as we keep our civility we can debate as two opposite camp, pro and against PFDJ. Be comfortable in your camp as we are comfortable in our camp. Once you stood against COI and favored PFDJ position, you couldn’t claim that you are from justice seekers.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            I hope you don’t mind me using to have ny jimla response to you , iSem and Berhe Yeman.

            Are you at all open to the possibility that one can be totally opposed to the rule of PIA, and his party while, at the same time have the following reactions to the Commission of Inquiry:

            1. Totally supportive
            2. Tentative support
            3. Totally opposed

            Are you aware that there are Eritreans who have been victimized by the Gov of Eritrea but who want nothing to do with CoIE?

            I think the wise thing to do is to ask Eritreans “why” instead of creating yet another GeorgeBushian “you are either with us or against us.”

            Mahmud Saleh is a strong asset to the cause of the opposition. I would go even further an say that he is an indispensable part of the opposition. I expect the hard push-back from my bad cousin iSem; it surprises me when it comes from BY, and it positively shocks me when it comes from you.

            If you recall, Ghezae and I had a long discussion about CoIE. You can put him in the totally-support category and you can put me in the tentative-support category.

            Remember, the more you push Mahmuday, the more he will push back. You should recognize it: It is a Tegadalai Eritrawi thing. This approach you are using is NOT the way to convince, persuade and win over people.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            We go back, way back during the EHRAG time (the only acronym that I can still spell and pronounce correctly other than PFDJ) and I was actively perusing and alerting the international human right organization as well as the UN in alerting the crimes being committed against Eritreans.

            Although I support everything iSem and AH say in response to MS article with regards to the CoIE, I have actually never commented. pm what he said. My comment was on his constant jab, blame the opposition group who have actually nothing to do with crimes being prepetrated by EPLF and PFDJ government of Isayas Afeworki.

            Of the categories you have put, I really do NOT think that all Eritreans have the same stake in what they think about CoiE. To be honest the only people that matter are those who are victims of the PFDJ regime, the rest do NOT actually matter what they think if you ask me.

            I would be hard pressed to find a single individual let alone a group of people who are first hand victims of the PFDJ government who would oppose the report of CoI and any action the UN takes.

            As iSem has eloquently being saying…it’s not about all Eritreans, but it’s about the Eritrean victims who are wronged by the PFDJ junta called government. And it’s not Eritrea and the Eritrean people who are in trail here, but the selected criminals..really if anyone who oppose the action of CoI in defense of these criminals, all I can say is, they are just selfish sympathizers of teh regime who do not have any close family members who are victims.

            If they are saying, we are going to bring justice ourselves,I can say is “TsEda yigberelom”.

            Personally I could never have thought this day would come going back 12 or so years ago.

            As to MS and his asset to the opposition, I really thought so when I read his letter to wedi gerahtu. But I really doubt now, as I have been reading his long hateta for sometime.

            I don’t thing it’s an Eritrean thing but I think he is baptized with the “privileged” life of EPLF tegadelti. They think they are entitled to rule over Eritrea for eternity and anyone who question let alone oppose them, they are first to label names as they have done for their existence. Ama, Haredit, Hamushay MesriE, Weyane, and our own MS has baptized so many people with so many names in his short stay…everyone who slightly do not agree with him is “first weyane stooge” and then “apologize” and he will do it again and “apologize”…

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat BY:

            I will make it quick so I don’t flood this forum with multiple threads. I will present it in the form of a question:

            A. Take the number of submissions that the COIE received from Eritreans with horror stories.

            B. Take the number of Eritreans in exile, most of whom have been, one way or another, victimized by the Eritrean regime.

            If you agree with me that the number in A above is far far less than B, what do you think are the reasons and is one of them the reason I gave?

            Saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            With all due respect I don’t think it’s any of the reason that you gave. I do believe the number is less because of a lot other reasons. For example:

            1) Victims are not always willing to testify for one reason or another. Even in the western nations, rape and sexual abused victims do not report / or willing to testify due many reason. stigma, social circles, etc.

            2) Going through testifying against the PFDJ can entail a lot of long term / and short term consequence that the victims are not willing to subject themselves. May be want to visit family back home, may be they want bring family member, may be afraid of consequences that follow even if they have the assurance of the HRW.

            3) Lack of knowledge of the process and lack of it’s significance in believing change / justice will be served. I don’t think the victims are not aware of the legal consequence, that they are willing to use the tool to get justice at the PFDJ. They can use a lot of recent example, like the victims in Syria, Egypt, Iraq or Somalia that with all the blood shed that the UN can’t do much about it.

            4) Not enough campaign and enough resources have been utilized to spread the news. Those who did, done a lot with limited resources.

            5) Not enough information / news has been spread to mobilize people to come forward.

            6) People may have already moved on..with their lives and they don’t want to visit that chapter and they are doing their things to make ends meet. Responsibility of family, kids, school, work etc…

            I think, for me if we see the PFDJ is send to the ICC and the outrage (other than the yPFDJ and their sympathizers) I doubt there will be a lot of people would cry about it.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi Good Cousin Sal

            Yes, you are right there are many Eritreans who were victimized yet they have nothing to do with CoI, they oppose it and we have a name for them, don’t we? Actually some smart Mzungu found it somewhere in Europe, to be exact in Sweden, in Stockholom to be precise

            How come you are under the tentative supporter? Tentative means: hesitant, uncertain, shaky, may change in the future. Last time I told you let us do “efftar” tentatively on June 23, which means subject to confirmation or cancellations.
            So, are you saying you may change your support, either to totally opposed or totally supportive, pending more evidence or lack of it?

          • saay7

            Bad, bad iSem:

            No, a person who has been victimized by the Eritrean regime and still has reservations about COIE does not necessarily suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. He or she may have the following concern:

            “I have been made totally powerless. And I don’t ever want to make myself totally powerless or insignifant — I want to be THE change agent and not a sidekick to the change agent. ”

            You should tell and show such persons how to remain behind the steering wheel instead of insulting them as anti-change.

            Saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            I tentatively agree with this commnet:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            CIO is the outcome of hard working Eritreans, who brought the ” human right abuse in our nation” to the attention of international community. God bless them, and for sure they will live in the heart of their country men and women. Now there is no plausible reasons to oppose the CIO report if we are on the side of the abused Eritreans. And sometime it is necessary to speak honestly and straight forward in order to frame the debate of opposites and their clear positions in order the public to make an informed decisions in the politics of their nation. Debaters debate to sell their ideas not to persuade their opponents.

            Look brother when I debate with you or Mahmuday or anyone for that matter, I am not debating to persuade or convince you or anyone , but to make my point to the listeners or those who follows the debate. Mahmuday and his teamates have already their own made or concieved ideas and beliefs, and they are promoting them as we speak. So as a debater I do not have any qualms on Mahmuday’s position. My job is to make clear my positions and his positions so the public to make an informed judgements. That is all.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            You can make your points without asserting that those who disagree with you are not opposed to the government but are stealthily supporting the government. Whether you know it or not, when you do that, you are debating in bad faith: you are calling those who disagree with you frauds and dishonest people. As you know, in debates that’s called an ad hominem attack which invites a counter ad hominem. I regret that Mahmud Saleh now feels compelled to do that and talk about patrons and Weyane etc, with his own GeorgeBushian you either agree with him or you don’t honor those who fell for Eritrea.

            Saay

          • Hope

            Selam SAAY:
            OMG,or shall I say Jesus Lord,bless this guy?
            And that is why I LOVE you both guys and besides being your student,irrespective of my “flip-floppiness” and few disagreements with both of you*!
            You*=SAAY and Mahmud.
            No bias or prejudice here but expressing solidarity with Truth and Honesty.

          • ghezaehagos

            Sal dear,

            I don’t agree with COI-E fully.

            Given the wealth of testimonies they had, they should have reached a conclusion that crime against humanity has been last June 2015. They had the mandate and the wherewithal. In a way, this year was a waste, giving the normally lethargic Eritrean leaders to lie, intimidate and confuse its gullible Diaspora.

            So, you see, I have my own reservation too. 🙂
            G.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            Welcome back, and your reservations duly noted. But of course I respectfully disagree.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma
            I’m fine with you. I know your heart. I’m very comfortable in my own camp my friend. As a matter of fact, I am writing about “The Camp”, a third installment is coming which will deal about this same question. Stay tuned, and I will remind you when it’s up. But I will keep doing my thing and that’s provoking …ምእንቲ መጎጎ ትሕለፍ ኣንጭዋ የለን። By definition I’m the opposition, Emma. We the people who broke away from the status quo are the real opposition, because the act of breaking away from PFDJ itself is self-evident. Our objective could not be organizational grudges but correcting what has gone wrong. Now, take that to the cafe and chime on it.
            I have been subjected to such aggressive attacks because you I refused to surrender my independence. I refused to see things through the prism you guys see them. Let that be clear. For instance, I’m told to take COI report as it is. I specified where I would be willing to support it and where I totally disagree. If I don’t agree on categorizing our young defense force as slaves, that does not mean I condone abuses that took place there. It’s clear in my comments and in the articles I write. The reason why I say our national service heroes are not slaves is because they are not. We have burred 18 heroes who fell defending their homeland in the last clashes with your patrons while you guys were volunteering in giving Ethiopia excuses it did not ask for and rationalizations it never demanded. It’s a bully and a bully does not need excuses. Good luck. Some deluded Individuals may talk about the opposition as if they own it, an opposition that they have no clue about. But you know the reality my fried. You have swam in that turbulent sea for a while now. Only experts like you know the ins and outs of this colossal, formless and hollow being we call opposition. Deep in your heart, you must agree with me. Because there is no better expert in the business of the opposition. You know how detached it has become to the extent it could not figure out how to respond to the last clashes between two countries. You know that I’m saying the truth, but you perfected ምእንቲ መጎጎ ትሕለፍ ኣንጭ። But it’s the politics stupid.
            By the way, you can’t possibly make me change my position. I will do it when I feel it is the right thing to do so.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            According our friend Mahmuday, slavery is considred only when they are sold from one slave owner to anther – the classical slave ownership. He never failed to remind us about neo-colonialism and neo-conservatism, or all the “neos,” but when it comes to neo-slavery (modren slavery) he become one of the deniers, for the reasons we know all of us. Him and his team will fight COIE by all means to keep our young under the serfdom of the generals and the party.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Hope,

    So you state that political prisoners should be released not as a matter of principle of justice but to “calm down Saay”?

    • Hope

      Ahlen Ya Ustazna SGJ:
      Let us avoid reading unwritten stuff and misquoting each other.
      The term” UNCONDIONALL” should address and answers your concern and question. Haven’t I said this a million times that the
      head should either go or do the right thing before too late and it hits him badly-the Ghedafi style ?
      To be clear though:
      What I meant was that Mahmud’s list should have included what I said so as the list would make saay happy.
      Makes sense, Sir?
      Remember that almost every Eritrean Family -that I know at least, is a victim as SAAY is when it comes to the Crimes against Humanity.

  • PTS

    SAAY,
    That article was linked by Presidential spox in Twitter, which makes it semi-official. For me, all articles posted are official or semi-official. During the anti G-15 campaign, the regime’s papers were full of defamatory articles authored by names that suddenly appeared and latter suddenly disappeared after the G-15 were silenced. This is to say the regime’s track record speaks for itself in this regard, and I can confidently conclude that all commentaries are official with official signatures OR official with or un- official signatures (pen names). If you read the article at hand, there isn’t anything the regime would disagree with. Also, is the name familiar? Are there other articles by him, or is he debuting?

  • አዲስ

    Hi Hope,

    Thanks for the welcome.

    I am following the news from a far and I think especially #OromoProtest is widely reported so I don’t have much to add except the Ethiopian Human Rights Council called the government response “proportional”, which for any clear and rational thinking person is a very sad conclusion but no surprise there.

    I don’t know about CIA, UNHRC and Susan Rice blessing of anything.

    Thanks,
    Addis

    • Yoty Topy

      Addisye,
      Nice to see you here. Sorry to see you so awfully dismayed that the ዋርካ movement did not live up to its potential:-if there was any ! It seems like it is going through the usual news cycle: First , eSAT and co. will claim ‘the sky is falling’; sheeples such as yourself and others in this forum with a chip on their shoulder would echo the same ኣሉባልታ; HRC would make noise; the world would then place these grievances in the scheme of things .i,e in the warped up world we live in protesting against the expansion of a metropolis , which has been a prisoner of geopolitics isn’t really that a big of deal; move on to the next story.

      • አዲስ

        Hi Yoty ,

        That was a warm welcome 🙂

        Leaving your diatribe and name calling aside, are you saying that the government response of killing protesters is proportional?

        BTW I never heard of the term ‘ዋርካ movement’. Is that supposed to be derogatory to the Oromos by the way of the Odda on the flag? I didn’t get it.

        Thanks,
        Addis

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi Addis,

          No, I coined that up 🙂 There is nothing derogatory about the ‘ዋርካ movement’ reference. Ask any Oromo and would proudly acknowledge to you the importance of the tree in their culture. So, it is an isolated movement [I think I might have over crowned it by calling it a ‘movement’ , the more apt word should be ‘unrest’ ] as yourself have hashtagged it ‘Oromoprotest’ there is no sinister thought on my part if I associated it with ዋርካ tree . My point here is that, it lacks wide appeal. And if the protesters think that they have being wronged by EPRDF, who hasn’t ? get in line! The Eritreans hate them (Most), The Amaras couldn’t stand them; The Oromos despise them; Even the Somalis differentiate them by name in stead of the usual Imperial Ethiopia expansion stuff.

          But back to your question: ‘.. are you saying that the government response of killing protesters is proportional?’ No, I do not think that was ‘proportional’ response by the government , although most of the protestors activities weren’t all that innocent either. They burnt buildings; robbed shops/banks and put on road blockades. But, that’s besides the point. Back to you question;Yes, in more mature democracies this type of civil-disobedience wouldn’t have necessitated that kind of harsh response but this is not a democracy [I know the party has the word ‘democratic’ in its name but it is fair to say that one would be fool not to sleep with one eye open around them:)]
          So the appropriate question you should ask is why did the diaspora dissidents condemned these innocent people to death? You couldn’t tell me that this was a locally hatched unrest? I think the diaspora dissidents have blood in their hands as well as the government for inciting these people via social media under false pretenses. It is foolish to incite people to go against a government that is not shy to shoot even if they have a just cause. I am all for free speech and all that but this is the not the way to go about it.
          So the question is not really ‘was it proportional?’ but rather ‘what should have the government done to bring order to the restive areas , which were clearly being inflamed by diaspora agents.

          • Guest

            Dear yoty you guys don’t got it?the problem is the presence of tplf in somebody’s land to loot . The solution is evacuate and back to your land so all of us will be the master of our destiny in our own land and if you have hard time to survive b/c of resource or anything we can help each other as Ethiopian . No body bothers you in your land .

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi guest ,

            You seem to be under the impression that running a state is almost like የ ልጅ’ቃ’ቃ ጨዎታ.It doesn’t work that way mate. I believe that instead of trying to accommodate to the lowest common denominator sentiment such is yours ,the sensible thing to do here is to encourage every one pull their resources according to their strength for the betterment of the nation. The land belongs to all citizens! Please , do away with this small ‘ኣስተሳስብህ’

          • Guest

            Dear yoty
            I think you don’t have any clue about ethiopia’s constitution the land belongs to the kililes not all citizens . 2nd , ethiopia’s business is not just upto tplf( they dont even love ethiopia) it is about all people’s of ethiopia. Tplf can contribute if they want theirs share 5% as they are 5 % of ethiopia according to the constitution.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Guest,
            Not according to article 40(3) of the constitution which stipulates:
            ‘The right to ownership of rural and urban land, as well as of all natural resources, is exclusively vested in the State and the peoples of Ethiopia. Land is a common property of the NNPE and shall not be subject to sale or to other means of exchange.’
            As whether TPLF loves Ethiopia or not, all I have to say to you in the word of Tina Turner is, ‘What’s love to go do with it!’

          • አዲስ

            Hi Yoty,

            There’s a lot to unpack here and I feel like you are allover the place. But to avoid the risk of being out of topic here, What do you say if we put a pin on it and discuss at another time in its own proper thread?

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Addis,
            i was saying that you are wrong; I am right. Sure, we can do that:)

      • Home

        OMG YY:
        Are you saying that those lives are NOT lives?

        • Yoty Topy

          Hello Hommy:)
          Don’t be a drama queen:) That’s not what I am saying. Please see my response to Addis.

    • Hope

      Addis:
      By ” Blessing” I meant ignoring the TPLF atrocities as if they never happened/giving a deaf ear and a blind eye.
      Abi should help with that,who calls, at times, the spade, a spade.

  • iSem

    Selam, Selam, Selam All:
    The Eritrean People vs. The Government of Eritrea: It Did Not Have to Be This Way

    The scathing report by the CoIE last year served to elevate the mandate of the “three” person panel to look into crimes against humanity with full view of accountability. Almost a year to date the same three panel person found grounds for crimes against humanity perpetuated by the government of Eritrea.
    Although the accused used the number “three” derisively and tried to frame the report as the mere opinions of these three distinguished people and not a UN report. The distinguished accolade is mine and not of the accused. But the fact that the panel is independent, a non-UN staff means it is less biased, they do not have to look over their shoulders to protect their careers or appease any one. It is my believe that their report is more independent that if it was by a UN staff. But we an even go further and assert that the report does not even belong to the three-person panel, it belongs to the Eritreans who came forward to give their testimonies, their first hand testimonies of the torture, rape they have endured, murders they have witnessed, disappearances they have lived through. This report is the culmination of twenty-five years of suffering, appeals by elders, by families whose loved ones have vanished without trace, by underage children who were infants when their fathers were snatched from the warmth of their bosoms, never to return again. Meaza Petros Solomon and the daughter of Seyoum Tsehaye spring to mind. These are just two well-known examples, but there are thousands of similar stories. In the UN that generally moves in a snail speed Eritreans should celebrate this report albeit its tardiness for recommending among many things the referring of some the officials to the ICC to answer for their comes against humanity.
    The accused, the government of Eritrea is right on one count and it is this: this report is not a UN report. It is the report of Eritreans, the CoI offered a per bono services to document, corroborate, verify from 800 Eritreans who gave testimonies from 13 countries
    The G-15 appeal ended in disppreance, the elders mediating role ended in jails, the chief justice’s call for the judiciary to be independent from the interference by the president’s office ended in sacking, even the mild criticism of Idris Abba Are regarding the language policy ended up in his diappreance. The calls of the loved ones who perished in Lampedusa in October 2013 ended up in deaf ears. Do I need to go further? The point is the Eritrean government does not listen, never has listened to the sober, measured, fair appeals of the Eritrean people, so our fellow human beings, our roommates in this planet intervened to speak on our behalf. The UN is not this mystic organization, it a collection of almost all countries, and Eritrea is a member of the UN, it is an entity composed of dictators, democrats, left wingers and right wingers. My personal option is to create an anther organization of civilized nations and there should be some deliverable parameters for a country to be upgraded to this august body of d-UN, Democratic United Nations, or the League of Democratic Countries. Maybe the Mo Ibrahim foundation can be used as bench mark for the elevation of status, making it a badge of honor to be admitted to the civilized d-UN. But I digress.

    For now, we have good old and pedestrian UN that includes Eritrea, which is accused of crimes against humanity
    The 2016 report is our report, it is the report of Aster Fessahzion who died wailing in Ela-Ero, it is the report by the wailing of the young, of the frail, of the elderly in Karchelli that Pilot Dejen passionately intimated to us. It is the report of all the teenagers who are raped by the officials, it is a report by those who were murdered and buried in mass graves. In short it is the report of all Eritreans who suffered under the brutal regime. The CoI only aggregated curated testimonies, translated it to the language of the UN, English and the HRC will weigh in next week. When that hurdle is crossed, the SC will weigh in some times this year. The accused will never admit that the report is by the Eritrean people, but questions is at what point does the GoE admit that it is a UN report, when the HRC votes in favour of the report or when the SC votes to refer them to ICC.?
    Just For Fun

    The accused keeps harping about the number “Three” to dilute the report, but even if the panel was composed of hundred persons, they would have called it a hundred-person panel, they are forgetting the magic of “Three”. There is a reason real estate agents do nots say, Location, Location, Location, Location or Location, Location.!
    The Christians say: Father, Son, Holly Ghost. The Muslims say divorce you with Three, Divorce, Divorce, Divorce!
    The ancients discovered the magic of three in rhetoric, mentioning something three times sounds good to the human ear. It is called Tricolon
    It is an Eritrean Report, it is an Eritrean Report, it is an Eritrean Repot!

    Thank You Sheila, Thank you James, Thank you Victor!

  • Hope

    The SEMG then the COIE then,finally:
    The CIA directly deployiong weapons near Eritrea border:
    Glen Ford is riht ,josef:
    http://www.shabait.com/Press Statement

    • haileTG

      Selam Hope,

      Be careful of grammatical confusions when you read Shabait. I think you’re better off waiting for the Tigrinya version first. The Shabait release states;

      “Eritrea is aware of Washington’s instigation not only of the attack against Eritrea that the TPLF launched last Sunday, June 12, 2016 but also in its deployment of weapons along the border for a much expanded offensive. “

      However, the Tigrinya version states that it is TPLF that has advanced its weapons at the border through Washington’s push. What they wanted to say above is:

      “Eritrea is aware of Washington’s instigation not only of the attack against Eritrea that the TPLF launched last Sunday, June 12, 2016 but also in its TPLF’s deployment of weapons along the border for a much expanded offensive. “

      • Hope

        HahahaHailat:
        Fully aware!

        Was politicizing it purposely but thought the CIA is arming thE TPLF directly and directly !
        Hint:
        Some left over and obsolete Weapons from the Iraq War were handed over to the TPLF.

      • saay7

        Hailat:

        I just read the Gov of Eritreas response to COIE and I was overwhelmed with a frequent thought I have: how are these people in charge? I was going to write a detailed response but I got disheartened at the level of imbecility. How imbecilic? Let’s see:

        Supposing that an Eritrean, let’s call him Yemane, has 10 children. Two of them migrated. They are now in a refugee camp that holds 100 people and they are the only Eritreans.

        Now, what is the percentage of children Yemane lost to migration?

        According to anyone who has taken algebra, it is 2/10 that is 20%.

        According to shabait math it is 2/100, that is 2%

        Also, remember how Yemane Gebreab was asking by the journalist at his press conference what’s Eritreas population and he said its under 4 million? That is sooo last week. The population has jumped by 2.5 million in one week: it’s now 6.5 million.

        Read and weep:

        http://www.shabait.com/categoryblog/22029-eritrea-exposing-the-coies-factual-errors-and-deliberate-mistakes

        saay

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Ahlan Ya Ustaz

          Our government’s response is coming soon. It just happens to take more time these days to pack and load the tortoise (abagobye), and then to walk it all the way to Geneva. You know the camel has retired and that’s why we are in trouble.

          Can we take any one that’s written on Awate as representing Awate? That article is written by Omer Abdelkerim, and I don’t know if you could establish that Omer Abdelkerim represents the Eritrean government. That’s just to keep the TBS tradition. Omer is taking just a point out of many and trying to give it a shot. COIE reports:
          “[T]he fact that there is no similar exodus from other economically deprived states that are not in a state of armed conflict, the Commission concludes that economic reasons alone cannot be the driving force behind the large scale flight from the country”
          And Omer is using whatever data he has got. I don’t think anyone has got an accurate data at this point. I may add:
          1. Economic hardship the main drive (push factor)
          causes:
          a. the government’s economic policies
          b. The government’s foreign policies which put Eritrea at odd with international community for a very along period of time emboldening Wayane to pretty much own the field…
          2. The endless National Service resulting from 1.a&b above (push factor)
          3. The luring of young population through the networks of traffickers and blood traders; a lot of scums have made money out of it; a lot of individuals have made carriers and “expertise” out of it, and the plight of our young people still continues. Europe’s automatic granting of asylum to Eritreans exacerbated the situation.
          The damage has been so extensive that it will take at least a generation or two to reverse the psychological impact on our people. Pick any family drama/movie made in Eritrea and you will similar plots
          a. born into poverty
          b. life surprises the main character with some sort of migration (routes)
          c. you see the impact of the person’s emigration on his/her family (improved livelihood, social prestige…)
          The point: Today’s young people will need more than slogans, it needs opportunities. And it will follow the global wind, drifting with and in it as far as it carries it. Meanwhile: IA and PFDJ keep doing what they do best. Mekete.
          Mahmuday solution:
          1. Encourage EU and others funds, push the international bodies to hold the government accountable for every dollar it gives (that it should create opportunities for our young people)
          2. Encourage the international community to be aware that its policy of appeasing Ethiopia has so far failed to coerce Eritrea into bending. Being fair would actually pay back the international community more.
          Just my late night 2 cent worth Hateta.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I do not want to provoke you on Romedan days. But allow me to tell you my impression to your comment: it looks a product of team work. It also reminds me the tactics of GoE during the destructive border war, when were challenged (those of us who opposed the war) by similar team to justify the war was a “just war “. I can ‘t forget those days. The current team of writers or commentators are trying to justify the correctness of the policy of the regime in regard of human right and international relations.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma
            Please stay away from speculations you would regret you made. If there is a team of writers, Mahmuday is not part of it. I hope you trust I mean what I say. I also believe you know me better than most people. I will let you know Emma if I’m part of any team. Simply note that it is my own comment and dawitom, Nitrickay, Hope….Peace…Ghehteb or bxaay Yemane Gebreab, or even kboor brezidant bxaay IA…are not responsible of any errors I may make.
            Coming to border war: I want to refresh your mind that I’m against war.That means if my country makes a wrong move I will stand against it, but I’m not willing to collaborate with its enemy. If on the contrary an enemy makes an act of aggression against my country, I will stand with my government. That much should be clear. My stand on the last border war followed this principle.
            Now, would you please name the writers by name? For instance the article SAAY assigned as a response of the government was written by an individual. What’s interesting is this: by the same token would I be justified to categorize individuals, organizations and media outlets who volunteered giving excuses to Ethiopia’s latest aggression as wayane’s team writers? Well, brother, it’s too early but the battle lines have been aligned God fobid if another conflict erupts. I will never give excuses, or support (be it moral or material) to a foreign invader. This is just to give you principles that govern my comments.
            I totally agree with Hope on the following:
            1. All victims of political repression including those who have been incommunicado (politicians and private citizens) need to be released because their basic rights have already been tramped upon even by Eritrean laws. I leave that to the experts, but according to the laws of the country I live in, any court would simply dismiss the cases of those individuals because of the rules of detention.
            2. Any future proceedings would follow strict legal procedures in a legal system that would observe minimum justice standards.
            3. All crimes and abuses should be investigated by independent Eritrean commission of inquiry consisting of experts, religious leaders, and elderly figures.
            4. Political openness which would include inviting Semere Andom to run for parliament; and Hayat Adem campaign for “back to the past” slogan” wede enatachen EtioPia, wede Huala hid!! qegn…gra…qegn…gra…qegn…gra…..” I miss Hayat.
            Then comes the reconciliation…retribution (hopefully very few)….process. Then comes mapping out the road forward…including regional and international game book….That comes only through domestic process my friend, or through creating a an independent, responsible and potent united front which has been illusive, to say the least. The current adventure of Ethiopia and the way the opposition handled it shows that the opposition is yet to do its homework.
            I know, for some this is an arduous process. But that’s what we have in our short list inventory. The rest are adventures by people who have no clue what a social unrest entails…what a power vacuum entails. Any power that is imposed or is perceived by Eritreans as is imposed by foreign powers- an intrusion by TPLF led Ethiopia would be the most destructive and consequential which would certainly lead to a protracted civil war- is not going to hold the country secured. It’s akin to power vacuum simply because the majority of Eritreans will reject it.
            That’s this morning’s Hateta. I repeat, it’s not a team’s work.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Mahmuday,

            No question that I will stand corrected, if it has proved otherwise. And I will not feel guilty for wrong assessment, if it has proved to be so. In any case, there are many indicators to my assessments, and let every awatistas do their own assessment.

            regard
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • iSem

            Hi Mahmuday and Emma:
            MS, I see that my running for parliament is giving you a kick an wondering, abbey nerrom eyom?
            But I cannot wait to stand on my feet and filibuster the motion for those who have nostalgia for PFDJ, Sal Y once, 14 years ago filibuster a game that old men play, oh Sal we go that memory again:-)
            But by then I will be old and playing the fame.
            Mahmud you should not listen to the filibuster egil titiayen tu:-)

          • Erimias K

            Mahmud Saleh
            Thanks for the balanced reply. Unfortunately, it has been a longtime since saay has been resorting to such silly nattering. I suspect saay’s problem is that he did not appreciate Omar’s “comparative approach” which exposes a serious error on COIE & others assertion that population migration % is correlates with human right abuse. There is a large body of literature that supports Omar’s contentions.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ermias:

            I don’t think it is “silly nattering” to argue that a government that doesn’t publish any reports, including something as fundamental as census, does not have much credibility to argue with numbers. And here’s why:

            1) We all know rates–whether they are migration rate, unemployment rate, growth rate, inflation rate, literacy rate, maternal mortality rate, etc–are a numerator over a denominator.

            2) Eritrean officials have mystified Eritrea’s population. They have done this by omission and commission. Omission is when they do not correct their partners, like the AfDB (African Development Bank) and UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) to say that Eritrea’s population is 6.3 million* And Commission when Eritrea’s Statistical Office tells the world Eritrea’s population is 3.5 million per the agreement signed with Europe’s Development Fund just last November**

            3) In its report, CoIE relied on the 3.5 million population because, after all, it came from Eritrea’s Statistical Office. Furthermore, in his press conference in Geneva, Yemane Gebreab was asked this question directly and he said Eritrea’s population is less than 4 million. Finally, Atlantic Council’s Bronwyn Bruton, who talks to senior Eritrean government officials regularly and has emerged as their Apologist In Chief, said this:

            There has been a lot of talk about how Eritrea, a nation of 3.5 million people, loses 60,000 people a year to migration, which must be proof in itself that terrible human rights abuses are taking place there. However, Puerto Rico is also a territory of 3.5 million people, and it loses 50,000 people a year because of the economic crisis it faces.

            4) So, the denominator is deliberately fogged up by the Gov of Eritrea, it goes up and down like an accordion to serve whatever political purpose can be served at any given time. So the author of the Shabait article was part of this fogging process. Worse: his mock outrage at CoIE for minimizing the population of Eritrea is either ill-informed (because that number is the one given by Yemane, Eritrea’s Statistics Office, and Yemanes latest Mzungu, Bruton) or it’s part of the deliberate misinformation (let’s call it The Hand and The Spoon in honor of a Tigrinya proverb “kwiEyeka bmanka kzHleka b’idka”) campaign.

            5) That takes care of the denominator. Now let’s deal with the numerator. Of the 444,000 plus refugees and asylum-seekers who claim they are Eritreans what percentage are Eritreans and what percentage are Ethiopians, Sudanese, Somalis pretending to be Eritreans? How about of the 47,025 who applied for political asylum in 2015? How about of the hundreds who drowned in the Mediterranean while trying to cross? How about of the unknown number who never register with UNHCR? Well, this, too, is just a percentage the Government pulls from anywhere. It is 35%, no it is 40%, no it is 65%. Where do they come up with these numbers? Do they have a sample size of Eritreans in Germany? In North America? Where do they come up with these random numbers of what percentage of the asylum seekers are not Eritreans? What percentage of Eritreans who ask for asylum actually end up returning to Eritrea? It is all just anecdotes, stories, with no statical methodology used.

            6) But here’s where it is all futile for them. EVEN if you expand the denominator (you use the 6.3 million for Eritrea’s population for the denominator) and shrink the numerator (you say of the 440,000 migrants only half are Eritreans), you are still talking, on a per 100,000 population, a country which is not at war and has the largest migrant population. You can dig and dig and you won’t find a comparable one. the Shabait article mentioned Mali? Its population is 15 million. Ethiopia? Its 90 million. Sudan? 38 million. Somalia? 12 million. Beyond the numbers, there are also cases unique to Eritrea: unaccompanied minors migrating. Do we have that from Mali to the extent we do? So what’s the point of all these summersaults? I mean who can it possibly fool? The statisticians in Europe? Or, the mekete Eritreans who sign whatever form is put in front of them as long as it has a picture of a camel on the header and “Awet nHafash” on the footer?

            7) In fact, this kind of manipulation gets people to doubt everything. For example, CoIE says what Haile TG has been saying here whenever MDG reports are bragged about: you cannot rely on self-reported numbers when there is no mechanism (internal or external) for validating the numbers.

            8) So, Ermias, by all means, please share the “large body of literature that supports Omar’s contentions.”

            9) Finally, as I said before, I actually thought Omar’s contentions were official Shabait contentions because (a) I didn’t know shabait hosted articles and (b) the title of the article sounds exactly like the two official responses Gov of Eritrea sent CoIE last year.

            saay

            Sources:

            * http://www.afdb.org/en/countries/east-africa/eritrea/
            * http://www.er.undp.org/content/eritrea/en/home/countryinfo/
            ** http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/eritrea/documents/projects/eritrea_national_indicative_programme_2014-2020_en.pdf
            ***http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/what-the-un-gets-wrong-about-rights-in-eritrea

          • Erimias K

            SAAY,

            When I first reacted I was reacting to the silliness of your “2/10 is 20%.” And according to shabait math it is 2/100, that is 2%.”

            Tragically, however, you went on to produce even worse rant. You produced so much verbiage without really challenging the contentions of Omar’s article. That is, what COIE says is wrong when it said, “there is no similar exodus from other economically deprived states”.

            It does not matter which denominator one uses Omar’s contention still holds. My objective, unlike yours, is to understand the actual case and not to score a propaganda point. For so long we have been told that there is no comparable outflow of migration to Eritrea’s. Here using both EU & UNHCR data Omar showed that this assertions incorrect.

            SAAY, It appears Omar when using EU data used what EU says is Eritrea’s population and when using UNHCR data he used what UNHCR says is Eritrea’s population. If you are of the opinion that Eritrea has not conducted census then Mike Smith, You or COIE shouldn’t have produce a number out of a hat (ie 3.5 million). Yemane said so is not an objective estimate of Eritrea population. COIE should have used a reputable estimate from UN, World Bank, IMF or some such agencies.

            Even so, even if one uses the approx 4 million population data (as according to Yemane) it does not change Omar’s conclusion. That Kosovo, Albania, Gambia and others that are not in a state of conflict have either produced more migrant than Eritrea on per capita basis and in Kosovo’s case on absolute basis as well (even though its population is smaller than Eritrea), still holds. Just do the math.

            There is also the second assertion of size of Eritrean refugees being 3 to 12%. Even on that point Omar showed using UNHCR data that “Eritrea ranks in the middle of the pack”. Thus Eritrea in this aspect is not a unique case as we have been lead to believe for some many years.

            You have talk about many tangential issues and avoided these central facts of Omar’s article. I suspect as I said earlier your interest is not rooted on what is actual fact, but you are unhappy with a lose of one oft-sited propaganda point against GoE.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ermias:

            well, ok, this is an invitation “kab saEsaEkas teqotsatse”:so here we go:

            1. The exact quote from CoIE was “As of June 2015 UNHCR figures, the global total number of refugees and asylum seekers from Eritrea stood at 444,091(59), about 12 percent of the population of the country (60)”

            The numbers presented parenthetically here were the sources: UNHCR for the number of refugees and asylum seekers; “Eritrean government figures” of 3.6 million for the population of the country.

            Now, what Omer was doing is saying: how dare you use the Eritrean government as a source for Eritrea’s population size. This is absurd, considering that the government now has been repeatedly forced to admit a number it likes to hide (which, in case you forget, was the mission of CoIE to uncover the misdeeds of the government.) Omer goes on to explain how CoIE using the actual number of Eritrea’s population (3.6 million) instead of the fake one (6.3 million) is, and let me quote him here: “The implications and consequences of the COIE’s interpretations, analyses, and conduct hold the potential to detrimentally impact the lives of 6.5 million Eritreans, if not tens of millions more across the Horn of Africa as a whole, for generations to come.”

            How is the CoIE having a detrimental impact on an imaginary number of nearly 3 million Eritreans (6.5 million – 3.6 million) that the Government of Eritrea says don’t exist?

            Even the EuroStat number that Omer quotes to demonstrate that Eritrean refugees and asylum seekers is not extraordinary is using a base population of 6,536,176 for Eritrea. Well, why not 10 million since we are just using estimates? The point is that once the government has committed in writing that its population is 3.5 million, anybody who is doing any due diligence, particularly one who is complaining about shoddy statistics like Omer is cannot keep relying on a bogus denominator.

            But I do look forward to the “large body of scholarship” you claim supports Omer’s arguments. Omer references an article by Sam B (Phantom Refugees)–Sam B an able Awate nHafash polemicist, but a scholar he is not. Can you refer me to any from the large body of scholarship?

            saay

          • Erimias K

            SAAY,

            You are really working yourself into a knot here. You seriously didn’t think I would fail to notice that you are still avoiding the central point of Omar’s article. That is when the COIE says “there is no similar exodus from other economically deprived states” that it is a lie.

            And that assertion holds regardless if you use 3.5 million or 6.5 million for population data. Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia and Gambia will still produce more migrants, or larger exodus, than Eritrea on per capita basis. Do the math yourself and stop twisting about this fact.

            I am sure you did not fail to notice that Omar has stated that he has “taken at face value” COIE’s UNHCR and EU data, even after he acknowledges the deficient of that data, by saying “discrepant emigration figures notwithstanding” that “data here are taken at face value.”

            The same is true for the 3 to 12 percent of Eritreans living outside their countries propaganda that we have been led to believe for so long. Again, regardless if you use 3.5 million or 6.5 million population data for Eritrea, Eritrea is not an exception in this case as well.

            That is the whole point. It doesn’t matter which way you cut it Omar’s assertions hold. I suspect the reason for your dancing around tangential and peripheral matters that you are engaging in (“teqotsatse” zeleKa), I believe is not because you failed to see this point, but more so because you are acutely aware of how it undermines the anti-GoE propaganda.

            And that is where you are I diverge. I am not interested in propaganda scores.

            P.S. on Sam B.’s “Phantom Refugees”, I also am not sure if Sam B. is a scholar or not, but his research and work, you must agree is far more scholarly than your polemics. You are engaging in the “pot calling” the whatever black yada yada….

          • saay7

            Selamat Ermias:

            The best way to deal with this is in an article format where I intend to demonstrate with facts that Omer’s arguments and those of Sam B, and Fikrejesus are based on selective data and disciunting timelines and comparisons of apples with oranges.

            But before I do, please note that I will be using the 3.5 million population baseline of Eritrea (so we don’t go back to PFDJs habitual invention of 3 million Eritreans) and I will use UNHCR numbers who, notwithstanding Sam B, Fikrejesus, and Omer’s protests are the world authority on migration data.

            Meanwhile, I will wait for the wealth of scholarship that you alleged exists which shows that there is nothing exceptional about Eritreas migration.

            Saay

          • Hope

            Selamat Ermias:
            Are they considering the old data of the old ERITREAN Refugees as well?
            If they did,then the “accurate ” % of the ERITREAN Quota should be less than what Omar put down on the table since the actual Reitrean Refugee figure since 2001 is less than 300k ,
            The other parameter the propagandists ignoring when they do the Compate and Contrast,albeit deliberately,is the push and pull factors.
            Worst,the hypocrisy about the COIE is that it never considered,at least as a COURTESY,-again,albeit deliberately,those Push and Pull Factors and the hell Eritrea and ERITREANS and their Gov have gone through,not to mention the real and the perceived threats ;and the illegal sanctions and economic and development sabotages;the Policy of No War No Peace and that of Isolation and Containment.

            And yet or even worse,after putting Eritrea in such a precarious situation to the extent of preventing Eritrea from defending itself as a Sovereign Nation,those hypocrits are accusing Eritrea for being very weak to defend itself!

            The worst of worst hypocrisy of the COIE that its Author,Mike Smith,declared shamelessly that Eritrea is now confirmed to be a ” THREAT” to the International Peace,hence,it should be further punished .

            And that was why the French Joirnalist warned him by telling him that what he said and his biased approach was/ is very DISTURBING!

            Very DISTURBING,indeed!!!

            And I think the same Journalist predicted that such a biased and one-sided approach could lead to War!
            No SANE stranger,let alone ERITREANS ,would support this Evil Agenda.

            Seeking (for)Justice and struggling for a Genuine Justice is one thing but advocating for war and destruction of a struggling Nation for its existence is something else,at least in my opinion.

            Even the worst of the worst hypocrisy is that those hypocrits openly supported that declaration fully knowing the implication of such a dangerous Declaration.

          • tes

            Selam Mahmud, It is shame to see you as an advocate of the brutal regime under a cover of Eritrean government. I was right not to agree with you from the very beginning. tes

      • አዲስ

        Hi haile,

        I am not an expert in the English language but isn’t the word you canceled, ‘its’, clearly refers to TPLF in Shabait’s press release? Thus rendering what you added a duplicate? Or may be you’re just trying to clarify it to Hope? I think it’s a well constructed sentence. The content though…

        Thanks,
        Addis

        P.S. Also checking if I can post here again.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Addis,
          .
          It is great to hear from you. The balance you provided with your point of view was missed.
          .
          Regarding the fuzzy press release, it does its job. Hope and co. will interpret it any which way they want to advance the world vs us mantra. For some of these folks who advance this argument, Ethiopia is too small, they want a bigger worthy enemy like the U.S or the U.N.
          .
          Mr. K.H

          • Guest

            Dear kim
            Saw tera belut rasu meta.unless you are pretender Nobody is talking about you ethiopia they are thalking about tplf your worst enemy who degraded you as comma

          • አዲስ

            Hi Kim,

            Thank you for the welcome.

            The news from our side of Mereb is also fuzzy. It looks like both are gearing up for the inevitable God help us all.

            Thanks,
            Addis

        • haileTG

          Hey Adiss,

          My English was probably the worst many years back, thankfully, it is getting better now though 🙂 I was confused when I first read the release as to whom was supposed to have done the moving of weapons. The Tigrinya version clarified it. So, I thought of helping out my friend Hope as he seemed to have been saying the same thing as I initially misunderstood it to be. Your ‘non-expertly’ grading of the wording as “well constructed” is sufficient for me. I learned not to complement willy nilly long ago. I once observed to a friend that a certain professional was very good at what he did and the friend shot back a sarcasm to the effect that “well you must be even better than him to ascertain that then!”. This is why I limited myself to the “subject” confusion that made it hard to comprehend for me. For the rest, I will go with your assessment.

          Regards

          • Hope

            Selam Hailat:
            No need to be humble or tihut here when it comes to your Articulation and Mastery of your English ,not to mention your excellent thought process and analysis !
            And. I heard that you are a member of the Second Sawa Batch???
            If so,just be NICE to the EDF as most of the EDF now is composed of your likes,aka the Warsay,who saved Eritrea during the 1990-2000 deadly but unnecessary War.
            Hate to see other 30k or more to perish again for nothing,God forbid
            Beyond that,you are an ERITREAN Jewel along with the Salihs and Mahmudays and the Sem Tesfays,etc…

      • Hope

        Selamat hailat:

        Check this out:

        “U.S. Ambassador: TPLF would seek U.S. satellite imagery on Eritrea”
        For details,check in at TN.Com

        • haileTG

          Hello Hope,

          We need to have some sober conversation about this whole thing 🙂 Just like individuals, organizations and governments have innate desire to be in control. Imagine how terrifying your life would be if you were to have no sense of control about your destiny? A profound sense of loss of control is a critical survival hazard, hence the reaction of the affected is one that seeks out compensatory control (as opposed to a rational sense of control). Compensatory control is essentially the belief that you have a powerful ally or a powerful enemy. This is instinctive reaction and it does have its benefits and risks. In the first case, i.e. believing that you have a powerful ally (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bisha…), hence they are in control – even if they don’t have your best interest at heart, is much better than the total sense of loss of control that renders your destiny to pure chance. Where as in the second case scenario, i.e. believing that you have a powerful enemy (USA, UN, Ethiopia…) helps you to be hypervigilant, over scrutinize motives and to be overly attentive even to the most innocuous events and misinterpret them as threatening.

          In both of the above forms of compensatory controls, the affected is experiencing “uncommonly angry mind”. They loose more control than they started out with and become desperately insecure, feeling isolated and bitter inside. If you would prefer me to spell it out, it is called PARANOIA. It is not a physical disease, rather suspicions running away from and wrecking havoc in the lives of those who fell under its grip. The world is both a scary and often rational place. Hence, the insatiable desire to feel in the driver’s seat of a complex world must be tamed and a healthy sense of interdependence ought to be cultivated in order to overcome it.

          I hope I have simplified the issue enough to warrant some of our friends in Asmara to skip their Prozac for a day or two 🙂

          • Hope

            Love that hailat:
            Thanks.
            Let me “correct” you.
            Paranoia is “delusion” but our issue at hand is factual-a reality.
            Hence, we need to stay Super Vigilant and prepare for any eventuality.

          • Abi

            Hope Gerageru
            You are so paranoid to the point where you sound schizophrenic. You are imagining a powerful neighbor coming to rule over you. I feel sorry for you, cousin Hope. You must have been reading some kind of horror books. You are not alone. It is due to a coordinated effort that has been unleashed on the young and old alike from different directions for over 50 years . You have been bombarded non stop. Very sad situation .

          • Hope

            Abi:
            Your hypocrisy and begotry aside,you have no moral or Ethical grounds to insult an ERITREAN ,let alone to an Eritrean paranoid or schizophrenic,unless you have no clue about the meaning of such Psychiatric Terminologies!
            ERITREANS are people of Principle and Action!
            If they have survived the tsunami for 50 years,they can and will survive any kind of tsunami against all odds!

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Hope,

            ‘Eritreans are people of principle and Action!’

            What do you think qualifies Eritreans to be worthy of that endearmemnt ? The modern day slavery ? The mass exodus ? The shoot-to-kill policies ?

            You couldn’t honestly tell me in good conscious that after witnessing what has tranpired in the past quarter of a century in the lives of Eritreans, you really believe in that ? This reminds me of The Heavens Gate mass suicide in 1997. The cult members truely believed that they were the ‘chosen’ people who, ‘concluded that they had been chosen to fulfill biblical prophecies, and that they had been given higher-level minds than other people.’ Needless to say, they committed mass suicide by drinking poison while they awaited for their space aircraft.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,

            I bet he didn ‘t get it. From all the cornucopia of advices you offered to him, he only picked “super vigilant “. When you feed him one spoon at time please.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Hey Aman:
            FYI(Minor correction):
            “Advices” should be spelt as “advice”‘(No Plural for advice)..
            You are writing like PIA at Shabait.Com spelling “evidence” as “evidences”..
            As far as Hailat’s “advices’ is(“are”) concerned, it is an issue of Reality vs Metaphysics. There is Nothing in between.
            If the advice is to give up coz of our Powerful Enemies,well,that is NOT part of the Eritrean History and is “Unjust”!.
            He reminded me about your support of the TPLF defending it by telling us :’…it is for their best interest….so Eritrea should succumb to its( for Hailat:TPLF’s) request and preconditions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Hope,

            Thank you for the correction.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    Greetings first….
    .
    Do these Eritrean Organizations also represent and include
    the provinces and the people of Simien, Tigray and Aussa
    under their organizational ranks ?
    or they are still modeled in the old form ?
    Who represents the people of these 3 lost Eritrean provinces ?
    I mean are they part of the revolution and our Northern Ethiopian
    United Horn Republic of Africa movement pioneered by the ELF
    & EPLF or not ? I know that some parts of Tigray have joined the
    revolutionary struggle as TPLF as an extension of ELF / EPLF in
    the past.
    Please enlighten us readers !
    Trying to Put all things in the right order and
    perspective for lasting and sustainable peace
    and to avoid repeating past mistakes / wrongs.
    I also know that the northern Ethiopian part is historically and
    contemporarily more or better represented by the multinational
    ELF & EPLF parties than any other party with many ethnic /
    Nationality parties like the tplf, epdm etc….. rrepresented under
    them / their wings.
    Awet N Hafash !
    DiL Le Sefie Hizb !
    Victory to the Masses !

  • Hope

    The quote of the week:
    “The other narrative is: yes, it is small vs big but it is actually the powerless Eritrean citizen vs the predatory government and the Eritrean citizen denied of any mechanism to influence the government’s behavior, is making his/her case to those that the predator hears/fears. We need to make our case better”.
    Courtesy Prof Salih A A Younis.
    I ENDORSE this Factual Statement, and I do not believe even the PFDJ will deny this fact or truth, let alone dawit.
    Here is my DILEMMA/Concern and the justification for my skepticism about the COIE
    -The Procedural and Factual errors and technicalities of the COIE
    -The Sponsors of the COIE
    -The “heftiness” and rush of the COIE and its Sponsors at the time when the GoE started to comply with the Periodic Review and Human Rights and the Constructive Engagement of the GoE with the EU along with the $230 million Development Fund for Eritrea
    -The Premature conclusion and judgment made by the COIE(Note: I was shocked to read the statement made by Mr Smith saying that” Eritrea is now confirmed to be a “Threat to International Peace”, when in fact, the truth and the fact are/is the other way round.
    This statement is more than enough to question, and even, to refute the COIE,from Legal Point of View (coupled with its factual errors and procedural failures. Along with its political motivations).
    -The role of Eritrea’s Enemies on this biased Report
    -The exclusively discriminatory targeting of the GoE/Eritrea along with its EXCLUSIVE omission of the other major Root Causes of the problems,hassles,,etc Eritrea as a Nation and Eritreans as a People have gone through and are going through.(not to mentions the sanctions and the vetoing by the CIA NOT to lift them and even to maintain the Policy of NO War No Peace,Isolation,Containment,Economic and Political/Diplomatic Sabotage,etc….)

  • Guest

    Dear moderator
    Ok apologize i will say tplf supporters instead of tigrai thanks

  • Solomon

    Selamat iSEM,

    Mark1:2-4
    2It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way”3″ a voice calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.” 4And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptisim of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

    My good friend the General that you are, and as I know that you believe we are all operating “in God’s time zone” I couldn’t help but notice a significant negligence in calibrating your instrument to be on target of your goal.
    John the Baptist, as God commanded him warned King Heredos of his transgressions of God’s Law. Utilizing his free speach he informed his people that unless you the people and your King change, repent and reconcile with your God…

    Kemey QenuKha QeniKhum Awetawian kulukhum Eritrawian PLUS selamawian Friends.
    I haven’t clicked to view iSEM’s shared link but who is to denie the deliverance of Joshwa and all Eritrean political prisoners to liberty through a change of the hearts of all Eritreans NOW before the anticipated International courts inevitable or never to materialise… just as God had delivered the young lady “Hareg Weiny” from the shackle’s that bound her — of the economic kind as iSEM alluded.
    Well… I beg your pardon my good people for my abrupt nudging and or picking on my neighbor the Maple Leaf ice skater…he has aptly described me as an enigma mathenatically speaking… As we celebrate June Teenth, God’s deliverance of his enslaved people to the promised land of freedom under the law here in the USA, I can’t help but also call on the Warrior’s to ” come out and play!” …. My brother Felix was suggesting to me a rather profound thing when I thought it in it’s proper context. He said “I don’t take sides. I am always with the winners side.”

    It is great to see the always FORAGING Saay to draw back the dawit’s and HaileTGs the Heavy Weights sort to soeak .. I am also eager to appreciate a Tigrigna linguist expert as well as pick on him not only for picking on Uncle Amanuel and the young rapper/poet who sang a melody if Animal Husbandry…but also simply because he is the other Semere……
    Well God has with him now company “The Greatest!” Rest in Peacec Mohammed Ali!

    Pray for Etitea and friends to find God’s Peace and Don’t give up the fight.

    tSAtSE

    • iSem

      Hi Solomon
      Translation please:-)

      • Solomon

        AY Ay Genetal iSEM,

        Roughly “from it shook shook, some thing would maybe produced.” It has a Hopeful tone.

        Eske nAyakha Semere nIHteto.

        Saay’s suggestion….I shall go back up and read now.
        tSAtSE

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Merhaba Solomon (young brother)

      Your uncle Amanuel is always lost in the dark in most of your comments. Where is Saay? He is the only awatistas who can translate your take. However, keep coming and collied the political protagonists.

      • saay7

        Selam Emma:

        I am here, reading, following.

        For a long time, you and others have been asking awate to make sure it prunes the discussion so it is focused on the subject at hand. And for a long time, I have been saying that people should have the freedom to discuss whatever issues they want. I still think my approach is the better way, to encourage people to express themselves but I admit to you that on this particular topic, I wish people would listen to your advice and stay on topic.

        Of all the points made, I think iSem’s was the most potent: that CoIE is not UN vs Eritrea; it is testimonies given by victims, vs testimonies given by government officials. He said that all CoIE did was tell our stories and are now presenting them to the UN because the Eritrean government won’t listen to our testimonies, and it won’t present it a court of law. Entay mo entay mo, Cousin iSem’s post was full of adjectives and unnecessary antagonism so I doubt he won any converts or persuaded anyone.

        The issue is serious: PFDJ is in Geneva in full force trying to persuade HRC to ignore the testimonies. Our side is yet to gear up: I have only seen one editorial from EPDP in harnnet calling on all HRC delegates to endorse the CoI.

        I wish iSem would expound on his point that CoI were transcribers telling Eritreans stories and present it in an article, free of all the adjectives or, as Herui Tedla Bairou used to say, “መዓት ትግርኛ ኔርዎ.” There are two narratives here. The PFDJ’s narrative is this: Eritrea, a small country, is being bullied by large countries and organizations (Ethiopia, UN, US) and it needs its space to bring about change to improve its governance. It is finding willing ear among the intelligentsia and among ultra-nationalists who believe in an Us vs Them ideology. The other narrative is: yes, it is small vs big but it is actually the powerless Eritrean citizen vs the predatory government and the Eritrean citizen denied of any mechanism to influence the government’s behavior, is making his/her case to those that the predator hears/fears. We need to make our case better.

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Saay,

          I hope Sem will take a note on your advices, both on limiting his adjectives and on expounding his argument on the CIOE report in an article form.

          Sem, listen to the voices coming from distances.

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

    • dawit

      My Dear Son Solomon the Wiseman at AT Forum.

      It is obvious many Revenge Seekers don’t understand when you tell them the bitter truth, they only like and understand the sweet lies. Sister Haregu spoke the truth about UN relation with Eritrea, but Revenge Seekers don’t like that because they think the UN will bring deliverance to the Eritrean people though revenge. The UN which aborted the Eritrean fetus in conception and buried it in its grave yard for 50 years. By the Grace of God’s miracle Eritrea was born 25 years ago through untold sacrifices. For the last 25 years the UN has been trying to kill the baby Eritrea, through direct and indirect invasion, harassment, sanctions including buying and bribing individuals from inside and outside the country. But God did not resurrected Eritrea for nothing but His purpose. It has made it the shining star in a universe full of corruption and injustices. Who can destroy what God wanted it to live? None, not UN, COI etc. Eritrea shall live forever, because it trusts in ‘One People, One Heart under One God’.
      Psalm 118:6
      “The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?”
      Romans 8:31
      “What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us!”
      Hebrews 13:6
      “So we say with confidence: “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”
      1 Samuel 23:17
      Thus he said to him, “Do not be afraid, because the hand of Saul my father will not find you, and you will be king over Israel and I will be next to you; and Saul my father knows that also.”

      dawit

      • Solomon

        Dear dawit (abo Selemun)

        Ewe tselot abotatnann adietatnan ygberelna.

        Ente khone kemzridiO ane, weykeA kemti zmerHani EgziAbiher Abotatey, FtHawi Amlakh iyu ftHi zengs. TeyaWui ftHi kheA Adam n Adam iyu abza nabra Alemna.

        Wila iQua “an Quinat zeyweAle beliH shiH gzie” ms “HaQui tezaribka mengedi baburr deQis” sHiH gzie semiEnayo tegeraCHawi ente meselena.. Btefelaleye meilatat kndegmo: ntom ftHi zey rekhebu ab Quinatn Eyon zweAlu FtHi kemtHibom nemesgneka FeTari khulu. Amen

        £¢€¥¥^°=

        Though my short comings and personal disappointment I do not have space to enumerate (nTiQmey, nsnQey,) and may or may not have relevance or serve a purpose, I am sure you will agree with me that the battle for Freedom and Justice for Eritrea has reached the UN forum at this level where I pray the Present Eritrean Leader I say as AfewirQi enters the International Court and defend the legacy of the Eritrean Revolution and is meted a just verdict according to laws and agreements.
        For I believe it is God’s will that Eritreans ALSO deserve justice.

        Happy Fathers day to all and God Bless!

        tSAtSE

      • Abi

        Hi Gashiye
        Endet new negeru?
        It makes a lot of sense to assume there are several gods you are worshipping in the Kingdom of Eritrea.
        Gashiye, this s personal question for you to ponder about;
        How do you convince me the God protecting Eritrea is also the God that the Protestants and Jehovah Witnesses are worshipping? You know how many of them are in jail for years?
        Gashiye, I know the Bible fairly well. It amazes me when you quote the bible while your government puts people in jail because of their religion.

        • dawit

          Abiye,
          Wrong there is only one God that Eritreans worship, he may have different names, Alah, Egziabher, Rebi etc. The people you mentioned Protestants and Jehovah Witnesses, are not in prison because of their belief in their God, but they are in jail because they broke the law of the country. The Eritrean government assigned four churches for people to assemble and worship their God. Three for the Christens, Orthodox, Protestant or Lutheran and Catholics. Other neighborhoods churches where people assemble in every corner of the city was banned, It is not difficult why they have the law. It is easy for the government to monitor who is truly worshiping or who is plotting to change the government. So the government made a simple law, just like having a traffic law in a country. Her in US the law is to drive on the Right, and if you drive on the left you endanger the lives of other drivers. Similarly in UK the law is to drive on the left, I cant go to England and decide to drive on the Right, because I am used to drive in US on the Right. The so called religious prisoners in Eritrea are simply are people who wanted to mix politics and religion in the country. Even the former head of the Orthodox church is in house of arrest, not because he was protestant or Jehovah Witness. If you break the law you get ‘Go to Jail’ card and hope next time you draw the ‘Get out of Jail’ card. I used to play Monopoly a lot when I was in high school..

          • iSem

            dawit
            let me give you one lesson that they do not teach you in OPFDJ(Old PFDJ) and it is this:
            the banning of the churches you mention was not made now, it was made in 977, first congress of EPLF, now PFDJ. Everuthing your wrote in this comment like most of your comments is garbage and lies, Abi is right!. His country allows freedom of worship and assembly and we know you will be running there when IA sells Eritrea to ISIS when he needs the money or the blood

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            What you are saying is the government is rationing religion to the people as everything else.

          • dawit

            You are right Abi, you are getting it slowly
            During national emergency period everything is rationed. If you don’t find your GOD in the designated places or your home, then leave the country. You may be lucky to find him in one of the refugee camps or Sahara or Sinai deserts or under the Mediterranean Sea. It is you free choice., but don’t expect to live in a country of law like Eritrea, by breaking its laws. If you break the you go to jail

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            I hope this is not one of your customary Sunday afternoon sermons.
            I heard long time ago that God exists everywhere. I’m not sure about the Eritrean God that apparently approved only some versions of Christianity and that doesn’t exist in refugee camps.
            If , as you said, the country is under emergency, why does it allow only some versions of the same religion? My guess is all these people allowed to worship freely are working in the ministry of “Emergency Preparedness “.
            It becomes clear to me that Eritrea allows only ” yeneqa ” ” yetederaje” “yetaTeqe” amlaki hizb.
            Gashiye, you took Ephesians 6:14-17 literally.

          • dawit

            Hi Abi,

            You are right this was not my customary Sunday sermons. Actually I had one dealing with ‘Trinity’, but I guess the “Wardia” or the Gardner pruned it. One the nature of Eritrean One God you are right He is everywhere. But we are talking organized political religions which are many in numbers and colors. Yes Eritrea want ” yeneqa ” ” yetederaje” “yetaTeqe” hizb. “Hade Hizbi, Hade Lbi” under one God. Ephesians 6:14-17 has been and still is the guiding principle of Eritrea. I stand by it.

            dawit

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            Don’t worry about the sleepy wardiya at the post. Just say “getaw, endet aderu”? He will wave you in. Sifokir enji siwerewur ayitayim. The problem is the Gardner who will weed you out without prior notice. Just like IA.

  • josef

    I don’t know why is everyone jumping on the ICC.. (which only persecutes African people)..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-sets-stage-for-libya-like-regime-change-in-eritrea-africas-cuba/5531472

    ICC was used in Libya and look what happened to that country..
    https://www.amazon.com/Slouching-Towards-Sirte-NATOs-Africa/dp/1926824520/ref=pd_cp_14_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0X68D5XZZSA5QF66J06A

    Eritrean folks forget your stupid dichotomy: government vs opposition… gedhli generation diseases

    American government(not people) and Ethiopian government(not people) are playing chess and Eritrean government and opposition play checkers at least the Gedhli generation on both side of the fence..

    If the Globalresearch story has any grain of truth… American government by proxy and Ethiopia will be relishing will be enjoying the breakup or the puppet condition of Eritrea…
    To be honest- Eritrean of the Gedli generation have such a tunnel vision and power hunger they would be eager to serve any foreigner… Eritrea has always being at the crossroad of major powers..
    Look what we did after having our own country… imagine if we had independence in 1977- these power hungry clowns of Gedhli generation probably would have sold the country down the river…

    Hey listing persecution of pentes.. which I think is wrong is also done in Russia… where is ICC in Russia…

    ICC always target weak or vulnerable countries… preferable around or close to equator.. and next comes military intervention either by Proxy or direct intervention… or has future president of united states said Hillary Clinton’ – “We came, we saw, he died!” Libya..

    And all Eritrean getting the bandwagon with ICC and its selective bullshit… just of think the Libya or Iraq or Syria and then ask about all those Eritrean innocent people who died for country 30+ years of struggle.. our refugees like who left Eritrea thru Tesenia… with Menguistu flying his Migs over my head…

    Both government and opposition leaderships are one trick ponies.. but does the whole country and its legacy have to suffer because of these donkeys..

    When it comes to anything coming from Europe/Ethiopia/ America or any other country ask “Who does this benefit” Instead of just jumping on Bandwagon.

  • mesob werQi

    Hi Aman
    Woyane’s army is not as strong as it wants us to believe. It’s an army in name only. It’s weakened by tribalism(Tigrayan vs Oromo, Tigrayan vs Amhara), cronyism, and rampant corruption. All the fat-belly generals have accumulated millions of dollars and own mansions in Bole. So I don’t see the rank-and-file sacrificing limb and blood in a meaningless war to satisfy the greed of such generals.

    • AMAN

      Hi mesob werQi
      Greetings…..first,
      I Agree with you
      You are making a good point here.
      That was my always suspicion too.
      But then
      What is the way out ?
      Don’t they fear for their lives and property
      when a revolution within the ongoing revolution
      comes from below engulfing everything ? If things
      are like you described and you and me agree ?
      It is so disturbing !!!! indeed !!!!!>>>>>>>>>>
      But thankyou for the reply and valuable info!

  • haileTG

    hey Hope,

    Here is my best thought answers 🙂

    Q – Which one is better?

    A – I can’t see what you’re looking at.

    Q – To repair a broken leg or to create a new leg?

    A – Depends how bad is your leg.

    Q – Which one is easier?

    A – Tell me what you’re trying to do first.

    Q – To deal with a known devil or with an unknown Angel, which could be a worse devil?

    A – But you said it was an angle, otherwise it would be a known devil vs. an unknown devil.

    Heck, Eritreans are international community and we’re imposing sanctions on PFDJ who is also international community. You’re talking to international community here, we are not extra-terrestrial beings Hope! Stop splitting hairs here.

    Have a blast weekend 🙂

  • Nitriccc

    Hi All; I am reading all this posts and I can’t help it but to ask the question must be asked. I know most of are blinded by hate of PIA, so, anything goes. It is a terrible thing and a waste of your time and energy to be guided by hate and powered by revenge. The question remains that do the Weyane really want PIA ousted?
    Like I have said; your hate is not allowing you to see and analyzing things clearly but from what I am observing from the actions of the Weyanes on the last few days; NO, the Weyane want PIA to stay in power. The question is why? What is their real motive? What is behind that act? I will share my take. It is funny how the weyane are taking you for a ride and you don’t even know it. sad, sad!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc,

      who told you even we hate “PIA”? if you ask me if I hate PIA I will say no. I don’t hate. I hate the system he leads but not him as person. And why you want to understand opposition want to remove only “PIA”..I mean what force think so ?” PIA ” is only one man – single man who can simply die tonight. he is not supper man.. he can’t even stand in front of one hero. This man is only the result of how you and me think. really if the system goes to ash and I catch this man I will forgive him… what is on that man! All the power he got is that the criminals around him are afraid of change and are able to send people like you to defend and kill justice seekers hidden or sale prostitute ladies to close crimes done in other countries.

      “Weyane” you don’t have to put everything on this word – who cares what the plan of Weyane is if there is one. Leave weyane in peace man! we are talking about our home grown dirty system. my question to you is why do you want to see PFDJ on power when our people are suffering?

    • iSem

      Nitricc:
      Again you are not utilizing your entire one cell brain. You and I, the PFDJ supporters and the justice seeker all are blinded, but not by HATE, but by LOVE!. We are blinded by love of our people and you are blinded by love IA.
      DO not make up things, there is no hate is blind, the expression is Love is blind 🙂

  • Guest

    Yes, at times it may be good to retreat in style by tapping your self and hiding on some vague statement. No substance or depth of thought except laud noise and grandiose ambition to be noticed which I suspected from the start. Cheers Buddy!!

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  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hello Awatistas,

    EFND/EGS have Issued a communique in support for the recent COIE ‘s report on “crime against humanity” against the Eritrean regime publicly. Besides, they sent a seperate letter of appreciation to Mr. Smith and his colleagues for the work they have done on behalf of the Eritrean people. You can read the communiqe in the link below.

    http://assenna.com/ethiopia-and-eritrea-are-fighting-again/

    Regards
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • PTS

    Hello all,
    What do you think of this timely message…can we give her the benefit of doubt that her concern is genuine and not sympathy for the regime?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJF-RGQO6W0

    • haileTG

      Hey PTS,

      This is a recent phenomenon in Eritrean politics where the charismatic christian sects (at least people who claim to belong there) are blending their teachings with PFDJ or justice seekers political messages. This lady is of course trying to sell PFDJ mekete arguments, where as I also heard others using bible verses to persuade people to speak up for justice. When politics is tampered with religious dogma, it sure is a step closer to fanaticism. My Iranian friend today showed me a photo he received from his country. A man was being beaten by police while laying down on the back of a track. His offence was being seen eating food in public during this holy month of Ramadan. My friend who is Muslim and Iranian seemed upset by it. This lady was telling us that the world powers are ruled by the devil and the hypocrisy is that she came to live with the devil for “better life and opportunity”.

      • PTS

        Hailat,
        I think she made valid points when talking about world indifference on Ethiopia’s wrongdoing during previous regimes, including the indiscriminate bombardment of Massawa and other Eritrean places. If I worked a little harder, I might find a thing or two additional points that would probably make sense to me.
        Where she blew it big time is, her super simplified reasoning of youth immigration as a normal occurance of ‘looking for better lives”. This, inspite of her opening remark where she acknowledged the hundreds dead at the sea, in a span of few days. There is nothing normalcy about this.

        On a separate issue, few days ago, you said (I am paraphrasing) Ethiopia would be at bad political position if it blames Eritrea as the agressor and not finish things off, as had threatened if Eritrea were to indeed initiate such aggression. That was a good observation on your part. But with the way these two regimes operate, a sound prediction, expectation or judgement like yours have no place. What say you?

        • haileTG

          hi PTS,

          I think we can agree that Haregu has got her money’s worth of coverage, let’s put her aside for now. You’ve asked more timely question on the unfolding situation. I don’t seem to remember if I said anything regarding “finishing off” however. With that in mind, let’s roll 🙂

          There are two requirements to adhere to in a tactical move:

          a) take up a position
          b) be able to defend that position

          Regarding the clashes last weekend, clearly the PFDJ had taken the upper hand when it comes to the political spin. It controlled global media, it surprised the hell out of the world community, it appears to have politically cornered Ethiopia (so far) and it has given a clear indication that war is firmly on the cards. The way it is managing its media campaign appears to be targeted at giving the signal that unless the world backs down, it would take whatever it can with it. Today, it has shaved of the US and UN reactions, and it appears that it is seriously contemplating to take this further. The question is what will happen next? Will Ethiopia resist the urge to turn things around? Technically, unless it does so, its current position would raise concern for outsiders. Therefore, the logical dilemma is is on the #2 above, i.e. strictly from the book of tactics and strategies.

          1 – Can PFDJ defend the position that it would threaten short term peace if Ethiopia doesn’t honor the border demarcation?

          2 – Can EPRDF defend the position of not demarcating by demonstrating superior security capability?

          Otherwise, would the intl. community succumb and negotiate with IA with a carrot.

          Let’s wait and see.

          Regards

          • Dear HTG,

            Welcome back HTG. You were missed a lot.
            I really doubt that Ethiopia will ever demarcate the border under duress, and without further negotiations. The choice for war is much more gambling on the Eritrea side than making any point. If another full-fledged war starts, the reaction of the international community will not be more than verbal condemnation of the war.
            Let’s see the capabilities of the players. Can Eritrea start a war and sustain it until she achieves her target of forcing Ethiopia to demarcate; and on the flip side, can Ethiopia make a strike that may incapacitate the regime and say it was in self defense? Can this bring the two countries to square one, instead of propelling things towards a solution? What does the regime in Asmara expect the West to do? Does it expect the UN to declare war against Ethiopia, or put sanctions for failure to demarcate, when there are so many contested borders all over the world?
            Therefore, forcing Ethiopia militarily is out of the question, and sanctions are equivalent to driving Ethiopia into the arms of China. Ethiopia will stop all her participations in peace missions and the rest, and she will be forced to look inwards, which the West does not want to happen.
            Unless suicidal, DIA would not continue to play with fire. War wherever it comes from is anathema to the world community, and not a weapon of blackmail. A weaker Eritrea after a war cannot continue to blackmail Ethiopia. That is why I say it is gambling on the PFDJ side.
            I think that the only choice for Eritrea is the way of peaceful resolution, if possible, which would come only when the two countries decide to do it the peaceful way. Let us pray that we will not wake up to a full-fledge war.
            Regards.

          • haileTG

            Hi Horizon, Thanks.

            Let’s sharply focus this on IA and the current situation. What are the options for IA? Is it better for him to pin his hopes on legal processes of multiple organs of UN or try to call Ethiopia’s “bluff” and hold the intl. community on a lower moral grounds? Now, the issue for IA is being able to militarily survive it and for Ethiopia it is her ability to demonstrate that it can assert its will and wouldn’t put international peace at risk in doing so. I’ll write a longer view point later, but it would be helpful if you re-consider your earlier point which makes sense for Eritrea in a general sense but not to IA in this particular case.

            regards

        • haileTG

          PTS my reply is held up for moderation. Give it time.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam PTS

      “Can we give her the benefit of doubt that her concern is genuine and not sympathy for the regime?”

      1. – Yes I do give her the benefit of a doubt and more. She (Hareg?) is very intelligent, very articulate, very passionate, with a very clear message – and a challenging and thought provoking message at that. I’m proud of her, and I hope she is one of the ኣብ ቤት ፈርኣን ዝዓበየት ሙሴ for the people of Eritrea and the people of our region.

      2. – Her take on the ‘Send Isaias To The ICC’ crowd:

      These are the facts. The leaders of the regime change crowd don’t have a clue how Eritrea is going to be governed the day after Isaias is gone – but the Khewajas do. The Eritreans who are agitating the crowd behind Human Rights, Journalists, Civic leaders…..veil, are hired employees. And when someone hires you, at day one, the one who is signing your check will explain to you in great detail your JOB DESCRIPTION. And based on your job performance, your employer will keep you or fire your behind. Therefore, one could say with confidence, those who have kept their job for a while campaigning against the PFDJ regime, are doing a darn good job.

      3. – Her Take On The Plan To Depopulate The World.

      It is not far-fetched idea. The world population is growing at an alarming rate, but the resources to sustain the growing world population are not. If the current trend continues, which it will, at some point, there is going to occur scarcity of vital resources. And when that happens, the first ones to die are the weak, the poor, the small minorities followed by small, weak, poor countries.

      I said it before and let me say it again. On our planet, there are many small communities living in small islands at the Pacific, Indian Ocean and near the poles; but none of them is a sovereign country. These small communities and their habitat is claimed by powerful global powers from half the world away – the same global powers who are trying to LIBERATE us. The fight for claiming land and resources, you can even see it to day at the poles. What do you think the idea behind space exploration, naming and mapping of planets and moons – and claim to follow soon.

      When scarcity of resources becomes real, one of the first ones to be Balkinaized and then LIBERATED are poor Africans. And when that happens, there won’t be any shortage of Africans who would work very hard towards their own extinction.

      Semere Tesfai

      • iSem

        Hi Aya Semere Tesfai, Tegadaalai Semer Sesfai
        Dear wedi meriet hagerawi Semere Tesfai
        I did not listen Hareg’s peice, but I think I am not wrong if I summarize your take on taking IA and his partners to ICC as this:
        There is a family where the man physically abuses his sons, he molests his daughters and beats his wife when she confronts him. So, to keep the family “intact” the abused family members should not ask the elderly neighbour to say “aggeb”, they should remain secret and let sort it self, solve it with relative and keep the secrets.

        • haileTG

          Hey iSem,

          1 – The hypocrites want the inl. community “to shoulder its responsibility” to return a border town to them. Yet, they think the same inl. community should not be involved if an international crime is committed in the Eritrean soil, by Eritrean perpetrators and against Eritrean victims!! The intl. community is more responsible to hunt down perpetrators of international crime (such as crimes against humanity) than facilitate sovereign defense issues of local actors.

          2 – The same hypocrites also wish to fault the cause for justice for not predicting what the future would hold for Eritrea, yet they don’t give a damn as to what the present holds for the same country: where is parliament? where is judiciary? where is constitution? where are basic fundamental rights? where are the victims? where is head of the orthodox church?…. do you see, pure hypocrisy. They have no courage or character to face today, so they pontificate about tomorrow as if it matters a whole lot more than today. Of course, they own all facts, languages and rules for mankind, that is why blubbering comes easy for them 🙂

          • iSem

            Hi HTG:
            A gripping comment! Thank you.
            And if the Bible wielding Hareg is using the book to make a case against IA to ICC as Semere T is insinuating then tell her that the author of the book hated hypocrites, he rarely said you do not pray enough, you do not submit enough, he said you are hypocrite, your read the laws, but the laws talk bout me. So, you are right they talk about int, law but same laws talk about human dignity and against crimes against humanity
            But I tell you deep inside, they are dead souls, to be accused against crimes against humanity pains them more than the “woyane” penetrating Eritrea, occupying Asseb, they are self serving bunch. If HRC agrees with CoI next week, then you will see the bravado wilting and if they get referred to ICC even if the case remains in limbo like AlBashire’s you will hear different tone. But get ready to hear from them invoking, “we are innocent until proven guilty”, a line we, the justice demanders have telling them for years

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Hypocrites are always hypocrites no matter what, that includes Semere Tesfay by the way. They want the international community to pressure Ethiopia in order to be abided by the verdict, but when the international community want to do the same pressure on the regime on issues of human right abuse to our people, they are crying foul about it. When they demand justice, they must also give themselves justice to their subjects.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • mesob werQi

            Greetings all

            It’s not hypocrisy at all to demand first things first. The UN has a responsibility to pressure the invader to implement a deal of which it’s the main guarantor.

            I don’t trust the UN at all because it’s wasted numerous opportunities to resolve the border issue. It’s always blaming the invaded and the invader. It does not have any sense of justice.

            So when I see it shedding crocodile tears about the welfare of the Eritrean people, I can’t help but laugh. More seriously, this could be an evil scheme to undermine a sovereign nation just the way it’s doing in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan under the pretext of fighting terrorism

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Moseb Worqi,

            If you like the UN or not, they will persecute the devil IA. Weather they succeed or not, it will be seen but IA Afeworki will living his life like a rat.

            That is a huge success for the justice seekers. Bringing the dictator to his knees without firing bullets and civil war is a huge achievement not only for him but for anyone in the future wants to be like him.

            Berhe

          • josef

            Hi Amanuel,
            We still don’t know who this stuff benefits? I think the border clash was timed with ICC report..
            Do the Eritrean people benefit from any of these? If article like this have a grain of truth..
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-sets-stage-for-libya-like-regime-change-in-eritrea-africas-cuba/5531472

            America government(not american people) and Ethiopia government(not people) wouldn’t hesitate to do regime change or split the country in divided into parts.. not because either government hates Eritrean people.. it is just realpolitik..
            Unfortunately, our leadership in Eritrea or Opposition are both destroying country they supposedly liberated… that is the disease of the Gedhli generation.
            In the process of fighting a monster for 30+ years.. he ended up becoming monsters and dumb and intellectually retarded unable to participate in global community effectively. Without any basic understanding of realpolitik…
            Ethiopian and American government play Chess… Eritrean government and opposition play checkers. And who suffers from government’s ineffectiveness and opposition dysfunction- Eritrean people in Eritrea and Diaspora…
            I am not relgious but I am not afraid to say God Save us from Gedhli generations in any leadership role!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Josef,

            You keep accusing the whole ghedli generation with broad brush as illiterate. The problem with our politics is, the Eritrean people in general and our youth in particular become submissive to power. Dictators foster cult and personalties, usually a form of a hero worship, in which the masses are fed with propaganda, like nusu nehna and nehna nusu in our case. History testify that Hitler could do nothing without the cooperation, support, and willing submission of millions of people to seize power, moment, and perpetuate his evil act. So also Issayas could not do without the willing submission of the Eritrean people. So if you take yourself as educated and conscious of Eritrean politics, educate to awaken the Eritrean people to rebel and resist the regime, rather making your daily argument the contest between an iliterate generation and literate generation – an absurd argument to say the least. Dictatorship mentality always exist in every society except in certain instances they maintain recessive position as oppose to dominant by the power of rule of law. So get the grip and act accordingly.

            Regards

          • Hope

            Selamat josef:
            I listened to Glen Ford(TN.Com) and I read his Articles all the time and he has never erred on his conspiracy analysis…to my best knowledge.
            As far as the CIA Agenda on and towards Eritrea is concerned,he has never made a mistake either and history is the witness.
            Whatever he says is factual and based on historical facts and facts on the ground.
            This is part and parcel of Dr Susan’s Rice’s Agenda and plot any way.
            The case of the Amnesty International along with the Arbi Harnnet Effort to turn Eritrea into the Arab Style “Revolution” and quagmire is but the same Plot by the CIA and its messengers
            And this is NOT a PFDJ propaganda but some thing you see in front of your eyes on a day light.
            Hence,our argument against the biased COIE Report emanates form that perspective, not that we deny the crimes and Human Rights Abuses in Eritrea.
            But those “Crimes and Human Rights Abuses” should be approached from that destructive approach taken by the same Pseudo-Justice Seekers and self-appointed Prosecutors and Judges against the same victim ,which they set up to be such a victim, after all..
            The message relayed by the Young Eritrean ‘paid” Activist, irrespective of her bias and
            “B(M)ukshish” she might have received from the PFDJ Propaganda department, is crystal clear and to the point.
            I would have only expected her to admit that the Refugees including herself, were not and are not, just Economic Refugees but victims of various push and pull factors and erroneous Policies of the PFDJ Gov besides the notorious external factors.
            She should have also mention some advice as to have the Silent majority should unite to bring in Peaceful Change to Eritrea as Prayer alone cannot do the job .
            She forgot to mention that the Bible and God also allow “Self-defense”.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi All,
            We always keep on coming back to Awate, don’t we, for a great comment like the above one even when we are under any pressing assignments.
            Hayat

          • Kokhob Selam

            ኣንታ ሃይላት ሓወይ:-

            እዞም ኣሕዋትና እሞ ድማ እቶም ገለ ክፋል እኹል ተሞክሮን ምህሮን ዘለዎም :- ነቲ ድሮ ርጉጽን ትሑዝን ዝኾነ ዋንነት ባድመ ከም መመኻነይ ወሲዶም ዕድመ ድሑር ገባቲ ስርዓት ክሳብ ሕጂ ምንወሖም :- ባድመ ናብ ኤርትራ ክሳብ ትምለስ መንእሰይ ኣብ ውቅያኖሳት ቀለብ ዓሳ ይኹን -ኣብ ሰሃራ ነቂጹ ይሙት – ኣብ ሊብያ ብኣይስኣይስ ክሳዱ ትቀንጠብ :- ሰባት ብዘይ ዝኾነ ፍርዲ ይተኣሰሩን ይቀተሉን ኢልካ ነዛ ሃገር ንባድመ ይትረፍ ‘ሲ ንባዕላ ክትባድም ምፍራድስ ኣብ ምንታይ ይቁጸር ? ንምዃኑ ሕጋዊ ስርዓት ምፍጣር ማለት ንባድመ ምግዳፍ ማለት ድዩ ኮይኑ ዝርደኦም? እኳ ድኣ ህዝብኻ ብጽቡቅ ምሕደረ ምሓዝ ዶ ኣይኮነን (ሕጋዊ ስርዓት ምውናን ዶ ያኮነን) ሕጋዊ ወናኒ መሬትካ ክትከውን ዘብቅዓካ ! ሰብኣዊ መሰል ዘይሕሉ ምሕደራ ድኣ ከመይ ገይራ እያ ባድመ ተገድሶ ? ወላ ‘ቶም ኣብ ባድመ ዘለው ህዝቢ ‘ውን እኮ ሕጂ ሪፈርንደም እንተዝግበር ነዚ ዘይሕጋዊ መንግስቲ ነጺጎም እምብልና ክብሉ ዝኽእልሉ ተኽእሎ ኣሎ እዮ :: ወይ ድንቁርና ናይ ገለ ኣሕዋትና !!

          • dawit

            Selam Brother HTG,

            You asked several questions based on our sister’s comment about the reality of today’s Eritrea and her questioning the record of UN vis-a-vise Eritrean history. You also claimed that the Eritrean people are afraid of todays challenges. I say that is the wrong assessment. The Eritrean people are living and struggling confronting today for better days in the future. Contrary to that the “Revenge Seekers” live in the dream of yesterday’s nostalgia to see a country under occupation by foreign powers in their future.

            Where is parliament?

            You mean the parliament that countries like Britain has that serves with pleasure of the Queens and Kings? No Eritrea does not have such parliament which serve the wish of an individual. But it is striving to setup people’s parliament, building it up from the ground up. It is ‘Under Construction’.

            Where is judiciary?

            The people’s court in Eritrea is also ‘Under Construction’ from bottom up.

            Where is constitution? Constitution that serves the people of Eritrea is also ‘Under Construction’.

            Where are basic fundamental rights? The Eritrean people have the fundamental right to lead a peaceful life in their country, the right for basic necessities, food, water, education, health care etc. unlike many countries where people are imprisoned or shot or starve to death because of their religion, tribe or race.

            Where are the victims? What Victims?

            Eritrea is a nation of “One People and One Heart”. Eritrea does not have victims of political or any kind of prisoners. It only imprison criminals that try to destroy the country by plotting with the enemies of Eritrea.

            Where is head of the Orthodox Church? He is where he belongs in a house of arrest. No one is above the law when it comes to Eritrean National Security or its existence as a Nation. Eritreans recall when religious leaders use their power to deliver Eritrea to King Haile Selassie that lead to their enslavement for 50 years under the sponsorship of UN. We have not forgotten ‘Abune Markos’.

            See you in Geneva June 21st. in the Great Eritrean Mekete gathering showcasing their unity and determination to the world . Don’t be late till June 23rd to deliver your Eritrean voice.

            Cheers.

            dawit

          • haileTG

            Merhaba brother dawit,

            I think I owe you guys clarification:

            1 – Parliament meant the bayto that elected chairman IA. Where is it? Was it like the “African” parliaments, thus scrapped? If it was, why did the the great chairman allowed it in the first place? Weren’t its members EX-EPLF? Please explain.

            2 – Constitution meant the one the great chairman overseen and ratified in 1997. Where is it? Was it like the “African” constitutions? Why did the great chairman allowed it then?

            You answered the rest, except you denied their existence or their right to justice and a day in a court of Law. Why so? Is that because they shouldn’t be tried in an “African” like courts? If so, we now have brought a Mozengu court. How about that?

            Cheers

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Semere Andom

          ‘ዋይ ዕድመኻ ክነውሕ – ሕጂ አንዳዘከርኩኻ::
          ዝገርመካሲ – ትማሊ ኣብቲ ኣኼባ ህግደፍ ተራኺብና: በጃኺ በጃኪ በጃኺ….ሰመረ ዓንዶም ትግርኛ ስለዘይክል: ብንግሊዝ ተዛረቢ ኢለ ድማ ደጋጊመ ነጊረያ እየ:: ግን ደቂ ሎሚ ኣይትሰምዑን ኢኹም::

          Anyway Semere: It is not that. I think the main problem is miscommunication, it is a language barrier thing. You see, it is not about rewarding “the bad man” for his bad behavior. It is not about sacrificing everything to “keep the family intact”. No, no, no, not at all.

          It is all about:

          ለባማትን ወረጃታትን ዓድና ከለዉስ: ተገሩ ዘይፈልጥ – ብዓዲ ጓና ኢና ንዳነ ምባል ‘ዩ ተጸሊኡ ዘሎ::

          ደሓር ካኣ ሰመረኣብ: ለባም ‘ኮ ኢኻ:: ደይ ‘ቲ ትግርኛ ‘ዩ በዲልካ::

          Semere Tesfai

  • said

    Greeting,

    Repot ft times UK

    Ethiopia 6-month crackdown leaves at least 400 dead

    Human Rights Watch says tens of thousands were arrested
    after protests in the Oromia region

    https://next.ft.com/content/31789a92-33b8-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153

  • Hope

    Dear Guest:

    Read this:

    “My opinion:
    –Let us stop that madness by any means possible and condemn any military action or war or invasion
    -Ethiopia should be ‘forced’ to abide the final and binding decision
    -the International community should continue engaging the GoE/Eritrea constructively and should help to develop
    its infrastructure and the rehab of its non-essential National Service Recruitees and to improve the Human rights situation
    -the sanctions should be lifted
    -the silent Eritrean majority should reconcile and develop a strong Community as one people against the external enemies of Eritrea while supporting the EDF and persuading the PFDJ Gov to declare Amnesty and National Reconciliation thereby improve the Human Rights situation at home by implementing an Inclusive Constitution”.
    I repeatedly stated what we should do….without giving up,hence,always hopeful–and that is why I am HOPE.

  • AMAN

    Greetings ,
    Dear Awates
    The Daily Inquirer
    There is some irony with people in Ethiopia that I find it hard
    to understand. May be it is what you call African syndrome
    that like some African Americans here in America.
    When majority of the people is living under drought or poverty
    and the rest others are on the verge of it only a little better than
    the one in dire poverty; they however act or do a show as if they
    have the freedom and the luxury or wealth as an American citizen
    here one living in New York or Los Angeles. I very much doubt that
    the Ethiopian reality provides those freedoms and living standards
    that the people only do for show as TV show personalities for the
    local medias in the hope that the people or the country Ethiopia not
    to be seen as weak and backward by the outside world especially the
    west.
    So we have to fine tune it to find the exact reality of the people, the
    government ,the society and the exact nature of the country than directly
    taking or responding to what the media says or displays to us in diaspora.
    But what is the benefit or use of having or showing inflated self identity
    and living under propaganda for the people which only takes away their
    life and liberties and remain ignorant and destitute like the Ethiopian peoples
    under the regimes of HSI and Mengistu isolated from the world and impoverished
    locally.
    So do you believe and trust the followers of the TPLF/WOYANE regime or those
    in Opposition to it about the real situation of Ethiopia and the people ?
    Expecting some update and explanation from readers.

  • iSem

    hope:
    whatever your retarded pshycolgy keep it in your vacillating brain
    Your soul mate dawit admit to Tzigereda that he would harass and extended his hand if a woman was next to him, he is self-admitted sexual offender
    If you cannot be obsessed with the suffering of Eritrean women under the regime you support then nothing can move you and nothing moves a sociopath
    Now, people like me love women to much, we defend them, with our words and our actions and that is why we are disturbed the report of rape by a third party, CoI
    now please keep your Mensura psychology 000 to your self, hasebka

    • Hope

      Calm donw Wed Ad:
      dawit can successfully sue you for what you called him.
      In the USA,such defamatory reports are beyond Public Offense.
      Innocent until proven guilty otherwise…
      Hasebka avoid such unnecessary terms as Meda Ethiopia kindly advised you…
      Call him any thing else but Rapist.

  • iSem
  • Hayat Adem

    Selamat Hope,
    Okay, let us remove him before others do it for us. Will you be part of that?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Very good question Hayata.

      The first thing Hope should agree is that PFDJ is a party that should be removed. Now if we like it or not PFDJ will become history and if we do it ourselves that will be good for us before everyone else. If we are going to give millions reasons not to act then the world is telling us “we are disturbed and we may remove if you don’t” people have to understand PFDJ is against life all together and the world is not going to accommodate this type of cancer .

      if there is any single Eritrean who don’t want to see others solve the problem, then ወሸለ ገይርዎ – “እንሆ ሜዳ እነሆ ፈርስ” ንሕና ብቀደሙ ውን ኢንልናዮም ኢና :: ሕጂ ውን እቲ ዕድል ኣሎ :: ድሓን ድማ ጸለመ ገዲፎም ኢዶምን እግሮምን እንተዝሕዙ ውን ሓደ ቁም ነገር እዩ ::

    • Hope

      Hayat:
      I think me and SAAY initiated the idea of ” Surgical Removsl” and the ” Democratic coup” or at least I agree with SAAY’s approach,which I have not changed yet provided that it is done by but ERITREANS with a well coordinated and planned apptoach so as to avoid chaos.
      The Medrekh and EPDP have been working on it in coordination with the Fedayeen inside Asmera.
      The problem is that the TPLF wants things its way and for its interest only,which has complicated the matter.
      It has not welcome Medrekh and the EPDP and has kept divifingvtge Opppsition Groups and the TPLF cannot never a trusted Partner.
      You remember how the TPLF got mad about the Forto initiative and incident since it happened by an ERITREAN Initiative?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hope,

        Don’t be a laughing stock. The idea of ” democrstic coup and surgical removal” of the despot is not your idea. It was and is unadultrated Saay’s idea. Stop this daily lying and talking trashes.

        • Hope

          Calm down my Dear Aman:

          That was why I said “..or at least I agree with SAAY’s approach”

          Surgical removal or Democratic Coup is not and was not a new idea but way older than you and SAAY.

          Not interested and have no appetite in “stealing” other people’s ideas.

          We know who has been copying and stealing other Authors’ wrtings and ideas…..and present them as his own original works.

          pla·gia·rism:

          ˈplājəˌrizəm/noun

          noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms

          “the practice of taking someone else’s work or ideas and passing them off as one’s own”.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Hope,
            A) First you said, “I think me and SAAY initiated the idea of ” Surgical Removal” and the ” Democratic coup” ….”
            B) And then when you were alerted and challenged by Emma you said, “That was why I said “..or at least I agree with SAAY’s approach”
            The claim at A sounds foolish attempt of lying if it is not true. The attempt at B sounds a foolish exit from a catch of shame.
            Recommendation: find your center, declare your center, be loyal to your center. That way your statements will be comprehensible, consistent and less vulnerable.

        • tes

          Dear Amanuel Hidrat, though I don’t support the concept of “democratic coup” in the way saay7 advocates it, at its initial conception I also share as a conceiver of this idea. The first time the terminology, in the Eritrean context, was coined in discussion done in a Facebook page of ” Hanti Alem”. I hope saay7 won’t forget it. tes

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hope,
        .
        Was it you, Hope, or someone else Mr. Johar was contemplating sending to the Nevada desert with some other folks on a special project? Let me come back to that in a minute.
        .
        First, you are becoming very flexible lately with your out of the box ideas. Are you seeing the writing on the wall or what? Let me throw this flexible idea for your consideration, I promise I will not claim it.
        As you said the folks to the south cannot be trusted. Right? Therefore let us find their mortal enemy committed to their destruction other than PIA. Who could it be? I know, I know, how about Dr. Berhanu Nega. Let the Dr. Surgically remove the cancer and assume the leadership. There you go. He gets all the ports he wants and more, all the money and a country he loves to lead. Most important, he will guarantee you there will never be peace between the North and South. How about this dandy, out of the box, idea?
        .
        Now, that trip to the Nevada desert. I searched to find that exact offer and I could not find it. It was not a long ago offer. If he is offering to send you to Las Vegas, Nevada. You should take it. In fact, if the offer includes a wagering pocket money, I might go there myself. Free at last!
        .
        Mr. K.H

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Awatistas,

    In the wake of the Ethio-Eritrea border skrimishes,

    http://asmarino.com/news-analysis/4654-a-wake-up-call-for-eritrea-and-ethiopia

    • Hope

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat:
      I read it and would have expected your opinion on it as well.
      What we need to debate about that incomplete and a bit biased Article and current development is:
      -What is next?
      -what can we do as Citizens to avoid another hell and devastation?
      -What would be the role of the “International Community” ?
      I know you are an advocate of the Ethiopian Intervention but tell us please, about the possible and unknown case scenarios of that intervention about your stand.(the pros and cons).
      My opinion:
      –Let us stop that madness by any means possible and condemn any military action or war or invasion
      -Ethiopia should be ‘forced’ to abide the final and binding decision
      -the International community should continue engaging the GoE/Eritrea constructively and should help to develop
      its infrastructure and the rehab of its non-essential National Service Recruitees and to improve the Human rights situation
      -the sanctions should be lifted
      -the silent Eritrean majority should reconcile and develop a strong Community as one people against the external enemies of Eritrea while supporting the EDF and persuading the PFDJ Gov to declare Amnesty and National Reconciliation thereby improve the Human Rights situation at home

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hey Hope,

        Since you are like a grasshopper jumping and producing a chirping noises, l chose not to give you a serious answer. But since Mahmuday is planted in your mind, l will go-toe-to-toe with Mahmuday.

    • Amde

      Selam Amanuel,

      I thought it was a sign of the “normalcy” we can expect from Ethiopia and Eritrea going forward. These two states are located in a region too important for others to leave alone. And hence, some kind of competition between them with constantly changing constellation of outsider influence will be a more or less permanent feature. Basically, Eritrea has re-adopted its historical role where the land becomes a logistical base for outsiders interested in militarily controlling the region, and the population becomes the conscript pool.

      On balance, such a competition is of course of no benefit to the people on either side of the border, but one hopes cold peace doesn’t transform to hot war. Beyond that, at least from the Eritrean side, it doesn’t look like the regime is interested in sharing the bounty from the geopolitical game and mining, and it is not clear how and whether the sudden financial windfall the regime has received has made itself down to the people. My guess is that it hasn’t, but it will spend some of that largesse to ward off politically meaningful events. Case in point – FAO 2015 Crop Prospects (http://www.fao.org/3/a-I5197e.pdf) Report indicated more or less identical crop failure prospects for Eritrea and Ethiopia. The Ethiopian government has been loud in announcing its needs, and very obvious in re-setting priorities to address it, but we have heard nothing of either the Eritrean government asking for aid, nor of Eritreans suffering famine. To my mind, some of the Bisha and port leasing money was quietly spent to keep the population fed and none the wiser. Otherwise, we don’t know of any meaningful regime investments that can be pointed to as having made a material difference in Eritreans’ lives. I will be interested to hear if others have agree or disagree with this.

      So, as long as the Eritrean regime gets enough money to maintain its system by sustaining population repression, “allowing” migration as a relief valve, and the occasional emergency outlay, it is signalling it will stick to its policy of hegemonic competition with Ethiopia. It doesn’t have the power to overthrow the Ethiopian political order let alone to manage its aftermath. Ethiopia does have the power to overthrow the regime, but doesn’t know what to do to handle the thousand and one complications such a change will bring about. This tension is perfect for outsiders that will make sure to maintain the status quo – including even the border centered “no war – no peace” situation. Besides, hegemonic competition is good for the Eritrean regime. If it was friends with Ethiopia, it will gradually find that others will just talk to Addis Ababa directly. So, unless the Eritrean regime does something spectacularly bad causing a catastrophic sequence of miscalculations, the skirmishes this week signal what will happen over the next decade or two.

      What happens if Isayyas keels over tomorrow is of course unknown, but this arrangement (use mining and foreign adventurism to generate cash, maintain repression, make emergency outlays when needed, “allow” emigration as relief valve) may not even need Isayyas anymore as long as the team that makes this racket go on can agree to sustain it together. My guess is that the technocrats actually running the various elements of this system within the government, party and army are by this point members of a post-independence new generation.

      Two decades out potentially puts us in a very different global situation. Firstly, the oil era will be more or less on its deathbed, thereby significantly reducing the strategic need to control oil trade routes. Secondly, much of Asia-Europe trade routes and patterns have a good possibility of changing as China finishes its high speed rail to Europe and we may even see the possibility of Asian shipping crossing through the increasingly navigable and much shorter Arctic ocean route thanks to global warming. The sum total might be that (if we are lucky) others will no longer care that much about what happens in our neck of the woods.

      Well, that is my pessimistic wild stab in the dark.

      Amde

      • Bad at Predictions! Very Bad!

        Dear Amde,
        Words of wisdom: Those who try to predict the future always look foolish, especially when they look back at the predictions they made. Nevertheless, humans never stop making predictions. Almost always, the predictions are wrong. Case in point: Look back at those absolute dire predictions the London-based Crisis Group was making for Eritrea five years ago. Now they have written about how Eritrea’s luck has unexpectedly turned due to the mining revenues, the windfall payments from the UAE, Saudi Arabia to use the port of Assab in their conflict with the Houthi rebels (who would have predicted that one) and of course, the European Union’s decision to choose engagement with the Government of Eritrea and provide nearly $200 million in development aid to try to create jobs for youths. So who knows what the future holds for the Eritrean economy. The one thing we know for sure is that we are bad at predicting things. Having said all that, I am willing to make one prediction. I believe Weyane will not be the dominant power in Ethiopia 10 years from now. In 20 years, Weyane will be gone from power but the Eritrean and Ethiopian economy and people’s will diverge enough from each other that they won’t want to have much to do with each other. In 20 years, most of the awate forumers and cyber warriors will be dead (most of them) and the younger generation won’t be as obsessed with politics.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Bad,

          Here is another prediction for you, in 20 years Isayas Afeworki will be dead, and Eritrea will be democratic country.

          Berhe

          • Bad to the bone.

            Dear Berhe,
            I am not so sure about that. PIA is 70 years old but has the body of a 50 or 55 year old. The man is in good shape! He is a tough soldier. In 20 years he will be 90 years old but he will have the body of 70 or 75 year old. I doubt he will still be leading Eritrea, but he has a decent chance of still being alive and lending advice. Plenty of 90 year olds are still around with lucid minds. Example, Bob Dole and George Bush Sr. to name a couple. Although Eritrea is a secular society, we believe PIA was chosen by God to lead us as a nation just as Moses was to the Israelites. We call it “Tinbit Isaias.” Everything the man says comes true. His strategic patience always pays off.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Bad,

            Off course he can live longer than 90 and may even live to be 900 years old like Abraham since he is chosen by God.

            The point I was making, you are making everybody else demise and you forgot about Isayas.

            But I am not surprised that you actually believe what you wrote, that he is like 20 years young and that he can’t get sick or die.

            ArbaEte egri entelekis TsbaH nrieki, bele qolA.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            I will never be surprised if His Excellency Isayay Afeworqi Seyoume Egziabher rule over his kingdom for the next 500 years. You know everything Eritrean is of Biblical Proportions.
            The feudal King is still terrorizing Eritrean 40 years after his death through meticulously documented history. He just needs someone to document his “tegadlo” to free his nation, how he effectively fend off enemies, how he charismatically ruled etc etc.
            I believe dawit is well positioned to do this noble job.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            There will be a day, that we will see Eritrea free.

            We can only hope, hope that we see from our neighbors such as Ethiopia, who underwent many challenges, such as Red Terror, 2 famine (largest in the last century) and finally triumph and set on the right course of history.

            Berhe

          • Guest

            Dear berhe so in other words you are hoping after many challenges eritrea will set on the right course of history like the current ethiopia and you call yourself justice seeker . Why you hate eritrea that much? Why you wish worest ? why you wish eritrea to be like a country that 1/4 of the people in famine , apartheid system etc. if you love eri and its people At list wish them like Kenya .

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Guest,

            Considering the whole population is considered criminal by the Isayas regime, I have to keep my hopes really low.

            First of all drought is not what one needs to brag about, at least they are trying to address it.

            For the people that killed they addressed it and even the government apologized.

            Third they have not disappeared people from the face of the earth.

            Try to do that first and then we can think about Sweden or Norway.

            SaenKa maEre egriKa.

            Berhe

          • Guest

            Dear berhe supporting tplf aside , by any measurement the eri gov is batter you can see that from the number of supporters I don’t think they all are ignorant in other side the ethiopia gov is supported only by tigrains which is less than 5% of the population of ethiopia if you minus the amara in tigrai( welkiat) . Do you know a lot of people got killed every week , every day just b/ c for asking not to be looted ? What a justice seeker
            Saenika maere egirika

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Guest,

            I don’t really take any PFDJ supports seriesly. Based on my experience, either they are extremely selfish (they would not replace themselves, their kids) with those Eritreans who wanted them to spend their lives in the boarder or they are just blind supports who do not want their previlages (summer vacation / royality treatment ) interrupted.

            So to your example, you are saying the TPLF is looting land and property that belong to other ethinicity. Fine, lets say good point and the people are fighting back.

            Now let’s compare to you PFDJ, they have looted the whole country and it belongs to them to do what ever they wanted. Not only the people can’t oppose them but they also looted the people and own them.

            So the people they only option they have to fight is to run away as far as possible from the PFDJ thugs, and some are just plain retarded who can’t differentiate people and country with government.

            Let’s take this Ginbot-7 as an example. Can you imagine during armed struggle the EPLF to side with S. African apartheid government while its oppressing the black people, or side with the Israel government while its oppressing the Palestinian people. How on earth can they stand with the PFDJ government while advocating freedom and democracy while they know the Eritrean people are denied that same thing. Do they Ethiopian opposition have a issue with the Ethiopian government, yes absolutely but would they side with the worst kind of dictator? There other irony is, the PFDJ supporters starting from the dictator advocating Ethiopian people freedom and democratic rights.

            Where is the integrity, where is the principle in that.

            So if you are telling me that you will have 40 thousand people demonestrating in Geneva supporting the PFDJ, I believe you will have, for what ever reason. But I can tell you all these people are hypocrites while they have their parents, their grand parents claim refugee status and living free in Europe and that they do all possible to bring out their siblings from the country and wants them to get free healthcare, free education, jobs and other things and they wanted the rest of the Eritrean youth to live their lives in slavery.

            You don’t have to say boarder this, badime that, demarcate this demarcate that hateftef. The boarder issue it belongs to all of us, and when I see you and the rest 50 thousands supporters go and volunteer to secure the boarder then I will have respect for you.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            Antum SebAy Hasot is Eib. Eway wurdet!
            Eritrea has been free since 1991. Are you saying Eritreans will be free from Eritrea by going to Ethiopia?
            Gashiye dawit yihen Gud semto yihon?
            Tewaridna!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Abi,

            You always tell us our problem is if biblical magnitude and I was just remind you that you people have gone through much and are able to change their destiny, and we are able to do the same way.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Ayte Berhe
            I have no doubt you will be out of this mess you put yourself into. Like Moses freed his people from slavery, there will be an Eritrean Moses or may be Eyasu who will lead you back to your country where you lived happily as creams of the society before the elites talked you into slavery. This is also of biblical magnitude.

          • Hope

            Hey bad:
            Mugabe is almost 90 and still roaming around and challenging and “pissing” off the Western Criminals.

        • Amde

          Selam Bad at Predictions! Very Bad

          You may very well be Right! Very Right about my prognostications. But you see, prediction is fun. If you are lucky, you can even get a cushy job as a pundit, prognosticate to your hearts content and keep making good money whether you were right or wrong.

          20 years is just the blink of an eye. Seeing as to how we are witnessing the celebration of 25 years and we are in the 16th year since the post-Badme era. Twenty years is close enough that big picture extrapolation is possible.

          In economies considered “resource cursed” (Google it), generally speaking, the regime elite doesn’t really have to “please” the population at large to get the revenues it needs to sustain its advantageous position. In countries with no “main resource”, the regime will have to tax the populace, and that means it will have to maintain some semblance of responsiveness to the population. Not so with Resource Curse economies where the population has less leverage (revolt etc..) against its elite to force it to take policy actions more favorable to the public at large.

          The mining and portal rental income revenue model bear the hallmarks of typical Resource Curse economies. Add to that, remittance income. That is a three legged stool. And basically, you have the picture of a regime that gets its main income from economic activity outside the country, utilizing resources that require relatively minimal internal population involvement. It is therefore incentivized to do exactly the things it is doing now.

          I think one can bank on the current mining revenue continuing for the next few years. And the Shia-Sunni competition will continue for the foreseeable future. So, unless something that fundamentally changes the regime happens, the current picture is structurally baked in.for the foreseeable future.

          I actually tend to agree with your Ethiopian prediction for the same reasons. It is hard to tell one primary resource the Ethiopian economic development is based on. There is economic activity in almost all sectors, in almost all regions of the country. If the opposite of the Resource Curse hypothesis were to apply, we would see more political pluralism within the elite. Setting those outside the EPRDF aside, the trend you will see is more diffusion of power from TPLF to other parties and factions within the EPRDF.

          Amde

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam B.A.P,

          Why do you let yourself to look foolish by making prediction, if you think predictiing makes human being foolish at least in appearance? Don ‘t you think prediction is the ability to read realities and projecting an assessment of the future assuming all the factors constant?

  • taco bravo

    Meda Ethiopia,
    How about this it is my childhood pic…ohhh no. see you in Hague.

  • Hope

    Eritrea’s response to the above Summary through the UNHRC Assembly:

    Mr. President,

    Few days ago, the Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea, in a press conference claimed that it “has reasonable grounds to believe that crimes against humanity have been committed in Eritrea since 1991.” It is intriguing that it mandated itself to investigate violations since the independence of the country in 1991. It also claimed that it is not a judicial body, yet it went on to make extreme and unfounded charges with no solid and legal evidence to support its conclusion. I must say that the report does not reflect the reality of the country for a number of reasons. To name a “1.The release of the report to the mass media before the Council had the chance to consider the report constitutes a political campaign aimed at gaining political support for its recommendation to send the matter to the United Nations Security Council for referral to the ICC;

    2. The gathering of information from “witnesses” organized by Ethiopia allows the latter to advance its propaganda against a country that it aims to destabilize. It is a country that occupies sovereign Eritrean territory and actively engages in waging hostile acts as demonstrated by the latest unprovoked military attack on 12 June 2016. The armed attack two days ago is timed with the release of the report, supposedly for maximum impact towards undermining the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Eritrea;

    3. The dismissal of the submissions made by over 42,0000 Eritreans as irrelevant only highlights the bias of the COI in including information that did not confirm or fit to its one sided narrative of the situation in Eritrea. Sources of information from UN bodies, researchers, private companies and individuals with first-hand knowledge of the situation of the country were also disregarded; and more importantly

    4. the report fails to reflect Eritrea’s serious engagement with the international community and steps taken to advance human rights through the UPR mechanism.
    Mr. President,”

    Mr. President,

    Advancing human rights in Eritrea is taking center stage, as the Government is embarking on a better and effective way of implementing the UPR recommendations that it accepted.

    The efforts taken include:

    • Drawing a national action plan, mainstreaming human rights and building a cross sectoral body;

    • Signing a framework of cooperation with the UN in areas that include, development and promotion of social equality; social services for adequate standard of living; liberties; constitution; administration of justice and international cooperation;

    • Maintaining technical cooperation with the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to strengthen the judicial system, to address the needs of the most vulnerable groups such as disabled persons, and to enhance access to water and hygiene;

    • Forging a common front with its neighboring states, AU, EU, UNODC, IOM and other institutions, to step up its fight against human trafficking and human smuggling, as well as illegal flow of migration;

    • Seeking technical support from UNODC in order to internalize the “Mandela Rules” for its penitentiary system;

    • Releasing of Djiboutian prisoners of war through the commendable mediation efforts of the Emir of Qatar; and

    • Pursuing a policy that stresses social justice to maintain peaceful, stable, secure and harmonious society in a region that suffers from sectarianism, radicalism and terrorism.

    Mr. President,

    I wish to assure the Council that Eritrea shall remain open and committed to constructive engagement to promote and protect human rights and fundamental freedoms and Eritrea will lend its hands to make this body more credible and relevant to all stakeholders.
    Submission and giving up or a Genuine Initiative?Source TN.Com

    • Hope

      Addendum:
      Selam and Peace to all…..

  • Hope

    “Breaking News”:
    The TPLF Gov asked PIA to leave Eritrea ASAP and is working on ithe it’s ” Technicalities”with the British and US Embassies!
    Source :Aigaforum
    Huhuh huh ….

    • taco bravo

      Sorry Hope (i meant Hopeless)….I feel your pain. Pack and leave now.

    • Asmerom

      Hi hope
      Cumn be a hero like your uncle be the first on line to save your beloved PIA .

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Hope,
      I’m trying to process this info. 1st, if it is true; 2nd, if the idea is closer to my ‘surgical’ proposal or to saay’s ‘democratic coup’, or in between…

      • Dear Hyatt Adem,

        Please accept my belated welcome back.

        This news looks like much more a propaganda ploy and a message for the Eritrean armed forces and the Eritrean people to revolt against the dictatoral regime, than a clear cut plan of action by the Ethiopian government or an indication for the existence of any possible plan from western governments to oust DIA.

        I do not think that Western governments are going to force him to take a long vacation until he dies somewhere in one of the Gulf States or the KSA. MHM had no choice but to accept the offer, because he knew that he had lost the war. If he refused he had to die fighting or humiliate himself in to life imprisonment or worse face a firing squad. This is not the case with DIA.

        The military option from Ethiopia is entertained only if he makes a blunder, and it is not going to come any way whatever DIA does. The danger of regime change through Ethiopian government initiative is the creation of a power vacuum, which could result in chaos, which Ethiopia. I believe, does not wish to happen.

        Therefore, I think that the aim of this news is to send a message to the Eritrean people that DIA and the PFDJ are a liability and they should not continue to put up with them, because the consequences will be grave, and Ethiopia should not be blamed that she had not informed the people of Eritrea for whatever could follow as long as the belligerent dictator remains in power. Ethiopia may be forced to take a decisive punitive military action to solve the problem of DIA once for ever .

        • Hayat Adem

          Thanks H.,
          You made good points.

        • iSem

          Hi Horizon:
          Ethiopia’s fear of a vacuum in Eritrea is true and valid, but also myopic. It is true and valid because IA is protecting Ethiopia from other jihadist forces that may sneak in via Sudan, so the border with Eritrea although tense due to the issue between the two counties and Ethiopia has tamed Eritrea, but the dictator is protecting that border for Ethiopia unwittingly as it may be. The notion is misguided because power vacuum in Eritrea can come without Ethiopia’s intervention, the opposition are impotent to effect power vacuum anyways, but even the so called change from inside is equally lethal in creating power vacuum.

          Eritrea’ army is unique among the African dictators, it is the only army I can think of that is not an institution, that is it is an entity that is beholden and subservient to only and only one man, that is why we can almost predict that if the Forto movement is repeated and succeeds, the army will not coalesce around it, they will fire at each other, like territorial Mafia fighting. In Sudan and many countries that are dictatorship, the general, the defense minister actually has power. So the power vacuum will be created in Eritrea, whether it comes from Ethiopia or from the opposition or from that pipe dream of change from inside.

          So I think Ethiopia is myopic when envisioning the future in Eritrea and if that power vacuum is created, it will be mess in Eritrea, but also for Ethiopia, add to that if Sudan disintegrates as it will be from Darfur and most likely from the East. If that happens we will be in for a geographical realignment and perpetual war in our region. Ethiopia will not be immune from that and the simmering ethnic problems and the Oromo’s and others will have a new fuel (davit and Nitricc compulsive dreams coming true). Call it the curse of multi ethnic demography. Think of it, can Ethiopia handle fighting from Oromo, and other rebel groups, Islamist coming from Eritrea, from Somalia.

          A strong, democratic government in Eritrea will go a long way in keeping Ethiopia intact even if the inevitable happens in Sudan, the inevitable in Sudan is the flaring up of war in Darfur and Darfur separating, the flaring up of the Eastern movement and Sudan on the brink of becoming 4 countries, South Sudan, Darfur, Eastern Sudan and whatever remains.

          • Hope

            Hi iSem:
            And your solution?
            Let Ethiopia invade Eritrea and put a puppet ” democratic ” Gov…and if so, which seems the case,tell us also your “expert” analysis about the unknown and presumed outcomes of such an intervention–besides the reversal of Eritrean Independence and/or the loss of Aseb,which seems the case to be your stand..
            Please advise.

          • iSem

            Hope
            Can you stop your reactive “tseman hatte hilayu” lines of me advocating invasion:-)
            I gave my ideas and since you are class of 1977 that is young you will see my predication about Sudan and vacuum in Eritrea come to pass and then you will call me cousin prophet Sem Andonm:-)
            The removal is good for Eritreans, good or Ethiopia and good for humanity. I am saying like it or not vacuum will be created in Eritrea given the situation, impotent opposition and lack of insititionalized armed forces
            managed removal of PFDJ is the safest and you need to wake up about reversing Eritreans independence, a lunatic who does not know his interest would want to reverse it.But the Assab issue maybe sticking point and that can be solved with a pen, or a keyboard if we have computer illiterate leaders
            But if what I said about the impending vacuum in Eritrea, the disintegration of Sudan and then both cases affecting choas in Sudan has better chances of happening than your nightmares of reversing the independence that never was, a thinking that someone has hypnotically implanted in your brain

          • Dear iSem,

            It looks like a sort of a doomsday scenario. There must be a solution somewhere somewhat from somebody. All problems have their solutions, sometimes from unexpected places.
            The Ethiopian card is problematic; a red rug which will infuriate most Eritreans. Ethiopia cannot and should not be entertained even on a theoretical level to fill the power vacuum. It is an affair of Eritreans and Eritreans only. The best thing Ethiopia could do is get in, depose the dictator, and come out in the least possible time. How can this be done if there is not a strong armed Eritrean political group that can control the situation afterwards, and the people are not ready for such a solution? Moreover, the majority of Ethiopians are against any sort of intervention. They support only a situation in which Ethiopia goes to war only in self-defense.
            It is true that the Opposition cannot be counted. Nevertheless, a solution that comes from within the armed forces (especially the disgruntled young officers and soldiers) with the support of the people seems to me the only possible scenario. This way power vacuum and chaos could be avoided. It will be a solution by Eritreans for Eritreans, and a strong democratic government could come to Eritrea. No power can impose such government from outside.

    • HayaT1

      If the US, UK and other powerful nations care about the plight of the people of Eritrea, they will work with Eritreans that have been advocating for change on its applicability. I am not sure if Ethiopia is willing to go by itself unless there is diplomatic, economic and political support primarly from Eritreans and then from the major powers.
      If Eritrea was located somewhere in Western Europe the UN, AU, NATO or any power, eastern or western would have ended the misery.
      Of course, HGDF goons will oppose anything that requires accountability let alone the removal of the maniac. Such allegiance is resonated out of fear of being hold responsible, as they may have taken part in the crimes against Eritreans, or for lack of information of the egregious crimes the HGDF mafia has been committing. As the nature and scope of the crimes are documented in the report, there are enough agreements to seek political change. In either case, the socio- political circumstances in Eritrea and the region are ripe for such actions. It is time to remove the tyrant by hook or crook to end the pain.

      • Hope

        HayaT1:
        Are you the same hayat adem?
        Seems like that based on your rhetoric.
        I reject your rhetoric and approach.
        The PFDJ is NOT the only culprit-but in fact a victim if we have to be honest.
        See my response to Aman Hidrat.
        Who assigned you to be the Prosecutor and the Judge.?
        I quoted aigaforum above for FUN!
        The solution has been simple but not easy.
        -Constructive engagement and respect of International Laws and Norms.
        Eritrea expressed readiness but rather it has been cornered, isolated,contained and sabotaged and sanctioned–for obvious reasons…and to threaten and accuse the party, which/who is willing for Peaceful Engagement simply coz it is weak and vulnerable is but BIGOTRY.
        It takes two to tango though..

        • HayaT1

          Dear Hope,

          I wish you asked yourself what your prior interest is and answer it to yourself so that to understand the feeling of the vast majorities of justice seeking people.
          If your interest is to support the barbaric tyrant, then there is no need to argue. HGDF and its goons have continued making the same rants because they feel entitlement. They are more Eritreans than the rest, and they even have the audacity to equate Eritrea to the tyrant (do you remember the nNesu Nehna; nehna nesu mantra?). The inarguable quest of the time is replacing HGDF by a responsible, inclusive government and PFDJ is not part of it.
          You wrote an oxymoron line to polish HGDF’s ugly image. “The PFDJ is NOT the only culprit-but in fact a victim if we have to be honest” . Really? How on earth has the cruel tyrant become a victim? Trying to climb two trees ubiquitously is illogical. The crimes and offences HGDF has committed and continue to commit on the people of Eritrea, are beyond words. I am not even addressing the very prime victims that have been killed (or dead due to the systematic and deliberate HGDF mistreatment), imprisoned and those that were forced to become refugees. Directly or indirectly, the entire people of Eritrea (minus HGDF goons) are the victims.
          You wrote “Who assigned you to be the Prosecutor and the Judge?” Well, I am neither a prosecutor nor a judge but a person who understands the unfathomable crimes of the barbaric tyrant on the people. You have NO idea how much I abhor to mention his name.
          The tyrant has treated the country as his private property and the people as his personal subjects. The despot is worse than known dictators such as: Hussni Mubarak of Egypt, Muamer Gadhafi of Libya, or Sadam Hussein of Iraq; and i have the feeling his fate is similar the last two.

    • tes

      Selam Hope, you got a nice nickname “grasshopper”. Too much blabla on behalf of the brutal dictator. tes

  • dawit

    Selam Saay,

    You can slice it, summarize it, divide it, multiply it add it subtract it or take the square root of a lie, the answer is always be a lie. Instead of wasting paper and ink to paint Eritrea in the darkest image possible, the UN need to write a one line sentence apologizing to the Eritrean people for all the abuses it has sponsored against them and their nation for three generation over 70 years of UN existence. All other mumbo jumbo staff from Mr. Smith or any UN organization is an entertainment staff only for the
    enemies of Eritrea to dance with. He and his associates can cry till the end of time for not getting a visa to visit Eritrea, he or his members will not step a foot in Eritrean soil. Let alone his so called Commission, the UNSC delegation members were not allowed to enter Eritrea to do their fake enquiry about their fiction on ‘Eritrea-Djibouti border crisis’. He should have learned from history that Eritrea’s independent was not handed in silver platter by UN or any other body like the Queen/King of England, but it was bought by Eritreans martyrs’ sweat and blood. He talked about rule of law, which is real funny when UN law allowed Eritrean sovereign territory to be occupied illegally by its agent. UN rule of low law designed to subjugate Eritrea at every level of its existence. Eritrea trust and follow the Rule of the Almighty based on universal truth of “IGZI-AB-BHER”!
    See you in Geneva, where Eritreans will observe their Martyrs Day on June 21, but I read that your group will be late again this year. Sorry you are going the great Kebero Party!
    Regards,
    dawit

    • haileTG

      Merhaba dawita, we both left and came back to the forum about the same time, welcome to both of us 🙂

      You said “He and his associates can cry till the end of time for not getting a visa to visit Eritrea, he or his members will not step a foot in Eritrean soil. Let alone his so called Commission, the UNSC delegation members were not allowed to enter Eritrea to do their fake enquiry about their fiction on ‘Eritrea-Djibouti border crisis”

      My question is this: If the COI is allowed to Eritrea, will you stop supporting the regime or change your mind on the above and support its new position? BTW they said Asmara immigration office is busy this days with heroic YPFDJ requesting exit visa. Apparently, they are all wearing their costumes of warsay outfits 🙂

      cheers

    • iSem

      Hi Dawit:
      You know nothing martyrs of Eritrea! Oh, I take that back you actually know one or two about the martyrs, you rape their daughters and wives because they are no there to protect them. That is what you do dawit

    • Amanuel

      Hi dawit,

      The truth is that when the Eritreans were ignored by the UN during the colonisation by Ethiopia you were cheering Haileslassie and Mengstu. Now the UN is giving a due attention to the Eritrean people you are on the wrong side again. Please don’t contaminate our Martyrs name, just stay out and go cheer your IA.

  • Hope

    Selam All:

    A nice summary indeed,but not new though but duplication and regurgitation of the same old stuff..

    I would have rest(ed) my case with the Author,the COIE,the SEMG,the UN,the UNHCR,the UNHRC,the AU,the IGAD,etc-,if they have had a GUT and COURAGE to equally address and give us a similar Summary about :

    -What Eritrea and Eritreans have gone through since 1952 in general and since 1991-to-date in particular with out any bias and prejudice.

    No ne has denied the weaknesses, the failure, the crimes, the drawback,etc…by the same victim/defendant in question.

    The same entities and pseudo-justice seekers and Human Rights Pseudo-Advocates are the same ones accusing the zerray-albo Victim and defendant.
    These are the same entities that set up the same victim to:
    -be sanctioned
    -be sabotaged
    -be isolated
    -be Contained
    -to collapse over night
    As a matter of fact,the evidence of the above facts against the same victim by the same accusers is more EVIDENT and easily verifiable compared to the the COIE’s here says
    If the same accusers and wanna-be Human rights Advocates have chosen an honest and impartial approach, we would not be in this situation..
    The COIE miserably failed,albeit deliberately,to answer fully and in detail to item 12d.
    The question should have been expanded to :
    -Why have not you considered(the major root causes of most problems) :
    a)the serious negative role of the lack of border demarcation
    b)the real and perceived threat by the Ethiopia/TPLF Gov
    c)the No War NO Peace Policy against Eritrea
    d)the isolationist and Containment Policy by the same accusers against Eritrea
    e)the negative role of the USA by continuously vetoing against Lifting of the Sanctions
    f)the negative role played by the UNHCR,the USA and the EU for the preferential treatment of Eritrean Refugees, which messed up the ID(ID Theft) of Eritreans and the National Security Interest of Eritrea
    g)the negative role of treating the TPLF preferentially besides backing up fully its Terrorist Activities against Eritrea
    h)the direct and indirect campaign against the EU Fund for Eritrea, the sabotage by the USA against the Bisha Mining,the Eritrean Lines,,the blocking of the GoE/Eritrea for Loans,ect-,are worse than economic Sanctions.-
    I)Why rush into Judgments and Prosecutions and acting against the EU Engagement with Eritrea rather than supplementing to the UPR and constructively engaging the victim or defendant in question?
    j)Why are you targeting exclusively Eritrea only when there are equal bad or even worse performers in Human Rights?
    ect….

  • haileTG

    Selamat Saay,

    Thanks for this service. It really adds to the public’s clarity with the content of COIE. You would be surprised to know that there are many rational Eritreans who follow fair amount of politics, yet they think COIE report is issued by SEMG!! Most think that if IA goes, the country will collapse!! They also think the Emirate and the Saudi are at the Ethio-Eritrea border, ready to repulse any Ethio attack! We need a fool proof handbooks like this one that tells them in clear and concise way, like you do, about events 🙂

    Cheers

  • Tewelde gebremariam

    What the COIE said, that the impostor isaias afewerk and his cabals have been relentlessly Commiting Crimes Against Human Right, is understatement; Genocide would have been more fitting to the grim tragedy that has taken place on the ground in Eritrea.

    Early on, the impostor started isolating the country not only by waging wars with each and every neighboring countries but also by insulting heads of states—– Africans, Europeans, Americans etc.—- on TV and international Conferences. Who would forget his unending rancors with the Peace Keepers, the UN General Secretary, UNSC etc? Add to this, his cleansing the country of all NGOs and prohibiting embassy officials from straying out side Asmera.

    His evil motive for doing all that was to have the country hated and isolated by the international community on his account. But why did he want to have the country hated and isolated? Plunging the country in the darkness of isolation, to commit his heinous crimes with impunity.

    Many unwitting Eritreans attribute his Reign of Terror to power mongering. Not only that, they also think he is trying to unseat woyane from Ethiopian Government. Did they come up with this idea by taking his past into account—— his con artistry on Qiada AL Ama into trusting him and awarding him with prestigious scholarship to Communist China, His witch-hunt on EPLF elites,The demise of ELF, his handing over Of Badme to woyane, the illegal and unnecessary war of 1998 and all that subsequently followed, including the ineffective and polarized so called Eritrean opposition etc.—–? No, they did not. Rather they have been deceived by their magic words and appearances— Orwellian doublespeak.

    The impostor was so sure that his con artistry would work for him to the very end, total annihilation of our country and its people. He was wrong. Now that he is exposed and that his life-chicken dream is in jeopardy, he has undertaken his last resort, war, as a means of handing over our country to woyane. The irony is the so called oppositions are aiding him by parroting and ululating woyane war machine. We must do better than acting like a bunch of children!!!!

    • iSem

      Hi Tewelde G:
      I agree with you! The CoI cannot prove reasonable grounds for Genocide, but we, Erireans know that IA and both the organizations he lead committed crimes against humanity and every year someone comes with untold horror stories. Lately a Paltalk room in Smerr, a former Halewa Sewar agent is telling stoties only seen in Rawanda, murdering prisoners with machetie and burrying them while they were still breathing with blood coming off their noses, there were expert murderes who dislocated shoulders and break necks of prisoners. I know a lot of my friend here and offline will criticize me for taking about history, but without talking about it, we do not have perspective, we do not appreciate the current situation, we can easily be misled
      But the CoI report is what we got, what we can get and it is good start, the rest we have to do ourselves. If you have not listened to it listen to it. Search for videos in youtube with the name Foro12 Smerr room. The good thing is that Foro12 said that some countries in Europe contacted him to provide them with names of the criminals as he was also in Eritrea till 2011, where he heard the thugs killing people by strangling them with wires, so the interest of some countries telsl me that it is good news and as you told me the report will be taken seriously and it can challenge the politics. Like the report last year said that the police depart is committing crimes against humanity he said that it is stuffed with some people who were doing the shoulder and neck dislocations in the jungle.
      My earlier lable of the “alliance of killers” won in Eritrea is even more true. we have a long, steep road ahead of us but I believe that the time is nearing where some of the thugs will be held responsible, the crimes told
      BTW, he also talked about how diaspora Eritreans go to Eritrea and take 3 and 6 months courses and on spying, dawit and nitricc and gheteb come to mind
      Foro also said ones he passes the names of the criminals to the countries that requested it, he will release their names publicly to us
      Shameful past, shameful present and shameful future are the end of IA and his cronies

      • Yonas Abebe

        Dear iSem,
        I don’t know if you know this, but Sudanese President, Omar Bashir, and his top generals were convicted of crimes against humanity many years ago. President Al Bashir and his top generals are still in power. Furthermore, Bashir’s able to travel to most African and Middle Eastern countries. (The ones that DIA would presumably want to travel to. DIA doesn’t go to Europe anymore. Only Africa and Middle East). Additionally, the process takes a while to complete. Assuming DIA is convicted, what happens then? How long will he remain in power? That’s assuming the case goes forward and he is convicted. The bar is very high as you may know in criminal cases. You have to be able to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. How many of those victims will choose to go to trial and get cross-examined by aggressive prosecutors? I am just curious about all this and would love to know what you know about it. Appreciate your response. Thanks bro.

        • iSem

          Hi Yonas:
          Thanks for your comment. Well, we know about Al-Bashir, politics won for now, but I am sure that one day if he is alive he will face the ICC, his case is suspended not dismissed.
          In our case, it is a steep climb, but the accusation is grave and I think many will be willing to testify, people are being empowered, I believe we will know who is named in the report and women and men both victims of torture and rape will testify, if IA is brought to ICC, he has not power so no one will fear.
          I assure you that the PFDJ are wetting their pants now, I am sure. If they change course and allow law and then we do truth and reconciliation , we may let them of the hook in exchange of peace but T&R does not mean they are guilty. This report is a mile stone, the freedom fighter imposers to borrow TG’s word have been exposed to the bone, the CoI are the freedom fighters

        • haileTG

          Hi Yonas,

          The problem is I think with the question many are asking, which is similar to yours. No sanction or ICC referral had ever resulted in ousting a head of state from power. The simple reason being that such is not the immediate objective of those measures. The question we should ask is “does referral to ICC or imposition of sanctions enhance the chances of staying in power for the leader involved or degrade it. The obvious intent is the latter, but research in this area seems to suggest the former. In a nut shell, research indicates that a leadership under such pressure tends to concentrate power towards the center, deprives the oppressed more of the tools they need to organize for mounting challenge, enhances security details and becomes more paranoid and overly controlling. However, sanctions and external censure do undermine the leader’s overall economic and military capabilities. Hence, leaving it vulnerable in the event of external attacks. They can also increase public discontent and give way to more migration and low productivity. Therefore, pinning one’s hope on a single action aimed at the regime in the hope of it becoming a decisive factor for survival is not the correct way to assess the situation.

          Regards

          • Santino

            Selam haile:

            You wrote: “However, sanctions and external censures do indeed undermine the leader’s overall economic and military capabilities. Hence, leaving it vulnerable in the event of external attacks. They can also increase public discontent and may give way to more migration and low productivity.”

            1.Good Lord! How much more migration can we stand? Is this supposed to increase migration again?

            2. “leaving it vulnerable in the event of external attacks?” External attacks from who? Woyane? Is that what it’s supposed to do?
            There has to be a better way to improve the lives of our people.

          • haileTG

            Hi Santino,

            Here follows a quick logical comparison:

            1 – Smoking increases risk of lung cancer and heart disease. True

            2 – People smoke in order to increase their risk of developing lung cancer and heart disease. False

            Now, if we apply that inductive reasoning to the matter at hand:

            1 – Sanctions and intl. censure increase the risk of migration and weakening of defense. True

            2 – Sanctions and intl. censures are imposed in order to increase migration and weaken defense capabilities. False (in Eritrea’s case)

            The Eritrean regime has left no stone unturned to ensure that the sanctions and censures are imposed and remained in place. The by-product being what we’re discussing here.

            Regards

      • Nitricc

        “Lately a Paltalk room in Smerr, a former Halewa Sewar agent is telling stoties only seen in Rawanda, murdering prisoners with machetie and burrying them while they were still breathing with blood coming off their noses, there were expert murderes who dislocated shoulders and break necks of prisoners. I know a lot of my friend here and offline will criticize me for taking about history, but without talking about it,”
        *****Semere only idiots and stupid people believe what they hear and read. Considering your IQ and your trashy mind; i have no doubt why you fall to this kinds of garbage. Dude; how old are you? Wow!!!!!!

      • Tewelde gebremariam

        Hi iSem,

        To convict the impostor isaias afewerk and his cabals on commiting crime of Genocide is still possible. And this possibility is created by him rejecting the decision of the CoI. His challenge is based on two legal requirement to convict. 1. they did not catch him red handed commiting the crime. 2. They do not have any forensic evidence to substantiate their claim.

        When the UNHRC heard his challenge, since he was the one that prevented the CoI from entering Eritrea, they will remind him that he cannot obstruct international law and turn around to benefit from it. This interaction is predictable. The question is, would the UNHRC follow it up by offering him to pick one of two choices—— to accept the guilty verdic, or to allow the CoI to enter Eritrea to do their investigation freely. If he accept the second choice, Genocide will be most the likely verdict.

    • tt lon

      Hi Tewolde and all Awetawiyan!!!!!

      The cruel impostor has done everything by design ….. it has taken long for us to realise…you are absolutely right on all counts.
      Please let us wake up and try to salvage the almost totally destroyed country and society….

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Saay,

    Thank you for the summary to our brothers and sisters who have no apetite of reading to read the entire 94 pages of the report. While they are reading your summary, I will quote some lines to your readers, from the new song of Amanuel Yohannes. In his song, Amanuel represented Eritrea by “ሐምራ ላም ” and our dead souls by “ዓረም ” . He expressed his sorrow and anguish as follows:

    ብቆርበት (ዓረም) ውላዳ እግራ እተሐልከ
    እምባሕ እምባሕ ትብል ብዝሞተ ድምጺ
    ጓጉድ ድሕሪ ጓጉድ ተተቃያየረ
    ህያው’ዩ ዝመስላ ስለዘይተቀብረ::

    This song will knock the heart of PFDJites who haven ‘t feeling whatsoever to the death of our youngs in the seas, deserts, and in the hand organ harvesters. Please listen to the entire song that dipicts our predicament.

    Regards
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat

      Today, while I was reading the usual stuff – how evil PFDJ leaders are, how we will put shacles on their feet, how we are going to parade them to the BOATS, and how we’re going to ship them to the ICC……. thing, I was stunned by Amanuel Hidrat’s favorate song.

      Amanuel: are you really impressed by the depth and content of your Mokhsi’s song? I’m shocked!

      Well, with all due respect to the singer and song writer(s), let me be a very harish critic to the poem/song that impressived you. And Aman ሓወይ: please, please, p-l-e-a-s-e…. don’t make me doubt your mastery of the Tigrigna language 🙂 This poor kids (Amanuel Yohannes) and his writer(s) (responsible for the poem) – if I have to gues – ኣሓ ርእዮም አይፈልጡ: ጓስዮም አይፈልጡ: ዓረም ‘ታይ ይመስል አይፈልጡ: ላም ክትሕለብ ርእዮም አይፈልጡ: ልግo ሰትዮም/በሊዖም አይፈልጡ……. ዋላ ዓዲ ወሪዶም ‘ውን ኣይፈልጡን ‘ዮም:: They just used “big” Tigrigna words that they have no clue about.

      The Tigrigna they know is, Tigrigna ከርጡም ሸጣ (iMokhsi); or Tigrigna of those guys from the Eritrean Ivy League Schools (Comboni); and Tigrigna from the Higher Learning of Bahir-Dar Institute Of Technology. So please guys, leave Tigrigna to ዋናታቱ the ደቂ ደፋእ-ድንኩል ጨጓር-ዳንጋ (the likes ST) who speak Tigrigna that is uncorrupted by civilization.

      And hey, as Mohammed Ali would say: “It ain’t bragging if you can back it up” 🙂

      I know the singer/song writer(s) are from the Amanuel Hidrat opposition (EYSC). And I know when you see Amanuel Hidrat and EYSC on the same page, that says it all. But, but, but… still …….. it is their mother tangue.

      To be fair to Amanuel Hidrat and Amanuel Yohannes, this is the content (poem) in its entireity

      …………………… ዓረም …………………….

      ተምሳለት ናይ ዓረም: ምልክት ክርሕነት – ብቆርበት ውላዳ: እግራ ዝተሓልከት
      ንገርዋ ‘ባ ‘ታ: ልግዐኣ ክትሓብእ – ዘርኣ ከይጸንት: ሰኢና ዝረድእ

      ዝረድኣ ሰኢና: ሓላዪ ደንጋጺ – እንባሕ-እንባሕ ትብል: ብዝመተ ድምጺ
      ጓጉድ ድሕሪ ጓጉድ: ተተቐያየረ – ዘሎ ‘ንድዩ ዝመስላ: ስለ ዘይተቐብረ

      ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………

      ብርኪ ከይተኸለ: ልግዐ ከይቀመሰ – ዓረም ሰሪሖሞ: ገለ ከይኣበሰ
      ሕሰሙ ከይኣኽሎ: ኮይኑ መጻወቲ – ንቡር ተሓሪሙ: ምስ ሞተ ዕርፍቲ

      ደርሆኳ ተለሊ: ውላዳ ጨቓዊት – ሓምራ ግን ትዕንግል: ዘይናታ ኣራዊት
      ውሁብ ኮይኑ ናብራ:ወግሐ-ጸብሐ ወጽዓ – ትዃዕ ከተዐንግል: ውላዳ ሰዊኣ

      ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………

      የዕጽምቱ ደፊኖም: ከይርከቦ ኣሰር – ቆርበቱ መሊኦም: ሓሰር ወዲ-ሓሰር
      የለን ንኸይትብል: ከም ህያው ገረሞ – ጸባኣ ወዲኦም: ደማ ጀሚሮሞ

      ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………ዓረም………

      Now let’s dissect the guts of the poem that impressed Aman

      1. – “ብቆርበት ውላዳ: እግራ ዝተሓልከት”

      ጌጋ:: ማሕለኻ ላም: ብናይ ዝመተ ብተያ ኣይኮነን ዝስራሕ

      2. – “ተምሳለት ናይ ዓረም: ምልክት ክርሕነት”

      ጌጋ:: ዓረም: ምልክት ውላዳ ዝመታ ላም ደኣንበር: ምልክት ክርሕነት ኣይኮነን

      3. – “ንገርዋ ‘ባ ‘ታ: ልግዐኣ ክትሓብእ”

      ላም ከሪሕ ‘ተኾይና: ዝባሃግ: ወይ ጓጉድ ድሕሪ ጓጉድ: ዝሕለብ ጸባ/ልግዐ የብላን

      4. – “ብርኪ ከይተኸለ: ልግዐ ከይቀመሰ – ዓረም ሰሪሖሞ: ገለ ከይኣበሰ”

      ጌጋ:: ዓረም ብኣምላኽ እምበር ብናይ ሰብ ጭካነ ዝመተ ብተይ ኣይኮነን:: ዳርጋ ኩሉ ዓረም ድማ: ብቖርበት ‘ቲ ዝመተ ብተይ ኣይኮነን ዝስራሕ

      4. – “ውሁብ ኮይኑ ናብራ: ወግሐ-ጸብሐ ወጽዓ – ትዃዕ ከተዐንግል: ውላዳ ሰዊኣ” – “ሓምራ ግን ትዕንግል: ዘይናታ ኣራዊት”

      Out of the whole poem this troubles me the most. Remember this is a political poem/song critical of the PFDJ government. Now I need explanination for:

      A. – For the ትዃዕ ብተይ – meaning ‘alien calf’ that is sucking the milk and blood of this very cow that has sacrifised her child/offspring.

      B. – Who is that ትዃዕ ብተይ suppose to be?

      I have a very good idea who the song writer had in mind, but I want to hear it from Amanuel Hidrat as admirer of this song.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ሐው ሰመረ ተስፋይ,

        እዛ መዝሙር እዚአ ክሳዕ ክንዲዚ አብ ቆርበትካ አትያ ቀጭቀጭ ተብለካ ኢለ ግምት አይነበረንን:: ዝኾነ ኾይኑ ግን ካብዚ መልስኻ እዛ መዝሙር ብግቡእ መልእኽታ ከምዘማሕላለፈት ክግንዘብ ኪኢለ አለኹ:;

        ብዛዕባ ቋንቋ ሃገረሰብን አብ ሃገረሰብ ምዕባይን : ንአፍልጦኻን ንምልከት ናይቲ ቋንቋን ዝሕብር እንተደአኾይኑ: አነውን አብ ሃገረሰብ ዝዓበኹን ብቋንቋ ሃገረሰብ ተመልሚለን ተኾስኪሰን ዝዓኾኽኩ ከምዝኾንኩ ክሕብረካ እፈቱ:: እቲ ጉራን ፈኸራን ገዲፍካ እዛ መዝሙር ንዓኻን ከማኻን ነቲ አብ መንእሰያትና ዝወርድ ዘሎ ሐሳረመከራ ንምዝኽኻርን: ካብ ምስቲ ጨቋኒ መንግስቲ እትውግኑ ምስ ህዝብኹም ንኽትውግኑ ተዛኻኽር እያሞ ሳምራይ ሐደራኻ::

        ሐውኻ/ብጻይካ
        አማኑኤል ሕድራት

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Amanuel and Semere T.,
          When I read yesterday a sanza of the lyrics of a song shared by Amanuel, I understood its message and thanked him for sharing it. Under the current conditions, I didn’t miss its relevance. But, now after reading the comments of some brothers like Semere, I began to wonder why one had to toil to dig into the intricacies of the language. I thought shifting to discussing semantics or the philology of the language at this time cannot but aimed at diverting attention from topical issues of the moment. Of course with readiness to be corrected if I misunderstood the issue and misrepresented the intention of the brothers who jumped to sorting out the linguistic aspects of the lyrics in the song.
          Ismail AA

      • Kokhob Selam

        ሰመረ ሓወይ :-
        እዚ ልቢ ዝትንኪ ቅኒትን ግጥምን ሲ ኣብ ቲ ከመሓላልፎ ደልዩ ዘሎ ኣገዳሲ ነጥቢ ድኣ ምስ ኣተኮርካሉ እምበር ክንዲ’ ዚ ዶ ክትጫጭሖ ምተገበአ :: እቲ በቀንዱ ኮ ህግደፍ መንእሰያት ይጠፍኡ ከምዘይተኣመነን ገና ተደናገጽቱ ነቲ ሓቂ ክሪኡ ዘይምኽኣሎም ወይ ንውልቃዊ ጠቅምታቶም ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝቢ ምጭካኖም እዩ ጸጊሙ ዘሎ : እምበር ቋንቋን ባህልን ወሪድዎም ዘሎ በደል ካብ ሕብረተሰብ ውሪድዎ ዘሎ በደል ዝፍለ ድዩ ? ኣብ ሓንቲ ሰባ ከንቱ ዝጠፍኡላ ሃገር ድኣ ሞ ቃላት ዶ ብግብእ ተሰሪዑ ኣብ ኣገልግሎት ይውዕሉ እዮም :: ምሕሳብን ምዝራብን ዝኸልከልካዮ ህዝቢ ዶ ንቛንቛ በገባብ ክጥቀመሉ ይኽእል እዩ :: ዳሕራይ ቛንቛ መራኸብን መሳርሕን እንተኾይኑ ሰባት ብህይወት ሃልዮም ብስራሕ ምስ ዝምዕብሉ ዶ ኣይኮነን ዝምዕብል ::

        ኣይፍልካን ዝሓወይ :-

      • taco bravo

        Mr. Semere….
        As far as they are communicating with the public what is the need to know this and that. we are talking about current events and you are trying to be the professor of the tigrigna language.
        peace.

  • Sembel

    Thank you awate.

  • Ismail AA

    Ahlen Saleh and others,
    Very useful summary report. It helps those of us who are laymen on legal issues, and throws light on many issues pertaining to legal procedures and understanding terms. Thanks.