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Come And See (What We Want You To See)!

The good news is that the Eritrean opposition and the Eritrean government have started talking to one another. The bad news is that it is proxy talks: it is discussions by our favorite foreigners. Pro-oppo Foreigner Narrative: Eritrea is one of the worst violators of human rights and exporters of asylum-seekers; an outlaw regime that governs without constitution. Pro-Government Foreigner Narrative: The Eritrean government is obsessed with peace, social justice, development whose policies are working despite the strong forces rooting for its failure. In this corner in red trunks: Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Committee to Protect Journalists, Reporters Without Borders, Transparency International. In the opposite corner in blue trunks: French documentary film-makers Petit OEil; Russian TV host of “Going Underground” program; the Asmara-based think tank “Africa Strategies”; the UNDP Resident Representative in Eritrea (Christine Umutoni), the South African Ambassador to Eritrea (Professor Iqbal Jhazbhay) and a new player: the Deputy Director, Africa Center for the Atlantic Council (Bronwyn Bruton.) Let’s have a clean fight!

I. Come And See: Brownyn Bruton

The supporters of the Eritrean government have been trying to recruit Ms Bruton since 2009, with the coming out-party memorialized on April 12, 2014 when she joined a panel with fire-breathing government supporter Dr. Ghidewon Abay-Asmerom and moderated by Dr. Asgede Hagos, boss of the badly-named Organization of Eritrean Americans (OEA). So if we hope to persuade her to see things a bit differently, some investment is needed and that requires accurately summarizing what she said in an interview with Voice of America’s “Press Conference USA”, and then rebutting them. Here’s my attempt:

1. Size of Eritrean Exodus: Ms. Bruton argues that not all people who claim to be Eritrean refugees are Eritrean refugees. Some are Sudanese, Somali, Ethiopians representing themselves as Eritrean to take advantage of Europe’s treatment of Eritreans as automatic asylum recipients.

The problem here is with the word “some.” Is it 50% or 5% or 0.5%? Since the context here was the recent tragedy of yet-another-sank boat which claimed the lives of 350 Eritreans, Ms. Bruton’s answer sounded dangerously close to the talking points of the Eritrean government which is always disowning its own citizens. Those who have had first-hand experience in interacting with asylum-seekers and authors who have researched and written about this issue could clarify it by publishing surveys so we don’t have to rely on anecdotal information.

2. The Border War & Its Aftermath: Ms Burton states that the Eritrea-Ethiopia border conflict resulted in the death of 30,000 Eritreans. One of the causes of the war, she says, was Ethiopia’s refusal to accept Eritrean independence. Then she explains that despite the fact that the terms [of the Algiers Agreement] were “firm and final” and despite the fact that the United States is the guarantor of the Agreement, Ethiopians have refused to abide by its terms, because they can: the US won’t pressure them because it needs them in the war against terrorism.

The death-toll from the Eritrea-Ethiopia border conflict was officially announced at 20,000 so I am sure that’s an innocent mistake. I hadn’t heard that Ethiopia’s refusal to accept Eritrean independence was one of the causes of the war but she probably misspoke on that and she means Eritrean economic independence? Beyond that, it is really an exhausted issue: is the US a Guarantor or a Witness of the Algiers Agreement? This has been discussed ad nauseum and the US and the UN have said we are only witnesses and not guarantors. Yes, Ethiopia did accept in advance that the ruling of the boundary commission would be final and binding. Yes Ethiopia has refused to unconditionally implement the Eritrea-Ethiopia Boundary Commission ruling. Yes, the United States (two administrations now) either can’t or won’t compel Ethiopia to abide by the ruling. Now what? It has been over a decade of stalemate.  As an Africa Expert, Ms Bruton is offering no breakthroughs, just taking us back to a decade-and-half long argument.

3. Sanctions and Censure: Eritrea is a shell-shocked nation. I saw the World War II type of trenches and photographs. Eritreans feel under siege due to the economic sanctions, the UN censure and Ethiopian strikes. I am a long-standing expert on Somalia. I have talked to a lot of Somalis. Nobody says Eritrea was a primary driver of the Somali conflict but almost every Somali will say Ethiopia was. There are no grounds for maintaining those sanctions in Eritrea. There is no evidence for maintaining those sanctions. The second reason Eritrea was sanctioned was for demanding 2% tax from its Diaspora. The Eritreans haven’t disowned their citizenship, when they leave they say they are oppressed to get asylum but they leave for economic reasons.

Ms. Bruton would have benefited from talking to exiled Eritreans to see who the guilty party is for Eritreans being shell-shocked. If she saw the World War II type of trenches and photographs, I am sure she saw the Tank Cemetery in Asmara. There are containers in the premises of the tank cemetery holding Eritrean prisoners. Prisoners in a container. That’s what’s shell-shocking us: holding Eritreans in containers. (video below, courtesy of the BBC.) Ms. Bruton believes that Al-Shabab evolved from an armed re-liberation group to a terrorist. If they had been engaged, perhaps they wouldn’t have been radicalized. While Ms. Bruton was expressing this viewpoint in writing, another person who held the same view, President Isaias Afwerki, was doing more than writing op-ed pieces. He became a conduit of arms for Somalia armed groups, AS DID MANY MANY other nations, including Ethiopia. The problem is that both Bruton and Isaias Afwerki are on the losing side of the argument: the rest of the world believed that the Djibouti Conference, which excluded Al-Shabab, was the path to peace and stability for Somalia. While Ms. Bruton can continue to write essays bemoaning this, Eritrea has been punished for holding a “spoiler”view. Unfortunately, that is how the world works, particularly if, as Eritrea did, you choose to isolate yourself by withdrawing from IGAD and then your head of state uses his State media to insult the world.  It is another in a series of miscalculations by the Isaias Afwerki administration and it is Eritreans who are paying for it.

Eritrea was sanctioned the first time not just for its role in Somalia but because it, astonishingly, repeatedly refused to acknowledge and deal with its conflict with Djibouti. (It did, but only AFTER the sanctions.) The sanctions weren’t imposed by the United States strong-arming the UN Security Council. The vote was 13 votes in favor, 1 against (Libya) and 1 abstention (China.) Russia voted for it. Moreover, the sanctions were mostly targeted: arms embargo, travel ban and asset freeze on political/military leaders who would be named later: they haven’t been named to this date; no asset has been frozen. The second sanction was for Eritrea’s refusal to comply with the first sanction which had, among other things, demanded that it stop hosting armed agitators in the region and release Djibouti prisoners of war.  During that period, Eritrean state media was essentially an expo of armed Ethiopian opposition groups training and declaring phantom victories against Ethiopia. Isaias Afwerki was essentially daring the Security Council to sanction him, and it did. The resolution for the second sanction was passed with 13 votes in favor and 2 abstentions (China and Russia) and without any no-votes.

The point is that after the first sanction, rather than moderating its behavior, the Eritrean government went full-retard and got an even more draconian sanction. So who is responsible? Ms. Bruton is also out of her element when discussing the 2% tax when she compares it with the US expatriate tax. An American who doesn’t pay expatriate tax is a tax dodger and, after due process, receives penalties, which may include jail term. A Diaspora Eritrean who doesn’t pay 2% “rehabilitation” tax for a country that continues to need rehabilitation for policies pursued by a government we didn’t elect, may lose his/her Eritrean identification card and will, just like any foreigner, ask for a tourist visa to travel to his/her country. And since, unlike Ms. Bruton, there is little chance that s/he will come back to his/her adapted country to sing the praises of his/her native country, the embassy may deny him/her a visa. Such an Eritrean can’t even fly the remains of his dead family members to be buried back home and cannot deal with simple matters–inheritance, power-of-attorney designation, school transcripts, birth certificate issuance–that are fee-based and/or dealt with a family court here in the United States (whether you are a tax-dodger or not.) So, it is apples and oranges.

4. They Deserve A Lot Of Credit: I am calling for lifting the sanctions and re-engaging…because there is such lack of opportunity in the country. Nobody has jobs: there is nothing but the national project. If there is one thing Eritreans are terrified of is non-conformity. Despite this, Eritrea has managed to move forward. If you look at the education system, healthcare system, welfare system, they have accepted their isolation. It is amazing. I have to say I was astonished. And they have done it, they really have done it. They deserve a lot of credit.

The argument here is that the Eritrean government is doing well despite the fact that it is severely handicapped. This is like saying, “I saw a man with one leg finish a race” without considering why he has one leg to begin with. Would you reconsider your viewpoint if you learned he amputated his leg? The reason some of us are reluctant to give them credit is because, unlike Ms Bruton, Professor Jhazbhay, Ms Umutoni, we are not comparing Eritrea with its amputated version, but with the one that had a massive outpouring of goodwill from every Eritrean citizen and how the government squandered and continues to squander this goodwill by demanding that everybody kiss its ring and agree with its vision for the country.

The reason for the lack of opportunity is not the sanctions but because the government has pursued totalitarian policies that have robbed and emptied out the country of entrepreneurs and job-creators who are now busy creating jobs in Ethiopia, South Sudan, Kenya and Uganda. The reason there are no jobs is not because Eritrea doesn’t have a good relationship with the US—it has excellent relationship with China, the most relevant country in Africa—it is because the government insists on dominating the market and has the worst record in the world for encouraging private businesses.

5. Change Is Coming: There is a process of change. Eritrean officials say they have stopped indefinite conscription. They have quietly demobilized 100,000 in the last year, without anyone knowing it. Only 5% of the National Service have been there for more than 18 months, at this point. They have re-started the re-writing of the constitution. The president has appointed a chairperson to take on that task. In his interview with me, the president affirmed his commitment to equality and human rights and said those are the foundations he uses to govern. And Eritrea did spontaneously release six journalists in January [2015.]
Years ago, in the middle of the Eritrea-Ethiopia war, I had a flame war with a Western NGO worker then stationed in Mekele, Ethiopia who told me that I should take Ethiopia’s version of events because he had “information advantage.” He, by virtue of his position, knew things I didn’t know and therefore I should yield to him.  This is what Ms Bruton is saying.

This part of the interview of Ms Bruton was the cringe-worthy, “peace in our times” Chamberlain like moment for me. First of all, none of what Ms Bruton is claiming are publicized in any of the government press. True, the Eritrean government sometimes finds it more useful to share information at the “seminars” it conducts (seminars now attended only by true believers) and via its wahyo (cells.) But the reason it does this is so it can deny them. If you announce news “quietly” you can disown it “quietly.”  It is not, as Ms. Burton suggests, a case of people who don’t like to publicize their work, but a case of a government that wants no accountability and wants the flexibility to reverse in the afternoon decisions made in the morning.  Even if it is true, if it announces it, people will ask: why now? why not 10 years ago.

Listening to this part of Ms Bruton’s representation brought to mind two words: Linda Loman. In The Death of A Salesman, everybody except Linda Loman knew that her husband Willy was a compulsive liar. “Senior government officials told me”, “the president told me…”  Ms Bruton, that and $2 may get you a tall coffee at Starbucks: they are notorious for their empty promises, all of which are communicated privately and verbally. Does she even know what the president means by “human rights”?  It is not what she thinks it means.  If only she knew what else happened in January 2015 when the government “spontaneously” released six journalists (were they sentenced? Were they given a verdict? Did they have visitation rights? Was there due process? Ms. Bruton either didn’t ask or didn’t get an answer.) If she only knew multiples of six were arrested, tortured, disappeared or, having given up hope, exiled, she would see how ridiculous her assertion sounds. Did she ask why the Eritrean constitution, which took two years to write and was ratified in 1997, was dropped and by what authority since a head of state can’t unilaterally write, re-write, adopt, orphan constitutions? Did she ask what is the name of the “chairman” who was appointed—because the State media forgot to mention that too. Ms Bruton would be well advised to listen to the BBC interview linked below (I know, I know, they provide the “conventional narrative”) but it would give her an insight how the Eritrean government has made deception its currency.

6. Change Is Coming to Eritrea With or Without the United States. I believe firmly in bringing ‘Eritrea in from the cold.’ Eritreans anger at the US is justified. I am frustrated I don’t see any change on our side [American.] There is stubbornness on both sides. I don’t expect change because there are senior people in the [American] government like our National Security Advisor [Susan Rice] who are bottlenecks. The real actors here are the Europeans: that is who is engaging Eritrea.

So, in the end, for Ms Bruton, this is not about Eritrea but the United States and her personal role in it. It is not a coincidence that a long Africa-hand, Herman Cohen, had also called for “bringing Eritrea in from the cold” (to which Isaias Afwerki replied: what cold?) Ms. Bruton, an American patriot, is agonizing about American loss of influence in Africa. What Ms Bruton is doing is perfectly acceptable, legal, moral, ethical in the United States: polishing your resume to navigate better between think tanks, NGOs and government. These have their own convention and Ms. Bruton is following them. Consider: Ms. Bruton is an Africa expert working for a think tank. Said think tank (Atlantic Council) has a very busy revolving door to and from the government–Jon Huntsman, Scrowcroft, Chuck Hagel, James L Jones, Richard Holbrook, General Shineski, Ann-Marie Slaughter and, yes, Susan Rice, just to name a few all have revolved in and out of the Atlantic Council and the government. Her immediate supervisor, the ubiquitous J Peter Pham, was a consultant to the doomed presidential candidacy of John McCain. Not that there is anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld would say, but context is important.

For an Africa Expert, there is a formula. If the US has a bad relationship with an African country, you advise that the US reconsider its position; if the US has a good relationship with an African country, you also advise that the US reconsider its position.

For example, the US has a bad relationship with Somalia. So Ms Bruton wrote an essay entitled: “Somalia: A New Approach.” The keywords used in new approaches are “reboot”, “reset”, “rethink”, “reconsider.” For example, the US relationship with Kenya was deteriorating after Kenya’s election. J. Peter Pham just described Kerry’s visit to Kenya as “reset of the relationship.” In contrast, the US has a good relationship with Ethiopia. Following the formula,  Ms Bruton wrote an essay entitled: “US Policy Shift Needed In Ethiopia.” (The one that made the Eritrean government officials her fans.) In “US Policy Shift Needed In Ethiopia”, Bruton argued that the US should not be supporting a government that imprisons journalists and provides no political space to its opposition and does not have an independent civil society. Sounds good to me. But in its Eritrea equivalent (let’s call it: US Policy Shift Needed in Eritrea), she is recommending that the US engage Eritrea DESPITE the fact that its treatment of journalists and opposition is much worse than that of Ethiopia and there is no civil society period in Eritrea and elections, as she said knowingly after she was so charmed by the intelligence of Isaias Afwerki, “won’t happen any time soon.”

So it is all a game. The same week that the supporters of the Eritrean government were giddy about Bruton’s endorsement of their government, the supporters of the Ethiopian government bagged a bigger fish: Wendy Sherman, US Under Secretary for Political Affairs which described Ethiopia as a democracy. (Bruton was chortling at that.)

So, to me, this is an American-experts feud that has little to do with us. It is likely that Bruton and Rice will trade places: Rice, after the end of the Obama term, will be back to think tanks and Bruton may become an “adviser” to Hillary Clinton or whoever runs against her.  And the band marches on. And, in the end, Ms Susan Rice and Ms Bruton and Ms Sherman are likely to meet at some cocktail function and have a pleasant conversation about us Africans. Unlike us foolish Eritreans who are good at marginalizing our tiny population and would never mingle.

II. Come And See (BBC)

“Come and see!” is a common refrain from the Eritrean government and its supporters. Every government supporter who tours Eritrea and comes back challenges any assertion with “go and see for yourself!” In his interview with Petit OEil, French-documentarians, President Isaias Afwerki invites the viewers, “come and see!” Another documentary by Petit OEil is entitled “Come and See.” Meanwhile, in the documentary by African Strategies (Africa: The Other Narrative), the Dean of Halhale College, Dr. Estifanos Hailemariam, says “Come and see: seeing is believing!”

What shall we see if we come? We will see, according to “Eritrea: The Other Narrative”, a country which believes in resolving conflicts through dialog (tell that to the G-15); a country which has shown impressive improvement in health, literacy, education, agriculture, environment, water conservation, roads, telecommunications and construction. A country where education is free from elementary to post-secondary and, sometimes, even post-graduate studies. A country that has replaced one university with 7 colleges. A country which is focused on long-term sustainable development based on its pillars of self-reliance, social justice and ethnic/religious harmony. A country that has, despite externally driven political and economic challenges, built four major dams and is well on its way to guaranteeing food security; a country built brick-by-brick by its youth; a country where citizenship is not defined by birth but contribution to country; a country where National Service is multi-purposed: productive use of youth labor; socialization process for a multicultural society. A country which has registered tangible progress in the living standards and quality of life of all its citizens, particularly those in remote areas. Add a nice island-music to this, as African Strategies does, and it is “where is the Eritrean embassy and how do I get a visa?”

But.

Isn’t it odd that a government, which so wants to showcase its success, is so limiting of access? Why does a government, which is so proud of its accomplishments, expel journalists and/or admit them conditionally, as it did with the BBC a few weeks ago? Why are embassies in Eritrea restricted to Asmara and require special permits to travel outside Asmara? The answer really is that the “come and see” is “come and see what we want you to see.”

“Development, Heroism, Blah Blah Blah”

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) put this to the test. It was invited conditionally: we want you to come in and celebrate our achievements in Millennium Development Goals 4, 5, 6 (those dealing with healthcare.) In other words, its was the standard “Come and See What We Want You To See” invitation ten years after the Eritrean government had expelled the BBC correspondent who was there to see what he wanted to see and had the nerve to report it. The BBC agreed and visited clinics and hospitals spread throughout Eritrea.  The UNDP Resident representative played host to some of them (Does she pay 2% rehabilitation tax, by the way?)

But the BBC is also concerned about things like journalistic integrity so it kept telling its viewers that throughout the visit it had Eritrean “minders” who controlled its every move including who it talked to or didn’t talk to. For example: the Eritrean members of National Service who are seen building a house. Are they, as Eritrean asylum-seekers assert, building houses for Eritrean colonels and generals and doing it against their will? Or are they, as the Eritrean “minder” asserts, individuals who “volunteered” to help build a neighborhood house? The BBC tells us: it can’t help us because it was not allowed to interview the youth. In fact, the BBC tell us its producer evaded his minders and attempted to interview Eritreans without their minders and that 37 out of 37 Eritreans refused to be interviewed. Is this because Eritreans are “shell-shocked” by Ethiopia or by their arrest-disappear-torture happy government? That’s what the BBC reporter saw and that’s what she reported.

In fact, one of the most stunning pieces of the BBC interview is a visit to the “tank cemetery” in Asmara. This is a historic place where all the war instruments the Ethiopians used in the 30-year long revolution are stacked as a museum piece. But somewhere within the wreckage are shipping containers. The BBC reporter who had heard from asylum-seekers and human rights organizations say that these shipping containers are used as jails, asks her minder to approach a group of Eritrean men guarding the containers to ask questions. The guards tell the BBC reporter that they have work to do and that she shoot her documentary elsewhere. Unbeknownst to them, the BBC keeps filming and, if you understand Tigriniya, and if you have family members who are arrested (and who doesn’t in Eritrea?) what they say may send shivers down your spine if you consider that the container in the background may house tortured prisoners. Here’s what they say at the 7:27 mark:

እንታይ ኢልና መስለኪ: ኮንተይነራት ኣይትስኣሉ ኢና ኢልናያ። ብዙሕ ‘ውን ብዛዕብኡ ክሓቱና ኣይንደልዮምን ኢና:: ጥራሕ እቲ ናይ ዕብየት ናይ ጀግንነት ናይ ገለ ናይ ገለ ፤ እዚስ ናይ ስራሕ እዩ ናይ ገለ ኢልኪ ዕጸውዮ::

Translation: “What we told her is: don’t videograph containers. And we don’t want them to ask questions about it. Just [focus on] development, heroism, blah blah. Just close the issue by telling them that this is related to work [operational issues.] blah blah.”

The minder follows the instructions of her minders and in a transparent and comical attempt at quickly-changing-the-subject, literally says, “look, over there, there is an old train!”

III. Development vs Cost

Actually “look, over there, an old train” is not just figurative but literal. In the 1990s, the government turned down a loan from the Italian government to reconstruct and modernize the Asmara-Massawa train tracks that the Italians had built in 1932.  It brought back retired old men (this was before the National Service) to lay-down the tracks which had been dismantled and used for setting up war bunkers for decades.  The tracks are now good for tiny steam-engine trains.  This now has two narratives: for the government and its supporters, it exemplifies self-reliance. For the opposition, it is an example of lost opportunity because a modernized railroad, with the right government policies, could have made Eritrea a mecca for tourists.

We in the opposition focus on the cost being paid for “development”—a country without laws, due process, verdict, constitution, accountable government—and the government and its supporters focus on the development— health, literacy, education, agriculture, environment, water conservation, roads, telecommunications and construction and national defense. On balance, I think, we in the opposition have the moral high ground. This is because a country can develop without torturing, disappearing and killing its citizens. A country can develop while taking measured, guided, baby steps towards democracy. A country can develop while having an independent press.

For the Eritrean government, the “Look! Over there! An Old train” used to be the Human Development Index (HDI), a metric developed by a Pakistani and Indian economist who argued that the key performance indices (KPI) used by the West were inapplicable to developing country. The HDI completely did away with any concern of what type a government a country had—democracy or tyranny—and what matters is whether a country is developing. Consequently, according to HDI, Cuba (a police state), is considered “Very High Human Development” state, ranked higher than Croatia, Latvia and Russia. Cuba is a model state for Eritrea, apprently. The HDI morphed into Millennium Development Goals (MDG), quantifiable targets to be met by the developing world between 1990 and 2015.

Now, whenever the Eritrean government points to MDG 4,5,6 (the healthcare related performance), the healthy response is, “it is good for our people and good on you!” In fact, the avatar I use in Disqus is the image that is on the cover of UNDP’s “Health Millenium Development Goals Report Abridged Version: Innovations Driving Health MDGs in Eritrea.” But this should always be followed by (a) what about MDG 1,2,3,7, 8?  Particularly MDG 1? Isn’t that crucial? (b) Is MDG really an adequate standard to measure a country’s performance since it doesn’t address issues like governance: the only place “parliament” is mentioned in the MDG is when asking about gender parity: how many parliamentarians are male, how many female?  Well, we are at parity: we have 0 men and 0 women in parliament. Yay.) (c) Doesn’t MDG favor small countries like Eritrea since, statistically, it is easier to to meet its goals (reduce by half, by 2/3, by 3/4) when dealing with small population? (d) Is Eritrea’s case truly unique or is this success shared by other African countries? And if it is shared by other African countries, is the price that Eritreans are paying for this outcome—no constitution, no justice, no due process, no voice in choosing the national government—a price too steep? What percentage of the population is not benefiting because they are exiled or in jail?

These and other issues are what Eritreans, pro-government and opposition should be discussing and debating among ourselves just as the Brutons, Rices and Shermans are discussing what is in the best interest of the United States.  Why do we need proxies?

About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • Haile Zeru

    Hi All,
    The writers of the document in : http://assenna.com/a-swift-effective-and-lasting-solution-to-the-eritrean-nightmare-a-short-thesis-on-strategy-by-our-voice/

    said

    “…..We have to, therefore, focus on this single and weak individual, isolate
    him from the chickens surrounding him and strike him hard like a laser
    beam and knock him out of the game – politically that is…..”,

    This is the mistake many Eritreans committed and most of them paid with their lives. From መንካዕ to brahim Affa to G-13 and G-15. Even if badly planned and badly executed Wedi Ali was on the right track.
    Political games do not work with Issayas. Despite their clever analysis the authors of the document did not learn from the past history of Eritreans. Past mistakes are lessons to be avoided yet our friend did not evaluate them.

    • haileTG

      Haha Haile WM,

      Good observation! And the other one is that the only essence we are supposed to trust, yet not see is God/Allah. But our politics seem to create many franchised gods modeled after the almighty:-)

    • Peace!

      Dear Haile Zeru,

      BINGO! Thank you, and the ironic is that there are people in the opposition side who blindly support any thing against PIA, I mean anything. This is exactly why the opposition groups have been in regress motion for the last decade or so.

      Regards

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Peace,
        this might be very tiny part.There are several cases still you didn’t notice. from what I notice living in past has badly damaged the journey. the most big portion is I think oppositions shortcomings in handling organization – I mean the lack of art in leading. this includes the security side. some are a playing ground of PFDJ. and PFDJ have a full well organized spying style. not only that PFDJ’s office has a complete set up of method on how to make confusing after spying and getting complete information. I am very much worried of this weakness. security security and security. that is the arm that should be very much handled.

        • Peace!

          Dear Kokhob,

          I think you are giving PFDJ too much credit. Nevertheless, the bottom line is when you have a dying patient begging you to help him save his life; as a doctor, would you try to save his Life first, or lecture him about his deseas and let him die waiting, and then blame the diseas?? That’s exactly the relationship between Eritrean people and the opposition groups.
          Regards

      • Hope

        Peace:
        The secret here is:
        Noting Acting swiftly on a STAT basis,rather than giving a single chance to the Spy Agents,who always are part of the ” Plot”!
        Why would it take them to say or act 30- 40yrs?
        The irony was, is and wil be that those who were/ are supposed to do the job,for the most, are and were the back bone of the same Beast,and as such,the likelihood of succeeding will remain slim as it has been!
        We forget that the Security Apparatus of the EPRP is guided by:
        -imposing Fear and Mistrust among ERITREANS including among family members
        -Use of serious corruption at all levels and of all kinds to its best level among the Mid and Top Levels of the Military
        -Bypassing the nominal leaders and raking directly with the low level de favorite leaders
        -keeping the most ignorant /illiterate and uneducated Low Level Officers in all major paying to have an easy control of all activities
        -frequent reshuffling,demotion and freezing( midiscal) of Leaders and Ministers!
        Etc,…
        Knowing all these organizational security tactics,the Opposion should learn from these and act accordingly!

        • Peace!

          Dear Hope,

          Not that they are not capable of doing the job given that there are many smart people in all sectors. The problem lies on decision making process that they don’t seem to have enough power to make independent decisions with TPLF hovering around their necks.

          Regards

  • Semere Andom

    Dear All:
    For Sal and Ghezae 🙂

    የልኹን ሳልሓይ!!!
    ኣይነበርኩ፡ ኣይነበረኒ
    እኖይ እርትራ ደኣ ዘይተመርዓወት ዘይተደርዓወት
    ዳንክራ ኢዩ ነሩ እቲ ዝሰማዕኩማ ዕልልታ
    እኖይ ድኣ ዘይወልደት ዘይዘምደት
    ድቂ እያ ዝነጸለት
    እቲ ሕማን ሕርሲ ትያትሮ እዩ ዝነበረ
    ግን ትምኒት ነበራ ቅዋም ክትሰምየኒ
    ቅዋመይ ድማ ናይ ቅብጥሮት
    ስለዚ አይትህለኹ
    ብሓልፍ መንገዲ ሰላምታ ክትሰዱ
    ረቂቃን ድኣ ዘይንርእ
    ስውራት እና ክም ደቂ ሕድርትና
    ኣብ ሕልምኹም እና ቕጅል ንብል
    ጸላም ወዲና
    ሽዑ የወሃት ይመስለኩም ዘለና
    ነዳይ ናይ ልቡ ስለ ዝሓስብ
    ሃሰስ ትብሉና
    ምናልብሽ ኣብ እርጋንኩም
    ክም ሳራን አብርሃምን እንተፈርኹም
    ሓደራኩምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምምም
    ቅዋም ክይትብልዋ
    ክምቲ ናታይ ዕጫ ክየግጉንፋ
    ተኸኣ ድኣ በልዋ
    ሽም ይመርሕ
    ጥዋፍ የብርህ
    ኮይኑ እንተተመሰሰለላ
    ቅዋመይ ክይትብልዋ
    እቲ ሓሳድ ከይቅንኣላ
    መሲልዎ ዘለዋ ሓለፋ
    Semere Andom
    May 18, 2015

  • Mahmud Saleh

    The question should be
    Where is the reformation of the opposition? The season in which one can flourish admonishing his/her opponent is usually very short. The tide one can surf to glory could be cut short. T

    • saay7

      Seni’t masekum Mahmouday:

      Who are you addressing and why is your computer sabotaging you? 🙂 No comment on the opposition until SGJ gives us an update on the status of forces: alaHyae wal’amwat:)

      saay

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahalan Saleh

        Yes, the computer “misfired” but the messages is abridged (per you honor’s recommendation) in the form of the reply I gave to Ted. AND I inserted a greeting in the original one.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbr2j2fQUA

    • Ted

      Selamat Dear The Great MS. Short and to the point message to opposition. Timing is critical in our messy situation. There is no Eritrean(~o%) who is happy with what happening in our country. Amanuel will agree with me saying it even he is stickler for census and statistics. The opposition need to learn how to be trusted by all Eritreans for our common problem, so far i don’t see any progress towards working with people and narrowing their difference to be more palatable for Eritreans but the same old mantra to “weed out” PFDJ by any means necessary. And we need to understand PFDJ doesn’t make things easier as time goes by and the idea PFDJ will fall under its own weight is just a dream( even your Bad Gangsta friend knows it:-), it has to face strong opponent.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dearest Ted and ኣንጋፋው SAAY
        Ted: Saleh figured it out my message was fired off prematurely. I was to say more. But I will respect SAAY and will hold into my opinion until Ustaz Saleh Gadi’s article come up.
        But the gist was just like an organism that keeps revitalization and regeneration while keeping its systems clear of toxicity (foreign and internal) a political organization also needs to revitalize itself. The first order of the hour is an honest self-assessment. To the average person both sides, the government and the oppositions, have ben given ample time. We need deliverance now, Eritreans are eager to help. All the political leaders need to do is to come to the bases and ask for inputs from the masses rather than doing closed meetings with their members. Ted, the change should come from within through domestic dynamics. Diaspora could play an important role by acting as a catalyst, most civic and professional opposition are doing that. But activism by itself without a clear political framework is just activism. Those activists could play a vital role in reminding the political leaders in readjusting their antennae in order sort out the waves, listen to the calls of Eritreans for unity of action: unity between the fractured oppositions and linking up that force with the domestic efforts. I have been entertaining this idea for a long time and I have not found any convincingly countervailing trend. Anyway, I will stop here, and let’s wait for the article. But I have to let you know how U admire your firm stance on believing that a wrong is wrong whether done by PFDJ or the oppositions. Eritreans need no conferences, or communiques or ranting of describing PFDJ. They know it. They also know the opposition. But the idea of opposing injustice is so noble that we want to see forces that claim to be standing for the rectification of injustice do better. That’s why we criticize. Opposing injustice is also an inalienable right of every citizen AND WE don’t want any one to give us a license for undertaking it or give us a certificate of performance (genuine versus fake opposition). Eritreans should feel free to criticize any political organization that speaks on their behalf. There is no Alpha and Omega in resisting injustice.
        Whether the opposition will reform for the sake of the nation and come to its senses, know its limits, and include new ideas and blood (women and youth), be adapting to changing landscape of Eritreans’ expectation, or PFDJ is going to, once again, outsmart* it by speeding up reformation is up in the air. Eritreans should not feel beholden to any group but to the betterment of their lives and livelihoods, including the rule of law.
        Happy independence Month.
        * Disclaimer: I am watching a lot of ERI-TV (dawit aleKa ‘do), and youtube clips.

        • saay7

          Wo MaHmuday:

          I was saying that I, speaking for me myself and I, will have no comment on the Oppo until SGJs post; I wasn’t implying you shouldn’t. SGJ has promised to update us on the AlAHyae wel amwat…Fasting is voluntary and I oppose conscription and conformity 🙂 Speaking of Eri-TV, I hear it has changed its tag line to: “Eri-TV: why the hell not?” It beat “Eri-TV: what else is there to watch when u are homesick?”

          saay

    • Nitricc

      Mahmuday the great; let me answer you. The opposition are waiting for order from the Weyane for their next move. The Weyane are in state of confustion due fast and confusing moves of PFDJ. It is funny how the Weyane get pissed off when ever a country talks with Eritrea.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        What’s up Gen.Nit
        Well, first of all I’m going to hold you on your prediction that IA will empty Eila-Ero from its prisoners.
        Second, my opinion is that opposition is good for the country. The culture of standing up against government excesses should be encouraged. I’m just saying that the time when the opposition enjoys a free ride on the blunders of pfdj is up. The leaders need to be serious and reevaluate their past and reorient their direction towards the will of the so called ” silent majority “. No one is smarter than that group. You can snatching power through any means, but at the end you will still have to deal with it if you are truly democratic.

        • Nitricc

          Mahmuday it is about time. They must start puting things to gather. They are running out of time. They are too great to part away like that. As far as the opposition well; they are not interested in change but they are very much interested to take out PIA at any price. Even if it means at the loss of the nation
          That is why they will never get the ears of the silent majority.
          GoE got to make it right and free the prisoners. They are to great. How great? Listen to this

          http://youtu.be/9fyKZe7Vv3I

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,

            Just an observation. I thought the “silent-crowd” (which from now on I am calling “reserve opposition”) are deaf and mute, does it mean they are only mute? 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Hahaha SJ “reserve opposition” that is briliant. That is a very fitting discription. Lol
            But if I can make recomadation then I would have used the word ” responsible oppositions”
            The problem is when the so called “Justice Seekers are turned in to ” revenge seekers” here you have it things are complicated. So the silent majority have no choice but to become ” reserve opposition” PFDJ knows how the majority thinks and the toothless opposition have no clue.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            Language matters as many have commented. Perception matters and I believe in that–in fact Tzegereda reminded me of it. Using appropriate language helps sanitize our debates. If you use bad words, someone will snap and give you a name as a reaction–we are humans. I will stop using unbecoming words but you have to help me. Let’s use civilized, true, and respectful words. Let’s not provoke each other. For your “toothless” forces, I will shift it to the new article if need be.

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, Reserve opposition is a brilliant as Nitricc said. Bad words like “opportunists, mute….” doesn’t sit well with Eritreans specially coming from “the toothless” oppositions. I know you the opposition camps have been bombarded with awful names but to pay it back in kind as you have understood it now , Thank you Tzegereda, doesn’t pay. You can call us Reserve opposition if reminding and criticizing you to be “Responsible opposition” is OK with you.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ted,
            My dear Ted-Wedi, if you like it, use it and stop your jabs at us. There are some of us who are doing their utmost and you cannot ask for more. Please use laser guided criticisms instead of ayni ‘blei snni ‘blei bombs 🙂 Yeah, I can see that now we have so much softies, My apologies. You see Ted, I belong to a generation that doesn’t understand the “you hurt my feeling” stuff 🙂 My part of the generation understand Hammurabi better. To each according to his predisposition from each according to his softness 🙂

  • Mizaan1

    Has anyone on this forum read the following article on Assenna?

    “A SWIFT, EFFECTIVE AND LASTING SOLUTION TO THE ERITREAN NIGHTMARE!! – A Short Thesis on Strategy By Our Voice”

    The table of contents intrigued me and so I ended up reading the entire article. It needed a little better editing. It kind of reads like an individual’s comments from time to time. It is a good start for someone to expand upon. There are some parts which are a little shallow as well but I say this should have come out ten years ago and it would have been well refined and fine tuned by now.

    The first part deals with a little bit of history and that is the part where I think they make the strongest argument in my opinion but it would not pass this forum.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mizaan, you are always great but this time? Lol, people here have discussed about it hours back and you are just talking about it. I invite peace to read by attaching the link. and you know what he said, read it bellow you will find it. Hey, does that mean you are not reading everything?

      • Mizaan1

        Hi KS, you caught me pants down. I just skimmed through your discussion with the toothless peace and Selam. I will get back to you later on what I think.

        • selam

          Dear mizaan
          we said the opposition need to move fast to clean their ego and talk to each other , what is that you we mqke a mistake? I mean minus your baggage.

          • Mizaan1

            Dear Selamawit, what baggage? I don’t have a baggage. I am debt free and not responsible for anything because I am not a member of any Eritrean organization except a church. Why do you think everyone who hates IA and PFDJ belongs to some organization? I do not like any of the Eritrean organizations. They are full of old men with closed doors. I don’t want to be a part of that. I am an independent activist. I assume you are a card caring PFDJ member and hence you have a big baggage in your behind.

          • selam

            Dear mizaan
            I am actually speaking about your insult and defamatory behavior not about your affiliates.

  • tes

    Dear georege,

    Yes I said. And here is another dimension of Yemeni political developments. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/yemen-rebels-boycott-saudi-brokered-talks-150517073002128.html

    Since I know how PFDJ involves in such crisis, I am confident when I write as such.

    PFDJ put his first hand to divide Sudan in to two. He armed the Eastern Sudan rebel groups to stand against Beshir.

    PFDJ involved himself in Darfur.

    PFDJ is actively engaged in destablizing Somalia by siding with Al-Shabab.

    PFDJ is actively involving in the South Sudanese internal conflict.

    PFDJ is arming more than a dozen Ethiopian rebel groups.

    PFDJ is arming Djiboutian rebels.

    PFDJ is active in the Yemeni crises.

    tes

    • Hope

      Tes;
      As good as you are in Googling, you could find the truth better if you do (simple Googling):
      These are few of the facts that I know about:
      -S Sudanese deserve Independence and freedom way better than any other Nation or people under the Sun!
      -Al Bashier should have been toppled based on what he did to our EDF in Tesseney(the Worst Causality in Eritrean History) and his involvement in the Sana Forum(The Evil Axis against Eritrea) and do NOT forget the terror imposed on Eritrea by Dr Hassen al Turabi backed up by the “late” Osama bin Laden in early 1990s—and the threat to make Eritrea an Islamic Republic besides recruiting the Mujahidins from Pakistan and Afghanistan against Eritrea!.
      -The CIA,the Mossad and M16 have been involved and are still the main culprits! It is a de-classified info!
      -Ethiopia has been recruiting more than 35 NGOs based on Region, Religion and, Ethnic based Politics besides arming some dozen deadly rebels against Eritrea–not to mention its open Policy to invade Eritrea and to change the Regime by any means possible and to weaken Eritrea economically by using all means possible under the Sun with a full back up of/by the West(CIA,Mssad,M16)
      -Djibouti has been a base for the Ethiopian Army besides its Security and Military Agreement with Ethiopia
      -PFDJ has been involved in solving the Yemeni Problems diplomatically and the genocide has been calming down due to that diplomatic intervention. But remember the Sana Forum/the Evil Axis against Eritrea along with Ethiopia and the Sudan.
      -Eritrea was mainly involved in unifying the Somalis for one Goal by creating the Alliance of Re-liberation of Somalia, where the Al Shebab refused to take part…and you know who divided into pieces the Alliance and for what purpose….Read history and apply Science,as you are a PhD Candidate rather than applying hatred and emotion.
      -Al Shebab was created by Ethiopia….and Eritrea has been cleared for the last 6 yrs.
      Now, if you deny the above facts, then you ” know what you are saying and doing”!
      Eritrea then has every right to defend herself by ” Any and All means possible”. and I wish she has that capacity!..

      • tes

        Dear Hope,

        I hope you are not expecting my response. The refutal of your uttered and hollow argumentation is with zero value for me. You know that I better informed than you and hence stop such comments.

        tes

        • Hope

          Prof Tes,
          Again,show me the gut and the courage to refute the above Facts!
          How old are u now ,Tes? About 30 or so?
          Let me tell the truth but the truth:
          You are a PFDJ beneficiary and were a young PFDJ Cadre recruit but remember that some of us might be the worst victims of the same PFDJ ,who might know the inns and outs of each and every move and each and every intension of the PFDJ!
          Hence, do not try to be more Catholic than the the Pope and a better witness than the Original Witnesses!
          But when u mention things that affect the National Security of Eritrea in the name of PFDJ,well, know it out,coz Eritrea and the PFDJ are totally different!
          If u cannot refute the above facts please do not respond !

          • tes

            Dear Hope,

            If you know PFDJ from ins and outs, then what you do here to distruct any discussion is for purpose. Those who know PFD, have two approachs, 1. Either they work to weed PFDJ or 2. protect from nail to nail. Look haile TG, SGJ, Saay7, MS and look yourself (as per your claim). Folks like Nitricc, dawit, L.T know nothing about PFDJ.

            Let’s make a deal if you are ready. Without pre-condition, say YES i am or No. simple.

            tes

  • Passerby

    Hello all,
    Of late, the GoE’s media has been talking a lot about the new law (they don’t call it as such but may be constitution?). Scholars and those involved are providing some clarifications. One that got my attention is when they said that under the law, any one accused is innocent until proved guilty by court. They said that repeatedly. That is interesting because thousands are languishing in prisons, many for over a decade, without any charges, trial or any aspect of the law. Inadvertently, the regime is putting itself in such ackward position of locking-up thousands outside the boundaries of law and then lecturing the public about innocence till proven guilty by courts. How would the families of the imprisoned feel when EriTv tells them that to their face?

    • haileTG

      Selam Passerby,

      Isn’t this at the heart of the concept in living and breathing stupid (IA’s)? If you ask that in Eritrea you would be arrested on charges of national security and stay there forever without proven guilty. So, why would the regime be in an awkward position if it has already paved the ground for no one to ask but quietly accept it or get out of the country?

      • Passerby

        Hi HaileTG,
        One good thing EriTv does many times is, when it invites guests for interviews, after the initial few questions, they invite the public to call and ask. But these ongoing interviews are not open to such courtesy. Someone must have realized “political” questions would find their ways in.
        See, they’re not all that stupid:)

        • haileTG

          Hi Passerby,

          I think the logic has just passed us by 🙂 It isn’t the guy, rather the gun that is smart. Suppose that all discussions are ultimately aimed at reaching an agreement. So, if the final outcome sought is just an agreement, would it be smart to discuss for a year and arrive on it or to just point a gun at the other party’s head in a matter of seconds and instantly obtain agreement? There is nothing stupid about a gun’s ability to strike a bullet between the eyes. If the regime did what you said it passed-by, then that would have been smart and the gun considered stupid. But the regime bypassed the discussion to reach for the gun, and that makes the gun smart and the regime stupid:-)

      • selam

        Dear Haile TG
        I understand that you don’t want to use harish words to any one, but I have hard time to understand the word stupid in your comments . Can you pls help me tell it’s political meaning? Sarah palin is looking from alaska, do you remember about the pig thing in 2009
        Sorry to waste your time on explaining to me.

        • haileTG

          Dear Selam,

          It is a valid question and nothing to worry about. If terms as “stupid” are not commonly understood though questioning and analyzing them, they won’t serve a purpose and only remain the property of those who came up with it (me in this case:)

          The Brits contextualize stupidity as “selling coal in Newcastle” (i.e. hoping to profit by selling what is widely and cheaply available). The old Amharic adage would have it as “ጅብ ከሄደ ውሻ ጮኸ” or “ሞኝ፡ በህልሙ ዳውላ ተሸክሞ ይዞራል” or in Tigrinya “ነዳይ’ሲ ናይ ልቡ ይሓልም”;

          The best one that capture the political meaning is “ጅብ ከሄደ ውሻ ጮኸ” because the regime modes operand fits well to such pattern. The regime, having argued in the first round of UNHRC hearing that it had a working Constitution and only selective parts of it were suspended pending national security consideration, then appearing on the second hearing to argue that it doesn’t have a constitution and is drafting a new one, then finally preparing itself to argue that even if Laws are drawn from constitution (which it doesn’t have one at the moment), nonetheless it has enacted the laws and hence can’t be called “Lawless’.

          Dear Selam, stupid is the funniest sort of game in town, if not for anything, it would make one look stupid for trying to explain it:-) Stupid is accepting agreements after receiving the punishment that could have been avoided by accepting is applied. Stupid is getting late to you own wedding and choosing what attire to dress in for attending your own funeral:-) I know, I know, it is a rare case:-)

    • saay7

      Selamat Passerby:

      Actually the one Eri-TV is talking about is to replace the Civic Code and the Penal Code. As an Awate columnists pointed out in Awate homepage, 24 years after Eritrea’s independence, we are still using the Civic and Penal Code that we inherited from Emperor Haile Selasse, which was drafted in the mid 1930s. If you tell me to summarize what Eri-TV said I really can’t, which is the whole point. You should ask SGJ how South Sudanese used to translate Arabic news into South Sudanese Arabic. That’s what I feel like most of the time watching Eri-TV. It’s like watching a 6th grader giving a book report on history.

      saay

      • Passerby

        Selam SAAY7,
        Civil codu penal codu kulu ab tiHti qwam malet endaalu emo.
        What else will El Presidente say next week? Here are top five:
        I) yes, he will say the drafting of the constitution is well underway,
        II) he will imply, in some form, the issue of the national service is being looked at (nevermind he has been telling dignitaries of the solid 18 month limit),
        III) he will say as a result of the steadfastness of the Eritrean people, huge diplomatic victories are being registered,
        IV) he will say though not where we would like to be, Eritrea has now prospered more,
        V) and of course he will say we have learned a lot from the conspiracies that have been weaved against us.
        I wouldn’t be surprised if he chastised Ethiopian and Sudanese elections too. ብሽም ምርጫ ዝግበር ምኑቓት ህዝብታት ኣይንስሕቶን….

        • saay7

          Selamat Passerby:

          Well, this is a Tgushtetey (translate, iSem) by PFDJ. There was a transitional civil/penal code that the government was no observing when it comes to holding itself accountable. Namely:

          Art. 412. — Breach of Official Duties.
          Art. 414. — Abuse of Power.
          Art. 415. — Abuse of the Right of Search or Seizure.
          Art. 416. — Unlawful Arrest or Detention
          Art. 417. — Use of Improper Methods.
          Art. 420. — Maladministration.
          Art. 422. — Appropriation and Misappropriation in the Discharge of Duties.
          Art. 423. — Acceptance of Undue Advantages.
          Art. 424. — Traffic in Official Influence.
          Art. 425. — Corrupt Practices.
          Art. 426. — Extortion.

          Now, Fozia Hashem, the Minister of Justice, in an interview said that it took 4-5 years to draft the New Improved Civil/Penal Code because lots of research had to be done to research Eritrean cultures, customs and values. (Insert appropriate adjectives to flatter the Eritrean people.) Now, here’s a test for you: I will provide you a link to the the de-facto transitional civil/penal code (Haile Selasse’s 1957 Civil/Penal Code) and compare it with the New Improved Civil/Penal Code whenever they decide to publish it.

          http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/49216a0a2.pdf

          If there isn’t that much difference, then It was all a big game of stall, buy time, then stall, then buy time, then stall some more.

          saay

          • tes

            Dear Saay7*,

            The good minister servant, Fozya Hashim is trying to confuse people. While they refer as far as 1998, 1997 after wards is purposefully ignored. No mention of constitution, not a single word.

            As per Professor Asmerom’s presentation that I attended before, the compilation was finished way before 1997. The good professor himself is the leader of such projects. Then, PFDJ dumped any notion related to law and constitution. The same did the good professor.

            Now, they are trying to present as an accomplished task for 2015 as a cover to what DIA promised for himself to do on tdrafting a constitution from scratch.

            haha, how wierd they are.

            Ethiopian aggressors (Hailessilase and Mengistu) at least had law no matter how much they were abided by. Eritrea has stayed without a law that she claims of its own. And now, it is unfortunate Eritrea to have a law that is imposed by dictator IA.

            tes

            *Thank you for highlighting the most important and pressing articles that slap PFDJ’s Civil Penal Codes.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            those guys and Fozia love to read awate and frequently opens this site I heard from my trustful source. I am sure she will have hard time reading our views ኣይቀነዩን : ሰላሞም ስኢኖም ኣለው ::

          • ghezaehagos

            Hi Sal et al,
            I can add here what I know.
            While we (the first batch of Asmara University LLB) were at law faculty, Ministry of Justice had embarked on process of adapting the Codes (civil; criminal; along with the procedural codes) with the help of legal professionals from the West. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill professors were some of these who were part of the task force.
            As you said, for 25 years we were using the Ethiopian codes.
            As evil, manipulative, opportunist as the regime is, they are selling it as it IF IT IS THE CONSTITUTION.
            Now, we will hear more of these codes in the revamped regime’s campaign to gain some political ‘guzi’ out of nothing.
            All the best,
            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            I think what you are telling Halaf megedi (passer by) is “anta Halaf Megedi ente r’ekhaya qwamey selam beleley”:) what’s happening here is Isaias learning from Uganda and Benin: they had to amend a constitution to continue to be president. But if you don’t have a constitution and there are no disqualifiers either by age, as in the case of Uganda, or by number of terms, then you can be president for life and afterlife (by passing the dictatorship to a hand-picked mini-Isaias.) in fact, it is a unique system that disqualifies all other Eritreans from running for the chairmanship of the ruling party much less the presidency of the State. Never mind being chosen, citizens can’t choose. Never mind justice, prisoners can’t get a verdict. Never mind freedom of speech, there isn’t freedom to listen. Never mind freedom of assembly, citizens can’t get talk about those who are assembled. Never mind calling themselves a citizen, they are “nationals” or “inhabitants”.

            Maybe Minister Askalu Menkerios can use the new code to ask the government what happened to her husband? Nah…

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Dearest Sal,

            “anta Halaf Megedi ente r’ekhaya qwamey selam beleley”:) succinct , as Sal’s. On halaf-mengedi, I thought that was ma thang at Camera-Two (facebook)… (Dr.) Tsigereda timeskir!

            The codes mentioned above, would be good codes, ‘if it had been somebody there to ‘implement them’ every minute of their lives.’:)*
            You remember the Semere Keste court case saga; the first glimpse we saw of the power of laws to protect the rights of accused. The defense attorney, the great Ato Kesete Haile (I guess) managed to procure the writ of habeas corpus from the high court to release Semere. The base was penal code, and procedural criminal code. Panicked, Isaias intervened. The rest is sad history of dispensation of justice beneath even the medieval European kingdoms.
            Law of Persons of the civil code had full of the bill of rights. Criminal and criminal procedures list the rights of the accused…but..M’en yetegibro….!
            Indeed, Good Man Is Hard to Find in Eritrean justice system. I will give you two more instances.
            1. The assassination of Fikre, the businessman, in a Mafioso style on the order of generals brought much uproar. Awate reported it. The investigation never saw the light of the day. What Fikre lost in his last days, he found in his death. Fikre was buried and mourned by everyone in Asmara. They say apart from Welwel’s and Barya’s funeral, it was one of the largest in Asmara. Why? Some good citizens instead of succumbing opted to fight back until they can fight no more.
            2. Closer to the law side. There was a criminal case where charges were ABOUT to be levelled on one of the generals. It was a case of grave assault and bodily injury. The brave citizen fought back. The Attorney General started it; but it was quickly shelved after it was found out the general was too powerful to mess with.
            Bears repeating, dear Sal:- 1215-2015. Eritreans have had proud history of reverence for laws. “Bfthi zteqorxet id darga zeal…’ Another favorite; ” kabta bhgi zikdet lamey; bzey higi ztewesdet Qoley.’ ( The ‘peanut’ taken without law than the cow taken in accordance with the law) etc… Yet, as people it is very sad, extremely shameful not even to get A MAGNA CARTA in 2015, let alone a constitution….the powers of Nigus Yohannes of 1215 appears to be more limited than nigus Isaias of 2015……this is what ”maenta kebdey yehirir zebleni……”
            Thanks,
            Ghezae
            *= reference to A Good Man is Hard to Find by Flannery O’Connor.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Say,

            ኣንታ ሓላፍ መገዲ እንተርኢኻያ ቅዋመየ ሰላም በለለይ :-
            ትራኣየኒ ሳሬት ተኸቢባ –
            ሃመማ መርበብ ኣረጊት ዓለባ …

          • Haile WM

            “anta Halaf Megedi ente r’ekhaya qwamey selam beleley” is killer funny !!

    • Ted

      Hello, passerby, they are not stupid, they have a good sense to notice the tension building up inside and out. It is like a pressure release valve for now. They will release a few people here and there may be some one who is known by the West , viola life continues. The sad part, everything is on our side to force them to change the rule of law on our terms not a nip tuck they doing.

      • haileTG

        Hi Ted,

        You made good point yesterday about some reform for the opposition (Like why don’t the small issues as ELL come under bigger umbrella…). Your take on this one however, I am not sure if I agree with. Any one thinking that the regime will give a hoot about what the people (who are on a run) think is mistaken. The COI stated that Eritrea is a “Lawless Country” and next month it will deliver its final report. The regime is desperately doing what a stupid does and doesn’t give a$@$@% what the Eritrean people make of it. What people? Those who would work overtime to justify its cr@p? Would you do that for some one you utterly despise, someone who justify his own misery better than his tormentor could do? Nah. Abi can tell us about the proverbial monkey that saw villagers in a distant place lit fire and said “aha good job, it will warm us all’ ! haha it is a sweet old Amharic Msale. Eritrean people are not factored here. Let’s move on.

        • Ted

          Dear HTG, let me things clear before i move on, i did’t imply or say people are factored, just said it is coping strategy by the Gov.
          .” Would you do that for some one you utterly despise, someone who justify his own misery better than his tormentor could do?” It has strong words. You seem to be mad at Eritrean people for not standing up for their rights. I am sure we are not inherently submissive people. Just a thought.
          Abi’ will be more than happy to give it a try knowing he lives for the premise Eritrean being ridiculed.

    • tes

      Dear Passeby,

      Do not forget that what they talk about is about Civil Penality Codes. And this is mainly related with murder, rape, divorce, theft, accidents etc. And this has been on practice via the transitional codes.

      The other most important issue: Codes related with politics, military and religious beliefs is not on table. These are what Eritreans are looking for.

      The other issue: Law and constitution is different. Law without constitution is absurd and just very stupid. First and for most, people should know their rights before they are subjected to penality codes.

      As Ted is trying to point but for his own reformist agenda, PFDJ is aware more than anytime what will be the pressure from the international community if he runs the country without law. To release some tensions, he is trying to make a loud cry. And no one can be deceived by such false and null imposed laws without knowing the source.

      PFDJ as a dictatorial regime is again and again imposing declared laws not through consensus but through pressure.

      tes

    • Nitricc

      Hi Passerby I am predicting PIA will release most if not all prisoners for Eritrean 24th independence day. I like the signs I am observing. the toothless opposition wonder why we say this government is re-formable because the government is way closer to be reformed than the oppositions are over throwing the government and bring change.
      anyway; get ready the prisoners are going to be released for independence day.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Nitricc Alvin Toffler:
        I can bet you 500 trinlion brain cells donation that the prisoners will not be released,but he may release thieves and hose who are in prion for murdering their wives and tell you, the imbecile supporters that they are political prisoners and he will rob you while you are intoxicated celbrating something that did not happen

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Nitricc,

        ብሽራትካ ትጥዓም “ዘይሞተ ይራኸብ” how many of them are alive? those alive if they go out how many of them can walk? how many of them will remember who they are? who will be responsible for all that? will PFDJ leaders accept and answer those questions? will there be free body to judge and bring them for justice? if not then forget about reform, unless justice is done on them there is no meaning of all. as I told you years back even if they build gold plated bridges and roads they can’t pay back what we have lost. remember “ህግደፍ ኣይፊቶም ኣይፍትፍቶም ” no democracy and no bread under PFDJ.

        • Mizaan1

          KS, that is exactly why no prisoners of conscience in Eritrea will ever be set free. Who will answer those questions you asked? No one. There is one person responsible for all of that but he is not accountable to anyone in this world so lest the people turn against him, he will not release any prisoners ever.

      • Peace!

        Dear Nitric,

        You know good news from Eritrea triggers migraine to the cyber oppositions. Please don’t spoil super Sunday-;)

        regards

      • Mizaan1

        Nitricc, I always thought you were a smart guy but now I lost faith in you.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Peace,

    I have seen you giving reasons for oppositions weakness, I kindly request you to read this and think about it,

    http://assenna.com/a-swift-effective-and-lasting-solution-to-the-eritrean-nightmare-a-short-thesis-on-strategy-by-our-voice/

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Doc,

      Very interesting article. I agree with most of it except for few ideas, even that is mainly for its impracticality. Items 5.1.1 through 5.1.4, about uniting the fronts, the idea of fresh start, and “…the art of compromise and give and take” on section 4.2 are all good starts. In fact, I like the whole article. It just needs to be made concise by taking out the emotional staff, allow input from others, and elect executive body.
      Thanks.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Fanti,
        Lol, one among 101 summer course is over.

    • Peace!

      Dear Kokhob selam,

      I think I just wasted 15 minutes of my life, what a backward article!! “In truth, larger parts of mainland Eritrea were part and parcel of Abyssinia or Ethiopia before Italian colonialism.” an advise for the opposition groups to keep in mind before fresh attempt kicks off. A fresh attempt is needed after 15 years, can you believe that?

      Clearly the article proves that my criticism of the opposition groups are valid and constructive. I am afraid the article is written by a bunch of unionists who shamelessly value the life of Highlanders more than that Lowlanders and care more for the unity of Eritreans and Ethiopians more than the unity of Eritreans among themselves. Let me share with some of the toxic attitudes ” In every way, Ethiopians and Eritreans are strategic allies – and will
      live and die together as we have seen recently in Libya and elsewhere. The problem of Eritrea can only be solved by the unity of eritreans, nothing else. The writer need to be reminded that we live in a very globalized world that integration with our neigbors is a no-brainier question so please get a grip

      “Fresh attempt should be made to seek consensus among the various factions in the Eritrean opposition” It is too bad that anybody can advice our opposition groups, and regrettably it only indicates that the opposition groups are as guilty as PIA.

      regards

      • selam

        Dear peace
        Yes we have reached to that level of advicing them. Death is boring especially when the lords failure is open to the public. Please peace , haile tg and others lets push them to talk to each other. I do not want to add any thing to what you said , you have said it all .But please don’t hesitate to call them what they are, we have to act now.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Selam,
          believe me Eritrea is full of intelligent, bold people. Eritrea is full of heroes. Eritrea is not poor when comes practical people. what is missing is, they are too kind and are peaceful and chose longer journey than civil war, which is not really understood by you. Okay, act and show us.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            You may have the potential to wait for them to form one strong , organized opposition but I don’t have that in my mind and heart . I am pushibg for them to work out their differences sooner . You have to accept my criticism over their ego , we are bleeding like hell and you keep praising them. How long do you want us to wait for them to compromise and talk , listen to each other.Forgive me if I am harish but I have a reason and you know it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            No No, you don’t have to feel sorry about it. after all you are young and you should be even more faster eager to see changes. but then it is my duty to let you calm and slow like your grand father used to teach us to see things in all directions. our elder fighters knew in advance what is going to happen if we don’t act wisely. they teach us how not to be victimized by people like PIA back nearly 40 years. the show to us how corrupted politicians try to use the innocent.

            they trust us that we will remain principled and not confused even in worst messed circumstances. they sometime shout on us when it is necessary “ማንጆስ ደው እልካ ኣይትቶክስ :: መስዋእትኻ ፍረ ዘለዎን ህዝቢ ዝጠቅምን ክኸውን ኣለዎ : ዕላማ ጸላኢ ምዃን ጀግነት ኣይኮነን :: and if we show carelssness in their advice ” ጸጥ በል” “ኣምበጥሕ ” ” ኣዝሓፍ ” ” እዚ ሎሚ ዝገበርካዮ ጌጋ ተደጊሙ ክረ ኣ ዘይብሉ ሓላፍነት ዝጎደሎን እዩ : ንሃገራዊ ነጻነት ምቅላስ ማለት ነብሰ ቅትለት ምፍጻም ማለት ኣይኮነን :: ብዝተሓተ መስዋእቲ ዓወታት ምጉንጻፍ እዩ ጀግንነት :: and when you do things in proper way you get your appreciation while they also used to tell us that is just a duty.

            if you see some touch words, you should not be disappointed . this is awate and awate is the most read site,,even pfdj leadership read this page seriously and talk about it. remember there is nothing personal.

        • Peace!

          Dear Selamino,

          Change will come form within so we should be less conscious on what people in diaspora say or think.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Peace,
        when ever I read any article I fist put aside my outlook. I put everything and pack. then I read it making my self in writers place. then I put his ideas in outlook of my models like SGL Amuni and even with those whom I have some remarks but I trust them like Say7 then I totally examine with my thinking. I still mix and compound everything with everything. it takes me long till I come and decide if that article represents me or not. I even see which part is okay for me and which part is not. I don’t allow my mind to be programmed in one direction when comes to tactics. only my principle remains alive. I think you should try my way when you read articles. you must be open minded. there are thousands of books in the subject that can show you how to proceed ideas.

        again, let me request you to read it again. if you have PFDJ back ground you will have to cure yourself as you have been programmed to be against every idea even after you reject PFDJ’s ideas. that is tough even to those very much educated people. I will not blame you if so. if not, you will sure start to notice there are great people who have better ideas.

        • Peace!

          Dear KoKhob,

          Too bad that you learn the hardest way. Don’t you think you need to learn about the author/writer and his motive before you purchase a book you wish to read? I beg to differ on that. I am not surprised that you are impressed by the garbage unionist article given your record on many pressing issues here in this forum. And the other funny thing is also you vouch for people you dont even know, could please tell me the name(s) of the author?

          Regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,
            even if I know I will not tell you. for just one reason, just to let you know it is not who wrote it that maters to me it is the idea. now show me your way. I also have my remarks on that article. I don’t mean I agree in what is written on the article. but there are also things which are far from your thinking and my way of thinking. I learn from those ideas. now why you have to label them as unionists if they have different idea from yours? this may help you to go back and see how someone has programmed you, may be.

            I beg you to free your mind and read it again please. otherwise come with your ideas and let me read. I don’t regret to read even wrong ideas. there are always some points to be captured.

      • Mizaan1

        Peace, what an admission from you that PIA is guilty. Can you tell us what he is guilty of?

        Anyway, that article on Assenna – the part where you are calling them unionists, why is that? Did you read the whole article? They say that the Eritrean liberation struggle was justified because of centuries of injustice from our brothers and sisters south of the Mereb River. They make scathing charges against the Ethiopians throughout history. What else should they do? Erase history? What you quoted above is true unless you want to revise history. Eritrea only came into being after the Italians and Menelik II signed the Treaty of Wuchale and that is only 125 years ago but the name Ethiopia was in existence for much longer than that even though anyone can make strong arguments that some parts of Eritrea were not with the kingdom.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Awatistas,

    I need a volunteer STAT!
    I desperately need an opposition 101 summer course here.

    What percentage of the opposition parties agree on at least 50% of all issues they raise?
    Are there any two or three opposition parties that agree on at least 75% of their respective platforms?
    Why can’t these opposition parties hold several live conferences so people can start to know and choose among them?

    I remember Haile TG, telling me the Sudanese gov. won’t allow armed org., but would they or can they be persuaded to allow an Eritrean civilian organization to move freely in the Sudan to aid/help Eritrean refugees?

    On the surface, which one of these seems to have highest membership?
    Do any of these organizations have anything resembling a constitution: at least a preamble?

    I am extremely novice about the opposition, so volunteer whatever you think will help me. I hope others will also
    benefit from this knowledge.

    • selam

      Dear Fanti
      Sudanse government will not allow any Eritrean organizations to operate wildly. And even if they try PFDJ has the means to sneak in and silence any voice. About the opposition common interests in between , well they have much in common but their ego, their past criminal records and other ethnic problem is beyond repair . They think they are above any one so they despise each other. No compromise , no collective bargaining. But I ask Mr.Saleh johar to say some thing from his heart not from his mind. I hold no barage against any one , I can say too much about some groups with evidence to back my claim but let the General speak first.

      I forgot about their constitutional way of leadership , well they are no better than the lords of the 13th century’s Lords, where their guardsmen take the vow to hold on thier duty while the lords stay on their blood relationship to the throne . Other thing is open to debate. You want to know please take two way ticket to asmarino independent. Com , where they threat people like me like terrorist and some times they call me islamist , the list is on and on .

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,

        Omer Bashir and your boss know each other very well. But above all opposition still have ethics that they inherit it from their old culture. I am the witness specially for those like the late Ahmed Nasser and his party and the likes including who join the failed party of PFDJ. I am the witness as I have been ready once upon the time to cross the boarder of our principle and was not allowed by those long breath leaders. they are so cultured they don’t make films even when they have an open chance in Sudan in killing or hijacking any type of enemy. this type of job only can be done by PFDJ.

        For those alive wish them long life and for those dead I wish them highest paradise. you see, I didn’t forget them just because they didn’t won as for me they were always winners as they never do things out of their basic principle. They teach us how to continue without touching our principle even if it take longer time. they teach us that truth is powerful and one day people will understand what PFDJ leadership is. no mater few they were they never give up. no mater how much PFDJ trays they never lose their direction. you can see today how big is the force against PFDJ but it only needs to be well organized.

        “I forgot about their constitutional way of leadership , well they are no better than the lords of the 13th century’s Lords,..” unfortunate for you I am one among them and ready to challenge you and PFDJ if they have any system equal to my parties system – the only thing we don’t have is the system on how to cheat people.

        the people you describe as old are not old in mind and heart. I am as young as you do and even more. I update my knowledge and learn even in difficult circumstances and I work using the modern technology (I am sure you didn’t even see it) and you can imagine that I was with your grand father who paid his life for this great nation. but that is responsibility to the last minute of my life I will have to be very much updated of everything to challenge the ignorant and arrogance group who is using the mind of thousands of educated people convincing them for some advantages to serve him. when they spy I catch them, when they send people I know before they reach where I am. ኣብ ቱሽቱሾም ኢና ዘለና ::

        so what makes you more educated than those old leaders of our revolution, we are here for them and our children are here for us.

        Dear Selam, Learn and ask more and be practical. don’t ever underestimate those who are armed with new generation who have high courage ready to fight armed and with knowledge and wisdom. the problem is not on them it is on you as you are defending PFDJ directly. we want you to wake up.

        • selam

          Dear k.s
          It seems you are under no freno to accuse people for no reason than critics of the disillusioned. Do not take words off their meaning. Stop accusing people with out prove. I have never defended PFDJ under any circumstances, for the record do not just ship words on me with out prove to label me on your populare frame. Now you k.s , when do you get the time and chance to accuse people ?
          I know perfectly what I am saying , you know perfectly I am not defending IA and he is not my boss. What is that pushing you so high , where you do not see how low is the ocean. I have the right to hold people to the task and the reason for that is , I am investing my time , my money , and every thing else , so stop being the guardsmen of the lords. Iam not what you think is idiot , who go after personal glory rather than to see my dream come true. We have discused this is for so long and I do think you are coming from a feild which I know very well. I did not say you are ignorant, I did not say any one is not updated , I did not say you did not fight , it just happened these days , you choose to protect the lords.

          Now , why on earth will I spend my time to blame PFDJ and their cronies for 15 years with out cleaning my house? Do you think I am a sheep that goes after a green feild ? No I am not. I will not be your student because I have enough of you started long time ago at my home . We heard you talk and bragg about your experience but the questions remain to answer is what did do with that sir? Where is the mind boggling intelligence you poses? Do you think this is 1969 no this time is different .why on earth do I selam get blamed for asking questions ? Do you think these 37 groups are not common for this little Eritrea ? I thought the struggle for independence was clear to indicate the playing field is very narrow for 37 groups now too. Now stop blaming the critics , if you can lets push them all to sit down and talk each other and narrow the gap. Why are the lords to be given free ride while we suffer? Where is you loving god ? Does he live in a cage that bring him all sort of life? What every you try to paint yourself and go get paint it. The fact remains that we are disorganized and spend time 15 years blaming the criminals for crime we knew so long time ago. Does any one need your gate to pass through to the free thinking ? Who do you think you are ? No one can claim , the opposition are nice and are kind enough to help our people give choice they desperately need. Try your best and bring on your comparative and say what ever you wanted . Still I will ask you sir and people like you , what have you done except blaming ? Blame game is over , you live in a very small corner of the bigger picture with the hate you developed over time , blame is not going to help dissolve PFDJ, but compromise , listening to each other and talk common interest would the work . Now lets come to terms that I in no means intend to d3bate you on your past bravery , I never ever supported any kind of PFDJ policy and I never intend to make friends by being papagalo.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            “Now , why on earth will I spend my time to blame PFDJ and their cronies for 15 years with out cleaning my house? Do you think I am a sheep that goes after a green feild…” love it or not that is what…why on earth someone has to stay under PFDJ is also another questions you should ask boldly as you have done it to opposition. Lol, every questions has an answer but should be answered also boldly criticizing the self first. If you like ask also Why me Selam is under PFDJ when I can live proud or die proud. Lol

          • selam

            Dear k.s

            you have zero prove of your claim . I am asking you and people like you to move fast and tell all these 37 groups to listen each other and form formidable opposition that can challenge PFDJ. Now you want an escapgoate for your failure in the 15 years of talking to yourself. Stop accusing people sir. I have no time to reply or ask to PFDJISTA when it comes to their failure . Why will i ask any one who is blind and deaf . Now stop accusing with out prove. Again i repeat i have no time to waste time on blaming IA, the reason for that is, you have already used all the available words and time. 15 years is just too long to waste only on blaming.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            ውይለከ !! ህድእ ድኣ ህድእ:- ናበይ ናበይ ሰላመይ? ውዮ ኣነ ድየ ኣጸላሚ ድኣ ? ድሓር ከኣ ተቃውምቲ ደይ ሓደ እዮም ዝብጹሑና :: ንስኺ ውን እኮ ተቃዋሚት ናይ ምዃን መሰል ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ግዴታኺ ውን እኳ እዩ :: stop stop በለ !!

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            why is that strange , to find some one who tell what it look to wait for so long . Yes you keep calling me PFDJ with out any of such to support your accusations. Is not it crime to frame me? Look we may have commen interest but we should look at it with different view , The time frame has to be the same. What i am saying is 15 years just talking about PFDJ failure is not going to get us beyond the wall. We have to rally the people under one umbrella , kidan may be.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            now you are saying something that can be reasonable. and yes, go ahead and work with us in doing so.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I don’t know why you are surrendering yourself to this little crap.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Tes,

            Hmmmmm!! not like that. every single soul is important. I am not surrendering and I don’t take things on that way. we are not in war.

            I am sure she respect my ideas as I do and sure I will learn from as she will do. tes, my best friend we all need each other. we are one family and we don’t have to agree in everything but we should know we have one mother.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            Here he is having bad day again. Do you think sharks know , we sea their fins before they come and snach our legs, i think they do not . Being predator is the worst to be in any sense. The food chain is way way bad to make space for glass if you happen to be human being.
            I am not going to be confused again. Just let him say what ever shit he has .

          • Abi

            Hi Selam
            I was busy all day. I came home tired after attending several graduation parties.
            I opened the coffee shop and there you are telling us it is the worst thing to be a predator.
            Selam, if you see a fox chasing a rabbit, which one would you like to be?
            The one running for his life ? Or the one running for his dinner?

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I do not think you understood the idioms. Human predator is quite different from wild animal predator.
            And stop this coffee thing ,be, you are not helping me with your poem. You keep writing in Amharic. Some times pls do it in english , share it.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selam Selamey,
        So, Sudan is out in every way. From what I have learned so far, it looks like a new and far sighted opposition party is screaming to be born. I know some people can’t be too vocal on their day to day activities to protect their families back home, but I sincerely hope that something will be done before too many Eritreans start to think that the struggle is over due to the recent declaration of dis-agreement between those thus far well known parties.
        I may say more later as I learn more.

        Thank you.

        • Abi

          Hi Fanti
          Let me borrow a title from Feffery Archer’s book ” First Among Equals .”

          • Fanti Ghana

            Good morning Abi,

            I was just scrolling down looking for your post to tell you something. Whatever you do please make sure to save your poems regardless how silly they may look to you now. I learned my lesson a few years ago when I found a poem I wrote in my teens, to a woman 10-15 years my senior, behind a photo in a photo album. I
            had completely forgotten I wrote it let alone what I wrote.

            If it wasn’t in my possession all that time and the unmistakable handwriting I would have denied I wrote it. It sounded so embarrassing and comical to me that 28-30 years later, I read it in front of 3-4 friends a few years ago for laughs, and you won’t believe their reaction. One of them actually cried, and the others looked thunder struck just from the total honesty of it all.

            As fate would have it that very women ends up moving to 10 minutes drive from where I live, and the first time I visited, I saw one of my drawings of her on the wall. Encouraged by the fact “she remembers” I read that poem to her over a coffee on my next visit, and Abi, it was the most profound moment that showed both of us that human beings do actually touch each other’s soul. That experience made that silly looking poem
            absolutely priceless in my heart.

            Save it!

  • Hope

    A Little Tea Break for those interested:

    A Partial Quote from the African Intelligence::
    Eritrea Lying in Wait:

    “This disgrace was finally confirmed on 29 April, when King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud of Saudi Arabia concluded a security and military partnership agreement with Issayas Afeworki. The Indian Ocean Newsletter has learned that Asmara offered Riyadh to have the GCC military base in Eritrea rather than Djibouti.

    A few days previously, two delegations from Saudi Arabia and the UAE had moreover visited the Eritrean ports and islands. In return, the Gulf States undertook to modernize Asmara airport and build new infrastructure. In this strategic thaw with Asmara, the UAE and Saudi Arabia have gone back on the strong reticence they felt until recently against the Eritrean president. Only a short time ago, it was Iran that allegedly used Eritrea as a base to supply arms and train the Shiite Houthi rebels of Ansar Allah”.

    Read more: http://www.madote.com/2015/05/djibouti-uae-diplomatic-crisis-brings.html#ixzz3aKMFrP3j
    Source;
    The African Intelligence:

    • tes

      Dear Hope,

      Then Eritrea is again engaged in the bleeding of innocent Yemeni people. It is a reputed value of DIA to ally with what ever it is as far as it is a source of money and helps to maintain his dictatorial power?

      What DIA fears most is in fact when the Arab states ally with Eritrean people. He knows the effect. To hult that, it is better for him to agree with countries like Saudi Arabia. And all such moves is against the poetntiality of the people to organize and make the Middle East as their strategic base.

      tes

      • Hope

        Tes,
        He is doing his job though, are we?
        Plus,I personally take it as a positive step as it does have a “Collateral” advantage to the Eritrean People besides its direct advantage to the PFDJ.
        Tes,every thing is relative and I believe you believe in the Law of Relativity, in its common sense.

        • haileTG

          Dear Hope,

          The downside of relative motion happens when it causes you to see an illusion as reality. Take the pendulum swinging back to front atop a table pendulum swinging left to right. Your frame of observation would trace a circular motion that isn’t really happening. Get off those regime websites that swing atop a swinging regime. They will take you on a circular illusion 🙂

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHhpsJ6Ceuo

          • Hope

            Hailat!
            Am very fine with that!
            That is Hope,btw!
            I have a right to live in my own world!
            And it is none of any one’s business!

      • Hope

        Addendum:
        Dear Tes,
        Moreover, my understanding is that PIA/Eritrea is,in fact, trying to minimize the Yemeni Bleeding by forwarding a diplomatic solution, which ,in fact,he did before the “genocidal” and illegal bombing of the innocent Yemenis by the ruthless Saudis..

  • selam

    Dear Amanuel
    My hope and belive is that, people like you and others should at least tell them to sit and listen to each other. I am not in a group or what so ever , if i wanted to add one more group i can do it in a matter of weeks but does it have what it takes to act on behave of all? You need to check what did they do in these 15 years ? Can not they at least say , well folks we are doing the same job again and again . I personally think that their differences is very few if they see the bigger picture.I always support their inciatives if not i can not criticized them. Criticism is healthy Ema.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings All;

    I think Djibouti is helping PIA enormously getting back to the game. it is the matter of time the US to look towards Eritrea; of course for their own interest. the US will not put up with such disaster. if one accident to happen; it is worst than Bengazi. that is why the Washington post is airing this now.

    “One controller “screamed” at a PC-12 spy plane pilot coming in for a landing — an incident that a safety observer called “one of the worst cases of unprofessionalism” he had seen in his career. Another controller became “extremely agitated” with another PC-12 pilot for making a routine request; the plane was forced to circle overhead until the pilot apologized on the radio.

    In April 2013, a controller “physically beat” a Djiboutian supervisor and threw him down the steps in a dispute over a tiny sum of money — about $3.30, according to the documents.

    The next month, a controller threatened a U.S. Navy officer with a metal pipe and vowed to “slit Americans’ throats” if he ever encountered them away from the base. The incident was reported to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and Djiboutian authorities, but the controller kept his job, records show.

    In June 2013, a Yemenia airlines plane and an Ethio­pian Airlines flight were on a collision course because of an error by an air traffic controller. A U.S. safety observer intervened in time to avert a catastrophe. But the controller “erupted with a cursing tirade” and accused the American consultants of being spies. The observer fled the tower by climbing out on a catwalk.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/miscues-at-us-counterterrorism-base-put-aircraft-in-danger-documents-show/2015/04/30/39038d5a-e9bb-11e4-9a6a-c1ab95a0600b_story.html?postshare=9081431718112960

    • Hope

      Selamat Brigadier Gen Nittric,
      FYI,review the above link by African Intelligence via madote.com:
      -China might take over the AFRICOM Base?(a wish??-huh huh–but the signs of the time are showing!)
      -The Giant GCC Trio(Saudi Arabia,Qatar and the UAE,reached a Security and Military Agreement with Eritrea and they will upgrade the Infrastructure of :
      -The Asmara International Airport
      -Massawa,/ Aseb Ports and the Dahlak islands(I guess the Virtual Iranian Base will be relocated to where now?
      N.B.
      Egypt and Eritrea already have an ” Underground Security and Military Agreement!

      • Hope

        Breaking News: The Ethiopian PM
        is going to call for an Emergency Summoning of the Gulf States Ambassadors for their decision to help Eritrea and for having a Security Agreement with Eritrea and picking the Eritrean Ports for their Base!!

        • selam

          Dear hope
          can you give the source pls.

          • Mizaan1

            Selam,

            Hope got the first report about Saudi’s king concluded a security and military agreement with DIA from madote. So if you click on madote, it shows the report was ‘By African Intelligence’. I clicked on African Intelligence but that took me to Tesfanews. I clicked on African Intelligence again on Tesfanews and that took me to a website called mereja dot com. On that website, the writer of the article shows as ‘kuasmeda’ which means soccer field in Amharic. I clicked on that name and I received the following message:

            “The board requires you to be registered and logged in to view profiles”

            I went directly to African Intelligence dot com. The mentioned article is nowhere to be found. I did a search using so many key words but to no avail.

            Conclusion – let alone reaction from Ethiopia, the actual so called ‘agreement between DIA and King of SA is hardly verifiable. So don’t believe everything you read on shaebia websites.

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Mizaan,

            That is what we all have to do to deny amateurish attack on our intelligence. Now Hope has to come up with the source that is not a three card monte. Thank you, that was a great service to the readers.

            On a similar note, a few days ago there was news circulating (endorsed by an opposition source if not created by it) that John Kerry secretly met Isaias in Kenya. That news was spread to coincide with the latest Kerry visit–as if a high profile visit of the foreign secretary can be hidden from American media. This is all “entay yebahal allo”

          • selam

            Dear Mizaan
            The reason I asked him source is that, I find it harmful to go with winds that make cracks on my face. Hope thought some one will believe him but I do not. I stopped believing every thing about IA and his cronies news long time ago. But it would be not worthy of any once intelligence to just say this is false either. By the way at this time it is very hard what to believe and to whome to believe when it comes to news about Eritrea and ethiopia . Too much hersay .

          • Hope

            Dear Selma/ Selam:
            But why would care about the source though if u do not believe the PFDJ Cronies?

          • selam

            Dear Hope
            well I care , only to be happy if any thing good things happen in Eritrea. I am not some one who get mad , when things go smooth in Eritrea.Do you think I care about my political affiliations than the good things happen to my people , no.
            I am hungry for good news when ever they happened in Eritrea. What I am not ready is hersay. You know for a fact I have said hersay news come from both sides , almost all day and night , Internet is fool of lies so I asked you to bring the source. No bad feeling my friend. You know cronies live by saling lies over lies and they hope some day some how their news comes to be true by chance.

          • Hope

            Dear Mizan!
            Just google!
            But to help u out a bit,
            Check the Middle East Monitor,not the PFDJ Webs!

            Google also the African Imtelligence!

            If any thing good about Eritrea,I welcome it even if it is a made up story!
            But is sounds like it pains you hard and hits your spinal cord when u read some thing good!
            Tihim zibeles yitahagom Ghiddi as Eritrea will shine irrespective of who is in power!

          • Hipe

            Dear Mr. Moderator,
            Do not try to misquote me conveniently!
            Unles you are trying to tell me that any thing good about Eritrea should not be discussed here,I will bring up any good news I read or come across about Eritrea.
            But then, it is your obligation to delete it if you do not like it!
            If Ben’s opinion is discussed here and
            If you have the right to report only bad things about Eritrea and if that is the Policy, then my apology to bring up good news about Eritrea!
            As to my speculation based ” satirical” breaking news “about Ethiopia planning to summon the Gulf States Ambassadors for their mutual agreements,why should it be a big deal if Ethiopia ” Summoned”the EU Ambassadors?
            Btw,why did not you report it here that Ethiopia” threatened” the EU for renewing its development funding for Eritrea?
            Was it coz you failed to persuade the EU through your coordinated Petitions?

        • Saleh Johar

          Hope,
          Please provide reference to you comment. The sooner the better. One more thing: please use PFDJ links sparingly.

          • Hope

            Dear Saleh,
            Salutation,please!!
            Ref
            Ben’s Opinion,Ethiopia First!
            No Discrimination on Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Information!

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Hope,
            Could you explain what that is? I din’t understand it.

          • Hope

            Dear Saleh Johar:
            Call Semere Andom STAT, please!

        • Abi

          Hi Hope
          Have you read ” The Sky is Falling ” by Sydney Sheldon? It is about a female journalist and her dedication to get to the bottom of things. She never reports if she is not 100% sure about the story. In short, she respects the intelligence of her readers. I suggest you read the book.

        • Passerby

          “Breaking news”
          My man, why do you sensationalize something that you can’t substantiate?
          Good news is not good news if it is not true.

          • Hope

            Dear Halaf Menghedi!
            It was meant to a be a Satirical news item but I guess,I did not know how to do it!
            But am sure you know that the Ethiopian Monisyer ” summoned the EU Ambassadors to lecture and advise them about how to avoid Funding for Eritrean Development
            Was that a sensational News to U?
            What about the alleged sensational news about the GCC ‘s gesture to have some security and Military Agreement with Eritrea?
            Wasn’t it reported by the Middle East Monitor?
            Well,may be you will believe it after you see some GCC Frigates and F-16 s in Aseb or Massawa Ports like the Egyptian Frigates Roaming over the Eritrean Red Sea ,as reported per your reliabe Gedeb News
            Or since it is not reported by the Gedeb News, it is not worth to be a piece of News ?
            May be we will believe it when Ben comes up with his defensive propaganda or opinion telling us that the Gallant Ethiooan Airforce Pilots bombed Aseb and Massawa Ports in retaliation to the GCC action!

  • ‘Gheteb

    A Riposte To HTG
    Selam HTG,
    You have queried that if I can tell you one thing that IA made work in Eritrea AFTER independence. And you have concluded that ” IA is really stupid…. He speaks like stupid, he makes stupid decisions, the man lives and breaths stupidity.”
    If a supernal being from far, far away galaxy were to read the limning you have rendered above “it” would have definitely agreed with you that the person in question is the very definition of stupidity. However, since we are earthlings and we hail from Eritrea, the man, I mean Isaias Afewrki, the President Of The State Of Eritrea, if nothing else, is the antithesis of stupidity as he is probably the farthest from being described as a stupid being. I know you have asked for specific examples and I will oblige and try to provide as many examples as possible in an attempt of fleshing out my assertions or claims.
    To begin, the mere fact that you and I are talking about Isaias not as qua Isaias, but Isaias qua the president of Eritrea and what he has made work in Eritrea is ,in and by itself, an attestation to the ‘smartness’ of the person in question. The mere fact that Isaias could stay in the helms of power up to now thoroughly negates the claim that Isaias is a stupid man. Just ask yourself that how a stupid person precluded and averted all attempts that were made to defenestrate him from power. I think it takes a modicum amount of grey matter between one’s ears to last this long as a leader of a country and not be outsmarted by those who want to see you out of power.
    Then, consider the fact that Isaias Afwerki as the first leader of a country called Eritrea that emerged out of a thirty years of devastating war of national liberation. Whether we like it or not, PIA, has played a central role in legitimizing Eritrea’s independence through a referendum. Yes, others had a role, but Isaias’s role pre-1991 and post-1991 was pivotal and that achievement should never be underestimated. Then the arduous process of rehabilitation of a nation and national building had to start literally from a scratch. And, unfortunately in Eritrea, the process of nation building did not come with a users manual that Isaias could follow step by step. No, everything was done mostly through trial and errors and I admit the learning curve was not steep enough and may have taken more time, but then again, the challenges that were faced by the nation were also steep.
    What is more, is the fact that you may need to remember whether we like it or not, Isaias is the pater patriae of Eritrea and as such the mere fact that he played a major role in making a reality a country that is not supposed to exist and cannot exist is indeed a credit to the brainpower of the man in question. It may be taken for granted now, but many have written Eritrea off after the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war that Eritrea will end up being swallowed hook, line and sinker by its behemoth southern neighbor. They thought after the war and the imposition of the sanctions Eritrea will end up as a failed state because of the economic strangulations and diplomatic isolations.
    Well, the credible and real news is that the Eritrean economy have seen an over a billion dollars economic activities just from the mining sector alone over the past four years, as per Nevsun report. And, diplomatically Eritrea is not exactly a pariah state as its diplomatic relations with other nations and institutions has improved dramatically and its role in the Horn region is yet again regaining its luminosity. This is not to say all is honky dory in Eritrea; far from it. Life is still Spartan and the scarcity of basic commodities and necessities are evident. Moreover, Eritrea is the farthest place from being a Jeffersonian democracy. Democracy is not for Isaias. He thinks it is too volatile for a nation like Eritrea that is still in the process of being forged and is still in war footing against an implacable enemy by the name of Weyane that is hell-bent in reversing its hard won independence. Now, don’t tell me that such a survival skill literally against all odds doesn’t bespeak of some intellectual prowess in the part of PIA and not an indication of some dim-wittedness or stupidity.
    I have read somewhere about the attributes of what constitutes good leadership and they are:
    (1) Conviction
    (2) Discipline In Pursuit Of A Goal
    (3) Adaptability In The Interest Of The General Good
    (4) Far-Sightedness
    If I were to grade Isaias based on the four benchmarks, and assigning points ranging between 25 to 0, I will assign the following points.
    (1) 23/25
    (2) 22/25
    (3) 19/25
    (4) 17/25

    81/100 —- that is the grade I will assign to Isaias’s leadership
    Now, try to fairly grade “the stupid man, IA,” and let us see what you come up with.
    What I also want to remind you is the fact that Eritrea’s path in nation building is sui generis in the sense that Isias’s led PFDJ wants to implement a national autarkic plans viz. national self-reliance which doesn’t encourage much of getting loans and what have you. The process of national development is slow, but one sees positive results in infrastructures, human capacity development, in health and education specially in those remote areas far away from the cities or towns of Eritrea.

    • tes
    • haileTG

      Hi Gheteb, this one is interesting. I will come back to address is more fully:) It would be a miss to not warrant it the time it deserves:)

    • haileTG

      Selam Gheteb,

      In the process of trying to sell IA as “no where like stupid”, what you showed was that it is you who is actually smart, if it wasn’t for the burdensome weight of loyalty that is denying you the fair credit you deserve for as such.

      A simple example is in order: suppose you’re trying to sell me a 2015 Porsche Boxster for a fraction of its going price (say you offer it to me for $10000), I would snap it off your hands before you finish saying the offer, i.e. just in case you don’t change your mind. But, I wouldn’t be saying you’re one of the best car salesman who convinced me to make the purchase. The product and its offer did the selling themselves. On a flip side, suppose that you’re trying to sell me, for the same asking price as the Porsche Boxster, a downright lemon that nobody would touch with a barge-pole? If you close a deal, that would make you smart for selling a car but an early cheater (stupid) as a businessman. I.e. you ruined your reputation, you put at risk the long term interests of the company you work for and the likes. Car salesmen are not needed to convince people to buy a 2015 Porsche Boxster at a fraction of its actual cost. Rather, they are needed to cut a good deal for the customer, build a good name for their company and maintain the flow of business by ensuring a solid loyalty base.

      I didn’t come of age through most of the armed struggle era, so I will reserve judgement about that part. Post independence, IA was presented a blank cheque to rule as he pleased, Eritreans pouring in to the country with hundreds of millions of dollars, even the struggle era adversaries offering to dialog and part of the nation building, in simple terms, a popular good will that no walking breathing leader would dream of. Eritreans were very very happy to see the end of the war, ready to bury the hatchet and make Eritrea the best and greatest it could be. The world paid attention and IA was courting international good will like no other. Look where this stupid man is now.?

      He insulted the entire heads of African leaders in his very first appearance at the AOU summit as if he was some sort of messiah. When Ethiopian dignitaries attended our first independence day celebrations in Asmara and spoke cordially to congratulate the Eritrean people, in his address to the same gathering he said Ethiopia was too backward to even be called a colonial master if it wasn’t for the powers that coaching her. Regardless of how you feel about that, such a statement is out of place and tune of time and place to indulge in. It was stupid in a sense. He was the man who announced that Ethiopian “feraE feraE” was completely destroyed and they had no capability to push the border war soon after the early June/July 98 combat of the war. You perfectly now about his slap down letter to Koffi Anan telling him that he was not worthy of a response…

      IA is a man who had tremendous good will and had he gone for election, there would have been little chance of losing (even to internal challengers). Yet, you brought his greatest liability of the charges of stupidity against him, as his only defense. His stay in power was accomplish through the most stupid and brutish way that he found himself in a corner. By killing, arresting, stripping citizen rights, turning the nation into de-institutionalized, lawless and crisis ridden, he managed to stay. That is not smart, when he could have been the 2015 Porsche Boxster deal breaker sales man, he stupidly ended up as lemon pusher. His stay in power this long and in this manner, considering what he had to play with, he really lives and breaths stupidity.

      Today, IA is a guy who speaks 5 hrs to say virtually nothing. When was the last time a head of state to visit Eritrea? Eritrea started with a recognized university and it has none now, it started with pensionable employee, it has none now, it started with healthy banking and private Forex, money is exchanged in black now, Eritrea started with people who use to travel abroad, there is no exit visa now…Eritrea started with many things and has hardly anything now. Growing population, global inflation, commodity prices are on the increase and simply mentioning the $1 billion doesn’t make IA look smart. In fact, over 97% of Eritrea’s export is from the mining work that started almost half a decade ago. The IA only disclosed his revenues under duress to SEMG. Where is the diversified investment plans he talked about for hours on end? Over the same period, national service wages never changed, prices sky rocketed, services dwindled and living standards continued to plummet. Migration continues to be at crisis level and the private sector is shut by default. Eritrea’s official exchange rate at 15 Nakfa for the dollar more or less stayed the same for 17 years while the black market exchange fluctuated from 55 – 70 Nakfa for a dollar. Against this back drop, IA had the temerity to invite two rounds of investment confernces. What happen to them now? What about the free trade zone? Why/how did Russian trawlers given license to fish in Eritrean waters? Why did the Eritrean Ministry of Education recognize phony one man Universities run from private set up in Pakistan, why did IA approved the purchase of asbestos in the 90s to the tune of $1 million when asbestos was outlawed as health risk from the market? Doesn’t he jail people and forget about them? Didn’t he sent Eritreans 4th round to South Sudan and announce those who died as part of the border war?

      All the above and more is just to give you just a taste of the screwed up head of this loser. Many and many things have passed through him that to list them here to convince you or anyone that he is in fact stupid, would be point out the soooo obvious that people would think it is stupid to do anyway:)

      IA can never be remembered in honor in Eritrea. Ever. He is too old, too spent to change anything, except blame his stupidity. At 70 and with the old clock ticking ever faster, his brain is slower, his heart is bitter and his focus unbalanced. He had it all, he lost it all… for simply being stupid.

      Regards

      PS: I could have made comparisons, but figured it that it would be stupid to kick him when he is already down:)

      • Semere Andom

        HTG:
        Immediately after independence the west was wowed, they called him a new breed of leaders. IA is a case of lucky people who squandered it, they come from nothing, their stars got aligned, they recognize that and never rest on their laurells and good stuff happens to them, they could not believe their eyes. IA gets away with eliminating his friends, and with every stupidity those around him get more stupid. He ups the ante, they follow suit in their stupidity, he cannot believe his eyes.Saddam, Gaddaffi, and many others are his ilk Thier brains gets rewired when they always hear things that reinforces their stupidity.
        IA’s statu will never be erected in Eritrea, he will be remembered just like Saddam, just like Gaddafi, a cruel, a thug, who squandered everything that was given to him to be in pantheons of Washington, Mandela. That opportunity was given to him. So stupidity will be and must be punished
        Those who are expecting to pay homage to his monument will be disappointed, his own will disown him one his loses the facade of power that is shielding him.

      • Haile Zeru

        HTG,

        ሓሊብ አስተከኒ
        ሓሊብ ስተ
        In the link below there is an article in Assenna.com that is tackling the same topic. It is instructive to look at it.
        http://assenna.com/a-swift-effective-and-lasting-solution-to-the-eritrean-nightmare-a-short-thesis-on-strategy-by-our-voice/

  • Saleh Johar

    Haha, Ted,

    I like your intelligent responses, not correct though 🙂

    You know that if you take someone’s eyes you will go to jail. Right?

    Okay, now imagine that someone is chocking you with his huge hands. You have two choices:

    1 You summon all your force and ready your muscles and strike back regardless of what happens.

    2. You start to think, “If I strike and poke his eyes and break his teeth I will go to jail, if I hit him in the head,,, aha! What should you do Ted, what should you do!”

    The normal person reacts, reflex natural reaction because humans are wired to act that way to save themselves.

    Another person, would turn blue while thinking what to do and how to react with himself and soon dies.

    Eza guday kem Hamli teTebisa da’a ‘mber, your example above about the effects on the engine and electricity and so on, helps you turn blue and dies. Citizens are chocking and have to react naturally. That is why I like HaileTG’s Heart and Mind. His idea is tool box that can be used to do anything. And that is whay I have been using it at least once everyday. Ted, don’t forget the Hamli on the cooker 🙂

    • Ted

      Dear SJ, who is turning blue in these scenario you presented, it is the people of Eritrea. Not the opposition or PFDJ. The “opposition” is not even close being in to the fight with PFDJ, they broke their neck while training for dirty game. Everything remotely possible to change the ways of PFDJ is done by big boys of the West that the “opposition” just moves along from US to EU to Addis-(Toronto ghetto):-) to hammer when the iron is hot. The people of Eritrea has every reason(turning blue) to fight back and win. We can harness this energy for the best of everybody, including the “Opposition”. We have all the ingredients ripe for delightful outcome.
      Come to think of it . as good and forth looking it sounds, the MIND/HEART thing is being used by some to manipulate people’s perception of the “opposition” with out changing a single thing about them. I call it re branding with philosophical twist .

      • Saleh Johar

        Ted,

        C’mon, you are not your usual today. If you consider the opposition not part of the people I cannot explain that to you. Even the PFDJ leaders are part of the people, though the cancerous part. I don’t see myself in isolation of the Eritrean citizens. And you are right, I am also turning blue. That is the reason for my earlier comment. If I don’t see myself as part of the people–where the heck do I belong?

        • Ted

          Dear SJ, Don’t get me wrong the opposition is turning blue as every Eritrean is. My point is the opposition as organization for justice, they have done nothing to relieve Eritreans from chock hold of PFDJ, they failed. I am disappointed by “oppositions” lack of power to do something about our ordeal. Don’t you think it is time to reshape our thinking how to face PFDJ.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hit Ted,

            It is not possible to disagree with you. The opposition failed to achieve much. I agree. But consider the following:

            1. Don’t you think the opposition deserves to be reformed since some are considering reforming the criminal PFDJ?
            2. If that is the case, don’t we have to evaluate why it failed so far? Can you try to compile a few points as why it failed? External and internal reasons and we can take it from there.
            3. Have you noticed the hate and venom that is spewed at the opposition without distinction while tearing up and going sad because the PFDJ doesn’t deserve harsh words. How do you explain a hundred insults hurled at the opposition compared to nothing at the PFDJ. Can you trust such people?

          • Ted

            DEAR SJ, For 1) BINGO, opposition need intensive detoxification:-) Reform’. We need to start with Semere and co;-)
            2) Why it failed has been discuses to the pulp that it wouldn’t be news. The point is how do we rally people under one cause, justice for all in every aspects of Eritrean livelihood . This never happened in the opposition house. For Example ELL as an organization has legitimate grievances, but it is specific and don’t address the Eritrean problem at large. To me, it is more plausible the organization’s grievance heard under democratic Eritrea than them fighting it alone and by doing so creating division and suspicion (fear of the unknown objective) by the people. Can the opposition convince them to work under one cause for justice which guaranty them proper platform for their objective. There is also external factors need to be addressed( we no name names)
            3) it is love/hate relationship. Who would you blame if you spend extra day in jail. of course not the barbaric cop who arrested you, but the person you counted on to bail you out. Can you trust those people , i think, is irrelevant as long as you are doing your thing that matters.

  • Semere Andom

    Dear all, if you have not seen this
    Good news for justice seekers bad news for PFDJ supporters and their brotherenen the tinkerers (PFDJ reformers)

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205029460430893&set=a.1712555168407.2095196.1073990611&type=1&theater

    • Passerby

      Hello Semere Andom
      You forgot to spell it out the news
      ኣብ ቤትማእሰርቲ ምልካዊ ስርዓት ህግደፍ ን 15 ዓመታት ብዘይ ፍርዲ ድሕሪ ምስቓይ ዓሚ ምቑሕ ማእሰርቲ ናይቲ ስርዓት ፈንጢሱ ዝወጽአ ጅግና ኤርትራዊ ፓይሎት ደጀን ዓንደ ሕሸል ሎሚ ንጉሆ 14 ግንቦት ብሰላም ሽወደን ኣትዩ።

    • selam

      Dear semere
      It is good news he come to sweden not to Ethiopia and that shows where the stream runs its course. Some times it is good some people find out that , Eritreans do not just dispute the intelligence of some oppositions (based in tigray) but they completely disprove their existence. The clock is ticking in eritrea and also in some corners of our egostic , elite oppositions leaders. I hope the common man raise and decide . No more fooling people and (eritrean) people are tired of empty promises and more of the same blame game mentality. Get to work.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Selam:
        It does not matter where Eritrea go, they are leaving their country, you should be worried about that instead of their destination
        Eritrea is dangerous to its people, do me a fav go to the camps in Ethioipia and tell the youn g ppl there not to come to Ethiopia instead to go to Sweden and please report back to us ur findings

        • selam

          Dear semere
          Good challenge but bad motive destroy good men for so long, so why repeat the old mistakes ? I have no clue.
          Here is the truth sir, PFDJ does not care and they are happy to open the gate for every men to leave Eritrea in droves . Guess who is helping them do that ? Please trust us ,shirens grow out of nothing . Emptying Eritrea is a two way swords but who benefits from it , is an open secrets . If jockstrap could not the king smile , the guard will kill the funny man.

        • Nitricc

          Special gift to my best friend Kubur Semere Andom with his darling. This is a gift you must share with your Hayat in a special moment. If you feel generous; you can also Share it with Tes and the rest of toothless lol
          Check out this video on YouTube:

          http://youtu.be/S1g-iMS8DW4

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc
            thanks, I can write volumes about this, from the singer, who was spared from the sea cus he found his ipad at home 🙂
            I write my own lyrics for the special moment 🙂

  • Hope

    Hailat TG!
    You are kindly asked to broaden those questions and clarify the pros and cons!
    These R basic options we have!

    • haileTG

      Hi Hope,

      The idea is for the “respective proponent” of each option to give their pro/con considerations of their chosen angle. There is no point in me trying to analyse a point of view that I oppose/disagree with. Example, if some one wants to keep the regime and let the current bleeding continue, it won’t be original for me to give pro/con clarification of their perspective, because that would ultimately be swayed by my dislike of their point of view. So, choose the option that you think is your heart on, and give us the pro/con clarification of that. You are not expected to do that for any of the other options, because I am looking for authentic and organic view point from the heart 🙂

      PS: Thanks brother tes! please ignore my #4, it was meant to be for humor (albeit that it has now seemingly turned up pear shaped( 🙁

      • Hope

        Haile TG,
        U missed my point!
        Since u believe that there are people,me included per your assertion ,I guess,that argue against Reform or weeding out,it would be a good idea to regurgitate the same ” facts” and to broaden the facts in a crystal clear manner!
        It was my understanding that you were talking about Reforming the System and my comment emanated from that aspect of reforming the PFDJ as I already ruled out option #4 as it cannot be an option of Reform!

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    ድሑርን ብሉይን ስርዓት ህግደፍ ዕድሚኡ ንምንዋሕ ሓንትን ሓንትን ዝተረፈቶ ኩርናዕ – ነቶም ሃገራውነት ኤርትራ ዘይተዋሕጠሎም ፉንፉናት ትርፍራፍ ደርግን ሃይለስላሴን ሒዝካ ምዕግርጋር እዩ :: ” ሰብ ናብ ሰቡ ” ኣብ መጨረሻ መጸግዒ ቦታኻ ምንዳይ ዘይተርፍ ምዃኑ ዘርኣየት ታሪኻዊት ሕሞት :: ውድቀትን ሞትን ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ዘንጸባረቐትን ኣገዳሲትን ናይ መወዳእታን ኮይና እያ ክትስነድ::

    ሃየ ደቃሲ ኣለኻ ዶ ? ተቃወምቲ ህግደፍ ጉድለታቶም ብዘየገድስ ተቃውምቲ ምዃኖም ንባዕሉ ኣውንታውን ክነዓቕ ዘይብሉን መርገጽ እዩ :: ጉድለታቶም ናይ ምእራም ታሪኻዊ ሓላፍነት ናይ ኩልና ኮይኑ: እቲ ዝዓበይ ጉድለት ነቲ ጨካንን ጨፍላቅን ስርዓት ኣብ ምድምሳስ ብተግባር ዘይተሳተፍ ካብ ዋጋ ዘይብሉ ሃጠውቀጠው መልሓሱ ክቅጡብን ዝሓሸ እዩ :: ኣየናይ መገዲ ብዘየገድስ ቅድሚ ኩሉን ልዕሊ ኩልን ዘገድስ ገበናኛ ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ምድምሳስ እዩ ::

    https://www.facebook.com/1041713819189721/videos/10645992969011

    • Haile zeru

      Kokeb Selam,
      What you said is so clear, simple, concise, and true reflection of Eritrean reality.
      I was not able to see the video. I do not know why. It gives me an error.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Haile zeru,
        I think you can see it now. tks

    • selam

      Dear K.S
      Almost all Eritreans do not appreciate all the evil job of PFDJ and they know PFDJ could care less about them but to take 15 years in building 37 groups who are not worthy to challenge the regime is also has to be questioned squarely. Our investment should be to the people we think are capable of doing some thing to stop the madness with less cost. We can not be held back by a wastefull people who dream and conspire. Just stop praising look at what they did . These people are saying the evil PFDJ is dead and nothing is left , well the evil government of PFDJ is still here and our people suffering is just going on and on.

      • Peace!

        Dear Selam,

        The problem is they don’t follow the basic procedures of running an organization: Vision, Objectives, Crafting, Execution, and Evaluation. Now, lets see”

        1 Vision: No vision, except PFDJ needs to be Weeded out, Dismantled, Eradicated…no vision, ostensibly
        2 Objectives: No vision therefore nothing to convert into specific objectives
        3 Crafting: No specific objectives therefore nothing to craft
        4 Execution: No craft, Nothing to execute
        5 Evaluation: Mission failed

        And now, what they are doing is repeat 12345…..sad sad!

        regards

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Peace,
          isn’t your responsibility to correct them? come and correct man. do you think Eritrea is only for them? there is a lot of job to be done. there is no short cut. do you know PFDJ always play in dividing people using there tendencies? do you know PFDJ spends millions only for spy work? do you know how many of real revolutionaries are in danger just for standing for truth? every man among those heroes can stay in peace and be rich taking care of his life only and can blame opposition while he visit his relatives in Asmara dancing with young ladies. that is easy.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear kokhob,

            Oh Boy! You are really on fire. As the Amhara would say, Elian bet essat alle!

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            CHALLENGE!!!
            I want you to tell me the story behind ” Eziam bet esat alle”
            Hint: there is a female name at the beginning.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Atilfa bakih…Gash Saleh knows Weizero Mazengia’s story inside out.. 🙂 I think he is a collaborator of our former teacher Arefaine Hagos’ book and research paper on Aleqa Gebrehana… 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Ahun man Terah?
            You saved him!
            ” awra doro chohe mengatun negerregn,
            Bezarew qen lardew qeTero neberegn.” ( tagel seifu)
            My favorite is ” Mazengia , eratachin endehu mequamiayen yiZe liqreb?”
            Eyobe, please stop by Awate light. It is peaceful.
            Good to here from you.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abiye,

            Believe me..He knows it…He even once told the story himself..:-) He may confuse the syntax of it, but he does know it…You’ll be surprised how much he knows…based on that, I plan to take away the “closet Ethiopian” title from Sal and give it to Gash Saleh… 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            I just want to give him hard time. I know he knows a lot .
            Between me and you, the best you extract out of him is when you provoked him. When he is angry, you learn a lot. One day I provoked him and he gave me a life long lesson about chauvinism. He said things I have never thought of. Do I agree with him always? No. But , he helped me see things from different perspective. I’m grateful.

            Now that I have graduated, I’m at the back room making coffee for the new arrivals.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            You made me laugh. But honestly, I also want to learn that lesson about Chauvinism. Could you teach me that please. Or get me the link… What you though before and after the lesson. I am serious. Unless you want to get me angry 🙂
            Thanks

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,
        actually my post is to show PFDJ leadership has nothing to do about national freedom and can sale you all while you keep blaming everything and everybody just not to act. those with change phobias and those who give million reasons to cover their dirty history keep blaming every movement against PFDJ while the admit PFDJ is not really the leading party they want.

        “If PFDJ will go this and that is going to happen” as if PFDJ is really even responsible — you all keep blaming the opposition but you in fact don’t move. is Kokhob going to get Eritrea alone? is it me who is going to live for all of you coward guys over there? why don’t you show your own party and lead us? do you know how many of us are trapped in between fire to keep you guys understand? I think you don’t know.

        you know Selam, we suffered long with this type of reasons, I proudly can say every opposition is better than all those who keep talking nonsense. I know there are a lot of jobs to done, I know some opposition are afraid of true change as they have been criminal men and women fully slaves of IA in their old history. I know some honest but who are unable to organize and see how to do things. I know there are narrow minded politicians around opposition. so I know we need to work hard to use all the resources and get out with one strong, party who will break the head of PFDJ to make it history. but one thing I want to clear for you and for all who give reasons over reasons and are supporting PFDJ directly and indirectly. every single person in opposition should be appreciated for not only being against PFDJ but for being responsible and for not going and playing the dirty type of Politics like PFDJ do. I appreciate everyone for being responsible and for not going for unnecessary revenge. today horn and to be exact we Eritreans have a lot of chance to destroy the entire PFDJ if we want. but that will hurt our people and we don’t burn a hardly gained nation for few rats. otherwise you could have seen heads separated from the body. it is because we love our people we don’t give chance to others. Yet, PFDJ is supporting the old expired parties who were against our national freedom when you Selam and people like you are allergic to see any opposition in Ethiopia. you don’t want logistic support from Ethiopia, you want us to stay in Kesela and Khartoum where pfdj sale ladies to kill people. worst will come think about it and cooperate before it is late.

        • Saleh Johar

          Kokhob,
          You made my day. Thank you on behalf of all the abused selfless and delicates people.

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Kokobe made your night. Not your day.
            Ato Saleh Abin biyamin bayamnewum
            Kokob bemata enji beqen eko aydemqim.
            Kokobe siabera semayun siyalebsew
            Mishitum demeqe Salehm dess alew.
            Kedestaw belay gira silegebaw
            Qenina lelitun meleyet tesanew.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi
            Don’t believe Eyob. He is too generous. A friend typed the Amharic part not me. But you didn’t ask me what time zone I am in. Also, there is an Arabic saying, “he slapped him so hard he made him see stars in daylight”. To understand that watch some cartoons who go dizzy…. And the dizziness is represented by stars. A few comments slapped me hard and I went dizzy until real kokhob came and ended my day beautifully. Now go to Eritrea and learn some Amharic Mergheta Abi. 🙂

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Yeneta Saleh minew chekenubign
            Merigeta yansal Aleqa yihunlign
            SilTanu bejiwo lemin yisasalu
            LeEne kalhone leman yiseTalu
            Biq bel enega Amarigna lirdah
            Bilew qeledubign yeSahilu Saleh
            Amarigna tmhirt beKeren ketema
            Erir alle gonder wurdetun sisema
            Amarignas temarku min yaderglignal
            Ageru endehone yezemedochih yonoal

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam abi,
            .
            Ha ha, Are you sure you still don’t want me to translate?
            .
            Never mind, I will not attempt it even if asked.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim ayseleche !
            You translate to Ato Saleh ? Ha, ha , ha, now it is funny!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,
            በሳቅ ልሞት ነው :: ኣረ ተው ማረኝ ::

          • Rahwa T

            Abi,
            minale yihn dinQ giTmihn betkikilegnaw fidel btitsifew? Please download geez alphabet. You know what? I am imagining of using latin alphebet in 50 years, and I am dismayed even at the mere thought of it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa T,

            Abi is really more than Pawlos Negno ( RIP). He should pack and go to Addis and serve there in place of the late Powlos. now, look what he said in his gold and wax poem.

            የኔታ ሳልሕ ምነው ጨቀንክቢኝ –
            መርጌታ ያንሳል ኣለቃ ይሁንልኝ::

            ስልጣኑ በጅዎ ለምን ይሳሳሉ :-
            ለኔ ካልሆነ ለማን ይሰጣሉ::

            ብቅ በል እንግዳ ኣማርኛ ልርዳህ –
            ብለው ቀለዱብኝ የሳሕሉ ሳልህ ::

            ኣማርኛ ትምህርት በከርን ከተማ:
            እርር ኣለ ጎንደር ውርደቱን ሲሰማ;:

            Lol, I don’t know how he fix it in short time. in here he send massages not only one but to much. I am sure SGL has got the idea and has laughed loudly.

            ኣማርኛ ተማርኩ ምን ያደርግልኛል

            ኣገሩ እንድሆነ የዘመዶች ህ ሆኗል

          • Abi

            Hi kokobe
            You are so kind. Paulos was special. But, if you like serious stuff, read or listen Tsegaye Gebremedhin. He is out of this world. (RIP.)
            My favorite is ” Abren Zim Enbel”
            I was lucky to shake his hand.
            Just google his name and listen. Let me know what you think about him.

          • saay7

            Whoa Abi, whoa Kokob:

            Phew. Stunning really. You two have this gift of cranking out beautiful and deep poems effortlessly. “God forgives everything except wasted talent.”* You two should compile your pieces before you old age and it’s cruel treatment of memory loss kicks in. I heard that Paulos NgoNgo used to ask his readers “for my next project, do you want me to translate an English book or write an original Amharic?” Kokob, if Abi continues to be stubborn and write Amharic poems in Latin, you must translate to Geez. Reading your poems in Latin is really like reading a Somali website. Abi, really, there are so many web-based Geez fonts that require no software downloads or installation or complication. Here’s one: Just google Geez font Type. Teweldino has already told Awatistas how to read Geez even on your smart phone by downloading (free) an app called “Puffin”. If you forget it’s name just think of Saleh Gadi Johar; that’s what he is doing now: puffin’ on a cigarette. Beqa! Aleqe! Then, we are volunteering Teweldino to translate it to English since Fanti and KH have failed at this elementary task:)

            saay

            * I made up the quote. I figure if I put in quotes u guys will think some bearded Greek philosopher said it and take it to heart.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Kokheb,
            Look the beauty of the message when written in Geez alphabet. Thank you and my respect to you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Rahwani,
            I agree completely. I was meaning to say that to him for few weeks now.

        • selam

          Dear K.s
          Fool some people who are already disillusioned but you just can not lecture me about the responsibility of some fallen people from the high garden of their chairs. I do not buy all your accusations like for example , cowards , supporting directly or indirectly. Well you seem to forget people knows nothing about the responsibility that you are bragging about, none. Call mister SGJ to show us what did all he knows for a fact by names and age . Ask him what they really did to help the suffering of our people , nada. Did you think the blood thirsty scavangers are waiting for your blessing in order to hack our people ? No they are not waiting for you sir. I can sense and feel mr.salehs hands clapping for your messaged claims as if the opposition are acting like responsible once. No they are not . They can not remain in the hiding on the paramount of their sole names, they should be open to harish critic and if possible leave their talkative microphone to some people who can sale the idea of challenging PFDJ. I have no desire to waste my time to blame IA and his cronies for 15 years and on, my people’s time is just getting short from day to day.

          Now stop bragging about your past history , I know it and I will not rest if some one try to deny your bravery but listen to me man , I am not going to be your baby sitter for 15 years, you need to move fast. I am doing my share , noow do I need to bragg about my job , I have did this and that , no I am not in a mood to make my personal favorite be popular and get a name for it.

          I oppose the military help from ethiopia , I did not oppose to teach people in the camp about how to bring down IA. Mind you though I am also open to use Ethiopian money to help our couse but not by salling my independence. You can not just make me love weyane in order for you to get a licence to kill a forced young man in the Eritrean trenches.

  • ‘Gheteb

    A Rejoinder To One Cousin And An Éclat To Another

    This is a belated response to both cousins SAAY and Hope and my apologies for the tardiness. You know the main culprit here is non other than the proverbial time constraint and nothing else.

    First, I would like to give a big shout-out for my cousin Hope for his outstandingly awesome performance in all the rebuttals and surrebuttals that he has rendered in opposing the sanctions imposed on Eritrea and your calls for their immediate lifting. I have to tell you this, Cuz Hope. Don’t change your style of debating and don’t even think about altering the way you have been presenting your ideas whether some complain you are disorganized or your presentation is haphazard. No. I haven’t seen any of that in all your comments. You have so far done a magnificent job. I don’t think that is the main reason why your detractors are caterwauling and bellyaching. Their beef is with the messages and ideas of your comments. So, Cuz Hope keep doing what you have been doing ( age quod agis, in latin)

    Second, from where I stand, you have done wonders with your S-500 and Eritrea needs more like you to stand up and tell the homely and unvarnished truth however unpopular may it seem to be these days in certain corners. Blaming anything and everything on Isaias and the PFDJ doesn’t cut it anymore and defending Eritrea could never be shelved and put in abeyance until Isaias and PFDJ are gone. The fact of the matter is Eritrea should and must be defended all the time whether it is under PFDJ or it is ruled even by the Martians. Those who have failed to appreciate this basic idea or fact have rendered themselves irrelevant. The Eritrean Opposition groups, individuals or elements are literally in senescence because they have committed this very cardinal sin.

    Now, coming back to my cousin Saleh Younis, I watched both videos and I know the man, Isaias, leaves much to be desired in the way he responds/reacts in interviews. But, we have to deeply look at his background and the overall past experiences if we are going to gain some appreciation or understanding about Isaias’s mannerisms. Here I am talking about what sociologists refer as ‘habitus’.

    Speaking about ‘habitus’ and its influence in the quality of political leadership, let me share with you what one of my Sudanese friend from my days in Khartoum University said about the leaders of the Eritrean Revolution, be they from Jebha or Shaebia. We used to call him Tarig al Hkuma (Tarig the government) for the simple reason that his father was a minister in the government of the Sudan. I have discussed Eritrea and its revolution with Tarig on numerous occasions and he told me many times that you Eritreans do not have good politicians and don’t know how to present your cause to the world. When I asked him for a reason, he mentioned his father, the minister, as the source of his information. You see, it ain’t Isaias alone but the main culprit maybe something else such as the way we Eritreans perceive things and our overall experiences.

    Some of these reactions and mannerisms that you or me may now frown upon and may even cringe when we notice them in Isaias’s interviews, have been picked up by the US government in evaluating and drawing up Isaias’s ‘psychological profile’ from the late seventies. Traits such as Isaias being very stubborn from Don Connell’s writings to all the evaluations they have gleaned from President Carters encounters with Isaias in the late 80s, be they though correspondence or via actual encounters as the one they had at Khartoum International Air Port in the late 80s. And Isaias having a forceful personality was picked up by those who were present during one of the Thanksgiving dinner in Herman Cohen’s house and from the London peace conference of 1991, which I have read about in The New York Times. And later on after Eritrea’s independence, Washington was convinced that Isaias was unpredictable in the sense that he may not go along in doing what they wanted done in that region of the world.

    Regarding the link of The NYT of May, 2000, that I provided, my main goal was to show the source of the idea of cutting off the remittance of funds from the Diaspora to Eritrea. I believe that it originated in those years 1999-2000 and was passed through two US administrations to end up in the 2009 sanctions. Here I am contending that the idea didn’t come up in 2009, but it started way back in 1999-2000 during the Susan Rice/ Gayle Smith/Anthony Lake time. The idea of cutting off remittance to Eritrea was discussed in Dehai during those years when Cuz Sal was lamenting when he wrote something to the effect that “when we asked for a seasoned rice, they gave us Susan Rice”. This is just based on memory, but the birthday of the idea cutting off remittance funds to Eritrea was in 99/00 and not in 2009. So, that was the reason for providing the link, though I admit I haven’t done a good job of explaining what I was trying to impart.

    “As the Ethiopians step up their assault by bombing targets near Eritrean Red Sea ports, the diplomats say they are still talking to both sides. But they are also considering more severe sanctions, like limiting the ability of the Eritreans to collect remittances from friends and relatives in the United States and restricting international flights of Ethiopian Airlines, a major revenue earner.” NYT, May 22, 2000.

    • Hope

      Yep!
      You nailed it Super Cousin Geteb!
      Thanks for the encouraging words!
      I am learning!
      The “true” “Truth” will never change!
      You remember that Amb David Shin was betting with one of his Puppet Ambasador that the Ethiopians wil capture the Aseb Poet very soon as Amb Tekeda Alemu the fake UN Community in New York!
      And those short-sighted and with selective Dementia are telling us otherwise!

      • ‘Gheteb

        Wo Cuz Hope,

        Reportedly, the Ethiopian Prime Minister, Hailemariam Desalegn (PHD) has ranted and raved during his meeting with the EU ambassadors in Addis Ababa. In his diatribe, PHD expressed his unhappiness about EU’s decisions to extend the development aid to Eritrea. Here we have Ethiopia leaving no stone unturned to deny Eritrea aid from the EU. To achieve the same goal, we have witnessed the Eritrean oppositions groups, individuals or elements to have been campaigning to dissuade EU from giving aid to Eritrea.

        What I see here is both the Weyane-led Ethiopian government and the Eritrean oppositions groupings, individuals and elements working in tandem to deny Eritrea any and all aid from all quarters of the world. This neatly fits with the overarching strategy of the sanctions that was imposed in Eritrea in 2009 and the goal of economic strangulation.

        What I find utterly mindboggling is the claim and grandstanding by those Eritreans who have taken the self-appellative cognomen of “Justice Seekers” and “Human Rights Advocates” is that they are struggling for the achievement of “justice” and the respect of “human rights” when the very activities they are engaged on is to deny Eritreans the aid they need to ameliorate their living conditions and avert starvation or other sorts of immeserations.

        And then you have those who love Ethiopia more than Eritrea and they have the gall of acting and pretending as if they care about Eritrea and Eritreans when all their actions says all they are engaged on is to further Ethiopia’s interest at the expense of Eritrea.

        When the state of the Eritrean oppositions groupings, individuals and elements is nothing but the expression of such an utter illogic, then no wonder that they find themselves in a state that can only be described as moribundly in senescence.

        • Peace!

          Dear Gheteb,

          Very well said!!! Now that it is official that the TPLF gangs are no longer reliable to help the helpless groups. Too bad they have been running a dead end street.

          Regards

        • Hope

          Kibur Wo Hifur Cousin Geteb,
          Nothing to add big Bro!
          Worse,now they officially admitted that Eritrea and ERITREAN People should be sanctioned economically, per the order of their Masters in Addis!
          What a Hypocrisy !
          In fact,I would call it a Treason and a Mortal Sin or Crime against the State of Eritrea and the people of Eritrea!
          It would have made some sense if they argue that the EU Development Fund should be monitored and scrutinized to make sure it does what it is supposed to do,which has been the fact verified and confirmed by the same EU,that the GoE ,in fact,has used the EU Funds effectively and efficiently , never seen before , even to the extent of crediting back to the EU some left over pennies!
          They should be able to differentiate the Ruling Party from the National Interest of Eritrea and ERITREANS,a sole FACT a Third Grader can comprehend and differentiate or appreciate!
          It is just a sign of failure and weakness!

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Hope
            jella jellaka rebi
            beAl amel amelu yhadig wo debir akanu
            ebyemin minqents ldihreka
            gebeyu bedet minu kemsel eyun
            rebi lrhamu ta sirayu

          • Hope

            Yep Sem, that is me,Hope!
            For the record though,rallying against sanction does not mean supporting the PFDJ!
            I wish Canada were to be sanctioned totally so that you could feel the pain by losing the welfare income!

    • saay7

      Hey Cousin Gheteb:

      First of all, it’s is May and the 24th is coming right around the corner. So please be kind to your fellow Eritreans with whom you have a difference of opinion. So banish “groupings” from your vast vocabulary and please don’t replace it with something even more demeaning just because we won’t know what it means:)

      Second, I see the connection you were trying to draw between Sanctions II and the May 2000 NYT article. Another word that should take a long vacation from the collective psyche of Eritreans is “yigermenalo: we are amazed! Shocked I tell ya, shocked. When the goal is to limit the funding of a regime, the U.S. goes for the easy one first–World Bank/IMF, which is why they did to Ethiopia. When that doesn’t work then from whatever the source is and this case it was Rehabilitation Tax. So why is that described as if it is a vast conspiracy against Eritrea when it is a logical progression of “if…then,…”?

      Third, your explanation of the behavior of Isaias Afwerki. Ah, cousin, you describe it as if I am asking you why a blind date we arranged for him didn’t work out or we are in a family court resolving a dispute. “Ewe, izias ayHswelkan neqats iyu…gna kab fqri telaEli Halyot…” Dude, we are talking about a head of state representing me and you discussing the gravest issue of all: war, sanctions, designation of state sponsor of terror. He is not being asked his opinion as average citizen Isaias but as president Isaias. Djibouti complained to IGAD then to AU then to the UN that Eritrean troops are occupying its territories in April 2008. He couldn’t address the issue at IGAD because he had left to protest Ethiopias forray to Somalia. Fine. Now between April 2008 and December 2010 (sanctions I), his position was “we are studying the issue. This is some fabrication and a drama we have been invited to that we won’t participate in.” The world is not Eritrea: where you disappear citizens for years and you refuse to discuss their arrest; or refuse to implement a constitution and refuse to acknowledge it even exists. The agenda of the world, unlike that of Eritrea, is not set by him. He is not the leader of the world; he is head of a member state. When the Djibouti prisoners of war (fabrication, according to him) escaped from Karora to Sudan and provide all their details to the UNs Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea (details, military ID), Eritrea was given the right of rebuttal and it just said “oh, this issue is now being mediated by Qatar.” His idea (brilliant on paper) was let me recreate Eritrea-Ethiopia border dispute with Djibouti and then condition my withdrawal from Djibouti with Ethiopias withdrawal from Eritrea. Brilliant, on paper. However, because he had a bull-in-China-shop diplomacy, he just couldn’t pull it off. It was audacious to try it to begin with, given that Djibouti hosts French, American, German (and soon Chinese) military. It was an impossible operation given the mans lack of finesse.

      saay

      • Semere Andom

        Sal: Good Job
        I am watching you like a hawk:-)
        Rem the joke I told you about the Sudanse from Halfa told a devote Muslim who was praying in the mosque during holly Romadan: “Allah Romadan da Muttu lenna”, God please extend the fasting month”, The Halfa dude said, are you crazy sir, the fasting should be like the Fiffa , it should be every 4 years in only one country:-)
        I am liking our tsom and I am praying, cousin Sal muttu:-)
        Gheteb, I am renewing my challenge from a few weeks ago, I want to see your fierce independence and ask you to write one comment criticising PFDJ in this sacred month of May

        • ‘Gheteb

          Wo Cousin Semere,

          I don’t think you would need me to utter even a word or even a syllable of criticism against the PFDJ when we have someone who renders his withering critique of the PFDJ 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year.

          I have said this before, cuz Sem goes to bed criticizing the PFDJ and starts right back when he wakes up in the morning doing the same criticism he was rendering before he hit the sacks. Now I am wondering if Cuz Sem doesn’t do all his anti-PFDJ critiques in his dreams, too.

          In short, you are doing a heckuva of job of taking to task your bete noire, the PFDJ.

          • Semere Andom

            Cuz Gheteb:
            Sure, survival of the stones, the mountains, the hillil, the arkokobay, the qelamiTos, the anjih, the beles tree must be assured even if the Maritians are reigning in Eritrea.
            Cannot agree more Cuz Gheteb.
            Oh, I forgot to include the creeks of Ela-Ero must also be protected to assure their survival.
            “eyak nAebdu mwlana Gheteb”

      • Hope

        Sal:
        I stated my stand about the man you guys are wasting your time on but I disagree with your Analogy of the African Rallying behind Mugabe and Ghedafi with that of Eritrea!
        Not sure why u missed that we are talking about Eritrea and Ethiopia.
        Tell us honestly about the genesis and rationale behind Ugand’s and that of Fjibuoti’s role and initiative and as to who was behind them and behind their initiative .
        R U telling us that u have no blue who said to whom;”The sanction should have an Aftican Initiative….”?
        Are u telling us that Ethiopia and Nigeria were not behind the approval of bombing Libya?Again,the intention being to have an African Initiative??? Yes???or no?
        As you said,the list goes on!
        I think at times,we have to be honest and truthful no matter what and no matter who said what!
        This is not the forum to be showy!
        Let me ask you a simple question an ERITREAN Third Grader History student can answer correctly:
        When and where has the OAU or the AU said a thing about the Eritrean problem for the last 60yrs?
        And why not?

        • saay7

          Selamat Cousin Hope:

          First, the way you say “I stated my stand about the man you guys are wasting your time on” (President Isaias Afwerki), it is as if he was entirely irrelevant to the sanctions imposed on Eritrea when I maintain he was the chief architect of sanctions on Eritrea.

          Second, this very dismissive attitude towards African states as if they are all client states of the US incapable of voting in their own interest is wrong, it is part of what goes us in the mess we are in. If one believes that, one’s diplomatic skills are never developed because, why bother? Do you know how Israel was able to defeat UNSC Resolution for Palestinian statehood DESPITE the fact that China, France and Russia voted for it? Because the Israel Foreign Minister lobbied Nigeria and Rwanda hard–and he got their abstentions, but not that of Chad which voted for.

          Third, people make it look like once the sanctioned are passed, they are on automatic pilot and there are no opportunities to get off the sanction list. But the fact is that the question of whether or not to extend the mandate of the Monitoring Group on Somalia-Eritrea (SEMG) comes up regularly and each time the entire UNSC has to vote yay or nay. The UNSC has 5 permanent members, and 10 non-permanent members with 2-year seat, and from these 10, Africa (Africa Bloc) always has 3 seats. The record shows the following votes taking on the following dates:

          10/24/2014, resolution on extending SEMG passes (and partial lifting of arms embargo on Somalia), 13 yes votes (including Chad, Nigeria, Rwanda), 0 against, 2 abstentions (Jordan, Russia). Gee, I wonder why China voted yes?
          07/24/2013, resolution on extending SEMG passes, 15 yes votes
          7/25/2012, resolution on extending SEMG passes, 15 yes votes
          12/05/2011, resolution on expanding the sanctions passes, 13 yes (including Gabon, Nigeria and South Africa), 0 no, 2 abstentions (China and Russia),
          7/29/2011, resolution on extending SEMG passes, 15 yes votes
          12/23/2009, resolution on sanctions on Eritrea passes, 13 yes (including Burkino Faso and Uganda from Africa), including Russia; 1 no vote (Libya) and 1 abstention (China)

          Etc.

          Now, as you and Cousin Gheteb sing “the world is not fair!” and as you run out of African countries to castigate, I am trying to focus you on what Eritrea could have done different.A country doesn’t even have to be democratic to make sound political decisions and excercise diplomacy; it needs institutions. And the enemy of institutionalism in Eritrea is not any random African country but Isaias Afwerki, If we had institutions that debate issues openly (without being terrorized into being wrong and finding themselves in Ella Eiro), we would not be in a situation where we always do things too late. Recall that Isaias Afwerki’s charm offensive in Uganda came AFTER Uganda had voted to sanction Eritrea.

          The Security Council will vote on extending the mandate of SEMG before November 2015. Here are the non-permanent Security Council members who will be voting:

          Angola (2016), Chad (2015), Chile (2015), Jordan (2015), Lithuania (2015), Malaysia (2016)
          New Zealand (2016), Nigeria (2015), Spain (2016), Venezuela (2016)

          How much diplomacy do you think the Isaias Afwerki has conducted with Angola, Chad and Nigeria? I am guessing zero. The non-permanent security council members are elected by the General Assembly for two year terms on overlapping years. How much diplomacy was conducted to ensure that the right African country is elected to the Security Council? I am betting zero. Why? Because our diplomatic corps is too busy conducting mekete.

          saay

          • Hope

            Thanks Prof SAAY:

            -When I said” I stated my stand about that man”,I meant and meant and will mean that ,that man is and has been partially responsible for all our mess and that he has made a deadly mistakes since 1978 since I have known him personally,not to mention the history before that…and .no details needed,but for the sake of honesty,I also give him the credit he deserves based on Cousin’s Geteb arguments.

            -My argument was a counter-argument to your argument about trying to justify the ineptness,bias and partiality of the OAU then the AU and its member States you keep ignoring.
            -You have to answer
            a)as to why Nigeria and Libya led the initiative to bomb a member State against the AUI Charter
            b)as to why the Somalia embargo was partially lifted but not for Eritrea
            c) You have to answer as to why IGAD denied Eritrea to re-join the IGAD
            d)You have to answer as to why you did not consider the fake and pre-mediated Djibouti initiative(6 months before the alleged incident-per the Inner City Journal and his Reporter, Mr Russell or so)
            e)You have also to answer as to why, under what condition, under whose direction and how Uganda initiated the sanction
            f) You have also to justify your silence about S Africa’s Neutral Report but taking the SEMG report at face value
            g)Unless you are going to give me the SEMG Head’s answer, you have to justify and explain as to why Ethiopia has been privileged even though it has remained the most dangerous spoiler of the region
            Here is my Dilemma:
            Are you trying to justify the unjustifiable sanctions on Eritrea and/or target the justifiable target, aka, PIA-for his wild mistakes?
            I am not in a position to credit PIA or support Geteb here but looking for an honest answers, unless we are just arguing for the sake of argument.
            In my opinion, we have to focus on lifting the sanctions for the best interest of Eritrea and Eritreans while fighting the ruling clique either to reform itself and its system and implement the Constitution ,if not to dismantle it,if at all we are able to.
            But if we keep petitioning for and supporting for further sanctions, well, the Silent Majority will remain silent and we will lose the war and will remain in status quo.

          • Hope

            Addendum:

            “Per the leaked U.S. diplomatic cables reported by The Guardian, US Ambassador to Eritrea, Ronald K. McMullen is claimed to have concluded that the Eritrean government “is one bullet away from implosion” (http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/195418).

            In 1998, at the beginning of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border war, US Ambassador to Ethiopia, David Shin told a group of US based Eritrean and Ethiopian citizens that were trying to bring peace to the two countries that, “in a short time the Eritrean economy would collapse”. According to another Wikileaks cable, this time out of Berlin, the German government froze its support for “the Bisha mining project”, predicting that “it would paralyze the project.”
            (https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09BERLIN1467_a.html).

            Read more: http://www.madote.com/2015/05/eritrea-at-24-proving-all-naysayers.html#ixzz3aKvVWU1e

            Saay:
            What do the above statements mean to you?
            Blessings?

          • saay7

            Selamat Cousin Hope:

            The more answers I give you, the more questions you have. You barely acknowledge what I tell you (that Isaias Afwerki was the co-architect of sanctions on Eritrea due to his political malpractice and you continue to try to blame everybody else except him for the dilemma Eritrea finds itself in. ) Ok, I will play: bear in mind I come from the perspective that national leaders are rational actors and they do what they think in the best interest of the government which occasionally happens to be in the best interest of the countries they govern. Now then:

            a) Because Nigeria and Libya calculated it was in the national interest to do so.
            b) The embargo on Somalia was lifted to empower the central government which every country in the region, in Africa, in the UN supports. Everybody except Eritrea.
            c) Here is the charter of IGAD which (hint hint hint) is headquartered in Djibouti City. You tell me why Eritrean was denied re-entry from an association it withdrew from. Pay particular attention to Artile 6A, and Article 9.4:

            http://www.ifrc.org/docs/idrl/N527EN.pdf

            d) Assuming the Inner City Journal is an actual journal (it’s not) and assuming that the Djibouti initiative was “fake”, the proper response was not to stick your head in the sand, ostrich like, between January 2009 (when the UN passed the resolution for Eritrea to acknowledge its dispute with Djibouti: http://www.un.org/press/en/2009/sc9570.doc.htm and June 10, 2010, six months after the sanctions were passed, when it finally entered in a Doha-sponsored agreement with Djibouti.

            http://awate.com/eritrea-djibouti-mediation-agreement-3/

            e) Uganda is one of six countries that contributes soldiers to AMISOM, the others being Uganda, Burundi, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia and Sierra Leone. The co-architect of sanctions on Eritrea, Isaias Afwerki, routinely gave moral support to Al-Shabab, downplaying their terrorist acts, calling them “stakeholders” EVEN AFTER THEY HAD PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO ALQAEDA. So, I think that is good enough motivation for Uganda.

            f) Please educate me on how S Africa’s Neutral Report negates SEMG report. As Haile tried to tell you, the source of SEMG were former members of the EDF and PFDJ. What is S. Africa’s “Neutral Report” based on and what makes it neutral? And by the way, is this before or after South Africa voted for the sanctions?
            g) Because those who are fighting alongside Ethiopian soldiers in Somalia (soldiers from Burundi, Cameroon, Djibouti, Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Uganda and Zambia.) While Eritrean diplomats were conducting mekete and spying on their own citizens, Ethiopian diplomats were doing what diplomats do: promoting their national interest. Yes, Somalis DO think that Ethiopia is destabilizing in Somalia which is why AMISOM was created to begin with.

            The sanctions will be lifted, Hope, when the conditions that made their imposition necessary go away: and they are very clearly spelled out in the language (would you like me to spell them out?) So, rather than railing at the world, I would make specific demands on the Isaias Afwerki administration to be rational.

            Your cousin saay

          • Fenomeno

            And even when our diplomatic corps is supposed to target others, e.g. at the UN or AU, they are still addressing Eriteans (especially government supporters) or they must really believe that it is effective to engage in publicly name calling and that the rest of the world is interested in their conspiracy stories.

    • haileTG

      Selamat Gheteb,

      Let’s cross-examine your hypothesis that

      “my main goal was to show the source of the idea of cutting off the remittance of funds from the Diaspora to Eritrea. I believe that it originated in those years 1999-2000 and was passed through two US administrations to end up in the 2009 sanctions.”

      Now, for the scant evidence ( a mere mention of the idea), that you present, here are the arguments against:

      – A country that is as important as the USA
      – A country that IA considers as “having a bulldozing mindset” as the USA
      – A country that smokes out suspected sites (as the Sudanese pharmaceutical) and asks questions later or never
      – A country that has no hesitation to bomb Iraq to smithereens without UNSC blessing and hanged its dictator with his own beard that he grew hiding in a rathole

      How on Gods earth is supposed to toil for a full 10 years to cut off a 2% remittance to the world’s most isolated and brutalized nation? Can’t the US simply drop a 500lb bomb on the HCBE in Asmara and tell any one in US paying those 2% or anything else would be packing their bags (after all, this is a US that has incarcerated all Japanese decent citizens during the war!). Why the self importance? Why or whom would the US be afraid?

      From where I am sitting 🙂 it appears to me that by creating phantom adversary with powerful entities that hardly give a thought if we live or die, this is only made up to inflate the ego of the gullible and give face saving to the worlds most stupid leader IA:-)

      Yes, the issue of sanctioning Eritrea with severe forms of punishment is considered from time to time. That doesn’t prove that there is continuity between those plans. Simply shows that the regime repeatedly becomes a concern to peace and stability and its gruesome brutality poses moral dilemma to outsiders that they keep coming back to the same deliberations now and again.

      The key question is that what is the US afraid of to wait 10 whole years to try to sanction 2% and then water it down? If that isn’t laughable, then what is?

      Regards

      • Haile WM

        Hi Haile TG,
        did you notice the latest trend from the PFDJ camp ? they are telling us that actually eritreans were instructed by Obama himself to escape their abusers, as if eritreans are too dumb to flee their abusers spontaneously. I think our history made us conspiracy theorist of first order with a view of the world revolving around us..

        • haileTG

          Selamat Haile WM,

          That is exactly the point! How much stupid can one buy? Even when witnessing first hand that none of their relatives or their person had ever got an invitation like that! The contradition is stunning, in the end the regime would go as one to sell the greatest volume of BS to its people in the World Book of Records. And, this is rather scarey because when the people gain senses, the damage they would realize to have been done on them is so great, they would instantly collapse on the spot. We literally allowed the destruction of our youth. What a pity, all for a BS!!! 🙁

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam HTG,
        Well, well, well. You are saying that Uncle Sam’s good ‘ol USA can drop a 500 Ib bomb in Asmara and anyone who raises even a nary of a complaint could be asked to pack his or her bags and to get starting decamping America. Yes, sure and certainly they can do that. As a matter of fact, they have the ability to destroy, wipe out and vaporize the whole wide world with their nuclear arsenals. But, they haven’t done it so far and most likely they won’t don’t it. Not for anything else, but for the mere fact of the instinctual desires of self preservations.
        Regarding the cutting of the 2% remittance, this issue as was reported in the NYT article of May 2000 was also broached and discussed in Dehai dot org in those years and the main proponent of this idea in those years, Susan Rice, who was/is the main advocate of sanctioning Eritrea ( please, refer to all the WikiLeaks links). Here the whole thrust of my argument was to show the fons et origo (the source) of the very idea of cutting off remittance from the diaspora to Eritrea.
        You are wondering and doubting if there is any continuity in the plan of cutting off the 2% remittance, well, can’t you see that we have in flesh the very person by the name of Susan Rice. After an 8 years hiatus, she was back as a US ambassador to the UN with a cabinet level authority and used everything within her power to make the sanctioning of Eritrea a reality. This my friend HTG can be ascertained by the mere perusals of WikiLeaks.
        Why the US waited for 10 years to effectuate the cutting off funds from the diaspora to Eritrea could be due to the following reasons:
        (a) There was no plausibly saleable pretext to take those punitive measures against Eritrea until the opportune excuse of Somalia presented itself. You know that provided the fig leaf and for the US and its client state, the Weyane led Ethiopia to conduct their song and dance maneuvers in the impositions of sanctions in Eritrea.
        (b) In the intervening 10 years that took the US to make those punitive measures against Eritrea, Washington was not sure if Isaias Afewerki is their SOB*, has the potential to be their SOB or he won’t tow the lines to be their SOB. But the acid test that was Somalia convinced Uncle Sam that Isaias is his own man and not even remotely interested in being Uncle Sam’s SOB, then all bets were off and the prelude for a regime change was set in motion with the imposition of sanctions. Even the mild mannered President Carter has called for a regime change in Eritrea. I am telling you there is something to be said about the impression that Isaias leaves on all his interlocutors. Remember all the encounters between the two and their correspondence.
        Now you are saying that Isaias Afewerki is the most stupid leader in the world. Well, again, my friend HTG, quit talking fiddle sticks here. Isaias is a lot of things, but stupid he isn’t. You can say a lot about the man, but I think sometimes it is only fair to give credit when it is due. His achievements speak for themselves and his weaknesses and foibles are glaringly obvious as I have attempted to explain to Cuz SAAY using the sociological concept of ‘habitus’ on my earlier post.
        * SOB ( Son Of a Bit….)

        • haileTG

          Selam Gheteb,

          I will go along with you in assuming IA has some gray marbles rolling upstairs 🙂 if you could tell me just one thing that he made work in Eritrea AFTER independence (the latter belongs to Eritrean people in my book, i.e independence). Every and all initiatives that he involved himself in ended up crippled. What exactly did he make work? Youth? Economy/Airlines? Diplomacy? Security (getting us embargoed)? Societal progress (with families split and deaths everywhere)? C’mon Gheteb, if there is anything that I would do all in my power to avoid is denying a credit that someone deserves (even if the stakes are high, I would insist to accepting that). IA is really stupid, I can’t find an alternative word to describe the obvious characterstic of the man. He speaks like stupid, he makes stupid decisions, the man leaves and breaths stupidity. Is there a conflict he never lost? (leave the Eri people’s independense struggle, the archetects had been victims of his stupidity). Just imagine the absolute shame of bringing tegadelti who gave up all their lives for the cause of future generations, to be potentially tried in ICC through COI’s intl. investigation! Could you imagine the shame, what must they be feeling to go through this! Trust me, IA is a dumbe head of state, to say the world’s stupidest is slightly out (I am not in a position to ascertain that), but it would be groundbreaking discovery to give us a single reason to call him smart. Our people have turned blind eye and deaf ears to this stupid man’s blunders, and they are where they are now. But, help me out here, the man is real stupid, what else can I say?

          Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam HTG,
            I gotta go now, but I will get back to you with to your assertions/claims and queries about Isaias Afewerki later when I have free time in my hands.

          • selam

            Dear Haile TG
            IA is not stupid , he is an interesting intelligent cruel human being. Great people will never spend a second of their precious time writing about stupidity . They would rather spend their time thinking about where queens pee, that would make their time worthy of the result of knowing the difference between stupidity and cruelty. He is an intelligent cruel. His desire for missteps should not make him stupid rather then a serial killer. I am not saying this to blame him but just to point out who is beyond the receiving end of his work , that should concern you deeply than trying to compute with . No more playing the blame game should be the moto of the new generation. Saying IA is dump, idiot, stupid and more comparative makes him innocent . I think IA is the art economy of killing and we the eritrean people finance the champer of deaths in the sea willingly. No USA No weyane are responsible for this. All Eritreans plus their filthy websites and talkative elites are to blame. This may be hard but it is true. Just check your calander we will be back to politics about the dead people in the sea. Still we will read on all websites about their numbers and more blame. What a sad story to tell , shamful is just not enough if you are blaming the interest groups.

          • haileTG

            Dear Selam,

            I hear you, honestly. I try to avoid issuing vulgar insults targeted at any one. And this isn’t one of them. It is a simple statement of an actual matter of fact that Mr Isaias Afewerki, current head of state of The State of Eritrea is a stupid man. I really wish I had a better and fitting word other than that. It is note an utterance made in vain to slander, actually a central element in the problems of Eritrea, the man is just plain stupid. Stupidity here isn’t measured in what he failed to do for the nation, rather in what he set out to do for himself, how he goes about to do them and the constancy with which he ends up burning his hands; every time. There a reason why we keep medication and harmful materials away from children, they could easily do something stupid. We are not slandering them as such but assessing their level of judgement. IA is assessed stupid based on his own judgment for his own good. Evidences abound to prove my point that he is indeed stupid. All those who associated with him found that out the hard way. From those who bought his bonds, to those who struggled with him, including airlines like Lufthansa, those who planned free trade zone, investors, diplomats… all have tasted a piece of his stupid characteristic. The man is stupid from his toe to his the tip of his hairs. No way around that.

            Regards

            PS: Website forums and social media rely on conversation, it is understandable to feel deserted out of your wits with non-stop chatter, but that is what they do. Take heart in the fact that what is happening here, taking, is really what is supposed to happen. It is normal dear Selam, let it flow. 😉

  • tes

    Dear haile TG,

    I am very pleased* to read you heading straight to the “clustering project”. Yah, the 33+ opposition camp has let us downplay to think in a more comprehensive approach.

    tes

    *Except with your line that reads …”you moron…”. Let’s keep our lines pure from generalization.

  • haileTG

    oops… I think disqus have swallowed my comment:-)

  • Hayat Adem

    Passerby,
    No, my point was not about the news, it was rather about aigaforum.com They are considered to be Weyane or Weyane affiliated. For them to carry that news on their center-front-top space should be more than accidental. Or it could be, I don’t know. I just brought it for your attention.
    Hayat
    What did you say (husband, anthem, tigrayt)? What is wrong with you people.

    • Passerby

      Hayat,
      Oh ok, I get you.
      Don’t hold your breath on Aiga forum. They are hardliner and will continue to be so – wedi dumu kem qedemu. The same on our side, like Meskerem.net
      Btw, did you know our friend T.Kifle is one of the staff over there? I have a reason for saying that.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear passerby.
        the reason please,

        • Passerby

          Kokhob Selam,
          I lied*. I was trying to bring him over so I can ask him why he set the election date for May 24.
          It didn’t work but that was the reason.
          * I don’t know if he is a staff or not.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Awate,
    I noticed a news story about Eritrea’s good potential in mining economy and the favorable conditions there for such investments posted on the front-top-center of Aigaforum, so unbecomingly that tempted one to wonder if this is a sign of any new political development in the relationship with PFDJ.
    http://www.menafn.com/1094211185/Eritrea-waves-the-mining-flag?src=RSS
    Hayat

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Awatistas,
    Now that the new resolution ( talk only about Eritrea) has officially been anounced by one of the moderators ( SAAY7) I would like to jump to the main topic mentioned by most of you: ” what to do about the eritrean oppostion?”.
    In January of this year the NOREF ( Norwegian peace building resource center) published an article ” Eritrean opposition parties and civic organizations” ( Abdulkader Saleh Mohammad & Kjetic Tronvoll) concluding:
    ” To date the Eritrean political opposition has failed to hammer out its differences and establish an all-embracing and consolidated alternative to the regime in Asmara. It seems unlikely that the various opposition parties will play any significant role in instigating a transition in the country from the outside. However, with clandestine work inside the country, the civic movements may manage in due course to mobilise sufficient popular force demanding greater accountability, which – together with other factors – may influence government actors to start a reform process.”
    I think most of you would agree with the first statment since that is what has been mentioned exhaustively. Do you agree with the rest of the statments? Or do you see a realistic way of ” reforming” ( or revolutionzing) the opposition? If yes, I would like to know what and how this could be achieved. If not what else could be suggested?
    Thanks

    Dear Awatistas,
    Now that the new resolution ( talk only about Eritrea) has officially been anounced by one of the moderators ( SAAY7) I would like to jump to the main topic mentioned by most of you: ” what to do about the eritrean oppostion?”.
    In January of this year the NOREF ( Norwegian peace building resource center) published an article ” Eritrean opposition parties and civic organizations” ( Abdulkader Saleh Mohammad & Kjetic Tronvoll) concluding:
    ” To date the Eritrean political opposition has failed to hammer out its differences and establish an all-embracing and consolidated alternative to the regime in Asmara. It seems unlikely that the various opposition parties will play any significant role in instigating a transition in the country from the outside. However, with clandestine work inside the country, the civic movements may manage in due course to mobilise sufficient popular force demanding greater accountability, which – together with other factors – may influence government actors to start a reform process.”
    I think most of you would agree with the first statment since that is what has been mentioned exhaustively. Do you agree with the rest of the statments? Or do you see a realistic way of ” reforming” ( or revolutionzing) the opposition? If yes, I would like to know what and how this could be achieved. If not what else could be suggested?
    Thanks

    • Tzigereda

      Awatistas,
      Sorry for doubling the same message, I couldnt edit it, mis iPadey teragemu!

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Tegadalit Tzigerda
      Nice to read you. “Enquaani egziye zeyhatsertki” today 😉
      Well do not count on Saay’s announcement, he is being cynical, it is his way of saying, “Èemankka wo amankha iSem”.:)

      Besides this is vague, if we agree and Hayat temps him and he discuses TPLF, does he sing ” O, Canada, home of the welfare recipient the land of Sem Andom.” So we need to hammer things, would you be the arbitrator in case Sal does not honor the deal and he tells me it was merely in principle;-)

      I am not sure who is A Saleh Mohammed is, but that Norwegian guy is a classic case when outsiders lecture us about our affairs.
      There is no secret about the failure of the opposition, but to be fair we, the people have not exploited all the golden opportunities offered to us by PFDJ to topple them. It is not the same epoch when you were fighting. I am not sure what happened
      I believe that the opposition cannot get its acts together in time to save the nations. I think they should focus and dedicated some time to solve other problems the people are facing as well: among them the ethnic polarizing that is taking place by PFDJ and TPLF is exploiting. Saving our people form the Rashaidas, human trafficking and organ harvesting. I am sure the military wings of some of the opposition may not be formidable to face PFDJ, but it is enough to penetrate Shegerab and Reshaida villages to warn and take action. Thinking critically about the future and how to tackle the issues after regime is removed. How to keep Eritrea one nation, “ketyqormemt keyTsherfeft”. How to claim our dignity, our heritage, our land from the PFDJ-m, m is for Mafia, a new criminal group that will create after PFDJ and PFDJ-2 are gone.

      • haileTG

        Haha Sem, do I hear you bemoaning “TPLF for exploiting ethnic polarization?” Take it away then my man, what you waiting for? Eritrean National Anthem in Tigrayt….by the one and only …. Sem 🙂

      • saay7

        Selamat Tzigereda and Semere:

        You should write more often Tzigereda, you bring out the best in Cousin iSem. Well, “best” is “tezamadi”–he had to go on attacking the “Norwegian guy”, although the Norwegian guy has a name (Kjetil Tronvoll) and he wrote one of the best books on Eritrea (“Mai Weini: A Highland Village in Eritrea : A Study of the People, Their Livelihood, and Land Tenure During Times of Turbulence”) that was unfortunate enough to be published in July 1998, when our focus was on the entire Eritrea and we didn’t have time for Mai Aini.

        Back to iSem. Due to the pledge of my new year (Year beginning May 13) resolution, I can’t speak of some of the topics he sneakily inserted about the ruling party of a neighboring country but I think he has written the first draft of the Eritrean People Evaluate The Eritrean Opposition. Also, iSem, part of the Eritrean Code is we never tell The Man who is on welfare, who is not, who is legal immigrant, who is illegal immigrant–so it is all good.

        saay

        • Semere Andom

          Dear Cousin Saleh;
          You are absolutely CORRECT what Tzigerda does to me.
          Also about the Norwegian guy, I was just saying that as you always say that the definitive books about us are and by us II mean Eritreans are by foreigners, so I was not attacking him, maybe was not the best line, but I was attacking us. Capito italiano;-)
          Talk to you June 14:-)

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Semere,

            I quoted this article because it written by Abdelkader Saleh Mohammad, an Eritrean professor of Sociology (you can find details of his expertise in the website of NOREF), so my dear this is no “talk by proxy”, I ” prefered” to qoute one who is not ” known” as an ” awatista”.

            *nay Gizie’s gedifka tezareb

            * me arbitrator, in case Sal dont abibe by his own rules, waHis yiAtwelka!

          • Tzigereda

            Please read ” is also written by”..

    • Mizaan1

      Selam Tzigereda,

      When people talk about Eritrean opposition ‘political parties’, I can’t help but laugh hysterically.

      How can we have Eritrean political parties when our country only allows one political party and that is PFDJ? I just find it very mind numbing when intelligent people complain and whine about how we have so many ‘political parties.’ They don’t exist, per Isaias Afwerki and that is the one and only thing I agree with him. I am not saying they should not exist as opposition groups but they should not call themselves political parties because that is where their utter ineffectiveness comes from. They should fight only one fight and that is to depose IA and PFDJ and once that is done, then they can form political parties. To me political parties are groups of people in a country where there is a system of democratic governance and they compete to have the most influence on the laws of the country. What we need now is activists and community organizers to rally the people to completely abandon PFDJ abroad and revolt against PFDJ inside the country. One may ask about the immediate aftermath of PFDJ. I had proposed before that they can create a pseudo government once the imminence of the fall of PFDJ is undoubtedly near because as of now, they have still lots of life left. That pseudo government could be an elected group of people to stir the ship while a constitution is drafted and elections are held.

      But the way the current opposition groups are structured, they are grooming themselves for future power and I can bet you every single one of them would rather have PFDJ in place than any other one of them taking control of Eritrea.

      As a side note, here is a ripe place for young Eritreans and I have never seen an organization come here and promote its agenda except ELL, which I like but needs a little refining and tweaking here and there to make it a nationwide force. They are a closed group of individuals craving to be in power one day before they die. It is frustrating how they can’t even generate a joint statement of condolescne to vicitms families of the recent tragedies or anything for that matter. They are useless. It is individual activists like Elsa Churum, Amanuel Assenna, HaileTG, Ghezae, Semere Andom, etc. that will eventually bring down PFDJ to its knees. The opposition groups may even help PFDJ indirectly because a lot of Eritreans say, I would rather stick with the devil I know.

      • haileTG

        Hey Mizaan,

        I share most of those frustrations too. However, Tzigereda is asking if the facts on ground dictate that the only way forward is reforming PFDJ or if there is grounds to believe that the Organized opposition can be reformed to remove the regime and fill the vacum during the transition? In reality, we may be freer than we think to organize any how we wish. The good aspect of organizing as political party is that you can readily start to think as being a shadow government and work in that manner. The down side of it when it is done from outside the country is that of having no loyal and stronghold constituency in the country that you would count on for support come rain or shine. There needs to be strong center to stabilize your party in times of challenges an difficulties, that is only really achieved inside the country, very hard to distinguish real support from those feigning it when you’re outside. Second, location of party headquarters and the rest need to be organized carefully, since that would be significant both logistically and tactically. When time comes, you can then register your party in Eritrea when situation permits. It may also be effective to organize in ways that you suggested (community, civic association….). The big question with that is you would be asking the regime to change rather than hand over power. That really is reform. Because, your opposition movement, organized in civil society form, can only exert pressure but is not set up or has facility to replace those holding the State’s governing structures. That is by default btw. So, for weeding out, you’ll need to be pro organizing in some that significantly look like a government, while civil society and other advocacy groups are really set up for reform, even if they may assuming erroneously to be the weed out camp.

        Regards

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Tzigereda!

      “… It seems unlikely that the various opposition parties will play any significant role in instigating a transition in the country from the outside” [Read; we failed].

      It is hard to believe they actually said this out loud.

      You cannot agree on a common formula alternative to the current government, and yet you want to take your disagreed, hence failed struggle back home to the people? Why not just openly declare a civil war for God’s sake? We are not able to unite ourselves after 15 years of trying, seating in a safe, cozy, and danger free zone, but we may succeed in uniting “YOU” right under the jaws of PFDJ?

      We, the opposition, after getting together for a chit-chat for 15 years, we sometimes talked about Eritrea, refugees, and PFDJ but we are “so Eritreans” we never agreed on main issues except, finally, today only, on one very important point: and that is to take the struggle back home and dump the damn thing on back of the Eritrean people. We strongly believe that regardless of how many Eritreans may lose their lives wrestling the chair away from PFDJ we are very sure that we will have enough Eritreans remained for us to rule at last!

      I hope I am wrong, but that is what I am reading and somebody please correct me quickly.

      As if there is one and only one opposition entity that is permitted to be THE opposition and no other, and as if the rest of Eritreans are prevented from launching their own opposition movement without these “tried and failed” groups of dreamers, now, they are declaring the show is over? We can rationalize it several different ways why they are unable to unite, but the bottom line is they have practically proved that they are unfit to govern.

      Their problem is not just their “failure to hammer out their differences” but their lack of vision and “old formula for new problem” concept that killed them. If they are this unyielding to one another and if their differences are
      more important to them than the wellbeing of Eritrea, and if they want to dump their failure on the Eritrean mass still at home instead of initiating a new approach, we have to appreciate those who saw wisdom behind reform. I am more confident now on those who prefer reform and save the nation instead of going all out for the understandable, but civil war risky, “weeding out” position.

      I have made similar calls as below before, and I may have sound silly the way I articulate them, but I have an absolute confidence that there is enough brain power at awate.com to perform a miracle compared to these “opposition parties” whoever they are. You have the passion, the brain power, the “freshness” on your side to initiate your own movement and succeed. Please Awatistas, combine your talent, unite a few helpers from here and there, and start something! Do not under estimate your selves, and be honest and you will see how powerful you can be. You don’t need these so called “parties” any longer. You will not have to do too much heavy lifting eventually, but you are needed to be the sparks that will give the Eritrean people the chance to take back their struggle into their own hands!

      You defeated religious, tribal, and regional divisions in the 50s, now back sliding, you became a prime example of an organized front to many Africans in the 70s, now back sliding, you became a role model of an African nation in the 90s after only a few years of independence, now back sliding, and yet none of it was accomplished through military strength or a pile of armament but through your indestructible heart. As Haile TG or somebody else said the other day “organizing was never a problem for Eritreans.” You don’t need to be famous to lead Eritrean people. You just need honesty, relate to their ailments and doubts, and have clarity of thought and Eritreans will recognize that very quickly. Please, it is okay to lose the next argument.

      • Sarah Ogbay

        Dear Fanti Ghana,
        I really appreciate your sound contribution on this matter.
        You wrote,
        “Their problem is not just their “failure to hammer out their differences” but their lack of vision and “old formula for new problem” concept that killed them. If they are this unyielding to one another and if their differences are more important to them than the wellbeing of Eritrea,…’.
        Well said. But then you continue to write
        ‘… and if they want to dump their failure on the Eritrean mass still at home instead of initiating a new approach, we have to appreciate those who saw wisdom behind reform. I am more confident now on those who prefer reform and save the nation instead of going all out for the understandable, but civil war risky, “weeding out” position.’

        Where did you honesty fly to? You started by indicating that there is no one opposition entity … and then you already have made your choice – ‘reform’.
        who will reform who? what is there to reform? Don’t you think there is an alternative solution to our plight. How is it that reform which actually will mean changing name DIA to DFW or DAW or DMH, DYM etc. We will be crying dictator… dictator endlessly.
        Who will run the reforming process? will it be PFDJ alone or with these opposition gutless parties that cannot sit together and face each other. When PFDJite talk about reform, they are singing ‘cappuccetto rosso vieni vieni qua……. ti mangiera’ and it will be the end of democracy and opposition will be wiped out for good.
        I believe we can do it the right way now if we get bold enough to face the lamps (opposition groups) in the big dough. we can smoothen it out in terms of priorities. Maybe many of these parties are to feeble to continue and/or to arrogant to publicly dissolve. We would do them a favor if we confront them NOT with the intention of ironing their differences but putting their priorities right.
        Fanti, You said it yourself, we have gone through a lot and came out on the other side alive. We can do it now.

        • Ted

          Dear Sara, it is not about changing the name DIA to DFW or DAW or DMH, DYM etc but changing the the system to be fair to Eritreans.”Who will run the reforming process?” i don’t see a problem who can mobilize the people, Fanti said it well “” You don’t need to be famous to lead Eritrean people. You just need honesty, relate to their ailments and doubts, and have clarity of thought and Eritreans will recognize that very quickly.”
          “opposition will be wiped out for good” i don’t know what the current Eritrean opposition means to you but for most Eritreans it is irrelevant.
          And “we can smoothen it out in terms of priorities” is’t better to try a new approach which includes the grass root. Face lifting the opposition is not the answer.

          How hard is it to imagine Eritrean people are capable of demanding and achieving change?

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Dear Ted,

            The opposition to me is divided into two: The people who are looking for justice, rule of law and peace, the ‘organised groups/wdbat who are supposed to lead the people through their (people’s) cause. So to me the opposition is not irrelevant as its core part is the people, call think grassroots. I don not only imagine their capability, I believe in it.
            ‘to smoothen it out in terms of priorities’ even if you take it literally,does not to do some face lifting on it. Rather it means to focus and put priorities right.

            You wrote, ‘How hard is it to imagine Eritrean people are capable of demanding and achieving change?’. I am surprised by you posing this question to me. Who are these Eritreans capable of…. you are talking about? The PFDJ mafia. For me the Eritrean people are those who are looking for justice, fair treatment, rule of law and respect. I call them opposition because they are against the regime that refuses to give them these and instead is bent to wipe them out of their own country.

            Reform: What is there to reform? do we have an economic policy to reform. I mean other than 09 and ritawi dquanat? Do we have a constitution that can be used in the process of reform? are you going to reform the army whose members are deep into human trafficking ( their own people), generals and colonels with Eritrean blood in their hands. Tell me what is there to reform. The people have been made numb with abuses of different kind. are you going to tell them ‘the gov that killed and mimed you and your children has changed. it is business as usual from now on. Are you going to reform a government that refuses to allow remains of 360 or something young people to receive the proper burial in their land even if they did not have a proper life?
            Who will do the reforming? the opposition? who will be part of it? you think PFDJ will allow the opposition to come to Eritrea to do reform? If you are depending on PFDJ? DIA to do the reform, they are doing it even two to three months by shuffling people from one position to another.

            Ted, let’s talk people please! Let us stop trying to save PFDJ just to spite our neighbors and the world. If Reform was an answer and the regime in Eritrea had an iota of care for the people it would have done it long ago.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Dr. Sarah,

          The more than a dozen group of “opposition” that just declared, “we couldn’t agree on important issues among ourselves” so, “we are giving up the struggle from outside” obviously seems to think that they are the sole owners of Eritrean opposition. The very fact that they found it necessary to declare and phrase it the way they did says volumes. Why I said “… and if they want to dump their failure on the Eritrean mass..” I was just angry at them for wasting 15 years, God knows discussing what, and to now say they couldn’t agree about what needs to be done in addition to their failure to see that life would be many more times difficult for the
          people when fragmented opposition starts “war” among them.

          I see the contradiction of terms about the “opposition” I referred to above, but let me call those I have in mind “new opposition” for clarity. The new opposition is the one you just referred to as the “we” in your “I believe we can do it the right way now if we get bold enough …” The new opposition is the one that is going to be responsible for to reform, to reconcile, to start a new beginning, to root out, to weed out, and in short, to do what the majority Eritreans want them to do; what ever that may be.

          You rightly said “we would do them a favor if we confront them NOT with the intention of ironing their differences but putting their priorities right.” If they can abide to that and similar demands by the public so much the better, but they should never be allowed to be the only ones with the key to the “opposition hall.”

          I am sorry to those in the opposition who genuinely are sacrificing for the people, but the tone and the entire approach by the opposition that just declared, more or less, “we are giving up” just exposed themselves as being those that were positioned to rule instead of positioned to serve.

          Yes, if all else fails whatever reform can be wrestled from PFDJ will have to do. However, what I am thinking of as reform is not necessarily the cosmetic face lift of PFDJ, but whoever starts the fixing-and-healing process should have all Eritreans including PFDJ supporters in mind. Many Eritreans have many reasons for supporting PFDJ. The new opposition needs to recognize what those are and honor them. PFDJ supporters also need to recognize that for instance, having a constitution does not increase any threat of “independence reversal.” In the minimum this is one example where all Eritreans can agree to demand from
          the current government.

          Now, the interesting question is how does “the new opposition” go about taking over the struggle? ኣዴኻስያ ናይዛ ብቖልዓኻ ትሪአካ ትንዕቐካ እንዳኾነ’ምበር I strongly believe that there is enough wisdom at AT to lead Africa
          let alone one opposition group. I believe Haile TG’s heart vs. mind concept and Saay’s let’s sacrifice TPLF to save Eritrea are good examples of fresh ideas.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Fanti,

            Do you mean “…Saay’s let’s sacrifice TPLF to save Eritrea” is noble enough to lead Africa? Can’t understand your last sentences? Could you explain it a bit? Thanks

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Rahwani,

            Hmmm, “I believe Haile TG’s heart vs. mind concept and Saay’s let’s sacrifice TPLF to save Eritrea are good examples of fresh ideas.”

            By the way let’s keep in mind that I am saying as an “idea” at least, he is the first one to publically and openly mention it, and the first one that I know of who is trying to get a good use of it since many Eritreans do go after TPLF for one reason or another in a not so well organized sort of way anyway (Notice how a number of Eritrean sites focus on trying to isolate TPLF/Weyane/Tegaru from the rest of Ethiopia/ns).

            Saay’s complicated mind couldn’t help it but to try to find a way to use that to some advantage. Whether intentional or otherwise it is obvious that the war between Eritrean and Ethiopia benefitted TPLF/Ethiopia in a very interesting way. TPLF appeared “more Ethiopian than previously thought” to many Ethiopians. For the record, TPLF did not change anything whatsoever about its political stand regarding Eritrea or Ethiopia before or after the war, but the very “suspicion” of TPLF/EPLF relationship by many well-meaning Ethiopian’s was put to rest once and for all after Badme.

            Let’s call this “collateral benefit” for now. Now, let me try to explain, at least, the way I see it, what I believe Saay’s is really after.

            He and many others believe that (mind you, this is my interpretation, and not necessarily his idea) that the so called Eritrean “opposition parties” have been ineffective. Since the main cause of
            their ineffectiveness is believed to be their unclear association with Ethiopia why not turn the table upside down and go after TPLF/Ethiopia? The potential benefits of that bold move are obvious. It worked for Ethiopia why wouldn’t it work for Eritrea?

            However, if things are left as is the opposition may not just go quietly into the abyss, but rather they will potentially create chaos for Eritrea by dividing Eritreans into political groups, tribes,
            religions, and even aurajawinet by naturally forcing Eritreans to focus on one another as the cause/s of their problems. Saay thinks about the pros and cons of this ruinous potential, and he comes up with an alternative like so: why not use TPLF/Ethiopia as the main focus for now for the above stated reason, keep our unity intact, and once the dust settles, we will deal with the consequences as usual. By temporarily changing the focus the chances are good that Eritreans
            will have solved their problems way before causing any permanent damage to our people to people relationship. This is much less risky compared to what would happen if Eritreans go after each other’s throat instead.

            Again, let’s keep in mind that he may or may not be thinking what I am saying here at all, but if he is indeed thinking what I think he is thinking then I am sure you can see why I found it to be an
            intriguing idea. If it works fine, but if it doesn’t the harm to both sides won’t be any more than whatever it is right now anyway. Rahwani, if I am correct about this I am sure you can understand my explaining it this way was not a good idea for Saay’s assumed plan, but I had to answer you the way I did because I may have sounded as indorsing the notion of “sacrificing TPLF to save
            Eritrea” concept. Rest assured embeitey I love Saay, but I have a limit.

          • Rahwa T

            Dearest Fanti Ghana,

            You have read my mind and answered my question brilliantly. I like the way you let your ideas flow stressing that it was your interpretation (that it may not necessarily be what Saay is saying). That is what I am lucking and it is good
            that you are so nice being ready to help and make things clear to the likes of me. Others could have ignore my question and left me exposed to unwanted conclusion and judgment. “ember grma Adi! ”. enquaE nayna khonka.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello embeyti Aynei,
            Thank you. Thank you. Thank you (I think 3 repetition is the limit per AT regulation). How kind and sweet of you Rahwani. Among several clues the fact that you caught my “adbesbiso lemalef yetederege mukera” should tell you how good you really are, so let’s split the credit 50%-50%. if you accept I will be very happy.

          • Hose of Stark

            Hello Mr Fanti Ghana

            Did TPLF ordered an elementary school full of children to be bombed?. Do you support when Mr saay says that TPLF bought Abi’s vote by Eritrean blood. Do you believe Abi can be bought by innocent blood of Eritrean. do you support his position, when Mr Saay says TPLF turned a boarder skirmish into full all out war to teach Eritrean a lesson. Mr Fanti Ghana you are entitled your opinion but not to facts.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello House of Stark,

            Did TPLF ordered an elementary school full of children to be bombed?.
            No. neither did Saay.

            Do I support when Mr saay says that TPLF bought Abi’s vote by Eritrean blood.
            Of course not. I am Ethiopian.

            Do you believe Abi can be bought by innocent blood of Eritrean.
            Now, that is an emphatic YES! (enkwan zenbobish drowum Teza nesh). You have no idea what Abi would like to do to Ted.

            I think I made a good effort to show that this is solely my personal opinion of what I think he is thinking. I am sorry if you felt I misrepresented any facts. I had no such an intention. Anyway, I don’t think we need to go back to “elementary school” to understand Saay’s position, but how can I possibly judge Saay or anyone for behaving crazy while under the crazy circumstances we were in? Disclaimer: “he behaved crazy” is a big assumption here.
            Selam.

          • Yoty Topy

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I must say that’s quiet a generous spin on what he is imploring brother. To me, it sounded like an old ideologue hack who is bent on relegating the 1998-2000 war by going after TPLF, which by the way, whichever you look at it Tigray people = TPLF. Therefore his disrespect for organization tantamount to an insult on Tigray people. No, sir! it didn’t come across as someone who is building bridges between the two people. Rather someone with a thinly veiled “divide and attack” agenda with the sole objective of weakening the Ethiopian Union.

            It is no wonder why this issue is the recurrent theme on this website. Because, you have an editor who keeps on throwing these distorted zingers that fit his narrative .

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Yoty, Haile TG,

            Jesus, did you guys discus this before you replied to me? I mean one of you saying it is hard enough, but both of you saying it is too intimidating.

            Yoty,
            can you honestly and in good conscience say that we wouldn’t do exactly the same if the positions were reversed? If you factor that Eritreans have been lied to by successive Ethiopian governments wouldn’t you wonder about “did the war really start after the Eritrean march to Badme in 1998?” Never mind trying to find out the “why” in why he does what he does, but even if he knows for certain that Eritrea is guilty of all charges, what would be Saay’s or any other citizen’s crime except trying to salvage some dignity for his country? I know the truth is much more preferable always, but when the time is not right and you believe that you are running out of time is it really that bad a sin to want to shelf the truth for a little while especially if you also believe that your country’s existence is in the balance? That is really as high as his crime could ever be, and if we look at it from cost/benefit perspective I think this merchant is very crafty to say the least.

            Haile TG,
            “…bail out their friend”? You will surely pay for that, but I do agree with your last sentence “the only solid ground to fight hgdef…” I am strongly leaning toward true, but let me try to share what I think why Saay says no.

            “What if we are wrong about the degree of support PFDJ commands?” could it insure civil war? If so can we survive it? Do we have at least an educated guess how long that might take? But the most serious question is: when is something so risky that no one should entertain it at all?

            That leaves me at “I can’t blame him until I answer the following questions to my satisfaction:”

            If the powers are roughly equal Eritrea stumble into a protracted war.
            IF PFDJ is stronger than I thought, opposition and democracy are lost for a very long time.

            If opposition is stronger against PFDJ its internal divisions will surface and Eritrea will be much worse in no time.
            These and similar questions are what I have in mind he may have in mind when I try to understand why Saay does the things he does.

            I feel like I said this in several places, but for the last time folks: I am more interested on the “why” of Saay’s takes instead of on the “what.”

            Thank you both.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Fanti Ghana,
            I didn’t mean to pile on you. Thanks for your response:)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Yoty,

            Absolutely no problem. I was just surprised by the similarity of your takes which made me doubt my self for a moment. You know the famous adage “seleste gze kelbi kelbi ent’lomkha wuH wuH jemir” given the respect I have for both of you that was what almost happened.
            Thank you Brother.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Fanti Ghana,
            Now that you mentioned it, it does give the impression of fowl play. Gebriel Gelbito Yesamegn…sheer coincidence brother:)

          • haileTG

            Dear Fanti,

            What you’re proposing is what a good friend would do to bail out their friend (even at their expenses). That is good and solid route to friendship. The reality however, that idea had been tried and there was even a theme “Eritrean problems Eritrean solution”! and more was laid out for it. As with all things that are not authentic, it failed. Even a conference organized to rally around that failed to be attended by more than the organizers (sorry, I know that feels awful to say). It gave a reprieve to the regime by creating ground for justice seekers to be senselessly attacked and silenced the people even more by amplifying the regime talking point. In my view, that was one major blunder as far as the opposition (true there are some others too). The heart doesn’t lie, hence the only solid ground to fight hgdef is to take it to task head on and trust on our people that they can be informed of the truth and can handle it (after all they are paying for it).

            cheers

          • selam

            Dear Fanti , you see i was very good to put my fund with you than to the Alpha. You make me proud please push this kind of ideas. You know i donot want to be on my 40 with these groups talking and talking beyond the rome. Good investors are not actually born rich , they just focus on knowing the good market value. I did that on fanti.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Selamey,
            Anti shukor abey Qenikhi?
            I have no doubt that by the time you turn 40 you will be running a serious financial institution in the middle of Asmara. Until then I need a major favor from you. I asked Tes the other day to be kind to you, and he was kind enough to promise me to give it his best try. It would mean a lot to me if you would also try your best to be kind to him. I am hoping that once you give each other a chance to listen to one another, you will see that both of you mean well for your country, and that you have a lot more in common than you both think. To be honest with you Selamey if I had a marriage age daughter (my daughter is too old to obey me now) and she marries Tes I would sleep better at night knowing that she is in good hands. That is how high I think of him. Take your time but please think about it. Imagine my horror if I have to watch you and Tes at each other’s neck until I am 80!

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            The problem with Selam is her investment in overseas account. It will stay overseas. Bad investment !!!
            Merebun Tilewal liyaTemduh begara
            Endatishagerew yanin wenz adera.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Good Morning Abi,

            Once peace is restored, I have a perfect plan for Selamina. My daughter is about Selam’s age (a little older perhaps). They both have a lot in common including finance, Arabic, Tigrigna, speed, wits, and they both are very honest. Although my daughter’s first language is Arabic (long story), but she is also fluent in Amharic. They will both be each other’s liaison in Asmara and Addis respectively, and all I have to do is watch them take over the financial industries of both countries.

            Abisha, I like Ted’s suggestion the other day about Saay. Eritrea needs a peace maker like me, and Ethiopia needs a trouble maker like Saay. It may not be a bad trade after all. Please consider it for the common good of our region. By the way did you read my response to House of Stark yesterday? He gave me a good excuse to blackmail you, and I loved it. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/awate/come_and_see_what_we_want_you_to_see/#comment-2027778332

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I am suspecting your cafe for your limited menu is not doing as you thought. Ethiopians are not completely foreigners when it comes to Eritrea, so i would happily accept their good ideas. Do not be jealous about Fanti. Your local language is just a burden , put them in English.

      • Ted

        Dear Fanti, We have learned a lesson a hard way seeking justice in divided way. Our country will be in deeper trouble if we fail to do the right thing. No better time than now to put our differences aside and mobilize the people for nothing but one, the reform cause.
        Now Ethiopia can take Saay instead of tes since Saay is in to reforming TPLF as well. Well said brother, welcome to Eritrea(bring your Tihlo recipe).

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Commander,

          I strongly believe Ted, what is really safest and needed to be done right now is for every one to stop and think about how they got here, what they can do to improve, to change, or to continue. No one was born with the ultimate understanding of what is good for Eritrea at birth. All the top topics such as reform, weed out, closer with Ethiopia, closer with Arabs, as far away as possible from both, and the like are just opinions that were developed following specific experiences. Not all people experience the same things at same time, hence the difference of opinions. But all of you need to have the patience and the wisdom to recognize that your opinions differ does not mean that you are different from each other. Most of all it should never mean that you are each other’s enemies.

          PS:
          You just made Eyoba’s day brother. He strongly suspects that Saay is closet Ethiopian as it is. Please don’t encourage him.

          • saay7

            Selamat Fanti:

            I love your passion. I am introducing a motion to give you honorary Eritrean citizenship. You know how die hard communists say there is nothing wrong with communism it just hasn’t been executed well? Apparently, it’s the same with Eritrean politics (PFDJ and Opposition): there is nothing wrong at all with what they believe and how they PLAN to execute it what they believe, it just hasn’t been executed. Lets wait for SGJs update.

            About Eyobs allegation. You know the song “I was country long before country was cool”? Well, I am in my Tsom 40 so I can’t mention the rest of the analogy. But ask Dawit, he will fill in the rest.

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello brother Saay,
            You introduce that motion and I will guarantee you minimum 40% votes for whatever office you run. Let me illustrate. A dozen or so of my friends were discussing about how many Eritreans there were total when I walked in to this Eritrean owned coffee shop nick named “geza gerlase.” A few of them shouted toward me “naA naA bejakha Ereqena” as a form of greeting. When one of them tried to remind the rest “but Fanti is Ethiopian” they all shouted “yes, yes we know, but he knows half of all Eritreans: what can you do?”

          • Abi

            Saay
            Zegaye endihon say mado say mado
            Dirshaye eko qere abinetn wedo.
            Fantaye endihon ashagre say
            Medhanitun merTo meqretu new wey?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            You don’t miss anything do you? Please Abi, while I am still Ethiopian, thank your parents for me for bringing you into this world.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            Minew egir aweTah endet feredebign
            Yam anten yam anten ayehut bezabign
            Wedet new mewayah ferahu ene enjalign
            Ayin beztobhal shishig belilign.
            (Aster Awoke)
            Say simeleket behywet eyalehu
            Endet yedrshayen yenen eseTalehu?
            Kewenzu bashager lalu temelkachoch
            Yesu negn belachew
            QurTun nigerachew
            Tesfa yiqureTu sewoch.

        • Abi

          Hi Ted
          It is interesting the market at awate street. A week ago Fanti’s IPO was very low( Tes) Today he is traded very high(Saay). I can’t wait to see what happens when the market opens Monday.
          I’m glad I kept him. You keep following him like the fool fox that followed the ox all day long hoping it’s testicles will drop.

          • Ted

            Dear Abi, understood, that will be stupid to let go knowing he is exceptional “ande lenatu”. Saay is a sacrificial lamb to reshape “you know who” think of us. It would been a win win situation. I see you like Jacky Collins too, Now your lady know why her bubble bath soap is running out.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            Her bubble bath gel running out because she buys travel size only. Tell me your secret.

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Am I still on the market? What is wrong? Awate street should not trade but invite for coffee. Did you brake your coffee making pot last time when you were preparing for all forumers? Come then to Keren city*, you will have a wonderful tea**.

            tes

            * Keren city was the center hub of fortification during the Ottoman empire.

            **A general hypothesis is on its synopsis that states, “Either Turkish learned how to make shahi (tea) from Kerenites or Kerenites learned how to make shahi from Turkish.

          • Abi

            Hello Tes
            I almost missed you. Thanks for the invite. I sent Selam to keren to bring me tea.
            Do you know about my proposal to meet every awatista at massawa? I proposed that long time ago. Bring your tea over there before Hope does.
            Tes , you are still on the market. No buyer yet. I suggest you merge with Selam . That way your yield will be higher. What do you think ? Increase your ” chances”

          • teweldino

            Hi Abi,

            Tes stock has potential for great returns if he decommissions his Newtonian weapons and employs the proven old weapon MU&C* with 6 months investment in Historic Studies. I say we will hold Tes stock and he’s not on the market anymore. We are taking a long term view. As they say -there are no good and bad stocks, there’s only good and bad timing. He will turn out to be the Apple stock.

            *MU&C (Modesty, Understanding & Coherence)

      • Dear Fanti Ghana,
        Your last paragraph is beautifully put, but you seem to have forgotten the important role played by cause-and-effect. The reason for the united reaction/action of the Eritrean people of the 50s and 70s and its absence today, is that the initiating factor in each situation is completely different. Then, there was one common factor (Ethiopia) that united Eritreans, and created a common sentiment in all. Today, we are speaking of DIA and the PFDJ, one’s own devil, created by Eritreans themselves, which cause a love and hate sentiment among Eritreans.
        This is the main reason Eritreans are today so much divided compared to the past, and they cannot unite. On top of this, there is always that evil Ethiopia at the back of almost every Eritrean mind, and the fear of the unknown that might follow. Today, the reason for commitment by all and the willingness to pay the price are simply not there.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Brother Horizon,

          Oh yes, the uniting factor. From what I have been reading at AT recently I think many Awatistas may have a good grasp of the need for that. Of course, we would prefer it to be something other than Ethiopia, but from Eritreans’ perspective “whatever works and the least risky” would be what I would generally expect them to look for, and I sincerely hope that they find it soon.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Fanti Ghana, Dr. Sarah & Tsegereda,
        Please understand that “weedout” is apolitical word and it sound ” kill them out”. That is why you are implying it as calling for a “civil war.” It is inappropraite word. The struggle is to dismantle the system, the repressive system and not to weedout the PFDJ members. Even if it is said by some of the forumers don’t construe what they mean it when they said it. Again weedout is apolitical and shouldn’t be used to begin with in our political discussion. I don’t expect ” you trio” well read, who have good grasp to the nature of the struggle and who by the way could also segregate the inentions and miscommunicating of intensions. Above all if you were more than a year in this forum, you must understand “we the forumers” have different level of political aptitude (innate or acquired capacity and knowledge) on the subject we are talking. Remember the Teds, the Nitriccs, the selams….etc will understand words literally as it is, and they don’t ask what the communicators mean by the choice of their words. You check how nitricc and Ted construe the words of Semere all the time. So forget about the weedout now, the struggle is to dismantle the oppressive system of PFDJ.
        Regarding the reform issue, it is another beast. We have to ask ourselves from whom we are asking reform. Is it feasable? What kind of reform you are looking? Does your reform less than dismantling the repressive system? If it is not, what is our difference in reality? In my book fundamental change means to to dismantle the repressive system and replace it by democratic institutional system. Let me see how your take is on the questions I forward to you “:the trio”. I hope you will answer them. If you do I will get back to you in the evening.
        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Tzigereda

          Dear Amanuel,

          I doubt you read my comment properly, I quoted an article and stated some questions, and am still expecting for your input.

          Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sis Tzegereda,

            I read your questions. I am thinking about it, if I could write an article about the current oppositions to look what possible rearrangement could help them to work amicably and create a situation that could help them to built trust. The big elephant in the Eritrean politics is “mistrust.” I am giving a thought to it but yet in the process. The reason I included you in my comment , because I saw up voting for those who advocate reforms, and as such I want to highlight that there is nothing amendable or reformable in the system. The system ought to be dismantled. Correct me if I am wrong.

            Second regarding our academicians, they aren’t helpful in suggesting solutions. Explaining the situation of the opposition only is not helpful. They don’t want to engage in practical sense. The problem of our nation could not let it to the opposition only. Our academicians are really a disappointment lots.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Mr. Amanuel,
          We have been using “weed out” for so long that I may have forgotten to check for possible interpretations, but I will try to be clear on how I use it next time. So, I stand corrected.
          On “reform,” I am actually glad you asked this question, because it is now obvious that many of us may have a different understanding of what it really means to each and everyone of us. What I call “reform” is the minimum political change required to have a peaceful and democratic nation in which all other issues can be addressed legally without any fear of persecution. Anything less is simply a tactical move, and not a reform. That is my understanding and interpretation of it. So, where ever I used and will use the word “reform” I would hope for it to be understood as such.
          Thank you.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            ‘I call “reform” is the minimum political change….’

            Then you write ‘Anything less is simply a tactical move’ Less than what? less than the minimum political change?

            If you take the Eritrean case how do you expect ‘ minimum political change’ to bring about peaceful and democratic nation? Can we expect maximum from minimum? We are and should be talking about fundamental needs of the Eritrean people and not minimum political change. I don’t even understand what ‘minimum political change’ mean. I would very much appreciate it Fanti hawey if you could elaborate it. Thank you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dr. Sarah,

            The “minimum” I referred to is just an arbitrary figure. That is whatever “change” is needed to “have a peaceful and democratic nation in which all other issues can be addressed legally without any fear of persecution.” What ever method gets us there is what I prefer whether we call it “change,” “compromise,” or “weeding out.” What I am trying to avoid when I say “change” instead of “root out” or the like is a misunderstanding such as “let’s get rid of PFDJ and all its supporters.”
            Selam.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Selam Fanti,
            Treat your brother as you would like to be treated. When we ask for democracy we should be democratic in what we do. So as long as they have not commited crimes against eritreans, Eritrean PFDJ supporters have the right just like the members of the oppostion. Why would any one say ‘let’s get rid of them’. Eritrea as a democratic nation should be able to accommodate differences that do not lead to violence.
            I think you using the word ‘weed out’ in the wrong way. Maybe we all are.
            I am not into weeding out innocent people, but the system and its engineers.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Sarah,
            Now I am sure you missed a lot of discussions on the issues. Let volunteer a recap.

            1. Weed out the PFDJ.

            If we agree the PFDJ is a system, that system is a rotten one and it should be weeded out.

            If the PFDJ is equal to the people, then it is not a system but the incarnation of the nation. Which I am sure me and you do not consider it equal to the people or even the country. It is a cancerous growth that should be done with. I agree it has to be done by doctors and we have a few if they volunteer 🙂

            Now, the armed forces belong to the nation. The institutions belong to the nation. The economic, social and other entities that are confiscated by the PFDJ belong to the nation. All that goes back to its rightful owners, the citizens of the nation. The usurped power also returns to them. And they all operate under a just system after the rotten system is gone. There is no innocent people or noble people in a system. It is a political structure that should be weeded out (I am not into selecting words here, the idea is demolishing the system and weed out is a perfect term)

            The criminal withing the system visit the court. The innocent are not even an issue, the ate citizens like you an me. But if someone sees himself as the system, for example Isaias and his likes, they are equally targeted with the system.

            In short, the idea that innocent people are included in the PFDJ targeting is not so. No one in his right mind will go after Adey Hannsu whom the PFDJ resourcefully gave a party card or a youngster who was made to carry the gun against his will. I hope this clears it.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dr. Sarah,

            I was idly watching TV many years ago when I noticed my roommate’s book about communication. I only read one chapter of it, but it was the right chapter. We think of something to say, and by the time we say it 5% of the actual meaning is lost. From the moment our audience hears and translate it another 5%. By the time they reply another 5%, and so on. So, within about 5 minutes a good portion of what the original idea was is lost.

            My point: it is hard enough to get our ideas across intact even when we are being very careful let alone when we are on a rush or careless. Thank you Dr. Sarah for saying “When we ask for democracy we should be democratic in what we do.” That sums up everything I have been trying to say all day long.
            Selam.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Fanti,
            Back home (in fact in many countries) there is a trade called Patti Lamera, panel beating. That is what they do to repair a smashed mudguard of a car. In other places, the labor cost of repairing a part of the car is so exorbitant it is cheaper to buy a new part and replace it. Weed out is bringing a new spare part, reform is Patti Lamera which doesn’t turn out as smooth and as polished as a new part. I think no one should go for the noisy panel beating when a part can be replaced. PFDJ is just a part, not the entire Eritrea 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            What is that minimum Political change your looking? Explain it please. If the system is a rotten and oppressive system what minimum change in the system are you looking? Second unless the system is defeated and dismantled (not PFDJ members again, as they have stakes in our nation like us) the norm and the nature of the party will continue unabated from the things they are doing now – dictation, coercion, and monopolizing every aspect of our lives. Ab Kalissi langa langa Ayedlin iyu. Do the right thing, and the right thing in our political circumstance is to dismantle the apparatus of oppression. As Saleh G. has said “we can bailout a tyrant” who brought the current reality of our nation and the unforeseen suffering to our people.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. Amanuel,

            It is obvious my “minimum” has been misunderstood.

            To be sure we are in the same page let me start with my sentence which included “minimum change” earlier.

            “What I call “reform” is the minimum political change required to have a peaceful and democratic nation in which all other issues can be addressed legally without any fear of persecution.”

            In the context I used it a minimum change is a change acceptable enough to most Eritreans that would also allow them to express their voices without fear of any kind. How to get there and what percentage of PFDJ is changed was not in the topic. By the way, the discussion got to that point when I was discussing about what other alternatives to consider if indeed the “opposition” fails. That was in reference to the group of opposition
            parties that declared “we are unable to agree.” With that spirit my purpose was to look for ways to wrestle some compromise from PFDJ with which Eritreans can have a country where all citizens would have a voice using a system that is established with a pre agreed upon method. In other words: constitution. However, until someone presents a persuasive argument against it to convince those who may be thinking like me, PFDJ will have to be included in the authoring of that constitution. I believe this concept is strong enough to guarantee every one to have a voice while reassuring PFDJ supporters that no one will be hunted for revenge.

            In the other hand what I believe should be avoided is what seems like a double standard when some people slip and pre judge some actions of PFDJ without having an established rule of law with which they can serve justice with. I don’t mean people shouldn’t voice their grievances, far from it, but we must be careful on how we explain and use justice verses revenge and improvement verses replacement. For every question of “reform by whom” there is another “dismantled by whom.” Obviously the merits of my take are still debatable, but at least, that is what I am trying to say.
            Thank you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Very shocking and baffling not to put your argument in to the contextual nature of the regime. At least let me remind you one thing. Any tyranny regime is dictated by his own will and it has a political system in which it holds total authority over society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life where ever possible. To do that, Issayas and his party have established brutalist structure, which as an expression of totalitarianism.

            George Orwell in the “ministry of truth” described the totalitarian regimes as an “enormous pyramidal structure soaring up terrace after terrace” to protect their own will and power. So does our dictator. Issayas has designed a Panopticon-like institutional building which allows “a single watchman (like himself) to observe the inmates of an institution without the inmates being able to tell whether or not they are being watched.” That is the reality of Eritrea. And your argument sounds exactly as an inmate who doesn’t understand the nature of regime we have. Totalitarian regimes do not understand the word “compromise.” Their dictum is live and rule or die seeking enormous authority. In such scenario power is removed by power and there is other alternatives.

            Please read Horizon’s recent comment in response to me. He explained precisely the current stand within the oppositions camp. He read the submissiveness and hopelessness in the struggle of justice seekers. He categorize them in to two. Those who lost their hopes and surrender to an Utopian dream of compromise with the tyrant and those who understand the uncompromising nature of the regime and stick with their guns power is removed by power. Horizon depicted correctly our status as it stood currently now. So haw Fanti Ghana, begging for a tyrant doesn’t work. Unfortunately those who seeks compromise with tyrant (haven’t compromising nature) are indirectly helping not only to consolidate his absolute power, but also to build a successive powers for generations.

            One shocking statement I didn’t expect so far from you is: “some people slip and pre judge some actions of PFDJ without having an established rule of law with which they can serve justice with.” It sounds PFDJ argument. If you believe in rule of law, why do you think they (Issayas and his part) avoided it for over two decades? Doesn’t it sound an expression of an ambivalent mind? Unfortunately not only you, the whole Eritrean people are mired with ambivalence on the nature of the regime we have.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Good morning and thank you Mr. Amanuel.

            I believe I have a good grasp of what PFDJ is all about, but then again you never know.

            Assuming I do, what I fear the most is the unexplained nature of what you referred as “power is removed by power” idea. I would accept that if we can define it properly keeping the changed nature of our era
            verses the era in which that political ideology was effective. Never mind the “where do we base our troops” and ” have we made an accurate study to insure its success” dilemma for now, but it would still be
            extremely prudent to consider the consequences of trying to remove the government under the division and mistrust Eritreans are mired with at the moment. ካብ መናገዲ ስንቂ ዘዘ ከይከዉን፤፤

            Let’s get down to the nitty-gritty of Eritreans’ issues for a moment
            kebesa vs metaHt
            Hamasien vs everybody else
            Moslems vs Christians
            Federation vs separation
            Democracy: whatever the cost
            Independence: whatever the cost
            Afar, Kunama, and possibly Reshaida issues
            ELF-EPLF unfinished business?
            And of course, Ethiopia

            Mr. Amanuel, I strongly believe that you are one of the most honorable Eritreans I have come to know at At, and however you answer my multi-pronged questions below I will take them to heart as your ultimate truth.

            Given your extensive experience in politics and your profoundly thoughtful nature do you believe that the opposition is ready to handle the above listed potential problems to the satisfaction of everyone involved without using some amount of force?

            If yes how would that make them any different than PFDJ? If no how can they blame those who want to hold on to PFDJ until there is a viable alternative?

            If you agree that the first step the opposition should take is to form a constitution, and the Kunamas and Afars say they will not participate unless their secession or some sort of federation is guaranteed first will
            the opposition oblige or use force to subdue them?

            If you believe the constitution can wait until all Eritreans are in agreement how long would that be and how would that be any different than PFDJ?

            What plans does the opposition have regarding ELL?

            How far down the hierarchies will the opposition go to seek justice for those wronged during the current government?

            I could go on for couple more pages on this, but I am sure you get my drift. These and many more questions have to be taken into consideration before Eritreans reject any form of compromise with the current government. Don’t get me wrong, I am not necessarily prescribing a solution. What I am reflecting is what many of my Eritrean friends express as their main issues when they explain why they prefer to stick with PFDJ at least for now. It is hard for me to disagree while a reliable alternative remains elusive.

            I know most political movements and organizations make sense at least, on paper until they hold power, but then “something” happens to them. If you recall Derg just before taking power it is hard to imagine anyone to be that eloquent in addressing public demand issues including “in a country where every Ethiopian should have one car each… how can we be this poor?” So on and so forth. It was received with a deafening applaud until its true nature started to surface.
            I don’t mean to equate the opposition with Derg, but a reminder that revolutions do indeed get kidnapped.

            Please Mr. Amanuel as pressing as Eritrean current situation is let the opposition consider all possible potholes before rushing into possibly worst situation. To address and prepare for most of the possible issues I raised above it is vital for the opposition to find a common ground with PFDJ and its supporters.
            Selam.

          • Dear Amanuel Hidrat,
            (From an observer of Eritrean politics from south of the Mereb).

            The discussion opposition vs dictatorship is changing its characteristics and becoming a talk of defeat and compromise on the part of the opposition, and victory on the part of dictatorship. After so many years of despicable crimes committed against the Eritrean people by the inhuman regime, that has drove out of the country hundreds of thousands of able-bodied young Eritreans and brought the economy to nadir, caused their death in tens of thousands in all corners of the world and has forced the Eritrean people to live in the worst type of hardship, the opposition seems to have come to the
            conclusion, that it has failed abysmally, and there is nothing remaining but to concede defeat and apply to the kind heart and the wisdom of the dictator (as if dictators suffer from too much good heart and a lot of wisdom). They seem to have come with the following two scenarios of defeat and surrender, and one dignified stand against the regime.

            1) “Accept defeat and leave the regime to its own fate”. This is the worst scenario and the biggest disappointment to all those who fought dictatorship directly and indirectly for so long. It is an insult to the souls of those who died due to the actions of the most inhuman dictatorial regime ever seen in this 21st century. The souls of those who died at the borders, the Sahara, the Sinai and the Med.
            Sea are begging justice to be done. Abandoning their memory and blessing their killers is the biggest crime yet to be committed on these poor souls.

            2) “Reform the regime and give it a human face”. Can the regime in Asmara be reformed? Over the last twenty years of opposition politics, mainly verbal and minor military assaults, the regime did not flinch a bit, and on the contrary, it became worse by the year. Just imagine the satisfaction of the narcissist and egoistic DIA, when he sees the opposition coming to concede defeat carrying a rock on their shoulders. That is when he will be more emboldened, and he would say to himself, indeed I am Cesar, the sun god of Eritrea. I am the emperor for life, and my empire will be continued by my sons. grandsons etc, as in N. Korea.

            3) Finally, “The opposition which says we have crossed the Rubicon, we have broken the bridge behind us, and there is no way we are going to compromise”. These people are demanding for dismantling and weeding out of
            the regime. Some people have misunderstood the word “weed-out”. It is completely different from “weed-out and throw into the fire or destroy”. It means remove them from their roots (political, economic and social positions) and make them incompetent, and if they have committed crimes bring them to the court of law and incarcerate them if their crimes are proved.
            If they hand over power to the people peacefully, we will be generous and we will handle them in the way the law demands and we will respect their legal rights. If not we are ready to take their power by force, and we will work for this until we achieve them. This is the only language they can understand, and the only respectable
            position against this inhuman regime. If one is afraid of the nightmare of a confrontation, which after all could come with the minimum damage, especially if the military is with the opposition, which can be achieved if the opposition works diligently with the armed forces, because there are many disgruntled military officers and soldiers. This could start a domino effect within the
            military. That was what happened in Ethiopia in 1974. (Please, avoid the type of the lukewarm uprising of 2013). I am sure that Eritrea would not fall to the
            type of dictatorship that replaced HS if the military plays a major role. These are different times and a different situation is in front of us.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Horizon,

            Good reading as to the nature of the opposition as we stand of now. The oppositions are mired as usual with ambivalence attempting to walk on a branch road at the same time. Very sad scenario, but we shall prevail. The power of a tyrant can only be snatched by power. It is not a new rule but a universal rule dictated by the nature of the tyrannical regimes. It will be overwhelmingly arduous battle, but surely we will prevail.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Amanuel,

          Thank you. It is always better to put the meaning clearly as you have done it. in history we have experienced how words has been playing dangerous games. like the one we had “smur gnbar” and “Mulu’e smret”

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Amanuel hawey,
          Greetings. It in this kind of forum it is easy to misunderstand where someone is coming from when they give opinions or comment on others’ opinions. My understanding of reform is ‘make some amendments’. My opinion/ stand of reform in Eritrea now is that it is too late and too much damage has been done, mostly deliberately. There is nothing to reform as the country does not have a constitution, any kind of policy for all sectors etc. Anything can change when and the way DIA wants it. No rule of law. How can you reform such a ‘state’? who can/will do the reform? these are the questions I posed Ted this morning.
          As you said, ‘weed out’ is used to by people who want to imply that the opposition is looking for civil war or wants change even if there is a risk of civil war. It is also used to scare people in the PFDJ camp. like the opposition is HUNGUGU. So I don’t use the ‘weed out’ thing. Of course, I believe that justice should be given to many victims in the Democratic Eritrea I am dreaming of.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Sarah,

            I read the following in your comment:

            “As you said, ‘weed out’ is used to by people who want to imply that the opposition is looking for civil war or wants change even if there is a risk of civil war.”

            I do not only say it, I believe the PFDJ should be weeded out. Are you accusing me of implying that the opposition is looking for civil war? Please explain before I go any further.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Selam Saleh,
            I was am not accusing you or anyone else. I didn’t even know you used that word. I hope you are not threatening me as well. The point I was making is in the debate on fundamental change or reform/ forces or peaceful etc kind of dichotomy many PFDJ sympathizers would like to go for reform and indicate/imply that fundamental change can/will initiate civil war as if fundamental change seekers are primarily after the people in position only and not after change of the system. Weeding out PFDJ as a system/regime is a fundamental change for me. Hopefully the individuals will face justice at a later stage.
            As Haw Amanuel said, it all depends on what we mean by the words or how we use them. I hope I have made myself clear.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Dr. Sarah:
            sorry to interject between you and Saleh. But let me say that I use weed out and dismantle interchangeably and I even once explained that both are the same, just matter of semantics. I said Emma likes dismantle and agonizes on the difference, Saleh uses weed out but the end result is the same: disabling PFDJ. Dismantle is more technical, which Emma is, weed out is more artistic, which Saleh is. I am a cross between both:-)
            But in both cases, dismantling and weeding out as Saleh once said, we do not mean every PFDJ, a card carrying adey Tabetu. Think of the weed, found in your garden called dandelion, it is a super food that forces cancer cells to commit suicide, so when we weed out we must be mindful of the gem like dandelion . and when we dismantle we must be mindful of diamond amid the rubble. I am fond of saying and Sal is my witness if he is willing, once the dust settles and all is done and said we will be amazed at the latent heroes within PFDJ who are writing the future history of our people, it is just human natur to have the duality of evil and good
            I am sure you and Saleh do not have difference in what you want see in Eritrea, your diction maybe different, same goes with Saleh and Emma
            Also let borrow a phrase from Sal (let me drive this dude crazy) and say that you are one of the ppl here who bring the best in me, yay! I do have some best left after all this abuse from PFDJ 🙂
            writing while sipping dandelion tea,.Sal, Green tea so 1970, where is Hidmoy I can contribute about health and diet while am fasting from the E and T words 🙂

          • saay7

            Hi iSem:

            You want a Hidmo; Nitricc wants a Hidmo: a dedicated blog page where you guys can share your stream of consciousness. How about we give a joint Hidmo: only if you promise not to give us a re-run of akroyd-cutis Classic SNL “point/counterpoint”. This one:

            https://screen.yahoo.com/point-counterpoint-lee-marvin-michelle-000000157.html?soc_src=unv-sh&soc_trk=ma

            saay

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            What is going on in this site? Abi wants to marry Selam to Tes; and now you want Sem and Nitricc to share a Hidmo? Is anyone offering some free flights for a successful experiment on “Do Opposites Really Attract”? I am sure on one thing though. What ever they do, Nitricc and Sem could not knock down a habesha hidmo walls made of stone.

            By the way, Tes is Awate’s most eligible bachelor. Fanti also wants him to marry his daughter. He actually said: ” I would sleep better at night knowing that she [Fant’s daugher] is in good hands [Tes]”! I have one advice to Fanti. Get Tes’s shed keys as gezmi (he can take them from you in the morning and he has to return the keys to you in the evenings). As for good night’s sleep, you will have get used to Zebib Areqi.

          • saay7

            Hi Teweldino:

            Tes has been calling for his own Hidmo since Awate 4.0. iSem just asked for one to talk about green tea. What better way to create the first topic by giving them a joint room:

            iSem: Let’s talk about the health benefits of organic non-caffeinated tea
            Nitricc: Toothless…Canada…welfare…lol.

            Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

            We will also give Tes and Selam their own hidmo. As you know, when a male and female argue, the very American thing to say is “get a room, you too!” But we are still Eritrean, so they will talk politics:

            Tes: Using Newtonian logic, I have discovered that there is a School of Gwal Hdrtna which only meets at night.
            Selam: what is gwal hdrtna? I don’t understand Tigrinya. To prove it, here’s a proverb that is used only by Tigrinya-language experts.

            Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

            We will even give a hidmo where Teweldino and Abi can discuss literature, or what passes for literature in the low-brow taste of Abi:

            Teweldino: What do you say when shekologobangoshay is unjust? zeyftHawinritAwin Shekologobangoshay…
            Abi: Sydney Sheldon, Jackie Collins, Harlequin Romance Books remind me of this random Amharic proverb:ቂጡ የቆሰለ ውሻ እንደልቡ አይጮህም

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal: Nice one
            But your forgot these two 🙂
            You brought all these without a shred of proof, where is your stats. It is just your usual “ashmure to our social groups, it is apolotical, ageographical, aEritreanis, aELF. Historian will prove you wrong. AbuSalah you must dismantle this thinking. Please do not poke my eyes with this humor, you laugh. Our social groups are crying and prolific educators and prolific writers like you waste time in the so called “ashmure” By the way, where is the science,

            Beloved cuz!! Sal. Let me disabuse you for a moment, omni contradictione mendaces sunt. You can take me to court, but am not habesha, I do not like history but can read it veraciosly,legerunt veracioulsy truly, veriatium praetitum

          • Saleh Johar

            Semere!
            This forum is on fire today. I like your Latin. Here is my Latin for you:
            Semeretumum Andomus, Nel nome del Padre, del Figlio e dello Spirito Santo.
            I will translate it for those who are not proficient in Latin. It means, “Semere Andom, it is too late, go to bed.”

          • Nitricc

            ” I hope you are not threatening me as well.”
            Hi Sarah; I think you are reading way to much Semere’s articles. where did you get that SJ is threatening you. he asked you to explain and it is your choice to explain or ignore. you are not related to Tes are you?

          • Saleh Johar

            Sarah,
            And how is a question for clarification a threat, or anything close to it? K’af yeweTa efaf as Abi would say, I din’t jump on you, I asked, at least you should have offered me the same courtesy instead on jumping. I have expressed my view in this so many times and I am not willing to go on it again. You do not have to know that I used the word, but I would say I could be among the first, if the first one, who used it here. My suggestion would be, don’t generalize to stay safe from unintentionally attacking others. You statement was a general and whether you knew or not, you included me. That is all I am saying…

          • Ted

            Dear Sarah, I disagree in many points.
            Reform does not have a formula to specifics, did it occurred to you Reform can be as big as changing the head of the state. .” There is nothing to reform the country does not have a constitution, any kind of policy for all sectors etc.” It is not true, they have a policy and laws only to serve them, Reform includes every aspect of laws and policies that include establishing constitution. Who/ how part is easy, it is not whether PFDJ can accept the demand or not, but if we can mobilize the people under one cause to show we are the force to reckon with.. And as said , individuals with honesty and clear vision can rally people to their goal and show of care goes a long way which the opposition lack greatly.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ted,

            You are right. You just forgot I am not willing to make arguments that should be made by the regime. Anything that is said to support their position must be said by the PFDJ. Nor by the opposing side. Only them can all this make sense. But being on the opposite side, I have no obligation to bail out a terrible and oppressive regime.

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, that is the whole point, to show a united force to make them sit on a round table to present their version of justice or lack of it then we have all we need to pursue the right measures. It begins and almost ends when we are considered worthy opponent.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ted,

            I tottally agree with you one has to be relevant to be taken seriously by his opponent. The position of the regime on this was made clear on many occassions, and sometime ago by the PFDJ ambassador in Israel who said something to the effect of “carry arms and remove us (the PFDJ” That is a clear call for civil war, but unfortunately, those who want to weed out that despicable group are accused when they have nothing to do with the civil war that the PFDJ is fanning. But you are absolutely correct on being a worthy opponent.

            Though unrelated to your comment, here is the problem as I see it:

            Everyone chooses a position.

            1. There is the PFDJ, which I consider an enemy on one side.
            2. There are the people I belong to in the opposite side.
            3. If some want the opposition to recognize the PFDJ, (or its right to be reformed) first they must pressure the PFDJ to recognize the opposition. Then convince Isaias he and his clique are not elect of God but brutal oppressors.
            4. If someone sees himself neutral to the issue between the PFDJ and the opposition, they should play the role of an arbitrator and I will pray for them.
            5. But teh would be arbitrators should not ask me to shift my position and be with the neutral group (whom I call silent-something) or the PFDJ group. I am not.

            That is what is confusing many people who think they belong to the opposition camp when they cannot decide whether they are arbitrators or something els. I am not an arbtrator, I am part of the struggle to unseat the PFDJ. I hope this clears it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dearest Dr. Sarah,

            Reform is implied when the system is to remain there, but you make some reforms in certain institutions within the system. In our nation the system is the problem. No change will occur by keeping the system intact and making certain reforms here and there for temporary deceptions. I am just emphasizing your point you have stated above. Don’t forget the problem is not Issayas only but the system he installed in the nation. Our politics “tehaquinu tehaquinu kitsea Iyo” as we keep our exchange civil and substantive.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • tes

          Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

          I think we have agreed on the terminology of “weed-out” and dismantlement” process unless you want to say, “my way is the highway”.

          It is very simple and this is what we mean when ever we mention.

          1. Weed-out PFDJ
          2. Dismantle the system installed by PFDJ
          3. Reform the government.

          Hence, there is nothing wrong within its political term unless you want to hold your Aboy Keshi title. When we say weed-out, we understand what we are saying. Those who twist things (you mentioned some of the urdent PFDJites and you seem afraid of exposing the term), let them do as they are doing in everything.

          tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Tes,

            Stop your stupid language. Now I know, those moderate Eritreans have the right to irritate by your language and your likes. The motto of this struggle is to bring justice by removing the apparatus of oppression and bringing all the culprits to court of justice. We are not here to revenge and do what PFDJ are doing now. What makes you different than them then. I repeat, we are not here to weed-out PFDJ members.

            Again look your list to do 1, 2, 3, the sequence of events you put forward. First your idea is an insane idea to say the least. Second if you dismantle the system, there is nothing to reform. What you need is install “a democratic constitutional government”. There is no logic and common sense to reform a government when the system is dismantled. You can reform government when the system is to continue there. Third, if you want to be a politician, then use a correct political terminology that doesn’t have a negative connotation. You are deflecting some of our alliance in our effort to bring the necessary changes. You can’t come and run your own language and terminologies to confuse and irritate people. Forth don’t be bullish.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            Haha, calm down, calm, calm. I know I was in the process of making a new, young and energetic fighter. For how long can DIA will claim healthy and energetic? Amanuel Hidrat has also a right to claim and here he is on spot with tes, the Newtonian man. This was what tes was exactly trying to provoke for long time. Now we have a new Amanuel Hidrat and no more Aboy Keshi.

            tes’s provocation worked!!! Bravo tes, you worked hard to awake dead man. Superbe!

            Seriously then, no more Aboy Keshi. I will be in a serious political discourse with you from now on wards as you are awake from your deep sleep. I was trying to construct a new Amanuel Hidrat and I succeeded.

            We have got an Awate University without ABoy Keshi. Amanuel Hidrat, a real fighter who is is resurrected from the Never Land is now in the field.

            Let’s forget now for your mini lecture. I am just so delighted for your awakening.

            tes

          • Passerby

            Tes aba dahri,
            Amanuel has a point. How do you dismantle the regime and reform it? Can you demolish a house and paint it?

          • tes

            Dear Passerby,

            Good question.

            First of all, when we mention government, we need to believe that Eritrea as a sovereign country has a government. What type of government is another issue. For example, in Eritrea, we have a PFDJ controlled government.

            Then, we need to ask who is PFDJ.

            Second: A simple answer can be: PFDJ is a dictatorial organization that works as ssystel to run its activity. In short, it has an ideology that does not tolerate other opposing ideas. Therefore, PFDJ as an organzation has installed a system to run the government and hence the state.

            Third: Who makes the system to work as it is now? Then we have human resource within the organization. These people who control the system are invididuals.

            From this we have three hierarchies:

            1. Few people who make the sytem to work, the criminals, the weed and hence they need to be weed-out.

            2. The system, is just like that of a aosftware. Then, the software need to be formated. Hence, we have dismantlement system.

            3. One the weed is removed and system is removed, the government remains as hardware free of any software. Only at this time then we can Reform the government.

            Dear Passerby, there are individuals who call Eritrean sovereignity as a “FAKE-ONE”. These people equate Eritrean governement = PFDJ. or PFDJ = PFDJ members. This is a wrong conceptionand.

            The logic is: People form a system, and the system runs the government. If the system is of dictatorial like that of Eritrea, then who run the system are dictators too.

            But government, as a hardware always stays where it should stay. The hardware can work with any system installed on it. Today Eritrean government is controlled by PFDJ system and once the system is dismantled, a new system will be installed.

            Additional Remark:

            Brother Amanuel is member of Bayto, an exiled and self appointed Eritrean government that runs on a number of compiled opposition system. And lets remember this opposition system that formulated Bayto* has so diversified systel that ranges from forming ethnic based autonomous states upto a level of rights to self determination.

            Amanuel Hidrat’s agenda is to dismantle the fake and existing Eritrean sovereign governement and install the exiled and Addis Ababa residing Eritrean government.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Tes,

            What is a state? and What is a government? you get to know that, otherwise you can’t talk on what is going to be dismantled. Your comment make me to suspect and ask you the question. What institutions comprise a state and a government?

            regards,

          • tes

            Dear Amanule Hidrat,

            I have been with you for two years almost and you know my lines very well. Hence I will not give such elementary defintitions. If you have time, read this by yourself. http://wiki.eanswers.com/en/Government?ext=t&cid=5062

            Take my note; Eritrea has a govrnment by default at these days. The government was internationally recognized in 1993 but later on it became under full onctrol of PFDJ system since 1994. At these days, our struggle is to dismantle PFDJ system and form a democratic government. Since 1994, Eritrean government is uder PFDJ system, and once the system is removed, Eritrean government will be reformed to have a democratic system.

            To accomplish this, the first initial step is to “WEED-OUT” criminals within the current system. Unless you want to twist things, you know what we mean, “weed-out”; It is not killing but bringing them to justice.I am not though naive on how justice can be maintained during during struggle, remember “by all means concept”.

            Again, make sure, by all means is fully based on Eritrean problems by Eritreans themselves approach.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            Tes, take it easy. I disagree with Amanuel Hidrat on many things but not on this one. Do you really know what “weed out” mean in its regular English usage? It is to kill and remove this undesirable plant permanently.
            I don’t know what an equivalent Tigrinya or Arabic words are for the same effect.
            .
            You in Paris, someone else in New York or Los Angeles, still others in Canada can agree on what it is intended to mean, that is fine. Translation or not it will revert back to its normal meaning in the field if that situation lend itself. Is that what you want?
            Couldn’t you find a suitable unambiguous words to mean dismantle and reform or whatever?
            .
            To begin with, when you give an unflattering name to people by calling them cockroaches or weeds, you are sawing a bad seed. Refrain from such words, instead of helping your cause it weakens it. Call me Keshi, if you want but search your conscience and see if you really want to call another Eritrean a weed.
            .
            K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kim,

            You are forgetting one thing. There is the “you give them an inch they take a mile” dilemma. Over the last 15 years the opposition has compromised on many things to appease the so-called silent majority, the opportunists. They always want more. What starts as reform will lead to “let’s have an honorable surrender.” So, there is more than a foreign language play here. Just to show you a different perspective. Weed them out it is.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mr. Saleh Johar,
            .
            The concern of others and mine is illustrated by our own Awatista tes’s interpretation of the strategy, when he said “Weed’em out a special strategy where the unwanted criminals can be picked and justice to be taken on them”
            .
            I think the proper position should be that all who caused harm and injury to the nation in the last couple of decades will be brought to justice in a court of law. I understand your position, I just hope you will take all the factors into consideration and change the one word “weed”. It has so many ways it can go, why not narrow it so that all foes and friends alike know what is meant.
            .
            I thank you for your response.
            .
            K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim,
            You know this is not a court where we are required to use the proper English word. In such a discussion, using metaphors and synonyms is okay. We know the PFDJ is not a plant with roots, but weed them out is just like you do to the roots to finish the plant, you weed out (metaphor) the PFDJ. I think Tes is on the right path. As for me, I don’t see why I should yield to pressure and make the word sound softer. Why? To appease those who want to speak in softer language with an enemy? Let them do their thing and leave me to mine.

          • haileTG

            Selam K.H and SGJ,

            Here is a rational for weed-out 🙂 Given that over 80% of our people are with agricultural background, wouldn’t the “weed out” phrase be considered very appropriate in relating the concept through analogies easily comprehensible to the majority? Of course, few Asmarinos might light up their pot when instructed to “weed out’, but the majority would know what to do 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG
            Indeed, the problem is with Asmarnos, the closest we have to the Diaspora softies : -) but they are not even equal in numbers to the stakeholders who stormed Europe in the last few years, or a fraction of those in refugees camps. Lead, be led or get out of the way should be the message. More appropriately, ferah aymote, teba’a aymote, langa langa ….. Langa langa mesengelena seromuna. It is ridiculous! Even Kim thinks the opposition gave up! Kim, please do not judge the opposition based on the langa langa, they have been pulling back the very compromising opposition back for too long. All the compromise the opposition made patiently to encourage them to join the struggle were of no value to them. Would they compromise in return? No. They dictate the mode of struggle, the language, everything and the opposition is supposed to give in to all their trivial demands. No, they don’t like No for an answer. But they encouraged it. It is No and NO. Do they really have to replicate the PFDJ exclusionary politics? Hell no.

          • Peace!

            Dear SJ,

            You said: “What starts as reform will lead to “let’s have an honorable surrender.” Jut out of curiosity how do you know that?

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace,

            I know that from experience. By the way you forgot “Weed out Derg” in your list.

          • Peace!

            Dear SJ,

            Good point! Well, the Eritrean people managed to weed out the brutal dictator Derg, and now they are saying it is not easy to weed out parts of ourselves.

            Regards

          • selam

            Dear peace
            If you do not listen to the majority and say my way or the cliff , well it takes15 years to have 37 groups who are well under big illusions. The so called opposition leaders are quite egostic people , imagine to wait for such people to leade. Why will the Eritreans give hand to more of the same? Some people in the opposition camp are blind and they can not see any colour. Can you imagine 15 years and keep distancing from one another ? They do not learn from their mistakes. Compromise and make a deal is not worthy of their ego. So to be taken a worthy opponents they should sit and talk and work out their differences . Unless they will not represent the Eritrean people by sitting and talking more

          • haileTG

            Selamat Selam,

            “So to be taken a worthy opponents they should sit and talk and work out their differences .”

            That is the crux of the matter. Let me add that it is a take it or leave it last offer too. Now, what role can we play as people to encourage them to do so? That is other than demeaning and belittling them?

            Regards

          • selam

            Dear Haile TG
            well to respond to your question , i will just see what is that they do not sit and talk to each other? Nothing is stoping them . We can contribute to give them more voice and also be owners of the cause by such give them resources, the lists are more but to get such they should sit and listen to each other. The Eritrean people are very generous and once they get the perfect side to lend their hand they make miracles. We can do it and we should push them to listen to each other. I do think time is running out but still trying is good.

          • haileTG

            Thank you Selam, I can’t put it any better. In fact, on a positive note, one thing I would add too is that by giving them the resource, voice and guidance that they will need to succeed, we are putting ourselves (the people) firmly on the control seat. In other words, that is citizen power. Of course, we needn’t be all carrot too, a stick applied wisely wouldn’t do them much harm either. That way, they would be sure to respect the people and the people would sure value them and care for them. We just need to avoid overly rejecting them because even if we do that as parents to our kids, it is a matter of time before the kid would walk out on us. Thanks for your positive and valuable observation.

          • Peace!

            Dear Selam,

            The funny thing is them the opposition groups are not interested to clean their own houses. I mean how about weeding out their backyard first?

            regards

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            Your problem is with the incapability of the opposition group, right? Then go and beg PFDJ for reform. I hope Ela-Ero will be closed by that time. Weizero Fozya has dumped on your face Civil Penality Codes for the already punished society. What will reformers have on their left pocket?

            tes

          • Peace!

            Dear Tes,

            What happen?? Last time I checked you were feeling a bit better, sorry my man. Well, have you tried the weed out dose? Give it a shot bro, except that its side effect is DEATH.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Hi SJ. What you have experienced in your generation; do you think will effect the next generation? With everything what has happened; there are benefits and one of the benefit is, there is a life time lesson to do things the right way. As they say; experince is not what happen to you but what you do with what happened to you.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitric.

            Right And wrong is generation blind. Particularly with justice and freedoms. Resolve, dedication and courage might change with generations.

          • Tzigereda

            Dear Saleh,

            I would like to clarify that the initial talk ( the quoted article) was explicitly about the political organizations ( the traditional & new ones) and civil associations and not about individuals ( popular or less popular )in the opposition camp who have been doing excellent jobs and deserve the greatest respect. Now, my view and concern about ” ” phrases” ,and ” slogans”: “qal yimerH…”. I remember your impressive speech three years ago in Bologna where you told the audience how important perception is ( regarding ” Eritreas solution for eritrean problems”). As Kim said the implication of words are important, and whom I want to adress. When we in the opposition say we care about the eritrean people and want to inspire the people to stand against the artrocites of the regime I think promoting our policies ( concerning the needs of our people, in justice, economically, educationswise, health care, socially…) would be more important than” Kinbunqurom ina, kinAxdom ina ” sounding pharses. “Negative” terms would inevitably lead to unnecessary and adverse effects specially when the ” langa-langanet” is deep there. Sticking to the ” slogan” weed out or No” remindes me ” …zeybele kabanA yifele..”. I am afraid this will further aggravate unnecessary “misunderstandings”, as we’re already witnessing. This will not yield any positive impact on our fight for justice. Using the slogan ” weed out” doesnt make me more determined, leaving it out doesnt make me weak, and it has nothing to do with shoddy compromises, because I have no doubt that one day justice will prevail and those criminals ( IA & his cohorts) will be held accountable. PFDJ will never ” reform” by itself ( tactical adjusments ,yes). It should be forced to if it wants to exist further now and in the future as a party in post IA era.
            But again we are concerned and talking about reforming the opposition org/ civil associations.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            As an agriculturalist, I know the term, “weed” very well. But before dealing with a small discussion at hand, let’s put again the definition of weed.

            1. a valueless plant growing wild, especially one that grows on cultivatedground to the exclusion or injury of the desired crop.

            2. Any undesirable or troublesome plant, especially one that growsprofusely where it is not wanted

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weed

            Weed’em out has been discussed here in detail. Amanuel Hidrat knows it very well. In fact, we have reached into a general consensus as our intention was the same (I thought???). But here Amanuel Hidrat thought that we are not reading him and has gone very far to negate us.

            Weed’em out is a special strategy where the unwanted criminals can be picked out and justice to be taken on them. There is no revenge here (Amanuel terribly failed here). Therefore, stay corrected.

            tes

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Mekari sew yisTih yilal sew simeriq
            Eyastekakele dehna adrigo yemiyariq
            Gize yeseTew qil dingay bisebrim
            Maezen hono bet ayaqomim
            Silezih memhir fitsum atqoTa
            Eyesemah chalew andandun belTaTa

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            Gebtognal mikreh. Eyamesgenku negn.

            regrrds,

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Amanuel,

            Sorry, but I want to give you Amharic quiz (just for fun). Tell me the meaning of the word “yemiyariq” (2nd line Abi’s Poem).

          • Peace!

            Dear Tes,

            We also have practical examples of Weed-out:

            Weed-out LIBYA
            Weed-out IRAQ
            Weed-out SYRIA
            Weed-out YEMEN

            And the fascinating thing is the term Weed-out is used pretty much by former ELF fighters, and perhaps that’s why it sounds more for REVENG than a slogan for meaningfull change.

            Regards

          • Passerby

            Peace,
            So you are saying weed out is used by ex-ELFites and is an abbreviation for the revengic statement “weed out-Eplf(now pfdj)-for-what they-did-to-us-in-cooperation-with-woyane-in-the-80s-and-we-will-deal-with-woyanes-after-we-weed out-pfdj”? Is that what you are implying?lol

          • tes

            Dear Peace!

            Is PFDJ for you is Eritrea?

            tes

          • Hope

            Prof tes,
            Address the issue Peace raised,i.e.,consider the fate of Libya,Iraq,Syria and Yemen and interpolate their fate to Eritrea’s case,God forbid, if things go wrong and the way our enemies want us to go through!
            Let us be serious as we are debating on serious national Issues.

          • Semere Andom

            dear hope
            question for you. So are u saying that the people of Libya are worse off now, or putting it differently were they better off when the friend of IA was there?
            It is not lost to many that Libya, Iraq are not not counties with “united” governments that was in control of everything, but the suffering, like money has changed hands now. It was the long, sustained dictatorship that pitted people against each other that resulted in this elongated suffering. The theorem is, the longer dictator are in control the messier the end result. lots of examples can be mentioned.
            Stupidity y must like sin be punished and the people in Middle east and Africa are being punished by the stupidity they showed and they have not learned from it. The stupidity of dancing to the tunes of the dictators, the stupidity of narrow ethnic and religious alliances, the stupidity of believing the dictators instead of your own scriptures in the case of the middle east and the stupidity of trusting the alliance of killers and trashing the Cassandras of Seyoum Harestai and Ahmed Nasser in our case. So my cousin Hope, ultimately stupidity ought to be punished and unfortunately the sacrificial ship are the people who celebrated the stupidity the smart ones will escape unharmed, their kids will so spoiled that they will not understand the difference between leaving Eritrea by plane vs hazarding the dangerous trek

          • hope

            Dear Sem,
            You should be living in Venus or Mars then!
            Here is the tip of the iceberg:
            Libya and Libyans under Colonel Mu’amer Ghedafi:
            -Peaceful life
            -95-98% Free Health Care coverage
            -100% free education
            -all the Youth members were entitled for more than $50K for College Education.
            For Africa and Africans;
            -were entitled for an interest free loan up to $2 Billion per Country
            -Created African Bank with $50 Billion
            -Paid off the $500 million/per yr for the African Satellite, previously invested by France,hence,the motivation behind the French Bombing of Libya!
            Current Libya and Libyans:
            -Loss of Sovereignty-as plotted by the MOSSAD , the CIA and M16
            -Perpetual Civil War
            -A Route for deadly and Illegal Human Trafficking
            -loss of the above benefits for the Libyans and the Africans
            By default, per your agenda and your likes, you wish Eritrea and Eritreans to be like Libya and Libyans!
            What guarantee do you have that the sanctioned Eritrea will have that fate?

          • selam

            Dear semere
            I do not want to go far but the people of libia were far better under their dictator than under evil groups. Change has to guarentee a better future unless it is not change. By saying so do not take me wrong, i am not saying the dictator was good but he was a better choice if he come back and ask the people of libya. I do not wish and want to see eritrea to be like current libya. That is why i oppose your way of bringing change to eritrea. I hate messy things.

          • Semere Andom

            Selam enda haderki shukor tokoni, qetsliyo:-)
            I do not wish messy change in Eritrea too, but fact is it is the legacy of dictators to be messy.
            Suffering, like energy almost never gets destroyed, it changes hangs, so is power too.

            Democracy, justice is part science, part art, yes there are ways and proven theories to make the change be LESS messy even with dictators, BUT stupidity must be mercilessly punished. There is no way around it. Nothing is by accident, even American did not just become lucky, they luck was only they emerged not far from the renaissance events and their founding fathers were deeply steeped in the enlightenment and they navigated them to the right direction and they built on it.
            Also Eritrea emerged at the right time as it did not have invent the wheel, our leaders were steeped in the history of the successful nation, it boils down to their lack of will and our stupidity prone nature. Sorry!
            The waste of time of the constitution of 1997 was supposed to take a few months by cutting and pasting and customizing it and then taking the time to ratify it with deep debates. It buying time and the people involved either did not get it or they played along. The reason I mention it is to tell you that we emerged at the right time, after humanity has refined the art and science of governing and underscore that the reluctance of the leaders and the stupidity conspired in a perfect bond to get us her.

        • Hope

          Good points Ustaz Aman:

          But for practical purposes though,let us be fair and realistic!
          -All things considered:
          Which one of them would be more practical and realizable?
          – can you expand this argument in Article in a neutral and honest way and address each option and its pros and cons,specially considering the urgent of matter,I.e, Immediate Change!
          Since u attempted to clarify the term @ Weed out”,please be so kind to do he same on the term or phrase ” Dismantle the System”
          -in te case of dismantling the system, please clarify as to how to do it!
          In my opinion,cinsidering all factors and realistically and relatively speaking,I opt for @ Eeforming@ the System!
          If you ask me how,here are the simple but uneasy ways:
          -Rally and mobilize the majority by exposing all the gross facts and events we have at hand coz all the Truth is on our side to justify our cause and to convince,not only yhe majority, but the System to be reformed
          -Rally for factually convincing the appropriate the appropriate International Community to recognize us a Legitimae and the Sole Reformers and Leaders of our own country as Prof SAAY said it in his excellent and convincing testimony by saying :”Disengage IA but engage the Right People”!
          If we fail as we have done so far to achieve the above basic facts,then let alone to weed out the system, you will never be able to achieve any thing let alone to bring change in Eritrea!
          First thing FIRST,brother!
          Let us not live in illusion and delusion but walk the talk!
          Did u hear that recently almost the whole Senafe Town people are running to the tigray camps after their homes were demolished?
          Mind you, this is a town coming from the Ashes and is being turned up side down to the ashes just in the name of City Planning!

        • Hope

          Edited:
          Dear Moderator, please delete the previous comment.Thanks. With apology!

          Good points Ustaz Aman:

          But for practical purposes though,let us be fair and realistic!

          -All things considered:
          a)Which one of them would be more practical and realizable?

          b) Can you expand this argument in an Article Format in a “neutral and hones” way and address each option and its pros and cons,specially considering the urgency of the matter,I.e,need of an Immediate Change!

          -Since u attempted to clarify the term ” Weed out”,please be so kind to do he same on the term or phrase ” Dismantle the System”!
          -in the case of dismantling the system, please clarify as to how to do it!
          In my opinion,considering all factors and realistically and relatively speaking,I opt for “Reforming” the System!
          If you ask me how,here are the simple but uneasy ways:
          a) mobilize the majority by exposing all the gross facts and events we have at hand coz all the Truth is on our side to justify our cause and to convince,not only yhe majority, but the System to be reformed
          -Rally for factually convincing the appropriate International Community to recognize us as
          a legitimate Reformers and Leaders of our own country as Prof SAAY said it in his excellent and convincing testimony by saying :”Disengage IA but engage the Right People”!

          If we fail as we have done so far to achieve the above basic facts,then let alone to weed out the system, you will never be able to achieve any thing let alone to bring change in Eritrea!
          First thing FIRST,brother!
          Let us not live in illusion and delusion but walk the talk!
          Did you realize how the System you are trying to weed out is working very hard to excel, not just to survive, diplomatically, politically and economically?
          And what have we done to weed it out?

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Tzegereda,
      Building an opposition is tedious, but in times of chaos, it is a snap of the finger. How long do you think it took to create AlShabab? How long did it take to create all the opposition groups in the Middle East? Not much time, but conducive environment. If we discount any group, we do it at our own peril. Today’s powerful could be tomorrow’s weakest group. Today’s weak might become tomorrow’s powerful depending on the availability of resources and political conditions. When we talk about the opposition groups, we should factor in the potential, not just the trivial information that is publicly available. Some do prefer to lay low for the opportune time. And if anyone thinks the opposition doesn’t have people that shrewd, that patient, to endure the belittling, the insults and the unfair defamation, they are wrong. The patient do not work on the timetable of the restless. My one year could be someone’s one day. Our perception of how long is too long is different. Some people might see a quick fix, others might prefer a long haul and fundamental fix. Kab mehros aamero was not said in vain. We all need a little wisdom and a big humility.

      • Ted

        Dear SJ, when it comes to “opposition” you have thicker skin than a hipo. If i may plagiarize your phrase. “Patience don’t work on the time table of suffering”

        • Saleh Johar

          Haha Ted,
          Nice one. But remember, you cannot squeeze 24 hours into 24 minutes. It will take the sun 24 hours to appear on the same spot. You can’t hasten that whatever you do, whatever you wish. But I agree if you say instead of walking for 24 hours, lets take the bus. You have to discern what situation warrants what remedy.

      • haileTG

        Hi SGJ,

        Failure isn’t instinctive nor it is intuitive to the desires of the heart. Only a heart that is subservient to the “corporate like” mind is made to fake a rush of joy where there is nothing but the opposite. Equally crucial however, the same subservient heart also drags its feet, counter intuitively to its natural conviction, as per the scheduling dictate of yet another “corporate like” mind, albeit its natural state would have had it race faster than presto given the prevailing circumstances. C’mon bro let’s free the heart:-)

      • Tzigereda

        Dear Saleh Gadi,

        I think that the general opinion of many eritreans ( mihurun, beAl Aemuron) about our Opposition organizations ranges from ” they haven’t achieved much yet ” -” they are good for nothing”. No question that the genuity of such critics differs on who is saying what and labbeling who (PFDJ cohorts or opponents of the eritrean regime). I see the discussions in Awate forum as the best opportunity for re-assesment”, which can be equated with a “free thought university”. Hence I dont see much of belittling sentiments but understandable highs and lows that manifest in frustrations and anger, and ( less) in “premature rejoicing “. Is the frustration and anger ( at least partially) related to our excessive expectations from the political opposition organizations who strictly operate in the Diaspora due to the oppressive schemes of the regime? Is it realistic to expect more? Is it genuine that we ” turf” all duities and obligations ( ” fighters”, prisoner breakers, refugee helpers from Shegereb to Italy, diplomacy, human rights, prevent Exodus and halt human smugglers, media…) solely to the political organizations? Do they have the capacity for the anticipated goals? Do they use their potential and resources ” properly”? Recently Yemane G. was invited by a Forum -Brunno Kreisky forum- in Vienna to present a speech about “Eritrea’s political situation and its policy in the horn of Africa”- the announcement had it, an alleged change of political course. Nobody from the political oppos org was there to challege him. The only Eritrean ( from the oppos) who found himself left on his own and desperately attempted to defy Yemane’s demagogue failed miserably.
        Staying stuck in frustration is not part of the solution, so I would like that we “specify” the role of the political organizations, that of the opposing communities & individuals. How to foster and strenghen the opposition so as to be competitive to the regime and have the necessary influence for change. I think Eritreans dont lack on skilled, brainy & passionate people, and we can/should manage that they become active members of the opposition. To make this succesfull we need encouraging honest assesments about what WE can do better.
        Thanks

  • Mizaan1

    George, let me clarify one thing first. “In the eyes of the world” means in their opinion or determination, ab kidmi aynom malet aykonen. Ok now, please read as much as you can from this link and tell me if I made it up. It is the UN Security Council findings and decisions.

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2009/sc9833.doc.htm