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Chronology of Eritrean Struggle Era Organizations: 1961-2007

This chart was first published on March 4, 2007: To place the current split-merger-split phenomenon in its historical context, we began researching the preparation of this chart in 2003.  It is an ongoing project which we hope someday will appear in a book format so that a narrative can explain each box, each arrow and each line.  In the meanwhile, take this a draft–a beginner’s guide to understanding the different organizations which have been a part of the Eritrean political landscape from 1961 t0 2007.  We welcome any input, corrections or updates.

Over the last seven years, we have been adding and updating the contents that go with this chart. It is still work in progress which we hope someday will be published. Chronicle

 

 

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • Nitricc

    Haile.
    If EPLF and PFDJ can save so much money with all they have been through, then I say keep them. It is almost impossible to save that much money by just laundering money. If you look at the summery there are 32 clients are associated with Eritrea and 28% have Eritrean passport or Eritrean nationality. Does that mean the 72% are none Eritreans? That is my main beef and major doubt.

    “”””Summary
    Amounts associated with clients connected to Eritrea
    Eritrea is ranked #53 among the countries with the largest dollar amounts in the leaked Swiss files. See full ranking >>
    The maximum amount of money associated with a client connected to Eritrea was $695.2M.
    How much is this for Eritrea?
    Eritrea’s GDP per capita was $253 in 2007. (Source: World Bank)
    Accounts
    Account openings and accumulated active accounts from 1988
    24 client accounts opened between 1981 and 2006 and linked to 39 bank accounts.
    Clients
    Distribution of account types
    32 clients are associated with Eritrea. 28% have a Eritrean passport or nationality.

    Account openings and accumulated active accounts from 1988
    24 client accounts opened between 1981 and 2006 and linked to 39 bank accounts.
    Clients
    Distribution of account types
    32 clients are associated with Eritrea. 28% have a Eritrean passport or nationality.

    Distribution of account types
    32 clients are associated with Eritrea. 28% have a Eritrean passport or nationality.””””

    • Haile WM

      There are a lot of things that you might not know about EPLF and it’s financing activities starting from the 70’s with relif agencies money collecting from the diaspora and in the eighties many finacial activities that insiders know about. all the activities were conducted in the name of individuals,
      Nitricc i was hoping you do your homework as a student not just improvise with hipotethical chronology of which you have no idea. All the money was handled by the insiders of the secret party and many things were far from clear and above all many top leaders didn’t know where the money was coming from especially from the mid eighties onwards.
      after independence the EPLF money became PFDJ money with any accounting and more importantly the financial hand (09) became an official corporation and it was handling all the lecit and illicit tradings on behalf of PFDJ. i hope you have a glimpse so that you can search for more.
      let me ask you something that might shade light in your head: did you know GOE owes millions to PFDJ ? in other wards PFDJ lent millions to GOE. did you know that ?? and that was told by GOE official who incidentally are also PFDJ officials and it was announced during woyane invasion. So do you still believe PFDJ doesn’t have money ?? try to get an answer to that.

      about the 28% nationality and passport the bankers knew every activity and the identity of every account holder, people like Wedi Vaccaro had italian passport for example (not that this accounts were wedi vaccaros… just giving you a hint of how things are 🙂 )

  • selma

    so do not post things you do not have facts. Say what you know or you can prove . Here We are not familiar with lies at least we do not entertain lies.

  • selam

    I do not understand why so many people(Eritreans in Diaspora) are consumed by any thing that comes from western media. Every body knows western banks support dictators and this is not some thing we debate or contest for prove. What surprise me is that we Eritreans still entertain by Western media. They do not serve us and they have zero interest or what so ever toward the well being of the Eritrean people. We all know they serve their own share holders as any thing a private business do. We need to move on from their playing cards and have our own. We need to focus on the things that creates a better playing field for the people who are seeking justice to the Eritrean people. We need to have our own way of delivering news to our people as it happens and on the way mobilize our people to stand and get ride of HGDEF.
    By saying that we do not need to go to some weyane sympathizers as well as to some people who are planted in a hate.

  • selm

    Because some thing so serious accusation is boiling out from London and from Rome about such business which is connected to some opposition groups and some crony individuals , this story is on the making and i wish to wait or hear from some one like saleh and other people who are not interested in to day to day propaganda that is it.

    • Guest

      How about asking HGDEF and its supporters to come out and tell us what they have to say about this. I read in tesfanews a tweeter exchange between the President Afeworki’s advisor Yemane Chalrie and Martin Plaut about the money in the Swiss Bank. Won’t you agree with me that the ball is in HGDEF’s court to tell us explicitly if the money belongs to HGDEF or not? Why are you expecting Awate to explain something that they know little about. Unless you are going to tell me that the Swiss Bank is going to grant them unfettered access to the Eritreans’ Bank Accounts, how are they going to be able to shed more light on the issue. I think you should direct your inquiry to “Wedi-Afom Biri’s” office in Asmara. That is where I think the REAL source of information is regarding the Swiss accounts.

  • Abinet

    Good for you . You didn’t miss much.

  • Nero

    In case you have not yet ran out of doubts about the current revelations, Eritrea is no 1 in Africa with the most money per client in Swiss HSBC Leaks. It tops the list in Africa even beyond Seychelles – a known African tax haven. Even much more money than Aliko Dangote richest man in Africa – who is busy investing his money all over Africa has not hoarded this much money.

    We have heard of Haile Selassie’s Billions but we never got such evidence.
    Who owns this money?
    What is the real value of 695mln Usd for Eritrea? Was it the fruit of illegal trade or something more sinister? How many schools could it have built? How many jobs would it have created?

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Thank you Nero for the graphic description of the countries which deposited at HSBC. – a bank for hiding money for all illegal transactions and Eritrea topping the list.

      • Nero

        Dear Amanuel,
        You are welcome. It is interesting to know more details about the people behind the money in all these countries. Time will reveal everything, I hope.
        N

    • Elenta

      Well the report also has this interesting information:

      “Not all the people on the database have been exposed, but the information so far reveals a particularly interesting trend. In 11 of the 12 African countries that ranked highest (in terms of client money) on the list, less than 35% of the clients actually held a passport or the nationality of the corresponding country.”

      “South Africa was the only country in Africa where over 50% of the clients associated with the country had a South African passport or nationality”

      We shall wait and see how the Eritrean case will turn out!

  • Nero

    1.3bln usd is Eritrea’s GDP of 2007. source -Google, WB …
    Endowment Fund For the Rehabilitation of Tigray. – Says Fund. acts like a fund. is fund.
    09 is not a state or party company. it is a party business. am not sure it is a company. You need to be registered with a state, have directors, be accountable to them to be called an organisation, a trust, a fund …. 09 is an underground party business ran by party law.
    the majority of the accounts were opened after independence. Although there are 39 accounts, but most of the money 695mln $ is tied to one client in one way or another.

    • selam

      in one way or another is not the same to one . Here it is just money with account name and we should wait at least for the truth to come. Can’t you people wait. This things does not concern you . it is just for eritreans and at this time we do not need your help to blame our enemy , because we always based our fight on rationale

      • Nero

        I am all for reasoned opposition. When you were trying to draw parallel’s with Ethiopia and EFFORT, I thought I should stop you from muddying the waters of reason ;-).

  • Haile WM

    Selam selam
    what is the difference between 09 and HGDEF ? do you see any difference ? do you see any difference between Segen construction and ENAMCO ? or between HGDEF and Government of Eritrea for that matter? it’s all the same people, the same actors presenting themselves in different capacities.

    let me give you a hint… the president of Eritrea (head of the government) is Iseyas Afwerki, the chairman of HGDEF (head of HGDEF) is iseyas Afwerki, so if Iseyas stashes money as head of HGDEF (Owner of 09) would you say he is innocent as Eritrean president ?? 🙂

    AND YES HGDEF IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS AND OTHER MONEY around the world stay tune the names will get to us soon.

    • selam

      Hi Haile WM
      I am not just from mekele i live in Eritrea and basically Asmara .I know all about 09 more than you can ever think and i need no one to tell me. The bigger picture is that you failed to support your claim by prove. To make it clear for you i am also suspicious about such money may be from HGDEF. But i am not in a position to say right out at this time. I am not some one who blame my enemies based on hearsay and rumors. ,

      • Haile WM

        oh selam the biger question is wether a big eritrean Ali BABA has evaded taxes and is hiding that money from the honest ertrean tax payers in the diaspora… the evidence is right in front of you, it might even smash your face on how hard it can hit you by its weight 🙂
        If i were you i would ask a random question to a random PFDJ official about the 700 million hi might explain you why electricity is running short in asmara 🙂 700 milion rumors might not be enough but 700 million dollars are facts not rumors.
        oh by the way would you mind explainig how come you are over internet all the day from asmara ?? did they gave asmara the same status as tesseney i.e. 24 hours service ? hmmm god to know you are IN ASMARA 😉

        PS you might be from mekele and be at the same time in asmara ask your demhit compadres there in asmara for confirmation about it.

        • Semere Andom

          Haile WM:
          Your back and forth with future prions warden and hit man for PFDJ (Nitricc) intersting. He is acting as if he is a true fiscal conservative when he stuttered that if PFDj saves so much money let us keep them. He does not ask who decides the saving of the nation? But these kind of people, the PFDJ supporters find solace in the Swiss Leaks because it includes USA and Canada, their brains cannot be more dead than this. USA and Canada connections are private citizens who are evading taxes and that is exactly why we have laws, tax and other laws. Even if Obama was found in the list, Americans know how much he makes and how much paid taxes and so on.
          I hope the names are revealed and that is why it is sacred to support Wiki Leaks instead of increasing the size IA’s Swiss bank account, idiots do not have shame and that is not self-confidence it is self loathing.
          What would the aspiring hit man, Nitricc say when the names are revealed and it includes IA siblings and kids? I bet that he would say, if IA can save so much money for the future of their kids let us keep them because parents are supposed to save for the future of their kids, we do it here in the USA for their education, he would say that dumbly and fearlessly and heartlessly

          • Haile WM

            dear Semere,

            I know i am wasting my time with Nitricc, but some times i just can’t resist to his foolish utterance full of ignorance and a sense of entitlement that he is the most eritrean man on earth even more than those who gave their youth to eritrea.

            typically of this people saying “If EPLF and PFDJ can save so much money with all they have been through, then I say keep them” is more or less like “if PFDJ people can kill and jail so much people,without us stopping them, then i say let them do it” type of reasoning,
            they don’t think eritrea is the people and not the land. PFDJ for them is above anything even above the people. sadly enough the ideals of our struggle is so misunderstood by the YPFDJ diaspora generation. it’s a shame.

          • Nitricc

            Ato Haile, I could have said a few things to you but I have tremendous respect and appreciation for your kind. You seem to stack in the past “ I told you believe me” attitude, you better move forward those days are gone and over. Since I am wasting your time, let me ask you this how am I “to feel the sense of entailment”? How? Do you even understand the meaning of the word?
            Please all I ask you is to back up your accusation with evidence rather than PFDJ this PFDJ that, it is boring waste of time. You sound you have some grudge against the Eritrean government. Anyway go waste your time with Semere; he will trust and believe everything you tell him. as of me i will never accept hearsay.

          • Haile WM

            Nitricc
            when somebody says something like

            “Haile MW, my responsibility in life is to deal with Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the greatest danger to the survival of Eritrea. some body got to deal with Ethiopia and I will. that is my motivation and keeps me going. they are not going to leave Eritrea alone”

            that is a huge sense of entitlement on your behalf and, in my opinion, utter disrespect towards those who really have done something to defend eritrea in the present and past.

            or when you say something like

            “I am trying to help you see and think instead of the lazy way out.
            Think for yourself. Don’t just throw accusation without any circumstantial evidence. ”

            you have a huge sense of entitlement in “trying” to help me to think for my self 🙂

            or maybe it is because i don’t even know the meaning of the word entitlement :-))

            in any case i will not waste your time in the future nor i don’t want to lose your “respect”

            thank you sir.

        • senay

          oww i could understand that you are getting angry and crying fool , in which i do not care.
          To your surprise here, yes we have electricity but it is not every where to tell you the truth.

          Second what the hell is this about demhit thing ? They are fighting against weyane in which i do not care even if they all get killed or they destroy weyane , that is not my business.But if you are angry about demhit making noise and weyane is feeling some thing bad , i have no idea what you people try to do next ,because they are almost 50,000 soldiers by now and increasing from day to day.

          what we are talking is about the money. Until i see any prove i am not going to accept and that is it .
          You failed to prove what you say

          • Haile WM

            oh now you are senay ? is it dr jekyll and mr hyde type of thing ? in the morning you are senay and selam in the evenings ? 😀

            I know it’s hard for you to understand what is the relation of DEMHIT to PFDJ especcially when eritrea is starving and PFDJ stashing money in swiss banks and the demhit getting fat by the day while the warsay generation is literally kept empty belly.

            on the money proof it’s right there, it says an eritrean individual has 700 milon stashed in one account. now ask your self who that millionaire is, a multimillionaire of which we have no clue 🙂

        • selam

          I have no idea what you want to say about.
          stop running

  • Haile WM

    it’s laughable to see some of the commentators here trying to lift the responsibility of the pfdj system in their methodologies in stashing money in banks around the world. Individuals connected to Eritrea ? what does it mean ? do we have Eritreans capable of producing more than half of a bilion dollars and hide it in a Swiss bank? Sure we don’t have any individual Eritrean capable of that. It’s obviously PFDJ’s money and that goes back to the struggle time when PFDJ was EPLF and that is crystal clear.
    what is not clear is how this money is handled since it’s peoples money and it belongs to the Eritrean people, we should know how is this money going back to the rightful owners of this money.
    The people of Eritrea gave that money to the mafia group thinking it would be used to get Eritrea free and then after ’91 to rebuild the nation trough “wefeya” campaigns, 2% taxes, “addey silimatey” charade, nakfa corporation bonds, housing projects for the diaspora(of which nobody ever saw a single house and yet someone has being fooled one more time by the late housing campaign)… and each and every time the money was systematically hidden a nobody saw a dime of it.
    Now we know for certain what has being going on with that money.
    however there is another chapter now unfolding, the bisha and other mining operations income. PFDJ as a party owns the 30%of the mine the other 10% is owned by the GOE (ironical that GOE and PFDJ are the same people) and, as usual, nobody knows the where about’s . It’s rumored that PFDJ has money all over Russian and Chinese banks, god only knows how much money they stashed over there.

    • Semere Andom

      Hail WM:
      Soon we may know the names and even then PFDJ, the brainless, the heartless and the dumb will say it is the work of CIA. They will tell you that even the USA and Canada are associated with this leak, so there is not democracy in the west. The PFDJ only win and function in chaos and stupidity. Although this is not shocking, when the names are revealed you will see the names of IA siblings and Hagos Kisha’s family in it. The Eritrean people are once again given the opportunity to stop trusting people but rely on law and evidence. They fight with our own money, gereb bhakhla

    • Nitricc

      What is laughable your choice of the easy way out. Instead of thinking for yourself, you are just ingesting what the media fed you. The list is from 1981 to 2006.
      If you believe EPLF was depositing from Naqfa then the laugh on you.
      From 1991 to 1997 is relatively Eritrea at peace then between those years if you tell me the Eritrean government able to deposit 700 million dollars then the laugh on you.
      From 1998 to 2000 Eritrea was under brutal attack by the Weyane and fighting for her survival. Covering cost war, NOT EASY
      Logistics; shopping for weapons and everything the cost that comes with war is enormous. If you tell me at that time the government able to deposit 700 million dollars, in the middle of war then the laugh on you.
      From 2001 to 2006; at this time Eritrea was digging out from brutal war and going through political strife. Starting with G 13; G-15 and the closure of the free press and the Eritrean government was fighting for its survival and if you believe at that time the government able to deposit 700 million dollars then the laugh is on you.
      Between 2007 to 2015 there is no data and we don’t know. In fact this around could have made sense and might sounded suspicious because of the gold. Even then the government imported massive heavy equipment and machineries and that costs money and there is no way the government would able to stash 700 million.
      So my question to you is where and which time frame do you see the government of Eritrea can deposit 700 million dollars in the bank of Swiss?
      I am trying to help you see and think instead of the lazy way out.
      Think for yourself. Don’t just throw accusation without any circumstantial evidence.
      I am not defending the government of Eritrea; I am defending commonsense.

      Could it be this money belong to the father of Eritrea; Osoman Salih Sabe? He financed and he had the means to support the entrier gedli.

      • Semere Andom

        When small mind talks about dams and are obsessed with Debebit, a place on the planet earth and with pride gloat over their stupidity, getting more stupid with every sunshine that tells you that PFDJ had become fruitful and multiplied. The Nephelems were fearless and huge but their were defeated when their hero Galliot was defeated and the cyber-borgs were also defeated. Yona, the son of those who made you know that you were human is writing about something else, but that is too heavy for even the state of the art chip

      • Haile WM

        nitricc nitriiiiicc,

        Lazy way out you say ? really ?? where were you when i was lazing out my way from sahel to asmara ? i bet you were fighting in the US kindergartens from CIA agent-kids in liberating your snak uh ?

        since you are born out of eritrea (and that is not your fault) many things you might have missed 🙂 I would advise you to get to read some books about eritrea and it’s struggle before you open your mouth and utter something of a subject you have no idea… just to say… try to have some contextual knowledge, even a theoretical one since you couldn’t have an empirical one on the struggle 🙂

        • Nitricc

          Haile, I did not say you are lazy; I said you choose the lazy way out to confront the issue.
          Don’t change the subject. I never said I know but as a student of it; I think I am allowed to express my opinion, right or wrong. Now, I gave you with the time line when this money can be stashed and I asked you to indentify any and not only you failed but you made me to the subject. I wasn’t even disrespecting you; I was just challenging your thoughts that lead you to your false conclusions. If you going to accuse any one over anything; you better back it up with at least circumstantial evidences or theory’s! don’t just dish it and expecting me to buy your story. the reason we are where we are is the past generation forgot to challenge ideas and its leaders and don’t expect this generation to repeat that mistake. Everything will be challenged; don’t take it personally.
          Still you have not answered my questions; I know you can’t.

          • Haile WM

            my reply was eaten twice by discuss.
            Nitricc don’t assume too much if i have chosen the easy way out or not you haven’t the slightest idea. That was the intended message for you.
            There are a lot of things that you might not know about EPLF and it’s financing activities starting from the 70’s with relif agencies money collecting from the diaspora and in the eighties many finacial activities that insiders know about. all the activities were conducted in the name of individuals, some are quite famous like Hagos Kisha and Ermias Papayo, some are not so famous to the outsiders but well known figures for the insiders. The late wedi Vaccaro was one of them. but Nitricc i was hoping you do your homework as a student not just improvise with hipotethical chronology of which you have no idea. All the money was handled by the insiders of the secret party and many things were far from clear and above all many top leaders didn’t know where the money was coming from especially from the mid eighties onwards. after independence the EPLF money became PFDJ money with any accounting and more importantly the financial hand (09) became an official corporation and it was handling all the lecit and illicit tradings on behalf of PFDJ. i hope you have a glimpse so that you can search for more.
            let me ask you something that might shade light in your head: did you know GOE owes millions to PFDJ ? in other wards PFDJ lent millions to GOE. did you know that ?? and that was told by GOE official who incidentally are also PFDJ officials and it was announced during woyane invasion. So do you still believe PFDJ doesn’t have money ?? try to get an answer to that.

    • guest

      Merhaba Haile
      rightly you called them mafia group and correctly you mentioned some of the schemes the mafia group used to milk the country resource, the people specially those on diaspora thru wefeya, 2% income tax, naqfa corporation, bado tish3atte,housing projects, ….etc. you know,i know, everybody knows the old saying, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame onme”. The mafia group fooled its cultists not once, not twice, but again and again and again, YET you and most commentators fell short to blame themselves of feeding the mafia group. I dont know why eritreans just keep blaming others and forget, it was themselves who fed the regime again and again. This lately leak should make us think how foolish we were to be fooled again and gain…shame on us..Same goes with the so called human traffickers when it is the eritreans in diaspora who pre-arranged paid in advance and encouraged their relatives to mount on sudanese lorries from khartoum to tripoli thru sudanese and libyan deserts; driving off roads and in dark without headlight to avoid traffic blocks set but authorities, and finally embark the old fishing boats designed only to sail within a couple miles offshore libyan cities and villages. When their relatives get lost or drown in the sea, ALL blame goes to ” rashaida” and other un-identified ethnic eritreans. I think esayas and ” rashaida guesttraffickers” deserve the acknowledgement how we are easily fooled again and again, and that means shame on us.

      • guest

        “Rashaida traffickers”

        • guest

          I cant agree with you more. U have outlined the steps we ought to take lest help us return to our blessed land in joy and honor. I actually call you a realistic person. It is time to recognise our share of guilt whether in helping esays, the G- 15 when they were his pals, or encouraging our people to take the risky voyage accross the mediterreanean. Lets stop the daily deadly disaster in sudane/ libyan desert by not funding the deadly trip and not funding sha3biyyah regime schemes of housing, school, electricity projects which we already know is to end up into the officers pockets or employees of nipotism at best..
          keep the good work, bro.

          • guest

            Sorry ..that was meant to Haile WM

      • Haile WM

        I am 100% in agreement with you, we have being fooled so many times that the shame is on us. But now we should look forward and plan ahead. Now we have some degree of awareness, the next should be where to next.

        it’s never an easy task because our people seem have lost the compass in the direction it should get in restoring our dignity our heritage and our identity.

        mybe i am an optimistic one but for me is quite simple. Our struggle should have simple goals one that is clearly understandable by all the people of eritrea. the political jargon the sophisitcations of some part of the opposition, the including of third parties etcc… are doing more harm to people who at this specific time has nearly no access to independent information.

        something simple as:
        the what = REMOVE THE DICTATOR

        the how – INDEPENDENCE OF THE OPPOSITION
        – UNITY IN DOING THE JOB
        – ELIMINATION OF SECTARIAN POLICIES

        – UNIFYING THE PEOPLE FOR THE COMMON GOAL

        call me simplistic but the most successful goals are the most simple to understand and execute

  • Nitricc

    Amazing story. The other day I was questioning why PIA spends his time at the dam construction site, I did not know what to make it of. Watching this video; I know why. When they told him the job can not be done, he told them yes we can; and he took a charge and it was done. I know many of you laugh at the idea of Eritrean self reliance; watch it and laugh not any more. They did it by their internal capacity. No by Chinese like the country of Abinet’s.

    http://eastafro.com/Post/2015/02/11/video-new-massawa-hotels-buildings-master-plan/

    • Abinet

      Abayin yalaye minch yamesegnal. ( literally )
      Eritrea is run like a big edir whereas 09 is functioning like a big equb where the winner is always 09.

  • selam

    Eritrea and ethiopia are not one and they have never been one , but of course you can say and post what ever you say but please tell to your father or mother or some one like from weyane. This is eritrean website so please take your old dream to tigrai line com

    • Abimet

      Etyopiyawi lemehon min yansishal / yansihal ?

    • Peace!

      Selam,

      I can’t believe some people are still conciously obsessed with Eritrea despite Ethiopia is doing well, and has moved on for good. Or, perhaps the claim that Ethiopia no longer needs Eritrea is plain spurious.

      Peace!

  • Nero

    Keep the discussion focused on Eritrea please. What EFFORT owns in Ethiopia is public knowledge and it is not that much of a big deal as you make it. It does not own everything in Ethiopia, and it is not even in the top 3 now.

    You tell me – How can half of Eritera’s annual GDP in 2007 ($1.5 Bln ) be in the hand of one Eritrean?

    Warning!!!! Unacceptable Answers – example.

    Donno, but lets talk about
    Another problem hereabout
    South of the border,
    it gets even messier!

    Donno, It must be the CIA,
    Trying to discredit PIA.
    Or…… Illegal trader hoarding money away,

    Huh, Like they make a million a day?

    Donno, it must be the Mossad,
    Trying to get us mad,
    or A hacker that hacked the bank

    what he musta filled the blank?

    Ooops sorry… for the rap.
    but at least it is not crap.
    Just wanted to keep it real
    I hope you get my feel!

    N

    • selam

      i just want to use EFFORT corrupt way of doing business looks like 09 business model and that is it. You may disagree but you can not hide EFFORT hidden money , by the way eritrean economy was not 1,5 b $ in 2007. please go with your borrowed money or aid money and show as your pure democratic governance and election results like 96% lol

      • Abinet

        Ende edir bemewacho yemitedader ager yizesh minew chuhet beza?

        • Nitricc

          100% better than begging.
          At least we sustained by each other; how about you? you beg to sustain; you give your fertile land to foreigners to do the farming while you have 60% of your population unemployed. You give your construction work to China again while your 60% of your population unemployed. Can you imagine worst than what your country is doing? Have a shame.

          • Nero

            One day Percent, the God of all % you throw at us will come with a roar of thunder and lightening and say “Why do you call my name in vain?”
            Stop just throwing fake numbers at us. 60%?????

      • Nero

        There is a big difference between EFFORT and 09. EFFORT is in the formal economy, 09 is more like an underground organisation – more ‘cosa nostra’ -‘mafioso’. EFFORT is not owned by a network of individuals but it is a fund with a legal personality; 09 is a ghost like network, it is even less than that of an ‘edir’, its money moved by individuals and not organisations?

        No one is saying money is not stolen from EFFORT. People steal from lots of business every where – that will happen – its human nature.

        I stand corrected re Eritrea’s gdp. In 2007 it was actually 1.3 bln$ so the money in quesiton was more like 60% of Eritrean economy. Hope that was what you were correcting me for.

        The topic is still this mysterious amount of money in the hand of a single individual.

  • Yoty Topy

    There is no time for fact checking. We should just run with it and mount an offensive.

  • Kokhob Selam

    ኣበይ ኣለዎ ኣሕዋትና ? ሃይለ ዘ ግሬት -ሳልሕ ኣንበሳ -ፓፒሎን ፈላስፋ- ልጅ እዮብ -ራህዋ ዋዕሮ – ወዘተ -ኣንታ ወረ ኤክዛይተር:- መብራህቱ ናፊቐ :: “ሓውካ ኣበይ ኣሎ ?”እዩ ኮ ዘመኑ : ኣነስ ወላ ነትርኽ (Nitricc ) ድሃይ እንተዘጥፍእ ምስ ናፍቅኩዎ ነይረ : እሞ ሃየ ድሃዮም ::

    • Hayat Adem

      fetawi sebka endikha e qetsil ember: serray, ermias, rodab, yodit…fevens neyrando…were eti hade semerekhe nabey abele?

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Hi Selam;

    You said: “But there are few traders who accumulated money through illegal means by cooperating with western chemical waste damping companies.” Could you elaborate on this information, provide evidence of its source, and eventually where in Eritrea such illegal hazardous waste dumping took place? It is indeed a matter of greater and additional concern.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Hi Gonbel;
    The PFDJ regime is a regime without the slightest form of transparency, accountability and insight into its financial and economic dealings. If the experience from other African despots is to guide our conclusions, then this disclosure most probably has to do with the PFDJ regime, particularly dictator Isayas. Just wait patiently, time will show the truth, Some names have been revealed from other countries, and we hope those Eritrean individuals implicated in this leakage would soon be made public.

  • destaa

    I see discussions regarding Haile Selasie deposits and this might help awtistas to get some info
    http://addisfortune.com/Vol_12_No_595_Archive/ecconomic_commentary.htm

  • T. Kifle

    Weiche gud,

    Emb’r Weiche gud. You see, I don’t expect Ethiopia would get back this money and I have no interest whatsoever, to fabricate new facts nor have ample reason to doubt the late Abdulmajid for his informed exposition of the subject we discussing on here. This amount of money at market price of the era is by no means small (I heard that ETB traded in par with USD at the the time) amount. What kind of Economy? whatever economy there was then it belonged to the king and he had the character and the opportunity to amass wealth.

    • weiche gud

      This is an argument that will not get us anywhere. I would ask only if the proof is valid, why it has not been public and if it has been made public, would you kindly provide the reference?

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all
    As much as we want justice, we need to base our fight on just and sound rationale. My mission in life will be to do the right thing: fact based exchange of views, far from emotions and opportunist fleeting bouts.
    ” The maximum amount of money associated with a client connected to Eritrea was $695.2 M.”

    Nothing more to it. That client could be an interest from Eritrea, or an interest or a person related to Eritrea through passport, birth…etc. There is nothing mentioned here that states PFDJ or an Eritrean official or any sort of public funds being embezzled, nothing. That interest could be residing in Nigeria, Angola, Addis Ababa, the Gulf…the west. It doesn’t even mention the nature of the account.

    Countries have different tax laws; they want to tax incomes of subjects of its jurisdiction. Some citizens want to evade that tax and stash their money abroad. The favorite haven has so far been Swiss banks. HSBC has been the target of US investigation and was fined 1.9bn, currently it doesn’t do business with US resident businesses.

    So all that money is an income source that governments would love to know its whereabouts. The US has ben prosecuting tax evaders aggressively.

    For instance, here the US is ranked number 4 with 2 billion, do you really think that’s the amount of money the US government is looking for? Of course not. Probably hundreds of billions, but that’s what has been disclosed in this fragment of this leaked info (see the link below to see the scope of this type of tax evasion and how much it’s costing countries.

    Now, let’s ask, could we see the Republican or the Democratic party has stashed that money away? Of course not. It’s a private money of citizens. We say it’s illegal because it’s not declared to be taxed.

    In the case of Eritrea, any rational person would think that way. It could be an embezzled money or a private account of a person connected to Eritrea in one of many ways.

    Could not it be money that the Eritrean government has no control over (from citizens residing in the diaspora)? How could you say there is no Eritrean who could have that much money? How about if it’s money that the government trusts to citizens (don’t you guys blame the Eritrean government of retailing its business through trusted personalities? Didn’t we read in this website Eritreans from the gulf states who had been trusted with government money defecting with millions?

    Comparing with a 10M Ethiopian? This is just one bank, and information leaked by a whistle blower in 2010, what is made public here is a portion of that leaked information. It doesn’t mean Ethiopia is safe from this illegal practice (see #2 link).

    1.http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes

    2.http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/08/us-government-biggest-leak-banking-history-questions-irs-taxes
    The point
    We, as citizens, have more than enough reasons to condemn and oppose the government. But not through misinforming. For instance, on #2, you see illicit capital outflow which faced Ethiopia as reported in 2009. It hurts the economy of Ethiopia. Behind any widespread illicit economic activity, there is political corruption. So no country is immune to these types of activities.
    It’s fair to look at PFDJ suspiciously since it denies citizens the right to oversee the custody and allocation of their resources through democratically delegated representatives and established institutions. However, fact is fact. And the fact we have here doesn’t tell us PFDJ has stashed away that amount of money.
    Folks you have more prominent and pressing reasons than this to fight for what’s right.

    • Hayat Adem

      If your life mission is to do the right thing, then do the right thing.

      1) The figure came in. It is just one bank, you said. Okay, but in that one bank and in that what has been leaked, what we saw is what we saw. 699.45..million dollar under Eritrea, out of that 0nly one individual account has 695 million. Nothing is exaggerated here. This is a huge money. Your benefit-of-doubt coolness comes out of what? It is not because there is another data that you know that refutes or counters this one. Is it then out of an established pattern of cleanness of pfdj in the past? Is it because you personally know a lot of Eritrean individual millionaires who frequent to that particular bank? You tell us.

      2) And what is this, it is only one bank, argument? In the next another leak, who told Eritrea will not be there and it is only Ethiopia and others? You should speak to the data at hand or else you should also be worried, if one bank report says this much, may be more is coming about Eritrea.

      3) the speed of tone you came in to say this is really amazing. “It’s fair to look at PFDJ suspiciously since it denies citizens the right to oversee the custody and allocation of their resources” Then what is it that makes you defend on the rationality of unknowns and disregarding the trend and the character, and the data/

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Gual adem
        Expected; my comment is meant for folks who think a bit differently.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Wedi Saleh,
          If the guide post is “the right thing’, if the processing or grinding tool is “the logic”, and if the material is “given”; what can stand between you and me? Nothing.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Gual Adem
            With that in mind, read my original comment critically, and you will know I’m here putting things where they belong. Nothing in there shows I’m protecting any entity. Despite your extremely high intelligence, you appear to be playing with your analysis selectively, in a rather expected pattern.

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday follow SAAY. Ignore this Dedebit grad. She is a moving target and she has no intention to discuses and debate with anyone. Her point is to get as much as votes so, get paid and paint the TPLF thugs the rosiest picture possible. I am the last one to tell anyone not to interact with but what is the point interacting with paid agent rather then wasting your precious time? I think you will be better served to do what SAAY did. Cut it. she is not worthy of your time.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dearest…intelligentest…truth tellerest…(ذكي من الدرجة الالي)
            Ask Semere to translate the Arabic description; I am hoping he will be honest with you; at least we have to see him at this stage using his remaining neurons effectively.
            Anyway, Gual Adem plays by the rules, and as long as people play by the rules, I think we can keep discussing. I don’t expect her to accept everything I say, and the reverse is also true.
            I know, you want me to get into the never-ending fray, b/n you and Gual Adem, hey, Asha dye berakhi! I do suspect though you guys have tough love for each other (a sort of fQri Habesha). Have fun, nitrickay.
            peace and love.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hayat,
        Any state money deposited outside Eritrea is deposited under individuals names. Don’t trust them those who defend PFDJ. It is just a white lie. Their confidence assurance will be dismissed when time opens the secret of deals and interactions of the PFDJ. It is a matter of time to see the disclosure and their secret deals.

        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Show me that it is indeed a “state money deposited out side Eritrea.”See, the issue is not whether there could be an illegally migrated money, the issue is whether there is enough evidence in the one sentence the site used to describe the nature of the money connected to Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmud & Hayat,

            In October 5, 2008, I wrote an article titled “Humiliation: The source of violence” at asmarino.com. In that article I was referring to the “Asian Tribune” account about PICT study at Macquane University, Sidney, Australia. Actually I highlighted how the Eritrean regime use phony names such as “Eriko enterprise” and “General Tambi” in arms shipment transactions for the terrorist Alshebab. I can’t pull it from the wayback archives to link it. In any case my point is: The Eritrean regime have never made any “arms or money transfer” by the name of “Eritrean government.” Surely history will tell us either they use phony names or individual personalities. Case in a point: Wedi Papayo is accused of money laundring by the Issayas regime. Not that I believed on the accusation of the regime, but I am alluding the government use individuals to make transactions in the name of the government tacitly.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma

            Just a reminder, otherwise, I knew you would not come back with a supporting evidence to your statement quoted below. Remember, I am commenting on this leaked information, not on the history of EPLF’s financial activities. If ELF or TPLF were doing business as recognized entities, it’s news to me. Why do you single out EPLF for doing business that way? You are big on criticizing past EPLF business practices which were entrusted to dedicated patriots wherever the EPLF would not be recognized as a legal person/entity. You will be right only if you show us similar liberation movements, not internationally recognized entities, did their business the right way. You’re not going to do that. Because even your favorite TPLF depended on its dedicated patriot base for doing business, I don’t know if ELF had an account in internationally trading financial sector. Did it have one? This is just a reminder.

            To come to the topic at hand, we are not talking about past EPLF practices. I oppose parallel schemes, like PFDJ and state economies; I don’t support any public holdings by a political party/front. You will be correct to shade doubts on the nature of the money disclosed, but you said this statement in your response to Hayat, which triggered my challenge:

            “Any state money deposited outside Eritrea is deposited under individuals names. Don’t trust them those who defend PFDJ. It is just a white lie.”
            Here, your first sentence says that any state money deposited outside the country…which means you are implying the money disclosed is state money. I am saying don’t stretch yourself too thin; the information at hand doesn’t give us any hint suggesting the money is a laundered state fund. It may be so, but we have no evidence of that at this time. If in the future, that becomes evident, I will be with you condemning it. For saying this you told Hayat that I was telling a “white lie.”
            The fact of the matter is I’m not a person who plays “opposition-in-disguise” involved in darting maneuvers. If I like PFDJ, I will say it openly. For now, I am a private citizen; and I am doing what citizens do. Just because I don’t subscribe to your version of opposition, doesn’t mean I defend PFDJ.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmud,

            We are not talking about liberation era. We are talking about a sovereign state of Eritrea. Yes, we are talking since EPLF started to govern the state of Eritrea in the last 23 years. What ever the state deposited money outside Eritrea is under the name of individuals. They don’t function and behave like normal states. You know it and I know it. Trust me, if they made transaction of arms shipment by phony names like “general Tambi” and “Eriko enterprise,” the money transfer and money deposits of the governments are done in the same fashion by individual names. For me it is crystal clear, and for you, I could only say time will teach you. We don’t need back and forth about this issue and this mafia PFDJ. They are who they are, and they will continue all their transactions domestically or internationally secretly with a disguised names to avoid any trailing document that make them accountable.

    • Semere Andom

      Selam Mahmud, No I mean Wedi Saleh;-)

      First nice to see you!

      Second, Ethiopia should not be a measuring stick for the lack of corruption or rampant corruption in Eritrea or Eritrea is “kemb seba, afrika endina.” Although I agree that the issue of money DIA has put away is secondary to the suffering he is inflicting on us, but the issues cannot be truly delineated. Although many think that EPLF’s success was solely on their selfless and smart moves, I believe that huge portion of their success is money, they had money where its security chief did not know where it came from. So money is important and PFDJ, they love their money,

      In the absence of video tapes where IA is depositing his money in the Swiss and other evidence that you guys are so fond of asking for when it serves the purposes, there is circumstantial evidence that can convict a criminal.

      A president who personally signs checks to give to athletes who won, a guy who has signed the death sentences for many Eritreans can definitely stash this amount for a rainy day, there is no doubt about it.

      The example about USA is different, it is by private citizens who want to tax shelters not by its president and no society made up of people is immune to corruption, but there are nations like USA and Canada where the salary of their leaders is exposed, not only that here in Canada if you work for an organization where you receive public money your salary is published publicly if you make more than 100k.

      Whoever control money and security will have the upper hand with a bit of ingenuity. Amde made a good point telling me that PFDJ can be transformed to a criminal entity with the money they have. One difference with Ethioiap is not the lack of crooks, it is society made up people but Ethiopia that feudal backward nation that colonized Eritrea by mere fluke while Eritrea was supposed to colonize it, has something going for it that is illuding Eritrea: it has nascent free press that can expose this corruption and the reporters will not go to prison and if

      They go to prison, they will freed, and if they are not freed, their loved ones can visit them and if they cannot visit them, their where about are known. Your mission to be data driven and fact based is impressive, but I sensed in this comment you defended PFDJ

      We also know small time PFDJ functionaries control millions under their name sand a few have defected with it. This is a culture from long time, the armed struggle era, where Ermias Debessay gave financial reports verbally to IA his wife tells us and even paid for IA dalliances with the Gishas in Japan and Taiwan according to Petros Solomon to Dan Connell, with a price tag of 50K a night. Papayo knew too much and he is in prison for knowing, for being privy to this truth. There was no justification for keeping accounts under individuals even in the armed struggle era, it I just the MO of EPLF/PFDJ.

      So, I guess we need to wait for hard smoking gun evidence with videos of IA and Kish discussing but then some people say how do you prove it is IA, well hopefully by then we can run DNA from image to compare it to IA liver

      • Nitricc

        Hypocrite; when the issue of development is a topic; you have no shame to bombarding us how your beggar Dedebit is progressing and growing. At the same token when corruption and emblazonment is the topic; Ethiopia and the Ethiopians should not be a measuring stick for the lack of corruption. Really? Do you just write whatever comes to your mind? Why are you obsessed with the Ethiopians?

        • Semere Andom

          So when it comes to corruption Ethiopia and Dedebitawian are your role models but for development they are not. Questions, why are you so anguished to be more Eritrean, a country you have no clue about, a people beyond your comperhension, culture and sensibilites that are not ingrained in you, histroy that that does not entice you, language you you are unable to make sense of

          • Nitricc

            Hahahah; Cool, I normally don’t respond to such garbage and dumb question but since you are too slow to get things and to understand it, so, let me throw you a bone. Have you ever asked why a white American goes to Syria and Iraq and joins and fights alone side ISIS? Do you know why? There is something called purpose of life. Something you have no idea about. I am telling this because there is no way you can figure it out on your own. You are too slow and shallow. Again, I don’t expect you to get it but Life is a one time deal and if you played it right one deal is enough and worthwhile. I can be Semere, runaway from a purposeful path, like you know what?, lie to my teeth to a white immigration officer to get an asylum, live in welfare or work some toothless job to enrich some anther white people; while getting fat and old in a process. Here you have it, that is all she wrote, life well lived. Really? It amazes me how happy and proud you are to be a slave. No, no, no, I will not waste my life like you have yours. It should be a purpose for my life and there is. However; you are too slow too shallow to understand it. If you think your garbage will discourage me from what I have set out to do; how far I intend to go; then just shut your pie hole and kiss Dedebit’s behind.

          • Hayat Adem

            Bad habits don’t spare anyone, even your mentors. Now, the dumb mentee is advising back the intelligent mentor. That was what were warning you of: fearlessness and dumbness, a lethal situation. If you can first work on your dumbness, fearlessness can be more of an asset than a liability.

        • HNO3

          Because I am an Ethiopia. Original Ethiopian at that from prominent Ethiopian
          family and history. Do you have any ambuguity ?
          I can clear it for you if you want to know ………………..
          Note :
          ( If the reference is directly or indirectly for me )
          or if it affectes me

      • Mahmud Saleh

        From wedi – saleh to Semere
        Place= undisclosed, as usual from a commanding post behind a keyboard
        Agenda= fact – driven mnQQaH
        Topic= semere recapping past EPLF financial activities
        sensitivity = very old, regurgitated
        Relevance to current topic= may be, maybe not, depending on what Gual Adem thinks.
        Now, tlhya/de’al/ humor/Jokes aside, we are saying the same. We both are saying there is a greater chance that money will be laundered in less transparent states. I said it in my initial comment that the money could be an illegally obtained public fund, it may also be money the state would love to have access to,Or It may as well be money that your country, Canada, would love to get access to; that client could be hiding from the US government, Italian. ..south sudan…all we know is the account is associated with a client who is connected to Eritrea. How difficult is this to swallow. Your defense of Ethiopia is outstanding. I have no idea why you would go that far, a distance Ethiopians would not go for there is no justifying accusations against Ethiopia in my comment. That doesn’t mean I don’t have complaints, but that was not the purpose of my comment.

        • Semere Andom

          To Wedi-Saleh with correction (Neqfeta)
          Past EPLF finance is relevant as past actions are relevant. Deber akanu wo… melAyo.
          If nothing comes out of the current PFDJ exposes, I mean all of them not just this one is the validation, exoneration of all those who told us so, So past is important, that they did sing “lomi kem timali, not lomi kem tsibah 🙂
          So it is not “qole” from my part, the finacial aspect like every PFDJ design is rooted in the past. Do not divorce present from the past that is where fact is found: in the marriage of present and past
          About my outstanding defence of Ethiopia, so is my critical about EPLF/PFDJ, it is outstanding and I hope that become past as well. The reason I mentioned Ethiopia outstandingly is because you said that it was downplayed and that outstanding defence can be defended with the same outstandingly. I I did not say Ethiopia was not corrupted, since it is measuring stick for may, I used same “mesferi”

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam weiche gud,
    .
    I think he said 18 Billion Birr which is about a billion or two. I don’t think it is a Woyane thing. I heard the same story at the Haile Selassie University during his reign. The figures change but always a king size.
    You know what, there is another Amharic saying that Abinet would love. Deha sew behilmu kibe bayTeTa noro niTat yegelew neber.
    .
    I like your name.
    .
    K.H

    • Abinet

      Deha behilmu qibe bayTeTa
      Amedu beweTa.

    • gecho

      Hi Kim,
      I never formed an opinion in this regard for a long time. Lately though, upon hearing enough from both sides of the story I am of the opinion that the King did not stash away such sum of money, (assuming T. Kifle is talking about 18 Billion ETB on or before 1974), around 9 Billion in USD. (Rate at the time (around 1974) was 2.07 ETB= 1 USD.) There might have been some foreign accounts in his name that might have given rise to such accusations.

      Similar stories have been circulating about Col. Mengistu, although there was no official statement from the Ethiopian government. PMMZ was also accused of such crime in some quarters although it seemed to have died as it seemed to have emanated from some shady websites.

  • T. Kifle

    Dear HS,

    Your explanation seems plausible. I think they call it Swiss Bank.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    This new revelation of almost $700 million stashed money is yet another wake up call for all Eritreans who are still involved in financing the PFDJ regime. Some of these people might have innocently thought they were supporting their government and people, but this evidence proves, unfortunately, they were gravely wrong. This is the policy of self-reliance of dictator Isayas; impoverish the Eritrean people by denying them the right of earning a living, exploit them as a free slave labor, and steal from them whatever foreign currency is earned both inside and outside the country.

  • Gherhi Libu

    Where is Haile TG? I am infrequent in this circle here and so I may have missed something.

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Dear Salih Johar,
    Thank you for the brief explanation.
    Dear Tes and Amanuel, thank you or the seemingly different but basically the same encouraging comments. Now after staring at the chart and thinking for a while, I think you are all right. We are unstable people desperately looking for stability. I am sure , as Salih and Amanuel rightly put it we will be OK if we approached our issues with a lot of patience and magnanimity. All we need could be one conference and one charter to get us to the much needed place of stability together.
    Amanuel hawey, I, like you, believe that some of the weak parties will merge to gain strength and survive. Some may even disappear. Once we all set our priorities right and control our emotions, we will get there! 2015 should be the right time for that!

  • SenaiErtrawi
  • T..T.

    The trends of deliberate blindness in the Eritrean Diaspora failed them to notice the fact that the increasing wealth and power of Isayas are sources of misery to the Eritrean youth, who are forced to work for free, while Isayas accumulating wealth in foreign banks.

    Indeed Isayas unofficially created money-less economic system based on QwadE’re free service. We all remember how the Eritrean revolution benefited from the village’s QwadE’re system in that the revolutionary army was getting free meal, considering them as guests of the village. Similarly, we have now the whole population serving Isayas for free. Imagine, the country is marching in time or time stopped for the nation in that it is using the QwadE’re system.

    If the average salary in Eritrea just covers a one day meal, how is a family managing the remaining days of the month? The families should be depending on their family members’ remittances, Hawalas in Nakfas.

    The Nackfa is merely been used by Isayas to transform power of wealth into his complete control of the whole population through threats of starvation and other means that destroy families through different traps thereby making Isayas the ultimate beneficiary of the whole people’s services, which they offer through the imposed QwadE’re system to the nation for free.

    All foreign assistance are under table and are used to legitimize his regime. Thus, Isayas uses the QwadE’re system as a means to get the population’s free services. The equivalents of their pays supposedly reported to the donors are transmitted to Isayas’ accounts with foreign banks. Here, it is not the QwadE’re system but the fear imposed on the public that limits the public’s ability to benefit from the unofficial foreign aid the country receives from the undeclared donors.

    The local currency, Nackfa, also serves Isayas to control capital inflow and flights. The hawala activities and the official remittance are controlled by his enforcement agencies. Both the hawala and the official remittance are designed to benefit Isayas and not the nation. Whether one uses formal or informal channels, Isayas’s enforcement agencies systematically follow who is transferring money and for whom. Usually, the agencies let things go because this or that way Isayas gets the foreign currencies. However, the agencies’ muscle flexing occurs only, if they want to stop the concealed true beneficiary of the transaction from getting the money.

  • Haile WM

    on a separate note i see that Eritrea has 699 million dollar accounts on HSBC Switzerland accounts, one Eritrean person holds $695.2 million in his account. Eritrea ranks 53 from world total by amount money and there are 32 people from Eritrea that has an account there.

    have a look here http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/explore-swiss-leaks-data

    In this trying times it’s revealing where our needed money is (bisha gold and other money).

    • Gherhi Libu

      That is what it all boils down to – possession and control of the meager resources Eritrea has. All the PFDJites are tools by which the rogue PFDJ confiscates Eritreans little resources abroad. Remember, the Eritrean government owes money to PFDJ. That makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

      • Haile WM

        It was all about it from the beginning… no fredom no independence no nothing was intended

        there was this famous quote “kemti ab hamsatat ziteghebre tselim idaga meret ayshietin b husur waga..”
        now not only meriet tesheytu hizbi tesheytu waguu kea ab sweet mettsaweti beal wedi berad koynu

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Haile,
      I didn’t know of this ICIJ and there is a lot of material to be chewed in there. The one you brought is one big question. 700 million dollars of which 99.5 is owned by one person is a BHRD: BIG HIGH RED FLAG. Eritrea as you know is a tiny economy and we can’t have that big rich individual we haven’t known of his existence. Compared to Ethiopia, with bigger Economy and years of monarchical governance, they have only 10 million for 50+ accounts/individuals. This is shocking. Thank you.

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Hayat,

        Well, I don’t think the report includes Emperor HSS’s wealth of his time accounted to be around 18+ Billion ETB(in gold and currency) which the bank officially denied access for Ethiopia. Ethiopia at the time had a GDP around 2B which is much less than the money stashed over there. Obviously, these days, money laundering in a bigger scale isn’t an easy matter.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear T Kifle,
          So, the data is of recent? Does it have a cut-point of as of?

          • T. Kifle

            Dear, Hayat,

            I will repeat here what I said to Haile WM, the data is both old and new. It’s old because it’s more than 40 years old, and , it is new because the money is still in the bank.

        • wolde ab

          T. Kifle,
          I am curious to find out where you found the information about the Emperor’s hidden wealth.
          When his body was entered into its final resting place, Sellasie church, some people in the US helped some of the grandchildren pay for air fare.
          Politics aside, how was the accounting done and by whom?
          Just flabbergasted by the amount (alleged amount).
          Wolde ab

          • Haile WM

            that number was totally fabricated by the derg in order to get some popularity and ride the rage of the time against Hailesilase. At that time let alone haile silasie having 18 billion ETB (more or less the USD was at the same rate) the whole Ethiopia didn’t have that much money. Its curios some woyane still ride the DERG time propaganda.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Haile WM,

            This nearly accurate figure presented by the late Dr. Abdulmajid Hussein , the then minister of Economic Relations and Development, in his interview given to one media around 1994. He tried to get it back but without success because it needed the consent of his children to an effect and the children refused to cooperate. The said money is still in the bank coffers probably by now might become its property. So it is not a DERG fabricated propaganda.

          • Amde

            T. Kifle,

            Well that sounds fishy. Dr. Abdulmejid says in a random newspaper interview that he was going to get the HaileSellasie Billions, but his kids wouldn’t co-operate. These are the same kids who generally have not shown (by most accounts) the lifestyle of inheritors of billions. But the good Dr makes himself out to be an incompetent hero, HaileSellasie into a thief, and the HaileSellasie kids into unpatriotic shills. Nice going for the Dr.

            My guess is that HaileSellasie likely had some accounts outside the country, worth a few millions at the most, not the fantastic billions. In a sense the numbers don’t matter to the politics of it – the poor people of Ethiopia of 1974 (and by the way, most of the Derg officers of the time probably had salaries of a couple hundred birr at the time) cannot really comprehend the difference between millions and billions, so any claim of billions would have stuck onto an already maligned figure.

            Amde

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Amde,

            You must have heard one of the sons of HSS approached to buy and develop the Ghion Hotel plus some expansive lots for initial investment of about 7 Billion Birr in about 10 years ago market price. I have no idea why it didn’t materialized but it would tell me much about the “poor king”. In any case, this is a problem under the bridge and I fore one have no interest to talk about it any more.

          • Dear Haile WM,

            We know very well that the following news were blowing in the wind of the times, and it was in every Ethiopian ear that, HS owned billions of dollars in secret accounts in Swiss banks and elsewhere, when asked by the Dergue to bring back the money, his response was that he had inherited his money to his children, as any Ethiopian would have done, and during the Wollo famine he had
            borrowed $100m, which he transferred to his own account in a bank in another country.

            The Dergue was said to have been paid even for the Bete Israel (Fallashas), when they left Ethiopia to Sudan and then to Israel (a sort of human trafficking on the Dergue’s side), on top of the money stolen in the known and unknown ways these mechanisms function.

            Today, one has to Google to see that more than $10 bn and bars of gold have illegally left Ethiopia over the last decade or so. The nouveaux riches of today’s Ethiopia have a lot to tell us in the future.

            Therefore, African governments and most governments in the world attain political power with the aim to amass money illegally, depending on the level of democracy and independent judiciary of each country. Up to now, we have not seen a government of saints and holy men. The unfortunate thing is that nobody can prove it, and worse still, there is no law to force this money is returned
            to poor Africans, who are dying of famine and disease. Of course, we see westerners throwing to them some bread, to fulfill their obligations as human beings, whenever Africans get hungry or they are forced to be refugees. I am sure that Jesus had said, give to the poor one-tenth
            of what you have (the product of your labor), and He did not say, give one-tenth of what you have stolen.

            African leaders are happy to steal, Westerners and Easterners (the newcomers) are ready to facilitate the conditions for them, and both are working in unison to scratch each other’s back, until of course, greedy African
            leaders and their cronies are deposed and killed, and the money remains in the host country and becomes part of their economy.

          • Abinet

            Hi Horizon
            You know what Jesus also said? ” begochen Tebiqu”.
            He never said simechachihu begochen Tebiqu.
            Tsehayu Nigus should never steal a penny from his people.
            He left us in a dark while we called him Tsehsyu Nigus. What a shame!
            ” Lemiwedenina lemnwedew hizbachin”
            Derg did the same . Who knows how much money derg made from operation Moses and operation Solomon ?
            The same with meles and his family.
            “Gize kemestawot endemin yileyal,
            Enkuwan yesew fitun jerbawun yasayal” ( tewodros taddsse)

          • Selam Abinet,
            You made me walk down the memory lane, when you wrote “Tsehayu Nigus, Yemiwedenina yeminwedew hizbachin”. I also remembered when as elementary school children, we used to sing “idmehin yarzimew inde Matusala indene Abrham, and other songs, which I do not remember now”, whenever there was a national
            celebration of one sort or other. These were the years of innocence and naivety.
            He is divine to Rastafarians. Never was he the philosopher king, as much as Ethiopians are concerned, and it is difficult to digest that he was the poorest absolute Monarch ever, as some people try to show us. Nevertheless, still I respect him, because, he is part of our history.

            P.S. Abinet, please try to download Geez fonts, because your beautiful idioms and quotes are losing their beauty, because of the English alphabet you are using.

          • Tesfa

            Ryszard Kapuscinski’s “The Emperor” – possibly the best book on events leading up to the 1974 revolution – details Haileselassie’s life prior to and during the revolution era. It paints a fairly clear picture of how the king ruled the country, and his relationship with the novelty and the common man. The book doesn’t give an impression of a man who can amass the amount of money he is accused of stashing in Swiss banks. The king plastered money on the floor under the palace carpet for a rainy day – which the Derg took right when they assumed power. He was devastated when that happened. This doesn’t mean he didn’t have accounts in foreign banks. The author tangentially talks about the wealth HS was rumored to have shifted out of the country. Kapuscinski’s estimate is a maximum of USD 200 million. Note that the book is a collection of first hand accounts of the the novelty who served under HS. I consider it reasonably reliable – it is a hugely acclaimed book.

            About the money the Derg was to have been paid for letting the Felashas leave the country, Herman Cohen confirmed that they did get paid, I believe USD 35 million by Israel (I think the US paid in Israel’s behalf). But Derg never withdrew the money, and it went to EPRDF when they came to power. Cohen says that Meles returned the money saying it was immorally gained. Then, Israel gave the money to Ethiopia in the form of Foreign Aid.
            That’s just my two cents!

          • destaa

            I have this information regarding Haile Selasie money
            http://addisfortune.com/Vol_12_No_595_Archive/ecconomic_commentary.htm

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Wolde ab,
            You could be right about the help his children might received from sympathizers because the money is, as my information goes, still in the hands of the bank. So it’s likely that the children face a temporary hitch in those hours. But I don’t really believe that HSS had only that account. Had it been the case, it would have been hard for them to lead life the way they do for all those years now.

        • Saleh Johar

          Long time T.Kifle, nice to see you back.

          Are you saying Haile Sellasie was the Ali Baba of emperors?

          I know, you can get away accusing him simply because you are Ethiopian. If I said that, a lot of people would have been fuming 🙂

          Welcome back

          • T. Kifle

            Dear SGJ,
            Thank you very much Sir,
            Actually I always follow the discussion at Awate lurking from behind and technically I am always here. It’s not easy for me to be away from this website for reasons I know of.

            And Yes, HSS amassed whatever wealth the poor country could muster. There is no question about that. There are documents in the hands of the government that attest to this very fact but become legally hard to get it back as it was stashed there in his name and unless the children are willing to cooperate it remains to be the property of the Swiss Bank. The children also couldn’t access that particular account to this date.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam T. Kifle,
          .
          It was good to hear from you. You have been missed. About the above post, let me tell you I was suspicious at first that my cousin Hope might be playing games with the moderators. But as the saying goes that sometimes Sidetegnet lewere yimetchal endilu, unless you intended to entertain your hosts here at Awate, I am not sure if you are joking or not.
          .
          Based on your past articles and postings of yours I have read, I am anxious to hear your reply.
          What is the source of this information you relied heavily upon as to the size of the wealth HSI? And more importantly do you believe it?
          .
          K.H

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Kim Hanna,
            The feeling is mutual, thank you.

            As to your question, I got the number I have quoted here from the late Minister of Economic Relations and Development while he was negotiating for the same in his capacity representing the government. And I have no reason to doubt him as he gave a detailed explanation about the proceedings and the legal hurdles including what it means for Ethiopia if, by some magic wand, it got that huge sum. The journalist asked him what the impact of that money could be in case we get it back and he siad close to, “Ethiopia would be able to pay all the debts it had, run multi-billion projects that could take her to higher level.”. So the issue is not whether it is true but whether the money would remain being the property of the bank beasts.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam T. Kifle,
            .
            I don’t want to say too much, because I don’t know much. Just a minor observation here. I have read in the newspapers here some years ago in the U.S that some Jewish families have collected substantial sums from Swiss Banks. It apparently was money that belonged to their relatives prior and during the 2nd World War.
            .
            There are Law firms in the U.S and I am sure in Europe too that do work on contingency fee basis. They are paid only when they win and collect. Members of these Law Firms are very knowledgeable people and usually are former bankers and lawyers themselves. They are specialists. They are not stupid. They don’t go out on a wild goose chase.
            .
            I have heard these accusations before usually in political circles. Therefore forgive me for being a little suspicious of this massive wealth while the great (great) grand children are working for a living around the western world. It is said that you cannot prove the negative. Who knows, hopefully for our sake in the distant future we will discover this wealth and all the interest it has accrued by then will solve all our money problems.
            .
            It is really great to hear from you. The debate between you and Mr. SAAY was one of those great moments I will never forget.
            .
            K.H

        • Nero

          Although this story has been around ever since the Derg there has not been confirmation of it being true. Tefera Degefe, the Governor of the National Bank of Ethiopia during the Emperor’s time and the Derg, has written about this in his biography. He mentions that he was part of the committee that was entrusted to retrieve the alleged stolen money, and in the end he mentioned that he doubted the veracity of this rumour.

          If Tefera Degefe, who is an outsider of the Emperor’s circle and of the Derg thinks as such. I doubt there is any truth in it.
          N

      • Haile WM

        dear Hayat,
        this data is for only one bank, i can’t imagine how much wealth the eritrean mafia junta have on other banks in Swiss and around the world. Meanwhile eritreans dye in deserts and drown in the seas. How much will we let them do this to us is the big question.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi SDG:-)
        Not shocking at all!. It does not shock me if this was the tip of the iceberg and it might have started during the armed struggle. Remember the government of Eritrea is poor, PFDJ is rich, EPLF tthe front was poor, EPLF the secret party was rich.

        In the west you see rich successful people run for politics abandoning lucrative careers to make their mark for the betterment of humanity, but for tyrants like DIA it is for generational and dynasty wealth that they do what they do and not to better their society let alone humanity. DIA has fooled a lot of the people for a long time, his external modesty is a facade and because as people we admire modesty and we shun flashy show offs even if the person has earned every dime of it, it worked. I hope we have the legal means to claim this money
        To the still fooled:It is your 2%, it is your martyrs fund, it is your one dollar a day keeps the Woyane away, it is your every dime that went to the DAI pockets while the tegadalai starved, died to save a rifle, wealth is created over a long period of time and this may well be the tip. I hope some brave insider leaks documents that show DIA money. How about Hagos KIsha defects, leaking this information with proof and we make a deal with him. And Ali Abdu needs to do so too, he knows a lot after the freedom his family and his daughter is secured, fingered crossed

        • Amde

          Semere

          In the hands of those who would know what to do with it, this is political dynamite.

          This means not only does PFDJ have no incentive to change this racket, it also guarantees that even after being driven from power, the PFDJ will exist for decades to come as a shadow criminal network in the horn and middle east.

          Amde

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Amde:
            This is very unique perspective, never saw it that way. If you have money you can have many lives.

        • Nitricc

          The stupidity of the so called opposition is well illustrated by none but Semere, then dumb. they have no problem accusing the Eritrean government selling its passport to the highest bidder and when news like this comes out they have no shame to point a finger at the Eritrean president. how about a little thinking before you displayed your stupidity? you told us the Eritrean government was selling Eritrean passport to Arabs for money and how do you id this money is belonged to those Arabs who bought the passport? you keep kissing up to what ever dedebit writes is sad. think if you have a trace of gray matters. again how do you know who’s this money belongs to?

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            You stated, “…they have no problem accusing the Eritrean government selling its passport to the highest bidder…”

            I am not commenting on anything but the above. My dear, that is true because I know it. I know people who bought Eritrean passports. Yous statement is ridiculous, at least to someone like me who know it in great detail. A Colonel was assigned to the task of selling passports and he stayed in Kuwait for marketing it to the Bedoun (stateless people in Kuwait).

          • Hayat Adem

            Saleh, he was not per se questioning that. He was using it as a hypothetical argument to ease out the new crashing truth for soft landing. All this fearless dumb is saying is: you called them passport retailers and that was wrong and false. You accuse them of putting hiding Eritrean public money in Swiss banks. That was wrong and false. But if you believe in the first false accusation, why would you be surprised with the 2nd false accusation?
            This is the first time this dumb is entering a zone beyond his pay grade, some level of improved sophistication for a dumb: you have your cake, you eat it and you accuse someone else for it. Call it a 3-D improvisation- Daring, Deflective and Dumb.

          • Nitricc

            Dedebit I heard the 10 million in Swiss bank belong to your dead lover; Kiross Alemayo; is that true? If you weren’t stupid you could have co-jointed on the account . All that money could have been yours. But stupid is stupid does. Regarding your TPLF, well, Suyum Mesfin alone is wroth 20 million dollars, of course under his son’s name. Quiz for you how much do you think your dead dictator’s wife worth? Hint start with Khat exporting …. Keep going I will give you the numbers. Since you are, oh well …..

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            Why should we trust you? IF this was true it could have made it to Dmtsi Hafash or TVEri
            In teh business I am in you take everything you hear with a massive grain of sea salt, but if it comes from TVEri we do not have to take with any grain of sale, because TVEri and IA are based in the salt it self, the read sea. You cannot take salt with grain of salt, it is stupid, it is Debebitan mindset.
            your track recod of telling truth does not entitle you to be taken without grain of salt, to waiver that you have to be residing in the salt

          • Nitricc

            SJ Thanks for conforming. What drives me to the well is when people are lazy to think, analyze and look things at any given direction. This Dedebit lover; come out shooting his mouth in one direction. To me it is doubtful that this money belongs to the Eritrean government. You can not say from the sells of gold because the report is up to 2006 and the gold did not get to the market till 2011 or 2010. Prior to that there was devastating war with Ethiopia then came the suffocating sanction. Everything the nation tries to do is with no or minimum financial help from the out side world. How is it possible all this money can be sitting in bank while we are told.
            We spend so much many rebel groups Financing and arming: AL-Shebab, TPDM, and all the other rebels we are supposedly wasting our money on.
            We were told in many occasions that the Eritrean government was in a brink of collapsing due to shortage of hard currency. How is it possible “isolated” Broke” and “money laundering government could possibly amass that much money? How?
            Just close your eyes and imagine the journey of this country and her government and ask yourself; is it possible?
            For me, I doubt it. there are many rich people who want to hide their money and all they need is a passport; since Eritrea was distributing Eritrean passports in the middle east, it could be any of them. One slight possibility is the Eritrean government is heavily involved in South Sudan’s business through different individuals; can they accumulate that much money from there? NO, again the report is up to 2006 and South Sudan wasn’t born in 2006.
            A mamo to the Dedebit lover; The 2% and the military service is here to stay long after PFDJ is gone. So, stop attacking it is a noble idea.

          • Nitricc

            DUB))) wrong!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hayat Adem,
        .
        It is shocking to me too. Let me tell you why I am shocked. It omitted Emperor Haile Selassie’s name completely, go figure. Everybody knows he has Billions and Billions maybe even into few Trillion dollars stashed in Swiss banks for a rainy day. After all he was the King of Ethiopia, that included Eritrea for decades.
        .
        I smell fishy leaking if you ask me. CIA and Mossad must be operating behind the scene for some yet unidentified reason. From where I seat it is very likely that they have stolen his identity and subsequently misappropriated all the Trillions of dollars that belonged to the poor Ethiopian people.
        .
        “Deha sew behilmu kibe bayTeTa noro niTat yegelew neber.”
        .
        K.H

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear KH,
          Enlighten me on E.HS. I once read somewhere one of his sons, Prince Ermias, or so lives on taxi driving work in the DC area. I don’t know if HS had that amount of money, why didn’t leave it in a retrievable status for his children? That said, I have nothing to see your point or otherwise. But, the spot light should be directed at the data at hand, don’t you think so? If remember correctly, this data is from non-other than the Snowden. I’ve no reason to doubt what we are seeing is sexed up on motive of manipulation and what has been rumored about an Emperor who expired long ago is undoubted.

          • Abinet

            Dearest Hayat
            Until Kim comes let me say this . The king was so greedy that he stayed in power
            / throne until he died like a dog. He thought he would live for hundreds of years . So wanted his money and his power untit Jesus ( his brother ) comes back. As we say in Amharic ” habtam mehayim yedhoch feTari yehone yimeslewal” For Geez translation seek help from TK.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hayat, Snowden has nothing to do with it…

            Here is the background to the story: http://goo.gl/vUGqi2

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            Sorry, totally my fault.
            .
            I was using similar logic, some Ethiopians use to conclude that the E.HS had billions in Swiss bank.
            .
            The fact of the absence of his name from the list is casually dismissed.
            .
            Since it is an article of faith for most, I was trying to exaggerate it to a ridiculous level.
            .
            You are absolutely right the focus should be on this new information.
            .
            K.H

  • Kokhob Selam

    How about accepting all are ours. We learn from the past being proud of our heroes and evaluate our past history but living in now while creating the future.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9gtArxN7Rc&feature=youtu.be

    • Peace!

      Dear Kokhob,

      Of course they all are ours, but some of them, consciously, are not loyal to us, the people. Now, forget meetings and functions,what we really need is a bulldozer to clean that chart once for all.

      Regards

  • farnelo

    Great Eritrean struggle ‘haShewiye ‘ chart. Adding timeline will make it complete and an awesome reference map.

  • Kokhob Selam

    it is good beginning. Yes, more work required to update it. Yet, thousands of questions to ask and no clear answer can be found for most of questions. if you ask why even create parties over parties, and go through most of the individuals who created and who jump from one party to the other, you will not get the answer to why they do that. at times the one who oppose one party may be come a member to the same party after some time. was there any principal stand that make some against the other? no for most of the people. for now it is better not to mention as it was nonsense journey. in fact all will just become history when one practical party will represent all during change, soon we will witness this. my prediction is Eritrea may have only three parties and their healthy presence will create modern Eritrea.

  • SenaiErtrawi

    BBC World Service had a short commentary (interviewed Sarah Ogbay) on Eritrea this morning and made the same mistake they have been corrected and apologized for. They keep using the adjective ‘tiny’ when describing Eritrea when it ranks 101 out of 250 countries in the world. Do you think they do this intentionally? I wish the avoid this mistakes and unbiased so that the main message gets across.

    • Peace!

      Dear Senai,

      No surprise! BBC thinks Israel is the world’s largest country.

      Regards

    • guest

      ” tiny ” as in area? If my memory serves me good, they taught us when we were young that adjectives like tiny, huge, tall, short, etc are just relative words. Compared to vatican, djibouti, bahrain, or even qatar, Eritrea is huge. It is almost as huge/ tiny as england…But compared to saudi arabia, china, or even libya or algeria, it is tiny.As far as i am concerned, tiny/huge are adjectives in the eyes of the beholder. Thus, i still insist ADDI GEDDA IS the biggest and greatest because she produces the best TAFF in the world…lol

    • Semere Andom

      Hi SenaiEritrawi:
      Eritrea is “bigger” than many counties in the world, but still smaller than even more countries in the world. I am more offended by what Eritrea does than what it is called. This tiny description offends many PFDJ supporters (I am not saying your are one), but Sophia Tesfamariam was so offended by it that she said that Eritrea is 5 times bigger than Israel and the later is not described as tiny, a big conspiracy to her mind Israel is a giant as far as I am concerned. It is just silly to be offended and to blow this out of proportion while there are many things that our government does in our name that we should be ashamed of. In the context of a country tiny or gigantic does not matter, Israel is a good example. But Eritrea is tiny compared to Ethiopia and huge compared to Djibouti.
      We should not hanker on trivial things there are overwhelming self-inflicted offensive things that should bother us, once Eritrea rises the tiny description will fade away and more befitting description to is actions will be used.
      Eritrea as it stands now is one of the most “tiny” nations behind Djibouti , behind Qatar in the same league as NK

      • Nitricc

        so why do you think to Djibouti never attached ” TINY” but is always to Eritrea? it does not bother me, in fact, when they say tiny country Eritrea deafited huge Ethiopia, it is very complimenting. it shows our tenacity, courage, fair, character and our collective will to fight and all true.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Nitricc:
          Because Eritrea never behaved, I take that back, Eritrea is over 100 years old, I meant to say Eritrea under the helm of PFDJ did not behave. It clashed with Yemen, with Sudan several times, with Djiboubti several times and with Ethiopia. It bullies its own and it thinks it can bully tiny and big countries alike. PFDJ got spoiled because it got away with things in the jungle.
          Military people are privy too the carnage of war and many of them are anti-war, they wish new generations would not have to go through what they want through, so tell me Nitricc do you think 4 conflicts in the 24 years, that is an average of 1 conflict every 5.6 years was justified or is there something wrong with that picture?
          Every conflict Eritrea was engaged in, it lost it and everyone of them was solvable by diplomacy. There is no proof that war was PFDJ’s last unavoidable option or that PFDJ tried every arrow in its quiver, painfully and sagaciously worked avoid the war. That is why Eritrea is attacked, not because of its size
          I am a realist wars sometimes cannot be avoided and nations tiny or huge sometimes have no option.
          In stead of agonizing over someone’s description of Eritrea as a tiny nation, Eritrea better work on the size that matters most, the size of its brain,the size of its GDP,the size of its educations, the size of the number of people it lifted from poverty, the increasing the size of its natural endowments by using high tech to drill and prove reserves and the size of the you that stay in the homeland and the size of the slaves that it employees and reducing the size of its citizens who languish in the jails. The size of its Geography is immutable any ways and when Eritrea reduces the sizes that need to be reduced and increases the sizes that matter like the GDP, reporters will call it a robust nation

  • Abraham Hanibal

    I guess the great majority of the “parties” or “organizations” shown in this chart are nothing more than a gathering of a handful of individuals. A reality that indicates it has so far been difficult to engage and mobilize Eritreans around a few larger and more robust political parties.

  • Fnote Selam

    Dear Guest,

    Correct me if I am wrong, but ELL was formed last year (?). The chart was prepared in 2007 and thus it doesnt show groups that came after that.

    Best,

    FS.

  • Amde

    Lij Abinet,

    bel Telat ayismah. ferenj ye Teff dabo, ye Teff cake, ye Teff cereal, ye Teff burger, ye Teff menno (forage), ye Teff birra.. wezete iyale siayasefesif minnew be Tef lay meTah?

    Teff is only labor intensive because it has not had the privilege of having had the decades of agricultural research and mechanization that the rest of the grains have had. Just give it some time…

    • Abinet

      Getaw
      Do you know how much corn can be produced in a hectare of land as opposed to Teff? Over 100 quintal with proper agricultural input.
      Just imagine a farmer with all that production. Have you heard of the expression “zerun yebela gebere ” . It means the farmer is too poor he ate the seed he kept for the next season’s farming. My point we don’t have the luxury to experience with Teff. Let the ferenj do that . I eat corn cereal . We have a lot of mouths to feed. I hope you get my point.

      • guest

        Howmany quintal of TEFF can be produced in the sam hectare of land with proper agriculture input, so we can evaluate both the arguments, more fairly

        • Abinet

          I don’t have that number handy. I’ll try to get it . However, it was possible to harvest 120 quintals of corn per hectare . I’m talking in ethiopia not somewhere in the west. That is a lot of corn for a farmer . On top of that you can harvest multiple times a year

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Abinet,

            You are always confused old man. Amde corrected you, thank you @Amde, and now you are into unsaid argument. Protection does not consider amount but ORIGIN and TRADITION. Teff is not European and Europeans can not be the owners of property rights of a product that does not belong them. Calm down and try to understand what the subject matter is. If European or any other company got the property rights of TEFF, it means, no other country, company or enterprise can have it and that is whay I call for a petition.

            By the way, you are consuming a genetically modified monsanto food products and you can’t understand what the subject matter is. All you need is bulky food, isn’t it? I will help you anyway to learn something even in your late age

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YERe-QsKekU

          • Abinet

            Never a dull moment when you are around .

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            I know the man is something else. He appears to come from the twilight zone when you least expect it.
            .
            Now a direct question to you.
            Have you eaten any food from anywhere in the world that is better than a soft well prepared white teff ingera with doro wat.?
            I am only talking about taste now.
            .
            K.H

          • Abinet

            Selam Kim
            Are you kidding? Nothing tastes better than that. Forget doro wat. Tikus injera with mitmuta. Qategna is one of my favorite foods. I can not have enough of it.
            Regarding Prof Tes and doro , I got this just for you. It is a little modified to accommodate Tes.
            Awra doro
            Min yibelal ? Tebediro.
            Min yikeflal? Meret chiro.

            Aya anbessa (Prof Tes)
            Min yibelal? Tebediro.
            Min yikeflal? Man tenagro

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            I am sure you are expecting Prof. Tes. to go tangent to somewhere else, following him is a job in itself.
            Regarding Teff injera and doro wot, I am glad you agree. There is absolutely nothing better.
            Therefore, we, meaning our universities must make it a priority to find a way to produce this product on a massive scale. Since we cannot create more land our scientists have to come up with a solution through research.
            Now imagine the untapped market. I am sure all those Chinese workers in Ethiopia are hooked by now. When they go home they have to have it. We don’t want to deal with a Teff cartel in the next half of this century.
            .
            K.H

          • Abinet

            Kim
            Don’t worry about Tes . He has gone looking for injera .
            Can you imagine Teff on the commodity exchange market and Prof Tes scream ” no you can not do this. It is our product”
            You think ethiopia can produce enough Teff to share with the Chinese ? Can we make noodle out of Teff?

        • Abinet

          It is about 10 quintals at a regular farm and about 22 at research farms . My number is old.

          • Amde

            Abinet

            You are comparing corn yield after over a century of agricultural research to the yield of Teff that had barely even registered onto global agricultural research. Just give it some time. If the nutritional claims of Teff bear out, it will be western Teff demand that will give the push to research and mechanisation.

          • Abinet

            Getaw
            Endeqalwo yihun

  • HayaT1

    I have the pleasure of reading Salah Johar’s articles and want to express my genuine admiration to his beautiful mind. Salah is not only a prolific writer but also a noble man with rich understanding of history, art and language. At times, knowing the inscrutable truth hurts but its final outcome is enlightenment, justice and social betterment. Although Johar is forced to leave the very country/people he loves the most by the policies of the thuggish tyrant, that did not stop him from doing the right thing and I thank him for that.

  • dawit

    The confusing chart can be simplified as ELM –> ELF–> EPLF–> PFDJ. The rest is annoying and confusing the path.

  • Yman M Omar

    This is as confusing as Nitric’s head 😀

    • Nitricc

      what is so confusing about me? are you mixing me up with some Dedebitawian? you know? no name calling please lol. i am straight up!

  • Tesfabirhan WR
  • Abel Fesshazion

    Can a highlander join? 🙂

    • Guest

      Why is HGDEF as a Kebessa-centric organization that is populated and dominated by Christians not your cup of tea (or your Melelikh of Sewa) , Mr.Fesshazion?

      • Abel Fesshazion

        Dear Guest, Forgive me for my weak joke 🙂 The point is i dislike PFDJ and many other groups that destroy Eritrea based on religion and Ethnic group. That is dividing us like Ethiopia. For example they have
        Tigrayan People’s Liberation Front
        Oromo People’s Democratic Organization
        Amhara National Democratic Movement
        Southern Ethiopian People’s Democratic Movement
        All based on Ethnicity not on true political beliefs. I seriously don’t view myself as a highlander but an Eritrean.

        • Guest

          Maybe you are an exception and I have to take you at your word that you “seriously don’t view [yourself] as a highlander but an Eritrean”. Good for you! But the question Mr.Fesshazion is this: how do other Eritreans view you? Just an Eritrean and nothing more or nothing less or Mr. Fesshazion from such and such place/locality in Eritrea, the son of so and so, whose Adi ( Village and heritage) from, say, Dem SebAay ( Blood Of Man), the descendant of this or that clan. Let me give you an analogy that may help in clarifying what I am trying to say here. If you run into a typical white person in The U.S.A and if he tells you that he does not consider himself as a white person but just an American because he is colorblind and that these racial classification is going to tear the good ‘ol U.S.A apart, what would you honestly think of that person. For sure, you would say this dude is really unique. Then again, a thought would cross your mind and you may start to wonder if this white dude is for real or which U.S.A he lives in? That is precisely what I would have wondered about that white dude knowing full well t about the stark racial reality in America.

          • Abel Fesshazion

            Everything you said was on point. Agree 100%

        • Yoty Topy

          Abel,
          I am currious if the Tigre people whose history we read few issues ago share your nationalistic sentiments.

      • dawit

        Most loyal supporters of PFDJ are Low Landers. Count those who escape the country, most are highlanders while lowlanders defend the country. The root of Eritrean problem is not religion it is expansionists Ethiopian. Fenkil 25 years ago uprooted them, but trying to plant themselves again through organizations of tribal parties such as ELL etc.
        Eritrean High landers EHL and ELL are celebrating Fenkil 25 year Anniversary!

        • Guest

          Are we talking about the same PFDJ, Mr. Dawit??? I am not sure that if the PFDJ you are referring to is the same PFDJ I had in mind. The PFDJ I am talking about has its head a Christian Kebessian known as Issaias Afeworki with all the top generals from the Kebessa region. Top advisors and enforcers the two Yemanes and Hagos Kisha are for sure Christian Kebessa. The majority of the supporters inside and outside Eritrea are Deqi Kebessa. The lowlanders are not leaving Eritrea as much as the highlanders, not because of anything else, they don’t have the opportunities that many highlanders take for granted like, for instance, having a relative in the Eritrean military who can expedite and help in transporting them across the border to the Sudan. Then you have to consider the ‘pull factor’ where many lowlanders don’t have relatives in Europe and America to facilitate their resettlement in Europe and America. These are among the factors that may explain why many lowlanders are not escaping or leaving Eritrea and not because of their loyalty to PFDJ.

  • Saleh Johar

    Dear Guest, the chart stops in 2007. The ELL was formed in 2014, and it didn’t declare it was a political organization.

  • Abel Fesshazion

    wow what a mess

    • Saleh Johar

      Indeed it has always been a mess Abel. And until we recognize we have a mess, it will not correct itself. But don’t despair, it is a common political illness that thrives under injustice.

      • Peace!

        Hi SJ

        I thought majority of Eritrean people have recognized the fact that the opposition groups are in total mess, and even recognized the despair it evokes among thoughtful people is far more worse. I think to characterize the mess as a “common political illness” sounds a bit understatement. The mess is not a result of that the groups are just being disorganized, as most in the opposition claim, but perhaps it is because there is no consensus on purpose and direction which are the crucial ingredients for unity.

        peace!

  • guest

    Hi amanuel. There was a unity between ELF-PLF and a splinter of ELF-RC.( i cant remember now what their official name was ). Upon merger of the two groups, they came to be known ELF-PLF/ UO. Attanzeem Almuwahhad. Is that somewhere in the chart? I cant see it.

    • Amanuel. Hidrat

      Hi guest,

      If I am not wrong I think you are refering about the group ELF was calling them “yemin ” who were sympathiezer to ELF-PLF or the Sabe group. if I am right, they were nipped in the bud by ELF when they reached Denkelia before they form an organiztion. Some of the prominent figures I could remember from the group are Omer Suba and Omer mohamed who ambush the general on the route keren to Asmara. So there weren’t mergers of such thing. I don,t think AT included them and I don’ t even see them included in the flow chart.

      Amanuel. Hidrat

      • guest

        Merhaba Amanuel. I think it is the one Ustath Saleh mentioned..referred as AU on the far right side about half way down on the chart. We just need to remember what the A stand for.
        thanks.

    • Saleh Johar

      Guest, the UO is referred as AU. It is there…can’t remember the A, but the U stands for Union.

      • guest

        probably it is. I cant remember the A too..but the correct translation would be, for tanzeem muwahhad, UO.. united organization. Listen. What happened to my comment of Ma3ar Tsorona and Beggi3 Addi Gua3dad? They also deserve protection like Taff Addi Gedda.. and they are pure eritrean produce un-matched anywhere else in kebesa or the world for the matter.

  • Ted

    There got to a lesson hidden in this maze i couldn’t decipher. Can you?

    • Saleh Johar

      Ted, in fact you can decipher a thread which is a lesson.

      • Ted

        Saleh, if i take the chart at face value, i see “Together we stand, divided we fall”. But the lesson i yet to learn is why they all fail to materialize except one.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Ted,
          which one is the “except one”? There are reasons for their failure – the intractable social contradictions that are not addressed yet nationally.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, For your question, EPLF is the exception currently ruling the country.
            “Yet” is when. Shouldn’t any organization does its research ” intractable social contradictions” before nominating itself to lead a country. May be a lesson there.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,
            Unfortunately, EPLF is a failed organization to govern. Because it is in the driving seat of the state doesn’t mean it is governing the Eritrean people peacefully and keeping intact the natural bond of our social fabric. Absolutely not. In fact it became the cause of the frictions of our social fabric. The Eritrean people do not have any say in the destiny of their life and their nation. The relationship of the government and the Eritrean people is not different than the relationship of a slave and slave owner. It is a country where there is no rule of law. They can kill you or imprison you without due process. They can expropriate your property at anytime. It is a state run by a group of “skunis” and modern bandits that has never seen in the Eritrean history. This is a literal definition of the organization that are running the current state of Eritrea. Politically as state can be defined as “North Korea of Africa” having the totalitarian state structure controlling all the livelihood of our population.

            So Ted so far all the the political organizations including the “governing party” have failed to govern Eritrea as a normal state. Here is the current status of Eritrea: Neither PFDJ is able to run the state nor the existing political organization could solve their differences and become an alternative at this stage. Anyone who could describe our reality out of this scope, it is all self-deception and self-adulation in a virtual world.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, Good or bad all the above acronyms on the chart were hoping to lead Eritreans to the promised land once they get the throne. They be judged how they govern the country. Sadly they all failed except EPLF regardless of what the EPLF organization we believed it to be. They are ruling the country aren’t they? If i take every thing you mentioned above as a whole truth, it only make the opposition as ” self-deception and self-adulation in a virtual world”. who can’t even take out this rotten, outcast and dead to the root organization.
            regards,
            Ted.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            We need to differentiate clearly between ruling and ruling in the right way, of course no entity or government that is made of man and by man I mean human being can be expected to rule perfectly in the kingdom made up human beings. Any one with guns can rule over millions of people, so PFDJ is ruling but not ruling. Many of the organizations you see here were created because PFDJ is not ruling with reason and sanity. Of course we do not need all of them, we can do with 3 or 4. Look at USA Republican party, it is an “alloy” of many interest groups and diverse political movements, but they have one unifying theme. In Canada we have more parties and the right was fragmented but a decade ago they realigned and now we have a conservative party that is made up of very extreme right wing and moderates.
            In our case the fragmentation says a lot: either we are not as united as we think we are or we do not get it. Our government set the tone on the first day of independence with the “Hashewiye” speech, that speech actually was no uniting theme, we won, we will lord over you and no one is allowed a say was its salient massage. The government that boasts it liberated us has the responsibility to unite us by laws, rights and duties. In Eritrea we only have duties, no rights, no laws.
            A government that does not unite, does not attempt to furnish the most rudimentary laws that human beings had for over 1000 years is nor ruling, if it is ruling, it a Mafioso rule, which is not rule

          • Ted

            Amanuel, No need to play with words. For better or worse EPLF is in control of Eritrean affairs. There is no other way around it. The proof is in the pudding i.e diplomatic missions in Eritrea. EPLF is alive and kicking, for oppositions, it is better to come up with better strategy than avoiding the obvious fact.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Emma,

            On a lighter note, I just noticed you have made 1234 comments on this forum as of now 😉

            Your comments are very valuable, keep it up!

            Best,

            FS.

          • Salahadin

            Ok,

            Go on investigating what exacly the commenter is meant

            Go on counting how many comments are put by each commenter

            Go on pretending that you are learning.

            Well done FS.

          • Fnote Selam

            Take it easy man.

            FS.

        • guest

          for obvious reasons, were led by illiterate nomads and farmers with no vision.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    spaghetti is not ours, it is not our traditional food though we consume it. We may produce it for local consumption but we can not sell it in the international market as ours. Italians will restrict us from using the brand name spaghetti and promote it. And if we give it another name, people may not buy it or at least they need time to build confidence.

    But we have our own product which we are already familiar with and we have a right to claim as ours and produce it for our local markets and if it gets customers outside, we can sell it and still we can protect it as our own product.

    World agricultural commodity trading is changing fast now and it will be very hard soon to penetrate the wolrd market unless there is a mechanism to promote our local and traditional products and become beneficiaries.

  • Yoty Topy

    Hi Aman,
    That actually helps. So, am I right to interpret the time chronology of this chart as 1961 at the bottom and 2007 at the top ?

    • guest

      The other way, Yoty

  • Yoty Topy

    What a tangled web we weave!This would make a great “gabbi” .

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Are we this unstable?

    • Nitricc

      that is why you got to give the guy his due, PIA managed through all that carp and delivered. I used to think thermodynamics is the hardest, well, looking at that very interesting illustration; thermo-D is nothing. it is amazing for a guy to sweep through all that illustration and pass all the obstacles and yet incomplete. so, yes, your toothless opposition is not only unstable but none-existance. just pray for the guy to have the wisdom to leave Eritrea at the best. take that Dr. Sarah, give the guy his due.

    • guest

      Sadly yes. Paraphrasing Ghawwar in Kasak ya watan, “…kebesa became kebesatain ( two kebesas ) wal metaahit arba3ah ( four metahits ) wal khayr le uddaam ( and more to come )…”

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Yes we are dear Dr. Sara. And it is because of oppression. When one assumes something will work but when it fails, it becomes easy to start a new organization. By the way, there is no constitution and every body is free at any time to be a member and leave or to form or deform. It is a means of coming out from the jungle. It is a way of searching possible short ways. Unfortunately, all are searching the short ways being divided. And when they are divided, it becomes easy to be attacked and get lost in the way. All are using different ways while the required destiny is almost the same. No one is trying to call the other as the voice is almost getting so low to be heard by the other. Everybody is crying but no one is listening. Everybody is shouting but no one is echoeing. They are all in the black-box. I hope all will meet suddenly, reconcile and come out strong.

      tes

      • guest

        I hope for the best too, while fearing the worst may have not come yet. I dont know how the cat will be caged again.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Sarah,
      Yes, we are politically unstable. When citizens lack a platform or a mechanism for redress, and are pushed to the sidelines, they try to find a way to voice their concern. In the sixties, though patriotic fervor was at its highest, there was no platform for addressing regional or sectarian concerns due to the political situation imposed by the occupier. In the 70s, there appeared serious ambitions for power, it did it part of damage. Then followed the leftist ideology which suffocated everybody else, again it created further purges and fragmentation. The joint EPLF-TPLF assault of the ELF destroyed what was left and resulted in further fragmentation. After independence, Isaias’ hegemonic path alienated so many they had to resort to further fragmentation to assert their grievances–there was no state to accommodate of even to listen to social and political concern of the diverse segments. It also increased the fragmentation. To this day, in the absence of a state that accommodate every citizen, people tend to move further and further.

      The worst thing that happened to us is that an overwhelming number of Eritreans believed the PFDJ is the only party and the rest are eliminated. This was based on what they heard of partisan messages from the PFDJ. Not many wanted to even mention the existence of all these groups. They were underestimated because they do not wield any power that threatens the PFDJ which seems to say, “we will not take you seriously unless you are a military threat.”

      But as a people, we are not unstable, once we get rid of the PFDJ nightmare, I am sure we will find a formula that is accepted by all citizens and that formula is not being applied because it doesn’t accommodate hegemony, the only thing the PFDJ is interested in. Don’t despair.

  • Fnote Selam

    Dear Awatistas,

    I was wondering if you could help me with this another hypothesis that I have. We all know that AU (and OAU) hasn’t really lived up its promises. When it comes to Eritrea, the general agreement is that AU has been disastrous. I think, at least in part, that is because AU is a ‘weak’ organization (seems to get better, but still weak). Eritrea (and other smaller countries) would actually benefit from (and should work toward) a stronger AU. I would appreciate your input to this thought.

    Best,

    FS.

    • guest

      Do you mean in the struggle for independence era? If so, yes most african leaders didnt want to mess with haile sellassie and the wining and dining of Addis Ababa with exception of few countries. Somalia gave diplomatic immunity to the fighters leaders and issued to thefighters somali passports on their training mission or attending meetings around the world. The Libyan leadership openly condemned ethiopia as an occupational power and demanded the move of OAU out of Addis Ababa to other African country.Egyptian colleges and universities opened their doors to eritrean refugees in their persuit for higher education. Most sudanese governments were in support of eritrean cause and supported the gedli, one front or the other.but OAU in general, forget it……FAQISH SHY’E LA YU3TI.

      • guest

        FAQID*…….

        • guest

          by libyan leadership, i meant the young officers of september 1969 revolution that abolished the monarchy.i.e. colonel ghaddafi and his group, NOT king Idris sanousi.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi FS:
      The experts, AT will respond. But here is what I think about African Union.
      I do not want to sound like PFDJ/DIA and blast every organization, but AU and its precursor are/ were cluttered with dictators and naturally dictators are not for freedom, human dignity, for them, being president of a country is life long and generational employment. So we cannot expect the pantheons of dictators to be an advocate of liberty, which is what Eritreans were looking and paid for. Almost all of the outwardly imposing African leaders are the small men of the continent. IA insults AU and he presides over a country with one of the worst dictatorships.
      Looking forward Africans, need to create an other organization called AUDN (African Union For Democratic nations), only members who have accomplished certain level of civility towards their own people can join and nations can be kicked out if they fail to deliver certain minimum criterion over certain number of years. A Sudanese billioner awards a million dollar to an African leader who made improvement in civil society, this initiative can be expanded to create such organization.
      Think of it, rich continent always hunger stricken and locked on civil war. A country like Sudan cleans its own citizens, Darfur.
      The African leaders are fond of blaming the European colonization for this dysfunction almost like their favorite hobbies, absolving themselves from the crimes. The European colonization is history and its impact may still affect the configuration of countries, but it is not something that is not indelible. It is like a serial killers blaming his actions on the childhood abuse suffered under his parents, where is the personal responsibility.
      Without removing the dictators by making them examples and making sure that no dictator will woke this beautiful continent, its poor people will forever be in perpetual destitution.
      A stronger AU to my mind is a Union made of civilized leaders, making baby steps toward a civilized country, it will not be easy as some foreign interest will definitely trampled upon, but that is were tact, diplomacy, courage comes in to make the adversaries your alliances by convincing them that a vibrant, democratic African country is their friend and not their foe. With the Cold War over it is even easier to do so.
      With he current state of Affairs you can easily envision, Sudan splitting to at least 2 more countries, Somalia is still in taters for all intent and purposes, Eritrea will be failed state and many other African countries are prone to split and fail.
      Strong AU is one that is made up of civilized nation, natural riches will only go so far to lift people from poverty to realize their dreams, without the rule of law, it will only enrich the few dictator, creating generational wealth for them. Poverty and destitution are the lucrative business of the dictators at the helm and that is what must be tackled to create stronger AU

      • Nitricc

        i know you won’t admitted it but so are you agreeing with view point of PIA when it comes to OAU?
        you see, i am asking this to trap you so you know. no tricks here, straight up.
        i know you have a habit of running away when asked tough questions but i try anyway.

        • Semere Andom

          Nitriccoid:
          Yes, I agree with him, but that includes him. I also agree with him when he says the general leadership of ELF was dysfunctional , but he was part of it, all the crimes that was made by ELF he is also accountable,he was its member.
          Do not hesitate to ask if the contradiction does not sink

      • Fnote Selam

        Hi Sem,

        I kind of understand with your sentiment. To help me answer the questions tho, let me re-phrase my question. The making of strong AU is going to take a lot of work, one of which is articulating the need for one. From Eri’s perspective, could you argue why a strong AU would be beneficial or otherwise?

        Thanks,

        FS.

    • Nitricc

      FS, i see toothless OAU to get mandible-less. since they never has any tooth so, the next to go is the mandible.
      from own prediction Africa and the way i see it, Africa is entering a new battle ground with rest of the world. there was a very good investigative journalism by Aljezira titled the scramble for Africa, very informative report. the report showed how the world is turning to Africa. the more the westerners and the likes of china fight for Africa’s resources the more they will corrupt African leaders, the more the African leaders corrupted; the more they lose the sight of the greater good, the people. when a leader becomes less interested about his country and people; it is unthinkable to expect anything when he is sitting with others at OAU.
      if anyone wants to control the resources of Africa the must corrupt and weaken the leaders i.e. weaken OAU.

      • Fnote Selam

        HI Nitricc,

        So, do you think an AU with strong teeth would have advantaged Eritrea, like for example by putting pressure on Ethiopia regarding the border dispute with Eritrea?

        Thanks,

        FS.

        • Nitricc

          FS, most decently. if AU wasn’t a gathering of most corrupted greedy and criminal African leaders, yes could have stood up to Ethiopia and pressured to accept what they agreed upon. you can not agree and sign final and banding, turn around to demand dialogue. the sad part is as long as Eritrea refused to join the culture of Africa, i am afraid we will be on our own. the history of Africans for the first time they agreed on thing; one thing only; to sanction Eritrea. that alone it tells you everything you need to know about the monkeys. you will think they will pressure Ethiopia to accept the deal, no, they turn around and they did the unthinkable. the Eritrean government can be accused on many fronts for its short comings but when it comes on the border issue, they got right 100%.
          i can understand if the Ethiopians refused, i can understand of the corrupted Africans ignore the issue but for the life of me, i can never understand for some so-called Eritreans to ignore it as well.
          i will never get and i will never understand it. the funny part is when you have group of oppositions who opposes the truth, then they wonder why the majority is ignoring and rejecting them. at the end of the day, Eritrea will prevail as always; because our love to Eritrea exceeds the hate of the our enemies.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hello Nitricc,

            So your response brigs us to the next question. If a strong AU can potentially enforce its charters (including those related to borders which favors Eritrea), shouldn’t we be working towards that, i.e., make AU a strong institution instead of undermining it. We, of course, have to realize that it is a long process and requires a lot of patience, but it may be worth it. What do you think?

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Nitricc,

            If you are willing, I was wondering what your take is regarding the houses (very well built houses may I add) around Asmara that the government is demolishing?

            Thank you,

            FS

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear FS,

      And we all know that each country in Africa hasn’t lived really upto their promises. How can then we expect a result that does not exist within each country? Above all, we have countries lead by dictators like DIA who simply bark having an empty gallon.

      But, considering all the shortcomings of each country, AU in general has managed to exist as an organization and now is really working hard to voice collectively. I am very optimistic that if dictators like IA, Omer Al-Bashir, of Zimbabwe transformed into a democrtic governance system, AU will evolve. I am in general positive on AU but we need to be free from the perspective of PFDJ views on AU first to gauge its status.

      tes

  • Fnote Selam

    Thanks Awate for posting this. Very helpful.

    FS.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Awatayan,

    Sorry for putting a non relevant to the topic at hand but I feel some responsibility to put the following post for public awareness and thereby as Eritreans and Ethiopian readers here to voice for protecting our local and tradition products.

    ——-

    Those who might be busy and not able to finish the who readings, please sign your petition here

    Therefore, I call all concerned Eritreans to sign for this petition
    and in the comment section to put Eritrea also has a right to claim a
    right for this product.

    This is the petition form
    https://secure.avaaz.org/…/Francis_Gurry_CEO_WIPO_cancel_…/…
    ———————-

    Before going into the subject, just some questions

    Have you ever heard egyptians fishing from the Red Sea Eritrea and sell the fish in their local market as it is coming from nearby Red Sea Egypt?

    Have you ever heard fishermen from Yemen trying to reach Eritrean territory and harvet fish illegally?

    Have you ever heard camels from Eritrean being sold in the middle east markets?

    Have you ever heard a local or traditional product coming from Eritrea or Ethiopia with a protected sign, just like an intellectual property?

    I am quite sure everybody is aware on the 09 (PFDJ trading company) activity of the 1990s on COFFEE business. They buy from Ethiopian market and pack it as it is a product of Eritrea and export to the world market. http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/events/2011/gi-africa-2011/sentayhu_en.pdf

    Have a read please on what it mean to protect local and traditional products. Those from USA, the subject might be strange but it is an on-going trade dispute between US and EU and a major block from reaching the international Trade Agreements.

    Just a general introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union

    This kind of trade cheating is now ending by having a right to origin and tradition.

    ———–
    Today, my objective is to call you to join the petition group and sign against a Dutch company which is trying to use illegally Teff in the world market. Here it follows
    ——————

    A call for petition and for public awareness

    At this time, Eritrea might not be able to introduce a protecting strategy to its local and tradition food products. But soon a policy need to be introduced for protecting Geographical Indication products so that the owners of the product should be the sole property owners and beneficiers. In Europe and now at world level, protecting local and traditional product is of major concern in the world trade agreerments. I am studying my masters degree in this regard and I hope one day Eritrea to introduce such protocols and reach the world market through its geographical indicated products. Eritrea has a very promising potential in different varieties of food products which can be protected and marketed within thin norm such as fish product, meat products, crop products and different fruits and vegetables

    Within this context, Ethiopia has started to protect its product under PGI sich as coffee and now are heading to protect other crop products like teff. Though Ethiopia is a world known producer and consumer of teff, Eritrea also produces and consumes teff in different forms.

    Before, the origin of food product was not a big issue though in Europe it has a long history wihich dates back to 1890s (Paris agreement). Today, almost all local and traditional products originated from Europe are protected under PGI or AOP/PDO. And protecting the product benefits and protects the owner and thereby plays a great role in impactining positively local economy.

    Teff was not from Europe but today they are either able to produce or import. Once imported or produced they process and add value and thereby generate huge profits. And during this process, the original owners benefit almost nothing and are ignored. This was what was happening in the world market before and it will continue to happen unless the owners of such local and traditional products claim for their rights and develop a means to protect under the international norms.

    It is within this context that Ethiopia is suing a case against Dutch company to protect her right on teff. This case should not be left to Ethiopia alone. Because it is not only Ethiopia that owns this product, at least Eritrea also shares some cultural similarities on the cultivation, production, processing and consumption of Teff. Joining the petition therefore helps us to give our voice and to tell the world that Eritreans will also have a right to protect products that they claim it belongs them.

    For more information about PGI and PDO or TSG products, you can have a read on http://en.wikipedia.org/…/Geographical_indications_and_trad…

    Or you can also contact me if you need more information as I am particularly studying this subject for my masters degree

    Therefore, I call all concerned Eritreans to sign for this petition and in the comment section to put Eritrea also has a right to claim a right for this product.

    This is the petition form
    https://secure.avaaz.org/…/Francis_Gurry_CEO_WIPO_cancel_…/…

    tes

    • guest

      If it isn’t TAFF ADDI GEDDA, it is just……a grain.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Hi guest,

        If TAFF ADDI GEDDA is also a grain but if its origin is in Eritrea then we need to protect it as an Eritrean product. protection does not ask colour but its specificity and typicity.

        Teff before was just a grain but now it is a valuable and precious grain which can be transformed into a number of different products and lots of added value products thanks to processing technology.

    • dawit

      TES you wrote “I am quite sure everybody is aware on the 09 (PFDJ trading company) activity of the 1990s on COFFEE business. They buy from Ethiopian market and pack it as it is a product of Eritrea and export to the world market” This is complete lie, Eritrea never exported coffee in those years. You hate PFDJ so much you swear and lie, you may even claim that you were forced to work in packaging coffee warehouse in Keren!. I really don’t care about your blind hate against the country Eritrea, the people or their leaders PFDJ, but I hate you gut fabricating a lie about Eritrea.
      Huka, dawit

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        dawit,

        Don’t waste your energy to defend the corrupted 09 trade activity. I will not even get surprised when you say I am a lier if I tell you the black market activity going on today between PFDJ companies and SUdanese businessmen via a transit Tessenei. And yes I hate blindly the PFDJ trading system but it has nothing to do with my country. PFDJ and the country are different things for me, PFDJ being a regime who rules Eritrea brutaly and with all illegal systems originated in Eritrea and Eritrea as a country which is now a victim of PFDJ regime. And I don’t buy the equation of PFDJ = Eritrea formula of PFDJites likes you and no wonder if you associate what I say about PFDJ is meant for you is for the country as a whole. You are a blind cult follower. Redemption be upon you dawit.

        tes

        • dawit

          Those who first invented “Eritrea the No. 1 Coffee Exporter in Africa” in 1998 to start border war between Ethiopia and Eritrea were Super liars and those who repeat that same lies in 2015 are big liars. It is better to be Cult Follower than to be a big Liar, because there is redemption for cult followers, but there is non for liars, because they break God’s Commandment ‘Thaw Shall not Lie’!

          Happy 25th. Fenkil! anniversary to all Eritreans!

          dawit

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            The Two Great Commandments

            Our obedience to God’s commandments comes from our desire to show our love for Him, for our fellow human beings, and for ourselves. While Jesus Christ was on earth, a man asked him, “Which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus replied,

            “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets” (Matthew 22:36-40).

            Jesus Christ teaches us in these few lines that at the heart of all these “do’s and don’ts” is a focus on loving God and loving the people around us. As we think about the commandments listed below, it helps to consider how each of them relates to these two foundational commandments.

          • guest

            Dear Dawit…if your are referring to Leviticus 18:22 about breaking God’s Commandment ” THOU SHALT NOT LIE with mankind, as with woman kind: it is abomination ” it just means do not have sexual relations. Sedomyyah. WEMISLE TEBA3T ETISEKB, KEME MISLE ANST; ISME RUKUS WU’ITU. If refering to other chapter, please give the reference number and the exact verse. Thanks

          • dawit

            Dear guest,
            The issue of lying came when TES repeated lies that referred that Eritrea became Africa’s top coffee exporter in Africa, by stealing Ethiopian coffee which Woyane sold to Ethiopian people to support its border war and expulsion of Eritreans from Ethiopia by confiscating their homes, businesses etc.Instead of answering the charges TES try to deflect the question by raising biblical references. Now if you want to know what Bible verse refer to lying, I just Google the subject and a bunch of reference poped up. If you are interested here are some unfortunately it is not in Giez. I believe lying is the most serious crime, because it lie and envy that lead to war among humans.

            The Ten Commandments
            …15″You shall not steal. 16″You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 17″You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

            Cross References

            Matthew 19:18
            “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,

            Luke 3:14
            Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely–be content with your pay.”

            Exodus 23:1
            “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a guilty person by being a malicious witness.

            Exodus 23:7
            Have nothing to do with a false charge and do not put an innocent or honest person to death, for I will not acquit the guilty.

            Leviticus 19:11
            “‘Do not steal. “‘Do not lie. “‘Do not deceive one another.

            Leviticus 19:18
            “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

            Deuteronomy 5:20
            “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

            Proverbs 25:18
            Like a club or a sword or a sharp arrow is one who gives false testimony against a neighbor.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            hahaha,

            Did I write, “…repeated lies that referred that Eritrea became Africa’s top coffee exporter in Africa…” You are reading what is not in my lines but in your mind. Again, yes I am quite sure 09 was exporting via Massawa port a coffee labeled, “product of Eritrea”.

            For this, what I wrote was, “I am quite sure everybody is aware on the 09 (PFDJ trading company) activity of the 1990s on COFFEE business. They buy from Ethiopian market and pack it as it is a product of Eritrea and export to the world market.”

            Then, where is the word Africa? Why you are traumatized when TRUTH is told? DOn’t be afraid dawit, I am just telling what happened.

          • guest

            Still you didnt bring a single verse to what you said “thou shall not lie” . is there a verse that says that?
            Thanks.