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Negarit 49: Byzantine Dialogue ክትዕ በይዘንጣ حوار بيزنطي

Unedited notes for the Episode

Byzantine was the Eastern part of the Roman empire–the capital city that was later named Constantinople, and again renamed Istanbul.

1700 years ago, Byzantine was so preoccupied with theological debates, mainly about the nature of Jesus Christ. Does he have one nature of two, or three. As a result of the debates based on what the power of the day, priests were fired from churches, employees lost their jobs, properties, and were jailed, beaten or exiled. To control the madness, Emperor Constantine issued a proclamation banning such debates (just Like Isaias does).

But the madness went on: Are angels feminine of masculine, what is the size of Satan, so big no place contains him or so small that he can pass through the hole of a needle.

In the 15th century when the people were busy with their silly arguments, they were being invaded—Mohamed II of Turkey, Ottoman Empire, conquered the region and brought the debates to a halt.

So, the expression, Byzantine dialogue, is believed to have been coined at that time– about 1700 years ago.  Currently Eritreans have inherited the manners of the byzantine argument.

Religious identity has two parts

Contradiction of religious people condemning others to hell, selfishly so they can have heaven only for themselves.

I do not care about the secondary identity of people as long as they realize they share it  with others. And I talk about religious identity as a political Eritrean identity, not as unqualified religious identity and I do like to talk about the spiritual aspect of religion.

So much sloganeering about diversity but people want you to own a copy of their views, to forego your beliefs and be exactly like them.

Religions have gone through a lot of divisions, bloodshed, splintering, etc. They rarely settle and accept the status quo. I will talk about theology– religions or their doctrines. But religion is a cultural and historical reality that shapes our societies and it impacts our history. That is what I will discuss—the political, social, cultural and other developments of societies and how the societies were impacted by it. I do not quote  a scripture when debating history or culture which requires a rational and scientific approach. But religion is a belief and cannot be a tool of rationality in itself—it’s a dogma.

Eritreans are becoming too mean to each other based on antiquated rivalries. And a people weakened by such squabbles cannot have peace of mind let alone fight the injustice in Eritrea.

When people are free they express what is in their heart. So, the claim that we do not have religious and regional division in Eritrea is not true. The only difference is that in Eritrea people do not have the freedom to express themselves for fear of repercussions by the regime. Otherwise, what we see in the Diaspora comes from the Eritrean culture, not from the liberal free countries where we reside. And freedom requires awareness, education, and rule of law, otherwise it becomes a cause for instability and chaos.

I hope those who know better will join in this meaningful struggle but do not forget the PFDJ is still wreaking havoc in Eritrea.

We claim that unity is so important but it’s evading us because we are not so genuine in pursuing it, and we’re intolerant. Where can we find unity?

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  • Bahri

    Selam SJ,

    Your description of “ the 15th century when the people were busy with their silly
    arguments, they were being invaded—Mohamed II of Turkey, Ottoman
    Empire, conquered the region and brought the debates to a halt.” is more credible than Said’s description in one of his posts that Islam’s spread was strictly for trade purposes.

    One minor thing: I think you meant status quo instead of statuesque in one of your sentences. Statuesque is for a tall, beautiful woman known for her poise and grace. Sometimes when you use a spelling error software and you are in a hurry it happens– the wrong word is replaced unintentionally.

    • Saleh Johar

      Thanks Bahri,
      When you write so much it happens. Thank you for the correction–I will pay more attention to the intruding automatic spellchecker. This and another mistake I make is secrete for secret. I have been corrected so many times but it persists. I will be careful. Thank you.

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ሳልሕ፡

    ትምሀርቲ-ሓዘል ዘረባ። የቕንየልና!

    ትማሊ እዛ መልእኽትካ ኣብ ዝዘርጋሕካሉ ሰዓት፡ ኣነ ነዛ ትስዕብ ግጥመይ ምሳሐይ እናበላዕኩ ወዲኤያ። ኣብ ካልእ ዓምዲ ክገብራ መዲበዮ ዝነበርኩ፡ ምስዚ ዝበልካዮ ትኸይድ ስለዝመሰለኒ ክሳብ ዝሰምዓካ ኣጽኒሐያ። እንሃለት እምበኣር። መደረኻ ንግሆ እየ ዝሰምዖ፡ ድሕሪ ሕልሚ።
    እዛ ቢዛንጣዊ እትብል ቃል ክልቅሓ ፍቐደለይ።

    መትከል መትከል መትከል፡ ቢዛንጣዊ መትከል

    ኣብ መትከል ዘድህብ ኩሉ
    ይንበር ይደቅስ ምስ መትከሉ
    ኣብ ነቕ ዘይብል ከውሒ ተኺሉ
    ሰንከል ካይትብል ካይትትንከፈሉ
    ካይትዕንብብ ሓሳስዩ ወልዊሉ
    የቐምጣ ከምዘላታ ታ’መትከሉ
    መትከል ይብል ዘይበትከሉ
    ዝሳለማ ማዕተቡ መስቀሉ
    ሓደ ዘመን ብዝበላ፡ ተወዲኡ ኣኺሉ
    ይገብራ ጸልዩ ዘምጽኣ ዝተዓደለቶ ተማህሊሉ

    ይማጎት ኣዋህሊሉ
    መዝገብ ሒዙ ገናጺሉ
    መራሚሩ መን እንታይ ቢሉ
    ናይ ካልኦት ረጊጹ ናቱ ክብ-ኣቢሉ
    ይብል ካብ ዝበልኩማ ነቕ ካይትብሉ
    መታን ፍንክት ካይብል ካብታ መትከሉ ንባዕሉ
    ቀደም ዝበላዕኩሞ ሓምሊ ሕጂ’ውን ብልዑ ጊደበሉ
    ኣነ እንትርፊ ጥብሲ ኣይለክፍን ናተይ ጥራይ ኣብስሉ

    ዘረባ ክርፍስ፡ እዚ ኩሉ
    ኣነ ዝብሎ እበልጽ እንድኣሉ!
    ጽሓይ ኣይትርኣዩ፡ ኣብታ ዘለኹማ ኣጽልሉ
    ኣብ ጸልማት ከጥቅዕ፡ መዓልቲ ይብል ኣኺሉ
    ነቕ ኣይብል ኣይልወጥ ብቐሊሉ ንባዕሉ
    ይንበር ምስ ቢዛንጣዊ መትከሉ!
    የግዳስ እንተዝሓስበሉ!

    • Saleh Johar

      የቅብየለይ ሃይልዋ,
      እንታይሞ ፈረንሳ ርሕቅ ኢላትኒ እንድያ
      ኣብ ጥቃይ እንተትኽውንሲ ኣብ ካሊፎርንያ
      ደበኽ ምበልኩኻ ነረ ብቁልጡፍ ብጉያ
      እታ ምሳሕካ እንታይ ምኻና ምእንቲ ክርእያ
      ግን ክሓተካ: ስጋ ብዕራይ ዶ ናይ ፈርስ’ያ?

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ሳልሕ፡

        ኣንታ ሳልሕ ዘረባ’ዶ ከይዱካ 🙂 🙂 🙂
        መውስቦ ከተስእነኒ ፈረስ በሊዑ እናበልካ
        ብዓንተቦ ወለድኩ እንቛዕ እኳ
        ኣነ ፈረስ ዝበልዕ፡ ንዓኻ ካፕሬቶ መታን ክገድፈልካ

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Saleh and all,
    Video talk number 49 can be rated as a purposefully crafted lesson in socio-cultural pedagogy that shrewdly combines substance with communicative skill. It is a visit to a diverse and saturated societal set up that hamper forward looking ideas from breaking barriers to resolution of issues related to discourses the evolvement of a nation require.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Ismail,
      Thank you. I try to make it provocative so that people will be curious and study issues that interest them. Mine is just providing a sort of bullet points to arouse curiosity without boring the listener. Please provide me with suggestions and feedback to improve the content and delivery. Thank you