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Berhane Becomes the First Casualty of the Jeddah Agreement

This morning, former minister Berhane Abrehe, who authored two books and publicly challenged Isaias Afwerki,  warning him to avoid signing any national agreements before consulting the Eritrean parliament, was arrested in Asmara. His wife has been in jail for almost a year.

The arrest was expected since many observers thought it was imminent. His arrest was timed with the arrival of Isaias from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, after signing a yet-unknown agreement with the Ethiopian prime minister.

The signing ceremony was concluded under the auspices of King Salman Bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia.

Over the last three weeks, while many Eritreans hoped Berhane’s move would galvanize Eritreans, others saw it as a futile grandstanding in the face of Isaias’ expected wrath.

Abraham, Isaias’ son

Last week Isaias took his son Abraham to the border opening ceremony at Zalaambess, one of the bloodiest scenes during the last war between Ethiopia and Eritrea that ended in 2000. Abraham attended the ceremony in the company of the Eritrean delegation which included ministers and other senior officials. On Sunday, Abraham was also present at the Jeddah ceremony accompanying his father, though he has no formal position in the Eritrean government.

Eritrea and Ethiopia are neither members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (ICO) nor the Arab League (AL) and it’s not known in what capacity the Saudi monarch assumed the responsibility of hosting the signing of the agreement in which he invited António Guterres, the UN Secretary-General,  Moussa Faki, the Secretary of the African Union, and other dignitaries. Paul Kagame, the current chair of the African Union (AU) was not present at the signing ceremony.  In December 2000, when Eritrea signed the Algiers peace agreement in Algeria, Abdulaziz Bouteflika was the chair of the African Union.

Both Eritrea and Ethiopia belong to the African Union and Ethiopia is a founding member of Organization of African Union, the forerunner of the Organization of African Unity (OAU) which was founded in 1963

Historically, African countries pushed back any meddling in African affairs by other countries, and many diplomats are wondering why Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are meddling in inter-African affairs while the AU and the UN are limited to an observer role.

Saudi-Emirate Positioning

Meanwhile, the Saudi monarch had taken serious steps to limit the role of his son Mohammed Bin Salman, who almost made his father, the king, irrelevant. The push by prominent Saudis is believed to have come due to their disapproval of the regional politics in which Saudi Arabia is perceived as a junior partner to the United Arab Emirates, in the coalition that Saudi Arabia assembled to fight what it considers an Iranian influence in Yemen.

The Saudi establishment has convinced the monarch to curtail the activities of his son and assume full control of the kingdom’s affairs. His son, the Saudi Arabian heir apparent, is perceived to be playing a junior role in the affairs of the Gulf and Horn of Africa under Mohammed Bin Zayed, the UAE heir apparent. Many Saudis believe the perception undermines the Saudi leadership and prestige

Mohammed Bin Zaid, the UAE heir apparent, did not attend the Jeddah ceremony; his brother, Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the foreign minister, attended the ceremony representing the UAE.

In what seemed to be an assertion of leadership, On Sunday, the Saudi King awarded Isaias Afwerki and Abiy Ahmed with The Order of King Abdulaziz. Two months ago, Mohammed Bin Zaid had awarded Isaias and Abiy Ahmed with the Order of Zayed, the highest civil honor in the UAE.

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  • bardavidi

    Hi………….How is it that the Jeddah agreement and the arrest of former Finance Minister who was relieved of his duties way before that connected ?
    Since he was not on record in opposing or showing any support for the agreement, we might just be connecting Dots that do not exist to make a Straight line…………Selah

  • bardavidi

    [Begin your comments with a salutation; it’s the rule here//Moderator]
    Because……. you are not politically Correct as long as the Forum is concerned. Censorship is valid as long as you are not in Concert with the opinion of the Staff..?……If you see how many of Mine are thrown out….You will Scracth your head and would not feel a Sting……..Welcome to Awate………….Selah……

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    My point is how quickly she made a mind and was blaming someone else and now she shifted to Egypt.

    Why Egypt didn’t come as culprit then?

    Berhe

  • Hayat Adem

    hi hope,
    what party? why?
    please, be more interested in the discussion and less so in the discussant.

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate why many of my answer are not posted ??

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam Aman,

    As far as the HERO is acting on the stage, all the opposition should resign. Today, you have appeared with a new face. I think this is not from the traits of a hero, changing a colour is from the traits of cowards only.

  • David Samson

    Selam Aman,
    No, it is not incoherent. I always read the comments and really enjoy them. It is not the content of the message but rather the layout— It is not easy on the eye.

  • Hope

    Selam Ghirmay.
    I cherish and admire your wishes !
    God bless your heart.

    Hope you were not in the Camp,which clearly declared to BREAK UP THE BACKBONE OF Eritrea/PFDJ,the Eritrean Tigrinya Speakers/Highlanders and Christians .
    Hope we don’t have a selective or short memory issue!

    If the message is :

    “ Let us FORGIVE and FORGET “ and move on and live for today and tomorrow in harmony and in Peace by learning from our past mistakes,I second U!

    Zemene Selamin Erkin Fikrin Mii’balen yigberelna!

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    As it happens, Debretsion has given extensive interview ranging from this to this. Point being, Ethiopia seems to have two leaders Debretsion the acerbic and Abiy the _______. Just a thought.

    • Mez

      Dear Paulos,

      “…Ethiopia seems to have two leaders…”

      This is what one may call democracy in the making, my friend.

      Thanks

      • Paulos

        Selam Mez,

        I agree but again, Debretsion doesn’t even hold any Ministerial portfolio but he addresses all the pressing national issues including GERD, peace and Rule of Law consistent with the Constitution. He doesn’t even mention Abiy not of course out of malicious intent but could be lack of relevance for all practical purposes.

        • Kaddis

          Hi Gash Paulos,
          I didn’t read Debretsi; but just to indicate here, the regional states form or build the federal government. So he is way powerful than any executive positions. Do you know it’s been at least 8 years since regional states refused to be audited by the federal government. Arguing the fed is only there to ensure fair distribution based on agreed formula. They claimed they have their auditors and court if found at fault. So the practice of devolution grew over time. Doesn’t mean it’s perfect and risky with all the fire power they have

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            It is always joy to read your inputs of a substance for you have a clear grasp of events up-close when the rest of us are limited to a Bird’s eye view if you will. That said, I would love to read your thoughts about the reason behind the name change of OPDO and how will the the resurgence of the diaspora opposition parties impact the upcoming national election. Much obliged.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kaddis,

            Thank you for the feedback about the practice of “devolution” and the power of the periphery “states” as oppose to the power of the “central government” of the Ethiopian Federal Government.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            U believe kaddis ? U know what u talking about? U talking about a state that receives morethan 1/2 of its yearly budget from federal gov.

      • Nitricc

        Hey MZ; correction; there are three governments in todays confused Ethiopia.
        1) the Abiy’s toothless government!
        2) The animal Qerro government!
        3) The TPLF thugs, Government!
        Ethiopians, god help you. One thing is for sure, Ethiopia got rid of one ethic domination, simply to replace with the other. Although with one major difference; TPLF at least didn’t slaughtered innocent people. Be carful what you wish as the saying goes. One major mistake TPLF thugs made is, investing their looted money in Addis. Oromo will take on the blink of eye. they are backwards.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Paulos,

      Let me try the fill in: How about “Debretsion the acerbic and Abiy the Charade”.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam paulos
      Ur thought is pathetic as usual, he is talking about “gerd”, just because he used to be the head of the project on the timing of to reach a final decision how to fill the dem. Not everything is conspiracy.

      • David Samson

        Selam Teddy,
        A question for you: do you know or believe that the Engineer committed suicide, or something—–?

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam paulos
          What is that u wanna know?
          Do u think each of eprdf coalitions r in fight?

          • David Samson

            Selam Teddy,

            As you have masters on conspiracy theories, and since there are many conspiracies on the causes of Engineer flying around, I would like to hear from the expert.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam david s
            From day one , i knew u r liar, u tplf r the one masters of conspiracy because of paranoia.
            For ur information, i believe he killed himself . why,
            If tplf did it, there is no way the 3A gov will say he killed himself.
            If the gov killed him, why would they do that? They simply can replace him to other person and can make him shut up easily.

          • David Samson

            Selam Teddy,
            Why one does need driving to Meskel Adebabay to commit a suicide? Could have done it somewhere near his home?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam david s
            I know if he killed himself at home , u guys will say , why one does need to drive from gerd location all the way to his home? That is nonsense argument.
            Not everyone before him commit suicide at home.
            What is ur reason he killed by somebody else?

          • David Samson

            Selam Teddy,
            He was not in Gerd at the time of his death, so could not have chosen it. It is weird some one chooses to commit suicide in down town in the morning.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam david s
            Not so weird, he was on his way to have a press conference about the situation of the gerd and the place is inside car coffee service place and it is common in addis to stop ur car there for coffee or tea.

          • Amde

            Selam David Samson,

            Suicide ያለ ሻይ ወይ ቡና አያምርም።

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Do u think or believe he committed suicide? If not by whom he killed and why?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            I don’t believe he committed suicide.

            Obviously I don’t know who. But usually if you follow the money it explains many things. In this case, there is unbelievable Metec money, so I would be least surprised if it finally turns out to be someone affiliated with Metec or one of its many subcontractors.

            Nothing else makes sense.

            That’s my theory – better yet – uninformed conjecture.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Follow up, why u think the 3A gov investigation said he committed suicide? To safeguard the metec people or whoever is the killers? What is that the gov will gain by hiding the truth? To protect the corrupted or what? If it was the previous eprdf, u can say the metec peoples r the one movers and shakers of the previous gov. but why would 3A gov protect them?
            Really wanna know ur views on this.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            You know my opinion is just as good as any other guy on the street.

            I don’t know why they say he committed suicide. He could have indeed committed suicide, but it is just bizarre he would do so after getting dressed for work, leaving his home, and at a public place with the engine running. It is so ludicrous it just raises the kind of suspicions they theoretically wanted to put to rest. It would have been better to say it is inconclusive etc ወዘተረፈ…

            If he was killed, and they know for sure, then the only reason they would hide it is if it is politically difficult to pursue. Otherwise the 3A regime would actually gain popularity for solving the case and pursuing the guilty.

            Metec – a company that has never undertaken anything remotely this size – took over the electromechanical works for one of the planet’s largest civil engineering work. The civil construction was done by Salini, a suitably experienced civil engineering company. Metec should have never undertaken the electromechanical works for this particular project. The idea of skill transfer and raising national capability is laudable, but Ethiopia always has at least three hydroelectric dams in various stages of construction and they should have started with the smaller ones.

            Abiy says the project is not going as it should because of poor project management. Practically it implies new key decisions about the project will be made – who does what, who gets paid what, who will not be paid anymore etc… by people other than the ones that had been making them up to that point. Very shortly the lead project manager is found dead.

            Follow the money.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Let me tell u what i know, he came home very drunk on his last night before he found dead, he was the manager of the entire project which means with out his approval there is no money transfer. he was a worshipper of meles and eprdf in general. It is weird for tplf to cry this much for someone who is not tigraian.
            And i don’t see the reason why 3A gov want to hide the truth of the investigation, specially after the meteic guys have been fired from there position.
            In conclusion i think, may be he was part of the corruption himself but let us just wait until what police has to say why he committed suicide, maybe than we will have clearer pic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            I suppose they will bring him to life and ask him why he did it.

            What the police job is to investigate and find out how he died. But they already know how and they told you already he committed sucide. Their job is done, unless someone from above said, go back investigate again.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Nobody said go back investigate again.
            The police themselves told the press and ethiopian people, they r investigating why he committed suicide and they also said we let the people know the findings of the investigation after they done.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde
            There is a very good documentary published by Fana TV on you tube, dated 5 Sept 2018. The title is”70 ቢሊየን ብር የወጣበት የታላቁ የህዳሴ ግድብ ግንባታ የወጪውን ያህል ተጉዟልን?” In case you haven’t seen it.

          • Kaddis

            Abrehet dear,
            Tebareki. Most people prefer to got carried away with their own assumption than a simple search. We knew GERD will be our mess as Aswan was. Even on suicide, a simple Google about ‘public suicides or office space suicide could bring some empathy. Menyaregal

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Kadis,
            I think it is human nature. Conspiracy theories are more interesting than straight forward explanation.

          • Amde

            Selam Abrehet,

            I have not seen it but I heard about it. Perhaps weekend watching. In my mind I sort of dismissed it as being part of the political game of Abiy’s side rallying public opinion to muscle out the ones that had been in charge. There was a rather publicized parliamentary hearing about how much money Metec could not account for at about the same time.

            I had been kind of following the status of the dam from other sources, and it was obvious they had made excellent progress on the civil works but stuck on the electromechanical side. And it was obvious who was responsible for that. There was general bitterness about how the GERD was being used to funnel the public’s money (civil servants “voluntarily” but not voluntarily having had to contribute a month of their pay and so no) to cronies connected to the high and mighty. And once a project such as this is allowed to be a gravy train, it means there will be many whose interests are aligned with the project never being completed but living on as a cash cow for as long as possible.

            I think Meles’ vision was for GERD to be a political dam, i.e. one that creates a status quo which will force a change in the conversation and the relationship among the Nile states. Ttey should have stuck to that core idea and rushed to get it completed as quickly as possible. And just use experienced firms to get it done.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            I just read NYT about the political crises in Ethiopia. When issues made to the front page of NYT, it is really worrisome. I have criticized Abiy’s government for lifting the state of emergency immaturely before the country is stabilized and releasing prisoners without due process. Now sending thousands of people to prisons and military camps after many innocent people are killed by the uncontrolled mobs, seems back to square one. A government who criticized its predecessors for sending to prison for destabilizing agents for political reasons now will resort to the same actions. I can only wish for Ethiopians peace and tranquility in the days ahead.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Except the tplfist every awatist know what u think of ethiopia.
            thank u but no thank u .

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            I believe things will get worse before they get better. This is what happens when legitimate opposition and media are silenced and people find the only outlet is the mob. I doubt very much we would be here if the back to back meto-be-meto elections haven’t happened. TPLF had a generation’s worth of time to resolve many of these issues through a political process, but they chose to go down a path of progressive repression and inter-ethnic conflict, and regressive democratization. We are now number one in the world for the sheer number of internally displaced people. I am sure TPLF will congratulate themselves on a job well done since it is a logical outcome of the system that was imposed by them.

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            I hope that in the future ethiopians will learn the whole truth. For the time being some high officials in the previous government may have found the easiest way to bury the mega fraud in billions of poor ethiopian people’s money, by taking him out. It was said that there was a huge amount of money mismanaged with the signature of different government officials, without his knowledge or the authorization by the deceased. If he managed to testify, it is possible some official in key places would have been exposed.

            The other possibility could be as you said that the government indeed knows the truth, nevertheless, it has chosen to cover up the findings, because it does not want to aggravate the present political instability of the country.

            Lastly, if he committed suicide as said by the police, their conclusion does not seem to be supported by any convincing proof. If the gerd is over time by two years, is it a reason to commit suicide? I do not think so. After all, ethiopia is a third world country, and he knew very well about the sugar factories and metec’s gross failures and delays. Moreover, he was successful in constructing other dams, and after all, the gerd was almost 70% complete that could start functioning at least partially in months, if they allowed him to do his job. In addition, was he suicidal because he suffered from major chronic depression? This is simply out of the question. An achiever up to that time cannot be suffering from depression that put his life in danger.

            In my opinion, he had no reason to commit suicide. As you said his case should have been left open as pending for further investigation. I hope ethiopians will demand in the future for the case to be opened again so that justice is done.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Amde,
            METEC is Tplf. They were not implicated in the high profile bombs etc. Why would they kill for money. The corruption and delay was reported on the parliament. What and from whom to hide. The clueless society or Abiy? The equally corrupted opdo?.
            If you have the energy follow the violence, the urge to mess Addis or the sudden scientists breakthrough follow the agreement of Sudan egyEg and Ethiopia agreement to fill the dam 4 -7 years.
            Everything is related to the three years just struggle and the desperate situation we are and hope to go out from

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kaddis; what do you think the press conference of the five Oromo political organization and their five points of contentions? I thought they were irresponsible and insecure. They got the power and they shall use it to good not for revenge.

          • Amde

            Selam kaddis,

            I am sorry but it is not completely clear what you are saying.

            You are saying Metec is TPLF and TPLF have no motive to do it. That is fair and I agree with that argument.

            But I am just saying it is likely people within Metec or one of its subcontractors might be assumed to have reasonable financial motive. The suicide argument is not credible to me. The “egypt did it” is not credible to me either.

            I don’t understand your comment about the violence and Addis issues. To me, if there is indeed breakthrough to fill the dam in 4-7 years then that absolves Egypt or Abiy, although the project has to be completed first

            It would have been great for him to see his project come to completion.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde,

            Speaking of conjectures, what is the over/under that ia will manufacture attack by Houthi and send eritrean soldiers to yemen?

            Hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            Do you think he needs to manufacture anything? The first post I made here when the UAE thing first popped up was my conjecture that UAE paid Isayyas to close the Badme chapter so Eritrean soldiers can be made available for the Yemen conflict.

            Since then all the wheeling and dealing gives me the smell of both Ethiopia and Eritrea having been inducted into a GCCish military role. We dont have much in terms of money and equipment but we have trained soldiers galore.

            Good to be paranoid.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde,

            Given ia’s contempt for eritreans, he wouldn’t need to manufacture, but lately the tide is clearly against him, so won’t be surprised if he would.

            Hm

          • David Samson

            Selam Amde,

            Imagine the following scenario:

            Eritrean or Ethiopian troops are captured by the Yemenis. The Houthi will use the captured for maximum publicity and propaganda before they cut their off heads in front of a camera – reminiscent of how the ISIS used the infidels for.
            How does PMAA explain and sell it to Ethiopian public?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Do they pledge to send army to the Houthi/Sunni conflict in Yemen? Why do you bring such scenario?

          • David Samson

            Selam Emma,
            It all started by halafi mengedi.
            It is pure speculation but conceivable. It is IF CONDITION.
            The Saudis and Dubais are sucked in a war and do not have ground troops.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            I can only say God forbid, brother.

          • Amde

            Selam David,

            God forbid that happens – I don’t know how he can. He might say they were on peace keeping mission to protect የመናዊ ወንድሞቻችን. “Peacekeeping” is a useful amorphous word.

            I see nothing good coming from being involved with the travesty on the poor Yemen people but i am afraid we might be sucked in. If we are lucky we will be just left with “securing the western shores of the Red Sea” and that would be plenty. That is in line with what we have seen so far – i.e. Abiy made defacto manager of the Horn.

            Amde

          • Kaddis

            Selam Amde,
            It’s one heartbreaking story.
            Melkam Demera and Meskel if you celebrate.

          • Amde

            Thank you Kaddis,

            I did celebrate Mesqel in Connecticut this past weekend visiting friends. For the first time I think they also had Eritreans celebrate with the community with Eritrean flag also adorning the ceremonies. That was neat to see. Unless I am mistaken, they also had represbtatives from the protestant faiths also make an “official” presence with speeches and everything. Both Eritreans and non-Ortodox showed up for previous ones (great food and camaraderie) but I think this was the first time I had seen them invited as official participants.

            Very nice to see.
            Hope you enjoy your Mesqel.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Kaddis,

            It is too early to call METEC’s failure a “corruption.” There is money that is not accounted for and a project progressing slower than initial estimate. Those are the only facts at this time.

            No project of this magnitude in the world ever was finished on an initial cost estimate and in the time promised. Even smaller projects by countries with experiences on similar projects hardly finish according to plan.

            Beside the known variables, it is common for new discoveries to complicate big projects. There are also price changes, exchange rate changes, and/or delay in delivery causing chain reaction of payment for labor that never took place.

            Most big projects are routinely affected by optimism bias (we will finish it quicker and cheaper) the world over. We may not rule out petty corruption here and there, but to clearly understand what really happened to the money and hopefully to Eng. Simegnew too, a complete public audit is necessary.

          • Admassie

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Well said.
            There are many factors that attribute to a delay and price escalation of a simple project, let alone this magnitude of GERD, in a poor country like ours. To attribute things to mere corruption is simplistic. Projects could be state funded or that of private citizens, but in all, the risk of delay and budget hike is eminent, sometimes to the extent of project collapse.

            Hiber Sugar, Addis Prefab, Access Real Estate, to name a few, projects by private citizens, are struggling to survive let alone to finish their intended projects.

            A simple design project of a four storey building funded by USAID and assisted by a well established US Architectural consultant, took 13 months to finish, but late by 8 months from its 5 months schedule.

            There are a lot of state and private projects still struggling to see its day of completion.

            The attribute is:
            1.To the incomptence of us, the citizens.
            – luck of a very detailed work and time schedule from inception to completion.
            – luck of full commitment to planned schedule and work.
            – indecisiveness in critical decisions and fear of accountability
            – luck of skill and experience
            – succumbing to pressure
            – luck of seeing a whole picture of an effect
            – luck of being persistent in doing things
            – luck of being responsible and accontable
            – ወዘተ

            2. We are in a country where policies and implementations are subjected to changes in now and then.

            3.The pressure of getting out of this damn poverty and being over ambitious in bringing succes.

            4. Of course the culture of corruption, whether petty or grand.

            5.ወዘ ተረፈ

            But this does not mean all delay and cost escalation are only the result of bad attributes. As you said, there are also forced ones resulted from unforeseen actions happened locally and globally.

            In any way, any effect happens on a chain of works in a progect has chain reactions to the life of a project and that effect is not necessarily attributed to only one factor.

            Admassie A

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Admassie,

            It is a long story, but my favorite waste happened in the city I live in not long ago. It went like this:

            In 1995, our authorities allotted $250 million for a seismic retrofit of a bridge believed to have been damaged during a major earthquake we had in 1989. The bridge connects San Francisco with Oakland and it is divided into two, eastern and western spans, because there is an island (Treasure Island) in between.

            However, in the preliminary study, the engineers found out that the damage to the eastern span was so serious they recommended a replacement instead, and after a little head scratching a cost of $2.285 billion was approved and three years to completion was promised.

            Accountants, managers, and contractors were hired, design of the bridge was sent to the two mayors of the two cities, and a copy was also sent to the administrator of Treasure Island.

            The mayor of Oakland rejected the design because it looked ugly, the mayor of San Francisco rejected it because he was trying to save a piece of property he had in mind for a casino…, and the Island boss rejected it because a house reserved as memorial for one famous admiral would be demolished unless they move the bridge several feet away from its intended location.

            A serious dispute ensued between all involved and two years and $2 billion more later, the project was approved one more time. During the two years of dispute, all the accountants, managers, and contractors were getting paid from the budget.

            To make matters worse, 9/11 happened and insurance involving big buildings and similar projects skyrocketed. Chinese economy was growing so fast in those years, demand for steel was growing faster than supply and the price for it kept increasing accordingly.

            Finally, and after redoing some poor quality Chinese welding and other corrections later, the project took 10+ years instead of 3 and $6.77 billion instead of $2.285 and voila, a bridge with two legs instead of four!

            PS:
            The bridge construction officially started in 2002 and completed in 2013.

            Demolition and removal of the old bridge was still going on until a few weeks ago.

          • Admassie

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Thank you for your illustration that tells that the issue is not unique to Ethiopia. I have a similar narration about a long pedestrian bridge over a river between Germany and France a decade ago.

            Me and around 800 fellow Ethiopians have lost our fortune to a very feasible housing and manufacturing project which failed at its fruition level. One unexpected policy insertion of our government (not even related to our project) combined with other minor factors, has created a chain effect and brought a 120 million Birr project to a total failure. A manufacturing complex with its uninstalled machinery has gone to a foreclosure.

            People, some of them who were laboring in Arab countries and hoping to secure an asset, lost badly. We learnt that there was some money embezzlement, which is not unexpected, but the crushing hammer was the one policy, which the board and the management were not expecting coming.

             We shouted “the board and the management have stolen our money!” Some sued the manager and the firm. But the crisis could not be averted forever!

            Admassie A.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Amde,
            I also don’t think Simegnew’s death can be attributed to a sucide.There can only be one fundamental circumstance that can force us rule it sucide: a convincing evidence, beyond doubts, that it was indeed a sucide. Short of that, claiming it was a sucide makes it even more susptible. You don’t rule it a sucide because you fail to come up with anything else.
            The other thing that really bothered me because it came from you (I am never bothered when I hear it from others) is that you really thought his death could have had something to do with the money and nothing with the geopolitical motives.
            How convinient!
            In today’s Ethiopia, it seems that obvious considerations are subordinated to political calculations. it bothers me a bit that even lead thinkers are not seeking universal higher grounds of reason and purpose.

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            Great to hear back from you.

            I did consider the geo-politics, which I assume you mean to be an act carried out by Egypt to stall the project.

            In any case, I think it highly unlikely a geopolitical player will believe they can stop such a project by killing one person, however important he is. The innovative aspect of this project is simply political – i.e. the political will of the Ethiopian government to do what it takes to build this politically controversial dam. It is a large project but there are no new technical grounds being broken. Although it is still a huge loss, there can’t possibly be anything that Engineer Simegnew brings that cannot be continued by another project leader – and as you know his deputy was given his spot.

            Now then, the government has run out of money and that would delay the project all by itself. We don’t know the position of our new overlords KSA and UAE on the dam. Solidarity with Egypt might be a reason for them to be against it. But my guess is the dam allows them to address their population’s food needs and make a lot of money through irrigation in Sudan which GERD makes feasible. So I would say at best they are indifferent.

            In any case Ethiopian Electric power and METEC authorities are on record saying that the project is stalled primarily due to METEC being behind on the electromechanical side, that it has delivered about 30ish percent of the work and received 50ish percent of payments, and significant portions of this payment cannot be accounted for. That is the reality.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Amde,
            1) 50% of the money under Metec means 12.5 billion. The amount that matches 30% of work is 8.5 billion. The difference is 4 billion. Under Metec, there are several subcontractors. Let alone in such a uniquely huge project that is more of a political drive than economic, like you alluded to, delay and going over budget are the main problems characterizing all projects in poor countries.
            2) It is reasonable to assume, money dispatch for work done is decided at so many different levels and many personalities and institutions, including independent verifying consultants, are involved. So, whatever financial dirt Simegnew might know, there is more likely than not there are others still out there who are in the know.
            3) What worldly logic is there that if there is a murder and there is money corruption, the default assumption is to correlate them. Simegnew is not an ordinary guy. Any foul on him is a foul on the project.
            4) The silliest reason to give would be the police have an interest in covering up its findings. I am sure the government will count it as a political treasure if the killing could be linked to Metec officials. If PM Abiy couldn’t refrain himself from criticising Metec for the delay and wrong design publicly, to think the police would shy away from availing its true discovries would beg for explanation. And what political goal could be served by protecting Metec criminals from a murder crime.
            5) If the police have any motive of covering up the truth of the murder for a political end, it has to be a motive bigger than covering for criminals who murder a national hero just to bury financial crimes of others. Not a chance!
            ———-
            a) Egypt was desperate to abort or at least delay the project.
            b) Egypt has many paid agents that operate in Ethiopia for money, e.g. IA, Jawar, OLF, G-7 are in their payroll.
            c) Arab League recently declared any harm on Egypt’s water is an harm on Egypt and therefore on all Arabs.
            d) If the top manager of the GERD is neutralized, it is obvious that the much needed delay or pause can be effectively effected, setting the stage for down-adjustments.
            e) It is highly likely, among others, the recent intensive activities of Ethiopia/Eritrea Vs KSA/UAE were upped without the GERD being part of the package.
            f) i would be surprised if the recent so sudden breakthrough of the three countries agreeing over the Gerd has nothing to do with all the above.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Hayat,
            Absolutely true, about point “2)
            I know about Gibe 1, Sore, and other dam site construction, the project manager doesn’t have much responsibility than payroll in terms of finance, everything else is provided by a different body, in the olden days, it used to involve mining minister for digging etc, civil work different department in EELP…, and turbine/electrical work another department in EELP (Ethiopian Electric Light…)

            I notice with the current politics people concentrate on the MONEY than life. Missing money intends to bring so much emotion in people than …
            Thanks,
            RA
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          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi All,
            Sorry can’t do the below finding in Tigrigna, but i hope for most of you to understand. It’s called

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            RA

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            Well argued as usual.

            1. Clarification: the 50% pay for 30% work is for the parts of the project contracted out to Metec. Electromechanical work, deforestation etc… Not for the whole project. The source are the officials interviewed on Fana and Walta.

            2. “So, whatever financial dirt Simegnew might know, there is more likely than not there are others still out there who are in the know. ” Agreed. But perhaps they are in a position to so something to hide it whereas he is not.

            3. “What worldly logic is there that if there is a murder and there is money corruption, the default assumption is to correlate them. ” Are you kidding? It is admittedly a conjecture on my part and I did say so. But murders to hide illicitly gained money is almost murder 101. I feel like your points 2 and 3 are making my argument for me.

            4. ” The silliest reason to give would be the police have an interest in covering up its findings. I am sure the government will count it as a political treasure if the killing could be linked to Metec officials. ” I am sure this is the first time in the world a police investigation has come up with ludicrous explanations for deaths. Like the stories of police determining suicide from “multiple gunshot wounds” The police an an independent arbiter of crimes would be a luxury. So let me flip the question to you: Does this mean you are satisfied the police report if suicide is accurate? If your argument is “police hiding their finding is silly” then that would mean you are convinced they are not hiding anything and hence their verdict of suicide is unimpeachable.

            5. Ummm… please see number 4.

            I am not saying your “Egypt did it” hypothesis is wrong. It just needs many moving part. If the thought is that Abiy himself is an Egypt engineered coup, well I don’t know either way. But I prefer Occam’s razor.

            Egypt cannot realistically use military means. And so far it could not do something against financing the project. Egypt’s interest is best served by doing something to change the political will of the Ethiopian government. We may still find that to be the case – only time will tell. However, an agreement on a filling schedules if 5 – 7 years is an indication to me that Egypt has effectively thrown in the towel. That is a relatively short filling period. The dam will still have to be completed before the filling schedule means anything, and Ethiopian government finances are a mess now.

            So, if we are taking corruption of the plate, your conjecture is that it is suicide or that Egypt did it?

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            The Grt Amde,
            1 and 2 are to mean many of the Gerd officials that were/are part of the upper management must know something if indeed any money foul could be implicated to have caused his death. They are not tight lipped on the inefficiency of the Metec. And sure, they will say something about the murder as well. Feres zifelTo neger enteznebros mitezarebe neyru/ If a horse had anything it knew, it would definitely say it.
            You seem to be assuming only the “killers” are alive with the story while you hinted those officials who were next in line are already in place running the project after his deparature, same officials who apparently were featured in the documentary, according to you, criticizing Metec’s performance. Id they don’t hold back on the mismanagement, I am sure they are not expected to hold back on the “money-murder” if they have any thing they know. And theyvwould know if any.
            On 4: No, I tend not to beleive the police’s version not because I deny the mathematical possibility of a sucide case but 1) I do beleive that a person of his status would left a clearing note of closure to dictate the real story and to avoid being edited after the fact 2) there had to be many preexisting signs of distress and spoken frustrations (recorded and observed) to speak of leading to such an action of finality on one’s life 3) the place and time his body was found (Meskel Square/ morning) is believed to be very crowded and at least hundreds of people could have heard a gun shot from a close range. It is not plausible a self killer would use a silencer and much more unlikely a victim would shot himself behind his ears.
            NOW ASK THE BIG QUESTION: What would be the motive of the government/police to come out with such a clumsy and inconclusive report on an important murder of such level; why is the government down playing the death of Simegnew the person; why do PM Abiy and Dbrsion read from different notes (the former leas interested in Simegbew while the latter lionizing him as national Aarbegna?????
            It is not really that important to discuss whether Egypt can succeed in sabotaging the project by neutralizing theblead manager or whether it is too late for such a thing or so. It is rather very important to be reminded of the fact that Egypt and her friends would do what they can even if some of their actions look so desperate and too little and too late.
            Egypt has been asking for a 6month pause of the work to give a chance to iron out some of the basic differences. I think the dam is technically in such a situation right now. Ethiopians should admit that they can’t even honor their dam hero in unison let alone proceed with the kind of determination needed to complete such as a huge dam. I was told the morale of the workers at the site is very down right nowbthat some of them are asking for a pay raise to report to work. Ethiopians are so confused whether the project was wisely planned /managed or not; Ethiopians are puzzled as to who is behind the murder or whether to beleive the police report; Ethiopians are questioning whether the previous leaders wasted and cheated reports, and whether the current leaders adequate fire inside to lead, mobilize the nation and to complete such a project… Such uncertainity must have been exactly what Egypt would be hoping for.
            Gerd is the kind of project one hopes to complete with uninterrupted national breath. That was how the Egyptians completed their grand projects such as the Suez Canal and Aswan Dam.
            Lead thinkers such as yourself should focus more on motivating Ethiopians to be less interested in whom to blame for the mismanagement while encouraging them tobbe more interested in completing the project. Your victory as a country is in completing the project 100%. 20% waste is survivable. Not being able to complete the project is a multi track collapse on many fronts: 100% wastage of resources, 100% loss on geoplitics and another 100% on the national psyche and pride and … more.

          • Selam Amde,

            If indeed egypt is implicated in the murder of the ethiopian engineer, it will be my turn to say “bravo egypt”, not for anything else, but for being sooo foolish. 1) It allowed the project to rich almost 70% before it acted, 2) it believed that killing an engineer (one individual) will stall or stop the construction of the the dam. In the first case, the gerd is more or less a finished business, in the second, however important the late engineer had been (HE WAS) for the project, it does not mean he cannot be replaced without having any effect on the project, and they should have known that. Delayed or on time the gerd is a done deal.

            According to the investigative journalism that was carried out on metec, an ethiopian engineering corporation controlled by tplf, in relations to the gerd, it has received three-quarters of the money and has done only one-quarter of the job, salini has said that the delay does not concern it and they have asked the ethiopian government for 300mn dollar compensation for the delay which they say costs them money. Therefore, damage caused by the incompetent metec officials is multiple. The fact that the gerd was their cash cow is shown by how an engineering firm took the contract for 5 bn birr to clean the forest where the artificial lake will lie, and again only 25% of the job done.

            All these have been said by investigative journalists, who asked responsible government individuals at different posts, including the head of metec, who did not deny that the organization has taken the money but has not done the job. How is it possible to deny all these. There is the video, i do not know if Abrehet has the same video in mind.

            If money is not the root of all evils, what else is then? When the money that has been taken by metec is 12.5 bn birr out of the 16bn birr contract and the job done is only 25% (equivalent to 4 bn birr) and the rest of the money is not accounted for, one can imagine the feast with the poor people’s money, if we leave out the additional 5bn for cleaning the forest. I do not know if ethiopians have to thank metec for robbing them. Weird, indeed.

            The problem is not if what is said about metec raises any doubt whatsoever, but if ethiopians can trust the government and its officials anymore, and if they are ready to give more money for the project, so that it is finished. That should be the dilemma for the new ethiopian government.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            I don’t disagree. I know what you meant to say, but still the “bravo Egypt” phrase doesn’t sit well with me. I wish you hadn’t used that.

            Fanti’s argument on whether it was more of incompetence rather than corruption has a lot of merit. What is that saying? “Never ascribe to malice what can be ascribe to stupidity” I think the fundamental mistake was giving Metec so much reaponsibility when it just was not capable of administering such a huge project. I really believe in the intention of knowledge transfer and I believe the officials who made that original did so in good faith.

            But large sums of money make people rationalize bad things.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Have u ever worked in gov office in ethiopia? If so, do u know how many people involved in any money transfer for any kind of projects? A lot people and a lot of signing. When it comes to billions am sure the pm and the governor of the bank too involved in it,
            My point is, in ethiopia corruption case it is impossible the whole money to be lost. It is the discount, transportation kind of things r more vulnerable for corruption.

          • Selam Amde,

            The “bravo egypt” was meant to be cynical of the effort that is being made to outsource the responsibility of the crime, while trying to absolve the main suspects. If egypt had to do such a foolish crime, which is not going to have any effect on the gerd, at least it would have done it a long time ago before the dam has progressed to such level, and moreover, egyptians are not fools not to know that the killing of one individual who can be replaced is not going to affect the fate of the dam.

            Corruption, illegal money and crime go together. Corruption is rampant in ethiopia. Since 2010 alone about $10bn have illegally left the country. If there are people who are ready to speak, the kleptocrats have the power to silence them even today.

            We have to remember what pm Abiy said, that the contract was given to people who had never seen a mega dam, let alone construct the electromechanical parts for such a dam. The incompetence was already known by metec officials and maybe the government of the time as well, nevertheless the contract was given. If they wanted to acquire knowledge, they should have worked first as a subordinate group under an international firm, instead of taking the responsibility of a world class major project. They were amateurs who tried to be professionals for a purpose, and the purpose was corruption. Why and how they were allowed to take the money before the job was done, they know it better than anybody else.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            The role of a project manager in a project is important but not the most significant one. In fact there is nothing a project manager knows that’s so secret that the success of the project depends on (it most cases, specially anything technical). The role of a project manager is to manage the project so it’s completed on time and on schedule. If he failed to do so, he can be accountable but hardly the project stoles because of a PM. If it was a key engineer or an architect then that could be different matter…but a PM, I don’t think so.

            In other words, if Egypt is to go after someone to stall the project, they would go after someone who is responsible for the the technical part of the project. I don’t think they are that stupid to do that.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            You left out the other most important role of a project manager: managing funds. The project not only should run on time but on the budget as well.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            You are right. I meant to say on time and on budget, instead I said “on time and on schedual”, which I repeated myself.

            Berhe

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Berhe Y,

            Does the death of the engineer cause some effect? This is the question that should be asked. Of course, one operation alone is not enough. Definitely, there are other operations to stop the dam totally. They are working for it; we have just to wait. I hope Ethiopians to be vigilant. Sleeping hugging a serpent is very dangerous.

            Al-Arabi

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Horizon,
            If you have to stretch your imagination hard on suspecting anyone with the murder of ESB, it has to be someone like Egypt and its paid operatives. He was working on a project Egypt sees dangerous to its national existence. He was not working against Tplf’s existence. You are becoming funnier by the day. Why would Tplf or Metec guys kill a guy who was working for them? You already told us corruption is rumpant. Are they going to cover every corruption by killing their way out? If ESB’s murder has anything to do with Metec, would PM Abiy order his police team to cover it up by criminalizibg the victim? If yes, would you still support PM Abiy?
            What kind of reasoning is this: going a great length to asolve Egypt while the real motive and capability is there, while going a great length to implicate Metec leaders while there is zero motive or zero safe operationalization?
            Ethiopian elites have a long way to really tame down their impulse of partisian and internal politics so that national interests and safety of their nation is not compromised.

          • Nitricc

            HI Hayat; why is it your TPLF thugs are so enumerated with the death of the Ethiopian Engineer? I think they killed him. they talking so much about him, you know sometimes guilty people volunteer to tell it all. Debrestion won’t stop talking about the dead Eng, why? Your TPLF thugs are amazingly stupid.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Nitricc,

            Your analysis lacks sense; truly, it is a kid’s scribble. There is no hope to mature, you are well programmed to serve the despot only. Sadly, it is a great loss minds to be confined to a certain limited function.

          • Asmerom

            dear Nitricc
            You are blinded by the hate of TPLF anything you say shows your stupidity you can’t grow up and realize your surrounding.You serving a blood sucker despot saying TPLF thugs are stupid is so laughable and needs no reply , please grow up and get a life .

          • Nitricc

            HI Ass-mrom; It must be killing you that your TPLF thugs are out the game. Game over and go screw yourself.

          • Asmerom

            Dear Nitricc
            That’s in your tiny mini mind where all your brain cells are dead.

          • Nitricc

            HI Asmerom; I have told you before. Stop defending TPLF thugs unconditionally. Why don’t you answer my question, why is the TPLF crying day and night about the death of the Gondere Engineer? TPLF don’t even give a hoot about their people but all of a sudden they are crying about Amara? Really? Again if you are paying attention the whole East African is coming together for peace; why now? because the cancer was TPLF. once TPLF is out of the game, Eritrea and Ethiopia; peace. Eritrea and Somalia; peace. Eritrea and Djibouti; peace. TPLF is cancer that needs to be eliminated. I bet you they killed the Engineer!!!

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            Let me ask you, why would egypt act this way now, at this eleventh hour, before the dam is almost finished? What is the logic behind egypt doing what it did not do for so long, knowing that nothing would change? They did not dare to bomb the dam at its early stage when they could have delayed it, as the enemies of ethiopia wanted, and you are saying that the death of the engineer will solve egypt’s fear about the waters of the Nile, as if there is no ethiopian government with whom they have to deal. This is simply unbelievable.

            Do you deny that there was mismanagement of billions of birr, and metec is is the forerunner, by taking the money but not delivering the expected result? Where is the money as long as it was not spent to do the job? It is metec’s ceo who acknowledged that this has happened, and how do you interpret it? Can you call this innocence, and you continue to insist that there could be no connection between massive corruption and crime?

            We are talking here about the big sharks and not petty embezzlers, who over the last eight years succeeded to smuggle illegally ten billion dollars out of the country. Who else could do it except those who ruled ethiopia over the last 27 yrs?

            Did the the engineer know too much that he was dangerous for the kleptocrats if he started to speak? After all he was the project manager, knowledgeable to the process of funding the dam, and which direction that huge amount of money went. The easiest way to bury the evidence is to silence the only person who knew everything. Paid hitmen is one of the ways.

            You are making an illogical conclusion that convinces nobody. A bigger motive is with those who stole billions, and the death of the engineer at this last stage of the construction of the gerd cannot be explained by egypt. I wish i could condemn egypt, but unfortunately, your scenario is simply not plausible.

            If there is a need to cover up and not confront the culprits at this moment, and they happen to be from a certain group, it is out of necessity, taking under consideration the widespread anti-government and anti-ethiopia conspiracy of the day. Let me ask you, have you ever thought of the repercussion when the anger of ethiopians who have put their precious money in the project is so high? Nobody wants more chaos than they already have. Be sure the time will come when some people have to answer for the death of the engineer. It will not be a closed case until the whole truth is known.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            As you may well know, there is a concerted effort being made by some groups to blackmail TPLF in all things Ethiopia and it is sad to watch otherwise reasonable people like Horizon falling for it. His recently intensified fixation with TPLF including routinely refusing to call it EPRDF let alone Ethiopian Government when obvious shows his bias and/or misinformation. Hopefully, he will find the truth on his own and adjust his thinking accordingly, soon.

            In his recent speech, Dr. Debretsion stated that the GERD project not only will continue but also it will be expedited to make up for lost time. The determination to complete the job seems strong.

            I read a news headline this morning about Golf States’ possible interest in acquiring electricity from Ethiopia. I thought that was interesting and it may shade some light into the Saudi FM visit of GERD in 2016, which we all associated with Egypt at the time, and the recently intensified regional relationships.

            I thought this Golf States’ interest was interesting because every time there is a talk about any Middle Eastern country, we all tend to look for all sorts of negative motives. The “Arabs are out to get us” perception is so strong that most of us automatically assume the worst and not examine the possibility of an honest and positive motive.

            I hope we all make a note to help one another to improve on this short coming*.

            * Just thinking out loud. It has nothing to do with you your majesty.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Fanti,

            I think blaming TPLF for all short comings in the country is not productive including accusing them if they had anything to do with death of the engineer.

            However, Hayat had very inside information when she first reported about his death, days later. I had to dig it up because I was really surprised how close she is to those in power and in the know.

            From that initial reaction, I think she was indicating there was a disagreement between the engineer and the PM.

            Now all the sudden she is pulling Egypt out of thin air….. Sure Egypt may have something to do with it, but it does not seem to make sense. With or without the engineer the project will go on (I may be say, not even a week delay would cause by his absence,), it really is easy to replace the PM., so why should Egypt get it’s hands on something that has no value.

            If it was the chief engineer, I can understand. It may take time to bring someone new to fill in the gap but not the PM.

            Berhe

            Hayat Adem Ismail AA • 2 months ago
            Hi again,
            Engineer Simegn was heading to give a press conference at the Communication Office. He had called journalists and some of them were already there waiting for his arrival. On last Monday, one person had a coffee with him and few from Sallini. were also present. I talked to that person minutes ago with the help of a common friend, Engineer SB was asked by this person if he was disappointed by what the PM said on Saturday about the project. To that, Eng Simegn said, “not disappointef but surprised as the reality in the ground was starkly different..” Probably his press conference was going to be about those issues.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Berhe Y,

            In defense of Hayat, we were all expressing whatever we thought were the most likely causes for Eng. Simegn’s death. I don’t think there is any inconsistency in Hayat’s position. Adjusting one’s position as new information is found or more time is spend ruling out certain scenarios is natural in these types of discussions.

            I agree that Egypt’s involvement is very unlikely because, among other things, it does not seem to fit their pattern of behavior, but no one can rule them out 100% either.

            Additionally, it is unlikely PMAA disagreeing statement or Eng. Simegn’s disappointment of the statement to lead to murder or suicide, but we are all left to speculate in whatever way we please and there is nothing else to be done at this point.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Amde,

            Allow me to express my view on the unfortunate death of Eng Smegnew. Though not explicitly said by anyone, the doubt of not finishing himself looks to originate, at least partly, from the idea that suicide is not considered a crime commited upon the deceased because the victim himself had abdicated by commiting a crime upon himself. It is highly possible that Eng Smegnew went through intense stress even depression (that was not visible to anyone) closing himself and not finding any exit to the dam-related issues he was facing perhaps more. We don’t know how much weight this person was bearing in his belly. Probably that weight killed him using his own hands. From what we have heard, he is a very dedicated person. It is even conceivable that he made culmination of this project to be the only objective of his life. Imagine now his only objective getting compromised in the corruption and/or political problems you guys have discussed and probably more. When one distills under such circumstances the bottomline of life, it doesn’t take a second to stip under it, to abdicate. He was certainly well accomplished person, but I also hope he was a happy person in his life, professional and otherwise.

          • Amde

            Selam Haile S.

            I actually think what you articulated here is very very feasible and a main cause to possibly drive him to suicide. To be honest, I got into a argument with a friend of mine who (Eritrean but very pro-Weyane) wanted to say he was ultimately at fault for everything that went sour with the project. (Am still angry about that)

            It is a bad spot to be in. He would not retain his position if he were not willing to”play ball”. And since he is theoretically top man, his name would be on most decisions – even though he may not agree with it. Things were OK as long as he had powerful political backers, but then Abiy happened and now others point to you as the culprit.

            This is the dilemma faced by countless bureaucrats and professionals I think. They are other wise ethical and professional people who mean really well but they find themselves on a slippery slope one mundane decision after another.

            I find the suicide verdict hard to accept just because of the circumstances of the where and when. (Mesqel Adebabay in the morning. Only people that stop there is for a quick tea/coffee, or wait for people. It is not even a parking spot except for cross-country buses) Otherwise you have articulated well why he might be driven to suicide. It also explains why the new regime didnt want to pursue it just yet.

            I am a fan of Ethiopian engineers – especially ones who get the chance to see their dreams come true and I am really sad he couldn’t.

            Amde

          • Haile S.

            Thank you Amde,
            I agree. On the choice of Mesqel square, if it happened the way we mentioned, it is the perfect place to do it, a way of sending messages that he probably didn’t want to write. It would have been further disaster, if he did it in his favorite places, home and the dam.

          • Aron

            Hi tedi,
            I can think of three billion reason why. And again you asked very good question why the need for him to go to abyot adebabay to kill himself instead of gerd or home. Why didn’t he have his bodyguard or his driver with him?. Do you believe in the presumption of innocence until found guilty. The man wasn’t charged with any crime that we know of except what the big mouthed newcomers allegedly accused him of doing. They were not even part of the investigation. He is conveniently dead now to defend himself. I like people who contribute big to their country even if they made mistakes that is minuscule weighed against their contributions to society. What say you.
            Aron

          • Kaddis

            Aron,
            Well said. We all know one way or another GERD will be delayed. Gillgel Gibé with 1/3rd generation capacity took 12 years. Semegnew was expirienced enough to handle delay or corruption. Undermining him shows one’s wicked values. Everyone is arguing conveniently avoiding to mention the board overseeing the construction (Demeqe, Bereket chaired) and the fund raising board ( Demeqe and others chaired) why are not they accountable.

          • Aligaz G

            Kaddis,

            If I am not mistaken Debretsion was in charge. You seem to have different information. Can you clarify?

        • Nitricc

          Hi David, how about you, do you believe the Engineer committed suicide? I am hoping you are better than the Addis police.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            why he committed suicide before the press conference will give us a lot of information and i think we gonna have to wait untill the police report to come out on that, if the police report will not be convincing than we can question the previous police report that say he committed suicide.
            But my guess is, he committed suicide because of corruption and fake report and the stress comes with it and fearing the consequence from the people and the new 3A gov.

      • Paulos

        ወንድም,

        Why do you always have to spoil reasonable thread by throwing uncool stuff?

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam paulos
          Is it u or me throwing uncool stuff?
          U said “debrestsion talks and act like pm” just because he said something that he been responsible of the project, is that ur reasonable thread?

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose

            He mastered such talent of an angry kid in the neighborhood. When ever he does not like he will go on to blame people of racism and hate . Here ,He thinks he is the only one who watched the dancer. The TPLF 🕺 is trying to put new face of reformist while he hide gangsters in his backyard.

            My question is , what’s he going to do when the retirement of the TPLF military insiders hit hard in 2019 ? Debrestion is not even fit to be a gatekeeper, he just is part of these who feel entitled to lead Tigray unless the guy voice and the way he talk seems someone in public toilet telling people he is inside.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U think the debreste dance on social media is really his dance?
            What makes u say, All that u said about him, is it because of todays interview or u just simply said it because of it is ur twisted nature?

        • David Samson

          Selam Paul,

          I can’t stop laughing!

          It will be my turn in a minute.

          • Paulos

            David,

            ከምዚ ሰብዚ ወጠምጠም ዝብል ሰብ ርእየ ኣይፈልጥን፣ He is so freaking annoying.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Paulos.
      He ha built his Tigrai limited company on looting 100 millions people wealth and loan. And the Oromos stopped a good deal of Debretsions company money machine like Metech’ projects, new projects (signing new mega projects with billion dollar loan in the name of Ethiopia and sending the money for mamma Tigrai is stopped. Finishing projects brings no profit.) addis ababa’s land lease etc. No Tigrian want to be in the shoes of Debreshiber now. The Aboyes refused to share their share of looting because they sacrificed their name and status for looting the money. Only This year budget for Tigrai brings Debretsion to make suicide because Tigrai is just the other killil. . Those days of transferring governments money to tigray development are over.

      Soon people of Tigray start demanding what they used to have. And Debretsion must do it by hook or crook. If he wants to be alive he must be a leader of Ethiopia from addis or mekele. For him it is a matter of survival.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam abi,

    This time I decided not to dignify you; not for lack of telling you what you deserve, but for the sake of respecting decent brothers and sisters with whom you share nationality.

    • Abi

      Hi IsmailAA
      Why do you think I represent every Ethiopian?
      Do you represent every Eritrean?
      Now, go ahead , shoot!

      • Ismail AA

        Selam abi,

        Sure, you don’t represent any Ethiopian, which I think is good; neither do I represent any Eritrean. By the way, I won’t have minded if you knew your limits and dealt with me as a person. The annoying things was that you thought you had the audacity and freedom to characterize most valued identity marker (independence) of another nation and its people. That is why I told you that decency cannot condone dealing with you in kind, and collaterally transgress issues your decent compatriots consider sacred. I hope you get what I am saying, have good time until you get another thoughts loitering field.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Abi,

        The Ethiopian people have a long way to go until they enlighten many crippled mindsets. It is a great job that require a lot of patience and tolerance. Anyhow, I wish them success in their mission for civilization and transformation of Zeraf,Zeraf mindsets to the contemporary civilized world

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; well, The Ethiopian police leadership must be the most inept and stupid. Although; there is a good reason for it. The Ethiopian police never done a real police job. For the last 20 something years when ever there was an incident, without investigating they knew the answer. They blow up something then immediately they blame OLF and Eritrea. No matter what happened OLF and Shaebia were the answer. I can give an example; When it came to real investigation on the bombing of PMAA’s rally; the Ethiopian police had no idea and the FBI of the USA has to step in to do the job. We all know what the explanation was for the killing of the Ethiopian engineer. ” He told his son to study hard the night before” i.e that was an evidence that he killed himself. Really? what a fine investigative police work. If that is not enough, as you can see the full scale all out war between Oromo and Amara is ON. And the Addis police chief, has to come out to take the blame out of the Oromo and Qerro for what happened in Berayu; he gave an amazingly stupid police briefing. The Amara youth is getting arrested right and left and people are starting to doubt PMAA and his polices and there are tens tensions among the people in Addis. Not to worry said the police chief, we are cleaning up the Shisha places and we are arresting people who are smoking shisha! What?
    The police are clearly arresting young Addis residents yet this dumb fat creature comes out say the most stupid thing to say. The truth is, the Oromo and Amara are at each other’s throat thanks to the curiosity of Jawar and the rest of the Oromo oppositions and they are arresting every Amara they can find, this is done just to cover the Qerro and Jawar’s unthinkable crime against humanity. if that is not enough, all Oromo oppositions gave press conference to war ESAT, the Amarans and declared Addis is Finifne and it belongs to the Oromo. Give the TPLF thugs some credit. they told the world, if we don’t milk Ethiopia for life, Ethiopia will not only break-up in to pieces but the 2nd Rwanda. There is the moral of the story; Ethiopians endured the suffering under TPLF thugs for the last 27 years yet, they can’t handle a peace and freedom for 7 months. it begs the question; Is tyranny with peace and stability preferable over democracy with wanton destruction, killing, race cleansing and absolute chaos? you vote!

    • Selam Nitricc,

      “Finfine is oromo land, but we will allow all ethnic groups to live freely” shows their foolishness and short-sightedness. In actual fact, it means that whoever owns land within the city has leased it but does not own it, and there is the remote possibility they could be evicted. It seems that there is no place in ethiopia where all ethiopians together can call home. How can they speak of the capital city of a country where 4 mn people live in this way? Addis is the home of all ethnic groups and all ethiopians. If ethiopians start to investigate who lived in the region a 100, 500, 1000 yrs ago, they will not reach a plausible conclusion, because different groups had lived at different times, and they were not the same ethnic group.

      These old f**ts from both sides have come back with all the known dirty laundry they have been carrying around with them for the last 2 decades, without any sign of change in their view point. When they (olf and pg7) speak of peace and democracy conditionally provided certain criteria are fulfilled, it shows their deceit, and it will be impossible for PMAA to reconcile these power hungry fools, who do not desist from immersing the country in a bloodshed. All sides are ready to use the young as their sacrificial lambs, olf to create its mini state it can lord over, and pg7 to create centralize ethiopian government without giving time, when ethnic nationalism of the oromo leaders is still strong.

      They came back wearing the facade of democrats, and it did not take them long before they showed their true nature, selfish power-mongers. At a certain point they may force pm Abiy to re-institute the tplf way of handling them (state of emergency, anti-terrorism law, etc), as long as they cannot tolerate peace and democracy. He cannot sit and look as the country is destroyed by olf and pg7.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Horizon; what is even problematic is one of the Oromo leaders told to exited Oromo youth: ” do you see Addis, Do you see all the high rising, the beautiful houses, it belongs to you. it was built with your money and natural recourses” Now I hear few Oromo are talking selfee on high rising buildings. You talk about stoking a fire. My understanding of Addis is like Washington DC. DC belongs to no one and there is no even representative in the congress and house. This thing could get out of hand.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam horizon
        I born and grow up in addis and this land belongs to this and that never been exist untill ur genocide calculated tplf came to addis, no matter what will happen in ethiopia or addis, the recent situation in addis is the design of tplf, So don’t tell us it is the work of pg7 and olf. And mark my word, things will be worse before it get better, and don’t expect u will laugh from a long distance because u will starve to death.

        • welde

          welde,

          Hi Tedros Alem
          Haven’t you heard , its irrelevant that you were born and grew up in Addis Ababa for it is the sole property of Oromo people,Finefine. As a newcomer or the Minilik settler, you better build your home in Gonder just to be on the safe side.
          Bon Voyage!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam welde
            U better afraid for urself .

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc

      We got the moral of the story, lets stick with the Devil we know, i.e., IA. When you doing Eritrean Military Service?

  • Ismail AA

    Selam ras abi,

    It’s good you still remember those you have mentioned shot and never missed during the eras you would like to forget. But you wishfully skipped including in your list Ghebrias, Solomovs and Tzegredis. The “qeybahrashin” crowd and remnants of Habesha chauvinists will do much better not read much in to what nostalgic descendants of irredentists utter about the glorious patriotic struggle of the Eritrean people when ever it occurs to them convenient.

    Sir, Erirtrea and its independence are here to stay. You better persuade yourself because your country has long decided (ask the realistic TPLF of the late Meles Zenawi) it could cannot afford anymore than one million dead and wounded, and had not only recognized the bitter fact, but also actively contributed to hammering in the last nail into the body of irredentism through civilized and modern instrument called people’s referendum. Following battle field victory and humiliatingly disorderly surrender (on this too, ask the government of Sudan), there was no need for this save giving our Ethiopian neighbors more reason to persuade themselves that the divorces had taken place.

    I should regret to my decent Ethiopian friends in this forum for my irritation. No patriotic being could condone characterizing a nation’s independence “hoax”. It’s an idle and irresponsible affront to a whole nation that annually remembers its heroic martyrs. I would expose indecency if I were to tell the Ethiopians that they commemorate hoax when they gather annually at Sidst Kilo memorial square in Addis Ababa to mourn and remember their heroes against the Italian excesses. Gentlemen like our brother Abi is just having good time in this virtual space which he would not dare in real space because one has to take responsibility for words and actions.

  • Aligaz G

    Abi,

    Funny. Nice ringside view. The dog whistles are out. The chum is in the water. The sharks are circling. David is bobbing and weaving careful not to land any punches. But tell me is the opposition democratic? I means pc is so rigorously enforced. And they are still busy fighting past wars. You seem to have a long history here with these guys.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aligaz G.,

      Couldn’t make anything of what wrote in this entry. I think I cannot remember in the few times I had engaged you as opaque as in this post. What you and I scribble and post on this space ought to be as clear as possible so that we can be sensible to engage others. “You seem to have a long history here with these guys”. Which guys, dear?

      • Aligaz G

        Ismail,

        Yes some posts are opaque. Probably statistically inevitable. I don’t get all your posts either but life goes on.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Aligaz G.,

          I do not keep record of what I understand and not regarding what fellow participants write in this forum. But, I do not hesitate to ask whenever I do not get what I read. That was what I did with you though you did not want to answer the question. Never mind, I could surmise why.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Aligaz G,

      I see you iterate continually the opposition, the opposition. The real opposition is the people of Eritrea as they were the real ghedli in the past. All the groups you see are just Eritreans attempt to enlighten and organize the people of Eritrea. It is understood by now they have gone a long way in that mission. The patriotic Eritrean people are not dead, but they are in a warriors standoff. It is the calm that precedes the storm. “If you see a lion’s teeth, don’t think it is laughing”, an Arabic rhyme.

      • Aligaz G

        Hameed,

        1. Do you believe in free speech?

        2. Is your goal a democratic Eritrea?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Aligaz,

          I can answer for you.

          1) yes
          2) yes.

          Just because of free speech it doesn’t mean your speech can’t be criticized and questioned for any opinions you make. That’s the whole sense of Democratic principles.

          As they say, you are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

          All the participants here come with their own opinions and they stand in their own. They don’t represent no body and they don’t speak of anyone. There are issue that most people agree with and they can agree on that particular issue but they also differ on many other issues.

          The idea is to be resoectiful to people opinions and argue with civility.

          The gentle Ismael AA asked you to clarify what you meant by “You seem to have a long history here with these guys.” but obviously you didn’t want to answer. But I don’t think it’s apororiate because you are implying there is a group of some sort.

          Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            I accept your response. But I shall wait for Hameed’s answer. You are claiming groupthink doesn’t exist. Right. Btw you should get off your high horse and stop lecturing others. No need to be afraid of different ideas.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            Sure while you wait for Hameed. I can only speak for my self and I do not believe there is. If there is, I think it would be nice to call on.

            I am not trying to lecture you, it’s just common curtsy that if you are asked for clarification you provide as much as you can. But you don’t have to. And no body is afraid of any different ideas. If you stay long enough you will decide for your self.

            WedHanka.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe my dear,

            There are questions and there are questions. Do I need to spell out everything for you? Yes you meant to lecture me but do you see me pouting? Deal with your realities without projecting your fears and insecurities on others. I am still waiting for Hameed to tell me he believes in free speech and democracy.

  • David Samson

    Hi Abi,

    The blame for our predicaments falls squarely on the shoulders of inept king.

    Independence WAS NOT hoax, but ‘Social engineering of a society is”

    If Eritrea had used its human resources properly, it would have smashed Ethiopian’s myth: Eritrea is economically too weak to stand on its own.

    Do not also assume that because Eritreans are flocking to Ethiopia, they want to join in Ethiopia, so Independence hoax. Ask any Eritrean who now lives in Ethiopia. They are Eritreans who happen to live in another neighbouring country called ‘Ethiopia’.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam Sam,

    Locals are leaving the country in droves. Do you think your analysis intact with exodus of locals after six days from your comment? And what do the upvoters think by now?

    Al-Arabi

  • Natom Habom

    selam george
    (see how they communicate they are raciste just ignore them )
    is this people have short memory ,they are who the color of your eyes are different so leave the country ,they dont say anything divisive
    it s not good to say thing about tigray ,they trying to seduce her .
    its like( we are one people when we feel good we torture you , we expel you ,we took your land ,we took your belonging ,we bombard you ,we keep in the trench for long time ,we conspire against with foreign country ,but when they are in difficulty they are our brother ,we shouldnt remind them what they did it s a sin ,
    isn t that an insult to us ,

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Abisha,

    For once, I agree with you. I am speechless how David made it for eight hours without a scratch. I will go now to correct him and I will be right back.

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Alex,
    I was not suggesting the kids spend their time in refugee camps. My comments were responding to Nitricc hypocrite comments regarding the Eritreans youth who are in Europe. Not only that, he is objectification of Eritrean women.

    I do believe the government could be pressured to open up and things will get better. Opening of the boarder has already made the living condition better, as in reducing food prices.

    That will translate to economic opportunities that would open up, as in restaurants, hotels, tourism to grow and create job opportunities.

    If the government can stay out and leave the people to mind their business, except manage order and make sure rules (like regular rules, instead of arcane rules) followed, then it will get better.

    Berhe

  • AMAN

    Shalom.
    .
    Dear readers@Awate
    .
    I was always thinking our 70 yrs long
    political and Armed struggle was to
    liberate ourselves and our people from
    colonialism and get rid off the colonial legacy inherited, sustained and lead by
    colonial agents like HSI. But to the contrary some plitical forces are actually
    working to inherit colonial legacy and ressurect colonial values betraying the people who fought and sacrificed for all this decades to have his rights back that
    have taken by the colonialist rulers ( the
    Italians) and their agents (Menelik ) for
    example.
    So if people are admiring the pfdj/tplf or
    eprdf for liberating the land and allowing
    Nations and Nationalities free of central
    government forming a ragion or state in
    the Horn of Africa region like the Amhara,
    Oromia, Tigrai and others;
    then why is the Agaazian Land or Nation
    Denied and not allowed to be one despite
    It has more legitimate claim as one than the rest or the others. Historically and Geographically Agaazian Land and people has more legitimate claim for a
    sovereign State Oromia, Amhara , Tigray
    or even Eritrea and Ethiopia themselves.
    So where is the Liberation or freedom brought about for the people despite too
    many years of struggle and sacrifice by
    the people for a true and just cause ?

  • Abrehet Yosief

    Selam Girmay,
    Girma Adi’u. May you and seven generations of you be blessed. These are golden words you stated:” I always hate it when Eritreans migrate to other countries. I want them to stay in Tigray, and when they feel comfortable they go back to Eritrea.”

    • Selam Abrehet Y.,

      Let me ask this. Do you think that tigray has the economic power to host, let’s say, half a million eritreans. I understand that these eritreans are going to live within the tigrayan society, outside refugee camps I suppose, and they are going to need livelihoods like, housing, jobs, education for their children, health care, etc, in other wards, everything a tigrayan citizen needs.

      The burden is going to be tremendous to the tigrayan economy. Tigray is not west germany. In the early 1990s, when west germany incorporated east germany after the fall of the berlin wall, it needed billions of euros, and some west germans were complaining because all the barden fell on the taxpayer’s shoulder and the west german economy as a whole. Even today they have not overcome the problem completely. East germany is the bastion of the far rights and neo-nazis, which is explained by joblessness and a lower standard of living compared to the west.

      If proximity and ethno-linguistic similarity are the only criteria, and not the fact that these eritreans may be forced to stay in refugee camps without a future, what is wrong if they go to far away places where there is a better opportunity for themselves and their children, as long as they are going to leave their country anyway? One may say that the chances are they will not return back. In my opinion any ethiopian, for example, who lives a better life somewhere else, far or near, and has some sort of connection with the homeland, is not lost to his country.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Horizon,

        don’t think 1/2 million Eritreans would go to Tigray. Most of those who would leave Eritrea are the youth and family who have already their family abroad (husband, brother sister etc).

        Tigray/ Ethiopian governments are not expected to provide housing / jobs and they are not capable to do so either. Other countries such as Sudan, Uganda have been housing Eritreans and nothing drastic has happened to them or their economies. In fact one can argue, the Eritreans have become big contributions to their economy.

        You know the table has turned but during the 84/85 famine, thousands of people from Tigray come and lived in Eritrea and I don’t think they were burden to anyone, that the population couldn’t absorb. I bring this not to scratch old wounds but to relate the story.

        Berhe

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam berhe
          The table has not turned, that is just wishful thinking.
          There is a voa tigragn video that show the recent business exchange between eri and ethio, take a look at it, it looks like the video is neutral, it doesn’t look like a propaganda video to cover inferiority.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            I didn’t know you understand Tigrina.

            I never said anything about inferiority.

            I am not sure I understand what you mean. What I meant was, in the past, as far back as we can remember, people from Tigray use to come to Eritrea for opportunities and for safety (to make a living).

            Now things have reversed and Eritreans are going to Tigray for opportunists and for refuge.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            The reason why the refugees stayed in tigrai is because of they not allowed to move out of the refugee camps without permission.
            “Eritreans came to tigrai for opportunity” it is just only on a propaganda news , not a reality.
            Inferiority, i didn’t mean u personally but the news that shape u to think like this is design to boost inferior self-esteem, not a professional organized news.
            In conclusion, things have not reversed.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Ok, let’s have a wild guess.

            Since the boarder opened, how many people from Tigray/ Ethiopia do you think they will stay in Eritrea compared to Eritreans who will stay in Ethiopia?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            I don’t think so many tigraians will stay in eritrea unless they have relatives in eritrea and i don’t think the law itself allowed them to stay there but outside the refugee camps eritreans too don’t stay in tigrai and they never did, unless as a transit.
            The point, it is cheap and false to say the table has turned, reversed and thing like that, it just show nothing but like i said…. complex and it is unnecessary for good relationship.
            And i don’t speak tigragn but understand the video what they trying to say and it has some part in amharic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            Why doesn’t Eritrea allows them to stay? Is it possible for someone to ask asylum in Eritrea even?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Have u ever heard a group called “tpdm” they stay in eritrea and they r tigrai/ethiopians.
            I thought u talking about opportunity, the table has turned?
            I don’t know eri gov policy for refugees.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Horizon,
        I am not in a position to advice anyone what to do. Specially individuals who are risking their lives to improve their situation. Nevertheless, I will be grateful to anyone who offers them shelter, and who says stay with us share what we have until you are able to return home.

  • Paulos

    Selam Alfaromeo,

    I agree. All I can say is I feel sorry for them.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, the assylum providing countries of the West could probably reconsider their assylum practices citing the peace that has been signed between Eritrea and Ethiopia. But as long as there is no change in the oppressive practices of the DIA regime within Eritrea, then Eritreans would continue to flee the country, seeking freedom and opportunities elsewhere. Therefore, soon, there will be clash between the decisions of the assylum granting countries and the need of protection of Eritreans. This clash in itself, I hope, will put more pressure on the DIA regime to reform itself and stop its repressive practices that it has been blaming on external conspiracies and the no war no peace stalemate. It might also indirectly help Eritreans to focus on the root cause of their missery-the DIA regime and hence take serious measures to challenge the regime from inside Eritrea.

    • David Samson

      Selam Abe,

      Europe has been sealed-off for some time now. The number of boats which are docked at Italy’s ports have gone down substantially this summer. Immigration is the hottest issue in Europe right now. Across Europe, the right-wings are making inroads into the mainstream. Immigration is one of the main reasons for Brexit vote.

      With regards to Eritrea, the difference between political and economic migration is blurred, even broken. Sons and daughters of ex-fighters are drowning in the sea. If the desire was to immigrate in the first place, what was point of wasting your life in trenches? Nobody will listen to anyone advising them not to leave Eritrea. The stage where we are now is the result of deceits, betrayals and immaculate deception by Ghedli. No fool will buy patriotism, and for all its purpose and intent, it is dead for good.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi David and Abreham,

        I read somewhere yesterday that the Prime Minister of Italy is heading to Eritrea for a visit. I don’t know what the nature of his visit but I think Immigration would be one of them.

        This PM is elected primary for his hard stance on immigration and the case of Eritrean refugees would be of great achievement if he manages to work out a deal with IA.

        So it will be very difficult for Eritrean to make a case in Europe now, if the political system is changed.

        Berhe

        • David Samson

          Selam Berhe,

          No amount of arm-twisting, bribe and coercion by European leaders will do the trick. The biggest concern of European is that the entire Continent’s population might try to get in to Europe. In fact, this was exactly what Merkel told a girl during the Syrian’s exodus.

        • Acria

          Selam Berhe Y,
          The problem with Eritrea is that it is ruled by our DIA who is making deals with countries without consulting his people and without announcing the substances of his deals. Any Eritrean will get provisional or permanent asylum despite the peace deal with Ethiopia.

        • Selam Berhe Y.,

          If i am not mistaken, the PM of italy is a university professor picked by the two italian far-right parties, because they could not reach a consensus, and the deputy pm seems the one who actually rules italy.

          Matteo salvini, the deputy pm of the present italian government, is a fascist and a rabid anti-migration politician, who last time called african migrants “slaves” and refused to apologize. This is the face of the present day italian government. Eritreans should not be hoodwinked by the past colonial history, from which after all they gained nothing.

          In my opinion, italians, who themselves immigrated in the past throughout europe and mainly to the usa and australia, are the worst racists in europe, compared to other europeans, if we leave out the kleptocratic eastern european dictators, who themselves were under communism for almost 70 yrs, and they are ignorant of democracy and human rights. It is italy, hungary, poland, and austria, who speak of their christian roots, hate multiculturalism and are ant-migrants. All these governments came to power riding the anti-immigration and islamophobia bandwagon.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selam David Samson,

        “The stage where we are now is the result of deceits, betrayals and immaculate deception by Ghedli.”

        Absolutely no! “Ghedli” was necessary, on time, and justified. The first African revolution of its kind, it created a disciplined, patriotic, selfless army of Eritreans who, “against all odds” managed to accomplish the impossible from their humble beginnings.

        For some no-less-miraculous reason, however, Eritrea’s problem began after independence. President Isaias slowly changed the nation and its aspirations into a mafia like organization by whom every Eritrean household is systematically terrorized. Victory was destroyed.

        Imagine an Eritrea today had the victorious Tegadelti took a different route than that of the last 27 years. Gather their refugees, thank their neighboring countries that lend a hand during the tough times, begin to build their war torn nation, and hand power to the people. Just imagine that!

        • haileTG

          Hey Fanti,

          I think Paulos can add to what I’ll say. Given the theory of parallel universe, there exists an Eritrea with all the particulars you mentioned along one of the parallels. We just happened to have ended up on this sorry one:)

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Fanti Ghana,

          Well articulated comment. Thank you.

          Eritrean Ghedli is not a one person or a group revolution, it is the entire Eritrean people revolution. Defamation of Ghedli hurts all Eritreans; it is not accepted under any circumstance. And the most cowardice attack is the one that is shot when they are suffering by demon.

        • Selam Fanti Ghana,

          Why bring back this myth of “against all odds”, told by a ferenji journalist who wrote a myth for the gullible ferenjis, which infected the eritrean society as well. If he had told eritreans the whole truth, how the world situation especially the fall of communism in russia helped, how the west opposed and undermined the communist regime in ethiopia, the idiotic actions of the derg that killed its own generals thus incapacitating the ethiopian military (saay), much more, turning almost the whole of the ethiopian people against the derg due to the hundreds of thousands of killings, thus forcing them to refuse to fight, die for the bloodthirsty regime, sabotage the effort, and many other reasons, things would have been much different today.

          Unfortunately, this made dia/eplf(pfdj) to wear the false wings (of wax and feathers) of the mythical icaras, thus believing in their exceptionalism and invincibility, flying high to the unknown land of war and confrontation within eritrea and with their neighbors.

          If dia/pfdj had been told about their great sacrifices and at the same time their good luck, they would have cared a lot for their independence and they would have not squandered it. Even today most eritreans should do a reality check and pull themselves out of false perceptions and save eritrea before it is too late.

          Gedli has played a pivotal role for what has become of eritrea. It is impossible to separate what happens today in eritrea from the legacy of gedli, and to say that dictatorship was born after independence. A protracted liberation war cannot exist outside the implementation of a dictatorial (totalitarian) modus operandi, which is imported into the new government. To me the concept that liberation fronts can be democratic is simply far fetched. We saw truth when tplf and eplf came to power.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon. Your comments on Ghedli are misguided. The problem is, that you have an ‘Ethiopian’ mentality, from which you cannot escape. From well before Ethiopia’s great famine of 1888 to 1892, when about a third of its population died, Eritrea has never wished to be a part of Ethiopia. Fact is, with all excuses set aside, that with all the might and power in troop numbers and air superiority while at the same time receiving either USSR/Cuba or Western power support, neither your Emperor nor your Butcher of Africa could kill the Eritrean revolutionary struggle. Eritrea needs to live in harmony with Ethiopia and all of its neighbors, nothing less and nothing more..

        • David Samson

          Selam Fanti,

          “For some no-less-miraculous reason, however, Eritrea’s problem began after independenc”

          You seemed to have missed the boat. We end up where we are now was not ‘by miracle’ but ‘by design’. I know and understand that most revolutions have failed to fulfil their prime objectives. Post-revolution societies, to large extent, experience some apathy, bitter disappointment and hopelessness.

          The destruction of families, tradition and culture was conceived and designed in the hidden mountains of Sahel. What we have been witnessing over the last 27-years is the actual execution.

          I used to visit my ancestral village during my childhood. I had fond memories. I had my uncles, nieces, nephews etc. They were farmers and lived from hand-to-mouth subsistence way of life. They had strong family bond, good manners and very cultured. Within the period of 27-years, the village’s way of life has not only decimated but has turned in to barren land. Since there are not able bodies left in the villages, the villagers go around villages for help to bury their loved ones. All my relatives spend their spare time in court frightening each other over land ownership and inheritance. They hate each other and wish to pass over their animosities to their offspring’s. You can blame anyone you want for my family’s predicaments, but will not buy patriotism.

          Unlike the Cambodians who were lucky to have sparred the full wrath of Khmer Rouge regime, thanks to the North Vets, our ‘Year Zero’ which began in 1991, shows no sign of abating.

          • Blink

            Dear David
            You have your family fighting each other for lot of land and they hate each other for this to happen there must be something these ELF , EPLF and all Eritrean organization has to be blamed for family issues. Before the birth of mahber 7 or al islamia or any other Eritrean political organizations , there was always family fight over land and in fact there was killings too . I believe your reasoning is foolish as well as idiotic as facts on the ground based on the family thing attests opposites your claim. From the ages society has been on the move from one side to other side for centuries but you wanted this natural thing to be connected to EPLF or whatever the Eritreans did to get their independence. At the time of hailesilassie there was land fight and still is but here you are without close with fat reasons to paint their work as “ hoax” . YG in this forum.

          • David Samson

            Selam Blink,

            Labelling anyone critical of Gehdli as YG does not cut and is cheap too.
            Since ELF, as far as I know, did not experiment with social engineering, let’s leave it aside.
            The family fighting WAS NOT A PAST. It is right now.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            So when you say Ghedli, then are your referring to EPLF and it’s continuation PFDJ specific then?

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            Yes. Whatever ELF’s shortcomings, should be told by historians. I can’t blame ELF because it did’t govern Eritrea.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Fanti.
          As i see it the change was not slow. But my understanding was that what the ghedli group has in mind for Eritrea for the long run and the rest (especially the scholars) had a bid difference. Both knew and meant for the best of the majority. But who got the gun?

          My question to you is that as Eritrea with small population how much do you think the mass exodus hurt for the peaceful struggle in Eritrea? I guarantee you even the most disciplined group who took power by gun never give up power so easily.

          When woyane took over Addis our place was a kind of camping place for the woyanes. We did not greet them. We had zero contact with them. One of them came to us. A very polite one. He greeted us and said ” dont be afraid. we took oath that we would never shoot to civilians’. Three days after what he said they shoot and killed an eight year old who bought bread and run after the curfew they put. The rest is history.

          My point is Eritreans abroad by hook or crook must make a way to come home and engage in making change.

        • Mez

          Dear Fanti G,

          ” …For some no-less-miraculous reason…”

          What happens to the “sciences” in relation to Eritrean social process.

          Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            I guess “science” became quirky rarity or unconventional with Eritreans.

          • Mez

            Good day Amanuel H,

            Whome to Blame?
            1) the science which is not lending itself to the intellectuals of Eritrea, or
            2) the Eritrean (social science profetionals) don’t want to practice (applied) sciences.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Mez,

            Both. I believe we have few of them, and the few don’t want to practice in the Eritrean proper. If it is otherwise, am glad to learn from you, as you are one of them.

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            Albeit by “chance” we stumbled into a very fundamental topic.

            I would think, those in philosophy subject area may buttress it the way it should.

            Thanks

        • Desbele

          Selam Fanti,
          “For some no-less-miraculous reason, however, Eritrea’s problem began after independence” .
          It is very simplistic statement. The culture of violence was well nurtured by EPLF in the early 70’s in Eritrea. Rounding up peasants, child soldier, liquidating dissent in the most brutal way, civil war with ELF. These practices not only continued in free Eritrea but scaled up. Total control of one man, crushing dissent, destroying social fabric and social institutions, war with (Sudan,Yemen,again Sudan,Djibouti,Ethiopia,Congo!). Eritrea’s problem started in 70’s

          • Paulos

            Desbele,

            Fantination is not Earthly. He is incapable of offending nations including Eritrea much less people. That is precisely the reason we call him Saint Fanti.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            እህም! including Eritrea ቆርበና ዶ’ ረቒቑ?

            ቅዱስ ፋንቲ ዘደብረ-ጋና
            ተዓጣቒ ጉራደ ተወንዛፊ ባና
            ኣበ-ነፍሲ ከባቢና ሃገራትና
            ዘሳልሙ ዝምርቑ ካይፈለዩ ንኩልና
            ዘይንኣምን፡ እስላምና፡ ክርስትያንና
            ረጒድ ቆርበት ኢትዮጵያውያና
            ረቂቕ ቆርበት ኤርትራውያንና
            ንኹሉ ዘኽብሩ ዝመትና ዘለና
            ኣብ ጸሎትኩም ኣይትጋደፉና
            ክንደይ እኳ ካይለግበና፡ ከምዛ ከማይ-ንዓና
            መን ይፈልጥ ግና ይኸውን ይምሰለልና።

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            It takes you for one to come up with that kind of exalted authenticity. Life is shrouded in mystery and who knows, Fantination might as well logs on from up in heaven. ነቦይ’ዝጊ ሰላም በለልና!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Haile S.,

            ዝተመረቕናዮ ድኣ ይህሉ’ምበር እስኻዶ ምሳና ምወዓልካ ክብለካ ጅምር ኣቢለያ ነይረስ, ዋእ ክስቶኸ ክስቶኸ ክስቶኸ ክብል ርእሰይ ምስሓበጥኩ ገዲፈዮ፤፤

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos,

            Some Saint! I may have jumped the gun on this one. After reading Desbele and David’s reply, I realized that they are addressing a slightly different issue than what I assumed David meant in the sentence I quoted him.

            PS:
            “ነቦይ’ዝጊ ሰላም በለልና!” was hilarious. I needed that laugh at that very moment. Thank you.

      • Blink

        Dear David

        You said “The stage where we are now is the result of deceits, betrayals and immaculate deception by Ghedli. ”
        This idea the Eritrean revolution was a hoax is an idea that was for ages with big sound horns that originated from the keybahrachin streets to the unionist lunatics. Eritreans are used to it , they all know whose idea is that and to what purpose. The fact that you are alluding for such hatewtow seems natural after 20 years of standing to grand project that failed miserably at the highest level of cowardice manifested beyond control in to few minds. Eritrea is a country just as the 3000 or something. Dictators pop up here and there for different reasons and that has been the case in many countries. Revolution of Eritreans gave birth to a country that blocked the 3000 years fiction based country. Remember Eritrea was made by sheer conviction that wow the whole world.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Blink.
          So you won both USSR and USA. already 27 years ago. My question is does any connection between your victory over usa and USSR and collaps of USSR?

          Another question is that such a powerful fighters would be more devastating force when they made a government. How powerful is the Eritrean force in world basis?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Mitiku Melesse,

            My friend, at the end of the day the WILL and RIGHTS win not power forces. The most powerful weapon ever existed is that of WILL and RIGHTS.

            Al-Arabi

          • Blink

            Dear Mitiku

            USSR COLLAPSED just as the Romans as well as the Ottoman Empire and that has nothing to do with what Eritreans did to get their independence but we did chock their partner in Africa ( Ethiopia).

            Remember awate was with few people who were determined to challenge the feudal system. They were infact alone in the bush and guess what happened after just 20 years ? Eritreans stopped the largest army in Africa armed with state of the art weapons at his disposal, how do they do it ? How Halima died in shieb is one thing but defeating the most fittest army in Nadow was the product of the sheer determination of halima’s baby girls and boys . USSR was all in with Dergi while Eritreans were begged to have Ethiopian passports in order to ship them away from their land .

            Governing Eritrea ?
            There was no a single Eritrean who gave PFDJ to govern Eritrea and that is another chapter in Eritreans history but make no mistake Eritrean fighters outclassed and outmaneuvered all powers who told them they will never win that is a pure testament of Eritrean Ghedli that David and his pals tried to paint as bad.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Thanks Blink.
            Another question is that is there any connection
            a) between the West won over ussr and mengistu support from ussr collapsed
            b) the west and US war against mengistu
            c) the 17 years rage of Ethiopians against mengistu
            d) the multitude ethnic based gorilla fighters
            e) the compulsory overdue military service in Ethiopia that time
            and the victory of teghadelig over mengistu?

            I remember during 1990-91 there were many victories all over the world; Romania, Germany, Angola, Eritrea, multitudes of ex-ussr lands, Albania, Poland, etc.

            How Eritrea is doing compared of the rest of these lands?

          • Blink

            Dear Mitiku
            We really can’t know what exactly would USSR do to their armament in relation to Dergi , we can only guess . The becoming of Gerbachow and the economic boom of the west, I mean Ethiopia could simply change partners from west and they could actually got what they wanted in terms of weapons , Dergi and Hailesilassie used their international exposure to kill Eritrea dream for independence. Just as any other Dergi simply could get a formidable partner just the apartheid of SA do get what they wanted from caterpillar and many western countries. In 1984-86 the hunger thing was all over the west and at that time Eritreans were being slaughtered as fest sheeps but guess who was getting the dollars ? So my assumptions is what ever happened to USSR armaments supply or what Dergi could get from Israel and USA could not stop Eritreans from throwing out Ethiopian occupiers.

            Remember in 1991 the weapons depo in Eritrea were all full to the maximum and Dergi was not short of manpower.The largest army of Dergi and best Generals were positioned in Eritrea and the Air Force waw , I think I said enough. My understanding is Mitiku Eritreans revolution was legitimate from the beginning of 1945 , even the federation was simply arm twisting not supported by Eritreans excluding some goons. Here I am not questioning other Ethiopians who opposed Dergi .

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Blink.
            You forgot to answer c-e.
            Bye for now.

      • Amanuel

        Hi David Samson
        It is not credible that blame Ghedli entirely for what happened after, even though some of the seeds of the problem came from it. Ghedli started when the Eritrean people peace full struggle for the right to self determination was answered with arms and ended when it was achieved in the form of referendum. Just to remind you 99.83% Eritreans with a 95.8% turn out voted for independence. It was verified by the international comunity and any words used now to discredit it won’t stick.
        As the flight of people specially the youth, it had its own explanation. First let see the facts. Yes comparing to it’s neighbours and it’s population the number of refugees are very high. However that number has been inflated by Ethiopian refugees who claime as Eritreans as well. From time to time I do help refugees organisation as a volunteer and most of time 3-4 out 10 are Ethiopians claiming as Eritreans. There is a market in Calais about Eritrean case for Ethiopians.
        As to why leave, who wouldn’t under the circumstances and I don’t need to list all the problems, they are a public knowledge.

        • David Samson

          Selam Amanuel,

          It is very incredible to see how many ex-fighters has twisted the idea of ‘Independency.’ Voting for Independency has nothing to do with governing a country. No-one, yes, No one in Eritrea has given the mandate to any organisation for using them as a ‘Guinea pig’ for social engineering.

          • Amanuel

            Hi David Samson
            I agree voting for independence is not a mandate for govering the country, and hence I am doing my bit so that power is transferred to an elected government.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Amanuel.
          What could have been if the struggle was free from weapon?

          • Amanuel

            Hi MM
            It is a hypothetical question, however for example if the Eritrean people were given the opportunity to determine their future on the 10th anniversary of the Federation based on the federal constitution, then they would have voted for independence.
            25 years ago I was fortunate to speak to a dignified man who was a minster during the Federation era, he told me ” At first I was a unionist mainly for two reasons, 1) lack of confidence that I though we were not capable of running our government, 2) I mistrusted my muslim brothers that they are conspiring to make Eritrea a muslim country, however when we started work, I found out that we were more than capable of running our government, even more advanced than the Ethiopians. As my muslim brother I came to learn that they were passionate patriots, who have nothing but love for their Christian brothers, however by the time I (we) knew this it was to late”

      • Abraham H.

        Dear David S., I agree with the part of your comment that has to do with the situation of policies of EU on refugees; but not with the part that puts wholesale blames on the Ghedli for our current predicaments. The great majority of leaders and the rank and file of those who participated in the Ghedli in all its forms, did so based on genuine belief that once the external occupiers are defeated, then life would be better for Eritreans. Otherwise, there was no point in spending decades and sacrificing thousands for the sake of replacing one oppression with other and even worse type of oppression. I’ve always commented that what Eritrea has come to be is only to be blamed to the corrupt DIA group who have managed to hijack the hard won freedom of Eritreans for their own narrow and greedy interests.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Aman, please take a look at the google map. It will give you a clear picture as to where the delimitated border goes between Eritrea and Ethiopia. That border would be demarcated soon, hopefully

  • David Samson

    Selam Aman,

    You write some good stuff, but the layouts and alignments have let you down. If you look at the message you posted, every single line is out of sync: you are not using words’s alignment properly. Why can’t you type it on word, and post it directly?

  • Nitricc

    Ayneta; I don’t know if you are too old or too dumb. There are Eritreans who are wasting their lives in Ethiopian refugee camps for 10 Kilo wheat and a can of cooking oil on their most productive age of their loves. Can I ask you what their future is when they are in the streets of Tigray bagging for food? Where is your sense of pride? If you have any commonsense and decency, you could have felt for them and you should have advice them to stay home and help build their country. But as corrupted as you are, you are accusing me that I am blaming the gumption less refugee. I am not blaming them I am feeling bad for them. They may be 25 today they will be fifty on the freaking refugee comps with no whatsoever skills. They are wasting their life. You are very bright person aren’t you?