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Unfiltered Notes: The Day After

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter” — MLK

I remember the face of one compassionate Italian mayor – full of sadness for people she didn’t know – clearly showing her deeper humanity. This was last October when the world mourned the Lampadusa tragedy where over 360 Eritreans perished in the Mediterranean Sea. Predictably, Eritrea’s regime known for inhumanity against its own citizens, showed no such compassion. Knowing full well these were people who fled its forced labor programs, the regime first tried to disown them as “illegal African immigrants”. It later attempted to shift the blame to imaginary enemies and finally refused to allow burials to take place in Eritrea denying much needed closure to grieving families.

One thing is certain. The longer this regime stays in power, the more destruction and destitution Eritreans can expect. The question is: do we have what it takes to free ourselves from this burden sooner than later and to face the challenges of the-day-after before things go the way of South Sudan and Somalia?

Although the sense of urgency is not quite there yet, there is definitely room for optimism we can do this. The growing calls for justice and freedom around the world, Dr. Tewelde’s (wedi vacaro) refreshingly clear and direct campaigns, the growing support for wedi Ali’s family, the massive demonstrations in Israel (albeit for a different but related reason), and continued defections away from the regime are good indicators things have crossed the point of no return. Bravely taking responsibility for one’s actions and publicly apologizing for past mistakes, as Dr. Tewelde did is also admirable and will, hopefully, become a new trend for others to emulate. As more people take such honorable steps, maybe good societal values that were so mercilessly trashed by the regime for decades, can be restored as well.

To add to the optimism, credible rumors are floating around that Haile Menkorios maybe in the opposition camp. If true, this is indeed good news because he has great connections that can be put to good use. Hopefully, he and his group will also take advantage of hind sight to think differently this time and start building a broader coalition that appeals to greater number of Eritreans than before. Perhaps then, people like Mr. Herman Cohen can also free themselves from the bondage of only seeing the rotten regime as their only potential partner and stop giving it legitimacy it does not deserve. Wouldn’t it also be nice if Haile’s group also took public and concrete steps to approach Dr. Tewelde and others to show Eritreans can really work together after all?

I have nothing but respect for what Dr. Tewelde is doing. But since no one is perfect, those close to him should advise him not to alienate anyone. This is the time we celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King’s life in the U.S. So, if we must judge anyone, it should be based on nothing but “the content of their character”. We need to accept that everyone, deqi “ArbEa” or otherwise, are equally Eritrean. Period. The sooner we internalize this, the better chances Eritrea will have to heal its deep self-inflicted wounds.

Only through full and unreserved inclusiveness, will we be able to channel everyone’s skills and experience to take on the hard work ahead. Meles had a simple and beautiful vision to see the day when every Ethiopian has three meals a day. He identified poverty as public enemy number one and millions of Ethiopians are committed to that worthy goal now.

By contrast, Eritrea has no such vision, showing our poverty is really in our heads. In spite of 1000 Km of coastline there is hardly any fish in town and malnutrition is widespread. With two deteriorating ports and unaccounted for gold revenues, Eritrea is poorer than ever before — where life is sustained through remittances and people are unable to support themselves on honest earnings. Eritrea could have been a middle income country by now if it were not managed so badly.

To reverse this, the younger generation from which future leaders will necessarily have to emerge, must shift the conversation away from the fruitless polemics of the past and re-focus it towards a more productive and hopeful future. As the saying goes, since the future cannot be predicted, you might as well invent it. So, if we can accept the simple fact that a working economy is a good pre-condition for a better future, then our conversation will have to change to what needs to be done now to get there. Much less weight should be given to ‘who did what to who during the ghedli years’ (less than 5% maybe), and much more to what environment we must create to attract the right people to partner with to build a lasting economy.

Since productivity and efficiency are key drivers for a growing economy, we will then be forced to think about how we can keep our society healthy to come up with an equitable and efficient public health policy. Sick or malnourished people can’t be that productive even if the will is there. Education is another key contributor to economic health. And commitment to good education will, in turn, force us to shift our thinking to how we can free education from the grips of propaganda and on re-focus its purpose to seek knowledge and truth — as it is meant to be. All these need to take place now before the-day-after arrives. Otherwise, simply waiting for the-day-after to arrive, as we seem to have done so far, will only increase the chances of mismanaging the vacuum it surely will bring along with it – leaving avoidable suffering for future generations.

If we manage to change the conversation with a strong bias towards the future, however, better choices will emerge — brightening the future bit by bit. Some choices will be of the standard variety and some from way out in the fringes but no less exciting. Here is a good example from India (http://www.ted.com/talks/bunker_roy.html). Did you miss the part about starting democracy early and the 12 year old Prime Minister? Go back!

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  • saay7

    Papillon: I started watching the interview with Abu Sheneb, El Brutus Maximus, and I found my hand slowly reaching for a razor blade, and the blade for the wrist; thankfully, I reached for the remote control instead.

    Isaias Afwerki always reminds me of the kid in college who, in the finals, writes everything he read about a subject, regardless what the specific question asked was. You professors (and those of us who even taught a semester or two) know that kid. It’s the “throw everything and hope something sticks” strategy. 18 minutes to answer 1 question. And thanks to the abundant low-information and easily-wowed citizen (Exhibit A: Nitricc), the traditional rambling halewlew of the mad man has had its fans for decades now.

    There is always one “president gone wild” moment in these interviews when El Presidente appears on the verge of a meltdown. Was there one?

    saay

    • Papillon

      Hey Sal,

      As it happened, you came to mind when he said, ውስጠ ልጉብ for interconnected where he seems to obsess of inventing “new” Tigrigna phrases or idioms. Other than that, it was not only incredibly unbearable but one more indictment among million others for a sheer contempt toward the Eritrean people. The surfacing retired diplomats must be scratching their heads as he blows off the much talked hope on the horizon. On a side note, you can clearly see the torment one of the journalists (Paulos) had to endure through out the interview not only he and to node his head in agreement but he was physically tense as his legs are almost rigor mortis.

      Haft’kha.

  • Guest

    I just finished watching the mafia boss’ interview on East-Afro and I feel sorry for us the fact that this lunatic, sadist and evil person is still in power and riding on the back of the Eritrean people with impunity. God bless Eritrea.

  • Hayat Adem

    This is my 3rd time I’m trying to throw back a reply to my friend, Thomas. Let me hope I’ll succeed with this one. I don’t know if Nitricc, the goat herder, is getting on my way out of envy of my good friendship with Thomas. Nitricc, if my suspicion is right, please mind your goats and let me do this!

    Thomas, I would like to think of myself as using communication for self improvement and value-enrichment. That way, I see everyone here, including the goat-herders, as contributors to check my perspectives and update them accordingly. Logic and facts are the resources that help one conquer or drop ideas. Even when unconvinced, I always find something or some side to appreciate about the idea or the owner of the idea. Unless someone is pointing a loaded gun at me, I’ll never see her as a threat. I feel flattered when my name is tagged with words like “voice of the reason, knowledgeable, patient, respectful” but those are the kind of values I aspire and cherish. Thanks a lot.

  • salyounis

    Hayat and Ermias:

    Well, this is what happened…You see, I read awate on Safari on my iPhone, but I read all emails from the awate board of directors on Firefox, but I reply to them on Chrome. So because of all this awate 7.0 business, I was using a PC and its default browser, Explorer, and I was not able to see the email I got from awate board (Firefox) asking me to contribute more but only on even months on odd years. Plus Atlas wanted a break and he asked me to carry the globe, busy busy busy.

    In my absence, I learned that the Human Rights team visited Eritrea–but this was not reported on Shabait, but its satellite websites. I also learned that, apparently, we have “civil society” in Eritrea but my excitement was short-lived as I learned that PFDJ’s definition of civil society is all its mass organizations.

    But what had me completely absorbed is this hypnotic video that I watched which I hope the dictatorial regime of awate.com will post. I took days off from work to watch it. It is that good. It is too bad I can’t share it with Eyob who is in Ethiopia cursing at the primitive internet connection of his “explosive-growth-we-discuss-GDP-but-not-GDP-per-capita” country. If the dictatorial regime of Saleh Gadi Johar, which is unhappy with me for neglecting my awate 7.0 duties and staying glued to this video agrees to post it, I will contribute more.

    Welcome back, y’all.

    saay

    • Hayat Adem

      Really good to know you are around, Sal.

    • Ermias

      …and thus the house goes on fire. Watch for the brainiacs flocking back. Relief from duty for me and Nitricc.

  • Nitricc

    Aman and the rest i will get back to you. for now, let me get it out of my chest.
    Semere!
    Semere, although I never questioned nor doubted your stand when comes to Eritrea and her people; however, My apology for doubting you and questioning your character! I was wrong! I am sorry, my bad.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Nitricc

      Believe me, I’m the one who felt really bad the whole week, for my sarcasm going awry. Thank you. Now I can sleep better. In all honesty, I like you a lot; you are my kind guy. And one more thing:
      Always be yourself – speak-up your mind with confidence – swim against the tide – beat the odds – or simply be an Eritrean.

  • Thomas

    Nefat ensisa

  • Thomas

    Change can only come reapplying Wedi Ali’s way. DIA must be eliminated through our EDF.

    • dawit

      Thomas,
      your wish to plunge Eritrea into civil wars is clear. EDF members will not fall for your devilish wishes. They will defend Eritrea from inside or outside enemies of Eritrea. Long Live PIA and heroic EDF

    • Nitricc

      “Change can only come reapplying Wedi Ali’s way”
      How? by killing own self?
      okay if you say so, you go first. do what wedi-Ali did and i am sure others will follow and sure enough change will come. some people are just slow!

      • Thomas

        Tsimam hangol derho

  • dawit

    [Editor’s note: we received a clarification from Semere. Comments are
    now reactivated. We will explain the issue soon.] When are you really allow to comment on Semere’s article?

  • Thomas

    The only way forward is for our military to overthrow the dictatorial regime by force, the Wedi Ali’s way. Past history shows the only way to eliminate a dictator is by the power of guns.

  • Nitricc

    I don’t know who this person, named Hayat is, but I am tired of insulted by here outrageous remarks. If it is not enough one lie after another against the proud people of Eritrea; now she elevated her lie in to all new lies.
    If Eritrea is labeled arrogant because PIA is perceived as one; it is fair game to label Tigryans because of their filthy leaders, the weyanes.
    The Truth is Tigryans are every ill of Eritrea and Eritreans.

    They ignited war, to attack Eritrea by counting on the Ethiopian population and recourses, that way to send a message for the rest of the Ethiopians, not to mess with them and to behave; that way they can rule for life.
    They lost the war. They tried everything on their power; once again the Eritreanness came through.
    they tried and done everything they could to capture port of Assab, they failed nothing to show for to the Amharan, Oromo and the rest of Ethiopians who were told Assab will be back instead the dishonest tigryans were forced to enter in to Algiers agreement and agreed to settle legally. Then here comes the rule of law, The court of law rendered its verdict and Badme was awarded to Eritrea. The dishonest weyne told its people victory was at hand and held festivities and celebration with no shame laying to their people and the world.
    The story goes on and on.
    What If the Tigryans did attack Eritrea? Will Eritrea be where she is at? NO
    What if the Tigryans honored their word and demarcated the border? Would all the young people drown in high sea? NO
    Tigryans are paying every one in hope to ignite civil war and to entice ethic unrest.
    Every misery of Eritrea and Eritreans is due to Tigryans inferior complexity.
    I am sorry there is no cure. Even former American Ambassador to Ethiopia said it in black and white. So, Hayat, I don’t give a flying hoot if you are Eritrean, Arab or Ethiopian, you are going to distort the truth and you are not going to insult our intelligent.
    If you are going to tell us with out the Tigryans Eritrean independence would never materialized; well you are just displaying your ignorance and stupidity. It is the other way around. TPLF grave was dug in Shire-Edaslise; thanks to EPLF. TPLF never knew how to operate tanks and 125 mm artilleries in their entire struggle. EPLF tanks and artilleries are the one they were rooming the streets of Addis.
    Check your freaking facts before you open your mouth.

    • Rodab

      Nitricc,
      You have raised a host of issues but I will comment on only one point. Hayat believes Eritrea’s independence wouldn’t have materialized had it not for the help we got from the Tigrayans. Do I agree with that? Not entirely. I do agree that they helped us and they did sucrifice for Eritrea’s independence. There is no question about that. And even though Hayat didn’t find it worth mentioning, we helped them egually. And your example of Shire is spot on. So the cooperation was mutual for mutual benefits. Now, without Tigray’s help, Eritrea’s independence would have taken more sacrifices, more effort and a much longer time frame. But I believe eventually it would have happened for the simple fact that the Eritrean people were the motor behind the mission of their destiny and no amount of presence or absence of external help could’ve derailed that mission indefinitely. After all the sucrifices they made, are the Eritrean people better off today? NO! But that of course is a separate issue [I am just mentioning this in passing to acknowledge Hayat’s description of independence as “bad or good”]. Peace!

      • Nitricc

        Rodab, I will be hypocrite and down right unethical if I had to deny the contribution of the Tigryans on the struggle for independence of Eritrea. Yes, the Tigrians has contributed with their blood and so do the Eritreans? To tell you to your face; Eritrean’s help to tigryans exceeds exceptionally that the other way around. To come out and say Eritrean independence would never materialize with out the Tigryans is down right STUPID!
        Amanual Hidarat came out selling his soul to the highest bidder and told has Melles was a second coming; we shook our head and we say nothing.
        Papillion came out selling her dignity and self-respect told us Melles was MLK and Mandela; we throw our hands up on the air and we said nothing and here comes Hayat with the ultimate insult and slap right on the face to our martyrs and to all heroes who contributed to the Eritrean independence.
        No, I am not going to stay silent on this one or any stupid attack that will come from stupid people anymore. Do you want the Tigryans, go to freaking Tigray and don’t let the door kick you on the azz.

        • Ermias

          Nitricc, some of this is out of context but I do agree with most of what you said. One way or another, Eritrea would have gained its independence from Ethiopia. Mengistu H.Mariam once said that “we never fought weyane.” The fact is when you compare Melles with Isaias, Melles looks like a God-sent saviour but everything is relative. That is why some of the people you mentioned praise Melles to such a degree. But I think Melles did more good than bad to Ethiopians. You couldn’t come close to saying that about Isaias with respect to Eritreans, at least post-independence. Don’t forget there is a lot of frustration among Eritreans so on a bad day you will find some people saying ‘let’s unite with Ethiopia.’ On my bad days I say ‘Ghedli killed our brothers and sisters in vain.’ The real test for Eritreans is to be out and about without their hands tied by the two forces – PFDJ and Ethiopia – and see if we can catch up with Singapore in a reasonable time frame, like two decades or so.
          You are starting to make good sense and defending Eritreans. If you turn the tide and join the opposition camp, soon enough we will be saying ‘Nitricc for President.’ I will volunteer to be your speech writer because sometmes you choose the wrong words.

          • Hayat Adem

            Come on, Ermias, the best hope you can have on Nitricc is that he becomes a normal person. Eritrea will never be able to survive another imbalanced person as her leader. No, thank you. But this dude would have been enjoyable had he known his limits. He has very restrained knowledge which he sprays it with unrestrained mouth. Give him a job of goat-herding where he would have zero chance of spoiling matters of serious importance. That way, the only worry you would have with him would be the extent of abuse he might practice on the non-political goats.
            ———————————–
            Nitricc’s soliloquy (imagined): “You stupid goats, you must have some kind of bad blood from the Tigreans to behave like that. I knew it, I remember your unhappy faces when I spoke of PIA last time. That is right. You can’t mess with PIA and hope to live free. You’ll be punished for that. We’ll send each of you to the national service where you will learn how to be disciplined and respect our heroes”
            ———————————-
            Eritreans (EPLF) too helped Tigreans (Weyane). Without a doubt. Would Weyane have succeeded without that help? I doubt it. I only mentioned the one side to counter the negative attack on Tigreans. Otherwise, my view is the cooperation was mutual and critical for each side to succeed. This is a living history that reminds us how these two people should remain forward looking to a sustained partnership for the next big generational projects of bringing development and defeating poverty. When they fight each other no one wins and they both lose. When they cooperate, they can achieve miracles. Goat-herders want us to engage each other for a lose-lose. WE should tell them, “NO”.
            ———————————
            I’m now reading a lot on recent history of our region. My findings don’t change my impression on the endurance and commitment of all Tegadelti in their resolve to conclude the struggle for independence with victory but my impressions about the same period don’t lend high grades for EPLF leadership. About 5 years from independence, EPLF was truly considering to settle with a negotiated federation from the Derg. This is history not my opinion or interpretation. Later again (this is even wierd because it came after the decisive victory on Nadew), EPLF was ready to negotiate for something like bigger than Federation but short of full independence with the Major Dawit group. On both occasions, Weyane upheld and stood with its core principle that Eritreans deserve full independence. There was no one single time the TPLF/EPRDF changed this principle and stance at all, even when its relationships were severed with EPLF or ELF.
            ————————————-
            I truly beleive the struggle for independence would have continued by the people of Eritrea until materialized. But recollecting on the past actions of the EPLF leadership and witnessing what they are doing now against our own people, victory on the struggle for independence would not have come to fruition this fast without the all time commitment and help from the Weyane. I do believe the Weyane’s support was also out of their own political interest and it was not merely done freely for the sake of helping Eritrea. One thing they must have in their mind was saving Ethiopia from an endless war.

          • Ermias

            You make some good points there Hayat. I also suggest you read some of Serray’s previous posts about EPLF. Oh my! He is razor sharp.

            Speaking of Nitricc, I am finally trying to make peace with him so please don’t tempt me to go nuts on him again. Having seen his weak side, I am feeling guilty for beating up on him so badly in the last few days. Something tells me he has a good heart. I must say though he reminds of George W. – someone you can flat out completely disagree but you can have beer with just as a lot of Americans voted for him on that premise only.

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks. Yes, Serray- nobody is like that guy…not only is he razor-sharp, he is light-fast, effortlessly free, and pretty deep. I would pay anything to read that guy everyday. Can you hear me, Serray, come out from you den. It should be worthy enough to save the Awatistas from tattering and immature discussants.

          • Ermias

            Okay, who are you calling ‘immature?’ Me or Nitricc? Do you want to talk boring Eritrean politics all the time? I can go on and on PFDJ bashing endlessly but it’s refreshing to sometimes digress and express your true colors. You can’t say all the things you say here anywhere else, not at work and certainly not at home.

            I will leave you with a quote from the great Semere Tesfay (to Nitricc) but I am using it myself too because it is a good one:

            “Always be yourself – speak-up your mind with confidence – swim against the tide – beat the odds – or simply be an Eritrean.”

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh no, NOT YOU, Ermias. B’sm’lah bel! Where did you get that impression? In fact, you are one of the few very knowledgeable (my 2nd time to say this about you) and well collected guy whom I would come more than half way to make you my friend. I would never see you as immature. Why did you say that?????????

            Nitricc is just Nitricc: he tries hard to provoke and make enemies a lot but so far without success- nobody wants to be enemy of him. He may not be a respected guy, but I have a proof everybody loves him. When we thought just someone (Semere) at last dared and came in the open to tell him “I don’t like you” to his face, he said he was trying to be sarcastic and he didn’t mean it. I wish Semere was trying to be sarcastic about that clumsy and dishonest article as well.

          • Thomas

            Hayat,

            You are one of the nicest on awate team. I like your peace keeping approach. I admire your patience. I wonder how you do it though. I don’t write on awate that often but I like reading your comments. You are an open minded and very knowledgeable person. Please keep the light on and you are the best. Nothing should be personal, we can critic each others ideas. That is best way to narrow our differences. If someone goes too far to attack your personalities, never apologize or compromise just stick with our ideas or unless otherwise convinced. That is the Eritrean way:)

          • Ermias

            Hayatina, I knew that would get you startled. I debated whether I should put “just kidding” in that comment but I thought you would figure it out. I meant it for humor. Sorry about that.
            You give me too much credit though and I am humbled by all that you said about me. The respect is definitely mutual. I actually have very limited knowledge when it comes to Eritrean politics but there really isn’t that much to know. It is out there to see for anyone with half a brain how brutal this PFDJ regime is and that we need to kick them to the curb. God I hate them so much specially IA and Yemane Monkey.

            I know the AT are very fond of Nitricc because I have seen them defend the guys a few times. He also does really cherrish this website, as all of us should do. He is generally pretty harmless and follows most of the rules except when it comes to me and Beyan. In fact, SGJ sees him as his son (I made that up). I have to admit one thing – I think I am obssessed with Nitricc because he just simply makes my day even when he mocks the heck out of me. It is just so sweet, kind of like a mother’s wrath, really not meant to harm. He cares a lot about my daughter too because he said many times he feels bad for her for having me as a dad.

            Knowledgeable is YOU Hayat and we are friends already! I call you voice of reason.

          • Hayat Adem

            Emmm…don’t scare me again:)

          • dude

            lol nice soliloquy, you know theres a subtle mostly subconscious prejudice here at awate, I got used to it a long time ago. To be honest, as enjoyable as that was to read, I do not see the need of your lets all sing kumbaya maverick streak there even if you convince most minds. This is just a statistical slice of the more sophisticated eritrean populace. You want them to be able to reason independently to that conclusion or you still have a huge problem. I think both countries have a shared common history of being governed by entities that like to play army. Your former junior partners decided a long time ago that they weren’t playing that game anymore. Their guy decided to lead a nation by leading parliament, I would sometimes go on youtube and watch keparlama program and would be very surprised that they’re talking about day to day boring government shit while cracking jokes at each other. Your guy is leading the nation by not having a parliament even for show. Twenty years later, they’re building a dam on the Nile and their country is already selling electricity to bordering nations while god knows what your guy is doing. Ethiopia still faces some major fundamental challenges but time has shown us it’s more important to have a system in place that can propagate verifiable improvements. Your guy is still playing army. Meanwhile, the prejudice prevents people from observing the very realistic and successful model of governance the EPRDF experience presents, many are more comfortable with zeraf temper tantrums and patting each other’s backs afterwards. I should start “Meanwhile in Eritrea” memes.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Nitricc,

          You told me that I sold my soul. How did I sell my soul my son nitricc? Do you have to attack with lies to innocent citizens to chat with you? Do you have to attack with lies for those who found themselves to oppose the narcissist dictator? Thanks to Rodab who gave few spoons of facts to feed you the historical truth provided you are ready to learn. Sometimes I don’t blame you because the leaders whom you adore don’t admit the fact what Rodab has given you to learn with. Rodab’s truth telling comment is what many of us had witnessed on the field. So (son) Nitricc cool down and give chance to your age to learn as the truth is coming to the surface . It might be to your surprise, but It is not that far, your Idol will start to negotiate with Ethiopia if you don’t come with flipping argument when it happened. There is no peace, prosperity, development to the nation we all love without negotiation. That is fact that everyone of us.has to grapple with. We have seen the outcome of refusing negotiation.

  • Ermias

    Hayat! I think I came across to you as being not super friendly to Ethiopians and Tigrayans. I do get irritated when a lot of Ethiopians hide their identity and argue on this forum against the movement we are trying to take forward to topple the PFDJ. They have sabotaged a lot of healthy conversations quite frankly on purpose many times. That is where I have issues and I get upset. Ethiopia has a lot of housekeeping to do itself and so making a mockery of our inexperience and learning process is not healthy and it is not helpful to both countries. We, Eritreans, need to run the course; we need to make our mistakes, learn from them and catch up with the rest of the world.

    1st- no humanbeing would be justified to talk down against a group of society –

    I agree. In fact, in my previous posts, I have said on many occasions that we now know Eritrea needs Ethiopia more than the other way around. This website is full of Ethiopians looking down on Eritreans because of our unfortunate situation at the moment.

    2nd- No people in the entire world can claim to be nobler than the the Tigray people, not just
    Eritreans but no one in the entire planet in any quality of measurement.

    That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it but I agree that Tigrayans are good people. However, I would say that all human beings are created equal as individuals but as a group of people, Eritreans far exceed any group of people in humbleness, fear of God, work ethic, honesty, beauty, being there for each other in good or bad, self respect and confidence. You will hardly ever find any Eritrean to claim another identity unlike some northern Ethiopians who claim to be Amhara for their entire life when they actually are not.

    3rd- Tigreans are just us, same in every quality of social personality and social character, and as an Eritrean you can’t insult Tigreans without successfully insulting yourself.

    It is hard to argue against this as you can’t tell the two peoples apart but there are very important subtle differences which I defer to experts.

    4th- Tigreans are the closest allies we have on earth when ever we want to undergo big dreams for
    ourselves as a nation

    On paper yes, in reality both leaders to get on board and listen to their people’s pleas.

    5th- What the hell do you get for yourself and for Eritrea by bad-mouthing Tigreans other than showing your stupidity?

    The only thing that could be interpreted as ‘bad mouthing’ that I have said is my reference to Beles but I didn’t mean it in a bad way, so if I offended anyone, I apologize.

    In conclusion, I am disappointed that you (Hayat) resorted to words such as ‘stupidity, bad
    mouthing, sin of backwardness…’

    I honestly do not have any strong feelings one way or the other towards Ethiopia and all its citizens. The only strong feeling I have is my deep resentment of IA and PFDJ and I get very upset when people who have not suffered at the hands of these evil criminals make a mockery of those of us and our families who have and are paying dearly to end this brutal juntas.

    • Hayat Adem

      I might have worded my thoughts more excessively than necessary in my effort to emphasize a message in which I believe I see the most important and an overriding picture. I retract those words stupidity, bad-mouthing and sin-of-backwardness as applied to you and Haile. I have heated emotions on things that impact ethio-eritrea future relations negatively. I just beleive in the sacredness of bringing the relations of Eritreans and Ethiopians to a level where we can unlock the opportunities of cooperation for the benefit of both nations. And for all practical and natural reasons, you can’t possibly imagine of doing that without winning a good faith and trust from the Tigreans. The benefit is mutual and Ethiopians, too, have a lot to gain by respecting Eritreans. Not just mocking on us on our current problems, even ignoring us would be foolish on their part.

      • Ermias

        I concur with everything you said Hayat. Nothing to be added to that well written comment.

  • Hayat Adem

    Appeal to Awate Team,
    It seems there is a new rule that forbids members of the team not to post and interact in the discussion forum as individuals. That may have been a reasonable policy if it was believed the presence and participation of members and hosts were to crowd-out and intimidate the rest. However, I truly believe interactive shots from members like Sal were more encouraging than discouraging, more enlightening than intimidating, and more softening than suffocating. If my guess about this new rule is right, I appeal to the team to reconsider allowing team members to freely interact as they used to with the old format. Let me know if others in this forum also feel the same as I do.

    • Horizon

      I was not aware of it. If so, be sure, without input from those brilliant minds, Awate.com will not be the same. Nobody wants to miss their extensive political knowledge. Most of us come to learn.

    • Ermias

      Hayat, there is a brain-drain going on here. I kept thinking they might be on a sabbatical, particularly SAAY but there are so many others missing, leaving lots of room for me Mr. Lowly to take charge around here. Beyan, Amnuel, Papillon, Yodita, Serray, L.T., Meron and many others. A lot of these smart people are not very computer savvy and they get extremely stressed out when there is software or system changes. I see it at my work place all the time. Let’s give them a little time to catch up but I know SAAY is a geek when it comes to these things so I too am puzzled when it comes to AT – new policy? Maybe…

      • Hayat Adem

        Lol. Well, a different kind of brain drain. @awate, it is safe to exit and return as we don’t have a shoot-to-kill policy here.

        • Ermias

          You can even change your identity, gender, ideology, religion, what have you.

      • testtttt

    • Zegeremo

      I don’t think so!!! I mean who would spend his precious time reading the same comments over and over- bashing DIA 24/7.

    • Nope, we are still here…we only have a few urgent tasks to get out of the way and it’s taking most of our time…

  • haile

    Selamat Seare,

    (Seare’s reply is in both mine and Hayat’s comments, here goes reply to both)

    I read you brother. There is a problem with the way you have it configured though (I read your reply to Hayat too). In all those ups and downs you mentioned (which we’re all proud) WE made history and an outsider was involved. Today, you are trying to repeat that against Eritreans! It is Eritreans, who are the rightful owners of Eritrea, that you are up against. So, if anything, your reasoning supports our stand for justice. Eritreans fought and won against injustice in the past, so shall they do at present. The justice that we are seeking today is rule of law, and so it was in the past too. Rule of law will triumph over tyranny! Any problem with that?

    • Hayat Adem

      Any problem with that, Seare?!

      • Seare

        Selamat Haile and Hayat,

        Well first your first question Hayat. I guess you wanted to know where I see Eritrea and Eritreans in 10 years. The result based on simple interpolation of the last 100 years history of the country and people is:
        -> In 10 years time Eritrea and Eritreans will still be fighting against all assortment of odds for survival. If we are lucky the fighting involves more ploughs than swords. However, we will most likely won’t have the chance to convert all of our swords to ploughs.

        Haile, I don’t have anything against rule of law.

  • haile

    Is it time to bring hgdef out of the fake warmth into the cold to face the music ?

    • Ermias

      This is the organization Higdef despises so much. Miwtsa’e do wela zuret do aynfetun ena endo yibl ayneberen eti anjal ayo’om ab Kenya.

      • Yemane Johar

        I cant stand looking at this loqmats Hasawi …God I hate higdef!

  • haile

    lol….Zegeremo! boring? I would think worrying is the word for some…wow

  • Ermias

    Guest, you pass barely. For a beginner, there is no Awraja Anseba. Tselot is the commonly held belief for IA’s village but we all know he comes from far away. I am trying to connect the dots here – there might be a blood relation between Nitricc and IA as they are rumoured to come from the same kilil in Ethiopia. Nothing wrong with that but I like to know who I am dealing with.

    • Guest

      Ermias, I think you are not only loosing your mind but also loosing your eye site. I put Anseba(Senhit) that means Keren is in the old awraja Senhit and todays is in Zoba Anseba. I think you ask Nitricc that you don’t know the correct answers.

  • Rodab

    Deqi Eri,
    Madote and Tesfa News are THE places to visit if you are interested to know what the regime of ours is upto. Over the past few months, these cites correctly forecasted diplomats’ and dignitariies visits to Eritrea. Interestingly enough, some of the news didn’t make it to the notorious State media. My guess is, Tweeter man Yemane G/M is behind all these. The regime is using these cites to dissimate information which it is uncomfortable doing so through its official mouthpieces. Good for the public. At least we get some info. Peace!

  • Ermias

    Trivia questions to Nitricc (for all to see that he is not Eritrean just as I have concluded with absolute certainty):
    1. nay bhre kunama wana ketema menya
    2. keren abeyeneyti awraja t’rikeb
    3. shadshay werar abeynay amte mihret tekayidu. Answer this with some details, like who attacked who and the build up to it etc.
    4. nab Adi Abeto beyenay blocko nay asmera gherka yikyed
    5. kab maytemenay nab edaga hamus do yikerib welas nab edaga arbi
    6. aziyu hibub derafay suwu’e ‘zura emo hagerka’ elu ziderfe menyu
    7. Tegaru kab arbe rebu’e nab asmera enda amtsiu entay yishetu nerom
    8. b weg’e nay Isaias Afwerki adu elu mebzahtu hizbi Eritrea z’amnela adi entay tibahal
    9. hizbi nabra kebiduwo temariru hito tehatitu, ’emo lamba dina ab gegezakum kinedlekum, begi’e kinhardelkum zbele menyu ab kebabi 1993-94.
    10. “shikor, shikor, shikorya shikor zeywetsa aber” elu ziderefe hibub harbegna ertrawi derafay men yibahal.
    This is upon condition that he doesn’t print and take this to his Eritrean acquintances for help.
    Dodging these questions means that he doesn’t know the answer.

    • Nitricc

      · 1. nay bhre kunama wana ketema menya
      ·======= Massawa
      2. keren abeyeneyti awraja t’rikeb
      ==============· Zoba Debub
      ·
      3. shadshay werar abeynay amte mihret tekayidu. Answer this with some details, like who attacked who and the build up to it etc.
      ·==================== 1994
      4. nab Adi Abeto beyenay blocko nay asmera gherka yikyed
      · ===================By Semenawi Mibraq Sahil
      5. kab maytemenay nab edaga hamus do yikerib welas nab edaga arbi
      ==========================· Senita
      6. aziyu hibub derafay suwu’e ‘zura emo hagerka’ elu ziderfe menyu
      · =====================Wedi-Tikabo
      7. Tegaru kab arbe rebu’e nab asmera enda amtsiu entay yishetu nerom
      ·=========================== Marijuana
      8. b weg’e nay Isaias Afwerki adu elu mebzahtu hizbi Eritrea z’amnela adi entay tibahal
      ·========================== Eritrea, more specific, Ambereb
      9. hizbi nabra kebiduwo temariru hito tehatitu, ‘emo lamba dina ab gegezakum kinedlekum, begi’e kinhardelkum zbele menyu ab kebabi 1993-94.
      · =====================================Nelson Mandela
      10. “shikor, shikor, shikorya shikor zeywetsa aber” elu ziderefe hibub harbegna ertrawi derafay men yibahal.
      ===========================================· Qorchach
      This is upon condition that he doesn’t print and take this to his Eritrean acquintances for help.
      =======================· I am sorry I got laugh at this one. Are you that retarded? Oh may
      Dodging these questions means that he doesn’t know the answer.
      =========· I am not Eritrean. I am teddy from DC. Go visit my web-site.
      How old are you, man?

      • haile

        hahaha… I use to buy no.7

    • Guest

      1. Barentu
      2. Anseba(Senhit)
      3.1982-1985
      4.Blocko Keren
      5.Edaga Hamus
      6. wedi muhur
      7.Beles
      8.Tzelot (ney bhaqi adu)
      9. Isaias the lion of Nakfa(you baby cry)
      10. Alamin Abdulatif (Btgre)

    • Hayat Adem

      Ermias and Haile:
      You too! That was what Julius Caesar spoke up on finding his brother who turned against him in favor of his enemies: “You too?” I refuse to believe this bad omen in some Eritreans talking down on Tigreans as being benign and inherent. 1st- no human being would be justified to talk down against a group of society, 2nd- No people in the entire world can claim to be nobler than the the Tigray people, not just Eritreans but no one in the entire planet in any quality of measurement, 3rd- Tigreans are just us, same in every quality of social personality and social character, and as an Eritrean you can’t insult Tigreans without successfully insulting yourself, 4th- Tigreans are the closest allies we have on earth when ever we want to undergo big dreams for ourselves as a nation. For example, bad or good, the independence project would never materialize without the support of Tigreans. Also, it would have been more harder for Eritreans at this time without the wide-arm welcoming support from brothers and sisters of the south border. They are hosting our running youth and in some cases in a home like situation, even allowing 1500 youngsters to attend universities with full scholarship. It is good these size of youth is staying next door because when change comes it can readily be repatriated to Eritrea. And think of any big project for future Eritrea, you would never rule out the support of Tigreans if to become successful. 5th- What the hell do you get for yourself and for Eritrea by bad-mouthing Tigreans other than showing your stupidity? I can tell a million problems and damages you can cause but tell me one good reason you can ever think of positive gain you can bring by offending Tigreans?, One single advantage? If we can’t get this point home in the mind-set of Eritreans, it is very hopeless to think of other dreams for Eritrea. When Haile (usually very careful) and Ermias (knowledgeable but easily irritated by Ethiopians) are part of this sin of backwardness, it plays against the high hope I hold for these two fraternal people. Think of these two peoples mobilizing their resources for development and in support of each other…
      Don’t we have few more people who would think like our prolific writer Amanuel Sahle? His was exemplary: he is a writer, he wants to be with his society; he can’t be in Eritrea; so the closest place he was able to find in terms of geographical and cultural proximity was Tigray. He preferred to be in Tigray when he can continue living in Sweden.

      • haile

        Hayat,,, whoa

        Where did you feel I might be irritated by Ethiopians? I don’t Know about Ermias, but for me when Ethiopians are openly and candidly contributing here, I more than welcome it. Even the rest are ok although may not add value. I don’t think they shouldn’t contribute though. Good or bad, they should , just like everyone else. My policy of interaction with Ethiopians is one of mutual respect and free from unwarranted expectations. I real life, I have many great relationships with Ethiopians even if I personally have not been to Ethiopia much (just a brief transit stop by many years ago). Yet, I feel I have done well to speak Amharic and of course Tigrinya being my language. Please note that healthy relationship is what I aspire for 🙂

        Regards

        • Hayat Adem

          Haile,
          The “irritation’ thing was meant for Ermias not for you. And I know how respectful and cautious you are on the matter. I was just chastising you for re-echoing Ermias on his derogatory item (#7).

          • Ermias

            I replied to you but it ended up in the wrong place and I asked for moderator to move it but hasn’t happened yet. I have been posting free but now the annoying “awaiting moderation’ is back for me.

          • Hayat Adem

            I’ve read it there and posted some comments to that

          • haile

            Hayat,

            Yah, I see now. Actually a little misunderstanding there, my reply was meant to Nitricc who said marijuana for an answer – thus poked fun at him by saying I use to buy marijuana (which is not true). In fact, there are many Eritreans who sell Beles nowadays in Asmara, and I never agreed with the derogatory implication made there to associate it with Tigrayans. Be them Tigrayan or Eritrean, those are poorer families from the countryside who supplemented their income. A very honorable thing to do in my view.

            Regards .

          • Ermias

            I sincerely apologize for that derogatory connotation in reference to Beles. It IS apparently a cheap shot and that is wrong.

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh..OK, thanks.

      • Ermias

        Dear moderator, please allow me to move the post below to the right place.
        Hayat! I think I came across to you as being not super friendly to Ethiopians and Tigrayans. I do get irritated when a lot of Ethiopians hide their identity and argue on this forum against the movement we are trying to take forward to topple the PFDJ. They have sabotaged a lot of healthy conversations quite frankly on purpose many times. That is where I have issues and I get upset. Ethiopia has a lot of housekeeping to do itself and so making a mockery of our inexperience and learning process is not healthy and it is not helpful to both countries. We, Eritreans, need to run the course; we need to make our mistakes, learn from them and catch up with the rest of the world.

        1st- no humanbeing would be justified to talk down against a group of society –

        I agree. In fact, in my previous posts, I have said on many occasions that we now know Eritrea needs Ethiopia more than the other way around. This website is full of Ethiopians looking down on Eritreans because of our unfortunate situation at the moment.

        2nd- No people in the entire world can claim to be nobler than the the Tigray people, not just
        Eritreans but no one in the entire planet in any quality of measurement.

        That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it but I agree that Tigrayans are good people. However, I would say that all human beings are created equal as individuals but as a group of people, Eritreans far exceed any group of people in humbleness, fear of God, work ethic, honesty, beauty, being there for each other in good or bad, self respect and confidence. You will hardly ever find any Eritrean to claim another identity unlike some northern Ethiopians who claim to be Amhara for their entire life when they actually are not.

        3rd- Tigreans are just us, same in every quality of social personality and social character, and as an Eritrean you can’t insult Tigreans without successfully insulting yourself.

        It is hard to argue against this as you can’t tell the two peoples apart but there are very important subtle differences which I defer to experts.

        4th- Tigreans are the closest allies we have on earth when ever we want to undergo big dreams for
        ourselves as a nation

        On paper yes, in reality both leaders to get on board and listen to their people’s pleas.

        5th- What the hell do you get for yourself and for Eritrea by bad-mouthing Tigreans other than showing your stupidity?

        The only thing that could be interpreted as ‘bad mouthing’ that I have said is my reference to Beles but I didn’t mean it in a bad way, so if I offended anyone, I apologize.

        In conclusion, I am disappointed that you (Hayat) resorted to words such as ‘stupidity, bad
        mouthing, sin of backwardness…’

        I honestly do not have any strong feelings one way or the other towards Ethiopia and all its citizens. The only strong feeling I have is my deep resentment of IA and PFDJ and I get very upset when people who have not suffered at the hands of these evil criminals make a mockery of those of us and our families who have and are paying dearly to end this brutal juntas.

      • Ermias

        Hayat! I think I came across to you as being not super friendly to Ethiopians and Tigrayans. I do get irritated when a lot of Ethiopians hide their identity and argue on this forum against the movement we are trying to take forward to topple the PFDJ. They have sabotaged a lot of healthy conversations quite frankly on purpose many times. That is where I have issues and I get upset. Ethiopia has a lot of housekeeping to do itself and so making a mockery of our inexperience and learning process is not healthy and it is not helpful to both countries. We, Eritreans, need to run the course; we need to make our mistakes, learn from them and catch up with the rest of the world.

        1st- no humanbeing would be justified to talk down against a group of society –

        I agree. In fact, in my previous posts, I have said on many occasions that we now know Eritrea needs Ethiopia more than the other way around. This website is full of Ethiopians looking down on Eritreans because of our unfortunate situation at the moment.

        2nd- No people in the entire world can claim to be nobler than the the Tigray people, not just
        Eritreans but no one in the entire planet in any quality of measurement.

        That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it but I agree that Tigrayans are good people. However, I would say that all human beings are created equal as individuals but as a group of people, Eritreans far exceed any group of people in humbleness, fear of God, work ethic, honesty, beauty, being there for each other in good or bad, self respect and confidence. You will hardly ever find any Eritrean to claim another identity unlike some northern Ethiopians who claim to be Amhara for their entire life when they actually are not.

        3rd- Tigreans are just us, same in every quality of social personality and social character, and as an Eritrean you can’t insult Tigreans without successfully insulting yourself.

        It is hard to argue against this as you can’t tell the two peoples apart but there are very important subtle differences which I defer to experts.

        4th- Tigreans are the closest allies we have on earth when ever we want to undergo big dreams for
        ourselves as a nation

        On paper yes, in reality both leaders to get on board and listen to their people’s pleas.

        5th- What the hell do you get for yourself and for Eritrea by bad-mouthing Tigreans other than showing your stupidity?

        The only thing that could be interpreted as ‘bad mouthing’ that I have said is my reference to Beles but I didn’t mean it in a bad way, so if I offended anyone, I apologize.

        In conclusion, I am disappointed that you (Hayat) resorted to words such as ‘stupidity, bad
        mouthing, sin of backwardness…’

        I honestly do not have any strong feelings one way or the other towards Ethiopia and all its citizens. The only strong feeling I have is my deep resentment of IA and PFDJ and I get very upset when people who have not suffered at the hands of these evil criminals make a mockery of those of us and our families who have and are paying dearly to end this brutal juntas.

  • Zegeremo

    Why my comments are not published?

  • Nitricc

    yes, i was taking care of my web-site, the web-site i was given. it is running now. Ermias go check it out. you are that dumb.
    Lol Hayat, you are not suggesting I am Semere Tesfay, are you?
    God have mercy, hell no.
    Let me tell you this, self worth means everything to me. I will never disguise my self under any one, under any circumstance, take that to the bank. I never care about my reputation but I die for my character. Just to tell you a few.
    Regarding Semere not liking me, well I am neither running for personal popularity nor for office, I really don’t care. although I can understand that why semere will say that because Semere does’t even respect and like himself, evidence, why not replay and answer awate-team’s request of clarification. Why is he hiding? Because he has something to hide! When you have something to hide; you compromise your self-worth, character and integrity and then you have nothing left.
    So, hayat, I am Nitricc, the only one and the defender of the truth. I bend to no one; and I hide nothing!
    Ermias, I could have told you the brim but obviously, you are not that bright. When a Tigryan came out to give me a new identity and a web site because I posted an article against the Tigryans, you bought it. How dumb are you? I truly feel sorry for you.
    Again I could have told you but there is no reason; you are too dumb.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Nitricc:

      I don’t hate you and I don’t hate anybody. I was trying to be sarcastic; that’s all. The reason: me and you are the only odd people (misfit) in this form. As to hiding, I’m not hiding from any one now, and I never will. As the case with me and Awate, they want me to do few things, it took me longer and I chose to be quite until I finish what they want me to do. That’s all. If anybody wants to know more, ask the Awate team.

  • Ermias

    I take issue with anyone who says the opposition needs to put alternatives to PFDJ on the plate. What will the opposition do post-PFDJ? How come they only criticize but they don’t have a charter for the future? How will they be better? All of these are questions that make little sense to me. We need to rescue the nation and its people first. That is by toppling the PFDJ regime. Once that is done, a transitional govenment comes in, drafts a constititution (the one we have could be a starting point because I am sure there must be some good articles in there but probably some not so good ones too). Then elections follow. Maybe I am naive but I have the least of worries as to what could follow post IA and PFDJ. We don’t have deep rooted divisions. We can’t tell one group of people by virtue of their religion, ethnicity, region, political views etc from another group. Plus, Christians are everywhere, muslims are everywhere, saho are everywhere, Tigrinya speakers are everywhere so how are the targets going to be confined. I urge all of us to stop worrying about post PFDJ Eritrea. That day when we will say ‘the former dictatotorial regime of IA and PFDJ…’ cannot come soon enough for me.
    On a more enlightening note, is anybody wondering where Nitricc is? Well, rest assured he is fine. He just got smacked really hard a couple days ago and he is taking a little time to recover. His return is quite doubtful but Tigryan people are storied to be quite strong and he might come back soon. I wonder if he will keep his nickname or will he show up as ‘revolutions, oromay, or teddy?’ We will see. I am staying tuned.

    • Hayat Adem

      What are the odds that Nitricc might come back with more than a name-change? You never know. It is so irony that Semere dislikes this guy and I don’t.

      • Ermias

        As much as he despises and resents even my very existence, I don’t dislike him at all but I was completely taken aback when Semere explicitly stated that he doesn’t like Nitricc.
        Anyway, just in case you missed out on Friday (I believe), there was a very enlightening spell going on here where we now know with great certainty that Nitrcc is not who projects himself to be. We know that is not his real name of course but his character. He has been just toying and having fun with us just as a lot of us suspected. Do you notice sometimes he writes in jibberish and sometimes in perfect English? I have even read him using the word ‘dicombobulate.’ I know awate.com will not appreciate me digging too much into this rather than real issues but Nitricc has done a wonderful job of reflecting the exact nature of PFDJ for the most part because there was no specificity but in general terms he did pretty well to embody a PFDJ sympathizer. It is a great redemption for me to have destroyed my sworn personal enemy and a PFDJ sympathizer, albeit very likely a fake one. Thank you AT for allowing me to rejoice.

        • Hayat Adem

          Yes, I did miss that in deed. Oh Nitricc…he sounded too authentic to me to have impersonated pfdj for fake. Good to know!

          • Ermias
          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks a lot. That will help me catch up on the last chapters of our friend Nitricc…

          • Nitricc

            Last Chapter? lol Hayat
            I was here long before you and i will be here long after you are gone. I have posted for you and Ermias, i don’t know where is. it will show up and read it.

          • Hayat Adem

            Here you are! It is not that I don’t want to see you around. I do.

          • AboyTesfay

            Nitricc, the long serving awate member will not go anywhere. I think awate should award him maybe give him his own space like “Hidmoy”:)

          • Nitricc

            Thank you aboy Tesfay. lol tell them as is. lol nice!

  • Zegeremo

    This is why we can’t forget the painful past 🙁

    http://www.madote.com/2014/01/1990-frontline-video-showing-ethiopias.html

    • Hayat Adem

      What about the painful present and the gloomy future?

      • haile

        Hi Hayat,

        The lead article that was posted with the video answers your Q. It refers to the current sufferings as “trivial matters…” In fact, this is a cheap reaction to the recently released HRW report 2014 on Eritrea. Their motive is of course, to defend the current atrocity that they are held accountable by a child’s counter argument to avoid responsibility “but Mengistu did such and such too” type. If you show them the extent of their current crimes, they’ll accuse you of using tragedy for politics, while it is halal for them to prostitute a war front-line events from a quarter of a century ago to try to gain a political mileage. By all standards, life under the independence struggle era was brutal, but what is even more brutal is however, after all that many Eritreans are forced out of their country under brutal life conditions. Dergue was by far more humane to us outside of the battlefield (at least people worked and lived, and they had never seen pure sadism of the current type in peacetime). This however, shows you how desperate things are for them to try to use decades old footage of the battle of Massawa. Many children of those brave fighters of that time have also died in Lampedusa, Sinai, Libya, Egypt… to escape the brute who replaced the guy we fought against.

        • Zegeremo

          Haile

          The DIA-is-worse logic is boring and outdated. DIA’s crimes do not justify Mengust’s genocide against Eritrean people. period. BTW is this the haile the great? wow!!

      • Zegeremo

        The article is clearly saying Mengestu committed genocide, which is a serious crime that stays in victims’ mind for generations to come. I was expecting any reasonable person to condemn the crime and come up with healing advise for the victims and for all Eritreans in general. But instead your response is basically DIA, although he hasn’t committed genocide, is bad and worst, so get over it. got it!!

  • haile

    Just ask where prisoners are, and you will be woyane before you finish your sentence. Your IA issued Eritreaness has limited shelve life. Anyway, here is another guy who danced and clapped to show how he was ‘building’ his country. The parallels may not be exact but can compare well. BTW can you give us a link of deliberation by Cabinet of Ministers that is not silenced out?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU-4O6ND6mI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    • dawit

      Your cut and paste video does not match the real EastAfro video. Nice try. Your hero Idi Amin was planted by your kind of bosses to destroy Uganda, by destroying President Obote and you are trying same game to destroy Eritrea.

  • Horizon

    It is a pity that still there are people who think that negotiation between Ethiopia and Eritrea is a zero-sum game, where one gains everything and the other loses. They should have known that there is no reason why anybody would go to any negotiation
    that is not going to end in a win-win situation. Otherwise, war is the only alternative, where theoretically at least, the winner gets everything.
    Negotiations should be a two-way street, where the interested groups meet middle way, where both Ethiopia and Eritrea would come out of it winners. Those who are on both sides of the isle, Ethiopians and Eritreans, who think that this stalemate would end by the one winning everything and the other bankrupt, are in a
    dreamland. Let us hope that we would not be making the same discussion ten years from now.
    The Algiers’ Agreements are more or less dead (at least as much as some pundits are concerned), killed both by Ethiopia and Eritrea, and future negotiations in good faith, between the two people is the only way forward for a permanent peace and prosperity. No outsider can impose peace on Ethiopia and Eritrea, and no peace would come without solving the injustices made to both countries. Peace is in the hands of the Ethiopian and Eritrean people. They are the only ones who can bring it to existence, not Mr. Cohen, Mr. Shin or anybody else.
    Those who want to perpetuate dictatorship in Eritrea by presenting Ethiopia as a monster are on the wrong side of history.

    • Hayat Adem

      good one.

  • haile

    Selamat Tewelde

    I agree on what you said in #1 but I’ll save you pointing out the obvious, mostly to do with the who & how parts.

    On your #3, are referring to his latest seminar in London? Please forward us a link, if one exists (I know some are not uploaded). This just to get at the context better. Did you at all ask for clarification? Because most of his seminars have Q&A section.

    Let me be frank here, Wedi Vacaro called most opposition leaders before his launch of the seminars, they apparently were all silent. Ostensibly, he is not a politician but an elder with good standing. There has been a public statements regarding his tour made by various opposition groups or individuals. What is the point of public media scrutiny, when the purpose of his seminar was to scrutinize all issues inside the seminar hall? IMO he has key workable plans and his flamboyant remarks are not key policy directions. There is still time to properly align any group’s partisan interest with his overall message of calling for rule of law in unison. The opposition needs to be aware of the real costs, to their log term interests, of politicking side issues in this juncture.

    Regards

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Seare,
    Haile said it better and nothing much to add. But given the
    current trend, what kind of Eritrea do you see after 10 years? What was
    your impression of Eritrea in 1991? What was your impression of Eritrea
    in 2000? Today? 2020? If you are honest, you should be very worried
    about the trend. Any length of time you are willing to support PIA, you
    are willing of becoming an easy prey for the guy on Ethiomedia. Shake
    the shackle, brother!

    • Seare

      Merhaba Hayat:

      I can even go back further in the past so that you get the whole picture.

      ->Eritrea was deleted from the map in 1962.

      ->Eritrea was almost liberated in 1977.

      ->Less than 12000 Eritreans with no support at all were fighting the whole Ethiopian army in 1982 (1:10 or 1:15) with huge support from the Soviet Block. The out numbered and out gunned patriots came out victorious.

      So there are always ups and downs in our history. We are going through a hard time right now but this will also come to pass.

      • Hayat Adem

        Seare,
        I asked you to share with me how you read the future (given the current trend) and see if you still can support the status quo. I didn’t ask you to go further back and dwell on the hardships of the past. Are you feet carrying you forwards or backwards? If the latter, they are not doing you good.

  • haile

    “prove you are genuine Eritrean.” ንዓምኻ በሎ።

    There is no “complex internal dynamics” in Eritrea, it is either hgdef takes it all or if one asks for justice they get leave, get jailed or killed. IA’s atrocities on OUR PEOPLE (goddamn MY PEOPLE) have now become a liability for the world to look the other way. Yes, security liability and moral liability. UN is CIA, AU is CIA, IGAD is CIA, USA is CIA, EU is CIA, all world community is CIA is nothing more than a cheap gum your loser chews on.

    Eritreans can’t work in their country because of CIA, they can’t be let out of national service because of CIA, they can’t till their land because of CIA, they can’t have private sector because of CIA, they can’t sell their produce because of CIA, they die in refugee camps, Sinai desert, high seas, foreign jails all over the world because of CIA, demhit have children from wives of national service because of CIA….blah blah Who are trying to kid? Go get the silent majority…they are silent because of CIA…

    • dawit

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCY5hP5CqcE
      PIA celebrating Eritrean Independence with his people. That is proof. You are running 24/7/365 digging dirt about PIA while he works defending and developing Eritrea with his people, not your people. Why did you bring CIA in the discussion while the topic is PIA. Typo error? Haile you don’t work for CIA, I believe you work for TPLF/EPRDF who are paying you for your service of trashing Eritrean legitimate independent existence. Eritrea under PIA will not reverse direction because of US, EU AU or UN cheap propaganda against its people or its leaders, because Eritrean people fought for their independence and will pay anything more to keep it. Sanction or no sanction Eritrea is standing on its feet.
      Long live PIA and Eritrean people

  • haile

    seare,

    That guy may have a long time before coming to power in Ethiopia, but he has been already in power for the last 23 years in Eritrea by the name Isaias Afewerki. The Eritrea you dreaming of in the ghedli time has long been a distant memory. In case you didn’t know, Eritreans are deeply divided, many are in refugee camps and dying horrible death to escape Eritrea, it economy is meager and mostly based in contraband, international sanction has been placed on it to make it illegal to procure armaments even for self defense, the dictator has long refused to be accountable to rule of law and can decide whatever he wished (doesn’t need anything from you other than mindless clapping).

    Eritrean youth can’t live normal life in their country and you better have another thing coming when you suggest they would buy in to your deal of outsourcing death to them in order to massage your ego. IA has been doing his distraction and undoing of Eritrea in full gear since 2001. Now he has reached the stage that the country is close to total disintegration and complete fall to abyss. The UN is mandated to import weapons for defensive purposes into Eritrea and foreign intervention may be likely. If you think you can fool anyone try it but won’t succeed.

    Demhit are in in Asmara, an Ethiopian Mekuriya is in charge of censoring at the Ministry of Information, many Oromo origin Ethiopians are in charge of security detentions (shela enda tseta). What are you afraid of? No one is coming to you anyway!

    Good luck

    • dawit

      “the only people who put greater emphasis on the role/removal of an individual leader are foreign interests; because foreign governments don’t give a damn about the complex internal political-dynamics of a given nation. All they care is about their interest. And their interest could be protected by simply removing a single leader that is hostile to their interest, with a corrupted one who is willing to destabilize his/her country to serve their interests.” Semere Tesfai

      Haile the what? before you dance allover the place disprove the above statement and prove you are genuine Eritrean. Your relentless bashing of President Isaias and shading of rivers of crocodile tears about the youths of Eritrea here at Awate.co will not persuade the Silent majority to your evil camp. They are saying nihina nisu, nisu nihina

      Long live PIA and Eritrea

    • Seare

      Merhaba Haile,

      Abeden! The dream for Eritrea is a one that never dies. The dream is not anchored to individuals like PIA, time or location.
      Rest assured that there will always be Eritreans as before who will be always ready to defend the country.
      Please also read my reply to Hayat.

  • Hayat Adem

    I miss Yoditta and Papillon, too. I would have loved to see Serray more often. L.T. is more lovely than I thought of initially but I never understood his stuff.

    • Rodab

      Now that you’ve reported back to work, we have one good friend less whose whereabouts we have to worry about…

  • Seare

    Here is why we the so called silent majority tolerate the current government:
    Read this wonderful article:
    http://www.ethiomedia.com/14store/5620.html
    Sooner or later this guys will come to power. If that happens, it is not good to start from scratch as in 1961.

    I guess those of us who are interested in the existence of the country should rather tolerate this dictatorship and get ready to break the dreams of Amhara once more. Isn’t that what Awate would want us to do:-)

  • dawit

    To begin your article you or the
    publisher has put a forged Eritrean currency with a picture of Issaias. What does
    the picture represent? It seems whoever put that forged 100 Nakfa is a
    worshiper of the Lion of Nakfa. Those who have put the picture believe and warship
    ‘DIA’ as a dictator, and think the rest of us will follow. Well the trick may
    persuade non Eritreans, but would not work for the typical Eritreans who
    identify themselves with the leader of their country PIA.

    Like the picture the rest of the article is also forged full of fabricated lies, starts with the sentence,

    “I remember the face of one compassionate Italian mayor – full of sadness for
    people she didn’t know – clearly showing her deeper humanity.”

    This is a typical ‘Uncle Tom’ mentality, trying to blame the Eritrean government for the accident, even though the survivors reported how the Italian government deliberately allowed the ship to sink. The Eritrean government publicly announced that it was ready to pay the full cost of transport the bodies of the victims to their country and give closure to their families. But who refused that? Then you put forward your typical dismal proposition ‘the day after’. Read the article in this website by Semere Tesfai, you may learn about the history of the people who are taking care of Eritrea and its bright future.
    Long Live the Lion of Nakfa and Eritrean
    People!

    • tewelde

      Let me be on record to say I also hate the image awate team chose to go with the article, but for reasons that are totally different than yours

      tewelde

  • haile

    Here is a mention of “The Day After” in the context of how things would rather look like soon after the dictator is gone.

    Is Andebrhan at the ICG?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBqzRJEOqsg

    • Rodab

      Nice link Haile,
      This is the first time I hear Andebrhan utter something against the regime. In my opinion, Ande is one of the top 10 personalities the regime lost through defection. That list includes Mesfin Hagos, Ali Abdu, Andebrhan, Haile Menkerious, AdHanom G/M, MuHyedin Shengeb, Hbret Berhe, Abdela Adem, Weldab Issak, and the one and the only – Wdi Vaccaro.
      Of cousrse the regime lost even higher personalities through jail or death that include the G-15 and the latest G-? among which Abdela Jabar, MusTafa NurHusien and AHmed Haj Ali can be mentioned.
      This begs one fundmetal question: After all these heavy losses, what exactly is keeping PIA in power intact? How smart could the man be to outdone everyone!?

      • haile

        Hi Rodab,

        A word from Elsa Chyrum (citing a source in Eritrea) says that Abdela Jabar and MusTafa NurHusien have actually died after sustaining heavy injuries from beatings for refusing to supply information. G- ? is actually said to have been recipient of the bloodiest treatment of all. A recent escapee from the warsay who were in the forto incident confirmed 26 of his fellow agelglot in that operation had been executed. Very sad indeed.

  • Rodab

    Where are our good friends Yoditta, Papillon and L.T, among others? I hope everything is fine wth ’em.
    Actually L.T is over there in Assenna confusing the hell outta ppl 🙂 I did miss his stylish messages though.
    Hey AT,
    The system is working nice so far. Sometimes disqus is a bit slower to load comments and asks me ‘hey I am running slow, should I reload’? to which I say ‘nah’ coz reloading never works for me. It is much better In smart phone & ipad.

  • haile

    Selamat Awatista,

    In the spirit of Teweldo Estifanose’s assertions of talking the future, there appears to be increased movements that are trying to bring about a change of regime in Eritrea through:

    1 – Immediate military takeover (in reality the situation seems ripe for such, even without anyone calling for it)

    2 – Define a transitional period to implement the Constitution, register organized political parties, hand over power to a representative parliament and call for general election among duly registered parties.

    3 – An elected party would assume the seat of government for the duration of its term.

    How do you see such scenario as a way forward?

  • Ermias

    This is why I have been asking for ethios to mind their own business. You have 90 million people to worry about with greater issues than us Eritreans. We have one and only one problem and that is isaias Afwerki. Once he is gone, it will be happily ever after for us because we love and cherish each other regardless of ethnicity, religion, and region. Again my dear ethios, don’t call us, we will cal you. Thank you for your patience while we weed out the PFDJ beast. Ethiopia Tikdem, I hope that makes you happy.

    • Taazabi

      Dear Ermias,
      Thanks for the motto: Ethiopia Tikdem. That is very nice of you:-) Please DO NOT generalize that you all love and cherish each other. No one believes you because it is totally unexpected in any nation leave alone the fractured Eritrea or Ethiopia for that matter. Be careful of what you are praying for, you might get a worse leader than the Lion of Nakfa. We have there in the same situation and we do not forget what we got. But still, I wish you a happily ever life which I assume, sadly, that you will not see it in your life time since unkind leaders outlive innocent people like you. Cheers.

  • Taazibi, it would be nice of you to stop generalizations. When you accuse Eritreans of a certain behavior, in general, one would assume you know them all. Eritreans are not represented by the dozen or two that you know. Please be kind and recognize that we are at least four million…

    • Taazabi

      Dear Moderator: There is nothing wrong in generalizations that are based on my observations. You are right that I do not know the entire nation but I do not need to know the attitude of the entire people to generalize what I observed. No generalization is universal; there are always exceptions. Unless you deny the obvious fact, Eritreans are divided on Awraja lines as Ethiopians are divided on Ethnic lines. Do all people agree with this? No. But is it false? I don’t think so. If the Lion of Nakfa is removed you will see the Awraja politicians fighting for the little Eritrean pie like any other politician we see around the globe in the name of Awrajas. I would see my good friend Ermias be unhappy when that happens. Thanks.

      • 1) Our Awrajas are electoral districts and candidates running for their districts is a democratic voting process. Politicians elected from district serve the interest of their constituency… so don’t make Awraja look like a ghetto and a gangster enclave. 2) when you make blanket accusation, at least you should put a disclaimer. Your reference is the exception not the rule (meaning, insignificant number of people do not represent the majority) You took the few people who annoy you and extrapolated their behavior on the entire nation. That is wrong. Even pollsters declare error margin in their scientific findings. Have you entertained the idea that your sample is so small to reach such a serious conclusion? I think your error margin is 99.99% 🙂 Grave error, just that.

        • Taazabi

          Although I disagree with your analysis, I liked your response and humor. Keep it up.

  • haile

    Hey Awate Moderator,

    It seems my problem is solved!!!

    • Yeah, it took us a while to sift through the many similar nicks that suddenly popped up. Glad to hear you reclaimed your nick 🙂

      • haile

        Thanks AT. Keep up the good job.

  • haile

    Selam Tewelde,

    (This is from haile (the real haile of awate 🙂 , I will soon make some time to email awate and discuss how to resolve whatever I am doing wrong to log in with my usual awate account.)

    I have three brief reservation with the article above:

    1) The title gives the impression that the discussion deals with practical issues related to “the day after”. There was no substance in that regard.

    2) What you mention as “Meles Vision” has nothing unique to Meles. Meles affirmed it like many other African and third world countries. It is rather a wish than a vision. I have no clue what it has to do with us Eritreans or why you want to tell us that. This of course doesn’t take away from anything that Meles has done for his country.

    3) Wedi Vacaro is not decisive. He said nothing ill-intended towards naturalized Eritreans. Many have made formidable contribution to the making of independent Eritrea and NO ONE questions that. Wedi Vacaro is pointing to the heinous tactic of the IA regime to use people who are likely to feel nothing towards the barbarity that he is committing against our people. Look at all its diaspora Cadre, most have either not been born in Eritrea or feel alienated from Eritrean mainland. All deqi arbae or others don’t have that insecurity, but those who have are used as accessory. But that also includes Eritreans that are not deqi arbaA but born outside and lived outside and have no feeling towards their people. Again, these are few being used Wedi Vacaro didn’t say anything outside of their lending a hand to the regime. Dehai use to be a lively Eritrean discussion forum back in the days, and PFDJ thwarted it with a Kombolcha, Ethiopia born Eritrean and all other Eritreans were ejected and he made an eye sour of Dehai…Sofia, Gideon… have many issues These deqi arbae or not the selection mechanism is that they have no sympathy to Eritrean people hence can implement IA plan of barbarity.

    Wedi Vacaro has his own credo and reputation, it is honest and respectful to work with him with dignity and humility. Please don’t try to make such unfounded observations. Even the flag issue is valid. I like the current flag but Wedi Vacaro has just educated us about its genesis and legality. We can vote for it and becomes our flag, no problem with that, but he hasn’t said any ill intended stuff. If the organized opposition wish to come in from the cold through him then they need to show some respect. He is no joke, and his life achievement speaks for itself. The same as the opposition achievement speaks for them.

    Peace out

    • tewelde

      Greetings Haile,

      Brief comments on your comments
      1) The task ahead is so huge, it will take groups of seasoned experts to come up with the needed end-to-end details – what exactly needs to be done, how much it will cost, how it will be financed, how long it will take to get to the end goal etc. The article was merely pointing out the urgency of shifting our conversations so these important tasks (the economy, public health and education as broad priorities) start occupying our minds instead.

      2) Please see paragraph immediately after. At least, that was my attempt to make the connection.

      3) Regarding wedi vacaro, you said “it is honest and respectful to work with him with dignity and humility”. To which I say “of course!!” and I said more than that in the article. Then you advised: “Please don’t try to make such unfounded observations”. Good advise but misplaced in this case. I maybe paraphrasing but what I heard is that “wedi Haji has no business hoisting the flag at the UN because he is wedi arbEa”. To me that is wrong becuase for every so called wedi arbEa we would like to blame for crimes against Eritrea, I can probably name 10 or more so called ‘full blooded’ Eritreans, who have done no less.

      tewelde

  • said

    The ghedli years of (less than 5% matters ).Whether we
    will admit it or not, some Eritreans engage in politics like mafia member-like
    thinking that destroys their ability to broadly and divergently think,
    critically think and even consider the truth when the truth challenges the
    group-think of the “mafia “. That practice barbaric action that is
    void of even the slightest ounce of compassion.
    The tragedy, painful and soul-wrenching death of Lampadusa
    is just one sad episode of many painful and horrific example. Many other
    unreported and unaccounted killing and murder operations by the regime are
    equally cruel. Even though the practice has only been going on in since 1970th
    unabated .At time nobody asked the reason for summary execution .for what reason,
    why is that? which will have exposed the
    dark side and reality of IA and his gangster
    group within EPLF , it is well known fact , volunteer innocent young men, a heroic
    freedom fighter fighting for their lives ,and simply to be accused
    wrongly by their own murderous comrade
    as they are chased to their deaths,
    somehow we are collectively
    guilty as humans that should evokes
    something sacred in us and we
    should empathize. Taking innocence humans lives and that
    killing our own brother, a fellow human being is grossly unethical. Illegally,
    and morally bankrupt regime. If we cannot put an end to these kind of killings,
    then I suppose we live in ethically. Spiritually, morally bankrupt compassionless
    society. Some ordinary Eritrean everywhere, have voiced their outrage over the killing,
    murder and slaughter of innocent lives. And they continue to protest.

    Once you join or support the DIA regime you are member of Mafioso
    gangster, your heart and mind closes off to the rest of the Eritrean and you’re
    capable of doing anything for the boss as a thugs…

    Yet many of us that deny we ever engage in the counter-productive
    group mentality, as described above unintentionally allow ourselves to be bound
    by this closed in group mentality and that the DIA regime is well known in
    deliberately in shuffle and shuttle cohort and obedient minsters into adopting mafia mentality through divide
    and conquer tactics based upon ethnicity, region, religious, political, and all
    sort of affiliations.

    If Eritreans are
    truly honest with themselves , somehow .we will all one way or another
    must admit to having engaged in
    “group –thinking mentality ” at one point in our lives, and perhaps
    of still engaging in these counter-productive thought patterns today. It’s time
    to make change and come clean, honest to the self and deconstruct this type of
    counter-productive mentality so that we can change ourselves and around us and
    awaken to the truth and always to choose what is best for the greater good of
    humanity over what is best for our group only as we move forward for better tomorrow.
    Separating ourselves from closed group thinking will be essential for not only
    Eritrea but survival and for a positive mental health state.

  • Tsaada Igri

    But my friend Tewelde, you say ‘we should judge people by the content of thier character’. I completely agree. And that is what Dr. did and that is what many eritreans are doing; they are judging PFDJ by their character. The few main shakers and movers of PFDJ, PIA at the helm, are Deki Arbiia. One must be very naive to think that the reason PIA put Deki Arbia around him and make the main decision makers is pure coincidence. One has to be stupid to think that PIA’s reason to put Kisha, with all his incompetencies and corruption habits, above the head of Eritrean national Bank, Ministry of Finance minister, and all the other PFDJ run companies is just sheer chance. One has to be a goon to think wedi kassa is head of security because there was no one more experienced, loyal and ept than him. One has to be stupidely oafish to think that PIA’s plan to put Yemane monkey and Charlie on top was just a hapazard action. The list of examples could fill pages. These clearly show the color and characterstics of PIA; and therefore enough reason to judge them accordingly. People did not pull this idea that we are being rulled by deki arbiia from thin air. Eritreans saw where things were going and like when you play chess, when PIA pulled people out of no where and put them in key places that is when they started to be suspicious. Look at our embassies man, people with no history and background are more powerful than the puppet ambassadors. Cause Vs effect my friend. No one questioned him at the very begining or before independence. But now that is what is happening unless you would want to live in denial. Last november’s Demhit case is more than enough. So get down off the clouds. Wake up; smell the coffee. If you are confused, just keep it to yourself.

    • Taazabi

      Why are Eritreans so narrow minded and think in line of their ‘mender and sefer’ (village and precinct) instead of the merits of the leaders? I don’t care who rules as long as they are just and democratic. The Lion of Nakfa would stay for long given the fracture of the opposition which is sharp tongued with no substantive actions. Long live ISSU – who is half Eritrean and half Ethiopian. If he has no place in Asmara please send him to Addis. We need his wisdom and leadership.

    • The_realist

      @Tsaada Igri !
      Thank you, you brought it to the Point, so is the reality. We only watched and applaused the whole tour of our struggle how DIA became the sole owner of “our ERITREA” through dictatorial passages. He punished us, he killed us, he did anything he wanted, we didn’t even knew our target, the way on which we were going on! Even now the Situation is not better, nothing has changed. We Eritreans are comndemned to do nothing that is concrete and planed! Who else is going to bring us then the success/victory we are dreaming of? Only words don’t help at all. Look how many parties and civil societies had we till 1991 only. Why are they all 100% condemned to fail? And this history of “start to fail”,…etc is still going on. We put further our hope in Wedi Vacaro. This is naturally okay, but our weakness is, we don’t have any controll mechanism to check in definite Milestones whether we are moving right Forward effectively to the desired target or not. This must be corrected now, if we really want to get rid of the “Wederbea’tat ” in our home. They have the right to live in our Country, but not to dominantly reign the land of our forefathers with hidden agendas.

  • AOsman

    Selamat Tewelde,

    I attended the London meeting by WediVacaro, initially I thought he was in his 70/80s as he looked a frail man, until in his discussion it was apparent he was younger than DIA. Even though he is not in good health, when one sees him giving his whole speech standing, it shows his passion and the audience appreciate that.

    He presented himself as an action man, his record working for PFDJ proves that, but he also sounded naive which I thought it may have helped him survive as he was giving so much while it was clear PFDJ was abusing power.

    As you pointed out two issues I found surprising:
    1. At least twice I heard the mention that we are ruled by “Deqi Arba-a” which was strange, considering in the West with some less than 10 years of stay in a nation we expect to be treated like the natives. What made it more surprising is that the Dr claimed the main complaint of the G15 was that they did not want to be ruled by “Deqi Arba-a”, referring to his one to one discussion with some of them….that is a disservice to himself or the G15.
    2. On the question of working with the opposition….we have been there many times…..the holier than though attitude. His one was an interesting one, well he has apologised, sought forgiveness to the public and repented. The reason he would not work with the established opposition parties is that they did not do so “they remain in sin”. In the opposition many take precautions to shrink the number of criminal entities in PFDJ, to few hundred, countable by the fingers or DIA only, to avoid unnecessary conflict in the future. Instead of using similar strategies, until in future Eritrea in peace and individual victims are able to seek justice in a stable country, those messages will get us nowhere. What about those who have not participated in any crime, why the single brush…..

    Apart to the above criticism, one can appreciate his hard-work, passion and only support him in the fight against dictatorship.

    Some of the positive highlights
    1. He is able to galvanise support, the place was packed and he was received with a warm welcome.
    2. Clarity in his message and his empowering the public and his seeking of concent.
    3. Presenting the what next after the public meeting…setting up committees, brach offices, legal team….etc..
    4. His commitment to take the criminals to the Hague
    5. Showing understanding the difficulties faced by all sector of society, being comfortable with regionalism and as a business man understanding the suffocating environment to work and live in Eritrea.

    Regards
    AOsman

  • Kokhob Selam

    well said.