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The Eritrean Lowland League: An Introduction

Background : I am not someone who is ruled by some “dictatorial chauvinistic regime” running my mind. I am of the belief, however, that women have ways of getting things into your head if you are a man simply because only the survivalist concerns that they raise (when they are serious and acting feminist) are true and cannot be ignored because there can only be one truth. It could also be in the way women tend to frame their arguments and not necessarily in the truth contained in the arguments. I will give an example: a few months ago, a good friend of mine and me had a little discussion with a female family member around a simple question that she framed. Why is it that, when almost every Tigrigna may go to visit his/her family in Eritrea at will (unless they choose to make a political statement by not doing so), nearly all lowlanders (including PFDJ supporters) get into a phobia every time they think of doing what most Tigrigna take for granted? The truth that my friend and I could not skip was that there was something wrong in what lowlanders are doing.

A few days later, another good friend introduced me to the Eritrean Lowland League (ELL) and some very encouraging lowland activism. I became convinced that this time, the ELL is the way to go and hopefully for good. I did make a few first-impression comments about the ELL’s Wathiqa in a previous article, which were not very favorable. Later, upon recommendation from the influential friend, I tried to read as much as possible on whatever has been written on the ELL and discussed the subject with some enthusiasts. I have still not formally joined the ELL but have come to view myself as an unregistered member. I love the grouping (my kind of people) and I am impressed by their ability to expand the organization so fact. I do not speak for the organization in any formal or informal way and nothing that I write or say should be taken as representing the organization or its membership in any way. This article (and others) is intended to contribute towards the call by the ELL’s leadership for discussions and competitive process of redefining the text and context of its future. This is not a Born-Again kind of U-Turn so hold your horses for now.

This introduction is a summary of what I managed to understand about how the drafters of the initiating declaration – commonly referred to as “the Wathiqa” (the document) – viewed the rationale for the initiative to establish the Lowlanders League as a separate civil society organization within the organized political opposition in the diaspora. The summary as I have presented is by no means neutral as I might have cherry-picked the ones relevant for useful discussion.

THE BOUNDARIES

The declaration starts by establishing Eritrea as a nation of diversity hence the license for each demographic component to express “its future ambitions within the frame of the existing reality of the Eritrean diversity”. This “existing reality” of course includes lowlanders as an integrated unit “characterized by close blood ties and social kinship relations, and that shares deep inherent economic modes of production”. This integrated unit is presented as having faced similar “challenges and upholding similar aspirations” of relations within the (internal) unique geopolitical space as well as with cross-border extensions in Sudan and Eritrean components in the highlands.

In a clear warning not to stretch the claim of ethno-religious homogeneity more than it is needed for establishing the minimum denominator for political alliance, it is noted that this unique region is itself a diversity of other unique components. One extreme example of this diversity is “Kunama”, which is described as “an original part and clear manifestation of the colorful diversity” of the lowlands. As this was just an example, the reader (of the Wathiqa) is encouraged to pick other examples, such as the Afar with fishing nets, the Blin and Mensa’e with big Crosses, the Tigrigna speaking Jeberti, the Saho on hilltops, the Hidareb with sharp blades, the smuggler Rashaida, or the Hawsa with ties to Boko-Haram. The bottom line here is that if you are able to give an example of anything then by definition you must have a prototype – in this case the prototype of the standard lowlander – in mind.

THE RATIONALE

The introduction does make a very strong argument that the rationale for establishing the ELL is not on the claim of internal homogeneity of the region as the lowlands is presented just as diverse and the whole of Eritrea, but on the ability of its component parts to abide by the rules of peaceful mutual respect and coexistence for generations. It essentially defines the concept of unity in diversity as difference of characteristics and unity of character of component parts of society. The Wathiqa defines diversity as “a model of peaceful coexistence across time” maintained through the conscious effort of the components to remain true to the character of “mutual respect and recognition, [and] shared interests devoid of the usurpation of the rights of others”. The problematic of the underlying prototype lowlander dictating the structure of the politics of power and wealth in the initiative is to some extent controlled by the condition that the model of unity in diversity be defined as “the complete absence of any [relations of] domination or exclusion” attributable to pre-determined sociopolitical structures.

Two examples of the claim of cultural decency and political pragmatism in the initiative are worth mentioning. The first is the case of the Afar in Dankalia, who are defined as an integral part of the lowlands as defined in the document, but excluded from the call to join the ELL as an organization. The document does not present what I thought was a convincing argument as to why they should be excluded. However, friends more familiar with the ELL argue that the Afar already have a well developed and widely respected political organization with uniquely defined political vision and would be disrespectful to intervene with disruptive processes that would fall on deaf ears anyway. The second example is the exclusion of highland Muslims (the Jeberti and Saho) from the call to join the ELL. Regrettable as this might sound, I believe (from following the debate) it is well justified by the pragmatism of the need to define territorial limits for any demographically structured political claims.

STRENGTH & WEAKNESS

The Wathiqa presents two examples of success stories to establish the feasibility of the capacity of the lowlands (thus defined) to reproduce yet another success story. The first example was that of “the Rabita … [as] testimony to the fact that this society not only fights injustice in all forms but can ultimately win despite all odds. The second example was that of the ELF … [which] not only paved the way for Eritrea’s independence, but … [led] to the downfall of both Haile Selassie and Mengistu regimes. In both examples, of course, the weakness in the claim is obvious as neither the Rabita nor the ELF can really be defined as local lowland movements: not in the scope of their visions and definitely not in the composition of their ranks. What would the RabiTa look like without giants such as Kebire? This flaw leaks further into the document leading its authors into dividing the Eritrean armed struggle into two phases. In the first phase, lowlanders are the only characters in the show until the end of the 1960s. In the second phase, lowlanders hand over everything to Tigrigna highlanders and disappear from the scene camping in refugee settlements in Sudan.

The document mentions two sources of potential drawbacks that might act against the success of the proposed project. The first source is behavioral, “attributed to the prevailing pastoral mode of living”, which amplifies the impact of the natural tendency of individuals “towards individual freedom and independence rather than to conform to strict centralized and collective mode of relationships and control.” According to the document, consequences of this structural flaw have proven disastrous to the RabiTa and other liberation era organizations by fueling fragmentation. The proposed solution: “society needs to look into these weaknesses and address them effectively instead of trying to avoid them.” A few blessings in disguise (in the document) justify the optimism of the ELL to be able to build something out of the mess. The “armed struggle … helped the people to conform”; “stability created in countries of refuge, [and] access to education”; and little things here and there to induce “adaptation to the necessity of hierarchal organization.” The elitist premise of the argument of behavioral drawbacks in the document essentially frames the problem as that of nomads who would not rally around their leader and not as that of a bankrupt leader who is unable to come up with appealing ideas worth following. Were the RabiTa and ELF success stories because they attracted a special set of conformist nomads or because they, in addition to a well framed cause, had charismatic leaders to begin with?

The second source of weaknesses is operational, primarily caused by “the lack of cohesion and unity of its political and civic forces, which “exposed its land … to great perils and its history to … distortion. The proposed solution: lowlanders are called upon to rescue it from its current state of dormancy … to reclaim its usurped rights. The document recognizes the magnitude of the challenge especially with the chauvinistic regime … [and] opposition elements … aiming to demote and belittle the lowlands. It urges that the destructive capacity of these actors not be underestimated. Supporting observations include: Eritrea “lost the opportunity to be an independent country in the 1950s”; “lost too many lives in the long war”; allowed the “EPLF … [to pursue] its exclusionary policies since inception”; “the country risks being dismantled”; and “opposition … [is aiming] at making cosmetic reforms … [to] the status quo.”

THE TRICK

The trick (out of operational drawbacks) in the document is a three-step process: put your own house in proper order”; “realize democracy, justice, and social equality”; and go for restoration of denied rights”. Although the document is clear about the first thing that should be done, i.e. putting own house in order, it is not clear whether lowlanders should first join the rest in realizing democracy, justice, and social equality”, or they should first restore the denied rights and then join the rest. There are a few clues to help us guess that the preferred route for the authors of the Wathiqa follows the three steps in the stated order. First there is the excessively pompous language around how lowlanders dumped all other options and headed for full independence”, which of course ended into annexation and untold horrors. Second is the boasting about standing up fighting tooth and nail … [for] the cause of national independence, which was eventually handed over to the demons. Third is the pride and exhilaration towards lowlanders for preserving the unity of Eritrean land and people leading to the heart-breaking frustrated declaration that lowlands cannot afford to pay the bill to preserve the unity of the nation on its own”.

The document questions the wisdom of blindly working for unity with a party that it primarily holds responsible for Shifta gang attacks and later the commandos”; “Unity Party and their associates”; “compelling the people to abandon … independence”; “the scorched land policy”; “wide spread lootings, genocides and exile”; and “forty years later … [victims neglected] in refugee camps. According to the document, in the face of these horrors, lowlanders had no option but to take arms in opposition. Here in the opposition where you least expect, the document says, similar elements took it upon themselves to “side-line [the lowlands] and belittle its role, history and chances of equal and fair involvement. Their goal: hampering it from playing a leading and competitive political role in replicating history by “spearheading of the opposition movement against the current dictatorial regime. The document argues that, in spite of these malicious actions on both the government and opposition sides, it is virtually impossible to even think about “absenting or marginalizing … vast geographical as well as population proportions from the struggle for a better Eritrea without also destroying Eritrea in the process.

The document states the government part of the conspiracy adequately around at least four tangible grievances: Shifta-inspired land-grabbing policies and operations, conspiracies to block long-time refugees from returning, harassment to chase out lowlanders from the country, and human rights violations targeting lowlands activism around those grievances. The opposition side of the conspiracy was not clear (for lack of familiarity with opposition politics). Questions for someone like me would include: Which lowland group was hampered from leading? How was it possible that when lowlanders make up the majority of the organized opposition, someone is still able to “absent and marginalize”? Which lowlanders are “lowlanders” in the opposition according to the ELL and who is doing the marginalizing?

FLEXIBILITY

Asking more of these questions and leaving them unanswered, however, is what furnishes the context of ambiguities upon which the ELL expects to define a distinctive political space shaped through the call for debates and competitive proposals through a democratic process. On we go to the next article thanks to ambiguities!

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  • Ted

    Abinet, “When it comes to the Badime war, it is tplf that benefited out of it . It brought tplf to ethiopians. It removed some of the grievance towards it . It used it exceptionally well.”

    Why do you think it is working for TPLF to play that tune for 15 years and counting. It is because there are consumers for that sentiment in Ethiopia. In that respect to say TPLF “still is” supporting Eritrean independence wholeheartedly is contradictory. TPLF has played the card Ethiopians(now) and Eritreans(in the past) for its cause, staying in power. It is dishonest of the opposition group to exclude the the fact that Ethiopians and TPLF feel negatively about Eritrea sovereignty and to tell us to move our focus something else” important” is evil- intentioned.
    I agree with you when you say
    “Now, why is Badime important to ethiopia. First it is a national pride. It is a trophy to show. Second, the more tplf squeeze eritrea, the more it gets legitimacy from the citizens. There is always that nationalism card ready to play with.”
    Moreover, irregardless of the binding agreement, they(TPLF) try their at most to sabotage our independence if things aliened to their way.

  • selam

    Dear Hayat this a reply to your 50 or 60birr reply
    It is shame to debate about the past but i feel forced to say the following

    what do you want to say about the business integrity ?, Ethiopians has no merit in keeping their vows forget about integrity.

    are you blaming the Eritrean ? How about the 77,000 Eritreans hard work people who lost their wealth in seconds in Ethiopia . How about if you write about these familes who own houses, garages , and so many bank accounts worth millions of birrs got snatched in Ethiopia. You know who took the money , properties, cars , whole business structure, gold and even hard cash money . What kind of blind mind will try to twist such scale of robbery in to this 50 birr .

    As a matter of facts we Eritreans should ask Ethiopia compensation for the wealth we have lost in Addis abeba and other ethiopian cities.

    • Hayat Adem

      Selam,
      Whatever it means, it is a true powerfully dramatic story that deserves to be told. My point was to show how interwoven and roundabout the fate of the two countries is so much so that a total cut off and walled separation seems to be impossible. Natural ties and proximity of the two societies are so strong and hard to break them off. Even if the polities wanted to give back to each other, the natural threads are there to reappear and resurface as reminders of the fraternity of the two peoples. I had not passed judgement there and the purpose is never that.

      • selam

        A lot of the other issues raised certainly sound somewhat dubious at best. People should know that it is of pretty ugly quality and its origins murky to say the least when they twist things .

        • Hayat Adem

          What is itching here, Selam? Spell it out. The future should look bright not dubious. We can engineer it to be one. This is 2015. Hermon Baraki is Tigrean. If this young aspirant singer from Mekele can seek help from Korchach from Asmara to piece her music together over a phone, and she gets it, what can be the problem to tune our future towards that rhythm as a society? Hate and grudge are destroyers. And they destroy their owners first.
          http://tigrigna.voanews.com/content/article/2662185.html

          • selam

            Hayat ,It is completely different issue. I am not saying we should live in 1998. I already told you it is a shame for me and for you to pick and spell beans from the past . It is you that bring the integrity issue and the money issue . If you want write on how to bring the two people together you should have said another thing. I am happy tesfalem helped Hermon ,

          • selam

            Oh i forgot , how many ethiopian singers cheat Eritrean songs and used the song to in rich themselves and tarnish Eritrean songs with their Amharic language.

            Just to remained you few from many

          • Hayat Adem

            You are at it again! ዝለብምኪ እናመስልኪ ብዙሕ ኣጋጊኺኒ- ሾኸርተት! ሕጂ ጥቐሲ ወይ ዘርዝሪ እንተይለኪ ትገብርያ ዶ? ነዛ ናይ ቆርጫጭን ሄርሞንን ጥዕምቲ ታሪኽ ክተበላሽው ኢልኪ ዘይትፈልጥዮን ጭብጢ ዘይብሉን ነገር ትዛረቢ?!

          • tes

            Do you expect a PFDJ to be wise? Just a question for you HA.

          • selam

            You moron tesfe , have no clue you . She questioned Eritreans business integrity while dumping the suffering of your people in Addis abeba in 1998. I hate IA and oppose him loudly but i will not trade my people’s suffering to get some support from very few . Off course you have not experienced this .

            While you oppose the current dictator you should stand firm on defending the true suffering of your people.

          • tes

            I know how to handle you selamey shikor. Cherkiki kederbiyeki ye gena.

          • selam

            Tesfe you are fighting back tears, determined to honor this horrifically brutalized sense of urgency with your own dedication to the case, you proceeds with utter failure of your arrogance.

          • tes

            The good thing is I don’t care about your gibberish words as I know when you spill them out. Hypocrite, gual hidirtina

          • selam

            Stay civil do not insult , What is that you want , I do not need any prove to tell to people like you , how deep i oppose HGDEF. By saying that i do not think your daughter mam is some how evil.
            I hope you got married to a wise woman.

          • tes

            Is that your last weapon you have?

          • selam

            I can actually do great things , i mean nice staff , show me what do you have in store .

          • tes

            For PFDJista, I have nothing except weeding-out.

          • selam

            Great then we should start civil argument with out insulting.
            1. Do not jump on things before reading
            2. Do not be bossy
            3. Understand every one has the right to express his ideas and how she/he feel about certain posts.

            Argue with people on things that does n’t need insulting

          • tes

            Serious now selam habtey,

            How fast you became a regionalist and started to accuse the highlanders by favoring federation with Ethiopia in the 1950s?

            tes

          • selam

            I actually stated about that. So you better read

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            I read it. This is what you said, “I want to correct my post in reference to article from 1950 where Mahmud Iraba was editor in chief of the arabic news paper in Asmra.” This shows your ignorance about history. You just read it now and corrected it. But, for such long time, since you started to fight against PFDJ, you had that deep belief within you, the highlanders as favoritists of federation. Were you such unknowledgeable about history? Was it a hidden driving force that might hight you to some extent as I can read from your posts frequently?

            Why you pretended selam? Your shallow and hate based knowledge is spot-on every now and then. Little knowledge is dangerous and here is what I see in everypost you do.

            Dear selam, please learn. I could have debated with you, discussed with you and argue in a more fruitful way. but since I read your ignorance and hate based approach, I started to react. I feel sorry to do that but sometimes it exposes the ignorance of some really ignorant people.

            Therefore, as I stated again and again, I have nothing to debate with you except exposing you. I will continue till you learn to become a responsible citizen who work and fight for peace and integrity. I am not knowledgeable person but through the reaction that I create people may intervene and help us to learn. this is my objective of using Newton’s law.

            Else, I hope you will learn your shallowness about Eritrean history. It is because of our failure to learn from history that we are now where we are. Saying this, I rest my case for today and the past but I can not say I will do for all time. But I will try to be civil with you no matter how grave mistake you do. And when you loss the ground, don’t go beyond the person you argue with. I am here with you and say what ever you want to me. I have all means to absorb what you say no matter how gibberish you utter.

            tes

          • selam

            I do not go out and make mistakes , then say sorry . I make mistakes because i am human . Unless why will i put myself on that .I don’t need to take any thing from you about Eritrea , i would love to take it from written documented history that is way i have this 600 pages of gazeta eritrea from 19540 to 1952. You are the least person to debate me and i would not like it any way. The reason for that is, you are not civil at all.

            what is that you say about my mother then ? you have been insulting me from the start. I do not take your words serious but some times you cross the red line again and again . I do think we (I and You ) agree on the great things. But you keep insulting me So chose your enemies carefully.

            You have to know tesfe , you are open book for me. I can see every page of you. This is not like the old Era mail post .This is the internet Era in which you have limited control over yourself.

          • tes

            Imagine you didn’t have that as many Eritreans do not have it. Could you not have accepted the correction forwarded to you on time? I didn’t correct you, remember this and hence there is nothing to take from me.

            Why then you archived 600 pages gazeta but you never looked them before? Aren’t you a database analyst? You were expected to know more than anybody why datas are collected. Datas are not collected to be shelved but to be analysed. If not, there is no need to collect as they are simply bulk of written materials.

          • selam

            May be you have wrong understanding how these 600 pages are staffed and found .I have corrected it when i found out about it , mind you though there are a lot of things HGDEF does not want to tell you in school so just stop pushing me . I just have access this two weeks and i am doing my best ok. As i am not good in Tigrina so give me time . Again I am not like 30 or 40 years old and have this document with me for 10 years.

            I said sorry so nothing left for me to argue about that

          • tes

            Age is of course wealth. And when people aged more than 45, like, like Amanuel Hidrat, you didn’t welcome them. You can’t because you are a closed mind. An open minded person learns.

            Ok, you are claiming that you have an access for this 600 pages of 1950s news paper. You are data expert. It is 3:07 AM in Eritrea. You are aged less than 30. Well, are you there for a voluntary service, I mean, according to YPFDJ, “NIHAGEREY KIKEYID YE? KISIWELA YE, dehar Kimiles ye”.

            Well, You are from Bilen people, you were supposed to speak Blin (Blin gabrakhuma welas dishkilya gin enti, kedo, ewil akan gin enti mendersrakh? emin gabi). And now, you are telling us that you don’t speak Tigrigna very well.

            You are less than 30. Thanks to your mother, mothers are always very genereous, they give everything they have. You are lucky, you got your education even without a loan. By the way, in Eritrea, you don’t need that much money and for college, you don’t need a penny. Everything is for FREE. Hence, you must have studied in foreign countries.

            Then after finishing your study, you went back to Eritrea. There are some yes, who really love their people and go to serve. The office of NUEYS and NUEW are the most hosting institutions. Then, PFDJ, very rare but there are some in Nakfa Social Science School (Cadre School, which I studied there too) and very very few are in colleges. but those in colleges are either with Msc, which is very rare to find but most are with PhD (most I mean from the few, most of them).

            If you are in PFdJ office, I am quite sure that you have access to even more than you mentioned. I know the research and documentation center of PFDJ is very resourcesful, I know it very well.

            Then, who are you else except YPFDJ, the gangsters group, who have no knowledge about except being GANGSTERS? These youth group became useless because of PFDJ system. They could have much more useful if good system nurtured them. But thanks to Yemane Gebreab’s propaganda, they are changed to useless individuals and unfortunately, you are ONE of them. Spoiled girl. I feel sorry about you.

            tes

          • selam

            No way i will never come to serve a dictator , do not make me angry now .

            About the money for school in Eritrea , it is not free some one is getting paid just 600 nakfa per month tesfe and work every where day in day out. The largest labor force in one company is based in eritrea with the lowest salary on Earth , actually that makes me sick and go out and say no no no no no no and get hungged on the wire but there is no power.

            Feel free from the suspension you have about me being HGDEF or what so ever.

            About the age i did not mean that way. .

          • tes

            You are getting angry but you hurted me by falsely using a fabricated history against my own people, whom he paid everything he has to make who I am today. I might be ignorant, stupid, unprofessional, arrogant or a moron according to your own words, but all what I will not od is that I will not let my people down. And when I see people using my people for his own political propaganda, this is where I get hurted and react. I did before here at awate and I will do it when ever someone hurted my people.

            If you are not a PFDJista, no need to proof me that you are not. I may bark simply and you might not cared for what I said. but since who you are, you are feeling it and you are trying to be Yihuda by trying to kiss the awate forumers as if you are innocent. You are an athiest and hence you might not care but Yihuda betrayed Jesus, the son of God for 32 shilings and he told for the crucifiers by kissing Jesus. And now, you are trying to knock every door possible through your deception. You remember what you did to me before by fabricating lies for the unsaid. For me, you can do anything you want, no problem as I can well rebuff you. But I will never allow you to do it against my people, the people of Eritrea, the lowlanders and highlanders, they both paid heavily to make Eritrea independent but are betrayed by people like you to make their vision come true and hence I fight for it.

            As for your hanging bla bla, fool to yourself. You are blood sucking YPFDJista residing in Asmara in the office of PFDJ to diffuse your venom against my people.

            tes

          • tes

            This is what I do. I kick you to the last where you can no more survive in front of me. I very well know your thermometer. It is in my hands and I will never give you back. I will use it when ever I have free time to use.

          • selam

            ,Tesfe
            It ‘s idiotic, poorly done, not funny, boring or in plain words – utter crap. You are not professional on doing that.

          • tes

            If you have an open mind and if you really know you ignorance, take a lesson from your mistake. I know my limit and I know I am a student here at awate hence I am not a professional, you are right. But, I try to be careful on our history.

          • tes

            If you have an open mind and if you really know you ignorance, take a lesson from your mistake. I know my limit and I know I am a student here at awate hence I am not a professional, you are right. But, I try to be careful on our history.

          • Hope

            Tes,
            I think it is better to meet Selam/Sara in Sedentary or Norway and proper to her as you both seem to be in a serious love!
            Good luck!

          • Hope

            sedentary = Sweden
            Proper= propose

          • Hayat Adem

            I never knew once born PFDJ means destined to die as one.

          • tes

            Indeed it is. But let’s try to expose them before they die. They will not confess but they will know how much dump they were finally.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Yes indeed. They never entertain diversity views. So they are destined to die “hade libi hade mental perception.”

          • Hope

            Elder Amanuel Hidrat,
            The following features are what one would expect from Elders:
            -good advice
            -respect
            -good counseling
            – teaching
            -exemplary /abnetawinet
            -persuasion
            -nonjudgemental
            -etc….
            Your rights and obligation:
            – challenge ideas,not the persona
            –respect people and their opinion
            -do not judge people /Selam by assumptions and speculations
            – no name calling
            -follow evidence based science as you do in Clinicall Pharmacy
            -etc….,
            Disclaimer:
            I have learned these over the time and my 2015 resolutions are to :
            -to loose 25 pounds or 13 kg
            – to practise what I have learned

            My point:
            You have no piece of Evidemce that Selam is a PFDJ or an under-cover PFDJ Agent or that she is Ms Sofia Tesfamariam.
            No matter what though, we have a right to say and to believe in whatever we want ;and are entitled to our opinion as much as you are entitled to!
            Your rights and oigations:
            See above!
            – persuade
            – advise
            – challenge ideas in a reasonable and constructive ways, not just to refute every constructive idea that pops up!

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            It looks like you are going to be lean and mean for 2015. Debaters beware! Welcome back. I almost missed you

          • Hope

            Abi Gonderiew!
            Enjoyed my home towns of Bahir Dar and Gonder besides having a unique fun at Soderie and Awash Resorts and I met my Kimant Gonderie soul-mate after 19 yrs!

          • selam

            well good for them then. what is that you want to say to help tesfe in his insulting dictionary.

          • tes

            selam,

            I never insult people but I use political terms that express people. So far what I used in order to express you are very few. You know that.

            A hypocrite – not only me but others also used it to describe you.
            Gual hidirtina – is a common mythical term that describes about hidden women and so are you in Asmara as per your claim. The other, as you are athiest, as per your claim, I could but I will not use it again for this matter.
            To handle you; I use it to describe my reading ability of your mindset.
            Newton’s law: you have used it more than I do as per your claim.

            What you said to me, do you expect me to put them one by one? I don’t care about how you describe me all I know is I am responsible for what I say. You have a free green card to use what ever vocabulary you want to use as far as you wanted to say so. I have a good sponge to abosrb them. And this is my mystery for being a happy and open minded man.

            tes

          • Hope

            Hayat,
            My apology for my interjection here!
            Cool down,please.
            Respect a sister !
            My opinion based on my observation and understanding this far:
            -Do not judge lest to be judged( correct my English please)!
            -No body has a right here to be the Prosecutor and the Judge at the same time!

            -To have a full credibility, we have to be honest and have to be able to tell the whole truth but the truth!
            -Avoid biased comments and biased analysis, rather, balance things!

          • selam

            what is that you want to prove ? It ‘s of course, utter baloney to rechannel things .

          • Hayat Adem

            በልስከ ሕራይ ንገርና ክንሰምዕ.

          • selam

            Well, i would have chosen another story for example the things you brought at last, like hermon and Tesfalem. But to synthesis the last history of the war time in business and money is not nice and not a good point to start with.

  • selam

    Some of you may take this as a weakness so you do not dare to ask apology but what ever you say i will ask my deepest apology to some who knows what it takes to ask.

    To these (Amanuel Hidrat, Sara, mahumd saleh , Gheteb , Gherhi , Tes and others) who read my comment about the federation time. I have stated that the highlanders were the reason we joined the federation. I want to correct my post in reference to article from 1950 where Mahmud Iraba was editor in chief of the arabic news paper in Asmra . I do not want to pass this claim with out giving my apology.

    Especially you my sisters and brothers from Eritrea deserve my apology and i am deeply sorry i make a mistake.
    Even if it was true i should not have stated that way .

    • tes

      From the very beginning, your head was full of straw selam. No need to apologize as you know nothing for what you speak except fulfilling your mission.

      • selam

        But i am with my own understanding and when i make a mistake i swiftly ask apology not to you may be .

        I have developed this courage to say sorry when it is needed at early age.
        I can read, you have arrogance in your DNA (just to you not your family or any thing).

        • tes

          This is not a mistake selam. This is a deep belief that hindered you from learning and be a peace generating woman. I have responded it above but I can’t take it as a mistake. It is an ignorance that I see within you. Because of your ignorance which has been with you till today, how much damage you might have caused by telling a false history to people. Thanks to awate forumers, they not only fight but educate also. but you came with empty head and you pretended as a woman who fights for justice when there was no justice within you.

          One can make a mistake on his own analysis but to use a non-existent facts for an argument that you have no clue about and that has a great damage to alomost 50% of our society is not a big a mistaken that no one can excuse. But I thank you as it is a lesson to learn from people who pretend as if they are fighting for good.

          You claim that you are a data analyst and you have a fantastic database on the thing that you claim “atrocities committed by Ethiopian government on Ethiopian people”, how then you failed to collect data on “who-was-who” during the Eritrean politics of 1950s. You are claiming that you are living in Asmara. There are two history books writtne by Alemseghed Tesfai, you could have read them already. They have very detailed information that one can learn from them a lot. But you have no clue about and you pretend as a database expert. This is shame to you and also shame to PFDJ as he only sent people like you to create division, hate and enemity.

          Therefore, be serious when you talk about history. For your political discourse, I can respect it even if you are a PFDJista. Because politics is politics as it depends to whom you propagade for.

          tes

          • selam

            Actually my mam paid for my school from grade 1 to the end . It is you that learned by the Eritrean money in Eritrean scchools. I actually do not believe PFDG paid for you. I do believe the Eritrean tax payers paid for you so do not give credit to HGDEF.

            To make it clear i have never ever used Eritrean money or Eritrean schools .

            Now you may take almseged your mentor to Eritrean history but i will not do that to myself. I have the chance to read every thing from writers and new papers way way before he started writing. Now
            I do not accept your allegation .I said i have made mistake and i corrected it.

          • tes

            Last weapon again.

            The good thing is, you are now using public properity to diffuse venom agains the people. No one gave you and you care about no one except getting rid of PFDJ, is that right?

            Is it because of your mam’s generosity that you are accusing the peopele who dearly paid their life for the independence to come true, the highlanders?

            Yes, you are right, my people paid all for me not PFDJ. Eritreans martyrs gave their life to have an independent Eritrea. These martyrs are from highland and lowland. You are accusing the 50% of the people that paid for my expenses to get education. And I do have a responsibility to tell who they are. They are not as you said.

            Eritrean people owns everything that I have if you believe that they invested for good in me as you are saying it. It is good that you dissociated PFDJ from me as a sponsor.

            It is within this line then I know nothing about others but about my people. My people wants peace and integrity. They want to live in peace with Ethiopia, Sudan, Dgibouti, Yemen, and all the international community. My people are not counting the past but wants peace Today.

            You are in Asmara defending PFDJ. You are using the best internet access that is not allowed to my people but to individuals like you to send hate and enemity to neighbouring countries and especially Ethiopia. You collect a fabricated data that blackmails other countries, especially Ethiopia, analyse and diffuse so that no one can live in peace.

            This is against the wishes of my people, the people that gave all they have to educate me. I owe them everything. To pay them back is hard but at least I will tell the TRUTH about who they are. This is what at least what I can at this moment.

            tes

          • selam

            Tesfe I have never ever questioned your love and patriotism for your people. I do appreciate your Eritreanism, on the opposite you failed to give me back.
            Of course i want to get ride of HGDEF and their cronies but i am not saying lets kill them all (game of thrones season 3) , i am very anti war and i hate bullets more than you can imagine.

            You want debate about Ethiopian leaders and protect them , do it on your own but i will never do it for you. you said i have collected every bad things about ethiopia ,Ok tell the truth , i only asked hayat to tell the truth about the war and the wealth Eritreans lost.I have never ever tried to mislead people on the struggle of the Eritrean people. Do not take my words in the wrong side. I know who are ELF, EPLF and i do know the highlanders have fought and died in great numbers . What i have said about Ethiopian leaders it true , they have killed our people my family and every once family. We have been under ethiopian GENOCIDE court for so long. Now why are you forcing me to like Ethiopian leader ? what is that i will get from them. I have enough.Now did i hate weyane , yes 100% . Do i hate derg 100% , do i hate hailesillisie 100% that is my right and i will define history on Eritrean terms not on some people from weyane. That must be clear for you now and then. Expect me to say things when any weyanay or any try to tell me they were nice and because of this and that.
            i would love to rest my case with you here and the bus stops here.

          • tes

            I am also anti-war. But to bring justice and when there is no means other than to use what you have, you use it. If not, Eritrea could not have been an INDEPENDENT country. In the 1950s, we didn’t. The people that you accused them wrongly fought to their level best with their brothers and sisters who live in the lowland to secure an independent country. Ethiopia and its ally came in and hijacked the true desire of Eritreans. Eritreans wished all good even when it was federation. Ethiopia was not satisfied and annexed Eritrea. Mean while, Eritrea stood firm and said NO to Annexation. They don’t go to war but what other option they had?

            And now, my people, all, wants JUSTICE to prevail. They are using all possible means available from all directions. Some carried a gun having no other option, others are doing non-violent political struggle. It is a means to an end but not the END by itself. The END is PEACE and Justice. So are all people doing with what ever they can to this END.

            tes

  • ‘Gheteb

    Exploding Some Of The Abessinian Fundamentalists’ Mythomania

    If you haven’t noticed so far, one of Abessinian fundamentalsits hobbyhorse is to unremittingly interrogate the Eritrean question. Recently, from YG, an Abessinian fundamentalist par excellence, to the TPLF Godfather, Ayte Sebhat Nega, and these days, to some rock-ribbed acolytes of that antedilluvian world outlook in this forum, have reverted to masticating the same antiquated notions about Eritrea and the Eritrean question.

    If you want to visualize what Abessinian fundemantlism looks like, just imagine a two-headed hydra. The two heads represent the Tigrayans and the Amharas. These two heads incessantly spout the tenets or the fundamentals of this antiquated world view based on the abounding myth of “Kibra Negest (The Glory Of Kings) which some scholars have described as nothing more than a “gargantuan hoax”.

    As we have witnessed these days, they want to study if the Eritrean question was a ‘colonial question” or if Ethiopia’s rule over Eritrea is deemed as colonial occupation. Contrary to the assertions of the TPLF Godfather, Ayte Sibhat Nega, and some of his acolytes in this forum, raising the Eritrean issue is not for the pursuit of academic interest. There is a far more insidious aspect to it. The TPLF were forced by necessity to accept Eritreans right to self-determination because it was a fait accompli and there was precious little that the TPLF could do to stop Eritreans from exercising their right to self determination. The TPLF accepted Eritrea’s right to self-determination HALF-HEARTEDLY. The second head of the two-headed hydra, The Amharas, perceived the TPLF acquiescence to Eritrea’s right to self-determination as a cardinal sin that violated one of the fundamentals or tenets which is, “the territorial indivisbility of Ethiopia”. To maintain their legitmacy and to prove their unwavering commitments what did the TPLF do? They unleashed the war on Eritrea in 1998. The war was not about Badme or some other places, but was precisely motivated by that same deep-seated belief in Abessinain fundamentalism.

    The Eritrean question is a done deal to everyone else except to the adherents of the archaic worldview otherwise known as Abessinian fundamentalsim. Eritrea’s question was a question of “an unfinished process of decolnization”. Eritrea’s Italian and other colonial experience and the Treaty of Wuchale of 1889 are more than enough to convince any other person about Eritrea’s colonial experience except, of course, those who have wallowed and their progenys who still wallow in the deep waters of Abessinian fundamentalism

    Eritrea’s quest for decolanization was aborted because America’s interest became far more important than the rights of Eritreans to self-determintion. Below one can see from a state Department Memorandum of March 30th, 1949, a conversation between Secretary of State(U.S.A), Dean Acheson and Vice-Minister Aklilu Habteweld(Ethiopia):

    “The Secretary (Acheson) expressed the pleasure of the American Government at the military facilities which the Emperor indicated he would grant to the U.S.A in Eritrea after that area has been ceded to Ethiopia. Mr. Aklilu responded that the Emperor was pleased to be of help in that matter.”

    Ponder over that and I don’t think anyone needs any more proof that Eritrea’s quest for decolonization was thwarted by non other than the U.S interest. That being the case all the excuses that some rock-ribbed Abessinian fundamentalsits spew unceasingly that “Ethiopia was not an alien country; it was not an advanced country; it wasn’t a capitalist country….” is just pure SWILL as it is readily debunked by the afore-quoted Memorandum.

    Those Abessinian fundementalists who have been hyperventilating about Badme being so trivial in the scheme of things, I have to tell them that I don’t buy your excuses and rationalization. The main reason that the TPLF led Ethiopian government didn’t want to abide by the EEBC rulings and vacate Badme is not because ” it will weaken the PFDJ” or give it “a face saving victory”; nor it is anything else. The main reason for the TPLF-led government refusal to abide by the EEBC rulings and thereby withdrawing from Badme and environs is because it is at loggerheads with the very tenets of Abessinian fundamentalism. Remember, how I have described this Abessinian fundamentalsim as a “two-headed Hydra”. Eritrea’s independence has really given a severe headache to one of the heads of the two-headed Hydra and the other head, through contagion started feeling the persisting headache. So where do they look for a remedy? They revert to their fundamentlaism and delusionally daydream of re-annexing Eritrea by hook or by crook. And, those who are saying that Badme is not that important, I will just remind them, if that is the case then why Ethiopia is still occupying it. To those who think, again delusionally, that nothing could be done to make Ethiopia vacate it, I just want them to bone up in their history lessons as the same thing was said by both the Haileselasie and Dergue regimes. As history attests, they were both interred for good mainly due to their occupationist stance in regards to Eritrea.

    All in all, what one can easily discern from those who subscribe to Abessinian fundamentalism is not only their penchant to interrogate the Eritrean question, but their proclivity to re-litigate cases that have been decided and treaties that they are signatories to. The EEBC rulings and other colonial treaties are cases in point.

    I will surely have more to say about this some other time.

    • Hayat Adem

      Abessinian fundamentalism???? What is it? Please don’t get carried away with new coinages. If you want it to be part of the discussion, define it for us and show us its relevance in the Eritrean context.

      The independence project is complete. Eritreans fought hard for it, they voted for it, the world has recognized, Ethiopia has accepted it with blessing. Start from this reality. Don’t go back to the after math of WWII and what America said, what others said.1998 war was all single-handedly brought by our own crazy man with the invasion of Badime. There is no conspiracy about it. You have someone, a name and a face, to blame it on. New interests to re-annex? None. As I see it. it seems we’ll have to fill out an application of request to them to re-annex us before they get interested. On Badime and demarcation, I don’t see it as a problem if we keep it for later.

      • ‘Gheteb

        You are querying by punctuatingly asking:

        “Abessinian fundamentalism???? What is it? Please don’t get carried away with new coinages. If you want it to be part of the discussion, define it for us and show us its relevance in the Eritrean context.”

        Your questioning seems like it has emanated after you have seen an Alien UFO that emerged into your view like a bolt from the blue. Like I have said before, you have to literally do ‘the leg work’ by doing your due diligence and boning up on terms and concepts you may not be familiar with. Abessinian fundamentalism may be a lot of things, but a “new coinage” it isn’t. Since you seem like you are reading me the riot act here, allow me to give this little assignment. Please, google the term “Abessinian fundamentalism” and come back and share your take on it. I will be awaiting your reactions.That is fair enough, by my lights.

        You are asking me to “define [the term] it for us”. Now let me ask you this: Who is this “us” thing? How many persons do you represent in this forum? What gives you the right that if you don’t know a certain term that everyone else doesn’t? Or, I may ask, does Hayat Adem represent more than one person? Yeah, speaking here with the “us” thing could mean many thing beside the royal ‘we’. Reagrding the relevance of the term to Eritrea, I will say this: Since eons ago, everything bad that has befallen in Eritrea can be directly or indirectly traced to this antiquated worldview of Abessinian fundamentalism.

        You are also exhortingly advising me that “I should not go back to the after math (sic) [aftermath] of WWII and what America said…” to which I say: isn’t that the very genesis, nay, the fons et origo, of all the problems that have been bedeviling Eritrea since those years? How convinient of you to try to put it under the rug. When the current memoranda of conversation between U.S embassy in Adiss Ababa and The State Department are declassified, I am sure we will come to learn the “Thugocrats” ruling Ethiopia doing precisely the biddings of the U.S regarding Eritrea. Sure, these things may not be music to your ears, however, those who are conversant in the inner workings of The Foggy Bottom, would tell you otherwise.

        You are claiming that Issayas started the 1998 war by invading Badme. Invading Badme? That is what I call a felicitous oxymoron. How can one invade his own sovereign territory? And please, don’t try to revise recent history of the 1998 Ethio-Eritrean war as if you are the only one who knows about it. You can believe your own version of those years, but remember that is your version and your version alone. Need I remind you that it is the Weyane-led Ethiopian government that declared war on Eritrea? Your version is eerily similar to what one hears in a pro-Weyane Ethiopian restaurant where kindred spirits hobnob to yarn their version of the war. Your version is so, so, similar and alike to that. I am not sure if you may have picked that version you regurgitate here ad nauseam from those kinds of joints.

        You also say that “Ethiopia has accepted it [Eritrea’s independence] with blessing.” What blessing are you mumbing about here. From my vantage, I don’t see, haven’t seen, any “blessing” towards Eritrea’s independence coming from that accursed land otherwise known as Ethiopia. You are claiming that “As I see it, it seems we’ll have to fill out an application of request to them to re-annex us before they get interested.” What you are saying is a pure exercise in “Reverse Logic” or as it is referred in Tigrigna “Gilbut Sine Mogot”. But when it comes to you, Hayat Adem, regarding the “re-annex” issue, here is the picture I see through my mind’s eyes. I see a monk (Bahtawit or Felasit) reciting her hymns and liturgies imploring her God to make her wishes to come true. If Ethiopia were to re-annex Eritrea that would be a wish come true to you Hayat Adem. And, it is my considered opninion that is what is not closely held near and dear to you heart, but it is desiseratum that is deeply lodged in the deep recesses of your psyche.

        *** Badme you are saying that we should “keep it for later”. Yeah, right. Your effort is nothing short than trying to save the Weyanes from the hot seat they will find themselves after Badme is handed back to its rightful owner and that is E.R.T.R.E.A!
        Although you have tried to speciously peddle as if you have Eritrea’s interest at heart, your main concern, however, is to save the second head of that double-headed hydra that represents Abssinian fundamentalism from the severe headaches it has gotten from the other head through contagion. Yeah, that is exactly what motivates you when you vociferate about Badme.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Corrigendum:
          Please, read the sentence above as … And, it is my considered opinion that is not only held near and dear to your heart, but it is a desideratum that is deeply lodged in the deep recesses of your psyche.

        • Hayat Adem

          Abessinian fundamentalism: you brought it here and you don’t want or you can’t explain what it is. Every time I ask you about it, you are dancing away and asking me to google it for you. I’ll leave it here.
          By “us”, I meant Awatistas in general and the ones we are suspected of Abessinian fundamentalism virus in particular. You can count me two if you like, two person or two heads, doesn’t make any difference.
          The journey to independence was a thing of the past, completed and concluded with nothing pending. That Dream was fulfilled, challenges had been overcome. You have nothing there. But the Freedom Dream is held frozen. Challenges to unfreeze this Dream are standing on our way. You need to fix your eyes here, not there.
          1998 is Isias’s crazy year. No one shares it with him. He owns it alone. He brought it, we paid the price. This is an established fact by neutral bodies, neautral bodies also acknowledged by PFDJ. There is no an alternative narrative on this. None.
          Yes, Ethiopia did accept it and blessed it. This can be supported with real exemples on the Ethiopian side. Ethiopia was cooperating in facilitating the referendum. She was the first country to recognize the outcome of the referendum. Had Ethiopia refused to recognize it, there would have been a lot of wait-and-see policies by nations and the international community and would not have rushed to embrace it readily as was witnessed.
          Yes, Badime can wait. But my idea is Badime is the smallest issue now in light of the existential danger we are inching towards each day. Even after we get rid of PFDJ, Badime would still be the smallest and easiest agenda. Don’t lose any sleep on the Badime issue.
          The best thing you said here in relation to Badime is this: “Your effort is nothing short than trying to save the Weyanes from the hot seat they will find themselves after Badme is handed back to its rightful owner and that is E.R.T.R.E.A!” I love it because that is where the real beef is. This line of argument tells me that you believe Badime is a hot seat, a trap, that will make or break the Weyanes. That is what you said. What that means is if the Weyanes keep it, they will be under pressure from outside; if they give it away, they will be under pressure from inside. Isn’t this exactly the same with what the PFDJ has been saying and hoping when it said no talk before demarcation? That takes us one step further: you are not concerned about Badime at all, all your interest is in keeping the Weyanes broiling in the hot seat? Could that also mean saving the neck of the PFDJ and extend their political life a bit? Here, Badime is politicized and crowned to be a zero-sum game element. Weyanes’ loss is PFDJ’s gain and vice-verse.
          Hmmmm! Valid hope or not, it doesn’t seem to be a likely possibility. Weyane appears to have understood exactly and took its time to out-sit the hot seat and succeeded to get away without a scar to its bottom.
          Did you read to the repeated reminder by Amde? What is there for Weyane that motivates it to act that generous to broil hetself and save PFDJ? Weyanes is exactly reading your mind and she is not going to give you that chance. Like you correctly anticipated, Weyane knows Ethiopians/ Tigreans are going to be mad if it hands over Badime. They also know they will be lending a fresh life to PFDJ. They also know the international pressure is dwindling, not mounting. They also know PFDJ’s military claws has been clipped to never regrow. Unless she sees some long-term advantages like in curing the damaged relationship with the Eritreean people and zero risk on herself, why would Weyane take the heat upon themselves to handover Badime to put themselves in trouble? For the very reason you stated it yourself, they won’t do it before PFDJ is gone.
          This is even without taking into account what T. Kifle told us about voided and nullified APA. Acccording to T. Kifle, APA is either already null and void by default or EPRDF will declare it so: “Actually, there is mounting internal pressure from friends and foes alike concerning this particular other issues on Eritrea. EPRDF has been condemned for taking extremely favourable positions on Eritrea that are not appreciated by Eritreans themselves let alone Ethiopians and became a punch bag for nothing in return.”

          you better forget Badime and talk about PFDJ. If talking about PFDJ inconveniences you, you can talk about the abbessinian fundamentalism, whatever it means.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hayat,

            You put it in a crystal clear picture, where the stand off of the two governments are on the issue of the border. To those who live on the “conspiracy theory” and who still believe that EPRDF’s ulterior motive is to reverse the Eritrean sovereignty, here is what Hayat put it in an unambiguous way without if and buts: “The journey to independence was a thing of the past, completed and concluded with nothing pending. That Dream was fulfilled, challenges had been overcome. You have nothing there. But the Freedom Dream is held frozen. Challenges to unfreeze this Dream are standing on our way.” There is no argument to challenge to this factual truth. Hayat, unfortunately, I haven’t seen anyone who can challenge you on the issue at hand, and no one is serious to the predicament of our people, except spewing hates and enmity. When they lose the debate they turn to the old mantra and old history that is irrelevant to our current challenges. Who can say it better, please keep your hammer on when the iron is still hot.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks Emma,
            It sometimes feel as if some Eritreans are asking for more time to believe that Eritrea has really become independent. Or else it is the process they want to live in not the result. You sense that they are unable to transfer their energy from the past to the present in that they passionately rerun the stories about struggle for independence and totally neglect the future. They hardly realize the struggle for independence was aspired and dreamed as a project of the future in the preceding times.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Till my response, a bit later on , let me tell you this: Believe it or not I have not read Amde’s response to my post nor did I read what T.Kifle’s told this forum. I may or may not respond to Amde. That will depend on the time I will have on my hand. But suffice it to say that I really don’t jump up and down and get overly excited like a kid who just got a new toy whenever such characters say something about Eritrea. I really don’t for I am intimately and keenly aware with their line of thinking. Not because I grew up with them, but from my college years and there is nothing I despise more than their warped political outlook about Eritrea and the Horn.

    • Amde

      Well written comfort food. About a few decades stale and rather irrelevant, but hey if it worked In the 70s maybe it’ll work this time.

      The thing nobody seems to answer is that there is no benefit for TPLF to handing territories per the EEBC dispositions especially to the Isayyas regime. And please remember Badme is not really the issue when it comes down to it. The politically thorny ones are the densely populated highland districts all populated by Tigrayans or Tigrigna speakers.

      If TPLF were to tomorrow decide to give up these lands that it has been investing in since the end of hostilities, it will likely get nothing for it, and on the flip side lose a lot over it.

      It wont make a friend out of Issayas – it will likely embolden him and give him new political life as the leader who stood tall through thick and thin. It will put it at odds with the Ethiopian military. It will put it at odds with Tigrayans who will have to either move or lose their citizenship. It will antagonize it with the rest of the Tigray public – proving once again that the TPLF’s need to please Eritrea is endless. It will lose the nationalist cred it has built since Badme.

      What – objectively speaking – will TPLF (hydra, colonialist, fundamentalist or however you would like to color it) gain by unilaterally giving up Ethiopian and specifically Tigrayan territories to an Issayas regime? There is precious little to put on the plus column. About the only thing I can think of is that Isayyas will chase out the armed Ethiopian opposition. Since they don’t pose an existential threat now, their presence or absence is irrelevant.

      Outside of Eritrea somehow orchestrating an international effort to compel Ethiopia, there isn’t much else. But that is unlikely since Eritrea itself is in the dog house.

      I foresee a deal exactly along the boundary lines Ethiopia is holding at some point with a post-Isayyas government. That could be another generation away (more likely), or the day after Isayyas kicks the bucket (unlikely – as the sociopolitical logic that sustained the current regime will not disappear)

      Calling TPLF Hydra, fundamentalist, colonialist might have the benefit of justifying one’s sense of righteous indignation, but it wont solve this particular problem.

      Amde

      • Dear Amde,

        Regime supporters are trying their best to externalize the problems of Eritrea and blame it on Ethiopia. On top of Ethiopia is responsible for the situation in Eritrea, because it refused to demarcate and vacate Badme and the so-called Ethiopian colonialism, now we have Abyssinian fundamentalism (a two headed hydra), as a new card, with which to externalize internal Eritrean contradictions that are sprouting especially recently. The aim is to keep the people in a constant confusion and in a precarious situation, so that they would not be able to see who the real enemy is, i.e. DIA, the PFDJ and the system they have created.

        No present or future Ethiopian government, would in its wildest dream, entertain re-annexation of Eritrea, because not only that this is not the age of colonialism and annexations, but mainly because no one wants to create a problem for no reason whatsoever. Some Ethiopian opposition might speak to that effect, mainly to score a political point, not because they really believe they can do it or want to do it. The majority of Ethiopians now see Ethio-Eritrean divorce as a blessing, rather than a loss.

        More than twenty years after Eritrean independence, it should not have been a topic for discussion. One can find out that it is regime supporters more than Ethiopians that do not put the subject to rest, because Eritreans should be made to live in ambiguity, so that they do not look at the failures of the regime, and the predicaments of the people, that followed it.

        Contrary to what the regime would like to see, we should have moved to the opposite shore, and should be discussing how and why Ethiopia and Eritrea should cooperate in the future. Unsolvable problems, at least for the time being, or defunct and out-dated issues, are brought as crucial points, and are dwelt upon for the same reason mentioned above. It is a pity that Ethiopia is identified as the culprit for the problems of Eritrea. Especially, when knowledgeable people say so, it is no different from an unfortunate intellectual insincerity.

    • Semere Andom

      Selam Gheteb:

      Your summation would have been masterpiece if it was note penned in the context we are discussing.

      Whether it was colonial issue or Eritreans did not like the “eye color” of the Ethiopians Eritreans full heartedly waged a 30 years war and with “half hearted” support of some Ethiopians for their own survival and strategic needs and not to go to heaven for their good deeds, Eritrea became an independent, not by solely by sheer military force but the military force was blessed by overwhelming majority vote for independence. Although Eritreans were divided about the Union, ultimately they were united in their desire. At this time, it matters not whether were cashiered by the USA and other conspiracies, on the rubbles of the “colonialists “or on the dead bodies of those whose eye color we abhorred, we have established a mafia government where thugs thrive and people of honor languish in jail. I do not want to bore you with the litany of problems that this mafia group have ushered in since its crowning.

      To complicate matters, the war broke with those who “half heartedly” supported us and they still occupy our land. This is fact. If your piece was sent to me anonymously I would have thought it was written by some PFDJ supporter, I know you are not, unlike the AF, who are “delusional”, you are hearing faint voices from PFDJ as all the narration has nothing to do with black and white/ binary issue we face now: which one is more dangerous to our survival as people and as nation, you have glossed this question at least two times now, but in this comment you sort of tacked it by hiding behind the historical wronging of Eritrea, by invoking Ethiopia’s unfulfilled Abessinian dream and your apprehension of Ethiopia occupying Eritrea.

      I believe that PFDJ is more dangerous to our nation that the fear mongering boost that gives PFDJ a life line is unfortunately has been pressed by some Eriterans who oppose PFDJ. I think of it this way: If the government of Ethiopia wants to annex Eritrea at this day and age then that is good! (Nitricc and Mahamuday hold your horses;-)), when I say good, NOT that I will support the endeavor of annexation, but good in a sense that the attempt is an attack on the world and we will not be alone in our fight and a responsible Ethiopian government will do that in its own peril. Occupying Eritrea not only will hamper Ethiopia’s impressive economic growth, but it will be going back to the stone-age for the country. The people of Ethiopia will have a problem with the occupation too, because their eyes has been opened now, unlike before when Dergi and HS fleeced them and did not know better. We will have bigger problems, the world and the region will have a bigger problem, the dream will become a nightmare. But in the fight against PFDJ, we are almost alone, the world except some utterances here and there, barely pay attention. Not only alone, but the fight against PFDJ has been shouldered by few heroic Eritreans, and PFDJ has thrived so far.

      PFDJ’s mafia inspired crime is dangerous and you are worrying about things that your mind is creating, I worry more about the blooming disdain of being an Eritrean by the new generation and this kind of thinking, hiding behind the historical grand narrative like PFDJ will ultimately lead to “mental occupation” when the young like FreSelam, believes Ethiopia is “enda aleboy”, the house of my father. If the youth shake their heads and question independence and Ethiopia gets smart and treats Eritreans like citizens, slowly we will have more Eriteans in Ethiopian than in Eritrea. This scenario is possible if PFDJ stays put in the 99.99% part of Eritrea and in the 100% of the daily lives of Eritreans and not if Ethiopia stays put in only 0.1% of our land and 0% of our lives. Nationalism is not inborn, case in point, Eritreans were almost divided about the Ethiopia , it took 30 years of war and abuse by HS and Dergi for bud to full blossom that certified the Eritrean nationalism, it takes the same abuse and brutality to de-certify it. The people who care about the longevity of Eritreanism should not press PFDJ’s lines of fake nationalism, but should tackle the urgent than the imagined, deal with the more terminal sickness that is ailing us and not obsess with the feeling of hypochondria

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ya Wed Andom, Kefo H’leka?
        I am not going to say much about your well-written and lucidly presented rebuttal. I have to admit that it is one of the things that I admire about you, Ya Semere Wed Abuye Andom! I have taken my REAL second cousin’s (SAAY) admonition seriously. You know SAAY is not only a nonpareil Eritrean writer, but also the pearls of wisdom he dispenses, I have to admit, I take them close to my heart.
        Thanks again for the feedback. Although your take in issues and my views may not fall on the same wavelength, I appreciate your sincerity. Your feedbacks and rebuttals are always welcome, by all means!

        • Semere Andom

          Wo Melehey Gheteb:
          Entame tigrayit tihajek? All is forgiven, jelaba Tigrayat, the mutual language of Wed Amir and Helen Pulos and Mahmud Saleh;-)

    • selam

      Thanks Gheteb , some arrogant”Ethiopia Tikdem , ena shenifalen”headed people will say and try to argue with your assessment and the facts you mentioned.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Wo Hiche Selam, Shukran!
        Thank you for your nice words and you are welcome. I have said it many times, and here again I will say it. I like your take and understanding on issues concerning Eritrea. You and Nitricc are on my top list of my favorites in this Forum. Please, forgive me if I have overreacted recently in my comments towards you. You know I had my reasons, but that is now water under the bridge ( it is no longer important). However, I have learned some thing about you which is: You are indeed a very mature and sophisticated person. Thank you, Selam, and keep up the good fight.

    • Nitricc

      · “To maintain their legitmacy and to prove their unwavering commitments what did the TPLF do? They unleashed the war on Eritrea in 1998. The war was not about Badme or some other places, but was precisely motivated by that same deep-seated belief in Abessinain fundamentalism.”
      · It is absolutely true what you have said and there is another motive for igniting the war. The TPLF thugs have to show; a show of force. By igniting the war it meant to send a message to the reset of Ethiopians in general and the Amra and Oromo in particular that “don’t mess with Tigray” The TPLF thugs knew that the Ethiopians had bad test, the way Eritrea left them and they were itching for revenge. Once the TPLF ignited the war; they came out from every walk of life. The Tigryans came out smelling blood and to eradicate Eritreans for good. Studying it; I found two things surprising. One; how the Ethiopians hate Eritrea. The way they came out in support of TPLF; I can not understand it. what is Badime to Oromo? What Badime to Amara? Although I don’t blame them; Once the TPLF gangs promised to them Aseb; well I guess no surprise there. The other thing I found out very amazing is; how the Eritrean people foiled the war. Comparing simply with the human number; Eritrea should have no prayer and Comparing Ethiopian weapons and the support they got in intelligence; again Eritrea should have been annihilated within two weeks; completely!!!. Make no mistake the TPLF thugs came prepared and they have done their homework’s. TPLF thugs were taking Derg soldiers out of prison to help them destroy Eritrea and the government of Eritrea was putting their best soldiers and pilots in to prison in the middle of war. How the Eritreans defeated the TPLF thugs and their revenge driven Ethiopians is some what miracle. The good news is that the Ethiopians will never unite as they did against Eritrea and Eritrea will never be weak as she was back then. Eritrea all have to do is eliminate the Amen-corners and “Eshi-Goytay” they are the weakest link. She will be fine.

      • Semere Andom

        I nominate this comment for the noble prize of creativity for saying that: “Eritrea was putting its best soldiers and pilots in prison while Ethiopia was releasing people from prison to fight the war then Eritrea with miracle.”
        In the fight between the prepared and the unprepared the later if you do not believe miracles will not happen in Eritrean you are amen corner. Priceless!!

        • Hayat Adem

          And count my voice in that nomination.
          The 1998 war was something no one saw it coming. I guess only PIA knew but that guy would never share information. If he told us what he knew, there were a couple of house keeping matters we could have done. We could have spared brothers from firing at each other. That the war was truly between two brothers can be shown in many ways and many unlikely coincidences were recorded.
          Sad but true story: two biological brothers fought against each other from the opposite sides: the Eritrean side and the other from the Ethiopian side. The two were colonel level officers. they were deployed to the same front. They were participants in the same theater from the opposing sides. One got killed the other got wounded and crippled.
          Up and till the breakout of the conflict, there were Ethiopian press products circulating in Eritrea, mainly in Asmara. I used to have a close friend in the facilitating group that handles the circulation of those press products in Asmara. Reporter, Efoita, Weyn, etc, more than a dozen of them. How they did it was, the publications were sent to the group and then the group sold them in Asmara and other cities, collected the sales revenue, and takes of its commission, and wired the money back to Addis. So the war broke before some amount of money was not wired back to Addis. Then by mere coincidence, a member of the Addis publishers, and this friend of mine, a member of the facilitating group in Asmara met in a third country covering reports of peace negotiations of their two leaders during 1998 summer time. On his return this friend of mine told me this encounter:
          “You know what happened, I met XXX and he was so stupid that he dared to ask me for the money we owe them from the sale of the newspapers and magazines”
          “What did he say?”
          “He said the two countries are in conflict unfortunately, that he hopes the leaders would fix it, and that aside we had to return the money regardless as this was a privately owned by private businesses that needed to pay salary and that it had nothing to do with the war?”
          “What did you tell him?”
          “What do you thing I would tell him! I told him I didn’t know any money that belongs to him; even if I knew I was not foolish to send money to a country that is at war with my country.”
          “Then?”
          “Then, he tried to remind me of professional integrity, thta things would change and normalization would come…”
          “How much money was talking about?”
          “I don’t know for exact but it is nearly two months sale. It could be 50-60Birr. The amount didn’t matter really. How foolish of us does he think that he thought we would be sending the money at this time!”
          FAST FORWARD.>>>>>>
          Call it a fate or the rarest coincidence, the two met again in 2000 in the Shembeqo area. And laughed about it like crazy. I’ll leave it to you imagination as to how that happened. They are now best friends with daily correspondence. The Ethiopian journalist is in Netherlands and the Eritrean guy in USA.

        • Nitricc

          Hahahah no, no, no! No matter what stupid I might say; I will never out do you. how can anyone beat this ….

          “It is healthy any minority to be threatened by the majority”

          this should be framed as all time the stupid thing ever said.
          The interesting thing is you let us inside your head. I know why you said it. you had to objectives to accomplished. It was said in the defense of the TPLF. You know how we are after TPLF; calling them “minority junta” and one day the majority will rise up on TPLF thugs; well, the bright and sunshine Semere didn’t like that and he has to do something and come up with something to neutralize and to of set that criticism against his Dedebit people. The other objective was to appease and make happy his dedebit Grad; Hayat. We know how Semere and Hayat. Sirously though
          Is there any dumbest thing to say other than this? The saddest part is you lost your credibility if you had any.
          One more time..

          “It is healthy any minority to be threatened by the majority”
          From school of “Eshi-Goytay”- Semere Andom!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Nitricc:

            Traslation of: “It is healthy any minority to be threatened by the majority.” It is natural for the any minority to be threated by the majority.”, it was the language not my ideas that came as stupid and who corrected me, a “stupid” opposition called Dr. Sara;-).
            So nitricc you still beat me in saying dumb thing, I tried, I gave up 😉

          • tes

            Can I help you then if you gave-up?

      • Gherhi

        Everything you said here is half the truth but all the half truths are so true that your whole comment looked very good. It was quite surprising to see all Ethiopians united to smash Eritrea, no question there. Although I believe IA started the war, TPLF finally realized that what a great opportunity it had become a) to punish IA, PFDJ, and to some extent the Eritrean people b) to unite the Ethiopian people c) to prove to Ethiopians that TPLF is not a pushover of Eritrea d) to scare Ethiopians into accepting TPLF as a force to not reckon with. The other half truth is that yes Ethiopia was met with a force it didn’t anticipate it will resist tooth and nail. They won so many battles but they didn’t win out the war per se. Their aim was to annihilate Shaebia for good but Shaebia is still there unfortunately for Eritreans. However, I think with repeated and protracted wars, Ethiopia would have eventually won because of their population size and resources. So international pressure was what stopped them from advancing their wars. You also said, “…Eritrea and the government of Eritrea was putting their best soldiers and pilots in to prison in the middle of war…” That was post war but that is a grand accusation coming from a PFDJ supporter. Can you repeat that at the YPFDJ meeting? In my opinion though, I don’t necessarily see the G-15 as reformists, all they wanted was security of their positions and more power. All Shaebia are the same, from top to bottom – they don’t care about the Eritrean people.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Gherhi,

          To support your statement which says “International pressure was what stopped them from advancing their wars,” this is what “US officials” had said at the time, when they push beyond the contested areas: “Don’t run your tanks to the city and don’t reverse the independence.” So there were international pressure not to proceed beyond the contested areas.
          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Aman how far and how low would you go to kiss-up the TPLF thugs? I am amazed!
            TPLF lost more than 18K lives to capture Assab. was it Asseb a contested area?
            Why don’t you come clean as your friend Semere.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            What does it mean beyond the contested area, Nitrickay. Asseb was one from those “beyond the contested areas.” Who told you Asseb was a contested areas. Like Barentu, Tessenie, Senafe, of course, Asseb is beyond contested areas. By now you should know which specific areas were contested areas. Second respect people who have different view from yours. You are sick, how many times people can tell you about it. What is clean to you? Is it to agree with you? Don’t be naive to think that.

          • Gherhi

            Semere said that it would be to the Eritrean people’s advantage ‘for Ethiopia to stay put in the Eritrean area it occupies.’ Otherwise, PFDJ will run away with it and declare victory and fool lots of naive Eritreans only to garner much needed life support. For this Semere is being accused of coming clean as a man who advocates for Eritrea’s sovereignty to be undone. I think Semere has said the most profound statement I have heard in the last few years. He couldn’t be more right about that. The last thing we now want is anything that would give any life support for PFDJ. They are heading towards comma and eventual inevitable death. As I said time and again, PFDJ has a large majority of Eritreans convinced that Ethiopia and the US are our main enemies while it is PFDJ itself who is responsible for the mass exodus of our people due to their ill-advised and extremely poorly run national service system. There was a video in Shegerab recently and kids as young as 12 years old were saying they escaped because of the looming national service on them.

            So Semere’s analysis is spot on. The land that Ethiopia is holding right now is not significant for the everyday Eritrean but it would be a great propaganda card for the PFDJ should they get control of it again. To come clean to Nitricc is basically to tell the hard truth and that is that PFDJ is the number one enemy of Eritreans but TPLF is neither an enemy nor a great friend of the Eritrean people. They could be a great friend if a government was to arise in Eritrea with realistic expectations and considerations of our people and resources and tough negotiating power. We had that power but PFDJ threw it down the sewer line.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Gherhi,

            First I really dislike to call you “gherhi”, as you are the opposite of it, in all you say and your grip as to how the rule of engagement is in world politics. In fact that nicKname is really appropriate to “Nitricc.” Back to your point: The hard truth in nitricc’s mind is not “that PFDJ is the number one enemy of Eritreans but TPLF is neither an enemy nor a great friend of the Eritrean people.” I wish he wasn’t contaminated by their political culture. I have tried to prod him and disentangle him from their traps. I couldn’t. Let me see how he react to you with little comprehension he has about the reality of Eritrea and its people.

          • Gherhi

            Selam Aman, okay, since I have much respect for you because I have been reading your posts and articles on ‘Tebeges’, I will take any nickname you pick for me and I will rid of Gherhi.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            If you gave me that role, I will give you “Mizan”, as I expected you to hold the equilibrium of social justice in our endeavor. How do you feel about it?

          • Gherhi

            It is an excellent one and probably more than I deserve. A little effeminate but I will think of something with the same meaning but that doesn’t sound feminine. Thank you!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Buddy, “mizan” is a neutral gender. Besides, the message it sends matters most. “Halaw mizan” is the person who is trustful by all actors and keeps the “center fleeing force” at check.

          • Gherhi

            I will make the official nickname change and announcement shortly. Thank you for the compliment amanuel.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma
            I’m coming reluctantly to say “Agheb”, you are wrong. Ethiopia, despite, calls of international community and Eritrea that had accepted terms of cease-fire, launched a botched offensive to capture Asab. I can’t believe you stated it that way when the time line of events of that battle exists, and when the heroes who defended that region are still around. By the way, the late Gen. Ahmed Kakay was deputy commander of that front. In fact, Asab front was where invading Ethiopia was clearly smashed. Let’s not reinvent history. The fact that Ethiopia was up for regime change is not debatable. Starting from the first offensive to the end, battles of sanafe AND environs were raging long after Eritrea had accepted the peace deal. All in all, Ethiopian government failed miserably to achieve meaningful/decisive military against ill-equipped, Eritrean Defense Forces. Politically, yes; but at a prohibitively high cost. That’s were my misgivings are. Aboy SebHat explained in a rather regretful tone saying ” seb gambala koynna’ ko!” He has my respect for stating the truth about his acknowledgement that he should have played a statesman’s role in giving proportional response in order to avoid farther blood baths. Pfdj is still in power, if its deposition was the goal.

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday what bothers me is; the eshi-goytay group; they don’t tell the truth. Always distorted; always Eritrea’s fault; always TPLF is a saint. I don’t know if they know it but they are doing disservice to my generation who has to deal with the Tigryans. There is no ifs and buts TPLF will get out from the Eritrean land! The end of the story! when people who claiming to be Eritreans come out and declare TPLF should stay in Eritrean land after the international court rendered its predict; after 20K lives paid;
            it shows you the gravity and the danger of the “ eshi-goytay” present. It seems the greatest danger is not from TPLF or Ethiopia but from this disgraced group and going forward; this group must be dealt with decisively. This is one of the reasons I want a strong and organized ELL.

          • Semere Andom

            Again you are wrong! and you are also lying and talking about stuff you have no clue, the fight is and has been between the Eritrean people and the PFDJ, which your “mahber” of YPFDJ, some wilfully some ignorantly and some to to hide their failed ghetto upbringing support. We have no business in the fight between PFDJ and TPLF, they duke it out and both are injured, a war that a stroke of pen could have solved. Those you have no clue about except to wield your ignorance of “eshi-goytay” would have said “eshi -goytai” t o PFDJ instead of importing a master to call “eshi-goutay.” The fight is beyond the capacity of your brain, the best thing for your to do if you care about your generation is to save them from themselves, you have the tools and the luxury to think that way.
            The fight is between PFDJ and Eritrea, two separate entities that you irresponsibly use as if they are the same. Siding with the Eitrean people no matter from where, it can be from the cyber, from Ethiopia or from inside is tehe noblest idea that there is now in the Eritrean politics. If you mean PFDJ by Eritrea, of course everything is PFDJ’s fault. Before you join the Eritrean side you need to learn basics of respecting people and changing your default vocabulary.
            The fight that was waged in our names, the 1998 war, a war that was conducted for the pleasure of DIA has been settled and in earnest a fight that was looming underneath for years surfaced and that is the fight between justice and injustice, said differently, the fight between PFDJ and Eritreans. Your lies are boundless, no one said TPLF should stay in Eritrea, last time I checked PFDJ is the one in Eritrea. Eritrea i snot just a piece of real state, it is culture, it is etiquette it is class, it is way of thinking, it is humility,it is respect, it is also language and history and citizenship. Eritrea to the “eshi-goytay” is not just a mere.

          • Nitricc

            What is exactly wrong with you? How do you mix an internal issue with external invasion? True we have an issue with PFDJ because it demanded Eritreans duty but failed to protect their rights and privileges. Nothing more nothing less; that is the issue and sooner or latter PFDJ will be forced to give the Eritreans deserve or will be forced out of power BY ERITREANS! Obviously; you don’t sound you ever solved a problem in your life but when there is a problem, you confront head –on and you solve it. You don’t run in to your neighbors and demand to solve it for you. No country ever solved their internal problem through external involvements. That is the fact you are missing. You have invited TPLF to take on PFDJ by force; you have offered Eritrean land to TPLF; what is next? Tigray-Tigrigni? Or is it Greater Tigray republic? Either way you are committing treason while endangering the generations to come.

          • Semere Andom

            There is no internal and external delineation in our case. This is not all purpose application. Rather the issue is which one of these two is existential threat in our current affairs and from that you decide which one to fight first, where to deploy your resources.
            First stop lying, that is first thing to do if you want to elevate the debate. We are not demanding our neighbours to solve it for us, where is it, stop lying, stop hearing voices. We are asking them to help us, we helped them before as people and they helped us, so we are asking them for supplemental help while we do the HEAVY LIFTING. Simple. And also do not trivialize it by saying ” we have issues with PFDJ,…,” we have issue with TPLF for occupying our land, we have eternal enemity with PFDJ for murdering us, for jailing us for humiliating us, for disrespecting our dead heroes for bringing the nation to this

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc,
            Do you think and then write or the other way round? Why don’t you do fact checking and sensibility checking first before you write and become a default faultier? Or do you enjoy telling lies and inaccurate utterances? Look, let me show you what I mean by this and walk you through your one paragraph above:
            1) [What is exactly wrong with you? How do you mix an internal issue with external invasion?] There is nothing wrong with Semere because they can be mixed if need be. And again there is nothing wrong with Semere because he is not mixing them. Don’t spit sentences because you have heard them somewhere else. Use them cautiously and consciously.
            2) [True we have an issue with PFDJ because it demanded Eritreans duty but failed to protect their rights and privileges. Nothing more nothing less;] To say it demanded duty is wrong. Nobody accused nobody because it demanded duty. Slavery is not duty. Massive incarceration is not duty. EraEro is not duty. Mocking on justice seekers to go to moon is not duty. Shooting them from the back when they try to go to the “moon” is not duty. To say PFDJ failed to protect the rights of citizens is also a diluted and understated accusation. The right statement is PFDJ itself bulldozed them. PFDJ itself championed all the crimes bordering extinction of Eritreans. No other parties, no press, no formal governance, sanction, isolation, money flight to Swiss…do all these sound like failure of duty by the government to protect rights or starring and featuring as a center-front character in all of them? So your only problem with them is because they “demanded duty” but fail to “deliver protection”? “No more no less”! Where do you get all this dumbness to dump it on us!
            3) [that is the issue and sooner or latter PFDJ will be forced to give the Eritreans deserve or will be forced out of power BY ERITREANS!] Sooner or later, you said! How soon is sooner to you? Obviously, everyday and every hour state injustice has to be explained or redressed in the courts. But these are not hours, or days or months but 25 years and counting. Well, may be you sensed we are getting closer because IA said he will give us a new constitution. Or may be we are closer now because IA in the last interview said to Paulos, “if you ask me after three years, I’ll have a miracle-equal good news to tell you”. Or may be we can declare now it is “sooner than later” because IA said to Khan of AJ that Eritrea is hoping to conduct election in “30-40 yrs or may be more”.
            4) [You don’t run in to your neighbors and demand to solve it for you. No country ever solved their internal problem through external involvements.] Of course, you can run to a neighbor for help. You can also run to the non-immediate neighbor. You can also run to further places for help when you need it. Yes, there were a lot of occasions in history internal problems were solved through the help of external involvements and we can populate those events here in a long list if need be.
            Nitricc, almost everything you uttered is either worthless or inaccurate. How come you are that bad and dumb. You don’t vary your diction or your idea or you don’t shush. Twain once said, the right word at the right place is good. But the right pause at the right moment is better. Also, Einstein was invited to a concert that was prepared in his owner. Best singers were offering their best and there were a lot of loud applauds for each singer. The only person who was not clapping from the crowd was Einstein. Then a bad singer came and ruined evening mood. When she finished nobody clapped for her except Einstein. The person who was sitting next him looked startled and asked him this:” I don’t get Einstein, you didn’t applaud all the good singers and you did to this bad singer, how come?” to which Einstein responded, “And the I was expressing my happiness because she finished sooner than later.”

          • Hope

            Bingo!
            No further comment,Prof Nittric!

          • Ted

            Nitricc, i second that.

          • Mizan

            Nitricc, are you using ELL to threaten those people who blame PFDJ (instead of TPLF) for all the ill Eritrea is suffering? Have you read the ELL manifesto? They also blame PFDJ for taking away and redistributing their land, suppressing their religious and other freedoms and they specifically cite ‘the chauvinism of the regime and EPLF’s exclusionary policies since its inception…’ as a detractor for their success. So if you think ELL has nothing but resentment and disgust with PFDJ and at most disagreement and not seeing eye to eye with those who like Ethiopia to play a role in helping dismantle PFDJ, then you are in delusion.

          • Ted

            Nitricc, They(the eshi-goytay group) wouldn’t be in this predicament if TPLF had won the war knowing it now the planned endgame of TPLF. That is the least they can do for their (Goyta) and 15 years licking wounds,it gotta hurt.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,
            Leaving aside your condescending attitude and name calling, let me ask you a straight forward question. We Eritreans have only two options, either (a) To repel the Ethiopian army by force from badme and other contested areas occupied by Ethiopia, or (b) To sit in a round table in the presence of international organizations ( such as UN, EU, AU) to find a resolution and an enduring peace. What is your option from these possible scenario, than unnecessary bravado that doesn’t help us to break the “no war no peace” limbo?

          • Ted

            Amanuel, since you seem to know the mind of TPLF inside and out, why don’t you tell me what TPLF want to dialogue about before evacuating itself from the contested and legally resolved region.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Again Ted, a simple elementary answer which you should have know it by now, here it is: In order to know the Ethiopian Government’s mind, you should sit on a table and find it directly from the horse’s mouth. Your question tells me, the limit of your knowledge, as to what the rule of engagement should be to know the mind of your adversary. For God sake, if we don’t know this, we are not capable to debate on politics and its consequences. Therefore, again I gave you the two options we have, what is your response to it. If you have more option than the two, I am glad to lend you my ears.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, Have the third option, C) together( including the likes of you) pull our energy to demand the rule of law respected. I don’t recall you advocating for TPLF to evacuate.It is easy to point fingers when you are on the other side of the aisle. Eritreans don’t need to do option a) and b) because we already won the war, the war waged by TPLF to compromise our sovereignty , to humiliate and erase the spirit of independence. FYI, it is not only TPLF who is standing on the way of justice but also its powerful backers ” international organizations ( such as UN, EU, AU)” who supposed to be impartial on the issue.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            First, I don’t want to tell my position on the border issue for every new comer. Go and search my writing after the verdict was given. I have said it many times. Your point-C doesn’t make accountable to your adversary. The only way that make accountable to your adversary is, whether we like it or not, are the two options I gave you.

            Ted, by giving up the political-diplomacy in the international stage will not be an answer to point-B. Second, engaging in point-A isn’t either an ever lasting peace. Badme was taken by EDF in 1998, and we lost it in 1999. We will live in a cycle of “push and pull” rules of war engagement. Just tell me from the two option we have, if you have a reasonable mind to resolve it. Remember Ethiopia can not be dictated by the united voice of Eritrean people. Let alone to the the Ethiopian government to listen us, our government even doesn’t listen to our demand. Let us get real, our adversary are laughing at us on what we are doing here. Let us talk real politics and how to handle it, and to finally find a resolution to it. Insulting your adversary is not a solution, mature engagement with your adversary brings a win-win to both peoples.

          • Hope

            Mr Amanuel Hidrat:
            But the agenda of the dialogue and the 5-point-plan have been declassified though,which you endorsed by telling us that it is for their best interest to do so.
            On the same token,don’t we have a minimum right to object their agenda for the sake of our National Security interest.?
            You also know well the open and official policy of the TPLF thus far and to this minute with a full back up of the Super Powers!
            Forget about the PFDJ but talk about the destructive impact of those policies you endorsed on Eritrea and ERITREANS!
            As much as you dared to pose few questions to Ted about your two options, you are asked equally to clarify on the open destructive policy of the TPLF against Eritrea and ERITREANS which you have endorsed!

          • asmerom

            Dear Hope
            Instead of blindly wondering why don’t you re- read and understand what Amanuel H wrote in response of Gonbel, where did he say he endorsed the policies of Ethiopia ? why are you making things up ? if you have something you don’t understand ask him to clarify, its not health to read what its not written

          • Ted

            Amanuel, “always change with change of circumstances” which change are you talking about for last 15 years, and the new Ethiopian PM is nothing but the bullhorn of his predecessor. Let give you my big picture of the situation. Thanks to the heroic people of Eritrea, we foiled the sinister grand ploy of TPLF. TPLF’s war was not about the scrape of land. TPLF was after our pride and Eritrean identity. Ethiopians and Eritreans are both the victim of TPLF and as the same time is not far for these brotherly people to settle this issue once for all. “our adversary are laughing at us on what we are doing here” If you are talking about TPLF, they are in deep shit not alone to laugh.

          • Nitricc

            Ted, it amazes me how the “eshi-Goytay” group are shameless and disgraced. They respect so much TPLF they have nothing left for themselves. I will die before I respect the filthy Weyane. It only shows the mentality of the “eshi-Goytay” group. Like I have said they have to be eradicated; they are cancer. Now the Dumb and retarded Semere is saying TPLF stopped the war while wining the war. Some one has to find out what IQ of this person is. It hurts me when this bunch of retarded slapping the face of EDF of who died defending their country in honor. Some one has to tell Semere; it is okay just collect your welfare shut the hell up. And someone has to ask Aman-H if the TPLF deal was just an Air ticket. People let me tell you something. You runaway when it matters now please don’t worry about Eritrea. I say it again; don’t worry the “eshi-goytay” people; we got this. Just go do your thing and kiss TPLF you know what.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey Nitrickay;
            I have thought about your comment really hard. I have run into a problem with the “strong and organized ELL” in order to challenge ganta”eshi goytay.” For the ELL, I order to get to Adi-grat which is believed by some “intelligence sources” to be the base of eshi goytay, they would have to pass through the lands of the “evil highlander.” How do you think that will happen? My suggestion would be to unite with the good Eritrean Hihglanders (EHL) to beat the hell out of the bad EHL? What do you think? I think I can count semere as a good EHL. So, let’s push OUR VISIT TO Toronto FORWARD and get that Semere off the bad EHL. Gual Adem is going to be tough. She is on you. Oh, I forgot this! How about the camels, I mean they are not used to climbing up that Kabessa escarpment. You know what Nitrickay, let’s think Eritreans, OK. Let’s think Eritreans. Get a system where ELL feels like real ELL and EHL feels like real EHL. Happy ELL+happy EHL= Happy Eritrea, a stronger Eritrea.
            Awet NHafash.

          • Rahwa T

            “…they would have to pass through the lands of the “evil highlander.” Not necessarily, Mahmud. Which map of Ethiopia are you using currently. Should I send you the new one from “Abay Tigray”?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            I don’t understand the following statement: ” For the ELL, I order to get to Adi-grat which is believed by some “intelligence sources” to be the base of eshi goytay, they would have to pass through the lands of the “evil highlander”.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ustaz Amanuel
            Nothing really to explain, it is a silly blabbing, just joke. The only thing I would like people not familiar with my sometimes unsuccessful attempts at going humerus is that the ” evil highlander” is not mine. I believe its somewhere in the article. Even the ” eshi goytay” is not mine, I may use sometimes similar phrases, but not here.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,
            Humor in the middle of serious debate, will throw me out of the stage. It happened to me twice.

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday I have no idea how far the “ Eshi-Goytay” will go to insult our intelligence. I don’t know if they are that dumb or just pretend to be one but there is no question they are dangerous. One thing is clear; although their idea is disturbing; the good news is the “Eshi-Goytay” cowards will never be in a position to call the shoots. The more we have strong and organized ELL; the less the “Eshi-goytay” to destroy us.
            There is one advantage Eritrea has over any other African country and I am scared to death not to lose that advantage. I think we have a great opportunity to establish one of the great countries who live in harmony and mutual respect learning the short coming of other countries. When we say, we intend to build a viable nation then harmony and equalizing the playing field then we have no choice but to work side by side the good ELL and the good EHL.
            Harmony and mutual respect is not going to come when one ethnic group is superior to others. Although some brainy philosopher’s of Dedebit might argue that
            “it healthy when the minority threaten by the majority”
            but what we have in mind is, to build a nation where the minority and the majority live side by side with respect and harmony. The danger is when the “eshi-goytay” throws us a curve ball; we have no choice but fight them;we can’t be distracted by bunch of opportunistic good for nothing. You know like the camel; the camel must keep marching and the “Eshi-Goytay” must keep barking. Regarding Letekidan from Adi-Grat, no worries; since Semere came clean it is only about time for Letekidan to do the same.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Mahmuday,

            I don’t get your “Ageb”. Did I say EDF do not fight the advancing Ethiopian army beyond the contested areas? Or are you saying there were not international pressure to accept the “peace deal” and against the incursion of the Ethiopian army beyond the contested areas? I don’t get it. If there weren’t, why did Issayas accepted the peace deal, in the middle of the war after refusing for months? Why did the UN security came to an urgent session to respond to Issayas’s letter of acceptance to the peace deal at midnight? Mahmuday, because the issue was handled by the international community, the facts and the records are still in their archives. So you can come to me to take you to the organization that was responsible in handling the Issue – the UN. Otherwise, I think don’t attempt to look one who cares more than others to his people.

            I fought against this senseless war single handedely in my area, arguing in every public meeting that was held by Amb. Haile Menkorios. Actually, it took them “one year bloody war”, to understand the war and use the vocabulary words “senseless and meaningless war” after the 1999 push. The Eritrean people will not forget the interview of Issayas “calling for the fullfledgged war, and let me quote him “Meskerem MisHalefe kin-mtsea Ena Indikum Zibelkum, Nitsebeyekum Ina Zelona” responding possibly to the Ethiopian parliamentary war declaration.

            You Know and I know, that both governments were moving to Borderless Relationship Status. According Issayas’s words in his interview “Hiwyet”, it was highlighted in it, as ” Zimdnana Nab Dob zeyblu Birki ki-Abi Iyu”. And hence Badme was left for Ethiopia until the 1998 war incidence. Facts are facts no matter what politician tried to thwarted it to deceive the public. So Mahmuday we can’t settle this issue in the cyber-war-of-politics. Here I invite you for two weeks vacation to my areas and discuss the issue with the document at my hand.

          • Mizan

            Amanuel, I think you would be served well to refer people to read Yonas Araya’s “In Solidarity With the Forces of Good” if you want them to know the truth about how the so called border war came into being. But you have yourself quoted very telling quotes of the dictator who grossly underestimated the power TPLF could amass and that most Ethiopians had accepted only reluctantly Eritrea’s independence. So mobilizing them against Eritrea was the easiest thing to do. But IA miscalculated so did the Ethiopians as documented in this historic article.

            http://fp.asmarino.com/YonasAraya/YonasAraya_04-08.asp

          • Hope

            Megan,
            We all know that but what do u do in the middle of war?
            You keep fighting u win or loose!
            Or would u give up simply coz PIA messed up?

          • Hope

            Megan : Mezan
            With apology!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ustaz Amanuel,
            Haderka, I agree with the preludes and PIA manners during the war. My comment was supposed to focus on the last phase of the war where Ethiopia clearly pushed deep in to uncontested Eritrean territory despite Eritrean acceptance of cease-fire. My point is Ethiopia was not in any mood to listen to international calls, it went as far as it could. Eritrean resistance and the mounting casualties convinced them the grand scheme of occupying Eritrea was not viable. They fought deep inside Eritrean territory and until they run out of steam.

          • Semere Andom

            Vet Mahmuday:
            Also remember TPLF(EPRDF) was not all on the same page and some of them were for going forward, but some want to stop and that created the divide in the EPRDF ranks, when the Siye group eventual lost. Eritrea accepted the deal from weakness, while Ethiopia accepted with strength unless our definition of winning is how many dead bodies we counted, even then you have to account for per capita. With every measure it was Eritea’s defeat , then even the terms of 25KM and Ethiopia’s refusal to withdraw, Ethiopia’s admitted air strikes that sent DIA to a drinking binge.
            War is not walk in teh park no matter how huge and armed is the winner, but getting to Barentu and Senafe does not look like running of steam, maybe puffing and huffing

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Semere,

            You are right Semere. It is another fact in additional to the International pressure. EPRDF was splitted in to two factions, one to continue the war led by Siye and his clique, and the other to stay with the mandate given by the parliament to repel the Eritrean army from the contested area and stay within the contested areas, lead by Meles (who by the way had his vote against the war in the parliament). With all the internal political repurcation within EPRDF, Meles and his colleague won against Siye and his colleagues to stay within the contested areas, and hence the Ethiopian forces pulled from the uncontested areas, which then follows the UN peace keeping force and the creation of 25 km buffer zones. The rest is History.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Emma:
            So my point to Mahmud was EPRDF stopped while it was winning, if however he is saying if they have dared and continued thhey would not have been able to penetrate to Asmara is a different matter. The word is that PFDJ was packing to go back to Sahel. It was smart move by Melles because it would have been disaster for both, Siye in his book from the excerts I have read he said that Meleles was against the war from teh beginning and in the war committee his arm was twisted to the war, at least they had a war comittee

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Agreed Samray. “That the PFDJ was packing to go back to Sahel” is the seal of the argument.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Bxay semere
            Let me cut it clear for you so you can have the bone marrow (ኣንጒዕ) of the matter. You remember crushing the bone to get the bone marrow; I don’t see the Ferenji doing it here, and I have not done it for years now.
            The point is this: I am saying Ethiopia did what was possible; it would like to go as far as capturing Asmara or Asab if it could; it tried it could not make it within the time limit it set which is contingent with other issues; looming diplomatic pressure, its resources, and just an intelligent decision a good commander-in-chief would do: that’s where your point comes. ” You know we set to achieve bigger, but that’s enough; let’s stop it when we have the upper hand. Remember what you said about BeraKi (or it was me?) when he pleaded with IA to “accept US/Rwanda peace plan when we are in a strong position.” So, I am talking about a strategy any smart negotiator follows “Hit hard for a bigger yield.” The battles of Tsorona..Zalambassa..Asab were all fought long after Eritrea had accepted African peace plan. Ethiopia opted to go as far as it go, tens of thousands perished along the way.
            Here, Aboy SebHat Nega did not hide it. He said ” We should have given diplomatic efforts more time” adding ሰብ ጋምባላ’ኮ ኢና ኮይንና። So, I am complaining the efforts some make to absolve Ethiopia. I place the blame on IA first hiding simmering problems from us, for not going to international bodies, and lastly if war was imminent for not doing it legally through the then established national council, even if that was a rubber stamp council; and then on Ethiopian leaders for not acting wiser to limit the loss. Badme to Eritrean and Ethiopian mothers is not worth their children lives. If the conflict could be concluded, and new fresh air blows in the region at least we would be condoled. So, my friend my attitude is far from your typical wedi-saleh/ykaalo belen…derEmen one. I care about the human cost more than who was packing or who was causing the packing. PFDJ may have been packing, but our men and women were dying defending their country until the last minute of the last hour.
            We packed and abandoned liberated areas so many time in our history, so leaving Asmara would not be the first time. Braking through our defense lines was not a first occurrence; being pushed back was not either a first occurrence. What’s important is: an army remains an army with its command and control intact, its fighting capability alive, the rest is nature of war. TPLF will tell you how many times they were pushed to Antore.
            The theme: War is ugly, the poor, the young and the bright die in it.

          • Abinet

            Hi Mahmud
            I’m sick and tired of war stories. Let me tell you a joke.
            An abesha was in Russia eating lunch in a school cafeteria. He was struggling to crush the bone to get the bone marrow. A ferenj sitting next to him , who was watching while enjoying his potato with fork in a ” civilized manner ” asked , ” what do dogs eat in your country ?” The abesha still fighting the bone answered ” dogs in my country eat potato.”

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmud;
            Nice comment! By now you should know what I am up to depending how I address you, Teg.Mahmud or Wedi Saleh;-)
            Just one thing about going to Saleh, it was not meant to make fun of Sahel, of course it was Dejen and when PFDJ is eradicated the story of Sahel will remain, will be studied and preserved for eternity, the only entity that will tarnish that history is PFDJ, no one else. The difference between going to Saleh in the protracted war and after independence, in the later you do not go there, period, ask Nitricc he will agree 😉
            Also, no one would canonize TPLF, as I said many times, they have their own intrigue but I just compare how they treat theirs and how PFDJ treat their own

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere
            Than you. I am strictly confined to replying to the notion which regards Ethiopia a party that didn’t intend to go further, or was blocked by international pressure, both of which are inaccurate. I hope my thoughts are clear by now.
            Another point you repeatedly injected in the discussion is something that has to do with the leadership style differences between the two regimes and their parties. Here, we can say a lot. I do agree TPLF leadership style was more collective and deliberative; and I think that could be explained, but it’s a separate topic. But in short, the reason why Issayas became the larger-than-life we have come to know, and why TPLF leadership did not produce an autocratic-charismatic figure who overshadows his peers, has to do with the way both organizations were incorporated. Issayas was catapulted to the urban myth of the early seventies for a reason; that’s not because he was able to roll in a battlefield, or because he was the best marksman cutting a thread by a single shot; or someone who could write his name on the wall with a spray of bullets, but because the social conflict of that time, among tegadelti (particularly in ELF, in late 60s) demanded that those who were ill-treated by their comrades needed someone who could lead them to the promise land. Once PLF was created, his previous experience as a member of ELF General Leadership (alQyada alAama), his training in utilizing a clandestine communist party, his charisma and other personal traits including being bookish and workaholic, plus his leadership instincts, all of these contributed in making him tower above his peers. The demise of 1973 movement to rectify IA leadership excesses sealed his fate of being a leader for life. This, in addition to our culture of conformity, made it easy for him to sail political bodies he has lead as a sole captain, ending in the ramming of our country into a huge barge. TPLF didn’t have to go through that experience. A group of equals founded it. And there was no reason of feeling persecuted from within which would result in rallying around the first leader identified as a “savior.”
            On PFDJ packing: What else do you expect from PFDJ? What’s painful is, later on, they described Haile DruE as a defeatist. When injustice whirled around his neck and the necks of his brave comrades, those who knew him looked the other way; and those who didn’t know him took word “teTelaQina” out of its context. DruE is one of the funniest people I have ever known. That was a typical DruE. He would use similar lines for years in seminars and in his cadre academy in SaHl, but no one had jailed him for cracking up jokes of that nature. He was put in jail because he stood up to PIA, not because he said “teTelaQina.” Otherwise, why would he be left alone keeping his cabinet membership if it was known he had done treasonous crimes?
            And who are putting him in prison? None other than the truly defeatist PFDJ, which demonstrated to be good-for-packing-up when national service kids and mothers were battling off invading force.
            So, the issue is not defending PFDJ but giving a country and people the honor they deserve. We may have some Awatistas who fought in those fronts; obviously, both of us were not there. But I can tell you my accounts are not from ERI-TV, they are from folks who fought there.

          • Semere Andom

            Mahmud: I am impressed I have not used Wedi Saleh today:, It is a joke;-)
            Most of your analytics in this comment is tine by me, except the personal responsibility, the bully factor and the vindictive nature that is different when you compare the two leaders, MZ an IA. Take the first speech of IA that I do not tire to mention every time;-) and take the first speech (sort of) when celebrating their first “Debebit” start after independence, look at the tone at the respect he gave this people. At one point both looked in the mirror (most likely a pond) and looked hard and decided what to do with their lives as leaders. Personal responsibility and decision is paramount in any human endeavor and out come. Other than that the circumstances can shape people in certain way, but we cannot attribute everything to the out side forces.

            When everything is settled and IA captured and faces the jury, no excuse of this nature can be accepted, nothing, his best chance to save him from prison or hanging is to claim he was abused and raped as child when growing up and that scar made him do what he did, the boiling anger to mask that abuse, then maybe the jury of his peers can give him clemency.

            Also how they treated the heroes the founding fathers of TPLF like Dr. Ataklti have monuments in the place where they have fallen, ours we import literally heroes and erect them monuments. Shame!. Depriving Eritrea of its founding fathers and grand fathers seems to me deliberate. There are non-divisive icons like Awate, Ibrahim Sulatan, WelWel, Kabire. So all the environmental influence of making IA is easily destroyable especial if your bad friend SA is the prosecutor 🙂

            That is why the danger that PFDJ poses in every aspect of or lives and the life of the nation is more urgent and lethal than the fear of unification that we know how to defeat and the occupation the world will condemn and that Ethiopia will not dare. If a lunatic government comes to power in Ethiopia and they star occupying us, then Ethiopians , Africans and Eritreans and the UN will have a bigger problem.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam ex-General
            MaHmud Saleh,

            You are twisting Aboy Sebhat Nega’s statment (“ ሰብ ጋምባላ’ኮ ኢና ኮይንና “)wrongly to win your argument. This statement of him has just appeared 17 years after the war begun. He was explaining on the political and military rifts that the Meles group had with the Seye – Tewolde group when he was asked about the details of war as stated in Gebru Asrat’s Book. I don’t know if Awate forum readers and other Eritreans would believe your argument. But definitely you are interpreting this statment wrongly and it is easy to see that you are doing it deliberately. Aboy
            Sebhat as usauls had a stand against the “let’s-fight- them” group from the time when EPLF thanks rolled over the town of Badme and started fighting with the militiamen. A rumor that was circulating during that time was that Sebhat Nega used to say that instead of going to war, he would prefer his group would solve the problem diplomatically
            and he didn’t care if Shaebian took Zalambesa and Badme for 30 years. He still regrets that his stand was not
            accepted by the majority of the EPRDF men. So I would like to suggest if you have could bring some other facts instead of the above statement from the old man.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Rahwa
            Please read the English sentence before that quoted Tigrigna sentence. I brought it to empathize the same interpretation you gave it. That’s why i respect the man, at least, he regrets things didn’t go his way. I appreciate people who abhor wars, period. So, from my vantage point, no twisting.
            You Said What map? The one that incorporates Dahalik islands on the east, and Ghirmayka on the west? Nah, according to nitrikay, ELL are not that nuts.
            They will say:
            Msl Hawye Hayseni eimoot mslom wo ember.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Mahmud,
            I don’t know where Ghirmayka is. Dahlak, oh! that was the historical port of Axum according to the Ethiopian History 101 and it is gone forever thanks to the Arabs and their messengers. My understanding of the “metaHit” (ELL in this case) is that the map extends from OmHajer to Ti’O and all the way down to Denkelia and Tigray is sharing borders with the lowlanders from these regions.

          • selam

            You know most the dergi solideirs where told to carry a rope when they go to war against the Eritrean people. Your 101 lecturer seems to emulate that era.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Now you want nitrikay to plunge into the matter, well, it’s your call. Ghirmayka is way north on the Eritrean – Sudanese border, Kassala is a few kilometers away.
            Regarding the araboch, mn Enargalen, ke mereb semien hulu Arab naw tebale.
            According to “Tebale endie” ye tsehaye yowhans song, or it’s a new wayanay song?

          • Rahwa T

            Don’t invite a nasty “kid” to my table please. It will a bit odd for me to sit next to a child with a running nose to exchange the same, boring discussion. Tebale endie is a very old song I guess and many phrases has been born and gone since then.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Sem Hfoonay
            Let’s put it as ” huffing and puffing” but that was not the point. Read the thread again, if not aboy Qeshi is available.
            Asmerom: No, I don’t mean colonization. But if you capture a territory what do you do? You occupy it, you secure it, and you place someone you’re comfortable with in its charge. Yes or no?
            Dear Mizan: I can’t for sure tell you what Eritreans would do as far as tactical deployment is concerned, because I was far away and not from the decision-making body; but I can assure you they would continue resistance in away and form they chose. If the scenario you raised took place, Eritreans would have no choice but to resist. Ethiopia had a choice to continue the fight or to stop it. It has to be clear that I’m way older and wiser; I’m not in the mood of militarism; I’m not belittling Ethiopia and Ethiopians. They are no less warriors than their counterparts. So, please focus on the main idea. Any commander stretches his limits in order to advance as far as he could before any cease-fire. It’s a classic war game.

          • Nitricc

            I know you are dumb but wining is defined when you achieved your objectives and you meet what you set out to do. Your stupid TPLF objectives were.
            Enter Asmara change the regime; it did not happen.
            Capture Asseb; it didn’t happen.
            Decimate the Eritrean armed forces; it did not happen.
            What exactly did your stupid weyane accomplished? A failed people are happy for trying. You must be one miserable failure to declare as TPLF a victor. Go ask your Dedebit relatives what happened in Assab front.
            Go ask your General Tsadkan who cried like a little beatch on Egri-Mekel.
            Go ask your stupid generals what happened in Adi-Begieo.
            We know how slow and dumb you are but the more you open your mouth the more you exposed your self.

          • Semere Andom

            You see trying hard to be more Erirean than rest of us is not going to cut it, Eritreanims is not by trying hard, it is in born, it cannot even be taken away if one commits treason, it cannot be altered,it is immutable, eve as heartless and as dumb as you can be Eritreans, I cannot do anything about it. So our best bet to avoid dumb and heartless people like you is to create a scientific project, the sperm/egg bank of dumb people to weed you guys out in your tracks before you make it to full-fledge human being whose identity and citizenship we cannot be taken away, that is our best bet.
            So do not try hard to prove yourself, either your are Eritrean or not, because falling in love with Eritrea does note entitle you for its citizenship and I bet it will not provided in DIA’s new constitution
            Case closed

          • Mizan

            Mr. Saleh, let’s assume you are correct in your assessment that the invading Ethiopians were stopped from further advancing and toppling PFDJ and taking control of Eritrea. Now my question to you is that
            do you think Eritrea would have survived repeated Ethiopian offensives if the Ethiopians had refused to accept anything, like a cease fire, rather if they had reorganized after what you are calling defeat in asseb or other uncontested area?

          • Hope

            Gherghisibu,
            Focus.on the specific issue at that specific period of time!
            There is no twisting of facts here.
            You are dealing with few people ,who would like to see the demise of the PFDJ at the expense of Eritrea,which is a fact that we witnessed over the last 15 yrs.
            Forget about the PFDJ but let us talk on behalf of Eritrea!

          • asmerom

            Dear Mahmud
            Read again what you wrote this is what twisting facts means and there is no need of arguing “the grand scheme of occupying Eritrea” glad you didn’t say ” colonizing ” Is this not a hidden way of defending PFDJ ?? so amazing !!

          • Asmerom

            Dear Emma
            It’s fruitless to deal with believers of ” Tenfer enber tel eye ” They are brainwashed to twist facts and I would say better not waste your time to argue with kind of folks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Wedi Berhe,

            Point well taken. The problem is, when they twisted my comment, I will not let it go, especially with those who where part of the history.

            Regrads
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Wedi Memhir Hidrat,
            On the same token. no sane Eritrean will ignore what you have been saying and doing covertly and overtly,case in point!
            Kiwi’eyeka bi manka kizihlekkA bi manka!
            Kibel’uwa nizedeleyiwa aba gunbahsi, kokah yibliwa !Pls correct my Tigrinya as U R from Seraye!
            You have been adoring the same Gang ,who decimated you and your Front!
            As Abraham Hani bal said it, let us stop ” me’akor weyane milhas”!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            The respectful “Kerenites” don’t use “Nay begamido language.” I am sure they will be irritated when they see you using bad language, and coming from their own son. You are shameful to them.

          • Hope

            I represent myself, not kerenites,lol!

          • Hope

            Cousiney natey!
            Deheyka elibde!
            Do not forget that you might be dealing with the students of PMMZ!
            If I might add:
            Mr Hiru Tedla Bairu wrote a personal letter to PIA from Sweden advising g him about the motivation behind the last minute but desperado attack of the Aseb Front based on a classified info Mr Hirui got from few European Diplomats!
            PIA was fully aware about the evil intention and probably was threatened as well to leave Aseb based.on his decision to leave Aseb.
            And had it not been the heroism of Commander Saleh Osman(correct his real name) and his Division,we could be with no Aseb at this moment!And the Commander is killed or kidnapped after the Forto I cident? ???Did I get it right ?
            I stand corrected!
            But that is Eritrea of today!

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            The story could be true or false . I care less . But , at least two things are true.
            1- ethiopia, even if controlled assab can not use it as its own
            2- the other truth is Ertrea still has assab and it is not using it . I’m sure you are not blaming ethiopia for this.
            Did you really sad Ato Amanuel might be a student of PMMZ? You wish IA was the student of Meles Zenawi ( RIP)
            Your last sentence said it all . Nothing to add to it. If the conditions of the two countries after the war is any indication , then , I know whom to choose as my mentor, teacher etc
            I know your choice. Let’s see who Ato Amanuel chooses.

          • abrham

            Selam Ato Mahmud,
            When something like Eritreans losing appears in the window you will come up to defend automatically with your patriotic tone. You know, PIA has accepted the cease-fire not by so many mihlelal from so many peace loving stake holders but when the offense from the southern side was unbearable. Do not make it as if they accepted it for the sake of peace . You easily skipped the reason. PIA accepted it simply to take time for a relief and reorganizing the groups who are scattered here and there. Do you really expect then the ethios to stop the offense? No, they already know the eritrean cease-fire is not sustainable and continued until the commander in chief orders them to stop or according to your facts smashed by the ill-equipped strong defense of Eritrea. Another wrong information you copied from PFDJ is the regime change and capturing Assab Halewlew. What would happen If Assab were seized by Ethio? nothing will happen just withdraw like the other fronts. Again where do you get the toppling thing Mahmud? It is a recent affair. The then parliament clearly decided for recapturing the captured town of badme and the demolished Zalambesa and keep the territorial integrity of the country. Then isn’t this mission fulfilled? yes it is.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            So you think “it would have been by far worse than the damage we sustained by the end of the war, in 2000…” had the Ethiopians passed beyond the contested lands? But don’t you know that fierce battles of life and death were fought near Areza, Adi Quala, Mai Dima, Emba Soira, Asab, etc? Or were you busy in Addis at that time like those “opposition groups” who were waiting to be handed power by your host TPLF?

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Eritrea needs to rid itself from dictator Isayas and his puppets in his office. Then she will be fine to take care of its citizens, as well as preserving its lost sovereignty over Badme and other lands by the ill-fated and amateurish military leadership of the dictator. It is said that Eritrea’s best military leaders were not allowed to lead the war; nor were Eritrean forces given the chance to take counter-offensives. Our forces were at the recieving end, giving the TPLF the comfort and the prize of surprise. It is also said that the Eritrean army was surviving barely on old, and unmaintaided military hardware, in spite of the people’s strong support and contribution to the defensive war-effort.
        During the last round of the fighting our forces were basically made to leave their heavily fortified defensive lines they used a year to build, because the enemy was all of a sudden on their back. The lame excuses given by the dictator’s officials at that time was the enemy had moved its army through unguarded areas, where it used days to move aroung Eritrean defensive lines. But how on earth could this happen, when we knew the TPLF was making its war-preparations throught the year, and how could a huge army pass through without being noticed? All these observations lead us to conclude the dictator and his clique had a plan of subjugating the Eritrean people, by leading it into a destructive war, the result of which is evident in today’s Eritrea.

    • Ted

      Wearing out the big fish before landing them on the boat. It is how the orchestra of Bademe is playing in Ethiopian grand Theater . The West conducting at the front, TPLF playing the string and brass to the tune of Ethiopians. Bademe is not barren land Ethiopians willing to relinquish by mere agreement, it is the hook in Eritrea to be reeled in when conditions favors to the rightful owners. You can call it ego, pride or insanity, Ethiopians never accepted the independence of Eritrea as free country and to the same effect Eritreans are well aware not to sleep both eyes closed when ever sovereignty issue is at stake . It is deeply engraved in our DNA if one can go back to history. The modern day TPLF crooks once again want us to swear an oath of agreement under the disguise of brotherly people. FOOL ME ONCE……..you know how it goes. And TPLF lapdogs need to redirect their force against the government not Eritreans and its land. Personaly for Eritrean citizen to side with TPLF while the sovereignty issue is on the table is categorically irresponsible or malicious, more often than not, blinded by hate for individuals or groups. The tide is changing to demand change with out sacrificing our sovereignty and we have come a long way, more importantly, to know who is who.

    • Hope

      Great points that deserve an Article

      format!

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hi Mahmuday,

    UNMEE is one of the enforcing mechanism of the agreement. In the absence of it and the other mechanisms, the call for demarcation and posting the necessary markers is unrealistic argument. The argument should be on how to reinstate the enforcing mechanism by engaging with the international community. The current regime of Eritrea knows it, and if they want to do it, they know where to go to reinstate it. If they know how to stop the legal process and its mechanism, they also know how to reinstate it. Free citizen arguing beyond our mandate will not help us on what we attempt to accomplish.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam emma aba gherima +gual Adem
      Mine was a common sense attitude not legally sophisticated, thanks both; I will read the APA.
      Also Amanuel, to me the whole peace process is more important than Badme or other pieces. The opportunities our region and particularly my country are missing, and the likelihood that this could transform into another war are more important to me. That’s why I believe this needs a two willing governments and real leaders who could take strategic steps.
      Another point I want to make clear, I’m not by any means saying ” badme before democratic change.” Not at all. I don’t believe Ethiopian acceptance or not acceptance of EEBC should be a prerequisite of political change in Eritrea. I just don’t excuse Ethiopian refusal; it’s a violation of an agreement it signed. UN expulsion has nothing to do with Ethiopian refusal. The said “null and void” was said when the UN was there; later improved to the 5 points proposal.

  • Hayat Adem

    Only one correction, Mahmuday:
    UNMEE’s mandate is not limited only to observing the cessation of hostility. It is also to facilitate and oversee the physical demarcation. It is clearly written there and there is no ambiguity. Unless Ethiopia wants to say MaElesh and go ahead with simpler settings, it can ask for the return of UNMEE and TSZ. You can not say these two are outdated before actual demarcation as the APA states it their expiration date is tied with the completion of demarcation on the ground. Or else, you have to forget APA.

  • T. Kifle

    Wedi Saleh,
    As far as Ethiopia is concerned, the Algiers Agreement is null and void as a result of UNMEE’s kick out on ground of Eritrea’s unilateral decision.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan TK
      Reference? An official document, please?

      • T. Kifle

        Here you have,

        Eritrea began its efforts to underline the Algiers Agreements prior to 2002, and subsequently ignored Ethiopia’s acceptance of the EEBC Decisions in November 2004. Ethiopia had originally raised some concerns over the EEBC Decisions, but after failing to get satisfaction for these, it made it clear it was prepared to proceed to demarcation in conformity with international practice, and consistent with the Algiers Agreements and their aim of bringing about sustainable peace and the normalization of relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea. However, as soon as Ethiopia accepted the EEBC Decisions, Eritrea openly began to flout the Algiers Agreements, persistently violating the TSZ and imposing restrictions on UNMEE. By 2007, the UN Secretary General noted in a report to the Security Council that the Eritrean troops that had illegally entered the Transitional Security Zone in October 2006, not for the first time, had remained, and that Eritrea had also deployed additional troops accompanied by tanks and heavy armament. He described Eritrea’s restrictions on UNMEE as representing “a serious violation of the Agreement on Cessation of Hostilities of 18 June 2000, the 2001 Protocol Agreement of 17 June 2001 concluded between Eritrea and UNMEE, and relevant Security Council resolutions…”. When these activities met with no more than mild verbal criticism from the Security Council, it steadily expanded its activities until it had taken over the whole TSZ, rendering the Algiers Agreements, including the Agreement on Cessation of Hostilities, effectively null and void. The Security Council did pass a number of resolutions demanding Eritrea remove all restrictions on UNMEE, but it took any action and in February 2008 the situation reached a point where UNMEE, humiliatingly, was forced to withdraw.

        http://www.mfa.gov.et/weekHornAfrica/morewha.php?wi=1309#1309

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi T. Kifle,
      Is that the official position of the EPRDF government or your individual view. If it is an official position, would you provide a reference, please?

      • Hayat Adem

        As far as I know Ethiopia never declared so officially except one press release from their Ministry of Foreign Affairs that didn’t say it very frontally but the implication was clearly there. But they have a good ground to take that position should they want to. PFDJ has messed it up left and right. APA is compromised at many levels beyond redress.

        • T. Kifle

          Hayat,
          Actually, sooner or later EPRDF will declare it as there is mounting internal pressure from friends and foes alike concerning this particular other issues on Eritrea. EPRDF has been condemned for taking extremely favourable positions that are not appreciated by Eritreans themselves let alone Ethiopians. So any think can happen. The other thing is making the agreement null and void doesn’t require official declaration of the obvious. It’s a status of default.

      • T. Kifle

        It’s official and I think a default position at that because Eritrea breached the agreement. I read it on the website of foreign affairs long time back.

    • Kokhob Selam

      T,Kile, ድሃይ ባድመ ባ ከመይ ተማሕድርዋ ኣለኹም ? ኣብ ዲሞክራሲያዊ ምሕደራኹም ተካፍልዋ ዶ ? መቸም ሕድሪ ሕድሪ እዮ : ሓደራ !

  • Hayat Adem

    Gonbel,
    Are your senses clipped too, like your horns:)*
    I didn’t bring Ethiopia’s argument as my evidence. As you know Ethiopia’s claim is much more longer than 70yrs. Ethiopians argued that Badime was theirs from start to finish, that it has never been Eritrean, that it has never been administered by Eritreans or Italians until Eritrea invaded it in 1998. Of course, I was referring to the courts statement. You can go to the decision of the court which is not that big to read or I can reproduce it here for your convenience should you want me to.. You don’t need to spin.
    ————
    *Gonbel refers to a clipped horn

    • Kokhob Selam

      But Hayata, if someone asks national question and fight to the end and even make referendum to show the world that this is the real request of people, and get almost hundred percent , didn’t that mean the boarder that was created by colonialists? why we are not asking that during referendum why EPLF ignore Badme? it is just fishy — there was always something wrong. those who are claiming Badme before cleaning PFDJ are not willing to say the truth and try to investigate.

      PFDJistas are not really for peace and for good of Eritrea, if they are they could have even asked why Ethiopia was one of the first to announce acceptance of national freedom when still they are In Badme. is Badme more important than Assab?

      what ever the secrete was, Ethiopians are managing it but PFDJ is killing the nation. i

      • Hayat Adem

        Kokhobay,
        The referendum was only about whether to become an independent nation. But what are the exact border lines of that nation that is voting to become independent? That was not answered in the referendum voting. And that is not a unilateral affair. A border is always shared and requires, consensus, negotiation or arbitration with the co-bordering neighbor. Borders are sometimes clear and pre-agreed, but sometimes disputable. The stupidest and costly decision is going to war to settle a border dispute. The wisest and easiest is to settle it in a bilateral engagement. In the middle are negotiations involving a third party or legal arbitration or court settlement. Border matters have never been urgent priorities as matters of national policy.
        PFDJ is fooling everyone. They were the ones who agreed TPLF to control it contrary to ELF’s position during the struggle. Then they invaded as a pretext to force EPRDF to harmonize economic policies tot he like of PFDJ. Then we had this very ugly war that left Eritrea so weak and devastated.
        The the court decided. But we have yet to see the border demarcated. The infrastructure that was set up to do the demarcation is dismantled. Even if Ethiopia agree to demarcate, it can’t happen because the Algiers Peace Agreement dictates the presence of UNMEE, Security Buffer Zone, and Demobilization of Eritrean forces from 25000KM Square and cessation of Hostilities as a must. These will take time if at all we can say it is possible. It might not be possible because UNMEE was harassed and kicked from the TSZ. Which country will be willing to send observers and peace keepers to the Area again? Will Eritrea agree to pull back its forces 25KM from the border inwards? Or will Ethiopia agree to a different and easier setting that stipulated in the Algeirs Agreement?

        • Kokhob Selam

          thank you Hayata, I agree on all what you said all. but still I would say EPLF is supposed to ask during at the right time when the national question was answered.

          The problem didn’t start in 1998 but in 1978 and before when the irresponsible EPLF leadership was not able to solve 2ndary contradiction (ELF was responsible too, the different is EPLF had Esquniz (AWALU) men more than ELF. this is what happens when you don’t clean your house in due time. today the case of EPLF is over. the good part is in containers and the worst part is on power. that is over horns first enemy is PFDJ. Eritrean freedom is not completed. what is the different between Mengstu times Eritrea and PFDJ’s Eritrea. the former was clearly saying Eritrea is part of Ethiopia while PFDJ is saying Eritrea is nothing. the mountains are the same mountains, the rivers are the same rivers, in fact today’s Eritrea is less than the first one.

  • Unless Eritreans try to see the real picture in good faith, that Eritrea
    never existed an Ethiopian colony, and try to understand that a piece of land, less than 0.001% of the land mass of Eritrea, cannot decide the fate of a whole nation, they will never find a cure for their predicament. Unfortunately, PFDJists and the opposition suffer from the same disease. This shows the insincerity of those who are in power, and unfortunately, the cluelessness of those in the opposition.

    Badme is used to obstruct the way towards democracy, economic
    development, the rule of law and equality between all Eritreans, and create a nation under an iron grip. If an insignificant piece of land is more important than the life of 5m Eritreans, then there is something wrong. A rational person will know his/her priorities, when it concerns a nation. Badme should have been put in the back seat for a future date, a long time ago before it caused such a big ailment. Everybody knows that badme will not be solved in the immediate future. The regime is stuck with it for its unholy purpose to stay in power, while the opposition adopts the same approach, because it cannot stomach Ethiopia having in her hands something it believes is Eritrean, and in addition, it is afraid that public opinion would not be with it, if it acted otherwise.

    As long as Eritreans have redefined colonialism, by removing its main
    characteristics of economic exploitation, segregation and cultural domination, which existed during the Italian colonialism, but not during the so-called Ethiopian colonialism, they will find it difficult to move forward. People who had their ancestors under a real colonialism and an apartheid system, should have known well what colonialism really is. The cry
    against Ethiopian colonialism has helped to start and sustain Gedli, but I doubt if the same recipe would work for independent Eritrea. Eritreans should face the reality and try to move forward. Stubbornness and willful misconception of the reality, are undermining the essence of Eritrea, and it is difficult to know, where they want to take the country, by creating an Eritrea that is an enemy of its own future.

    The term “colonialism” served a purpose so that Eritreans would believe
    that they fought for a rightful reason, as “freedom or slavery” decided the
    outcome during the referendum. How could one ever vote for slavery? Unless the whole truth is told, Eritreans cannot exonerate themselves and start a new beginning. Few real historians would ever write that Eritreans fought Ethiopian colonialism, but injustice that every Ethiopian, except the ruling class, suffered from, and there was indeed a nasty civil war, that caused pain and suffering.

    When federation was annulled, in which some Eritreans helped, although
    nothing was really lost, because most Eritrean either did not want it in the
    first place, or were not satisfied with it at a latter date, because it brought
    them to the same level with backward Ethiopians, nevertheless, it served well as a battle cry, to start and sustain the revolution.

    Therefore, a paradigm shift is required, if the predicament of the
    Eritrean nation is going to end, and Eritreans are to reach their dreamland, as Ethiopians are trying to do so.

    • tes

      Dear Horizon,

      When I see a free ride, I rarely allow the field and you are but I am reading you.

      Did you say, “Few real historians would ever write that Eritreans fought Ethiopian colonialism, but injustice that every Ethiopian, except the ruling class, suffered from, and there was indeed a nasty civil war, that caused pain and suffering.”

      Civil war? Are you talking about the war that happened and is still happening between Ethiopians themselves? Or, you are down playing the history of Grand Mama Ethiopia created by illusioned emperor Haile Silassie?

      And you are talking about our future. You put, “Stubbornness and willful misconception of the reality, are undermining the essence of Eritrea, and it is difficult to know, where they want to take the country, by creating an Eritrea that is an enemy of its own future.”

      Don’t worry about our future Horizon. What you can worry about is the future relationship b/n Eritrea and Ethiopia. Beyond that, today or tomorrow we will solve our problems.

      About the bloody war between the warmongers of Ethiopia and Eritrea, alas, it was a bloody war between an annexer and a liberator. It was neithre a war between a colonizer and a colonized or civil war among the same people who live in the same territory. Eritrea was a country since 1890 and you know that unless you are a fundamentalist Abyssinian.

      tes

      • Abinet

        Tes
        If I read you correctly, you are saying eritrea has never been colonized by ethiopia. It was only annexed .
        Now , how is your argument different from that of Horizon and Hayat ? As you see they have tried to show as the peculiar features of colonization. What is your take on that ?

        Ato Amanuel
        If you are arond I like to know your opinion on this particular issue .
        Thanks

        • tes

          WHy you are wasting your time if you don’t care about me, you old man? Get away from my way.

          • Abinet

            I didn’t expect this answer from an intellectual. Try again.
            While you are at it what do you mean by ” when I see a free ride, I rarely allow the field and you are but I am reading you ”
            Remember, your professor is in the house. Don’t embarrass her. You haven’t learned neither the writing skills nor the politeness from her. I’m sure you got F- in her course. Shame.

          • tes

            Yah this is the intellectual in ur evaluation

            “I never, never took you seriously at all . The only reason I read your comment is just to laugh.”

            Isn’t he? Old man.

          • Abinet

            Tes
            Sometimes my evaluation is wrong as evidenced by my evaluation of you . My apologies.

          • tes

            And this:

            “Remember, your professor is in the house. Don’t embarrass her. You haven’t learned neither the writing skills nor the politeness from her. I’m sure you got F- in her course. Shame.”

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Abinet,

          Whether we call it “colonialism or secessionism”, the current outcome ” two sovereign nation” living side by side peacefully is the only everlasting peace for both people. I believe the Ethiopian and Eritrea people have accepted the “verdict of history.” Going back for the definition, to explain the “political nomenclature” regarding the political arrangement between Ethiopia and Eritrea, in the last three decades before independence, is only an academic exercise at this point of our history. What good is good other than abiding by the “new reality” at this juncture of our history. What the new reality demands us, is how to live peacefully and cooperate on what the new reality open for us – a new political discourse. We can prosper economically and live peacefully together than we were on the old political arrangement. So Abinet let us focus on the “new reality” and use all the good opportunities to the benefit of the two good people.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

      • Dear tes,

        You said, “It was neither a war between a colonizer and a colonized or civil war among the same people who live in the same territory”, what was it then?
        If you have your house in order, it is not only to the advantage of Eritrea, but it is to Ethiopia’s as well, and even to the whole region.

        Please, do not be dragged into this Abyssinian fundamentalism mantra. It is not only untimely, it serves no purpose. Everybody knows Eritrea was created as an Italian colony. That does not mean that she never had any
        connection with peoples of the region. Always have in mind that we are going to live side by side, cooperate economically and politically, in the future, whether we like it or not. It will help a lot in Ethio-Eritrean discussions.

        • tes

          Dear Horizon,

          If peace can be made by sugar coating, well, we will see, too much sugar coating though.

          tes

    • selam

      If you are Eritrean i do think you are an opportunistic as i have sated before and if you are Ethiopian please ask any Ethiopian mother who lost her son or husband in the war with Eritrea. What does she feel about her lost ?

      We do not have any civil war , we fought against colonizers who come to our home to take our land by killing us.

      We have a clear vision for our country after the dictator and we don’t need any help from people like you to do that.
      But we do think it is natural to have a good relationship with our greedy neighbor even though they could not sleep due to lack of understanding of the Eritrean people.

      • Abinet

        Selam
        Until Horizon comes with some kind of answer , I will try my best.
        Ethiopian mothers are very sad because their sons and husbands were snatched from them for a war to keep the unity, to keep the eritreans who never liked us , the eritreans who conspired with the Arabs to hurt ethiopia, the eritreans who were the enemy within. Trust me an ethiopian mother was very sad.
        On the other side, eritrean mother was happy because her son died to bring independent eritrea .
        What about the current mothers from both sides?
        An ethiopian mother knows she can keep her son or husband with her , her son is not considered a slave, he has a little future,……
        Eritrean mother? I will give a real story . An eritrean women I closely know, just came back from eritrea after she paid a lot of money for smugglers for smuggling her 16 year old son to Tigray. I was at the ” party” to congratulate her.
        Please tell me a better story. Mine is awful.

        • Selam

          Ok lets take this from Eritrean side.

          Why will any ethiopian leader in the past ,think that Eritrea are their backyard that they can do what ever they like ? There was no any reason to think Eritrea as one part of Ethiopia .
          The reason they gave and now you are giving does not make any sense at all.

          Now lets go back to the feeling.I feel bad for both mothers from Eritrea and Ethiopia that they lost their loved once. The only reason for that was an arrogant ethiopian leaders who forced most Ethiopian young to die for their hunger of power. We Eritreans get killed to protect our life , our land and our dignity . Death is one time in your life and most Eritreans gave their life freely . What do you say to the most Eritrean people who gave their live to bullets with out contemplating for a second.

          At this time we find ourselves in a very difficult situation but this moment is not due to our choice for independence that must be very clear to any disillusioned out there.

          The mother that paid for her son to come to Ethiopia does not pay for her son to be ethiopian . she only smuggled him to protect her son from HGDEF which is less than 0.000001% of the Eritrean people. You and i know what kind of life they all these people in the Ethiopian refugee camp.
          Better story is ,we are not at least blaming Ethiopian leaders for HGDEF’s failure.

          That is also equal to the suffering of the Oromo people where they make 90% of the ethiopian prison. Think about this also the phenomenal of migration will not stop even after we dissolve HGDEF , that is what happening to ethiopians who are on their journey to better life some where else.

          • Abinet

            Selam
            The take away point for today is “we are not atleast blaming Ethiopian leaders for HGDEF’s failure ”
            That mother and all the mothers who send their children to ethiopia do not want them to be ethiopians. Not at all. But, they don’t want them in the free and independent eritrea either.
            Regarding the 99.99% vote , all I can say is it is impressive. BTW, what is the margin of error?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abinet,

            The “yes” and “no” percentage that was recorded by the “referendum commission” and UN are the votes from the “registered voting list” during the process of referendum. The margin of error will be negligible it there were errors at all in to it. I don’t think the margin of Error was much of concern with the overwhelming number of votes for “yes” as testified by the UN and other international observers.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            The percentage is important at all. I like you to comment on the colonization/ annexation issue.
            Thanks

          • selam

            The margine of error is just as netsliver polling system. +0.001 and -0.001in which the probability is + is more to accure.
            Do you have any clue how many oromo are in yemen and now even in Somalia. Do you think they love somalia than ethiopia .

      • All Ethiopians believe today that Ethiopians killed in Eritrea died for the wrong reason of keeping Eritrea part of Ethiopia. Ethiopia has proved that Eritrea is irrelevant to her, and she has shown that she can exist in peace and even achieve some economic development, which she could not have when she was with Eritrea. Nevertheless, Ethiopia has no reason to close her doors, if there is the wish on the Eritrean side for cooperation that will benefit both people.

        I hope you indeed have a clear vision for Eritrea, after DIA. Nevertheless, when you do not have a clear stand against the country’s predicaments and the regime that has caused it, it is difficult to be sure that you indeed have a clear vision. You have to work for a better Eritrea of the future, right from now
        and not wait until after DIA. DIA is destroying the land, and you do not seem to be worried about it. Unfortunately, DIA and the system he created, are going to be around for a long time, and the countries of the region are moving ahead together.
        This should have worried you a lot, and made you change trajectory.

        If Ethiopia is a greedy neighbor as you said, you have no choice but to avoid it. Nevertheless, things are not as simple as that. Cooperating with Ethiopia or any other country for that matter, is not a forced marriage, but a modus operandi of modern states.

        • destaa

          I am here because of your comment ” Ethiopia has proved that Eritrea is irrelevant to her” . Yes Ethiopia is growing even if we have bad relation with Eritrea. But that still does not make Eritrea irrelevant. After all by Eritrea, we refer the people and from my readings I have found that Eritreans were the teachers, shop owners, investors, and anything like other Ethiopians who contributed to our economy very well. Have you read addis fortune article which states how the current conflict is affecting northern Ethiopia? I know you are responding but let us not be angry b/c of our current debates
          http://addisfortune.net/columns/why-mekelle-lacks-vibrancy/

          • Dear Destaa,
            When I said, ” Ethiopia has proved that Eritrea is irrelevant to her”, it was in connection with what Eritrean elites used to say in the past, concerning especially the ports, that Ethiopia is nothing if she lost the ports. Otherwise, I am among those who believe that Ethiopia and Eritrea have a common future of peaceful and prosperous coexistence, as two countries tied together closely by mutual interest.
            Sorry for that.

          • destaa

            Dear Horizon
            Thank you for your response. Now I understand you very well

        • selam

          The geographical structure is way crude to avoid our greedy neighbor unless we would have done that long time ago.
          Now i wish all the best for your great great ethiopia to prosper and lift people from the dire poverty by doing so we will fight to make much money as we can .What i do not support and find little offensive is that, your understanding to judge the Eritrean people with out principle and vision.

          we can say too much about ethiopian peace and prosperity but i prefer to leave it to another day.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            You said “greedy neighbor” with a straight face. Your hostility and ill will to Ethiopia always comes through loud and clear, you cannot even hide it if you try.
            .
            Listen, some of your leaders thought that they will sit by the door with their cash register and tax (read extort) us for all the things coming and going. Well, honey, that door is shut. Find another way to make a living. You see, but then you may not see it, that is the result of greed.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Kim

            Ethiopian leaders were greedy and remains greedy that is not negotiable. You want prove turn the page of hailessilais , derg and the last leader who promised you asseb.
            I do not believe ports will carry the Eritrean economy by large margin of the GDP , port thing is just business. What we need from Ethiopian leaders is just peace . Do not come to our land.
            I have a great respect to the Ethiopian people but my ill to the elite weyane is just sky high. So lets meet when the time comes.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam, “the last leader” who is that? Meles or Desalegn. do you have any proof. ” we need evidence” Lol did I sound PA? but really who promise Assab?

          • selam

            First do you approve kim assertions
            ” some of your leaders thought that they will sit by the door with their cash register and tax (read extort) us for all the things coming and going ”

            Then i will reply to you

          • Kokhob Selam

            it seems your answer will depend on my reply. Why is that Selam?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            It is interesting. Now, you say that you don’t even hate Weyane, but the elites of Weyane.
            .
            I wonder, where I heard that before?
            .
            Being In the statistics business, do you know roughly how many Ethiopians (excluding mercenaries) work and live in Eritrea and how many Eritreans live and work in Ethiopia. Just the facts, please.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            I hate weyane these who are still on power and these who write false books too.
            I do not work on government labor of statistics and i have zero interest to know that.
            But by some estimates there are 100,000 opposition soldiers based in Eritrea.I hope they go some where out from Eritrea , i really do. I am not some one war mongering person , i support civil disobedience or demand their right in peaceful way.

            I do know there are many Eritreans who live in Ethiopia and work but not as before , do not forget the 80,000 Eritreans who were thrown out of their house and lost every penny of their hard earned wealth to weyane .

    • Amde

      Horizon

      I see the “colonialism” nonsense part of the foundation myth of Eritrea. Like most myths, it does not need to be true Just have enough people to believe in it.

      Badme is entering into this very same mythology of being perpetually wronged. If you notice, another one is being cooked up right now – that if it were not for the Ethiopians the Eritrean opposition would have been in Asmara right now. The logical conclusion then being that Ethiopia is supporting Isayyas.

      Excellent post.

      Amde

    • Gherhi

      Horizon,

      As you well know, Menelik II and the Italians drew the boundaries of Eritrea. Even then, it was more like a business deal rather than an intention to create a nation called Eritrea. A great majority of Eritreans actually acquired Eritrean nationalism during the Ghedli era. This is because the propaganda machine of ELF and EPLF was extremely well oiled and very purposeful. If you think it is the Eritrean elites with this crazy nationalism, oh boy, check with some Eritrean from some remote Eritrean area. That person wouldn’t know how to read and write but he or she will tell you the whole history of federation, annexation, you name it. It is a complete brainwashing that was done on Eritreans. Trying to convince Eritreans to think of Ethiopian as nothing other than brutal oppressors, colonizer, and aggressors is hopeless. I have given up because if the current predicament cannot teach Eritreans to look around and find realistic solutions, nothing will ever. The people who comment here are as educated and elite Eritreans as you will find anywhere else and you can see their extremely pathetic accusations of Habesha Fundamentalism. That is how incredibly hopeless and clueless Eritrean elites are and that is what makes me lose hope. We have a population of 3, 4, o4 5 million people (who knows how many Eritreans there are) who do not know exactly who their real enemy and detractor is. IA and PFDJ are actually a whole lot me smarter than you would think. They have gotten the whole population believing TPLF, agame, amhara, and Ethiopians in general are ready to reverse their independence. Abay Woldu said something about colonialism and how they need to rethink that definition as it applies to Ethiopia with respect to Eritrea. That has raised lots of people’s eyebrows. But he is the governor of Tigray. Can you imagine how Eritreans would mobilize if your president in Addis had said that?

      Anyway, we have a very long way to go and it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

      If like you said, people do not go back and read history prior to ghedli era, then nothing will change. Why was it difficult to decide the fate of Eritrea when other Africans were getting independence as in Somalia and Libya under Italian colonialism? It is not because the West like Haileselassie that much. In fact, they had rejected his claim that he needed access to the sea, they were not sympathetic with that idea – the US, Britain, France. Their main concern was that there was no cohesiveness in the people to grant them independence. Most of the highlanders wanted union with Ethiopia and the lowlanders are primarily nomads and they liked to be left alone except for a few of their elites who had other agendas and were extremely vocal. So it was decided that perhaps federation might bring about some kind of smooth transition into the future. Federation did not arise out of sympathy for Ethiopia rather it was for the sake of Eritrea because the people were very divided between the highlanders and the lowland elites. Splitting lowlands and highlands to Sudan and Ethiopia, respectively, was rejected. In my opinion that is because it would have created a logistical nightmare because where do you draw the split and you had Denkel that would have made things more complicated.

      In any case, a substantial portion of Eritrean nationalism is a reflection of the hate of Ethiopians and to that you can blame ghedli 100%.

  • Hayat Adem

    Gonbel,
    Yes, I’ve my skin in it and a lot more. But do you?
    I didn’t, couldn’t and wouldn’t say badme is Ethiopian. But what I said is true. My source for the 70yrs Badme in the Ethiopian hands is none but the duly court’s statement itself. If you recognize them for the verdict, you should recognize for what they said to, Ethiopia was asked to prove if it effectively and in solid continuity administered Badme for over 65 yrs, supposedly a threshold administration span to counter an authenticate map presented by Eritrea, Ethiopia could only provide document evidence for 35 years and then after briefly interrupted and controlled by ELF, it was handed over to TPLF on-wards. The court has decided for Eritrea giving weight to the map evidence. .
    Please don’t yell out too much. You can question anything of me if that helps accomplish anything. It is not as if I can’t do the same or more about you. The reason i don’t go there is just because it doesn’t worth my presence here. I have no plan to run for any office in post PFDJ so there is nothing that forces me to hold back or makes me 2nd think from speaking my mind and the truth as I see it. The closest public office i may dream of being part is civil-advocacy or think thank responsibility.

  • Nitricc

    You don’t get it, do you. you can keep lieing all you want but the fact is any one who drinks that much; at least they pass out right on the spot. a bottle of black label whisky has alcohol content of around 40%per Volume. and let’s assume the bottle contains 1000 ml. drinking a 40% alcoholic drinks in span of two hours; your blood alcohol content shoots up and Alcohol poisoning occurs and so much so alcohol will be all over in the bloodstream areas of the brain controlling basic functions and starts to shut down. since PIA walked out of the house and drove; either he is a super human or you are as always a lier. which one is it? even alcoholic person with high tolerance of alcohol; will pass out if not dead.
    you could have playing safe and should have said the whole day. but in two hours chemistry and physiology will reject you down right.
    how is doing your seven years old sister anyways? i hope she is doing fine. lol you are a joke.

  • Nitricc

    Guess who said those dumb and stupid things to say.

    “it is healthy any minority group to be threatened by the majority”

    dumb enough to be happy what happen in Rwanda.

    I believe that it is in the best interest for justice and in the best interest of the Eritrean people for Ethiopia to stay put. Yes you heard it right, I am saying that Ethiopia should keep occupying the territories it holds even after it said it accepted
    the ruling in principle.

    Anytime some one uses Justice to describe occupation; he must be him. you know!

    “When we have our national concuses Hayat Adem should be counted as two people while people like nitric shall
    be discounted”

    should i continue? there are more…..

    • ‘Gheteb

      Nitricc
      The person who said that ‘Nitricc should be discounted’ is wrong. Of course, Nitricc should be COUNTED. But, he may be right about Hayat Adem. How do you know Hayat Adem is not TWO persons instead of one. Think, Nitricc. Think. Think hard. I mean really hard.

      • Nitricc

        Gheteb; lol a good one. you got me. hahahah. Gheteb the reason i become interested to understand about Hayat was when she slap on the face of the entire people of Eritrea by saying ” it it wasn’t for the military support of TPLF; the Eritrean independence will never have materialized” of course no one stood up to her. yes, not Semere, not Aman Hidarat no one. then she embolden and encouraged to keep slapping the Eritrean people. well, someone has to stood up to her. I couldn’t think anything more insulting what she said about the brave Eritrean people. if the truth to be told; the Eritrean mechanized unite is the one who went all the way to 4-killo. When we tried to teach them how to drive a tank and drove it in to the ditch; we had no choice but to do it ourselves.

  • Semere Andom

    Dear Mahmuday:
    I prefer the meat but since you asked for it here is the bone, “etfeddel”
    Your challenge would have been daunting if it was not for Wedi Saleh who furnished the answer in Aug 2014 when TK, SGJ and Vet Mahmud were debating the gifting of Badme by EPLF to TPLF. Paraphrasing from memory here is what Wedi Saleh said then in explaining the gifting: “EPLF then had bigger fish to fry, that is securing independence and it did not want to get into conflict with its then ally TPLF and left it to be resolved in the future.” Now we are in the exactly same boat, we have even bigger fish to fry: freeing our people from PFDJ, an existential threat to our posterity and we should not get bogged down with a piece of land with Ethiopia as a current ally of the Eritrean people.
    Dear Mahmuday, you want to dichotomize it as internal vs. external enemies, but as it stands now, the Ethiopian government is an ally of he people of Eritrea and PFDJ is the enemy, who said “internal” enemy is less dangerous or less vicious than the external enemy. I actually would go further and say that given our precariously alarming situation the international community must focus on PFDJ and not Ethiopia in resolving our problems.
    As to your assertion of the idea that the Ethiopia stay put where it is in our territories will not galvanize the people to fight PFDJ, my answer is we do not know that, how do you know? I am sure that if the referendum is held to day again to ask/opt for unification, the Eritrea people will reject unification with a land slide vote , but to the question of , “do you want Ethiopia to first withdraw from our occupied territories or do you want first PFDJ to be removed, or to the question of, “do you support Ethiopia to help a united opposition to remove PFDJ.” the jury is still is out on that. If the question is asked without lacing it with unification as you most probably did with “aboy” Qeshi, as there is not mention or insinuation of union here, it is pure prioritizing or a matter of urgency.
    We have two problems, PFDJ bringing destroying the nation to the stone-age and Ethiopia occupying our land, which one is more dangerous, your problem is you have not accepted the fact that your friends who you knew 25 years are incapable of bringing the nation to collapse, to you they are just “internal’ enemies we can deal with them. When the internal is wrecking havoc and the external is merely being insolent, you are saying we remove the insolent first.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      semere
      I think we have put our views out there and the rest? Well, if I can find you in the Starbucks, I would squeeze your ears so hard till HM shrills ring in your ears. I have no idea why you attach opposing pfdj to Ethiopia’s staying put occupying Eritrean lands? I just don’t understand that.

      • Semere Andom

        Well that strip of yours without Nitrikay is still pending so you never know 🙂
        Nitricc knows what to do to come along with you 🙂
        Eti zterfe ab libika yehdro 😉

    • tes

      Dear Semere A.,

      The thing is, PFDJ and the school of chauvinist want to make sure that the opposition to take responsibilty on the badme issue. As I said before, the Badme issue was Eritrean issue before and hence ELF took it in that way. Then EPLF came and snatched it to make it as his own issue to use it in his political game with his ally. Then, PFDJ wanted to break from the EPLF-TPLF established political game and one of the binding case that can escalate for the divorce was the Badme issue and hence he took it from EPLF.

      PFDJ imagined it was easy to be handed. Even for his under-estimation, he sent couples of military officers and started the fire. Then, TPLF became smart and transformed it to national issue (Ethiopian) and declared a war via his parliament. PFDJ didn’t call for war but transformed it as if Ethiopia declared war on Eritrea. The people of Eritrea came in and defended his sovereign country.

      When the people came in, PFDJ took advantage of it and enslaved the whole people. He didn’t hand the Badme issue to the people as the divorce between EPLF-TPLF waas not complete as it was imagined.

      World community came-in thinking that it was country-to-country issue and he ruled his decision. Hence, the case ENDED.

      Now, we don’t have the badme issue. It is a dead issue. Ethiopia is in the Eritrean soils for a different reason.

      In our case, PFDJ is the enemy. he wanted us to be the hostage of his failures. All what he is looking is an opposition camp which takes all the failures. Can we be that much ignorant to fall in his trap?

      tes

    • tes

      Dear Semere A.,

      The thing is, PFDJ and the school of chauvinist want to make sure that the opposition to take responsibilty on the badme issue. As I said before, the Badme issue was Eritrean issue before and hence ELF took it in that way. Then EPLF came and snatched it to make it as his own issue to use it in his political game with his ally. Then, PFDJ wanted to break from the EPLF-TPLF established political game and one of the binding case that can escalate for the divorce was the Badme issue and hence he took it from EPLF.

      PFDJ imagined it was easy to be handled. In line to his under-estimation approach, he sent couples of military officers and started the fire. Then, TPLF became smart and transformed it to national issue (Ethiopian) and declared a war via his parliament. PFDJ didn’t call for war but transformed it as if Ethiopia declared war on Eritrea. The people of Eritrea came in and defended his sovereign country.

      When the people came in, PFDJ took advantage of it and enslaved the whole people. He didn’t hand the Badme issue to the people as the divorce between EPLF-TPLF waas not complete as it was imagined.

      World community came-in thinking that it was country-to-country issue and they ruled their final and binding decision. Hence, the case ENDED.

      Now, we don’t have the badme issue. It is a dead issue. Ethiopia is in the Eritrean soils for a different reason.

      In our case, PFDJ is the enemy. he wanted us to be the hostage of his failures. All what he is looking is an opposition camp which takes all the failures. Can we be that much ignorant to fall in his trap?

      tes

    • ‘Gheteb

      Mr. Semere,
      My previous response didn’t make it through Disqus and it could be held up in queue or may disappear and never make it to the forum. But, here again I am writing another response and hopefully both posts will impart similar messages.
      You are asserting that “the Ethiopian government is an ally of the Eritrean people and PFDJ is the enemy”. When I read the afore-quoted assertion, the first question that sprang in mind was: Is the Ethiopian government an ally of the Eritrean people? What is the agenda of the Ethiopian government vis-à-vis Eritrea? I don’t think Mr. Semere REALLY knows what the real Ethiopian agenda IS regarding Eritrea. I don’t believe even for split second that he is privy to such kind of information; nor has he offered any tangible and convincing evidence that he is in the know about the actual and true Ethiopian plan regarding Eritrea. So what we are left with is an assertion made by Mr. Semere stating that “Ethiopia is an ally of the Eritrean people”. Such kind of an assertion that are unsupported by evidence is also called “an ipse dixit” and that is precisely what Mr. Semere’s assertion is. He has provided nothing to buttress his assertion. I know he is going to say something in the order of: Well, Ethiopia is helping the opposition group; there are over 100,000 Eritrean refuges that Ethiopia is hosting; many Eritreans are the beneficiaries of scholarships Ethiopia is providing and so on and so forth. I will say that if the number Eritrean refugees is the yardstick through which you measure who is your ally or not, then it stands to reason that Sudan should be considered more of an ally of the Eritrean people than Ethiopia is. I know, Mr. Semere will say, but Ethiopia is helping the Eritrean opposition groups and Sudan isn’t. To which my riposte will be: Did Ethiopia REALLY helped the Eritrean opposition groups? I will hasten and add that Ethiopia not only has paralyzed the Eritrean opposition groups, but the opposition groups relationship with Ethiopia has had a deleterious effect simply because Ethiopia has created the propitious milieu for the proliferation of organizations and fronts some of which are openly espousing fissiparous political programs. I would also add that in the past 16 years, the alliance of the opposition group with Ethiopia has produced nothing tangible.
      What I also find hard to grasp is the fact that Mr. Semere doesn’t seem to mention recent statements that reflect and show the real agenda of the TPLF-led Ethiopian government. In a recent interview with the VOA when asked about his reaction about the book written by Gebru Asrat, Ayte Sebhat Nega said that they always regarded the Eritrean issue as a colonial question and that stand needs to reviewed and revisited again hinting pointedly to the future undoing of Eritrea’s nationhood. I am merely mentioning this to show that one can spout the assertion that the Ethiopian government is an ally of the Eritrean people. However, such utterances seem to derive merely from faith undisciplined by reason and therefore will have serious repercussions. If, however, such assertions are purblindly made for political expediency, then they will fail to achieve even the desired goal which is the ousting of the PFDJ regime. The reason is simple. With no clear-eyed vision that is implacably nationalistic, independent, the opposition groupings will fail to garner the support of the Eritrean people that they desperately need if their agenda is to bear fruit and ultimately succeed. In the absence of a clear-cut strategic thinking, the opposition group are doomed to be perceived by the Eritrean populace as nothing more than a congeries appended to an entity they know as Weyane. And this has so far proven to be a non winning formula and will remain so in so far as these opposition groupings are considered as pawns in a Weyane chess game that they seem oblivious to or don’t seem to look askance at.
      Mr. Semere seems not to care a whit if Ethiopia “stay put” in Badme till the enemy of the Eritrean people, the PFDJ, is obliterated from the face of the Earth. His reasoning for his stand are manifold. He believes that the occupation of Badme will show that PFDJ is “impotent”; Badme is not a big deal when PFDJ is wreaking havoc in Eritrea and therefore the issue of Badme is not of paramount importance in the scheme of things etc. etc….. What Mr. Semere has failed to understand is what the real feelings of the Eritrean people regarding Badme, a sovereign Eritrean territory still occupied by a foreign force that they vividly remember as the one that wrought destruction on their country; in its defense many of their sons and daughters lost life and limb. Sure, Mr. Semere will be quick to point out that the Eritrean peoples main concern is how to obtain bread and make it through the day. However, it behooves Mr. Semere and his likes to remember what Marx said about such things: ” A man can’t live without bread, but he can’t live on bread only”. Here they seem to forget about an entrenched reality called Eritrean nationalism that is deeply ingrained in the Eritrean psyche that can never be easily assuaged by blaming anything and everything under the Sun on PFDJ. The Eritrean people exactly know who is occupying their land; they also know who has reneged on the EEBC rulings. Such a failure of calling on Ethiopia to abide by the border commission’s rulings tells the Eritrean people that the opposition groups are not independent, but they are actually toeing the Weyanes lines. Of course, Mr.Semere and his likes won’t say it publicly, but it is not lost to those who know a thing or two about the oppositions groups why they don’t want to do it simply because it would anger and disappoint and their alliance with their main benefactor the Weyane-led Ethiopian government will be in jeopardy and hence they don’t want to loose the support they get from the Weyanes. To them, Eritrea’s sovereignty can wait and Ethiopia can occupy Badme and they will render their blessing till such time the issue of Badme becomes unimportant to the Weyanes. Wallowing in such kind of political thinking is without a doubt a no winning strategy or formula. The past 15 years precisely attest to it.

      • saay7

        Wo Second Cousin Gheteb*:

        I have an awate-forum-skeptic friend who teases me: “is everybody at awate related to you and Saleh Gadi?” So you called me second cousin for real, I am sure she was having fun. Ha! It took me a little time to recognize my second cousin, I had to wait for the latin phrases and the english words I didn’t know (metiere): but now, found the cable and connected it. Say hi to my cousin Hope:)

        Go easy on my friend Semere: he means well but he is Koriyu alo. His eyes, like an eagle are focused on the criminality of PFDJ (that could keep one busy full time) and he is forgetting Wed Sheikh’s admonition “yinithamel haqo ila….ask mdol egl eb ekitna gl nmber…asesnaha sewret adal”. He certainly is not an Abyssinian Fundamentalists like the ones you have clearly identified….

        Wo Semere Huye:

        This week alone:

        * EPRDF, to cover up its bumbling Inspector Clouseau act (Spycables said that the Ethiopian intelligence was so bad that South African intelligence had to take actions to protect the assassination attempt of the AU Chairman), it had the AU write a press release showing how wonderful the Ethiopian intelligence was;

        * EPRDF is creating a “clan federation” in Somalia (mimicking its ethnic federation): one entirely focused on its own national security of elevating the Ogadeni clan in Somalia (and therefore in Ethiopia), now with its own port of Kismayo and it has the usual suspects (Heritage Institute) running surveys to show, yep, this is what the Somalis want:

        http://www.heritageinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/HIPS-Briefing-Federal-Somalia-ENG-3.pdf

        * The Sudanese speaker of the house invited Eritrea to the inter-parliamentary IGAD meeting, and Ethiopia used its chips to exclude Eritrea… something that was easy to accomplish, given the insanity of Isaias Afwerki and his advisors.

        All of this happened this week. Wo Semere Huye, Wad Abuye. What Eritrea needs is smart folks like you who advocate what’s good for Eritrea, irrespective of our current but passing predicament: we have a deformed party leading Eritrea; we have a wanna-be Abyssian fundamentalists leading Ethiopia. And we have an even more diluted Abyssinian fundamentalists (Eritrean Rukan) venerating the ethno-bully system now in charge of Ethiopia. They are not your kind of crowd Semere Huye. Dump them and run away very fast in the opposite direction.

        Asasnaha sewrat Adal

        saay

        PS: Gheteb, cousin. I know you get bored easily; but you have to stick around long enough to fumigate this forum from the Abyssinian fundamentalists 🙂 Even Freselam who gained fame singing praises to Asmara went to Ethiopia and is now telling us that Asmara and Addis are two rooms in a house.

        http://youtu.be/UViB_5jMaPk

        In the name of that awful town called Keren I beg of you:)

        http://youtu.be/Z2iQQv0nCxg

      • Peace!

        Dear Gheteb,

        What can I say, you just made my day!

        I really feel sorry for the genuine opposition members who have nothing but democratic and prosper Eritrea in their mind. The reality is unfortunately the opposition camp has been hijacked by the Neo-Andnetists whom their implicit goals are subjugation through ethnic caste and mutate, or even dissipate if possible, Eritrean historical tenets to accommodate inconvenient Ethiopian false claim and flawed hope. It is safe to say that every attempt to achieve these goals has, until now, failed miserably, and will continue to persist if they can only see through a lens shaped by hardcore TPLFites.

        regards

      • Hayat Adem

        Gheteb,
        Funny things don’t seem be in short supply in today’s Eritrea. Gheteb picks a name of place he doesn’t know where it is. Nitricc cries wrongly about a people who doesn’t know where they are, who and what they are. And the Eritreaness of the rest of us is questionable!
        Yes, Ethiopia is an ally. You can also say Sudan is an ally too. A country can have more than one allies. So despite too much verbose wording, you didn’t make any point by mentioning Sudan. Again, Ethiopia is an ally and it can be proven beyond doubts. PFDJ is the number one enemy and this too can be explained beyond doubts.
        I thought Sibhat’s interview was more of a re-assurance of his stand in support of Eritrea’s independence than anything else. He reiterated that in no uncertainty and in a way anyone, even the dumb ones would understand it. Was the Eritrean struggle for independence a struggle to free ourselves from a colonial hold?
        ELF and EPLF and TPLF/EPRDF believed so. ELF is no more around. PFDJ doesn’t believe so any more. It now describes it differently weirdly as a colonial by proxy. Funny:) Sibhat said though he doesn’t believe it has any consequences on Eritreans’ desire and choice for independence and it is merely of academic interest, he wants scholars to discourse on it. He said that as an individual and it is a sign of knowledge growth on his part. I say that he was right to say that and TPLF is wrong until today as they haven’t officially revised it. Counting Ethiopia as a colonial power doesn’t make sense. A Colonial power had to have more modernized advantages over its colony; it has to be historically and culturally alien to the colony and its presence is all about exploiting resources. Nothing of that sort.
        Eritrean independence can be well supported and justified without colonialism. The moment you tie up your independence aspiration to colonialism, it becomes shaky. That means you have to prove Eritrea in deed was a colony of Ethiopia. That is not possible because that is not true.
        As to question of Badime, you are ganging up against Semere but you all know he is right. First, it was in thehands of Ethiopians at least for the last 70+ years. Second, there is nothing you can do about it except talk. It is a fate totally owned by the Ethiopians. Third, It is not an urgent priority that is feared to break the back of Eritrea in no time. But PFDJ is. Eritreans understand this fact very well unless you want us to believe the reason they are crossing over is not because they are running away from PFDJ but running to Badime. Everyone who toils to sell the idea of Badime as an Eritrean priority is knowingly or unknowingly offering a face-saving exit to PFDJ.

        • selam

          Why will scholars have any thing to say about Eritrea’s independence ?
          Ethiopia was a colonial power at least we Eritreans believe that. They have forced us to speak Amharic which is totally foreign to most Eritreans. They have displaced our people from their home, they took our wealth, they killed our young, our mothers just because they were Muslims e.g sheib and other places where predominantly Muslims where targeted. Do not forget the resettlement idea too.
          Ethiopia was and is culturally foreign to Eritrea , i can not see Amharic, has any thing to do with Eritreans at large.
          Hailesilaisie was looking to our resources , i do not think he cares about our health.

          Ethiopian government is not an ally of the Eritrean people actually it is the enemy of the Eritrean people, but that should not distract us from our first priority which is destroying HGDEF.

          They can keep badme until we solve our problem after that we should demand our land using every available ways. As a matter of facts we are only talking on every issue there is not getting done.

          • Abinet

            Selam
            Kemey
            Since you live in asmara, tell me people’s attitudes towards ethiopia and ethiopians . If you take a poll today, what percentage of them still choose independence?
            What do people say about badume?
            Yeqenyeley

          • selam

            To be honest they will care less about what we say here in awate.com because they are just thinking about their daily life.That sadness med deeply but that is the fact Abinet.

            They will vote 99.99% for independence . The feeling about being independent country is already with their blood so no question about that. Even here in this site awate.com , if we vote the chance is that we will vote 90% for independence, i mean minus some opportunists .

            About badme , i can say confidently they do not care to the extent of independence but i can say most people still have the memories of the war and the lost heroes defending it.
            The feeling about badme is just not in the talk of the cafe’s.

          • sarah ogbay

            Dear Selam,
            I would not call the people who are not pro independence ‘oportunists’. Not if I believe in the right of having an opinion and belief. They have the right to believe that independence has not brought eritreans a better life than colonialism. After all life is short if you spend half of it fighting for freedom and half of it in misery under dictatorship, what is there in it for you? You may refer to them as ‘ short sighted’ but ‘opportunists’ is to harsh. Just saying.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sarah,
            Your argument would be correct if only you compared the “what is there in it for me,” with those who gave everything they have, their life. There was nothing in it for them, and they knew it. They only had a conviction to serve their people and country. The fact that post-independence rulers became worse than the colonizers does not diminish the sacrifices paid by Eritreans. In matters of public service, and voluntary work, the philosophy of “what is in it for me” is not applicable. In fact, seen with patriotic glasses, it is an insult and lacks taste. I hope you are aware of that difference when you are tempted to defend others in order not to underestimate (even unknowingly) the sacrifices of those who paid the ultimate price. I wouldn’t like to live in a world where “what is in it for me” is not the only basis of making decision.

          • sarah ogbay

            Dear Saleh and selam,
            I mentioned the ‘what is in it for me?’ Thing in the present context where Abnet, Hayat and Selam were discussing and not in the struggle for independence context. I am not trying to defend opportunists because the primary opportunists I see in eritrea are those who witnessed their ‘btsay’ fall, those who burried many of their dear ‘btsot’ and yet have become oppressors of the very people who their ‘btsot’ gave their lives for.
            Saleh, isn’ t it in light of these very opportunists’ betrayal that we find ourselves in such a predicament? Yet even these opportunists would not opt for unity with Ethiopia as Selam implied.
            My comment comes with the new expression or saying that has become in Eritrea recently to express how bad things are there. The expression goes like this ‘If this is freedom/ independence, then there was no megzaeti’. I am talking about the young people who have been numbed with hurt that they have started to feel numb as far as independence or nationalism is concerned. These are young people who have not experiences megzaeti but have heard about it. I am talking about them.
            As far as the martyrs are concerned they gave their lives willingly so that we do not experience what we are experiencing now and we are fighting to put their dream in it right place. I am saying use the word opportunists for the right people.
            Saleh I hope you now understand where I am coming from.

          • selam

            These people (HGDEF) are people who are doing what ever it takes to make their adventure sky high by keeping us in prison. These people could not be taken as opportunistic because they happens to be the actors.Opportunists are not actors they are just on the side show who are waiting on a specific time to benefit themselves

            Someone who is willing to trade favors or services for mutual advantage like the christian highlanders who advocate for Eritrea to be with Ethiopia from a very narrow side of their greedy head in 1961.
            These people who question our independence are an outsiders who seeks power or success presumptuously; ” unscrupulous person who knows how to circumvent difficulties a person who is unusually selfish – one who conforms to current ways and opinions for personal advantage. HGDEF are doing what they think is ok for them they are not waiting circumvent.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Selam,

            Do you have the “vote tally” of the “Eritrean assembly” during the annexation debate which legitimate the union of Eritrea with Ethiopia? Can you show us some “hard facts” that makes you, and brought you to a conclusion, that the christian highlanders were the deciding voice for annexation? Why do you bring such none sense argument after we bleed and sacrifice side by side for the same vision and objectives to free the land called “Eritrea”? Is this the aim to crystalize the division we already have?

          • selam

            Cool down ema , i was explaining to sara about same opportunistic eritreans unless i do not have any tally even though i can say that was the case. Again i am not denying the sucrifice by the highlanders to our independence.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam,

            So you are saying there were no opportunist within the lowlanders. There were only from the highlanders. What an absurd and none sense argument ! Answer to my questions to validate your argument. If you don’t have the “tally” don’t spit your lies here to divide our people.

          • selam

            I am not dividing the Eritrean people and i will never dare to do such thing. What i said was about opportunistics, which happens to be from high landers and that is what i have untill now and you want to correct me , just tell me what you have unless i do believe that is what happened long time ago

            So who was then supporting the federation ? tell me , i said i have no tally but i can make a good argument , but for you the argument will make no sense as you told me.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam,

            You asked me who support the federation. The answer for your question is all the parties that exist during that time, Including Rabita-al-islamia lead by the respectful politician of that era “Ibrahim Sultan” and others. Could you stop from making statements on issues you don’t have any clue about it.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam
            Please focus on timely issues. You have the potential. I concur with AH answer. In addition, don’t forget the Muslim or lowland was not all in the same boat calling for independent Eritrea. Aboy welwel once said that sheik Ibrahim sultan saved the unity of Eritrea. That’s because there were Eritreans who advocated for Uniting with the Sudan, because the pressure from Andnerawyan seemed unsurramounted at that time. The Federal arrangement was the best choice left out for the nationalists. With the weights of figures like welwel and Ibrahim sultan, both extremes, those who advocated for unconditional unity with Ethiopia and those who opposed this and instead advocated for a counter-extreme proposal for Uniting with sudan were brought to the center saving Eritrea from splitting. Ethiopia would not care if western Eritrea seceded to sudan. This stage demands that the likes of those two giants and their ideas be appreciated and learned from.

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel,

            She just misread the Watiqaa of ELL and is using that language randomly. Beyond, it is good if don’t go to selam to debate her with her arrogant PFDJ mind. She is hate generating PFDJista.

            tes

          • sarah ogbay

            Selam, are you for real?
            ‘Someone who is willing to trade favors or services for mutual advantage like the christian highlanders who advocate for Eritrea to be with Ethiopia from a very narrow side of their greedy head in 1961.’
            Who are you to make such judgement about highlanders? What evidence do you have to come to such conculusions about christian highlanders?
            Secondly, when you talk about who is the opportunist in Eritrea, think about all the ministers, general, colonels, who know what they are doing is wrong and still betray their people for whatever small advantage they get— these are all opportunists and traitors ! Those who do what they do believing in it are actors.
            Finally, what Abnet asked you was about eritreans in asmara and what their attutudes towards ethiopians are today. And you responded mentioning oppotunists who would contest independence. And my comment was on your use of the word opportunists. What took you to 1961? And christian highlanders?

          • tes

            Dear Dr; Sara,

            Abinet on his fundamentalist Abbysinianism and selam on her PFDJism are nothing but widening the gaps. They both work to divide. let’s be cutious on them and let not be trapped in their political venomic word usage.

            With regards
            tes

          • selam

            Mr. tes , who told you , you are the only one opposing HGDEf , who gave you the power to say to you are this and this. You are the most arrogant person ever in this site.

          • tes

            Remember my Newton’s Law towards you.

          • selam

            Lets do it then, i said you are the most arrogant person ever in this site. Tesfe do not try to intimidate me or insult me though.

          • tes

            I am a cool person actually. You will fall in love with me though I am married (just kidding)!!!. But our love will not be like that of Hayat and Nitricc rather + and – poles of the same magnet, facing in opposite direction.

            Remember, I told you before, I know how to handle you. I can make you angry easily. (serious now)

          • selam

            You always told me you will do this and that , i have never seen that . I know you are married and have a kid too so nothing there .I am not going to fall in love with arrogant person. The thing is you can not handle me either. We are way way different and i am extremely ugly and picky though. Now what is this thing making you angry at me? what is it ?

          • selam

            You mean you have prove the highlanders did not support for federation more than the lowlanders ?

            As for abinet she is asking me from ethiopian perspective and i do reply from my own Eritrean perspective in which i have the right. Now i am not talking about generals and ministers or what so ever . is n’t it clear that Eritrea is an independent state. May be for you it is like what is it for me in the box but for most Eritreans it is quite different sara. We can not lose our way because HGDEF are evil. HGDEF are the current government of Eritrea , even though i hate to admit that but it is the fact.

          • selam

            Yes i am for real sara , will you want me to buy every thing u said. Why will i do that ?
            First of all i am responding to abinet on my own terms. For what i have said if you do not agree disprove me then.

            About generals and misnters i do know and i have the same understanding as you clearly explained on the above post.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Sara,
            I understand the situation at home is bad and sometimes it comes people lose their rationality. I agree with you on that. However, my point was: in trying to disprove something someone said, if we are not careful, we are so focused on what we are replying to and might make mistakes. I just wanted you to be be cautious in such instances. That is because I do not believe you were underestimating the sacrifices of Eritreans, and your comment might give a wrong impression. Just an advice, nothing more.

            Cheers

          • Abinet

            Ato Saleh
            Unfortunately we live in the world where everyone asks ” what is in it for me ” on a daily basis. Please don’t remind me socialism. It is perfectly alright for an eritrean to ask the same if we agree on the fact that eritrea is part of this world.
            If someone with your kind of attitude in this very topic becomes the next president of eritrea, how is he different from IA. He also said there is only collective reward in independent eritrea not individual reward. Correct me if I’m way off.
            Thanks.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tena YesTilegn Lij Abinet,

            Don’t worry about my becoming president, I will never be one. But I believe that statement was an overstretch. I think our difference is between selfishness and generosity, and theie variations.

            If you think duty and patriotism belong only to socialism, then we have a problem. If this world is as you paint it to be, where “everyone asks what is in it for me” then we live in two different worlds. I recognize there are quite a number of people who think that way. But there are also selfless people who have a sense of duty, and serve without asking or even think what is in it for them. Let me elaborate: a peasant in Ethiopia had a small farm from which his family survived. There was no risk that any occupation, be it Fascist Italy or otherwise, be it feudal rule of socialist, would ever take that field from him. He lived in the countryside and had little or no dealings with the changing regimes. However, he feels a sense of duty and fights the unjust regimes. Obviously there was nothing in it for him, in the personal sense. Yet, he fights and Ethiopians today call him “Arbegna” maybe it was someone who was killed trying to rid his country of the oppressors. Maybe he lost a limb. But certainly there was nothing in it for him, but for his people and country.

            Dear Abinet, don’t let the selfish attitude, the bad part of modern capitalism, robe you of your humanity. This world is not run on selfishness alone, but also on compassion, serving others and a sense of duty. Doing good is a sense of goodness, most of the time no personal benefit is derived from it. An individual rushes to a busy street, with great risk on himself, just to save a child. Or a cat! There is nothing in it for him! The “what is in it for me” crowd are responsible for all the calamities of the world, warmongers and polluters of the environment and the like.

            And that my friend, does not give you any reason to insult me by likening my attitude to that of Isaias. If he had a generous attitudes, like the one I am trying to explain, we wouldn’t be a laughing stock for anyone who can type a few words.

            Finally Abinet, I hate to live surrounded by selfish people whose every step is dictated by “what is in it for me?” Now my dear, it is time to liken my attitude with that of your local priest 🙂

          • Abinet

            Ato Saleh, endemin walu?

            1 . I don’t expect you to be president. I don’t think you are shroud enough to be one.
            2 . I never compare you with IA . I compare IA with the likes of mengistu.
            3. I can type more than a few words. I don’t appreciate writing pages and say nothing. 4. You don’t want me to compare you to a priest. They , most of the time, preach what they don’t practice.

            The difference between I and you is not between selfishness and generosity as you put it . I said what I experienced in the world. You wanted to live in a Utopian Socialism.
            Of course everybody like that. However, the reality is further than that .
            The reality is ” hulum lerasu, Egziabher lehulum ”
            May be it is totally different in Eritrean psych. To defend a country is something to be inslaved in your own country and call it generosity, is beyond my comprehension. Sorry.

            the world

          • tes

            Slowly you are coming to be fully exposed. Go on putting your venom words. Old man.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Abinet, overstretching creates misunderstanding. My comment to which you replied didn’t go anywhere but remained in topic: selfishness and generosity. Even if the whole world becomes selfish, generosity doesn’t lose (or change) its value. There are human values that we must all maintain and cherish regardless of what happens around us. As for defending a country in which a regime is enslaving its own people, the world would be unlivable if we were to throw away every bed because a child peed on it. We clean it Abinet, and we will clean Eritrea. That my friend, explains my objection to your comment: going out of your way to belittle Eritrean nationalism. Was that necessary? Was that even in the topic? I thought we were discussing human values, regardless of nationalities!

            I understand when you throw jabs and under the belt comments in like with those who are fond of jabs—but to jump on someone who didn’t touch you is not nice, Abunet. Please also remember that both Jekyll and Hyde live inside us, I try hard to subdue the Hyde in me. That is why I am not interested in jabs, but serious, respectful debate. Please help me keep Hyde in seclusion 🙂

            NB: don’t take the Jekyll and Hyde thing literally otherwise we will end up in a tangent.

          • Peace!

            Hi Dr Sara,

            Apparently your inverted logic that “what is there in it for you” doesn’t absolve those opportunists and their masters, and more importantly fails to address the primary reasons for the struggle which was to end colonization. The choice other than independence was unity with colonizers whom are responsible for committing genocide against innocent Eritreans, which of course it wasn’t the right choice except for short sighted opportunists. Eritrea, like any other country, has her own sellouts, opportunists, and hypocrites, but the good thing is they are very few.

            regards

          • selam

            Sara

            Thanks to the hard work and heavy price of our people , these opportunistic people only can dream.
            self serving people try to define life only about themselves and that is called coward.
            Heckling is an act of cowardice. If you want to speak, get up in front of the microphone and speak, don’t sit in the dark hiding. It’s easy to hide and shout and waste people’s time.These people who waste their time telling us we can not win have been the same again and again with wrong understanding of our people.
            Now what are they then , i do not believe derg was nice either , do you think life with derg was longer and nice ? We have tested both and i can confidently say our independence should not be tested by some who are opportunistic.The reason they question our independence remains to be the same , and that is greed nothing else. May be you have little memory or may be you are not affected. As far as i can tell ,99.99% of Eritreans will reject your defense to these evil opportunistic.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            The schoalrs have nothing to do with Eritrean independence. The independence thing is a done deal, Nobody is looking back including the Ethiopians, Unless Eritreans blunder with it like in total state collapse, civil war and much more increased rate of exodus, I don’t see any threat on Eritrean independence. The scholars may be needed to look into the nature of the Ethiopian occupation of Eritrea after Italy.
            If Ethiopia did all of that, it doesn’t necessarily make her a colonial power. There are characteristics that go with a colonial country. They have to be totally strange people from far away. There is nothing you share with them culturally. They have to be at capitalistic stage and they need a lot of resources and raw materials and labor from that colony. They bring their people to the colony and settle them in a segregated neighborhood. You would never think of a relationship of federation between the colonial and the colony…
            I agree with you on Badime

          • selam

            I do agree on the independence. I just chip from some of your paragraph related to one TPLF leader so let me pass on that.

            Colonizers are defined like GEZAETI in tigrina ,tigre ,bilen in any other Eritrean society so we should have our own term for that word. Now , let me ask you this ,why do Ethiopians come to Eritrea at the first place do they come to help us ? is it n’t true and fact that we where in more good position to rule our land than them. Think about this also the federation thing was also not right except for very few highlanders (Christians) unless my great great great grandfather never approve that.
            You can look to what american official said about federation and aspiration of the Eritrean people for independence.

          • Hayat Adem

            I’m sure you are not asking me to walk you through history. Ethiopians claimed Eritrea to be theirs because they said Italy and Britain took it by force. And once colonialism and fascism were defeated they claimed what the believed was theirs. You know the Eritrean side of the story.

          • selam

            It is sad that we are talking about the past but history should be told from the owners side . I mean we Eritreans own our history and should have the right to say that Ethiopians where colonizers who came with droves to kill our people just to have access to the sea.

            There should be intellectuals understanding that Eritreans if they don’t ask for compensation at least they should define what was it then about the barbaric killing of our people by Ethiopians.

            There was not any bases for any ethiopian to believe Eritrea as a part of ethiopia .

            Thank to the Eritrean people they are very forgetful , they tend to forgive the Ethiopians.

            My mam used to ask , why the world allowed mengistu hailem to live ? And my father used to answer ” the world community does not love justice than money”.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Do you you really think that I didn’t know where ‘Gheteb is? Do you by any chance still want to believe that I thought it was located in some supernal place? Maybe you want to convince yourself that I thought it was close to “Seloda”, “Meda Akhura”, “Alaje Daero Tekhli”, “Adyabo”, “Enda Tsion”, or “Semelmoda”?

          All I have said are here in this forum and no amounts of spinning is going to change the FACTS about what I knew and what I didn’t know about that historical site. Anyone who can add to what I already know is more than welcome to do so. Since you have been posing as if you know more about Eritrea and its people, here is a challenge to you: Do you have any NEW information to add to what is publicy known in this forum about ‘Gheteb so far? If you can do that, ”then I will pay you honor and acknowledgement”.

          You have also accused me of “ganging up” against Semere A regarding the issue of Badme. Here the operative word is “gang up”. In addition to all the other words you have deployed such as “bleeding nose”, “bruises all over your body”, “tough talk”, now you have added another word from your “active dictionary”. I have a theory which essentially states that since the TPLF led government of Ethiopia is described by some Ethiopian intellectuals as “thugocracy”, a government and a system that is virtually led by thugs, it will, perforce, inspire its devotees such as yourself to utilize thuggish words, contrary to their protestation to civility. The list of words that I have listed above from your “active dictionary” eerily conjures up images of sheer violence.

          Finally, I am doing this just for fun for I am not into nitpicking. You asserted that,” … despite too much verbose wording….” Oh my! Oh my! Do you even know what ‘verbose’ means? Yeah, taking a swipe, but the same swipe revealing more about you and not about the target of your swipe. My! My! My!
          As you may have noticed, I haven’t even tried to comment on the “ideas” contained in your comment, but merely on those little things that reveal more about your mind-set.

          • Hayat Adem

            I’ll wait until you comment on the “ideas”. This shouldn’t tell you as if I’m not enjoying our exchanges but I prefer we do it on “ideas” rather than on every “little thing” uttered.

          • ‘Gheteb

            I think the idea part that you “prefer” is mainly dealt with in my recent post entitled: Exploding The Abessinian Fundamentalists Mythomania. You don’t have to wait as pretty much of what you have asserted is ‘commented on’ in that same post. Go ahead and render your ‘unsurpassable confutation’.

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay, we’re now talking about non-substantial matters with your invitation:
            Yes, I did believe you didn’t know where Gheteb is but if you tell me that is incorrect, I will believe you. I got that sense from Mahmuday’s earlier comment when he offered help to get you familiarized with the place.
            The ganging up accusation is fair. Shame, nobody was trying to tackle the ideas Semere advanced. Everyone tried to use a patriotic card as if there is anyone who can claim to be better patriotic than him. Semere to his credit stated his position in a clear language and explained his reasons why. Your side was not saying anything about his points but accusing him of supporting an enemy of his country. That is weak. Here are Semere’s points: Ethiopia is a good ally; PFDJ is the primary enemy; Better for Eritrea if Ethiopia stays in Badime. No one convincingly refuted the three assertions he made. But you, Nitricc, Mahmuday, Selam, all jumped to portray him as if you are more Eritreans and his first interest is to support TPLF. That’s ganging up by my book.
            My language is fine. I never harassed or threatened anyone. I don’t yell and I’m usually controlled and very civil. My ideas go sometimes contrarian but that shouldn’t bother anyone. I’m not ruled by the herd. As you might be aware people call me names here, question my identities, my integrity. That includes you unfortunately. All is fine with me. There are people who say I work for a pay. And they try their best to get into my skin. They can’t, not because my skin is thicker than anyone else’s but I don’t bring my emotions and egos to this forum. What brings me here is not personal. So there is nothing I take personal. I stay engaged on a topic of my choice. Sometimes I fire back not just for the sake of it but to give a shock therapy to people who frequent vulgarity.
            The good ones don’t bark too much. They don’t abuse others. But the weak ones, the clueless ones, the dumb ones do it all the time. And when they do that, they don’t have a disciplined tongue. They are brown-tongued. When they go rogue on decent people, sometimes I felt they needed to be reminded of their fragile and shallow personality. I don’t see you as one yet, but slow down on the akakizeraffff personality. Awate is about marketing ideas and you don’t have to be mouthing about shaving people’s hair dry.
            Talk whatever you want about TPLF and its thugocracy. I don’t believe defending them is my job. Defending the truth could be.
            What else?! Okay, yes…you said this: “Finally, I am doing this just for fun for I am not into nitpicking. You asserted that,” … despite too much verbose wording….” Oh my! Oh my! Do you even know what ‘verbose’ means? Yeah, taking a swipe, but the same swipe revealing more about you and not about the target of your swipe. My! My! My! ” I couldn’t make any sense out of this unilateral celebration of an unknown mistake. To my knowledge the word “verbose”, at least in the sense I used means “the use of many words, too many words, excessively wordy”. I don’t see a problem here but even if there was, I couldn’t see what the big deal here is. I’ve two other languages I speak better than English. i wouldn’t be jailed if I make a mistake in the languages I know better let alone in English. Do you really have to be that mean. This was even about pretending to be a mean. How can someone pretend to be mean if he is not in the business of rehearsing a character? Mitch Hedberg ( my favorite comedian who died a decade ago, just in case) once said: My fake plants died because I didn’t pretend to water them. Fake and pretension are weed values we must get rid off from our culture.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Let me reply this way since you love to peel off on a tangent and to self-righteously bloviate ad infinitum.
            A) On ‘Gheteb: you were wrong, but that is not the issue here. You didn’t even do your homework before you found the opportune moment to take your cheap shot. I am getting convinced that is just you; find an appropriate time and go on a pounce to demean others. You could have found out more about whether I knew about ‘Gheteb or not, but you couldn’t resist the urge to just ‘rub it in’. You don’t have to believe what I have to tell you whether I knew about ‘Gheteb or not. I am not here preaching the teachings of a religion. This is just to let you know that the cheap and mean streaks of your personality are manifesting to be easily perceived by even those without keen eyes! I brought this issue not because I give a hoot whether you think that I know or don’t know where ‘Gheteb is located. I brought it up to show how that you don’t waste anytime to DEMEAN those who happen not to see eye to eye with your political outlook of Abessinian fundamentalism. Do the due diligence and go back and read my exchange with Amanuel Hidrat 11 days ago in “TPLF celebration looks ahead to regional integration”. If based on those exchanges, you reach a conclusion that I do not know where ‘Gheteb is located, then at least I will accept your take and say that is Okay however erroneous you conclusion may be. If you do that, “I will pay you honor and acknowledgement” even if you decide to “debate tough” against me.
            B) On Identity and your political orientation: I told you for the umpteenth time that I don’t know your identity; nor do I care to know. You could be from anywhere, but that issue to me is moot. I have told you a gazillion time that you are a through and through Abessinian fundamentalist and the issue of your identity has become irrelevant to me. I have never questioned your identity or affirmed it. Why do I need to do that when I am more than convinced about your political orientation. Please, don’t tell me what this Awate Forum is all about for it is not lost to me the mission of some which this Forum has virtually become their ‘cyber haunt’. Some see it as “an idea market place” and therefore try to ‘sell’ their ideas; others are here to peddle some apocryphal version of their “Emama Ethiopia” history; not very few are trying to make the TPLF appear not a pure evil incarnate nut as angles; and you, well, you have “out- Selomed” Selome Tadesse as the spokesperson of the TPLF-led “thugocracy” that is wreaking havoc in that part of Africa. Simply put, Selome Tadesse pales in comparison to you, Hayat Adem. This is my opinion based on what I have read from the comments you have written. Say what you want and claim whatever you wish, but that is the precise picture I have gotten and it is a very sharp picture, too.
            C: On language use and civility: Sure, I don’t follow all your exchanges with others here at this Forum. But one exchange you had with Nitricc has left an impression on me. When Abraham Hanibal used the saying in Tignigna ” ‘Nadgi Zeykebedo Niteyki Yikhbdo” which aptly captures yours and Amanuel purblind defense of the TPLF thugs. When Nitricc said that he knew what Adgi but not what the word Teyki meant, you wasted no time to say that you knew why he would know the meaning of the word “Adgi” and not the word “Teyki”. Well, you pretty much was insulting Nitricc that he is an “Adgi”. Now, here the issue is not what kind of language he uses against you, but remember it is about you who is claiming that you are “very civil”. I am telling you that you are not civil even by a long shot. Go back and check all the “violence-prone words” that you have used against me as I have listed them many times and show them to any unbiased person, as s/he will tell you that you have a serious problem in that department. What in God’s Green Earth is this ” this ‘Akakizerafff thing when use it saying that I need to slow “on this Akakizeraff personality”. I know what personality means, but I am clueless of what “Akakizeraff” means. My guess it means something in Amharic. Still, I got to tell you that as someone who did not grow up marinated in imbibing the ethos and mores of Abessinian fundamentalism, I am not familiar with such terms and phraseologies. Do you mind explaining what that term means?
            D: On Occam’s Razor and the phrase “Ganging-up”: I have to tell you that you are not an honest person and a not very inquisitive one, to boot. It has been a while since I have used that term and I am pretty sure you DID NOT know what it meant. But that is okay, as you could have done your homework and find out what it meant and how I used it. If you were an honest person, you would have admitted you learned something new and you therefore you would have offered your mea culpa and that would have revealed your humility and surely I would have “paid you honor and acknowledgement”. Also, I have noticed that in my recent post on “Exploding The Abessinian Fundamentalists Mythomania”, there are so far three comments by three different persons in addition to your comment. Applying the same rationale you used in the response Semare A got from me and others to justify using the phrase ‘ganging up’. Would you say that you are ganging up against me the same way you claimed that I ganged up against Semere A ? Regarding the use of the word verbose, you are dead wrong that it was mean of me to point it out. I was just letting you know that I am very aware of the swipes your types are inured to taking and I was merely putting you on notice. That was all to it! Now, who are you calling a comedian here? Me? Then, show me “one thing, one thing” to prove your point. Haven’t you said enough ‘bad things’ about me and here you are calling me a comedian. If you need to know, I am as “serious as a heart attack” as they say in my neck of the woods!

    • selam

      You can not answer internal problem by inviting ethiopian troops to our land. Why do not we up grade our mobilization system in Eritrea to demand their right instead of asking weyane to do it for us ?

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  • sarah ogbay

    Dear Ali Salim
    In your analysis, you or maybe the ELL compare lowlanders with tigrigna. How did we come to this point/stage? I would compare islam vs christian; lowland vs highland. Don’t you think talking about islamists vs tigrign is cheating reader into believing that there are no tigrigna moslims or christian lowlanders.
    I am in a conference of peace builders and just learned about and expression ‘ hurt/ hate not transformed is always trafsfered.’ And I say to the ELL or who ever is talking about islam/ christiam division in Eritrea this. It is the hate of christans that is deep rooted inyourselves or the deep desire for power in you souls that is driving you to bring about this kind of division. You see this sad affairs in Eritrea as an opportunity to foster hate and make poeple live in the past instead of moving forward. What happened 50 years back hasnothing to do with the suffering and dictatorship in eEritrea. We all need to look inside youselves and groups and ethnicities and reflect how and what did we contribute to the present stae of affairs.

    • sarah ogbay

      Please read the beginning of the last sentence as ‘we all need to look inside ourselves (not yourselaves)……

      • Kokhob Selam

        you have said it, nothing to add. but note that Mr. Ali Salim can’t represent the ELL.

        I see that this type of organization is ok as far as the intention is to save Eritrea form the crocodile. no tribe or ethnic group or regional part should think others are exploiting or are with the PFDJ using the resources of the nation. everybody is suffering, ( thanks to PFDJ), which should make us more united.

        • sarah ogbay

          Selam Kokhob,
          The thing is that they can, save Eritrea (if they can at all) from a crocodile but they will give it to a shark (not refering only ELL but also to all those who think that one man or one ethnicity is responsible for the predicament we find ourselves in.) I really don’t understand how we got addicted to finding way to hurt our wounds using any thing we can find. It is all about greed just like pfdj.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sara,
            here is the thing, if we resist and try to oppose such type of organization for sure the Shark is ready to eat everything including ELL. if we are wise people and we know to handle it the tooth of crocodile will become history and the Shark can’t move our boat. Serous, this is very important era for us and our victory will depend on how we handle things. We should let ELL announce what they are calming for and if it is just a party fighting against PFDJ as we all do but for united Eritrea no other external force will enter to make confusion. People like you with high knowledge should play their role. thank you and I appreciate for you feedback.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr.Sarah,

            You are right, “those who think that one man or one ethnicity is responsible for (our) predicament” will throw us to a unmerciful sharks of ocean life, if they continue the way they are doing. If some one told you we don’t have a problem with the system, we only have problem with the man, don’t you see how they are disconnected they are? If there is a system built in by him and his colleagues, a system that took years way back from the liberation era, how one can think the removal of one man will be the dismantlement of the system? and becomes the panacea of all our social ills. This makes me always to laugh at them on one hand, and gives me a painful emotional impact as I watch the predicament of our people facing day in day out, on the other. The politics of Eritrea can not even get an exit from (mentality) the politics of the guerrilla warfare in the bushes.

            regards,

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Is EFND dead, or are you no longer belong to the group?? I mean you keep surprising me with comments that are too judgmental and insidiously biased, and are, by extension, not coterminous to what EFND stands.

            Regards

      • Mahmud Saleh

        ኣብሽሪ ሳራ
        I am reading Ali’s series with utmost attention. So, far he’s in the introduction and analyzing stages. I honestly find it educational, in that, it brings grievances I hear and experience on daily basis out of the four corner private homes to the open. It’s not bad that an inconvenient truth is talked about in the open. But there are legitimate concerns with the way ELL is advancing its agenda.
        ELL narration seems to be disconnected with the psychosocial realities brought mainly through shared sacrifies; Eritrea today is not Eritrea of the 40s/50s; the document is full of “we versus them.” As you pointed out, it’s based on cumulated suspicions. To me, the language is foreign. I know there are specific policies which target lowlanders unfavorably and have been devastating in terms of affecting life styles adversely (land policy), failed educational policy…failure in areas of representative civil servants/administrators in all levels…police….army…etc. This is important for any decent Eritrean who care for the unity of our nation. ELL also downplays the sacrifices highlanders paid; I have no idea where they have been during our long struggle for independence and the recent border war. They are reckless statements.
        There is also the question of legitimacy. Any group of individuals could launch an initiative. Time will tell if it will gather momentum. My prediction is that good men and women of our nation will come together and advance policies that unite us striking ELL type of organizations preemptively. I know the good people of metaHt, they harbor no hatred towards their highland kinsmen. Their grievances could be addressed through a national constitution they have an ownership of its making.
        And that’s my complain. There is no question there are grievances, but the type of ELL should have been formed once democratic Eritrea can’t address their concern. Today’s Eritrea is not a yardstick for us to measure social justice in all its forms. Today’s Eritrea has become a place where the “evil highlander” is leaving in droves.
        Conclusion: Let’s watch and participate constructively, but Eritrea is not a glass we should be so scared of shuttering it. Our union is stronger than some think it is.

        • tes

          Dear Mahmuday,

          Thank you. I believe that ELL questions are legitimate but the approach they are coming with is belittling everything (understanding I have so far from previous articles and now from what Ali Salim is trying to introduce us, not matured understanding and hence not my conclusion).

          They are ignoring the 30 years war struggle, in which the lowland and lowlanders was everything to it. They are back to 40s and 50s and want to enrich their argument. What is the difference then from YG’s school of thought.

          ELL should make no question about the Eritrean Unity as the people they claim now is represented is not what they want him to be.

          I would rather say, ELL is “School of Undoings” which is different from the “School of Opportunists” in such away that they are not claiming with any kind of attachment but are asking what made them to loss power and hence, “School of Undoings”.

          tes

        • sarah ogbay

          Mahmud hawey thank you.
          Inspite of the fact that I agree with many of the points you made, I think it is a good thing that ELL and the likes are formed now. We know the challenges we can face after the demise of the dictatorship.
          My point was, though, the terminologies used in creating opposite sides are not comparable or parallel if you want. Lowland can only be compared with highland and not tigrigna. Physical/geographical territory is being compared with ethnicity. I think it is a deliberately created confusion. I strongly believe that unity can not be imposed but its distruction or rejection should not also be at the expense of anyone. Demonising tigrigna and trying to rally all lowlanders in this mission is dangerous. As you said, we will see where this goes but we will still be fighting against dictatorsbip with even more vigor and focus.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Gual Adem
    Give the young man some credits. Early this week, 3 days ago, he publicly confirmed you’re indeed gual Adem, an Eritrean girl from MetaHt (I believe he’s got the Metaht part of it wrong), did anyone pay attention to that? I was lol.
    On mentoring, I believe what I get from him is more than what he gets from me. And then, we do all do some sort of mentoring on each other through the information we exchange.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam Mahmud,
      Here is what Nitricc wrote verbatim 3 days ago: “Elenta; there is more to it. her name is Hayat Adem and she Eritrean Moslum. Just you know. lol
      My reading of Nitricc’s comment is pure tongue in a cheek as he is facetiously ridiculing the idea that the person in question could be Eritrean and a Muslim to boot. Unless he has other ideas, by my lights, this is what is called in logic the fallacy of reducto ad absurdum, meaning you take some thing to its ridiculous conclusion to show its fallacy. And I think that is what Nitricc has precisely done here. He is saying that the person in question IS NOT Eritrean. If you ask me what do I think? I don’t know; nor do I care to know!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Gheteb
        Thank you for the information. I too took it that way, but, I was doing it in my way; I like loosening the tension. My main point was to remind gual Adem that nitrickay is his own guy; he needs no mentoring.
        By the way, I read you one time while you were debating Amanuel H that you were not sure where Gheteb was. It’s actually deep in Sudanese territory. If you are familiar where Arag is, the border is right there between Arag and HaweliE, an escarpment that was open to enemy fire. Our drivers would cover some treacherous kilometers without headlamp. እንዳ ሓዊ ኣጥፊእ ይበሃል ነይሩ። From there you would climb down to HaweliE and then cross a steep range and it would be to the north of it. During the time you referred in your comment, the main body plf1 and plf2 were in Geregr Sudan, which is northeast of HaweliE, or west of Sudanese Qarura, while, I believe ELF (Eritrean liberation Frces, or Obel) was in Gheteb (but not quiet sure). Anyway, I brought it to tell you the location of your nickplace.

  • observer

    Yes it is squeezing not only Tigre but also others. It is repeating the same mistake TPLF did and honestly I don’t like decisions to be made on Ethnicity bases. It is wrong and it is backward.

    I do not also agree with the percentage as well.
    Tigrigna are 57% because they are multiplying and grabbing every possible land everywhere from Tesenei, Barentu to Assab to Agordat, Keren, Afabet, Nakfa and to the tip of the North. They are not confined to their areas as before, and it is painful to see that and not react. Watch ER TV, in any local meeting conducted even in the far north, Dankalia, Tesenei, Akordat for that matter anywhere except the highlands, is dominated by them and are elected as well and not the locals

  • Hayat Adem

    Please, don’t repeat and repeat lies. I’m tired of correcting your lies. I only knew little about the great artist Kiros because he was a good friend and supporter of Berkhet, whom also I’m very proud to have personally known him. Don’t say things you don’t know an ounce about, things that are not bad even if you had known them to have happened. Lying at will is the cheapest personality.

  • selam

    American census for Eritrea , I wonder if they are doing the same to other statistics About . Weyane are copying every thing from American census about Eritrea
    55% Tigrinya
    30% Tigre
    4% Saho
    2% Kunama
    2% Bilen
    2% Rashaida
    5% others , who are these peole any way. Can they be same interracial who are born from Tigrina and Amharu or Tigaru , i mean plus IA

  • Hayat Adem

    ኣነስ ቅርበትን ፍልጦን ደኣ መበልኩ…ኣበይ ዶ ይፈልጣ’ዩ ‘ታ ዓዲ ወላ ሰባ?!

    • Nitricc

      why do you care? i wasn’t talking about Adi-grat. loser.

      • Hayat Adem

        No you were asking about Nakfa and Afabet and what population resides there. Now:
        1) the fact that you had no clue which people live on what part of Eritrea is amazing. You just lost 30% Eritreans while talking too much about the 5% Ethiopians all the time
        2) This is double funny because the info-graph was posted by yourself
        3) It is an Eritrean tragedy of Shakespearean level that a clueless guy like you has to stick out his neck to talk in parity with giant guys like Semere and Emma who know Eritrea like their own palm.
        4) your knowledge about Adigrat is much reliable than Eritrea

        • Kokhob Selam

          PFDJ is gone long back, and those are remaining supporters. did someone from PFDJ leadership dream some one like Nitricc will come to help PFDJ? how will he hold the gun, which mountain did he know to chose strategic place, Lol.

      • Hayat Adem

        Please, don’t repeat and repeat lies. I’m tired of correcting your lies. I only knew little about the great artist Kiros because he was a good friend and supporter of Berkhet, whom also I’m very proud to have personally known him. Don’t say things you don’t know an ounce about, things that are not bad even if you had known them to have happened. Lying at will is the cheapest personality.

        • Nitricc

          I hate to shame people and please know i save articles. Just you know. Like PIA finshing a bottle of black lable whisky in 2 hours span just by him self when he forced him self in to somence house and demanding it.
          I am just telling you. Don’t push me.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Nitricc!!!!!
            Man, let me just jot this short comment. How much you know about Eritrea’s ethnic groups, geography is important; however, in what I call as my “Eritreanismo-meter” — an imaginative measuring tool that measures ones level of Eritreanism— such information about Eritrea ethno-graph and geography are very immaterial. Why? A foreign anthropologist who has studied and done field work with certain Eritrean ethnic group would know more about Eritrea ethno-graph than most Eritreans. Thus ones Eritreanism is more of measure of your “Eritrean-ness” than how much one knows about Eritrea and it’s people. Nitricc, your Eritreanism is high in my “Eritreanismo-meter” and you are doing a whale of a job to incur the wrath of some Abessinain fundamentalists in this forum. Your best reference about Eritrea is, of course, Mahmud Saleh, the veritable walking encyclopedia, about Eritrea and its people.

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb you are right; i believe and i care in Eritrean-ness than ethnic group and who is what. I have always said it; there is on Eritrea. I posted the ethno-map for two reasons. one, i love the name Beilul and i was wondering what it means and two, I have not seen Mahmuday in the forum for a few days and that way i can pull him back to the forum. the funny part is, still i did not get the answer for my very original question; about Beilul. but i am happy i pull back in Mahmuday.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ጉድ ጌርኪ ሓያታ :ብሰሓቕ ሞይተ !!

      • Nitricc

        Aren’t you a little old to be Akatari.
        Waste.

  • selam

    If one like (semere Andom) said ” I believe that it is in the best interest for justice and in the best interest of the Eritrean people for Ethiopia to stay put. Yes you heard it right, I am saying that Ethiopia should keep occupying the territories it holds even after it said it accepted the ruling in principle.”

    Can we question his Eritreanism just for fun or for serious .

    There are very very few people who advocate for Ethiopia to keep Eritrean land , or there are also people who say ABAY MENGSTI KEYDA NUUSHITEY MENGISTI METSIAA. When you dig deep to their claim they either lack judgment or they lack identity . Where do you put people like semere Andom just asking ?

    • Nitricc

      Trust me;
      Either he is straight from Dedebit pretending to be an Eritrean or he is the stupidest human being who ever to consum oxygen. Take your pick.

      • operation sunset

        Of course we will take our pick
        your trenche set of mind can’t see beyond your trenches. you remember when you lost your breath(oxygen) when we convert your commander in chief 1000 km palaso back in Feb 1999. Watch it we convert not your trenches Only, Our recent history as well.
        Tigray Trailer: http://youtu.be/7NU5j-wCdPg

  • Nitricc

    thanks Jacob.

  • Nitricc

    Mahmuday; do you buy this ethno-demography of Eritrea? what ethnic group lives in Naqfa and Afabet. I see no illustration of any ethnic assigned to it.
    I just love the name Beylul. I am sure there is a meaning to it; Does it mean anything?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Ethno-Demography_of_Eritrea.png

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Nitrickay
      There is no meaningful official census we can refer to. So, I would not be that much interested in this ethno-demographic representation. My information regarding this topic is that the government knows and possesses a more accurate census than any census you would find in the USA, but has decided not to make it public. Don’t ask me why.
      But I am disappointed nitrickay, how could you miss the Republika Of The Greatista Tigre nation?
      The point: We need to fight injustice in all its forms. We raise together and we fall together; there is no other option. That’s what our lowland people have said in the past quarter of a century. Remember all this talks of ELL is an evolution of movements which started in the late 1980s, or even prior to that during the era Of Jabha Abbay. Ask AH. Depending on how the day goes, I may say some on the new installment of Ali.

      • Nitricc

        Mahmuday; When i sow the Tigre directing by the arrow at Akurdet; erroneously assumed Tigre just for Akurdet. I guess I was expecting more arrows to point to Naqfa and Afabet also. Anyway sorry to disappoint you; my bad.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Nitrickay
          That was to give you a soft sidekick. Otherwise, I know that you know more about your country than folks who lived in it.

    • selam

      Tigre are every where and i do not understand why they drop the % .Tigre starting from tessenei , barentu,akordat , hagaz, keren ,afaebet , Hiday ,halhale,meshalit ,nakfa , karura, Massawa , i can call so many places , They are also in mensae. and they are above 30% , why are they giving the Tigrina and afar more.

    • The observer

      Dear readers.
      Adulis is where the Saho originate and it is a gross mistake to place it in other area. Masawa is Tigre and Saho. Part of Senafe and Adikeih is also Saho land towards the Red sea.
      But personally I prefer the original Hamasien, Akeleguzai. Seraye etc. before Shaabia messed with our accepted popular option.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    I think the Nuwab (governors) of Eritrea were not deputies of your aunt.

    • Rahwa T

      To: The ISIS representative in Eritrea.

      Tell us if these so-called “Nuwabs” were ruling the current Eritrea as we know it in its current map and were reporting to your uncle. Please add some more information on the total number of people they beheaded in their
      time and the number of underage virgin girls they are enjoying high up in “jenet”.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        hhhhhhh, hhhhhh, hhhhhhh, you have made me laugh. At first you didn’t realize the reality and that made you react negatively; when it came to your knowledge the Nuwabs (… Naib Mohammed Yahya, Naib Hassen Idris …) were the deputies of my uncles Umayyad Caliphates, Abasid Caliphates, and Ottoman Sultans you immediately went in search of a backup and the best backup for you to pick was ISIS. You are not the first in this course many have preceded you; they used to label their rivals as Shiftas, then developed it according to time fundamentalist and Jihads. The Nuwabs were deputies of my uncles as the Rases were representatives of
        Atses of Axumme.

        • Rahwa T

          One
          thing you know is that whether I like or not, I will accept whatever
          justification is given from anybody as long as it is rational. In your case,
          you are playing words and did not to answer my question convincingly. You can
          lough as much as you can. What I can tell you is that if you lough at the questions
          I forwarded you must be foolish.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            The first step towards rationalism is to have a free mind that I think you are far from. I feel sorry to inform you your mind is crammed with history written by colonizers. It is better to have the original copy of history in your mind.

          • Rawa T

            I thought you were matured person. I was wrong. Forget every thing I asked you.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Of course you were wrong. Now you have the information which I think have made you move one step forward. I hope you will learn how to depend on yourself that will certainly make a matured person.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            The thing that made me laugh is not your question, but the support you immediately seek refuge at though we are speaking about history.

  • guest

    Tsa’eda yits nahka.

  • said

    Thank you for your elaborate explanation coming from a well-seasoned hands-on proven writer and a very caring of his people.

    One can learn from history what went wrong .In my humble view, lies in the fact that the Eritrean Lowlanders are not centralized and urbanite and for centuries of their existence as a relatively semi united people governed by a non-political and economical system, in other side Habasha kingdom the likes of Haile Selassie and long list kings that stretch back to thousands of years ,always followed the concept of structural power and “The Cult of Personality” system of governance: a hereditary dynastic rule of relatively assured succession of power, as dominated by a singular ruler autocrat feudal and back ward and mostly ruling by whim answering and accountable to no institution except the façade of the religious authority that often, rather nearly at all times, was an auxiliary façade rendering an element of public legitimacy to an autocratic ruler’s governance. were part of an Ethiopian Empire that for a time enjoyed a relatively strong central government of dynastic rule and another as splintered fiefdoms, satellites of a relatively strong regional power orbiting under the Sphere of Influence of a more dominant military power .Thus, with time, for long centuries, Habesha as a people were never trained for centuries to orderly actively participate in the process of political decision making and a defined process of the selection of their rulers and free selection of the governance system.

    Christianity became a central feature, almost inseparable of Habesha’ national identity coloring most or part of Ethiopian ‘ projects and no general bid for renaissance. Christianity here was expressed more as a shared cumulative cultural experience encompassing all none Christianity constituents of an Christianity Empire of Ethiopia . Despite calls by some secular intellectuals of the necessity of the Separation of the State & the Church to launch the Habesha into modernity and socio-political reforms, that call remains deeply theoretical and lacking in appreciating the complexity of jumping over entrenched facts and generally shared social and public conscience.

    I am not trying nor qualified analyzing Ethiopian history ,just a matters from the factual make-up of a race, the Habesha, and the need the Eritrean Lowlanders for to gradually to make the transition – a long and arduous process – to the ultimate civil society that could never be realized in a theoretical Top-Down approach denying the widely shares ethos and general shared popular consciousness around deeply ingrained values.

    What’s truly adding to the complexity of the reality the Eritrean Lowland League (ELL) – and here I am not qualified to comment nor i read their documents, here I am falling into the trap of apologists blaming the Eritrean Lowlanders for invoking this denial of a pretext – the real issue is the old and present regime ,a Hegemonic powers determined political agenda of controlling and domination the Lowlanders lands with a clear conscious objective of maintaining the state of the status quo that continuously invite further marginalization and fragmentations, subservience and failed bids at unity. The planting of Spartan of NUSU as a spearhead, as an advanced post, a proxy of the present regime hegemonic scheme, has greatly succeeded in exploiting the inherent to some extent ,weakness and contradictions in the Lowlanders culture to ensure continuous strife and the dissipation of scarce national resources on wasteful political energy undertakings away from the pressing and urgent demands of meaningful political agenda and present a socio-economic developments platform .

    As one can learn , the gradual success of the Ethiopia and other neighbouring nations in crossing the bridge towards a system of governance enshrined in the cardinal principle of “The Separation of Power,” i.e. The Executive from the legislative and from the judiciary are unique conducive circumstance nearly totally absent from them the Asmara regime in Intent of deploying the means of local socio-political contradictions to facilitate hegemonic dominance.

    In the true reality is an evolution of the Feudal Lordship Ethiopian System. The laity, the great masses were trained and their DNA for long centuries inculcated with complete resignation to a status quo of the dominance of the political order of the UNHOLY alliance of the Nobility, the Feudalists, and the Church as the later provides the spiritual fodder to ensure the willing submission and subservience of the laity, the serfs, the downtrodden masses.

    The example of Ethiopia if t choose to go the right direction and do small first step success of the Ethiopia in try in establishing truly transparent representative democracy based on accountability, one ought not be totally blinded to the fact of the uniqueness of the Ethiopian experience in the domestication of the downtrodden masses over centuries that their ultimate participation in the overall political process, as in the case of someone like Melesa , comes with some strings attached, the one gun rules .

    Similarly to some extent the Western Democracy that increasingly becoming an elite dominant democracy (Concentration of Wealth and the so-called Free-market economy that is in essence is synonymous to the Golden Rule – the one who has the gold makes the rule) .

    The lack of Economic prosperity and no small scale technological inventions to speak ; no initiative of agriculture and Industrial Revolution and this the regime expanded its sphere and tantamount to the plundering and theft of the national wealth of other weaker segment of society of Eritrea ; as in many nation emerging ,all beside the changing socio-political relations dictated by changing methods of production and industrial relations, allowed some of the western and some eastern nation downtrodden masses to share in the expanding wealth, always conditionally and strings attached of the overall governing order of dominance of the elite class, nothing changed unfortunately in this regard .

    Thus, and contrary to all illusions: political liberation precede any serious effort on the Eritrea ’ bid for the institution of a true representative democracy and fair sharing of national wealth and economic opportunities with the wider public would have being a real solution for Lowlanders and highlanders and all Eritrean .

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Said,
      .
      What are you saying exactly,…..in a nutshell? O.K in a paragraph?
      .
      K.H

      • said

        Selam
        Kim Hanna

        Fight against the injustice , oppression ,hunger , poverty, and evil in Eritrea which people are afraid to face the regime or are powerless to face. The least we can do to seek to alleviate the suffering of our people, the needy,the poor defenseless, that are much less fortunate and serve and help with selflessness, kindness ,honor, and integrity. we must remove the apathy from our hearts and changed it with sympathy, empathy and compassion

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Said,
          .
          Thank you.
          .
          K.H

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Said says: “In my humble view, lies in the fact that the Eritrean Lowlanders are not centralized and urbanite and for centuries of their existence as a relatively semi united people governed by a non-political and economical system, in other side Habasha kingdom the likes of Haile Selassie and long list kings that stretch back to thousands of years ,always followed the concept of structural power and “The Cult of Personality” system of governance: a hereditary dynastic rule of relatively assured succession of power, as dominated by a singular ruler autocrat feudal and back ward and mostly ruling by whim answering and accountable to no institution except the façade of the religious authority that often, rather nearly at all times, was an auxiliary façade rendering an element of public legitimacy to an autocratic ruler’s governance.”

      Eritrea for centuries was part and parcel of the Islamic State as well as a large part of Eastern Ethiopia, Somalia and Tanzania

      • Haile WM

        was there an islamic state ?

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Yes, before the Western colonization, that is, before about one hundred years there was an Islamic State.

          • selam

            2015-100 = will be exactly 1915, there was no islamic state in Eritrea or ethiopia

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Can you tell who was in Eritrea before Italy 1890?

          • Rahwa T

            Moderator dyu wala Discus neta kilte mesmer Hitoy beli’Uwa. neza kilte mesmer m*Egas abyuwom. QeCheChew ilatom?
            I forwarded my question on the your fake story of Islamic state on East Africa. But it is nowhere to be seen.

          • Rahwa T

            Sir,
            I know you are great writer in at least two languages. But sometimes words seem to lose their meaning in your
            replies as moderator. I am know my limit and pretension has no room in my room and will never use hyperbolic statements. I have asked about the whereabouts of my comment and suspected if it is lost in your recycle bin assuming the guy as one of your disciples. I had to ask whenever I read fake stories, though you don’t
            agree with me. Otherwise, I don’t care whether I get answer or not. There is nothing I gain or lose from it or visiting your website.

            “baQela aleQe bilu… min Qelele” new emibalew

            Good bye

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa T, we need to ignore some useless statements some time. the question I ask when I read Hameed Al Arabi’s statement is, what befit does I and we get from this post? nil, isn’t it? so why waste my time and energy on that? forget it..

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            To know about your history in order to connect past events with our present condition, Mr. Kokhob, is not a bad thing. A chopped history according to individuals whims will make us end to nothing. If we are to bring peace and co-existence to the peoples of Eritrea we have to know in detail their past and present history. I know you are interested about the present only, but I assure you that will never bring a change the Eritrean peoples dream about.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I think past is just a lesson to be learned not to be lived. we don’t have to repeat our mistakes in history. take the good one and throw the bad one is my motto.

            Dear Hameed, now that we are in very important era, we should be very careful about history. every single person have different record and the only unifying ground is the reality of our nation and the world. if we need Eritrea to be democratic and peaceful we should know how to accommodate everyone. that is what I am saying, you see at the moment we are lucky people as none of us want other external forces to enter in our case and we should keep it up what ever the price is.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Quote:
            “if we need Eritrea to be democratic and peaceful we should know how to accommodate everyone. …………………….. we are lucky people as none of us want other external forces to enter in our case and we should keep it up what ever the price is.”

            It is true to learn “how to accommodate everyone”; but whom do you think is refusing to accommodate and co-exist?

            I disagree with you in the following: “we are lucky people as none of us want other external forces”. Are you sure Mr. Kokhob that we are free of inviting external forces? I think you are speaking about a country that none of the Eritrean know. What do you consider the intervention of Emperor Haile Selasse in the Eritrea? And also what do you deem the intervention Weyane Tigrai on the side of EPLF against ELF?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother, the case of Haile Slase is over, if any as you said history have reconciled it. I was not around to be eye witness but sure it is not one complete side that who support Haileselase. there were highlanders who prefer unity with Ethiopia and there were from lowlanders who prefer even with Sudan. but in general “Feremku” from lowland was there for unity. My friend I know how Haileselse try to play it. and by the way Jeberty were more for independence more than all others in Eritrea. this way or the other you must take all choices as choices and nothing more. what is wrong if Unity was as per choice of people and things went correct? The problem was A. there was no one responsible leadership to handle the case (internally) B. Ethiopian ex governments were not wise enough to attract the mass as at first they use religious card and then they even went against all the federation rules agreed.
            regarding EPLF and ELF war I think I am the best witness for you. just to make things clear I was there from the beginning to the end. I don’t want to tell you in details but to make things clear the war was not religious or regional. EPLF had lowlanders equal to highlanders and ELF had the same. so please don’t label it as religious. I have paid for it and I am a Muslim from Highland. the best educated christian cadres and war leaders has paid their life in front of me. today few among those best once are around us. Amanuel Hidarat can also be an eye witness. that is not long back and you will find a lot of people still to witness. in fact the most important part of our revolution was dead here say it highland or lowland. Eritrean national freedom and democratic process is delayed due to that war I think. and know again let me tell you that PFDJ is not one sided group all the useless anti peace people are inside PFDJ from all parts of the nation. again those suffering today all from all our nation parts. no exception. we are lucky my friend.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Quote it again: “…….. we are lucky people as none of us want other external forces to enter in our case and we should keep it up what ever the price is.”

            In your last comment you have unwoven what you have said before. I wonder why you stuffed the concept of “witness” in the issue of intervention though you speak in detail about what you didn’t witness, as you claim, about Haile Sellase. Mr. Khokab, you were more a defender than a witness in your comment. It is better to say frankly EPLF invited Weyane Tigrai without telling me there were Moslems an Christians in both sides. I think all of us know and specially you the role of Moslems in Isaias EPLF.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I am not saying there was no narrow tendency in all fronts of Eritrea. It was always exploited, there were even still there are some Christians who think EPLF belongs to them. but what I am saying is the majority don’t think that way and no one but no one benefited from results say it during federation or during the war between fronts. All was to gain political power otherwise why do you think EPLF and TPLF went for war. weren’t PIA and that smart Meles (RIP) both Christians and both Tigrigna speakers ? so please be reasonable.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            No Eritrea benefited from all the things cooked in the past; therefore, all I say all should distance themselves from repeating the same mistakes again and again. All Eritreans should sit on the ground without putting aside any group and reach a compromise that leads us to coexist and nation viable to develop and flourish so her people can live in peace. It is a grave mistake to follow some groups who coin from time to time a new group to bypass the National Congress and form a new opposition umbrella that leads our problems become more sophisticated that makes all physicians fail to medicate.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I love it. you are getting the way. now concentrate in now more.

          • Haile WM

            there was no Islamic state. you can’t make up history as you wish. there was the ottomans in Eritrea and after them their Egyptian vassals but that was not at all Islamic state. Besides there is a huge gap between the caliphate of Cordoba in Spain (who were Arabs) and the ottomans (who were Turks) in Eritrea. i think you should read some history book Mr al arabi.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            After Baghdad, the center of Abasid Caliphs, fell to Mongols the rule of the Islamic State transferred to Ottoman Sultans. The Ottoman empire was the one of the largest and longest lasting empires (7 centuries) in history. It was an empire inspired and sustained by Islam and Islamic institutions.

            Why was the Empire successful?
            There was many reasons why the Ottoman Empire was successful:

            * State-run education system.
            * Religion was incorporated in the state structure and the sultan was regarded as ” the protector of Islam.
            * State-run judicial system.
            * Promotion to positions of power largely depended on merit.
            * United by Islamic ideologhy.
            * United by Islamic organizational and administrative structures.
            * Highly pragmatic, taking the best ideas from other cultures and making them their own.

          • Haile WM

            the issue here i think is how you frame things not the presence of the ottomans and extent of their empire. When you say there was one islamic state that dominated from Spain to Chechen including Eritrea. I think there is a flawed understanding of history. There were several empires, states caliphate, sultanate etc.. who had islam as their main religion and had islamic ideology in organizing their societies. Those states were at time contemporaries, some had conflicts between them some were absorbed by the other etc… i don’t really frame it in one Islamic state. A quick example is the arabian peninsula who was partly dominated by the ottomans for centuries and the arabs fought the ottomans to get rid of their rule. all the actors there were adherent to islamic faith and no islamic united ideology has driven them in the conflict.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            The Ottoman Empire ruled from 1301-1922, that means, they were replaced by European colonization. It is better to read history written by historians from the region and not by colonizers.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            When you understand the meaning of EMPIRE it will help you to frame history. Secondly, you have also to grasp the meaning of the Caliph of Moslems. The issue is not as you read it today, before hundred years the case was different.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          The Islamic State was ruling up to Spain (Andulis) and Bosnia, central Europe. In Asia up to Chechen (Shishan), India, Indonisia, Malesya and Philippine.

  • selam

    To ras alula and his colleagues

    The Hidden Ethiopia non existent to our western friends and their weyane cronies . What they forget is that every body knows there is a hidden ethiopia coming not sure when but surly they will come. The voices are boiling underground weyane know it and every one in this forum know it but they lack the decency to tell or some how they want to tell us every thing is green in Ethiopia . In this video you will see some of the voices , this is the only camera can take , there are 10 of millions who are on the same line with these people.

    Personally i want a very strong vibrant democratic Ethiopia but weyane do not like that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e73TES1vM9c

    • Gherhi

      Why don’t you focus on your own people ha? Every country has disgruntled people. The richest country the USA has a lot of unhappy people. Does that make it a country on the verge of a failed state? You are a pathetic person. You couldn’t pay to be Ethiopian at this point in our history. We used to look down on Amaras, Tegarus, and all Ethiopians. Look where we are now – a country on red alert for failure and you can’t see this sitting in Asmara hypocrite. No you are looking at Ethiopia instead and praying day in and day out for Ethiopia to fail.

      See, at least in Ethiopia, these people have the right to gather and voice their opinion. Do we have freedom of religion in Eritrea or any kind of freedom for that matter? Look at our patriarch Abune Antonios – detained at a very old age. The Jehovah Witnesses were persecuted relentlessly and so were the Pentecostals. Now the regime is dismantling the Orthodox church. They haven’t dare do do anything with the Catholics yet but their time will come very soon.

      You look and smell like a PFDJ junkie and please stop claiming your are writing from Asmara. We all know you are lying. You are so unbecoming of an Eritrean woman and bilen at that. You are in the States sitting on a couch with your iPad you got as a gift from your uncle because I can’t contemplate you have a job.

      • selam

        First i was responding to ras alula and some of his alike. Second what is this names. can you please explain to me with out your barrage of words in which i do not understand the reason you keep saying to me.

        I am atheist and i do not care what happens to your priest . I do not ask and talk about religion , it is non of my business.
        I hope i will see change 2morow and i hope we will win this with out blood . You can not tell me about Eritrean life , i know it is all misery and cry. Do you think i am forgetting it ?
        who is Abune Antonios in front of the young generation who are inside the deep sea, refugees and other terrible places trapped by PFDJ , i could care less about one person . There are ten thousands of people trapped in container with no hope I know that.

        Democracy in USA does not make you to be happy or angry .And it is not the purpose of the constitution to make people happy or angry. In america to be rich and poor depends on how you play with your life. Here in the above video people are demanding their rights and their wealth . You can not compare tea party with the oromo people and amahara people if they happens to be both protesting.

        why are you becoming personal with me can you stop . I am not the person you saying . I will stop from calling names because that does not help at all. Where ever you are i could care less.

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          Who cares except you whether you are an athiest or not? I personally cares less whether you are or not. But doing this, your message is very clear: you don’t care about the 99.99999% Eritreans who have religion and Fear of God so does PFDJ. You are simply a hypocrite, gual hidrtina.

          tes

          • selam

            I replied to his post , because he was trying to tell me about one priest in which sounds more important to him than any thing. Again i do write about the 99.99% of Eritreans , please read all. Now i told him that i could care less about his his priest and at the matter of the fact i have told him , it is not important issue for me to speak or write about your priest so case closed.

            Now why could not you stop this bla bla. Are you angry because i said before your article was a mess. Are you still angry with me because i happen to be your critic on your work.

            Did you grow up like this i mean bullying people where ever you find them ? You are a shame to your mother ,who did every thing to teach you respect for others. Yet you still are disappointing her tesfe.

            Respect is a value that you should earn it. So stop insulting me .

    • Kokhob Selam

      Selam, they are right in their nation, their democracy. Yet we all know the interference of others on this special topic. but didn’t you ask our our nation Eritrea? Ethiopians know very well how to solve their problem. so leave the homework to them as you have heavier homework to do. so calming far Addis will describe you as PFDJsista. and practically you will find yourself on that camp. You know why, PFDJ only dreams the death of Ethiopia but they never work for our country. I don’t want such intelligent person to make mistake,

      • selam

        DO you think it is fair for us Eritreans who are seeking a democratic state to look and read about ethiopian democracy ? why we could not see other countries . Ethiopia is not good example for us .
        I have asked about Eritrea and will continue to do so. PFDJ does not like a democratic ethiopia , they like as it is now. Kokhob i have never advocate for ethiopia to set on fire and i will never do that but i can not just give a pass to a person with the name ras alula to brag here about past wars. I want him to tell me about now .

        • Kokhob Selam

          Fine, but here Selam if what Alula said was important I also could have jumped. very important now is our case. be reasonable and say how Ethiopia is doing now isn’t better than Eritrea? Ok, do you want more advanced democratic model nation? that is also fine, what is very important is how much do we work to make our nation democratic. you want to make it more democratic than Ethiopia? yes, why not go ahead. but know and announce the reality first so you will know from where you are starting. Almost no nation in the world is like Eritrea without rule and constitution.

    • tes

      Selam selam,

      Unfortunately you shared with us the strong side of current Ethiopian government. He is able to even witness millions of people to marsh with their voice. Great achievements to TPLF and now EPRDF. EPRDF is courageous enough to let his people to air his voice. I wish this happened in Eritrea. are you jealous by the way?

      tes

      • selam

        I know we are working and wishing to this way of expressing , but to claim democracy in ethiopia as the main weyane success is just not right.

        I just show there is no way weyane can rule this country in a democratic , free and fair election while the oromo and amhara constitutes 60% of the ethiopian people. How is weyane ruling possible ? weyane have just 5.6% of the all population and still they ruled ethiopia by the iron fist for 23 years . That was my post to ras alula. Unless i am not disputing the freedom to protest but i can say confidently that Ethiopia has no free media.

        I am not denying the fact that such things are allowed in ethiopia for political purpose . If weyane could not allow such things to happen they will cut short of the windfall aid from western powers , which is 45% of their budget.

        • tes

          Dear selam,

          Even you are doing this for political purpose. Sorry for your crocodile tears. But I confidently say, Ethiopia is in a much better position than ever before. Yet they have lots of homework to realize Ethiopian prosperity and political integrity.

          tes

          • selam

            Sorry i reply to you ,i forget you will advocate for ras alula .
            I will reply when ever i find his post irational and you can do nothing about that.
            I will do that in accordance and you better just debate me when we talk about Eritrea. You can have your say unless , step aside , i did not need you to tell me your understanding.

    • Ali

      TO Selam
      Do not divert our idea. We lowlanders are also protesting against the dominance of highlanders. Do not go to south please see to the north.

  • Ali

    To Aman
    kkkkkkkkk you are behind the time TPLF has surpassed any of the mentioned “national and regional” parties. Now TPLF is regional role player whether we like it or not. Even the trend indicates that with increasing its economy it is becoming more influential in Africa.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ኣቤት ኣቤት : ከም’ዚ ዝኣመሰለ ካብ ሓቂ ዝርሓቐ ዘረባ እንታይ ኮን ይጠቅም?

  • selam

    Gherhi

    We are not as you think very weak people, for the matter of the fact we are very courageous people , honest people. We are not that much wicked as you are and we do know what we want and where we want to go. We are going to reach our peak when we remove IA and that should pain you badly. Man is a strong animal when he has conviction and we do show you and your leaders long time ago in 1961 when we said no to your evil hand but you people did not listen and we have paid and you do paid badly. we have voted for our country and that was done 23 years ago. We are not here hesitating our free country from Ethiopia we are here to topple the administration and that should be bad for you.

    Now i want to show you haw the underground work of Weyane is doing.

    FBI foils TPLF assassination plot against Ethiopian journalist in Boston
    Wednesday, January 9, 2013

    Addis Voice—The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has foiled a plot to shoot and kill Ethiopian journalist Abebe Gellaw in Boston, Massachusetts.

    The plot was allegedly orchestrated by a man named Guesh Abera, a Boston resident and parking lot attendant in hismid-thirties. Guesh and his three accomplices, who are suspected of being spies and fanatic members of the tyrannical regime in Ethiopia, were determined to “eliminate” the journalist and press freedom activist.

    Ethiopia: Government continues to target peaceful Muslim protest movement
    Amnesty International
    2 November 2012

    The Ethiopian authorities are committing human rights violations in response to the ongoing Muslim protest movement in the country. Large numbers of protestors have been arrested, many of whom remain in detention. There are also numerous reports of police using excessive force against peaceful demonstrators. Key figures within the movement have been charged with terrorism offences. Most of those arrested and charged appear to have been targeted solely because of their participation in a peaceful protest movement.

    Tens of thousands of Muslims have participated in regular peaceful protests throughout 2012, opposing alleged government interference in Islamic affairs. Protestors accuse the government of attempting to impose the teachings of the Al Ahbash sect of Islam on the Muslim community and of interference in elections for the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs.

    Ethiopia charges 29 Muslims under anti-terror law
    AFP
    29 October 2012

    ADDIS ABABA — Twenty-nine Ethiopian Muslims were charged Monday with plotting acts of “terrorism”, the majority arrested after protests accusing the government of interference in religious affairs.

    According to court documents, the group is accused of “intending to advance a political, religious or ideological cause” by force and the “planning, preparation, conspiracy, incitement and attempt of terrorist acts.”

    The 29 accused — including nine prominent Muslim leaders — were jailed following protests in July staged by Muslims against the government

    That is for today and there is more just ask if you want more.

  • Gherhi

    Here is a possible solution:

    First remove PFDJ by any means. Stabilize the country using from UN, IGAD, Ethiopia, Sudan, or any other entity. Now that we have tested independence and we have seen the new world order in the 21st century, I think we need to repeat the referendum because I believe Eritreans can now make a more educated decision:

    In the referendum, we can have:

    1. Independence again
    1.1 National Language: Arabic or Tigrinya
    1.2 Structure of government
    1.2.a. reinstitute the old awraja system
    1.2.b, keep the current zoba system
    1.2.c. lowlands and highlands and then have sub-administrations within the lowlands and highlands

    2. Western Eritrea to Sudan and the rest to Ethiopia, like the Bven-Sforza plan.
    2.1 Highlands and Dankalia to Ethio
    2.2 Western Eritrea to Sudan

    3. Two independent nations with clear demarcations and both side with access to the sea
    3.1 The nation of highlands
    3.2 the nation of lowlands

    4. Complete union with Ethiopia

    5. Complete union with Sudan

    P.S. all of these points that involve Ethio and Sudan are provided the two countries are agreeable to the ideas.

    • selam

      why will an ethiopian tell, Eritreans to do his list ?

      National language waww what an idiot idea is that. , All your choises are evil that serves your boss in Tigray.
      We do not need any help from Ethiopia and by the way i can not see the difference between IGAD and Weyane.
      We will remove IA and we will build Eritrea as a democratic state. So please go help EPRDF in their election

      • Gherhi

        Okay, we will count your vote as ‘Independence again’ with no preference on national language and keep the PFDJ orchestrated Zoba structure. Thanks for voting.

        • selam

          Enjoy the coming election theater of EPRDF and you need to thank this amusing Eritrean website
          awate.com for allowing you to say what ever you want. Because you will never ever get the chance in Ethiopian or tigrai websites to say what you want. I see you have too much to say again.

          • Gherhi

            Didn’t IA say, “Ask me again in six months…” hoping something bad will happen in Ethiopian elections. No matter how much you try to cover it up, you are a disciple of IA and PFDJ. We don’t believe anything you are saying. You are only here on a mission to dilute the conversations. You have all been waiting for Ethiopia to implode in one of these elections but your dream hasn’t come true. After this election cycle, you will have to wait another five years to try your luck again. What a pity! My proposal is for a set of fair and reasonable options for the Eritrean people. Read the article about ELL. Their manifesto as well from last year or so. Maybe the lowlanders don’t want to be with us highlanders or maybe the converse is true as well. Let’s give the people the choices. The 1993 referendum was a sham because it didn’t involve all Eritreans who didn’t like EPLF.

          • selam

            Who are you to say us high landers ? do you mean to the people in Tigray ? , i do not take you serious on your words so , it is better you talk with your self . I am born from lowlanders and i guess you know what i will say to you.

            I am not saying ethiopia should set to fire , i really do not wish that to happen even thuogh people like you are doing great harm to other ethnic groups I only say just wait for your time.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam, you are facing two different sides. Tes advancing ahead and Gerhi returning back to referendum. Eritrean national question is over. there is no more U turn. so now forget about it, don’t ever worry and answer about it. the 2nd important thing you should not worry is about division of people, ethnic conflicts etc, that is already tried in history and is no more going to treat our people any more. if it is possible that could have been under PFDJ. in fact one of the main points that prolong the life of PFDJ is because people are very careful of the spark and are doing things carefully (there are narrow mind people everywhere who can burn the unnecessary fire) an people are guarding it.
            I still want you to know, allowing the people to organize themselves in any type of form openly is better than those hidden evil agendas. all we have to do is draw a line as boarder so no one should jump from that line- it is the present of the wide national identity that will give the manor identities freedom.
            hey, I didn’t ignore the case of Jeberty and the questions asked , I will give my suggestion on due time.

          • selam

            Do not you think people like Gerhi are helping HGDEF in directly ? just to get your view .

            With Tesfe i have no problem except some technical words may be. What keeps me locked with him is that . He acts like a dictator to tell people this and that. I personally do not accept such behavior. Because i happens to be grown up in an open society where a girl can go to school and excell in her academics .And at the end of here final year in school tell her father she no longer believe in god or what so ever .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Exactly.

    • Nitricc

      Some People are just plain and simple stupid.

    • Ali

      To Gheri
      As Lowlanders we accept the national language to be Arabic and two independent nations(3) are two important options if not the union of the lowlanders with Sudan with exception of Afar will be important option. I would like to mention something at this junction that the highlanders wants to be leaders by any means they can not be leaders in Ethiopia because their southern counterparts are brilliant and strong than the highlanders of Eritrea. The only option they have is to dominate the lowlanders with no education. For this reason we do not want to be with this selfish, culturally and religiously different people.
      thank you

      • tes

        Selamat Ali,

        Belittling your ownself kills.

        tes

      • Haile WM

        do you seriously speak on behalf of the lowlanders ? and who made you the ambassador of the lowlands ? according to your comments there is one lowland culture and religion, that is far from truth… please focus on the real problem we are facing today as country.

    • tes

      Dear Gherhi,

      I think you were sleeping since you left Eritrea in 1993. When did you live Eritrea by the way, was it before April 1993?

      On the system of governance, we could have discussed though.

      tes

      • Gherhi

        Tes, take it easy buddy. Read Ali’s comment below. It is not all about one group or the other. We have to take into account as to what the wishes are for everyone else. Just as you hate to be united with Ethiopia, perhaps the lowlanders hate to be united with you habesha folk because you have dominated them for centuries. It is time to consider the wishes of everyone involved not only the habesha supremacists, okay.

        • tes

          Dear Gherhi,

          Ali’s comments are just self killing and denying the sacrifies paid by the lowlanders. The lowland people stood more than anyone for the unity of Eritrea and started an armed struggle. It is shame to see then such people like Ali who belittle themselves search other solutions. I believe that every sector in our society should become strong and be firm to fight for his rights. But to lose a ground that you stand for more than half a century and now to turn history upside down is nothing but a losers journey. Let again those who make Eritrea to be independent nation now come together and make it a free nation. If not, it is nothing but another face of YG’s fallacious discouse.

          tes

          • Aman

            Hi tes
            You nailed it right on the head . No one can say it better .
            And that is exactly i am doing right now;
            and I always like to do. You made my day
            so bright tes !! Long live !!
            Happy to be on awate and see it rising….!!!!!

          • Kokhob Selam

            you have said it correctly. that is what I love on you.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Gherhi, I have few points to put here,

          01. white men were not treating equal the nation they colonized and you will always witness part of the nation is more developed by them while other part is not, they do things for their advantage and they do it where they think is good. so the people who stay in industrial area become more capitalist minded and you can see them a bit developed. the labor plus the man who have some education is ready talk, administrate and do things happen than the one in complete feudal character. so if there was a kind of chauvinism (in some) there is nothing to wonder. our struggle days have confirmed us we are the same for Eritrea and the hero was paying his precious soul in every land not for one place. it is a crime to blame highlanders of dominating others as they have paid equal and even more when comes to national question. and today highlanders are suffering more than lowlanders – nerveless to say.

          02. Habesha is our common name. say it highland or lowland, all Ethiopians. I even call Sudan is Habesha although I will just respect what they name themselves.
          03. no where in the world nations was recorded to see people of different places start revolution. but it is after one starts that the join. Eritrean national question didn’t start by lowlanders it was by highlanders that first that starts although not armed. Haleslase try to play the religion card and also try to attract industrious people and that makes Highlanders slow in beginning armed.struggle. in fact it was Mahber shewAte who should be the the starter. for your information wrong way of solving conflicts starts there not when EPLF started. ELF has destroyed Mahber shewAte.

          03. I don’t think lowlanders have an intention of dividing Eritrea. having any type of party is healthy and it should be accepted. labeling them way you do is not good.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Oh boy! I have never heard or seen an “intelligent thinker” who utter one line sentence. Where have you been Abrakam? can you release a little of your “intelligence” to share with forum?

    • Abinet

      Somehow we have to replace Haile TG. Don’t you agree?
      Remember, ” a man with a little knowledge soon displays it”
      I forgot who said it. ( DaIe Carnegie?)

  • T..T.

    It is a fact that nowadays Isayas is only left with his most loyal supporters from Low Landers, the Semhars and the Low Landers in East Sudan. Isayas appears to turn to them in case of need because he believes these people are willing to sacrifice their lives for him. Are the Danakilis there for him? A big NO. Are the Kebessas (including the Sahos and Jebertis) there for him? A big NO. Are the Kunamas there for him? A big NO. Are the others there for him? A big NO. That is why the ELL has first to adjust its situation.

    The concerned, repeat the concerned ELL members have to first redefine ELL by identifying its enemies. Only then it can know its support bases and strengthen its flank defenses to protect its weak points against Isayas’s attacks. It is known that the ELL members cannot move freely in East Sudan unless the presence of Isayasists is eliminated there. The opposition, is believed, with the help of ELL can carry out economic frontal attack on Isayas’s contraband companies and activities in East Sudan, the only remaining economic life line.

    In fact, as equal as Isayas, the Semhar group is defending themselves now for all their past crimes. As evildoers, both Isayas and the Semhar group, do not get any sleep at night because of their past memories and as such in any project, the business is not purpose driven but fear driven in order not the ELL members find grounds to strengthen themselves and get life that enables them to pay back against Isayas and the Semhar group.

  • T..T.

    It is a fact that nowadays Isayas is only left with his most loyal supporters from Low Landers, the Semhars and the Low Landers in East Sudan. Isayas appears to turn to them in case of need because he believes these people are willing to sacrifice their lives for him. Are the Danakilis there for him? A big NO. Are the Kebessas (including the Sahos and Jebertis) there for him? A big NO. Are the Kunamas there for him? A big NO. Are the others there for him? A big NO. That is why the ELL has first to adjust its situation.

    The concerned, repeat the concerned ELL members have to first redefine ELL by identifying its enemies. Only then it can know its support bases and strengthen its flank defenses to protect its weak points against Isayas’s attacks. It is known that the ELL members cannot move freely in East Sudan unless the presence of Isayasists is eliminated there. The opposition, is believed, with the help of ELL can carry out economic frontal attack on Isayas’s contraband companies and activities in East Sudan, the only remaining economic life line.

    In fact, as equal as Isayas, the Semhar group is defending themselves now for all their past crimes. As evildoers, both Isayas and the Semhar group, do not get any sleep at night because of their past memories and as such in any project, the business is not purpose driven but fear driven in order not the ELL members find grounds to strengthen themselves and get life that enables them to pay back against Isayas and the Semhar group.

  • Rahwa T

    Thanks for your reply. Please expand it a bit. If, according to you, religion is the major identity, can you say that the Amharic speaking Muslims (and Muslims in other ethnics for that matter) in Ethiopia are also Jeberti?

  • Semere Andom

    The way I see the ELL is this: it is healthy any minority group to be threatened by the majority. In our case I do not believe that the Highlanders are out there to get the lowlanders per se, they joined to the armed struggled when the brutal backward feudal HS burned the lowland villages to suppress the nascent armed resistance that was sparked in the heart of the Lowlands, while they had it better, while they could have waved their Christian card and lived in peace and this was against the backdrop of all the conspiracies and even the overwhelming vote for the Union.

    Also add to that the demographic reality of Eritrea that tis sustaining PFDJ, the highlanders cannot be blamed for their luck in winning the demographic lottery and that has been used by PFDJ, historically a highland grouping that wooed the minority of Moslems to join its ranks. PFDJ is what is it, highland/Christian dominated both arithmetically and real power, the Moslems who made that unholy alliance are non-existent now both in terms of real power and in numbers, except for the few who I call the “sweeteners.” This is the fact. Now the Lowlands is not one entity, it is a small hodgepodge of different ethnic groups, divided with its own share of bigots and the ELL is a misnomer, although the so called Lowlands represent half of Eritrea in total, is is almost as diversified as Eritrea is constituting almost 8 of the 9 Eritrean ethnic groups. A cursory look at the founders of the ELL does not look like it represents the entire people who call Lowland home, it is a marketing gimmicks given during its baptism.

    Although the grievances of land and other issues of culture and language are real and must be addressed debated mercilessly by the participation of the highlands who believe and sympathize with the predicament of the Lowlands, the configuration of ELL is dangerous as and it can only play a divisive role beginning with its misleading name and its timing. A strong, united Lowland that truly represents the entire Lowlands to balance the inherent highland power, the tyranny that is prone to manifest naturally from the majority can be healthy to catalys the rule of law, where the minority has a say in its affairs and the affairs of the national agenda

    • selam

      The largest group out side Eritrea , especially in Ethiopia refuggee camp, sudan refugee camp , Europe and America are the highlanders (Tigrina) . They are the fastest deserters from the army. The Christians have too much to say about land as HGDEF is using their land too. But that does n’t mean my grandfather is happy with the land grab of HGDEF . Land problem is every where in Eritrea and every elderly from any village is complaining . I guess land issue can be settled easily after HGDEF.

      I guess the crime of HGDEF is also the cultural thing in addition to the economic problem and other things. For example from my parents ethnic groups i can say they are forced to blended with the Christians. They are totally not in the game . My culture have no future with christian leaders and we have been hammered by Hailesilasie , dergi and HGDEF, So we need to negotiate with the next leader of Eritrea to have full control and compensate to redevelop and restore our own culture.

    • tes

      Dear Semere Andom,

      Well said. I can’t say it more.

      tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Semray,

      Is that slips of the tongue? to say ” it is healthy any minority group to be threatened by the majority”. No it has never been healthy minorities to be threatened by the majority. How…How… how my friend? Let alone in its political term the phrase “to threaten” is dangerous even in its literal meaning. Threatening is often the language of a chauvinist and tyranny. Sem, Tuf-Belo, the word always implies dictation in its essence and practical meaning. Ay-Gedin Sem.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Emma:

        Nice to hear from you. I was sloppy about it. I did not mean that the majority to threaten the minority, I meant it is healthy for the minority to be apprehensive about the majority because there could be you know the “tyranny” of the majority even in a civilized society, so it is healthy for the minority to protect it culture to be in the look out for emerging themes of abuse by ruling majority by organizing itself, to safe keep its culture and language of the minority as they can deliberately or inadvertently relegated to oblivious by dominations

        • Nitricc

          No, no no no you were trying to defend TPLF. That is what you were thinking and you it came out. I tell you what though you are one toothless flip flaper. you will never take stand. wow!

          • Semere Andom

            Nitriccs:

            How did TPLF come here? But if you are thinking about their Federal systems, Yes, it is working. Repeat after me Nitriccay slowly,”It is healthy for the minority to feel threatened by the majority and protect its interest, culture and language in the face of majority rule.” And as such, a Lowland League in our country is healthy provided to consolidates all the Lowlands and not just represent one or a couple of ethnic group of the Lowlands. If this cannot fit in the 16bytes please let me know, I can miniaturize it 😉

            I hope you come back by saying you misunderstood me like you did last time;-)

            And you also know it bcause you just said that you support ELL.

      • tes

        Dear Amanuel,

        I admit, I didn’t focus specifically as you did. @Semere Andom:disqus, I join AH, Ay-Gidin Sem in that specific line. You could have said it better.

        tes

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Tes and Emma:
          How abou : “for the minority to feel threatened”?

          • tes

            Dear Semere A.,

            In a democratic political process, you are right. But minority is very diverse in its meaning. Economically, socially and politically, there is no world called minority in a healthy society. But, when coming to power through democratic process, “the minority” concept takes its right definition. Therefore, we need to avoid such words until we build a healthy and democratic society where there is no grievances at all. It hard practically but at least in our vocabulary, we can make it ahppen. Political parties who compete for power, whether they come from small number of society or a party with few members, they are small in number and hence quantitatively, they are minor. Then only we talk about it. For that, we are too far. You know better than me. Lol, lecture do gere nmemhrey. professor V graduate assistant relationship.

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            Not at all you are the prof!
            I was thinking along the line of cultural and linguistic lines, take Canada for example, the majority is English protestant and we have 5 million French and Catholic in Qubec and the Quebecors always are apprehensive about their culture being dominated, I think it happened to them in USA. So they they speak to that and so far the Union is working, the reason is not because the goodness of the majority, the English, but the minority was always kept on its toes by the fear, but it was done in a civilized manner, although sometimes blood boils but cooler heads prevail and life goes on.
            But I did not say it correct until Emma brought to my attention

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sem,

            Again, if the minority felt threatened because the majority threatened them, there is no healthy atmosphere. The healthy doesn’t go with threatening. You could have said it “It isn’t healthy the minorities to feel threatened by the majority.”

          • sarah ogbay

            I think instead of ‘healthy’ ‘natural’ would be more appropriate.

        • Abinet

          Tes
          That is a very fast u-turn.

          • tes

            Dear Abinet,

            Let it be according to you.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,

            I will not hesitate to stand corrected when I get correction from such experienced, advanced man like Amanuel. Tes, is bold enough to correct himself.

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            We are all happy Ato Amanuel is around. You call him a teacher . I agree.
            Amanuel memhru
            Horizon ambasaderu
            Tes balageru
            Hope gerageru
            ———- mamush eshururu
            ( feel the blank)

          • Kokhob Selam

            Nitricc ?

          • Abinet

            You sound like Poulos Gnogno.
            Once he was asked on Addis Zemen ( and Tiyaqe alegn) as to who , among the ethiopian singers has a wide mouth? You know how you answered it? He said
            ” keMohamoud Ahmad litaTalugn new?”
            It is a true story. Compare it to your answer.

          • Kokhob Selam

            yes Abnet,

            that is why I put it in such way to remind you. if you remember few days back what I said to you about him. by the way he had such type of answers. back (around 1965 Ethiipian calendar) 1n 1974 I saw answering in the same way , enjoy it. they use to call me after his name in school when I was very young.

          • Abinet

            You are definitely a talented person. We are all witnesses.
            It always makes me sad the way we misused our potential as a society.
            Btw, in 1965 I was very young . I’m not as old as Prof Tes thinks. He calls me an old man with glasses.
            ” lehulum mesenbet wanaw neger Tena
            Kifu degun leyen edme agegnenina.
            ( from an old song)

          • Kokhob Selam

            that is nice old song

            ኣብነትየ
            ኣልተመቸም ገና ጅብ በዝቷል ባገሩ :
            እንዳታስበላኝ ይደበቅ ሚስጥሩ ::

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Awatistas,
    I said it when it came out the first time and I’ll reiterate now: ELL is scripting the first page of a crack between the lowlander and the highlander Eritreans and I don’t see any positive role. It is bad for Eritrea as a nation, bad for the highlanders and bad even for the lowlanders. This is a pre-federation scheme. Eritrean political and social problems can not be solved using a self-diminishing formula. Such initiative would have been less scary had they come from a sense of strength and magnanimity. It is a bad time to entertain such adventurous stuff now. people are desperate to try untried solutions. Please reject as this is very dangerous that it is coming at this time where and when Eritrea is at a precarious and fragile situation.

    • Nitricc

      Dedebit why do you always do things in the opposite when it comes what is good for Eritrea? Contrary to your believe ELL is the best interest of stable and harmonious Eritrea. let me tell you why. A time will come your Tigryan side and the highland Eritrean to make out and kiss each other’s behind. It will; and then due to your resources language, culture, religion, the close proximity; not you are due to become a force to be rocking with but there is a great, great chance you leave the lowlanders behind and they to become marginalized on their own country. However; if ELL becomes real and true to its missions; it won’t let the two of you to decide the Eritrean lowlanders and Muslims destiny. They better organize and be a force that is not easy to ignore and reject by the reunion of the Tigryans and highlander Eritreans. If Eritrea to be the dream and vision I have for her and her people then it is a happy day for me to see the ELL is established. And it is best for Eritrea and off course bad for Dedebit. The only way I will reject ELL is if they try to sleep with TPLF then they are dead anyways.
      The word of the day is leveling the playing field. A kid in Karura is equally Eritrean a kid Asmara.

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc: “let me tell you why. A time will come your Tigryan side and the highland Eritrean to make out and kiss each other’s behind. It will; and then due to your resources language, culture, religion, the close proximity; not you are due to become a force to be rocking with but there is a great, great chance you leave the lowlanders behind and they to become marginalized on their own country”

        • Kokhob Selam

          do you see what happened? my teacher and the most advanced women is down talking with ignorant and what, talking on his level ! what do we Eritrean lose if people like Nitricc will disappear with PFDJ in coming democratic Eritrea, Eritrea that will continue united and one?

    • Selam

      I apologize sincerely Hayat , i misunderstand you before now take my UP VOTE.

      At this time we need unity in the opposition front badly. I do not mean to silence any voice , every one has a concern and has the right to voice their deep held concern. we can not afford to create so many and do nothing and in the process divided our force becomes zero sum game.

      HGDEF will be very happy to see us live in this process of creating parties.

      • tes

        Dear selam,

        PFDJ will not be happy seeing ELL becoming organized. It is a right way to end PFDJ era. PFDJ knows the reaction that will come and they will not sleep to weaken it. But, but, the question is, how wisely ELL can keep Eritrean identity as a whole united without creating other emerging grievances? Because of PFDJ policies, all Eritreans are victims and to raise united with whatever they can (like that of ELL) is anti-PFDJ.

        But, the concern goes far beyond the demise of PFDJ. ELL is not a religious or regional issue. It is a collective voice coming from certain geographical location of Eritrea. And I believe all people who belong to this geographical location and by the same token the other locations too. I wish we Eritreans didn’t go that low but it happened. When societies get lost in the way, there is no means except to help each other who are in the way.

        I may fail to understand well as I am not that much reading them but these people are not raising any political agenda, they don’t have any political agenda but they are ready to strengthen the political landscape. Even some members of this civic society are members of political organizations. It is good but they need to think outside the black-box. ELL should remember always that they are products of collective failures and this should be their reference point. Any mis-calculation within their discourse can lead to grave and worst political grievances.

        Therefore, if there is anything that we can be cutious is after the demise of PFDJ, and today, how open ELL is to accept the existence of Eritrean grievances at large.

        tes

        tes

        • selam

          I will join them if they are not going to use this organization for their political purpose.
          You know people are stupid and we do things unexpected and that is my concern unless if they enforce our force that is good and sound but as hayat mentioned this can be from the last book for pre-federation scheme. My concern is exactly as you mentioned ELL may not see their grievances as a collective failures and if they do a single issue that can be a very bad .

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Correction: people are not stupid but some individuals can be. Let’s not generalize.

            On the other talk: Whether you will join them or not, it is upto you but stay on your principle and for what you advocate. U-Turn, N-Turn bla bla will not solve Eritrean problem. As for me, I know my grievances as I am part of this society but I will not go that low. I am fighting to end Eritrean grievances. What I believe is all Eritrean grievances is because of PFDJ system. As for you, if you want to advocate for the lowlanders only, I wish you good luck. And don’t forget that there are people also who fight for collective grievances. I believe that solving our political grievances by removing PFDJ system can end all other grievances. Hence, I will stay on my political discourse by making humanity at the center and my objective is to dismantle PFDJ.

            tes

          • selam

            I guess we are doing ok (you and me) . So lets stay cool , i am not saying bla bla .
            I said if they can manage to develop our culture that is well and good for me. I am not looking from a weird way.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Everybody here at awate is doing good. You are not just reading them with open heart. As for you and me, you know when I will react. Please, please, open your heart to the grievances of all our societies. Then, challenge. Please understand people are raising religion, region bla bla issues not because they want but they are forced to do so. Let’s fight when ever it is not of Eritrean value without fear but not with intimidation. I am against PFDJ mindset and I will use Newton’s for that matter and anyone who belittles our collective Eritrean identity, I will say it openly. Else, I can be cool.

            As for you, I will go on to use Netwon’s law till you drop your PFDJ mindset.

            tes

          • selam

            what i said was tesfe if thie ELL is not political , unless i already stated my view. I am sure i have used Newton’s Low better than you in real life and i really could not imagine you jump to criticize some one voice by saying …… I could not understand the PFDG mind set you are blaming me . I have asked you any prove for that claim and i did not find any , i really do not tesfe. So what ever you say is just side view for me.

            I feel every pain that is committed to my people and i am paying more than you personally and in my family too . , you have no idea who i am . And i really would not like you to tell me what to do .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother Tes and sis Selam, I was not around for long hours but I just read all your comments. It seems to me you are now both coming very near. you will have to forget the earlier arguments and keep furnishing your ideas. I am sure the main target of you both is one. please calm down and don’t go personal. Selam, although very intelligent you may have more know from experienced people with continuous education . And Tes as we know you all your wide knowledge will serve a lot by giving more space to people like Selam as they have a lot of confusing questions still unanswered.

          • selam

            I actually do not have question that is an answered in my life, except one and that is , how to dissolve IA . That question remains to be every body’s question.

            I do think every one has the chance to learn so do am i. But here is my question to you Kokhob who is the bully here ?

            , I do believe that to live in accordance with how one thinks. To talk to the one you carry inside yourself. It;s the companion we carry to our grave. Do a favour to yourself by being you , do not try to impose your criteria on others , as you would not like if they impose theirs. Lets see i do not expect others to like me but i respect people’s freedom but i protect my freedom. And that comes by having the courage to say what you think. Even if some times others do not share those views. I may be undiplomatic because i am direct some times. The language i use is the truth even when i am mistaken . When i am wrong , i admit it publicly like what i said to HAYAT.

            will you tell me who is bully , this person is coming every where i go and i have no clue what he wants.

          • Kokhob Selam

            well, soon your differences will end. allow me not say anything for now as that will not help you both.

            let’s come about your problem IA, why you are against one poor man called IA? He is also one poor victim of the society sister Selam. yes he could have done better like Meles Zeynawi but that takes braveness (challenging ego is the most difficult thing man faces). as individual I don’t think I have problem with IA. Why should I have. so my problem is the root cause that brought him to this level. He was not super man, to be so strong. he was not hero and is not hero even to face you in dark place. He has been grown up hearing negative about others and he hate people, poor guy he was easily hired to destroy our national question and then he found the ground ready for him. He use it and went through trying times using his intelligence expanding differences among heroes who were also simply following, there by a long history recorded we Eritrean people deserve the price. that all.

            so, IA is only the result, we need to find the problem within us and go openly solving it. on the way he and all his coward friends will go to trash bin. yes, removing IA only is not a change. it is the entire idea that should be uprooted,

          • selam

            BY entire idea you mean , HGDEF ? if you say so , i just thought both of them are on the same bed.
            Yes i agree.

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            PFDJ is the bed and DIA is sleeping on the bed and frequently playing like a kid on it. This is what I understand. If that is so, weeding-out the bed becomes an absolute solution, isn’t it?

            tes

          • selam

            Yes indeed but can we fight our way from Ethiopia to Eritrea, I mean it is very difficult unless the eritrean people are convinced that HGDEF is their number one enemy unless it will be extremly ugly. We need a lot of ground work to tell the Eritrean people that IA and his HGDEF roots are the main enemy ,

          • tes

            Dear selam,

            Everybody knows who the enemy is but most of us share of the same opinion like yours saying that “it is very difficult”. If we drop this kind of perception sure we will come out with victory.

            tes

          • selam

            I am talking about the people who live here in Eritrea. Do you think they will accept ethiopian forces killing their brothers and sons , who are forced to stationed on the border at gun point will accept the Ethiopian forces to run wild in asmera ? That was my question .
            For me i do not think the Eritrean people are ready to accept the wild wild west of ethiopia.

          • Kokhob Selam

            No!! selam, no one said so. getting support and using it carefully is ok. we didn’t say Ethiopians should come and fight for us. by the way they don’t have and they should not have that intention.

            again we don’t need them to support us the way PFDJ support Ethiopian opposition. do you see now the difference. as I said to you earlier we are both Habesha and we should cooperate always for good of our nations. everything for good reason and in good manner.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam and Tes, lets put it like this – it may not be but is possible. ask me now why I say so, I am not going to put long theory, Just right from our experience go back years and see the development, you will find out every single day PFDJ is exposed. the longest you go back the toughest it was. this is the evidence. do you want to see more on yourself? check how you two were different and in which level you are today. just this simple example shows that it seems impossible but yes, it is possible. one day, PFDJ will become history if we put things right and practically. Keep it up both, you are doing fine.

    • Elenta

      1. Why is an initiative by a group of Eritrean bad,but inviting Ethiopia to invade a sovereign nation is good?

      2. Why is advocating to reverse ” highland Eritrean’s extinction” good, but the outcry of ELL for the low land people bad?

      3. If ELL is a self-diminishing formula for Eritrean political/cultural solution, what about TPLF’s assembled Eritrean ethnic
      based political parties? Do we have to reject them?

      4. What do you mean by pre-federation scheme? Are you referring to those islamists who advocated for Eritrean independence?

      5. Which one do you think should not be entertained because Eritrea is at a precarious and fragile situation.

      a. Talking about Eritrean identity, which YG and his followers said: It is fake and their independence is inspired by Islamist.The highlanders were fooled by those islamist….

      b. Or ELL’s initiative to establish the Lowlanders League as a separate civil society who advocates for “national unity based on a voluntary, free will choice of all national components to coexist in one nation, mutual recognition and acceptance of the
      ethnic and cultural diversity existing, guaranteeing the parity and equality in rights and duties and the embracing of the legitimate interests of all the national components”

      • Hayat Adem

        Elenta,
        1) The Ethiopian intervention is needed as a help to save Eritrea from going to a civil war that will that I fear is to consume it. This ELL initiative needs to be rejected for the same reason.
        2) Removing PFDJ will be the cure for both, most and therefore all problems
        3) The Ethiopian version equivalent to the Eritrean Lowland/Highland divide would be Muslim/Christian
        4) There both Christian and Muslims advocating for Eritrean independence. What about highlanders looking up south, lowlanders looking up north, separate ways?
        5) At this precarious and fragile time, nothing should be more priority for Eritrea than on removing PFDJ.

        • Elenta

          ELL stands for Eritrean Lowland League. I don’t see anything that says Islam or Muslim in the name of their organization. Do you? Or did you read anything in their program/charter that they are fighting for the right of
          Eritrean Muslims?

          The fact is almost all of the leaders in ELL are Eritrean Muslims this is also because more than 90% of Eritrean lowlanders are Muslims. Do you want them to abandon their religion to be considered as a non-religion organization?

          Whenever there is a gathering by Eritreans who happens to be Muslims, the only thing that stands out for people like you is their religion. It is very sad.

          • Nitricc

            Elenta; there is more to it. her name is Hayat Adem and she Eritrean Moslum. just you know. lol

          • Hayat Adem

            I know what ELL stands for. I was just giving you the politically equivalent macro divide in the Ethiopian version. I just don’t believe initiative such as ELL are good things for Eritrea at this time. It may speed up grievances and divisions thereby contributing to pace-up the inevitability of a civil war or at least it leaves Eritrean highlanders totally vulnerable and exposed and the lowlanders seeking long term solutions under a weaker framework. There are better way to address the problems that are motivating lowlanders to take such initiatives in a more comprehensive way.

        • ‘Gheteb

          The utterly hyperbolic assertion that “Eritrea from going to a civil war” at least for me reveals many things. First, it is a clear indication that the person asserting it is an out and out ignoramus regarding Eritrea. Second, it reveals this deeply held wishful thinking that the possibility of a civil war in Eritrea will provide the rational for an Ethiopian invasion thereby fulfilling the desideratum of all Abessinian fundamentalists that they will be able to re- annex Eritrea to their imaginative Ethiopia with its boundless boundary. Third, Hayat and her kindred spirits should worry more about their Ethiopia as by all indications Ethiopia is not only “fragile”, but is also more prone to civil war than most of the Horn countries. Of course, that includes Eritrea. Only a consummately nescient person would entertain the possibility of a civil war in Eritrea. However, if you are an Abessianian fundamentalist it is merely an article of faith to wallow in such kind of wishful thinking that Eritrea is going to descend into an internecine fraternal war. But, alas, that ain’t happening any time soon. For me, Hayat could be from Eritrea or Ethiopia. I don’t know for sure; nor would I want to know. However, I am getting more convinced that Hayat is indeed a dyed-in-the-wool Abessinain fundamentalist. While I am it, allow me to apply my ‘Gheteb razor ( with apologies to Ocam) and give Hayat a quick haircut. Do you think that Haile TG left this Awate forum because of you. I don’t know Haile GT. I have exchanged with him three or four times on a very novel idea and I found Haile TG to be extremely thoughtful and intelligent. I find it extremely hard that Haile TG would leave this forum because of you. Are you saying that he can’t hold his ground against someone like you. Applying “‘Gheteb’s razor”, I found his writings to be facile and lucid, while you are barely able to concatenate even simple sentences. So, by the simple application of ” ‘Gheteb’s razor” Haile GT may have left this forum for any other reasons, but definitely not because of you Hayat. You may have an exaggerated sense of yourself and some may have been praising you to the stratosphere, however you ain’t nothing like that. Just a person named Hayat and by default playing a queen’s role in island of men. Nothing more and nothing less than that!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selamat Gheteb & Hayat,

            As far as you make your debate out of personality attacks, you are good match for a meaningful debate. You have the skills and know how to do it. What ever your positions are, you have good understanding as to the reality on the ground. We the observers expect from you simply to bring the reality on the forefront as is, for common understanding, and then to show us all the possible scenario as to how to tackle them. In the process others will chip in for clarifications to shape the debate in to a productive and educational purposes. What I have observed so far from our debates is, the more it takes time and continue for days and weeks, it slowly slides in to ugly personal attacks. So I implore to you not to delve in to personal attacks, as this issues are strictly collective issue and not personal issues. Of course all of us for obvious reasons, we don’t have the same reading on issues, the same capacity to discern them, and the same know how to tackle them. The debate is to give us clear sight on the issue, learn them, and transform our ability to resolve them. With that in mind, keep on the debate with all the resources available in your domain.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidra

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            There is no need for you to make such kind of calls. I have given my two cents worth and anyone can share their feedback to my take on this forum. It is an open forum for all to share their feedbacks. No one should need special invitation nor any reminders as how to conduct themselves. I don’t care who the commentator is, I will try to make my case. But let me remind you that I am not governed by some subjective standards; nor do I easily fall prey to some females whose métier is guilty tripping their male interlocutors. I will call it as I see it without mincing words. No sugar coating. If a person propounds the tenets of Abessianin fundamentalism ad nauseam, I will describe that person as nothing but an Abessinian fundamentalist and nothing else. And this is without even batting an eyelash even that person is a female. Some would subjectively think that is a personal attack and I say it ain’t. So, Amanuel, I am not holding anyone from commenting as the field is wide open and anyone who wants to ride and gallop in the open fields, here is his/her chance. Enehele Feres Enehele Golgol!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            Do you need to say this: “………nor do I easily fall prey to some females whose métier is guilty tripping their male interlocutors.” For what purpose you need such kind of communication that irritate to female Eritreans and Ethiopians? I think politics has its own “grammar and system of inflections” as to how we say it correctly and decently.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel.
            The point was to let you know that your standard is NOT my standard. If you think that my firm stance that I don’t fall prey to those guilt tripping tactics by the Eritrean or Ethiopian distaffs, then Amanuel you have absolutely no idea who you are talking to. You can apply the “grammar and system of inflections” when you conduct your discourse with the Eritrean/Ethiopian distaffs and you consider their guilty tripping tactic is okay, hey, that means it applies to you. For me, I don’t fall head over heels about such things. That is my standard, period!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Gheteb,

            My last attempt, and my last question to you: You don’t want to recognize your “choice of words” are sensitive to genders in this forum and your readers at large. Okay you could have them. But, whether one is an outright tool of spinning (distaff) or not, is that the only yardstick for measuring a debate standard? I mean a standard in a formal debate whether is it is in virtual or real world . In a formal debate you don’t rule the debate by subjective measurements. If a debate is ruled by subjective discourse, then it isn’t a debate. It will be like a cultural play “Yelaka Yelaka” from two opposite hills, played ostensibly by “shepherds” who herds, guards, and tends sheep and goats, in the rural areas of our society. I don’t know whether you are a familiar with that cultural play game. I thought you could debate by the “civilized debate standard” and the language that governs them, as oppose to subjective standard. Here is another “debate collapse” before it even launched from the springboard of a virtual debate podium.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            I have witnessed your reactions and the way you intrude whenever this person Hayat is exchanging with some other participant of this forum.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,

            I have witnessed and observed for sometimes the way you intrude whenever this person “Hayat Adem” is exchanging ideas with others in this forum. I hate to do this, but I have to tell you bluntly what I have concluded:

            1) I have found you to be a not an objective person, but you are biased in defense of the person who goes by the name “Hayat Adem”.
            2) I am convinced that here you are acting more like “The cyber chaperon” by the way you have acted and reacted.
            3) I connect the dots. There is a clear pattern here.
            The question is who do you think you are fooling. Not me anymore!

          • ‘Gheteb

            Let add this for more clarity,
            I have connected the dots based on my observations and have found a clear pattern. Henceforth, you ain’t fooling me for I have gotten a pretty picture of what you are up to and don’t you even ask as this is my privileged and my privileged information only. So good luck and enjoy your acts, but pretty soon you will lose the little credibility you have left simply because of the unmitigated bias and subjectivity you have been parading here.
            But here is a final challenge to you. The person who uses the name “Hayat Adem” is telling Selam that the words “IDIOT” and “MORON” are not offensive at all and Selam should not apologize for using those terms. Now go ahead and tell this person “Hayat Adem” what you have stated publicly that the terms moron and idiot are indeed very offensive terms. That is a challenge for you to show that you are indeed OBJECTIVE enough and you have the GUTS to call a spade a spade!

          • Abinet

            Gheteb
            I’m really enjoying the debate . It looks like this university is reviving. I like your debating skills. i don’t always agree with you but that is exactly the reason I am here. To Learn from everyone and able to see things from different angle.
            I’ve read almost all your comments starting with the nickname Guest. The more I read the more I connected the dots and decided you are the one and only Haile TG. We all know Haile TG is able to debate on either side of any issue. Anyway I care less who you are as long as I read a good debate.
            Thanks

          • Haile WM

            I thought the same from his first comment. Although his last comment didn’t seem the usual HTG, as i think HTG is more political and less emotional.

          • Abinet

            Haile WM
            Long time no talk
            Haile TG can be emotional as well . Do you remember his debates from long time ago where he was defending the border demarcation ? He is a very talented individual. He can easily spiced it up .
            I’m Happy he is here . Let’s hope all the great minds come back one by one with or without name change.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Abinet,
            Thank you for the feedback. And, you are one of my favorites in this forum. You seem to have a fresh and interesting take on issues. I like that and I also enjoy your sense of humor.
            Thank you, Abinet!

          • Nitricc

            I agree with you 100%. Aman will never call her out. I don’t know what it is but if he thinks anyone is in his corner; he will never say a word in criticism way. I like the man but his loyalty is misplaced and disgraceful. Forget about him for drooling after good for nothing and fake Eritrean Dedebit; but he blame the government of Eritrea for the border issue and never calls-out the TPLF thugs for their refusal to accept what they sign for.
            The same goes with toothless half dedebit Semere Andom. It is perfectly okay to oppose the GoE but why not call the truth. Till this day none of them call out the TPLF thugs for their misdeeds. I can understand the Dedebit grad but how can you explain Aman and Semere? When you reject the truth; the truth rejects you.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Nitricc,
            You said it right and here it is: ” When you reject the truth; the truth rejects you”. Way to go, Nitricc!
            Thank you!

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            This half Dedebit Semere Andsom speaks the truth and truth induces allergy to GoE. You are so wrong on Emma calling Hayat out. Emma, Sal and I called Hayat out when she said that Eritrean did not rebel against the Italians. Emma and Sal were very critical on her comments on this issue. The electricity was scarce in base so let me remind you what I said, kind of summary from my memory.
            of course Eritreans rebelled against the Italians, but then Eritrean identity was just forming so there was no Eritrean identity to speak off since Eritrea was created by the Italians, but the people who inhabited the land now called Eritrea rebelled against the injustice of the Italians. Human being naturally rebel against in justuce, it is human. But things in the human domain happen at the same time and the epoch of the Eritrean armed struggle was where idealism was spreading like wild fire and it was on this crucible that our struggle was sparked as a national force. But Eritreans did revolt against the Italians.. Emma along Sal actually ridiculed The Smart Dededebit Girl by saying things start when they start, but I criticized her differently. What say Nitriccs? You need to increase your insulting diction from the measly 500 that Hayat counted instead uttering “Debebit”.
            Also the TPLF misdeeds: I criricizied them for their treatment of Eritreans in 1998 for confiscated their hard earned properties and for causing deaths. I criticized them for allowing PFDJ to kidnapped Eritrean businessmen when TPLF was in blind love with PFDJ and IA. I criticized them for not differentiating the PFDJ gun totting community members from the hard working Eritreans who paid for the stupidity of PFDJ.
            When the DFH mention the truth it shivers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Semere,

            They don’t have good memory. You have to say it every day…otherwise you will get all the hurling insults. Please tell them this: You get to have good memory to lie.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Mr Semere,
            You don’t seem to get the crux of the issue at hand, and let me spell it out for you here:
            Exhibit A:
            Hayat Adem goes on her self-righteous indignation and said that the word “Shillu” is very offensive and should not be used in addressing a female.
            Exhibt B:
            Amanuel Hidrat reacts in a drop of dime and immediately offered his unwavering support in saying that the word Shillu is very offensive and demeaning.
            So far, so good.
            Exhibit C:
            Hayat Adem asserts that the terms ‘idiot” and ” moron” are not offensive and Selam should not apologize for using those terms. Mind you, this is even after Selam apologized for using those terms.
            Here, Amanuel did not want to call out Hayat and express his take by stating that using those two terms are offensive. This is even after I put the challenge to him. Now, if you can’t see the utter hypocrisy and bias that Amanuel is displaying here, I don’t know what else to tell you. In my book, he is nothing more than a biased subjective person who selectively uses certain incidences to push his own political views. I am more than convinced that there is more to the biasness that he shows when it comes to Hayat than meets the eye. By my lights, he has lost the benefit of the doubts I was giving him and I more than convinced that he has an ax to grind and I will scrutinize his comments and stances more rigorously, henceforth!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Gheteb:
            I was addressing Nitrticc when he said as he says always that Emma and I do not call Hayat ever and not about the current exchange, which I thought wasted much energy needlessly, it even brought back, the ever linguistically gifted, Saleh Gadi, the only good thing about it :

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb,
            Don’t bother people and solicit support from them by shaming and blaming. That is very low. you made Selam cough that apology out. You are trying it on others as well. Moron and Idiot are insults. So is crazy, lazy, insane, foolish, stupid… Compare this with the following: womanizer, fat, shillu, stinky, filthy etc. Although the first ones are insults when you use them without any context, they can be legitimate technical words that can be used to point to a bad judgement made by a person. So, Selam didn’t use them without context. It was in reaction to an action and that action can be considered a product of an idiotic or moronic judgement. The key word here is”technical”, meaning they have a role to play in a communication that some how concerns the speaker.
            The 2nd group is different. It is used to demean a person in a personality context, which usually has nothing to do with the speaker. That is wrong if you consider yourself very civil and civilized. I’m a very conscious person about such stuff and such derogatory words are not in my active dictionary but if I ever accidentally offended a person at that level, I don’t hesitate to offer my apologies right away to correct my mess. If someone used it against me, I wouldn’t fight hard and waste my energy to squeeze apologies out of him or her. That is because it speaks more about the user than me the receiver.

          • ‘Gheteb

            First of, I am not here soliciting support by “shaming and blaming”. You are wrong and don’t even go there as I am only exposing those who are talking from both sides of their mouth. I have not asked Selam to apologize to me. You are again wrong; nor did I make her cough up an apology. I know, I know you are using your usual GUILT TRIPPING card here, but as I told you it doesn’t work on me. So give it up and try something such as “talking tough”. The only problem is what kind of words are you going to use since “derogatory words don’t exist in [your] active dictionary”? Does that mean you also have ‘an inactive dictionary’ that you may utilize when you are “talking tough”?

          • Nitricc

            Have you ever demanded the TPLF thugs to accept what they Agree for in the border issue? NO!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrikay,

            The border issue can not be resolve by your demand or Semere’s demand or any individual Eritrean. Border issues are resolved by governments, not by individual citizen. Do you know your limits as citizen. If you want to act beyond an individual citizen, ask to be part of the diplomatic core of Eritrean government and bring engagement between the two government. Crying TPLF leave our land is neither politics nor it a diplomacy. The border issue will only be solved by engagement. Can you learn that. How difficult it is for you to understand it.

          • operation sunset

            Emma I really appreciate for your consistent belief you have my full support in the border issue.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Mr. Amanuel;

            What a nonesense. Having a clear and unbiased standpoint regarding the border issue doesn’t mean that someone has the power to demand Ethiopian withdrawal. This truth must have been clear to you. Nitricc is not calling on you guys to demand Ethiopia leave Eritrean sovereign territories; he is rather calling upon you to have a bold and unspoiled view regring Ethiopia’s noncompliance with the EEBC ruling

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hello Abraham,
            That is not only nonsense. It more than that. It is a gibberish DOUBLE TALK by a person who doesn’t want to take a CLEAR and PRINCIPLED stand on the EEBC rulings. It takes a man of integrity and a steadfast belief in his principles not only to accept the border ruling, but to call for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Ethiopian troops from sovereign Ethiopian territories. Amanuel does none of that, so one is left to ask WHY? There could be at least two reasons which are: a) Eritrea sovereignty is not that much of a concern to him b) He doesn’t want to deviate from the Weyanes stand which sounds precisely like the gibberish double talk he regurgitated in his response to Nitricc.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Gheteb and Ab too:
            I am not replying on behalf of Emma. But this discussion was trigged by Nitricc challenging me if I have criticized TPLF. I said, I did. He came back with if I said they should withdraw from our territories and I said, I did.
            But, now and by now I do not mean after the triggering of the debate but for a while now, I believe that it is in the best interest for justice and in the best interest of the Eritrean people for Ethiopia to stay put. Yes you heard it right, I am saying that Ethiopia should keep occupying the territories it holds even after it said it accepted the ruling in principle. And here is why:
            I believe that whether Ethiopia withdraws or not, it has no bearing in the abuses, criminality of PFDJ, it will give them bragging right, which they do not deserve, remember that PFDJ was defeated not Eritreans, Haile Derue, who negotiated on behalf of PFDJ said it, and he also said that Woyane said that. Their continuing occupation will remind people how weak, vurnerable and impotent PFDJ is. PFDJ is not swallowing this humiliation to spar Eritrean life, it is living with it because it can do nothing about it. For Ethiopia to remain in Eritrean land, which some of it was given to it by EPLF, benefits the Eritrean movements for change than it does to Ethiopia, it is there just because it can.

            Also contrary to the silly believe that people will rise in mass once Ethiopia withdraws, I believe that PFDJ will repress with vengeance once the “cold” war with Ethiopia is removed from the equation, all resources and tentacles will be directed to spying, and repressing Eritreans. The life of an Eritrean will not be better, it will be worse. The warsay Yeakalo project was conceived because IA thought the bordered issue will be solved and the plan was to keep enslaving the youth. The concept of an Eritrean Spring will not happen after the withdrawal, so there is no benefit for the Eritreans whether Ethiopia occupies some meaningless real estate., it will at least deprive PFDJ from creating underground prisoners in those areas.
            Short of Ethiopia invading without the opposition to claim Assab as it stand now, Ethiopia is not endangering the sovereignty of Eritrea by merely occupying some of its territories, but the protracted occupation of PFDJ of the people and land of Eritrean is an existential threat to the sovereignty of the nation, the frustration that made nationalist Eritreans to create ELL is a hint and Ethiopia has nothing to do with it. The obsession with the withdrawal is missing the big picture of the threat that PFDJ poses. Ethiopian in principle accepted the ruling , it in principle declared that Assab is Eritrean, it (TPLF) in principle accepted the Eritrean independence, but PFDJ has yet to accept in principle the right of every Eritrean for life and liberty and that is more dangerous to Eritrea

          • Dear Semere Andom,
            In the unfortunate wars that took place between these two brotherly people, it was the PFDJ that was defeated in the 1998-2000 war, and not the Eritrean people (as you rightfully pinpointed); and the Dergue that was defeated in 1991, not the Ethiopian people. This indeed is the whole truth, despite all the “we defeated you” mantra, some people utter now and then. If both people come to understand this fact, I think that it will help a lot in their future relationship.

          • Kokhob Selam

            yes, that is true. And besides, past is only a lesson, that will let both know on how to manage conflicts and differences when they accrue. on how to come to win-win solutions.on what cooperation means to both brotherly people. just by imagining how much could we have benefited if we don’t go for war. we can see how much we have lost. We need make history by learning from the past.Who is my brother if an Ethiopian is not in this world.

          • Nitricc

            Wow; your out of the box thinking is shattering the great awate-forum. Dude; you must have a miserable life. You have no gumption, no principals, no character. If it was up to you, we wouldn’t have Eritrea either; since you tacked your tile between your legs and runaway like a little girl and now you want give away the land that took blood and international verdict. I tell you what; I am not surprised to hear you say that because it is true as stuart Mill put it…

            “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.”

            You are much worst! You have the most decayed, degraded morality and worst; coward. I know you won’t be there but trust me, your Dedebit will vacate from the land that belongs to Eritrea.
            You are too weak and dumb.

          • Semere Andom

            For the DFH (The Dumb, Fearless and Heartless) the “life” of stones is worth more than the life of an Eritrean. Tell me what have your government accomplished in the last quarter of a century except moving dirt and rocks and clearing streets that no one will walk on, building dams that no one will drink from and replacing universities with prisons that thousands of of Eritreans languish in. Tell what have your government done to better the Eritrean life except worsening it and this happened way before the border issue surfaced. My struggle is on behalf the poor people and not on the behalf lifeless stones and hills

            So if you love Eritrea more than me, why are you serving the “homogony” of USA that supports TPLF? Here you have it, Ethiopia’s occupation has nothing to do with our suffering this is the pre-occupation of the weak minds like you and those who mendaciously think that the border issue will solve our problems that emanate from the tyranny we have

          • operation sunset

            What did you said “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” you are backward trenche diggers… Why u and your Digger ceo digging 1000 trenches if you know war is ugly why you dig? Finally your trenches became your grave…

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Mr.Semere,
            The reasons and rationales you have proffered for why Ethiopia should continue to occupy Badme and environs is a perfect example of what is known as “silly syllogism”. The reason is simple. If you are okaying for Ethiopia to continue occupying Badme so that it would “deny the PFDJ a bragging right” then it follows that you are also giving Ethiopia the green light to occupy almost all of Eritrean territories so that the PFDJ would be weakened and would be seen as “impotent”. I am talking about a scenario where the PFDJ would be corralled in a small plot of a land and every other inch of Eritrea’s territory to be occupied by the Weyanes. That is where you would end up, Mr.Semere. The illogic of your silly syllogism makes it abundantly clear that your political stance regarding the occupied Badme utterly UNTENABLE!

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb
            No man with self respect and a shred of principals will say what Semere has said. You don’t get respect by cowardly giving what is yours. You take it what ever it takes. Especially in the region we are in; NEVER BE WEAK! it does not mean look for wars.
            I do understand the pro’s and con’s of Badime; probably we are better of with out it but too late. Blood has been shade; bodies have been crippled, properties have been lost and most of all the rule of law has spoken. What is ours; we will get it, whenever and what ever it takes. There is no other choice.

          • Semere Andom

            Whether you can understand it or not the Eritrea has been perpetually under occupation by PFDJ. But this is too deep, too rocket science, too compassionate for your to understand. Right now, under the current predicament, when the nation is in the brink of collapse, when our population is being emptied to the point the usually sluggish moving UN has been alarmed, the obsession with the Ethiopian occupation of measly arid area is an outright dumb or misguided. But the feeling of egalitarian, the feeling of empathy and sympathy are domains of those who really feel for the suffering of Eritreans. I also know a government worth its salt must claim what is rightly its own, but your PFDJ couldn’t, cannot and will not do that. PFDJ is too impotent and cowardly to remove Woyane, only powerful to abuse the poor, the starved, the diseased women and men of Eritrea. I would rather remove the entity that is occupying the entire Eritrea an entity that has never even in words and in principle acknowledged the inalienable right for the people for liberty and dignity rather than squander energy to remove an entity that is occupying a negligible portion of my land and an entity that at least articulated in principle that it accepts the ruling.

          • Fnote Selam

            Semere,

            The argument that returning Badme to Eritrea seems a bit weak to me and slippery slope as well. Other than that, I agree with you, the issue doesn’t deserve even 5% of our focus….it is not like Badme is a banana that Eth would eat and we wouldn’t ve it back forever.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            SemA
            What a confused time? This is the first time I am reading from an Eritrean saying “let Ethiopia stay put occupying Eritrean land”, or stating that supporting Ethiopian occupation of Eritrean land is tactically a better option to galvanizing Eritreans against the “occupying PFDJ.” I read this, with some Tigringlish mixing and clarifications, to aboy Qeshi, a man who is bitterly opposed to PFDJ. You know what he said? ውይ ጉድ ደቀይ! ክሳብ ክንድ’ዚ ተኻኢልና ዲና? He did not finish his Starbucks coffee. I read many comments of the AC club in the past; but it was in the disguise of “supporting the opposition in regime change, and then we can do the rest!” Now, actually, you are saying “let Ethiopia occupy our land” in order to “humiliate” PFDJ. So, the sovereign of our nation concerns only PFDJ? See, how you subconsciously give PFDJ a legitimation? How is that the clamoring for Ethiopian invasion or occupying of Eritrean lands could help you win Eritreans?
            My position is this:
            a/ Ethiopia has no option but to accept the ruling, doing otherwise would make it stand as renegading the ruling; and that’s what it’s been doing.
            b/ Eritrea has an option to accept the ruling, which it did; and a room for showing flexibility in settling it, since the agreement doesn’t bar it from sitting with Ethiopia on how to proceed demarcating the border based on the EEBC ruling. Eritrea did accept the ruling but showed no flexibility, still within its boundary of honoring the agreement.
            Now calling on both governments to settle the situation expeditiously and judiciously is a citizen’s responsibility. But calling a foreign force to stay put occupying your land; and at the same time thinking you that will somehow help you get rid of the party that’s calling for liberation of our lands is an extra-oxymoronic position.
            As I have repeatedly pointed it out, this type of talk actually backfires and causes responsible citizens to stick with the devil they know. Now you have the extreme of that in the expression of ELL, which will definitely erode an already precarious situation of the “opposition” camp.
            In addition to that, your position actually, threatens the region; that’s my concern. I have said in the past there is no reason why both governments should not meet and start talking. My concern is another devastating war. Nations do strategic calculations. One of this could be a negotiation where both sides emerge as winners. That’s the way for both peoples to heal their wounds. For this to happen, we need leaders who could rise above personal egos and national brides.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi tegadalai Mahmuday:

            What is sovereign to you? My definition of sovereign is when the people have a supreme say in their land and in their life, full authority, it is not a handful of Eritreans having supreme say in Eritrea and its people, so as I said to Nitric, Eritrea is under perpetual occupation, so instead of expending energy to remove Ethiopia that occupies negligible part of Eritrea how about removing the entity occupying 99.9% of Eritrea.

            The obsession of the Eritrean public with piece of land and making it priority instead of the PFDJ occupied land is a paradigm that must be shifted to use a tired cliché.

            If like me you believe being ruled by a handful of criminals who share citizenship with us is not sovereign, if you believe that there is no difference between an Eritrean tyranny and a foreign tyrant, if you believe that the Ethiopian occupation as it stand now will appear useless debate to contemplate. I do not support for Ethiopia to invade Eritrea, but I support it to give a military support to an opposition that has gotten its act together to remove PFDJ, a support that bolsters an Eritrean agenda, based on an Eritrean vision to remove common enemy with educated guess that the new government will make the issue that sparked ELL history, a government that will keep Eritrea with its diversity and a government that will strengthen the stitched country Eritrea to make the tapestry harmonious with rule of law by giving dignity to every Eritrea. You may ask Ethiopia will not agree to this kind of support if nothing in it is for them, true but a strong opposition should be able to wrestle and convince them that the only interest for Ethiopia is to establish stable Eritrea by removing a common enemy and healthy bilateral future relationship. Of course like before the heavy lifting must be done by us but getting a clear, open military support is not invasion and not immoral, it is the right thing to do. It is not weakness it is collaboration Would you support this scenario of military support

            The Achilles hills of PFDJ is not the withdrawal of Ethiopia, it is squeezing it from all corners and Ethiopia with its current attitude toward us is part of the equation. My worst fear is that who ever comes to power in Ethiopia mends relationship with PFDJ, giving it a life line, that would be the worst thing that ever happened to Eritrea, the second is PFDJ’ ascension to power

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Sem A
            Sovereign is just that: Sovereign. If you don’t care about the parameters which frame an entity as sovereign, then you have no credibility to tell me niceties about the welfare of the occupants within (the people). If a cell loses the function of its membrane/wall its contents have zero survival. It’s political boundaries which give nations their unique frame. Delineating this fact or downplaying it amounts to an open call for reunification. Say it boldly. That is as pertains to your views which confuse Eritrean internal issue (the state of democratization within Eritrea, which should be entirely an Eritrean business). If you are of the party which lost hope on its people, well, that’s the way to stay relevant to your small circle. If you are really for the betterment of your country and people, then these sorts of talks affect the efforts being made to improve Eritrea. I suspect part of the reason for the emergence of voices such as the ELL is the strong infatuation of some “opposition” elements towards Ethiopian expansionist attitude. It’s abundantly clear, there is a relapsed agenda of unionist ambitions disguised in the chaos of justice seekers. That’s what the likes of ELL are reading. Thanks to the astute people of Eritrea, I will sleep soundly. Thanks to responsible opposition groups and members the whole project of affecting domestic front positively won’t be tarnished by sensationalizing statements which thrive on the plight of our people. We can do both at the same time. We can oppose Ethiopian occupation while giving our people hope and strength. We oppose Ethiopian refusal because it’s wrong; and we oppose PFDJ because it’s wrong/unjust.

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Mahmuday:

            When I believe in Unification, I will say it, and many Eritreans when they believe it they will say it, we have no choice that is “rule” of rule of law!

            No, ELL emerged because of PFDJ do not gloss over it, please say it boldly. There is not collective astuteness, let us leave the condescending rhetoric, it boils down to leadership and the people will either follow or oppose not because if “astuteness” but because of their interest. Simple. PFDJ is hiding behind the border issue and so are many of an Eritrean, if you call my dissent a call of unification, I cannot do anything about that except to tell you the era of unification has elapsed, it may come one day, but now is not its time and when it does you and I can do nothing about it the same way Ethiopia could do nothing about our need for independence, if we establish rule of law it will be peaceful if not it will be again bloody. So when we debate this issue please stir away from accusing me or insinuating that I am a unionist, if I was I will say it, to speak about unification now is a stupid as to obsess with the border issue as it has been solved and those who matter: the Eritrean people and the Ethiopian people and the current government of Ethiopia have moved on from the notion.

            The ELL emerged not because they are fearing unification, but they are fearing PFDJ’s illegal occupation of their land, one of its founders was humialted by IA when he asked/spoke Arabic, ELL did not emerge overnight, it is his manifestation of PFDJ’s wanton abuse for 24 years. ELL is the sign of the angst of the lowlands culture, they cannot be possibly afraid of a unification movement that does not exist or if it does as you claim has no power for the lowlands to be so apprehensive.

            To fetishize the occupation that has no bearing on the suffering of the people while PFDJ is the cause of what ails Eritrea and Eritreas and accuse Eritreans of unification just because they dissented from the common view that is embraced by most Eritreans is borderline Isaiaisque.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere
            Let’s leave the fattening rhetoric and get to the bone. I’m the first person to be happy to see the unification of Africa let alone neighboring countries, but it should not be forced upon us. As you said it should be peaceful and mutually agreed upon, a process that takes technical and societal aspects and matures over a long period of time divided into phases. Now we are talking about a legally closed issue. Appeasing Ethiopia for its occupation does not bring peace to the region; it doesn’t bring the downfall of PFDJ, it actually hurts the efforts of genuine justice seekers inside and in diaspora. If you can’t understand this, I think you are detached from the reality of Eritrean psyche. Downplaying the occupation and blurring the significance of the border and its demarcation sends an important signal: and you know what it is. So, Ethiopia is wrong violating an agreement that it had signed; and it should be described as such. PFDJ, of course, has its own reasons to be opposed. This is on principle. On tactical level, I don’t see Eritreans rallying along a force or a call which supports the occupier of their land. You said the border is settled, yes? What does the settlement say?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I don’t think other than the people (a) who reside on the border areas, and (b) who might be affected by the verdict, and who might also have understandably qualms and stand against that decision, no one will oppose from the Eritrean side to it. (Take this fact as truth No-1).

            Second, Isn’t it PFDJ regime who kicked them out to the peace-Keeping forces designated by the UN, who in fact were part of the enforcing mechanism? In the absence of that enforcing mechanism and others, could the guarantors have any mechanism to enforce or persuade the actors to abide by the ruling? Isn’t it in itself the act of kicking out the the UN’s peace keeping force is a disrespecting to the institution, to the very international of arbitration, that brought them together and gave them the ruling to abide with? Why are we now crying foul Ethiopia of not abiding where the mechanism in place was pushed out by the regime? ( Truth No-2).

            Third, can Ethiopia leave the contested area without the mechanism in place and the tools of international diplomacy in the forefront of the issue itself? Didn’t the regime closed to all possible diplomatic persuasion that could render by the international organizations and International community? In the event of such situation, what is the role of citizen in regard the boarder issue. Accepting the ruling in principle is one thing as citizen, but challenging to be implemented the ruling through the international mechanisms is different, and is the duty of the governing body. What I believe for those who cares more about the border issue than the suffocating reality of our people, should is to challenge the regime to reinstate the mechanism of enforcement by engaging with international community. Without those mechanisms, and other related tools, it is simply futile to call Ethiopia to abide by the ruling. Bring the mechanisms and the International community back on the ground and talk with your adversary in a round table to resolve it. Other than that it is all bluffs by the government to put itself as an abiding regime to the ruling.

            Last but not least, those of us in the opposition camp, other than to stand by the ruling, we don’t have an iota power to change the no peace no war strategy of the regime, which is the only reason they are hanging in power. So let us stop criminalizing each other in thing that is out of out control. We ought to know the limits of the opposition, as far as we are not a legitimate representative of the Eritrean people by the international community.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • teweldino

            Thanks for explaining what [b]should[/b] happen. Do you think it is [b]likely[/b] that Ethiopia will handover Badme to Eritrea and resolve the border issue while PFDJ is in power? Please note my question is about what you think will probably happen rather that what is possible (because everything is possible). I am interested to know your prognosis based on your rich experience and understanding of both organizations.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            SalamTeweldino
            Ethiopia has already dishonored it’s obligation in broad daylight without any meaningful international sanctions, apart from meek coaxing and benign calls upon it to respect what it had signed for. I have no expectation that it will do something it didn’t do under the leadership of PMMZ assuming international grip of the situation remains unchanged. This is the objective assessment of the situation.
            Therefore, the nature of the conflict demands good will of the concerned parties in order to be concluded in a way it is sealed forever. Both parties are on the record accepting it. So, given the situation we witness, both governments have two options.
            a/to subject future generations to the untangling of messy arrangements we have left unsolved; worse, condemning them to an India/Pakistan type of relationship.
            b/rise to the occasion and make some sort of painful compromise which doesn’t undo the EEBC ruling.
            My guess is the later one. However, I don’t see it happening while the old guards of both EPRDF and PFDJ are still in decision-making roles. There is too deep of a mistrust in both sides. That’s what pains me. You have a relatively calm border which is prone to the slightest miscalculation which could trigger another round of a senseless war. That’s with regard to your question, and please, I’m an average citizen; so take it as a humble assessment.
            But the point was not about the border and how it should be solved, but about a statement that called for Ethiopia to stay put occupying what has been ruled Eritrean territory. As an Eritrean, while expressing my view on how to overcome the impasse (which I know is not favored by the majority of Eritreans), I do consider Ethiopia as a party that has dishonored its obligation and as a country which is occupying what has been ruled as Eritrean territory. I don’t call for its staying put occupying Eritrean land. Even as a precedent, that’s not a good sign from Ethiopia.How is it that a country that has refused to abide by an agreement that it’s signed will somehow turn into an angel ones pfdj is gone and allow the process to be concluded? That’s a homework puzzle for those who float that notion

          • Kokhob Selam

            So what do we need to solve the boarder issue? don’t we need government? yes,at that highly qualified and legal government. for sure Ethiopians are holding this land for a purpose as we can see they are matured and are working in all fields building their nation.

            During our national struggle, it was possible to go with every nonsense and uncivilized guy but when you became nation you should have wise men on top. so “ክንቡርኩት ከይንቡርኩት ኣብ ማይ ንብጻሕ “:

          • Mahmud Saleh

            kokebay
            መታን ኣብ ማይ ክትበጽሕ፡ ናብ ማይ ዘብጽሕ ኣገባብ ወይ መገዲ ተኸተል። ኣብ ማይ ዘብጸሓካ ኢትዮጵያ ዘይኮነትስ ህዝብኻ እዩ። ከምዚ ዝዓይነቱ ግድይለሽ ኣዘራርባ ናብ ማይ ኣየብጽሕን።

          • Kokhob Selam

            ድሑር ፖሎቲካዊ ስልትታት መሪሕነት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ሓርነት ኤርትራ ነቲ ህርፋንን ድልየትን ህዝብና ኣብ መዕርፎ ከብጽሖ ክምዘይከኣለ ልዕሊ ኩሉ ትፈልጦ ንስኻ ኢኻ ::ንነገራት ዘይመልክዖም ምትሓዝ : ንሰባት ምጽላምን ምቅታልን ጠቃሚ ነይሩ እንተዝኸውን ነቶም ኣብ መጨረሻ ዝተጓሕፉ ሰዓብቲ ኤስያስ ምጠቀመ ነይሩ ::

            “ኣብ ማይ ዘብጸሓካ ኢትዮጵያ ዘይኮነትስ ህዝብኻ እዩ።” እዚ ዝዓይነቱ ቅንጸላ ነቲ መሪሕነትካ ዘምሃሩኻ ቀንጻሊ ጠባያይ እዩ ኣቃሊዑ ::

            እዚ ሕጂ ኣብ ላዕሊ ዝጸሓፍካዮ ጠቀነ ካብ ሓቂ ዝረሓቐ ምዃኑ ማንም ናይ ክልቴና ብሂላት ዘንበበ ዝምስክሮ እዮ : ኣነ ኢትዮጵያ ጉዳይና ትፍተሓልና ዝበልኩሉ ግዜ የለን : ኣነ ኣብ ትሕቲ ከምዚ ዝኣመሰለ ድሑር መሪሕነት ዝፍታሕ ዶባዊ ጉዳይ የለን እየ ዝበልኩ : መርገጸይ ንጹር እዩ :: ቀልባዕባዕ ምባል ብህርይ ናይ ተበለጽቲ እዩ እሞ ሓደን ክፈትወለይ ሓደን ክምርቀለይ ዘይንጹር መስመር ሒዘ ዝጎዓዝ ሰብ ያኮንኩን ;:ኣይኮነን ባድመ እታ ሃገር ‘ውን ህልውናኣ ልሙስ እዩ :እዚ ድኣ እሞ ዓለም ብዓለማ ትፈልጦ ሓቂ ክንሱ ከመይ ገይሩ ይስወረካ ::

            መገዲ ማይ ግን ንስኻን ኣነን ብሓባር ንፍለጦ – እቲ ላንጋ ላንጋ ጉዕዞ ከምዘይጠቅም ግዳ ርግጸኛ እየ::

          • Mahmud Saleh

            ኮኸባይ

            ሕራይ መሪሕነት ህግ ድሑር ንበሎ፣ መርሕነት መን እዩ እቲ ገስጋሲ? ኣድራሻ ሓብረኒ በጀኻ። ብዘይካ ሓርበኛ ወያናይ ማለተይ እዩ። እቲ ቅዉም ነገር፡ ዓዲ ፈኸራን ደሮናን የለናን። ናይ ላንጋላንጋስ ደሓን ንጎኒ ንግደፎ እሞ ኣብቲ ዘዛርብ ዘሎ ጉዳይ ነድህብ። ተባዕን ላንጋላንጋ ዘየፈላሊ ግዜ ስለዝኾነ እንድዩ ኣብዚ ዘለና።

            “ማሕሙዳይ ንኹሉ ከተሕጉስ ኣይትፈትን መላኢካን ሸይጣንን ብሓባር ምእንጋድ ኣይከኣልን እዩ :ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ኣብ ጎልጎል ዘትርፍ መርገጽ እዩ : ንበዓል ነትሪክ ሽሩሩ ክተብል ሓቂ ኣይትርገጽ ::”
            ከምዚ ዓይነት ኣዘራርባ ኣየላዝብን እዩ። ቅሩብ ምስ ዕድመና ኣይከይድን እዩ ኮኸባይ ዓቢ ሰብ።

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ማሕሙዳይ

            እቲ ቅኑዕ ጉዕዞ ሲ ተራእዩ እዮ :: ጀጋኑ ንናጽነት ከቛምቱን መእንተኣ ክ ውድቁን እንከለው ኣብ ልዕሊ ሓፋሾም እምነት ስለ ዝነበሮም እዩ ‘ምበር ኣብ ልዕሊ ቀንጻሊ ኣራዊታዊ ጉጅለ እምነት ስለዝነብሮም ኣይኮነን :: ኣነን ንስኻን ከኣ ደቂ ‘ዚ ውጽዕ ህዝቢ ኢና ::ሕሉፍ ንታሪኽ ገዲፍና ብውሑዱ ኣብ ምድሓን ሃገርነት ኤርትራ ናይ ሓባር ግደ ከነበርክት ምተገበአ:: ቅኑዕ ንቁሕን ኣርሒቁ ዝሓስብን መሪሕነት ይሃልወና ምባል ከመይ ገይሩ ከም ገበን ይቁጸር ?

            ኣነ እዚ ውድብ ዶ እዚ ኢለ ክገልጸልካ ኣይትጸበ :: የግዳስ ኩሎ ፋሕ ኢሉ ዘሎ ሓይልታት ኣብ ምስማር ትርር ዝበለ -ኣብ ሓቂ ዝተሞርኮሰ መስመር ክህልወና እየ ዝምህጸነካ ዘለኹ ::

            ጉዳይ ባድመ ወላሂ ወላሂ ይብለካ ኣለኹ ኣነ ባዕለይ ዝነበርኩዎ ዘንታ ፩፱፯፰ ስለ ዘሎን ጀብሃ ክሳብ ተከዜ ከምዘጓየየቶምን ብኣንጻሩ እቲ ንሶም ኮፍ ክብሉ ዘፍቀደ እቲ ድጉል ዕላማ ዝነበሮ ወገናዊ ጉጅለ- ባዕሉ እዚ ሕጂ ሽንጡ ገቲሩ ዘ ህተፍትፍ ዘሎ ድርባይ ጉጅለ ምዃኑ የረጋግጸልካ ::

            ኢትዮጵያውያን ሎሚ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ትግራይ ጥራይ ኣይኮኑን : ነቲ ጡርጡርን ዘይእሙንን ስርዓት ምስ ተዓዘቡ ምስ ምላእ ህዝቢ እትዮጵያ ኮይኖም ኣብ ምህናጽ ሃገሮም እዮም ኣድሂቦም :: ኣብ ‘ዚ ነቲ ናግራምን ኢዱ ዘይእርንብን ጉጅለ ዘዳኹሙላ – ኣሲሮም ዝሑዙላን ሓንቲ ዕድል ባድመ ስለዝኾነት ሒዞማ ይርከቡ :: ድኹምን ስርዓት ኣልቦን ጉጅለ ኣብ ውሽጢ ኢትዮጵያ ክፍጽሞ ዝፈተኖ ገበናት ኩሉ ዓጊቶሞ (ዘይፈተኖ መገዲ የለን) ንሶም ስረሖም ይገብሩ ኣለው :: ሃገርና ድማ እንሆ ሓመድ ድፋጫኣ ትሰቲ ኣላ :: እሞ ጉዳይ ባድመ ብሓይሊ ይኹን ብሰላም ክፈትሖ ዘይከኣለ ጉጅለ ካብ ምልጋስ ንላዕሊ እንታይ ኣማራጺ ኣሎ

            እቲ ሓላፍነት ግን ናይ ሓባር እዩ እቲ መገዲ ኸኣ ንጹር መርገጽ ምውሳድ እዩ ::

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokebay
            እንታይ መርገጺ ኢኻ ትሓተሉ ዘለኻ? እንታይ ከ ኣምጸኦ እቲ ምጽብጻብ? መን እዩ እቲ ዝያዳ ካልኦት ንህዝቡን ሃገሩን ዝሓሊ? ንገረኒ።
            Any way, I was responding to Teweldino. You interjected, and the thread is up there for everyone to see it. I’m not going to repeat my positions on various areas. What for and for whom? And why should I? Did I ask you to clarify your stances? What makes you behave as a judge? One thing is clear, I won’t spend a millisecond worth of my time waiting from groups which entertain “please keep Ethiopia occupying us” or ” Ethiopians will return our land once PFDJ is gone…”, simply because you have no clue what Eritreans think with regard to this issue. Of course, I am not asking you to fight Ethiopia out, but as a principle, you should tell Ethiopia “It’s wrong,” period.
            Another point kokebay, as much as I want to follow your postings, and I do follow them, you mix issues. For example, here, you jumped from a political debate to character assassination. I mean, please, let’s respect each other. My position is crystal clear: change will come from inside, if we do exemplary works in the diaspora, we will affect the desired change positively. I do firmly believe in the will of the people. I do believe the majority of PFDJ members are for change, and actually, they paid heavily. They are the ones we speak of as political prisoners. I don’t subscribe to the wild dreams of accosting Ethiopians to the suburbs of Asmara. This is an Eritrean project.
            One more thing: Just act for a day like shaebia and you will be able to chase pfdj out. I guarantee it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday, Let all what you said and what I said be there. it is strange for me to see people like you are still taking mixed stands. last word from me to you, and I always say it. I took it from theosophists
            they said “there is no religion higher than truth” and I said there is no freedom higher than democracy. now go and continue having those stands but for me the entire PFDJ will remain my enemy and Shaebia is not there to talk about it. I don’t care who will support me (any one in the world leave alone my brothers from Ethiopia) you can imagine even those who will burn people but PFDJ should be removed. so you have seen my stand and I have seen you stand. if you think this a jock and nothing will happen remember me, this way or the other PFDJ will be removd and no single PFDJ will remain in Eritrea.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokebay
            It hurts but I have to do it. Again, you have been accusing me of taking mixed stands. Show me the “mixed stands.” That’s all. You come rushing accusing me and then play a moving target jumping from an issue to another. I have been among the few who have not jumped into the sensationalizing game. I see things as they are not as I would like them to be. This is an Eritrean issue, and it has to be solved by Eritreans, no gimmicks no short cuts. If you can’t win Eritreans, you have no legitimacy to even think governing them. I do mistakes in not qualifying my accusations where I attacked the “Opposition” in general. I have gotten criticizing gestures from Gadi, and I want to be careful. Let me be clear, there are genuine fighters, opposition organizations who are self-respecting Eritreans who would not depend on the appeasement of Ethiopia. Organizations and entities which recognize what I am talking about. They recognize that they have to win the trust of the people. They are doing it inside and outside the country. Kudos to them, and I belong to them. It’s a fight of ideas more than it’s a fight using arms. Your open calls for Ethiopia to remain in occupied Eritrean lands; your statements and the statements of your batch that Ethiopia (the occupying force) will somehow turn into angel once PFDJ is gone attest to your empty bravado which is driven by grudges of 1980s. Anyone can see that you always fall to this ailment, including today. You are accusing me of defending PFDJ just because I belonged to its precursor. I don’t expect justice from such attitude and it’s my responsibility to tell you not everyone who cries justice is just. In addition, you can’t tell me you struggled for democracy more than others; you can’t tell me you care about Eritrea and its people more than others. You can’t tell me PFDJ hurt you more than others. I’m talking personally about you not the opposition. Don’t pose as representative of the opposition.
            It’s funny when you act as the ticket man, putting yourself as a “democracy fighter” while others, who you have not done more than they have done, as sympathizers of PFDJ.
            So, let’s knock off this condescending attitude. I fight injustice the way I see it just. That doesn’t include blurring the significance of causes thousands gave their lives for. No. Our difference is clear: You depend on Ethiopia; I say “That’s not right, depend on the potential of your people. And in order to do that stand with your people on issues your people consider important.” I said that time and again, no recollection of it? By the way that includes the dumping of the constitution where you joined PFDJ in its murdering. Do you remember that?
            As far as PFDJ is concerned: here is my stand just for those who missed it or forgot it:
            I remember twice stating this, and here I restate it:
            a/ Dismantle PFDJ’s cumulated disastrous policies, laws, infrastructures not directly related to state infrastructure (political economic…); basically neutralize it as a functional political organ (That’s tes software analogy)
            b/ weed out criminals and corrupted individuals and their networks (including intelligence and security apparatus formed for the sole purpose of eliminating voices of change (includes spies who have been foot soldiers of this repressive party); bring them to justice.
            c/ Rehabilitate state organs and position them towards reflecting new era.
            * There was debates on transition and the nature and structure of future government; topics that would need revision in the constitution if forces which want to pick it up as a transitional constitution become the spearhead of the change agent. I have clearly stated my views. Those views still remain mine. Remember the above?
            ** I still believe the bulk of PFDJ is full of good people who could do the heavy lifting if the diaspora plays it smart in communicating with them in a way that’s far from collectively condemning them. They include hardworking doctors…engineers…teachers…mothers…fathers…and so on. Do you remember this line? Have I changed?
            PFDJ members, or members who have historically been tied with it paid heavily for the sake of justice more than any other organization. It’s a fact. My friend AH obsession with the terms “system” and “institution” apart, PFDJ is tightly controlled by a very small clique. The majority rest is doing the fight against injustice in its own way and methods. For any one who want to see, it’s out there. Who are the majority of the people hauled to prison? Why are they incarcerated? Isn’t it because they acted or voiced in a way not in line with the regime; some of them taking concrete actions? This is not new. Since I joined this forum, I have been advancing this line: Let’s us use methods that enhance a united front. You remember that?
            Alas, can you answer the question I posed in my introduction?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday, you didn’t change anything you just add more on it.so there is nothing to discuss any more. I see you the same and you can continue to see the way you want as there is no solution.

            you didn’t only mix the stand but you even mix it with other subjects. you try to victimize me which is very difficult for you (everyne can see and you can see it yourself). you try to bring PFDJ members as if they are important.-trying to pull me to different subject. you use outdated style to make yourself for all and separating me from all. above all, you even go personal –

            I wish you know more about me and I know more about you. Hopefully day will not be far and we will see each other. you remain respected and hopefully somehow we will find common ground and join in one. and let’s close the debate here as there is nothing useful if we go further.bye !

            Sorry I forgot, to say THERE IS NO FREEDOM HIGHER THAN DEMOCRACY !

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kokebay,
            Please don’t cry foul. Show me where I did “ዘርባዕ፡ ላንጋላንጋ፡ mixed stands”; it’s easy just show that to the reader no more bragging and self-marketing. Let’s stop it there. Show them or you are not credible as far as I am concerned. I have had a respect for you, all along despite our differing views. But this is about character, and character is important to me. You keep repeating the same allegation while evading the challenge to show the occurrence of those accusations in the first place. That’s why I say “you expect justice from justice minded people.” Do the just thing and it’s over: show me. Again I am talking to you not to the “opposition.”
            Democracy: means to equitable sharing of powers between rulers and the ruled, a good start to guard your liberty or freedom (it’s a mechanism); democracy by itself is does not guarantee you freedom. Freedom needs the will and physical preparation to die for it. It needs a will to dump a political organization you grew up with when that organization turns into monster or its ideals get hijacked. I did both. I am sorry, I don’t like big talks and self-aggrandizements, but you have no idea to dump an organization spent your youth with. That takes the will to fight for what is right.
            Liberty: That’s the ultimate goal. If citizens are empowered to keep government’s outreaches at bay; when citizens breathe and live on the ideal that they should be the owners of their destiny, they can utilize guarantees embedded in their constitution to fight of governing body’s encroachment on their domain of freedom; they revise and renew constitution to even get more free….
            Therefore, my friend you got it upside down. democracy is not higher than freedom; they are completely different concepts. Democracy is a mechanism while freedom is the ultimate ideal.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Mahmuday & Kokhobay,

            When your engagement becomes confrontational, loosen it before it goes to personal. Check always when and where the limit of the exchange should be. If it goes beyond the limit, it doesn’t add any value to the common engagement. just brotherly advice.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Emma
            I understand you Emma, and I assure you, honesty is very important to me. When you are accused publicly the way I am accused it’s just an act of justice to settle it publicly. I may comment on someone’s political views, that’s fair. But personal character attack is not. I have no bad feeling towards kokebay, but it’s within the limit to ask him to prove what he said. It is up to him to prove it or recant it, or even go without replying to my challenge which would mean bad for his character.

          • tes

            Dear Kokhobay,

            What happened? I think you are not the usual Kokhobay. You both can approach in much wiser way. I call you to refrain from conclusions. I call you to be in your yesterday’s Kokhobn the one that we know, the one that is very far from personal accusations.

            On the political side, it will be good if the temperature gets high. We benefit from the friction as understanding and new and upgraded level of conscuousness is added to the forumers. Just a friendly advice.

            @Mahmuday, I appreciate you for trying to avoid personal level argumets that are not really meant to describe the reality (the truth). But I just call you to keep it cool and go forward.
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Tes,
            Partly it’s SGJ fault. He took away jabena where we read the best of kokobay. I assure you I will reclaim my coolness.

          • Saleh Johar

            Mahmoud, please don’t make public statements unless you are very sure. How do you know it is my fault? Besides, Jebena is still there on the forntpage!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ato kbur wo Hfoor, Ustaz SGJ
            It’s a Sunday dardasha, but well noted and accepted.

          • Kokhob Selam

            why even mention Jebena here?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            KS
            I will forget about the challenge brother. I extend my hand for a long Tigre greetings. Just because I have a “special rapport” with nitrickay doesn’t mean I could not have that same respectful conversation with Gual Adem, TK…and those guys (horizon and Amde. .
            ), and of course, my toothless-good-for-nothing bad friend Semere. ..that should show you I focus on the topic at hand not on aligning here and there, because I’m not running for political office, or for the victory of a certain patty. I’m extremely independent – minded person, that could be misconstrued as changing gears. The topics of interest of the forum change rapidly, and with that, the way we see things may vary in terms of orientation and scope. I will remain guarding my independence. Let’s enhance each other’s ideas where those ideas intersect, and refrain from going personal where we don’t agree.
            Regards.

          • Kokhob Selam

            brother tes, I am the same Kokhob. if you only read what I said the first day on this post and see what Mahmuday has said you will notice the secrete behind. I only said, the way out is removing PFDJ to solve our problem but read what he said. I hate when someone stands in two totally opposite sides. and Mohmuday is one of the most intelligent Eritreans, if he is just ordinary man I could just forget about it. please read it his style is very very bad. read it and you will notice. the personal level arguments didn’t come from me it starts from him and it ends the same.

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob,

            It is good that all what you responded is because of the honor you have on him. Just keep that way. I read his lines as usual I see something that I am not comfortable with but you both can do it in much wiser way and we can benefit all. And if you believe that Mahmud is upto the standard you valued him, let’s consider that approaching method is the only way we have to bring together as you two do things with full consciousness.

            Can I say this to selam or Nitricc? Just imagine.

            With all respect

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            allow me to say thank you before he say it. I enjoy your post. I have been told by my master “don’t forget to say thank you when you are suppose to say”

          • Kokhob Selam

            “መታን ኣብ ማይ ክትበጽሕ፡ ናብ ማይ ዘብጽሕ ኣገባብ ወይ መገዲ ተኸተል። ኣብ ማይ ዘብጸሓካ ኢትዮጵያ ዘይኮነትስ ህዝብኻ እዩ። ከምዚ ዝዓይነቱ ግድይለሽ ኣዘራርባ ናብ ማይ ኣየብጽሕን።” was his post. this is personal attack he made watch it. and this is PFDJ style.

          • Nitricc

            ” ሕጂ ኮ ማሕሙዳይ ከተነጽሮ ዘለካ ጉዳይ ኣሎ : ጉዳይ ባድመ ኣብ ህልውና ህግደፍ ክፍታሕ ይኽእል ድዩ ? ተፈቲሑ ኣይተፈቲሑ ኸ እንታይ ትርጉም ኣለው ሃገር ንባዕላ እንተሞይታ ? say it clearly please.”

            how are those two connected? I think too much khat is doing it job. try to deferentiot between the two. PFDJ will be gone tomorrow and the issue of Badime, never. think before you open your mouth.

          • teweldino

            Hi Mahmud,

            Thanks for taking time to reply. I have similar reading regarding the likelihood of resolution in the near future. I don’t think the border problem will be resolved while the current senior government officials of both organizations are in power / able to influence decisions. Therefore, I think it would be rational for Eritrean’s to work towards putting their house in order by removing the personalities who are impeding resolution on the Eritrean side and enable Eritreans to lead normal life.

            I am not that gloomy on having unresolved border conflict. It is actually the norm (than the exception) in international politics to have disputed and / or demarcated borders. Look at the list of territorial disputes on the link below. You will see more than half of African countries with some sort of border disputes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

            Many countries have managed to work closely while they have unresolved territorial claims and they have succeeded in not escalating their dispute into military conflict. Meles and Isayas have said on different occasions that the 1998-2000 conflict was more about other economic, trade and monetary disagreements than pure border disagreement. Sudan and Egypt have longstanding territorial dispute over Halayeb Triangle but no one is worried that it will lead to military conflict.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Semere,

            They don’t even read what I wrote after the verdict was given by the EEBC. So we have to tell our position every time that a new member have joined this forum. Very disgusting attitudes and will never evolve to a decent and civilized engagement. I am not here to show my stand about the border issue for every new student in this forum. They have to go to awate and asmarino-wayback files, and find themselves my position about it. They don’t evolve their way of thinking and the prospects of their worldview – a world view of mental model of reality, even with changes of time and circumstances, the dynamics of geopolitics of the horn, and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. These people become the “prison of border mentality” while our people are strangulated by the security apparatus of PFDJ.

            Look Semere, when the countries in the horn are heading and strategizing for economic and defense integration, they are talking about the border issue which could be resolved by changes of governments. Tell them the Issayas government is incapable to resolve the border issue. And ask them to be the alternative to the ignominious governance of Issayas and his party – if they have anything worth fighting at this stage of our history. While they are limited within the confines of nationalism, others are marching with economic development and fighting to eradicate poverty. The Eritrean sovereignty is reality even by those who consider them archenemy. They have learned from their past and opted a different political discourse. They theory that Ethiopian can’t live without Eritrea has became a “bye gone theory of the past” in the psychic of Ethiopian mentality. Thanks to Meles and his EPRDF party to change the discourse of Ethiopian history to the reality we are witnessing on the ground. Let us swallow our reality and change the discourse of our history for the good where the young generation will live in peace and tranquility with our neighbors. That is the challenge of our time. We can’t live crying on past history, instead let us be flexible with change of time and circumstances, and bring a compatible platform that rally all of us and transform our nation.

          • Kokhob Selam

            PFDJ has occupied my land and are killing my people. the entire nation is under cruel group called himself PFDJ. I don’t have legal administration to ask about Badme. I am even afraid that the world will condemn the nation as nation and I think the first to do is remove PFDJ. in fact I prefer Badme to stay under Ethiopians as there is legal way to return is back. in brief I prefer to remove cancerous cell in my body than arguing for the land my brother took as I can get it back if I am alive.

          • operation sunset

            Ethiopian prime minister, Meles Zenawi, told the Ethiopian parliament that while the commission’s findings were “illegal and unjust”, Ethiopia had decided that peace was more important to the country.

            He said, however, that Ethiopia’s acceptance of the commission’s decision did not mean it would cede any territory.

            Mr Meles said his government would start dialogue immediately with Eritrea with a view to implementing the commission’s ruling in a “manner consistent with the promotion of sustainable peace and brotherly ties between the two peoples”.

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            The two countries have had little contact since the peace deal in 2000. But today Mr Meles said talks would be part of a five-point plan Ethiopia wants to implement so it can concentrate on its priorities of “development and good governance”.

          • selam

            When is today ? , meles is dead and you can never ever find any thing except the skeleton that was bruned by Whisky. Mesle is enemy of the eritrean people not less than IA.

            I would left them(meles and IA) both in sahara with 10dl water that would be fun to watch from air .

          • operation sunset

            your silly trenche set of Mind can’t see more than your nose… the late skeleton his ideas,roadmap,5 point peace plan And his spirit… still bleeding your trenches digger ceo. The digger is dead a live he is look like a live but his ideas and belief is dead the late buried him 15 years ago in operation sunset…

          • operation sunset

            The Great late PMMZ ዳርጋ ዘይሞተ
            He is not passed away he is a live.His skeleton body still bleeding your trenches CEO. PMMZ his ideas,beliefs,spirit,5 point peace plan. your TD (Trenches Digger) architect dead a live ብጠጦዉ ዝሞተ. He can’t do anything except swallowing below the Great PMMZ 5 points. Just from reminding for His brilliant world class mind. Leading and bleeding 5 points
            1. Resolve the dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea only and only through peaceful means

            2. Resolve the Root Causes of the Conflict Through Dialogue With the View to Normalizing Relations Between the Two Countries

            3. Ethiopia Accepts, in Principle, the Ethiopia-Eritrea Boundary Commission Decision

            4. Ethiopia Agrees to Pay Its Dues to The Ethiopia-Eritrea Boundary Commission and to Appoint Field Liaison Officers

            5. Start Dialogue Immediately with the view to implementing the Ethiopia-Eritrea Boundary Commission’s decision in a manner consistent with the Promotion or Sustainable Peace and Brotherly Ties between the Two Peoples

          • Semere Andom

            That is too stupid because it is not dire. It has nothing to do with our situation. But they (TPLF) should leave and there should no be issue for your government to negotiate with them and then tell us if TPLF is up to no good by demanding Asseb. PFDJ is he problem for everything that is problematic in Eritrea, no one else, but also people like with one dimensional issue like you. But yes I said in this forum,they should withdraw

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Gheteb,

            I have stated “idiot” and “moron” is an insult. I have sent a general message to stop insults and demeaning words in our debate in this forum. Otherwise who said what, and who should be reprimanded, is strictly the prerogative of the moderators or the awate team. I know my limits, and I interact within my limits humbly and honestly to my utmost ability. My friend you could only accuse me or praise me by what I do here with respect and equanimity. I respect the views of everyone who participate here even if I found them opposite to my view. I know the rule of a debate and I abide by that.

          • Gherhi

            Dear Mr. Hidrat,

            This is a noble statement:

            “An insult is an insult, and I uttered against it more than any body for years.”

            But if we compare one insult with another or if we state how so bad one insult is, then we get into a slippery road because what is a bad insult for one person is no big deal for someone else. To me, the word I used (shillu), as an example, has an element of cuteness to it. You see, it is a matter of perspective. And I didn’t not mean it in any demeaning way towards Selam. I called her PFDJ junkie too. If you are a sensitive Eritrean, that is a much much worse insult. You call me anything, I don’t really care but you associate me with PFDJ, that causes me to lose sleep. So let’s put things into perspective and not blow one simple word out of proportion. Again, I didn’t mean it in a gender demeaning way not by any stretch. That is completely against what I stand for. But if it is taken as an insult in one form or another, then I take it back and apologies to Selam. But for your information, she cried foul for a very good reason. She is her to sabotage the conversations and turn us against each other. If anyone believes for one second that she is not a PFDJ messenger, then they need to go back to school and teach themselves to read patterns, trends, similarities, talking points, etc. She is a true PFDJ.

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb,

            What is all this talk?! You could take up the offer or decline. Emma meant a constructive debate. Obviously, he was over-expecting. But why do have to reprimand some one who thought of you as a good debater?

            Now quick points: (focus on 1)

            2) I don’t need any gender allowance to pay you in kind, be it discussion, kickboxing or racing. Do not come speaking wide and loud like an empty barrel. That was IA 1998 summer before he was depleted to his miniaturized ego. And respecting women is not a bad thing. Respecting female compatriots is a modern culture that signals sophistication, civilization. That is because women tend to be more CIVILIZED, caring, tender and, unabusive.

            1) Why are you making this “abessinian fundamentalism” your catch phrase here? What does it mean as a concept and as a function? Why are you presenting me as an a”abessinian fundamentalist”?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Listen, and I hope this should serve you as lesson you will never forget.
            1) Before you get your hopes up, let me tell you frankly that I don’t want to “debate” you simply because you are not in my league. Sorry, blame it on yourself or others like your “cyber-chaperon” Amanuel, for having pumped you up with this inflated sense of yourself. “Seeing what I saw” and having read your comments, I have to tell you that you have a long, long, long way before even entertaining the thought of being in the same debating level with me. No, I won’t debase myself like that and go ahead and say that I am a male chauvinist. You can play the gender card till the cows come home!
            2) I told you before and I will repeat it again. I don’t want to know anything about you. Do you get that? Don’t tell me you are nice or not or this and that. Simply, I don’t give a HOOT!
            3) You don’t know what Occam’s Razor is and here you go accusing me of using my crazy razor to cut you to size. I have used it as ‘Gheteb’s Razor ( with apologies to Occam), if you need any reminder. The point is it took you no time to play your favorite card: GUILT TRIPPING. There, you see that was what I was talking about all along. Now is it dawning in you that you are NOWHERE near where I am in terms of communication, depth and understanding of issue. Yes, if I am at the top rung of a ladder, you are not even in the bottom ladder; you are not even close to the ladder.
            4) You seem not to know what “Abessinian fundamentalism” means. Let me hasten to let you know that because you are using a Muslim name here, I am not talking about any religious fundamentalism here. It is something else, but alas you are asking me to explain to you what it means. You want me to spoon feed you. NO, I won’t do that. Or do you somehow feel you are ‘ the daughter of eye candy” — Gual Ayni MeAr—. Here again the disparity between us is conspicuously obvious. Yes, you are more than welcome to call me not only a male-chauvinist but “this half-baked guy” whatever that means.
            5) You have said that “women tend to be CIVILIZED…..”. I don’t know about that and I won’t say more as this is not a Women Studies Department in a university. But I have come to a conclusion you, Hayat Adem, are NOT civilized. You are on record stating that the terms “idiot” and “moron” are not offensive and Selam should not apologize. Here you see how you have indubitably confirmed that you are NOT civilized. Do you expect me to debate an uncivilized person like you. My answer is a resounding NO! But I know what you are up to with Selam. Go ahead and try to score some brownie points while affirming your sisterly solidarity and thereby making some gender statement. From where I sit, I only see a NOT civilized person (Hayat Adem) getting with a foul-mouthed person (Selam). No surprise there and you are free to say that “I am bragging and saying that I am holding to my grounds and I don’t want to apaoligize”.
            6) However, you should expect a withering rebuttal whenever you are going to venture and blow the trumpets as the “sibyl” of civil war in Eritrea or beating the drums of war from me. But, again you should never consider that I am debating you. I will be eviscerating your claims to smithereens. That is all!

          • Hayat Adem

            You don’t want to debate me and I say it is understandable. Who will blame you if you want a safe exit that lets you go without a bleeding nose and bruises everywhere. You are better than IA on calculating the risks involved. Good decision.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Here you are the ‘CIVILIZED’ person uttering your ‘CIVILIZED” terms when you said “… let you go without a bleeding nose and bruises everywhere.” I did not know that you were going to beat me up so bad that I will end up with “a bleeding nose” and “bruises everywhere”. I had no idea you are that violent, but I have to admit that you have ‘really sacred the bejesus out of me’. Great job Hayat the “CIVILIZED, caring and ”” unabusive””. Way to go, you couldn’t have proven my points more eloquently. Thank you!

          • Hayat Adem

            Trust me Gheteb, you should be the happiest person to let it go this time. I don’t talk soft with chest-beating, razor-happy people who who have no better plan than shaving my hair.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Why should I feel happy? Is that because you are not ” talking tough”? Does that mean that after you beat me up so bad that that I end up with ” a bloody nose and bruises everywhere, are you also going to “talk tough” to me? Does that mean that you will be calling me an idiot and moron? If you do that Hayat, you will be cited in the Oxford dictionary for providing a great example of “adding INSULTS to INJURIES!

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb!
            Please don’t interact with the Dedebit grad. Look what she did to Haile-TG. She is so tough, she made Haile-TG to disappear. Lol I tell you though a Dedebit is always a Dedebit. This woman/man or both, named Hayat has no shame. Imagine Haile to disappear from this great forum who contributed greatly just disappeared because he couldn’t deal and debate with the Dedebit grad! lol; talk about a joke. What is funny at the same time sad is she thinks she got it all and worst because of the likes of Aman-H and toothless Semere kiss her behind thinks she is fooling the rest of us. Dedebit take it easy; you are embolden by some dishonest Eritreans to deceive and brag. You can’t tie Haile TG’s shoes let alone to debate with him. Dedebit I wish you know what we think of you.

          • operation sunset

            what kind of mentality do you have. the trenche converters will vacate the land just by demanding this and that, you have to pay the bitter price we will never allow you without any normalization but አካፋን ኣካፋ ካላልከው ኣይገባውም ሽዓቢያን ከም ተመን ርዕስ ርዕሱ እንተዘይቀንሰልካዯ ከም ዘመቻ ፀሃይ ኣራርቦ they never listen, for me I am not surprised. if you remember their 1000 km trenches no body will expect peace from hamasenai trenches diggers

          • ‘Gheteb

            Nitricc,
            Man, I can’t stop laughing. Thanks! I really needed that. I am so ‘scared’ even more because now Hayat is saying that she is not going “to talk soft”. I guess that means Hayat is going to “talk tough”. This is after Hayat’s plan to beat me up so bad that I will end up with ” a bleeding nose” and “bruises everywhere”.
            You are right this person who goes by the name Hayat, as you said it Nitricc, is ” emboldened by some DISHONEST Eritreans…..” . How so,so,so, TRUE!

          • Gherhi

            My theory is that Hayat is at least half-Tigrayan and also married to an Ethiopian. What are all the possibilities:

            1. Full Eritrean single

            2. Full Ethiopian single

            3. Half Eritrean/half Ethiopian married to an Ethiopian

            4. Half Eritrean/half Ethiopian married to an Eritrean

            5. Full Eritrean married to an Ethiopian

            6. Full Ethiopian married to an Eritrean

            Number 3 seems the most likely scenario and number 6 close second and number 2 close third.

  • sarah ogbay

    Dear Ali Salim,
    ‘The second source of weaknesses is operational, primarily caused by “the lack of cohesion and unity of its political and civic forcesexposed its land … to great perils and its history to … distortion. The proposed solution: lowlanders are “called upon torescue it from its current state of dormancy … to reclaim its usurped rights. The document recognizes the magnitude of the challenge especially with the “chauvinistic regime … [and] opposition elements … aiming to demote and belittle the lowlands.’
    When you quote whoever you are quoting or wherever you are quoting from it is very dangerous and confusing to select only the words that you want to and create only the senteces and meanings you want to get across.
    In such aforum you have to be very careful not to create wrong or negative understandings that could have unecessary consequence which is not the intended meaning of the original text.
    Secondly, ELL should include any one from the lowland, Moslem or Christians, and Eritrean highlands should include anyone from highland, Moslem or Christian, of course unless lowland and highland are used as synonyms to Moslem and Christian. I am wondering why you regret the jeberti are not included in the ELL.
    It would bring a better understanding if you could simply post the documents you mention.
    And by the way, you do speak for ELL. Your writing style and your diction say it all. But it is you right to do so.

  • selam

    Hi mohammed
    Is there any chance ethnicity will help some groups in Eritrea in their economic or politically life ? can they get any thing useful to their so called ethnicity. i mean what is the big deal if you have a democratic state in which the law of the land serve every body equally. As we all know capitalism does not care which ethnic group you came from.

    Can Tigrina and Tigre be blamed for the grievances lets say to our brothers jeberti and kunama and the other small groups have ?

    The reason i am asking is that , i can not see the importance of picking one group in a constitutional state.

    • Kokhob Selam

      actually it is simple. Just erase the idea of owning others. you can do better ,live better, an enjoy life better by uniting and solving man med and natural problems than becoming busy fighting to control others, that is all. I can say it better in our language ወናነት – ኣብ መዓንጠኦም ዝተቆጽረ ሰባት ኣብ ዘይተደላይ ረብሻ ይነብሩን ድሕሪት ይተርፉን :ሒዞምኻ ይወርዱን ::

  • destaa

    After reading this post, what came to my mind is the Meles Zenawi conversation with Paul Henze. Meles said that He is keenly aware, of the potential divisions within the Eritrean population which are likely to surface as soon as the fight against the Derg is won.

    This is his interview which I find it interesting for those young ones like me who did not read it before

    http://addisvoice.com/2011/06/paul-henzes-coversations-with-meles-zenawi/

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam destaa,
      .
      Thank you so much for the attachment of the Meles interview. It was very interesting.
      .
      K.H

  • guest

    Mohammad..esayas or christian highlanders HAVE NO BUSINESS in categorizing other people against their wish. Every eritrean group have the right to be a
    separate component or entity under

    their own name.not only jeberties but
    neberas as well can be recognized
    separate entity if they chose so. The reason

    they force those groups to be under the ” tigrinia ” is obvious. Make it the biggest ” bihier” in eritrea where historically, it is Bani Aamer. So being a professor and telling others what group they belong is an esayas regime invention that, supposedly should collapse with the regime. Sadly, he succeeded in creating people with his idiology, even some habeshite centric opposition groups ascribe to his hagemonious phylosophy. A poisonous ingredient for contious domination of one group over the other, God forbid, that could turn bloody.

  • belay

    Dear Moderator, sorry, I know why that happened, I will be careful from now on.thanks.

    Dear Kookob Selam,
    I learned the meaning of Jeberti from a Moslem friend, so I apologise for my ignorance and I am sorry, If i offended a member of Jeberti Ethnic group.
    thanks.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ኣነ ኣብ ዝርዝር ናይ ዚ ጉዳይ ክ ኣቱ ኣይደልን እየ : Lol ,typical PFDJ way of answering questions. sin’t it….

      well, you should google it. go to Jeberty web site read more. for now what I mean is allow people to organize them selves the way they want. don’t monopolize them. don’t force them to be slaved and leave their identity. that is the concept of freedom. Ethiopian ex governments said “there is country called Eritrea” and some Eritreans also join them only to face their fate within short period of time.
      it is the same, it seems simple to ignore others demand but there is high unexpected price when time comes. the way out is accepting people as per their identity and live in harmony.

      ethnic grouping can’t be done under such type of illegal leadership. as you have seen PFDJ didn’t only let Jeberty Suffer. the entire Eritrea is in trouble. you should not expect some one who treats others will give you peace. so it is the transnational body that leads to legal leadership in near future who should see the matter. let the people chose what they want to be called.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    I have a question for Nitrickay
    But before that, thanks Ustaz Ali. As usual brilliantly composed, you raised some of the concerns which linger in my head when this ELL shows up under the subtitles “Strength and weakness” and ” The Trick.” I can guess where you are heading, but with Abu Oulwa, there is no guarantee. Not only that you see reasons which compel (encourage)you to pause, think and make appropriate turns, but also you lay down compelling arguments in order to show why your current position is about the rightest one. That’s with regard to your hinting that ELL could be the last landing spot. That is my byway of saying ” Ahlan wo sahlan” spiced up with some mahmuday chew berbere.
    I look forward to reading your next installment before opining for or against your take. As far as the ELL is concerned, I forward the following questions to the one and only one Nitrickay.
    a/ ELL is an expression of the current organized opposition’s failure to answer such questions as the ones raised by ELL (MOST founding members are known to have had active roles within the organized opposition and affiliated civic “associations”).
    b/The organized opposition has program (s) which deal(s) with such concerns and is able to deliver on them. However, few Habesha centered vocal members have made it appear to be controlled by highland-centered voices, therefore, a counterbalancing ELL is the answer to get them to think twice ሰጥ ለበጥ ክብሉ by drawing the last card of ” Get serious or we could be equally callous.”
    c. Both A and B, which should be an indicator for enthused justice fighters to help them in pruning the crowded organizations/parties; use this phenomena as a litmus test in choosing those organized political parties/fronts which have been effective in putting their priorities in order (advancing national democratic programs which could answer similar grievances) over those which have groups and individuals contained in them floating ideas that democratic Eritrea should answer before making a headway in creating that democratic Eritrea, basically, putting the cart before the horse.
    But my question is this: If our opposition could not accommodate these types of grievances what makes it different than PFDJ, or ELL is a creation of opportunist elements who have not tried to push their agenda through the existing programs of the current opposition? Have not Jihadists, federalists, ethnic organizations…which make the bulk of Ethiopia-based opposition established their political programs rectifying these types of “absenting and marginalizing”?
    As once Saleh Gadi stated in his “Topography..” article, there is no question that there exist social grievances. However, the opposition is supposed to be the anti-thesis of PFDJ which beats on Hade Libi; thus be able to accommodate these grievances in its programs. My humble observation reminds me that the programs of many opposition organizations, at least, in its written form, address these and similar other grievances. Therefore, the establishment of ELL could either be due to the fact that those organizations have no will or capacity to address/advance their written programs, or the establishment of ELL is unnecessary, to say the least.

    • Nitricc

      Mahmuday; it is very interesting and very honest question. And let me share my thoughts right or wrong. I am not even going to mention the importance of national service and its impact on young lives. So, I will just try in general sense and its application.
      I say this not reading books or citing any references but just how I see it. I do believe the major ills of society are the ambiguity of roles in duty versus right; right versus privilege.
      The rights and the privileges could depend who comes to power and what the system is but duty is constant. Because when the duty fulfilled; then right and privilege will follow.
      As we all know, we have a very small country with very strategic location and it will take every once duty to insure the survival and the existence of this nation. If we intend to level the playing ground the gap that exists between our ethnic line, then duty can not be omitted under religion, believe and culture; no matter who is the power. For instance; we can vote any one we want in the USA and whoever we elect; he/she may give a privilege in here and a privilege in there; a right in here and a right in there to some groups or persons but he/she will never save us from paying our taxes; because it is a duty of every responsible citizens.
      So, in dispensing our duty; it should not matter who comes to power. So, we can change and use different frying pans but still the flame should keep burning.
      Mahmuday; I don’t know if makes sense but that is sort of I am thinking.

  • selam

    There is a separation happening among us (Eriteean people). Those of us that are “awake” / becoming “awake” are slowing and quietly moving away from the rest who insist on remaining asleep.

    These who are idle in between could care less, about me (selam) , because first of all i am crazy girl with no brain for collecting grain , i am being satirical to some in this forum.

    This disjointedness, which I simply call disease, will either stop just in time for the revolution to begin or it will hinder us in our struggle and that freak me out and run like horse and pee like cracked acid container .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Younis H. (AS),

    Welcome back my friend. As usual good reading. Though, I want to hold my appraisal to your writing until you finish your series, I will say this: No one will predict how your turns end. And in every turn, you never stop from giving shocks to your readers to come out from their comfort zones. For that I applaud you. Second not only that you have analytical mind, you are a detailed person in every project you attempt to bring forward. Again good reading.

    Regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Abinet

      Ato Amanuel
      You are absolutely right. Ali Salm is known for giving shack. Last time he was here he shacked me by saying
      ” the best thing for eritrea is the disintegration of ethiopia.” I remember how Haile TG reacted to it . Shacking is understatement.
      Now you , Ato Amanuel, the consensus builder between the two
      “Brotherly ” people, shacked me one more time when I read your appreciation of his analytical and detailed oriented mind. Kudos !

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Abinet,

        First, we must give the credits due to the man, as to his ability to read the reality on the ground, the various subliminal political stimuli below the threshold of consciousness of the social groups of a society, the game of the elites on the social contradictions of the society on the surface of interaction. Besides, he is a well read, eloquent, and articulate to what he wanted to share with his readers. To some he is the “scaring voice” and to others the “alternative voice of the voiceless.” In politics some are good to explain the nature of the problems in a society, and others are good solution formulators to the problems. Younis (AS) is stricktly in the pantheon of the former.

        Abinet, if you follow his writing all the way from the beginning up to now, it is all U-turns to bring to the surface all the social barriers that kept us holding from moving, but are still the common talk in the kitchen tables. I saw myself his intent was and is to talk about our social grievances open in the table. He is one of the unique and provocative individual minds, that generate a breath-taking debate in the landscape of Eritrean politics, and to some extent in the Ethio-Eritrean politics. Though I don’t agree the way he frames his ideas, which you read it obviously in my writings, as an individual, it helped me to frame my ideas on how to address the grievances of our social groups and maintain the equilibrium of the coexistence. Younis Hussien is a unique person who is a straight shooter at the problems that eats the social fabric of our society beneath the surface.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Abinet

          Ato Amanuel
          Thank you for your time.
          I’m
          Lying to you if I say I understood you totally. May be it is my knowledge of the English language.
          If you say Ali Salim is known for U-TURNS and at the Same time if you say he is a straight shooter, my question is what kind of weapons does he use to shoot a U -TURN ? I’m just trying to put a U- TURN and straight shooter in the same sentence. Don’t you think that the more he makes u- turns , the more he stays at the same place? And also, how do you trust such people? How do you know when the last u-turn comes finally?

          • tes

            Dear Abinet,

            Toujours tard meaning always late in French. Understand please the meaning of U-Turn. On the straight shooter, where ever ALi Salim stands, he is right there to shoot straight. He is so confident where he stands and brings what is there straight.

            Is your eye-glass working properly? Need to change pal.

            tes

          • Abinet

            How do you shoot while standing? I thought you kneel down to shoot as an eritrean

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Mr. Tes;
            Why need to mystify the meaning of the term ‘u-turn’. In my understanding it just means having to take a complete change of ideas and reversal of policies, usaually as the result of being challenged. It means that someone is missing principled standpoints. So if you guys are trying to give the author of this article some positive attributes, try some other terms than u-turns.

          • tes

            Dear Abrhama Hanibal,

            The case with U-Turn is that the original idea is not completely abandoned. One can abandon were he was and advocate for the news ideals he wear being completely detached from the past. But in U-Turn, it is only changing direction but with the same energy and ideals hence no misitification.

            tes

          • Abinet

            Tes
            I will never be in a car you are driving. What would you do when the GPS says make a legal U-TURN ? Which direction do you go? Left? Right? Or make a U -TURN?You are confusing even to the GPS. Calculating route…

          • tes

            Abinet,

            Poor old fellow. I know it is very hard to make a radical change when one passes 50. He better prefers just to bend. That is what it is actually. Natural laws dictates.

            tes

          • Abinet

            Hey Tes
            Do me a fever. Write it in English. I don’t understand French.

          • tes

            fever?

          • Abraham Hanibal

            I would refer you to any dictionary that you might come across to have an idea what u-turn means.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abinet,

            Simply in a nutshell, take him as a provocative writer, who brings all the social ills to the surface without fear, if you don’t understand my previous clarification as to who he is and what he is up to. He brought all the problems to the table and it is up to us to sort them out. That is precisely my previous comment was alluding.
            regards,

          • Hayat Adem

            There is this curving bullet that banana-shoots itself in a progressively bending way to bypass a blocking object standing between the shooter and the target. I forgot the title of the movie but Freeman and Jolie starred in it.

  • Ali

    To tes
    what do you men by a principled man? According to your definition Who is a principled man? I guess the one who echo the words of the highlanders. If you are a man of principle do not enforce people not to exercise their right of speech forward ideas what they think is right and organised themselves in any means. Do not feel you are the only responsible citizen. At the same time do not terrorize people calling you are economist by implication you are telling him I know you. Finally I would rather say do not obligate people understand that they have full fledged right to speak what they want.

    • tes

      Dear Ali,

      Take it easy Ali. I don’t mean that much. Ali Salim told us that he is an economist, it is of positive not negative in my view. Grievances are political, social and economical and may be more. Ali Salim par excellence is a well known political thinker ad analyst and by profession he crosses social and economic issue and hence we get a complet man within one.

      As per the principle, it is a kind of recalling. I am not talking of of something that criticize him. he said it by himself in the introduction. Therefore, I am very positive.

      tes

      • Meseret

        The dilemma of the Highlanders/Christians!
        ELL, is a euphemistic name for an organization of muslim eritreans. One has to be an imbecile if he/she can’t see it. So the problem for the “Hilanders/Christians” is where to fit in in this exclusive club.
        As you have seen it in the article, they have some misgivings about not including the “Highland muslims” but not to you guys.
        So all this cautious welcome from the usual culprits in this forum, not to appear offended by the exclusivity of the club is bordering a comedy show. For once, say it is not right to organize by religion or race, for once have balls!
        Not every christian or muslim who is opposing the governemnt is better than the government. The slippery slope you are about to walk, is so dangerous and is a one way street, from which you might not come out. And the sad thing is, you know it but just for tactical reasons you try to appear that you are not concerned.

        I can see why the likes of Ali want to go that route, and I can also see it is not going to take them anywhere. But I don’t see why “Highlanders/Christians” welcome a grouping that excludes them as people.

        Good luck to you all in the endeavor to find the right combination that will open the pandora box and we will see what awaits us there as people.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mesert,

          Unless we want to fool ourselves, this kind of political framing isn’t new to Eritrean politics. It has been since the 1940s. We haven’t found a solution to it. By that I mean as far as there is marginalization in a society by the victor, we should expect all kind of political framing to counter to the “marginalizing power”. In other words, as your name “Meseret” signifies we have to start with good political foundation to hold the social fabric of our society. In our Eritrea it isn’t only we have tyranny of a system but also tyranny of the majority. For some it is a double oppression akin to gender oppression. So to avoid organizing by religion, region, and ethnic, we have to address the marginalization that brought grievances, and consequently to set Eritrea on good footing for peace, stability, and development. To dismiss the reality is simply to live with the problem and its consequences. I am doing this in order to have not a hearing ears but a listening ears.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

        • tes

          Dear Meseret,

          In societal evolution, there are two possible ways.

          One way: From individuals to families, from families communes and from communes to society. A family is self governed and a commune organized. But societies need governer.

          Second way: Once governments are settled, it encourages civic societies to emerge. These civic societies are groups with similar interests. Development of such civic society benefits all.

          This is in a normal behaving society, the ultimate way.

          In our case and especially under PFDJ system

          The first way reached upto a stage of forming government. The society was happy seeing an established government (this was upto 1993).

          Then, the government was hijacked by a brutal PFDJ system. The society searched his government but it became impossible.

          Then the society has a right to re-start his societal groupings. But mind this, it is totally a result of failures. PFDJ system almost disintegrated the society, weakened communities and destroyed families. Then what? Can we talk on highest form of political governance? I don’t think so Meseret.

          When people lose hope and see no future,they come back to cave so are the ELL. ELL is a product of commulative failures. Even those who are playing major roles within the highland, lowland bla bla politics are playing the last option available at hand. And it is only an outcome of failed PFDJ policies plus a failed strategies of opposition camp. ELL then dropped the highest form of societal groupings and starting from scratch to enforce families, communes and societies. They didn’t even touch the political movements.

          As for me, I don’t see ELL as a religious groupings. They know perfectly Eritrean demography. But, the social grievances of people who live in the lowland pumped ELL to be formed.

          What I see ELL is, it will lift the land proclamation of 1994. And It is right to do so. Eritrean struggle for freedom was not to nationalize public property but to give people their property. EPLF even ELF and now PFDJ hijacked the original objective of our armed struggle and followed the Communist/Socialist model of revolutions.

          I believe, Eritrea has a safe exit strategy from the land proclamation of 1994. Economy of Eritrea is potentially strong. ELL should realize that. My politics is based on all types of grievances and humanitarian centered. Humanity is more important to me.

          Other issues, like the Jeberti bla bla, I care less even if Eritrea has more than 100 ethnic groups. I wish also those Nigerians who live alone river Gash got their Ethnic group. What is important for me is, to accept who I am rather than to explain who I am. The more I try to explain myself, the more I find to be a weird person. What I learned within my life is that HUMANITY is the most important.

          Therefore, I encourage people to be themselves, then form families, communities and then societies. It is a big loss to see Eritreans to start from scratch but it is a fate. To do so, it is better than too late.

          Finally, I have a message to ELL, they should learn from Somalia intensively. They will see what a failed society tries to do. But the solution is not to be TOO LOW but to be COURAGEOUS.

          tes

  • Ali

    what do you men by a principled man? According to your definition Who is a principled man? I guess the one who echo the words of the highlanders. If you are a man of principle do not enforce people not to exercise their right of speech forward ideas what they think is right and organised themselves in any means. Do not feel you are the only responsible citizen. At the same time do not terrorize people calling you are economist by implication you are telling him I know you. Finally I would rather say do not obligate people understand that they have full fledged right to speak what they want.

  • tes

    Dear Ali Salim,

    Welcome back. Well now an N-turn but hopefully not an M-turn. Be principled man.

    To the topic, the ELL issue needs a serious analysis. As you said it, if they stay as civic society who advocates the rights of the mentioned people, there is unsanity within it. Some short’comings that I see in today’s Eritrean grievances is that all types of grievances reached to a state of unseparable, almost homogenously mixed. Therefore, as far as ELL comes with sound definition of the grievances that they advocate for and a sound means to solve them at a national level through justifiable means, the course might not lead to a state of utter confusion. The sensitivity test need to be at high calibration.

    We have many good lessons to learn from eastern europe in this regard. I was in Romania last year and I got a chance to make a study case in the Hungarian farm structures (Agricultural make-up) evolution since 1940s, the time during the Soviet Union and then after the fall. After the fall of the communist influenced governers, the agricultural system was number one to be affacted and this is because of the return of nationalized agricultural lands to original owners. In Eritrea, we will not have such serious crises, but because of claimed land ownership, problems could be severe.

    Therefore, ELL, since it a civic society born out of grievances, all types, first and foremost, what he should consider is the potentiality of potential grievances that might be born then after. Within this, the national unity should always be the focal point. And second, the consequences that might arise simultaneously.

    Todayn 80% of our people depend on agriculture and to remove some grievances, there must be a plan to reduce this percentage significantly (less than 20%) within any agenda, be it civic or political, so that the removal of land proclamation 1994 could have very least impact. There are a number of lessons we can learn from former soviet union countries on how they managed to shift man power from agriculture to industry or service provision.

    Ali Salim, as an economist by background, you might have a number of things to say about this. Following discussion to come, I will try to share what I have studied regarding this issue specifically.

    tes

  • Ali

    First I
    would like to appreciate Ali Salim for his effort in

    writing a wonderful script which is capable of manifesting the interest and

    emotion of the lowlanders as opposed to the highlanders. I think the

    idea you present to as particularly the phrase that says ” before anything

    you have to clean your home” that is great then the idea of diversity is

    also very interesting. The HGDF pandits had already destroyed the language,

    culture, religion and social fabric of all of the lowlanders. How is possible

    to have a unified Eritrea by destroying all the values of the different ethnic

    groups living in the lowland. By the way what is the difference between the

    Eritrean highlanders and the Amhara. They have different languages but the same

    psychology that is they do not consider the reality on the ground. They have

    also similarity, the Amhara in Ethiopia assume themselves they are the
    cementing

    fabric for the existence ofEthiopia i.e every Ethiopian
    should speak Ameharic otherwise

    Ethiopia will not exist and every one must also be
    orthodox, every party should organize

    in the name of Ethiopia not in the name of one ethnic
    group. Similar syndrome is

    in the Eritrean highlanders (Kebesa). Historically the highlanders betrayed

    the lowlanders in voting in favor of Ethiopia and they destroyed the strong and

    vengurd Eritrean party together with their Ethiopian partners.

    The other thing that we have to consider is at this point there is no
    strong

    opposition party which includes the different ethnic group so it is important

    to organize ourselves ELL as one important group and as a society which have
    also

    unique problems as compare to the highlanders who are enjoying and exercising
    their

    language, culture and religion. But it is important also to mention that we have

    also common problems like lack of democracy and human right.

    The other thing that I want to mention is why do we ask the

    highlanders if we can organize ourselves in anyway possible. I advise you not

    to exclude any lowlander without his interest. It is a matter of computation

    the highlanders are historically our negative competitors so let use get

    organised and defend ourselves. See the HGDF party which grow up in the humps
    of the

    lowlander is already dominated by the highlanders but during the struggle more

    lowlanders were fighter, messengers, food providers and exposed to Derg

    criminal act. So, let us organize in the name of Eritrean lowlanders excluding

    the highlanders for the time being until we get strong because they may create
    problem

    among the lowlander. Please avoid the highlanders from any membership of the

    Eritrean lowlanders organization at least until it stands by its feet and let

    us have strong relation with Sudan.

    Success to the ELL

  • Abraham Hanibal

    There is no doubt that there are many ethnic, religious and socio-economic grievances in today’s Eritrea under the PFDJ. And, accordingly, those who are at the recieving end of these violations have the right to form organizations to advocate for and find lasting solutions for their grievances. But it is also clear to anyone that in today’s Eritrea, the whole society is victimised by the wrong policies of the PFDJ, though there may be certain differences in the degree of sufferings in different sections of the society. Most of these grievances are the legacy of the centuries long absence of peace, justice , and rule of law, and exacerbated by the current regime.Though we have the right to form various civic organizations, our main focus, time and energy should be spent on tackling the dictatorship- an end of which can address the bulk of the problems. We should rather concentrate our collective efforts in dealing with the dictatorship, and in creating a democratic governance. Let’s put the horse before the cart.

  • guest

    Eritreans in general have been persecutes by this current regime regardless of their religion, ethnicity, or region with VARYING degrees. First, the extra properties and vacant lands were nationalized by Dergue in circa 1975 with an ultimatum of six months for one to build a house in his/ her empty city land or risk loosing it. After 1991, the Sha3biyya regime continued to hold unto the confiscated properties by dergi with a weird pretext that the owners are unable to pay sha3biyyah what they innovated as ” MEHWEY GIBRI” or back tax that goes back all the way from 1975 of nationalization to 1991 when they came as liberators of the people and their properties. Just another scheme of milking eritreans money out of their pockets.
    The declaration of Sha3biyyaa for eritreans lands as government owned gave free hand to the regime operatives grab anyland even a fertile GRATT from the poor farmers, specially of those in KEBABI Asmara and other cities/ towns and and give it to the affluents for ” TIKKAL” business corps. But the worst land grab was conducted by the ” Eritrea Tewellijie” mobs themselves who moved in droves to western lowlands and seized the properties and lands of those landowners displaced by the war and the scortched lowland policy of haile sellassie era as well as the pretext of Italian ” TERRA DOMINALE” land ownership declaration;as the whole region is a no man’s land free for grab by any person from any region. Specially now in a more accelerated move before the regime collapses and the rightly owners return from the refugee camps they lived since as far as 1967 and inwards, and come back to their villages in a peaceful democratic Eritrea.
    you rightly have described the ELL as an

    • guest

      You rightly have described the ELL as a separate civil society organisation within organized political opposition in the diaspora”. Indeed it is.It doesnt have any agenda or aspiration to become a political party or an armed insurrection now or in the future as repeatedly declared by its top leadership; latest declaration by Ustath Hamid Omar Ezzaz and Ustatha Aisha GAAS in a number of lectures and radio interviews they delivered in their current tour to Australia. In fact, many if not most of ELLlites are members of one opposition party or the other.
      iam not a member of that group, but honestly, i see them as a MAHBER of like-minded pals who founded an association ora lobby group to advance their peoples’ and region’s interest in free and democratic eritrea ruled under the law not generals and warlords like sha3biyyah gangs.
      Furthermore, this ELLsociety supports and encourages if any ” marginalized” kebessite deqqebbats would stand up to organise and claim back their grabbed ancestoral GRATT risti, and work to enforce the ” Higgi Endabba” whether in Diesa Midri or Tzilmi, as in most Hamassien or Seraye awrajjas respectively.Same with higgi endabbas of Akkele Guzaay.
      i don’t see this society as a tribal or even a regional seciety in a strict definition; they just don’t appreciate one to encroach into another’s land, specially when the “others” are the most vulnerable and destitute Harestot or Arrabahti Kebti.
      Thank you brother Ali Salim for this well balanced presentation and introduction of ELL and I’ll continue – God Willing – to read your subsequent articles of RAABITAT ABNAA – AL – MUNKHAFADAT.
      God Bless You.

  • Nitricc

    Hey Ali Salim what up? Long time! Nice to see you around. I read your article and it sounds genuine but I will hold for more info about this new organization. Although I am very happy the Lowlanders organized themselves. My question to you for now is; what is the stand of the ELL; when it comes to the Eritrean national military service giving the lowlander’s culture; values, believes and religion? In its point blank form; I am asking does the ELL believe Eritrean women low lenders and Muslims should serve in Eritrean national military service.
    It is very important for me to know the answer.
    Thanks.

    • selam

      It is extremly nice to be organized. But when you try to organize across religious lines or regional lines for political purpose , it is just far far bad than HGDEF. And i hope these who organise through their religion or region fall flat Because they are very bad recipe for democratic process to go smooth.

      Region and religion should just stay away from politics especially for countries like Eritrea.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam, some said you are not in Asmara. you said you can do what you want in Asmara and you are in Asmara. I do agree with you. Telecom is my field and I know very well how you can play it. but take care of your life. we need you.

        here you said “Region and religion should just stay away from politics especially for countries like Eritrea.” that there is no problem in organizing the way people want. Hade liby type of slogan is number one cheating slogan. we want to be transparent and say it right in front. no hidden agendas, only then we can be united. by respecting the difference only comes cooperation. just check your own self, and say it frankly -don’t you love your ethnic group, your religion,your tribe, how do you want to keep going if you don’t organize it. do you sure will get your dignity ? no way. even now we have ethnic groups who didn’t get their position, the end of chauvinism only be when we accept equality and equality can be found by presenting.

        Selam, the old days are over and you need to accept the reality.

        • selam

          I completly agree with all you said especially the the one you said tell what you have and do not hide thing.
          BUT.
          I am just expressing my fear to have too much and do nothing. My idea is why we could not sit and figure out that is all.
          I am born from two ethnic groups , i love all of them . My message was that we could figure out our problem. I just read all the region he mentioned and the ethnic groups he mentioned it just clicked my mind . What if these who are larger ethnic groups have their own and we could not reach in agreement on the current problem we have . It is very difficult to organize across religion and region if you do not have a democratic rules. They are easily exposed to some people with hidden agenda . I have read the analysis of old Yugoslavia today and i find it very very interesting.

        • Tafla

          As long as you cannot answer what the ethnicity of a Highlander convert to Islam or show me a non-jeberty muslim Highlander or tell me what Jeberty stands for (Jeberuna?). It strikes me as nothing other than religious hatred. If there was an excludionary Highlander Christian program like that of the ELL, imagine that outcry. This issue of Andnet, RabiTa, ELF and EPLF has to be dealt with by Historians not Nasty politicians.

        • Rahwa T

          Dear KokHem,

          Could you please answer this question? Assuming that Jebreti is an ethnic group on its own, could you tell me if there is Moslim Tigrigna? I am curious to know about this.

          Thanks,

          RT