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Pandemic and Government Induced Oppression in Dankalia

The home of Eritrean Afar people, in the southern tip of Eritrea bordering the Red sea, Djibouti and Ethiopia, is going through calamities where the basic food has become scarce. The region is historically known as Dankalia though almost two-decades ago it was renamed the Southern Red Sea region by the ruling party of Eritrea.

Traditionally, the Danakil people were seafarers and have been mainly trading across the Red Sea with the Southern Arabia. On the shores, fishing is the main form of subsistence, in addition to the inland mining of salt, which they supplied the surrounding region with camel caravans.

Located in the hottest region of the world, the Danakil Depression is a dry arid land with little vegetation and water sources. Dankalia is a very unhospitable region where temperatures can go up to 55 degree Celsius (130-degree Fahrenheit). However, Dankalia is also has rich mineral deposits, almost all unexploited.

Moreover, in the last few decades the traditional fishing capabilities of the people of Dankalia were severely damaged by the government that has neglected the region which is now suffering from lack of medical care, food shortage and the destruction of its economy. The poor state of the fishing industry illustrates the situation of Dankalia.

Though the country sits over 2335 kilometers of shorelines, including the coastlines of its 350 islands, in 2018 Eritrea harvested a meagre 4300 tons of fish.

The approximately 300,000 population of the region are mostly pastoralist, mainly herding goats and camels. However, due to the emergency steps that the government took under the pretext of fighting the coronavirus pandemic, they are in dire situations. The region lacks basic medical services, shortage of food, and disruption of their poor economy. The tough and brave people who withstood the harsh environment, are being defeated by instability, absence of the rule of law, and oppression.

Furthermore, Assab, the second Eritrean port and the biggest town in the region has been dormant since the 1998 Eritrean-Ethiopian border war. Although the UAE maintains a military base at Assab, the indigenous population of the region have not gained any benefit from its presence.

On May 30, 2020, the Red Sea Afar Human Rights organization (RSAHRO) issued a statement about a tragic situation unfolding  “a tragic situations that lead to risk of starvation threatening lives of citizens across the country.” It accused the Eritrea regime of resorting  “to suppress the people in putting strict means of restrictions isolating citizens by enforcing the policy of ethnic cleansing and forced displacement in continuation of the wide criminal plan to empty the region from its people in order to achieve a policy of demographic change to their land.”

The statement added, “The regime Systematically Starving the local people under the pretext of protecting the population from Covid – 19 where it closed totally all the borders (Land and sea) without taking any precautionary measures.”

Here follows the RSAHRO statement:
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RSAHRO Statement on the tragic situation in the Red Sea Afar region in Eritrea
Red Sea Afar Human Rights organization ( RSAHRO), May 30, 2020

The Red Sea Afar region in Eritrea witnessing a tragic situations that lead to risk of starvation threatening life’s of citizens across the country, as the ruling regime resorted to suppress the people in putting strict means of restrictions isolating citizens by enforcing the policy of ethnic cleansing and forced displacement in continuation of the wide criminal plan to empty the region from its people in order to achieve a policy of demographic change to their land. The regime Systematically Starving the local people under the pretext of protecting the population from Covid – 19 where it closed totally all the borders (Land and sea) without taking any precautionary measures. The effect of this global crisis are making the residents and citizens of the region under a suffocating siege that puts them facing an unknown fate that threatens their lives in this isolated and besieged area by the ruling regime in Asmara.

The Red Sea Afar Human Rights organization monitored the arbitrary measures taken by the Eritrean regime to starve the inhabitants of the Red Sea Afar region in a clear deliberate violation of human rights and a blatant challenge to the principles and charters of the United Nations exposing the citizens to extreme danger. Below are the 10 deliberate violation of the regime which RSAHRO monitored in the last two months :

  1. In the beginning of April, 2020, chiefs and traditional leaders in the region notified the agents of the Eritrean government in sub-regions of (Ghalalo, Dahlak, Buyya, Afambo, Adi,, Tio, Assab and Rehayta), that the risk of starvation threatens the residents and citizens of the entire region as a result of the movement restrictions imposed on them. The notables indicated that food stores are running out without the presence of any alternative sources to provide for their necessary need.
  2. At the end of April 2020 , the Eritrean government emptied hospitals and removed pregnant women, delivered mothers and other patients from (Assab Hospital) and closed most health facilities in the region and left patients facing their fate on their own without taking into account their health conditions. In addition to that government authorities did not provide any preventive materials ( Masks and gloves) or any other first aid in, and no quarantine centers established to accommodate the sick to limit the spread of the virus.
  3. In late April 2020, Military officials of the Emirati forces stationed at the Emirati military base in Assab provided logistical support (food and health equipment), but unfortunately this gesture was rejected by the Eritrean Military generals and the local administration in Assab. It is a known a fact that the government earns millions of dollars in exchange for leasing the strategic port but no benefits or returns for the people of the region is documented so far.
  4. At the end of April , the Eritrean government forces intercepted three convoys of camels carrying foodstuffs for families coming from (Samoti region) on the Ethiopian-Eritrean border and heading to (Buya and meglbu), and they detained those responsible for the convoy and expropriated the food that they were trying to get them to the affected families in their area.
  5. At the beginning of May, the security forces of the Eritrean government intercepted a camel convoy(6)consisting of carrying foodstuffs coming from Djibouti to the region (Pisderu) in the Eritrean- Djiboutian borders.
  6. In the beginning of May 2020, the security forces of the Eritrean government also detained approximately (74 camels) in the Buya area of ​​the Ghalo sub-region, and humiliated citizens and confiscated their property.
  7. In the middle of May, the Eritrean naval forces arrested dozens of citizens who were fishing in the sea to meet the needs of their families and prevented the fishermen from fishing and confiscated their boats in Buri peninsula.
  8. A week before this month, May 2020, the Eritrean authorities continued to cut off the road for citizens to meet their needs, and they intercepted a convoy consisting of (63 camels) coming from the area (Bada – Admaruq) on the Ethiopian-Eritrean border and heading to the (La’in Bada) under sub-zone of Ghalal in the northern province of Red Sea and another convoy consisting of (43 camels) coming from the area of ​​(Hamad Ela) to the area of ​​(Sanda) in the sub-region of Arta’a. The supplies were confiscated and the camels and people were detained in a military center in (Adayto) in the area of ​​the Bada under Ga’lalo sub – region.
  9. After the dictator Isaias Afwerki delivered his annual speech on the occasion of the independence anniversary of Eritrea on May 24, 2020 and he directly conveys threat to Eritrean citizens about covid-19 , in clear contradiction with the announcement of the Eritrean Ministry of Health that declared the country is free of the virus and the recovery of all cases infected with the virus

    Consequently, authorities continued to harass and monitor any movement across the Red Sea and on May 25,they intercepted more than 50 fishing boats and detained and confiscated them in the Buri region in the Naval Transport Center north of Afar Red Sea.

  10. The Eritrean government has also closed all seaports, and Marine resource offices in each of Dahlak, Ga’lalo , Engel, Tio, Eddi, Barasouli, Assab, Rehayta and other coastal areas throughout the region, which put residents and citizens of the region under the threat of starvation.

Moreover, those who live in remote areas(Pastoralists) are living in tragic living conditions and lack any assistance.

Finally, Red Sea Afar Human Rights organization appeals to Eritrean political, human rights and humanitarian organizations, and neighboring countries such as Ethiopia, Djibouti, and regional and international organizations, to take urgent action to fulfill their humanitarian duty to save the people of the Red Sea Afar from the threat of starvation and extend a helping hand to the general Eritrean people.

 

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  • Kokhob Selam

    No Dear Hailat.

    Let us be honest and kind when comes to Ethiopian people and its leaders. I never experience this bad character when I was inside long back, Never heard of the word it self. I first time heard when our leadership in ELF was reading to us the legal book..when I ask about it the fighters told me it natural in Sudan, I really do love Ethiopia and it people as if it is my people. And I am following all the news and everything regarding this lovely nation..

    “If you want to accuse the present PM, please do it objectively and honestly.” Yes dear I am very honest and soon you will know it..Just follow and clear the mind with you ego. Self clearing should everyone work..This is really true when comes to Ethiopia today..

    KS,,

    • Haile S.

      Selam Kokhob,

      You are mixing things. First I never referred to Ethiopian people. I am never disrespectful to them. The “Ethiopian people” has nothing to do here. I don’t understand why you singled it out. The discussion was not on people. You brought the subject yourself in order to accuse the present prime minister. I told you whether such behaviour or other bad behaviours brought by abusive tourists, they exist long time ago. The abuse is condemnable. It is an abuse, a criminal act and has nothing to do with someone whose nature is what it is.
      Please don’t confuse a criminal act committed on children or on adults without consent and for profit from the nature of someone and of what he/she naturally is. If an individual is what he is naturally, that is a different mater, and what he/she is refers to him/her. I see someone different than me in these aspects as a chinese or an eskimo is different than me.

      On the present Ethiopian PM, you can accuse him if having influenza, but don’t accuse him of rabies to precipitate his culling.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Selam Hailat.

        Please cool down, I am certain he enter this problem not the previews governments of Ethiopia. I am sure of that,,Just type the word and search it,,Now if not let it be link will be attached if you are in doubt.Not today but next weekend ..

        I don’t mean to blame you,

        Please understand me. It is just a reality now in this lovely nation..

        KS,,

        • Haile S.

          Kokhob,

          I am as cool as a glacier. There is no other way of replying to you while your opening sentences are very accusatory. I don’t need links videos to be convinced by your accusations on the PM saying every hideous crime came after him because it is like I said “to cull your dog, you accuse it of having Rabies”. Besides you are mixing up crimes, nature and behaviours. I am disgusted by crimes, but not by the later two.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Sorry, Hailat,

            How do you want to know the truth of this criminal man? Tell me, do you have 3rd eye like advanced spiritual men and women ? How can I confirm you provide you evidence? Please open the link I will provide you,,otherwise you will never follow the truth..

            KS,,

          • Haile S.

            Kokhob,

            I am sorry to tell you, I am not interested in your own truth in these aspects. Thanks

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Haile,

            KS,,

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; Ethiopia is the middle of storm and no one knows what the outcome is. Now, I hear there are some religious people going to Mekele to do what? I don’t about you but you can’t lead a nation of 100+ million people with what PMAA is doing. I understand this could mean a justification for what is to come, force. Because PMAA knows the TPLF thugs will not agree with what ever the corrupt religious grope will say. Knowing that may be he ready to bring down the stick. However; if PMAA is doing it this thing for real, then he has no chance and they will eat him alive. In federal system, if one state doesn’t follow the federal government guidelines, the first thing the federal government does is, hold back the budget, not sending a corrupt religious persons. it is a joke. If PMAA has any testicles, all he has to do is withheld the budget and see the TPLF thugs falling one by one. TPLF are cancer to Ethiopia, Eritrea and to the rest of horn Africa.

    • Kaddis

      Nitric hoy –

      I admire your passion for your country so – I will jump the ethio part today –
      I saw this in EU reports debating on funding Eritrea …that the Eritrean government explained …
      ‘they (the Eri gov) are prepared to reform the national service as soon as the conditions allow. They say there are two conditions there must be jobs. There are no jobs currently. If they abolish the national service they have no other opportunities. And don’t forget that majority of the people in the national service get a salary that is bigger that the most ministers in Eritrean government get today.’

      Are you fine with this? Now the young will be conscripted until ‘enough jobs are out there?’ Ere benateh, this made me sad.

      As a guy who lived all my life in the neighborhood – I always say I could be ye Asmara or close by towns dude who might end up in this endless misery; compared to the relative chances Ethiopian young population had the last 27 years… going to universities in hundreds of thousands per year? Even if the country breaks today into civil war we would have a relatively good memory of seeing better days, in school, jobs, farming, stability even under oppression, growing economy and being a normal poor jobless person like many in Africa.
      I think you are just in disbelief your country can sustain this much abnormality ..
      Melkam,

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kaddis,

        The following statement of yours says all about the recent past memory of Ethiopians in comparison to the last three to five years:

        “ Even if the country breaks today into civil war we would have a relatively good memory of seeing better days, in school, jobs, farming, stability even under oppression, growing economy…”.

        Well put and well said. Dear Kaddis leadership with his understandable priorities matters. You had one and I don’t think from the current elites who are in power or not could bring those memories back. One hopes the young generation will eventually learn from it and emulate the fruits of “developmental state.” Sad to see the hopeful Ethiopia in the current scenario.

        Regards

        • Kaddis

          Selam Gash Aman –

          Yeah – its probably our down time in so many directions but there are hopeful days – like today – Sidama become the 10th regional state, against all odds as you guys proudly say. The hope is there is massive mobilization and consciousness about self rule, group right and self identification in this young nation.

          Even if tplf left the nation without any institution to protect itself and the federal structure, the youth seems to understand what was gained and produced its own quality regional leadership that is determined to fight,
          Hope to celebrate with the fired up people of Hawassa in that beautiful city.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kaddis,

            The recognition of Sidama to be one of the “states” is good news. That shows the current federal arrangement will survive recognizing your social groups to have the right to administer themselves under the umbrella of ethnolinguistic federalism. This kind of governance is the prescription for multicultural societies in our modern world. That imbecile man should be removed from the driving wheel of Ethiopian state to have a breathing room for the needed change.

            Regards

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሸዊት ዕፉን ከምጽእ ረኺቡኒ ቅንፍዝ
    ናጽነት ረኺበ ‘ተበልኩ መንጢሉኒ ህግደፍ
    ንጡረታይ ዝሓሰብኩዎ ብ Wall Street ክቕዘፍ
    ‘ሞ መዓስ ደኣየ ዘዕርፍ?

    ዕድለይ ድዩ ዋላስ ሕመቐይ
    ተዓዲሉኒ ድዩ ዘምጻእኩዋ ባዕለይ
    ኣይፈለጥኩን
    ንሓዋሩ ንታይ ከምዝኸውን እንድዕለይ
    ክራገምዶ ምስ ዕድለይ?
    የግዳስ
    ብኮታት መሊኡ ንዘስተውዕለለይ
    ደሓን ኣይትእተዉ በዓል የማነ ህበይ

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Handesa,

      Great,,what a poem?

      “ሸዊት ዕፉን ከምጽእ ረኺቡኒ ቅንፍዝ
      ናጽነት ረኺበ ‘ተበልኩ መንጢሉኒ ህግደፍ
      ንጡረታይ ዝሓሰብኩዎ ብ Wall Street ክቕዘፍ
      ‘ሞ መዓስ ደኣየ ዘዕርፍ?”

      KS,,

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    The Washington examiner has an interesting article about how leaders who won Noble peace prize winners turn to be autocratic leaders and use all kinds of tricks to stay in power including avoiding elections. Here is the article:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democracy-imperiled-in-africa-by-reformers-turned-dictators?
    fbclid=IwAR0mfuPKJOt_8vJNHY5mSljE4Bg-uFWLNcbz4IsRJu0-I5LH1yJwiIceivA

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yes Pro. Aman,

      “In Africa, the trend of reformists becoming dictators has been especially acute.”

      That is true and perfect..Take an example of Dr. Abiy…Ethiopian PM, That is perfect example..I think by now every, Ethiopian should have seen the reality.

      KS..

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        ውስጥህ ሰላም ነው?

    • Kaddis

      Selam Gash Aman –

      Given the global focus on covid, US elections and more, serious articles are starting to appear. Even the Nobel committee had to send out a letter explaining they have never revoked once awarded. It shows the noise made was heard.

      If you follow the news cycle in Ethiopia – journalists are burning out. Just today Wolaita council made a group resignation ( Keria Ibrahim upper house spokes resignation inspired? ..maybe, more to follow?) there is info Sidama finally getting its region council meeting this week, 52 Shemageles, elders going to Meqele to reconcile tplf with PP ( the fact that they are 52 kills the chance to do proper discussion, more of a drama, I wish I am wrong ) …protests in Somali, Somali MPs being hunted in Jigjiga and in Addis for standing against the regional president, oromia killing and protests,, the Dam news ( not as hot on local media as expected ) Somaliland & Farmajo, Abiy etc…

      Is this a media surge by the neo-liberals to make us look the other way? – just today – the council of ministers approved our second commercial law since Abiy came – replacing the one from the Emperors time ( probably still working in Eritrea? ). I dont mind the change but where is the consultation? workers right? small business protection etc…Not even sure if the chamber of commerce was consulted. Every time the media is charged – we see new trade related regulation ( like sell of telecom) approved.
      I truly don’t know if Ethiopia can handle all this volatility now running for 6 years. The horn included.
      cheers,

      • Samuel

        Selam Kaddis,
        የኣብይ መንግስት (PP) ለምን መቐለ ሄዳቹ ተብለው የታሰሩ የፖለቲካ ፓርቲዎች ፣ ኣክቲቭስቶች፣ ጋዜጠኞች እና ግለሰዎች እግዜር ይቅጠራቸው። ዛሬ ግን PP ራሱ ሽማግሌ ወደ መቐለ ልከዋል። Who is the loser now? ሆደ ሰፊነት ነው እንዳይሉኝ።

        Thank,

        • Abi

          Samiti
          The losers are those quarantined at mekele. Why is everything complicated for you?
          Come on Samiti ! I expect a little better from you in the absence of Saul. Try a little bit harder.

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            ማሽላ እያረረ ይስቃል ኣሉ።
            ወንዝ ሲወስድ እያሳሳቀ ነው። ይባል የለ

            እንግዲህ እንዳልክ ይሁንልህ።

            Thank,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            እንደው ያንተ ነገር ምን ይሻለኛል!
            ምነው ያለወትሮህ ፈዘዝክብኝ አያ!
            ወንዙማ እያሳሳቀ ጠርጎ ጠራርጎ መቀሌ ከረቸማቸው እነዚያን ከምድር የከበዱ ሹማምንት:: እንደው ሳያስቡት ደራሽ ነው አሉ ጉድ ያረጋቸው :: አልሰማህም መሰለኝ?
            እንዲያው አንዳንዴም እንኳ ዜና አትከታተልም እንዴ?

            ማሽላስ እያረረ ይስቃል ወዳጄ! አንተ ብቻ የማሽላ አሻሮ ሆነህ ቀረህብኝ እንጂ …

          • Selam Abi,

            I don’t think that it is much of an article to discuss. If you have read his other article on the same subject, it looks like that no one is worth the title. Desmond Tutu, for example, is antisemitic, because he dared to speak about the injustice against the Palestinian people. He has a list of at least ten people who got the NPP and do not deserve it, according to his opionion.
            The point is that digital woyane thinks that it is mana from the sky, when it is about a man they so much hate, pm Abiy. Eritrean digital woyanes have completely forgotten their own nemesis in Asmara, and they are concerned much more with the survival of tplf than the survival of Eritrea, or they see Eritrea through the survival of tplf, whatever that may mean.
            Last time digital woyane was asking for the military to revolt. On the contrary, the military is saying that they better not try to undermine Ethiopia’s peace and stability post the coming September, because it has the responsibility to defend the peace and normalcy of the nation, thus sending a strict message.
            Ethiopia is not the only country that has postponed elections due to covid-19, and none of them have been called dictatorial for this. Those who carried out elections during the Covid-19, had poor participation of voters due to fear of infection, only 36% in the case of Mali. Some parties that are not tplf Trojan horses like olf and ofc, are already speaking of the rationality of the postponement of the elections.
            It is dialectics working here too. New ideas and new people flourish and grow in strength, while old and dilapidated concepts die out gradually. It is their fate.
            Finally, one can say that digital woyane could not have written the article differently.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            የሚያሳዝነው ይህ መለስ የሰረረው የወያኔ አኮርባጅ ደህና ነገር ያገኘ መስሎት የአዋተን posting guideline ወደጎን ትቶ ከበላይ አካል የተላከለትን link በእለተ ሰኞ ማቅረቡ ነው::
            የወያኔ ፍርፋሪ ለቃቃሚዎችም እንደምታየው እንደ ጥንብአንሳ ከያሉበት ተጠራርተው አብይን እየቦጨቁ ነው::
            ሊንክ ለመሰረዝ የሚጣደፈውም የቤቱ አባወራም እንደምታየው ፈቅዷል::

            መለስ ኤርትራን እና ኤርትራውያንን ለማዋረድ ያልፈነቀለው ድንጋይ ያልሸረበው ሴራ የለም:: ይህ የመለስ ስርር ግን visionary leader ይለዋል::
            ኤርትራን የመግደል ራዕይ!

          • Haile S.

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          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            መለስ ኤርትራና ኤርትራውያንን ቦጫጭቆ
            የነበራቸውን ንብረት ኣበላሽቶ ነጥቆ
            የለበሱት ልብስ ኣወላልቆ
            ተዘጋጅቶ ነበር ለማልበስ ራሱ ያዘጋጀው ጥብቆ

            ቪዢነሪ ተብሎ ቪዥን ሊያጠፋ
            ያላሴረው የለም ይሄ የተንኮል ቀልጣፋ

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Haile,

            Are you sure? I don’t think so..that is really

          • Haile S.

            ሰካም ኮኾብ፡

            የሟች ወዳጆች ሲያነሱት በደግነቱ
            የተበደሉት ያነሱታል በሓጥያቱ

            ለምድነው ዝክረ-ሓጥያት መጥፎ ሚቆጠረው?
            የዝክረ-ጽድቅ ሓውልት በዝቶ እኮ ነው
            የኣለም ኣንጀት ኣሁኑ ሚያኮማተረው

            በያገሩ የገዳዩ፡ የባርያ ነጋዴ ሓውልት ሲቦነቆር
            ምንም ኣልወጣንም መጥፎ ድርጊት ከማስታወስ በስተቀር

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Hailat,

            See Hailat, I don’t know if you agree or not..,but it is the Matrix stage to think it is an illusion which is not real,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Please explain a little bit more.
            Thanks

          • Kokhob Selam

            Sir,

            I have a plan to come in my page and say more wider in Jebana page ,,

            I am a bit busy now. But to see brief, I already think as 5D and that will explain to you..It is long journey, it needs to fix your mind and it is a bit difficult journey,,the way out is to think in now,now and now vertically you will come to your brain if you think properly. I will come soon my Jebena page..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ያልከው ገብቶኛል ብዬ አልዋሽህም::
            ለማንኛውም ቡና እየጠጣን እናወጋለን::
            የእጣኑ ጭስ አይኔን ቢከፍትልኝ ብዬ ነው::

          • Kokhob Selam

            OK Abo,

            Let it be and soon..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            When you are hammering PMAA, you are devoid of love. When somebody hammer Meles, you preach love.
            That in my book is called BS.

            Check your response to the devoted Meles worshipper and you know what I’m saying.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ለሞተው ፍቅር
            ላላው መቃብር
            ወይኔ የ Spirit ሚስጢር
            በትግርኛ ይባላል ስግንጢር

          • Abi

            መምህር
            በለው!!
            ድሮም ጥንብአንሳ የሞተ ነው የሚከተለው:: ፍቅሩም ከሞተው ነው::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Lovely Abo,

            Yes, How can you compare those two? The past is gone. Dr.Abiy is alive.

            Now, Meles is not preventing him self..Some one has to be very correct and perfect to judge,,reasonable which is balanced,,Yes Abi I have relatives who were exposed to Meles said crime.. But he had no choice the action taken is reasonable those days..Anyhow let me explain to you in next coming day my dear..Just follow me in Jebena page..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Don’t worry about Meles.
            He has some soulless and blind followers who think he was Visionary.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Abo,

            I am not among those once..Simply I am among who see the reality, among who has no eye to see the opposite side like dark and light..white and black and etc..and then will you mind if so? Do not compare between dead and alive man..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            The difference between you and I is that you see things in 5D. I haven’t developed this potential yet.
            እስቲ ከምታፈላው ቡና ጀባ በለኝ ይገለፅልኝ እንደሁ…

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kokhobay,

            Don’t listen to him. He was “for him before he become against him”. Do you remember when he was preferring dabo before democracy. He knew him that he is leader who was fighting for the poor Ethiopian people to have three meals a day. That is the fact. But he learn lately from some flip flapping in this forum. Abiy will neither give them “dabo” nor will he bring “peace and stability” in the nation. Just count my words.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Pro. Aman,

            I remember that “dabo before democracy” We can go and see how he was talking..Just I ignore that part for some reason..They will never see that kind of leader in near future..This Dr.Abiy is but really artificial..I don’t know why they cannot understand him..

            When I say artificial I mean it,, All the way to his core believe GMO and all things I Will expose him..Brother, are you following the cruel Selomon of his AI explorer? I think, when I say that it is kind of struggle he created it in such very nice nation Ethiopia..Very decent people of this kind,,Now he confused such type of people..

            I think, he will be exposed by his own religious fanatic guys soon..Now if you are following you will see you tube talking about him,,like that Stegay Tedros of Reiyot,,

            KS..

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I’m still for dabo before democracy.
            I’ve always been against
            Nepotism
            Corruption
            ዘረኝነትና የዘር ፖለቲካ
            በሌሎች አገሮች ጉዳይ ጣልቃ ገብነት
            Build the wall !!
            probably I’m the only Ethiopian in this forum to denounce the illegal occupation of Badme by Ethiopia so many years ago. You were waiting for the Ethiopian tanks to get you to Asmara palace. I’m always proud to fight you back!!
            አሁን መለስ የለም

            ታንኩ በኢትዮጵያውያ አየር መንገድ ተቀይሯል ( ከፍለህ መብረር ትችላለህ:: እንደ ድሮ አይከፈልልህም)

            አንተም የለህም! አካልህ እንጂ መንፈስህ ከመለስ ጋር ተቀብሯል!

            DABO FIRST!!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            He brought the topic of “Dabo.”. At first I remember also,

            But if I say so the conversation will be short and closed,,,I am after the 5D explanation,,,which is very interesting.. and you will see the difference of this forged leader when fully will be explained. No but I don’t mean to judge him or any body for that reason..Just to say what is going to be true..in your nation now and in the future..Are you ready? Let us go and you should not be disappointed.

            If find me very spiritual, this warning is for all by the way,,

            KS,,.

          • Selam Amanuel H,
            Unfortunately, you have lost credibility in the eyes of the forumers and every one who knows you, for the sake of a deceitful Ethiopian hatter, mz, a killer and a person who left behind a poisonous legacy for Ethiopia that will be the reason for Ethiopia’s ills and sufferings for the coming century.
            Mz was feeding Ethiopians bullets three times a day and not dabo. The west cared only about stability and not democracy. That was the reason they let him have his way. He invaded Somalia and shed Ethiopian blood for the sake the US, so that no American blood is shed in Somalia for the second time, but poor Ethiopians’. It would have caused major political problem in the USA, if a single American lost his life again in Somalia after the disastrous first invasion.
            Where does your heart really lie, with tplf and greater Tigray or with Eritrea? This is the million dollar question Eritreans should ask you. How is it possible that Eritreans could trust you, when you fight day and night for tplf, a front from which Eritrea is in danger, occupies Eritrean land and plans to create the so called greater Tigray that incorporates Eritrea?
            You have sold your soul to tplf/woyane. It is a pity. How could you fight a lost war on the side of a dead dictator, who created looters and killers, being at the head of the system himself, and you are not ashamed to tell us that he was trying to feed Ethiopians three meals a day, because he used it for political consumption. Find an Ethiopian who will believe you, except tplf/woyane that is using you, and find an Eritrean who will trust you in the future, and it will be nobody.
            Peace and stability under the gun, dictatorship and agazi killing machine, was the result of intimidation, fear and the wish to survive, and not true peace and stability. That was the reason tplf was finally kicked out, and you are trying to resuscitate the dead horse. How different was mz from any African dictator, who had the same result using guns and dark forces, like the agazis?
            Mz was the biggest errand boy for the west, although you accuse Abiy for that.
            At your age, self respect and standing firmly on the right side of history and justice is of paramount importance. Unfortunately you seem to have sold your soul for the sake of a rebel group that destroyed your front, elf, fighting on the side of eplf. That is sort of the Stockholm syndrome.
            You are the last person who should speak about principle. Nobody should have a Faustian contact with anybody as you do. No one should sell his/her soul and self respect to anybody.
            You are waiting for tplf to put you at Asmara palace, because the conspiracy to use Ethiopian tanks has failed. At the end of the day, tplf will damp you and eritreans will not trust you. That is a big shame. Don’t destroy your legacy as a liberation fighter by standing on the wrong side of history, that is not even part of your own history, unless you are a Tigrayan, and you hide it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Horizon,

            Look, I know Pro. Amanuel in Jebha and he is the last person to support TPLF. Just for one reason I think and I am sure of that. See, No one loves for the one that shots bullet against him and me.

            …And this gentle man him and faced it 1980,,See, now you are claiming and blaming him out of nothing. Just out of nothing. You should know his nature by now better. He is man of principle and he had been talking to that Meles and from that time. No crime it committed by PMM.

            Horizon, there is no permanent enemy and permanent friend in politics. Do you see, the matrix world? We are in an illusion..That is why we should decent to 5D

            Abiey is leading you, in temporary by talking sweet words and you can see how many people are suffering by this Illuminati guy..Watch, see the children are facing the homosexuals and women are suffering. see, the 16 students missing…

            Lake Tana is the source of the Blue Nile and is the largest lake in Ethiopia. The weed forms thick mats that cover the open water.The great Nile project is almost going to collapse under this type of government. Negotiating with Egypt while they couldn’t solve the problem Lake Tanna is facing..The weed problem..what are they going to do when weed cause. Isn’t Lake Tana at Risk?

            Meles clearly start to go for this great project and dead unfortunately..He could had manage it..smoothly..The leader was really nice for Ethiopians and for Eritreans too..He accept the national freedom you know..,

            Now, accept my invitation in Jebena Friday morning..

            KS,,

          • Aligaz G

            KS,

            There is a cute saying about Deng Xioping that also describes you well – A needle in a ball of cotton. cheers

          • Hashela

            Selam Kokhob

            What would be this forum without you?
            I agree, let us all focus on the weed problem of Lake Tana! This is least contentious issue.

            Cheers

          • Nitricc

            I agree, let us all focus on the weed problem of Lake Tana

            Hey Hashela; how dare you to say that while the election is postponed, while the constitution is undermined and you talk about weed problem in lake Tanna? lol unfortunately Ethiopians priority is in shambles. for a will be rigged election and fake constitution, Tana has to die. for normal country and government, the government will shut everything out and will go to save the national treasure and life saver, Tanna.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Bro. Hashela,

            Tana is international property..Yet no one take care of this rich water and in fact Blue Nile will not continue with out this precious Lake Tana,,Even Egypt is supposed to work in saving this Lake,,but who cares they are talking nonsense, they talk about now at this very moment..The three countries are suppose to see the subject,

            I don’t know how comes, the young generation of BahirDar already working today in the middle of the lake saying this very urgent case,It is impossible it is like magic ,,we in awate,com are talking,,late but the young is at least trying,

            I am very happy to see that the young are working in the middle of Tana to dismiss the weed, I wish I am participating,,,although that will not be finished by hand. Anyhow we have to do our maximum duty to save this water,,even if we can organize,,,

            KS,,

          • Dear K.S.,
            I know that Bahir Dar and lake Tana are close to your heart. Most probably you dipped in the waters of the lake on hot days to cool yourself when you were a student there. I envy you, because i had never been to Bahir Dar, that beautiful city by the lake, as i see it in pictures. The stroll on the shores of the lake and the beautiful sunset and sunshine may not be easily forgotten, i imagine.
            It could be that climate change may have played a role, I am not sure. Nevertheless, i think that it will be managed and the lake will not be lost.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Brother Harizon,

            It is very attached to my very soul of mine but not only that what about you? I am sure this lake will it be managed and the lake will not be lost. Yes true but we have to move to save it,,With this leadership it will never be saved. Let us do the best to save it,,

            KS

          • Admassie

            Selam Kokhob Selam,

            I am afraid, the problem is not going to disappear easily. I am not sure, but I heard or red somewhere that the cause is related to Mount Guna and the fertilizer farmers use around Fogera area where growing rice is lucrative.

            The issue is, Guna is loosing its forest and during the rainy season it causes flood down to the farm lands all the way to Lake Tana . On its way the flood washes away the fertilizer used by farmers and puts it in to Tana and in a way the fertilizer becomes a sweet mineral for the weed.

            Therefore, taking out the weed, as it has been done and still is being done, alone is not a sustainable remedy. It needs a comprehensive effort of the regional state, the federal government and other stakeholders.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yep Dear Admassie.

            Nice, come with this type of information,,all efforts to be done but is it possible with this type of administration, remains the equation of the day…valid,isn’t it?

            I don’t think, Admassie.

            KS,,

          • Admassie

            Selam Kokhob Selam,

            Well, we wait positively. The PM has said something during his session in the parliament regarding the issue. There is a desperate call from all sides of the society including members of the HR from the Amhara Regional State and Bahir Dar University. The danger is, there is a probability that the problem could expand down to GERD.

            Again, let us wait hoping.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Admassie

            If it was possible we could have seen earlier..We are looking for the solution and with corrupted admin, we don’t see hope..that is few time remaining to this government and it is hopeless.

            Let us see, “let us wait hoping.” How many times? it is just Dr.Abiy is no more PM..

            KS,,

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            In most cases, the dominant cause is eutrophication, meaning increase of plants nutrients in the lake water due to an increased urban input of waste water that is highly enriched in phosphate (PO4), Nitrate (NO3), and micro-nutrients such as dissolved Fe2+, Zn2+, Cu2+, Ni2+ that plants need to grow. This is a direct human factor. The solution is a strict enforcement of laws that abolish the input of untreated waste water from the urban centers.

            In addition to the above, global warming contributes in two ways.
            – warm surface water is thermally expanded and, as as result, it becomes less densier than the deeper water. The result is less mixing between surface and deep water.
            – With the abundance of nutrients water plant flourish in warming climate.

          • Haile S.

            Selam kokhob,

            Obviously, we don’t see eye to eye on Meles & Co. But, I don’t specially agree on the second sentence of your 4th paragraph starting with ‘Watch…’. It is simply wrong, to say the least, unless you present evidence or clarification by what you meant.
            Otherwise, I agree with Hashela on your capacity in shedding fresh air when the class gets too hot. Please keep that side of you.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Haile,

            Watch all Ethiopian out lets,, and this is the most exposed news,,go now and open at this very moment,,randomly open and you will see what is going on,,,all children are in trouble specially at this time when every one is in home,,,even the artists are talking openly like those known once except those members of secret society of Illuminati like Serawit….

            KS..

          • Haile S.

            Kokhob,

            My reply is under quarantine, not because of COVID19, but for calling the spade we are talking about, a spade.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kokhobay,

            It is all lies to accuse me of supporting TPLF. For me supporting the leadership of EPRDF under MZ premiership Is not supporting TPLF. If they think otherwise, it is their wicked perceptions, and I could not help them. But it is all dirty politics of blackmailing. I know that vividly.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            If I understand you better, post Badme Meles may have been more EPRDF than TPLF. Is this your view?

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            MZ was against the war, he voted against the war, he lost EPRDF’s majority vote, thus he had no choice but proceed with the majority vote. This is a well documented fact. After Badme war and TPLF’s split MZ became the sole leader inside EPRDF. Generally EPRDF before 2005 was democratic, after that it has changed a lot.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Sami,

            Let us wait for Amanuel’s response. Clearly your thought process have always been clear. At least to me

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Check out my reply to Kokhobay. I have edited It to add few points Which seemingly agree to his comment about this genius man.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            I have read your added points. The main points of principal for you from an Ethiopian PM are respect of Eritrean sovereignty and party discipline. However the point Horizon and others are trying to make is that PMMZ was also an unapologetic tyrant and antidemocratic leader. Btw he did have a sense of humor unlike Hailemariam who really lost control. I suppose that makes all the torturing and killing ok I guess.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            I disagree emphatically!

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Which part?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            You know it. Asking only questions is not engagement at all.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Glad to hear you’re back working. Look if you want to change to Abi we can but first list out all the terrible things he has done to Eritreans. And btw you dont see me defending your tyrant just because he’s against TPLF.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            If you have facts to discuss bring it otherwise don’t pretend as if you have something more important than others. If you haven’t notice your arguments are a sciolist perspective.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Sami,

            You are late. Paul has accused me of pedantry first. Then Ato Saleh of being intimidating. Nice vocab anyway

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            correction. There is a difference between “being something” and between “trying to be something”. Didn’t say you “are intimidating”. I just advised you not to even try to be one. And there is a big difference between the two.

            All of that is just in case you thought I was intimidated by you–it’s not that easy 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            I deny everything. I take the fifth.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            As soon as he became the leader of EPRDF and the nation at large, he could not be a functionary of TPLF. You could consider him as TPLF during the transitional period until the election was held. I disagree with Samuel on that aspect. Applying logics to our reasoning will bring us to a sound conclusion.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            The founding fathers of the USA were slave holders but the vast majority of white Americans worship them. Not sure how blacks can possibly feel the same. Logic only works with consistency. Anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts.

          • Aligaz G

            H,

            PMMZ recognized the independence of Eritrea so all other sins are forgiven by many Eritreans. Similar positions are held about Menge by many Ethiopians who claim he did what he had to do for enat hager. Same mentality

          • Hashela

            Selam Ali

            PMMZ had no choice but to recognize Eritrea.

          • Aligaz G

            Hash,

            Yes you are right Ethiopians are known for desecrating the graves of former leaders. Thanks for clearing up any confusions. cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz & Hashela,

            Hashela: It was a principle for him to believe on the Eritrean independence through and through. A principled person stand firm whether the cause is attained or not. He stood for cause as a principle.

            Aligaz: whether MZ believe on Eritrean independence or not our independence was inevitable and was actualized by the Patriotic zeal of Eritrean who gave their ultimate sacrifice for the cause of our struggle . There is no but and ifs on this fact.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Generally when a region declares independence if the old country refuses to recognize independence then most nations including UN would refuse to give recognition. Wouldn’t you agree? Sure there are special cases like Kosovo but that involved superpower rivalries.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Actually, when we defeat our enemy completely, it is natural nations to evaluate their positions and take stand with the victorious. Regarding the super powers, they will not lose their interest by being Eritrea independent. They know it very well. Her is the principled MZ did: He sent a letter to the UN asking the UN Security Council to facilitate a UN supervised referendum in Eritrea (I have a copy in my hand). But if they deny our self determination, we don’t have a choice but to “declare our independence” and fight on the diplomatic front to harvest supports.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Ok so why not recognize Somaliland. Or Kosovo or Taiwan or any other breakaway region. Anyway the point is PMMZ played a crucial enabling role by being the first nation to recognize Eritrea’s independence. Right?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            He had one wrong policy during the border war – expelling Eritreans without scrutinizing as to wether they were a problem to their security. He apologized for that many times in his interview. Could you find any apology from the leader of our nation? Apologizing for your mistakes is one of the quality of a leadership.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Did he called back the people he expelled and gave them back everything that was taken away from them?

            Why was his army waging battles in Assab front where there was no contention regard the boundary? If it was about the border, why was his army beyond Senafe and Barentu and was destroying administration and hospital buildings and desecrating cemeteries, as documented by the EECC. As the commander in Chief, he could stop every step if he wanted. If he opposed all of the above, why didn’t he step down. Given the magnitude of crimes his Army and Tigrayan elites were committing, if it was beyond his control, a principled leader would step down.

            .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            1 – regarding the properties of the expelled Eritreans he passed an executive order that all Eritreans to claim their properties. I do know many Eritreans including my uncle who got back their properties. I don’t know whether all Eritreans do get back their properties.

            2- why was battles in the Asseb fronts? There is no rule in wars to stick on the contested areas. Military leaders takes any strategy that give them the military upper hand. He was not a military leader but he knows where to stop it as commander in Chief.

            3- Any commander in Chief does not know what an awful things regular army do on the ground. You can check on every battles in a war elsewhere, that infantry armies do many unthinkable things. Eg. You know what American troops did in Abu Gheraib prison.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I find your defense of the principled and visionary leader Africa has ever seen very weak, to say the least.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            It is ok to have different opinions on issues. This will not be the last one to our differences. In the future we will have many issues definitely, as far we did it respectfully. There are many things that I see you couldn’t see and vise versa.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I agree, and there are many things where we share common interests. For instance, our language, our culture and tradition, and our common love for higher education and science.

            And our common opposition to own tyrant. However, here is the deferential position you have regarding the crimes PMMZ committed significantly weakens your just(ified) fight against our despot, as states above. That is unfortunate!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            It is okay with me. It is a matter of my inherent believe after a thorough deliberation within myself. I appreciate your civility. Keep up that way, brother.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            The deferential position you have regarding the crimes PMMZ committed significantly weakens your just(ified) fight against any despot, including ours

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela.

            You are committing a logical fallacy.

            First, Meles is not an angel. But it is comical to say he was as bad as Isaias.

            Second, let us assume, for the sake of argument, Meles was as bad as or even worse than Isaias.

            This does not weaken AmanuelH’s position of supporting Meles and opposing Isaias, if you also accept the assumption that Isaias is a despot.

            At best, you may only call AmanuelH a hypocrite.

          • Haile S.

            Hashela,

            Yes, Meles was a principled leader on his destructive policy and plan on Eritrea. Being principled doesn’t mean for production only, for destruction too!

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            Correct and thank you for pointing this out! Since centuries, Tigrayan elites have been very consistent, principled, strategic, and deceitful in their destructive actions against everything that has to do with Eritrea and Eritreans.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Ato Amanuel Hidnrat has always been a principled and dedicated advocate of Meles ,Tplf , eprdf and everything and everyone against the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ras Abi,

            Where were you 24hrs? I just was worried like last time,,you disappeared and we couldn’t find you. We will miss you very much. please be around..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I was busy doing something much more better and exciting than you and Amanuel Hidnrat scratching each other’s back.
            I watched two great games today.
            Long live soccer!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ras Abo,

            Nice, but again it is very bad to miss you..”Amanuel Hidnrat scratching each other’s back.” Next time we will not do that,,Sorry we will inform you in advance,,please forgive us…Thanks

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ምን ዋጋ አለው ብመላለስ ኮኮቤ?
            ጀበናውን ትተህ ፖለቲካውን ነው ምድጃው ላይ የጣድከው::
            ወደ ጀበናህ ስትመለስ የቡና ቁርስ ይዤ እጠይቅሃለሁ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ok Abo,

            I think I should concentrate on that page only..I totally agree..Nice ..

            KS,,

          • Desbele

            Selam Hashela,
            Another nudge to the facts…
            As per Ethi-Eritrea Claims commission (https://pca-cpa.org/en/cases/71/) , more destruction is made by Eritrea on Ethiopia- see summary below. Example: destruction of Zalambassa estimated ~6 million. zalambassa was captured by Eritrea at the beginning of the war. it was leveled off by the Eritrea way before the war escalates.
            My take in this whole destruction is that , it is always Eritrea(Isaias) who started it and Woyane followed.
            ” the total monetary compensation awarded to Eritrea in respect of its own claims is US$161,455,000. The amount awarded in respect of claims presented on behalf of individual claimants is US$2,065,865.

            In addition to the award of satisfaction to Ethiopia for all of the Commission’s liability findings, the total monetary compensation awarded to Ethiopia in respect of its claims is US$174,036,520.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I have heard this before that Melles apologized for expelling Eritreans. You also said “He apologized for that many times in his interview”

            I did not hear this public apology and I did not see anything written. When and where did he make this apology?

            All I heard when asked about expelling Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin he said “It wasn’t our finest hour”.

            Is this what you call “apology” or is there any other formal “apology”, just to keep the record straight and to learn more.

            FYI, last time Paulo said the same thing, and I asked him to clarify but he never replied back and that’s why I am asking you to clarify.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Two things: First, what is an apology to you? Do you expect him to write a letter of an apology to Isayas? Or is it only a written apology that satisfy you? second, I wish Assenna.com was well organized like awate.com to pull any article or audio easily. I can only refer you to assenna website to learn about his apology. I have tried with other issue to pull from Assenna.com, to no avail. Good luck if you want to try, or email to Amanuel Iyasu to help you on that.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            An apology is to apologize to those that were done harm like any other countries do on behalf of their government actions. For example like what American or Canadian government did to the Japanese American and Canadian citizens.

            Off course I did not expect him to do this “Do you expect him to write a letter of an apology to Isayas?”. And I don’t know why you think that’s what I am implying.

            If Melles doesn’t apologize, I think that’s ok in my opinion. Because typically such apology comes after time has passed and the wounded are healed, mainly by the next generation who were separated / distant when the wrong was done. In case of TPLF/ Ethiopia, the same people who were involved were / are still in power and it’s normally not the case of human nature to admit guilt. With apology comes compensation to attempt to right the wrong.

            Having said that, I think it will be better if people, such as yourself do not make an excuse and tell us, every time you have an opportunity to “accept” the apology that never was and never happened.

            If you google “Voice of Assenna Interview with PM Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia” you will find on youtube, not sure if this what you are referring. I think I have listened this but I don’t recall, and I have not listen it again (may be when I have time).

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman-H I don’t know what it is but you lose all your characters when it comes defending the dead midget.Melles replayed to a qeustion by Hasotan.com owner; Amanuel Iassu asked what do you think about deportation of the Eritreans?
            Melles; that was bad and it was a mistake.
            Yes, he should have apologized through this office and formally. Not to one worthless sell-out Amanuel Iassu. Melles said that to Hasotana-com was a recruiting tactics. Look who is serving the TPLF thugs after long the midget is dead. Next time please don’t bring Hasotan.com as a reference, it damages your personality.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Aren’t you defending the evil man at the helm of power who is enslaving the entire Eritrean population, echoing NNNN?

          • no one

            Selamat Mr. Hashela.

            He had a choice like he had during the boarder war. Nobody forced him to recognize Eritrean independence, but Ethiopia under his rule was one of the first country to recognize Eritrea as a country. Even he had a better chance to be accepted with the majority of Ethiopian and see him as hero by Ato Abebe and his alike. We Eritreans always consider ourselfes like somthing exceptional and that we fight for independent without any support. ብቅልጽምና። It is like የአማራ ተረት ተረት ስለ ምኒሊክ. Everything was I will support you and you support me.
            Like evry other government he did a mistake during the boarder war. He expelled Eritreans and Ethiopian with Eritrean origion through difficult and dangerous condition without managing thier property properly.
            If we do not say to the good “good” and to the bad “bad” our sense of human is in question.

          • Hashela

            Hello

            First, it is really strange to write “Hello no one”. If you don’t have a nick name, you can use your real name!

            Now back to your comment. Keep in mind that the totality of circumstances plays a key role in shaping the decision we made.

            In 1991-1993, TPLF was struggling to read a simple topographic map and the city map of Addis Abeba, figuratively speaking. It was shunned and rejected by the overwhelming majority of Amhara and the urban population. Being far away from Debebit and unfamiliar with the complexity of urban structures, TPLF was highly dependent on EPLF’s help to establish its foot in Addis Abeba. Eritrea was under total control of EPLF which was militarily and morally strong.

            Under this circumstance, TPLF temporally shelved its dream of Grater Tigray and deployed its forked tongue to laboriously utter it support of Eritrea’s independence that was already a fact on the ground.

            Five year later (1997), To its credit, TPLF mastered to eat with fork and knife and was socializing with Western powers and Amhara elites. To the latter TPLF was making hope that Ethiopia would regain its natural “right” to own sea access. It is under this circumstances and promise that Ethiopian mothers “gave the blessing that their youth” used as a cannon fodder, as Alganesh, one of the top TPLF dogs, openly said.

            The war started. By paying heavy price, TPLF won some battles but not the war. Eritrea and Ethiopia went to an arbitration. With some territorial losses, the final and binding verdict leads the fact that Eritrea has the best delineated boundary line, with Badme inside Eritrea. PMAAA unconditionally accepted the final and binding verdict and opened a door for a potentially peaceful and mutually beneficial co-existence of both nation. TPLF hastily retreated to its home base and is bitterly complaining that it power and budget is cut to a size commensurate to the population size of Tigray, home to about 5 million people.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            You are passing the salt to no one.
            I agree with you in most of what you just said except the Agazian part.
            I’m sure Agazian movement came to existence before Abiy and the mekele self imposed quarantine.

          • Hashela

            Selam Abyotwai

            The obvious has to be said, especially when an indication of memory loss surfaces.
            The corrosion of TPLF’s power started 3-5 years before Abiy’s emergence to power.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            በአባዮች ላይ አብዮታዊ እርምጃ እንወስድባቸዋለን !

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You are write the agazian started before Abiy come to power and TPLF retreat to Mekele.

            I don’t think people were aware (I wasn’t) until I heard a taped phone conversation between the Agazian leader Tesfazion and his lieutenant named Yosief Ghebrehiwot (who later went on to start J-Studio on YouTube). They had a fallout and accusing / counter accusing each other of revealing one of them they are supported by TPLF security. There was a picture of Tesfazion meeting with ENSA leaders.

            J-Studio was fed accurate and detail information of Eritrean prison condition and tiny details that only can be found / given by statements made from defected soldieries interview.

            Now with Abiy and Isayas being working together, they have accelerated their efforts to create divisions among Eritreans by invoking ugly divisive and ethnic and religious lines.

            They have never come out to renounce them but sometimes those elements appear in their conference and meeting organized in Tigray where they bring up all kinds of agenda against the Eritrean people and sovereignty and of the country.

            But I found this one claim the most hilarious one. You have to ask Haile S. to translate it for you, or it will bring Saay from his leave.

            This guy is claiming the the Tigray people are originated from Mesopotamia and on their way to Axum to settle, they build the pyramids in Egypt.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            It is very funny! More than two decades ago I heard the Mesopotamia & Tigris part as the origin of tigryans from a TPLFite. It bemused me, but I didn’t give any attention.

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe and Haile

            Berhe are digging out stuff that would make me laugh, if it were not dangerous.

            It is interesting that they are trying to make a connection between the River Tigris in today Irak and Tigray.

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            “This guy is claiming the Tigray people are originated from Mesopotamia and on their way to Axum to settle, they build the pyramids in Egypt.”

            I don’t know how many generations, centuries and millennia it has taken them to do all these. The worst thing is when a person believes in myths, doesn’t see his/her present day condition, or it is right-out a mental condition, that he/she suffers from a sort of confusion and hallucination.
            If it is meant for political expediency, it holds no water and no one except a fool will believe it. Such scenarios are the worrying part in the politics of the region. Some live in a fantasy world detached from the real world. Unfortunately, the naive and the immature may follow them.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            What a moron, what is unique about claiming tigrai build pyramid? here in this forum 24/7 they claim tigrai build addis, adama, bahirdr, hawassa, debera brhan , dessa and etc.
            u right those people have a mental condition but what about u??? those who discuss passionately and reputedly about sick peoples claim

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            They guy even say that they from Euphrates river river today Irak. He may be have said Tigris. He said they are Persians, and the moved via to Ethiopia Axum via Egypt. On their way, they build the pyramids and made their way via Yemen and settled in Tigray and mixed with the locals (what they are called Ethiopians now, his words).

            I have also heard a couple of people (I think they are Eritreans of the Agazian tribe) claiming they are Jews.

            When I grew up I knew a lot of people from Tigray who were funny and have lots of humor. But it has been a while since I have seen a Tigrayan comedian.

            I was series and I asked Paulo the TPLF ambassador in Awate to tell me if, there is any comedy video that he recommends from Tigray that I would like to enjoy. He didn’t get back to me on that one.

            Now that I think about it, the last guy that I saw is probably the best comedian so far, like Hashela said, if he wasn’t series.

            Again, I am asking, is there any Comedy or any other movie from Tigray that I can see on youtube? I have seen those video where they ask stranger random questions…but a videos.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I am TPLF’s Ambassador to Awate? You don’t say! But would consider it as an honour. Thank you for the accolade.

            I like to tell you a story. I am sure you’ve heard of Homer’s epic saga of his classic book, “Odyssey.” Certainly it is centered on not only Greek Mythology but in one on the most famous wars in history–“The Trojan War.’ It all started when a Prince of Troy named Paris abducted a Princess named Helen who was married to the King of Sparta–King Menelaus.

            Ostensibly, King Menelaus declared war against the city of Troy in a bid to not only punish Paris but to bring Helen back as well. Here is the interesting part. The person who was in charge of the war was a General named Agamemnon. Now, just imagine that, an Agazian zealot reads this piece of history and says that “We the Agame people of Tigrai are descendents of a great Greek warrior—Agamemnon.” And what they said about Tigris and Euphrates is no any different. I am actually surprised you take them serious. They are fringes. That is all they are.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            ኣለኻ ዲኻ? Then the highly precious mask of Agamenon need to be returned to its right place, the museum of Adigrat! 🙂 🙂
            Incidentally, the jokes about the origin reminded me of some history. Do you know that Agame region was not part of Tigray? It became a part during Hailesellasie.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I actually didn’t know that. Would like to learn. Please.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            I brought it because interestingly enough the reality tended to fit the jokes. Otherwise, there are ample evidence out there for anyone interested in history. For now I say ድሕሪ’ኣ ኸ? ድሕሪ’ኣ ጎሸ።

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Have you considered that Agamemnon could have left his homeland and travelled with his army up the Nile and Mediterranean Sea to invade Sparta, Athena etc? It was his nick, not proper name. It’s like Von Hashela,… Von Agamemnon:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            I don’t think there were administrative units (provinces) before Haileslassie. The administrative provinces were created by Haileslassie as part of modern governing at that time. So I don’t think we can say this or that wasn’t part of this or that, if there were no defined provinces before Haileslassie in Ethiopia.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,

            First, I didn’t mention province. Tigray region existed and included most of the awrajas we know, but not Agame. Each Awaraja had a certain ambitious pride and elevating its own administrator, but easily give up to the powerful. The Agame region was more rebellious and independent, thus was identifies separately by foreign historians and travellers. I suspect local historians of the area have the same take if I base myself on some available online documents.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Actually that is my argument. I didn’t say you mentioned about provinces. But, Since you have said Agame wasn’t part of Tigray before Haileslassie, I was try to tell you that there were not even Tigray as such with defined border before the formation of the Ethiopian provinces during Haileslassie. This argument holds true even with the rest of Ethiopian localities before the formation Ethiopian provinces for that matter.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,

            The undefined border of Tigray did not include Agame. That is what I was saying. Thanks

          • Aligaz G

            Haile,

            Are you referring to the history written by visitors such as Bruce? If so were they biased by their “patrons”?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Aligaz,

            I don’t recall what exactly what Bruce’s map looks like. But yes visitors like him, several of them before him, many after him. Even if you examine local history the region it confirms this separate identigication. Where the visitors influenced by their patrons, by Michael Sihul on Bruce for example? I don’t think so.

          • Samuel

            Selam Haile S,
            Just FYI. The word “mnon” is a disease you get from chewing too much politics. Well, not exactly but very close.

            Agamemnon = Agame-mnon, that means Agamemnon is Agame phobia political disease that you get from chewing too much of it.
            So you know now some Eritreans have Agamemnon disease.

            Just to add to the jokes above.

            Thanks,

          • Haile S.

            Samuel,

            What happen to you? I thought you were keen to read and listen. Learn, what I said is based on documents. If anyone is sick, you showed the perfect symptoms. Take history as is. Forget your hallucination. Why don’t you throw your rubbish on the one who brought the word.
            Bye

          • Berhe Y

            ሰላም ጳውሎ፡

            ሓኪልካ እንዲኻ፡ ናይ አቢ ቶክሲ ክትጻወሮ አይከእልካን (ተርተርትረ) እሞ ከነበራብራካ፡፡ You see it worked. I was looking for Tigray commedy or youtube shows and was wondering if you know.

            I don’t think they are fringe elements but it’s organized, well financed and well planned to create confusion and eventually rift within the Eritrean people (Muslim and Christians).

            For example, they keep picking the validity of Arabic as a national language and they advocate why not Tigre, Saho or all the other ethnic languages.

            They know this is none negotiable from half of the Eritrean population but they keep bringing to create purposely planned to create rift. As a Christian and as someone who speaks Tigrina, why should I care honestly if others want to learn Arabic? How is that going to replace my language.

            Considering Eritrea geographic location, I would even suggest that Arabic should be learn as a subject by all ethnic group. Knowing another language has only advantage by any measure.

            For example here in Canada, which suppose to be be bilingual country, some schools have the ability to teach French in English speaking provinces. And the way do it is, what’s called French immersion. That is, they teach the children up to grade four only French then they introduce English starting grade 5. Because, English is spoken at home for the most part so they focus on French. They the start doing 50/50 and pretty much until high school and the kids can fully graduate being bilingual.

            If it was up to me, I would look into something like that option rather than see it in negative way.

            Berhe

            .

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            If in fact they are being funded, I say, it is bad investment, simply because it is not going to work. Isaias started out with the same strategy and mindset and look where it has gotten us. One critical aspect who ever is using a divisive tactic is missing is the enduring legacy of our martyrs where every segment of the society dearly paid for. And it has become the cementing factor that holds the Eritrean society together. And remember, these noises are here and there precisely because Eritrea is in a very weak position. Once the old cruel man is gone, the Eritrean people are not going to be focusing on an imagined divide but on the enduring legacy of the martyrs. It has a transcendental significance.

          • Selam Berhe,
            It would have been easy to ignore them, if there were no similar tendencies of superiority, exceptionalism, arrogance, bravado and ignorance in their leaders as well. Let them come from the planet mars, if they want. It is immaterial and insignificant. Unfortunately, there are ramifications to this ridiculous idea of coming from Persia and Israel. This shows their belief in racial supremacism.
            The problem is that they may cause a regional war and destruction. Their dream will never materialize and it will always remain a dream. People should be aware that they are destructive forces that should not be followed.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            What we are hearing from Gonder is a loud snoring!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            የፋኖዎች ጎንደር በአስመሪኖዎች ተወራለች አትለኝም!
            ጉድ እኮ ነው! እነዚህ አስመሪኖዎች በየደረሱበት መተኛት ነው እንዴ ተግባራቸው?

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Please write in Tigrinya. Reading in Amharic costs me a lot of emergy!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            እዋይ አንታ
            Next time you read my comment in Amharic sit outside and use solar energy.

          • Desbele

            Selam Hashela,
            Nudging you to the fact:
            “Eritrea triggered the border war with Ethiopia when it attacked its neighbour in May 1998, an international commission in the Hague has ruled.
            Since there was no armed attack against Eritrea, its attack on Ethiopia could not be justified as lawful self-defence under the United Nations charter.

            Eritrea is now liable to compensate Ethiopia for damages caused, it said.” As reported by BBC on 21 Dec 2005.
            I believe DIA instigated the war to avoid implementation of the constitution.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Desbele,

            Not only Issayas instigate the war but also Badume and its environs was left to be administered by TPLF from 1982-1998 after ELF was kicked out by EPLF/TPLF alliance. That is unvarnished fact. The problem will still remain with some Eritreans defending Issayas’s military adventurism all the time at any cost, even if he has the ambition to conquer the entire continent. Aygermekan.

            Regards

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,
            Thats the fact. I am a member of 8th round National Service. I saw on my own naked eyes an Eritrean ID of a member of my unit which states ” ዝተዋህበሉ ቦታ : ባድመ ኢትዮጵያ. This is Eritrean Id issued in 1993. Yes,Badme belongs to Eritrea. But it should not have been a playing card for a dictator to play with peoples lives. Eritrea should have resolved it peacefully in round table. Unfortunately, Eritrea is owned by Isaias ,a megalomaniac dictator who can declare war and peace with this whim. Yet more horrifying is there are still people out there who believe in his adventurism and buy his concocted stories. People who are willing not to hold him accountable for this grand crime of instigating war to entrench his power. The excuse as always is TPLF. I will blame TPLF when i find out Isaias is the spy they planted in Eritrea. Keep telling the truth. It matters!

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Last night, I was listening to Professor Araya Debbesai’s tribute to our martyrs as it was aired on Assenna. He was essentially talking about his last encounter with Haile D’rue, Petros Solomon, Beraki and Birhane in Asmara when he said, D’rue and his comrades took the bold action to stand up to Isaias on the account that they were absolutely convinced that the Eritrean people will stand beside them. As you know, the G-15 held Isaias to account about the conduct of the war. Not only the people betrayed the G-15 but almost 20 years after the fact, racists and bigots are supporting Isaias when they say Isaias was a victim of aggression. It is really sad!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            You have been hiding from me lately. President Reagan once said to a Libyan: “You can run, but you can’t hide”.

            Back to the main topic. We all know that the EPLF and TPLF were best friends and partners for some time.

            In your post above, you said: “The war started.”

            Now, can you explain to all of us, WHY and HOW the war started? This, you must do in a dispassionate, neutral and objective manner without regurgitating cadre wisdom.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            Are you suggesting:”Ethiopians demand the removal of MZ’s remain (graveyard) from the Trinity Cathedral (Addis Abeba)”?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Since when is a flip flapper with no principles have the right to weigh in the credibility of others. Really! You were clapping for the economic progress in Ethiopia under the leadership of MZ before you make your business to curse him day and night now. Just worry about your credibilities before you worry about others.

          • Samuel

            Selam horizon,
            They say “people are blind to reality and only see what they want to see”. I can sense that hate is blinding you to see the facts. You can hate MZ for your own personal reasons, however he was a principled and genius man, he was a visionary leader. He changed Ethiopia to a better place. Ethiopia has attracted many Europeans and Asians to invest because they see economic potential, who made that to be? Before 1991 Ethiopia wasn’t known for its economic potential, its a fact.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,

            A principled and visionary leader doesn’t kill his people, create a kleptocratic regime and thus leave behind more than $50bn in debt, divide and make enemies out of the people, betray the country in its difficult hours, and more. If these were his principles, yes he was principled.
            Billions of dollars were coming from all over the world, east and west. The money was looted and transferred out of the country, most of it. Have you any idea about the capital flight from ethiopia, a UN office was speaking about? You have to check it yourself. Ethiopia is not in the position to service her debt today.
            If metec had not stolen the money and accomplished nothing, the gerd could have been completed by now. Many of the high rising buildings in addis and mekelle are owned by tplf officials. Remember, they came poor, and left millionaires and billionaires.
            There was a mountain of economic mishandling, corruption and theft and you act as if nothing has happened, or it was insignificant. Even today, corruption as a modus operandi of the last three decades is still difficult to control and it is traumatizing the country’s economy and undermining development.
            It is not possible to sanitize tplf however one tries. What is needed in ethiopia is to acknowledge the exponential growth of corruption during tplf, and to fight it with all power, rather than to deny that corruption, capital flight and injustices were not major tplf problems. Remember, the past bureaucracy more or less still remains in place, and it has not been completely dismantled, and therefore, a clean start has yet to take place. Change is not an easy job.

          • Nitricc

            That is a fact. In the international community not only was he representing Ethiopia but also the entire continent.

            hI Aman-H; let’s not confused the fact with deceit. PMMZ was elected to represent Africa was not because of his talent on leadership but his experience on begging and attaining Aids. He was good at begging and Africans jumped to on that opportunity and elected PMMZ to represent them, that is all. a visionary leader doesn’t beg. your visionary leader PMMZ left Ethiopia with crippling debt and record Aids, nothing to show for except few rich old Tigryans.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እጥር ምጥን ብላ ልብ የምትሰረስር ግጥም::
            ልብ ያለው ልብ ይበል ብለናል::

            እነዚህ ለወያኔ ያደሩ ጥንብአንሳዎች ለማንም አይመለሱም::
            መለስ አይናቸውን አስጨፍኖ ህጋቸውን ከነልባቸው ወስዶባቸዋል::
            ፍቅር እውር አይደል!

          • no one

            የተከበሩት ስላም ነዎት
            ኣንዴ ኤርትራን ኣስገነጠለ ትላላቹ ሌላ ጊዜ ደግሞ ኤርትራውያንን ገነጣጣለ ትላላቹ የትኛውን እንመናቹ እስኪ ኣንዱን ምረጡ እንድንቀበላቹ።
            ሰሞኑን ደግሞ ቀረርቶና ሽለላ ኣበዙ ምነው ሰባተኛው ንጉስ ይወርዳል ብለው ሰጉ እንዴ። መቸስ በሚስቱ በኩል ኣልጋ ወራሽነት ይደሰኛል በለው ተሰፋ ኣርገው እንደነበር ኣልጠራጠርም።
            ቸር ይዋሉ

          • Abi

            ማን ልበል?

          • no one

            Ato Abebe it is me Satenaw

          • Abi

            Wrong address

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Your anger is understandable. But, these days, you sound like Nitricc’s deputy.

        • Kaddis

          Dear Samuel –
          True – its ironical going to Meqele for PP is ok but not for others. The elders and religious groups, even the aba gedas, are not useful – they have never made a statement when the Oromo is killed everywhere. They only show up when they think PP is under pressure. Abiy handlers, ferenjis, always say African politics is either money, religion or identity. Abiy uses everything and its working for him but not for the fragility of the nation.
          Its just to buy time until Tigray falls – they used to make same crying contest in other regions until Abiy became stable.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

      I read somewhere, and I tend to believe it seems reasonable, that most of the brutal hideous dictators come from the left.
      The leftists are usually the wolf in sheep clothing, claiming they empathize and care for the disadvantaged until they get power.
      Mussolini, Hitler and others come from the left. In our neck of the woods, Mengistu, PIA, Mugabe, Bare of Somalia claimed to be enlightened socialists who care about the poor and the needy only to engage in mass killings.

      Mr. K.H

      • Simon Kaleab

        K.H.,

        Uncle Joe Stalin, Comrade Mao, Brother Castro, Pol Pot [tin pot], Kim’s family ranch.

    • Samuel

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
      We knew all along PMAA was/is a fake and pretender, just like his ancestor MH, of course the usual supporters will keep the praising but as some of us said it before his days are numbered.
      Let me paste some part of the article, people may not read it all.

      “— From a realist standpoint, Abiy and Farmajo are both weaker than they themselves admit or realize. Abiy may seek to become the new Mugabe, and Farmajo the new Siad Barre, but their respective peoples will not stand for it. Unbridled ambition will lead to civil war in their respective states. This is in no one’s interest. Rather than promote silly photo-ops with regional presidential summits, like that which the State Department’s Bureau of African Affairs plans for this coming week in Djibouti, the U.S. government should signal both to Abiy and Farmajo that they risk pariah status if they continue their undemocratic tendencies.

      Thanks,

    • mad mullah

      Hello Amanuel,
      I am really skeptical about the quality of the article. First it comes from the American Enterprise Institute. It might has well be the national endowment for democracy.
      It is supposed to be about africa but it starts off with saddam hussein and aug see of burma…
      It mentions DIA as some sort democratic or reformer…who actually said this or believed that he was capable of such a thing.. remember Reagan called the Mujaheddin the founding fathers of Afghanistan and I won’t say what conservative foundation were saying of Jonas Savamibi in late 80’s and 90s.
      I think western media project what they want to see to leaders…
      I think western media were projecting things on DIA- he is semi-literate power hungry warlord type who will end up either like Qaddafi or Mugabe. That decision is left to Eritrean people.
      Kagame is different sort of leader he is delivering for this people and modeling his approach after Singapore and other east Asian tigers during their development stage. The reality is it is working for Rwanda on all major KPIs.
      In terms of its criticism of Dr. Abiy… we just don’t have enough information to say this or that…
      For every DIA there is Jerry Rawling. For every Mugabe there is Joaquim Chissano.
      Overall, the article is weak, light and it is more rehashing of what you might see on website of national endowment for democracy…

    • Simon Kaleab

      Amauel H.,

      Typo: Nobel not Nobel.

  • mad mullah

    hello all,
    here is Chinese response…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNdbUW5VwI

  • Nitricc

    Greetings all. i have been sharing this with military’s people who i truest their judgment and i shared the following link and it dapped the most riskiest, daring, genius and unbelievable military operation ever. I mean it is crazy. I know to you internet braves; but in reality it one of the most daring, simply mind bugling. watch and learn the greatness of Eritrean people and EPLF. it is normal to infiltrate few commando and few soldiers behind enemies front line, but the entire Kifle-Serawit, is unheard of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4pyh3kCqhw&t=635s

  • Sultan M.G.

    https://twitter.com/Nakfaw1/status/1269591210290634753?s=20
    “ግደፍዶ መሳርያ ሒዞም ን ኤርትራውያን ጥራሕ ኢዶም ውን ኣይንኽእሎምን” ስብሓት ነጋ ሓደ ካብቶም መሪሒነት ወያነ ዕረ እንዳጠዓሞ ዚወጸ ሓቂ።“

    • Abi

      Hello King of Kings Sultan
      Eritreans have proved themselves time and again to achieve higher goals in education, trade, business, leadership, military ኧረ ስንቱ ተዘርዝሮ !
      They have registered amazing achievement between the years 1961-1991. They were shooting to the stars with full throttle! After they abdicated their freedom in 1991, they put their collective gears in reverse…. አቦ በሰንበቱ አታስለፍልፈኝ!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሓደ ቁማል ን ኣቢ ካብ ገለ መጺኡ መንጭቱ ይገድፎ።
    ኣነ ቁማል ዝበሃል ካብዘይርኢ ነዊሕ ዓመታት ዩ ሓሊፉ ። ኣብ ግዚ ውግእ-ባድመ
    [ኣብ ድፋዕ ከለኹ] ናይ መወዳእታ ቁማል ዝረኣኹሉ ግዜ ‘ዩ።

    እሞ: ዝቑማል ክምርመረለይ ኣሎው ኢሉ ይሓትት። ዝገርም ኳ ‘ዩ።
    ናብ ሓደ ክፍሊ ምርምር [ዩኒቨርሲቲ] ይወስድዎ።
    ተመርመሩስ ናይ ንጉስ ሰሎሞን ዘርኢ ይርከቦ። ተመራመርቲ ደም ናይ
    ንጉስ ሰሎሞን ኣለካ ምስበልዎ ክኸውን ዘይክእል ‘ዩ ብምባል ኣበደን ኢሉ ይነቅጽ።
    ሽዑኡ: እሞ ምስ መን ኔርካ: ዝቑማል ክርከብ ከሎ ኢሎም ይሓትዎ።
    ኢሳያስ ማንኪ ደመቀ ጆሃር ይብሎም። ተሓበሩ ድማ። ብጀካ ጆሃር [ኣበደን ኢሉ ‘ሱ ድማ]
    ‘ቶም ሰለስተ ናተይ-ናተይ ‘ዩ ዝኸውን ኢልካ ነዛ ቦታ ናብ ንዳ ሜስ ኣይቅይርዋን።

    ብር ተበልኩስ ሕልሚ!

    እስራኤላውያንሲ ‘ንታይ ኮን ይብሉ: ነዚ ዘርኢ ‘ለና ኢሉ ብርሑቕ ዝ ኣምን ሰብ: ኢለ ክሓስብ ጀሚረ።
    ግን ከኣ ፍሉጥ። ነቶም ይሁዳውያን ኢና ዝብሉ ከማን ብዙሕ ዘይ ኣምንሎምስ ንሰብ ርሑቕ።
    ትደልያ ኦሞ ይዝንግዐክን ድየን ዝበላ ሓቀይ።

    ንጉስ ሰሎሞን ወዲ ናይጀርያ ኔሩ ተ ዝኸውን ከ ዘርኢ ናይጀርያ ኢና ኢሉዶ ምተሓበነ?

    • Semere Tesfai

      ሰላም መሃንድስ ምዕብለ

      ኣንታ ጆሜትራ – ካን በ’ሽሙርን፡ ብጎቦ-ጎቦ ዘረባን፡ ብፖለቲቻዊ ሕካያን እኮ ዕላጅ ገርካልና! በል’ስከ…… ቁማልን ድፋዕን ሕካያን ካብ ኣምጻእካስ – ቀዳመ-ሰንበት ‘ዩሞ – በተኽስያን ምኻድ ካብ ተኸልከልናስ፡ በዛ ናጾም ሕካያ ክንጽሊ። ኣምላኽ፡ ሰናይ ተግባር ‘ዩ ኢሉ (ሰብ ከስሕቕ ስለዝፈተንኩ) credit ክህበኒ ድማ ተስፋ ይገብር – ንዓኻ’ውን እንተዳኣ ስሒቕካ፡ ናይ ሰንበትካ credit ተዋህልል። Anyway…….. ናብ ሕካያና ክንኣቱ…..

      ኣነ፡ ኣብ ሜዳ ኤርትራ፡ ክልተ ነገር ጥራይ ‘የ ተማሂረ – ሰብኣይ ምቕታልን፡ ሕካያን። ምስ’ቲ ሰብኣይ ምቐታል ዝመሃረኒ መምህረይ ካልእ መዓልቲ ከላልየካ እየ። ሎሚ ግን፡ ምስ ናይ ሕካያ መምህረይ ከላልየካ። ስማ ጓል-ሓይላይ ትበሃል። እምበኣር ፈለማ ምስ ድሕረ-ባይታ ጓል ሓይላይ ከላልየካ፡

      ኤርትራውያን ደቂ-ኣንስትዮ – ብዘይ ምግናን – መልክዐኛታት እየን፡ ዋላ ሓንቲ ዝወጸን የብለንን። ጓል ሓይላይ ግን – ምስ ሕሰም ሜዳ ሓዊስካ – መልክዓ ኣይግድን ‘ዩ ንሩ። ብኡ ምኽንያት ድማ፡ ኩሉ ግዜ – ኣቲ ክፍእቲ፡ ኣቲ ደንጎላ፡ ኣቲ ህበይ፡ ኣቲ ቆርጫጭ፡ ኣቲ ጠፍናቕ ክፍእቲ ኣፍንጫ….. እንዳ’ልና ኢና ንጸርፋ ነርና። ንሳ ግን ኣይትኹሪ፡ ኣይትጻረፍ፡ ኣይትበኣስ፡ ኣይትሓሚ፡ ሰብ ኣይተስተናዕቕ፡ ዋላ ብዙሕ ‘ውን ኣይትዛረብን እያ ነራ። ጓል-ሓይላይ – ቁመታ፡ ሰለፋ፡ ዳንጋኣ፡ ስፍሒ-እንግደዓኣ፡ ቅልጽማ፡ ዋላ ዓቐን ሳእኒ እግራ፡ ከይተረፈ ካብ መብዛሕትኦም ሰብኡት ዝዓበየ እዩ ነሩ። ጓል-ሓይላይ፡ ብሰለስተ ነገራት ‘ያ ትፍለጥ ነራ – ብወረጃን ምቕሉልን ጠባያ፡ ብጅግንነታ ኣብ ዓውደ-ኲናት፡ ብመዓንጣኻ ዝበትኽ ሕካያ።

      ሓደ ግዜ፡ ተሓጋጋዚ መድፋዓጂና (Machine-gun Gunner) ሓሚሙ ንማእከላይ ሕክምና ስለዝኸደ፡ ንግዚኡ ተሓጋጋዚት መድፋዓጂ ኩኒ ተባሂላ። ኣጋጣሚ ኮይኑ ድማ ድሕሪ ቁሩብ መዓልታት፡ እቲ ተሓጋጋዚ (ሙሳዕድ) መድፋዓጂ ከይተመልሰ፡ ኣብ ኲናት ንኣቱ። ኣብ ኲናት ምስ ኣተና፡ እንደገና ሕማቕ ኣጋጣሚ ኮይኑ፡ እቲ መድፋዓጂ ብሬንና ድሕሪ ቁሩብ ሰዓታት፡ ኣብቲ ዂናት ይስዋእ። ጓል-ሓይላይ ድማ ብሬን MG ትሕዛ። ብኡነት፡ ብኡነት – ነርባዕተ መዓልቲ፡ መሬት ሓዊ ገራታ፡ ውግእ እንዳቐለሰት፡ ሰራዊት ጸላኢ ንቕድሚት ከስጉሙስ ይትረፍ፡ ኣብ’ታ ዘለዉዋ ድፋዕ’ኳ ርእሶም ከልዕሉ ከም ዘይኽእሉ ድሕሪ ብምግባራ – ስሪኣ ምስ ኣርኣየትና – ኣብ ራብዓይ መዓልቲ፡ ኣብ ከባቢ ኣጋ-ግዘ ተወጊኣ ካብ ድፋዕ ተጸይራ ወሪዳ። ሽዑ፡ ምስኣ ኣብ ውግእ ውዒሉ፡ ምስኣ ተወጊኡ ንሕክምና ዝኸደ፡ ወዲ-በረንበራስ፡ ኣብ ሕክምና ከም’ዚ ክብላ ይዝከረኒ፡ “ጓል ሓይላይ፡ ሰብእይ ጥራይ ዘይኮንኪስ፡ ሰብእይ ሰብኡት ኢኺ። ቀደም ደቀ’ንስትዮ ማዕረ ሰቡኡት እየን ኢለ ይኣምን ኣይነበርኩን። ሎሚ ግን፡ ስብእነትኪ ድሕሪ ምርኣየይ ኣሚነ። ድሕሪ ሕጂ – ንዓኺ ርእየ ከለኹ – ከመይ ገረ ደቀ’ንስትዮ ማዕረ ሰብኡት ኣይኮናን ክብል። ሎሚ፡ ኣነ፡ ኣሚነ ጥራይ ዘኮነ – ብደቀ’ንስትዮ፡ ኮርዐ እየ” ክብላ ይዝከረኒ።

      ጓል-ሓይላይ፡ እቲ ዕምባባ ዝመስል ስሩዕ ኣስናናን፡ እቲ ሽኮር መኻድንቲ ኣፋን – ርኢኻ ኣይጽገብን እዩ ነሩ። ሕካያኣ ‘ሞ ግደፎ – ብሰሓቕ መዓንጣኻ ኢኻ ቁስል ትብል። ንሳ ግን፡ ቁሩብ ፍሽኽ ተዘይኮይኑ፡ ፈጺማ ኣይትስሕቕን’ያ ነራ። ኩሉሳዕ፡ ” ‘ታይ ኢኺ ነዘን ኣስናንኪ ትበቅየን፡ ‘ታይ ኣዴኺ ኢኺ ‘ዘን ኣስናንኪ ዘይተርርእይና’ ኢና ንብላ ነርና። ሓደ መዓልቲ ግን፡ ብሰሓቕ ፍሕስ ኢላ፡ ንብዓት ብኽልተ ምዕጉርታ ዝዛረየሉ ዕለት ይዝከረኒ። ሕጂ እቲ ንጓል-ሓይላይ ዘስሓቓ ክሕክየኩም።

      ሓደ ግዜ ብቕጽበት ተረከቡ (ሕዱረክ ፈውረን) ተባሂልና፡ ምሉእ ለይቲ ክንጓዓዝ ሓዲርና፡ ንግሆምስ ኮነ፡ ነፈርቲ ከይርእያና ኣብ ትሕቲ ዕሙር ኣግራብ ነዕርፈልኩም። ኩላትና ደኺምና ስለዝነበርና ድማ ፋሕ ኢልና ንድቅስ። ጓል-ሓይላይ ግን፡ ቁሩድ ደቂሳ ትትስእ። ብምኽንያት ነዊሕ ጉዕዞ፡ ስሪኣ፡ ኣብ መንጎ ክልተ ሰለፋ ተቐዲዱ ስለዝነበረ፡ ኩሹኽ (ቁራጽ ነጸላ) ተዓጢቓ፡ ስሪኣ ኣብ ምሽቃት ትኣቱ። የዕሪፍና ድሕሪ ምውዓል፡ ካልእይ ምሸት ‘ውን ተበገስ ተባሂሉ ምሉእ ለይቲ ክንይድ ሓዲርና፡ ንግሆ ምስ ኮነ፡ ነፈርቲ መታን ከይርእያና ኣብ ትሕቲ ዕሙር ኣግራብ ነዕርፍ። ሕጅውን ጓል-ሓይላይ፡ ቁሩብ ደቂሳ ትትስእ። ስሪኣ፡ ኣብ መንጎ ክልተ ሰለፋ ተቐዲዱ ስለዝነበረ፡ ኩሹኽ ተዓጢቓ፡ ስሪኣ ኣብ ምሽቃት ትኣቱ። ሳልሳይ መዓልቲ ‘ውን፡ ምሸት ተበገስ ተባሂሉ፡ ምሉእ ለይቲ ክንይድ ሓዲርና፡ ንግሆ ነፈርቲ ከይርእያና ኣብ ትሕቲ ዕሙር ኣግራብ ነዕርፍ። ሕጅውን ጓል-ሓይላይ፡ ቁሩብ ደቂሳ ትትስእ። ስሪኣ፡ ኣብ መንጎ ክልተ ሰለፋ ተቐዲዱ ስለዝነበረ፡ ኩሹኽ ተዓጢቓ፡ ስሪኣ ኣብ ምሽቃት ትኣቱ።

      ኣብ’ቲ ሳልሳይ መዓልቲ፡ ዳርጋ ሰዓት-ሓደ ድሕሪ ቀትሪ ኣቢሉ ምስ ኮነ፡ በብሓደ፡ ከካብ ደቂስናሉ ዝነበርና ጽላል ገረብ ተሲእና፡ ገለ ዓሰርተ ንኸውን፡ ኣብ’ቲ ጓል-ሓይላይ ዝነበረትሉ ጽላል ገረብ ተኣኪብና፡ ዕላልናን ሰሓቕናን ንጅምር። ድሕሪ ቁሩብ፡ ወዲ-ስእለ ዋርድያ ነሩ መጺኡ፡ ሰላማት ኢሉ ይሕወሰና፡፡ ሰላም ወዲ-ስእለ፡ ኮፍ በል ኢልናዮ ኮፍ ይብል። ጓል-ሓይላይ ግን ኩሹክ ተዓጢቓ፡ ደኒና ስሪኣ ክትሽቅጥ፡ ንዓና ይኹን ንወዲ-ስእለ ቁሊሕ ኣይበለትናን። ሽዑ………

      ወዲ-ስእለ፡ (መታን ንጓል-ሓይላይ ከዛርባ ኢሉ) ኣንቲ ጓል-ሓይላይ……… ‘ታይ ‘ደለ ደኣ ተረኽበ? ካን…… መዓልቲ-መዓልቲ ስረ ክትሽቅጢ’ኮ ላሕ ኢልኪ…… እሞ ድማ ኣብ ሓንቲ ቦታ – በላ እንዳሰሓቐ።

      ጓል-ሓይላይ፡ (ትቕብል ኣቢላ) ስቕባ-በል!….. ድቃስ’ኮ ስኢነ….. ኮራርምታ ዳኣ ትርገፍ’ምበር፡ ነዛ ናተይ ዝሃበ ኮራርምትስ ንበይኑ ‘ዩ። ኣነ ክሽቅጥ፡ ንሳ ክትሕይኽ – ተረባሪብና ኮ! ሎምስ ረብሪበ፡ ቅጭ-መጺኡኒ ‘ዩ ዘሎ። ዋላ ርእይ ወዓልዋ…. ጋህ ትበል ክሓድጋ እየ…… ሓንቲ ኢለ ኣይሽቅጥን ‘የ – ትብሎ እንዳሰሓቐት

      ወዲ-ስእለ፡ (እንዳ ሰሓቐ)፡ ጓል ሓይላይ፡ ጸላኢኣ ይሸፈን……… ግደፍያ ብርሃን ዓልም ርእያ ፍ ሽ ኽ ትበል። ደይ ነዚ ክፉእ ገጽኪ ምርኣይ ‘ዩ ኣጽሊእና ዘሎምበር……. ንዓኣ ደኣ መዓልቲ-መዓልቲ ርኢናኳ ዘይምጸገብናያ – ምስ በላ – ብስሓቕ ፍሕስ ኢላ፡ ንብዓት ብኽልቲኡ ምዓጉርታ ስጋብ ዝውሕዝን፡ ምዝራብ ስጋብ ትስእንን ኮይና ንብለኩም።

      ‘ዚኣ ተሪስዕኩም ሞት ትረስዕኩም

      ሰመረ ተስፋይ

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ሰመረ

        ‘ዛ ጽሕፍቲ ‘ኳ ነቶም ዘርኢ ዘነገደ- ይሁዳ ኢና ዝብሉ ‘ያ ኔራ: ግነ ‘ንተ ተንኪፋትካ ብዘይፍላጥ ‘ዩ ‘ሞ ይቕሬታ

        ሓንቲ ዓባይ ነጥቢ ዘላትኒ ብዛዕባኻ ግን ኣብ ሰብ ዘይኮነስ ኣብቲ ዛዕባ ኢኻ ተተኩር። ክትምስገን ድማ ይግበኣካ!

        ናይ ጓል ሓይላይ ንሳ ‘ንተዄና ኣብ ካርቱም ሰሚዐያ ኔረ ‘ዛ ሕክያ። ተመሳሳሊት ኴና ተሰሚዓትኒ።

        ምስ ሓደ ዓርከይ ናብ ሓደ ገዛ ንኸይድ ‘ሞ: ናይ ጀብሃ ሓለፍቲ ዝነበሩ ኣብኡ ይጸንሑና። ድሕሪ ነዊሕ ግዜ ‘ዩ ዝረደኣኒ: ስጋብ ክንደይ ሓላፍነት ከምዝነበሮም።

        ጓል ሓይላይ ናይ ህግ ተጋዳሊት ‘ንተዄና ግን ሃቲፈ ኣለኹሞ ንጌጋይ ሸለል ኢልካ ሕለፎ።

        ተሞኩሮኻ ኣብ መጽሓፍ ‘ተተቕርቦ ከመይ ጠቓሚ ምኾነ መስለካ።

        ሓንቲ ነገር ግን በጃኻ ነዞም ህግደፍ ራሕራሓዮም። ኣይናትካን ‘ዮም።
        ዘይናትካ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ኣይናትናን ‘ዮም። ወረ ናይ ሰብ ፍጥረት የብሎምን። መቓልስቶም: መማኽርቶም: ብጾቶም: ዘጥፍኡ። ኤእ! ኔው በሎም።

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam Vet Semere:
        An Epic Story!
        “ Abba Juggos Ni Eritrawiyan Deki Anistio misfetere KalO’t miftar Dew Kebbil Neruwo”!
        Prof Dr Ghideon Abay Asnerom’s Sppech on the Occassion of the Eri Bologna Festival last year!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ሰመረ,

        ናይ ሜዳ ሕከያ (ዕላል) መወዳእታ የብሉን:: ኮፍ ኢልካ ከተዕልሎ ኸለኻ እዩ ዝበለጸ ላዛ ዘለዎ::

      • Hashela

        ሰላም ሰመረ

        እዛ ዕላል እዚእ መፍትሕ ማዕጾ መንግስተ ሰማያት’ያ። ኣምላኽ ብጾሎት ብዙሓት ሰልችይዎ፣ ንዓኻ ንበይንኻ ጽብቕቲ ክፍሊ ሂቡ “ሓክየኒ” እንዳበ ደቃስ ክኸላኣካ’ዩ።

  • said

    Greetings.
    Contribution of Arabic and Persian in terms of languages ,poem, art and culture

    The Portuguese writer Adalberto Alves made a list of Portuguese words derived from Arabic. What started as mere curiosity turned into a decade-long project that led to the publication in 2013 of a dictionary of more than 19,000 Portuguese words and expressions with Arabic origins. Alves has spent the last 35 years documenting the influences of al-Andalus in Portugal – from poetry and language to music, carpet-weaving and pastries, to minaret-shaped chimneys. His efforts were acknowledged by UNESCO with the Sharjah Prize for Arab Culture in 2008. Arabic poetry from the Andalus period into Portuguese, poets such as al-Mu’tamid, Andalusian poets
    The Physician by Al-Mu’tamid ibn Abbad.
    Pale fingers of the drowsy dawn have rent
    The garment of the night, and thou, beloved,
    Tearest the sad weeds of my discontent
    With dawn-tipped fingers.
    Wherefore I invent
    A medicine from the moisture of thy lips
    And from the roses that thy cheeks have lent,
    To cure my melancholy.
    Al-Mu’tamid ibn Abbad.

    The Old civilization like Persia exists as country and as an idea, too. Through exploring its ancient art and culture extended over 7,000 years ,produced The 13th- and 14th-century poets Saadi and Hafez, among many whose poetry inspired Goethe and the European Romantics.
    the German genius Johann Wolfgang Goethe. He was very much influenced by Persian/Muslim philosophy and poetry, in particular by the 14th-century poet Hafez-e Shirazi. artificially divided through nationalisms, religious doctrines and other forms of ideology, was equally central to a poem. Goethe wrote:
    When people keep themselves apart in mutual disdain.
    A truth is hidden from the heart.
    Their goals are much the same.
    A verse from Saadi adorns the UN Hall of Nations in New York. another literary hero became our guide: Abolqasem Ferdowsi, the 11th-century author of the Shahnameh, the Persian “Book of Kings”, an epic poem that is a magical blending of mythology and real history. you have to imagine Shakespeare had combined Beowulf and the Arthuriad and the Plantagenets into one chronological national story. The Shahnameh’s 60,000 lines of verse preserved the Persian language at a time of Mongol invasion. Gorgan Wall, a 200km-long brick barrier built by the Sassanians a hundred years before the Great Wall of China.

    Sa’adi poem called Bani Adam (human kind), drafted in the 13th century, the Persian-Muslim polymath Sa’adi used what can be employed as an analogy to our current challenge in order to visualise this common constitution of humanity. It reads:

    Human beings are members of a whole,
    in creation of one essence and soul.
    If one member is afflicted with pain,
    other members uneasy will remain.
    If you have no sympathy for human pain,
    the name of human you cannot retain.

    These verses from Sa’adi’s Bani Adam decorate the walls of the United Nations building in New York and the poem was quoted by US president Barack Obama

    • Brhan

      Thanks Said
      Speaking of Persian…how come you forgot America’s most-read poet, the Muslim Sufi Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī who said:
      “It’s your road, and yours alone, others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you.”
      Thank you

      • said

        Salam Brhan

        No I did not forgot him ,I agree with you , he is regarded as the finest Persian poet of all time and among the greatest in the sufi tradition .I was thinking of present day of Persia . Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, a Persian Sufi mystic , known as Mevlân or Rumi is known world wide, Rumi’s poetry continues to touch hearts across countries and cultures more than seven centuries after his death. He was born to native Persian-speaking parents, originally from the Balkh, in present-day Afghanistan. Rumi lived most of his life in Konya (Turkey), And in 1273 ,he was buried n Konya. and his shrine became a place of pilgrimage..

        Knock, And He’ll open the door

        Vanish, And He’ll make you shine like the sun

        Fall, And He’ll raise you to the heavens

        Become nothing, And He’ll turn you into everything.

        “When we are dead, seek not our tomb in the earth, but find it in the hearts of men.”

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam All,

    Saay wanted us to know our internal enemy. In his blog Eritreadigest as to how we should view and handle our enemy has said this:

    “ ዕላማና [ንጸላእትና] ፍጹም ስዩም ከነብሎምን ክንስዕሮምን እዩ። እዚ ዝዀነሉ ምኽንያት፡ ጸላእትና ሓደው ከዕግቡና ንሱ ተተረፈ ድማ ክዕረቝና ኣይኰነን መደቦም። መደቦምሲ፡ ክስዕሩናን ካብ ገጽ ምድሪ ብጥራስ ከጥፍኡናን እዩ። ስለዚ ኢና ድማ ክንስዕሮም ዘድልየና”:: His article is a must read article.

    • Brhan

      Selam Ustaz Amanuel
      I read the article both in its Tigrinya translation and its origin which SAAY wrote it in English. I enjoyed it for SAAY as usual reveals that what the regime has messaged so far is wrong. Great are those writeres, who reveal the regime’s game with messaging.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ሰብ ሸንኮለል

    ህግደፍ ዓማጺ ‘ዩ
    ሓቂ!

    ህግደፍ ሓሳዊ ‘ዩ
    ፍሉጥ!

    ህግደፍ ሰራቒ ‘ዩ
    ዕዉር ዝምስክሮ!

    ደጋፊ ህግደፍ ህግደፍ ‘ዩ
    ‘ንታይ ሕቶ ‘ለዎ?

    ተደናጋጺ ህግደፍ ህግደፍ ዩ
    ኣማን ብኣማን!

    ህግደፍ ማዕረ ቀንጻሊ ‘ዩ
    ንዘስተውዕል

    ንክርስትያን ኮነ ኣስላማይ ‘ኣስር ይቕንጽል
    ከመይ ደኣ!

    ንኹሉ ኣውራጃታት ብማዕረ የብርስ
    ሕቶ ኣየድልዮን

    ስለምንታይ ደኣዩ’ሞ ደገፍቲ ዝረክብ?
    Stockholm syndrome!

    ‘ሞ ሓቆም ‘ዮም ሓደ-ሓደ ተንተንቲ ህዝቢ ኤረትራ ዝግበኦም መራሒ ዮም ረኺቦም ዝብሉ።
    ሓቂ ዶ መስለኩም?

  • Nitricc

    Greetings Moda; i have this problem if you can help, if not i have to change my nick name. whenever i post this shows up

    We are unable to post your comment because you have been banned by Awate. Find out more.

    I put up with annoyance of the the above on red color but my main point is i can’t up-vote commentators who really deserves it. so, please help if you can but if not let me know and i will different nick.
    Thank you.

    • Saleh Johar

      Nitricc,
      Find out more because if you are banned by the forum, you would know it here and you wouldn’t be able to post. But there are words you repeat and your posts are held for moderation. Avoid the bad words that the system rejects.

      • Nitricc

        Hey SJ; Thanks for your response, i know i can post but i can’t up-vote with people’s take i agree with. I understand that this could be not from awate.com but disqus, anyway it is okay, i will solve it. thanks SJ.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nitricc,

      You must not change your nick name. If you have to, perhaps use “Nitricc202 or something that protects the tradition of the University.
      If you come back one day using another nick name like….Ewnetegnaw Sew or Shiferaw we will all be disappointed.
      Sometimes we read Nitricc before others because we never know what we get.

      Mr. K.H

      • Nitricc

        Hey KIM; i don’t want to but i can’t up-vote. Actually you gave me a good idea. Thank you. If i change my nick to Nitricc2020 but I am not sure if i can keep my aviator though. i love my aviator more than my nick. thank you Kim.

  • Abi

    ሰላም አዋተዎች
    ሠመረ ተስፋይ የቀድሞ ወንበዴ
    የዘንድሮ ጏዴ በሚስቴ ዘመዴ
    በታደሰ መንፈስ በሰላ ጎራዴ
    የወያኔን መንጋ አርበድብዴ!!

    ሠመረ ተስፋይ ጨጏር ዳንጋ
    አይበገሬ ወያኔ ቢንጋጋ
    የድንቢጥና የአይጥ መንጋ
    በቴስታ ቡኛ እያላጋ
    ዝም ጭጭ አሰኘው አፍ እያዘጋ

    ሠመረ ተስፋይ 3
    የተባበሩት አይጦች 0

    • Haile S.

      ኣባ ትልቁ፡

      የርቁ የጉራዕ-ልጅ ዘመዳችን ከኣዲስ የዘፈነው
      ቢዘፍኑለት ታድያስ ዛሬ ዓርብ እኮ ነው!

      https://youtu.be/peT4eyi_NjU

      • Abi

        መምህር
        ዘፈንማ መልካም ሸጋ ማንጎራጎር
        ከጉራጌ ጉራዕ ከአስመራ ሸገር
        ሁሉን የሚያስማማ ሁሉን የሚያፋቅር
        ፓለቲካ ክፉ ሁሉን የሚያቃቅር
        ወንድም ወንድሙ ላይ ጦር የሚያስወረውር
        ሁሉ ቢተባበር ሁሉ አብሮ ቢዘምር
        እኔና ዻውሎሲ አንጣላም ነበር

        ኒትሪክ ሲነታረክ ሱልጣን ሲተረተር
        አሊጋዝ ሲቆሰቁስ ደርሶ እሳት ሲጭር
        ዋርዲያ ሲቆጣ ፊቱ ሲኮማተር
        ስምኦን ሲነዛነዝ አቢ ሲቀባጥር
        በርሃ ድርቅ ሲል መምህር ሲያስተምር
        ሃሸላ ሲፎግር ሆራይዘን ዙሪያውን ሲያማትር
        ሠመረ ሲያፋጥጥ ሳሚ ሲደናበር
        ዻውሎስ ሲመራመር ባልተረዳው ሚስጥር
        ኮኮብ ሰላም ሲሰብክ ካዲስ ሲያጭበረብር
        ገመምተኛው ደፍሮ ያልገባውን ሲመክር
        ብርሃን በጨለማ ተውጦ ሲዳክር
        መሃንዲስ በግጥም አገር ሲያደነቁር
        አድማሴ ደብተራው ቆዳውን ሲወጥር
        ኪም እንደዋዛ ሲናገር ቁም ነገር

        “እዋይ!!” አለ ትግሬ “አኒ በዴ!” ኦሮሞ
        እኛን ያስተዋለ ለአንድ አፍታ ቆሞ

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Abi,
          I always imagine you are the guy who tells this singer what to say. Not the Einstein looking gentleman but the guy with a hat and white pants. 🙂
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BdzfKYo7Z8&list=RD0BdzfKYo7Z8&start_radio=1&t=0

          • Abi

            MM
            The Einstein looking gentlemen is ሊቀ ሊቃውንት ኃይለ;)
            Your imagination is scary:)

        • Haile S.

          Superb Abi!

          Here is my choice for you and all. ንሰማማዕ, እንስማማ በመኩሼ ገብሩ።

          https://youtu.be/zBaXq9_mgZc

          We are all there 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • Hashela

            Haile

            This is hilarious :-)x100!

            I am missing Abi there!

          • Haile S.

            Hashela,

            What happen to you? You didn’t see him somersaulting?

          • Hashela

            Haile

            my eyes are really wet of heart-felt laugh, I need to wait until I calm down myself!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እንደው ያንተ ነገር!
            Somersaulting?
            ቀጭኔው መሆንህ ነው! መቼም ካንተ ራስ አልወርድ!
            በገዛ ሜዳህ ነጥብ ጣልክ;)

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You really look handsome with your brown fur:) So lovely and lively…

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Thank you, much appreciated!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Still laughing 😂

          • Hashela

            Haile and Abi

            I suggest that the middle part of Abi’s master piece should framed and permanently posted in the Jebena section, just below the KARMA.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Dear Hashela,,

            I agree with you..that is nice if awate. agree..But they change the stanza” ኮኮብ ሰላም ሲሰብክ ካዲስ ሲያጭበረብር” Ha ha ha

            KS,,

        • Admassie

          ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

          አየ ጌታው!

          ፖለቲካ መቼ ሆነ ክፉ
          ካላውተበተብነው እሚገመድበት ስፉ፡፡

          ጸጋ እንጂ ነው መተባበር … አንድነት ነው የህልው ሥሩ
          የህብሩ ድምቀት እያንዳንዱ … በጋራ ነው የጉልበት ዘሩ፡፡
          እንዲያ እንጂ ነው የአጽናፍ ዓለም … የመኖር ስርዓት ህጉ
          አስተሳስሮ የሚያዘልቀው … የማይፈታ ድርና ማጉ፡፡

          በቀር ዓለም ሌላ ምን ወግ አለው
          ከራስ ጥፋት የሚያድነው!

          አንዱ ባንዱ ዙሪያ
          ደግሞም በራሱ ዛቢያ
          በስልቱ ምህዋር እየሾረ
          በጋራ ቅዝፉ እየሰመረ
          ለዘልዓለም ሚዛን ቸክሎ ይጓዛል
          ከየቱ ዘመን አንስቶ እስከ ወየቱ ድረስም ይዘልቃል፡፡

          በቀር ዓለም ሌላ ምን ወግ አለው
          ከራስ ጥፋት የሚያድነው!
          ፖለቲካስ መቼ ሆነ ክፉ
          ካላውተበተብነው እሚገመድበት ስፉ!

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            ይህን መሳይ ቋንቋ ይህን መሳይ ግጥም
            አንብቤ ለማለፍ አንጀቴ ባይቆርጥም
            አቅሜ ባይፈቅድም መልስ ለመመለስ
            ፈቃድዎ ቢሆን አንዲት ቃል ልተንፍስ

            ለራት ላይበቃ በልጅ የተቦካ
            ሁሉም ደርሶ አዋቂ የፖለቲካ
            ፖለቲካን በዘር በጎሳ እያነካካ
            በሃይማኖት በነገድ እያቦካ
            ያላዋቂ ሳሚ ንፍጥ እያስነካ
            በግርድፉ እየከካ በሰው ምጥ እያሽካካ
            አይ የደንቆሮ ፓለቲካ!!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኩዳ ተራእዩኒ ገዛይ ‘ንዳሓረረ
    ጉዳይ ገዛይ ራሕሪሐ
    ናብ ጎረቤት ክጥምት ጀሚረ

    ኣይተዓደምኩን ብጎረባብቲ
    ጸገሞም ክፈትሕ ጣልቃ ድርግም ግዲ!
    ዋይ ክሓስም ሕማቕ ልምዲ

    ኣብ ክንዲ ዝጽውዕ ቢምቦሪ
    ብሰንኪ ባርዕ ገዛይ ተወሊዑ ጓህሪ

    መዓስ ዓጢጡኒ
    ስኻትኩም ‘ኳ ኢኹም
    ገዛኻ ኢልኩምኒ
    ‘ምበር ኣነደኣ ገዛይ ከምዘይ ኮነ
    መዓስ ጠፊኡኒ
    ኪርኪርኪር ሰሓቕ ሞይተ

    ትጎረቤት ትብልዎ ‘ዩ
    ንዓይ ዘገድሰኒ
    ወረ ‘ንታይ ግበር ትብሉኒ?
    በሃማት

  • Brhan

    Hello

    ኣንቱም ሰባት يا نس
    ኣብዚ ዝውሕዝ ዘሎ ሓሳባት الأفكار هنا تتدفق مثل نهر
    እሂን ምሂን ብናይ ጎረቤት. لكن كلها ليس عنا بل عن الجار

    (ጎረቤት ምፍትው ጽቡቕ حب الجار جميل )
    ግን ብዘይ ምሕንቃቕ). ( ولكن ليس كلحس العسل

    እንታይ ደኣ እልይ ኢላ ናይ ጉዳይና ዕላል هل الحديث عن هموم بلدنا ممل او سهل
    ተሰልችው ድያ ወይስ ኮይና ቀላል. لا يحتاج اخذ البال

    ‘ቲ ናይ ጎረቤት ደቡብ. اما حديث جار الجنوب
    ከምዚ ኢሉ ዝሃብብ مزدهر مثل الحبوب
    እንታይ ኢዩ ‘ቲ ሰበብ. ما هو السر ؟ما هو السبب
    ተዋሳእቲ ድዮም ወይስ ቲ ድራማ الحبكة ام الأبطال
    ብርዕና ምስ ኢጦጲያ ኣዝያ ሰጢማ تخلي الأقلام والدفتر
    ሕሉፍ ሓሊፉ ‘ውን በምሐርኛ ገጢማ لدرجة كتابة قصائد بلغة المستعمر

    ጉዳም መስተፋቕር! ጉዳም ሽሕር. معمول لنا عمل! معموللنا سحر
    ሕማምና ኣረሲዓ ብሕማም ተብለና ሸገርገር. ان ننسى مرضنا ونبال بمرض الجار

    • Haile S.

      Selam Brhan,

      ግጥሚ’ስ ግጥሚ ዲንቂ ወርቂ ነይሩ
      ሕልኮ ድኣ ኣእትዩልና’ምበር እግሪ ተሓንጊሩ

      ምግጣም ኣይተቋርጽ

      • Brhan

        Thanks Ustaz Haile S,

        I will but as you know better than me one must be inspired to write a poem.
        ሕልኮስ ኣይፈቱን ወላሂ
        ተዓንቂፍና ከይንኸውን ደቂ ገርሂ

        • Haile S.

          ብርሃን፡

          ሓቕኻ!
          ከምዚ ዝበለ ሕልኮስ በል የብዝሓዮ
          እግሪ ከምዘይሰብር ኣጸቢቕና ተረዲእናዮ

          Your Rosetta Stone is magnificent!

    • Hashela

      Selam Brhan

      ፍልጠት
      ብደይኣገድስ ካበይ መጽት
      ብደይኣገድስ ብየናይ ኢድ ተሰርጸት
      ብደይኣገድስ ብየናይ ቛንቛ ተገልጸት
      ሓንጎፋ ንበላ ከይነፈጸት

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brhan,

      You are really wonderful ,,Please come to Jebena page..

      Watch what the gentle man said

      “ከይበልና ካበይ መጽት
      ከይበልና ብየናይ ኢድ ተሰርጸት”

      KS,,

      • Brhan

        Dear Kokhob Salam,
        I am coming ….and I am coming with treats to the Jebena:
        ሕምባሻ ሕዚ ዶ ክመጽእ በናና
        ወይስ ኪሎ ሽኮር ካብ እንዳ መተና!

        መተና…ቀደም ዱካን ዝነበሮ የመኒ ዘኪረ!

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ሰላማት ብርሃን

          ከም ሽምካ
          ኣብራሃያ ጀበና
          ምሳና

          ትፈደል
          ኣርኪብካያ ኣብ ኣወል

          ዕምባባ ኣሎ ተምሪ
          ጽንሕ ኢሉ
          ሸዊት ዕፉን ናብ ጓህሪ
          ደስ ዝበለካ ተሓሪ!

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I am really surprised how the Ethiopians take a fake thing to a matter of death one. It sad and scary. I say this after I have observed this toxic debts and defamations. If my memory serves me right; the last election won by 100%. Believe it or not, I have never heard or read any where in the world that ever happened. So, we can agree not only the election was rigged but flat-out fake. What is the real problem for an election if is differed a few months due to the corona virus and public health? I don’t get it. What gets me is the mentality and the mindset. The people of Ethiopia know the last election and the election before that and before that, they were all rigged and fake but their mindset is this thing is real and worth fighting for. I don’t get it?
    Now, the election moved to not exact date and then what? Holding another fake and rigged election by wasting country’s resource, human capital and time? For fake election? NO! This a perfect time for PMAA to engineered a dictatorial rule. From the way I see it, Ethiopia is not well. This fake democracy, sham election and counterfeit constitution is destroying the country of 100 million people. People have no fear for the government, the army, the police and for any institution. If you want to build a nation, maintain an order and insert fear and build a mindset of your people. I understand the whites has played you for life. They throw this democracy BS on your face, fully knowing you wouldn’t know what to do with it but fight and kill each other over it. They implanted you that will hinder forever. Be smart, stay with PMAA, let him lead you and forget about this fake election and fraud democracy. Go back to the basics and start building your nation. If not, I don’t see you going far and you know what to expect.

  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    PMAA got a blank check to extend his time beyond his mandate, the fact that there was no time limit specified for his extension, it will be considered as a “coup”. The military should start to remove him from office.

    In Ethiopia COVID-19 death rate is about 1.4%, however PMAA government has been killing more than that rate. So far Ethiopia has 35 deaths from COVID-19 , however since COVID-19 touched down in Ethiopia more than 820 people have been killed by PP government, still continuing as we speak. In the last two years more than 6,000 (six thousand) people has been killed, this number is more than the last two administration combined. Where is the humanity? Where is the justice PMAA promised? The situation in Oromia and Amhara region is really scary.

    Thanks,

    • Selam Samuel,

      Calm down! It could be a sad day for tplf and its supporters, but it is not the end of the world.
      “The military should start to remove him from office.”. Maybe you are not still aware of it. It is no more tplf’s military, where more than 90% of high ranking officers were tplf. Times have changed.
      Although you people say that Covid-19 is a killer disease, and yet you insist that elections should be carried out, even if it is against all advice.
      If you say that PP is killing people, which could be armed insurgents who are killing their own people like olf-shenee, it is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of innocent unarmed people who were killed by the agazi killing machine over the 27 yrs of tplf rule. Moreover, it is said that tplf is behind these insurgencies, especially in western wollega.
      The situation in amhara and oromia will be controlled and it is not that terrible as you try to tell us. Tplf and digital woyane better not try to fish in troubled waters. The destabilization of ethiopia will not succeed. Tplf may write again to world organizations to condemn the ethiopian government, but it will be in vain. They know very well that a previously dictatorial regime can not to be trusted.

      • Samuel

        Selam Horizon,
        You said “Maybe you are not still aware of it. It is no more tplf’s military”.
        I know the deep hate you have towards one group, my advice is try to correct yourself, hate will eat you alive. By the way look the new interview released today at “Awlo media”, Samora is speaking about the military, and how it is built.

        Let me ask you this, where did all those high military rank come from? I mean, the high military rank that you see today if they were not there in the last 27 years, from where did Abiy bring them? You are such a hate mongering individual. Where did the new high military rank come from? Look, to promote a soldier into a “general rank” takes years and years of experience, thus your logic defies the facts. Where were they? You see, hate is blinded you to see the good things that have been done.

        Let me tell you my stand, I don’t care who leads the military or the ethnic mix of the military, what I care is “does the military keep the constitution and is the military capable of winning”, period. Have you seen any Tigraway opposing the military ethnic mix today? NO, any military is as good as its mission. If the mission of the military is bad then regardless how many tanks they have it doesn’t really matter, at the end they will lose.

        The mission of the military is to keep the constitution, period. You can bark however you want, but the truth is way off what you think. There could be bad apples (your own chauvinists) there, but it’s not what you think.

        You said “The situation in Amhara and Oromia will be controlled”, when will that be? Do you even have the right information what’s happening on the ground? If your sources are ESAT and the Zehabesha, then you are screwed-up. Honestly you need to have the right information, just for you own sake and judgement. You can respond anything you want to me but it doesn’t change the situation on the ground.

        Thanks,

        • Selam Samuel,
          Don’t get enraged and frustrated. All tplf should do is
          concede defeat and return to the established political arena and stop acting as a renegade and a waring front.
          You can lament the Constitution day and night, but it is as good as its practicality for the nation. That is why when needed it will be amended and interpreted, until a new government brings a new constitution to the new parliament, replacing the tplf Constitution, if it thinks so.
          You people are frozen in time, and that is one of your biggest problems. This is the 2020s. Try to adapt yourself to the times and the situation.
          The new military had vowed to protect Ethiopia and not tplf anymore, and Ethiopia will always come out a winner as long as there are no forces that stand with the enemies of the nation.
          Finally, the military is the product of Ethiopian tax payers money.

          • Samuel

            Seleam Horizon,
            You are delusional. I am just trying to help you to have a better understanding about the military and the current situation. Turning a blind eye to the urgent matters doesn’t make you a rational person. Keep your lies, you will see the result soon.

            You said “Maybe you are not still aware of it. It is no more tplf’s military”. I said, if the high military rank that you see today if they were not there in the last 27 years, from where did all the generals come them? Do you even have some kind of rationality in your mind? Your response was “the military is the product of Ethiopian tax payers money”. I am not arguing how the military is funded, I am very well aware, however the military had the right mix of individuals who can lead the country without partiality. Why can’t you argue on substance.

            Thanks,

          • Selam samuel,
            Be careful man. It is you who is getting delusional and irrational. You came with grief because Abiy had scored a big win in parliament. Now, you are getting emotional, throwing labels at people right and left. It is a sign of frustration and hopelessness.
            Don’t tell me that the generals were trained by the ragtag guerrilla fighters who had no special education or higher military training themselves. Ethiopia had military academies, and ethiopian officers were well trained, because they came out of established local and foreign military academies. The substance of the matter is that the foundation was already there before you set foot in addis. If you want credit for that, you can have it. It is immaterial at this point. You lost.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            I don’t know you in person, I have been in this site for more than eight months, the way you analyze things is really shocking. The parliament decision may seem winning for you, but it is momentarily, it will cost the country dearly. Admitting wrongdoing isn’t a weakness or ineptness, it’s the sign of maturity and willingness to correct mistakes and move forward for better.

            I don’t think you are doing this consciously, I do believe that it is rooted within your DNA. Think! Think! Think! Try to have rational argument. Your principles and values should always be validated right. If your values were right yesterday, they should remain right today.

            As I said earlier listen “Awlo media”, what General Samora has to say about the military. If you are still confused I will try to help.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            Now, you come up with DNA, principles and values. The problem is that 99.8% of human genes are the same in all human beings, therefore, don’t start counting your genes, because they are not different from other people and it will take you nowhere. Your other qualities are acquired.
            Of course, we don’t have the same principles and values. Yours are the result of tplf indoctrination, which is narrow ethno nationalism, where unity is abhorred and separatism is celebrated. Mine is founded on Ethiopian nationalism, the unity and prosperity of the country, that of equal citizens and ethnic groups living in peace and harmony, and not enemies to eachother, which is characteristic of ethno nationalists.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            Dealing with the three blind mice ( blinded by the love of the visionary leader) who are compensated handsomely by the thugs at dedebit is tiresome.

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            The site is infested. Is this why saay left?

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            You and everybody else is welcome, without prejudice. Make the most out of the opportunity and discuss your case, but don’t complain unless your rights to engage are curtailed, which is not the case. See, if this website was like the forces we oppose, it would be exclusive for you-know-who. But that is not the case. Such service is thankless, we know, but please give credit where it is due… and expect seasons to change. Groups come and go but they should not complain that his opponents are having equal rights as his. Thanks for your consideration.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Did I try to exclude a certain group? Sorry I will try to be more inclusive and nicer in the future. Now are you speaking as a moderator or participant?

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            There are productive ways to engage. Don’t be edgy and confrontational. That’s because if others reply in kind, the discussion becomes useless bickering. Lb arig wendim.

            And take it as it is, moderator or participant. Don’t try to intimidate me when I am the host. Not good.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Of course I deny ever attempting to intimidate you. Is that even possible? Maybe a generational gap. No hard feelings I hope because that is not my intention. Case closed?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሳልሕ,

            ከምቲ ብቆልዕቶም ከለው ምስ ደቂ ገዛውቶም ጥራይ ክዋስኡ ዝደልዩ ዝነበሩ: ሕጂውን ምስ ዓበዩ ምስ ኣተሓሳስብኦም ዝሰመማዑ ጥራይ እዮም ክዋስኡ ዝደልዩ:: ኣብ ብዝሔ ሓሳባት ዘለዎ “መኣዲ” ክዋስኡ የሸግሮም እዩ:: ስለዝኾኑ ከአ እዩ: ንካብ ሓሳባቶም ዝተፈልየ ሓሳባት ዘለዎም ሰባት: መዓት ጸርፍን ጸለመን ከውርድሎም ትዕዘብ ዘላኻ:: ምሕረት ኣእምሮ ይፍጠረሎም ጥራይ’ዩ ዝበሃል ዓርኩ::

            Regards

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      Abiy got no the brains and that is precisely the reason he is no Meles nor is he Mengistu precisely because he is indecisive. Thing is, he is trying to find the combination of the two in the deranged old man Isaias who is not even able to lead his own country much less to lend an advice on how to run a big country with over one hundred million people of diverse persuasions, languages, cultures and ethnic stock as well.

      The simple and yet critical question is–how does the nation move forward? The last King and the last military junta had been to the same cross-roads and they tried to solve problems through violence and military means and we well know what their fate had been. At that time however, there were cool headed people who clearly understood the ramifications of violence and offered an advice on how to move the nation into the right direction by other means. And it was of course in vain. If Isaias, Abiy or other absolutely clueless folks are hoping the people of Tigrai will eventually revolt against TPLF, well all indications show that is not going to happen. In fact to the contrary, the people and the Front have never been closer. Moreover, all the retired Tigrean Generals, Colonels are in Tigrai and they are not only battle hardened people but they understand the politics clearly as well. Invasion Abiy can declare with a Federal Army which still have thousands of Tigrean soldiers in it and it will be a toll order If he thinks they will be excited to kill their own people. The way forward is a political solution for it is a political problem and that is precisely the reason politics is said to be the art of the possible.

      • Abi

        Paul
        Slow down a bit brother. You and Sami have already logged more than enough to secure your bonus for this month.

        • Paulos

          Sure thing bro. Sure thing.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Ras Abiy; it is high time they earn their money. I know you worried for the safety of the Digitalis but it is now or never. This TPLF thing is over. Even General Samora Yonus is in 4-kilo with PMAA. He jumped the sinking boat. When TPLF, a Killil government sends a momo to the international institutions and to the international community; you know this a desperation that went out of hand.

          • Abi

            General
            It is now or never. The looted money is dwindling fast. It is not going to be replenished any more. As you said the thugs lost the tank and the bank all at the same time .
            The Visionary leader worshippers are logging fast and furious.

        • Haile S.

          ኣባ ትልቁ፡

          ለ-TPLF ብት’ገዙ ብታሩፉበት
          እስቲ ጀታው፡ ምን ነበረበት?

          ዘመነ መሳፍንት 120 ዓመት ሰፈነ፡ ከሚካኤል ሰሑል በኋላ
          ተመልሶ እንዳይመጣ እባካችሁ TPLF-ን በሉት ችላ

          ከመቀሌ ለምናችሁ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ኣስቀምጡት
          ይቅርታ ጠይቃችሁ ወህኒ ተራራ ግቡለት

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Great poem. Short and to the point. Thanks. Was hoping you would get back to us with the question if Tigrinya poetry rhymes stronger than other languages. I guess you’ve been busy.

            Here is great news coming from Asmara. On Monday, the fearless ፈንቅል guys and gals [not the fictional ones in Tigrai] distributed over 12000 pamphlets around ጎዳይፍ፣ ገጀረት፣ ሰታንታ-ኦቶ and ማይጮሆት titled, “ውሁድ ቃልሲ ፈንቅል፣ ግዝኣት ህግደፍ የብቅዕ!”

            They also reported that there was a shoot out when the PFDJ security guys tried to catch them but thankfully no one was hurt and escaped the scene around ማይጮሆት unscathed. Good things are coming!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Yes still busy. Those kind of subjects need deep reflexion. Besides many have touched upon it. I will say one or two things later along with a sweet poem from the books. Having said that I cannot resist and staying away from this august forum.
            ደግሞ ከጀታው ጋ እንዳታጣላኝ። ወርቁ ኣይስተውም። ኣንተ “እንዳ ኣባ መጣዕ” ወይም ደጋ እስጢፋኖስ ሂደህ ቅኔ ተማር ብየህ ነበር!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እንለምናለን እንጂ ምን ገዶን
            እምቢኝ ካሉም ተለማምጠን
            ካኮረፉም አባብለን
            ነቄም ካሉ አሳስቀን
            ወህኒ ቤቱን በሩን ከፍተን

        • Aligaz G

          Abi,

          Agreed. They have definitely earned their pay this news cycle.

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            They are working overtime. They have a rollover plan that counts towards next month.
            ቶሎ ቶሎ መሰብሰብ ነው ምንጩ ሳይደርቅ

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Paulos

        1. – “Abiy got no the brains and that is precisely the reason he is no Meles nor is he Mengistu precisely because he is indecisive.”

        A. – Then, how did “the brainless Abiy” outfoxed the super brainiac Woyanes?

        B. – If the Woyanes are outfoxed and quarantined im Mekele by a “brainless and absolute cluess” Abiy, does that make the Woyanes still smarter than Abiy?

        C. – Would you’ve supported Abiy, if he has handled those who didn’t “comply with the law”, the way Haileselassie, Mengistu, or Meles did? If not, then why are you opposing Abiy?

        2. – “The last King and the last Military Junta had been to the same cross-roads and they tried to solve problems through violence and military means and we well know what their fate had been.”

        What have Haileselassie and Mengistu done that the Woyanes didn’t do? I’m serious!

        3. – “If Isaias, Abiy or other absolutely clueless folks are hoping the people of Tigrai will eventually revolt against TPLF, well, all indications show that is not going to happen. In fact to the contrary, the people and the Front have never been closer.”

        This is not a factual statement. It is an opinion – wishful as that. The brutal fact is, there were always anti TPLF Tigreans even before Abiy came to the scene – they were just denied political space.

        4. – “Moreover, all the retired Tigrean Generals, Colonels are in Tigrai and they are not only battle hardened people but they understand the politics clearly as well. Invasion Abiy can declare with a Federal Army which still has thousands of Tigrean soldiers in it and it will be a tall order If he thinks they will be excited to kill their own people.”

        You said “the retired Tigrean Generals and Colonels in Tigrai, and the thousands of Tigrean soldiers in the Ethiopian Federal Army, won’t be exited to kill their own people”. What makes you think the other Ethiopian soldiers will kill their own countrymen (Tigreans)? Aren’t you seeing Tigreans and other Ethiopians differently?

        5. – “The way forward is a political solution for it is a political problem and that is precisely the reason politics is said to be the art of the possible.”

        A. – What is peaceful solution to you?

        B. – If Ethiopia is a regional federal country like the USA – rather than ethno-linguistic federal country like it is now, would that satisfy the Woyanes? Why/Why not?

        Semere Tesfai

        • Paulos

          Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

          You say you are serious. I don’t see you being serious at all. All I read in you was a joke. I am serious!

          • Abi

            Paul
            እንዲህ ነው ማፈግፈግ!!
            እስቲ ሳሚን አማክረውና መልስ ብጤ ጫር ጫር አድርጉ:: እንዲህማ አትፈረጥጥም!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            It is just sad to see you being drawn to the gutter. Serious people talk serious issues where Kaddis’ brilliant piece recently posted on “Ethiopia Insight” is case in point. The rest is nonesence. Complete nonesense!

          • Abi

            Paul
            The feeling is mutual brother. I hate to see a seemingly smart brother blinded by የዘር ፖለቲካ.
            Kaddis has always been a weyane cadre under profound stress.
            Nothing special about him or his article.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You say Kaddis has always been a Weyane cadre? That is news to me. In any case, all the best!

          • Abi

            Paul
            You haven’t paid enough attention.
            You missed his debate against Sir Amde a while back. Amde got him good! He has always been a weyane cadre.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras Abiy; Kaddis is die hard TPLF thugs supporter. his support was so blatant Once i asked him if he was a Tigryan and he said he was from Gurage-Silte. i don’t how a Silte Gurage could end up as TPLF cadre, i have no idea.

          • Kaddis

            Nitricc hoy,

            You may not be familiar with self rule or determination – Ethiopia had few chances to exercise and the first one was for Silte to decide with a referendum not to identify themselves as Gurage …surprised right? Yeah we thought everybody loves gurage but learnt its not about love …and ironically the first Ambassador to Eritrea Abiy sent to Asmara was the guy who successfully pushed the sitle out of gurage campaign Redwan Hussien, also info minister …as expected Isiass didnt like him and sent him back after a year …you know the story

            I am Sodo gurage, living in Addis

          • Aligaz G

            Kmekele mussina sefer,

            The beauty of internet anonymity is that you can even be yourself. Try it you might find it liberating. Sodo gurage from mercato bs – lol

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kaddis, my bad. I mixed it up with the information i had. Now i remember; The Ambassador is from Silte. by the way, if you can, can you educate us what the differnce is between Silte, Sedo or if any other typs of Gurage. I heard Gurage are originally from Eritrea. is it true?

          • Kaddis

            Selam Nitric –

            I am not an expert as Addis only gurage …there is random stories Gurage ( only the sodo one, also called Kistane because its primarily christian i guess ) come from a place called Guurea, bordering Eritrea or inside.The commonality is the semetic language of sodo gurage ( like tigrigna, Amharic and Hadere ..). I have never heard any substantial claim or tracing back of sodo gurage to Eritrea except the language similarities

            Sodo Gurage ( main city Buta jira, mean “is buta there” in oromifa) is also very close to Oromo clans , like sodo gordana, sodo Jida etc…its common to have these things when you border or encircled by big communities like Oromo.

            The other Gurage line, like ሰባት ቤት gurage, እነሞር, እነቆር, እዣetc.main city Wolqite…I dont think their language is semetic based, they are mixed religiously and the dialect among themselves is very strong. Siltes are very tight muslim community, claim their roots from around Harar and defined their self rule – in early 90s as non gurages.

            In general the southern nations have a lot of commonalities on the way they eat ( enset, kitfo and qocho is very common ) dance, their calendar etc…although some say there is a tense kushitic and omotic divide and some historical grievances among communities in slavery, wars, discrimination etc that needs to be treated. I love going to the south, the energy is like Kenya or Tanzania level ..

          • Nitricc

            Kaddis; thank you very much. you have cleared it up for me. thank you.

          • Kaddis

            Lij Abi –

            From my article – I know you like one liners …reading once in a while aygodam …

            … However, the decision made after the 2005 election to fill the civil service and even the executive with political loyalists without
            consideration to merit started to show its downside the moment the
            state-led economy started producing returns. Corruption, cronyism, and repression rotted the regime, including the justice sector. The result was a lopsided system that handed 99.6 percent of the seats in parliament to EPRDF control—Meles and allies had created a de facto one-party state in under half a decade, as they had begun to do in the late 1990s.

            From there, the civil service became subordinate to the parallel
            party structure, the youth became increasingly frustrated at the lack of opportunities, and the EPRDF’s smothering system of societal control. The result was by 2014 demonstrations started that eventually led to the prime minister resigning four years later…

          • David Samson

            Selam Kadiss,

            Generally speaking, Habsha’s politics bowls down to George W Bush’s single liner. “If you are not with us, you must be then against us”. You cannot be your own person, but to follow the herds, and the herds are divided equally into two. Why are you trying to convenience people who see politics in Black and white?

          • Abi

            David
            It is not like “with us or against us “ situation.
            If someone is consistently arguing for Tplf for the last 8 years ( that is how far back I knew Kaddis) , that person is most likely a Tplf activist.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abi,

            I am feeling the heat from Habsha’s politics, so I need to seek asylum and quarantine my self from until the virus disappears. My team is facing the mighty City on the first-day, and we might get the thumping, but better feeling than the black and white politics.

          • Abi

            David
            I agree with you 💯!
            I have to admit The noisy neighbors are a delight to watch.

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            You support Arsenal? To describe how bad your team i give you one name – David Luiz. Get ready for weeping and gnashing of teeth

          • Kaddis

            Hi David

            I was not – i only copy pasted , didnt take much ; )

          • Abi

            Kaddis
            It is a great start. You might redeem yourself.

          • Kaddis

            Abi

            Me redeeming so that you are happy : – ) So predictably entitled. I will take you seriously when you come live in your home town Azezo …..in the meantime I will keep following TPLF’s Tigray where one third of the country’s power base is located, because my life depends on it.

          • Abi

            Kaddis
            ባቀረብከው ሃሳብ ተስማምቻለሁ::
            መቼስ ውሻ በበላበት አይደል የሚጮህ?
            ታዲያ መጠሪያህን “ከደደቢት” በለዋ ለምን ግራ ተጋብተህ ግራ ታጋባናለህ?

          • Kaddis

            Lij Abi –

            Its lame to always expect others to feel bad about being rich ..if በበላበት implies I got benefited from Tplf. Yes I benefited from EPRDF time rule.of 27 years.. have properties, cars, traveled fairly Europe, US, Asia, Africa ..I was supposed to come to the US in Sept with my kids ( first time for them, still hopeful ) yeah enjoyed the good and bad, close families, nannies, eder, equb, grand families, Mesqel, fasika, chembelala, erecha, ashenda ( almost forgot)….yeah I chose to live in Ethiopia and its worth every moment …when the time comes and if your idol Isias’s puppet Abiy makes the country unlivable yes I may change my location .. I will ask your advise on how to immigrate gracefully ; -)

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kaddis,

            I follow your posts carefully for information and your opinion. In that light, could you elaborate a little more on what ….”the country’s power base is located ” mean.
            Are you talking about military bases or other power centers.

            Thanks,

            Mr. K.H

          • Kaddis

            Selam Kim –
            Its not only me but this kind of categorization, three power bases in Ethiopia, has been entertained since three years now …from Jawar to his arch enemy ex ESAT Ermias

            The power bases are more of a sphere of influence that came
            through controlling the federal power ( military included ) and bureaucracy, administrative and education, language culture – this is the Amharic urban center, the Oromo – they formed it through continuity of struggle, mass mobilization and disposing the federal power and Tigray: by winning the war, retaining hard power and being the core state.

            I think this is the first time this grouping or power circles looks clearly defined; including their outlook how Ethiopia should
            look like, own influential media and loyal audience. As any power bases – having the hard power makes it easier to protect ones position. Abiy tried to move the Northern military base from Tigray knowing his plans to undermine regional powers, it didn’t work. Tigray refused. Military bases, in Amharic Ezz, I heard are like small towns with air defense systems, mechanized army,
            military schools etc…which have a life of its own. I am sure if they gave up the military asset and left the border to Eritrea open – they may not lose being the power base but makes the country unstable.

            The fact that Oromia federalist power has no hard power
            capability shows venerability to human right abuses and struggle to assert its position. So the argument is trying to negotiate with these power bases makes sense than inviting Isias, Egypt, the gulf, the west to change these realities. Ignoring their demand is making Ethiopia more unstable. I think the other small or not so small ( like Somali) regions will be swing states or states that the big powers fight over…if at all I make sense ; – )
            Cheers,

          • no one

            ሰላም አቶ አበበ፣

            እስኪ ዶክተር ጳውሎስን ወክየ ልመልሰዎት። የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ምርጫው እንደድሮው በክፍልሃገር መተዳደር ከሆነ ይምርጫ እድሎን ስጡት እና የትኛውን ፖለቲከኛ እንደሞመርጥ ይታይ። ልክ ነው የኣማራ ሕዝብ መላላክ ሰለሚወድ (የ ኣዲፓ መሪዎች እንዳሉት) ፊድርራሊዝምን ላይመርጥ ይችላል በተረፈ ግን ሊላው ሕዝብ ኣሁን ያለውን ፊደራሊዝም እንደሚመርጥ የታወቀ ነው። ለዚህም ማሳያው በቅርብ ጊዜ የተረገው የወላይታ ሕዝብ መርጫ ትልቁ ምሳሌ ነው። ይህም ብቻ ሳይሆን በዛው በደቡብ ሕዝቦች የሚገኙ ሌሎች ብሔሮች የሚጠይቁት እራስን የማስተዳደር ጥያቄ ትልቁ ምሳሌ ነው።
            በኤትዮጵያ ውስጥ ቋንቋን መሰረት ያደረገ ፊደራሊዝም ችግር ሆኖ አያውቅም ነገርግን ሕዝብን ያለፍላጎት በግድ የራሰን ሓሳብ ማስተግበር ግን ደሮም የነበረ ኣሁንም ያለ ሃሳብ ነው። በተለይ በኣማራው በኩል ለዘል አለም የነበረ የውሽት ታሪክና ተረት በአሁኑ ስአት ኣማራው የውሽት ታሪክ ይዞ እንዲማል እና ከሊላው ብሔር ጋር እንዲጣላ እያደረገው ነው።
            ለኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ዋናው መፍትሒ ሕጋዊና ፍትሓዊ ምርጫ ማካሄድ ነው ሌላው የእኒ ኣቅልሃለው እካሄድ የትም እንደማያደርስ ኣይተነዋ በቅርቡም እናያዋለን።

            ንርኢ ርኢና ክኸውን እዮ ነገሩ።

            እሩብላ መጣ ሰማይ ለሰማይ
            ከጎንደር በበታች ኣዞዞ ነው ወይ።

            ብሏል ኣባባ ዘመላክ።

          • Abi

            Selam Ato no one
            I respond to your comment when you become someone. In the mean time welcome to Awatenation.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Do you know the expressions ‘to take a french leave’ and the French’s retaliatory expression ‘Filer à l’anglaise’? You almost did it:-).

          • Teodros Alem

            paulos
            when u gonna come out from this Stone age mentality? 5 mins ago I just saw two eritrean women arguing about eritrea poltics, thier political beliefs and views of these two girls r so different but they argue like a 21st century person spouse to argue. but u dragged the entire tigrai people and other “hudam” individuals to behave like Stone age time and u trying and working hard to drag other people in to stone age time.
            u can find the video “nasser nuru” YouTube and they started the conversation by saying” well well well, look who is here”, something like that.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            You are a Philosopher and Tegadalai Semere is using basic Logic 101 and a basic Deductive approach .
            You on record telling us the brutal and the killer Col Menghistu is more Intelligent and Decisive than Dr AAA’!

        • Nitricc

          1. – “Abiy got no the brains and that is precisely the reason he is no Meles nor is he Mengistu precisely because he is indecisive.”

          A. – Then, how did “the brainless Abiy” outfoxed the super brainiac Woyanes?

          Hahahahaha that is priceless!!!!
          Hey Semere thanks for the lough. There are very telling action that were taken by TPLF thugs that indicates they are falling apart. There are many ways and easy can be solved but TPLF ego couldn’t let them and of course they are doing this to avoid accountability. anyway they are done, finally.

        • Samuel

          Selam Semere Tesfai,
          The way PMAA got to power has nothing to do with “smartness”, it was the rule of the party. He played within the rules of the game, there is nothing special. After he joined OPDO they knew him from the beginning he was against EPRDF, but they didn’t know he will sell/compromise the country’s interest to this level.

          The question is why didn’t he become loyal to what he sworn-in? If you think that his unfaithfulness to what he sworn-in will make him smart, then I will leave the others to judge. A leader should be judged by what he achieved to his people and country. The country that PMAA is leading don’t have peace, or development. I guess when you live in PFDJ world you may not have the reference/concept of peace and development.

          When he was EPRDF, he was given every opportunity to become who he is today, he was considered as independent individual who can make his own decisions. Thus, TPLF has no choice but accept the EPRDF vote. Could they have done any different, yes, but it will take the country to another unrest and violence.

          Thus, your questions don’t really mean anything.

          Thanks,

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Samuel

            1. – “The way PMAA got to power has nothing to do with “smartness”, it was the rule of the party. He played within the rules of the game, there is nothing special. After he joined OPDO they knew him from the beginning he was against EPRDF, but they didn’t know he will sell/compromise the country’s interest to this level.”

            Dr. Abiy came to the helm because Ethiopia was crying hemorrhaging and begging for change. Ethiopians didn’t like “the rules of the game” that was instituted by the Woyanes. ደም ከየውጻእኩም ሕጎሙኒ – ዝበሃል ነገር ድማ የለን. You can’t keep the status-quo and bring change all at the same time – you just can’t. And Dr Abiy brought the needed fundamental change to Ethiopian politics; you just don’t like the change he brought.

            2. – “The question is why didn’t he become loyal to what he sworn-in? If you think that his unfaithfulness to what he sworn-in will make him smart, then I will leave the others to judge.

            Because prime minister Desalegn tried that and the Ethiopian people didn’t accept it – and got even more furious. And Dr. Abiy is smart enough to know that. Is that too complicated.

            3. – “When he was EPRDF, he was given every opportunity to become who he is today, he was considered as independent individual who can make his own decisions. Thus, TPLF has no choice but accept the EPRDF vote. Could they have done any different, yes, but it will take the country to another unrest and violence.”

            Admit it. The Woyanes thought they were having another Desalegn. Little did they know Abiy was three steps ahead of them. And the rest is history. Get over it!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            I see you are trapping the three blind mice 🐁 🐁 🐁 one by one. One run away with a tail tucked between his legs. ሁለቱ ከበላይ አካል መመሪያ እየተጠባበቁ ነው::
            Next time use glue. I like to see them tied down and respond to your punches.
            Rooting for you!

          • Hashela

            Selam Semere

            Thanks for skillfully skinning the cat (ሓኽሊ ድሙ)!

          • no one

            Selam Semere and other PFDJst,

            PFDJst are always against the reality whether it is in Eritrea or Ethiopia as soon as it opposes their dectatorial system. Language based federalism in Ethiopia is accepted by all Kilel except Amhara Kilel. The best show case for it is Welayta Kilel. The recent land slied referendem in the south region in on of the best real example, not only that but also the request of other ehtnics to be Killel is another example.
            If the Ethiopian people wants to have a unitary system just give them a chance to elect their leader and you will see what kind of leader they will choose. Abiy want to stay in power with any means but not democraticaly. Extendeing your life in power illegaly will help or not, time will tell us.

            The real thing in Ethiopian politics is language based federalisim nobody wants to be adminstered by other ethnic.Trying to take this chance will be playing with fire.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam no one

            “Language based federalism in Ethiopia is accepted by all Kilel except Amhara Kilel. The best show case for it is Welayta Kilel. The recent land slied referendem in the south region in on of the best real example, not only that but also the request of other ehtnics to be Killel is another example.”

            “The real thing in Ethiopian politics is language based federalisim nobody wants to be adminstered by other ethnic.Trying to take this chance will be playing with fire.”

            Fair enough! Now, just for the sake of argument, let’s say you’re right and I’m wrong. “Language based federalism is the way to go, and language based federalism is accepted by all Kilels except the Amhara Kilel.” Now…………

            A. – Would you allow the Tigrean Kunamas and the Tigrean irob to have their own Killil – or you’re going to play with fire on that? You know: ‘you’ve to practice what you preach’ as they say – if you really mean it. Right?

            B. – Would you allow the people of Raya and Wolqait to hold referendum, to decide whether to stay with Tigray or join the Amara Killil? Or you’re “going to play with fire” on that?

            C. – If I’m not mistaken, there are about 80 ethno-linguistic communities in Ethiopia. Now what is the criteria to qualify/disqualify a community from having its own Killil? Assuming all ethnolinguistic communities are equal under the law of the land?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Semere Tesfay,

            You can’t make 200 kilil. The small ones will form “nation & nationalities”. Check the experience of other countries like India. Second, even if you want the regional administrative units, still the small ones you are mentioning will be lumped with the large social groups. So in that case it does not make any difference whether it is regional or linguistic on the small social groups. The solution to the issue of governance is how do the Ethiopian social groups want to be governed. As of now except the Amara social group the rest favor the current federal arrangement. Samray, it is not what you want, it is what the Ethiopian people want. Realities matter and Check reality on the ground.

            Regards

            Regards

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            It said that 70-80 % of the people in WolKait speak Tigrinya, but 100% of them speak Amarina.

            It is understandable that people see that the Etho-Linguistic system was designed for two purposes:

            – land grab (Raya and Walkayit)
            – instigating permanent conflicts and blood shed for the benefit of one group

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Beautifully said!
            የማያፍር ድሙ ማን ነበር ስሙ?
            አማን ያውልህ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            Not only the Wolkait social group, the entire Ethiopian social groups speak Amarina 100%, because it is a national and official language of the nation for decades. Nothing new to our argument. Your view and reasoning on the ethno-linguistic matter and the nature of governance, I beg disagree.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Which number do you think is not right? The 100% or the 70-80%?

            You said ” … could not be right*” and “*Let’s avoid unsubstantiated figures and statistics”. I agree and I ask you to provide us government data that contradict the figure mentioned above.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            Actually both.

            It is you who brought the figure. You need to substantiate yourself to the questionable data. First, for me I don’t take as accurate figures that say from this to this ( 70-80%). Ranges are not accurate, it is only remains as estimates that could be given by any. Debate on estimates does not bring us to common understandings.

            Second I don’t believe on the 100% either, for it is not true that everyone in the wolkait population speaks Amara. The safest way to say could be the majority. Even with that, someone could ask how did you get that majority. So avoid un substentiatable figures in a debate, unless you could do it,

            Regards

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            First, let me clarify that when I mean Walkayit I mean the three woredas ( Kafta Humera, Wolkayt, and Tzegede) that did not belong to Tigray admin zone before TPLF designed and implemented their ethno-linguistic system. The number I mentioned is based on the census of 1994. Keep in mind that these data were collected and processed when TPLF was of full control of everything. So there is a good chance of data manipulation. With regard to the relatively large range of the aggregated data is due to the fact that the demographic data in Tzegede are different than Kafta Humera, meaning the data are not spatially homogeneous.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Hashela,

            I have answered to your figure (a) any figure that falls on “ranges” are estimated data. Any one can give any estimate figure because it is subjective, and not true figure (b) wolkait speak Amhara 100% is not fact, for there could be some who don’t speak Amhara from them. I don’t believe on such kind of data from any sources including TPLF and PFDJ, because it is fake, for the reasons I gave you. Last but not least, unless they change the current ethnolinguistic federalism wolkait as Tigrigna speaking will remain with tigray.

            Hashela, don’t forget on the borders of Gijam and Wollega as well as on the borders of Bale and Hararighe do have the same issue. It is not only on the borders of Tigray and Begemdir on which your point of argument is focused. The Ethiopian social groups so far do favor the current arrangement except the Amara social group. That is fact. Ask the Ethiopian Somali kilil, the Oromo kilil, the Southern kilil that includes the sidama people, the Ethiopian afars. they all favor for the current arrangement. This idea of federalism was the idea of Oromo liberation front during the drafting of the constitution lead by Kifle Widajo. But I understand the nature of the politicking and the reason behind it without going to details.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Thank you, a civil discourse is always appreciated.

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            3 points
            1, who say tigragn belongs to tigrai? Eritrea also speaks way way beautiful tigragn.
            2, those who speak tigragn as first language in walkyet r not originally from walkyet.
            3, in what ever case tigrai role in ethiopia will be according to tigrai importance and based on tigrai gdp, there is no if or but on it. no amount of big mouth or pathetic so called history will change tigrai very minimal or irralavent role.
            4, if u have to choose, which one u choose from covide 19/corona and unitary gov in ethiopia? I know u said u r “eritrean”? but which one u choose?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela& & Abi (ትግርኛ ተማር)

            Ethnic-linguistic federation

            ንትግራይ ዝተሰፍየ ገጥ ዝበለ ጥቢቆ
            ንኻልእ ገፊሕዎ ሸተት እናለ ዝሞልቆ
            ሕጂ፥
            ነቲ ቀዳማይ ጸቢብዎ ምንቅስቓስ ከሊእዎ
            እቲ ዳሕራይ ነናቱ ከስፊ ይፍትን ውሒጥዎ

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            brilliantly captured!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Bingo Prof Hashela!
            Neti Bitter truth Kem zello sile ziderguahkayo!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Srr er mete.
            That is EXACTLY what and how Dr AAA argued in the Parliament on these sticky issues!
            He brilliantly argued against the fake argument on the TPLF’s lame and treacherous argument on the issue of respecting the fake Constitution. …. telling them that their constitution was,in fact,UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
            I will look for the clip link.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Semere:
            That is EXACTLY what and how Dr AAA argued in the Parliament on these sticky issues!
            He brilliantly argued against the fake argument on the TPLF’s lame and treacherous argument on the issue of respecting the fake Constitution. …. telling them that their constitution was,in fact,UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
            I will look for the clip link.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Semere:
            That is EXACTLY what and how Dr AAA argued in the Parliament on these sticky issues!
            He brilliantly argued against the fake argument on the TPLF’s lame and treacherous argument on the issue of respecting the fake Constitution. …. telling them that their constitution was,in fact,UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
            I will look for the clip link.

          • Samuel

            Selam Semere Tesfai,
            You asked “there are about 80 ethno-linguistic communities in Ethiopia. Now what is the criteria to qualify/disqualify a community from having its own Killil – assuming all ethnolinguistic communities are equal under the law of the land?

            In short Yes they can. The question will be “is it practical?” I will give you the statistical facts and I will leave the rest for you to have your own verdict.

            Based on 2007 census Irob has total population of 26K, Kunama has about 5K. The question you need to ask to yourself is “is it feasible” to own a State
            1. Having that population size and geographic location and land size?
            2. Considering the amount of budget, human resource and security it requires to own a State.
            For some ethnic groups it’s impractical to have their own State, its better to be part of the bigger one.

            In my opinion in such kind of proportionality its better to have “majority rule minority rights respected”, but let me hear yours. Considering self-determination demand of ethnic groups in Ethiopia, I believe ethnic federalism is only feasible solution.

            Another misconception is even though the federal arrangement is ethnic based however the reality its both Geography and Ethnic. If you take the South for example it is Geographic based, but whenever ethnic groups are ready to become a regional State the option is there. Sidema and Wolayta for example.

            In Ethiopia practically you can’t have more than 20 possible States, yes it is possible to have 80+ States, but based on facts I provided below the rational assessment will be it is impractical to have 80+ states.

            Note that when the census is done you will be asked how you identify yourself, so it’s up you to identify however you want. When the census was done this was the identification statistics in Tigray.

            Tigrayan 96.55%
            Amhara 1.63%
            Irob 0.71%
            Afar 0.29%
            Agaw 0.19%
            Oromo 0.17%
            Kunama 0.07%

            How do you define “Nation, Nationality or People” in Ethiopia?
            Based on Ethiopia constitution Article 39/5:-

            A “Nation, Nationality or People” for the purpose of this Constitution, is a group of people who have or share large measure of a common culture or similar customs, mutual intelligibility of language, belief in a common or related identities, a common psychological make-up, and who inhabit an identifiable, predominantly contiguous territory.

            For example I speak Amharic fluently, but I identify myself as Tigraway, thus because I speak Amharic doesn’t qualify me to belong to Amhara ethnic group. Thus, I make the decision how I should identify, no one should decide for me. My point is, it is up to the individual how to identify him/herself. Census is very important.

            The following is outside the scope of your questions, but I have added it just to help other readers to have familiarity with Ethiopia budgeting and admin structure.

            Based on the current federal arrangement, the lowest administrative level/unit is Woreda, meaning each Woreda have their own budget and administrative body they can manage.
            Woreda ===> Zone ===> State ===> Sovereign Nation.

            A Woreda has to request the State to become a Zone, the Zone has to request referendum to become a regional State, the regional State has to request referendum to become a Sovereign Nation.

            I hope this helps to clarify certain ambiguity.

            Thanks,

          • Lebam

            Hello Samuel

            Very well written post. I would like to discuss the part bellow.

            “Note that when the census is done you will be asked how you identify yourself, so it’s up you to identify however you want.”

            “For example I speak Amharic fluently, but I identify myself as Tigraway, thus because I speak Amharic doesn’t qualify me to belong to Amhara ethnic group. Thus, I make the decision how I should identify, no one should decide for me. My point is, it is up to the individual how to identify him/herself. Census is very important”

            I am raised in Sweden, talk and write Swedish better than most “ethnically Swedish” people at work. Can I decide to become Swedish, and will I be accepted as one? That is a rhetorical question.

            I can become culturally Swedish and get assimilated, but I will still never become Swedish, nor will I be viewed like one as a black man.

            One can make the argument that we can fit in with different ethnic groups better in Eritrea/Ethiopia, because we look a like. However, facts remain the same. You cannot change who you are, nor can you force yourself to become someone you’re not, (you can, but it is a slippery slope down to the abyss).

            My racist coworker made a comment about this very thing 4, or so years ago. He said, “can a cat that sleeps at a horse stabe become a horse”.

            That said, I don’t think you can choose how you identify yourself fully, but I believe you can identify yourself as many things, which most of us that are born in the western world probably do.

          • Samuel

            Thank you, Lebam.
            I agree with your statement “I don’t think you can choose how you identify yourself fully, but I believe you can identify yourself as many things, which most of us that are born in the western world probably do.” — I like the qualifiers you have used “fully and many”.

            There are different forms of identification, even within Ethnic identification you can identify yourself with many cultures, it shouldn’t be an issue. Ethnic identity isn’t something one acquire from his family, yes family can influence you since your childhood with which culture to associate yourself, but you can change that later in life if you need to. I do believe that cultural identity does change over time. As economists say “Human need and want is unlimited”. We just have to accommodate those needs thru different means.
            Ethnic identity can be strong with some individuals/groups, but not with some individuals/groups. It has different reasons for that.

            Struggle can strengthen your identity and your belongingness too, for example the Tigray struggle has created its own identity that can unite us into a political interest. It has created a strong sense of who we are, it became part of our narrative that drives us to achieve something bigger.

            Politics is about individual interest, the sum of those individual interests can grow to create a group, that group will create a polity to have organized narrative to demand their interest. Depending on the question they have it may lead to nationalism/independence or other forms of struggle like “Black Lives Matter”.

            Is identifying yourself important? Why do you identify yourself? In my opinion I would say yes. It could have three reasons.
            1. Political reason === This could be Justice related
            2. Economic reason === This could be schools, employment related
            3. Both political and economic === This is political entity, or Nationalism.

            Every demographic data has both political and economic equation behind it, thus identifying yourself correctly is important.

            You said — “I can become culturally Swedish and get assimilated, but I will still never become Swedish, nor will I be viewed like one as a black man.”

            I think what you are talking here is more of Race than Ethnicity, yes both are related but Race is more of distinct and easily recognizable. Race is associated biological identifications like (skin, hair, DNA, physical look, etc). Within that Race there is Ethnicity. As we have discussed it earlier Ethnicity is associated with “cultural expression and psychological make-up”. Generally, there is always Ethnicity within a Race. People can tell your Race easily but not your Ethnicity (cultural association), because Ethnicity is more of internal feeling identification, I think.

            To extend your question, In my opinion as long as you are black I don’t think people will see as Swedish (one of them), you can’t change that because that is Race (biological) related, however you can make an impact by introducing your own culture (if you have one) to others or you can assimilate to where you are. You need to have a culture that you feel proud of regardless where you are, that culture can be from Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sweden or Kenya, whatever you feel proud of.

            Thanks,

          • Lebam

            Selamat, Samuel.

            Very well said, and I agree that race and ethnicity is different. I should have separated the two clearer.

            In the 80s when there hardly were any immigrants in Sweden, they complained about the Finnish (Finland) population and wanted to send them back home for taking their jobs among others. We blacks were more liked from my experience. However, 30 years later the tables has changed greatly. It did so already in the 90s to be perfectly honest.

            I have two points I want to raise based on what I wrote above.

            1. Ethnic based rasism is as prevalent as race based racism.

            2. There will always be someone to blame for the misfortunes we experience as humans whether it’s right, or wrong. It is in our nature.

            I agree with you 100% that struggle can strengthen your identity. To answer your question. Identifying myself is important, because of justice like you pointed out, but mainly because I want to belong.

            See, we humans crave certain emotions, and being treated like an outsider your whole life will trigger the need of belonging. For myself that ment many things. From following up my ancestors in different ways, to DNA tests.

            I do not agree with that we aren’t born into an ethnic group. We can choose where we belong if integrated/assimilated. However, who you are born as defines you from the get go and is unchangeable.

          • Samuel

            Selam Lebam,
            I agree. It’s interesting story about the Finnish and Blacks, it shows how discrimination changes thru time and conditions. I agree that discrimination will live with us with different forms, we have to keep the struggle to create a way to manage it.

            We can choose where we belong if integrated/assimilated. However, who you are born as defines you from the get go and is unchangeable

            I agree, our parents/family cultural base defines our identity greatly;

            Last but not least, wherever we are we have to keep our cultural heritage, use our language, participate in cultural events, know our history and teach our kids the same. If possible try to visit your home country as frequent as possible.

            Thank you for your input.

            Thanks,

          • Lebam

            Selam Samuel

            Thank you for a civil discourse and informative posts.

            Yes, the diaspora must connect with its roots and value our heritage and use our language. I will definitely visit as much as I can.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Samuel

            Samuel: thank you in advance for being civil and for engaging intelligently. My hats of to you! Now, please allow me to refute your claims and arguments line by line – all to add value to our political discussion.

            1. – “You asked “there are about 80 ethno-linguistic communities in Ethiopia. Now what is the criteria to qualify/disqualify a community from having its own Killil – assuming all ethnolinguistic communities are equal under the law of the land?”

            In short Yes they can. The question is (a) “is it practical?” (b) “is it feasible?”

            Based on 2007 census Irob has total population of 26K, Kunama has about 5K. Therefore…….
            1. Having that population size and geographic location and land size?
            2. Considering the amount of budget, human resource and security it requires to own a State.

            For some ethnic groups since it is impractical and not feasible to have their own State, it is better to be part of the bigger one.”

            Now: tell me
            A. – ሃብታሙ መሬትና ቤት ይሰጠው፡፡ ድሃው ግን፡ ከሃብታም ተጥግቶ ብያድር ነው የሚያሻው – all at no fault of these poor communities that are dealt a bad deck of cards at birth. Is this fair? Is this democratic? Is this rational? Does this kind of law make all Ethiopians equal? Does this lead into strong peaceful and prosperous Ethiopia – or into polarized divided and weak Ethiopia?

            B. – Isn’t this an arbitrary law that is written by the whim of the powerful ethnics that marginalizes (hurts in some way) small ethnics? Why Tigray a Killil with 6% of the population and not Sidama with 4% of the population? Why Afar a Killil with 1.7% of the population and not Guragie Wolayta Hadya 2.5% 2.3% 1.75% respectively? Why are the smallest ethnics not treated equally to the largest ethnic anyway?

            C. – Currently, the Ethiopian government is a representative of Ethno-Linguistic Killils that are designed arbitrarily. That is a fact. Now: what if a study came out that says 20% of the Ethiopian population (and still growing exponentially) are mix people from different faiths, ethnics, and regions that don’t fit the current ethnolinguistic political formula? These Ethiopians, like every Ethiopian citizen – they are building their country, they are paying taxes, they shedded sweat tears and blood and they lost their limbs lives and treasure defending Ethiopia. But they are marginalized by the current ethnolinguistic federal system of government with no representation or voice. How is these Tigray Party, Amara Party, Oromo Party………. going to work for them?

            2. – Which one is it?

            A. – “Whenever ethnic groups are ready to become a regional State the option is there. Sidema and Wolayta for example.”

            B. – “In Ethiopia you can’t have more than 20 possible States, yes it is possible to have 80+ States, but based on facts (population size) the rational assessment will be it is impractical to have 80+ states.”

            C. – Does small population means not as important, not as valuable, not as worthy? When (at what point) do Ethnolinguistic communities become small anyway?

            Hope to hear from you more. Thanks.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Samuel

            Selam Semere Tesfai,
            Thank you for the positive discussion too.

            Let me try to respond:
            On question number 1:-
            A. — all these poor Ethiopian citizens from 75+ unlucky ethnic communities, at no fault of theirs, just for being dealt a bad deck of cards at birth – have to live and abide-by these arbitrary laws. Is this fair? Is this democratic? Is this rational?

            Note that no one is rejecting their right, their right is respected as any ethnic community. You need to note that those ethnic communities have either Woreda or Zone level administrative arrangement within the State. They administer their land and people. In the future if they grow and demand to be a State then they can do that. Today, they are not demanding, it is just hypothetical question. Those that are demanding are the bigger ones like Sidama, Wolayta, etc.
            We are focusing on a hypothetical question that doesn’t exist on the ground, I mean those ethnic communities are not demanding to be a State. Do you have/know any community with similar size who is/are demanding to constitute a State? If the question doesn’t exist on those communities why are we focusing on a hypothetical situation. Politics is about solving existing problems and avoiding problems that raise in the future.

            The way I see it, the question is left for them (ethnic community), if they can handle to be a State with 5K people then Yes then can request to own a State, they just have to follow the process. My argument is on the “practicality” of it. Note that when you become a regional State there is a potential to become a Nation. So, a Nation with 5K population in East Africa, is that practical?

            Honestly, Based on the information I have till this day, I haven’t heard Kunama or Irob or other ethnic community with similar size demanding to be a State. Thus, I don’t think the question has any relevance on the ground with those communities.

            Let say the federal arrangement is regional based, how does that it change the fairness of Kunama ethnic community? My point is regardless of the federal arrangement the situation of the small size communities will be the same. However, if you made the federal arrangement to be regional based then you are oppressing the bigger ethnic communities demand, is that the right approach for you? Any arrangement you do should be able to address the demand of the people, otherwise you will be back to square one.

            Generally, my solution is at least let’s allow the bigger ones to own their State because they are demanding for it, however let’s respect the right of the smaller ones. Isn’t that fair?

            If you could provide a solution for this situation I will be happy to hear, It’s open to both of us to provide a solution. Let me hear how you can address it.

            B. — why Sidama with 4% didn’t have a State but Afar with 1.7% population has one.

            This wasn’t/isn’t constitutional problem, this was political problem. Simply put, it was a mistake done by EPRDF, they should have given Sidama and others to constitute their own State from the beginning. It was political decision and it was wrong. I am glad they are getting their demand being respected.

            C. — Currently, the Ethiopian government is a representative of ethnolinguistic Killils that are designed arbitrarily.

            The regional States are constituted based on Article 39/5. Thus, there is constitutional bases how to establish a state. I have included the statement in my first response. Let me put it here too:-

            A “Nation, Nationality or People” for the purpose of this Constitution, is a group of people who have or share large measure of a common culture or similar customs, mutual intelligibility of language, belief in a common or related identities, a common psychological make-up, and who inhabit an identifiable, predominantly contiguous territory.

            mix people from different faiths, ethnics, and regions that don’t fit the current ethnolinguistic political formula?

            Refer Article 39/5, there is constitutional bases how to constitute a State, if they fulfill the constitutional definition then they can own a State. I have heard similar premise from Addis Ababa residents (mostly Amhara lineage community, when you deeply explore it) but I haven’t seen something that can fulfill the constitutional bases.
            I have heard that there is a movement centered in Addis Ababa called “Addis-Abebe ኣዲስ ኣበቤ” identity, if that get attraction then Addis Ababa can be a State.

            Generally it is possible, they just have to fulfill the constitutional definition of Article 39/5.

            On question number 2:-

            A, B, C — Does small population of ethnolinguistic community means not as important, not as valuable, not as worthy? When (at what point) do Ethnolinguistic communities become small – too small?

            This question is similar to the first question, I don’t have any different answer. Note that regardless how small those communities are their right is respected, either they own Woreda or Zone, meaning they can administer their land and people without any influence of the State.
            Help me here, with 5K population owning a Sate, how many will be policemen? How many will be teachers? How many will be State stuff, etc.
            To me it’s just impractical, it can be a political talking point but I don’t think there is a solution for it. I am happy to hear from you. At least give me a solution, or a hint a solution.

            Generally, the constitution has a solution for any “existing” problems, however if there are questions that the constitution doesn’t address then it needs an amendment. You can amend the constitution based on the constitution. Ethiopians constitution is one the most liberal constitution in the world. You can become a Nation without a single bullet. Would you like it if Eritrea had this option in 1952? I am sure you do, no one wants to go to war.
            If there is a demand for independence, there are two options:- With a gun and without gun. That is the purpose of Article 39 in Ethiopia’s constitution. If people or communities are happy then Article 39 is just symbolic,however, if they are not happy then it is a nuclear option.

            Thanks,

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Semere,

            You said “ A. – Would you allow the Tigrean Kunamas and the Tigrean irob to have their own Killil – or you’re going to play with fire on that one?”

            Question:

            Are there Tigrean Kunamas?

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Good question, Berhe!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Since Semere is late to give an answer to your question, let me volunteer myself. The answer is “Yes”.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            Here is a documentary from Kunama refugees in Ethiopia who left Eritrea after the war in n 2000 when the Ethiopian army withdrew.

            https://vimeo.com/312563065

            There is no indication that there are Kunama people in Tigray as indicated here or other sources that I researched.

            Even as per Ethiopian government census, they listed those Kunama refugees but I don’t think Kunama Ethiopians,

            Question for you.
            1) Do you know in the 70s for example, during ELF times, were there any Kunama people in Tigray?

            Thanks
            Tesfay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,
            Yes Berhe. Their inhabiting area extended from Binbina in Eritrea to Sheraro (beyond badume) in Tigray. Remember, according the new delineation except the “village Badume” which is 700 meters inside Eritrea, the rest Badume region is given to Ethiopia. I have visited that area in the 70s.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman,

            I was not asking a technical answer “because some Kunama land is awarded to Tigray, therefore those who reside / own the land are Tigrawot”.

            I am asking, just like the people of Afar who say they are Ethiopians, Djibouti, Eritrea regardless of the boarder, are the people of Kunama who say they are Tigrawot / Ethiopians.

            I know why TPLF and Tigray people and their cadre claim that Tigray is made up of Tigringa, Afar and Kunama.

            My question is, are there some Kunama identify as Tigrawot.

            Let me tell you a story, there is this Eritrean Kunama who has 5 years old boy who got sponsored by White Canadian who come recently (I think two years or so now). Somehow somebody connected her with my wife and she met her and brought her to our place to spend one afternoon. She had some relatives in another city and they also come to visit her. Later that year, I met one of her cousin who was come long time ago, while everyone is having a discussion I happen to seat next to him. I asked him this question, reared there people from Kunama who identify themselves as Tigrawot? He answer was Yes . Ever since Eritrea become a colonly of Italy, all the lands and the people that lived in that land were part of the Italian Colony Eritrea and we always identified ourselves as Eritreans.

            Now the land is taken by people who come from different parts of Eritrea and Tigray and those who remain still live in Eritrea. Those in Ethiopia are refugees.
            They don’t own lands and they don’t have homes.

            I know the Abay Tigray manifesto says the Afar, Kunama and Tigrina are the people who make up Tigray, which is obvious because they incorporated their lands in n their manifesto and map.

            So I am not surprised TPLF or Tigray cadres say it but when former ELF cadres (you are Semere) say it I wanted to know the facts, based on truth.

            I never read Alex Nati books it’s research but for those who did, what does he say about this?

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhino,

            To save our time from shenkolel, I gave you a short answer of “yes“ and an explanation to it. Delineations and demarcations of national geography are technical by nature and nations are defined by that. I told you the land of Kunama extended from Binbina of Eritrea to Sheraro of Ethiopia. If the border of Eritrea and Ethiopia divided the land of Kunama people, then it is obvious there are Eritrean Kunama and Ethiopian Kunama (if you consider Tigray an Ethiopian region). This is true during the Italian colonization and during modern Eritrea and Ethiopia. I can not be clear more than this. But if you are refuting my argument then, I can only say, I disagree with your historical assessment on the land of Kunama people.

            Regards,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman,

            You can leave this if you want but I don’t think you answered my question which is quite simple. Boarder or no boarder, demarcation or no demarcation.

            Are there Kunama people in Tigray who identify themselves as Tigrayans or Ethiopians.

            And where do these people live? Do they have a farm, a village or a place they call home in Tigray.

            For example, there are Jebert people in Adwa, Aksum or Shire who identify themselves as Tigrawot/ Ethiopians.

            It is a direct and simple question.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            I answered it many times. If you couldn’t understand my comment, I can’t help it. I can not be more clear than that. If borders determine “nation states” the demarcation of the borders will tell you whether communities around the border are divided on both sides of the border or not. In this case yes. With that I close my case. Thank you for your civility.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Semere Tesfay,

          I would like to share my view on the three points of your comment.

          Point 1-C) if he can not be like the former leaders of Ethiopia, what does it make difference if let the Ethiopian people to be at each other’s throat and kill each other. It is all the same. The lives lost in his tenure exceeds by far exponentially from his predecessors (MZ and HD). He can not control the security of the country. Wollega, the Southern region, the Tigray region is not under his control. The lead Amhara elites like Lidetu called him a failed leader. The Oromo Federalist are against his discourse. So Semere Ethiopia can not be controlled from Minelik palace.

          Point-5) I agree. Only peaceful negotiated solution is the only way out. But Abiy has not the courage for it. Look how he is trying to postpone their election to stay in power. At least the Covid-19 is not that bad in Ethiopia to hinder the election.

          Point-B) Federalism with regional administrative units is impractical with the current deep mistrust based on hate among the three major social forces (Oromo, Amara, Tigray). The Oromo, Tigray, Somaliland, Afar won’t favor regional administrative. The Amara favor centralized unitary. The only way that hold Ethiopia together is the current federalism based on linguistic administrative. They can can amend issues on the power relation between the central and the peripheries (kilils) and the independence of the Judiciary. You know the power of the peripheries made it hard to control the Federal Government. The mandate of powers between the central and peripheries should be clearly delineated.

          Regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            1.- “Point 1-C) if he can not be like the former leaders of Ethiopia, what does it make difference if let the Ethiopian people to be at each other’s throat and kill each other. It is all the same. The lives lost in his tenure exceeds by far exponentially from his predecessors (MZ and HD).”

            Aman, you’re mixing apples and oranges here. Central government bombing its own people, central government torturing its own people, central government cleansing a whole segment of is population because of faith, creed, color, or geography (region) is not the same – when neighbors of a certain communities are killing each other – because of underlying issues that existed for hundreds of years.

            Here in the USA you’re witnessing businesses burning, police officers and demonstrators dying, coronavirus spreading like a wildfire due to rioting (not the only reason but still), resources being wasted – yes the government will take its share of the blame – but still it is not the same like, the government killing its own people. Please look at things from that angle – which some would argue it is democracy at its best.

            2. – ” He can not control the security of the country. Wollega, the Southern region, the Tigray region is not under his control. The lead Amhara elites like Lidetu called him a failed leader. The Oromo Federalist are against his discourse. So Semere Ethiopia can not be controlled from Minelik palace.”

            Would you praise Dr. Abiy (support him) if he send federal forces to Wollega, to the Southern Region, and the Tigray Killil, to apprehend and bring to justice all the criminals there? Of course not. I know for a fact, neither you nor the Woyane cadres here would support that. That’s why Ethiopia is in the state it is now. You’re just saying Abiy failed to maintain law and order just to mislead people.

            3. – “Point-5) I agree. Only peaceful negotiated solution is the only way out. But Abiy has not the courage for it. Look how he is trying to postpone their election to stay in power. At least the Covid-19 is not that bad in Ethiopia to hinder the election.”

            Few points here:

            A. – You’re minimizing the deadliness of the coronavirus which is dishonesty

            B. – When others make elections during this coronavirus outbreak, they have the resources and the technology to make it possible – which Ethiopia doesn’t have

            C. – Ethiopia is in its first baby-step in a 26 mile marathon – in creating an ideology based political parties and political competition – which many are still resisting favoring ethnic based political competition. Let’s face it; election or no election, the next government is going be formed, based on compromising ethnic quota. And there is no wisdom, in compromising public safety for that.

            4. – “Point-B) Federalism with regional administrative units is impractical with the current deep mistrust based on hate among the three major social forces (Oromo, Amara, Tigray). The Oromo, Tigray, Somaliland, Afar won’t favor regional administrative. The Amara favor centralized unitary. The only way that hold Ethiopia together is the current federalism based on linguistic administrative.”

            I beg to disagree. Ethno-linguistic federalism was introduced to Ethiopia by the Wyanes for evil intention, just three decades ago. Ethiopia has lived longer than three decades.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ahlen Wed Ad ,Vet Tegadai:
            The best Cheguar EVER in its positive sense!
            I see the genius in you, someone, who joined the legit armed struggle at age15-16 with minimum education but, who survived every hell and tsunami including death and immigrated relatively in his late age with no enough education but who beat up everything and every cultural shock and has become a Professor / Teacher of Science from a scratch !

            That speaks volumes….. beyond Eritreanism at its best.
            Prof Ghebre Ghebremariam of the Virginia Common Wealth Univ is my another hero, who was captured as a ELF POW or as an ELF Cadre in Asmera and was tortured in”The Alem Bekka “ Prison of Addis; and yet ,scored the highest grade ever recorded in the ESCLE while in being tortured in one of the worst prisons in the world ;and later became A full Professor in one of the top Univ in the USA!

            Your are simply the BEST not only for stating the facts and the truths as they are but for your “deadly” honesty!
            (Except for supporting indirectly ,DIA!)

            Let even the “crookedly smart ”SAAY, someone who can convince somebody that a stone is a bread,come and try to refute what you said.
            The intellectually and even politically bankrupt people you are trying to convince are but deliberately deaf and blind people!
            You are just wasting your time and energy!
            But kudos to you for straightening up the facts to the naive victims of those intellectually and politically bankrupt Cadres!
            It is amusing to hear such a so cheap propaganda from a guy, who survived the deadly virus and who is witnessing what is going on in front of his eyes …. and when the high tech democratic institutions are suggesting “vote by mail” due to the public health dangers of the deadly virus pandemic!
            It is absurd beyond comprehension!
            Just keep it up buddy!
            Where is your Partner in arms, Vet Mahmuday?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hope/Sultan,

            You sound like a fotorino (weyala – an Addis Ababa minibus conductor).

            You are supporting messed up reasoning,

            Just one example: Federalism in Ethiopia is bad.

            Why? Because it is a Weyane idea.

            But the Nationalities issue was one of the burning questions in Ethiopia.

            The real reason why some people dislike Federalism in Ethiopia is because the PFDJ hates the Federal system.

            Why? Because it might give the ethnic groups in Eritrea the wrong idea.

            The real problem is not Federalism, but it’s implementation.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Simon:
            -Weyala?
            -For endorsing Semere and his facts and truth and boldness?
            Am honored to be his Weyala!
            -Semere Tesfay is NOT insulting the TPLF for a Federal System in Ethiopia but its evil and destructive agenda on Ethiopia and Ethiopians in the name of the fake Federal system !
            -Eritrea does NOT need a Federal System but a strong and well represented central govt but a decentralized system with Strong Regional Adm Govts!
            Do u know who has been doing its best to enforce Ethnic based Federal System in Eritrea?
            No one else but your TPLF Master, for obvious agenda !
            You read me right Mr Weyala of Trump!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            You know you are like those “seb qole“. You have to start your morning by “mugraE” and you have to find someone to pick and fight with.

            “ Let even the “crookedly smart ”SAAY, someone who can convince somebody that a stone is a bread,come and try to refute what you said.”

            Why would you say this about Saay?

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Ustaz Berhe Yeman:
            Thanks for your lame and an uncalled for feedback .
            Seb quole /Kole?
            For endorsing the objective and truthful Semere and his facts?
            Let it be!
            Semere T cannot be a perfect person but he calls the spade a spade!
            Calling Prof Dr SAAY a” crookedly smart”?
            Two things:
            First,it is a compliment acknowledging his smartness !
            Second, I said what I said in ref to Semere coz SAAY all the time used to jump in and try to refute in a convincingly twisted way what Semere T had to say, apparently coz Semere is a “ Registered PFDJ Apologist”, like Hope and Mahmuday as well as Prof Dr Gheteb.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            First, the Covid in Ethiopia is not bad as reported so far. So there is no Excuse to postpone the election for indefinite time. Though in all your debate engagement indicates otherwise, for one who was a tegadalay for “democratic-justice” in the Ghedli era, is expected to have the same principled stand in the current Ethiopian political crises. Constitutional democratic election could not and should not be hindered by any autocratic ambition of leadership. And you know it very well. A democratic veteran Tegadalay or a military for that matter should defend a “constitution” of any given nation, and in this case the Ethiopian constitution.

            Actually, as an example, recently we have seen the retired generals of the US army who came out to defend their “constitutions” when Trump tried to use the military against the “mass protest” on the inhumane killing of their citizen” by the policemen. It is incumbent and inalienable “constitutional duty“ for Ethiopian citizens to fight for their regular democratic election to be done at any circumstances.

            Third, it is his constitutional duty to enforce “law and order” as envisioned in their “constitution” either by peaceful negotiations or by force. It is a must for security and stability of their nation. Unfortunately, Abiy has neither the wisdom nor does the guts to be a decisive leader to bring a solution to the political crises of Ethiopia.

            Fourth, on the nature of “Federalism” you are arguing based on your wishes and not based on the reality on the ground. If you are really serious what are the possible mixed regional social groups could form the administrative units

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            Guerrillas for “democratic-justice”? Where, when, how?
            Bridge for sale, bridge for sale …!

            You also need to stay on topic. Trump. Obama, Trump,..
            The topic is: the current situation in Ethiopia.

            Another thing, stop lying. You made it sound as if Trump wanted to send the Army against peaceful protesters. The mass protesters are not uniform. They are composed of the peaceful ones, the looters, and the anarchists. By the way, how do you feel if the looters and the anarchists ransack your neighbourhood?

            Some of your favourite countries that shoot at demonstrators are: Eritrea, Ethiopia, China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran and Turkey.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            I agree with your main point. Sometimes people on purpose or otherwise, muddy the water and try to end it with a clear righteous sounding point. As a matter of fact, I sometimes wonder why there is no more riots and looting in all the major cities of the U.S. It is absolutely free stuff you need and can acquire with a little dare. The police are being hand cuffed by rules and everything they do in reaction to what is in front of them is being self recorded by law, in most cases.

            I had an exchange with our esteemed SAAY several years ago when hotels and businesses were burned at Ambo area in Ethiopia, the first push back on law and order. PMHD said nothing, not even an empty threat, I expressed my concern that such indecisiveness invites more and bigger lawlessness. Saay, was suggesting western style policing and rubber bullets etc. I agree up to a point, that it must be the highest form of balancing act leaders have to perform. PMHD eventually had to resign, he is probably proud of himself.

            Eritrea, Venezuela and Syria….. theirs is too much, draconian. U.S and the likes are draconian on the other side, there has to be a solution somewhere in between. Each situation analyzed and dealt with the minimum force necessary to correct the problem. The law abiding citizens have to be protected too.

            Mr. K.H

          • David Samson

            Selam KH,

            I am not into all the round the clock discussion about race, police, and the rest. I am struggling for comprehension and I need someone to help me. Why do the police in USA press and hold down someone’s airways while the person is already handcuffed with his hand are tied at the back? In the clip, about five officers are standing next to the suspect, his face is down on the floor, and his hands are handcuffed. What potential could the risk to officers if someone is already handcuffed? I always struggle to understand most Americans’ state of mind, but this takes me to a different level.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam David Samson,

            That incident we watched is straight forward murder. I don’t even know 2nd or 3rd degree murder conversation about, it was 1st degree murder. You can see the evil eyes.

            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            In the 1st degree murder, you have to prove the intent of the killer to the jury. It is very difficult to prove intent. If the prosecutor opted to pursue 1st degree murder, there is a chance of losing the case.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam David,

            The policeman was a coward and also must be sick in the head.

        • Hashela

          Selam Semere

          One can only guess as to why TPLF is furiously fighting to keep the Ethno-Linguistic Federal System. One of the several reasons is most likely that language was used to superficially justify the land grab of Walkayit and Raya.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Samuel,

      Let alone Covid-19 , nations on war footing can not stop or postponed their normal election cycles. The guy’s party has no viable base to compete and win at this cycle of Ethiopian election so he lend his ears to the advice of our despot. Even Ethiopia had its election during the Ethio-Eritrean border war in 2000. US had done it during their civil war between 1861 to 1865, and now during the Covid-19 both primaries and general elections. African leaders always try to find excuses to stay in power. He was elected by EPRDF, and if EPRDF is dissolved he is not a legit to be Ethiopian Prime minister.

      The smart Lemma Megerssa who should be the PM when Hailemariam resigned, and who refused to be a member of his party (PP) knew Abiy’s nature and character and does not want to be associated with his party.

      • Selam Amanuel H.,

        I couldn’t believe my eyes when i saw this line of yours, that “ Let alone Covid-19 , nations on war footing can not stop or postponed their normal election cycles.”. How come you forgot Covid-19 so quickly? From what i understood, you risked your life when you were infected with the virus. You were between life and death. In the country you live more than 110K lives have been lost due to Covid-19, and you were among the most fortunate to come out of it alive.
        Even then, you are ready to risk the lives of more than 100m ethiopians for the sake of a lousy election, which is not going to change your tplf, and nothing is lost if it is carried out, for example, 6 months later. Is that the extent to which tplf has infected the brain of even a purportedly rational person?
        You brought as an example a war that took place far away without affecting the everyday life of ethiopians, and today more than 100 new cases of infected people by the virus are registered every day. The number of dead ethiopians has already climbed to 40, expected to rise, and no one knows how the end could be. Is this how much you owe mz/tplf, that you don’t care if hundreds of thousands of ethiopians die due to the virus? A Faustian contract with mz/tplf, indeed.

      • Nitricc

        Let alone Covid-19 , nations on war footing can not stop or postponed their normal election cycles.

        Hi Aman-H i was going to give the time to stronger but with the above comment you made, well, you are wrong! the world is not in a war footing but in war in its self. Considering Afric’s health institutions and their structure and their capability to handle the out break will be tragic. We witness USA to struggle to the breaking point; we witness Italy struggling to breaking point. we witness the entire world come to grip. Can you imagine if that to happen in Africa? Giving the lack of medical and human resources, it will tragedy in the making and you wanted to risk that kind of out break for fake and rigged election? I ask to myself; who agreed with your take, then i check, yep the three Digital weyane. No real human being will agree with you. you are wrong

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Nitrickay,

          Don’t be worried as to who upvotes or downvotes. Just argue on the substances of my argument. You make it a habit to categorize people and give names, if they don’t agree with your view. Learn to give your own view without name calling, and don’t expect people to join your hating for those you hate them. People have their own opinion.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ama-H; it was never to irritate you. all i am saying you are wrong to prioritize fake election over the well being of the human life. I never thought to read that from your caliber and acumen. I was wrong could have done it, any way sorry if i offended you. be well. .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            I am not irritated. I am only telling you that your judgement is subjective as any one else. So you don’t need to categorize people. Just argue to convince your own view by different approaches, and in the process there will be mutual learning. That is the beauty of debates. Always focus on the idea of the person and don’t surprise when people have different views than yours.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

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    ኣብ ትሕቲ ናይ 91 ያሲዲ

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

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      ከምተኣዘዘ
      ክትኩስ ጀመረ
      እንዳ ዓመረ
      ኣይፈል ተተባህለ
      እይሰምዕን በለ
      ኣባጊዕ ኣይኮኑን
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      ኣይሰምዕን በለ
      መትረየስ ዝሓዘ
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      ዑረት ክኸውን’ዩ
      ትርፈቱ ናብራና!

  • Admassie

    Aligaz G,

    Who says a Nazii from Germany can’t be Ethiopian. Bully guy.

    • Aligaz G

      Admassie,

      Adolf Hitler says so. You really dont know much. I hereby demote you to bantam weight.

      • Admassie

        Aligaz G,

        Jawohl, der Fuehrer!

  • Nitricc

    Moda; so, we are allowed to post links during the week?

  • Admassie

    Selam Simon K.

    German’s defeat starts not in 1918, rather in the time of Napoleon when his birth place Austria and Bavaria were under France. You may be right about Hitler’s Ideological influence. But my point was, he must have first developed the anger and hate driven by those historical defeats and humilation. And similarly in our case, to some elites, it is the defeat of Derg and the loss of Eritrea that created the strong sense of humiliation which is translated in to a boiling anger against TPLF till today.

    • Aligaz G

      Admassie,

      1. There wasn’t a Germany during Napoleans era. Get your history right

      2. People are simply asserting their own rights against TPLFs dictatorship. And you dont like it. Tough.

      • Admassie

        Aligaz G,

        1. I will make my history right if you accept that Ethiopia wasn’t there before Menlik.

        2. I am simply asserting my right against their selectivness and you don’t like it. Tough.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hi All:
    Hope the Moderator will make an exception to let this essential video to be posted !
    https://www.facebook.com/667489477/posts/10160052180539478/?d=n

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    እስከ ነዞም ምሁራትና ክንማስዮም
    ታሪኽ ናይ ሃገሮም
    ይፈልጡ ዶ ትብልዎም?

    ንገሩኒ ታሪኽ በለው-ከለው መጠራ
    ሓብሩኒ ርዝነት ታሪኽ ኣዱሊስ ከመይ ኔራ

    ኣዘንትዉ ታሪኽ ናይ ቆሓይቶ
    ታሪኽ ዓሳውርታ ዝበሓቶ

    ዳሕድሕዎ ንግስነት ድባርዋ
    እስከ ንገሩና ኣዘንትዉ ዳሕድሕዋ

    ታሪኽ ጸዓዘጋ ሓብሩና
    ደቂ መን ምዃና
    ንገሩና

    ሓብሩና ታሪኽ ናይ ሳሕል ናይ ባርካ
    ጽኑዕ ዛንታ ናጻ ካብ ሃበካ-በለካ

    ታሪኽ ናይ ጀጋኑ
    ጽኑዕ መኣዝኑ
    ‘ተ ዘይኮይኑ
    ሓደ ጻዕዳ ከምዚ በለ
    ብድሕሪኡ ሓደ ተቐበለ

    ፋይዳ ‘ብሉን ዘይኣሊ ህግደፍ
    ‘ተ ዘይኴኑ ከም ቀደምና
    ኣብ ደርገፍገፍ
    ብላሽ

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

      ታሪኸይ ክነግረካ
      ስምዓኒ ኣድሚዕካ

      ኣነ ወለንኪኤል ምሕጽንቱ
      ዘይደሊ ዘይናቱ
      ዶብዮ ዝዓራቱ
      ወርቂ ዝሳዓቱ
      ዝማም ዝሰበይቱ
      ስላስ ዝሓማቱ
      ኣማስዩ ዝኣቱ
      ነይፈልጥ ስሒቱ
      ዘይስሕት ጨሚቱ

      ዓደይ ሽመዛና
      ትሕት ኢልካ ዃና
      ኣጋየሽቲ ጓና
      ፍሉጥ’ዩ ታሪኽና
      ጸላኢ ዝመከትና
      ዘይብንጠስ ዕርድና
      ሕጂውን ከምቀደምና
      ምስህዝብና ኢና
      ጽኑዕ’ዩ መትከልና!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ኣይተኸኣልካን ዶተረ ዓርከይ!
        ናብ በይ ኤርያ ገጽካ ቅልቅል በልሞ ሸነን ከብለካ

        • Paulos

          ኢንጂኔረ,

          I am actually laughing at my own poem. I just made that up. I was in L.A. last summer for family member graduation. I should’ve known. Definitely next time.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            Next time you are in ዓድና land, you have a friend to visit!
            No worries, we have plenty of rooms. You just need to cover for travel expense 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            You bet ዛዓርከይ!

      • Saleh Johar

        Paulos,
        ቱ ቱ ቱ? That’s is not you, pls don’t do it again and I promise I will not do physics or maths 🙂

        • Paulos

          Aya Saleh,

          ኣነ ንሃይላትን ኢንጂኔረን ኣርከብክኹም እንዳበልኩስ ካን በቃ ዱብ ኣቢልካለይ? ኣግሂድካ ነዛ ገዛይ ብ ቱ ቱ ቱ ፋሕ ፋሕ ኣቢልካለይ ዘይትብለኒ.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            Some people would have raised their swords. I knew you were sporty 🙂

            On the languages that you wanted to compare with Tigrinya, I can tell you the style in Tigrinya and Arabic is one. But honestly, it’s not as sophisticated as Arabic. If you take e very thing from the Arabs, they will always remain with the language. There are five or six different pools of poetry styles in Arabic and they are distinct from each other. They call them Behur plural of Bahar, Seas. Most people can tell what Bahar a poem belongs to after hearing a couplet. And the rich language gives them an advantage.

            Modern poetry has its giants , unlike the traditional poetry. Do you know of Shewgi, Nizar wanna I, Derei’s, Abenudo from Nuba, and many more. Qabbani was so good he was chased from Syria to England and his wife was assassinated because of a poem.

            For today. Give you AbulQassim AlShabbi, the Tunisian pioneer of modernization of Arabic literature. He died at 34 (1934) and has inspired many revolutions in the region the last one was the Arab Spring where people shouted his poems. The English is inferior to the original Arabic but here it’s:

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            If you ask me I would, without hesitation, say German poetry is superb to everything else! Is this an objective judgement? Absolutely no!

            What the foundation of my subject judgement? Because I am relatively (I am trying to humble!) familiar with the history, mythology, psychology, culture, norm and language of German/y. Therefore, I have a deeper understanding and appreciation of German poetry.

            Similarly, your excitement and superior classification of Arab poetry relative to Tigrina is subjective and largely based on your familiarity, connectivity (region and residency) and affinity to the Arab language and literature!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            True. but German was not even on the table and I was replying to Paulos’ comment, he didn’t mention German. Indeed, Goethe is a genius. Unfortunately i do not know the language enough to read him in Deutsche, only some English and Arabic translations.

            From the few languages I know, and what I learned about, I think Arabic is superior to most as far as poetry is concerned–that was the topic. Of course, I add here what I am familiar with and I wish you could do the same with German poetry.

            Sometimes what we think is subjective is not so. Arabic as a language is so rich and expressive, and it is not only me saying, but people in the field in many cultures. But then, it is my opinion, as you said. I hope your opinion, on my opinion, was a tiny bit objective 🙂 It goes both ways and as Paulos would tell you, – + – is +

            See! my straight forward reply, in your words, is “Your excitement”! Would you say your characterization of my simple reply as “your excitement” was a little hyped? Do you think it is objective? Well, that would do for an illustration, I think.

            Dear Hashela, it was an innocent attempt at a comparative poetry discourse, Hashela! You didn’t have to find excuses for what I explained, you could ask or challenge me instead. Now you spoiled it. let’s discuss the usual circular stuff. I though this would provide a short break. We failed. Sorry Paulos, or others who might have been interested to pursue the discussion. Cheers.

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            That was prompt and superior. See, you just need to be provoked 🙂 and then you get deeply philosophical in a relativistic manner!

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            Hier eine kleine Geschichte von Hans Magnus Ezensberger

            “Fragen an die Kosmologen

            Ob zuerst das Licht da war
            oder doch eher die Dunkelheit;
            ob es irgendwo nichts gibt,
            und ob von etwas,
            wenn ihr so weitermacht,,
            etwas übrigbleibt,
            von der guten alten Materie,
            außer eine Überdosis Mathematik?”

          • Brhan

            يا مرجب حشلا
            ممكن ترجمة

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            Well said! I wish I could read it!

            The German poetry was for Saleh whose knowledge of the German language is relatively good.

          • Brhan

            HI Hashela
            Is there an English translation for the poem you posted above?

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            Not that I am aware of. I will try to translate it, in prosa form.
            It is very dense and deeply philosophic and scientific written in very simple words.

          • Hashela

            Selma Brhan

            Let me emphasize that I am the least qualified person to translate German poetry into English with which l am less familiar and confident.
            Below is my attempt and I can already tell that much of the gravity and sophisticated handling of words and meanings is lost.

            “ questions to the astrophysicists

            Was there first the light,
            Or more likely the darkness
            Is there somewhere a nothing
            If you continue to do your work
            Nothing will remain
            from the old good matter
            But an overdose of math”

          • Brhan

            Thanks Hashela …who is the poet

          • Hashela

            Brhan

            His name is Hans Magnus Enzensberger, as referred in my previous post

          • Saleh Johar

            Bruder Hashela
            Ja ich verstehe es aber etwas difficult (schwiere?)…. Sehr schon. Vielen Dank

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            ይኽደነና ሎምስ ትኣርገና’ለኻ መስለኒ.

            Never knew you giving up due to nuanced and hiccups in an otherwise engaging discourse.

            I speak Italian but again the poetry in it including of the giants as in Dante or Ovid among others even though was mostly Latinized doesn’t seem awe inspiring as it would be in Arabic as you have explained it.

            Languages are not learned but genetically predisposed–imprinted [Chomsky theorized and pioneered this theory before he turned into human rights activist at large in the 60s] more so Wittgenstein revolutionized our understanding of languages when he said, the structure in languages reflects the laws of nature–pretty much the “Forms” in Plato’s Transcendental Realism. The rhyming in poetry provokes often times our deeper sense either in somber or in laughter when it connects with who we are as emotional not only dry beings.

          • Aligaz G

            Hash,

            There is nothing subjective about poetry this is what most people dont get. It’s a field of human endeavor like any other and “game recognizes game”.

            Now poetry is one aspect in the development of a particular language. Prose, scientific literature, history written or oral, mythology, even marketing literature add to the richness of a language. And yes German with Goethe and Luther and all the scientific literature (Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Psychology etc) is a highly enriched and developed language. But what Ato Saleh is trying to tell you is that Arabic is poetic from its inception. Arabic is poetry. Game recognizes game.

          • Paulos

            Selam Aya Saleh,

            You see this is the hidden world for me—I know nothing about. Thank you so much. Really. Languages fascinate me perhaps because they are linked to Philosophy at many level but this unique character of rhyming in poetry got me really curious if it is stronger in others, for instance. Thank you again for this great insight. Glad I asked.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Wouldn’t you agree that Arabic poetry loses a lot in translation. This is probably due to the density of meaning, sound and even visual appearance of Arabic. I see this in Hebrew and Amharic also so maybe it’s a semitic difficulty. On the other hand Persian and Japanese poetry translates really well. And from the Spanish …Neruda

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Great points. You see, you make more sense when you talk about this kind of stuff as opposed to kinijit or Konjit–which one is it?

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            You have proven A) you dont sleep B) You answer questions directed at someone else C) and based on your feeble attempts at poetry, you are no poet

            therefore let Ato Saleh respond – you silly (tplf) cadre get some rest

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Trust me I sleep well. Thank God for that otherwise one wouldn’t function. Read this if you can. It is new and hot stuff out right from the oven. And. I never said, I was a poet but was having fun with it as opposed to talking Weyane this Kinijit that…And remember, I asked the question about rhyming first you silly Kinijit!

            https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-sleep-deprivation-kills-20200604/

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            A hundred wise men cannot answer a single question posed by a village idiot.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Aligaz, Hashela, Paulos and all ….
            I believe translation carries only a small representation of the beauty of the original. More so for Arabic poetry. My problem with most Tigrinya or Amharic is that we are taught poetry is all about rhyming. That is why most of what we call poems sound like children’s lullabies at worse and lyrics of a bad song at best. I believe poetry is deeper that our senses and I can go further and claim that the four sense has nothing to do with poetry, even the fifth, hearing, if it was not the only sense that carries the beauty of poetry somewhere deep inside us. even reading is not half as enjoyable as listening to a poem recited.

            But what I do not consider poetry is the shallow type, the one you can tell whether the writer was in a deep thought process, was in a tragic or exhilarating state of mind, was so devastated by sadness that the poet spitted the words out easily–these state produces beautiful and deep poetry. But of course there are free flowing, provocative prose, quick, witty, that are composed on the go–and that is another style that requires quick thinking and mastery of a language.

            AS you said, Arabic as you said is poetic at inception–its volume of vocab is immense–imagine a hundred words for a horse or a camel, or a desert, etc! And I haven’t seen any culture that inserts poetry in day to day conversations, arguments, insulting, convincing etc, like the Arabs. It’s like the Habesha culture of bringing a proverb in many occasions. Now change the proverb with a couplet, and multiply usage by a hundred times–that is Arabic. tHere are some pieces of ancient poems that I feel I heard them a million times over because they are so prevalent and numerous. take this from Abu Tayeb AlMutenebi who died a 1000 years ago. The volume of the work he left is immense. But he was like an Azmari who roamed around praising authority and being rewarded handsomely–he has a widely known racist poem he composed to insult Kafur, the Sultan of Egypt who used to be an Abyssinian slave. Kafur didn’t reward him and humiliated him, in revenge he insulted Kafur in a very scathing manner though a very racists one. But as a poet, he was genius. Here is one:

            izza ra’ayt niab al laith barizeten
            fela tezunena al laith yebtesimu

            Translation
            If you see the teeth of a lion
            Don’t think the lion is smiling

            I don’t know any Persian but living in that neighborhood for too long I knew quite a few. The Persians actually invite you to their homes, “Please come for diner tonight, after diner we will have saffron tea in the tent and poetry recital”. They have it is in them and sounds beautiful. Of course, they produced Al Roumi and Al Kheyam.

            Japanese! I have no clue but I am fascinated by Haiku though it is too mechanical for me. Ufff! I didn’t know it will be this long.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            Thank you. Really. Why are you not into Philosophy? I wonder!

            Here is when Japanese loses its beautiful but at times ደርጓዕጓዕ prose. Enjoy!

            xxxxxxxxxx

          • Paulos

            Moderator,

            ኦልሞስቲ weekend. Is it not?

          • Abi

            Paul
            ወንድሜን ምን ነካብኝ?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Here is an update on the total fiction of ፈንቅል uprising in Tigrai but turning into a reality in Oromia. Serious ህዝባዊ ኣመጽ is going on in the four Zones of Wellega, Goje-Borenna, Bale-Geshu and Neqemtie. I ain’t kidding you! But of course, I agree with you that the Weyane remnant thugs are behind the uprising.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are the most informed regarding what is going on in Ethiopia except in Tigray. I’m sure you got a call right from Wellega.
            Check the boxes ✅

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I have had the privilege of knowing you for so long and you are getting so predictable. I knew you were going to pull Mokie Berhe on me. Thing is, the news is all over Oromo twitter dudes that I follow.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are next to mokie when it comes to information. He always gets his information from the guys up in the food channel.
            The most fun I have is giving you hard time. I have to admit my success rate is less than 10%.

            I’m the most predictable person in this website.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            You have covered a lot of territory. I find interesting the process of “modernization” in poetry which you have alluded to. Eliot and Pound in English Poetry were the primary modernisers who set out to guide other poets in modernizing. Interestingly a lot of their ideas came from poetry in other languages. Was there a parallel movement in Arabic Poetry?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        Question to you: In the first two poetic lines of your poem do you want to say “ኣዳሚጽካ” to give sensible meaning with the first line? “ ኣድሚክዕካ” has a total different meaning and does not give meaningful message in conjunction to your first line. Me think.

        Regards

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          You’re probably right. I had a different meaning in mind. Thanks for pointing that out. But again, the poem was a joke and was meant to be funny.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Doctore,

            The messaging of your poem is good. Just keep the rhyming of the lines within two to three. Keep up bother.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            ንሪኦ’ንዶ ኣለና
            ክንዲ ሞራል ዝህበና
            ኣያ ሳልሕ ቱ ቱ ቱ
            እንዳበለ ይማሰየና!

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I am thinking that I solved the problem between Eritreans and Tigrayans. There is absolutely horrifying pictures from Yemen and Saudi showing thousands of suffering Tigryan youths. When the Eritrean youth were fleeing Eritrea, we heard the news on every Tigryan, Ethiopian, international news. Especially from the Digital weyane. I mean where at it and the international news and social media did the rest. My question, we all have seen how the Tigrayans expounded the Eritreans exudes to no limit but no one is talking about those poor Tigrayans who are suffering Tigrayans youths? why? It means one thing, Tigrayans life it doesn’t matter while Eritrean’s it does. This the problem with Tigryans, they don’t believe there are equal to Eritreans. Once some one thinks of herself or himself beneath of you, nothing can be done. Know I know the problem. Even some people from Mekelle told this forum; Eritreans pay way less rent than the Mekelians themselves? What tells you this alone? Exactly!!!

    • Brhan

      Hello Nitricc,
      The news is old and goes back to April 2020. I think you do not know Arabic but this was well covered by Aljazeera Arabic that writes news about Saudi Arabia and Yemen. You may ask why Brhan did not bring it to awate because it interestes Tigryans/ Ethiopians at first place. I ( and many in this forum) are interested in Eritrean issues. Charity begins at home.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Brhan; first of all you don’t have to be Ethiopian or Eritrean but just human. When Eritreans were going far less from what i am witnessing, the Digital’s didn’t spare us because that was an Eritrean issue. my point was that the Tigryans see themselves so down, they couldn’t even have the self respect to bring up their own issue. I love this forum but it can’t be an Eritrean forum. This forum doesn’t respect and acknowledge independence day, it doesn’t respect and acknowledge the most especial day of any Eritrean; June 20. So, save it your lecture about this site being an Eritrean one, it is not. it could be owned and operated by Eritreans, but it is not an Eritrean web-site. I just tell the truth as is.

        • Brhan

          Hey Nitricc Vs Nitricc
          In Eritrea in Arabic we say فاقد الشئ لا يعطي
          I think you are missing healthy mind and that is why your comment above is full of antagonstic to yourself.
          I want to help you: If I explain to you I will be hurting you. But If I let you reread what you wrote critically I will benefit you. and I am doing this due to humanity.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Nitricc
      according to tplf/tigrayans, when tigrayans suffer because of migration/refugees or famine or any thing, they r not tigrayan, they r ethiopian, the suffering is ethiopian suffering, the problem is ethiopia’s problem.
      buy when thier stomach is full they r tigrayans ethiopians or tigraians.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Teddy; They are the most confused elites what drives Tigray to you know what. The saddest thing is the majority people got nothing and the few got everything. When i see some stupid people in here standing up for TPLF thugs, i just wonder! I just hope that now TPLF is dead things will change for the better for the people of Tigray. and my wish for the Tigryans is to respect themselves more than the respect they have for the Eritreans. They are suffering from inferior complexity; the worst illness in the world.

        • Lebam

          Tigrayans aren’t the only ones who suffer from inferiorety complex. The whole region does. Every ethnic group got their eyes on their neighbour.

          If you talk to Amharas, or Gurage/Silte, they will all say Tigrayans treated them badly when they had power, so they deserve it. Now everyone hates Oromians.

          I am just raising the inferiorety complex. On a personal level, I wish for equality and justice, no matter who it serves.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Nitricc,

    The brain dead parrot.

    I guess you are trying hard to protect your investment [usually a house] in Eritrea.

    Do you recall the time when you mocked the drowning of 100s of Eritreans in the Mediterranean Sea? You were just trying to impress the criminal Mafia Syndicate, to protect your investment.

    Now, you are using your free license to throw insults. Debates or insults you will never, ever win against me. I will make you cry until the moderator comes to your rescue.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ቀዳም መሲሉኒ ዕዳጋ ወሪደ
    ስድራ ስለዘብዛሕኩ ወሊደ ዘሚደ
    ብጌጋ ሓበሬታ ኣእምሮይ ሰወደ
    ከም ንቡር ናብራ ኤረትራ ከምቲ ዝተለምደ

    ዕዳጋ ምስ ወረድኩ ኣስቤዛ ክሽምት
    ተዳልየ ኣቕራሸይ ከብሎ ምሽት-ምሽት
    ኣብ መገዲ ጸኒሑ ዕግት

    ናበይ ደሊኻ? በለኒ
    ሓለዋ ህግደፍ ‘ዩ መስለኒ

    ናብ ዕዳጋ በልኩዎ ብድፍረት
    ናይ መን ኣዴኻ ዕዳጋ በለኒ ብንዕቀት
    ልበይ በለት መሸት
    ረሲዐዮ ምበር
    ኣብ መግዛእቲ ህግደፍ ዶ ኣሎዩ ክብረት
    ንትርፎ ምረት
    ዕንወት
    ስርዓቶም ትርሓቕ ስርዓት-ግለት
    ኣበሉዎ ‘ባ ንህዝብና ከርተት
    ኣካሎም ኣስመራ ሓንጎሎም ኣብ ጀርበት
    ፈረድዎ ህዝቢ ክከላበት
    ———-ንሕና ከይንሓብር
    ———-ህግደፍ ከይምሕር
    ዘበት!

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

      እንታይ’ግበር
      ናይ ህግደፍ ነገር

      ንሕና ጨኒቑና
      ንብሎ ጠፊኡና
      ብርኮም ኣብ ከሳድና
      ‘ተንፋስ ምስከልኡና

      ዓለም ከይትርኢ
      እዚ ኹሉ ያኢ

      ንኔው ገጻጌራ
      ምስ ዓመጽቲ ሻጢራ

      ቡሊስያ ኣብ ዓዲ ኤሜሪካ
      ንጹህ ሰብ ቀቲሎም
      ከብድኻ ዝበልዓካ

      ኩሉ ተላዒሉ
      ድሕሪ ደጊም ኢሉ
      ድምጹ ሓፍ ኣቢሉ

      ናኤሪትራዊ በደል ግን
      ዝሰምዖ ስኢኑ
      ንጎቦታትዶ
      ንእንስሳ መሮርዶ
      ንሩባታትዶ
      ወይስ ንስንጭሮ
      ንመንኢና ንነግሮ!

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ኢንጂነረ

        መን መን ምዃንኩም ‘ሎምስ ተደናጊረ’
        ሄለን መለስ ካይመስለኩም ዘኪረ
        እንትርፊ መዓር ኣየንበብኩን ዕረ

        ኣነ ዝተጸበኹ ካብ ጳውልሽ ኣዝማሪኖ
        ክንዲ መሮር፡ መሮሪኖ
        ክንዲ ስንጭሮ፡ ስንችሪኖ
        ክንዲ ሩባ፡ ጥዕምቲ ሩቢታ ሩቢኖ
        ስለ ዝኾነ ወደ’ስመራ ናይ ሓሩጫት ፊኖ

        ዘይኮነ ከም ወዲ ሓሸላ
        ብዘይካ ወደ’ዓከር ካልእ ዘይብላ
        ትጉሽተተይ፡ በሊዔዮ እየ ዓብየ ዚ’መዓር ወለላ
        ሓይኽካ ጸሚቑካ ዘይውዳእ ናቱ ዛላ

        ዝኾነ ኾይኑ ብዙሕ ሃውቲተ
        ኣይፋልኩምን ኣየብዛሕኩን መስተ

        ካይከውን ዘይልከፍ ለኺፈ
        ሓምሊ መሲሉኒ ቆንጠጠፈ

        ሰላም መዓልቲ

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ሃይላት
          ዶተረ
          ክንድዚ ጥበብ ከምዝዓቖረ
          ኣይፈልጥን ኔረ

          ሕጂ
          ሰብ ኣገሪሁ
          ኣድብዩ ጸኒሑ
          ዓቕሙ ኣርኣየና ብንግሆኡ
          ግን
          ቁርሱስ ርኢናያ ‘ንታያ ምሳሑ

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ሃይላት ዝገጠሞ
            ሃይላት ዘቃመሞ
            ሃይላት ዝኣለሞ
            ሃይላት ዝኸተሞ
            ሃይላት ዝዛዘሞ

            መን’ኣሎ ንዕዑ ዘርክቦ
            ኣበይ’ኣሎ ት’ዓቕሚ
            ኣበይ’ኣሎ ት’ሓቦ
            ሓደው ተዘይኮይኑ
            ‘ዝጊሄር ዝሃቦ!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጳውል፡

            በዚይ መጻኻ ፍጹም ካይተባህለ
            ዱብ ኣበልካለይ ምቁር ግጥማዊ ዕንጉለ

            ኣንታ በየን መጸ እዚ ግጥሚ
            ብጎድኒ ጸፊዑ ምስ መሬት መሳጠሚ

            ካዖ (KO) ኮይነ እንታይ ተሪፉኒ
            ሕጂ ተሰኤ እኔኹ ይሓሳሲ ዓይኒ

            ሕጂ’ኸ እዝነይ እንታይ’ዩ ዘሎ ዘስምዓኒ
            ኣዒንተይ እንታይ’የን ዘለዋ ዘንብባኒ
            ኣላሚ ዓለባ ካን ሳሬት እኮ ጌርካኒ?

            ሃሪ እንዳውጽአት ካብ መቐመጭኣ
            ትሰርሕ ገዛ-መጻወዲ ደቂሳ ተንሲኣ
            መዕለቢኣ መደቀሲኣ መፈሲሂኣ
            ብዘይካ ኮኸብ ኢንጂነረ መን የርክብ ንዓኣ
            ሳሬት’ሲ ዝሓወይ ትሕሾ ድኣ

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            ኣይፋልካን ሃይለ
            ኣነ ሕሩመይ’ለ
            ሚሒለ ጥሒለ
            እመኑኒ ኢለ
            ሓፍ’ኢለ ዘሊለ
            መሬት ከምተመቕለ

            ኩሉ ተሓምበበ
            ግጥሙ ምስተነበ
            ንዘይሰምዐ ክነግር
            ተኣምር መስተንክር

            ቃላት ምስተኣልሙ
            ከም ጻዕዳ ዓለባ
            ክውሕዙ ጀመሩ
            ልክዕ ከም ማይ ሩባ

            ገሊኦም ሆመር’ዩ
            ገሊኦም ዳንተ’ዩ
            ገሊኦም ኦቪድ’ዩ
            ክብሉ ምስጀመሩ
            ሓደ ተዛረበ ከምዚ እንዳበለ
            ሽሙ እዪ ሃይለ
            ቀለሙ ዋሓለ
            ናትና እዩ ናትና
            ካብ ማእከል ዓድና
            ክንደይ ተዓወትና!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Doctore,

            እቲ ቅዲ (format) ናይ ግጥምኻ ብጣዕሚ ጽቡቅ:: ንኣንባቢ ብቀሊሉ ባህታ ስለዝህብ ከይነኣድኩኻ ክሓልፍ አይደልን::

            regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            ቀደም ወዲ ዓሰርተ ኣርባዕተ ዓመት ከለኹ ምስ ጓል ሓትነይ መን ዝበለጸ ገጠመ ንዋዳደር ኔርና፣ ዳርጋ ከም ላግጺ ኢና ጀሚርናዮ፣ ብሕልፊ ሐሓጸርቲ ቃላት ተጠቂምካ ምግጣም፣ ዳሓር ግን ክንዓቢ ምስጀመርና፣ ናይ ናብራ ነገር፣ እቲ ድልየት ብኻልእ እንዳተተከአ ኸይዱ።

            Glad you like it and thank you!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጳውል

            ወይ’ለካ ገደደ እንሃልካ
            ናይ ሕጂ ናይ ድሓርካ

            በል ኣስተውዕል ክኸስተካ
            ብቦኽረ ተሪፉ ከዕልለካ

            የድሕንካ ካብ ዝተዓለለ
            ማለት’ዩ ብግእዝ ዝተፈለ

            ከይመልቆካ ካይትብል ዓሊሉ
            ማለት እዩ ዳርጋ ተጸሊሉ

            ትጽበ ካይትህሉ ዝብል ጽወየኒ
            ምስ ደቡባውያን ኣዝማደይ ካይተባእሰኒ

            ኣብ ቀረባ ዘርባዕባዕ እዮም ዘለዉ
            ኣብ ክንዲ ምስፋሕ መሪጾም ምጽባቡ

            በል ከም ከሳቴ-ብርሃን ክኸስተካ
            ንስኻ ኤዛና ኣነ ፍረሚናጦስ ክኾነልካ
            God-Willing ኣሸጊርካኒ እናደጋገምካ
            ብዛዕባ ሃይማኖት፡ በል እንሃልካ

            ቦኽረ ሕጊግ ይብል እናሃልካ ወርሒ ወርሒ ብዛዕባ ምስሪ
            ምስ ጀበርቲ መጣጢጡ እንዳራኸበ መትኣሳሰሪ

            ረሲዕዎ ካብ ትፍጠር ጀሚራ ምድረ ተዋህዶ
            ካብ ፍረሚናጦስ ዝጀመረ ተገዛእነት ግህዶ
            ተመራሒት ከምዝኾነት ብግብጻውያን ወለዶ

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            ኣብርሃ ዎ’ኣጽባሃ
            ኢዛና ሳይዛና
            ኩሎም መሰረትና
            ሓበንና ታሪኽና
            ኣይኰኑን ካ’በልካ
            አኽብሮ መትከልካ

            ድንቂ ጽወየኒ
            ሕራይ ንገረኒ
            እንታ’ይዩ ፍልልዩ
            ኣነስ ደንጽዩኒ
            ሓደ ኣይኮኑን ካብ’በልካ
            አኽብሮ መትከልካ

            ሓደ ህዝቢ ዲና
            ክልተ ህዝቢ ዲና
            ሰለስተ ህዝቢ ዲና
            ወይስ ኣህዛብ ኢና?
            ኣይኮናን ካብ’በልካ
            አኽብሮ መትከልካ

            ዓለም ዝፈጠረ
            ንዓይውን ፈጠረ
            ፈለማ ፍጥረትና
            ኣህብይ’ዮም ካብ በልካ
            አኽብሮ እምነትካ!

          • Ask EmaHash

            ብጣዕሚ ጽቡቅ፣ ብሓቂ ቅልል ዝበለ ግጥሚ ንኽትርድኦ።

          • Haile S.

            Erased to paste it in the right place

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I was actually having fun with it. And I completely forgot who Bokre was. In fact I never watched his lectures. Only I found out about him when Aya Saleh and you I believe talked about him.

          • Haile S.

            ጳውል፡

            ይቕሬታ ጋግየካ እንዴ። ናይ ቦኽረ ልብሲ ምልባሰ ይትረፍካ። እኳ ኣየጥዕመልካ!
            ጥዑም ለይቲ!

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            No worries. Gearing up to serious stuff…..I am sure I am being biased but would you say, Tigrinya rhymes stronger than other languages? Or is it equally the same? Say European languages or Arabic for that matter.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,

            Very interesting question that needs professional input. I will try tomorrow my non-professional one.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ዶተረ
        ኣበይ ሓቢእካዮ
        ሕጂ
        ሓደ-ድሕሪ-ሓደ ቃላት ሰዂዕካዮ
        ይበል! ይበል! ጸላኢ ኣይርኣዮ
        በል ኣይሕፈር ጀምር ዳሕዳሓዮ
        ንሃይላት ኣጓይዮ
        ኣላህዮ
        ከም ኩዳ ዓዲ ኾተዮ

  • Paulos

    Selam All,

    As it happened, Keria Ibrahim the President of the House of Federation has resigned! Do I hear you say, መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላት? I agree but the thing is she said the same farewell to the behind remaining. She didn’t just resign incognito so to speak but she made a scathing statement aimed at Abiy and his handlers. Brave woman!

    • Teodros Alem

      selam paulos
      What different does it make if this keria has resigned or not? Another stuipid will come fill her position, a lot of people has been holding her position before her and nothing nothing changed.
      what matters for the peoples of ethiopia specially for oromos, somalas, afars , benshangule, gambala and so is the current constitution has to be democratically implemented so that favoring of one kilil from other must stop, this is a must. Otherwise let ethiopia exploded to 1000 pieces.

      • Paulos

        Tedros,

        I actually agree but hers could be more personal as well where she doesn’t want to be party of any crime the regime might perpetrate in a bid to hold on to power.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam paulos
          I really don’t care why, how she resigned, what did she does different from the previous people that hold the position before her? nothing.
          tplf is right now trying to change the constitution sarcastically, they r playing as if they r against changing the constitution,, this whole changing the constitution thing is tplf’s work.they r behind it.
          tigrai can’t collect taxes more than 2 billions birr, according to the constitution local(kilols) government has to manage thier own internal affairs by themselves, tplf can’t even pay a gov employee salary let alone to do extra development job.

    • Abi

      Paul
      I guess the lady wants to stay close to dedebit caves.
      The Tigray budget has increased by 3 Billion ( Billion with B) since Abiy came to power. I think you forgot to tell us this important information. 445,000,000.00 Birr allocated to Tigray farmers. Again, you forgot to tell us this important information.
      Saul, you have sold your soul.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Glad the gallant ፈንቅል guys have taken over otherwise the Weyane thugs and daylight robbers would have wasted the money on Alcohol and fattening their wallets.

        • Abi

          Paul
          “አትሩጥ አንጋጥ” ይላል ያገሬ ሰው ሲያስጠነቅቅ::
          በጊዜ ንስሃ ግባ:: ነፍስህን ሸጠህ ሲኦል እንዳትሰምጥ::

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡ ሰላም ያ’ወተ ህዝብ፡

            እንዴ!!!!!! በወ/ሮ ከርያ ምን ኣጣላችሁ
            እሳቸው መቀሌ ተመልሰዋል እባካችሁ

            ወደ ውድ ቤተሰቦቻቸው
            ተነገ ወዲያ እንዳያኖሩ ፊርማቸው

            ኣንዲት የፖሊት-ቢሮ ኣባል፡ እስቲ ኣስቡት
            በወንድሞቻቸው ኣንጀት ሲያኖሩ ችቦ’ሳት

            ብልጥዋ ወ/ሮ ከርያ
            እውነትም የሰላም ኣርኣያ

            ኣዲስ-ኣበባ ሆነው እንኳን ኣልለቀቁ ወንበራቸው
            ምን በተባለ ነበር የጥፍር እንቅፋት ብታጋጥማቸው

        • Saleh Johar

          Paulos,
          I thought Ras Abi was my friend but he didn’t consider my appeal to lend us some of the Fenqil troops, or tell them to march further and call me when they reach Hashela’s village. He is very friendly to you, maybe you can serve as an amalaj 🙂 That is if Fenqil is not a paper tiger, if it is real, we do not have to wait too long to discover. All power to fenqelti!!

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            As you know, the entire Weyane thugs are under arrest including the old timers and the gallant ፈንቅል guys are in a total control. And next plan according to the briefing they gave to reporters, they are headed North to liberate Eritrea. As the song has it, ይመጽእ’ኣሎ ጠጥዕሙ ዜታው ተጻዒኑ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            As expected you got it wrong.
            Fenkil stays home. They have no business liberating Eritrea.
            What is looking to liberate Eritrea is your Agazian movement.
            Try again.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Paulosay:
            You mean to declare the old new Axumite Empire?
            The best and well armed TPLF to its teeth and fully backed by it’s Western Masters along with the entire old Soviet Top Army Generals and Advisors, Pilots , N Korean and Ukrainian Mercenaries and a 100 million Ethiopians FAILED miserably to subjugate the EDF and the YikeAlo Eritreans.
            Good luck!
            You sound like one of the Advisors of the Tigrai Fenkil Gang.
            Just an FYI:
            The Tigrai Fenkil u might be Admiting might be under the Command of the EDF!
            The same EPLF/EDF will escort Prof Dr Aregawi Berhe’s Fenkil to the Mekele Palace, like the EPLF did to the TPLF FENKIL!

          • Paulos

            Sultan,

            Tell us or summarize it for us for I for one kinda not in the mood to listen to Rahel’s “should’ve knowns”, “second thoughts” or is it regrets for being pro bono assistant to Sofia.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            My interest was Ms Emnet’s penetrating factual analysis and arguments, not the naive and empty-headed Rahel!

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            እታ ሰብኣይ!? ክላ በል ምሕረት ኣውርደልካ!

            ደንበይ ድኣ ብተጋሩ ተመሪሖም ደመጹ ኣምሓሩ ኣብ ሓሙኽሽቲ ቀይሮሞ እንድዮም።

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            It is your right to belittle the movement that is happening all over Tigray. You should be envy of this movement and try to duplicate it in your country. ቄሮና ፋኖ ወያኔን ወደ ደደቢት የሸኙት በእንዲህ ያለ እንቅስቃሴ እንደነበር ቢረሱት ወይም ባያምኑበት የሚደንቅ አይደለም::
            ይህን የፈንቅል እንቅስቃሴ መደገፍ ቢያቅትዎ ለማደናቀፍ መሞከር ግን ከአንድ የፍትህ ተሟጋች የሚጠበቅ ተግባር አይደለም:: ለነገሩ ሁሉም የፍትህ ተሟጋች ተመሳሳይ አይደለም::

            You missed your own version of ቄሮ ፋኖ ፈንቅል movements when the majority of the people stayed home instead of standing together with the courageous አክሪያ students who fought for their rights.
            It was a wasted chance.

      • Teodros Alem

        abi
        Tella, it is not a budget, it is “degoma” support from the federal gov.and that is the known practice in ethiopia, those kilil that has less income got bigger percentage of support according to thier income.
        but the federal gov don’t have a mandate to do water project in kilils and don’t have a mandate to do local roads other than inter-kilil roads according to the constitution.
        and u have to know this simple constitutional laws before u open ur Q mouth.

      • Selam Abi,
        What else the poor woman could have done? She is a senior tplf official. She was told to resign and she did. Otherwise, they would have kicked her out of the party, and she would have remained alone, or joined some other party. She would never have set foot again in Tigray as long as tplf remains in power if she refused.
        She did nothing exceptional. The main point is rather where would such behaviour take tplf by excluding itself from the federal government and exploiting every opportunity to show that it is opposed to everything the federal government does? If they are too foolish to force the federal government to cut their budget, it will be the day when the people of Tigray will rise against tplf, and they will be forced to run back to dedebit, and the circle will be completed. What will happen to the old and frail group who can’t run and hide? Nobody know. They will be forced to beg the people to forgive them, taking in to consideration their old age, more than anything else. That will be an ugly end for such arrogant people. Their fall will be as dramatic as their rise to power. Arrogance makes people deaf and blind, and tplf is a good example..

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Horizon,
          The lady explained why she resigned. You can believe it or disbelieve it. You chose to disbelieve all of it. My question, would you entertain the idea that what she said is the truth? If not, how would you feel taking you speculation, perception to be the alternative truth? As for me, I heard what she said and what you concluded. I have to believe what she said because there is no evidence that people can read what is in peoples’ mind.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            Do you remember her iconic picture when she stood up with her fisted right hand up right in front of General Se’are’s casket and Abiy sitting a few feet right behind her? That is what I call a gutsy character. And is it because she is a woman and a Tigrean and perhaps something else as well that she is being undermined by people who can never learn either from history or recent past? One wonders.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            You need to give it a rest. Nobody even knows who killed Seare.

          • Selam SJG,
            Has she said anything different from what tplf would have said, or could she have said anything different? She may have given it a personal tint, nevertheless, it was from the tplf book. It is tplf’s truth. She said nothing different and nothing new. She said what any tplf official is forced to say in this situation.
            Her truth is that the tplf Constitution should be left alone. Other people say the Constitution could be interpreted and amended. Why should the truth be on her side only. Could she talk of dictatorship for this. She was singing the known tplf song, we had been hearing for so long, that Abiy is becoming a dictator, he is bringing back a unitary system of government and generally, the sky is falling in Ethiopia, because things are not happening by the tplf book.
            This is tplf’s truth which is also her truth. There is a pattern, and the pattern is created by tplf, and it is to demean, demonize and oppose the incumbent government with all their power and breathe. The lady is part of it. She didn’t come from any other place.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said “She was told to resign and she did”, how do you know she was told to resign?

            Thanks

          • Selam Samuel,
            Will it satisfy you if i tell you that she is a senior official in the tplf party and her party vehemently opposes the federal government and her allegiance to her party forces her to stand within the party lines. Therefore, she couldn’t be part of the government that is opposed by her party by staying without consequences? Why do you ask a question that has an obvious answer?

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said “her party forces her to stand within the party lines” Does it mean that PMAA is forcing his senior officials stand with him? Isn’t it better to assume each senior official is making their own decision?

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            You can oppose the leader of a party but not the party policy or undermine it. Otherwise, you leave. That is what i know.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Horizon:
            Not only the TPLF and its Officials, including Ms Keris Ibrahim,undermined and disobeyed Dr AAA and his party but they threatened to overthrow the Federal Govt publicly and violently!
            And those TPLF Cadres are trying to lecture us and convince us about Ms Keria’s “heroism“??
            Zemen Ghirinbid mai ni-Akeb!

          • Selam Sultan,

            Unfortunately, tplf thinks that ethiopians revolve around it. They are the sun and the other ethnic groups are the planets. This is the reason their guru told them in the past that they are the golden people. The ethnic division tplf cultivated grew to engulf it. It continues to sow the wind to reap the whirlwind. They are very dangerous people: conceited and arrogant, and they believe in one and only one thing, their own interest and not even the interest of their people.
            The way they present things gives the impression that unless their way, Tigray is ready to declare its independence, and still they stay because they are sorry for poor old ethiopia. Nevertheless, with one caveat. It seems that their independence hangs from the shoulders of oromo federalists like jawar and bekele g., whom they see as their trojan horses. The irony is that, especially jawar used to be sworn enemy of tplf until he became their bed fellow, and stupid bekele g. suffers from the stockholm syndrome after years in a tplf dungeon, and he has fallen in love with tplf. If i were a tplf, i wouldn’t have trusted them even for a second. Of course, a deal between scoundrels lasts until the one betrays the other. Tplf betrayed olf soon after it landed in Addis. In this case, history will certainly be repeated.
            Some people tell us that Tigray is politically, economically and socially ready to secede and become independent. I can’t be sure about it, but it seems that tax revenue in 2018 was not even four billion birr and tigray gets more than seven billion birr budget from the central government, to be increased to more than ten billion birr in the coming budget. You can see the economic base on which they depend and they want to do miracles.
            Fortunately, except tplf and its supporters the vast majority of Tigrayans are still true Ethiopians, however tplf’s propaganda may try to the opposite, and tigrayans, unlike tplf, want ethiopia to continue to exist.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Horizon. Those on the TPLF payroll aside, most others here unfortunately have no real interest in developing much needed peaceful relations between Eritrea and Ethiopia. It is all about a power game: Removing PIA/PFDJ at all costs and by whatever means necessary (even if this means supporting or receiving support of the TPLF and terrorist entities) so that their group may usurp power; much in a bid to settle old wounds between the ELF and EPLF. Forget about their vision for Eritrea for they will never enter details in this regard.

          • Selam Mokie B.
            The drama and the irony is that, what we used to hear, ie. “eritrean solution for an eritrean problem” is gradually shifting with a concerted action and in a covert way by pro-tplf eritreans, to “a tplf solution for an eritrean problem”. You can understand what they have planned for eritrea. Some of them have started to doubt eritrea’s viability alone by itself. Like the proverbial scorpion, they want tplf to ride on the back of the frog in order to take it to the opposite safe shore.
            Who do you think they want power for? If it is for a genuine eritrean group, I see no problem there. The worst scenario is that they want power for the sake of tplf, thus giving eritrea to tplf on a platter. Agaziland is also the dream of many eritreans, and tplf’s greater tigray was never dead, and it lives in the psych of tplf and it’s supporters.
            In my opinion, they see things this way. The friend of their enemy is also their enemy. Tplf and its supporters see Abiy and Issias A under the same prism. They carry out a double pronged attack, much more against the one they think is stronger. Only with the removal of both of them can they achieve their goal.
            As much as the ethiopian pm is concerned, his detractors have become voodoo priests, and they call him all types of names. They character assassinate him day and night with every chance they may find. They think that if they succeed to evict Abiy first from power using some Oromo sellouts, so called Federalists, IA, they believe, could be easily removed. To reach Asmara, they they have to pass first through Addis.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            For a Person who said “Derg was not defeated” (which in fact was disintegrated completely by the joint EPLF/TPLF forces), how do you characterize him, Mr Horizon? In my book, he is a bogus person who doesn’t know the meaning of the word “defeat.” If he is not sincere to the historical fact, he will not be sincere to unite the Ethiopian people. He must go for the sake of the Ethiopian people. Ethiopia has many capable individuals from “all its make ups” than him, and who is a pathological lair and a copycat of Trump with same frequency on lying.

            Regards

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            Indeed, how could he say that and for what reason? How ever, let me ask you, how could you praise so much MZ who killed more than 200 unarmed citizens in broad daylight in Addis, who was responsible for the anuak massacre, and sent tens of thousands of ethiopians to their death only to turn a victory achieved with a lot of sacrifice in to a defeat, and unashamedly his FM came out and told the biggest lie to the ethiopian people saying that badme was awarded to ethiopia, etc? How could you support tplf with its history of crimes, torture and theft? If you believe that MZ/tplf were factors of ethiopian unity, then it is an insult to the intelligence of the ethiopian people, who know first hand all the sufferings under MZ/tplf. The political and social crises and instability ethiopians live today are their legacy.
            If indeed he has said as you say, no one lost his/her life and no one suffered for it. Only that some people found food for criticism, when there are no other serious reasons to accuse him for, such as crimes, theft, incarcerations, torture, etc.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            First we are debating on the character of Abiy. I didn’t mention MZ. Second from your argument it sounds, if you support MZ I will support Abiy no matter how endlessly lies. That is not argument Mr Horizon? My message in my comment was that there are many competent Ethiopian individuals from all your social groups than this pathological lair.

          • Selam Amanuel H.
            We are discussing Ethiopian politics. You can’t discuss Abiy in isolation. You compare him to tplf even if you don’t say it right away.
            If he doesn’t satisfy you because you are biased towards tplf’s interest, it is your person matter. Ethiopians could see him differently. If he doesn’t satisfy you, it doesn’t mean that 100m Ethiopians have the same opinion with tplf supporters.
            Please, don’t cherypick the topic of discussion in order to sanitizer mz and tplf. We should discuss Ethiopian politics as a whole. You can’t discuss Ethiopian politics since the last three decades by excluding tplf. It is the point of reference until it leaves the scene all together.
            Can you be the judge of Abiy from your biased position against him in support of tplf? You say he refused to accept the defeat of the derg. What else other than the imagined lies tplf supporters accuse him for? Should we hide all the sins committed by tplf and not mention them in comparison to his so called lies, which cost nobody nothing? It is not possible, otherwise, we can’t make an objective discussion about Ethiopian politics.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said “Should we hide all the sins committed by tplf”.
            How about the crimes committed the last two years, have you held PMAA responsible? Did you read the Amnesty report? As we speak many people are being killed in Oromia, Amhara and South region, why are you not worried about the crimes being committed now and the last two years? Where is your fairness?

            Focus on the crimes committed in the last two years. Who is responsible?

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            መቼም እፍረት አልተፈጠረባችሁም:: አንተና መሰሎችህ እንደመለሶቻችሁ ተጠራርጋችሁ የምትጠፉበት ቀን ናፈቀኝ::

          • Abi

            Horizon
            አብይ ዋሸ ተብሎ አገር ለመምራት አይበቃም የሚል ሰው በዛው ምላሱ ጨፍጫፊውን መለስ “visionary” መሪ ይለዋል::
            ጥያቄው :ውሸታሙ ማነው?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Your statement: “You compare him to tplf even if you don’t say it right away”.

            In my two comments I didn’t mention TPLF or MZ. Why don’t argue on what I wrote? My statement is simple and direct, which does not require interpretation, and it is: “There are many individual Ethiopians from all your social groups that could lead and unite Ethiopia than the pathological lair and divisive Abiy Ahmed.” If you are serious debater quote and argue. Second, how on heaven sake one could compare a “person” with an “organization”? Pls check out your comment.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            The point is you lost all your credibility when you praise the known killing machine aka Meles zenawi as a visionary leader. You never said anything that is remotely negative or criticizing his policies that chocked Eritrea to death.
            You never uttered a word when he was lying about the fake elections he doctored. I can write a book itemizing his blunders.
            Now, you are relentlessly attacking Abiy for the last two years. You were deaf for the previous twenty seven years when Meles ruled the country under a gun. You never mentioned the corruption and nepotism that was rampant during his rule.
            The reason you are against Abiy is because he is not from Tigray. You are a known ዘረኛ who said Ethiopia is nothing without Tigray. It is all about ዘር for you. Had he been from ተምቤን , you would have called him another visionary leader.

            Your visionary leader left his people in the dark. They are now like አር የነካው እንጨት in the society.
            You must be blinded by ጠባብ ዘረኝነት to call Meles a visionary leader.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            I really do not want to answer to your nonsense comment. You could not argue on what I commented. Because you can’t. Have a good one.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            I’m not really looking for response from you. I’ve been around in this forum for too long I know what you think.
            ከጠባብ ዘረኛ ምንም አልጠብቅም::

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            When you did not show up for extended period of time, it was Abination who alerted us about it and he was worried so much so that he asked everyone of us if we had your contact number. He is truly a good person and of course so are you. What I am trying to say is that it is healthy to have differences in opinions but at the end of the day it is just that. It is all good!

          • Selam Amanuel H,
            You can tell me not to mention mz and tplf till Kingdom come and to condemn the Ethiopian pm only, but that is impossible, because you can’t speak of one thing without comparing it with another – a person, an organisation, etc.. We can’t debate from inside a box.
            I know that as a diehard tplfist, you will say anything to demean and demonize Abiy, your nemesis, the man who sent tplf from the throne of power at the center to become an organisation that is equal among equals. Its authoritarian power had been squashed by the person whom you call a pathological liar.
            Abiy doesn’t serve tplf as HMD did. That is his true crime as much as tplf apologists are concerned, not because he said anything significant for which you are ready to crucify him. A.H., find something of significance to abuse him. Don’t dwell on minor topics. He is a human being, he can do mistakes. Accuse him for his actions and not for his words. Then, your accusation may hold water. Otherwise, we will be going in a circle, wasting the time of our readers. Serious debating didn’t mean cherry picking to support one’s narrative.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mokie,

            I hope you are not series when you said “ Forget about their vision for Eritrea’s leadership for they will never enter details in this regard. Just ask them to provide names of people that can serve as interim Head of State in Eritrea and see how silent they become. ”.

            For starters I think any Halafi Mengedi or collected people from the street will do better job than IA and HGDF.

            I actually think you could make a great member of the tradition team based on what you told me the other day about how yo fight the regime.

            Since you ask me to name names, for me, Saay would be my first choice to lead the tradition team and pick his people (team).

            And I will be happy to serve as his shoe shining (listro) during the transition period.

            You should see his latest article on Eritrea digest dot com. It’s now weekend and I want to fool disqus and here is his list of “How to fight To WIN” manifesto. I think it’s probably the best action oriented plan he has written.

            Berhe

            How To Fight To Win
            1. Identify your enemy: It is Isaias (the man), Isaiasism (the ideology), Isaiasists/NNNN (the cult). As long as the enemy exists, Eritrea (land + people) and normality won’t. Normality is generations of Eritreans living in Eritrea. Right now only the family of Isaias Afwerki (his mother, himself, his children and his grandchildren) feel safe enough to live in Eritrea.
            2. Identify your goal: It is to defeat Isaias, Isaiasism and Isaiasists. It is not to reconcile with it, it is not to co-exist with it, but to prevail over it.
            3. Identify your strategy: politics is a Team Sport: no solo act works. Be willing to join: you can’t work alone and complain about lack of results. Be willing to accept united front instead of search for elusive unity.
            4. Identify our people. Be real: When you hear the phrase “the Eritrean People”, don’t imagine the Diaspora wearing Isaias T-shirts and wrapping itself in green-yellow-red-blue bandanas and shawls. Think of Eritreans in refugee camps; Eritreans in prison and their families; families of martyrs trying to eke out a living by running vegetable stands; families of the disappeared; Afar fisherman who can no longer fish; Kunamas uprooted almost completely, and all ORDINARY (hafash) Eritreans who live in terror.
            5. Be willing to say No: Forming a “united front” does not mean you embrace causes, individuals, institutions committed to take Eritrea to civil war or to medieval times.
            6. Accept Organizational Discipline. This means that if you join an organization, sometimes you will be bound by decisions you don’t fully agree with. But only if they are bound by their charter.
            7. Embrace institutionalism: And that includes Eritrean institutions of Armed Forces, Courts, Media which have been overtaken by Isaias, Isaiaism, Isaisists.
            8. Don’t hate the PFDJ (the institution); infiltrate it and take it over.
            9. If you are forced into conscripted service–civil service, military–ask always whether an order advances Isaiasism or Eritrea and if it is the former sabotage it.
            10. Isaias/Isaiasism, has had a long uninterrupted record of adventurism and miscalculations–Hanish Islands War, Badme War, Congo War, Sudan Civil War, Somalia Civil War, Djibouti Border War, Yemen Civil War. So treat with extreme skepticism all calls for new wars camouflaged as defensive wars. In short, The Leader Is Always Wrong.
            11. Form allies and alliances with organizations and countries who recognize Isaiasism as a menace.
            12. Learn your history: there was life before Isaiasism. There will be life after Isaiaism is defeated.
            13. Don’t be afraid to aspire to lead and to have the ambition to govern Eritrea: it is your right as a citizen to do so and you don’t need the blessing of Isaiasists for it.
            14. It is not enough to be against something; you must be for something. Be always driven by a vision of a self-ruled, free, just, democratic Eritrea at peace with itself and its neighbors.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Thank you for sharing the structured road-map on how not only move forward but on how to identify the enemy and unite people of a common goal. Sal has done a fantastic job. The only downside I see in it is, its inability to reach the larger audience where as you know not only people are more at ease with Tigrinya but the more preferable conduit or medium is visual as in Youtube for instance. Or if he could translate it to Tigrinya for the reason stated on the above.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo

            I think it is in the works.

            Gheaze Hagos was praising on the article …FB and Saay reply was ”

            “እታ ዓንቀስ ናብ ትግሪንያ ክትትርግም ያ ሽዑ ከም በዓል ገዛኢ መራሕትና ከሊስኩም አመዓራሪኹም ማኒፈስቶ ገርኩም ወዱቡና፡፡”.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            That would be great. Sal understands the effectiveness of alliance with clarity. Isaias got where he is precisely for the same reason. Strategy and tactics are the breathing machine of political calculus particularly in power-politics. I am not necessarily for forming alliance with specific powers but think, think and think. That is what smart people do. And do you know what stupid people do? They live in the past and that is precisely the reason Isaias is scr*wing them over and over again.

            I remember not long ago, Sal designated Isaias as a benevolent dictator but obviously he has evolved and he is calling Isaias the number one enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans. We need to learn. Situations evolve due to political contingencies and we adjust our thinking accordingly!

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            So far #11 has been the Achilles verse of the opposition. Any opposition that works with TPLF will have hard time to coalesce a broad spectrum of the population.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            I agree with you and I am sure Saay recognizes that. What he said is for clarification purposes:

            11. Form allies and alliances with organizations and countries who recognize Isaiasism as a menace.

            I think this is not necessary mean working with TPLF, but countries and organization who recognize Isayas Aferoki destruction existence, such as the UN Special Rapporteur, UN Food Program, UN country representatives (Mokie Berhe had shared a very good list), Amnesty, etc..as well as countries who are the blood line of the regime as well as western and neighboring countries.

            Berhe

          • Mokie Berhe

            Hi Berhe Y. There are only a few names that come to mind regarding possible interim leaders for Eritrea and two are inside of Eritrea (now neutralised) and a few are outside of Eritrea; Saay while certainly a clever guy is not one of them as a result of his acumen including former alliance with the TPLF and other controversial entities. To add, that there could also be additional name(s) from those that are now imprisoned, but I am doubtful of their status. Along with names of potential leaders, comes a need to have a completely transparent political platform. For example, religious secularism and how that is interpreted, will be a major issue in a post PIA/PFDJ Eritrea given its religious composition; in this connection should Sharia law be allowed to exist as well as faith based educational institutions? And, it would certainly be useful for political platforms to advance thoughts on how the Port of Assab is managed and operated given that it is mainly a Thru-Cargo port for Ethiopian bound cargo and Ethiopia’s land-locked status; careful articulation of approach is required in this regard to ensure long-term peaceful co-existence with Ethiopia. Political platforms should also avail direction/thoughts on financial, banking and investment strategies; will they be Government controlled or privatised? Add on strategies tor Education and Judicial positioning and Foreign Affairs policy.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            So you say Sal had been in alliance with TPLF? And could you be a good sport for once and tell us exactly when? Moreover, Isaias conspired with TPLF to defeat Eritreans as in ELF and that still is swell and dandy with you? You really are a funny dude!

          • Mokie Berhe

            Paul. Sorry sport but I don’t play games with those on TPLF payroll. However, Samuel’s now on the court waiting for you and the score is love-love.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            I asked you a simple and straightforward question. Again, can you tell us when did Sal form alliance with TPLF? You can’t just smear people’s names if you can’t back up your allegations with evidences and facts or else take your Gestapo cr*p somewhere else.

          • Aligaz G

            Mok

            Saay is not TPLF. Don’t label people just because you disagree with them. Not cool

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Aligaz. Never said or interred that Saay was TPLF and to his credit, he has at times openly criticised the TPLF and over the past year or so, has more properly distanced himself. However, he did say that ‘TPLF, lifted its people from 100 years of humiliation and for that, I salute it.’ he also was in the same choir that advocated TPLF>U.S. instigated sanctions on Eritrea and ardently supported the TPLF’s interpretation of the EEBC’s final and binding border decision. Lest not forget that he is also associated with a ‘group’ for which has received TPFL support. My prior comment was not meant to assail Saay but just to say that he is not the right person for future leadership positions in Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Hello mokie
            Saay has been critical to Tplf for years. I think you missed his fierce debates with T Kifle and Hayat Adem.
            The quotation you brought up is definitely said by iSem.

            Saay can be an excellent secretary of education.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Abi. Saay did say it before in a response to made to Amde. Please refer to Awate article ‘TPLF Anniversary Celebrations Look Ahead to Regional Integration’ dated February 18, 2015. Given that said, the intent of my earlier email was not to assail Saay and I will therefore amend earlier comment for I beleive that Saay is sincere in his wishes for positive change in Eritrea and his heart is in the right place. This message to self-destruct after 20 mics.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mokie,

            I think you are wrong on associating saay with TPLF, you need to correct that.

            I am grateful and hopeful, that two proud Ethiopians on this site (Abi and Aligaz) have pointed it out for you. I see that we have crossed a milestone when it comes to deal with each other (our countries) in principle and with honestly. Well done Saleh Johar for making this happen by creating this forum. Honestly.

            I gave you Saay as my choice half side of me wishful thinking (as I have been trying for the past 10 plus years) and the other half of me joking (as how much Saay hates meetings and circular meetings) but he doesn’t seem to get it to think there is actually such need for it. But seriously thought I think leading the transition would be a great asset he can bring, no agenda, no hunger for power but pure labour of love and to see the misery of our country end. And he has a lot of sense of humor that he will win any body over. He is just a guy you trust no matter what, and he will make you at ease. I also invited you to watch the latest Negarit edition.

            You listed a lot of details but I don’t think, which to be honest I don’t know if it required or expected from a transitional government. He summed it up with a single sentence and he wrote:

            “It is not enough to be against something; you must be for something. Be always driven by a vision of a self-ruled, free, just, democratic Eritrea at peace with itself and its neighbors.”

            Eritrea has a lot of reference points that it can start with including policy implemented by the PFDJ but not only in paper but in practical terms.

            And I think you missed the whole point of being a transition government. It is a government that is not interested creating in policy, political vision etc…it’s main purpose is to transition to a free and democratic government, but being free and fair from taking sides, picking winners etc. It’s main objective is to build trust, to free those imprisoned, to work to restore justice, reconciliation etc.

            Those who are interested in governing will and should come up with their plans in how to govern and the people will decide the outcome.

            Berhe

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Berhe Y. Thanks for your comments. Please note that I had taken into consideration comments of Abi and Aligaz and have amended/deleted my earlier entries in regards to Saay.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            When it is time for Translational Government, I nominate Teg Vet Mahmud for president. As an honorary Eritrean, it will be my honor to vote for him.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I like Teg Mahmud and I think a he makes a good candidate running for the leadership representing his party. He is shaebia / EPLF to the core and I don’t know if he can be a fair person to give the benefit of the doubt to others who are not shaebia.

            For example, I think he has this view that anyone went to Ethiopia/weyane and spoke with Melles or TPLF or anyone who was Ethiopia government leader is tainted with “weyane” and wanting come and rule Eritrea on the back of weyane.

            That may be the case for some but not for everyone. What he forgot is, for some the only reason they went to Ethiopia is:

            1) They are not able to go to Eritrea because of EPLF
            2) Sudan has become a dangerous place to operate

            In Eritrea, I think we are lucky there is a two divide (Jebha/ Shaebia) which I think it may be a blessing in disguise in my opinion. I see it as an American political divide (democrat / republican) and we just need a new third way, which is not affiliated to above.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I vote for him if he runs to be Ethiopian President in a heartbeat.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I thought you were happy that you are no longer under our rule:) and celebrating your independence from us.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I know you are joking. My point is he will be a great president with no baggage attached.
            Do I agree with him all the time? No. I don’t agree with myself all the time.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I know what you mean. One thing I admire Mahmud, he never lose his cool and stops talking to you, even when disagree with you, like when he takes on Hayat and my friend iSem.

            My reservation with him is, sometimes he assumes everyone who disagree with Isayas and PFDJ and wanting power. I certainly had my share of disagreement on that but he means good and I admire his good heart and confidence. Real symbol of Shaebia.

            But for sure he can be a good defence minister or head of Eritrea intelligence office keeping the country security and interest in tact. I can sleep well under his watch:).

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Berhe

            good to see that you are beating Abi with his own (lingual) stick

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You are making a big mistake here.
            Teg Vet Mahmud is one of the people I admire.
            You are just passing the salt to the wrong person.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            It is frightening that the spectrum of our shared view is widening.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I’m glad but not frightened:)

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Nice list. Will earn you an A++ as a classroom essay. Nothing more in the real life Eritrean context.

            Mutual distrust. Absence of natural glue. A dying guerrilla generation. War/Civil War fatigue. Apathy among the young for project Eritrea. People are busy running their life, such as paying their bills. It is cheaper and less complicated to pay the 2% imposition, to ward off the EPLF/PFDJ demon.

            Once bitten, twice shy [Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me].

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Simon Kaleab. You are indeed right in the points that you have raised. Even in the absence of potential individual leaders who may serve in a transitional Eritrean Government, the Eritrean opposition (or a majority thereto), simply remains unable to join unison on a transparent or even semi-transparent political platform. A major fear that I have for the future of Eritrea is political divide & turmoil based upon religion. Personally, I believe that strict secularism needs to be pursued for which would prohibit any form of faith-based schools or Sharia law. In the past, whenever opposition conferences are held, rightly or wrongly, they seem to always get attacked on the basis of lack of religious inclusion/parity. Best to remove religion from the quotient at earliest opportunity when it comes to Eritrea’s future governance.

          • David Samson

            Selam MB,

            Do not worry about TG. We have enough time to ponder over it, but first, is there a vacancy? TG is just a workshop which the opposition used for refreshments and picnic.

            If past record is to go by, IA will be around for a while and hand over the reign to his son when he drops or cannot move. Mugabe was dozing off on his chair when the generals helped him to get up from his chair, but IA appears to be fit for his age.

            Contrary to all the dooms scenario predicted by the so-called analyst I never believed anything will happen to Eritrea. I was slaughtered when I asked Eritrean to park Badme on a side until we get the parking lot clean. Badme has remained as it has always
            been forever, but Eritrea has left with bare-bones. Now while we talk Eritrea and TG, there will be no-one left to inhabit the land called Eritrea, but the country as Badme will be around forever. If you want to nominate a person for TG, I think Kiflom Dafla is the best-qualified person. He has a conciliatory tone, coolness, and extremely good listening skills. I know he does not have the killer instinct of politicians, but he could be our best bet I can think of to calm down the storm when Eritreans will be at each other’s throats once IA departs the scene.

            As Simon rightly
            said, young people are not interested in project Eritrea. All they want is to
            live comfortably in the west as we all do. Grouping people in a place and you
            call it whatever you like to call it, but in the 21st century, most
            people are well-informed and will not easily buy the nation: Let’s build
            Eritrea

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Simon,

            You remember i asked you a while ago if you Avatar is the map of Axum kingdom and you said yes. I know you didn’t say that, but I am guessing you would really like to see the Axum kingdom established as a viable region and country, on both sides of the ReaSea:).

            If you have that ambitious vision I think what you listed as “mutual distrust, natural glue, etc..etc..” is probably walk in the park…

            I think listing all the problems is one thing, but we also need to find a solution.

            I recommend that you listen to this wonderful Negarit episode with guest host Saleh and Abdela Adem on the occasion Eid AlFitr and May 24, where Saleh Gadi was given the certificate of accomplishment or….I will not spoil it..

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZ4eip_wRg

            I loved the episode…

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            10. Isaias/Isaiasism, has had a long uninterrupted record of adventurism and miscalculations–Hanish Islands War, Badme War, Congo War, Sudan Civil War, Somalia Civil War, Djibouti Border War, Yemen Civil War. So treat with extreme skepticism all calls for new wars camouflaged as defensive wars. In short, The Leader Is Always Wrong.

            Hi Berhe; don’t present a lie as a fact. I understand you are trying to be more Eritrean the Eritreans who fought and died for but please have some shame.
            Now, Hanish; When Eritrea was under Ethiopia, Hanish was part of Ethiopia i.e. when Eritrea become independent, Yemen said it belongs to her. mind all those years Yemen never voiced anything but as soon as Eritrea become independent, Yemen knew that Eritrea is new, weak and disable to stand of to Yemen. They were wrong and Eritrea defended what was her’s. So, please read before you tell your lie.
            Badime: if you can’t figure this out then i have nothing to say to you. Badime was needed to ignite and to set in to wards the greater agenda, greater Tigray. TPLF didn’t start in Badime, they started with Adi-Murug. why? It was a trap and Eritrea fall for it.
            Somalia civil war? what F are you talking about? Now Eritrea is responsible for Somalia civil war? WTF?

            Djibouti Border War: Djibouti was recruited to the drtiy job Melles Zenawi, The Idea was if Djibouti do that then the sanction will get some real credibility and it worked. to blame Eritrea to be stupid on this case.
            Yemen civil war? again stop for making stupid comments. show me a proof that Eritrea is involved? if UAE leased Assab and UAE attacked Yemen; it UAE’s business but for you to lie to appease the dying TPLF thugs and their supporters is sad.
            “Many people’s spirit dies long before their physical demise.” true!

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            Back then Yemen and Ethiopia were friendly towards Eritrea. Regardless of justification Issais’ clumsiness and hubris led to war both times. Dont blame Badme on a desire for greater Tigray.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            First this is not mine and it’s from the great General of all time Saay:), and please read carefully and go to the website to read the whole article and the context.

            Second point, with all the things you listed, the problem is, Isaysism does not know how to use diplomacy to get what Eritrea wants.

            1) Eritrea (president)never made any claim, press conference, interview in all those events that are listed.
            2) Eritrea (president) never discussed this matter with the parliament, ministerial meetings, security meetings , hired a lawyer, complain the security council etc..
            3) We only find out after the fact (where Isayas ) where Eritrea is engaged in conflict….

            For example:
            1) Djibouti- He denied that Eritrea is involved in conflict. Djibouti went to SC and then after how many years, he brought and handed over the PoW that he was denying for years.
            2) Somalia: He denied that Eritrea is involved with Al-shibab. then Al-shibab leader and UN wanted list showed up in Asmara and on Eri-tv on conference organized by Eritrea.
            3) Saudi / UAE Alliance – He is involved up this neck in this conflict ….

            I am leaving Badime, Ethiopia out not because he was right but I don’t want you to go in circles arguing and divert as if I am defending the TPLF….which is the usual defense of those blinded PFDJ

            The problem is, Eritrea may be correct to take this position with regards to Djibouti, Yemen / Hanish, Somalia (against Ethiopia interference) etc.. but the problem is not the Eritrean parilament deciding those deadly conflicts, but Isayas and his Isayasism is.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hey Berhe; if you had put it under the the quotation mark; you could have saved me my time end energy. regardless, my bad, i thought it was yours. then you said….

            2) Somalia: He denied that Eritrea is involved with Al-shibab. then Al-shibab leader and UN wanted list showed up in Asmara and on Eri-tv on conference organized by Eritrea.
            3) Saudi / UAE Alliance – He is involved up this neck in this conflict ….

            I have done my homework. Back then there was no Al-shebab. the group in Asmara on TV were the founders of Islamic court. they were very successful bring stability and law and order but they were eliminated by Ethiopia and the USA, after their elimination then Al-Shebab was born. So, if you wanted to know the truth, the Ethiopian and USA involvement created Al-Shebab..
            Sometimes i wonder? Because Eritrea has diplomatic ties with UAE and Saudi i.e. Eritrea is involved with the war in Yemen. Please! don’t do that all show me any evidence. Don’t just spit out what some angry people has told, you need to think for yourself.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Sorry my bad, but you jumped on the list and you missed the whole intro:).

            Look I don’t think there is any intention or try to prove if Eritrea / Isayas are not involved and at all innocent in the whole thing. Shebab was defiantly existed before Ethiopia invasion and become what they have become. Al-awyes was on the US/ UN list after the bombing of US embassy in Kenya.

            Again, I am not at all indicating Eritrea position (giving shelter for Islamic Courts) or organizing conference for the Somali in exile was wrong. What I am trying to say is, Isayas Afeworki methods and operations, it puts Eritrea in great danger because he doesn’t follow the rules of engagement and the normal diplomatic ways to do things. For example, Eritrea could register it’s opposition to the SC and AU for Ethiopia invasion of Somalia. It could bring to the Igad, AU and SC agenda (it has the Eritrean Ambassador at AU, IGAD and UN) who suppose to do this kind of work.

            It could issue press conference, it could inform the public etc…many ways to inform the world and the international community what it’s opposition and intentions are.

            But with IA we only learn after the fact and it comes at great cost and sometimes danger to the country and it’s security.

            But most importantly, do we really care so much for the Somalia tha the UN and Ethiopia to use as excuse to sanction Eritrea? Where is the cost / benefit analysis done if this is the right decision in the first place?

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hey Berhe; It is a matter of principal. for instance, the main reason that Eritrea left IGAD was because Ethiopia invading Somalia was in volitional of IGAD agreement. i.e Eritrea exited IGAD in a protest for Ethiopian invading Somalia. So, If someone is principled enough will act and Eritrea did while the other IGAD members looked the other side. My point when people dumb everything in Eritrea and on PIA; sooner than latter they will become a falling tree in the forest. People will be develop this mindset of what is new and that is not good for the country. True, it got Eritrea in a lot of trouble but her principle? countries of the world acknowledged that.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Like I said, I don’t know how many times I have to repeat.

            Eritrea could have 100% reason to side with the Somali people but paying with it’s life and that of her people and here security, do you think that’s good leadership?

            And second important point, that you keep putting on the side is, the Eritrean people have not decided or approve the decision of the president who thinks Eritrea is his play ground.

            If IA and Eritrea government have some principle, I think he should start living his life with principle towards the Eritrean people, even just for the civilians. Then people and the world would have some respect for it.

            Berhe

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Sultan M.G. I now understand why some Eritrean nationalists are reluctant here to ever make any negative comment against PIA/PFDJ: A room flooded with those obviously on the TPLF payroll which is supported by a host whose permanent fixtures never-ever criticize the TPLF but rather latently support it, simply does not provide a conducive atmosphere to openly air criticisms against PIA/PFDJ or to enter into really meaningful related discussions. Hence, it should come as no surprise that number of commenters continues to decline. And, when activities go quiet, discussion oftentimes diverts to birds, bees, animals, trees and historical regurgitation with a TPLF slant. Funny, how it is that someone like Paulos who is clearly on the TPLF payroll, can make the following statement and room’s permanent fixtures suddenly become inaudible: “We can not deny the fact that it is a person like Meles with an extraordinary persona and intellect who can keep the otherwise complex people and nation together and who can lead it into the right direction as well. That single critical factor is tragically missing and hence the cacophony of incompetents turning the nation into a complete joke”. Even when one does criticize PIA/PFDJ, if they at the same time levy criticism against the TPLF, they are quickly labelled as a PFDJ sycophant.

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            i envy you. I feel you were not victimized by people who use your logic. I have and that is why it disturbs me when people start to read palm and star readers. I really do not care much about your constitution, i have Eritrea’s lawlessness to deal with. And I care less what wro. Keria did or why she did it. I am just talking based on what is publicly and available and what can logically be deduced. Of course security people use your formula–they spread their suspicion as wide as possible and make their accusation wild primarily to end the case, not necessarily to apprehend the culprit. Find some documentary about the prison population in the USA (and Ethiopia) ; it will be a fun night and you will understand where I am coming from. But don’t worry if you don’t understand me, but please understand what your comment with your heart. Let’s end it here. thank you.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam horizon
          what a Q analysis, in other words u saying it is ok, there is a land that has been invaded by menilek 150-130 years ago and let tigrai also loot this invaded oromo, south, benshangule, somali, afar, gambela lands.

      • Samuel

        Selam Abi,
        The whole country’s budget has increased this year proportionally, however he wasted his time talking about the fake budget increase in Tigray. The country’s budget has increased by similar percentage, if I am not mistaken the new budget is about 540 Billion Birr, so what is 10 Billion Birr out of 540 Billion? Note that the budget for 2019/2020 was 386.9 billion. Look how he deceived Ethiopian people? He didn’t say anything about the federal budget increment in percentage but he spoke in length about Tigray budget increment.

        Thanks,

        • Teodros Alem

          selam samuel
          Federal and kilil budgets r two different things, 1st he is not spouse to talk about kilils budget, he is not a kilil president.
          2nd, the federal gov has nothing to do with kilil budget, what federal gov give for kilils is “degoma” support budget according to kilil income+ population . for all kilil 30-40 billion birr out of federal gov budget will go to kilils support(degoma) all the kilils and city administration will have it based of Federation “meker bet” calculation , population+income(the more income one kilil have the less the support), addis administration don’t get a penny.

          • Samuel

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            Please try to read the federal government budget allocation report. Here is copy-paste from 2019/20 fiscal year budget allocation of the government. Please don’t say it is wrong, I am giving you from government report.

            • The total approved federal budget for the 2019/20 fiscal year is Ethiopian Birr (ETB) 386.9 billion.
            The total budget represents an 11.6 per cent increment from the previous fiscal year. However, the
            high level of inflation undermines the rise in the budget. In real terms, the budget increase is only 1.8
            per cent, and inflation reduction is a priority in the government’s reform agenda.
            • Around 80 per cent of the approved budget is planned to be financed from domestic sources in
            2019/20, while the remaining 20 per cent is to be financed by external assistance and external loans.
            • Of the total approved budget, 62.1 per cent is allocated for federal government expenditure, 36 per
            cent for general purpose grants to sub-national regional governments and 1.6 per cent for capital
            projects towards achieving the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) at regional level.
            • The budget allocated for execution by the federal government continues to prioritize the social
            sectors with 21 per cent allocated for education, 7.3 per cent for water resources and energy and 5.3
            per cent for health. It should be noted that the majority of national social sector spending is executed
            at the sub-national level by regional governments.
            • The utilization of the total federal budget declined over the years. In terms of budget credibility, there
            was a wider variation between total federal expenditure and the adjusted federal budget than the
            total federal expenditure and the total budget originally approved.
            • Federal domestic revenue collection as a proportion of planned federal revenue has been declining
            over the past few years. Since tax comprises around 80 per cent of the federal domestic revenue,
            effective tax policy and its implementation, tax compliance and tax administration should be given
            due attention to improve domestic revenue mobilization.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            U must be ……… If u really believe the info that come from the gov.
            That they tell u on tv.
            the federal gov has nothing to do with the kilil budget , other than the support it give to kilil based on the house of Federation rules .that is not a kilil budget, that is a support money out of the federal gov budget, the kilil budget is based on their local taxes + the support that comes from the house of Federation.
            I know tplf screwed u peoples head by fake news that help them to thier political propaganda narration.
            I didn’t read ur thing after the first line.

        • Abi

          Hello Samiti
          The best alternative is to declare independence and allocate your own budget.
          Now that is an easy way out of your misery. A misery caused by your arrogance to be equal with everyone else. A misery caused by your ignorance .
          Now, stop your nonsense and start packing.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Ras Abi,
            You wrote: “ A misery caused by your arrogance to be equal with everyone else. ”

            Does that mean people should not say that are equal to others unless they are arrogant?

            Are there superior and inferior people? Just asking!

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            The problem is that Tplf refused to be equal with others. Everyone is equal!!
            As I said several times before, there is no “First among equals “.
            If their arrogance could not handle this reality, they are welcome to declare independence.
            That is what I tried to say. I should have explained a little better. Again, my stand is clear. I’ve been saying it several times like a broken tape.

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            Continuing with the vegas analogies – somebody is calling in all their chips so dont waste your breath trying to reason with people on a Mason. Anyway reason has long since died. Now whatever is being orchestrated may signify a significant move and I dont mean Kerias resignation or it may be a counter etc. But anyway the most likely end result – somebody’s bluff is about to get called.

      • Brhan

        Hi Abi,
        Your mix of politics and $, reminds me a Gurage saying of the 80s and 90s of the last century “ቲርፍ ካላት ለምን ኣትሸጥዋትም”

        • Abi

          Brhan
          Hindsight is 20/20.
          መሸጥ ሳይሆን በነፃ መልቀቅ ነበረብን::
          አሁን ግን አንሳሳትም:: ትግራይን ጎጆ እናስወጣታለን::
          አትሸኟትም ወይ መሄዷ አይደለም ወይ…..

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Then next is Oromo ሓደ በል then Somali ክልተ then Afar ሰለስተ………..

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ግዴለም ብርሃን ለጊዜው ማስፈራራቱን ጭለማ ለዋጣቸው ለወያኔ ልኡካን ተውላቸው::
            ቅርንጫፍ ተገንጥሎ ሲሞት እንጂ ሲያብብ አላየሁም::

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Sorry to make you feel afraid. But in politics neither fear nor poetry have a place.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ግድየለም እኔ ፈሪ ልሁን:: ደፋሮቹ ወደ መጡበት ዋሻ ተመልሰው ይግቡልን እንጂ ፈሪ መባሉን አልፈራም::

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi,
            You problem is that you are not saying your “poems” even once in Afan Oromo or Somali or Afar etc. Do not you think you are repeating the old mistake now.

          • Aligaz G

            Bryan,

            Everybody on this site except you is rhyming especially the south tigrians. Which only proves one thing – you are a north tigrian?

          • Brhan

            Who is Bryan?

          • Aligaz G

            BrHan,

            You. Light of the World. Sense of humor you have. Nice

          • Brhan

            Aligaz,
            Don’t focus on me . Papparazis are paid.

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,
            No you are cool

          • Nitricc

            Hahahaha; i was wondering too. Aligaz on fire. I think he is Ethiopian, somebody was saying he is Kinjit. Aligaz, come out tell us. Since you are calling Brhan a northern Tigray; how about you?

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,
            The guys are hyper expansive. The rest of us are all south tigrians – especially our land. Come to think of it they want the land not the people. Sounds familiar?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Let me debunk the following statement of yours; “ ቅርንጫፍ ተገንጥሎ ሲሞት እንጂ ሲያብብ አላየሁም”

            If the word “ ሲያብብ ” also include “peace” in its essence, then the separation of East Pakistan (currently known as Bangladesh) from West Pakistan has brought peace between the Pakistani people and Bengalis people. Therefore “ ቅርንጫፍ ተገንጥሎ ያብባል” ወንድሜ:: I could give you many examples but this one can do.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            እንግዲህ እርስዎ ጌታዬ የተገነጠለ ቅርንጫፍ እንደሚያብብ ያዪትን አካፍለውኛል:: እኔ ግን በእውቀትና ልምድ ማነስ ምክንያት የተገነጠለ ቅርንጫፍ ሲጠወልግ ብቻ ነው ያየሁት:: ወደፊት የእግዜር ፈቃድ ከሆነ ባህር ተሻግሬ ልምድ እቀስም ይሆናል :: ለጊዜው ግን በአካባቢዬ የተገነጠሉ ቅርንጫፎች እየጠወለጉ ቅጠላቸውና አበባቸው እየረገፈ ሲሄድ ብቻ ነው ያየሁት::
            እንግዲህ ሰው ያየውን አይደል የሚመሰክር?

          • Brhan

            Hi Abi,
            Somaliland is in your area.

          • Abi

            Hello Brhan
            Somaliland who?
            My gps couldn’t recognize it.

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi.
            I also know your gps couldn’t recongize Oromo Klil, Somali Kilil, Afar Klil and etc

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ጨለማ ውስጥ እየዳከርክ ነው:: ብርሃን ወዳለበት ብቅ በል::

          • Brhan

            Abi
            The Ethiopia of Klil is relevant. Your King’s Ethiopia (your day dream) is “gone with the wind”. Now who is closing his eyes and in deep darkness?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            I finally agree with you. ብርሃን ተገለፀልኝ! እንደው ወለል ብሎ ነው የታየኝ::
            The King’s Ethiopia is shading and trimming the trouble makers. One down, one to go.
            Stay tuned.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            I will say tuned. But next time make it with at least an Oromo flavour if not also with Afari or Somali……

          • Abi

            Brhan
            አኒ ኢንሶባ መሌ አፋን ኦሮሞ ኢምቤኩ::

          • Brhan

            በሊ ካብ ሳዕሳዕኪስ ተቖጻጸዪ…
            Ok one in Somali one in Afari One in Beni Shangul.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ras Abi,

            Then you have to have update your GPS, my dear.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I tried to recalibrate my gps with no luck at all. It failed to recognize that land. It says “no match “.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Let me remind you every cleavage in the Subcontinent involved terrible wars and massive dislocation. End result 2 nuclear powers facing off and 2 unstable countries in Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Nice solution

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Two things: (1) I was not referring to the split of India into India and Pakistan in 1949. I was referring to the two Pakistani (West and East) located on the opposite side of India from 1949 to 1972 (2) East Pakistan became Bangladesh not Sri Lanka before it change its name from Ceylon. Stay within my argument.

            Regards

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Let’s keep things simple. You are claiming separation often times yields a more peaceful state of affairs and to prove this you brought up Pakistan and Bangladesh. Right?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Yes, but I didn’t say “often”.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Ok so in the process of Pakistan and Bangladesh separating there was a cost ofseveral million lives. Right?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,
            Unfortunately, there is no divorce of “states” without a cost, be it small or large. However, the end result of the two Pakistani ended the bloodshed of the Bengalis and Pakistani people.

            Regards

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            So you support divorce of states at any cost?

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            “ትርፉ ኪሣራ ነው” ሲባል አልሰሙም ጎይታ አማኑኤል ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            From the prospective of a separatists and their cause it might. You could not assess the cost of a cause without the reasons behind it. BTW, questions without input does not invite engagement.

            Regard

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            You are right it depends on the perspective of the separatists. I wanted to remind you however of the potential costs involved which you already know. Another point was to show how much more stable, peaceful, prosperous and democratic the entire Subcontinent (especially Pakistan) would have been if partition never took place. Keep in mind there are still hundreds of millions muslims still in India.

          • Brhan

            Aligaz
            “Keep in mind there are still hundreds of millions muslims still in India”
            Can you tell us update info about their condition?

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,

            Better than Pakistan but not perfect. Modi is a Hindu nationalist however I have never heard of Indian Muslims clamoring to move to Pakistan. Have you?

          • Brhan

            Aligaz,

            I just want us to be make our news new. The citizenship act vis a vis Indian muslims was vocal news recently in world press

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,

            Yes the citizenship act unfairly gives right to hindu RETURNEES and muslims are requesting similar rights. Key word being returnees or immigrants – as in people wanting to live in India. A better arguement for you would be Kashmir but this is more of a territorial dispute. Ok enough

          • Brhan

            Aligaz,
            What about Somaliland?

          • Aligaz G

            Bryan,

            I am old. Wait your turn

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,

            1. Somaliland has not been recognized by any nation

            2. If Somalia were not in complete chaos and in a totally fragmented state there would have been bloodshed over Somalilands attempt to break away

            3. Therefore you cannot use Somaliland as an example to support your thesis

            4. Counter examples Taiwan, HK, NortH Korea, South Vietnam, Eritrea

          • Brhan

            Aligaz,
            I know it is not recognized by any nation but every nation knows that it is the most peaceful defacto country in the region.

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,

            Follow my logic. A better and probably the only example would be Czechoslovakia. Most of the other examples including Somaliland are ticking time bombs.

          • Brhan

            Thank Aligaz,
            We are the same in principle. Somaliland , relatively , not a ticking time bomb, may be others.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            So far Eritrea remained ticklish:)

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Currently Oromo Kilil is boiling

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Paul’s informants beat yours. He brought the news before you did.
            He ate your lunch. Don’t let him eat your dinner. Tell your informants to get you the news ASAP.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            The sources of my info are diverse:(From A-Z) awate, bbc (Tigrinya) and Amharic, Aljazeera, aigaforum, shabait, walta. zehabesha and etc.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            No wonder your breaking news is kind of stale.
            You need an informant embedded with the protestors
            Paul’s informants are the sponsors of the protestors themselves.
            I don’t think you can beat him.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            You are pointing your finger to “Paul” but 4 other fingers are pointing at you.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Who are these four people pointing at me?

          • Samuel

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            I think the right expression is “the roots”. Tigray is not a ቅርንጫፍ branch/leaves, it is “the roots”. Thus, what can the branches/leaves do without the roots? They will eventually dry.
            Ethiopia politics is like crickets sound, there is so much noise without rhythm.
            I know you are trying to bring them into a substantive argument, but I don’t think that is in their DNA.

            Thanks,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            I don’t want to give my own meaning. I just want to argue along his own “words and phrases”once I understood the message he wanted to convey.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            The message is simple. It is necessary to trim old branches for the health of the tree.

          • Abi

            Sami
            ምን ነካህ ወንድሜ? ውስጥህ ሰላም ነው?
            ትግራይ ሥር ቢሆንማ ለመገንጠል አይዳዳውም ነበር::
            ቅጠሉ የተመለመለ ቅርንጫፍ ነው እንጂ!

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      Keria Ibrahim is very intelligent, principled and fearless woman. She made the right decision at the right time before the so called PM brings his case in front of her. He can declare anything he wants until the explosion starts.

      Her resignation has many implication to the current situation and beyond. The international community should take a note that the consequences of the country can’t be just PMAA miscalculation only, it should also be noted that his donors and his backers are responsible for any eventualities. The magma is getting closer to erupt.

      More than 60% of the country is under command post, he didn’t spoke a word about it and he blatantly denied the wrong doing of his administration. He labeled the Amnesty report as “ድርሰት/Essay”. He didn’t even show any sympathy to the victims, he just labeled it as fake report.

      Thanks,

      • Desbele

        Hi Samuel,
        Jawar’s comment on the resignation is spot on
        – Keria nullified the PM’s disingenuous claim that the HoF is led by a non PP
        -She knows it’s a matter of time before they remove her ,perhaps until the decision on constitutional crisis is rubber stamped
        -She is the only high ranking TPLF official at federal. So she pulled the trigger before he did, messing things for them and preserving her dignity and proving her loyalty to her party and home state
        -Her decision takes the divorce between TPLF and its former puppets ,the federal government and the regional state one step closer to the end
        Jawar went on to say that he feels Tigrai’s independence is being actualized faster than anticipated.
        ኤርትራን በደቡብ የምታዋስናት ኣገር ትግራይ ልትሆን ነው መሰለኝ።

        • Hashela

          ሰላም ደስበለ

          እዛ ቅጭን ማርዓት ተጋጫዊ ጥለብ ሓማታን ኣንዲኣን ከተማልእ ኣይክኣለትን። ኣብ ክንዲ ተጸሚማ ዓዳን ዓዲ ሰብኣያን ተሰስን ተገልግልን፣ ሞሊቛ ቁሸት ዓደቡኣ ተመሊሻ። ሕጂ ኣበርክቶኣ ኣብ ምቅላው ቡን ንብዓል ኣቦይ ስብሓት ተወሲኑ ክተርፍ’ዩ።

          ተጸሚምካ ጸላዊ ተራ ምጽዋት ዶ ይሓይሽ ወይስ ኣብ ገጠር ምሕካል?

          • Desbele

            ሰላም Hashela
            ነታ ገመልካ ኣድጊ ከብርየኪ ትብላ ኣላ። ሕሰበላ።

          • Hashela

            Desbele

            እት ሕጂ ኣዛብእ ድሃድንዋ ደለው ኣድጊ ድያ? እሳ ድኣ ንነብሳ ዘይኮነት ከመይ ጌይራ ነዛ ገመል ከተብሪ።

        • Nitricc

          You still dreaming about the dead dream? You must extremely bright to keep the dead dream. You see, your country, opps, killil Tigray, the dream was simple. Fool the Eritreans by supporting their independence, let them have it both their ports. Once the Eritreans are happy and trusting, then Time for TPLF to attack. Since the whole Ethiopia is pissed and embarrassed by the Eritreans, there will be no doubt the Ethiopians be welling to help finishing the Eritreans. Simply we tell the Amara and Oromo, let’s go get Assab, then it is done, the End of Eritrea. organize the whole Ethiopian people and destroy and break their spinal cord for ever and ever. Once that is done, take a fertile land from Gonder. Take large size of land from Raya. Finally excuse was needed to ignite and set the plan forward. Started with attacking Adi-Murug, massacring in Badime, the unsuspecting Eritreans had no idea what their trusted friend, the TPLF thugs had for them. Once the excuse was achieved its purpose then the all out war ensued. The TPLF thugs wasted everything. the dream for greater Tigray died when they lost the war. and finally, the thugs made history. No government in the world lost its power while controlling the banks and the Tanks, no one. No government ever lost its power due to rocks, NO, so, my TPLF thug Desbele, give it up. It is a dead dream.

          • Desbele

            Nitricc ዓጀውጀው፣
            ኣገር ለመሆን ህገ መንግስት እንጂ መሬት መቆራረስ ኣያስፈልግም።
            ስርዓት ኢሳያስ መሬት ሒዙ’ሎ. ቅዋም ስለዘይብሉ ግና ኩሊት ዜጋታቱ እንዳሸጠ ይናበር ኣሎ። ካብቶም ደላሎ ምኳንካ ይፈልጥየ። ንመራሕ ጋንታ ወዲ ሓምሓም ኣተርጉመለይ በሎ።
            ነቲ ወያነ ሓተፍተፍ ዘብለካ ማይ ጨሎት ዓዲ ሃሎ ፈትን። ኣደይ ሶፍያ እኳ ሓውየን ኣብ UN ይክድማ ኣለዋ።

          • Nitricc

            Desbele; i did not get what you are saying but from what i gathered; i rather be servant to the UN that being a servant for the TPLF thugs like your sisters. stupid.

        • Samuel

          Selam Desbele,
          I agree, he is a good politician, he understands Ethiopia politics really well, he knows when to play the game.
          Regarding his point about independence, I would say that its not unlikely scenario, if all options are not materialized then I think the last resolution is to do that, but don’t assume the rest will stay intact, I guarantee you it won’t.

          Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            Now you talking!
            Just leave.
            ሳታበዛ ጣጣ ሹልክ ብለህ ውጣ!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras Abiy; please watch the press conference of Kerya Ibrahim body language. I am not a body language expert but watching her prese conference, she was forced by the TPLF thugs. she sounds some one who is hold hostage. TPLF thugs are on their last leg. Good bye, TPLF thugs and welcome, the new era of Ethiopian politics. The stupid TPLF sympathizers thinks she is a brave woman but the truth is she is kept hostage by the old, outdated, corrupted and stupid TPLF thugs. Did you know she was born in Asmara? too bad i really like her.

          • Abi

            General
            የሚጮህ ውሻ አይናከስም::
            Let the Tplf activists scratch each others back.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Samuel,

        Don’t you think a “compromise solution” before the magma is erupted? The eruption of the magma not only affects the poor Ethiopian people, but also the entire of the region. After all, with this “poisonous hate” to each other, it makes my believe concrete, as it has been, that there is no a system that hold Ethiopian “Social forces” together, except “federal arrangement”. It also does not make sense even the so called federal arrangements based on regional set-ups with this deep hate to form regional “ federal administrative units” mixed from the existing “social groups“- for instance from Oromo and Somali, or Tigrai and Amhara, or Amhara and Oromo social groups. At this point it is completely impractical. Besides, “unitary system” is bygone hated system by almost all Ethiopian social groups.

        The only exit from the current political conundrums is: first calm down from these unproductive rhetorics. Second sit down in a round table to find a “negotiated solution“ that gives “a fair share of powers among the stakeholders. Keep the current constitution and amend any clauses that hinder progress and affect the equilibrium of the the social forces. Keep in mind, that it is only by keeping the equilibrium of your social forces that keeps your unity and stability of your country. I am fully aware, that it is not even easy to find that “elusive equilibrium”, but it is worth to make efforts collectively. It is achievable with trust and sincerity.

        Regards

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          ባገር ምድሩ ጠፍቶ መካሪ ሽማግሌ
          አገሪቷን በልቷት ጥጋበኛ አለሌ
          እስካሁን በልተሃል ይበቃሃል ቢባል
          አንዱን ዚጠመዝዝ ሌላውን ሲያባብል
          ከብልጡ ተኳርፎ ሞኙን ሊያነሆልል
          መኖር አልሆን ብሎት ከሁሉም ጋር በእኩል
          ሲዝት ሲያስፈራራ ራሱን ሊገነጥል
          ማባበል አያሻም ራሱን ይገላግል

          ይሂድ ይሞክረው እራሱን ያዋልድ
          መለማመጥ ቀርቷል እንዲሁም ማስገደድ
          መንገዱን ማሳየት ፈጠን ብሎ እንዲሄድ
          መፍትሔው ይሄው ነው ሰላም እንዲወርድ
          ጨርቅ ያርገው መንገዱን ቁልቁለቱን ሲወርድ
          ምርጫው የግሉ ነው እራሱን ቢያዋድድ
          ምርጫው የግሉ ነው እራሱን ቢያዋርድ

          ቅርንጫፍ ጠውልጎ ካላፈራ ፍሬ
          ቆርጦ መገላገል ሳያበዙ ወሬ

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ለባሌ ለገሙጎፋ፡ ኢልባቡር..EFFOR(T) ቢፈቀድ ኖሮ
            ትግራይ ተጨቛኝ ከሌላ በላይ፡ ባይሰበክ እስከ ዘንድሮ
            TPLF ሁሉ ለኔ ብሎ ኣይሰክርም ነበር፡ ራሱ ዞሮ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ቁንጣን ይዟቸው የጥጋብ
            ሁሉን ሲያጋብዙ አይናቸው ሲስገበገብ
            ሲሰርቁ ሲያሸሹ ሲገጥሙ ግብግብ
            ቄሮ አዋረዳቸው አገባባቸው ግብ
            ፋኖ መከታቸው ሰራላቸው ግድብ
            ፈንቅል መጣላቸው እንዲገዙ አደብ

            የቆጡን ሲመኙ የብብቱን ረስተው
            ሁለቱንም አጡት ሄዱ ተፈንግለው

        • Samuel

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
          Happy to see you back!

          I completely agree with your assessment and suggestions. “Compromise solution” is the only way-out from the mess we are in, we don’t even have any other choices. In my opinion the first step in a “compromise solution” is to admit the wrongdoings of the past and present, regardless of which regime that is.
          Regarding the current situation, before we discuss how we got to this point (magma eruption) it’s better to revisit what was the demands of the youths who protested against EPRDF admin? In my opinion the central narratives were:
          1. Change of administration (this encompasses good governance, corruption, etc.)
          2. Self-administration (this encompasses Statehood, Addis Ababa land management, etc)
          3. Jobs

          EPRDF reformed itself and made administration change, regardless of the hidden agenda within the “Change” agents, the first question seems to be answered.
          The other two questions are hijacked by the “Change” agents. If you observe the facts on the ground, more than 60% of the country is under command post, the youth are still demanding self-administration and jobs.

          For example, look Sidama, they demanded Statehood, they got the referendum vote in November 2019 and 98.5 percent voted in favor of statehood. For any seasoned politician in Ethiopia, what does this vote indicate? To me it tells me that Nation Nationalities are still demanding Self-Administration. This has nothing to do with TPLF, which some Ethiopians (unitary camp) are trying to associate. Politicians should hear the need of their people, period. It doesn’t mean that everyone who requested statehood should get one immediately, there must to be a process, however the door shouldn’t be closed.

          Another problem we have in Ethiopia is our arguments are not fact based arguments. I am not against any kind of opinion, we need to have a culture to accommodate and hear different opinions, however it should be noted that opinions are opinions, they are not facts, thus they have to be stated that way.

          For example, the PM talked about Tigray budget increment in front of the parliament, he said it as if only Tigray got the budget increment, the truth is the total budget of the country has been increased by similar percentage, meaning each states will have their share of increment. The unitary camp jumped to talk about it without having the full fact. I know this is small matter, but its tells you the culture.

          Last but not least, there is no doubt that compromise has to be in our culture and it should, but compromise has a limit, you can’t compromise on your principles and values. Two years ago the demand of the “unitary camp” was to get to Ethiopia and have a democratic dialogue, they got that. Then, when they see TPLF wasn’t around, they demanded TPLF to be dismantled once for all, that created TPLF to start another war against the federal government.
          I do believe that TPLF has compromised a lot, but the current administration doesn’t seem to satisfy unless TPLF is completely gone. Now the reverse is happening.

          They say “The best things to learn in life is the habit of compromise, because it’s better to bend a little than to break.”

          Thank you for your civil engagement.

          Thanks,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            If they start with the “wrong doing” it is hard to come to a “negotiated solution.” You know the nature of politicians. Now the urgency is to save the Ethiopian people and the unity of the nation. However, the issue of “wrong doing” could be part of the negotiated solution. They could agree on how to approach it. Say for example, they could agree on forming an “investigating body” with defined scope of its mandate. Me think.

            Regards

          • Samuel

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            I agree, we have to have “investigating body” with defined scope of its mandate.
            Part of the disagreements we have are the historical narratives and crimes committed by different regimes. Its good to know the details and who did those crimes. There are corruption related crimes as well, there needs to be a detail investigation.
            However, I do agree with you that the first thing we have to do right now is to save the country from disintegration.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            Worry about your country only. Just leave!

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            ምንነው እንደ በርሚል መጮህ ኣበዛክ። በየሰኣቱ ስለጮክ ኣዋቂ ወይም ጀግና የሆንክ መሰለህ እንዴ?
            የትምክህተኞች ፍኮራ፤ ሽለላ፤ ኣይን ማፍጠጥ፤ ማንጋጠጥ፤ መጮህ እንዳይቀርብህ ይመስላል። ተረጋጋ።

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samina
            ጩኸቴንማ አትቀማኝም::
            ባይሆን አንተ ስታገሳ እኔ ልጩህበት::
            ግዴለም እረጋጋለሁ አንተ ብቻ ግርግር ዛታበዛ ሾለክ በል::
            በሩን መዝጋት እንዳትረሳ::

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            You stated the facts on the ground with civility and eloquence. The rest is immaterial and irrelevant. P.M. Abiy as well didn’t want to hear the facts when he was confronted by fearless women who dared to look him in the eye and he not only dodged the questions, he was visibly rattled precisely because he had nothing to say when the መልሱ በኪሱ is dearly missed in the House of Representatives. And here is not any different either. Again, well done and well put!

        • Aligaz G

          Amanuel,

          Samuel’s position …We are special and we will leave so be very afraid

          Ras Abi’s position … Leave

          So where’s the problem?

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            Samuel position: ካልገዛናችሁ ሞተን እንገኛለን
            Abi: ለቅሶ እንደርሳለን

          • Selam Abi,

            I think that it boils down to one thing, which is to save their own skin, and not to rule again ethiopia, which they know very well is more than impossible.
            The criminal bosses are the ones who are fighting tooth and nail until their death. They don’t want to end up in prison in their old age. Nevertheless, because they are so arrogant, they don’t want to entertain an idea similar to that of south africa and rwanda: to accept their crimes and apologize to the great people of ethiopia, and return to the ethiopian society. No one is going to demand for their head on a platter, especially now in their old age.
            Economic crimes could be handled if they have some true remorse in their heart, by returning back the money to the poor people from whom they have stolen. You see, they had made ethiopia a tplf business empire.

        • Brhan

          Hello Ustaz Amanuel,
          We are having unhealthy rehtoric from the brothers south of the border (مش كفاية بتاعنا ናትና ከይ ኣኽለናስ! )in this Eritrean website because the two sources pro and against TPLF/ EPRDF are fueling the already burned house instead of calming down.
          I think it is better to see other prespectives too, what do the Oromo, Somali, Afar, Sidama and others elites and writers are saying on the current situation. They might have different perespectives than the two. They might have healthy rehtoric.
          Thanks

    • Admassie

      Selam Paulos,

      አንታ ሓውና መን’ዩ ንዓኻ ጥራሕ ወትሩ ዓዳማይ ጌሩካ፡-) እንሆ ንሕናውን በዛ ዓቕምና ተጋበዝ ንብለካለ’ና፡-)
      Just for fun, but of course with a strong message against a popular “truth”. Please, listen to the radio narration of a short story by Abera Lemma (on Youtube), “ሞገደኛው ነውጤ”. It was narrated by artist Fekadu T.Mariam many many-years a go on the famous radio program “ከመጻሕፍት ዓለም”. It is a good memory of my early reading in high and junior high school. There are characters such as “ነውጤ”, “ይሄንንም እያስመዘገብኩ ነው” in the book “ጉዞው”, ጌታው “ዶን ኪኾት”, Akaky Akakievich in Nicolai Gogol’s ” The over Coat” and others that are imprinted in my mind for ever.

      • Paulos

        Thanks much Admassie. Will do.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam
    3A today in front of the parliament said ” tigrai is still getting a lot of billions of dollars from the rest of ethiopia’s wealth outside of the principle of the federal arrangement” and he is willing to continue to favor tigrai to the contrary to the federal arrangement. tigrai will continue to be parasite to ethiopia, by the name of so called ethiopia.

    • Paulos

      Tedros,

      The guy looks visibly rattled and drained. His young flair and looks are fading away. I guess it is taking its toll on him. He thought leading a country and a complex country like Ethiopia at that was going to be a walk in the park. Hope the nation pulls itself together and avoids looming disaster. One human life is too many. God bless!

      • Teodros Alem

        selam paulos
        U sound like “derg”, 30 years ago derg already told the people of ethiopia same thing, if this happens or if eritrea this or that, the arabs this that, ethiopia will be history.
        the only thing that makes ethiopia exploded is ur kind of undemocratic, parasite , narrow mentality and the practice of parasite undemocratic policy.
        the people of ethiopia, if they got same treatment and justice they don’t have problem to live together.
        it is not the time for me to call 3A rattled and drained and i advise u not to call him as such because the source of ur misery is not him but ur twisted heart and the cursedness of tigrai ,but the current constitution has to implemented democratically , that is a must.

  • Nitricc

    I love you mother land you will be fine!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyX8Vzh0KI

  • said

    Greetings
    interesting article by historian Khalil and public policy at Harvard
    How racist policing took over American cities, explained by a historian
    The problem is the way policing was built,” historian Khalil Muhammad says It’s almost 100 years later, and thousands of Americans are in the streets daily, protesting the same violence and racism that the Chicago commission documented. It may seem like nothing can change, Khalil a professor of history, race, and public policy at Harvard Kennedy School and author of the book. Please see the link

    https://www.vox.com/2020/6/6/21280643/police-brutality-violence-protests-racism-khalil-muhammad

  • Kaddis

    Dear Awate family

    I am pleased to share you my article, published and dedicated to this nurturing forum particularly to Saay – Few months ago me and saay started discussing Isiais’s understanding of Ethiopian 2005 election and we left it to follow up.

    Saay’s position become a great motivation to read more and to build an article around it …and here it is. I wish I could quote saay directly but unable at the moment

    https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2020/05/22/for-ethiopias-political-tribes-its-2005-redux/

    Cheers,

    • David Samson

      Hi Kaddis,

      Great article!

      Since Ethio’s politics has descended into mad-sliding, I do not want to get myself dirty, so I will limit my comment on the upcoming election. Regardless of the outcome of the election, the loser party will play foul and brand the election as “Sham”. I am 99.99999999% sure that the election will be a sham. Here what Lidetu(You see some figures are itching to comment on Lidetu).

      “Even if the PM wins with sham election, he has neither the capacity, nor the capability to govern the country

      • Aligaz G

        David,

        You probably mean mud slinging and not mud sliding but you are right about the election. But has there ever been a perfect election? Dont forget the 100% victories of the past.

      • Kaddis

        Hi David –

        I don’t think the like of Lidetu will have any power to call for unrest or call the election a sham. In Ethiopia currently, fortunately or not, the power base, seems clearly demarcated. One can not sink the other like EPRDF did in 2005. Abiy is trying and thats why the instability grew after 2018. With some give and take, Tigray, PP ( the Amharic center) and the Oromo coalition should negotiate for power sharing while the other small states will be swing states.

        The current PM will likely be the next but not as recklessly powerful as now – he has to go through tigray and Oromia

        • David Samson

          Hi Kaddis,
          In your article, you argued that leaders of the parties could not freely move to other parties of the country. I know there are many
          standards and ways of assessing and measuring elections, but I will focus on the west standard. Looking through the western’s parameters, most elections held in Africa are neither fare nor transparent. If a loser side concedes defeat despite some reservation about the conduct of an election, I would call it fair. I think there are a handful of African countries with such records. From the Sub-Sahara region, Senegal comes to my mind, but how long will it last? In Africa life and politics travel in circles. I very much doubt Ethiopia will hold a fair election. Even if it does, it is a sham one. As you rightly said, all the parties should come to
          some kind of compromise to safe whatever is left of “Mama Ethiopia”.

          Mengistu and his junta saw themselves as democrats as they
          were elected through an election. Would you call that an election? All the winners were elephants. Yes, in Africa, elephants run for an election.

          I had luck on my side. My first real election was a week
          after I had arrived in the UK. Although I was not sure I had the legal documents to vote, somehow, I was persuaded by the Labour candidate to get into the polling station and had voted. The area I voted was won by the Labour party. Yes, if the Tories found out that they lost the election due to illegal immigrants, it would have created a political earthquake. I have never forgotten the first
          polling station I voted in. Growing up in a communist environment makes you an idealist person. You see the world through your senses of right and wrong; fair and unfair, halves and not-halves. The communist and the hard-left fill in the vacuum; they are seductive and pleasing to the heart. But gradually, you learn things
          are not what ought to be. I learned quickly how the left and union operate. Could you imagine, a person who is supposed to represent the dispossessed, and workers earn a six-figure sum figure and yes, the milk comes from the cows? Since then I could not stand the lefties and commies, but I had the test of them. Occasionally, I still see the old comrades, but some of them are digging deep and remained under the water.

    • Paulos

      Selam Kaddis,

      Congrats a million times! Well argued and well written article. And I say, it is time for Sal to resurrect his Al-Nahda brand and make himself visible to the Ethiopian larger audience and unleash his powerful pen in tandem with the Ethiopian public intellectuals like yourselves as he has injected Hemlock induced paralysis into the PFDJ edifice. Sal, if you are reading this, it is time to write articles on “Ethiopia-Insight” on Eritrean perspectives.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Gash Paulos –

        If there is anything intellectual about my heavily edited piece; its plagiarized ‘as saay would say it’ from all of you : -)

        I agree – now that Eritrea become one of the main discussion point, in fact position, in the Ethiopian political debate – saay’s piercing outlook is in high demand. Even OLF and its humbly speaking leaders are making strong statement like – regardless of our respect to the self liberated people of Eritrea, if their gov conspire with PP to attack the Oromo, we will bring back the nation to the violence …that was a strong statement from Gen Ayana? who was part of the negotiation of OLF return in Asmara but soon jailed after return to Eth…( now free)

        Ethiopian Insight, Addis Standard, fortune are becoming formidable voices in this uncertain times indeed.

        Cheers,

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Kaddis,

      Thank you for the in-depth analysis of the past and current Ethiopian politics – the risks and the possible opportunities along the current politics alliances. One hopes Ethiopia/Ethiopians find a safe exit from the current political conundrum with a leader who could navigate careful in the current delicate situation. Good reading, Kaddis and good luck for Ethiopian politicians.

      Regards

      • Burhan Ali

        Selam Amanuel

        Glad we have you back home, to awate.com, in your presence a fresh presence is present in it (awate.com). I wish you all health and hope seeing more of you!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Burhan (Abi-seb),

          Thank you brother. We are here together on the same boat to bring justice, equality, and above all to realize an “equitable share” in the political and economic life of our people.

          Regards,

      • Kaddis

        Selam Gash Aman –

        Great to hear you back, greetings from the cloudy Addis.
        We don’t have hope except being hopeful.
        Cheers,

    • Samuel

      Selam Kaddis,
      Great read!!
      Let me repeat one of your paragraph.

      “Led by the incomparable Meles, whose political acumen was often acknowledged even by his die-hard detractors, EPRDF also attracted international acclaim. “Boosted by relative political stability and spectacular—if deeply uneven—economic growth at home, the former guerrilla leader from Tigray transformed Ethiopia from an object of international pity into a powerful actor that has commanded increasing global attention,” Harry Verhoeven from Georgetown University wrote after his death in 2012.”

      The Trump backed prime mister (Abiy) will end his time before Trump ends his presidency in January 20, 2021. Things are getting tighter and tighter, I hope he leaves office without more bloodshed. His kingdom was nothing but destined to fail after he killed Engineer Simegnew Bekele and the Chief of Staff (General Seare).

      Abiy, Gedu and Demeke have blood on their hands, its a matter of time they will pay the price for it.

      Keep it up!

      Thanks,

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        We can not deny the fact that it is a person like Meles with an extraordinary persona and intellect who can keep the otherwise complex people and nation together and who can lead it into the right direction as well. That single critical factor is tragically missing and hence the cacophony of incompetents turning the nation into a complete joke.

        • Samuel

          Selam Paulos,
          I agree, what is even worse is that the way they pretend how great PMAA is, they paint him as the only great mind Ethiopia has ever seen. Some of his supporters tells you that he is “God sent leader” to save Ethiopia. ትምክህተኞች የማይጠፉባት ሃገር ሁና ቀረች።

          የአንድ አገር መሪ ሚና ካሜራ ፊት መገልፈጥ፣ የአውቶብስ ትኬት መቁረጥ፣ ሬስቶራንት ውስጥ ማስተናገድ፣ አትክልት ማጠጣት፣ ጎዳና ማፅዳት፣ ሳህን ማጠብ፣ መፅሐፍት ማዞር አይደለም፡፡

          Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            Many Ethiopian leaders actually did work as manual laborers while in office. So Abiy is actually following precedent. Keep the slogans for another rainy day and start examining your position objectively.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            10 times in a month is different from 10 times in 30 years. I hope you are good in counting.
            Instead of criticizing with one-liner messages, why can’t you discuss your great leader achievements, it’s a matter of few lines if any. ትምክህተኞች መንደር ነው’ዴ ያደከው?
            ኣብይ ለማድነቅ ትምክህተኛ ሁኖ መወልድ ያስፈልጋል ብየ ነው።

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            Abiy planted a tree and to you this is not what leaders do. Washing dishes you called it. I just pointed out that other leaders actually did manual labor building roads etc. Do you disagree?

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            The country is burning like “Erta Ale”, however the PM is wasting his time taking pictures, planting tree and watering flowers every single day. The other day he crashed into a restaurant and took a picture with waitresses. Another day he knocked on a random Addis resident door, and he told them he is the PM. I guess he has heard that “Hayelom” used to drink beer with Derg generals, so is he trying to emulate that?

            I am not against planting tree but the photo-op has a limit. He should work hard to save the country. Where is his genius mind?

            By the way I have heard that since last few weeks he has started sleeping at “America Embassy”, because he doesn’t trust his security team anymore. He just goes out during the day to 4Kilo palace for photo-op.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            I cant debate rumors especially irrelevant ones. Bottom line 5 million cannot lord it over 100 million any more. End of story. Trump this Biden that Susan this – not going to change a thing.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            When you don’t have any facts to argue you brought the “majority tyranny” card. Remember that Quality is better than quantity.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            Are you saying you’d prefer a meritocratic system over an ethnic based one.

          • Samuel

            Selam Aligaz,
            What has to do with Abiy’s incapability to lead? You brought the “majority tyranny” card instead of discussing about PMAA tree planting and flower watering photo-op.

            Anyway to answer your question, in this forum I have made clear my position on federal arrangement and economic policy. You can have both systems at the same time. Within ethnic federal arrangement you can have meritocratic system, meaning within each Nation States you can have talented individuals to lead the government.

            Regarding federal government, you can select best minds from each Nation States and lead the Federal government. Thus, its not either or, you can have both in each Nation State and federal government.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            The notion of the best minds being “selected” defeats the purpose of a meritocracy at any level. Who decides and which criteria?

          • Aligaz G.,
            It is meritocracy the tplf way. It is the same thing as what their great guru had said. More or less, he could pick an uneducated shepherd and give him any position as long as he does the job for him. This edited version seems to have been said in front of the ethiopian parliament, he so much despised.

          • Aligaz G

            H,

            I agree but young Samuel wants to rewrap a failed dictatorship with words like quality and ethnic federalism. The phrase “dustbin of history” comes to mind. No takers

          • Abi

            Samuel
            ፈንቅል እንደጉቶ ሳይፈነቅልህ ሳኦልን አስከትለህ ቶሎ ጥፋ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Where you been bro? ሰሙኑን ጭር ብሎ ነበር። Hope all is well.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m around.
            አቶ አማኑኤል ከማይረባ ሰው ጋር መወያየትን ከኮሮና ህመም ጋር ሲያነፃፅረው አይች ልቤ መምታቷን አቁማ እረፍት ላይ ነኝ:: አመዴን ቡን አረገው::

          • Haile S.

            ጳውሎስ፡

            ራስ ኣቢ መለስ ሰምቶ ሲመጣ
            እኛ መለስ ሰምተን ስንወጣ
            ቤቱ መላእክት ሰፈሩበት ሰው ታጣ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            መለስ ቀለስ ቀርቶ ጊዜው ተቀይሮ
            ምነው አልሰማህም ተሸወድክ ዘንድሮ
            ለባለቤቱ እንደሁ ሁሌ ባዳ ጆሮ
            ሳኦል ለቅሶ ላይ ነው ማምለኪያውን ቀብሮ
            ጠዋትና ማታ ቢያሰማ ቀረርቶ
            መለስ ብሎ ቢያይ አምላኩ ተረስቶ
            ዜናውን ሳይሰማ በቁም አንቀላፍቶ
            ይሄው ይዋልላል በወጣበት ቀርቶ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ጋሽ ኣቢ
            ምዓስ ኢኻ ትዓቢ?

            ግዜ መሳፍንቲ ሓሊፉ
            ኣነነት ምባል ተሪፉ

            ሃይለስላሴ ከሪቡ
            መንግስቱ ሃሪቡ
            ሃይለማርያም ደሳለኝ ስልጣኑ ኣረኪቡ
            ኮለኔል ኣቢ ኣሕመድ ቀሪቡ
            ክሰቕላ ኣብ ክሳዱ
            ‘ታ ገመድ

            ሃገሩ ትፈናጨል
            ኣማኻሪ ናቱ ተወጢሑ ኣብ ገመል
            ካብ ዓዲ-ሃሎ ጭር የብል በዓል ኣመል-
            ሃገሩ ኣጥፊኡ ጎረቤት ሃገር ክልክም
            ሰብ ባህርዳርን-ጎንደርን ይመስለኩም
            ሃገርኩም
            ክስልም
            በሉ
            ኣስተውዕሉ ከየበለኩም ህልም
            ናብ ጉህም

            ካባና ተማሃሩ
            ኦሮሞኹም ኮነ ኣምሓሩ
            ብናይ ሓደ ስሑው-ሓንጎል ኣይትደናገሩ
            ‘ተዘይኮነ ከማና ትሓሩ
            ካባና የድሕንኩም

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            As Sal aptly put it, Isaias is flying to Ethiopia with a bag of Scorpions. They have no idea!

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            I’m waiting for translation.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው እንደምን ኣደሩ

            እስኪነቃ ኣቢ ትግርኛ ተም’ሮ ተምሮ
            መልስ ልስጥ እኔ በራሴ እንጉርጉሮ

            ጊንጡ መቀሌ ተሰውሮ
            ዝንጣፊው ጊንጥ ተቆጥሮ

            ወይ ዘንድሮ!!!
            ኣሞራው ዥግራ ነኝ ማለት ጀመረ፡ ኩታውን ቀይሮ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            አሞራው ራሱን ቢያታልል ጅግራ መሆን ቢሻ
            ከተደበቀበት ከደደቢት ዋሻ
            ከተሸሸገበት የመቀሌ ጢሻ
            ህብስት እንሶበት ቢከጅል አምባሻ
            ጠቅልሎ ሊገዛ እስከመጨረሻ
            ማነው የሚታለል ማነው ሆደባሻ?
            ፈንቅል ፈነቃቅሎት እስኪያጣ መድረሻ!

        • Aligaz G

          Paul,

          Surely you must get extra points for praising the great leader to the skies no limit. LOL

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            In fact, my praise if you want to put it that way was measured but if I have to put it unrestrained, the man was perhaps the greatest leader the continent has ever produced. Certainly, the stain on his otherwise impeccable legacy is what he did to Ethiopians of Eritrean origin when he systematically deported them but again to his credit he owned the stain and was remorseful in the end.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            There is a major blind spot in your otherwise lively and active intellect and that blind spot is TPLF. You are too self aware not to realize this failing but you are wasted as a cadre in this amen corner.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Pro bono Cadre? Sure but the thing is the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Those guys have done great things for your country whose skinny toddlers dropping like flies was its signature. No more they said and made you walk with your chins up in the world stage. Resent them to your delight when history attests otherwise where in the end that is what matters.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Resentment is blind emotion. Even facist italians were not resented after the war. In fact HSI invited them to stay on and prohibited revenge attacks on them. We looked objectively at TPLF and rejected its ideology as unsuitable for our country period. The manipulation by TPLF is to ethnicize the struggle. Why are you a party to this deception as an Eritrean patriot?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            For my country, you say? Which country? Where the Sidama, Hidya, Agew, Welayta, Afar, Somali are part of or Shewa-centric country?

            Those guys had a deep sense of history where prior to 1907 Ethiopia was two-third of what the Ethiopia we know today. Invasion and subjugation of peripheral ethnic groups who had a distinct culture and some with respectable Kingdoms remained victims of Menilik when he put them under a unitary-Amharized cleavage. That was the objective reality and the panacea for the age old menace was Ethnic Federalism. There is no any other way. You can’t possibly treat diarrhea with cough syrup.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Who made you arbiter for Sidama or even interpreter of Ethiopian history? Are you not Eritrean – Asmarino forever yada yada. Let us choose our way and you choose yours. ok?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You let Isaias interfere in your affairs and why am I not allowed?

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Are you claiming to be Isaias? Ato Saleh our gracious host would be shi****** himself if he hears this.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Agree. Stay good brother. Was great chatting with you.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Paulos, A tigrayan Words are useless. I have no doubt in my mind, if he was to be given another chance, he would make the same decision to deport Ethiopians of Eritrean origin. A knowledgeable person like you should know this.

        • Abi

          Paul +Samuel
          They say , “if two people agree all the time, it means one is not thinking”. In your miserable situation, both of you are not thinking. You are just reading from a manual distributed from dedebit.
          I’m sure you are handsomely compensated for your troubles.

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            Follow the trail of crumbs I say. Did you read the part about worshipping the great leader in the sky. Amazing.

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            If I follow the trial of crumbs, it will lead me straight to dedebit through the graveyard of the person they proudly and blindly worshipping.
            What is amazing is it is possible to brainwash a seemingly smart person.

          • Selam Abi,

            It seems that tplf is gasping for its last breath. That may be the reason it is exhuming old and forgotten skeletons, that of a ruthless and evil dictator, and it is fear-mongering with the 2005 elections.
            Identity-based federalists vs so-called unionists (i would like to call them regional federalists) and those who want the survival of tplf constitution vs those who want to amend and revise it, is the last battle front for tplf’s already lost war.
            In tplf’s Ethiopia the numbers showed riches and economic prosperity, while the vast majority of the people didn’t benefit from the so-called the big success tplf apologists are eulogizing. Who would depose a government that is pulling out the people from poverty unless it is doing the opposite?
            From Addis and Bahir-dar to Mekele, then to dedebit and finally to prison, doesn’t seem to be a joke after all.
            Tplf is fishing in muddy waters by trying to be the stumbling block on the way towards ethiopia’s peace and stability and by opposing and confronting a nation moving towards democracy from dictatorship. It is said that tplf is fighting on the side of olf-shenee in western wollega. There is no way the people will go back to the old and rejected tplf dictatorial system. They better swallow and digest it. Nevertheless, evil as they are, they could do harm before they go away.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            “የታረደች ዶሮ መሞቷ ላይቀር ልብስ ታበላሻለች ” እንደሚባለው ወያኔም ሲንፈራፈር ጉዳት ማስከተሉ አይቀርም::
            የወያኔም ፍርፋሪ ለቃቃሚዎችም ፍርፋሪው እንዳይቋረጥ መጯጯሃቸው አይቀሬ ነው::

          • Kaddis

            Selam Horizon

            Just in case I help clear some biases …

            Nobody was against the change that came on 2018 and I personally was on the record on Awate asking insiders like T. Kifle here – if there was a way to stop the humiliating oppressive rule prior to 2018 other than the crippling protest?

            My article is also clear the EPRDF party led structure, making
            the judicial, legislative …institutions obsolete, was disastrous on so many levels particularly on human rights and governance. I will not argue on growth figures pre 2018– since your idol Abiy just today pleading the nation while speaking at the parliament that Ethiopia economy is doing great as per the same institutions IMF, WB, UN which Tplf was rewarded (ticked all the SDG goals BTW) Should I believe him?

            I will leave your make believe separation of the current
            opdo and tplf as if they came from a different pot. As Jawar rightly said recently – I don’t know why PP/Opdo is jumping all over tplf – he said ‘we the opposition was the one who was hunted by tplf not opdo. Opdo was their criminal soulmates’ Nobody is buying their drama. Don’t go into opdo was there as junior partner or subordinate as well – save that to your junior readers and maybe read about the Nuremberg Tribunal – once and for all decided being a telalaki or a subordinate of a crime is equally punishable.

            The problem with the current change; opdo is trying to replace
            the position of tplf, literally. To be the ‘only power’ to rule under a unitary structure; as its party PP obviously shows it doesn’t support a federal structure.

            What we are saying is it could have been easier in 2005 if tplf
            lost the power struggle to give a unitary state a chance (big maybe) because the federal belief was weak then but not now. The Oromo, somali, Tigray, southern nations etc…as a society are mobilised in an identity based federal structure and trying to undo that is dangerous. Accepting the main three power bases, tigray, Amharic center and Oromo/south and negotiate is better.

            Tplf doesn’t need my lobby and I don’t see them vying to return since they seems to be comfortable on their mission accomplished: asserting the social, political and economic position / power of Tigray people.

            You can’t harm that position without harming yourselves and that’s what the crippling nation showed you the last two years. 2018 was the chance for Oromo to assert their position in Ethiopia proper. We lost Eritrea refusing to assert their position and seems we are not learning.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            They won’t let up and give a rational voice like yours a chance till they—Isaias and some in here–see TPLF wiped out as if it is just an acronym that can be cleaned out with a rubber-eraser. As you have aptly put it, TPLF is done with the rest of Ethiopia and they have a zero interest in coming back to power and govern. In fact, the central narrative in Tigrai is not resentment in losing out central power but if they could opt out as a sovereign nation—of course those who are pushing for independence are fringes not main stream.

            On a separate note: If you could please expand on Isaias’ role if what is being said is inflated or a hyperbole–that practically the security in Ethiopia particularly in Addis is being run by him. Moreover, in your opinion, what is his most critical objective in interfering in Ethiopia’s internal and foreign affairs. Much obliged!

          • Admassie

            Selam Kaddis,

            If human rights abuse and chronic corruption is the real issue, let Abiy and oppositions together establish an independent body that can investigate and make a report so that all involved be accounted. Otherwise absolving OPDO, ANDM and others and accusing TPLF only is just political which will solve nothing except breeding animosity that is costing us a lot. “ከልጅ ልጅ ቢለዩ አመትም አይቆዩ” ይላል ያገሬ ሰው፡፡ የጠሉትን ብቻ እየመረጡ ለፍርድ ይቅረብ ማለት ለዴሞክራሲ፣ ለፍትህ፣ ለሰብአዊ ክብር እንዲሁም ሙሰኝነትን በመቃወም የሚነፋውን የአስመሳይነት ጥሩምባ አደንቋሪ ከሚያደርገው በቀር ለአገር ደህንነትና ሰላም የሚያመጣው አንዳችም ፋይዳ የለም፡፡

            By the way, talking of the Nuremberg Tribunal, I am remembering some parallel b/n Kinijit’s tactic and Hitler’s one before coming to power. In Joseph Goebbels’ diary, one can summarize the tactic of the Nazis into four:
            1. It singled out the Jews as the beneficiaries of the economy, the responsible for the misery of the country and the loss of the First WW, the evil doers etc.
            2. It engaged and mobilized unemployed youth for mob.
            3. It used street violence as a means in intimidating the incumbent government.
            4. It used paper media such as the news papers “Angriff “and “Beuwachtung” as a propaganda outlet in instilling hate, harassing and defaming anyone taken as an enemy.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Admassie,

            The points you listed about the similarities between Kinijit and the Nazis are correct.

            I am curious to know if these anti-TPLF groups are driven by ideological underpinnings. The Nazis used pan-Germanic ideas by Houston Chamberlain [British], Alfred Rosenberg, Richard Wagner and Dietrich Eckart as a driving force.

            For example, I know, one group is intensively chauvinistic and greedy, while the other suffers from perpetual persecution complex.

            Of course, I am talking about the elites and not about the cannon fodder.

          • Admassie

            Selam Simon K.,

            I do not know for sure if the anti-TPLF people are driven by any ideology for thier spinning and neither do I believe that Hitler’s primary drive is ideology. Hitler may have been in agony at early edge due to the repeated humilation of Germany by lost wars and as a result it may have created hate, boiling anger and revenge in him. I think his Weltanschhauung came latter when he became active in the politics as depicted in his book, Mein Kampf. He needed an ideology to support his hate, contempt and revenge against those he believes who are responsible for the humilation. He thought it is in great service to the Almighty Creator to keep the “pure” race from the Jews. He wrote, “And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.”

            Thus, in perspective of the above, it may be hate driven by historical humilation that set revenge against fellow human beings. We have seen it in Germany, in Yugoslavia and in Rwanda.

          • Selam Kaddis,

            OPDO and others were the creations of tplf, and they couldn’t behave differently from their master. They were the subordinates, the long arms in a way, executing their masters errand. They are culpable but not on equal terms with the mastermind, tplf. They were the hodamoch within OPDO who did what their master did. Nevertheless, the hottest place in hell is for those who are the mastermind, tplf.
            Instead of running and hiding in Tigray, and lamenting from there for lost glories, and accusing others,like PP this and that, why don’t they come and do politics from the center? They are preemptively saying a lot of things from their hideout, by accusing the federal government in so many different ways, the result of which is simply losing any relevance outside tigray.
            You know very well that OPD or whoever may come in the future in ethiopia will not be able to rule the country with a centralized unitary system, and the problem is identity based tribal/ethnic federalism that could be replaced, for example, with a regional federal system as in many other countries. Tplf is dogmatic about identity-based federalism and its constitution as if the latter is the bible that shouldn’t be amended, which is irrational. So many constitutions are amended over time all over the world, why not tplf’s constitution? Why should the elections be a life and death issue for tplf, unless it serves its unholy purpose?
            2005 or today, the aim is not to bring back a unitary system, but as i said above, to replace identity-based ethnic federalism that has brought every ethnic group against the other. It was meant to create regional states that will be so weak that they will be in the hands of the central government, as it happened during tplf rule.
            None of these ethnic states are viable, nevertheless they could plunge into an ugly chaotic state. Fear-mongering unless the tplf way ethiopia is not meant to be doesn’t hold water, because all will be losers and no one is ready to risk, even tplf’s tigray.
            The unitary system is done with, it is over. Tplf knows it, everybody knows it. Nobody wants a return to chaos. It is all about getting rid of zenawism.
            Especially lately, i don’t think that tplf is comfortable, and no mission is accomplished as long as the people of tigray remain poor, and they are manifesting their opposition to the status quo with their complaints and demonstrations. It is tplf that has to answer to their demands, and not the federal government, which is carrying out its responsibility. The crippling nation as you call it, supports the budget of tigray by more than 7bn birr which will soon be above 10bn. In addition, roads are being built all over tigray and water project for mekele is carried out by the federal government, and yet tplf is heaping all blames on the federal government.
            Finally, we lost eritrea mainly because tplf was not ready to share power with eplf, and more or less, pushed it out of ethiopia. It wanted the sole exploitation of the country for itself.

          • Aligaz G

            Kaddis,

            Assertion of Tigrean power etc at whose expense? Or when you say Tigrean you mean TPLF? Please elaborate

          • Kaddis

            Aligaz –

            By assertion means to improve the reach of a community it deserves in the bigger circle. Tigray is no more that far away people suffering cycles of famine ( ethiopia as well for that matter ) – they have a politically, economically, security etc.. viable nation with firm control – no power dare to tell them to start primary education in Amharic or to get rid of their flag ( sounds federated Eritrea right ?)

            On whose expense – although very hypothetical – like in whose expense is Russia or China asserting their global position? I say none. I don’t see any group disposed of its status just because tigray and to some extent oromo and other nations asserted thier position. I come from a gurage background and I see my zemedoch richer , maybe not control Merkato like they used to.

            Maybe the urban Amharic class who felt they are the group who define who is Ethiopian or not? who monopolized the media and the Ethiopian narrative? now – you don’t need the Ethiopian TV to break the news so that BBC and New york times write about it …Tigray tv or OMN is reliable enough …so the changes are irreversible …
            Its not Tplf, its the Tigray people. Tplf withdrew from the center, does it mean Tigray people lose thier status, business etc..probably marginally and temporarily. There was some venerability for the Tigray people during the oromo protest due to years of hate-mongering by media like ESAT – but now they are symbols of self assertion, self rule in Oromia , the risk of targeted attacks are diminishing, they have made a strategic ally and I dont see Tigray to be targeted in Ethiopia except maybe in Amhara region…not by the fault of the people but the media and politicians

          • Aligaz G

            kaddis,

            “Assertion” is probably not the word you are looking for. But if it “assertion” involves an active reimposition of TPLF power ie 5 million ruling 100 million you can forget about it. Are you sure you are not kmekele mussina sefer?

      • Kaddis

        Selam Samuel –

        As I mentioned above to Gash Ismail – the tag of war between the identity based federalists and the Unitarist ( dominantly the Amharic urban elite ) will exist and one can not fully win one another. TPLF / EPRDF did wrong not negotiating post 2005 election – maybe around 2010, and for that reason the Unitarists had to make deal with all the strategic adversaries of the nation; now on the driving seat.

        Yes – the US election will be the el clásico not only for Ethiopia but Bolivia, Mexico, UK, Venezuela, Brazil etc…who are suffering under the liberal rights wackos brought following just revolutions, some elections.

    • Teodros Alem

      kasheger
      i didn’t read ur pathetic article, because i already know who u r and i know ur article is pathetic .
      but i want u to tell u this, in whatever ways , no malnutrition agam will win a single vote outside of adaye tigrai unless off course that agam is the loyal servant of 3A, that is a known fact.
      u know election and democracy mainly means peoples choice, so no chance for agam but u can choose what ever u want to choose in tigrai, that is ur democratic right and u have to know and i told u before, the only organization that can organize election in ethiopia is federal government/ethiopia election agency.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Kaddis,

      First, allow me to use this opportunity to celebrate Amanuel Hidrat’s home coming. Welcome Aman. Furthermore, you have written a great, timely and informative article about current, rather fluid, pre-election politics of the country. What could unfold in Ethiopia is of immense interest to those of us who closely watch current affairs out there. As a close neighbour, events would positively or negatively impact our people and country.

      As you have lucidly explained, the principal divide polarizing the nation is return to pre-1991 status quo ante – centralized unitary state governance system – or continuation of post 1991 identity -based federalist decentralized system. The former rationalized by modification of democratic regional administrations under a constitution cleansed of any identity or group rights, while the latter informed by overhauling the the
      current constitution to be more democratic and accommodating.

      The stakes would be huge, especially to the nationalist or centralists because it would be an immense uphill undertaking to return to the old system with the political baggage history has carried with that project. Anyway, it is going to be testing time for transition whose outcome would mean much to the country and neighbours.

      • Kaddis

        Selam gash Ismail –

        I also join you in Welcoming Gash Aman –

        Yes the struggle is non-stop and the blame also goes to TPLF /EPRDF that they were supposed to give space to the Unitary forces even after they ‘won’ and find themselves in a stronger position. Including with Eritrea and the Oromo forces. In addition – they should have created independent institutions like the judiciary and democratic institutions ( if not legislators ) strong enough to protect the federal system, even after EPRDF. But EPRDF only strengthened its party and when they were disposed – they left everything exposed. There is no institution that is capable of even protecting the TPLF/EPRDF itself from any unjust treatment.

        Now, the Unitary forces are feeling they are on the winning side, since they co-opted the PM, the gulf, Eritrea and the liberal powers are behind them. The problem is after 2005 – the federal structure and narrative became mainstream and in fact EPRDF itself was thrown out of power because it became a Unitary state, functionally, at the end. The federal understanding and self rule became so popular – the Oromo mobilized itself on self rule values and thrown the EPRDF itself. It would have been a different story if the Unitarists won in 2005. Regardless – Abiy and his handlers are trying to undo the constitutional federalism and we are screaming – you can’t do that without sinking the nation into violence.

        But with advisors like Isias – who cares.

    • Admassie

      Selam Kaddis,

      Great article and it is insightful to bring the 2005 election in Ethiopia as the benchmark of a clear competitive political block. As you noted, it was also the time by which hate, isolation and attacking of people from a certain ethnicity was initiated and used as a political instrument in opposing EPRDF. The same tactic has been used again since the uprising in 2015 in a more aggressive way and Abiy has taken it to the highest level since he came to power.

      The uncompromising attitude of the “አንድነት” block and its hate towards EPRDF/TPLF and as a result throwing away anything associated with it costed us the opportunity of maturing the democratic process in 2005 and it is costing us right now greatly.

      However, this time it is not only TPLF that is standing by the constitution and the existing federal structure, but there are other groups and populations also. It is wise that politicians understand the reality of our country on the ground. According to Lidetu Ayalew’s recent interview, he referred to a study made by his party that 55% of Ethiopian population supports the existing federal structure. He predicts, again based on his party’s study, PP may not get more than 20% of the vote of the population in a transparent and fair election. I would agree with Lidetu’s assessment and more so, on his view of PP’s stand regarding the two opposing blocks. He believes that PP sits on the fence and has intentionally hid its stand. But of course, how much it hides its stand, I believe PP’s true intention at the end is, contrary to what Lidetu believes, to stand by the “አንድነት” block.

      In a transparent and fair election Abiy’s party could be a king maker, if there is no outright winner. No more than that. But, for now that is not the big issue. The most pressing issue now is, if an election is not to be held within the mandated time frame, there is a very probable chance that we are heading to a dangerous road that will cost us a united country. Thus, the only way out is negotiation and we expect wise politicians and leaders to navigate carefully.

      • Paulos

        Admassie,

        Well put. Thank you!

      • Kaddis

        Selam Admassie,

        I truly agree – the fact that we have not assessed 2005 or the parties ( most of them are still active) avoided assessing what happened in 2005 is costing us very much.The Amharic Andinet ( now Yezega ) politics are trying to fix the discussion on Menilik or Ehapa – just to avoid the discussion.

        I dont think Kinijt was interested to govern the country in the first place – if it was the case – they have won much of the country’s cities, semi urban areas including Addis, probably more than half of the economy of the nation. This is the problem of depending once viability by foreign powers, like PP; even if you find yourselves in a workable position, the powers behind wont let you.

        PP easily will get the federal PM position; but one way or another the next government will not be a 99.6% parliament, means he has to sit and negotiate even post 2020/21/22 election. But with advisors like Isiais and financiers like the gulf states – this wont happen and he is trying to crash the oromo and tigray power bases. This will not happen within, like you said, in one country called Ethiopia.

    • Saleh Johar

      hi Kaddis,
      excellent refresher but i am disappointed you forgot to mention one woman. Back then, I christened the EU agitator in a diplomatic veil, “Hanna Gobezie*” 🙂

      She inflicted the most wounds on the 2005 election. She was all over the place inciting and agitating and if there was justice in the world, she should have been held accountable for a few of the lost lives.

      • Paulos

        Selam Aya Saleh,

        I suspect she mistook Ethiopia for Mozambique or Angola.

        • Aligaz G

          Paul,

          Ana Gomes as the neocolonialist. Nice.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I wasn’t joking when I said she confused Ethiopia with Mozambique or Angola simply because in her mind she thought “they are all the same.” Remember, Angola was under the longest colony in Africa–close to 500 years.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            You forgot the spousal abuse part and the teenage shoplifting episode and she likes fur coats. Be creative

      • Hashela

        Selam Saleh

        I took the liberty to strengthen your input by doing minor editings. Below the edited version:

        excellent refresher but i am disappointed that you forgot to mention the fearless lady. Back then, out of admiration I christened her as “Hanna Gobezie*” 🙂

        She unveiled the fraud on the 2005 election. She was all over the place alerting the international community and if there was justice in the world, she should have been awarded a medal.

        You are welcome, Uncle Saleh:)

        • Saleh Johar

          Thanks cousin Hashela,
          You didn’t have to do that! but it is the itch and I am glad it is not me 🙂

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            I like the second half your most recent Negarit. Excellent!

            It is sad that the Eritrean and Ethiopian communities put great efforts to emphasize their “non-blackness” and harbor a racist attitude toward African-Americans.

            Many Eritreans and Ethiopians specially these with university education seem to be oblivious that the rights and privileges/success they enjoy in America are partly the results of a multi-century old struggle carried out by African-Americans.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            I actually didn’t know you were being sarcastic when you criticised the Portuguese woman. And didn’t know it was actually a complement on your part when you changed her last name to “Gobezie.” Ma bad!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,

            Never liked the woman because she hated the Eritrean opposition with passion and made foolish comments about Eritreans who oppose the regime. And she was agitating Ethiopians, I don’t care what Ethiopians did but for that woman to be the maestro disgusted me. She was very friendly with KINIJIT who had more privileges in Eritrea than Eritreans. And it was at the time they supported the Asmara devil against the Eritrean opposition. They are to blame for all the defamations and self serving info they fed their PFDJ allies—the opposition is still dealing with it. including Aligaz 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Trust me – I am not Kinijit

          • Saleh Johar

            Sorry Aligaz,
            But you sounded like them 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,
            Guilty before proven otherwise huh?

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            In case you haven’t noticed you are already a guilty party in the court of Tplf admirers.

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            They seem to not have any white groupies pushing their agenda which seems to annoy them.

          • Saleh Johar

            No aligaz,
            It’s just Janhoi Hammurabi’s mathematics: a jab = a jab 🙂

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            Just curious, is Mathematics your thing?

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            Don’t tell me I invented some formula 🙂
            No Paulos, I hate it, but I love artimetik–I’m quick with percentages, addition and similar simpler stuff–you know, it is my family legacy 🙂

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            I want to promise you something that will make you see Mathematics beyond just Artimetik but for that promise to come to life, I need you to read this book, “The Joy of “X”: A Guided Tour of Math, from One to Infinity.” The author Strogatz Steven is of course a Mathematician but he wrote the book in such a way where we see Mathematics the same no more. I promise you!

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            you made me feel guilty. I have the book that I received last December as a gift from my daughter. I started to reach it but then it ended up in a pile somewhere. I spend a good part of the last hour looking for it. Now i have to read it and come back to you when I finish–I hope it is can be quick read and does not require full attention.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Certainly, mathematics require full attention.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            I didn’t welcome you but you assured me you will defeat Corona and I took it for granted. Welcome.
            i agree, mathematics requires full attention and you can guess what i was reluctant to read it. but now i am on page 30 and it reads like a comic book, intelligent comic book as far as flow is concerned. it is not haha funny, but Haha without the laugh–it makes you think. i will report when i finish it–if nothing else comes up, i should be done with it soon.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            Glad you have it. It is easy read and a lot of aha moments about the mystery of numbers. Believe me, you will love it. I have read both of his books, in fact during the Corona months where I stayed home a lot.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            I was waiting to see if you realized Ato Saleh knows Mathematics. His Egytian friend and that spooky story about de Sitter. Needs to let loose and his light shine

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Aya Saleh doesn’t use technology to do ኣርትመቲክ, he uses his fingers instead including for Multiplication and Division and if need be Percentages, Logarithms and Natural Logarithms as well. In fact, some people have seen him using his fingers to figure out Sine, Cosine and Fourier Transformation.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul

            I wonder if people still know how to use slide rules. Very effective and elegant

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            Glad to hear that. I have never heard any Eritrean praising her except of course Isaiasists when the Portuguese woman including Isaias don’t think much about them.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Saleh –

            Feel humbled to get feedback from you.

            Anna was mentioned in the form of ‘an activist EU’ who was/ is an extreme voice even within the EU parliament. Her appointment was a disaster making the election a preparation for a revolution and costed the EU itself so much ground to negotiate with Ethiopia the next 10 years – There was no disagreement on the commitment of EPRDF for the per-election preparation and if the blame should be shared – much of it goes to the foreign hands and their foot soldiers Kinijt.

            If there was a second part of the article …it would continue from the successful operations of the Anna’s since 2018, planting their cells of ex-Kinijit in the current key democratic institutions, who are working to undo the constitution they tried to crash in 2005 …you know who they are 🙂 I am glad we enjoyed the relative peace in between.

      • Aligaz G

        Ato Saleh,

        Back then you were hanging out with questionable types. The folly of youth I say. lol

        • Saleh Johar

          HI Aligaz,
          Stop your gas 🙂 never hanged out with anyone I didn’t have to. If you have specific question (not perception) shoot and I will yield. I do not appreciate insinuations.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            No insinuations? Silly me. Ok here is a direct question – Did you ever materially gain by associating with TPLF even under the guise of fighting Isaias?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            And the Polygraph goes full of tall spikes after he answered “Yes.” But mine went straight line after I answered “No” to the same question.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,
            Did I come across like the inquisition?
            Btw I am willing to believe even you until proven otherwise. For what it’s worth

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You are not serious. Are you?

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Always serious

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You can’t be because this is a joke. I have a career so does Aya Saleh.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Sure

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            We all hold opinions about certain things perhaps even convictions. That is all about it and as much as we are genetically diverse so are our worldviews. And that is the beauty of life.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Convicted of crimes? It is obvious. lol dont take yourself so seriously.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You too take it easy.

          • Saleh Johar

            Curious Ali,

            Now you are talking.

            1. In 1998 EPRDF humiliated me by revoking my Ethiopian passport when they were deporting Eritreans from Ethiopia.
            2. And the PFDJ denied me a passport because I fiercely opposed the Badme war.
            3. stateless, I lost my lucrative job, my children could not be enrolled in schools because I was stateless, and other painful stuff.
            4. I went through tough tomes until I managed to get an asylum in the USA.
            5. I defeated both governments whom I warned in one of my article of then, “you better stop the war because finally you will sit in a table and sign a peace agreement. When you do that, I volunteer to donate the tablecloth [paraphrased]” That was among the crime list laid against me for “mocking the government instead of standing behind it in a time of war.”
            6. In 2008 the toil of many of us bore fruit, I had to go to Addis (after 11 years) to attend a meeting where the split between the parties was mended.
            7. That was the time I had an interview with the late Meles Zenawi, and it created an uproar because it was the first of its kind after the war; thereafter everyone wanted to do the same. Many PFDJistas still think I committed a crime (strike that, read high treason) for doing that interview. And that my friend was like Coronavirus, it infected a few people–check up in case you are infected:-)
            8. I visited Ethiopia to attend Hawassa conference (Eritrean opposition), where my friction with the EPRDF became magnified, and then once on my way to Djibouti (2nd interview with Meles a few months before he died), and lastly in 2015 on my way to and back from Nairobi.
            9. There are other stuff good stories fir for a book, and you have no privilege to know, and I will decide when — you have to wait for that.
            10. In the 2008 trip, we were housed in a small hotel on Debrezeit Menged, I stayed there for three days and night, paid for by the Eritreans opposition organizations (the EPRDF used to fund some of them partially, others lavishly). In short, if we say it was paid by the EPRDF, it was nine meals and three night lodging which I am assuming is 300 Birr X 3 nights = 900 Birr. Plus, nine meals at 50 Birr which comes to about 450 Birr. That makes the total 1350 Birr. If anyone is saying i owe them, kindly you or Kaddis can pay it in cash and I will reimburse you with $100–that will includes your 150% service commission 🙂

            10: Your main question. No. Not a single cent. Believe me, I didn’t eat any Tre sga or drink anything except tea–no one should claim he fed me.

            There, curious Aligaz, I hope I answered your questions and explained to you why you think the way you do (did?)

            NB: during the Hawassa conference, we stayed in a motel for 5 days, I believe the EPRDF carried the bill but if anyone is feeling sorry, I can pay my share which would be about 2 thousand Birr.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            I am sorry but you sound like a TPLF supporter. Black box analysis I know. Unfair, prejudiced yada yada. But dont forget to you I am a kinijit supporter simply because I talk like one…Anyway I am glad you have not been financially compromised. So case closed.

          • Saleh Johar

            TPLF supporter! Why the cruel demotion 🙂
            I am loyal to Eritrea, nothing more–and I do not know if you are KINIJIT or not. I thought I explained it–an eye for an eye! that is why I mentioned Hammurabi. i just gave you what you threw at me. i don’t know your political affiliation and there is no point for me to play a wizard who knows. I was just making a point.

            Thanks for closing the case

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            It is good we dont judge one another hastily. But would you like it if your friend lets you leave the house with your hat on crooked. You would say – ende! why didn’t you tell me. Right?

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            I will reply to that in our next debate on philosophy 🙂 I suspect it is a new branch and I am already feeling like a monkey jumping from one branch to another. let’s end it here. No hard feeling 🙂

          • Hashela

            Saleh

            ቆንጠጠፈ ትፈጦዶ? እዚ ሰባይ ከም ቆንጠጠፈ’ዩ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ዶክቶረ,

            እምበር ቆንጠፍጠፈ!

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            ግርም፣ ጽቡቕ ገርካ ኣሚትካሉ!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Anes kwakhito mbelkuwo. 🙂

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Saleh
        “ጊዜ ከመስታወት እንደምን ይለያል
        እንኳን የሰው ፊቱን ጀርባውን ያሳያል”
        ብሏል ያገሬ ዘፋኝ

        በሉ ተውት ጌታው! ስለ ፍትህ ሲሰብኩን የነበረው ለካ ሲሸውዱን ኖሯል?

        • Saleh Johar

          Ras Abi,
          If Kinijit is the yardstick, my position has a yardstick and it favors the country by the Red Sea. can’t be neutral with someone who pierces that country, even if they are “yeburtugal frenj”, and any KINIJIT allies of Isaias. That is what it’s your highness 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            ይሁና! መቼስ ምን ይባላል?
            ይመችዎ ጌታው!

  • Peace to all,

    Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….
    The way of ruling the hypothetical country by the name of Eritrea. It got that state, twenty nine years today. It is a country that demised before it was born. You are welcome to name it as you wish.

    The since ruler, tyrant Isaias Afwerki, the almighty president, enthroned by the negatively established old oppositions of him, from Eritrea, initially unhappy that he would install a Christian state. His surmise led him to conclude that Eritrea is a non-entity that would go no where. True to itself, it went no where. I say, it will go nowhere, leading me to glean, it should return back to Ethiopia. Some thing where I agree with Isaias Afwerki, never the less both of us coming from completely different doors.

    As I continually stated, the intelligence of Isaias Afwerki, his superior intelligence did not only cordone the old oppositions but systematically, those that grew with him, those that worked with him, those that fought with him during the war of independence, those that ruled alongside him when Eritrea became independent. Most of them either dead or in incarceration as we speak.

    That standing, Isaias seeing the country is non viable, he came up with a simple moto that went like this, “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”. Of course, all wars were instituted by Eritrea.

    Eritrea became independent to engage in war with Yemen on Islands that were rewarded to Yemen. The small Djibouti was the other victim, complaining about boarder. Follows Sudan, another skirmish with another but better dictator. The real scrimmage was Ethiopia with lengthy story to tell. It is viable to remember Eritrea was a province of Ethiopia, the rules that took over Ethiopia alongside the independence of Eritrea were the Tigray state entity. In my view, the Tigray rebels while working in tandem with the group in Eritrea EPLF under Isaias Afwerki, they whole heartedly knew they could not rule Ethiopia alongside Isaias Afwerki, who would only ask to be at the helm as the head. So it looked sustainable to allow Eritrea to become independent.

    The indignant Isaias Afwerki, in his list of dispenses was Badme. Strangly, the issue of Badme was raised by the blundering, with the no good oppositions, that it should be part of Eritrea during the gorilla wars when Isaias Afwerki shut them up. It is that card that Isaias Afwerki raised to kick off a war. Eritrea then, was bitten black and blue only to be saved by the late Meles Zenawi, himself half Eritrean, the then Prime Minister of Ethiopia who called back the army from taking over Asmara.

    The grudge sawed the big heart of Isaias Afwerki that became unhealable wound to his ego. It is only a small price to pay if the people of Eritrea suffer to heal his wounds.
    I thought the pandemic here today, Corona Virus would be a part of the play moto to Isaias Afwerki, that being “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”. Obviously Corona Virus failed on the technique play of Isaias, it will not be the play, it is not good enough, that is when I started watching EriTV, that I felt there is another go with the Tigray entity in Ethiopia.

    Eritrea became independent to engage in war with Yemen on Islands that were rewarded to Yemen. The small Djibouti was the other victim, complaining about boarder. Follows Sudan, another skirmish with another but better dictator. The real scrimmage was Ethiopia with lengthy story to tell. It is viable to remember Eritrea was a province of Ethiopia, the rules that took over Ethiopia alongside the independence of Eritrea were the Tigray state entity. In my view, the Tigray rebels while working in tandem with the group in Eritrea EPLF under Isaias Afwerki, they whole heartedly knew they could not rule Ethiopia alongside Isaias Afwerki, who would only ask to be at the helm as the head. So it looked sustainable to allow Eritrea to become independent.

    The indignant Isaias Afwerki, in his list of dispenses was Badme. Strangly, the issue of Badme was raised by the blundering, with the no good oppositions, that it should be part of Eritrea during the gorilla wars when Isaias Afwerki shut them up. It is that card that Isaias Afwerki raised to kick off a war. Eritrea then, was bitten black and blue only to be saved by the late Meles Zenawi, himself half Eritrean, the then Prime Minister of Ethiopia who called back the army from taking over Asmara.

    As I claimed since the beginning of June 2020, I noticed the programmed aired in the child toy of Isaias Afwerki EriTV, I felt the messages sent by the programmes of war and sacrifices was in the intention to start a war with the Tigrai state of Ethiopia in conspiracy with, as I call him, the King wannabe Prime Minister of Ethiopia, Abiy Ahmed.
    Once again the sophistication of Isaias Afwerki bit my in my new game, he chose to start a war with Yemen instead.

    He needs an absolving circumstance, that going back to our title, “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”.
    Don’t ask for Democracy or Constitution, dammit.

    • NewDawn

      Selam yosief, stop blabbering nonsense. Meles zenawi wasnt half eritrean and he didnt save anyone. Maybe he stopped those helpless fenji regach.

      • NewDawn, let me accept your correction on the whereabouts of the late Meles Zenawi, but I stand with the other statements.

        As per the ‘fenji regach’, I give you the ‘old Oppositions’ of Eritrea, assuming it exists or will.

        • NewDawn

          Selam Yosief, ”As per the ‘fenji regach’, I give you the ‘old Oppositions’ of Eritrea, assuming it exists or will.” Trying to decipher this statement, has caused me an headache. Could you try explaining it again in more detail, to help me out!

  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    Sorry about this, there is funny things happening in Ethiopia. Today I dialed to Ethiopia to say hi my family, I was expecting the phone to ring as usual but what I started to hear was PMAA talking about his Medemer agenda. Just try to call to random Ethiopia phone, you will hear PMAA talking about his “Medemer” book. What a narcistic individual he became. My sister picked the phone, and I asked her about the background message, she said “Everyone is sick of this prime minster”.

    Thanks,

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      The guy is a joke. They say, a leader ought to be feared than loved but this guy is losing both. Complete stupid that he is, the other day I was watching a video where he talked about African-Americans with a condescending tone and content where some of the people in the audience mused. The guy opens his big mouth about extremely sensitive stuff he is completely clueless about.

      • Samuel

        Selam Paulos,
        He took the whole country apparatus as his own property. You know if his friend is IA what else can we expect from him. He is a very shallow-minded individual, his supporters are now losing him fast. He is administering 4Kilo and its surrounding, however when you hear him talk on TV he pretends as if he has control of the country, his virtual friends (web friends) are pretending as if he has control of the country too. I hope he leaves office without bloodshed.

        Thanks,

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam all,

    Here is something for a change.

    Candace Ownes remembers Saint George Floyd:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fij8TP0FE00

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Simon Kaleab

      “Candace Ownes remembers Saint George Floyd:

      https://www.youtube.com/wat…”

      WHEN THE SAGE POINTS AT THE MOON, THE FOOL LOOKS AT THE FINGER.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Paulos

        Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

        And the mediocre remains indifferent.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Paulos,

          The ultimate fake.

          For someone who declares his qualification on such a forum from the roof top, you must be a desperate attention seeker.

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            Heard of Multiverse? Well, if I am fake which you’re spot on that I am, at least I get comfort the fact that there is an authentic version of me somewhere in the Universe. And there ought to be a fake version of you somewhere in the Universe as well. And one wonders if the versions are having the same dialogue but obviously in reverse where my authentic version is calling your version–fake. Isn’t that cool stuff? I certainly think so.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Someone who support Trump and takes Fox News as a source of info is authentic? Thank you for the morning laugh. When someone started insults and derogatory words, you know the exit door, to leave him/her with their peers. Don’t waste your time and energy.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I am not sure what his problem is for he certainly has a serious one. It is ok to come here and vent but not to the extent of insulting people. Hope he gets better.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Paulos,

            You call each other Dr and professor, what a comedy show.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሳይሞን
            ንዝጸዓረ ምኽባር ጽቡቕ ባህሊ ኴኑ ስመዓኒ በዛነብሰይ
            እሞ ናብ ሹምባሽ ብሉቕባስ ዶ ክንቅይረሎም? 🙂

            ስኻን ሰመረ ተስፋይን ከማን ፕሮፌሰራት ኢለ ‘የ ዝጥርጥረኩም: ግን ስለዘይሓበርኩምና ‘ታሽመት ብቕድሚ-ኣስማትኩም ኣይለቀብናያን።

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            I respect you because you are modest, polite and not opportunistic .

            There are a lot of people on this forum who are as good as or even better qualified than the pompous attention seekers, but they do not want to brag.

            Trouble starts when the pompous ones become nervous and start throwing insults at politically incorrect views.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Amanuel H.,

            Glad to hear you are safe and well.

            For a while, I was thinking you went back to the Sahel with Dad’s Army [a BBC Sitcom] to confront Isaias, got captured at the border, and sent to Era Ero.

            By the way, how many meters can you run without stopping to catch your breath?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Paulos,

            Now, when you start with an unproven assumption and top this up with a secondary speculation, it is guaranteed that you will arrive at a stupid conclusion.

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            Now will wait to read what your fake version says. The one that supports Trump.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Paulos,

            Copy-and-paste wiz-kid.

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            I wonder if you would accuse me of copy and paste if I was a White person?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Paulos,

            Asmara University graduate?

      • Aligaz G

        Semere,

        Nice. The wise man discards nothing then discards everything

        • Simon Kaleab

          Aligaz,

          Recall what Menelik was reported to have said before he passed away: Kebtochen Adera [take care of my cattle]. Share your wisdom with the cattle, they need it badly.

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            The quote by Semere is “evocative”. It encapsulates a unique philosophy. Why dont you look into it? It might even help with your anger.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligaz,

            Stick to advising the cattle, you are part and parcel of the cattle. When Menelik said “my cattle”, he was referring to the group, in Ethiopia, that suffers persecution complex the most. I am giving you a hint. Being my adviser is above your pay grade.

            You can also take the bankrupt ponzi scheme salesman Semere and his cut-and-paste quote with you. You will make excellent house mates. You have my blessing.

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            So much anger. It’s good to let it out sometimes. How old are you really?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligaz,

            Stick to advising the cattle.

            Now get lost.

          • Aligaz G

            Sim,

            Do your parents know you are talking to strangers over the internet?

          • Teodros Alem

            simon k
            Why u don’t advise ur malnutrition miserable cattle, what a nonsense lactose eater , u better worry about ur malnutrition cattles.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            You are a nincompoop.

            Find the nearest tall bridge and jump.

          • Teodros Alem

            simon
            simon The locusts eater and proud of it,
            1st, aman h never been safe and well, u can tell he is not safe and well from his writings, he born miserable like u and die same thing, nature created him as such.
            Why would i jump? U r the one need to save ur miserable malnutrition cattles from yemen-saudi border, not me.
            bering them to adye tigrai and let them back to thier miserable life and let them eat locusts again.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            Fact check:

            Who is known in the whole World for Famine and Prostitution [even by married women]?

          • Teodros Alem

            simon
            simon the locust eater, the answer to ur idioti question is obvious, tigrai is known by famine and makes the whole of ethiopia known by famine.
            “Wolloyes”, r so beautiful, GOD created them to be beautiful, some of them might choose that bz like any other societies but ur malnutrition cattles can’t do that.
            Over 90% of them is not even fit to do that.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            The deaf head. So, you are admitting my allegations are valid.

          • Teodros Alem

            simon
            simon the locusts eater, im admitting u guys r a child rapist, “sodomist”(as in isemist) , malnutrition cattles.
            What a miserable nonsense.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Semere T.,

        Did you learn that quote in some bog standard University?

        You wasted a chunk of your life in a ponzi scheme called El Dorado, where the living are ritually sacrificed for the sake of the already dead. You ran away from it.

        You are now touting a similar ponzi scheme to gullible customers in a country that gave you shelter.

    • Hashela

      Selam Simon

      The beauty of protest against the ugliness of submissive mindsets

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b34800ba4e2c52c4a476713c3cd2e1a5342da81f8384cf98decf0e3982b31b8.png

      • Simon Kaleab

        Hashela,

        Crocodile tears.

        Why don’t you also show Black owned shops being destroyed by rioters?

        • Hashela

          Simon
          The irony is that many of the rioters and looters are far-right extremists, according to Trump “good people”. But don’t worry and don’t feel lonely for this site is blessed with a lot of racists.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            You are a liar and a creep. You have no credibility.

            Whatever Trump said, go and ask him. Tell him that you are a journalist from free and sovereign Eritrea.

          • Hashela

            Selam Simon

            Having thrown insults to nearly everybody, one hopes that you retreat to your dark underworld and resume your vegetative phase the duration and cycle of which hopefully extends from diurnal to seasonal.
            With horror and dismay, we await your inevitable re-emergence from the dark space that usually is reserved for fringe elements within the far-right movement. By then, we will have internalized Amanuel’s advice and resist to engage with you.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            Do not lie. You started the insults.

            You are scared of debating.

  • said

    Selam Amanuel Hidrat
    Welcome Back .Good to know you have recovered and healed well . You are real unifier and not a divider, your view of politics is inclusive and humane ,based on principles of justice and equality, you defended the disadvantage of others who can not voices themselves who have been ignored, misinterpreted, and exploited for political purposes .you stood against those who preach hatred and intolerance.
    There are people we know who have tremendous many kind of hardship and difficulties, financial difficulties, health difficulties, family difficulties. It would be pretentious to say anything about that because they are facing incredible hardship we pray for them while people were dying during the Corona Pandemic, while millions had lost their livelihoods and were going hungry during the “lockdown,” also we pry for them.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Said,

      Thank you brother. If the “black lives matter“ has found a reception by the majority whites, as we are witnessing these days, I have no doubt our marginalized minorities will find a listening ears from the majority Eritreans. Keeping the struggle alive is the role of the “conscious Eritreans”, who believe not only on equal rights but also for fair sharing in the political and economic lives of our nation. There is no “equal rights” without “fair sharing.” And you know how the majoritarian interpret equal rights – a twisted one to monopolize the politics and economics of the nation.

      Regards

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

        Believe it or not, I come here occasionally, to an Eritrean web site, to gain some perspective about what is going on in Ethiopia.

        Hello Amanuel, so glad to hear from you. I don’t really understand what you are talking about here but it doesn’t matter. I am happy you came through fine and picked up where you left off. I wish you the best.

        Mr. K.H

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kim.
          Thank you brother. We are here for learning and sharing knowledge. That is how I see it, so is the norm of my engagement. Thank you again.

  • Haile S.

    Good Saturday Emma, Paul, David-S et all,

    This is in reaction to Seltene’s interview of ato Rezene Habte & ato Abdella Barole that you talked about yesterday somewhere down the comments here:

    Ato Rezene Habte’s talk in Seltene’s interview was about walking backwards and regretting every gravel he walked on. Because he personally didn’t have an objective and an ideal for all his fights (ንገድሊ ይኽየድ ኢሎሞ ከይደ ዓይነት ኣዘራርባኡ), now he wants to paint all the gallants like you Emma, living or dead, with the same ugly pen of regret, and take us all back 60 years saying everything was rosy. How does one change a thorn into a fluffy petal? Although I haven’t read ato Rezene Habte’s book, but a lot can be gathered from his interview.

    Just few word about the interview: although SelTene is one of the few hosts who has extreme patience (considering the type of antagonistic people he invites at the same time), this time it was done badly. No one knows what was the objective of the talk or the fight, rather. The poor Abdalla Barole was taxed of being fed answers by phone text from others as if he was a zombie transmitter. Recently, I also heard the young BeKri (በኽሪ) getting accused of being manipulated by bigger fish behind him by his interlocutor in the Seltene’s show. This is a weird personal attack reminiscent of the old school of fear of an Arabian/Islamist Ghost pushing and directing every individual of our moslem brothers. It is worn out personal attack that doesn’t contribute anything in a debate. Abdalla was not innocent himself from insulting BTW, but he at least apologized several times.

    Now, back to ato Rezene Habte’s. Instead of trying to undo many of his baseless affirmations suggesting among others the undoing of the federal parliament was the decision of the parliamentarians and Eritreans were equals among equals, let me provide a long excerpts from then secret embassy analysis document on the insurrection in Eritrea, dated 1967 and released by CentralIA in 2002. It is a highly profession account of events from the highest knowledgeable body, the dearest friend of Ethiopia at that, and says a lot.

    Here are few paragraphs from the AAembassy release from 1967. Typos mine.

    ….. It was his son-in-law [Andargachew Masai] and his imperial spouse, Princess Tenagne Worq, who had more to do with the Eritrean tragedy than any others. Wherever the handsome Ras has descended, he has viewed and left the locale like a plague of locust. The Ras with his feudal title and imperial protection looked upon Eritrea as a fief to be plundered. It was inevitable that the then young and idealistic Tedla Beiru. Head of the unionist party and the first Chief Minister of Eritrea, would challenge the free-wheeling Ras. Tedla took federation seriously and meant it to work; unfortunately he chose to challenge the Ras rather than to use the feudal lord’s avarice as a funnel for central development funds and for consolidation of Eritrea’s status. It was predictable that he would lose the battle and that, in a society built on pillars of loyalty to the throne and retribution for disloyalty, he would swung into limbo by the Ras and his Lady.
    The cunning, ruthless and grasping Ras was fortuitously served by events in the Red Sea Basin which aroused the ever latent suspicions of the Emperor. Tedla was maneuvered out of his job (and out of Ethiopia in 1955 as minister to Sweden). It was in 1956 that Nasser emerged as the head of a dynamic Arab unity movement; and it was this shift in the power balance of the middle East which, taken together with the winds of change sweeping French North Africa the same year, the independence of Sudan in 1956 and the promise in 1956 of independence to Nkrumah that finally converted the Emperor from an “orientalist” to his present Africanist policy.
    Again, in 1962, when Nasser moved his army into Yemen, the Emperor decided to counter swiftly by finalizing the incorporation of Eritrea; within weeks, he squeezed the Eritrean Assembly into uttering its “unanimous” vote of acquiescence.
    While it would be foolish to ascribe to Nasser or to developments in the Red Sea Basin or on the African continent the entire rational for what occured in Eritrea, it would be equally mindless to ignore the general foreign political framework in which Imperial cerebrations grind. It is not only in Eritrea that these external developments affect Ethiopian policy and attitudes; there is hardly a reform taken by the emperor in his 50 years if power that did not originate from abroad or was not a reaction to what was occuring outside Ethiopia’s borders. The fear of Islam is congenital among Amharas and not without reason or memory.
    Whether the Emperor was prophetic or whether he engaged in self-fulfilling prophecy is debatable. But he was unwilling to risk a less-than-complete hold on Eritrea, after the emergence of Nasser’s dynamic and awakening appeal to previously apathetic Arab and Moslem masses throughout the Basin of the Red Sea. Nor was or is the Emperor unaware of the tenous Amhara hold on his congery of minorities in the other peripheral areas of the Empire; an autonomous Eritrea would only serve as a model for their future. To a monarch who had spent some 40 years on centralizing (and secularizing) Ethiopia, a Federated Eritrea would be tempting God and Nasser.
    But if the Emperor was once again prescient, his representatives’ actions did serve to fulfill his prophesy. By deviousness and ruthlessness, they rubbed abrasively on Eritrean sensitivities; they spread the infection of a national spirit; they unwittingly amplified the voice of Cairo. The Emperor’s complacent lifetime belief in and dependence on the infallibility of trickery and bribery persuaded him that the fat sincecures he offered all of the obliging assembly’s participants in the “unanimous” vote of union would be sufficient to keep a grip on Eritrea. In reserve, he had a growing army and police. But as speaker Reed said of the US acquisition of the Phillipines, “we had bought 10000000 Malays at two dollars a head unpicked and nobody knows what it will cost to pick them”. The Emperor and Ethiopia are now finding the bill for the acquisition of Eritrea is mounting. …..

    Thanks

    • David Samson

      Selam Haile,

      Personal attack cuts both ways, but you seem to have a soft spot for the other-half only. It is part and parcel of a free speech; it comes as a part of a package and one
      can’t cherry-pick and cry foul-play if things do not go his ways. Though I admire
      Rezene for his brutal honesty, I disagree with his views.

    • Paulos

      Selam Hailat,

      Thank you for presenting the excerpts even though MKO in his recent book, “The Dynamics of Unfinished Dream of African Nation” not only extensively discussed it but also he presented it as a central thesis of his book as the single trajectory thrust for the rise of ELM in 1958 and ELF in 1961. As you have aptly put it, the rise of Nasser in Egypt and the independence of Sudan in the 50s changed the calculus in the corridors of the Emperor’s Palace particularly the approach to the Eritrean question.The King was rattled and fretted perhaps for a good reason one might argue for Nasser had a grander ambition in the entire region.

      Moreover, as you put it, powerful personalities who were fiercely competing for the Emperor’s ears shaped up the outcome as well when the Emperor opted to listen to the hardliners as in his oldest daughter Tenagne-Werq and Aklilu-Habte-Weld instead of giving heed to the more sober consults of Asrate-Kassa and Imiru Hailesellasie where the latter was particularly pushing him to declare Constitutional Monarchy instead.

      To get back to the interview, I have to admit that I didn’t finish listening to the entire five part interview for lack of interest due to lack of professionalism of the host including the bickering that went on between Rezene and Abdella. That said however, when Rezene seemed to had been carrying personal grudges toward certain people in the higher up of the defunct ELF which seemed to have clouded his judgment, it was equally hard for me to take Abdella serious for his information is based on reading books on Eritrea when with all his weaknesses, Rezene on the other hand was there in the mix of the struggle. If Rezene didn’t admit about his personal rough engagement with the leaders, I would take his words for consideration perhaps more serious as well. If I have to take anything from the interview however, it could be a reality foretold in post-Isaias Eritrea. Frightening! We certainly have a lot of work to do where removing Isaias dwarfs in comparison.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Paul,
        I agree, especially with your last sentence. It sums our present. The moles playing whack the mole between themselves, so to speak!

        • Paulos

          I agree ሃይላት ሓወይ ብጣዕሚ ዘፍርሕ ነገር’ዩ!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      Thank you for becoming the digger (ፊሒራ) of history, when our house (ፊሒራ) Saay left us without alerting the forum. Wish him well and every success in his endeavors.

      This excerpt of our history of that era, explains all the political intrigues of the emperor on aborting the cause and aspirations of Eritrean people that lead to the annexation of Eritrea. And of course, with the help of some influential and renegade Eritreans such as Asfaha Wekdmicael and Keshi Dimetros.

      Indeed, you are right to characterize Rezene Habte as one of those ንገድሊ ይኽየድ’ሎ ኢሎም ዝጽምበሩ:: ሃይላት ሓንቲ ሓጻር ዕላል ከካፍለካ አፍቅደለይ:: ግዜኡ ኣብ መጀመርያ 1975 ብጉጅለ ተኣኪብና ናብ ገድሊ ንምጽባር ንጎዓዘሉ ዝነበርና ግዜ’ዩ:: ካብ ዓዲ ምነዛናይ ላዕላይ ዓንሰባ ተበጊስና ንባርካ ገጽና ንጓዓዝ ኢና ነይርና:: ኣብ ላዕላይ ባርካ እትርከብ መንሱራ ትባሃል ዓዲ (መደበር ፓሊስ ዝነበረት) ምስ በጻሕና: አዕሪፍና ክንምገብ ወሰና:: ቀቅድሜና ዝጓዓዙ ዝነበሩ ጉጅለ ኣብ መንጎኦም ፓሊስ ዘለዎም አብታ ዓዲ ጸነሑና:: ሰዓቱ ከባቢ ሓደ ድሕሪ ቀትሪ ይኸውን: ክልተ እዳካቻ ነፈርቲ መጺኤን ክዝምብያ ይጅምራ:: ሓደ ጠንቃም ፓሊስ ኡዚ ብረት ዝሓዘ ይትኩሰለን’ሞ እተን ነፈርቲ ከይተኮሳልና ይምለሳ ናብ ቦትኤን:: ደድሕሪኤን ክልተ F-5 መጽኤን ነታ ዓዲ ድኬታ የውጽእኣ:: እቲ ዓሪፍናሉ ዝነበርና ነቁጣ ፖሊስ ዝነበረ አጓዱ እዩ ነይሩ:: ኣብኡ ሓደ ቁራጽ ፊስቶ መዔቆር ማይ ስለዝነበረ: ኣብቲ ግዜ ምድብዳብ ሓደ መንእሰይ ካብታ ጉጅለና ነታ ፊስቶ ግምጢል ኣቢሉ ኣብኣ ክአቱ ይዝከረኒ:: ያኢ እታ ፊስቶ ካብ ጢይት ፈክረስ ከተድሕኖ:: እቲ ኾይኑ’ቲ ብደሓን ወጺእና ግን እቲ መንእሰይ “ገድሊ እምበር ገድሊ” ኢሉ ካብ መንሱራ ንዓዱ ተመሊስ ንሕናግን ጉዑዝና ናብ መደበር ታዕሊም ቀጸልና:: እሞ እንታይ ክብለካ እየ ዝደሊ ዘለኹ: ብዙሓት እዮም ዕላማ ናይቲ ቃልስን ክብደቱን ከይተገንዘቡ ዝሳተፋ:: So Rezene even if was not a conscious recruit, he had a nationalist flavor. I have no clue why all those years he didn’t know why he was there. But then for unprincipled people it is natural for them wobble with the wind of politics. መለለዪ ቃልሲ ዘየብሉ አይተቃላሳይን:: ብኡ መጠን ከአ ክብረቱን ማንነቱን የሔስር:: ኣብ ፓለቲክስ እትልለየሉ ቃልሲ ክህልወካ ናይ ግድን’ዩ:: But Rezene hasn’t::

      Regards

      • Haile S.

        Selam Emma,

        ምቁር ዕላል። እዳካቻ፡ እተን ብ propeller ዝሰርሓ ተረፍ ካልኣይ ውግእ ዓለም ዝነበራ ድየን። እወ እዝከራኒ ካን ኣስመራ እንዳበረራ ንዓዲ ንፋስ ርእሲ ምድሪ ገጸን ክነፍራ።

        ካብ ገድሊ ተመሊሱ ኢልካ ሓንቲ ሕቶ ዘላትኒ ኣዘኪርካኒ። ሃይለ(ስላሴ) ውልደስላሴ? (ኖት ሹር) ድሕሪ ብዙሕ ቃልሲ ኢዱ ሂቡ ኣብ 70ታት ኢዱ ሂቡ ዝኣተወ እዝከረካ እንተድኣ ኮይኑ፡ ኣብኡ (ትውልዶም ትግራይ ይሕመ ነይሩ) ካብ እቶም ኤርትራ ንኤርትራውያን ዝብሉ ዝነበሩ እዮም ኢሎም ነገሩ ኣጸቢቖም ዝፈልጡ ነገረኡኒ በቲ ሽዑ ጊዜ። እቶም ኣንድነት ናባላት “እዚ ብሮ ኢጣልያ እዩ እናበሉ የስተናዕቕዎም ነይሮም። እትፈልጦ ኣለካ ዶ?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,
          Yes, the war planes were the left over from the world war-II. I don’t remember the defection of Haile Woldeselassie nor do I know his background. May be, reading your question someone who knew him will come to answer your question, and most probably from the former fighters.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,
            Yes. Just an addendum, the man might have been from ሽመዣና።

            Let me also ask some knowledgeables the complete list of Eritrean delegates who went to Lake Success to be heard by the UN in the 50s. I hope SGJ or someone else comes confirming or correcting the name as well. The ሕክያ I was preparing to recount you was that this Pro-Eritrea father use to ride a mule wherever he goes and had a bodyguard with a gun (the Andnet guys use to call him his ባርያ) accompanying him. On the market place (ሹቕ) pro-Andnets use to call the man names ብሮ ኢጣልያ etc. And the bodyguard use to touch his gun, and the proud man use to tell him, ሰስ በላቶም ሃመማ እያቶም! And then he will address the people saying ክላክሰሰስ ከይደ ብለምጻእኹልኹም ቅሳነት ደቂስኩም ተሓድሩ እንኤኹም or something to that effect. Story told at least for the sake of knowing.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሃይላት
            ሕጂ ፋሕ ኢላትካ!
            “ክላክሰሰስ ከይደ ብለምጻእኹልኹም ቅሳነት ደቂስኩም ትሓድሩ እንኤኹም” ስመጃና ከምዚ ኢሎም ኣይዛረቡን.

          • Haile S.

            መጃንድሻ፡

            እንታይ ክገብር ኢልካኒ፡ ቀደም ብወጦጠይ ዝተመርክዎ ኣፈታሪኽ ኮይኑኒ። ኣብ ዘይውዓልክሉ ግና በቶም በሊሕ ዝኾኑ ጎረቤትናን ኣቦናን ዝተመሃርክዎ ሓወኛ ታሪኽ ኮይኑ፡ ገለ ገለ ነገራቱ ስለ ዝረሳዕክዎ እየ።
            ሽመዣና ክኾኑ ይኽእሉ ዝበልክዎ ምኽንያት ክኣ ብኣደማምጻ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ፡ ሰብ ኣስመራ ነቲ ኸባቢ ብዘፍላጥ ኩሉ ትግራይ ዝመስሎም ብዙሓት ስለዝነበሩ እየ። ከምዚ ኤማ ዝበሎ ከኣ፡ ሕጂ’ውን ዘግድሶም መሊኦም እዮም።
            ይቕሬታ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hailat,
            Just tried to correct you but no need for apology. It just that you didn’t know.
            You know what the problem of Eritreans is that we don’t each other that much. We pretend but the data shows otherwise.

            Also, according to Agazian leader, Any place south of Dubarwa & DekemHare is Agame nation 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahandsay,
            The swapping of land has nothing to do with Badume. The swapping of land has to do with the Irob (Erob) land of Tigray that are awarded to us and the Eritrean villages awarded to Ethiopia. I don’t see as to why the Eritrean government is refusing for swapping deal.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Emma,
            From what I used to hear as well, Isaya was so enraged by the popularity of Berhe TsaEda, hero of Naqfa.
            Heck, if his village is gone to the other side, his history will also be gone with him. The guy is so petty and even if that is the case, I wouldn’t be surprised.
            Another reason is to create havoc. He flourishes in chaotic environment.
            In summary; he hates Eritreans.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Shimezana and its surrounding: For some reason I don’t know, PFDJ and its supporter don’t care about that area and its people. For instance look to the border verdict, we have lost up to 12 Eritrean villages which Ethiopia is not claiming is no claiming them. PFDJites do not claim them as ours, even the villagers are resisting the outcome. The verdict do allow to make adjustment if both governments agree. Ethiopia is ready for that and government of Eritrea do not. Can you suggest some reasons behind it?

            regards

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Prof Emma,
            The reason for the war was Badme and the cruel devil guy at Adi-halo doesn’t give an iota as long as Badme is ours. Forget about those 12 villages around Tsorena [one of them was the village of Berhe TsaEda], he wouldn’t care if > 100 villages were given to Ethiopia.
            Heck, he is ready to give the whole Eritrea to Ethiopia, while we are chatting here.
            The reason for his NNNN, what can we say, they just seem to be [Animals who are not recognized by ministry of agriculture].

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Haile S.

          “ካብ ገድሊ ተመሊሱ ኢልካ ሓንቲ ሕቶ ዘላትኒ ኣዘኪርካኒ። ሃይለ(ስላሴ) ውልደስላሴ? (ኖት ሹር) ድሕሪ ብዙሕ ቃልሲ ኢዱ ሂቡ ኣብ 70ታት ኢዱ ሂቡ ዝኣተወ እዝከረካ እንተድኣ ኮይኑ፡ ኣብኡ (ትውልዶም ትግራይ ይሕመ ነይሩ) ካብ እቶም ኤርትራ ንኤርትራውያን ዝብሉ ዝነበሩ እዮም ኢሎም ነገሩ ኣጸቢቖም ዝፈልጡ ነገረኡኒ በቲ ሽዑ ጊዜ። እቶም ኣንድነት ናባላት “እዚ ብሮ ኢጣልያ እዩ እናበሉ የስተናዕቕዎም ነይሮም። እትፈልጦ ኣለካ ዶ?”

          ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ እምበር፡ ‘ዚ ትብሎ ዘለኻ ኣነ ይፈርጦ እየ። ቁሩብ ታሪኹ ክዕልለካ። ስሙ ሃይለ ወልደስላሰ ይበሃል። መቦቆል ዓዱ፡ በቲ ባዕሉ ኣብ ሬድዮ ኢትዮጵያ ዝበሎ ጸዓዘጋ እዩ መስለኒ። ካብቶም እንዳ-ዓበይቲ ዝባሃሉ ወለዲ እየ ተወሊደ እዩ ዝብል። ኣቡኡ – ኤርትራ ንኤትርራውያን፡ ወይ ምስ ንነጻነት ኤርትራ ዝድግፉ ሰልፍታት ስለ ዝነበሩ፡ ብኣባላት ማሕበር ኣንድነት ብዙሕ ከም ተሳቐዩ እዩ ዝሕብር። ሕጂ ናብቲ ኣነ ዝፈልጦ ታሪኹ ክኣቱ።

          ብ1974፡ ቅድሚ ውግእ ሕድ-ሕድ ወኪ-ዛግር፡ ካብ ሻዕብያ ሃዲሙ፡ ንውልቁ፡ ናብ ተሓኤ መጺእና። መራሕቲ ተሓኤ፡ ናቱ ካብ ሕዝባዊ ሓይልታት ንጀብሃ ምስላም ከም ዓቢ ነገር ወሲዶም፡ ኣብ መጽሄት “ገድሊ ህዝቦ ኤትራ” ትበሃል ዝነበረት ወርሓዊት መጽሄት ተሓኤ፡ ናቱ ቃለ-መሓትት (ሓጥያት ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት) ብዝርዝር ኣብ ትሓቲ “ዝወዓለ ይንገርካ፡ ዝተጋገየ ይምከርካ” ዝብል ኣርእስቲ ኣውጺኦሞ ይዝከረኒ።

          ሃኢለ ወልደስላሰ – ህዉኽ፡ ሓራቕ፡ ተባእሲ፡ ዓማጺ (violent); ሓሲቡን ኣስተውዒሉን ዘይዛረብ፡ ሰኽራም፡ ዘማዊ ዓይነት ሰብ እዩ ነሩ። ድሕሪ ብዙሕ ናይ መደብ ላዕልን ታሕትን፡ ኣብ ክፍሊ ሓለዋ ጸጥታ ተሓኤ ተመዲቡ፡ ብጭካነ፡ ብዙሓት ተጋደልቲ፡ ፋሉል ተባሂሎም ዝተኣስሩ፡ ከም ዝቐጥቀጠን ዘሳቐየን እየ ዝፍለጥ ነሩ።

          እብ መጨረሽታ፡ ኣብ ከባቢ 1979 እዩ ‘መስለኒ፡ ንሓደ ብምንቅስቓስ ናይ በዓስ ወይ ጅሃድ (ሓዲኡ) ዝተኣስረ ኣብ ግዜ መርመራ ይቐትል ‘ሞ፡ ብዡሕ ሕቶታት መ ተላዕለ፡ ብስራሕ ኣመኽንዩ ሱዳን እትዩ፡ ኣብ ሱዳን ንናይ ኢትዮጵያ ኢምባሲ ኢዱ ሂቡ። ዝተረፈ ናይ ሬድዩ ዘራብኡን፡ ታሪኽ ሂወቱን፡ ኣመዋውታኡን ኩሉ ዝፈልጦ እዩ።

          I hope that helps

          ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሰመረ፡

            የቐንየለይ። ኩሉ ሓቅኻ። ምስኣተወ፡ ንኣዲስ ኣበባ መጺኡ፡ ኣብኡ በዚ ዝበልካዮ ሕማቕ ጠባያት ዝተፈልጠ እዩ ነይሩ። ኣነ ኣብኡ ከለኹ ኣብ መርዓ ወይ ባር ዘመደይ፡ ሃይለ ማለት እቲ ትሪኦ እዩ ኢሉ ከመልክተለይ ይፍለጠኒ።
            እቲ ብመልሲ ንኤማ ዘዕለልክዎ ብዛዕባ ኣብኡ፡ ካብ ንኣብኡ ዝፈልጥዎም ዓቢ ሰብ ማሕበር ኣንድነት ዝነበሩ ዝተመሃርክዎ እዩ.
            Thank you again.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሰመረ,

            ደሓን እቶ! ለካስ እቲ ጨፍጫፊ ክንደይ ተጋደልቲ ዘሰንከለ’ዩ:: ኣንታ ከመይ ገይረ ረሲዔዮ? ዘገርም እዩ:: አነውን ብቁሩብ እኮ እየ ወጽኤያ: ዳርጋ ኣብ ኢዱ ወዲቀ ነይረ:: ካብ ካርቱም ብ ብድጉል ፋሉል ተኸሲሰ ንሜዳ ተጸዊዔ ኣትየ ነይረ:: ብጾተይ አይፋልካን እንዳበሉኒ እየ አትየ:: ኣብ ተሰነይ ተሓቢሩ አብታ ዝነበርክዋ ገዛ ምስ ካልኣዩ ዘካርያስ ዝበሃል ክመጹን: ኢብራሂም መሓመድ ዓሊ ሓላፊ ቤት ጽሕፈት ሕብረተ-ሰብኣዊ ደበኽ ኢሉ ክወስደንን አጋጣሚ እዩ ነይሩ:: እቲ ኾይኑ’ቲ ካብ ኣፍ ቶኽላ ወጺኤ: ዳግመ መደብ ተዋሂቡኒ: ንፓርት-ሱዳን ከይደ:: I think my memory is fading away. Thank you for refreshing my memory.

            አይይ! ገድሊ ገደል እንድዩ::

            Regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም ኣማንኤል ሕድራት

            እወ ግርም ኣአኻ፡ ምስ ዘካርያስ ብሓደ እዮም ኣብ ሞጎራይብ፡ ኣብ ክፍሊ መርመራ ሰብ ዘሳቕዩ ነሮም። ልክዕ ከማኻ – ብዙሓት ንዓይ ሓዊስካ – ብኸም ‘ዚ ናትካ ተመሳሳሊ ተመኩሮ ኢና ሓሊፍና። ዝኾነ ኮይኑ፡ ዕድለኛ ኢኻ ንዕኡ ሰጊርካ፡ ሎሚ ክትጸውየሉ ምብቃዕካ። ሕሰሞምን ሓሳረ-መከሮኦምን ክጸውዩሉ ዕድል ዘይረኸቡ ኣሻሓት እዮም።

            ውጻእ መዓት – እንቋዕ ሕጅውን ካብ ካልእ መዓት ወጺእካ፡ ኣብ ክትዕን ሕሉፍ ተዘክሮታትካ ምዝካርን ኣብቃዓካ።

            ሰሰናዩ ንዓኻ!

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            Thank you for sharing the story. I say, that is pretty messed up life. The guy probably was sick in his head where Psych Eval was off limits in Mieda, I presume.

            ኣነውን ብወገነይ ሰለስተ ጊዜ እየ ሰሊመ–መጀመርታ ኣብ English Major ኔረ ካብኡ ናብ Psychology Major ሰሊመ ድሕሪኡ ኣብ መጨረሽታ ናብ Biochemistry ሰሊመ! ሕጂውን ዕድመ ዳኣ አረኪባትኒ’ምበር ናብ Philosophy ድሕሪኡ ኻኣ ናብ Political Science ምሰለምኩ ኔረ: ኣመል ምስመግነዝ ይብሉ ለባማት ከምዚ ከማኻ።

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            1. – “ኣነውን ብወገነይ ሰለስተ ጊዜ እየ ሰሊመ–መጀመርታ ኣብ English Major ኔረ ካብኡ ናብ Psychology Major ሰሊመ ድሕሪኡ ኣብ መጨረሽታ ናብ Biochemistry ሰሊመ!”

            ኣታ ወዲ – ምስላም ማለት ይርዳኣካ ድዩ? ኣብ ትምህርቲ፡ ካብ ላዕሊ ንታሕቲ ‘ምበር፡ ካብ ታሕቲ ንላዕሊ ምስላም ዝበሃል ነገር የለን።

            Where is መሃንዲስ when you need him!

            2. – ” ኣመል ምስመግነዝ ይብሉ ለባማት ከምዚ ከማኻ”

            ትሕሾ ዳኣ፡ ክትበሃል እንዲኻ ደሊኻ – ግን ዕደኸ!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            ኣነስ በል ናብ ኣባ-ቐሺ ከየደ ንስሓ ኣትየ እየ፣ እንታይ እዩ ገበንካ ምስ በሉኒ፣ ሰለስተ ጊዜ ሰሊመ ኢለ ምስ ተናዘዝኩሎም፣ ፍትሓት ሂቦምኒ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሰመረ!
            ብሩኽ ቀዳም! ዶተረ ሰፈይፈይ የብዝሕ ኣሎ መስለኒ 🙂

            ድሕሪ ኣዋርሕ ነዚ ሰለማዊ ውቅያኖስ ከምንደገና ክላለዮ ወጺአ ጸኒሐ። ከይተረደኣኒ ሰዓታት ኮፍ ኣይብለልካን። ወረ ዋላ ትሕብሩ ተቐይሩኒ።
            ዶተረ ሕጂውን ከይቅየረ ኣይተርፍን ኮንፍዩዝ ዝኾነ ሰብ ባዮኬምስትሪ የጽንዕ።
            ናብ ሓደ በል ዶተረ። ወይ ባዮ ወይ ድማ ኬምስትሪ። ቅጫን ጣይታን ዶ ብሓንሳብ ይስንከት ዩ?
            ተዝደሊ ኣነውን ዶተረ ምስኮንኩ ኔረ። ባቃ! ከምዛ ዝብለኩም።
            ቅንኢ ዘይገብሮ ‘ብሉን። ‘ንታይ ክንገብር ‘ልኩምና። ግን ዘይቀንእ ኣይወለድ ኢሎም ክቡራት ወለድና!
            ሰብ ዝፈኾሰ ከተጽንዕ ትጓየ: ዶተረ ድማ ንበይኑ በንጻሩ ይጓዓዝ።

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ታህዲድ ፍርቂ ሓይሊ ይብሉ ኣዝማሪኖታት ሰዴኖታት ከምዚ ከማኻ፣ እታ ምስላም ትብል ቃል ኬፍ ስለዝሃበትኒ እየ እታ CV ሰኒዐያ’ምበር ሓውኻ ምስሓንቲ ዓውደ መጽናዕቲ እየ ከንደይ ዓመት ሓገግ ኢለ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            ዓቕሚ ዝሰኣነ ሰብ ታህዲድ የብዝሕ።
            ሓውኻ ማትሪክ ስጋምቤቲ ምስቀለዐትኒ ስጋብ ሕጂ ሕርቃነይ ኣይወጸን።
            ነቶም ዓጠምጠም ኣቢሎማ ዝሓለፉ መማህርተይ ድማ ብዕድል ከምዝሓለፉ ጌረ ይወስዶም።
            ኢለካ ‘ኳ ቅንኢ ‘ዩ።
            እሳ ኴና ዓቕምና: ሸለል በለና 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ንዓይ’ዳኣ ማትሪክ ክልተ ጊዜ’እንድያ ጌራትለይ እታ ካልአይቲ ኤክስተንሽን ተማሂረ እየ ፈቲነያ ግን ሓውኻ ፋዘረይ ብጓሂ ጥብ ከይትብል ፈሪሐ ነታ 1.4 ትብል ናብ 3.4 ቀይረ ሓለፈ ኢለ ኣርኤያ፣ ወደይ ብዱግሪ ሓሊፉ ኢላ ከየረከሰትኒ’ኸላ ንወጻኢ ተማላጠጥ ጌረላ ‘በለካ::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            ምስ ሓንቲ ጽብቕቲ ጓል ሾንኮለል ትብል ኔርካ ማለት ‘ዩ 🙂
            ዝኾነ ኴኑ ውሑዳት ሰባት ዝበጽሕዎ በጺሕካ።

            ኣብ ሓደ ውራይ ኬድና ሰለስተ ዘይንፋልጥ ኮፍ ኣቢሎምና። ኣብ ጥቓይ በጋጣሚ ብዕላል ዕላል ሓደ ባዮ-ኬም ዘጽነዐ ኮፍ ይብል። ብጣዕሚ ምቕሉል ሰብ።

            ደሓር ናይ ወዲ ትኹል ደርፊ ምስ መጸት ክስዕስዕ ይትስእ
            ሽዑኡ ምስኡ ኮፍ ኢላ ዝነበረት ሰብ: ‘ዚ ወዲ ትፈልጦ ዶ ትብለኒ።
            ከም ዘይፈልጦ ምስ ነገርክዋ በል ኣብ ሳንታ-ፋሚልያ ዝለዓለ ነጥቢ ሰቒሉ ኣብ ኣሜሪካ ድማ ፒኤችዲ ኣለዎ። ናይ ሳንታ-ፋሚልያ ረከርድ ስጋብ ሕጂ
            ዝሰብራ ተሳኢኑ ትብለኒ።

            ኣብ ዓዋተ ምስ መጻኹ: ዶተረ ‘ዛ ሰብኣይ ዝረኽብኩዋ ክትከውን ኣለዋ ክብል ጀሚረ።ሕጂ ምስበልካኒ ነገር ፋሕ ኢላ።
            ግን ከኣ ኣብ ካልኣይ ግዜ [ዓወት ንሓፋሽ] ጌርካያ።
            ዋይ ኣነ ብላሽ!

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            That is so funny. You’re killing me here.

            በቐዳማይ ትዝክር ተኾንካ ክዛረብ ከለኹ ዲፌቶ ኣለኒ ኢለካ ኔረ ማለት ሰባት ጽላል ሒዞም እዮም ዝዛረቡኒ ምኽንያቱ ክዛረብ ከለኹ ብዙሕ ጥፍጣፍ ናብ ኩሉ ወገን ስለዘንጥር፣ ብሰንኪ እዚ ድፌቶ’ዚ ቺክስ ብማዕዶ እየን ሰላም ዝብላኒ ኔረን ጋና ዓለም ብኮሮና ከይተራሓሓቐት ከላ።

            ናብዚ ዓዲ ምስ መጻኹ እዛ ፈተና ጌርካ ምስ መሬት ምፍላጥ ማለት ምትራፍ ምግዳፍ ኣብያትኒ ክሳዕ እታ “ኤፍ” ትብል ፊደል ንዓይ ምርኣይ ዝስልችዋ ማለት’ዩ። ሓደ ምዕልቲ’ብለካ ናብ ሓኪም ከይደልካ ናይ ምትራፍ ሽግረይ ክነግሮ፣ ሽዕዑ እቲ ሓኪም ከምዚ ዓይነት ምትራፍ ትምህርቲ ርእየ ስለዘይፈልጥ፣ ምናልባሽ ካልእ ነገር ከይከውን ኢሉ ራጂ ናይ ርእሲ ግበር ኢሉኒ፣ ዳሓር ምስተመለስክዎ፣ ሓንቲ ቪተ ኣብ ርእስኻ ዘሊቓ’ላ እሞ ከነስጥማ ይብለኒ፣ ኣነ ሓውኻ ጽቡቕ ኣሎ ሕማቕ ኣሎ ኢለ ኩሉ ጊዜ ካቻቪተ ካብ ጁባይ ስለዘይፈሊ፣ ሽዑንሽዑ በታ ካቻቪተ ጌሩ ነታ ዘሊቓ ዝነበረት ቪተ ኣስጢሙለይ እብለካ፣ ዳሓር ብትምህርቲ ዝኽእለኒ ሰብ ተሳኢኑ፣ ነዛ ባዮኬምስትሪ ከም ማስቲካ ክሓያይኻ ጀሚረ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ:
            ኣየዘንጋዕካንን ሎሚ። መስተ ዋላ መግቢ ኣብ ጣውላ ኮፍ ኣቢለ’የ ዘንብብ ዘለኹ።ንስኻን ሃይላትን ሰርኒቕኩም ክትቀትሉኒ?

            ‘ሞ ኣነ ደኣ ክንደይ ብሎኒታት ሞሊቕኒ ሎም ማለት ‘ዩ? ዘይምፍላጥ ሕሱም።
            ሰኑይ ንዳክተረይ ጭር ምባል ‘ዩ።

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ዓዋቲስታስ እዘን ኣወዳት ዓዊጀን ክብሉና እዮም።

            It is so funny though, I feel like I know you in person. Really! Maybe we do know each other. Seriously.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            It is highly possible.

  • In peace,
    https://SeberAngle.wordpress.com

    Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….
    The way of ruling the hypothetical country by the name of Eritrea. It got that state, twenty nine years today. It is a country that demised before it was born. You are welcome to name it as you wish.

    The since ruler, tyrant Isaias Afwerki, the almighty president, enthroned by the negatively established old oppositions of him, from Eritrea, initially unhappy that he would install a Christian state. His surmise led him to conclude that Eritrea is a non-entity that would go no where. True to itself, it went no where. I say, it will go nowhere, leading me to glean, it should return back to Ethiopia. Some thing where I agree with Isaias Afwerki, never the less both of us coming from completely different doors.

    As I continually stated, the intelligence of Isaias Afwerki, his superior intelligence did not only cordone the old oppositions but systematically, those that grew with him, those that worked with him, those that fought with him during the war of independence, those that ruled alongside him when Eritrea became independent. Most of them either dead or in incarceration as we speak.

    That standing, Isaias seeing the country is non viable, he came up with a simple moto that went like this, “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”. Of course, all wars were instituted by Eritrea.

    Eritrea became independent to engage in war with Yemen on Islands that were rewarded to Yemen. The small Djibouti was the other victim, complaining about boarder. Follows Sudan, another skirmish with another but better dictator. The real scrimmage was Ethiopia with lengthy story to tell. It is viable to remember Eritrea was a province of Ethiopia, the rules that took over Ethiopia alongside the independence of Eritrea were the Tigray state entity. In my view, the Tigray rebels while working in tandem with the group in Eritrea EPLF under Isaias Afwerki, they whole heartedly knew they could not rule Ethiopia alongside Isaias Afwerki, who would only ask to be at the helm as the head. So it looked sustainable to allow Eritrea to become independent.

    The indignant Isaias Afwerki, in his list of dispenses was Badme. Strangly, the issue of Badme was raised by the blundering, with the no good oppositions, that it should be part of Eritrea during the gorilla wars when Isaias Afwerki shut them up. It is that card that Isaias Afwerki raised to kick off a war. Eritrea then, was bitten black and blue only to be saved by the late Meles Zenawi, himself half Eritrean, the then Prime Minister of Ethiopia who called back the army from taking over Asmara.

    The grudge sawed the big heart of Isaias Afwerki that became unhealable wound to his ego. It is only a small price to pay if the people of Eritrea suffer to heal his wounds.
    I thought the pandemic here today, Corona Virus would be a part of the play moto to Isaias Afwerki, that being “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”. Obviously Corona Virus failed on the technique play of Isaias, it will not be the play, it is not good enough, that is when I started watching EriTV, that I felt there is another go with the Tigray entity in Ethiopia.

    Eritrea became independent to engage in war with Yemen on Islands that were rewarded to Yemen. The small Djibouti was the other victim, complaining about boarder. Follows Sudan, another skirmish with another but better dictator. The real scrimmage was Ethiopia with lengthy story to tell. It is viable to remember Eritrea was a province of Ethiopia, the rules that took over Ethiopia alongside the independence of Eritrea were the Tigray state entity. In my view, the Tigray rebels while working in tandem with the group in Eritrea EPLF under Isaias Afwerki, they whole heartedly knew they could not rule Ethiopia alongside Isaias Afwerki, who would only ask to be at the helm as the head. So it looked sustainable to allow Eritrea to become independent.

    The indignant Isaias Afwerki, in his list of dispenses was Badme. Strangly, the issue of Badme was raised by the blundering, with the no good oppositions, that it should be part of Eritrea during the gorilla wars when Isaias Afwerki shut them up. It is that card that Isaias Afwerki raised to kick off a war. Eritrea then, was bitten black and blue only to be saved by the late Meles Zenawi, himself half Eritrean, the then Prime Minister of Ethiopia who called back the army from taking over Asmara.

    As I claimed since the beginning of June 2020, I noticed the programmed aired in the child toy of Isaias Afwerki EriTV, I felt the messages sent by the programmes of war and sacrifices was in the intention to start a war with the Tigrai state of Ethiopia in conspiracy with, as I call him, the King wannabe Prime Minister of Ethiopia, Abiy Ahmed.
    Once again the sophistication of Isaias Afwerki bit my in my new game, he chose to start a war with Yemen instead.

    He needs an absolving circumstance, that going back to our title, “Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….”.

    Don’t ask for Democracy or Constitution, dammit.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello The Awate Editorial Team:

    While expressing my staunch solidarity with my Eri Afaris, I thought the Team would have considered the politics of this so called Human Rights Report !
    I don’t think this unfortunate practice of the PFDJ Gov is new or limited to our Red Sea Eri Afars but a wide spread practice.
    The well informed Mokie gave us ample evidence about the political aspect of it.
    The TPLF has been overtly and covertly involved in destabilizing our Afar Red Sea thru RSADO and it even has openly declared to incorporate our Afari area of Denkalia and Kunama areas to realize/materialize its Abay Tigrai and Old Axumite Empire day dream.
    I found it very amusing to ignore this factual aspect of the dirty politics of our Eri Afari business!
    While fully I owning better than most of us,you deliberately skipped the well documented clandestine operations and the destabilizing role of the TPLF thru and in the name of RSADO and our Afari….

    • A.Osman

      Selam Sultan,

      The dilemma we have is that when we hear of such crisis, we can’t even oblige with a humanitarian assistance to alleviate their pain. There is no point pointing fingers at Woyane, Eritrea/PFDJ has to take responsibility for what its internal problems.

      Lets assume all opposition are Weyane sell out for argument sake, can PFDJ supporters go to Dankalia or any other part of Eritrea to carry out humanitarian works and help their people in need?

      Don’t you see many are departing from believing in Eritrea as a nation, as they are frustrated with the self inflicted suffering by DIA and his minions.

      What will you do, if the Afars like the Agazians depart from believing in Eritrea for you put your head under the sand while blaming Weyane and not shouting at our own dictator who is the cause of all the suffering. Eritrea was formed to serve the best interest of its citizen, not to be a burden on them. When the burden reaches an intolerable point, even a stage that threatens the survival of its people, then expect anything.

      In your attempt to balance the blame, you are looking out of touch and one sided.

      Regards
      AOsman

  • Don’t ask for freedom. Don’t ask for development. Because, we are at war….
    check https://SeberAngle.wordpress.com

  • sara

    selamat all,…..heard the good news— and checked in only to say …..
    Greetings to Ato Amanuel and happy to hear he is fully recovered and back in the forum.
    nice day to all

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Hello all,
    The war monger DIA started another problem again.
    According to erena.org:
    “ሓይሊ ባሕሪ ኤርትራ፣ ኣብ ደሴታት ዙቑርን ሓኒሽን ናይ የመን፣ መጥቃዕቲ ኣካይዱ” ክብላ፣ ጋዜጣታት የመን ንኣዛዚ ሓለዋ ገማግም ባሕሪ ሜጀር ጀነራል ኻልድ ኣል ቓማሊ ብምጥቃስ ሓቢረን።

    እቲ ብረቡዕ 3 ሰነ ከምዝተኻየደ ዝተሓበረ መጥቃዕቲ፣ ብውሕዱ ብሰለስተ ጀላቡ ከምዝተፈጸመ’ዩ እቲ ምንጪ ዝጠቕስ።

    ክልተ ካብተን ናይ ኤርትራ ጀላቡ ክማረኻ እንከለዋ ብውሕዱ ሓንቲ ከምዝሃደመት ተሓቢሩ ኣሎ።

    ኣብ ለንደን እትሕተም ጋዜጣ ኣልቁዱስ ብወገና፣ ንኣፈኛ ሓይልታት ልፍንቲ ምዕራባዊ ገማግም ባሕሪ፣ ኮለነል ዋዳሕ ኣል ዱበይሽ ብምጥቃስ ኣብ ዘቕረበቶ ጸብጻብ፣ ጀላቡ ሓይሊ ባሕሪ ኤርትራ፣ ናብ ደሴታት የመን ድሕሪ ምጽግዐን፣ ኣርባዕተ የመናውያን ገፈፍቲ ዓሳ ክጨውያ’የን ፈቲነን።

    እንተኾነ፣ ክልተ ካብተን ጀላቡ ምስ ሸሞንተ ኣባላት ሓይሊ ባሕሪ ኤርትራ ድሕሪ ምትሓዘን፣ ክልተ ከምዝሃደማ እቲ ኮለነል ኣመልኪቱ።

  • Nitricc

    INTERESTING!! I wish you people tell us the history than getting obsessed with government. It seems to me, the Eritreans had equal power if not more than the Amara.

    These are three interesting personalities who had a role to play on the life of the Eritrean people long , long time ago. Ato Amanuel was the Governor General of Eritrea during the time of Weki Zagr meetings. General Goitom was the Police Commissioner and General Aman was the Chairman of the Derg. All three personalities were of Eritrean origin. General Goitom was trying to direct the traffic so the Eritreans could travel to Weki/ Zagr to mediate and visit between the Eplf and the Elf. The Ethiopian Army was about to use tanks and Army personnel to punish those who had made the trip to Weki/ Zagr on their way back to Asmara. General Goitom argued with the Army, that the issue was a police matter and that he wanted to try to resolve the issue peacefully. The Army insisted that it was taking place in an area that was declared in a stste of emergency. So Goitom complained to the Governor General, an excessively intelligent jurist, thay he could not resolve the matter without intervention from the Chairman of the Derg, General Aman Michael Andom. After a telephone conversation, General Aman made it to Asmara in an Air Force trining Jet, that made the trip in less than 20 minutes from Debre Zeit (Bishoftu). He was enraged against the Army commanders for their erratic position and made a determination that the Police will be handling the issue until everyone who had made the trip had returned back safely to Asmara. Consequently, the residents of Asmara who had never heard of General Aman started having second thoughts about the Army’s and Dergue’s actions during that time. There would have been a bllodbath. But General Aman saved the day with help from General Goitom and Ato Amanuel Andemicael. Ato Amanuel was a world respected jurist, for I saw one day Senator Robert Kennedy vvisiting Asmara on his way back from laying the foundations of the Kennedy Library in Addis Ababa and also back from a trip to South Africa. I heard Senator Kennedy call Ato Amanuel by his first name because they had been classmates at Harvard Law School. At that time Ato Amanuel was the Attorney General of Eritrea before he was prompted to the same position for the whole country in Addis Ababa by the Late emperor. This is a history making picture and should not be skipped easily.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Nitrickay,

      The reason we are obsessed with a government is, because it is evil by its nature. If it can help you to have a new perspective, I will leave you with Thomas Paine’s words of wisdom on government. And it is: “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country [and the people] from its government”.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Emma,

        Glad to see you back.

        I just want to add, Nitricc first and then Abi were the first people asking your whereabouts. Like they say “a friend is a friend in need” and they truly are your friends.

        Berhe

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Berhe,

          No matter our differences are, we are brothers first. I don’t have any doubt that they will ask my whereabouts. Thanks all for your concerns.

      • Hashela

        መርሓባ

        “አማኑኤል ሕድራት ከማይ ወዲ ገጠር
        እንቛዕ ብድሓን ወጻእካ ካብታ ወጠር
        ድሃይካ ሃበና ከይንጣራጠር”

        I posted this about 10 days ago

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Hashela,

          Yes I read it. Thank you brother.

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Dear Amanuel,

        So wonderful to have you back, brother! You have triumphed over this scary and deadly disease just as you had over other adversities earlier on in life such as the difficult years of your service in the armed struggle. One might view this event as marking your passage into yet another phase (or chapter) of your life during which, I hope and pray, you will finally see the realization in our country of the grand dreams of peace, freedom, justice and equality — national goals which you and many others like you have struggled for a lifetime to achieve. Welcome back and God Bless!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Yohannes,

          Thank you brother. I am glad to be back to Awate family.

    • Abi

      General
      Keep digging! You will learn a lot about the Prince and Princess of Eritreans during the king and Derg times.
      If I remember correctly Ato Amanuel Amdemichael was attorney general during the Derg days.
      We can’t possibly have enough time and space to list all the big shots Eritreans in this website.
      ደህናው ዘመን እንደዋዛ አለፈ…

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      This story above here, I know it very well from two or three different sources so it’s totally true.

      Next time you meet a person named Aman who is born around 1972-75 time, ask them what their name mean. Most likely they are named after General Andom.

      General Andom: Get this. He graduated from West Point Academy. He was fluent in Arabic, because I think he lived and studied in Sudan. He was proficient in Tigraina and Amharic as well. He led the Ethiopian army which participated in the Korean war, peace keeping in Congo as well as defeating the Somali Army which invaded Ethiopia. Under his command the Ethiopia military transformed to a modern army, among them where they start wearing army boots. He was very popular and very well respected with the army, that he had a falling with HS and made him to “freeze” because he disobeyed order when he invaded deep into Somalia replying the invading army.

      I don’t know what kind of role he played in the killing of Eritrean civilians during HS time or after he was over thrown.

      He was made a leader of the Derg when they removed HS, and he wanted to transfer power peacefully to the people. This was the main contention with the Derg I think.

      General Goitom was head of the Eritrean police I think at the time. I don’t now much about but I think the guy who runs “meskerm.net” is his son.

      Amanuel Andemichael: I think Emma may know about him very well but I know he is from a village were a lot of my cousins come from. My friend TseTse may have more info about him. But during the Derg he was one of the guy who drafted the “constitution” they were trying to implement at the last time.

      Back to the story of Wedi Zaghir,

      I know this story from two reliable source. The first person is someone I knew who was working with my father and who attended the event of “mediation between ELF/EPLF and the Derg”. The second person was a friend of my father who worked in the government at the time and who was one of the facilitators of the event. He wrote a book about it later, titled “እቲ ዝወዓለ ይንገር፡ ብ ደበሱ አበበ”. He wrote the book I think for the most part to tell the atrocities that followed in Eritrea after the event when General Andom was killed by the Derg, and accused of being collaborator.

      I am telling this story from a story that I heard when he was telling me.

      When General Aman made a call to end the conflict in Eritrea peacefully, he send delegates from all Eritrean religion leaders, government employee, elders to meet with the both fronts and let them know that there is new government and it wants to do things differently and want to end the conflict peacefully. He was committed to restore the federation in Eritrea, in short he message was “ኪድ ደቁኹም ንዑ እትዉ በሉዎም፡ ሰላም ኮይኑ እዩ፡፡” Go tell your sons/ daughters to come home and tell them it’s peace now. Eritrean liberation fronts responded to the peace call peacefully and they both attended the meetings. I can’t seem to find my book in the shelf but there is copies of the documents attached in the book.

      The people of Asmara went to weki zaghir in the thousands to attend and witness this peace negotiation, by car, by bas, by buggies, bicycles etc, but a huge number. The Millitary General at the time, went to open firewall and kill the people because according to them “የኤርትራ ህዝብ ሁሉ ወንቤደ ሆነ”. This exchange I think was the result of that, where General Goitom, head of police refused and called the Derg General Andom for order. General Andom flew to Asmara as was told, and he went to Forto (the fort where the minsitry of information is located and picked up his binoculars and saw the people coming back from a day witnessing the mediation. ጀነራል ዓንዶም አብ ፎርቶ ከይዱ፡ ሚኒኮሉኡ አልዒሉ እንተረአየ፡ኩላ ህዝቢ አስመራ ከይዳ ነይራ፡፡ ንጽባሒቱ፡ ንህዝቢ አስመራ አኪቡ አብ ችቸሮ ዘረባ አስመዓ፡፡ ዘረብኡ ምስ ወድኤ ድማ “ኢትዮጵያ ትቅደም፡ ኤርትራ ትቕደም” ኢሎ ወድኤ፡፡

      He called for the gathering of the Eritrean people in the sodium the next day and he made his speech. He told the people, this is the time to make your wish of achieving peace making it possible. And he ended his speech by saying “Ethiopia Tiqdem, Ertrea Tiqdem”.

      He then issued a curfew of 6 PM.

      Upon his return I think the Derg had a different idea and the ended up killing him accusing him of wanting to support the “Rebels”.

      That was the end of that, and as soon as he was killed, they Derg ended up killing all the ministers 60 or so I think) many Eritreans among them.

      Saleh Sabe, who was one of the leaders of the fronts at the time had an interview with AFP I think. When he was asked of the latest development “after killing of General Andom” and said, “it looks like the hard liners with in the Derg have taken control” and we don’t anticipate any peaceful end to our struggle.

      The rest is as they say history.

      P.S. Abi likes to read only one side of the story. He does not want to hear or read, the terror that was fallen in Asamara and Eritrea when the “ቀይ ሽብር ይፋፍም” and made the country a blood bath for all.

      Berhe

      • Paulos

        Selam Berhino,

        Many thanks for the detailed historical account. General Andom was an Eritrean icon and a gorgeous man who will always be an inspiration to all of us. Here is a rare footage in case if you haven’t seen it.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nq1t53doHn0

        • Abi

          Paul
          All the people you proudly mentioned above were/are and will always be Ethiopians.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            General Aman Andom was conscious about his Eritrean identity.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            Welcome to the so called “Ethiopian” world, ትምክህተኞች በተፈጥሯቸው ጥሩ ታሪክና ጥሩ ዝና ያለው ሰው ከሰሙ ኢትዮጵያዊ ነው ይሉታል፣ መጥፎ ታሪክና መጥፎ ምግባር ያለው ሰው ደግሞ ከሰሙ ከሌላ ብሄር/ጎሳ ያያይዙታል።

            For example: When they talk about Hawzen massacre they don’t say Derg did it, they will loudly tell you that Fisseha Desta order it or TPLF orchestrated it, because Fisseha Desta was from Adwa. They are the most evil groups I have ever seen.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samitl
            አሉላን ያፈራች አገር እንደአንተ አይነቱን ጭንጋፍ ታብቅል!
            አገር ሲያረጅ ጃርት ያፈራል የተባለው በትግራይ ደረሰ::

          • Abi

            Paul
            At least he was not confused about his identity:)

        • Teodros Alem

          selam paulos
          If aman is eritrean, why is he general in ethiopia army? why he joined the ethiopian army? u think he joined the army to sabotage? I mean if he believed he is eritrean, he suppose to be in sahel fighting the occupied army, not joining the occupied army?
          and before eprdf, ethnicity was irrelevant to any gov position, so at that time most people maybe don’t even know where he came from or don’t care where he is from. but for u guys, every thing is all about ethnicity, even when ethnicity were not a criteria.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Reread my comment. I said, he was conscious about his Eritrean identity.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            what is that indicating, “his eritrean identity”,u didn’t say eritrean identity.
            it is clear, u nixed up eprdf ethnicity poltics with the previous ethiopia.

          • Brhan

            Hello Tedros,
            This is a valid question. But your question should be directed to the KIng or his followers…The King used two policies in Eritrea..In the highland was divide and rule and in the low land was burn and destroy. The genereal was one of the Eritreans as Abi says ” cream of the creams” and they are many who reached the top gov’t positions during the King H S regime. So one Eritrean was enjoying the ” ክትፎ ..ጥብስ” and the other Eritrean of the low land was becoming “ጥብስ”
            So do not blame anyone but the King. Had he had a fair policy , “እማማ ኢትዮጲያ በመቶ ሸዎች የሚቆጠሩ የድሃ ልጆቿ በሳሕል ኣያልቁም ነበር።
            Did I answer your question. But if you need more info please do not hesitate to comment.
            مع السلامة

          • Teodros Alem

            selam brhan
            Brhan
            Forget ur divide, ur highland lowland, as far as i know they had one policy, where ever, who ever fight them they will fight , in all over ethiopia. there was no highland lowland or eri, gojam or harere. lowland eritrea r more closer to most ethiopians than highland ethiopia in religion, culture and race and so on.

          • Brhan

            Selam tedros
            As usual you are saying only “ዘራፍ ዘራፍ” When will you learn to discuss properly in this forum?

          • Teodros Alem

            brhan
            as usual u r lying and dividing eritrea for agazian, where do i say zerf zeraf

          • Brhan

            tedros
            Remember we are discussing on historiancal events and In discussing history ( G. Aman and the King) you can’t cherry pick but present it as is.
            Do you mean Agazian has also become history? I did not know.

          • Teodros Alem

            brhan
            ur lowland highland historical narrative is similar with agazian,
            the problem with u guys is u created false narratives and then u r trying to debate based on false historical narratives.
            I never wanted agazian to be dead , i always want agazian to be true.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Brhan,

            During my recovery from my illness, one of the books I read is: “Arguing with Zombies” a new book, by Paul Krugman, a noble prize winner in economics. Try to get it. It will help you how to select your counterparts in a debate engagement. By doing that, you don’t waste your time with people who don’t know the rule of engagement in a debate and who do not contribute ideas that enrich knowledge of the forumers.

            Regards

          • Brhan

            Thank you Ustaz (Prof) Amanuel,
            I will do. Also in this forum exprience I was able to acqiure some type of debate engagment that help to have a strategy and technique but defeitley the zombies will shade more light
            And again welcome back sir!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            Aman: I was away from my computer for few days. Glad to see you back. You were missed a lot; everybody was asking about you. Welcome home buddy!

            Semere Tesfai

          • A.Osman

            Welcome back Amanuel, looking forward to your engagement in this forum

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Which do you prefer being sick with corona or arguing with zombies? Be honest. Btw welcome back

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            I don’t have preference from a killer (corona) and a worthless human being (zombie). Who in his right mind will chose one from the other on your framed question? Thank you for welcoming me.

            regards

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Only an atheist would speak about worthlessness of human beings

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            ኧረ በስመአብ ይበሉ ጌታው!
            ከሞት አፋፍ የተመለሰ ሰው እንዲህ አይመፃደቅም:
            እግዚአብሔር ምህረቱን ያውርድልዎ::
            Snobbery has no cure, I guess.

          • Paulos

            Selam Brhan,

            The other day, I was watching a debate between Rezene Habte and Abdela Barole on this You-tube channel and it was extraordinary to say the least not only how the Eritrean political elite is divided in its interpretation of Eritrea’s recent and past history but it’s future prospects as well. I recognize that, it is rather a small sample to infer any conclusion of a valid outcome if any but it is a frightening foretold scenario about post-Isaias Eritrea. A reason one can as well argue why PFDJ sycophants are sticking with Isaias for he they say is holding the nation together when his cruel hand is seen with indifference.

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,

            It was a PR disaster for Rezene. He should have withdrawn from the debate after the first round. I cannot wait to get hold of his book. I have not read Tigrigna’s script for decades. Rezene is one of the few of his generations whom he called a spade by its name. It
            takes courage to admit mistakes and mishaps. My hat is off to him.

            First, they demonise YG, then followed by Bright Future, and now the giant of all, Rezene. Calling people who do not toe the line as Agazine, Tigrya-Tigrgni would not cut any more. If Ghedli has its narratives, it has to bring it to a table and win the hearts and minds of its audience. Thanks to a plain-level field, we can’t be muzzled anymore under the cover of unity and one-people.

          • Paulos

            David,

            And you say it was a PR disaster for Resend?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Why do you want him to withdraw after the first round? What kind of PR were you looking to save him from his disastrous debate? Debate require substance on issues rooted on principles. Unprincipled people start to wobble in the beginning of the debate and eventually fall apart making disappointed to their supporters.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I don’t know Abdela Barole, but I do know very well Rezene Habte in the struggle as well as here in the US. He was a member of EDM and lately was a member of DEMAHE, a splinter of EDM. Though I haven’t read his book, I listened his interview on Tigrai on line. The interview is full of lies pronounced from a renegade Eritrean who claimed as a reborn Tigrai-Tigrini-Ethiopian. So doctore, there is no extraordinary in him and his story without going to detail.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            General Andom may have had a different scenario and experience as well. I listened to his sister on the link Paulo provided and she said she is 91 years old, at the time of the upload the video, which make her 98 years old by now. If you subtruct 46 years (1974 when the General was killed), she would have been 52 years old then. He was 50 years old when he died as per (wiki) and he would have been 96 years old now. So it seems she is a couple of years older than him.

            In the interview she said, her and her siblings grew up outside. I think I read somewhere, when HSI was visiting Sudan, General Andom and his family waited at the airport with the dignitaries to visit them, I don’t know to what capacity, but they lived in Sudan. And it’s there where the king recognized him and he was recruited to the Ethiopia and end up sending him to study in America.

            I am just speculating all this…so what I am trying to say is, from General and his family, they seem to be very well connected to the King (she said she knew the king, assuming when he was in exile in England).

            What I am trying to say is, I think, the General and the others from highland who benefited by HS are and were considered themselves as Ethiopians and I am assuming.

            Having said that, I think the Derg and Mengistu HM coming to power was a cruel accident and it’s a lost hope for the people of Eritrea as well as Ethiopia.

            I think the peace initiative the General took with both ELF and EPLF would have been a better outcome for the people in the long term.

            I think we need to some how find a way to refine our future and come up with a vision in how we want to see Eritrea. We are being bombarded with this endless talks, on social media and it’s really affecting our physic. I don’t know who is to organize but we really need very focused “waEla” that will shape the future of our country post the Isayas regime.

            Yesterday I saw a clip of this guy, assuming he is Tigraway, and he is claiming that, because Alula was ruling Asmara, and was fighting Italians, Tigray have ownership of the whole Eritrea including the sea.

            Another guy was saying, they are only 1 million of them left in Eritrea including elders, women and children and it will be no match for the 12 million of Tigray to just walk over.

            I think they have the sense and there is a lot of propaganda that is being fed to them, they think they are invincible and Eritrea is just for grabs.

            The more I think about it, the more I get upset every day, that the suffering of our people is going for far too long and we don’t seem to see the end in sight.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Thanks Berhe for these important info and my only one point to clarify is that I am sick and tired of some people not only Ethiopians but also Eritreans who say Eritreans were good during King Haile S. because it was not, at least the lowland part of it.

          • Samuel

            Selam Brhan,
            There is no doubt that Ethiopian Kings were pro-Orthodox, definitely they have suppressed Muslims, no question about it. Their title tells you a lot, HS full official title was: “His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, King of Kings and Elect of God.”
            ትምክህተኛ ስምና ሙገሳ ይወዳል። Yesterday I said “ትምክህተኞች በተፈጥሯቸው ጥሩ ታሪክና ጥሩ ዝና ያለው ሰው ከሰሙ ኢትዮጵያዊ ነው ይሉታል::”
            If you look the title it says “Tribe of Judah”, Do you know why? Because የሰለሙን ታሪክና ዝና እንዳያመልጣቸው/እንዳይቀርባቸው ከሰለሙን ተወለድን ብለው በኣንድ ባህታዊ የውሸት ታሪክ ኣፃፉ። The rest is history. Read ክብረ ነገስት::

            However, when it comes to HS, religion wasn’t the only equation they had, for example in Tigray they had a different policy, they deliberately weaken and suppressed Tigray region in every aspect of development.
            • They stole many historical artifacts from Churches, Monasteries and Museums.
            • In 1958, there was a widespread famine in the Tigray province of northern Ethiopia. Despite this, Emperor Haile Selassie refused to send significant emergency food aid, resulting in the deaths of approximately 100,000 people. From Bahru Zewde book, “A History of Modern Ethiopia: 1855–1974”.
            • Air bombardment of Mekelle and Raya, thousands died.
            • No infrastructure
            • I can list many evil acts…..

            Tigray was/is about 97% Orthodox, it doesn’t mean that there weren’t few Tigrians who were benefited during HS, but as a society it was horrible suppression. When it comes to infrastructure they never built any factory, roads or hospitals, there were three schools in the whole Tigray. The road we had until the end of Derg was the road built by Italy during the five year occupation, sorry to say it.

            My point is religion wasn’t the only reason, they had other reasons as well. It is true that few highlanders were favored than the lowlanders, even it was true then that few highlanders were favored than south Tigrians. Its not because they had some special love to highlanders but they had bigger mission to accomplish. It started during Menelik, in a simple word they hate both sides of Tegaru because of the power balance (divide and rule), if they united they will rule the region (East Africa and beyond), it was as simple as that.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            Stop blabbering and start packing. Get out of mekele before ፈንቅል ሳይፈነቅልህ:: የወንድም ምክር ስማ:: እዛው ደደቢት ዋሻ ውስጥ አለት ስር እንደ ጊንጥ ተደበቅ::

          • Teodros Alem

            selam semuel
            3, simple corruption 1, 1/3 of the power in ethiopia was hold by orthodox church and the church influence the emperors, so the blame goes to mainly on “debtras”
            2, derg was the one dismantled the debtra system.
            3, on tigrai, mainly blame it on nature, i’m sorry to say this but sadly tigrai is a cursed land and most of the problems came from the cursedness and twisted behavior.
            4, the debtra system is gone for good and it will never come back again, so tell ur brothers to stop talking about habesha bla bla things and ” axumen keqeleh belaw”, which means cook and eat ur axume pathetic history as much as u want.

          • Hashela

            Samuel and others

            “The road we had until the end of Derg was the road built by Italy during the five year occupation…”

            Occasionally, I watch apolitical videos from Tigrai. There is a young youtuber who randomly asks people on the streets of Mekelle intriguing questions. One of his question was: “name an African country that was never colonized/occupied by outsiders (Europeans).

            The answer of several people was “Ethiopia”.

            Conflicted by the indoctrination of “3000 year fairy tale” (ጽውጽዋይ) and their factual knowledge of Ethiopia’s occupation by Italy, some pedestrians gave a nuanced answer.

            Now my question is: Contrary to the facts on the ground, how did Ethiopia convinced itself and others that it was never occupied?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam Hashela
            They build a road that connects mekele to shere under meles by federal gov finance, after completion a maximum 3 cars pass by the road.
            according to federal road agency , one of the main criteria to build a road is the economic importance and the amount of traffic on the road.
            I don’t know about tigraians but in other ethiopia, they mix up occupation with colonization.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            Most people don’t know Ethiopia was colonized by Eritrea until 1998.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Now understand why there were so many Ethiopians dressed in green and doing jobs in Eritrea, jobs that no Eritrean would do!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You need to elaborate a little more. I didn’t know there was a green uniform that people from different Eritrean colonies used.
            Of course, there are jobs the colonizers would never do. Are you kidding me!!! They had “ children of the lesser god” to serve them 24/7/365.
            Now that Eritrea lost all her colonies all over the world, who is doing those jobs designated for the green wearing Ethiopians?

          • Hashela

            Abi

            You guys are putting us in a societally awkward situation. We told you ‘you are free (of Eritrea) and go home’ and you are still knocking on our door!

          • Aligaz G

            Hashela,

            Please read the charter post of Awate website if you wonder why Ethiopians are here. But you are right in a sense that there are very few real Eritreans on display here. Let’s elevate the discourse and bring your countrymen in. What do you say wiseguy ?

          • Hashela

            Selam Ali

            I believe you misunderstood my post that was addressed to Abi who will explain to you, his time permitting. Abi’s and my exchange was not focusing on the presence of Ethiopians in this forum.

          • Aligaz G

            Hash,

            Ok I will wait for Abi to explain your complex thought process to me. You must be glad he’s on Awate. Right?

          • Hashela

            Good night, Ali!

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            የሃሸላ ንግግር ውስጠወይራ ነው::
            እባቡ አቢ ብቻ ነው የሱን ንግግር ቶሎ የሚረዳው:: ተመጣጣኝ የመልስ ምትም ተልኮለታል::
            አብሽር ነው! (አቢ ነው የሚሽረው)

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            ወዴት ወዴት ? እኮ ወዴት?
            ምን መሰለህ ጥለናችሁ ለመሄድ እኮ ልባችን አልጨክን ብሎን እኮ ነው የምናስቸግራችሁ::
            አየህ ክቡር ሃሸላ ቀደም ሲል ትገዙን በነበሩበት ዘመናት ለኛ ተገዥዎች ብቻ የተተው ተግባራት እንደነበሩ አንተው በማያሻማ መልክ ገልጸኸዋል::
            ለምሳሌ ማሰብ (thinking) , በራስ እግር መቆምና መራመድ, ማፍቀርና መዋለድ ለኛ ለኢትዮጵያውያን ብቻ የተተው በኤርትራውያን ዘንድ የተናቁና ዝቅተኛነትን ብቻ የሚያመላክቱ ተግባራት ነበሩ:: አሁን ታዲያ ጥለናችሁ ስንሄድ እንደቁልቋል ግንብ ስትፈራርሱ , በራሳችሁ እግር ቆማችሁ መሄድ አቅቷችሁ ስትንፈራፈሩ, መባዛት አቅቷችሁ እንደ ሻማ ስትቀልጡ ብናይ በእግራችሁ ልናቆማችሁ መጣን::

            ወፌ ቆመች, ወፌ ቆመች, ወፌ ቆመች
            አላፈረች አልደከመች!

            አይዟችሁ ሞክሩት ሳይወድቁ መቆምና መራመድ የለም::
            የማሰቡን ነገርማ, የማሰቡን ነገርማ , የማሰቡን ነገርማ… በል ተወዉ…እናንተን ሲያልፍም አይነካችሁ! እኛው እንደለመደብን …

          • Hashela

            Selam Abi

            I understand that the refusal to write in the language of the colonizers is a widespread form of resistance!! However, if you want that your grievance is registered and potentially acknowledged, please at least write in English.

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            I wasn’t involved in any of educational curriculum, but my view is:
            The Italians spent most of their time building infrastructure. They have built thousands of kilometres of roads linking most of the country.
            I would say they spent their time building the country, they haven’t settled yet. I don’t think they haven’t started changing land policy (may be some area) and imposing their interest. I would say occupation is the right term than colonization.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            You are right it turned into a failed occupation because of their short stay but their intention was to create a colony.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Hashela,

            The reason Ethiopians claim that they were not colonised is that in those 6 years, they were actively fighting, thus it may be seen as a brief occupation rather than full blown colonisation as you learn with other nations.

            The question that should be asked, was HS a hero in that struggle, as he run away to England for 6 years and only to return when the allied forced were advancing as he was shrewd politician and quick to realise that they could have had their own plan if he did not return in time.

            The way one can claim Eritrean independence would not have been achieved had USSR not collapsed, similarly if Mussolini did not did not joint Hitler in WW2, I don’t think Ethiopians would have rid of the Italians……

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Aligaz G

            A Osman,

            Was France a colony of Germany in WWII? Is de Gaulle considered to be a real hero by the French? Be consistent

          • Hashela

            Selam Ali

            The shame of France of having Hitler Germany occupying Paris was big. Haile can tell more
            I think Ethiopia successful covered the indignity of occupation under the carpet

          • Hashela

            Ahlen Osman

            Interesting perspective!

          • Paulos

            Selam A. Osman,

            Volumes have been written and debates exchanged ad nauseam about the King’s alleged cowardice when he left for exile. To my knowledge however, historians are in agreement with the strategic validity of his option to fight the Fascists from abroad. I for one certainly do not even pretend to be a historian so to speak but I agree with his decision.

            First of, his first choice was to stay back in his own country and fight but when the Italians were unstoppable and advancing faster than previously thought, it was the King’s close advisors who talked him into leaving for they reasoned that, leaving would deny the enemy a total victory for if they capture him the morale of the people could and would be broken. Moreover, the Fascists could force him to sign and make concessions that could have detrimental consequences if they came out victors in the greater scheme of events.

            Again, history tells us a complete contrast to what the enemies of the King dished out about his alleged cowardice character. For instance, when Churchill met him while the King was in exile, his first impression was that, he had a steeled character with a fierce determination and sense of mission as well. And it was precisely for that reason that he believed in him to the extent of directing General Wingate to attack the Fascists from Sudan alongside the King. And the King delivered so was Churchill vindicated for other racist Brits were condescending as in Anthony Eden toward the King.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are absolutely right on this topic.
            ፀሐዩ ንጉሥ ካገራቸው ወጥተው መሰደዳቸው ፈሪ የሚያስብላቸው ከሆነ ይህ ሁሉ ኤርትራዊ የኢንተርኔት ተኳሽ ለምን ወደ ኤርትራ ተመልሶ ጀግንነቱን አያሳየንም:: ይህ ሁሉ የኢንተርኔት justice seeker ( ፍትህ አላሚ) ምን ሊባል ነው?

          • A.Osman

            Selam Paulos,

            Good that much is written, I shall read more on that as I much to learn about it.

            My reasoning was on the simple premise that Ethiopians point out. They were fearless in fighting Italy, unlike Eritreans 🙂 and I assume they would have carried on fighting regardless of HS.

            What I noted reading his biography on how he took the throne, how he sustained power and his delusional disbelief when deposed (some may claim old age), the sense of his imperial majesty……he would not have fought a battle to defend Ethiopia. He was lucky the Italians screwed up, otherwise life in exile would have been his fate.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            You know what the kings says when he come back from exile after witnessing how much roads, and a lot of things they build “we should have stayed longer in exile”:).

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Hello Samuel,

            Thanks for your input.
            It sad what happened in Tigray by the King but it was worse in the in low lands of Eritrea: The King’s policy was burn and destory and this was done not only by Ethiopian soldiers but also by soldier who came from the high land area trained by Israel called “Commandis”!
            There are some Ethiopians as well as Eritreans who give blind eye to this historical events. My effort is that they recongize that part of history and work it will never happen in the future.

          • Samuel

            Selam Brhan,
            I agree with you, we should recognize wrongdoings of the past and work it will never happen in the future.

            Thanks,

          • David Samson

            Selam Samuel,

            “The road we had until the end of Derg was the road built by Italy during the five-year occupation, sorry to say it.”

            I know you live in the west but imagine for a second that you live in Italia. You walk on the street of Roma built by the Italians for the Italians and behave perfectly sane. In a foreign land, you brag how proud Ethiopian you are. However, the same roads built by the Italians for Italians but on back of your yard makes you shameful and feel undignified. I call these syndromes as “False pride and Empty bravados”.

          • Samuel

            Selam David,
            I think you misunderstood that part of my message, when I said “sorry to say it” I meant to those Ethiopians who brag about Menelik, HS and Derg. What I am saying is when it comes to “Development” Italy has done more than what the HS and Derg did, it’s a fact. When it comes to “Development” I am thankful to what Italy built in Tigray and beyond. Politics is about interest, if HS and Derg were killing and oppressing our people why do I have to appreciate them? Just because I am Ethiopian it doesn’t mean I have to hide the wrongdoings of HS, Hell NO, I can’t do that. I rather be honest than pretend and hide myself around the “Ethiopia wasn’t colonized” narrative. I am not that kind of Ethiopian. There is no question that I am proud Ethiopian and proud Tigraway.

            Note that when I say “Ethiopian” I am using it as citizen not Identity Ethiopian. Ethiopia isn’t a nation, it is a country. It is the home of Nation and Nationalities. There is no one identity called “ኢትዮጵያዊ”, there are many identities and one citizenship. Just FYI.

            The problem we have/had in Ethiopia was/is if you criticize HS and Derg for their wrongdoings you will be tagged as “against Ethiopia”, I am glad that that part of Ethiopia has been long gone, but it is still in the web. Ethiopia is the home of Nation and Nationalities.

            As Tegaru we paid the highest prices more than those who brag about “Ethiopia wasn’t colonized”, however I am realistic person, I don’t like to pretend, I have to speak the truth. If there was some kind of University, industry or hospitals that was built during HS and Derg in Tigray I would have said so, but there is NONE. If there was/is something that I don’t know then they can list and discuss about it, otherwise when it comes “Development” Italy has done more than HS and Derg did, plain and simple.

            My point above is the oppression of HS is the same as the oppression of Italy. If HS was working to destroy us as a community then what else can Italy do more than that? may be speak Italian? This is where some Ethiopians fail to understand. Yes, HS has done good things on the Africa and world stage, but our center of discussion is “internal development and oppression”.

            Don’t get me wrong, I am proud what our forefathers did to defend our land against any aggression, I rather have freedom than bread, that’s me as Tigraway. My culture and identity is more than anything else. If I was part of that generation I would have done the same.

            Remember this, HS and Derg were in power for about 57 years, however they haven’t done a single good in Tigray, thus I am telling to those chauvinist Ethiopians who brag about HS and Derg that there was nothing to brag about HS and Derg. I am just being real, I don’t want to cover it up. If anyone disagree with it they can bring their evidence.

            Sorry some of my response isn’t directed to your message, just general view of my stand.

            I hope this clarifies.

            Thanks,

          • Aligaz G

            Samuel,

            South Tigrians?

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            There was another video not sure where it disappeared where the same sister gives extensive [one on one] interview about their lives including about her other brother I believe his name was Meles who was also Ethiopian Ambassador to Egypt or somewhere in the Middle East. As you can see the Andoms were prominent family or you could say elite of the highest political and social echelon. That said however, one can not say that they were not conscious about their deeply rooted Eritrean identity. An identity fostered and cultivated through a life span of political experience. It is imperative to keep in mind that, Eritreans who came of age in the 30s didn’t have any knowledge or memory of Ethiopian rulers for they had been under Italian colony for forty years. The Andoms might have said they were Ethiopians in the general sense of the term but there was a distinct mind-set and identity that lurking underneath. And that was precisely the reason the rabid dog Megistu went after him.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            In other words u said ” the rabid dog mengestu went after andoms because the andoms were sabotaging ethiopianisim of the then policy of the country” , but in one of her interview, his sister said otherwise. So u want us to believe u or her.

          • Abi

            Paul
            See why I want to build the tallest wall between the two people?
            እግራችሁ እንጂ ልባችሁ ከኛ ጋር አልነበረም:: What you said regarding the Eritrean elite is also true to the general public.
            Karma is a what? የበሉበትን ወጭት መስበር ደግ አይደለም:: ውሎ አድሮ ለክፉ ይጥላል::
            Again, Eritreans suffered from the deadly disease called affluenza (ጥጋብ) during the Ethiopian rule.
            Only the visionary leader knew how to deal with Eritreans. በሩቁ !

            Build the Wall!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Your hope in humanity is not completely lost including in Eritreans. Here is your kind of man and your kind of champ–an “Eritrean” who lived and died as an Ethiopian through and through in every sense of the word.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_l20O984nfo&t=1080s

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bera
            andoms were living in sudan at the time of Italian and some of them born in sudan and when HS visted sudan they meet them and than brought them to ethiopia and. than they grow up close to the Royal family.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Berhe,

            It is good to cut down on listening the cacophony on social media, there is a of hot air and enough fuel to keep it going until people are out of the lockdown and get busy with the demands of life.

            The issue of Aman Andom feeling Ethiopian or Eritrean in this thread is neither here or there. He would have had both identities and I think the majority of Eritreans identified themselves as Ethiopians as we were under one nation. What makes a person a hero is his deed and contribution more than his sense of identity.

            The failure in the whole ordeal for Ethiopia to control Eritrea was due to the scorched earth policy implemented to drive the lowland population out and the final nail on the coffin was when Derg took action to kill Aman Andom. His death had a major implication on many Eritreans changing side and also Ethiopian approach in escalating the path to forced Union that made Eritreans more determined to seek independence.

            What is sad, we seem not to learn lessons from our recent History. Not that I follow Ethiopian politics closely, what I find puzzling, while we read some in Tigray wanting to leave Ethiopia, some Eritreans wanting to join Ethiopia. It seems, when we are distant we seem to miss each other and we are close we can’t stand each other, in marriage or divorce.

            Regards
            Aosman

          • Samuel

            Selam A.Osman,
            Regarding ” some in Tigray wanting to leave Ethiopia”, you right that there are few that are demanding independence, but most Tigreans are not for it, I would say more than 90%.
            We paid a lot for this country, thus we will do everything to make sure the country continues to the right direction. Yes we have false historical narratives out there, it needs to be corrected, other than that I think most Tegaru have great respect to the idea of Ethiopia the home of nation and nationalities. There are few elites who are trying to dismiss our contribution to the country, but in the end truth will prevail.

            Thanks,

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            How many, schools, clinics, hospitals, and roads did the king build in highland Eritrea, if he favoured them?

            You cannot say that the king favoured the highlanders because of the relative success of few individuals [mostly due to their hard work]. You are swallowing Abi’s faulty reasoning.

          • Brhan

            Hi Simon,
            I see you these days hiding your Islamophobic comments, I wonder if this has to do with Trump’s weakness.

            I and Abi discussed on policy…do you deny that the king had the policy of burn and destroy only in the low lands. Abi denied this. SO how can I swallow his faulty reasoning

          • Simon Kaleab

            Brhan,

            You swallowed Abi’s fallacy, Hook, Line and Sinker, for sure.

            Stay on topic. Do not divert by bringing Trump.

          • Brhan

            Simon,
            Your Islamophobic comments are archived in the forum. Your new episode is hidden.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Brhan,

            You are not able to counter my argument against your false claim of the king favouring highlanders.

            The best you can do is take shelter in a slogan.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Simon,

            This discussion reminds me of one I had with an Ethiopian colleague at work. He made such statement as Abi and others hold about Eritreans during HS reign. At first I countered by saying that HS did not favour Eritreans, I think it was after reading a history book about Ethiopia that I understood what he really meant.

            HS was basically bribing some notable men from the Unionist Party by giving them land and scholarship to their kids. At the same time Eritrean living in Addis Abeba were doing relatively well as they were relatively technically skilled. For an Ethiopian that saw the condition of Eritreans living in Addis, it was easy to conclude that Eritreans were favoured than the rest.

            When at the UN the viability of Eritrea was questioned, one of the counterargument that Ibrahim Sultan posed was that the Ethiopian delegation had a sizeable proportion of diplomats of Eritrean origin..or something to that nature. Eritreans were not short in proportion within the ruling class, but these were also not representative of the general condition of Eritrean living in Eritrea proper.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Brhan

            Simon
            I am debating with a. number of commentators ….scroll up and down arround this current forum…butnot with you until you give up your of anti Islam and Eritrean muslims. When I find you doing that we will debate, do not worry.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Brhan,

            So, according to you, saying that the king did not favour highlanders is ‘Islamophobic’.

            Try to search for a rational explanation.

          • Brhan

            Simon ,
            I respect all Eritreans equally.

          • Abi

            Simon
            I don’t know how many schools and hospitals the King helped establish in Eritrea. Long time ago an awatista mentioned about the number of schools opened just after Eritrea joined እናት አገር ከሙሉ ክብር ጥቅምና ግዴታዎች ጋር ..
            I know he helped establish numerous factories in and around Asmara. He basically opened the first of its kind industrial park in Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abi,
            A small interjection with apologies.

            1. The first industrial park was the work of the chamber of commerce whose membership had all the known merchants and industrialists in Eritrea–by the way, with the exception of a few, most were Italians. Haile Selassie had nothing to do with it, maybe he cut the ribbon, or Asrat Kassa his Enderassie.

            2. the only secondary school west of Asmara, that big chunk of the country, had one secondary school built in 1967, courtesy of the UN fund. I finished High School there. And yes, Haile Selassie cut the ribbon and named it Atzie Dawit. He deserves quite a credit for the ribbon and the naming 🙂

            3. That same year he declared scorched earth policy and many villages were razed to the ground, hundreds of people were killed, and thousands left Eritrea for safety in Sudanese refugee camps. They never returned and still live in sone 12 camps in sorry situation. that is why Eritreans remember Haile Selassie fondly, incase you wondered 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Was there a scorched earth policy towards Eritrea under HSI? And were troops randomly ethnic cleansing the low landers? Please elaborate.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Aligaz,
            Yes. The lowland countryside was burned and its people and animals killed. armies razed villages to the ground because they were systematically destroying the villages to deny the freedom fighters any support. Survivors either fled to the Sudan or if they could flocked to the towns and lived in squalid condition around the cities. dusk to down curfew was declared, most of us do not know what our towns look like at night. All our adult life was quarantine, long before Coronavirus.

            Of course, Abi would never understand this, he is always defensive and insensitive (eg. “It extremely difficult to open and run any kind of educational institutions if the residents are moving around.”) His view of my people is like that of a Frenj, that we never had towns, villages or settled life. But yes, it was bad.

            This could give you an idea, it is an eye witness account: http://awate.com/ona-nine-meter-shroud/

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Sorry for your trauma.

          • Paulos

            Selam Aya Saleh,

            It was a crime against humanity and equally what happened in Hawzien as well. The difference is however, the exponents of the Dergue regime insult the intelligence of the Hawzien people when they say, it was the Weyanes who perpetrated the crime as if the people do not have the mental faculty to distinguish. And that was precisely the reason the people revolted in the first place in the mid 70s when they were treated with contempt and were looked down to. Let us all work for a better world lest posterity relive the past.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            1-You and I discussed this topic in the past. Industrialization blossomed in Eritrea during the King’s reign.
            2- I’ve read a UNESCO article by Dr Fasil GebreKiros regarding the expansion of education in Eritrea during the King’s reign. I can’t find the document now. It has been more than 25 years since I read it. The title is “ Education in Post Colonial Africa “. His focus was Eritrea.
            I believe Ato Amanuel mentioned the expansion of education around Asmara after 1961. If not Ato Amanuel, another trustworthy person mentioned it.
            I don’t know much about Eritrean lowlands. It extremely difficult to open and run any kind of educational institutions if the residents are moving around.
            3- It is really sad there are three generations of Eritreans still in Sudan. I don’t want to say much because it is a sensitive issue.
            Although the policies and actions of the king was outrightly stupid, elf used to burn villages to agitate and recruit ጨጏር ዳንጋ on top of the young men and women who were snatched from their families by the freedom fighters. According to Semere Tesfai , if a family had three children, it was a must that family to give one child to the cause. May be people were running away from elf itself . I remember the debate between Hayat Adem and other big shots. She mentioned several villages that were burned by the same freedom fighters. which I don’t remember the names. Again, may be people were running from their burning homes caused by a “friendly fire “. One wonders…

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You are a story fabricator.

          • Abi

            Simon
            ታድያ ንጉሡ ሁሉንም ፋብሪካዎች ኤርትራ ውስጥ አቋቋሟቸው:: ለኔ የተረፈኝ ታሪክ መፈብረክ ቢሆን አትፍረድብኝ::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Teodros,

            Gonder – Gondere
            Gojjam – Gojjame
            Wollo – Wolloye
            Menz – Menze
            Tigray – Tigre
            Eritrea – Eritrawi

            I hope you grasp this.

          • Teodros Alem

            simon
            I don’t, maybe u can ask abi or admasse the “debtra” they know about false debtra history.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Paulos

          “General Andom was an Eritrean icon and a courageous man who will always be an inspiration to all of us.”

          1. – I beg to differ. The General was Ethiopian through and through. I don’t know his whole biography but he was raised in Sudan during his childhood years – most likely was educated there as well. All I know is he spoke Arabic fluently.

          2. – At the end of 1974 he came to Agordat; gathered the people of the town; started his speech with ብስምላህ ኣረሕማን እልረሒም; and spoke for a good hour or two about the Ethio-Eritrean issue – insinuating that he was sympathetic to their suffering, and promised them things will be handled differently in his administration – no concrete specifics.

          3. – In Kebessa, during the lull, before the Weki-Zagar ELF-EPLF (ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት) civil war, he sent some religious and elderly men from Asmara to the fronts. The objective of these religious and elderly men was to convince the fronts to lay down their arms, stop the bloodshed with Ethiopia, and to negotiate piece. I don’t remember all the details but the lay down your arms (weapons) is what stock into my mind – as it was unrealistic demand. And as far as the fronts (both ELF and EPLF) was concerned, it was dead on arrival.

          4. – I don’t believe for a second he stood for the Eritrean cause (independence). I don’t believe he even wanted to turn back the clock to 1952; Federation in its true spirit as was agreed upon.

          5. – It was transition period for him; he had a lot of losends to tighten; he needed time to consolidate his power; and using his Eritrean ancestry his real objective was to buy time.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            Context matters. Historical context that is. I came to know more about General Aman Mikael Andom who became an urban legend in his own right through a historical novel titled, “Riding the Whirlwind: An Ethiopian Story of Love and Revolution.” I run into the novel by accident when I was browsing around the library of my college in the early 90s when I was undergrad. To my knowledge, it was Professor Bereket Habteselassie’s first novel. He dedicated the book to General Aman for he was also the main protagonist or character in the novel. The author claims to had been best of friends with the late General that had spanned a life time.

            In the book, he would walk you through the lives and times of the General including his view on the Eritrean question as well. He was one among many who truly believed in a peaceful solution to the question simply because he was not only a battle hardened military man but a man with a deep sense of history as well. The King, Dergue including the latter leaders of the Front opted for a violent solution and here we are 50 years after the fact—a complete disaster! Perhaps, we should exercise prudence when we pass judgements on men and women of historical figures for facts not opinions matter.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            1. – “Professor Bereket Habteselassie claims to had been best of friends with the late General that had spanned a life time.”

            I don’t know about (their) “friendship that spanned a lifetime” but I read somewhere they where both in government services in Harar during Haileselassie time; and they were also both high ranking government officials during early Dergue years.

            2. – “In his first novel – Riding the Whirlwind – professor Bereket Habteselassie would walk you through the lives and times of General Aman Mikael Andom including his view on the Eritrean question as well.”

            First Professor Bereket Habtesellassie was high ranking Dergue official; and he was happy with his job and happy to serve Ethiopia in that capacity until he was threatened with his life (by Dergue). That’s when he contacted Tegadeltis to smuggle him out to save his life – which according to some it was a daring operation in itself.

            3. – “General Aman Mikael Andom was one among many who truly believed in a peaceful solution to the question of Eritrea simply because he was not only a battle hardened military man but a man with a deep sense of history as well.”

            A. – What is peaceful solution to you? Is it Eritrean full independence? Is it some kind of confederation? Is it going back (honoring) the 1952 Ethio-Eritrean Federal Agreement? Is it Regional Autonomy – which is above ጠቅላይ ግዛት and below federation? What exactly is the peaceful solution that the Fronts (ELF and EPLF) refused?

            B. – How do you prove that General Aman Mikael Andom was supporter of the Eritrean cause? Just because professor Bereket Habteselassie said so? Like I said before, professor Bereket Habteselassie probably wouldn’t have left Addis and joined Gedli if he hasn’t been threatened with his life. Therefore, had things worked-out well for them, neither General Aman Mikael Andom nor professor Bereket Habteselassie would’ve left their position in the Ethiopian government to join Ghedli – nor would’ve died in Menelik Palace for the Eritrean cause. That is my argument.
            Now prove me otherwise.

            4. – “The King, Dergue including the latter leaders of the Front (ELF and EPLF) opted for a violent solution and here we are 50 years after the fact—a complete disaster! Perhaps, we should exercise prudence when we pass judgements on men and women of historical figures for facts not opinions matter.

            A. – No buyer’s remorse – we’re happy with our sovereignty and independence.

            B. – There was never two choices; never – violence vs peaceful divorce. There was only one choice: 14ኛ ጠቅላይ ግዛት. If that is not good enough then ጥይት

            5. – “Perhaps, we should exercise prudence when we pass judgements on men and women of historical figures for facts not opinions matter.”

            Eritrea is a sovereign independent nation. There is no “perhaps” or “prudence” for next time. It’s done. Get over it!

            Semerte Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            ፕሮፌሰር በሬከት ንጉሱንም ደርግንም ኢሳያስንም በከፍተኛ ማዕረግ ጭራውን እየቆላ ያገለገለ ባለሁለት እግር የሳሎን ውሻ ነው::
            His wish is to see the two countries united before he departs እስከ ወዲያኛው::

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም ወንድም አማች

            “His (Bereket Habteselassie) wish is to see the two countries united before he departs እስከ ወዲያኛው”

            ኣይ ወንድም ኣማች…….
            ፕሮፈሰር ጳውሎስና ፕሮፈሰር በረከት ሃብተስላሴ፡ እግራቸው እንጂ ልባችሁ ከኛ ጋር ሆኖ ኣያውቅም።

            ገንዘብካ

            ወንድም ኣማች፡ በሳቅ እኮ ገደልከኝ

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            በኔ የደረሰ ደረሰብህ?
            አይዞህ ቻለው እንግዲህ ባገር የመጣ ነው::

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            You got to cut the good Professor some slack. He may had been an opportunist in his younger years but he has given all he got for Eritrea in his later years. Of curiosity, read if you haven’t already the lives and times of the 19th Century French diplomat and politician named Tallyrand. And you will see Bereket Habteselassie in him or the other way round.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            OK I will. Thanks

            Semere Tesfai

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሰብ ዱግሪ! [በዚሕኩም ‘ንዲኹም: ከመይ ሰስኑ]
            ሓንቲ ሓጻር ሕክያ
            ኣቦይ ብገለ ነገር ተጊጉ ናብ ‘ንዳባር የምርሐልኩም።
            ኮኛክ ምስ ቶኒክ [‘ዩ ዝበለነ መስለኒ] ንዳ ጨረመ:
            ሓደ በዓል ጽሩራ ኣብ ትባር ኣትዩ ሃላኽ ይፍጥረልኩም።

            ኣቦይ [ዶ ዋላስ ‘ቲ ኮኛክ] ተጊጋ ነዚ በዓል ጽሩራ ትሳፈዮ ‘ሞ ዝበዓል ጽሩራ ብኽሳዳ ኣንጠልጢሉ ይነዋንዋ።
            ምስ ኣቦይ ኮፍ ኢሉ ናይ ሲቪል ክዳን ተኸዲኑ ዝስቲ ዝነበረ: ነዚ በዓል ጽሩራ ብኽሳዱ ኣይሓንቆን። ባር ታዕታዕ ኮነት።

            በዓልቲ ባር
            ጀነራል ‘ንታይ ተረኽበ ምስ በለት ‘ዛ ገዛ ናብ ቤተ ክርስትያን ተቐየረት።
            ነቦይ ናብ ሓደ ቦታ ጽባሕ መጺኻ ትረኽበኒ ኢሉ ነዚ በዓል ጽሩራ ሒዝዎ ካብት ባር ወጸ።
            ኣቦይ ደንጺዋ መንደኣዩ ጀነራል በለት። ንነብሳ መሲልዋ። ክኛክ ርጉም።

            ብድሕሪኡ ምስ ኣቦይ ሓጻር ዕርክነት ጀመሩ። ናይ ነገር ፈጣሪ ዕድመ ናይ ጀነራል ኣማን ዓንዶም ኣብ ሓጸርቲ ኣዋርሕ ኣኽተመት።
            ኣቦይ ብዛዕባ ጀነራል ኣማን ዓንዶም የዕሊሉ ኣይጸግብን።
            ይቕሬታ ነቶም ብዛዕባ ጀነራል ኣማን ዓንዶም ዝተሃሰኹም።

          • Saleh Johar

            Mahandis,
            This is the shortest short-story I read in years. Brilliantly narrated, very carefully paced, and thrifty in words. If turned into a movie, this will be a five minute classic. Thank you

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you, Saleh!

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ንኣቶ ሰመረ ተስፋይ እቲ ጀነራል ኢሳያስ’ዩ ማለተይ እየ ኢልካ የሐክዮ’ምበር ምሉእ ምሸት ብምክታዕ ሕለትካ ከምሉቐካ እዩ.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ:
            ‘ንታይ ድዩ መስለካ?
            ፍልጠት በዚሕኩም። ሰመረ ብጻይኩም [እቶም {ሰለስተ ዓበይቲ ባጀላ} ዘለኩም] ኴኑ ዝስመዓኒ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            First thank you for your warm welcome. Now I have few questions on your comment:

            Do you know why the doctor was threatened by the Derg regime? Whatever pushes him to join, does it matter as to how he joined the struggle? Don’t you think that he had also the option to go back to US to work in the same world bank he use to work when he left Ethiopia during Haileselassie?

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Semere and Paulos,

            I think both of you are making an assumption which I don’t think it’s trule.

            Paulos said:

            “The King, Dergue including the latter leaders of the Front (ELF and EPLF) opted for a violent solution and here we are 50 years after the fact—a complete disaster!”

            I don’t think ELF/ EPLF opted for a violent solution, as it was clear in the document they signed and the meeting they held that they had no interest for peaceful end to the war. They were forced to defend and continue the war, when the Derg gave the ultimatum which was one of the contention with the General.

            What evidence is there to support it.
            1) There is a video of Saleh Sabbe talking about that.
            2) there is evidence and copy of the documents ELF/EPLF signed.

            Semere Said:

            “B. – There were never two choices; never – violence vs peaceful divorce. There was only one choice: 14ኛ ጠቅላይ ግዛት. If that is not good enough then ጥይት”

            You are making this up, sorry. Unless you were one of those who were negotiating the peace agreement, From Ethiopia/General point of view, I think it’s fair to assume that they would ask / start by asking the maximum they can get, because they will settle for less. This is negotiation 101, you have to ask from a point where you think you wanted the most. From EPLF/ ELF point of view also, they were probably asking total independence as a starting point.

            But at no time during the General time that he said, come home or you will get ጥይት. In fact, I don’t he lived long enough after he made the speech in Asmara, may be a couple of weeks.

            Off course no remorse but who is to say, that was the only solution.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            True but they [ELF and EPLF] fought against each other. Didn’t they? That is precisely a culture of violence that never gave a space or chance for a peaceful solution. That culture violence is still manifested in sovereign and independent Eritrea as well.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            That’s part of the unfortunate legacy but like all revolutions sometimes it happens. But that doesn’t mean, Eritreans were never for peaceful resolution. I think every time when the opportunities presented they were there.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I sure don’t mean to lecture you but your adoptive country Canada is a paragon of peaceful resolution and existence as well. As you know, the longest European war which is known as the “One Hundred Years War” was fought between Great Britain and France. And it is an extraordinary feat when Canada was able not only to reconcile both people who were products of ugly history but was able to creat a solid nation whose legacy is Civic Culture where any kind of difference in political discourse can be solved through dialogue. We learn and move on.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Paulos,

            I hope you do not mind my interjecting momentarily to try to jointly respond to aspects of several of your latest posts which I came across belatedly. Primarily, I want to just remind you that the ‘culture of violence’ that you speak of is the same culture which:

            – precipitated the eradication of TLF by the brutal military offensive of TPLF in Tigray in the 1970s,
            – has presently set various ethnic groups/Killils in Ethiopia flying at each other’s throats with potential for full-blown ethnic conflicts. And if — God forbid — hostilities escalate, they may end up engulfing the country in a multi-factional civil war.

            I agree with you that context matters. Context of history, that is. Perhaps we should exercise prudence when we pass judgements on societal experiences for it is a holistic view of history, not individual events of the past that should matter.

            Finally, your reference to Canada: Here, I believe objectivity ought to have counseled against the futility of venturing so far out in search of a standard only to find Canada whose cultural, social, historical, political and economic realities are as starkly contrasting as can be with those of our region.

            Thank you.

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Unfortunately nuance is not very popular but you are correct. It’s all water under the bridge anyway 50 yrs later

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            “ቀድሞ ነበር እንጂ መጥኖ መደቆስ
            አሁን ምን ያደርጋል ድስት ጥዶ ማልቀስ”
            ብሏል የየጁ አቀንቃኝ::

          • Selam Abi,

            የቆጡን ኣወርድ ብላ የብብትዋን ጣለች፣ Who said so?

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            አንቺ ምን ቸገረሽ ሁለት እናት አለሽ
            አንዷ ብትሞትብሽ ባንዷ ትምያለሽ

            እንደተባለው ነው

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            Are you saying the house always wins in Vegas? True dat

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            1. – “Off course no remorse but who is to say, that (independence) was the only solution.”

            Then what was the other solution? Please I need to know!

            2. – “Semere Said: “B. – There were never two choices; never – violence vs peaceful divorce. There was only one choice: 14ኛ ጠቅላይ ግዛት. If that is not good enough then ጥይት”

            You (Semere) are making this up, sorry. Unless you were one of those who were negotiating the peace agreement, From Ethiopia/General point of view, I think it’s fair to assume that they would ask / start by asking the maximum they can get, because they will settle for less. This is negotiation 101″

            Berhe: there were many negotiations between Dergue and the Eritrean fronts. But make no mistake: Dergue’s mantra to the last second was ቀይ ባህር፡ ለዘልኣለም የኢትዮጵያ ድንበር ሆኖ ይኖራል (ኣሉላ ኣባ-ነጋ)። Meaning: the Red Sea will always remain Ethiopia’s northern frontier (border).

            Berhe: If I understand you both (you and Paul), your argument is – the fronts (ELF and EPLF) insistence on national independence was wrong since it proven to be very costly – which strongly disagree.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere T.

            First I didn’t say this.

            ” If I understand you correctly (both Berhe and Paul), your argument is – the fronts (ELF and EPLF) insistence on national independence was wrong since it is proven to be very costly – which I strongly disagree.”

            I did not say the struggle for independence was wrong. But If Eritreans has other options, I think it’s natural to think that we would have taken a different path than the path we took. For example, had we success to restore the federation or held a referendum to decide our faith, I think that would have been different.

            Second point, you said “Berhe: there were many negotiations between Dergue and the Eritrean fronts”

            I am not talking about Derg, but I am talking about the time General Andom was in charge and what he wanted to do. If you can find it, there is a book about that and you can read all teh documents and make your own judgement. I did and I am convinced his intention was to end the conflict in a peaceful way. If that turn out to be, complete union, federation, confederation or total independence etc..it’s any body guess.

            As far as peace negotiation, Isayas Afeworki and EPLF were always for some sort of negotiation with the Derg. IA and EPLF met with Derg in East Germany, then in Kenya, then in Atlanta.

            He was even negotiating with Shaleqa Dawit when the army stages a coup and EPLF unilaterally declared ceasefire. It’s in Shaleqa Dawit book.

            And you can also heat the interview of Mesfin Hagos and what IA said in the meeting about staying with Ethiopia.

            Again I am not saying that was the better choice for Eritrean people, as I come to learn a lot more, independence is the best solution for both people and there is no regret.

            Based on our history from the time of Yohannes all the way to Melles, Ethiopian leaders and politicians should never TRUST with anything they agree or sign with.

            IT MEANS nothing and we should NEVER trust them. Not today, NOT tomorrow and NEVER.

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Selam Semere,

            The alternative that may have worked was recommended to HS, that’s to make Ethiopia a federal state, thus align all the other 13 region similar arrangement as Eritrea. The 1952 Constitution had already given him much say and power, but instead of being just a ruler, he was infatuated by his holy title and lost everything in the path to remain God elect on us all.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Selam A. Osman.
            Many things have been said about the ethio-eritrean federation, its dissolution and gedli. I will not forget one truth said by iSem a long time ago, that whether one liked it or not, one way or the other, gedli would have happened any way. Meaning, Eritrean elites wanted to have their own enclave and regional powers wanted it to happen for their own purposes. Therefore, it is good that ethiopians and eritreans are over it, and it is now their own business for the last three decades, whether they like it or not.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Horizon,

            Even if Eritrea had its independence from the get go, the feudal system in Ethiopia was not sustainable, by extension the point you made of what iSem said is valid. The king failed to see what was coming, while he could have moved from his feudal system, while maintaining an Ethiopia with Eritrea.

            That’s just an analysis, don’t misunderstand it as a buyers remorse….our future is as bright as yours….well we join you on gloom too.

            Seeing African nations form unions that work, in principle, should not be frowned upon. What Eritrean rejected was a forced union and one where they become subjects rather than partners (for some was becoming second citizens).

            This mentality of one group lording over the other was what led Eritrea to seek independence and it will be the Achilles heal for both countries in the future.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Selam A. Osman,

            In your previous post, you said, “…to make Ethiopia a federal state, thus align all the other 13 regions with similar arrangement as Eritrea.”. Do you believe that eritreans would have accepted becoming one of the 14 federal states in federated ethiopia? I am sure many eritreans in this forum will stand against such an arrangement with all their power. If a similar invitation is forwarded to eritrea today, they will not hesitate for a minute to dump it.
            True , one group lording over the other was the main Achilles heel in the politics of the time. Nevertheless, i doubt if eritreans who came with the mentality that they were more sophisticated, exceptional, superior, etc than the so-called feudal ethiopians had less of a superiority myth and less wish to lord over others, if they had the chance.
            Look at the ethiopian federation today. Can you say that it is a federation of equals? I really don’t think so? Otherwise, tplf wouldn’t have been deposed from power.
            Ethiopia and Eritrea may have common history, culture, tradition, etc, but they differ politically and economically. In my opinion, the last two are the main factors that define the relation of two aspiring countries. I am not sure, but maybe, the problem between the UK and Scotland could be similar to ours. Unless we accept that it is the economy that is most important, and democracy will have its ups and downs until it is perfected with time, expecting to start relations, for example, with perfect democracy that doesn’t exist on demand, will take both countries nowhere, and it is better if they do not try it, so as to avoid another disappointment.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Horizon,

            Do you believe that eritreans would have accepted becoming one of the 14 federal states in federated ethiopia

            Well the 1952 Constitution had federated Eritrea to Ethiopia and Eritrean had accepted/compromised to work and live under that arrangement. Not only that, it would have helped Ethiopia to move to such a progressive arrangement similar to that of UK.

            HS has two options, move on from the feudal system or resist by bringing Eritrea under the fold of his system. Haile.S has given us an insight why he decided to move quickly to undo the federal arrangement as it never made sense to me when HS had already a considerable power within Eritrea.

            The rest is History……

            as for now, a mad person would entertain political Union considering the current situation. I remember Y.G writing about a 5 or 6 decked problem in Eritrea to explain why we were doomed as a nation. From memory, I don’t think he proceeded to explain in detail, but it was clear he was shooting himself with his argument, as the same points would have been made about Ethiopia too. In short, we have enough on our plate, to want more headache to join a more complicated Ethiopia, likewise it is better for you to keep Eritrea at bay.

            When both countries find peace and tranquillity, economic cooperation is what will bring them closer.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Selam A. Osman,

            Historic narrations are brought from all directions in order to dig in heels in the old positions rather than to reconcile. I think that one of the reasons Professor T. N. was demeaned and demonized was that he dared to say that the annulling of the federation was also the demand of part of the Eritrean elites. If eritreans want to use the undoing of the federation as the reason for gedli and the final divorce, there is nothing one can do about it. At this point, it has rhetorical significance than a practical one.
            All our problems are man-made (rather elite-made), hence, they are difficult to solve. Natural problems are easier to solve, as for example, the Covid-19 virus. They either give as the solution themselves or human beings find one.
            In the case of the ethio-eritrean problem, a century will pass and yet they will not have found a solution, because it is man-made, which will remain a problem even if it is supposed to have been solved.
            The main problems for ethiopia today are the absence of internal stability/solidarity and that of the problem posed by a foreign power, Egypt. Ethiopia is trying to solve both problems, and there is a good chance that she will overcome both. On the other hand, the problems of Eritrea are a regime that is hurting the nation because it does nothing and it has brought economic stagnation, and secondly, the danger the country faces for its very existence from those who don’t see her as deserving to become an independent nation, but as part of a dreamland called agaziland, tigray-tigrini, and greater tigray. There were times when ethiopia was said to be the number one enemy of eritrea’s independence. One could see how easily things change. This last problem is as virulent as the virus unless understood and restrained in time. It aims at the very soul of eritrea.
            Identity politics on the fertile grounds of economic crisis is wreaking havoc in the west. Identity politics has been the cause of the misfortune of the people in our region for more than half a century and more. Peace and democracy seem to be tied to economic well-being, and the two countries should focus on their economic development, instead of wasting their energy on identity politics. Identity politics is the politics of backwardness and failure. We can’t feed our people with identity politics. It is the politics of the elites who want to enslave their people.

            Regards.

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            The “elites” claim they are fulfilling their duty as vanguard. The dictatorship of the masses etc. Btw you know you are a member of the elites?

          • Aligaz G.
            Socially, i could be included among the elites due to my place in society. Political elite, i don’t think i am, because i have never found myself near power to think that i am one of those who can decide on or change things to the benefit of my group. Political elites swear in the name of the masses only to use them for their own selfish ends. Commenting on this site doesn’t make me a political elite.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            If someone who is educated is debating on the politics of his nation he/she is politicking on the political discourse of his/her choice – and hence is classed as political elite. You don’t have to be in an organized political party or associated to political power or the quest for it to be a political elite. You are just doing the work of political elites here giving analysis, opinions, advocating the politics of your choice.

            Regards

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel,

            Absolutely!

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            It is so great to see you back.

            Your opinion is always appreciated. True, man is a political animal, and no one can avoid politics.

            Welcome again!

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            A diplomatic response to Amanuel. It is clear you are a natural politician.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Vet Semere:
            As usual, your arguments are EPIC and to the point, for the most part!

            But, hey,No one one is perfect.

            Prof Berekhet Habtesillasie is an Eritrean Giant Icon despite his weaknesses and alleged opportunist behavior/approaches!

            As Prof Aman Hidrat asked you or challenged you reasonably, the Good Prof has had no obligation to serve the EPLF and struggle for an Eritrean cause as a de facto Eritrean UN Ambassador / Rep during the Eritrean Struggle to the last minute, not to mention his effort to draft the first Eritrean Constitution despite his alleged bias towards helping PIA and supporting the Military Tribune in order to please PIA, which he publicly apologized for!

            Being one of the very few African Constitutional Law
            Experts / Intellectuals /Scholars and considering his relentless efforts and contributions for Pan Africanism,his alleged weaknesses and opportunist behavior are but negligible!

            Talk about relativity in life!
            Everything in life is but relative.
            As human beings,we all have weaknesses and are opportunists in one way or another.

            Talk abut the destructive role PIA has played against the National Interest of Eritrea and Eritreans!

            But,with all due respect Vet Semere,to my best knowledge and recall,I have never read or heard you criticizing PIA!

            To my best knowledge,Prof Dr Berekhet Habtesilassie has done but none / Nada , Zic,nothing against the national security interest of Eritrea and Eritreans!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Sultan M.G and Amanuel Hidrat

            1. – ” Do you know why the doctor was threatened by the Derg regime? Whatever pushes him (to join the Eritrean Revolution), does it matter as to how he joined the struggle? Amanuel Hidrat

            “As Prof Aman Hidrat asked you or challenged you reasonably, the Good Prof has had no obligation to serve the EPLF and struggle for the Eritrean cause.” Sultan M.G.

            A. – To Amanuel’s point: no; I don’t know why the Dergue threatened the good doctor with his life. And no; it doesn’t matter why, how, and when one joined the Eritrean Revolution. All that matters is joining the Eritrean Revolution, and contributing your part to the best of your ability.

            B. – To Sultan M.G’s point: no; the Good Professor didn’t have to serve in the EPLF organization and he didn’t have to struggle for the Eritrean cause. Like many Eritreans