Inform, Inspire, Embolden. Reconcile!

One More Nonagenarian Star 

His name is H. H. Abune Makarios, an inspiring and pious church leader. In 2009, His Holiness Pope Shenouda III, Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All of Africa on the Holy Apostolic See of St. Mark the Evangelist, assigned H. G. Abune Makarius to serve as bishop (overseer) of the North America Diocese of the Eritrean Orthodox Church.

Abune Makarios has always remained a true embodiment of his faith and preached peace, honesty and solid belief in God. By doing so, he has inspired many believers to examine their role as humans and as Eritreans.

A churchgoer said, “Every time Abune Mekarious take the podium, he brings a fresh and inspiring message.” His latest speech which we found on Youtube (courtesy if Simerr TV) is no different.

The video was recorded in Umea, Sweden and it is 2 hours long. The entire video is full of wisdom, humility and a message of peace and unity. We thought of translating the entire message but found the task to be gargantuan. Therefore, until someone takes the challenge and volunteers to translate it into English, we opted for a different way to get you to help by exerting little efforts.

The speech is full of quotable quotes; picking the insightful and wise quotes would be very beneficial to all of us. That is why we are announcing a competition to see who catches the best quotes from the 2-hour long video.

We encourage you to listen to it and catch quotes that you like and then post it on the forum under this page. We will continuously copy select quotes from what you post and add it to the content of this page. At the end, we will find a way to rank the best quotes. Any takers?

For a start, here is a quote we picked: “Religion came to us, we didn’t go to religion.”

That is apparently a message to those who think they have more ownership to Eritrea because they belong to one sect or another; Therefore, we were one people when the preachers came to us and our ancestors made different choices.

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  • Ismail AA

    Selam forumers,

    These days the forum is missing Mahmuday and SGJ. Hope they are safe and well.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam all awatistas,

    Below is an article linked about the coup that occur in Zimbabwe and the options of change that will give a general glimpse and a learning curve to the upcoming changes

    https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2014/07/18/exploring-zims-options-change/

    Regards

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aman,

      Prof. Chambganda’s article lays down a summary of the current situation in Zimbabwe and the challenges ahead. He has skillfully pinpointed the alternatives without being (under the circumstances) to suggest an authentic (as he opined) save, unhampered and transparent transition political space free from foreign meddling. It is the hope of every well wishing observer that the people of Zimbabwe deserve to get chance to chart their future. This will depend on the awareness and patriotism of the elites and how they will align themselves.

      Up to this point in time, developments in the country seem to indicate the game is being played within the ruling party whose power base is the army and the War Veteran’s Association. The struggle of the coup makers and the sacked vice-president (Emmerson Mnangawa) seem to be trying with the help of mediations from neighboring countries led by Jacob Zuma’s government, to persuade Robert Mugabe to step aside along with his wife and let them sort out things within the household. If this would succeed, and the situation would stabilize and insulates itself from foreign intervention, the country could enter a new political phase of tackling the accumulated political and economic problems Prof. Chambganda has outlined. Existing parties such as Morgan Tvangirai’s party have much to do in order to put up credible challenge to the ruling party.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Aman and Ismail

        PIA The Long time leader is on the way…
        hear the link of our tes

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUSj5EkWtB0&feature=share

        KS,,

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Kokhob Selam,
          Thank you so much for the link. It is very encouraging audio by a promising young man. This is what we expect from our young generation. They have whole future of their country at stake for which they have unite and work hard.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Ismailo,

        The reason I liked Prof. Chambganda’s article is the options he gave for the possible Zimababwean transitional governments in light the challenges ahead for them. Therefore, my point was, do we have someone who could lay down the current situation of our nation and its history, with all the options possible for our democratic transitions, if we face the same realities in the near future? I want to see the personal takes of the top notch Eritrean elites on this matter. At least let us stop giving platform to the bigots and narrow nationalist and think along the lines of Prof Chambganda’s intellectual drives for our dear nation and dear Eritrean people. Ismailo, don’t you think so?

        Regards

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Aman and others,

          First, I would like to apologize for misspelling the name of the Professor. It is a terrible mishap when one refers to an author and misspell his/her name. Please forgive me.

          Regarding learning lessons from experiences and events such as what is currently unfolding in Zimbabwe and had taken place elsewhere, I concur with Aman’s point that our fate as a nation sooner or later will have to face the challenge of transition is a serious matter that should preoccupy us. This becomes worthwhile point because the post-liberation political and socio-economic conditions in Zimbabwe are preponderantly similar with our own. The differences could be reduced to matters of style and conduct of the actors under the one-man-one-party despotism. Moreover, the challenges that have been facing the rulers of the two countries may differ. While Mr. Mugabe and his party confronted with challenges from former colonial powers for reasons having had to do with the future of White minorities and resources they dominated, Isayas Afeworki has been victim of his over-played propensity to gain fame and grandeur which he thought could be attained through military adventures in the region and absolute despotism on the home front. The end product in both countries has been isolation, economic pauperization, police state repression and social disruption riddled by en masse flight of the youth

          Thus, much of what Prof. Chimbganda has outlined could apply to our own situation. Hence, our dilemma is whether our learned segment of the elites could qualify to the level of taking responsibility and help in crafting ways to suitable platforums that generate ideas and postulations that could be translated to do-able national task program for the transition. The challenge is whether our intellectuals and the elites in general (all in the framework of the opposition to the current regime) would raise to the required level and discharge their obligations to the society. In a word, how many Chimbgandas do we have?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            No need of apology for misspelling. We all do, and doesn’t make any difference to the message you intend to pass. Your message was clear and it is well taken by the well meaning Eritreans. Now back to the issue: I am in a complete agreement with Legacy’s assessments on the Zimbabwean fate as they go forward, though one should not lose his optimism to wish them well. My friend Saay and me disagree as to what “military coups” could discharge their obligation, their limitation, and their lust to power. My question to you is, what difference of consciousness could have the military coup of Zimbabwe than the military coup of Ethiopia in 1974, or all those happened in Africa, that gives hope to Zimbabwean from this coup? Did you notice any intellectual difference in the military circle of Zimbabwe army and Eritrean army, if in case the coup of Zimbabwe gave way to democratic transition? Only a despaired population in fighting the oppressive regime they have can only hope from military coup.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            Regarding the apology it’s was a kind of self-admonition for silly negligence of not paying attention. On the role of the military in effecting genuine change, past instances by and large demonstrate that they are not the best agency entrusted to lead and oversee transition from authoritarian to open democratic order. The military by duty and role is constitutes a last resort guardian and stakeholder in autocratic systems. They would only intervene when their interest face real threat. Examples in this regard are ample especially in underdeveloped and backward nations such as countries of the so called third world. In a word, it is real risk to entrust introduction and building of democracy to the military. It is only desperation and hopeless failure of civilian political formations that make the military a last resort option to rid oppressed nation of destructive dictatorial systems. This is the real concern we Eritreans should seriously consider. The example you have mentioned next door – 1974-75 Ethiopia – as well as the coup of 1964 in Sudan and a lot many in other places tell us how the military rode waves of popular uprisings when the civilian political organizations could not set their priorities in order and unite to challenge the military and transit to democratic order.

            I think we understand the situation in Zimbabwe and Eritrea are to large degree similar. As I stated in one of my earlier exchanges (with who I don’t remember) the two systems are one party rules under paramount chiefs. The style and the challenges the two face could vary. But ZANU-PF had been more open, at least symbolically, than Isayas’ PFDJ. The former has a constitution and held elections and referendum (with all the shortcomings) in which Dr. Mugabe’s party lost to Morgan Tvangirai’s party in 2008 for example. There was a time when Mugabe shared power with Tvangirai which the ruthless security agency and the military had rendered ineffective, and Mugabe regained total controle. In Eritrean the picture is totally different.

            Isayas’ rules as uncontested despot through military-cum-security intricate system born and nursed during his days in the bush and matured after 1991. There is no constitution and elections are alien heresies. The army and security forces have been weeded from any survivors with patriotic awareness. The generals, as far as we know, are mentally disarmed and blind loyalists. In the case of Zimbabwe, and as the current events seem to show, the military brass may be better informed about its interests on group and individual levels. Emmerson Mnangawa was security chief that was key to Mugabe stay in power. I am not sure whether one of Isayas’ general would turn a Mnangawa or War Veterans Association chief, Chris Mutsvanga.

            Briefly, what I am saying is this: the one party rule under Mugabe’s despotism may be more germane for transition to democratic rule if the civilian forces would desist from engaging in premature power struggle and agree to build on the rudimentary democratic experience the country practiced. Isayas’ despotism is so crude without any form of grass roots political experience that pose dual dilemma to the Eritrean: Lack of worth and to reckon with military leadership (I am including here lower rank officers like Wedi Ali) on the one hand, and on the other, the hopelessly divided civilian formations. To survive the effect of these two I hope we would be lucky to see patriotic Eritrean learned men and women like Prof. Chimbganda.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ismaialo,

            As always I agree with your take, nothing to add or oppose on this comment. However, let me remind you that you are one of them, and you could propose a way out from a crises if we face similar to the Zimbabwean circumstances, like what Prof. Chimbganda did. You are a historian, you were part of the history making Eritrean struggle, and you are a well read about the history coups in our continent. That makes you a candidate to write about how we will go if we are on that kind of eventualities.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • blink

    Dear sidi abdu
    All my comments with Said has nothing to do with the sadistic dictator, none. You are right I am bad in communication . Jump them and that will do the job . I find your worthiness to be an accountable for your mistakes. Be yourself and that is i guess very very mean to be honest.

  • iSem

    Hi all:
    Listen to this unifying and demstifying speech: an introduction to jebertite
    https://www.facebook.com/abdulrahman.omer.39/videos/1402227299900812/

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear iSem,

      Thank you for the link!!! I enjoy it !!!

      KS,

  • Senifalu

    Will the YPFDJ apologies to the Eritrean people when the tied is turn like the Zanu PF Youth leader, Chipanga did yesterday?

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Selam Awate Staff,

    A CALL TO AWATE STAFF

    Higdef bigots endeavor to pull Eritreans to square one. They want our people to be divided along religion and fight each other continually, a none stop fight. Our people have understood clearly the weapon PFDJ utilizes to destroy them, and replied loudly they, Muslims and Christians, are brothers. I hope all Eritreans and specially elites should not be deviated easily by higdef bigots to Square One.

    I think, it is high time for Awate Staff to delete any post that ignites division along religion or any form of division among Eritreans.

    Al-Arabi

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Hameed Al-Arabi,
      .
      Aren’t you afraid that the high time of deleting posts you are recommending……. will start with you?
      .
      Mr. K. H

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Hi Kim Hanna,

        I don’t have a mission of dividing the people of Eritrea. I think you have misunderstood me. I am not from the people who wish our neighbors to be divided among themselves and fight each other. I wish peace and prosperity to Eritreans as well as to Ethiopians, Sudan, all the peoples of Africa and the entire world.

        I hope I have made my stand clear to you. Mr/ Miss/ Mrs Kim Hanna, be liberated of local citizenship and be an international citizen.

        Al-Arabi

    • blink

      Dear Hameed
      it is you who are pushing people who wanted to United Eritreans .For example you vehemently attacked MS for voicing his concern about a Sudanese sheikh who talked to divide Eritreans and if you go back and see your comments are filled with accusations to half of the Eritrean population. You are pushing for your narrow minded religious views.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Hi blink,

        Yours witness is a punched one. You are so crafty.

        Al-Arabi

        • blink

          Dear hameed
          Truth has been your enemy for a long period of time. You just can’t handle it.

  • said

    Greetings,
    Dear Blink, your sharia idiocy,
    There immense challenge that it was to change public perception about Islam. Fundamentally this issue is about Muslim people in general that have been denied their basic rights in Eritrea, we need to believe a deep-seated belief that everybody deserves basic decency and respect, and whenever we are able to make this debate about Eritrea people at large, change comes.
    Blink Your argument it’s utterly counterproductive and nonsense, you are being told by many times, no need to remind you.
    You bring Sharia and your statement that you state ( sharia it still has legs left), this by it self is evidence among many, you want sharia eradicated from Muslim faith, wishful thinking, You begin with the dehumanisation of the other (the believer of Abrahamic faith), You confirm Your narrative of a profoundly Islamophobic and ranting against sharia ,tapping into fears, You are one among disillusioned members of our society .You are disillusioned with the negative side effects of faith . being openly anti- faith and Sharia polarisation, is not smart, and force people to take a side. You should start with the commonalities rather than the differences and what untie us. we will be able to rebuild the broken bridges. that justice is more important than your sharia idiocy. Do not forget the good about others, as what they are: human beings with all kind of flaws, certainly, but also capable of loving, laughing and crying. In your dark side. You want to see only what You agree with you and to hear only what You want to hear. it shows your utter hate, learn the language of respect and put cultural references. You are becoming increasingly detached from the reality and you are of those on the fringes of the political spectrum. The consequence of this is becoming increasingly obvious, your statement is to a deepening divide between “us” and them” – and ultimately – dwindling empathy. fringe groups and radical are not as representative for all Muslims, You fail to see. You can not bring make a mass movement that would bring about radical political change. like any religion and it is hear to stay, your atheist Bolshevik communist killed millions of faithful people and tried eradicated and failed, know your place and size yourself . you are one of those Eritrea who mimics and Preaching inaccuracies, distortions and manipulations of sharia fact. As you stated , You join real 5 star hater of Islam and sharia, I have listed the global top leader of Islamophobia anti-Islam activist group ,the list like Pamela Geller is probably the best known, , Sam Harris, Steven Emerson Bill , David Horowitz ,Maher, Steven Emerson, Brigitte Gabriel Egyptian Christian, Daniel Pipes has an apparently respectable background as a professor at leading schools including Harvard University, somaline Ayaan Hirsi Ali One of the story dishonest she told Dutch immigration authorities and the public there turned out to be false — she had never witnessed any civil war.
    Frank Gaffney Jr. is a former Reagan administration defense official who is gripped by paranoid fantasies about Muslims destroying the West from within.
    As it is, their immense challenge that it was to change public perception about Islam. Fundamentally this issue is about Muslim people in general that have been denied their basic rights, we need to believe a deep-seated belief that everybody deserves basic decency and respect, and whenever we are able to make this debate about Eritrea people at large, change comes.
    First you do not represent any significance, you are a disgrace too. Muslim have enough. enemies to provide those enemies with your sharia idiocy, an moral cover for the sake of political convenience or your atheist ideology corroborates, you are the worst anti-Muslimism stereotypes and strengthens the hand of those who mean to harm Eritrean unity .you put yourself on a moral par with Agazain fanatics, you are become the pet cause of Agazain bigots, is not a personal bigotry against you but so much as it is an atheist ideological obsession against religion you manifest. Awate is providing you a platform and your ilk fanatics. and the fanatics causes you champion. we already seen PFDJ enough destructiveness against religion is that much greater than your sharia idiocy. If the 26 years holds a lesson for Eritrean, it’s to beware of every form of bigotry, fanatics atheist, radical ,communist and alike , including the extreme leftist and illiberalism of those who purport to be on Eritrean side seeking justices ,we have enough of them..

    • blink

      My dear brother said
      What you have tried could have been said shortly if you not wanted to go with the easygoing of blaming and calling names and I really pity that sense of urgency. you collected from a very narrow side of red zone of global warming rejectionists . The last day of believing in the unseen rulers is s coming.

  • wedi eritrea

    good morning how are we are ?
    i just wanted to let you know egypt have no right or legitimacy to ordinate an eritrean pope without
    the autorisation of the legitime eritrean saint sinode to represente eritrean abroad ,I can assure you it s impossible
    the guy is leader to a sect called tehadiso .they claim the old church need reform in it dogmatic and it doctrine way
    they infiltrate the orthodoxe church in ethiopia and it s a mess .where they are is fighting and cursing
    they sound wize when they preach but if you focus there is no substance in it and they are not priest anyway
    they try to divide the church it didn t work well even in ethiopia they are not welcome
    at the end if you don t knowledge of religion it dangerous t become fondamenlist without no tolerance for the other
    it say in the gospel (nay begie lemdi lebisom kimesu iyom tetenqequ yibil
    abagiey dimsey yifeltu yom yibil )

  • Robel Cali

    Greetings all,

    “That is apparently a message to those who think they have more ownership to Eritrea because they belong to one sect or another; Therefore, we were one people when the preachers came to us and our ancestors made different choices.”

    So when the Egyptians in the 19th century forced the Nara, some Kunama, most of Tigres (Ad-Habtes [Hababs], Bet Juk, Ad-Temariam, Ad-Tekles, Bet Asgede, Bet Abrehe) 2/3rds of the Bilen to convert to Islam or face death, was that a choice?

    Let’s stop romanticizing and washing the bloody history of Abrahamic religions’ introduction to Eritrea. They mostly came with the sword and they will leave when technology makes religions and other superstitions obsolete.

    • Righteous

      Selam Robel,

      I don’t believe technology will end religion at all. Scientists don’t even know what’s going on in the sea let alone the space. And most of what they believe happened, or will happen is just theories, albeit educated ones sometimes. So, unless someone can literally explain what happens after death and the mysteries of the universe I don’t see religion going anywhere.

      Also, I’m confident you can’t force anyone to become a Muslim, since that would not enable the person to truly become a real Muslim. It’s not possible, i tt really isn’t. However, many people do things in the name of religion which is not permitted, so there is that.

      I’m not even that religious yet I keep posting about religion. I guess that is what oppression does to people, you rise to the occasion when you feel you’re forced to defend yourself and others.

      • Robel Cali

        Hey Righteous,

        According to the director of engineering at Google,Ray Kurzweil, “By 2029, computers will have human-level intelligence.” and that AI singularity will happen in the year 2045, just a few years later humans will merge with machines.

        It is at this point, 2045, that religion will significantly start dying off.

        Once AIs learn how to make even smarter AIs on their own, then their AIs will make even smarter AIs on their own and so on and so forth. In order to compete, humans will merge with machines otherwise we will be treated as pets in the same way we treat dogs and cats.

        By 2100-2110, humans will be a minority and humanoid robots will be the majority. Humans will live for centuries if not indefinitely through machines or as cyborgs. All human diseases will be cured, including aging and religion will be left for a tiny minority of amish-like holdouts who resist any type of technology. But because they resisted technology to extend their life, they will die off and so will the religions they clung onto.

        I don’t know what you mean because we have books written by European observers from the 18th century describing how Tigre communities (who were named by their clans) were forced to burn down their own churches and convert to Islam at the barrel of Egyptian guns. Some of the Orthodox Tigre priests refused and died in their churches.

        Egypt wanted to forcibly make the Eritrean and Ethiopian people Muslim; thinking that they would be more sympathetic to their Nile water concerns. If they were not defeated in the highlands by mostly Eritrean fighters, they would of islamified all of Eritrea and beyond.

        Permited or not, that doesn’t change the fact that a lot of Muslims on this planet were forced into Islam at the sword. Christanity was the same. Both religions did it. You can’t undue something. All you can do is remember it was done and not romanticize it later.

        Also, why aren’t you religious?

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Hi Robel Cali,

          Before you lecture us about the future, tell us about the past and present. From where did you come? What is you mission here? Where are you going? I hope not to tell me that your father and mother have brought you. Parents are a mere transportation tool like any transportation means, a bus, train, plane, etc. You are unique no one resembles you. You have special finger prints which is different from all humans living at present or created before you. You have special ID and in the future most probably you will have an international ID number. At present the world has become a village and in the near future will be one country with one leader, flag, currency, etc. Man is in a continuous change and the dull only will be left behind.

          Al-Arabi

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Robel Cali,

          It’s nice you make the history to fit your narration. What have religion to do with if Egypt wants to control the source of the Nile?

          Why didn’t Egypt convert all the Christian orthodox in Egypt first before it wanted to convert others?

          Are you saying Islam come to Eritrea from Egypt?

          Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.

            Religion was one of the weapons Egypt tried to use to control the Nile. Here is an excerpt from history:

            “Egypt and the Hydro-Politics of the Blue Nile River”

            “Khedive Ismail (1863-1879), wanted to make the Nile an Egyptian river by annexing to Egypt all the geographical areas of the basin. To that end, the Swiss adventurer Werner Munzinger (1832-1875), who served him, had remarked: “Ethiopia with a disciplined administration and army, and a friend of the European powers, is a danger for Egypt. Egypt must either take over Ethiopia and Islamize it, or retain it in anarchy and misery.”

            The decision was made to conquer Ethiopia. However, Khedive Ismail lived to regret that decision. The series of military expeditions which he launched in 1875 and 1876, resulted in ignominious defeats for Egypt. Between November 14, 1875, and November 16, 1875, more than 2,500 Egyptian soldiers were routed at the Battle of Gundet. Similarly, from March 7, 1876, to March 9, 1876, some 12,000 Egyptian soldiers were annihilated at the Battle of Gura.

            It may be interesting to note that two American military officers, Colonels William MacEntyre Dye (1831-1904) and Loring William Wing (1816-1886), who fought on the Unionist [actually Confederate] side in the American Civil War (1861-1865) and who were recruited by the Egyptians along with six other American soldiers, participated in the Egyptian military campaigns against Ethiopia. In the same year, the expedition led by Munzinger was decimated in northeastern Ethiopia by the Afars. Munzinger himself was killed. Yet, despite the enormous debacle, Egyptian raids against Ethiopia still continued. The raids were eventually brought to a temporary halt only when Britain occupied Egypt in 1882.”

          • Mez

            Dear Horizon

            Let me add some info about the connection of American Civil War veteran and Ethio-Egyptian war of its time:

            http://militaryhistorynow.com/2017/05/09/confederates-on-the-nile-meet-the-civil-war-vets-who-volunteered-to-fight-for-the-ruler-of-egypt/

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez & Horizon,

            I have learned the history of the battle of “Gurae” and “Gundet” in my junior high or middle school. But this is the first time to learn about the participation of two US confederate army to lead the invading army of Egypt in the battle of Gurea and Gundet in 1875 and 1876 respectively. Gurae and Gundet is in Eritrea by the way. Thank you for the additional info.

            Regards

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Horizon,

            The history you speak about has only about 150 years. The time Europeans started to colonize Africa and other parts of the world. This is about the period Ras Alulla was in Asmara and at the time where Atse Yohannes was forcing Muslims to embrace Christianity. This history is still live in minds of peoples of the region.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            Thanks. I was aware of the historical facts, may not be with all the details.

            What I was questioning RC Isis claim that Egypt concerned the Eritreans to Islam.

            Based on what you wrote let alone to convert people their religion, Egypt was defeated to control the land.

            I understand may be that was its plan but it doesn’t mean actually it happened.

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Berhe,

            Historical accounts are some times perplexing; What Robel said is not necessarily untrue.

            Find and read the book by the then American confederate General–under the service of the Egyptian Kalifa as vice chief of staff of its army who planned and led the war againest our ancestors.

            “Moslem Egypt and Christian Abyssinia; or, military service under… by William Mac E. Dye”.

            He probably thought, then, “the negros in Abysinia would be the same as those demoralized, disorganized ones” back home.

            The irony of fate is that, this exaggerated hate of blacks by him almost costed him his life…..word on his leg (while running away?).

            Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            This is what Robel said “I don’t know what you mean because we have books written by European observers from the 19th century describing how Tigre communities (who were named by their clans) were forced to burn down their own churches and convert to Islam at the barrel of Egyptian guns. Some of the Orthodox Tigre priests refused and were burned to death in their own churches.”

            This is the first time that I am reading this. Do you think there is truth to what he said. “Egyptians by the barrel of the gun converted Christian Tigres to Islam and the burned their churches?

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Berhe,

            I didn’t came across such a litrature. I have a friend whose main research/teaching focus is on near past history of the region; let me collect advice and some publication (if any) from him.

            Knowing our “quantitative history” is very helpful.

            Thanks

        • Righteous

          Hi Robel,

          I didn’t write that I wasn’t religious. I wrote that I’m not “that” religious, as in I’m not overly religious.

          Not even during the Ottoman empire did people get forced to convert to Islam. So, it doesn’t make sense that Egyptians did what you claim. However, during the Ottoman empire I know that they took higher taxes from the Christians, which made many convert because of it. That is very bad nonetheless and nothing can justify it.

          Also, I feel like it’s distasteful talking about these things in this topic tbh. Abune Makarios is a great example of a religious leader that can unite Eritreans.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Righteous,

            Ray Kruzwell is a futurist credit with many invention. His father died young because of some sort of inherited gene and he is being on a mission to change that so he lives long. There was a documentary on Netflix you may be able to find. He takes over 100 piles a day to live long enough to make it to the nano technology era, where he thinks computers bots will be inserted inside people that scan the human system continuously searching for disease. And if they find they have the ability to download the remedies into the body.

            That may happen for few very wealthy and rich people who are obsessed with longitivity and can afford it.

            Forget about the developing world to afford it, even in the US today, millions of people can’t even afford basic health care let alone to insert robots inside their system.

            Incidentally I heard on the radio yesterday FDA approved a digital device that will inserted inside humans which alerts doctors and family members if a patient has taken medication.

            Personally I think it’s all BS. If you live in this earth for 80 and 90 years and you don’t find happiness or your purpose in life, what is another 10 or 20 years in pain and agony.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            ahaha.
            The idea is to live without pain and agony and initially education was for the elites, then depending which country primary and middle school education became right, higher education was for the elites, then starting from USA it became mass education and now on the cusp of universal education
            the longevity will start with the rich and one day, the debate in the parliament will be, so many canadians are living only 120 years, mostly the lefts will say that:-)
            Humans will never stop dreaming, they dreamed flying, and it was only rich ppl first, because they have the luxury to entertain luxury and it is good thing.
            You worry about real state, but we can solve it, eg Canada is empty and weather is not that harsh and but ppl avoid the Canadian shield, because high and little and rockey and live crowded along the coastlines
            in 50 years in GTA we most of the jobs will be done by robots, and driver less cars will prevent 90% of accidents and auto deaths and high rising building will most likely have their own water treatment plants
            Tn the Toad to Wigan Pier Orwel writes that the life expectancy of a coal miner was 35 and by the time he was 30 he has lost all his teeth and life was painful, now his grand kids can live til 80 and in afar, far better health than him and more meaningful life.
            What Ray K is doing is admirable, his father died early with diabetic and he is beating it, living is better and more enjoyable than becoming dust and the food of plants.
            Look at how the world was 150 years, it was dark, no electricity and now we live luxury and that light has created its challenges where light specially blue light is causes of many cancers as it disrupts the circadian rhythm and hormones, total darkness is good for your health, but no one wants to live in it even if we know it is not good, we just have to solve the problems it introduces and lives goes on, solving problems, introducing new ones and solving them

          • Berhe Y

            iSem Arkey,

            I expected that you challenge me:) because we have not settled this debate before. I am not sure all this futuristic plans specially with robots will help preserve humanity. If anything it will be our demise. For example, technology in the past had solved problems humans have but it helped create opportunity, like the the computer. But now with automation / robotics, it’s not solving people’s problems but it’s creating / killing opportunity for human beings and a small portion of the society are getting super rich at the expense of the society.

            You have traveled to the US and I am sure you have your own observation..when you make your pit stop at gas stations and you see the health condition of those people who serve, over weight, no teeth, can’t walk properly, …I mean I don’t know what’s going up there but there is some systematic problems in the society. If the US with all it’s wealth and know how is not able to share the wealth among themselves, like basic universal health care then how do you think this new technology will be shared with the rest. Have you seen the american channel commercials…it’s all about health….take this medicine, take that medicine..non sense.

            For example amazon, with it’s technology what exactly has provided that would improve people’s lives. Ok, it delivers your shopping to your home like books, goods, and grocery soon and they are moving towards total domination of all things people purchase.

            As a result, Jeff Bezos become the richest person in the world may be worth 100 billion and the result:

            – local book stores are closed, shopping center are closing, soon grocery store will be start closing, etc and jobs are being lost…in other words, he is getting super rich at the expense of the society well being….and guess what he is not paying any TAXES..with all the scam that’s going on and the way they hide their income (paradise papers), the society loses. So instead of having Bezo’s own 100 billion dollars, I would rather see 100 companies own 1 billion and create lots of jobs, pay lots of taxes.

            I am not suggesting automation or robotics should stop, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of the society well being. All this living to 150 years sounds good ….but I doubt it is for the well being of the society…basically people are not able to save enough income to live that long …

            There are going to be fewer jobs..tell me what jobs will be created that will sustain the economy and the human beings that are being replaced by robots….

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            The left in you is on the fore in this comment:-)
            100 billion for Jeff, good thing, how is that bad, he did not still it, he pays taxex, maybe we should raise taxes to the rich as Buffet says, raise my taxes, and the so called trickle economics does not work, I get that
            The Luddites when the industrial machines replaced workers were not happy, they wanted us to stay in the manual work and see how life has changed for humans.
            Well, new tech will lay off people, but jobs will be created, designing the robots, robot tech support and robot security , installing check Point FW or appliance FW on them etc:-)
            The problems that new tech will create will be growth for innovatores, yes ppl need to train and go to school, but in history for every one job lost more than one job was created in the economoy.
            Truck drivers and taxi drives will lose jobs in the next 50 years, but driver less cars do not grow in the ground, they need design, programming, AI, maintenance, security, u name it
            what will the person serving your cofee at Tims do when robots takes over, they will retrain.
            In the 70s when Canadian government used demography for forcasting, they saw elementary and high school drop, so they cut funding to higher education colleges and universities as they anticipated low enrollment, then they were shocked when the higher education application numbers swelled instead decreasing, where did the numbers come from: Canadian sensing their jobs going overseas, seeing machines replacing them, noticing dead-end jobs quit their jobs and went back to school (these were not old ppl, but older than the typical college/university goer)
            Smart ppl are just that smart and they take their destiny on their hands
            entire industries get displaced, in the next 20 years, your blood work will be done in frot of you in seconds and all the lab analysts network will be decimated, where will the lab techs w go, it is not overnight, but slowly, the new industry will absorve them with retraining and transferring them
            The problems u see in the USA, the airports in USA that look like Khartoum airport like the Kennedy in NY, the dilabitated roads, and brigdes and decaying cities dirty oceans and waters, all the overweight ppl are all opportunities to be solved

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            I only agree with you if the rich like Bezos and others pay their share of taxes then that could alleviate the problems that will come with automation and robots. The problem is, the wealthy (in the US) control the politicians with their financial support and the politicians will not do much to pass a low that force the rich to pay taxes. Donald Trump after all the speech I stand for the little guy, he is proposing tax cut to the rich that amount to 1.5 trillion.

            Actually I like Jeff Bezos, I think his letter to investors for the past how many years is quite remarkable. He is a lot more human than the other billionaires, the likes of Walmart, and koch brothers or face book. I used him as an example just to show that what ever his company doing, taking away grocery stores, book stores, taxi drivers out of the work force, it’s not making life for ordinary person better. Apple has over 250 billion dollars hidden in in it’s off shore accounts that it’s not paying taxes. For example I like what Elon Musk is doing, electric cars, solarcity etc. it’s creating technology that solves people problems, like green house.

            Berhe

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Robel Cali,

          Why don’t give literature references regarding your claim about the Egyptians action on the burning of churches of the Eritrean Tigre’s. Don’t through statements like that without backing documents.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Righteous,

        You said: “Scientists don’t even know what’s going on in the sea let alone the space.”

        Scientists do not know everything, but what they know, they know well. In well understood phenomena, they can explain what is and they can predict what will be. Science is a continuous approximation and advances by stepwise refinement.

        And religion? It is just hot air and a shot in the dark like a blind man trying to outline the structure of his surroundings based on speculation.

        Religious books people kill and die for are full of Mathematical, chronological, historical and scientific errors. The worst thing is, religion is a closed affair, with no room for improvement.

        In Eritrea, there should be no legal and political system that runs parallel to a secular system under any circumstances.

        • Righteous

          Selam Simon,

          I get your drift, but the well understood phenomenons are too few in comparison to the plethora of things that needs to be explained. For instance, scientists recently found that something leaves your body after death and some claim it’s the soul leaving the body. It was recorded with a special camera. I read about it not long ago in a newspaper.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Righteous,

            “scientists recently found that something leaves your body after death and some claim it’s the soul leaving the body. It was recorded with a special camera.”

            “scientists”?
            “something” leaving “your body after death”?
            “recorded with a special camera”?

            Where? When? How?

            Could this be Cargo Cult Science?

            Still, I am curious to know about it.

          • Righteous

            Selam Robel,

            Yes, it is wierd indeed, but religious people claim it’s the soul leaving the body. I thought it was interesting, that’s why I brought it up.

            http://bloggar.aftonbladet.se/efterdoden/

            There must be studies about it written in English, but the above one is in Swedish.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Righteous,

            Unfortunately, you referred me to a tabloid newspaper, and furthermore there is no article under the link.

            You need to cite a peer reviewed paper in a Scientific journal.

          • Righteous

            Selam Simon,

            It’s not a tabloid +..+!

            In an case, here are some links everyone has access to for free.

            https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/694341/Hospital-soul-leaves-body-life-after-death

            https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2123380/researchers-claim-that-humans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/

            True or not, it’s for the eyes of the beholder to judge, as is everything. It is interesting nonetheless!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Lebam,

            “it’s for the eyes of the beholder to judge”?

            Wrong!

            There are structures and mechanisms for verifying scientific truths. We are not talking about Cargo Cult? Do you think every idea you come up with while sitting under a tree, sunbathing, will be considered as science?

          • Lebam

            Hello Simon,

            It is a study that has been made and if you read the articles and research the subject yourself, you would’ve confirmed it. Now, every research is not validated, nor is everything we benefit from FDA Approved.

            The scientists saw energy leaving the body after death, and that equates to being a soul for others. The same energy returned to the body once resurrected. You can hold your ears and jump up and down as much as you want, but several scientists reserched what I wrote about above.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Lebam & Simon,

            Your exchanges made me laugh at the end, because I kept imagining both of you imaging a white dove flying off skyward after someone dies.

            Simon, the atheist’s, shock with the idea of “discovery of something leaving the body after death” is understandable, but you are correct that there is something that must leave the body when we die. That something, perhaps now observable as you said with the right instrument, is the electrical energy that must leave our body when we lack the ability to retain it.

            Energy is neither created nor destroyed; it can only be converted. So, the energy we acquire from the elements we consume to “energize” our body must go somewhere when we longer can use it. That is one plausible explanation I can think of.

            An interesting question to ask now is which comes first,
            Loss of energy followed by pronouncement of death or pronouncement of death followed by loss of energy? I will leave the answer to Simon as an exercise!

    • Peace!

      Hi Robel,

      Sorry for the intrusion with a bit different topic…I am following the developing story in Zimbabwe, and as an Eritrean, I am more interested to learn on how a blind regime supporters react when military coup unfolding. So far the PFDJ/YPFDJsta version of Mugabe have not resisted, except for a tiny protest, and quietly let their man Mugabe to be taken and put under house arrest and First Lady flee the country. Do you think DIA’s supporters will have similar fate should the military wakes up someday in the near future and say enough is enough?

      Peace!

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Robel Cali,

      “… the Egyptians in the 19th century forced the Nara, some Kunama, most of Tigres (Ad-Habtes [Hababs], Bet Juk, Ad-Temariam, Ad-Tekles, Bet Asgede, Bet Abrehe) 2/3rds of the Bilen to convert to Islam or face death …”. The reader owes you credible source.

      • Robel Cali

        Greetings Ismail,

        It’s obvious most Tigres in that region converted to Islam in the 19th century. All those Tigre clans I named are unquestionably Christian names. For instance, Ad-Tekles full name is “plant of Jesus” (namely, Takla Yasus); Hebtes or Hababs’ full name is “Gift of Jesus” (namely, Habta Yasus); And Tamariam’s full name is, “Gift of Mary” . The reason why these Tigre clans have Christian names is because most of them living in the Sahil and Anseba regions are of recent Tigrinya ancestors and their names and oral history reflects that.

        If I had to guess, I would say 70% of Tigres today are of recent Tigrinya ancestry (between 16th-18th century). The rest are of Beja ancestry (12th-15th century). The Beja Tigres, who were occupying the Sahil and Anseba regions before Bet Asgede Tigrinya people came were Asfada, Almeda, and Haffara clans, who gradually converted to Islam around the 16th century. The Bet Asgede dominated the region and their descendants, the Hababs, would become the largest clan. The Hababs were so dominant that all Tigres were collectively referred to as Hababs by European travelers.

        The Beja Tigres came to the region during the second beja migration to Eritrea between the 7th-14th century. No one knows the original Tigres were. All we have today are Tigrinya Tigres (majority) and Beja Tigres (minority).

        I don’t consider Beni Amer as Tigre. I think Beni Amers are Tigre speaking Bejas. Most Beni Amers can speak both languages.

        A great book that talks in detail about the Egyptian invasion and their Islamification agenda on Eritrea/Medri Bahri is “Eritrea, a Pawn in world politics, by Professor Okbazghi Yohannes. Unfortunately, I no longer have the book (I gave it to a friend who no longer lives near me). I bought it in 2009 after previewing it on Google books. The previews are no longer available so you have to buy the 50 dollar book. Again, if you want to know what the Egyptians were doing in Eritrea, there is no other book that talks in great detail and that is as well sourced as the one I mentioned. It’s worth the 50 dollars. And if it makes you feel better, Professor Okbazghi is an opposition member.

        Regarding my source for those ethnic groups being forced into Islam, those came from books written in the 19th century by European observers to the region. The problem with these books is you can’t simply google “Egypt forced Tigres to become Muslims” and expect to find a hit. You have to search which Tigre clan, you have to get their version of spelling correct (which is always different from how we spell it today and different with each European author) and you can’t even search Muslims as Muslims back then were called, “Mohammedans” and even this spelling was different from author to author. So I would have to read through many different books from that time to find that one European eyewitness observer who stated the Egyptians were forcing people to convert to Islam in Anseba, Sahil and gash barka regions. I’m not about to read 12,000 pages just to make a point on a comment section. It’s too time consuming. I randomly found it in 2009 while doing research on Eritrea and never forgot it.

  • said

    Greeting
    Many are totally deaf to H. H. Abune Makarios teaching, they are atheist regime blind supporters, Abune Makarios , the one who is fearless and who speak truth to the faithful and true leader of his faith ,as leader and elders, whose task is not to reassure and maintain a following, but to love even at the cost of not being loved in return. His true follower loved him and may Eritrean have returned their love anf honored him for his stand to the regime , for his dare to speak the truth to the power ,To bear to hear the voice of our true faith leader and elder H. H. Abune Makarios lived by true example,by the way of Jesus ,in never compromising the teaching of Jesus , the leader whose voice disturbs rather than placates, preference for rights ,for equality for peace, for justice, for unity , for kindness, and he has Being responsible and caring ,that he transmitted to Eritrean and restored hope , for that our consciousness recoils from as an other. When Eritrean feel Too gloomy, too pessimistic and He lighten up and he is just like a moon in the dark, that clear light cast into the darkness of its night. That means, of course, not giving in to the dictator regime of Asmara and to adjust our consciousness to the right way and free our self that constitutive our humanness and find our soul’s alive. I pry for H. H. Abune Makarios to be free and lead and restore his church to its origin teaching. God bless him .

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