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Ahl Al-Kahaf: The Sleepers of Ephesus

Let me begin by wishing success and fruitful discussions for the organizers and attendants of the Sheffield Meeting, planed for tomorrow, Saturday, July 22, at 2pm.

The two honorable men in the picture are Shiekh Mohammed Juma Abu Rashid, and Abba Shenoda Haile. The “Eritrean Justice Camp” knows both men who are visible in demonstrations and gatherings to highlight the predicament of Eritreans under the yoke of the PFDJ tyranny.

This week the two men became a topic of discussion after Eritreans in Sheffield, England, called for a public meeting to which they invited notable community leaders. I read most of the comments (mostly by Muslims) while holding my nose.

The average Muslim is aware of the Koranic story of Ahl AlKahaF, Surarh 18, Verse 19-26 (The People of The Cave) which Christians known as the story of “The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus”. And I wondered if people who just came out of a cave didn’t post the comments. This edition of Negarit is my spontaneous reaction to the comments I read in frustration. And I believe there is a source for all of that noise.

The Assault Is Not New

A few years ago, when I warned that the Eritrean legacy is under attack, and defended the case of Hamid Idris Awate, many didn’t see the reason for my reaction. Naturally, tampering with the pillars of a building leads to the crumbling of the entire edifice; once Awate is discredited, it is natural the entire Ghedli legacy is put in question. Thereafter, the illegitimate becomes legitimate and there remains no sanctity for anything Eritrean: legacy, sacrifices, nationhood. Then, is it a surprise that a few vagabonds have been desecrating our martyrs?

The demoralizing is still going on unhindered and everything we hold dear is being besmirched. Maybe a few critics are doing it with good intentions, to avoid a repeat of past failures, but for most of them, the assault aims at erasing our history and crippling our dreams for the future. The assault on the Eritrean legacy is relentless, vile and extremely obnoxious.

If not for the few reasonable and patriotic (even faithful) exceptions, the nasty comments about the picture of Sheikh Mohammed and Abba Shenoda are a deliberate continuation of the destructive campaign with a goal to destroy anything Eritrean. And that can only come from those who do not understand the Eritrean resolve of honoring their legacy. They do not appreciate the tenacity with which Eritreans will fight back, regardless of any factors, internal or external. The fact that Isaias and his clique tarnished the fruit of our struggle, the fact that the PFDJ regime usurped the sovereignty of Eritreans, the fact that a few noisy revisionist elements found space to attack our history and our unity, will change nothing. It’s just a bumpy road that we must break through.

This Needs to Be Said

What follows below might annoy some people. I really do not give their annoyance any weight, their ego is not more important than the Eritrean nation. Who in his right mind would object to a Christian and a Muslim notable sharing a seat in a national public meeting except those who dwell in caves? Some were even more callous: they accused Sheikh Mohammed of apostasy for taking a picture with a priest donning a Cross! What is odd in a priest who dons a cross? And strangely enough, they are all worked up when their Christian nemesis badmouth Muslims and threaten them with genocide! What is the difference between the two extremist camps who think they represent the noble Eritrean Christians and Muslims? Is the Eritrean womb barren to settle for such fanatics for leaders? Not at all. The Eritrean womb is still fertile. But the nation is going through acute anxiety caused by the ruling clique. The nation is going through tribulations that it will surely overcome.  Only the fools doubt that.

But such has become of the state of our nation. The voices of the fringe of the Eritrean Diaspora are too loud to ignore though it is too hollow to take seriously.  Nevertheless, it is an annoyance: as the Tigrinya saying goes, it’s lice inside the pants forcing a brave person to undress. Such outright assault on the cohesion of the Eritrean society, despite the many attempts by successive rulers to break it, was unfruitful. And they better learn from that.

During the era of the liberation struggle–which is maligned by those who feel empowered by the ill governance of the country—only the chaff of the combatants conspired for their narrow interests. The rest of the loyal patriots stayed focused on the betterment of the Eritrean society. Sadly, this is where we have reached: today vagabonds think they can successfully divide the people, along all sorts of cleavages—if they don’t find enough, they create new cleavages.

The sectarian vagabonds agitate for confrontation, knowing any fire that erupts will not burn them; they will stay safe in their adopted countries, while they plan for the beleaguered Eritreans to fuel the fires. And if, God forbid, they succeed, such fires are not controllable and would engulf all the region—beyond the confines of our immediate region, beyond Sudan, Ethiopia, and Eritrea. I wish they wise up a little and stop calling for mayhem and turmoil on Eritrea or any other country.

First, Clean Your Own Yards

Once a relative told me, “wise Christians and Muslim leaders should first clean their own yards before they can embark on repairing the dented national unity.” Naturally, given the Eritrean context, I objected to his view though I found it thought provoking to ignore. He believes that, “every sect knows its dirt better than the other… but people should not clean their yard only to throw their dirt in the neighbors’ house over the wall.”

Throwing your dirt to the neighbor’s house is a source of so many problems and almost everyone knows where it leads. Even in the West, bad blood often develops between neighbors when one of them throws his lawn dirt on the neighbors’ front yard.

In short, Muslims and Christians alike have so much dirt in their own societies to blame each other. But who is doing the blaming? Of course, the rascals, the vagabonds, the despised lots among us, not those whose intentions are clean and want to live and let live in a stable and prosperous Eritrea. So much was invested in that goal, that dream which was within reach if not for the deranged rulers of Eritrea who cannot live except as prison wardens. They are the root cause of our predicament. If not for their failure to create conducive environment for citizens to sort out their problems, the spoilers wouldn’t have dared to challenge Eritreans on their unity and cohesion.

The state of the beleaguered Muslims is no secret—it is chaotic and keeps splintering along tribal and clannish groupings. No one admits it, but most do it in an obvious way.

On the faith aspect, the problem of literalists must be addressed. It has become all too common to inject inter-Muslim dialogue with heavy religious quotes—not only from the Kuraan, which would be reasonable, but traditional and historical quotes, poetry from pre-Islamic times, and Haddith quotes attributed to the prophet. They throw a barrage of quotes and expect you to either accept their reasoning, or they will scoff you…or worse, they will consider you an apostate. Some of these extremists think they are divine simply because they quote divine scripture, and their weapon is “Tekfir” (branding someone an apostate), and in the hands of extremists, that is a serious matter.

What does Sheikh mean?

It is important to note that Islam doesn’t have a clergy, or an ecclesiastical hierarchy, a Sheikh simply means an elder. And if a person is considered righteous, then automatically he becomes a community reference. Otherwise, generally Muslims do not have intercessors equivalent to the Christian practice of confessions, or an equivalent of “Abat Nefsi” except for some Sufis who seek intercessions from “saints”(Awliy’a). However, the Muslim demography is plagued by self-imposed individuals, institutions and countries, that act the role of Abat Nefsi for Muslims. But they are not welcome in my life and the lives of people who share my views. I respect those who deserve to be respected, regardless of their faith or race, I was raised  to be loyal to age, and to humble myself in front of the learned, the selfless, and the  righteous.

If you can see, I am already embarking on clearing my own house together with people who agree with me. As for my Christian compatriots, believe me, you cannot help in this endeavor because you have enough in your hands. I would appreciate it if you also start cleaning your house. And as my relative said, if we do that, surely we will prepare a better ground to address our issues calmly and responsibly. We should embark on a serious challenge against those who consider the Eritrean citizens pawns in their political games.

A Muslim growing up in Eritrea, I never heard of any of the terms that are now too common: Rewaafid, Khwaarij, etc. And no one can claim the Muslims of our region are less Muslims than others. In fact, it is sad to see some people resuscitating political conflicts that happened many centuries ago, in far lands, and forcing them on our society.

Finally, those who think they can win an argument by simply parroting a myriad of religious sounding quotes are trespassing on the thinking faculty of others. Those who think they are divine because they can quote divine scripture should know they have no divinity. They are simple mortals like anyone else.

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  • Saleh Johar

    Selam all,

    We have huge ego. So huge it can’t be tamed. I am making this statement generalized because I am hoping at least everyone should think about it. Most of the discussion has been diverted to scoring points. We started to discuss important issues and then it became about unproductive tit-for-tat. No one wants to let go, everyone wants to have the last word. There are provocations, but can’t we learn to ignore some of them and move on?

    I appeal to you all to resist the urge to engage in vindictive personal attacks and counter attacks. Sometimes it is just better to let go. Because if you see the way the discourse deteriorates, it’s because no one wants to let go.

    Defending Ghedli is natural, but the way we do it doesn’t invite converts but more anti-Ghedli extremism. If we are to protect the Ghedli legacy, we have to avoid all the bad traits of which Ghedli is accused. And we know those ugly and exceptionally bad traits that we should shed off while preserving the noble side of it. In short, we have to stand on a higher pedestal not go to the cesspool. Unfortunately, some of the Ghedli defenses are more damaging than the accusations.

    • MS

      Selam Saleh
      I will start the initiative. I’m discarding two planned replies. I don’t see any productive aspect of it. I have to apologize to my children for stealing their time.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Saleh,
      This is perhaps a step that made me feel happy in a while. Thank you; it couldn’t be more timely.
      Sometimes the way we use this important and unique forum makes us appear as though we live in a stable and mature democracy that offer space for the luxary of spending time on fringe social and political matters. That is why some of our sober Ethiopian friends who visit us in this forum voice surprise on the amount of time we spent on side issues at the expense of crucial and relevant issues that concern us and our people during the difficult times we living through.
      Thanks for the reminder and I applaud the brothers and sisters who I expect to respond to your call positively.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Ismail; I agree it is a timely article and I have no problem reacting positively but it won’t be me if I didn’t scrutinizing it justly. Hayat is a mother of wasting time and more far dangerous to Eritrea’s well being than harmless Abi. Then how do you reconciling it, on your mind, Abi gets banned and Hayat is dapped As intelligent, highly admired and encouraged to trash Eritrea and everything Eritrean?

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Nitricc,
          Saleh made a general statement without specifically addressing individuals. He has called for focusing on the bigger picture that front page articles suggest for discussion rather than being diverted to issues raised on the margins. Actually, Saleh has suggest judicious and balanced engagement rather than person to person debates. It is a kind of self censuring which is good way of interacting on issues of common concern.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Nitricc,

          It’s Amel ms megnez.

          Abi was not banned but his account was suspended for two weeks which ended on July 1 as I remember. Don’t create your own “convenient facts.”

          Kindly “scrutinize” your combative comments and maybe your unfounded allegations like “….encouraged to trash Eritrea and everything Eritrean…” You know that is not true but it is your way of “scrutinizing”.

          • Mez

            Dear Saleh,

            (Abi)ti must have been still in a sabatical type holiday; He will sooner than latter come back to his virtual community; he will gain nothing from isolating homself.

            Regarding Ghedli, inherently it belongs to every Eritrean. Nobody can disown or destroy it–even if there is a remote theoretical wish. As far as an Eritrean citizen exists, so will Ghedli blossom and strive. A monumental mistake would be to start imposing arbitrary restriction on private citizens god-given critical thinking and open flow of ideas.
            I personally don’t believe that restrictions on commenting and abstracting thoughts on such a fundamental topic would bring any measurable merit to our community, it would rather bear regression of scientific thinking and self reflection.
            One final point, because it is in the past we shall not overpay attention to it. We shall overly focus on today , and substantially on tomorrow. Thanks

          • saay7

            Mez:

            If Jamaicas upset of Mexico or USA defeating Jamaica yesterday can’t get Abi to return, you know it is serious. And by serious I mean extreme case of Habesha stubbornness.

            By the way yesterday I saw a Tigrayan music video where the kids were doing their very best to mimic gangsta rap music and the lyrics (standard stupid lyrics) had words from childhood game: Mai do Xeba (water or milk). Basically one child mimicked a beast of burden and a bunch of kids get on top each time snaking water or milk. He had to reply milk (bring it on!) or water (I give up get off my back.

            In my entire childhood I never heard a single child cry “water!” (I give up) even when there were 3 kids on top of him and he crumbled from the weight.

            So ok fine this was going to be my opening paragraph from my book to explain everything about the prevailing culture of Eritrea and Ethiopia but since nobody reads books anymore you got it here for free.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            I think I saw some YouTube video of kids playing mai do Xeba. You mentioned only one kid, bending but actually we use to make a train, at least three and there are 7 or 8 guys piling on top, and it’s always Xeba.

            The reason we say Xeba is not because of stubborn but I think if you say mai, you know what’s waiting, you have to go back again, and the game never ends and keeps on going.

            I admit it was one of my favourite games, its was dangerous to say the least but lots of fun, and real bonding not to mention the innocence we had growing up.

            I think we got in this mess because lack of leaders who can’t motivate us to rise up. I remember when I heard the speech Obama have at the democratic convention in 2004 I think, how he moved the entire generation of American people. May be with the exception of Saleh Gadi, I have not heard any ERITREAN gave a speech, well prepared, well rehearsed, with the right tone, right posture, right eye contact, right words, in other words the kind of speech that motivate people to move mountains. And most importantly, they actually mean it.

            May be it’s the same with Ethiopians, dr. Berhanu, engineer Hailu, pm Haile Mariam and even melles Zenawi.

            Dear Saay, if you want my advice, I think you should work on your speech and forget about the writing stuff. A speech as in I have a dream kind of, an ERITREAN version.

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Berhe,
            It is partially a question of perception of things from varying angles.

            Until such a day comes where the security agents from both countries come out and say ” ich liebe euch doch alle!” Things will stay more of the same.
            Thanks

          • saay7

            Sure Berhe:

            I am going to sign up for the Advanced Tigrinya Language for aspiring politicians, that will be taught by Ali Abdu….

            Seriously Berhe why would I want to learn rhetoric since I have zero interest in political leadership? Most rhetoric is bubble gum: do me a favor, try to listen now to the 2004 Obama speech. It had no content. It swindled people into thinking an unqualified person can become president which then encouraged an even less qualified person, Trump, to run for office.

            Saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            Taking aspiring course is not a bad idea but I wouldn’t recommend Ali Abdu as the teacher. He learned all the, “how I put you to sleep Tigrinya” from Isayas.

            Well it worked for Obama. That’s my point, although I thought was good then and stil do. The point is to motivate people to vision what the future should be for them and their children so they can take on the PFDJ.

            You will not need to be a politicians but an activist as you are doing. I am suggesting instead of writing, may be better to deliver it via speech.

            And I think we are or that, stububurn or not, habesha or not is not really the reason. All of us habesha people, until this day (Ethiopia / Eritrea) have not had the pleasure of electing our capable representatives freely.

            We have ended up with swindlers and day time robbers, and bullies as leaders and politicians.

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Saay,

            The message of that speech (in a nutshell) was: there is no Republican or Democrat America, it is one–the USA.

            And I think that was a very powerful message of its time, even now to some extent.

            Thanks

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          You see what you are doing? I wonder sometimes. You present an alternative facts, throw in aspersions on individuals whose only crime is shining light in dark areas and for good measure you wrap yourself in the flag as a true defender of the nation.
          .
          I don’t proclaim to possess more wisdom than you, sitting in an urban environment of the U.S. talking about the Horn. However, I believe when and if push comes to shove, more Eritreans are with the Hayats than with the Nitriics. It appears at the moment that the Nitriccs have such a significant presence in the Gov. and the opposition, it is a virtual stalemate in the downward spiral.
          .
          Stubborn truth and time will eventually come to rule the day, we prey sooner than later.
          .
          Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            I do not know if I am making a big mistake by intruding, but if the history of eritrea is mainly the history of gedli, and if one has to find out, why and how eritrea found herself in the present situation, then one should look for the answer in gedli. Past history and the present have an undeniable relationship, and the explanation for present problems may lie in the past, and the past will also influence the future. If discussing gedli is a taboo, there will never be an answer, and history is going to repeat itself over and over again.
            SJG is completely right when he says that if the defense is equivalent to shooting one’s foot, then the attack is less damaging. There are times to defend and there are times when it is not necessary to defend at all, because the facts and the truth will defend themselves.
            It is disheartening when one sees that people who say that they were there, in the very heart of it (gedli), have chosen the wrong company, and it seems that they are ready to hand over the torch of gedli to them, as one can conclude from the similarity of opinion between the two groups. Those whom they have chosen as the new torch-bearers serve the person who hijacked gedli, and not the people for whom gedli was meant in the first place. I doubt their eligibility and trustworthiness for such an important job.
            That is why SJG was forced to ring the alarm bell, calling for everybody to stop and think, before it is too late.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I think it’s fair to look at history of Ghedli and relate to the situation the country is now. I don’t think there is anyone who can deny that or oppose to it.

            Personally my issue is, with people who are critical of Ghedli that they forget (or purposely omit) a significant aspect.

            1) Ghedli was NEVER initiated by Eritrean willingly. Ghedli was a reaction to the annexation of Eritrea by the Imperial government of Ethiopia.

            2) Although the current regime is a product / subset of Ghedli, but Ghedli is not a subset of the current regime. What I mean by that is, when Eritrea become independent in 1991, all of Eritreans where in some degree part of Ghedli, both in sprit and material, physical support.

            But as early as 1992, the people started to split / differ from the current rules and there was many opposition to the way the country was being run. The former tegadelti, the disabled veterans, the Muslim teachers, the University of Asmara students, the judges, the journalist, the diaspora Intellectuals, member of the central committee and National assembly etc….

            And fight still continues, but the Ghedli critic forget all these and think and want to make us believe that, Ghedli can only deliver the current regime and it’s the only way for Eritrea to move forward.

            Let alone from those who oppose the regime, there is nothing that can suggest the next leader of the country, even if he / she is to come from within PFDJ, to suggest that Eritrea is going to be run the way it’s today under Isayas.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,
            Thank you for the sober comment. Indeed, it is frustrating the way Ghedli is defended by presenting it as a subset of the TPLF and Eritrea as a subset of Ethiopia.

          • Dear Berhe Y.,

            Those who say “why gedli in the first place”, there aren’t many of them, from what I have come to understand since I came to awate. On the contrary, those who say “why so much sacrifice for so little dividend for the people” other than independence, I think that there are many. These are people who have a benignly good wish for eritrea and its people, and their criticism, I think, is not meant to annulle eritrean independence, but their main target is the freedom and the well being of the people, may be not in conformity with those who say that they have the first and the last opinion on this topic.
            It is encouraging to read that dictatorship in eritrea will end with dia, and a new era will dawn on the country, which will of course affect the whole region in a positive way.

          • blink

            Dear
            Kim are you suggesting that more Eritreans see Ghedli as a work of shefatu ? Saleh just tried to silence us but you guys are here for purpose and your purpose is simply not fair to saleh ‘s plea. What good is , if Awate as an institution could not have a clear stand about our history?

            This is not PFDJ or opposition, this thing is all about fundamentals of Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            I will consider your statement a slip of tongue unless you are posing a rhetorical question–which implies Awate.com doesn’t have a clear position on Eritrean [political] history.

            My individual positio. Is : I do not condone jingoism that is presented as a defense of Eritrean history which is bigger than any defense supposedly coming in its defense in an immature manner. I am very confident our history stands tall on its own regardless of any attacks. I just hope people focus on the root cause and stop wasting their energy defending Ghedli the wrong (jingoistic) way.

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Saleh
            I have never ever questioned your position on such issue sir, in fact i believe you have done more than any one defending it by writing book , educating Eritreans about their right and some times confronting people who take you as one of them ,I do not believe you have easy task either.

            Personally I do not have extreme nationalism , this has nothing to do with protecting history because the future of our history is already written . I am not a politician nor a good historian but i can say i am learning by the day and the things i read and learn has a very contrast side to some people in this forum , what i wish to do is to step away from the immature manner of debating, yet it is very hard when some of your beloved debaters tried to be Mr.Know it all. They have never ever differentiated among fact, opinion,and interpretation.They have never weigh the importance and reliability of evidence and explain its significance to the current problem , They have never Comprehend it or used primary sources nor do they formulate rational conclusions to advance a better future for Eritrea, what they do is demonize , demonize . But i admit they do it in a very good English vocabulary .

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir,

            So, you are not fluent yet in blinkigna?

            “What good is , if Awate as an institution could not have a clear stand about our history?”

            Translation:
            Are you blaming Awate.com for having a clear stand on our history? What do you think is the point of making all these efforts [ Awate.com is making ] if not to have a clear stand on our history among many other great services it provides?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,

            I was sure it was a slip of tongue, it was not meant to be understood the way it appeared to mean.

            By the way, next week I am will be in your city and I can afford to pay for a cup of coffee or tea. If you have the time, please let me know.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Memhir,

            It would be an honor!
            I was hoping for a cup of tea with you in front of “Saay’s Cigar Shop” in Asmara, but anywhere will do for now.

            PS:
            We have a friend in common, I believe he will know where and when.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,
            There is a joke from Arabia:

            When setting a meeting place, people used to say: “let’s meet by the tree”. They had one tree 🙂

            Know you said I have a friend. Mine is a firest, not one tree 🙂

            Is it the Wera, zembaba, Neem….

          • MS

            Selam Saleh
            I take the overall message you are trying to get across. Ghedli essence and its legacy could be enduring only when it’s ideals have been met. However, your use of terms such as “jingoism ” is not helpful. Actually, mosteoporosis of the targeted individuals should be commended for standing up to bullying, come from PFDJ lots or the ghedli bashers. I see the defending the legacy of their mothers and fathers based on facts. I think you need to make it clear that your well-intended message is for all. Otherwise, it would be akin to improving flavors without paying due diligence to the nutritional value of the dish.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmoud,
            I wish I knew how to make my message more clearer. But jingoism is what I see here though if we chase soft spots like that, it becomes unproductive, I think. I trust you know what I mean and I am sorry I can’t be more clearer.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Kim and Horizon

            Kim Hanna

            1. – “You (Nitricc) present an alternative facts, throw in aspersions on individuals whose only crime is SHINING LIGHT IN DARK AREAS, and for good measure you wrap yourself in the flag as a true defender of the nation. However If push comes to shove, more Eritreans are with the Hayats than with the Nitriics ”

            THE ETHIOPIAN ELITE NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME – AND I’M NOT YOUNG!!!

            (a). – “If push comes to shove, more Eritreans are with the Hayats (Pro-Union and Anti-Ghedli) than with the Nitriics (Pro-Ghedli and Pro-PFDJ)”.

            Really? Really? Really?………… If you don’t mind, could you please share your sources, or you are just making-up stories.

            (b). – But “it appears at the moment that the Nitriccs have such a significant presence in the Gov. and the opposition, it is a virtual stalemate in the downward spiral”

            So, if the Nitriccs (pro-Ghedli and pro-PFDJ) are dominating in the PFDJ government and in the current opposition, if the Nitriccs are tipping the scale in their favor (downward spiral), then how come the Hayats (the majority) are not winning? And correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the “stubborn truth and time already came and ruled the day” in 1993. Am I missing missing something here?
            Kim: I think “you’re creating your own alternative facts” here.

            Horizon

            2. – If the history of eritrea is mainly the history of gedli, and if Eritrea’s past and present histories have an undeniable relationship, then the explanation for present problems may lie in the past, and the past will also influence the future. If discussing gedli is a taboo, there will never be an answer, and history is going to repeat itself over and over again.”

            Horizon: Let me assure you – Ghedli or not Ghedli, there is no taboo in Eritrean politics. In fact I’m thinking about writing an article one day on the front page of Awate about my experience in Ghedli – highlighting the mistakes and misdeeds of Ghrdli, I might add. If you’ve anything to say about Ghedli, please, please, please bring it on. And until you came-up with your list of Ghedli ሓጥያት, let me give you an appetizer about Eritrean Ghedli’s bloody experience – an experience we’re not proud of.

            My generation was the most violent generation Eritrea ever witnessed. During Ghedli years, the Eritrean people as a whole witnessed bloodshed that exceeded anytime in their history. And all the bloodshed wasn’t just fighting successive Ethiopian regimes. Sometimes it was among ourselves.

            We the Tegadeltis had differences of opinion about many things. And to make things worst, our differences had ethnic, religious, and regional flavors in them – which still does. We thought the right way to solve our differences was through the barrel of a gun. Because we didn’t know any better. And we killed each-other like beasts – in 1972, 1973, 1974, 1978, 1980, 1981 and many more low level killings in between. I’m a survivor of that violent civil war and I’ve physical scares to prove it.

            Today, as a lucky veteran who survived the ugly experience of Eritrean history, I’ve made a commitment to myself and to my young Eritrean children, to be the loudest voice of anti civil war (solving differences through a barrel of a gun) for as long as I live on this planet. Because I don’t want any of my kids or grand-kids to do the crazy things my generation during our Ghedli years.

            Horizon: It is true, being very critical about Ghedli’s violent past, its mistakes, and its misdeeds is very important. It is true the ugly side of our past could say a lot about the current PFDJ regime. And it is very true looking at our past experience and observing our present reality, to some extent, it could help predict the direction of our future…..

            And on that, your advice is well taken. But keep in mind: Ethiopia’s experience of my generation is no different from that of our Ghedlis. The bloody civil war of EPRP, MEISON, EMALEDEH, ESEPA, EPLF, TPLF, EDU’s, OLF…… is a reminder of it all. Ethiopia’s past regimes history was not without failures and dark spots as well. Due to failures of successive Addis regimes, in the eyes of the world, Ethiopia has become synonyms with hunger. More than anything else, Haileselassie’s Ethiopia was remembered for the horrible images of the starvation in Wollo, Derg’s Ethiopia was remembered for the horrible images of Korem, and now half a century after Wollo and a quarter of a century after Korem, the world is witnessing in EPRDF’s Ethiopia suffering from hunger and starvation in Wollo, Ogaden…… and poor Ethiopians scavenging for food in piles and piles of waste lands. Now tell me: the past being the predictor of the future (your idea) what does that tell you about the future of Ethiopia?

            The point: Ethiopian elite who never believed our Revolution as a Just Revolution, Ethiopian elite who never wanted a viable state of Eritrea to exist as equal sovereign state to their north, Ethiopian elite who consistently deny and at times justify successive Ethiopian regimes atrocities toward Eritrean civilians, Ethiopian elite who go out of their way to justify Ethiopia’s occupation of sovereign Eritrean territories, Ethiopian elite who support every hostile actions taken by their government to punish starve humiliate Eritrea and Eritreans ……..

            Shedding crocodile tears here at Awate about the suffering of the Eritrean people during Ghedli and after, and trying to educate us how our Ghedli and our current government should have been run, and telling us in our face that the majority of Eritreans are Anti-Ghedli and Anti Eritrean independence, could only make you pause think and say:

            OH MY GOD! I THINK THEY TRULY BELIEVE WE’RE JUNIOR BRAINERS

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere T.,

            It is to your credit when you say that gedli is not beyond criticism, and there is no taboo in discussing it.
            About the crocodile tears – The truth is that nobody really has tears for nobody. It is all about national interest, and everything melts down to that.
            It is true that ethiopia had passed through all the things you mentioned above, and the spectre of famine is still around. Nevertheless, there is a big difference between a country that tries to do something about existing problems, and an other country that seems to have abandoned everything. The mass exodus of the young, for example, which is the Alpha and Omega of a country’s very existence, has been completed ignored. If there were not the need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on arms every year, because ethiopia has a neighbor with a past history of military adventures, and if there were no climate change (el Nino), which has affected east and southern Africa, and if the fruits of development has trickled down to the poor, may be the picture you described above might have been slightly different. Any way, the future seems brighter for ethiopia than for eritrea.
            If the present situation continues and ethiopia is forced to host more refugees from eritrea, who are going to remain confined to refugee camps in the most productive years of their lives, there will come a day when it is going to be a big social and political problem for ethiopia.
            Since independence what happens and does not happen in eritrea is the result of the actions of the eritrean regime, and I do not see any reason why Ethiopia should be responsible in any way.
            Finally, it is not really about educating or advising, rather it is all about the national interest of ethiopia as I said above, which will be to her advantage if she has a normal and a peaceful neighbor that is not hell bent to destabilize and undermine the country.

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon,

            ኣረ ባክህ undermining the very foundation of a country and addressing its current issues are two different things, and please stop using poor political refugees every time you run out of idea to score points. No one denies that Eritrea is suffering from a vicious dictatorship thus people are here discussing on post DIA Eritrea, but you, የኣፄ ልጆች, and other TPLF stooges are here foolishly trying to take advantage of the current situation. The things is when people engage you to help you understand don’t take it as out of concern rather to mitigate the level of distraction you guys are causing. And it is really funny when you act as if your country has no poproblems when in fact Ethiopia’s problem is far more worse than its neighbors with the state of emergency is now about to be extended again given all mechanisms used so far have failed to pacify the unrest. The Oromos, Amharas, Somalis, and Tigrean are eating each other mercilessly, and here you are bragging about hosting political refugees as if there are no Millions of Ethiopian economic refugees all over the world.

            Peace!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            Thank you for engaging, thank you for your respectful and sober response, and I really appreciate it. Now….

            Let me respond to your above comment.

            1. – “It is true that ethiopia had passed through all the things you mentioned above, and the spectre of famine is still around. Nevertheless, there is a big difference between a country that tries to do something about existing problems (Ethiopia), and an other country (Eritrea) that seems to have abandoned everything. ”

            I’m neither PFDJ cardholder nor a fan, but the stark difference between the two nations is hard to miss. One is stretching its hands for alms, the other is not. I don’t know about you, but I would rather be in Eritrea building roads bridges water reservoirs, working on farms, construction cites, on the front-line trenches defending Eritrea….. for 450 Nacfa rather than belonging to the hard-hit communities that are suffering with hunger (Wollo and Ogaden) or scavenging for food on waste fields.

            2. – “The mass exodus of the young, for example, which is the Alpha and Omega of a country’s very existence, has been completely ignored.”

            I’ve never ignored the exodus of our young. Believe me, it pains me to the core when I see young Eritreans perishing in the desert sands and fish infested high seas – trying to reach to the West. It pains me to see young Eritreans hopelessly stranded in hostile places (countries) which they never intended to stay. But without trying to exonerate the PFDJ regime from any wrongdoings, the exodus of our young is more complicated than a simple, blame it all to the PFDJ regime thing. The targeting, the coordinating of the messages, the blanket amnesty, the single file one narrow direction trekking, the funding and hiring of locals under different brand names, the elaborate demonizing campaign …….. could not all be for the Exceptionalism of Eritreans or the love of them –
            more than their African brothers. Ethiopians, Somalis, Sudanese… asking asylum as Eritreans says it all. Let me explain a little more:

            Exodus (brain drain) is a political tool that has been used for decades by the West to fine-tune Western policies. Exodus is a tool that has been used by the West as a means to bully poor small weak nations. Exodus is a tool that has been used by the West as a tool for regime change purposes. But this tool is loosing its potency very rapidly and I’m sure it will stop soon.

            The reason: (a) the world population is growing exponentially each year (b) Western countries take only less than 10-15% of the young that they lured to leave their country through their media – leaving all the burden to neighboring countries. Case in point: Lebanon Jordan…. (c) the anemic economic growth in the West couldn’t absorb flux of immigrants as they use to (d) Western public backlash towards immigrants (e) Western fatigue from never-ending regime change wars and the skyrocketing cost associated with these wars (f) little or no dividends from wars and destabilization projects of small poor countries….. just to mention some

            3. – If the present exodus (situation) continues and ethiopia is forced to host more refugees from eritrea, who are going to remain confined to refugee camps in the most productive years of their lives, there will come a day when it is going to be a big social and political problem for ethiopia.”

            Eritreans don’t go to Ethiopia, Ethiopia in mid (as final destination). Eritreans don’t go to Ethiopia looking for a job. Eritreans pass through Ethiopia to reach places (countries) where there is a job. Have you ever heard a story of an Eritrean, a Somali, a South Sudanese…… sending money to support his family back home working in Ethiopia?

            Ethiopia doesn’t have to burden itself with Eritrean refugees if “it is going to be a big social and political problem”. It can always close its borders. It is not closing its borders because (a) the Addis regime wanted to stay on the good side of the West (b) the Addis regime is getting paid handsomely in hard currency by the West for its service. That’s why.

            4. – “If there were not the need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on arms every year, because ethiopia has a neighbor with a past history of military adventures, and if there were no climate change (el Nino), which has affected east and southern Africa, and if the fruits of development has trickled down to the poor, may be the picture you described (hunger and starvation) above might have been slightly different.”

            A. – The hostility between Ethiopia and the nascent nation called Eritrea existed only for twenty years. Hunger, starvation, ዘበን-ኣካሒዳ: ዘበን-ጥምየት: ዘበነ-‘ምበጣ……. existed in the Habesha Land for centuries. How do you square that?

            B. – Please, please, please don’t blame el Nino or anyone else. Please don’t make excuses to your incompetent successive regimes. Famine and starvation are not fate, they are man-made misery that befall in a cursed society (lack good leaders). Famine and starvation are not caused by el Nino, failure of rain, failure of crops…… they are caused by failure of governments. Famine and starvation are caused by incompetent corrupt leaders, and as a result of misplacement and misappropriation of resources and funds.

            Ethiopia is endowed with natural resources every nation on this planet wish to have. Every Ethiopian region (or any other country’s region for that matter) is rich in human and natural resources. It just needs, a stable life, a good planning, a proper investment and – viola every region of a given nation becomes an asset instead of a liability.

            Now, to see why Ethiopia was suffering from hunger and starvation for the past sixty years, let me give you a little base to start with – and smart that you are, you’ll figure-out the rest.

            After the corrupted Imperial regime of Haileselassie and his family ruled Ethiopia for three decades, Ethiopians lost confidence on the imperial regime and stated revolting one region after another. First it was the Eritreans (1961) then the students demonstration in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971 then around 1972 1973 workers and career professionals joined the students, early 1974 the police forces later the army. Well, the army ended the imperial rule. Between 1968 and 1974, instead of social and economic developments, the imperial regime was consumed with maintaining order, security and policing works, salary improvements, making concessions, reshuffling cabinet positions, reforming its government……… all neglecting hard-hit communities (the starvation in Wollo) – which ended up being ‘the straw that broke the imperial back’.

            The 1984 Starvation: Three years after the fall of the imperial regime, and after three years of bloody internal power struggle, finally in 1977 Mengistu Hailemariams ended up being the winner. After his win, he chose an ideology and direction for his country – he chose the communist bloc. Then the West did what the West does – armed Somalia to invade Ethiopia, give affirmative nod to regional countries to arm and supply the Eritrean revolution, brain drain and vilification campaign started in full swing. Eritrea, all was occupied by Eritrean Ghedlis except few towns, Somalian army, with Western help advanced deep into Ethiopian territories (I believe 600-700 kms deep)……. And Derg consumed by wars on all directions plus internal divisions, neglected all Ethiopia’s social and economic needs and plans – and the rest is history.

            Now, the Woyanes consumed with policing, security, maintaining order, reshuffling cabinet positions…… sounds familiar: Right? Well, save your blame for el Nino, you might need it for the coming years. I hope I’m wrong, but all the bad signs are in place, to repeat history, again. And the potent killer for the Woyanes is going to be lack of the obvious. Lack of investment, which will lead to unemployment, poverty, hopelessness…… in the Ethiopian communities that need help the most. If proper planning and investment in the needy communities doesn’t happen, which I believe it won’t – all due to unrest, the outcome is very predictable – food shortage, hunger, starvation.

            Unrest creating instability, instability creating lack of investment and proper planning, lack of proper investment and proper planning in communities that need it the most crating misery, misery fueling hopelessness frustration anger violence……

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere T.,

            Thank you a lot for the discussions we are having. I really appreciate a lot the way you communicate. Our difference boils down to our opinions, which each one of us should respect, and not in our person. We do not know each other, most probably we will never meet person to person, and when one hurls an insult hiding behind a computer keyboard (whatever), it shows little about the victim, and a lot about the character of the abuser, and one is forced to say to oneself, thanks God, i will never ever meet during my lifetime this toxic person.

            Now to your comment: Let me ask you one simple question; would you send your sons/daughters and grandchildren to the eritrea you described above? I would not blame you if your answer is right out “not in my wildest dreams”. I am sure that the logical answer would have been ‘NO’ to the two extreme situations you have described.

            The most important point in the eritrean exodus is not the destination, but the source. What is the main reason eritreans are forced to leave their country? There is a simple answer for this; because they cannot live in eritrea as free human beings. it is because they have become the property of the regime, and because they have lost hope in the land they and their parents fought for. Economic reasons come as the last reason, because there is no free lunch anywhere, and human beings should care for themselves and their families. You are insinuating here that they are economic migrants and not refugees, when you say ‘can they send back any money to their families by working in ethiopia?’.

            I really find it difficult to understand when you say close your borders to children as young as eight years old, fleeing the land as they are being shot at. If you believe that ethiopia is opening her borders for the sake of foreign currency, the regime in eritrea can spoil ethiopia’s business of drawing advantage from hosting refugees, simply by giving freedom to its people, and thus allowing them to live in their own country as free citizens. Will the regime do it? Unfortunately, it will not even think of it.

            I never denied that undemocratic countries bring famine to their people, because of wrong policies and the absence of peace and stability in the country. That famous first bullet (1961), which you are proud of as the beginning of your arduous journey towards your independence (i cannot say freedom), was at the same time the day on which ethiopia lost her peace and stability for the coming sixty years or so, and of course the ensuing famines as the result of decades of war.

            You cannot simply cancel out climate change and military expenditure as the factors for the famines in africa. That will be unfair, and it is not going to support your point.

            Now, if you tell me that dictatorial regimes are immune to famine, i find it hard to accept. Nevertheless, they are good at hiding their problems, as in north Korea, where the world did not know about the great famine before a million people had already died. When two/third of the children under five in eritrea are malnourished, during the most important stage of the development of human brain, and they have physically stunted growth, please do not overlook and brush it aside, because it is going to show in the coming generations.

            (One last request to all of us. That is, if we could make our comments as short as possible. It will help a lot).

          • MS

            Dear Semere
            Well argued brother. With all sincerity, it is too much to process for these individuals. The Oromos have built a memorial statue in Arusi (a severed female breast and a severed hand sticking up for all to see) in memory of the thousands of Oromo and other nationalities who lost their lives or limbs during the barbaric excursions of Minilik aimed at grabbing more lands in order to form the current map of Ethiopia. Other social groups of Ethiopia are also putting up such memorial landmarks. Similar atrocities happened through centuries culminating into the all out war on defenseless civilians that we witnessed from the late 60s all the way to 1991. While Oromo and other impacted communities are erecting memorial landmarks, these individuals are asking us not to respond as to why we revolted; not to tell our story the way we lived it; they are pressuring us to bury and forget it; they are telling us to blame ourselves for the calculated and coldblooded atrocities….
            But make no mistake they are exploiting cracks that exist within and among us. There are weak links among Eritrean discussants and they are using them excellently.

          • Hi MS,

            As I was reading through your list of the crimes of menelik ii and amharas (although oromo soldiers and generals were also fighting on menelik’s side), i was wondering what you people were doing, tens of thousands of you, not once but twice, as askaris in ethiopia, and in somalia and libya. What was the role played by eritrean askaris during the 3 days of genocide in addis, in which unarmed citizens were machine gunned, bayoneted and burnt inside their homes, 30k of them in only 3 days. Your strongman was even proud of the achievements of eritrean askaris, by saying that they were the ones who carried out the occupations in the above mentioned countries, as proxies for the italians, and not the italians themselves. It was these eritrean askaris who were killing and dying on behalf of italians,

            I have read that throughout history occupation armies are accused of abducting and raping of women, but cutting women breasts seems to have come out of the same school that produced the emperor wanted the land and not the people, eritrea was an ethiopian colony although eritreans could be ministers and what not, the christian king was forcing muslims to change their religion, etc.

            Go on living in the past, but nothing is going to change. The future belongs to those who believe in it and work for it. True past history is educational and not a propaganda tool.

          • MS

            Selam Horizon
            One: Please have courage and tell all of that to the Oromos. Remember, it is the Oromos who have built that statue in Arusi. If you could convince them that Eritrean Askaris inflicted those atrocities on them, good luck. BTW: there were no Eritrean Askaris during those years in which the said crimes happened, and there was no Italian presence in those areas during the time period. Reading history requires that you relax and be able to comprehend what you are reading: open your mind brother.
            Two: Your line of argument does not correspond to the line of thought you are responding to. This too requires you read stuff open-mindedly. I am speaking of rulers and not about Amara people or the poor soldiers who were sent to commit those atrocities. You are accusing Eritrean conscripts, and Eritreans at large. I will leave it there because the weakness of your tirade is obvious. I never accused Amara people, or the Ethiopian people or even the poor Ethiopian soldiers who flooded Eritrea. I accuse rulers. I don’t know why any peace-loving Amara person should feel ashamed of atrocities that the rulers of Ethiopia had committed. I just don’t get it.
            Three: I’m not Issayas, even with that, IA’s mention of the Askaris was in a different context than the one you are using.
            Four: Regardless of the merit of assertion, trying to rationalize Minilikj’s over atrocities over Oromia by invoking Italian aggression over Ethiopia is just the most absurdist argument I have read or heard.
            Fifthly: From what I read, I’m sure you also feel proud of Minilik’s severing of the limbs of captured Eritrean conscripts while letting go captured Italian soldiers untouched. If you need more of this, I have some despicable accounts.
            Six: I know you raise this at your convenience, but I think the two heroes who have been paraded as Ethiopian heroes were Eritreans, Mogos Asgedom and Abraham Deboch were Eritreans. But for get all of that and just present your argument to the Oromo people.
            Seven: Never mind about the future. You love to wallow in the past attacking Eritrean character, now you want to pontificate about the future!! zeyHafr dmu Geremariam smu!!!! [Anyone is welcome to translate it for you, i’m afraid I won’t get the meaning correctly, nut it is a fitting Tigrigna saying].

          • Peace!

            Hala Mahmuday,

            The best way to translate that is to find him similar proverb. I think this fits pretty good:

            ‹‹ጅብ በማያዉቁት ሀገር ሂዶ ቆርበት አንጥፉልኝ አለ አሉ››.

            I hope he understands Amharic because occasionally we translate Amharic to English for the proud Ethiopian awatista, Kim Hanna.

            Peace!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam MS,
            .
            I was about to respond in kind to your usual convoluted statements, but what is the point. The processing mechanism is corrupted.
            .
            As a closing statement, I was going to ask if you, yourself, have successfully washed, cleaned, your own hands. What kind of virtual detergent did you use to be able to sit on your high horse to review history.
            I guess that is one of the small benefits of having a corrupted processing mechanism.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon,

            Totally WRONG! Reading is fundamental.

            Peace!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MS,

            You need to stick to Ethiopian governments’ atrocities in Eritrea, which are plenty.

            The Oromo issue is intricate and complicated, it is best to keep clear.

          • Mez

            Dear Semere,

            You brought a lot of good points mired with subject irrelevant topics.
            1) “…My generation was the most violent generation Eritrea ever witnessed. …”
            I would argue INACCURATE.

            The ASKARIS–if not mistaken over 90% of Eritrean abled men at one time–as a tool of the Italian Fasismus, were the worst in their international extent and damage.

            -Ghedli probably had done two things: the independence of the country, and a deep division among it’s people.

            2) For gods sake, please leave out (ethiopia,amhara, tigre,oromo,….) when you deal with Eritrean internal problem–that would just burry further down important topics instead of addressing them.

            Do you agree with my points?

            Thanks

        • Mez

          Dear Nitric,

          Eritrea and Eritrean are being tarnished be PIA–that day in day out–; Hayat is the least responsible person in this regard.

          How you miss this General Nitric?

          Thanks

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, my favorite Eritrean website next to Awate, Erimedrek is reporting of ongoing skirmishes between Eritrean and Ethiopian troops in various border areas: Badme, Tserona, and Irob. The military clashes are accompanied with bombardments by heavy weapons, even it is reported the Ethiopian air force has attacked a weapons depot in a place called Elala, putting on fire the weapons there. Again it seems the temperature is increasing between the two sides, and again it is the poor people of both countries who are going to pay the brunt of the adventurous unrelenting policies of both regimes. These recent waves of fighting have started after Ethiopian armed opposition groups have allegedly atttacked the Ethiopian army starting from the Eritrean territories.
    Both sides have to stop the agenda of regime change towards each other, and I strongly believe that the pfdj regime has to accept the offer of wide ranging peace talks with the aim of normalizing the relationship as well as demarcating the border based on the eebc ruling.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Abraham,
      Do you have any news on Monkey? Did anything happen to him in Italy?

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Hayat, yes, I’ve read on assena that Yemane Monkey and the pfdj ambassador to Italy were assaulted in Rome. It is not clear the extent of their injuries, but there are rumors that Monkey’s injuries are more serious. It seems that some very angry Eritreans have begun to take matters on their own.

    • Mez

      Dear Abraham,
      I don’t see , necessarily, any escalation here–even if advanced weapons were used; such epiods are more of sporadic and shortliving. I would postulate there is a labil peace which seems to hold even for a while in the future–like everywhere in conflict ridden part of yhe world.

      Neither of the two countries have the capability to destroy the other without self destruction; that is why you see the status where they are in no-war no-peace state of the bilateral relation. Both governments know that precisely.

      If you observe closely, neither of them have the will to start a full scale war–not because of their respect and love to their people, but due to the uncertainty of their
      power base and security after the war.

      One reason of the activities what you mentioned may be 1) the GERD dam progress towards its completion, 2) the increased FDI inflow to the region, 3) the appealing (for Eritran governm ent to sway its way) social unrest in Ethiopia, 4) the refugee influx stress across europe, 5) the increased engagement of China in the countries including Eritrea , the list goes on…

      The other challenge for both governments is: the one cannot accept the other’s peace proposal, as that would bring an avalanche of internal social arrest.
      For a real peace process to happen , there must be a new political push–be it induced by local, regional or global variables.
      Thanks

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Mez, “The other challenge for both governments is: the one cannot accept the other’s peace proposal, as that would bring an avalanche of internal social arrest.”. I have yet to see any peace proposal from the Eritrean regime; It has been one song all the time: Ethiopia must accept the final and binding eebc rulings. The Ethiopian regime, however, has been calling for direct peace talks as early as the war’s end in 2000, irrespective of its honesty. Isayas knows very well that the current no peace no war is the best opportunity he could get to satisfy his insatiable appetite for power by selling it to his blind followers and even moderate Eritreans as well as for exploiting Eritrea’s human and material resources for his personal benefit. He doesn’t want to play with fire that could, certainly end his privilaged absolute dictatorial rule of Eritrea. Similarly Ethiopia doesn’t need to engage Isayas militarily; there is no use of shedding blood and resources aganist a dead regime, which is only capable of small scale disruptions by supporting the Ethiopian armed groups.

  • said

    Greeting
    Evangelical Christian right changing American land scape.
    To start with I am for idea and for the school of social gospel’s , that promotes the well-being of the people and the planet, as well as love, justice, peace, and compassion over money, power and profit ,church Movement leaders who took Jesus’ message of love “love thy neighbor” into their pulpits. To be a Christian, they argued, one needed to walk in Jesus’s footsteps. What would Jesus do? became a central theme of the social gospel movement. the late Rauschenbusch began his career in the 1880s, asserted equality and a just society and that religion’s chief purpose was to create the highest quality of life for all citizens. His example inspired many mid-20th century activists, including Martin Luther King Jr. As king wrote in late 50th It has been my conviction ever since reading Rauschenbusch that any religion which professes to be concerned about the souls of men and is not concerned about the social and economic conditions that scar the soul, is a spiritually moribund religion only waiting for the day to be buried. Although many of its primary leaders come out of liberal Protestant denominations, the religious left. they unite around the social gospel belief that religious faith must be committed to the transformation of social structures.

    Coming to my topic and summarized and subject in my own interpretation and understanding and For those interested to find out more in the Recent article by Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa, on catholic publication La Civiltà Cattolica by two allies of Pope Francis in a Vatican-reviewed publication, is taking on the “spurious alliance between politics and religious fundamentalism” in the United States, they call out the dominionist groups “composed mainly of whites from the deep American South” for their rejection of the “global ecological crisis” and their Armageddon-infused rhetoric, pointedly drawing parallels to extremist Islamic fundamentalism. And they name names: This is the doctrine that feeds political organizations and networks such as the Council for National Policy and the thoughts of their exponents such as Steve Bannon, currently chief strategist at the White House and supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics. evangelical fundamentalists who desire “religious influence in the public sphere.
    Spadaro and Figueroa call this a false ecumenism, “an ecumenism of conflict that unites them in the nostalgic dream of a theocratic type of state” and that “wants walls and purifying deportations.” By contrast, they say, Francis’ ecumenism “moves under the urge of inclusion, peace, encounter and bridges.” In article It claims that fake religious arguments are being used to demonise segments of the population – particularly when it comes to migrants and Muslims – and to promote the US as a nation that is blessed by God, without ever taking into account the “bond between capital and profits and arms sales”. The article says that Christian fundamentalism and Old Testament appeals to the apocalypse have shown themselves “not to be the product of a religious experience but a poor and abusive perversion of it”.
    For those interested by Recent article by Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa, on catholic publication La Civiltà Cattolica by two allies of Pope Francis in a Vatican-reviewed publication, is taking on the “spurious alliance between politics and religious fundamentalism” in the United States,t hey call out the dominionist groups “composed mainly of whites from the deep American South” for their rejection of the “global ecological crisis” and their Armageddon-infused rhetoric, pointedly drawing parallels to extremist Islamic fundamentalism. And they name names:This is the doctrine that feeds political organizations and networks such as the Council for National Policy and the thoughts of their exponents such as Steve Bannon, currently chief strategist at the White House and supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics. evangelical fundamentalists who desire “religious influence in the public sphere.
    Spadaro and Figueroa call this a false ecumenism, “an ecumenism of conflict that unites them in the nostalgic dream of a theocratic type of state” and that “wants walls and purifying deportations.” By contrast, they say, Francis’ ecumenism “moves under the urge of inclusion, peace, encounter and bridges.” In article It claims that fake religious arguments are being used to demonise segments of the population – particularly when it comes to migrants and Muslims – and to promote the US as a nation that is blessed by God, without ever taking into account the “bond between capital and profits and arms sales”. The article says that Christian fundamentalism and Old Testament appeals to the apocalypse have shown themselves “not to be the product of a religious experience but a poor and abusive perversion of it”.
    Trump has never convincingly spoken of having religious faith, but won the overwhelming support of white evangelical Christians in the 2016 election.
    Presently, up to 40 percent of the U.S. public believes in Creationism or sort of ntelligent Design. And nearly a third of the population, close to 93 million people, consider themselves to be evangelical mostly white and working class, . Today evangelicalism promoted by the Christian right is very opposite and fundamentally different from the evangelicalism and past fundamentalism emphasis on personal piety of over a century ago they avoided the contamination of politics. has been replaced by called so Dominions to build a America based on ” Biblical Law and Christian teaching “. a new dominion over America to build a Christian society, according to white evangelical guru John Rushdoony in his 1970th book. The evangelical theologist Rushdoony as the father of today’s American Christian fundamentalism, and calls Bannon an exponent of this philosophy. Their god choosing state will come about with the total physical eradication of the forces of Satan. It is the duty of the evangelical church and other to elect to “rescue” the world so Jesus Christ can return on earth . America’s fundamentalists evangelicals promises that the America secular nation and humanist society will be physically destroyed .People who are considered social deviants, Jews, Muslims, criminals, nominal Christians who do not embrace the Christian right’s will be silenced. The poor, condemned for indolence and sinfulness. Biblical Law will prevail and the Ten Commandments will form the basis America legal system. Those who are Jews, Muslims and other who practice other faiths will become,second-class citizens and will treated eventually outcasts. The wars in the Middle East nation ,the battle against satanic under different name already started and will be defined as religious crusades against godless nation. In new America there will be no separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson separation of church and state, will be ignored . The only legitimate voices will be fundamentalist Christian rights .”America will become an agent of fundamentalist God. Those who defy the white evangelicals Christian power and authorities will be branded as agents of Satan.

    the Christian right. with its vast television empire network of super megachurches, schools throughout United state , America’s fundamentalists universities and law schools and its vast radio Christian Broadcasting Network, like Pat Robertson are very influential . and is a potent ally for a beleaguered GOP and Donald Trump’ White House. The Christian fundamentalists right has been working hard and well organized and preparing to control and influence and eventually take power for preparing themselves for decades. Trump had over 80 percent of white evangelicals support behind him. in the name of religious liberty and allow white evangelicals churches to become active in politics .

    Trump life is record ho is a very public, an adulterer, has no regard for the basic honesty and truth, is consumed by money and greed, Trump does not know the Bible as it should be , Trump on record legally an systematically defrauds and cheats contractors, Trump expresses a crude misogyny and an even narcissism. The realty is and very In fact, these are the very characteristics that define most of the leaders of the extreme fundamentalists Christian right.

    In order to satisfy fundamentalists, Trump has rolled back civil rights legislation and business and environmental regulations. with white men in charge and token black . Trump has elevated several stalwarts of the Christian right into power—Mike Pence to the vice presidency, Jeff Sessions to the Justice Department soon to be fired because he as weak , Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, right-wing Betsy DeVos to the Department of Education, she is against public school, Tom Price to Health and Human Services and big time loser Ben Carson to Housing and Urban Development. Is well known Trump embraces the white supremacy, bigotry, American chauvinism, greed, religious intolerance, anger and racism that define the America’s fundamentalists Christian right.

    The followers of the America’s fundamentalists Christian right, like Trump and his minion trust, including extreme fundamentalist Stephen Bannon trump advisor , is well known to be Manicheans . Bannon see the world in simplistic way black and white, good and evil, them and fundamentalists Christian . Trump’s call in his speech in Poland for a crusade against the godless hoards of Muslims fleeing from the wars and chaos ,that America and west created.

    America’s fundamentalists Christian right super church owned and well versed pastors prey on their poor soul followers by asking for charity for upkeep for their Megachurch by asking and pressuring symbolic offerings love gifts, 10% tithes and donations and by selling false miracle healings along with all kind of prayer clothes, and enriching self-help books, video recordings and even supernatural vitamins and protein.
    These religious Pastors have established within their evangelical churches despotic fiefdoms. , as their man in whit house president Trump did in his fiefdom businesses,. Holy Pastors cannot be questioned or challenged any more than their hero , superficial and attention seeking Trump could be challenged on the reality television show Apprentice that brought fame . And Christian right Pastors seek to mimic and replicate their little tyrannies on a America national scale, with their hidden agenda and extreme Christian Right white men in charge of white house .
    The personal piety of most of the ministers who lead the Christian right is a facade. Their private lives are usually marked by hedonistic squalor that includes mansions, private jets, limousines, retinues of bodyguards, personal assistants and servants, shopping sprees, lavish vacations and sexual escapades that rival those carried out by Trump. And because they run “churches,” in many cases church funds pay for their tax-free empires, including their extravagant lifestyles. They also engage in the nepotism found in the Trump organization, elevating family members to prominent or highly paid positions and passing on the businesses to their children.
    the problems of American ignorance, religious fundamentalism, market neoliberalism, they are not prepared to tolerate, to learn listen, take advice, or think rationally.

    America’s fundamentalists belief in the Christian God only , and the End Times, fuels the far-right wing belief that the United States can do no wrong in foreign policy and even domestically. most Americans perceive themselves as classless; or at least part of a broad middle class, where the factories and industrious can get ahead and egalitarianism is encouraged. But the realty is Americans as often do not give dame, they pay lip-service to promoting an egalitarian and fair society, wealth inequality continues to deepen much more with 1% in control of US wealth .
    Again and again Americans vote against their pocket and economic interests, blaming others ,like anti-intellectualism among right-wingers, and makes an important connection between religious fundamentalism and market fundamentalism. Long history of how a racial divide play major paly due to slavery, segregation, and structural racism has kept poor white America from being allies of blacks joining forces with minorities to form faire economic and a class-based political identity.
    Christian fundamentalism America has deepened its commitment towards uninformed policy positions and demonstrates a lack of empathy regarding health care and a lack of planetary awareness regarding climate change.
    Christian rights religious extremists, Christian fundamentalism, gun loving , and a sad situation a plutocratic economic structure controls the lives of average citizens. they are hard core ,unhinged, mentally ill. mainstream American culture and its political system are coming into a steep decline.

    • Mez

      Dear Said,

      Please read the following book and come back:
      “One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America
      Book by Kevin M. Kruse”

      Thanks

      • Selamat meMherey Mez,

        I am afraid I will have to do my homework, which you have assigned said, first. i.e. Read the Book by Kevin M. Kruse and come back. Preemptively, though, I will state my disagreement with your pitch and tone that ring to indicate or imply that Christian America is ungodly. Unless you have a conclusion you have drawn from Kevin M. Kruse’s book that the OWNER, as my Pastor L.Cannon put it tonight at V.B.S, yes the Owner and Weaver of all weaved Corporate America to strengthen the body of Christ which is the Church of All Christian America.

        Besides don’t most of us know corporations to inundate us with everything including the kitchen’s sink with their advertisements to distract us from the message of the Christ and Savior Jesus?

        To love our neighbor being the message, I assign you the H.W. to contemplate a perspective on Mr. Saleh Johar Ghadi’s current focus on Islamic Scholars (or Islamic evangelists, if you will) as well as for you to gain perspective to our Brother said’s share above. Also, how does anyone who has arrived come back? Meaning said has been is and will be here;) yet you say to him “…and come back”, hence the tone and pitch presumption.

        Forty years ago it was the Sheikh one of four huts in the second quadrant that all families from the first, third and fourth four hut quadrants fully put their faith in God for the Sheikh to deliver them to safety from the inferno raging at the Eritrean Town of Teseney. The Sheikh in Hilet Sudan, now viewing in retrospect, had foresight to have fortified one hut with bricks (TTuub) and for three days and nights he sheltered from AK47 bullets all Sixteen huts in One in the hut he fortified. Eritrean Christians, Muslims and Kunama in one hut praying to the God to protect them all from the mortars or aerial bombs. The Sheikh of Hilet Sudan did his Selah with his his infant daughter beside him. I have recollected the story of how during one of his prayers how his infant daughter was struck by an Ak47 bullet and flew more than Ten yards from the mat. After the Sheikh recovered his daughter we all were relieved to discover it was only the thumb of the infant that was a casualty. The Sheikh lead all sixteen huts if not the entire neighborhood to Gash. I tell this story to emphasize to our Eritrean Christian Brothers that should view not as a threat but a blessing and encouragement when Islamic Scholars are preaching, discussing God’s Word and God’s will.

        In John 13:34-35 Out Lord and Savior Jesus Christ spake this: “34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

        I am quite certain our Hilet Sudan, Teseney Sheikh, Forty years ago, had a surAA commanding him the same. I can only recollect the safety and comfort the adults felt as we the children felt a lot more secure than when we were under the AAngeriebs in our respective huts. The trust, love and faith all felt towards the sheikh, in retrospect tells me the the Sheikh was and is indeed a disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ.

        I believe we have all read Abu llays Al-Jeberti’s: “Consider this, Moses has been mentioned – by name – in the Quran a whopping 136 times, Jesus 25 times and our prophet Mohammed, pbuh, by name 4 times!”

        I have read SJG for nearly Two decades now. His current introspection project he shares publicly reassures me that God is indeed “the story weaver” for each and every single individual. I can confidently say Saleh has come a looooonnnnngggg wayyyy and has a very long road ahead of him. His current path I can only encourage him to step firmly on. ….

        … And the iThree Dragonflies approached me with care inquired if I am a lot more relieved from my stresses… In the affirmative my response was as the goalie was rendered NOT on his POST for Team Alona… And of the placards, controversies, hype… Publice Enemy#1 rapped “Don’t believe the hype.”.. .. TBC…

        AbuAAshera Weapon X – Evolution
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        tSAtSE

        • Ismail AA

          Selam tSAtSE Solomon wedi Hawey,
          Let us hope we help Saleh to complete the “very long road ahead of him.”
          Mis selamta.

        • Mez

          ይድረሥ ለክቡር መምኅር ግሣፄ,

          My seasoned greetings first!

          I appreciate your highly insightful reply.

          Your point of view of:
          “…hence the tone and pitch presumption….”

          is well understood. I am an Orthodox Christian believer; no ambiguity here.

          In my response to Said, I wanted to type as few words as possible–but at the same time to engage him; hence the advice and wish of mine to ” …. read and come back….”

          I hope you know the legendary story of: ” ….no free lunch….”

          Thanks as usual my respected መምኅር ግሣፄ

          • Kbri yhabeley meMhirey Mez,

            It seems you are conserving time, as in pressed for time, judging from your “few words as possible” thrice engagements with both Bro. Said and yours truly.

            Though I concur with the “no such thing as
            free lunch..” allow me to state the following:

            When say a billionaire dines thrice daily for months, years even perhaps decades, do you suppose he/she considers whether or not a McDs happy meal or on an Italian herbs and cheese sandwich was free? In other words, to whom does a free lunch matters most, a wage earner or a millionaire? Is not the whole idea of economics and or trade for the sole purposes of “free lunches and all other meals?

            Ahh economics gains and losses to the reaches of Germany’s Autobond speed limit riches, brings us fool circle to pitches, notes and tones of The Corporate model.

            Where as monopolies are regulated with anti trust laws in the USA, freedom of congregation and worship, in Eritrea only four huts are sanctioned by the government. A collusion of sorts, appearing secular yet dictating to the Four huts of worship for the single authoritarian mega –
            monopoly. Hence the call for the Eritrea’s Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant to heed the Lord and Savior’s words in John 13:34-35.
            …. …. … Summer VBS hour… And you dear teacher are pressed for time.
            Incidentally, in the bay area Christians cook, serve and feed three meals plus daily. In o.w., the Grace of God is indeed a free meal…

            Respectfully,

            meM.tSAtSE

      • said

        Selam MZ

        Thank you for your recommendations. The first company incorporated It goes way back with first settlement with arrival white man in Americas, as per record and reported the inception of the sad history of Indentured servitude began in a big way in the early 1600s, when the Virginia Company was establishing a beachhead in the (newly stolen from the Indians) colony of Virginia (named after the “virgin queen” Elizabeth I, who signed the charter of the BEIC creating the first modern corporation in 1601). Jamestown (named after King James, who followed Elizabeth I to the crown) wanted free labor, and the African slave trade wouldn’t start to crank up for another decade.
        So the company made a deal with impoverished Europeans: Come to work for typically 4-7 years (some were lifetime indentures, although those were less common), legally as the property of the person or company holding your indenture, and we’ll pay for your transport across the Atlantic.
        It was, at least philosophically, the logical extension of the feudal economic and political system that had ruled Europe for over 1,000 years. The rich have all the rights and own all the property; the serfs are purely exploitable free labor who could be disposed of (indentured servants, like slaves, were commonly whipped, hanged, imprisoned, or killed when they rebelled or were not sufficiently obedient).May be this will remind you a country ruled by kingdom in same manner of Indentured servitude for long and not to long vanished from history.

        • Mez

          Dear Said,

          What is your point, please.

          Thanks

          • said

            Selam MeZ

            As you might know the demand for transparency also would come from one’s god, as religion requires soul-searching. In our region also we have an absolute monarchs and kings ? ruled by royalty decree ,ask any of those who embraced the federalist their dream country you get the answer ,they try to restore capital E’—s greatness and superiority .I am not talking the King of the Roman Gods, the country E for most worships God and not the King. But some say the king ruled with Divine legitimacy, I am not sure of this. But Sadly in time, reality and moral truth caught up with King and his royal administration vanished by one his trusted colonial (MHM) . since you are or you seem to be Jesus’ warning is always timely : “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothes, but inwardly are ferocious wolves. You will know them by their fruits.” (Matthew 7: 15-17)
            I do not know what is point you asked ,you figure it out yourself . I can not fully explain my motives in any persuasive way that you will understand and the white settler and nationalist crewel agenda was from day meant to conquer and destroy ,some time in the name of the company .Millions of native ingenious people have perished in the merciless war against them, many towns and villages were totally destroyed white settler who calmed to believe in god and they forgot they shall not kill .and let just leave it there,

          • Mez

            Dear Said,

            Thanks for your thoughts.

  • blink

    Dear Hayat
    You think I know nothing about GY , You think I have no clue about GY views ,you are mistaken . Again let me read your take on the article, what did you say “nada”. you are one of them and you are here to make lies as usual. You wanted to debate ,debate with people you believe you can make lies and run with it. Making lies and outrageous assumptions about Eritreans revolution will never be your strong side. Whether I care or not is up to me and I really do not care about such people to be honest with you and this is more than we bargained to say the least . Your run around looking for your green and I don’t mind burning them. I can give you more information about GY than the list Ghezae gave you but for a very good reason I want you to have none.

    • Hayat Adem

      blink,
      You are running out of gas. You said nothing. You don’t have to write to say nothing. Take time and come back when you feel you have save enough.

      • blink

        Dear Hayat
        Would it be ok for you if I accepted your fabricated villages?? Or the numbers , choose which one do you want? A compulsive liar 🤥 will feel comfortable , when ? Tell me and I will obey for the sake of making you feel important.

        • Hayat Adem

          blink,
          Hmmm, you have lowered your voice now. You are about right-sized. This has been a long way but worth it. Now, few other things: You can’t make me feel important because I am one already. And you can’t make someone feel important or unimportant when you are not one.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            You are one !! Where ?? you give credentials and call yourself senior brainer for making lies . You must be living alone . Here is the truth about you “” you are none . When people catch you making lies , you run around and praise your imaginary and inaccurate world. Hayat ,it seems you are becoming mentally committed to failure. You are an empty gallon, go make noise and I will make sure to throw you to your favorite personality.
            Again which village do you want me to register as new Eritrean village.

  • Abu-Ilyas Al-Jeberti

    Salaam Saleh,

    I have been following Awate for many years though not commented publicly until now. So, here we go;

    Firstly, I personally know Sheikh Mohammed Juma because I have close relatives on both sides of the Atlantic. Now, Sheikh Mohammed Juma is the embodiment of tolerance. Besides his vast knowledge of Islam he is actually one who implements it in his own life. He’s been counseling the youth not only in matters of religion but also other matters like marriage etc.

    Secondly, I participate, with our Muslim community, in an inter-faith dialogue group that connects with local churches in our area. I cannot count how many church services I have attended so far. Likewise, the group from the church has been attending our mosque regularly. I guess nothing unusual for any Muslim let alone an Eritrean – even for one who has never, consciously, lived in Eritrea (left the country at the age of 3).

    Having said this, I take umbrage at the analogy and the title of this piece. You used the “cave” as in for people who just came out of a cave, backward, uninformed, intolerant etc, however the analogy with Quranic chapter name and the subsequent story is, in my view, totally misplaced. For the real story of the people of the cave is about a group of righteous young men who defied authority, steadfast young men who defied social conformism to authority and a corrupted belief system. You see, can take this story and project it to the courageous young men who launched the Eritrean revolution and countless other instances like the young men in Egypt who protested in Tahrir square.

    So, Saleh, please remember that we as Muslims must have the highest reverence to the Quran for it is the word of Allah and any usage of analogy has to take this into account. I believe this is lacking, an honest mistake maybe, in this piece. I hope you will read this comment and correct it.

    Finally, Muslims are strongly encouraged to read this particular chapter of the Quran every Friday and I am so fascinated by this chapter because of the mysteries contained within, to name one, the story of Moses. Consider this, Moses has been mentioned – by name – in the Quran a whopping 136 times, Jesus 25 times and our prophet Mohammed, pbuh, by name 4 times!

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam Brhan,

    You are happy a woman walked in the streets wearing a skirt. I wonder to what kind of society you want to change us. I think we are heading to more degeneration than a positive change and decent life.

    Al-Arabi

  • said

    Greeting,
    Thank you for your thoughtful and enlightening article as always.

    One start with grace and Marci to all humanity that embodies a life grounded in a profound commitment to pursuing justice, peace ,equality, equal opportunity, good social transformation and deep, meaningful relationships with all our people . a lot of us are for some reason are pessimistic in reactionary mode. It’s not going to end if we spend our preciouses time, energy and resources just reacting and counter reacting . Thinking about how to move forward in a different way. Our main commonalities in the different struggles for justice to prevail . How do we get back to that? How do we re-engage the Eritrean collectively from every segment of civil society ,influential group ,respected religious leader and even arts so that we can have deep expression coming from our young artists and artistic creativity as we should continue to speak truth to power. We are all struggling on so many fronts with few negligible resources except for our strong will, hope and commitment to what we think is god giving right. More and more of us — and it happen so much now in the Eritrean community — are recognizing the importance and power of coming together and joining efforts with one another and across our divers communities. It’s about much more than being an ally or solidarity . It’s about being like a family. First how cultivate that in ourselves and the younger Eritrean generation. How do we engage and harness that. Think of those they scarify for higher Couse and give their lives to protect others lives. we need to move as brotherly human beings. support and Standing up for each other in a real authentic and sincere way and strong committed to human dignity is good start .
    We need to create open platforms for our people to express themselves openly and democratically when they have something they want to articulate and say. They need to know their own opinion and voices really matter and that they have something to say ,in their own way to contribute because they are first human, because they are part of the human race, because we are all part of humanity together.
    While it is, of course, true that no one person makes a movement, we also learn from our tradition and respected elderly wisdom, grace, compassion and kindness have powerfully impacted in so many ways and our people will need a true leader and visionary . One group or ethnic does not make a movement. We nee to act as human based on love and care of each other ,like sisterhood and brotherhood, for working for justice, accountability, integrity, kindness, mutual help and create philanthropy to help the need of us and being generally good and useful and beneficial to others.
    The simple short answer for me it comes to defending people’s life and their rights. Eritrean people fought and died for their human rights and worthy of defending human life and to protect the right to life to the fullest possible extent, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights , —- . one important single issues rights to Life . that make life worth living without fear . A country dedicated to life and Let’s start with life. And that’s just to start down a long list of issue ,like to establish democracy ,Justice and liberty

    Coming back to the above article To the simple-minded non-versed in Sharia and Islamic teachings of a commoner in my own category, the hidden esoteric meanings and ultimate purposes in the vast Qur’anic reciting and verses can easily escape the wisdom and limited cognitive abilities of the mundane, both at the time of Prophet Mohammad(PUH), and later in future generations in the example of the moment, more than 14 centuries after the time of the Qur’anic revelations.

    I could never, as a commoner unlearned in the deep wisdom of the Qur’anic verses, rise to fully understand or forever be able to sufficiently correctly interpret the esoteric wisdom and the messages contained in the Qur’anic verses, the words of God. However, still, and as the message is intended to all mankind for the ultimate guidance of mankind to the righteous path for the ultimate salvation of human’s soul, one still, the ever-fallible mortals we are, draws one’s interpretations and measured conclusions irrespective of one’s relative level of knowledge in Islamic teachings and one’s limited cognitive abilities. This is more true as we all held accountable for our actions and deed as they conform or deviate from God’s instructs as revealed to mankind through the ministry of Prophets, including that of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) . To be a true Muslim means to be good to your neighbour and to be upright citizen, wishing well and peace to all and constantly a doer of good, to become its embodiment at all levels of moral and spiritual life, and to become a source and conduit of all righteousness and virtue to others. Islam was never meant to be a religion of an abstract philosophy, an empty shell or a bombastic oratory, and or impossible and impractical ideals and standards.

    Stopped me in this vein, with the qualifying caveat above as to my short cognitive abilities and lack of knowledge in Islamic teachings, the significance and relevance of certain Qur’anic verses in one of the Qur’anic revelations as conveyed to Prophet Mohammad (PUH), by the Archangel Gabriel.As summarized By Saphic Omer . Though the surah (chapter) is called al-Kahf, the Cave, the message presented therein is that the successful and complete implementation of the Islamic message is not compatible with the notions of caves, monasticism, strict asceticism, isolation and excessive idealism. , which means submission of one’s total being to the Will and Authority of Almighty Allah, the Creator and Master of the universe. Islam as a complete code of existence also means to live life not according to our shallow and manipulative wills and plans, but according to the absolute Will and Plan of our Creator and the Creator and Overseer of life

  • Saleh Johar

    Ahlam Brhan,

    (Do you check your email? Please do)

    In normal circumstances, I would agree with you we have to teach the cave men (no cave women so far, thanks God) but sometimes, you expect a student to graduate not remain sitting in the same bench, in the same class for years, always failing. Also, what we are facing now is not people with good intentions who want to learn, but an army of disrupters who want to occupy our thinking faculty and desecrate everything dear to us. It is a fight and we have to fight back. The educators can bother about educating the disrupters if they so wish. I have had it my dear.

    Please call.

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam Blink and Hayat,

    “the only thing we have, Ghezae, is our sovereignty for whatever its worth…eta hanti zelatNa luulawnet iya tihMek TiXebk”

    I knew Ghirmay for long while until he departed.

    I knew of his perennial analytic disposition; his love of politics of every kind, his evolving views.

    I visited him many times; showing me of his started articles; his finished ones… his website, the bahrenegashcom.

    For now, I would focus on his evolving views.

    He focused on human rights activism and refugee succor for many years; then shifted mostly to political commentary on the regime; then on history.

    When he called Awate an ‘ordinary shifta’, I replied, ”anta Ghirmay if he is a leader of the revolution that shook the foundations of nations, ended up creating a new nation, at least call him ‘an extraordinary shifta. ”

    At any rate, he knew of my nationalist, proud-to-be-Eritrean persona.

    Few months ago, after his passing, our colleague Lon Adi (Adiam) contacted me to inquire how much he changed his position against the Ethiopian leaders, the Woyanes. I didn’t follow his facebook entries closely, but I knew he positioned himself against the EPRDF in the last few years.

    For those who knew him, he was never a lover of EPRDF. He liked Meles Zenawi generally; his smartness, his wiles; but not the way EPRDF conduct its business. He could be more of old-style-Ethiopianist closer to many Amhara point of view; not fond of ethnic federalism.

    In the latest Ethiopian rebellion of (Amhara and Oromo), he clearly favored the underdog and attacked EPRDF’s suppression of the uprising.

    On Eritrea, Ghirmay was an ELF fighter and ended up disliking the Eritrean rebel movements. He has deep sympathy for the people; for the young; for refugees. He says EPRDF has evil plans on Eritrea and he was very convinced of that.
    He loves to be a maverick and a complicated man, holding nuanced positions.

    After cancer ravaged his body, few months before his death, I was more touched to hear him say, ” we got nothing but the only thing we have, Ghezae, is our sovereignty for whatever its worth…eta hager wala hanti yeblan g’n eta hanti zelatNa luulawnet iya tihMek TiXebk…”
    He was evolving towards the very end.
    I hope that helps understanding the man, Ghirmay Yebiyo.
    Yours,
    Ghezae Hagos

    • Hayat Adem

      Ghezaee,
      Thanks a lot. My only complaint is that you haven’the shared this with us earlier. I would have also liked you said few things about his humanitarian helps. Nonetheless, you did good with this one. That is why fanatics are so dangerous when they are so loose and badmouth people they hardly know.

    • blink

      Dear Ghezae
      Thanks for the In put, Even though every One can visit HIS website , the man’s view on awate was unacceptable for me. I know the guy and i intend to remain silent on his personal beliefs about EPRDF, I also wish not to talk about his evolving beliefs of Eritrea. I am not a fanatic nor a hard nationalist but the notion ever thing about our past is dirt annoyingly makes me question about the final goal of such view. A man who insult Our founding fathers for fighting colonial powers is no good teacher of the future that is how I understand it.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Ghezae,

      Thanks for the feedback on the late GY. Now, I understand a few things about him. I had never heard about him before I read the news about his death. I followed a lot of comments in this forum: Some in his support; others critical of his views on the founder of the ELF liberation army that ushered the struggle that ended in gaving us and him “‘eta hager wala hanti yeblan g’n eta hanti zelatNa luulawnet iya tihMek TiXebk…” Those who defend him have provided his contribution to help some refugees, which they couple with his human rights advocacy, as reaon for supporting him. In their view, this should have shielded him from criticism about his very and uncalled for views about Martyr Hamed Idris Awate.

      While reading the clashing comments, my view was that as a person he was entitled to his views about Our hero, Hamed Idris Awate. I mean in a decent and less vulgar way. That was the reason I thought he was not justified to drop to the extent of borrowing the a term (shifta) his enemies had used as tactic to tarnish his image among his people. Some of the elements among the leaders of the ruling dictatorship also did the same.

      In my experience, I met characters that are quite prone to saying anything whenever some incidents or events negatively stir their passion about something they previously valued. They tend to negate the whole just because they get irritated by the fringe or part of it. I am raising this point because I had learned from your feedback that GY had struggled in the ranks of the ELF and its fighters who followed Awate as founding commnader. I cannot imagine him upholding such a view about him during his time then. Thus, I can think of no reason for him to had fallen to such an extreme judgement about Awate unless perhaps he was angered by some events that disappointed him so much.

      • blink

        Dear Mr. Ismael
        Would it be fair for them to criticize based on ideological differences , YES .Even though it was in 1940th-60th when world was black hole ,we can accept their fringe views but to pick some one who sacrificed his life to oppose Genociders is unacceptable for me .If you question like What would be the best scenario for them to praise Hamid Idris Awate who saw his own people skimmed to death by a feudal system?The best guess was for Awate to sing a song like ” Nuguse negesti ,

        Who are the demonazers ?? Some who could not get their revenge, some who conspired with dergi to kill Eritreans. And some with dark family history. These heinous people wanted us to sing Amharic and kneel down to Hailesilassie. Now if you praise our revolution you are given a name called PFDJ , and many names.
        Where will these people stop , what is their end game ?
        You know it , Ethiopia that is it.

  • Selamat Saleh G. and MaHmuday “The Best” Saleh,

    “Thank you for this important article. I think we create the ideal family of persons of diverse personalities when we first admit that we are one family, and secondly, act to make that family functional by looking after each other.”

    Esto la Bodega del Pueblo

    The maneuvers of the iThree was intriguing. Their movements resembled Dragonflies whizzing, as they hopped, skipped through the mazes of the bleachers at Burrel Field in San Leandro, California. For yours truly, fields of legends are Mosswood Park and Brookdale in North and East Oakland, respectively. Only Yesterday I have played for the first time Rugby, shot hoops and as the ball boy returned kicks that were over the crossbars or to the right and left of the goalies stand to the Toros y Caballeros practicing penalty shootouts at Brookdale on High Street. The opportunities afforded me to take notice and inspect the flight of the bumble bees atop the hill and after I descended to the plane facing the baseball diamond for rest on the embankment to the tunes of my trumpet, the Dragonflies patrol view gave the calculus perspective.

    “The dimensionless forces are called lift (CL) and drag (CD) coefficients, that is:[4]
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    ∁L(α)=2L/(ρU^2S )
    ∁D(α)=2D/(ρU^2S )

    “A half-truth is a whole lie” said the Brother Reverend Greg. Ghandi’s Satyagraha and KD’s Debate This + 2 too came to mind from several angled planes. Consecutive 35s at Forty less Two, i.e. 3535 38th, at Cornerstone Missionary Baptist, East Oakland a whole week of V.B.S. for the Youth commences today July 24th, 2017 inviting Oakland Team Wedeb, and Antioch and Alameda Teams Selam and UrQui.

    …wait Berhe Yemand Endakha enda ‘nokha aykha abokha Hagokha ShiH walakha 10K equates to Half-Marathon. Does it necessarily mean UNDER ONE is < 2. Gdi yeblkan, have your spotters on the Seven Hills en la cuidad del Siete por Siete. “Yo lo digo Dio.” Septem in Septem. Saba na Saba. Salamu na amani ninyi ndugu na dada. Jumbo Sana. Mimi kupanda maua nyeupe mwezi Januari na Julai. “Yo soy un hombre sincere de donde las palmas crecen.” 9ers or 7^2ers…

    Agosto Rush. La Carrera de los Gigantes. En Agosto Veintisiete mil DIECISIETE. Yo lo digo SETE will be THERE.
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  • MS

    Dear Saleh
    I save articles of serious writers for a convinient time. I have been following feedback remarks from awatistas and they are encouraging. Thank you for this important article. I think we create the ideal family of persons of diverse personalities when we first admit that we are one family, and secondly, act to make that family functional by looking after each other. This becomes more efficient and comfortable when Muslim transgressors are confronted and corrected by Muslims before the targeted sect becomes irritated and resorts to defensive measures, and vice versa.
    In this regard, known public figures, media personalities, political and religious leaders play a crucial role. They shape up our attitudes, they sow awareness among us, etc. Much of what i would have wanted to say had been articulated by great awatistas and it would be a waste of time to repeat it. However, i would like to make two points.
    1. It would be helpful if you linked some of the remarks that triggered you to write this article, or at least indicate where readers can find them. I tried to find them in the major Eritrean Arabic web sites, but could not find any.
    2. It would be helpful if you would specify how each of us could clean up our backyards. Mine would look the following:
    a/ All political forums should make it clear that religious agendas are best handled by civic forums. It is a futile attempt to try to reconcile irreconcilable programs of religious party programs and secular ones. Eritrea is a multicultural country and any political power that espouses power should look like Eritrea.
    b/ media outlets: Publishers and editors of media outlets should have a strong editorial discretion that reflects Eritrean objective reality. Their audience includes Eritreans inside the country who are not as receptive as, say, some one who has grown up in the west or has lived in open societies long enough to be tolerant and understanding of peaceful clashes of ideas. Even the Diaspora populace has differing perspectives and threshold concerning free speech, and cultural sensitivities; Diaspora Africa, Diaspora Europe with its diverse political climates, the Middle east, etc. Then we have the involuntary clustering of Eritrean religious communities in the Diaspora. For instance, we find heavy presence of Eritrean Muslims in the Middle East and Australia, while most Eritreans in Europe and America tend to be of Christian faith; Canada favors better in balancing the ratio. Therefore, indeed, we need Eritreans who read the demography correctly. And never regret being a bi-cultural. It is a blessing. It should help you in striking an appropriate balance in hosting articles and in running a robust forum such as this one. I think for the good of the country, the editors and publishers of major outlets need to put their personal and secondary political differences and aim at establishing an understanding of their role in promoting social harmony by advancing civil discourses and ridding their pages and forums from individuals who contribute nothing but hatred. This includes face book pages and other social network communications. Because without social harmony there is no lofty political objectives one can speak of.
    c/ On individuals levels, I think it is important that we reinforce the idea that intolerance and belligerence are signs of backwardness. Each of us should live a principled life. Our country is blessed by multicultural streaks and we have to celebrate that. We have to look after each other. This is not a naive remark. I truly believe our society has long recognized this aspect and it has been managing its diversity fairly well. What is needed is injecting modern ideas of community (state) organizations such as rule of law, constitution, the right balance between individual and group rights, fair and balanced distribution of power and wealth, etc. This could be done without disruption ages old societal values that respect diversity and peaceful co-existence. Our media agents carry a special burden in promoting this notion. I have nothing but thanks to the people who have fought to provide us with alternative forums in which we can discuss such a complex issue. I just wish they reached to each other and established some ground rule reflective of Eritrean reality. I believe they play a greater role than the political leaders in shaping up the tone of our discourse.
    Thanks again.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlam Mahmoud,
      Sorry, can’t provide you links to the cesspool. Also, I didn’t say it was on websites though I see it there also. My reaction was to notes on social media which I sometimes browse to say informed.

      As the methodology of how we clean our house, I think it is easy 🙂

      Just pick your broom and look for dirt, you will find so many. But I laid my observation, others should think and come up with suggestion. However, I am thinking of a few actions that I cannot disclose at this moment: beshil hala 🙂

      Important: my message wa general, but all of us who are bi-cultural and believe we know the problems , we shouldn’t be confines to this or that camp. We have to help clean any group or groups that we know about. For a start, I believe the nickname in social media is creating havoc. How about cleaning that first by purging accounts that do not present known entities or individuals? Just a thought.

      • MS

        Ahlan Saleh
        Thanks for the reply. I understand you. I think some individuals have indeed created havoc hiding behind masks. I second your thought. Saleh, there is a real shortage of brooms in the market due to the deforestation of Arkobkebay. But I will try.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan Al-Ustaz MS,

          I hope not to tell me after what you have written above that you are democratic, liberal, neutral person. The comment above that depicts you as a guy with a broom who intends to sweep everything incompatible with his set of mind is a clear description of your entity. I think you require the most powerful detergent and a wire-brush to clean yourself from its ills that dwell in it lifelong. The broom in your hands has unmasked you explicitly. Do you have a gut to utter that you are democratic and neutral person? I think you are not different from Isaias (እስባጺኒ / መነሺብዮ) who stands with his broom in the streets and roads of Eritrea.

          Al-Arabi

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam Awates,

    It is better for Eritrea to be A NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC STATE not A SECULAR STATE. Secularism is a kind of religion/faith that fights religions.

    Al-Arabi

    • Kalihari Snake

      Hi Hameed Al-Arabi: Are you serious? What you are suggesting is dead wrong and establishes the platform and conditions for the Islamization of Eritrea. Eritrea with significant percentages of both Christianity and Islam, even with democratic reform, must at all costs remain a truly secular state otherwise there would be no room for the two major religions (as well as others) to peacefully coexist. Do you wish radical Islamists to invade Eritrea? Get real!

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Hi Snake,

        A NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC STATE doesn’t mean Islamization of Eritrea. It means all religions including THE SECULAR RELIGION and citizens are equal under the NATIONAL CONSTITUTION. Please, don’t divert concepts to your whims. No more hunting to our religions by the SECULAR RELIGION.

        Al-Arabi

        • Kalihari Snake

          Hi Hameed Al-Arabi: There must absolutely be a clear separation of STATE and RELIGION in Eritrea. You are simply playing a game of words. I did not mention SECULAR RELIGION but rather I mentioned SECULAR STATE which is a State that is officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Kalihari Snake,

            You said, “SECULAR STATE which is a State that is officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.” You are mistaken my friend, SECULAR STATE is State founded on SECULAR RELIGION; therefore, they fight religions that doesn’t align with their dispositions. Check practices of Secular governments and you will explore their non-neutrality. SECULARISM is a kind of religion that craves to seize power without competitor.

            Al-Arabi

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Kalihari,

        Under a secular state, any parallel legal system that alludes to religion should be outlawed. No financial, criminal, personal or family issues should be allowed to be judged using religious stone-age kangaroo courts.

        Any person or group that aspires to mix politics and law with religion should be given a safe passage to the Sudan or be forcibly deported.

        • Kalihari Snake

          Hi Simon Kaleab: I agree with you 200%.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Hi Simon Kaleab,

          You have proved that Secularism is a religion that doesn’t tolerate any other religions. They marginalize but chase the whole of their life all who don’t agree with them by killing or deporting them from their homeland. The Secular religion if allowed to govern will create continuous un-stability in Eritrea. Don’t try my friend to make secularism a mask to practice sectarianism. I think it is enough that Isaias has exploit it before you.

          I think you are the last person to speak about the SECULAR RELIGION; the reason is very simple, you are to the core a Sectarian person.

          A NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC STATE is an optimum selection.

          Al-Arabi

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hamid,

            There is no such thing called “Secularism is a religion”. A religion presupposes a hypothetical supernatural entity. You are simply confused.

            I advocate Eritrea to remain a secular country for the sake of social cohesion. If there are people inclined to live in a religious environment, there are plenty of religious paradises to choose from such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to name but few.

            Let us leave poor Eritrea alone, we already have enough problems.

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon Kaleab,

            With your pfdj regime interference upon different religions within the country and restricting one and favoring the other one, Hameed is right to assume secularism = religion in the pfdj world. There is NO freedom of anything in the country your families are ruling, Eritrea. Currently, Eritrea is not practically a secular state, but it is in state where a bunch of mafias/dogs interfering in the churches or mosques affairs. So, there is absolutely no religion freedom. The only religion that is allowed is the mafias religion that is interfering in the religion of others.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Thomas,

            You are as usual clueless and talking like a cartoon character.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Hameed Al-Arabi: Are you serious? Eritrea as a National Democratic State? The idea is seems entirely foreign to most Islamic doctrines that I have seen. And, even if a political ‘Islamic’ party were secular in name and allowed to exist, would they ever dare forsake the basic tenets of Islam? The strong religious identity imposed on the average citizen would effect a transposition of Islamic views on political affairs, thus nullifying this vital separation of powers and wrongfully tendentiously color political discourse.

    • Selam Al-Arabi,
      I am trying to learn, and I found out that a ‘national democratic state’ was a term used by marxist-leninists as a political theory that tried to accommodate the needs of less developed nation of the world as a transitional state structure. As you know marxism-leninism does not support religions, which puts it more on the secular side at least as much as religion is concerned, if we live out all the rest. Can you please say few words what you have in mind when you say “national democratic state” so that we could learn more.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salamat Horizon,

        My friend I mean by ” NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC STATE” a state that rules on the basis of its culture. It is unwise to import all our gadgets from outside, devices that are applicable for other cultures. A nation that doesn’t benefit from its own resources is a failed nation. To depend in each and every walk of life on others is a catastrophe. Many countries in the world, specially African countries, have borrowed experiences from cultures that are not applicable to their societies which have caused a lot of harm to these societies. Cultures that have made these countries pay dear and still they are bathing in the dark ages. It is good to benefit from other cultures, but we have to select things that harmonize with our cultures.

        • Thanks Al-Arabi,
          Both ethiopia and eritrea, two very similar countries have to major religious cultures, the christian culture and the muslim culture.
          The muslim culture is supplemented with the sharia law, which functions in many muslim countries, for example sudan. A christian culture with a christian state that represented it, we had one in ethiopia until 1974, and it was abolished and a secular system of government was implemented, because it did not represent or accommodate the whole nation, christians and muslims alike. A similar problem existed in sudan under the sharia law, with muslims and christians on opposite sides of the divide, which lead to decades of war that cost the lives of millions of people.
          We are not a culturally homogenous nations (especially eritrea and ethiopia), and there could be no one system of government that is founded on cultural values that represents all the people, don’t you think that the region needs a system of government that is above all cultures and at the same time inclusive of all cultures, i.e. a secular system of government, with a constitution that protects all equally, irrespective of ethnicity and religious affiliation?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Horizon,

            I don’t mean by NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC STATE to impose our cultures or religions on each other, but to coin from our cultures a neutral system that govern us. I think we have all noticed how secular systems in the world interfered at personal and religious teachings and prohibited them. How can we say a system that prohibits yashmak (women dress) which is an Islamic teachings, and at the same time a personal choice, a neutral system or government?

            Allah says in the Quran in Suratu Al Ahzab, verse no. 59

            “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.”

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlam Hameed,
            Apologies for the belated reply

            1 is there a secular system , for example, the secular kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or the United secular kingdom (uk, Netherlands, Sweden, Morocco, etc) ?
            I think secular is simply civil system based on citizenship and not on faith. Therefore, secular governments interfering on religious issues is based on the decisions of individuals in a political wrangling and sometimes the legions win other times they don’t. But the oconstitution should be secular (in countries like Eritrea) where people are simply citizens. If there is transgression of religions, the courts and the parliament should resolve it. And it doesn’t mean secular countries do not have governments that trasspass on the rights of their citizens, just like religious regimes do. Therefore, secularism is not to blame but individual, politicians and parties…including the general public.

            2. The Aya that you quoted has so many interpretations–which interpretation do we legitimize? The conservative will have their own interpretation and so will the liberal Muslims. It is also differently interpreted depending on the culture and tradition of any given country. In Eritrea for example, we do not have the black Abaya except a few in the coat pal areas (Haberyet they call it) the rest , Christians and Muslim women alike put either the gulbab (from Jilbab) or netsela, lewyet. But when we go to other countries we find the one-eyed blue shaddor or black in Iran and Afghanistan, etc. besides, traditions are particular to people’s and regions we do not have to subscribe to Bedouin traditions from Arabia or elsewhere

            3. I agree with you there are extremist secularists whonthinknsecularismnis against religion and against legions people. There are as bad as religious extremists and we have to shun extremism and fanaticism wherever it comes from. But in its true sense, secularism is a system that sees the citizens as citizen, not defined by his faith. The government (constitution) should have nothing to do with the faith of the people who should be left alone to their own devises However, when religious people transgress on the rights of the people who do not agree with them and they pose a security risk to the country, the government is bound to intervene. But note: a government should be legitimate to intervene not an illigitimate regime like the one we have in Eritrea. Also, any system of governance goes through growing pains and there can’t be a system that is perfect from day one. Perfecting governance of a country requires time and serious struggle and that is why we are struggling to have a fair and just system of governance that respects the citizen.

            NB apologies for the typos can’t edit it at this time

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hayak Allah Al-Ustaz Johar,

            I think you agree with me that the verse is not a call for overdressing, and at the same time the differences are not against the entire call of Allah to Muslim women to be modest. Precisely, the call is for Muslim women to be decent and should not behave or dress so as to stir instincts of men that may expose them to danger.

            Al-Arabi

          • Saleh Johar

            Okay Hameed,

            Indeed, I am objecting to you bringing ayas to justify yoir views when you know your interpretation is not the only one. I am sking: who has the power right and mandate to enforce all of that? Is it anyone who recites the Koraan, or there is a specific authority? And should there be an authority to check on dress codes to begin with? And how about the regimenting and codifying of lives of the people into traditional norms that do not fall between Haram or Halal? What choice is left for Muslim to decide on his own if others think they can impose their will on all the people? Why does our lives has to be suffocated between Haram and Halal as if we are monks living in a monastery? Why can’t people dress they way they like and be free to do what they think is right and bear responsibility on their own if that results in anything in the after-life? I am objecting to the prevalent intrusion in the life of Muslims that many are suffocating.

            My position is that on religious aspects, what people should do and not do, it is between individuals and Allah. I do not believe anyone has a mandate to enforce anything on anyone. With that in mind, i do not consider such issues topics of a political discussion. That is why I support Secularism. And I think we can meet if you endorse personal freedom and if we restrain ourselves from quoting scripture in support of our argument without context and in a multi-religious setting.

            As you know, the Ayas were revealed withing a cultural and period context. As such, you know there is what is known as “Taawil” in Islamic jurisdiction and fiqH. But that is a material of concerned sects and not a national issue–I do not see a government legislating how people should dress or how they should live their lives. Again, I am not contesting anything you say, but I am just saying this is not relevant in the national discourse of a diverse society in a nation like ours.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hayak Allah Al-Ustaz Johar,

            I think the context in which I have brought the Quranic verse is clear that is to demonstrate whatever the form of dressing be it is related to religion. The secular systems who define themselves as neutral prohibit religious dress and personal choice. These practices make secularism a religion and not a system of governance. Every person has the right to believe in whatever he likes, but should not impose his beliefs on others, the same is applied to secularism. Secularism should not be imposed on the people of Eritrea, and no one has the right to impose his whims on people.

            Al-Arabi

          • Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,

            You said: “The secular systems who define themselves as neutral prohibit religious dress and personal choice. These practices make secularism a religion and not a system of governance. ”

            With all due respect to your interpretation, can you kindly give a few examples of secular systems that prohibit religious dress and personal choice. The USA system of governance, as far as I know, can be considered a secular system. I am not aware of any “religious dress and personal choice” prohibition other than nudity/public indecencies == there are nude beaches even for that personal choice.

            Unless you are arguing that the government should mandate all dress code for all according to their faith. Any how, please educate me which of those secular governments you consider have dress prohibition. I am aware Paris/France “No Hijab” controversy. But we are talking of France who have experienced and won triumphantly over the hideous prohibitions and atrocities of WWII and fascists against the European Jews. … …

            Respectfully,

            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam GitSAtSE,

            I want it to be clear that I am not here about discussing religion, but the claim of NEUTRALITY IN SECULARISM.

            The country (USA) you claim to be secular has generalized terrorism and labeled millions of Muslims who live in several countries as terrorists and prohibited them from entering USA. According to these entities any Muslim equals to terrorism. Are this governments will criminalize all Christians if a Christian guy perpetrated an act of terror? My friend, a neutral entity reacts with individuals and alienate herself from generalization.

            Secondly, to corner a person to choose from his religion teachings and a post in a government office which is a clear interference in religion and against neutrality. He will definitely surrender to the call of Allah and drop the post. If you force a Muslim woman either to drop Hijab or a government post, she will certainly drop the government post. A government that forces people to such kind of choices is not a neural government. This kind of practice makes Secularism a religion or a mask to impose their religion or spread degeneration among communities.

            Al-Arabi

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Horizon, even in societies that are largely homogenous religion and culture wise, there is a need for a secular system of government, because, obviously, there are many atheists in these countries. Hence, only a secular state could guarantee a peaceful coexistence between the citizens of a given country, with pluralistic world views.

    • Mez

      Dear Hameed,

      1) With all due respect secularism is not a religious concept; it is a religion-neutral style of thinking.
      Research publication reference would be good to backup your thinking, as to why you think it is so.

      2) A modern nation needs institutions to fulfill the interests of its people. There must be an approach, somehow, to do its obligations impartially–irrispective of religious denomination.

      3) The concept you mentioned had two huge components 1) National 2) democratic.
      you may want to elaborate them as to your understanding and ,if possible, example where it is applied.
      thanks

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Dear Mez,

        I understand very well secular systems in the world which most of them are void of neutrality you have for example France which prohibited Muslim women from wearing dresses of their choice. Can you say dear Mez there is neutrality in this kind of practices?

        My friend the countries that have deafen us by their civilization and very humane spirit have blocked their borders when thousands of refugees marched towards them seeking security and assistance. Where has gone their fake humanity, civilization and neutrality? The most shameful part of it some of them said that they only accept Christians.

        • Collateral Damage

          Hi Hameed,
          As requested by the above forumer, can you give us a working model of your “National democratic state”. A single country would be enough. I am just curious to know to know your alternative to secular state.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Damage,

            Neutrality in our country has been understood as making the entire people of the country as one copy “Hade hizbi hade libi”. This is the surface motto but under the table or open air they practice sectarianism. The same category understood equality of women as prostitution.

          • Collateral Damage

            Hi Hameed, I prefer to be called by my first name ㋡㋡.
            You are telling me what you believe is a problem in a secular state. I don’t want to argue about that now. My question was can you give me an example of a country that successfully implemented your ideal state? or let me make it simpler, give me a country that you think is on a right path of implementing what you said , even if the implementation is not perfect

          • Nitricc

            Hi Collateral; hahahahah that is funny. ” Hi Hameed, I prefer to be called by my first name” classic!!!
            Anyway; he can never answer your question because there are none. Some people just pick something up and they go with it, case in point Al-Arabi. I don’t know why and how you expect an answer of “”National democratic state””” From a person who names himself Al-Arabi? doesn’t make sense, lol

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Nitricc,

            You are outside the net-cover, no blame. How does the primitive age look like, my friend?

            Al-Arabi

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Collateral Damage,

            Go out of the box you have stuffed yourself in and think outside the box. Why you are always a copy, my friend? I think, originality is something impossible in your world.

            Al-Arabi

          • KBT

            Selam al arabi
            Secular is a best thing for a country , we don’t want fundamentalism in our country whether like you or the so called Christian denominations that have no respect for any faith ,you guys destroyed Iraq ,Libya ,Syria with the help of the west ,no more people like you are poison for humanity speeching about prostitution did you see isis selling little girls fo sexslaves shamfull ,they are coward they just kill innocents

        • Mez

          Dear Hameed,

          I don’t know where to start and, the best way to engage you.
          To make things short the French people had their own social process and Transformation, say in the last 500 years; I am leaning to the industrial revolution there. That then followed by General Napolion to unite europe–the messy Napolion war. Then came the Paris commun (chopping of heads of novelities). Followed by the first and second World War which costed France quite a bit in human life and created economic chaos too.

          Now, by any standard it seems very hard to use the words what you used above to apply on the French society. Your approach is too superficial to contemplate.

          Regarding the refugee issue, 1) yout have to blame the refugee producing countries for not respecting people’s needs, and have some humble respect of their fellow citizen humans. And also almost equally the transit countries.

          I and you are from the same society. If a french normal person man/ lady have had came to our community in our region to ask for a refugee status, the option they would have could be: 1) a forceful assimilation, 2) probably even an agrelesssive forceful elimination. Just to add one more point, an adult refugee probably after 15-20 years could be a citizen of France (+/-). Do you think the around 10-15 million gust workers in the GCC countries will ever soon gate their citizenship in the GCC? why not? Which one is more serious– woman’s dress of choice in France or status-less condition of people in the GCC.

          Do you think l may be wrong in my thoughts?

          Thanks

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Mez, Hameed, Horizon and all,

        I am of the opinion that, insisting on having secularism as form of ONLY government would not necessary is a good thing for Eritrea. What happens in most cases is that, those people who are atheist for the most part (born to some religion but do not practice it) end up dictating what forum of government we MUST have and impose their believe (none believe) to the rest of the population. They can believe what ever they wanted to believe (non believe) but they shouldn’t be the one making the decision on behalf of everyone. A good example is, what PFDJ constitution asks the government officials to swear to a dead tegadalay instead of any higher power they believe in (may be that’s the only thing changed).

        If one starts to impose and restrict people because they believe in something, then there is no end to what his restriction would mean. I think we should not worry to much in terms of how one wants to organize in a political system, be it religeion, region, language, adi, awaraja, soccer team, what ever they wanted they should be allowed. But we have to make sure that, no matter who ever comes to power, from certain part will not have a total control over all of us so they can impose their system of government. And we should let out people make the choice for whom ever they believe would represent them best.

        Berhe

        • Haile S.

          Hi Berhe,
          I don’t think secularism is imposing or restricting things on believers. Secularism is a separation between state affairs and religious affairs. In other words, it is an impartiality of a state on all kind of believers in its constituencies and their representation in the state. Secularism is not atheism. It is understandable for a believer to abhor atheism. But an atheist has moral too! the same as the believer except that he doesn’t attribute it to a divinity.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Haile S.

            Thank you for your reply. Personally I support secularism as well and the separation of Church and State. Let me give you an example. There was this guy named Tesfatsion who was saying all kinds of things in the name of Habesha, Christian, Orthodox and a lot against Eritrean Muslims etc. He has a lot of views on youtube and stuff, I haven’t watch much but his message is quite bad for any Eritrean.

            After doing this for a long time online, he announced going to Israel and to meet with the many followers that he has..lots of fanfare. In Isreal there are thousands of Eritreans ….so I am sure a lot of people know about him and what he was preaching…

            But at it turned out, he got an audience of less than 10 people. This is the kind of reason and trust that I have in our people and know the difference and do the right thing.

            What I am saying is, what is the point of denying this person if he wants a political system based on what ever religion he is preaching…I am suggesting and tolerate his hate speech against other Eritreans, what I am trying to say is, even people as henius as Tesfasion are not able to gain support for his agenda. So in other words, I think, the Eritrean people know better and it’s best if we leave it up to them who they wanted to vote and give mandate to govern. If we deny them, then we give the crazy fanatics a room to exploit our unity and our culture of tolerance.

            I am ok with Athiest or what ever they believe. But I would rather our people, elders and religous people have a say in the affairs that affects them and our children.

            There are this Habesha Chrstian fundamentalist all over the internet, some even call themselves as “Profit” for the healing power they have. And they have a number of people who follow them..it’s back to the days of “buda” and they pray on innocent vulnerable people who for some reason have some sort of “unfulfilled life”.

            Let this people run any party or political party they wanted, and I am sure the majority of our people will know the difference who is their right and best candidates.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Hi Berhe,
            I understand what you are saying. Any individual or party can run on values he/she views is best for the society. However, the secularism refers to the constitution and the institutes of the country that are established by all its varied components including those at its fringe. If there is anyone who imposes or restricts practices, it is the law of the country to which everyone has pledged to be governed by. For a cohesive, non-discriminating and impartial society, I prefer a secular state than any kind of other arrangement that tries to satisfy the specificities and demands of its various components, and risks to be reproached for discrimination at the slightest suspicion of blunder.

        • Mez

          Dear Berhe,

          The question raised is much subtle & fundamental than saying secularism is good or bad per see.

          …Impose, restrict are bad words and concepts to start with….

          The key challenges to address would be probably: 1) rule of law (which law, to what extent. ..), 2) role of science (both natural and social), role of engineering 3) role of free thinking, 4) the freedom to exploit a person’s creativity and potential to the benefit of him/ her and the society at large, 5) the fundamental question of accepting human right concepts (for both male and female on equal footage)’-irrispective of age and influence.

          Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            Thank you. May be I could have chosen better words to explain what I mean. I personally do not have any issue and as SGJ said, the Rule of law should be the highest authority in how we are governed.

            What I am trying to say and address is, would such law defines for example who or what could be the basis for forming political parties. Would we restrict if someone wants to create a party based on some sort of believe? My suggestion is we should not, because it is very difficult to implement. I would rather see those type of choices are put to the people and let the people decide what’s best for them, and the government or who ever has the authority should not be making the rules. If they are good or bad, they will be filtered out by the people.

            For example, in Egypt after the fall of Mubarak when the MB supported party won election, the Egyptian authorities instead of letting the election take it’s course they completely dismantle the party and all the primary members are in jail and the party almost went under ground.

            I think the military / SiSi may have scored some temporarily goals but for sure this will lead to some sort of unrest in Egypt sooner or later.

            Berhe

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Hamid A., I wanted to know your personal view regarding Sharia law in Eritrea (on the Eritrean Muslims, of course): do you support the imposiition of Sharia in its entirety, meaning including the practice of cutting of heads, limbs, and stoning to death of those found to have committed a crime?

  • Selam Abraham H.,

    Thank you a lot for bringing this news. For sure the harbingers of doom and gloom about ethiopia will feel depressed and miserable, when they see this positive development for the two people. May be after all our “ shimagles” and not our politicians are the solution for the ethio-eritrean problems, because politicians are good in creating problems, but incompetent in solving them.

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Horizon, yes, right, our elders and religious leaders could have done a lot better job than the governments in improving the people to people relationships. Unfortunately, they do not have that opportunity, in particular from the mafia leaders of the pfdj.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Abraham,

    Abraham, “Zete” is the path for peace. It is good news for Ethiopia and Ethiopians. let it be blossom everywhere.

  • Brhan

    Hello Saleh,
    Thank you for your article. I want to add an input to the subject of the issue;” those who came from the cave’

    Unless we analyze this group in order to know where they came from , then teach and inform them to change their attitude , we will have the same topic again and again.

    It is clear persons who come from a diverse society will have tolerance and understanding to someone who is not like them in the matter of religion. We are lucky to be diverse society in Eritrea. But if a person is raised in isolation and folks are teaching him about the other through hate, fear, intimidation and bias, then he or she will be intolerant to others.
    Our role must be teach that person about our country , its people and culture.
    Our teaching is peaceful but that does not mean that we will encounter rigid persons who can be vocal to silence us, like the Sheffield ones. Then we must ask these people are they saying Eritreans so that they preserve their asylum in the UK or advocate for their folks to get this privilege? Does not an Eritrean mean that you know your country, its people and culture and have respect , tolerance and love to it ,its people and culture. We can remind them that in the UK , they are free what they like to be. They can claim to be Pakistani or Arab and attend in their events so that to get the taste they want to listen or see. They do not have to come to our events and disturb. But if they do they must behave and have a good attitude to our religious scholars.
    They have to change. Change is now happening in Saudi Arabia where I believe some of these people grew up.
    Salamat

  • Dawit Mesfin

    Dear Saleh,

    Thank you for the honest and timely article. It takes great courage to defy tendencies that divide us.

    I know managing radical entities is like fighting fire that pops out everywhere. The dry conditions the regime has created around us are perfect to start fires easily. Well, someone has to stand up to such recklessness. The broader lesson to be drawn here is not to shy away from confronting the emergence of these divisive forces under any circumstance. This includes the recognition that those pockets of irresponsible entities not only impose friction on the vulnerable segments of our communities but they also function as instruments in the hands of their sponsors.

    Many have decried the tendency of the reckless forces. However, many will all continue to fall prey to such ‘tribal preaching’ because it is not difficult to exploit the emotional dimension of the struggle. And it will not be easy for those standing on shaky ground to resist the intoxicating temptation of this corrosive politics. But this does not mean we do not have the ability to identify those dynamics and resist the enticements of the warped psychology that the impostors are selling.

    History will judge us one day by how we voiced our disagreement with the divisive forces and how we respond to the needs of the oppressed people of Eritrea.
    Dawit

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Dawit,

      “The dry conditions the regime has created around us are perfect to start fires easily.

      ..”
      beautifully said! Thanks Dawit.
      Ghezae

  • Dear Saleh,

    If there is such thing as a quintessential reading for the times we live in, your article embodies it. As always, well-written, articulate and spoken from the hearts of patriots who share your sentiments. The continuous assault against the Eritrean legacy started slowly but now it seems to have entered an “open-season” era where vitriolic hate speech is the order of the day. The social media enabled virtual world favors extremists of every stripe: the religious puritans, the revisionist historians, the young and disillusioned, the flame throwers, the groupthink echo chambers and the political opportunists.

    Needless to say, Eritrean patriots must unapologetically push back, fight back and amplify every idea that has a potential to preserve our national harmony. I am not sure how the “clean your own yard first” works in practical terms. I wish the boundaries of the yards were clearly marked; but they are not. I think what works better is to organize and drown the negative with positive, the hate with love, and the assault on our martyrs, heroes and history, with staunch nationalism. Yes, even if doesn’t sound fashionable to do so. Yes, even if there is a chance of being accused of being an apostate – the religious or political variety.

    Thank you for taking a stand and being a role model.

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Daniel,

      I apologize, I assumed I answered your doubts in the article, contextually, but it seems I failed in doing so.

      Cleaning our own houses is meant to be a division of labor but it was not meant to be a long term task. Here is how I see it:

      We have a two-tier problem: national and sub-nations (if we put all the sub-divisions in one basket).

      For example, among the Muslim cavemen, Liberalism and Secularism are considered worse that a four-letter word. “He is a secular-liberal” is the worst label one can be associated with–the equivalent of Tsere-Mariam, maybe worse 🙂 And I have been declaring that I am secularist and a liberal democrat since I understood such concepts. A Christian can declare that and no one would really care. A typical person from Kebessa doesn’t understand any of the inter-Muslim fissures and there is little he can do to fix that except wishing his allies unlimited luck. Once we have a normal country, we an educate each other of our specific ailments easily. For now, believe me there is not much a non-Muslim can do to fix inter Muslim issues–they are just too intense and peculiar. That is why I would rather pull a PFDJ stopper on you: bzuH zey tfelTuwo negert allo 🙂 However, the overwhelming number of Muslims anonymously agree of their four most important points: culture, land, refugees and equality.

      As for the Muslims, they are generally intrigued by the inter Kebessa cleavages let alone the confessional sensitivities. For example, a Muslim would not understand the regional divisions and would innocently ask: mush kulom Habesh? Just like the insane riffraff would consider all Muslims Jihadis who work day and night devising ways to convert him. I tell you, sometimes I feel being bi-cultural is a curse!

      The above being the lower tier, the second and upper tier should be free of such zemen-aggaafeHo problems and instead concentrate of national issues. This requires the cooperation and bonding all patriots with a strain of secular principles and liberal democrats. So far, after many years of struggle, let’s admit we failed to create a formidable force with political strain. It seems our camp is careless, our support for each other is weak and rally we do not show commitment to build the alliance that we should have built. The two tiers can be attended to in parallel to each other while we make sure not to bring issues from the lower tier to the upper (national) tier. That is what I meant by leaning our own houses–Christians and Muslims should own their religions freely, with no coercion and with no one acting like a God-send perfect to monitor our thoughts. But before all that, we need to liberate our minds as my friend Dawit wrote a few days ago. Our silence and timid attitude has made us appear as if we are not there, as if we are a minority. We are not and the sooner we realize that, the better.

      I hope this sheds light on your doubts.

      Thank you

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam SGJ,

        I love this comment more than your piece. Because you proved what I was advocating about you during the controversial articles of our own Ali Salim. This comment along your piece did not only free you from all the blackmailing that had been circulating against you, but it also removes all the burden from my back as I was defending you all those years where ever I encounter people to blackmail you. A brave and an honest fighter will not fail to come out from all these hurdles. Good piece and good comment my friend.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Saleh Johar

          Amanuensis,

          Yesterday I got a message from someone who has been living in a cave since seven years. The guy claims to be a journalists but his clock has stopped seven years ago: he called me Ali Salim. But I agree, I could have stopped that train in its rail if I betrayed the trust and exposed who he was. I preferred to bear the responsibility and not breach trust. But can you imagine we still have people still sleeping in dark caves?

  • Mogot Berhane

    Salamat,
    You said what the most beautiful heart would say in circumstances like this. Without mentioning names but, frankly, some groups which are run in Arabic are as venomous as something could get as you have highlighted. At some point I wished I never read Arabic, it is so heart wrenching that I crawl sick into my bed after reading some comments, and the fact that the commenters are at their fluid intelligence age and chose to remain crystalized in a very narrowly restricted foculties of thinking has given me insomnia. Have been wondering where these people came from? Were they really brought up in that same land? One thing I can’t wrap my head around is words which come forth out of people who depend on religion for their intellectual discussions in political matters. That is so sickening!! I came in to just help you bear the waight, I think I understand your feelings because I too am going through it. I hope the Eritrean youth will learn from people like you, come to their senses, and come out from their dark caves to see the light with you. Slowly though!! as a sudden exposure after a continued darkness could get them blinded. I only mean you have some miles to cover for them. So, may you be strong to squeeze some ink out of your pen!!

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Mogos,

      I agree with you, if you read the comments in both parrallel universes, you are boud to be sick. But that sickness should motivate us to work harder to arrive at a solution (for now, let’s beging by attending to the issues which has been on the pending shelf for too long)

      But what we are going through is natural given the situation at home–nostalgic people are difficult to tame, particularly when they feel they are unjustly treated. Our nation is being treated cruelly by the vagabonds, the Skunis lording over it. If only they would disappear with the next setting sun, much of our problems would be solved. But if that doesn’t happen, we have to take charge and begin to resolve issues that they wish are not solved forever.

      Don’t despair, this will also pass.

  • kamal

    صالح قاضي لو يوجد مثلك 10اشخاص ما كانت ارتريا وصلت الى ما وصلت عليه الان , سينصفك التاريخ الارتري يوما انت وكل المخلصين. كل الحب والتقدير

    • Saleh Johar

      الدنيا بخير يا عزيزي رغم الصعوبات التي يجب علينا موجهتها بحزم وانا لست الا شخص واحد ضمن الاف الاشخاص في صفوف النضال‘ غير انه يجب علينا ايجاد رابط يجمعنا على مبدء المواطنه الحرة والعدالة دون تفريق
      وبارك الله فيك

  • blink

    Dear SG
    Thanks sir , it means a lot to all of us , and no one can do it better than people like you. Yours and these two gentlemen conscious will prevail over the hateful world of dividers.Eritreans will never give in to a sectarian attitude that entertains Agazians and religious lunatics. A great article sir , let’s hope they read you and learn what it meant to be a good person. Long time ago Ghirmay Yeibyo wrote an insulting article about Awate and he used to bluff as “many will see his view as liberating ” yet he failed miserably, I am sure these people you despise will fail too. We need more people like you to come to the task and educate the youth.

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Blink,
      There will be many people who bring their knives to skin a fallen bull but few will wrestle it to the ground, as the saying goes. We seemed fallen and the knives came in the dozens. We can have our differences as normal people but that beehive is sanctious to all of us. And we will not let our honey be harvested that easy.

      • Hayat Adem

        The H. SGJ,
        I read your article above. You addressed a very messy subject with brevity, ease and sharpness. That is very hard to do unless it is truly from the heart. We always need such notes to remind us of the bigger truth and purpose. That is my main message.
        I have another one as an extension. You said, “We can have our differences as normal people but that beehive is sanctious to all of us. And we will not let our honey be harvested that easy.” And the line has nothing as a mistake as such by and of itself. It just bothers me a lot of the psyche is directed on guarding the present while the present is not that much. But I think much of the beehive and the honey are yet to be built and produced. We need to mobilize every spirit and energy towards building the future. Sanctity is in owning the future.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Hayat,

          I defend the past and the present only to protect the future and I am sure you understand the implication of ignoring the past and present and yet try to usher a bright future. Kindly read my thoughts as dealing with a chain. I cannot accept disgrace of my compatriots who paid the ultimate, and 8 cannot throw away the investment of my nation because I feel the responsibility. Unfortunately, one has to fight like with like and we cannot accept to be sitting ducks when we are attacked indecently. Indeed, my comment was clear, anyone who targets eritreabwill have to face a beehive and though not much results for obvious reasons, my struggle against the PFDJ is in that context, I am a bee from that hive. But if you want real debate on the issues that bother you about Ghedli, I will entertain you provided you promise me to stay away from –you know what?

          Disclaimer: you know you are one of my favorite here, and I cringe when you bite on something and will not let go. Yet, I admire your intelligence and calm debating style

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear H. SGJ,
            Thank you for the kind words. and more from me to you. I also understand the rest of your comment. I don’t want to take you back into ghedli. I know your take on ghedli is different from mine in significant ways but it never bothered me at all. When others say it and you pick some tone of righteousness, that aura of looking down on others who don’t cheer for ghedli, that tendency of paternalistic slap in the wrist, I feel like countering it right away.
            To be honest, ghedli has never been my favorite subject to discuss. I am usually pulled into it. When I am pulled in, albeit involuntarily, I wanted to speak my mind and nobody else’s. I am sorry to find myself partying with those who love flogging a dead horse. But I hate letting a junior brainier to have the last word on me. Once they go head down and tail between out of my way, I can freely entertain any reasonable discussion.
            i could discuss with you for ours and days, and if we didn’t narrow the differences, I would still call it a day with smile on my face and without hard feelings. So, the problem is not about having a different opinion here, it is about the attitude one carries towards such differences. Some regime supporters in exile are in the business of assigning citizenship depending on the political view that person has and the support distance he maintains with the regime. nisa ertrawit aykonetin! As if this was not too much, now some are saying “you are not human being if you didn’t respect Idris Awate.” What kind of insanity is that!
            What you do and what you think can never make you or unmake you Eritrean, Well, to be called a human being, you only have to be homosapien. They don’t even know the implication of their statements. Justice fighters should help educating such people if they think of making them usable for the cause, Otherwise, such people should never be near any justice fighter. They are pollutants. They language is untamed and vulgar. They contribute zero to negative.
            There was one writer whom I respected so much. he once was asked, “why don’t you sometimes look the other way?” To that he said this – pointing to his own skin: “This is my natural cloth. It is a cloth that only fits my body. I can’t let anyone inside it because there isn’t any space within my skin for accommodation. If so, why would i look the other way?!”

          • MS

            Selam Hayat
            Please let us move on, I really feel bored running in circular motion. Ghedli is not your favorite subject but the regimes that subjected us in enduring ghedli are your favorite. You tell us you are about the future, yet you have spent most of your time defending the past (the Alula, Haileselasie…). You have tried to minimize their atrocities. Instead you brought exaggerated crimes of ghedli (some manufactured). All this to counterbalance stories of victims of those despicable rulers. You bash and tarnish ghedli in order to embellish the faces of those regimes. And now, you accuse the “junior brainier” for dragging you to attacking our history, identity, and symbols? Wow! Amazing. For your information, ghedli is an important part of our history. No one asked you to accept it, and you have no right to look into our eyes and tell us not to talk about it. When you make up stories, people will confront you. You better have appropriate answers. If you don’t have any, don’t blame the junior brainier. Look, the Sudanese have a saying that goes something like: if two people tell you your head is gone, check your head [to make sure it is in its place]. You should at least change your strategy when you see Eritreans who come from different political background unite in issues that are so cardinal to them. That’s what a senior brainier does. They pause and reexamine their tactics, because they are more intelligent than the juniors. They don’t keep headbutting the rock time and again, and then empty their frustrations to the poor juniors who, after all, have been right all along. Dear Hayat, it is true we have natural cloths that fit each of us. Most of us seem to be content with a “one size fit all” , call it Eritrean, after all we are poor. Those who can afford it, they can choose custom tailored cloths. Just know that what you think of as a custom made cloth might be an old and outdated fashion for most of us.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Mahmuday,
            Just to put emphasis on some points:
            1) Please give me a break and stop saying “we” when you put out your own personal opinions. You are not we, you are you. As far as i know, you are here representing yourself and you don’t represent people or a country. That gets you down of the high horse and it makes us equal.
            2) Thanks for the advice. However, I wouldn’t necessarily go by the numbers. I wouldn’t panic if 2 or more people tell me that I am walking headless. I would know that first hand and in more ways than anyone else as much as anyone who become headless would know. Conversely, I should also know that even if no one is coming forward to alert me on the absence of my head on my shoulders. Respectfully, the Sudanese are wrong:)
            3) Heading-batting a rock? What rock!

          • MS

            Selam Hayat
            1. Logically, you are wrong because if we were not equal in:
            a/ status: you would not be able to communicate with me on a one-on-one basis
            b/ wave length: you would not be able to get your communications through to my ears and eyes/brain. So, your “it makes us equal” statement is false. That being said:
            Why I say we? Because we are plural and “we” happens to be the plural of “I”. Consider this: check the names of Eritreans in this forum, and tell me how many of them agree with your odd stand. Just do it now, and I hope that will save you time from your ranting. Another area to consider: just revise your feeds and see the striking correlations they reveal. Whenever you attack our struggle and history (please don’t remind of using “our” before you do your homework), you unite odd characters. To give you an example: SGJ, SAAY, Tzigereda, Emma, IsmailAA, BerheY, KOkebay, gezaehagos, Mahmuday, SEmere tesfai, Nitrickay, blink, kalihari snake, Simon Kibreab and the list goes on…UNITE. You see them creating their own clusters and enclaves when it comes to the current situation and how to solve it, but they are united when unwarranted attacks are leveled against their ghedli. So, a self-claimed genius or super brainier like you should know that using “we” in this context is a no-biggie of an issue.
            2. Still you are walking headless Hayat. The wisdom driven from the saying is that if your friends tell you that you might be wrong, pause and process their comment properly. You might indeed be wrong. In extreme cases, if you are pathologically burdened with “I’m right, they are wrong” type of primitive ego defense, people may as well suggest you check into a shrink’s clinic. Anyway, I’m just elaborating on what you are missing; I’m not necessarily pressing you have to call your shrink, and hopefully, you don’t have one.
            3. Hayat, the rock is a metaphor for Eritreans unity, determination and steadfastness. The bad news for you is that many powers, factions and individuals belittled the judgement of Eritreans. Little did they know that they were headbutting a solid rock. Guess what? In the futile process, those evil forces got shattered. Eritreans are here to live. Their current effort is to make the home they built more livable and sustainable. You want to join them in that journey, welcome. But first get down from the imaginary high horse you are riding.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam MS,

            Did you hear what Hayat told to Blink: “You can’t make me feel important because I am one already.” I have never heard an explicit self-aggrandizement, except from Tump who openly claimed that he can solve alone to the problem of USA. Yegermal. I don’t know what makes her important. Sharing your view alone does not makes one important until he/she contributes tangible things that the public could recognize.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Given the views of TPLF she serves, yes she is important, articulate, and capable of twisting anything that represents Eritrea, her record speaks for itself. But the obvious true is she and her groups such as YG are too exhausted to make even a bit difference despite years of relentless effort to destroy our identity and ultimately our country. I see no good reason for her to oppose DIA!

            Peace!

          • MS

            Selam Dear Emma
            Hayat could be a neuroscientist or a rocket engineer (another cliche’) and Blink could be another brainier in his own right in his own area of specialty. But it is obvious Blink is well versed and armed with FACTS in the specific area we are discussing. I hate to repeat it but Hayat is clearly out of touch with Eritrean experience. She could not even decipher the simple Sudanese (Arabic) saying that goes: check out your head if two people tell you it is not there!! I will try to explain to her what that would mean in her context. Yep, it is a yigermana’lo time, though, thank God, it appears to be ending faster than we thought it would. It is apparent that, admittedly, her primary source is the discredited, debunked and lone wolf YG. She keeps devouring his flimsily deconstructed history of Eritrea; she holds the disfigured map of Eritrea YG inculcated in her mind. She can hide behind the warped aura she has built around her self, as the super brainier. What she is missing is the fact that an “uneducated” farmer will always be better tending his farm than out of touch, and out of campus super brainier. And also I think part of the package of being a super brainier is the awareness that there could be more brainy folks than you. But that does not hold true for some and Blink was coming with some personality descriptions that fit Hayat’s situation that escaped my memory now….yes, ygermena’lo. Hint: what do you say to a child who blames others for his/her faults? Now, that is easy because children are receptive by nature. How about a headless adult? That’s very tough.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Strange! She doesn’t know Blink’s credentials, but yet she has the audacity to call him “junior brainer”. The more you engage her the more she slides to the mud. Second Hayat must know being articulative doesn’t mean that she is a truth teller nor does it tell that she is knowleagble than anybody in this forum. She needs a harness to her excessive boasting that is displaying in her debate. Not good at all.

            Regards

          • Thomas

            Hi Amma,

            Hayat never supports the criminals inside the country. Her view on gedli could have come because of the situation that we see inside our country. Hayat time and again said that she never wanted to see the sovereignty of nation reversed. I strongly believe this is the major point that you need to consider. If you are simply focusing on what Hayat is saying about the gedli, you will be very diisappointed when you hear it from many disappointed country men and women. I am sorry, I never knew you could be diverted to a less essential stuff while the country you fought for is burning inside out.

          • Peace!

            Hi Tomas, Mr. I wish I were an Ethiopian,

            I told you many times your sever identity crisis is not helping you to have a firm position. If you are an Ethiopian, then be proud of the beautiful and prosperous country. Or, if you are mixed, make your mind and stick to it, otherwise spending your whole time defending TPLF and its cadre doesn’t mean you are doing a good job opposing PFDJ rather it only indicates you are a fake ደላይ ፍትሒ.

            Peace!

          • MS

            Selam Peace
            I was laughing the other day when you asked him “entaay wegi’omka” , which could be translated to “What have they injected in you?” That is a fitting question to ask Thomas, albeit terribly stinging. The thing about this guys is that they have no original ideas at all. YG took information that was available in Eritrean discourse, regarding Eritrean revolution, he also reincarnated the politics of 40s and 50s of the past century, which had its own characters and players, he twisted and churned it, adding some flavors along the way, and Voila, the genius YG was borne. In reality, there was no concrete strand of thought that could be attributed to him except his overflowing bashing of our Revolution. Then you have folks like Hayat who feed on YG recycled ideas (per her admission, she does not only read it but she devours it). And that made her to be self-claimed super brainier. Nitrckay has to monitor her brain activities while reading YG articles, you never know there could be some effects there. Then you have the sycophants who clatter around Hayat. While Hayat’s stand on Eritrea and its revolution is clear you have these langa-langa who crisscross borders. One day you read him saying “barbaric ghedli” the next day he behaves to the opposite. He has long lost an anchor.

          • Peace!

            Hala Mahmuday,

            The obvious true is that YG himself doesn’t really know what exactly he is trying to accomplish, let alone ኣሚራ ሓያት she only reads a corrupted script written by TPLF propagandists. In an effort to move on, it turned out even the ወይ ምርሑና ወይ ተመርሑ inclusive approach doesn’t resonate because they have NO vision for post PFDJ Eritrea. In fact, just the name Eritrea itself gives them a huge migraine to the extent they defend anyone who hates her so much regardless the ground. ግዜኻ ኣይተጥፍእ -ሸለል ኣዝዘሎም.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi MS,

            Please accuse me for something I said. I don’t remember saying “Barbaric Ghedli”. This is your second time accusing me of saying this. Almost all tegadelti I meet, they hare upfront and never lie to win anything worth. Still, I think you got me mixed up with someone else. I am ready to receive hits, but not with lies. The truth is the entire population of Eritrea had to go through gedli. You carried guns to defeat the enemy, but the ones you left behind were getting worst treatment because of actions. Don’t you know even priests and imams died because they tried to cover up for you or has taken part in gedli or simply because they were Eritreans? The problem with you is that you think you are all of it. Let me tell, I am with the Eritrean people and the Eritrean people are under attack by the same fighters with whom you were sleeping…………….. I am not saying this is your fault, but get this when you react with those anti gedli. It is never about gedli dongs back then, but about the outcomes gedli that have been witness for over 17 years (26-9 years because somehow the 1st 9 years were relatively productive. Productive because the Eritrean people were active participants).

          • MS

            Selam Thomas
            1. You don’t remember writing “barbaric ghedli”, I believe I remember you saying it, and I reacted to it in due time; I don’t believe I have mistaken you for anyone. However, I readjust my position to your statement. I’m more than happy to recant it and move on.
            2. So, you are telling me villages were burnt, people were herded to churches and mosques to be mowed down by machine guns because of actions “we” had done?
            a/ was fighting an occupational army wrong?
            b/ is it right for a government to ravage civilians indiscriminately just because the combatants who had inflicted it pain had come out of the population? Where do you place the law of war that says warring parties should protect civilians; that they should discriminate between combatants and civilians? Is this another defense of those barbaric regimes?
            3. “I’m with the Eritrean people…” is a hollow statement. Even the party that is ruling Eritrea says that. Haileselasie and Derg said that after razing villages to the ground. When you say that statement, it is clear you are saying I’m against the people. It will be childish of me to react proportionally negative. So, thanks for standing with your people.
            4. GHedli bashers are mad because the outcome of ghedli is bad:…your ex-comrades are making life hellish….
            Well, I have answered this type of erroneous escapist statements. The current situation is what it is because of a failure all of us should shoulder. Ghedli did its part. Remember, when poor tegadelti were trying to make the government accountable IA was wrapped by a loyal and ululating population. The correct solution will come only if you look at things as being part of a process. You have to be able to see the chain of events within their natural process. Those who are mad at the outcome should be able to diagnose the problem correctly and put their blame where it should. Secondly, how is it you hold me responsible for events and processes I’m not part of. Can you accuse the relatives of an adult criminal for acts that adult member commits? Is it fair to accuse individuals had long disassociated from the ruling party simply because they had some association with it in a different era?
            I leave the above for you to ponder on.
            Thanks.

          • Thomas

            Selam Mahamudai,
            Think of a situation where: A Whiteman provokes a Blackman. The black man starts the physical fight and ends up going to jail. The provocateur (white men) is let go. The media views the image of the black man and all Blackmen are said criminals. Now I will answer your questions
            1) _______
            2) I am saying civilians were dying as tegadelti were. Civilians were supporting (including feeding, hiding and providing information to fighters/”tegadeltis”) and for that the occupiers took revenge on civilians. So, as the fight become intense almost all Eritreans were treated as the enemies of the occupiers. At least, there was no trust between the occupiers and the people. Ok, MS now this is just “gebar” talking. You probably are saying this “gebar” talks too much
            a) Fighting an occupying power is never wrong. I never said it was wrong
            b) It is not right for any government to take revenge on civilians. Generally speaking, most civilians were directly and indirectly involved (if not with carrying guns, they provided material and intelligence/information support). No don’t pull the anti gendli card against me:) Gedli is never taught to me, I had to live in it and that I was part of the gedli history. So do not go all “abi” on me. I am not like your friend, “Nitriccay”.
            3) You see you like the gedli card. My people brought me up and that is way I have unlimited love for them. I do not care about who is ruling my nation as long as my people are threated with respect and dignity. Eritrean people are creative people and I am sure they would have made their life better by themselves. I am not guessing on this because is on our side. We do not have any association with the people and the leaders of U.S. but at least I can say (for myself) I am happy here. I am left to run my life and that is all I need in life.
            4) You are either with us (the people/civilians) or against us (the people). You like to talk a lot about the weyanes and almost none about the Eritrean people. Could that be because the other enemies of the mafias are the weyanes and the weyanes has to go so as the mafias be safe? This is the point that always puzzles me.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            Don’t you think what she is doing her is hijacking the forum by constantly attcking Ghedli? What exactly is this going to achieve ?

            If the aim is that whole country who voted to have an independent nation are wrong and she wanted them to admit they are wrong and beg to join Ethiopia and unite. This would be the only reason, other than that why waste time.

            Let’s agree that ghedli did everything wrong. The one thing that we can’t disputed it did right is, to give the people a choice in what they wanted to do with their country i.e. self determination. Ghedli started with that purpose and ended with that goal.

            It’s job is done, it’s over why keep bringing it up now.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Your question, “If the aim is that whole country who voted to have an independent nation are wrong”. I was very exited to vote for my countries independence and I am still happy that Eritrea the land is liberated. However, I cannot think of Eritrea, the land, without her people exploiting her resources and living in peace. This is without the beasts or murderers currently doing what beasts do. My point is Hayat can question anything she wants. It is her right to do so, but what is with the ganging up against her. Don’t you think the ganging up by the mafias is enough? I am saying that they have mastered the name calling course work? For you have a different view, you are labelled a traitor or a wayane agent in case of hayat or you or myself. When is this going to stop? I think the first step we need to do is cut this crap!!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            I do not any problem with your statement and I can say anyone here in AT (less those who support the regime , don’t have cinfidence in what they stand for) will have a problem with it either.

            Personally the issue I have with Hayat, YG or others who question ghedli is that:

            1) they forget/ omit the real reason for Ghedli i.e. Ethiopian government
            2) analyzing and micro analyzing Ghidli history at this time, in my opinion have no immediate value. Yes we should learn from its mistakes and not repeat them.

            But to me, it seems the bobjective is, ghedli was a mistake, so teTaEisna and we would have been better of with Ethiopia. And to be perfectly honest, that would be ok too for anyone to have that believe.

            What I think most people reacting to is, Eritrea has turned out like this and it’s because of Ghedli.

            None of the people who oppose Hatay are in support of the regime and she is not either.

            And I think we need to have a purpose / reason in what we say and right, don’t you agree.

            Dewelling so much on Ghedli is what’s going to serve and how this is helping to fight the regime.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I agree as you said, “Dewelling so much on Ghedli is what’s going to serve and how this is helping to fight the regime”. All those people who are teaming up to attack one person must rethink calm down and think about their ways of engaging her. It is never good to attach the person/hayat when they cannot make it to attack her ideas. The only person I would expect to go after the personalities is Nitricc (not Amma, MS and others). You don’t always cry on a family member who is deceased. Gedli has achieved its purpose and that was like you said created a ground for us to vote on our referendum. We voted yes and our country now is a sovereign nation and a member of the UN. It is from this angle that I advice people to move on and deal with the present and the future.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Thomas,

            You are right, Ghedli is a job done and Eritrea is a sovereign nation now. Ghedli is a page closed and it is only appropriate to draw lessons from. Ghedli is a history and should be left to history scholars. I think it is wise to draw our attention to rectify the present and how to lay strong foundation for a national democratic nation where her people coexist and prosper.

            Al-Arabi

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday and Emma, Gentlement, it is easy:
            1. I will make you feel important.
            2. I am already important.
            which one of the two is bad? Well, I don’t know about you but I say there is no comparison. If the two were stated independent of the other and by their own, both could be bad but the first is about another human person and it is about humiliating. The 2nd is about oneself and worst interpretation it can get is ‘bragging’. When they are spoken as the way they have been used here, which is the 1st was provocative humiliation, the 2nd as a reaction, you can condemn the 1st all the way in the harshest possible language and yet you can never condemn it enough. The 2nd line as a reaction is perfect and the mildest short of insulting back the provocateur. But, you guys wouldn’t see that fairness and logic. You just want to jump at my bones because of views. You guys are falling off the grace at sheer drop speed as far as I am concerned. I wish I could explain my disappointment with you guys in a more deserving language. I am just seeing people and character here, not ideas. It really sucks to see cheap shots coming from former teghadelti in such a way. While questioning the ghedli itself and despising the leadership, I always have respected the fighters for I thought all they were doing in their own way was putting themselves selflessly on the line for the betterment of their society. I will always believe in that. But you guys are failing me in a lot of ways than one. Maybe you were more proximate to the leadership than to the hafash tegadalai. You see, you cannot defend ghedli better than SJ. Because he has never soft and ducking on the matter. But he did not need to lie, exaggerate, dishonesty, cut corners and cheap shots to defend ghedli.
            You look foolish when you repeat words of the juniors like it was a wisdom. What personality desciption blink said fits me, Mahmuday? blink has been fixated on saying that I am fabricator, that I am pathological liar (or was it compulsive?), that I am…, I let him say those because I juniors like him take bliss in lying and being the first to call others lairs. Besides, I have no power to stop him from saying such stuff. But, you too?Which one fits me, Mahmuday? Be a person and come with one prove me to every awatista that you believe. And I am not saying I am not a liar. I am saying there was none such a thing. You accuse me of saying “I am important” while praising the guy who said he can make me feel important? Amazing! Of course, I important and the only validation I need to claim that is me saying those two words. Emma, you should know by now that I don’t shy or duck from facing anyone up. You usually make fool of yourself by jumping into arguments and uttering stuff incoherently. I don’t need to see any certificate to know blink is junior brainier. I can judge him to be just that. Do you judge him to be wise and super thinker? Be my guest. I am not going to ask you if you have seen any credentials to bestow such honor up on him. By the way where in the world have you seen credentials being declared on junior or non junior brains?
            One point should be made though: do not try to bully anyone because one has a different take on any think be it of the past or on the future. ghedli cannot be beyond public scrutiny. it was a public project and public investment. how did it start; how had it been operationalized, what were the outcomes and what lessons are taken? all these are halal questions and they all warrant honest and true reflections. The purpose would be both to archive them and use them. I could never have other reasons. No one is more entitled to the glory (whatever thereof) of ghedli than me because no body was less entitled to the downsides of ghedli than me.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            The whole reaction (from Amanuel H, MS, Semere T….) is/was not just to avoid any sensible intellectual brain gymnastics/discussion about the PROS and CONS of Ghedli – whether or not the end product of Ghedli was worth the sacrifice . No, no, no….

            When it comes to Ghedli, we all know nothing is sacrosanct or off limit to any discussion – be factual or hypothetical. All the reaction was never about defending Blink or defending the “untouchable” Ghedli. It was an EMOTIONAL REACTION to your insult, contempt, and condescending attitude towards ALL ERITREANS who see their Revolution and the sacrifice of their selfless heroes and heroines – dearly.

            Now, just for the benefit of having a sensible discussion, let me post the two paragraphs of your comment

            “Dear H. SGJ,
            Thank you for the kind words. and more from me to you. I also understand the rest of your comment. I don’t want to take you back into ghedli. I know your take on ghedli is different from mine in significant ways but it never bothered me at all. When others say it and you pick some tone of righteousness, that aura of looking down on others who don’t cheer for ghedli, that tendency of paternalistic slap in the wrist, I feel like countering it right away.
            To be honest, ghedli has never been my favorite subject to discuss. I am usually pulled into it. When I am pulled in, albeit involuntarily, I wanted to speak my mind and nobody else’s. I am sorry to find myself partying with those who love flogging a dead horse. But I hate letting a junior brainier to have the last word on me. Once they go head down and tail between out of my way, I can freely entertain any reasonable discussion.”

            Now Hayat: Where in your above comment do you see a response to Blink or to any other Eritrean individual – but to Eritreans all 99.83% collectively?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Most of the time I make my comments short not more the size of one paragraph. In my last two comment which of my statements is incoherent if you want to be my teacher? Could you show me the incoherent statements?

            Second, you claimed to be a fair and logic person. Where is your fairness and your logics to our ghedli and our history?

            Third, you claimed that you are a wise senior brainier in this forum. We haven’t seen qualities from you that exceeds to those who engaged you. I think you believe to be exceptional simply of having a position against our history?

            Forth, there is no more critical than tegadelties to our ghedli for they know the bads and goods of its process than the outsiders. You are welcome to do that. But to deny the cause of the people’s revolution and to call it an Arab motivated ghedli, is a crime in the face of our people who paid their sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts. You are not a solution seeker, you are a trouble maker. If you believe otherwise show us. We haven’t seen any so far.

          • MS

            Dear Hayat
            You keep moving the post. In your last reply to me, you put emphasis on three points and I replied to them point by point. Now, you moved to becoming a moral judge. According to you, it is always the fault of others. Though i would like to wrap up this thread, you keep throwing stuff that i could not afford declining. A first-time reader of your comment would say, “Wow, she makes sense”. For readers who have frequented you, it’s the usual blame game. Now, let me use some magnifying glass to see if your assertions really make sense:
            1. You guys are falling of the grace: a/ “falling” implies positional change, relative to what? Falling relative to ghedli bashers? Relative to clumsy pronouncements and “I know it all” that belittle a who nation, including its history and identity? Falling relative to what Hayat? Honestly some remarks are taken as a budge of honor. I’m glad this did not come from patriots who are contributing towards the betterment of Eritrea.
            b/ grace: What’s grace to you hayat? ridiculing Eritreans? Defending the barbaric regimes of Ethiopia? Dismissing the stories of victims of those backward regimes? What is your reference? Remember grace is a relative term. The only absolute grace is that of the creator. So, tell us what grace means to you.
            2. You former tegadelti are attacking me …Really? To my knowledge, Kokebay is a former tegadalay and he has defended you more often than “attacking you”; also to my knowledge, BerheY, peace, AbrahamH, nitrickay, blink are not tegadelti, and simon Kaleab, BTK, Sara, Saba and many others have not declared one way or the other, but they confront you with facts. To my knowledge neither Emma nor myself has been closer to any glamorous position. And my long debate with Ghehteb should have told you that I’m not a fun of the leadership. I politely encouraged you to come up with a readable summary of your views, so that we can have an intelligent discussion. But you keep throwing callous and derisive statements for which you have no backing facts. And we keep catching you red-handed. Is that our fault? Of course it is, according you. Yes? You also try to create a fault-line between SGJ and the rest of his compatriots. He keeps reminding you that there are things he could not ignore, yet you keep pocking our wounds. The last time you juxtaposed SGJ with YG in an interesting way. You brought Saleh as an appetizer where you had to switch swiftly to gear #5 telling us how leisurely you devoured YG proposal. The thing is SGJ and YG premises and proposals were completely different. Yoiu told us which one of them made more sense to you….
            3. So, you blame us for exaggerating and lying? Not all thrown materials stick Hayat. Wblamed you of lying and exaggerating among many other things and we have been proving it to you along the way. Now, forget about me, could you tell us where Emma made exaggerations and where he lied? Otherwise, it’s going to be a sort of a game only kids are good at.
            4. You blame Emma of incoherence. OK, can you point to statements in which he appeared to be incoherent? Blink has been good at pinpointing your incoherence. Today you made a big announcement, that ghedli was a public project and investment. I don’t know for how long you will remember this. But the last time you spoke of ghedli, you told us it was a project of few Arab influenced individuals.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            I don’t one spring can cleanse you enough. You have come down to the lowest valley to join club of liars at their den. Telling truth redundantly is boring. Telling untrue redundantly shuts off the curiosity of the audience completely. blink has graduated from boring to a curiosity locker. Instead of helping him out of that, you joined him.
            You said and asked this: “you keep throwing callous and derisive statements for which you have no backing facts. And we keep catching you red-handed. Is that our fault?” Yes, it is your fault. Because that never happened. Now, I will turn this one on you: back up your claim. One is enough. Just one!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            The standard measurement of knowledge is by the number of years of trainings through the accredited institutions of knowledge in particular disciplines of knowledge. The way how one interact with you could not and should not be a measurement in evaluating the background of ones training. Do not forget all the forumers in this great website are not politically trained including yourself (correct me if I am wrong your training background). Second acquired knowledge and wisdom are not interchangeable. Wisdom is a knowledge you learn from years long of experiences. It is not acquired by formal training. A credentialed knowledge is knowledge acquired by training. You should be careful when you demeaned individuals junior brained when you do not have clue about them. If you want you could stop interacting with them, otherwise it is an insult to say it. And if you do what makes you wiser than them? Abotatnas entay yiblu: chegurafs enda haremetkas te-Ewi. You are doing the same thing. Hisebilu DeA.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma, MS and all,

            You guys said it well.

            Dear Hayat, I think you should take to heart the words of one of the greatest philosopher, Socrates .

            “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing”.

            Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            “To be honest, ghedli has never been my favorite subject to discuss. I am usually pulled into it. But I hate letting a junior brainier to have the last word on me.”

            So Hayat: Could you explain to us the “junior brainiers”, why the Eritrean Ghedli was wrong?

            Sorry for pulling you into something – that is “not your favorite subject” but can’t stop talking about.

            Semere Tesfai

          • MS

            Ahlan SEmere
            The turnout of Eritreans in the 1993 referendum was 98.5%, and the “yes for independence” vote was 99.83%. That referendum was a result of 30 years of sacrifice of Eritreans. [Hayat, read: ghedli and thus comes”we”]. Even in Meqele, Addis and in Israel, Eritreans are still waving their flag. Of course, all of them are junior brainiers who irritate Hayat…Gooode ina’ko rekhibna!!

          • Nitricc

            Greetings SJ, I just stopped by to read what you have to say and I decided to say a few things at the risk of irritating you. This is the first time you said it and this time around, I have to ask. You said
            ” I admire your intelligence and calm debating style”
            Since when is deception and trickery become a part of intelligence and a style of debate? I understand this is your opinion and you have every right to say so; however, giving your statues, it will be wrong for you to encourage people of dishonesty and void to morality. Since day one this woman all she have done is degrade and attack the Eritrean Gedli. since day one her goal and mission was/is to kill and destroy the Eritrean youth form inside out. It is beyond me, giving your caliber, yet you can’t see the real motive and sinister of Ethiopian lady. Like I have said, you have every right to express your opinion and so am I.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            You didn’t “just stop to read what I have to say”, you just read it. 🙂

            You read it right. What is your question?

            I do not have power to know what I do not know. How do you know she is “an Ethiopian lady”? But you know my stand on people’s identity: I do not care

            I still think Hayat is intelligent and calm. And that is my view. And I do not feel good about Eritreans making excuses for the PFDJ but I have to live with them. And I think their callous behavior is One of the reasons for the anti-Ghedil onslaught.

          • Nitricc

            Greetings SJ; the reason I respond to your take is because you said ” I defend the past and the present only to protect the future” And I thought you meant it. Other ways, I have nothing to do with your Gedli nor with your enemy PFDJ. It is all about the future when you mention the future, I fall for it. that is all.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            You can defend any cause in different ways. You can show the good traits of what you are protecting or defend it in a combative and obnoxious manner. The manners and character we display defines us and unfortunately defines what we think we are protecting Ghedli is damaged more by the way we try to defend it not by the way the nay-Sayers attack it. That is the gist of my message. And for your information, I always mean what I say. Thank you in advance for thinking about what I am saying now.

    • Hayat Adem

      blink,
      You are just soiling the central spirit of the article. It has been months since Ghirmay left us. If he was your problem, he is not any more. He had no public office. He has a right to have a personal opinion like any normal person does, without breaking a law. Do not attack anyone who has no chance to respond to you. I’ll rather remember him for demonstrated selflessness and helping hundreds of Eritrean refugees.

      • blink

        Dear Hayat
        You thought I didn’t know about his passing ,I knew that but so do Awate, I questioned his take on Hamid idris Awate . It is his view that I questioned not his passing. I was thinking to read your comments in between Mr. Dawit, Ismael, saay , MS , Bayan and others on the Dawit article but you never was to be seen yet here you are telling me about things I knew . Yirdaeeki Hayat.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi blink,
          I read Dawit’s late and the train has already moved fast. You acknowledged Ghirmay’s departure and that makes you look worse. SGJ was careful about mentioning individuals but merciless about the behavior, in general. He didn’t say anything about a particular person, dead or living. You didn’t take half of that precaution. Your sword was swung against the dead. That makes you a character of low value.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Ok this article and Dawit’s article are inch away , infact they are almost the same apart from Saleh’s pin pointed at a particular issue. GY view was an unacceptable for me and it is ok for you case closed.
            Now why are you picking points from here and there? Why don’t you address the issue? GY doesn’t need your defense as his views are clearly all over. For me insulting our founding fathers is off limits and I don’t care if the person is alive or dead . You guys have been giving a black mark to our founding fathers while you completely forget about the sadistic dictator at home , how is that possible? What is that you all wanted from selfless brave men who raised to the occasion ?

            To address your insults would be easy but not now Hayat. Being low character is like making lies , fabricating things . We all know who is specialist on that.
            Yiradeeki hayat , come another day at another article.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi blink,
            Why are you shooting while running? Stop running and talk or stop shooting and run; one or the other! beti hade yirdaeeki endabelka beti kali’e tserfi! The dictator you are referring to is one of the founding fathers. If you think he has deviated and diverted, focus on him. Ghirmay didn’t do anything to you while he was alive other than expressing his opinion on public personalities. He won’t do you any wrong for the future because he is not around. But, one of your founding fathers, aka PIA, was the one who has done every wrong to all of us, and he is not done yet. He has the power of destruction and he has used all that to its fullest to damage. He will continue doing that. And here, you are cursing a dead ordinary innocent person out of no where and you are accusing me of holding you to that? People who shoot and run are not or have never been of enviable character. Calling you that would never be the sin. You are living it.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Again I asked you a question concerning your comments . To address this article after that we can insult each other. For me DIA is one of the founder of EPLF not Eritrean revolution as a whole, your friend GY was not accusing DIA, as you know Hamid idris Awate knows nothing about Issaias nor does he dream about EPLF to that effect.

            If you care about your lost friend ,you better stop talking about him as things can go ugly and it will be disservice to the above article.Again I have no interest nor the will to insult you but you started it. Again deal with the article .

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            Don’t make it sound like Ghirmay has risen from his graves and insulted Idris Awate today. The article was addressing the great harm of fanatical and radical assaults on the greater purpose and efforts of pulling this country out of the quagmire it has slipped in to. And what you are supplying is just more of that. You can’t give a wisdom you don’t have. You were not dealing with this article and its central message. You were soiling it.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I mentioned GY because he used to trash Hamid Idris Awate , and Awate happens to be mentioned in this article. Despising our great great founding fathers started by people like your friend GY (if you ever met him) , I can mention many other people and it is not a crime to raise their ugly view.
            If low cunning creatures try to teach humility, it means they are out of gas . I have zero appetite for such . You wanted to protect his views be it. As I have told you any insult on our brave founding fathers is red line for me. I will mention their name , what is itching you now , why this all up and down?

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear blink,
            Yes, Awate was mentioned but Ghirmay was not mentioned. And you couldn’t resist the urge of badmouthing the deceased as you thought there was a window of opportunity to say something, right?
            Well, you can say that for a millionth time thta you are protecting someone or something but I consider you protecting no one nor have you any line at all, red or otherwise. You must know that such roles are filled by people of character, not by anyone who self claims to be one. You are thinking of yourself way beyond your pay grade, brother. Your material is totally different. Just because you say them or just because you even internally think them doesn’t mean you are them.
            I am fascinated by the character of a rooster. He sees himself larger than what it actually is. Not just slightly or twice or even thrice larger but way far and multiple times larger. So much so that the self- made exaggeration leads it to believe that the door entrance made to let humans pass is hardly enough for the size of his highness the rooster. They say, that is why the rooster lowers its head at every entrance door line for fear of being hit by the ceiling.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I am not representing any one , I am expressing my perspective on these insult in chief who you love. Not that I care if they are alive or dead , infact I careless about their where about. You are angry at me for not letting you lie and run with it and it will never happen. I am not saying I am larger than this and that, I am representing my perspective and you are representing some one who despises our heroes and it is your right. Now what is itching you ? Why all this up and down ? Relax this is not the last time your friends will be mentioned. We have been through this and I have already described your behavioral problem , that is simply not going to change because you have in your DNA printed until you go .
            Red line is for me not for your cunning behavior, so deal with it . Stop trying to use higher bar because you can not stay there as you are known to fall down from there when ever you feel the urge.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi blink፥
            “Not that I care if they are alive or dead , in fact I careless about their where about.” You don’t care for the dead?! IA didn’t allow his dead friend a 6ft burial soil. He never cares for anyone or anything. He is so cold; so are you.
            What do you care for, brother? A person who talk like that as if he is out of another world is not good enough to speak of any care at all: be it of human fellows or human causes. Pretentious self images and self claims have never been good enough to substitute real values.
            It is like what that comedian said: my artificial plant died because i didn’t pretend to water it.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Now you want from the prescription that you know , will help you greatly. I don’t really care only about like your friends who has been bashing Eritreans brace achievements , I have repeatedly told you that (specifically) to these insult in chiefs . But about great people who are at the mercy of the sadist are my great interest. I don’t care about these who insult our revolution and our founding fathers . I don’t even count them as human being to be exact , who care about low live cunning scam , rotten tomatoes. These low live filthy liars have been like dead for me long time ago. Do you think I count them as Eritreans , no , I count them as cunts worthless people circling around us to make name of themselves by insulting our history .These small thwart are no match to get my respect. I despise them like the dictator issias or no other , do not you see how I despise liars ?? I am sure you knew by now .

          • Thomas

            Hayat,

            That is why I like you. Your description of him is very true. How do you know these people? Your presence in this forum is exceptionally needed. Please hit them hard where it hurts as usual. Come coming sister and I have to tell I am very proud of you.

          • Peace!

            Hi Hayat,

            I think accusing a dead individual and attacking his opinion are two different things. Yes, GY is entitled to his opinion, and people who disagree with him also have every right to disagree, regardless. Nevertheless, you are famous here in this room defending any individual who tarnish the very foundation of Eritrea. The ironic is that you are ok or even proud with TPLF picking up arms and liberating Tigreans, but when it comes to Eritreans, you do not even have respect for those who sacrificed their lives to liberate their own people. Enough with ክውዒ ብማንካ ክዝሕል ብኢድካ argument. You are wasting your time and energy.

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Peace,
            Long time.. okay you reappeared to say this and that is fine.
            We have enough and alive evil doers still walking around and let’s not waste energy blaming the dead who had done no harm and have no power to harm anyone.
            But if we must discuss the departed, it would be fair to discuss those who had the power of harming. We should be very fair to dead and ordinary individuals. For example, the person in question is Eritrean as any of us. And he may have had written his personal opinions on a number of things. We may agree or disagree with them. We can revisit those opinions if they were that important in terms of priority to discuss them now but we must be balanced. Ghirmay also had helped needy Eritreans in the most tangible and practical way many of us didn’t. He also was fighting the same evil we are fighting. He and his family had been a victim of the very regime of IA. So, why do you have to go after this man who is away and in no position to defend himself or to harm anyone unless you are made of a cheap material? And, what is most amazing is this article is about such divisive and petty interests.

  • Haile S.

    Hi Saleh JG,

    In recent decades, in reaction to the sporadic mayhem perpetuated by few bad groups or people, the world has never stopped from talking about the need of tolerance. How can the objectives of tolerance (peaceful coexistence) be attained if the intolerant ideas within are not weeded out by each concerned society? Your spot-on call for this need and your parables of washing one’s own dirt first is one of those far reaching ideas you have thus far exposed in this forum. Thank you. Talking of washing dirt, when you mention “the few noisy revisionist elements found space to attack our history and our unity…”, those elements use the dirt waters resulting from our country’s incompetent leadership’s laundry to wash away the ‘sins’ and crimes perpetuated on our people by others and that still continues in other forms on the integrity of our country. It is great to read calls and reminders like yours, recently Dawit’s and others not to forget the essential, Eritreans unity and cohesion.
    Haile S.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Haile,
      Thank you for the comment.
      I can tell you from experience, being a whistle blower in Eritrean forums is not fun–it requires so much patience. But holding vital topics for being taboo has not helped us at all. I am sure the disrupters are a very tiny group emboldened by our timidity. I believe a war is being waged on Eritrea from many sides and we have to fight fiercely. I hope you and people like you will continue fighting back relentlessly. No taboo is taboo enough to be ignored when it is killing our resolve.

      Let’s keep the spirit alive.

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Saleh G. Johar,

    It’s fate of goodness that has bestowed on you to “stand tall with the principles” if I may borrow the words of our brother, Bayan. It is a burden of goodness and loyalty to conscientious justice that gave you the wisdom to launch this only outlet that has proven its uniqueness in our distorted world we Eritreans call Eritrea. This distorted world of ours will pass, and has been passing, through such events where the most retarded of our social and cultural make up get opportunities to come out of their seclusions and show their ugly faces and spew poison to disrupt the social cohesion of our society along its journey to straighten the distorting contours and set itself on track of unity for common purpose.

    Please do not relent on the mission fate of goodness has chosen you to fulfill. Thank you for your sharp pencil and mind. May you be blessed, brother

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Ismail,
      Thanks to you and your likes, I was properly initiated to wage a clean fight. Your kind words are too heavy and I will strive to deserve them. But do keep your shadow over us.

      Thank you

  • Bayan Nagash

    Dear Saleh G. Johar,

    All I can think of saying after reading your article is, simply put, AMEN!!! Those of us who do not follow the Arabic and other discussions conducted in different Eritrean languages other than English & Tigrinya, we are grateful to the likes of you who stand tall with the principles that Eritrea was conceived of and became a nation-state for. The fire in your belly is still burning hot, SGJ. You are one rare commodity Eritrea cannot do without. May you live long enough to see the real fruits of your sacrifices, and the intense labor you continue to put forth to keep Eritrea intact as it was conceived when you left to fight for its territorial integrity and independence.

    Respectfully,
    Beyan/Bayan

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Saleh G. Johar,
      It’s fate of goodness that has bestowed on you to “stand tall with the principles” if I may borrow the words of our brother, Bayan. It is a burden of goodness and loyalty to conscientious justice that gave you the wisdom to launch this only outlet that has proven its uniqueness in our distorted world we Eritreans call Eritrea. This distorted world of ours will pass, and has been passing, through such events where the most retarded of our social and cultural make up get opportunities to come out of their seclusions and show their ugly faces and spew poison to disrupt the social cohesion of our society along its journey to straighten the distorting contours and set itself on track of unity for common purpose.
      Please do not relent on the mission fate of goodness has chosen you to fulfill. Thank you for your sharp pencil and mind. May you be blessed, brother.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Beyan,
      Amen and a million Amen.
      I always maintained that we are living in parallel universes and sometimes I wish I was uni-cultural. Maybe wallowing in some tunnel vision would have saved the Heartaches 🙂

      But you know how taboos have killed our struggle when the cures are within reach! Keep your broom handy and lets clean our yards. No one will do it for us.
      Thanks

      • Bayan Nagash

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        ንስኻ ብ’ስኮባ ኣነውን ብግደይ ብሞኸስተርስ ኣይሰንፍን በሃላይ እየ። ስለዚ አጆኻ እስኻ ክትመርሕ አነ ድማ እግሪ እግርኻ እንዳተኸተልኩስ ንምጽራይ ገዛ ድሕር አይብልን።

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