Thursday , September 20 2018
Home / Articles / Absence Of Class Is Filled By Something Lower

Absence Of Class Is Filled By Something Lower

The following was posted on Awate Forum by Burbank, commenter. In following this website’s goal of advancing intelligent debates, we hope it will encourage debates on important issues. Awatestaff


I was glad to read Daniel’s “If You Love Your Country, Reform It” on a Saturday morning.

Unfortunately, it is with regret that I share my opinion about the article which is one of those pieces that are written every day to sway the opinion of those who do not read critically. While the message seems simple and clear, whether it is right or widely-accepted, as the author claimed, or not, I believe it unnecessarily touched a lot of big controversial political and philosophical concepts which are: A) irrelevant to his thesis, and B) don’t seem logically structured to make the conclusion which by itself is, in my opinion, manipulative. Besides he abandoned those concepts half stream in apparently trying to rush his article to the finish line.

First here is the manipulative nature of the conclusion: The author argues that the only solution to Eritrea’s problem is reforming it within. This is an idea as good as it can get even though one can strongly accept or reject it. No problem there. The manipulation comes with what is attached to it. The author bars any other alternatives as emanating from not loving one’s country or an act of burning it. With that attachment, one can sees that the author’s heart lies more to his detest, to the alternative idea and the group that, in his analysis and views, propels that alternative than the reform he seems to argue in favor of.

Now let me back up my own assertions.

1) Group Vs Individual.

Rights: Why would the author even wanted to go to this very broad and controversial concepts just to drop it in our laps as follows: “Therefore, for the sake of this article let’s address the issues facing Eritrea as individual citizens of a country and not as members of any social or political sub-groups that are after all, setup to do the things that individuals cannot do all on their own.”

I cannot understand why the author did but guess that it looks like there are social/political groups that are proponents of the need organize regionally to effect change in Eritrea and that he is here trying to disprove their association by arguing that it is individual responsibility and their rights that matter more than their group aspirations. If that is the case it didn’t go well.

Here is a point for author to research:

Groups are not a mere collection of individuals. Groups, depending their scope, nature of bonding and the conditions that created them, are more dynamic and don’t dissolve with an intense bombings let alone a piece of article. Those political grouping which “think-thanks” like yourself call “regional” and “sub national” have social, economic and political grievances that makes their existence a necessity. Don’t condemn or condone but try to understand the root-causes. Condemning naked regionalism is another form of regionalism under the guise of nationalism.

Case study: There are no ethnocentric people more than the Amhara people, and they loved Ethiopia because they had all the interest (very broad statement). However, they fiercely oppose and detest other ethnic groups when they try to be themselves and think for their own interest because that reduces them as a simple group with a disadvantage of controlling a state power at the Ethiopian level.

One more point: Wherever, there is no class, something lower fills the gap for human needs of creating a group to promote, protect, and fight for their interest.

2) Unsubstantiated assertions:  “For the most part, most Eritreans have rejected the idea of interference by outside forces and the idea of Eritreans solving their own problems by focusing on change from inside the country is now accepted widely.

How did the author arrive at such a bold assertion? Where are the statistics?

But here is a point for the author to ponder on. Blanket ascription to something being popular where the people have not voted freely or polled, is unreal and it is as good as the group-thinking you abhorred in your article. One more example: the overwhelming majority of the Ethiopian people never supported (no poll taken but judging from the rallies that used to take place) wanted the TPLF (Woyane) to topple the Derg, let alone talk about bringing Democracy.

3)We cannot afford for our genuine desire for democratic change to be hijacked by short-sighted sectarian Wing Nuts – no [matter] which corner of the political spectrum they claim to represent.

Really? Why condemn very quick! How sure is the author, judging by the tone and implied message of the article, he himself is not going to be viewed by others as “Wing Nuts”?

4) But more importantly, the Ethiopians have absolutely no right to illegally invade the Eritrean land or airspace. If the recent story has any merit, it should be denounced without ifs and or buts.

It looks to me for someone to be politically relevant and make a statement like the above, which a citizen of any country in the world with no possibility of stumbling will make, (it is that much common) need to have a little power in his hand. Politically, no one can stop the Ethiopians from attacking the Eritreans because the regime is creating the justification. Does the author have control over what the Eritrean regime does to Ethiopia, to fully condemn Ethiopia? If you do, count me in to support you. If you don’t why make such obvious statement?

But one can only guess why, by reading between the lines: The author belongs to a small fringe in Eritrea who want, wish, and write for the removal of the upper ruling clique only and with no radical change that can shake up the class dynamism, interest, and structure of the status quo. For that, he is exploiting the nationalistic feeling by employing issues of sovereignty. He is neither the first not the last to do that.

About awatestaff

Check Also

The Abiy Phenomenon

How volatile human affairs are!   A couple of decades ago, who would have thought the …

  • Hope

    Breaking News for a “Tea break” from the nonsensical debate:
    Opposition Groups,Personalities and Websites GO Nuclear to sanction Eritrea Economically!
    Eritrea: STOP EU FUNDING of ERITREA’S REPRESSIVE REGIME – “THE ROOT CAUSE OF REFUGEE CRISIS!”
    Source: asmarino(mekelino).com
    Hypocrisy:
    -No Petition to force the Ouccupier to leave the Sovereign Land.
    -No Petition how to help Dying Refugees in Yemen,israel,Dijbouti
    -No Petition how to defend Eritrea,which is being threatened and bombed by the same Occupier!

    • ‘Gheteb

      Wo Wed-Ad Cousin Hope,
      I am not sure if you read my post ” The Eritrean Opposition EU Thing” that was posted 10 days ago. Is there any new development, Cuz Hope? I have addressed the hypocrisy of the Eritrean opposition group in the post.
      Thanks!

      • Hope

        Ahlen Gheteb,
        I read you and I just did it purposely-since–Dr Russom et al of “Asmarino.com” have been on it-nonstop–including Prof.Tes here,who started petitioning since the rumor came up few months ago.
        I was trying to divert the debate to a real and serious one.
        Mr.Amanuel Hidrat et al:
        What do you call this petiton?
        Targeted against the PFDJ and it Officials?
        Please,say something,do not hide…in the cave.
        We should rather make petitions to the EU to pressure the PFDJ regime for the implementation of the Ratified Constitution so that all problems will be minimized or even gone for good…since the Constitution will make us all to be responsible to bring urgent solutions–

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Hope:
          PFDJ has been pressured to implement the ratified const. It killed it and it is drafting a new one that you, I think applauded. Yes the petition is targeted against PFDJ we know the monies will not be used to solve problems but create more prisons and prisoners. Get it. If PFDJ leaves the people alone, they will create jobs, they do not need PFDJ to create jobs for them. This aid is just a frustrated Europe reacting. I think it will pay more dividends for Europe if just bomb IA’s palace to facilitate the removal of PFDJ than subsidizing the repression. History will be more kind to Europe if it bombs PFDJ than giving it a life line to strengthen the tyrant
          You are moody about this PFDJ thing and you cannot make your mind in separting Eritrea from PFDJ

          • Hope

            Sem:

            You said;”You are moody about this PFDJ thing and you cannot make your mind in separating Eritrea from PFDJ”!

            That exactly defines you and your likes.

            You cannot differentiate between the PFDJ and Eritrea as you are for the collapse of Eritrea in the name of collapsing the PFDJ by any means,including the invasion of a Sovereign Nation..

            Blame yourself and your crippled Oppposition…for letting the PFDJ to be where it is .

            I am for the EU Fund even if only 1% of the money goes for good.:

            -Energy

            -Food Security,

            -Vocational Schools.

            -Basic Infra-Structure..

            Somethiong is better than NOTHING!

            Wether the EU is frustrated or not,it is doing something—at least to try the outcome so thatthe influx of the Refugees slows down..even though they will have more than enough from Syria,Iraq,etc–by their own making… and fault,as they have done it to/on Eritrea!

            The multimillion question is:

            -Are you doing something?I doubt it.NADA,in fact!Other than toothless nittirik with Nittric.

            Walk the talk.We cannot even have an organized opposition to deal with the basic issues of our refugees…

            -Tell me why you are silent about the negative role of the TPLF ,which have aggravated the situation.

            -Tell me why you never ever petitioned to “push” the Weyenti to resolve the border issue,which seems to be the culprit–and excuse for PIA/PFDJ

            You are basically advocating for further exodus of the Refugees/the Youth.by petitioning against the EU Fund/Aid…….for reasons and you and only you know..

            The PFDJ does NOT need a single penny from the EU to be in the status quo

            For the record,the EU and the CIA/USA are the eye account witnesses that the same PFDJ applied/used all the Aid to where it should be…No Nation under the Sun have done that in history.
            Corruprtion? Huh,tell me about corruptiuon in Canada! I can tell that Corruption in the USA is the mother of all Corruptions.
            -Talk about Bush Era-!
            -Talk about your Weyane style Corruprtion,which stole more than 13 billion USD in less than 10 yrs.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Greetings All,

    A Kool-Aid Brand Named “Adam’s Life”

    A Kool-Aid which was concocted some years ago has been in the ‘Awate Forum market’ for a while now. It has its share of admirers and happy customers who are satisfied with the taste and content/ingriedent of this Kool-Aid. Of course, there are those ‘in the know’ who not only can’t stand the smell and flavor of this Kool-Aid, but also are keenly aware of its factitious and synthetic ingredients. What is more, is the fact that those who are acutely averse to this artificial drink know that it’s effects are not salubrious.

    The effects of this bevearge on those who ingurgitate it is readily noticeable. There are those who drift to hypnogogic hallucinations after chowing an injera/Zigni meal in Tigrayan restuarnt and imbibing a jug of Adam’s Life Kool-Aid and go about reciting verses analogous to that of Aboy Qeshi. And, there are those who after quaffing an abundant amount of this Kool-Aid while ingesting TiHlo, will transform from an honest Dagna (ዳኛ) to a “Firde Gemdel Dagna” (ፍርደ ገምድል ዳኛ). And finally, those self-seekers can’t help it but show their opportunistic nature even after they take only a sip of this Kool-Aid.

    Now, if you are ‘addicted’ to this Kool-Aid, then you care less about honesty, sincerity and authenticity. Why should you? You want to keep drinking this Kool-Aid, quench your thirst and use it and abuse it to get even with those who exposed your double, self-seeking, opportunistic and less than honest nature. Use it to question the identity of those who either ignored you or exposed you. And, use it to get even with those you can’t hold in a debate and declare that they lost the debate as if you are an impartial judge.

    That was what I have witnessed yesterday in this Forum. From those who dream to play the role of peace makers who don’t have the guts for the truth to those who have made it a habit of sacrificing truth in the altar of self-seeking. We failed to see people calling out a deceiver and a pretender from changing the subject and endlessly lying.

    Does SAAY Hate Ethiopia Or SAAY Is About “Eritrean Ego And Pride”?

    As I watch the ghastly contortion by a person into an unwieldy knots and peeling off on a tangent and changing the three issues at hand and changing them into one accusation that SAAY hates Ethiopia, one hoped for a gutsy person who doesn’t mind calling a spade a spade to stand up and demand the truth. Well, I was hoping that we will finally be graced with an Awate Forumer who will finaly cut the Gordian knot, so to speak, and give this Forum the much needed respite from all the hullabalo and all the ‘Derona’ (ዶረና ) that one person and only one person has created and as a result has suffocated this Forum. Below find what the Deceiver-cum- dissembler has to say about SAAY 20 days ago. Then, SAAY was all about Eritrean ego and pride; now SAAY is about hating Ethiopia. Well, 20 days was about denigrating ‘Gheteb; now it is about besmirching SAAY.

    One thing is clear, though. The person using the pen name Hayat Adem is an unscrupulous in a mission to HUMILIATE Eritrea and an avowed water-carrier for Weyane-led Ethiopia’s Eritrea agenda. That I am 110% sure. However, there are SILENT victims in the whole shenanigans that the person using the pen name Hayat Adem is utilizing. There are those whose real name is Hayat Adems in real life and in flesh and their name is dragged to the gutters by this PECCANT person. Shame!

    Hayat Adem Mahmud Saleh • 19 days ago

    Sem,

    You are giving him too much. i don’t see serray in him. serray has never made me read volumes for a peice of redundent message. his, serray’s qualities have been high intensity with fewer lines, entertaining and peircing. i see no mahmuday in him. mahmuday is about don’t do it too much. don’t love weyanne too much, don’t hate eplf too much. this guy is about too much of it inversly speaking. he hates weyanne too much and he loves pfdj too much. i don’t see saay in him. saay is about eritrean pride and ego. if it means protecting that ego and pride, he can go as far as loving pfdj. if it is about protecting eritrean ego and pride, he has no problem of hating and sarificing weyanne. all i see in him is Nitricc+good english+some latinina

  • Hayat Adem

    Tes,
    We can discuss and you can go nuclear on me but do not put your own ideas in my head. Don’t say I said things that I din’t say. Don’t say as if I called Ethiopia to invade Eritrea. Don’t say as I called for any kind of war. All I am saying is in support of removing PFDJ. You also want the same thing. Now the next is a how-issue. I say, by all means necessary. you said the same. Now does that “by all means necessary” concept include outside help or it is purely based on local resource and mobilizations? Here is where the difference between you and me starts. We are not really that apart the way your angry language signals. We can discuss on the little gap we have between us.
    With Saay, you are world apart and let me show you why I say so.You say, weed out PFDJ. He says, reform PFDJ. You say by all means necessary. He says only in a non-violent way or by democratic coup with an aim of removing PIA only. This democratic coup” crap should be tested in your lab of Newtonian Law. Please run that test and tell me your findings.
    Hayat

  • Hayat Adem

    Passerby,
    I understand now. Well, he can’t tell me Arabic is a native language for the Afars as the gentlman under discussion is from Afar. They can pick any language that helps to communicate in addition to their own language. Arabic is one. English is another. Why not Amharic? In fact, we now have a good number of Amiche who can make a good use of that. It is not a very far alien language. Our neighbors use it. As Arabic can be a diplomatic resource with many of our immediate neighbors and beyond so can be Amharic with Ethiopia. No one claims to be native Arabic in Eritrea except the 2% Rashaida. For the rest Arabic is needed for the purposes of functional communication, not as an element of identity. There is nothing taboo about using languages that serve the purpose. We don’t need to be stereotypical about it.
    Hayat

    • Shum

      Hello Hayat,

      You’re wrong about Arabic not being an element of identity. That is germane to this discussion because you’re putting Amharic on par with Arabic. Amharic is not an element of identity for Eritreans, Arabic is. Amharic has not and does not currently have a constituency advocating for it. Arabic does. The way you describe Arabic as a language for diplomatic and external countries suggests you don’t understand how Arabic fits into our own society, internally.

      Speaking of Afars, you are aware that our neighbor, Djibouti, is made up of Afars and Somali and their official languages are French and Arabic. Also, you are aware that Afars are part of the constituency that advocated for Arabic during our struggle, are you not?

      • Fnote Selam

        Shum nebsi,

        Amharic does have constituency in Eritrea, remember those deported from Ethiopia…..?

        FS.

        • Shum

          Hello Fnote,

          Eritreans speak multiple languages, that is not up for debate. And there is nothing wrong with speaking any language you’re comfortable with. We are talking about what we should use in our official capacity as Eritrean organizations and tangentially, official and working languages. We agreed on an approach in our early days during the Federation and after to use Arabic and Tigrinya, recognizing that we had multiple languages in Eritrea. Amharic never registered as an official language for us. Even now with a big Amiche population, you won’t find a constituency advocating for it in an official capacity. There is nothing wrong with speaking Amharic, but yeah, it left a bad taste in our mouth when it replaced our choices for official languages.

          As for Oromo, I do think it has more prominence now in Ethiopia. If you drive through Oromia today, you will see their language featured prominently. And I do believe it is used in schools and governments in that region. However, keep in mind, it’s not always about numbers. Amharic has been used for a long time and spread to more people in Ethiopia. It also has had a writing script throughout which helped it gain prominence even in a society where most were illiterate. And Amharic has been the language for the ruling regimes in modern times at least. You see how they tried to shove it down our throats. But take my words with a grain of salt. I’m sure there are Ethiopians here who can give you more feedback.

          • Fnote Selam

            HI Shum,

            The reason I brought the Amharic thing was partly a joke and partly so that we would be able to articulate why Amharic could not be considered Eritrean language instead of just dismissing the idea (which BTW is actually derived from a coworker of a friend (deported from Eth) who complained that gov would not allow them to learn in Amharic at schools).

            Your answer to the Oromo language is very reasonable, and in fact it does partly explains as to why Arabic is a prominent language in Eritrea.

            Thanks,

            FS.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Shum,
        Certainly this has been part of the debate for many times. My view is it is not but I’m aware also that it has been debatable and sensitive. I’m of the view that it is an adopted resource not an element of identity either for the entire Eritrea in general or to the Afar people in particular. language as an element of identity is defined in its nativity.

  • Millenium

    Hi Hayat:

    “The president effectively demolished the Eritrea Is A Neighborhood Bully argument. This is patently silly when it comes from comrade PM Meles. Eritrea’s dispute with Yemen? Funny you should mention that, comrade, but wasn’t it your government who provided us with all the documents that support our case?” this is far from the way you characterized it; it means Ethiopia can not accuse Eritrea of being a neighbourhood bully while Ethiopia has full knowledge of what transpired as it had already provided Eritrea with documents that supported Eritrea’s case. You are so keen to glamorise Ethiopia’s action and show any Eritrea’s action in bad light. This quote only proves Sal’s point and not yours.

  • Hayat Adem

    Viva Mesele,
    Please come more often. Awate is fine as a house and we can make it more beautiful place of fresh ideas. Sal is containable. Just waste a few days discussing about issues that never mattered and will never matter and then it is going to be about those Eritrean biggest problems again.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Tes,
    why don’t yourself focus on the ideas first before you advise others? Why don’t you stop name calling? Why don’t stop your nuclear war?

    • selam

      Dear hayat

      look at him he spend the whole night talking alone and waiting for you to reply t words.
      If I was you , I would just balst him with sugar and left him with excess blood in his vein and his heart beat cross to 80
      now I rest my case with you , as I am mindful of what you say next.

      he has no idea , he is in a mission to findnewton DNA and he end up dru k after fruitless search.

      Newton law , what is really wrong with you mr drunk . You write newtone law more than any nice words leave her alone.
      And please show some respect if some one ask you not to repeat certain words just stop unless you are became something an describable . I mean irregular objects.

  • Ted

    Tes, who knew the Newtonian theory can be applied to idea vs identity. Well said but the truth is we failed badly to subdue the radical(venomous) idea which is disintegrating the very fabric of political movement we are hoping to have. People with this“ radical idea“ has overwhelmed Eritreans to the point our moral and vigor to fight for our country went down the drain. It seems about the identity but it is not. The root cause is the venomous idea and the persistence and extent they want to promote it and It is natural to ask “ are you really Eritrean to say such things“

    • selam

      Dear Ted
      Do you remember the time Tes was all over me and shouting for saying just hayat idea was evil . He accused me of being PFDJ because she accused me such. From that time he tried everything to silence me. Now I am happy he find out that the most evil person was not me.

      • Ted

        Dear selam, i still remember the heated back and forth with him.I am glad it is over. The issue now is Why the heroic people Eritreans have not gotten what they deserve(freedom) after decades of struggle. There are a lot of answered question but We need start with the fight to free ourselves from those who want lick TPLF`s boots.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Ted,
          If there is any single line that wants TPLF to invade Eritrea I will support your Idea. but before thinking about the external factor I believe it wise to think and questions like this how do we get to this mess? Why PFDJ is still on power? If still think PFDJ came or installed by others, (although there was an external force who supported DIA) that is wrong. problems are never from external force in first hand. problems are created within that allows external enemy to come and play. so I hope you will agree with me PFDJ is ours, the result of our thinking. hence removing DIA only will not solve the problem removing PFDJ as whole can help but the real change is on our way of thinking. there was no and will not be crop that grows on soil that don’t have the items that allows it to grow.

          if the above is clear for you, no external force will affect our revolution for change if we have trust and confidence on ourselves. I hope you will come with creative reply. I mean creative not giving week reasons to avoid change.

          • Ted

            Dear KS, We shouldn’t focus just removing PIA to get what we want. What we want is lasting freedom and justice in our country. So if that is the case PFDJ can be a problem or a solution. The are a problem is they continue their current stand of my way or the highway or a solution if they oblige by the demand of the people. Yes, we are capable of bringing change in Eritrea but we need to understand what is holding them back. Many things , PFDJ propaganda, apathy due to uncertainty of the outcome, fear of political vacuum and chaos, lack of united opposition. None of us as opposition have started addressing the concern of the people. We can be a great help if we focus our effort to empower them, to break free PFDJ propaganda, show united front, reject and expose outside intruders ….. but for the last 15 years we did the opposite. We planed their future, chose wrong friends, disunited people, disconnected with the stakeholders….. by doing so we exasperate their fear, the fear what would come of their uprising, the fear of the unknown.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted; I agree with you that we need lasting freedom, justice, peace and most of all social justice for Eritrea. Now we know, we don’t have any kind of opposition; be it Tigrigna speakers, be it Amharic speaker’s lol or Arabic speakers. In fact the writing on the walls is trying to tell us what is a head? the EU are changing their tons. They are about to give hundreds of millions of Euros to the once considered to be the worst dictator. The UK is talking different language by contradicting the refugees claim and I believe Obama will do something in the near future about the border issues. All indications are pointing to believing that “THIS SYSTEM CAN BE REFORMED” and I also believe the government of Eritrea will do some change on the political arena that will make them look reform-able. I do believe this has caused great concern to the TPLF crowd. I think this is the whole origination of the so called Ethiopian attack in Eritrea. For TPLF nothing will scare them than the reemergence of Eritrea with PFDJ and PIA on the helm. The worst is over and I see it, Eritrea taking off, from the launcher pad. Put your seat belt on, relax and enjoy; the journey is on.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted, no where we came closer (you and me) than today. at least we have come to the point that we need the lasting solution. the problems you mention are all correct we exception in watching he method of PFDJ and the game they are playing using the ex-PFDJ terrorized once. with all the difficulties we have I still believe we could have gone more near to Asmara if the terrorized were not around opposition. those are the once who don’t want to see the total death of PFDJ due to their past history. first they still believe the back-warded anti peace leaders are the only heroes who can do things. 2nd they are caught with their past deals with PFDJ.

            recently, I fully found out and understood dealing with this said was the worst thing opposition have done. the other method PFDJ is using is sending her spy and play the religious card again within those active members of opposition. This makes me believe the journey toward on disciplined military force is the first step we should take. supporting the already on the field is another solution.

            as you can see, it is only the responsible who take risk for change that we need. not scattered parties who are suspicious, who lost confidence and are always in doubt of their own heroes.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Selam,
        Don’t be sure about Tes. Here is what he wrote a second ago: ” Selam’s words are venomic towards Ethiopian people in general, especially to Tigrains. She should learn what words are coming from her typing. A PFDJ mindset and its methodology is only full of hate and targets the people.” Does this sound that he is letting you go? He was just giving you a break.

        • tes

          Hayat Adem

          I just stopped under her name because she is a crap. Still, I don’t forget who she is.

          For you, I will not leave you unless I am banned because you are an active messenger that need to be challenged and dumped for good.

          You have no idea to be discussed. You have just a message and your message need to be killed. And this is my objective.

          Vampire

          tes

          • Shum

            Hello Tes,

            You really need to chill out. Calling someone crap and vampire is just outrageous and weird. You can’t attribute this to English language issues. It’s nonsense.

        • Abi

          Dear Hayat
          Please please please don’t respond to this person . You are in a different league.
          Qelal yaqelal.

        • selam

          Dear Hayat
          will you be happy if I blow his head off ? because as you know he is not stable. how could one person spend the whole night and year talking about newton law and bla bla. He is unstable and he has a night mear so he can not let me go.
          I know tesfe more than any one you can think of , I know every thing about him. I am the one who is letting him go . Unless I can make him disappear from this site. No one , I repeat no one more than me knows every thing about Tes.
          Now I normally think you are smart, intelligent minus the killing instinct you have.
          I always loved people who think out side the box I really do, but you disappointed me on the 80,000 eritreans , weyane and also the war calling bell you have. Unless i regard you one of a kind to be . Forget this mad person , i really think he should beg me not to throw him under seawage.

    • tes

      Dear Ted,

      Thank you for the compliments.

      I do appreciate identity and I want to know identity because identity is a pride.

      What I am talking about is on identity of ideas. For example, PFDJ is non-Eritrean by all measurements smply because it is against humanity in general and against humanity in particular. Therefore, we ask about Eritrean identity, what we ask is about intentions and intentions are ideas.

      tes

      Aha, that lady selam, the PFDJista, she can’t leave me alone.

      If Hayat Adem is hated by us (Eritreans) so selam is by Ethiopians. Selam’s words are venomic towards Ethiopian people in general, especially to Tigrains. She should learn what words are coming from her typing. A PFDJ mindset and its methodology is only full of hate and targets the people. When I oppose selam’s approach to Hayat Adem, it was because of here methodology not because of ideas. selam used TPLF to attack Hayat Adem. During this attack, Hayat Adem got freedom and TPLF became a victim.

      • Ted

        Tes,you are to the point. the venomous idea is deep rooted that became the stumbling block for genuine change seekers to be a part of the movement. I like the term “weed out” in a sense we go forward with all our eyes on those who don’t have faith that we can solve our problem. Selam may have said things possibly irritate Ethiopians but as i see it was not her intention that she was provoked to use a broad stroke attacking TPLF sympathizers. So if we are taking about “the intention of ideas” we come to one understanding that we fight for justice by our boot strap including with what you call “chauvinists” or “gual Hidrats” . We have wasted enough time arguing how TPLF lovers are wrong to no avail and they are not going to change .

      • selam

        Dear Tes
        You have no a single prove that I insult or hate the tigrai people. You are making this up. Stop producing none consumer goods to be thrown . I repeat all my attacks were against weyane. I know the difference between weyane and the great tigrai people.

  • selam

    Dear semere
    I do not think you remember who said what . What you have here is a com9let lose of dignity of human being.
    I am not the one calling ethiopia to bomb eritrea for how long I do not know. I am not the one you wish to call me names .
    I never said or accuse people for things they never said or intended to say. But you , yes you semre andom accuse people with no prove. You semere andom are not fighting more than me to cut off IA. But since I do not buy your mama ethiopia help me , you are saying and choosing hayat .

  • Amde

    Tes

    Calling another person non-human Is despicable.

    • tes

      Amde,

      How about to call killers to kill people? Isn’t it despicable?

      tes

    • tes

      Supposed to be posted in your latest response

      Dear Amde,

      Aha, thank you. You brought a good example. Do you know how many years it took the war to end? Do you know howm many lifes and properties passed?

      Isn’t it this recorded about such killings

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Kbdz2DqCo

      Just think about what intervention is. I think you are thinking such intervention will end like the foot-ball match within 2 hrs.

      And you are telling me that calling someone nonhuman can put me on the path of exterminators. Really? How about calling for an open intervention, literraly calling war between countries? Isn’t she a killer by herself?

      tes

      • Hope

        Tes,
        I wish you could show Amde and hayat–Abi et al included-Ghebrekirkos or -whatever his name is,as well:
        – While Ona and its more than 600 people were burning-into ashes-neonates included
        -Besikdira Mosque being burned into ashes whith hundreds of the Faithful praying for their last breath/lives.
        -more than 400 people,kids and pregnant women and elderly people included-being over-run by heavy tanks
        -Pregnant women being stabbed to their Gravid Uteri/abdomens with military Bayonnettes
        etc–
        “yegodda biresa,yetegoda ayresam”–so that they can understand it in their own language!
        But, we made it though–tebedihu eyyu—nay lom-zemen Bidho ewin Kibidahin kihalifin eyyu…be it from inside or outside.That is for fact–as History is the Livng witness!
        I have understood you now very well from head to toe, as to from where you are coming from.
        Never kneel down Yidanday Hayis-EXCEPT when adoring the Lord of the lords and when shooting at the enemy-like you are doing it right now,

        Abshirka,hayis wo Faris nay Farsotat!
        “Those who attempted (in vain) to kill Eritrea and Eritreans,are either dead and/or will die,VERY SOON”!
        In the mean time:
        Keep the Faith,Bro–and Forgive so as to be forgiven,when needed-so as to be forgiven!

      • Amde

        Tes,

        Thank you – that was 9:34 I will never get back. Please tell me you know Vietnamese or Khmer or Thai, because I can’t tell what you are trying to tell me using a clip from a movie. Am I right in suspecting you brought a Khmer Rouge propaganda movie to demonstrate the Cambodians were better off with the Khmer Rouge? Are you, Tes?

    • selam

      Amde , yes especially if it is to some one you care . Lol I thought you are becaming revoving door that operates by humans pushing it 360 degree. Can you imagine the people who are pushing happens to be you and face an ugly fat woman like me and vomit over your head . How does it sound . Political speaking I should go to prison for this comment but since I am saying this personally I deserve an oscare for the best actor. Feeling your self is no more important sir, doing important thing is another job.

  • selam

    Dear all
    There is something in the culture of banking that lends itself toward making otherwise fairly good , smart people do bad things. These people some times can work in bank and some times in political war fare , please see one of them is in awate.com continuesly doing this bad thing.

    You may think identity is not a factore here but I can asure you ,identity is the most crucial factor , here she thinks every one is doing so do I , well what she does not understand is that , she is just like a banker , who is working for credit swap.
    I can say the word swap is quite harish and bad but that is what she is doing.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    1) Amde, please, now what! I’m suspected of being a dog?

    2) Saay is in trouble. As a host, he has the power to ban me. He could do it without any reason or he could do it on justified ground. If he does the former, he will be appearing rogue and hurt the image of the reputation of the Awate. To do it on a justified ground, he needs an evidence to support. Evidence, he has not. None. Because all evidence is with me, none with him. I’ve all the privilege on what to tell you and not to tell you. So, we already said he is smart, right? He needed to do something about it. First, he tried to ignore me. Gosh, that was visibly painful to him. He even contemplated of retiring. He thought people like Gud or Gheteb could do the job for him. So it is a problem that needs to be solved. He took a three month sabbatical break to investigate and came up with a “circumstantial evidence” based on linguistic profiling. And then jumped to a conclusion about who I am. It didn’t bother him that there wasn’t a precedence of linguistic profiling on anyone else before. It didn’t bother him that you would all know linguistic profiling is only a good tool to attribute styles or roots, never citizenship. I’ve never heard of such a thing in my entire life. If an Eskimo happens to claim that he is Eritrean, the immigration officer would only look at the standard papers, not her language or the variant slung of it. Saay is acting more than an immigration officer.

    3) His website was built to stimulate ideas. Given some rules of discipline and decency are observed, he is supposed to be happy hosting everyone. And he is doing that to his credit except that I’m becoming the exception. Why am I becoming the exception? Did I violate any of the rules? Nope. Did I undermine the quality and mission purpose of the website? Nope. Did I drag down the excellence standards of the website? I didn’t think so. There is one thing I did. I mercilessly challenged Saay the person and he couldn’t stand me. Now, he is trying cheap ways to get at me. He is that weak. Smart but weak, weak enough to be intimidated by new ideas. He said this:, not verbatim, “we have built this website with sweat and tears, and we are not going to let it be hijacked by Sophists, frauds, imposters…”. What?

    4) I can accuse him of misplaying his Host role on questioning my identity in public for no reason. He has no right to profile me. But I don’t want really to burden anyone in the admin to go through this and besides I’m okay handling it myself. Now, he is wearing another hat, Saay as the commenter and not the host. He says I’m violating the identity deception rule. Well, I’m telling him loudly that I’m not. But he is violating them right and left as a commenter. He could be the one writing these rules and I say the rules are great. The recent rules clearly stipulate that commenters should accept the nick name, gender, religion of other commenters as are and not try to give them their own interpretations. It also says they should refrain from unsubstantiated allegations. He is running a bulldozer over them. It is not because he doesn’t know them because he wrote them but his urge and hate against me is getting the best of him to do all that. Why? Nothing personal- he hates my ideas and views.

    5) His hate for Ethiopia is traceable in many of his exchanges. But one that surprised me was his one take about an Ethiopian language, namely Amharic. He was, as Awate staff, interviewing an opposition umbrella official some years back. One of his questions was very telling. He accused one head of a member party of using Amharic in his letter to communicate with somebody. Why would Saay, who is not even a member of that organization accusing someone for using Swahli let alone Amharic. I want you to compare the question which Saay, the writer and the answer who is an Eritrean politician. It is irony that it looked as if the politician who can be understood if he wanted to play with sentiments had a cool head as opposed to Saay.

    Saay’s question: “Do you agree that the behavior of the individual organizations (and the leadership) of the members of the EDA reflects positively and negatively on the EDA overall? If so, do you think Mr. [Ibrahim] Haroun’s decision to write his correspondence in Amharic reflect negatively not just on him, or his organization, but on the EDA overall? And if the answer is yes, does the EDA Executive Committee to whom he belongs, have the authority to tell him, “knock it off!” Wasn’t one of the major grievances that resulted in waging the struggle the elevation of Amharic over our own languages?”

    The answer: “Let me address your last question first. We were not opposed to Amharic as a language, but the policies of the Ethiopian rulers to replace our languages with the Amharic language. Since Eritrea is now an independent nation that uses its own languages, there is insufficient cause to be anxious that Amharic will dominate or replace our languages. Moreover, we all accept the fact that language is a means of communication. We should not overlook the fact that if we are able to comprehend the language of our neighbors and our neighbors are able to know our languages, this will have a big role in strengthening our political, economic, social, cultural and trade relations. The question of which language should one use is decided by the question of whom is one trying to address one’s message? What is natural is that when the message is intended for Eritreans, one should use Eritrean languages and when the message is intended for Ethiopians, one should use Ethiopian languages.”
    It is irony that it looked as if the politician who can be understood if he wanted to play with sentiments had a cool head as opposed to Saay.

    6) Saay would use anything to win a case. He uses John Young but he ignores if other quote John Young. If you quote HRW for him he questions he questions it unless the link is given. He again raises the credibility of sources after months invoking the absence of URL. His point: implying the questionability of the authenticity of the sources. But why didn’t you ask then? Okay, they are here below: http://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/e/ethiopia/ethiopia.919/d1relief.pdf

    7) I already said, there is nothing Saay wouldn’t use to score a point. He would drag Fanti. He would call the testimony of Gebremedhin Araya, the acclaimed psycho. What not! But this is my favorite: Eritrea entered a conflict against Yemen in 1995. Remember? Officially, Ethiopia was trying to mediate the two. But it was being rumored Ethiopia was supporting Eritrea secretively. We heard missiles and documents were given to Eritrea by Ethiopia. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ethiopia was tempted to help Eritrea given the fraternity and proximity because I personally want to see more of that between the two. But it would jeopardize Ethiopia’s image if Yemen knew that Ethiopia was playing double face. Being thankful for the help is one thing. But trying to use it against the one who helped you is characteristically incomprehensible. Even if there temptations, you wouldn’t use the very act of help against the help. But for Saay, being from the school of relativism, everything is usable as long as it helps for scoring a point. The context for the following quote is that Ethiopia was accusing Eritrea of triggering a conflict with all its neighbors, not just Ethiopia but Sudan, Djibouti, Yemen. Saay had to jump his gun: “The president effectively demolished the Eritrea Is A Neighborhood Bully argument. This is patently silly when it comes from comrade PM Meles. Eritrea’s dispute with Yemen? Funny you should mention that, comrade, but wasn’t it your government who provided us with all the documents that support our case?” Meles would say: wow, you are welcome Saay!

    8) The issue of honesty and deception (Mahmuday, KS, Emma and Sem and others): The only matter I didn’t tell you is my real name because I use a penname. There is nothing I held back on my views in this forum. Saay is not bringing you any new material. It is something I wrote here months ago. You have read them before. Nothing new. Why is doing that after all this time? You know it. There are two things that I’m amazed to have seen them in Saay: his hate on Ethiopians and his unfinished love for PFDJ. This guy thought he saw a suspicious word or two, and magnified his suspicion into making them a mountain and pushing his suspicion around- this drama is unbelievable. Can I suspect even if I am person who claims to be Eritrean and my slung unmistakably places me in another region? This is ridiculous. Ridiculous it is, it is Saay who should be questionable for trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill. Please look for the clues in Saay’s rushing urge to push this. I believe his problem is in my ideas not my identity. He thinks I always support Ethiopia more than Eritrea. He thinks I blame PFDJ too much and I hardly blame TPLF. He is subtly implying I do it in a dangerously convincing way. Otherwise, he wouldn’t bother to notice me let alone open a campaign against me.

    9) My world is different, of course. If I don’t hate Ethiopia, it is because I believe the long term interests of Eritrea (lasting peace, sustained development, and continued stability) are guaranteed that way. If I bitterly blame PFDJ, it is because I see all Eritrean curses are incubated by this evil institution. Saay couldn’t stand me for taking this stand. I tell him “you are welcome”. But, I’m not going to reveal my penname fearing his attacks. I wouldn’t mind fighting him for years. I wouldn’t mind being banned if that is what he wants. I wouldn’t mind being mediated if he wants that too. I wouldn’t mind being ignored by him as he sometimes does if he chooses so. But I’ll never be pressured and pushed around by his game. I need not deny or confirm anything for his sake.

    10) I’m so so so sorry to get you into this all, guys, but we are done yet.

    Hayat

    • selam

      Dear hayat
      Do you know how many words you have used to say to little. Do you remember accusing people how many litters of water he drank when he wrote long article. You are a discussing human being. I can not believe you think some one from eritrea who love his people and hate war will read all this trash. Yesterday you wasnbragging how the weyane pilotbomb asmera and now you want to be Eritrean. You are the least person to have an opinion about Eritreans well being.

      You are jot eluding any one , you are ethiopian and act like them , I mean either like fanti or like Gherekistos. Choose one of them

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Selam,
        1) I’ll try to be concise next time.
        2) What was the other point?

        • selam

          Dear hayat
          The other point is , you are Ethiopian but the choice is yours , what kind of ethiopian you want to be.
          as you know we have two kinds, 1 is Fanti alike 2 .Ghebrekisrsto alike.
          You forget one thing, you did not mention bazabeh on your 4 page article.

          • Hayat Adem

            OKay Selam,
            You are Ethiopian is a statement. your statement, not a question.
            Fanti is a sweet guy and I like him, who doesn’t. Gebrekirstos is a recent guy here. I like his articulation and sharp vigor. He only disappointed me recently when he went offensively excessive against the Eritrean people.
            What is bazabeh?

          • selam

            Dear hayat

            I am afraid to say you have short memory, you forget yesterday post you have posted ,where you where bragging about the ethiopian pilot , Bezabeh who was gunned down in eritrea and was collected by Eritrean farmers, his name was bezabeh.

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay Selam,
            I got you. But I didn’t say anything about Col Bezabeh let alone to brag about. What is to be bragged about that, anyway.

          • tes

            Hi hayat adem,

            So careful on titles. War mongering Abyssinian Fundamentalist. I once remember my history teacher saying, the Abyssinian leaders love titles.

            Were you then confused when selam drops the title and put the first letter in small letters of the killer.

            Vampire

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Tes,
            Please stop calling me killer, vampire etc. I don’t long for such kind of titles.

          • tes

            Hayat Adem,

            Let me be banned rather than stopping it because I break the rules.

            Vampire and messenger of killers

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Tes,
            Please don’t break the rules.

          • tes

            Hayat Adem,

            Vampire and messenger of killers, let me then use it freely.

            tes

          • Amde

            Tes,

            I am sorry but I burst out laughing at the childishness. Have you considered a career writing fantasy or science fiction? I am assuming you are doing a PhD in some technical field (engineering or some such) and yet you are very liberal in using categorization and labelling which would be very familiar to someone visiting occult/new age literature.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Amde,
            I it is weird to see people calling themselves, engineers, professors, PhDs,.. but they act childish regardless of their ages and I am ashamed Hayat is exchanging comments with these people.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Rahwa,
            Don’t worry about such exchanges, sweet Rahwa. There are always moments of sanity in everyone of us. Keep all doors and windows open if you can. As Bahá’u’lláh would say we are all from a single oneness (sameness). Light is one thing and darkness is its variant. Push that to the very end, you will get the absence of light. If you push Saay’s intesnity and texture from its thick-dense center outwardly, you will keep on experiencing less and less of him and somewhere you start feeling the growing presence of people like Tes. Push it to the very end, you will achieve the total absence of Saay. You can name that whatever you like: Tes, Nitricc, Selam, Araya. The field of intelligence fades to a non-intelligence one. Both are the manifestation of humanity and life, as such both are necessary. Both are one. No need to partition and erect walls in between.
            hayat

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Tes,
            After looking at your picture, I can see why I thought your looking “Anjal”.

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            You see , you talk about the white part of the egg, with out having the yoke and shell.

    • Elenta

      Hayat,

      The more you try to show how Sal hate Ethiopia, the lesser you appear to be Eritrean in this forum.
      As an individual,any Eritrean can communicate with whatever language he want with others,be it swahili,oromefa,Amharic and English.But any person who represent an Eritrean opposition party will have less credibility if he use Amharic to communicate with Eritrean people or present any report to its member in Amharic.That is a losing strategy and Sal,as a journalist,pointing out that issue to the person doesn’t make him Ethiopian hater.

      The OLF founder Lencho leta spoke in English while Meles spoke in Tigrigna in 1991 to congratulate Eritreans in Asmara on the occasion of Eritrean independence.All of Ethiopian news paper and magazine including paulose gnogno’s journal,criticised Lencho Leta for not speaking Amharic which they interpreted as a hate to great Ethiopia.You look like them now.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selam Elenta,
        Yes, Sal hates Ethiopia is going to be my theme for some time under this topic. I’ll try to support that with evidence. Because hating Ethiopia is not healthy. You don’t have to hate Ethiopia to be Eritrean. Meles was communicating with Isaias in Tigrigna, being an Ethiopian leader. Federal Ethiopia uses Amharic as a matter of protocol. But this guy being questioned is not even in government. If communicating in Arabic and English is not a problem Amharic shouldn’t be a problem, But my point is it should be left to the individual or his organization.

        • Elenta

          Hayat,
          Lencho Leta came to Eritrea with a delegate representing the transitional government of Ethiopia.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Elenta,
            I remember Meles but I don’t remember Lencho being part of the team. That tells us Ethiopia was not speaking through its official language, Amharic. The sense you are trying to make here seems to me, “Mleles and Lencho didn’t dare to speak Amharic to Eritreans because they knew how hated Amharic was. If these two guests could sense this fact, how come an Eritrean party leader tries to use Amharic?” If I captuer your point right, how about flipping it: if two top government officials wanted to use non-Amahric to convey their message, what is the problem with Afar individual who only leads an ethinic party using Amharic? Where is the taboo.

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            The afar opposition risks to be called an ethiopian puppet. Well that is what he is .

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            Is that purely because of the language?

          • selam

            Dear hayat

            Not only the language but also the political awarness of eritreans is nit that much developed to see their leaders speak amharic in representing eritrean interest. Oww I forget he was not talking about eritrea he was talking about a country called afar.so my apologies to you.

        • tes

          hi Hayat Adem,

          Too much credit for you and this is because Sal loves you. You should have been ignored and dumped for good.

          tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Tes,
            Sal used to love me so warmly. God knows, his card and encouraging notes are saved in my computer. In fact, his get well soon card was my desk wall paper for a long time. That will remain my treasure. This is something and totally different. You don’t have to ignore me. I didn’t kill anyone Tes.

          • tes

            Hi Hayat Adem,

            ok, I will take it as iyou said. You didn’t anyone so far. Neverthless, you have a plan to kill anyone during your aggression of Eritrea with the help of Eritrea.

            You see, I can excuse once mistake, but I will not exucse for what one is planning if it is for killing. You belong to the later and hence more than a past used to be a killer.

            Vampire

            tes

        • saay7

          Cousin Semere:

          You read that, right? “If communicating in Arabic and English is not a problem Amharic shouldn’t be a problem.” Come on, Sem, stop laughing and shaking your head: you are her fan: take the shovel from her hands and say “walk back very carefully.” Should I enlighten her or will you? I think she is more likely to understand it coming from you:)

          And, cousin, how many of the three layers of deceipt has this confirmed for you:). Keep digging Hayat:) cousin Gheteb, nitricc, pass on the popcorn.

          saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            keep on counting whatever you’re counting but don’t come to me on Semere. If I were to marry, I decided not to, but may chnage my mind, I would marry Semere (apology to his wife). He is a rare breed. Please don’t get near him.

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            You are losing bit by bit. Eyob is running away from you, you left just with ghebrekirstos.
            How is the weather forecast around ? Just caring , hmmmm

        • Eyob Medhane

          Hayat,

          A wee bit advise, if you don’t mind. When you are in a hole, quit digging. I can very much tell you that Sal does not hate Ethiopia or Amharic. Demanding an Eritrean opposition leader to communicate in one of Eritrean languages (Arabic included, since they think that is one of their ‘own’ language) or in international language that is English can not be a proof of hate for Ethiopia. In this forum, there are Eritreans, who happen to be very vile, hateful and say very much inhumane towards Ethiopia, yet you seem to be getting a lot flack, while they are being humored. I give you that. Other than that I think your ‘evidence’ is a bit flimsy against Sal hating Ethiopia and Amharic. That’s all. Keep on. I slipped back out, and enjoy the trial from outside…

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Eyob,
            Only one question and i’ll let you go. Can you name some of these guys you said are very vile and hateful towards Ethiopia?
            Hayat

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hayat,

            I can, but I don’t want to. Because to acknowledge someone like that by name is to pull myself down to the gutter level that I believe they reside.

          • Hayat Adem

            Eyob,
            I understand your question. I was trying to set you up for a follow up question. Okay, let me try it this way: I’ll give you the list myself and a question. I think Nitricc, Hope, Selam, Araya, Gheteb are some of the guys that came to mind when you mention hate. Do you have a disagreement on the list? How many did I get them wrong?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hayat,

            I think it’s better, if you defend your accusation with a very flimsy evidence that is ‘Sal hates Ethiopia and Amharic’ or you, if you can’t defend it further withdraw it rather than trying to get me to agree with some list of name. One might think that, you are trying to steer the discussion by continuing engaging me with this, after I already told you that I don’t want to acknowledge their name.

          • Hayat Adem

            Eyob,
            Thanks for the kind advice though unasked. Are being told this for the 2nd time this week Eyob? I haven’t picked this point randomly or to solicit your support. I believe I can support my point. I don’t bring anything here that I don’t believe I can support. So don’t worry about that. Just sit and tell me if I continue to be clumsy or not. On this one you just popped in your self and said there are other worse than Saay who hate Ethiopia. You told me you didn’t want to mention names, I mentioned them to you so that I take it further. No, I’m not going beyond this- is your right to say. I respect that. But the contrast between the carelessness you showed to advise me to drop and the extreme caution you displayed to to list a name or confirm the one I listed is interesting.
            Hayat

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hayat,

            I did not compare Sal to the list of people that you put forth. I compared what you have been taking a flack for with the those, who are hateful of Ethiopia and Ethiopians and spew venom, but get away with it. For the unsolicited advise, it’s free. You take it or discard it. I didn’t take extreme caution to name or confirm anyone, I just don’t want acknowledge those who should not be acknowledged, as if I value of who they are or what they thing. This should clarify it. I am done..

          • Hayat Adem

            Eyob,
            It is now clearer. But Sal champions and lionizea these people you despised to put them on par with him. They have never been reprimanded by him when they insult others or Ethiopia and Ethiopians. To the contrary, they are encouraged, For example, Nitricc is portrayed the raw truth-teller and the most honest person. Reconcile.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hayatey,

            I know its been a busy day, but here is my latest entry.

          • Hayat Adem

            Fanti,
            Yes, I saw that. I’m so sorry that this has been too muddy for your Fantiness. You are too precious to be in the middle of this. Not just you, even myself, I really want to be rescued out of it. I’m just happy you made it safely without being hurt in the crossfires.
            Hayat.

          • Rahwa T

            Eyob,
            So you are a good friend of Saay. yazlQlachihu

          • Shum

            Hello Hayat,

            I think what Eyob is trying to say when he says “One might think that, you are trying to steer the discussion by continuing engaging me with this, after I already told you that I don’t want to acknowledge their name.” is that people will walk away saying “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”.

          • አዲስ

            Dear Eyob,

            You can clearly see where this is going. From a tactical point of view when someone is trying to put you into a corner of a certain identity and by that try to disqualify your ideas and opinions as invalid, I wouldn’t be surprised if the attacked person retaliates in the same way. Saay is saying she is not Eritrean, not a woman, not a Muslim so in effect try to define her as a person not well wishing to the Eritrean cause even though those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. Here she is trying to define him as a person who doesn’t like Ethiopia. This is what’s called going down the rabbit hole. At the end of the hole there’s a snake which is just bunch of hateful back and forth which contributes nothing.

            So I say to both Hayat and Saay, go back to discussing ideas. Be whoever you are I could care less.

            Thanks.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            That is a very good observation. Point well taken..

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Apparently, you didn’t get the memo: to criticize TPLF or its officials or its policy is to hate Ethiopia:) So, you are interrupting her thesis. She already equated Arabic with Amharic (I am waiting for Semere to clarify to her why a lot of her fellow female Muslims were wincing:) So don’t interrupt an opponent when they are committing suicide. Besides, I was getting tired of your reference to me as a closet-Amara, so this is like a good balance.

            I am just sitting back, Jon Stewart-style, rolling my hands to signal “hurry up” and saying “aaaaaand….?” 🙂

            saay

          • selam

            Dear hayat
            you see Eyob reply to the list.Boom Boom , he said he is not going to be your hunting mountain.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            Yes I saw that. Well he was the one who brought it to my attention seemingly to shield Saay. He chose to stop half way and that is fine. But his unasked advice was very annoying.

          • Hope

            Dear Hayat Gual Adem,
            You are officially exposing your lack of self-confidence and self-esteem.
            No need to do that.
            kemsih adey hanquiluni,excuses,etc—-Hope an dhis likes have nothing to do with your business with SAAY.
            The best is–to move on and focus on real ideas honestly,reasonably,rationally,constructively and respectfully,no matter what and no matter who you are…..No need to be threatful..
            On the same token,for the sake of honesty and fairness,I ask Prof Dr Saleh A A Younis to move on and avoid taking things personal…. and to respect you,Hayat Adem,and your privacy,provided you comply with the Posting Guidelines.
            Ezi We dehanki.
            God bless you.
            FYI:
            As I advised Abi,not only I do not “hate” Ethiopians,but I love Ethiopians and I am a de fact /more Ethiopian than Abi et al or even you, in case if you are one.
            My negative commenst are based on the wounds and scars that I have retained form the evils acts of some” Ethiopians”.—jJnhoy,Col Menghistu Hailemariam and the few TPLF Leadership and their followers…based on facts.

    • Amde

      Dear Hayat

      I apologize to you if I offended you. I posted that cartoon – it is quite famous actually and is from the 90s in the early years of the web – to demonstrate that the identity of an internet personality is completely immaterial to the content they provide. At least that is how I interpreted it, and it is in that sense I posted it. It wasn’t meant as a disrespect to you and I apologize if you took offense.

      Amde

      • Hayat Adem

        No, no, no. Not at all Amde. I didn’t mean it. I was trying to put a smile on your face. I am imagining your beautiful face when you smile.
        Hayat.

        • Millenium

          “The president effectively demolished the Eritrea Is A Neighborhood Bully argument. This is patently silly when it comes from comrade PM Meles. Eritrea’s dispute with Yemen? Funny you should mention that, comrade, but wasn’t it your government who provided us with all the documents that support our case?” this is far from the way you characterized it; it means Ethiopia can not accuse Eritrea of being a neighbourhood bully while Ethiopia has full knowledge of what transpired as it had already provided Eritrea with documents that supported Eritrea’s case. You are so keen to glamorise Ethiopia’s action and show any Eritrea’s action in bad light. This quote only proves Sal’s point and not yours.

          • Hayat Adem

            Millenium,
            This was not about Eritrea. This was about Sal. Last time I checked Sal is Sal and not Eritrea. But if you want to discuss that, unless Ethiopia participated in creating the conflict with Yemen, it didn’t mean it can’t couldn’t criticize Eritrea on triggering or escalating the problem.

          • Millenium

            Hayat:
            Can you see your unfairness towards Eritrea? you expect it to show an act of good faith in times of war; coming back to Sal, how does that support your claim that Sal hates Ethiopia? is it because he debated on the side of Eritrea against PMZ’s words?

          • Hayat Adem

            Millenium,
            Don’t mix-up things. It was not about Eritrea. I can never be unfair towards Eritrea. The one you quote you brought above was meant to show how Saay’s sense of values and character fly below the bar.
            Let’s say X and Y are close friends and in their good friendship time, they have shared a lot of personal secrets. One of the secrets is X has went out of his way to help Y in his trouble with another guy called Z. Later in time, the good friendship between X and Y was in trouble and they became friends no more. Would Y go openly accusing X for helping him (Y) in its fight against Z in the good old times?
            By my book, it shows a quality of character. There must be somethings that are not used for a cheap trade, I say. I don’t know how you view it.

          • Millenium

            Hayat:
            But Y is not accusing X for helping him; what Y is saying is: “do not call me warmonger, you know what happened, you even helped me, remember?….. don not pull Yemen on me now as if you do not know what happened.” In the whole text you quoted, you are seeing only the good in Weyane and the bad in Shaebia….your preconception is clouding your judgement. Take a deep breath and read it again.

          • Millenium

            Hayat:
            I am making two points:
            1) You are framing the above quote wrongly so that you will find a flaw in character
            2) The fact that you are framing it wrongly reveals your tendency to be lenient on Ethiopia and hard on Eritrea
            # You are not proving that Say’s sense of value is below the bar. You are just showing more of your bias.

  • Dear All,
    This must be the second day since we have put on trial one of the prominent members of the Awate forum. The case is, if she is honest about her nationality, gender and religion. Why these became an issue is mind-boggling.

    The prosecutors stripped her off her identity, put her under the microscope, sliced and diced her, theorized and concluded that she is not what she says she is. She is neither an Eritrean nor a female and nor a Muslim. If she were an Eritrean, she would not have called for an Ethiopian intervention or opposed anything Eritrean. If she were a female, she would not have uttered certain words which most women do
    not utter. If she were a Muslim woman, she should have covered her head, said few words and would never have dared to oppose the superior male.

    Hayat the person (her identity/self-esteem) and not her opinion (or viewpoint) is being judged, demonized, and questioned. I wonder if she is the victim of do not think-act-speak differently; if you say that you are an Eritrean. She is being told that it is a crime to follow one’s heart or intuition, and to refuse to be dogmatic about certain matters. How dare she differ and entertain radical ideas, like that of saving Eritrea from a possible civil war, by calling for an Ethiopian intervention. On all these, PFDJ would not have said differently.

    It is nice to be witness to the conflict of great minds on different political, philosophical and social issues, but it is a big disappointment, when people with great minds are identity assassinated, because they dare to differ. That I think is a bad omen, and it should not be allowed to happen.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Hayat and SAAY,

    Thank you both for trying to spare me the hurt burn by letting me slip out quietly, but I must have the last word.

    Hello Awatistas:

    I was royally tricked into my “Eritrean wannabe Protestant” statement, but in case it rubbed some folks the wrong way let
    me first apologize to all those followers of the Protestant faith for saying “I didn’t want to be associated with someone who says ሳሌሕ.” I did not mean it in any derogatory or negative way except it just happened to be the first non-Orthodox denomination that popped into my head.

    Excuses:
    It was late night and I was tired.
    I didn’t think the question was posed in relation to anything important.
    I thought SAAY was preparing me for some fantastic joke.

    SAAY
    The variant ሳሊሕ is very common if not exclussive in Tigray, but never ሳሌሕ. Also I never heard any Tigrawai/eyti saying ኣቕቢጩ: ever.

    If I must guess who would really say ሳሌሕ I would say non-native English speaker translating SALEH directly from English to Ge’ez without really knowing what it is.

    After gathering all the background information necessary and analyzing the case, I have ruled out Hayat from being “Tigraweyti pretending to be Eritrean” for the reason I mentioned. In addition, if she was a pretender she would have been extra careful and copied ሳልሕ from TK’s post which was right there above her post.

    Why then the un-Eritrean sounding/looking Ge’ez?

    I believe Hayat was either born and raised or at least raised from an early age in an English speaking world with very minimum or no contact with Eritrean community.

    Why be mysterious about her identity (one way or another)?

    1) To protect herself and/or her family from reprisal (you know how Isaias is. Hmm).

    2) As she is politely trying to tell us it is none of our business. She is only interested talking about her ideas and issues not about herself, because it serves no purpose.

    From Awate.com posting guidelines FAQ:

    #21. What if I want to safeguard my privacy?

    Look at our tagline: inform, inspire, embolden, reconcile.
    The movement towards emboldening Eritreans will not make much progress if
    people choose to hide behind pen names.
    But if you must (and you might have good reasons or no
    reason at all), we will allow you to use pen names, we will protect your
    privacy but awate.com has to know your contact information. We won’t disclose
    your identity, but we have to know it.

    #22. So you know the identity of all your writers, even those using pen names?

    Yes. Including those who rail regularly against the irresponsible use of pennames.

    Since SAAY is in a position to know our identities, questioning Hayat’s identity in public partially violates section 21 above. It is like a judge telling someone accused of theft “I know you are a thief, but go ahead and argue your case” during a hearing. In the event that he is indeed correct and the only way he can redeem himself would be to expose her true
    identity, and by doing so endangers hers and/or her family’s safety, that should be avoided at all cost.

    In light of this revelation it may be prudent for awate.com to review its guidelines and decide either to forbid hiding
    behind pennames or forbid discussing identities in this fashion.

    Case dismissed.

    Reasons:
    Irrelevancy, serious conflict of interest, insufficient evidence.
    This court is adjourned.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Fanti Ghana,
      .
      AMEN!!!
      .
      K.H

    • selam

      Dear Fanti
      you are one of the best ethiopian forumers her in awate.com . I think it will be wise enough for you to stay away with out being a judge between a person who eluded no one and a person who is trying to elude every one.
      Your view is nothing similar to most people from ethiopia and if I have to visit one of the forumers I would like to visit Fanti and kim, the reason is , you well informed , mr nice guy. I some times want to stop throwing bad words and engage in only because of your views and also knowledge, I hope every ethiopian is like you and also every Eritrean take your understanding . we are short of people like you from both sides.So what do you say .?

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Selam Shukor,
        Thank you, and please Selamey do not hesitate to express what comes naturally to you in my or any other “good Ethiopian’s” account as long as you are honest about it and your feelings. As I shared with my good friend Gheteb the other day it is okay to blow some steam occasionally. It may even be good for our health actually. I can speak for KH too when I say it would be our honor if you come and visit someday.
        Go get them!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam selam,
        .
        Well selam, thanks for the nice words. I am glad you forgave me for my “silky” language I try to use with miT miTa in it.
        .
        You know what, we will always have a “Gebrekiristos” on our side and a “gheteb” on yours and a lot of people in between. They are not bad people but sometimes they are stubborn and we the majority have to say shooooo to them on occasions.
        .
        K.H

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear K.H,

          You can imagine how much lovely you are when you get such words form Selam. When comes in describing personalities (while she is cool) it is only Selam who can say it perfectly.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            Thanks.
            .
            Few minutes ago I read one of your posts. It was a touching one and I am gona look for it again to re-read.
            .
            K.H

        • Gebrekirstos

          ሰላም ኪም፣
          ለኽበጥበጥ፣ወስለትለት፣ ሓሜትን ምንጨታን ክንገብር ኣይኮናን ናብ እዙይ ንመፅእ። ክእለቱ እንተሃልዩኪ/ካ ስለ እቶም ልተልዓሉ ሓሳባት ተናገር/ሪ።

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Gebrekistos,
            .
            Just for the record, I am Mr. Kim to you. I don’t understand what you just said, that is just as well, and I don’t want it translated or explained to me. I hold a grudge for at least a week.
            .
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kim. Lol what did you say to GK? He got him going. I used de debate with Ermias and I kenw when I deliver the blow; he will be right back with 3 pages name calling on Tigrigna. lol I think GK wrote you in tigrigna and Amharic.” Tenager” I thought it is Amharic.
            Hey Kim while I got you here; what does ” simmtegna shee” mean? I thought I knew Amharic. Lol

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitricc,
            he is using tenager which is amharic and Ethiopian tigrigna to say “talk” in Eritrea it is used to say argue or hard talk and fight with words. Nagram came from the same root word in Tigrigna of Eritrea again in here the same in Tigray tigrigna. we have some words with a bit different meanings.

          • Kim Hanna

            Nitricc,
            .
            That is funny! You definitely are not a Gojame.
            .
            The meaning of that saying is “the end of the world”. When that 8000 “zemen” comes close a lot of weird things begin to happen in our world. Say for example the sun rises in the west and sets in the east etc.
            I think I better defer to abi, he can explain it better.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear Ghebre
            Here you come again. I have learned too much from you and thanks for being …, I will behave to the best possible way when I meet people like kim . And I will ignore when I meet like you but I want you to continue here in awate.com please drop every thing you have and invite people from tigraionline.com here.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Gebrekirstos,

            ኣይፍልካን፣

            ደቂ ሰባት ብንሓልፎ ተሞክሮ ኢና እንቅረጽ :: ካብ ተሞክሮታት ሓደ ኸኣ ንባዕሉ ( ንርእሱ) ነቲ ተሞክሮታትካ ምስ ካለኦት ምክፋል እዩ :: ኣረኣይእያታት ‘ምብኣር ልክዕ ቦታ ዝሕዙ :- ምስ ካለኦት ኣረኣይእያታት ተመዛዚኖም :-ተሓናፊጾም ኣብ እንካን ሃባን መስርሕ ግርም ሓሊፎም :- ምስ ዝቀርቡ እዩ እቲ ኪኒት ጉዕዞ ሰላም ‘( the art of peace journey) ምበ ኣር ብዘይ ውረድ ደይብ :- ብዘይ ናይ ካለኦት ደልየታት- ኣብ ማዕርፎ ዘብጽሕ ማእዘን (ኣቅጣጫ) ክረክብ ዘይሕለም እዩ :: እታ ” ናተይ ጥራይ እያ ልክዕ” ብምባል ኣይኮነን ዶ ሃገርን ሃገራትን ናብ ሰላም ከተብጽሕ ኣብ ሸቀጣሸቀጥ ዕዳጋ ‘ኳ ነይተድምዕ::

            ሓደ ሰብ ምስ ተጻራሪ መርገጽ ዘለዎ ካልእ ሰብ ምክብባር ዘለዎ ኣካይዳ ምስ ዘርኢ ኸኣ ብሱልነቱ እዩ ዝንጸባረቕ::

          • Gebrekirstos

            ኣታ ኮኸብ ሓወይ።
            ንስኻ ክሳብ ሀዚ ልፀሓፍካዮምን ለንበብኩዎምን ነገራት ምንም ክፍኣት ለየብሎም ጥዑማት እዮም። ኣነ ለይምቸወኒ ነገር፣ ስም ሰባት እናልዓሉ ዘይረብሕ ተፈታውነት ምሽማት፣ እሞ ከዓ ሓደ ሻብ እንተይኮነስ ብተደጋጋሚ። ንሱ እየ ሕደግ ልብሎ ለለኹ እምበይ ብሓሳብ ምሳይ ተስማዕማዕ ኣይኮነን።

            ካብኡ ወፃኢ ልበልካዮ ኩሉ መዓር ወለላ እዩ። ብልኾነ ሰላም ድኻ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ሓው :

            እዚ ‘ኮ ጉዕዞ እዩ :: ጉዕዞ ኸኣ ብዘለካ ምጓዓዓዚ ኢኻ ትስጉሞ :: ኣብ ሞንጎ ጻዕዳን ጸሊምን ዘለዎ ሕብርታት ዋግ ዋግ ክብሉ ብርሑቅ ይረኣዩኻ እዮም ::ብዘይ ጸሊም ጻዕዳ ብዘይ ጻዕዳ ጸሊም ካብ ዘይህሉ ንኣሞንጎ ዘለዎ ሕብርታት ምልላይ ከድሊ እዩ :: እቲ ምንታይሲ ሕብረተ ሰብና ዝሓለፎ ጸበባን መከራን ኣብ ምልላይ ጎንጽታትን ኣብ ምፍታሕ ጸግማትን ተጠናኺሩ ስለ ዘይሰረሐ እዩ :: በዚ ምኽንያት እዩ ሓሳባት ተደባሊቆም ሕብርታቶም ተሓዋዊሱ እንዕዘብ : ግን በቃ መስርሕ እዩ – ኣይናትናን እዩ ኢልና ክንሓልፎ ዘይንኽእል መገዲ ::

            ዓርኩ መርገጻትካ ትረት ኣለዎም :: ተሪር ዕንጨት ክትሰብሮ ቀሊል እዩ :: ልውይ ኢሉ ዘይስበር እቲ ማያዊ ትሕዝቶ ዝይሰኣነ እዩ : : በዚ ይመስለኒ እቲ መንፍዓትካ ከይባኽን ዘፍርሓኒ ስለዚ ኸኣ ሰላም ክትረክብ ዘኽእለካ – ንዘሎ ዓቅምታትካ ኣጥልል ኣብሎ ሻቡ ክንደየናይ ሓይልን ክእለትን ከምዘለካን ግደኻ ዓቢ ምዃኑን ክትሪ ኦ ኢኻ ::

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            First, you have almost supported GK’s argument by that that there are facts that can not be said. ANd now, here you are coming and giving your compliments by saying, “በዚ ይመስለኒ እቲ መንፍዓትካ ከይባኽን ዘፍርሓኒ ስለዚ ኸኣ ሰላም ክትረክብ ዘኽእለካ”

            Aren’t you the one that he is telling us loud about Eritrean history and the suffering of people?

            Where are the facts? Where are the talents?

            Are you wishing him to calm down and spread his venom in a more skillful and articulative way?

            Just puzzled

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            okay, let me answer to you considering your last call for peace with me.

            Look, I am answering it but before that let me request you that please don’t read which is not written in my post.reading your own assumption and adding your own words is causing just not acceptable. for your information if what you understand is what I am saying the brilliant Amanual could have avoided up voting.

            “በዚ ይመስለኒ እቲ መንፍዓትካ ከይባኽን ዘፍርሓኒ ስለዚ ኸኣ ሰላም ክትረክብ ዘኽእለካ” You copy paste uncompleted sentence and the my massage is lost here. please don’t do that.

            Now, I don’t believe someone is not talenteandd and not intelligent because he don’t agree with my principle. and above that I believe god didn’t create garbage. everybody is important and everybody’s way of thinking affects everybody. in fact leave alone words even only simply thinking can affect us all. negative and positive thinking both are energies and always travel on the space which again can attract other minds of alike. since killing human beings is a crime and is the way to revenges it is peaceful to use those wonderful minds understand the journey to peace. letting others read your mind and allowing them to open their mind to you is the best way that lead to creative change in society.

            you see my request to him is to be calm and come with nice way and by that we will understand his problem and we will also explain our problem and get solutions together. the “spread venom ” thing is no where here.

          • Passerby

            ገብራት ግደፍ፣ ሓሶት ግደፍ
            ጅግና ህዝበይ፣ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ፣ ምሕደራ ሃገረይሲ ባዕለይ ደኣ ኢሉ ኣንጻር ዓመጽቲ ስርዓታት ሃይለስላሰን ደርግን ተጋዲሉ ዕዉት ኮይኑ ድሕሪ ምውጻአ፣ ከም መደቡ ንሃገርና ኤርትራ ሃገር ክትከውን ኣብቂዕዋ። ናይ ሕማቕ ኣጋጣሚ ኮይኑ ዝግብኦ ፍትሓዊ ምህሕደራ ይረክብ የለን፣ ኮይኑ ግን ከምቲ ቅድሚ ሕጂ፣ ግዜ ይነውሕምበር ነዚ ዘሎ ሕማቕ ምሕደራውን ሓደ መዓልቲ ክኣልዮ ምዃኑ ጥርጥር የለን። እንተ ንስኻ ግን ህዝበይ ንዝኸፈሎ መሪር፣ ረዚን ዋጋ ዕሽሽ ኢልካ ኦይ ዘይ ባዕልና ኢና ጉሒፍናኩም እምበር መዓስ ብመንፋዓትኩም ተዓዊትኩም ኢልካ ከተናሹ ሃቂንካ። ከምቲ ኪም ሃና ዝበሎ፣ እዚ ታሪኽ እዚኮ ካብ ወለዶ ናብ ወለዶ እንዳተመሓላለፈ መጺኡ ዝፈለጥናዮ ዘይኮነስ ናይ ዘበንናን ናይ ኣዝዩ ሓጺር አዋንን ታሪኽዩ። ውድብካ ውድብ ወያነ ከይተረፈውን ንፍትሓውነትን ዓወትን ቃልሲ ህዝበይ ጽቡቕ ጌሩ ዝኣምነሉን ዝቕበሎንዩ። እሞ በየናይ ስነሞገተ ደኣ እስኻ ቃልስን ዓወትን ህዝበይ ከተቆናጽብ ተረእዩካ፧ በዚ ግህዶን ክትሕስወሉ ዘይከኣል ነገርን ካብ ሓሰኻኸ እቲ ካልእ ትብሎ ብኸመይ ክእመን ይከኣል

    • saay7

      His Fantiness:

      I guess “ንነብሱ ጥራይ ሒዙ እንተዝኸውን እምብይመጸገመን” was stricken down by the judge as inadmissible? “እምብይመጸገመን” is how Amches speak? News to me.

      Your honor, the posting guidelines you have posted are for the front page (when somebody is submitting an article for publishing.) The posting guidelines for the forum begin midway into the guidelines: http://awate.com/posting-guidelines/. There is an explicit request that posters do not abuse the posting privileges by misrepresenting themselves (selecting a name) that does not reflect their gender, nationality or religion. But it is an honor system: awate admin has absolutely no way of knowing anyone’s gender, nationality or religion. The dishonest can use the “catch me if you can” approach; it’s only embarrassing for them (assuming they can be embarrassed) when they get caught ije kefinj, as her postings demonstrate.

      The go-for-total-anonymity-by-picking-opposite-gender-nationality-religion is a relic from the early 2000s: all the Zeinebs and Meryems that used to post at asmarino are neither female nor Muslim. How do I know? At some point, people have to brag and Hayat Adem will have bragged to someone who she is, so I will let the future confirm it to you.

      Finally, as someone who has been called “Weyane”, “Agame” for, oh, 15 years now, I have zero interest in applying that label to others casually. I never have. In this particular case, I believe Eritrea is stuck between a brutal Eritrean regime and an opposition that is too radicalized to be of any good use to the Eritrean people. I consider a two-pronged struggle is what we Eritreans have to go through: and part of that is to show that the radicalized opposition, in this particular case, is not Eritrean at all.

      Thank you for not leaving the planet, His Fantiness:)

      saay

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat SAAY,
        I quickly skimmed through the guideline just looking for a phrase I can use against you. May be the line

        25. Posting Guidelines – Awate Forum

        should be stripped of the number and be highlighted to make it easier to see as a header.
        I am being extremely nice guy by the way.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Fanti,

      “In light of this revelation it may be prudent for awate.com to review its guidelines and decide either to forbid hiding behind pennames or forbid discussing identities in this fashion.”

      That is all. This site is the only nation I have at this moment. I feel I am going toward my nation, the nation I am expecting to live in through nonstop struggle and I feel awate has field the remaining part of my struggle. being away from the nation I dreamed to live in peace is the worst experience every human afford to accept. your relatives, your people and land are always the most part of your life and if you are away for political reason it the most difficult time of your life. although I have been near to my nation, the nation I bleed for, I never went for years to see and get my fresh lovely air. I didn’t visit both Habesha, it is painful isn’t it.

      every name you see here is for a reason some not to be exposed to PFDJ killers, some to debate even for some thing they don’t believe is correct (which is not there stand) some even they are already known but not to make it official etc. I wish I use my name but I need to continue with this name for some time. and I hope awate will not ban pen names.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Dr. Kokhob,
        If awate.com demands for our real identities I would be in a serious trouble too as I discovered recently. I started using Fanti for some silly reason, but it became handy once I found out recently why I shouldn’t volunteer my true identity.

  • selam

    Something special is going on now. I can not believe .

  • Elenta

    Semere,
    Her outrage on awate.com for posting the lowland document is one of the posting making me wonder about her religion, but the first one was her response to SAAY’s Ramadan greeting two years ago.

    And also when Haile TG and other awtistas were discussing the Eritrean women issue,Hayat was not comfortable in discussing the issue . Her response to Amal and Tsigereda was like be quite ,go home ,raise your children well and don’t talk about gender issue now.She lacks feminism and that make me think Hayat is not a female.

    About her nationality,she can be Eritrean.

    Think about these:

    An educated, intelligent Eritrean women who thinks Eritrean women grievances on gender discrimination is a non-issue, but thinks 1987 Tigrian road blockade by EPLF is a very important issue to be discussed.

    An educated, intelligent Eritrean Muslim woman who haven’t read Eritrean covenant by Mejlis ,who ignores the Eritrean Muslim grievances , who have no idea about the problems of Eritrean Muslims in Kebesa (especially seraye and Hamasien),but
    the first one to express to her outrage on ELL (for raising their voices for justice and equality) and repeatedly warns awate.com commentators about the Kebessa Christian extinction.

    So, something is not right!

    Everyone knows what Sal had been writing on the border war time. It’s not new except for Hayat.What does she trying to prove? She care for Eritrean than Sal or Sal hates Ethiopia?

    Does she know what her mentor was righting during those years?

    As most awtistas observed, Hayat doesn’t have time to discuss any Eritrean issue except someone inserted the word Ethiopia, EPRDF or TPLF in his/her commentator.That frustrate some of us,but still i would love Hayat to be around.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Elenta:
      I remember Hayat’s and Papi’s Romadan response, I laughed and said nothing about it, but Sal quickly corrected them.
      What is dipressing initially when people were accusing here of beingnto Eritrean and not female and nto Muslim ( Sal was nto part of this) , the one of the accusers was that an Erirtean cannot have those anti-establishment thinking and back then it was not even Ethiopian help, it was Ghedli. Their allegation was based on their backward thinking that a woman can be that articulate and coherent. I would argue that Hayat Adem is not a Muslim name, it an Arab name, I once playfully addressed Hayat as Hiwet Adam:-)
      But why would a Muslim must support the ELL thing, I think Hayat’s reaction seemed genuine and spontaneous and only an Eritrean can feel angst about ELL

      • Hope

        Dear Sem and Amanuel Hidrat.
        Forget about Identity, Articulation and Debating ability.Eritreanism has different level of meanings and she/he could be eligible by one of them to be so.
        The issue is about:
        -Honesty
        -Bias
        -Truthfulness and Facts
        -Rationality
        -Humanity
        -Common sense
        etc—
        Let me take risk of being a Hypocrit here as I will be judgemental here.
        With all due respect,Sir,I regret to tell you that,in my opinion, you have some similar features with her/him–taking into consideration your irrational and biased stand about, and “HATE” for/of the EPLF and Ghedli..
        Let me be blunt here:
        -It is beyond Intellectual and Political Bankruptsy–or call it Political Prostitution and /or Acrobatism.
        As Nittric correctly said it,had/if the person in question been honest,truthful,rational,realistic,balanced,unbiased and straight forward,we could have respected this person beyond your own imagination,let alone to question her/his ID…no matter what.
        Mr Aman Hidrat,
        Please,have some decency and respect; and try to understand where we are coming from,rather than twisting things for your own convenience,as you know exactly as to why we are concerned about this person….and her/his likes.
        With all due respect,Sir,do NOT tell us that there hasn’t been a serious Psycholgical Warfare against Eritreans since 1998,which you have conveniently kept silent about and remained mute.
        This NOT PFDJ poliitcs or propaganda and/or Politicization of Eri Politics,sir!
        It is the current non-invasive but lethal war…against Eritrea and Eritreans/Eritreanism,which is …even worse than that of the PFDJ war against Eritrea and Eritreans—by any standard or criteria,not just my opinion..
        Cheers and all the best with your Solidarity with Hayat et al!

    • selam

      Dear Elnta

      Thanks for squaring all the points about her. Any eritrean whether educated in Yale or Mekele is always sure to give his view to the struggle of our people , what we have in her post is completely out of such zone and that should put her to question. Not her name not her nationality but her attitude is well in bed with weyane. She is not even considering that we can read between her lines. She failed to know that we are not here to be lectured by her heinous views.
      She has to stay in awate.com and I hope she stay forever because she is important on analyzing some of the wicked points made by people like her .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hi Semare,
    Now back to you. Since when did Saay started to ask the identity of the pannames? If he is claiming that he knows the idenetity of Hayat, and most probably he does, as AT member who has access to know us, is he ready to expose the same thing to those who are insulting us day in day out in this forum under pennames? No need to list them. How many people especially from our Eritrean brothers are using their real identity in this forum? Very few “betsabeati ZeQuseru.” Why is Hayat’s penname is an issue now? Saay himself was supportive of her debate skills, her articulation, her wide range knowledge that become an exceptional asset of this forum, irrespective her identity. It is something lately, that he become to change his view and started uncalled identity war against her. Sure the basis of this ” war of identity” is when she chllenged his view and his stand. No question about that. We are watching their debates. For God sake, does anyone know, for example, Nitricc, Hope, Gheteb…etc their identity, sex, and their religion. We just assume they are Eritreans, irrespective what might be thier sex and religion. Why is Hayat an issue and not them? Actually Saay is telling us that Hayat is pretending as an Eritrean female whose religion is Muslim. But Is that fair to insinuate the same thing with Gheteb, Nitricc, Hope,…..etc who are unkown to us their religion, sex, and Eritrean nationality. Saay is pulling us in to marky territory. Rather going to selective identity attack, I would have preferred to ban to all pennames and deal with real names and thier addresses like those of us to have a plainfield to all of us. Otherwise this all tempting of selective exposion of pennames is not for healthy debate. Saay, Justice for all demanded in this forum.
    Second this group thinking of “cousin family” and self appointed “truth-bound-society” is only self-serving to denigrate, demean, blackmail anyone who oppose the cousin family. In our current circumstances great respect to my friend SG, who never tempted to delve to such detriorating engagement. Abu Saleh (SG), I really appreciate you for keep yourself above the fray.
    I have clashed with Hayat on her view on Ghedli, but I wasn’t bitter about her to having different view from me. If there is no different views than ours, there is no way of scrutinizing our own views. I wish to bring to an end this debate on identity for nothing good will come out of it. This is quick response in between work. So Semer keep up the good job.

    • Nitricc

      “For God sake, does anyone know, for example, Nitricc, Hope, Gheteb…etc their identity, sex, and their religion. We just assume they are Eritreans, irrespective what might be thier sex and religion. Why is Hayat an issue and not them?”

      Hey Aman. I don’t know if you know this but you are cashing your credibility in defense of bunch of disgraced. I have no idea why chose to go that rout. I even challenge your girl or guy to come out and to tell us where in Eritrea she belongs. I told her mine; she never said a wiord; why are you now saying no body knows about Nitricc? Aman Listen;
      No one cares what position hayat takes; I repeat; no one. But when she takes and demands what direction my country takes; I got to know who the hell this person is? How hard is to understand this; it is not about the position but it is everything about the direction. When Aman, Hayat and Semere open their mouth in support of Eritrean enemy; you are emboldening and encouraging the enemy.
      I said it long ago and I will say it now. Hayat Adam is a paid TPLF agent. Deal with it.

      • Rahwa T

        Nitricc,

        You always come with something that expose you that despite how fast time runs behind you, you never show maturity. You sadi “…I even challenge your girl or guy to come out and to tell us where in Eritrea she belongs. I told her mine; she never said a word…” According to you this is the most challenging question Hayat Ahmed could not dare to answer. Let alone Hayat, even I, the foreigner form neighboring country know many villages and towns in Eritrea, that expanses from Massawa to Keren and many froum the southern region”. How do you know my
        identity? How do you think Saay/SJG would identify your roots, if your parents hail from Gojam (your favorite region in Ethiopia) but adopted Eritrean citizenship because they lived there for 60 years?

        • Nitricc

          Hey Rahwa. lol
          “According to you this is the most challenging question Hayat Ahmed could not dare to answer. Let alone Hayat, even I, the foreigner form neighboring country know many villages and towns in Eritrea, that expanses from Massawa to Keren and many froum the southern region”. How do you know my”
          Rahwa; how are you. I normally stop by to correct you but this time I am here to ask you. Who “Hayat Ahmed” might be? When it is fake, things tend to change rapidly. lol
          Hayat Ahmed will dispear from this forum before reviling herself. true, she could have named any village in Eritrea but we are small; some one will know Aboy Ahmed.
          take Rahwa; lol

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I tend to disagree with your analysis on this one. What is baffling to me is you, Nitricc, is leading this charge and saay is following you with sword drawn, it is a George Orwellian world all together. At the end of this your account stays pretty much the same. As some one dear to me said when perplexed by events like this, she always said “Simentegnaw Shi dersoal”.
            .
            K.H

      • Estifanos

        Hi Nitiricc,
        Hayat told me to tell you she is from Adi Quntsi’ (ዓዲ ቑንጺ)። You see all along you were wrong.

        • selam

          Dear Estif
          And we trusted your information. Oh relief to know.

      • Guest

        Aman,

        I certainly agree with you on that. Especially with one of those you mentioned, that is vile, incridablely crude, a complete vagabond, never adds anything at all to the discussion other than a poison of hate seems to be very much tolerated, humored and at times encouraged to act that way. That seems to be for me a bit inconsistent…

        • Nitricc

          Dear guest if you weren’t that stupid; you could have known there is an Edit button and you could have deleted it your self.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitricc,
            if you entered as guest you can’t edit it. Myself, I tried and to no avail. So stop insulting.

      • Ted

        Hey Nitricc, in a way “she” won. The time and energy we spend arguing her identity has become a burden on all of us trying to do the right thing. Some call it “fresh idea, radical or controversial” it doesn’t matter. Time and time again this “fresh idea’ of “her” antagonized and derailed the conversation of Eritreans for change in this forum. It Is time to put a cap in “her” free rein mischief by taking individual measures. I heard it all what “she” had to say and decided from now on never to respond to “her” post ever again.

    • asmerom

      Dear Emma
      The cheerleaders of yesterday and master manipulators of today are addicted to mocking, belittling others who are not in the circle of “cousin’s ” and no surprise here for them trying to pick one out of many to identify his/her identity.
      Our man has been failed by the organization/party he vested and trusted so much, he has to disregard the leader of that party has to distance himself from the leader but not from the fundamental ideas
      of the party . He is mad with the one man for not delivering his dreams and wishes of destruction, but still he is highly connected and committed to the idea of the party in number two form. Whoever cheers with him in reviving the dead idea will be a family of “cousin” and who ever oppose and is against it either must be labeled as cadre of the “70’s and 80’s of the dead ELF” or his identity must be questioned. that’s where we are what a pity !
      Thanks

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Asmerom,
        Yes indeed, they always invoke their glory against the vanquished – a war of alliances that let our country in the darkest of its history. Watch them, they will come and tell us we defeat ELFites once for all, and are dead and buried in the plains and mountains of Eritrea. They will also tell you everything of the past and the current situation is cause by Issayas, and only Isayass. That is their political chorus of the day.

    • Eyob Medhane

      Aman,

      I certainly agree with you on that. Especially with one of those you mentioned, that is vile, incridablely crude, a complete vagabond, never adds anything at all to the discussion other than a poison of hate seems to be very much tolerated, humored and at times encouraged to act that way. That seems to be for me a bit inconsistent…

      Moderator :-

      Discus is acting a bit wacky. It posted the comment I intended to Aman, in a wrong place under a name ‘Guest’ in a very very wrong place. Please, help to remove the one under ‘guest’. Thank you…

    • AOsman

      Amanuel,

      Personally I am not bothered to know the detail of individuals using pen names, as the idea they convey is more important. Overtime as we interact, we tend to construct a perception of that person’s identity. If that construct is wrong and things are reveled, we just adjust and move on.

      With regards to Hayat, I don’t believe the Female and Muslim part for I had moments of hmmmmm…and it was not important to know. However, knowing the third identity “Eritrean” becomes important for the hardcore views, not the historical, but on issues related to intervention of Ethiopia. If Hayat is Ethiopian, her position and proposal will be seriously compromised. Otherwise, to find out IDs is a pointless exercise as people can use multiple pen names like they change their clothes Knowing who is who will be like chasing shadows.

      Also AT may have an advantage in checking email, IP, city etc.. but you are also assuming they have more power in identifying people, especially if one is intent on keeping his/her ID a secret.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Fnote Selam

        AOsman,

        I think this is just a small rivalry between Saay and Hayat. At this point they are throwing all punches at each other, nothing taken back! I hope people could just stay out of the fight and move on discussing important issues.

        Best,

        FS.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Fnote Selam,
          .
          I think you have a very good point.
          Thanks,
          .
          K.H

        • Hope

          Selamat Fnote,
          I thought SAAY has been patient/ silent and tried to move on despite “her” non-stop provocation–until he finished up his patience,as a human being.In fact,she/he crossed the “red line” to the extent of labeling him as xxxxxxx besides “misquoting” him about his 1998-2000 Patriotic and commendable arguement in DEFENSE of Eritrea and Eritrteans,which was second to NONE!.
          Remember what people like Dagamawi were bluffing about at that time.??
          Irrespective of her/his motivation,which we cannot know,there are plenty of circumstantial evidence based on the comments that this person in question have made thus far;in fact, has acted against the Interest and Nationall Security of Eritrea and Eritreans.
          This is a person ,who belittled the inhumane deportation of the more than 80,0000 Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eri Origin openly and publically, NOT to mention her “Love Affairs” with the TPLF Gov….and justifying and supporting the TPLF’s Keidi-albo atrocities.on/against Eritreans and Ethiopians.
          That person should be blamed for putting her/himslef in this position.
          The issue here is NOT about discussing/debating about ideas and her/his right to do so,but the way this person acted/have debated,which has put her/his credibility and integrity in question mark.
          We never questioned about YG ID but his fallacious and “defamatory” arguements.We could have done the same about “hayat” provided that she/he presented her/himself the way YG did.
          Having said that,it is better to close the case and move on and let this person bark—until she/he gives up and gets exhausted…..for good.
          On the side note,we have not denied the truth about the negative role of the PFDJ and other weaknesses and “mistakes” we Eritreans have made as Citizens/human beings but Hayat does need to teach us about that ,and does NOT have a moral ground to convince us about this and that.,what to do and what not to do…eventhough she is entiltled to her opinions and to say whatever she wants to say–in a reasonabley acceptable and respetcfful way/ manner.

          • saay7

            Selamat Cousin Hope:

            You are being unfair to Dagmawi. Dagmawi was a ferocious debator, an Ethiopian nationalist who was not a huge fan of TPLF. He did something heroic on September 2, 1999. While:

            (a) the likes of Hayat Adem were still talking about US-Rwana (she still is),
            (b) while some Eritreans had one and only one position throughout the two year of carnage (it is all Eritrea’s fault),
            (c) while some in the Eritrean opposition were shamefully quiet,
            (d) while still some of them (while now trying to jump on the honorable position of Saleh Gadi Johar who consistently blamed both sides throughout) were like ab mai z’atewet anchwa, and many STILL are;

            On September 2, 1999, Dagmawi, who had been the fiercest defender of Ethiopia’s position and articulated its viewpoints better than the government, wrote an editorial entitled “Why Ethiopia Should Sign the Peace Plan.”

            http://www.oocities.org/~dagmawi/NewsSep99/Sep2_Peace.html

            Ethiopia rejected his advice and went to war. So, cousin, it is an insult to the great Dagmawi to compare him with the blood thirsty Hayat Adem who thinks that the Eritrean people are just collateral damage in the campaign to unseat Isaias Afwerki and no price is too high to pay.

            saay

          • Hope

            Ahlen Prof,
            Thank you!
            To your amusement/surprise,I missed Dagmawi’s last position and recommendations.
            Yes indeed,he desrves a Peace Noble Prize for this.
            I hope Kim Hana,Horizon and, of course, the Peace-Maker,Dr Fanti Ghana,will follow suit and write the same letter to their current leaders.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Hope,

            IMO, each of them are capable of defending themselves and rightfully doing so and in the process, we will learn a lot about each of them. So, I am not sure if others stepping in is really useful. On top of that one can make arguments for and against using/not using pen names, whether it does or doesn’t matter whether one is female or not female; male or not male; Muslim or not Muslim; Christian or not Christian; whether one is Eritrean or not Eritrea. Ethiopian or not Ethiopian; so on so forth. Hence, I think people should just leave them alone.

            Regards,

            FS.

          • Hope

            Selam Wo Senay Fnote Selam:
            For the record and FYI:
            I am not defending SAAY but throwing my piece of opinion based on my observation.
            Of utmost importance,I am defending my self as Hope as the same person has been calling me with names and belittling my Eritrea and Eritreans.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Hope,

            I wasn’t referring to you. Just explaining my reply to AOsman.

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Hope

            Correction:
            Please read :’Hayat does need to teach us about—” as ” Hayat DOES NOT need to teach us about—-“!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Haw AOsman,
        Either we have to argue against her argument leaving the issue of identity, or with due respect we can’t debate on identity of pennames. If the fact is on our side why are we shy away for the national issue and divert the debate on “idenetity war.” I can’t beleive to go on hunting idenetity and personality issues. It only shows we lose the debate, if we don’t challeged her formidably. We have to stop this personality attack when we fail to challenge her. I believe we have enough depth of knowledge to challenge her if she tries to challenge what believe is right. Why do we lose simply in a debate which we should/could do better. For me unless this pennames cross the red line and attack my personality, I don’t care who she/he is. There are many issue I could disagree with hayat, but I respect the way she handles her debate. So brother we can’t do bothways.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Emma:
          Emma, with one caveat, the issue of Ethiopian help, which Hayat’s tormentors are spinning as “invasion” is important, it will make a difference if an Ethiopian said it or an Eritrean, no Ethiopian said it in this forum, but for an Eritrean to support that line of thinking that Hayat stipulated shows promise to go against the herd thinking that Ted, Dawit and Nitricc and all the PFDJ gangsters wants us to behave because it worked like a charm to enslave the people, that to come from an Eritrean is what I called refreshing and an antidote to the tyranny of the mind that Eriteans have been subjected to since the hijacking of Ghedli by the innovators of foreign help for narrow and myopic political survival

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam AOsman,
        .
        Her religion and gender is not important to you. That is good to know. I will hold you to that. Nationality? I have to ask this.
        .
        Every Ethiopian I know seems to have an aversion for any military involvement in Eritrea. They give you a variety of reasons but the same no answer. I would say that the circle I live in is somewhere in the middle, not left or right. The educated Ethiopians have even a deeper aversion for this kind of involvement.
        .
        I am sure you give high mark for Hayat Adem’s intellect. Why then, as an Ethiopian, would she be advocating military intervention against her own perceived interest. I pose this question to you because I haven’t seen you fudge the Hayat’s words of military assistance or help into euphemism of outright invasion and occupation or the like.
        I await for your response, in anticipation.
        .
        K.H

        • Rahwa T

          Hi Kim Hanna,

          Yosef G. has the same stand as Hayat Ahmed and I wonder if her accusers would also question YG’s nationality.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Embeyti Aynei,
            Who is this Hayat Ahmed, I wanted to ask you ealier, but I assumed you meant Hayat Adam. Twice is asking to be asked, so answer!
            PS
            The Qimant link you refered me to did not take me to where I could find the article you suggested I read. Please find it for me at your convenience. Thanks.

          • Rahwa T

            kema’Alka girma Adi,

            waye tewaridey. anta kab mnbab kihadm nab enda Awate enameTsakhu negerat yibalashewenilo. sorry, Hayat Ahmed was “Miss Ethiopia” and one of the top 5 contestants for “Miss World” about 8 years ago. She is one of the people who recently traveled to Egypt representing Ethiopia and meet the president and others. I imagine Hayat Adem is as beautiful as Hayat Ahmed.

            I will search the link at Nega’s interview at Addis Admass about the Qimant people.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Rahwa T.
            .
            Thanks for the information. I responded to Nitricc somewhere, thinking he was saying Hayat Ahmed to pass the Awate guidelines on technicality. Sometimes I just have to be careful in my assumptions.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T.,

            YG is proud to tell his identity but not proud of his history. He feels ashamed of who he is and he. Hayat Adem is neither.

            Regarding their approach, they are quite different. YG dismisses Eritrean history as if it of not necessary. Hayat Adem keeps Eritrean history as it is and sometimes diminishes but exemplifies Ethiopian and especially TPLF’s history.

            YG curses the colonial nature of Eritrean identity and hence targets the mind. Hayat curses PFDJ and cares zero on humanity and advocates for war and hence targets humanity.

            At least to mention some.

            tes

        • AOsman

          Dear Kim Hanna,

          Initially I thought you were a lady, sometimes I have to remind myself, as they say first impression lasts.

          If the debate on Awate.com was focused on religion, then a Muslim acting as Christian or viceversa would be an issue, as far as Awate forum is concerned the focus is on politics related to Eritrea, relationship between Eritrea and Ethiopia. The issue of identity and nationality is therefore important as we try to work out the motive of debaters based on the information we have about them.
          I may act as Ethiopian and Christian to promote what serves my nation or religion, but that would be deception. If one day, I come out and declare that I am not what you think, would you take me serious?

          Why then, as an Ethiopian, would she be advocating military intervention against her own perceived interest. I pose this question to you because I haven’t seen you fudge the Hayat’s words of military assistance or help into euphemism of outright invasion and occupation or the like.

          Are you implying that an intelligent or educated Ethiopian would not hold a such a view?

          This is not rocket science and my following answer is not out of paranoia (just wearing an Ethiopian hat – maybe insane one for you 🙂 ).

          Access to sea is the biggest factor that is at the heart our Eri-Ethio problem. There are many Ethiopians that regard having an outlet as a God given right, like the Egyptians who thought they owned the Nile and no one should mess with its flow.

          Once securing access to the sea becomes a mission, you have a number of approaches and the no war no peace is one good strategy (from that perspective). It creates the right ground for the reversal of independence by weakening Eritrea, militarily, economically, politically. The public discontent, “deconstructing the reason d’etre” and then taking the strike at the right time is a process that one would work on.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr. AOsman,

            Understandably we are all apprehensive about the identity discussion, but given the fact that the
            opposition’s number one obstacle from winning the hearts and minds of many Eritreans is its association with Ethiopia, at the heart of SAAY’s argument is then: by masquerading as an Eritrean and by supporting all Ethiopian political positions as opposed to Eritrean positions and on top of that advocating for Ethiopian interference in Eritrean internal affairs Hayat is polarizing the opposition’s position even farther. Technically he is worried she might be doing PFDJ’s bidding in a very complex way.

            Now, the tough question is what to do if she is really an Eritrean. In my humble opinion* the accusation will back fire, and we will have a mess in our hands. Therefore I had no choice but to dismiss the case.
            Don’t you think I have the Wisdom of Solomon or what?

            * I had an English teacher in college who kept giving me Cs for starting sentences with “on my humble opinion” on papers that could have been As or Bs otherwise, so this is my way of saying ዕደ*.

            KH,
            ዕደ literally means eat your heart out. Talk about economy!

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            You were consulted on this issue because of your expertise and long experience in dealing with multicultural societies. You were given specific exhibits some of which you ruled on and some that you considered inadmissible. But I do understand your ruling; but I didn’t agree in advance your ruling would be final and binding. (I realize that means nothing in some quarters:). Oops, I think I just displayed “hate” towards Ethiopia. Come to think of it since you are the only Ethiopian alive who has for called for TPLF/EPRDF to comply with the peace terms it signed, gasp, I think you hate Ethiopia too!

            Hey, I can top you “ede” for its brevity: “Fo!” Also that cliquing sound about people back home do in lieu of saying “affirmative.” Sounds like “hq”. In a televised interview, I once heard the late Meles Zenawi making that “hq” sound. Uh oh: I think that was hateful of me.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Brother SAAY,
            ሰብኣይ ክልተ ናብትይ ናብትይ ክብል መተ’ንድያ ኮይናትኒ ጉድ ረኺበ፡፡

            I hear you both clearly, I love you both immensely, and I also know that at the end of the day the solution to make peace between you can only be found in both of your hearts. Although I dismissed the case because I could not serve guilty or not guilty verdict under the circumstances we were in, I am still hopeful that once both of you cool down from the heat of the moment you will find a way to combine your strengths for the greater good.

            If I can help in anyway here I am: fantighana@hotmail.com

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam AOsman,
            .
            You do have a point. The old generation with that conviction is getting smaller by the year. In another decade or two that suspicion and coveting will subside on both sides. I hope by then the only conversation about access to the sea will be the direct economic talks. What works for both.
            .
            K.H

        • Nitricc

          Hey K-H; I think you are asking very honest question on your part. When it comes to Eritrea there is big difference in perception between Tigryans and Ethiopians. The none Tigryan Ethiopians may care about the ports and if possible, good relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea. However; when it comes to the Tigryans their motivation,
          dream and idea is to replace PFDJ with their own puppet government. The government they will place in will report to Mekkele and takes orders from Mekkele and the only way the Tigryans could achieve replacing their own puppet government is through force, chaos and invasion. And that is what she doing. What is disturbing is she even went 40 years ago and blamed the Eritreans for what happened to the Tigryans during the famine in hope to establish a case for TPLF to attack. When I read anyone post; I look for motive but there are some dumb people don’t even know why they post. So, all this who is Hayat is, not that she is important and we give a hoot what she is; but she can’t call for wars and detractions in our name. That is all we are saying; not in our name. if we have a problem let’s solve it ourselves.

  • Estifanos

    Hi Everyone,

    May be somebody is trying distract us from focusing on this article.

    http://asmarino.com/articles/4370-eritrea-underground-journalism-in-eritrea

    me think so?

    • Rahwa T

      Dear Estifanos,
      I read the story. It is very interesting. It seems peoples here are skipping it deliberately. Great article.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Cus Gheteb:
    I think two years ago when the issue of Hayat’s identity was brought up Hayat said has no problem revealing the true identity of Hayat, and specially since she is of the opinion that the opposition should get help from Ethiopia, it would make it more palatable to all of us if Hauat answers in affirmative that indeed Hayat is Eritrean, a female and Muslim. As to the Arabic, I know Hayat knows Arabic more than MaElesh, Hayat actually wrote a few lines in Arabic, but that doe not prove Hayat’s religion.
    What I was trying to say was that the language and the facts that Hayat uttered or quoted certain words that are considered off the limits to females is not evidence, it is not even circumstantial, it is a hunch. But I agree with you Hayat must silence her tormentors by at least denying one of the trinity of the attributes.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Wo Cuz Semere,
      You are telling me that this issue of identity,religion and gender about the person in question was raised two years ago. Two years ago, Cuz Semere??? And, it has been two years that the same question is being raised now. I am telling you that is the most weird, strange and bizarre thing I have ever heard. What, two freaking years and this person keeps dilly- dallying about his/her identity, religion and gender? What is this, anyway? Revealing and showing the hidden and mysterious Ark Of The Covenant somewhere in Akhsum???
      Well, Cuz Semere, it is just getting weirder and more bizarre by the day and gives more credence that there is more than meets the eye regarding the triumvirate issues of identity, gender and religion about the person in question.
      Now, please Cuz Semere don’t tell me that you don’t find such kind of a stance from the person in question freakishly and outlandishly WIERD !

  • selam

    Dear semer
    we have voted andd your vote for hayat is meaningless, go ride with her and nothing changes. She is ethiopian under weyane pay cheque , oww I just accuse her from nothing but her love to the weyane pilot who bombed asmara in 1998. May you did not follow her lines. You are the only person defending her , I mean from the eritreans around. One vote in 10 is meaningless.

  • Hope

    Here is the DEAL!
    The Strength of Yonas at the Tour for the Truth, Peace, Justice and Eritrea
    Read more at http://www.tesfanews.net/the-strength-of-yonas/#B6AIsri8JV9SVaoX.99
    The Strength of Yonas at the Tour for the Truth, Peace, Justice and Eritrea
    Read more at http://www.tesfanews.net/the-strength-of-yonas/#B6AIsri8JV9SVaoX.99The Strength of Yonas at the Tour for the Truth, Peace, Justice and Eritrea
    Read more at http://www.tesfanews.net/the-strength-of-yonas/#B6AIsri8JV9SVaoX.99

    • Fnote Selam

      Hi Hope,

      Is that Habte Weldesimon in the pic to the right?

      Tnx,

      FS.

      • Hope

        Fnote,
        I tried to ID him but it is too dark and far away to say so.

  • Nitricc

    Hi semere; if what you have said came from other than you then, it would been a talking point. But, it is you, you Semere, no worries; no one accuses you with higher IQ, so that will give you the privilege to say the entire stupid thing. From what I read; I have no doubt you fantasize about Hayat while you are sleeping with your wife? I hate to break for you; but when next time you fantasize; think Hayat is a guy? Now watch this …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25x_OMYCYSg

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dearest Semere,

    Every time I read you , four things remains solid unchanged (a) your principle (b) humbleness (c) farsightedness (d) Persistence. What a remarkable human value you possess. Everything you noted about Hayat and her adversaries in your comment are precisely are factual and true, and yes the whole truth. I am running to work, but I will add few comments about Hayat and her adversaries from there.

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Amde

    Hi Semere,

    It is for Hayat to say of course, but from my perspective, it is literally her articulated position that proves her Eritreanness in this day and age. Her view (Ethiopian military intervention) is not necessarily rare among Eritreans of today. I have an Eritrean childhood friend who has said something similar to me years ago – he worded it as “Weyane ande gebto inezihin yabarillin enna yemifeligewun asqemiTo selam yamTallin”. On the flip side, I personally know of no Ethiopian who advocates for Ethiopian military involvement in Eritrea. The general attitude is that of “absolutely not – they made their bed – let them sleep in it”. Believe me, I have asked this of young and old – from ex-military who fought in Eritrea during the previous regimes, former student radicals, current youth and officials in government. In that sense, I am convinced Hayat is an Eritrean that has the courage to articulate what many are just murmuring in private. In my view, that part of her identity is what matters. Her gender and religion are immaterial.

    Amde

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Amde:
      I agree with what you are saying, mostly anyway. But still at this day and age the Ethiopian help is rare among Eritreans, even rarer among women and Muslims. So I would be delighted if the 3 attributes are all true about Hayat. Otherwise as I said in my comment, her ideas are fresh, courageous and I do hopethat she makes them un intimidated after the bout of heated debated/attacks that is focusing on her “sinister” motives are settled.
      Contrary to the those who think the herd-mentality is our unity, it is the courageous thinking that will liberate us, the same way that Awate and others defied the herd mentality of their day, it is the trashing of the herd thinking that eventually free us from the yolk of PFDJ. Eritrea is in dark-ages now, an epoch were free thinkers like the journalist and politician get imprisoned and the thinkers of darkness roam freely.

      • saay7

        Cousin iSem:

        First, with respect to the question you asked Hayat regarding her identity, this is the answer you are going to get: It is like the scene of Pinnochio in Shrek 2

        https://youtu.be/6CGyASDjE-U

        It’s not that she doesn’t want to tell you, but the mission she is on (peace formula: EPLF/PFDJ is to blame for everything; TPLF/EPRDF is innocent of everything–well, everything except being too patient with EPLF/PFDJ) requires that she stay in character. “Otherwise, Semere Hawey, send me your email address and I will tell you everything:)” I might even tell you why I am the only female, Muslim Eritrean who is so worried sick about the “Kebessa demographic collapse.”

        You are an American political junkie. Do you remember the last Republican convention? Why was Mia Love, who was barely elected and hadn’t even been sworn it to political office featured as a speaker? This lady:

        https://youtu.be/6CGyASDjE-U

        It was, as you know, to counter-balance the sea of middle-age white male faces. Similarly, awate.com needed something to counter-balance the angry middle aged weyane male (T.Kifle printing industry) and, ergo, Hayat.

        But good luck getting an answer Pinochio wouldn’t give:)

        saay