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Rule Of The Jungle And A Quest Of PFDJ Mindset

Introduction: Here is an article written on my search for the PFDJ mind set after spending years contemplating on the ideologies followed to rule the juntas. I was always wondering what type of ideology is the current ruling tyranny in Asmara follows in his guidance. In 2008, I remember one student asking to the political instructors of Cadre school in Nakfa this same question.

Mr. Ahferom Tewelde, the school director, responded by saying, “the political ideology followed by PFDJ is SOCIAL JUSTICE.” At a level of ideology or as a political motive, it is included I a number PFDJ documents. For example, in the charter adopted by the third congress of 1994, PFDJ’s vision is clearly tells Social Justice as a means to economic developments and social democracy. It states that the vision of PFDJ is to have equitable distribution of wealth, services and opportunities, and special attention to be paid to the most disadvantaged sections of society. Additionally, the Eritrean constitution ratified in 1997, in chapter 1 Article 1 (1), it is clearly stated Eritrea is a sovereign and independent State founded on the principles of democracy, social justice and the rule of law. And Article 8 (1) of the Economic and Social Development states the State shall strive to create opportunities to ensure the fulfillment of citizens’ rights to social justice and economic development and to fulfill their material and spiritual needs.

You may wonder whether this is an ideology or a principle that they follow. As PFDJ’s claim, it is an ideology, an ideology that drives all policies and norms of the front as well as a tool in societal call for the nation building process. This principle may look safe as we refer modern literatures on human rights. For example, at UN level, social justice is considered as a universal approach towards human rights advocacy. And this top cover resemblance has misled many dissidents in tackling the inner core of the front. As a result, many Diaspora based opposition groups duplicate the same mission in their political programs.

This being my curiosity for search of the ideology, it has been almost a decade since my first awareness. Based on many surrounding activities, whether they are economical, political or social issues, I spent years to look into this ideology if it the one that is really in implementation or not according to its premise. Though distorted in its application and meaning to the ordinary people, the masses, the ideology has landed his footsteps in almost all spheres of Eritrean life. For my search, I came to be encountered by many terminologies. If you are curious about this subject matter, you can just give some of your golden time by sitting in front of ERI-TV (the mouth piece of the regime in Asmara). Then, you can easily trace on how the word “Social Justice” is used in Information Medias and community based works and organizations.

Social Justice and Juche Ideology

To start my historical tracing, in a new and organized form, since 2002, just after the round-up and detention of G-151, the word, SOCIAL JUSTICE, in Tigrigna translated as, “Mahberawi Fithi” became a mouth piece of daily news and political propaganda.
I was not aware in detail what it means before, but from mid 2008 on-wards, I started to give a special focus on how the term is coined in the daily lives of the Eritrean Society. Sadly, the majority, including me, consider the term as safe as it sounds. The reason is, the social norm of our society was such a kind where sharing, social campaign and mutual help are such a long standing character of the society. As a result, when the ruling regime use it, it is not easy to pick-point as a political ideology.

In the ground, just as the way the daily administration is running, the society was tired of the “Kupons” and “Dukan Hidri, as well as “Tumur Mahres – collective farming” In addition, terminologies like community health center, community recreation center, community kinder garden, community courts, community hospitals, campaigns, etc, were and are still now common words to hear.

Such terminologies which became part our daily life, inside and abroad conquered Eritrean daily activities. The worst is, those who fight for democracy to prevail in the country are using them unconsciously in performing for their organization campaigns. I am saying this, because, in many political parties and civil organizations, “Social Justice” is one of the major objectives. And this is creating similarity at least on the surface as well as information diffusion.

Here is then my interest to dig out what a social ideology is and how it is implemented. Months before, I had posted a document which tries to speak about social justice. But, my understanding was so shallow that today I came to understand neither of the existing ideologies was followed by PFDJ. The reason is “Social Justice and the way PFDJ regime is trying to us has a different approach.

Then, what we will be next?

Having this question in my mind, I continued a search to the political life of North Korea. I did this because; it has been now almost a decade to compare Eritrea and North Korea in a number of issues. Having this as a driving motive, I went to their political philosophy and I came to know, what they have is different. Every North Korean citizen is feed with a typical ideology that they proudly claim that it is theirs; a political ideology that I never heard of, “JUCHE IDEOLOGY”.

Have you ever heard about JUCHE IDEOLOGY?

If your response is “NO” and probably “NO” for most, is not a surprise my fellow people, and the answer simply lies on the nature of North Korea. North Korea is next to closed hell, an isolated country where very little is known to outsiders even to the North Koreans themselves. Anyway…, after getting in touch with JUCHE Ideology, I read a number of articles to have an in-depth understanding of this ideologies power and its significance on the social transformation of the Korean people. After such a long quest of the “Juche Ideology,” I came to understand similarities between the political systems. Under this consciousness, I came to realize that the terms used by DIA were not his.

To mention some, “Self-Reliance”, “Nation first”, “All for national sovereignty”, “National Security”, “Technically minded youths”, “Politics of our own nature and based on our experience”, “One man centered leadership cultivation”, “One idea” etc… The list is infinite. The only non-existent list is “Constitution” But, yet, I found that NK has a constitution based on the ideology they developed. Then, what is going on in Eritrea?
Question after question will throw me of course into the jungle, where I can only find the address of PFDJ ruling elites. No ideology, no constitution and no definite political line. And of course, it is easy to trace back and make a conclusion for what PFDJ has. Yes, they have a rule that I call “Rule of the Jungle.”

To enrich my quest, I wrote a series of 8 volumes based on the ideology followed by North Korea, called “Juche Ideology” and my reflections in each phrase that I thought is more relevant with that of PFDJ way of handling their journey based on my own analysis by reviewing critically, what Juche ideology and Social Justice is.

Did I say what the self-claimed ideology followed by PFDJ is Social Justice? Just to remind you and to catch-up and being tuned, if you are following even more reluctantly, what I am trying to make my point clear is obvious, just have your own quest as you move-on. Yes, as I said, PFDJ has the so-called “Social Justice” as their core motive for their objective mission and programs targeted towards the Eritrean people.

To enrich my analysis, I base my reflections on a paper written by Grace Lee published in Stanford Journal of East Asian Affairs, volume 3, Spring 2003, titled by, “The political philosophy of Juche.” I did this, because I found the paper has exhausted all the main themes of JUCHE ideology and can easily help us to float in the ideological discourse.

The Political Philosophy of Juche

The political philosophy known as Juche became the official autarkic (A policy of national self-sufficiency and nonreliance on imports or economic aid) state ideology of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) in 1972. Although foreign scholars often describe Juche as “self-reliance,” the true meaning of the term is much more nuanced. Kim Il Sung explained:

Establishing Juche means, in a nutshell, being the master of revolution and reconstruction in one’s own country. This means holding fast to an independent position, rejecting dependence on others, using one’s own brains, believing in one’s own strength, displaying the revolutionary spirit of self-reliance, and thus solving one’s own problems for oneself on one’s own responsibility under all circumstances.

The DPRK claims that Juche is Kim Il Sung’s creative application of Marxist-Leninist principles to the modern political realities in North Korea. Kim Il Sung and his son Kim Jong IL have successfully wielded the Juche idea as a political shibboleth to evoke a fiercely nationalistic drive for North Korean independence and to justify policies of self-reliance and self-denial in the face of famine and economic stagnation in North Korea. Kim Il Sung envisioned three specific applications of Juche philosophy: political and ideological independence, especially from the Soviet Union and China; economic self-reliance and self-sufficiency; and a viable national defense system.

The governing principles of Juche were clearly expressed by Kim Il Sung in a speech entitled “Let Us Defend the Revolutionary Spirit of Independence, Self-Reliance, and Self-defense More Thoroughly in All Fields of State Activities,” which he delivered to the Supreme People’s Assembly on December 16, 1967. In it, he declared that:

” …the Government of the Republic will implement with all consistency the line of independence, self-sustenance, and self-defense to consolidate the political independence of the country (Chaju), build up more solidly the foundations of an independent national economy capable of insuring the complete unification, independence, and prosperity of our nation (Charip) and increasing the country’s defense capabilities, so as to safeguard the security of the fatherland reliably by our own force (Chawi), by splendidly embodying our Party’s idea of Juche in all fields.”

My Reflections on this basic introduction

From the first part, we came to learn that “Juche” as an ideology came into the surface in 1972. I said, “to the surface” because this is just an official use of the term as an ideology. We will see in detail on its historical developments just let’s have patience.

And second, the term is referred by foreign scholars as “Self-Reliance.” Did you get the point? I am highlighting this because; my focus is to co-relate it on how the PFDJ regime is using the word self-reliance. As quoted from Kim Il Sung explanation, we can compartmentalize the statement into a number of segments for visualization. Here it follows;

Establishing Juche means, in a nutshell,

1. … “Being the master of revolution”
2. … “Being the master of reconstruction” in [one’s own country].
3. … “This means holding fast to an independent position”,
4. … “This means that, rejecting dependence on others,
5. … “Using one’s own brains”,
6. … “Believing in one’s own strength”,
7. … “Displaying the revolutionary spirit of self-reliance”,
8. … and “thus solving one’s own problems for oneself on one’s own responsibility
9. … UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.”

What a number of points are coming into flash? I could have left you here, because no additional points will be mentioned outside this. Did you come to read some points which we have been bombarded for the last 10 years? I am saying 10 years, just to emphasis on the years in which the dictatorship was officially came into air. For acceptable reasons, I have left the years before as they are.

Another point that we learned from the first part is, Kim Il Sung as initiator and credit holder and his son Kim Jong IL as a successful wielder of the Juche idea. Jong IL formulated this idea as a political shibboleth to evoke a fiercely nationalistic drive for North Korean independence. He almost converted it as a religious cult. What can he not do if he has to prove the dynasty of his power? And worse, he did this to justify policies of self-reliance and self-denial any external aid even during worst times his own people.

Thanks to our people that we have a strong belief, a belief that has long and strong foundation that sustained almost 2000 years. Both Moslems and Christians. It is impossible to dig this foundation to destroy the existing one and wield it as a political shibboleth. But, PFDJ got a fertile land in formulating his policies according to “Self-reliance approach.” Even this has lots of draw-backs and bold rejection by the major policy makers. But, as the ideology beliefs on one man-rule, those who confronted to such policies became victims. Please check the number of prisoners, more than 10,000! What a shocking phenomenon is this? Just to build the one man system, putting these number in under-ground detention centers.

Are you surprised? Don’t please. Just stay in touch and continue reading.

Juche ideology has three major components. Just three major components, as a specific guidance for its application:

a. Political and ideological independence, especially from the Soviet Union and China
b. Economic self-reliance and self-sufficiency; and
c. A viable national defense system.

Now everything is clear like morning sunshine of Massawa. Those who visited or lived in Massawa, you know what it looks, if not, I wish you to have visit soon. If you read Soviet Union, sure, communism, the Marxism-Leninism, cold war, as a powerful union will come in the front. And not less than this, though not of the same scale, with the word, China, Mao will come. Mao and China are two faces of the same coin. “Maoism,” hard to describe it as an ideology, but because of his powerful figure in the communist China makes him to have such credit. Then what is coming into your mind.

Escaping from these two ideologically powerful countries is hard. Especially by considering the geographical location of North Korea and the hunger they had in disseminating their ideology. In addition to this, NK was totally inspired by such movements to make herself free from the Japanese oppression. How is then possible to be politically and ideologically free? If they can win on this regard, of course the other will be easy. Anyway, they had to device and also became the winners in introducing their own kind of ideology, the Juche ideology, with its own components as it is noted.

The question again remains on the economic side. Despite some important mineral resources, such as coal and iron, North Korea did not have sound economic bases. Every decision taken then will lament the situation. Whatever it demanded them sticked to their political ideology and as we can today North Korea is the most secretive nation in the world.

What relevance does it has to the Eritrean dimension? Can we read that such decisions were taken in the new millennium? Did they follow the same course of history or Eritrean case is also a new paradigm of the new millennium? Keeping such critical questioning, let’s march.

As noted above the key components are

1. Domestic and Foreign Independence (Chaju)
2. Economic Independence (Charip)
3. Military Independence (Chawi)

Nothing is here knew from the points outlined before. Just to be more targetful, the names are clearly elaborated and discussed as it is extracted from the reference paper.

Chaju: Domestic and Foreign Independence

The principle of political independence is one of the central tenets of Juche ideology. With respect to international relations, the principles of Juche stress complete equality and mutual respect among nations. Furthermore, Juche ideology asserts that every state has the right of self-determination in order to secure the happiness and prosperity of its people as it best sees fit. These political tenets – equal sovereignty and non-intervention – would satisfy the fierce desire for respect and security of a small and weak nation-state such as North Korea.

In practice, this political stance has caused North Korea to truly become a hermit kingdom because of the huge stigma Juche places upon cooperation with outside powers. According to Juche as interpreted by the DPRK, yielding to foreign pressure or tolerating foreign intervention would make it impossible to maintain chaju, or the defense of national independence and sovereignty. This in turn would threaten the nation’s ability to defend the interests of the people, since political independence is seen as being absolutely critical for economic self- sustenance and military self-defense. Kim Jong IL predicted that dependence on foreign powers would lead to the failure of the socialist revolution in Korea.

Among countries that he considered socialist peers, such as China, the USSR, Cuba and several African countries, Kim Il Sung urged cooperation and stressed the need for mutual support and limited dependence. However, while acknowledging that it was important to learn from the examples of other socialist countries, Kim Il Sung was highly sensitive to the problems of flunkeyism towards Moscow and Beijing and the inevitable Marxist-Leninist dogmatism that he abhorred during his guerrilla days. In constructing the socialist revolution in North Korea, he warned that the North Koreans must “…resolutely repudiate the tendency to swallow things of others undigested or imitate them mechanically.”

Furthermore, he claimed that his regime’s “success” was credited to the independent manner in which all problems were solved, conforming Marxist-Leninist principles to the specific conditions of North Korea without altering their fundamental substance.

Domestically, Kim asserted that it was imperative to build internal political forces to ensure chaju. The pivotal factor in the success of achieving chaju would be the extent to which the people rallied around the party and the leader Kim Il Sung, and later Kim Jong Il himself. This insistence on internal unity of support, stemming perhaps from the elder Kim’s disgust with internal factionalism before the Korean War, conveniently helped to justify his consolidation of personal power.

Charip: Economic Independence

An independent and self-sufficient national economy is necessary both in order to secure political integrity and to achieve national prosperity. Charip – economic independence – is seen as the material basis for chaju, or political independence. Kim Il Sung feared that economic dependence on foreign aid would render the state a political satellite of other countries. He believed that it would be impossible to successfully build a socialist republic without the material and technical foundations that would come from an independent national economy. This economy would consist of a powerful base of heavy industry with the machine-building industry at its core, which would equip light industry, agriculture, transport, and all other branches of the economy.

According to Kim Jong IL,

“Building an independent national economy means building an economy which is free from dependence on others and which stands on its own feet, an economy which serves one’s own people and develops on the strength of the resources of one’s own country and by the efforts of one’s people.”

Independent food production was seen as being of particular significance because successful farming would provide the people with stabilized living conditions and means to independently support themselves. Just as important to the survival and independence of the national economy was the establishment of reliable and independent sources of raw materials and fuel. Extensive modernization of the economy and training for technically-minded cadres were considered indispensable for the construction of an independent national economy as well.

Kim Il Sung was careful to maintain that building an independent national economy on Juche principles of self-reliance was not synonymous with building an isolated economy. Looking at the size of American aid to South Korea, which equaled its fledgling economy’s gross domestic product during the immediate post-war years, Kim Il Sung recognized that North Korea would not be able to survive without significant aid from its communist sponsors. Thus, he encouraged close economic and technical cooperation between socialist countries and newly-emerging nations as an aid in economic development and ideological unity.

My reflections

Non-intervention! What does this exactly mean to PFDJ system of politic? When they diffuse their political propaganda, they use the term called, “National Sovereignty and we are the master of our politics. Let’s see how Juche ideology states this:

“Juche ideology asserts that every state has the right of self-determination in order to secure the happiness and prosperity of its people as it best sees fit. These political tenets – equal sovereignty and non-intervention – would satisfy the fierce desire for respect and security of a small and weak nation-state such as North Korea.”

There are two points mentioned here; “Equal sovereignty and non-intervention.”As a matter of fact, EPLF formed a strategic mutual friendship with TPLF throughout the late 1970’s and 1980’s. Though it can be seen as the right political game, the TPLF had their own objective when they started the revolution. But, EPLF intervened in this objective which forced them to change from self-determination into abolition of the oppressor in Ethiopia. This intervention had resulted many tensions between the two revolutionaries in the early 1980’s.

Worse to this, the political complexity of the horn of Africa was and is one of the most complex developments to draw a scientific analysis because of such interventions. EPLF and now PFDJ had intervened and is still intervening in almost all conflicts in the east and sub-Saharan African countries. The Somali case, the Chad case, Sudan, Ethiopia, Djoubiti, Yemen,Congo, etc.

I mentioned these countries because I heard a firsthand testimony from Yemane Gebreab, the head of political affairs of PFDJ in 2008, while he was teaching us in the cadre school of Nakfa. I never imagined before such direct and very far reached interventions was involved by this ruling regime. He brought this because he was explaining the political developments in the horn of Africa and the way they see it.

From his words, Yemane spent one month in Chad to see and analyze how the Darfur case was running and what possible means can be done to intervene in the conflict resolution. Wow, how interesting! Yemane, the political leader, spending one month in Chad. This is just from his own words.

The Darfur rebels were having direct contact with the PFDJ ruling elites to get help. But, an unofficial visit, and creating chaos in the region! How bad is this?

I remember those days with high conflicts in Chad, and tensions between Sudan and the Chadian government. Can you draw easily a link from such interventions?

And worse, Abdela Jabir, the ex-organizational affairs of PFDJ was representing Eritrea in the peace talks of Abuja between Darfur rebels and the Sudan’s government. Only Eritrea opposed the agreement reached on that time. This was just a concurrent lectures delivered to us by those ruling elites of the PFDJ. One participating in the ground, in intermingling the issues and another sitting on the table saying, “NO to agreement!” What a satanic mission is this. Why don’t the Darfur and the Sudan’s people solve their case themselves, if you are rejecting any intervention on your own case? And how far you are going to intervene?

See, the information media was talking day and night on the conflict in Chad, Darfur and Sudan at large. Yemane was there personally for one month in Chad and Abdela Jabir on the table, the diplomatic media to decide the future fate of other people.

Can you draw the line? The mass-media raising the issue, direct involvement and then sitting table to decide on behave of the others. Simple!

This is how the tyranny regime in Asmara works in his policy of non-intervention… And worse, Eritrea is considered as member of neutral countries, “shara zeybilen hagerat” How can this be?

Many examples can be listed: Eritrean intervention in Somalia by saying a historical friendship, Eritrean intervention in Sudan (Sudan and South Sudan now, in intervention that lead the division of grand Sudan, Sudanese central government and eastern Sudan intervention- the Asmara peace talks, Sudan and Chad, Sudan and Darfur case), Ethiopia (The list is many, may be I will leave you to search by your own, but just to give you a recent example, the Demhit case), which I personally saw their camp in Tessenai, in Wedi-Leges’s farm land), in Assab, the Afar opposing Ethiopia, May-7 the list is endless.
I can conclude that, if the media is bringing any conflict news, then, there is intervention. I can justify my conclusion in a number of ways, but please do your own search also. Information can be just searched and sure you will have it.

In this regard then, the PFDJ has failed to follow the concept of “Social Justice” in which they claim that they follow it. But rather, they have a Maoist mentality in this regard. “Killing your enemy by his own weapon and to do this trying all your best to make it happen!”

But unlike going to others, the PFDJ remained closed in himself and this made him one of the most secretive tyranny in the world. The Juche ideology is further analyzed as:

According to Juche as interpreted by the DPRK, yielding to foreign pressure or tolerating foreign intervention would make it impossible to maintain chaju, or the defense of national independence and sovereignty. This in turn would threaten the nation’s ability to defend the interests of the people, since political independence is seen as being absolutely critical for economic self- sustenance and military self-defense.

This is what is exactly happening domestically inside PFDJ political line. Closing everything by imaginary, illusionary or false proportions of threats. The cold-war psychology a self created imaginary enemy. Is it a left-out of the old Soviet-Union strategy? Or just a carbon copy of North Korean way of handling their own case.
Regarding the economic independence, (as it is called Charip), Juche says:

An independent and self-sufficient national economy is necessary both in order to secure political integrity and to achieve national prosperity.

And it continues,

Kim Il Sung feared that economic dependence on foreign aid would render the state a political satellite of other countries.

What a coincidence is. When NGO’s were expelled from Eritrea, the reason given was exactly what Kim Il Sung said it 20 or more years before. Is PFDJ acting as a puppet? We were told and still are being preached in a way so that our mind will consider those international organizations are only a means of surveillance. How much is the innocence to this approach?

I am not in favor of foreign aid, but, when I fail to help myself, it is not a crime someone to come and help me. The notion NGO-by itself stands for non-governmental organizations, but they do governmental jobs. They help the people or country in need in different ways. And no one can deny such great contributions in the world history and even in the Eritrean war to independence;

let’s come and look how the government ministries were so dependent on NGO’s and international funds. The so called governmental ministries which were highly dependent on such funds and helps of NGOs’ are Ministry of Agriculture, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Fisheries and Ministry of education. The rest were just working at a very small scale. And it is hard to trace the damage caused when funds that comes from international organizations. But since the ministries such as ministry of Health were so dependent on these funds, their existence became into question. Worse is, all the structures were formed in such a way that they were direct beneficiaries of NGO’s. I can say, it was just like a blood for their proper functioning. And more, the heart was with the NGO’s.

See now, those NGO’s own the heart and have the blood with them. If these two are removed then, how can you replace them. You might install an artificial heart and this where the PFDJ came-in after 2004. You know the consequence. Just I remember my many friends remained idle after many projects were cancelled because of their direct funds from these groups. Guerrilla is really a guerrilla. I remember these days they rushed to Asmara from Sahel. Leaving all the infrastructures behind and never going back.

In a normal life, there is always away out from the life that you were living. You can’t just escape, and if you escape, the consequence will not be easy and that is what we have for the last 10 years.

The Juche continues as: Independent food production was seen as being of particular significance because successful farming would provide the people with stabilized living conditions and means to independently support themselves.

Food security! As an agricultural expert, I have seen the hollow preaches and the way this policy was implemented. I taught for six years in the only existing agricultural college in Eritrea, Agricultural college of Hamelmalo. I believe that students which graduate from this were capable enough at least to run the transitional food security projects. But in the ground, it is so hollow. Imagine, in Sub-Zoba Keren, branch office of the ministry of Agriculture, 90 staffs members were stranded in just three rooms, each room not greater than 4 by 5 m, 20 m2. No labs, no computer, no clear project. They have to come, sign and leave. All of them, except the head officer, have a 12+, I said plus, because recently many graduates are coming with basic technical skills from Sawa and hagaz technical schools. The head officer is just bTemekro diyom ziblwo.

I just mentioned this, but everywhere, it is the same. Then how can you secure food? When the cabale intellectuals have no place even to sit and think.

I will discuss in detail on the agricultural policies and the way it is implemented, but, I said, it is just a hollow.

… To be continued

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  • Hope

    Hailat and Horizon,
    I have to respond briefly to Haile “G” and Horizon outside of this topic as I have no access to the previous thread.
    I understand that you,Hailat, “know” all the ins and outs of the PFDJ tricks and its modus operandi but I am of the opinion that we have to differnetiate the PFDJ Hatred from the National Interest of Eritrea.
    Hailat,here are few of the “OTHER Facts”:
    -Let us put aside the hatred,the bias and the PFDJ “crimes” for a moment.
    -No matter what,The GoE is recongnized as such by the UN,the AU/IGAD,EU—by 187 plus Nations-
    -Realtively speaking,the GoE has done a great job in producing more than enough Institutions and Human Resources–Physicians, Teachers,Nurses,Techs–etc–with minimum resources and despite all the sanctions,against all ODDS–etc–in less than 6yrs under the worst conditions,success stories that the old African States have not achieved yet despite every conducive environment they have had over the last 50 yrs.
    -The Accreditation process takes yrs but I am glad that at least the Sudan acknowledged it—
    -The parties that do NOT want to recognize the existence Eritrea at all,are NOT expected to acknowledge those successes–hence,I do NOT expect an “Honest Accreditation Process” from those quarters.
    -You cannot compare incomparable things at this momnet(Ethiopia vs Eritrea!)
    –What we have to acknowledge is the success of Eritrea as a Nation and that of Eritreans as people
    -The Norwegian Independent Organization,in fact, extensively scrutinized this issue and came up with an objective assessment of the over all successful status of the Eritrean Institutions for Higher Education.Swallow the bitter TRUTH.
    As to the EYSC,Mr.Prosecutor and Mr.Judge,you have NO right to speak for them.Moreover,your rhetoric to exclude people like us from the EYSC exposed you to be even worse than the PFDJ and the one you labelled as the PFDJ “puppet” ,the YPFDJ.
    Back to Horizon/Attorney Horizon:
    While accepting your “apology” if it is genuine,I do NOT appreciate your threats; but here are few facts that you have to consider.
    -First of all, I misread the name as Babylon even from the beginning,which I just confirmed to be Pappillon and that is why I said” kim shima”–thinking/misreading that her nick was really “Babylon”,which could be a nick by any means…
    -Not only that I did not know that babylon=*hore,I could not find this to be true from three English and American Dictionaries/Google Search.
    -My understaniding of Babylon(contextually) from the Bible–is ” Confusion and chaos” and it was based on this premise that I tried to respond to your dear sister as she labelled many of us, and repeatedly, as” Confused,Dihulat”(ask your sister the meaning of this) .
    Specifically,she targeted me,Saba and also I think Semere Tesfay/Ali Salim.Some of us politely asked the Moderator to reconsider what this person has been saying for a long time now(Refer to my request,that of Guet-,SM–etc).
    As to her/your mis-percpetion or mis-understanding,albeit,deliberately,about my response,that is her and your problem.After all,my background , my persona and my Religion/Faith do not allow me to express things in such a way–let alone to label any perosn or a lady as a *hore,which is not even in my dictionary.
    My understanding is that ,your sister is trying to be defensive as she felt guilty of what she has said many times in this forum.
    By any standard,if you label someone “Confused and Dehul” repeatedly,as you said it correctly,its implication is that, that someone is “mentally sick” or “psychotic”.
    And if you are or your sister is going to label me as such, without even knowing me at all and without any perceived or implied provocation,then you know who is in trouble.
    If you and your sister are expecting to be respected and to be dealt with dignity,you should respect others equally as such.
    After all, I do NOT expect any Ethiopian, and specifically any Tigrean for that matter,to wish good things for Eritrea and Eritreans, and based on my observation on this forum,Aiga Forum,Tigray Online—nazreth.com,ethiomedia.com,etc–,the ONLY reason the Ethiopians/Tigreans join this forum is to create chaos,division and confusion among Eritreans and that is the Official Policy of your government.This is based on facts,NOT on assumption.
    Bottom line,we did no invite you but you are self-invited guests,thanks to the AT guidelines/generosity.But as the saying goes:” sayterut abet,saylikut wedet”;”keyte’ademe zemetse ghashas,keytseghebe wetse”(consult your sister for a professional interpretation).
    In the event,in the future,I ask and expect you and your sister, to respect us by any means and under any circumstance

    • Horizon

      Excuse me, but what are you talking about? Is “Saba” and “Hope” the same
      person? It was hope who posted that despicable comment. Is this a case of double identity?

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Horizon, I hope they will answer no. but if they are not different that is a disaster for me because I was discussing honestly with Hope to reach to a result for common agreed position.

        • Horizon

          Dear Kokhob Selam,

          The above comment was posted under the name Saba before it changed to Hope. It is a weird thing. That is why I asked if it is a case of double identity.

          • Saba

            Dear Horizon,
            I see it happening to me too. Sometimes i see Haile with the contents of ALI-S, but since i know where they stand, i just update the page or open another window until i get the right username with the right content. I do know why it happens, ask AT.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Strange!!! and nobody reply so far Lol.

        • Hope

          Cool down brother/Kokhob.This is purely technical/IT related issue.the AT can easily confirm this unless the Discus thing is messing up

      • Hope

        Get it real,man.
        Respect,in order to be respected.
        Yegodda(yewega) biresa,yetegodda(yetewega) airesam.HUh,you hit then you cry thing!

    • tes

      haw Hope,

      I feel something bad when I read your comments. Anyway..we need to come out from this kind of mind-set.

      • hope

        Just finsih your long Thesis,man.

    • Hope

      If you are talking about the above comment,yes,this comment belongs to me,Hope.Saba and Hope are two different people,and the AT cand confirm that.
      My apology Saba for being in this spot.

      • Saba

        Hi Hope, no problem. It is possible that it happened to Horizon as it has happened to me. Either Disqus or dekihidirtna are changing the names. Keep enlightening them. In case you miss the gran round, i have diagnosed a new syndrome, called PFDJ SYNDROME, it is similar to WUBE syndrome in its manifestation but due to a different cause:) I have posted the details in the new semi-satire article.

  • Saba

    Hi Tes, in your conclusion, is the PFDJ’s social justice different from Nkorea Ideology? If it is different and if they were preaching social justice but they were practicing Nkorea ideology, then do you think EPLF/PFDJ were lying from the beginning and that EPLF/PFDJ was evil in its inception ? I am trying to understand what is your conclusion.

    • tes

      Saba habtey

      PFDJ has never used Social Justice as his ideology. I say this because Social Justice’s pillars are totally different from that of PFDJ’s ideology. I will repeat, Yemane Gebreab said recently in Swiss YPFDJ’s conference that, PFDJ succeeded in implementing strong National Identity and Advanced Social Justice. Lets as this simple statement.

      What is national identity according to their mindset?
      What is an ADVANCED Social Justice for PFDJ?

      Even long time ago, they were claiming that of “temekro meda”, all are the same.

      Then what?

      what they have is a JUCHE Ideology. point!

      They have never practiced nor are they going to apply Social Justice to Eritrea and Eritrean people.

      But one thing I may agree, if Social Justice is according to what hayet described it, then, YES, that is what we have in PFDJ’s shelves.

      I would be very happy if you and others make the conclusion part. Welcome for your take.

      • Saba

        Brother Tes, if your conclusion is correct then EPLF was a lie and evil from its inception, not only pfdj. Is that correct?

        • tes

          Saba habtey,

          Simple question for you

          Which one is greater? A lier or a betrayer! the one who betrays his own people?

          • Saba

            Both are unacceptable to me. I want to focus on EPLF, was the EPLF a lier and/ or a betrayer?

          • tes

            Ok, for me, there is no difference between EPLF and PFDJ. I usually write as EPLF/PFDJ. I like to see the whole.

          • Saba

            Thank you for giving me a clear answer. I am trying to know more about your research and conclusion. What i think is irrelevant to your conclusion since it is not my conclusion so do not be sometimes defensive and try to investigate me why i have asked you such a question. Your research/conclusion will continue while my judgement will not unless you consider it. I ask questions because i am passionate.
            In my opinion you should make it clear in your writings that you do not see any difference b/n EPLF and PFDJ because not all EPLF members are members of PFDJ.

          • tes

            Saba habtey,

            may be at the first, you could understood me that way, as if I was defensive, but now the more we exchanged direct answers the more I am clearing my lines and hence away from the defensive line. As much as you, I am also passionate to know your way of saying. I can gues where the question leads when you ask me such critical questions, EPLF or PFDJ type. I know there is interpretation to that. I am well aware on what I say. The question of EPLF and PFDJ i a big political game these days and remember that there are within the opposition groups who want to revive the old EPLF, as they think that everything was good within it.

            Hence, I can ask you to make a cross-check question.

            I would like to pardon if I look offensive, but, as we two exchanged many questions, I feel as I am in normal open communication. I don’t mean to be offensive even during normal open communication, but, may be my answers are very direct. hope by now you read me between my lines.

            Great thanks.

          • Saba

            Brother Tes,
            That is great! I thought, since the topic is your research, my opinion is less important and it might shift the topic. But if you want to know my opinion, i have my own ideology and principle and i will choose the best party based on that. My principles might be permanent but the party i choose will not necessarily be permanent. So i want to create a favorable environment to the best party/movement.
            Having said that let’s comeback to your research. Since many members of EPLF come from ELF, can you exclude that the idea that EPLF ideology came from ELF’s ideology? The second question is, where does ELF ideology come from? Thanks.
            Saba

          • tes

            Sister Saba,

            Sorry to read saying, “my opinions is less important and it might shift.”

            If your opinion is less important, then my posting here is meaningless and my exchange and sharing with you is just a wastage of time. Oh NO! Your opinions are highly valuable and important for my further research. I tahnked you so many times, it is not just to be polite or to pretend, Just I mean it for your high valued opinion.

            Opinions are not meant always in line with mine. They are by themselves a mirror of what I posted and am commenting here.

            Second you are afradi not to shift… of NO, if if my research work in not upto the level of the standard that can be nulified by comments, then, my research work is weak and meaningless. Your opinions are meant to tell the strength of my works and if it shifted, let it be. 100s of research works are done each year, but most of them are kept in shelves of just burned into ashes. Why? because they are not good. This is what my objective is. To show my research work and then the audience check them, scritinize them,, cross-examine them and grade them accordingly. Therefore feel free even to critize aggressively and as an academic person I know its positive impact for my further research.

            Therefore, your opinions are highly valuable and if you can throw my paper into the garbage if you find it useless. But, at the same time, here I am to clarify things, defend when necessary (as an academic procedure).

            I am not asking for your particular ideology, but if you are included in the ideology that I am describing here, the PFDJ’s ideology, JUCHE, then, you can defend and show me that it is not. Who knows, you can be EPLF/x-EPLF/PFDJ-x-PFDJ or sparties with similar ideology. If you belong to this category, then of course you are in the mindset that I amlooking for.

            Concerning ELF’s ideology, you may better directly ask to those who knows it better and have first hand information, Amanuel Hidrat could be one best source of this wisdom. But, your link to ELF and EPLF ideology, I don’t think so. in my opinion, they have very quite ideological lines.

          • Hope

            Bingo,litlle sis.
            No further questions,your Honor!

          • Ali-S

            Hope and All,
            If you and all do not mind, I am formally nominating Saba as the official spokesperson of the Third Way movement. Certainly speaking for myself (others may do the same and I strongly recommend it), if I say anything in this debate and the spokesperson decides otherwise, I offer to resign my argument or claim for Her Majesty’s.

          • Saba

            Dear Ali Salim, my compatriot in the Third Way movement,

            I am honored to nominate me as the official spokesperson of the the Third Way movement. But based on the democratic ideology and principle of the Third Way, i will accept it only if i get 50% of the votes of the members. I want it also to be a teaching ALL moment for members of the cyber opposition, bizey lela gulela.

            And i have also one more request: my acceptance speech should be written by “Semiruley” Andom, iti getami:) But if you insist i will skip semiruleys role, since you are the founder of the the Third Way movement. Thank you very much.
            Saba

          • saay7

            Selamat Saba:

            You said that you will accept Ali Salim’s nomination to be the spokesperson of the Third Way “only if I get 50%* of the votes of the members.” . But you already have 50%: the members of the Third Way are two people** (you and Ali Salim) and with his vote, you got your 50%. Vote for yourself and make it 100% 🙂

            Now that you are the spokesperson of the Third Way, to save yourself from becoming as vapid as America’s Third Way (The No Label group: more on them here: http://www.nolabels.org/), do tell us if there is more to your “cyber organization” besides criticizing the opposition:)

            saay
            The 1 1/2 Way

            * Since one of your criticisms of the opposition is that they are not democratic, it behooves you to know that 50% is not enough; you need 50% + 1

            ** You know the expression ኸብቲ ዓዲ___ተር ተበላ ሳልሰይተን ዒሉ? That’s The Third Way now:)

          • Samuel N.

            Not all EPLF members are EPLF members always. The point where the name change happened (1993/4) is almost irrelevant. In fact a more relevant point would be 1997 or 2001.

  • Jo

    Kokhob Selam,

    I think your analogy of satan and God are misplaced, both are devine entities and absolute at that: one for good, the other for evil. People are by nature not absolute and prone to err. If we were going to be as absolute as you put it above (good or bad) then, I think, we are assuming divinity which is wrong, as we are assuming God’s or (God forbid!!!) satan positions. And, could you imagine, as human beings, having in mind our disposition as such if we could have had that divine power? Thank God!!! He took that away from us when He kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden “NAKED”, not interns of clothing, but absolutism, certainty, judgment, righteousness…etc. However, the good God he is, he gave as the ability to err and rectify our errs. Please!! first bring us down to earth, let us recognize we are humans (that can err and rectify) and, after that, inshallah!! we may be able to deal with our earthly affairs. “To err is human; to forgive is divine.”

    Remember, we are humans first, then politicos.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Jo, I just give that analogy to show how much bad is PFDJ within this material world. remember we are here to follow God or Satan so we are reflecting both. some time it is not wrong to describe “Hizbe sheytan” to those like PFDJ as they follow the work of Satatn. Satan hate to see you in peace with yourself and beloved once and even with God.PFDJ is following the same. that is to say reconciliation is impossible with PFDJ. Can you negotiate and solve with someone who says I will kill all your children and you? no I can’t. No there is one single solution with this type of Satan. And I don’t know much about Satan – for me Satan is just a symbol and PFDJ is the practical representative Lol. even some one told me that Satan has rejected to replace his name by the name PFDJ Lol.

  • Saba

    To Dawit, do you know what does it mean “Wube syndrome”? No googling, cheating:)

  • tes
    • Ali-S

      Tes,

      Thanks for the video. Very informative. You articles are amazing and I understand what you are trying to do.

      However, as I said in other posts, it would be more usable if you wouldn’t mind writing them in a way that views Eritrea (opposition and PFDJ) as an integrated whole and in a way that explains the dialectics between the two. As you know the N. Korean ideology you described so efficiently would make no sense inside the country if it were promoted in isolation of the challenges it claims with the outside world.

      As you know too, any smart person would appreciate the pressure to N. Korea of a whole world conspiracy. At least a significant number of N. Korean nationalists would see some of the claims of the ideology as well deserved. Don’t you think so?

      I hope you read only what I wrote: there is no hidden agenda here to get you to say things or make U-Turns.

      • tes

        Thank you for your great compliments Ali-S.

        Yah, it might be more inclusive to see the whole as one. And this is clearly indicated in my lines that, many opposition groups had duplicated, are duplicating and probably will duplicate the PFDJ’s ideology. Lets go along all the major political parties and movements, almost all of them included Social Justice as the main mission. Social Justice and Justice are two different things bro. Ali-S, you better know that. Social Justice as an ideology is more complicated and with mirage. As it it is open to interpretation.

        My objective comes then here. To expose the mind-set of PFDJ’and its extended roots so as to diagonize for better future. I have no doubt with the way they are fighting for and the success that is coming. But, if they are re-creating the same x-pfdj Eritrea as pro-pfdj Eritrea, then, the result will not be fruitful, though the dictator can be removed.

        Others I just read between your lines here and I respond, but at the same time, I put your mind-set under the same analysis after reading your U-trun.And for this, I wrote my comments previously in your articles. I call you, as highlyrespected elite and your writing skills to help in exposing this mindset and go direct. We don’t need U-turn. We need to continue by clearing the weeds we have.

        Thank you again
        tes

      • tes

        My take on Social Justice as a Mirage word

        Social Justice as a “MIRAGE” word After its initial conception of 1840, and its immergence as a secular concept at international level in the 20th C, social justice created confusion in its adoption as a political tool. Despite its holy word coined in it, the practice got non linear application as it is supposed to do so. As a result many scholars started to doubt in its core values and started to question the unquestionable of its inner spheres.

        One of the prominent scholars who coined an anticipated meaning of social justice is Friedrich A. von Hayek, in his book 1976 titled by “Law, Legislation, and Liberty: A New Statement of the Liberal Principles of Justice and Political Economy.” Hayek came with a new words coined to the idea of social justice and he called it a “mirage.” a “will-o-the-wisp”, an “empty formula,” “strictly,” “necessarily,” and “entirely” “empty and meaningless” ; a phrase that “meant nothing at all” , that “has no meaning whatsoever,” a vacuous concept; “a quasi-religious belief with no content whatsoever” , a “primitive anthropomorphism” , or “atavism,” a “superstition”, like believing in witches or the philosopher’s stone, or a “hollow incantation”, like “open sesame”.

        What Hayek clearly stated was the tendency of social justice as a dream word just kept in sub-conscious level and expecting something good to happen. There, the fault is quite clear and the probability of attaining what it was said so matters on how much the dream can be memorized during the conscious way of life. This is quite clear as we see regarding Eritrean case. PDFJ dreamt [let it be, though NO], in fact, a good and holly dream; as it could have upgraded the life of every individual across the Eritrean society with all necessities installed and exercised by every born Eritrean.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tes,
          Are you strictly against “social Justice”? Your quoting Mr. Hayet’s argument make you sound like a student of that school of thought, not in filed of study, but as a conscious follower. Is social justice an empty formula and meaningless as he described it? One can oppose for his own reason and interest for any philosophical terminology, but all social terminologies have meanings and addresses social interest and personal interest. Leave alone terminologies words have meaning.

          • tes

            Haw Amanuel,

            I am not against Social Justice and I am not a student of that school of thought. I am a free thinker in search of PFDJ’s ideology and at the same time I don’t want to be a naive. I question the unquestionable.

            I quoted Hayet here because I want to show how diverse is social justice is in its interpretation and how much flexible is to change into ones own advantage. Social Justice is good if it is applied in its correct interpretation. Humanity and Justice is at its center, equality is at its centre, no segregation, and above all use of resources for common good.

            The question here is, how you are applying it?

            What is equality? and you attain it?

            What is Justice and how you do it?

            What not to segregate and why?

            many more can be listed.

            Lets take equality

            Equality, of what?

            land?
            job access?
            Justice?
            beliefs?
            resource allocation, such as food?
            salary distribution, … etc

            From this list, we can draw how policies are applied.

            For example, in Eritrea, lets consider, land policy? what is that? how it is applied? why it is applied? who applies it? to whom does it applies for? etc.

            In this way of thinking, Social Justice is of diverse in its application, and open to different policies.
            Under this analysis, I put PFDJ in the filtration or better distlation process and I found that Hayet’s definition is more appropriate.

            But all this search is with origional perseived question of PFDJ ideology and I don’t belong to any school of thaught, except the Eritrean society mindset.

            thank you!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Tes,

            Thank you for clearing my doubts. My questions was simply to know how your stand is on social justice. I think in your first comment when you quote Hayet’s argument, I didn’t see relating his argument to that of PFDJ. Yes indeed there are different interpretation of social justice. Actually Hayet does not look from social science school of thoughts, nor his approach sprout from the universal philosophical approach. If you just read the language he used in the quoted statement, it doesn’t look his account from a researched and keen study to the subject. It looks that comes from bystander opinionated remark. Thank you again, we are in the same page.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel H.

        • Ali-S

          Hi Tes & Emma,

          Do you see any similarity or have some experience with the following:

          A judge was interviewing a woman regarding her pending divorce, and asked, “What are the grounds for your divorce?”

          She replied, “About four acres and a nice little home in the middle of the property with a stream running by.”

          “No,” he said, “I mean what is the foundation of this case?”

          “It is made of concrete, brick and mortar,” she responded.

          “I mean,” he continued, “What are your relations like?”

          “I have an aunt and uncle living here in town, and so do my husband’s parents.”

          He said, “Do you have a real grudge?”

          “No,” she replied, “We have a two-car carport and have never really needed one.”

          “Please,” he tried again, “is there any infidelity in your marriage?”

          “Yes, both my son and daughter have stereo sets. We don’t necessarily like the music, but the answer to your questions is yes.”

          “Ma’am, does your husband ever beat you up?”

          “Yes,” she responded, “about twice a week he gets up earlier than I do.”

          Finally, in frustration, the judge asked, “Lady, why do you want a divorce?”

          “Oh, I don’t want a divorce,” she replied. “I’ve never wanted a divorce.

          My husband does. He said he can’t communicate with me.”

          The above is a copy-paste from this http://super-duper-funny-jokes.blogspot.ca/2013/09/miscommunication.html

          • tes

            haw Ali-S,

            I like your humour. And I think you are coming-up with your U-TURN here now. If I understood it well, what your message is clear.

            Your humour is a perfect example for the PFDJ like mindseted opposition groups and individuals of course. My search is for this. I am trying to reveal what is working inside the PFDJ’s system of governance and the software installed to its masses. It is a software which is installed longtime ago and still the up-date is coming with the same version but different colour. I am detecting this software to completely detroy it, if not from the massed but from the place where the update is coming.

            And worse is, the hardware. Which can be hard to destroy it. We might use a re-cycling method, but, this will not help. Suppose, take the ministry of land resource and environment and minsitry of agriculture in Eritrea. These are the hardwares that use the software of PFDJ’s ideology. Land Policy, which you much more familiar with, is one thing that we need to go through. How to work with this?

            Not U-TURN, but a new software and new hardware is needed. We don’t want your third-way, but a complete divorce.

            Complete divorce with PFDJ is the only solution we have and this what I am trying to work with.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Younis H.,

            I like your resources. You are a resourceful man. The problem is your resources doesn’t help you to come to a sound judgement. At one time you come with “solid grievances” and at another time you make U-turn to the camp precisely the source of your grievances. Hard to reconcile.

          • Saba

            Hi Ali Salim,
            Here is a summary of ALL your conversation with members of the “cyber” opposition[CO]:
            Ali-s: I have this “Land-grab” topic

            CO: As long as you inflict harm to pfdj, we like whatever you say, actually we are impressed with your writing skills. AgenaE.

            Ali-S: I am passionate about this “land-grab” issue but i am curious, what do you stand for?
            CO: Nothing, we just want to remove pfdj. Actually most our ideologies and visions are the same to that of pfdj but they did not allow us to share power in the first place and now they are following misguided policies.
            Ali-S: I have attended to some of the opposition parties, their leadership style is more of dictatorial. Is that correct?
            CO: No, our opposition is strong, ata dimsus, focus on pfdj, do not ask such question. Nikid tiray.
            Ali-S: i am just afraid not to install another dictatorship. Do you have a grudge?

            CO: Ata dimsus, here is a video of misery for you to see.
            Ali-S: Actually i have seen pfdj gifitat in person.
            CO: So intay tiwaty dea aleka?
            Ali-S: I am confused about you guys, anyway how you gonna remove pfdj?
            CO: By any means im/possible, all options are in the table, even by selling chirmam meriet or civil war.
            Ali-S: this is scary, and i am actually U-turning about my land-grab issues, i want to have a constructive role in the future of my country.
            CO: What? We have lost your support from land-grab issue. From now onward, your name will be cancelled from all monuments of the cyber oppositions, your name will be cursed. We will not hear you even when you say the truth. You are kedae, worst than pfdj.
            Ali-S: How about if i say that the earth is round?
            CO: No, that is wrong because your U-turn spirit is evil.
            Ali-S: 2+2=4
            CO: That is wrong too, coming from a pfdj degafi.
            Ali-S: I am not pfdj degafi
            CO: Anyone who do not support our dictatorship is against us. You u-turned from us, ata kedae.
            CO Diagnosis by Saba: some have grudge specially EPLF/ELF type, some are just looking for power, some have pfdj syndrome, specially the new ones(pfdj syndrome= you want justice but politically you can not see clearly and holistically, you have tunnel vision, all you see is pfdj crimes, the rest of the world does not exist)
            CO treatment: Saba rehab clinic for those with pfdj syndrome, exposing to the public those who seek power by any means, for those who have EPLF/ELF type of grudge the treatment have not approved yet, it is on investigation.

          • tes

            Very good summary Saba!

          • Ali-S

            Saba,

            I have been reading this all day and laughing like crazy. Did you go to school to do this? Are you related to Girmay San-Diago?

            I am sure you have received the approval of the Priory by now that you are Her Majesty the Official Spokeswoman of the Third Way.

            At your services Your M!

  • tes

    Saba habtey

    Saba habtey,

    I think I did not respond this question before. I thank you to bring it here again.

    EPLF is a mass organization that was lead by the secretive party (EPRP) and this party was the master head of the whole mass organization. And of 1994, PFDJ came into existence which I think EPRP was officially dissolved. Therefore, I will equate them into the same equavalence, EPLF = PFDJ and hence is their ideology. I said this based on many existing evidences.

    See the PFDJ charter of 1994, national service proclamation of 1994, land proclamation (1994), Macro-economic policies, governmental structures, etc, all have deep root with that of the armed struggle. All are based on Socialistic approach, as their claim. here is piece of another topic’s portion in connection to Social Justice works ( I hope I will come-up with this article also).

    “Social justice is an ideology introduced by the ruling totalitarian bandit of EPLF/PFDJ in the Eritrean state from its early time of 1970s. This ideology was not clearly expressed during the early times of the struggle as Marxist-Leninist ideology and Socialism were tools in up-grading the social consciousness of the masses and fighters. During the last years of struggle a new approach was drafted that was thought to be adopted in a pro-independent Eritrea. In reality, this was not a conscious move as it was driven by the changing political environment of the world and political diversity of the revolutionaries. In the early years of independence, EPLF appeared more of democratic front with all promising democratic institution establishments and mixed systems of economical inclination. Such promises lead to a new hope in the political situation of the horn of Africa.

    But, things came to change soon after EPLF drafted the first charter in 1994 and with the eruption of new border conflict with Ethiopia. When we closely examine the way EPLF/PFDJ runs its social, economical and security policies,
    there is clear observance of the social justice ideology in all spheres. In the charter adopted by the third congress of 1994, PFDJ’s vision is clearly tells Social Justice as a means to economic developments and social democracy. It states that the vision of PFDJ is to have equitable distribution of wealth, services and opportunities, and special attention to be paid to the most disadvantaged sections of society. Additionally, the Eritrean constitution ratified in 1997, in chapter 1 Article 1 (1), it is clearly stated Eritrea is a sovereign and independent State founded on the principles of democracy, social justice and the rule of law. And Article 8 (1) of the Economic and Social Development states the State shall strive to create opportunities to ensure the fulfillment of citizens’ rights to social justice and economic development and to fulfill their material and spiritual needs.

    Therefore social justice is a a clear principle that was outlined in achieving the vision of PFDJ in building Eritrea according to the various sources from the PFDJ and the Eritrean constitution. But, how far they succeeded in achieving this goal?

    As I said, PFDJ claims that Social Justice is their ideology, I am not just saying it, it is what they said. But, for me, social justice is totally different. Let’s see UN’s ideolog: Social justice is the main pillar of their organizational structure and “Huamnity” is at their center.

    My claim is, PFDJ’s ideology is JUCHE IDEOLOGY, which equates them with that of North Korean Ideology. This is my search result. And to support my argument, I depended on the article mentioned in my paper, and my approach is Deductive reasoning.

    • Saba

      Tes, thanks for replying. I want to encourage you for approaching to our politics through research even though I do not agree with your conclusion in this case(And do not forget to research the cyber opposition, you know perfectly that they exist in the diaspora with many names like EPXY, ELF-XY etc, just google them. I am aware that un/fortunately none of the different parties/movements of the cyber opposition are legal in Eritrea, so please do not play with semantics). The main reason I am asking questions is to know what did you find out by researching, I am curious by nature. So I am not asking you questions just to antagonize you.
      The reason that you come to wrong conclusion may be because you did not consider the concept of CORRELATION, cause & effect and linkage disequilibrium as an example. I will try to give an example. Let say you have a friend Mr X and enemy Mr Y, who is the best friend and inseparable of Mr X. You frequently to hang out with Mr X, who always hangs out with Mr Y. I see you frequently to hang out with Mr Y but in really it is wrong, it is Mr X who is bringing you to hang out together. So there is a correlation(frequent hang outs) between you and Mr Y, but you are not friends at all.
      Similarly I think the EPLF/PFDJ, ELF, N.Koreans and other groups might have copied their ideology from the same source, so it would be wrong to say that PFDJ have copied from N.Koreans.
      Personally, based on people I have heard speaking, there is EPRP 2.0 in a small scale and
      that allows DIA to do whatever evil he wants.
      If EPLF/PFDJ was evil in its ideology from its conception then Eritrean independence would be the fruit of that evil, which is hard to swallow.
      Saba

      • tes

        Hi Saba,

        I need of course more time to reach all the Eritrean history with all its pros and cons. But, I tried to make the correlations that you mentioned. Sorry that because of lack of statistical datas, I might not go deep inside and uncover. So far, I have read books and articles, the fabricated PFDJ books, articles written by international experts (Dan Connell is one of my favorite), articles that deal with religion, women, history of East Africa etc. And in addition, my living in Eritrea for the most important dates of my life under the PFDJ regime, being in first hand contact with the front cadres, x-members of sagem (like Ahferom, Zemhiret) and many ELF members which were living and working with are good first hand tools to make my synthesis.

        I agree with you with the existence of EPRP 2.0, not from what I have as a reading sources or said, but from own personal observations that I am still doing. This kind of structure is common in Socialitic minded revolutionaries and they can not live it simply.

        For the cyber opposition groups, I am sorry to understand you clearly and I don’t have any information about such names. But, at the same time, I am also afraid that it might be your own nickname given for them. Such naming could be possible for people who might not understand the proper software that it can be developed in the wrong time, saying that the existing diaspora based opposition parties and organizations could be intentionally down graded to only cyber opposition parties. And this is meant to belittling their actual power in the ground. In this ragard, I strong reject such labelling.

        Those Eritrean opposition groups are reaching all dors of Eritrean societies by all possible means, starting from New Zealan, Australian, China, Indonsia, Japan, Thailand, middle east, Europe, Russia, America in general etc. I am saying this because, in New Zealand for example there are strong PFDJ opposing groups, much stronger in Australia, individuals in China (I was for example in China), from japan, etc.

        I am saying this because people are opposing where ever they are and PFDJ is shrinking from time to time and now they are down to hold meetings under strict secretive system. Therefore, lets be positive.

        And for the correlation, my spectrum is very wide and I will repost my theory which I had posted earlier and you can understand how I am trying to combine all the complexities in one simple model. My search towards PFDJ mindset one part of my total work.

        Sorry for those who have through my previous post of my theory.

        • Saba

          Brother Tes, Eritrean politics and history is so complex and not researched, so i understand the difficulties and the time that it takes. I see you have met some high level pfdj members. Enqua be dehan wetsaeka kaboom.

          From people i have spoken to EPRP2.0 exists even at the colleges and university(AU, before its demise). The reason why we need to stufy pfdj is to prevent future pfdj’s .

          If you consider yPFDJ as a sign of pfdj strength, then those people you have mentioned show the strength of the cyber opposition. We need to look the root, not the branches. If you see the tegadelti during 1994, you will feel that eplf/pfdj was working at their best for democracy, but we have not scrutinized the roots of pfdj. That is why i am advocating that we need to rehab the cyber opposition, dihri may nab baati keykowun.
          I like your flow chart, but as i said last time, you have included the force contributed due to the lack of a credible alternative opposition party.

          • tes

            Saba habtey,

            I would be very happy and very clear to respond for your last statement. You said, “You have included the force contributed due to the lack of a credible alternative opposition party.”

            Let me focus on the altrenative party.

            I kindly say that we have enough party to work with. I don’t think that we need another one. But we can work jointly in putting them in “CLUSTER form” depending on their political lines or methods of fighting. Then within that cluster, we can develop a unifying force to tackle the intended target.

            I don;t support blind united force, but I do support an anvironment that can bring these clusters together and discuss to have progress. I may happily engage in research works that can cluster them. we all know that there are more than 30 registered opposition groups so far and still hatched like a month old party.

            Therefore, I do believe that the already opposition parties are well enough to accomodiate the whole society of Eritrea. Some of them may vanish soon because of their own financial deficiet and some of them lack of persistence. To avoid from such, CLUSTERING can be done and produce a strong opposition groups.

          • Saba

            Tes, actually i should have said “you have NOT included the force contributed due to the lack of a credible alternative party” but i think you got what i meant. Just for the sake of having a name and a party, we have enough, that is why i said EPXY or ELF-XY. Just substitute X and Y with nice sounding names and here you go you will establish a new party but in name only. Or you can just call it Emma party:) But my sentence includes also “credible”. We do not have a credible opposition party, not one! Better if we have a credible cluster but we do NOT have, that is the problem. If you do a poll in the diaspora to choose between PFDJ and the cluster or PFDJ and any one the parties/movements out there, with maximum guessing, how much do you thing would be the result?

          • tes

            Saba habtey, lets make the already existing opposition groups to be credible. That is what we can. Forming a new party will only produce a new uncredible party. Let’s work based on research. Let’s do scientific analysis, get the proble and solve it. But, I believe the opposition parties we have are credible, just we need to put trust and participate within them.

            And when I say clustering what I mean is to put to put similar groups together.
            clustering is the task of grouping a set of objects in such a way that objects in the same group (called a cluster) are more similar (in some sense or another) to each other than to those in other groups (clusters). In this was, we can succeeded.

            let me give you a simple example,

            PFDJ claims Social Justice as his main center and works to bring social justice for the people. And EPDP has the same, only they added constitution. Already, PFDJ worked for it and is working, in the way they define it and they ratified the constitution but never implemented it. ANd hence, PFDJ and EPDP are generally categorized under the same group of clustering. They main claim differently, but the truth according to their paper is like that. Then how they differ, may be the is a DIA in PFDj, but EPDP members or leadership may claim that they are more democratic,
            and for that, D = represents Democracy in both, P (people) they have, This is what we should not do for.

            http://www.harnnet.org/

            This is one of the most complex duplication of mission that exist. And for people not able to differentiate between PFDj and opposition groups. EPDP is one of the known opposition groups and if its mission is the same as that of PFDJ, then, what they are fighting for? Is it for power, position, or to remove DIA from power? We need to study these groups carefully and that is my search.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Tes,

            Bingo. Right on the mark. Political organization are there only for power grabbing . They talk and give a banal remark and statement. That is it and no detail. For-instance EPDP believes on decentralized unitary governance (DUG). If you ask them what kind of DUG. They haven’t any clue.

          • tes

            Thank you Amanuel,

            as you said before, our wavelengths are the same and in complete harmony! Thank you, and BINGO for you too!

          • tes

            Saba habtey,

            let me clear for you, when I say that I meet high level pfdj instructros, what I mean is just as a student of their cadre school. Introduction to their politics, for 45 days. And every year around 300-400 from all colleges, usually staff members from 15-25 or 40 deoending on the year are also nominated to participate. I didn’t work with them closely, as I was just a graduate assistant. therefore, I was an academic person and i will be for the rest of my life. thank you though for your good wishes.

  • tes

    Merhaba Saay,

    Same also I pulled my comments for more debate here.

    Hi Saay,

    It is good that here the discussion is shaping the debate and I thank you and Amanuel for this ensightful discussion.

    First: Your focus on one man centered leadership of Issaiasism has a possibility of belittling the whole organizational contribution of the EPRP. Issaias as central focal point might have a mastering role in diffusing the adopted ideology of an ideology which I am equating with JUche Ideology. In the whole course of the armed struggle, Issaias came with no NEW IDEOLOGY, but, as he has learned it, he might have played a central role (of-course Juche favors such kind leadership). And, his satanic and dictatorial behaviour perfectly matched to apply this ideology for the structuring of the whole EPLF and in theorizig the secretive party that was dismantledd officially in the thrid congress of 1994. You might argue that the historical chronology was in 1989. But, at a congress level, where major changes are usually taken, 1994 is marked for that in history.

    Second: Issaias did not create any unique ideology that we might honor him for his philosophical works like his master revolutionaries of Marx, Lenin his close teacher Mao and the founder of Juche ideology, of North Korea Kim Il Sung, the master of North Korea ideology. Hence no created can be given to him. But, as good student of those masters (good for bad of course), he might have played a great role in welded it perfectly.

    But I doubt in this regard and I therefore prefere to see within the EPRP (EPLF) box.The contribution of leading cadre instructors like Haile Duru’e should not be under-estimated and in addition the long time chairman of the fron,
    Romodan Mohamed Nur, is also equally responsible in welding the ideology. For acceptable individual behaviour and shifting political study and personality, the satanic mission could be different.

    Hence, I prefer to say EPLF/PFDJ ideology rather than Issaiasism or Duruism or Romodanism or Alaminism. The whole front leadership is responsible, especially the secret party members. We can dig into the lines of the secret party and sure we will get this Juche Ideology.

    And what is all about this then?

    my main objective is, to expose the inner mind of the EPLF?PFDJ and the EPLF members (be the all time recruited, hafash wudubat, the school, like revolutionary school, and the after independence PFDJ working structures) from ideological point of view and destroy them. My objective is to understand the mindset, and devise a technic to destroy
    it.

    Saay, your one-man centered approach will produce nothing at the end. Issaias might have played a central role, which I am in doubt. DIA is equally responsible like all the leading PFDJ leaders. And the mission can not be finished after removing this satan from power. the ideology is already there. We need to understand them very well and where it is located exactly.

    Doing this will help us in forming a new democratic Eritrea. New Policies based on Eritrea that we dream for should be designed, government structures that suite such policies should be re-structured, strategies by concerned bodies should be outllines and of course programs and projects. removing Issaias and his puppet’s will ot solve the problem. We need to remove the ideology that exists in every office, in every policy, in every house, in every individual, in every Eritrean society.

    Removing officers or leaders will bear nothing, because the ideology will fight for any power that will come. Sometimes I think deepy when I read statements in the PFDJ medias stating that they have succeeded in making their foot strongly standing. This statement is not what they mean by “they will remain always in power,” they know they will die, naturally or by any means. But their ideology can stay behind and has a possibility of staying long, for decades or centuries.

    See YPFJ, why they are spending lots of money in brainwashing them day and night?

    Therefore, Saay, I am inline with Amanuel’s analysis and i perfectly agree with him in my approach.

    thank you
    tes

  • Saba

    Hi Tes, it is easier to see some similarities between two poor countries. Other than the similarities, do you have any evidence(any article or individuals that you have spoken to) that shows the source of pfdj’s ideology? Do you think that both pfdj and eplf’s ideologies came from the same source? Or do you believe that pfdj’s ideology is different from EPLF’s ideology?
    With the curiosity you and with your research skills, i think your quest will not stop on pfdj and one day you will try to swim in the “selmi” of the opposition parties in the diaspora. Get ready for that and i will give you my card:)

    • tes

      Social justice is an ideology introduced by the ruling totalitarian bandit of EPLF/PFDJ in the Eritrean state from its early time of 1970s. This ideology was not clearly expressed during the early times of the struggle as Marxist-Leninist ideology and Socialism were tools in up-grading the social consciousness of the masses and fighters. During the last years of struggle a new approach was drafted that was thought to be adopted in a pro-independent Eritrea. In reality, this was not a conscious move as it was driven by the changing political environment of the world and political diversity of the revolutionaries. In the early years of independence, EPLF appeared more of democratic front with all promising democratic institution establishments and mixed systems of economical inclination. Such promises lead to a new hope in the political situation of the horn of Africa.

      But, things came to change soon after EPLF drafted the first charter in 1994 and with the eruption of new border conflict with Ethiopia. When we closely examine the way EPLF/PFDJ runs its social, economical and security policies, there is clear observance of the social justice ideology in all spheres. In the charter adopted by the third congress of 1994, PFDJ’s vision is clearly tells Social Justice as a means to economic developments and social democracy. It states that the vision of PFDJ is to have equitable distribution of wealth, services and opportunities, and special attention to be paid to the most disadvantaged sections of society. Additionally, the Eritrean constitution ratified in 1997, in chapter 1 Article 1 (1), it is clearly stated Eritrea is a sovereign and independent State founded on the principles of democracy, social justice and the rule of law. And Article 8 (1) of the Economic and Social Development states the State shall strive to create opportunities to ensure the fulfillment of citizens’ rights to social justice and economic development and to fulfill their material and spiritual needs.

      Therefore social justice is a a clear principle that was outlined in achieving the vision of PFDJ in building Eritrea according to the various sources from the PFDJ and the Eritrean constitution. But, how far they succeeded in achieving this goal?

    • tes

      Saba habtey,

      more, you asked me “do you have any evidence(any article or individuals that you have spoken to)”

      If you gone through my article, my initiation towards PFDJ’s ideology started long time ago, as I was reading on political ideologies since mu university class(though I am an engineer in my study), the first time that I came to be familiar was in 2008, in Nakfa, the school of PfDJ cadre school. I said, “Ato Ahferom Tewelde (the school dirctor, who was member of Sagem group who joined EPLF in the 2nd congress) was the first teacher to mention and made us familiar with Social Justice as an ideology.”

      This is my first hand information, And for this I mentioned a number of refernces. I can give more recent proofs for this. Yemane gebreab, the guru of brainwashing and excuses in the pfdj has said recently that, they are very succesful in establishing a stron national identity and advanced social justice. THis is I think my first initiation for my search.

      Then, I read about social justice and still reading and crossed checked also with that of North Korea, as I said, Eritrea is considered as North Korea of Africa. Then only I found this JUCHE IDEOLOGY. This findings has almost met my requirements and forced to share with you. The rest is my reflections in connecting this ideology and its practice in eritrea.

      And, some papers try to connect Juche ideology to be similar with that of Irish political ideology though the credit goes to Kim Il Sung.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCG5qMgmBo&hd=1

      thank you

      • Saba

        Brother Tes,
        The way you have started your research is excellent but it does not convince me your conclusion. The evidence that you cite shows that there is a correlation between pfdj ideology and Nkorea but that does not mean NECESSARILY that pfdj has directly copied their ideology from N.Korea, it could be that they both copied it from a third system, like china. So do you have any evidence that shows that pfdj has copied their ideology DIRECTLY from N.korea? Any kind of evidence, articles, people who have participated in the process or people who have traveled to N.korea to study it. Sorry for pressing you here but it is part of critique:)
        Thank you

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Saleh,

    I pulled up to the top the last thread of our discussion for purposes of our readers. But do you have any reference that somehow shows or reads EPRP was discontinued in 1989. What I know from the attendee of the 3rd congress that they understood EPRP was discontinued at the congress and thus they will continue with the new one, the EPFDJ (from a private informant and an attendee of the 3rd congress).

    Second, As I am reading you, Your arguments are all based on circumstantial evidences. Not bad but not sure also. What I am reading is not a shifting of power from Issayas + few to “Issayas only” as you put.it. In fact my observation is, he is only changing the cliques (which are the + in your term). There is only change of constituency in the power circle. So PFDJ stands solid in the power grip and always Issayas at center of power and not issayas without PFDJ as you try to call it “Issayasist.” That will lead us to the issue of the role of “individuals” and the role of an “organization/party” in any political phenomenon in general and Issayas and his party in particular. Let us roll the debate.

    • saay7

      Emma:

      In a rush. Here’s* Dan Connell on what happened at the PFDJ congress:

      “At the third congress of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front in February 1994, delegates voted to transform the 95,000‐person organisation into a mass political movement, the People’s Front for Democracy and Justice (PFDJ). The congress gave the PFDJ a transitional mandate to draw the general population into the political process and to prepare the country for constitutional democracy over the next four years. Near the close of the three‐day conference, Isaias Afwerki, the country’s acting president, surprised many of those present with an announcement that a clandestine marxist political party had guided the Front for almost 20 years and that it had been disbanded in 1989, shortly before the end of the independence war. ”

      As for Isaias Plus, remember I am talking about the BALANCE of POWER. When the “plus” in “Isaias Plus”, was “Isaias + the G-15”, the balance of power was still with Isaias but not as dramatically as it is now in “Isaias + Handpicked functionaries.” For one thing, the new Plus has seen what happens when the Plus challenges Isaias. (Eira Eiro/Ella Eiro). For another, many of the handpicked functionaries don’t see Isaias as their peer (the way the G-15 did) but as their employer. As I mentioned, the new Chairman of NUEYS is not even Yikealo (like Shengeb and Ali), he is Agelglot. What do you think is his relationship with Isaias? To be continued.

      saay

      saay

      * Connell, Dan. “Inside the EPLF: the origins of the people’s party’& its role in the liberation of Eritrea.” Review of African Political Economy 28.89 (2001): 345-364.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Abu Saleh (Saay),

        I surely understood you that the “plus is the G-15 and others, no need to list. Changing the constituency of the ruling circle is not new (in fact it is by liquidating) in the EPRP circle and now PFDJ. It is a continuous phenomenon in the leadership of EPRP and now PFDJ. No difference in “forms” and “essence” at all.

        Second I will take my informant who is a member of PFDJ than Dan Connell a foreign journalist. What I saw in the 3rd congress is reconfiguration and renaming of the party in order to extend its members to the civil service of Eritrean people to forge the ” dictatorship of a party” and Issayas as a cult leader at the top of the helm. Precisely that.

        Sal, I was hoping your information was from inside informants. Now, unless you come with solid evidence that shows otherwise my informant is solid as a rock as to the evolvement of EPRP to PFDJ. The more I debate with you the more Tes’s argument “the Juche ideology” finds leg in describing the current regime. (a)militarizing the whole population (b) An intensive recruiting and enlarging the scope of membership of PFDJ in the early and mid 90s, deep in to the population (not mass political movement as Dan characterize it). Remember at one point PFDJ had 600,000 members). (c) centralizing the economy of the nation in to “state entrepreneurship”. What else we need to call “Joche ideology” more than these?

        * Just a hint when the two organization (ELF and EPLF) was talking about “Unity” in the 70s they were on the leadership level of the two Secret party namely LP and EPRP.

        • saay7

          Emma:

          Debating you is sometimes…interesting.

          When you said that your informant is as solid as a rock “as to the evolvement of EPRP to PFDJ”, what is the stuff we are arguing about, exactlly? Your source says that EPRP was dissolved at PFDJ; Dan Connell says that it was at the PFDJ that Isaias “outed” the EPRP, but then said it had been dissolved in 1989. What exactly are the native and the “foreigner” (who happens to have had more access at the highest levels of EPLF/PFDJ than the natives) disagreeing about?

          To me, more interesting than your source, Dan Connell is what Abdella Adem disclosed: that the EPRP was not as exclusive as the legend has it; that almost everybody was in it. This actually fits with Isaias Afwerki’s tactic: to make people feel privileged and important, make them feel that they belong to an exclusive club, then make this exclusive club something that everybody else can join, and you go and create another exclusive club.

          With respect to Tes, EPLF/PFDJ has been compared to N. Koreas, to Khmer Rouge, to Cuba’s, to China’s. These are all roundabouts of saying that they all graduated from Marxism-Leninism and each one tried to give its version of authoritarianism a local flavor. On “self-reliance”, one can also compare Isaiasim to Nyrere’s “Ujamaa”, Tanzanian edition of self-reliance (based on The Arusha Declaration.) The difference was Mualimu Nyrere apologized to his people for his misguided policies that ruined his country’s economy.

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,

            I think the staff we are arguing is (a) when EPRP is dissolved. Your source is 1989 my source is 1994 at the 3rd congress (in fact I asked you some reading to refer) (b) your argument is EPRP was not a secret and my argument was it was secret (c) my informant was an active PFDJ member and yours Dan (d) You argument says Amb. Abdella said EPRP wasn’t a secret and my argument is Amb. Adhanom siad EPRP was secret.(e) I said PFDJ is a continuation of EPRP with some kind of re-configuration and some shifting center of power circles. You said the power circles is not there as the power shifted all to one man “Issayasim”. I think these are the contentions of the argument.

            By the way when I stated about the talk of “unity” my intention wasn’t to show the position of the organizations, but the meeting was held by the leaderships of the secret parties….to reinforce my argument about “the secretness of the party”.

            Any way, if you say “to me is more interesting than your source, Dan Connell is what Abdella Adam disclose” then I think the debate on this issue ends there. It doesn’t look to have room to elasticize it. I enjoy it anyway.

          • hope

            Sal and Emma,
            OK.Both of you are “correct” based on your own sources.But again,what is the point?
            IA has applied every trick in the world so as to survive and we have to rush so fast before he creates another EPRP,which he did already by restructuring the government/PFDJ/Army in its entirity.

          • tes

            Haw Saay,

            In a rational calculation that I did, 37.2% of the Eritrean population is militarized (Whether active or passive) and for North Korea, 40%. Look and go deep for your own search.

            It is not for academic consumption that I am trying to put them here. It is a six years mind search. With appology, your hisotrical date debate is non-productive. I can see that you are debatng on major issues. Let the date be there (though I agree with Amanuel with the date, as it is open to the public). the current presence/existence of this party is PFDj. PFDJ holds the three powers at hand, the economic, the political and the military power. Your top figure,DIA, is one of the whole. We are not excluding him, he is part, but I don’t select him as an individual system. Whether it is DIA who made it in practice or not, according to my search, I have two conclusions.

            1. PFDJ has self-claimed Social Ideology, which is equivalent to Juche ideology of North Korea, may be when Yemane gebreab said recently, “Advanced Social Justice” he could probabily mean that of Juche.
            2. DIA is not the origional source of their ideology , they simply applied them and of course within EPLF/EPRP?PFDJ, talented and able satanic people implemented them and is under implementation.

            here we are trying to talk on the ideology, not on dates of history.

            may be you can ask, when did they came to learn about that? This is the biggest next question to be left for further research.

            With de respect
            tes

          • saay7

            Selamat Tes:

            First, where are my manners, welcome to awate as an author and commenter.

            Now then:

            1. My debate with Emma may appear like nit-picking but I am building up towards something. One of them being this: the fact that Isaias Afwerki suspended the secret (but not so secret) party in 1989 and the fact that he told the PFDJ conventioneers of the birth of the secret party 20 years earlier and of its death 5 years later tells us all we need to know about how Isaias Afwerki operates. He knows that power is derived from information and he knows when to monopolize it and when to expire it.

            2. Great that you wrote a compelling comparison between PFDJ and North Korea. Two writers–Seyoum Tesfaye and Berhan Hagos (both at asmarino) have written volumes (particularly Berhan Hagos) comparing PFDJ to Mao’s China (with special emphasis on The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.) While all the analogies are interesting, they are not helpful because they don’t help us forecast the future, do they. You know why?

            3. This takes me to Isaiasism. You see, all the Leninist and the Marxists and even the Stalinists are bound by ideology. To Lenin, the party was above all, even above the State. And because they were bound by ideology, they had ideological constraint and they were predictable: you could forecast with reasonable certainty WHAT they will do and WHY they will do it. Isaiasism has one and only one constant: how does Isaias stay in power. If it requires promising political pluralism, he will promise it. If it requires saying it won’t happen for another 40 years, he will say it. Free market economy? Of course: privatize everything. No, I changed my mind: nationalize everything. If it requires alliance (front line states) with the US (“Africa’s Renaissance”), he will; if it requires declaring virtual war against the US, he will. If it requires demobilization of soldiers, he will (remember, in 1994, Eritrea’s armed forces were about 65,000); if it requires militarization the whole nation, (350,000) he will. If it requires allying with Al-Shabab, he will; it it requires allying with Transitional Somali Government, he will. If it requires declaring war on Al-Bashir, he will; if it requires making him his BFF, he will. There was an extensive critique about this Isaiasism by the G-15 in their reform movement, and by the former ambassador to China. Isaias’s answer was, um, and who was in charge of the cabinets enforcing all these misguided rules you are now criticizing? That too is part of his Isaias+ strategy.

            Cousin Hope (i hear we are cousins?), this is not an intellectual exercise for me. This goes to the question of “what’s to be done?” To me, it is clear: what is to be done is to rid Eritrea of Isaiasism. But that is the beginning, not the end. That is Hres Harestay, nged Negaday. All that gives us is normalcy. This will leave PFDJ (less than Isaias) in power. PFDJ less than Isaias will agree to implementation of the constitution and to elections. The rules of engagement will be clear. Then all the horses can gallop in the political field. The horses (the Emma Party) can convince the Eritrean people that the PFDJ with or without Isaias is so compromised, so corrupt and so criminal that it has no business staying in office anymore. The other horse (PFDJ) will try to convince the Eritrean people that the opposition is not serious about Eritrea’ national security: they will be selling law and order. That is a normal country with normal debates.

            What the people will learn then is that, on the issues, the Emma Party is not too far from the PFDJ: it is standard left-of-center politics. With one big difference: the Emma Party will be pushing human rights; the PFDJ will be pushing national security/law-and-order.

            saay

          • haile

            Selamat Saay,

            ከመይ መህረፍ ዝኾነ ሲናርዮ ኣንታ saay?

            I totally buy your Isaiasism theory. Very hard to disagree with any part of it. My big question is that “does stable transition come at a cost?” If so, what are the costs? Have we paid those costs to deserve stable transition or we are touching wood and keeping fingers crossed? A PFDJ that is gutted out of its key personnel, no play book by way of constitution, no economy even remotely enough to swing a cat in, intense polarization bottled up for generations, you name it. Now, topple the pressure valve what would be the chances that pieces would fall into place and and those parliamentarians would be taking up their orderly seats in both sides of the house? At what cost would such reality materialize? I hear some even say to just wait till he dies and things would change for the better! We owe it to fairness to include the price tag of such scenarios, so that people can see if it is worth window shopping in such high end market place that is beyond their meager means. Can we afford a stable transition?

            Regards

          • saay7

            Haile the Gr8:

            The “at what cost” is a great question but the answer is relative when you consider one fact: the “at what cost” question has to be asked of every other scenario, right? And mine is the 2nd least risky after the ሰሉስ ሰሉስ ጸሎት ንግበር group:)

            saay

          • tes

            Saay,

            thank you for welcoming me.

            It is good that from repeated target, it is easy to re-direct your own comments and give a mirror to see.

            G-15 did good thing that they shackled the main ideology that they build. But, only did the initial step. One thing I would like to affirm you, Issaias is only one single person within the party. I am not underestimating his satanic talent, blood thirsty life, my argument, which is inline with Amanuel is, DIA is part of the whole. he did not create his own ideology and even not the PFDj. they learned it from other sources, JUCHE to my search. It was in 1972 that this Juche came into application, and at that time, Mao’s ideology was losing ground because the famine and internal reforming forces.

            G-15 and your approach is similar and it may shacle DIA. But, Saay, how can you just remove Issaias and continue with the same ideology? All of them did came with new way of thinking, they just demanded a change. Andaccording to Juche ideology, political independence, economic independence and national security are all in one. They drafted all their policies according to this line. Then what was the objective of removing one person and replacing with another Issaias? All have the same brainwashed mind. And, he knows that mind. he kicked them and he put them under their own ideological custody. I said their ideological custody, because it is their interpretation of their national security issue. PFDJ is still very proud to say that, “all know the rules within the party.” And you too are just trying to remove DIA, a similar mistake. medrek for me are categorized under this line and this is how they started during their first forum meeting. Only issaias is their enemy. No no no!

            We as Eritrean’s have bigger enemy and that is the ideology that they are working with.

            Your own named Emma party is also such mindset. I might be wrong, but, Emma is trying to show you the bigger picture and you want to remain in the comfort zone of blaming DIA. Lets see the box as a whole and outside the box too, then only we can succeed.

            I am not in doubt of the on-going activities, but there are some who are not able to cope with and fight to bring a change, sure a fundamental change.

            with thanks
            tes

          • saay7

            Selamat Tes:

            Not fair about G-15: they didn’t just demand change. They asked for SPECIFIC changes. What people forget is that the G-15 had two calls: one to the PFDJ members, and later to the people at large.

            The Achilles’s heel of the G-15 was this: when they were asked WHY they waited until 2000 to demand change they gave a litany: 1991-93, we were waiting for the referendum; 1993-1995 for the Constitutional Commission of Eritrea (CCE) to be installed; 1995-1997 for the constitution to be drafted and ratified; 1998-2000 for the border war to end. Well, said the G-1 (Groupo Numero Uno), since you were so reasonable and patient, couldn’t you have waited a few more years for the border to be demarcated? That demarcation, which was supposed to happen in 2004 but has dragged on for 10 years, has been used as the all-purpose explained for the G-1.

            Now, the power of 1. I find it interesting that people are quite willing to concede the extraordinary powers of ONE MAN (Gandhi, MLK and Mandella.) But when it comes to terrible people, they refuse to concede the point that the reverse image of them, still ONE MAN, can do a lot of a damage. They are quick to hurry and spread the blame among the party (PFDJ). In the case of Harbeyna Weyanay, some of their hard-liners used to say it goes beyond the party into the “chauvinist highlander.” Some say, it is the Eritrean culture and how it was deformed by the Italians. The Islamists of the 1980s said that it is “Crusader” mindset. The explanations are legion. But, if you go with Occam’s Razor (the theory that the simplest explanation is usually the right one), I would say 80% of Eritrea’s problems can be traced to one man and his belief system: Isaias and Isaiasism.

            How can it be the entire PFDJ when most of the PFDJ are themselves victimized by Isaiasism? They too have their family members arrested. Dear God, we have a MINISTER (Askalu Menkorious) whose husband is arrested/disappeared. They too have to watch what they say. They too live in fear of being demoted, frozed, arrested. They have no privileges to speak of: their MINISTERS live off remittances, just like the ordinary folk. There are few, very few (and Haile the gr8 knows all of them one by one:) whose life would be negatively impacted by the removal of Isaias and Isaiasism. The rest, the overwhelming majority, would breath a sigh of relief as loud as you and me.

            saay

          • Horizon

            Dear Mr. saay,

            As long as the things you described in the last paragraph are indeed the case in today’s Eritrea, and as long as Isaias and Isaiasm cannot exist outside the PFDJ (mine), this calls for a complete dismantling of the system (PFDJ) that enabled Isaias and Isaiasm, and not salvage it. The big disappointment of those who serve Isaias, Isaiasm and the PFDJ is an important reason why Eritrea would not plunge in to a civil war.

            Provided that there is no big difference between the core principles of the PFDJ and Isaiasm (after all it is DIA who created the PFDJ in his own image), political change in post-Isaias Eritrea can only be a window dressing of one sort or other, as long as the PFDJ continues to rule the land. The person that would be at the head of the new” PFDJ minus Isaias”, will be no other than a cloned Isaias, of course, free of his crimes, palatable to the people at the beginning, surely distasteful as time passes.

            What Eritrea and the region want is a new Eritrea with a new political view, free of the legacy of the political system that brought all the pains we are aware of and made her the spoiler of the region. I believe that cosmetic surgery on the face of the PFDJ is not going to help.
            (This is the viewpoint of an outsider).

          • saay7

            Selamat Horizon:

            The “if…then” statement in your argument is “provided there is no big difference between the core principles of the PFDJ and Isaiasism.” Well, there is. At some point, I am going to have to publish an article that has a venn diagram which shows the overlap between four parties: Isaiaism, PFDJ, Opposition and The People. As a bonus, I would also include a fifthy party: regional/international powers.

            Your claim that the the head of the new PFDJ “will be no other than a cloned Isaias” is a simple declaration now. Could you make it into an argument by giving support and substantiation?

            As for “the viewpoint of an outsider”, my assumption is that in the priority list for Ethiopia, Sudan, US, UN, stability always trumps all other considerations. Here’s my support for Ethiopia:

            1. When Ethiopia was feeling super powerful after its military success in 2009, it introduced a new (but short-lived, probably because the US/UN protested) requirement/precondition for settling the dispute: that sustainable peace requires the shrinking of Eritrea’s armed forces.

            2. After Forto 2013, aigaforum.com (which T.Kifle would substantiate as an unofficial mouthpiece of TPLF/EPRDF) said (asked): isn’t Ethiopia better off with Isaias? The devil you know, etc…

            3. Last year, Ethiopian PM Hailemariam Desalegn told Al Jazeera that he would be willing to fly to Asmara to jump-start peace negotiations. Our friend Eyob Medhane, who spends most of his days mourning the fate of Eritrean highlanders, was quick to discard them because Ethiopia has to pursue its national interest. He was so excited about that; almost as excited when he watched an Isaias interview where he was rambling about buying energy from GERD.

            saay

          • Horizon

            Dear Mr. saay,

            IA created the PFDJ party, shaped it and made the rules, and he is the most powerful person in the party. The new head of the PFDJ (if he ever comes) is going to be appointed by the party; lacks all the above and he is obliged to implement PFDJ party politics, that is going to remain the same. He would be cast in the shape of IA by the same situation that
            molded IA. The PFDJ has no problem with the person of the charismatic DIA (for almost all dictators are charismatic), but with crimes that burden the party (of course, if the PFDJ party accepts crimes have been committed). Although collectively committed, the crimes are going to be exonerated by sacrificing one person in order to save the party.

            The PFDJ is an existing and functioning political party, which at the present is ruling Eritrea, with political, economic and social programs. In this case, the party sets the rules and not the party appointee. It is the head of the party that is going to change, with the decisions of the party, and not the party itself.

            Therefore, if the party is going to function in the same way it has functioned so far, and the new head of the party and president is forced to follow and implement the programs of the party, he would be no different from his predecessor. Changing the person (party leader and president) without changing the nature and politics of the party, would not change the political landscape in Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            You have the right mind in identifying the role of an “individual” and the role of a “party” within any political system, as concept and as a matter of institutional functioning. You have a clear grip on it.

          • Saba

            Hi Horizon,
            If i understand you correctly, let me write an outline of your post(sorry to explain in such ways but i love math and i like to express things in that way)
            PFDJ1 is transformed to PFDJ2 by DIA
            If you remove DIA, PFDJ remains in its form as PFDJ2
            So the new leader has to transform PFDJ2 into PFDJ1 into order to function in a democratic system, if not it will remain as DIA system without DIA.
            Is that a correct outiline of your post?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saba,

            One more time: transforming a party and transforming a system is two different things. Transforming the party is the duty of its members. But transforming the system is the duty of the public at large. So what Horizon is telling you and the rest, even if you transformed the party, the system is still there. So it is only changing personality in the image of Issayas and the same ideology. The talk should be about the system that governs the people and not about the party. If you don’t understand it, I will try another round.

            Hawki,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Emma,
            The Constitution will do the job,i.e,the public by proxy.The Constitution will change the system and the Party.

          • Saba

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,
            I am not even hinting that you have your own party, i just put it as a joke. Sorry if you do not like it, i will not repeat it.
            Here is a model of cause and effect:
            A—>B–>C—->X–>Y–>Z–>A
            It is a circle, if you talk about X&Y and if i start to talk about X&Y then if you switch to and start to talk about A&B, i would feel like we are playing Catch22.
            The question is can you accept pfdj [with all its past mistakes] as a party with the rest of the VARIABLES being as you like, all your retirements will be fulfilled, a democratic system, a democratic pfdj, all you name it. Or you want to dismantle it no matter how the pfdj is democratic and no matter how the system is perfect? If your reply is how we will reach to it, then we are back to the circle.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saba,

            Two things: Mistakes and crimes are different. I will accept PFDJ with its mistake but I don’t accept PFDJ with crimes. By that I mean those individuals who incur crimes must face justice and the party will continue by those who have nothing to do with crimes. Second I didn’t say to dismantle the party PFDJ, I just said to dismantle the System. I am repeating this my third time.

          • Saba

            Great, the reason i ask you repeatedly the same topic but from a different angle is to make clear from semantic issues. I want also to discuss 1 thing at a time, if not it will be circular.
            So you clearly said that in your future pfdj can exist as a party[Now I have you in the record in case you campaign against it in the future in the Eritrea:) ]. In this point i think you do not differ from me or Saay.

            Next step:How do you want to change the system? I know this is not an easy question but you can give an idea, or the best practical scenario.

          • Horizon

            The PFDJ party removes DIA (getting rid of Isaias and Isaiasm),
            The PFDJ remains as it is (salvaging the party),
            The PFDJ replaces DIA1 with a new leader and president,
            The new leader and president ends up being a cloned DIA2, because all the parameters, i.e. the PFDJ party and its party politics that shaped DIA1 and
            the Eritrean political landscape remain the same, and
            Nothing changes in Eritrean, except that DIA2 is now the party leader and president.

          • Saba

            Horizon and Emma,
            I understood your point but i just want to clarify instead of assuming. Here is a possible scenario: Suppose Forto2.0 is successful, and the pfdj elects a new leader that will transform the party and allows the public to transform the system[allows even the Emma party to campaign:)], would that be acceptable to you?
            PS: Emma, if you want to do some brain exercise, you can define, classify with examples, the various imaginable forms of a system.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saba,

            It is all the fault of Saay any way. I don’t have any affiliation to any party or political organization. I don’t know whether you are from our generation or from the young generation. But, I am here only in this political saga to disentangle our nation and our people from the chain they are in (the PFDJ system), and to clear a way for the young generation. The disgruntled PFDJites do not have qualms with the system. They have only with the man (Issayas).

            Let me give you for example, if it wasn’t the system, Mesfun Hagos and Amb. Adhanom wouldn’t have their own party. Keep in mind they were members of the party. They would have gone to reform the party like the “Medrek people”. The party could reform its political program as a party. But the system will remain intact entangling the nation and its people. There is nothing wrong to reform their party, but they can’t reform the system without the other stakeholders. The system should be acceptable by all the stakeholders in order the nation and its people to be at peace. How about that? Did I clear some clouds from your mind?

          • saay7

            Dear Mr. Horizon:

            With all due respect, your first sentence (your premise) is wrong and, by definition, everything that follows is. IA did not create the PFDJ. He, along with many like minded people, formed it and its guiding principles. PFDJ is a continuation of EPLF. EPLF itself is an amalgamation of three People’s Forces: PLF1 (Ramadan group), PLF2 (Isaias group) and PLF3 (Obel group.) The People’s Forces were ELF dissidents. Their ideology is ELF- Minus the things they disagreed with ELF: location and organizational structure of its leadership; the absence of conflict-resolution mechanism, and it is ELF-Plus, more radical approach to radical social engineering. The fact that of the three, PLF2 ended up dominating EPLF is what Semere Andom called the lottery of Eritrean ethnic groups.

            If you want to know what PFDJ-2 (PFDJ minus Isaias) will look like, all you have to do is listen to every PFDJ member of leadership who ended up abandoning it or expressed open opposition to it: G-13, G-15, Wedi Ali, Wedi Vacarro and every single EPLF/PFDJ leader who has ever been interviewed. They were all saying Isaiaism is outside the parameters of EPLF/PFDJ.

            We need to be careful about making blanket allegations of crimes that are “collectively committed.” There is stuff we think we know with 100% certainty that ends up being 100% wrong. A little humility would go along way.

            I don’t know why people underestimate the role of individuals. To bring this to something relatable to you Horizon (and my friend T.Kifle), the TPLF was once identified as a Stalinist organization. In fact its “nation” and “nationalities” approach, which was a cause of much friction with EPLF, is straight from Stalin. Over the years, because the right guys won, it moderated itself. In Eritrea, the bad guy has won. Thus to present individuals within an organization as interchangeable is wrong. In fact, so far, neither Emma nor Horizon nor Tes has explained why that is so. There has been no argument in support of their view other than a cyclical argument of: it is because it is.

            saay

          • Hope

            You are a missing a simple point besides putting the cart before the horse.After the head is gone,the Ratifed Constitution will be implemented,hence, the “PFDJ” rules will be void and NULL.
            Unless you want the status quo,where IA will be there forever so that Ethiopia can get what she wants by keeping the”No War,No Peace Policy”,which is the official policy of the EPRDF,i.e.,they do NOT want a new leader that they do NOT want,who might change the game for good and for the BEST interest of Eritrea.Case in point,the negative reaction of the Ethiopian Gov after Forto incident-AKA,Wedi Ali’s Incident.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No, No, No…I am not conceding the point, ’cause, I don wanna… (I am closing my eyes and stomping my feet on the floor, like my son does :-))

            Ok fine. I do. But here is my explanation for it.
            1) I actually believed that it would be easier too get rid of Isayas, should there be some sort of normalization between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Eritreans would be getting a little relief to move across the border without getting shot at an get to be exposed to a relative freedom and comparative development, which would make them demand the same type of freedom and development. Why do you think, South Koreans try to engage to North Koreans and push for normalization? I am sure you don’t think, it’s because they suddenly fell in love with the Kim family.

            2)Same idea with the Isayas’ wanting to buy some power from GERD. It can be used as a bargaining chip to twist Isayas hands to implement a change. Once the people get something they never had, they will demand for more. Suddenly, the idea that Isayas is not the messiah will sprung on them. I believe that the biggest problem of Eritreans stockholm syndrome is the fear of the unknown. As the new Ethiopia is ‘the unknown’ for a sizable number of Eritreans, normalization would be a better way to introduce them with everything the outside world can offer, and entice them to plant the idea that, of their horrible leader had not stood on the way, they will have their new found little freedom and relative better life would be even better.

            That was all what was behind my idea of normalization, sir…..

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Saay,

            Please don’t say the “Emma Party”. The crazy people will take it as something true. I am only a civic and political activist and you know that very well. I am not affiliated with any political organization. Even in the ENCDC (which is not working anyway for the known reasons) I was just representing the civic sphere to argue for and represent their advocacy or the interest of the public at large. You know political organizations stand for their interest, as we know and should be.

            Saay, I think the more we debate the more we diverge. Very strange. Since we differ on the role of an individual and the role of a party as “party” in the Eritrean political scene, it also reflected our difference in the way how we envision in bringing change. In any society trapped in a chronic-dictatorship like ours they always focus to the man at the helm they don’t focus to the system the dictators built. This is also another strange. What I know and learn from reading is you attack the pillars of oppression in order to paralize the despot and to finally surround the power to the people. We shall see anyway.

          • Jo

            Selamat Amanuel,

            You and Saleh may have differing approaches in how to attain change, but I don’t think you have a difference on the end product – power to the people. I fail to see the difference between Saleh’s point, “PFDJ….will agree to implementation of the constitution and to elections.” and yours, “…you attack the pillars of oppression.…. to finally make him to surround (“surrender”) the power to the people.”. However said differently, it is to let people determine their own future. You are closer to each other, in your views, more than you think. Hence, Saleh’s last paragraph “What the people will learn then is that, on the issues, the Emma Party is not too far from the PFDJ: it is standard left-of-center politics. With one big difference: the Emma Party will be pushing human rights; the PFDJ will be pushing national security/law-and-order.”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Jo,

            Leaving aside the “Emma Party” which sal used for his conveneince and hasn’t any iota of truth, We have a fundamental difference (I don’t know an individual of your caliber how he could miss it.)

            (a) Sal calls for a reformed PFDJ to rule (at least in principle not right) and me I don’t believe on giving free ride, rather PFDJ to compete on level field when we settle with the constitution.

            (b) Sal calls for the implementation of the 1997 constitutional document and me we can’t start with that document as is, because I have already characterize it as “the fertile womb of authoritarian regime for generations”. Rather I call for revision before it is implemented (not amendment process after it is in-acted). That document has fundamental flaws in its institutional structure and governing philosophy (it doesn’t address the grievances of our society, language issue, and property issue).

            Jo, let me tell clearly my position. I am always cautious to avoid errors that gives fodders of generational critics. I am not worried about a timely critics that comes on when we are debating on unsettled issue, because it fades away when the truth prevails. If I make a mistake on constitutional issues that will be promulgated into action, i will be the ball of critics for the coming generation and the generation after them. I will not allow myself to that. The existing constitutional document we have is a disaster for our young generations and coexistence of our social groups.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Let’s see what this Sal guy has said and let’s see what your alternative is:

            (a) I don’t call for a reformed PFDJ to rule. I don’t want any person, any party to rule. I want the people to rule, and I want a person a party to govern, under the rule of law. We are talking of this simple thing: we want to transition from (1) an Eritrea presided over by Isaias to (2) Eritrea that is presided over by a duly elected person. What should happen during this transition period? I believe the least risky way to do it is to have the PFDJ-Isaias to be care-taker government. What is your proposal and how does it differ from what was tried in post-Saddam Iraq and post-Kaddafi Libya?

            (b) I call for the implementation of the 1997 constitution because whatever constitution we come up with after a lengthy inclusive process ( a lengthy process where there will be no supreme law of the land) will not be all that different from a 1997 Constitution with amendments. More than the constitution, during the transition period, the most important two laws are going to be (1) draft law on political parties and (2) electoral law. That’s where civil societies and political parties can haggle with PFDJ. Those two laws can bring them to power and give them the ability to, among other things, bring motions to amend the 1997 constitution to their liking.

            saay

            saay

          • saay7

            Oh, Emma, I almost forgot:

            Remember our discussion on when the EPRP (the EPLF’s “secret party”) was dissolved? And how “exclusive” it was? Here’s our interview with Abdella Adem

            Awate.com: Wait, wait…when you say “ordinary member” of the party, what party are you talking about?

            Abdella Adem: This is the Revolutionary Labor Party [secret party within the EPLF]

            Awate.com: Does this party still exist?

            Abdella Adem: It had been dismantled in 1990. They said they reached a stage where they couldn’t differentiate the members of the RLP or EPLF, so they stopped it then. The party was formed by a secret proclamation and it was killed by a secret proclamation. It was brought back for this meeting and it “died” after the meeting.

            http://web.archive.org/web/20040401183938/http://www.awate.com/artman/publish/article_2973.shtml

            So Dan Connell says it was killed in 1989; Abdella Adem says it was killed in 1990 and your source says it was killed in 1994. I think either your source is wrong or you heard it wrong: it was announced in 1994, but that is not when it happened. And, as Abdella Adem says, they had gotten to the point where they couldn’t tell who was in and who was out of the secret party. Doesn’t sound that secretive and exclusive to me. Does it to you?

            You are welcome:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            A constitution is political document before it becomes a legal document. If you agree on that, If the so called constitutional process excludes the existing political organizations how do you try to account as inclusive process? Even if we disregard the nature of the exclusiveness of the process, do you think to elect a president from an assembly is a healthy structural process? Can you imagine how this constitution will divide the society not by its process only, but also by how it is designed? Or even let us say by hook or crook is forced to be implemented, and because you infer about its amendment, how easy constitutional amendment could be, assuming constitutional amendment couldn’t pass by simple majority ( most of the time 67-75% depending various reasons)? The reason I want to put it into questions for you rather than repeat myself as to what my position is, simply I want to leave it for history to recall when the consequences became vivid. EZI wedehanka.

            As to the comment below, regarding Abdella Adem, I din’t argue he didn’t said it. What I said is Abdella Adem says one thing and Adhanom says another thing. But ask every EPLP “Neber” they will tell it was a secret and wasn’t open to every body. I think even to those who knew about it indirectly (like wdi Temeno) have said in his interview that it wasn’t open to everybody.

            hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ali-S

            Saay,
            Excuse the intrusion but a little clarification is needed but be serious plz (:-). I see your argument may be modified as the claim that:
            Isaias + PFDJ = Disaster
            and
            Emma Party + PFDJ = Normal.
            Rearranging the equations:
            Normal – Emma Party = PFDJ
            Disaster – Isaias = PFDJ
            Replacing:
            Normal – Emma Party = Disaster – Isaias
            Normal – Disaster = Emma Party – Isaias
            This can be interpreted as saying: for Eritrea to be Normal and absent of all disasters, Emma Party must eliminate Isaias.
            Hence, at its core your “reform PFDJ” call is a regime change agenda in grade 3 math.

          • saay7

            Ali-S:

            If you want to see the fatal flaw in your argument (syllogism), consider the following:

            1. Disaster-Isaias = PFDJ
            2. Act of God – Isaias = PFDJ
            3. Therefore, using Ali Salim’s patented formula (Isteqfurullah): Act of God is a disaster.

            Back to Grade 2 math for you. Because our folks have another math formula:

            ነዚ+ ክትግዕታ+ ክንድዚ+ ትርህጻ = ነዚ ክትግዕታ ክንድዚ ትርህጻ!

            much love
            saay

          • Ali-S

            SAAY,
            Using our folks G2 math again. On a serious note, I think there are three problems with your argument. I completely agree that your proposal is the shortest line to normal Eritrea, where discord of serious nature is not necessarily eliminated but some conflict management system would be able to handle the situation from escalation in the process of searching for solutions (is that close enough definition of “normal”?).
            (1) Assume the premise that we should eliminate Isaias is the claim that he is “Nsu” – an almighty individual who controls everything in Eritrea. Wouldn’t it make more sense to conclude that eliminating the PFDJ is actually much easier than eliminating Isaias?
            (2) I also assume that to make things easy, we should start by eliminating the easier targets and save the more difficult ones for when we pick-up some weight. Which of the two would you think more relevant for initiating a change in Eritrea: the President or the PFDJ?
            (3) Which one do you think is safer transit: sudden removal of the PFDJ or sudden quit of the President?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Younis,

            Why would you want to eliminate a party? What we need to do is to change the system and the rule of game. A party could be dissolved by its natural process, when its influence and its members deplete within the rule of game and rule of law. Focus to the system and its apparatus.

          • Ali-S

            Emma,
            Sorry Emma, bad word – “eliminate” was actually eliminated from our dictionary. I meant irrelevant to current power structure or eliminate as in irrelevant.

          • saay7

            Ali-S:

            Your definition of “normal” is close enough. I would emphasize, so that people can have realistic expectations, that “normal” is also by “the standards of African politics.”

            1. The “eliminate PFDJ to eliminate Isaias” was tried by Weyane, the US, and the UN. It doesn’t work because of (a) rally-around-the-flag effect and (2) the PFDJ is a group that is made up of the innocent (70%), the mischievous (20%), the criminals (10%). These are my estimates; I would ask people with information advantage (like Haile the gr8) to validate them. It is unethical to crimininalize people by association and they should not be a target simply because they are doing now exactly what the people are doing: very little to bring about change.

            2. The way I see Eritrea, there is Isaiasism and there is the rest of Eritrea, including the PFDJ. When I say “we” need to rid Eritrea of Isaiasism, I expect the PFDJ to be in the front-line of that for a number of reasons including practicality and including the fact that of all Eritrean social forces it was the one that was most betrayed by Isaiasism.

            3. A distinction between Isaias and Isaiasism: I want the removal of Isaiasism (the world-view). If he wakes up tomorrow morning and abandons Isaiasism, well and good. If not, Isaias abandons Isaiasism when (and only when) his hold on power is threatened (exhibit A: midnight fact to the UN saying I accept the terms of the agreement, after the fall of Badme in 1999; Exhibit B: daylight fax to the UN saying I accept the terms of the agreement after the fall of Zalambesa in 2000; Exhibit C: telling the Central Committee in 2000 that the request of the G-15 is timely; Exhibit 4: telling protesting tegadelti at Asmara stadium that he will resign if they want him to…) A people power movement, spearheaded by the PFDJ (again for many reasons, chief among them being its practicality) can bring about that result. Once he is no longer president, it is up to a justice system instituted freely by a free people to decide what to do with him.

            saay

          • Ali-S

            SAAY,
            I agree with you on #1 (Emma is also on the page on this). The little difference is this:
            (1) The PFDJ is legitimate (or not illegitimate) and has the right to exist as per your argument but the claim of Isaiasism as world view upon which the PFDJ is based (as per same argument) is illegitimate. Hence PFDJ is in limbo until the fate of its world view is decided upon.
            (2) Here we agree with you but unless you define the PFDJ in terms of the world view, your definition would apply to any random group of individuals. What makes this group PFDJ and a similar group in Idaga lakha a group of random people. My point is that you cannot give PFDJ legitimacy without also giving their world view the same. There is some inconsistency that you have to resolve.
            In the Third Way we give both PFDJ and world view, legitimacy and give ourselves the same and try to build an alternative world view.
            On your #2 & #3, you seem to be speaking of two separate things: the world view of the PFDJ and the policy miscalculations or blunders of Isaias and/or PFDJ. Here we say they are both the same thing. The miscalculations and blunders are the world-view. But since every group of Eritreans have the right to promote any world-view as long as it is motivated by the spirit of making things better, the solution should come by proposing an alternative world view.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Younis,
            The problem is not its world view as a party. It built a System and a constitutional document that reflect its own view (the party). It is here where Saay failed to identify the problem. If the the constitutional process doesn’t include the stakeholders you can’t produce a document that is acceptable and defendable by all stakeholders and by extension by the Eritrean people. Remember the constitution must be a “political covenant” that binds all of us and honored and defended by all of us. The 1997 document could only serve for a single party. Why? Here is an example on the provision how to elect a president.

            Take for instance and assume the constitution allows “multiparty.” The assembly seats will be filled from the winners of the contestants of the multiparty members. Now the president as envisioned in the constitution will be elected from the assembly by vote with the % required by the constitution. Assume again (and off course it will be) that members of the assembly are from different parties. Do you see a scenario that each party will nominate and vote for their own members? Absolutely in my view. Very difficult to elect a president with the required % from the assembly. But if the assembly members are from one party very easy to get the required % to elected the president. Sal can not be blind to see that. That is where the flaw started. Just one of the flaws. The constitution should specify either parliamentary or presidential and hence the leader should be either a prime-minister if it is parliamentary and the the president if it is presidential. The president from the popular vote or the prime-minister from the parliament which has the majority seats. I could only surmise any one who is for the 1997 document support PFDJ exclusive ideology.

          • Ali-S

            Emma,

            I am glad I am with you on this. I think even apart from the legitimacy of the process of constitution making, the document has bad ideas on too many important things to be of use.

            I am in fact glad that it has not been implemented so far because now through the years we have seen so many things that went wrong that I am sure even Dr. Berekhet (and all including myself) would never have thought they would go wrong. With the constitution implemented we would probably have been in a much worse situation (“probably” is the keyword).

            This is to say after all the experience in its absence we stand a better chance to work out a new constitution that has a much better chance to fit Eritrea’s needs. My biggest fear is that, the PFDJ does not rush out and start implementing its under less than perfect conditions of pressure.

            It is my conviction that the PFDJ and President actually acted against their own interest by not implementing it. They would at least have used it as the excuse (in addition to the war and global conspiracies) for all the troubles with all ethno-regional issues including land and language policies, the national service debacles, the indeterminacy of who elects who and who removes who and many more issues. It has the legally justifiable excuses ready made.

            Where we are not communicating Emma is the fact that you tend to speak in a very far future as if change has already happened and seem to skip the whole debate of how to go from this point to that point.

            You and SAAY are together on the fact that what you described and what he described fall under “normal” for Eritrea at least restarting from where most African countries would start. Where both of you seem to be missing the logic is the failure to see that the “normal” for Eritrea can happen next week at least from our side. The only difference between our politics and “normal” politics in other countries is that we have a regime change agenda and they don’t.

            Of course you will say they have governments that do recognize opposition and we don’t. You make perfect sense. That is why the opposition gets stuck in the chicken & egg dilemma. Should the government first recognize the opposition or should the opposition first recognize the government. What if the government decides to never recognize the opposition?

            How about trying a breakthrough by taking the initiative to recognize the Eritrean government as legitimate and all its challenges as credible and all its policies and actions as the area of open examination? We are not allowed to do the last but our success in examining the actual actions and policies in a way that reassures the public that our intentions are to add value and make Eritrea better will create the needed pressure that the PFDJ would not be able to resist.

            Where the opposition is being tramped is in its failure to claim legitimacy in public eyes. I know all Eritreans are unhappy and that denies legitimacy from the PFDJ but does not in any way transfer that legitimacy to the existing opposition. They have not proven to be trustworthy as you know. Opposition here is not referring to unhappy people, but to an initiative to propose a structure and substance as al alternative.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Your last sentence is not based on facts and you know that; you are doing that “ane Khorye alekhu” that substitutes for argument in Eritrean political discourse. You know it is not based on facts because you know that I don’t support PFDJ exclusive ideology but I support using the 1997 constitution as a bridge until electoral law, party formation law is drafted (by a wide spectrum of Eritrean parties and civil society), elections conducted.

            Life is about making choices even when one makes the choice not to do anything, it is a choice. We do not have the luxury of evaluating the 1997 constitution in vacuum; we have to compare it with whatever is going to be drafted when it is rejected, how long it is going to take to draft its replacement, and the vacuum that will be there in its absence and who will exploit the vacuum.

            There is a reason why constitutions are considered organic documents: every single article in the constitution can be changed. You just have to pass the hurdle of persuading the Eritrean people why it should be changed.

            I don’t support the let’s-start-from-scratch approach for many reasons: inefficiency, uniformity of constitutions on overwhelming percentage of content anyway, the great disregard it would show to people who have a sense of ownership over the 97 constitution. But mostly it is for reasons that Serray stated (where is he by the way)?

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Just one correction for clarity purposes. I haven’t argued for “let’s start-from-scratch.” What my argument was “let the document be revised” before it is implemented. Sal you know more than any body the difference between the two. The later one recognize the effort of the owner’s of the document, but demand to correct the flaw of the document before it is implemented as the process of amendment is rough and difficult to have the required % vote. The former just from scratch with new commission. At least I correct my position and I think the rest is your view and ok with it.

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            In constitution speak, “revise” means amend. If that is your position, why wouldn’t you say “I accept the 1997 constitution but I consider amending it of utmost urgency to make it workable.” That would make things clear. That would say that you are accepting the legitimacy of the 1997 constitution. This, as you know, is very different from those who don’t accept it because the drafting process is, to them, so exclusive it renders it illegitimate.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Oh man, once more my freind. I don’t believe on the legitimacy of the constitution because of it’s process (excluded the stakeholders), But more than that it is tailored to fit for single party (check my argument the issue of the hybrid structure). I think I made my argument in my articles about that. What I am trying now is to make an effort a kind of compromise between the two argument. And that compromise to correct all its flaws such the issue of language, issue of property, and the abnormality of the institutional structure that marginalize our social groups (by way of changing the form of governance from CUG to DUG before it is implemented. Here is where the “revise” word was applied in my argument. We talk about amendment if the constitution is already implemented and on working process. In both cases you “revise to amend” it. But my call is to “revise” before it is implemented to satisfy both the marginalized and the owners of the document. I don’t think it will be long process if we know where the fault is. So strongly no, I don’t accept the document and I don’t believe its legitimacy if it was designed to marginalize (politically, socially, and economically). I am trying to make an effort to bring both sides half way to the middle to make the document defendable by all of us. How about Now?

            hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            I am sorry if I misread you but based on your articles and comments so far, I really thought you were of the opinion that for the reasons you gave in your first sentence above, you were for “let’s scrap it and start from scratch.” I still maintain that if a constitution is RATIFIED, notwithstanding whether it is implemented or not, (and the 1997 constitution was ratified by a constituent assembly and by a national assembly*), then changes you make to it are not revisions but amendments. This is not quibbling or nitpicking but consequential and here’s why:

            All the areas you (and in every single case you mentioned and many more I) consider fundamental flaws in the constitution are areas that many of our compatriots do not think are flaws at all but reflection of a value system. (You can take the issue of languages as an example.) So, what I am suggesting is, in the spirit of negotiation and compromise, we should treat these issues as fundmental and legitimate areas of difference that have to be haggled over. This is why I believe the electoral law and law on political parties is crucial. With that finalized, a hypothetical party, can articulate its values explicitly (I would begin by demanding that the Constitutional Commission of Eritrea’s internal documents and deliberations and meeting with the people be made public) to support its case and, if it wins, it can say it has been given the mandate to amend the constitution.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            I will comment on one and ask you one question for clarification.

            You use a very interesting phrase “value system”. it was precisely was my argument. The constitution was drafted and tailored based on the ” value system” of EPLF organization and hence the objection of the stakeholders . I want the value system that reflect to the Eritrean society. On this issue we are at the opposite ends. I will leave to the conscious Eritrean people to reject the PFDJ value system as it doesn’t represent the Eritrean people as whole. So your argument is you do not see any flaws because it is a value system of the owners.

            Question: Are you suggesting, the “constitutional commission” to have a mandate from the public to amend the constitution? I am not clear exactly what you mean on your last three lines of the last paragraph..

            AHT

          • saay7

            Ahlen Emma:

            Let me begin by answering your question. By “constitutional commission” I am referring to the “Constitutional Commission of Eritrea” (CCE), the body that was chaired by Dr. Bereket. Over a two year period, the CCE deliberated among itself and conducted “seminars” with the public. The detailed records, or even a summary, like the one the Referendum Commission of Eritrea (RCE) have not been published (to my knowledge.) What I am saying, Emma, is that making this public would show precisely what the concerns of the people were, whether their concerns were legitimately addressed. And this would be a basis for a future party to make arguments (strong ones, I believe) for amending the constitution.

            Yes, the constitution reflected the value system of the EPLF/PFDJ. This is conceded to by Dr. Bereket Habteselasse in an article he wrote for the Journal of Democracy in 1998. He says that the “Constitutional Commission used this Charter [PFDJ’s National Charter] as a benchmark of consensus and hence a point of departure for national debate on the constitution.”

            Remember, this was during what many Eritreans consider the “honeymoon period” (1994-1997.) It is the responsibility of an opposition party to show that the period was not really a honeymoon and the constitution reflects the value system of the PFDJ and it should be rejected.

            I guess what I am saying, Emma, is that any future pressing of the reset button should be done after (and only after) we get a buy in from the Eritrean people.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saleh (Saay)

            You are a damn good on references, someone to rely on for a document. The good Doctor said that the “Constitutional Commission used this Charter [PFDJ’s National Charter] as a benchmark of consensus and hence a point of departure for national debate on the constitution.” Any link where I could go for it. This is very interesting info which will be a tool for my argument. Aha… the value system that is based in their charter. I completely agree that ” the future reset button will be after we get a buy in from the Eritrean people.” Thank you for the info.

            Selam Jo,

            My concern is Amendment does not require simple majority. Constitutional amendment require super-majority ( 67-75%) depending on the nature of the provision. That is why I am trying to find a middle ground to reconcile the stakeholders “value system” by making some revision on the document before it is implemented. A constitutional draft shouldn’t be based on the value system of a party. It should be based on the value system of the Eritrean people. I hope you get my point.

            with respect,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            I have (somewhere) a pdf print out of the Journal and if/when I find it, I will email it to you. For now, you can read the abstract with the relevant quote here (the rest is behind the paywall of the Journal):

            https://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/journal_of_democracy/v009/9.2selassie.html

            happy trails!

            saay

          • Jo

            Selamat Amanuel and Saleh,

            Your exchange on the constitution issue is very interesting.

            Amanuel, if the revision/amendment you think should be done, is a concern of the majority why do you think that it is not going to get the % needed either to revise it or amend it? I am just curious, could you expand on that one?

            Thanx!!

          • saay7

            Selamat Ali-S

            (1) I am not claiming that “Isaiasism [is] a world view upon which the PFDJ is based.” I am claiming that Isaiasism overthrew by conducting a successful coup (by no means bloodless), of the world view upon which PFDJ is based.

            (2) PFDJ’s worldview is quite clear: it is expounded on, at great length, in its National Charter. That’s what makes it different from the “small group in Idaga lakha.” I don’t know of a case (do you?) where a former PFDJ official has disowned the Charter or the processes that came from that Charter: constituent assembly, constitution, National Service, land reform, etc. What they have criticized is Isaiasism: destroying institutions to empower individuals; instituting a shadow government of people with no known portfolio, rush to war, foolish economic policies, imprudent foreign policy, etc. Both Isaias and PFDJ’s legitimacy is revolutionary legitimacy (much as the ELF-based opposition groups legitimacy really was revolutionary legitimacy for much of their existence): the difference is that Isaiasism wants to continue revolutionary legitimacy indefinitely; the PFDJ and the opposition want constitutionalism, rule of law, democracy.

            (3) To the extent that policy blunders of Isaiasism are shared with PFDJ, there is a critical difference: the PFDJ wants to correct the blunders; Isaisism wants to double down on them nkhid tray style.

            At some point, we are going to have to define “PFDJ.” It is a group that includes enthusiastic members (who believe in its programs), involuntary members (who were told they were members because their ration card is issued by PFDJ), and those who are members of PFDJ automatically because they used to be members of EPLF. I may have told this story before but many of the military officers in the EDF refer to the PFDJ in the third-person: “enda hgdef akheba tsewiA ala.” To many people, the military officers are “PFDJ.”

            If you are having difficulty wrapping your mind around this, just think of it this way: Isaias conducted a coup, overthrew the PFDJ and is now running the show (without a constitution, without a coherent political program, without restraints) and his only objective is to be president for life. Those who support that unconditionally are Isaiasists. There are just as many PFDJ members as there are non-members who support Isaiasism: very few. The next question is: if that is the case, why doesn’t the PFDJ do something about it? For the same reason that the non-PFDJ don’t (and that means you and me): not willing to do what it takes.

            But of all the social forces that can do something about it, it is the PFDJ for reasons I stated earlier.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,

            Just I miss one. Did you see how nit-picking you have played in the words of “rule and govern.” That is where politics become dirty. Not that I don’t know between the difference of the two but I was careless about my words. I will be cautious now.

          • Pappillon

            Hey Sal,

            I share your take and optimism. What makes your argument ጽፉፍ is the fact that it doesn’t dwell on the Weyane-factor and the vagaries of civil war excessively or obsessively. ኣፍካ ይስዓር ዝሓወይ.

          • tes

            Saay,

            I may come up with detailed response of your listed points. But for now I will respond for number 3. let me respond for One thing though I will make clear, in Juche Ideology, national security is at its main center, not the party. ANd under this, economic independence are designed and political lines also.

            having national security as center the main reason to build military.

            to be nationaly secure, you must have an isolated economy and commanded economy which depends on Self-reliance.

            to be secure nationally, you must have political independence.

            Then, how you work with them?

            1. Build national safeguarding military, All people must protect the mother land. (Eta halal meriet concept, eta merietey)
            2. the country should be secured in food. And external aid is an enemy as it puts the national security issue, the NGO’s must be kicked away.
            3. Political independence must be one ruling party centered, where the party directs all the state. No need for multi-party system, as multi-party system might work with diversed ideologies, etc.

            I could right more deeper and deeper. But i leave it for you!

          • Hope

            Can you tell me the % between 1993 and early 1998 and as to why now it is 37.2%.
            By Logic 101,this a fallacious Logic.
            Plus and again,what is th epoint now and here?We know what you know by common sense without digging into researches.
            The PFDJ failed us after the 1994 Congress and we proved that—so why do we need further proofs?
            What we need is ACTION.

          • tes

            hello Hope,

            in 1993, there was 100% volunteer soldiers.

            but now, 37.2% reqruited slaves by the name of National Security. Does it make sence? ANd another, if you know by common sense, sorry to say, it is also possible to predict possible politics to be discussed in this awate and other related. Why you are here if common sense is powerful enough to read what is going on around?

            A bit defensive, but curiosity based question.

          • hope

            You did not answer the question.Defensiveness is the worst sign of lack of self-confidense.
            But to answer for you:
            The % was below 5%–50,000/5,000,000.The reason it is 37 % now is because of the real threat,not just perceived one.
            It just does not make any sense.You are debating with Eritreans, not only who know the details of the home situations, but with brain like yours.

        • tes

          Just a supporting photo

          • haile

            hey Tes, and here is a memorabilia from hopeful times (Dr Fred Hallows was a successful pioneer of an Australian eye surgery NGO. He passed away a while back but the foundation he set up has operations in many parts of the third world (a medium sized center in Eritrea and relatively bigger one in Ethiopia and many many other places too). From Left; Dr Assefaw (active opposition), Dr Hallows (passed away), Dr Desbele (Eye Surgeon in Eritrea), Dr Nerayo (Not sure what he is upto – once heard that he is in Malawi working for UNDP (not sure though))

          • Hope

            Please advise Dr Nerayo to lose the fat in the belly.It is a major risk factor for Heart Attack,Sleep Apnea,Diabetes,High Blood Pressure,Stroke—over all called “Metabolic Syndrome”

          • haile

            haha…the picture of that belly was taken some 22 or so years ago. He was active with it at the turn of the century as the WHO rep for Malawi and hopefully doing OK now too.

          • shabo

            I thought Dr Desbele sought asylum in Australia?

          • haile

            Not sure…saw him personally in Asmara in 2011.

          • SM

            Just left about a yr ago to Australia for a medical reason but decided to stay there for good leaving behind his kids and his wife ,he only Ophthalmologist in Eritrea.

          • haile

            So, basically none of them is serving Eritrea (except Fred’s NGO)! sElaHta T’FEat yblwo kemzi, chegwar kelbi alo enabelwo mote eyu negeru…

          • SM

            Yep.
            That is why I agree with you mostly.

          • Pappillon

            Preaching to the choir?

      • Hope

        But guys,what is the point here debating on EPLF ideology,PFDJ ideology–bla,bla…
        We have already reached to/on a VERDICT that, be that or this,PFDJ failed its promise after 1994 Congress.
        The debate should be:
        -What shoul be done to reclaim what belongs to us and how to catch up with the lost opportunity.
        Ok,you searhced over and over and you succeeded in figuring out the EPLF/PFDJ ideaology–then what?Dihri mai nab Be’ati?
        Is this academics?Tes can do researches and do his thesis for this MA or PH D.
        We do not need that crap here.Shinkolol—shinkolol—for nothing.
        Let us review Khokob Selam’s summary and reflect on it and seek for an URGENT solution,before it is too late,which is too late already.

        • tes

          Hope,

          habtna saba said me that Hata-hata koynu eko. But not actually.

          Why we are discussing here? This is a wise question and I am meant for it, it is very timely to discuss on the PFDJ ideology as the opposition groups are coming to be stronger and stronger and at the same time everyone is blaming them for not having any clear political line.

          Then, if we succeed to get PFDJ’s mind set, it is easy to destroy them, SIMPLE.

          If we get their mind-set, the way they work, their master guide, the ideology, then, easy. Destroy it! You may encouter me with another question that says, if they have around 2 million potential and active military force, then it is hard to destroy them. Oh come-on Hope, we need to remember our 30 years war. The freedom fighters and especially the EPLF succeeded in formulating a strong ideology, higher the the communist or socialist ideology that helped them to succeeded over the others. Don’t forget for people who can apply this ideology. And like Issaias, the blood thirsty people are perfect for this.

          You may challenge me, what is then after? do we need another stronger ideology?

          No, no no!

          We need rule of Law! simple and this is what we are fighting for. And how to install RUle of Law? I will let this critical question though we are advancing towards it. One thing that I am sure about, Eritrean people are wise enough to work under rule of law, not under ideological principle as PFDJ failed to do so.

  • Haile Zeru

    That is great Kokeb Selam. Your answer is so perfect that I do not like to add anything to it.
    Thank you very much.
    To Hope
    This is my answer too. I hope KS does not mind for borrowing his work. Well, let me say I am just joining, applauding KS logic.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Haile Zeru, in fact this is what the mass is saying (I am not creating it is just the reality). But PFDJ as usual is playing the old style of blaming others to exploit the national heroism to her advantage. the truth is that PFDJ is the first problem and others are busy with their own countries job.

  • Hope

    Edited-
    The AT,please be so kind to delete the previous one to avoid duplication.Sorry,I have to develop the habit of reviewing my comments before I hit the Submit button.
    Good Sunday Kokhob Selam,
    I hope you misunderstood me on this, otherwise this issue will be the ONLY one we might disagree.
    I was on the same position/boat and have had the same stand like yours,that of Johar,and even that of my BFF,Hailat,Emma—etc.
    But let’s think twice and reflect on this issue and be realistic taking into consideration all factors,situations,etc.
    In my opinon and based on the debate ,we have only two options:
    1)”Weed out completely the PFDJ by any means possible” for a Fundamental Change.This “may be” an”Ideal and Perfect Solution”-for some people,albeit,theoretically.
    -But I need some clarification as to how ,when and under what conditions,to do this,considering the critical issue of the time and scary scenario where are in
    -What will be the collateral damages/the unkown and the uncertain things that might follow?
    -What are the precoditions to be set up and to be met to do this?
    -Do we have a Basic Foundation for this?
    -Why have not we succeeded thus far by using this approach,where we used “Any means possible,including an outside support”?It has already failed,so what guarantee do we have after 15 yrs of failures?
    -History is always a witness,i.e.,refer to the Middle east, African and other Third World experiences regarding the outcomes of the violent or related approaches with their negative outcomes and consequences if we have to apply the “Weed out” approach.I am talking about the realistic and practical devastating outcomes on those Nations
    2)Genuine National Reconciliation:
    a)Cons:
    -Similar concerns and questions can be asked but mostly with a positive outcome
    b)Pros: Though Theoretical and “Impractical” due to the stand of the Ruling party,this approach has lots of positive outcomes—
    History of Positive experience:
    -Refer to the cases of Ethiopia,S Africa,Latin America and pother Nations who succeded with National Reconciliation,where they have even worse case scenarios compared to ours.
    -The only reason the Ruling Party is stubborn and unflexible is due to the weakness of the other Party,i.e., being not able to organize a United Peoples’ Front,which can challenge the Ruling Party,specially knowing that the silent majority is READY for change.
    Based on this brief arguement,”Genuine National Reconciliation” is the BEST option considering the complicated socio-political-cultural aspects of Eritrea and her people.
    The simple approach is to mobilize the people in an organized manner with good leadership in an Eritrean Way,by Eritreans without any external interference.
    We have not even attempted this noble cause other than being Experts on “Cyber Politics and Cyber Opposition”,to use Saba’s words in theire true sense and meaning.
    To be blunt,we cannot even get along with each other besides belittling and cursing each other.What a nonsense crap!
    If we try this non-violent and noble approach,NOT only we will succeed for a National Reconciliation, but also in “Weeding OUT” the Ruling Party,which is not interested in National Reconcilaition for obvious reasons.Or at least the Ruling Party will agree to sit down for a National Reconciliation,if not,it will Surrender to the people.
    Those peole who do NOT believe in Genuine National Reconciliation are one of or all these:
    -Defeatists
    -Desparados
    -Hate Mongers
    -Enemy agents,as our enemies do NOT want us to reconcile and unite
    -Pseudo-Eritreans
    -Neo-Unionists-etc..

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hope this is what I believe.

      01. Problems are always first within and solutions are always within first, while without has its 2nd position. Go back to our history, and you will find this truth right in the first page before even turning the 2nd page. At times we used to propagate that the external enemies has divided us, and even still say things like “e were colonialzed by Ethiopians because Americans British etc. and others were supporting unity with Ethiopia. This may have given us achance to let our people be in one line especially those who were not aware of the truth. External enemy will never let you down unless you have internal space that
      allows so. It might be painful but the truth is we Eritreans have committed mistakes only to pay dearest price. I want you to examine it before you go further. You must first listen to your body to fight any sickness; you should fight germs by
      preparing your body to fight them.

      02. The aim of our national struggle was (we are suppose to get it on time like Libyans Somalia’s etc.) to own our own democratic system (it doesn’t matter who lead as leader , suppose to be an employ-and in fact to serve as slave for limited time
      and go out office when needed). Otherwise what is the use of getting a nation?

      03. The reality in both countries is like this—A. Ethiopia with it’s 90m people is challenging her problems and is advancing to
      some level (of course going to fast a head comparing with our nation.) the reason is that they notice becoming busy with Eritrea in war is not for their advantage, and red sea can be used in civilized manner when Eritrea will have awaken leadership. Means, they have understood that working in their internal affairs is their first work unlike Mengsutu and Haileslase who were fighting and losing all the way. B. Ethiopian opposition I will not say much as I don’t have the complete picture. But one thing is clear to me and that is there are some chauvinists who are suffering from their narrow tendencies. That seems history already and I believe they should work side by side with their government. I notice some movements who are for better future but not as party
      well organized. And that type of opposition is good. Now let’s come to our case as that is important for us.

      A.PFDJ “government” (it is not government for me) is a group of confused people who don’t have enough knowledge of leading. But worst of all their
      back history is full of blood to extent they couldn’t think of peace at all. Leaving the back ground aside, they keep in cheating, and playing nonsense old tricks like self reliance (which is not Ideology) and no peace no war (just ask why Ethiopia is developing if that is true) the truth is PFDJ is in no peace situation within herself and with our people so that is nonsense reasons. They have no system, no rule of law, charter whatever you call it. So no accountability, no transparency
      …they kill you if they have any doubt or any sign one day you will oppose them. I don’t have to say much as everything is clear in front of you. Thousands are dying and thousands are cornered somewhere stacked and thousands are poisoned. Even
      they themselves ( PFDJ) are in danger, not only from opposition but within themselves, they are living theorized, they never had good sleep and sometime they are eating their own bone out of doubt. PFDJ has failed to lead the county totally and
      Eritrea itself if in danger.

      B. opposition, who is opposition, we should ask. Today opposition is the entire country except few confused or those PFDJ
      themselves. But as there are colors between black and white there are colors of opposition depending or according to their level of knowledge and experience. Some are very much advanced to the level of “wisdom” that they work above the logic and care more about peace ready to forgive everybody. Yet, it just impossible to solve the problem with Satan. Stan has to challenged and removed if you want to forgive DIA and his group it ok after taking our Eritrea from their jaw. and some are in trouble with revenge while some are from the same root of PFDJ lost in the middle of the way. This is the wider important subject we should discuss about. If you love the above I will continue to put on how to deal with our case more deeply. Because I don’t blame the Satan-the devil for his crime, I blame the people who should face him. We can talk about their weakness means our weakness. Ready? Fasten your belt. please be very realistic if you are willing to continue discussing in doing so you will not there is no escape at all in paying what should be paid.

      • Hope

        Thank you and could not agree more as these are the issues we have been repeating back and forth but you just summarized it in plain words and in a nut shell.
        I do not believe that the issue among ourselves debating here ,has to do about knowing the sins and atrocities of the PFDJ Junta(very few).
        B TW,the FACTS you listed have affected me directly and my family members within the system and I listed them before in this forum.without going in details. The major issue is our strategy and approach as to how to get out of the mess and you are short of addressing it,albeit,purposely and understandably.
        But there is NO way to shy away from saying and doing the ritght and proper things to get out from this mess.
        Well,I understand that we have been saying this and that and there is nothing to add…I agree,but again,we need to have a basic Foundation and concrete strategy and way of implementing it to tackle this cancer,which has metastasized already.
        To that effect, I forwarded possible scenarios and as I have understood you,due to the facts you listed,the PFDJ will not be in a position to sit down for a National Reconciliation.by any means and under any circumstance….
        I agree,at least in principle;but have we gotten there where we can absolutely deduct and conclude that ,”that is it”,there is no other way but “weed out the PFDJ by any means possible?
        If so—then …
        But here is my concern though:
        We have not yet even been able to mobilize and unite the public,who/which is anxiously waiting to be mobilized and to be united.Our ways have been chaotic and disorganized—
        Let us focus on that and let us aggressively debate on the ways how to bring change rather thna counting the sins of the PFDJ.
        We know the problems but we are not doing enough—-Let us forget about who is who—and who supports who and who is against who but focus on solutions.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Hope, I don’t know how you miss this point. you said “We have not yet even been able to mobilize and unite the public,who/which is anxiously waiting to be mobilized and to be united.Our ways have been chaotic and disorganized—” did that means we have to try reconciliation with PFDJ? no my friend. that means we should announce that we fail to create practical and common party as you have done it, and go on discussing how we should do it right now and ourselves. that is all. so the first step is to ask why we failed or how much we have gone in the past in doing it and what are the experiences we have. we have enough resources including the main factors like the real experienced fighters and educated personal in general the mass. in fact it is not PFDJ but the even the root case that creates PFDJ or even any type of group can be exposed and system can be installed not to open any chance now and here. shall I go further?

          • Hope

            Crystal CLEAR!Agreed.But let me clarify further on National Reconciliation
            -There are two phases in it
            a)Reconciliation among ourselves,Activists,Intellectuals,Opposition Groups.I hope this is very clear to you.If unclear to you: Take th examples of the EDA/EPDP,etc–drama;the different Youth Groups fighting with each other;the different Activists and Intellectuals fighting with each other.
            This phase shoul dhave been th easiest but seems to be the most difficult.
            b)Reconciliation with the Common Enemy-PFDJ:
            By default,if we cannot reconcile as an Opposing Party among ourselves,how can we reconcile with the common enemy?
            Now,I am deliberately,contradicting myself just to prove my point of arguement that we are far behind in fighting the common enemy.If we cannot achive Phase ONE,we will never achive any thing and the status quo will remain–i.e., the same enemy /PFDJ will rule.
            I have read all the good articles but my point is how can we put the in practice?Unless we are going the prescription from Dan Connell ,who told us that the only options are:
            -Military Coup
            -Targeted Assasination(as mots of the Opposion Debators are advocating indirectly).
            But I am not into it.
            I buy that of the EPDP style-to push for more aggressive but non-voilent approach by mobilizing people in diaspora and at home.

  • Hope

    Good Sunday Kokhob Selam,
    I hope you misunderstood me on this, otherwise this issue will be the ONLY one we might disagree.
    I was on the same position/boat and have had the same stand like yousr,that of Johar–and even that of my BFF,Hailat,Emma—etc.
    But let’s think twice and reflect on this issue and be realistic taking into consideration all factors,situations,etc-We have only two options:
    1)”Weed out completely the PFDJ by any means possible” for a Fundamental Change–may be an”Ideal and Perfect Solution”—theoretically.
    -But I need some clarification as to how ,when and under what conditions–to do this,considering the critical issue of the time and scary scenario where are in
    -What will be the collateral damages/the unkown and the uncertain things that might follow
    -What are the precoditions to be set up and to be met to do this?
    -Do we have a Basic Foundation for this?
    -Why have not we succeeded thus far by using this approach—where we used “Any means possible–including an outside support”?It has already failed,so what guarantee do we have after 15 yrs of failures?
    -History is always a witness,i.e.,refer to the African and other Third World experiences regarding the outcomes of the violent or related approaches with their negative outcomes and consequences if we have to apply the “Weed out” approach.I am talking about the realistic and practical outcomes from those Nations
    2)Genuine National Reconciliation:
    -Cons:Similar concerns and questions can be asked but mostly with a positive outcome
    -Pros: Though Theoretical and “Impractical” due to the stand of the Ruling party,this approach has lots of positive outcomes—
    History of Positive experience:
    -:Refer to the cases of Ethiopia,S Africa,Latin America and pother Nations who succeded with National Reconciliation,where they have even worse case scenarios compared to ours.
    -The only reason the Ruling Party is stubborn and unflexible is due to the weakness of the other Party,i.e., being not able to organize a United Peoples’ Front,which can challenge the Ruling Party,specially knowing that the silent majority is READY for change.
    based on this brief arguement,”Genuine National Reconciliation” is the BEST option considering the complicated socio-political-cultural aspects of Eritrea and her people.
    The simple approach is to mobilize the people in an organized manner with good leadership in an Eritrean Way,by Eritreans without any external interference.
    We have not even attempted this noble cause other than being Experts on “Cyber Politics and Cyber Opposition”,to use Saba’s words in theire true sense and meaning.
    To be blunt,we cannot even get along–with each other besides belttling and cursing each other–What a nonsense crap.
    If we try this non-violent and noble approach,NOT only we will succeed for a National Reconciliation, but alsi in “Weeding OUT” the Ruling Party,which is not interested in National Reconcilaition for obvious reasons.Or at least the Ruling Party will agree to sit down for a National Reconciliation,if not,it will Surrender to the people.
    Those peole who do NOT believe in Genuine National Reconciliation are one of or all these:
    -Defeatists
    -Desparados
    -Hate Mongers
    -Enemy agents,as our enemies do NOT want us to reconcile and unite
    -Pseudo-Eritreans
    -Neo-Unionists

  • haile

    Very true KS.

  • dawit

    dine we are talking of two different thing a macro and micro policy. On the macro level Eritrea is trying to develop its economy with its internal capacity, with help from others without string attachment to internal policy. Accepting of help for individual families is micromanagement, where individuals are free to receive help from their family member or others, so my self reliance with m policy of Eritrea and there is no contradiction unless we try to link it with the micro concept.

  • Kokhob Selam

    · ንሰላም ዕሰሉ :

    መንገዳ ቀረባ :- ፍትውቲ ብልጽቲ :-
    ንጹር ዝጥበባ :- ዘድከመ ት ሓሰዊቲ :-
    ማ ንም ነይቅንጥባ :- ዘይትቅየር ሓንቲ :-
    ሓቂ እያ ዕንባባ :- ንጽርቲ ብርህቲ ::-

    ሓቂ እያ ሓቂ :- ማእከላዊት ስንቂ :-
    ‘ታ መ ፍትሕ ኣብ ጭንቂ :- ቅጽበታዊት በርቂ ::

    ብዙሕ ኣይንቆሎው :- እታ መንገዲ ብዙ ሕ :-
    ኣይንበል ሃለውለው :- ሓሶት እያ ዝርንዝሕ :-
    ብቃላት ሰዋሰው :- ትመስል ትመርሕ
    ብዙ ሕ ቤላቤለው :: ገዛ ዘይተብጽሕ :-

    ግልብጥብጥ ኣመ ላ :- ዘይብላ ምዓላ :-
    ምትላል ኣመላ :- ክንደይ ኣጸሊላ :-
    ሓሶት ኣብ ምፍሻላ :- ትፈጥር ከለላ :-
    ሓቂ ተመ ሲላ :- ትኽደን ኣኽሊላ:-
    ትቀርብ ሓይላ ::

    ዳሕራይ :-
    ሓሶት ልዕሊ ሓሶት :- መ ርገም እ ‘ዩ ብእሰት :-
    ሾንኮለል ሸኾርተት :- ዘልኣለም ምህውታት ::

    ሓሰውቲ እንተበዝሑ :- ይመ ስሉ ዝ ነቕሑ:-
    ኣመ ና ዝበልሑ ቁም ነገር ነይሰርሑ ::

    ቁም ነገር ‘ሲ እነሆ :- ዘይድልዮ ሆሆ :-
    ንጹር ከም ማይ ንግሆ :- ሓቂ ን በል ይርሆ ::

    …..ደንበ ሕጊ ኣልቦ :-

    …………ኣብ ሓመድ ደርቦ :-

    ………………..መንገዱ ይጽበቦ :-

    ……………………………መዓልቱ ይዕረቦ ::

    ሓቂ ሓቂ በሉ :- ሰንደቅኩም ስቐሉ :-
    ሩፍታ ርኸብሉ :- ንሰላም ዕሰሉ ::

  • Saleh Johar

    SM,
    Now I understand half of it. I will wait until I understand the other half. But I will rather read panname debates instead of a muted cabinet meeting ala ERETv… and I certainly prefer cyber debates compared to the no-debate environment that the PFDJ created. More? The no information information-channel that doesn’t tell you who is jailed, why, where of Eritreans. If the regime wants to gag every living Eritrean, why would some people belittle the only breathing space we have: cyber? Is there a people in our situation can do but scream in cyber since we lack a breathing space in our own country? That is what I am thinking loudly, not directed at you or at anyone else at this moment, except those who praise the regime day in and day out.

    • SM

      I won’t speak for Saba but that was my impression I got from debating with her.
      I totally agree with you about the PFDJ side and I won’t even put it into a comparison with any thing let alone with your website.
      I more than agree with your logic about having no choice but expressing our frustration via cyber space for now at least ,as you said it.
      You caught me and mesmerized me on that.
      My expectation was more than that of Cyber Politics and Cyber Opposition but I kind of missed our limitations and short comings I guess..
      But I also have to admit and be blunt on the other weakness we have:
      -our lack of United struggle and inability to mobilize the public despite that we have more than enough resources access to the target population even better than that of the PFDJ…by .The Cyber Politics and Cyber Opposition. ..,a point probably Saba has been trying to addtess and a message relay.i.e.,despite all the resources we have at hand hete in Diaspora,our Cyber Politics and our Cyber Opposition have not done much or as we have expected them to do.

  • Hope

    An Urgent Call for a Genuine National Reconciliation.
    This is a brief response to Haile Zeru’s ,and Semere Tesfay’s Debate/Exchange of words.
    Let’s us be a bit considerate,open, realistic and accomodating,but of utmost importance,let’s try to “compromise”.
    Dawit,are you working on your article on “Compromise” as Tafla or Vet Habteghiorghis Abreha advised you and as you promised?
    Some of the rhetoric you mentioned about Semere’s arguements and over-reactions are related to his-“tit-for- tat” reaction,not from his real mind,i.e., saying like:” if you are going to do this to me,well I am going to do this to you” kind of reaction.
    But the good thing is that he repeatedly declared his positive agenda/suggestions/position/opinion,in an unambigous terms.
    You seem to be very articulate and I am amused as to why you could not understand him despite that he presented himself with 2+2=4 kind of simplicity and clarity in order to make sure that even the 5th graders will understand him.
    Is that an ego that you have to reconsider about, or you are just counter-arguing for the sake of arguement?
    Let me rephrase his arguement–at least the way I understood him:
    ” We all have sinned,and let us forget about the past and forgive each other and reconcile and live in peace and harmony with each other and thereby work for the BEST interest of Eritrea and Eritreans and reclaim what belongs to us and catch up with the LOST opportunity”.
    is that too much to ask for?
    I have to make a disclaimer here:
    I chose the nick “hope” purposely as I do believe in Hope as human beings we cannot just live with food and water only,as my close Cousin, SAAY ,said it.
    Faith,Hope and Love are our daily bread(not sure if I have a right to to quote the Holy Bible and St Paul here in this forum) –and if we keep the Faith,love each other and live in Hope,all the darkness will fade away.This premise or fact is not just from a Religious/Spiritual point of view but from Scientific/Psycholgical point of view.
    Talking,arguing and debating for the sake of doing so will NOT solve our problems.But what we need is :
    Genuine National Reconiliation” by any means possible and under any condition..
    Just curious to know:
    In our daily life, have we ever experienced having serious grudges , enimity and animosity with our family members, friends,co-workers? And if so, have we ever experienced how painful it is to do so? And if so, have we ever tried to reconcile/ask for forgivenes,apology/apologize for?And if so,have we ever experienced the Joy of that Reconciliation?
    I would like someone Charismatic people like Semere Tesfay or someone “Neutral” from political point of view, to write an article on National Reconciliation?
    I believe I read some kind of a mini-Scientific article sometime ago at Harnnet.Org by Fesseha Nair(which I never expected from–great change of heart though) or someone else.But I think it has to do with the recent attempts by the Opposition Groups to work together,which has failed,to our dismay??
    The one debate I joined at Naz Radio from Canada was a bit chaotic eventhough I enjoyed it.
    I was expecting Mr. Bohashim to write a Follow Up article on the debate so as to clarify few things about the techincality of National Reconciliation but,as of yet,I have not seen one from him,whom I kindly advise ,ask and encourage him to do so as that is his field.
    AT,can you try to reach him?If not, I will try to do so via Harnnet .Org people.
    I think this kind of topic is timely and essential in my opinion, and you will come across brilliant ideas–besides HOT discusssion.
    Have your say!!!!

    • Haile Zeru

      hope,
      I posted similar to the following statement on the other thread.Somehow I do not see it there.
      I said:
      -You are no one to interprete what Semere Tesfay said or did not say.
      -Your proposal of reconciliation between me and Semere Tesfay is useless. It amounts to nothing.
      -As for reconciliation between the Eritrean people and PFDJ your argument is either defective if you are sincere or deceptive if you are supporter of the Governement. Which it is clear you are supporter of the Government. OK, with some qualifications.
      The reason being there is no condition in Eritrea now for reconciliation between the Eritrean people and the government. When I say Eritrean people it is all Eritrean people. This condition is created by the government and it is up to PFDJ to remove the present state of terror for genuin national reconciliation.

      -as for the bible quotations…… it is said the devil also quotes the bible sometimes for its own purpose.

      • Hope

        Good Sunday to you to Haile Zeru,
        You are making me to mess up my Sunday here.
        Let me repeat myself:
        -I do not have any relationship or any sort of conflict of interest with Semere Tesfay but I know him from head to toe.
        -I am reading semere Tesfay based on what he wrote-in a crystal clear way.
        -I am not trying to reconcile you with Semere,none of my business–you see how you rush into conlcusions and judgements…a very bad sign,which does not need a psychic consult to read you or to judge you.
        -I do NOT know you at all and hence,I would TRUST someone I know very well
        -As to the Holy Bible quotes,get the message,and forget about the messenger(me in this case)–you see how you reacted to this as well,—-a very ,very bad sign and a good indicator of who you might be and what your motivation might be—unless you are naive to that extent an,may the Lord have Mercy on you!
        -National Reconciliation does have lots of technical and procedural guidelines and forcing the PFDJ to create a conducive environment for a National Reconcilaition is ONE of those preconditions.Again,you see how quick and—you are—very suspicious and fishy!!
        I am not judeging you,lest to be judged,but adving you NOT to judge people,me and Semere included.
        BTW,why and how in the world, are you “interpreting ” Semere Tesfay and bluff about his arguements?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear hope,
      I love your name.
      From what I read and experience I don’t believe any group who don’t want to be governed by any system (bad or good) can reconcile his difference with any group who want to follow system or rule (good or bad). It is really like expecting Satan to
      reconcile his difference with God or with any human being unless the man is the slave of Satan himself.

      Yes brother,
      hope, reconciliation is when you try to find two different believes or Ideas exist together or be accepted by both. It is creating harmony, then tell me now how can you create harmony between the one who want to govern without rule, rule of Jungle even like wild animals with someone who want to live with system and rule like human beings. And what ? Even with he mass who fought for freedom to get a democratic government. It is like reconciling hell and heaven. Please be kind and think about it, is that possible?

      There are two solutions, 01. If the people like you will just go inform PFDJ to leave Eritrea peacefully, handling over properly to the mass,which is 99.99 % impossible 02. Take nicely calculated risk (paying the minimum possible price) and clean that uncivilized and lawless group called PFDJ. now as others say it you may say “show us “, thanks God we are doing it. for me I have nothing to regret about, as I have paid what i should and I am here for extra (over time job). the damn collection was clear to me earlier. I am saying so to you – so you will not ask me questions like “what do you do” ” can you fight PFDJ in internet” etc. we are only discussing in cyber world which is also saving the life of innocent who could have been still cheated by PFDJ otherwise. And only when the right time comes we will know who really fought PFDJ with similar style she use from the beginning. Eritrea is the mother of heroes and they are doing their job more than me and you. I still respect your Idea although impossible.

  • Saba

    To anyone who belongs to the “cyber opposition”, what is the ideology of the cyber opposition? I hope your reply will not include pfdj.

    • tes

      saba,

      is that what you finally have?

      remember, you are in the same category of the cyber opposition. What is your ideology by the way for being here with us?

      • Saba

        Tes, you seem to be irritated by my previous questions. Some people have also been irritated by my opinion and questions but that is not my ideology:) Please do not take anything personal and try to debate me instead. You did not answer any of my previous questions and you did not answer this question. Instead you just flooded me with more questions. You are not engaging. You spent time on your research and you seem knowledgeable but may be you have problem in applying your knowledge. So i expect you to engage and debate instead of just firing randomly.

        • Hope

          May I calll it,Dr Saba,with all due respect though,defensiveness ,and by default,lack of self-confidence?
          “Evidence Based Medcine” is backed up by a series of researches and counter researches and serious scrutiny and on the same token,Political Science and Economics should follow the same principle,in my humble opinion.
          Our thesis and desertations should be defeneded scientifically,not by emotions and counter arguements.

          • Saba

            Hope, i agree with you completely. That is why i asked questions earlier about his articles. I do not see any reply with or without evidence.
            And if he is a proponent of “cyber opposition” he can explain the ideology of cyber opposition. If i ask what is the ideology of the cyber opposition, is that a tabu?
            I want to know the truth even when it is regarding about dictators.
            So Hope, where is my defensiveness?

          • SM

            Saba,
            I think Hope is trying to target your debator,Tes….indirectly.The response is backing you up and challenging the Author.
            Read it again but will let Hope clarify it.

          • Saba

            Haile, me too let me try to channel my debator indirectly:) in order to criticize my article you have to pass a litmus test and tell us your ideology to make sure that you are not a pfdj supporter. Haile, if you follow the thread, i am the first one who asked the question. You can read it again.
            BTW you were telling Hope not to interpret other people, so why are you interpreting Hope? Did you get license for that:)

          • tes

            Saba,

            If I feel emotional sorry for that. But, as for me, I did’t feel it.

            Concerning your addressed question, I am not meant to oppose you or just to mute from responding. I have gone through your first question in its critical level and I felt that, it is good to include you as a cyber opposition. And then if you know the ideology.

            People like Hope and Dawit are letting us to go and to talk on events and I am trying to provoke the main theme of my paper. All I found from is just trying to skip the main.

            I may be so direct in giving my answers and it may seem emotion but it is not. Saba, I am ok with all. And even I thank all the people with diversed views.

            As SG said it, I am ajust curious your definition of cyber opposition, you may call it cyber or related synonym. What I don’t agree is, when you say it “WEAK.” No, no, no! It is strong and Cyber opposition is not an appropriate name. It is an information exchange, engaging, source of ideas, history documentations, bringing people who want to be part of the society etc. And then after only you come and discuss face to face which the Eritrean diaspora websites are successful. See the human trafficking issue, the book written by our brother SG, human rights advocates like Elsa Chrum, brother Abdurahman Bohashem, many more are strong testimony for the unified action of information exchange and action. Even people like YG are very important as they are exposing their inner frustrations for an INDEPENDENT Eritrea and are mouth piece for people that can be possible Advocates of Unionists in the coming free democratic Eritrea which we need to take-off them.

            Let’s not try to belittle ourselves. I say this because everybody who engage in this fruitful debate saying the technological based information exchange is weak then s/he is speaking being outside of her/himslef. Let’s ask ourselves why we are here.

            To make clear my line for you Saba habtey, “I am advocate of all possible means of fighting against the Dictator and possible emerging forces that either have a mission against the peole, or the land unity of Eritrea.”

            You can see the paradigm shift within the last 10-14 years of the Eritrean media contribution in fighting against PFDJ.

            We have three options in removing the PFDJ regime in Asmara; one through bloody war like Syria, second, through demonstration inside Eritrea like Egypt (which is not possible at least for the time being for acceptable reasons as it may end up in bloody killing) and the the third is through conscious dismantling of the PFDJ and its roots 9Inwhich the diaspora people have great contribution and are mentors in its success).

            the third option has now almost succeeded in this line (see the recent YPFDJ conference- unlike other days, it was highly guarded and very secretive). Trace back this in 2004-5 and see the difference.

            One more, if the cyber media is weak, PFDJ could have created websites like madote, tesfanews, raimoq, dehai etc. these are the supposed alternatives that try to fight against the opposition that comes through the cyber.

            As for th ideology of cyber, I don’t think it has its ow ideology, but rather they are tools to make one ideology successful or not. See for example, Eri-TV, the muted cabinet meetings news and ful of guaylas, they are part of the PFDJ ideology of Social Justice. They advocate for that.

            You may ask, do other Eritrean opposition groups have an IDEOLOGY?

            I am trying to through their political programs for some of the major parties, like EPDP, but, I think, they are just duplicating the PFDJ’s ideology and that is the main reason for their retarded and slow pacing success. PFDJ has fought through his Social Justice ideology and no alternative ideology is on AIR ( but I need more careful study).

            Individuals might have their own ideology, but it is may not be effective.

            But people like SG, Amanauel Hidrat and many of high calibre Eritreans who fought against PFDJ and related forces have strong IDEOLOGY which they have maintained throughout their life, remember, they are ELF members and ELF has a strong IDEOLOGY, as brother Amanuel said it, “Socialistic Democracy.” Let’s remember, if a person has already consumed one IDEOLOGY and is in his blood, it is hard to change that. For example, islam as a religion is based on IDEOLOGy and that is why communists failed to succeed in Arab countries. Catholics also the same.

            To implement an ideology, either you need to get a receptive religousless society or individual, or hosting religions like ORTHODOX, where countries of Eastern europe succeeded. You might wonder why the Orthodox church is a fertile house for PFDJ. According to me, it is not different with that of Eastern-Europe.

            This is my deep reach of ideological analysis. Thank you!

          • Saba

            Tes, thank you for your direct reply and for focusing on the issues. Previously I did not answer your questions because I want you to debate me, not just to shut me up. Now it is my turn to reply.

            1 Tes, you have talent and knowledge and I wish you have applied your research skills wisely. To me your paper is about pfdj misguided policy rather than pfdj’s ideology. You have not even addressed EPLF’s ideology, whether they are the same or not as pfdj’s ideology. That is why I have asked you what was EPLF’s ideology. My second question was that if I tell you my
            ideology and you reply that I do not have an ideology while your friend says that I have an ideology but different from what I said, who is right? You said pfdj does not have an ideology but clearly pfdj has an ideology. An ideology is not something predetermined(as Amaniel Hidrat is trying to hint) like the maximum height of a human being can be. In the human history, there was times with no ideology and then ideologies were born with revolutions. There will be
            new ideologies in the future. PFDJ has its own ideology that has evolved from EPLF and it is social democrat with pragmatism, as explained by SAAY below(I recommend you to read it if you have not). ELF has also a similar ideology. But pfdj’s ideology is hijacked by isayas policies.
            They do not follow their ideology because of Isaias madness. He has a swur ginbar2.0 net that enforces isayasism. Your article would make sense if you focus on isayas policy instead of throwing all EPLF history into the garbage, including Eritrean independence, if you believe
            that eplf/pfdj do not have an ideology and YG will be happy about that.

            2. I do not have a great personality, I am an average citizen and I am not trying to practice my own ideology. I just want to bring democracy to my country. But if you really want to know my ideology, it is mixed between socialism and capitalism. If you tell me that it is impossible, I will tell you
            that it is possible. There is no ideology that is predetermined. It is up to you what kind of ideas, doctrine or vision you want to have and believe in.

            3. I do not belong to the cyber opposition and I do not belong to pfdj. I am anti-pfdj and I want to establish a new real party by rehabilitating the cyber opposition or dismantling it. That is not my ideology but my policy:)

            4. Tes, people like you, Haile, Ermias and others are in the “hata hata mode”, oppose pfdj by any means, whatever. The end justifies the means! So that is why you are supporting the cyber opposition with all their similarities to pfdj believing that at least they are better than pfdj. People like me do not like undemocratic parties, half-truth or sugar-coated explanations just to inflict harm to pfdj. That is one of the reasons why the public has rejected your cyber opposition. The
            reason I call them cyber opposition is that they are strong in the cyber space but weak or absent in the real world, like Bitcoin. Using the internet is a smart idea (that is where most people I see get confused when i use the word cyber, i like using the internet) but as a political party if
            you exist only in the internet, then you are not using the internet wisely and
            efficiently. I want to establish a party that is strong in the cyber space and strong in the real world. Cyber and real is perfect, cyber ONLY is weak:) Elsa Chyrum is a heroic activist, not a
            political party. So give me an example from your cyber party, not from activists( which are doing an excellent job). The reason I am advocating for a real party and rehab of the cyber opposition, is because that is the only way you will bring change. Cyber opposition is helping pfdj indirectly so it should be either rehabilitated or dismantled. The cyber opposition has not done that much, it is
            pfdj that is weakening on its own and from international forces.

            5. I do not think I am deflecting from your article and trying to skip it. Instead I want to use it as a chance to compare pfdj ideology with your cyber opposition ideology since ideology is the main team here.

            6. Tes, I want you to focus on your own phrase: [You may ask, do other Eritrean opposition groups have an IDEOLOGY? I am trying to go through their political programs for some of the major
            parties, like EPDP, but, I think, they are just trying to merge and duplicate the PFDJ’s ideology and the former ELF ideology together and that is the main reason for their retarded and slow pacing success ]
            7. In the end I want you to get out of the “HATA HATA mode” and analyse the cyber opposition and join me to establish a new democratic party. In the mean time you can come to my rehab clinic and work overtime:)

            Thank you, Saba.

          • tes

            Saba habtey,

            Thank you for your kind compliments and encouraging. I am feeling something new energy after reading your insightful and calling words. I thank you so much also for calling me to join your coming party.

            Saying this,

            I think, I have tried to discuss on the so self-claimed PFDJ’s ideology, which is social Justice. My stand here is, though PFDJ claim it is their ideology, what they have is a JUCHE Ideology, an ideology of North Korea. this is my whole search. If we come across Social Justice as an ideology, it is very far from what the PFDJ is practicing. We can read many regarding social justice and PFDJ is far from it. Social Justice is meant more of humanitarian and Human rights is at its focus. But PFDJ’s ideology is “National Security”at its focus. It is not humanitarian and justice is not their priority and this is a clear allignment with of North Korean ideology.

            Concerning your new party, OMG, we have enough and I would kindly call you to come and join the Eritrean Justice seekers. And, sure you will get one party that may suite you according to your mixed capitalist-socialist ideology.

            As for me, I would better join the GREEN Party that focuses on developmental issues.

            And for your job, I am in Romania these days doing my masters degree. But, i would be happy to visit you and chat face to face so that the cyber friendship can be real and more strong as you like the way the opposition groups work.

            thank you
            tes

          • hope

            Oooh,Sabina,
            I was targeting Tes as his reaction is totally defensive and I was challenging him to defend his article / thesis or research scientifically ,not emotionally.
            Hope u got me now.
            My apology for the confusion.
            Give him some time though as he will learn how to debate rationally and reasonably after a while… as we all go through some litmus test and ….

          • Saba

            Hi Hope, sorry i misunderstood your reply. I had my gut feeling that you might be referring to tes but i was not sure. It is great that you are working overtime in the rehab clinic:) I like your comments about National reconciliation. Keep doing it. Yeah this litmus test is becoming more frequent:) but i will give them enough time until they become reasonable to debate.

    • Saleh Johar

      Saba, we hear “cyber-warriors, cyber-opposition”, etc all time.Mostly used derogatorily to belittle some people. It would be easy to explain (or pass) the ideology is we first describe what is cyber opposition. I promise to indulge you if you describe for me what and who is cyber opposition.

      • Pappillon

        Dear Saleh Johar,

        Saba is as confused as the other neither here nor there PFDJ’s night shift lackeys. Incidentally, I just finished listening to your classy and dignified eulogy of our late leader Ahmed Nasser (May his soul rest in peace) and as you have eloquently put it, we all encounter downers who are inflicted with hopelessness and I must say, Saba is not an exception. She doesn’t deserve your attention at all.

        ሓፍትኻ

        • Saleh Johar

          Papillon,
          Thank you for the nice words.

          Honestly, I want to understand what cyber opposition means and the context in which it is used before I make a judgement. I really need to understand that and Saba may help me satiate my curiosity.

          • Pappillon

            Dear Saleh,

            Trust me you don’t need to go far, you can read the unabated blabber in her comments where the “cyber-opposition” is injected like there is no tomorrow. ዓቐን ዘይብሉ ሃለዉለዉ እዩ.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Sis, Pappillon, when I hear from someone “cyber opposition” I just can see that he or she don’t know that there is cyber PFDJ. Leaving aside those who write and debate against opposition, a lot of money is paid to fight every opposing site and opposing individual computers. Thanks to this advanced technology we are watching and facing all killer soft wares with out paying one cents and sure we will start attacking the attacker with his own soft ware soon.

        • SM

          And you are who,what?You belong to where and to whom?
          Please I’D yourself as well.
          Johar,
          The language the above lady or a man by the nick Babylon is using is what I would consider derogatory and am amused as to why you turned your face away.
          Saba is not using derogatory terms but expressing her opinion that the Internet based politics is is NOT the ideal ordeal of the day as it has never achieved any thing as of yet.That is Cyber Politics-”’politics based on online rhetoric only.
          Cyber Opposition is as the term implies.Meaning that Opposing and bluffing on line using nick names and unknown identities….origins…and it has neither achieved any thing.
          That is a fact and Dr Saba is trying to express that weakness,which she us entitled to and should not be considered as Derogatory.
          As far as she is able to justify her cause,the only thing we can do is to challenge her and the field is yours. .

      • Saba

        Hi Saleh Johar, what i meant by “cyber opposition” is similar to Bitcoin. You can be rich with bitcoin but you can not cash it in the real world as it is not recognized by many countries. The cyber opposition is an opposition party/organization that has strong existence only in the cyber space but with minimal presence in the real world, rejected by the public as a political alternative. Of course this is not a complement.
        I saw your video of Eulogy to Ahmed Nasser[May his soul rest in peace], it was great and genuine speech. I like the part when you said that we should not give up and we should keep struggling for justice until we find it. But i challenge you to keep your words.

      • Saba

        A cyber opposition has its strong pillars only in the cyber(virtual) world but no strong presence in the real world.
        A real opposition is an organization/party with strong presence in the
        real world with minimal or strong presence in the cyberspace. So just
        using the internet or pen names does not make you a cyber-ONLY like
        Bitcoin. You can use pen names, that is not a problem at all, it is your
        idea that matters. And also i am talking about political parties, not
        individuals. Using internet to solidify your presence in the real world
        is a smart job. But if your main presence is in the cyberspace and if
        whatever you do in the internet is not translated into the real world
        then you qualify for a cyber party/opposition 🙂

    • Dawit

      Saba,

      Your question is based on the assumption that all those belonging to a “cyber opposition” have one political ideology. By the way, do you have to have a certain ideology to oppose PFDJ? Your question is not clear Saba.

      • hope

        Dawit,
        If I may interject here,we do NOT need any Ideology to oppose or to remove PFDJ but the will,the stamina,the Unity,the gut–etc—
        It does NOT make any sense to me to waste our time on lectures and histories about N korea or kolqual—
        The EPLF did the main and the primary job whether with its own or N Korea’s ideology but it failed to keep the promise of 1994 congress.
        Our job should be as to how to struggle so as to reclaim what belongs to us and catch up with the lost opportunity by mobilizing the public/silent majority so as to force PFDJ to come back to its sense and keep its promise or else ,to “weed it out” if it continues to keep us the hostage of its policy.

      • Saba

        Dawit,

        You want to measure how much i oppose pfdj and the cyber opposition then depict it in your cartoon?:) Or are you just wondering if i am paid by pfdj? This is litmus test number x.

        Do not assume anything, there are too many cyber parties, i have reformulated the question for your pleasure:)
        I oppose pfdj because of the lack of freedom of any kind to me and my Eritrean people and because of slave-labor to all Eritrean people of certain range of age. Under pfdj i can not have a normal life, i can not live where i want, i can not do the job that i like I can not express my opinion. I can go on and on but let me tell you what i sometimes think: Imagine if i wear a T-shirt with the phrase “election now” and walk through godena harnet, what will happen to me?

      • Saba

        Now your turn, which cyber opposition party do you support and why?

        • Dawit

          Is there any so called “cyber opposition” party to begin with? The phrase itself seems to be your creation or for lack of a better term your wishful thinking.

    • haile

      haha Saba…we still waiting on PFDJ ideology 🙂 I hope the reply will not include woyane.

      • Saba

        Lol, I have replied to Tes and you can read it, oops i forgot about tplf. You have not replied to my previous post, i think you are relapsing and back to your comfort zone(your cyber opposition), jokingly Ermias told me that he was afraid in the marciapiedi, outside the cyber opposition:) It is easy to be in your cyber opposition, but it takes courage to be in my position!

        • haile

          Sorry Saba, I was side tracked and the usual busy wknd. Your questions are fair and will address them. I thinks as far as your clinic goes hush hush… only Hope is the real patient there and the rest of us are placebo to make him think that he is only working there (while he complete his treatment) 🙂

          PS: please remember to include Z for haile zeru, you had me ready to answer on one of your reply to him…easy to get mixed up, we’re both placebo 🙂

          • Saba

            Haile the gr8, that is the typical sign of relapsing:) So we are waiting for patiently in the clinic.
            Take your time, me too sometimes i do not have time and i can understand you on that. But i do not understand you on your cyber opposition thing:)

            Sorry for the mix up of names. I will use Z next time. Another problem i have is that in my screen the user names get mixed up, especially those who belong to cyber opposition:) For example i see your name the post of let say Ermias. So i have to wait for some minutes and upload the page a couple of times to get the correct user name that matches the post. How do i know that? Cyber opposition punch lines are easy to identify:)

  • dawit

    dine what a great news! Here in the U.S. the richest country in the world we distribute every day for needy for millions children and families in 50 States and few territories, what do you do you think the Salvation Army and U.S Food Banks do every single day of the year.. Is there a difference?

    • dine

      there is no difference at all, the point is i want u to know that eritrea is a country that receive aid from other countries and that contradict your ”self-reliance”.

  • Amanuel

    Self Reliance is not a preferable choice if you have someone true to help.
    I agree with TES on that.
    But if the help you requested or needed is late or
    unavailable then self reliance is the last resort of choice
    to rely on.
    Apologize for past mischaracterizations that caused misunderstandings.

    • Hope

      But history is telling us otherwise-and the Third World/Africa mainly, is being advised to follow the Eritrean way.The EPLF/PFDJ said it eloquently that “Aid” should be when really needed and should be applied in a mutually managed way,not the way the NGOs do it.
      I would rephrase your statement saying:”Self Reliance is not a preferable choice if you have someone true to help”.
      by saying:””Self Reliance is a preferable way when possible and only to be backed up with some TRUE help,when needed”.
      If the Eritrean/EPLF way of Self relienace failed but partially,it is only due to some policy mistakes and external interference,hence,our debate should be about improving those mistakes and as to how to deal with the external interference.

  • Saba

    Hi Tes, i like your method and the fact that you have tried to study pfdj as a political scientist. But in some part of your article you start something and you do not finish it. Here are some questions i have for you:
    1. Do you think EPLF, ELF had their ideology?
    2. If i tell you this is my ideology and you say that i do not have an ideology and your friend says that i have ideology but a different one, from 3 of us, who is right?

    • Saba

      And the article is also skewed, you have already reached your conclusion from the beginning but you just filling it with examples.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Saba,
      For ELF its ideology was “socialistic ideology” and the path it chose at that time was “non-capitalist development”. If you have a problem with two concept as to what it means, can it be your home work? just if you don’t mind.

      • Saba

        Great, so how did you reach to that conclusion?
        PS: I might be uneducated/not smart but i can learn INDIRECTLY:)
        In a nutshell: Backward society–>non-capitalist path of development–>socialism

      • saay7

        Emma:

        The EPLF/PFDJ has a clear political ideology that has evolved. You can see this clearly by comparing its program after its first congress in 1977 (where it was talking about state ownership of everything including the economy) to 1987 (where it was talking of political pluralism, freedom of the press, freedom of worship and free-enterprise system) to 1994 (where it came up with its ambitious and detailed “National Charter”. It is not my cup of tea but it is intellectually defensible and clearly within the mainstream of Eritrean political thought, which tends to be left-of-center (egalitarian, social justice, economic justice, etc.) You can find it here: http://ecss-online.com/data/pdfs/PFDJ-national-charter.pdf

        The problem is in how it goes about implementing it. What exactly are its values? People as diverse as Roy Pateman and Yosief Ghebrehiwet have come up with different descriptions for it. Roy Patemen calls it “anarchist communism” “libertarian communism” (God knows what he means by that.) YG called it “vulgar pragmatism.” Mejlis Ibrahim Mukhtar called it “ethnocracy.” And, lately, Medrekh called it “monocracy.”

        The real problem is that what is written is an intellectual excercise. What we have is Isaiasism. And Isaiasism is about being completely unshackled by anything, including ideology, and for that to happen there is only one constant. Crisis. Step 1: create crisis. Step 2: manage crisis. Because leaders are given a lot of leeway when they are managing a crisis. Isaiasism is the desire for carte-blanche authority to an extent that he doesn’t even want to call a State of Emergency because that would require a definition and a parameter. That’s to say: our problem is not PFDJ or its ideology but Isaias and Isaiasism. If the rules of PFDJ were followed, Isaias Afwerki would have been termed out of office in 2011 (two five year terms beginning with the 2001 elections.)

        saay

        • Hope

          Here we go again.
          Agreed,at least partially and in Principle.Our struggle should then be against Isayasism,if we all agree, and leave aside the mumbo-jumbos and then things will be short and “sweet”.
          20 yrs plus the Struggle era leadership should have been enough for him—
          BTW,I love this:
          “The EPLF/PFDJ has a clear political ideology that has evolved. You can see this clearly by comparing its program after its first congress in 1977 (where it was talking about state ownership of everything including the economy) to its second congress in 1987 (where it was talking of political pluralism, freedom of the press, freedom of worship and free-enterprise system) to its third and last congress in 1994 (where it came up with its ambitious and detailed “National Charter”.) It is not my cup of tea but it is intellectually defensible and clearly within the mainstream of Eritrean political thought, which tends to be left-of-center (egalitarian, social justice, economic justice, etc.) You can find it here: http://ecss-online.com/data/pd..”.
          I love more this ONE:
          “The problem is in how it goes about implementing it.”.
          Courtesy of Saleh Younis.

        • tes

          Saay7, there are two scientific methods in descovering a solution for a problem. Deduction approach or Induction approach (see the graph), either is acceptabe as far as you can reach into a solution. But as my understanding, the Deduction approach is more appropriate to see the specific projects you listed. In politics, deduction approach is more strong as you can draw easily from the general 9for example, the IDEOLOGY) to specifics (on how the projects are implemented). YG for exapmle follows the INDUCTION approach in his analysis, from sepcific events to the general one, but, such kinds of approaches are misleading and always ends in the wrong way. MEDREK has no their own Ideology, as they just want to remove DIA and reform PFDJ. The ideology will be there. MEDREK’s word for Monocracy indicates a ONE-man RULE, they didn’t see beyond and ofcourse they want to maintain PFDJ’s thinking, a fatal and a big mistake approach.

          For the time being. I will give you the picture which tries to explain what a Deduction approach is and what an INDUCTIOn approach is.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Tes,

            Very interesting. You are absolutely right as to the approach of YG which is “induction reasoning” based on tentative hypothesis which by the way sometimes ends to a wrong conclusion.

          • Pappillon

            Dear Tes,

            Karl Marx once said, “Philosophers may have interpreted the world, the point is however to change it.” Notable personalities with in the Eritrean contemporary political reality such as YG are armed with a hindsight to interpret the narrative where the factors at play often times are convoluted to the extent that the intended purpose gets lost in the shuffle. To be more precise, YG’s approach to the Eritrean narrative is more of a subjective as opposed to objective simply because, with the factors at hand he is unable to predict the outcome in the near or far into the future. The handicap rests on the very fact that, the approach deals with human vagaries of personalities or behaviour. He is defining the imperatives of Ghedli retrospectively where he concludes that, the present sad reality is rooted in the very nature of Ghedli. It may give an impression that, it is a deductive take but on a close-up, it is a merciless onslaught on Ghedli simply because, the midstream is muddy when the story of Ghadli is not concluded yet. The question still remains: if YG was to go back in time, would he have been able to predict precisely the present outcome? Hardly. Again, because it suffers lack of an objective approach where factors are expected to give a similar outcome when they are tested over time.

            ሓፍትኻ

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Saleh (Saay)

          I wish I know you in person. But…but…. there are two individuals who let history and politics to interplay in their argument in a full disclosure as a power of persuasion. whether I agree or disagree on the general premise of any given contextual subject we tackle, I enjoy them. These individuals happened to be Saleh A. Younis and Hiruy Tella. When I debate with both of you, I don’t go empty hand and you don’t go with the home rum. I hope it is mutual feeling. You know what I mean by that.

          This time unless you come with a second try, you let me go with empty hand. (a) I don’t see the clear ideology of the organization in the three stages you mentioned, except some sets of program (b) If the organization act one way and the political program calls for different way, you don’t see the principal relationship between the theory and practice to reflect to the so called ideology if they had any. For instance take the second congress in 1987 their political program “talks about political pluralism, freedom of the press, freedom of worship, and freedom of enterprise” just to quote you. In practice when they come victorious in liberating the country they declared “nay widubat hashewye yelen”. They denied even to the mother of the liberation, the ELF organization. They talked about free enterprise and they ended up with state enterprise. Just to mention few from the many. Even from these sets of program, can you deduce any ideology to name it.

          In the ELF organization all the the political program are within the tenets of “socialist ideology” and the whole political orientation socialist political teaching. The path off course is ” non capitalist development”. The path teaches how to bypass capitalism using “national democratic program.” You find it defined clearly its ideology and the path. When we liberate the towns in 1977 “sewrawyan shimagletat” was formed to administer with the same ideology and the same path.

          Dear Saleh, ask any EPLF cadre or leadership what was their ideology in the three stages you mentioned no one will clearly tell you.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear AH,
            I apologize beforehand for interjecting uninvited on here.

            There is no doubt that EPLF’s stated ideology is, as SAAY has said it, socialism and in the unipolar world, you can trace it near the middle left political regime. But the essence and struggle of the Eritrean fronts cannot be fully rested up on the a quest for social justice as many of the proponents of communism of the time had been looking for. Eritrean independence was not driven by ideology. it was a rejection to Ethiopian administration and no clarity in ideology was a necessary push and that was the least they bothered about.

            Once independence was achieved something essential to formulate policies was required which naturally should be reflection of the socio-political and economic persuasions the governing party follows. Here is where I join SAAY that IA was/is the ideology of EPLF and PFDJ. The departure with him(Sal) is that his belief when IA is removed, PFDJ would be restored to normalcy by removing few of the personalities at the helm along with him. This could be one of the probable outcomes but not necessarily a singular one.

          • SM

            Well,Saleh Younis is trying to tell you in a nut shell and in a crystal clear way based on the written “Ideology and Program”.
            Why are we twisting simple things here and there?
            You just want all things in your own way and only in your own way.
            I have followed you on this website for years now and I have never noticed you either admitting your mistake or making a proper and legal U-turns when needrf,unless you are going to tell me that you are”Perfect”.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            There I go disappointing you again. I am flattered for the comparison with Herui T Bairou–but he is a politician/philosopher by training and practice. I am am observer. Big difference.

            Let’s approach this from a different angle. Assume that PFDJ (stripped of its Isaiasism) is holding a national convention, the way the Dems and Repubs do in the US. What would its political platform/plank be? Or assume that a PFDJ candidate is on live TV in a moderated debate with a candidate from, oh, what the heck, the Emma Party. What would this candidate’s position be on land reform, agricultural policy, education policy, women’s rights, economic policy, macroeconomic policy, foreign policy, ethnic rights, role of culture, right to information, national security, military policy, role of culture, etc.

            Here’s my prediction: the PFDJ candidate and the Emma Party candidate would spend most of their time saying, “I agree with the honorable gentleman/gentle lady…” That’s the tragedy of Eritrean politics: we are not polarized but politicians are good at finding wedge issues and exaggerating the differences. Eritrea is, like the rest of Africa, a left-of center country, rooted in egalitarianism, social justice and economic justice. Those of us outliers–the libertarians, the right-of-center ones–would be the observers, the ones who get 3% of the vote:) It is only our focus on the rear-view mirror and not the windshield that is holding us back.

            T. Kifle, I agree with everything you said, including your conclusion that it is ONLY probable that an Isaiaism-less PFDJ would be different from Isaisism-heavy PFDJ but by no means the single outcome. But that probability is good enough for me, and I maintain for Eritrea, considering all the other options, from a strict risk/benefit assessment.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,
            No I will call you for another try. I don’t believe separating Issayas from the party. I think we recorded our difference on the role of a party and the role of an individual. Yes Issayas has a heavy hand on the policy or on what the party is doing in the nation, but he has solid followers to implement his philosophy. Issayas has already built this party in his image with a long strategy to stay and rule with the ideology (whatever that ideology is, I might agree with Tes on its ideology). Believe me, in this party (PFDJ), there are many Issayasist to use your own word. Even If you call it literarily as issayasist ideology for the heck of argument, it is a philosophical view solidly taken by the entire members of the organization.

            The examples you gave us about the USA is irrelevant. Because at the birth of the nation the people of America agreed on what political ideology they will follow (strictly capitalist ideology) as it is enshrined in their constitution. They set rule of law and rule of engagement. They formed parties to engage within the frame of their constitution and the rule of engagement they set for. From that central frame, we could see parties as leftist , rightist, center right, center left..etc. But remember those connotations are relative within the main ideology of the nation (capitalist ideology). These grouping or parties of course will come with different policies as a means of competing a way for holding power. There is no significant ideological difference as the center of their ideology is “capitalist ideology”. Remember how they hunt the communist or socialist parties after the second world War. Forget these leftist, rightist, center-left, or center-right, it only work and serve within their central ideology “the capitalist ideology.”

            So my dear friend, time will tell how our difference will settle on the role of “an individual” and the role of a “Party”. Because the role of individual is finite but the role of a party could be infinite (of course the word finite and infinite is strictly used in relative term). If there could come change within the party it might be on its policies but not in its ideology, which you couldn’t identify even yourself at this time.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            I did not spell out the ideology of PFDJ; but I gave you its vision statement, the “national charter.” Now, before you get deep into the weeds of semantics, we first need to come to an agreement on the very definition of “political ideology”: otherwise, we will be talking past each other. I invite you to give me YOUR understanding of what an ideology is and, more specifically, POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.

            For the PFDJ, the very word “ideology” is an intellectual indulgence. (Author Ruth Iyob calls their approach “cautious pragmatism.”) They prefer to use an alternate word, Vision, (ራእይ) which simply means a world view and, in my opinion, is synonymous with ideology. Now, what is PFDJ’s vision?

            All visions, ideologies and world-views begin with an assessment (which is necessarily subjective) of reality. So, step 1 in a world view is an assessment of the part and present (reality.) The EPLF/PFDJ begins with an assessment of the past and present which, again, is necessarily subjective. Even the tools we use to assess the past are subjective and, in the case of EPLF/PFDJ, the tool to assess history was Leninism. This is because Lenin had said that while socialists are under no obligation to support secessionist movements, they ARE mandated to respect their right to self-determination. In fact, in one of the peace talks the EPLF/PFDJ was asked what it wants and it said the three things we want are “self-determination, self-determination and self-determination.” The Derg used Stalin and his “Marxism and the National Question” to win over the bulk of socialists…

            After you have select what tool you need to use to interpret the past, you must then interpret it. The EPLF/PFDJ created a counter-narrative to Ethiopia’s and ELF’s narrative. The author (and Ethiophile) Patrick Gilkes was VERY critical of EPLF’s narrative and particularly the Westerners (Connell, Pateman) who repeated it whom he labeled “guerrilla groupies.” But the EPLF’s narrative was quite compelling, going toe-to-toe with Ethiopia’s mythology by creating its own mythology of a Yikealo, a demi-god who could do anything.

            So that takes care of EPLF’s interpretation of past/present. Now comes the vision. You won’t find much quoting (as Lenin said…) in its political programmes and literature so what you can do is read it and infer what its influences are. You can also look at its practices–including WHO its leaders were–and infer its ideology.

            Let’s begin with the latter: its leadership was almost entirely Asmara Secondary School–Addis Abeba University. This is the petite-bourgeoisie. Amilcar Cabral had argued that in Africa the peasantry has no political consciousness and the proletariat are too few to matter so who should lead the revolution is the petit bourgeoisie under one condition: this petit bourgeoisie must commit “class suicide” and adapt the values of the peasantry and the proletariat. That is exactly what the EPLF/PFDJ petit bourgeois did, down to its manner of speech. (there is an Asmara-Keren grown PFDJ I talk to and he often surprises me by saying ኦይ in the middle of a conversation. Isaias, who grew up in Asmara and spent some time in Addis, says ዓሰርተው ሸውዓተ for 17: do you know any Asmarino who says that?:) In the EPLF (I will let you judge if this was the case in the ELF): watches were confiscated, cigarettes were banned, sex outside marriage was banned, there were no senior leaders who had assistants to make them coffee, etc. In liberated areas, the ELF conducted token land reform, the EPLF conducted radical land reform* after extensive surveys. The ELF simply taxed traders; the EPLF pretty much nationalized the economy. Etc.

            Its ideology was Maoist. No surprise: both Ramadan Mohammed Nur and Isaias Afwerki are graduates from its cadre school. (Please refer to wikileaks to understand how much Isaias Afwerki venerates, to this day, Mao Zedong, particularly this one: http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=09ASMARA363&q=isaias%20mao) Over the decades, this has evolved into standard social democracy. What kind? Just look at the Vision statement of the PFDJ, from its national charter.

            If you want to know who is the ideologue that the PFDJ’s intelligentsia venerate, it is the exact same one that your friend Herui Tedla Bairou does. I once spent 30 minutes discussing this ideologue with Herui and I thought to myself: why do we have two political parties because they (ELF, EPLF) venerate this man. Can you guess who that is? It is Karl Popper and his school of falsifiability. (Popper had problem with inductive logic, Tes) This is why, I think, Ruth Iyob’s categorization of the PFDJ as “cautious pragamatists” (aka akhayda gobye) is accurate.

            Speaking of Isaias-less of PFDJ, a friend who refuses to allow me to disclose her name (for which I am punishing her and calling her Minia Minin because all she does is complain) says, “you know Sal what you are doing is calling for the rehab of PFDJ just like Saba is calling for the rehab of the opposition.” And I say: exactly!

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            I don’t want to go to the semantics of political ideology. Let me tell you straight forward. EPLF under the leadership of EPRP Party till up to the 3rd congress of the organization in 1994, their ideology was “socialist ideology” and the path they chose was “New Democracy” similar to that of China. All their political orientation was completely based on the Maoist philosophy. Both the ELF and EPLF organizations had the same political ideology only to differ on the path they chose (New Democracy vs Non Capitalist development).

            But after the 3rd congress of EPLF (whether it was transformation or transfiguration) they changed their party from EPRP to EPFDJ with no clear ideology to me. But most probably from their political practice, I tend to agree with Tesfabirhan (Tes), which is similar to that of North Korea “Juche ideology” unless you come with a declared one from their ideological text. I hope you could understand my take as to what an “ideology” from this straight talk, by not going to the elastic meaning of the term to avoid confusion to our readers. But rather, Saay, I would like to continue to debate the role of “an individual” and the role of “a party” very crucial to understand to the nature of the ruling party and by extension the Eritrean political crises. This will help us to understand the activity of individuals “as individuals” and the activity of an organization/party as a “system” that includes its political Super-structure and its political infra-structure.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Yes, by all means, we will continue the discussion on the distinction between the man (Isaias) and the party (EPLF/PFDJ.) For now though, a little correction. The EPLF was not, as you say, “under the leadership of EPRP Party till up to the 3rd congress of the organization in 1994.” What happened is that Isaias disclosed for the first time, to the attendants of congress in 1994, of the existence of Eritrean People’s Revolutionary Party (the secretive EPRP, the vanguard to the vanguard) but that IT HAD BEEN DISCONTINUED IN 1989.

            This EPRP was not as exclusive and secretive as you are implying. If you read our interview with Abdella Adem (who was a member), he says that everybody and his cousin was a member of the “secret party.” This supports my argument that whether the EPLF/PFDJ was organized to have a military and political bureau, whether the military bureau was eliminated (in 1987), whether “new blood” had to make way for “old blood” (1994), whether the central committee had to be strengthened or emasculated, whether the “National Assembly” met or was frozen (February 2002), whether the Cabinet of Ministers rubber-stamped or muted, whether a kitchen cabinet of “government garages” was assembled… the EPLF/PFDJ has always been Isaias +. And since 2001, the balance of power between Isaias and the + has dramatically shifted in favor of Isaias.

            saay

          • tes

            Hi Saay,

            It is good that here the discussion is shaping the debate and I thank you and Amanuel for this ensightful discussion.

            First: Your focus on one man centered leadership of Issaiasism has a possibility of belittling the whole organizational contribution of the EPRP. Issaias as central focal point might have a mastering role in diffusing the adopted ideology of an ideology which I am equating with JUche Ideology. In the whole course of the armed struggle, Issaias came with no NEW IDEOLOGY, but, as he has learned it, he might have played a central role (of-course Juche favors such kind leadership). And, his satanic and dictatorial behaviour perfectly matched to apply this ideology for the structuring of the whole EPLF and in theorizig the secretive party that was dismantledd officially in the thrid congress of 1994. You might argue that the historical chronology was in 1989. But, at a congress level, where major changes are usually taken, 1994 is marked for that in history.

            Second: Issaias did not create any unique ideology that we might honor him for his philosophical works like his master revolutionaries of Marx, Lenin his close teacher Mao and the founder of Juche ideology, of North Korea Kim Il Sung, the master of North Korea ideology. Hence no created can be given to him. But, as good student of those masters (good for bad of course), he might have played a great role in welded it perfectly.

            But I doubt in this regard and I therefore prefere to see within the EPRP (EPLF) box.The contribution of leading cadre instructors like Haile Duru’e should not be under-estimated and in addition the long time chairman of the fron, Romodan Mohamed Nur, is also equally responsible in welding the ideology. For acceptable individual behaviour and shifting political study and personality, the satanic mission could be different.

            Hence, I prefer to say EPLF/PFDJ ideology rather than Issaiasism or Duruism or Romodanism or Alaminism. The whole front leadership is responsible, especially the secret party members. We can dig into the lines of the secret party and sure we will get this Juche Ideology.

            And what is all about this then?

            my main objective is, to expose the inner mind of the EPLF?PFDJ and the EPLF members (be the all time recruited, hafash wudubat, the school, like revolutionary school, and the after independence PFDJ working structures) from ideological point of view and destroy them. My objective is to understand the mindset, and devise a technic to destroy it.

            Saay, your one-man centered approach will produce nothing at the end. Issaias might have played a central role, which I am in doubt. DIA is equally responsible like all the leading PFDJ leaders. And the mission can not be finished after removing this satan from power. the ideology is already there. We need to understand them very well and where it is located exactly.

            Doing this will help us in forming a new democratic Eritrea. New Policies based on Eritrea that we dream for should be designed, government structures that suite such policies should be re-structured, strategies by concerned bodies should be outllines and of course programs and projects. removing Issaias and his puppet’s will ot solve the problem. We need to remove the ideology that exists in every office, in every policy, in every house, in every individual, in every Eritrean society.

            Removing officers or leaders will bear nothing, because the ideology will fight for any power that will come. Sometimes I think deepy when I read statements in the PFDJ medias stating that they have succeeded in making their foot strongly standing. This statement is not what they mean by “they will remain always in power,” they know they will die, naturally or by any means. But their ideology can stay behind and has a possibility of staying long, for decades or centuries.

            See YPFJ, why they are spending lots of money in brainwashing them day and night?

            Therefore, Saay, I am inline with Amanuel’s analysis and i perfectly agree with him in my approach.

            thank you
            tes

          • Jo

            Selamat Tes,

            “We need to remove the ideology that exists in every office, in every policy, in every house, in every individual, in every Eritrean society.” Ok. But, once removed what do we replace it with? What Ideology? Hence, I think, if I am not mistaken (if I am I will stand corrected), Saba’s quest for the oppositions ideology.

          • Mai Setikn Gah

            Brother Saay — You sure ur flattered by comparison to tedla bairu? he doesn’t have a good reputation.

  • Hope

    Here are some FACTs:
    Am not sure how old this guy is.But if he is just a Warsay who might have attended the Nacfa Cadre School besides his Degree in Agriculture,I think, he is just teaching himself,NOT us—
    As to Self-Reliance,:
    The EPLF then the GoE–at least until late 90,did it well.This was witnessed/testified by the Super Powers,who admired that success but only to work against it for fear of, that Eritrea might be teaching others a Good Example,hence,labelled as : “A Threat of Good Example to Others”.
    Have no clue what his intention is.
    The only issue we have to debate should be as to how to improve the path to Self-Reliance.
    Another FACT is that,irrespective all the obstacles and sanctions,threats,etc—Eritrea,PFDJ,for that matter,has/have survived against all ODDS and that for itself should be a success story and Self-Reliance.
    We can talk about some Policy Adjustments for a better result.
    This guy is talking about small offices and lack of computers—while he is fully aware of the constraints that the country is going through.
    I cannot comprehend his logic–other than the usual hate rhetoric–due to his guilty feeling.
    Does he have any clue about the EPLF success stories about Self reliance or if he was not born during that era,what about the 1991-1997 success stories?
    The Ideology he is lecturing us seems to me a “Perfect Ideology” but the debate should be as to apply it to have good results.

  • tes

    Dawiton,

    You might be far from the concept of self-reliance, but, you got first hand testimony from Amanuel and I will add current aids.

    – 200 Million euros were given to PFDJ for the establishment of the new Eritrean colleges in 2003
    – African Development bank funded recent infrastructural developments of the colleges and in human resource developments
    – Many IFAD spomsored agricultural projects
    – many EU funds to developmental projects
    – UNHCR funds
    – WHO funds in health sector
    – EU funds in food securities and fishery sector developments
    – Chinese government support in building Adi-keih college

    many many many (If you are in doubt, please search them on goal for the named projects.

    Don’t try to fool for innocent people for your blind mentioning.

    As a person, I believe on Self-Reliance, but self-reliance is not what you are trying to pop for us.

    • SM

      Using properly what you were provided wirh but in your own that fits the interest of the Nation is also “Self Reliance”.
      Do not go into the extremes and metaphysics,for the sake of your convenience…Every thing is relative.
      .FYI,
      The USA and the EU confirmed to themselves that each and every penny they sent to Eritrea has been properly utilized and even some funds were refunded to the EU and to the USA.
      The left over wheat that was sitting in the Aseb Port was paid in cash to the USA after bullying and threatening Eritrea on behalf if its Puppet Gov of Ethiopia after the border war.
      That itself is Self Reliance,at least in Principle.
      I am afraid of,that you are being lost or getting confused.

      • tes

        SM,

        Self-reliance as a tool in nation building is great idea. The question we may ask is how open is the system to Self-reliance? What I am trying to search is on the ideological connections and how it is implemented.

        Self-reliance, as far as I think is not to close yourself. It is to be the master of your policies, strategies and programs. then of course, at project level you need finance. And these finance could be generated through different means.

        But, as I see the way PFDJ handles the Self-reliance concept is totally different. When I say totally different, what I mean is, even when there are funds, he supresses the source and declare as it is his. And more is on its application and how you do it. For example, Eritrea has a shortage of high level professionals. then what is the solution for this?

        Either there should be a means to train such professionals or import such professionals. For simple projects, domestic skill can be ok, but for long lasting big projects, experts are needed. PFDJ has completed a number of projects which could be accepted at international level simply because of their low quality. For the sake of Self-reliance to deny such expert contribution is fatal as far as I think.

        But yes, the nation should be self relaint in its ideological generation, policies, strategies, programs and projects first.

        Thank you!

    • dawit

      Eritrea never declared that they will not accept a genuine helping hand in its effort to develop its economy. What it reject is a handout with string attached to it where the donor take over your national project based on his or her interest. Eritrea want to be a master of its development path. As to the amount a few millions dollars or Euros you listed is a chicken feed relative to what they owe us. The United Nation and its affiliate should have paid billions as a compensation if there was a fair judge in this world. They put Eritreans in to hell with their decision when they denied us our right for national independence right after WW II. Even today we are entitled to receive as members of those organizations, without the compensation for the wrong they did to us, by providing arms and feeding the Ethiopian army.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Haw dawit,
    Oh my God! You can’t name their ideology. Again Nihnan Elamanan is not an Ideology. It is only a proclamation and declaration why they are splitting from ELF. It was more grievances in its content than an ideological vision. The saddest part is after defining “ideology” which you did correctly, you can’t come up with one that identify EPFDJ ideology. Besides it is very sad, you to defend to an organization you couldn’t even tell us its ideology. Even if you try to explain how they practice, but you still failed to identify on what ideological basis is all their practices. Very scary! If dawit who sound and seem educated can’t even question those basic question, to prob the essence of the PFDJ party, and the basis of its ideological philosophy. I am really scared like a hell. A people who fought for over thirty years can even differentiate between principle, policy, and ideology. That is why people keep mixing those theoretical concepts when they debate.

    Do you know dawit, I salute Tesfaberhan (tes) who brought this provoking ideas in a way our people (who understand politics is about lies) can learn the “basics of politics” and it’s different “tenants”, and one of them is – politics is about how people administer and govern themselves based on certain ideological philosophy. Tes again thank you and welcome to the website of enlightenment. Keep up the flow please, Eritreans are learning if not directly but indirectly. You know what I mean by that.

    • tes

      You are very welcome and Thank you dear Amanuel

      And I can clearly see people like dawit are wasting their golden time just in
      popping the already finished projects.

      people like Dawit need enlightnment on the discourse of politics. Not only
      Dawit, but the PFDJ followers especially the YPFDJ.

      Dawit has got the definition of an ideology from a dictionary, but he could be
      able to question the definition by itself though I gave him a hint on how to
      bissect the definition.

      I fell happy that such fellow citizens will benefit, at least, it will be an
      initiation for their search. Sure, if they search they will know more and more.
      Only then, they can be adherants or opposants.

      it is enough with those blind advocates.

    • dawit

      Dear Amanuel
      first I am not lecturing to you or anybody else. All I am doing is share my
      opinion based on my observations and experience but if you don’t like my
      opinion no problem ignore it and move on. I could have ignored what you wrote
      but for sake of closing this ‘debate’ I will conclude with following
      remarks. As I tried to trace the Eritrean Self- Reliance philosophy or
      ‘ideology’ to the founding fathers of Eritrean independence. As Eritrean struggle
      continued through armed rebellion and has been evolving since that time.
      Nihinan Elamanan is one of the evolutions in the middle of the armed struggle.
      It radically changed the previous faulty path of “Eritrea as an Arab
      state’ by ELF justifying that Arabs obligation to help them. That concept of
      Eritrean Arabism did not rest well with Eritrean Christian population. Haile
      Selassie exploited it and prepared for it by recruiting the Christian
      highlanders into his Comandos army intensifying to kill Eritreans using
      Eritreans. That policy might have ignited a division within EL.F radically
      changed the direction of Eritrean Independence struggle to its original line of
      an Eritrean Struggle as versioned by the founding fathers, the Unity of
      Eritreans of both dominant religions. EPLF started to attract first Christians but
      also Moslems beyond Metahit who were hesitant to join the armed struggle. This
      also forced the front to relay on the Eritrean people for its resources, away
      from being dependent on Arab support intensifying the ‘Self Reliance’ strategy.
      Therefore the document was not only an explanation why EPLF separated itself from
      ELF but it was also a call for Eritrean people to unite and stand against
      Ethiopian colonization. Sure the document weeded out that faulty line of ELF
      united Eritreans and reached its goal of Independence in 1991.Therefore Self
      Reliance is an ideology created by Eritreans based on their centuries old chains
      of occupation and not something grafted from North Korea.

      Peace

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    dawit (not to confuse you with Dawit with our cartoonist),

    Please don’t lecture us about the self-reliance of our Revolution. I don’t know whether you were there in the revolution ( during the ghedli era). I was on the receiving end of the foreign aids representing for ELF with my counterparts EPLF members (names reserved for now). Ask for the EPLF members who were working on the receiving end at the Sudanese port ” Port-Sudan” – port of the delivery. They will tell you that we we were getting military and economic aids (food supplies) from the western countries (through their proxy countries) and Arab countries.

    Did we snatched armored vehicles, tanks, and light weapons from the enemy in a protracted and fierce battles in the process of liberating our country? Yes we did. But the main source of our war machines and food supplies are the Arab countries and some an indirect supply from western countries. So don’t lecture us as if our ghedli has purely succeed by self-reliance.

    Even the current government, you can go and make your own study, you will find that they can’t stand on their feet or feed the public without the help of international aids. Check with the EU or certain NGOs. What they do is they allow them when they are hit with famine and droughts and expel them when they feel to do that by claiming of unwarranted interference in their policy. All the “self-reliance” issue is for domestic political consumption only. Just check every project in Eritrea that hasn’t any foreign fund invested (be it small or big) to it. We could give the “due respect” to the Eritrean people for their courage, patriotism, and sacrifice for what the believe in. They believe on liberating their country with a “united commitment” and they actualized it. What the Eritrean people failed now is, how to fight your own dictator who tore the fabric of our society, erased the culture of humanity and civility, decimated their economic life, and who cultivated the culture of arrogance and intolerance into the way of life of our society. Dawit, PFDJ has brought alien culture to our society and the public is repugnant and repulsive to it. If you don’t see this in front of your eye, there is something wrong with you.

    • Guet

      40 Years (hibernating) away from Eritrea, and you claim you know something about Eritrea? Your contribution in meda towards Eritrean independence is negligent, compared to what EPLF/PFDJ and the Eritrean people went through all the way to the finish line in 1991 and beyond.What is worse, you chose to be bed wormer of Woyanie when Eritrea is free. That is cheap. And trash talk here means nothing to us
      Don’t you feel shame, for rying to cheat and deceive the neive and the young? Even age did not manage to teach you one or two things decent

      • tes

        Guest,

        Don’t try to escape from the main line. I know attacking is the main way of dissolving ideas according to PFDJ. But, now we are enough of it. Consciousness is a matter of time and hope one day you will get the light unless you might need 40 years to sit under a tree [like Budha] of go to Debre Bizen monastry to get enlightened. I will not wish you the nakfa cadre school for acceptable reasons.

        • Guet

          Moderator: Guet, we would like to put you on the whitelist so that we do not have to moderate your comments. You need to help us here. As it is, you are a bit generous with your attacks–which is a violation. Kindly slow it down.}

          You know what? I wrote something to you yesterday when you put your self in the line of fire, trying to answer some questions meant to be for amanuel Hidrat. I am not sure whay, but it looks the hose is cultivating another XXXXX (Haile being the other)
          Here, let me be frank with you. Neither the point you are trying to pass makes sense, nor the english you trying to convey your messege is ligible or understandable. And I don’t know what the people in this forum are replying to.
          I tried to read few of your initial comments, and a few lines from your first article was enaugh for me to see that you need to go back to school (Both academic ans social), sorry….
          But here is a quetion for you: You went to PFDJ cadre school, you claimed to have participated i the developments of the Eritrean colleges, and you were trusted enough to be sent to China to study in 2012. So, if you are not HGDF, who is?
          Right now you seem to be high with all the attention and what not, but next time don’t you come in the line of fire, as you have alot of things to learn

          • tes

            Guet,

            I will try to be and I thank you for your brotherly and timely advice.

            And for your last comments, as any other graduate assistant, I had to continue my higher studies, it has nothing to do with being HGDF or not. After spending 6 years in college, then, either the higher board should had fired me or sent me for higher studies which they did the later. Imagine that now I am 31 and still a student. If everything was smooth, by now I could have finished my PhD. I was forced to wait 8 years just to have a masters and this is is what I am fighting for. People’s FREDOM in all spheres of life.

            And for the cadre school, yes I went there in 2008, not by my choice, but on list base. the school had to submit 12 staff members at that time and I was included in the list. for good, this is what it helped me to know their school and teaching methodology. And as a result, I am trying to explore the PFDJ mind set based my experiences through my stay in Eritrea and the materials that I am reading.

            And sending graduate assistants to cadre school is one of PFDJ’s agenda to brainwash and install their ideological pathst, which is part of my article’s interest. To politicize all Eritrean youths and to make us worshipers.

            the rest, is ok I am learning and hope I will be good after soon.

    • Saba

      “Eritreans are learning if not directly but indirectly. You know what i
      mean by that.” This is an insult to our smart elders who know who to
      support, which party, without knowing their ideology. There are some of
      us (Eritreans) who did not get education of any kind for many reasons,
      one of them being poverty. You might be a smart professor but i think
      you still should be HUMBLE. This is the second time i see such kind of
      behavior from you.

      • Saba

        It is good that you have removed that post.

    • dawit

      Amanuel you want to write a revised Eritrean armed struggle and in the process sanitize the unfortunate history of ELF. True I was not in the armed liberation struggle, but I followed it closely and have made financial contributions. I am also witnessed thousands Eritrean raise money for the struggle, people working as maids, taxi drivers, waitresses, bas boys and many professions. There were Eritrean Relief organizations raising funds and few progressive political organizations and individuals in Europe and Australia that donated fund for drought relief purposes. I am surprised you mentioned that most of the arms came from the Arab countries and not from Mengistu’s army. Please see several videos Mengistu lamenting the loss his weapons to EPLF.Now, which Arab country gave weapon to Eritrea openly. Libya? Yemen? Egypt? Sudan? Syria? Iraq?. Saudi Arabia? In those days I have read Kuwait donating few millions to Eritrea but never heard supplying arms to Eritrea. Some may have marginal political support to the Eritrean struggle. They had their proffered and close cousins the Palestinian’s where they put billions paying them to fight Israel. I waiting to read your revised Eritrean history book. You seem to agree completely with Haile Selassie and Mengistu’s version of the Eritrean struggle hired by Arabs!

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    dawit,
    With that definition, can you give the name of the “Ideology” of PFDJ…….like the common ideology we are aware of…..communist ideology, socialist ideology, capitalist ideology, or Juche ideology. In the answers you gave me to my questions they are either principles or policies which by the way that those policies have killed our nation and dehumanized our people badly. Your answer shouldn’t be based “I think” when you are defending the policy and the ideology of the party whether you are member or not. Debates are on clear knowledge and stand on the subject you are debating.

    Since it is hard for you to answer my question as you mentioned in your response to me (regarding to their ideology), you can’t answer the rest of my questions as they are question based and resulted from their ideology. In fact your attempt is purely focused not how PFDJ ideological functions, but instead it was on how their policy functions. The general public can only see the policy in practice because policy doesn’t explain ideology. Their followers can be fed on how to defend the policies. All your answers sounds like their defense mechanism to the flaw of their policies. You did’t give me any answer that is different than the mouthpiece of the party. If you are in politics and I believe we are talking the “politics of governing and its consequences” or the “ideology of governing” you can’t debate by what you think about them but by what they are in real sense.

    -If you distorted the reasons why sanction are applied to Eritrea ( Eritrea was caught working with non-state actors and destabilizers like Alshebab and the fact it provoke war with Dijbuti)
    – If you distorted the reasons of mass exodus of our young (which is modern slavery).
    – If you believe the reasons of the regime on holding us to function on constitutional laws and rule of laws.
    – if you want to to debate on “I think” and not on ” I know” there is no bases to continue to debate with you. I want to debate on what you know and not on what you think (particularly with emphasis) when we debate about the regime we have and the current predicament of our nation.

    Last Tes didn’t tell us that “self-reliance” started in North korea. Since self-reliance is fashioned in different ways, he tried to prove and show us that the “Issayasist self-reliance” is the same as that of the self-reliance of Juche ideology in North Korea that started in 1972. If you are able to disprove it we have ear to listen. Otherwise Issayas hasn’t his own philosophy……… you can’t par for a man who doesn’t believe on education and educators with philosophers. dawit Hisebelu de’a.

    • dawit

      What a debate, you picked one word “I think” and dodged the subject and wasted the whole cyber space on it. If you have ear to listen and eyes to see Isaias have been speaking of his beliefs and ideology he follows since the late 1960 ‘Nihinan Elamanan’, if you want to hear from the horse’s mouth. I gave what I think about them. Do you think an idea can originate in from peoples or leaders of small nations like Eritrea? No what good can come from people of the ‘Dark Continent’!

  • Rodab

    Tes,

    I don’t know if that is an educated guess or a hard datum, but yeah the 60% self-sufficiency during good rainfall seasons seems credible. While on the subject, the water reservation of Sawa and its environs is something of a wonder to me. The area is pretty dry and gets very limited rainfall every year. Yet, for 20 years now, the place supports the water needs of tens of thousands of national service members at any given time. This is not including the various local and governmental irrigations and other projects sprawled all over the places.

    Tes, btw, since you are quite familiar with the various construction companies, may I recommend you write an article on the subject? Many of us have heard the fancy names of these companies such as Seghen, Ghedem, Rodab, Musa Ali, Bidho, Debwin, Homin, Asbeco, Haben, Mereb, Badme… But I don’t believe we have the basic understanding of what they do, or if they have specific areas of specialities etc.. I would love to learn something about this.

    • tes

      Hi Rodan, it is not an educated guess, it is a statistical data from the minsitry of Agriculture, 60% is so far.

      Lets not forget that the potential is high if managed, applied and exploited in a more sustainable way.

    • Tesfabirhan Weldegabir Redie

      Hi Rodab, as a graduate of agricultural engineering and worked as a lecturer in the only exisiting agricultural college since 2006 till 2012, I can say many on the agricultural system, and as you are curious to know about the companies that are working inside Eritrea, let me clear one thing for you, they are PFDJ’s company that do not have fixed objectives and time duration. But, I can say in some companies (companies like RODABB vanished now) and some emerging companies. Hope some other Eritreans who have an inner knowledge on the working principles and guidances will come up and enlihghten us. But, they are just meant to fulfill the dreams of DIA. Engineering and economics is far from them.

      I could give you some provoking ideas on your own search. and as for me, I will try to write some more articles targeting the PFDJ structures. I have a series of articles that I will publish here hoping that they can contribute something.

      thank you!

    • Hope

      Mr Nice and Diplomat-Rodab,
      So,something GOOD is being done,right Rodab,and despite all the obstacles and sanctions?That is what we call Self-Reliance In Action!!
      Any chance of visitinng the old Orotta Hospital–in Sahel-.?The Pharmaceutical Industry in Sahel?The artificial Corneal/ Lense Industry in the old Sahel?
      The wonderful Multi-purpose Garages during the old good days of EPLF era–where all the Tanks.the BM-21s,etc— were being modified to fit the needs of our Mechanized Brigades,to the extent of making the static Tanks to run over the Mountains?-
      Have you seen the Gherset—and other Dams nearby in Gash Barka?
      The new ones like Ghergher?The one being built near Mendefera area and the two ones near Asmara?.
      What about the success stories of the New Orotta School of Medicine and Dentistry,which literally changed the whole game of Health Care in Eritrea–just within 10yrs.?No Nation has done this to my best knowledge;and all these success with limited resources and Internal Capacity; and despite the crippling Sanctions?
      What about the micro-dams, roads,the Schools,the Hospitals, the Health Centers,the Clinics,the Colleges,etc—being built every where with limited resources and despite all the sanctions??—
      The quality will come soon when resources are available—if that is the question?We will then build bigger offices for thounsands of Staff members,not just for 77 people;4th Generations Computers and advanced Research Labs,etc–Regional Univesrsities–lijke Nacfa Univ,Dankalia Univ,Red Sea Univ,Keren Univ,Gash Barka Univ,Emba Soira Univ-etc–will come soon.
      That is what we call “Self- Reliance in Action!!
      Let us be FAIR and try to be able to call a spade,a spade.
      There is no perfect system or ideology in the world let alone in Africa-.But that does not mean that we should let the PFDJ to keep us hostages of its misgovernance and our struggle should be directed towards real change – so as to improve things and to reclaim what belongs to us and to keep that Spirit of Self-Reliance alive and practical and more succesful.
      Let’s be optimistic and pragmatic…

      • Rodab

        Lol Hope. Me a diplomat? Thanks but I don’t think so. That was a title I granted to H.E. SaleH Johar.
        Btw, you do make good points with many of your comments. Keep it up. I think you’re dominating. nbeAl Hailat ab mesmerom te’etwom alekha 🙂

        • Hope

          Thanks.
          Agreed,I have given SG Johar,a respect he deserves many times

  • haile

    Selam Awatista,

    I was just following an interesting discussions between dawit, tes and Aman, keep it up guys. But the last video by tes of a YPFDJ gwayla has reminded me one I saw yesterday too. Apparently there is a new Tinglish for “teletubbies” in “ማንኪ ወዲ ማንኪ” and a song to go with it…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKw80lEoCsk

    • Hope

      But you are not even close to building any Youth Group let alone to similar to this ONE. —–

  • tes

    dawitom,

    Let me give you, so far, during good times, Eritrea can secure only 60% of its annual food demand. I am saying during good rainy season, and during draught you can imagine.

    And you said, I should have been proud, wait my next volume.

    One thing to make you sure, I am proud of being an Eritrea and I believe Eritrea has lots of resource potential. The only problem is PFDJ’s practice. For the last 23 years, deforestation has decreased and erosion became more and more severe.

    I will just give you a simple example, suppose a micro-dam is constructed in Anseba region. This microdam is fully sedimented within 1 or maximum 2 years. I can send you pictures if you are interested on this. Then what are you trying to say.

    Water along river Sawa is now getting depleted from time to time. And this time, the water wells are very deep enough where some farms are forced to stop functioning. And, Afimbol agro-industry is decreasing its productivity because of salt and un-wise management.

    Elabered Agro-industry, once a well known exporting agro-industry, is almost non-productive. gerset-dam, which I personally participated in its construction is almost a failed project, first because of its design and second the use of the dam for agriculure. Fanko-dam the same,

    Oh many many.

    I am not hatred of PFDJ, I am analysisng PFDJ’s mind-set, the driving force behind him, the ideology that drove to such failed system.

    Self-reliance is not an ideology by itself, it is within the ideology. get a clear line.

    • haile

      Thank you tes, this is the kind of analysis we should have: point by point, real time and specific. I have an additional angle on some of the poor design works that we witness in things that are done at home. It may be to do with the “isolationist” think pattern of the regime. The ideology of paranoia towards outsiders (including that of closing of the only academic place with inl. accreditation) means that they have nothing to compare with and are only racing solo to beat their own record. There was a French NGO worker that I knew long time ago. He is married to a Kunama lady from Eritrea and was working during the time where a banana cash crop production was piloted. He advised them of the damage they were doing to the soil based on their system (I have no expertise in the area) and he was thrown out of the country. Recently, the EriFish processing facilities were given maintenance report that has shown total neglect in the handling and maintaining of various machines for refrigeration and other tasks, As I posted yesterday the Eritrean Airlines was spotted flying with doors unlatched from Paris to Leeds. The regime believes in isolation from the whole world that allegedly is conspiring to reverse our independence and it is doing it for them faster than they could hope for. It is funny how they detect “hate” when they sense us that we only have PFDJ/IA hate, yet they can’t understand it when that is all they have to offer the rest of our region and globe by way of external diplomacy! Good points anyway.

      • Guet

        “.. It is funny how they detect “hate” when they sense us that we only have PFDJ/IA hate…”

        Yea, right! This is coming form a guy who has trouble differentiating the “Woyanie – hate” , from “Tigray hate” . And he never fails to accuse the whole Erirean people of haters/racists, for asking Woyanie to abide by law and leave Eritrean soil
        Try again
        ..

    • dawit

      Dear Professor tes;

      You claimed “Eritrea can secure only 60% of its annual food demand. I am saying during good rainy season, and during draught you can imagine.” What does that mean?

      I may not be an Agricultural expert like you but I have some idea about agriculture and water resource management. So are you trying to revive the old argument?. Eritrea can not support itself therefore it should not be an independent nation, it has to be joined with Ethiopia or Sudan countries considered to be ‘Bread Basket of Africa and the Middle East” in theory but both are the basket cases of African failed states. Sudan thanks to the wind fall of oil, they are feeding themselves and Ethiopia due to the generous food aid program of the West. Yes Eritrea is located in the Sahellian zone of Africa, where drought is frequent and that is not the fault of PFDJ. On the contrary Eritrean government is doing its best to reverse the expansion of the Sahara desert south, through Soil Conservation and reforestation, constructions of above and underground dams to collect rain water, increase the below ground water recharge projects. You claimed dams get filled with silt in few years, and soil salinity problems of irrigated farms. Then again what is the solution? Again soil and water conservation
      projects. PFDJ is not to be blamed for centuries of soil erosion, overgrazing deforestation and poverty problems in general in Eritrea and one cannot expect the problem to end in a decade. PFDJ is trying their best to tackle the problem short of miracle to alleviate the problems, through many soil and water resource management practices, something the opposition mocks daily as ‘Slave Labor’.

      I look forward to read you next article on the subject..

  • tes

    Guest,

    We have more than enough listings for almost 2 decades like what you are putting.

    Let’s go the MIND behind this. the soft-power (the ideology) that is making you to argue like this. An ideology that triggered the PFDJ mind-set.

  • tes

    Good Dawitino,

    Then lets pickpoint the main points of an ideology according to your referred definition,

    – It is visionary theorizing

    1. Then, EPLF’s and later PFDJ visionary theory: “To build a Self-reliant revolution” – good,

    My Reflection and questioning: I am asking, is it their origional concept? Whether they applied it or adopted as a system is next. And only we can dig out how much they applied and HOW, where, why… all WH questions.

    2. National Identity

    3. National security

    4. International relationships etc

    And my reflectiions are written one by one, just you need to have your own analysis, not just scenarios list.

    – Manner or content of thinking of an individual, group, or culture:

    What was the manner of thinking in EPLF’s and later PFDG’s political, economical and social approach?

    The youth culture (take for example current YPFdJ vision), The Yikeal-warsay culture (A relationship of master-serf relationship – a [god] -yikealo, and warsay [the listner, observer, practitioner, worshiper, slave], the Eritrean culture (Think of the distorted cultural performance during EXPOs and Gedli-culture],

    – At last the definition says, theories and aims that constitutes a socio-political program.

    I will leave it for you to put your reflections.

    That is what I am talking about.

    And then from ideology, Policies are drawn, from policies strategies and from strategies programs and finally programs.

    Then list some of the PFDJ’s policies;

    For example,

    1. Macroeconomic policies
    2. Land policy
    3. Agricultural policies
    4. National security policies, etc

    And then bissect these policies and analys them and then go to PFDJ’s strategies. Oh, am I lecturing you? Sorry for that, I was a lecturer and that is why I am trying to make it clear for you.

    Thanks
    Tesfabirhan

    • dawit

      Thanks Professor tes
      for the free lecture. However your lecture is based on blind hate to the
      Eritrean Leadership. You could not see the Eritrean vision where it started,
      where it was, where it is now and where it is heading. Let me give you my
      lecture if you are patient to listen and learn a bit of Eritrean history and
      ideology. It started in 1940s, right after WW II, by visionary people like Abrahim Sultan, Woldeab Woldemariam and others with ‘Eritrea for Eritreans’, not for Turks, not for Egyptians, not for Italians, not for British, not for Ethiopians or any outside
      ruler or colonizer, white, brown or black. They vision a country where its
      people, Moslems, Christians, Jews and Gentiles, the land lords and land less
      live in harmony. They were denied and rejected by powerful countries big and
      small to have their own country peacefully. As a last resort they pick arms to
      form their country sacrificing everything they have ‘Self-Reliance’, but once
      again the world want to reverse their independence and that is where Eritrea is
      defending its national independence by any means again ‘Self-Reliance’. Eritreans work hard and play hard, any problem with that?

      • dine

        speaking of ‘self-reliance’, did you aware of this recent news from UAE, ”UAE red crescent authority distributes clothing for 5,000 children in six ERITREA PROVINCES”.

  • tes

    Hello Dawit,

    First, I would kindly ask you to correct your statement that says, “… from Hope and pretend that he never heard of the French…” You are not me and you can not be the pychoanalysis of tes. I wrote that more than a decade Eritrea was labeled as North Korea of Africa. Who first said it, I didn’t have any idea (I am talking about the first mouth word), therefore, don’t be a prostitute of conceived pschology.

    As the others, may be to thank a person or a group is SHAME for you as your comrades (PFDJ). and that is why you hated that. Three words save a life, to give you words of wisdom Dawitino, Sorry, thanks and please (In french, Desole, merci et pardon). Learn this words, they are the majic words in life, for what ever it is.

    To come back, you said, “After Eritreans started their struggle, in early 1970s Issaias Afwerki,
    Vice Secretary of EPLF, from the trenches of Sahel gave an interview and
    declared “Self Reliance is the order of the day.” Yes he said it. But is he his words? This is my simple question.

    To your highlight, all revolutionaries, especially those who follow the marxist line use it and it is what they read from their master of the marxism ideology. remember that DIA was in China Cadre school in the late 1960’s. At this time, Self-Reliance had a strong base in China. And second, the concept of Juche was long standing in Nirth Korea and came officially in its application as an ideology in 1972. People like you may romantize as if they are “The golden words of DIA” as Eri-TV used to quote him. In fact, as Amanuel Hidrat said more clearly, this is my motive to search. Because, “Golden words are only given to the SAYER, not to the PUPPET, or PAPAGALO.

    But, at the same time, I am not surprized by your puppetism, that is what you are trained for.

    Please, talk on the ideas, not on things.

    • dawit

      tes;

      Please cool down. You are trying to fit a square peg in a circle, Eritrean centuries old history
      and experience into your new discovery of Korean Juchi, Munch kuchi history. I
      challenged you quoting your own written words instead of addressing the issue;
      you change your language from Korean to French and accusing me psychoanalyzing
      you. Please I am not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I am a simple Eritrean
      history observer. I know you hate Isaias and PFDJ and hate has blinded your eyes to see clearly the positive contribution to Eritrean nation. You will not twist Eritrean history with your
      Mambo Jumbo theory. Isaias and PFDJ have left solid history behind them, an Independent
      Eritrea. Amharas saying የትም ፍጪው ዱቀቱን ኣምጪው . PFDJ are still following their Eritrean ideology of Self Reliance, and it is working and the proof is Eritrea is standing on its two fits and moving forward. You claimed to be agriculturist if so you should have been proud of Eritrea’s investment in its soil conservation, reforestation and water conservation projects since independence, healing the country devastated land by century’s chains of occupation,wars and distractions. Despite decades of economic blockade and sanctions Eritrea is not begging food aid like its neighbors with more fertile land and water resources. That is Eritrean Self-Reliance and not juchi, kuchi muchi hateftef.

  • dawit

    Well Amanuel you put few straight questions and let me try my best to answer them without wobbling.

    a) Can you notice any political, economic, or social ailment with the way our nation is governed? The short and straight answer is yes a lot of them. We do not have a constitution. We don’t have a parliament. We don’t have presidential elections. We do not have independent news outlets. Our economy is poor and our standard of living is very low compared to many nations around the world.

    b) What is the ideology of the ruling party in Eritrea?

    It is hard to give you a straight answer, since I am not part of the governing body but I will try to give you my best guess. From my limited knowledge and limited personal observation of Eritrea, first it was to gain its independence through peaceful means, it did not work the UN in 1950’s decided that Eritreans don’t deserve independence, because they cannot support economically, the choices were to divide them between Sudan. To gain their independence they have to go through heel alone. And now to preserve and safeguard Eritrea’s independence they have to do it alone by all means. It seems it is a continuation of the ideology of the armed struggle that Eritrea has to rely on itself to preserve its independence. Eritrea’s location along the Red Sea has exposed it for centuries of foreign occupation can only and be safeguarded by Eritrean sacrifices, just like its independence that was secured by Eritrean people sacrifices. Perhaps if Eritrea was located somewhere in the middle Sahara, it might not attract so many hostilities from all around. The rest of the world still wants to prove that Eritrea cannot stand by itself, and we want to disprove that through tremendous sacrifices that other nations don’t have to go through.

    c) Do you notice the standard of living in Eritrea is going downhill, far worse before the 90s? That standard of living is relative? Whose standard of living? Some gained with independence and others lost. There were many areas in Eritrea that did not have basic service like schools, health clinics, drinking water etc before independence to day many have limited access to such services. There are shortages of basic necessities, as the result of external deliberate actions or sanctions planned to weaken the present Eritrean government in collaboration of, Eritrean opposition movements. Those problems would have been placed on Eritrea even if angels were to rule it, unless they are willing to surrender the control of the Red Sea whoever want to have it. Like any part of the world those individuals who support the government gains and those who oppose it lose. But given the conditions in many Sub-Saharan African nations and other places in south East Asia and Middle East, there is relative peace in Eritrea. How much monetary value do we assign to peace? Do you think chaos under democracy better than peace under dictatorship?
    d) How do you account the fall out of our nation? Our nation is not falling. It is standing on its two feet despite the tremendous hardship put under by the international community. The nation which was left to die and buried is standing and walking. Its speed has been curtailed, again deliberately to prove that Eritrea does not deserve to remain as peaceful nation.
    e) Do you believe on constitutionalism and rule of law? If yes why is it on hold not to be governed by that?
    Yes I believe on constitutionalism and rule of law, but not at the expense of abolishing Eritrean Independence as a nation. I can give few examples why nation abandon their constitution and rule of law when their national security is threatens from outside or inside. Let’s take U.S. which is considered as the beacon of liberty, constitution and ‘Rule of Law’ abandoned it when it was felt threatened by Japanese invasion during the WW II. They imprisoned all U.S. Citizens of Japanese origin in concentration camps including women and children. They released them only after U.S. emerged as victorious. Why? Why did U.S. abandon its constitution and rule of law to put its law abiding citizens in detention camps? Did U.S. draft its citizens to go to war? Why U.S. did introduced coupons to ration basic necessities like food and sugar etc.? Why U.S. did introduced the Patriot Act to detain many citizens of Arab origins after 911?
    Do you believe Eritrea as a nation has external threat that endangers its National security as a nation?
    You last comment “just a scoop for your food of thought. Self-reliance as “concept” not as an “ideology” started in 1830, written as an essay by transcendentalist philosopher Ralph W. Emerson. Thanks for the food, so you think that Self-reliance was created by Ralph and not Kim of North Korea as tes wanted us to believe. I leave the historical controversy of the origin of ‘Self Reliance’ concept or ideology to tes and let me deal with the rest of your statements.
    “Not in the mountain of Sahel as you try to attribute to the evil man of our nation”. That is where you and I completely disagree. I can smell you hatred of Isaias, coming from your brain passing to your fingers at your keyboard, travelling through the cyber space as electronic bits, engulfing my room. You don’t want to give an ounce of credit to his leadership in the Eritrean national armed struggle. That is Okay because the leadership was collective effort of many Eritreans who sacrificed themselves to achieve Independence, may be collectively reach a point that the Eritrean struggle need to depend on its own resources and not on their rich uncles of the East or West. You said “The evil man of our nation”. If Isaias is evil, then by association the Eritrean people are evil according to your logic, because you admit he came from ‘Our Nation’. Isaias is a product of Eritrea; he was not made in North Korea and shipped to the mountain of Sahel. If Isaias is evil those who motivated him to join the struggle, people like Abrahim-Sultan, Woldeab and Awate must have been also ‘evil men’ that put evil ideas in the mind of young Isaias. I totally disagree with your description of Isaias as evil, he is an Eritrean leader who is doing his best what he think right to the good of the nation. That is my straight answers to your question waiting to read your straight responses.

    • tes

      Dawitino,

      Could you define what an “IDEOLOGY” is please.

      Just to remind you, Ideology is not a scenario/ or scenarios.

      • dawit

        Hi tes;

        Thanks, Merci beaucoup for your offer to teach me the meaning of ‘Ideology’. Unfortunately I don’t know the guchi, chuchi, muchi language. I already know Tigre, Tigrigna, Amaharic and English a little Arabic to trade tea and bread, few Italian insults and thanks to you I have started learning French Desole, merci et pardon !.

        According to the English Merriam-Webster that I just goggled online dictionary the definition of ideology is visionary theorizing; a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture; a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture; the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program. Is there any thing you can add to this?

    • Guet

      Nice one dawit!

  • Ismail

    This is a good read. Thank you but please make sure you use quotes when you are not using your own words. Though you cited the main source for your article, you include whole paragraphs without quotation marks (perhaps unwittingly).
    I would have alerted you to it privately if you had included an email with the article. Please feel free to contact me (ismailomar10@gmail.com ) if what I am saying is not clear to you…..
    With appreciation.
    Ismail (pointblank)

    • tes

      Hello Ismail,

      Thank you and you are right that I wrote the who paragraph. It may not be wise to do that, but my main intention is to write my reflections and connect the paper (article written) with that of Eritrean case. therefore, I did it intentionally and the origional paper quotes will help for readers to have their own enrichement too. As I repeatedly wrote, my main theme is people to search like me on the course of PFDJ mind-set and mine is just one mind.

      and my e-mail is tesfabirhanw@yahoo.com, I will be happily in contact with you and feel free to send me your critics or views. Many thanks.

      • Ismail

        Selamat Tes,
        I suspected it was unintentional. Hopefully, we all will be careful about properly acknowledging our sources and enclosing in quotes when we reproduce verbatim the words of others. In the copy/paste world of today, this is a pitfall that we must all keep vigilant about.
        Thanks for taking this maturely and thanks also for providing your email. I await with interest the continuation….
        Ismail (pointblank)

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam dawit,

    In order to know how to engage you, I will give you few questions. And then we will start from that. Here are my questions: (a) Can you notice any political, economic, or social ailment with the way our nation is governed? If yes what are those ailments ? If no, why are the Eritrean people leaving the nation in droves then? What is the ideology of the ruling party in Eritrea? Do you notice the standard of living in Eritrea is going down hill, far worse before the 90s? How do you account the fall out of our nation? Do you believe on constitutionalism and rule of law? If yes why is it on hold not to be governed by that?

    But just a scoop for your food of thought. Self-reliance as “concept” not as an “ideology” started in 1830, written as an essay by transcendentalist philosopher Ralph W. Emerson. Not in the mountain of Sahel as you try to attribute to the evil man of our nation. The concept was taken by the socialist countries and feature it in the way that fits their circumstances. Let me stop there until you answer my questions. Don’t try to wobble, I need straight answer.

    • Guet

      Few questions to you from the Eritrean side too. (You can add them to your reply to dawit)
      1. Did you vote on the Eritrean referendum? if not, why? inocent answer please
      2. After EPLF kicked you out of Eritrea (Dismantled your system, you partyof whatever), what did you in particular and the ELF in general did untill independence (1991)? the question is more, like what contribution you and your group did to help towards Eritrean independence during those times (!981-1991)
      3. Ethiopia is your turf now, Woyanie is back bone and the evil ex-woyanie leader you God. We know tht much. Now the question me and almost the majority of Eritreans want to know is : what is the logic behind woyanies sitting on Eritrean soil? they always say it is a baren land, you always say they are focusing on economic stuff, so what is behind the badme thing? are they doing it in favor of you (Good for nothing so called opposition)? to weaken PFDJ, so that you can ride easy? or is there something else that they need or want? regime change in Eritrea alone, can not and is not the only reason, so common now, out with it
      4. Just as a continuation of 3, say we are crazy enough to tell Woyanie “OK, take Badime nihalalku, and buzz off, and be good neighbour”…..do you think, woyanie will stop is ways of choking Eritrea, fabrications, sanctions and what not, and may be kiss you behind?
      5. Who wants the no war no peace and chocking of Eritrea more? you (So called opposition) or woyanie themselves? I mean, with out the border war crisis, dis you have in your wildest dreams to even talk about Eritrea though you were hibernating all those 1981-1991?
      5. If the constitution is to be implemented tomorrow, how should the eritrean people handle the treason some people on your end commited by sleaping with woyanie, while precious Eritrean children were dying in the border

  • hope

    Thank you Dawitom:
    Courtesy of dawit/Time magzine.
    “By logic, the Nation of Eritrea (pop.3 million) should not exist. The secessionist province’s independence fighters ought never to have defeated Ethiopia in their 30-year-long struggle. They were outmanned, outgunned, abandoned or betrayed by every ally; their cause was hopeless. They won by force of character, a unity and determination so steely not all the modern armaments, super power support or economic superiority of Ethiopia could withstand it. The spirit that saw the Eritreans through 10 years
    in the trenches of their mountain redoubt at Nakfa has built them a Nation from scratch; since independence was finally consummated in 1993.”
    Who else could say it better if the “Time Magazine”,the mouth piece of the same Giant,which has been part of the worst “Odds”?
    That Spirit will live forever,even if if “intellectulas” like Tes and Emma and their enemy,the so called PFDJ, tries to hijack that unique spirit built on:”They won by force of character, a unity and determination so steely not all the modern armaments, super power support or economic superiority of Ethiopia could withstand it. The spirit that saw the Eritreans through 10 years
    in the trenches of their mountain redoubt at Nakfa has built them a Nation from scratch; since independence was finally consummated in 1993.”
    Aman:
    No never–we will never “capitulate”,promise!
    That is me—I believe in Truth and Justice more than any body else,sorry for my fuss,as I am not a politician

    • tes

      Hope,

      what is Justice for you?

  • dawit

    Eritrean
    new intellectuals’ prostitution of ideas starts with Tesfaberahan search for
    PFDJ ideology of ‘Self Reliance’.. He travelled for ten years starting from Nakfa
    all the way to North Korea and discovered a new language of Juche, Chaaiju,
    Charip and Chawi for the new Eritrean generation to learn as the source of
    their country ideology and discover lost relatives , Grandfather Kim Il Sung, Uncle
    Kim Jong-il and Cousin Kim Jong-un .

    Amanuel Hidrat pick the new language and declared it “ Excellent analysis. First of its kind in
    compare and contrast of PFDJ with the DPRK. It is a new angle in the quest of
    identifying the ideology and principle of the man and his party”. Tes responds “.Thank
    you Amanuel and hope I will put my share in dismantling the PFDJ regime in its
    hardware and software”.

    Ali S. picked the hot potato and complement tes “ I appreciate the research you made but it would be more enlightening if you started from neutral grounds rather than doing research to support a preconception.”

    Guest drops by and declared “Here is piece of my search to PFDJ mind-set and I will enrich my search including my theory [Theory of Three Forces in One] in consecutive postings. In my belief “Neautrality Kills” and I don’t follow such principle.

    Hope
    picked the ball of neutrality, complement tes for his analysis and inform tes that he was not the first to
    discover link between Eritrea to uncle Kim Ill Sung but a French journalist who
    coined Eritrea as the “North Korea of Africa”.

    tes
    pick the ball again from Hope and pretend that he never heard of the French
    Journalist and thanks Hope for the information. ”If the French journalist
    is the one who labeled PFDJ’s Eritrea as “North Korea” he was
    absolutely right and my article will be happily devoted to this courageous
    journalist. Even my introduction starts with date people started to similarize
    Eritrea and North Korea I didn’t ‘have information about this journalist before
    but now I thank you for that. He is “Absolutely Right” and I admire
    his enlightening us. Kudos, Kudos, KUDOS!!!”

    dawit’ questioned the historical connection of the newly discovered Korean- Eritrean ‘Self Reliance’
    against the Eritrean Armed Struggle for national independence. He wondered how
    Eritrean indepent leaders fathers Abrahim Sultan, Woldeab Wodemariam and Edris
    Awate etc, challenged Haile Selassie I, the Conquering Lion of Judah of Ethiopia, who was supported by big powers; USA and Britain started their struggle. Were they relying on Uncle Kim for their ideology or did they started it because it was right and had to depend on the Eritrean people “Self Reliance”?
    After Eritreans started their struggle, in early 1970s Issaias Afwerki, Vice Secretary of EPLF, from the trenches of Sahel gave an interview and declared “Self Reliance is the order of the day. It is valid both in our liberation struggle and for future of our society we intend to build. Everything being based on the principle of self sufficiency, we must build a society which is free from exploitation man by man, Independent of foreign Aid. If we don’t rely on our energy and resources to solve our problems,
    economically or otherwise we will find ourselves politically on someone…”

    The Time Magazine wrote about Eritrea: long before tes journey to North Korea
    started.

    “By logic, the Nation of Eritrea (pop.3 million) should not exist. The secessionist province’s independence fighters ought never to have defeated Ethiopia in their 30-year-long struggle. They were outmanned, outgunned, abandoned or betrayed by every ally; their cause was hopeless. They won by force of character, a unity and determination so steely not all the modern armaments, super power support or economic superiority of Ethiopia could withstand it. The spirit that saw the Eritreans through 10 years
    in the trenches of their mountain redoubt at Nakfa has built them a Nation from scratch; since independence was finally consummated in 1993.”

    How is the above centuries old history of Eritreans fit to the new revised and twisted history of Eritrea to North Korea? It is sad to see the new Eritrean intellectuals prostituting their history just because they hate the leader of Eritrea and accept the new sexy political trend to isolate independent Eritrea. PFDJ could be inefficient or even wicked, but it is born and raised in Eritrea for worst or better we cannot trade our history. We are linked till death depart us.

  • Hope

    It is an insult to the Independent and Intelligent Eritrean mind set and Struggle to compare it with N Korea.After I read this article again,the independent path that N Korea “attempted” to follow and to achieve is but admirable.The only problem is as usual,the Powerful of the day,did NOT like that Independent Path and has done its best to subjugate N Korea.
    It is not Rocket Science to undertsand that if N Korea and its people have that kind of fierce independence and know-how to build an Atomic Bomb and even,ICBM,that scared the Super Power of the day,it is only naivity,if not, absurd,to belittle N korea.This reminded about Menghistu Hailemariam,who, while he used to beliitle the EPLF as Bandits and Arab Puppets, was forced finally to acknowledge that the EPLF,Eritteans by default ,in fact,is/was a force that can build an Atomic Bomb in the Mountains of Sahel,after the humiliating and devastating defeat at Afabet Front((Destruction of the Nadew Command).
    On the same token,I would be, as I have been,more than proud of the Independent Path the EPLF and Eritrean people have followed.This path,in fact,has proven to the world as to how the EPLF and the Eritreans have been UNIQUE by all standard and have overcome everything evil under the Sun and Against all Odds,
    Had the EPLF and the Eritrean people were given that chance,Post-Independence- to go an extra mile,we would have noticed miracles over miracles .But since the same paranoid Super Power anticipated that success,it has to intervene against Eritrea and try to make it “look like another N.Korea”.
    This is not to deny the collateral damages and unexpected drifts in “Class Struggle/Political Struggle among human
    beings and Politicians.
    While external factors have played a big role for NOT achieving that Dream,PFDJ Leadership partially has contributed to the hijacking of that dream,albeit,by the same people who postualted that dream.
    We should then fight to reclaim what has been lost in between.But I do NOT agree with blunt and one sided and exaggerated bluff for some secondary political and/or personal goal.
    A Research should be a Research and should remain “Scientific”,not biased and one sided.
    Your effort to lecture us on this, then, is but a waste of time.Rather,let’s debate on and struggle as to how to reclaim what belongs to us and to reclaim back the lost and the hijacked DREAM.

    • tes

      For you hope,

      And if building an Atomic bomb is a pride for you, then killing people is Blessing too.

      Anyway, have time what NK looks like.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPHT0nEoo64&hd=1

      • hope

        Please, let’s respect each other—2+2=4; and when I mentioned building an Atomic Bomb and ICBM,I was interpolating that if N korea has such kind of Independence and know-how of achieving this,then by default,it can do any thing positive that benefits its society/people,provided the Super Power of the day,leaves her alone and I guarantee you that if the same Super Power and our jealous neighbor leaves us alone,we could do but anyhing and this is NOT an emp[ty drumming but based on facts and history,esepcially taking into consideration the brains of yours,Ali Salim,Sal ,Johar,Kokhob Selam,Hailat,Semere Tesfay,Emma,etc —–.
        Let’s do our best to put all these untapped brains together for the BEST Interest of Eritrea—
        I have enough of those youtubes from Hailat.
        Let’s talk about Eritrea and Eritreans.It is NOT an Eritrean culture to depend on others but if it is going to help us,we will borrow it and apply it on our own way—the EPLF way of up-grading/modifying the Urals,Trucks,Tanks,BM-21,etc—

  • Ali-S

    Tesfabirhan,

    Excellent and unique input. Thank you!

    I appreciate the research you made but it would be more enlightening if you started from neutral grounds rather than doing research to support a preconception.

    • tes

      Ali-S,

      You are welcome brother,

      Here is piece of my search to PFDJ mind-set and I will enrich my search including my theory [Theory of Three Forces in One] in consecutive postings. In my belief “Neautrality Kills” and I don’t follow such principle.

      • tes

        Hi Guest, this is my post, which was deleted by accident. thank you though for popping it up.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Younis H.

      Anything you made a research start from a “conceived idea” in your mind. That conceive idea might become a “hypothesis” . After that you test your hypothesis by doing some experiments. The test in politics is to do research to to prove the idea you conceive in your mind. As I read Tes’s essay, he was searching to find the “ideology” of PFDJ. He asked to senior cadres as to what kind of political ideology they follow. They told him that it is “social justice”. At least Tes found a provoking idea in his mind. And that is, Is social justice an ideology or principle? From that, if it is an ideology, how is it ? From where do they get it? became his probing research. His research took him to look the ideology of North Korea. He started to identify the pillars of NK’s ideology and he found it as follows:

      (a) Chaju (domestic and foreign independence)
      (b) Charip (economic independence)
      (C) Chawi (military independence)

      Finally he nailed where the ideological of PFDJ is grounded. Now Younis what is the bias in his study brother? Your question should be, is his argument wrong or right? You have the right to make your own assessment. Whether that philosophical principle is applicable to our nation, he brought it to debate on it. There is no an iota of biases in his study. Come on Younis, when you can’t find room to wabble you question him his neutrality. There is no neutrality as such in making research……you follow where the data leads you to.

      Amanuel

  • AMAN

    Ya Ya Ya, Dawit, Hope and Others. Let it be so ! You were good teachers and we followed you and your teaching but now seems you capitulated… no difference with what you know what happen to our people 20 years ago… orphaned…

  • dawit

    The North Koreans are coming! by: TWRedie

    Why is it not possible for Isasias’s or Eritrean ideology to be born and cultivated inside Eritrea’s out of its own experience of struggle. During the armed struggle Ethiopian leaders preached to us it was ‘Arabs idea’, Nasser idea, Sorya idea, Islam Movement etc never acknowledged it was an Eritrean indigenous struggle for freedom. How can one link Hamid Awate rebellion with less than dozen and old rifles to challenge Ethiopia army to liberate Eritrea not to be the bases of Eritrean Self Reliant ideology, but something that was imported or delivered from North Korea or some Arab countries or Mars. I believe you should have spent you time to study how the PFDJ ideology evolved out the centuries of foreign oppressions and repeated betrayals of the world created this ideology Isaias and his followers accepted as their ideology.

    Perhaps you are trying to justify the newly sexy description of an independent Eritrea dubbed as ‘The North Korea of Africa’. I think Eritrea is ‘The Eritrea of Africa’ whose ideology no mater of its fault and weakness. It is a true African indigenous ideology born and cultivated inside Eritrea. After all North Korea fought US with the help of China and the Soviet Union, while Eritrea fought its battle with arms captured from their enemy supplied by US, USSR, East Germany, Italy Israel, Libya, South Yemen. We can not equate Eritrean Self Reliance with that of North Korea and North Korea. Eritrea partially closed its self when the rest of the world sided with its enemy on the border conflict. It is the rest of the world that tried to isolate Eritrea and not the other way. North Korea deliberately closed itself and the rest big powers are trying to open their doors because of its nuclear weapon program. On the other hand Eritrea is desperately trying to open itself, but the rest of the world try to isolate it, because Ethiopia and its friends never accepted the idea of Eritrea a small independent nation control part of the Red Sea. They want their century old argument that Eritrea can not support itself as an independent country and therefor is has to be dismantled or annexed by Ethiopia. In such hostile world politics Eritrea has stand on itself.

  • tes

    Truth, the problem is ur patience and your never to stop complaining! Build patience!

  • Saleh Johar

    The simple answer is: stop reading. The other answer is, no media outlet accommodate individual preferences for everyone. Still, another answer is: convince people to write shorter articles and good luck. You wrote, “we have become a nation and people that loves to complain,” yet you ended up complaining 🙂

    • Dawit

      Selam Saleh J.

      According to Awate’s posting guidelines, an article should not be more than 1,200 words. This article went well over 1,200 words. While at it, there is noting in the guidelines that says anything about posting cartoons either 😉 My assumption is : If the website does not say anything about something, then that something is allowed.

  • Hope

    Selam tes,
    Thank your for the refreshment,specially for the naive.But I thought this has been the modus operandi of the regime since its inception eventhough it does not say it openly but—” Bighibrom/bi fri’om kitfeltiwom ekhum” is what the Book says.
    Not just the economic but its security strategy and modus operandi–is that of the old Communist sytem and classic Machiavelian approach.
    I agree with your analysis and I thought that is the whole purpose of fighting against PFDJ and its deadly security apparatus and Machiavelian tactics.
    Having said that,let me express my opinion and try to be fair and balance things.
    -I would not agree with your analysis of refuting ” self reliance” though, as it can work provided we use appropriate policy guidleines.What we have here is that the principle of self-reliance is being used and abused for its own safety and survival by blocking ways that may scrutinize its activity—paranoia and fear of being caught of its crimes.
    -We have to consider the lack of resources/financial,which partly contributed to the disatisfaction of the Staff and lack of resources–Labs,computers,and regretably,that should have been our responsibilty to partly alleviate that burden.But we are actually working against the system–thereby aggravating the condition.
    -It is embarrassing that you are boasting and belittling things about this sad situation due to complex internal and external factors.Case in point,the Sanction Saga–in all forms.By common sense, I would rather admire the system for surviving this and for producing the basic resources,as you admitted.
    -I would also like to balance the things you said and what a neutral third party has said,quote:’What in reality would have taken yrs to achieve all these,Eritrea has done it in only few yrs with very limited resources”,end of quote(The International Expert Team for International Accreditation).
    Remember, we are at the stage of building Basic Infra-Structure and equipping this infra-structure will follow step by step based on resources at hand.
    The diaspora has an obligation to contribute to this steps,which it is doing partially,like the Seattle,WA,USA based small Team,which succeeded in equipping the Orota School of Medicine and Dentistry with basic but adequate equipment.
    It is my hope that the next beneficiary will be Hamelmalo College of Agriculture and others.
    If it took more than 30 yrs for th USA, the Germans,the Chinese,the Japanse,etc and went through HELL and huge sacrifice to be where they are,then it is only fair to be fair to Eritrea and Eritreans,who are struggling to be where they are now, with minimum resources and with untold sanctions,evil wishes,all sorts of odds against them,etc—
    If you do NOT believe in self reliance, then you do NOT believe in the miracles of the Eritrean Struggle has achieved–” Against all Odds”.But we do not need your vote on that though as we do have more than votes and witnesses..
    I would have listed all the infra-structure success stories-that you know than all of us–on Construction,Education,Health,etc—-but it will be only duplication.
    Yeah,you will tell me this and that–that PFDJ is criminal and should be weeded out…..Good luck to you.
    I just want people to see the other face of the coin.
    It is easy to say things but it is not Rocket Science to figure out the perceived and real threats Eritrea,Eritreans and the PFDJ have gone through with its secondaty devastating impacts.
    As to the PFDJ sins,no need of counting them as Semere Tesfay said it.It looks like you are a relatively Warsay Intellectual,who at the same time lived in the condition you are talking about and I would have expected you to be the first hand witness to the difficult conditions Eritrea,Eritreans and the PFDJ have gone through, and to that effect,I would have expected you to balance things and to be a FAIR judge.

    • tes

      Hope,

      Still you are mixing things, a zig-zag approach. Be clear please.

      And to your response, yes it is as you said a modus operandi of the regime since its inception. That is what I am exposing. And if you agree on this, then what more to say?

      You said, “to be fair and balanced” wfor what? For the regime who tried to change Eritrea into North Korea? to the dictator? to the killer? to the false propaganda? to the slavery? to the Juche ideology? to the Social Justice? oh, the list will go…

      Please don’t try to list the already said ERI-TV news. We have more than of it.

      It is good that you agreed with my analysis.

      But PFDJ”s ideology is a distorted science, but to succeed, we need a correct science to dismantle it and you may better know social science than me, as I can say something about Rocket science, which is easy, failure or success. but social science is of another complicated science, with a success or a disaster and especially like PFDJ’s science, a science of extiniction and slavery. Remember, this world needs more wise social scientists today more than anytime in history.

      saying this, I would like you to clarify what you mean about you last statement, “I would have expected you to be the first hand witness to the difficult
      conditions Eritrea,Eritreans and the PFDJ have gone through, and to that
      effect,I would have expected you to balance things and to be a FAIR
      judge.”

      With great thanks.

      • Hope

        tes,
        Let me confirm my zig- zags to you:
        I “changed my mind” that I do NOT agree with your analysis.
        The only thing I agree with you might be:
        The PFDJ ideology/Policy and it s rule of Jungle and un-constitutional governance but partially though since there is some thing “good” with PFDJ too–at least it has defended and protected Eritrea.
        Here are few facts:
        -Eritrea is the Eritrea of Africa as Dawit said it
        -Eritreans and by default,the EPLF, and their struggle have been ONE of,if not ,the ONLY,elite,fierecely Indpenednt —the BEST and well organized liberation movement in the world,not just in Africa.-
        -Balancing facts and admitting the truth is NOT zig -zagging.
        Despite its weaknesses and sins, PFDJ has done something good,despite all kinds of ODDS against it and against Eritrea.
        -Despite all its mess,it still has done something better than most of those African “States” ,which have been “States” for more than 50 yrs.
        I will not be shy to admit those facts simply because I hate PFDJ.
        My job is to fight for either to create a better PFDJ or a better alternative one.
        That is my stand—no confusion or zig-zags.
        I do my best to call a spade,a spade.
        I hope you are not the same guy who made it with the help of the French Mercenary Journalist,who,told us that Eritrea is the North korea of Africa.
        Is this a pay back or what?

        • tes

          Hope,

          If the French journalist is the one who labeled PFDJ’s Eritrea as “North Korea” he was absolutely right and my article will be happily devoted to this courageous journalist. Even my introduction starts with date people started to similarize Eritrea and North Korea I didnt’have information about this journalist before but now I thank you for that. He is “Absolutely Right” and I admire his enlightening us.

          Kudos, Kudos, KUDOS!!!

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Tesfabirhan,

    Excellent analysis. First of its kind in compare and contrast of PFDJ with the DPRK. It is a new angle in the quest of identifying the ideology and principle of the man and its party. Your piece will shad light and redirect for those who focus on the man himself and not on the institution he built. For those who strive to reform PFDJ from outside and who are not part of the state machine must think twice that the system is entrenched in the image of Kim Il Sung’s style as Tes has aptly put it.

    Tes as you promised you came with new insight as to the nature of system we have in our nation. You showed us, it is a system that has to be dismantled and not reformed. Thank you you make it my day.

    • tes

      Thank you Amanuel and hope I will put my share in dismantling the PFDJ regime in its hardware and software.

  • Truth

    Yet another long article that brings nothing concrete to the betterment of Eritrea. We’ve become a nation and people that loves to complain and it’s evident in the tiresome articles posted online. We need less talking and more doing. Awate, please cut the length of these articles. No one wants to read a book.

  • asaaa

    Welcome another Ali salim..