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Put Off The Lanterns of Terror

This is a bribe, in a nice way, the legitimate kind of bribe. I thought of offering it in preparation for the next edition of Negarit which I suppose will make a few readers uneasy. Please accept this Arabic poem which I wrote over fifteen years ago while I lived in Kuwait. In those days, Internet connection was not widespread, and there was no social media, not even enough websites. A handful of Eritreans in Kuwait wanted to issue a magazine and they came up with an idea: “Mejelet Ha’eT (Wall Magazine). I remember Mohammed Adem and Omar Sheik worked on it very hard. They fixed a board on a wall in the community center and every few weeks they updated the postings. I used to contribute to that wall magazine in Arabic.

Going through my files, I found the copy of the poem I posted on Nov. 17. 1999 and it invoked different memories in me–mainly painful memories. This piece was written when the Ethiopia-Eritrean border war was raging, people were waving flags and enjoying the gruesome scenes beamed from the battlefield. Many Diaspora Eritreans and Ethiopians screamed, more, more! When the governments tallied the numbers, our balance sheet showed tens of thousands killed, hundreds of thousands uprooted, an astronomical amount of properties lost, looted, or turned into ashes. Worse, not many were aware we will be suffering from the aftermath of the war for fifteen years–and still counting.

From my vintage point as an Eritrean, the south was the direction of destruction and mayhem. I had no personal interest in that area, only national and human. I would have ignored it like many other people and safeguarded my personal interest. But I chose to oppose the war and paid dearly: ostracized, defamed and made stateless by the two governments–I defeated them both when I came to the USA. I think I have a sixth sense that smells destruction. These days I feel it though it is not as intense as it was towards the turn of the last century.

I think this will be enough for today because I want you to try to enjoy the poem. If you know Arabic, all the better. If not, make do with the English translation. Before I finish, I would like to thank Amal Ali for reciting the poem for me. If you find the production quality unsavory, blame it on me. I am an amateur in audio-visual production. Though the topic is a sad one, please try to enjoy it. The Arabic audio ” اطفؤا قناديل الرعب  ” is at the bottom of this edition.


Put Off The Lanterns of Terror

The sky rained its bounties,
In a region engulfed by the stench of gunpowder.
A foray of bomb blasts meeting thunder,
And a look towards the South,
Under the lightening, an image and a reflection,
The horizon glowing with the fires of treachery.
Inside, the flames of the lanterns of terror.
Pray tell me, is it the dream of yesterday chasing us?
Or, a new dream? Did they do it again?

I saw it as a child, that ancient grudge.
My father and uncle tasted it, so did the rest of my family,
Many I knew, the old, the young, and the neighbors
Exposed to the whips of bitter cold…
And saw darkness up close,
In front, and behind bars.

Here, there is no distinction between night and day.
Not even between day and night
And the comrade visits all the time,
Bringing along humiliation, injustice and pain.

And she!
She belongs to the Freedom tribe,
Her name is Determination,
The name is the dowry of the bride,

And he’s demanding, the dowry
Even asking for more,
Our fate is mortgaged by his sick urge.

The elite has a language.
Its name is Vanity.
They unite for it and split over it.
And a distant echo of a question,
When will the pitch darkness be over?
When will the sun visit us,
With its warm rays?

My abode,
And the streets of my childhood that they burned,
The hopes of the forgotten generations,
The hopes that they looted.
Wasn’t Childhood, slaughtered?
Didn’t they steal the innocent laughter of a child?
Then, what is left?
Are we destined to eternal wailing?
Do we tread the trail of misery,
One generation after another?

Be wise! Free the one with the broken wings,
The dove whose feathers you plucked,
Let it fly anew, to herald to us,
A new tiding, of a peaceful era.
Let it fly to where the far dim lights are
Maybe it will bring us the sun.
That sun, that is hiding behind the horizon.

By Saleh “Gadi” Johar (Kuwait, Nov. 17, 1999)

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Selam,

    where are you lady! your voice is important,

  • Hayat Adem

    Selamat Abi, Sal, mahmuday and Gheteb:
    Wow, The art of manipulation has four stages in Sal’s world (low to high): confuse=>infuse=>suffuse=>Saluse (Sal-use). I’ll have to clone myself to look out for me in the Awate Forum for things said against me. When I took my eyes off for one day, a lot has been said about questioning my consistency and honesty. Sal pulled a lot of lines from my past feed. Like he said, those posts were mainly from one thread and specifically my reactions to a news story of cold blooded killing of 13 Eritrean children Awate broke to us. Emotions were high but that is not an excuse for deviation and inconsistency and I’ll not shelter myself in such excuses for any gaps on my part. Fairness dictates there should not be anything as an excuse for lying and dishonesty as well. I’ll ask one excuse from you and the Awate family though: allow me to a bit lengthy on this one to defend myself.
    Among the many feeds I posted here, some maybe nonsensical, some may not be. Readers will react on all of those and I’ve 2nd or 3rd or more chances to explain and/or even develop and refine more. All this is a natural process of exchanges. So, if I made a mistake and I happen to know it during the process of exchanges, I will admit and move on. It wouldn’t be difficult to say I was wrong on Libya. On others, even if I fail to explain them sufficiently and convincingly, but still I believe in them, I will keep on trying. If I keep on failing, it is my weakness not the readers’. But that wouldn’t make it a bad idea. The Ethiopian help issue looks one of such. I still believe it is the best shot for Eritreans to get our reset for the right political environment move on. The problem with this is that not many people like it; certainly not PFDJ and its sympathizers. Not even the Ethiopians, not one. Not many from the opposition. From the Awate forum, it is me and Sem. But the countering opposition we are facing makes it sound as though we are about to succeed in making it a true movement. TKifle and Mahmuday correctly said the fact that I don’t represent a constituency or a party in pushing such ideas. True, I don’t. But that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have an idea or I shouldn’t present them. Or do I have to enter a business of shopping for supporters first before I post it publicly?
    Yes, we all have a blind spot but what Sal spotted for Abi was not a real one. I said I never called for an invasion. I don’t. It is not that I was misunderstood because I said something close to that but is false without an excuse. So, I need to be taken at face value on this subject because if I want to call for an invasion, nothing would stop me for calling it. So, I’m not reconsidering a risk here. I never said it, I never meant it, I never implied it. Then if someone had a strong interest in challenging me and falsifying that, there are only two options: 1) the best would be a quote that exactly proves contradicting myself (in wording, content and context); 2) though it would not be as effective as the first one, even a noticeable implicit or explicit implications made to that effect can be also be recited as evidence. What is bad is deceptive manipulations and doctoring unsaid statements to score a point. Unfortunately, Sal has been consumed by such unhelpful preoocupations and dragging us all to waste time on proving innocence. Innocence needs not to be proven. It is the accusations and allegations that need to be disproven. Sal questions Abi if he were reading me critically because he said he never read me calling for invasion. On that he pulled some lines and the URL. Compare and contrast the lines he gave as a proof of his doubts about you if you were critical reader or not; with and against the actual direct quotes of my comments (as in # and #’) and decide if Saay was displaying honesty, and tell me back what you sensed. Bear in mind some are cut of an argument context when responding to you or others.
    1. Prime Minister Meles Zenawi had said that either PFDJ will change or we will change it. PFDJ hasn’t changed and therefore Ethiopia must change it:
    http://awate.com/thirteen-erit
    1’. The former PM was quoted a couple of times saying “we’ll make sure the Eritrean regime changes its behavior or or be changed.” This was 3-4 yrs ago. Neither of them changed so far and the Ethiopian govt is no more talking about it. What happened to that policy?

    2. PFDJ must be removed (by whom?) because it is not just an Eritrean problem but a regional problem;
    http://awate.com/thirteen-erit
    2’. Abi, In a broader sense, this is not purely about dying for Eritrea. If Eritrea slips to total chaos and civil war, it will have negative regional implications. Regional peace and stability should be part of an Ethiopian cause. Besides, humanitarian help is a duty of every one whoever is in a position to do it, let alone a neighbor, and let alone Ethiopia….
    Abi, PFDJ is not only an Eritrean problem, it is a regional problem. The call for you to intervene is in consideration of your interest and capacity to do the job. Just yesterday, the Turkish news agency reported the hijacking of an Ethiopian fighter helicopter by PFDJ agents.

    3. “I want Ethiopia to get poked and provoked by DIA thereby creating the perfect storm or Ethiopia to come after him.”
    http://awate.com/thirteen-erit
    (this was an actual quote, but you can go to the link for context because we were talking whether Eritrea will return the MI35 helicopter or not)

    4. Ethiopia is a replacement for the Eritrean opposition, not a supplement: “Yes, United Eritrean armed forces would be the first and the best option. The problem is it seems either we, as people, are not doing enough to get them out of latency or something is wrong with the way they are organizing themselves. The result: there is no one to defend our people. ”
    4’. [AOsman] Yes, United Eritrean armed forces would be the first and the best option. The problem is it seems either we, as people, are not doing enough to get them out of latency or something is wrong with the way they are organizing themselves. The result: there is no one to defend our people. And would you let this continue or invite a neighboring force to help? If you prefer to let the situation continue until a potent Eritrean force comes to into playing its role, then don’t you worry it might be too late save the people, and therefore the country?’
    http://awate.com/thirteen-erit

    5. Hopelessness: “My view on Ethiopia vis-avis intervention is shaped by my desperation bordering hopelessness from a belief that we will not be able to build up a potent opposition defense to stop the killings soon.”

    Sal to his credit tried to give you the context of my views by mentioning this: “Now, you may say that such views were the words of somebody who was shell-shocked by the news that 13 Eritrean children were gunned down.”. But in the same line, he cautions you not to be decived by that context of emotion by saying the next: “But you would be mistaken because this expression, this open invitation of Ethiopia to “help” Eritrea, with or without Eritrean opposition, to the point where she was praying that Isaias would do something to provoke “help” is a consistent theme. Here’s one of her bullet points on why Ethiopia should intervene NOW:….”
    Please pause before you read next line. Sal is preparing for a killer line to drive his argument home. He thought he has been preparing you all for this and now you are all ready to be pocketed. NOW TO HIS KILLER QUOTE:
    “Eritreans lack the very sense of urgency and resources and organizations to address this threat by themselves the way things are now and there has to be a long and intensive work of ground empowering first? This has to be done for sure for future self sufficiency and capacities but the crisis will go out of hand if we opt to wait until domestic capacities gather sufficiently.” http://awate.com/satire-a-spee
    This was taken from my 4 questions aimed at flashing out Tes’ thoughts and the one Sal quoting is slashed from the fourth questionnaire to Tes. He changed it from question format by removing the “Do you think” question tag phrase affront and put it in quotation as if it is not significantly doctored and it is all mine. This is dishonestly cheap. Here below is the whole thing:
    Quote begins
    [4) do you beleive Eritreans lack the very sense of urgency and resources and organizations to address this threat by themselves the way things are now and there has to be a long and intensive work of ground empowering first? This has to be done for sure for future self sufficiency and capacities but the crisis will go out of hand if we opt to wait until domestic capacities gather sufficiently. I’m aware that this point is where the many divergence among eritrean thinkers occur. the reason is because many eritreans believe inviting neighbors largely means ethiopia. inviting ethiopia, they may think, is symbolically showing national weakness and un-independence, hence a mockery on eritrean nationalism. but i see it from a different angle. well, we should also be able to show confidence to the world that we make the right decisions at the right time including seeking outside help when we need it and opt to walk and work by our own when we can, if wewe want to be in control of our affairs, we have to be confident in deciding when to use outside help and decline it. it is totally foolish and feudalistic to reject a stretched helping hand when you are hanging on a cliff. for me the wisest thing is to use what is available and build your capacity so that you don’t depend on others again in the future. but i am afraid we are slipping into a civil war at a scary speed, whatever we do is gonna be too late and too little, Tes. I would use anything around me to survive first so that i have days to build sufficiency later.] Quote ends

    Sal didn’t want to include them but I also posted the following lines under that same thread:
    – “I am not asking for them to come and rule us. Don’t put thoughts into my mind. Give me a choice if you have one “
    -“ It is a subject that i want to advance and convince others in the coming. But right now, it appears to be a minority position and I know exactly why”
    -“ Tell me anything, anything under sky, that stops these serial tragedies, and I’ll be the last person to consider Ethiopia for help. But if you are preferring these tragedies to continue over inviting a neighbor that can do it, and all we can do is just mourning, then I left it to your common sense”
    _” get rid of this monster by all means necessary including with the help of Ethiopia and other neighbors. If they are good enough for us to run to as a refugee, they may be good enough to stretch a helping hand so that Eritreans can be safe and at peace in their own land and work to prosper.”
    -“The best option we have so far as far as representing Eritrea is the opposition. The opposition forces should work towards that and start acting as a representative body.”
    -“It [Ethiopian help] is not the best thing but is better than losing the youth, watching the unfolding of a demographic collapse. When Ethiopia and other neighbors see violence, chaos and civil war on the making and they feel the heat, they will make the move out of prudence invoking self protection or humanitarian reasons, or whatever. So better we do it before it is too late and with preset conditions that minimize the intervention, and leave all the restructuring and governance matters for Eritreans. Remove Isaias and his oppressing system using Ethiopian forces or IGAD joint forces or the East African Birgade and leave. The stabilization and transitioning governance can be handled by Eritreans.”

    Mahmuday, I know the small coalition of coup democracy thing solidarity but please don’t rush to jump on my bones whenever Sal says something against me. He has enough clappers like Gheteb around him. Please continue to be the cool and collected guy I perceive you to be and try to see things in Sal’s gaps also.
    Hayat

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Hayat The Great,

      I am cringing for interfering here, but since you mentioned not one Ethiopian likes the idea (of asking for help) I need to make a statement just for the record. I am not as greedy as Abi, but my reluctance was that I couldn’t see a nice, clearly defined exit strategy. So, my take on your suggestion to ask Ethiopia for help as an alternative is perfectly normal, beautiful, and something any sane person would understand.

      However, besides the ego tripping you alluded to above, when you factor Eritrea’s experience at the hands of subsequent Ethiopian governments into this “help” and the amount of sacrifice that was paid to get independence you must understand why Tes had to pull his hair out in a panic including calling you names absurd enough to make you laugh. Having said that I feel like SAAY should have handled it differently than he did though. He should have explained why this is a bad idea, at least, at the moment without him having to guess your intent. That probably didn’t happen because you two had accumulated enough tension and suspicion by then. Is it too late to start over?

      It would be a great loss to the rest of us if you two won’t let us continue to benefit from your great minds by having an honest discussion by, as you said for example, taking each others opinions at face value.
      Selam.

      • tes

        Dear Fanti Ghana,

        I am reading between your lines that say, “you must understand why Tes had to pull his hair out in a panic including calling you names absurd enough to make you laugh.” Are you serious about this line?

        Don’t be a cheap peace broker. Hayat Adem doesn’t have any piece of respect left here even if she tries to filter her lines a million times.

        Let’s remember, a tangue speaks what is in the heart and this is verified during hard times. Can we then accept her excuses as if she was in high emotion? This is senseless.

        Concerning me, I will show you how reasonable I was during my strong reaction to her fatal statements opted purposefully.

        tes

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Tes,
          But that was exactly my point. I’m saying my tongue and heart have always been together. And if you read my comment, I’m a tough girl and I don’t like hiding in excuses. If I made mistakes, I face them and I don’t duck them. Even during high emotions, I stay course. I didn’t say I should be excused nor am I filtering any of my past lines. You keep saying I’m. I’ll keep saying I am not.
          Fanti said you called me laughable names but I don’t remember them. I guess the other aspect of the absurdity Fanti mentioned probably is you might have over-desensitized us because of the excessive supply of the names from your side so muc that we don’t notice them when they are fired out.
          Hayat

          • tes

            Hi Hayat Adem,

            You are rather a cheap and blood thirsty lady. If vampires are tough, let it be as per your own claim.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes Lmao. Lol she is special.

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh Tes,
            I remember it now. The contradictory urge of insulting and the mandatory salutation rule of Awate is getting you sound very awkward l. You say “hi hayat, you are vampire!”:)

          • tes

            Aha Hayat Adem,

            It is good that awate.com as democratic as it is, it has provided you to diffuse your venom. Thanks goes to awate.When democracy is manipulated, eveything is ok, oK, OK!!!

            tes

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Fanti, the peace maker
        I like your idea, but it is not goin to happen because Sal is an Eritrean, not an Italian created identity and what is the most distinguishing trait of an tsuruy Eritrwi
        melhasay ayqyrin hansab mismogette
        aynay ay zimblin hansab msTemet
        ata hanti eya equa zerbU

        • saay7

          Cousin iSem:

          Nah, that is so 1970s. This is the Neo Eritrean, as described by the great Wedi tkabo:

          “ab mntay yu Hailu hzba ms beluni:
          kebiduni:
          ab qltsmu ilyom mesiluni:
          mesiluni aykonen Haqey nere
          Qlstsmka indiyu Huqe zsebere::

          ab mntay yu Hailu ms beluni:

          ab XinAtu ileyom mesiluni:
          mesiluni aykonen Haqey nere

          XnAtka indyu D’reE zsebere::

          ab mntay yu Hailu ms beluni:

          ab aEyntu ileyom mesiluni:
          mesiluni aykonen Haqey nere

          AynkHa indyu Xelam zgohare::

          ab mntay yu Hailu ms beluni:
          ab lsanu ileyom mesiluni:
          mesiluni aykonen Haqey nere
          Hshukhta indiyu Awta zfeTere::

          Andi kem Aare ena terere
          Haqi berbere ena meQere
          nKhbret hager ilu zemere
          ab egru ywedQ zezfekere

          menyuta menyuta menyuta
          geTimu mekhete
          bTbeb teAwete?
          Ertrawi tsunuE Qntatu
          SheT meqenetu
          kab qedemus neta rimu
          aybeqelan demu::

          Some things never change iSem:)

          saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Fanti,
        Thanks for the kind words. The tension between me and Saay is very unfortunate but only at loss if there is anything I could do on my part. It seems I’ve lost him forever and at least on this, he is more Eritrean than me per Semere’s melHasey ayqyrin measuring index. But be assured that it will never make me shy of contributing my part nor commenting on his positive contributions or his gaps as exactly the way I see them.
        Hayat

      • saay7

        Kemey Kemey Ato Fanti Ghana:

        (1) I write to appeal to your sense of fairness. Actually, a long time ago, I said that if I ever were forming a debating team, I would want Hayat Adem and the sorely missed Serray on my side. So, obviously, I have a great deal of admiration for her brainpower. Take that for whatever it is worth.

        (2) Now, then, here’s the long version. If you want the short version, skip to bullet numbered 7.

        (3) Yesterday, our new super-star Burbank made this Five-Point Framework Agreement with our friend Eyob on the rules of engagement. One of the five points is:

        “None of us should deliberately omit naked unpopular facts in the interest of keeping the tone of the exchange civil nor present opinion as facts to stay relevant in the debate.”

        (4) One of these facts is that, within EPRDF, with respect to the “Eritrea issue”, who drives the engine is TPLF. I have plenty of evidence for that, much of it I can’t disclose, so you will either take my word for it, or skip it. And so, when Eritreans use TPLF in lieu of EPRDF it is in recognition of this “naked unpopular fact.”

        (5) The TPLF has a history with Eritrea, some of it good, and some of it is bad. I will give you one example: when the TPLF battled with ELF and why it allied with EPLF, it gave its reasons as follows: (a) The ELF preferred another Ethiopian front EPRP and constantly waged war against us; (b) It rejected all our peace offers; (c) It treated us not as equals but upstarts; (d) unlike EPLF, the ELF was wobbly on the issue of Eritrean independence. When the TPLF was not in speaking terms with EPLF, it gave the following reasons: (a) it would not treat us as an equal; (b) it had a flawed military strategy; (c) it was not democratic; (d) it was wobbly on the issue of Eritrean independence.

        (6) you are smart: see the commonality between the two. Add the late Meles Zenawi’s proclamation that he cares more for Eritreans than Eritrea does; add Aboy Sebhat’s proclamation that the TPLF cares more for Eritreans than EPLF/PFDJ does, and the image that appears is a disturbing one.

        (7) On all the varying narratives, Hayat Adem unfailingly takes the TPLF narrative: the EPLF starved for the death of tens of thousands of Tigrayans; the EPLF deported tens of thousands of Ethiopians; the EPLF started the 1998 war, etc, etc, etc. When the MI-35 pilot absconded with his helicopter, Hayat Adem said that he was “a PFDJ agent.” When she was asked where she got this, and why she believes it by Haile WM, she said, I “just picked it from the news.” Some dude you may be familiar with wrote her:

        Begin Quote

        Dear Hayat,

        With all the respect to you, can’t escape agreeing with Haile WM on this one. It seems to me you didn’t ‘just’ pick it up from the news.

        Having said that, I agree with Abinet here (below), wise leadership from Eth (I dont expect it from PFDJ) is needed at this time to avoid escalation.

        Best wishes,

        FS.
        End Quote

        8. On this particular topic, it is the too-clever-by-half language that I thought could not have escaped the attentive Abi. If I say, “I will take action that will ensure that your heart will stop beating and there will be no oxygen going to your brain”, sure I can say I didn’t threaten to murder you. But that is exactly what I did. If Ethiopia takes the action recommended by Hayat Adam, what will be the headline news: “Ethiopia helps Eritrea”? “Ethiopia intervenes in Eritrea”? Or will it be “Ethiopia invades Eritrea”? Will the UNSC call on Ethiopia to stop intervening or helping Eritrea or to reverse its aggression? She should know because she has committed the EEBC ruling to heart. In fact, here’s how Eritrea-Ethiopia history is seen through the eyes of Hayat:

        “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Then Eritrea starved tens of thousands of Ethiopians to death, then it deported them by the thousands, then at about 5:30 a.m. on 12 May 1998, Eritrean armed forces, composed of at least two brigades of regular soldiers, supported by tanks and artillery, attacked the town of Badme and several other border areas in Ethiopia’s Tahtay Adiabo Wereda, as well as at least two places in its neighboring Laelay Adiabo Wereda. And here we are.”

        9. If an Eritrean says, well, it is a court ruling and it is final and binding and I have to accept it but I disagree, to her, this is an unforgivable moral failing. Acceptance of this is, to her, THE path to Eritrea’s salvation.

        10. By her own admission, Hayat Adem’s point-of-view is so extreme it doesn’t even qualify for fringe. So why not ignore it. Because, I believe, that it is the fringe that has taken hostage of the Eritrean opposition for the last 15 years. They have defined us and alienated us from the people whose hearts and minds we want to win. Imagine you are a member of the Ethiopian opposition and you are constantly lumped with Gnbot 7, Arbegnoch, TPDM, wouldn’t you see them as a liability to your cause. That’s it for me; that is what Hayat Adem represents, same thing that Yosief Ghebrehiwet represented: a fringe but very loud view that occasionally has to be reminded she holds a fringe view. I am sorry if that requires quoting back her own words.

        saay

        • Ted

          Selamat SAAY, “So why not ignore it?” it is what many here in this forum feel and frustrated about. Come to think of it it is not even in the minds of any opposition group residing in Ethiopia so why is she spearheading this idea relentlessness and making a fool of awatians to be entangled in her web of deceits and creations. if that is not enough when reject her forcefully, Alas, you don’t need to see the dram queen of broad way. Of course she would accuse you being insensitive to her and the rule then before you know it she is back on the horse talking about what if Eritrea provoke Ethiopia and more a million ifs to promote the “invasion , intervention….” ….. We need change in our country and we can do it by our own. There is no other way to discibe her” de-facto TPLF pamphleteer” and need to be addressed as such with out self censoring. hi Saleh .J;)

          • saay7

            Hey cousin Ted:

            Are you familiar with the term “canary in a coal mine”?

            There is your answer.

            saay

          • saay7

            Hey cousin Ted:

            Are you familiar with the term “canary in a coal mine”? What’s its opposite, in military terms? I think it’s called “probing”(Mahmuday?)

            There is your answer.

            saay

        • Fanti Ghana

          Brother SAAY,
          I am writing a long reply that should only be read on a Sunday, so I am reserving this space until I eat my lunch/dinner and come back.

          • saay7

            Fratello Fanti:

            You will be eating lunch/dinner until Easter Sunday? Be sure to weigh yourself before and after and tell us how many pounds (kilos for Canadians) you gained.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother SAAY,
            I am still adjusting to the day/night switch from Addis to San Francisco, and I feel like I have two heads, four eyes, twenty fingers, but none of them work.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Fanti Gana

            You said, “here was also one question that was not answered satisfactorily. And that was: why was this kept almost private until 1998?”

            You better say you knew it in 1998. many people have provided you with the needed information that the issue was in common parlance in TPLF and Tigray as old as the the problem was.You also told the forum you been working in the refugee camps in Sudan and I presume you had a chance to be in the know. But you slipped into your corner of convenience positing that the solution to the hatred crystallized over the years would come at playing the the proverbial ostrich as well as clinging to higher plane of morality which is nothing but dividing the responsibilities between the defaulter and the victim. This is history and no one has the power to alter it. Of course making the issue for fuelling further conflicts is wrong and to the best of my recall, TPLF never used the matter to wedge grudge between the people of Tigray and Eritrea. The 1998 war is the making of PFDJ, has nothing to do with the common people of Eritrea for, given a chance , unlike the PFDJites and sympathizers, the Eritrean people would surely have decided against it. So, your effort to draw parallel moral equivalence between TPLF and EPLF is self-serving and utterly dishonest.

            You also said “You know like TK, the electrical engineer, who can only see one and only one thing at a time out of two things: a negative or a positive; nothing in between or beyond. To some their profession is their curse.”, This comment borders arrogance and ignorance. Tell me then you, a person who can think and analyse problems in n-dimensions, the reasons IA”s Eritrea invaded your country totally unsuspecting, why it refused to withdraw its forces instead emboldened to the extent of boasting it had the leverage to covert Addis into Baghdad. And tell me why the likes of SAAY,the man you believe is so intelligent(and I do share that) and you are wagging tails to lately, served as catalysts for the devastating war. We(by we I mean those of us who think we know the nature EPLF)believe that there is explanation for it. You don’t buy it. That’s fine but attributing the matter to “professional curse” borders nonsense. TK didn’t create a binary theory here. The main issues I discussed in this forum regarding TPLF- ELF, TPLF- EPLF, Ethiopia -Eritrea more or less are in-line with the mainstream opinions in the TPLF. So can you show me where the problem lies? The Eritreans have their own explanations. That’s pretty fine but you, an Ethiopian, need to explain why you felt that EPLF might have been wronged while the information is made available before you. Lastly, if you have something that you don’t feel like or oppose you need to bring it forth place your difference and I can learn from it but attacking someone by blanket characterization is uncalled for and serves no purpose.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Kemey Kenikha Hawey natey, meArey, sukorey TK,
            If you did not get the following line was meant as an attempt on a little humor, my apologies for not being clear/obvious enough.

            “Although I suspect she is always on a fact finding mission (she can’t help it. She is a mathematician). You know like TK, the electrical engineer, who can only see one and only one thing at a time out of two things: a negative or a positive; nothing in between or beyond. To some their profession is their curse.”

            According to my most trusted friends, arrogant is the last thing you would describe me as if you knew me in person, but you only have my word for it. In the mean time I will do some self censoring just in case you are correct. You see I am a strong believer of “we don’t see our own flows as readily as other can.”

            about working in the refugee camps in the Sudan:
            Unfortunately, I was in the US way before then. I was supposed to try to organize as many Tigreans as I could find wherever I landed, but I could only find 2 ex EPRPs (both good Gonderes) and 3 Eritreans who came here during Haile Sellassie, and only one of them seemed to be really convinced that the “rumor” Eritrea is fighting Ethiopia for independence” was actually true (they were stuck in Ohio for a long time). the rest is a long story.

            my “dividing the responsibilities between the defaulter and the victim” and “So, your effort to draw parallel moral equivalence between TPLF and EPLF is self-serving and utterly dishonest.” can be answered together:

            TK, assuming I am doing it intentionally, what would be wrong with that? We are not talking about some aliens from Andromeda. Aren’t we talking about our brothers, sisters, cousins who had to deal with unimaginable burden for years before that? In fact, forget all of that, but isn’t what we know about what supposedly happened is as told to us by our trusted source of information: in this case TPLF. To many Eritreans EPLF is their TPLF. Now, try to put yourself in their shoes, and tell me if it is not better to be “wrong” like me and create piece instead of being right and justify a war that kills all. Even if we are 99.99% sure EPLF was wrong on all accounts I would prefer to cling to the remaining fraction if it means the end of “tselim kdan” we have been wearing for far too long.

            “TPLF never used the matter to wedge grudge between the people of Tigray and Eritrea.” I can’t agree more, but tell that to Gebru, Siye, Tewelde, and many others and weep my friend.

            “..you are wagging tails to lately” This means you under estimate my obsession with these people. TK, wagging tails is easy. I would fall on his feet with a big stone on my back if it results in my being able to drive from Mekele to Asmara with no passport or visa. So, fine, you can have that.

            “by we I mean those of us who think we know the nature EPLF” and you still think I am being arrogant?

            The rest you are very much correct.
            Now the real trap: I was just preaching to SAAY and Hayat to hold hands and here I am put on the spot.
            Brother TK, whatever I say in this forum it is a result of my life time experience. I know I can sometimes be wrong like everybody else, but my intention is to always find a way to bring us a little closer to our illusive peace whenever I get a chance. It is never meant to disappoint or upset anyone.

            I would never claim to be any more intelligent than my peers and I am certain I do have flows. And also let me tell you that the first time I read your post I was so elated for finally finding a follow TPLF who knew very much what I knew plus more, and I still hold on to that. I also know how intelligent and well informed you are.

            The minor difference I see between you and me is this (just an opinion): I want peace first and then deal with any issues worth talking about. You want all issues resolved then we can have real peace. Correct me if I am wrong. So, next time I stop by Addis (January) would you prefer Azmera Shiro or Kiros TiHlo on me?

            Selam.
            PS
            SAAY you can have your week.

          • T. Kifle

            Merhaba Ayay Fanti Ghana(borrowed from Papillion; poor Papillion where she might be?)

            OK!!! let me take your humour the way it was intended for I have no reason to suspect Fanti Ghana. I was thinking about the degree of freedoms with which the B-777 aircraft Fanti flew by to Addis operate and smiled for his characterization that engineering is a two-state discipline 🙂 But seriously, I had no idea that Hayat was a mathematician as you seem the first person to broach it on here. But whichever she majored, she is indeed a piece of work became pain-in-the-neck for the nationalists down there. And you know you are that bad for you visited us in hush hush you sounded you were to trek the jungles somewhere in Latin America much less visiting Ethiopia when you declared in this forum you were moving to the air port and that in a hurry. እሞ ኣብ መዕርፎ ነፈርቲ ቦሌ ምስ ሑቕፊ ዕምበባይ ክቕበለካ ነይረ እየ ዘይበለልካ ኮይኑ’ምበር :).

            On a serious note: You said “for many Eritreans EPLF is their TPLF”. This is true and I never questioned the legitimacy of the ascendancy of the EPLF to power in anyway for I always have unwavering support for the Eritrean cause. It also never occurred to me it’s my business what EPLF does to it subjects except I could hold an opinion like I would for any other country around the horn. But because we were like joined at the hips, the situation demanded that the countries help each other in good faith based on win-win. What we have got in return however is not what we expected, EPLF hurt Ethiopia by declaring war in the most unexpected manner. Was the invasion an aberration, something a transient glitch that lacked pattern? It wasn’t. It was a well orchestrated nationalist ambition that goes with the line of “our way or the highway”. It started from the colonial era, well consolidated during ghedli and reached its maximum in may 12, 1998. I don’t believe the problems the clique in power and its sympathizers elsewhere helped create can be resolved in the manner you feel like to see them resolved no matter how may times you “fall before their feet” and how big the stone on your back is. Ayani, we already did that. We carried the burden of affairs much heavier than any stone you can think of for years hoping that EPLF would change its nature if for nothing else for the sake of itself and the Eritrea it fought for. Alas! we fooled ourselves and we received a lasting lesson in the most profound and painful way. As to me and to many compatriots peace with Eritrea is proportional to the undoing of this aggressive nationalist ambition oblivion of its actual limit and size. Again please don’t bring the people to people excuse into argument for people had never been given choices in either making war or peace. It’s not that I don’t feel like let things go for the sake of peace but I have learned my lessons that it takes two to tango to bring about peace. So your bowing to SAAY(assuming he is in power) might take you to Asmara but you are not sure if you can make out of it safely 🙂

            Your SAAY, though in a way I love him, is much in the business of twisting facts and opinions to his liking through his unique writing capability. Let me give an example he loves so much repeating it. He accuses veteran TPLFites for saying to the effect of “they care for Eritreans more than the Eritrean’s do for themselves”. This is a deliberate misrepresentation. To the best of my recall, I didn’t come across they make such unqualified comments. Right or wrong can be debated but what they used to say instead was TPLF takes interests of the Eritrean people at heart as that is the only way peaceful coexistence and socio-economic cooperation prevail. The policy of the government that TPLF is a part promotes this notion of win-win. A policy of win-win comes from respect careful understanding and commitment to what the other side really needs. This is true for Djibouti, Egypt or Eritrea. Ethiopia didn’t say she doesn’t care about the Egyptian people who depend on the river Nile for centuries. It only brought its case to the table that it’s unfair and irresponsible to remain indifferent to the plight of Ethiopians who are dying of hunger while Egyptians waste the water into the vast desserts that this unbalanced water utilization is unsustainable over the long haul. Ethiopia didn’t reprimand the Djibouti like Mengistu used to do but treated it as equal, marvelled in multi-faceted interactions and that’s why they are contemplating for greater space of cooperation. I believe that there is a clear overlap between what the Ethiopian government believes is essential to the country and the neighbourhood and the interests of the countries in neighbourhood. I know this is not what you expected from me but I seize this opportunity to opine on topics you might not even interested in.

            You also censured me of arrogance. You could be right. I know it is politically incorrect to hold such opinions but the fact speaks for themselves. True our arrogance made us pay heavy price. There is always limit to what we think we know. That’s why TPLF’s executive decided in a 5 to 4 vote that EPLF wouldn’t invade us amidst visible mobilization in Eritrea. The reason behind those who were against the position of the minority was that though they accepted EPLF can do anything to advance its ambitions, there was one variable that they missed. They thought EPLF was a rational entity that it wouldn’t go against its interests for invading Ethiopia would be tantamount to committing “suicide”. While it is true invading Ethiopia is like calling death upon self, there wasn’t any guarantee that it would occur to the EPLF leadership that “death” was imminent. It didn’t occurred to them and even one can argue that they still are in business but no doubt they are left with a limping nation(please understand that stating the obvious doesn’t mean I wish it).

            Our politics is in no swayed by fringe opinions like those coming from the likes of Gebru and our position in Eritrea is solid as it has always been. If you read his recent book, you would understand his apprehensions at the time. The latest “ShetaHtaH” (taking from Mahmu’d book) is an effort to be heard in the EPRDF dominated politics of Ethiopia as it is almost impossible to be heard while being in the middle of the political spectrum. So he has to find a place in the chauvinist class and he found Eritrea is his best bet admitting his lifelong position on Eritrea was wrong.

            I said one or two on this subject elsewhere and you may click the link of you have time and tendency reading Amharic articles(and long at that 🙂

            http://hornaffairs.com/am/2014/11/20/eritrea-agenda-tplf-position/

            http://hornaffairs.com/am/2014/11/30/reflection-on-gebru-asrat-book/

          • saay7

            Kbur Harbeyna Tegadalai T.Kifle:

            I don’t get this: how am I in the business of twisting facts and opinions to my liking if I am often giving sources for the facts?

            1. The Eritrean people had two national organizations, Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF) and the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front (EPLF.) At one time or another, the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) accused both of compromising with Eritreans yearning for self-determination. I have given my source for when the TPLF did that vis-a-vis the ELF (Qalsi hzbi Ertra kabey nabey; page number and image available upon request); I can do that with its accusation of EPLF. But first I need a denial from you: did this not happen?

            2. An interview for VOA-Amharic, interviewing Aboy Sebhat and asking him to rebut claims made by Gebru Asrat in his book, uses the cross-examination method of quoting the late Meles Zenawi saying that the TPLF cares more for Eritreans than Eritrean themselves; and Aboy Sebhat says that the TPLF cares more for Eritreans than Shaebia; cares more for South Sudan the Silva Kiir and implies that he cares more for the US than the US government (assuming the interviewer is interviewing him from the US.) I gave the youtube video link to this and I can do it again…if you say it didn’t happen.

            So, to me, this is a disturbing pattern of a paternalistic organization that claims to know more, care more than the stakeholders. That kind of paternalism and unbridled ambition is dangerous—it is what got Isaias Afwerki and Eritrea in trouble in Somalia.

            So, sir, how is this twisting of facts?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam SAAY
            I mean, you know why truth anoys my friend TK. He grew up in a lecturing wayanay circle; you just need to listen and let the stage left for him; memorize his take and repeat it as it is; if you fatten it a bit (like my bad friend semere does), that’s a plus. Then, and only then, you will be considered telling the truth without twisting it.
            “So, to me, this is a disturbing pattern of a paternalistic organization that claims to know more, and care more than the stakeholders. That kind of paternalism and unbridled ambition is extremely dangerous—it is what got Isaias Afwerki (and, unfortunately, Eritrea) in trouble in Somalia.”
            This is the crux of the matter.

          • T. Kifle

            ብፃይ ማሕሙድ

            ናታስ ንሓማታ ዝባሃል ምስላ ኣሎ። ብዛዕባ ኣብ ኤርትራ ዝትከል ፋብሪካ ንህወሓት ኣሕሚሙዋ ኣይፈልጥን።

          • saay7

            Selamat Brigadier General Mahmuday:

            I forgot to mention that one of the TPLF’s accusation against EPLF was that it was going to sell out Eritrea by negotiating with the Derg. (In the same VOA interview link I provided.) Anyway, I never understood if the TPLF actually believed that or if it was pissed that it wasn’t invited to the table when the Soviet Union was trying to bring the two socialists (Derg and Shaebia) under the same umbrella.

            In any event, that was also another false accusation because the discussions between the USSR and EPLF were declassified years later and, if anything, the Soviets complain how rigid the EPLF was about Eritrea’s independence. (Probably because the EPLF knew that all that “negotiation” was not in good faith but to buy Mengistu time to defeat Somalia in the Ogaden War and keep the Northern Front quiet.)

            Yes, T.Kifle, link to the de-classified documents available upon request:)

            saay

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Saay,

            Can you give date and time of the “..Derg, USSR and EPLF” discussion? It is good to make it clear if both of you are talking on the same event.

          • saay7

            My dear Rahwa:

            The period coincided with the Oagaden War (1977-78.). Because you are my favorite Weyanista:) I will give you the link to the declassified documents now housed at the Wilson Center. You can also learn a lot about why there is now a “friendship” statue to Cuba: 17,000 Cuban combatants fought on the side of Ethiopia against Somalia.

            Here’s a summary of the meeting from East German comrade to his Soviet comrade:

            http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/110979

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Tegadali Saleh:
            CC:Tegadalai Mahmud
            This is 1978 in the Western Calendar and not Habesha Calendar, right?
            And EPLF is negotiating alone on behalf of ALL Eritreans while it did not command even what I would guess 25% of support from Eritreans, it has barely emerged from its first congress, so not even a national front yet. How is that you take their word (EPLF) at face value for independent Eritrea. Where was ELF, an organisation by then which had two national congresses under its belt and overwhelming support of Eritreas?

            This is the extension of Kangnew, except that now the “semasri” is Soviet Union, it cannot be USA as Ethiopia changes alliances under Dergi.
            And TPLF was barely 2 years old to worry about not being included to negotiate on behalf of Eritreans. as the greate Nit once said, there is some thing wrong about the picture someone is trying to paint here about EPLF and TPLF, the first in good light and the later in bad light.

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            SGJ is Tegadali Saleh; I am the dude, dudester, or duderino if you are not in the whole brevity thing:)

            There WAS a meeting with ELF, represented by Ahmed Mohammed Nasser. You have to find it. Remember, though, back then the ELF was successfully portrayed as Arabist/reactionary and the Soviet Bloc was trying to create a “progressive coalition” because, over at Somalia, thanks to Ethiopia’s internalization of the conflict by bringing in the Cubans, Siad Barre had made an All Points Bulletin call to Arab and Muslim nations…

            The point is that the TPLF accused the ELF of being Eritrea-sell-outs then, when they were evicted from the field, it accused the EPLF of being Eritrea-sell-outs. By process of elimination, the only reliable ally the Eritrean people have is……? Bingo.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            I was also bothered how was EPLF promising to stop bloodshed while ELF was there. But the lesson both orgs were meeting separately, I think ELF was meeting SU while the joint attack by TPLF and EPLF was looming or even undergoing (1981) and not during this EPLF meeting of 1978?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay,

            ELF and EPLF were approached by Soviets to meet with Derg in 1978 separately. They meeting was held in East Germany. No outcome whatsoever from that meeting on both sides. TPLF and EPLF have accused ELF when the chairman of ELF “Ahmed Nasser” and his team met with Soviet officials in Moscow in early 1980. Actually it was one of the reasons of EPLF/TPLF alliance to launch a full flagged civil war against ELF. No need details on it, for it serves no purpose at this time.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            All these people we are talking about, Meles, ahmed Nasser, Isaias were how old when they were making life-and-death decisions in the 70s? Weren’t they in their 20s and 30s? Looking back at it now, I tend to forgive everything they ever said or did then as “youthful indiscretion.” They just were not qualified for the job…

            But, when I see the same sentiments now, it becomes relevant. Here’s why: remember how Dick Cheney was interviewing candidates to be George W Bushs VPs? And then George W, based on Dick Cheneys report found out that none of them were as qualified as Dick Cheney and Cheney said “aw, shucks, Mr President: I will do it for you.”? Now I think you get an idea that none of the Eritrean opposition groups that have been to Addis in the last 16 years met with Harbeyna Weyanes approval for who is good enough to be the custodian of Eritrea. They have very very high standards: themselves. Because they have very very high opinion of themselves

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere,

            Yawn. One more time Yawn. Of course you know how some people boast of being offspring of brave ancestors and by extension, they want you to accord them the respect and honor due to a brave person.

            Yawn again. EPLF-ELF topics are very boring, at least to me. I am not encouraged to debate anything partisan. We have a bigger Maada to fry. Just prepare enough coal and don’t ever read: kunni berden weselaama. Our to be Maada is nowhere near prophet Abraham. That is why EPLF-ELF, even TPLF doesn’t appeal to me.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            Sah kelamek ya Sayed. We can’t talk about big issues. Elal Quelel koina Terifna Nahna Neger. Mihret Yewridelna.

          • Rahwa T

            Dearest Prof Saay,
            Thank you very much for the document. I will read for general knowledge on the history of the organization. Buy the way, I want to know the time when you will have the prefix Professor. I know you are more than qualified. You seem to give less value to such title. I hope you will do it sooner.

          • saay7

            Selamat Rahwa:

            According to Cousin Hope, I am a Professor AND a doctor despite the fact that I am neither:) One of my favorite jokes (because it is bittersweet) is of an Eritrean in Germany who is always running errands for his wife and kids. He said: ኣንታ ኣያይ ከይተባሃልና ኣሪግና፥ ኣብ ዓድና ንላኣኽ ኔርና ኣብዚ ዓዲ ንለኣኽ ኣላና 🙂

            saay

          • Elenta

            Saay,
            Here is another similar joke by Sandiego ,

            ቀደም ጠጡዑሙ ን ዓበይቲ እንዳተባሀለ ቆሉዑት ከለና ተረፍ ኣቦታትና እንዳበላዕና ዓቢና፤ሕጂ ምስ ዓበና ድማ እቲ ቢሂል ተቐይሩ ጠጡዑሙ ን ቆሉዑት
            ጡዑም ከይጣዐምና ክንሓልፎ ኢና ግዲ፧

          • saay7

            Funny, Elenta;)

            There is another Eritrean I know in Europe (unlike Canadians*, Eritreans in Europe are funny:) who explains the human rights hierarchy in Sweden thusly:

            1. ኣንስቲ
            2. ቆልዑ
            3. ደማሙ/ ኣኽላብ
            4. ሰብኡት

            saay

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Saay,

            I have read similar story of a renounced Ethiopian in one of the private newspapers about 10 years ago. It was during the HS era and AAU was graduating its students. The man was a lecturer during that time and he was being called to receive a certificate for his notable service. “Ato ekele… Ato ekele… despite the repeated call he kept quiet for he hated the title “Ato”. I gues the title is changed later. I don’t know how far the story is true. Kabzi yedHnkum goitana. Haye dea kelTifu.

          • saay7

            Selamat Rahwa:

            One of my fave subjects on credentials (which is not the same as education):

            Mother: why don’t you make your mom happy and get your degree?
            Son: Mom! Why is this SO important to you? I am happy with my career and my life the way it is… So why is it SO important to you?
            Mother: because my friends and your aunts keep asking me about it and it would make me so proud and happy to tell them you have a college degree!
            Son: So what’s stopping you now from saying that?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ustaz Saleh
            Facts and links irritate my friend TK. I’m telling you, you have been in this all-out campaign for days now. Well, the Berlin negotiations have nothing to do with Tigray question.It was an Eritrean – Ethiopian negotiations. TPLF was not happy not because it feared Eritreans would give it their backs, but lecturing EPLF has always been in its nature. TPLF was mad because it was not allowed to negotiate on our behalf. After all, remember, it loves Eritrean people more than EPLF does.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Mahmud and Saay (numero sette),

            Is it really far fetched to think that TPLF really cared more about Eris than some of the EPLF leaders. For example, I sometimes feel like MZ cares more about Eris than IA.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Just curious, what makes you think PMMZ cared for Eritreans more than IA did. What if IA is doing what he’s doing because he thinks that is the best way he could serve the people he thinks he loves? Did everything PMMZ did to eritreans during the latest war indicate his love for Eritreans? PMMZ, true, was a pragmatic leader, a shrewd one. His interest was first on the people of Tigray, and then Ethiopia. It’s misleading, simplistic and too deterministic to judge EPLF by pfdj.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Mahmud,

            There are only very few things that I am sure of in this world, one of which is that IA doesn’t do anything because he loves Eritrean people. I dont think that is because as some people would day that he from Tigray bla bla… He does what he does because he is an ugly creature. Regarding MZ, if you read my comments again, I worded it very carefully…sometime, I feel…so, I am not basing my judgement on extensive analysis of any sort. It is just something and sometime I felt when I saw him talk about Eris. Of course, he had said some unfortunate things, but IA has said a lot of unfortunate things about Eritrean people, way more than MZ. I have not followed all of IA’s speeches or interviews, but I have a significant amount of them, and (correct me if I am wrong), but I have never heard IA refer to Eritrean people as ‘my people’ or to Eritrea as ‘my country’ (again, just to be 100% clear, I dont think that is because he is not ‘really Eritrean’. I think he is as Eritrean as it gets. AGAIN, He does what he does because he is an ugly creature of an unimaginable evilness).

            I agree that EPLF=/=PFDJ and that is why I said ‘some EPLF leaders’.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dearest Of all those who are dear to me, Fnote SeLam
            (to repay you back for not saluting you in my previous reply, thanks AT)
            So it was an open conditional “if” but my friend Amanuel interpreted it as if I said “IA’ loves Eritreans.
            Simple take: most brutal dictators are groomed to believe that they are the only saviors of their peoples. They are groomed by their peers, their people, and the system. I’m sure you saw Gadafi saying “My people love me,” in his last interview; we can’t say he didn’t mean it. That’s what he thought until the last day he was pulled out of the rat “burrow” and brutalized. As I’m sure you know it better than poor MaHmuday, I won’t take your time in telling you why individuals behave the way they behave. But in my simple Chegar Danga analysis:
            – He could be evil from day one, from the initial split of IA the zygote.
            – He could be a person grown up with a propensity to be an evil, his environment (society and ghedli accelerated that).
            – He could have been a decent man who found himself amid a call and his comrades starting from ELF days all the way to EPLF, to Asmarino myths of the seventies…to a leftist movement which tolerated and gave the rise to a Stalinist type of leadership…to adoring people…perhaps all these contributed to the man we all know. Therefore, it’s not easy to say he behaves the way he behaves because of this or that without studying him. The man who is considered by most awatista society as the authority on IA and Issayasism is your uncle SAAY.
            I strongly believe, he is who he is because we allowed him to be who he is in a certain period in time during our struggle when we needed a strong leadership. No question the man had mapped out his journey long before he joined ELF, and exploited everything of a good will Eritreans provided him. But EPLF leadership, its base, and Eritreans as a whole take responsibility of the making of the man menacing our beloved country. You may be too young to shoulder a part of that responsibility, but surely, your parents do. And this is pretty much predictable of a people who invest so heavily in one man. Therefore, the bitter truth is: the man believes he brought Eritrea single handedly, and his cronies reinforce that belief for their own selfish benefits.
            PMMZ emerged from a competitive circle, he can’t speak of creating TPLF MORE THAN Sebhat, Mesfin, Abay…He couldn’t behave more responsible of creating EPRDF more than the other founders, and that helped in keeping down the possibility of the emergence of a charismatic Issayas type person. Issayas consolidated his base and recognition while he was in the ELF. There was a growing force in ELF which thought was marginalized and criminalized by the leadership of ELF, and the vocal Issayas was thought of as its savior; the rest is history. Sorry, I am generous when I answer to people like you.
            So, while I have no doubt about his evilness as demonstrated by his evil policies towards Eritrea and Eritreans, I have no conclusive evidence to state he does what he does out of his hate towards Eritrea and Eritreans as some self-assured would have us believe. Whether he does it because he is innately evil or does it because he’s made a power hungry monster, the damage to Eritrea is the same. This is a task waiting for you guys: to archive it; study it; and make sure that future Eritrea belongs to all.
            I reread your question, and as you said it was carefully crafted. However, the insinuation it creates is apparent. Anyway, thanks for the clarification, and don’t ever think I mistake you for another person. I know how careful and how topic-focused you are. Keep it up.
            Regards.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Mahmud,

            To me, at least, it didn’t sound like you were defending IA. To begin with my question was a bit of a stretch for debate sake and your choice to answer my question with a pondering was legit response.

            Getting back to IA, first of all, I agree that we he create the monster that he became to be. I dont think he was born with more potential for evil than anyone of us. But, for a leader who was so much respected and given all the benefit of the doubt in the world by his people yet still he can’t bring himself to refer to the people and the country in any affectionate manner is just so mind boggling. The list of possible reasons you gave help explain his current behavior, but at the end of the day, I think he is who he is mostly because he chose to be like that. As you said, it is hard to conclude that is he particularly hateful toward Eri or Eris, it is very clear that he is hateful and resentful person and Eris happen to be the primary subject of his evil character.

            You have a good day Sir!

            FS.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Mahmud,
            How does Issayas care about Eri when he told Amb. Andebrhan “I will take down Eritrea with me”? Why do you try to defend this monster?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ustaz Amanuel

            First I did not defend IA; please don’t take words out of context. I presented my reply in a conditional question: “What if IA is doing what he’s doing because he thinks that is the best way he could serve the people he thinks he loves?”
            The “if” conditions every verb in the sentence.
            Second: You left out part of Amb. Andebrhan’s story. IA is reported in that story as saying something like ” I brought Eritrea single handedly, and I will take it down if you…” So the man believes he brought Eritrea. Why he believes so? Why he’s been made to the man he is, please read my reply to FS.
            Regards.

          • abrham

            Aya Mahmud,
            How dare you Mahmud!!, how could a trainee TPLF try to lecture the trainer EPLF? Isn’t it a taboo just to threw their views with out fear in front of the worlds greatest ever conventional gorilla fighter EPLF. This Eritrean-Ethiopian negotiation is part of their agenda and they are expected to be mad at the stances of EPLF, of course they were not hiding their resentments that makes your beloved leadership sick like what you are doing now. Anyway, how do you evaluate the stance taken by EPLF during the Dergi generals failed coup in 1989.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam abrham
            Stay cool, TK ክልክመካ እዩ። Nothing really, but again Harbegna wayanay was mad because EPLF, again, without consulting them, agreed for a short ceasefire to give the coup a chance. I believe, had that happened, we could have saved thousands of Eritreans and Ethiopians.
            You have to understand it, at this stage both EPRDF and EPLF reignited their love affair, and I don’t believe it was a selective conspiracy. Most of Durg Generals were either stationed or had long running experience with the war in Eritrea Qymulachew Dejene..MerEd Neguse…Regasa Jima…even the chief of staff…and many others. Anyway, the nucleus was from Huletegna abyotawi serawit and then you have people like Dawit Weldegiorgis who had been meeting with EPLF leadership, I am pretty sure TPLF was made privy of the situation on higher level. Even if the Generals made the coup, for EPLF sticking with TPLF would make sense, and I believe that’s what would happen; because they would have a combined weight considering EPRDF’s strength at that time.

          • abrham

            Thank you Mahmud, don’t bother am cool when I put my hands on the Keyboard. Accept this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9pOju_Z0TM, I hope you will enjoy if you have the same experience.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear SAAY,

            2. I listened to Sebhat’s interview on VoA and he was specific whom he was dealing with. The only way you can disprove his claim whether what he said is right or wrong is by testing Ethiopia’s policies towards its neighbours. TPLF(please don’t mix it with the government), at least in principle, abhors interference in others’s affairs even if that means the end results would be good. In equal measure, it resists external pressures to the extent possible. Therefore, though it could be undiplomatic to say it, Eritrea(and mutually Ethiopia too) would have been benefited much more if things were to have been moved the way TPLF had envisioned they should. There is no sophistication in it. It’s just pooling all the strengths each nation possess and invest them on sectors that benefit everyone fairly. This very idea benefits Eritreans than the ገባቲ mindset and policies of PFDJ. So he is right the cooperative olive branch Ethiopia extended to the neighbours could benefit the whole region obviously not through a one-side push mechanism but the same way the IGAD region countries are doing it at the moment. This doesn’t exclude the possibility that Eritrea wouldn’t have a responsible government in the future. Now, where I think is your twisting? it is here. Sebhat didn’t say he cares for Eritreans more than Eritreans do. He said he cares for Eritreans more than PFDJ does. And you knew it if you were honest enough and contain your urge of making a point.

            1. The “Kabey Nabey” issue has also its justifications. Taking of the benefits of hindsight, I can say it was unnecessary, even wrong. If Eritreans were not interested to push on their struggle, there is no point to make them one. But the push-factors of the time must be taken into account and the matter was much of a worry for the TPLF itself than worrying about the independence of Eritrea.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear SAAY,

            2. I listened to Sebhat’s interview on VoA and he was specific whom he was dealing with. The only way you can disprove his claim whether what he said is right or wrong is by testing Ethiopia’s policies towards its neighbours. TPLF(please don’t mix it with the government), at least in principle, abhors interference in others’s affairs even if that means the end results would be good. In equal measure, it resists external pressures to the extent possible. Therefore, though it could be undiplomatic to say it, Eritrea(and mutually Ethiopia too) would have been benefited much more if things were to have been moved the way TPLF had envisioned they should. There is no sophistication in it. It’s just pooling all the strengths each nation possess and invest them on sectors that benefit everyone fairly. This very idea benefits Eritreans than the ገባቲ mindset and policies of PFDJ. So he is right the cooperative olive branch Ethiopia extended to the neighbours could benefit the whole region obviously not through a one-side push mechanism but the same way the IGAD region countries are doing it at the moment. This doesn’t exclude the possibility that Eritrea would have a responsible government in the future. Now, where I think is your twisting? it is here. Sebhat didn’t say he cares for Eritreans more than Eritreans do. He said he cares for Eritreans more than PFDJ does. And you knew it is true if you were honest enough and contain your urge of making a point.

            1. The “Kabey Nabey” issue has also its justifications. Taking of the benefits of hindsight, I can say it was unnecessary, even wrong. If Eritreans were not interested to push on their struggle, there is no point to make them one. But the push-factors of the time must be taken into account and the matter was much of a worry for the TPLF itself than worrying about the independence of Eritrea.

          • saay7

            Selamat T.Kifle

            Don’t blame me for your speed-reading: r’ge belu aya TK: there is no “twisting.” This is what I said:

            “An interviewer for VOA-Amharic, interviewing Aboy Sebhat and asking him to rebut claims made by Gebru Asrat in his book, uses the cross-examination method of quoting the late Meles Zenawi saying that the TPLF cares more for Eritreans than Eritreans themselves; in response, Aboy Sebhat says that the TPLF cares more for Eritreans than Shaebia; cares more for South Sudan than Silva Kiir and implies that he cares more for the Americans than the US government (assuming the interviewer is interviewing him from the US.)”

            It was Meles Zenawi who is claimed to have said by the interviewer “we care more about Eritrean than Eritreans” (not challenged by Aboy Sebhat), and it is Aboy Sebhat who is claimed to have said he cares more for Eritreans than Shaebia (confirmed and expounded on)

            Here is the video (about 2 minutes), once chopped for Nitriccay: where is the twisting? I think this is fair representation of the video. Let those of you who understand Tigrinya judge:

            saay

            http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4446636

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat Sal,

            ጋዜጠኛ: ካብ ኤርትራውያን ንላዕሊ ንኤርትራ ትጣበቑ ኢሎም ይኸሱ(ኣይተ ገብሩ)። እሞ እዚ ከመይ ትርእይዎ?

            ስብሓት: ካብ ሻዕብያ ንላዕሊ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ንሕለቕ። ካብ ሳልቫ ኪር ንላዕሊ ንህዝቢ ደቡብ ሱዳን ንሕለቕ። You see the question and his answers are totally different in their dimension and meaning. I know you can identify what Sebhat had to say irrespective of the intention of the interviewer. But you opted for scoring a point hence comes the twist. Semere Andom did similar observation. And let’s see what other have to say on this particular link.

          • saay7

            Selamat T.Kifle:

            I don’t see it the way you do and therefore your assumption that I do and I am deliberately twisting it is not based on facts. I have presented the facts: it is up to the listener to make a determination. For proper context, I tried to show that there is a pattern to this…dating back to the TPLF’s accusation that both ELF and the EPLF were willing to sell out Eritrea.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            T. Kifle,

            I tend to agree there. I always held the opinion that context matters. That is why my reading of PM Meles and Aboy Sebhat are different.

            There are other important matters concerning the Tigray Regional Government (or EPRDF, I don’t know the delineation of the portfolio of the Eritrean.) That is why I was planning to meet you if I went to Ethiopia. Now that you are in Bushuftu, I am very superstitious, I wouldn’t set foot on that city unless I dragged by force. If I have to drive through it, I will not stop for a cup of tea. Whenever its name is mentioned, I go: ጦስዋን … ንፋሳ ኣይልከየና:-) To me it was a copy of what happened to the Somalis after their much publicized meeting in Asmara. But then, who knows, I might change my mind. You cannot hate a city forever… provided the walls in rooms are painted fresh to take erase the ghostly sounds that might still be there. 🙂

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Saleh GJ,

            This is funny sir. Bishoftu these days may not be similar to what you knew many years ago. And you know what you get in Addis you get in Bishoftu plus the Deluxe lake-side resorts that you can’t find any in Addis. More importantly it now is a 20 minutes drive from Addis through the express way and owns the best cappuccino and coffee maker, KALDIS COFFEE,(it’s our own starbuck 🙂 ). In Any case, we will do everything to make you comfortable including refreshing the walls through your favourite colours and all patching any holes that might be source of scare :).
            Dear Saleh, you see such is the range of tastes for human beings: Tesfaye Gebreab(I suppose you know him) loves Bishoftu. He writes and writes volumes of books and articles about it. He even attribute his writing talent to it. Unfortunately King Hailesselasie also loved it. I am not sure if your dislike to the town has any connection with the latter :). And if all what I said doesn’t convince you, we will make it in Addis and we will sit not only for cappuccino but also for KURT SIGA 🙂

            TK

          • Rahwa T

            Dear T.K.

            I don’t know if Tesfay Ghebre-ebab visits Awate.com. I don’t think he would. Because he won’t get “yemeshita bet werie” and pictures of beautiful ladies to feed his eyes. I don’t agree with your judgment of him as one of the best Amharic novel writers. He is a good writer, but to put him as one of the best is …. I don’t know what to say. I know he writes “bewQet na nbab yaltedegefe ziHuf”. If he reads your comment on him, he will be happy to see that there are few “ye Dedebit dedeb” admirers. I was very happy to see witness that his tongue was not as smart as his writing skill. I may spend a little more than 30 minutes to have glimpse of any book from him. I think “ye BurQa zimta” was the only book I read from beginning to its end. I have little respect for morally low personalities such as him regardless of their politics, religion, and citizenship.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Rahwa T.

            Get lax on him dear :). My characterization could be wrong. I read his books for their literature values. Some of them romantic novels others politically motivated as such. Yes, the guy lacks character but that’s it. He writes very well. ““bewQet na nbab yaltedegefe ziHuf””? It’s hard to conclude. True he is a high school drop-out but he also reasoned it saying he only wanted writing, had no patience to listen to his teachers, less his Amharic teacher, who looked like talking in Latin for him. He romanticizes the lakes, the mountains, the town, the girls, the green hedges he cursed them for preventing him peeking through to the other side and what not. In any case,take my opinion at face value for I couldn’t find one who wrote so much about Bishoftu like he did and wanted to bribe SGJ sir if he would reconsider his view of the town and visit us with a forward looking attitude . That’s all 🙂

            to your surprise I also enjoyed his “Yegazetegnaw” and “Yederasiw Mastewesha”. So if he is looking for “Yededebit Dedeb” fun, he surely could count on me:)
            Have a blessed day/night

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Bxay TK
            As the leading figure in the truth-bound society, I want to tell you that I respect the man, particularly after his candid answer that they should have given diplomacy a chance during the Ethio-Eritrean war. Plus, you may add some lingering reminiscence of the old time (TPLF-1), that’s why I always qualify my statements. For instance today, I said “a small lecturing wayanay circle.” And you responded as if I said hweHat. Anyway, I give the man the benefit of “any politician in his stature, given his grudge towards EPLF/PFDJ, would have said that.” It’s A safe political statement taken isolated. But the pattern SAAY is raising is clear. In peacetime this would have not been an issue. Every politician says “we care/support the people more than their parties care for them.” That’s what diplomats convey when they want to make a direct conversation with the people of the beleaguered country. But to state they cared for Eritreans more than the organization Eritreans rallied around during their years of struggle is just obnoxious.

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat Mahmuday,

            The problem, I guess, is in all of that you don’t picture the context. TPLF had to do lots of explanations why it supported the Eritrean struggle for independence. It’s not like a walk in the park my friend. More than, I can say, 50% energy is being consumed for convincing Ethiopians that the independence of Eritrea is in their best interests. So whatever you might hear the veterans say here and there is not to present themselves as the Vanguard of the Eritrean people. It’s to show that as much as they do care for their people they also do care for other people because basically not only that the interests of the common people overlap but also our struggle stands in solidarity with people experiencing similar fate of oppression. You can take is akin to the Confucius’s maxim “Don’t do unto others what you don’t want others to do unto you.”
            So TPLF cannot wish otherwise but stick to this solidarity that bolsters a common thread of cooperation.
            Their opponents keep hammering them bringing what they think EPLF and ELF did to the people of Tigray and Ethiopia in general to counter this long held TPLF’s position. Then the veterans answer with impeccable consistency that their position regarding the Eritrean people is independent of what the Eritrean fronts would think or do to Ethiopians. It’s driven from an absolute belief that irrespective of the ill-wishers from both sides, it’s inalienable right that the Eritreans as a people have their say. True to its words, the front remained loyal to its own principles irrespective of the challenges and dangers posed from both sides of the border.

            TPLFites paid a price for it when measured from short term but they knew that truth would prevail sooner than later and now in eyes of the vast majority of Ethiopians Eritrea is a neighbour. This is a great feat in itself as the other alternative has been the source of myriads of conflicts in the country and through out the neighbourhood.

            I would have expected Eritreans appreciate and defend TPLF for this unwavering time-tested position. The good thing is TPLF never expected defence or reward from any corner but lived through every conceivable challenge by providing fitting answers to every question popped up to tarnish its image and diminish its shining history.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear TK
            What’s still bothering me and I find it contained in your reply and bothers is your repletion that TPLF paid heavily for the independence of Eritrea. Let’s gloss over the facts.
            1. Eritreans fought for self-determination, so did TPLF.
            2. Eritreans bore the brunt of the brutal regime and liberated their country;
            3. Meanwhile TPLF morphed to EPRDF and liberated its country (to the dissatisfaction of Eritreans I will be modest in Eritreans’ role in the making of current Ethiopia, shush…don’t tell cousin Hope, and Gen.Nit).
            4. TPLF kept its promise (not a promise of giving Eritreans their independence on a silver platter as Gual Adem likes reminding us, but the same principle which EPRDF enshrined in its constitution- “…self-determination up to secession.” Therefore, TPLF did not have a special treatment for Eritrea. It’s a principle it fought on and applied it to Ethiopia once in power.
            5. 1991-1998: pushed its long standing principle of self-determination, the same principle that Eritreans had called for for decades (The right for self-determination). In principle Oromos, Harere…Sidama…Amara…Tigrawot…accepted it. Practically, they founded new Ethiopia on the belief that each of them could take the path Eritreans took if the Union is not perfect for their membership. Therefore, except small traditional elite class, I would imagine most nationalities of Ethiopi did not have a problem with Eritrean independence. Most of them (at least the major ones- Oromo, Afar, Tigre, Somali Ogaden, Sidama, Amara… had vanguard organizations which contributed to the downfall of Mengistu, and they did have connections with Eritrean revolution independently. So, apart of the small traditional elite group, most Ethiopians were ready for that divorce, anyway.
            6. 1998-present: EPRDF, thanks to the stupidity and arrogance of PFDJ and its boss, has capitalized on the war. It has won back the traditional elites which had initially created speed bumps on wayane/EPRDF way of pacifying Ethiopia; it consolidated its rule. So, my friend, let’s put things back to context. The ” we paid heavily for the independence of Eritrea” has little weight.
            7. I try not to dwell on ” We did this for you” arguments; if you remember, oce you replied to someone: ሂበ ዝብል ኣይሃብካ። Plus, whatever of good will that had been invested politically among the organizations has been squandered anyway. The remaining is a task of confidence building for the sake of good neighborliness, just like any other neighbors.
            የ ዛሪው ሓተታ በዚህ ይጠናቀቃል።

          • Abi

            Selam Mahmud
            Please erase your #5. I have witnessed how EPRDF struggled to convince ethiopians about your independence. IA saved it from its misery by invading us . I’ve said it before , I will say it again in front of TK ( the closest to tplf/eprdf) that the war is the best thing that happened to unite ethiopians behind eprdf. As simple as that.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey Abi
            Let’s stay there until we find a customer for it. But if TPLF fought on the principle of the right for self-determination, if it could convince Ethiopians of putting that in their constitution, what’s the big talk for when it comes to Eritrea. Ethiopians had know anyway wayane was a Tigray organization formed for the right of self-determination of Tigray, later morphed into all-Ethiopian. I don’t mean that there was no opposition. I agree with you the best thing that happened to them was what? No Abi, the best thing that happened to them was Gebru Asrat becoming the governor of Tigray, you know what I mean.

          • Abi

            Hi Mahmud
            Hold it right there on the constitution. Where have you been ? I need to know. Listen to me buddy!
            It was the easiest thing to convince those men and women who sighed or ratified the constitution. You know why? Because the parties were clones of EPRDF. ” beAmsalu yefeTerachew” . They were told to sign and clap and they did just that.
            The problem was to convince someone like me who was against everything EPRDF. I can’t say the words I used to describe eprdf on this family friendly site. As I said the problem and the struggle was to convince the population.
            You have to atleast appreciate what eprdf had to go through to maintain its stand in supporting eritreans independence. It has taken a lot of heat specially from the elite. If you only read all the magazines and newspapers you would understand what I mean. It was just relentless.
            It took tplf like 17 years from dedebit to Addis. If IA didn’t invade us, eprdf would have needed 100 years to convince us .
            Thank you Mr President for your help to convince us and unite us.
            Yeqenyeley

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Abi
            I know you want TK have a a wide grin and an air of cheerfulness. But be fair wendme. Ethiopians saw it coming anyway; it was not a brand new revelation that occured to Harbegna wayanena once it occupied the state palace. So, it was expected, and I believe it was a done deal except few pockets that could have included Eyobay, amde, and talaQu abi…
            I was in Addis twice in those years and I was mesmerized by the mashrooming “papers”, some of them coming out overnight, and mostly one page units papered with apoclyptic news.
            Thanks to bxay IA, and yes, your leadership, and sorry to the tens of thaousands who died, the work has been made easier for Wayanena.
            Remember, in my book, you are the Ethiopian Nit, who says what’s in his mind.The stuff of wondmamoch is gone now; it’s a business as usual. We can have good neighborliness based on mutual respect apart from the “egna wondmamoch nen” thing; just like any other heighbors once the dust settles. Ethiopian and Eritrean interests are not necessarily exclusive to eahc other ; I repeat, if given chance, both countries have nothing to fight over, and their interests for most part are alighned.
            enashenfalen.
            Have a good one.

          • Abi

            Hi Mahmud
            One last thing before you say ” anta suq bel”Don’t forget the derg propaganda we consumed. ” GenTayina asgenTay”
            On the lighter not , you called me the ethiopian Nit. Moche barefkut !!!
            You know I and Nit don’t see eye to eye. We are the same side of a magnet always repealing each other. Now I know why. I promise to elevate myself from that level. I didn’t know I was that low.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey abi
            That’s a compliment from my vantage point. Gen.Nit, you the guy I’m always accused of what? Mentoring?
            Be good, ok.

          • Ted

            Abi, i thought you knew Eritreans. If some artist were to sculpt different form of Eritrean, the staring block will be Nitricc. Begna beit Mireqa newe.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Kbur Hawey TK,

            A little busy today because this is first day at work for me after 21 days off. I will follow those links with kin interest tomorrow. I thank you for that.

            Hayat said something like she likes math this one time, and I had to make it her profession for that lame humor I attempted.

            Bishoftu? I can’t wait to visit!

            PS
            I am always very interested to read everything you post especially when you end up getting on SAAY’s nerves.
            Selam

          • saay7

            Selamat Fanti Ghana:

            In great honor of Your Fantiness, I will respect your wishes and treat it as Sunday reading. I have a decision to make between now and Sunday whether to go nuclear and prove to you without reasonable doubt that your assumptions of Hayat Adem are all wrong (tragically, beautifully wrong) or focus on my errant children like my cousin Sem. I have a whole week. If this piques your interest I have two words for you: Ali Salim.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat SAAY,
            ግደፈኒ በጃኻ ተ.ክ. መፂኡኒ አሎ ሕጂ:: ቡኑ እንተይወደአ መልሲ ፅሒፉ ዝገርመካ፡፡

          • saay7

            Selamat His Fantiness:

            Well, that was predictable: T Kifle is as fanatical about his TPLF as any unrepentant PFDJ is about EPLF. Does that really surprise you one bit? I mean the ONLY think T Kifle faults TPLF is for being too accommodating and nice about the EPLF/PFDJ.

            What is next is that Hayat Adem will talk to her “knowledgeable” friends at TPLF and take u to task for Gebru Asrat and his anti Eritreanism and how he was a swell misunderstood guy demonized by the PFDJ. Just set ur timer:)

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Brother Fanti Ghana
            You are a beautiful human being; keep the hope alive. Peace will prevail; warmongering crowds are losing ground. I lived war and you saw it first hand in refugee camps. Unfortunately few individuals keep dragging us into matters neither they nor we have enough evidence of for ruling one way or another except presenting circumstantial anecdotes in order to enable the young reader draw their conclusion or get them motivated to do their own research.
            I am very happy to see you back. Hopefully, you will share with us your latest impression on current Ethiopian developments (I read you have just come back) and Eritreans situation there, if you have encountered some.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Ustaz Mahmud, and thank you brother.

            I was just looking for you to get your attention to burbank, aka Fresh Air.
            I was on a tight schedule shuttling between Adama (Nazret) and Addis with little time for fun. I was staying in a very tall hotel from which I could see most of Addis, and it still looks like it is under construction. I didn’t have a chance to mingle around with “strangers” but I witnessed a few Eritrean sounding folks a couple of times.
            Selam.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Fanti Ghana,
        .
        Please interfere more often. I am proud of you.
        .
        K.H

    • Gebrekirstos

      Dear Hayat,
      It is unfortunate that you have to spend your time on correcting unfounded accusations and deliberate presentations. It is extremely sad that great minds have to be dragged to this muddy level. I wish you can resist this temptation to correct deliberate accusations because no amount of correcting will change the minds of those who accuse you for the accusations are not true in the first place. Those of us who are interested in ideas and your contributions do not and will not buy any of these accusations and misrepresentations. It is my belief that those who accuse you want to put you on the defensive thereby dragging the advance of meaningful exchange of ideas. They are successful if they make you talk about such points, and like them.

      Hayat, I urge you to walk the high grounds of ideas that you always do. I feel sad sometimes that there are no people in this forum that can engage you with the honesty, integrity and straightforwardness that is so characteristic of you. Hayat, you are of a different league, one that walks the terrains of ideas with ease and elegance. Please continue to walk there and to pull those of us up to those terrains.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Gebre,
        Thank you so much. You are beautiful. As I move forward, I’ll always remember you and your note.
        Hayat

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear queen of thoughts,

          ቀኒአ ንግስቲ ሓሳባት :: ግዳ ቅዱስ ቅንኢ ! didn’t I say the same several times?

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes Kokhobay,
            ኢልካኒ’ምበር ብዙሕ ብዙሕ፣ ግን ኣይትሓዘለይ- ከምዚ ኣብ ሓደ ገዛ ዘለና ስድራ ኮይኑ ይስመዓኒ ምሳካሲ። ካን ድማ ኣጓኒኺኒ ክተብለኒ ኢኻ ኮኮባይ፡) Much love! Hayat

      • tes

        Dear Gebrekirstos,

        Did you read my response to you last time? Just to remind you.

        I am sorry for not respecting your obligatory duty for you are popping now and then to give your condolence. I have to respect your commendable job for not forgetting your messengers.

        tes

        • Rahwa T

          Hi Tes,
          I am surprised peoples are reading your restless comments. They call it it “enChet enCHet yemil zbaznki”. Your really have a very image of yourself. Buy a good mirror and see your image again. Insulting great people will not raise an inch from your lower level.

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T,

            Unfortunately you are one of my readers. I have a proof for this: If you were not reading, you could not have responded as I didn’t address it to you.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa,

            እንዴ ይህ እማ ኣይገባም! በቃ እንዳለ ይነገራል :- ትንሽ ዘልቅ ኣድርጎ ነው እንጂ::

            ካን ድኣ ብሓደ ኣፊቱ !

        • Ted

          tes, the condolence letter would been more moving and dramatic if Rahwa T were to read it at the closing ceremony of Gual Adem’s office in Meqelle.

          • tes

            Hi Ted,

            This is very good idea. But there will be a fierce competition between Rahwa T and Kim Hanna. Fanti Ghana might not join the crowds though he looks an already dead peace broker.

            tes

          • Ted

            tes, Fanti threw his towel on the right time. He has taken punches on both side of his chicks enough to make him know the out come of the match. He will be good commentator out of the ring. Eritreans only to get in the ring with no 3 KO rule the whole 12 rounds for victory.

    • AOsman

      Dear Hayat,

      I have not read the detail of everything you had said in the past, but as a regular reader of the forum debate, I am slightly confused why the word “invasion” is taking center stage.

      My understanding was that the option of intervention you proposed was based on the following assumptions:

      1. INCAPACITY – Eritrean opposition cannot change PFDJ
      2. URGENCY – The situation has deteriorated to a life and death situation
      3. TRUST – Ethiopia can be trusted to limit potential ambitions.
      4. UNION – Is good and if it is expedited there is nothing to fear.

      So the debate revolved around factors #2 and #3 to consider the benefit of intervention. We were also reminded by our Ethiopian awatista that after our kolel, that it was likely that intervention would not be in Ethiopia’s interest and after convincing us, you might have to go on a begging session.

      In any case, you have been on SAAY case in the recent past and have gone to dig for something from dehai to push some level of responsibility on the border war, I see fair game on his part to list your comment, but it would have been better if the debate focused on addressing the merits of the options rather than both being pushed to defending yourself.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Semere Andom

        AOsman:

        “…… why the word “invasion” is taking center stage.”

        Because it was span by the talented PFDJ lairs in this form and the those with softness for PFDJ) run with it

        • tes

          Jok of the day!!!

        • saay7

          Selamat Cousin iSem:

          You are still at it… let me help out my cousin. If this doesn’t work, I am going to have Cousin Gheteb have at you and he is a take-no-prisoners-kill’em-all-let-God-sort’em-out kinda guy:

          Step 1: Go to google.com
          Step 2: type “Eritrea Ethiopia”
          Step 3: On the search options by date, choose March 1, 2012 – March 31, 2012
          Step 4: Read all the headlines from the various news outlet
          Step 5: Report back to awate.com

          saay

      • tes

        Dear AOsman,

        Actually saay7 didn’t go that far. After Kim Hanna and Hayat Adem came with a loud cry of challenging tes to proof where exactly Hayat Adem said as said, literally calling me unable to source her and unfounded challenge, I became so reluctant and lazy to go all along and give here the references. It was at this moment that saay7 went and brought all the references as he is the archive central administrator, he knows where exacly each file is kept and how to pull any needed materials.

        This is what Kim Hanna wrote to me during her request to bring evidences

        “You are in academia and it should not be difficult for you to put the exact original expression of her INVASION statement in quotation for all of us to see. This is a simple request. If I see you bringing other issues or me or worse tell me to read Mahmud’s piece I will be disappointed and surmise that you cannot produce it.”

        And her constant call even repeating it to Ted

        “The reason I was challenging tes to produce the quote was to make it crystal clear for everyone, he was so specific in his comment.”

        Therefore, saay7 was only providing the requesting materials on behalf of me and as librerian, it is reasonable to do so.

        tes

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam Saleh Gadi,

    Opps! It was truncated. I apologize and here is the bigger version.

    “Selam Saleh Gadi,
    “This is a bribe, in a nice way, the legitimate kind of bribe. I thought of offering it in preparation for the next edition of Negarit….Please accept this Arabic poem which I wrote over fifteen years ago while I lived in Kuwait.”

    Don’t be a self-conscious about this…’Forget your perfect offering…’ (A. Cohen). For me, this is a timely offering, better than a perfect offering. Only I am afraid there are few listeners, as ever….EREY!

    Anyone who warned us about the ‘unwinnable war’ (a phrase you used in one of your articles criticising those who supported the war, such as the late Dr. Tekie Fessehatsion) should be conferred with ‘posthumous sainthood:)”

    There is a border war. And there is the border war. The last war we had completely disfigured Eritrea and changed the course of Eritrean history–for the worse. And we should have been very prudent for our own good.Nay natu’s helifu dehan…nay lomi gedede!

    Your ‘offering’ is really timely. People forgot the lessons of history. We can’t afford to fight a war, really any war, especially with Ethiopia. And every ‘focus on sovereignty’ without FOCUSING on the possible causes of the war; LEGAL/POLITICAL justification Ethiopia can successfully pull off is a deja-vu of the last horror story. I dread to see some Eritreans who should have known better are stuck with ‘luelawnet’ issue only. Truth is any attack on Eritrea would certainly constitute attack on sovereign nation. No doubt about that. But, that is mistaking an elephant for its tail, as the story goes. Question is there something Ethiopia can do to justify its attacks legally and politically? Thanks to Isaias regime’s extremely destructive and suicidal policy of harboring anti-Ethiopian regime militants, conceivably, Ethiopia can make a successful war narrative. Simple hint; harboring these groups by itself is a clear violation of UNSC sanctions.

    At any rate, Ethiopia may not go to war—for now. But, should it prefer (God forbid), I am afraid ‘the lanterns’ of war and terror can be lighted any time…Unrepentant of us, we would still fail to recognize if we did anything in the first place to give it a legal/political cover; rather chant ‘sovereignty’ at safe distance while the innocents would perish. Again.

    Yours,

    Ghezae

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Gezae,

      You have explained here why Ethiopia has legal and political justification to wage war on Eritrea. Ok, so what do you expect Eritreans to do to avoid that and if not how are Eritreans expected to react?

      Thanks,

      FS.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Ghezae,

      Yes, there are some choices with which Ethiopia could instigate a war with Eritrea, but there are no exit strategies that won’t leave Eritrea and the region in a much worst quagmire. Taking the US’s experience in Afghanistan and Iraq with over a trillion dollars budget and lots of sophisticated modern armament as an example, it would be extremely costly for Ethiopia to intervene unless it means to stay indefinitely and find a way of financing itself from that occupation, or find a replacement for PFDJ quickly and get out. In the first case, the consequences are too horrible to contemplate, but in the later case, that government would have absolutely no public support, and it is back to a very complicated square one. I believe the possible civil war scenario has been universally rejected, which leaves us with the only option (close your eyes for a moment Mr. Amanuel): chisel a few from the top and reform PFDJ.

      • Tafla

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        It took you just a few sentences to diagnose the problem and come up with the most uncomfortable, yet most probable solution and way forward for Eritrea. It would be easier (not easy !) to reform the PFDJ than reforming the opposition.

        Best regards
        Tafla

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Tafla,
          I had the same position almost a year ago when, briefly, discussing it with Ali Salim, but I was “chickening” about it because it is an unpopular position to find oneself in.

          • Ted

            Hi Fanti, it says a lot, then you “chickening” now telling your position. It is not coincidence, the political thinking has changed dramatically people asking what is best for Eritrea. Some opposition claim IA as killer criminal who cant’t be reformed and by the same token they can be accused of as national traitors should be subjected to the same guillotine they are prescribing him for. This will not take us no where. It will take time but reform is right path for peace.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        So you are from those who believe, that there is no alternative except Eritrea to be governed by the PFDJ class and their system. So also you are from those who believe there is “one man institution” that govern our Eritrea? There is nothing wrong to have that opinion, but I could understand what kind of Eritrea you are wishing after all the misery we are going through that includes all kinds of killing. So in your view there is no political culture of the organization that has to do with all this social upheaval eating our social fabrics? At least you make it clear your position and history will make judgement when things are done and continue its course, our country repelling its young from its womb under the political culture of PFDJ.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Fanti Ghana

          Dearest Mr. Amanuel,

          For what it is worth, I had this position for quite sometime. I may have been evasive about it because it put me in the same class with Ali Salim, but my logic, if you can call it that, is that try something to stop the bleeding, and if some form of democracy can be established in the potentially reformed PFDJ’s Eritrea, it may open doors for newer and more rigorous reforms through peaceful means. I know justice should be served whenever possible, but when the perpetrator and the victim are so fused together and the pain is too deep and the alternatives are ambiguous at best, I believe forgiveness and reconciliation can play a major healing role instead.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            How are the perpetrator and the victims are fused together? Do you mean we can’t identify the victims and perpetrators? My dear, the family of the victims are crying day and night out there. The perpetrators are those who are in the pyramidal hierarchy of PFDJ system. How could you miss this facts. Hiseblu deA.
            regards,

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Again Mr. Amanuel,
            The “fused together” I meant it in its wider application as in “in the same family.” However, there is also the once “serving justice” begins it would be unavoidable to get drawn into how far back to go to really satisfy justice. I am sure you can imagine the chain reaction. As you well know, Eritrean’s experience of the last 100 or so years has been nothing but ordinary, and I am just fishing for an extra ordinary solution. I remember I used to advocate for Isaias’ head on a platter not long ago, but the more I think about it the more convinced I am that that changes nothing.

          • Peace!

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I pretty much agree with you. The easiest (not really easy) and most predictable approach is REFORM. And those who reject reform have failed to come up with alternative to deliver change.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Deare Emma,

            The best way to argue someone with clear position is to offer him best alternative. Otherwise, your argument remains “Wuha K’ida Wuha M’les” Please enlighten us why your position is better than others.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw peace,

            I have gone many cycles to show my position and the alternative solutions I see from my vantage point and experience. It start with building trust and building alliances against PFDJ. The rest approach is what was spelled out in the EFND’s “proposed platform & internal working memorandum” of October 2014. Actually it was debated in this forum intensively. Are you going to ask me again after six months. I hope not.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            Yes Emma, your approach is vey complicated and too risky that it invites foreign forces to invade the sovereign country to impose their will and make any future government a junior partner. I already know that, but my point was urging you to sale your case, not to dismantle others’.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,

            “መን መርዓት ምስ በለክን ትኳሓላ” ይብሉ ደቂ ዓድና :

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            You asked me and I gave you my answer. You are telling to sell my case, and I did on October 2014 with my colleagues (refer my comment above). But let me ask you a question. Do you want to preserve the political system of PFDJ? Do you trust the value system of PFDJ? Your answer to these two questions will tell me your position.

            You have said my approach is “very complicate”. May be. May be you are also hinting for me to simplify it. If that is the case, let me explain to you. If the problem is “complicate and complex in nature”, which is true in our case, it requires a complicate resolution to find the “resultant” of all the diverging factors from the center of gravity that holds our unity. So brother Peace, I don’t think you are feeling the social tension within our population and the mistrust that kept us at different ends. Therefore, I am here to say it publicly again, which I have said it in many instances, that the so called “silent majority” are “silent” not because of the weaknesses of the oppositions, but because of the deep mistrust within our social groups (be it religious, regional, or ethnic). They are not even simple “silent majority” they are “silent majority groups” waiting resolutions for their grievances before they even engage to fight the regime. Talking politics in this forum without knowing the problems within us, is just simply for self-gratifications that doesn’t contribute to the resolutions of our real social problems, that are created by PFDJ system. Issayas will go sooner or later, but the PFDJ system and the mistrust as well as the polarization within us will continue to persist, as far as we are not conscious beyond nationalism to address our real problems. Issayas and his PFDJ are the causes of our ills. Removing issayas and keeping PFDJ at the helm is tantamount to killing the guard but leaving the prisons and prisoners intact. All the aggrieved groups who are passive in the current struggle know surely what that mean to them. Hence they will remain as “silent majority groups” waiting their opportunity time. This is my reading, the clouds of instability are hovering over us, and unless we deal with it seriously and maturely we will be in trouble.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hope

            Dear Peace,
            But he admitted repeatedly that he has no solutions to offer ,other than being an expert on refuting new ideas and solutions….
            Remember what Akhlilu Zere said to him when he tried to refute SAAY suggestions?
            Something should be better than NOTHING!

          • Hope

            Welcome back Dr Fanti Ghana,
            Absolutely sensible and reasonable arguement,sir!
            I guess that is why you are a Doctor..
            There is no overnight change or reform,rather,it should be a step-wise Reform…..and if accompanied with National Reconciliation–hoping to be followed by the implementation of the Ratified Constitution,…..
            As Ustaz Johar re-phrased/compromised his rhetoric lately,”weeding out ” should be a principle to bring a real change.
            We have to move on with the current development…
            If the EU made a u-turn and is going to fund Eritrea with $380 million,along with the Mining Industry income,the PFDJ might win the Marathon…but the opposition seems to be retreating—
            Hope not to go back to square one…and PIA might tell us and the EU–Ne-dekhum mai wiredula!
            Our debate should focus on reality and practicality of the solutions,not on academia style debate…
            N.B;
            Forget about the Ethiopian Factor—–it is a dead issue on arrival..
            Let the desperados keep dreaming about it…,which is a serious sign of failure…..desperation,’Enie kemotkugn serdo aybkel” thing!

          • Hope

            Welcome back Dr Fanti Ghana,
            Absolutely sensible and reasonable arguement,sir!
            I guess that is why you are a Doctor..
            There is no overnight change or reform,rather,it should be a step-wise Reform…..and if accompanied with National Reconciliation–hoping to be followed by the implementation of the Ratified Constitution,…..
            As Ustaz Johar re-phrased/compromised his rhetoric lately,”weeding out ” should be a principle to bring a real change.
            We have to move on with the current development…
            If the EU made a u-turn and is going to fund Eritrea with $380 million,along with the Mining Industry income,the PFDJ might win the Marathon…but the opposition seems to be retreating—
            Hope not to go back to square one…and PIA might tell us and the EU–Ne-dekhum mai wiredula!
            Our debate should focus on reality and practicality of the solutions,not on academia style debate…
            N.B;
            Forget about the Ethiopian Factor—–it is a dead issue on arrival..
            Let the desperados keep dreaming about it…,which is a serious sign of failure…..desperation,’Enie kemotkugn serdo aybkel” thing!

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Hope,

            I have a Nitricc mask in my closet and sometimes you tempt me to put it on–I always resist the urge. But you ate not making it easy for me. This is the third time I am asking you not to address me with half-sentences and make statements that you can’t handle.

            You wrote: “As Ustaz Johar re-phrased/compromised his rhetoric lately,”weeding out ” should be a principle to bring a real change.”

            Can you elaborate what the heck that means? Your salad bar comments don’t help, you are all over the place and insert irresponsible comments in between. For your knowledge, I am hoping someone weeds out the lang-langa whose position changes three times in every season before the PFDJ is “weeded out.”

            I am waiting for your elaboration, s’il vous plait. I hate putting on the Nitric mask. Help me here.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ehhh, Fanti Ghana,

        Send me your address, I need to send you a menthol chewing gum to erase the stains of your last sentence from your tongue 🙂

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Memhir,
          Gosh, I forgot about you! Do you still have connections to Negash? I will be spending a month or so around there this Dec-Jan, and I don’t mind cleaning the gates of the Mosque for three days (I will video tape it) if you can manage to look the other way whenever I talk about this subject. I will keep it to the minimum too.

  • AOsman

    Hi Semere,

    I was buffled by Mizaan’s group 4, maybe it was a teaser and he wanted to have a little fight with Tes by lumping him with chauvinists :), I just laughed seeing it. At times it is difficult to follow a discussion before you know it branches off everywhere.

    The milligram experiment if you watch it once, it is difficult to forget.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gPYCRfHg3Q

    Regards
    AOsman

    • Hayat Adem

      Thanks AOsman,
      I hadn’t known of this experiment before you put it here. It is quite an eye-opener not that it is a fresh discovery but it really serves as a touchable reminder on how people can be clueless and yet as clueless as they are on a hidden science, they can be decisive to knowingly and willingly torture a person with a 450v electricity. There are always few who always remain conscience conscious and take responsibility to save the day, or at least boycott to be part of damaging crowd. Is that why we had herd of pigs that count in millions on the one hand and only less than a handful people like Gadi in the sane world?
      Hayat

      • AOsman

        Selamat Hayat,

        It is socking to know how easily we can be manipulated, so we must always self reflect and question what we doing and where we are going.

        Apart to that with your last comment, you are pocking some awatista to come and have a fight, neger delikhi alekhi :).

        Regards
        AOsman

    • Saleh Johar

      a-osman,
      You need to watch a movie name The Experiment, starring Forest Whitaker. It is about a similar topic and how people obey authority. Do you have Netflex access where you are?

      • AOsman

        Don’t have Netflex access, but a friend who is good at getting movies, will check with him.

  • ‘Gheteb

    The Eritrean Opposition’s EU Thing

    As it is bruited by some redoubtable media outlets, The European Union is set to begin providing Eritrea with development aid. It is reported that the EU plans to provide a substantial bilateral aid package worth 312 million Euros which is a threefold increase from the 2009 aid package of 122 million Euros.

    This news elicited a reaction, an overreaction to be precise, from those who profess to be in the business of opposing the PFDJ and their foreign political soul mates who hail from the groves of academia and The Fourth Estate.

    “Stop EU Funding Of Eritrea” has become the cri de Coeur of these Eritrean anti-PFDJ groupings. The news of the EU aid to Eritrea is more than likely welcomed by the majority of the Eritrean bien pensants with an open arm while this news item has literally sent those who oppose the PFDJ up in arms. Indignantly upset, they have already started a campaign to dissuade the EU from extending (offering) this fund to Eritrea. They have presented an embarrassment ( that means a plethora or an overabundance) of spurious rationales to express “their profound opposition”. Note that they are not only opposing the EU aid to Eritrea, but they are doing it [ opposing] so profoundly. By my recent counts, three websites including Awate dot com, 21 opposition groups/Rights groups, 39 individuals and some 19 foreign academics/journalists/ Rights advocates have signed the petition to EU to stop its aid package to Eritrea. Here are some examples of the ‘ spurious rationales’ they have so far presented.

    1) The Eritrean Government is the root cause of Refugee Crisis.

    2) The EU aid is tantamount to rewarding repression

    3) The EU ( Brussels) should shun Eritrea ( Asmara) until Issais Afeworki allows UN investigators to enter the country

    4) This EU package is making light of the Government of Eritrea’s dismal rights records.

    5) This EU aid will make it very hard for Eritreans fleeing their country to gain refugee status in Europe.

    Well, I said previously that the reasons of those opposing EU aid to Eritrea — enumerated above — are a touch apocryphal. Why? Let us look what The EU Commissioner for International Cooperation and Development, Neven Mimca. has to say: ” The EU’s main reason for offering aid package is to address social and economic exclusion in migrants’ countries of origin in a bid to halt the crisis”. Well, here again according to the April 2, 2015, rfi, ” The EU is considering boosting aid to Eritrea to fund infrastructure projects and help in job creation with the hope that employed youths will cease to embark on the treacherous trek across the Shara Desert.”

    One need not be utterly gifted to see that what the opposition elements are saying and what the EU’s goals vis-à-vis EU’s aid package to Eritrea are indeed antipodal in the sense that the EU is saying “milk the cow” while the opposition groups are saying ” kill the cow”, in line of the Tigrigna saw ” Ane Hileba Yiblo, Nsu Hirda Ybil”. That is not all to it when it comes to the wrongheadedness of the Eritrean opposition’s tack or stance regarding this EU aid package to Eritrea and that is what I dub as “The Eritrean Thing”.

    Well, this “Eritrean Thing” is nothing more than feeling the Eritrean pain. I mean really getting it what it is that the Eritrean demos or masses are going through these days. The thing is the privation, hardship and immiseration of the Eritrean people and anything that may even remotely alleviate that suffering should supersede any and all political posturing, jockeying and grandstanding. Well, I believe in this simple statement. In real life desirability does not equal to necessity. Yes, who wouldn’t agree that it is highly desirable that Eritrea is a Jeffersonian democracy with a stellar human rights records with all the democratic accouterments. Well, the reality, I mean the stark reality in Eritrea these days, is whether one likes it or not is an environment that is suffused with dire needs and people besieged and literally buffeted by daily demands and necessity. Therefore, addressing this necessity is what should be given the top priority and not what some people who lead a comfortable life in the Diaspora find to be highly desirable.

    That the situation of the Eritrean populace is dire and the fact that the PFDJ led Eritrean government is doing what it can to provide basic services ( subsided food items, medical care and education) is evidenced by the Canadian Ambassador to Eritrea in his recent testimony to the Canadian parliament

    What the ambassador also noted was the fact that all the schools and clinics in Eritrea are run by local government funds and no foreign NGOs involvement. This was rendered to show the contrast that unlike other African countries, Eritrea has done more with much less.

    That being the case, why are those who profess to oppose the PFDJ led Eritrean government never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to show the Eritrean people that when it comes to the general welfare of Eritrean people, priority number one is the well being of the Eritrean populace and not some political grandstanding.

    • saay7

      Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

      This is what I meant by leave the bb/pellet guns and go for the real thing.

      A compelling argument. I will join with my piece (kinda like the minority opinion of a supreme court split decision ruling) at some point. But for now, thanks and cri de coeur? You have to tell us, parenthetically, what these phrases mean;) like this: Mon rouge crayon est dans le maison. (My red pencil is in the house.)
      Saay

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Sal
        Tergemma please, low tekeremtta:-)

        • saay7

          Hala Cousin iSem:

          It is one of those posts that was trying to decide whether it wants to be a front page article or a reply to Cousin Gheteb and I guess it ended up being neither.

          The brief version is that I oppose the Eritrean opposition petition that is asking EU to reconsider its decision to provide development aid to the Isaias Afwerki regime on tactical, strategic, humanitarian grounds. And, I was saying that this “engagement”was just a continuation of the 6-year funding (2007-2013) when EU provided funding which was supposedly conditioned on Isaias improving Eritrea’s human rights and just as it did then it will learn that the purpose of the current funding (reducing Eritrean migration) will not be realized.

          Clearer?

          saay

  • T..T.

    Hi Mizaan,

    Allow me to add the following:

    Political criminals: Enda conspiracies hatchers are those who behave like opposition but busy seeking loopholes and ambiguities such as devious interpretation that are used by Isayasists in order to promote hatred and mistrusts with the people of the neighboring countries. This group includes Enda exploitative political middlemen and Enda intelligentsia exploitative groups.

    Greedy bloodsuckers are those who are empowered to tamper with or unravel Eritrean social fabrics by targeting their cohesiveness to reinforce the tyranny’s divide and rule. This group includes: Enda monthly salaries, Enda Koboro, Enda exploitative interest groups, and Enda Mi’Enti Mogogo.

  • sara

    Dear, maazen
    my greetings, and i wish you well!
    i also would have liked to write you a long reply, but to save space for the forumers i will be brief,
    1- as i told you earlier, i think Mr Andom is an elder and i still hold our elders in high esteem
    and wouldn’t be appropriate it engage in personal discussion with him.
    2- because from your comments i felt you are younger and you know each other better than others.
    Btw, i know you are not a slave, how could you.. you never took part in our liberation struggle
    or the defence of our sovereignty.
    3- i don’t see , there is a reason you shouldn’t ask her directly.
    as for your opinion, that you are equal to those elders you mentioned, that is your opinion and will
    not argue with you of it, but as for me and many eritreans, we feel that this are people who gave us
    that expensive gift (hadaya) called eritrea, and in no way we feel equal to them, they were and are slaves of eritrea. simply said i wouldn’t be an eritrean if they haven’t delivered that GIFT.

  • tes

    Dear Mizaan;

    Good for nothing copy-paste student. You were a student of YG and now you are a confused graduated student of “school of opportunistists”. You know nothing about political line of thinking. Please come with new formulas if you can.

    As for me, I don’t care about your categorization. I know where I stand and what I advocate for.

    tes

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Mizaan:
    Tes and Gheteb also do not belong there. Tes is just confused. Gheteb and Mahmud probably belong in the same group

    • tes

      Dear Semere Andom,

      I kindly say, I am not confused but I confuse for those who are already confused and hopeless people.

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam Saleh Gadi,
    “This is a bribe, in a nice way, the legitimate kind of bribe…”
    Don’t be a self-cons

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Ghezae
      I am not good at understanding one-liners. I din’t understand what you are trying to say. Please elaborate.

  • selam

    Hayat

    You said the following

    Did I call for Ethiopian military help? Yes. What kind of help? A narrowly defined military package, under the invitation of the Eritrean opposition forces, with a good will of Eritreans at large, preferably under AU or IGAD initiative for a short period (weeks) focused on a mission of tipping the balance in favor of the opposition, but a mission that includes no political, security and governance affairs.

    Her is what she wrote about the Ethiopian oppositions in Tesfanews.com
    hayat • 5 days ago
    Onlf are non existent by this time. They have all been rooted out for good by the Ethiopian army and the liyu police.today, the Ethiopian army does not even have to ho their. The Somalis themselves are tired of their stupid tactics. It is the Somali themselves with the support of the liyu police who are hunting them like rats we ever they go. That is why I hey are begging the government to reconcile with them…..anyway, the 100 that stretches from the oil fields to the djubutee border has been cleared of any nomadic settlements and to army is in full control of it. If the dare come near to it, do be it…the will be roasted as usual.kkkkk

    hayat who are you trying to fool ,

    The responsibility of the rest of us is clear. It is to identify and expose the reckless lies of warmongers and never to collude with them. It is time to re-awaken the great popular movements that brought the hailesilisye and dergi to their neath with their ETHIOPIA TIKDEM TEMA. Most important, it is to prevent the conquest of ourselves: our minds, our humanity, our self respect. If we remain silent, victory over us is assured, and a blood shed on our people . people like hayat should be challenged by any means any how any where any time. She is the most silk to tell her ideas , she is tirless on bringing war to Eritrea.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Mahmuday and…

    Sometimes I let things go as less for urgency or obviousness when said one time or more just because there are too many things to correct and re-register. I don’t mind when some exaggerate spin, twist or altogether bulldoze little or big facts but I mind when people like you do. Sometimes, it makes tired to remind people of little things here and there. I feel the pain when Semere tried repeatedly to correct people on facts but they keep on doing it. What does it take to say sorry for making factual errors. And what does it take in taking caution not to repeat them. Only honesty and some sense of good purpose. These are just two elements. In my judgement about you, if I may have some doubts on the first, certainly I’ve none on the latter. The only way I can’t call you the name you hate is if you go ahead and erase the following two knowledge items from your mind.
    1) Do not present me as if you have ever heard or read me calling Ethiopia to invade Eritrea.
    2) Do not present me as if you have ever heard or read me calling for war between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

    Did I call for Ethiopian military help? Yes. What kind of help? A narrowly defined military package, under the invitation of the Eritrean opposition forces, with a good will of Eritreans at large, preferably under AU or IGAD initiative for a short period (weeks) focused on a mission of tipping the balance in favor of the opposition, but a mission that includes no political, security and governance affairs. In my definition, that would be the less costly shorter way of shortening the life of this abnormal regime, and help us avoid the civil war Eritrea is inching towards every single day PFDJ is allowed to continue the status quo.

    I don’t buy the 1997 story. I don’t buy the Adimirug story. I don’t buy the killing of the Eritrean officers story. Not because I believe they didn’t happen but because they are zero-weight items in causing the 1998 war. PIA wanted to sell them as excuses for his action but he couldn’t because they were weightless events. If they were important, I would have heard them when they happened. The world would have heard them then. If Ethiopia and Eritrea could continue their normal relationship up to the events of May 1998, it is automatic that whatever issues were prior May 1998 must have been not grave enough to force the two governments to sever their relationship. It is not easy for a person like me to buy lame retrospective events as causative factors when they were not. Give it to somebody else, to the Nitriccs, to the selams, to the Ghetebs, not to me. It was difficult to convince neutral parties to move the clock back. It has nothing with the manner PIA handled it. In fact, he was smart of him to try to push the crisis back to 1997. At least, he has succeeded in convincing many Eritreans, yourself included.

    So the 1998 war was out of nothing and unwarranted and painful. If you don’t call the Badime take over by force an act of invasion, what do you call it, then? The logic of sending your army to a locality of another country, crush the administration there and sit there and refuse to pull back until you are forced to, and you don’t call it an invasion is something beyond my pay grade. Do you have a name? Why do you think every one else including the mediators call it invasion then? Could it be a misunderstanding on their part?

    My friend, this is a weak argument. The Ethiopians would be scared and stand on their toes when hearing such thoughts from Eritreans who oppose the regime. They will think of a possibility of other future Eritrean adventurism on them again. We don’t want to live under continuous mistrust and suspicion with them. We want to be trusting neighbors and our borders be populated with trees and not with standing standby soldiers. We want our bordering towns, especially our ports to be crowded with people and goods moving in and out not to remain lifeless. Wisdom and positive change starts from honest reflections and forward looking assurances of peace. That is how confidence is built. Eritrean security is maximized with having Ethiopians trust us as good neighbors. Eritrean will never be able to sustain an endless hostility with its larger neighbors. That kind of will is not positive but most importantly that kind of will can not be manned. I’m for peace and lasting peace.

    The one that happened in 1998 pains me a lot. The fact that we didn’t avoid that was not because we couldn’t have but because we wouldn’t have. People like Gadi was very lonely. The herds of pigs were on the other side lauding drums and gunshots. Gadi said no-war-between-these-people. He was saying “Free the one with the broken wings,The dove whose feathers you plucked, Let it fly anew, to herald to us, A new tiding, of a peaceful era.” You were talking about feasibility and viability of occupying Tigray and the reality of sustaining the occupation. You were not preoccupied if it was right to do that at all. You were marveling at the idea if it could be done at all. He thought as a wise man. You thought as a technician. 17 years later, he is still seeing the gap and the danger. 17 yrs later you seem to have evolved a bit but not enough, not even close to have transformed yourself from a technician mind-set. That is why you are still seeing it from an operation perspective.

    I’m considering the 1998 war as a litmus testing mark of sanity. Get out of your shell and admit the 1998 war wrong. Admit that it was caused by PIA and PIA alone. Admit that it was wrong many people supported him on that war effort. Admit that Eritrea is now exposed to untold sufferings and existential threats as a direct result. If we have enough people who think that way, we’ll have the best chance for durable peace and tranquility. There will be less suffering from, exodus, hopelessness paranoia, isolation and totalitarian oppression.

    The best way to fight for good governance is by empowering the opposition with ideas and settings. PIA says if you are in exile and dare to challenge me, come and fight me; if you are here inside and you dislike my system go to Mars. It puzzles one when ideologues in the opposition like yourself advocate for the opposition to distance itself from Ethiopia. PIA runs a horrible system that forces the youth to run away. PIA doesn’t allow peaceful political opposition inside Eritrea. Mars is very far and we don’t even know if Martians would welcome us. But Ethiopia is the nearest we have and it is welcoming.

    Hayat

    • selam

      Dear Hayat.

      Wocho tegemtelkayo wocho , war is war , your time line for a week to be bombed is just though the egg to a stone lets wait and see if the egg survives notion is really sad . Fishing industry is done by feeding the fishes very small fishes , do you know that. I am sure you have zero knowledge of that kind . Here is why you do not have that knowledge Ethiopians has never a education system in their history book how the Hailesilasi , dergi and melse lost their young people on fighting with Eritrea , That is a grave mistake.Try your best , and say what ever you want , even as you always do insult people like the proper deaf , still your notion for the military help through AU and other organizations is bogus . I will put my feeling about your waging war through AU and ethiopia as the main factor of your hidden agenda .

      The difference now is that cinema audiences are invited to wring their hands at the “tragedy” of American psychopaths having to kill people in distant places – just as the President himself kills them. The embodiment of Hollywood’s violence, the actor and director Clint Eastwood, was nominated for an Oscar this year for his movie, ‘American Sniper’, which is about a licensed murderer and nutcase. The New York Times described it as a “patriotic, pro-family picture which broke all attendance records in its opening days”. you are watching to much of it .

      Lets make it clear the war on Iraq was through UN and the war on Libiya was through UN , do we need a lesson after so many innocent children women and others get slaughtered by weapons made in Israel and America. I differ to lunatic ideas of war. I wish and hope the people of Eritrea solve their problem through simple means .

      “To initiate a war of aggression…,” “is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

    • Mahmud Saleh

      “Did I call for Ethiopian military help? Yes. What kind of help? A narrowly defined military package, under the invitation of the Eritrean opposition forces, with a good will of Eritreans at large, preferably under AU or IGAD initiative for a short period (weeks) focused on a mission of tipping the balance in favor of the opposition, but a mission that includes no political, security and governance affairs.”

      You don’t need to be a diligent reader to in order to see you have already upsetted your claim that you never called for Ethiopian invasion. This is how:

      1. If the opposition that’s supposedly calling for the “narrowly defined military package” (which is an euphemism for invasion), enjoys “a good will of Eritreans at large” they don’t need a foreign force. You know it.

      2. Why should Ethiopia be willing to be preconditioned by an opposition that’s not able to win the hearts and minds of Eritreans despite the terrible situation and flagrant invasions on their rights and lives? A lesson from history: There was a formidable opposition to Taliban in Afghanistan. It was called The Northern Alliance. They were tough fighters and of higher military organization and fighting effectiveness. They kept Taliban at bay for years. When Americans wanted to invade Afghanistan, they approached this alliance. But the preconditions were imposed by Americans not by Taliban. A wonderfully carried out surgical operation mostly aerial, turned to years of bloodshed, the country is still messed up. Iraq was also invaded with the help of Kurds fighters, and civilian opposition brokers like the chalabis, but the precondition was imposed by the invaders. There are many lessons in history. A weak opposition can’t impose preconditions on Ethiopia, and if it’s an opposition that enjoys large Eritrean support (your requirement), it doesn’t need Ethiopian interference in Eritrean sovereign affairs. You se how you are logically wrong? I won’t go further on this issue, you have said many similar lines in the past, and I believe, readers need not recycling the same argument.

      II. INVASION OR NOT: Somewhere in my previous comments, I said that I was not there to convince you that it was not invasion. But I would appreciate if you could remind me where in the process the mediators termed it an invasion, I have a name for it and I said it so many times in this forum, but please help me here, ” Do you have a name? Why do you think every one else including the mediators call it invasion then? Could it be a misunderstanding on their part?” I just want you to give me a link or a quoted material. I am not going to waste your and my time rehashing what has already been recycled regarding the war and its process, but for those who want to check my take, it’s in the preceding comments made to Hayat (click my name and you will get my comments).
      III. “You were talking about feasibility and viability of occupying Tigray and the reality of sustaining the occupation”

      obviously you didn’t care to read my comment. I am open about my position regarding the war. It’s embedded in the comment you are replying to and in my previous comments. I don’t need to go extra mile in order to get you to see it.Again all it shows is you have not read my comment or my language was not good enough, but I was not that forgiving for the Eritrean government too. And I have repeated that reasoning so many times that I hope you are the only one who has failed to grasp my stance. In short,Hayat, read it again and you will know I was not playing a feasibility war games.

      III. ON YOUR LITMUS YESY FOR SANIY: I hope you are not the only psychiatrist left in town.

      IV. LAST PARA: Let me tell you this: the reason why we debate this Ethiopian issue with Gual Adem is not that Ethiopian leaders heed Gual Adem; it’s not either from the point of weakness. It’s from the point of strength. We, those who believe in people-centered opposition believe the legitimacy of standing as a substitute to govern comes from the support people throws around the party opposing the government, not from a medical or surgical intervention Ethiopia does. We believe the opposition is heading to the right direction. But we also believe people like you have cost the opposition a lot. Therefore, giving you the right response is part of my responsibility as a justice fighter.

      The question of Ethiopia as a nation and as a people has been resolved long time as far as I am concerned. I strongly oppose Ethiopian government towards my country; I don’t call for surgical or psychological intervention. But my love to the people and the nation of Ethiopia is boundless.

      I believe Eritreans will do it on their own terms. Giving up on your potential tells me how detached you are from reality. I would like to share with you how detached PFDJ is at this time; I would love to share with you how tougher the domestic opposition is getting; but we haven’t even agreed on basic things, so I will share it when I get the right venue. I will share it when I am in the right feel exchanging with someone who is strong against opportunists whatever their color may be (PFDJ or “opposition wanna-be). I am acutely aware that there are genuine opposition people who won’t sell their national interest regardless of where they are stationed. Therefore, whatever I exchange with you is directed solely to you.

      V. “The only way I can’t call you the name you hate is if you go ahead and erase the following two knowledge items from your mind.
      1) Do not present me as if you have ever heard or read me calling Ethiopia to invade Eritrea.
      2) Do not present me as if you have ever heard or read me calling for war between Ethiopia and Eritrea.”

      So, 1&2 are answered in the first portion using your latest words in case you may forget old ones. I have no idea what an Ethiopian “surgical” operation inside Eritrea would mean other than invasion. You think Ethiopian lackey hold the sovereignty? No. It’s the people, the state and the territory. Ethiopia-dependent Oppositions are not recognized sovereign entities to enjoy UN and AU cooperation. And if it’s an opposition that enjoys Eritrean people’s support, obviously the need of Ethiopian invasion is out of question.

      Conclusion: I understand you have no idea what it takes for nations to undertake such a huge risk. If Ethiopia decides to invade another sovereign nation, it’s out of its own national interest. Secondly, Ethiopia has been doing everything it could short of declaring war. I have no idea what’s expected from it. Therefore, what some explain as “just support” doesn’t hold water. Ethiopia has tried everything it could, hosting, arming, feeding, training…I mean, guys, please say” thank you.” But we know what you mean by that, it’s not that you don’t get this but I you recently said at the news of “Bisha bombing”, you want more. And what’s more than fully supporting and carrying out raids? A full blown invasion. Just say it Gual Adem.

      Sorry, one more, you said “The only way I can’t call you the name you hate is if you

      …”
      Well, Hayat, don’t you forget I also have a name reserved for bad times. Let’s not use them now, because it will be an assured mutual destruction.
      Sorry, I am really tired, you may find a lot of …

      • tes

        Dear Mahmuday,

        When people fall in the line of self-protect by trying to re-state, re-desribe, re-explain, clarify etc, then that is the end of their politics. For what ever she tries to re-adjust here flaw, her original views will be kept as it is. We are not doing art excerice here but politics and we can neither delete our political line of thinking not do we can re-define it. If we do, it is only a wastage of time and no way to move on with such kind of people.

        If we read Hayat Adem and Semere Andom, they are trying hard to filter their own statements. What they failed to know in politics is, one can not filter his own politics but others do for him. The person should say what he has to say and that will be recorded as it is. This is what we call “political principle”. Wasting time to explain for what line of thinking you have is just a fatal error and so are Hayat Adem and Semere Andom doing.

        At least they could have been respected for what they advocate for and people might have bought their lines if it is clear. But if they are wasting valuable time just to filter their statemets, and when still they believe that they are misunderstood, there is nothing to be respected.

        Therefore, dear Mahmud Saleh, dealing with people like Hayat Adem and Semere Andom is a kind of prosecution. And this works only with responsible people/individuals for what they say.

        I know it is hard to leave them with their opportunitic agenda, but one need to carefully craft a way to handle them by not wasting his valuable energy and time for unresponsible party. Lets move on therefore. These opportunists, who are not shame to call for an open intervention and call a country a “fake” country have no respect at all no matter how hard they try to filter their grudge statements.

        tes

        • Mahmud Saleh

          salam tes
          Mi nideyo eli semere wed Andom? My heart insists I should not give up on him. I think he is a victim of his eccentricities. Ted is going to roll his eyes now.

          • Nitricc

            Greetings Mahmuday; I know giving up is the hard thing to do for Eritreans but when some one who call himself an Eritrean comes out and say ” Ethiopia should keep badime” after Eritrea paid her 20K best children; how do you do it, not give up on this lost soul?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mr. Nitricc, Say it Mohamuday or any one for that matter and even Semere Andom the direct forward and clear man can’t change the reality that Badme is under Ethiopia. so what, if someone says it should stay with Ethiopia or argue. didn’t PFDJ sing for all those years for Badme? Badme is not going to be an Eritrean land with the present of PFDJ. no way. PFDJ is the one who give Badme. no legal ground and no military force will solve the case while PFDJ and even if the likes will reform an kill IA. We need strong and matured government to solve our problem. free Asmara to free Badme !

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Nitricc
            You are again exposing that you are a liar. I asked you to provided your invasion claim. I clarified the other lie you are pushing, “It is natural for minority to be threatened by minority and offered ideas how to make the dynamics between minority and majority to coexist in peace in diverse society like ours. What is yours?
            But you can prove that I said, ” Future Eritea need to have sperm and egg banks to weed out morons like the gifted liars like dawit and morons and heartless people like nitric. So do lie, but feel free to harass me about the things I said.
            And do not cry wolf about the 20k Eritrean children, you have no heart for them, just big mouth and lips

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam tes,
          .
          Mahmud Saleh, you and me are on the same side of this invasion/defined military package issue, Hayat Adem had raised. Therefore there is no argument about that. We all reject that in all its forms.
          .
          However, you said “…..she tries to readjust her flaw, her original views will be kept as it is.”
          .
          You are in academia and it should not be difficult for you to put the exact original expression of her INVASION statement in quotation for all of us to see. This is a simple request. If I see you bringing other issues or me or worse tell me to read Mahmud’s piece I will be disappointed and surmise that you cannot produce it.
          .
          Mahmud Saleh to his credit put the quote this way… ” “narrowly defined military package” and then added in brackets (“which is euphemism for invasion”). That is at least honest at a certain level.
          .
          So I will await for that clear quote and then you can add your interpretation if you want. But the quote is crucial.
          .
          K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear K.H,
            He can’t bring you a quote because there is none he can quote. I’m not changing anything. Invasion is not what I had and have. Invasion is what these two guys, Mahmuday and Tes, hate and it is not a component in my proposal. If is something they hate and I’m not including it, why do they keep on bringing it up all the time even if I believe I have said enough to correct them? -something I can’t understand at all!!!
            hayat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hayat,

            By now everything should be clear for you. when someone is not able to come with reason and labels me I never keep trying to convince him as he is not really honest with himself. All you have to do is keep going on your way. some are terrorized by PFDJ they will stay in the same state till the end of PFDJ (I consider this group as arrested or paralyzed ) others are not for real change and they will never do anything. and few like tes are only confused for time being.

            the change will be from Eritrea well organized group and with help of logistic services from Ethiopia- (even the present government will be changed). If needed and found to be important Igad’ or gni Efrit but PFDJ has to go.

            reformers will need to reform themselves and forget the case and leave it to Eritrean people. no need to make meeting and those Bla Bla agendas all we need is practical one party at this time.

          • Nitricc

            Hi K-H you said ” reformers will need to reform themselves and forget the case and leave it to Eritrean people”
            we did! and we are saying leave that to the Eritrean people. that is the main argument in here. we were looking for a change that will come from the so-called opposition and after we concluded there is no worthy opposition that will able to bring change then we reform ourselves to reform the government. so what you have is, in reality everyone gave up on the idea of opposition. the likes of semere deformed in to calling Ethiopia to invade Eritrea and like us, we opted to reform the government because that is the safest way. having said that I agree with you let’s leave it the people of Eritrea, after all they have a gun just like the government does.

          • Peace!

            Dear Nitric,

            Make no mistake, to some people, there is no difference between Eritrean and Ethiopian people. Habesha+:) it is too bad we do have an opposition group that keeps contaminating the genuine struggle with contiguous virus called TPLF.

            Regards

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Am I confused?

            Let me tell you this, your formula is dead. Point. It is even a shame for me to deal with hopeless and bottlenecked people like you. From now on wards, I will check every line you write and I will show how big is your ignorance when you advocate habeshanism. We are tired of those double standard citizens who create own fronts in two different fronts.

            Amanuel Hidrat is now dead with his Never-Land politics. I am telling to all Awate forum officially.

            And your habeshanism politics will die soon as it is only a matter of time. I am trying to create a very condusive and right momentum to kick you off. Eritrea needs fresh mind not old mind who bit the same drum.

            I don’t want to deal with blood sucking people (vampires) like you, Hayat Adem and Semere Andom and those who bless blood suckers like Amanuel Hidrat.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            what has gone wrong? now I am confused, what makes you boiling? if I say you are only confused all you have to do was to recheck or ask me why. you said “I don’t want to deal with blood sucking people….” blood sucking? how those words can come from someone civilized like you? “I don’t want to deal…” do we have a deal anyway? okay, I will ignore all this and please relax. I don’t want to say more.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            When people are fruitless, dump and hopeless, they try to convince people as if they are the only correct and holders of truth. And anyone who challenged their hopelessness, they say, “they are confused”. Who is confused? Semere Andom said the same and here you are repeating the same.

            regadring the blood suckers group, yes, you perfecly belong to this group. Whether you like it or not. And this is me, tes, the one who question the unquestionable.

            And regadring civility, I am not the one who is fanning war. I am not the one who is supporting Ethiopian intervention. By now, you could have learned what Ethiopian intervention is if it happened in the soils of Eritrea rather you failed and supported Hayat Adem’s call for Ethiopian intervention. How wicked you are?

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Tes,

            “When people are fruitless, dump and hopeless” to me tes? how? if when a lot of people were dancing around the criminal leadership, when the professors were trying to draft constitution, (no need to list all) I was not hopeless do you think today I will become hopeless? think about it.

            “And this is me, tes, the one who question the unquestionable.” hmmm. just jump it.

            “I am not the one who is fanning war. I am not the one who is supporting Ethiopian intervention.” did I say so? I don’t see anyone among us said so. who said it? Do you see how much you are confused? and why you have to be angry? who was not confused? Leave alone you who is till young and still learning didn’t great fighters get confused? it is okay my friend it you are right show us he prof and convince us . don’t boil please, the journey is longer than you thought.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Reading your lines that support Hayat Adem’s call for intervention that violates respect of nation’s sovereignity and your double identity and habeshanism politics are some of your recent lines that I can trace easily and expose your hopelessness. You even didn’t know what to do if Ethiopia’s action in Bisha was right ot wrong?

            Else, I will stop reacting to your lines as I see that you are so easy to be hurted by harsh political critics that you never expected. I am sorry to react so far. It was not because I am wrong but it is meaningless to do so and I don’t see any outcome from the heat that we create.

            I am now calm and I have said what I have to say.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Tes
            1.”Reading your lines that support Hayat Adem’s call for intervention that violates respect of nation’s sovereignty” where did she say so?

            2.”You even didn’t know what to do if Ethiopia’s action in Bisha was right ot wrong? and you, do you know what to do?

            3.”Else, I will stop reacting to your lines as I see that you are so easy to be hurted by harsh political critics that you never expected.” yes please, who is not.

            4.”I am now calm and I have said what I have to say.” thank you my friend just calm please, we really need you.

            I am sure you have seen how much we take care of our old comrades what ever the circumstances is.

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            It looks like everyone with a different approach is dead . Soon we will have Awate cemetery.
            Amanuel is dead. (Tes)
            How does he know? he met him at the graveyard.
            Yemutan ketema!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Abi,

            Hey, don’t forget the culture. የኣለቃቀስ ዘይቤ tes ያስተመረናል:

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Sorry to announce this but yes. It is a very sad moment here at awate room.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            You might miss the recent assignments, but awate community has appointed Tes to be the CEO of the “yemutan ketema” or “dead’s town” to take care the graveyard of the dead. One of his task is to inform the death of his comrades, something what our traditional villagers do “awyat Ab Hidmo wetsiEka migbar.” So don’t be surprised, you will hear more of that.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I have a perfect job for him.
            YeEdir Turumba nefi.
            ” Tu Tu Tu TuTu
            Ato Abi motewalna qebir diresu. Tu Tu Tu
            Qebrachew yemifetsemew awate yeqebir bota. Bemayigegnut lay qiTat ale. TuTuTu

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Sorry but you are in a hard labour to pull the wagoon. We still need you.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            Oh Lord!! you are so sweet. You have it, if he get it. But why do you use your name, you could have used the informed death of Amanuel. And here is the edited “Tu Tu Tu” below:

            ” Tu Tu Tu TuTu
            Ato Amanuel motewalna qebir diresu. Tu Tu Tu
            Qebrachew yemifetsemew awate yeqebir bota. Bemayigegnut lay qiTat ale. TuTuTu”

            I could visualize the awate community have “fun” what Tes has to say everyday.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            A man from the Never Land is talking with you if I am understanding you.

            ኣማርኛ ብደንብ ሳልሆንም፡ በራሱ ኣደር የሆነ የኣገው ልጅ መሆኔ ህሉም የኣዋተ ፎርም ኣባል ሲላውቅ ጥሩ ነበረ። ያንተ ንግግር ሆነ ዋዛው ደሞ በጣም ኣርጎ ባልሆንም፡ ሁሉ ግዜ መከታተል ኣልቀረ።

            ይቅረታ የሚጠይከው ካለ፡ የምዉታን ንግግር በፍጹም ኣልገባኝም። የወንድም ኣማኑኤል ኣጭር የሆነ ትርጉም የለለው መልእክትም ቢሆን የምገነዘበው ሓሳቦች ብዙሕ ኣለ።

            ተስ

          • saay7

            Selamat Abi:

            Here’s a short video of Professor Tes calling on Awate University to “bring out your dead.” It is a multi-layered job and sometimes you don’t just call out for the dead, transport the dead but cause it, too.

            saay

            https://youtu.be/grbSQ6O6kbs

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            I can’t stop laughing – ROLFMAOSST.

            Op, this is unethical and non of our values. I am so sorry for what happened to AH. I hear KS shouting too saying, “I am not dead”.

            Abi is pushing the cart.

            Mizaan is carrying the last survivals.

            @ Abi, don’t be in hurry, we are not able to identify the dead body of Hayat Adem but Semere is already decomposed and can’t be picked.

            tes

          • tes

            ብጾት ተስ ኣዝዮም ዕድለኛታት’ዮም። ኣርዳኢ ረኺቦም። ክንደይ ኣለው ኣርዳኢ ስኢኖም ኣብ ፈቐድኡ ወብሳይታት ንብላሽ ዝሓቐቑ።

            ስድራቢታት ሳይበር ናብ ተስ ብዙሕ ናይ ምጽንናዕን ናይ ምስጋናን መልእኽትታት ክ ጽሕፉ ጀምሪኦም።

            እንቋዕ እዝግሔር ካብ ኣፋፌት ነቨር ላንድ ኣድሓነካ ክብሉ ድማ ዝተፈራረቐ መልእኽቲ ይሰዲ ኣለው።

            ተስ ድማ ሕሰም ኣይትርከቡ እናበለ፡ ታሪኽ ነቨር ላንድ እናስተንተነ ናብ ዝቕጽል ሂወት ይምርሽ። ብዙሓት ድማ እዚ ኩሉ ጉያ ናበይዩ ክብሉ ይስምዑ።

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            እዋይ ሓወይ ! ኤህ ኣጉላጉል ዶ ኣትሪፎምኻ? ኢድኩም ኣይትስኣኑ ብዓል Saay7.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            ኣጎላጉል’ሲ ኣየትረፉንን። ካብ ሞት ክናና ደኣ ደሓንኩ።

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            Lol !ምናና ድማ ትኸውን :

          • Ted

            SAAY, for the sake of The Great MS, i forced myself not to enjoy the clip.

          • saay7

            Selam Ted,

            What makes you think the great MS has no sense of humor?:) remember, professor Tes has a wheel of fortune and when he spins YOU may end up in his crosshairs. MS and I, as members of the School of Chauvinism, were long condemned by Tes when he was edden guantin with those he is proclaiming dead now:)

            saay

          • Ted

            SAAY,” if you want to tell people the truth make them laugh, otherwise they would kill you.” you are making a bold move hoping The great MS would laugh but knowing how much chip he put in Semere you are on your own. I won’t laugh.;)
            tes can be too much at times as Selam called him drunk. But i beg to differ i rather have a loose cannon than a blind a spotter for my sniper.

          • Abi

            Dearest Hayat
            I’ve read every comment you posted . All of them . I remember most of it . You did not invite for invasion at all . It was pappilon who mentioned ethiopian army to get rid of IA . You asked just for help not for invasion. It is the smear campaign by regime supporters and those pretend to oppose the government. Actually the later are the most dangerous ones . They pretend to oppose the government but they encourage the views of the regime supporters. They also want to keep the statu quo in the name of sovereignty. You and Sem are doing everything to save eritreans they are trying hard to keep the government going.
            I still oppose ethiopian involvement for the following reasons
            1 selfishness. What is in it for me ? They don’t like us anyway.
            2 you don’t have a unified opposition
            3 IA can use it to mobilize the public ( the Amharas are back to eat you) the old time tested propaganda still work if ethiopia is involved
            4 we are busy fighting a more dangerous enemy called poverty. 5 how many times do we have to die for eritrea.
            6 you have got nothing that we need from you in exchange including the ports.
            7 I do not believe eritrean is in the danger of collaps.
            IA still commands public support both inside and outside eritrea.
            Sorry, some of my points overlap.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Abi,
            When I see a new post from you, I feel the kind of feeling you feel when someone you know and you love is knocking at your door. Lately, your funny and and penetrating lines are killing me. There are only few who disarm opponents mercilessly without confronting. I don’t feel like challenging you right now but I will address your points later.

            Hayat

          • Abi

            Selam Hayat
            Thank you for the nice words. The feeling is mutual.
            Now, go easy on me .

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            Here is a gift from Adama for you to give it to Hayat for possible leniency.

            Just add the following caption:
            Free glass of juice a day for a month!

          • Nitricc

            Gtretings dear fanti,
            Fanti is this you? if it is, you got me. I used to think you are a man. Not that matters just crousity. So, Adama is Deptezite or Natherat? I know it is on Oromia kilil.
            Have fun and make home safe. And forget about toothless Abinet juice find the real Nitricc juice and share it.
            Nothing but respect.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Nitricc,
            No, that is not me! I am a MAN. Repeat, I am a man. I was taking a picture of interesting business names in Addis and Adama in the last two weeks and this was one of them. Including the fellowing posted in a women’s shoe store window.

          • saay7

            Selam Nitricc:

            I thought of you reading this. After you read it, I expect you to say, “I, Nitricc, am rooting for Dedebit…” I know Mahmuday is and I know I am!

            saay

            http://www.supersport.com/football/caf-confederations-cup/news/150401/Dedebit_primed_to_tame_Wolves

          • Abi

            Hello Fanti
            That juice is just what Hayat needs.
            Gurorowa derqual.
            Anything for Hayat.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abi:

            We all have a blind spot and I just found yours:) I want you to re-read the posts under this article

            Then you will see, if you are reading things critically and not as a protective fan, if “the lady doth protest too much, me thinks” when she now claims “I never called for an invasion.”

            http://awate.com/thirteen-eritrean-children-gunned-down/

            Here are the arguments used:

            1. Prime Minister Meles Zenawi had said that either PFDJ will change or we will change it. PFDJ hasn’t changed and therefore Ethiopia must change it:
            2. PFDJ must be removed (by whom?) because it is not just an Eritrean problem but a regional problem;
            3. “I want Ethiopia to get poked and provoked by DIA thereby creating the perfect storm or Ethiopia to come after him.”
            4. Ethiopia is a replacement for the Eritrean opposition, not a supplement: “Yes, United Eritrean armed forces would be the first and the best option. The problem is it seems either we, as people, are not doing enough to get them out of latency or something is wrong with the way they are organizing themselves. The result: there is no one to defend our people. ”
            5. Hopelessness: “My view on Ethiopia vis-avis intervention is shaped by my desperation bordering hopelessness from a belief that we will not be able to build up a potent opposition defense to stop the killings soon.”

            Now, you may say that such views were the words of somebody who was shell-shocked by the news that 13 Eritrean children were gunned down. But you would be mistaken because this expression, this open invitation of Ethiopia to “help” Eritrea, with or without Eritrean opposition, to the point where she was praying that Isaias would do something to provoke “help” is a consistent theme. Here’s one of her bullet points on why Ethiopia should intervene NOW:

            “Eritreans lack the very sense of urgency and resources and organizations to address this threat by themselves the way things are now and there has to be a long and intensive work of ground empowering first? This has to be done for sure for future self sufficiency and capacities but the crisis will go out of hand if we opt to wait until domestic capacities gather sufficiently.”

            http://awate.com/satire-a-speech-by-a-candidate-for-eritrean-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-1776632556

            The reason this is important is that irresponsible expressions like this (based on hopelessness, on a self-inflated view that only some understand the “urgency”, a romanticized view of Weyane, insensitivity to Eritrea’s reservation about Ethiopia…are part of the reason that the Eritrean opposition remains rejected by the Eritrean. Yes it is personal: something we slaved over for over a decade, to make opposition mainstream and respectable, gets sabotaged by incredibly irresponsible people.

            saay

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            Thanks for these references. I was a bit lazy to go back and bring all these good references. I just prefered to repond Kim Hanna as she is a defender and body guard of Hayat Adem.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Hi TesfaB.

            Kim Hanna is a “he”, not “she#

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Kboor wo Hfoor, ato/assaid Mr./Ustaz/ General SAAY the greatista of all timista
            Thank you for making it easy for sister Hayat to reclaim her missing self. Sometimes, people think the amount of dust they raise blankets the pulsation of truth. Don’t forget her latest (much improvised “narrowly defined military package”, as if she could dictate upon Ethiopia what and how to package and unpackage whatever that she demands from it. The problem is:
            1. The mainstream Eritrean opposition doesn’t accept that; its leaders have not forwarded that to EtioPiachen.
            2. The militant wings mostly residing in Ethiopia have not presented that to Etiopiachen
            3. EtioPiachen has never denied the opposition any assistance. It had hosted, fed, trained, armed, shared intelligence with, supported it on tactical/operational level, I mean what else does Hayat ask EtioPia more than this. Oh, yes, an invasion. And she would be hitting the floor the day she heard world news media broadcasting that the two poor countries were annihilating each other.
            4. So, if her ideas don’t sit with any decnt and self-respecting Eritrean who does she represent? Is her tears real or fake?
            5. People with real and warm tears try not to hurt the struggle agaimnst the tyrant by floating fanatic calls. The field leaders of the opposition who should decide what type of assistance they need and from where they should get it have not asked Ethiopian intervention, anyway. They have certainly not invited Hayat’s deregotary comments which pose Eritreans as “herds of pigs” and as helpless and incapable of solving their problems (Hayat, in case you think I am lying, check saay’s links, and your latest “herds of pigs” statements). Anyway, gud reKibna.
            Now, and at the end of my Easter edition tirade, I want to ask you kbur wo Hfoor bxay saay: why don’t you call her by her name? Is it Easter serE (taboo)?
            Happy Easter for those Ferenjized Habesha.

          • saay7

            Mahmuday:

            Referencing your last question, I had a Haiku poem of Life and Eve’s Man for an answer, but Ghezae Hagos is such a brutal critic, the only time I tried it, “morale ayhabenen* me.

            Oh, look up the phrase “aggressive mimicry.” and how margay gets its prey and, you know, you are trying to get me in trouble with the publisher of awate.com.

            Saay

            Just kidding, GH. In addition to confusing moral with morale (and conscious with conscience) our people use the word “morale” bluntly. Suppose you perform, write a book, compose music, sing at a concern. When they are promoting you they will say “morale k’khonu aTa’kUlu”:applaud him so he can get a morale boost, not because he is any good.) My people: what’s there not to love about them:).

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Wo Mahmud,
            Here is something to add to that very phrase ” herds of pigs” .
            Question: “Why did Jesus allow the demons to enter the herd of pigs?”

            Answer: The story of Jesus casting the legion of demons into a herd of pigs is found in Matthew 8:30-37; Mark 5:1-20; and Luke 8:27-38. Only Matthew mentions the more prominent of the two demoniacs involved. Demoniacs were persons whose minds came under the control of an evil spirit or spirits. That such phenomena were especially prominent during the days of Christ’s earthly ministry is consistent with Satan’s efforts to counteract God’s program. It also allows us to witness the spiritual warfare in which our Savior was constantly engaged. Demons knew exactly who Jesus was—”Son of God”—and were aware of their ultimate doom (Matthew 8:28-29).

            As Jesus was traveling in the hilly region east of the Jordan River, the path of this man who was controlled by demons and lived among the tombs crossed that of Jesus. Because of the physical strength the demons gave the man, he was able to break and throw off the chains with which people tried to bind him. When the demons begged Jesus to let them go into a herd of pigs, He gave them permission. They entered the pigs, rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned. Jesus thereby made known His authority and thwarted whatever evil purpose the demons had.

            Why the demons begged to be allowed to enter the swine is unclear from the account. It could be because they didn’t want to leave the area where they had been successful in doing their mischief among the people. Perhaps they were drawn to the unclean animals because of their own filthiness. The demons may have made this strange request because it was their last chance to avoid confinement in the Abyss, the place of confinement to which evil spirits are doomed (Revelation 9:1-6). Whatever their reasoning, it is clear from the account that demons had little power of their own and were unable to do anything without Jesus’ permission. As Christians, we can take comfort in the knowledge that the forces of the enemy of our souls are under the complete control of God and can only act in ways He allows.

            The Bible doesn’t explain to us Jesus’ reasoning, but displaying His sovereign power over demons could be one reason why Jesus sent them into the pigs. If the pigs’ owners were Jews, Jesus could have been rebuking them for violating Mosaic law which forbids Jews from eating or keeping unclean animals such as swine (Leviticus 11:7). If the swineherds were Gentiles, perhaps Jesus was using this miraculous event to show them the malice of evil spirits under whose influence they lived, as well as displaying His own power and authority over creation. In any case, the owners were so terrified to be in the presence of such spiritual power that they made no demand for restitution for the loss of their property and begged Jesus to leave the region. The people were awe-struck but unrepentant—they wanted no more of Jesus Christ. This shows the hardness of their hearts and their desire to remain in sin. The healed demoniac, on the other hand, demonstrated the true faith and repentance of a changed heart and begged to be allowed to follow Jesus. Perhaps the unmistakable difference between the saved and the unsaved was an object lesson for the disciples and all who witnessed the event. Jesus sent the healed man away, giving him a commission that he joyfully obeyed: “Go home to your family and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you” (Mark 5:17-20).

            http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-demons-pigs.html#ixzz3WTGeeLss

          • Mahmud Saleh

            What’s up Ghehteb,
            That’s a great Sunday sermon; I may need Semere’s help while Ted prepares his next move on my bad friend (ata wedi tebzeHo aleKa). Gual Adem is taking her day off, stay tuned.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Wo Mahmud,
            No the person you are saying to have taken ” her day off” has declared that the herd of pigs are in millions. Now, the herd of pigs has morphed into an epithet for the overwhelming majority of Eritreans ( in millions, remember) who have resoundingly and unequivocally REJECTED the loathsome idea of Ethiopia’s invasion of Eritrea that is advanced by those with a nefarious agenda such as the person you are claiming to have taken a day off.

          • saay7

            Wo Gheteb:

            I completely missed out the reference to “herd of pigs”. I am assuming it was first uttered by our increasingly-getting-unhinged Cousin Sem? Was he, like, left out on some inheritance? Then I take it the phrase was expanded to insult Eritreans in a larger collective? Do share, but without using Latin:)

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selamat Wo cousin Saleh,

            Here is where the phrase “herd of pigs” ’emanated’ from and literally bleeded into the ongoing confab. Your cousin whom refer as iSem, writing under the title “How about if war is ignited again” used the phrase to describe those Eritrean soldiers fighting against Ethiopia’s war against Eritrea. Knowing that Cuz Semere to be highly conversant in Biblical teachings, it didn’t take much to connect the dots as to whence he may have gotten the phrase.

            I was going to use fons et origo for emanation and ne plus ultra for something, but I have to pinch myself and stop. But I got to tell you this Cuz Saleh. If the term Lacuna is to Dr. Ahmed Abdulmajid of UoK then the word cri de Coeur is to Dr. Edward Said of Columbia U.

            Below find iSem’s post.

            “The war can be ignited in different scenarios and it is not going to start because Ethiopia would heed the calls of invasion as it has mendacioly, maliciously has been perpetuated by PFDJ supports, but it is conceivable that it can be ignited when PFDJ to make up for its inadequacy of facing Ethiopia it will bolster TPDM and other armed Ethiopian opposition, give them enough life to destabilize Ethiopia, a country that humiliated PFDJ in the last war there by bruising the ego of its leader, DIA. Ethiopia would had enough and start bombing and attacking Eritrean sovereign territories and like that “kem wasza” the war is ignited and again PFDJ will be humiliated and the [HERD OF PIGS] slaughtered and then if PFDJ survives like it did before, it will give the slaughtered herd sexy name: it will call them they were martyred.”

          • saay7

            Got it Cousin Gheteb:

            Our cousin iSem is long, long overdue for “intervention”: he is under the influence of YG’s toxic politics.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            I was unplugged all day today and catching up. Where did we hear he was left from some inheritance before? People can be blunt even if nothing has happened to them personally , last time I checked.
            Sorry AT,
            Dear Sal;-)

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ato/Kboor/wo Hfoor second cousin of SAAY which translates to Third cousin of Hope which translates to fourth cousin of Semere (who is the ani-matter of Ted) which translates to fourth cousin O Gual Adem …
            What’s frightening is no one from that “dembe”would voice “ayfalkn..tegagiKi”, Semere introduced it and Hayat made a home run on it. I just wonder, how do they think they will mess with the pigs onc3e they make it aboard wayanay tanktat, I mean who is going to be responsible for cleaning up the barn, the pigs…and how are they going to make those pigs understand wayanay democray?
            Oh, you too still tabooing the name?
            Folks, it’s Sunday’s leizure moment. Naay senbet mzngaE eyu ( ye ahud ye meznagna gzie new)

          • saay7

            Mahmuday:

            Don’t expect the dembe to say “Ageb…ayfalkn..tagagiki.” Consider the following:

            “Common traits of the contemporary Eritrean are: cowardice, double standards, dishonesty, mistrusting, saying one thing here with me (a PFDJ hater) and completely another thing with another person (a PFDJ lover), selfishness, looking for excuses elsewhere than home, hate of others who tell us our issues honestly. Probably the worst people in the planet at the present time. As you can see, I am not a very proud Eritrean. There is nothing to be proud about being a part of people as I described above.”

            http://awate.com/power-to-the-spirit-of-adi-keih/comment-page-1/#comment-1914120528

            Now, replace the word “Eritrean” with “Ethiopian” and imagine Nitricc or Gheteb had said it. Can you imagine how fast and furious the outrage machine would have gone into overdrive? The moderators would have pulled their red flag; the Abotatna Aqsh’shti would have delivered a sermon against hate… We treat our “despairing and hopeless” Eritreans as wounded little Eritreans and rush to console them, little babies that they are…I know I do (It’s that “no eritrean left behind” thing.)

            I have heard of Bay of Pigs but never of Herd of Pigs…equating Agelglot with Herd of Pigs? That sound you just heard was more Eritreans slamming the door shut against the Eritrean opposition. See what I mean by how we are being sabotaged by the irresponsible among us? We need to convene an emergency meeting with Cousin iSem.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Wo Cousin Sal,
            Bay of Pigs to Cuba and now Herd of Pigs to Eritrea. Hmmm…. Hmmm… I am thinking, cogitating and cerebrating like never before. Wittingly or not, you have provided your cousin Gheteb with some food for thought.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            SAAY

            And you know what Mizan was responding to: “All these make you wonder and question independence, but not only that, it make you question when the people waged the armed struggle they did it “geremo ellom.” Semere Andom.
            Now, Ghehteb responded today to TK when TK said some thing to the effect of ” Eritrean have divergent opinions to the essence of Eritrea.” TK statements which, by the way, are NOT NEW, are based on these types of opinions.
            I will give Semere the benefit of the doubt and I call upon him to explain the above. I hope he meant that our people did not pay all that sacrifices for this type of a government. If he could also could pull back the “herds of pigs”, I will appreciate that.
            Today could be remembered as the day of ” Mining The Facts At Awatista Forum” day.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            The opportunists school of thought has spoiled the Eritrean political landscape to such a degree that it became like a homogeneous and hard to refine and make it purely of Eritrean type. Thanks now after the establishment of the school of thoughts, things are in the process of purification.

            I thank you for doing such a wonderful take in your part.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi SAAY; have some marcy lol. what a take down!!!!!
            SAAY my friend toothless Semere is on fire. when ever he is challenged; his response is liar. he goes all out to deny his call to TPLF invade Eritrea. if the truth to be told Isem is the lier one. he told Mahmuday that when he was 14 years old boy, he stayed in Sahil for one week when he witnessed EPLF women fighters treated like slave and abused. then on a different time he told Mahmuday; he got to Sudan when he was age 13 and left Sudan when he was age 19. unless Isem explains i am taking as a lie. because what Isem is saying does not make sense. so, who is lier in here. lol

          • Ted

            KH, that is what tes trying to tell you. They imply, suggest, “filter”. They don’t say what they want directly to catch them in a quote. When people respond to them for what they understand from their comment, they go back to their shells as victim of slandering , and far worse call you liars. It is not fair.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted, it the best and the most logical thing to do is let Eritreans solve their own problem. it is the problem of Eritrea and Eritreans and none of the business of Ethiopia or Guatemala. I do believe those two people have to much things in common to be enemies for ever but if Ethiopia tries to do anything against Eritrea; unprovoked, then those two people are enemies for Life. so, i know the likes of Semere who are endowed with any logic and ethics; they are calling for the Ethiopia to invade Eritrea so, the innocent Ethiopians can die for the likes of him while collecting his welfare check in Canada. it is so unfair; it is stupid. let the two countries work with their own problems and most of all, let the border be demarcated per the court’s decision.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I know we talked about truth and honest prisms few weeks ago. I want you to tell me if this sounds right to you, even it is said in anger.
            .
            “…they are calling for the Ethiopia to invade Eritrea so, the innocent Ethiopians can die for the likes of him while collecting his welfare check in Canada. it is so unfair, it is stupid.”
            .
            Don’t forget you are talking about another Eritrean who most likely has family members in harms way too.
            .
            K.H

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            You guys are dragging the debate to the mud by your lies. Stop your lies then people can debate issues that matter. It is your nature as PFDJ to lie and then muzzle debate. If it was honest mistake, apologize That is how it works

          • Ted

            Semere, no need for apology, i know what i am saying. To believe Eritreans are well equipped to be master of their destiny does’t make me PFDJ but coming from you, so be it. Forget the form of TPLF’s help the” lies” we say ( intervention, invasion, incursion….) but focus on the fact Eritreans don’t buy Aboy sibhat or your likes telling Eritreans TPLF cares for Eritreans than PFDJ. That is were your group stick out like a sore thumb in Eritrean politics in a very bad bad way . If you still want to bury your head in a sand, it is up to you but i think 15 yrs is enough. You need to examine your position and correct it to were the mass is instead of pushing your twisted notion that only 5% of Eritreans(PFDJ) are on your way for your democratic Eritrea. Why would you go out of your way to ask TPLF for help while you have 95% of Eritreans with the gun at your disposal. how much you suger coat your theory does’t go down with Erireans. The proof is on the pudding, my friend.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Ted,
            You seem to believe PFDJ 5% has won the will of the 95%. Well, you can’t do more error of judgement than that. Had the 95% be free to act on their own, we wouldn’t have been in this situation. The help being asked is to free the 95% by removing the 5%. People don’t oppress people. It is power that oppresses people. Power comes from controlling resources and agenda. One man go a long way with those power privileges let alone 5% of a population.

          • Ted

            Hayat, where did i say 5% loved by the 95%. Semere stated who made Eritrean independence a reality are only 5%. The 95% are in his twisted logic apparently are bystanders. If we take his assumption at face value, which one is feasible to you Hayat, to empower the 95% against 5% or to provoke the 95% by soliciting their “perceived” enemy TPLF to free them. Note, Eritrea has more guns than citizens, thanks to SAWA we know how to shoot too.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ted,

            How did you come this 5% and 95% statistical percentages? Do you think any cooked numbers without any verification will fly on our faces? Can you please stop these innuendo game numbers. It doesn’t work in politics. You are becoming a laughing stocks in real world that demand verification. There is no ground for cheating, if not within the general public, at least with the people you are engaging in a debate.Ted, you have the propensity always to bring these numbers or percentages from the air. Statistics doesn’t work on guessing. Just to remind you.

            Data are not just numbers. They are numbers that carry information about specific settings. Statistics demand to produce trustworthy data. First you should show your survey data before you translate in to percentage. Then you have to state the specific conditions and variables in order the data to make their meaning clear for drawing a practical conclusion. Out side that rules of quantification, it doesn’t have any meaning. It is always garbage in garbage out from none professional set of people. Hence you are demanded to present your data survey, otherwise your numbers will naturally classified as “none professional innuendo game numbers” used for disinformation purposes. My advice to you, if you are not from that discipline of knowledge, avoid it. Otherwise you will be an object of scorn from the class of intelligentsia.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Amanuel,Mr class of intelligentsia. Damn , please give me more, love your insults. LoL, it is your trusty horse who said only 5% liberated Eritrea. Good luck riding him again after this abuse. HINT, Mizan thinks you and him are the only real oppositions the rest are PFDJ sympathizers.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Ted,

            First if they are not your numbers, don’t even try to use them in your debate, as they are not factual numbers. Skip them, and make your argument either on your own data or argue without data based on the principles you ride on to make your point. Second, I didn’t insult you. I gave you an advice not to do that, otherwise it will hit you credibility. That was my message in short.

            By the way Semere and Mizaan are debating on what they believe, the same like what you are doing. They have a free mind like any Eritrean in this forum, and they will entertain their thoughts as they deem necessary. If we debate with a grown up mind, we can tolerate our differences; and eventually when we get the right venue to discuss the most critical issues that matters our nation and our people, we will find a converging ideas to work together. If your argument is always based on hate and enmity, as you are displaying in your debate, it won’t contribute to the mere fact you are intending to generate a meaningful struggle. I think you are by far younger than me, the way you read the Eritrean politics to live with it. You need to know something that comes with the experience to understand the needs of diversity. I was doing the same thing like what you are doing in this forum when I was in the struggle in 70s. Therefore, “Hide’A bel haderaka”. Last but not least, learn to address people with respect – and don’t forget it is AT’s rule of engagement.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Dear Amanuel, I aways have respect for people. What about saying” i did’t know Semere came up with the number for whatever reason.” Do you have to win at every thing, a little courtesy goes a long way from mature Neber Tegadalay.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            Frist there is something called context, I brought the 5% when debating with AOsman on his assertion that the opposition could not win the silent majority. So I know how many fighters PFDJ and ELF had, roughly. I know how many Hafash “wudubat” EPLF had during the finale of the Ghedli, so my point in that context was that silent majority is common free rid mentality, although they believe in the cause they stay away from participating for different reasons. Same now the silent majority wants PFDJ removed but do not participate, and if they do they do it secretly. That was the point. Do you have counter argument to that, that is every adult Eritrean contributed to the Gheldi although their hearts were with Ghedli. Why do you think the Gehdli instituted “giffa”, while at some point it was refusing people.
            Now about TPLF loves Eritreans more than PFDJ, Yes it is true, PFDJ does chases them, shoots them, TPLF houses them, RIGHT now. Do you have counter fact to that. Now do not change words, I am not saying TPLF loves Eritreans more than Eritreans although someone tried to spin that it that way, I heard Sibhat say, more than PFDJ
            about the help. PFDJ controls the resources , money and if you have both these, you do not need brains, that balance need to be shifted, that is the context where the help of Ethiopia comes hint and I am arguing that it is
            “kosher”
            If you have valid argument against the help, please present them and stop your lies

          • Ted

            Semere, you know for the fact silent majority want a change and you don’t care what they have to say, A little poling and statistics could help but since you reasoned and came to the conclusion TPLF is Kosher i have only to say , Kosher only for a few.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            Well, apparently you are well versed about Ethiopia than Eritrea and when you get to speed about Eritrea we shall talk

          • Ted

            Semere, I know them inside and out. If you were not stubborn,you could have used my info for your advantage. Ethiopia is ICU for your kind of opposition, i saw it in my own eyes struggling to breath.. Use this info as it fits you.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere; i guess your call for TPLF to invade Eritrea is answered. why do they practice in the city? lol dedebit is always dedebit.

            18928_950178628348311_6588159336802840456_n.jpg

          • Semere Andom

            Thanks Nitricc:
            I am rusty in my Amharic, but I really want to understand, can you translate to English please

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Guad sem A,
            Not that you need my translation, but I need to improve my Amharic more than you need the translation. Translation follows:
            Notice
            To all students of Adigrat University
            Starting today, Ethiopian Defense Army is going to carry out a [live] fire drills; hence, we remind you not to get scared.
            Office Of Students Union
            Seal

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ted,
            .
            Ted, your post above is sensible and persuasive enough for me to accept it. The reason I was challenging tes to produce the quote was to make it crystal clear for everyone, he was so specific in his comment. I read most if not all of Hayat Adem’s posts and I don’t remember her exact wording but was not advocacy of invasion.
            .
            Sometimes, just like Democrats and Republicans in U.S the issue becomes how to out smart the other. That is not very healthy.
            .
            In our case here, there are not many good choices. The choice that makes the least bad effect is better. Intrusion from Ethiopia will not be a good one particularly for Ethiopia.
            .
            K.H

          • Ted

            KH, i think it is vital we say honestly what in our mind without being deliberately ambiguous.

          • Abi

            Kemey Ted
            Anta dehan do?
            ” I think it is vital we say honestly what is in our mind without being deliberately ambiguous.” The problem is when some speak what is in their mind , they become very offensive. They hurt others .
            “YeAf welemta beqbe aytashin. ”

          • Ted

            Abi, . Your people said it well. Tigrena Qorkoro sainkut yechohal. You know how to deal with us;)
            Seriously i have no problem with you or anybody else as long as they say it as it is.
            Ewinetun Tenagireh kemeshibih edere. Deep down i know you want them to grow balls fighting their own fight. You are just nice.
            They are like climate warming deniers who change the term constantly to confuse people.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            Yene sewoch min yemaylut neger ale ?
            Personally, I have no beef with you.
            If you come to my house for Easter, I will provide you with a buffet of beef and attack every beef on the table . Since you are yeQera lij, I’m sure you appreciate a good beef.
            ” fiqir behod yigebal”
            ( yene sewoch endalut)

          • Ted

            Abi, Yakeberen Akbarie YIstew. I have yeseba Korma in mind;)

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            What? Yessebba korma?
            Didn’t I tell you the korma has beefed up the buffer to protect the beef and the milk ?
            Wa biyalehu.
            ” mukit siseba shotel yislal ” endayhon.

          • Ted

            Abi, yetenagerut KemiTefa, yeweledut YiTfa. I want yeseba korma if you want me to be your guest.
            Since i sarte talking to you Amarigna, Semere downgraded me as less versed Eritrean.Can you see the irony.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Lij Ted;
            No irony here, if you grew up there, you went to school there then it is natural to be well versed in a country of your birth than the country you knew through stories, anectodes.

          • Ted

            Semere,
            The irony is you are licking the boot of the people you don’t know.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            I like Sem . I like him because he writes what he means .
            Yes I see the irony . He also grew up , went to school in Sudan.
            You from Addis , he from Khartoum (hulet gra egroch) .
            Zekone koynu
            ” ahya leAhya birageT Tirs aysaberm”

            Seriously though, the way I see things as an outsider, eritreans have different experiences and expectations.
            Most spent most of their lives outside the country be it in ethiopia, the middle east, or the west. Some haven’t been to their country for decades. First derg now IA never let them in the country they struggled for .
            If you see the number of the opposition groups, it shows you how difficult it is to come together in one voice.
            It is like ” saygbabu /sayiwadedu zeTegn weledu ”
            I better stop here before prof Tes start shooting his Newton’s theory of motion.

          • Nitricc

            Hi K-H Tes, is right on. if you read the war monger; Semere’s statements; all the twisting and hair splitting to “filter” out things. Semere came out and said; ” if the Ethiopians decided to occupy us, no worries; there are the Africans and the UN to protect us” as stupid as the statement is, he is denieding that he never call for Ethiopian invasion; yet, he assured us that the Africans and the UN will protect the Eritreans. protect us from what? oh, from the one he called for Ethiopia to invade Eritrea.
            you know, it is the same logic of bright Semere’s saying that goes like
            ” it is healthy for minority to be threaten by the majority”
            You Go figure KH.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I have not read most of the earlier posts Semere Andom made like I have followed Hayat Adem’s. In her case the response I posted to Ted below pretty much covers it. It is a question of fairness. When tes presented it the way he did, I wanted him to show us, because I didn’t remember it. I have disagreed with her on this particular issue and I would have remembered the thrust of her suggestion if that was the case. That was all.
            .

          • Dear K.H.
            “With no strong opposition force fighting with the Ethiopian armed forces (in case Ethiopia moves in), Ethiopian intervention cannot be seen differently than an outright invasion.”

            These were the words I wrote on Ethiopian intervention sometime ago. I do not know if this was the reason things got mixed-up and the term “invasion” was attributed to some people in this forum, creating a confusion. I do not remember that either Semere Andom or Hayat Adem, ever used the term “invasion”. I think that they used terms like intervention, help etc.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I think that might be the case. I don’t remember Hayat Adem advocating invasion either. Regardless, the idea from the Ethiopian side is a bad one precisely because as you described it plus the unknown unknowns.
            .
            K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Horizon,
            You are saying this because it is true and because you are nice. If they have enough to criticize, these people need to have enough to know who said what. If they missed that chance, they should hold their wrong horse when they are told and reminded. But they wouldn’t because they can’t, because they are deadened by their own habit, because habit is the great killer as Beckett would say.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I have posted a reply and hope it will pop-up soon.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I kindly advice you to read saay7’s references. I hope you will not say, “you didn’t do it by yourself”.

            tes

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Mahmuday,

        Thanks for the long reply. I’ll leave out issues that i think are or have been sufficiently discussed and try to be limited on providing answers tot some of your inquiries and offer if I have a refreshed angle on some.

        I) I believe the regime has totally lost the confidence of the Eritrean people and there are many ways you can know this. The Exodus to Ethiopia and Sudan is one. The opposition needs to work to turn this to a support base of its side. Eritreans are the ones that are suffering most from this unusual and abnormal system. The reason why they are fleeing is because they don’t see a hope of changing the situation at home. If they can trust and run to Ethiopia to get help, there is a good chance they can support if that help is to come to them while they are at home with their family. There is no question the opposition fares much better than the pfdj in representing the dream of the people. There is nothing left in PFDJ as a collective dream other than consuming what they have taken and killing the country in the process. The equation here is pfdj has all the oppressing and controlling resources in their hands and they are using them mercilessly. The situations calls for building an enabling environment to free those resources and the people so that the opposition gets a grip. The Ethiopian help’s purpose we are discussing about is part of that effort of creating an enabling environment. There is nothing wrong with that. So many countries made a good use of such a help and moved on. Liberia and Sera Leon in West Africa, Uganda in the east, DRC in the center. Many countries in Europe and Asia. Even EPLF and TPLF were using such helps from each other effectively. Can such helps go wrong and costly? Yes. But such things can be tackled at the planning stage and are not necessarily because the idea is inherently bad; and the risk of doing nothing is far greater graver than trying everything around to avoid the looming civil war.

        No body has enough power now to play preconditions on the Ethiopians. Not PFDJ, not the opposition. But it is in the interest of the Ethiopians for Eritrea to be peaceful and stable and Eritreans to be happily living in their own country. The Ethiopians know this by now: If Eritreans are not happy and you are in their country they fight you like wild until you leave their country; if you are not in their country and they are not happy, they flee and flock in all directions. Eritrea is a beautiful country with many things to offer to the neighborhood if given a chance. Ethiopia should be the first to recognize Eritrea’s potential. So it is in their interest to help and not interfere. But Eritreans should really start seeing Ethiopia as a force of good to be reckoned with and remove the very archaic old hostile mind-set.

        II) Oh, yes, the 1998 Eritrea’s act was an invasion and it has to be called that way. I don’t even know what you are trying to say here by hesitating to call it by its name. If you know what the basic definition of invasion is, and if you know what exactly happened in 1998, why do you even need the reference of 3rd parties, or the media to admit that it was an invasion? You asked one evidence of quote or link if the thrid parties called it an invasion, I’ll give you the judgement of the commission’s, EECC’s ruling document itself which IA acknowledged and signed. Commission’s Conclusion that the Jus ad Bellum Was Violated and after weighing the evidence placed before it, the Commission concluded in its jus ad bellum award that Eritrea invaded Ethiopia on May 12, 1998, beginning in the area of Badme in what would later become known as the Western Front. The Commission stated as follows:
        The evidence showed that, at about 5:30 a.m. on May 12, 1998, Eritrean armed forces,
        comprised of at least two brigades of regular soldiers, supported by tanks and artillery,
        attacked the town of Badme and several other border areas in Ethiopia’s Tahtay Adiabo
        Wereda, as well as at least two places in its neighboring Laelay Adiabo Wereda. On that
        day and in the days immediately following, Eritrean armed forces then pushed across the
        flat Badme plain to higher ground in the east. Although the evidence regarding the nature
        of the Ethiopian armed forces in the area conflicted, the weight of the evidence indicated
        that the Ethiopian defenders were composed merely of militia and some police, who were
        quickly forced to retreat by the invading Eritrean forces.” page 34
        http://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1916&context=faculty_publications
        How is that Mahmuday, you and I are not seeing eye to eye, totally? You shy away from using invasion for an established fact and yet you stretch so wide and far the concept of invasion to use it on my considered and call of help in limited time and space which will be welcomed when needed and unwelcome when the need is over.

        III) Well, Mahmuday, I’ve read your comment. So, you said this: “United Ethiopia is a mammoth you can’t push around. That was my argument in 1998. I would ask my opponents, ” Then, where do you stop?” That was because people were talking about “capture of Tigray cities, or advancing here…or there in coffee shops. My questions were clear. I was telling them: a/ we should not have to do it; b/ then were do you stop? Mekelle, Desie, Addis…? Ethiopia is just to big to conquer it militarily without having the collaboration of its people.” That made me say you were just thinking about the doability and feasibility of a project, like a technician would do. You are invading a country and a people, a sisterly for that. And all you could say was it shouldn’t have been done because it was difficult to do because of vastness and the people wouldn’t cooperate. I’m saying why it shouldn’t have been done is because it was wrong and it was a crime, and such evil adventurism leaves so many unknown consequences and unhealable wounds. But if the Ethiopians would ask a considered help at their difficult time and we have the tools and the resources, we should offer it, why not. Your logic is totally upside down. You say “no, it is crime when it is needed and invited” and we are talking here theoretically. But you drew out your pocket calculator and see if it could be done up to Adigrat, or may be up to Mekele, or may be up to Dessie when it was actually happening on Ethiopians. There was no call from them nor expectations. And they were saying, “no,no..don’t do it, go back…we don’t have to fight, just go back”. In the cafes, the logical talk among you and your friends was, if it was feasible and doable?! Amazing! I tell you, yours was far better than many others. Many were even thinking it was justifiable and doable and were happily part of the fan fanfare. You were at least questioning it. But my real heroes are the ones that were tackling it the wisdom level.

        IV & V) T. Kifle was pleasantly mocking at me the other day when he said some Eritreans are treating me as if a a commander in chief of the Ethiopian army. You are right, that is totally a different issue. The Ethiopians will do as they see it fit to their interests. But if there would be any chance the Ethiopian leaders to heed our calls for help, it is if there is general consensus on the need of it. If we are not agree and we don’t ask for the help with clearly charted goals saving Eritrea, anything else they do is to defend themselves from the spillover effects of Eritreas chaos, like the one we heard recently to have happened at Bisha and MaiEdaga. Incidentally, you are reading me wrong on that event at all. This is your 2nd time to comment as if I was unhappy of the alleged raids because they were not enough in scale and scope and i was crying for more of that. Please don’t do that. It doesn’t look good on you. I opposed the alleged raids not because it was not enough but because it is different, it is not my package at all. It is the Ethiopian, their own package I was talking about a couple of lines earlier. Ethiopians will do such things in the future, too, as they have been doing it in 2012 and onward on their won, whether you like it or not. The reason i am opposed is it will not be empowering Eritreans and the opposition in a way of enabling them to control resources affairs to impact change in Eritrea for the better.
        Hayat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hello Hayat

          I’m pasting it from WP because I have lost two in the past
          and while I enjoy reading your comments, I frankly can’t keep with such
          exhausting debates. I have an hour and half I could burn on my private time,
          and the topics we are discussing are not easy. So please bear with the
          difficult irregular margines and indentations will create, Thanks.

          On jus ad bellum (or if Eritrea violated
          it), I said in my initial reply to you, Hayat Part II, “We know his
          acquiescence at that incident and his refusal to discuss it with senior
          commanders and colleagues in taking action to engage Ethiopia to reverse its
          hostile policies or go to international bodies to register Eritrea’s complaints
          cost Eritrea the benefit of enjoying victimhood. It did not get attention by
          the court, and the war is decided to have begun in May 1998, and Eritrea is
          accused as the starter of the war.” So clearly, there is no question Eritrea
          used force to take back Badme, a territory which was disputed and Eritrea rightfully
          claimed it was its territory, and was awarded to it later by international
          court. The claimant court you linked here had difficulty establishing whether
          tackling issues of jus ad bellum fall within its jurisdiction, but later established
          that in part and ruled on partial awards. The commission, and mind you this is
          not UNSC, or a court of law, nonetheless, established that Eritrea violation
          did not exceed the disputed territory which was later awarded to it. In fact,
          the commission drew distinctions between Iraq invasions of Kuwait, and Eritrea’s
          “unlawful use of force” against Ethiopia pertinent to UN charter article2,
          paragraph 4. The commission noted that in the case of Iraq, it condemned it and
          took extreme use of force to expel it, and determined Iraq was liable for all
          the damage. Ethiopia was pushing for this but failed. Because, in part, UNSC “…did
          not assign a responsibility to Eritrea for starting of the war and instead
          spoke in equal terms to both parties…) from using force. My question to you was
          to confirm to me if any “mediator” used that term. Because you stated that even
          mediators used it. Common sense tells us one cannot be a mediator and a judge
          at the same time. Here, we also know let alone mediators even UNSC did not use
          that term. In the case of Eritrea use of force, UNSC described and treated it
          as a border conflict. The jus ad bellum establishes only if the use of force
          was just/unjust or lawful/unlawful. What’s important here is whether Eritrea
          invaded, as you claim, Ethiopia, or invaded an area it considered belonged to
          it. The commission and UN bodies agree with the later. But you will have to see
          it from an Eritrean angle. Any advancing army, any charging army does invasion.
          You invade a position, it simply means you dislodge a warring enemy and occupy
          that position. You said I was playing the role of “technician” apparently happy
          with what Eritrea did. But here is what I said regarding this issue in the same
          comment that you mutilated, hence taking only the parts you thought were juicy.

          “I am a firm believer what the president
          took in May 1998 was wrong.” What else do you need more than this condemning?
          It’s there in the same paragraph.

          In the same quoted material you tried to
          use against me, there is something like this:”… I was telling them: a/ we
          should not have to do it; b/ then were do you stop? Mekelle, Desie, Addis…?”

          Here you ignore (a) and stress on (b), that’s
          a typical Hayat. Repeat: here are two parts, (a) which is a continuation of #1 (above)
          line of thought, that I rejected any use of force to settle disputed
          territories, and (b) my attempts to convince those who were arguing in favor of
          the war that it was impossible they could expect what they were dreaming of by
          using their level argument, a sort of “ even if you believe so, it’s undoable.”
          I don’t know if you were in a transcendental state during those years but
          Ethiopians also were entertaining the same war games, from capturing Assab to
          marching to Asmara…to capturing IA, etc. Welcome back! It was odd time, but thanks to
          few Ethiopian friends and Eritreans who were ostracized from their communities
          we made it through. We are still friends, and many of those who painted us dark
          (in one occasion in front of Eritrean Foreign Minister, DuruE, where we went to
          see him privately in order to say “hello” and have some small talks, but mutual
          acquaintances humiliated us and created a bad atmosphere) have come to apologize,
          it’s too late.

          I think I have clearly stated this then and
          now. Even now, I am known in this forum for arguing that the conflict should
          settle through dialogue. I know I have taken some unpleasant criticisms in the
          past, I will continue to take some more, but I don’t believe in settling
          territorial disputes using force. There is no way around it. The alternative is
          to be subjected to eternal animosity. Your twisting my ideas (as presented
          above) begs me to remind you of one sentence you wrote “Only honesty and some
          sense of good purpose. These are just two elements. In my judgement about you,
          if I may have some doubts on the first, certainly I’ve none on the latter” Here
          you complained that my honesty was doubtful, I did not reply to your belief
          regarding my honesty, because I thought you were entitled to your opinion about
          me. However, when I see you display dishonesty at great length and in a glaring
          fashion it makes me think “Gee, what’s wrong with Gual Adem?”

          The rest, I won’t dwell in it because I
          have no doubt that you don’t wield an influential role in Eritrean politics.
          The question of whether Ethiopia should interfere in Eritrean politics could be
          debated on two levels. Citizens like me can discuss it at nonexecutive and non-authoritative
          level. Political leaders have their own decisions. None of the opposition I know float your idea. So who do you represent?

          I have framed the issue in a way you can’t get away with any linguistics
          acrobatics. If the opposition is made to depend on its resources (popular
          base), it doesn’t need Ethiopian interference. To make it appealing to the
          mass, the opposition needs to weed out or at least disassociate itself from
          individuals who present themselves as legit opposition while in reality keep
          promoting foreign interests. The second part is: Ethiopia is not going to do
          your call unless it sees its interest in doing so. And if it decides that’s is
          where its interest lies, then it doesn’t need your call. But in the process
          while floating ideas beyond your reach you are hurting the overall struggle,
          including those stationed in Ethiopia who have not advanced that type of
          pathetic calls.

          • Semere Andom

            Selam Mahmud:
            To avoid the irregular indentation, please cut your comment and paste into notepad and then copy post it here again. It is hard to read now as you said

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Thank you sem
            I hope it looks better now.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hello Hayat
          I’m pasting it from WP because I have lost two in the past and while I enjoy reading your comments, I frankly can’t keep up with such exhausting debates. I have an hour and half I could burn on my private time, and the topics we are discussing are not easy. So please bear with the difficult the irregular margines and indentations will create, soryy everybody for the inconvinience. Thanks.
          On jus ad bellum (or if Eritrea violated the criteria of using force as defined by international conventions):
          I said in my initial reply to you, Hayat Part II, “We know his acquiescence at that incident and his refusal to discuss it with senior commanders and colleagues in taking action to engage Ethiopia to reverse its hostile policies or go to international bodies to register Eritrea’s complaints cost Eritrea the benefit of enjoying victimhood. It did not get attention by the court, and the war is decided to have begun in May 1998, and Eritrea is accused as the starter of the war.” So clearly, there is no question Eritrea used force to take back Badme, a territory which was disputed and Eritrea rightfully claimed it was its territory, and was awarded to it later by international court. There is no question I stated it that way too. The claimant court you linked here had difficulty establishing whether tackling issues of jus ad bellum fall within its jurisdiction, but later established that in part and ruled on partial awards. The commission, and mind you this is not UNSC, or a court of law, nonetheless, established that Eritrea violation did not exceed the disputed territory which was later awarded to it. In fact, the commission drew distinctions between Iraq invasions of Kuwait, and Eritrea’s “unlawful use of force” against Ethiopia pertinent to UN charter article2, paragraph 4. The commission noted that in the case of Iraq, it condemned it and took extreme use of force to expel it, and determined Iraq was liable for all the damage. Ethiopia was pushing for this but failed. Because, in part, UNSC “…did not assign a responsibility to Eritrea for starting of the war and instead spoke in equal terms to both parties…) from using force.
          My question to you was to confirm to me if any “mediator” used that term. Because you stated that even mediators used it. Common sense tells us one cannot be a mediator and a judge at the same time. Here, we know let alone mediators, even UNSC did not use that term. In the case of Eritrea use of force, UNSC described and treated it as a border conflict. The jus ad bellum establishes only if the use of force was just/unjust or lawful/unlawful. What’s important here is whether Eritrea invaded, as you claim, Ethiopia, or invaded an area it considered belonged to it. The commission and UN bodies agree with the later. But you will have to see it from an Eritrean angle. Any advancing army, any charging army does invasion. You invade a position, it simply means you dislodge a warring enemy and occupy that position. You said I was playing the role of “technician” apparently happy with what Eritrea did. But here is what I said regarding this issue in the same comment that you mutilated, hence taking only the parts you thought were juicy.
          1.“I am a firm believer what the president took in May 1998 was wrong.” What else do you need more than this condemning? It’s there in the same paragraph.
          2.In the same quoted material you tried to use against me, there is something like this:”… I was telling them: a/ we should not have to do it; b/ then were do you stop? Mekelle, Desie, Addis…?”
          Here, you ignored (a) and stressed on (b), that’s a typical Hayat. Repeat: here are two parts, (a) which is a continuation of #1 (above) line of thought, that I rejected any use of force to settle disputed territories, and (b) my attempts to convince those who were arguing in favor of the war that it was impossible they could expect what they were dreaming of by using their level argument, a sort of “ even if you believe so, it’s undoable.” I don’t know if you were in a transcendental state during those years but Ethiopians were also entertaining the same war games, from capturing Assab to marching to Asmara…to capturing IA, etc. Welcome back! It was odd time, but thanks to few Ethiopian friends and Eritreans who were ostracized from their communities we made it through. We are still friends, and many of those who painted us dark (in one occasion in front of Eritrean Foreign Minister, DuruE, where we went to see him privately in order to say “hello” and have some small talks, but mutual acquaintances humiliated us and created a bad atmosphere) have come to apologize, it’s too late.
          I think I have clearly stated this then, and now. Even now, I am known in this forum for arguing that the conflict should settle through dialogue. I know I have taken some unpleasant criticisms in the past, I will continue to take some more, but I don’t believe in settling territorial disputes using force. There is no way around it. The alternative is to be subjected to eternal animosity. Your twisting of my ideas (as presented above) begs me to remind you of one sentence you wrote, “Only honesty and some sense of good purpose. These are just two elements. In my judgement about you, if I may have some doubts on the first, certainly I’ve none on the latter” Here, you complained that my honesty was doubtful. I did not reply to your belief regarding my honesty, because I thought you were entitled to your opinion about me. However, when I see you displaying dishonesty at great length and in a glaring fashion, it makes me think “Gee, what’s wrong with Gual Adem?”
          The rest, I won’t dwell in it because I have no doubt that you don’t wield an influential role in Eritrean politics. The question of whether Ethiopia should interfere in Eritrean politics could be debated on two levels. Citizens like me can discuss it at nonexecutive and non-authoritative level. Political leaders have their own decisions. None of the opposition I know float your idea. So who do you represent?
          I have framed the issue in a way you can’t get away with using any linguistic acrobatics. If the opposition is made to depend on its resources (popular base), it doesn’t need Ethiopian interference. To make it appealing to the mass, the opposition needs to weed out or at least disassociate itself from individuals who present themselves as legit opposition while in reality keep promoting foreign interests. The second part is: Ethiopia is not going to do your call unless it sees its interest in doing so. And if it decides that is where its interest lies, then it doesn’t need your call. But in the process, while floating ideas beyond your reach, you are hurting the overall struggle, including those stationed in Ethiopia who have not advanced that type of pathetic calls.

        • T. Kifle

          Hayat,

          Mahmud is telling you that Eritreans didn’t come to terms with their PFDJ , they are not convinced enough that the opposition are there for changing their situations for the better He is the opinion that when the two inter-looping conditions are met, the people would be capable to pool the resources needed to wreck the PFDJ’s ever staggering ship for good, hence that makes your cry for help “irrelevant”. So the pragmatic Mahumd seems turned to an ideologue “the masses always prevail” line of the leftist thinking. But he seems also to have missed, there is a clear lack of centre-of -mass in dealing with the gravity of the problem at hand. The problem with the opposition’s lack of convergence is not that because the “package” Ethiopia could offer is bad but because they don’t agree on what comes next: The Eritrean state thesis. This issue remains central even after PFDJ is long gone. Eritrea would obviously pay the price for its inaction.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Kifle
            Endemin kermewal?
            The problem I see is not from the ethiopian package as you put it . It is rather from the original packaging , processing and shipping center called Cairo university. The whole debacle was not intended for the benefit of eritrea or its people.
            What is amazing to witness is Egypt and Ethiopia are shaking hands while Eritreans are suffering.
            If I were an eritrean I will demand a recall on every product processed and shipped from Cairo university. it is infected with a deadly and self destructive virus.

          • T. Kifle

            Abi,
            I didn’t say Ethiopian package is a problem because there is none I know of a sort. I am using Hayat’s coinage for the help she thinks Ethiopia is willing and/or capable of extending to a legitimate and intensified Eritrean voice(which is non-existent at the moment) if they get their house in order before hand. Please reread my comment and I hope would be clear to you.

          • Abi

            Hey TK
            It is my mistake . I don’t have to re-read yours I have to re- write mine a little bit better. Mine was ambiguous
            Teredikado?
            Yeqenyeley

          • T. Kifle

            Abi,
            By the way I have not doubted your Tigriyna. Gondere beTigrinya’na be’Entin Aytamam 🙂

          • Abi

            Hi TK
            What is this entin blo neger? I know what you meant . Just say it . I know you are saying degnet, jegninet etc.
            “Jegna teweldoal keGonger
            Kuru new alu gidirdir
            Yamral wubetu
            YeJegna zer new meseretu
            Ene ewedewalehu Gondereneten
            Jegninet deginet yastemaregnin ”
            TK I was born and grew up in addis. My father came to addis when he was a teenager. I know less than 20 Tigrinya words . Let me put it differently.
            Ani insoba mele Tigrinya imbeku.

          • T. Kifle

            Abi,

            “yetim edeg Gonder teweled” tebilo te’tsifo’Al’na keHametu alameletkim 🙂 . The “entin stuff’ could be all of the things you mentioned Plus some spices of the other half :). What’s interesting is the Gonderes love to sing about everything Gonder stands for. While the Weloyes frequent the names of Ambasel, Bati, Gerado and Desse, the Gonders are laser-pointed just on Gonder. They care less about the skyline of Ras Dashen or the meanders of the Limalimo hairpin escarpments. It’s a pleasure knowing you at least on this virtual world.

          • Abi

            Hi TK
            Sew balew new yemiyageTew. Ras Dashen? Minew , minew,minew
            Terara eko leshifta new.
            Weloyen lezefen man yidersbetal?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Here is a joke I heard a while back about a Gondere man. If it is not a good joke, please let me know.
            .
            A Gondere man was returning home to Gonder from Addis. He was sitting in the bus when a well dressed man sat next to him. The journey began and the Gondere man started small talk with the guy next to him.
            .
            The conversation went like this:
            .
            Gondere: What is your name.
            .
            Passanger: Gemetchu.
            .
            Gondere: Visting Gonder?
            .
            Passanger: No, I am going to live there, I am a teacher.
            .
            Gondere: Good, what subject do you teach?
            .
            Passanger: Amarigna.
            .
            K.H

          • Rahwa T

            Hi K.H.

            Abi sayqedmegn

            “good bel Gonder!” ….

            qeriwn rasu ymulaw

          • Abi

            Hi Kim , Rahwa sistu
            That is a good one.
            I like to share with you what happened to me . This is a real story. It was exam time at AAU.
            I was at Kennedy library watching the girls study. While I was enjoying the beauty of them, my friend, who is ” yedebub lij” and majoring in Amharic came to me and started talking.
            The conversation goes like this;
            I : class endet new?
            He: kebad new.
            I: demo amarigna eyetemark kebad new tlaleh?
            He: amarigna qelal bihon noro yemanim gondere bale degree yihon neber.
            BTW, watching the girls paid off. My wife is one of the girls at AAU.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Abi,

            I see why you are so good in folklore. Any way I thought you would add on Horizon’s jock. Let me add based on what I heard. Gemechu was from Welega. And the Amhara man was wondered and said “gooood bel Gonder, Gemechu ke Welega Amargna liastemrih metual! “ ale yiballal

          • Tzigereda

            Selam T.Kifle,
            Can you please elaborate waht you mean by “The problem with the opposition’s lack of convergence is not that because the “package” Ethiopia could offer is bad but because they don’t agree on what comes next: The Eritrean state thesis. This issue remains central even after PFDJ is long gone.”?

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Tzigereda,

            You know, the discussion, these days, is turned to a diametrically opposite polarized views on the methods of removing the PFDJ. This is based on a hypothetical presumptions that Ethiopia would volunteer to chip down the PFDJ as a preemptive move of preventing an impending chaos in its northern border and thereby creating an enabling environment for Eritreans handle their affairs. So you have range of opinions dotted allover the opposition spectrum starting from the most absurd which disdains everything Ethiopian(a group that rides high on the Eritrean nationalist horse which is built on humiliating Ethiopia ), and ending with another group who want to give it a try as it believes post-PFDJ Eritrea cannot be any worse than it is now and and it seems they see Ethiopia as a reliable partner and could really help to end the miseries appropriated to the Eritrean people. In the middle are those who opted to remain cautious, with enough latitude to go either way, with a legitimate concerns over the unpredictability of Ethiopian intervention but most importantly they think it would whittle down their long held “pride” contradicting their endearing motto of “Eritrean solutions for Eritrean problems”

            The two groups base their arguments on the question of sovereignty. But this to me looks disingenuous as sovereignty also includes the legitimate right to decide for getting help from others. I didn’t read a compelling argument so far despite the volumes of articles and comments here and elsewhere. Getting help when needed by no means contradicts the “STATENESS” of the state. The question now is which group have the legitimacy to declare that needed help and invite Ethiopia( the most unlikely scenario) to step in on the behave of the Eritrean people. Here comes the theory of the center-of-mass taking from prof. Tes’s book of classical mechanics. Do the Eritrean oppositions have the center-of-mass which most of the parts in the end would gravitate to wards it?For example which group does Hayat represent? is it a solo opinion of her own or represent one party among the myriad of them we hear every now and then undergo fission and fusion and vice versa? If she represents a party then why not we hear it officially from the party in public as a declared means of the struggle towards removing the despot? Individuals have also the right to suggest whatever they think is right and timely and I don’t question Hayat’s right for the same as did YGs years back. But it would be almost impractical for two reason:

            1) Public opinion in Ethiopia is against any move that benefits Eritrea and much less volunteering to sacrifice loved ones for that end.

            2. The Eritrean Opposition wouldn’t agree on the very idea of Ethiopia’s involvement not for the inherent problems the unlikely intervention would entail but many of them have invested so much in building their real estate of Eritrea at the extremes of Ethiopia’s look-down. That disintegrates their little world as they think they are left with non so have to pin their hopes in another unlikely scenario of homegrown dissent which finally gathers intensity and purpose to end IA’s rule.If all they can hope for is just that, why do they need to organize themselves around a certain party with a certain objectives that would never benefit the Eritrean people?

            Then back your question:

            What I mean is Eritreans are divided. Divided that they lack the center of purpose and influence not because of anything external but because of the agenda they have for future Eritrea. They vehemently disagree in many issues and the contradictions are of no secondary nature which in effect lingers the question of legitimacy pushes further the opportunities for early consensus even could be a source of future conflicts.

          • tes

            Dear T. Kifle,

            What you are missing from your center-of-mass argument is that, the motion that is happing in creating a clear line of political thinking. So far, eveyone is calling for justice and when they come and sit together, there are thousands of unresolved issues. These issues are not because of our divisions but they were shelved in individual’s library. There was no lithmus paper to taste their lines.

            At this time, filtration is on due process. YG came with his grand library and was put in a lithmus paper, identified, filtered and dumped for good. Individuals like Hayat Adem are coming with naked call for an intervnetion. And now they are in their final version of filtration. Individuals like Semere Andom are also there with their closed library and have no shame to call a ‘fake sovereignity”. Some are already living in the Never Land while others are working hard for Habeshanism.

            All these individuals are within the justice seeking camp. They are all meant to bring change. They may look divided but are not. I am saying this when a critics is generated, lots of energy is wasted that usually ends with converging views and hence “Filtration Process”. Eritrean conferences were full of flaws and all they produce is division and hence they need to be aware of the existence of different entities within us. Once we know, then there will not crashing but a fierce debate.

            Presence of a legitimate party is not of a question now. It is in the process of building.

            In this regard, I am very positive in the way we move and don’t worry. All you might worry is not to be deceived by individuals or groups who come as if they are representatives of Eritrean view owners.Treat them as not as the sole Eritrean representatives but of their own and are not legitimate as you have cleared for the absence of such force.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Yesfabirhan,

            Roughly speaking in every two comments of yours, I reading YGs name included. I remember you have written a single article and have “attempt” to disprove his philosophical thinking on the Eritrean revolution. But I doubt if your work was good enough to challenge the idea of this philosopher. In my opinion your work was a work from a simple, over-ambitious, undergraduate student who has worked show that the student has a potential to write a long essay or research
            project. Contrary to this you have been bragging as if you have kicked YG out of politics and forced him to stop writings. You are reminding me the story of the frog that tried to be as big as the elephant but ended up burst. Otherwise, I don’t think, even Saleh Yonus has had presented a compelling argument to falsify YG’s work let alone your single article. You are the only one who says “…filtered and dumped “. Why don’t you leave others to judge your work?

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T.

            I did almost nothing to challenge YG. Thanks to people who challenged him through out his dissimination of articles. Credit goes to saay7, Amanuel Hidrat, Saleh Johar, and other people who challenged him even in paltalk debates. Mine is inssignificant and I don’t consider it even as a work. Before I wrote against his arguments, I denounced him and I happened to write only after Amanuel Hidrat provoked me to do so. This tells, I didn’t write to YG (as he was already dead by that time) but I wrote to Amanuel to show him how wrong even YG was in the last article.

            But, I used to mention YG because he is a special guy. He is the first in Eritrean history who tried to erase Eritrean history and wanted her to be back to the 1960s, when the wicked emperor Haile Silassie was grabbing the land of innocent people.

            YG will be remembered in our history as man with dead soul and I recall his name to remind those hopeless and war thirsty individuals how wrong even they can be if they continue to live in dispair.

            Else, I have nothing to be proud of my insignificant work. I wish I will do in future but now I am a student as you spotted it rightly.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Tesfabirhan,

            It is good to see you being humble and gentle this time and know your limit. However I don’t think Yosef was the first and the only person who wrote about the Cause of your revolution in a negative portray. I can cite Tekeste Negash. I am not sure Dr Amare Tekhle has also written something similar to what Prof Tekeste work long before he changed his skin. Many will come in the near future. I don’t know about SAAY, but I doubt if Amanuel Hidrat and Saleh Johar would agree with your wording in describing YG as “dead soul”. No. Whether you like it or not, his work will continue Eritreans debate for decades. I suppose his work would be the focus of a lot of MA and PhD. I think in addition to you behavior, your shortage of vocabulary is exposing you to look bravado.

            Thanks

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T.,

            Regrading my vocabulary, yes, I said it to myself, many said it to me and you are repeating it. I am not in English, sorry. But the good thing is, at least you are trying to understand what I am saying. This means, I am at least communicating with my very poor vocabulary.

            On whether Saay7, Amanuel Hidrat and Saleh Johar, will agree with me or not, Rahwa, I am saying what I have to say. That is all. And if you don’t accept it, it is your understanding and I have no power to tune your undestanding.

            The dilemma here is,

            You protect YG at all time. I have observed this many times. I am sorry to see your school destroyed but that is the fate of dead soul’s line of thinking.

            And Kim Hanna protects Hayat Adem.

            Regarding the mentioned, I have little information and if they tried to erase Eritrean history, the history will not be deleted but it will add in its recordings as those people who tried to delete history. History simply records and there is no mercy.

            tes

          • Ted

            Dear RT, i bet you are wondering what ever happen to YG. You calling him philosopher has merit on your political spectrum while we see him as a political pundit with provocative view on Eritrean politics. Those were the old good days when the Philosopher Meles Zenawi telling the world Eritreans can’t hold it together as nation, boldly predicting the regional and religion tension tearing it apart. These views had gained grounds in Ethiopia where “the Philosophers” were ushered up to the highest chair as a new thinkers. The proponent of the theory, Eritreans should had not been free, have come and gone to their rightful places and you coming here to praise those “Philosophers” with your hate filled heart to the people you supposedly want embrace as Ethiopians doesn’t hold watet rather shows your angry Aqli Tibet. What is the use of Philosophers when you failed to teach as a lesson with your ” i love you” gun.

            BTW, What do you fit in you disliking Gheteb’s vocabulary skill and tes’s “lack” of it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Teddy,

            YG is a student of that discipline of knowledge “philosophy”. You may or may not disagree to his political argument, but he is a political pundit of philosophy with full knowledge of philosophical theory and philosophical conceptual uptake. You can’t disprove his educational background who took philosophy as his career like everyone of us we chose our own career. Just to state the facts.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman what is Yg’s career?
            Did you see how trying to groom some thing fake can ridicule your own credebility?
            Yg is nothing but garbage. Deal with it. You never came out and declare your position till today. Thanks for coming clean.

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Nitricc,

            It is weird when I garbage call garbage to descent men and women. Of course, this is not very surprising for those of us who frequently use minibuses in Addis. “afer beduqet yisqal”

          • Nitricc

            I am sorry but it is not afer; it is amed be uqat

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            what did I declare? if you understand what I wrote about his profession. Are you going to disown me my own profession? That is how you are looking. YG studied philosophy and you can’t disown his profession. For everything there is a limit. Nitiricc, you should understand that. Opposing his view is something else, and you could do so. But don’t jump something you don’t know about him and his profession.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Dear AH, You know much more accredited courses than me, what is “political pundit of philosophy” don’t bother answering it. The insurance broker with Marine biology collage credential wouldn’t frame his diploma on his office walls, would he. YG shouldn’t have, he was a political pundit with interest. YG experimented to mashing up what he learned in his philosophy class with his political interests. He loved the attention arguing radical thinking are not always accepted right away and was hailed by those who want to break the stamina of Eritreans and their struggle(talk about 15 minute of fame) if it were not for not Ethiopian rulers who raised him up for every one to see, he would have been nothing but a coffee house joke. YG is that kind of person who is in love with the idea of being challenged as philosopher not the political view he advocate.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Teddy,
            Political philosophy is part of the philosophy classes. There is no mashing up in YG’s case. He could frame his diploma on his office wall if he want to. The rest of you comment are your position on his political intake. You could hold it as far as you have different view on his stands. I wrote articles opposing his position he had on ghedli and when he questioned its cause. Most of the debate in this form is focused on his personality rather on his argument. Actually it looks the common trait of all of us, that if someone has different view from the general understanding of the public, we hate them and treat them like enemies. That has to be changed.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            The man of the Never Land, please please please get out from this low level proof readings. I believe no one will expect you proofing his bibiography.

            What matters is his work. Even a medical doctor is expected to cure people but sometimes he kills. On the same take, philosophers are expected to philosophise on good things but people like YG did the opposite.

            Op sorry, I forgot, you are writing from the hopeless land called Never Land.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Ted,
            On your last, point: I think it is good when things are done at the right time and place. It is not good to be too extravagant, but it is also good when use the right word to explain her/himself so that other would understand him easily. For the rest of your comment, what can I say if millions of ordinary students, and cadres throw rocks of insults at a man of extra-ordinary caliber? I don’t think I am correct if I ask the academic integrity of Saay, irrespective the amount of political difference I have with him. Did you see my point?

          • Ted

            Dear RT, We all have brain, we all have time, we may all have some form of education. The important thing is what you make of what we have. The British scientist who claimed vaccines cause Autism left thousands of people exposed for life threatening illnesses. Could a nurse stand up and say, it doesn’t fell right children are getting sick, this scientist is wrong. Those of us “ordinary students and cadres” feel the same. you can not only blame for our lack of schooling but also there may be some thing not right from “extra-ordinary caliber”
            You can question SAAY in what he advocate or say since i hav’t seen him say i know this for a fact because i went to such school.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Ayte T.Kifle,

            I am not that enthused to respond to you and I want you to note that I am doing this very, very, very reluctantly. Had it not been for the statement quoted below, I would have done my usual thing: skim and skip.

            You said:

            “My last statement is no related to the “narrowly defined package of help” but to the ever widening divergence of opinions on the very notion of Eritrea itself. ”

            You are saying that there is this huge difference ((widening divergence)) of views or opinions among Eritreans “on the very notion of Eritrea itself”.

            My response: You won’t say. I mean what in God’s green Earth are you talking about here?

            A) Don’t tell me that you are referring to the Eritrea that survived from being riven asunder by the schemes of outsiders in the 50s.

            B) Don’t tell me that you are talking about “the very notion of Eritrea…” that was again hardened and congealed in the 30 years long Eritrean Revolution.

            C) You are not saying that Eritreans have even confirmed to those who doubted their “Eritrean-ness” in 1998 by holding a referndum.

            D) You are not saying that Eritrea has surmounted a seemigly an insuberable arrays of hurdles literally by its ‘bootstraps’ in the past 15 years.

            Again, there may be a divergence of opinions ( which for your inforamtion is common in almost every country including your Weyane-led Ethiopia), but to say that there is ” a wide divergence of the very notion of Eritrea itself” is flat-out fallacious.

            Or, could it be that the ghost of Meles is yet again repeating what the living Meles told Paul Henze in 1990 that the Eritrean Muslims will rebel against the EPLF leading to the dissolution of Eritrea.

            Maybe you are echoing what Ayte Sebhat Nega wants. The Eritrean question that whether it was a colonial question should be revisited and examined.

            Well, I can tell you this with certainity. Eritrea has a multitudinous of problems and issues. However, “the very notion of Eritrea” is not one of them.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    the poem of SGL was so powerful it touche my heart. the Arabic one is stronger I believe than the English one. hearing it even stronger than reading it. This makes me think of adding my Arabic poems although I am not that professional..again I feel I should add voice attached voice for those who will get it digital. for today here is my best gift for SGL and you. really I don’t want jump without saying my say.

    Dear SGL, please give your minute to read it if I can keep going. I heard your poem 25 times. I read it at least 3 times. for me, if read it once that is a great thing as I know you are too busy than I do. Thank you.

    by the way, I am trying to translate your poem to Tigrigna and Amharic. but it never came still the way you do it.

    ………أمل الحياة……….

    الأرض من سكنت فيها الأرواح عليها شهداء

    والسماء بمدى الآفاق توحينا بأنها تهبنا حياة

    ضعف الحيلة زائر مدته في نفوس الجدباء

    تطول إن وهبتها سيل الدموع تنعشه حياة

    نصبح بالهوان نستسلم باسم الهزيمة ضعفاء

    رغم أن الرمق والروح تدبان بنبض الحياة

    الظلام السرمدي وأنت إن أردت أصدقاء

    تكونان،فمنهجك السبات ولا فيك قلب حياة

    الحمامة حتى حين نمو ريشها مومياء

    أصبحت ورقدت برغيد الموت بآخر حياة

    النور ينفطر بصوت الأطفال الأبرياء

    يلهمنا بمستقبل السلام وجلاء مآسي الحياة

    اتحدنا باختلافاتنا نتعايش بالوطنية أسوياء

    حينها تهبنا جميل النفس والهوى والحياة

    نتكلم بنحن وناء الفاعلين:لاخوف ولا داء

    حينها ينعم معقل جانب العقل بسلام الحياة

    سنتغنى بمقامات اصواتنا وآهات الفرح علياء

    في أوطاننا نتلذذ بمكامن حرية حقيقة الحياة
    نجم السلام

    • selam

      Dear K.S

      You are good and i can go up in praising you but here is the thing i find it elusive to understand.

      أصبح الذل الهزيمة الاستسلام نيابة عن الضعفاء
      To explain our nonarabic speakers or readers i will translate as i understand it
      , the hope of life …Become humiliation of defeat surrender on behalf of the weak.

      Can you explain it to me if possible , because i find it some thing politcally attached term in your beautiful poem.

      again i thank you for your poem and gift to me as i always will put in one catalog of poems by eritreans.

      selam

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam, it seems you are trying to find the idea from Google. you have again written it wrong here. what I wrote is نصبح بالهوان نستسلم باسم الهزيمة ضعفاء read it again.

        • selam

          i did not translate it but i failed on typo sorry for that again, but i find it the same to my english understanding but of course i failed on writing it on arabic still it is the same in the accounts of my english

          • selam

            Dear Moderator
            sorry for the salutation i forget it

        • Kokhob Selam

          ብዘይ ተስፋ ንትስእ ‘ ሞ ብሽም ውድቀት ኢድና ንህብ ድኹማት ስለ ዝኾና but read from the beginning again to get the idea completed.

          • selam

            Ok kokhob

            I accepted and tell you , it is fantastic poem no politics nothing attached , i will copy it with your name under the poem and put it under my collections under your name ,

        • tes

          Dear KS,

          I don’t know what she will benefit from trying to be… and pretending as being….

          tes

    • Saleh Johar

      انها ابيات شعر راقية وبالاسلوب التقليدي الأصيل ، ومثل هذه الأبيات عادة ما تكون بتشكيل
      ولكن وجدة اسلوبك بالتقرنية وهذه الأبيات مختلفة تمتما، هنا التزمة بالوزن والقافية عكس الشعر الذي تكتبه بالتقرني.

      ولكن هذا شعر راقي جداً واذا تملك مثل هذه الموهب، انصحك ان تكتب بالعربي.

      شكرا، استمتعة بها

      • Kokhob Selam

        شكرا استاذي الفاضل صالح ..لست مبدعا كثيرا ..ولكن أخذ مني جهدا كبيرا ووقت لكي اكتب هذا شعر ..مادفعني هو .كتابتك ..مؤثرة ..وفي مستقبل القريب ان شاءالله ..ساكتب ..بالعربية ..

        • selam

          Dear Saleh and Kokhob.

          قل لي ما هو سر. هل لديك أكثر لأنني جمع هذا العمل بالطبع أنا لست الشخص الوحيد، نحن مجموعة من الناس الذين يريدون وضع القصائد الإريترية وغيرها على الخط. يمكنك إعطاء تحت أي سيناريو، واستطيع ان اعطيكم معالجة لإعطاء. كل القصائد التي جمعت تسير على قدم تحت اسم أصحابها. أنا بالطبع أسأل فقط عن القصائد التي لا سوبورت الحرب.

          • Saleh Johar

            selam,
            Don’t use google translation for public أنا بالطبع أسأل فقط عن القصائد التي لا سوبورت الحرب
            Google doesn’t understand the sentence construction so it couldn’t translate “support” and returns the English work typed in Arabic. For example. Qul li mahuwa srr. Don’t use google.

  • selam

    Dear Gherhi/Mizan , guest

    Good you believe what you believe that does not concern me at all . I do believe you are constantly crossing awate.com rules by constantly saying i in any form are here to defend IA while i have never ever expressed my will to this man. Second I challenge any one who by any means find me erratic or any kind of that to address my points. Unless i will ask awate.com moderator you are directly insulting me by saying i support the dictator so do they apply their rules proportionally to all of us equally.

    The reason i am here is , because i feel you and people lik you are initiating terrible thing to happen. correct me if i am wrong and i will ask to forgive me. until that day here is what i say to you.
    “To initiate a war of aggression…,” is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear mizaan,
    I ask her earlier the same question.I think it is possible. I know people from horn and Arab countries writing here, some using other names. with this advanced technology it is possible. and there are other reasons that someone from PFDJ camp also wright openly if he is a member and sent to do so. for what ever reason and from were ever it is, we are only discussing Ideas and we should not care about it I think. don’t mind, it is only my suggestion.

    • Mizaan

      Dear KS, I agree with you in some sense about location being not a factor but on the other hand, Observer makes a great point. We do not have a lot of voice from eritrea and a truthful person in eritrea could give us a good picture of what’s going on there. But as you can clearly see, Selam doesn’t resemble like anyone writing from eritrea in any way at all. She thinks she can get away with it.

    • selam

      Dear Kokhob
      I have asked you to tell me what cost does it cost for the Eritrean people to be taken on the right side of your god , yet you did not reply , you come here to help Mizan . Does it concern for any one where i am . Does it make sense to question for me where do you live and tell you if you are living in any place . does it make you any sort of bad seed to our cause , no. We all Eritreans where ever we are have the right to stand against common enemy but that does not mean we will agree on all sphere of the struggle , But we should try and see the best strategy for our solutions.
      And again Kokhob , does it flash any light to you why are so man many people against me ? why is that ? what did i really do here ?Please help me understand this ?

      are not me entitled to hate weyane and still oppose IA ? are not me entitled to oppose any kind of war in Eritrea ?

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,
        I want you to be strong and continue. supporting PFDJ if you think is correct do so. come with reason. if you want to oppose both PFDJ and EPRDF do so as you are doing it now. come with your reason. convince people not for the sake of wining but for main aim peace. if you have to change you stand because you found it to be wrong do it. you are always a winner if you come with reason or others came with reason and convince you. that is what I am telling every one. we should not make it the end of the world like what our politicians are doing it. just oppose not because someone is your enemy or you want to make him enemy.

        I am sure you are going to get higher. and I am sure you will help others.

        regarding the right side of my god! I don’t think I have special god. but I am preparing to put if for you one clear road. allow me sometime. the problem with this subject is it will allow Muslims and Christian extremists jump. so please give me time to put it in simple way.

  • Nitricc

    dude, don’t take things at the face value; SAAY was way wrong and he failed to see the difference between taking a position and a direction. I don’t give a flying hoot what toothless Semere position is but i have huge problem with his direction he is taking and that what SAAY failed to distinguish.
    the other point SAAY failed to consider is that my father or my mother did this did that for Eritrea language is gone. what we have is what do YOU do for Eritrea. the other day your friend Semere asked me if i know some one who fought for Eritrea; i didn’t even answered him other ways i could have told him my mother and my father fought for Eritrea but that is not how it works. the order of the day is what do you do for Eritrea.
    so, at least understand before all you bend out of shape for nothing. i have it from very good sources Kalid is opportunistic and he never went to Sawa.

    • SA

      Nitricc,
      Khaled did not go to Sawa because the government excused him from going to Sawa because he was working as a journalist. You can ask him directly on his Facebook page, and he would tell you why he did not go to Sawa. He does not use pen names. Just search “Khaled Abdu” on Facebook and contact him.
      SA

      • Semere Andom

        Hi SA:
        It does not matter, Nitricc like usual he forgot to to take his medication, that is his session with Mahmud.
        Nitricc lives in the USA and is a USA army employee in some capacity and his entire family left Eritrea when it needed them the most. He goes to Ethiopia and Eritrea and he has never contributed to Eritrea and no one from his family did anything for Eritrea. he wants entire family to be extinct while his in unscathed in the USA serving USA.
        I know this is ugly but he us the instigator.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Ted,
    Don’t worry all you have to do is jump it. I do that ! most of the time I do jump most of your posts and some whom I don’t feel are important. sometime I read the reply of others and I get forced to read yours but I seldom read it. do the same and take peace of mind.

    • Ted

      KS, it is easier said than done. When you insult hard working Eritreans(ex-Ethiopians) in the form real event story , it is hard to ignore and it says a lot about you., You could have said out right, we had it good with Ethiopia. There is nothing wrong wishing Ethiopia taking Eritrea back or suggesting Eritrea is becoming terrorist breeding ground but you have to hold your ground and defend your voice. A wet soap argument is not good for the University.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Ted, you know if even you have been one day a member of PFDJ you will be always searching to find reason to defend because deep inside you, every body is your enemy. now you are exposed from those posts you are not reading the comments as they are. so you go further step blaming and labeling. and someone who is in trouble like you will enjoy it. see, you said “There is nothing wrong wishing Ethiopia taking Eritrea back or suggesting Eritrea is becoming ….” where did I say so? no where I took position on that but you don’t have any other choice and you are trying to blame. it is always the same even your educated members are cornered when they start debating. that is the worst sickness we should cure not removing PIA. removing PIA is taking pain killer for serious illness.

        • Ted

          KS, you are missing the point. I am trying to give you wings, not your Sherkotete like penguin. I like you to shoot standing what ever you feel right. I can handle it and people here in the University are more equipped to respond to your view. You and Semere imply things and when confronted, accuse people being a liars. It is not fair. You said;

          “it seems some are trapped thinking Ethiopia will take back Eritrea more than Eritrea is going down to stage of (which is already to some level)”

          1)”failed state to become the home of terrorism” there is no terrorism in Eritrea, if there were IA would be the first to milk it and the world medias would be all over it. You made it up.

          2) Are trapped thinking Ethiopia taking Eritrea back before become terrorist breeding ground? who is trapped, TPLF or Eritrean opposition or you. Since there is no Eritrean for annexation of Eritrea.

          Since you came at the conclusion(Ethiopia thinking taking back Eritrea) based on your own false premise(terrorism in Eritrea to some level), i only can conclude the view to be your brain child. I hope i got it wrong but i doubt it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ted, your mind is open to be seen. you are a simple guy trying to find your place. and you sure learn a lot. how can you give me wing when you couldn’t even move from where you are. no, if I say “”it seems some are trapped thinking Ethiopia will take back Eritrea more than Eritrea is going down to stage of (which is already to some level)” does that mean I am taking position that Eritrea should go back to Ethiopia? is that? what you are trying to do here is cover your support to PFDJ. that is all. so to whom are you trying to be smart? the readers? this site is famous and a lot people are reading it. ask any person (PFDJ free mind) about your posts and your likes. don’t think you’s style will support to hide the idea you try to use. so my friend go sleep, don’t think you can cheat Eritrean people.

  • Peace!

    Dear Ermias Gherhi Guest Mizan,

    Why would you give credit to DIA? Smart kid like you should be helping the opposition get organized and get rid of DIA, not sitting on computer and making empty comments; otherwise, politics can be overwhelming so it is necessary to know your LIMITS.

    Regards

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Belay, let me first confirm you the story is true.Bahir Dar is there and I heard the man is alive still (I am not sure) but you can ask students of those days. I am sure you will confirm it yourself as the students of those days are also there to ask. I know the man and I know his children Sisay, Temesgen, Belete (R.I.P.) and Defar were there and when the wife dead the man has got married and has more children. now all you have to do is ask someone from Bahir Dar who was in 70’s.

    the Tigrayan was not with me when I was talking with AbaTilahun but afterwards (I have talked with him in the same day) and he know them and was in first day school meeting. read and you will understand

    ይህን የሰማ የትግራዩ ጓደኛየ—
    “ኣይ እውነታቸውን ነው ኣሁን ጅብ ጋላቢውን ኣማራ ለይቶ ማወቅ ያስቸግር የለ ! ”

    you said some very old theory which is nonsense too. Eritreans who left Eritrea due to the war (who don’t want to be part of Gedli) were coming to their families who settled in Ethiopian towns like Gonder and Bahirdar. some use it as transit but some continue their education.

    yes ended, Eritreans in Ethiopia were industrious and were living good life.
    regarding the joke, If you are not able to lough on this , it is wrong to check the part of brain responsible of enjoyment.

    I know the story of animals in meeting, when they lough all only the donkey was laughing late but still within the meeting understands the joke.

  • selam

    Dear Awetista

    Imagine you are in a flight that is going to crash any moment. All you have with you is a self-help book named How to save yourself from a plane crash. So, how will you survive the crash?

    How do we debate with people who are way far from the reality with out calling them lairs ? some of them call the Eritrean heroes Herds of PIGS, some of them call for Ethiopia to wage a war on Eritrea and take them to power by any means , And some Ethiopians here yes here try using every name like bastards and question the identity of Eritreans to advance their evil ideas , also some times changing from their known awate name to guest when they want bash label people. Some of them also want to rewrite the true history of the Eritrean people because their own history tells them the Eritrean people are superior to them and they are viewed as low level by Eritreans. How do we really come up to that level .

    Are they losing the game or are they frustrated by knowing we Eritreans will never give up and sold out to weyane easily ?

    • T..T.

      Look, who’s talking. Yesterday you were defending the indefensible regime saying the Bisha incident was a lie. When one lies against the reality, the reality betrays her/him denying the cover up. Lately, your EPDP issued a statement condemning Ethiopia for the attack describing the attack as “unwarranted action on the territorial sovereignty of the state of Eritrea.”

      For more, here’s the link: http://harnnet.org/index.php/news-and-editorial/item/1492-ethiopian-missiles-were-cause-of-damage-on-bisha-on-20-march-sources-in-asmara-claim

      Selam, you should know this: Truth needs no defense because it can defend itself. But a white lie cannot even be remembered and that’s why the liar has to lie again on top of the first lie leading to a chain of lies. Those who know the regime and intentionally dwell upon its deceits are seen going the longest way lying, repeating the lies and living on lies. Such people are considered by the innocent Eritreans as damn liars who do not feel the painful truth for sometimes until they find out that one “can fool some of the people all of the time, and all the people for some of the time, but cannot fool all of the people all of the time” (by Abraham Lincoln).

      • selam

        Dear T.T

        You know i have zero intention to your sources you and your website already lost the credibilty long time ago. Your sources must be well above the Bisha mine. Please just focus on your daily life and avoid making lies over lies. Debate people with facts and also some logic that can show us some thing bigger meal with your bosses.

    • Abel

      Selam,
      Some of the problems mentioned are no more than a wishful thinking, it only exist in your mind.Defending the indefensible is quite a challenge specially if you not directly benefiting from it.

      • selam

        Dear Abel

        Well i really think you need to open another case not this one.Here is the perfect case for you, If Mr Meles’s peacock lays an egg in Mr Gebru Asrat’ yard, who owns the egg.

        • Abel

          Selam.
          I bet Issayas would.

          • selam

            Dear Abel and ………

            You did not answer the question so , i will totally ignore your question too and i hope you stop asking .Hayat with here group like you , does 5 sets of pushup, 6 sets of sit-up, 7 sets of squat, and 8 sets of bench dip in a day. So, which organ in your body would be the largest? The answer is your skin. Nothing more . Your brain does not think at all. If you have any sense you could have replied Peacock does not lay egg, i was wrong to think you are smart.

          • Abel

            Selam,
            You remind me of my day care years, you don’t think it about time for you to grow up? Sorry, I Kinda over estimated you.Country and people are on the verge anarchy and you have time for teret teret… Ye lam beret…?

    • Observer

      Dear Selam,
      I like your views and find them to be credible and mainstream. The only thing I find hard to believe is your claim that you are in Asmara and my reluctance is based on some of the things you say and also the timing and frequency of your postings. The moderators do good jobs in managing the forum (they tend to get tougher on Eritreans but overall fair). The mods’ weakness or negligence is that they don’t attempt to intervene when the situation calls for. In your case for example, when people question your claim of your location, they went MIA all in the name of protecting privacy. It is as though they think confirming or denying your claim brings the world to its end. I say all this because for me there is a big difference when one is commenting from home and abroad. I value comments written by the two differently. Very differently.
      I will ask you this and in the absence of the moderators indifference, I have no choice but to take you at your words.
      Are you really in Eritrea?

      • selam

        Dear Observer

        Thanks for taking my claim to be credible and they are main stream i mean if you are honest . Now do you need me to prove you that i live in Amsara ? First what are the reasons you think i am not ? Second let me guess why you are asking. and here is my assumption
        1. There is no fast internet access in asmra which is totally idiotic
        2. you will let me down in accusing some one in awate.com i will search the one comment by awate.com moderator
        3.You think there could not be such in Asmara. There are more but for a very limited time

        Drop your email down .

      • Observer,
        One goes MIA only from a place he or she is supposed to be. We never been immigration officers and will never be. Maybe you missed that, but our guidelines explain that. You can claim you are from outer space, we do not care as long as you abide by our guidelines. Given that, why do you think the moderator went MIA?

        • Observer

          Dear Awate,
          Thanx for the feedback. Let me press a little further. Let’s say someone writing from California claims “there is giffa going on in Asmara right now. I am in Asmara myself and personally witnessing it”
          Would you, as a moderator, try to correct the misleading claim, or would you be fine with it because per the pg, location and the claim of it is totally irrelevant?

      • chairman

        Respected Observer,

        If you value commenters based in Asmara highly, let me introduce you to my favorite commenter. She is called Milena Bereket. You may follow her on twiter @tekerebanelim https://twitter.com/tekerebanelim. She is the director of the only think tank based in Eritrea which is called African Strategies. She is also on facebook. Just google her name. She comments in English and Arabic. She a bileni young lady who was born and rased in the middle east and studied political science in the USA. She thought briefly at Mia Nefhi. But she is no relations to Selam here. If you can not follow Selam here, I suggest you follow Milena on twiter.

  • AOsman

    Dear Mizaan,

    At one point DIA was supporting the Somali Court Union when Ethiopia intervened. The leadership moved to Asmara and when they split the group led by Dahir Hussein remained there for sometime, while Sh.Sherif moved to Djibouti and become the head of Transitional Federal Government. Both groups had no influence on Al-Shebab (call it Phase 3 development – DIA having responsibility in Phase 1 and 2). Alshebab is more radical and closer to Alqaida than any of those supported by our dictator. Dahir Hussein when he moved back to Somalia was under their control with no leadership role and eventually was arrested by the current Somali government.

    In many discussion the accusation on Eritrea is stretched just to implicate DIA, even though I am against his rule, I believe it is a lie and this by “any means necessary” approach to topple him and maybe give out Eritrea in the process is only harming the opposition.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • selam

      Dear Aosman

      Thanks for telling them the truth but will they understand , will they (opposition like Mizan) understand ?
      have they ever think the consequences of continues lie over lie is harming the real opposition. Some times i think such voices are just making the IA regime more valid in the over all propaganda news.

      I wish we have created a very vibrant opposition by eliminating people like mizan who are rooted to lies . They are an obstacle for convincing the Eritrean people.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi AOsman:
      So the sanction are just there to get DIA and is not based on facts? And also any evidence that “by any means necessary” is hurting the opposition, that is evidence like people avoiding the opposition and supporting the regime. Except a few opportunists elements like Dr. Mussie M, I never heard any opposition who joined PFDJ, it is in the contrary; despite the dysfunction of the opposition, despite their domicile in Ethiopia, despite their dismal performance, despite their claim of armed attacks on PFDJ, people are abandoning PFDJ. “Any means necessary” does not mean “ayni biley sni biley”, it was coined when the opposition was debating peaceful or armed struggle.
      Eritrea= people+land.
      There is danger in any armed endeavor, it can be messy, look at the last war you would not imagine human being, especially next of kin to be that cruel to each other, but remember we are not always enemies, we are not always friends……” and the right now, the situation in Ethiopia that is their attitude to Eritreans is ripe, the situation in Eritrea, people’s hate for PFDJ is at its highest. Only our silly opposition does not see this to make utmost use of it.

      • AOsman

        Selam Semere,

        You don’t have to push my comment to one extreme to make a point, by now you should have got tired of such style of debate.

        To reiterate my point, I mentioned that DIA supported the Somali Islamic Courts Union when Ethiopia interfered and re-installed the alliance of warlords, which the USA was supportive off. If you are to claim Eritrea supported a terrorist organization, it is the associates of that group, which have moved on from the scene long ago.

        ————————————————————————————————————————–
        A timeline based on BBC with some editing and other sources would help [ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14094632 ]

        2006 June-July – Militias loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts take control of Mogadishu and other parts of the south after defeating clan warlords.

        2006 December – Ethiopian and transitional government engage the Islamists in battle and soon put them to flight, capturing Mogadishu

        2007 January – Islamists abandon their last stronghold, the southern port of Kismayo

        2007 September – The Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia (ARS) was formed in Asmara to fight the TFG

        2008 May – ARS suffers internal splits mainly due to difference on peace talk with the TFG (Here the influence of Eritrea was an issue as Sh. Sherif and the ex-Speaker of Parliament Sharif Hassan Sheikh Aden move on, leaving Sheikh Aweys (a terrorist by USA) in Asmara)

        2009 January – Ethiopia completes the withdrawal of its troops, announced the previous year, and Al-Shabab capture Baidoa, formerly a key government stronghold.

        2009–2012, Sheikh Sherif former ICU leader serves as the President of Somalia. DIA had supported his group, so it was easy to build up the evidence against Eritrea. The fact that Sheikh
        Sherif joined the government, led to a more extreme group to lead the rebels (Alshebab).

        2010 February – Al-Shabab formally declares alliance with al-Qaeda, begins to concentrate troops for a major offensive to capture the capital. (Alshebab at this stage are the only rebel resisting as their ex-leader has joined the TFG, Sh. Aweys had no option but to joins them)

        Aweys, who is in his 70s, is the former leader of the extremist group Hisbul Islam, which fought against Somali authorities and merged with al-Shabab in 2010. But in the last year, Aweys has
        been critical of other al-Shabab leaders, evidence of growing tension in the group. A United Nations monitoring group report on Somalia released last year says the Aweys faction is “considered to be more pragmatic” than the other wing of al-Shabab, headed by Ahmed Abdi Godane.

        Independent Horn of Africa researcher Abdiwahab Sheikh Abdi Samed says Aweys only aligned himself with al-Shabab because he had no other options.

        “He was there by default, not by design,” said Abdisamed. “He was under intensive pressure from al-Shabab, in fact, he was virtually (under) house arrest so he can’t do anything.”

        Report June 26, 2013
        http://www.voanews.com/content/militant-leader-captures-in-central-somalia/1689413.html

        The UN Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea, which investigates violations of an arms embargo on both nations, said in a report to the Council, seen by the Reuters news agency, that it had found no evidence of direct Eritrean support for al-Shabab in the past year.

        The Council imposed the embargo on the tiny east African state of Eritrea in 2009 over concerns its government was providing finance and weapons to al-Shabab – charges Asmara denied.

        Report – 17 Jul 2012
        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/07/2012716164543714168.html

        The reason I mentioned three phases in my previous input is to show that there has been development in the Somali war and that those allied with Asmara are no longer the players in the field. If the sanctions are not lifted, it is not proof that DIA supports Alshebab, but he is just unable to come out of it because of the many webs he has tangled himself in. It is in Ethiopia’s interest to keep the santion intact and it is doing excellent job in doing so.

        ————————————————————————————————————————–

        The second point about opposition joining PFDJ is not what I was talking about. Call them “silent majority”, “fence sitters”, “koboro junkies” or whatever, I was referring to that group who need to be won over and propaganda that is not based on evidence is cheap politics that does not build confidence.

        Regards

        AOsman

        • Semere Andom

          HI Aosman:
          Silent majority are different from the kobor junkies. But all of them are not newoccurance created by the “incompetent” opposition, evidence, please.
          These groups were there during the armed struggle, despite the clarity, competence of Ghedli. It is the free rid mentality for the first and aligning with the incumbent victor/power is the second(opportunist). From the 4 millions Eritrea, my guess is only less 5% brought the independence ( this includes everyone: the leadership, fighters and hafash wudubat). So I do not understand why the opposition is blamed for not attracting the innately free ride crowd and opportunists. If this was the problem, we would be laughing

          • selam

            Dear semer .A
            5% that number is a shame to all the eritreans and a disgrace to you , why will you give all this victory as a result of the 5% , is n’t it you are making politically insufficient water to a large vegetable farm. The eritrean people the civil disobedience to Dergi the murderer and the logistic support of all the sahel people and the secret war inside asmara by any day by an registered Eritrean people. what is going on in the house of cards you are building , i mean the Tigray conference team , i am certainly joking about the your thing. I give the independence war to all the Eritrean people minus the weldegeba , and nay sirnay as well as some kedaat deki hager , i can mention some but i let it pass for now. 15 years creating conference room and decorating houses in tigray that must be a hard picture to look at.

          • Semere Andom

            Selam:
            so what number do you think were those who fought from fighters to contributors 4million?

          • selam

            Dear Semere
            All the people inside and outside Eritrea minus the once i have told you .I mean we can not give the victory only to the fighters with guns. If you people think only the people with guns bring change now, i can say confidently that they will not have change. You need the whole Eritreans to believe in the people who are ringing the bell of change unless where will you ring the bell in Tigray ? Ring the bell in Tigray and live with it for the foreseeable future. You can not just say the whole sahel people where not fighting that is totally an acceptable for me and for many others .
            Convincing the majority of the Eritrean people is our job now. do not you think we need to based on our people ? if we fail to convince the eritrean people IA and the system are not working then you are bracing for more IA.

          • AOsman

            Hi Semere,

            I will go for less, say 2%, but that is not the point. The fighters would have done nothing without popular support and the logic that follows is that the opposition will get no where without popular support.

            Now you tell me, do we need to win hearts or not?

            So I do not understand why the opposition is blamed for not attracting the innately free ride crowd and opportunists. If this was the problem, we would be laughing

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            AOsman,
            First, using the term “opposition” as a blanket to refer to all, includes almost every corner of the opposition geography. Being specific would help a lot–they have names you know, God help you remembering them though 🙂 I don’t expect to see a consolidated popular support for a specific group. The popular support is as fragmented as the opposition organizations themselves. Besides, our reality is such that the support is not identical in all places, you get different reading in different geographical areas. An organization that is despised in one place is popular in another, and the opposite is true. Even our social circles are very homogenous and doesn’t give us a proper reading of who supports who. Lambasting every entity together as one is kind of disingenuous, if not outright lazy. Don’t you agree? 🙂

          • AOsman

            Selamat Saleh,

            OK you got me on my laziness to read about the detail of each grouping, but then if such detailed knowledge is required from a lay man like me, then we are doomed.

            When referring to the opposition as a unit, it is with the expectation that there should be a minimum level of performance as a whole. Some may be excelling, other failing miserably, but we should be able to judge them all on aggregate and winning hearts and minds is one important factor to consider. That was my point to Semere.

            On the social circles the level of support to various opposition entities may be different, I attribute that on PFDJ success in distancing them rather than those from the opposition who claim to represent them being able to prove as a viable alternative.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan a_osman,
            Hasha’e, I am not accusing you of laziness, it was my observation of the general debate when it comes to the opposition. Though you are not a layman, even if you want to study the names, I will do my best to dissuade you from that. It’s futile and by the time you learn twenty, half will be gone and replaced by thirty 🙂

            Here is my point: I am a member of the broad opposition camp, so are many others. As you stated, “some may be excelling, others failing.” Now you can be cruel and define the opposition by those who are failing, or generous and define it by those who are excelling. If you find any of that difficult, you can stop lambasting everybody, even if “on the aggregate (depending if you are cruel or generous)” you might be inclined to consider it failing. Against what? Time? What is the time required for right to triumph over evil? Considering the wider social complications, social alliances, and socioeconomic factors that influence failing or excelling, would you consciously undermine the toil of those who are doing their part because they failed to achieve the goal in a given (arbitrary) time frame? If you were struggling for what is right, do you give up when you get tired or you assess the abstract notion (maybe not so abstract) of right vs wrong, in a corporate manner of loss and gain, or you stick to the journey regardless? Freedom is worth struggling for, regardless of the time frame.

            I went in a tangent, but in short, don’t hurt the good elements in the opposition, who want nothing from this struggle but only giving what they have with determination. We are all frustrated, by God, I am very frustrated by the low accomplishments if any. However, I will never beat on the opposition in a destructive manner. I am sure you observe comments that heap all the anger at “the opposition” without reserving some of it for the PFDJ? How crooked can their thinking and their judgments (and notion of fairness) be? For starters, I have been advocating for qualifiers: adding “some of the opposition”, “ABC group”, “xyz group” would go a long way. Otherwise, when the opposition is wrongly attacked, I feel obliged to defend it for I see myself being attacked wrongly. BTW, check you email.

          • AOsman

            Selam Saleh,

            I agree on the qualifiers, but at times you are forced to go general to make a point or assess a situation. Imagine I say “some opposition” and X does not feel he is in the “some” and goes on with the if they had only followed me argument (limited intervention, staying clear of Ethiopia……and all other combinations that are debated). The nature of the debate at times requires us to zoom out and have birds eye and to question if the opposition as a whole is formidable enough to challenge DIA? If the answer is an affirmative YES, then the options and methods debated can make sense. Otherwise we have to question have we reached the critical mass in opposition size, support etc…as some debates tend to become redundant.

            It will good to have clear quantitative or qualitative indicator to measure performance and see which way the opposition is heading. Knowing public perception would be one factor to watch (the oft used “silent majority” would not be abused). There were some attempt to use polls here and elsewhere, but those have gone dead.

            Regards
            AOsman

            NB. I have responded to the mail

          • Saleh Johar

            a-osman,
            True, but you woukld agree with me one needs to know that he is analyzing before delving in the exercise. If any criticism sound objective, I really do not mind it. I do it myself. But when a few people who obviously know nothing (their text shouts the ignorance) about the topic make grand judgements, it raises a red flag. The next thing I see it how they will apportion the blame: will they blame the drunk driver who caused the accident, or blame the passenger on the sidewalk who was shouting and warning the passengers? I am sure you have seen blames hurled at the opposition (all of them) for not spreading red carpets so that the maytsemush can join the struggle! Or blaming them for the exchange rate of the Nakfa 🙂 Sometimes absurdity exposes where the heart lies.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi AOsman and Saleh,

            I struggle quite a bit when describing the different opposition groups we have in Eri. I have found your little discussion on how to communicate and what words to use when describing opposition groups quite useful.

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • AOsman

            Selamat Fnote,

            Talk about confusion, you are not alone, if you ask me I will not be able to list half of them. There is stage of permutation that people start to loose interest in the count, 10 is an overburden, what we have is ridiculous.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Ted

            Selam, did he discount the people who sheltered them, fed them, gave birth to them, supported them with blood and sweat. Semere is totally detached from reality. His argument to put Eritreans as by standards in the liberation struggle is dishonest. The web of disrespect and arrogance to Eritrean people with his delusional thinking, His group and TPLF can get rid of the 5% (those has stake at Independent Eritrea) and have the 95 % Eritreans who don’t mind who came to rule them( Ayeneberom ayeTefOm.) Phew, Nitricc were right all along.

          • AOsman

            Hi Semere,

            Silent majority are different from the kobor junkies. Correct

            But then you went on to say It is free rid mentality for the first and aligning with the incumbent victor/power is the second(opportunist) why lump them together.

            OK, lets assume it was 5% that did the Job. How did they manage without the popular support, if you are to underestimate the contribution by the people.

            I will go along your guess-estimate, just for fun. Let us assume after much demobilization and many EPLF fighters moving on, probably we are left with less than 2%. In the last 20 years even the 2% must have been decimated to less than 1%, PFDJ only got Dr. Mussie M to come back 🙂

            The opposition: I guess they don’t need to win hearts, but are unable to dislodge let say 0.05% or the only strong man standing. Worse, the situation is so desperate that we might have to seek Ethiopian support.

            Don’t underestimate the work needed to win hearts and minds…..

            Regards

            AOsman

  • sara

    Iran,the only country to defeat the west without going to war, congratulation iran and iranians. no amount of sanction could bend the resolve of the iranian people . i am happy to see what a proud and dignified nation could do against the cruelty of the west.wow what a day! you heard those grueling 30+ years of sanction..sanction… sanctions.. but they never gave up they stood firm all the way from 1979 till yesterday april 2/2015. that is what is called a proud nation..proud people who have dignity.

    • selam

      Sara

      what do you think the effect of sanction on any level ?

      Yes very good news yet not done because the right wing of washington are beating their drums again. I hope this deal give fruits to the hard work of the Iranian people

      • sara

        well, the effect is damaging, the iranians have suffered a lot, but at last their suffering is going to be over
        but the interesting thing is they never bowed to those who forced on them that cruel sanction, they fought
        against the sanction in unison with dignity.
        what a nation, people and leadership! they are a exemplary to all freedom loving people.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Sara
      The devil is in the details. You are getting a head of your self. It is good news that they are still working to solve the problem peacefully.

      • sara

        ato amanuel, selamat
        true, the devil is in the detail, but i was just reflecting the feeling of the average IRANIANS, who have suffered with the unjust sanction imposed on them and they have been suffering for the past 30+ years.

  • selam

    Dear guest. Gherhi /mizan

    It is not the IA that get affected by this . It is the Eritrean people. There is nothing bad than bashing and lying over and over. You want change , we have enough crime committed over our people by IA regime we do not need to lie by saying AL shabab is some how helped by IA. That is all out a lie and there is no market for such news now . You can convince the Eritrean people by facts not by making up news like weyane. Stop this lie.There is nothing that you get from beating weyane drums for so long . We should focuse in our own problem. We do not need to waste time telling the false news by forgeting the true news of our people’s suffering.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dearest Selam,
      Hi, can I ask two questions.

      01. from what I read sanction was wrong , the war of 1998 wrong from Ethiopians, etc.everything that is told about PFDJ is a lie .. so why are you against PFDJ?
      02.you keep Saying we are facing all those problems due to IA. is God there? where is justice from God to let all people suffer just by small group?

      just relax and answer to me.

      • selam

        Dear Kokhob
        1.I think IA and his system are the main reason and that i already told you long time ago so why you are going back to this issue which is i do not understand
        2. I have clearly told you that the word is God is a jock . So i choose to forget it.
        I do not believe one is there up looking at Eritreans die on the sea and let them suffer by IA .

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Selam, you and me are totally different.
          01.IA was not the reason. you must and all who want change must know IA is not supper nature. in fact here let me tell you boldly he didn’t kill a single man by his own hand (as far as I know) he even don’t know how to hold the gun. and shouldering him all responsibilities is a crime I believe. the case is more than that. it is the sum result of out thinking that has created the system. if IA was not born still we could have dictator. IA is going to blamed exactly like you and me. The only different is he is on power. in fact the killers whom I know who are crying today (the alive among them) are worst than him. the way out is as I said is installing love and accept the truth. for time being there might be a kind of war to see as PFDJ don’t know other languages but at last it is peace that will solve our problem.
          02. if you don’t believe in anything or any religion you should still know it makes sense nothing has been here without reason. How can that be? how can a child come to the world without reason. that will not make sense.

          so the suffering we see in Eritrea can’t be there without reason. I think, If the people just watch a hero killed without reason and don’t ask nature will provide them more suffering to let them wake up. hold here, don’t be angry, that is only my belief. When I face any bad situation I don’t blame anyone I just believe this is the result of my action and thinking. I make inventory of myself. I accept my failure and take it as lesson so not to face such type of situation. we are all here to learn and work for better. thank you for reading.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            Thanks for the wisdom you have but i respectfully differ and our difference is a healthy difference. I have a great respect for your understanding. Still i hold this man responsible and the system at large is well designed by him and his cronies for that i have zero illusion.

            But i will say this why Eritrea why not other places , what does it cost to find yourself on the right side of your god.

  • sara

    ato mizaan, selamat!
    two days ago i asked your help (if this Mr andom from canada has in any way contributed in the independence of eritrea, ) and am still hoping you will be kind enough to reply.
    regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Sara
      Do you mean that anyone who didn’t contribute for independence of Eritrea, can not debate to have a say in deciding the fate of his people and his nation? I don’t believe those of us who fought in liberating our country is solely for their interest. If you are one of them, it isn’t appropriate to ask such question for we didn’t do it for our own end. I am not answering whether Sem has contribute or not. I am answering for anyone your question is thrown in to this debate. That is why we are talking here “children’s politics.” Isn’t it sad to hear such abnoxious question.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Amanual,

        your advice “asfel abilka hilefo”. Lol when she ask only about Mr. S.Andom I ask my self why only she want to ask about him. what about others? the answer is clear..that is why Mr.Mizan ignore it I think.

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Amanuel
        I got a joke that goes along your comment.
        A pfdj cadre was discussing the requirements to be an eritrean. He said you have to contribute a lot of money in the struggle era to qualify to be an eritrean.
        A confused person asked , “I did not have a lot of money so I contributed what I could. What is going to happen to me?”
        The cadre replied, ” no problem at all . We refund your money and you remain an ethiopian.”

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Abi,

          You are rich in “proverbial phrases”. No body will match you in that category. I have no doubt we are delighted to have you in this forum. Back to your joke: Actually they are telling us if we don’t think like them we are not Eritreans. That in itself tell us something about them. Intrinsically,your jokes befitted to their nature.

          regards,

          • selam

            Dear Ema

            You are delighted to be referred by Ethiopian as the true Eritrean and that will put you where. No one questioned your Eritreanism but your attitudes to ward the Eritrean problem and solutions is quite out side the venue of the Eritreans. That should not give people like me to say to you , you are less Eritrean . But i will say to Abi he is Ethiopian and he has no business to talk about Eritreans i guess . Here is your fallacy is made of .

            Had the Nazis not invaded Europe, Auschwitz and the Holocaust would not have happened. Had the United States and its satellites not initiated their war of aggression in Iraq in 2003, almost a million people would be alive today; and Islamic State, or ISIS, would not have us in thrall to its savagery. They are the progeny of modern fascism, weaned by the bombs, bloodbaths and lies that are the surreal theatre known as news.But for you , yes you Ema USA job in Irag , libya will sound reasonable and if you disagree please i would love to refer you to a PST specialist

            Like the fascism of the 1930s and 1940s, big lies are delivered with the precision of a metronome: thanks to an omnipresent, repetitive media and its virulent censorship by omission. Take the catastrophe in Libya.

            In 2011, Nato launched 9,700 “strike sorties” against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that “most [of the children killed] were under the age of ten”. now you have it no one is reporting the real tragedy of libia on your screen because you happens to be following CNN , BBC by omitting Aljazeera arbic , you knwo why you do not want to see aljazeera arabic ? the reason is you do not want tosee the result of blood shed. That is a nightmare for you and your families to see especially at the time of this time holiday time.

            The public sodomising of the Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi with a “rebel” bayonet was greeted by the then US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, with the words: “We came, we saw, he died.” His murder, like the destruction of his country, was justified with a familiar big lie; he was planning “genocide” against his own people. “We knew… that if we waited one more day,” said President Obama, “Benghazi, a city the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.” so where do you put yourself in the Ethiopian government help me and i will do ‘this’ group ?

            This was the fabrication of Islamist militias facing defeat by Libyan government forces. They told Reuters there would be “a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda”. Reported on March 14, 2011, the lie provided the first spark for Nato’s inferno, described by David Cameron as a “humanitarian intervention”. what will you say on your last time of frustration time . yes you Amnuel an Eritrean fighter (EPLF, ELF choose any one if you where one ) who lost his compass after 1993. Now have you created your salon and decorated it with dreams of the Ethiopian soldiers who will die for you or with a military hardware which will be given to a poor and uneducated Eritreans. GO for it

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Selamina
            Had the PFDJ not invaded Eritrea, thousdad of Eritreans would not be vicitims of its jails would make your list complete

          • selam

            Dear Semere .A
            I would not dare to inuslt you like what you refer to me as (sdinet)
            First i am not defending the libiyan dictator but i am telling the true record of the western action in libiya , by saying that my post never ever show any support for GHADAFI. You are refusing the killing of the Iraqi people’s death , i can not imagine you are human and feel sorrow about IA action to Eritreans. I am human being and i feel terrible about the lose of my brothers and sisters of the Iraqi people , i feel sad and hopeless about their lose because i was able to do nothing to help save their life. Which one from the post is false please challenge me ? tell me which sentence is not right ?

            About IA action i hope i have the ability to release them from prison but i will never ever try to add petrol to a burning sgas station either . Lets debate on points and let Ema reply as i specifically wrote to him. If we , i mean you and you are ok to use a silky smooth english to insult each other i hope i am up to the challenge to pin point your character with a very nice english short and precise.

      • sara

        ato Hidrat,
        you are being humil and that is nice of you and am sure many appreciate it, but how could we say those who paid dearly and those who didn’t are same, yes they did what they did for the sake of eritrea, but in no way we could say their contribution is the same,imagine those who lost their lives
        limbs,and time,opportunities,families etc.
        as for “childrens politics” i will refrain from commenting/replying in kind,simply because of the reasons i mentioned above.
        with respect.

    • Semere Andom

      Ato Sara:
      Why are you asking Mizaan, ato Semere answered your shallow question

    • Nitricc

      Hi Sara; Semere and contribution and Eritrea won’t go together. but give him credit, he knows people who fight for Eritrea and he was debating about Eritrean independence. so, in short, when the braves were answering the call of duty; Semere run away to Canada. if that is not bad enough; now he emboldening the enemies of Eritrea; TPLF to invade Eritrea and he is calling TPLF to keep Badime. so, his contribution is calling for war and aiding the enemy. here you have it. straight up.

      • Semere Andom

        Selam Nitricc:
        I asked you and because you cannot handle it, you did not answer. How come you did not contribute to Eritrea or tell us your contribution. and I even went further and asked you, why did your dad and mom run away? If you are not willing to answer that, please leave me out of your idiocy.
        Again like Ted, who lied but now softened his words, do not lie or please show evidence that I said, TPLF should invade Eritrea
        Also while you are at it, please tell me why are you being enslaved by USA now, you are old enough to go volunteer in Sawa for a few months instead of asking the young to die for you.

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  • I watched a talk on Ted by a Kenyan, who said how he changed from a
    “smart coward” to a “fearless activist”. It came to my mind that citizen under
    dictatorship do indeed become smart cowards (survivors), until that day of
    reckoning, when they suddenly become roaring lions. Nothing can then stop them, not guns, not boots and not any level of intimidations. That is the day dictators are proven that they are indeed fake and wretched creatures.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/boniface_mwangi_boniface_mwangi_the_day_i_stood_up_alone

    • Dear Moderator,
      The post was not directed to somebody particular as such. I should have directed it to all Awatistas. Sorry, my mistake.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Mizaan:
    And how did the Somalis people just like us, smart, spiritual, their religion does nto teach them terrorism, resilient, loving ended up in this. Terrorism is not innate to a society, it is deliberate process by dictators to elongate their rule. We have the tell-tale signs of a failed state because PFDJ represses , divides and sows he seeds of terrorism. And a failed state is a fertile earth for terrorism,

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Semere,

      “And a failed state is a fertile earth for terrorism,” Fertile ended. it seems some are trapped thinking Ethiopia will take back Eritrea more than Eritrea is going down to stage of failed state to become the home of terrorism (which is already to some level).

  • Dear Araya,
    It is unfortunate when you say “…If the Tigryans are allowed to loot and abuse Ethiopia; why not me?”
    You forget the simple fact that Tigrayans are Ethiopians and you are not; at best, you are a guest. I am not saying that Tigrayans or any other ethnic group has the right to loot Ethiopia. Ethiopia gave your parents citizenship and everything else she could give to any other Ethiopian, and you hate her for that. Unfortunately, you are not alone in this. You say you love Eritrea and yet you do not want to set foot there, nor would you transfer your parents to Eritrea; and in this too you are not alone. You call Ethiopian kindness foolishness, and the maturity of our people naivety. Here too, you have many friends who share the same logic with you. When are you, and people who behave in the same way as you, are going to
    change? I think that unless this toxic generation passes, Ethiopians and Eritreans would never be able to live side by side in peace.

  • Saleh Johar

    Merhaba Abba Teweldeberhan,
    Thanks for the nice words, I thank God for everything but I think people like you who spread positivity and compassion. Your words means a lit to me. God bless you for the sake of our people.

  • Merhaba Abba Teweldeberhan,
    Thanks for the nice words, I thank God for everything but I think people like you who spread positivity and compassion. Your words means a lit to me. God bless you for the sake of our people.

  • Hayat Adem

    Courtesy of Araya:
    “And the truth If the Tigryans are allowed to loot and abuse Ethiopia; why not me?”

    1) So your interest in Ethiopia is to abuse?
    2) Do you feel Ethiopia belongs to you in the same way it belongs to the Tigreans?

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Selam
    there are loonies at the helm who drive the war and the crowd will follow, that is the problem and as long as the loonies call the shots undetered , wars start and that is what I am saying

    • selam

      Dear Semere
      If you believe there are loonies i guess it is every once responsibility to tell them that war will change nothing. You know PFDJ will survive and that is the fact semere , I know it you know it.
      There is nothing war can change unless the Eritreans people support the dismantling of the current system .War will put Eritrean and especially also the tigray people evenhandedly trash each other.
      What you will find at the end is TPLF and PPFDJ hang on their chairs. How does such scenario make me sleep any way.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Selam:
        Are you the same one who was writing from Asmara?

        • Hayat Adem

          Semere,
          I was going to ask! If so, the Awate University is doing a miracle.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            Miracle on who? It has not worked on dawit and Nitricc

          • Hayat Adem

            Semere,
            I have a new quote for you: “And the truth If the Tigryans are allowed to loot and abuse Ethiopia; why not me?”

          • Abi

            Dear Hayat
            I have a better one .
            ” it takes a genius to milk 90,000,000 cows”
            Ted, the wise man.

          • Ted

            Abi, Tirseh lay yezihatal. Aye yegondere neger.
            It was appropriate response for your accusation Eritreans were milking Ethiopia like a cow before deportation. “chigraf si baela harima TeEwey)meaning jiraf eso meteta TiChohalech.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            What you have said is what you have done till 1998. ” ethiopia yegarachin, eritrea yegilachin ” You see Ted , that is why I always say 1998 is our independence year for obvious reasons. You were too drunk of too much milk , you tried to eat the cow. The cow reacted and kicked your sorry behind once and for all . Her calves came to stampede over you. Brave calves!
            ” Embuwa bey lamitu,
            Korma weladitu ”
            Ted, your buddy Araya, whose parents live in the ” cow country” is arguing that it is his right to loot ethiopia.
            Hahahaha. “Wedew aysqu ” alu gra bigebachew.

          • Ted

            Abi, I thought you liked your Eritrean acquaintances in Ethiopia. How all the sudden you felt liberated after we left. Our beef is with TPLF( korma), stand back, deme EndayreChihe;)

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            That is a good one . A little correction if you don’t mind . If it is korma it is not beef it is called veal.

          • Ted

            Abi, beef i mean to have a grudge. Speaking of “Choma siga”, We had unspoken deal with Ethiopians in a good old days that as long as we don’t eat Terie siga, they would be cool with us. We kept our promises, we stayed away from their QurT ena Tejie bEte” but now you are talking about milk( not part of the deal). Still, our beef is with your Korma, tesaseto yemiasasit AyesTih.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            Really? You think I don’t know what beef means?
            It is good to know you don’t have a beef with the beef. I don’t want you to mix beef with milk either. It’s not kosher.
            I like yeArada lij specially from qera who knows a lot about beef.
            Your problem is the korma has beefed up its defense to protect the beef and the milk. The buffer zone is stronger than before.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Semere Andom,
          .
          Have you seen a 1957 movie called “The three faces of Eve”. Me thinks there are two faces of selam. There is a distinct difference in the presentation and personality. However, selam, could put it all to rest by saying there is no CHIGER with selam of Asmara.
          .
          K.H

          • selam

            Hi Semere ans Kim

            Both of you from different back ground entitled to say what ever you want . Yes i know that. But can we draw a picture that shows the true color of semere beside you ? How does it feel , I am perfectly clear that the Indian

            There are many different kinds of warriors and fighters out there, but know which basic one you are most in tune with. Questions of “what your preferable weapon is” to your “favored living conditions” will determine your results, which range from a Roman, to an Assassin, to a Rogue. Can you both choose which one will it be better for you ? Think about it .

            I said this before and i will present both of you again the same question.
            You have a cup placed on a table. You are pointing towards the North and the cup is facing towards the South. On which side is the cup’s handle?

            You both come up with one answer or call me any names any thing you want

          • Semere Andom

            Selam:
            I just asked you if you are the same Selam and I liked you comment and voted you, what is wrong?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            East, if I am wrong I want a complete explanation. If I am right the same thing.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear K.hanna
            That shows how bad your understanding is , do not you think you need to stay calm and answer the ferari and the two force indian drivers ?

  • Semere Andom

    How About If War Is Ignited Again?

    Almost all wars are waged for the vanity of the leaders and the herd follows. The firs wins and receives accolades for its leadership or in the worst case scenario they get humiliated. But the later, the herd gets slaughtered mercilessly. The second world ware probably unavoidable and I believe that the world now with all its cruelty is a better place than it would have been if the Nazis and Fascist had won. It legacy still looms as 6 million of our fellow humans were charred in ovens.

    The 1998 war between two destitute people was also waged for vanity as both leaders spoke in the language that they both are eloquent as our poet says. Since the leaders do not like to change their vanity and since the herd is always a herd willing to be slaughtered provided that it gets its continued fix—empty praises, one can safely assume that Eritrea under PFDJ can ignite the war again. And still the willing to be slaughtered crowd will be herded and will start to recruit people to be slaughtered along with them. History will rhyme and repeat itself as it has been said. The war can be ignited in different scenarios and it is not going to start because Ethiopia would heed the calls of invasion as it has mendacioly, maliciously has been perpetuated by PFDJ supports, but it is conceivable that it can be ignited when PFDJ to make up for its inadequacy of facing Ethiopia it will bolster TPDM and other armed Ethiopian opposition, give them enough life to destabilize Ethiopia, a country that humiliated PFDJ in the last war there by bruising the ego of its leader, DIA. Ethiopia would had enough and start bombing and attacking Eritrean sovereign territories and like that “kem wasza” the war is ignited and again PFDJ will be humiliated and the herd of pigs slaughtered and then if PFDJ survives like it did before, it will give the slaughtered herd sexy name: it will call them they were martyred.

    These scenario will be devastating to my country and if you are wondering, my country is Eritrea, I did not choose it, but it chose me. It has no government now, it has no united opposition, and the hodge-podge assorted groups are talking past each other, oblivious to the dangers that their dithering to be united is exposing the nation. Under this scenario even the sovereignty of the mountains, rivers, and arid land will be history and the we can do it again because we did it before will not save the country.

    Contrary to the lies of PFDJ supporters Eritrea lost the war and its effects are manifesting everyday 15 years after the war ended. Eritrea lost militarily, diplomatically and then as if the people were designing the war, PFDJ took its anger on the people.

    So the question today is, if war was to start today, do you think the people will coalesce around PFDJ to be slaughtered or watch as PFDJ is punished by Ethiopia to its eternal repose. Would they protect and feel for their captors, proving the Stockroom Syndrome or will they unshackle themselves?

    • selam

      Dear Semere
      At least you should understand the great work of saleh and its mission.
      First i hope there will be no war or what so ever and i guess you have sense it the wind is changing from war to building . Second we Eritreans does not lose the war even if the war was just non sense . Third if in any case war broke between the weyane plus people from … and the whole Eritrea the result will be as always the same which is the lose of human beings , distraction of the economy on both sides. Yet the sea will remain at the hands of the Eritrean people that i can say it to you and people like you confidently. Weyane and their war mongering cadres and some people who lost hope on the Eritrean people will always wish to see a bloodshed. So no surprise over such ugly people.What we should say to some people who have the message of war is that please refer to past histories. I mean it is quite long time from 1961 to now. The animosity they have to our land and our people is quite the same but i wish they change they attitudes. Time has changed so does the dust.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Selam:
        I am not sure what you mean by “t least you should understand the great work of saleh and its mission”

        I called Saleh the prince of Eritrean poetry
        Also please do not repeat like a robot the phrase, ” people who lost hope”. I consider myself someone who undertsands the reality as opposed to those who are in a bubble There is no winner in war, there is only a victor and Eritrea under PFDj will not be the victor if war breaks again.

        • selam

          Dear Semere

          What i mean about its mission is that under such article it was baffling for me to find your post wishing war . The poem is not on such level ,this person i mean saleh wrote this long time ago and you can see how few people like him stand on the no war zone ,very Very few in fact i know no one who said no to war. Every one was saying give me more war. So i did not expected you to write comment as such of yours on the top.

          About the hopless , well that is the true nature of some one even considering war between the two people. Even we Eritreans lost some thing like 2000 and more people on the sea, war is by far ugly. By the way how low do i need to go to say to my fellow Eritreans as pigs.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Selam: I love the poem and I think my comment befits this section as wars are not started by people, but the vain leaders. Vanity is their common language said Saleh, then false praising, brain-washing makes the people to follow like a herd, if there is no critical thinking. And specially when like in our case even the learned intelectuals, and singers (read wattot) and accomplished artist sing and cheer the war. At the end lack of thinking, free thinking the people become victims

          • Nitricc

            Selam-Selam; what do you expect from a person who declares Ethiopia should keep Badime and TPLF should invade Eritrea. Why are you surprised if he declared his wish for war? I bet you he never fired a bullet in his life. Those kinds of people are usually call for a war and distraction. They are to coward to experience and have feel for it.
            Nothing should surprise us things to be said by the hopeless people. They lost hope!
            If you lost hope; what is there to live for? Nothing!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Nitricc:
            there is a lie in your comments and that makes the whole comment not true and you a liar. We went through this so do not lie

    • Nitricc

      Dear Semere: I knew you had it in you and I knew one day you will arrive and show us your breaking through moments with article like this one. AT; I demand this article to be saved and revered by all humans and for the sake of humanity. Wow! You talk about bright with dazzling brilliance. I am Speechless!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      I’m utterly disgusted for your representation of the most precious lives as “herd of pigs. ” Semere, soldiers act, they have no room for deliberations. Soldiers on both sides of the divide did what soldiers do. If you mean the society as a whole, specify it that way. It is unbelievable you are telling us our martyrs were a herd of pigs. it’s just unbelievable. The ignition of war is more likely to take place where there is no political space for citizens to leash their leader’s urge to fire off shots. War can start anytime as long as the above provision stands. I think it is essential if we ask ourselves what we’re doing to make war history instead of entertaining self-serving “I told you so. ”

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mahmud:
        I am talking about people and society in general not soldiers. No matter what soldier, if someone is attacking them they will shot back to defend themselves and their friends. Maybe I did not specify it, but I was talking those who cheer the war like herd from behind and at the end they all get slaughtered, because you have sisters, brothers and loved ones there. Tell me if we all were not slaughter by the 1998 war even after the war stopped?

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Mahmuday,
        How is it you would be irritated if the soldiers are called herds of pigs, and you are okay if the society as a whole is called that same name? Do you sympathize with the soldiers more than you do with the society? I thought the soldiers are there for the safety of the society not the other way.
        You are also wrong on your other point, yes, soldiers are not merely fire machines. They can make sensible political calls or interventions. I’ll give you a hypothetical example: if the Eritrean commanders in 1998 decided not to go to war with Ethiopia and the rank and file supported them and defied from invading Badime or escalating the war and warned IA to solve it by negotiating or else they would look for other alternatives and IA got the message and changed his mind and avoided the last war, wouldn’t that have been a better situation?
        Or let me remind you what Elsi Si of Egypt did two years ago. He was a soldier then. He warned Mursi to answer for the Tahrir protesters or else he would move in and remove Morsi. Morsi defied, Elsi Si prevailed.
        During the infamous Vietnam war, there were many higher and middle US field commanders who were on duty but still remained opposed of the mission. Sec. Kerry was a colonel commander in Vietnam at the time and yet he was a strong vocal voice on the opposing side. One time, he was called by a congressional committee to give his testimony in a hearing. The average mood in that hearing was that a mistake was already done but the war has to be won at all costs no matter what. Then, Kerry delivered unforgettable line: “how do you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake?”
        hayat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hi Hayat

          “How is it you would be irritated if the soldiers are called herds of pigs, and you are okay if the society as a whole is called that same name? Do you sympathize with the soldiers more than you do with the society? I thought the soldiers are there for the safety of the society not the other way.”
          My reply to Semere was short because I was in the middle of doing something that demanded complete attention, so I didn’t expound on it and I frankly thought it was self-explanatory.
          Society, assuming we are talking about an open society, has guarantees in its constitution for its citizens to express themselves for or against what their political leaders do or don’t. Even crude democratic tendencies like the one we observe in Ethiopia, allows some degree of openness for citizens to discuss, and/or influence their leaders. Other similar fledgling “democracies”, like the one that had existed under Mubarak Egypt allowed intelligentsia to debate matters in secluded clubs, the market, in mass media and colleges to some degree. That combined with modern means of communications, like FB, resulted in the gathering of momentum.
          Once

    • Ted

      Semere,. Your are pissed off at TPLF for not invading Eritrea, you are mad at Eritreans for not to giving a crap about your vision, you are mad at PFDJ for killing Eritreans, you are mad at TPLF skeptics, you are made at fragmented opposition, you are mad at toothless yourself. Irregardless of your contempt for Eritrean people and disrespect for martyred and wounded, it is beyond me how people mistaken you for what you stand for. Your vindictive head left out the fortitude, resilience, and patient of Eritrean people, that is where you went all wrong.

      • Semere Andom

        Ted:
        Do not lie!!! Go argue inteligently as Mahmud did my points, but do not lie

        • Ted

          Semere, last time you accused me of lying, i presented with the fact you approved the bombing of Bisha for one reason or another. You didn’t respond. This is not meant for you per se but for those who think you are misunderstood because of temporary insanity in the heat of argument. I beg to differ that you know exactly what you are saying. Your vindictive attitude don’t care if Eritrea turn in to ashes as long as IA is dealt with. FYI, Awate university is organised so as to help you go back and check what you have said, a remedy for your selective memory.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            you did present fact, you quoted Tes, who was also lying. there is correct things in your last comment but because there is a lie, it makes the whole comment a lie and you a liar.Find it and remove it and I i will stop calling you a liar or do as Mahmud did and Selam is doing, disagreeing and actually offering alternative

          • Ted

            Semere, it got to be ” mad at toothless yourself” since you haven’t said it out right, yet. So you mean to tell me that the man who approves the invasion of TPLF for a greater good of Eritrea and Ethiopia is appalled BISHA was bombed. They did what they have to do, was’t that your position? Please do clarify.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ted;
            we do not have to do this again and again.
            You need to prove that I said Ethiopia should invade Eritrea to remove PFDJ You are the accuse and need to prove that I said that. Otherwise you will remain a liar many times over. Cut and paste my quote here for all to see.
            You said Sem Andom said that Ethiopia should invade Eritrea. I want you to provide that line, my comments are open.
            I do not know Bisha was bombed and I did not reported that it was bombed. If you are dyslxic. Say it

          • Ted

            Semere, it is some of excerpts to summarize( you) the opposition saying we should be consulted with Ethiopian attack . “Libya can happen if Ethiopia goes alone without organized opposition that can take such incursion a notch up.
            it is not our pride now, it is about survival, PFDJ does no represent our pride nor our sovereignty”

            KH,tes and me understood what exactly you were saying and responded accordingly.
            Your problem is you don’t know what you want, just distroy IA by any means necessary.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ted:
            You doing better, but still you have not provided the line that says “Ethiopia must invade Eritrea”, short of that you are a liar in every honest human being’s books. Take your time to get that line and when you present that I will withdraw it and apologize to you for calling you liar. And as insentive for crossing the chasm from falsehood, I will give you a hint: “the heavy lifting and vision and future design must be owned by Eritreans”

          • Ted

            Semere, People understand canadian English too, you justified the attack except the opposition was not consulted before hand.Snake oil salesmen who want sell me TPLF as my savior calling me a liar?, i can’t get my head wrap around it. You think the empty phrase”heavy lifting” let you hood wink Eritreans, think again. It is funny(not haha) how your head works to think the toothless opportunists in MeQelle can design and negotiate Eritrean future on our behalf.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            So my heavy lifting… is empty and the reset is full. Again, I hate to use it and I hope no one uses the world liar here, but I have not choice because you know I never said that Ethiopia should invade Eritrea but you have no integrity to admit that you perceived it that why and ask for elaboration or ask point blank if I meant our right invasion. What is the point of united opposition if I advocate for invasion.

          • Ted

            Semere, For whatever help you asking TPLF, you can’t afford them,may be you can, but Eritreans cant.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ted:
            That is decent argument worthy of debate. First get the integrity to say that I, Sem Andom never said, Ethiopia should invade Eritrea.”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sem,

            He is doing to aggravate you, nothing else. If you hadn’t known him so far, refusing to answer your question is more than enough. Avoid him, and he isn’t worthy to debate with him.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abel

            Dear Ted,
            It is getting boring here.He is asking you a simple question, you either put up or shut up.

      • Peace!

        Dear Ted,

        See Ted some times you need a dictator when you have people don’t know what to do with freedom and their time.

        Regards

        • Ted

          Peace, i hope you are not implying Eritreans don’t know what to do with their freedom and time.

          • Nitricc

            HI Ted
            Peace is talking about Semere’s Absurdity. Obviously Semere got time so much so to write such garbage article. The saddest part is none of what he is saying is his idea. None of it but YG!

          • Ted

            Peace, Nitricc. Semere need to realize nothing can happen with out the willing participation of Eritrean people. unfortunately he has no faith on us, but Ethiopia.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            No. That was directed to the oppositions in particular to those who are writing an outregeouse comments that they are determined to erase our history and make the country a junior partner of EPRDF.

            Regards

    • Araya

      Selamat Semere: don’t you think there is a better way to get some attention and appease your masters in Mekele other than saying stupid things that will undermine your character and reputation? Every time I read your post; there is outlandish comments from you. If it is not enough the butt kissing of your role model, Hayat, now you went all out to trash the Eritrean people. I take, you must have nothing your hat to hang-on. Your weakness and inanity in your life is in full display.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Araya,
        The reason I’m always tempted to come to you uninvited is because you are my favorite character. I can’t help it but I enjoy every bit of in the very artistic sense. Yes there is a better and a tested way of getting attention and that is how you are getting my attention. You host you parents in Ethiopia and you go for a vacation every summer while you curse and insult them every minute including in all the very minutes they host you. You curse them for a rain at the Addis airport on your arrival day. You curse them for asking you to pay in hard currency for a service. You curse them for not favoring you over the Ethiopian Somalis who were not asked to pay in dollars. “Mean people, they think Somalis are closer to them than us” was what you said reporting your complained in Sodere. You keep on going anyway. You keep on cursing them any way. Honestly, what kind of person are you in the moral sense of it? Where do you get the very sense of coming and commenting and questioning other people like that, I mean being you. But I still enjoy you and thank you for activating my artistic curiosity every time I see your feeds here. Because normally your moral composure should have dictated you to speak low, slow and little. If that was case, you would be a normal person. But you are not normal. Hence the basic deviation. In my view, you represent the abnormality of PFDJ. There is something that is unexplained and unexplainable. And you are a fitting symbol.
        Hayat

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear ሓያት :

          እውነተኛ ፍጻሜ ነው : በባህር ዳር ከተማ ኣፄ ሠርፀ ድንግል መልስተኛ ና 2ተኛ ደረጃ ትምህርት ቤት ተማሪውና ወላጆች ተሰብስበዋል :: ይህ ኢሓፓውችን የማጋለጥና መግለጫ ለመስጠት በምኤሶን የተቀናበረ ሰብሰባ ነበር : ስብሰባውን ሊያበቃ ኣከባቢ ኣንድ ጥላሁን ታደሰ የሚባሉ ኣባት ሃሳባቸውን ሲገልጹ ቆዮና በማሃል ላይ “እኛ ኢትዮያውያኖች መስራትና መተባበር ይኖርባናል እስኪ እነዚህን ትግሬዎች ተመልከቱ ካገራቸው ወጥተው ባገራችን ሌት ተቀን እየሰሩ የት ደርሱ ?”
          ያ የተማሪ መንጋ ( እሓፓውም የደርጉ ተከታይም ) ወላጆችም ባንድ ላይ ሳቀ : ገና ግን ሰውየው “እንዴ እውነቴን እኮ ነው ” ይላሉ ማጨብጨብ ሲቀጥል ሞቅ ኣላቸው :: በቀጣዩ ቀን (በማግስቱ ) “ልጄ ተሳስቸ ነበር እንዴ ?” ብለው ይጠይቁኛል :: ኣረ ልክ ነበሩ ህዝቡ ገና ስላማያውቅ ነው ኮ ! ግን ትግሬ ሲሉ የትግራዩን ነው የኤርትራውን ስላቸው “ምኑን ኣውቄ ኣምበጣ የሚበላው የትኛው ነው” ብለውኝ ኣረፉት;:

          ይህን የሰማ የትግራዩ ጓደኛየ—
          “ኣይ እውነታቸውን ነው ኣሁን ጅብ ጋላቢውን ኣማራ ለይቶ ማወቅ ያስቸግር የለ ! ”

          በርግጥ መጥፎ ዘመን ነበር ሰዎች “እኛ የተሻልን ህዝብ ነን ” የሚለው ስሜት ኣንሰራቶ ነበር:: ይህ ዛሬ ብዙም የለም: ነገሮች ተቀያይረዋል – ጠፍተው ና ተደብቀው የነበሩ የህብረተሰብ ክፍሎች ብቅ በለዋል ::

    • Malkai

      Dear Semere,

      You presented very well the sad state of affairs that we find ourselves in. I agree with pretty much everything you said although I really doubt that this will happen again: “one can safely assume that Eritrea under PFDJ can ignite the war again.”

      I think PFDJ knows full well that it is not of any significance in Eritrea nor in the region because it has been decimated militarily and diplomatically. Nobody would side on the side of the regime of Isaias Afewerki. Contrary to your analysis that enough Eritreans would be fooled again to be slaughtered, the majority of Eritreans are making their statements opposing the PFDJ by simply leaving the country in droves. So very few would stand and fight if PFDJ were to ignite another war with Ethiopia. There is nothing in it for us any longer. Anything we can’t find in Eritrea, be it safety, prosperity, peace, or justice, we will find it elsewhere but kidmi ziagere hiwetu kehilif zideli seb lomi yellen. That is why you see people just fleeing in the thousands per day. Being fully cognizant of this fact, I would be dumbfounded if PFDJ ignites a war AGAIN. But nothing is impossible with Isaias Afewerki and his blind followers and the now so called reformers because they live in a world where the reference frame is way off the mark.

      Regards,

      Malkai

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Makai,
        the man just ask question which is valid and important. he is discussing to find out and there was nothing wrong on that. unfortunately most don’t answer the way you do it. there is a big problem in here, it is boring people keep recycling PFDJ’s nonsense words instead of trying to answer and plan to do something. they are at war already with every word they hear. This is one of PFDJ’s bacteria distributed which makes some people not to think properly. thank you my friend.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Ustaz Saleh
    After I got busted for my April the fool prank early in the morning, I am ending my day with your beautiful poem. Even though its English translation is also poetic, like other similar translations, nothing is like the original. It’s simply beautiful, the composition (the reader, the mellow music and accompanying background sounds that kept under the rhythmic pace of the reader), just amazing. I second selam and others, just encouraging you to bribe us every now and then with similar courtesy, and we will behave in the forum like adults . Deal.

    • Mahmuday,
      I will bribe you to the brim, just keep your cool and go easy on the helpless and people 🙂

  • selam

    Dear Readers

    I do not know how to explain but to these who does not understand arabic , i want to tell you that the poem is far sweet and make you cry than in the English version , i have no idea why do i feel that way. But i just feel that way.I read and listen to the great peom writer Muhammed Almagut and others . i feel that poem is given only to Arabic language but sorry to my ignorance. Still i am the least to write a peom.

    Drea Mr. Saleh , 2nd appeal
    If in any case you have such hidden treasures , i mean hidden from people like me, Please let us take some from what you have please. It would be a great gift for me and it means too much . Look at me i am wasting time just to keep up with sentences that does not benefit me ( i mean by reading other comments and also some times articles). Again forgive me for being Mr.Abebe Bakela or Oliver ( Oliver ziyada megbi hatete) by now you already know my greediness.

    • Saleh Johar

      selam,
      Okay, I yield to your request. I will try my best to make the next one in youtube…

      • Saleh Johar

        selam,
        Here it is just for you, please do think of the moderators who do not appreciate high maintenance members 🙂

        Here is the Arabic link: http://awate.com/?p=102431

        • selam

          عزيزي، السيد صالح

          الشكر من كل قلبي.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Selam
            Kem qelb ledeyeki ya anisa 😉

  • Abi

    Ato Saleh
    “Ewnetun tenagro yemeshebet mader ”
    Amlak leAgerwo yabqawo.

  • Hayat Adem

    In any thing one does and anything one says and anything one thinks, the supreme power has never been from calculating well but from simplicity. Did you see unnecessary war blanketing the two peoples? Did you decry it with the loudest and most certain language then as you saw it coming? Simplicity is saying is wrong is wrong, right is right all the time and when it matters. There were people, very few people, who did just that. The above poem testifies to such rare strength of character of few people. Thank you Abu Saleh for this beautiful poem and for the piece of truth it stands for to always remind us.
    Now there is always a parallel story to this. A parallel Saleh! Characters have been tested and as in any tough test, many don’t shine the long shine. They fell for the flashy false glitters. They calculated that the fire would burn more the other house than this house and instead of saying no fire, they let it burn. After the fire and the smokes were all gone, they noticed more ashes here than there. They still toil in vanity to explain that when the simplest explanation would have been saying what they said for the less proximate events in Libya and how they were wrong about them. They still say, “But my country was at war and I had to support the war”. Did they really support their country? Did they see where it is now as a direct consequence of their support?
    Hayat

    • Saleh Johar

      Thanks for the nice words Hayat,

      Still water is bad water. Human beings evolve, interact with each other in different times, they are influenced by people and circumstance and at the same time they influence others. It is good to evolve, it’s natural. But most of the times, people should not be judged by their positions or characters of the past. We all know of thieves who become priests and priests who become thieves. One change is good the other is bad and the spectrum is so wide, not simple black or white . Still, people do change. I prefer people who change to people who don’t. Take Isaias for example, he doesn’t have neither the decency nor the brains to change, Nkhid Tray. In politics, (if we consider the current struggle political) people shift positions as they see fit in a given time. There are life changing experiences that people go through and they revise their position. Other make an assessment and for different reasons they change course. Still others do similar assessment and conclude they should stay the course. It’s complex and you can’t explain it adequately and conclusively and pass judgment. I can live with that. To me it simply means one has to change tactics but stay firm on the strategy. What I cannot tolerate is people who were vulgar and narcissistic a decade ago, who are still vulgar and narcissistic today—and that, when they are older and supposed to be calmer, humbler, and wiser.

      I stayed the course because I don’t see anything that warrants change. That, judged from a pragmatic (maybe selfish) perspective can be considered stupidity–and I have close relatives who insinuate that. I consider it sticking to principles and judging events and developments based on the yardstick of human definition of principles. Simply put, not based on loss/gain, but based on right/wrong. To maintain that, you just need the help of God, no one else.

      I think I am saying nothing, I better stop before it becomes a boring rhetorical 🙂

      • Hayat Adem

        Than you Sir,
        I think you are saying something and I think I get it and I think I agree. People evolve but I’m also wary of tendencies to regress.
        hayat

      • Kokhob Selam

        No, SGL it is was not boring. I wish to hear more on that subject. “change” and the the tactics and strategy thing were interesting.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Abu Saleh,

    “The elite has a language. Its name is Vanity.They unite for it and split over it.And a distant echo of a question, When will the pitch darkness be over?When will the sun visit us,With its warm rays.” You penned this poem in 1999. Fifteen years later, there isn’t even light at the end of the tunnel. Fifteen years later, the Eritrean politics remains unchanged in character and manner of engagement. The nation we create to unite us become the source to our endless division, persisting in a perpetual cacophony. Our elites who are supposed to cater a safe political engagement, became the symbol of our ugly political echo chamber. The sun that visited us to shine on us, downed after a short lived exposure therapy, without allowing the needed healing process. As a result the distant echo of our questions will remain unheeded until we device a structured civil engagement that necessitate all of us to lend our ears and listen each other. Then only then, the new tide of peaceful era and the hiding sun behind the horizon will bring the dim lights of hope to end our misery.

    Abu Saleh thank you for sharing.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Saleh (our Ahmed Shawqi)
    I am not kidding,
    Is it possible to post the Arabic version? You share such gems more. what else do you have in your files?

    • guest

      I like the name u gave him..how about we call his works ” Jowhariyyat” علي وزن ” شوقيات”

      • guest

        Merhaba moderator.. i will. Inshaallah. I didnt know it was a must.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Semere, what I have in my files, in pre computer hand written pieces, and in disks since the Internet arrived–I don’t know. I have some in floppy discks–you remember those 3.5s?

      But Shewqi is way over my head, I don’t want to believe even a small portion of it–mine is just echoes from withing. But I will share some every once in a while…Allah La Yesameh PFDJ, they made pushed people into this struggle when we could enjoy life like normal people…

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Saleh:Allah la Yesamih al-mujrmun,mehma tala azemen
        Yea, we would be reading and writing poems instead.
        I am going to pull Selam on you, is it possible to post the Arabic version in the Arabic section of Awate?

  • selam

    would it be possible for you to down load it using pictures on You Tube i assume you can use more perfect pictures. I am greedy sorry for that.

    • Saleh Johar

      selam, you want me to put stolen images from the internet, from a collection that are of poor quality and are useda million time? Quality my friend, if I get picture that I shot myself, or have shot as per my taste, I might do it. Maybe I can be enticed if you get me original cideo clips from Eritrea–I promise I will be ten times inspired 🙂 Thank you for being greedy–it is allowed in arts.

  • Kokhob Selam

    I am wondering what will come next from the mind that came the poem. I can’t wait to see the article.

  • guest

    “…..people were waving flags and enjoying the gruesome scenes beamed from the battlefield. Many Diaspora Eritreans and Ethiopians screamed more, more ! When the governments tallied the numbers, our balance sheet showed tens of thousands killed, hundreds of thousands….” only to add, كما تكونوا يولي عليكم. ( ididnt say its hadeeth..just sayings). We have succeeded in creating vampires out of our people, same like esayas and his warlords. Same vampires are now beating war drums, disseminating false rumors, to ignite the cord tied to the dynamites, as they get thrilled and excited to see more blood flowing to satisfy the dracula inside them; working hard to summon our warsays into another roynd of holy war to liberate our ” Badime Al- Muqaddasah” from the ” stains of amharas and tegarrus” even if we have to offer another twenty thousand souls onto the altar of that piece of land. That way, they can justify the previous losses as worth it and a platable explanation why we didnt have qwam all these years and exonerate sayyidna wa qaaedna esayas and his shaebiyya cultists from any guilt or war crimes committed during meda era or after independence. Allahumma ikfina sharral qitaal. Ameen.

    • Ted

      Guest, with all respect you have lost the spirit of the poem.
      It is human nature to qualm for the “past” but we shouldn’t be a hostage of ” it”.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Ted, you made me curious! Could you please elaborate on you take. Expand on it please.

        • Ted

          SH, Hope, in the era of doom and gloom. The poem, as i understand it, is about moving forward rather than entrapped by our past unfortunate experience .
          I can believe both government ostracized you for your anti-war view. Just curios, how can you be stateless by Ethiopia, when you are Eritrean.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ted, excellent, the yearning for peace is eternal; whatever the past, we should look forward to a stable peacefull life.

            In 1989, I bribed a Derg official and got an Ethiopian passport in 1989–until then I used a forged Ethiopian passport (that is where I got the name Gadi). It was my ID and my residence permits were stamped on it. They revoked it during the crazy years that started in 1998 not only because I voted for independence, but I was also one of the three member local committee that managed the referendum. The Ethiopians revoked my passport and the Eritrean regime refused to give me one. There. I became stateless. I made it to the USA. And that is why I declared victory over the two governments. It felt good 🙂

          • Mizaan

            SJ, once a winner, always a winner!

      • guest

        Sallam Ted. I only quoted and commented to Ustath’s article paragraph No. 2, second sentence. As for shi3r, specially shi3r muqaffa, my understanding stinks. You are right on that.

    • Saleh Johar

      Thanks “guest”, But I appeal to you to please change your nick. It is difficult to diffrentiate between a hundred guests 🙂

    • saay7

      Hey Guest:

      You should have stopped at admiring SGJ’s great poem. Instead, you wrote: “Same vampires are now beating war drums, disseminating false rumors, to ignite the cord tied to the dynamites, as they get thrilled and excited to see more blood flowing to satisfy the dracula inside them; working hard to summon our warsays into another roynd of holy war to liberate our ” Badime Al- Muqaddasah” from the ” stains of amharas and tegarrus” even if we have to offer another twenty thousand souls onto the altar of that piece of land.” I know today is April Fool’s Day/Opposite Day (what a useless holiday it is) but here are the facts:

      (1) There is no Eritrean calling on Warsays to liberate Badme and shed blood. None. Not the PFDJ, nor their supporters, nor those of us who consider ourselves in the independent opposition. If there are, please give examples. In fact, this group constantly gets taunted and ridiculing with “Haili entelekum go take back Badme.”

      (2) On the other hand, there are some Eritreans (or people representing themselves as Eritreans) calling on Ethiopia to shed blood in their own land to get rid of Isaias Afwerki and the PFDJ.

      So, you got it backwards.

      saay

      • guest

        Hala ya akh saay7
        I wasnt pointing fingers to any awatista, just a general observation from some blood thirsty Eritreans in casual meetings at weddings/ Eazaas/ picnics, as well as some websites. Yet even awate.com is not free of such drum beaters. Thank God. They are not the majority. I can give you a number of examples; but because of time constraint, i couldnt dig deeper. But if more fall into my hands, i promise to let you know.
        Here are two examples from two awatistas that i love and respect personally, but totally reject their approach to peace or war ( whichever way you see it ). One supporting the bloodshed till last drop the other one insinuating to
        preparedness for that possibility.
        Both comments are found in the article: Ethiopia: The Seven Sleepers Of Ephesus Are Eight…. written by Awatestaff on Feb 21, 2015. And i would like to see, brother saay7, if you support or indorse what they said. I don’t.
        This one is by selam, a month ago.
        “……. There are millions of people who do not eat three times a day in Eritrea, they still see weyane number one enemy of the Eritrean people. Once they have the open window to talk and fight they will fight to the last drop of blood even though HGDEF is their enemy number one.” I believe this statement is adressed against ” weyane the number one enemy of the Eritrean people.” But if you understand it meant Eritreans against Eritreans, even worse.. ادها و امر. Or, as you said it few days ago. جاء يكحلها عماها. I believe dracula would same some buckets of blood for a rainy day. So, in the coming ” battle until last drop” God forbid from occuring, I want these kind of people, their spouses and sons leave their comfortable ” hotel Asmara” and go to the frontline. Stay in the frontline for many many years to protect our people. Quinat zeywa3ale YihaTTir. I dont have with different or even opposing ideas with some civility. As for those who beat the drum of spilling the blood to the last drop, i recommend they taste their own prescription of blood spill by themselves and their loved ones before they push others into the pit.

        • guest

          Azizi saay7..will a screen name ” Dayph” pass your scrutiny? Sounds good to me..hahaha
          This one is a comment from Michael, a month ago under same article.
          ” Let me start by saying that aby woldu or any TPLF cadre has ever accepted the independence of Eritrea in the first place and any Eritrean who believes there will ever be peaceful relationship with the southern neighbors must be totally clueless or naive at best.” They don’t sound statements of peace and reconciliation to me.
          Continuous: “………Eritrea must
          remain strong and vigilant
          from this evil neighbor!! This
          must be an eternal mission of
          any self respecting Eritrean! ”
          All i can say is Fiqrin selamin Rabbi yewridelna. Nfeqqertin deleyti wiggi’in dill ayihabbom

          • saay7

            Selma Guest/Dayph

            Dayph is just Arabic for Guest, which is also another variation for you other offer to name yourself Dayph Allah, guest of God. Clearly you love remaining a Guest (what is next: engda?), so Dayph it is. Here is some injera and shrugs….Hope we will see Oracles of Dayph.

            Now then. This is what you wrote: “…they get thrilled and excited to see more blood flowing to satisfy the dracula inside them; working hard to summon our warsays into another roynd of holy war to liberate our ” Badime Al- Muqaddasah” from the ” stains of amharas and tegarrus” even if we have to offer another twenty thousand souls onto the altar of that piece of land.”

            The two examples you gave don’t come close to that. You were just having fun with a little hyperbole. If you are going to condemn war and bloodshed, be even-handed and condemn it when those who are calling for Ethiopian invasion do it.

            SGJ’s poem was powerful then, and is powerful now because he was blaming both sides for the war (توحدوا بها ، وتفرقوا بها) and there are some in this forum, these many years later, who insist there is only one side to blame even when they never called the one side to stop the war then (even when the most ardent Ethiopian nationalist was calling on his government to stop the war), or to stop the winds of war now and, in fact, are inviting him to come and kill their own brother and sisters (even when Ethiopians are saying, no, thanks.)

            saay

          • guest

            Hala Saay. Well i’m scared to death from those who call to fight to the last drop of the their fighters. Even best Generals do at times wave white flag of surrender in order to save the lives of the still not perished soldiers.The so called independent opposition want to fight till last drop..They beat the drum in 1998 and they are beating it now, only this time they want it till last drop of the blood while they are living comfortable in Hotel Asmara or outside Eritrea.In my sight, they are worse than dracula..However would you support the fight till last drop? If so, what did u gain by the death of all? Not even one left alive? And as i promised, i will
            present to you more of the
            draculas we have in when my
            hands get into them..
            Glad we have very few of them in this respected school of awate.com.That will be the end of this discussion except to know if you endorse the fight till last drop as selam scared me.

          • saay7

            Ahlan Dayph:

            Interesting. That there are Eritreans who are inviting Ethiopia to invade Eritrea didn’t scare you but Selam saying that if they do we will fight them until the last drop scared you?

            Read about Saudi Arabia’s invasion of Yemen: it bombed a refugee camp. That happens in wars. Read the Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission: reports of rape, torching homes, massive deportations. That happens in wars. Read Amnesty International’s 2008 report of Ethiopia’s invasion of Somalia where people were “slit like goats.” http://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/somalia-troops-killing-people-goats-slitting-throats-new-amnesty-report. That happens in wars.

            None of that scares you, but a young Eritrean woman, Selam, saying that if you invade us we will “fight until the last drop” scares you?

            saay

          • guest

            It all scare me. I am even at record here having mixed feeling of being their head quarters located in Addis. I just fell short of condemning it because they know their situation best.and i quoted the adage illi eedu fe annar mush zey illi eedu fel mayyah. So, yes, those who call for ethiopian invasion of eritrea DO scare me, so do the aTtaqa3ti of yesterday and today.And you still avoided to answer my question if you support the war till last drop of the anti woyane camp. That would have said a lot. As for the war of saudia you mentioned, it is unholy war. As it was unholy when they invaded yemen in 1962 and de- stabilized it till 1968. I shook my head when i read the ELF report supporting this latest saudi عاصفة الحزم WITHOUT the mandate from Arab League or OIC. It is mind boggling the ELF, the one crying for TPLF meddling in Eritrean affair in the early 80s, now support this invasion of yemen. All the examples you mentioned are supposed to be lessons to reject solving problems by military action instead of dialogue. So yes, all of them scare me. I hope you agree with me on that

          • saay7

            Selamat Guest:

            Interesting, again. You are creating moral equivlance between those who:

            (a) those who are calling on Ethiopia to invade Eritrea fully knowing that, as with all wars, there will be civilian casualties and property destruction and that the battlefields will be inside Eritrea as they have been for the 32 out of the last 54 years (remember Barentu, Tessenai, Senate…)

            and

            (b) those who are saying that if Ethiopia invades Eritrea they will defend themselves to the last drop of blood.

            You are scared by both equally. How strange. Are you equally offended that Saudi Arabia has invaded Yemen and is killing Yemenis and Yemenis saying we will defend ourselves to the last drop?

            Your recollection of 1998-2000 is equally skewed. One country was saying, “we will break your back…we will teach you a lesson you will never forget…we will take land by force” and the other was saying, “we will not be bullied…we will fight you back…and the ownership of whatever land you take by force is going to eventually be determined by mediators so why not straight to mediation.”

            Again, I repeat myself, the Ethiopian position was so insane that even the most ardent defender of it had to tell his government to stop and accept the peace agreement.

            saay

        • guest

          Would save*

        • guest

          I dont have problem*

        • selam

          Dear guest.

          I gave this day to the poem you spoil it for me and it was not my intention or expectation such sentiment on this article. Here is what i said . i said these words in reply to the vision of getting ethiopian foot soldiers to get what you want ,unless my principle is all against war badme is not the urgent issue on my list not even at 100. i have never ever advocate or wish for more blood. Badme is non starting issue and i do not care about badme .Ask any one who saw my statement about badme. But again if you come with weyanti boot soldiers to Eritrea what do you expect me to say. I explained more clearly that we need to convince the Eritrean people that PFDJ is the number one enemy not weyane. I hope we throw this mad man with out blood shed , i really do and that is my only wish and also believe. But it is quite hard to reply to some one behind the curtain. Even though i can see a smiling hayna is not friendly

        • selam

          Guest ,you misunderstood my stand from where you cut the line there where sentences you omitted please , i was replying to a stand an attack by weyane with out any consultation to the Eritrean people. That were i said the Eritrean people have no choice but to fight to the last drop of their blood and i stand by it. But i want to tell you i will never ever advocate for war and bloodshed . I am anti war take that as a starting point if you want mention my name.

          • Dayphi

            Merhaba selam
            glad to know you are not war monger or advocate. Definitely, i didnt write your whole post. If the sentence/s i ommitted will change the meaning of what i quoted, please bring the whole context, as i dont like to quote people out of context nor others do that to me. ( btw: Dayphi is same as guest. I just added an eye to it because ” Dayph ” was already taken.