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Isaias Afwerki: We Were Not Chosen

The fiercest critic of the Government of Eritrea, a guy by the name of Isaias Afwerki, was at it again, mercilessly taking down its 25-year-record of utter failure. This is an annual ritual, presented as an “interview” with Eri-TV; and, if you are asking why would a state-owned TV that doesn’t brook any criticism from anyone allow this, well, you know, it is because the guy is really well-connected to the powerful: he is also the President of the country.

Since every sector of Eritrea’s government is going to be harshly criticized, the only suspense is as to which one will be first in line. Not because things are particularly worse than a year ago in that given sector, but because of which minister is most annoying him at the time of the live interview. He led with energy, particularly electricity, so one of the last holdouts from the Revolution, Ministry of Energy & Mines Minister Sebhat Ephrem, would have every reason to be nervous.

But then again, it probably only reflected Isaias Afwerki’s state of mind on January 27 at 8:00 PM local time.

The Hirghigo Power Plant, said the President, is not dysfunctional because it is old; it is dysfunctional because it was not maintained well and it was in a state of disrepair. We are told this in January 2017. Meanwhile, another guy, reporting from the Belly of the Beast (“Lt Kidane”) wrote at awate.com in 2007 (ten years ago), that this is because some guy (also named Isaias Afwerki) disregarded the advice of the experts and was running the power plant to the ground. This website that you are reading now told you in 2012 that “due to misuse and lack of maintenance, the Hirgigo power plant is running at 25% of its capacity resulting in frequent power outages in the capital…”  But then again, so did Kibrom Dafla about Eritrean Airlines; so did Dr. Bereket about Eritrea’s disastrous healthcare system; so did Engineer Fisseha Negus about Eritrea’s useless dams due to Isaias Afwerki’s intrusion.  But things didn’t happen until Isaias Afwerki said they happened.

From energy, we move to transportation. Are our problems ancient roads with potholes? Insufficient buses? Yeah, but that is not what’s animating the president. It is that we don’t have enough ships and airplanes. Also, Massawa Airport is a ghost town. But. Way back in 2002, awate.com had told you in The Scandal of Massawa Airport that the Massawa Airport was ill- conceived with no feasibility study at all and poorly executed. But truth is what Isaias Afwerki says it is. When he says it (15 years later), until he says its exact opposite.

From there, it was on to housing and the severe shortage that affects Asmara with half- finished homes littering it. How did that happen? It is all these people with their short-sighted do-it-yourself attitude who forgot that a house needs more than just doors and windows: it needs sewage lines (still using colonial Italian era pipelines) and electricity (refer to the Hirgigo power plant disaster above.)  “But, sir, wasn’t it your own government and your own Housing Bank aggressively selling these homes to the criminally-gullible Diaspora Eritreans?”, asked nobody. (Come on, give the “journalists” a break, they don’t want to disappear.) How about all the kiddies with their Photoshopped images about imaginary dream neighborhoods?  Like these kiddies?  Oh well.

Watching the body language of the State Media interviewers is cringe-inducing. He is always stretched out to occupy maximum space and they are always hunched over to occupy minimum space: a fine display of power dynamics. Then there is the way they address him: “Kbur President.” Back in my day, you used the word “kbur” in addressing someone only when writing a letter for your mother to her distant cousin. Literally, it means “Dear” but I think its practical application here is “Mr.”  Still, it must still be jarring to the aging revolutionaries who knew him as “Comrade Isaias” to hear the “Kbur president.”

On to the content. With the body language firmly established–I am powerful and you are one call away from disappearance–with his reputation for losing his temper and occasionally resorting to physical violence preceding him, a protocol is established: the reporters’ questions are essentially nothing more than quoting back to Isaias Afwerki what Isaias Afwerki said years prior and then asking him very meekly for an update. One of them was so terrified and swallowing his words, Isaias had to ask him to repeat the question. Sure it is a question he had been given in advance (as he kept saying we will address this in your next question), and most likely wrote the question himself (he is an expert at everything), but we get our drama where we can find it.

Is repeating to him what he said a year ago and inviting him to give a soliloquy a safe way out? Nope: his contrarian and professorial tendencies take over and he has to begin his answers by contradicting and correcting them even when they are merely repeating what he had said. Let’s say, hypothetically (and no, I am not being hypothetical), the interviewer asks, “the campaign to diplomatically isolate Eritrea has failed, as was witnessed by the developments of 2016….”. The president will begin by correcting the interviewer and saying it was not a campaign to diplomatically isolate Eritrea and in his long answer he will revert back to confirming that it was, indeed, diplomatic isolation.

Motto: confuse friend and foe alike. Keep them off-balance.

One way of keeping them off-balance is to bore them to death. One reason that the interviews are so long is because Isaias Afwerki was absent when they were teaching factoring and distributive property in algebra in middle school. Let me put it this way. Suppose I ask you what can I buy in the two farmers markets in your neighborhood. You would say “you can buy fruits and vegetables.”

This is how Isaias Afwerki would put it:

“If you go to the market, (and whether we have a market or not is a big subject that we can discuss at length), you can buy fruits and vegetables, if the speculators have not marketed the corner (which is also a huge and deep subject which we can discuss had it not been for the limitations on time.) When you go to the first Farmer’s Market, you can buy oranges and lemons, (I like to call it citrus), peaches and water melons, and apples and farawla, [which is a word I translated from Arabic for strawberries: marvel at my vocabulary and the words I invent]. And when it comes to vegetables, you can buy, spinach, and carrots and onions and tomatoes (although some say that is not a vegetable but fruit which is a huge subject.) When you go to the second Farmer’s Market, you can buy oranges, peaches and lemons, and water melons, and apples and strawberries. As for vegetables, you can buy spinach and carrots and tomatoes and onions….”

This keep-them-on-their-toes-or-bore-them-to-death strategy sometimes enters the twilight zone when he replaces a word by its synonym and says “I call it….” (iye zblo ane.) When he was asked about the Eritrean constitution, he began by saying “I call it governmental system.” You may be asking: but the 1997 Eritrean constitution was called Qwam, what happened?  Read on:  choosing the phrase “governmental system” (“sr’Ate mengisti”) in lieu of constitution (“Qwam”) was only when discussing the proposed Eritrean constitution. When discussing Ethiopia’s constitution of 1994-95, which he is still angry about because his advice for unitary state was not taken seriously, he forgets the iye zblo ane synonym and he reverts back to “Qwam.”

Then (pay attention now Atlantic Council and all the propagandists who actually think President Isaias Afwerki is actually drafting a constitution), he takes us to the market and tells us what he is selling, and it is not a constitution that will introduce rule of law in Eritrea. Nope. It is a road-map (godena meriH) for perpetual hegemony of the ruling party, PFDJ.

It goes like this: Eritrea will be organized vertically: the Red Sea Area (North & South Red Sea), the Central area (the Eritrean highlands all the way up north to most of Anseba region), and the Western zone (Gash-Barka and parts of Anseba.) Each command center, I mean economic zone, will have its national security, intelligence, police, border patrol, PFDJ office, and civilian administrators. This identical structure will be, god help us all, replicated in the Eritrean Diaspora (the Americas, Europe, Middle East, Africa.) Each one will have a Coordinating Committee, and each one of these will report to some central unit of PFDJ, Inc.

So, a question about the constitution-drafting process ended up being an answer about the re-organization of PFDJ, told without the benefit of the Distributive Law of algebra. It was explained in the manner I explained above about what you can buy at a market.

Then came the issue of raises for civil servants and the education system.   Let’s pause for a second now and remember that children as young as 16 are separated from their parents to go to the single high school in the country which also happens to be a military camp in Sawa.  So, every year, 15,000 Eritreans take the high-school-leaving exam and, at most, 5,000 meet the minimum requirements (GPA) to pursue their education further in diploma and degree programs. What about the other 10,000 students a year who are done with compulsory education every year? Well, if I have them join the armed forces, you accuse me of enslaving them. If they leave the country, you accuse me of exiling them. I am trying to come up with certificate programs to teach 1 year or shorter vocational courses, but that requires teachers and resources which I don’t have….

[Author: I am paraphrasing. I paraphrase when I am sympathetic to the challenge.]

So, to deal with this issue, I am prioritizing them (recent college, university graduates) over all others when it comes to who is first in line to get the raises. Why not use seniority and experience, asks the interviewer. Because the priority is how do you buy off the most potentially politically active, came out a thought bubble followed by Dear God, am I the only politician in town?

This naturally begs the question: Dear Leader, now that you have misdiagnosed Eritrea and prescribed solutions that won’t work,  and haven’t worked for 25 years, could you also misdiagnose the world and tell us what’s going on?

Gladly, little people.  Well, of course, this is a deep and broad subject. But the short version is the story you have heard every year in every interview:

Eritrea’s independence in 1991 coincided with the end of the Cold War. Then came these two American thinkers, Fukuyama and Huntington, proposing a Unipolar World led by the United States, which would rule the world, unchallenged for the next 50 years. This vision of hegemony and domination requires having anchor states, and obedient servants of which Ethiopia is one….and all the wars we saw from Afghanistan to Iraq, to Somalia, to Libya, Syria and all the Arab Spring were the direct outcome of this misguided and arrogant policy.

To begin with, Fukuyama was never for US hegemony (except for the brief period he lost his mind and was a signatory to the Project for New American Century in 1997.) Fukuyama is most famous for arguing the end of History (capital “H”) has arrived: an epoch when the entire world has agreed that the values of liberal democracy and free markets are the best choice. This is standard stuff (Marx believed that there would be a time when communism would triumph over all forms of economic systems) and the prevailing view after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

But more importantly, by 2003, Fukuyama had come to understand that culture is more important than ideology and had broken from the neoconservative movement and the US hegemonic view, and this is really, really important point: Isaias Afwerki believed in US hegemony LONGER THAN FUKUYAMA did. When Fukuyama was expressing his doubts about whether the US role in Iraq was positive, President Isaias Afwerki was lobbying the United States really hard to establish a base in Eritrea.

Towards that end, Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of U.S. Central Command, visited Eritrea four times in 2002 and met with Eritrean officials. Towards that end, Sebhat Ephrem sent a letter to the US offering Eritrea as a US base. Towards that end, Isaias Afwerki sent a letter to the US leaders congratulating them for their military action in Afghanistan. Towards that end, the then-Eritrean ambassador to the US (the late Girma Asmerom) said, “We are perfect for America; we have deepwater ports for its navy, mountains very similar to those in Afghanistan that can be used for training purposes and airfields that can accommodate its aircraft.” Towards that end, Isaias Afwerki wrote a letter inviting the United States: “I believe that the U.S. has no choice but to play a pivotal role….The matter cannot certainly be relegated to regional actors–Ethiopia, Kenya or Djibouti.” Towards that end, the late Girma Asmerom explained that Eritrea is a better base than Saudi Arabia to launch sorties to Iraq because the Saudis population doesn’t like US soldiers in its country.  Eritrea could also serve a launching point for a future attack on Iraq: “You could do it easily from Eritrea and only have to ask for fly-over rights from the Saudis.” (Source for all the quotes above) Finally, it was towards that end (US hegemony) that Isaias Afwerki said, “I share the strategic view of the Americans in the region. French forces in Djibouti have been a stabilizing factor, and U.S. troops will add to that. You need outside powers to keep order here. It sounds colonialist, but I am only being realistic.” (Source)

You cannot spend years lobbying to be the servant (“khedami”, in the parlance of Isaias Afwerki) of the United States, failing, and then blaming those who succeeded (Ethiopia) of being servants. Well, you can, but only with those who have short memories or whose paycheck requires them to have short memories.  My view of people with short memories was expressed memorably by the great American rockers Tool in their song Ænima (and yes it is obscene, so if you are offended by poetic lyrics that are not G-rated, don’t click the link.)

Now here’s something newsworthy, the only one in the painfully long and pedantic interview: for the first time, Isaias Afwerki, sorta admits that he had attempted to be a servant for US hegemony and failed: the word he uses is “ayteHarenan”: we were not chosen. Not we didn’t want to. But we were not chosen. So, all we are talking about here is a foreign policy based on “Fatal Attraction”: Eritrea was a curiosity for the US; Eritrea was smitten by the US, and when the US spurned Eritrea, Eritrea felt ignored (“I am not going to be ignored!”) and went on some bunny-boiling adventure. Except the bunny here is the poor Eritrean people.

Of course, Isaias Afwerki perfectly understands those with US hegemonic powers. He doesn’t understand the Merkels and the Hollandes because they are too weak. But he understands the hegemonists because, after all, he is one: he is trying to build a hegemony for his ruling party and he is grooming his son, Abraham Isaias Afwerki, to head it, all the while talking about the evil of corruption.  No wonder Transparency International just ranked Eritrea as one of the most corrupt in the world: because political corruption is just as horrific as economic corruption.

And, oh, yes, for those of you who like the Red Meat of Eritrean Ultra-Nationalism, Isaias Afwerki said that Ethiopia is in intensive care.  Same thing (exact phrase) he said in 2005, but I surely hope him repeating it in 2017 (12 years of being wrong) will soothe you.

You can join me in the discussion forum (stop by the donate page in the feet of your road – egre megedkum) and we will speculate why Isaias Afwerki is, all of a sudden, talking about Eritrea’s major transportation challenges being lack of local air flights and ships.

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  • Blue Asmara

    Salam All: Ethiopia in 2017 is again facing the major humanitarian emergency as a result of El Nino. Instead of allowing for part of its population to starve as a result of stalled humanitarian cargo movement at a congested Port of Djibouti, why does the international community not use the opportunity as an potential icebreaker between Ethiopia and Eritrea and negotiate use of Eritrea’s ports for the movement of humanitarian cargo bound for Ethiopia?

    • Paulos

      Selam Blue Asmara,

      What if Ethiopia says it will tough it out instead of using the port of Asseb. Better yet Isaias can swallow his pride and directly ask Ethiopia to normalize relations. And I am sure Ethiopians would be happy to meet him half way even though Isaias spent the last 15 years to put the Weyanes in the ICU and hospice alike but for some weird reason which defies logic they kept coming back to life.

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Paulos and thanks for your comments. Normalization between the two countries would of course be great but I just do not see it happening while PIA/PFDJ and the T-TPLF are in control unless there is strong outside intervention to beak the ice. In this regard, it is really sad how regional coordination bodies such as the AU and IGAD, are basically doing nothing.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Blue Asmara,
          I would think the international community would hesitate to approach our mercurial leader with any such proposal. The official pronouncements and his interviews do not encourage one to suggest any “icebreaker” between Ethiopia and Eritrea to him. However, it would be interesting to know how the food aid “pilot shipment” by WFP, for South Sudan through Massawa went.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abrehet Yosief and thanks for your comments. Certainly, PIA would agree to allow Eritrea’s ports to be used for humanitarian cargo destined for Ethiopia; this I can assure you. WFP’s pilot shipment, from Massawa to South Sudan went well though there are no planned additional tonnages of food aid to be moved on this corridor.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Blue,
            How is it possible for you to assure anyone about IA allowing humanitarian cargo into Ethiopia while even close people to him often fail to read his mind and heart?
            SS and Ethiopia are different issues, are not they? Ethiopians often heard accussing him of confiscating humanitarian and private shipments that happened to be and accidentally stranded at the Eritrean ports when the last war broke out. Why would you think they should trust him now?
            Hayat

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for your comments. PIA has in fact always said that he would allow Eritrea’s ports to be used for humanitarian cargo destined to Ethiopia. Your facts are wrong in regards to confiscated cargo. It was not private cargo but rather 116,000 MT of WFP food commodities that were confiscated from WFP warehouses in 2006. This was a huge mistake by PIA and while WFP still, has since that time, maintained an office in Asmara they have had no project activities.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Blue,
            I was talking about 1998. Ethiopians were so furious he used the conflict he created himself to excuse himself confiscate properties that doidn’t belong to him. A leader who decides to confiscate shipments that happened to be in the ports he territorially controls is very lowly. This is in fact well documented that IA confiscated private and humanitarian shipments from proceedings submitted to and verofied by the EECC. I am afraid his words are priced zero value as he never cared to honor them. He could say many things and it means nothing to those who were wronged by him more than once.
            Now back to the same question: if he did that then, why do you think Ethiopians should trust him now?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for you comments. As the saying goes ‘All is fair in love and war’ and 1998 was in the heat of matters. Why should Ethiopians trust him now? They wouldn’t need to. If say Assab or Massawa were used for humanitarian cargo destIned for Ethiopia, it would be donors who would hold the Eritrean Government accountable for food commodities entering thru Eritrean ports. A transit warehouse would need to be set-up at a mutually agreed to border transit point and managed by a neutral third nation. Outbound cargo could then be collected by Ethiopian transporters for onward movement into Ethiopia.

          • Hayat Adem

            Funny Blue,
            “As the saying goes ‘All is fair in love and war’ and 1998 was in the heat of matters.”
            You are so funny. Are we at war or in love now? Are we at peace?
            If you know IA that close now, can you tell us now he would want to be that magnanimous to open up his ports while Ethiopians are not asking for his kind heart? Why can’t he feel that emphathy for our people who are vegitating in refugee camps in Sudan for 5 decades?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Aden and thanks for your comments. I believe that you must be starting to fall in love with me. My focus and intent was on ways to break the current impasse between Ethiopia and Eritrea and not Sudanese refugee camps which by the way have not been in continuous existence for 5 decades as UNHCR in 1993 discontinued refugee status for Eritreans living in Sudan, though refugee status would later be enacted.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Blue Asmara,
            I am sure our dear leader would allow humanitarian cargo to Ethiopia, specially since it would activate the ports and line his pockets. My question to you was what makes you think he will use that as “ice breaker” to start dialogue with Ethiopia. And by the way, who drove the trucks from Massawa to South Sudan?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abrehet Yosief and thanks for your comment. It is not PIA that would use activation of Eritrean ports to serve Ethiopian humanitarian cargo as an icebreaker rather, it would 1) Provide much needed engagement with the West, 2) Provide indirect engagement with Ethiopia, 3) Engage international ‘neutral’ eyed support staff inside Eritrea in the process, and 4) Hopefully allow PIA, in a face saving manner, to become more engaged with major donor countries to facilitate possible investment linkages and lines of cooperation. In regards to the Massawa>South Sudan deliveries, Indian origin cargo was loaded onto Eritrean trucks -direct from vessel discharge-for onward movement. Problem with this corridor is that it proved to be more expensive than cargo ex-Port Sudan.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Blue,
          What does the hyphenated “T” before TPLF stand for, if I may ask? No bother iff it is typo.
          Hayat

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem. “T” is the Thugtatorship of the TPLF

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam again,
            What does it mean in yhis context? And why did you want to name them that way?
            Hayat.

    • Nitricc

      Hey blue, i think you are missing the main point. TPLF will never allow normalization with Eritrea. In the first place the main reason they ignited the war and expelling Eritreans from Ethiopia is that as long as there are Eritreans in Ethiopia, TPLF will never see the glory that dreamt of. TPLF can’t compute and demand the respect as same as what Eritreans has in Ethiopia. As long as there are Eritreans in Ethiopia, TPLF will be the 2nd in the eyes of the Ethiopians, so for TPLF to be the main driving force in Ethiopia, Eritreans must be expelled from Ethiopia and some kind of conflict must exist. this is the very reason TPLF won’t solve the border issue. if the border issue is resolved and Eritreans are free to live in Ethiopia and free to compute in all aspect Ethiopia has to offer, TPLF will go back right to the 2nd place. To tell you the truth, TPLF don’t give a flying hoot about Badime, there is a bigger issue called inferiore complexity. Deep in their heart, they know they can never compete with Eritreans and they will never command the respect Eritreans do in the eyes of the Oromo and the Amara. the truth and the main reason of the problem.

      • Abi

        Hi General Nitricc
        Regardless of Badime, Eritreans fought to live in their own country. They didn’t die to compete against Ethiopians in Ethiopia.
        How about a little self respect for a change?

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    Now that we solved Badme 🙂

    Just wanted to drop in a bit of news on the UBI (Universal Basic Income) front.

    I don’t know whether this link is going to work. http://mashable.com/2017/02/09/ebay-founder-universal-basic-income/#Lwx4gFvlXSqa

    But, in any case, the founder of ebay is sponsoring a UBI trial in Kenya.

    “The group recently launched a 12-year pilot program in which it plans to give 6,000 Kenyans regular stipends for the entire duration. Around 20,000 more will receive at least some form of cash transfer.
    Other tech billionaires are funding similar trails in the US as well.”

    Other tech money elite are jumping in as well..

    “Startup incubator Y-Combinator is in the midst of one such study in the Bay Area, and its president, Sam Altman, and Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes have kicked $10 million towards another research project.”

    It sounds like there is a Silicon Valley consensus about the effect of automation and jobs. People are putting their money on the line to get the studies done. It should be interesting.

    Amde

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      Does it say why Kenya or in Kenya?

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        That particular article doesn’t. But after you asked your question I was intrigued enough to noodle around and I found this:

        (“The largest basic income experiment in history is coming to Kenya”: http://www.businessinsider.com/kenya-will-see-the-worlds-largest-basic-income-experiment-2016-4)

        “Ultimately, they hope to generate a $30 million basic income pool. While that may seem like a pricey experiment, it would actually cost closer to $1 billion if conducted in America, Faye and Niehaus write. Kenya has a lower cost of living, so the experiment can be cheaper.”

        The trial is being run by a non profit called GiveDirectly. They budgeted $30MLN for the trial in Kenya, and targeting a 10 – 15 years time span. They think shorter time spans will skew the results – basically, if you knew a cash stream is going to run out in a year or so, you wouldn’t change behavior per se – you would anticipate its discontinuation and act accordingly.

        It sounds like ebay founder made a financial contribution to an ongoing trial.

        I guess Kenya being a favorite of the development studies crowd, connected, English savvy, being a popular tourist destination and most importantly – cheap – sealed the deal.

        I suppose Ethiopia could be a candidate but then this goes a bit against the control freakish instinct of the EPRDF, so it might not fly.

        Amde

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          Many thanks for the extra effort. Please excuse my ignorance if you think my question is dumb. Don’t you think injecting more money into the circulation is tantamount to printing more money which could ultimately distablize the economy when particularly it is piloted in a country like Kenya with a volatile economy? Moreover, the other concerning issue could be the influx of people from the country sides to the cities when the UBI is seen as an incentive to do so?

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Oh man you are the newest ray of sunshine at Awate, every question is an opportunity to learn.

            The way I see this TRIAL money is: foreign aid or grant money, except it doesn’t go through the government bureaucracy, nor is it targeted for any particular outcome. In that sense, it falls into the general critique of foreign aid.

            The economic destabilization question will come up when it becomes the duty/burden of the government of Kenya to acquire the money and distribute it. So far, most of the discussion about UBI have centered around the ability of the government to afford it strictly via internal taxation.

            I think UBI could be politically stabilizing for weaker states in the third world, but it can be argued that it could give the state overwhelming power over the individual. I suppose there will have to be constitutional level guarantees of the right to UBI. and mechanism outside the regular government bureaucracy to make it work (something like an independent central bank that can determine rates, monitor disbursements etc..)

            Personally, i think the “printing money” questions will come to the fore AFTER UBI becomes established fact, and then governments find that they don’t have sufficient internal revenue sources – whether via taxation or what have you to meet these liabilities. We had a discussion about “printing money” around here maybe about 2 months ago or so, and I was roundly “scolded” for even entertaining that idea … haha.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Paulos,

            Very interesting you become an economist by default. Amazing keep on brother.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Amde,

          The pilot UBI experiment in Kenya (underdeveloped nation) will not give them a swift replicable argument in the developed nations where the labor forces and the automation are on real head on conflict. The conflict between automation and labour force is so complex and complicate which will substitute the usual conflict between employers and employees on salary bases that we are familiar with in the current stage of capitalism. Labour forces will fight against automation when their jobes are replaced by Robot machines.The fight of labor forces will be the fight for survival. The fight of survival of the vast population with shake up imperialism as system to make adjustment on the nature of distribution of production. UBI will only treat the symptoms of the crises at early stage only if it works anyway.When the full blown automation occur, the relation of production to the forces of production should naturally negate the system and give way to a new system that address the realities, otherwise human being will be in epic crises that took us down all together.

          Regards

          • Amde

            Selam Emma,

            Labor has been fighting automation for 400 years and it has been losing. And it will continue to lose. In the US, labor complains about Walmart, but then they end up shopping at Walmart for the same reason they are powerless to stop automation – namely it provides acceptable quality goods at low prices. Automation will only make this happen faster.

            The workaround has been in education and retraining for new skills, and I dare say most of the rich countries have some kind of a social contract where workers have access to education opportunities to adjust make themselves to the opportunities that do exist. Also, the population proportion involved in the services economy (i.e not farming, manufacturing or mining) has really gone up.

            I guess now the pace of automation is becoming faster than the pace of humans to create new industries that can employ more people.

            The Kenyan experience may not be directly transferrable, but at 20,000 people and 10 years, that is a really respectable research basis, so I am sure there will be a lot of details that will be learned that can be used. Keep in mind there are other trials happening also – I believe in Namibia as well, and some other places in Europe.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            Sorry I don’t think this is really beneficial for the countries or the people they suppose to help.

            If we go down to the basics of human needs as we learn them long time ago, food, shelter and cloths, then that’s all the need. If this money was spend to help them build one of the needs like shelter then I can understand. But once they have shelter then they don’t need to build another one. The rest, food and cloth I think they should be able to find a way to do it.

            But if it was given to them so they can shop and spend it on food (imported foods, imported clothing) and others like cell phone, tv and internet, it’s not going to make any difference in the long run.

            There are a lot of people who need help that they can’t help them selves. Like funding an orphanage, or senior’s home,Palliative care, hospitals, schools, public servants, etc…would make sense.

            They create jobs at the same time help the society….but to actually give money so people can’t find a job, I don’t think it will have a long term positive effects.

            Amde: think this way..here in Canada, just think 200 years ago when those Europeans come..with no machinery, no air planes, no roads, no trains, no cars, ….how did they build the civilization…how did they survive the winters, how did they raise their families.

            If they survived in that environment and build what they have they build today, I am sure in Africa we are more than able to survive.

            I think this automation is a US problem and I don’t think even it’s a western countries problems. I don’t hear Germany is hurting because of automation and there is no country that can claim knows how to automate as Germany.

            I think the difference is the taxing system for example in the US compared to those in western Europe like Germany or Scandinavian countries.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Amde,

            Here is how I foresee the nature of the contradiction. The current contradiction is between the employers and employee “on wages.” The forth coming contradiction is between the owners of automation and labor forces on “losing their jobs” to robots. A complete different scenario. I do not think in our lives but it is coming at a fast pace.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            Could you please elaborate the line when you said, “…the fight for survival of the vast population will shake up imperialism as a system….” I say imperialism is anachronistic in terms where it is confined to the relics of history. If it was predicted erroneously as the last stage of capitalism when the latter expands in search of natural resources, we witness instead the rise of the would be hubs of natural resources as exponents of capitalism in their own right. Having said that however, the very notion of imperialism was revived by the likes of literary critics as in Edward Said among others when they argued that cultural imperialism is the root cause of clash of civilizations when we thought the truimph of liberal democracy was the End of History.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Paulos,

            No brother, imperialism is not confined to the relics of history. Even the proponents of capitalism who believe capitalism will not be negated by the next social development, do believe that imperialism is the highest stage of monopoly capitalism. Lenin’s farsightedness to foresee monopoly imperialism and its consequence is breath taking. The dynamics of civilization and technological advancement will continue and reach a stage where human labor will be replaced by robotic machines and as result the conflict of employers and employees on wages base will transform in essence to the highest conflict between automation and labor forces. Imagine for instance 80% of labor forces are replaced by robot machines, all the profits of production goes to the few monopoly capitalist. Don’t You think the fight for survival of the 80% “world labor forces” shake imperialism? Doesn’t this will also reflect the highest conflict between “production forces” and “production relation?” I am afraid we are not talking about the highest metamorphosis of capitalism.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            There is a general consensus among social thinkers that, in order to have a clear grasp about a writer or an author’s central idea, it is better to examine the times or era he or she lived in (read: Structuralist point of view). I tend to agree. As such, the idea of imperialism forwarded by Lenin and others should be viewed with in the said context. That said however, it is imperative to see what the expert definition of imperialism says. Imperialism is extending the policy of an empire or a nation over foreign countries to take over their economic, political and cultural life. Now imagine that happening in the 21st century. One would still find its strict relevance in here and now unless one is stuck in time say a century ago. Lenin seemed to have built up his so called foresight about the final stage of capitalism on Marxist take of political economy as in the inter and intra relations between the means and forces of production as he dubbed them infra-structures. To be more precise, Lenin in his rather parochial and horizontal view of trajectories of history assumed that, capitalists will look into other nations for natural resources to maximize their profit when they run out to sustain it. More over, when the capitalists get control of the supra-structures as in the legal and political aspect of the nations the live in, in a Clausewitzian lingo or parlance, politics becomes war by other means for a greater economic end. But again one needs to get off the high ride of over active imagination titeering on a verge of conspiracy theories to come back to the economic and political realities of the 21st century when to the very least the world is into multi-polar dimensions and anti-trust laws are in place among other pertinent international laws.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat and thanks for your interesting comments. Just to mention that the World Bank in 2015 raised Kenya’s status to that of a lower-middle income country.

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde and Emma,

          The issue of UBI is worth paying a visit again where the other day we left it half baked so to speak. But here I offer my misgivings.

          We as in humans abhor fundamental changes where zoning out from our mental or physical comfort niche is unsettling to say the least. History as well is replete with social anxieties when for instance Pythagoras and his cult followers became apprehensive when they discovered that dividing a number by zero gives you irrational numbers and decided not to persue it for they thought it would lead them into something aghast. The invention of printing press; when Copernicus and Galileo challenged geocentrism; the invention of the microscope that lead to the elusive world of the microbes—they all were unsettling. These milestones in human history created social anxiety where the potential of the human spirit to adopt and prevail was overlooked. Moreover, when hand crafting was over taken by heavy machinery, there was the same commotion about if the power of the masses was going to be compromised as it was articulated by the communist ideologues. Later on, it gave rise to the ideological and psychological warfare between the East and West when the former presented a smokescreen of a total employment under the charade of command economy. In reality however, it was a system that had gone awry against the very cradle of human nature–the right to live free in the choices you make in life. The same anxiety seems to creep in where robotic automation is to take over and humanity is to be pushed aside. If Nitzsche had said that life is a cycle of events including in history, he was never far from the truth for the human spirit is not meant to be caged.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Amde

      I like your curiosity and I like your brain power. And please keep’m coming, so we can learn a thing or two each day. My take on this issue: I don’t like it! I don’t like it, I don’t like it a bit!

      I’m skeptic, I’m skeptic, I’m very very very skeptic about the whole UBI thing. The reason:

      In life there is no such thing as a free lunch. I wouldn’t even support a country doing this kind of experiment to a segment of is population (race, ethnic, class, faith….in mind), let alone another country from half the world away experimenting on my people.

      People have healthy mind simply because they have a thinking mind. People have a thinking mind because they are using their brain each day, pushing it to the limit. A thinking brain that is pushed to its limit (even stressed out) is an innovative, creative, inventive, confident….. mind.

      If you give people money without doing a thing, they become dull, dependent, morally corrupt, violent, low selfe-steem, low self-worth….. And there is another twist to it. Just for the sake of argument, let’s say Ethiopia has 100 million souls. And let’s say, some Western country(s) volunteered to give based income for the whole Ethiopian population for fifty years. Now, after fifty years years (two generations) under UBI programs, Ethiopians won’t know how to farm, Ethiopians won’t know how how to build, Ethiopians won’t know how to repair anything……… well you got the idea. Then, whoever was feeding the Ethiopian people for the last fifty years, has full control (mentally and physically) over the whole Ethiopian population.

      That’s why countries subsidize their farmers to grow crops every year, even when they know they can buy crops cheaper in the market.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Amde

        Selam Semere,

        Believe me I understand where you are coming from.

        After all, this is the criticism one hears of Saudis and Gulf Arabs – that they are too lazy to do their own work.

        Right now, all the trials are predicated on providing just enough to survive on. Not to be rich or comfortable. The article on India exploring UBI was discussing $113 a YEAR. That is basically nothing for us. BUT, with this injection of cash, they project to cut down exreme poverty from about 20% to less than a percent. That is huge.

        The reason I am interested in it is that the comparative advantage of many poor countries was supposed to be cheap labor, but that is being threatened by the advent of robotic automation. Ethiopia has borrowed and invested a lot in putting the infrastructure in place (power, transport, educated manpower) to be a major manufacturing hub for both internal consumption, and more importantly for export. They did many of the right things, and if robot automation was not in the picture, Ethiopia’s export oriented manufacturing would really be starting to take off, especially in a couple of years (completion of GERD and the rail lines).

        UBI may ultimately fail, but it seems like it is the only thing being seriously entertained as a possible countermeasure.

        Amde

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Amde

          This is my take on the UBI argument.

          1. – I could shut-up, look the other way and learn, when rich countries experiment their UBI program/study on their own people. But it makes me very nervous and very uncomfortable when rich countries go half the world away to experiment on other nation’s people.

          2.- The issue of AUTOMATION and the UNEMPLOYABLE MAJORITY argument is very complex issue. I believe it is an issue THAT COULD TAKE CARE OF ITSELF WITHOUT MUCH FUSS.

          Automation is dependent on sales revenues. And sales revenue is dependent on consumers discretionary income. If we assume the majority of the world population to be poor, and if we assume life in every corners of this planet to be automated (Asia, Europe, The Americas), then automation is not going to be as problematic to society, as we think it would – since automation is going to face, fierce competition coupled with high overhead.

          3. – Also, the assumption of the argument – too many people would be unemployed, is also a flawed argument in itself. I believe the era of human population explosion is over. The days of having 7-10 children is long gone. Because of budget/income constraints, people are having 2-3 children almost in every country in this planet – and many don’t even care to have children.That means, in most cases, parents are having children (as their replacement) to keep population size as is. And if more control over population growth is needed governments could also play a role to reduce/control population growth – rather than studying how to manage a permanent under class population.

          Semere Tesfai

      • Amde

        Selame Semere,

        Just to add…

        You are hinting at the potential political impacts, i.e loss of sovereignty – a UBI future might lead us to. Personally, this is the kind of discussion i have not seen anywhere and which I hope some Awatistas can weigh in on.

        • saay7

          Amde and all:

          Universal Basic Income, or Unconditional Basic Income is something that is going to happen, possibly during our lifetime, in my view, because it is one of the few areas where right-wing, left-wing and libertarians politicians agree (for different reasons) it is necessary. Consider:

          1) In rich countries, we *already* have universal basic income: it is called welfare. UBI is a better alternative to welfare because you don’t have to go to some impersonal, cold, bureaucracy to weave stories of why you need money with the attendant gaming of the system. EVERYBODY, including millionaires, would get the determined UBI.

          2) UBI is a natural outgrowth of universal education of K-12 and universal healthcare that is accepted all over the world (except the US—for now);

          3) In the 1992 US elections, some guy named Perot (not Hercule Poirot from your Agatha Christie novels, Abi) warned that NAFTA would result in the disappearance of US jobs. The smooth-talking Clinton and the New World Order Bush laughed at him and…he was right. As you said, Amde, more and more good paying jobs will continue to disappear and that old homily that “technology and automation also creates news jobs. ” They did, but they no longer do. The self-driving cars and, eventually, self-driving trucks will displace millions of jobs, and then what? And just when the white-collar workers get all smug about the blue-collar workers getting displaced and lecturing them about the need for retraining, they too will be displaced by Artificial Intelligence (AI) and the internet of everything. That guy who set at the information desk giving directions to people, the concierge, all replaced by the Internet of everything.

          4. We (including me) have fun impersonating Trump but this is why he was elected: to put a break on this, to slow it down. “Infrastructure jobs” are just another form of creating Universal Basic Income. The one statistic that we can point to as to why Trump was elected: In January 2016, Bankrate did a survey and found:”about 63 percent of Americans say they’re unable to handle a $500 car repair or a $1,000 emergency room bill, according to a new survey from Bankrate.com.” Living paycheck to paycheck. The unconventional Trump gutted the boilerplate Republican script and promised he would never mess with social security and medicare and then stole a script from the Dems and promised billions in infrastructure job.

          The appeal of UBI is to create a floor that respects human dignity (you are not going to starve to death) without rewarding laziness (all you are going to get is subsistence income, if you want more, you have to work.)

          saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            Absolutely Saaytanic!
            I heard somewhere in California a man invented a robot that will make your coffee to perfection every time. No barista needed.

            Do you know an Awatista who read all Agatha Christie books pretending to be sick in some missionary hospital ?

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            That would be you, right? I have noticed that you have pretty decent recall so let me ask: what’s the name of Agatha Christies book where we learn that the narrator of the story is the murderer?

            Saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            I like to pass the question to Ato Saleh. He is the one who read all.
            Any question from “Chances” by Jackie Collins. ( one of the books you hid in a brown bag.)

        • Dear Amde,

          Just start to analyze Semere T’s. comment from “whoever was feeding the Ethiopian people for the last fifty years, has full control (mentally and physically) over the whole Ethiopian population.” What he has in mind is full control of society, and of course, first and foremost, full control of the eritrean people. He is extremely skeptic and fears that ubi destroys the thinking brain. He brings the concept of race, color, religion, etc, to make a point, as if ubi will be racially, religiously oriented. He is lamenting for innovation, creativeness etc, that are going to stop. Poverty and joblessness do not seem to him the result of social injustice, and if people are provided the ubi, according to his opinion, they are going to be lazy, degeneration, corrupt, and all the rest. In actual fact what he does not want to see is free citizens, who have shaken off their back, corrupt and authoritarian regimes. Controlling people is what interests him most. Any measure that unchains people from their bondage is an anathema for him.

          In addition, he says that ethiopians will lose the knowledge of farming if they get the ubi, as if they are going to farm with oxen after 50 yrs, when technology would be available to every country. His world seems stationary, and stagnated in the 60s and 70s.

          Ubi is not a livable income, not even close. It is meant to keep the head above the water, until jobless people can stand on their own two feet. Still they will be forced to educate themselves and their children, look for jobs or create their own, etc, at least at this stage. In the west the money is already more or less spent on jobless people with different names (social welfare, unemployment benefits, etc.) Simply their will be less of bureaucracy and better control.

          Society is in a crisis, globalization has been unfair especially to the middle class, the rich have become richer, the poor poorer, fascism is knocking at the doors of the usa and Europe, and the world is in a precarious situation, and nobody knows what the fate of billions of people is going to be.

          There is already enough in the world for everybody’s needs but not everyone’s greed (Gandhi). The white judeo-christian supremacists of the usa and Europe do not think so, unfortunately. They are leading the world into a grave situation, which may end up into a nuclear holocaust. Worse still, if there are also black supremacists.

          Is automation going to serve the masses or the few millionaires and billionaires is the main question and not ubi. Human society should do everything to decrease the possibility of a widespread social injustice that would lead to social upheaval all over the world. There are intellectuals who say that interstate conflicts and conflicts within the same state, are going to be common. That is what should be avoided by all means. UBI may decrease hopelessness and conflicts.
          Therefore, i believe that with ubi people will add value to the minimum income they get, and it is not going to make them lazy, corrupt or degenerate. On the contrary, it will set them free from political bondage, from living under the boots of dictators and in utter poverty. This is why people like S.T. oppose ubi so vehemently, because they do not want to see free people.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            Great points and well argued. Thank you.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            At the end of the day I think this question “Is automation going to serve the masses or the few millionaires and billionaires is the main question and not ubi. ” will come to the forefront. I agree with you UBI is just a stop gap measure.

            His point on the whole population atrophying all skills is rather exaggerated. Robots will be involved in Teff farming and all manner of agriculture for example. The skill set is transferred from know how to manage oxen to how to manage farmer robots.

            But, at the end of the day, when the ratio of working to nonworking people is really low, governments will have to adjust a lot of their policies. Who do they tax? Are they going to be reliant on external input (more or less permanent grants)? Right now UBI = Welfare is the dominant explanation for what it is, why we need it and whether we can afford it.

            It should be interesting. Saay has argued all the points really well. He says we will see it in our ifetime. I think it will happen sooner rather than later.

            Amde

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            I think we have different understanding of the UBI program. And this is my understanding of the program. UBI program is not “meant to keep the head above the water, until jobless people can stand on their own two feet. Still they will be forced to educate themselves and their children, look for jobs or create their own, etc, at least at this stage” as you alluded to. No, no, no, no, that is not what the UBI study is intended to do. It is a study for human behavior. And this is what they are saying.

            “The founder of ebay is sponsoring a UBI trial in Kenya. The group recently launched a 12-year pilot program in which it plans to give 6,000 Kenyans regular stipends for the entire duration. Around 20,000 more will receive at least some form of cash transfer. Other tech billionaires are funding similar trails in the US as well.”

            Now, please help me if I’m missing something. This UBI program is not a temporary income that is intended to supplement low income families (people) low wages. This is not disability or retirement check. This is a study. And as a study, I expect the subjects of this study to be placed in a very CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

            If I’m collecting money from the UBI program and I’m living inside the larger community of my people socializing (church, weddings, parties, schools, markets….), if I’m collecting money from the UBI program and I’m still allowed to have side jobs, if I’m collecting money from the UBI program and still I’m attending higher education to advance my self in life…….. I don’t have any problem with that. But I don’t believe that is what the UBI program is intended to do.

            This study is about a premise. And the premise goes – in any given society there are unemployable underclass people that need to live their entire life on handouts. Let’s make a study to serve them better. That is the whole idea.

            And to study how human behave under UBI program would be shaped/moulded, they have to create a community (a village, a town, a city….) that would be isolated from the whole society for decades – probably whole families of certain segment of society. And this subjects would be in a very controlled environment – quality of food, information, quality of healthcare, availability of drugs and alcohol……. all would be controlled in that environment buy those who are funding and running this UBI program. That is my understanding.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere T.,

            Over the last so many days we have been discussing the universal basic income or guaranteed minimum income as an economic safety net in connection with automation, robots, human labor, joblessness, and globalization. We mentioned a european country that has started a pilot study program, others who voted against it, and still others who insist that there should be universal implementation in the face of widespread joblessness of the future generation. Still others have entertained this for third world countries if future exodus to rich countries is to be avoided.

            Now, if a third world country like kenya can not afford to carry the economic burden and some multinational wants to cover the expenses, it makes no difference. The aim is how to make the future generation beneficiaries of automation, and that joblessness will not be the cause of human suffering and social upheaval.

            The beneficiaries of ubi or minimum guaranteed income in european pilot study are ordinary jobless people in society, and not an isolated group of people. They are given a certain minimum basic income for that period of study even if they enter the job market, and conclusions will be drawn at the end of the study period, as to its effect on individuals, its impact on society and the amount needed. The aim is not to study human behavior, but how to create a normal, peaceful society of the future, and how to make members of society beneficiaries of automation and not its victims due to joblessness.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            The answer is not managing permanent under class people (under UBI). The answer is population growth control. And one way or the other, world population growth will be controlled to equal available resources.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SemT,
            That is the issue though – of and on itself: is the availability of resources defnite or scaleable?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            The size of our planet and the available resources for human beings are finite. That is a fact. Human population could grow only to the level of available resources.

            The coordinates of the graph – where peak Human population size meets available resources (which is variable) – would be determined by availability of food supply. Meaning, population will grow only to a level of available food for consumption.

            If rich big and powerful countries want to gobble the available resources of the world with the intent to increase their population size and to increase the size of resources they control, they can do that. And UBI in Kenya by global corporations could be the beginning.

            That’s why I’m nervous about this project.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi again SemT,
            (It is actually pleasantly interesting you and I are discussing a universal issue.)
            That seems from the school of the priest popn prof (Multhus). But what would you say to a scientific argument whereby the view is, yes, resources can be seen as finite in terms of what and where they are but are infinite in terms of what and where they can be, accounting for, MMP, machinations of mass production – a mirror concept of WMD?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat Adem

            Hayat: nothing personal sis – I enjoy conversing with you as well – ok some times. Now….

            Not quiet Malthusian but may be close in some ways. Now, back to the main argument. The core of the UBI argument is – due to automation millions of unemployable people will end-up living on government handouts all their life – may be even for generations.

            And this is my argument: There won’t be such thing as PERMANENTLY UNEMPLOYABLE people – either they are going to earn a living or they will die.

            No matter how rich a country is, and no matter how socialist the government is, it is not affordable and it is not politically acceptable for any government to shelter, feed, take care (medially)…… for millions of UNEMPLOYABLE citizens for generations. And no matter how many in number (the billionaires) and no matter how generous in taxes (the billionaire class) are – they will not shelter, feed……. millions unemployable under class people.

            If they couldn’t find any work for them, they sure will arm them to liberate (invade) smaller, weaker, poorer nations that posses attractive resources.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere T.

            Why do you put on the same level the so-called underclass people (the marginalized, who survive at the fringes of society) with the working class, who may not be able to sell its labor, because human labor will be replaced by automation. It is said that about 40% of jobs in the usa will be lost to automation in the coming 20yrs. In the last 15 yrs most of the jobs lost in the usa were due to automation in comparison to the jobs outsourced. Therefore, Trumps story of “i will bring back jobs” is simply a myth.

            There is a limit to population growth. Human beings are not going to step on each due to unavailability of space. Statisticians tell us that birth and death will reach an equilibrium at a lower level (less children will be born and less people will die for a given period of time). When world population level off at about 10.5bn and technology revolutionizes agricultural production, I think that there will be enough resources to sustain life.

            I do not understand why you brought the ethiopian population as an example. May be it is the usual story, ethiopians will die out due to famine. Do not worry, still there will be enough ethiopians around.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Horizon,

            The real question as you put it: “is automation going to serve the mass or the few billionaire and millionaries?” The selfish individualistic and insatiable human desire will not answer it pragmatically. They will bring all kind of excuses until they finally collied with the inevitable realities. It is almost knocking their comfort zones. The era of automation is coming in few decades.The 2008 crises of market economy was the signs of the inevitable.

            Regards

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Semere Tesfai,

        Man loves the right of possession. If he acquired one million he will work for the second million and so on to the end of his life. Ubi will release man from fear of joblessness and starvation; therefore, he will think freely unparalyzed by any authority to achieve his dreams. Fessahassein is basking in his Stone Age.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Amde and thanks for the comments on an interesting subject. There are already a number of service providers on the African continent that are involved in Cash Based Tranfers/Mobile Money/Mobile Wallets to provide Protective Social Safety Nets. Vodaphone’s M-Pesa was one of the first to get involved in this area in 2007 in Kenya and Tanzania. The United Nations WFP & UNHCR as well as several international NGOs are now involved in mobile money instead of providing food as a gift-in-kind. There were discussions with the Eritrean Government a couple years back in regards to possibly providing mobile money to targeted vulnerable populations but it could not proceed as the Government desired too much control over beneficiary targeting and related monitoring.

  • Nitricc

    Hey Amde, so are you saying the rule of law is unacceptable for Ethiopia rulers? you are saying the current government nor the incoming one is not going to respect the international ruling. well, thanks for coming clean. I used to think you have few civilized and educated people in your country who understand the rule of law and peaceful existence, according your take, I guess not and Now, I know why your country is where it is.

  • Paulos

    Selam Amde,

    That is an Ivy League caliber closing argument where hung-jury is out of the question. You nailed it!

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Amdachin,

    “Focusing on Badme is playing with illusions.”

    This is very interesting headache. I can’t think of a clear cut sequence of events the day after Ethiopia vacates Badme. In the absence of a process of normalcy, Eritrea will claim “the threat is still intact” and will continue with its Sawa project, and Ethiopia will point at Sawa and claim “Eritrea is not interested in lasting peace” and the misery continues.

    The remaining two scenarios I can think of are as follows:

    1. If Eritrea manages to pressure EEBC guarantors enough to pressure Ethiopia to comply (unlikely, at least, in the foreseeable future), PFDJ will even be in a greater danger, because TPLF/EPRDF will be rushed into “I have nothing to lose” mind set and it will openly pressure and heavily arm the opposition, maybe even march along with it, and either manage to remove PFDJ or wreak havoc in the attempt. Therefore, everybody is kept busy and life continues as is for another generation.

    2. If the talks and the withdrawals take place concurrently and both sides are satisfied with the outcome, say for example, Ethiopia gets the face saver Asab/Massawa usage for free or semi-free, and it reciprocates the favor by getting rid of the opposition among other incentives, both will bring Sudan into the fold effortlessly, TPLF/PFDJ will save their skins, but all oppositions fall in a serious peril (this may be the chip number 2 TPLF and PFDJ are gambling with).

    It makes sense if both governments are indeed gambling with the status quo and hopping the other will fold first.
    aye hizbey!

    • Amde

      Selam Dottore Fanti,

      Interesting scenarios.

      I don’t think scenario #1 is anywhere close to being on the horizon.

      I would say scenario #2 is definitely desirable for the selfish interests of both and more importantly ACHIEVABLE for both. I don’t know what level of internal resistance there will be in Tigray, but that is the point of the negotiations. Your point on what this will do to the opposition is well taken. I am for political plurality in general, so I say this with much sadness.

      But so far, it looks like both sides have signed on for the dance to the death. They will definitely keep us entertained

      Amde

  • Paulos

    Folks,

    Don’t you get tired of the demarcation thing? It is unbearably boring. Particularly Semere Tesfay, the man who is Bill Murray in “Groundhog Day” where calling Semere a monolog is doing a disservice to a broken record. Please lay the demarcation thing off till it comes back on its own.

    • Amde

      Selam Paulos,

      Riddle me this…

      Why does a dog chew an old bone?

      ..hhhhmmmm….?

      It is comfort food… absolutely devoid of nutrients… but full of the sentiments of yesteryear glories….

      Amde

      • Paulos

        Selam Amde,

        Good one! Probably as they say old habits die hard.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Paulos and thanks for the interesting apology. Say that tables were turned, with Eritrea illegally occupying Ethiopia following a bloody war which resulted in the loss of tens-of-thousands-of-lives, would you still be OK with simply dissing ‘the demarcation thing off till it comes back on its own’ by citing a 1993 American comedy movie?

      • Paulos

        Selam Blue Asmara,

        Sure I would still be ok with that.

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Paulos and noted. You then are simply making a mockery of thousands of lives lost on each side of the border in the name of a comedy film.

          • Paulos

            Selam Blue Asmara,

            I am making “fun” of the people who got their priorities messed up. And angry at the man-Isaias who started the war in the first place which caused the death of thousands of Eritreans.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P regardless how many times you repeat the lie “Isayas started the war” still remains a lie. it is your dead midget who came out and announce to the whole world that he is attacking Eritrea. I know you are for the dedebits but you can’t do it at the expense of the truth.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Don’t be selective, you accepted the border commission ruling its entirely. The same document says Eritrea (your master DIA) started the war. What can we do with people like, it is so worrisome!! I just don’t understand how you process things in your little mind……………

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            The envelope was sealed and delivered with a verdict that said Isaias’ pathetic sorry azz was found guilty for staring the war. That is da fact and deal with it.

  • Hayat Adem

    Of and about Blue Asmara.
    Hello Friends,
    I am liking this guy. He is different and he is focused. One more adjective, he is so patient. How many of us would write again and again the same entry line every time we throw a comment. Blue would unfailingly start his response, “thank you for your interesting comments.” and continue to what he wants to say. Does he have a robot that writes for him the first part of his feed and he takes over half way? But it is not just his style that is so dogged, also his focal points are.
    Last time, i asked him consciously “how much responsible he thinks IA is for the massive misery of Eritreans?”. His answer was short and very conclusive when he responded ” A Lot”. But, it seems he didn’t mean it. It appears as if he threw that word to try to make us see him as a balanced person. How do I know? Because that is the only word he said about Eritreans’ pains under the makings of IA. And he said it in response to a query and he left it there, and went back to ritual: hammering redundant points related to the sanctions, badime, borders, somalia etc..
    This article is based on IA’s interview. The interview itself dwells much into Eritrean affairs and the failed projects. IA said nothing on the border, he said little on the sanction… Blue came out of the blue and inundated this forum with badime border sanction somalia. Disqus tells us as of few minutes ago, there were 450 comments to this article. 50 (10%) of them came from one person- Blue Asmara. None of his comments dealt with what IA spoke about, or with what the article dealt, or with what matters most for Eritreans and Eritrea.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Hayat Adem and Hello Friend back to you also! As Ronald Reagan would say: ‘Read my lips’ -plain and simple- Irrespective of whether an evil dictatorial PIA regime is, or is not, in control of the Eritrea’s Government, Ethiopia simply has no legal justification for continuing to illegally occupy Eritrean land.

      • Peace!

        Hi Blue Asmera,

        The thing with Hayat Adem is that she gets severely irritated every time the name “Eritrea” and its heros mentioned, and has failed to diminish Eritrean identity despite her relentless effort for the last few year(s). Perhaps she is now too exhausted to pay attention to substance rather as you can see she is more into paragraph structure and quality of salutation to check for deception. Remember this is coming from Eritrean Muslim Woman:):)

        Peace!

  • Hayat Adem

    Amde, what a delight to read you. You are full of fresh beans. There is always an added dimension to your takes. This one above is a good example.

    I would suspect IA knows very well that “badime irob border” are easier to settle with tplf than with non-tplf, or with old tplf than with new tplf, or sooner than later. but that is not how IA thinks or operates.
    I say IA’s focus is fixated on the following two: for him bestbest scenario is chaos in ethiopia, leastbest is sustaining the status quo.
    Of course, there is nothing positive or win-win in any of the two, none whatsoever for eritrea none whatsoever for ethiopia.
    Also, achievability is another question. What puzzles me to death is what his supporters see in all this. Look at awatistas like SemereT. I can give him 24 full hours to lecture and hector me on this, and I can be sure he can’t tell me anything other than his repeated slogans “ethio should leave; final and binding, …”
    In 2037, IA at 90 and SemereT at 83 would still be repeating those slogans with a dying vocality. Where will ethio-eritrea be at 2037?

    • Abi

      Hi Queen
      At last year 2037!
      The New Generation of Eritreans will finally figure out the independence hoax was the best practical joke of the 20th country. By then All the orchestrators of the independence hoax will be dead or in a nursing homes and assisted living facilities playing with their dentures and fighting with their depend ( adult diapers) instead of preaching independence hoax.
      May 24, 2037 The New Generation of Eritreans will be back to Mama Ethiopia with no baggage of independence hoax.
      This is my prediction.
      Ok! Deqi Eri, you can shoot in Three Two One Go!!

      • sara

        dEAR ato Abi,
        this time i beg to differ with your prediction, you know i am for all what you think and write about Eritrea and Eritreans but this…NO! over my xxxxx xxxx as i will still be around….unlike those you mentioned.

        • Abi

          Hi sara
          ” If two people agree all the time, one is not thinking “.
          Well sara, my prediction is against my wish. Tell me your prediction not your wish.

          • sara

            ato Abi
            well, i don’t have to predict it obvious where we are going to be by that time…
            eritrea will be part of the greater arab/muslim nation….we call it Al- umaa.
            not with mama as you alluded.

          • Abi

            sariti arabiyan tsebuqti😳
            That is just beautiful! I love to see an Arabized Eritrea!!! You totally deserved it. You struggled for it. You died for it. It was a long way from Cairo to Asmara. Victory at last!
            I’m totally fine if my prediction is wrong. You know what you always wanted.

            sariti, coffea arabica?
            I’m always ready.

    • Amde

      Selam Hayat,

      Thank you for the very kind words.

      I think myself Isayyas’ bestbest scenario is going back to 91-97 (stable Ethiopia controlled by groups completely servile to his wishes, with complete access to Ethiopian politics, policy and governance ). But that ship sailed a looong time ago, and I don’t see a scanario of it ever coming back.

      Is there a scenario where Eritrea is happy with a frosty normalization with Ethiopia, with the border issue set aside to be solved over a long negotiation behind the scenes? Personally, I think it is possible – and more importantly – quite possible with a new face on the throne in Asmara. There is probably a large faction of TPLF happy to have a relationship with EPLFDJ to secure the Tigrayan northern flank and their dominant position within Ethiopian politics. Basically, they also want to go back to 91-97, except they want to be the dominant party. I was joking when I suggested Badme as the capital of the AgAziyan Republic, but AgAziya does not exist in a vacuum … 91-97 showed us what it could be like. The TPLF vs EPLFDJ relationship probably still has many warm embers that just need to be fanned a bit. The only thing I see in the way is Isayyas’ ego, which can’t stand to be a junior partner to TPLF.

      I agree the mystery are his supporters especially in the west. What is worrisome is that the regime has figured out how to sustain the model that keeps them in power. Let the discontents leave, secure state/party finances through resource extraction, continue to play in the region’s politics. So, given current trends, I don’t see why 2037 won’t be similar to 2027, which will not be that much different from 2020.. Or Eritreans can be lucky and he will croak (or lose his faculties) soon.

      Amde

      • Abi

        Amdachin
        Every breathing weyane/TPLF/ Ethiopia hater Eritrean wants to go back to 91-97.
        I don’t believe them for a second when they talk about Badme. Life continues with or without Badme . They miss owning Ethiopia . They miss milking the cows. Life in Eritrea is with life-support ever since 97. They all knew (although they pretended) that IA has always been a tyrant. They tolerated him without making any noise as long as he was facilitating the looting of Ethiopia.
        I’m still searching to find an article that was written by a known Eritrean elite/scholar regarding the illegal activities of the Eritrean government in Ethiopia in those years.
        I’m challenging all the big guys of Awatistas to come up with their articles that they wrote denouncing the looting in those years.
        “ካዩኝ ስቄ ፣ ካላዩኝ ሰርቄ ”

        • Nitricc

          Hey Abi, your hate and ignorance is in full display. I am sorry, Ethiopia can’t even feed her self let alone to be looted by anyone. why can’t you feed your self then and then you can brag about being taken advantage. God have mercy; take it easy man. the worst combinations are hate and ignorance and you are suffering from both.

          • Abi

            Hi General Nitricc
            Long time no talk. I kind of missed you:)
            Protecting mine is not hating others.
            Telling the truth is not ignorance.
            Challenge me on both. You have one year to prove me wrong.
            There is an article by SGJ written about 2-3 years back that helps you to see what I’m talking about. Enjoy reading.
            Toothless.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi; i don’t you understand the whole picture? Not only you looted Eritrea for 30 years but bleed to death. now, you have the nerve to talk and complain because EPLF bought a couple killos of coffee? SJ is an opposition and he going to write anything to get to PIA so, there is no surprise there. speaking of SJ, when he told you the eye witnessed massacre of Eritreans by your stupid solders, not only you refute it but you never showed any kind of remorse and human compassion to the Innocent slaughtered people of Una. yet, when SJ writes anything that will undermine PIA you believe him? wow. Again you are displaying hate. one thing is for sure; Eritrea is turn the corner and gone for good!

          • Abi

            Hi General
            I don’t need anybody’s eye witness. I lived it. I saw you looting. The article I mentioned is for your reference.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abi; okay what is the way out and what is the plane going forward? tell me what is in your mind and the solution. obviously, forget and forgive is not on your vocabulary. now what?

      • “i think myself isayyas’ bestbest scenario is going back to 91-97 (stable ethiopia controlled by groups completely servile to his wishes, with complete access to ethiopian politics, policy and governance ). But that ship sailed a looong time ago, and I don’t see a scenario of it ever coming back.”
        Dear Amde, nobody could describe those years of humiliation better than you. I would have liked to add ethiopian economy to the list.
        These were the years that brought the present situation. If the divorce had been on the basis of mutual respect and accommodation of the needs of both countries, we would have not been where we are today.
        I am sure ethiopians will never allow history to be repeated. Ethiopians and eritreans will one day realize that their fate is intertwined, but future relations will never ever be the same with that of the period 91-97.

  • Abraham H.

    Selamat Forum, so as we see it today, the border issue is staying dormant, both sides seeming not to care or show interest in resolving it. I don’t know how much the cost is to the Ethiopian side though it may not be hard to figure out it is mainly the northern parts of Ethiopia that are directly or indirectly adversely affected by unresolved border dispute. On the Eritrean side there is no doubt the regime there is exploiting the issue to inflict astronomical suffering on its people. As someone here has said it, the border case is just a single symptom of the overall disagreement between the two govts; and it can as such not be solved unless the two sides have the political will to overcome their differences and mend their relations. And the genuine interest in repairing the relationship has to come from both sides if there is going to be a fruitfull outcome. When both sides are engaged in political war of attrition of either us or them, there is little hope for this border impasse to be resolved.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Abraham H.

      1. – “As we see it today, the border issue is staying dormant, both sides seeming not to care or show interest in resolving it.”

      Abraham: When you blame both the Addis and the Asmara governments EQUALLY for the failure of the Ethio-Eritrean border demarcation, you’re not doing service to the TRUTH, you’re not doing justice to the Eritrean and Ethiopian people, you’re not doing justice to the men and women of many governments and agencies who worked hard to bring the Ethio-Eritrean border to its final conclusion.

      The Ethio-Eritrean border issue is long concluded. We Eritreans know exactly where our borders starts and ends. Ethiopians know exactly where their borders starts and ends. And the whole world knows exactly where Ethio-Eritrean borders starts and ends. There is nothing left to it except physical demarcation (putting poles on the ground). And there is nothing wrong waiting (we Eritreans) for the physical demarcation, until Ethiopia lives-up to is end of the bargain. The are a million things we could blame the PFDJ regime for, but not demarcating the Ethio-Eritrean border is not one of them.

      2. – The Ethio-Eritrean border END PRODUCT (ruling) that you see today is a result of a LENGTHY PROCESS that took years in the making. This lengthy process was done by competent career diplomats, negotiators, politicians, leaders with DECADES of border negotiation skills and experiences under their belt. The time, the place, the agendas of every shuttle diplomacy, every minute of a subject of discussion, every proposal, and every agreement signed at each level of the process is recorded and documented.

      DURING THE LENGTHY PROCESS, ETHIOPIA HAD A MILLION OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK, TO DISAGREE, TO AMEND, TO REJECT, EVEN TO WALK AWAY FROM THE NEGOTIATION. BUT IT DIDN’T. IT WILLINGLY APPROVED EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS AND IT WILLINGLY SIGNED THE FINAL PRODUCT.

      The point: Every step of the process was done by competent professionals, career diplomats, negotiators, and government officials. Everything is recorded and documented.

      THE RULES AND MECHANISMS THAT WERE PLACED THEN, DON’T ALLOW ANY WIGGLE ROOM FOR ANY PARTY TO MISINTERPRET OR DENY – THE PROCESS OR THE FINAL PRODUCT.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Semre T., I think I’m doing justice to both peoples when I point to the fact that the two regimes, in order to satisfy their political agendas against each other, they are holding hostage the good neighborly relations. The border case is but one aspect of their dysfunctional relations. Yes, I agree, the border issue is a settled one, at least on paper, and hence there is no need of holding the people, esp. on the Eritrean side hostage in order to justify an iron fist rule by the PFDJ. It is also true for you and me we can wait as long as it takes because we are not directly affected and we are enjoying our rights and freedoms in other people’s countries. But for those Eritreans under the Isayas regime life has become unbearable and are voting with their feet to get out of their strangulation, where the border issue is used as excuse.
        My question to you is, if you were responsible to handle the border what would you have done to resolve the impasse? We’ve already waited 15 years in limbo; the Ethiopians would not withdraw without negotiation and the international community has not followed on their responsibility to punish the Ethiopians for not abiding with the ruling unconditionally.
        My position would be to demarcate those parts of the border where there is no disagreement, and find a negotiated solution to the parts where there is disagreement/ which are said to be a tiny part of the border. Remember the Ethiopians had agreed to demarcate the eastern sector of the border that comprises ca. half of the border without any reservation. So demarcating this portion was one positive step in the right direction, but the PFDJ wouldn’t agree. But, above all, my postion would be to show political maturity and statesmanship to sit round the table to solve any disagreements with the objective of finding a normal relationship for the benefit of both peoples.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Abraham H.

          1. – The so called Ethio-Eritrean “border” conflict was never about border to begin with. It was about many other issues – to secure Ethiopia’s unfettered access to the Red Sea, to tame the EPLF/PFDJ/GoE regime to live to its size, to quell and appease internal anti-Eritrean political unrest inside Ethiopia, to punish Eritrea (not to reward Eritrea) for seceding, to settle old scores (EPLF TPLF), to incorporate some Eritrean territories into Tigray and to resettle the areas with Tigreans……

          All these and more with a Kellyanne Conway Bowling Green Massacre type stories to demonize Eritrean and Eritreans and all believing – without Ethiopia’s goodwill, Eritrea is unviable state. All believing Eritrea without Ethiopia’s market and help, its economy will collapse in a month…. Which some Ethiopians still believe that.

          And this is the question to the Eritreans who want us to believe border flexibility, compromise, negotiation…. on our part is what would eventually lead to demarcation and good friendship between Eritrea and Ethiopia. If the Ethio-Eritrean “border” war was never about the border (which many Ethiopians will tell you), then how could you solve the Ethio-Eritrean problem by discussing or reasoning with Ethiopia on border issues? You can’t.

          2. – And there is this question that is asked by fair minded people from both sides of the border. Why don’t we have a comprehensive talk – border, ports, trade, economic integration, security arrangements…..? And the answer is very simple. Why should we entangle our border demarcation with other complex issues? Why should we renegotiate a border ruling that we both agreed and signed-on as a final and binding? Why should we allow our border demarcation ruling, to be a hostage of other unrelated issues? If the Ethiopian government was interested in adding rider(s) into the border negotiation then –

          1. – THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE ENTERED INTO A SINGLE ISSUE NEGOTIATION (BORDER) WITH ERITREA.

          2. – THEY SHOULD HAVE INSISTED BORDER NEGOTIATION TO BASED ON EX AEQUO ET BONO AS A CENTRAL LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO SETTLE THE ETHIO-ERITREAN BORDER ISSUE.

          3. – THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE AGREED THE WHOLE BORDER DELIMITATION AND DEMARCATION, TO BE RULED AND THEN IMPLEMENTED SOLELY ON COLONIAL BOUNDARIES AND COLONIAL TREATIES (1900, 1902 and 1908).

          But, throughout the whole process, the Ethiopian government didn’t raise any of these issues. In fact, it was the Ethiopian government (I’m willing to be corrected) that accepted the border ruling publicly (with large crowd celebrating on the streets of Addis) for the whole world to see/hear.

          Now, during the final phase of the implementation (demarcation) they can’t move the goalpost – and still be right.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere T., you’ve not answered my question as to how you would proceed taking into consideration the deadlocked situation. Anyway, we all agree that the border case is just one aspect of the various disagreements between the two sides. Hence my position is let’s put the border issue aside for the time being, (after all it is an internationally settled one with some minor disgareements) and sit down to find a solution to the other outstanding issues. We have nothing to lose from giving it a try. If we suceed on those talks, well and good, if not we can just move on. If there is a genuine political will from both sides to mend their overall relations, by taking more trust building measures, then they could reach at a comprehensive bilateral agreements that could eventually make it easy to solve the border issue.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham H

            “How you would proceed taking into consideration the deadlocked situation”

            Abraham: I said this before (many times) and let me repeat it again. ኢትዮጵያውያን: ፈትዮምናን ደንጊጾምልናን ኣይኮኑን ካብ መሬትና ዝወጹ:: ምስ ኮርኮሖም ‘ዮም ዝወጹ:: ቀደም’ውን: ፈትዮምና ‘ኮ ኣይኮኑን ካብ መሬትና ወጺኦም::

            We will hear a lot of threats and intimidation from their government officials and from their gun-toting elites. They will do everything in their power to bleed us, to starve us, to isolate us, and to justify their illegal occupation of our territories. Nothing new there.

            But to answer your question directly, the way we get our lands back is very simple. We fight them allying ourselves with governments and people that share our policies and interests. And there many people and many governments that share our policies and interest in our region. They know it, and we know it.

            We don’t need Ethiopia to survive. Had our survival depended on Ethiopia, we would’ve been long wiped-out (extinct) from the face of this planet. We don’t need to trade with Ethiopia to prosper. For every penny we get by trading with Ethiopia, we can get a dollar by trading with our other neighbors. No war no peace will hurt them more that it does to us. I hope I answered your question.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amde

            Selam Semere,

            “But to answer your question directly, the way we get our lands back is very simple. We fight them allying ourselves with governments and people that share our policies and our interests. ”

            “No war no peace will hurt them more that it does to us.”

            So…has Isayyas heard of this ingenious plan of yours?

            ወይ ጉድ

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            የሠመረ ተስፋይ ጉድ አያልቅም::
            If I understood him correctly when he refer to Eritreans he means to those in diaspora.

          • Amde

            Selam Abi,

            “…when he refer to Eritreans he means to those in diaspora. ..”

            That actually is the only way his recommendation makes any kind of sense.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi and Amde,

            “…when he refer to Eritreans he means to those in diaspora. ..” I beg you to deffer, he is actually talking to no body in real sense because if he is serious about what he is blubbering he would not be talking but leading and that starts by putting himself in the Sawa military training center. Old people like him are taking a refreshment military training as we speak and he together with his sons and daughters must join them. I tell yo what, Semere T is the most coward person in the earth. I can also tell you that he is selfish in asking others to die for him and his family.

          • Hi Semere T.,
            You came twice with the Italian colonizers as Ascaris, and you are waiting to come this time with the Arabs. This shows your frustration and dia’s inability to do anything by himself. Where are young eritreans who are ready to die for an Arab cause? They are leaving the land in their thousands every month. They have lost trust in dia and the pfdl, and be sure they will not heed your outrageous call. You are ready to gamble eritrea and it’s people for the sake of an arid piece of land. No, it is not about badme, it is all about your ego. God save eritrea and it’s people from the grip of DIA/PFDJ and their supporters for they are a big liability.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon and thanks for your comment. Yes I agree with you in that I cannot understand why Ethiopia wishes to seal itself-off from Eritrean Ports by giving so much value to that arid piece of land which it illegally occupies and by doing so, cause thousands of its El Nino effected populations not to receive timely humanitarian assistance; must be that Ethiopian ego thing that you are referring to.

          • Selam Blue Asmara,
            You fail to understand that badme and assab are much more eritrean problems than ethiopian. You people are stuck with badme, for the sake of which everything has stopped functioning in eritrea, and you got nothing out of assab until recently, and nobody knows how long the income from assab is going to continue in this geopolitically unstable region.

            As much as ethiopia is concerned djibouti has more or less made ethiopia not to look at all towards assab. The new electric train when fully functional will change ethiopia’s trade with the rest of the world, and the billions of dollars expansion works taking place at djibouti port and its environs will further minimized, if not nullify the importance of assab to ethiopia in the future. Port sudan and barbara are already handling ethiopian imports, and in the future the port of lamu in kenya will be another outlet for ethiopia when ethiopia and kenya are connected by railways and roads. You see, the ball is in eritrea’s court, The train (the truck, whatever) left assab in 1998, never to return. Think about it.

            Does the love affair between ethiopia and djibouti mean anything? Unlike dia, who is proud to speak arabic and yet despises the language of a country who tried to educate him although he could not succeed, the president of djibouti speaks the ethiopian language, invests in the ethiopian economy and his people do not see ethiopia and ethiopians as their enemy. Why shouldn’t then ethiopia choose djibouti and the other ports mentioned, and why should ethiopia spend time and money on assab? Ethiopia has the right not to use assab ever, if she wants to. Short of goodwill and friendship, there is nothing eritrea can do.

            Finally, as much as el nino is concerned, ethiopia will try to use her rivers for irrigation, unless of course Semere T. comes with egyptians to fight ethiopia not to use her rivers.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon and thanks for your interesting comments. Ethiopia has no choice other than to cuddle up and rely upon Djibouti as its main servicing port and of course Djibouti will therefor cater to all of Ethiopia’s whims. Your new electric train is already economically derailed as the Ethiopian Government cannot pay 180 billion birr that it had taken as loan for the TPLF White Elephant project. Berbera port has minimal capacity and remains security suspect. Port Sudan mostly been used for fertilizer movement at exaggerated tariffs and can only service limited western parts of Ethiopia. Lame port rail connections is still several years away and has not secured necessary financing. Fact is that last year many El Niño effected vulneravble Ethiopians died simply because Ethiopia did not have access to Eritrean ports. Ethiopia’s population is now growing by almost 5 million per year and the situation will only get worse.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            Semere T is tending his thirsty camels at Assab.

          • Abraham H.

            ሓው ሰመረ ተስፋይ፥ ናይ ኲናት ፈኸራ ደኣ ኢሳያስ ከማን ቀደም ዝገደፎ። ደጊመ ዘይስንኻ ሑጻ ቆርጥመሉ ኣይትግበሮ ክብለካ ይደሊ።

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham H

            Now it is your turn. What would you do to get our occupied territories back?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere, you can find my answer in my previous replies to you.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham H

            So what would do if take Assab?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere, Asseb is in Eritrean hands and it has never been disputed.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham H

            “Asseb is in Eritrean hands and it has never been disputed.”

            They signed Federal Agreement, but in no time they abrogated the agreement they signed. We said no, they bled us for thirty years – tens of thousands dead and maimed, millions in refugee camps.

            They blessed our sovereignty and our territorial integrity in front of the whole wide world in 1991, only to come back seven years later to bleed us – under the guise of border dispute.

            They signed border agreement in front of the whole wide world, but before the inc was dry, they refused to abide to the very agreement they signed.

            Now, when you said “Asseb” is not disputed – was our Federal Agreement with disputed? Was the “final and binding” border ruling they signed and the process that got us to that ruling disputed? What makes Asseb different? Aren’t we dealing with the same people?

            By the way, Badme is as Eritrean as Assab. Badme is as Eritrean as Asmara. May be you’re not sure in your head, but Eritreans and Ethiopians are, the world community is.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Hi Semere Goitay
            You worried about Assab while the whole country is in a sad situation?
            The other day you told me Assab is taken by the Arabs. You seem to forget things. Change your Namenda with Aricept. It might work.
            እድሜ ዘልዛላው ያዋርድሃል:: ወንድሜን!

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            If losing over 19000 is like nothing for Semere T. What can you say? “Zei’sinika hutsa kortu’Molu eu koinu neger” We can only say DIA thought as a really good lesson, but we have gotten smarter now. No one is food and that is the sign for youth departure in droves and leaving the nation for the kinds Semere T.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Thomas, “…leaving the nation for the kinds Semere T.”, I disagree, the kinds of Semere would never put themselves and their loved ones in harm’s way. They would rather warmonger from their safe havens thousands of miles away.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            I agree but I would call it a strategic retreat from these hyenas:) It is unfortunately their time, we trusted them so much as such we have to pay for it.

          • sara

            Bxay Abraha,
            Eza comment abrahaya..
            Tegrnya kha kebeduna…

          • Millennium

            Hi Semere Tesfai:

            I started writing a comment and then saw what you wrote here. I could not have said it better.

            Millennium

        • Amde

          Selam Abraham H.

          Just quoting you:
          “My position would be to demarcate those parts of the border where there is no disagreement, and find a negotiated solution to the parts where there is disagreement/ which are said to be a tiny part of the border. Remember the Ethiopians had agreed to demarcate the eastern sector of the border that comprises ca. half of the border without any reservation. ”

          This was literally the proposal Melles put forward. It would have resolved Badme and Assab in Eritrea’s favor, against Ethiopia’s interests. All Melles wanted was to negotiate on the central sector so as to avoid political damage to the TPLF from its core constituency. Remember, TPLF is primarily a northern Tigray entity, and the central sector is ALL northern Tigray land.

          This is why Isayyas is like Shylock (thank you Saay) – he is more interested in getting his pound of flesh (i.e. damaging TPLF) – than in resolving the border issue.

          Amde

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amde, I never heard that the Meles led Ethiopian gov had raised any claims towards Asseb, something that I missed? Regarding Isayas, he is someone who thrives in chaos and lawlessness, so it is hard to believe he would exert any meaningful effort to normalize relations.

          • Amde

            Selam Abraham,

            I don’t know if I miswrote it or you misunderstood it.

            But Melles had said that he had no problem with settling the border issue in the western sector (roughly Badme and the plains to the Sudanese border,), and the eastern sector (basically the Red Sea strip) as decided by EEBC. He just wanted to have negotiation on the central sector (roughly beween Badme and the start of the Red Sea strip.)

            I understood that to be exactly your proposal as well.

            I have yet to hear how many Tigrayans would be affected in the Central Sector. (1,000 ? 10,000? 100,000?) Each number is plausible, considering the population density in the highlands. And that is even without taking the political black eye into consideration.

            The lesson here is: Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

            Isayyas won’t normalize. It is just strange to see his supporters support the logic of his choices, knowing what we know now.

            Amde

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Amde, yesterday I was reading one of the last reports of the Border Commision where they wrote that both govts had agreed to the border posts to be errected along the Eastern sector, the Ethiopians refused to proceed demarcating the Western and Central sectors before addressing some concerns they had. The Eritrean gov insisted all the sectors to be demarcaated simultaneously. If I’m not mistaken, there was some kind of land swap in the Central sector around Zalambesa and Tserona after the sides expressed their concerns to the Border Commision. So if they could swap lands in this area there was no reason why they couldn’t do it somewhere else. I think the main problem which was hard to swallow for the TPLF leadership was the loss of Badme to Eritrea. As we know this town as the flash point of the conflict was the symbol of the whole conflict. For the outside observer the two sides were fighting basically over this border village. As such the party that won Badme, it also won the conflict for the outside observer. This was a very high political price to pay for the TPLF leadership to accept in front of their people.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abraham, look where you are saying when trying to appease the anti Eritrean people at the cost of the truth. There one right thing to do, that is TPLF to the out and demarcate the border.
            “Remember the Ethiopians had agreed to demarcate the eastern sector of the border that comprises ca. half of the border without any reservation. So demarcating this portion was one positive step in the right direction, but the PFDJ wouldn’t agree”

            AND

            “they wrote that both govts had agreed to the border posts to be errected along the Eastern sector, the Ethiopians refused to proceed demarcating the Western and Central sectors before addressing some concerns they had

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Nitricc, yes, the report said both sides accepted the border posts for the Eastern sector; Ethiopia was willing to proceed with demarcation on the ground in the east, but Eritrea, though they had accepted the posts, they wouldn’t allow demarcation unless the two other sectors were demarcated simultaneously.

          • Amde

            Selam Abraham,

            You may be right, but my perception is that the Central Sector is where adjustments will mean more population displacements than anywhere else. That would cause more (to date avoidable) headaches than

            The town of Badme itself won’t cause too much in displacement. I can tell you most Ethiopians will be slightly disappointed but would forget about it in a week – everybody knows the nature of the decision and that it was TPLF’s decision to go with strictly colonial treaties/maps that doomed it from the get go. It might be a problem for TPLF’s internal politics and the military brass. But that’s it.

            But outside observers twenty years later? Unlikely. Remember Badme happened before 9-11 and ISIS. Before Putin became president. It is a completely different world. We are talking about a world where Ethiopia is part of the established order, and Eritrea keeps trying to play spoiler.

            Amde

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Amde, as we know the border was decided on the colonial treaties and applicable international law, considering issues of administration, etc. Settlement patterns had evolved so much through all the decades that passed until the delimitation decision was given. Hence, it was natural to see the border line cutting across villages, or placing some villages on the wrong side of the border. As such it was also in the interest of the Eritrean side to make the necessary minor adjustments for the benefit of those people that might be affected, but as always the PFDJ regime is not concerned about the well being of its people.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            Melles didn’t claim for Asseb nor was he against demarcation, at least in his last position. What became a stumbling block was the Issayas regime does not want to talk with them. And without talking with your adversaries you could not come to a peaceful solution. Talking does not change the verdict of the court, unless both governments wanted to make adjustment to address the concern of the people of both sides of the river who live in the borders, which the document allows them if they want.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abraham,

          Other than your rational approach to the issue, “common sense” running your mind. I applaud you for that. You have it and keep it that rational mind. Issayas and his supporters do not want to resolve the border, for the border issue becomes the tactic for staying in power.

          regards

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat and thanks for your interesting comment. While I do respect the views of Abraham H, your take on ‘rationality’ in regards to the Badme issue is indeed off the mark. ‘Rationality’ would require that the basic problem be broken down in independent parts, rank ordered in terms of independent-variable importance and then to develop an accordant remedial strategy/solution predicated on facts. Neutrally angled, however way you cut it, the solution is 20-20 clear and requires Ethiopia to withdraw from Eritrean held territories for which it illegally occupies. Governance of Eritrea and Ethiopia’s illegality in regards to Badme as clearly separate issues. Your hate of PIA consumes you to the point that your are effectively rendered irrational.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Semere Tesfai,

        This is a well thought out argument, and I agree with everything you said. I have some questions though.

        Although, as you put it, the border is well known to both sides, there is no physical marker as a reference to tell whoever is on the wrong side, obviously Ethiopia in this case, to please “move a little farther away.”

        The town is too close to the border, so what exactly would be the physical manifestation of an actual withdrawal by Ethiopia?

        Mind you, I am not having any illusion about Ethiopia’s stubbornness in this issue, but don’t you think that demarcation should take precedence under these circumstances?

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Fanti Ghana

          Yes you are right, the border is very hard to see if you are an ordinary person (Ethiopian or Eritrean). There are to reference points. Point A – the coordinates being the confluence at May-Anbesa and Mereb Rivers and point B – the coordinates being at the confluence of Tekeze and Meiteb(?) Rivers. The distance from point A to point B is 20-30 Kms (I’m guessing). And the border is a straight line from point A to point B passing through arid plain.

          The governments (Ethiopian and Eritrean) would know the exact border because they have all kinds of military airplanes – but the ordinary people on the ground won’t. When I was Tegadalay in the area, I was told Badme Town is one Kilometer inside Eritrea (today it is 800 meters). Meaning, if Ethiopia is occupying land that doesn’t go far from the edge of Badme Town, the area Ethiopia is occupying is 800 meters in width and about 20-30 Kilometers in length (from point A to point B).

          As you can imagine, the border is militarized. And since it is militarized, it is fair to assure the border is infested with landmines and spies from both both sides. I don’t believe farmers and herders would be allowed to use the contested area – at least on the Eritrean side.

          I believe leaving the area (Ethiopia) without demarcation is not a good idea – it will create new problems and, some people will get hurt. I don’t believe Ethiopia would leave the area without demarcation, and I also believe it shouldn’t.

          Semere Tesfai

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Fanti Ghana and thanks for your comments. What town? At the time of the EEBC decision Badme, on a dusty dirt road, was perhaps only 2,000 people in loosely assembled huts, half occupied people and the other half occupied by livestock. However since that time, Ethiopia erected a victory war monument at Badme and actively pursued a villagization program to quickly populate the area. Anyways, dividing a town or a village is not a monumental task.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Blue Asmara,
            Is there a mill (enda meTHan) in Badme or no? That is the litmus test in my book whether a village has transformed into a town or not.

          • sara

            ato fanti.
            those who gauged towns and places as such did not fare well in the past, they ended up in the dust bin of history.
            amazing, how we humans forget quickly.

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Fanti Ghana and thanks for your interesting comments. Are you then implying that Ethiopia’s military does not know how to use a simple Garmin GPS unit?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Blue Asmara,

            I hope to God they do, but in a fair world even that wouldn’t have been necessary, but since both sides are trying their best to ruin/humiliate the other there is no clear way out.

            I just don’t see anything useful happening before demarcation.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Fanti Ghana and thanks for your comment. Demarcation is already done and Ethiopia already knows there the border is; they simply are adamant on continuing to illegally occupy Eritrean land. The need for ‘dialogue ‘over the matter is just a front from the T-TPLF side to use Badme as a bargaining chip to gain access to Eritrean ports under special discounted tariffs.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Abraham H. and thanks for your comments. I can understand your frustration but on this one I would have a different position. At the stage the matter is simply for Ethiopia to abide by the EEBC decision and respect Rule of Law. It is therefore incorrect to assert that ‘both sides seeming not to care or show interest in resolving it’. To the contrary, on the Eritrean Government side, they remain as vocal as ever on the issue.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Blue Asmera, please refer to my reply to Semere Tesfy below. Thanks

  • KBT

    Selamat
    Why those evil keep bringing the name of Abraham everywhere??
    What a pathological lier do they have any proof that he will succeed his father?
    Shameful looking to hurt the son that have nothing to do with what is happening
    Is that a new strategy from the criminal TPLF regime ,god has cursed him anyway this monster

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Amde,

    I think your reason and explanation is a lot more than what I can come up with. I just do not believe for these two, after spending so much time together that they are not able to find a solution and move forward.

    I just remember, they way they hugged and kissed during the Algiers agreement and I can’t believe they lost communication since.

    If the moderator allows is, look at the picture..I can’t find the video. At least our side, Isayas seems he was relieved that he made up with his old comrade Melles and didn’t care how much destruction that he has caused.

    Berhe

    http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/algerian-president-abdelaziz-bouteflika-hugs-eritrean-news-photo/169417765#algerian-president-abdelaziz-bouteflika-hugs-eritrean-president-and-picture-id169417765

    • Abi

      Hi Berhe Hawey
      “ሌባ ሲካፈል እንጂ ሲሰርቅ አይጣላም ” ይላሉ አበው ሲተርቱ

  • sara

    Dear Awtistas..
    we are missing many good awtistas this days, do you remember who wrote this comment few years ago?
    Selam Awatistas,
    I’m starting to see a pattern on this discussion board. Several articles go up about many topics having nothing to do with Ethiopia or very little, as in the case of saay’s last article. Somehow, the topic turns to Ethiopia or a discussion occurs between Eritreans and Ethiopians about nonsense. There will be the usual Eritrean ostriches who see an Ethiopian conspiracy behind everything. Then we are treated to multiple barrages from the usual Ethiopian posters who carry one or more of this type of message:
    1. The young Ethiopians don’t know you. The older ones don’t care about you. You’re insignificant. Now, remember some of this is coming from some of the top posters on Awate, an Eritrean site. Who knows why they do this, bitterness, personal issue, ax grinding. The point is who cares. If they don’t know us or they don’t care about us, why are they here? What meaningful discussion can we have with people who don’t want to engage you?
    2. Here’s one that I like best for its utter stupidity: You have an identity complex from Italians. Oh by the way, since you’ve become your own country, please return our Ethiopian culture (food, clothing, language). The stupidity is that they can’t both be true. And politics and culture are two different things.
    3. Here’s a negative encounter I had with some Eritreans. Ergo, most or all Eritreans are like this. It is so UnHabesha-like. We, Ethiopians, behave in much better ways, blah, blah, blah.
    4. Mengistu and Haile Selassie were good to us above all Ethiopians. All of our stories of hardship, oppression and desire to be our own nation is just made up or exaggerated. We’re just ungrateful, that’s all.
    5. You Eritreans are hate filled with empty pride. The only thing that brings you together is your hate for Ethiopia. Never mind, we occasionally get together for weddings, places of worship,
    funerals, coffee shops, community activities, holidays, hanging out. You know, things that normal people do. Things that no one questions except bigots who stereotype people as exceptions to the human race. The point is why are we wasting time engaging with people who hold these points of view. Yeah, it’s weird that they keep coming back but tell us we’re not relevant to them. But that’s what trolls do. There are plenty of Ethiopians who favor rapprochement. Look at the postings by Horizon, Crocus, derbew, Amde and others. You don’t have to agree with their point of view, but they are presenting their proposals and ideas respectfully and again they favor rapprochement. Plus, they’re not a**holes. That’s a big plus. That matters when holding discussion on the web. So, please ignore the others.
    Awate Team,
    Since we’ll have these folks who can’t make up their mind if they’ve forgotten about us or not, I have a proposal that I’ve made before. Create a page for them. It’ll be sort of a virtual room with rubber walls where they can tell us 24/7 how much they don’t want to engage us or have any sort of relationship between our two countries. Give them a nice logo. They can have a feedback page where innocent Ethiopians can submit stories of terrifying encounters they’ve had with Eritreans. We can throw Nitricc in there to keep them company from time to time when he has the itch. It’ll help them build group cohesion which is important for these fragile individuals.

    • Abi

      Hi sara
      I like to try to guess who said the above comment.
      It should be Haile WM or Shum. I’m sure it is one of the two of my memory is half intact. If I get it right, I need my virtual coffee ASAP.

      • sara

        selam ato Abi
        your google search into your archives has worked well this time , but reading awate this days do you think he would praise the amdes,horizons as he did then if he was around here this days ? i doubt.

        • Abi

          Hi sara
          I did not google search at all.
          No he will never praise Amde or Horizon.
          So who was the person? Haile WM or Shum? Must be Haile.

          • Haile WM

            Hi Abi 🙂

            Wrong ! 🙂

          • sara

            ato Abi
            i believe you are confirming they changed with the times and are now in the ato ABi league..
            good observation.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Sara; hahahahahah why do you throw me out there with the Ethiopians? lol
      I can tolerate and appreciate what ever the Ethiopians have to say and do, what kills me is that there are the so-called Eritreans who are bent to attack and destroy Eritrea to get to PIA. I can not stand those people.

      • sara

        selam nitricc
        well,some one commented as such and i was quoting what he wrote, not me saying.

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam Everybody..For those that believe that ‘dialogue’ on how the EEBC decision was to be implemented, was a genuine desire of the Ethiopian Government, I kindly defer you to the November 7, 2004; Wikileaks cable intercepted from the U.S. Embassy in Addis Ababa:

    Amb. Oshima met the then Ethiopian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Seyoum Mesfin on Nov. 7. Later that day, at the US Embassy, Oshima and described the meeting as follows:

    Seyoum continued to assert that actual demarcation of the border would require “readjustments,” e.g., to ensure that a village not be divided in two. Seyoum also had said that the border issue was not the sole issue between Ethiopia and Eritrea: economic trade, normalization of relations, and access to the sea were also key.

    • MS

      Dear Blue Asmara
      Selam Blue Asmara
      Ya Asmarawi…ya Asmarawi…initially, Gual Adem thought she had found an easy prey. It took her time to size you up. Soon we will invite her to Gual Ankere “alash abelnayom ab seTaH golgol, Hji’do Haysh Eritrawyan mesel…..coming soon. Well, then:
      1. I thank you for your informative comments and coolness. Article 4.2 of the APA reads:
      “The parties agree that a neutral Boundary Commission composed of five members shall be established with a mandate to delimit and demarcate the colonial treaty border based on pertinent colonial treaties (1900, 1902 and 1908) and applicable international law. The Commission shall not have the power to make decisions ex aequo et bono.” There is a reason why the clause “ex aequo et bono.” was inserted. And Article 38(2) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) states that the court may rule on cases ex aequo et bono, that is only if the countries or the parties agree to do so. Both Ethiopia and Eritrea did not agree on ex aequo et bono. Ethiopia signed the agreement fully aware of this provision. Therefore, MZ and TPLF’s spoiled tantrum is a result of the encouragement of the likes of Susan Rice. The court could only have ruled based strictly on the facts presented to it. Both parties agreed it would be final and binding. If Ethiopia had really been concerned of comprehensive peace agreement or as PMMZ said of splitting villages, it would have pushed for the court to decide the case ex aequo et bono.
      2. UNMEE mandate was done and both countries would not cooperate to renew it, any way it had lived past its use, the UN was awre of it and that is why it did not pressure Eritrea. The delimitation was concluded, and since Ethiopia refused, the UN cartographic agency finalized it virtually. The UN and the court recognize the map.
      End of story.

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam MS and many thanks for you comments for which I am in 100% agreement with you.

        • Abi

          Hi Blue Asmara
          Now that the moderator exposed your true colors, guessing what other colors you used in the past must be entertaining.
          Let me start by asking what GMT is in Blue Asmara right now?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abi and thanks for your comments. I might be traveling to the U.S. in a couple weeks, hope that I am not on the same ISP server as you when I get a ping as we might then get confused with each other. I have indeed used different nics in the past but not at the same time. Often, when switching computers, I loose track of passwords and have to open a new Discus account and choose to change nic.

          • Abi

            Hi Blue
            My advice for you is to always stay under a shade so that your colors won’t fade. It is also necessary to cover yourself with multiple layers so that your colors won’t be exposed to the glaring sun.
            Stay Blue my friend.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salaam Abi and thanks for the advice. I am now on a nice beach in 34c heat with 100 SFP slapped on and a cold brew in hand. Hopes that keeps scottature away and allows for color retention.

          • Abi

            Hi Blue
            Are you drinking Blue Moon under the blue sky?
            You killing me

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi,

            Now you have it. That Mr. Blue can afford to buy one of the most expensive beers, Blue Moon. He never settles for a bud/miller/course light, but he likes to pay for his Blue Moon:) At least, we have gotten some details about his preferred beer brand:) Mr. Blue said he is traveling to U.S. so we know he is not one of us. We would have preferred him finishing the demarcation thing (ethio-Eri) before a visit to our naturalized nation.

          • Abi

            Hi Tomi
            I was expecting him to drink Meloti under a multi colored umbrella at Red Sea.

        • Blue Asmara

          Dear Moderator: I am not now nor do I in the future plan to use any other nic than Blue Asmara. If you believe that my comments are either not conducive or inappropriate for your website, I will of course respect that and refrain from making further comments.

      • Hayat Adem

        Aha MS,
        Yes, Blue is cool but not cold.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear MS,

        When you say “UNMEE mandate was done and both countries would not cooperate to renew it, any way it had lived past its use, the UN was awre of it and that is why it did not pressure Eritrea. The delimitation was concluded, and since Ethiopia refused, the UN cartographic agency finalized it virtually. The UN and the court recognize the map.”

        This conclusion that will have a series consequence for the future of the country and the people. And who on behalf of the Eritrean people made to agree to this decision? Who gave the president to unilaterally put the country in danger again?

        Sure we have virtual map, but what’s to grantee conflict in the future and how do we go around getting legal claim.

        Wouldn’t this burden the future generation to actually to get the UN cartographic unit to demarcate the boarder from the virtual. The only way we can get to this point again is, when a war broke out and an imaginable destruction happened that would compel the security council to act again and get the two parties to agree to agreement.

        I personally think the president has done this on purpose so that he will continue to justify the state of war and continue to rule us and his son to take over and rule us again. Just like Asad did with his permanent enemy of Israel and just what Kim did with permanent enemy of S. Korea.

        If I am not mistaken you seem to be ok with it. I understand Ethiopia dragged it’s feet, but why Eritrea and to whom benefit?

        Berhe

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Berhe, the delimited map makes a final conclusion as to the location of the border. Copies of the map are filed in both countries as well as the body responsible for the settlement-the UN. Should any future border conflict arise between the two sides, what the Eritrean side has to do is show the internationally decided and endorsed border map. The fact on the ground today is that the two governig sides have not agreed on the practical placement of the border pillars, but this fact doesn’t mean the absence of a legal border map.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abraham,

            I know but who is going to go to the ground and verify. And what would the reason to do so is my question.

            In other words, when there is war and conflict, then we to go the international community to verify, mediate, what ever…

            The bottom line is, it’s not settled matter. Unfortunately unless the two parties agreed to end the conflict peacefully, it will take another round of hostilities for this to come to a conclusion.

            And in the mean time, Eritrea is paying heavily for it. With lost opportunity every day that goes by.

            Berhe

        • MS

          Selam Haw Berhe
          I think we need to separate the legal aspect of the matter from the political component. I’m responding STRICTLY to the notion that suggests the border has not been demarcated and that we have to go back to square one including reinstalling the APA mechanisms, etc. Yours is a political one and yes, tend to agree with you and I have actually said in the past that Eritrea should explore the “let’s talk first” proposal from Ethiopia. That takes a good will, a political will. That does not mean Eritrea should bed the ruling but it could offer her an opportunity to show all stakeholder international bodies (UN, USA, EU, AU…) that it is a serious peace seeking partner. I have been saying that since whenever this point comes up. The point being, from the Eritrean side, it becomes a matter of a good political will to go the extra mile, while on the Ethiopian side, it’s a matter of obligation. That’s the difference. But bear in mind, the cost that would incur on Eritrea by the reopening of this matter would outweigh the benefit. What you said about the motives of IA on ending the presence of UNMEE (whose mandate had already expired) could not be ruled out. I would like to ask you, what would you do if you were in IA’s shoes, apart from what we are suggestion, that’s exploring the “Let’s talk first” proposal of Ethiopia, how far would you be willing to go in areas such as Asab, Badme, and other concessions? We know Ethiopia could not be threatened by Eritrea. Ethiopia’s number one threat comes from the policies the Junta in Addis is pursuing in suppressing Ethiopians’ petitions. So we can rule out Ethiopia’s claim that it fears Eritrea’s attack. The reason for the delaying tactic must be somewhere else. In my judgement, Ethiopia believes, sooner or later, Eritrea will give up, or a more Ethiopia-friendly regime will replace PFDJ and that will give them a stronger negotiating position in extracting extra gains from the weaker Eritrea. That’s just my guess. It is possible that Ethiopia can scrap the APA all together. So, the question that Eritreans must answer is how far they are willing to go with the current situation. If we are ready to break EEBC ruling, why not be willing to get away with the independence project? Just a a premise to consider for discussion.
          Regards.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear MS,

            Thank you for taking the time to respond. My view is not different from yours and I agree to all and most of what you said.

            Let me just respond to what you asked me “I would like to ask you, what would you do if you were in IA’s shoes, apart from what we are suggestion, that’s exploring the “Let’s talk first” proposal of Ethiopia, how far would you be willing to go in areas such as Asab, Badme, and other concessions? ”

            I would not do any different from the position Eritrea has taken and refused from opening the ruling / via open ended dialog.

            My problem is not from Eritrea’s position with regards to Ethiopia’s demand, my problem is Eritrea’s position with regards to the UN and UNMEE.

            What I would is very simple, I hire the best and the brightest 5 lawyers to deal and respond to Ethiopia and the UN.

            I would figure out, the number of soldiers that are required to secure the boarder if any event that comes to play (50,000 – 80,000), hear the experts advice.

            I will continue the national military program with the purpose of keeping this number / rotating within the limit (1 year service). And demobilize those who finished their services..

            I will implement the constitution, free political prisoners, allow free and private press, opposition etc.. Allow free and fair elections…

            I would allow free movement of all citizens including those who finished their military service and leave the country as they wish.

            In other words, let the 5 lawyers worry about the political aspects, let the 80,000 rotating army (with few well paid permanent) worry about the military aspect of the boarder situations.

            For how ever long it takes, and if the 5 advisers find it suitable to end the stalement with back door channel that gives the other side (even to save face), for the sake of peace, I would take their advice. And be open and frank to the Eritrean people.

            In other words….how I wish Haile DureE was Eritrea’s president. Please listen to the speech he gave in Germany and everything that I said above. It was all his ideas…..

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Salam Mahmuday,

            Aha! You have said sctually in the past that “Eritrea should explore the let’s talk first the proposal of Ethiopia.” My friend what is the difference from what I have said repeatedly that If Ethiopia comes with its five point, Eritrea has to come with its own points and sit on the round table to finalize the actual demarcation on the ground. Rather you roared at me like the despot of Asmara as if it is not enough what he is doing to the Eritrean people. If you have said in the past what I have qouted you from your comment, that is the realistic approach for there can’t be any solution without talking. So hold on with that position that will make you relevant. Sitting on round table to have a talk is not compromising to our stand regarding the ruling.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            I think you said the other day that UNMEE should be back if the border is to be demarcated. And I’m saying the purpose of UNMEE is nonexistent. The ruling has been rendered, and there is no room for tempering with it. But if you are talking about political gestures and confidence building measures, it could happen. However, we know the reality. This does not absolve Ethiopia from its refusal to let the demarcation process get completed by planting physical landmarks. While for Eritrea, it’s a matter of good will and diplomatic prowess, for Ethiopia, it’s an obligation. We can’t defend Ethiopia’s refusal.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            We have two basic differences (a) on reinstating the mechanism if we want to demarcate (b) on whether both governments need to start to talk on the process of demarcation. On both issues I stood for bringing the mechanism back to finish demarcation and support the requirement of talking these two governments to remove the stumbling blocks and be responsible to finish the demarcation. You were/are against my positions. Governments who are unable to talk each other are not capable to resolve such kind of issue. Trust me the border issue will not be solved without talking, and being in a round table talk is not compromise if we know what is to our interest. These nonsense we will not talk does not take us anywhere nor do we find solution to the current stalemates. Anyway on both accounts you make me your punching bag joining with the government operatives.

            Regards

          • MS

            Ahlan Emma
            Let’s agree to disagree on this point. Regarding the punching bag, come on Emma, you are a veteran boxer/fighter/debater. I broke a couple of knuckles in my last round.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Let me state these facts and keep it on your record for posterity:
            (a)This border issue can’t find a conclusion unless the two sides able to talk each other to implement the decision of the court.
            (b) In order to demarcate the border and put the pillars on the ground, the international mechanism should be in place what ever that mechanism will be. Without these facts nothing will happen unless you want to make a call for a war to eject Ethiopia. Other than that, the things you are uttering is simply childish and no wisdom in it. The choices are either to engage a war or to sit and talk to resolve it. No other choices. I let you to make your call. For me the later is my option. If you call the debate a boxing then the rounds are not yet to call a victory.
            (c) if you feel keeping the current status as a success, it is a crime by association with the regime, in the eyes of the victims of this policy. The victims are the entire population. Ezi wedehanka.

            Regards

          • Selam MS,
            “if we are ready to break eebc ruling, why not be willing to get away with the independence project?”
            I hope I have understood your point. It gives the impression that you are putting on the same level the eebc ruling and eritrean independence. If so, don’t you think that this is an extreme position, and blocks all sorts of talks. Moreover, don’t you think that it contradicts what you said earlier, “….Eritrea should explore the “let’s talk first” proposal from ethiopia.”

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon, MS

            “if we are ready to break eebc ruling, why not be willing to get away with the independence project?”

            Life gets much much easier when one follows the dictum “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the Good.”

            The power of “Good-Enough” is compelling.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hey Horizon: aside the dishonest view point of some Eritreans; out of just and the right thing to is for Ethiopia to get out of the land according the letter of the verdict. any talk was appropriate before the bloody war; any talk was noble even after war but to call for a talk after the court rendered its verdict and after you sign for final and binding is simply stupid!! As soon as you open any dialog any talk, you are overriding the court’s decision. No sane person will suggest any talks. There is only one option that is for TPLF thugs to get out of the land and implement the court’s decision.
            THE END!

          • Millennium

            Hi MS:

            Do you really believe that the international community (UN, EU, US etc) needs any political gesture or goodwill,as you said it, from Eritrea? Do you genuinely believe that would make a difference? what does “explore the options of talking” mean? If you have a suspicion the call for talk is not genuine, why even give it a consideration?

            Regards,
            Millennium

          • Thomas

            Hi Mellennium,

            I am glad you now decided to write with your usual nickname. Writing with your nickname, Blue Asmara, did not help you or anyone here:)

          • Millennium

            HI Thomas:

            I agree with what Blue Asmara was presenting here. However, we are not the same person.

            Millennium

          • MS

            Selam Millennium
            Please bear in mind that there is no room for rearguing the case’s legal status. Basically, it would disarm Ethiopia’s from its constant claim that they are ready to settle it, but Eritrea is unwilling to talk. Exploring would mean trying to show the world that you are making extra efforts to settle the matter. If the talk is about twisting the ruling then that would expose Ethiopia’s claim. In addition, this type of engagements are usually studied ahead of the actual meeting by professional diplomats and substance of the talks could be discovered early on, and if it contradicts any line of the ruling, Eritrea could simply refrain from proceeding, but it can earn Eritrea diplomatic sympathy. I know both leaders don’t want to see eye to eye, but the bluff could be exposed. However, that demands leadership and courage.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Berhe,

          “Just like Assad did with his permanent enemy of Israel and just what Kim did with permanent enemy of South Korea” Issayas is creating permanent enemy to hold hostage the Eritrean people. Excellent analogical argument. And it is absolutely true.

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

        • MS

          Selam BerheY
          I do agree with your comment, and I believe there is no reason for PFDJ to rule without impunity. Even the refusal of Ethiopia does not make a good excuse to imprison and disappear people; it’s not an excuse to hold the country’s future destiny hostage. So, as long as we separate the international nature of the border agreement, one that concerns two independent states, and PFDJ’s domestic rule, we will agree almost in everything. The problem comes when people mix the two. That’s for now folks, I have to get to work, I read Horizon and amde, may be later today, but thanks a lot.

  • Amde

    Selam blink,

    “….especially one room has a plane to campaing against this website due to people from south …”

    Which room is that? Maybe we can go visit them? Save them the trip? What do you say? You can introduce us.

    Amde

    • blink

      Dear Amde
      I am not accepted in the room so you know , incase you do not understand about them , they will not allow any one who can not speak Tigrina lol even Tigrina speakers are asked to tell who they are it means people like eyob the weyane cadre will be picked by his accent , mention their city , kebelle , or village in Eritrea , as you can see people from south like you will not be accepted in the room especially Abi will not stand a chance because there is no chance he can find a time slote to insult Eritreans as he does in this forum.

  • Berhe Y

    Selam Abraham H.

    This is the crux of the matter isnt’ it? The UNSC was calling for each side to hold their end of the bargain. You are right the issue the UNMEE were facing are not of equal magnitude.

    So why was Eritrea not cooperating with them so the blame goes only to Ethiopia. Why did Isayas gambling on that?

    Instead of talking about sanctions, UNSC this or that..how did we get there, how did we lose the opportunity?

    Weather it’s fair or not, it doesn’t matter, they have to state the challenge Eritrean government making on the operation of the UNMEE, like flight ban, petrol withholding etc..which was curicial to their operations. What was the reason for that, to what benefit ?

    I don’t think he didn’t know the consequence, I think he does not want to see the boarder demarcated.

    Berhe

    • KBT

      Selamat
      There was no opportunity , just meles refused to abide by the traity
      Read Wikileaks from the beginning to the last even how the sanction have been imposed

      • Berhe Y

        Dear KBT,

        If you notice in my writing, I haven’t justified Ethiopia/ Melles refusal in any way. I am consistent that, Eritrea was on the right to refuse and the decision not to open the ruling is the right decision. But again, it has the option to entertain any back door channel from precieved to be neutral body so the conflict come to conclusion. Because it is in the Eritrea’s best interest. For example, Eritrea decision to engage the former US ambassador Cohen is a little bit too late.

        Having said that, my disagreement with the Eritrean government position was picking a fight with the UN and the UNMEE and gave them an excuse to leave.

        And whose decision was to do that? I think it was lost opportunity for Eritrea and there will be NO chance this will happen again, unless a full scale war started between the two countries.

        And with that, the destruction of Eritrean lives and properties, because the war will be on the Eritrean SIDE.

        Please people get it…the WAR will always be fought on the Eritrean side and Eritrean people and Eritrean property will be destroyed. Because Eritrea has no capability to do the same, except be a seating duck waiting for Ethiopia to attack again.

        I personally thing, Isayas and Melles were on the same secret phone call and they agreed to do this behind.

        Berhe

        • KBT

          Selam berhe
          A sitting duck, you Underestimate eritrean capability to defend themselves anyway leave that aside, what is the back door mean to you renegotiate ,and about unmee they were smuggling people flying helicopter above eritrean army position, they more acting as army conqueror than peace keeping, and a the end they wanted expend their mandate without achieving nothing, if they are useless they should go,
          WITH ALL THAT The EEBC GAVE THE RESULT ETHIOPIA REFUSED, WE KNOW THE REST

          • Berhe Y

            Dear KBT,

            I am a sitting duck..you know who is seating duck, it’s the government and people like you. You have been singing final and binding for the past 13 years and nothing will happen. And even if you keep singing the same song, nothing will happen….you know, there is a way to get back Badime…but you know that’s suicide mission. seating duck..

            The PFDJ and the sympathizers really amaze me. Let’s assume what you said is actually true:

            unmee they were smuggling people
            flying helicopter above eritrean army position
            they more acting as army conqueror than peace keeping
            expend their mandate without achieving nothing

            I heard about 1 or 2 cases where some members of UNMEE where caught smuggling people. But considering the over all benefit, I think that’s insignificant. How many Eritreans have left via smuggling since the UN has left? 100,000, that’s on the low end.

            Can you tell me if there is any official Eritrean government objection / protest with regards to the UNMEE activities?

            Is this the PFDJ logic to protect it’s adversaries when it’s blamed “siq MeriSina”. Hamed Ede.

            Berhe

          • KBT

            Selam
            I didn’t say you the sitting duck please,
            If you mean war for badime no need to shade eritrean youth blood
            Yes there is another solution ,patience and we are watching the result ,eritrea will not shut one bullet what I am sure that hopeless people like you cannot even fight like a men for what they pretends they lost ,their write
            sitting behind a computer and talking for ever ,give me a break

  • Paulos

    Selam Abraham,

    In my view, the Bad’me issue has two components: legal and political. When the former is anachronistic in terms, the latter is pertinent in the struggle against the Isaias regime. To be more precise, invoking the legal aspect of it is tantamount to playing Isaias’ wild card in the grand scheme of events where he is beating the Opposition in his own game. The political aspect of it however, turns events upside down where it is precisely the reason that Eritrea is in a bad shape to begin with where again Isaias is guilty for starting the war not of course because Ethiopia refused to leave Bad’me but because Isaias was not willing to implement the Constitution as it would have limited his power. He figured he needed a legal means for a political end.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Paulos, firstly, I don’t think all the opposition groups that have an appeasing stance towards the Ethiopian govt regarding the border decision. I guess most of them have a principled stand that the Ethiopian side should respect APA and implement the border decision without preconditions. But this doesn’t mean the Isayas regime and its supporters exert enormous effort to defame the opposition as sellouts in order to justify thier power grip. I don’t think it is difficult for any group or individual who oppose the Isayas regime to put a distinction between the international border and the internal political issues.

  • Abi

    Hi blink
    Your admirer here
    Your comments are evolving from being earth shattering pieces to glass shattering noises.

    • blink

      Dear Abi
      I already said , you are good with jokes and i also said your wits are simply unmatched-able by any one in this forum. You are simply good sir .

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam Hayat Adem. You did not comment on the fairness of U.N. sanctions that have been applied on Eritrea and not on Ethiopia. People forget that a Wikileaks cable exposed how Ethiopian security forces planted 3 bombs that went off in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on September 16, 2006 and then blamed Eritrea for the blasts in a case that raised serious questions about how the Obama administration pushed for United Nation’s sanctions against Eritrea based on the accusations made by the Ethiopian regime. In a report from 2006 marked “Secret ; Subject: Ethiopia: Recent Bombings Blamed on Oromos Possibly the Work of Government of Ethiopia” “Classified By: Charge [d’Affairs] Vicki Huddleston”, “An embassy source, as well as clandestine reporting, suggests that the bombing may have in fact been the work of the Government of Ethiopia security forces.” (Cable reference id: #06ADDISABABA2708.). Should it comes as any surprise that Ethiopia has blamed Eritrea in large part for ‘occurrences’ in Ethiopia over the past year which have led to Ethiopia’s State of Emergency?

    • Berhe Y

      Selam Blue,

      It’s nice that you are trying to make sense of the situation. But I hope you can see that none of Eritrea government position is for the benefit of ERITREAN people but rather for the glory of Isayas and his wounded ego.

      As to the UN ERITREAN sanctions, I thought they were related to Eritrea government in Somalia and boarder war with Dijibuti.

      Sure PMMZ and Susan Rice have a lot to do with it.

      Berhe

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Berhe Y and many thanks for your comment. Yes, I understand fully what you are saying and PIA/PFDJ’s time has long passed and drastic change needs to occur. At the same time, I believe that Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Eritrea should not be allowed to go unchecked nor should the U.S.A. be allowed to use the U.N. Security Council as a personal military-economic strategy tool at the detriment of Eritreans.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Blue,

          Yes Ethiopia needs to accept EEBC ruling as is and then anything else need to be negotiated. But how long is Eritrea willing to hold out is the big question. Eritrea had lost the leverage it had when it picked fight with the UN and give them excuse to pack and leave. It should have been a fight between the UN and Ethiopia and they would have pushed it because it was costing them millions of dollars to monitor the boarder.

          I don’t think opening that ruling to any “Dialog” is a bad idea, Eritrea should test the waters using different channels (Russia / China) before taking official position and formalize it when agreed solution is reached. The ruling does allow if both parties agree to make amendments.

          Back to the sanctions, remember Ethiopia is Eritrea’s “enemy” and it needs to do what ever benefits it. We can’t call it our “enemy” and expect it to do what benefit us.

          Eritrea was hosting UN designated terrorist, it also started a boarder war with dijibiuti that it denied to justify. In other words it face them (Melles and Rice) the Ammunition they need to push for the sanctions. And don’t forget it was at the request of AU and it has full support of the SC with exception of Libya.

          The US has a lot of clout but not the sole decision maker, we should not forget what caused it in the first place.

          Did Eritrea need to host the Somali opposition who were wanted by the UN?

          Did Eritrea need to invade Dijibiuti ? That it denied for years and produced the the POW years later ?

          Berhe

          • Blue Asmara

            Hi Berhe Y and thanks for your comments. In the case of the EEBC decision, it is effervescently clear that the international community, the U.S.A., Western powers and the U.N. Security Council shamelessly turned a blind eye on the travesty of justice that Ethiopia was committing when they in fact should have slapped sanction on Ethiopia at the very beginning when they outrightly refused to accept the EEBC decision. And, it was because of this travesty of justice did Eritrea, out of lack of recourse, take a number of bad steps of action. There is no question that should have Ethiopia complied with the EEBC border ruling from the very beginning, Eritrea would have never have hosted Somali opposition groups.

    • Hayat Adem

      Selam Blue,
      Like Berhe said below, the sanctions were first for interring and supporting terrorism in Somalia and for its involvement in border encroachment in Djibouti, and later added was for ts destabilizing role in the Horn of Africa. That is why it has become difficult to lift up the sanction even if after the Group has maintained that it no longer has evidence if Eritrea continues supporting al-Shabab for the last 5 or more years. Why? Because of the Djibouti case. And even if the Djibouti case was solved, the sanctions will continue because of the destabilization role Eritrea is perceived or believed to have been undertaking.

      When it comes to the fairness of the sanctions, you have to always ask “what did the IA regime did to deserve this, and did it have easy options to follow in order to avoid them? And now they are in place, can it do anything to graduate out of them at all?”
      —-
      One thing that I hate is deliberate misrepresenting of information like you did with Wikileaks info.
      “People forget that a Wikileaks cable exposed how Ethiopian security forces planted 3 bombs that went off in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on September 16, 2006 and then blamed Eritrea for the blasts in a case that raised serious questions about how the Obama administration pushed for United Nation’s sanctions against Eritrea based on the accusations made by the Ethiopian regime”

      First of all, the Obama Admin came in 2008 (not before then, not in 2006). I referred to the Report and there is a yawning difference between what the Report says and what you said. What you said is clear: Ethiopian security planted 3 bombs that exploded in Addis; and then blamed it on Eritrea; and used this against Eritrea to be sanctioned. What the Report says is also clear: Vicki Huddleston reported that someone in the opposition told her that it could be the Ethiopian security that planted the bombs so that they can blame it on others. [later it was known from later wikileaks reports that someone who told Vicki about the Ethiopian security was no other but Dr. Merrara Gudinna].

      So if you are saying this out of an innocent mistake, I forgive you. if you are saying this to intentionally misinform, you are a dishonest person. And that is not cool. What Merrara reported believing that the Ethiopians were bombing themselves in order to blame Eritrea is so different from reporting as if it is an established fact that the Ethiopian security forces actually did it. This is of course unless you are the type of person who sees his logic: if Merara said it to Vicki and Vicki reported it, then it must be true.
      —–
      I’ve one question for you: Eritrea is in a bad shape because of the bad decisions of its leadership and leader. People are running away. Youth is being emptied and wandering in so many useless places ( in Eritrean prisons, in Sawa, in the refugee camps, in the deserts, in Israel… There is no argument in this. But how much of this misery is the the IA regime responsible for directly or indirectly?

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Hayat A.,

        The political and economic situation in Eritrea and its relations with the outside world could have been managed in a more fruitful way.

        But still, Ethiopia needs to evacuate occupied Eritrean territory as per the decision of the border commission. Furthermore, sanctions should have been imposed on the Ethiopian government [not its people] for not abiding by the border ruling.

        • abysinay

          and eritrea should fulfill the pre conditions.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Simon,
          You said, “The political and economic situation in Eritrea and its relations with the outside world could have been managed in a more fruitful way.” That is a reference of relativity. That means you do believe they have been handled more or less in a fruitful way, but you are seeing some room for improvement. That is what you are telling us. And I beg to differ.

          You said Ethiopia needs to evacuate from occupied territories. It sounds like so foolish and a mere slogan. If Ethiopia didn’t hear you in 2003-2005, why do you think it will now? Ethiopia says there are no occupied territories before demarcation. You will say, it is delineated. Ethiopia will say, it is but it is not demarcated. And the agreement says territorial transfer is effected only after demarcation and placement of pillars. Then you will say, lets go and demarcate it. Let’s see what options are in there as things stand today.

          Ethiopia has a lot of choices to pick from: 1) APA is violated so I declare it null and void, 2) okay lets do it, only UN cartographic people can interpret the maps in demarcation, so bring back the UNMEE, bring back the TSZ, bring back the witnesses, 3) Okay, let’s talk, dialogue and demarcate, 4) We should renegotiate an alternative mechanism as the once in place had been dismantled already. So, you are here: do you want to change the game? Like, force Ethiopia to heed diplomatically? Oh come on… how many powerful friends do you have? Okay how about using force? Emmm… really! You are in a no win situation my friend. You missed your bus long ago!

          You said sanctions should be lifted. Again, things don’t change because you yelled out slogans. Sanction are placed for a purpose and can only be lifted for a reason. The decision to sanction Eritrea was not done over a night. Go and try to see all the engagements and exchanges from 2006 to 2009. That was the window for the IA regime to explain itself or falsify charges or change its behavior. But, what did the regime did? It went on insulting everyone and intensifying the very things it was being asked to stop.So, one sanction and another enforcer were placed, and the regime has to blame only itself. To avoid the sanction prior decision only one powerful friend was enough. To keep them from being lifted, only one powerful enemy is enough.

          You people who support the regime: why can’t you think creatively? Why can’t any single person from you think some solution out of the box? Why are you repeating yourself as if a rejected and failed policy gets revamped and revitalized better and more when it is repeated again and again? Do you want the sanctions to be lifted? Good, them try something that you haven’t tried so far. Do you want the border to be demarcated? good, then try something that you haven’t tried so far. But above all, try to list priorities in a scale of importance and urgency. Somethings are more important than others. some things are more urgent than others. Start with very existential, emergency and humanitarian issues first. Then move to greater issues for the greater number of people. Then move on to critically issues of strategic importance…etc.. where do you see badime and the border in this line up?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat A.,

            It seems that you are unable to state a response in a precise way. You went on and on and on and on … What you wrote seems like a statement by a spokesperson from the Ethiopian foreign Minster’s office.

            1) There are some good things that are being done in Eritrea, and there are others that could be done differently. Eritreans should keep on having dialogue with the government, they should not give up.

            2) There are territories that the border commission decided in favour of Eritrea. Ethiopia has to evacuate from these territories. Now that Ethiopia has refused to comply, the UN and the international community must impose sanctions on it.

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon,

            You said, “Eritreans should keep on having dialogue with the government, they should not give up” When did Eritreans get permission to talk with the government, please enlighten us on this? I don’t which government of Eritrea you are referring and with whom and where the dialogue took place? Are you talking about the same regime that we all know? Talking with him, please clarify (Issayas??

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            You can have a dialogue with the Eritrean government, but not a confrontation like the G15 mistakenly did.

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon,

            Ok, the G15 and G13 all were ignored or jailed because they were confrontational, in your opinion. Can you tell me when and how the government you are stating allowed dialog? Remember, you said “Eritreans should keep on having dialog…” When did the dialog happened and in your case “not a confrontation like the G15 mistakenly did”. So, the G15 were confrontation in your opinion? How was their request confrontation, please elaborate? And what could be considered non confrontational in your opinion? To be honest, you seem very interesting person, prove me wrong. Clarify your case?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            To start with, by its very nature, Eritrea needs a firm hand, some sort of dictatorship. What the G15 did was outside the traditions of the EPLF. They should have expressed their grievances in private and not in public tabloids in an accusatory manner against Isaias. They knew the game, they gambled, thinking they cornered Isaias, but they lost.

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon,
            You just cannot stop being an idiot, can you?? You open your stinky mouth too much!! Hitsab egrom zeiti’akil si ajewjew tibil ajaw!!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            What you say will have no effect on the country whatsoever, since you are clueless on the problems of Eritrea and their solutions.

            Enjoy talking to yourself until eternity.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Simon,

            Can you please elaborate which part of the agreement that states to impose sanction if one of the party refused?

            Can you also elaborate an official statement from the Eritrean government requesting the UNSC to take punitive measures including sanctions against Ethiopia for failing to comply. Other than what’s fed in the news, can you please provide evidence that’s what the Eritrean government ask to the SC?

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Either you are confused or you are committing a Straw Man logical fallacy. Who said sanctions were stated in the agreement? Why should sanctions be stated in the agreement explicitly, for them to be imposed?

            I am telling you that sanctions should be imposed on Ethiopia. Do you have a problem with thst?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Simon,

            Ok I get what you say now.

            Just because you said “Must” it ain’t going to happen.

            Like I said Eritrea lost the leverage it had on the UN to continue to pressure Ethiopia to comply because it was costing the UN on average 150 million a year. It spent over 1.3 billion for the peace keeping and it sure would not have continued to do so.

            Eritrea gave them the opportunity to leave and they took the short cut. Never since that date, let alone to impose sanctions which are the last resort, the topic has never been an agenda for discussion on the UNSC meeting.

            You may as well wait another 100 years for that.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            It is a ‘Must’ because Ethiopia has violated the agreement.

            The UN also must do its job properly, it is mandatory and not a favour.

            Truth is independent of time. Even in about 4.5 billion years when the Sun is about to run out of fuel, this truth will not change. In the mean time, Eritrea should keep calm and do its development work.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Simon,

            It Must and it will is not the same thing. Why don’t you ask the Palestinian people for the past 50 years.

            If the ERITREAN government does not understand this fact, it doesn’t deserve to be in power to negotiate on behaf of the people.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe Y,

            I don’t want to ask the ‘Palestinian’ people because it is a totally different issue.

            The Eritrean government has earned the right to rule, but it must do this by being benevolent and more inclusive [economically and politically] of the non-Tegadalay public.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Simon; Berhe is simply enlightennly-confused. He thinks he is informed and yet totally clueless. one and the main one PIA’s daring and the most courageous act was to expel the UN peacekeepers. that was absolutely the right thing to do. Berhe obviously has no clue what the so-called UN peacekeepers are doing in west Africa? Berhe does not know what is being done under the name of UN peacekeepers. Whenever i read his posts, i feel like reading an old white man opinion of politics in Africa who has never been in Africa. If not he could have seen and understood the consequences of UN peacekeepers and their crimes. Forgive him!
            by African standard I believe Eritrea is on the right path. with a few changes, i really see great things.

          • Abi

            Hi Simon
            The sun will never run out of fuel. Never. It will automatically switch to solar power.

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            1.3 Billion is a staggering amount! Ethiopia will do the same job for half the cost. Talk about Win-Win situation:)

          • Amde

            Oh Abi..

            “1.3 Billion is a staggering amount! Ethiopia will do the same job for half the cost. Talk about Win-Win situation:)”

            Man – that was funny. The Ethiopian government does make some respectable coin from UN peacekeeping operations. Would General Samora look good with a Blue Helmet?

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            His blue helmet was a little bit too big for his head. Now I know why? It was padded with UN green coins.
            “ያለው ማማሩ የሌለው መደበሩ” አለ አሞራ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Don’t shoot the messenger. Google “UNMEE – Facts and Figures” and you will see. Yes it is staggering.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Berhe Hidrat
            I’m speechless!!!

      • blink

        Dear Hayat

        Once in your life time you have to at least write the truth , You have to know this somalia thing is born in Ethiopia and it does not hold water . It was lies actually it was full of lies filled by weyane cronies and yes of course some people in the opposition clapped until their hand get freezed . The sanction did nothing to the dictator nor does it stop the suffering of the Eritreans . shame that you have such stoke full of lies . We have to oppose by holding the truth .

        • Thomas

          Hi Blink,

          Bring the facts to support your claim otherwise you are not making sense. You talking about lies, what you wrote above has a pack of lies in it, right from start to end. All assumptions because of your hate of the weyanes cannot justify or produce anything except holding the space. Somalia’s alshebab/formerly the courts (the Hawiss or whatever his name is group and many many others) was dining with Issayas after being pushed by the Ethiopian Army. Just know that Ethiopia not Eritrea

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            All About the somalia (Al shebab ) thing is full of lies and it was proved full of lies by UN , so no need to write to you nor to hayat .

          • Berhe Y

            eDear Blink,

            How about General Aweyes showing up in Asmara (hosted by Eritrea) and Eritrea organized the conference of the Somali groups who were later to form the Al-Shebab who created havoc in the region.

            I am not saying Ethiopia is innocent, actually Ethiopia is responsible for all the chaos in Somalia by it’s invasion but how is that Eritrean government responsibility, where the government actually withdraw its membership from IGAD in protest.

            This happens time and again, because Eritrea does not have a parliament, it does not have war council, security council, etc..who can discuss and advice the president on the decision he makes and the consequence he will bear.

            I am sure Eritrean minds when get together would know all these…but we have one man show..in Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe Y
            I thought you do not buy such lies but here you are , now are you saying that none of these participants were part of the transition government which was blessed by the west and weyane cronies ? please sale such thing to other people may be to people in kenya refugee camp , actually they know better , so who will buy your points ? well yes weyane will buy . The fact is Eritrea can not fly even a small drone to Somalia and help al shebab. This somalia thing was full of lies and it was supported by people who thought they can be paid well , it was again false they did not get paid actually some of them get fired from their job . I do not want to go low , What i want to tell you is , all these Ethiopians in this website are having negative effect on the fight against the dictator . People who do not read english and who read english and who has little information about this forum are taking notice and the notice they are taking is really horrifying to listen , i hope the owners and moderators take a trip to all Eritrean opposition paltalk rooms , this forume is getting hammered day and night.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            I don’t know the discussion but to be honest, I personally do not care, what Eritrean government sympathizers think or say. If really, really care about Eritrea and Eritrean people is, they should help the government to adhere to the rule of law, bring those jailed without out charge to court and implement a constitution and plan for proper transition of the government.

            I think personally even if the boarder demarcation takes 50 years, it does not matter. Japan has taken Chinese islands in the war of 1874 I think and Japan still control them, even though before the war, those islands were clearly shown as Chinese in the Japanese maps.

            Every time this issue come, the leaders of China and Japan have decided to defer the issue and are managed to move forward with negotiations that benefit both countries and people.

            We don’t go to extinction saying Badime or nothing…it will resolve when the time comes but what’s worst is the Eritrean people are hold hostage by their own governments.

            Again, I want you listen to speech of Haile DureE in Germany in his own words… It’s really shame to witness Eritrea going through the spiral of death and self destruction.

            I started to wonder how Isayas as a leader is able to achieve Eritrea’s Independence? It doesn’t really make sense, a leader who was able to mobilize the people and the army. But if his actions are any indication, I think he was just a symbol who took all the credit but the real work and leadership was done by the people of Haile DurE…they were the brain behind the communication, the diplomacy, the propaganda, and ultimately the successful execution of the war.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Haile
            The discusion is about HGDEF hand in somalia , I believe the sanction in connection to Al shebab was full of lies . It does not hold any truth and it was proven by the UN as not true .badme will not fly , it will be always Eritrean land what ever the two dictatorial parties say . The dictator may use badme as precondition to keep the youth in chains , i believe also HGDEF can invent new thing to stay in power even if badme is free from weyane.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            I am not in disagreement with you, but Eritrea needs to know the danger that will come it’s way when it decided to host Awyes and hold the conference in Asmara.

            Are you saying Awyes was not hosted in Eritrea? Are you saying Eritrea did not start a war with Djibouti? Which were the reason for the sanctions.

            Eritrea is not Russia or China, it does not have nuclear arms and it can not do as it wish against the powerful. It’s not Eritrea business…I don’t believe you are not naive. The world is not always about just and what’s right but sometimes it’s about influence.

            If you really have a problem to understand this concept then, you should look at the case of the Palestine people.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I agree with you the world is not about just and right but PFDJ do not know that .We Eritreans are not lucky to see Issais in 1991 , he should have died but yet he come to asmara with 1960th diplomacy , we are just not lucky that is all i can say . DIA has not limit to evilness he is just full of arogance or may be who knows he has a plan to destroy Eritrea. I was just telling hayat that this forum is getting hammered in Eritrean paltalk rooms by people who read her posts , do not underestimate the paltalk rooms , they normaly have over 300 people daily , I was shocked to listen people mention her name and all the other people from Ethiopia by nick name and their comment . I want her to know her posts are creating a negative effect in the opposition rooms .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Do you really listen to yourself? Are you saying that Awis/the court’s leader, Sherif and other leaders of the former courts and then later worked with Alshebab never meet in Asmara. This is when we even have videos of their meeting surfaced online and DIA refused to call Al Shebab a terrorist group. Listen on the air, these groups said they have affiliations with the world wonted groups and all. You call people lairs when you are lying in brood light without any back up. You pronouncing the word “lies” means nothing. I tell you what, you are other ignorantly or intentionally lying to us.

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Only if we have listened to Haile DureE in 2001, Eritrea wouldn’t have been in the disaster she is right now. Dure’E’s call for our constitutions to be implemented and that we need to do our homework because the border is a subject that has to be dealt via diplomacy and working with the international community. Man, DeruE was to the point and 15 years ago. Did we move even an inch from almost two decades ago? The funny thing is we still have people who cannot learn and move on……..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            We really are unlucky people…my favorite line…

            ዓቃብ ሰላም እንተ ድአ አትዩ፡ ነዚ ናይ ምሕንጻጽ ዶብ ብጎኒ ዓይኒና ርኢና፡ ብካርታ ማርሻ ክንጉዓዝ አለና፡፡ If the peace keeping force are in, we should leave the border issue to the side line and we should drive in fourth speed to implement our constitution.

            He said, “Weyane will take at least 5 years before it will agree to implement” and said it will come with all kind of excuses …but as long as it’s denied the ability to launch attack it’s not our concern and we should move on with our programs. It’s a fight between the weyane and the international community.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            You really think Ethiopia is responsible for all chaos in Somalia?
            Nice try.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Well actually you are correct the Somali are responsible for the problems in their country. Because they were not able to solve the problems and differences themselves and live in peace they allow others to come and interfere in their internal affairs.

            My comment was, the invasion of Ethiopia in Somalia in 2005, is responsible for all the problems that followed and including the rise of Al-shebab.

            I don’t think Ethiopia had a clear and preset danger as PMMZ said and justification for the invasion. His excuse was, the Islamic courts threaten us to leave the country, because we are invited by the temporarily government in Bidowa there for we have to go in and get rid of the Islamic courts, even though later, they ended up dealing with the same leader they ousted.

            That invasion created a lot of displacement of innocent people including women and children and untold number of deaths.

            Yes, Ethiopia caused all that…Somali was without central government but people were doing well compared to what followed after the invasion.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Sorry for my interjection, but I thought Somali’s civil war embarked in 1991 after Sayad Bare. I think Somali’s issue can never be identified. Even one Somali clan cannot sit in a round table. It was so complicated before, after and now invasion of Ethiopia. I wish the international community were as involved as they are when it comes to Eritrea. I wonder if the international communities are waiting to see the somalia type of conflict in our country for them to get involved.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            In principle any country internal problems should not concern the international community. In most cases, the international community get involved when the situation :

            1) Cause the suffering of a lot of people
            2) When big powers are involved to protect their interests

            Other than that, I don’t think the issue is urgent for them to get involved. Getting involved have a huge cost associated to the international community and I think they ignore it for the most part if it’s urgent.

            Back to your question, I don’t think the Somali are incapable of resolving their difference and live in peace. But they were making huge progress in terms of their people awareness, with democracy, freedom of the press, free speech etc..

            There were a couple of Somali who went to Somalia and setup radio station (call radio) inspired by their experience in Canada who were doing a lot of good. But one of the founder was targeted and killed may be by Al-shebab after words.

            I think Ethiopia involvement gave rise to the Al-Shebab, at least in it’s current forum.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I am with you that Somalis are working towards democracy. Regardless of what people like to call it, they had elections twice and if it is not for the Alshebab destruction they might be way ahead from us.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selamat Berhe, Thomas, & Blink,

            All border issues are resolved by the sitting governments. Governments have the only mandates and powers any issue pertinent border conflicts. Citizens do not have any mandate to address and resolve issues of such magnitudes. They can only exert pressures on their leaders to tackle it diplomatically. Other than that, citizens accusing each other for something do not have any mandate to address and resolve it, is childish to say the least. As citizens we have many challenges to address the plight of our people. We have to know Only Free people can defend their land with courage and resiliency. So please we are losing focus to our challenge. We have to know our mandates and our limits. The border issue is intrastate issue dealt by legitimate governments and are off limit of our responsibilities as individual citizens. Can we understand that? We have debated and written articles right after the decision are given by the court. That is our limits as citizen and we can not debate on it year in year out. If we do it is always a recycled debate and argument. So let us move to do something with in our power.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Thomas

            Hi Amma,

            I am with you on that. Berhe, Paulos, Hayat, Abraham (?) and I are in agreement with what Haile DeRue said 15 years ago. We must focus on resolving our internal issues. Even Dia himself has long stopped mentioning the border demarcation because he thought we are ahead of his game now. You know some people always wanted us to dwell in an unnecessary debate, that is what has been for the last 3-4 days…..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Emma,

            I understand what you mean but if we don’t correct the wrong preception and what’s fed by the government and the sympathizers, they start to believe is as truth.

            The fact is the opposite, had Eritrea cooperated with the UN fully, by know Ethiopia would have bulked. The ERITREAN government had squandered the opportunity, like everything else it out its hands on, and we are in this mess.

            The only way I can see come to conclusion is if Ethiopian government willingly accepted to move on it

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanual
            The day after the Ethiopian government listened to the general public or as you put it ” people exert pressure ” on their government and the government somehow succumbed to the pressure , we will not be talking about the arid land at Badime. No Sir. We will be talking about the water at Denkelia.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi,

            That is actually a smart point. Some people have the ability to bend the course of history where the case in point is when Meles snatched the political victory from the jaws of Isaias so to speak. Isaias was itching for Meles to roll in way beyond Bad’me so that Isaias can appeal to the people’s basic instinct as in “I told you so…. Weyane’s aspiration has always been to bring Eritrea back to the fold…” But again, Meles was ahead of the game where that kind of adventurism was not only handing a political victory over to Isaias but dragging on into a long haul where the Developmental State would’ve been a pipe dream to say the least.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            Do you know the expression “በሜዳህ ላይ ነጥብ መጣል”?
            It is when you lose a game at home field.
            Meles beat IA time and again on his own field.
            What is funny is Meles is beating IA everyday even if he is dead.
            A dead beating a not quite dead.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abi

            “We will not be talking about the arid land at Badime. No Sir. We will be talking about the water at Denkelia.”

            You mean the dusty drinking Water Wells for Camels. Sorry, they are fully occupied for the next fifty years. See you in 2067 – until then you’re free to dream and free to enjoy your freedom (from Eritrea).

          • Abi

            Kemey ወንድም ጋሼ
            What is 50 years for a country that is 3000 years young?
            We are known for our patience. We can wait another 49 short years ( one is gone already . ጋሽዬ ጊዜ እንዴት ይሮጣል እባክህ) and bring ONLY those camels who reside in that area with their water-well . Time goes fast.

            I hear you crying
            “አንታ ጊዜ ጠጠው በል! ቧእ!!”

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abi

            1. – “What is 50 years for a country that is 3000 years young?”

            That is a steal. I thought the 3000 years belonged to to the የሰምየን ሰዎችና ታሪካዊ ምድራቸው? ዛሬስ ደሞ ኣዲስ ታሪክ ልማር ነው መሰለኝ!!!

            2. – “And bring ONLY those camels who reside in that area with their water-well.”

            ኣየ ኣቢየ: “bring ONLY those camels who reside in that area with their water-well” ኣልክ እንዴ? መቸም ኣንተና ቀልድ……

            The grapes are sour anyway ኣለ ይባላል ያገሬ ቀብሮ

          • Abi

            ወንድም ጋሼ
            Is the Eritrean fox vegetarian?
            ጉድ እኮ ነው!!
            ቀበሮ ከጉድጓዱ ወጥቶ የወይን ሀረግ ላይ ሲንጠላጠል! Only in Eritrea!
            In my country foxes don’t climb trees looking for some fruit. They rather follow an ox all day long hoping it will drop its testicles.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abi

            “ጉድ እኮ ነው!! ቀበሮ ከጉድጓዱ ወጥቶ የወይን ሀረግ ላይ ሲንጠላጠል!”

            You’re right! Hard to believe but very true “foxes climbing trees looking for some fruit”.

            የቸገረው: እርጉዝ (pregnant woman by other man) ያገባል ይላል ያገሬ የትግረ ሰው::

            ጉድ ነው…..ግን: ቀይ ባህርና ኣሰብ የወደደ…………. ከጉድጓዱ ወጥቶ የወይን ሀረግ ላይም ቢሆን ይንጠላጠላል

            Crazy world – isn’t it? Anyway, see you in 2067

          • Abi

            Kemey ወንድም ታላቅ
            የቸገረው እርጉዝ ያገባል?
            ስልብ መሆን አለበት ! መቼም ጉድ አያልቅም አንተ መንደር!

          • Dear Abi,

            The trans asia/europe train reached london station some weeks ago. It brings back to memory the old silk trade route. In the same way an Asian/african railway from china all the way to west africa, passing through djibouti, is a possibility in few decades. It is quicker and cheaper than any mode of transportation. The three continents will be connected by land. The addis/djibouti railway could be part of this project of the future. The world is changing and Ethiopia should be prepared for it.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            Looks like the “Zeyla trade route is coming back to our region “.
            Back to አክሱም ስውረ መንግሥት. This trade route was between Axum and India.

            Some years back I read an article proposing a bridge over the Red Sea . Any idea as to what happened to it? Or is it part of the China-Africa route?

          • Dear Αbi,
            I do not know much, but I remember that a bridge was proposed over the strait of bab-el-mandeb by an arab billionaire of the region. I do not think that it got much support, for it demanded a huge amount of money. Nevertheless, I think that it is not dead, simply postponed. Especially now that the silk road is being revived and china is left alone at the driver’s sit of globilization (thanks to america first), i believe that it could be a reality in the near future.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman-H; why is it so hard for you to call a spade is just that spade? I mean, you dance so much and wiggle so amazing, what are you afraid of telling it as is? there was a war and it wasn’t solved through war and the court of law delivered its verdict. why don’t call the TPLF thugs to implement the court’s decision? why? because diplomacy didn’t work resulted in war, war didn’t solved it resulted in to the court of law, as civilized person why not call to the implementation of the court finding?
            wow!

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat and thanks for your views. As you have rightly said, citizens can exert pressure on their leaders to tackle issues diplomatically. In the U.S.A., citizens in the form of grassroots lobbying efforts, certainly have power in numbers to influence the general public to contact legislators and government officials to force issues such as Ethiopia non-compliance with the EEBC decision. So why would you oppose this and how does this distract you from your main objective to topple PIA? Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Ethiopian land should never be forgotten or downplayed for it is a matter of national sovereignty and pride,

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Berhe, yes, Somalia was never as stable as it was when the UIC had control there. But, Ethiopia spoiled it by envading Somalia, backed by the US.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            I think you have it reversed. DIA would like to see the somalia -like of Eritrea and that is why he is insulting and telling his to come and fight him with guns. Listen to what his Ambassadair to Isreal said, “If you have a gut and want to solve your problems, meet us through the border of Sudan”. May be I might have said is differently, but that was the point he was trying to make.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Berhe,
            I think a little reseach and recollection would help. In 2004 there came the newly formed TNG supported by IGAD countries. Remember? They were stationed in Baidoba protected by Ethiopia. Ethiopia made it clear the UIC should not try to move to Baidoba. The UIC was saying so many crazy things emboldened beyond repair. Then they encircled Baydoba and launched military offensive while the TNG and Ethiopian forces were there. I have a document detailing the developments leading to the attack. So, I am not saying anything on whether Ethiopia’s role in Somalia was wise or justified. But the UIC started the attack not Ethiopian forces which didn’t move out of their positions in Baidoba to protect the town and the TNG.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for the comments. Fact is that Ethiopia’s military still maintains a large controlling presence in of Somalia’s Juba and Gedo regions. In effect, Ethiopia have also been illegally occupying parts of Somalia for more than 10 years now.

          • Abi

            Selam Blue Asmara
            Life in Asmara must be blue. You are killing me.

          • Hayat Adem

            Blue,
            Ethiopian forces in Somalia are part of Amisom, funded and mandated by UN and AU. The forces come from 7 or 8 countries to help the TFG. Unless you want the entire Amisom as illegal, I don’t understand how you can be point a finger singling out the Ethiopians.
            Why don’t I ask you this? How do you feel about Ethiopians? Do you hate them? The other day, you told me that you assume either I’m Ethiopian or pro-unity? Earlier you were saying about the unfairness of the sanctions but you didn’t stop there you were sad the sanctions were slapped on Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Hi Abbyisinian Queen
            Amisom sounds Tigrigna derived from Amharic.
            አመሰ -ረበሸ
            አሚሶም – ረቢሾም

            How long are you willing to debate this issue? You think Mr blue is the last one? Believe me Mr Green is on his way followed by the whole crayon box.

            “ያልሰማው ሲመጣ የሰማው ሲሄድ” አሉ ክቡር ከበደ ሚካኤል

          • Hayat Adem

            Only this much sweet Abi. Am already tired.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for your comments. Please kindly note that when Ethiopia unilaterally invaded Somalia in 2006 that it was certainly not a part of AMISOM. Ethiopia withdrew from AMISOM in October 2016 but has yet to withdraw its military troops from Somalia’s Juba and Gedo regions.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Blue,
            Well it was you who said Ethiopia still illegaly occupies Somalia after I explained the 2004-2006. When I brought Amisom, you went back to 2006. Take inventory of your comments and own them in their entirety. Find something that connects all of them. Stay principled and logical.
            The key take away point is Ethiopia has reasons and resources to go to Somalia. Eritrea didn’t. Ethiopia was playing Somalia safe and linked to its and regional interest. Eritrea didn’t. Consequences: Eritrea got isolated and sanctioned. Ethiopia is still part of the regional forces in Somalia supported by UN.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for your comment. Ethiopia does in fact still occupy large swaths of Gedo and Juba regions in Somalia; this presence being outside of any AMISOM arrangement. To recall that Ethiopia claimed that Eritrea had deployed 2,000 troops inside of Somalia as a major reason for its 2006 invasion, a claim incidentally that has never been proven nor are there any indications that it was true.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Blink; you got to understand that is what her job tho! Hayat is employed by the weyane to enhance their image by writing lies and false claims. Deep inside what Hayat wants is the establishments of Agazian nation. She covers it under the “uniting the two people together”
          What she does not know or understand is that idea of uniting is will never happen.

          • Paulos

            Selamat Nitrikay,

            You’re at it again. You’re pissed and when you do, you take it out on the moderators, then you get banned. The pattern goes on…..Maybe its time for intervention as in a session. What say you?

          • abysinay

            yes. WE AGREED TO DIS AGREE…..weldeab weldemariam.

        • Hayat Adem

          Lower your voice, Blink,
          I would like to believe of myself that I always tell the truth and only the truth.
          What are the lies here you are talking about: the fact that IA supported UIC, ARS, Aweys, al-Shebab… These are not my findings. These are findings from the very experts assigned by the international body, the same body placing the sanctions. Do you think they are lying? You could say that to yourself. But the only body who could have successfully disproved them was the IA regime. It didn’t. So, do you want me to join you in calling their finding lies just because you said so? No, thank you. Show the evidence, not until then!

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I believe all you wrote here is a baked one and i always believe your comment has a negative effect than positive to the opposition . The truth is ,The Monitoring Group found no evidence that Eritrea was supporting Al Shabaa. The fact you keep inducing the somali issue indicates your intention . who are you trying to lecture ? I mean we can not continue to debate on such baseless somalia thing.

          • Hayat Adem

            Blink, I am not the one who brought Somalia here. And you are wrong the MG was without evidence. To the contrary, tons of evidences with so much details really. Don’t accuse me of lying and then retreat. Blink and Blue brought it here and here we are forced to discuss it. So, if it has been so much pain to you, we can leave it there.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I admit ,it was my failure for following the thread. Actually i used to read with out posting, i ask you to accept my apology for dropping my two cents , and i was just asking you to admit the sanction did not work as intended and has no merit at all . Sanctions in this globalized world can not work to bring down dictators like the one in Asamara with open seas at his disposal. I intend to leave you there with the details you have from SAHAN Research – founded and directed by Matt Bryden, and we all know how it ended .

      • Blue Asmara

        Salaam Hayat Adem and that for you interesting comments. One must keep in mind that it was only after Meles and the Ethiopian Government refused to respect the EEBC decision; and after the U.S.A., U.N. Security Council and regional coordination mechanisms such as IGAD and AU failed to pressure or sanction Ethiopia into respecting the EEBC decision, did Eritrea, out of lack of recourse, resort to hosting Somali opposition groups in Asmara.

        Regarding the Wikileakes cable, it is correct in that the ‘event’ occurred in 2006 while Obama administration action occurred later while Obama was President; that is not an inconsistency.

        How much of the misery is the PIA regime responsible for directly or indirectly? A lot! But that does not dismiss the fact that Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land and has been a major factor in having U.N. sanctions unfairly slapped on Eritrea which has further exacerbated the plight of normal Eritreans.

        • Hayat Adem

          Okay Blue,
          There was a lot of international pressure on Ethiopia to implement the decision until you calim you were born after 2005. That is why Ethiopia first rejected it, then asked for dialogue, then accpeted it in principle, then came with 5 point plan, then accepted it as is and only asked for talk about implementation. Neguwela himself said “it is not the same when you say I will mary you and when you say I will mary you in principle.”
          Things changed in 2005 when Eritrea harassed and restricted Unmee and undemined TSZ. Eritrea then kicked out all WESTERNER personnel in Unmee. Then Eritrea refused the Canadian diplomat. Then Jundai Frazer. Then Eritrea moved to Somalia to support UIC. Refused to recieve a caall from Clinton. Then supported alShebab. Then ARS. Then attacked Djibouti. Then refused MG a permit to visit Eritrea… Why are forgetting these events?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for your interesting comments. Real and genuine international pressure would have certainly resulted in U.N. sanctions being slapped on Ethiopia. Sorry but I am loosing you when you say ‘That is why Ethiopia first rejected it, then asked for dialogue, then accpeted it in principle, then came with 5 point plan, then accepted it as is and only asked for talk about implementation.’ Also the quote that you mention is not from SRSG Ambassador Legwaila but rather it is from Ambassador Kenzo Oshima, Chairman of the UN Security Council’s Working Group on Peace-keeping Operations and you have taken it out of context. Ambassador Oshima had said that while it would be useful if the Government of Ethiopia were to state publicly that it accepted the Ethiopia-Eritrea Boundary Commission’s (EEBC) decision as “final and binding,” as stipulated by the Algiers peace accord, the Government of Ethiopia continues to agree with the decision only “in principle”. Highlighting the difference, Oshima questioned whether “I will marry you in principle” meant the same as “I will marry you unconditionally.”

          • Hayat Adem

            Blue,
            You are giving me a moving target and don’t believe that I am not noticing that. But that is okay if we do it without boring awatistas here.
            1) Sanctions don’t come instantly. That was not how they came to Eritrea. It was after so many exchanges and slowly moving inch by inch. So, the verdict came in 2002. Then there were phases of clarifications and explanation for the a year or so. Then Ethiopia went very tactical with out blantly rejecting it.
            2) You must understand this is an arbitration by a commission based on agreed platform and not a court’s decision. it allows changes if both parties want to do change. And it gives responsibility of implementing the decisions to both parties, not to a 3rd party. This is an element that many don’t appreciate. the others are only witnesses not guards. So Ethiopia was playing it safe not to be isolated or reprimanded. Low level pressures and applying diplomatic instruments, yes. Sanctions because of failing to implement the agreement, very unlikely. If that was the case, Eritrea would have been sanctioned much earlier for kicking out the UNMEE and violating the integrity of TSZ.
            3) For sanction to happen on any country, there must be a victim tabling and making a case and convincing the bench. the Eritrean regime didn’t file a case. Even if it did, it would be difficult to convince others as wronged warranting a sanction. And Ethiopia knows how to play this game and would adjust itself before going and daring as far as being sanctioned.
            4) That is why Ethiopia was trying to navigate safely. It tried to reject and call for another mechanism. Then, it sensed the mood of the international powers, and softened its stand to “accepting in principle” and that was not good enough in the eye of the international community. hence the quote of marriage in principle. I thought it was Legewala but maybe apparently not.. but the context is right. So, Ethiopia tried to come up with 5 points call. Those steps Ethiopia was taking were due to the pressure from the powers to be. Lastly, Ethiopia accepted without ifs as they are and tried to sell it to its citizens. Ethiopia sensed a dangerous and costly political temperature from the army and the local citizens and had to slightly adjust back one more time, i.e. dialogue-to-demarcate as opposed to dialogue-before-demarcation. All these adjustments were coming from feeling the international pressure of fearing more of it in the future.
            5) While every pressure point was directed at Ethiopia, our government grew impatient (well not really, but after it did some ground preparation, it thought it had a chance to dislodge Ethiopia by force) it kicked out Unmee. The rest you, you knew… that planned failed… then Somalia.. then… ARS…then Andargachew Tsige.. Molla Asgedom.. G7..
            6) While every disgruntled politician and hater and every terrorist was being welcomed to Eritrea, the Eritrean youth were fleeing the country like they were running away from an erupting volcano. And here you are arguing not about correcting the situation for them but correcting the situation for the bloody regime, even worse about why Ethiopia was not sanctioned. It is so absurd. Why doesn’t that surprise me though? Because it is what it is: this regime feeds on absurdities. Those who follow it are in for its junkies. It can make them believe in anything. if a regime can make you buy its absurdities, believe me it can make you do a lot of bizarre stuff. Voltaire said: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayet Adem and thanks for your comments. However, there are ‘No if, and or buts’ about the EEBC decision for which the Ethiopian Government clearly violated when it outrightly refused to accept the EEBC decision as final and binding.

            Article 4.15 of the Algiers Agreements said:

            “…The parties agree that the delimitation and demarcation determinations of the Commission shall be final and binding. Each party shall respect the border so determined, as well as the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the other party…”

            U.N Security Council sanctions are designed into three categories:

            Category 1: Sanctions that are designed to force cooperation with international Law.[
            Category 2: Sanctions with the purpose to contain a threat to peace within a geographical boundary.
            Category 3: Sanctions that involve the United Nations Security Council’s condemnation of actions of a specific action or policy of a member/non-member nation.

            Ethiopia’s outright refusal to accept the EEBC decision as final and binding meant that all three categories of sanctions could have easily been applied and rather quickly had the U.S.A. and P5 wanted it to be so.

            You seem adamant on asserting that anyone that holds Ethiopia accountable for disrespecting the EEBC decision and for continuing to illegally occupy Eritrean land must be a PIA/PFDJ supporter which is simply not the case.

          • Selam Blue Asmara,
            For all practical purposes, the agreement was cancelled by both governments. When the eritrean regime in breach of the agreement, drove out the eebc and occupied the demilitarized zone, it was equivalent to saying that the agreement was null and void. You insist that ethiopia should be sanctioned and forced to comply. When both parties do not abide by the agreement, the world community is no more interested. This is exactly what happened.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon and thanks for your reply but there simply is no explanation along the lines of ‘For all practical purposes, the agreement was cancelled by both parties’ for the decision which was rendered by the EEBC , was certainly not within their purview of either Ethiopia or Eritrea to cancel for it was a matter of Rule of Law for which Ethiopia continues to refuse to respect.

          • KBT

            Selamat
            What is the 5 points plan ?
            Never understood

    • Paulos

      Selamat Semayawit Asmara,

      All the props to you for holding out solo but I say, its time to call for a back up say from Madote or Tesfanews.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Paulos,

        What do you think of attempting to refute his arguments, instead of sidetracking?

        • Paulos

          Selam Simon,

          Simply because he doesn’t have a point. Evidently, you are missing the pun.

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam All..Wikileaks cable from US Embassy in Addis Ababa in 2008:

    “…Meles has always indicated in very private meetings that he is willing to compromise on Badme if it would bring sustainable peace, but it would cost him his prime ministership. Until there are signs of compromise from Eritrea towards an Ethiopian solution (normalization of relations in conjunction with demarcation), Meles is stuck in the current impasse…”

    And from an interview with Susan Rice in 2009:

    “…The outbreak of hostilities in 1998 between Eritrea and Ethiopia was never about the border dispute in Badme and Zelambessa… It was about economic and political differences…Meles noted that after conflict broke out and the cessation of hostilities agreement was negotiated, a 26 mile buffer zone located in the Eritrean side was advocated by hard-liners on the Ethiopian side only as a means to humiliate Isaias…”

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam All..Below is a quote from Meles during an interview conducted by IRIN in 2003::

    “…When we were told Asmara is not Ethiopian, when we were told Asseb is not Ethiopian we said – sure, if the Eritrean people think that Asseb is Eritrea and not Ethiopia, that’s alright. And we went to Asmara and celebrated with the Eritreans the independence of Eritrea. Badme is not bigger than Asmara. Badme is not more important than Asseb by any stretch of the imagination. It is some godforsaken village. So it’s not about territory. According to the latest rendition of the Boundary Commission, Badme would be 800 metres inside Eritrea. What’s 800 metres in a country as big as Ethiopia? What’s 800 metres compared to what we willingly and happily gave up as Eritrea? It’s nothing. But it is 800 metres which we are told is something it has never been, and something that it will never be. That’s the point. That’s the crux of the matter…”

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    There were two people who run out of food and with empty stomach traveling somewhere. And then they saw two others on the side of the road feasting on a fresh meal. One of the hungry men suggested to his friend in a similar situation that they shouldn’t be bashful to go and ask permission to join.
    “We should try and ask them to let us join and eat some.”
    “What if they say NO?”
    “In that case, we’ll still be hungry.”
    Dear Eritreans what do we lose by trying peaceful cooperation. The message is for those folks who worry much about border and Badime. Badime war broke nearly 2 decades ago. Is this regime any closer to have it fixed by of doing more of what it has been doing? Border was ruled 15 years ago. Are we any inch closer to have it demarcated than we were 15 Eritrea slipped into pariah status and punitive sanction 8 yrs ago. So besides the untold crimes and bleeding this regime has inflicted on our people, it is never capable of defending and securing the border nor advancing national interests. I highly recommend everyone to read what Ghezae Hagos wrote so beautiful “curse god and die”. The Miscalculator-in-Chief would keep on provoking and provoking until the entire world believes in the inability of Eritrea to live in peace, as if it was inherent.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Hayat Adem and thank you for your thought provoking comments. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either Ethiopian or are pro-unity. With all due respect, it is not for the regime to fix the issue of Badme in so long as Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy it. Western powers and the U.N. Security Council should have long ago slapped sanctions on Ethiopia for not abiding by the EEBC decisions. Instead, it has unfairly slapped sanctions on Eritrea and with ‘Bush-like weapons-of mass-destruction’ evidence to support its illicit actions.

      Say that PIA dies today and he is replaced by a Gandi type of leader. Do you really think that Ethiopia would then be open to withdrawing from Badme? if Badme is so insignificant as many wish to infer, then why has Ethiopia simply not withdrawn from the land?

      What I am saying is that along with attacking PIA/PFDJ, it would be useful to at the same time, apply pressure on Ethiopia, Western powers and the U.N. Security Council; in regards to Badme and in regards to how U.N. sanctions have and continue to be inconsistently and unfairly applied.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Blue,
        I choose to leave you with your assumptions or what they lack thereof. This is not out of disrespect but to save myself from such boring and no-value-adding explanations.
        But on the other issues, Ghandi or Ghanien, just give me a pragmatist leader and leadership that solve all or most pending and new problems one after the other. IA and his regime manifacture problems every single day.

        Are you out of your mind? How do you think Ethiopia would withdraw from Badime unilaterally before dialogue and demarcation? I am told there are areas in our control that are also ruled for Ethiopia the same way Badime is. Have we withdrawn from those? The thing is we need to talk to demarcate and effect territorial transfer. To do that there were APA mechanisms in place which are dismantled by IA. It is not only the ruling that is final and binding. It is the entire APA. For example, there has to be TSZ, 5here has to be Unmee, there has to be demarcation. All these were undone by IA deliberately so that he will be able to use it as excuse with his apologists and contnue to bleed the nation.

        • Blue Asmara

          Hi Hayat Adem and thanks for providing a reply. The issue of a bad leadership -in the way of PIA- should not be confused with Badme and Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Eritrea. Again, I
          believe that it is beneficial to reflect on what actually transpired following the announcement of the EEBC ruling. First, the Government of Meles Zenawi blatantly refused to implement the border EEBC because it said that it had no reasonable guarantee that such action would alter the aggressive adversarial strategic posture of Eritrea. Second and at that time, the Meles regime believed that if it permitted border demarcation and the return of Badme, only to face the continue onerous security rivalry with Asmara, it would pay high domestic costs. So only after some time, did voices emanate from Addis Ababa indicating that Meles had accepted the decision ‘in principle’ but demanded negotiations on the normalization of relations before it would permit the disputed border to be returned to be demarcated (and return Badme to Eritrea). Eritrea responded by invoking language of the Algiers accord and asserted that because the EEBC decision was designed to be ‘final and binding’ attempts to link its implementation to the normalization of relations were ‘ipso facto’ a violation of existing agreement between the two parties. While the Eritrean position was not viewed uncritically from an international legal perspective, it did have the facts on its side. After all, both Eritrea and Ethiopia signed on the dotted line. In November 2004, Ethiopia presented its ridiculous ‘Five-Point Peace Plan’ which was a Necker Cube of sorts and did nothing to bring anything new to the table; as Ethiopia still wished to negotiate broader issues such as Assab Port use into the equation. It was only after Ethiopia Five-Point Peace Plan had been presented did President Isaias later in December 2005 request UNMEE to leave as he felt that they had no real purpose and were only supporting the status quo. Had Badme been demarcated back in 2002, its physical demarcation would have been a rather simple matter given population sparsity in the area but that has changed considerably as the Ethiopian Government has since 2002 actively supported a villigization campaign for the area and population density and fixed assets have dramatically increased.

          • Thomas

            Hi Hayat,

            I hear you this new guy, Blue Asmara, after 15 years of the Badme war tend to enjoy talking about Badme. He is so boring and he even tend to talk about the UN sanction as if it has to do anything with Ethiopia. The UN sanction on the Isayas regime was because of Djibouti and Somali Alshebab, really nothing to do with Badme or Ethiopia. We are all Eritreans unless we see things from both sides (balanced, unbiased) we will be blinded from making good judgements. This Blue guy is not different from Nitricc, I can tell you this.

          • Amde

            Selam Thomas,

            What if Blue Asmara is Abraham Isaias? hmmm…?

            Fresh Prince of Badme….

          • Thomas

            Hi Amde,

            We will never know who is on the other end. That is the faulty line of the internet:) I wish if everyone was forced to use Skype video conference to connect to this website. I would be very excited the Nitricc or the Blue Asmara. I have already seen the “Tsatse” guy and things have become so easy to to understand him:) We could be talking to some robot which set/program to say the something over and over again.

          • Abi

            Hi Tomi
            I really like to see General Nitricc’s canines. All 32 of them while growling .

          • Thomas

            Selam Abi,

            I would like to see if he is as young as he wanted us to think. It would be nice to see him laughing and crying at the same time, listening to him voicing his master’s name, the eye contact to see if he truthful or making things up. We could have learned a lot about this guy and to effectively study him further.

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam Everyone: No pun intended against anyone here, but it appears that well over 80% of commenters here are either Ethiopian or pro-unity. Unless a broader cross-section of commenters is achieved, this website will rightly or wrongly be perceived as sympathetic towards the cause of the Ethiopian Government and will therefore be unable to gain real traction. Instead of being concentric on simply toppling PIA, issues such as Badme and the disparity between how the U.S.A. and the U.N. Security Council in how they treat Eritrea compared to Ethiopia, do in fact need to be discussed.

    • Paulos

      Selam Blue Asmara,

      You’re being too modest with the numbers. I say, this website is either 95% full of Ethiopians or pro-unity Eritreans. Here is my fav line in the movie “Fast Times At Redgiment High”, “You wanna do somethin’ about it?”

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Paulos and thanks for the ‘correction’. I tend to agree in that your cadre probably make up closer to 95%. ‘Fast Times at Ridgemont High’? Obviously, films that you watch, are clearly at a different intellectual level than those that I prefer.

        • Paulos

          Selam Blue Asmara,

          Intellectual level? Would you care to elaborate on that? Here is another line in that movie I like by Spicolli the goofy character played by Sean Penn. He walks in to his first day class with the registration paper in his hand. The fact that he was late, the history teacher got pissed off and he tore off the paper and Spicolli says to the teacher, “What’s your problem dude?”

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Blue Asmara,

      I think it’s a mistake to assume that, those of us who oppose the Eritrean president for his sole decision that lead the country to destruction are labeled as “Pro-Unity”.

      First and for most, who told you that Ethiopia needs unity in the first place. As far as I know, except the kinjit leftover who are hosted in Eritrea, who wanted Eritrea unification and advocate for Eritrean invasion and take over Eritrean territories.

      As far as the EPRDF government is concerned, they have been consistent in Eritrean independence and respecting it’s sovereignty even to the determinant of their power.

      If you want proof, why did Ethiopia agreed to go to the courts to in the first place. Who could have forced Ethiopia if it refused to negotiate and go to the court, do you think anyone could have forced them to? Probably the Ethiopian government regret the decision in retrospect.

      You are correct Eritrea position at the SC needs to be discussed, but I think it’s better for Eritrea to focus on it’s internal problems and let it live in peace with itself and leave the world problems to those that mater. Like we said ሳእንኻ ማዕረ እግሪኻ

      Eritreans have supported the Eritrean government positions (even those who turned opponent today, including me) during the 1998-2000 war. I supported it because, I felt Eritrea was on the right and it’s position was principled with international norms and rules. It was also represented at the highest level, Haile DurE as FM and Haile Menkorios as UN Ambassador who knew tactfully how to navigate the corridors of power and the international diplomatic circles. Two diplomats who also were responsible (during the Eritrean referendum).

      If you ask me, I think Haile DuruE tough and practical negotiation skills that led the involvement of the UN and Ethiopia’s agreement to go to the courts. He left them no room for excuse ……

      This was clearly demonstrated in the speech he gave at the Germany, please google, “EritreanVid SUBTITLED: Best Eritrean Speech (3ms): ‘It is Time For Change”. Also in the letter US chief negotiator Anthony Lake letter to the Boston Globe, in response to the speech the Eritrean Ambassador.

      Berhe

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    Due time constraints, I didn’t think you for reading the article and to the four of you who discussed it 😂 Many don’t like this feature but it’s one of my favorites: if there is any similarity between the comments and the article they appear under, it’s only coincidental.

    Some of our compatriots don’t have the patience to listen to IA drone on for hours; some can’t stand listening to his voice or seeing his mug on TV; some (I suspect just a few) listen attentively and get assurances and guidance from his words. I do for the reasons Ghezae and Berhe stated; I do because this website is used as reference by researchers; and I do to collect combat pay from awate team. This year it was also because I pledged I would if you do something besides start at the Donate box

    saay

    • Paulos

      Selamat Saay,

      This may sound lame but one of the reasons I watch him is that I find his body language fascinating where the three musketeers cringe with fear to the point of trembling voice when he asks one of them to repeat the question. Moreover, Isaias is unique in a lot of ways where he seems to have understood the power of curiosity and suspense as he leaves us to speculate come New Year “interview.” Of curious note, no one seems to care to write a biography for the reason could as well be he is too reclusive and insulated in his own world even those who knew him from Adam feel an eerie distance from the man who is too familiar and yet a stranger to the rest of us.

    • Amde

      Selam Saay,

      Hahaha….. That is wonderful…but I don’t know what the equivalent of the dog would be for this community. National Lampoon didn’t threaten to commit suicide, only to do something worse.

      Minor technical quibble on my part. I still can’t donate through PayPal. Tried through my phone and computer. The problem seems to be that once PayPal OKs the transaction, it has trouble getting back to Awate.com, and keeps telling me “donate.awate.com refused to connect.” I don’t know if other people had the same/similar issue but it has consistently been the case for me.

      You had a list of things your would do if the donors met some threshold. I love your Donald, and since this is a piece about Isayyas, my wish is to see you pen a scene of the two discussing. What on earth would they be discussing? Well, surprise us.

      Amde

      • saay7

        Selamat* Amde:

        I am sure the awate tech support are working on addressing the PayPal issue. And by “I am sure” I mean “I hope.”

        The Donald and the Issu were discussing Merkel 🙂

        I have heard I do the *BEST* impressions of Donald. Some people, important people, have and said it’s by far the best. Fabulous. But the dishonest media won’t tell you that… have you seen the Netherlands hilarious tourism-parody video inviting Trump to visit their country and the announcer does it in deadpan Trump style with a truckload of superlatives? You haven’t? SAD!

        https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ibZ1aNUSHL4

        As for impression of Isaias, a few years ago, there was an Eritrean anniversary of Forto and I asked myself what kind of message would he send those who tried to overthrow him? Then I recorded an audio in his voice and shared it with very very good friends. They said it was fabulous fantastic the best etc etc etc. The publisher of asmarino has a copy and he blackmails me with it ocassionally.

        saay

        • Amde

          Selam Saay,

          Well .. that doesn’t explain the Selamatat …Greetingtings? not saying it isn’t feasible..

          Thank you for the Dutch video, which I had seen before, but you led me to a bonanza of shows from other countries making similar videos, which were all new. Apparently they are following the Dutch example and they are all combined at http://everysecondcounts.eu/

          That was a treat. My favorites so far are between the Swiss and the Germans

          Amde

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello AT, Saay, and Amde.

        Now you have me worried. I used the direct credit card option last week, and everything went too-good-to-be-true fast. I was not offered a receipt, and I was ok with that until now. I just checked for any charges on my card and I don’t see any. I signed up for the X a month commitment, so I am not sure whether the delay is caused by Awate or the system didn’t do what it was supposed to do. Hmmm!

        [Awate Team: let me/us know if we can help]

        • Selam Fanti,

          The system is working fine. Please check our reply to Amde, both were tested again and are working. However, some credit card payments are not reflected on your account for a few days depending on the bank. If possible, please let us know of the payment details so that we will tell you when it appears or if it has already appeared on our records. If possible, please use the following e-mail address:

          Thank you

      • Selam Amde,
        Which link are you using? That will help us identify the problem.

        • Amde

          Selam Awate,

          I used https://donate.awate.com/en-US/

          from where I use PayPal, which asks me to confirm the transaction to appear on my credit card. I say YES, and it tries to come back to Awate.com but then stps saying

          “This site can’t be reached.
          donate.awate.com refused to connect.”

          I sent email to support@awate.com providing slightly more detail.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Abi,

    You are focusing on the wrong part of the comment. My comment was not to justify what people called him, but rather to find out who this guy is and why he does what he does. You are shocked by what people may have called him but not but what he does sending thousands of Eritreans to their death. Let alone that he should be called a lot more worst. You fall in the same guilty trap that Eritreans find themselves when dealing with this devil character.

    I have heard about his time he spend on Dessie and his CIA recruitment. But there is photo evidence with his graduating class in Asmara (Luel Mekonnen).

    The point is no body knows this guy but he knows everyone else with his extensive network of informants and database he build over the last 40 years.

    Berhe

    • Abi

      Berhe Hawey
      Ras Abi , a guilt trap and Isayas Afeworqi in the same sentence? Really? I prayed for his death while someone by the name Berhe Beyene was ready to die for him.
      From what I understand, this guy hates you passionately. The thing is he was not ready to lord over a tiny and insignificant country called Eritrea. No Sir . He was aiming at the big fish. You got in the way, Meles showed him the door with some ጎጆ መውጪያ .

      How is Semere Andom. Please tell him I kind of miss him.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Forum, Ethiopia, in collaboration with countries like Eritrea, Kenya and South Africa are working to undermine the ICC by encouraging member states to opt out of the ICC. Does this give an indication to the suspicion that the Weyanes and Shaebiya are indeed two sides of the same coin? And that both are working to the destruction of the Eritrean nation?

    • Dear Abraham H,

      I do not think that the icc would be enough reason to bring them together, either to benefit or harm the state of eritrea. The icc as seen by african dictators as the whiteman’s club to blackmail african dictators, was in the air for a long time now, with kenya and other african countries more vociferous about it than ethiopia and eritrea. Simply it is a way african dictators want to get out of the grip of the world community and save their skin, especially when they are deposed. This way they can flee to any african country and live with no consequences for their crimes.

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Abraham,

      AhhhDOHHh!

      tSAtSE

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    Completely off-topic, but don’t let it stop me.

    Apparently the Indian government is starting to consider UBI (Universal Basic Income). I don’t know if the link is going to work, but I saw this piece in The Economist. (India flirts with a UBI)

    http://www.economist.com/news/finance-economics/21716025-india-taking-idea-universal-basic-income-seriously-if-not

    Most of our governments are working on the paradigm of selling cheap labor as a way to get to a better future. But if the government of India is basically saying that no labor is going to be cheaper than robot labor, what does it mean for us? We missed the Agro Revolution, Industrial Revolution, IT Revolution. (We sure did not miss the Revolution Revolution … haha) And now the robot revolution is upon us. This is qualitatively different than the others, or is it?

    Amde

    • Abi

      Amdachin
      What revolution are you talking? We are on the revolving door. Revolving and revolving and revolving and and and….

      • Amde

        Selam Abi,

        Well that brings new meaning to የተሽከርካሪ ኣደጋ.

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      If Karl Marx has anything to his credit, it is his “prediction” about the rise of the machines as in advanced technology over human capital. That said however, it is the usual alarmist farvor where robots with an A.I. would conquer the plantet but in reality will only be confined to an over-active imagination al’a “The Matrix” and Asimov’s “I Robot.”

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        OK, let’s not go into sci-fi and stay in the real world and just think about employment.

        India is poised to be the world’s third largest economy in a decade or less. But even with that, they must feel they need a change in the social support paradigm. A UBI would be efficient – you just get it for being a citizen. You don’t need to fulfill some bureaucratic requirement, (e.g. prove you are disabled or that you are a single parent etc…) which also means you need to fund less of the bureaucratic infrastructure to do the vetting and assessing etc.. That answers the now. Then it positions the system to address the low(er) employment future.

        It is rather astonishing India has a biometric computerised system for its 1.2BLN+ population that they feel they can do this.

        Amde

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Paulos & Amde,

        Of course Marx was right about the effect of automation and the rampant of unemployment of human being will either lead human being to uncontrollable of choas and wars or bring a system that distribute the wealth created by the automation of technology among the world population. Though we might not see it in our lives, the signs and symptoms from the matrix and Asimov’s imagination realities are true indicators to Marx’s farsight ingenuity.

        Regards

        • Dear Amanuel H.,

          In line with your comment, if I remember well, Karl Marx had said that communism will be reached through highly developed capitalism, and that was the reason he picked the developed countries of his time, the uk and germany, he believed would be the first countries to reach the stage of communism ahead of others. On the contrary, I think that it was Lenin, who wanted to shorten this transition period through the dictatorship of the proletariat.

          Automation, cheap and ample production of commodities, and the recently talked about minimum guaranteed income for all citizens, could be seen as the precursors that will one day prove that K. Marx was right in predicting the future. Of course, he had also said that it all depends on who owns the means of production, the masses (the government) or the few corporates.

          It looks like that capitalism is going to its gradual self-destruction, because if profit cannot be sustained through production and consumptions, and the consumers do not have the money to purchase goods because of joblessness due to automation, I really find it difficult to imagine how the present neo-liberal capitalism would be sustained and society extricates itself from permanent economic crises, unless…….

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            “ከእያንዳንዱ እንደችሎታው፣ ለእያንዳንዱ እንደፍላጎቱ! ”
            That is communism according to ሦስቱ አጋንንቶች.
            Do you remember the statue of Guad Lenin in Addis? If you remember that SOB was holding his coat by the collar. He was saying “እኔም እንደናንተ አንዲት ኮት ናት ያለቺኝ”.
            The people replied ” አንተ ከመምጣትህ በፊት ሦስት ኮት ነበረኝ!

        • Paulos

          Selam Emma,

          History has been kind to Karl Marx for his insight in understanding about the forces of history. As the colloquial goes, he turned his mentor as in Hegel upside-down when the latter was under the impression that it was the clash of ideas as in thesis and untithesis–fundamental entities behind the engines of history. That said however, Marx is proved all wrong about the future of societies where his cardinal flaw is his lack of understanding about human instinct or nature. Thomas Moore’s Utopian society or communism only finds it existence in an ideal or imaginative world. In short, the very fact that Man is self centered and selfish, it is impossible for Man to live in a society where the modes operandi is “every one to his needs…..” One other flaw where he had been a prisoner of his era is that; he and later his disciple Lenin disqualified under-developed nations as a bastion of natural resources of capitalist nations where both assumed that they (third world naions) will not be able to stand on their own. The rise of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) is a testament to that effect after the dramatic rise of the Tiger nations. Of any interest at all, there has been a new school of thought if you will that has recently challenged Karl Marx’s sense of history by a ground breaking work particularly by Yale Professor—Amy Chua in her book “World on Fire” argues that, the forces of history are not the dynamics or clashes between the haves and the have-nots rather it is the clash between minorities and majorities in societies where remarkable enough the minority ethnic groups control the political and economic aspect of a society. Convincingly she cites the Alawites in Syria, the Chinese in the Philippines, the Japanese in certain Latin American countries, the Lebanese in West Africa and she also mentions Eritreans in Ethiopia until mid-90s.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            So, Amy Chua is saying the struggle is between a stagnant majority and a dynamic minority/oligarchy?

            So how would she rate Japan, or many of the Western European democracies?

            It sounds rather like a self serving argument for justifying ethnic Chinese economic dominance in south eastern Asia.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            That’s a brilliant point. My answer is, I really don’t know. Maybe Awatistas can have a say or two on it.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            I read the book about ten years ago and if I remember correctly, she was born and brought up in the Philippines into a wealthy Chinese family and as you have pointed it out, her thesis probably emanated from her personal experience.

          • Abi

            Paul, Paul,Paul
            You are pushing it!
            “…Eritreans in Ethiopia until mid-90s”.
            I see a shooting squad Suffering from affluenza lining up to shoot you down from becoming Awatista of the Year.
            አምላክህ ይጠብቅህ

            The thing is the situation in Ethiopia is the same except Amy Chua does not understand the difference between መወሳወሲ / መንቀሳቀሲ

          • Amde

            Abiti,

            In all fairness, Paulos is just quoting Amy Chua.

            But…. don’t say anything bad about the Southern Command of our AgAziyan Republic overlords.

            I wish Awate didn’t decide to squelch debate on the AgAziyan article. That guy envision had a useful response that didn’t make it past the censor.

            According to him, AgAziyans believe PFDJ and TPLF were just working on separate halves of the problem. Their separate halves are now solved, i.e. political and economy hegemony by Tigrinya speakers in their separate halves. The next step is to unite the two halves. Which of course means loss of hegemony for the southern half over the larger and wealthier entity it controls.

            The AgAziyan Dilemma: Unite and Lose It. Or Divide and Use It.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            I don’t pretend to know more magnetism than the engineer. Uniting the two halves is defying nature itself.
            Similar sides repel.

          • Amde

            Abi,

            Hence why it would be great for the popcorn business.

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            Popcorn business was booming in Addis back in the days.
            ከሚበሉት የሚበትኑት!!
            My late grandmother used say
            ኧረ ጡር ነው እህሉን አትበትኑት:: ከተራበ ለጠገበ ነው ማዘን::

          • Amde

            Abi,

            She is a wise woman..

            Speaking of popcorn, have you seen these two Japanese killing it with comedy in Amharic. Check out the guy ordering popcorn… except it wasn’t popcorn….

            https://youtu.be/d_vAiGpUYPI?t=238

            I love their act.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Thanks for sharing. Dudes rock! I would expect Chinese kicking Amharic but Japanese? That’s swell.

          • Amde

            Paulos,

            Isnt it great? I loved the sly critique of Tewahdo .. whether it was a polytheistic religion posing as a monotheistic one.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            Thanks. How about the outfit?

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi,

            You should see me laughing. How about I go on ansestory website and my great grandma happens to be from your village? Would I still have your back?

          • Abi

            Selam Paul
            No! You don’t have my back. You have my chest.
            ጀርባዬንማ አልሰጥህም! ምን ሲታሰብ ? ደረቴን እንጅ ! ላንተ ያልሆነ ደረት!
            I’m glad you laughed.

          • Paulos

            Am grateful my dear brother!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Paulos,

            Well read brother. Imagine for a moment, China with a population of 1.386 billion to govern its population with “haves and have not” system of government. The world will face unimaginable instabilities of epic proportion. China has universal healthcare and universal educational system. China feed its population well above the “average standard” of living. Look US the richest country in the world with a population of 0.32 billion population, where one would think the system will raise the standard of all its population to what we call an average middle class . But what we see now is the middle class is shrinking, the have not is growing exponentially, and the richness of the country is consolidating to the very few top billionaires and millionaires where the power of politics and power of economy is in their hand. Imagine to attempt introducing such system to China the most populated nation in the earth….imagine…..imagine what kind of storm will wreak to humanity. Capitalism as one stage of socio-economic development and its mantra “competition” is magnificent to drive socio-economic development to certain stage until the technology and automation replace human labor. Once it reached that stage, capitalism can not mange to govern society and hence it should give away to the next stage of socio-economic relationships. That is what Marx taught us about the trajectory of social development. Remember Marx didn’t see imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism. Lenin did. Therefore, once the virtual world of robot machines becomes realities, and human labor becomes extinct, slowly but surely the relationship of production with in societies will change, unless as in economics, the law of diminishing return, will take us to an epic war of human race to recycle the social development.

            Talking about Amy Chua and her book “World on fire” she is only accounting what I call it “phenomenon within a phenomenon.” She does not explain the trajectory of social development, the dialectical approach of social development, the class struggle between the haves and have not. Marx and Engles clearly defined the five stages of social development and its dynamics within the development and the negation of each stage. Just in our lives we are witnessing the aging of capitalism where the system can not resolve the conflict between the have and have not, and how soon we might not know but sign of transformation from one stage to the other looks inevitable.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            Many thanks for those kind words. It is no small wonder to observers and thinkers alike that a one party system has managed to control over a billion people for over half a century. If one digs into the political archeology of China, one sees a fundamental catch where after the death of Mao in the late 70s, the then emerging leadership clearly understood that economic openness or liberalism was the way forward lest the people implode in a social uprising. And it was precisely the genius of Deng Xiaoping that we witness today the remarkable rise of China. As long as the people live well, people remain indifferent to political tight space if you will. Moreover, China boasts over a thousand year old strong sense of legalism that traces its origin in Meritocracy as in Confucianism where it became one of the pillars in strong government bureaucracies.

            In 1815 during the Congress of Vienna right after the defeat of Napoleon, world leaders gathered to gauge a road map to contain if not to nip any revolutionary farvor that could potentially threaten Europe particularly the establishment. Even though the powers understood that one of the reasons people rise up was because of economic discontent, they overlooked the fundamental fact that absolute poverty was the main culprit. It was in light of this sense of history that Marx wrote his magnum opus which later influenced generations. A century later however, Europeans learned a harsh lesson when they went through two major wars which cost millions of lives. Again European powers went on to devise a social safety-net to transform absolute poverty into relative poverty where Marxist violent revolution was replaced with socialist reforms with in political parties as in Social-Democrats. Moreover, Marx could not forsee the dynamic role of the middle-class when he disparaged them as opportunists as in petit-bourgeoisies. It was this lack of forsight that among other things he was way off and delved more into the supplementation of the would be machines over human capital in the future. He was wrong.

            Sure enough, the cornerstone of capitalism is the Invisible-Hand in a competitive world. But again when inventions and innovations are its engine, I don’t subscribe to the notion that capitalism is in its final stage including in America. The sociologist Max Webber was right when he wrote “Protestanism And The Spirit Of Capitalism.” As long as humanity embraces ethics of hard-work and reward in a liberal democratic system, capitalism- the true reflection of the human spirit remains immortal.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Paulos,

            So Paulosay, are you telling me the current system of US, where 20 people own as much wealth as half of all Americans, will also work to a highly populated nation like China? I believe it won’t. Now 20 people own half the wealth of the US population, and as the merging of big companies continue unabated and the conflict of automated industries and human labor reached its climax, the talk will be different and the discourse of societies will be charted differently to negate the current.

            regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            What I am saying is that capitalist economic system in tandem with liberal-democracy is the best system which is proven to be with no match at all. People talk about the welfare states as in the Scandinavian countries but the tax burden robes an incentive to an entrepreneural spirit. Again, I am not saying it is a perfect system but the best and only alternative. Sure enough, the wealth is accumulated pretty much under the 10% of the population but remember they are the one’s who create jobs, fund as in charity higher learning institutions among other things. It is only in a capitalist system that a nobody from unassuming village somewhere in any corner of the world becomes somebody as long as the person works hard.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Paulos,

            What we are talking is when jobs are created to be done by robot machines and when human labor is limited to very small genius individuals for programming the high tech out there. Remember the issue is when human labor is replaced by robot machines and the income goes to the wallet of few individuals, and the rest, the overwhelming majority of the population have nothing to come to their pockets for their subsistence. So how does capitalism and liberal democracy will address to such inevitable scenario? You are attempting to respond with the current where we are as we speak. We are talking about situations may be few decades or a century ahead scenario.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma,

            Apologies for the late reply. Got tied up with stuff. I see your point but thing is there had been at times hyped up apprehension when there was a shift in technological advancement say when craftsmanship was replaced with heavy machines as in the emergence of industrialization. The hyperbole turned out to be for what it is for the system was able to adjust to the major shift. Moreover, as we had it in the thread the other day, machines even if you call them robots, can not outsmart humans only they can outpace us if you will. That said, the existing system will again adjust to the prevailing major shifts where the final countdown or showdown between humans and machines will only be confined to either in George Lucas’ imagination or James Cameron.

          • Amde

            Selam Amanuel and Paulos,

            This topic fascinates me – perhaps because I am a cynic by nature.

            The current system assumes that Labor and Consumer reside in the same Person. Person sells Labor to Producer and becomes Consumer. Producer needs both Labor AND Customer. Producer uses Labor to make his wares, and then sells to Consumer. Cycle repeats.

            The effect of robotic production is to separate Labor and Consumer from residing in the same Person. Person has Labor, but it is not needed. So Consumer does not exist. To whom then is Producer going to sell?

            I originally wrote this in the context of manufacturing, but we now have AI algorithms doing research. Emma, I think you have asked the core question. Namely, to whom do the benefits of automation accrue? Right now, it accrues to the firm.

            I think UBI is inevitable, but always assumed it would be something that only rich countries can implement. But there is another nugget from the Economist piece:

            “A UBI is usually discussed in abstract terms. There is now a proposed amount: 7,620 rupees ($113) a year. Equivalent to less than a month’s pay at the minimum wage in a city, it is well short of what anyone might need to lead a life of leisure. But it would cut absolute poverty from 22% to less than 0.5%.

            That reduction in absolute poverty is amazing.

            Again, something like this – a no questions asked cash infusion from government to citizen – can be easily abused of course without sufficient controls.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            The sociologist Emile Durkheim in the late 1800s introduced a concept of suicide where a citizen finds himself alienated in a society driven by a sense of individualism which has come into effect because of division of labour riding on the back of technological advancement. Durkheim dubbed it “Anomie.”

            Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) is theorized to save the downtrodden in the lowest level of socio-economic status from the onslaught of a robotic world as high-tech advancement paces in a spark of light years. The theory goes, UBI gives the citizen not only a safe net but freedom as well. When the means and forces of production are under the selfish appetite of the tech-elite, with UBI the citizens with otherwise no say at all can buy their freedom from the shackle so to speak. Moreover, the exponents mostly with a left wing proclivity argue that, UBI can give citizens an incentive to invest in education as they strive to be competent in the labor market which sounds contradictory to say the least. Here is the flip side though: Where is the money to come from? Some say from a social dividend that is, from publily owned sectors. But again the ambitious social program can not be sustained without a huge tax burden. What’s more: critics also argue that UBI has the potential to render recipients idle where not only they become unproductive but they would spend the money in alcohol and other vices which could ultimately become a huge liability to the health sector of the nation. As it stands, there has been pilot projects in certain countries particularly in Switzerland and I believe it was defeated in a referendum. The debate doesn’t seem to let up any time soon. Awatistas what say you?

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Ah, on “..UBI has the potential to render recipients idle ..”, I think it is like the expression, “If you really want to know who a person truly is, give them power” it is meant to say that it reveals character. People inclined to drinking etc, will be drunks. People inclined to using their freedom for other pursuits, will do their pursuits.

            People generally need purpose. UBI solves (or at some point will solve) the necessity of a job to fulfill economic needs. But what then? This is sociologically fascinating. Will people find meaning in ideological movements? Religions? Will it make countries more peaceful or less?

            On the flip side, this has the possibility of making government control on the citizenry tighter.

            The question of funding is CURRENTLY being answered with the explanation that UBI should be seen as “no questions asked social welfare”, and so the cost right now is similar to social safety nests with significantly reduced administrative overhead due to the removal of much of the bureaucracy, which is currently engaged in the business of vetting the validity of claims.

            But, what happens as unemployment rises, and government’s revenue from taxation is affected while also needing to support more people? This is where serious questions of the type Emma raised, i.e. “To whom should the benefits of automation accrue” will start being asked.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Fascinating topic no doubt. It is getting late in my part of the world. Will have to pick up tomorrow of course before Super-Bowl kicks in. Good night brother!

          • Dear Amde,

            As you may know ubi is being implemented for 2000 randomly chosen jobless citizen in finland for a period of 2 yrs, as an experimental project. The first signs are positive. Many young people returned to universities to continue their education, sculptors and music composers have now more time and peace of mind to pursue their hobbies, etc. This small experiment shows that the money is not always spent in vain.

            I believe that if human beings can solve their basic needs (still better, if they can earn a livable guaranteed income), they will start to concentrate on superior ideals and ideas and thus raise their potential in many fields (eg the discovery of the universe, explaining the so many phenomena that occur on this planet earth and elsewhere that are still unknown, etc). The mind will be free and it will concentrate much more on the satisfaction of the most farfetched dreams. I believe that it is in human nature to hate idleness, and we will not be seeing thousands of people lying in the parks, sunning themselves and bored to death. In addition, human beings will stop to exploit other human beings for their greed would be served by machines.

            What about the billions of brains in poor countries that cannot add value to science and technology, simply because their main priority in life is surving the day. Just think about this. Give them a chance, and the world will be full of Einesteins.

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Amde,

            Invest in legos for you newborns and toddlers as well as zerro gravity home edition simulators soon to be on the market.
            The labor will be in construction in outer space. Live and work cities will be in space will be “breaking ground” soon. No robot can be as good as an educated and competent humans. HOWEVER! The excess and incompetent or less powerful population will succumb to the “new middle passage” of the Atlantic ocean once new habitable rocks within reach magically appear. And the jumping from Rock to rock to rock to rock and role for new adventures…

            Hey the dailybeast had Kafka’s love letters and I thought of the Trial??? Totally of topic I know…. I think I just made up a knock knock joke in honor of Eritrea’s Qt Ctry BEATINGS.

            Knock knock
            Who is there?
            Hirkam?
            Hirkam who?
            Aren’t you glad I did’nt say HERE Comes KiTTkaTT.

            Or if a citizen of those banned nations:
            Aren’t you glad I didn’t say TTerraza.

            Falcons! I hate the word patriotic zeal and I am Giants and Mets fan. That means, don’t particularly care for the green monster Fenway the red Sox or New England…any thing new world new Jersey and especially Addis Abeba if Abi is listening.
            Only thing new I & I

            Well! I Love New York.

            tSAtSE

          • saay7

            Amde and all:

            Freakonomics did an episode of this — in one of its podcasts. Universal/Guaranteed Basic Income was an idea that had the support of both right-wing and left-wing economists in the 1970s. The podcast says that the only longitudinal study that was ever done about this was in Canada and…

            http://freakonomics.com/podcast/mincome/

            Freakonomics is a hit or miss show because the host has of late being hit by the Hollywood bug. But this was one of its better episodes.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Amde,

            You are one of the few that the forumers can learn from your input. What is UBI? Is it “unconditional basic income”. As I am a student of life science, I have only the basic concept of economics not that much about the abstract of it. So the current economist can not predict as to how the capitalist mode of production will face, the crises of unemployment once it has reached the automated mode of production and what the relation of production might be. As of now we might not worry about it, but with the current fast pace of modern technology, economist of all colors and persuasion are not ready for the upcoming realistic challenge. From your engagement you sound from that descipline of knowledge. Can you say something more taking in to consideration all the variables that affect the conflict between labor forces and the proceeds of the production of the automated industries?

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Amde

            Selam Amanuel,

            UBI is technically Universal Basic Income. No Unconditional Basic Income, although its proponents see its Unconditionality as part of its Universality.

            I am not an economist.. I was trained as an engineer and I work in manufacturing. I try to keep abreast of technological developments, and try to imagine its implications in a few years. I have also worked in a few different kinds of firms.. private, publicly traded, private equity (business flipping) firms etc.. So, I have had a little exposure into the reality that the economic benefits of a firm accrue more to the owners (profits from operations, capital gains from flipping the business etc..) and less to workers (wage stagnation maintained by fear of losing what they have).

            Fifteen years ago it can be said that American manufacturing job loss was due to outsourcing. Now, I can definitely say it is driven primarily by automation. For example, we just acquired equipment that cuts multiple hours of human labor into literally minutes. My staff is happy, because it will really speed up their work, but I sit in enough meetings to know this technology makes some of them juicy targets for potential reduction. You can multiply this example by the hundreds and this is what is happening.

            Part of the reason I bring this topic here is to see if we (Ethios/Eritreans) are actually aware of the inevitable social and economic forces coming down our way. If you were a poor country, taking advantage of outsourcing was an optimistic model. China used it to amazing success. But now, that window is starting to close. Check out this article.. http://www.zmescience.com/other/economics/china-factory-robots-03022017/

            But, what does this mean for us? We are (almost) missing the outsourcing window – give it maybe 20 years. How will poor/developing countries deal with chronic unemployment? There are two sides of it of course: the economic side which UBI is supposed to address. And then there is the purpose-in-life side described in the cautionary saying (“..idle hands are the devil’s workshop..”).

            I don’t think anybody has an answer for this to be honest. But the discussion has started in the west. I see us focused on the past, while this massive thing is coming down which will make the past completely irrelevant.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selamat Amde,

            As Emma said it, we are all professional students if you will where knowledge is seamless as it can not be compartmentalized. I make a living in the life sciences but again I find other disciplines far more engaging and interesting. Here we have a much more celebrated young French economist with an enormous economic data that spans four centuries at his own disposal of countries ranging from France, UK, Germany and the US and compiled it in an equally celebrated book titled, “Capital In The 21st Century.” His name is Thomas Piety. His thesis is centered on the notion that, capitalism is not the culprit per se but the guilt part is its departure from its strict sense where the dynamic play between demand and supply with out government intervention is high-jacked by super-managers who don’t contribute to the national income but make wealth out of capital gains. As such, he goes on to argue that, as the inequality increases, the middle class gets squeezed with an income of decreasing purchasing power and stays afloat enmeshed in an enormous debt. Interestingly enough, Piketty doesn’t dwell much on the rise of automation and it’s supposed take over but again on the ever unstoppable gap between the super-wealthy as in the top 10% households who control the 70% wealth say in the U.S. The elixir he argues is what he calls a global taxation including on inherited wealth.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos, Amanuel, TsaTe

            I am jealous of your seamless ability to transcend intellectual boundaries.

            I never read Thomas Piketty’s book – just the sheer size is intimidating. It is hailed as the “Das Kapital” of the 21st century. But I read some reviews and followed some discussions about it. I guess basically we are talking about the effect of automation within the Capitalist system, so his arguments still hold.

            I can see his solution being feasible within the OECD for example, where muti-national companies jump around shopping for favorable tax terms. But it inevitably leads to global government, a steady erosion of sovereignty to an EU like authority or network. And then who is going to get a part of the collected tax? Let’s say a company is owned by a billionaire and it sets up operations in Ethiopia. It can be argued he wouldn’t invest in Ethiopia if the investment didn’t make him wealthier even after Ethiopia taxes his operations. He is then obliged to pay an additional Global Wealth Tax. Who collects it and is Ethiopia eligible to some of this tax?

            Interesting questions.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Great question! I don’t know. Hope Awatistas can chip in.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Amde,

            I haven’t come across Piketty’s book, but as Paulos highlighted it, it is untested thesis, yet we don’t know whether it answers to our foreseeable problems. Do we have economists in this forum to give us their personal evaluation to his thesis? if not deep analysis, just a general picture, if we put it in to an experiment. Thank you Paulos for your resourceful input.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel, Amde, Paulos and all,

            I am the kind who spend in economic theory and understand what the mean, it’s too heavy for me. But I heard an interview Of Thomas Piketty in CBC radio Sunday Edition (one of the best radio programs for Sunday morning) with Michael Enright.

            For those who are lazy like me, it may be a good alternative.

            Berhe

            http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/police-background-checks-michael-s-essay-thomas-piketty-on-rising-inequality-deportation-of-michael-mvogo-ariel-dorfman-on-egypt-the-novel-cure-1.2905073/thomas-piketty-capital-in-the-21st-century-1.2905074

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Amde,

            Well said, and thank you for your impressive and educating input. You are also right, that the past could not be an argument and an answer to what the “massive thing is coming down.”.

            regards

          • Amde

            Selam Amanuel,

            This is a better article on Chinese factory automation.
            https://www.ft.com/content/1dbd8c60-0cc6-11e6-ad80-67655613c2d6

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Many thanks for the link. Great reporting with a substance to take home. As I was reading the article, your previous engaging question popped up in my head if the rise of robotics can affect the future economies of our respective countries–Eritrea and Ethiopia. If I have to play it safe, Eritrea remains off limits for the government hardly dispenses data as in demographic data for central policy planners and for other crucial purposes as well. As such, it remains problematic to opine much less to answer the posed question. But when it comes to Ethiopia, the picture is different in the sense that one sees a stark contrast with the reason why the option for robots is appealing in China as one of the managers of the manufacturing firms put it, the replacement of humans by the robots is not only because of efficiency but due to the aging population; unwillingness of the youth to work in the kind of jobs their parents did and most importantly the rising of the cost of labour as well. Again, in a sharp contrast, the availability of cheap labor in conjunction with a younger population in Ethiopia, diminishes the need for robots at least in my opinion in the next 20 years or so.

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      I think you’re losing me. Let me read the link again.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    I’ve one simple either/or theory: 1) those who flag border and badime as burning issue of eritrea at this time should not say much about the irrelevancy of IA as simply there is no one else more passionate about this than him; and 2) those who really believe in IA becoming a real liability of Eritrea shouldn’t worry about badime and border as these can be easier to solve post IA than with him. there is no mix of the two. those who try to mix both are so dishonest and they are either ashamed of supporting IA openly or part of the opposition unable to fully detach themselves from the other camp.
    Hayat

    • Peace!

      Hi Hayat,

      I think there is a consensus that unless the opposition groups form a united front DIA will continue to bleed the nation till the very last second of his life. Now, the question is can settling the border issue help opposition groups come closer? if the answer is no, then I agree with you otherwise why not deny him excuses he is using to keep the opposing side divided?

      Peace!

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Peace,
        Consensus: ” unless the opposition groups form a united front DIA will continue to bleed the nation till the very last second of his life.” If you are part of this consensus, then the direction is helping the opposition become united, and bleeding the bleeder. You can never make a determined bleeder run out of excuses. if it is not border, it is something else. Lets examine this border excuse: who gave Badime to Weyane in the 80s? The bleeder. Who opened a border war and invade Badime in the 90s? The bleeder. Who kicked out the forces mandated with demarcating and fixing the border (unilaterally which makes him violator of the agreement) in the 00s? The bleeder. Who is using this intentionally sustained stalemate to continue to bleed the nation? the bleeder. Do you think, he will run out of excuses? The border issue itself an overused excuse. And it something we are in control to change.
        Why don’t you ask the bleeder this: since you said the border and badime are issues of urgency to the nation, go ahead, give it utmost priority and fix it now first hand. HE CAN’T. AND HE WON’T. The bleeder only does best in bleeding the nation. And fixing the border is not in his ability and desire. If it were, he will not be able to bleed the nation- a situation a bleeder will not be no more bleeder. That is in his criminal nature and nature dictates over other things.
        THAT IS WHY!

        • Peace!

          Hi Hayat,

          I am trying to have you focused on things that can help the opposition groups for better result, but what you are saying is the same thing we have been saying for the last fifteen years. The guy has already been diagnosed with madness years ago and he even gave himself “F” in his last interview. I mean what else do people need before focusing on solution rather than flipping old records and chasing PFDJ apologists?? He is enjoying ኣብ ዓዲ ዑውራት ባዓል ሐደ ዓይኒ ይነግስ.

          Now, are you saying settling the border issue won’t have any impact on opposition groups as far as forming a united front concerned?

          Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Peace,
            – The border issue has nearly zero impact on unifying or dis-unifying the opposition.
            – The opposition more or less have a unified position on the border issue but they have nearly zero control over the border issue.
            – IA and EPRDF, force that have full control over the issue, will not solve the border for different reasons.
            – The border issue is not what is killing and bleeding the nation right now, it is IA.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Hayat Adem and thanks for your interesting comments. So by saying that the border issue has nearly zero impact on unifying or dis-unifying the opposition, are you therefore not asserting that Badme is an insignificant issue for most Eritreans? By the way, are you Ethiopian or Eritrean?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hello Blue Asmara,
            1) Badime is insignificant for most Eritreans as s matter of urgency and priority. 2) Why do u ask? Because I didn’t say I am Blue? You see, not everyone is blue nor is it important to be blue.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Did you have any stastical data that you took from the Eritrean people about badme ? or you just assume it has no relevance . Your posts seems you are very sure about that.Once the opposition lose the drum of migrating people to the west , they are doomed . They played the ethnic card with the idead of so called afermative action for 25 years , now they lost. can you imagine the youth to talk and listen to a man so called tesfastion, check it is called ”sanity” . The opposition and HGDEF are just on the same level when it comes for being serious . Once the free gate for Eritreans is closed by right wing European governments , new things will pop up , just wait and see

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Blink,
            I would have liked you had said or hinted a bit on the new things you think would pop up soon rather than left me there uninformed to wait and see.
            Yes I have some data on how the majority of Eritreans currently feel about the border and Badime visavis other issues. No, I am not kidding.
            On the flip side, those who argue (I am not sure if you are part of them) that border and badime are on the top of the list in the minds and hearts of Eritreans at this point of time never provided us with any data to support their claim and I don’t remember you challenging them to avail their stat.

          • Peace!

            Hi Blink,

            Hayat uses or asks statistical data only when TPLF is accused of anything, but when it comes to Eritriea her only job in this forum is to paint Eritrea with DIA’s crimes and make her look a failed state so abboy sebhat and his his bosses can invade the country. That was her dream ቅድሚ ናይ ኦሮሞ/ኣምሓራ ቀውዒ ምጅማሩ lol and now all of a sudden she is acting as an expert for the opposition groups ዝወረዶምመሳኪን the groups she ignired them for years. how ironic:)

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            What is ironic is your defense of Amharas and Oromos.
            “የት አውቅሽ ብሎ አጥብቆ ሳመኝ” አለች ሴትየዋ

          • Peace!

            Hi Abbish,

            Too bad “ነገር ሲያመልጥ ራስ ሲመለጥ አያስታውቅም” I wish you were on a driver seat all those years.

            ተነሳ ተራመድ የኔ ወዳጅ መዝሙር ብቻ ምንም ኣይስራም።

            Peace!

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            Badme becomes the capital of the United AgAziyan Republic.

            The AgAziyans are quite indifferent to its fate.

            Perfect solution.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Saluting man of the year,
            You can’t trick Agazians that easy. They want no lesser than Asmara or Axum. You can’t appease them by promising a bloody dusty hat-dotted village for such a great vision.

            Funny but actual conversation… An Ethiopian was serously pondering over the fate of the two countries with his Eritrean friend.
            “I can’t beleive for real that we have separated countries forever.”
            “Well, by now it should dawn on you my friend. Put it in you, We are two.”
            “Yah, but do you see any possibility we ever become one again?”
            “Only on one condition: for that to happen Eritrea must strike a massively rich oil.”
            “Why do you say that?”
            “Well, you see, we eri-exited as aspiring people. We don’t want to get back with deflated pride and empty hands.”
            “Aha, I see. I will mobilize all Ethiopians to pray for a rich oil discovery soon in Eritrea.”

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            Come on now… if so many died for it, and so many are serving servitude for it surely it is worthy of being a capital. Eritrea has literally declared Badme or Death. We have to assume people in Asmara must know more about the true value of this place than us unwashed masses.

            Methinks massive oil will only pump up the pride and motivation to stay separate. Popular Ethiopian sentiment now is to keeping Eritrea out, so the people who might pray for Erotrean oil are likely to be the Keep-Away crowd.

            Axum will do as a good candidate for cultural capital, but Meqele and Asmara will have to duke it out for adminstrative center.

            It has become a strange season.

            Nice to see you on the forum again.

            Amde

          • Dear Amde,

            Why does dia/pfdj want to sustain the status quo even though it is so painful for the people? Now, it is clear that they are not waiting only for the collapse of ethiopia from internal contradictions, but also the discovery of massive amount of oil. It is like gambling to win a lottery. This shows that the battle is that of egos, which continues unabated after so many years. Nobody knows where this bizarre situation will take the two people.

            On top of this, a weird situation seems to be developing between ethiopia and south sudan since kiir’s visit to egypt. SS ambassador to addis and the spokesperson in juba do not seem to speak the same language. The later is defiant saying that ss can have any sort of relations with anybody she likes. SS opposition was accusing kiir that he has agreed with egypt to open office in juba for ethiopian opposition, its positions are bombed by egyptian warplanes, and that there is a conspiracy by egypt, ss and uganda against the gerd. The three are against ss opposition, but I do not understand why they want to draw ethiopia into their problem, especially by bringing such serious issues. What can we believe, we live in the age of fake news and post-truth. Nevertheless, could it be true?
            (I hope this will take us away from the boring badme discussion).

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            The South Sudan development is interesting. It’s been many years since it was mentioned that Ethiopia and Uganda were competing in South Sudan via their proxies. It makes sense for Egypt to try another proxy for the encirclement strategy. To paraphrase, Egypt will fight the GERD to the last drop of … South Sudanese/Eritrean/Somali blood. The whole sorry episode is a lesson in that when the number of countries/states grows arithmetically, the number of interactions (positive/negative) grow exponentially.

            The way I see the Badme thing is this. Isayyas does probably want the border resolved per se. But in his hierarchy of desires, getting the border issue behind him is of less importance than giving the Weyane a black eye. It is not the sparsely populated Badme that is a political problem for Weyane, it is the many densely populated weredas to the East which were historically part of the Weyane powerbase, which were always administered through Tigray and now EEBC has deemed Eritrean. So, Weyane wants discussion to resolve these issues. Isayyas of course would rather they squirm… there probably was a window when he could have had the international community compel the TPLF, but he royally screwed that window up. But then he found out Badme is fantastic for keeping Eritreans in bondage while his regime and cronies found ways to profit from it. So realistically, it is NEVER going to be resolved while he is in power. And more importantly he KNOWS it will never be resolved while he is in power, but he is perfectly happy with that.

            Weyane should probably toy with him a little bit. He wants Badme? Give him Badme town and toss a couple of qebeles. Of course, he will then find another town to make symbolic. But that should be good for another 15 years. መጃጃል የፈለገን አንዳንዴ የልቡን ማሳካት ፈጣሪ የሚያመሰግነው ስራ ነውና!

            There probably is a lot of oil in the Red Sea, but the world is so glutted with oil oversupply, nobody would want to spend the money to develop it. There are likely other minerals, like the Bisha Gold/Copper. I hope they find more so at least regular people can have a normal life.

            Amde

        • HayaT1

          Greetings all
          It all depends on what one wants to see in Eritrea. As many of the politicians have been struggled or born and lived hearing to the endless HGDF mantras, their social and political mindset is influenced by the HGDF political behavior. Hayat’s comment prioritizes on ending the blood drenched tyranny as the first task to bring better outcomes. All the rest can be addressed later. Because of that, it is convincible logical approach but to those who genuinely care to end the collective misery. It is obvious, PFDJ come with multiple outlandish tactics and methods to create confusion and endless arguments, so that the status quo can stay in power.
          One major approach change seekers should attain by now is: identifying their true wants, design the priorities and creating a shared inclusive strategy to meet the prime quest. For those who understand the many damages the thuggish tyrant has brought to the people and the nation, and have keen desire to end the misery, they tend to adhere to realistic and pragmatic approaches. The supporter of the tyrant use multiple approaches chief of that is questioning every approach justice seekers raise so that to saw distrust. As the barbarous nation of the tyrant is inexplicable, the venue to remove it requires bold action. As to the disciples of the HGDF, they are trying to climb two trees ubiquitously. Impossible.

        • blink

          Dear Hayat
          Every one knows that he want to bleed the nation , but the border issue can not be ignored simply because the man want to bleed the nation.but lets add such thing The border issue was raised for the first time at the meeting between the TPLF and EPLF in November 1984. At this meeting, the EPLF raised the issue and wanted to demarcate the boundary based on international agreements and documents. The areas under consideration were Badme, Tsorena-Zalambessa, and Bada. The TPLF agreed that there are areas between Ethiopia and Eritrea where they are not clearly demarcated. At the same time it argued that it was not prepared for such discussion and had not made documentary studies on the issue. Furthermore, the TPLF argued that it was not in a position to sign border agreements on behalf of Ethiopia because it did not have the legitimacy to do so.And hence, the TPLF proposed to maintain the existing administrative areas as they are and prepare the necessary documents for the final demarcation after the fall of the Derg. The EPLF was convinced by the argument and both agreed to postpone the demarcation and maintain the existing administrative regions.One may ask why the border issue was so important for EPLF while it was still trenched in the Sahel area? we can debate or even you can teach people from historical facts that show old weyane And now EPRDF (100%) always has the motive of bleeding.The EPLF was very much constrained by its ability to get recruits for its army. It has been rounding up and forcefully recruiting people all over Eritrea. In such a situation,border areas like Badme were safe havens for people who wanted to escape recruitment.At the same time, there are a number of Eritreans living in these areas who were attractive for EPLF’s quest of recruits. As a result, the EPLF was intruding these border areas and provoking a reaction from the TPLF. At one instant the two fronts were at the verge of war if the EPLF had not withdrawn. The EPLF could not afford to open another front while it was confined in the Sahel trenches by the Derg’s army. To understand why the TPLF reacted violently to the intrusions, let us see what TPLF’s policy was on the border issue (from my personal notes of the joint MMLT and TPLF leadership 03.01.1978 Ethiopian cal.). It states as follows (interpretation is mine):1. Our knowledge of the border issue between Eritrea and Tigray is not well supported by documents. The TPLF should make an endeavour to have a clear knowledge and understanding of the border.2. If the EPLF trespasses the present borders, even if we are not sure that the contested areas belong to Tigray, we will consider the EPLF as an aggressor and we will go to war.3. If the documents for demarcating the border areas, which now are under the Tigrian administration, prove the contrary we will consider them as a Tigrean territory becausethey have been under ‘effective administration of Tigray’. The identity of a people is
          determined by the unity and common history created under the same administration. This type of areas, which are under the Tigrean administration (areas in Belesa- Muna and is Erob, which in the maps are shown within the boundaries of Eritrea) will be under common administration of TPLF and EPLF. If the EPLF rejects this and tries to administer it alone, we will consider the EPLF as an aggressor. From the above positions one can clearly see how nationalist and war mongering the
          TPLF is. One can also see its theoretical definition of a border and the double standard approach to demarcation. ssuch view is held well by the PFDG propaganda machine for almost 25 years , so underestimating it shows double standard of some foolish Eritreans and also some wicked EPRDF cadres.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam blink, you wrote, “(from my personal notes of the joint MMLT and TPLF leadership 03.01.1978 Ethiopian cal.)”, just wanted to know if you were a member of the top leadership of either organization? If yes, which one? Also i found some contradiction in what you listed; in no.1, you wrote “Our knowledge of the border issue between Eritrea and Tigray is not well supported by documents.”, while somewhere in no.3, the following is written, “This type of areas, which are under the Tigrean administration (areas in Belesa- Muna and is Erob, which in the maps are shown within the boundaries of Eritrea).” This means that the tplf leadership did know that those areas were within Eritrea, according to the maps, while they say they they lacked documents regarding the border. There is also this talk about the map of the Republic of Tigray/ Greater Tigray which was published by the tplf earlier during their armed struggle. It is said that map included big chunks of Eritrean territory, including a sea outlet; was this also discussed in the border meetings between the two organizations? We also know that the relationship between the two was so bad around 1985, only to be revived right before the defeat of the Derg at Nadew Ez in 1988. Was the border issue the cause of that bad relationship?

          • Abi

            Hi blink
            So Jigna EPLF used to round people and forcefully recruited fighters? I thought it was all volunteer army ready to liberate the country.
            I will be happy if the veteran fighters like Amanual Hidrat and Vet Mahmud say a thing or to on this.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, it is a fact that the EPLF did conscript people to join its ranks. Once these recruits joined the EPLF, they were fighting bravely and with determination for self determination and dignity of the Eritrean people. The fight against the Derg, with tens of millions of Ethiopian people at its disposal in addittion to billions of dollars support from the Soviet Union and other countries from the Warsaw Pact, was not an easy matter.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Derg was stealing the young from schools , markets, streets ….
            It was called አፈሳ.
            Let’s be honest here. Your conscripts knew why they were fighting. Ours had no idea why they were fighting.
            Well, the 1998 border war showed us the reverse is true. The 1991 victorious EPLF army was no longer able to cover its sorry behind in 1998. Your Jigna leaders were packing up and gassing up the land cruisers on their way back to the mountains.
            Meles saved the day!
            I was cheering አሳደህ በለው ያንን አመፀኛ ወንበዴ…

          • blink

            Dear Abi
            I am like crossing my red line by replying to you .I do not usually read all your comments nor do i see you as important in any Eritrean or Ethiopian issues . I do not understand why you are given the highest privilage in this forume by the moderators and by the owners . You can just go help your agazian idiots .

          • Abi

            Hi blink
            You ain’t kidding! I don’t consider myself important in any issue here. Tell me , tell me, tell me who is important here? There are some who make a difference among us. There rest are all in the same ስልቻ . The good thing is you are among the big guys where your comments are eagerly awaited by The Ethiopian Government, Eritrean Government, EU, AU, UN, Agazians … I’m honored to share a forum with you. I never miss your earth shattering comments. Keep them coming.
            You haven’t crossed any line. You are comfortably in the green zone.
            Now, what prompted your comment?

          • blink

            Dear Abi

            Again for the second time crossing , but lets give it a try , Abi your jokes are always nice and you are equiped with much much wits . I gave you that sir ,but what i do not understand is your insults , You insult the Eritreans when ever you open your post . I can not say about your mouth. Normally i do not engage with people who insult Eritreans or any people , that is all.

          • Abi

            Hi blink
            I’m glad to be on the same earth with high moral ground people like yourself who don’t engage with people insulting Eritreans or any people. I think I got a lot to learn from you who proudly say ” Agazian idiots ( may be they are not people) , lowlife southerners ( may be south of the mereb are not people) ethiopian genociders ( may be Ethiopians are not people)….
            I like ” disqusing ” with you on moral issues. I also appreciate your humble attitude in engaging with me, Your Honor. It shows you believe in ” all people are created equal ” regardless of which side of the river they come from.

          • Peace!

            Hi Blink,

            The guy is ኣቃጣሪ ነው. It is funny when he acts as if he has leverage to choose. Someone needs to remind him ተሳቢ መሆኑ መንነቱ ካልደበቀ በስተቀር:)

          • Abi

            Hi Peace
            The last time I checked the the meaning of አቃጣሪ is someone who gets in between two people who are trying to resolve their differences. This kind of person usually jumps in uninvited and take sides.

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            “….’If the EPLF rejects this and tries to administer it alone, we will consider the EPLF as an aggressor.’…. From the above positions one can clearly see how nationalist and war mongering the TPLF is. ”

            This is such a weird conclusion about TPLF to draw from our very own stated observations. It actually makes TPLF quite magnanimous.

            People were escaping EPLF forced conscription into Tigray administered areas, and EPLF moves in to pursue them. TPLF says it is my territory, butt out. EPLF says it is Eritrean according to documents. TPLF says I have no such documents. EPLF says I have documents, you need to recognize as mine. TPLF says I have no such documents, besides I am in no position to declare them Eritrean and not-Ethiopian. TPLF says, for now what I know is area’s being administered under Tigray Province. We can clarify documents after the Derg. Until then, let’s do joint administration. EPLF says .. “You are such a war monger”

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            Can we safely conclude TPLF ( Tigry by extension) has always been a refuge for Eritreans? Do you think TPLF knows more about Eritreans than Eritreans themselves. I see it always beats them on their own game.
            It is also interesting to see TPLF refused to negotiate in the name of Ethiopia.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Blink, I hear you what you are saying but there is a positive outcome of this ridiculous war between TPLF and Eritrea. If TPLF and EPLF were to exist in peace and harmony as they have planned; it would have been bad news and death sentence to Eritrean lowlands and to the rest of none Tigryan Ethiopians. The union of the two Tigrigna speakers could have resulted in to formidable force that will squash every other ethnic and simply creating the Agazian nation at the expense of the other ethnic people of Eritrea and Ethiopia. That is why this Agazi BS will never materialise due the conflict between TPLF and EPLF. But if they didn’t fight and go to bloody war, i think the Agazi-nation was very real. In a way, because the war, the minority ethnic Eritreans and majority ethnic Ethiopians are saved from unimaginable economic and political repression of the two Tigrygna speaking elites.
            so, the war that has happened and the fight between the two ego driven organization is not the worst.

          • Amde

            Nitricc,

            Or it could be expressed as “The War of North AgAziya vs South AgAziya”.

            Minorities are better protected in a larger and more diverse community. This whole Agazian Nation episode has started to make me think the non-Tigrinya speaking Eritreans would have been better off staying in Ethiopia.

            Amde

          • Hi Nitricc,
            Alliances form very easily, and this has been happening throughout human history. When an allied enemy comes an allied force easily forms to counter it. Just imagine what will be the fate of this agaazian alliance, when sandwiched between alliances of ethiopian ethnic groups to the south and alliances of eritrean lowlanders to the west. In the face of danger, enemies become friends. Therefore, the agaazian alliance is nothing more than a pipe dream and a BS as you called it.

  • Paulos

    Selam Muhamuday,

    Petros Solomon was a generic for lack of a better word to engage you in a hypothetical scenario. That said, there is no doubt that Ethiopia is occupying Eritrea’s sovereign territory. And the EBBC ruling is final and binding. Again there is no doubt about it. The question is about prioritizing and allocating energies. To put it differently, when the situation in Eritrea is morphing from bad to worse as the days go by what is the incessant hung up about demarcation and the Weyanes? How is that going to help to the ongoing struggle against the Isaias regime say if the Weyanes leave Bad’me tomorrow? Simply because Isaias is not going to change and you know that more than anybody else. If your line of argument is Isaias will not have any excuses afterwards, the Weyanes do not have to leave Badme for him to honour the implementation of the Constitution which has nothing to do with the demarcation much less the indefinite military service and democratic reforms. Again, my disagreement with you is not the fundamental principles rather the priorities in light of the urgency of the dire situation.

    • MS

      Selam Paulosay
      Come on, if I were to say ” demarcate first, then fight PFDJ” your line of argument would be appropriate and true. However, I’m saying, embi to PFDJ and embi (no) to the Ethiopian occupation. How does that disrupt priorities? How does that disperse energies? After all, you know I don’t command armies nor do I lead parties. So, if you agree with me in principle, the rest is about individual phrasing and emphasis. I would like, though, to know how an acquiescence to, or worse, an appeasement of what the Ethiopian Junta is doing would serve the cause of fighting PFDJ. We are talking about two independent yet related issues. I don’t see why I should go one for the other. Enlighten me please. Tell me why not voicing a protest to the Ethiopian occupation strengthens the fight against PFDJ. I actually believe standing firm on key national issues strengthens the anti-PFDJ camp. It helps it separate itself from wayane, in addition to being the right thing to do.

      • Paulos

        Selam Muhamuday,

        I have never come across of any Opposition group which goes around and condones Weyanes’ occupation of Bad’me. What I know is that everytime any of the Opposition groups is in audience with the Ethiopian leadership, they raise the issue and express their concerns. What you seem to allege is that or which makes you in tandem or in synch with PFDJ operatives is that you label any Opposition group a Weyane volunteer when the former gives more priority to the unimaginable situation of the Eritrean people under the cruel hands of Isaias. They say, there are three groups with in the Eritrean political dynamics: PFDJ (read: the yes constituency), the Confused and the Opposition. As I see it, the fourth group are left out because they play it safe and I am afraid you seem to belong to the latter.

        Respectfully.

        • Thomas

          Hi Paulos,

          It has now finally become a “tabu” to openly support the mafia regime. So, we have people like the Semere T, Mahmudai, the Tsatse, Million and more. Don’t start with me with the “Blue Asmara” guy/lady. We knew from the outset that he is the guy for DIA. It is strange that now we carry a delicate sensors with us:) It is called adaptation. We can detect them just like that. This is not to say we are smart but after learning their evil way of doing business with us.

          • Paulos

            Selamat Thomas,

            I dare say the genius of Isaias is that he sets the rules and he beats them in his own game. He started the war driven by his erratic whim and they go on to absolve the dire consequences where sadly enough the sense of patriotism is measured against the echo how hard one shouts against the darn Weyanes. In the mean time the insatiable ocean feeds on the children of the lesser gods. What a pity!

          • Abi

            Hi Tomi
            What is amazing about Eritrean intellectuals is it took them years to figure out IA is evil and stupid. It is after the border war that they got introduced to IA. Talk about rude awakening!!!
            All of them were busy cheering him when he led the new country into all sorts illegal activities.
            I love to read an article by an Eritrean intellectual criticizing IA that was written before the war.
            I see only Monday morning quarterbacking.

          • Thomas

            Selam Abi,

            I agree with you on everything you wrote above, but immediately after independence no one really cared about Issaya the dictator. We thought he was one of the fighters and that is all to it. We thought the Eritrean people who fought hard with the enemy will get to lead the nation. Like you said, no one knew Issayas very well. People in the entire nation bleed to bring the nation. The monsters we have now in the country stolen our home, our dignity and our life. We are fighting back and in the end we will surely capture these thieves dead or alive:)

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            Which leader of Ethiopia, in the last 100 years, do you consider as being not evil and not stupid?

          • Abi

            Hi Simon
            We have had our share of stupid and evil leaders. However, we acknowledged their stupidity. Unlike your intellectuals blindly worshipping and cheerleading IA.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            Unfortunately, you have not answered my question.

            Which leader of Ethiopia, in the last 100 years, do you consider as being not evil and not stupid?

          • Amde

            Selam Simon,

            I find the “Evil” and “Stupid” designations not particularly useful.

            There is competence required to attain and maintain power. Without a doubt, ALL long standing leaders excel at it, setting aside the question of the degree of ruthlessness they are willing to descend to. I guess the word EVIL can be better characterised by the level of ruthlessness to attain and maintain power.

            Then there is competence required for a variety of broad fields to be a success once the said power has been attained and maintained. Our longstanding leaders generally suck at it at different levels.

            Unfortunately, it is rare to have a case where the two skill sets occupy the same person rather well.

            I think we are seeing this play out in real time with the curious case of one Donald J. Trump.

            In any case, since you asked the question:

            Meles had promising qualities of being a good statesman AND politician. He listened to his paranoid instincts too much, but he laid the institutional foundations of what is currently being implemented.

            HaileSellasie has an impressive record of wresting the country forward by several centuries, even if the changes he unleashed eventually ended up devouring him.

            Mengistu… well.. he needed a therapists couch, not the throne. He had the skills to wrest himself from lowly birth to the Solomonic throne and stay on it over a decade and a half. But he sucked.

            PM Hailemariam.. jury still out. I don’t think you can apply neither Stupid nor Evil to him yet. He has promise.

            So there you go. Over the past 100 years, the country survived two world wars, an occupation, an invasion, two potent insurgencies, a revolution, a divorce, at least four “biblical” level famines. It sports by far the most population in the region, and compared to the its neighbors Somalia, South Sudan and Eritrea, it is by far the most stable.

            Not bad. And it is not one leader’s achievement alone, but collectively building on what was already done.

            Overall, a B-

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            I find Ethiopian history most fascinating particularly the chronicles of the Kings where the power play at times vicious is equivalent to “Game of Thrones.” Irrespective of one’s political persuasion, one can safely say that present day Ethiopia is sailing in a golden era which will be remembered by posterity. Writers or historians such as Harold Marcus, Bahru Zewdie, Gebru Tareqe to mention but a few have brought the rich history of Ethiopia to light when the dreadful famine literally stagmatized the nation. More over, there was a talk in town not long ago that the film maker Haile Gerima was to make Zemene Mesafint into a series episodic movies but it looks like it fell through the cracks. Incidentally, a certain Professor of the humanities and also a playwright in his own right has published a controversial book about the genesis of the main ethnic groups in Ethiopia. I guess his name is Fiqre Tollossa and the book is allegedly a run-away best seller in Ethiopia. It is in Amharic.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Yes Ethiopia history is endlessly fascinating. It is your history too 🙂 Game of Thrones apparently has struck some kind of nerve. There are popular Korean series about feudal era intrigues. I hadn’t heard about Haile Gerima’s intent to make a series on the Zemene Mesafint. That would be awesome. It definitely would make for better TV than the dreck being shown on the many new channels in Addis now. In any case, he has consistently claimed that his problem is always financing – otherwise Ethiopia history is an untapped bonanza of riches,

            I sorely wish that history could be liberated from politics, but I guess that is foolish talk on my part. Heck I will even be a charter member of the History Liberation Front, but I can already see all the historians tut-tutting at my naivete.

            I hope one day we will have a political system based on an individual’s citizenship rights, and those in power will claim legitimacy solely on their responsiveness to the citizen, rather than legitimacy for righting some historic wrong or another. THEN.. all the history can be truly and honestly studied analyzed and debated.

            With the advent of AI assisted cheap genetics, linguistics, sociology and anthropology, I really think in 20-30 years, we will be in a position to answer many outstanding questions. The Oromo for example (at least for me) are a huge mystery. When you think about it – it is rather amazing that the origins and identity of 35-40 million people can be so vague. There was a theory taught to us about he the migration/conquest of the Oromo in the 1600s post-Gragn wars. There is another theory pushed by Oromo Nationalists hat say that most everyone was Oromo until the Menelik conquest. I am partial to the theory that what spread was the Oromo language and customs, but otherwise most of the current Oromo speaking people have the same genetic stock and they really have not moved much.

            Ethiopia moving into a golden age. Well, I don’t know about that. There are some people that say that if you take the economic activity of just Addis Ababa (perhaps GDP per capita ?), Addis is already a Middle Income Economy, which is what EPRDF has been promising for a while.

            What primarily separates the past 15 years or so from previous periods is the absence of draining wars and insurgencies, favorable external climate (end of Cold War and rise of China as alternate financier/investor), and a government that has learned to utilize that opportunity reasonably well. But you see how the windows are narrow. Mismanaged internal politics can lead to ever worsening cycles of insurgencies and counter-insurgencies. And the external climate could change. So we keep hopeful.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            The History Liberation Front is gold if I could borrow your buzz word. Really funny. Of course if history is about cultures and traditions, it becomes anthropology. History in its strict sense is about the victorious and the vanquished in a nasty political and egoistic world where it is written by the former.

            I have been to Ethiopia and the changes that I saw is dramatic where the people seem to be full of hope and forward looking into a bright future. That tells me volumes given the dark history the country went through half a century ago. Most importantly, through time, the political institutions in place have the potential to withstand any social unrest and will accommodate to any social, political and economic changes with a caveat whomever is in power cleans its house first.

            The basic idea behind I.A. to the extent of Robots or computers for that matter is cultivating their own consciousness where the tenet arises from quantum computing where the old binary numbers as the fundamental modus operandi of computing is graduated into processing data with in super-position. That is, any given data can be zero and one simultaneously not alternatively, again as in quantum theory where light can be a particle and a wave at the same time. That is precisely the reason that machines are expected to develop their own consciousness as the human consciousness is believed to operate in quantum reality. But there are sceptics who argue that it was through millions of years of evolutionary process that human consciousness developed into its sublime form and they argue that it is a farfetched for machines to compute with humans.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            I responded upstream about the AI issue. I wasn’t particulary talking about machine consciousness, just – let’s say – computing supported automation (if the term robots bothers you) that can supplant human labor. Or to use ጓድ ዶናልድ ትረምፕ’s phrasing, “extreme automation”

            I almost understood your description of binary vs quantum computing. I didn’t know consciousness and quantum computing were theorised to be associated. Much of the brain is electric and I have not seen anywhere that it is supposed to operate as a quantum computer. There is his annoying phrase that “the human brain is the most complicated object in the universe” Then they talk about the number of possible neural connections being into the x-illions, and you get the picture that this whole notion of why the brain is complicated boils down to a whole lot of neuron and their unlimited potential to connect. So, more a question of quantity than of quality.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            It is actually one of the exciting fields in the sciences which has gained traction in recent years where quantum reality or theory is believed to be the fundamental nature of genes including DNA. Of interest I highly recommend a brilliant book titled, “Life On Edge” written by a theoretical physicist and a molecular biologist. It was through that book that I came to get some idea about it.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Thank you for the tip. Just ordered it.

            Amde

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amde,

            If you follow the trail of conversation, you will notice that it is your dear friend Abi who started using the words “Evil” and “Stupid”.

            You said: “HaileSellasie has an impressive record of wresting the country forward by several centuries, even if the changes he unleashed eventually ended up devouring him.”

            Haile Sellassie failed at every juncture:

            – The Eritrean problem

            – The land reform issue

            – Building of schools and hospitals in the provinces

            – Lack of communications structure

            – Social mobility

            – Rife corruption

            [to name but few.]

            You also said: “Mengistu… well.. he needed a therapists couch, not the throne. He had the skills to wrest himself from lowly birth to the Solomonic throne and stay on it over a decade and a half.”

            But this is an empty waffle. You need to list Mengistu’s positive achievements that contributed to the progress of Ethiopia.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Simon Kaleab. Victor Emmanuel III in abstentia was probably the best and most efficient leader that EthIopia has had in the past 100 years.

          • Abi

            Hi Blue Asmara
            Ethiopians don’t go across the oceans looking for kings. Victor Emanuel was your colonial king.
            We are a country of extraordinary kings like Atse Tewodros and Atse Yohannes and Emye Menelik and Atse Hailesilassie.
            Sorry if I make you feel Blue.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abi and thanks for your comments which are really appreciated. It is always good to see Eritrean intellectuals such as yourself speaking from a position of actual experience. How was it like for you in those early post liberation days in Eritrea? Was it easy for you to notice the 666 markings on President Isaias?

          • Abi

            Hi Blue Asmara
            I’m from the Great Nation of Ethiopia!!!
            As you can imagine I was cursing and screaming at those times.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abi and thanks for your view. Which part of the great nation of Ethiopia do you hail from? Yes, I can imagine that those times were not comfortable for many Ethiopians; especially the non-Tigray.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi,

            Is this guy “Blue Asmara” being sarcastic when he refers you as an Eritrean? Hahaha, the online/internet thing is sometimes wasteful when you realize some such people. I could be talking to someone with bipolar disorder or whoever is out there:)

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Abi, Shaebiya was and is a very secretive organization. Besides, Isayas had his own version of public relations in the field, known as 03, whose main objective was to portray Isayas as the perfect undisputed leader. Yes, almost all the Shaebiya fighters were misled, indeed we all were misled as to the exact despotic nature of Isayas. But when those very close to him began to speak openly about his dictatorial way of leadership around the year 2000, then the people started to see the man behind the facade.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            This is the difference between you ( an Eritrean) and I or any average Ethiopian .
            I knew Isayas was good for nothing way back in mid nineties. The writing was on the wall. May be I HATED him so much that I was looking only for his stupid actions. When he went to Israel for medical treatment in the early nineties I prayed for his death. When he opened his embassy at Abiyot Adebabay for money laundering purposes I said this guy and all involved in this business are the lowest of low ማጅራት መቺዎች. From the day he set foot in Asmara till now he is a ወራዳ ማጅራት መቺ. He never changed.
            I think love is really blind you did not see all the illegal activities he committed in the name of Eritrea and Eritreans. Almost all the opposition newspapers and magazines were writing on a daily basis about the illegal and mafia style activities.
            The question is why it took Eritreans that long to open their eyes?
            Well,” never late than never”. Or is it “delay is death “?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, yes, i must admitt we were blinded by the false propaganda concerning the greatness of Isayas. You mentioned the time when Isayas was moved to Israel for medical treatment, you were praying for his death, i can confirm to you i never had wished for full recovery for anybody in my life as i did that time for Isayas. This is how i was feeling at that time as a young man: what would happen to my country if he dies? I changed my position on him and his leadership ca.1999.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            You are not alone. Let me tell you a real story
            In 1997 may be early 1998 My wife and I were hosting this diehard asmarino at home. Everything was going fine until my wife said ” ይህ ወንበዴ” when referring IA. You can’t believe the guys reaction .He was so mad that he left without saying goodbye. He did not finish his lunch when he stormed out of the house. Later he apologized to me. He is still a big time zombie. He never talked to my wife again.
            There, I gave you enough ammunition to hammer my poor wife for weeks.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, thanks for sharing the story. “There, I gave you enough ammunition to hammer my poor wife for weeks.” No man, why would I, i now know were she was coming from when she said that wenbedie ting.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Thanks. That is a big relief.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abraham and Abi,

            Isayas was a mystery and he is still a mystery to me.

            I believe person character is shaped and infulanced by the environment he grew up and exposed to.

            In case of Isayas a lot of people refer him wedi Medhin Berad (son of Medhin Berad), Medhin is her name and berad I suppose a nick name meaning a cattle, which is used to pour Swa / Tej. First she is grand mother and second she had owned enda swa / tej bet.

            What I know about her was a young age she run from home and she started working in the Swa place and eventually ended up owning one, some where in Aba Shawel.

            His father was a government emoloyee a decent job by the standard and his family lived in Geza Kenisha a decent neighbourhood.

            Even though it’s common for grand parents to help raise their grand children, I find it quite mysterious that his parents send him to grow up in Enda Swa / Tej Bet where one can get exposed to a lot of unpleasant things at a younger age.

            This I find it really mystery, as any parent, first and for they would want something better for their children.

            During ELF / EPLF split conflict, the late Abdela Idris leader of ELF when asked to meet Isayas he said, I am not meeting with wedi Kimarit (I am not meeting with son of someone who sells alcohol) and refused. Years later when the power shifted toward EPLF and they meet again. First thing Isayas said to him “Aren’t you the one who said I am not meeting with wedi Kumarit”).

            Off course a lot of Eritreans are naive and in the name of equality or not wanting to scratch the wounds, we say we don’t need to go there and talk about personal stuff. But what we forget to realize is that his father stayed in exile (Meqele where he was working) until his death, his mother went to exile (USA) since almost independence.

            What does this say about the president that we don’t know what it is?

            It’s mystery and I wish those Eritreans who knew this guy speak out and write about him.

            If he was someone minding his business, I agree it’s not personal and we should leave him alone. But one that same person is creating so much pain and misery to the people, I think all should be fair game and should be exposed for what he is.

            Emma favorite quote
            “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,
            It’s unfortunate you fell for the unsubstantiated allegation–this was said about Sabbe, Abdella Idris, and many others by those who were engaged in vilification…. If you ask me, I doubt he said that.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saleh,

            Thanks for the correction, it was what I heard and it may as well be wrong. But I heard it many times that people refer to him like that. If Abdela said it he was not the first and he wouldn’t be the last, as it was true. I know people called as such because that’s what they were. Not fault of their own but the environment they grew up does infuluance who they are and how they end in life.

            My comment was not to insult him or others like him, but if the same person who is the source and cause of so much pain in our country everything is fair game, everything needs to be questioned.

            This is were we all are failing in my opinion being over sensitive and over sympathetic to a person who has shown none at all.

            Did his grand mother owned ends swa and named Medhin Berad. Yes absolutely true. Did he grew up with her I don’t know but most people said so.

            Berhe

          • GitSAtSE

            Hey Abi,

            There was such a thing as articles before the war?

            Ha, what magazine?
            Hadas Eritrea?

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Thomas and thanks for your interesting comments. I am truly amazed at your psychic powers which enabled you to tag me as a DIA guy. Truly amazing!

          • Thomas

            Hi Blue Asmara,

            It is so simply as ” If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is duck”.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Thomas and thanks for your comment. With special intellectuals such as yourself, I now clealy understand why opposition parties are so unified and are having such a dramatic effect on the state of affairs in Eritrea. Cudos.

          • GitSAtSE

            Hey dembelas,

            It just means you miss me. Dude I never herded cows, sheep or goats during Kramat all the way from Himbrti to badume. It’s a good thing that at least part of Eritrea is reunited. The folks from badume will say to the rest of you when you are once again united with Ethiopia thus: What took you so long! Welcome back!
            For the record you have never heard me argue the border. The only one comment I have made regarding the badume was a quote: “Two bald men fighting for a comb.”

            And I shall tell you what that comb was. Hundreds of thousands of young lives. There. Now that would make two comments I have made with regards to badume. Would it benefit more or less say to, certain coal miner in Teseney named gebretSaduQ if Ethiopia was to have Asab? I think benefit him more. What say Tomy?

            tSAtSE

        • MS

          Selam Paulosay
          The personal attack aside (and please feel free to put me in any group), you have not answered my questions. How would de-emphasizing Wayane’s belligerence put your priorities in order. I asked me to tell me that. Second, if you believe all the opposition groups you have come across oppose Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Eritrean land, then why are you blaming me for the same position? This thread started because one of our vocal “opposition” personalities volunteered to lawyer for Emama EsTeobia, as if Ethiopia could not afford world class lawyers. Then you joined giving the thread an emotional crescendo by invoking the name of the great Petros Solomon. I told you Petros would never compromise his country’s sovereignty under any situation. You agreed, and said Ethiopia was indeed occupying Eritrean lands and the “final and binding” rule is final. However, you argued along the line that emphasizing the border issue diminishes the call for justice. I asked, “How come?” And that’s where we are stuck. Again I would like to know how the negligence or de-emphasizing of the EEBC ruling would energize the opposition (according to your priority theory). I know there are many patriotic Eritreans (individuals and factions) in the opposition camp who have even boycotted sitting with Wayane, and for that, they have been marginalized. So, I’m speaking of the opposition created in the images and likes of brother Emma.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Please do not act that you care more about Eritrea and the sacrifice of our Eritrean youth than those who fought to stop the destructive war lead by your comrade DIA, whom you adorn him day in day out by calling him “bitsay.” It is you who rode the Trojan horse of wayane to kill your brothers and sisters. Not Emma that you keep accusing him. Your boss gave badme to wayane in exchange to get hand from them to evict ELF from badme. You have hand in that black history my friend. It is better to stop this silly accusation, instead engage to save the nation and its people from the man who is committed to take us down with him.

            Regards

          • MS

            Selam Bxaay Emma, and also collateral damage
            Your formula works only if the Ethiopians were mere pacifist actors/angels. And no question you trust them so much that you take their words as superseding a legal agreement from which they decided to walk away. The opposition that’s created in your honor’s image thinks that it can gain more by appeasing wayane than by acting truthful to the aspirations and anxieties of Eritreans. Hayat is excused for playing down the border’s solution as an IA “making or breaking” factor, because, as my smart wayaneyti Haftey, she is always articulate on how she promotes Wayane interests. In her world there never existed a border, and it never exists. And if there is any faint line somewhere, it is probably created by the Arab-induced “deformed Eritrean” imagination. That’s how my Kibirty Wayaneyti Habtey Hayat thinks. So, she is forgiven for she bravely told you early on she has no qualms for the thing you guys call Eritrea and Eritreanism…..You happen to wallow between the extremes of Hayat and the more seasoned ideologues of Wayane who charm you by saying they actually love Eritreans more than the EPLF did. And you believe them. They tell you they will demarcate the border the day IA leaves. And you say” aha…EhhKh, and sprinkle your nonverbal responses to their lectures by that tongue clicking sound, all this while having a nice dinner and may be some fine “Rift Valley Wine”. They make you feel significant. They tell you how wrong they were when they hit you with that satanic organization called shaEbia. You feel great. You feel in control. You consume their ethnic politics, and pledge to promote it in Eritrean discourse. True to your word, you write articles after articles that place Wayane so high up there, just a bit lower and next to God. Their word is final, not the agreement signed in an international court of law. Their interpretation of the agreement is the final policy product, not how the lawyers argued it, and not how the judges deliberated the issues and how they rendered their ruling. You just trust Wayane more than you trust your own people. And you told us why. Eritreans are drowned in mutual suspicion and fear. Oh, yeah, they also lack Hamot. So, everything convinces you the way out is clinging to Wayane. And you sing: In Wayane We trust. But they sing: Hamshienay/Eritreawi Awan/Asha, and move on with their hypnotic interventions. You even get more woozy and take a trance train. The problem is Emma, you have underestimated these guys. They have fooled you. They will do everything in their power to twist agreements, break them, and so on, in order to maximize their share. And when this happens to be an issue regarding territory, why would they settle for less? Why would they become more generous to a toothless partner. You forget that you are talking about a well established government which knows the ins and outs of the opposition that operates in your image. They know its fabrics, its weight (public support), its potential of becoming a governing body, etc. They know it. They have the channels and tools to appraise you. In between the conversations, your wayane friends chime the Arabic saying, of course, in their own Tigrigna lingo, “Enta fi’ssanduq wo Kheberek fi’ssuQ”, they are saying, you are in [hidden] in a box, but your news is in the market. They are saying, “We know you but we entertain you because:
            a/ you annoy IA
            b/ you help us mask our regional aspirations.
            When we call for Eritrea’s sanction, please come in the forefront. When we call for the dismantling of Eritrea’s defense capability, please come and enhance our reasons, lease say any thing. When we make efforts to make the world forget about the agreement we disregarded, stand on our side, tell the world how insignificant the border issue is…how great we are…You enjoy surfing the high wave. But you forget how much you underestimated your partners. Many Eritreans are watching this drama playing live. Many find it to be obnoxious. They don’t want to subscribe for it. You call them PFDJista, they say, “No, please, just go on doing your thing, enta fi’ssanduQ wo Kheberek fi’ssauQ”, and the skirmishes continue.

          • sara

            Dear Ms..
            “enta fi’ssanduq wo kheberek fi’ssuq” {} ba’lash fadayeeh…ya beiy {}

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Don’t utter that makes you look foolish. Your Emma hasn’t any organization of his image nor has the influential power to rally the Eritrean people around his view. No one in the Eritrean politics made an organization in his/her image, other than your boss (the current despot) to the extent his colleagues worshiped him like demigod. That includes you by the way. So Emma represent his own conscience only. That is a lesson for today to you. I hope you will not come again with another absurd comment.

            Your truely brother

      • Collateral Damage

        Dear Muhamuday,
        Ethiopian here,
        I won’t comment on what should be a priority for Eritrea now , because that is for Eritreans to decide. But I have few questions
        What is your solution for the current state of Ethiopia and Eritrea? Do you believe Ethiopia should just pack and leave Bademe? How about the fate of residents in those border area? How about the thousands of rebels being trained in Eritrea? does it matter? if you are arming and training about 20k rebels are’t you in virtual state of war?
        do you think it’s not right to demand a comprehensive peace agreement before leaving strategic places captured after thousands of causalities in a war started by non other than his Excellency President Isaias Afeworki(at least according to the border commission).

  • Paulos

    Selamat Muhamuday,

    The heated debate is too tempting to pass it in a complete silence. Here I jump in. I say, the key word we are all looking for in the word-puzzle is relevance. The only relevant factors with in the Eritrean calculus are Isaias Afwerki and the Eritrean people (including the otherwise dignified men and women who are languishing in underground prisons). The other factors as in the Opposition, the Land and the Weyanes are irrelevant. Yes you read me right, they are all irrelevant.

    Here I would like to take you in a hypothetical lane where you get the chance to converse with Petros Solomon. Petros is in a bad shape and in a resigned voice with misty eyes he says to you that he is tired of waiting; he is tired of hoping against all hopes. He also says to you that he hoped history was to do him and his colleagues justice for they were right all along for calling Isaias out for starting the Bad’me war without consulting the Eritrean people which costed thousands of Eritrean souls. And he pleads with you to stand up for him and the Eritrean people to bring Isaias to justice. What would you say to him? Would you say Weyane has to get out of Badime first? Would you say the Opposition ought to condemn the Weyanes first and defend the land*? Or would you say to him that you have his back for history is the final arbiter when time is also the hidden factor.

    *Bad’me is occupied so is the port of Asseb leased!

    • Nitricc

      Hey P; Really? ” *Bad’me is occupied so is the port of Asseb [leased]!” you deserve a noble price for that preposterous and stupid comment. does principal mean anything to you? I agree, holding the people in prison is wrong but I can’t understand why your are more than the weyane themselves when it comes to Eritrea. how do you even compare Assab to Badime?

      • Paulos

        Selamat Nitrikay,

        Short answer: Isaias in the 80s handed (read: leased) Badme to the Weyanes without consulting anyone. 25 years fast forward, Isaias has leased the port of Asseb to a foreign nation without consulting the Eritrean people. Here is the weirder stuff: Isaias is training the very people who dream between the nights to get Asseb back. If that is not f***ed up not sure what is.

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Paulos and thanks for the interesting comments. Grateful if you could let me know which year in the 80s that President Isaias handed Badme to the woyanes? Would that not be more than 25 years ago? Thanks!

          • Paulos

            Selam Blue Asmara,

            As it happens, Emma has responded to Mohamuday something to that effect. To spare you the energy this is what Emma commented on: Isaias gave Bad’me to the Weyanes during the “civil war” between EPLF and ELF as the former in tandem with the Weyanes eventually pushed ELF out of Eritrea. If you ask me what the motive was behind the gift, I say not sure but one would think that it was sort of an act of gratitude on his behalf.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Paulos and thanks for you interesting comments. However why are we focusing on events during the EPLF-ELF days of old? What is the added value? And if you talk of Badme pre-liberation era, why not mention detailed discussions that took place at the Habte Hotel in Enda Selassie between the TPLF and EPLF in 1987.? Anyways, what happened prior to the EEBC is a moot point and simply a distraction.

  • KBT

    Selamat kulukhum
    I wish in this day happy birthday to my beloved president issayas afeworki wishing him long life with good health so he can rules for many years to come
    He will protect our homeland from the venom snacks that have multiple face who want to distabilize with lie our beloved country where all people, all religions live side by side in harmony
    And for all of you eritrean my brothers
    Opposition and pro, all my love and wish one day we will be one again, and great thank for this forum we like it or not and God bless and give little sense for awate team ,and also the must important on this year we wish our sworn enemy TPLF regime will be removed and deleted from history ones and for all
    Respectively your brother

  • ghezaehagos

    Hi Sal,

    ” The fiercest critic of the Government of Eritrea, a guy by the name of Isaias Afwerki, was at it again, mercilessly taking down its 25-year-record of utter failure.”
    What a way to start your expose! Epic.
    I have a theory here; Isaias, is not a control freak; he is the control freak. He doesn’t want to dominate; he wants to monopolize without mercy; bzey nhysa. If 98 out 100 people voted for him; he would lose sleep not elated because he got overwhelming majority but because he is so UPSET two people didn’t like him that much; or more importantly fear him that much.
    My theory: Anything about Eritrea, he considers is his own. The young the old, the land, the sea, the history, the future. Even the right to criticise the government is his and his only.
    The deranged guy who just turned 72 or 73 TODAY is indeed the worst thing that happened to Eritrea, possibly will ever happen.
    Eritrea will outlive him…

    “Eritrea was a curiosity for the US; Eritrea was smitten by the US, and when the US spurned Eritrea, Eritrea felt ignored (“I am not going to be ignored!”) and went on some bunny-boiling adventure. Except the bunny here is the poor Eritrean people.” Aptly done.

    Ghezae

    • chefena

      very well and succinctly said!

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, I would like to wish all the best for PIA, good health, long life and happiness on his birthday. Happy B-day PIA.
    I have listened to your interview and I am glad about your plan the new road-map that the country needed badly. I do understand this is your life long commitment to Eritrea and I see you taking all the way. I have no problem with that as long as there is a plan and a road map for the coming generation to lean on. Don’t you worry about the people who are screaming at you; they are no body and had done nothing as much as what you have done to Eritrea. Since, we are closing the chapter of the last 25 years, how about you complete the closing by releasing who ever in prisons are? They are were they are because of what happened in the last 25 years i.e. it is only fair and just to say we are concluding the last 25 years and starting a new one. So, PIA, let the prisoners free and let’s start a truly “new chapter.”
    Long Live PIA!
    Awet n’hafash!

    • Paulos

      Nitricc,

      Welcome back. I still have my doubts that you will learn from your mistakes and there will not be a ban on you from Awate. Simply because, I see a pattern. For the last decade or so you guys have been pleading with DIA to release the prisoners and even one of the websites sympathetic to him recently piled series of questions for him not only to no avail, it looks like DIA has more respect for those who stand up to him than the suckup-in-chiefs. Learn!

      • Thomas

        Hi Paulos,

        Nitric is doing what he does always. For most of the time, he has a free ticket writing crap on website because he rarely calls about releasing prisoners. It is like giving a dog a bone with no meat in it. You know just to make us think he cares. This guy never cares about the plight of our people or our nation, but his master DIA. He is broken beyond repair, he has long decided to stay the same and no one can change him. I call it, chosen to stay ignorant and selfish all the time…………………

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      Sooner or later he will be gone. And when he does I am 100% sure, his history will be thrown to the dust bin.

    • jordan

      Hi Nitricc
      I honestly see nothing wrong with Isaias himself, except for the fact that he is a dictator. If the country only were democratic I would see him as a great president. I mean he has developed Eritrea, starts factories and we have over 200 state-owned companies. Of course are there many problems with PIA, but for Africa he isn’t a bad president. If you think so, may you ask me why you think so?

      To be honest, I feel like Eritrea has people who have much more potiental to become a much better president than PIA. Which isn’t that hard either, but we’re actually blessed with smart people (but we’re easily fooled by propaganda).

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi all,
    Wild animals were in a mood to throw a party just for the sake of it. Their theme: “If humans can do it, why not us!” So there was a generous talk of shared work amongst to make it a reality.
    The elephant would say about preparing a dance band. The lion would say about tasking itself with sending out invitation cards. The Rhino volunteered to prepare a state of the art stage and venue for the event. Others picked something else. Only the intelligent hyena was refusing to get on board and take any assignment. Asked why, the hyena said: “I don’t usually entertain doing other stuff before securing the next dinner.”
    Hayat
    PS: dedicated to Blue Asmara

    • Abi

      Hi The Queen
      The hyena should have said “I do the clean up after the party”. That is what hyenas do. Scavenging!!!
      Dedicated to The One with 32 canines.

  • Paulos

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Aren’t we all beat up about dimarcate this and dimarcate that which is almost age of a teenager ready for college. I see that the forum is again veering to that kind of painfully boring topic between Blue Asmara possibly a YPFDJ brat and Horizon. The rationale is that once Ethiopia withdraws from Badime everything will be dandy where Isaias will be at his best behavior and will treat Eritreans with respect and dignity. If that is not a lame and stupid excuse I am not sure what is. On the other hand Ethiopia is to its necks with complex problems which could potentially be the end of EPRDF’s reign if it doesn’t rectify its ways. That said, please bring on exiting issues say about the sciences or mathematics or astronomy for a change.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Abraham & Paolos,

      Haw Abraham, in addition to the options you suggested to PFFJites, the first thing they have to do, if they want the border issue to be resolved, is to ask the international community to reinstate the mechanism for the demarcation process. Without doing that, nothing could happen about it. They kicked them out b/c they do not want it to be resolved. When I hear from them that weyane has to leave badme without demarcation is mind boggling. In order to have a legal conclusion to it, it has to be demarcated. In order to be demarcated the international mechanism has to be reinstated.

      Dear Paulos, the problem is, the PFDJites always bring the issue while the ball is in their hand and If they resolve issue, they have no other alternatives to hold hostages to our young generation. So for those of us who are aware of the tactics of PFDJ we should not engage them for they are doing it to divert us from the issue at hand. They know what they are doing, and Ethiopia will not pack and leave without the international community demarcated the border. Simply we are losing our focus on what we ought to do as opposition.

      Regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Amanuel Hidrat. Thank you for you kind comments and for keeping an open mind to different viewpoints and opinions; mighty generous of you. Most including myself wish for conditions to favorably change in Eritrea and we detest President Isaias and the PFDJ. At the same time, many of us believe that the border issue was and continues to be a major obstacle to sustainable Horn of African peace and prosperity to include that between Ethiopia and Eritrea. In my view, opposition groups are making a fundamental mistake in being concentric on taking down President Isaias and not including Badme on their agenda, which would have allowed for broader based appeal. You mention an international mechanism needed for the demarcation process, but if you were to recall, the EEBC was ready to perform the actual demarcation in 2002 but Ethiopia insisted on first having meetings with Eritrean counterparts on how the demarcation would be implemented. Wikileaks cables which were later leaked (you can easily Google them) revealed that the TPLF had wished to ‘negotiate’ Badme in effort to secure semi-autonomous use of the Port of Assab with discounted tariffs applied. Once President Isaias and the PFDJ pass, no matter who comes to power, be it a Ghandi or Obama replica, Badme will still remain a major stumbling block in normalizing relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Blue Asmara,

          First we do not have to kick out the international mechanism even if the Ethiopian government declined to cooperate.Without the International community we will not get a conclusive peaceful solution.

          Second, coming to the round table to discuss with Ethiopia about how to demarcated on the ground does not mean to change any of the court decission unless they agree both sides to make adjustment.

          Third, the opposition does not have any mandate, but the government does. The call of the opposition to both sides is to sit in a round table, what diplomacy demand, and talk to resolve it. There is no demarcation without talking each other in the presence of the international mechanism. I hope this will help you to understand the behavior of the regime and why it become the obstacle to the resolution of the border issue. I am trying to answer to you assuming that your are not from the brainwashed Eritreans who consider the Whole world as the enemy of Eritrea.

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Blue Asmara

            Thanks Amanuel Hidrat for your valuable comments. I believe that it is beneficial to reflect on what actually transpired following the announcement of the EEBC ruling. First, the Government of Meles Zenawi blatantly refused to implement the border EEBC because it said that it had no reasonable guarantee that such action would alter the aggressive adversarial strategic posture of Eritrea. Second and at that time, the Meles regime believed that if it permitted border demarcation and the return of Badme, only to face the continue onerous security rivalry with Asmara, it would pay high domestic costs. So only after some time, did voices emanate from Addis Ababa indicating that Meles had accepted the decision ‘in principle’ but demanded negotiations on the normalization of relations before it would permit the disputed border to be returned to be demarcated (and return Badme to Eritrea). Eritrea responded by invoking language of the Algiers accord and asserted that because the EEBC decision was designed to be ‘final and binding’ attempts to link its implementation to the normalization of relations were ‘ipso facto’ a violation of existing agreement between the two parties. While the Eritrean position was not viewed uncritically from an international legal perspective, it did have the facts on its side. After all, both Eritrea and Ethiopia signed on the dotted line. In November 2004, Ethiopia presented its ridiculous ‘Five-Point Peace Plan’ which was a Necker Cube of sorts and did nothing to bring anything new to the table; as Ethiopia still wished to negotiate broader issues such as Assab Port use into the equation. It was only after Ethiopia Five-Point Peace Plan had been presented did President Isaias later in December 2005 request UNMEE to leave as he felt that they had no real purpose and were only supporting the status quo. Had Badme been demarcated back in 2002, its physical demarcation would have been a rather simple matter given population sparsity in the area but that has not changed as the Ethiopian Government has since 2002 actively supported a villigization campaign for the area and population density and fixed assets have dramatically increased.

        • ghezaehagos

          Selam Blue Asmara,
          As long as there are villages, there are land disputes. As long as there are nations states, there will be territorial disputes. Just google border-territorial disputes, you may be shocked to learn Badme is just one the hundreds in the world. There are 45 of them in Africa, alone.
          This is something that started 19 years ago. We tried to settle the matter by force and then by peace. We couldn’t get it done both ways. No problem, you can’t win things always and history teaches us that.
          There is no justification for these kind of tyranny and savagery just because you didn’t get Badme. This get ‘Badme or die Trying’ is simply what brought us here. With or without Badme, rule of law and justice are not negotiable.
          I want you to ponder on this: If/since Woyane is your worst enemy, why do you expect them to implement the border rulings? Why do you put your enemy’s cooperation as a precondition to introduce rule of law in Eritrea.
          I surmise you have little knowledge about opposition. There are many groups that also state EEBC rulings should be upheld. Did you join them or do you want? if that Badme issue is burning for you.
          The most important thing is having rule of law and basic human rights in Eritrea. Any other issue, Badme, opposition etc fall sideways because we have a regime that is ruling the people for shy of 26 (TWENY SIX YEARS) without law; but with savagery, disappearances, untold exodus and with no future. The rest as we say is ‘medakemia.’
          Ghezae

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Ghezaehagos and thanks you for your valuable comments. I believe that the Badme border issue distinctively different than other land disputes across the globe in that it followed a bloody war and a cease fire agreement (Algiers Agreement) with both Ethiopian and Eritrean Heads of State agreeing to respect a final and binding decision that would be rendered by a neutral Border Commission based in the Hague. A decision was rendered in favor of Eritrea for which Prime Minister Meles and the Ethiopian Government at least initially and flagrantly refused to accept. Villages in the Badme triangle? Ask anyone that had physically been there prior to the border war and they will tell you that Badme itself was a village on a dirty dusty road composed of only around 2,000 people in loosely assembled huts, half used by people and the other half used by livestock. Back then it would have been a very simple matter to demarcate the area. What has happened since the war ended has been indeed remarkable yet rarely talked about. After announcement of the EEBC border commission the Ethiopian Government commenced a deliberate villagization campaign to quickly occupy and establish a presence in the area. And in a slap-of-the-face manner, the Ethiopian Government quickly erected a victory monument in Badme.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat

        “When I hear from them (the PFDJits) that weyane has to leave badme without demarcation is mind boggling.”

        It is not the hardheaded Amara and Tigrean Neftenas who still dream ” ” ኤርትራ ሁለት አይነት ሞት ይጠብቃታል:: አንዱ ከኢትዮጵያ ተገንጥላ በኢኮኖሚ መሞት፣ ወይም ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ተመልሳ በፖለቲካ መሞት (after a quarter of a century Eritrean independence) that infuriates me the most. It is the Woyane apologists in the Eritrean opposition that make me sick to the stomach.

        Amanuel: You don’t need to bend backwards to appease the Woyanes. You don’t have to make the case for them. Feeling at home here at Awate – they have capable cadres lined up in this website just to do that – the Hayats, The Horizons, The Abis, The Kazanches, THe Amdes, The Fantis…….. Please have some respect for yourself – and defend Eritrea, Eritrean sovereignty, and Eritrean territorial integrity for a change – just once.

        The border issue is not a PFDJ thing, it is an Eritrean thing – so you know. To pack and leave our Eritrean sovereign territories, they don’t have to like our government, they don’t have to love us, they don’t have to be our friends…… All they have to do is respect us as sovereign people and as sovereign nation and respect international law. And that is not too much to ask.

        The Eritrean opposition has been a Trojan Horse for Woyane, CoIE, SEMG, ICC……. for far too long – which got them nowhere. They would be served better if they would come up with their own authentic idea for a change. But I guess, repeating chapters and verses of foreign governments blueprints and agendas is that makes them feel smart. Smart!!

        Semere Tesfai

        • Hayat Adem

          Greetings SemT,
          Even the boring PIA is not talking about the border any more. He said he had it settled with the virtual map and there is nothing to talk about. Now he is talking about other stuff: projects that failed, youth that have been emptied, 25 old chapters that have been closed and the new chapter of the next 25, that has been just opened, constitutions that have been written off and rewritten, and the Fikuyuma, Huntington… if you can’t move on with the people, can you at least move on with your man?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            Mind your own business. You’ve a lot on your plate. Feed your people.

          • Abi

            Hi Smere T
            This is a cheap shot by your standards.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Semere,

          Serving to the whim of the despotic beast is not respect to our people and our sovereignty. By doing that you are the enemy of the oppressed Eritrean people. This must pointblankly be clear to you on your face.The regime in power has no the diplomatic capacity to solve the border issue nor has the capacity to govern the decent and hard working Eritrean people. The sad story is when the regime become the face of Eritrea on the international community.

          Regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            If you were the spokesperson of the Eritrean people, if you were talking on behalf of the Eritrean people, if you were standing for the good of Eritrea – for sure the Eritrean people would have lined-up behind you. But they are not. Look where the Eritrean opposition is. How do you explain that?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SemT,
            So you think the people are with PIA and not with the opposition?. Once you made your mind on that point though, why are you asking Emma to adjust? According to you, everyone is getting what everyone deserves. So why the foul cry?
            Be happy that PIA is right and enjoying popular support and be happy as well the opposition is wrong and hungry of popular support. Be happy PIA led the nation and its people to glory and prosperity. Be happy that the opposition didn’t get a chance to power because if they did, they would have ruined the nation and denied the glory it had achieved under PIA. Be happy my brother.
            You are 63. So the Awate movement started almost when you were born. You joined that movement together with Kokob Selam and Emma. You switched sides and now you call your btSot an opposition denied of supporr from the people.
            Your side gave Badime to Woyane while Emma’s side opposed in the field years. Your side opened up an unnecessary and unwinnable war while Emma’s side opposed. Your side lost the war and Badime, too.
            Your side is now too weak and helpless to use force to evict or wisdom to sit and dialogue with Woyane. Emma’s side has the wisdom and the will to change things for the better. But your man wants them to operate in the moon. You never said anything when you heard him saying so. You only want Emma to stand with him. Your are blaming Emma’s side for not joining you in the noise of madness to support IA.
            Emma and Kokob Selam didnt blame you for switching sides. But you cant blame for not following you everytime you detoure from the road of truth and wisdom. You chose it. You won it. Walk it alone my friend, walk it alone.

          • ghezaehagos

            Emma and all,

            “If Love is that moves the sun and others stars, it is Hate that moves them. Hate of opposition. ”

            People like Semere Tesfay and other PFDJ aplogists don’t really care what Isaias says or does. In all probabilities, they don’t even listen to him. They don’t care how he administers the nation. They simply don’t. In all fairness, only Sal listens to Isaias’s interview:)

            Their sole and only obsession is the opposition. Nothing else. There are supporters in real sense, only those who hate the opposition. If Love is that moves the sun and others stars, it is Hate that moves them. Hate of opposition.

            Otherwise, in all seriousness you could expect them to deal with his interview; what he said last year; his promise on constitution, the salary increase on national service etc. They don’t care and it is not their business.
            Even 10 years later, when he is 83 and he talks of the same hatewqetew, people like Semere T will still hammer the opposition with everything they got, without confronting with Isaias policies, his broken promises etc….Think of it 26 years without law and they are still obsessed on one who is NOT in Eritrea at all; the opposition.
            Remember; there are no real supporters of the regime because there is nothing to SUPPORT; but only haters of the opposition.
            Yours,
            Ghezae Hagos

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Ghezaehagos

            “Remember; there are no real supporters of the regime because there is nothing to SUPPORT; but only haters of the opposition.”

            GhezaE: You got it backwards. There are no real supporters of the opposition because there is nothing to SUPPORT; but only haters of the PFDJ regime – is the right description.

            Close to forty opposition organizations for 4-5 million Eritreans is insanity. The silent majority are not silent because they hate the opposition, they are silent because there is no credible alternative opposition organization one could look-up to.

            Isaias Afewerki, his ministers, his Generals and colonels, his militias, all his true supporters, the whole PFDJ infrastructure at home and abroad….. could disappear today, and still, there won’t be any opposition that could fill the void. Among the Eritrean opposition organizations, there is no minimum unison message that could carry them to Asmara – None. That is how bad the Eritrean opposition are.

            The never converging parallel politics of the Eritrean opposition is not a solution for what is ailing Eritrea, it is a burden for Eritrea and Eritreans – even for those who reside outside Eritrea.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere Tesfai,

            Your honor, I am protesting against your blanket classification of all opposition as driven by “hate of the PFDJ regime – for religious, ethnic, regional, grudge, vengeance….. reasons.”

            Speaking of myself, I gladly plead guilty for one accusation: HATE FOR THE PFDJ. And I am praying you will ask me to apologize for that 🙂

            While at it, and if you do not mind, I would like to know how you define “Silent Majority”?

            I am asking because you imply you are one! How could an outspoken person like you be defined as silent-anything?

            Dear Semere, it is fine if you do not wish to answer that, but please note that your type of claim is what made me rule out the existence of any silent majority–there are silent minority, but silent majority! I am glad the cover-up is exposed for the langa-langa or for the embarrassed-to-admit PFDJistas position that it is. Please, whatever you say, kindly do not characterize yourself as a silent person–don’t insult the intelligence of your readers. I am sure you wouldn’t do that knowingly 🙂

            Thank you sir

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            1. – “Speaking of myself, I gladly plead guilty for one accusation: HATE FOR THE PFDJ. And I am praying you will ask me to apologize for that :-)”

            Ala Abu Selah: Why would I ask you “to apologize for hating the PFDJ regime? I envy you for that. I wish I can do that. But I can’t. The reason: I can’t qualify for an opposition because I’m not dealt the right card at birth. Let me explain:

            I can’t join the Low Land Liberation Front because I’m not a Low Lander. Therefore the Lowlanders won’t accept me. I can’t join the Kunama Liberation Front because I’m not Kunama. Therefore the Kunamas won’t accept me. I can’t join the Jihadist and Islamist organizations because I’m not a Muslim, therefore the Jihadists and Islamists won’t accept me. I can’t join the Afar Liberation Front because I’m not Afar. Therefore they won’t accept me even if I want to. I can’t join the Bilen, Jeberti, Saho….organizations because I’m not one of them.

            Therefore, by default, without my consent, they (Awatistas) put me on the – you know what category. In my entire life, never been EPLF tegaday. Never been PFDJ cardholder. Never lent moral support or rooted for Isaias, PFDJ, EPLF or GoE. Now, do you sympathize with me? Of course you do. Because old Jebhaji comrades always have soft spot for each other 🙂

            2. – “While at it, and if you do not mind, I would like to know how you define “Silent Majority”?”

            Not at all – I don’t mind my dear. Why would I? OK this is my take: Silent majority is like me Semere Tesfai. And let me tell you my childhood story as analogy to help me explain – how I see the Silent Majority thing.

            I was born in a small Kebessa village from very poor parents. The menu on our table (ዕለታዊ ማኣድና) was Shiro for lunch and dinner and ሻሂን ቅጫን for breakfast during good times – and ሓምሊ without the excesses just with ጨው: ጣይታን በርበረን፡ ጣይታን ጨውን፡ ቖሎ ወይ ጥጥቖ….. at times when my parents got low on their cereal (እኽሊ) inventory. And my siblings and I never blamed our parents for not providing us with ጸብሒ ደርሆ: ጸብሒ ዝግኒ: ቅልዋ ስጋ: ሕሙቶን ድሎትን……. as they were doing more for us (their kids) – more than they did for themselves. I wish, I could say I did for my parents a fraction of one percent what they did for me and my siblings – but that is different story.

            Therefore, knowing our parents budget, me and my siblings were content with the food that we were blessed to have on our table. Because we always believed ወለድኻ ስኢንካ – ዘኽቲምካ: ድፍን ኣኢልካ ምሕዳርውን ኣሎ ኢልና ኣሚንና: ምሸተ-ምሽት: ንጽገብ ኣይንጽገብ: ተመስገን ኣምላኽ ኢልና: ብርኪ ወለድና ተሳሊምና ኣንዳ ደቀስና ዓቢና::

            And this is the moral of the story. Eritreans are pragmatic people. They make their decision based on the political organizations they have – not on the political organizations they want to have. And, the choices they have are what you see – regional political organizations, ethnic political organizations, Islamic political organizations, Mama Ethiopia loving Unionist political organizations, even AgAzian political organization now in the making……..

            And when you see all these, what comes to mind is – like Lybya, Yemen, Syrya, Iraq… ሃገርካ ስኢንካ – ዘኽቲምካ: ድፍን ኣኢልካ ምሕዳርውን ኣሎ ‘ዩ ኢልካ: ምሸተ-ምሽት: ዕገብ ኣይትዕገብ – ተመስገን: ካብ ክፉእ ዝኸፍእ ኣሎ ኢልካ: ደቂስካ ምሕዳር – is what I call life of a silent majority. You may not support the PFDJ regime, but for lack of better alternative, you wouldn’t be foolish enough to push it through the cliff.

            I hope I made myself clear (not to convince you) -but to explain my side of the argument.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Kbut ato Semere Tesfai,

            You haven’t answered my question but you are very clever (for the uninitiated). The naive might think did answer it 🙂

            Dear Semere, me and you are similar, people might mistake us for twins, I mean as far as belonging to any opposition group. However, it is not an excuse that I expect from my twin brother.

            I do not have a fitting analogy, as in shiro and qcha bshahi and otherstuff, thanks to God, I had a good upbringing except for the suffering of my parents because, just like Isaias, the Haile Sellasie regime didn’t like self-sufficient people if they were “not dealt the right card at birth.” I wish I could explain it the way you did, but unfortunately, I do not have a fitting analogy 🙂

            Reading the paragraph where you explain about the nature of Eritreans, and how pragmatic they are, I cringed–did you forget I am your twin brother? Did you mistake me for someone from Siberia or Gambia? Why would you think you know Eritreans better than I do? That sounds and smells like a condescending comment my brother. But I have observed a while ago, that it is a poignant reminder of one of your character flaws my dear–don’t patronize your equals–I am hoping you will appreciate the fact that it is better you heard it from your twin brother. Promise me, no bad feeling, please.

            At any rate, I agree we have more than our share of pragmatic people, isn’t the excessive pragmatism that brought us to where we are? Don’t you think it would be better if we replaced a bit of our pragmatism for a bit of wisdom and reconciliation? That would be better that disowning many chunk of your people for trivial reasons, for being advocates of this or that group right. What do you expect when let alone opposition and dissenting voices, remains of veterans are denied a burial right in their motherland. That would be enough agenda to oppose the PFDJ regime, forget the grand rasons of forging a replacement government. Let’s stick and make our position known on the azilo agenda of opposition instead of hiding behind the skirt of silent or deaf majority that doesn’t exist. Think about that my twin brother. Our country is going down hill, we are facing a great risk, the sooner we heal our wounds and call for an honorable reconciliation, the better. That we shouldn’t leave for the pragmatists who lack a tiny bit of wisdom. Free people do not settle for what fate deals the, they fight for what’s right, regardless of when and how they succeed–that is better left for the pragmatists.

            You do not have to belong to any of the groups that yo despise, in fact all of them, that you hate. I do not belong to any of them–yet I do not believe one has to share an identity with a specific opposition group to stand for what is right, and shun what is wrong. All you need is conscience, and I am sure you have a huge one. I am not asking you to belong to any group, I am asking you to stand with the wronged, your people and my people, regardless of their identity, as long as they are human-beings, as long as they are Eritreans, for who we wasted our youth–try not to be found even making a slight gesture that could be perceived or interpreted as one in support of the oppressors. That is not too much to ask from a “Jebhaji” twin brother, my very twin brother, Semere?

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Semere,
            Since to you opposition is weak, meaningless, then let us forget these weak and meaningless. Entay ika emo g’zieKa tetfaAlom.
            The curse of Eritrea is inside. Think of the millions of the Eritrean people inside Eritrea; to their daily problems and the political failures at large, how can you blame the opposition? Ay BieDom B’eGrom! If only, for failing to deliver them which means there is someone who oppresses and persecutes them?
            I will reintroduce you with the oppressor. Isaias Afewerki. He just gave his annual interview. He admitted he tried his best to woo USA to pick him and he was rejected over others. AyteHerenan. He admitted his failed economic policies. He said nothing about prisoners that are languishing in his dungeons. He insulted German leader.
            Now, isn’t wiser and more truthful to deal with the one who is breaking Eritrea for 25 years PLUS than harping on ‘meaningless opposition’? That is why we call you no matter Isaias does or says, for you can only see the opposition, not the suffering of your people; it is the obsessive hatred against some opposition that gets you going, not how what is happening to our mutual nation under the brutal rule of Isaias Afewerki.
            Ghezae

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Semere, what you quoted in Amharic was said in the mid nineties; not that there may be many Ethiopians today who may claim so.

        • MS

          Selam Semere
          This same mindset of volunteerism to defend the belligerence of Wayane is at the core of the reason why the so called opposition has been crippled since its inception. Nothing to show except volunteer activism that helps the hostile policies of Wayane towards Eritrea. They have contributed in isolating Eritrea, in sanctioning it, in denying it from getting development assistance, and in weakening it’s defens capabilities in a hostile neighborhood. They have become ordinary couriers and pamphleteers of Wayane. I can believe one tries to justify the unjustifiable. I’m so called mechanism was in place to ensure the cessation of hostilities and the executions of the modalities. UN didn’t stop its work because the peacekeepers were kicked out ( and that happens only in Eritrea- tsk,tsk). It completed its work. Emma, wake up and have some respect for the people who died along that bloody border. Please check if you have got some residual of the Hamot (bile) that you said Eritreans ran out of. The verdict was made, and the border has been deliminated inspire of the absence of the bratty peacekeepers who adulterated our girls and culture, and who dared to break local laws. They were kicked out because they wanted to repeat in Eritrea what they had been accustomed to elsewhere. The UN compled it’s virtual demarcation when Wayane renegated to its obligation. The UN didn’t demand that it would not Carry on its mandate because its peacekeepers were thrown out because there was no peace to keep and there was no hostilities by both armies to warrant the installation of the peacekeepers, they were fine working between two well disciplined armies. Therefore, this repeated call for the reinstallment of the “mechanism” is nothing but defending the party that has been occupying Eritrean land. And you wonder why so many “silent majority”!!!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam MS

            Thank you for standing for the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans.

            MS: I perfectly understand why we couldn’t agree on every issue. What I don’t understand is why we fail to agree (here at Awate) in defending Eritrea and Eritreans.

            Just look who up votes and defends the likes of Amanuel Hidrat – The Hayats, The Horizons, The Fantis…..

            Every moment of the day just smell’s rotten fish!!!

            That is what makes me uncomfortable.

            Semere Tesfai

          • MS

            Ahlan Semere
            I don’t agree with the way our country has been run for decades now, I have the same misgivings towards PFDJ and the man leading it. However, I don’t mix pop corn and grains of sand together and expect I won’t lose a tooth. Why would the opposition of PFDJ/IA should mean giving implicit and explicit support of wayane destructive policies? Can’t one call Ethiopian belligerence for what it is and, at the same time, oppose PFDJ, for God’s sake? I wonder, I know you are wondering too. Ygermana’lo.

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Mahmud,
            Certainly there is nothing to wonder about this as you know very well there are Eritrean opposition groups who openly defy Ethiopia and repeatedly state their support to EEBC rulings. Did it move anyone? I don’t think so. I don’t even see you give them credit for that.
            What should prompt you to say ‘yigermenalo’ though is Isaias New Year Interview of 2017. I think we all know more than anything about Eritrea, this guy matters most. His pronouncements have the effect of laws. After a year of promising new ‘constitution’ and other promises, there he doesn’t even bother to update us on the fellow-ups…Aygerimn?!
            Many times, I see you argue the unfair treatment of US to Eritrea and that Eritrea defied USA geo-political interests. Well, dear MS, would you update your information given the fact that our Chieftain said , “we were not chosen/ AyteHerenan” ember kab miftan’Si Adi AyeweAlnan zeAynetu….Isn’t his own admission mean something about the hypocrisy of his foreign policy and most importantly his failure to garner support?
            Yours,
            Ghezae Hagos

          • MS

            Selam Haw gezaeHagos
            For the first part of your comment, I have already expressed my impression and feeling towards Bxaay IA and his mekhetes….under SAAY article. I just don’t have time, otherwise I could have lodged one of my Hatetas that annoy SAAY.
            For the second part: I’m specifically commenting on Emmas repeated expressions that in order to finalize the demarcation process the UN “mechanism” has to be reinstated. You are talking about who is Kadami (American clientele/servant), two different issues. I’m reminding Emma that the train has long left the station. The UN believes it has concluded its technical obligation; the UN and many UN-member states and regional brokers, including the Americans, are calling on Ethiopia to implement the UN ruling to demarcate the already delineated border. The mechanism Emma is talking about was meant to help accomplish the process that had led to delineation of the border, and demarcating. And for any legal and practical matters, the border is demarcated, and a copy of that map is in the archives of the UN. The rest is a matter of good will. If there is a good will Eritrea can explore the “let’s talk first” proposal of the Ethiopians, but it’s not obligated to do so. However, Ethiopia is obligated to accept the result, or persist on its belligerence. IA failure in pursuing prudent foreign policy does not make Ethiopia’s belligerence right.
            Now,

          • Selam Semere T.

            Why this cheap shot again. Why do you try to show that those who do not worship your demigod in asmara are less eritrean than you or your likes, by putting Amanuel H. and Hayat A. among Ethiopians. Unlike you these eritreans have chosen their people before the land, justice for their people instead of serving the whims of a dictator, and they stand for peace for the whole region. That is what they are trying to tell you. With every chance you label overtly and covertly as less of an eritrean any person who does not want to serve the dictator. This is not the age of hadi hizbi and hadi libi under the gun. You should try to accept the freedom at least of those eritreans who live far from the grip of the dictator. These people are on the right side of history for they are with the people.

            Of course, they do not need my support in any way, but when you continue to put them with ethiopians so often, one is forced not to overlook continuously. You should know that every problem has its solution, and so do the border and badme. It might not be in your time and under your emperor, but their will be a solution, and ethiopians and eritreans will live side by side in peace, when the toxicity of this generation is no more around.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            So you are telling us that the pillars are on place and the demarcations are done through out the entire border. No my friend, to delineate is not to demarcate. Yes the verdict was made and the border is delineated on a map. That doesn’t mean it is demarcated on the ground. So the question to you is how will it be demarcated if the instrument of the international mechanism is removed? Second, both countries are not in talking mood to communicate each other, and the international community are disgusted by the behavior of the antagonists, and until both countries wanted the border to be demarcated and demand the help of the international community, we will remain where we are. Taking in to account the current realities, what mechanism do you have in mind to end the stalemate? Just demanding Ethiopia to pack and leave won’t happen, until we make a legal conclusion to it. And that is, to finalize the demarcation of the border.

            Second, defending the policy of the despot does not make you more Eritrean, in fact it makes you an appeaser of the despot. And that is what you are doing. I do not defend any regime (a) who abrogate the rights of citizen (b) who does not come to power by the will of the people (c) A regime who engage in adventurist war without the consent of the parliament with all its neighbors with the blood of my people (d) a regime who imprisoned our citizen without law and due process……and the list will gone on. Mahmuday, since you are the creed of this regime, you will defend by all means, and will continue to do so even at the cost of your colleagues who are dying in the foxholes of their prison. You stood against the demonstration in Geneva intended to bring the human rights issue of your colleagues and thousands other Eritreans. Man! what is your misgiving against the regime, if it isn’t the human right issue of our people? For you, what the regime is doing against our people is “misgiving” and for me it is a “crime of humanity.” Can you see the difference between me and you on the issue of our people? And yes, history will speak the truth in due time. I chose to defend my people before I defend our land. You chose to defend the land before you defend our people. The cry of our people is the cry of those who defend their rights and is not the cry of those who feed the beast.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Semere T.,

          What wisdom and expertise?

          Can’t you see that people are just making noises, unable to do anything other than counting the days till Isaias passes away?

          “Tweedledum and Tweedledee
          Agreed to have a battle!
          For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
          Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

          Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
          As black as a tar-barrel!
          Which frightened both the heroes so,
          They quite forgot their quarrel.”

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Paulos and thanks for you kind comments. I never said that President Isaias would be on good behavior should Ethiopia withdraw from Badme. Badme for many Eritreans is an issue of principle and has no time limit.

      • Paulos

        Selamat Blue Asmara,

        It looks like you and I are in agreement on the fact that Isaias Afwerki is bad bad for Eritrea and he needs to exit the political scene as in he needs to retire. That said, the rallying cry if you will ought to be around the unimaginable oppression and human rights violation with no working Constitutional mechanisms what so ever instead of the occupation of Badime. Simply because as an astute Awatista put it recently, Badime is a piece of spinach stuck in between the teeth as opposed to the above cited violations which is a serious pathology. Besides, what are you going to do if Ethiopia says “over my dead body”? Are you still going to beat the drums till your palms go callous? Thing is, Badime is irrelevant where it only finds its relevancy in political expidency at the expense of the Eritrean people.

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Paulos and thanks for you valuable comments. Yes, I agree that President Isaias’s times has passed and it would be better for him to step aside; though I worry what is to follow. I agree with you 100% on the need to tackle big issues such as implementing a Constitution, functional Judicial System, etc. However, I completely disagree with you on the issue of Badme for its touches the very heart of Eritrean sovereignty and pride and in that its status has already been defined by a legal U.N. supported process which confirms Ethiopia’s illegal occupation. In my humble view, Eritrean opposition parties have failed miserably by not holding Ethiopia accountable for the EEBC border ruling at the same time that they launch their much needed frontal assault on President Isaias and the PFDJ. For it they would have, they certainly would have been able to secure broader based support that what is the case at present. Why for example, have Eritreans living in the U.S.A.,not actively lobbied/pressured the U.S. political apparatus to have Ethiopia respect the EEBC border ruling? They should have been doing this all along while at the same time they maintain their attack on President Isaias and the PFDJ. By failing to do so, it makes most opposition parties , wrongly or rightly, seem sympathetic to the TPLF and Ethiopian interests.

  • Graviton

    peace new?

    Long live atse begulibetu!!! where is Eritrean exceptionalism?anyone?

  • Brhan

    Salam Alikum S. Younis,

    It is a great content analysis. It would have been better had it included two important components of content analysis.

    1. The publics of the interview from PF(JD) perspective and why
    2. The medium (language) of the interview

    To whom is PIA talking

    1. The public of the interview from PF (JD) perspective
    • Primary public: PF (JD) s reps (internal and external), cadres and military leaders so that they stop abandoning him which they are doing anyways. In his mind these are what he wants to listen specially when he knows they do not have access to alternative source of information partly because there is none and partly because there is heavy scrutiny to these groups
    • Secondary public: PF(JD) sympathizers, the Tigrinya listeners south of the border: for the first to draw them to the preceding public and for the later just to interfere, for those who forgot history just listen Wedi Tukul’s AB DEDEBIT ZITEWELEIT TUWAF….
    • Third public: anyone, who is privileged to know Tigrinya like me, SAAY

    2. The language of the interview: Tigrinya, Indications?
    • Being the interview(s) in Tigrinya is one of the systematic techniques of the PF (JD) policy to make Tigrinya the official language of Eritrea. The others being the media, music, movie and arts that are being dominated by Tigrinya. Amharic had been imposed to Ethiopians, systematically and by using force. And when Ethiopians decided to do referendum to choose their official language after the fall of the Derg, they did not find in front of them except Amharic. There are many things that the PF (JD) wants to change in Eritrea without the constitution, rule of law and democracy. One of them is the issue of official language. Others are like the issue of land, demography of the many parts of the country and even the norms of the Eritreans
    • For the sake of fairness if we say PIA will be more articulate in Tigrinya than any language to give interviews, at the same time we have o be fair to those who can’t understand it. There has never been a parallel interpretations to his interviews ( in text or sound) in the other Eritrean languages. The grievance of being left behind is enormous and many feel that they are considered as second or third class citizens not because the interview is not in their language but because the PF (JD) decided that they didn’t deserve equal opportunity to access the interview.
    • Last but not least, PIA who has no respect to his own media, used extensively political terms both in English and Tigrinya as if he is not in front of a mass media outlet :TV. This shows he has no care to the ordinary Eritrean Tigrinya speaker. It is as if he is lecturing his cadres and not addressing the people.

  • kazanchis

    Hello all,

    I have watched few minutes of his interview and in some he has a point and I liked his self-critical assessment of his administration but in most part it is just an empty rhetoric. He said there’s electricity problem but he was critical of developing the dams or generating electricity. He asked many times. i quote, “why and how do you need the electricity for? to do what?…” He even lambasted that Ethiopia’s hydro-electric dams are for empty brag. Ethiopia went from just 340Mw in 1991 to 4,000plus Mw in 2016. How can there be industrialization without electricity and the president seems to contradict with himself time and time again.

    Peace!

  • Abrehet Yosief

    Selam Saay,
    Thank you for this analysis. The only thing I can think of when I listen to his interview is “Hilmi derho kingreka? Ewe. Ewe do yibehal eyu. Do bahal do bahal eyu. …”

  • Hayat Adem

    How are you all?!
    The article is great in so far as not just summerizing the long interview for us (which is a great help on its own – how else would one survive such repulsive blubbering every year) but more so in providing us with the much more important contextual cross references.
    Hayat

  • Amde

    Selam Saay,

    Excellent summary.

    I just wanted to remark that the new 3 unit reorganization sounds suspiciously like the map created in 1987/86 by the Derg for Eritrea. A proto ethnic map… me thinks…

    Plus ca change….

    Amde

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Amde,

      “teKdeno Bsel!” What is in it for the aging Fidel of HOA? Lets use Ha or Be of the Fidel to Cast (as in cast three raws..Castro the Vertical Distribution..)

      Ha) Abraham Isayas be the Heir to rule the Tigrigna Agazian on the Eritrean side
      Be) the U-turn Ali n Hafash to be Emir of the Western low lands
      Le) The North as the 16th Emirates with “The Best” The Crow MaHmuday as the Emir

      Yes, the only choice is to open the borders with the 1987/86 Derg had in mind… But you can go even further a decade back when through the offices of East Germans, I think, Isayas and the EPLF were negotiating a peace plan almost identical to the one you mention… dig further or maybe the Eritreans should, phase one was to cut off or eliminate the ELF… we all know how that went after….

      Not only was AI groomed through Artificial Intelligence, but the Hafash as well to give Abi his deed to Huneish Islands. I am the one now “lost in translation.”

      Bamboozled is not anyone, as each has played their part according to design.

      tSAtSE

      • Amde

        Selam ግጻጸ Good Sir

        Re your ሀ, በ and ለ…

        Yes, but what is in it for the wanna-be Castro progeny? It sounds like a capitulation to the dreaded Weyane ethnic centered administration ideology. “Here son, I made a nice cra# stew for you, enjoy.”

        I can’t tell if you are serious about the “The only choice is…” paragraph.

        The “AI groomed through Artificial Intelligence” line is gold. Ever since this was mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I have been seeing in my mind a line of calm, learned and wise greybeard waiting to go in and impart THEIR piece of wisdom to the annointed one, and on the end, another line of equally wise and learned wise men leaving, except with terrified we-are-doomed looks.

        At what age is a mind still amenable to being tutored? I guess it wont matter if the expectation is to have an exposure of the people and the issues.

        Amde

        • GitSAtSE

          Selam Amde,

          In week three I will theorize about Bannon. There wont be a capitulation as the script is already at hand to say contrary.

          I think at age five but if not definitely fifty. You will like week three a lot better than the weak week two.
          tSAtSE

          • Amde

            Selam Giጻጸ

            Week Three.. The Tensening

            Week Four… The Coarsening

            Weak X… The Slaughtering begins

            No sir, no capitulation..

            Week Two has gone swimmingly, as it has shown a real spine deficit in the institutions. No Spine, All Supine

            Your highness, pray tell are you familiar with the Shock.bzzz.. Doctrine, bless you?

            Amde

  • Abraham H.

    Selam folks, I don’t understand what is the meaning of bringing three ‘journalists’ sitting in a row to ask a few questions that have already been prepared by the dictator himself?

    • sara

      Anta abraham,
      Elal ertrwyan nay hiji do tefelet,
      N tramp rekas eze nahna diktator zehshelu eu .ata zom ameroka entay woridwom..n ana demokrasy emdabelu resena ahbetomo…eze d u demokrasy..
      Anxar kulu alet,haymanot,sedtenya telaelu..
      Wa…ezom ahwatna daa entay kigebru eyom, wa…adom zeyatwo.kab ms tramp ms esu yehshom.
      Eu…zelo elal…

      • Abraham H.

        ሰላም ሳራ: አንታይ ትብሊ፥ መን ‘ዮም ከምኡ ዘዕልሉ ዘለዉ፥ አቶም ጭፍራ ንሱ -ንሕና ድዮም፧ አዞም ሓሳዳት ‘ዶ ጽቡቕ ከይምነዩ ንሰቦም። አምበር አቶም ሰብናስ ካብ ዓዲ ገላዩ ኣብቲ ዘለዉዎ ይሕሾም፥ ካልአስ ይትረፍ ነብሶም አኳ ይውንኑ።

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatistas, the Eritrean dictator, in his bid to offend the youth, he admitted that the corrupt regime he is leading has nothing to offer them. He called them they are not producing anything, they are roaming the streets and spending whtever they get from remittances from the diaspora/ሓንቲ ከይሰርሑ ፈንጣሕጣሕ ይብሉ ኣለዉ

  • MS

    MarHab Saleh
    I had similar impression of the interview. I had no time, nor patience to watch it in its entirety. so I watched it jumping and bumping. Eritrea is a case study of the inefficiency of governments to run economies.

    • Paulos

      Selamat Muhamuday,

      Sometimes part of me wonders if the guy actually thinks he is doing the right thing where he is right and the rest of the world is getting it wrong. You get a rear-mirror glimpse of his rather hermetic world when he said for instance, the Western leaders as in France and Germany can never understand Eritrea where he went on to say that to the very least it will take them a life time if not never at all as if Eritrea is an exotic land far and in between. Or did he mean they can never understand him because of his refined and sublime state of mind. One wonders! Or would you say he still thinks the rest of the leaders of other nations had it easy when he had to “dedicate” great part of his life as in circa 50 years for the creation of a nation in his own image. Again one wonders! Please chip in your insight into his lane of thinking for you probably knew him up close and personal.

      • MS

        Selam Paulos
        By now, I’m sure very few will claim they know him, if at all. Let alone poor MS, people who thought they had known him for years did not fare better; they are languishing in undergrounds. For lack of time, I will just say that he’s been living in his own little bubble, and he has perfected it so well that venturing out would mean losing his essence.

  • GitSAtSE

    Selamat Tokhrir Fanti Ghana,

    I am failing to understand this new by Executive Order decree called the Spam rule which essentially treats the Media as the opposition party? take my endorsement of goat milk and Egusi of dried fishhead with Pounded yams or Garri over bull’sexcrement powered road ashphalt oven mogog’s injera that is consistently being censored? Please explain the canned spam diet? spam has no taste.
    tSAtSE

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat half-Tokhrir, therefore half-brother tSAtSE,

      I won’t even pretend I understand, but I felt the need to fortify my up vote with this non-statement.

      I am enjoying my nick next to Tokhrir!

      There is/was a small Tokhrir village at the corner of North-West of the Humera – UmHajer Bridge near the Sudanese border. Although the residents don’t really mingle or intermix with either residents, except for minimal business related temporary interaction, I was lucky enough to have a few friends.

      Most of the males were very good swimmers, and so was I. As far as they were concerned I was the “Habeshi” Lone Star who can swim across Tekeze in the winter along with them. That was how I gained their respect and friendship. So, you are invoking pleasant memories of my teenage years.

      Thank you.

      • GitSAtSE

        Selamat Tokhrir Fanti Ghana,

        My birthplace and early age neighborhood was predominantly Tokhrir. I once was sent to their Dukan to purchase a box of matches. On my way back to our hut which was several kanshelows north, I decided to lean against a denkeb fence or wall and strike one of the matches. Suddenly, I saw several Tokhrirs reprimanding me with intense looks and shaking of their heads. It was as of they were telling me that I was the devils own.
        We had a migrant from Humera in our town. A rather odd looking pen back then, with a flattened elongated top for the purposes of opening letters was lost during recess. Quite a few had seen that pen and knew who it belonged to. The owner frantically was searching for it. Until our new school mate from Humera was proudly displaying it. When confronted by the multitude, he simply kept on saying Agnieya iye agnieya iye. Non of us knew what that word meant. But the poor chap’s nick name became Agnieya from that moment on UNTIL,

        I saw all the Kanshelows and huts of the Tokhrir burn one after another and fast approaching our very own kanshelow and hut. Packed up and piggiebacked left my Tokhrir neighborhood burning to the ground…. Oh yeah my town is only but a stone throws away from Humera and Um Hajer. We however swam in TurAA when it was not dry and later the Nile.
        A Tekeze swimmer! So how did you get your Fanti Ghana nick?
        tSAtSE

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello my half-brother, half-Tokhrir, chronic arsonist, and super artist tSAtSE,

          Brother Nitricc had the same question almost three years ago.

          Why Fanti Ghana

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Fanti Ghana.

            The law of attractions. The Tokhrir are the Fanti. You will be a master because you belong here, oh your majesty of Katwe, the pioneer Mutesi and last king of scotland-not of Ghana and Uganda…..

            tSAtSE

  • Abi

    Hi Saay
    Thanks for your effort so that we the underprivileged non Tigrigna speaking learn or unlearn something new every new year.

    I read an article in ጦቢያ magazine in the nineties where Eritrea was shooting to become Singapore. This particular article after discussing the Eritrean economy in detail came up with a conclusion that drove most Eritreans l know crazy. This is what it said
    ” ኤርትራ ሁለት አይነት ሞት ይጠብቃታል:: አንዱ ከኢትዮጵያ ተገንጥላ በኢኮኖሚ መሞት፣ ወይም ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ተመልሳ በፖለቲካ መሞት::
    In short the writer was arguing Eritrean can’t survive by itself.
    The same magazine precisely predicted the two countries would go to war.
    Guys, let me put my bulletproof vest and helmet before you start throwing whatever is in your hand or mine at me.

    • Thomas

      Hi Abi,

      You are just an expert in annoying people:) Where did you get the training and now you know I am your brother help me, how did you learn how to annoy people like me??

      • Abi

        Hi Thomas
        Are you annoyed by me or the situations unfolding in your face?
        If it is me or the author of the article I mentioned, bring your A+ argument and show me how Eritrean economy can thrive and survive and going forward. . If you are annoyed by the situation, at least, I’m safe. Would you be annoyed if you hear it from Saay or Berhe or any individual who read the article? The point is not who said it at all. Argue the merits.

        • Thomas

          Hi Abi,

          What can I say? None of the people you mentioned would have predicted or said what you wrote, ” ኤርትራ ሁለት አይነት ሞት ይጠብቃታል:: አንዱ ከኢትዮጵያ ተገንጥላ በኢኮኖሚ መሞት፣ ወይም ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ተመልሳ በፖለቲካ መሞት::” You could say that it wasn’t you who said it first, but it is you who thinks it is real and even dared to use it for an argument….

          • Abi

            Hi Thomas
            As I have said it is not my idea.
            Of course it takes a genius to predict this at that Singaporish time. I don’t think Saay and Berhe would say those kind of things. Saay was busy at Dehai and Berhe was busy making dollars.
            Unfortunately Eritrean elites love to conform to whatever Atse Isu says.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi,

            Two birds with one stone they say, “Saay was busy at Dehai and Berhe was busy making dollars”. You see that is why we love. Never been serious about what you say here:) Issayas is from Adwa and he would have loved you if could take him back though:)

          • Abi

            Hi Thomas
            We are playing “Tom and Jerry” .
            If you already knew IA is an Ethiopian and secretly working for Mama Ethiopia, why are you surprised by the ጦብያ article I mentioned?
            You should expect the worst if your claim is true. Next you will tell me IA himself wrote the article.
            Take it easy.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi,

            We are as confused as you are, brother man:)

          • kazanchis

            Hi Tom,
            Isias isn’t Ethiopian in any form or shape. So embrace him as your own and stop this argumentum ad hominum fallacy trap. Mama Ethiopia has enough problems at hand already and Isaias would be an awful lot of a problem, so keep it with you as long as you want, thank you!

          • Thomas

            Hi Kazanchis,

            Even Meles at one of his interviews admitted that Issayas has relatives in Adwa. Look, everything Issayas does is against the will of Eritreans, who do you think would turn against his won like what he has been doing for the past 15 years? All his actions like forcing our youth to migrate to Tigray and the rest of Ethiopia, jailing our former heroes, our journalists who just tried to expose him being put into jails across the country, igniting wars without approvals or the knowledge of citizens and handing our islands such as Henish to Yemen and you name them……………

          • kazanchis

            Hi Tom,

            All these crimes he has been doing under the watch of Eritrean people, if I’ll have to be honest with you. All of his lame decisions has been executed by Eritreans. A single individual without the mass support or acceptance, i should say, can not inflict such a mammoth damage to a country. It is unheard of.
            One day he won’t be there but his apostles will remain for decades to come, unfortunately. It is an ideology of his that has turned the golden prospect of Eritrea into an absolute nightmare. I still see many Eritreans regard him as sacred entity, he could be from Adwa and that merely mean not much. Meles also had the same issue, but you wouldn’t find many in Ethiopia’s opposition label him as Eritrean. My brother, fear for the ideology of the man and the aftermath than the irrelevant identity background.

          • Thomas

            Hi Kazanchis,

            You have a convincing argument that it is not the identity but his ideology that matters most. Yes, it is irrelevant whether he is from Adwa or anywhere else. The fact he was leading the independence struggle has blinded us and we give our absolute trust to someone we barely know. By we, I meant to say the civilians who never had to carry guns.

          • Abi

            Hi Tom
            You have been told many bedtime stories as to how Jigna IA liberated the mountains and the towns from the man eating Amharas.
            Now you have picture carrying zombies who worship him.
            ቅዱስ ኢሳይያስ!!

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Thomas, how are you?
            Dear our fathers used to say እግዚአብሔር ንክቐጽዖ ዝደለየ ህዝብስ ልበ ደንዳና ንጉስ ይህቦ ክብሉ ነሰመወዖም ኔርና። ልበደንዳና ማለት ጨካን ማለት ኢዩ።
            In English if God wants to punish a nation gives it an arogant cruel leader. For this reason I think the Eritrean people have to do some soul-searching (come to thier sence) because blaming IA for the last 25 years at the minimum didn’t solve anything and I don’t think it will do in the future also.
            Even though Abi is naughty (this is brotherly) his quote from ጦቢያ is worth considering.
            Thanks.

          • Abi

            Hi G Gebru
            ልበ ደንዳና ጨካኝ አይደለም:: ልበ ደንዳና ሩህሩህ ነው:: ልበ ቢስ ( ፈሪ) ነው ጨካኝ::
            ጥላውን የማያምን ፈሳም እንደ መንግሥቱና ኢሳይያስ

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Abibouk,

      Now that the supreme court judge will be a highlander from Mile High unitary state Colorado, we aught to adopt John Denver’s song as EmbatSion United Abesha Emirates with Sixteen Emires. As Saay has now translated for us the Six administration zones are to be cut by half to three (III) a Vertical distribution, where the Northern Sea Coast will solidify their cross border alliance under a Khalifa of their choice, the Western lowlands will reconstruct Bejastand under Ali-Beja-SheAb as the Khalifa and the Highlands under EzgiMsana Agizianwaian Promised mdri Tigrai-Tigrigni neguse.
      And Pilar X’ EmbatSion UAE with Sixteen Emires will have a national anthem
      “This land is your land from Gambela to the Huniesh Islands”
      tSAtSE

      • Thomas

        Hi Tsatse,

        Lekawis metsi’an deyen lomi? hahaha

    • sara

      Dear ato abi,
      100%100% you are right, and thanks for being honest.
      You should know I always up vote you about all what you think and write about Eritrea and eritreans.
      Keep coming ato Abi

      • Abi

        Hi sara
        Thanks for the coffee.

        • sara

          ato Abi,
          I wish you were near where I live, betelhem is visiting this month my neighbor friend and would have invited you join us for coffee (organic) ceremony.
          Guess the organic coffee is coming from!

          • Abi

            Hi sara
            It must be from Mendefera. 😜
            ታጥቦ የተቀሸረ አንደኛ ደረጃ ሲዳሞ!!!
            The best quality for you.

    • kazanchis

      Hi Abi,

      Ethiopian here… I believe Eritrea can thrive economically with creative leadership and conducive environment for private investors and so on. I don’t think ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ተመልሳ በፖለቲካ መሞት is beneficial for both Eritrea and Ethiopia. So that door is slam shut for once and for all. 🙂

  • GitSAtSE

    Selamat Saay7,

    This is very boring. As boring as the Aagazians article. Perhaps have Mr, Fukuyama Paulos start to write articles. You have the Tokhrir issues, a Rebel Cali and now Paulos Simba’s uncle. Well then allow mm Daily quote for the day. Mate in III moves:
    The presidency is supposed to age the president, not the public!” The reason Trump was so “exhausting,” he continued, is that “every instinct and fiber of my pathological self-regard calls me to abuse of power.” John D.

    Pillar VII plus IIIthrees
    tSAtSE

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Pillar X = VII plus III,

      Why did the Romans not have a zero?

      1) “I, Donald J. Lincoln Kennedy Trump III do pronounce America now finally has an official language.” No, it’s not English. “The new official language of the United States is bullshit.” As Trump, he declared that he has instructed his staff to “speak only in bullshit,” adding, “None of that, ‘Sure, I’ll speak bullshit at work, but at home I’ll use facts and real information.’ No. Bullshit all the time. Immersion—it’s the only way to be fluent.”
      2) Trump, hereby direct that, to secure our border, China shall immediately and without hesitation send us their wall. Done
      3) Colonel Sergi Mikhilov and Fareed Zakaria on Copa del Mundo en Rusia
      on GpVII performance:
      “Iraq – zero, Iran -zero, Syria – zero, Yemen – zero, Libya – zero, Somalia – zero, Sudan — zero,” Zakaria said.
      tSAtSE

  • Abraham H.

    Selamat Saay, thanks a lot for summarizing the otherwise long and boring interview from DIA. It is all about admitting abysmal performance in almost every aspect of the country, but without any consequence to the “all-knowing and responsible” dictator. The dictator admitted, in some areas, the situation has even deteriorated. One thing that drew my attention was that he shied away from mentioning the mining sector as usual. It would not be exaggeration if we say this sector is actually the main source of hard currency to the regime. I think it should be clear by now to anyone that the mining sector is a private enterprise of the dictator.

  • Paulos

    Selamat Saay,

    Cool stuff. For real. You strike me as a person particularly in this article who is called to translate Tigrinya to Tigrinya in an interview between two people who are both fluent in Tigrinya. Weird stuff eh? Well no-brainer here for we are either reading Garcia Marquez or watching David Lynch movies as in Twin Peaks. Certainly you’re the only guy with a caliber of Rotten-Tomatoes who can review and dissect a magical-realism of The President Of The State Of Eritrea. Again well done!

    P.S. This was actually the second time (in 2016 interview as well) he mentioned Fukuyama and Huntington where he called them Felasfatat. Funny.

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Paulos,

      this pledging to fukuyama flagstuf thin your peaking as a fast tracker is akin to not a dry fish head but a fish eye. As you know the official language has always bulls eye and bull’s excrement and the fish does not sleep nor blink its eye.. Fukuyama you eyeFish.
      tSAtSE

      • Paulos

        Selamat Tsatse,

        For some reason everytime I read your comments, I feel like I am seeing a fish ridding a bike.

        • GitSAtSE

          Selamat Paulos,

          Is this your fukuyama power display.
          tSAtSE

        • Berhe Y

          Hey Paulos,

          Don’t mind tSAtSE,

          IA is his baliga I think. Every time a series stuff is writtin to expose him, he jumps up and down with his weird suppose to be sense of humor and ruin the discussion and will plaster it day and night.

          He will actually say nothing about the subject matter, nothing at all.

          tSAtSE please prove me wrong. It really hurts to see, that after saay spends considerable amount of time and energy to write this and educate us on the danger the country is heading, not only for a year or so but for the past almost 17 years…and he has never being wrong…..

          I feel you don’t like it that, he mentioned his son is heading to be a successor and I trust that you will never want to believe it. You have so much faith in your baliga…but sad to disappoint you, that’s the reality we are heading…

          Saay, what can I say…you are the chosen one.

          Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selamat Berhe,

            We all are characters on the screen with a myriad of persuasions including in politics as well. As you have aptly put it, in a sober moment and reflections we need to avoid temptations that could drift us from the issue of the day when the article at hand doesn’t come by easily on a light road.

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Paulos,

            Kubo! So the issue of the day is helped by saying “cool stuff” dude! Soon we shall know who sells their souls to…
            tSAtSE

          • GitSAtSE

            MerHaba Berhe Yemane,

            I suppose if I have a baliga then you are truly the original member and founding father of the Agazians. You see, I can prove this. Where is eyeShut these days? On the subject matter for me to say anything and prove you: Saay7’s on the same toppic a decade ago where “Afeworki shunned and the Eritreans sighed” was worthwhile reading. This is boring boring boring… Fukuyamaaammaaa it all man!
            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Selam tSatSE,

            there are 14 comments in the article and and 7 are yours, sometime you respond to your own comments..and you have not said anything on the subject matter except you labeled it boring…

            If boring, give it a rest and leave it alone.

            Anyway, I said enough…

            Berhe

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Berhe Yemane,

            VII all I have to say. The United Arab Emirates consists of VII. And the United Abesha Emirates shall now consist of VII * II + II. Notice the II more are not in the old parenthesis and the “Distributive” property Saay7 mentions in the article does not apply to net 16 Emirs for EmbatSion Pillar X + III UAE or my now 16 comments.

            So Dear berhe_yeman, would you please tell us what the value of this article is other than yours and paulos’ “bAwet zazimkayo tsiHufka” or “cool stuf” by you and Fukuyama eyeShut respectively. What value does it add other than what Abi’s “kulu mott iyu” Pissimism for the forum where as the Eritreans are exhibiting cowardice. Do you want to know why? Because “you reap what you sow”

            So stop following DIA’s official Eritrean language of Kubo/Bullshizt and tell us the pertinent points and value from the current article to have you guys bzzzing again?

            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Selam tSAtSe,

            I know you know exactly why you don’t like the article. Because as far as Eritrean is concerned it’s the news of the year. There is nothing bigger and better than hearing the interview of the Eritrean owner in chief IA talking about his plans for this new year.

            If you are saying this is boring stuff…I mean exposing him is boring for his disaster plans of the past 17 years and continue to be…for coming years and when his son takes over…

            what else is there to talk about…

            Berhe

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat berhe_yeman,

            Well, there was plenty to talk about which I had jotted in abstractions to be clarified later. But, for some reason whether it is cowardice of the Eritrean kind or a must strict adherence to an Executive Order they are calling the SPAM rule they have tagged and bagged it as SPAM and wont let it see the light of day.
            So I beg to differ, but YOU DO NOT KNOW (and remember your aversion to capital letters sentences a while back..) why I don’t like the article. First of all I did not say I do not like it. I said it was boring. And the only reason you responded is to defend SaayVII “the chosen one” and iSEM/Paulos/Fukuyama/eyeShut.

            Has anyone in this open and free forum mentioned the Six people murdered and Eight injured in Quebec? Or the Tokhrir from Hausa Nigeria and the secessionist Biafra Ibo and an ancient clock with VII visible lanterns deep inside the caves of Skull and Bone Elites in 1.5 hour increment symbols you are failing to connect.

            Would you please say something about the Vertical distribution of these new Eritrean administration zones Saay7 is speaking about now. What do you think of them? Did I not tell Amde there will be 14 or 15 Emirs in the new UAE weeks ago before this interview? Did I now mention perhaps The Crow MaHmuday the EPLFite will be the Emir of the Northern Red Sea Coast? And now all they DIA has added is Ali Salim as an Emir and the 16th Emirate of Bejastan. As for the Highlands or Debub, it has been secured from long long ago with the Heir Emir Abraham Afeworki. And Saay7 has made it official as to him being groomed. AH II — II first leaked it by virtue of his name and last initial being close to I.

            They have finally succeeded in muzzling everyone to accept it by stating “what else is there to talk about?” I hate to break it to you, the Oracle told Neo “But you are not the one.” You have not ever spoken anything my dear berhe yeman but fought tooth and nail for the preservation of the Agazian’s nation by advocating for the old Seraye, Akeleguzai, Hamasien Administration as if Eritrea and the geo-politico-Economics are to remain static. Well our spokes person Saay7 and lots more is telling you the trend of reduction from Nine to Eight to Six and now to Three is for the eventual reunification with TPLF/Weyane Ethnic Federalism of a 16 Emir United Abesha Emirates solely for the benefit of those positioned at the top like Abraham Isayas.

            It was all along the same plan designed by the elite victors. And self interest will hold the Unitary Center of the Tigrigna Elite in Mekele or Axum, Adua or Himbriti Asmara.

            Sounds like fiction? then why are all the electricity alternate current high wires atop utility poles constructed all the way to the demarcation line borders and abruptly staring northward? Ask Amde? Please.. An do respond to my requests by saying more without trying to muzzle me by bringing up the Tokhrir and what have you and trying to defend your eyeShut Buddy and Saay7. There are things that you personally are not privy too. We have a BIT by BIT (Black Institute of Technology) where after taking the aggregate through summation and integration do in fact yield the Bytes of Mai NfHi and a MenFeeetletr filter. This is to say, May NfHi is not holding water. Mayy aykonen AAmuikhu wey ChebiTu zelo. Rather it is pumping BITS.
            Are you now “Lost In Translation”?
            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear tSaTSE,

            Yes I am completely lost. What a loss that in this day and age, with all the reading and writing education that we have achieved, our generation has squandered a real opportunity to lift our country from the remains of the war when we got our independence to something beyond imagination. Now we don’t even have any dream left, except hatew qetew.

            Did you actually think 25 years after our independence that we have to read this about the state of our country being.

            This agazien, who ever crap that they are, they should do something if they care about their people. Leave the Tigray people alone, they are doing something good for their people, they are building hospitals, universities, factories, industries, what ever else that they can. They will not join your crazy idea to oblivion in a million years. You are on a sucide mission go right ahead.

            If they really care about their people, they should start by saving their people from the suffering and death they are going through everyday, in the senai deserts, in the Mediterranean Sea and ither places.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            Where is Semere Andom? Any idea?
            Believe me this question has nothing to do with self determination Unless he is the captain of the Agazian submarine.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Thanks for reminding to check on my friend iSem. I haven’t talked to him for a while, we were suppose to get together during the holidays.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe my friend
            So you need a reminder to check on a friend?
            I hope he is fine.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You are correct, ezgi azerabeka.

            I just spoke him and he is fine and doing fine.

            he is just taking a break…

            berhe

          • Blue Asmara

            Selam Berhe Y. How simple you can say ‘leave the Tigray people alone for they are doing something good for their people’ while the the TPLF/Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land. Do you draw a distinction between Tigray people and the TPLF?

          • Salam Blue Eritrean,

            Why shouldn’t eritrea develop the remaining 99.999% of the eritrean land until she gets back the 0.001%. Is it right to enslave eritrea, the land and it’s people, for the sake of 180 sq. miles of a godforsaken piece of land, as it is often called by many. This shows that some eritreans do not want the people to see the real problem, which is the injustice incurred on the people by one man and his system. How much injustice must the people made to accept for the sake of badme, before someone comes to tell them that beyond a piece of land there is one important thing, which is their life and the life of their children, and of course the future. The level of injustice is equivalent to the level to which regime supporters have forced the eritrean people to accept injustice without complaint. Otherwise they would have been able to face their nemesis up to now.

            In Ethiopia the eprdf/tplf government never had a free ride, much more today than ever. It is walking over hot coal, and it has no choice but to correct its ways, if it wants to be relevant. If some people on both sides stop to stand with authoritarian regimes and choose the people, then the process of democratization would have been much easier and quicker for both countries.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon. I believe that it is just a little bit more complicated. Not to give justification to President Isaias for indefinite Sawa, lack of judiciary system, etc; but in as long as Ethiopia does not withdraw from Eritrean land, there will be need for Eritrea to have troops mounted on the border; this having a dramatic impact on development efforts for the rest of the country. One must remember that Ethiopia has over recent years launched provocative offenses on Eritrean border positions. It is easy to say that Eritrea should consider the illegally held land as insignificant and move on but on the same line, why does Ethiopia not take the high road and withdraw from Eritrean territory, especially since Ethiopians keep saying that Badme is insignificant..

          • Selam Blue Asmara,

            If ethiopia refuses to withdraw and eritrea reciprocates by maintaining the present status quo, where do you think that it will take both countries? The cost-benefit for eritrea seems to tip more to the negative side than for ethiopia. Is it possible to sustain the status quo as it is forever?
            It might look naive but, suppose that eritrea declares to the world community (the UN, EU, AU and others), that it is withdrawing the bulk of its armed forces from the border area by 50 km to the interior, or ethiopia does the same thing, so that both armies do not have direct contact, and people in the border area are allowed to continue their normal everyday life, do you think that ethiopia or eritrea will dare to attack the other? Don’t you think that both governments are exploiting the situation for political reasons mainly to stay in power? We should not take for granted what each government tells us for propaganda reasons concerning the situation at the borders.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon.. If status quo is maintained it points to a most dismal future for both countries: Eritrea will continue to be an isolated quagmire, and rightly or wrongly, be seen as a rogue state while Ethiopia’s import requirements, given its burgeoning population, especially its humanitarian needs, will certainly be unable to be met without the use of Eritrea’s ports. In regards to backing away from the border, simply doesn’t make sense in that Ethiopia is already illegally occupying Eritrean land. In such case, in that Ethiopia is currently abrogating the EEBC border ruling and therefore its border definition, what would Ethiopia consider as the border? Again, it is clearly in the hands of Ethiopia and not Eritrea to take the high moral road and to withdraw from Eritrean land. If Ethiopia does that, President Isaias’s days will indeed be numbered.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Blue Asmara, “If Ethiopia does that, President Isaias’s days will indeed be numbered.” I think it is quite naive to say the above, please remember we are dealing with people who almost worship the dictator as their god-the Snu-Nhnas, and they would never turn their back to him come what may.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abraham and thanks for your view. You could be right. But my opinion is that he would quickly loose his support base as he would no longer be able to credibly justify most of the countries’ population remaining on ‘war footing’.

          • Abraham H.

            Hello Blue Asmara, thanks for your reply; I must aslo say that I appreciate your cool way of engagement with the forumers here, though some of us may be a bit harsh in the way we communicate. To come to our point, I believe Isayas is here to stay for years to come, even if by any chance the border is to be demarcated. He has built a solid power base starting from the armed struggle era, and through the past 25 years. From his recent interview, what we understand is that he is even planning to further strengthen his power-grip, through systematic re-organization of his regime. There are even rumors as cited by the author here that the dictator is grooming his son for possible future leadership role at the helm of the PFDJ power hierarchy. Unfortuantely, for the people, unseating Isayas is not going to be an easy task.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abraham H.

            Well said and I second your praise of BA.

            I just want to comment on your last sentence “Unfortuantely, for the people, unseating Isayas is not going to be an easy task.”

            Let me ask you, and I am looking at from practical point of view. Do you think a series thought have been put forward how to unseat him from his power. I don’t mean akeba bAwet tezazimu but to weaken his system, with only one aim and that’s to unseat him.

            If not in practice but at least in paper, a strategy, a manifesto, a blue print, a plan?????

            I think that’s what’s missing and I wish if we all (the AT members) cheap in our ideas how that can be done, just brain storming without asking if possible or not or doable or not but at least gather ideas,….

            like road to Damascus….

            Berhe

          • Blue Asmara

            Thanks Abraham H for your kind comments. I believe that the issue of Eritrea’s Governance and the issue of Badme, giving respect to process of proper analysis, needs to be treated separately. As a stand-alone issue, irrespective of who is Governing Eritrea, it is vividly clear that in terms of the Border Commission ruling, that Ethiopia has blatantly refused to follow the Rule of Law.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Horizon: I also wanted to say that I believe that it unreasonable to expect ANY country that is being illegally occupied to really concentrate on a development agenda. Ethiopia’s refusal to withdraw from Badme simply lends pallid justification to a bad Eritrean dictatorship.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blue Asmara,

            It is better if you would demarcate your AXX first. The talk of demarcation has been going since 2001. Where are we know and why don’t you ask DIA about the demarcation you are concerned about? He will tell you about the virtual demarcation a done deal. The are to many countries with an resolved border and economically doing great, have you ever thought about thinking outside of what is discussed in Eri-TV. Men!, you are so boring!!

          • Abi

            Hi Tomi
            I feel your frustration my brother. This person is brainwashed just like the generation before him. Eri Tv, Radio wegahta, bedtime stories,…
            Takes at least couple of generations to dislodge whatever is inculcated in the brain

          • Thomas

            Hi Abi,

            You are right about the brainwashed guy, Blue Asmara. He is right about asmara’s color choice, the blue. She has become blue as the sky is, with the absence of her youth lighting the sky with the boom fireworks and the dreamed happiness, wishes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abi. I always appreciate comments comming from somebody with so much in-depth knowledge of the subject matter. You must have lived for several decades in Eritrea

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Thomas. Thanks your kind and respectable remarks. Please enlighten me what other countries that fought a bloody war, entered into a cease fire agreement in favor of a UN Border Commission process, with both Heads of State signing a final and binding decision agreement, only to have one Head of State renege on the agreement while his country continues to illegally occupy the other, that are doing economically great?

          • Thomas

            Hi Blue Asmara,

            There lots of countries but if I answer your question entirely, I will be missing the major problem my country is facing. That the dictatorial regime sitting in my country is the cause for all the major problems my people are going through. You see the solution to our problem will remain inside out. You have no control about the choice of other nations say. If you did, it is 16 years after the Badme war you are referring to. Issayas does not want the border to be resolved, period!! The same way he does not want our constitutions to be implemented. Start find solution for the tragic problem from inside out. You are just wasting our time and I think you should have figured this out yourself if you were ready to save lives (our youth mainly!!)

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Thomas and thanks for your comments. However, I am convinced that ‘one’ albeit remotely possible solution does involve talking the issue of Badme. I understand your frustration with President Isaias but hardly believe that he does not wish the border to be resolved.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Blue Asmara,
            There are three options to the border issue saga:
            1-Get the Weyanes out of the areas ruled Eritrean by force. This option is a dumb one, as we never know its outcome, which could be disastrous. Besides, there is no use of trying to get territories by force, the fate of which has been settled through internationally recognized ruling. Also even if the areas were to be recovered by force, there is no guarantee for a lasting peace without dialogue between the two sides.
            2-Sit with the Weyanes and try to hammer out an agreement regarding the implementation of the demarcation, esp. with regards to the difficult issue of villages that would otherwise be dissected in half if the ruling were to be implemented as is.
            3-Wait it out until the regime of the Weyanes crumbles from internal strife-a scenario that may never happen in the foreseable future. In the meantime use the border issue to justify an indefinite state of emmergency and adminster the country as a police state. This is what has been happening so far in Eritrea by the Isayas regime with devastating consequences to the Eritrean people.
            So Blue Asmara, which of the above options seems sound?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Blue Asmara,

            Yes I draw distinction between TPLF and Tigray people, the same way I draw distinction between EPLF and Eritrean people, the same way I draw distinction between Republican party and the American people.

            My comment was if you read it in context it, it has nothing to say or do with the boarder issue. I think it was in response to the Agazian project (I doubt there is such project) which tries to separate Tigray from Ethiopia and have them joined Eritrea and create I don’t know what’s called Agazian…so I was saying leave the Tigray people alone, they are doing great thank you very much. And for those Agazian who suppose to care for the Eritrean people “FUTURE” why don’t they help them elevate in the current miserable situation they are in.

            As to the boarder, I don’t think the cost for Eritrea and Ethiopia is the same if the status quo continues. Ethiopia have managed to grow it’s economy and find ways to prosper without depending on Eritrea ports and I don’t see they will have any problems going forward. True the Northern part of Ethiopia would probably be served better from Massawa but I think that’s a small amount of price the current Ethiopian government is willing to pay.

            On the same token, I think Eritrea could thrive without the border being demarcated if the Eritrean government desire was to help the Eritrean people. I don’t even think IA would have to be removed if he allows the people to live their lives like any normal people.

            The problem with Isayas is, he declared war on the Eritrean people. It’s like a coward husband beats up his wife and children because he was upset at work by his boss.

            That’s what he is, just a coward bully, who beats up the defenseless Eritrean people.

            The Eritrean people like any other people if Ethiopia invade they know what to do and how to defense their country, they don’t need to be tied in a rope to defend their country. If anything he is making the country vulnerable by forcing the youth/ those who can defend to leave and defect the country. He is emptying the country on purpose so that he can stay in power and make sure as time pass, that Eritrean’s forget that there is such thing as called freedom.

            Berhe

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Berhe Y and thanks for your kind answer.

          • Millennium

            HI Blue Asmara:

            You are right, the illegal occupation of badme symbolises an existential threat to the state of Eritrea. I also believe this occupation is not about badme alone.

  • blink

    Dear Saay

    Thanks sir , we need you man , Eritreans need people like you especially now , did you remember the ups and downs with the American ambsssador (at the time of border war ) , your passion and every thing. We are being choped by every talkatives and crazy people yet here we have people like you who give us hope that same day we will will have our time. Same times i feel i do not need to read ,listen about Eritrea and yet i could not do that .The man is simply sick , he is actually very sick that he thinks he is the smartest on every field *bad* luck. The man needs big mirror to be sure very very big mirror .

  • sara

    Dear saay,
    very good analytical criticism or shall we call it rebuttal ,thanks-you made me understand better what the president was saying about the “objective situation” of the country and what to expect going forward for the coming 4 years up-to 2021.

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Fighter planes belonging to the United Arab Emirates air force based in Assab, Eritrea, has killed Idris Redyo, and wounded…

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