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TPLF Anniversary Celebrations Looks Ahead To Regional Integration

On Wednesday (February 18, 2015) all roads in Ethiopia seemed to lead to one spot – the newly constructed Stadium in Mekele city, Capital of the Tigray Regional State in the northern part of the country.

Since dawn, residents flocked to the 60,000-capacity stadium which soon was packed to the full. Outside the stadium, millions participate in the several events befitting the 40th anniversary of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF).

Inside the stadium, the TPLF chairman Abbay Woldu was busy receiving dignitaries and they came in droves too.

Ethiopian President Mulatu Teshome, Ethiopian Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, Sudanese President Omar Hassan Al-Bashir, President of Somalia Hassan Sheikh Mahmoud, Prime Minister of Uganda Rohokan Rojownda, and Prime Minister of Rwanda Bernard Makoza attended the event.

The Chairperson of the African Union Commission Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma was also among the dignitaries attending the 40th TPLF anniversary.

Forty years ago, 11 men having seven rifles took to the woods to start the fight against Africa’s most armed force, the army of the Marxist Dergue regime, and it grew rapidly in a popular struggle. And 17 years down the line, the struggle that began in such a humble, but most determined way, mustered millions across the country leading to the downfall of the Dergue regime.

The coats the dignitaries wore and the coverlet (a piece of cloth combatants used to wear while fighting) they put around their necks evoked the mood of the early days of fighting. Everything else however changed for the better, including the very stadium that serves a venue which is the result of 24-years of peace achieved after the downfall of the Dergue regime.

And the coverlet was reminiscent of the struggle not only in Ethiopia but also farther north by Eritrean combatants, who unfortunately could not reap the results of their bitter struggle. Now not more than a necktie, the quilt served to wrap dead combatants with during the armed struggle, and it is known throughout the region including farther north and as far as people in Yemen.

…Renaissance is very imminent in Ethiopia to date,” said Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, the Chairperson of the African Union Commission in her address to the joyous gathering.

Renaissance is there for all of us to see,” she said.

Regional integration

But the tone and mood of the celebration by far and large was forward-looking. It projects for not only a prosperous and unified nation, but also an economically integrated region.

All the leaders of the region including the Somalian President and Djiboutian Prime Minister shed light on the practical activities being implemented towards that end and this same theme reverberated by all others. Ethiopia to date, it seems, has become a center stage where the regional agenda springs.

Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud said “enmity has come to an end and we would like to work in collaboration with Ethiopia. Ethiopia has contributed to realize a stable Somalia.”

Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir on his part said “we open a wide horizon for cooperation in all fields between our countries and we have shared goals in all fields.”

The economic integration between the two countries will be realized through network of infrastructure including roads, railways and electric power.”

Ugandan Prime Minister Ruhakana Rugunda picked up on this idea and said that “we should make use of our resource to realize regional integration as this is part of the plan of IGAD.”

Djiboutian Prime Minister Abdulkadir Mohamed “we will work to further intensify solidarity between the two people.”

The Mekelle-Tadjoura railway will contribute to integration of the two peoples,” he said.

President of Rwanda Paul Kagame said “we, Africans as some say cannot rely on ourselves but we could more than we can.”

Africa as a whole found Ethiopia as an important voice. Ethiopia contributes to peace and development through its peacekeepers and ideas, which Rwanda feels proud of,” he said.

TPLF began its armed struggle when a group 11 took it to the woods carrying seven rifles, and TPLF was founded at a place called Dedebit in the state in 1975.

After seventeen-year long guerrilla fighting, TPLF, sardonically called Woyane was able to oust the tenured Dergue military regime in 1991. The regime which was highly equipped with modern ammunition and able to mobilize nearly 500,000 army had been seemed hard to confront with. It has waged several military campaigns to demolish the small number of TPLF fighters.

After the downfall of the Dergue regime, TPLF and its affiliate parties formed stable transitional government that ruled the country from 1991-1995.

The alliance is called Ethiopian Peoples’ Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF).

Anniversary highlight

The highlights of the anniversary celebrations in the stadium were the recognition given to the early day’s combatants, dead or alive, as well as the people who appeared with framed photos of their sons and daughters sacrificed for the cause.

Eternal respect for them!

By: Mohammed Taha Tewekel, with additional reporting by Seleshi Tessema

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  • Abraham Hanibal

    The point in question is not whether or not federation is the right political system for Ethiopia. It is rather, about the fair representation of the people, in such a way that reflects the ethnic proportions of the country. We know the EPRDF is a coalition of four sister parties, but we also know the three member parties besides TPLF are nothing more than a rubber stamp, in an attempt to show legitimacy to the Ethiopian people. Real power is held by the Tigryans, by virtue of their military domination and might.

    You say “then election will be contested on secondary level contradictions such better deliverance in development and governance instead of a life and death fight for legitimacy”. Of course legitimacy is important,; if the governing body doesn’t have a legitimacy among the Ethiopian peoples, then it means the governing body doesn’t have a real mandate from the people to govern. Therefore, elections are contested on the issues you mentioned as well as, and most importantly, on true and clear representation of the people.

    • T. Kifle

      You are entitled to your opinion. It Hardly matters .I have no control over your perceptions. The military is there to defend the country not TPLF. the only defence line for TPLF is its ideals. If it fails, it would be because it abandon its central values. So let us agree to disagree and move on.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam T.Kifle,

    Though I have read the federal structure of the Ethiopian governance for self-learning and understanding the variety of federal governance, I have found an insight in your narration as to how many TPLF has seats in the “central federal parliament” and how many “portfolios” are occupied by TPLF in the executive body of the government. Second the 36 member of executive body of EPRDF shared equally from the four parties (9 each) is the defining factor who is governing the Ethiopian people. It reflects precisely that EPRDF is the governing body not TPLF. Third you also gave some lights on the formation of the states in the federal government of Ethiopia, that it isn’t strictly and distinctly ethnic federalism. Because most from the “80 ethnics” are grouped together to set a federal states that makes them distinct from the few states strictly made up of one ethnic. That is an eye opening for those of us who are debating without any clue to the details. Here I will admit that I have added few scoops to my knowledge about the Ethiopian federalism.

    Interestingly enough you are spot on, about the “Federal arrangement” of India, the biggest democratic country in the world. Actually the federal arrangement of Ethiopian governance is exactly a prototype of India in the formation of the states which is not distinctly ethnic federation but has somewhat a mixed appearance of Ethnic and non-ethnic structural units of administrative. In my opinion there is nothing that holds the coexistence of Ethiopian social groups who had a deep mistrust to each other than Federal arrangements. If the government opens to more competitive democratic process that doesn’t hinder the progress of economic development, it will be an exemplary to African countries who are suffering by ethic strives. It is good reading from you.

    regards,

    • Saleh Johar

      Amanuel and T. Kifle,
      It’s common to hear “India the biggest democracy.” How is that possible when India has not abolished the caste system, where people born to different castes do not bath at the same spot, on a natural river? On the Ganges river, the “untouchables” bath downstream and they are not allowed to sit side by side with the upper caste. Menial labor, like cleaning and sweeping is assigned to the lower caste. Even well educated people advertise on Newspapers for brides, identifying their caste, no inter-marriage. I read about that a lot but I was shocked the first time I visited India and witnessed it first hand. How on earth is India a democracy? To me it is a system worse than medieval feudal system.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Abu Saleh,

        If we agree democracy in any given time and space is relative, then there are certain democratic values that are being exercised by the federal government of the Indian people. Democracy has three vectors of democratic values (a) political (b) economic (c) social justice. India as all of us we know, the political process is democratic, because (a) it allows the Indian people to engage freely in the democratic process to elect their own leaders (b) It devolve the political and administrative power to the periphery (to the states) rather than keeping all the power to the central government (c) they allow the freedom of press (d) they allow freedom of expression to their citizen to air their grievance without infringement their rights by the government. Surely, India is still failed in the economic and social justice as you have stated in your comment. But, isn’t it the same problem generally with the western democracy like USA and others? Look that is why, I hold true to the concept of “relativism” and always kept my argument on the basis of “compare and contrast” on the “values of democracy” to each country who claimed they have democracy.

        Regards,.

        • Saleh Johar

          Emma,
          I understand the definition of democracy based on the “philosophy” of relativity, all the excuses that governments put to defend their system. However, for us to echo empty slogans is what I am objecting to. The main attributes of democracy is equality, not election, not freedom of expression, etc. In the Indian case, I have see how the lower caste lives in destitution, man-made destitution that is kept intact by the so-called Indian democracy. I am suggesting that we just say India, without attaching to it “the biggest democracy in the world” as a prefix or suffix. The Indian democracy is nothing more or less than any other, and I think it India is the biggest country that abuses democracy. It’s slavery down there though the have a different name for it: the case system.

          • Amde

            Saleh, Emma and T.Kifle

            I read all the postings and I am mystified by what people on this forum mean by democracy.

            This is the most common definition I find:
            “democracy. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.”

            To me it is clearly talking about political systems.

            It does not say anything about the social attributes of a society, nor about the the effectiveness of governance, or about the equality of social minor groups. Nothing else is guaranteed about what the societies that exercise “democracy” as a system of politics can expect.

            I would have thought that with us coming from traditions where power has been transferred and exercised via military means, this difference would have been glaringly evident.

            I find it best to contrast it against the the alternative forms such as theocracy, or monarchy. In other words where is the source for the legitimacy of those in power: Is it a theology(theocracy)? Inherited privilege (monarchy/aristocracy)? Economic dominance (oligarchy)?

            Just because India has a caste system does not mean its political system is not a democracy. Parties are put into power simply because people in the aggregate vote them in. Parties leave power because they accept the people don’t want them to stay. No more no less.

            Social equality is a value in itself, irrespective of whether the political system is democratic, monarchic or theocratic. I can very well visualize a theocratic political system where everyone is equal because the theological basis of the system requires it. A theological political system based on the teachings of Jesus could be setup to be a completely egalitarian society. That would perfectly satisfy the social equality value goal, without having anything to do with democracy. Keep in mind that the white people who fought against slavery in the US (the Quakers and such), believed their theological teachings required them to not only not own slaves, but in fact to eliminate slavery from America. The fact that it took civil war in a country with many decades of existing democratic political system just tells you that the political system could not resolve the social equality question and the issue had to resolved through the distinctly non-democratic method of war.

            I can also very perfectly visualize a democracy which entrenches social inequality. The aforementioned American experience is one. The Indian caste system is another. Both are societies where those who rule are put into place by the expressed will of the ordinary people.

            Saleh, from your framing about India, I’d reframe it to state “the Indian democratic political system has not ended the caste system, therefore it has failed as a tool to bring equality” To me that is an accurate statement to make without making a mockery of the regular voting Indians do to decide on their rulers.

            Amde

          • T. Kifle

            Dea Amde,

            I agree, democracy doesn’t necessarily reflect quality of life

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Amde,
            In politics, particularly in the type of informal public debate that we have in this forum, we should remember that perception is also important. Everything that is being explained about democracy and genocide is out there, google coughs out thousands of pages if one is interested.

            On Genocide: I just need to know what numbers qualify, it is an exercise to on our feet.
            On democracy: (Thanks T. Kifle) but I am not arguing against any of that. But describing India “the biggest democracy” every time India is mentioned gives the impression that it is the yardstick for the level of democracy anywhere. It is not. But that is what the ears hear. We can describe India in many ways, for example, the most congested democratic country, the biggest democracy with the fewest latrines in its cities, the biggest democracy with a big social gaps, etc. Why do we have to attach “antu” when we mention India and not other countries? We do not say the most technologically advanced Japan! Or, the biggest manufacturer China! Why is the attribute “the biggest democracy” almost part of India’s name?

            I would rather call it India, just like that without the the Amharic “antu” added to it 🙂 That is all I am objecting to.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            From what I understood “the biggest democracy” is attributed to the number of people who cast their votes in the election of “electoral democracy.” For example in the last national election in 2014, 814.5 million eligible voters have casted their votes in the election. Therefore, I don’t think it has any other meaning beyond that.

          • Saleh Johar

            What if we agree on the following: “India, the country with the biggest number of voters”? I can live with that. But then, wouldn’t that be equivalent to say “the most populated country”? 🙂

          • Amde

            Ato Saleh,

            I think the “biggest democracy” phrase is simply an expression of the numbers involved. Doesn’t mean the best or most exemplary (it might actually be better than the current manifestation of the American system). There are more voters, and more votes cast than any other country whose political system is driven by periodic popular voting. The mechanics and logistics must be staggering to accomplish.

            My comment about the genocide was to make sure we are accurate in what we say and how we say it. My comments in this forum are generally done in a way that hopefully provides proper and honest historical perspectives. Neither the emperor nor the derg pursued counter insurgency in Eritrea with the intent of eliminating eritreans, but with the intent of protecting the Ethiopian state and sovereignity as they deemed it. The international legal definition is quite clear. But if you and other people wish to use the term and give it your interpretation who am I to say no. Even EPRDF has been rolling out the genocide charge against its political opponents, so the word has strong evocative power.

            There is this joke about a guy who couldn’t write but had to petition a court to get redress for some wrong. He goes to someone who is acclaimed for being great at preparing court submissions. He relates the facts of his case to the preparer who then writes it up real well with flowery language. Once he was done, the preparer reads off what he has written. The petitioner listens, then breaks into tears. The preparer was bewildered and asks “Are you all right? Is this not to your satisfaction?” The petitioner replies through his tears, “No . it is just that I did not know that I had been so wronged.” (in Amharic “ayee indezih mebedelen alaweqkum neber!!)

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Of course Amde, every system that commits genocide was equipped with a reason for doing it. Have you seen a system that commits genocide and lack a reasonforit? In Rwanda, Cambodia’s Khamer Rouge, German WW2–they all defended their actions. Haile Sellassie and Derg were protecting their regimes, of course they were–by committing genocide. sorry, I mean massacres 🙂

      • T. Kifle

        Dear SGJ,

        India, like they say, is !ncredible(note the inverted in Incredible: it’s their tourism gimmick). At a societal level, we see one of the most unfair relationships. In the earlier days cast played a bigger role in their social stratification. Their cast not only determines the entire division of labour among themselves, it has been and still is the source discrimination and of course the source of corrupt leaders who trade in the fringes of ethnicity and cast. For most part the states are ruled)with few exceptions) by corrupt chief ministers through family parties never inject outsiders and sometimes the parties are handed down to their heirs(blood) instead of following appropriate successions. So the cast system helped the leaders to rule comfortably. But because there are at least more than two parties in each state(more than 1500 nation wide by the way), indians have the option to change their rulers every 5 years. Inmost elections wining consecutive elections is almost impossible.

        The other point is, at the federal level, like many developing countries, the National Congress of India(NCI) had ruled the country except for few interruption like when the election resulted in hanging parliament caretaker administration would run it and one term by the Bharatiya Janata Party(BJP) from 1998-2004. The reason is the NCI projected itself as a party that brought about independence through the long haul peaceful disobedience lead by the Late Mahatma Gandhi. So the country was ruled almost by the Gandhi family(Nehru, daughter Indra, son-in-law Rajiv) except for the respite by BJP in the mentioned period above. There were many other names but their role was as fillers when something gone wrong with the election like failing to muster clear mandates as stipulated in the constitution. The last PM, Dr. Manmohan Singh was an aberration to the Gandhian because he belongs to the sikh community. He became a PM because Sonia Gandh refused to take the oath due to nation wide opposition of intellectuals and nationalist who thought it was a shame to have a PM with an Italian root.

        In 2014, a new electoral trend came in. The Indian voter gave a clear mandate to the BJP which contested the in a face of the current PM Narendera Modi like never seen before. Political bandits are the opinion that tha election shuttered all the cast, ethnicity and class barriers and they say India spoke in one word: Narendera Modi(they call it the Mode wave). He was a chief minister of Gujirat where the IMF happlily endorsed as a development model worth emulating all over india. Then Indians are hoping Narendera Modi would deliver provide them with jobs and narrow down the gap between the haves and the have nots and most importantly place India in the right orbit of development in a manner that fits China.

        Another point if though the country have more than 1500 political parties, at the national level we can talk of the above mentioned two parties. the remaining are state parties. NCI is widely believed to have represented the middle class and BJP the upper class. But following grand scale corruption saga called 2-G spectrum scam the entire nation was rocked by anti-corruption movemnt led by a humble guy called Ana Hazare. They conducted nation wide street demonstrations to create awareness among the public to the extent that he urged them not to vote for the political parties. He undergone through prolonged fasting and he was able to a difference, the entire nation grabbed the idea. But street demonstration couldn’t be a substitute for good governance, a new political party called AAP(Pary for the common man) emerged out of that movement and after two years it won 67 out of 70 seats in the state assembly;y of the apital: new Delhi in a highly contested election and conducted on Feb 7, 2015. This I think can happen only in India. This party totally swept the old grand parties and it is dubbed Kjriwal tsunami(which means even worst than the Modi wave)

        All happens in an orderly manner. No political party complain about the outcomes rather accept it with grace and the losers congratulate the victor. This I think is what democracy means. Indians have trust in their institutions and they are proud of themselves and any opposition that might want to look interference from the west is considered as un-nationalist and a disgrace for India.

        So the problems of cast and other stratification issues are slowly giving in to modern way of life.

    • Abraham Hanibal

      It is the “western democracies” who have coined the phrase “the biggest democracy in the world” as regards India. It is just a helping hand for India in its competition with China as regional power. It has almost nothing to do with the fact on the ground.

      Just for the sake of comparing the two countries: http://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/china.india/economy

  • Nitricc

    you are funny and deceptive. you are in power by force when that force saturates then you will see.

    the truth and the Facts

    Senior Command Posts

    1. Chief of Staff, General, Samora Yunus, Tigre
    2. Training Department, Lt. General Tadesse Worede, Tigre
    3. Logistics Department, Lt. General Geazi Abera, Tigre
    4. Military Intelligence Department, Brg. General Gebredela, Tigre
    5. Operations Department, Lt. General Gebre Egziabiher, Tigre
    6. Engineering Department, Lt. General Berhane Negash, Tigre
    7. Air force, Brg. General Mola Haile Mariam, Tigre

    Heads of the four commands

    1. Central Command, Lt. General AbebawTadesse, Agew
    2. Northern Command, Lt. General Seare Mekonnen, Tigre
    3. South Eastern Command, Maj. General Abraha W. Gabriel, Tigre
    4. Western Command, Brg. General Siyoum Hagos, Tigre

    Division Commands
    1. 31st DivisionCommander, Colonel Tsegaye Marx, Tigre
    2. 33rd Division Commander, Colonel Kidane, Tigre
    3. 35th Division Commander, Colonel Misganaw Alemu, Tigre
    4. 24th Division Commander, Colonel Work Aieynu, Tigre
    5. 22nd Division Commander, Colonel Dikul, Tigre
    6. 14th Division Commander, Colonel Woedi Antieru, Tigre
    7. 21st Divison Commander, Colonel Gueshi Gebre, Tigre
    8. 11th Division Commander, Colonel Workidu, Tigre
    9. 25th Division Commander, Colonel Tesfai Sahel, Tigre
    10. 20th Division Commander, Colonel, Teklai Klashin, Tigre
    11. 8th Mechanized Division, Colonel Jemal Mohamed, Tigre
    12. 4th Mechanized Division, Colonel Hintsaw Giorgis, Tigre

    • T. Kifle

      Hey Nitric,

      OK! et us test your dig if it carries the message you wanted to convey. Abinet I am doing this for a reason and bear with me just for this moment.
      1. The army leadership composition has nothing to do with the issue I discussed above. I am talking about a government and party structure and tried to show EPRDF is an umbrella of equals. I can’t blame you for you little dig because you have a country with no semblance of separation of powers and the requisite checks and balances.
      2. The list you posted here will put you to shame as this is a record that has been peddling all over the vitriolic diaspora element websites with the desire the stir the emotions of the gullible like yourself.
      3. In our army formation the command at each level comprises 4 people: the commander, the deputy commander for logistics, deputy commander for administration and finance, Deputy commander for Operations. each committee member is drawn, to the best of possibilities, from people with different ethnic mixes with the requisite rank. So you numbering here hardly shows the real mix of our army commanders.
      4. The other thing is from the list at least about 50% of them are retired and not in active services.
      Let me test your first group
      no.1 accepted
      no 2. retired before two years
      no.3 retired before 4 years
      no4. true
      no5. retired before 4 years
      no6. true
      no7. replaced since 1 1/2 years
      I can go on invalidating your lists one by one. Let me add the second group
      no1. retired since 1 1/2 years
      no2. replaced 1 1/2 years
      no3 true
      no4 replaced since the last 3 years

      I can name the people who are replaced in their place but that’s beyond call of duty. The matter is you are writing something you have no clue about.

      The other point is defence services are not for peoples representatives. Though EPRDF is the only entity I know of to envision in principle proportional representation at all formation levels it cannot cross fundamental military norms so it need time to mature. Now at the second row of the matrix, you will find the proper mix officers and Nitricc will have less issues to talk about

      Cheers

      • Nitricc

        TK the point was who is in the head and you are right there was a change but by whom were they replaced is the question. you just told us they were replaced or retired but since you did not say who was replaced by who. let me help you.

        I. The officers promoted from the rank of brigadier general to major general are:

        ✪ Brig. Gen. Mehari Zewdie (Tigrean)
        ✪ Brig. Gen. Hassan Ibrahim (Tigrean)
        ✪ Brig. Gen Melese Beleete (Tigrean)

        II. The officers promoted from the rank of colonel to brigadier general ase:

        1. Col.Yayne Seyoum (Tigrean)
        2. Col. Ataklti Berhe (Tigrean)
        3. Col. Fesseha Beyene (Tigrean)
        4. Col. Guesh Tsige (Tigrean)
        5. Col. Gebrekidan Gebremariam (Tigrean)
        6. Col. Maesho Hagos (Tigrean)
        7. Col. Gebru Gebremichael (Tigrean)
        8. Col. Mashesha Gebremichael (Tigrean)
        9. Col. Abreha Aregay (Tigrean)
        10. Col. Degife Bidi (Tigrean)

        11. Col. Askale Berhan (Tigrean)
        12. Col. Halefom Ejigu (Tigrean)
        13. Col. Abreha Tesfaye (Tigrean)
        14. Col. Mulu Germai (Tigrean)
        15. Col. Woldegabriel Babi (Tigrean)
        16. Col. Fesseha Kidanemariam (Tigrean)
        17. Col. Assefa Gebru (Tigrean)
        18. Col. Yemane Mulu (Tigrean)
        19. Col. Gebremedhin Fekadu (Tigrean)
        20. Col. Tarekegn Kashun (Tigrean)
        21. Col. Asrat Donoyro (mixed)
        22. Col. Tigabu Yilma (Tigrean)

        • operation sunset

          The point is in the head is the Generals of trenche converters of Gov.et the spinal cord breakers Of gov.et

          • selam

            You have hard time to forget your nightmare about the war .What is the thing that makes you reflect about war ? War is a distraction in ever way you look at it. It is a lose of life , wealth and every thing the bullet can offer. We know Eritreans for fact that we have lost so many young people. And we know also for the fact that we have won in the international court room.

            So can you write any point that can break the cycle. I mean it is not like lizard skin to know who is on the top of the Ethiopian military and Eritrean top military.

          • operation sunset

            War was not our 1st option the trenche diggers(nitiric) pushing us but those who are participating and paying their ultimate life on operation sunset because of their sacrifice today we celebrate our birthday Now the trenche diggers and the fenkil heroes they were think by their fenkil set of mind we shouldn’t be alive.The fenkil heroes where they are now I saw them when we convert the trenche. After that we kept them busy with teaching them the international low, international legal system and international arbitrary. This week we celebrate the 15 anniversary of the operation sunset. We need peace we need development… I tell you what our ultimate enemy is not the fenkil heroes our ultimate enemy is poverty. The near future inevitable war is not operations sunset just hit and back to base war proportionate war በጥፊ የመታህን በታንክ አትጨፈልቀውም war … About peace I would like to read SGJ . Haile the great the legendary Emma and slightly saay from side please about peace read T kifle and horizon

    • operation sunset

      Thank you for mentioning the heroic General of Gov.et really appreciate for the readers of this great website to remember them what they did. their historic sacrifice for today Gov.et Those Generals and colonels of The Gov.et they kicked out of hamasenai from their 1000 km trenches And they break hamasenai Spinal-cord ኢስኪ የነበረ ያውጋ ይላል ያገር ሰው as you mentioned number 1 Dear General Samora Mohammed yenus historic speech # hamasenai They are good at digging trenches and we agame are good at converting trenches into graves. They, too, know this. We know each other very well,# by the way as u mentioned all from 1 till what they said about your grave trenches I will post it

    • Guest

      number 2 General Tadese werede speaking in early 1999 with Weyn newspaper ##ሽዓቢያ 1000 ኪሎ ሜትር ምሽግ ሲቆፍር በጣም ነበር የተመቸን ለምን ወታዶሮቹ በግዳጅ የመጡ ስለሆነ ቆፈራ ጣርነቱን ሳንጀምረው ላት ላት እይላቸው እዛው ምሽግ ውስጥ በህይወታቸው ቀበርናቸውሽዓቢያ ኪሎ ሜትር ምሽግ ሲቆፍር በጣም ነበር የተመቸን ለምን ወታዶሮቹ በግዳጅ የመጡ ስለሆነ ቆፈራ ጣርነቱን ሳንጀምረው ላት ላት እይላቸው እዛው ምሽግ ውስጥ በህይወታቸው ቀበርናቸው…

    • operation sunset

      Number 2 General Tadese werede speaking in early 1999 with weyn newspaper #ሽዓቢያ ኪሎ ሜትር ምሽግ ሲቆፍር በጣም ነበር የተመቸን ለምን ወታዶሮቹ በግዳጅ የመጡ ስለሆነ ቆፈራ ጣርነቱን ሳንጀምረው ላት ላት እይላቸው እዛው ምሽግ ውስጥ በህይወታቸው ቀበርናቸው#

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear T.Kifle,

    Reading Eyob’s recent testimony of Addis and how Ethiopians living in Ethiopia see the elites outside Ethiopia (as clowns) and then your indepth analysis plus Amde’s analysis has now given me a consciousness of general Ethiopian political landscape.

    Thank you.
    tes

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam T. Kifle,
    .
    Thank you for this timely piece. In my humble opinion, the country is on a solid track and moving in the right direction. The diaspora “intellectual” class can type all the nonsense they want for their own exercise. Every year all our state institutions are getting stronger. I am more optimistic about the country than ever before in my life, and I have lived long enough.
    .
    The only thing that worries me occasionally is the cash awash corrupt neighbors and their influence for one and our too closeness to the U.S government. U.S is a fair weather friend. I only prey these potential nightmares are managed well and wont come to pass.
    .
    I hope you continue to shade light on these appropriate topics as you just did. Thanks again.
    .
    K.H

  • operation sunset

    Selam … A sovereign country leaders can declare war when they invaded by an aggressor… The late gov.et leader has said we will give time for negotiations if they don’t pull their foot from the disputed wereda.. We will defend our land by any means… And he did it… If the nitiric gov if they are waiting UN.AU.IGAD plus G7 or any one… they are not a government they are just go only… If they have sovereignty gut or if they have wear trousers they have to face the gov.et muscle not later… You have to paid what u did in 1998…

    • selam

      so you are saying ethiopia does not abide by rules .i do not think most agame people will say the same as you. They know what war is and what does it cost. Lets have logic , this is not a jungle.
      If not for the cover you have by the super powers and also our crazy leader , you would have saying another thing.

      • Abinet

        These people you Lovingly called “agame” led the war to kick your sorry behind while you were worshipping your president IA , while you gave him all the support he needed , while all of you eritreans ( except SGJ) marched behind him .
        Agame? Really? I like to think it is a slip of a finger.

        • selam

          Agame is just a place abinet do not take me wrong , i never intend to insult , i mean it.

  • selam

    Good for your understanding and i guess you have done your job good service. The facts are completely out side of your scope so , nothing to argue with you once you have baptized by TESGHAY BERHE AND ABAY WELDU.

    • operation sunset

      whenever you mentioned weyanay,weyn. Those two names above you mentioned is these people are voted for yes for the operation sunset. To go ahead and to buried the diggers

  • selam

    I guess Your god is not listening any way. We need to free our people from this so called god to come and intervene .It is quite misunderstanding of human nature.

  • selam
  • selam

    Hello All Eritreans in this forum posting about different things about Ethiopia
    I hope we get the chance to talk in person drinking cappuccino and other things that Asmera can offer.

    Can we all agree that , Ethiopia must give back what is ours (Badme)?

    is there any one from you who thinks the war that broke in 1998 helps HGDEF to hold us hostage and commit crime over us . I really do it helps to silence our voice, for example IA get chance to do that unless the out came should have different.

    • Hayat Adem

      Selam,
      When we flip the burger,
      1) you are saying unless we get Badume, we’ll be condemned to stay with HGDEF
      2) you are saying if we all Eritreans demand the handover of Badume now, the Ethiopian government will heed and do that
      3) you are saying if EPRDF hands over Badume to Eritrea, HGDEF will handover power to Eritreans
      4) You are saying Eritreans are supporting HGDEF and the only reason Eritreans are not saying enough to HGDEF is because Weyane has not left Badume.
      ——————————–
      Questions for you personally:
      1) Do you beleive HGDEF should go today, this afternoon?
      2) Do you believe the Ethiopians can be willing to give Badume before proper demarcation? If yes why and how? If demarcation has to be done, can it be done without the infrastructures required by the agreement?
      3) Do you support HGDEF because of the pending issue of Badume?
      4) Do you really believe Badume or the massive exodus of people is an urgent priority for Eritreans now?
      ———————————
      Contrasting realities:
      1) Badume or not Badume, HGDEF has overstayed their welcome time and they have to go.
      2) If there is any chance the Ethiopians can consider going to demarcation that leaves Badume within Eritrea, it is when Eritrea has non-HGDEF gov’t. There seems to be a zero chance under the existing circumstances.
      3) HGDEF has never said that. They are here to stay until forced. If change is possible only by force, there is no point in arguing making it after or before Badume.
      4) Eritreans used to give their full support to HIGDEF when Badume was still in the hands of Ethiopians. They are not asking for Badume to cross over to Eritrea, they are deciding to cross over to where Badume is as refugees,
      —————————–
      What if conditions:
      Ethiopia says no, HGDEF has no force to threaten or act on it; HGDEF has not good diplomatic posture or relationship to get it through good influence and negotiation,the international community has no apetite to put pressure on Ethiopia, and Ethiopia doesn’t mind to sustain the status quo.

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Selam,

      HGDEF does what HGDEF does because it is controlled by people who do not prioritize the interest of Eritrea and its people. War and Badme affect the behavior HGDEF may up to 5% (and I am being very generous). That is my opinion.

      Thanks,

      FS

      • selam

        Assum every thing is ok and HGDEF time is over .
        Will you fonte demand Badme back to eritrea

        • Fnote Selam

          Hello Selam,

          Yes. Even now! But Badme is the least of out priorities.

          Thanks,

          FS.

          • selam

            You have voted yes and 1 vote , for yes

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Selam,

            But, do you think Badme is acceptable excuse for PFDJ to act in a despicable way?

            Best,

            FS

          • selam

            No way , but they want it badly to continue their ugly work.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            Assume you asked me this same question. My initial instinctive answer was no, because of all those lives and property we lost by your Government’s miscalculations.
            .
            After a little reflection I say maybe yes maybe no. Wouldn’t you be curious to know what the maybe yes and the maybe no ambiguous answer is? We don’t want to do it all over again in a few years, don’t you agree?
            .
            Don’t you think it is better to talk it all out once and for all. I don’t have any inside information but I am pretty sure Badme town will be Eritrean territory. (if it was up to me I will give it to you tomorrow morning)
            After the talk if you don’t like anything, anything at all, the Ethiopian government has to say, then you come out of the meeting with no change to the status quo.
            .
            What is the specific down side to you about this meeting?
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            It is sovereign issue and i do not accept the term “may be ” .

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Selam:
      I think that PFDJ should bring back Badmen and not Ethiopia to give it back. Maybe they do not tell your or teach you but Badme was given to TPLF by EPLF

      • selam

        You are talking from ELF playing book and that times has passed. I am asking about the next time we all meet in asmera when HGDEF is gone and life is back to normal

    • operation sunset

      Please could you check what the hamasenawian were talking about the current government of Ethiopia in 1998 till now go and check before you belittling the gov.et… Bun alena hailie alena… Hamasenai must be a accounted what happens for this kind people in 1998

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear operation sunse,

        The other people should also be accounted for handing the 1998 case to the people that you are accusing of.

        Is that what your nickname stands for? Please extend it to the entire people so that one will accuse the other. The people that you are calling for accountability should also accuse the other people for missing their responsibility of letting them to go wild.

        tes

        • operation sunset

          Kbur haw tes
          according to the the EEBC nitirc is the aggressor of the international low they weren’t abiding the low to attack the disputed area they think the current gov.et will collapse the agame.et will surrender they were drunk by the independence… (Miscalculation self narrow minded) The international low never saying don’t talk… the international community when they assess the conflict the mother of all current problem is the nitiric.gov.er The only solution as Mugabe and his predecessors saying is sit and talk how to implement the verdict And not to change the verdict…whenever wherever when the issue of border raises we have to go back to 1998 not 2002…

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Hi Zemed;
    What kind of government we would have in Eritrea is purely the business of the Eritrean people. The Ethiopian government’s role, if it is civilized enough as many other nations, is to respect its international obligations and respect the sovereignty of the Eritrean people.

  • destaa

    Hi T. Kifle
    just to ask you a genuine question. Will Ethiopia ever have a democracy under EPRDF where TPLF is the dominant party? Will democracy not be a suicide for TPLF given the ethnic nature of our politics and the population percentage of each ethnic group?

    • selam

      Not possible because the political shape does not allow EPRDF to maintain power and have democracy in ethiopia. If they open their door to democracy they will lose as the last election .so they should bargain

      • destaa

        you know I sometimes wish if we have no election thing, like China and concentrate on development. In my view, it is easy to get legitimacy if you can fulfill basic needs to millions of Ethiopians.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear destaa,

          Just curious: Were you a member of the Derge regime who you later abandoned it for the sake of your safety? Waiting an honest response.

          tes

          • destaa

            Dear Tes,
            No I was not a member of Derg. I know only EPRDF government

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Tes,

            Thank you for the response. Then, take care from developing a mind of, “Anyone comes to the crown is our king” mind attitude.

            The problem with Ethiopian and Eritrean political terminology starts right from the terms we use for our governers. In Tigrigna and in Amharic: government is translated as, “መንግስቲ (mengsti)” “መንግስት (mengst)” respectively, the same but different in pronounciation. As the two contries are heavily influenced by Christian doctrine, መንግስቲ/ት is directly linked with the lord, god

            From Government – መንግስቲ/ት – we go to Government house: ቤተ መንግስቲ/ት and then through our deep consciousness, we figure it as if it iss መንግስቲ ኣምላኽ (house of lord). Just think about the British Kingdom.

            This deep and subconscious process leads us into a thinking that the government is “EVERYTHING”, “omnipresent”, “omnipotent”, “omniscient”.

            More than that, British has huge influence on the politics of both countries and we all know that British has a queen at the head and the parliament lives in the house of the lords and the members are the lords.

            This is within the mentality of Ethiopians and Eritreans. Within this word contemplation, we have two options – to follow the biblical influence of governance status or the British system of governance structure – where we put one figure head, the king, or we need to work out hard to come of this thinking. The challenge is not easy as it is deep within the culture of these people now but if continue to see the government as a governing power but selected from the people and is only a servant but not as that of lord-follower relationship.

            Meditation that was initiated right after I raised the question unto you. Penetration through the mind.

            tes

          • destaa

            Dear Tes,
            Thank you. Advice taken.

      • destaa

        Dear Selam
        As far as they are good in developing the country, building the railways(which I very much appreciate EPRDF for it), generating hydropower and others, I am happy with EPRDF and will prefer them for a peaceful country. And the leaders are aging, so not bad to compensate them with power, don’t u think?

        • selam

          One to two projects will never transform a large country like ethiopia . I wish and hope the Ethiopian people will aspire to have a vibrant democracy in the near future. Of course economic development is quite needed at this time but if you see carefully the ethiopian people also need economic democracy as you can see , the wealth is going to tigray and even in tigray it is given to some few elite and that is a bad fruit to eat.

          Taking china as an example is very bad recipe and i hope they do not follow china

          • Abel

            I am 100% sure you killing yourself with hatred and jealousy.

            The camel (Ethiopia) is marching at high speed while the toothless Shaebia dogs(Selam,Nitric,Abraham.Desta….) keep barking, that’s all they could do.

          • selam

            No i am not doing every thing you said and i differ to be Nitiric and any one .What i am saying , I hope the ethiopian people have what they need and that is economic , political and social democracy that is it.

    • T. Kifle

      Hi Destaa,

      I very much hope Ethiopia would be a democracy sooner or later. We might face goosebumps here and there but there is no other way round it. Obviously it is a long term process but EPRDF must set in the start gear on the right track. Are we closer to that at the moment? I am afraid we are not. There are intricate political undercurrents within the political elites and are reluctant to accept the legitimacy of the new order. That doesn’t necessary be popular but it’s backed by international actors and is making the consensus building process linger . Creating a common platform for the start is a must and we have miles to cover before we reach there.

      The other important point you raised is the ethnic federalism and its exclusivity with democracy. I am the opinion that the federal structure would perfectly serve as a launching pad for creating a greater common political, economic and social space which fosters democracy and Ethiopian nationalism. .

      As you correctly put it, development and bringing economic choices to Ethiopians will give us dividends and that corroborates our efforts of marching towards democracy.

      • Destaa

        Dear T. Kifle
        Thank you for your reply

      • Abinet

        Hi TK
        Since when you start reading my mind. You said democracy sooner than later. I hope you are right.

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hi Desta;

      If there is going to be REAL democracy in Ethiopia, which is based along ethnic lines like the system they’ve today; then it would be impossible for a minority ethnic group in Tigray to have the upper hand in elections. Because it is simply against the natural rule; a minority ethnic group with about 5 million population cannot rule and win over 100 million people with various majority ethnic groups.
      Therefore what you’ve today is something that looks like democracy, which is endorsed by the super powers of today simply because it satisfies their strategic interests, and guarded and enforced by the barrel of the gun.

      • selam

        The super powers will support TPLF as far as they keep doing what the corporate world told them to do. That being the order of this time, But if and only if the ethiopian people resistance grows and the west take notice then they will may be open for more democratic governance. The west does not care what the people of ethiopia needs. They just care about their interest. Take for example Egypt where a democratic elect government get thrown to prison and these who have guns hold on power still America have the courage to tell what is right and what is wrong. The same method is being applied to ethiopia.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Haw Abraham,

        Aside what the Eritrean politics say about the “Ethnic federation of Ethiopia”, EPRDF is an alliance of “four parties” that represent four regional blocks (the Amhara speaking people, the tigrigna speaking people, the Oromo speaking people, and the Somali speaking people). EPRDF is not TPLF, something either unknowingly or knowingly misrepresenting what EPRDF constitutes its body politics. There is no way TPLF to win “electoral seats” in the other federal states without the existing “permanent coalition” of the three parties with TPLF. Remember each party in its specific locality wins the required seats with the strategy of the alliance to dominate the seats as “EPRDF seats in the parliament”. So your argument TPLF dominate the “parliamentary seats” to win the prime ministerial leadership is totally out of truth. I don’t like to debate on Ethiopian politics, but you pulled me to reflect and explain the constituents or alliances of EPRDF party. EPRDF is the umbrella of four parties. So I hope this will help you to know the fact how the formation of EPRDF is. We are misleading the Eritrean people by equating EPRDF to TPLF. As a matter of fact the four parties are set up their strategy to win the geographic and community electoral votes.

        Regards,

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Haw Amanuel H.,

          You do not need to sweat so much to explain for me what EPRDF is composed of. This is a coalition that has been put together during the fight against the Derge, and it doesn’t reflect the realities and balance of power between the different ethnic groups in Ethiopia. The main driving force in the coalition is the TPLF, and it is only a tool of the TPLF to show that they’ve a political system based on ethnic representation. The member parties of the coalition are not REAL representants of the ethnic groups they claim to represent. Everything is based and enforced by the brute military power of the TPLF.

          I do not need a PFDJ or whatever playbook to have my own independent judgement. And I don’t know where you brought this from “So your argument TPLF dominate the “parliamentary seats” to win the prime ministerial leadership is totally out of truth.”, something I never stated in my comment. Please stop making up things and reading something unwritten.

          ንዓይ ዝገርመኒ በዓል ኣማኑአል ሕድራት፥ ሓያት ኣደም ዝኣመሰልኩም ኤርትራውያን ስርዓት ወያኔ ኣብ ዝንቀፈሉ እዋን፥ ካብቶም ኢትዮጵያውያን ንላዕሊ ክትጣበቑሉ ትርኣዩ። እንታይ ገደሸኩም፥ እዚ ኩሉ ምጉምባሕን መዓኮር ወያኔ ምስዓምን እንታይ ኣምጸኦ። ተግባራትኩም በዛ ምስላ ዓበይትና ክግለጽ ይከኣል፥ ንኣድጊ ዘይከበዶስ፥ ንጠይቂ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abraham,

            I think you don’t know what it means when you say “a minority ethnic group in Tigray to have the upper hand in elections.” How does the TPLF dominate in the election, which means in the parliamentary governmental election? Don’t you mean about the parliamentary seats and prime ministerial election? When you say the “upper hand in election”, which election are you talking about? other than the parliamentary election. Second I don’t quoted you. If I don’t quote you, it is my interpretation to the your phrase “upper hand in election.” Third if the ruling government is EPRDF the coalition of four parties, there is no need to infer as the TPLF government unless you want it for you own political-argument. I am not defending TPLF, I am just telling you the truth you don’t know, or the the truth you don’t want to be told.

            In any case read the tigrigna version of your comment how disrespectful you are. As our adage says Husur Nebsu hasirus Yeh’sereka kem zibehal, It just tells who you are. As a result I will not go to you muddy language. You are not worthy for engagement if you are disrespectful individual.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            How does the TPLF dominate in the election? By manipulations, deceptions, threats, alienations, by putting its agents in key positions, by rigging election results, and most importantly by using brute force.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear AH,

            Does it matter for you beyond knowledge how TPLF dominates power? I thought that you are much concerned about internal affairs of Eritrea but you are not. You want policizing Ethiopian matters. The paradox of Eritrean PFDJ influenced mindset (the Chauvinists) is that they want an absolute perfection of foreign politics. Portraying an imagined politics will not help us but inflict us.

            tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Tesfabirhan,
            What matters for me most, of course, is Eritrea’s internal affairs. But this forum is a discussion and debate forum on matters concerning mostly Eritrea and Ethiopia. Therefore, by the same token you’ve the rgiht to say your opinion on any subject, I’ve also that same right, and you do not need to call me chauvinist for expressing my views. Mr. Tesfabirhan, I kindly ask you to stop acting as if you own the discussion arena here at Awate forum.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear AH,

            Sorry, I don’t mean in that way. What I am saying is why we are interfering on Ethiopian affairs. If they have a dictator, let them have. Ethiopians are capable to solve their problems so do we. But yes, we can discuss matters that concern us, that can bissect the entra-country relationship.

            Sorry again if I behaved wrongly. My intention was not as you described. It is a kind of let Ethiopians do their home work.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            ማዕረ እቲ ንስኻ ብሓሶት ንኽትነቕፎም ዝገበረካ ተገዳስነት እንተተገደስናሲ ንምንታይ እዩ ገሪሙካን ነውሪ ኮይኑን? ሕራይ ንስኻ እንታይ ገደሽካ ኣብ ዘይንቀፍሉ ክትነቕፎም ትርከብ ኣለኻ? ሕጅስ አታ አማኑኤል ዝበላ ቅንዕቲ ሓቂ እያ፣ እንታይ ክትብል ደሊኻ። ንምንታይ ሓቂ ተስምዑኒ ኢልካ ዶ ረስኒ ኣሎ’ዩ?!
            “ማይኖርቲ” ክትብል ናይ ደናቁርቲ ዘረባ ደናቁርቲ ህግደፍ ደጊምካ ክትብል ዘይተሰከፍካስ ሓቂ ንምንታይ ነገርኩምኒ፣ “ኣሕሉፉኒ ክሕሱ” ኢልካ ዶ ነድሪ አሎ?

          • Nitricc

            Aman well said. they are what they are, lost souls. She thinks she can fool us, forget the stupid dedebit.
            i have a question though. what does mean

            “ንኣድጊ ዘይከበዶስ፥ ንጠይቂ”

            what is ” ንጠይቂ”

            I Got the ኣድጊ and ዘይከበዶስ but i could not even guess what it means the ንጠይቂ is.

            does it mean as inquirer but from the sentence it did not make sense. anyway i was just wondering.

          • Hayat Adem

            I am not surprised you knew ኣድጊ because everybody knows it is your signature. ጠይቂ is the cushion that is placed between the back of the donkey and the pack (load).

          • Abraham Hanibal

            It means roughly, what is not heavy for the donkey should not be heavy for the saddle, because obviously, both the load and the saddle are carried by the donkey. It is surprising to see these guys/Eritreans spending every effort and energy they have to defend the TPLF regime even more than the Ethiopians themselves.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ab:

            So are you saying that the coalition is just a rubber stamp for TPLF? Anyone who does not see the genius/genuine desire to make the thing called Ethiopia work after Dergi fell is either stupid or grossly steeped in some arrogance. It is simple configuration: After Degi fell, TPLF the force to reckon with that has become buoyed by the help it received from the Eritrean ghedli in return for the help it gave, with a flash of creativity/epiphany/genius decided that it has to compromise. And compromise, it did. EPRDF was born. Now transforming rebellious boys to statesmen is a long order. But TPLF gave it a shot. My own belief it is that in the closed doors TPLF has the upper hand, twisting arms, threatening, cajoling, intimidating to fulfill its long term agenda and establish the roots for long term stability. The people of Tigray has been at the receiving end of the brutality of the previous regimes like many other ethnic groups and I think that is fair to level the plain filed that was unfairly titled before. But I do not think that the rest members are mere stooges. And I say this when comparing apples to apples with EPLF, which had received the blessing of every Eritrean that could breathe and what did DIA do in his first speech: he went out of his way, he went beyond the call of duty to be uncompromising.

            Both TPLF and PFDJ must be measure not in delivering perfection but in genuiningly trying to make it better than before, EPLF made Eritrea worse than it has been under Dergi in every dimension, TPLF made Ethiopia better in many aspects. It is obvious that the victor will have the veto and I would be fine with that had PFDJ did what TPLF is doing in its country, it is in this light that we must deliver our appraisals

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Semere;
            The topic in question here is the EPRDF; we are not comparing and contrasting it with the PFDJ. You are saying the TPLF made Ethiopia better in many aspects; but I’m quite sure there are many Ethiopians living the rule of TPLF who do not agree with your take.

          • destaa

            Selam Semere
            do you read Amharic? The point is I accept EPRDF want it to lead more for the development it is bringing. The democracy thing is just a joke my friend. And please do not say, like Amanuel, no country has perfect democracy. Ethiopia is a country with no private tv up to now. I think our government is doing on that and hopefully, we will have them soon.I am really doubting your comments about Eritrea after now given your views on Ethiopia are far from the truth.
            And if you understand Amharic, tell me and will attach you links which I believe will inform you. Knowing better, being informed is good I think.

          • Semere Andom

            I never said Ethiopia is democratic country, only a full can say that. Please read my comments regarding Eritrea. I even wrote, My views for the dummies both on Eri Ghedli and Ethiopia.
            Simple. TPLF unlike their cousins in the north and at least gave its founds diginity, it made significant dent on lifting many Tigrayans from poverty. EPLF, does not even rememer it sounfders, unless they are serving it. Case in point, TPLF paid tribute to its foundders, including those who severed their connection with it almost 40 years ago, among them Ghiday Z, an Eritrean

          • operation sunset

            I tell you what These kind of mentality of hamasenai are the cause of your problem with the border… When you stop thinking about the gov et running by only one front party… Your bleeding never stopped… Ethiopia is running by EPRDF okay. You have lost your sovereign virginity by your own Narrow tibit so you have to paid the price…

        • Nitricc

          “EPRDF** is an alliance of “four parties” that represent four regional blocks (the Amhara speaking people, the tigrigna speaking people, the Oromo speaking people, and the Somali speaking people). EPRDF is not TPLF, something either unknowingly or knowingly misrepresenting what EPRDF constitute in its body politics.”

          Aman i think i am starting to understand your addiction to the Dedebit grad and your obsession to TPLF. shame on you my man. do you really think we are stupid? there no EPRDF; there is only TPLF. come on man. At this point i got to believe you have some hidden agenda. but what ever it is, respect people’s intelligent. there is no Amhara, there no Oromo and there no Somali speaking; there is only one entity and that is your beloved TPLF. deal with it.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
          .
          Minor correction, I think the four blocks are Amhara, Oromo, Tigrai and Southern nations and nationalities. The current prime minister, as you might know is from this last block. I hope EPRDF listens to you and admit the large Somali state as members of the party.
          .
          Thanks for noticing the reality though, even though some have it for TPLF.
          .
          K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim Hanna,

            Doesn’t the southern nations and nationalities include the southern Ethiopian Somalis? Actually that was my assumption.

          • Hayat Adem

            K.H is right. Somali, Gambela, Afar, Gumuz and Harari are not EPRDF proper regions. I wonder if T Kifle or Amde or even Emma can confirm or tell us more on this but I was told the reason why EPRDF reach-out doesn’t include these regions is because thet are populated with people of less class stratification and that is not compatible with EPRDF’s revolutionary democracy.

        • selam

          The least you know about current Ethiopian politics makes it very difficult for any one to argue with you Ema.

        • Amde

          Selam Amanuel,

          I think you are a generation older than me and there is a lot I learn from you and appreciate about you.

          On this topic however, I have to say I don’t agree with you. In my opinion, you are wrong descriptively, and worse, you are wrong prescriptively. I myself am a typical Addis person, of mixed parents, I travel back and forth a lot. I have relatives in a number of regions. So you can take what I am saying with that context.

          I believe Abraham is quite right when he says that an ethnically organized political system with an ethnic minority on top cannot be a democracy as we understand it in the west. Democracy is a brutal numbers game. The current Ethiopian system is not a democracy. It is indeed a federation of sorts. The fact that it is not a democracy is self evident in many ways but for sure the most glaring one is that the one body that is supposed to represent the full spectrum of the diversity of all Ethiopian people, the Federal parliament’s House has only one member that is not a member of the EPRDF or its allied parties. To put it in quantifiable terms, that is 1 out of 546 seats. In percentage terms, that is 0.018%.

          The picture is pretty much the same in the regional assemblies, even including Tigray, where former TPLF heroes were not able to get legislative foothold, let alone executive/administrative positions. The local EPRDF affiliates control all or virtually all legislative and executive functions. You and I live in the US, and as you very well know, every election from the local dog catcher to President are contested. The major parties control/compose some aspect of some legislative and executive function in every jurisdictional level. That is absolutely not the case in Ethiopia.

          This tells you that Ethiopian politics is neither a democracy, and not even a parliamentary politics, but basically an EPRDF affair. That also means that politics for the average Ethiopian is not a right as a citizen, but a privilege of being a member of the EPRDF.

          So what then is EPRDF? It is certainly true EPRDF was originally a federation of unequals. As everyone knows, it was a political vehicle to allow TPLF to advance outside of Tigray and to take over Ethiopian state power. For good or bad this has worked out to where we are now. EPRDF I believe is run as THE state. It officially refers to itself NOT as the “governing party” (it used to call itself “gezhi party”) but uses the term “awra party”, a term that is best translated as “the Prime” or “Dominant.” The amharic term for the Queen bee in a beehive is “awra”, and that is the exact analogy that is used here.

          The best analogy for the EPRDF of today are the paternalistic state
          parties of Communist China, Singapore and South Korea during their
          military rule. There was a quid pro quo between their population and
          their respective regimes. The people were OK with limited political
          options as long as
          the regime brought some semblance of economic progress.
          Politics within the EPRDF is opaque. Officially it is composed of the four parties, but rumors of factional alignments and fights that cross these ethnic party lines is what goes for political news I personally think it is a wonderful thing – God forbid that day to day politics is also prescribed and limited by one’s ethnic heritage. It is also a direct result of the fact that politics is an internal EPRDF affair. In a normal diverse legislature, these kinds of tactical alignments and disagreements etc will have been normal fodder for daily political news as we see them, rather than rumors.

          Nobody in Ethiopia believes the current system is democratic. Most people – rightly or wrongly – especially non-Tigrayans, believe that the TPLF has final say in what happens in the country. There is an election coming up in May, and nobody I know cares as everyone believes it is an empty exercise to confirm 5 mo’ years of putting people into meaningless seats. As Abinet said it, bichawun yerote mashenefu ayqerim. TPLF has come to power however it did, and for most people, what is important is what it did with the power it took.

          Personally, I think it is important to place the EPRDF administration (please note I said administration rather than party) within the context of Ethiopian political tradition of a paternalistic one party state. The Emperor’s system was one built around Shewan elite, but which exercised elite co-option of other groups through political marriages, titles posts etc. The EPRDF system cannot offer political marriages (that I know of haha), but it was built around Tigrayan elites, and does in fact do quite a lot to identify talent early and incorporate it into its party system from many other groups. In that sense it has the potential to stay head of the system for many years to come. This is evident right now in how it is transitioning into a new generation of leaders who joined it after it came into power.

          The point though is that for the average Ethiopian, a paternalistic opaque one-party state that has imposed itself by force and rules the land is within our political tradition. This one (EPRDF) is different
          in that it has brought a level of peace and economic change – through a combination of competence and luck – that many people appreciate even knowing its warts. This is why it is an exercise in futility for some
          (especially Eritreans) who think it is all going to blow in a bang.

          The risk of such a closed system is that it will tend to stop being responsive to actual people’s needs if it is a self sustaining entity driven by members that keep self-selecting their type for political ambitions and/or administrative competence and essentially nothing else. HaileSellasie’s regime finally fell due to being finally out of touch with the people – even after accomplishing so much as the progressive Prince. The Derg was quick to implement what it saw were demands popularized from the student movement – things like land reform, literacy, language liberalization etc.. – and yet filled with self selected and appointed people, it was finally too far from the people.

          This is where elections come in. If you ask people in Ethiopia, there are many that tell you that the botched outcome of the 2005 elections was the kick in the pants that forced EPRDF to aggressively pursue economic growth. It is a shame EPRDF will not allow another open election like that for many more cycles yet.

          The reason it won’t is the fundamental structural problem of the ethnic federation where a minority is in the politically dominant position. There is simply no incentive for them to do so. And worse, there is simply no plausible way, in an ethnic political system, they will have an electoral path back to political dominance. The current system is a bad trap for a TPLF dominated Tigray. It was designed with the intention of addressing ethnic diversity within the political system – unfortunately it was an exercise in maximization of one issue rather than of optimization of many issues. You can take that as just my jaundiced opinion, but I am sure I will be proven by the meaningless outcomes of the elections of this year and five years hence.

          I have to tell you how much I appreciated T. Kifle saying below “I very much hope Ethiopia would be a democracy sooner or later. We might face goosebumps here and there but there is no other way round it.
          Obviously it is a long term process but EPRDF must set in the start gear on the right track. Are we closer to that at the moment? I am afraid we are not.” I hope it reflects some beginning of serious thought on this issue within EPRDF in general and the TPLF specifically.

          For now, the system is grudgingly accepted by most as an acceptable trade off of comparatively competent governance for closing off the “democracy” agenda for the future.

          Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Amde Really good. You are now bring Awate forum back to its standard to the delight of Abinet and the rest of us. Thank you.

          • Abinet

            Hayat
            I’m really delighted to read Amdes comment.
            Do you remember about a year ago when YG visited awate land? I miss those days.

          • Hayat Adem

            I do. I had a mood then to roll a red carpet of elation. I have been harbouring an unexpressed feeling of un-fulfillment by Awate that they didn’t do something to get more of him or at least revisit us to help keep all working brains fed and engaged,

          • Abinet

            The problem I see is almost all the major issues have been discussed again and again. Let us hope YG comes back along with all the great minds we all dearly miss. Sometimes I read a comment and I say
            ” sew Tira bilut erasu meTa”

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Amde
            You are bringing me out of my “people to people” theme. I didn’t want to inject politics, governments’ policies and/or border issues. It was a heartfelt message to the Tigray people who are celebrating the occasion, and byway of that, I wanted to remind Eritreans who shared similar experiences and expenses during the fight against the brutal regime of Mengistu a people to people reach is indispensable in reducing lost opportunities and direct costs for this and future generations. I am sure you didn’t read it (ኣንተ የ ኣማራ ልጅ! ትግረ ማወቅ ኣለብህ)
            Anyway, the forum deserves such a mature deliberation, thank you for that.
            So, here is the truth-bound citizens’ word in relation to your analysis:
            The area most of our esteemed debaters are seized with is unfortunately undoable by the sheer of exchanging heated debates. For the border issue to settle, Ethiopia would have to accept it as was signed. That did not happen, and there is no hope it will happen assuming the statuesque in both capitals doesn’t change, which if it changes, it will require one party using force against the other and installing a government that’s basically a clientele of the installer. That’s is the costly way of solving the conflict. And my message was to warn against this attitudes and currents. The second practical way would be in the presence of two willing partners, where as both governments have publicly stated the EEBC ruling gets implemented through the inclusion of societies along the virtually demarcated border line. If I have to guess, that’s what will finally happen. I personally hope that happens, because the alternative is another cycle of slaughter where the young will have to pay dearly and mothers go through this repetitious cycle of mourning.
            Now, to come to your points, had we have an independent media and a formidable middle class and a vibrant intelligentsia, people’s of both countries would have long pressured their elected officials to end this senseless LIMBO. The lack of a truly democratic gains in Ethiopia, and an openly totalitarian government in Asmara have made this pragmatic thinking a wishful thinking. That’s why I repeatedly called on both people’s to abandon their respective politicians’ version of narration and commit to the alternative ways of building bridges.
            So, I like your straight talk and TK modest acceptance of the reality. Such an honest assessments advance the trust between Ethio-Eritrean debaters.

          • Amde

            Dear Mahmud,

            Well thank you for your appreciation. I don’t know who told you I am Amhara, but anyhow I have always wanted to learn Ge’ez, and I assume that would place me close enough to know Tigre. As you know, Ge’ez is holy language, so I am sure it is disrespectful to use it for secular purposes. But I am sure I can learn to rap in Tigre…. haha…. Well one of these days….

            I wasn’t really writing abut the border issue. If you had noticed, I had asked a hypothetical question to Tes below if he would be OK with closing the border chapter if Ethiopia were to say they would consider this matter closed at the current lines they hold (in essence make the de-facto into de-jure), and invite Eritrea back into the regional community. I believe all the Eritrean respondents have said no to that, and that they believe the border issue is currently irrelevant as far as the issues faced by Eritreans are concerned anyway, so I left it there.

            People-to-people relations can work to resolve the border impasse I suppose, but it will be a long time and rather circuitous. There could be quite a number that might agree that Badme should be given back and this chapter closed. I honestly don’t know of any Ethiopian who is willing to spend time and effort lobbying with the common people and among the powers that be to allow the demarcation to go forward. I would frankly be astonished to be honest with you.

            The main problem is that the Eritrean side has no evident meaningful quid for such a quo. What benefit will TPLF get for getting Tigrayans removed from lands they have lived on for generations to hand it over to Eritrea? What will TPLF say to the army that bled and died to take the land back, and protected it for almost 15 years now? “They promised to be grateful and be good neighbors.” does not sound very convincing if you have to tell someone in the Irob district to choose between moving off their ancestral land or being Eritrean.

            The other possible option as I see it, is compulsion by the world community to adhere to international law etc… That path might work if there is real leverage. But the timing is just not right. Libya is shattered. So is Yemen. Somalia is unresolved and still iffy. I don’t see things changing for the better in a year, or three, or five. In this context, a government that keeps things stable in the largest country in the region is not something one will push around.

            So that is how I see it. Nothing will happen on that front in the foreseeable future from the Ethiopian side simply because it has nothing to gain, and only headaches and political black eyes.

            That was why I thought it is probably best to at least think of it as a dead issue, assume the worst outcome (current lines) as the realistic scenario, and move on. Setting “Badme” aside for a moment – I am actually not sure just how much land will have ended up being transferred net-net if everyone goes through the demarcation. To be honest the other Eritreans have convinced me the border issue is irrelevant as far as the PFDJ regime goes.

            Still, the people-to-people approach is important because there are still many things we have to confront and resolve yet. I will drink to that.

            Amde

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear amde
            The border stuff is frankly boring, it could only be done by two willing governments. It’s stuck us in circular motion and as you said where there is no encouraging signs, I don’t see either governments to make a move. Personally, practical benefits of its closure are more important to me than its symbolic significance. The current impasse will have only one result and that’s condemning us to being perpetually Kashmir-like confrontation which would surely hurt both peoples.
            The Amara thing was a joke, hopefully you took it that way.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Amde,

            Well argued and in fact I gave you my vote. My argument with Abraham wasn’t about democracy, it was about who is the ruling party in Ethiopia. Because it is often said the TPLF government by us, Eritreans, and I was trying to explain the reality on the ground. Keep in mind with the current governmental structure, TPLF without making alliance with other compatible parties that represent other Ethiopian social group couldn’t win the needed seats in the parliament. They knew a “regional party” can’t win the needed seats to hold power of the government. As to whether the “ethnic federation” is the right governmental structure for the Ethiopian diversity or not, though I might have my own opinion to it, I would like to leave it to the Ethiopian people.

            As to the issue of democracy it is all relative and is governed by many factors. Most of the time in the debate between Ethiopian and Eritreans we always tended to compare between the governments. And of course relatively there are clear political infra-structures in one of them and none in the other. The Ethiopians at least have a constitution to govern with, and enable them for due process to let the rule of law to take its own course. There is a democratic process in Ethiopia, however rudimentary it is. Is Ethiopia a democratic state? I wouldn’t say yes, because even countries who spent over 200 hundred years in a democratic experiments, do not have real democracy. Look USA, and you know how the Gore/Bush presidential election is decided. You also know how the “vote suppression against minorities” was in the last election, and is still going in the same trajection for the upcoming election. So democracy is always relative, and yes USA is more democratic than Ethiopia. And Ethiopia is more democratic than Eritrea of today. That is fact. Eritrea doesn’t have even “election with irregularities” like that of Ethiopia we all crying foul about it. For Ethiopia the political infra-structure is there, they must fight to be workable with fair election. So don’t take my argument as Ethiopia has fulfilled all the democratic process that makes it democratic. Absolutely not. It wasn’t even my intention to evaluate the democratic nature of Ethiopia.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            What democratic process you are talking about? There is none. EFRDF is running against its shadow. The first thing EFRDF did was create twin ethnic political parties for almost all existing ones . For example if there is Gurage democratic Hibret, EFRDF creates Gurage democratic Ginbar. That is how it cleared those parties who formed the transitional government from the parliament. The rest is history.
            That is why I try to ignore democracy and focus only on poverty reduction.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abinet,

            I don’t really want to debate on Ethiopian politics. It is an Ethiopian business. One thing for sure to tell you though, there is no real democratic practice in the world. All we are saying is a relative talk. By the way what is democracy? Is there any country in the world on real democratic experiment exercising all the democratic values? if yes which country? If no then what is your argument; other than starting with the basics , lying the needed infra-structure of democratic process, and exercising even with irregularities until you improve as you go forward. The worst you could do is, exercise it even by try and error. If you are going to focus on poverty, that in itself is a bigger project than democracy. I will give you my thumbs up.

          • Abinet

            Getaw
            Minew eprdfn amed afash aderegkew?

          • Amde

            Lij Abinet,

            enema Ihadeg liyameseginegn meslogn 🙂
            bizu temesginual…temogisual
            yeqerewun degmo parlama kasgeban (indecherinetu) inmeriqiletalen

            Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abiye,

            Addis was good. I said hi to it for you. A bit chaotic…a bit expensive… Do you know where people hang out now? Burayu….There is an Airplane restaurant there… 🙂 I was amused by it… I have a whole lot of report for you….;-$

          • destaa

            Dear Eyob
            Wel come. I missed your exchanges with saay7. They are the primary reasons for me to visit this website. And regarding your comment here, this is what I got from facebook.
            አንድ ወር ሃገር ቤት መጥቶ ሽር ብትን ብትንትን ብሎ የተመለሰ ወዳጄን….. “እንዴት ነበር ሁሉ ነገር ?”ብዬ የዛሬ ሁለት ሳምንት ጠየኩት…
            ጀመረ!
            “ተበላ..ተበላ… እንደጉድ ተበላ… ፒፕሉ ይበላል አይገልጸውም!!! መጠጡን ተወው……የመጨረሻ ነው የሚቀመቀመው…ዋልያ ይቀመቀማል!!…. ለምግብ እስከ 150 ብር ታወጣለህ…. ፒፕሉ ግን ጢም ነው!!…. ተበ…..ላ ይሄ ክትፎ!!…ጥብስ ፍርፍር!!
            ቺ….ኮቹ አረ ቺ….ክቹ:: ፒፕሉ ቢዝነስ…ቢዝነስ ነው!!”

            “የት የት ሄድክ?” ብዬ ጥያቄ አስከተልኩ
            ቀጠለ
            “ቦሌ ማማስ ኪችን…ኩኩ እየዘፈነች ነበር:: አንድ እምትገርም ለስላሳ እንግሊዝኛ የምትዘፍን ልጅ አለች….. ናዝሬት ምናምን ሄድን…ቺኮቹ…..ስቶኮልም.. ክለብ ኢሉዥን… ክለብ ኤች.ቱ. ኦ….. ሮሚና ጥብስ ፍርፍራቸው አሪፍ ነው…. ፒፕሉ በግፊያ ነው የሚበላው”

            **እዛ ላይበላ ነው እንዴ??..ላይጠጣ ነው እንዴ??

            The diaspora never seem to scrutinize the sensitiveness of unrepresentative and deviant sampling even on their own perception about life, living standard and cost of living in Ethiopia just by wandering around hot-spots for which they probably had no the privilege and exposure to experience before moving abroad. such reflections have always been distorted, misguiding and marginalizing the majority.

            ይልቅ ጁነዲን ሳዶ ትዝ አለኝ (አለ ግን እሱ ሰውዬ??)
            አንድ ጥናቱን በዚህ ትዝብት ላይ የሰራ ሰው የተናገረው ነው:: ሰውዬው! እዚህ ካለህ “እኔ ነኝ ታሪኩን ከፈረሱ አፍ ያገኝሁት” በለን

            ጁነዲን ከትልልቅ ባለስልጣናት ጋር ያወጋል
            “ኑሮ ግን እሳት ሆኑዋል…አለብዛኛው ኑሮ አልገፋ ያለ ነው” ሰውየው ጠየቀ

            “ዋጋ ቢጨምርም ህዝቡ ግን ይበላል…ቀላል ይበላል…. ፓርላማ ፊት ለፊት ያሉት ስጋ ቤቶች ብትሄድ ህዝቡ ቀይ ከጮማ እያማረጠ ነው የሚበላው::…… ለመሆኑ ከዱባይ የሚገቡትን እቃዎች አይታችሁዋል?…. የቤት እቃ? ህዝቡ ከዱባይ..ከ..ዱ…ባ…ይ እያስጫነ ነው የሚጠቀመው!!
            ህዝቡ ተመችቶታል!!!”

            ባለስልጣኖቹን እንኩዋን አንከስም::
            ዳያስፖራ ግን ቃተኛ በልተህ…. ኢሉዥን ቀምቅመህ…. ቦሌን አስሰህ አስሰህ ስትመጣ……የሽሮሜዳ ልጆችን…. የግምጃ ቤት ማርያምን ገበሬዎች ጭምር ወክለህ ባታወራ እናመሰግንሃለን::

            እኛ ነን

          • Eyob Medhane

            Desta,

            That’s a bit much to take… I didn’t go to club H20 or stokholm. I am not a clubbing type and I went there with my son and a buisness so I didn’t have much time to explore…. Addis has expanded a lot, and of course you get to see the poverty, through many of its streets…I can tell you conconfidently, though it is nottnot as bad as it used to be. there are not as many tre siga shops around parliament as there used to be these days. There is a new construction site around there as the new parliament is getting built….people are hopeful and not as political as you think….they just try to make it through life…the locals make fun of the diaspora a lot…and we are their clown…we seem to be little understanding of their life..and they seem to be expecting too little of us….In Arat kilo Jolly bar is still there…and the area beyond Minilik high school is largely owned by Ethiopian Orthodox Church…Addis has expanded a lot than most of can imagine…the land marks of tharthat area…the ArbegnnArbegnoch hawilt on Arat kilo and sidist kilo are under renovation. YeKatit 12 hospital is adding more buildings to become a medical college..
            I will come back with more, if you ate interested. .

          • destaa

            Selam Eyob,
            Thank you for your response. I replied with the above one as I thought it goes with what you raised and informs our beloved awtistas about the other side of the story. And I will be happy to hear your full report.
            Otherwise, I am happy to hear you are back. very much enjoy your posts here in Awate

          • Amde

            Eyob,

            I heard this recently. An Ethiopian diaspora lady was visiting in Ethiopia. She finds out that however she dresses, or talks or behaves, people immediately spot her as being a diaspora.

            So one day she asks one gentlemen, “what is it about us that you can spot us out so quickly? I am really curious to know.

            The man responds… “Ay inante diaporawoch beqelalu tastawuqalachihu. hulu gize ‘kerfe…f’ tilalachihu”

            I personally found a proof of this when I went to some government office, and silly me, I was being polite and waiting my turn to get something done. The official chastised ME… for not jumping the line haha.

            Amde

          • Abinet

            Eyobe
            You know what was at Burayu? Nothing! There were some ” Siga betoch along the road . People used to go there to buy fire wood not to hangout. There was practically nothing once you passed Winget high school.
            I’m happy by the way things are going.
            Between me and you, was Haile TG with you? He has been AWOL for a while.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Thank you Amde. You helped me to see the second box designed by PMMZ.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear MI,

    Just a reminder, Eritrea will come again as the center of gravity. For that, just keep an eye on the trend to follow soon. I am not underestimating, but I am telling you to keep it in your mind. The good thing is, the horn of Africa collectively will grow at a very fast rate and dynamic way that the world has never registered before. Ethiopia will be number one of the beneficiaries as still her people needs this developement more than anybody. But on the the area that I will keep it secret now, Eritrean emergence is with no doubt. Just keep an eye. Dear Ethiopians should not spend a single moment of their time to watch on what is going to happen around as their PMMZ stated their economic poverity is number one enemy. Eritrean enemy is different, very quite different. And the time has now reached to go beyond this poverty. Sooner, the center of gravity in an area that I am not going to disclose right now and for sure that will keep Eritrea in its right position as a leading player in the horn of Africa and beyond is right on its door steps.

    Just keep your eye wide-open.

    tes

  • guest

    Bless you, belay
    a very good question from a thinking mind. Yes, this possibility should be considered for the good of eritreans, for the good of ethiopia, and modt importantly for the good of Badimmenites. We have such precedences allover the world. Ceuta and Melilla in north west africa under Spain. Gibraltar ( jabal tariq ) under british overseas territories. Falkland Islands of Argentina under british naval.and many many others around the world. The people in those territories i mentioned chose to remain under the administration of the prevailing power rathen than joining ” the mother land”. Even Djiboutians in the first referenfum voted for staying under french..it was on the second referendum after getting guarantees from ethiopia and somalia of not invading
    their country, that they voted for independence from france with visible french forces presence to protect their independence…So, definitely referendum of
    badimme people could be an option, if not
    the only face saving one. It could alse be an
    eritrean land administered by ethiopia for
    certain years or decades, regardless..In a
    natural and normal situation, border
    problems are NOT decided or solved by
    international tribunal body in The Haigh ( La
    High) or anu UN commission, rather by the
    claiming governments themselves.ALMOST
    all nations of the world have some kind of
    territorial, island disputes with their
    neighbors..but it takes only countries like
    ethio/ eritrea, iraq/iran kind of regimes to try
    solve the problem by spilling the blood of
    their fines.Their young men and women.

    so, yes brother belay, i am with you. We should take your suggestion as one of the options to solve the pending problem. I know it wont fly on the face of esayas, die hard sha3biyyans, but worth exploring. Those who see it is not feasible, can present their objections in a decent debate.
    Thank you

    • selam

      Even after the dictator , we eritreans will demand our land and that should be clear to some weyane members in this forum. We Eritreans are capable of defending our land after this dictator.
      So Guest go sell your idea in Tigray not in Eritrea. I can hardly believe any eritrean will advocate for such idea.

      • guest

        Sure..we can even establish a ministry or department of territorial disputes with a couple lawyers, engineers, land suveyers, a coupl secretaries, …etc and have scheduled or periodical meetings with their counterparts in ethiopia and evaluate the progress annually, while improving our cooperation and support each other in all fields including stratigical alliance. We just NEED to get out of this no peace no war situation even before we get badme back. Our lives and eritrean union should not be hostage to badmme case..And it should be the same way with sudan too if we want to re-claim Kessela..NOT by war or international arbitration..just both countries sitting on round table, even
        if the case is dragged for years.
        DARBAS-SALAAM LIL
        HOUL….mengeddi t3inna n3amet
        kiddo..no good outcome comes from
        fighting neighbors for small piece of land, even if you win..The gudge and sense of humiliation will remain forever.

        • selam

          That is just not a starting point , The whole Eritrea will demand Badme , and the reason is that we have paid heavy and it is in every house. We have won through legal way and we can not negotiate over our sovereignty. There were wold engineers and lawyers when this was decided , so there is nothing we want from next generation engineers about our land

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      guest,

      Why do you think that both governments went to an international court of arbitration? Isn’t it for reasons to find an everlasting conclusion to the bloody-war between two brotherly people? What is the purpose of living in confrontational senseless war, where there is no meaningful success one can glean out of it. In wars both sides are losers in terms it takes its toll in human lives and resources. In a peaceful resolution it is a win win to both sides with not cost accrued expenses to both countries. What is the lesson we got from the bloody war that asked us over hundred thousands precious lives of both sides? So my friend yourself and Belay are not yet influenced by your great leader had preached and turned the whole nation in to a new political discourse – a discourse that avoids war and focus to development and eradicate poverty. In every path there is a rule of law that we follow and binds us, otherwise we will live in lawless environment until we extinct as human race.

      • guest

        Brothers and sister…tesfabirhan,amanuel, selam…good debate
        1.i supported the vote thing of brother belay as another option, not the only option.
        2.the arbitration, from what i understand, give both countries a leeway to come to any other solution / or agreement that satisfies both parties.
        3.i totally agree with selam that new settlers of badme who came from deep ethiopia after the war of 1999 should not be the voters, rather the original inhabitants before the war of 1998 started.
        With the rise of IS in iraq, syria, north africa,specially Libya, and the

        cancellation of Sykes-Pecot
        Agreement, compounded with recent
        development in yemen of Zaydi’s lead
        Ansar Allah coming to prominence in
        governing, the re-shaping of borders of the whole region is possible. We are seeing 2 yemens emerging, 3 more divisions in sudan that will directly affect our western provinces.
        As well as possibility of losing Dankalia cut loose of eritrea if the after esays system doesnt recognise the unique situation of Afars in the eritrean union.
        All these taken into consideration, i dont think it is a bad idea to explore other POSSIBLE solutions that satisfies both parties, so we start to roll our sleeves and build our nation and make up for the 23 years of destruction that occured by the one party regime. Again referendum in badme is only one possibility..lease it is another. It can be a free duty zone dually administered..or whatever you have. We just NEED to get out of this quagmire..and sooner done, better..
        As for the hundred thousands lives both sides lost, we all came to our senses how none sense that war was, but nobody from our side or theirs tried to solve it before the total loss occured. The rulings was the result of the war of arrogants.

        • selam

          I still wonder if you own any property.
          May be you are reading too much from Gebru Asrat the ugly mad person. Let me tell you he is just angry because meles out smart him. So i advice you not to read more from him.

          How do you feel if we take some part of Tigrai to Eritrea and hold it to familiarize with your understanding ? Badme is Eritrean land and we do not give part of it. We do not want to have any thing to do with ethiopia concerning land .You take yours we take ours after that we talk about any relationship. Just accept the out came of the court and deal with it.

          Yemen issue is internal issue as the same can be said about the oromo movement may be 20 years from now. Whether you like it or not Badme is eritrean land.

          Afar things is just the call of few people who can’t see over their foot and you look similar to them. Afar people in Eritrea is less than 2% so they can not have any power to cut part of Eritrea. What ever you like to call their movement is rotten and they know it and ethiopia knows it

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          guest,

          If you want to satisfy both parties, it is either, there should be compromise or go by the Hague ruling. The former is unrealistic, but the later is judicious and could bring a lasting peace. Your suggestion favors one side. The opposite side automatically will reject it, because there is no fairness for both sides. In my view it is a none starter. The Hague ruling is the only realistic for lasting peace.

          Regards,

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear guest

      Are we in 1998? Why we want to revise things? History has registered it already that Badume belongs to where it belongs.

      Dear guest, I read so many good points from your each comment till I read this part of yours as a “revisionist”. Let Belay think in what ways he think, but we can not be triggered by every thinker. It could be a beneficial if he a present thinker, the one who thinks about today or for the future. but Belay is in 1998. It is just awakening now. Sadly, you were walking on your way and belay saddenly came in throw it in yours. And now, you are considering it as a future solution. The solution is done 15 years ago, C’est fini dear guest. Don’t be taken away by those who were sleeping for the last 15 years, the hibernators. Belay is nothing but on the line of YG’s thinking. To bring the pas to present and then design based on the transplanted discourse.

      Learn from history, read today and thereby plan for tomorrow.

      tes

  • Nitricc

    After Eritrea won through the court of law; why would you want to there. if you people can’t uphold what you sign in front of the world; what makes you we can trust you once again?
    you people deceptive. look
    http://www.tesfanews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/algiers-signature.jpg

  • destaa

    I wish I could say something on this post but I am very much afraid to speak my mind

    • selam

      Just say what ever you want , this is not Eritrea or Ethiopia , I am sure awate.com will give you any space to comment.

      • destaa

        I was interested to comment on this because I am Ethiopian and I am really surprised how Eritrean oppositions from this site who claim to fight for democracy in Eritrea are not concerned about the dictatorship in Ethiopia. Either they are ignorant of what is happening in Ethiopia or they are supporting Ethio government in line with the enemy of my enemy is my friend, which is also reflected in some Ethiopian oppositions like G7 who run some propaganda for the dictatorship in Eritrea.

        • selam

          As you know most opposition groups tend to fly to Ethiopia as the same can be said about Ethiopian oppositions do to Eritrea. They are just after their interest and that should not surprised you . No one here is taking all what weyane does , Some of the comments are also against weyane but awate.com as a news organization should also report what happens in Tigrai. What is missing in this article is that the bad things about weyane evil actions and their intentions is not reported. But also you need to see in such way ,as usual any Eritrean will want to use Ethiopian resources to pursue their vision and that should not blind you too.Most Eritrean oppositions are also begging weyane for help even though that is very unlikely weyane will do much. So what does it mean when Eritrean website dedicate time to tell weyane propaganda. It should have been much needed service from awate.com to report what happens about the eritrean suffering all over the world and the connection to HGDEF iron rule.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            I don’t know why you are constantly barking at awate.com to be a perfect news out-let. awate.com has posted an article coming from an independent journalist from an Eritrean residing in Ethiopia. That is it. The way you are trying to portray awate.com is as if it is a dominant and all through one door channel. awate.com is taking its role. And if there is any missing part, let you write and send it a an article and sure they will post it as far as it fulfils their article guidleines, which is available to all, or select another media outlet to remind us about the missing part that you are talking about.

            The least you can also do is, write it in this comment section and surely, many readers of awate will visit if it has a value. Therefore think in this simple logical way: we need as many as possible media outlets so that finally we can have a complete picture on what is going on around us. If awate played some role in reporting on what happened in Mekele recently and this is under only one heading, either another awatista can write on analysis, or the other missing dimension or its implication, and much better, if another media out took her part to write on the other dimension of the history, it will be good.

            But, I think you are becoming so addicted to awate.com so that you want to get everything here, or you are too lazy to scan other web-sites, or you want to dominate and get rid of other medias so that awate.com will be shabait.com or you are just so naive to take on what is said.

            Just consider that you have many media out lets that you can read what you want and if you are not satisfied, write what satisfies your conscience and surely your work can satisfy other’s conscience too if there are some who think like yours. The good thing is, all the pro-PFDJ websites have reported and are reporting massively the other part that you are talking about. Just visit them. Don’t be lazy or you should not be too much dependent.

            Just a friendly talk.
            tes

          • selam

            Dear Tesfe

            You are right , i am very connected with awate.com and yes of course i want awate.com to grow very fast . Because as you can see the other websites do have so many flows on their reporting of course this is my view. They lack every thing we need. It has been long time since i clicked on the pro HGDEF websites and i do not think i will click again.
            I hope i can write one day and send to awate.com , the thing is tesfe , i will be very happy to read your conclusion on what i wrote . that being said i have to tell you, i have read awate.com for too long and i do know some awate.com members personally and that pushes me to comment what i feel about awate.com unless i can just read and leave with out commenting. You understand what it means when you know some one and see his product.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            Just a brotherly advice, try to know others too. It will only be for your advantage. Who knows many are waiting you with an open arm. To tell you, I do scan almost all Eritrean web-sites and I usually learn something new. I never attached things with people because I know them. Their ideas matter for me. If their ideas are good, I feel eager to know them. From this perspective, I came to know some awatistas via other means of social networks. It is good. The good thing is, I am not here because I know people. I came here because the contents ate awate.com are inspiring, source of knowledge, wisdom, world outlook and more of reconcilatory in nature.

            But to diversify my mind and to avoid myself from narrow mind, I try to read more. I comment sometimesy in other sites and I rarely comment also on pro-pfdj websites (but now pro-pfdj websites blocked me totally, you can understand why). My favorite but funny web-site is meskerem.net. i learn many from that web-sites. Not because they post good things but I see the confusion there. I read the people who try to increase the gap between the people who are living in political confusion. It is more of a psychology class to me whenever I visit meskerem.net. But I am a passive reader. I thank the owner of meslerem.net for allowing such a room for politically bankrupted individuals. He is working a great service by openning a cyber room for politically disabled people. I like the cyber world actually, you can find everything. Therefore, visit selam. I like nature in general, the real nature. And now I am liking the cyber nature.

            To conclude, do not expect awate.com to bring you everything, in economics, it is called monopoly and hence Eri-cyber-media monoploy. We should welcome other service providers too.

            tes

          • selam

            Thanks for the advice , i just think awate.com articles nail most time perfectly how we eritreans view things , I do not mean the personal thing matter on my view and i do not came here to greet them .

            Regaring the other websites , I do not think i will waste my time in things that i believe is wast full , meskerem.net looks like a gathering for people who have PTS (post Traumatic syndrome) , even though the syndrome can be due to different reasons. I read most political analyis from Aljzeera arabi and al arabia as well as politico.com , they have a great mind lesson for us especially the Eritrean activists so i urge you to read politico as well as Aljazeera arbic. I mean if you want to learn , unless every thing about eritrea is open to any one equaly , you are living it and i am just living it .

            At this time there is this cyber babble and that is taking Eritrean activist by draws and that is really not good to our cause.

            As i said in different comments , Awate.com also have some mistakes and i do not expect them to be perfect and i really do not want them to be the dominat but i want them to have more share in our media space.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear destaa,

          Whether the current system in Ethiopia is dictatorship or or not has least importance to the internal affairs of Eritrea. It is your business to deal with it. What we are sure about is that in Ethiopia, democratization process is an on-going project. In addition, we see Ethiopia increasingly cooperating with the international community. On the other hand, as good wishers of Ethiopian people and its prosperity, we follow the human rights development. Sure there are many grievances that we can witness and that we can talk about, just to remind our fellow Ethiopians to pay attention. Beyond that, it is acting like PFDJ, building rebel groups with whom ever he raises grievances. be it political, economical or social. For mainting a good brotherhood, we should refrain ourselves from trying to remove an eye-dust from someone by ignoring the parallel consequences.

          We should belive that each country, as a sovereign and independent country, has an obligation to solve its own problem, be it in the short term or long term.

          tes

  • selam

    It is international court who led the decisions not eritreans wish to have badme. So just obey the rule not your harassing intentions.this badme issue is not IA issue. It is eritrean issue.
    we Eritreans are asking for the land not for the people as you know the people just relocated from another part of ethiopia . Unless all the eritreans who has lived in badme before the war has fled to eritrea and that should close your assumption of the vote.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear selam,

      Badime issue was first an Eritrean issue, then EPLF snatched it from Eritrean people and took an absolute control of it. Then, PFDJ came and wanted it for his own political game. He called the people to take it over again. The people came in. Then PFDJ came-out. Eritrean people are fooled by this case. Worst is, PFDJ kept the people in a marsh. He brought a rope that he believed he can pull the people at anytime. Well, what happened is that, the rope can not pull the people as it is easily breakable so he continued to kill people one by one belieiving that the rope designed finally can pull again much fewer. This is where we are now. We are waiting PFDJ rope to pull us from the marsh. The sad part is, the marsh is now almost dry. But our perception is killing us. WE are putting all blames to PFDJ. Let him die and let the rope broke into pieces. We don’t need any rope.

      tes

  • ‘Gheteb

    Man, that thing has been decided a long time ago. Let me give you an analogy that perfectly captures the utter futility of your effort. Have you ever tried to put a tooth paste back into its tube? Or have you ever tried to “unring” a bell that already tolled or rung??? Think about that and what you are saying about “Badume” is akin to that!

  • selam

    Of course ethiopia is a force to lead in the regional political and diplomatic arena , but this does not mean they will go wildly to threatening countries which are small in size. That kind of understanding is totally not tangible and not possible . Because The history of the Somali , Eritrean people is quite different to the understanding of some one from south africa. Ethioia is only able to flex its power because they tend to take the order from western friends and also they have a dictator on their door step. That helps them well to be seen a force to lead. Once the Eritrean people and the Somali people have their own chosen governments it will be extremely very hard for any ethiopian leader to do what ever he wants . The history of the Somali people and Eritrean people is getting rewritten again just because they can not bear the situation at hand it does not mean they will take orders from Ethiopia.

    The Eritrean opposition could have gone well in mobilizing the Eritrean people abroad and inside, if not for their cozy relationship with weyane.The same thing can be said for the Somali people.

    Lets just wait the next 10 years how the ethnic friction in ethiopia will play out. The largest beneficiary of the current ethiopian economic boom is just concentrated in Tigrai. There are millions of people who are just not happy with EPRDF and the notion EPRDF is a democratic party is ignorance at its best. They will not give any power in election and they will not win the vot of the Amhara , Oroma people .The last election 96% that was just not true.

    But lets hope every thing get solved in a civilized way so Eritreans can benefit from their huge population. When the peace comes we Eritreans can just play the open market equal to any one. Economic integration with ethiopia benefits Eritrean traders more than any one in our region and we need that badly .

    • ‘Gheteb

      You said: ” Of course Ethiopia is a force to lead in the regional political and diplomatic arena”. Really? Are you for real? And who has chosen Ethiopia to lead in those fields? About the only force that is pushing this kind of thinking is of course the world’s super power, The U.S.A and the TPLF is working mightily to become the beneficiary of this American strategy. Not only the Eritreans and Somalis, but also the North and South Sudanese, Ugandans and even those from Kenya are NOT going to buy into this skewed scheme.
      You can hope and hope that “every thing get solved in a civilized way…….”, but the reality and the history of the region and the main culprit in the destabilization of the Horn ( Read, the Weyanes) are not in this for some benign motives. Their agenda is to dominate the region and they are not in the business of playing fair and by the rules!

      • selam

        Lets assume USA and TPLF get what they want for the next 10 years .We can not deny the fact that Ethiopia possess a great deal of population and that gives ethiopia to be heard clearly and loudly.
        TPLF is not going to continue at the current level of intimidation and harassing , they just can not continue to do that. But we can also not underestimated that force of ethiopia , it is just a fact ethiopia with a large population is a great deal in front of small countries like Eritrea , Djibouti and Somalia . Here i am not defending weyane evil way of doing business .
        I understand weyane are taking all the wealth of the AMahara , Oroma and others . I know this is done by force and this will creat a very bad situation for the years to come.

        What i am saying is just assumption that every thing goes in a civilized manner unless yes you are right , it will be very hard to buy every thing weyane does.Fisrt of all the lie too much and they have no respect for rule of law and the international rules , so it is obvious they will collapse in some form of power sharing.

        • ‘Gheteb

          What makes you so sure that the TPLF are not going to continue their belligerent policy in the Horn? I mean what makes you so sure they are going to stop their “current level of intimidation and harassing”? Don’t you know that they are the darling of the West and are described by one of the best Ethiopian minds, Profeesor Al Mariam as “the new sheriffs of the Horn”? and describes the Weyanes system nothing more than a “thugocracy”.

        • Abinet

          HELP!HELP! Somebody help!
          Since when eritreans become defenders of Amharas and Oromos?
          I hear it from selam, Nitricc, cousin Hope and others?
          Whatever happened to “Amhara meTabih Amara yibelahal ,
          I’m an Amhara. Don’t try to defend me . I know better not to trust you. I Only laugh at you . Tell that to the spineless ESAT. They are as good as dogs . They bark where they eat. ( wusha bebelabet yichohal) .

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abinet,
            .
            Haven’t you heard, it was like this for a decade or so. It is now “Tigrai meTabih Tigrai yibelhal”
            I think, the main thread of this approach comes from PFDJ, it is amazing the harmony of it. They claim to be opposition but play from the same music sheet.
            .
            BTW, I miss that friend of yours Eyob M., come to think of it I miss a lot of them, HaileTG, SAAY, Pappillion, Serrai?, the light in the room is dimmer without them.
            .
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            funny huh? do you think you will get away when you do this to people?

            http://mereja.com/forum/download/file.php?id=24457

          • Abinet

            Kim
            It is not only Tigray metabih there is also ” enezih agamewoch eko agerun teqoTaTerut ” .They say this after they made sure you are not from Tigray.
            Maneh balesamnt ?
            Kim, I think Eyobe is addis. I miss him . I miss all the great minds. It is like ” ager siyarej jart yabeqlal” at awate land, I’m afraid.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hi Abi,

            I am back…You are right I was in Addis and back only about 7 days ago…And seriously, I miss you too…I miss all of you…

          • Abinet

            Eyobe
            Ende ! Zemed yinafiqal yicheneqal ayibalm?
            Ager endet kermoal ?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob Medhane,
            .
            It is great to see you back and doing well. I had relatives that came back with a lot of stories of change and the struggles of life.
            .
            Good, now you are back, I have to ask this. Normally the function of “Amalge” is reserved for the elder members but you having a good relationship with Mr. SAAY, I am wondering if you could ask him to visit his own forum once in a while. You know he totally abandoned us for several months now.
            .
            K.H

      • Dear Gheteb,
        According to the German Institute of Global and Area Studies, a regional power must:
        -Form part of a definable region with its own identity,
        -Claim to be a regional power,
        -Exert decisive power influence on the geographic extension of the region as well as on its ideological construction,
        -Dispose over comparatively high military, economic, demographic, political and ideological capabilities,
        -Be well integrated into the region,
        -Define the regional security agenda to a high degree,
        -Be appreciated as a regional power by other powers in the region and beyond, especially by other regional powers,
        -Be well connected with regional and global fora.

        Therefore, as per the above criteria, Ethiopia is considered a “regional power of the horn”, by International relations and political science academics,
        analysts, and other experts.
        (An excerpt from Wikipedia.)

        • selam

          Be well integrated into the region,
          -Define the regional security agenda to a high degree,
          -Be appreciated as a regional power by other powers in the region and beyond, especially by other regional powers,
          -Be well connected with regional and global fora.

          These all are absent from current ethiopian regime.

          • It is not necessary to fulfill all the criteria to be called a regional power, however, all the above you mentioned are at least partially being fulfilled.

          • selam

            Ethiopia is just chosen because they will never ever disappoint the corporate world .Not their transparency not their military power not their development either.

          • ‘Gheteb

            You are exactly right. That is the crux of the problem. Not only of the current Ethiopian regime, but historically also Ethiopia has been the willing agent in fulfilling not only the wishes of the corporate world but also of the Western/Eastern Powers. Herein is then the dilemma that the Horn faces in that it is this willingness of the Ethiopian regimes and the aiding and abetting of these very powers that is enabling the likes of the Weyanes not only to lord over the Horn, but to wreck havoc wantonly. Call me a pessimist, but I don’t see this arrangement changing soon, even your “after ten years” prediction.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            I hope you will not tell me that “political diplomacy” in itself is done for fulfilling to the wishes and interest of corporate world or western/eastern power. Diplomacy is always catered for the required or desired interest of mutual benefits. I believe the current Ethiopian officials are in to a diplomatic engagement of give and take to change the economic reality of Ethiopia. Look how the flow of foreign investment the whole economic outlook of Ethiopia. The reality on the ground is a good testimony to the outcome of their diplomacy.

            Second, if the arrangement of economic integration is good for the region, let us be part of it and be optimistic to be a realism in the region. I am sure there will be up and down on the road, but to launch for such endeavor is noble and worthy to fight for it.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            As usual, you raise interesting questions. I hope to share my two cents with you soon as I have to go now.
            Regards

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Gheteb,

            I would like to tell you that I disagree with you in this regard. There is no one chosen or one to chose. It is upto you. You can either work to chose or to be chosen. US is for exampling working to chose, this is an open secret in their political mission. Within this regard, we have two options, to accept her chose to to make our own choice. Yet, we can keep a healthy environment within this two options. Unfortunately, almost the whole world is on the waiting list or lining-up to be the chosen.

            To come to the Ethio-case, in the early days, Ethiopia had much opportunity to chose and they did. Menelik was a pioneer in this regard. Hailessilasie has played two double roles: as the chosen one based on historical ties, and as a man who can chose and this is specially in relation to Africa (remembered as a man who works in bringing Africa together). Mengistu is just the lost soul leader. He was playing a game based on his greediness of arming himself and trying not to lose the importance of the historical relationships laid by his senior Ethiopian leaders (a clear sign of ambivalence between diplomacy and greediness). Melles out smarted all and came with his double minded approach. He merged all the past Ethiopian discourses in one box and went beyond out of this box.

            Eritrea: Till 1991, not lucky to be chosen or to chose. Upto 1994, transition and honeymoon. But right after the coming of PFDJ into power, he totally lost the art of politics and went back to his “rule of jungle”. Eritrea under the leadership of PFDJ became a wild nation. Then, the world has responded to this wild nation in different ways.

            Within this jungle, the nation became lawless, just like a wild animal. A nation that can attack others whenever it has thought it is a right time to do so, or continued to arm her muscle so that it can build her defense system in case hunters tried to come to the jungle and sometimes to comes out of the forest and disturbs the outside world. It is just a dog that is confined in a cage.

            This is my read on this issue

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            When Meles sent Ethiopian troops to Somalia to fight off Union of Islamic courts with Al shabab in its wings, journalists and people like you were condemning him for his aggression. He was told he was following orders from the U.S etc. etc.
            In fact he was told in no uncertain terms that he was on his own by U.S administration of the time. Later the tune changed with events on the ground.
            .
            His response was stated as I can paraphrase them on more than one occasion. I think one of the statement was made to the Parliament.
            When beseeched by journalist about his actions, his response was that Ethiopia will always act based on its interest. If the interest of Ethiopia and U.s or Europe coincide that was fine and good. That is always preferred. We will work together. When our interest diverge, we go on our own separate ways.
            .
            He went on to say, U.S did not provide Ethiopia with a single bullet for the actions he took in Somalia.
            Yes U. S is assisting us in education and health care, for example, they provided millions in condoms, but we cannot fight with condom, he said. The military equipment we use is not from the west.
            .
            You see, that is the Ethiopia I know. Any of this innuendo you make sounds diplomatic immaturity. Didn’t your Eritrean Government paid top dollar to lobbyist in Washington D.C to have an American military base on its land? Do you remember the picture of the hand shake by both hands of your President I.A of the aloof U.S secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld? So please go easy on the belittling remarks.
            .
            K.H

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Horizon,
          Thanks for the info, but the problem in the Horn is history and history and especially the bad history of Ethiopia of the recent past and not of the recent past. Justice and fairness is so dearth, the powers to be can assign whomever is going to serve their interest the best. At the end of the day, it is the will of the Horn that is going to be the determining factor.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            Regional power is something you earn it. You don’t get it by assignment or favoritism. If one country become regional power, it has to do also with the recognition of the states in the region. Otherwise the states in the region will revolt against it. So besides the criteria Horizon had mentioned it, it requires a skillful diplomacy to adjudicate mutual relations with the countries that constitute the specific region
            states.
            regards

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Gheteb,
        .
        I have read your posts and come to believe that you are expressing a view shared by many Eritreans. It is said in many different ways but just the same. It is presented in a clear and concise manner.
        Your exchange with Amanuel and Hayet in particular is enlightening specially when Eth.is mentioned as a passing subject matter.
        .
        I am going to be blunt here. In this cyber world where Hayet and Nitricc types exchange views on an equal footing, I feel entitled to express my opinion about the things you don’t say but insinuate through out your posts.
        Ex. ” You can hope and hope that…………,but the reality and the history of the region….”
        .
        “…TPLF, rightly so because their main concern is Tigray or Ethiopia (I am not sure).”
        .
        “There is no confusion on my side here between the Ethiopian people (whom I love just as much as the Eritrean people…” Please stop it, now you sound like an American politician.
        .
        As a starting point I want to let you know that I had a belief then (when TPLF entered Addis) as you do now that TPLF has obligation or kinship, if you will, to look after the Eritrean interest a cut and above Ethiopian interest. There might have been that faction early on. However a significant members of TPLF members prevailed, some changed their attitude and the rest is history.
        .
        All these agitations and “concern” you have for other non-Tirgrean Ethiopians does not go unnoticed. The question of trust in general and the talk about border land occupation as if Ethiopia is holding the bread basket of Eritrea is a topic cyber politicians go to when they want to avoid the existential threat (white elephant in the room) to their nation.
        .
        Please don’t worry about us, the Amharas, the Oromos and the Gurages, we will manage.
        .
        Now, the only reason we have to keep an eye out for you is the fact that you happen to be the outside gate to our home. We see all our mortal enemies visiting the gate on occasions and it is our duty to keep an eye on you.
        You don’t owe us anything and we don’t owe you anything. But as long as we are condemned to live side by side for ever, let us try to be neighborly.
        .
        K.H

        • ‘Gheteb

          The last two quotes you mentioned, I haven’t said them and I ask you to pinpoint them for me.Listen, I don’t go out of my way to show my concern about other people, be it the Amhars, Gurages, Oromos and what have you. If you haven’t noticed,my primary and sole concern is Eritrea and its people. However, I am not going to shy away from sharing my two cents when issues of the Horn arise. Mind you, Eritrea is in the Horn and no one told me that I can’t express my views using my God given mind. If you don’t like what I have to say, well, too bad and you don’t have to read my posts. Fair enough? How about now? Do I sound like an American politician???

          • ‘Gheteb

            Oh, l think you have gotten the last two quotes 1) “TPLF, rightly so because…….” and 2) “There is no confusion ……” from a person writing using a nick name “Gherhi” and not my nickname ” ‘Gheteb”. Please, recheck and correct your error!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Gheteb,
            .
            Oh my, you are right, I made a boo boo here. I am sorry about it.
            .
            I hope Mr. Gherhi has read my post and want to confirm that it was intended for him. The fact the boomerang hit me in the head is another matter.
            thanks,
            K.H

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Gheteb,
            .
            I worked hard to find this specific quote for you. The Tigrai or Ethiopia, I am not sure quote, came from your post about 20 hours ago in response to Hayat Adem.
            On the other one, please trust me that the quote are placed correctly. Perhaps, another individual who felt its impact might point it out.
            .
            No, No this time you didn’t sound like an American politician. In fact, to me, you sounded like my main defender, now an Eritrean, by the name of Gebre Kidan, who wore the number 5 jersey in my old, old soccer club in Addis. However, he usually sounded like that when he was under pressure. Good old days.
            .
            Cheers,
            K.H

  • Abinet

    Thank you olana
    I already feel better

  • Nitricc

    Hahaha are you the brother of Semere Andom? You sound like Semere lol
    When the Amhara and Oromo come for your head then you give badme up. You will see. I am sure you don’t want add Eritrea in to the growing lists of who wanted your head off; do you?

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello awatistas
    Today, the truth-bound citizens want to convey this message in Tigrigna, which is the language both belligerent peoples of Eritrea and Tigray use.
    ሓጎስካ ሓጎስና እዩ ወያናይ ህዝቢ ትግራይ

    ኣብ መበል 40 ዓመት ምምስራት ህወሓት

    እንቋዕ ኣብዚ ኣብጸሓካ ህዝቢ ትግራይ። እንቋዕ መንፈስ ህዝቢ ሓውዜንን ከምኡ እውን ብበዓል
    ኣሞራ ዝውከሉ ሰማእታት ትግራይ መዕለቢ ረኸበ።

    ክልቲኡ ህዝብታት ብዝከኣሎ ተሓጋጊዙ እዩ። ሰማእታት ትግራይ ኣብ ኤርትራ ኣለዉ ሰማእታት
    ኤርትራ እውን ኣብ መሬት ኢትዮጵያ ኣለዉ። ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ ካብ ነንሕዱ ኣይበቀቐን፣ ዝርካቡ ሰናይ ድሌትን ነገራዊ ሓገዛትን ተለዋዊጡ
    እዩ። ልዕሊ ኩሉ እቲ ሓደ ከይስነፍ፣ ከይወድቕ፣ ድሕሪት ከይተርፍ ጸልዩ እዩ። ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብቅዝፈት ሓውዜን ሓዚኑ፡ ህዝቢ ትግራይ
    እውን በቲ ዘስካክሕ ቅዝፈት ሽዕብን ናይ ባጽዕ ኣልማሚ ቅዝፈት “ቕብጸት” ሓዚኑ እዩ።

    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብዓወት ተጋድሎ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ተሓጒሱ እዩ፣ ህዝቢ ትግራይ እውን ብተጋድሎ
    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ሕቡን ከምዝነበረ ኣይርሳዕን እዩ። ህወሓትን ህግሓኤ ዝነበሮም ርክባትን ገልጠምጠምን ኣብ ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ በጺሑ ነጸብራቑ
    ውሱንን ግሉልን እዩ ዝነበረ። ምሕዝነት ክልቲኡ ውድባት ብዝተዋህበ ቁጽሪ ከላሽንን ኣብ ዝተወሰኑ ስርሒታት ናይ ዝተደረቡ ናይ ሓገዝ
    ልቕቦታት/ጥብቆታት ዘይኮነስ፣ ምሕዝነት ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ ብደም ደቆም ዝግለጽ እዩ ነይሩ።

    ታሪኽ ብጽምዶን ብጥንቃቐን ንዘይሓዝዎ ኣህዛብ ጨካን እዩ። እቶም ዝያዳ ኩሉ ዝደመዩ ህዝብታት
    ኤርትራን ትግራይን ነቶም ንናይ ሓባር ጸላኢ ክዝልዝሉ ዘብልሕዎም ከራሩ ናብ ምትሕርራድ ሓድሕድ ተጠቒሞምሎም። ምትሕርራድን ምጥብባሕን
    ኣጸቢቖም ዝመለክዎ ሞያ ስለዝነበረ ድማ ንሕስያ ብዘይብሉ ኣገባብ ተቐታቲሎም።

    ዜጋታት ክልቲኡ ወገን ኣመና ዓሺና። ክሳራና ክነውሕድ ኣይጸዓርናን።

    ሕጂ እውን ነብሰ-ወከፍ ሰላም-ኣልቦ ዓመት ነቲ ክሳብ ሕጂ ዝተሰከምናዮ ክሳራ ተዛይዶ ኣላ።

    ኣብ ዝኣረገን ዝተበጣጠሰን ሕሳባት ኣቲና “መን እንታይ ከፊሉ፡ መን እንታይ ሂቡ…”
    ኣብ ዝብል ምጉት ምእታውን ሸንኮለል ምባልን ነቶም ከናቕቱ ዝደልዩ ፖለቲከኛታት/ካድረታት ዲል ምሃብ እዩ።

    ንናይ ፖሊተከኛታት ህውተታ ዝድግፍ “ዘራፍ…በትረይ ሃቡኒ” ምቅላሕ ንታሪኽ ክትእርም ዘይምጽዓር ዘይሓላፍነታዊ እዩ። ህዝብን ውድባትን
    ክንፈልን ኣብ መንጎ ኣህዛብ ጎረባብቲ ሃገራት ዘሎ ዝምድናታት ክነጠናኽር ምጽዓርን ግቡእ ናይ ኩሉ ሰላም ዝደሊ ዜጋ እዩ።

    በዚ ኣጋጣሚ፡ ህዝብታት ክልቲኡ ሃገራት ንናይ መራሕቶም ዕብዳን ክርሕርሑን ናብ ሰላምን
    ምትሕግጋዝ ገጾም ከማዕድዉን ንጽውዕ።

    ከም ኤትራዊ፡ ካብ ዝተተራመሰትን ሰላም ዘይብላን ኢትዮጵያ፡ ሓድነታ ዝደልደለን ብኤኮኖሚ
    ዝሓየለትን ጎረቤት ክትህልወኒ እምነ። ሰላምን ጸጥታን ምስ ምዕባለ ዝተኣሳሰር እዩ።

    ንሓርበኛታት ወይንትን ይከኣሎን ነዛ ትስዕብ ደርፊ የጋብዘኩም።

    ሓጎስካ ሓጎስና እዩ ወያናይ ህዝቢ ትግራይ

    ኣብ መበል 40 ዓመት ምምስራት ህወሓት

    እንቋዕ ኣብዚ ኣብጸሓካ ህዝቢ ትግራይ። እንቋዕ መንፈስ ህዝቢ ሓውዜንን ከምኡ እውን ብበዓል
    ኣሞራ ዝውከሉ ሰማእታት ትግራይ መዕለቢ ረኸበ።

    ክልቲኡ ህዝብታት ብዝከኣሎ ተሓጋጊዙ እዩ። ሰማእታት ትግራይ ኣብ ኤርትራ ኣለዉ ሰማእታት
    ኤርትራ እውን ኣብ መሬት ኢትዮጵያ ኣለዉ። ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ ካብ ነንሕዱ ኣይበቀቐን፣ ዝርካቡ ሰናይ ድሌትን ነገራዊ ሓገዛትን ተለዋዊጡ
    እዩ። ልዕሊ ኩሉ እቲ ሓደ ከይስነፍ፣ ከይወድቕ፣ ድሕሪት ከይተርፍ ጸልዩ እዩ። ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብቅዝፈት ሓውዜን ሓዚኑ፡ ህዝቢ ትግራይ
    እውን በቲ ዘስካክሕ ቅዝፈት ሽዕብን ናይ ባጽዕ ኣልማሚ ቅዝፈት “ቕብጸት” ሓዚኑ እዩ።

    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብዓወት ተጋድሎ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ተሓጒሱ እዩ፣ ህዝቢ ትግራይ እውን ብተጋድሎ
    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ሕቡን ከምዝነበረ ኣይርሳዕን እዩ። ህወሓትን ህግሓኤ ዝነበሮም ርክባትን ገልጠምጠምን ኣብ ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ በጺሑ ነጸብራቑ
    ውሱንን ግሉልን እዩ ዝነበረ። ምሕዝነት ክልቲኡ ውድባት ብዝተዋህበ ቁጽሪ ከላሽንን ኣብ ዝተወሰኑ ስርሒታት ናይ ዝተደረቡ ናይ ሓገዝ
    ልቕቦታት/ጥብቆታት ዘይኮነስ፣ ምሕዝነት ክልቲኡ ኣህዛብ ብደም ደቆም ዝግለጽ እዩ ነይሩ።

    ታሪኽ ብጽምዶን ብጥንቃቐን ንዘይሓዝዎ ኣህዛብ ጨካን እዩ። እቶም ዝያዳ ኩሉ ዝደመዩ ህዝብታት
    ኤርትራን ትግራይን ነቶም ንናይ ሓባር ጸላኢ ክዝልዝሉ ዘብልሕዎም ከራሩ ናብ ምትሕርራድ ሓድሕድ ተጠቒሞምሎም። ምትሕርራድን ምጥብባሕን
    ኣጸቢቖም ዝመለክዎ ሞያ ስለዝነበረ ድማ ንሕስያ ብዘይብሉ ኣገባብ ተቐታቲሎም።

    ዜጋታት ክልቲኡ ወገን ኣመና ዓሺና። ክሳራና ክነውሕድ ኣይጸዓርናን።

    ሕጂ እውን ነብሰ-ወከፍ ሰላም-ኣልቦ ዓመት ነቲ ክሳብ ሕጂ ዝተሰከምናዮ ክሳራ ተዛይዶ ኣላ።

    ኣብ ዝኣረገን ዝተበጣጠሰን ሕሳባት ኣቲና “መን እንታይ ከፊሉ፡ መን እንታይ ሂቡ…”
    ኣብ ዝብል ምጉት ምእታውን ሸንኮለል ምባልን ነቶም ከናቕቱ ዝደልዩ ፖለቲከኛታት/ካድረታት ዲል ምሃብ እዩ።

    ንናይ ፖሊተከኛታት ህውተታ ዝድግፍ “ዘራፍ…በትረይ ሃቡኒ” ምቅላሕ ንታሪኽ ክትእርም ዘይምጽዓር ዘይሓላፍነታዊ እዩ። ህዝብን ውድባትን
    ክንፈልን ኣብ መንጎ ኣህዛብ ጎረባብቲ ሃገራት ዘሎ ዝምድናታት ክነጠናኽር ምጽዓርን ግቡእ ናይ ኩሉ ሰላም ዝደሊ ዜጋ እዩ።

    በዚ ኣጋጣሚ፡ ህዝብታት ክልቲኡ ሃገራት ንናይ መራሕቶም ዕብዳን ክርሕርሑን ናብ ሰላምን
    ምትሕግጋዝ ገጾም ከማዕድዉን ንጽውዕ።

    ከም ኤትራዊ፡ ካብ ዝተተራመሰትን ሰላም ዘይብላን ኢትዮጵያ፡ ሓድነታ ዝደልደለን ብኤኮኖሚ
    ዝሓየለትን ጎረቤት ክትህልወኒ እምነ። ሰላምን ጸጥታን ምስ ምዕባለ ዝተኣሳሰር እዩ። ብደሆታት ታሪኽ ክንሰግር ንኽእል ኢና። እዚ ግን ከም ኣፈኛታት ናይ ፖለቲከኛታት ዘይኮነስ ከም ግቡኦም ዝፈልጡ ዜጋታት ምስ ንሰርሕ እዩ።

    ንሓርበኛታት ወይንትን ይከኣሎን ነዛ ትስዕብ ደርፊ የጋብዘኩም።

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKcO7PqH4rU

    • Semere Andom

      Mahmuday:
      My only beef in this comment is your choice of Abeb’s song, where he says beal sirre, eta beal qemish ke?, qemishey nqulqul is what gual Eri says? ;-)This reminds me of Tefeno’s line to Tsige G, ytiqus tstiqus, when she took him up for his “sirre tkideni sirre ekiden, tsebbhi tserhi tsebhi yserih 😉

    • Kokhob Selam
  • Thomas Tewelde

    Why are you using my name Thomas Tewelde to cover your nonsense. I owe you an apology and uncover yourself from the mask of dirty politics!!! Awate you should honor my right to protect my name and relay my message, please show a good code of Internet media than erasing my right to protect what is written above by stealing my identity. If not, Then I will believe you encourage an abuse!!! With due respect I want my reply posted and Thank you.

  • Gonbel

    If AT needs proof that posting this article is not in
    keeping with their professed standard, they need not look further than the
    exchange between TKifle and Kaddis. How many Eritreans can say that they don’t
    have a family member killed in this recent war?
    However one tries to discount it, these two governments are still in a
    state of war. This article is about an event displaying power and an Eritrean
    woman knows all too well what awaits this imbalance. It is a one sided propaganda that adds no
    value to the discourse we should all have and welcome. That PFDJ is busy
    abusing its citizens; That PFDJ is incapable of defending its territory and a litany
    of other defects, doesn’t absolve those Eritreans opposed to it from
    empathizing with an Eritrean mother. To
    see that some Eritreans are tripping over each other to congratulate a TPLF,
    that is as undemocratic as any, as culpable to the recent war as any, is mind
    boggling. We don’t have a say on how
    they celebrate. But surely, we expect this Eritrean website to weigh on how an
    Eritrean mother who lost a loved one to a war, not yet concluded I should
    emphasize, will feel about this article. It is in bad taste!

    • selam

      we post not celebrate weyane bonanaza , we post here to make it clear we are not blinded by HGDEF. We are not clapping for weyane. We are asking our land to be returned . So i ask you to really ask Awate.com why they could not have one article about the Eritrean refugee and also about our city MASSAWA liberation time with the promised that dashed by HGDEF that should be a challenge to awate.com

  • Thomas Tewelde

    Why are you using Thomas Tewelde which is my name as a cover to extend your poor judgment. This is an abuse and you better clarify your real name with an apology. Shame on whom ever you are.

  • T..T.

    Similar as the Eritrean Revolution was hurled with a shot, so also there was a shot fired to start the race in all fields between Eritrea led by EPLF and Ethiopia led by TPLF in their post-revolution era. The outcome of the race as of today according to MSN report Eritrea is found to be the toughest of the toughest country to do business. As a result, no food, no schooling, and no businesses to be done making the country the mother of all NOs:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/the-worlds-10-toughest-countries-in-which-to-do-business/ss-BBgVX0z?ocid=mailsignout#image=11

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear tplf,

    Weak people “DEFEND” and strong people “PROTECT”. Just a wisdom for you. And if you don’t understand these two terminologies, I will be back for you.

    tes

  • AMAN

    Dear Eritreans and Tigrians
    I would like to say Happy Fenkil and Yekatit 12 celebrations
    on behalf of the Ethiopian government and people.
    The Ethiopian government and people will always stand by
    the side of Eritrean and Tigrian peoples struggle and victory
    for better future of Ethiopia and will take note of their contribution
    and struggle. Because this adds to the struggle our ETHIOPIAN
    people is making towards free and independent Africa.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    I congratulate the Ethiopian peoples in general and the Tigryan people in particular on the occassion of the 40 years anniversary of their struggle against the Derge dictatorship. By the same token, I call upon the Ethiopian people, especially the Tigryans to put pressure on their government to abide by the border ruling it had signed and vacate sovereign Eritrean territories.
    The Eritrean people, just like the Ethiiopian people, deserve to reap the harvest of their hard-won Independence, a struggle they had waged in co-operation with the Ethiopians. Eritreans find themselves, unfortunately, strangulated by a vicious dictatorship, that is bent on holding to power at any cost; Ethiopia has, therefore, a moral and legal responsibility to withdraw its occupying forces from Eritrean lands, and deny the PFDJ-dictatorship an excuse for misusing the border issue to justify its endless power grip.

    • selam

      If TPLF withdraw from the Eritrean land i can see HGDEF have no reason to have power in Eritrea and keep us hostage.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Selam,

        “If TPLF withdraw from the Eritrean land i can see HGDEF have no reason to have power in Eritrea and keep us hostage.”

        I learn from your above statement that you are very innocent and nice guy, pardon me for all debates.you must be young who don’t know what PFDJ is.

        • selam

          Kokhob , you do not believe an eritrean girl can post things on the net about politics ? just jocking about the guy thing ?

          lets face it the only thing that gave IA to be a leader is the war. Unless how it could be ? do you think all the G-15 would follow him in a peaceful eritrean and do you think he will have the say to close all our press ? i debuts it . I am not debating on the evil thing of HGDEF even before 1991 they were killing people who question them . That is well documented.But how could one man mobilize all the eritean people with out using the pretext of war with weyane and framing all our leaders

          • Kokhob Selam

            sorry sister , i had the same problem when I join Eritrean society in different sites.

            Here is the point, we are so nice people we believe what that Mafia says. imagine we have rejected it from the beginning, what could have happened? any how everything happens for good and may be we could have war among us. see today almost no one can be cheated.

          • selam

            One Question just simple question

            Do you think any one that oppose weyane or demand the rule of the law to be respected by doing so return our land support HGDEF. Or do you thinkany one that oppose change by militaristic force especially by weyane is a supporter of HGDEF.

            Do you think i support HGDEF and their rule ? because i can understand you , you seems to not allow any one to oppose Ethiopian aggression towards Eritrea and be against HGDEF.

          • Kokhob Selam

            may be you miss understand me, that boarder issue is just artificial issue, it just another game played by PFDJ, but EPRDF also use it, in politics you can’t blame some one who use incidents. Meles was wise man and he knows PFDJ leadership.

            now to make the subject short and easy for you to understand, in which legal position is he going to face this legal problem. it is no more representing us and if Badme is returned to Eritrea today there will not be much different. isn’t Massaw, Assab,Asmara the entire nation under PFDJ today? what do you see except suffering? nothing. so you should have a government -an administration first. so if some one talk about Badme, he should be legally representing you. why the world is watching far this subject? do you got it. so if someone talk about Badme forgetting the first issue directly or indirectly he is supporting tho prolong the life of PFDJ, Badme is Eritrea and that is already confirmed. Ethiopians will leave Badme but will join us in making the real united sister nations.

            and yes I agree with you if I am an Ethiopian leader I will leave Badme and expose PFDJ more. but unfortunately it is not in our hand. what is in our hand is removing PFDJ.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Abraham,

      Do you really think if the border is demarcated now that the PFDJ policy will change? If you think, I could only say you don’t know PFDJ. But, if you believe the regime is “bent on holding to power at any cost” why should we piggy-backing the border issue with that of the regime change?
      regards,

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Dear Amanuel H.,

        My simple answer is I don’t think even in my wildest dream that the PFDJ would change course towards improving its policies should the border be demarcated tomorrow. But I know there are many, many Eritreans who’ve been misled and deceived to believe that the border impasse is the mother of all the ills in Eritrea. Therefore, having a final solution to this problem would deny the PFDJ their deception card, and the poor people would begin to understand the real cause of their misery and hence would begin to challenge the regime. This is in addition to the fact that the displaced people would return to their villages and rebuild their lives.

    • Haile WM

      Dear Abraham,

      in my opinion badme is serving both the Ethiopian gov. and the mafia in Asmara. my take is that badme will never be handed peacefully to Eritrea under the current political situation.

      The point here is how much are we going to let PFDJ rule us with or without badme. We the Eritrean people need to be aware of the nature of PFDJ and their boss, speaking of badme or border demarcation is like getting worried of the smoke might tarnish the white walls while the fire is burning the entire house.

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Selamat Haile VM;

        I share your view regarding Badme. The Eritrean people is the only losing party from this senseless impasse; the PFDJ is using it to justify its indefinite power grip and human rights vilolations, whereas the TPLF-led Ethiopian government, in its scramble for regional hegemony, is using it to subjugate and further weaken the nation of Eritrea, I wish, the majority of us Eritreans understood this fact which is threatening our very existence as a people. They say something is better than nothing; at least if the border issue is settled, those fooled Eritreans would re-think their view on the PFDJ, and focus their efforts towards resolving their internal menace.

        • teweldino

          I’m confused. Haile said:
          “… my take is that badme will never be handed peacefully to Eritrea
          under the current political situation…”. And you showed your agreement
          with his view. However, you continued with your view that the border issue to
          be settled under the current government (PFDJ) so that people would start
          to change their opinion about PFDJ and work towards removing it (sort of).
          These two views conflict with each other. My question to you is: “Do you
          think it is likely that Ethiopia will handover Badme to Eritrea and resolve the
          border while PFDJ is in power? Please note my question is about what you
          think will probably happen rather that what is possible (because anything is
          possible under the sun)

          • Abraham Hanibal

            My agreement with Haile was on his view that both the PFDJ and the Ethiopian government are using the border issue for their own political agenda, both harming the suffering party-the Eritrean people. My view is that the border issue has been settled by arbitration, and it should be resolved on that basis, not be used as a political tool.
            My answer to your question is, it depends on whether the international community understands the consequence of the unresolved border and reverses its indifference to Ethiopia’s non-compliance with the internationally witnessed and endorsed border ruling.

          • teweldino

            Ok. What would be your answer if the understanding and position of the
            international community remains as it has been for the past 12 years
            (i.e, the actions of international community variable being equal)?

          • Abraham Hanibal

            It depends on whether the Ethiopian people succeeds to form a real democratic government that abides by international treaties it signs. Why are you trying to connect PFDJ and Badme. PFDJ is a tyrannical entity ruling Eritrea by force, while Badme is a town that has been awarded to Eritrea through the international arbitration, and it belongs to the Eritrean people, not the PFDJ.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            It depends on whether the Ethiopian people succeeds to form a real democratic government that abides by international treaties it signs. Why are you trying to connect PFDJ and Badme? PFDJ is a tyrannical entity ruling Eritrea by force, while Badme is a town that has been awarded to Eritrea through the international arbitration, and it belongs to the Eritrean people, not the PFDJ.

          • teweldino

            What would your answer be if the the Ethiopian people are to remain under the current government for the near future (i.e, the Ethiopian government variable being equal)?

  • selam

    Hi yoty topy

    This is the realty and i do not mean to say bad things about ethiopia , it is just the truth for example ,protests by members of some Muslim communities against perceived government
    interference in their religious affairs continued in 2014, albeit with less frequency.
    As in
    2013, these protests were met by excessive force and arbitrary arrests from security forces.
    The trials continue of the 29 protest leaders who were arrested and charged under the AntiTerrorism
    Proclamation in July 2012.

    In April and May, protests erupted in towns throughout the region of Oromia against the
    planned expansion of Addis Ababa’s municipal boundary into Oromia. Security personnel
    used excessive force, including live ammunition, against protesters in several cities. At
    least several dozen people were confirmed dead and hundreds were arrested. Many of
    them remain in custody without charge.
    Restrictions on human rights monitoring and on independent media make it difficult to
    ascertain the precise extent of casualties and arrests. Foreign journalists who attempted to
    reach the demonstrations were turned away or detained by security personnel. Ethnic
    Oromos make up approximately 45 percent of Ethiopia’s population and are often
    arbitrarily arrested and accused of belonging to the banned Oromo Liberation Front (OLF).

    • Kokhob Selam

      Selam, really really I am wondering how EPRDF has managed to lead such big country with a lot ethnic groups and long history with different back ground. they receive the poorest country with a lot of challenges additional to chauvinism and revenges of society. just simple homework for you, if it was EPLF that handles Ethiopia what could have happened? I think, by now Ethiopia could have been history. now again imagine it is EPRDF who handled Eritrea what could happen ? Eritrea could have been like Japan.

      from 5 million people of Eritrea at least say 100,0000 are refuges in Ethiopia. if EPLF lead 80 million Ethiopians the refuges you will see in Eritrea are 1,600,0000. this is only in Eritrea, then those in Sudan in other countries etc. we didn’t still talk about those who will be arrested and those killed, we didn’t touch those who cross the oceans etc….

      again we Eritreans have 2 religion and maximum of 13 ethnic groups (only listed as 9 still). so no comparison. EPRDF with all its weakness is doing fine comparing to EPLF.

      • selam

        13 ethnic groups in eritrea ? I have no recollection except the 10 once

        EPRDF are not that much different from HGDEF either , ask the 45% of ethiopian people ,oromo people they will tell you how they view EPRDF . EPRDF has the advantage of being the big once and get greater attention in the out side world unless they could have been thrown out from power if not the deaf ear from west.

        EPRF could not make eritrea like japan because the way they rule is totally not that much different than HGDEF. we can not underestmate the huge international political help and financial help they get , imagine 45% of their budget is from aid.

        • Kokhob Selam

          regarding Ethnic groups lets wait and see what our people will do about it.

          regarding help, it is how you deal. it is how much trustful you are. if in one time your life you become poor having children to feed, while you are working hard you may borrow form your beloved relatives till the right time come. and when I see it internationally the game of money needs mind. EPLF can’t lead even small establishment. believe the way I see it their way is very much corrupted. they are thieves and no single nation is able to deal with them.

          • selam

            Yes i agree EPLF are guilty of every thing and i do not debate that. Actually they are the most criminal and corrupted group in this planet at the moment. So lets drop that for now. But to say TPLF as a brilliant and transparent leaders is just no fair to the most ethiopian people. Most ethiopin people do not aprove to be lead by the smallest group in Ethiopia unless they are using a big stick and a big smear campaign.

            If they are transparent and they love peace they should have allowed the international rule of the border issue with Eritrea. We could have wiped out HGDEF so long ago.

          • Kokhob Selam

            now boarder issue is different. yet, can that stop us form progressing? can that stop us from developing our nation? can that stop us from having constitution? shall we arrest all our people because of Badme? it is the other way round. you should make peace with your people, let the people chose their leadership.let the young learn and work. let the world love you etc.

            it seems to me PFDJ is using this boarder issue till the country become a failed stae as nation and go back to Ethiopia…Lol.

          • selam

            The only thing HGDEF use to hold on power is the border issue . Lets assume the implementation of our 1997 constitution was in place and lets assume even HGDEF win election two times but not like 23 years. I think it is fair to say that TPLF also want a weak eritrea , they could not imagine a democratic eritrea and will hold power. so even we on the opposition should demand our land and live with respect with our brothers in ethiopia.

            Eritrea is a soverien state and that is it i mean no going back.

          • Kokhob Selam

            What ever the case you need to be a politician with clear principle. you see, the first thing to do is to solve your internal problem. the 2nd very important to do is to solve your internal problem it goes on. if you treat me very bad you should know two things will happen, if possible I will go away from you. if I can’t sure I will treat you the same. Badme is under Ethiopia, so is the entire nation under PFDJ. it is having alive nation that will allow me to bring back Badme. even Ethiopians will not stay more they will leave if I see me advancing, they know they can get more advantage when we prosperous…simply they can have good business united with us using our see ports. now what they care more is about their own progress until we start to wake up.

          • selam

            At this time with leaders in Asmera and the opposition groups outside Eritrea i can not see the things you are saying is possible .The reason is that we lack discipline and the will to talk on open air just chairs in between. Imagine HGDEF have a lot of supporters and i have no idea how they sleep at night , And i am afraid we will go down to the hand solution because we are totally stupid and we will do the most ugly thing.

          • Kokhob Selam

            No, no Selam, we are Habesha we have one quality that you will not find it anywhere else. it seems impossible but it is going on slowly to the correct direction. I am wondering since ever how that leadership was created among us. in fact all those years prolonged life of PFDJ is due to our kindness. we are really nice people and one day PFDJ will go out of Eritrea without mach problems you and some are thinking about. we are not going to suffer like Libyans or Syrians etc. we are not going to allow any external power to inter in our case, Never, even those PFDJ leaders are not going to stay when there when the day comes. believe me, I am around watching carefully Eritrea will give a lesson on how to solve conflicts to the world, and with no time we will reach where Ethiopia has reached. you will see us very much attached with our brothers over there. don’t worry on that. don’t give up, why should you if the elders who work form long time to accomplish this target didn’t became tired.

          • selam

            I can tell you here in Eritrea i am really worried about turning on our hand because here in Eritrea the guns are all over and some of the oppositions are giving HGDEF to spread guns all over .
            For example in Goluge and haykota HGDEF is giving seminars spreading lies over lies about the opposition . and the people are saying every which one is better ? Lets hope every thing you said will be the things that will happen.

          • Kokhob Selam

            They are worried and this is the reason they move in such way. but as they have killed the constitution with out announcing it is dead, we have been killing them slowly from long time. soon PFDJ is empty and they will remain without choice. take my words.

          • Semere Andom

            Kokhobay:

            From your lips to God’s ears!. But all is not that rosy . Dr. Sara captured is nicely, “we have a problem.” I agree with the qualities that you mentioned, but am afraid they have been eroded and that is how PFDJ has flourished. We are human beings after all and if you hear the crimes the people committed on each other, you will be shocked: a former tegadalai and his wife asphyxxiation his mom to claim the house she bought for her retirement, a brother who bribed officials to change the ownership to his name and so on.

            We are just like the Libyans, just like the Somalis, just like the Rawandans, We are human being, we are fragile, our only safest of action is not be nice to each other, not be cordial, not even to be respectful, not be defferential, not be polite, all are nice and if we have them are bonus, but our only way out from the mess that PFDJ designed is the supreme reign of RULE OF LAW

          • Kokhob Selam

            I am afraid you are not right on this. if we are like others, you could have seen the revenge not only today but long back. what does it take to make mess in Asmara. what is remaining for some of us who lost everything from the beginning. Lost education years, injured badly, lost inherited land, to shorten, if those who lost everything go for revenge Eritrea could have been in mess. but because of our original ethics we are save. How about now isn’t the world ready to supply you anything you want, and watch you killing each other? but we Eritreans don’t agree in all that. so I am very optimistic one day the slowly going development will give us smooth way of reaching where we want. I am sure. see, there is one very critical journey handled carefully before we reach to rule of law days.it seems dream but remember me and don’t forget to say congratulation Kokhob

        • Kokhob Selam

          please see how Meles use to think of external aid. see to the last. what you see in Ethiopia is planned earlier.

          http://www.yehabesha.com/view/5005/Secrets-of-greatness-The-Story-Of-Prime-Minister-Meles-Zenawi.html

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhob Selam,

            The link explains how Meles was a visionary leader. Many international leaders and scholars have testified his ingenuity just in the clip. What a great mind and great leader he was. RIP.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Emma:
            You can see the roots are important, how they resolved the Ghiday Z and Co disagreement, “mengedu cherq….” one of his fav lines. Those roots matter. Also his facing head on those who hide behind the old civilization while starting, asking hard questions, why we are beggars, his study of economics, his clarion for not separating development from democracy re the hall marks of his legacy.
            Lessons for us: we stop hiding behind Fenkel, hidding behind Nadew and face our demons

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi sem,

            Yes indeed. We shouldn’t live on past glory. Those glories are the outcome against the challenges of the past era. The challenges of the past is not the same as the challenges of today. So far we have failed to met the current challenges, but we never stop singing on the past glory. Very sad.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yep, I learn from his history how big is the role of such great minds in history society. Africa lost a very highly creative man.

  • selam

    Why i support the good things in ethiopia ? I support it because it is good for the ethiopian people and i support it because it is the right thing to do. I hope they can be the force to be rocken and i hope they do it all well But it can not be as if nothing bad is not happening and i still remain to tell my ethiopian friends that lets hope that Ethiopia should not be like Eritrea , because if that happens we are going to have 100 years to correct it.

    But we have to tell the news at it happen so allow me to say the following.

    The Ethiopian government fell back on tried and true measures to muzzle any perceived dissent in 2014. Journalists and dissenters suffered most, snuffing out any hope that the government would widen political space ahead of the May 2015 elections.The government’s crackdown on free expression in 2014 is a bad sign for elections in 2015

    The authorities have been displacing indigenous populations without appropriate consultation or compensation in the lower Omo Valley to make way for the development of sugar plantations. Villagers and activists who have questioned the development plans face arrest and harassment.

    Media remain under a government stranglehold, with many journalists having to choose between self-censorship, harassment and arrest, and exile. In 2014, dozens of journalists fled the country following threats. In July, the government charged seven bloggers known as Zone 9 and three journalists under the abusive Anti-Terrorism Proclamation. In August, the owners of six private publications were charged under the criminal code following threats against their publications. The government blocks websites and blogs and regularly monitors and records telephone calls.Ethiopia’s dismal rights record faced little criticism from donor countries in 2014. Throughout the year, state security forces harassed and detained leaders and supporters of Ethiopian opposition parties. Security personnel responded to protests in Oromia in April and May with excessive force, resulting in the deaths of at least several dozen people, and the arrests of hundreds more. The authorities regularly blocked the Semawayi (Blue) Party’s attempts to hold protests.

    • Yoty Topy

      AKA….ESAT talking points.

      • selam

        No this is suporetd by international human rights and international news , i differ to say things from ESAT or what so ever. This is real and you should not fear the real things but you need to work on improving them.

        • Yoty Topy

          Fair is fair and they should be criticized for their shortcomings,but when you chronicle only their deficits , one might get the impression that you are out to get them despite of your well intentions.

          • selam

            Why will i wish bad things to my brothers and sisters . we are interconnected no matter what the political pundits ,the lazy and useless politicians think and do. So Let me clear this , the Ethiopian people deserve every thing from the development book. But at this date and time The whole ethiopians should not drawn by this bonanza , they should demand more ,that is my take.

          • Kokhob Selam

            now that is very fine, you are supper on the top. This makes you different from Nitiricc’s co. one thing more if you wish good for Ethiopians and want them to go a head more, you should thinking also for Eritrea to start and do what Ethiopians has done. start to fully accept that we deserve a legal government and we need a complete change. when you want to cure sickness you should cure it from the root. we don’t need pain killer we need germ killer.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Missing The Forest For The Tree
    Mr. Tewekel, let me say the following regarding the TPLF and the Eritrean Revolution:
    A) The fact of the matter is that the TPLF has enjoyed the support of the Eritrean Revolution. This is an established fact even those who are tirelessly trying to revise the history of the Eritrean Revolution can never deny. What the Eritrean Revolution offered to the TPLF was not mere support of materiel, but something else that is exceedingly difficult to quantify. And, that is: The Eritrean Revolution in general and the EPLF in particular offered the TPLF a MODEL as in something to copy and apply without the going through the trial and error process of finding something that perfectly works and applies in your situations. I am not making this up, as it was attested by Ayte Sebhat Nega in his interview with the EPLF’s official organ, Fitsametat, right after the Sixth Dergue Offensive aka The Red Star Campaign. In it, Ayte Sebhat has admitted that the TPLF did not need to go too far to find a model to follow and copy when it had the EPLF’s experience right in its doorsteps. Now contrast that to what the ELF had to go through when it tried to copy and implement the “Algerian Model’ during the Five Zones time as is commonly known as ‘Zemene Kiflitat’. Anecdotally, even when Ayte Sebhat Nega came to visit the liberated areas in Eritrean, in 1978, he came without a sarong and went back to Tigray sporting a sarong wrapped around his neck. There, the Eritrean Revolution in practice offering the TPLF a model not only to copy, but actually to emulate!
    B) No one, at least I, is advocating for “ISOLATION” as a strategy for Eritrea. What I believe in is partnership through equality and equity. I oppose any domination, be it of PFDJ or TPLF. The Regional Integration as is propounded these days has the TPLF as the dominant force in the Horn and that would be precisely missing the forest for the tree. To wit, to make the TPLF the hegemons of the Horn at the expense of others. Do you think any fair minded person will fall for that? Heck NO!

    • T. Kifle

      ሂበ ዝብል ኣይሃብካ!

      • Rahwa T

        Hi T. K.

        I am imagining the age difference between Gheteb and Nitricc and can’t help asking if there is a specific gene coding for arrogance. Even the so called “Ghedim tegadalai” can’t change his mind set and arrogance despite the signs of aging, wrinkled dead skins and graying hairs.”amel mis megnez” do belu!

      • Hope

        T Kifle,
        Hakki merrar eyya.Habenna/habuna aybelnan kemeysi,natna ember zeinatna sile-zeynideli!!
        Eritrea is asking nothing but what she deserves-:
        -to be left alone
        -her Sovereignty to be respected
        -to live peacefully with her neighbors..but..NOT to be harassed,to be bullied or to be threatened/intimidated..
        is that too much to ask?
        But since Eritrea is weak and collapsing,why would you care to engage us,in your own words?
        But then why are you interfering in our business and have become sleepless—trying,dreaming,doing,etc…everything evil under the Sun????

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Hope,
          I agree with your take. Great points!

      • guest

        Indeed a profound saying and parable of our sage forefathers. I’m bending dowm my face of shame, reading ” all those freebies and favours we bestowed upon the tegarru including that piece of cloth, FU TA” to their Sebhat Negga. Couldnt we wait a couple days till they conclude their celebrations , then we remind them our genetosity to them! That saying you mentioned is reverbrated by Scriptures, ” Emba’arke n’skha ktmitzwit kellokha, kemti etom gbuzat, bseb m’enti knne’adu, ab abayitti tzelotn ab adebabayats zgebruwo, ab qdmiekha melekhet aytinfah. ‘Asbom kem zwesedu bhaqqi eblekkum allekhu” Matt 6:2…..thais also matched by, ” O antum z’amenkum, natkum mtzwat aytefrsu b’mezzekhakheri wey zelefa gierkum; kemti nbretu zhib metan k’rre’e bsebat….” Qur’an 2:264

      • ‘Gheteb

        Tsibuq ‘Nzgeberleka Wey Tsibuq Giberelu wey Dima Tsibuq ‘Ngerelu ::

        • T. Kifle

          ተጌሩልካን ፈረቓን። ግን ኣሉ ቐጣን ምስትሕንገጥ እንታይ መፍትሒ ኣለዎ? ኣመስግኑኒ ኢልካ ሓፍ በጠቕ ኣይባሃልን። ምስጋና ብጉስጢ ኣይመፅእን። ናይቲ ልግሲመጠን ብዘየገድስ ግን ምስጋና ካብ ምቕራብ ኣይቦኸርናን። ካብዚ ሓሊፍና ግን ግራ ሞሳ ኣይንዓፅደልካን። ክንምስገን እውን ኣይንደልን ምኽንያቱ ንሻዕቢያ ዝገበርናዮ ሓገዝ ብቐንዱ ንወያነና ምስ ዝነበሮ ቀጥታዊ ምትእስሳር እምበር ምእንተ ልግሲ ኢልና ዝገበርናዮ ስለዝይኮነ። ሻዕቢያ ዝገበረልና ሓገዝውን በዚ መልክዕ ኢና ንርእዮ። ሳሕል ዝኸፈልናዮ መስዋእቲ ምስ ናይ ኤርትራ ረብሓ ጥራይ ዝተኣሳስረ እንተዝኸውን ካሕስኡ ከፊልካ ዝውዳእ ኣይኮነን። ይኹን እምበር ብኡ መልክዕ ተመዚኑ ኣይፈልጥን። መምዘኒና ደርጊ ዘዳኽም ምዃኑ ጥራይ እዩ። ነዙይ እዩ ኣብ “ጌረልካ” ዝዓይነቱ ምፅብፃብ ሕቱኽቱኽ ክንብል ዘይንደሊ። ካብዙ ነገር እዙይ እንታይ መኸሰብ ክትረኽቡ ከምትደልዩ ግልፂ ኣይኮነን። ኣብ ባይታ ዘየለ ዋንነት ፍልጠትን ልግሲን ተሸኪምካ ቀንፈዘው ምባል ዝዓብስ የብሉን። ፅንብላሊዕስ ዓርሳ ዘይከደነትስ መሬት ከደነት!

          • Kokhob Selam

            ግደፉ ኣይተዛርቡና !!ሓቁ ሓቁ ከይነስምዓኩም :

            መሪሕነት ሻዕብያ ይኹኑ መሪሕነት ወያኔ ብጉርሒ ተበሊዖም እዮም ዝነበሩ: ሻዕብያ ኣብ ውሽጢ ጉዳይ ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣትያ ኣብ ምጥፋእ ተጋድሎ ሓርነት ትግራይ – ኢሓኣፓን ዝተጻወተቶ ግደ ካብ ሓልዮት ዝተበግሰ ኣይነበረን: ወያኔ ውን ኣብ ካልኣዊ ግርጭታት ገድሊ ኤርትራ ድግዲጊት ዓጢቓ ዘካየደቶ ውዲታዊ ኩናት ካብ ፍትወት ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኣይነበረን :: መጨርሽኡ ኸኣ “ክልተ ጎራሓት ሓሙኽሽቲ ስንቆም” ኮይኑ “እባብ ልባብ ይተያያሉ ካብ ለካብ ” ኣይንላዕሊ ኣይንታሕቲ ኮይኖም ይርከቡ :: እቲ ሚስጥርን ምምስጣርን ሱሩ ብዙሕ እዩ ::

            የግዳስ ወያኔ ትግራይ ዘዋጽኦም ፈሊጢም ናብ ጉዕዞ ዲሞክራሲ ምምራሾም ;እታ ናትና ኣድሓሪት ጉጅለ ኸኣ ኣብ ምግባት ምድሃባ እዩ ፍሉይ ገይርዎ ዘሎ ::

            እቲ ንቁሕን መስተብሃልን ኣብ ሕሉፍ ክነብር ፍቃደኛ ኣይኮነን : ውያኔ ትግራይ ሓደ ማእከላዊ መሪሕነት ምቅራጻን ንምሉእ ህዝቢ ኢትዮጵያው ኣሳቲፋ ከምዚ ዝኣመሰለ ኣወቃቅራ ስርዓት ምፍጣራ እዩ ፍሉይ ዝገብራ ::

            ስለዚ ብዙሕ ጉራን ጃህራን ቁሩብ እንተጎደለ ይሓይሽ ::

          • T. Kifle

            መርሓባ ኮኾብ ሰላም

            እንጣጢዕ ንዘርእለና’ዶ ጌርካያ ኮኾብ? እቱ ክርክር ብዝዕባ ውዕሎን ምስጋናን ዝምለክት’ዩ። እቱ ዘልዓልካዮ ነጥቢ ግን ወጮ እንተገልበጥካያ ወጮ እዩ። ብዛዕብኡ ኣብ መርበብ ሓበሬታ ዓወተ ካብ ዝግበኣኒ ንላዕሊ ስለዝተዛረብኩሉ ክምለሶ ኣይደልን። ግን ምእንታ ንዘረባ ክጥዕመካ ዘይተዝሓፈ እንተዘይተንብብ ንኹላትና ሰናይ ምኾነ። ምእንተ ረብሓ ኤርትራ ሓገዝ ጌርና ዝብል ቃል ኣይወፀንን።

          • Kokhob Selam

            ዓርኩ
            ዶ ድማ ? “ስነግራት ሳትሰማ ቀረች ” ይብሉ ነበሩ ጋሸ ገብሩ: ኣንታ እንታይ ድኣ ኣብዚኣ በጺሕካ ደኺምካ ? እቲ “እዚ ጌርናሎም ዶ እዚ ሂብናዮም ዶ” ዝብል ኣጉል ዘረባ ሲ ኩሉ ንጠቅመን ዝገበረኦ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ውዲት ዝመለኦ ምንባሩ እንድኣለይ ዘተንባህኩ :

          • T. Kifle

            ኮኾባይ
            ” ን ዘይሰምዓካ ቤተክርስትያንስ ዕጣንካን መባእኻን ኣይትወድእ” እንትበሃል ‘ዶ ሰሚዕካ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            ሓቅኻ ኣንታ ወረ ንስለ ነገሩ እምበር እንታይ ፍይዳ ሃልይዎ : ገለ ዶ ኾን ይስቆሮም ኢለ እንድኣለይ : መቸም ውዒሉ ሓዲሩ ኩሉ ክፍለጥ እንድ ኣሉ ::

          • ‘Gheteb

            Zeben Zihabo HamHam Emni Yisebir!

    • Hayat Adem

      what is your point? was it wrong for the tplf to grow or you are asking the return of the sarong sibhat took to tigray? it is not that i’m necessarily opposing your idea; i’m not understanding it. it seems a tone of anger that eplf, the giver is in the cold while tplf the taker is enjoying the warmth. is the “heck no” for that? can you be more direct?

      • Rahwa T

        “Alsemien gba belew”- Mr. “Gheteb” you will have an answer for your empty brag in the following links.

        1 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndp_4i3E2RQ

        2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcRO3dR-sco

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Hayat,
        Please re-read the post. If you have specific questions and based on what I have written, I will gladly respond to your queries. What I don’t like, though, for someone to peel off on a tangent and bring stuff that have not even crossed my mind.
        Regards

    • Kokhob Selam

      No question TPLF has got a lot from Eritrean fronts. but there is nothing wrong on that. after all EPLF have used even the innocent souls against ELF. Eritreans fronts in general and EPLF in particular have failed in solving internal conflicts and TPLF leadership will not be free from crime in interfering. I don’t agree that TPLF was good in solving Ethiopian parties differences ether, Yet, something happened in one historical era of TPLF, closing all chapters of the past complected journey they came to realize EPLF is useless front and they went out of their narrow tendencies of Tigray and they start to think of Ethiopia. I believe people like Meles has done good job in changing their way and this is what we are witnessing today.

      EPLF remain yes, useless front while TPLF went extra miles building their country. it is amazing . . .the progress we are watching is suppose to be in Eritrea than in Ethiopia as the start for Ethiopians was not easy but it was simple for Eritreans. it is unfortunate to end up with EPLF leadership.

      • selam

        Ethiopia is one of the largest recipients of donor aid in Africa, receiving almost US$4
        billion in 2014, which amounted to approximately 45 percent of its budget. Donors remain
        muted in their criticism of Ethiopia’s human rights record and took little meaningful action
        to investigate allegations of abuses. Donors, including the World Bank, have yet to take 6
        the necessary measures to ensure that their development aid does not contribute to or
        exacerbate human rights problems in Ethiopia. That kind of news also should explained.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Kokhob Selam,
        Thank you for the feedback. I agree with your take here. About the one thing I am not clear is when you said, “after all EPLF used even the innocent souls against ELF”. Who are the “innocent souls” here Kokhob Selam?

        • Kokhob Selam

          TPLF fighters who dead inside Eritrea in 1980 during war with ELF joining EPLF.

    • Semere Andom

      Good point to mention the non-material support of the Eri-Ghedli to the Woyanes, a fresh air from the “temeharo eyom nerom kisab shire, qata ayetseryun kisab shiwa” Having said that however, this fact says more positive thing about the TPLF than the Eri ghedli or EPLF as that is why people go to school to study what other people before them did and remember that, and if they are a genius or smart they can correct falsehoods in the study or innovate on it, but learning is the key here. TPLF did not have to invent the wheel for the sake of it, just for the ride, they had a blue print.

      But what did EPLF or Eritrean learn from the “student?” that is the question. Eri-Ghedli had revolutions before it to learn from, it did learn but al the bad things of intrigue and liquidation, Ghedli was not invented by Eritreans you know. TPLF is not being hailed for their novel invention of waging war against a tyrant, just like Starbucks did not or create coffee or the drinking of it, they innovated it at least in NA and made millions while small joints stagnated when they were making and selling coffee way before Starbucks was around. I do not think the reported glamorized or romanticized TPLF in this report, with little affection and admiration he told their story, a story of learning, a story of triumph of against all odds, a story of ups and downs, a story of painful process that is showing a little promise to succeed, not guaranteed, but TPLF’s story is an Ethiopian story and Ethiopia is better than it has ever been in its history.

      As o the regional integration , still nascent but EU took about 60 years of making and it was started by few visionaries. Again Ethiopia has EU to learn from and avoid the same mistakes when customizing the experience of EU for Africa, but Africa’s problem is the littering of its house with dictators like IA and his friends, that is the first business for Africans, behead all dictators publicly so no dictator shall walk this beautiful continent ever and if that leaderships come from the “Debebitawian”, who cares it even can come from the monkeys and elephants that grace the continent.

      Mohammed Tewekle is an Eritrean, a former freedom figher, a former journalist in Eritrean, he is reporting a celebrations of TPLF not by choice but he cannot do the same for f Eritrea’s armed struggle, that sums it up, Eritrea does not celebrate its armed struggle under PFDJ to pay tribute to its founders and fallen, it commercializes the events and reports itself glamorously and legislative body is not part of the lexicon

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Mr. Semere,
        Thanks for the feedback, Mr. Semere. While I agree with some of the points you raised such as learning from others experience or applying models to ones specific conditions, I take issues with your implication that the Eritrean revolution learned “all the bad things of intrigue and liquidation”. You are absolutely right that the likes of Mr. Afeworki of EPLF/PFDJ may have picked up some “bad lessons” during their sojourn in China. However, there were others who have gleaned the right stuff that not only helped in assuring the success of the Eritrean Gedli, but in making the Eritrean Revolution worthy of emulation by others. The TPLF is a case in point. Regarding the issue of integration, here is my bedrock principle: I don’t care whether the TPLF is modeling it after the EU or some other supernal forces, so far as it is not based in equality and equity, I don’t see any use for it. One doesn’t partner with someone who doesn’t want to abide by the very agreement he or she has signed on. I am serious here. Unless the TPLF respects the Hagues Border commission final and binding decision, I would never support any arrangement with such an entity whether it is called regional integration or Weyane domination. The thing is if they have flagrantly reneged on the very final and binding agreement they signed on, what is your guarantee that they are going to abide by the very ‘regional integration’ plan they are trying to peddle these days?

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Gheteb:
          I agree with you regarding Ethiopia’s refusal to withdraw from the Eritrean territories awarded to Eritrea, I also agree on the bad taste it leaves when Ethiopia leads the so called integrations, but withdrawal or not, is irrelevant to our security, our peace of mind and our development, it is also irrelevant how cruel PFDJ is towards us, and their withdrawal has no bearing on Eritrea’s success. The Eri ghedli succeeded despite the occupation, while 90% of our land was occupied. People lived their lives, married, died, were born, and studied and so on.

          The piece of the real state that Ethiopia is occupying is irrelevant to our predicament, negligible contribution to our almost failed state status, has no bearing to our anguished desire to clamour for the suicidal exodus.

          Ethiopians have tasted life without Assab and it is savoury, prospered without Assab and it is real, developed without PFDJ and it is enlightening. Eritrea is not a threat to Ethiopia, to any aspect of its being, its security, its development and its democratization. Ethiopia has left Eritreans and PFDJ to the dust, the first to hang on past victories and wallow in its smarmy arrogance and the later to lick its wounds from the humiliation of the war it waged. Eritrea is a threate to Ethiopia only in its complete failed and disintegrated state and whether we like it or not Ethiopia will have an influence on the change that will come in Eritrea; we better be prepared for it, it is just the hard cold truth. This is not defeatist thinking, it realist thinking, we can shrug our shoulders, we can smirk about it, telling ourselves we will be ok, but getting obsessed with the withdrawal is just silly, for all I know we will one day wakeup and find Ethiopia has withdrawn, then what? It is also irrelevant to their security, they are doing it just because they can and PFDJ and Eritreans cannot do anything about it

    • Abinet

      A successful teacher is th one who produces a better achieving citizens than himself. EPLF was the best teacher if that makes you feel better. I’m sure nothing makes Dr Sara happier than to see her students achieve better than her. Try to see it from mentor/ apprentice point of view and rejoice with tplf because it is also EPLF ‘s success.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Mr. Abinet that is not the best Abinet you can come up with. However, I understand the spirit of your message and for that my friend, Abinet, kudos to you!

    • Wudmatas

      You have a distorted outlook about EPLF. I don’t think you have the rigt information about the relationship between the two fronts either. It is true EPLF is older and it is also true that EPLF provided some training to few (but they are not more than 5 or 6) members of TPLF. You can research the names of these guys if you really want to know the truth. Other than that TPLF was providing help to EPLF in finance, militry, and even advice. To your surprise, EPLF was doing a number of mischievous activities to undermine the armed struggle of TPLF. For your general knowledge, EPLF even blocked roads to hinder the passage of aid food supply that was aimed to reach severly starving people in the area. Please, read more to discover about the nature of EPLF and its leader.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Yeah you are absolutely right the “EPLF trained 5 to 6 members of the TPLF” , Now tell that to the thousands, let me repeat it THOUSNADS, of TPLF Tegadelti that were trained in Sahel in 1980-81. There, you see how you don’t have a “distorted outlook”.

  • selam
  • Mohamed Tawakel

    Barking up the wrong tree!

    I was really amazed by the kind of reactions my brief
    account of the TPLF 40th anniversary yesterday in Mekele triggered.
    I gave time to read most of the comments that tried to argue against my writing
    and both who downright call me names. Happy you reacted in whatever ways you
    found it fit.

    But the truth was that I did not attempt to give comments on
    yesterday’s TPLF anniversary. What I did – it is in black and white for all of
    you who want to refer back – is just a description of what I saw on the spot.

    It is not right to argue on matters of fact!

    There were foreign dignitaries including Presidents and
    Prime Ministers that honored the event and the topic of regional integration
    took center-stage – all these are for a fact.

    For my detractors who alleged that I was shy to write about
    the support Eritrean fighters gave to TPLF during the armed struggle, this has
    almost become a cliché. Last year, Sibhat Nega in an interview said TPLF had
    received support from the Eritrean armed struggle which began decades before.
    And he said Sudan also provided crucial support to the TPLF armed struggle.

    But the point I want to make here is let us not remain
    looking backwards for whatever we miss out on these days. No external party is
    responsible for the bad governance that prevailed to date in Eritrea. Eritrea
    after a hard won independence has become under the manipulation of one man.

    I have been closely following the progress (or lack of it)
    in several horn of Africa countries and sad to say all except Eritrea are
    making real progress.

    The issue here is what happens to Eritrea and Eritreans. And
    discourse should focus on what should be done to lift Eritrea from the
    condition it is in now. Eritrea is rapidly losing its young generation who
    migrated in search of better livelihoods.

    Ironically, TPLF is a party that wholeheartedly supported
    Eritrea in its independence drive. Eritreans supported TPLF during the armed
    struggle and the latter helped the former formalize and finalize its
    independence drive.

    Eritrea should have made better use of the independence. But
    those who are at the helm in Eritrea fail to do that. In effect, they dragged
    Eritrea out of the common wealth of Horn of African nation.

    Calling this writer names does not right the numerous wrongs
    done. It is only barking up the wrong tree.

    And the time does not prescribe ISOLATION!!!

    • selam
    • Peace!

      Hi Mohammed,

      “your enemy’s enemy is your friend” is a clever way of saying that you and your enemy’s enemy have a common interest, and therefore, you have to put your difference aside and work together. Make no mistake the Weyanes are determined to keep Eritrea weak,just exactly what they are doing in Somalia. So, the conclusion to the logic is quagmire.

      Peace!

    • Nitricc

      sir you have the audacity to tell us “Barking up the wrong tree!” who is Barking on the wrong tree? this is Eritrean web-site why are you barking up on this web site with Weyane news? as a journalist you should know who your audience; for instance who your audience on this web site? don’t you think you will have s prefect audience if you have posted it on Aiga, Tigray-online and where ever your master desired to be seen and read? talk about Barking up the wrong tree? you must be the most high profiled journalist to report from Mekkele; if you catch my drift. so, sir, no one cares about a washed out journalist who is reporting from Mekkele. please next time, post it where you can be admired and appreciated for your hard labored article from mekkele. hint; Aiga and tigray on line. have some class. leave us alone, it is your right to kiss up to weyane and it is our right to be left alone. good luck in Mekele.

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Dear Mr. Tewekel;

      You’ve made good points, but I would like to comment on your last sentence: “And the time does not prescribe ISOLATION!!!”. I don’t think the great majority of Eritreans are for isolation, they would like to live in peace with themselves and their neighbors. Unfortunately, let alone to think about integreation or collaboration with others, Eritreans couldn’t find peace among themselves, and breathe a fresh air in a country they’ve sacrificed in astronomical dimensions.
      The priority number one for Eritreans is to reclaim their dignity, that has been taken from them by the PFDJ-dictatorship, and to have a chance to lead a normal life.

  • ‘Gheteb

    To: Mohammed Taha Tewekel et al:
    I am not writing this short note to congratulate the TPLF on its 40th anniversary; nor am I penning it to express any other bad feelings towards it. I am merely writing this in the hope of registering some rectification (correction) that your report, wittingly or unwittingly, seems to convey.
    A) Regarding the piece of cloth that you call “Coverlet”, I think it is called sarong or in the EPLF’s parlance “Kushukh”. Anyone even with a smattering knowledge of the Eritrean Revolution knows the ubiquity of the sarong and its utility to the combatants (Tegadelti). It was used for virtually anything. The sarong was abundantly seen/used more by the EPLF fighters than ELF combatants. The TPLF copied a lot of things from the Eritrean Revolution in general and the EPLF in particular and the sarong is no exception. Even in the Eritrean Revolution, it was popularized mostly by those fighters from the Denkel region. Your report abjectly fails to mention whence the TPLF brought the idea of using the sarong. I am telling you that they copied it from the EPLF, 1978-79, if I were to guesstimate! As I said previously, the sarong was probably introduced to Eritrea by the Eritreans from the Dankel region due to their interactions through business with Malaysia and Indonesia. I am harping on this issue, as you may have heard, the passing away of Maj.General Ahmad Kakai, a veteran Denkeli fighter who was with the Sodha Ela ( PFL-1). The passing away of this bona fide Eritrean hero, of course, has brought back memories, at least to me. I can see through my mind’s eyes, one of the hero’s of the Eritrean Revolution, the martyred Hillal, an Eritrean fighter from the Dankel region, with a saong wrapped around his head in one of the meetings that was held in ‘Gheteb. As you may recall, the legislative body of PFL-1 (Sodha Ela) and PFL-2 (Selfi Natsnet) was called “The ‘Gheteb Legislative body” or in Tigrigna “Hagagi Akal ‘Gheteb”. It was in those meetings in the early seventies (72-74) that I can see through my mental eyes the likes of Hillal and other Denkeli Eritrean fighters with a sarong wrapped around their heads or using it between their knees and their backs as a perfect prop or support. It is the symbolism of this “piece of cloth”, sarong, that I consider to be an essential part of the Eritrean Revolution, and that is why I have opted to write this note in the hope of correcting some egregious revisionism in your report.
    B) ‘The regional integration’ that is mentioned in your report, without mincing words, is a hogwash. The TPLF/EPRDF led Ethiopian government, if they are to be seriously believed in all their ‘regional integration utterances’, they have to accept the Hague’s Border Commission decisions and MUST abide by it. Mind you, not by anything else, but by unconditionally withdrawing from sovereign Eritrean territories. This has absolutely nothing to do with the PFDJ regime in Eritrea and has everything to do with Eritrea as a nation and above all it is about what I dub as “Historical Justice”. What I also want to say about the much vaunted “regional integration” as it is mentioned in your report is nothing more than what the TPLF told the whole world in the early 90s. During one of the hearing in the US House of Representatives- a subcommittee of African Affairs– a TPLF’s RICE representative has told the committee that it was the TPLF’s mission to change not only Ethiopia but the whole region of The Horn Of Africa. This TPLF’s strategy is a vehicle that they are using to ensure their domination of the region and to institute themselves as the true hegemon of the Horn Of Africa. That, my friends, ain’t the recipe for peace, justice and stability in the Horn. Hence why I oppose it wholeheartedly!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Gheteb,

      Thank you for evoking the memory of “Kushuk” one of the markers of Tegadaltia in the Eritrean ghedli. And thank you for the informative take of its history. Is your nickname “Gheteb” of a particular or significant “historical place” in the Eritrean ghedli?

      Regards,

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Amanuel.
        Let me say the following regarding ‘Gheteb. I am not precisely sure if I can give you its exact longitudinal and latitudinal location or pinpoint it through a Google map. However, here is what I have so far come to know. ‘Gheteb is located in Sahel, Eritrea. It falls probably in the vicinities of Arrag, Gereger Asmara, TigH and not very far from the Sudanese/Sahel border. It’s historical significance, so far as I am concerned, is this: It was in this very piece of Eritrea’s sacred land that “The Legislative Body’ of the two groups of the PFL (Popular Forces) — Hzbawi Hailitat — met. If my memory serves me correct, the PFL-1 ( The Sodha Ela group) through a democratic process ( Some say it took a three days meetings) elected 30 representatives and the PFL-2 ( Selfi-Natsnet group), in contrast, its 30 representatives were SELECTED and not democratically elected. This legislative body was commonly known as the “The Legislative Body of ‘Gheteb” or in Tignrigna as “Hagagi Akal ‘Gheteb. As you can easily see, dear Amanuel, it is the mere fact that this body was intended to function as a “legislative organ”, the very rudiment of democratic governance, and I have to admit that I am enamored with this very specific name and opted to use ‘Gheteb as my “nickname”.
        Regards,
        ‘Gheteb

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Gheteb,

          I hope you don’t mind to ask you further and enlighten us a little more history. You told us that the two PLFs’ had formed a legislative body made up of 60 representatives of the two organization. I presume, it is around 1972 when ELF was hunting them as “counter-revolutionaries.” Now my question to you is: does that imply also, they had an executive body to execute the program or the strategy and lead or defend the organization? If so how does they chose them? The info I had from members of the organizations in early 1976 (Moges Fasil & Amanuel wedi Keshi***), when I was in sahel ( for short period) was in fact, that they had a “field-command-leadership” of nine (three from each of the three PLFs’) to lead the united front you had at that time; while Sabe and his colleagues in the foreign mission haven’t had any “organizational centralism attachment” to that of the “field-leadership.” Can you please shake up these seemingly contradictory info I have, into a plausible understanding how the democratic centralism of PLF at that time was functioning? I have visited Arrag, Gereger, Halibet, Maret, Narro areas, Rora-habab area(where I met Bitsay Goitom). I also went through Fah & Bilekat on my way to Narro.

          *** They were tekatatali mela and militray leader respectively of the botoleni stationed around Algena.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            First of, Amanuel, I was not a member or PFL (Hizbawi Hailitat) fighter in those years. So, all the information I am sharing is from my personal research ( reading/ testimonials) and the stories I heard from other older/veteran fighters. You are right, Amanuel, the PFL had an executive body composed of about 7 or 9, I am not sure, but I think it was formed in what is known as “The Qebir Woat meeting” ( Akheba Qebir Woat). That was the executive body which was also known as the “field-command leadership”. My understanding of how the “organizational centralism” worked was actually through the works of The Secret Marxist Party within the PFL under the Chairmanship of Issais Afeworki who was also the chairman of the “field-command leadership”. If I am not mistaken, all 6 out of the 7, “field-command leadership” were also members of the The Secret Party within the PLF that was founded in Gedem sometime in 1970.
            Regards

    • Saleh Johar

      Dear Gheteb,
      Thank for the info about Gheteb. I almost forgot about it until you mentioned it.

      On the Sarong, let me add a little info.

      It is very common in many parts of the world including Srilanka, India,Yemen and all the Gulf states. In Africa it is common in all coastal regions of Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea–all the fishermen and sailors use it and it is considered thief main clothing material. Even I. Ethiopia it’s used, they call it FuTa. Therefore, the Afaris, and the Sabo of the coastL regions, and Somalis used it long before the eritrean combatants. ELF combatants used it as early as the seventies when they established bases there and those who come from that area were using it even in Barka where it got the name Kushuk for its small size after the militRy cup. The EPLF brought it em mass and further popularized it. But it goes way before 78.

      On Kakay: he is not Denkeli but from the Saho tribes, Bet Tewekel branch to be exact… Zula and Foro is their home.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Thanks for the correction on the recently departed Maj. General Ahmed Kakay. I always thought that he was a Denkeli and don’t ask me why. Anyway, thanks again for the correction, Saleh!

    • Hope

      Gheteb,
      Thank you for reading my mind and expressing it on my behalf.
      Well said,indeed.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Hope,
        Thank you and you are indeed very welcome, my brother!

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb,
      Is there one thing, one thing, the EPLF/PFDJ learned from TPLF other than counting the lessons the TPLF learned from the EPLF?

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Hayat,

        How dare you ask this blasphemy? A teacher is there to teach the lessons. 🙂

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Hayat,
        Well, I am not sure if I can encapsulate the lessons that the EPLF/PFDJ learned from the TPLF in “one thing, one thing”. I am honest enough to tell you openly that the EPLF/PFDJ learned many lessons from its interactions or lack thereof with the TPLF. The lessons are far too many to enumerate right now as I am under time constraint. But I am more than happy to continue this exchange later on.
        Regards

        • Hayat Adem

          I’ll look forward to seeing you back taking it from where you stopped when your time allows.
          Best, Hayat

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Hayat
            Allow me to first start with what the EPLF learned from it’s interactions with the TPLF prior to Eritrea’s independence and before the EPLF morphed into the current PFDJ.
            1) The EPLF quickly learned that it’s alliance with the TPLF was beneficial because it helped in the marginalization of other Ethiopian armed groups such as the EPRP, EDU….which were not supportive of Eritrea’s quest for self-determination.
            2) The EPLF gleaned some lessons from the TPLF’s effective strategy of mass mobilization and recruitment. The TPLF grew fast in all aspects and was able to not only to mobilize the population of Tigray, but also to rally behind it. That was an amazing feat and the lesson was not lost to the EPLF.
            3) Diplomatically, the TPLF has outshined the EPLF in the early 80s and some within the EPLF could only look at TPLF’s stunning diplomatic acumen with utter admiration. The astuteness of such a move by the TPLF was amply displayed in its relation with Saudi Arabia. Mind you, it was the very EPLF that helped and introduced the TPLF in opening an office in Saudi Arabia. However, due to its undiplomatic and aggressive stances towards the Saudi’s, the EPLF’s office was virtually closed while the TPLF’s was not only open, it was also able to foster beneficial relationship with the Saudis. After learning the lesson the hard way, I guess, the EPLF was able to mend fences with the Saudi’s and therefore was able to resume its diplomatic activities there.
            4) Militarily, I assume that the TPLF has played both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE roles in Eritrea.
            Positive because of its role in the foiling of the Sixth Offensive and negative because of its role in collaborating with the EPLF in the military defeat of the ELF.
            I can go on enumerating the lessons that the EPLF has learned from the EPLF. The thing is that in any interaction, both sides learn from each other. Here in my exchange with you, I have to admit that, I am learning something and that I can say that with certainty.
            In regards to what the PFDJ may have learned or should have learned from the TPLF, I have to say that they are a dime a dozen and may be too many to list here. But here is ‘My Reader’s Digest Version’ of it: The PFDJ knows full well how it was not only outsmarted, but totally outmaneuvered by the TPLF so much so that, it is now reprising (repeating) the very same historical mistake that Mr. Afeworki ( PFDJ’s strongman) and his Co. made some four decades (40 years) ago. And just to drop you a hint it has to do with TPDM and my take on it? maybe some other time.

      • Gherhi

        Hayat Adem, you defend TPLF time and again. Why do you care?

        I am as staunch a proponent as there is of peaceful co-existence or existing together with Ethiopia if and when a conducive environment is achieved. But defending TPLF is just as bad as defending PFDJ. TPLF doesn’t have the Eritrean people’s safety and well-being in its front page agenda. They may not be as antagonistic as they used to be but TPLF will never put the interest of the Eritrean people in front of anything else they have in mind. So if you are an Eritrean, why would you side with them and defend them every single time that acronym is mentioned? I suspect you are at least half Tigrayan and also married to a Tigrayan. That is not an issue for me but state your agenda clearly and let us judge your take based on exactly who is your favorite child, Eritreans or Tigrayans?

        Needless to say, TPLF doesn’t need any defending from any Eritrean. They are doing quite well on their own because they are shrewd and agile and flexible – which is the opposite of PFDJ – dull, arrogant, inflexible, and downright stupid.

        Lastly, EPLF and TPLF helped each other to the extent they were capable of scratching each other’s back but it is not hard to see that there was a deep mistrust of each other. Case in point – Badme in the late 70’s early 80’s. They were letting things go with the flow to not open a can of worms. But in the end they did and both paid dearly for it, more so the poor Eritrean people. I love Eritreans and Ethiopians but EPLF and TPLF, we could do better without both of them. They both have their narrow interests ahead of the people they claim to represent.

        • Kokhob Selam

          EPLF came from ELF. that means EPLF is a continuation of ELF. historically speaking it represents the struggle from 1961, EPLF continue in the same way they went through during national struggle. we all know how EPLF leadership was functioning. TPLF use to learn from their actions and corrected a lot. they managed and lead Ethiopia joining others. they progress, to some level they start to advance. EPLF? so it is natural to see people encouraging the advancing side unless some one is corrupted.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Gherhi,
          Allow me to entertain you with a prelude. There was one EPRDF diplomat whose interview I read recently. He is funny and witty, the entire interview is funny, it was was published in 1998, but I happen to read it later.
          This diplomat was condemning two Ethiopian opposition parties for not supporting “the defensive war Ethiopia was forced dragged to to undo aggression”. He was criticizing the two for declaring the war was Weyane’s alone and it has nothing todo with Ethiopia. The journalist asked him, “what about the rest of the opposition parties other than these two?” To that he said, others had more or less rallied behind the Ethiopian governments war effort as it should be. Then, the journalist asked this: “but even if they are supporting, they are calling for the goal of the war to include as far as reclaiming the Red Sea. They are criticizing EPRDF for cutting the scope of the war short of its natural course and only up to regaining the occupied territories along the border line. What do you say?” To that the diplomat answered, “These are fundametally better than the former ones. At least, with these ones, we can go up to Zalanbessa together and from there on, they can continue on their own if they want to”.

          Sorry for going a bit long on this: lets hate PFDJ together and you can go solo on TPLF. My point is if you really hate both organizations, and since my hate against PFDJ is real, it may seem like we are at 50% agreement. But I know that is deceptive. Because your hate against PFDJ is totally conditioned on hating the TPLF first or side by side. When it is opposing, you must remember that these are not two Eritrean parties competing for the same office. I see some Eritreans are preoccupied by the passion of hating the TPLF in the same level they hate or love PFDJ. Some of them are, I think this includes you, willing to hate to PFDJ if only there is enough hate equally apportioned against TPLF. If they fail to see the amount of hate they want to assign against TPLF, they readily regress from hating PFDJ and tempted to even tending to support it. These is an amazing behavior that may even warrant some level of psycho-social study for an interesting findings.
          My disapproval of PFDJ is total and 100%. My view on TPLF is issue by issue and it is mostly PASS. EPLF used to inspire many Eritreans and non-Eritreans. EPLF used to inspire many visionary Ethiopian forces including the TPLF. Now it is down to forces of the dark like TPDM and the like. EPLF used to inspire overwhelming majority of aspirant Eritrean youth. Now it is down to half-cooked kids like Nitricc.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hayat Adem;

            So you think this claim “These are fundamentally better than the former ones. At least, with these ones, we can go up to Zalanbessa together and from there on, they can continue on their own if they want to”, is funny and witty? In your borderless desire to defend the TPLF regime, you are exposing yousellf, and your unfair and unballanced view on the two sides, at least as far as this quote is concerned. Did the Ethiopian army stop at Badme or Zalambessa? Didn’t they continue all the way to the outskirts of Adi Quala, occupied and looted Tessenei, Barentu, Senafe, etc. Didn’t they fight to the bitter end in the deserts of Denkalia, just 30 kilometers from Assab?

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Abraham,
            You don’t have to decode me. I can always tell you what my views are on anything including on TPLF. But I honestly thought that expression was funny: going some distance together and part your way if some one wants to an extra mile:) That was a wit-flavored described common ground between Ethiopian expansionist forces and EPRDF. I was quoting and rephrasing the interview from that year.
            Yes, during the actual war theater, Ethiopia penetrated deep. And when the Ethiopians were asked by the diplomatic community why they advanced as far as Tesseney when their claim was in the Zalanbessa and the Saho area, either the chief of staff or the PM said: “in a military spatial arithemetic, the shortest distance is not always a straight distance”.

          • Gherhi

            Okay, now I don’t want to engage on a war of words but quote me where I said ‘I hate TPLF’ directly or indirectly. Moreover, it is not a precondition to hate TPLF in order to hate PFDJ. They are two different entities, very different from each other but they are both equally useless to the Eritrean people and PFDJ much more harmful to the Eritrean people. So there is an equivalence between TPLF and PFDJ to some extent as far as the Eritrean people are concerned – none of them are protectors of the Eritrean peoples interest at large. TPLF, rightfully so because their main concern is Tigray or Ethiopia (I am not so sure). But my main concern with any Eritreas is – why would any Eritrean go day in and day out of his/her way defending an entity which doesn’t care about Eritreans if not antagonistic to Eritreans? That is where my beef lies. TPLF is doing what they think is right for their program and long term agenda. That agenda, some argue, is at the expense of the Eritrean people. There is no confusion on my side here between the Ethiopian people (whom I love just as much as the Eritrean people because both peoples need love and support) and TPLF. TPLF is a party and every political party has an agenda that more or less exclusively benefits its base. That is not unfair in my mind. But why does an Eritrean go out of his/her way to defend such an organization?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Gherhi,

          What do you mean when you say “TPLF will never put the interest of the Eritrean people in front of anything else they have in mind.?” Do you have any expectation – TPLF/EPRDF to set their agenda and work for the interest of the Eritrean people before the Ethiopian people? Diplomacy is the act of “scratching each other’s back” to use your own word. Diplomacy is about working for mutual interest. Don’t you think that we have failed on how to handle mutual interest? Don’t you think that we have failed in international and regional diplomacy? Let us do our homework before we complain for others. There no foreign entity that contribute to the bad governance of our nation. It is squarely our own failure. We have to stop of relegating our failures to others.

          regards,

          • Gherhi

            Dear Amanuel, everything you said is absolutely correct. The only issue I am raising is why someone who claims to be Eritrean defends a non-Eritrean organization (and rightfully or wrongfully perceived to be a dangerous enemy at that) day in and day out.

            If Hayat was defending TPLF for the sake of the Eritrean people (based on any good deeds TPLF affords to Eritreans), then I can sympathize with her but her arguments show that her heart and soul is not with the Eritrean people.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Gherhi,

            If you could take my advice, I will tell you to avoid this nickname “gherhi,” for it has a bad political connotation. As I read your comments, that nickname isn’t appropriate to you. In any case I just want to remind you, that the current government of Ethiopia actually doing many help to our youth in Ethiopia. I am an eye witness that the government of Ethiopia has given and is still giving the opportunities for our youth to continue in higher education in all the colleges and universities available in the country. Second they have opened refugee camps for the Eritrean exodus who left our country in order the international community to give them the necessary help. Despite the enmity of the two governments, the Ethiopian government’s hospitality to our people is tremendous that one couldn’t pass by without appreciating them. The game of “politics and security” is a different game and it has its own rule of engagement. If we don’t upgrade our diplomatic acumen we can’t match them in the give and take for mutual interest. We are “force oriented” mentality than political diplomacy. We ought to change our political discourse from the “politics of war” to “politics of diplomacy.” Because from “confrontation of war” you could only harvest death and destruction, but from “diplomatic confrontation” there is always room of compromise and development.

            So in short if Hayat’s argument is factual be it an Eritrean issue or Ethiopian issue, it doesn’t bother me. What will surely bother me, if the argument is baseless and far from truth. So just seek for the facts and support or oppose on its merits. But Since I know the mind of our people, myself I wouldn’t delve in to Ethio-Eritrean political comparison. I don’t need the political-comparison argument, for the development of the countries in itself will reflect in the change of lives of the people. That will be precisely the practical contrast as to who is doing better for the people and the nation.
            regards,

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Gherhi,

            You raised important in your last paragraph. A question that keeps on coming to mind reading a lot of the comments by folks in this forum is that, is fighting for the love Eritrea and Eritreans same as hating PFDJ? Do we have to get the energy for fighting from loving Eritrea and Eritreans or from hating PFDJ? Or does this even make difference? I would like to see what you and others have to say about this.

            Also, (putting aside liking or not liking TPLF, or whether TPLF is perfect or not), your are absolutely right to ask whether one, as Eritrean, should go as far as comprising the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans to defend TPLF and their role in Eritrea. I should add that, no matter one thinks of TPLF, we should always appreciate the care and support Ethiopia is proving to quite a lot of Eritreans.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Gherhi

            Dear Fnote,

            In some sense, yes disapproval of PFDJ is almost equivalent to loving Eritrea. PFDJ is the primary or perhaps the sole cause of our current predicament. It is probably not too wild to claim that there are no Eritreans who do not love their country. So loving or hating PFDJ doesn’t have much to do with loving Eritrea – that love is there already for most Eritreans. Where do we derive our energy from? Good question. I get all the negative emotions from all the actions of PFDJ and so that is a major driving force for me. But it is not the same as hating PFDJ and loving somebody else because of that. As in the enemy of my enemy is my friend. No not like that. That would not get us forward.

            As far as TPLF goes, I have neither love nor hate for that organization. I admire their transformation. AT wrote a great article today with respect to that and what the Abay Woldu had to say. See, that is my point. It is a political party and you cannot hold it accountable as you would do the Ethiopian government. It is better to talk about Ethiopia and Eritrea at the national level than TPLF and PFDJ or other parties. This is what is leading into the chaotic situation in the Eritrean opposition organizations. I would like to take the side of the entire Ethiopian people rather than one political party.

      • Nitricc

        Deception. where do you think PIA get the idea of deception to jail and eliminate his comrades? TPLF!
        the something we learned form you; you are nothing but dumb lier. Dedebit.

  • Kaddis

    Dear T.Kfle

    Sorry to put you on the spot ; you are the closest I can get to TPLF.

    Celebrating #TPLF40 might sound interesting – but we have been doing that for the last 23 years in the same manner, with the same video footages, and worse the same message: We defeated Derg. I have been waiting until someone sensible introduce the notion of ‘ Unfortunately it was a war between Ethiopians’. This phrase could have been extended to Eritreans although Eri’s somehow advanced themselves as Eritreans before the war ended or the referendum ( another topic for another time)

    TPLF might argue – we are celebrating the achievements and the struggle etc….my take is: you are only celebrating because you have won. The reason I am referring you as a third party is because you refer the party ( Dergue and its soldiers ) you have won as a different entity than Ethiopians. You put me in an awkward position; even
    though; luckily, I personally didn’t lose any family member from any side. I am a typical Yaddisaba lij with Gurage heritage. How do you want me to celebrate #TPLF 40 without hurting my neighbours who lost their only son; fighting just on the opposite side of yours?

    Have you ever thought how TPLF legacy would have been remembered if you guys have lost. Some TPLFs tried to argue those who lost the battle early age ( EPRP, EDU …) is because they had a wrong objective or ideology. Have you noticed how TPLF changed ideological and tactical courses. I am sure you would have liked to be remembered as a group of young rebels with a progressive Ethiopia in their dreams. I am sure those who tried wishes the same wish.

    Don’t you see some parallels between #TPLF 40 and Shabia’s Fenkil celebration. It’s sending a wrong message to the citizens. TPLF/Shabia is saying: we won the war with bravery; even though it was among our brothers and sisters and we will keep on celebrating it until someone , somewhere starts celebrating another round of victory. When do you think we stop celebrating war, death, defeating one another…..

    If you manage to respond ( not a condition at all ) I can share my take in its relation to the never going away question of legitimacy of TPLF/ EPRDF government.

    • olana

      Dear Kaddis
      Indeed typical yaddisabab lij and Gurage. As an Addisababian you have no idea what atrocities were done on the people of Ethiopia in general and Tigray in particular let alone the atrocities during red terror that wiped out the youth of Addis. You may not lost anyone but you can’t dent what happened to others.

      We had celebrated the defeat of the Dergue 23 years back. The celebration will be enjoyed for the generation to come. This could happen in two ways either 1. As long as the TPLF/EPRDF party continue to deliver the need of the people or 2. Give up power democratically when the people opt for another party. These are the very purpose our martyrs sacrificed for. Yes we have won over the ‘Ethiopians’ who were killers and tyrants. The same truth will apply if the current ruling party became like a Dergue.

      • Abinet

        You won over the ethiopians? Really? Is this what you think?who are you ? So you think you are ruling over the ethiopians?
        Please , please, please tell me you are eritrean or tell me if I misunderstood you before I get sick.

        • guest

          abinet, please stop acting like as if you are protecting Ethiopia, by doing that you disgrace Ethiopia.

    • T. Kifle

      Dear
      Kaddis,
      Thank you for the call and please note that I am by no means an insider!

      To begin with I don’t necessarily share the details of the celebration as it reminisces the armed struggle where the entire media and government officials have been engaged in bringing back memories of all sorts of sacrifices
      that generation had been put through. It could have been celebrated without calling back those bad memories and without canonizing the military shots because I believe that’s not the right value we should pass on to the next generation.

      Having said that however, it seems you dichotomize the struggle between “us” and “them”, which in reality wasn’t the case. The struggle had been between an established system of a regime composed of all hues in its war machinery and the rebels composed of similar colour and mix. Many Tigreans have been right hands of the regime with a deliberate move to fight “the fire with fire”. Families were divided and killed each other without blinking the eye. You see, even within EDU and EPRP, much of the burden was on the back of the Tigreans. People frequent to talk about prominent leaders of this or that sort within the EPRP but the brunt of the war rested on Tigreans. This reminds me the in/famous Amharic adage “የሞትነውም እኛ የገደልነውም እኛ”. This is the true face of the struggle.

      Even then your concern remains true. It goes without saying that those whose family members were within the fold of the Derge if not compensated by a tegadaly, not only lost their lives(which everybody had similar opportunity), but also were ashamed following the regime change. That doesn’t mean they were particularly targeted as such but were victims, would nurse victimhood as a collateral damage as the victors celebrate their achievements year after year.

      There are so many issues the leadership seem want to kill at the same time when EPRDF decided the beginning of the struggle should be celebrated throughout the country on a declared theme of “Yekati 11 is the basis of the Ethiopian Renaissance”.

      1. Many Ethiopians have hard time to recognize the prohibitive sacrifice the Tigrean people paid in the process of pulling Ethiopia out of the quagmire it were in to where it is today. They simply can’t swallow their pride and acknowledge that that was a popular struggle that the people were so proud to give whatever it takes to see their
      revolution succeeded.

      2. Because of the cacophony of the ultra nationalists and the long standing mistrust among the elites, there is widespread perception that TPLF fought “against the strategic interests” of the country. And they wanted to
      display the details of the struggle including disclosing an otherwise classified meetings and documents and of course stocking the death toll ans show the balance sheet. We know the Amora’s interview had paid huge dividends when it was aired for the second time in the eve of the last election. They are the opinion that people (those who matter) are not informed enough the precarious situation the revolutionaries were in and much less the cost of the revolution.

      3. There is again this widespread perception that the other EPRDF partners are underdogs that the TPLF just takes them for a ride at whim. People who hold such views are not bothered about the facts on the ground that there is no constitutional leverage TPLF can misuse its powers in extra-constitutional maneuvers. So they tried to display or at least that is their wish) that the relationship within the umbrella was/is as democratic as it can get.

      4. The other single most factors is that the leadership of TPLF is badly looking for legitimizing its powers as discontents are brewing in and it is under incessant attacks from its members, the people, and the Tigray-based
      opposition through effective usage of the social media for they think it didn’t deliver to their satisfaction. Up until
      recently Tigray was the least connected state in terms of road infrastructure, attracting less number of investors, partly because of the war, and partly because it is far from the centre and the port. So they want to display their achievements before the public hoping that it will gain sympathy that would be converted to electoral votes

      5. Old habits die hard. Those who passed through that era are penchant of their old habits. Its there where they think they excel. This is part of the legitimacy issue. Some in the leadership are perceived as weak and unpopular. They must compensate it buy rising the dust and silence those who questioned their capacity to lead.

      Conclusion: I agree with you that harping on military achievements is the least we need at the time. We are quarter a century away from that point and there is no reason to live on our laurels. If it were not for their wrong choice, their achievements weren’t any less and worth celebrations in a manner palatable to many reasoning
      heads.

      Best Wishes

      • Kaddis

        Dear TKifle

        Thank you for your kind reply and glad you got my frustration. I recognise the Amhara centric elite denial of the sucrifces made by the Tigray people and rebel. TPLF have to be sure whether this is a reaction of their presentation of their victory or pure denial. Or maybe both. Because TPLF is falling for the Amhara centric policy of intimidation and irritation trap and as a result the ruling party become very defensive in the process eroding the baby democracy many died for. You see, the more you want to ensure the sucrfice made to be recognised and the more the denial continues; the defensive approach continues. People got frustrated to be ruled under a very defensive government then comes the messy revolution. Isn’t what the ultra nationalists are looking for?

        I don’t have much to add, I came back just to acknowledge your response.

        Selam Hun,

        Best,

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Kaddis,

      About he point you raised regarding the parallel between the founding anniversary of TPLF and Fenkil operation of Eritrea, I think they are quite distinct issues. TPLF/EPRDF never celebrated a battle to the best of my knowledge. . It only displays disconnected glimpses of battles field scenarios when it celebrates Yekatit 11.

    • Nitricc

      Kaddis, since I am forced to read news from Mekkele; let me comment one thing that goes with what your point is, at the risk of muddling at your affair. I do understand what you are talking about and it is natural for trends to change and pass with every generations. You will expect the TPLF bru-haha to die out with TPLF generations as they are getting old but what is troubling is the TPLF monument that is standing in Mekkele. When the new generation looks at it is natural to ask why is this monument here? What does it mean? The point is does not do you any good for your unity. Sure, the Tigryan fighters deserve the credit for their sacrifices they have made but there is a better way than a monument that ignites ethic polarization and endangers your unity. if you have one, that is?

  • selam

    The train does not cut the price of the port ,the price of freights and that is the geographical fact.
    Once the border issue is settled , i can see the current infrastructure will be not an obstacle for the Eritrean line with tigray will be on disadvantages. This is the fact. It is just fact how you want to use the money wisely not where the run way is. there are so many a bridge to no where in Ethiopia .

  • selam

    Despite the suffering of the Eritrean refugee in israel continue to increase and their voice could hardly appear in Awate.com and other Eritrean websites. I am not expecting the government websites to report on our suffering/

    what does it take to awate.com to have parallel article with the weyane regime bonanza , is this too much to ask ?
    At this moment there is clear danger eritreans can be shipped out from Israel to Eritrea .
    The israeli right wing government is determined to throw them out , Do not we have time for our brothers while we cheer on ethiopian regime propaganda machine. They did it well and it is good for them , it has nothing to do with the current danger we Eritreans are facing.

    We should ask the weyane regime to get out from eritrean land and give no reason to IA to stay and kill our people

    መንግስቲ እስራኤል፣ ኣብ ቴልኣቪቭ ኣብ ዘካየዶ ሃንደበታዊ ግፋ 10ታት ኤርትራውያንን ሱዳናውያንን ኣብ ቀይዲ ከምዘእተወ ወኪል ሬድዮ ኤረና ካብታ ከተማ ሓቢሩ።
    እቲ ግፋ፣ ካብ ክፉት- ቤት ማእሰርቲ ሖሎት ብዘይፍቓድ ንዝወጹን ዝተዋህቦም መንበሪ ፍቓድ ግዜኡ ንዝወደቀን ንምህዳን ብዝብል ምኽንያት ዝተኻየደ ኮይኑ ንሓያሎ ካልኦት’ውን ከምዝለከመ እቲ ዝበጽሓና ሓበሬታ የነጽር።
    ኣውራ ግፋ ዝተኻየደሉ ቦታታት ቴልኣቪቭ፣ ኤርትራውያን ሱዳናውያንን ብብዝሒ ዘዘውትርዉ ተኸናመርከዚን ለቪሽኣናን ዝተባህለ ከባቢታት ኮይኑ፣ ኣብ ካልእ ክፋል ከተማ ቴልኣቪቭ’ውን ብመጠኑ ግፋ ምንባሩ ክፍለጥ ተኻኢሉ።
    እቶም ብቅድሚ ትማሊ ምሸት ኣብ ዝተኻየደ ግፋ ዝተታሕዙ ቁጽሮም ብንጹር ዘይተሓበረ ኤርትራውያን ናበይ ቦታ ከምዝተወስዱ ዛጊት ኣይተፈልጠን።
    ሚኒስትሪ ውሽጣዊ ጉዳያት እስራኤል፣ ነቲ ኣብ ሓያሎ ከተማታት ዝርከብ ዝነበረ ማእከል መሐደሲ ቪዛ ስደተኛታት ኣብ ሓደ ቦታ ጥራይ ክኸውን ምውሳኑ፣ ኣብታ ሃገር ዝርከቡ ኤርትራውያንን ሱዳናውያንን መንበሪ ፍቓድ ወይ ቪዛ ንምሕዳስ ኣብ ርእሲ ዘሕልፍዎ ዘለዉ ናይ ቦታ ገልታዕታዕ፣ ኣብ ግዜኡ ንምሕዳስ’ውን ተጸጊሞም ምህላዎም ይንገር።

    መንበሪ ፍቓድ ከየሐደሰ ንዕሊ ሓደ ሰሙን ዝጸንሐ ዝኾነ ኣብ እስራኤል ዝነብር ስደተኛ ኸኣ ብፖሊስ ተገፊፉ ክእሰር ዝብል ሕጊ ጸዲቑ ይርከብ።

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    I congratulate for TPLF in doing a commendable job by changing himself from a marxist-leninist freedom fighter to the one who accepts political diversity and still keep his prmosie to his own people. TPLF was courageous enough to drop his original manifesto of Abay Tigray and took a universal approach to fight for social grievances. Tigray people were oppressed people and their social grievances forced them to fight so that the source of their grievances can not stopped. They did this by toppling the brutal Derge regime. They cooperated with all possibel allies to make their dreams happen. Once the brutal regime was removed, they look deeply into the prevailing problems of their own people while working with other people too.

    There is one fact in this regard, the role of EPLF can not be forgotten. Without this historical link, TPLF’s history is INCOMPLETE. I wish former EPLF members were invited there and proudly express their historical contribution at this special day. PFDJ is not EPLF and hence can not represent EPLF. But officials within PFDJ are still alive who did a great role for TPLF’s dream to come true.

    Today, PFDJ is against everything, against history and against peace. If TPLF’s original manifesto was kept as it is, may be what we see today in Tigray could not have happened. They were wise to change their program of making an independent state country called Tigray. Now, it is a state within bigger Ethiopia, state that has its own way of doing things. And the social grievances that happened before has very least chance to re-occur.

    Yet, there are thousands of miles to go so that a regional peace can be established, first in Ethiopia, as there still social grievances in other states, like the Oromo, debub Hizboch, Afar, etc, taking a brave politcal decision will enhance by many folds the progress we see both at state (kilil) and national level. The government at Addis Ababa should continue to be brave in accomodating extermists and discuss to end the remaining social grievances. If not, no state can sleep well when there is someone who is still screaming from anguish.

    Second point: Addis Ababa government which is still under huge influence of TPLF should be brave enough to end the border dispute with Eritrea. Regional integration within the horn of Africa can only be achieved by respecting each other not by keeping a hostage of each other. the border issue should be and must be finalized once and for ever. Then, Eritrea will also join the on-going regional integration for ever.

    Unfortunately, PFDJ system will not allow for economic integration. But, I am quite sure in one thing. If the government of Ethiopia and the government of Eritrea, no matter who is in power agreed to settle the border issue and this is of course the Ethiopian government who rejects the implementation of the agreement, then, the political evolution within each country can take its own course.

    Whether the border issue is resolved or not, Eritrea will not live in PEACE with every one, be it with its own people or neighbouring, under the PFDJ system. But, the PFDJ system matters above all for Eritreans. Eritreans can choose to stay in slavery under the brutal system if they choose so or completely dismantle it and install a new system that gives them peace within themselves and their neighbouring countries. Within this context then, the Government of Addis Ababa should pull out the PFDJ issue while dealing with the BORDER ISSUE. PFDJ will decay sooner or later but the border will not. Today, we might feel that the border issue can be resolved once PFDJ is removed. But the truth is not.

    We, Eritreans, above everything fought war to make our country free of foreign occupation and TPLF did a big role in this regard. I thank you on this historical day. Neverthless, we removed one dictator and another home grown dictator was nurtured. This is our own problem. Our problems can be olved by ourselves. We allowed a dictator to grow up and we are responsible for this and to remove it, it rellies on our shoulder. If you help us, like what we did to each other during the armed struggle, it is good and welcomed. But, still another pressing issue still remains.

    On this occasion then, I will remind the Ethiopian government and historically, TPLF, to END the border dispute once for ever. This is the demand of Eritrean people. We didn’t chose to go to war with Ethiopia, PFDJ pushed us. We went and we fought to keep our sovereignity alive, there us no sin within this. People did before and they will do now. The war for Eritreans was just like as if two individuals (like the Greek history) or kings went to war because of their son and daughter’s love affair. The king (PFDJ – without official declaration and no parliament involved in the decision making process) called us, the same to Ethiopia (though much wiser to decide it at parliamental level through official declarations – the EPRDF lead government – it is a wisdom actually) and we went. This is what kings do when they have absolute power and in the case of Eritrea, it becomes more noticeable, this is what I see in our side, I have little idea on how Ethiopians see the declaration done by the government in Addis-Ababa. In this regard, the government of Ethiopia did everything through official declarations, even for the deportation of innocent Eritreans from Ethiopia. PFDJ government, which I prefer to call it, as the Eritrean government is 100% controlled and manipulated by PFDJ, didn’t make official declarations. He had all the right to declare in reaction. This is a normal norm of governments. Governments has all rights that they assume to protect their country. PFDJ is not a government and hence can not make declarations. What he will pretend is, as a front, he has a right to defend the country, not as a government to protect the country. Politically, defense and protection are different things.

    I believe that there exists Eritrean government because Eritrea is a sovereign country. We have all the government structures and above all the people. What I reject is the system installed by PFDJ to run the government. Eritreans did not chose that system but all they believe is they have a government. be it weak, corrupted, communist, athiest bla bla does not matter. And the people believe that Eritrea is a sovereign country with definite border lines. And if there is any foreigner who lives in the country illegally, they have a right to bring him to the international rule of law. In this regard then, Ethiopian government should leave without any pre-condtion from the area that he is living illegally. If he choses, let him get a legal document, a VISA (seriously). The Ethiopian government can not send his people or his army to USA because he wanted so. Or, he can not bargain politically to change a system that he is confortable with.

    Yes, I do agree that PFDJ is not for PEACE and development. If it does, let it be. Ethiopians are capable to guard their peace while they are in their own land. Living inside a foreign country can not give one PEACE. And PFDJ is anti-development (indeed he is), let him collapse. It is a very simple economic principle. Ethiopia has lots of gates to make business with. They have verified this throught their own experiences. Home grown and internally focused policies are always the means for PEACE AND DEVELOPMENT. PFDJ policy is above everything an enemy to Eritreans, to his own people. The Ethiopian government has see this and Eritreans are experiencing it.

    To conclude, Ethiopian government should believe that there is an Eritrean government no matter what system he has. Then, respect the Eritrean sovereignity. Ethiopian government under the leadership of EPRDF in which TPLF is part didn’t make any hesitation to accept Eritrean sovereignity and to respect what you accept makes you only STRONGER and more wiser. Because, Eritrea and Ethiopia as countries, Eritreans and Ethiopians as people is the scale finally. This is our measurement scale. Systems die, evolve or remain unchanged. TPLF evolved into where it is today, from 11 young freedom fighters inspired by marxist-leninist ideology to EPRDF then to government and a capitalist and some how democratic power. On the other hand, EPLF, initially of the same history, evolved into a national government and was able to form a transition government, a very commendable historical acchivement, just like that of EPRF upto 1994. Then, he handed power to PFDJ and we are where we are now, we see TPLF evolved while PFDJ decayed. It is historical discourse.

    Voila!!

    Congratulations again TPLF for making your dreams come true and I wish you good luck with the rest remaining journey. Long live TPLF.

    Tes

    • Amde

      Tes,

      Hypothetical question to you.

      What if Ethiopia says, we consider the border where we currently are, and we accordingly consider this matter closed and we are ready to move to the next chapter in our relationship.

      That meets your requirement to “end the border dispute”. It leaves the population where it has been for the past 15 years, so no more population disruption. It establishes by default what have been shown to be defensible perimeters for Ethiopia’s security interest. The TPLF is relieved of bearing the political cost of endless accommodation to Eritrea. Administratively and logistically, nothing changes in terms of what either government needs to provide to its people on each side of the border.

      And most importantly, it closes off a bad chapter in Eritrean history and allows it to start integrating back into the community of nations.

      What do you say?

      Amde

    • Amde

      Tes,

      Hypothetical question to you.

      What if Ethiopia says, we consider the border where we currently are, and we accordingly consider this matter closed and we are ready to move to the next chapter in our relationship.

      That meets your requirement to “end the border dispute”. It leaves the population where it has been for the past 15 years, so no more population disruption. It establishes by default what have been shown to be defensible perimeters for Ethiopia’s security interest. The TPLF is relieved of bearing the political cost of endless accommodation to Eritrea. Administratively and logistically, nothing changes in terms of what either government needs to provide to its people on each side of the border.

      And most importantly, it closes off a bad chapter in Eritrean history and allows it to start integrating back into the community of nations.

      What do you say?

      Amde

      • Fnote Selam

        Amde,

        Although, I dont blame the border conflict as the cause of our current predicament, that is a very good question to ponder.

        Best,

        FS

      • selam

        The border issue is not closed yet and i guess it is in TPLF interest if they leave our land and give IA no reason to hold us locked . The two people are brothers and we can have a nice relationship but we should not mix the sovereignty with integrating communities.

        Most eritreans constantly remain to ask the international rule to be respected that means weyane get out from eritrean land

        If i ask most Eritrean people in asmara about the badme issue they will never ever give up to have their own land back at their hand and then start new relationship with ethiopia. That is the realty now and that will be the realty when IA is gone. So please ask ethiopians why they could not get out from our land.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Amde,

        Very good hypothetical question.

        The sad thing is the two governments raised this hollow hypothetical question, though from opposite perspective. I am no wonder if you ask this question. My hypothetical answer , it is IMPOSSIBLE. But practically the Ethiopian government is doing it for the last 15 years and as a result we see politcal instability.

        Lets be objective Amde. Hypothetical questions are only good in a scientifically controlled laboratory. I will answer therefore your question scientifically:

        take note now I am only talking country-to-country issue not domestic issue

        1. We have a problem (the border issue in our case), -problem identified

        2. From this problem, we bring hypothetical solutions (as you are saying). We developed the hypothesis

        3. From hypothesis, you go on experimentation (we are now alread doing it 15 years) -Experiment

        PFDJ developed his laboratory – bu enslaving the people and building rebel groups who can go and attack the other laboratory

        EPRDF – opened a big laboratory – welcoming refugees (those who flee by chance), buidling rebel groups, calling international communities to put sanctions, started to diversify his politcal plurality and started to obey the other international laws (leaving aside the border case)

        4. During experiement, observation continued in paralle

        – We are observing each side arming rebel groups and trying to destablise the sovereignity of the other opposing country.

        – Refugees continued to flee in mass – during the experimental phase, the things within the lab (the population) are affected and hence we observe people fleeing the country – both countries produced hundreds of thousands – but their case is quite different – but Eritrea didn’t build massive refuee camp and hence it didn’t receive a noticeable number – and even 500,000 refugess from Ethiopia are almost negligble compared to its population (remember more than 100, 000 were deported only from Saudi-Arabia and lets quant those in South Africa, Sudan, EU, US etc)

        – PFDJ got sanctioned because of his wrong experimental samples (like the Al-Shabab),
        etc

        5. Result? It took alpmost 15 years and yet no result obtained. What we observe is just the means to the end. And according to the expected results, through MODELING, and many statistical equations, the RESULT looks VERY DESTRUCTIVE.

        Conclusion and Recommendations

        Both countries should close their experimental laboratories if they chose to do so, they will need another 100 years. During the experimentation, one country may vanish to exist (for example – disintegration of Ethiopia, a failed country called Eritrea, mass refugees, regional instability, poverty, etc. It is almost a nuclear power plant. Actually I call the international community to close this experimental labs as they are doing at the expense of innocent people.

        ———————–
        Question ended
        ———————–

        Remark as an Eritrea

        I know PFDJ is reactingy are doing it right now. Mind you though, whether Ethiopia stayed there or not, for Eritreans at this time is secondary issue or almost a non-issue except for PFDJ which he can’t live outside this box. As far as Ethiopia believed on war, they will stay there and they are doing it. Let her be there. let them even decay there by wasting millions of dollars. I wish the money that goes there is changed in strengthening the youth who are staying in this illegally occuped land. it will only be a regret for Ethiopian government. The Golan heights of Jordan is still in the hands of Israel, the west bank and more. The Israelites are still occupying the land of dispute based on the same hypothetical question you raised. The result: The owners are not sleeping and the annexers are neither too. If Ethiopia continued to be there, let here be there. But no one will sleep.

        Saying this, the world has so many experiences and Ethiopia should learn from this. Equally, we Eritreans can not fooled twice by such hypothetical but dangerous assumptions. PFDJ has raised the same hypothetical question and has kept the whole population as a hostage, “INCASE”, “The if”, “who knows” were used in their negative context and we are where we are now.

        tes

      • Hayat Adem

        Amde,
        Please keep being around and challenging the existing mindset. Nothing inspires more than stretching minds on “what if” possibilities of thoughts. Kaddis above is putting some good stuff and asking T. Kifle to reflect. I hope T Kifle comes up and picks the invitation to reflect without losing the good spirit in which Kaddis has posed his questions.
        Here, Tes’ lab approach is not a bad attempt. But since he is in the lab field, he will have to think harder to take the burden to clearly establish the cause and effect relationship of his elements and outcomes in his experiment. For example: how does he prove Badume or the unsettled border is the cause (partially, mostly, or exclusively) of the present cold/hostile relationship between Weyane and PFDJ? This will be difficult for him to show because the 1991-1997 good relationship was possible despite undemarcated border or despite Ethiopia’s control over Bauime. It will also be difficult for him to assure demarcation and the handover of Badime will end the conflict and the present hostility as they can possibly continue despite a demarcated border under one or another pretext.
        Tes’ underlying assumption, PFDJ will run out of legitimacy and excuses to continue the repressive grip over Eritrea may not hold itself together because PFDJ can use the gain of Badume as a political harvest of its persistence and perseverance of its policy and may try to claim some of level of entitlement as a legitimate guardian of Eritrea’s independence. That way, the effect might be the opposite as well.
        I personally believe PFDJ has outlived its term and it has become a liability to the Eritrean dream long time ago. PFDJ must have nothing to do any business in Eritrea or on behalf of Eritrea. The border issue will be much easier to solve it after PFDJ is gone than while PFDJ is in office.
        PFDJ’s interest with this border has nothing to do with protecting Eritrea’s territorial integrity. There are three advantages for PFDJ as related to this border issue: 1) if it continues as is (unresolved), it helps it project a continued war footing and the conditions of abnormality in Eritrea and the unlikelihood of introducing reform or change, 2) if it is solved, it credit itself as the only guardian of Eritrea and the champion of perseverance and holding its ground and surviving pressures, and 3) if resolved, it will be bragging on new promises of changing Eritrea for the better and there by asking for more ruling time. It has to do with harvesting some vindication about the war crime. PFDJ doesn’t want to answer for all the horrible crimes it has done. Now it is using the border issue as an excuse to run away from answering. If there was no border issue, it will create another excuse. It doesn’t matter whether Eritreans are convinced by this excuses or not. There are not many Eritreans that believe PFDJ has legitimate reasons to run the country as a prison business. If the border lame excuse convinced many Eritreans, you wouldn’t see hundred thousand Eritreans crossing to the other side of the border as refugees. They are not going to push back the existing border, they are crossing over to the other side.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Amde:
        If this hypothesis becomes a reality then Ethiopia still is not abiding by the ruling. But misery will still be the order in Eritrea, the PFDJ supporters will still support PFDJ’s crimes. Even if Ethiopia in a flash of epiphany decides to withdraw immediately from every inch of Eritrean land , if if its tells the world, it was wrong to award what it awarded it and withdraws without any condition, the plight of our people will be the same. History will record that Woyane defeated PFDJ, that it forced PFDJ to allow 25 KM buffered zone, that it is occupied sovereign land for over a decade and PFDJ was impotent to do anything about it.

  • Abinet

    I like to take this opportunity to respond as an Amhara.
    TPLF / EPRDF , congratulations!!! Let the fight continue against poverty. We have a long way to go and more achievements to celebrate.
    Tigray people,
    You have given us people like Atse Yohannes, Ras Alula, Meles Zenawi. Thank you. Let there be more of them in the future.
    Nitricc
    I have bad news for you . Our unity is stronger than ever before . I see you are crying for Amharas and Oromos. Keep crying. I’m laughing as an Amhara. Ha ha ha ha ……

  • HayaT1

    Inarguably, TPLF’s political approach fits Ethiopia’s long lived socio-political reality. In today’s world view, adhering to the country’s old military approach to pacify the country is not only ineffective but impossible. Hence, the strange but real federalism has helped the poor country to use its meager resource to meet its populace’s immediate needs. The miraculous development of the country we are witnessing is testimony to exonerate EPRDF/ TPLF’s policy. Just in the past three days, in addition to the 60,000 seat capacity Mekelle stadium, Raya Brewery and Mekelle Pepsi soft drink have been commenced.
    Further, the work of Raya University (in May Chew) and the $2 billion Rail Road construction between Mekelle and Tajura have started. While the policies of the government of Ethiopia is conducive for such development, the concern is open
    the link. http://ecadforum.com/ethiopianvideo/2015/02/18/dr-berhanu-nega-with-sisay-agena-esat/

  • selam

    again did i posted wrong material here can any one tell me where is my post.?

    • guest

      Hmmmm. I dont see any of your post here. What is it about, anyways? I am still expecting your evidence that General Kakay’s coffin was airtransported and NOT overland; so i can show it to Zajel Eritrean News Agency ( ZENA ). You said the report wasn’t accurate and you can prove it.HAATU BURHAANAKUM IN KUNTUM SAADIQUIN……i don’t think you need me translate that quote in upper case.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam all,
    .
    I would like to take this opportunity to thank the TPLF in particular and Tigreyans in general for their role in bringing Ethiopia to its current position. Ethiopia in 1990-91 was at the edge of a cliff. The wishes and efforts of the domestic and foreign enemies of Ethiopia was on the verge of being accomplished. TPLF stood tall gathered its brothers and saved this old nation from disintegration. The rest is currents events.
    .
    Please know this 40th anniversary celebration belong to all of us.
    May peace and development continue.
    .
    K.H

  • Peace!

    These are the same dictators who have demonstrated consistently that they disfavor their own people and favor westerners, and although the countries they represent are independent, every serious move they wish to make is subjected to approval from upstairs, France, US, or UK.

    Ironically, in Eritrean politics, it is only one way: if you hate PFDJ, it is ok to admire anybody who hates PFDJ, regardless.

    Peace!

  • selam

    I have never been in ethiopia and i do not intend to do so , but if this all news, apart from the oromo. It is all great and i wish all the Ethiopians a great future.

    But i still do not understand why are all the opposition talking rubbish then ?

    For now forget the democracy and the transparency because most of the ethiopian people could care less just let them get rich and have good health care system and also a great justice system .

    remained though awate.com there is also this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBAB_unT2kM

  • Kokhob Selam

    transparency of this federal government is a lesson for all African countries. accepting differences as a gift in creating unity is one very open way of solving all conflicts rather than saying “Hade Liby” and cheat people. RIP Meles what great start have you done to your people. .

    • guest

      Well said Kohob Selam. Not only we have toothless opposition, many are just a kopy kat of esayas system in their real agenda with few changes of decoration and words. The land will remain of the central government, refugees in neighboring countries, specially of thr 60s and 70s will be barred from returning to their villages with fictious excuses, and the prisons will be filled with new ones after they release yhe ones jailed in esayas regime. They will never bulldoze those detention centers, UNLESS they make it clear now, not later, their un conditional stand and support of some kind of federal system like that of ethiopia for all eritrean provinces or at least the establishment of de centralized system where all regions have their rights of local self governments without the central governmet breething too much over the province’s shoulders..because that would stink.

    • selam

      Do we have similar thing in Africa too . Do you have any clue , i just want to get information

      Any thing ethiopian government puts to the development of the ethiopian people is great as far as from Eritrean perspective .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBAB_unT2kM&index=5&list=PLObCLJ6HocklK1ykMRxoOLexAohdxsQbt

      • Kokhob Selam

        ya, just keep blaming others. so look this.

        መስኪናይ ኣስመላሽ እዚ ሰብ ኣይ ከሸፍቀኒ:

        https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1071453072880412

        • Kokhob Selam

          ኣብ’ ዚ ከይተፈለጠን ቀዳማይ ተሓታቲ ስርዓት ዋሺንግቶን ምዃኑ ግዳ ‘ውን ንሳተን ካብ ተሓታትነት ነጻ ከምዘይኮና እየን ሓቢረን :: ከምዚ ቆልዓ ኣዲኡ ኣይትስረቕ ምስ ትብሎ ማ ማ ብዓል ኣያ ጆን እኮ ብዓበይቶም ከምዚ ይገብሩ እዮም – ኢሉ ዝምልሰላ ዝዓይነቱ : መሳኪን ህግደፍ :ተዘባሪቕወን::

        • selam

          well part is true but it does not make HGDEF honest either .They should have learnt how politics work before they jump

  • Semere Andom

    Congratulation TPLF and the people of Tigray in particular and all the people of Ethiopia:

    No doubt this is a milestone with measureable success of lifting thousands of people from poverty and giving them a shot at the life a few privileged pedigree were only entitled to.

    Like any commemoration the speeches of this event can be swaddled in a mere glamour, but heed that the salient massage is for the people not to reset on their laurels as the task ahead will be challenging and tumultuous but rewarding. Keep refining, keep learning, be generous, be understanding to others who are in the same shoes you were 40 years ago, they too one day shall rise and will remember your help and will pay tribute to your generosity, humility and sacrifices in building the bridge for peace. Long way to go from the vibrant, civilized society that all people deserve, but you are closer to it than you have ever being before. Remember your humble beginning, be thankful, pay tribute to your friends and once again triumph will be yours, this time triumph over inequality, triumph over the complete eradication of destitution two phenomena have plagued your country for decades

    Good Luck

  • Hayat Adem

    Given the human and geographical proximity, given the contribution of Eritrea for the change that is now clearly elevating Ethiopia to a higher ground, given the inherent positive externalities that may impact Eritrea as a matter of consequence, Eritrea’s spot at this kind of festivity and celebration where the future project of regional integration is high in air should have been center front, not invisible. Bad leadership has put Eritrea at a hidden corner of the regional map. We’ll change that status for sure. Until then, Congratulations to the Dedebitawian who made it possible this far.
    Hayat

    • Kokhob Selam

      ከምቲ ቅዋም ከይተኣወጀ ዝሞተ ፡ ሃገርነት ኤርትራ ኮ ከይተ ኣወጀ ዝደስከለ ጉዳይ እዩ ::ወረ ሞትይቱ ከይብሉኒ ፍርሒ !!

    • Hope

      Ms Hayat,
      I agree partially albeit /despite your coded words as usual.
      Bad leadership ,Yes!
      But why are you afraid and shy to tell the full truth?
      Bad neighbour,bad and crooked and isolationist Policy of the Dedebitawian as well!
      Don’t we deserve better than that?Aren’t or weren’t we the ones who literally made that DREAM come TRUE?
      Did he say “Regional Integration”?Nice crap.
      Here is the Truth:
      -The Oportunist Mohammed Tewkel was not shy enough to bypass the role of the TPLF in dismantling Somalia with the help of its masters as guest said it sarcastically but eloquently.
      -The Opportunist Mohammed Tewkel was shy to mention the role of Eritreans in making the Dedebit Dream a Reality.
      -The Opportunist Wed Tewkel was shy to tell the truth about the destructive role of th eTPLF against Eritrea and Eritreans but admired the TPLF selectively claiming that the TPLF is for Regional Integration while it has been a Public Secret that the TPLF has been for the total disintegration of Somalia and Eritrea!
      But NO Congra to Fenkil Operators?Huh,selective dementia or what?
      On the side note:
      While I congratulate the people of Tigray,here is the hyopcrisy:
      -The Hypocrit and Opportunist Wed Tewkel,the AT included,have shyed away from/about saying a “THING” about the Miraculous Yikaa’lo’s Operations of Nadew Ez destruction and the Fenkil Operations but are busy enough to narrate the story of the ” Endamatom”!
      If the reason for NOT celebrating the Fenkil Operation is coz of the PFDJ,then that is beyond Hypocricy as well.
      I second Nittric on his “on the spot observation”!
      That was what I said when I noted at glance about Mohammed Tewkel’s Report.–Huh ,another Tesfalem of the Sudan Tribune.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Hope,
        We are not congratulating them for past military glories. We are congratulating them for single-mindedly mobilizing their people and resources for development and showing achievements on dinting poverty for the money spent. And now, according to the news, the talk is even about a bigger agenda: regional integration. What a walk TPLF walked and what a talk PFDJ talked! What is the use if you are celebrating Fenqil of 25yrs ago and you are doing Mifiniqal of 25 hundred citizens per month today?! As the catch story of the week goes, people’s migration compounded with a massive money migration should make us sleepless now not celebrate on a military operation that happened 25 yrs ago. The operations were not important by themselves. They were done in the name of creating a better life for Eritreans. In the absence of that, they are meaningless and don’t deserve any attention. PFDJ uses them for anesthetizing and deafening the public.

        • Hope

          You see Hayat,
          You have a very selective memory and selective reading ability albeit deliberately.
          My reaction was about this specific man called Mohammed Tewkel,whom I know well,and about his selective and biased reporting.
          -I specifically asked you about your biased and selective arguement and your blame on the PFDJ,when you are the Expert of the experts when it come s to facts about the destructive Policy of the same TPLF you are admiring.as the Champion of Integration….,when in fact,it has been the Champion of Disintegrating “Weak” neighbors.
          If Fenkil Operation did NOT happen,the 40th Anniversary of the TPLF could not have been achieved…..and I do not believe that there would be Mekele Univ,Aksum Univ,Adigrat Univ,Adiwa Univ,and now Raya/Mai Chew University–not to mention Tekeze Dam,etc—-let alone Hidassie Dam…
          You see where I am coming from?
          We have to give the credit to where it belongs,at least sometimes.

          • Semere Andom

            Forget Mohammed Tewekel, he is away from Eritrea, has no power, your people are being cleansed by PFDJ. You are obsessed with trivia.
            Let me say, Fenkel may have facilitated what you mentioned and made PFDJ to become the catalyst for Eritrea’s wiping from the planet.
            Do you really understand the implication of your own comment? Let me help you:
            Sure, Fenkel made the 40th anniversary and the brand new universities like MIT(Mekle Institure of Technolgy) and others you have listed,(some I had no idea they existed), but Fenkel also made the closing of university of Asmara possible, made Lampusuda possible, made the disappearance of the founding father
            You welcome Hope, I just gave you an insight to sleep on.
            It does not surprise me if you guys start celeberating the massacre of the war disabled, Sep18, the successful arrest of the G-15, or Oct 1, 2013, the Lampesuda insicent paying to tribute to the Italian island for killing the youth who abandoned Eritrea in search of iPads. Pathetic!

          • hope

            Sem,
            Insanity or Tsemam hade derfu saga here.
            Read me again and respond properly….without changing the topic.

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes Hope, we should celebrate the expansion of universities, the construction of new stadiums and the building of railways etc.We should celebrate development and poverty eradication. It is only PFDJ who is obsessed with past military glories: naqfa, Nadew, Fenqil… A person knows that she is getting old when everything she offers is only history and none about hope and future.

          • Hope

            Hayat,
            Answer specifically my specific question about the negative role of the TPLF in the Horn–I mean outside the box–Hidassie Dam,Raya Univ….etc…

          • Hayat Adem

            There was no specific question asked. Give me one now if you must: which specific negative role of TPLF* in the Horn do you want me to talk about?
            —————–
            I am not an authority on TPLF but I’ll be happy to share my views about them generally or in relation to a particular policy or action if asked.

      • Abinet

        Nefse
        Long time no talk
        I’ve one Amharic saying for you.
        ” kifu gorebet eras yaschilal”
        Why don’t you use it to your advantage instead of playing victims?
        Hope remember this old song by Hirut Beqele .
        “Akal eshururu,wured kejerbaye
        Meshekem alchlim aleqe sigaye “

        • Hope

          Cousin Abi,
          Aymeleketihim as I did not touch your Mamma estopia.
          But,Yes,Congra to the people of Tigray,no matter what!
          They deserve it better than any one else…and I am glad you came back to your senses !

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            No you did not touch mamma estopia. Only mamma Ethiopia.
            I know it is your secretary that messed up again.
            Regarding the Fenkil anniversary report, let’s wait a little bit until ESAT post it on awate. In the mean time you can tell us some of the accomplishments of fenkil as a means not as an end by itself. You can mention like the expansion of massawa port to serve the region or the beautiful massawa city as a tourist destination or university of massawa graduates are involved in economics endeavor…. Anything.

  • Nitricc

    is this awate.com or Aigaforum. or was it tgrayonline? WTF. really?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc,
      This is your famous Dedebit. Today it is even mentioned as starting point of 40 years back struggle.we are supposed to be proud of Adal mountains and remember it by building the nation we always dream to have.

    • Ted

      Nitricc, Say no more.

  • guest

    Congratulations! My good wishes to our southern neighbors. More prosperity and progress for many more years to come and good work in YOUR country and YOUR people. The somali people deserve the same. That means for ethiopians to pull out all their so called peacekeeping forces out of somalia and leave somali people build their nation and unity freely as you did to your nation. Ethiopia and Kenya have a vested interest in devided and weak somalia. They are not unbiased peacekeeping forces. Infact, they are fuelling to the hatred and mistrust the somalies have towards ethiopians and kenyans who are occupying somalia under the umbrella of AMISOM. The money spent in supporting the 22000 occupational forces could be diverted in reconciliation of somalies and re-build their nation. The statusquo as it is now serves only the two nations with heavy military presence they have in their weakened neighbor, somalia.