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THE U-TURN SPIRIT

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Some friends have suggested that we need a clear path and a focus on issues this time and proposed that I make a little introduction as a regular contributor.

Also bowing the my good friend SY, here is what I thought any good friend would want to know:

  • I was born to a mother and a father in Eritrea.
  • I grew up and went to school in Sudan and did a bachelor’s degree in Economics at the University of Khartoum – graduated in 1994.
  • I went back to Eritrea same year and worked – the last one being at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  • I did the 9th round of the national service and was sent back to finish my service at the MFA.
  • In 2001 I went along with the students who were sent to South Africa for an MA in Economics at the University of the Western Cape but had to leave (to Canada) before finishing and graduating.
  • I tried to go back to school and managed to do an MA in Human Security & Peacebuilding from the Royal Roads University in Canada.
  • Politically I used to be a member of the General Union of Eritrean Students (very few may still remember very little about it) until its dissolution in mid eighties and was a member of the National Union of Eritrean Youth and Students until I left Eritrea in 2001 – two of the most amazing mass organizations that I am very proud to have been associated with.
  • You may also add that I spent at least a week as an active member of almost every Eritrean opposition organization in existence

Back to topic!

I have been reading the comments and discussion to the previous article: SY summarized the previous debates very well (I have nothing to add) – Emma set the tone for the next period and for all I would have to say in a single sentence that (paraphrased) “what matters isn’t in whether we would have this regime or the other but in good administration and governance of whatever we have” – Semere and NITRIC framed the spirit of how we should proceed (paraphrased) “concentrate on solutions and good assumption of one another.” SG practically stayed out of it but (being his nom de guerre) I should be able to read his mind: “kab meEgergerti teTenqequ”. The others that I have not mentioned including Hayat, Haile, Ghezae and others have also raised tough questions, whose answers I cannot claim to know and hope would be answered through our debates based on the assumption of good in everything Eritrean.

Brother Semere Tesfai seemed to have a bit of the bashing (please give him more) for all the crazy things he had said in some of his articles and here I will try to find him an excuse (diHri Hiji gn teQoTeb).

I think what we all do when we take time to write our ideas and make arguments is like painting (not that I know anything about painting). Mind you – WE ALL (from tanika-moulded PFDJ to Gangman-style opposition) HAVE THE SAME THING IN MIND: AN ERITREA THAT WE CAN BE PROUD TO CALL HOME. Simple because we have no choice (as no other human being does as far as I can imagine), we discuss the same thing in three dimensions. Change the name “dimension” if you chose or add others if you will: (a) we describe what a perfect prototype Eritrea is the way we conceive it; (b) we describe what the actual Eritrea on the ground is or looks like; (c) we propose ways of bridging the gap between the two.

Imagine someone, say you, making the simplest argument in just one sentence and decide to propose that: “Skalu Menqerios is a woman” (you could pick any other name or even use a pronoun – it is just an example). Then we will assume that your projection of the other two dimensions is implicit in your statement:

(a) You told us what you saw and decided it was a woman.

(b) The prototype of “woman” looks like what you see (i.e. if you ever wish for a woman, what you see is what you will get), and you know no other prototypes (since you have not said anything more).

(c) By not adding any qualifiers to your sentence, you are saying there is no difference between what that woman is and what a woman is supposed to be. Of course, by using the article “a” you are also telling us that, “she is not alone” and that “there could be millions of them out there” (and you say fear-mongering?).

If you add any qualifiers to the sentence, such as “Skalu Menqerios is a beautiful woman”, then you are making assumptions about the difference between the prototype woman and the actual woman and implying possibilities of bridging the gap between the two.

No one can write any argument in less than (at least) those three dimensions without either explicitly writing or implying some assumption about the other dimensions (go ahead and try to write a one-dimensional argument). Give the article to any reader and voila, you will see the three dimensions either “teKhodimom” or “tegadimom”. These projections are present in anything that anyone can ever say in the context of debating. I think what makes debating endless fun is this enormous capacity of simple words to hide extensive internalized knowledge and experience (and therefore meaning), that would allow every Tom & Jerry (Gadi’s Idea – yelokhulan) to make very plausible scenarios about how you might have managed to know, prototype and compare that, “Skalu Menqerios is a woman” (aymeslekan?).

In doing so – as far as I can imagine – each of us along with T&J (individuals and groups alike) have only two (not less and not more) ways of making an argument. The two choices of technique are:

1. USE DARK TO SHOW LIGHT:

True to the tradition of our “opposition”, we all use dark to show light. In an integrated picture, we almost exclusively concentrate on showing the bad in our opponents in the hope that people will see the good in us (i.e. as a means to an end). Of course, there are those for whom showing the bad in others is an end in itself (the subject of the paragraphs below). In our obsession to prove that the PFDJ regime is wrong (and hence leading people to believe that we are right), the overwhelming tendency is to attribute to the regime everything that shows up in the bad news media. I think what brother Semere Tesfai, myself and the majority of our great writers did was exactly the same. Deep in our arguments all the demonization of the other was seeded to cultivate in readers the capacity to choose the proposed solution by warning them that the alternative was far worse.

To make these arguments convincingly you need a few fixed non-negotiable (obviously irrational) assumptions like those that we have come to accept as true. For example, the proposition that “THERE IS ONLY ONE KILLER IN ERITREA AND IT IS NOT GOD”, used to explain away everything and leave unanswered only “why the PFDJ decided to kill X?” If it happens that some government official, for instance, has died of natural cause, we get confused and run out of words, as was the case with the great Wuchu (may he rest in peace).

Foundational propositions, such as, “THERE IS A ROOT CAUSE TO EVERY DISASTER” are used to attribute every catastrophe to the PFDJ. I know making statements like this in light of so many sad incidents might sound insensitive, but I believe it is the most sensitive thing to do. The intention is to reach a common understanding in ways that contribute real value to efforts dealing with real horrors. We will come to the complexity of humanitarian challenges in our diaspora in separate articles later on. For the sake of the point that I would try to make, let us think of a simple scenario.

Some crazy person treats his wife like a slave and maintains a “slave camp” in his backyard. On a daily basis, she wakes up to “doolla” and sleeps to “shamooT”. He starves her to death and gambles with the neighbors. He promises a lot and delivers nothing but disasters and horrors. Is she not justified to run away for her life? Well she does! Things do not work out. Sadly, on her way to a safe place, a drunk driver hits her and she passes away. If you were a lawyer, or a person with some decency and honesty, and would genuinely like to help by making sure that somebody accounts for her death, and pedestrians who survived get some help, what would you do? Would you go after the drunk driver and traffic police and the bystanders who did not help, or would you go after the abusive husband because he was the root cause of all this?

Let us think of a different root cause, where the husband was actually a sweetheart who insists on one “kutsha” next the one he had just stolen from the neighbor’s wife. She wakes up to a kiss and goes to bed in a hug or does the chicken dance in the dream gardens in the backyard. Early one Valentine morning she decides to pick him a red flower. Sadly, on her way to the flower shop, a drunk driver hits her and she passes away.  If you were the same philanthropist, would the root cause still matter? To be honest – if you were the root-cause philanthropist – all you cared about was to use the poor woman’s cause to incriminate the abusive husband on something that had nothing to do with the horrible accident and the immediate victim. Do not get me wrong – there is no cause nobler than going after abusive husbands – but why fish in dirty waters?

I mean no disrespect spoiling my New-Born state with sinful acts (and my deepest apologies to brother Woldeyesus Amar and the rest of the EPDP for any misrepresentations and offensiveness in my previous articles), but this video (start at 5:20 to 10:00 mark) shows one organization (by no means the only), that has internalized and taken for granted so many of these irrational propositions to be true, and hence acceptable without question, stating without reservation or shame pure meanness as primary foreign policy objectives: (a) depriving the PFDJ of popular support at home and abroad; (b) depriving the PFDJ of any benefits flowing from other countries. I know many of you agree with them and are surprised about the extent of my U-Turn, but please continue to read as I try to show what I believe to be the source of what I see as policy inconsistencies.

2. USE LIGHT TO SHOW DARK:

The PFDJ (you may say, “along with all regimes that have an interest in overlooking the horrors they have caused”) follows this technique in making the case for the Eritrea that we all dream about. Watch Eritrean Television and PFDJ media for a few days and you are on a U-Turn: if not fully convinced, at least seriously entertaining the FACT that it might not be as bad as you had always thought. Apart from digging holes or carrying rocks in the government’s propaganda section, you will see unbelievably good people, like Adey Abeba (I guess), who funds and I believe runs programs for blind and deaf kids year after year – just for the heck of it and irrespective of the “root causes”. You will see kids, who obviously have no idea what a root cause is, reaching out to the best of their imagination to answer simple questions; women smiling just for learning to write “weridooni”; and lots of people tired but proud building dirt roads connecting nowhere to nowhere. If you tune in at the right time, you may see some snow in Asmara for a change.

Would you make a U-Turn – and a U-Turn from what? I did a U-Turn on the method and not the substance of the struggle for change in Eritrea. There is no need to make a U-Turn on substance. In fact, the PFDJ (and everything under its mandate inside and outside the country) is the only Eritrean entity that is actually directly involved in a struggle for change in Eritrea: we change the regime and they change the people. We may not agree on whether their change is different from our change but it is change nonetheless. Even if you manage to argue that the actual outcome of their change is horrible, you would not be able to disagree with the principle that they think, just like we do, that they aim towards a better Eritrea not a worse one.

To make a U-Turn on the method of struggle for change, we need one core assumption: THAT ALL PEOPLE PURSUE THEIR GOALS TO THE BEST OF THEIR INTENTIONS. This assumption might seem unfounded as it seems to assume away all evil intentions from the politics of our relationship to others. It is actually at the core of the conception of “Utility” in social sciences. Rational individuals (read chapter one) in economics are selfish agents who maximize their own utility with the core and only purpose of satisfying their own needs not with the mean purpose of hurting others. In no way does economics or any social science that I can think of, as far as I know, presume pointless meanness in human beings. Meanness may be a by-product of economic behavior that probably arises as a problem at the level of the distribution of benefits, but even in those cases, I believe, it should be seen as a strategy that can be justified by rational humans rather than an end in itself. The condition of “maximization” as a characteristic of rational agents is only another way of stating that economic agents pursue utility exclusively for the good contained in it and they do so to a point that leaves no doubt of under-exploited rationality.

Help me if it does not make sense, but I suppose meanness, as an end in itself cannot be assumed even in the worst of criminals. Things that can stand trial in a court of law and the court of public opinion in any decent society are those that are capable of rational thinking, and causes that are worthy of the administration of justice. The reason that there are court proceedings with a focus on establishing evidence of deed or intention is because we have to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that there are rational, reasonable and believable calculations involved in committing an offense or breach of the law. People on whom such rationality cannot be assumed implying that the meanness involved in the crime was pursued as an end in itself, are referred for psychiatric assessment and society does not care if they get away with their crimes no matter how horrible they might be.

You may be wondering why I would be making such an obvious statement – but to your surprise and mine – there are actually people who have tried very hard to prove the insanity and pure sadistic meanness on the very person they are suing for horrible crimes. No smart lawyer with the least common sense would do that if he/she cares one bit about the cause of his/her victims. It is a loosing strategy because it contravenes the basic sense of justice in any society. No self respecting community can tolerate any form of coercion whether carried out at the level of personal initiative in contexts of voluntary transaction or administered as legal punishment representing collective will or employed for PR purposes to promote specific interests of political groups, taking place against people that society considers irrational by nature or incapable of rational reason.

Do not take this as an obsession with newfound wisdom, but this links to the concepts promoted in the previous article. As the example where the assumption of meanness cannot exist without also assuming limitations on the capacity of the person or thing concerned to make rational judgment implied, these assumptions apply at the level of intentions (i.e. means) not on ends. In a community where the logic of incrimination drove backwards from ends to means and intention, i.e. where the intention could be implied from the extent of damage done, every crime would have to be accounted for, including those committed by individuals who would be well deserved to plead “not guilty” on the basis of insanity.

Such a society does not exist and if it does or did exist, it must be on its way to extinction because such is the beauty of God’s creation of men that if not acted upon by external forces, always strives for the best in the human spirit. Hence the consequence of what you do is irrelevant in the precautionary devises (such as the law) of a just society, as such devises should be designed to control excesses and deviations in the presumed intentions of individuals and groups in that society. Where the presumed profiles of members of that society exhaust all the factors that predict the acts and behaviors of rationality, it can be safely assumed that any consequences that do not match our expectations of that society were caused by forces beyond the control of a just society. This is true because irrational members (those whose profiles do not fit the definitions of rationality), who may also cause deviations in the expected outcomes, are not worthy of trial and are therefore natural disturbances that any perfectly designed humanly system should expect and accept (in Arabic you may call them “Museeba”).

It is this natural constitution of men’s behavior that the greatest philosophers blended as the “invisible hand” that regulates society and produces order, respect and dignity in the hypothetical society of men presumed equal in their capacity to pursue the improvement of the state of their utility to the maximum. It is true that societies have found the invisible hand of natural order crippled by considerations of differentials in men’s capabilities to maximize giving rise to suboptimal social order where the distribution of opportunities, liberties and protection cannot be justified by the assumption of rationality in men. It is also true that restrictions to the rational character of men can be justified on the grounds of guaranteeing the incidence of the just society at the level of outcomes where actual justice is experienced. You may add to this the utilitarian rule of thumb, (underlying the conception of voting democracies – elaborated in SG’s comments to the previous article) that the closest that any humanly system of social order can come is by assuming sufficiency where the good in society can be maximized to fit the constraint of “the greatest good for the greatest number”.

Under no condition may we, however, assume away the objective existence of the good society of well-intentioned rational men because this natural law is inherent in all forms of relationships regulating interest-driven interactions among men. Where any form of sustained patterns of interpersonal relationship is observed, some variation of that natural constitution of men must be assumed. Where such a society of men is constituted through a long history of cooperation and competition in horrible wars and bloody negotiations, as is the case with the PFDJ, it is safe to assume that a more complex social contract regulated by some form of constitution balanced with many sticks and a few carrots does exist. It may not be a written and explicitly codified constitution, but a constitution nevertheless, and a much more sustainable one by virtue of its proximity to the natural order of rationality.

Claims surrounding the “unimplemented” Eritrean constitution, therefore, should be rephrased for its proponents to evade absurdity and ridicule – as the proposition that “Eritrea does not have a constitution” is one that only an ignorant and bigot or a rationally deceitful politician can promote with a straight face. What the “constitution crowd” is demanding isn’t “Eritrea should implement THE constitution” but “THIS Constitution”. That probably is why such demands are always qualified by reference to the year of ratification (1997).

To be honest with you again – you should be glad it ended up where it belongs (this time for a different reason than what you probably guessed I have in mind). Now that we have seen and heard the assumption of pure evil in anything that has to do with the history and achievements of the Eritrean struggle and the unimaginable reconstruction efforts of a people sweating tears and blood in the hope of a better day, we should know what was wrong with the constitution. Here too, I mean no offense and what I say should be understood within the limits of rationality and good intention described in this article.

I have never met Professor Berekhet Habteslassie in person, but I did talk to him over the phone a couple of times during the hay days of the EDP, where I used to be a member and I know he is among the very few people of his education and age that managed to maintain a tireless presence in Eritrean politics. To be more direct, he is one of those many Eritreans that make up the profile of the prototype Eritrean upon whom the assumption of purity of intention should be presumed without question. I might have said things that sounded mean and irrational about him and about many other good people in some of my previous articles – but as I have mentioned above – it is my hope that all those crazy things would be reinterpreted within the heat of making arguments in the context of means to ends. I hope he accepts this as a gesture of goodwill and an invitation for input and guidance in a civilized debate (and on the right side this time).

Am I trying to find an excuse to refer you to this interview with Professor Berekhet? Well I have to find a way of provoking him to say something – anything is good enough: as part of the argument above, I thought, an implicit elitist agenda presuming (actual or potential) evil in the men and women that the constitution was designed to control is clear beyond doubt. In other words, the designers of the constitution were well aware that their task was to set up a constitution that would usher an era of radical transformation from a Big Brother dictatorship to a democratic one. They were also aware or had reason to believe, that political pressures surrounding the PFDJ and the President motivated the push towards a democratic constitution. In some meeting with the President, the commission members (I guess) were pleasantly surprised that they did not have to explain the gravity of what a constitution would mean to his presumed monopoly of power.

In light of the concepts of rational invisible-hand justice proposed above, it would be, more plausible than not, to take the preceding two statements as pure and unfounded assumptions (i.e. the “Big Brother regime” assumption and the assumption that it would be irrational for “the Big Brother” to promote a constitution). The reason is that, “the Big Brother” of the armed struggle was himself premised on similar circumstantially situated presumptions – not on the possibility of the unintended byproduct of rational interaction with the circumstances of the armed struggle. It is partly this built-in bias and presumption of evil and selfishness in people who had exhausted any imaginable limits of selflessness toward trading their own dreams for those of others that made the spirit embodied in the constitution contrary to the predominant spirit of goodwill and optimism at the time. At the grassroots orientation of the spirit of the constitution too, the presumption of the Hobbsian characters that if unchecked, would unleash unlimited potential to cannibalize and devour one another is clear beyond doubt.

I believe it is this inability (of the designers of the Eritrean constitution) to presume that humans in general, and Eritreans who have gone through so much in their history, are inherently decent rationally maximizing individuals that restricted their (of the designers) ability to predict many of the phenomena that invalidated the applicability of their provisions in later years. It is the same flaw in our thinking that continues to restrict our ability to interact positively with the behaviors, ideas and politics of developments on the ground and the tears and smiles of ordinary people in Eritrea today. My guess is that, if some good in the Eritrean spirit inherent in the rational explanation of their objectives, activities and interactions had been assumed as given, the potential for groups of individuals with a natural (not necessarily mean spirited) tendency to exploit every opportunity in constitutionally regulated loopholes such as the land proclamation would have been predicted.

Similarly, as long as we insist on presuming unexplainable evil in the PFDJ government or any other government that follows, subsequent struggles for change in Eritrea will necessarily be trapped in zero sum solutions where one side must lose for the other to win. Let us make a U-Turn and assume goodwill in whatever the PFDJ government and the diaspora opposition is doing or has ever done, so that we would be able to rationalize the policies and activities of the government and opposition and explain differences in terms of tangible things whose solutions may be negotiated. It is only such a U-Turn or some form of it that can guarantee the emergence of naturally acceptable and rationally believable alternatives – either, because of our good intentioned proactive initiatives of negotiated change – or in spite of our stubborn inflexibility to change. Deep down, we should believe, that such a U-Turn is inevitable because such is the destiny of a proud hardworking decent nation that would never settle for less.

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  • AMAN

    It is so embarrasing for IA and HIS PFDJ party to bow down
    at the feet of TPLF/woyane. It doesn’t look like PFDJ and IA
    came from the values of EPLF. I am so embarrased to see
    woyane / TPLF make Issayas and PFDJ bow down the last
    20 years. Especially after such a destructive war of punishment.
    All we thought was it is true in what it is saying of standing up
    against woyane/TPLF but it was meeting its partner in the back
    door while Eritreans are holding firm and fighting for their values
    and dignity of their country.

  • ዓወት ንሓፋሽ

    Apologies are flying all over the place on this website. Are people that sensitive? If you are going to discuss politics, which is what most of you do here, it seems to me that you have to have a thick skin. As the saying goes, “Politics ain’t bean bag.”

  • Helen

    Dear Ermias, Interestingly, it was a Weyane official by the name Gebru Asrat who said, “Eritreans refer to Tigrayans as flies to be swatted down” at the height of the border war when Weyane officials were trying to whip up emotions against Eritreans living in Ethiopia so they can justify their theft of their properties. As much as Eritreans dislike or distrust Tigrayans, I don’t believe they have referred to them as flies. What is an undeniable fact, however, is that Ethiopians are breeding like rabbits. How are they going to provide for all those poor people in Ethiopia at a time when there is competition for food aid from other needy countries. Expect bread riots in Ethiopia soon. Weyane’s fictitious growth rates will not feed any Ethiopian.

  • SM

    Sal,
    If the Tigrayit are but Tigrayit/Eritreans but Eritreans, why would/should they be considered as Arabs requiring -de-Arabinization by PFDJ?

    • saay7

      Selamat SM,
      1. Tigrayit refers to the language, not to the people who speak it.
      2. To state that Tigrayit and Arabic share many words (or root words) is NOT to say that Tigrayit borrowed it from Arabic. For all we know, it might be Arabic that borrowed it from Tigrayit. Or Tigrinya for that matter. (Just look at words we use for eyes, ears, teeth, tongue…and you will see a lot of overlap.)
      3. It is perfectly normal for language lovers to fight to maintain its purity and reject its bastardization, but I prefer when this comes from civil society, scholars and not the heavy hand of the government.
      4. In this particular example, to replace the word “sefeer” just because it is also used in Arabic (again, for all we know Arabs may have borrowed that from Tigrayit) is misguided. And it is absurd when the replacement for “sefeer” translates to “he who is delegated by his country to another.”

      Hala Ali Salim:

      That was clever: using a dictatorial president as reference for the job of everybody else. But again those descriptions are too long and . If we think the word “president” is borrowed and we want to come up with our own, I say we make the title dependent on the person occupying it. So, in the present case, it would be “glul” or “gemish.”

      saay

  • SM

    Abinet,
    Excuse me sir.No,no,no, thanks.We do not need you at all, eventhough you are pushing or begging for it—to change the regime by any means possible,which is a “sacrosanct” policy and dogma/doctrine of your government.
    We can handle our own business.Tthe reason we have been unable so far–partially, is because you have been interfering in our internal business.Unless you live in Mars.you know the facts.
    Haile,
    Again,so you are telling us that the Ethiopians and/or their regime,have never done any thing wrong to us as it is just the PFDJ gang messing up all things??.
    Are you the Ethiopian or Weyane Ambassador here?
    We repeatedly expressed it that the PFDJ might be /is equally responsible but to declare officialy in an Eritrean(presumably) website that the Ethiopians are and/ or their regime is clean from this atrocity,is but absurd.
    Who is going to follow you?
    After all, why are these Ethiopians here?Let them mind their business.

    • haile

      SM

      I don’t think you get my main message here. As an Eritrean, I protest against the issues troubling Eritreans. Those are to do with the unlawful regime that we have which insists that you are either its slave (mentally and physically) or you are stateless (as in birthrights). I challenge you to repeat what you said here “the regime lacked due process” and “the regime makes mischief” in a mekete meeting. You know that as far as the regime is concerned, you’re only good for what you utter to cover the trail of blood of innocent Eritreans that they continue to shed. If what you utter doesn’t do it for them, you don’t do as an “Eritrean” of their convoluted description.

      Ethiopia is a neighboring country, all problems need to be resolved amicably. You are not going to be thrown to the line of fire should the two people go to war. And it is IMMORAL for you to be a spokesperson for those who would. I oppose the regime for illegally holding power and it must surrender it without any precondition (forget reform or reconciliation) and it is a must that every Eritrean throw their weight on that. Engaging in personal, emotional, spiteful and insensitive exchanges here with Ethiopians doesn’t represent the views or best interests of the vast majority of Eritreans. It only serves cheap PFDJ propaganda, which everyone is fully aware of.

      Regards

      • Hayat Adem

        htg, i am loving you even more.

        • SM

          Because he agreed with your TPLF agenda??

          • Hayat Adem

            because he is making sense. that is what only takes to get my vote- make
            sense. haile the great is so focused on things that matter now, on
            things that matter in the future. he is laser-beam focused and hardly
            distracted by non-issues. above all, he has that ermine-level purity as
            he walks. he stayed clean from any kind of trash substandard talks as in
            belittling a group of people.
            look, i try to start my day with what i want to do in order of my priorities, importance and urgencies. anything that helps me do that is fine. anything that obstructs me is NOT. my priority is change in eritrea now. i don’t start from what tplf wants to do or plans. if i can work with them without harming my
            interests and if that speeds up the change i want, then fine. if not, i
            do it without them.
            The talk of “Abay tigray” -halewlew- should never bother any serious person. really. Pfdj propagandists created that for the consumption of their zombie supporters. Selam kidane typified pfdj supporters in 3 categories: the cowards, the crooks and the groupies. Most of the first two are inside and the last type are mostly outside the country. Pfdj’s propaganda targets the third type for the most as they are the most petted supporters. When pfdj tells them nikhid, they don’t ask how far, why stc. Instead you find them singing “nikhid tiray”. Pfdj propogandists have two bones they throw to this petted groupies for them to catch and run: ‘abay tigray” and “the tigray inferiority”. Of course, both are created by the pfdj. Of course, both issues have nothing to do with tigreans or eritreans for that matter. Nobody is bothered by such nonsensical and nonexistent notions. It is a bone thrown to the petted pfdj groupies and they catch and run in different directions. They may have misled some analysts on their way but by large the bones are for own consumption.

          • Adhanet

            Abay Tigray is not PFDJ creation but a well documented FACT with the maps created by TPLF and The Malelit Party and its its Manifesto cnfirmed that.The 2000 war specially the Aseb Front humiliating defeat smashed that dream.
            Selam Kid is my cousin by blood and I know her better than any body.She is a well known TPLF agent. Besides being a cadre of smerr group and she has no gut or moral ground to represent any genuine Eritrean cause.
            You may like her due to her membership in your club.
            Just be yourself and mind your business and finish your diploma from the School of YG.

      • SM

        But you still believe though based on what you said above, that what the Ethiopians are doing against Eritrea is “lawful”.
        Heavens no,I will never buy you/your idea,no matter what.

    • Abinet

      Don’t expect us to sit back and let you butcher Emama Ethiopia eve though it is Eritrean website . If you haven’t noticed we don’t tend to comment when the issue at hand doesn’t envolve us directly or indirectly.
      “Atnkun yilalu enji kenekuachew
      Ende emechat nebir yifelal demachew”

  • Ermias

    Apology to anyone offended by my post about Ethiopians. I sincerely do apologize. Bad choice of words on my side. Justice, peace, and prosperity to Eritreans and Ethiopians! Thank you!

    • Horizon

      Ermias,

      Some people say that apologizing is a weakness. I for one see the greatness of a person in his readiness to apologize, when he/she is on the wrong side due to wrong calculations. Be sure, if my opinion has any weight, I could say that, after this, I see not a single dent in your good character.

      We need more of people who can see far into the future, people who dare to ask what is good for both people, and what should be the most rational and positive reality for both people in the future. For example, ten years from now, should we still be at each other’s throat or should we work together to fight poverty.

    • Abinet

      Now you talking, brother . Apology accepted 100% .
      Peace and prosperity for both people!

      • SM

        Case closed but make sure you practise what you preach-though.Respect our Territorial Integrity and National Interest as well and stop- the non-stop gurra–

    • T. Kifle

      It’s not the choice of words that you should apologize for but for the very thought of being “racist”. Such comments have roots and uprooting them all is quite a piece of work.But, don’t you see that your comment is like in “the kettle call the pot black”?. I thought you were one among the grown-up men who overcame their emotional outbursts and debate issues with piece of mind.

      Moderator,

      I can see the double standards where such racist comments could make it through easily. If Ermias’s comment doesn’t contravene the posting guideline of this website, I wonder what a defamation is meant to be.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Mr. Kifle,
        If words express thoughts, and if one apologize for his words, he is also apologizing for the words that might or might not imply his thoughts. We don’t know whether those words will explain his thoughts exactly. So what we should do in such scenario is, we simply accept it. We don’t argue on what probably might be in his mind. A man of your caliber shouldn’t delve to such argumentative debate, of a type, I know in your mind. Perceptional debate is not helpful. You should stick with your core values and try to influence your opposite side.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • T. Kifle

          Mr. Amanuel,

          Your message is spot on. But how about the responsibility of the moderator? It seems a convinient all-pass filter

      • Ermias

        *T. Kifle, you are right in the sense that an apology could be a lip service and the apologizing party could still have ill thoughts. That is not me. In my response to Eyob, I have expressed my genuine love and respect for the Ethiopian people. The phrase I used that caused this controversy is indeed unfortunately the wrong choice of words to express my thoughts. It was meant to be humorous but apparently not and I apologized for it. My thought was that the sheer number of Ethiopians (at least 20 for every Eritrean) should be the number one deterrent for any provocation from Eritreans. We need to acknowledge that Ethiopia is bigger, has more people, more resources, and more allies. We then need to strategize based on those facts (goes to opposition and to PFDJ). Simple. As far as your request to the moderator, I didn’t make it to the whitelist for no reason. I hope you are in now too. You make good sense to me all the time.

        *I wrote a similar message to you earlier but it disappeared. Moderator, if you see that message, you can delete to avoid redundancy. There seems to be a weird bug this morning.

    • haile

      Great job Ermias, you see the way I think about it is that just as Malcom X said, “I have the right to be wrong”. The only addition to that is that I also respect myself enough not to stick around with my “wrong” even for a single split second more than I have to. Apology is of course the surest way of totally distancing myself from it (true that people have the right to accept or not, but that becomes an entirely different problem where I would be on the “right” 🙂

      With Respect,
      Haile The great, abi seb, Talaqu sew, la inas A’bi, al Aazeem…. (Regional Elder- I can see IA getting hot under the collars at the raise of Haile the new Talaqu sew) 🙂

      • Jo

        Haile,

        With all due respect, why don’t we abbreviate your title and call you “ID Haile” instead. Id will, of course, represent all the titles the late Idi amin Dada had. that way we don’t waste ink and space. It even sounds cool :)!!! What do you think?

        • haile

          haha…very funny but missed it narrowly! You see JO people like id mh ia … have titles and positions to divide and polarize people. People like haile, mother teresa and dila lama actually have titles for the opposite purpose, to bring people together and create understanding. 🙂

          • Jo

            Mother Teresa ergo Dalai Lama ergo Haile, I admire your aspiration to be like those giants. You see, Mother Teresa and Dalai Lama have divorced themselves from the earthly vanities that pollute your mind and corrupt your soul and embraced the heavenly virtues; forgiveness, love, harmony, serenity, enlightenment…. Are you ready to abandon the earthly stuff (vanities) and venture towards enlightenment of the mind and soul? Alas!!! how wonderful it would have been if you were sincere about it. :)!

  • Semere Andom

    Hey Hade:
    Tigrayit has nothing to do with Tigray, it has lots to do Eritrea, in fact the pioneers of the armed struggle were speakers of Tigrayit and the reason you do not know about it now because is extinct 🙂
    Sem Andom

  • ALI-S

    TT,
    Were you born like this or did you learn to be one?

  • Ermias

    Some Ethiopians are accusing me of calling them flies and declaring war on them. Please read below from my post yesterday and help me understand why they are overly sensitive.

    1. Is it possible to completely weed out the PFDJ? A lot of economic and political pressure from Eritreans and the international community alike can go a long way but there is collateral damage there. Even so, is that enough to break PFDJ completely? It looks more likely that, it might bend them rather than break them. Ethiopian interference is probably the most likely way to completely weed out the PFDJ organization but even that would take repeated offensives as in salsay werrar. I am 100% against Ethiopian interference specially any wars with or against them. They are breeding like flies, pushing100 million now. I am just laying out the hypothetical scenarios here.

    • Abinet

      All I said was it is none of our business to interfere in weeding out the gang you worshiped until you wake up from your deep sleep. We died in thousands and thousands to keep you with us .we lost you won . Now, we don’t have any reason to die for you. We don’t want to lose twice . As I said it before , find your own solution without involving us . Yes I am very sensitive when you compare us with flies .

    • haile

      oh dear, oh dear Ermias…I would have thought it to be a poor choice of wording needing an apology, if it was me. Of course, I am in no position to say what should be right for you either. In my particular case, my attacks are reserved to my adversary, the Eritrean regime. To express inflammatory speech against Ethiopians from my western comfort zone is something I consider immoral in my case. It is my fellow Eritrean at the front line is going to take the burnt of any conflict between the brotherly peoples, and I wish to make engagement with our Ethiopian brothers and sisters here to be cordial, friendly and respectful that promotes peace and fraternity. Using terms such as “they breed like flies” is not sensitive nor helpful. I am confident that this must be a slip of tongue (Just like the Beles issue with Hayat) and it is good to rest matters with proper apology.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Haile,

        Ermias has apologized, and all water is under the bridge..:-)

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi Haile,
        I agree, you are The Great ‘man’. In Tigrayit you would say: Haile, la inas Abi (read the ‘A’ in Abi like in Arki or Alem).
        As SGJ said, Abi in wisdom belongs to God, but there is Abi also among his peers, wiser.
        Abi could mean older in age (source of wisdom), higher in rank, or wiser. The later is the case of Haile (yours). Wiser does not have age reference.
        I will give an example for SGJ, naachiq and batiq, I may add fars: are greatness of military nature like in the case of Wedi Ali, baatiq tu (this is the case of maranet or murwet). In Tigrinya you would say queratznet. I do not claim the last word in Tigrayit., if I am wrong I stand corrected in the later part of my argument.

        • saay7

          Haile Zeru:

          The problem is that if we call Haile “la inas Abi”, then somebody will demand “we la inas n’ush mentu?” You know: same principle of Saturday/Sunday in Tigrayit: Senbet n’esh/Senbet Abbay. Little Sunday and Big Sunday 🙂

          saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi SAAY,
            I do not see my previous message here, so I will add this one. ‘AQL’, I do not know how you could make sense of those three consonants. But it is a word in Tigre that means ‘Labib’. In Tigrinya the same word means ‘patience’ (AQLI giber). The female version of it is AQLet. the maschuline version has the same meaning as in arabic. My guess is, this word was adopted by the arabs from Tigre. While the ‘Sefeer’ I think the tigre adopted it from the arabi Language.
            So here is another word ‘AQL tu’. The opposite would be Glul. Of course you cannot say Glul to Issayas (President). Because it would make him look nice. It will completely miss his cruel nature or let us say the un-nutural nature.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Haile Z , Saay and Gadi:
            who is to argue with SGJ about Tigrayit, but here is my 5 Nacfa, apologies to those who cannot count in Nacfa (as 5 Nacfa is an amount that cannot be quantified in any currency) First What Gadi suggested: fars and hatir do not speak to wisdom as in “greatness” as it applies to Haile, they speak to physical courage, not that HTG is not courageous.
            Gadi try to coax your memory to remember what the elders said in their village meetings to solve disputes, that would be the best place to find it

            Thanks
            Sem Andom

          • Haile Zeru

            I Agree with you. That’s why i propose the following options:
            1) Haile, la inas Labib
            2) Haile, la inas A’Q’L. I have problem with the sound of the letters.
            3) Haile, la inas A’bi
            Pick your choice or add more

          • Semere Andom

            Hiale Z:
            1. I do not know about this?
            2. same, problem with the sound
            3. This is literal translation, it does not make sense and it connotes physical to me
            Gadi do something before Saay settles for iGlul 🙂
            I remembered a joke: EPLF was trying to coin a word for economy inTigrayit and they did not like the Arabic “eqtsad” so they asked a Tigrayit speaker and he suggested “sheqenot”, translated to be thrifty. What do they call it now?
            Sem

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Semere A

            Labib means Lebam (in Tigrinya)
            A’Q’L means also Lebam in Tigrinya
            I like the third one. I wrote about it in more detail but may be I said something that moderator did not like. I do not see it.
            A’bi could mean big in size, in age, in rank or simply wise.
            La inas A’bi means The great guy, man. It could mean any of the above. You will guess it by the context.
            I would love it, if SGJ comes with some more.

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile, before I go further, let me tell you this:
            I just checked, you are on the whitelist. But as we have been saying it over and over again, Disqus is a third party platform and we do not take any blame for how it behaves, or on what you are doing that irritates Dusqus 🙂 Once you stop insinuations and blaming the moderator for what happens between you and the platform, a sort of paranoia, I will refrain from engaging with you 🙂

        • SM

          We-Seb’inet,if I may add.
          Ahhhh,I am dealing with own close family here then—
          I take things back.

    • Eyob Medhane

      Ermias,

      Honestly, I think you are a decent person. I do. I read how you responded to my reaction down there (I hate scrolling down. That’s why I came here) and I accept it. However, the way you put it came out a bit wrong. That was all… Friends?! 🙂

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hey Sem, Sem,

    Why are we mixing “Reconciliation” and “Reformism”. So Are you guys telling us, those who are talking about reformism of PFDJ are talking implicitly about reconciliation? The U-turns looks actually not a straight u-turns (after the curve) but zig-zag U-turns. Let us see where your u-turns takes us. It becomes now a new fashion of Eritrean politics. Weygud Antum Sebat!!!

    • Semere Andom

      Hey Emma:
      You know how I feel about U-turns from my angry comments recently. But one thing is for sure. PFDJ as we know it cannot be reformed. But here is a scenario: let say someone lbu zhamem, but to take care of his family he just coasted on his Ghedli accolade/reputation and played along, but his hand is as clean as Pilot’s and he manages to take power and wants a new democratic Eritrea and wants the opposition to get its acts together and to get ready for a democratic transition and he reverses everything PFDJ did, redeems himself, apologizes profusely. What do we do? I do not mean reforming as in PFDJ to wake up and tell us they are reformed, I cannot accept that because it can be dangerous and it can mean that PFDJ back is on the walls and they want to buy time. We cannot go after, DIA, SophieT, Gideon Abay and every PFDJ imbecile, practically impossible.
      You and I agreed about how south A transitioned, so along the lines of that kind of change. When Deklark saw the writing on the wall and accepted many terms from ANC, was it good or bad for SA? The criminals did not get away with crimes, but the vicious cycle of violence that plagues many African countries, was intelligently and with foresight avoided. Until that elusive article of mine shows up, in this comments section that is how I want you to read me:-). I also look forward to an article from you to take up on the real U-turning and renegade crowd.
      Thanks
      Sem Andom

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Sem,

        I understand your point. Reconciliation without justice is not reconciliation to me. The South African way is good for them based on their circumstances. We will have our own way of reconciliation that will bring peace and justice to our reality. On that note we will discus when we get there.

        Frankly, I am not against the existence of PFDJ as a party if they want it. I am against the state apparatus and its culture. And I believe it should be dismantled and replaced. Let me say it again clearly: if we are fighting to dismantle the party as a party, then we are not better than them. We can’t infringe their rights if they want to have it. Our focus should be on the system as a system. We need a constitutional democratic state that respect the coexistence of it parts and brings peace and tranquility to our people.

        By the way I can’t wait to read your article. Myself I will wait until Younis finish his project of “U-turns”. I think, so far he didn’t come to the practical part of the U-turns which is the hardest part. He only tried to conceptualize it with a vague terminologies to throw his readers in to the unknown theoretical land. We shall see.
        With all respect,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Hade n Aserte أحد عشر

          Mr. Hidrat: Don’t count your chickens before their hatched. Who died and put you in charge of deciding the fate of political parties. Who are you to decide whether the PFDJ should or should not exist? I would mind the pharmacy if I were you. Somebody might make out with all that medicine in the store.

        • Mussie Gebreab

          Wedboy Memhir Hidrat, you stated “Frankly, I am not against the existence of PFDJ as a party if they want it. I am against the state apparatus and its culture. And I believe it should be dismantled and replaced. Let me say it again clearly: if we are fighting to dismantle the party as a party, then we are not better than them. We can’t infringe their rights if they want to have it “.
          Can you tell the readers the difference between the PFDJ and the GOE or you are making the Straight U-Turn not the Zig Zag U- Turn of Ali salim you called early.

          • SM

            If I may add:
            That is a complete contradiction of Aman has been saying.May be Aman is trying to join Ali salim or SAAY by making a sort of U-turn with some zigzag??

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Emma:
          My earlier note to Ermias was to address the issue of the revenge that the bottled anger may foster. PFDJ/GOE/Isaiaisit or whatever their name happens to be, the mafia group under the leadership of DIA must be dismantled, no dithering about it.But for us to have at shot at brighter future, a future that was darkened by the PFDJ. If there are some people, no matter how small their numbers with traces of redeeming qualities and are willing to tell it all and give up all their power, are willing to be banned from public office for 100 years in exchange for not hunting them down and killing them, there can be some hope to salvage what is left.Violence will only beget violence. And you have to believe amid the darkness of PFDJ there is someone with humanity lurking out there. Think of Oscar Schnderlist during the Nazi reign.
          With all my optimism with humanity,there is also despair, as a nation like ours that murders its founding fathers and chief of staffs may not have a redeeming quality and that is where the PFDJ supporters are delusional and in the wrong side of history, to believe and blindly that we have a bright future even if DIA kills the founding fathers and visionaries- it is as delusional as to think that the USA will be successful even if Washington had eliminated Jefferson, Madison and Franklin.The future is not certain, for all we know we maybe stuck in the very cycle of violence that other nations faced, but it is worth trying. The other people we think we outshine in every aspect of life, are equally tenacious, smart and as brave. But I digress.
          The dismantling of PFDJ is a must for the foundation of a just society, but they will be co-operating FREELY in the removal of the debris. And during the process of the rubble removal, trust and bonding can be incubated that may be the seedling of liberation for all of us, we are all in bondage, we by their crimes and them by their demons. It is like when the prosecutor, who works for the public good, makes a deal with a small time criminal in to get the top criminal. Did the prosecutor make a U-turn and abandon his covenant? 🙂

          Sem Andom

    • SM

      Aman,
      Please tell us how to proceed–what strategy to apply,how to implement it,etc—-including how to weed out the PFDJ,how to destroy th ePFDJ infrac-structure and when,and under what circumstance–etc–

  • Hade n Aserteأحد عشر

    qq: What is Tigrayit? Does it have to do with Tigray? Can’t figure out what it means.

  • Hade n Aserte أحد عشر

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why folks in the opposition advocate sanctions against their own people and country. It’s the height of stupidity and betrayal. Sanctions only make life difficult for the average citizen.

    • Hayat Adem

      there is one easy demarcation line you can do without the need to involve Ethiopia, EEBC and the UN: this regime and the people (the nation). what is done to the regime doesn’t mean it is done on the people or the nation. what is sanction? In fact some of us want to do more than sanctioning to incapacitate the regime. We want to weed them out and lock the leaders behind bars.

  • Rodab

    Featured comments, lol. Nice and funny.
    Just make sure that section displays real short messages, if not it will lose its taste.

    • Saleh Johar

      Help us trace TT for that 🙂 But good point. If someone posts a short, witty, insightful comment, there is a chance it would be featured. I love this tool. Thank you teregna moderator..

      • Rodab

        teregna is Amharic, fyi. Don’t ask for Tigrigna equivalent. There isn’t a good one – at least not a single word. There is beAl mesr’E.

        • Saleh Johar

          True, I think it’s beAal terra. I ahave also heard beAl zuria. Among the jeberti there is a word for it: tertib. It is the turn for a family to prepare coffee and qursi bun for the neighborhood mosques. It also tertib in Arabic. There is another word: Tigrnya- gdekha’ey and Tigrayet dorka tu. Again dor is also the same in Arabic which could be translated as both role and turn.

          • Rodab

            gdekha is suited for oral communication. Replace that for teregna on your original comment and see if it works.

      • Ermias

        SGJ, sorry if this is too silly but I wonder how this website would look if you were to put Nitricc as an intern moderator.

  • Saleh Johar

    C’mon Eyob! Don’t go too sensitive on us. I have said “are you breeding like rabbits,” but I have no malice intended. It was just a joke. Too stiff, you risk breaking your neck… and you know humor more than many. Your characterization of Ermias is wrong.

    • Ermias

      SGJ, please hang on for a while because I bet you Nitricc is going to go nuts on me. I might need you to defend me then and smash him the way you did to SM last night.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ermias, I have a weak spot for Nitricc, he is a veteran and that comes with a few baliqas on his shoulder. I think he is mellowing down. I know he goes for tough challenges; he has to be challenged equally. Aber zeybllu ayyeweled endiyu, he is getting thrifty at name calling 🙂 As for defense, sometimes I become a referee when it’s my, just a referee. Other times, you are on your own buddy 🙂

  • AMAN

    The most hilarious thing registered in the Guinness book for the new millennium as you have already guessed it is The drama and media culture which came as new to Ethiopia
    and how they use it. [Moderator: please don’t include “kkkkkkk” in your comments.] I still can’t stop laughing how they try to stereotype you. It is like shooting a gun pointing
    the barrel/muzzle towards yourself. I was able to observe this when I was a visiting field worker at TOL for almost a year. I hope this doesn’t come to AWATE people. It is suicidal.

  • haile

    Hello awatistas,

    What is Eritrea’s Gross National Happiness? BTW happy Int. Day of Happiness! Wow..it is March 20, again!! (never heard of it before!!). How much of Eritrea’s Gross National Happiness affected by a) IA b) PFDJ c) Opposition d) The people e) The individual ??

    Here is a “what makes you happy..” video, less than 2min.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gmSdKLqW3s

    • Saleh Johar

      You are sure we don’t have the day of btaHgwas FinchiH ille? An answer to your poll: if we don’t have Maalti FinchiH, it is because of a+b.

      • haile

        Sal and Aman,

        I suspect that the main reason could be (on top of the huge doses of abuse Eritreans get from hgdef) there is NO SINGLE area of development in Eritrea in the last 23 years!!! Can any one think of anything that Eritreans progressed into as a result of allowing PFDJ to walk all over us? None! I am talking of any major thing that would bring national pride. Nothing at all. The Airline was a big failure, the med school was put down barely 4 years later, homes and buildings were suspended and most ended up with heartache after PFDJ did a runner with their money… A dark streets where people use mobile phone as flashlight, broken water system causing an all day wait for water ration, unpaid youth in national service, massive human tragedies to escape the country, many disappeared family members, the corpse of Naizghi Kflu waiting over a month seeking to get buried and getting turned down, all Lampedusa victims abandoned unceremoniously all over Southern Italy, Eritreans in Djibouti, Libya, Indonesia, Vietnam…forgotten to quietly disappear…

        It is strange however that some people naively expect an entity “PFDJ” that is accumulating huge resentment can be worked with to expedite the type of tailor made change for the Eritrean people that they propose from afar… I would bet my last dime that NOT A SINGLE person would admit to ever have been a PFDJ once IA is gone, let alone dare you to be elected to rule you some more 🙂

        • haile

          Actually this picture of Faud Alamin (Eri movie actor in Ethiopia) and Salina another popular young eri actors in Ethiopia are testament to the hopeless life under PFDJ in Eritrea (Salina is on the right of the two girls in the second picture is now in Ethiopia).

          • Rodab

            McHailat,
            Faud’s highest point so far has to be his performance on the wildly, crazily, blockbusterly popular Eritrean movie “Milenu”. Man, that movie is something, huh? It would’ve won all the Oscar and Golden Globe awards. “Tmali” has to be the second best. I was back home when it was running and I remember how eagerly everyone gathered to watch it.

          • haile

            hello Rodab… I am a huge fun of “Milenu”…Tmali is something I’ve still to watch…I keep postponing it! Have you got hold of “Swue tezaribu”? Apparently, it is a powerfully emotional movie from start to end…

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hailat,

      Do you mean Gross National Sadness? We Eritreans have been in endless sadness fighting to change and reverse the situation into Happiness. Albeit difficult from where we are standing.

  • Saleh Johar

    T..T, do you understand what a pen name is? He gave his bio and the least you can do is check it with his former colleagues at EPDP. If you want to stay confused, please do not contaminate others with your cynicism.

    • T..T>

      I think I am in a better position to know about him. Anyway, your associating him with EPDP undeniably proves Ali Salim’s intention. I checked and found that Alem Goitom spoke/posted against Ali Salim 17 times, Nharinet’s webmaster (T.) posted accusation against him like 5 times, and Degiga bad mouthed about him several times. I even checked records in south Africa. If you need, many more can follow.

      • SM

        In my opinion, there are only two possible case scenarios about Ali Salim based on his conflicting reports and based on having “menkesakesi from all the Opposition groups.:
        Either he is mentally unstable or he is an under-cover PFDJ spy-agent to create chaos,confusion and divison among the opposition groups

  • T..T>

    I still consider Ali Salim and Hoissen (<= ???????) pen names. He or she confirmed a person who uses Isaysists TEMPLATE (divide and weaken) to create diversion in the
    opposition focus. When the opposition is confronting realities, focusing on standout topics, and gathering voices to defeat the enemy of the Eritrean youth and people, this person always tries to create skepticism and distrust. Open your eyes.

  • haile

    Awatista’s,

    The PFDJ websites are dancing kumbaya for hgdef’s supreme intelligence gathering skills. This of course to do with leaked consular memo from Ethiopian MOFA. It reveals the surprising and spectacular fact that the Ethiopian government supports and is working to enforce and tighten the sanction. Wow…the thing is that to the Ethiopians themselves, this is an old news from almost a month ago that was reported by one of its opposition media ESAT news on Feb. 26:

    http://ethsat.com/video/esat-dc-daily-news-26-feb-2014/

    Is this an admission that Col. Simon Gebredngle has officially become a Tesseney based importer exporter of contraband goods?

    • SM

      But Hailat, doesn’t this prove to you about the evil intentions of the Ethiopians you are appreciating,huh? Something is fishy here .If you are the Haile that I know in twin cities, I should not have wasted my time ‘debating ” with you.

  • Hade n Aserte

    Did y’all see the leaked document that Tigray is trying to prolong the sanctions and agony on the Eritrean people and economy? It is trying to choke the Eritrean economy so it can weak Ertirea enough and then try to take it over and establish Abay Tigray?

    • haile

      Really felt sorry for Asmelash, who had to translate and read all that. Gosh, poor Amelash.. his shirt’s neck collars twisted, his hair disheveled, his tooth missing and eyes hallowed out!!! As to the document, the revelation is supposed to be that the Ethiopian government instructed all of its consular and diplomatic missions to firmly campaign for the strict implementation of the sanction to the letter and resist any movement to have it lifted or further watered down. They believe that the regime has not changed its destabilizing activities, they see their interest at stake and are doing their homework to defend their interests. They seem to want to continue the IGAD and AU to be the vehicle and plan to engage them in the issue. It turned out that their FM said that to VOA, PMHD said that to the same media, their MoFA released the same statement, in all saying that Eritrean regime has not changed fundamentally. Now, what new was found to drag Asmelash through all that translation, reading and other work. anta nezi asmelash kemgele geyrna zeynesgro n Ethiopia…hkmna keman mgebere 🙂

    • T. Kifle

      “ከባለቤቱ ያወቀ ቡዳ ነው” አሉ አበው። “ዓባይ ትግራይ” የሚሉት ፈሊጥ ከየት እየፈጠራችሁ እንደምታወሩት የሚገርም ነገር ነው። ወዳጆቻቸውን የማይለዩ እንከፎች ካታላቁ ሃይለ መንደር ለምን በዙ? ዓባይ ትግራይን ኤርትራዊ ህልም የሚያስመስሉ ምልክቶች በተደጋጋሚ አይተናል። ግን ጅራፍ ራሱ ገርፎ ለምን ይጮሃል? የእናት ሆድ ዝንጉርጉር ሆነና ሳልሕ ጋዲን ፣ሳልሕ ዩኑስን፣ የሴፍ ገ/ህይወትን፣ አማኑኤል ሕድራትን፣ ስ(ሰራይን)፣ ታላቁ ሃይለን፣ ሃያት አደምን፣ ፓፒልዮንን፣ አምደን እና ሌሎች አብሪ ኮከቦችን የፈጠረው ኤርትራዊ ማህጸን “ሓደ ን ዓሰርተንና” ናይትሪክን የመሰሉ እንገዴል-ጆችና ስም የለሾች ማብቀሉ እንደገረመኝ አለ።

      • saay7

        Selamat T. Kifle and Haile:

        Nice, T. Kifle. Haile, it appears that your monicker “the great” is permanent: it’s been translated to Amharic now: “Talaku Haile.”

        btw, T.Kifle, some dude with your name wrote a rebuttal against the accusers of Greater Tigray ambitions and he addressed it to Dear Mr. Y. I went full ELF-RC retard (paranoid) and thought you were addressing me. Were you, or was that a composite you created?

        saay

        • Ermias

          This is hillarious stuff. Talaku Haile. I love it! Tinglish please someone. “I went full ELF-RC retard (paranoid).” That expression needs to make it to the medical dictionary. Emma, any medicine for SAAY who is showing symptoms of ‘full blown ELF-RC paranoia’? Ok, that is just for gigs.

          • T. Kifle

            Selamat Ermias,

            Retard in Tigrigna is ድንፁይ (as SAAY’s adjective is meant figurative)

            By the way you are in the list of my favourites.

          • Hayat Adem

            I may have missed a thing or two here. what is this white-list? am i in it?

          • Saleh Johar

            Whitelist means, you love the moderators so-much you relieve them from the task of moderating your comments. You can post without your posts being moderated, a trusted Awatista 🙂
            NB: the system is sometimes erratic, don’t blame the moderators.

          • Ermias

            Hayatom,
            deki ayni maar kemzi kemayn kemakin ab whitelist atina alena. baal Nitricc, Mussie Gebreab, emo ab hamokishti-list eyom zhilwu, esuka enda wehadom.

          • adhanet

            May be because you do NOT follow your heart or do NOT have an indpendent mind other than appeasing others—-zi-neghese nigusey–

        • Ermias

          SAAY, I thought I made it to the whitelist but I have been seeing “Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Awate.” Twice now since yesterday.

        • T. Kifle

          SAAY dear,

          I am not aware of SAAY accusing us of this fictitious concoction called “Abay Tigray”. Yes, I have a baggage of few misgivings with you on other accounts and most of them being discussed in our ping-pongs in the past.

          But that particular “rebuttal” was for Semere Tesfai and his ilk who hallucinate and peddle the “divide-and-rule” mantra perfected by the supremo-IA.
          This is how they do it. First they create their “facts”, then attack us with impunity, go ይካኣሎ ኩሉ ይካኣሎ and settle in self-gratification.

          Seriously, “Abay Tigray” is alien to the collective psyche of Tigreans.

          • Ermias

            T. Kifle, “Seriously, “Abay Tigray” is alien to the collective psyche of Tigreans.” I would bet that the average Tigrayan has never heard that expression in the context of Eritrea+Tigray forming Abay Tigray. This is not to say though that Tigrayans do not have ambitions of empowering Tigray to the extent of controlling Ethiopia and exerting a lot of influence over the greater Horn of Africa. I believe they already are.

        • haile

          Saay and T.Kifle,

          Talaqu Haile, just love it 🙂 Thanks brother T. Kifle, even saay a possible Tigrayt speaker never coined a term for my title in that language. You beat him to it. Good job. So we have: Haile the great, Haile a’bi seb, Haile talaqu sew…we still need takers for arabic (Saleh J), Oromofaan (Eyoba), Tigrayt (Saay), Afar (Fremale Faro – where is he nowadays any way) and we can see we can regionalize it as far as possible 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile AlAzeem, but the Arabs pronounce Haile as hailee.Therfore, hailee al Aazeem. Sayy will get you the Tigre equivalent.

          • Semere Andom

            Abu Salah:
            Mi tu? Out sourcing and entrusting the coining of Tigrayit to an Asmarino. Haram Aleka;-)
            But we need to translate this tile to the 9 languages, so all Eritreans can can equally enjoy the pleasures of the titles 🙂
            I was thinking about you a few days ago when in PFDJ video I heard people translating ” to graduate” (memraQ) as (medHar). Saleh Gadi weletu adHara 🙂

            Semere Andom

          • Saleh Johar

            They have taken everything, we might as well let them have Tigrayet peacefully, Deharnaha ‘glom:-)

          • saay7

            Semere:

            Part of PFDJ’s strategy with Tigrayit is to de-Arabize it. So, back in sane times, the Tigrayit word for ambassador was the same as it is in Arabic: Sefeer. We can’t have that. So they came up with something that translates “He who is delegated by his country to another.” They replaced the job title with a job description. A trouble-maker at Facebook suggested that since “president” is not a local word, we should change Isaias’s title to “he who does whatever the hell he wants.”

            saay

          • ALI-S

            SAAY,

            Very funny!

            But on the positive side I thing the “trouble- maker” actually solves the “one-man-show” system. Think of it: since by definition there can only one person “who does whatever he wants to do”, you can practically name everyone in terms of that person say “Nsu”. You can call the minister of agriculture “he who plants whatever he who does whatever he wants to do tells him to plant”. The information minister “he who says …” and so on. The Presidents secretary “she who writes …”.

            There is even more to it. You can define the opposition as part of the system if you mange to find a term to mean: “those who do whatever he who does whatever he wants to do tells them not to do”. (:-)

          • saay7

            Hi Haile, Semere, and SGJ:

            Haile, my Tigrayit is, in my imagination, TSL (Tigrayit as a Second Language), but to those who hear my accent when I speak it it is TFL (Tigrayit as a Fourth Language.) So, Haile, I leave that coining your title in Tigrayit and Arabic* to SGJ–not my department. Semere: I am multilingual in Tigrinya: I speak 70s-era Asmarino Tigrinya (eg: Alora! kla, kheliyna bejakha n’ekel alena), ordinary Tigrinya and Tigrinya Shaebia.

            saay

            * Speaking of Arabic, Yemane Gebreab’s was quite fluid in the Arabic interview he had with Russian TV (the one we translated and the one Tesfa News stole.) But I shouldn’t say more about that because he has an insanely envious boss:))

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            After akla neta Asmarino tshiyfa emo kedika tdrba 🙂

            Semere

          • Saleh Johar

            kab weredeni! Haile, the Tigrayet approximate translation is: naachiq Haile, or baatik Haile, or naachig w’baatik Haile. You can add Haatir to that. There is no direct translation for “Great” in Tigrayet–it is reserved for God… and if you are a PFDJ, for their god 🙂 For translation of baatik, naachiq and Haatir ,ask Saay. It only requires TSL.

      • Hade n Aserte أحد عشر

        Mr. T. Kifle, Non comprende! I’m sorry I don’t understand Amharic. Honestly, I never learned it. Speak to me in Tigrigna or Arabic. Those are my languages.
        التحدث معي في لغتي
        هل فهم لي ؟

        • Peace!

          حتي لو كان يعرف اللغة العربية ماكان راح يتكلم بها

      • SM

        Yihe ma ye-adebabay mistir aidele endie?
        Do NOT insult the intelligence.

    • SM

      Where is Haile the Great? can you comment on the above comment,please!

  • Mussie Gebreab

    Dawit Hadami, the Halengi Sewra will reach you Alaska late alone Atlanta( aytihdem tiray)

    • Mussie Gebreab

      Moderator, come on now!!! I didn’t bring the Haleng Sewra here Dawit did. what is going on here? Am I not to defend/respond my self at tall ? or you are doing la Weyane style sanction company against me ?

  • T. Kifle

    Dear moderator,

    I couldn’t log into Awate forum with my old account and hence changed a new one with the same handle. Please help to make one for me if you have a corner for a distant neighbour who cannot live without this wonderful website and its writers.

    • AOsman

      Selamat T.Kifle,

      Awate.com don’t manage accounts, you need to set up an account on disqus.com, then you can use it to come here at awate and many other websites if you so wish.

      Regards
      AOsman

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Mr. Kifle,

      I had a problem like you. The easiest way is to go to the Disqus and log in. I believe I got that advice from Rodab and he was right.

    • T. Kifle

      Dears,
      Amanuel and Aosman,

      I thank you very much for the info. I did as per your advice and got it right. Why the hell is this moderator slept on my plea?

  • Abinet

    Are you LT by any chance?

  • Rodab

    Question to the house:
    Consider these two events from today:

    1 – PIA appointed two officials for high level positions. One of the positions is potential vice-presidency,
    2 – A Kenyan police in Kenya arrested two suspected criminals.

    Now to the the questions…
    a) Which one of the two events do you expect to make it to EriTv?
    b) Which one of the two events do you actually think made it to EriTv?

    • haile

      hey Rodab…what is this, መደብ ተዓወት? Over 500 Eritreans entered Italy over the last 48 hours and more are expected in the next 24 hrs, while some in the opposition are busy to unpick the best qualities of PFDJ! Who is worse in terms of serving its own purpose?

  • haile

    Awatistas

    ህግደፍ ሜላ ወይ ፍልስፍና ኣይኮነን፡ እንታይ’ድኣ ባህርይ እዩ። ኣጽናቲ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ገበነኛ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ዓማጺ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ሽሓጥን መንደልሓቒን ባህርይ እዩ፣ ደው-በለለይ ክብለጸልካ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ሓሳድ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ብድሕረይ ሳዕሪ ኣይትብቆላ ባህርይ እዩ፣ ዘነኣእስን ዘንቛሽሽን ባህርይ እዩ። ህግደፍ ብስርቂ ዝገበለ፡ ብሽፍትነት ዝልለ፣ ብብልሽውና ዝተበለለ፣ ብድሕረት ዝኣጎለ፣ ብቐይዲ-ሕጊ ዘይእለ፣ ሕልንኡ ዝቐተለ ውዱቕ ስርዓት’ዩ።

    ብዘይ ሕግን ርትዕን ዝቐፈዶምን ዝቐተሎምን፡ ኣስከሬን ጀጋኑና ረጊጹ እንከሎ፡ ገሊኦም ሓንጎሎም ለሚሱ፡ የዒንቶም ፈሲሱ ክነሱ፡ ኣብ ኣፍ ሞት ክሰሓጉ፡ በዓል እንታይ ግዶም ድማ፡ ደም ናይዞም ንጹሃት ኣሕዋትን ኣሓትን ሰጊሮም፡ ህላዌ ጀጋኑ ብደዉ ቐቢሮም፡ ምስ ህግደፍ ንረዳዳእ ንቀራረብ፡ ክብሉ ይስምዑ’ሉዉ። የስምረልኩም እምበሪ፡ እዚኣ መምለሲ ዘይብላ ሓደገኛ መንገዲ ምኽዋና ካብ ምሕባር ሓሊፍና እንብሎ የሎን።

    እንተ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ግን፡ እቲ ዝኽፈል ከፊልዎ ስለዝኾነ፡ ካብ ዝወረዶ ዕንወንት ንላዕሊ ዝጻወር ሸውሃት ስለዘብሉ፡ ንኹሉ መስመሩ ከትሕዞ ምኽዋኑ ፍሉጥ’ዩ። ወይልኻ በዓል ሰንኮፍ ልቢ!!

    • Mussie Gebreab

      Dr. Haile, you served EPLF/PFDJ all your adult life until recently that you took your retirement from the USA and settled in your Villa in Asmara and you demanded the Ministry of Health in Eritrea to become Director overnight, to your disappointment it didn’t happen. then you start to rebel like little teenage girl do rebel against her parent,when her parent did not provide her what every her teenage hormone demand her. you left Asmara and your villa and came running to America like teenage girl run away from Home and start bad mouthing the GOE to the point you blame it for not raining and raining to much in Eritrea. now you are missing so much your villa and friends in Asmara and became border line to be declared the crazy Doctor from America. Dotere I really feel sorry for you! you are loosing in the very of readers eye.

      • Rodab

        ዝበለጸት ዳእላ ናይዛ ዕለት።

        • haile

          Hey Rodab,

          Mussie is very interesting in a sense that if he believes something, there is no easy way of getting him off of it. But let me try for the sake of setting the record straight for the unsuspecting visitors here:

          Mussie, please scroll down and find me commenting here:

          http://awate.com/on-semere-tesfais-disagreeable-thoughts/

          That was back in Feb. 2012. Dr Haile Mezgebe of Orota Med school didn’t leave Eritrea till about that time (I think he was given his marching orders around December 2011 or Jan. 2012). At about the same time Dr Haile The Great (a humble African witch doctor) was here discussing something that I had misgivings about in the way the awassa conference of Bayto. So, doesn’t that make you look off the mark to suggest that Dr Haile Mezgebe started commenting regularly here in 2010/2011 while he was in Eritrea and putting together the courses for the new med school? tsk tsk…hisebelu dea ember doctorey si thishwo 🙂

          • Mussie Gebreab

            Dactory, so you are telling the awate team no body from Eritrea is writing or reading your web site. Now Haile the GREAT you are really in trouble. by the way the reference you gave us as albeit says February 22, 2012 not 2010.

          • haile

            haha..anta negram ketesgugeni dma delika…I am still a witch doctor, I’ll put a spell on you 🙂

          • Mussie Gebreab

            Doctory, you really make me loafing so hard.
            Good night!!

          • haile

            Trust me, I never try to get ahead of verifiable facts Mussie. 2010/2011 is the time I started commenting. The link is meanwhile is meant to coincide with the time Dr Haile Mezgebe (Hakim nay ferengi) was being booted out of Eritrea and Dr Haile The great (Hakim nay godobo) was arguing with Awatistas here about something I had to think hard to remember 🙂 BTW on Feb.22,2010 there was the Twin cities protest against a then 2 month old sanction 1907 and the slogan “Nhna Nsu” was coined!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Haile TG:
            Why do not put Mussie out of his misery and authorize him to write your biography titled: Haile intawai iyu::-)

            Semere

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Semere A.,

            No, What Haile the Great should do is to dismiss him. In fact by arguing with him he is giving him a horse to ride which he doesn’t deserve. Hailat, Please know with whom you are debating. engage only with those who are civil and humble Eritreans.

          • Mussie Gebreab

            Amanuel Hidrat, it is shame to be the son of the Great Memhir Hidrat( Aboy memhir Hidrat niaka kweldus zeyedom rekibom).

          • Rodab

            What the heck are you two talking about? I’m totally lost. Looks like you two are regular wrestlers against one another…I didn’t notice that before.

      • Dawit

        Let me guess. You first knew all about Haile the great (Dr. Haile) after you had helped him file income-tax. Put differently, when he came to do his tax, you found out about him from his green card (Ketelya-card).

        • Mussie Gebreab

          Dawit, don’t start something that you don’t have the balls to go all the way.( Hadami). otherwise I will make you disapire like I did to Tamrat Tamrat aka Goitom Gebreluel from Norway (wedi Adawa).

          • Dawit

            I did not know you also filed tax for “Tamrat Tamrat aka Goitom Gebreluel”‘ nor did I know he had a green card. I am going to have to “aks” about you in Atlanta before many other unsuspecting Eritrean victims come to you and do their taxes. You might be a hired part time “kutisha” of PFDJ. I don’t want you to hand many innocent Eritreans in Atlanta to PFDJ. Apparently, “Halengi sewra” appears to have reached as far as Atlanta.

            Are you a CPA? Which one are you on the picture (what seems to be a graduate ceremony)? You must be the one giving a certificate.

  • tes

    I see a pure political blow. The discussion and debate here will either shape the political programs of the whole journey, as Younis is making, though not complete, or make a big smash to phase out some old and failed strategy of struggle.

    Then the U-Turn has to take of these two influences. the offset between the lines of U { ! —- ! } should be far enough to be free from the coming thermal politcs.

    Anyway, [Younis Hossen] came with his paradoxical approach and less weaker in his second article and as a result, the speculation for his old service under the same regime is quite clear. And for this, he did not hesitate to cover PFDJ with empty beehive comb and paint it as an institution. PFDJ failed to establish an institution, since his escape from the valleys of Sahel in 1991.What PFDJ succeeded was in establishing the one-man centered command, the created [god]. I am no wonder to see the reversal of the religious doctrines, {God?}, better, {The Creator} created everything, but PFDJ created the [Creator]. creation paradox in the 21thC. EPLF created nothing, but PFDJ created the CREATOR.

    This logic could be more lenient in the fizzling out of the regime. Holiday in Tigrigna is translated as “Be’Al,” and if we try to see the origion of the word Be’Al, it is an ancient famous Egptian god, called Baál,

    As wikipedia put it, Baal, also rendered Ba’al is a North-West Semitic title and honorific meaning “master” or “Lord that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Belu. and Baálist or baalite means a worshipper of Baal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal).

    And PFDJ is not different from this quotation, actually, the semetic people are good in creating the CREATOR. And so is in PFDJ and other opposition groups.

    But me, I believe that now the PFDJ is divided and will only be like the word ba’al, used to express a public day. pfdj does not exist, just his imaje is now left.

    What we need is to get rid of the word pfdj and replace dicard him from all roots, if not, still it will remain in the Eritrean houses and be remembered as a word like what the ancient Lord, Ba’al is in our words and practices.

  • Sabita

    Banned again? Why?

    • Ermias

      Saba, I now have to believe that you must be a lot naughtier than meets the eye. I may have to resort to nickname you Sh***u once again.

      • Saba101

        why? Ata gerhi libu

    • Ermias

      Ok you seem to know something I don’t know. Do you mind telling me in private?

  • haile

    Hi Awatistas, here is one for fun 🙂

    ብድሕሪ’ዛ ሎሚ ሓድሽ መቃለሲ ውድብ መስሪተ/ትና ዝብል ኤርትራዊ፡ ኣዲኡ ጸላም ከልቢ ትውለድ’ዶ? If you don’t know tigrigna, no worries, it is about a traditional Eritrean legal opinion ( similar to a fatwa) 🙂

    • Dawit

      Haile,

      ” ኣዲኡ ጸላም ከልቢ ትውለድ’ዶ? is new to me (ቦኽሪ አዝነይ); but does not necessarily mean that I don’t know tigrinya. Have you coined this ቢሂል ? or got it from the state of tigray 🙂

      • haile

        Dawit- teqawamay 🙂

        እታ ቐንዲ ብሂል ቀዳሞት እኳ “ጸላም ኩርኩር” እያ ትብል ነይራ። ምስ ግዝየ ክኸይድ ስለ ዝደለኹ ጥራይ እዩ ናብ “ከልቢ” ዓብያ ዘላ ፡-) ምስኡ’ድማ “ኩርኩር” ፖለቲካዊ ትሕጃ ዘለዋ ቃል እያ ሎም’ዘመን! እዚ ሓዲሽ ናይ ዘመናዊ ትልሂት መጺኡ ዘሎ: እተጸገነ ህግደፍ ዝብል እንተሳዕሪሩ’ውን ዳግማይ ምድህላልን ዝተናውሔ ቃልሲን ስለ ዝህልው፡ “ኣዲኡ ጸሊም ቁስጣንጌ (ኣረጊት ከልቢ) ትውለድ ምባል ከምዝመጽእ’ውን ዘይምዝንጋዕ ፡-)

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam Younis H. and all,
    Now that we ascertained Ali Salim is a fellow Eritrean-Canadian, I feel special affinity. Btsay Semere Andom,, please be compassionate to a fellow Canuck:) after all, we are polite, hailing from the ‘just society’:)
    After the ‘gudam Adi Gebray’ (one of the scathing satire I have read cyber space) entrance which exacerbated, if not ushered an internet feud whose tremor was felt in houses of EDA and ENCDC, the writer previously known as Ali Salim has all, it seems abandoned, his craze for Bashir Isaq and Hussein Khelifa settled for ‘U-turns’. If the past is any guidepost, we will witness a flurry of articles on our way back on account of the U-turn. The guy as infuriating and meandering he may pose to be, knows his craft. So, starts our spring of 2014!
    I don’t subscribe to gratuitous psycho-analysis of sorts of why people change their minds. Nor do I think, this is guy is being a coward or simply couldn’t hold out in the protracted war against tyranny of Issais Afewerki. If any, I give him a credit for being vulnerable and for being honest to change. Reading his responses, I felt uncanny feeling of good, kind Eritrean who is trying to figure things out…like most of us. At the risk of repeating the known truths, this country of us deserve honest discourse and no one has the monopoly of good ideas. If Younis H. can spot for us the good in ‘PFDJ’, there is no reason for rejecting them. After all, the people in ‘PFDJ’ are our uncles and aunties and more importantly our own fellow citizens, we mean them no harm; they mean us harm. The history that brought them to the current state of power is our pride; and the worst crime Issais succeeded is in making us ‘hate’ our history. The person that is creating havoc, and sustaining it, is Issais Afewerki.
    So, there you got it. Issais Afewerki. I suspect Younis H., if he reading this knows, where I am going with this.
    He wrote two length articles, settled with the amorphous ‘PFDJ’ while failing to conjure up the pervading figure of Issais Afewerki, if any, obliquely.
    My question is simple, if there are any simple questions that is. I hope to see Haw Younis to tell us is this evasion deliberate? or what do you think of Issais Afewerki in this nexus of ‘good intentions’ of ‘PFDJ’?
    All the best,
    Ghezae Hagos

    • Semhar

      Good insight Mr Attorney.”Yal teretere, temenetre” is a classic Amahric way of saying:’Lol,watch out”.
      Let me give you an astonishing example of my own family member.
      The late Gen Wuchu came into my cousin’s house in Asmara with his Land Cruiser late night and advised my cousin to get into the car and advised him that he should be going to Sweaden to pursue his study and he was given a non-stop ride to the Sudan and got to Stockholm in 2 weeks.Did you get me?
      He was advised to act like the worst enemy of HGDEF—-but-at the same time—

  • AMAN

    In reply to amanuel Hidrat
    ====================
    What kind of PFDJ ?
    What kind of Opposition ? for Eritrea ?
    And what values are attributable and not attributable to PFDJ ? opposition ?
    as Eritrrean government ?
    I
    What was/is needed is not Abolition or reformation of EPLF
    but EXPANSION of EPLF as it enters new phase in 1991-94 !!
    The kind of PFDJ that is built on the foundation of EPLF or Eritrean revolution
    and whose primary agenda is to reconcille with Eritrean Oppositions like ELF
    before jumping to reach out across the boarder for other people who already
    have stable government is allright with me.
    The PFDJ that is built on the foundations of Eritrean struggle and EPLF should
    do its domestic national affairs first and put its house in order by engaging to
    solve past problems in a positive manner with all those forces who fought for
    the nation.
    Once that is done and a new all inclusive national government is formed, it lays
    the agendas of engaing Ethiopia and the Ethiopian people for solutions of lasting
    peace in an open and trasparent national agenda.
    While that process is taking place the people should be free to conduct its economic
    and social affairs uninterrupted and unhindered and enjoy its liberities and freedoms
    of speech while the representative government of democratic Eritrea does its work.
    (n other words not a reformed but an expanded EPLF called PFDJ will do the trick
    by including new or old ideas formerly not included in the 1970-91 EPLF……….)

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    • Ermias

      Thank you! Long live awate.com!!!

      • Saba101

        Don’t be quick to thank them. I had a burning comment and it is banned:)

  • Saba

    Hi Ermias, i do not think you will survive for 1 one day without your
    awate.com:) so do not ask them to ban you with me. I will try to come here very often but the guys sound very machista.
    Using internet is a skill but as an opposition group if your organization is solely based in the net with out a real grass root organization, you will go nowhere. Yes Awate team is for opposition but Awate team was focused mainly on religion based politics and have tried to shape the “cyber opposition” groups but as you can see the EDA is just a name. Now AT is U turning with Ali salim, please U turn one by one though, keytigachewu:) But Awate team is still trying to set the criteria for who is opposition and who is not. Here is one old Awate team rhetoric: meskerem.net is PFDJ website.
    Keep doing the 90 degree turn because just being anti-PFDJ is not enough. You need to look after the “bad opposition” too.
    So what is your opinion about wedi vacaro?

  • Capo

    If it’s true that the guy who committed treason in January 2013 and then ended up getting shot, if it is true that his family has immigrated to Australia from Ethiopia, it smells kinda fishy to me. Who put him up to it in the first place? Was he paid to do what he did? Was he told his family would be taken care of? Was he bought? This raises a lot more questions.

  • Serray

    Selamat everyone,

    First, I am glad ali salim came to his senses and is no more blaming us for his people’s misery. As smart as he is, he should have blamed his fellow ghedli romantics, the shaebia kind, from the get go… I guess it is human nature to scapegoat. Having said that, I hope the refugees issue and the reckless redistribution of land he raised remain prominent in our conscience so we can reverse it in free eritrea.

    Wow! I am not kidding when I said in these pages of awate are the blueprints of our future. Forget the internal discussion we are having among each other, there is more meaningful person-to-person interaction with the Ethiopians here than there ever was between the pfdj and them; specially after isaias invaded them when he realized what “term limits” means in the constitution he uses as a doorstop. Back to the issue at hand.

    Sal’s idea of isaiasism is spreading among ex-tegadelti and disillusioned former regime supporters and employees (Kibrom Dafla). Isaias’s last two interviews, the worsening misery back home, his maddening response to lampodusa are all contributing to cast him as an out of touch head of state. Unfortunately, it is also dragging along with it an unhealthy contempt for the opposition. Semere tesfai did it and now ali salim is doing it. The opposition parties are convenient punchbags and deservedly so but the idea of an opposition shouldn’t be. Semere and ali are attacking the idea unwittingly. When you strip the opposition of all good and give the pfdj the benefit of “good intentions” like ali salim or credit it with “defending the country”, like semere, the end result is compromising not the opposition parties as such but the idea of opposing the regime. The way to fix that, if you are really angry at the opposition, is to qualify it every time by giving credit to the human-rights groups that are doing amazing job thus maintain the idea of opposition healthy.

    Back to isaiasism. Nobody doubts the graceful simplicity of the idea, but to differentiate it, truly and honestly differentiate it, one has to show a means of achieving it. If it is better, then it can’t be left suspended in mid air like the “pfdj has to go” slogan of the ethiopia based opposition. Soon or later, the inevitable stagnation will set in with this idea as the saber rattling “pfdj has to go” one before it. In other words, if the solution of isaiasism is waiting for him to die, then it is exactly the same as the idea “pfdj has to go” our brethren’s pray to in addis since they hitched a tank ride in the middle of a war. After all, one of the reasons we carry money in our pockets and drive a car is because we can’t drive money and carry a car in our pocket.

    But I tell you, I am feeling much better after reading that isaias was supposed to be at MoI on the day wedi ali paid a visit. For me, even if I disagree with the premise of isaiasism, its “one on one” nature pleases me. Finally, isaiasism without a demand for implementing the constitution is as dangerous as “pfdj has to go” because the vacuum it leaves behind is a fertile ground for the corrupt, blood thirsty and human trafficking minions to exploit.

    • saay7

      Hi, Serray the Magnificent:

      Granted, Isaiasism has to be flushed out (probably in an article form, and graphics) But here is how I see it:

      Assume four overlapping circles: one for Isaias, one for EPLF/PFDJ, one for the Eritrean people, and one for the opposition.

      Now throw in all of the following statements and rank them using a standard polling response: strongly agree, agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, disagree, strongly disagree:

      1. Eritrea was victimized by the UN and the US
      2. Eritrean sovereignty demands that only Eritreans have a say about its policies
      3. Eritrean sovereignty will always require a military that is disproportionately large
      4. Regardless of the magnitude of disputes between social groups, seceding from Eritrea is not an option
      5. Regardless of the magnitude of the abuse inflicted by a government, the people should not use a foreign power to gain leverage
      6. All Eritrean land should be owned by the State
      7. Eritrea should use a mixed economic system
      8. Social justice requires equitable distribution of power and resources
      9. All efforts must be made to minimize income gap between rich and poor
      10. The government has a duty to provide social services including:
      a. free education b. free healthcare c. subsidized housing d. retirement income
      11. The government can detain people without charges indefinitely
      12. The government can deny families of those arrested visitation rights
      13. The government is not required to disclose its budget
      14. The type of government Eritrea needs is one that has a strong executive and a weak legislature
      15. Right to worship should be restricted to four religion/denominations: Islam, Tewahdo, Catholic, Lutheran.
      16. Food security should be prioritized over political pluralism
      17. Political parties should not be organized on the basis of ethnicity, region or religion
      etc, etc, etc.
      18. Military power is an extension of foreign policy and we should not be hesitant in using it, including to volunteer for foreign wars as peacekeepers
      19. The government must have strict rules about what kind of media should be allowed to operate inside Eritrea.
      20. Corruption of any kind should not be tolerated.
      etc, etc, etc.

      Now,

      Keeping in mind where the four circles overlap, how often does Isaias’s circle overlap with the EPLF/PFDJ? How often does it overlap with the people? How often does the opposition’s circle overlap with the people?

      Dammit, I wrote the article:)

      saay

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi SAAY,
        That is not fare. You should also add:
        -How many years do you like to slave for the Government? I will let you refrase that
        -How long do you want to wait without getting married till your national service is over?
        Just to respect the equality of gender man or woman are considered the same when they answer this question .
        -Do you agree to give land to those who live abroad and pay in dollars while you are happy with 500Nfa?
        etc…
        I do not want to bore you. I am stopping here. By adding only these few questions see how much the overlap will move to which circle.

        • saay7

          Selamat Hailat:

          I agree, the questions were not meant to be comprehensive, and that’s why I did the etc. I would word your survey questions differently (so they are not loaded). Additional survey questions:

          It is acceptable for government to have an indefinite conscription of youth
          It is acceptable for a government to demand that old people carrying guns in neighborhood watches
          It is acceptable for a government’s compulsory education to include bussing students to a remote area against the will of their parents
          It is acceptable for a government to deny entry visa to citizens with whom it has political differences
          It is acceptable for a government to spy on the citizens indiscriminately
          It is acceptable for a government to disappear citizens
          It is acceptable for a government to round up youth
          It is acceptable for a government to host armed foreign nationals

          Etc.

          These are all statements that you would get a “strongly disagree” from the people and “disagree” from the PFDJ and “strongly agree” from Isaiaists.

          The point of the exercise is for message refinement and realigning people.

          saay

      • Serray

        Selamat Sal,

        Not much overlapping, is there? The other thing I failed to expand is the wedge isaiasim creates between those who think they own the struggle (pfdj/shaebia) and the one who actually does for all intents and purposes. Isaiasism as a tactic is suited for the insiders because the outsiders are already there. Many things did but lampedusa created a chasm between him and the nsu nihna crowd. He came out looking cold and unfeeling compared to the italian government. Ethioipa’s economic growth, meles’s death and subsequent transition all work to create unpleasant contrast. With right packaging and loosely formed alliance even within a divided opposition, isaias could be made to look even more out of touch. Bringing the fight to him and him alone might rattled him enough to do even more silly things than giving interviews after a couple of drinks.

        If only we can keep the other noises at low volume.

        • saay7

          Hi Serray:

          Speaking of Lampedusa*, to the long list of issues I would use as a wedge issue to separate Isaiaism from the people and from PFDJ:

          23. It is perfectly normal for a government not to express profound sadness at the loss of hundreds of young Eritrean souls
          24. It is perfectly acceptable for a head of state to tell the parents of these victims that their sons and daughters were thieves

          You are not going to get a “strongly agree” from anybody (not even the top echelons of the PFDJ that are often demonized here) except from the most demented Isaiasists on this particular issue.

          Overlap between the opposition and the Eritrean people? Well, you may have heard me recently having a mini-war with ELF-RC/EPDP. (If you haven’t read it, don’t; if somebody wrote it, I wouldn’t read it: it is an angry rant.) The reason for my rant is that on the issues that matter to the Eritrean people, ELF-RC was ALWAYS RIGHT. This is not speculation or hearsay: there is a video floating around (I wished I had saved it) of the late Seyoum O/Michael “Harestay” addressing ELF-RC festival at Kassel in 1994, I think. Here’s the thing: he was right about EVERYTHING. It is not a case of somebody looking at the rear view mirror and analyzing history, but somebody looking at the windshield and forecasting what will come of PFDJ policies. Unfortunately, the ELF-RC’s rightness on the issues never ever gets translated into political currency. Why? For reasons I stated in my rant. I never have any expectations from the other 35 political organizations, and so I am never disappointed, but I always do and am from ELF-RC/EPP/EPDP and it always disappoints.

          Haile and Eyob: your mission, if you accept it, is to find this video and post it here. (Notice I am not asking ELF-RC/EPP/EPDP because they probably don’t have it.)

          saay

          *Ali Salim, my friend, the outrage here is not, as you claim, that the opposition tried to “exploit” this tragedy and politicize it; the outrage is that the head of state, who was busy sending letters of condolences to Pakistani, and Kenyan and Libyan parents for the tragic loss of life of their children did NOT think Eritrean parents deserve an empathetic voice. Worse, that he would insult their children as common thieves.

        • ghezaehagos

          Selam Serray,
          Nice to read you as ever!
          The focus on Issais is the best way to go. In the muddled, convoluted messages we send across, we need clearer message. Our ship has been burdened with cargos of the necessary cargo, the not-necessary-now- cargos, the we-will-decide-their-worth-after-we-get-to-our-destination cargos, the plainly-what-is-this-thing-doing-here-at-this-stormy-night-cargos. It is time to jettison clutters; and travel light, bro. Everything that afflicts us (the worst of our Ghedil avoidable crimes) and the today’s unimaginable horror, has one and only one thing in common: Isaias Afewerki. So, yes, we need to ‘keep the other noises at low volume’ and turn his…most ardent supporters of ‘PFDJ’ have stopped listening to him; their worry is Eritrea. So is ours. Biggest one.
          There is a reason the smarter ones called ‘the Gaddafi regime’, ‘the Mubarek regime’, ‘the Saddam regime’…Hence let us stop calling ours PFDJ…it is merely Isaias, as even by comparison, the other despots would be in awe of the ‘oeuvre’ of Isaias Afewerki…’How do you do it? We can’t even dream to go that far..” they would say to him in their breakfast at Hell’s Tiffany’s in near future.
          Hawka,
          Ghezae Hagos

          • Saleh Johar

            Ghezae,
            When I read this: “..Convoluted messages that we send…” I was confused as to who is “we” in your opening sentences. Later on I think I found the answer and I was dumbfounded reading this: “most ardent supporters of ‘PFDJ’ have stopped listening to him; their worry is Eritrea. So is ours. Biggest one.”

            Are you sure of that Ghezae? Then, why is he still in power if most of his supporters are not listening to him?

            Ghezae, I am not sure of your sample, but Isaias’ support system is intact, it has weakened but not to the extent that I and people like me would equate the concern for Eritrea from both parties at the same pedestal. I believe the concern of the PFDJ supporters can be divided into two: 1) help keep PFDJ, Isaias included, to rule Eritrea forever, even if they establish a dynasty, and 2) at one time Isaias will go naturally or otherwise, let’s keep the PFDJ machine intact so that we can inherit it with all its tentacles and power infrastructure.

            Of course, civil servants and the military and adey tabetu (who holds a PFDJ membership card to get a kilo of sugar) are not PFDJ not enemies of the people, but victims. The system is PFDJ, not all the people in it, but most on the top hierarchy. To break the system, the pillars of the PFDJ system has to be broken and its drivers stripped of their usurped power and brought to justice.

            Sorry Ghezae, I will not stop calling PFDJ as PFDJ because that is what it is. It is a cruel oppressive machine and it has to be characterized as such. True, it is the Isaias regime, it has always been that. But the Isaias regime is called PFDJ. A regime is a system, not the man who runs it. If a train is runaway and its operator is crazy, you have to stop both the train and the operator. You cannot neutralize the operator by sending a sniper and hope to save the people from the danger the runaway train poses. You have to stop both the operator and the train.

            I believe the system, regime or Isaias, however you want to describe it, should not be confused for something else; it remains PFDJ. Calling it by its real name helps us avoid confusion. Remember, it is called PFDJ

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            Nicely done with the runaway train metaphor.

            I equate Eritrea as a ship with Isaias as its captain; and you equate Eritrea as a runaway train, with Isaias as the operator/engineer. In my scenario, taking out the captain goes a long way to solving the problem; in your scenario, that doesn’t solve the problem, in fact, it makes it even worse.

            Now, here is the challenge:

            in my scenario, the risk is that when the captain is gone, who will replace him is his protege, somebody who went to the same school of bad navigation. It is replacing Hosni Mubarek with Abdelfatah Sisi. And since Sisi knows what happened to Mubarek, he will clamp down hard and make it even more difficult to bring change. That’s the risk.

            In your scenario, the risk is that the resources (energy, skilled manpower) required to stop a runaway train are rare. And the danger is that people will say, as they have been saying, let the train runout of its power supply, in the meantime, we will just lay down more rail lines (requires less skilled manpower) so it does not crush to oblivion. In fact, to mix our metaphors and use a different transportation device–a car–that is the Nitricc position: let it run its course, stay on the highway. The risk is it empowers Nkhid Tray.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Good synthesis. Talking about the ship representing Eritrea, I fully agree. But the train is lethal and I don’t want to risk it running over people indefinitely while the unskilled manpower lays more rails for it. My problem is with people who see a dual device in one. They see something that is a ship and at the same time a train. The ship should not be equated with the train. Saving the train doesn’t save the ship; saving the ship should not extend to saving the train. I am very pragmatic when it comes to saving the ship. I am non-compromising when it come to the excuse of saving the train with the pretext of saving the ship. They are different, in fact the unskilled are trying to lay rails on the ocean and the ships course so that their train can hit the ship head on.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh (SGJ)’

            I like your argument. Not only because I support your view, but it is a fact – it is an organizational culture. We can’t separate Issayas and the PFDJ as a regime and institutional system. I also like your metaphor “the train and the conductor” which fits to the current government . Yes we have to stop both the train and the conductor to save our people and our nation.

            What still puzzles me is, the well read of our own awatistas, like Ghezae, Saay, Younis…..etc to define the system as “the system of one man”. PFDJ is an intact system spread into psychic of Eritrean people. It is really mind boggling to underestimate the strength of the organization. Actually in my view the convoluted message is defining the system as one man system. Keep in mind this is a new theory in the the Eritrean political phenomenon. This strategical approach came with the advent of Medrekawian recently along with the U-turns arguments. If this argument took roots in to our political discourse, I tell you my friend, that our nation will continue to be ruled with same same Superstructural and infra-structural government for decades to come.

            Sal, let me give you an example of the Ethio-Eritrean border war. It was justifiable at the beginning for the whole year of 1998 by the government and the majority of Eritrean people, until it becomes senseless in 1999 when we are pushed out from Badme. It was a justifiably orchestrated war in the beginning and it was an orchestrated senseless war at the end. Look the paradox of their argument then. If it was senseless at the end, shouldn’t it be senseless at the beginning? Now we are going to the same trap. They are telling us the problem is not the PFDJ-system but the single man “issayas”. When it is set and done we will find it in the same trap. How many time we will say we told you so. We told them the border-war will be a senseless war from the beginning and they found it later to be a senseless war. We are telling them PFDJ is system that should be dismantled ( not the party as a party) and they will find it to be, after they approved the driving seat them without any change of their political culture. I see history in its way of repeating as it is common in Eritrean politics.

          • Saleh Johar

            Just a point: I don’t think Saay absolves PFDJ, I think his view are based on strategic outlook and how to end oppression. I believe he sees getting rid of Isaias as step one. All the rest should not cloud and confuse our efforts to take him out. Let’s focus on him. He believes PFDJ is nothing without Isaias. It is as good as gone. He doesn’t absolve the PFDJ. And there is a big differences there. It is not a difference in principle, but on how to go about it.

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam SAAY, Saleh Gadi, Aman Hidrat,

            Possibly, this deserves an article on its own. I assure you, Aman, before the advent of Medrek, some of us chosen to refer to the regime in Eritrea as the Issais regime in the social media and paltalks. My inspiration is simply how the other dissidents refer to theirs and knowing there is no actual system in Eritrea but Isaias Afewerki. I will come back to it later.

            Anyways, please allow me to repost this note I posted at my fb page on Feb. 07, 2014.

            ” What are our priorities? is indeed a fundamental question. If we can think long and hard about this with a view to the realities in the ground, I think we could have fertile ground for agreement. People are concerned if we focus in the list of priorities, we forget the rest. By no means. It is just about allocation of resources and focus. Otherwise, when we say… Isaias is our first priority, we mean he is at the center of every evil bedevilling our nation. Take him away first. Then? We will work and struggle more than ever. We will not rest until we get to see the peaceful and democratic and reconciled Eritrea. And then? We will not rest then. More work and vigilance is needed to keep from sliding back to another era of tyranny and oppression. In short: as citizens we should not rest until we die. That was the bitter, costly mistake we committed at the dawn of our independence. BUT first things first. We need to keep our focus on the originator, perpetrator of every evil in Eritrea: Isaias Afewerki…”

            Now, I would humbly urge you to note nomenclature matters. Let us see PFDJ. In terms of organizational structure of the ruling party, PFDJ is not what we claim it to be. When was the last time PFDJ made its congress? brought new faces? if one of its core departments, the organizational affairs Abdela Jabir was arrested, not one yet took his position. It’s chairman, Alamin is ailing or incapacitated for decade or more. Any breathing organization is expected to adapt and change. For 20 more years, (April 1994-2014) there is absolutely no change in this decrepit one.

            But Isaias is more than PFDJ. He is the military supremo. He is the intelligence top chief. He is the economy czar. He is everything beyond and above PFDJ.

            Again, I would like to refer to my venerable friends what influenced me and possibly others (apart from many other reasons) in switching the name from PFDJ to Issais regime. As tyranny doesn’t begin and end with ours; let us see how other dissidents call the regime that persecuted them.
            The ingenuity doesn’t take away but is smarter, easier to understand, and can be understood by both our people and international community and media which we need to be on our side. Please check these ruling party name’s which are equivalent to Popular Front for Democracy and Justice (PFDJ) and notice neither the opposition nor the international community knows them with the party names (which as Sal once noted they are neither of the words they put as Holy Roman Empire, a’ la Voltaire.)

            Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya= that is clear

            Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party of Syria= you know this one

            Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party of Iraq= and this one

            National Democratic Party= I won’t tell this one for now.

            All I am saying is if others who have less evil regime than ours is not callig them
            with the tyrant’s name, isn’t time to learn from them and smartly target ours
            by calling it Issais regime?

            Hawkum,

            Ghezae hagos

  • Ermias

    Tafla, I bet I can beat you writing any length of text using my slashes and you using your exotic apostrophes and twisties (assuming that we are both touch typists). In my slashes, you really have nothing to memorize except that the slash would represent ሐ in the case of h/ etc.

    • tafla

      Ermias, I use hammer and nail. You win 🙂

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi Semer Andom
    Your Following statement is to the point. I cannot agree more.
    “By the way the opposition is not only the organized groups and the endlessly hatched derivatives,but all the Eritrean people, so blaming the opposition for the crimes and the failure of our nation is blaming our people as all Eritreans, save a few thousands and collaborators and enforcers, every Eritrean is opposed to the government.”

  • Nitricc

    Hey Ali
    You said PFDJ can be part of the solution while being the whole of the problem.
    I am not sure if PFDJ is responsible for every problem but I know PFDJ is every solution to every problem. So, know you are out declaring what you believe and what you think what is right. You have to be strong to stand your ground. Changing a course is a sign of weakness to weak people. There are many people who are weak and worst conformists on this forum; your idea and stand will be headache to them.” them”
    You will be tested, you will be degraded and you will be scrutinized. Stand with what you believe no matter what. The word is persistence….remember
    “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent”
    I feel better knowing Eritrea have people like you who are not afraid to speak up who are not afraid to take less traveled path and uncharted territory.
    Good luck Brother.
    And as of me, let me go and do Waniney as Elsa would say
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atiHj1u6doE
    SAAY Be back 🙂
    .

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Nitricc:
      I what did I tell you to call Sal? Aytzentlo nezi wedi:-)
      Semere A

    • saay7

      Nitricc:

      Here’s a special present for you. I will be very disappointed if you do not take full credit for this:

      http://asmarino.com/articles/2045-r-is-for-reform-and-r-is-for-reality-too

      saay

    • ALI-S

      Thanks Nitricc,

      I understand it is an uphill battle – more so than the “land-grabber” one. But always stick to the “good intention” axiom and find an explanation for the allegations that people make. They sure have a good-intentioned reason as bad intention is nothing that any of us should assume about any Eritrean. We do not have bad people because if they are they do not belong to Eritrea.

      Don’t listen to all the posturing: deep down they all know we are simply stating the obvious. Deep down they know we are heading the wrong way betting on the charity of others to do our job. It is only a matter of rationalizing it for them and finding some face-saving U-Turn for the madness that we have all found ourselves in because as Eritreans we would pay so heavily just to avoid embarrassing others. We are a decent people don’t forget and a unique one at that (:-)

  • haile

    Selam Ermias, (I was responding to the now removed thread 😉

    It really depends on whose behalf one is opposing PFDJ. If it is on behalf of the victims of the regime, those being arrested, killed, tortured, dehumanized, isolated and forced to hard labor, then perhaps you would need to revise your considerations in order to include what it would mean for them. Again, if the struggle is for one’s own esteem, advantage and privileges, it is understandable to try to strategize based on chances of success. Because, the latter is really nothing more than a simple business transaction. How much should to invest, how much risk to tolerate, what returns to expect, otherwise what it means is that there was no cause, no principle, no conviction. Many people made such calculations in the last years of dergue, they even went as far as accepting ras g’ez (autonomy) to divide up the country. many such history of backing out can be recalled going even further back in history. In my view, it is a matter of your expectation, i.e. what you are prepared to settle for rather than what is out there. It all depends if one is committed to a cause or has simply been loitering to better deals. I understand your courage to bring this issues up (at this unique time in our history) and hope that you don’t mind my two cents worth.

    • Saleh Johar

      Haile, what is removed? Please let the moderator know because he might not be aware of what you are saying.

      • haile

        hey Sal, I meant Ermias had deactivated the comment I was responding to (I assume to edit it) that is what I said “removed” for. Nothing to do with the good moderator. eway hawey accuse enageberu’do senkof geyromKa 🙂

    • Ermias

      Selmat Hailat, no I do not mind your input at all, in fact I had you and the other great minds in mind when I posed those questions (which are removed now for a reason I can’t understand, first time from the AT for me). I am not in any way discounting the misery our people are going through and neither I am putting any faith in PFDJ (I would never bet ewrti taarifa on that). My hope is to figure a way to start alleviating the misery of our people and if that takes to get PFDJ weakened from within, I can caustiosly look into that. See Hailat, change can only come from within, Wedi Ali style, like I said before. But given all the attorcious things, one would expect that change should have long materialized but it seems still a ways off. The main thing I am trying to get at is what should we do in the mean time to give our people any relief from a century of miseries? My grandfather died in Ethiopia fighting along the Italians, my father was fedain in Asmara but passed away before independence (of natural causes), my brother died in medda. A lot of people can testify much worse situations. This needs to end.

  • Haile Zeru

    Younis H.
    You said
    “Under no condition may we, however, assume away the objective existence of the good society of well-intentioned rational men because this natural law is inherent in all forms of relationships regulating interest-driven interactions among men. “

    “well-intentioned rational men”???: You mean like Issayas, Polpot, Hitler. Should we identify the horrible nature of this people or should we not assume away that they are “well-intentioned rational men”. Or we should investigate their intentions and find out if they mean well for us (who is us?). Is this a lullaby for a night sleep or political analysis.
    When Europeans were coming to the new world had “well-intentions”?.
    Then of course you have to ask yourself to Whom? And that is where your analysis breaks down. Did the slave traders had well intentions? Did they use their commercial gains to feed dress up their kids?

    “Where any form of sustained patterns of interpersonal relationship is observed, some variation of that natural constitution of men must be assumed.”

    Of course, the well intentioned natural constitution of men.

    “Where such a society of men is constituted through a long history of cooperation and competition in horrible wars and bloody negotiations, as is the case with the PFDJ, it is safe to assume that a more complex social contract regulated by some form of constitution balanced with many sticks and a few carrots does exist.”

    So is the constitution of the mafia, and other similar organizations. What good is that for the Eritrean people.

    “ It may not be a written and explicitly codified constitution, but a constitution nevertheless, and a much more sustainable one by virtue of its proximity to the natural order of rationality.”
    What is rationality in this context, in politics?

    HaQi Tezareb ab mengedi deQs. You are going thru these complicated staff to hide the 23 years of horror of well intentioned rational men with a constitution of some sort.

  • Capo

    Hayat Adem (if that’s your real name — it could be Weletetsadkan for all we know). Anyway, Eritreans are all about cooperation. How do you think Eritrean independence was won? How do you think Eritrea survives today in the face of all this undeserved hostility from the West and Weyane? I get the sense that you only want PIA overthrown because you want to see an improved relationship with Tigray. Well, that ain’t never gonna happen for many generations to come. Tigray has committed massively major sins against Eritrea. Think about what those sins are. I don’t need to spell them out for you. OK if you insist and play dumb I will. But I have a feeling I won’t need to because Weyane Tigray knows exactly what it has done vis-à-vis (oops! there is that word again) Eritrea.

    • Hayat Adem

      Tigray committed massive sins against Eritrea? Well, I only know few of them. Let me go from broad to specific, from recent to deep past:
      -they are next door, only an imaginary line away (not even demarcated). why can’t they pick another geography?
      -they speak our language, we have a shared culture. that is one hell of a crime.
      -We have a shared blood and they look like us. this is even worst.
      -they want peace, peace and trade with us. how dare they!
      -they are sheltering 100000 of our fleeing warsai, shame on them.
      -they even sacrificed blood and lives for us to be independent. what is worse pathetic than this.
      -we always tell them we don’t want you, we are not the same; but they keep on seeking us. if this is not a crime what is?
      -they even hosted wedi ali’s family and let them go to Ausi. Can you see how evil they are?

      • dine

        if tigray believe in Eritrea to be independent and peace why is that hard for them to accept the implementation of EEBC decision and demarcation of the border ? i think tigray is looking for plan B so do you when the things go wrong in ethiopia.

      • SM

        And if I may add:
        -They used to poison our rivers so that our people and our animals will die
        -They used to be the # 1 Derg agents–to kill our Youth
        -They deported more than 80K innocent Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin, in the worst inhumane way–besides robbing all their life long earned assets
        -They wished that all Eritreans above the age of 12 should be decimated
        -They wished us the worst through No war -No Peace tactic–hence pushing our Youth to flee
        -They are taking advantage of us in the name of Eritrean refugees and students with the help of the corrupted UNHCR–and acting as if they were Eritrean refugees–to make more money
        -They wished us to be like another Somalia
        -They wished us to kill each other in the name of religion,region,tribalism–
        -etc—

  • Ermias

    Selamat Awatistas, I have a few questions. The answers to most of the questions are on this website scattered but I am bringing them up to see if any good discussion can arise and bring us all closer together in our approach.

    1. Is it possible to completely weed out the PFDJ? A lot of economic and political pressure from Eritreans and the international community alike can go a long way but there is collateral damage there. Even so, is that enough to break PFDJ completely? It looks more likely that, it might bend them rather than break them. Ethiopian interference is probably the most likely way to completely weed out the PFDJ organization but even that would take repeated offensives as in salsay werrar. I am 100% against Ethiopian interference specially any wars with or against them. They are breeding like flies, pushing100 million now. I am just laying out the hypothetical scenarios here.

    2. Is the PFDJ reformable (post IA)? More importantly, are they willing to reform in good faith? They might implement or modify and implement the constitution. Let’s assume that PFDJ says Eritrea is henceforth a democratic state but insists on:

    a. Keeping the national service (Sawa) exactly the way it is.

    b. PFDJ’s control of businesses and the banks remains intact.

    c. 2% mehweyi tax continues

    d. Excludes certain individuals and groups from going into Eritrea or arrests them upon arrival, meaning that they flatly reject national reconciliation.

    e. Land is not reformed

    Given the possibility (or maybe even the likelihood) of all or most of the above, how should a ‘reformed’ PFDJ look like?

    3. By looking at the youth (and most people for that matter) coming to the West via the most arduous routes, it would seem fair for anyone to conclude that they are indeed economic migrants. Most of them do not raise any issues against the GoE and in fact I have heard many many of them saying ‘etom teqawemti zbahalu’ but I hardly ever hear any of them raising hell against the Eritrean regime. Does this imply that PFDJ is not as resented by most Eritreans as the situation on the ground would otherwise have us believe?

    4. If a thorough research concludes that ‘completely dismantling the PFDJ cannot be accomplished in a reasonable amount of time’ (as in decades), would fighting to compel it for reform be a better strategy? One would have to believe that a ‘reformed’ PFDJ will necessarily be better than the front the way it is now, even under the circumstances I listed in number 2.

    5. Is a piecemeal improvement in Eritreans lives better or should we fight all out and declare take it or leave it all?

    • Abinet

      ” Ethiopians breeding like flies” you sound like Nitricc . Who knows ? May be it is your nick. Please don’t take us to war for you or against you .find your own solution . In case you forgot we died in thousands and thousands to keep you with us . And now you entertain the idea of us die for you to weed out the gang you helped assemble. Very funny.how did it come to your mind? I know you don’t like the idea . How did you think about it in the first place ? And then you compare us with flies? Typical eritrean arrogance .Shame shame shame……………….

      • Eyob Medhane

        Abinet,

        What is very sad is Ermias’ kind of arrogance and extreme disdain for the Ethiopian people is very prevelant particularly, among very large number of the Kebessa. Their deep rooted hatred has completely blinded them the fact that they are systematically getting wiped out and pushed out of their oun country, while they talk about us “breeding like flies”….

        • Ermias

          Eyob, hold on brother. If you find any posts by me which show any disdain and arrogance against the Ethiopian people, please point it out and I will be ready to apologize and stand corrected. I have as much respect to Ethiopians as anybody. I lived there for a little over a year and went to high school in Addis (Bole), albeit very briefly and I speak and write Amharic very fluently. I know that means nothing but I am aware of the culture and customs of the great Ethiopian people overlaps beautifully with that of the great Eritrean people. I have nothing but respect for my fellow Ethiopians, all of them Tigrayans, Amharas, Welayita, Oromo, Agew, you name it. Who am I to disdain 92 million people for the mistakes of a few people in leadership? I will admit to you that I come hard on some Ethiopians on this forum occasionally when they make fun of the Eritrean situation at the expense of our poor brothers and sisters suffering at the hands of the junta regime. I have also pointed out one time here about the 70 K people who were sent to Eritrea but I do not have any resentment against the Ethiopian people, none whatsoever. I have said on this forum and I will repeat now for all to see: It has been proven over the last 15 years that Eritrea would benefit from a healthy bilateral relations with Ethiopia more than the other way around, at least for the short term. The war we had – its effect on Ethiopia was ኣባይን በ ጭልፋ but you know the effect it has had on Eritrea, no need to enumerate it here.

          I read your posts (Eyob) when you came back from Addis and that is where I got how really populous Ethiopia is now. You said 92 million and counting and you also said that mama Ethiopia is expectant. How is this idiom better than ‘breeding like flies’ – and that offends you Eyob? Come on, you are better than that. I can see Abinet raising hell but not you Eyob. The statement was aslo taken out of context: I said we need no war with or against Ethiopia but read how Abinet twisted it. I would encourage Ethiopia to support the opposition without writing their charter and mandate.

          FYI – The Ethiopian government is not very popular among Eritreans but the average Eritrean is not resentful of Ethiopians.

          Thanks to Eyob and Abinet, now I get my a** chewed by Nitricc.

        • Semere Andom

          Guad Eyob Medhane
          There may be a large number of us who have disdain against
          Ethiopia, but do you appreciate that you as people have something to do with
          it? Or are you still wallowing on that pride that got you here in the first
          place, and by “here’, I mean the wallowing state that many of your ilk seem to
          spiral into. You did not want Eritrea’s people and its people reciprocated with
          a resounding and unequal reaction to secede, be independent, and take your pick.
          This disdain was not inborn, it was created by your forbearers when they
          himulated, brutalized Eritreans. When are you going to apologize for that? I
          have never heard any apology from your people for the damage done to us and you
          want us to love you overnight. Shoulder some responsibility for change. Or do you
          want us fake amnesia and love our enemey and forget your treatment of our
          people and hold hands with you? What is it Eyob?

          The fact that thousand of young sought refuge despite the past and recent abuse does not show “deeply rooted hatred”
          Semere Andom

          • Eyob Medhane

            Semere,

            DO NOT call me ‘gwad’ in whatever context. I am not your friend. I do not want to be your friend, and if it were up to me, which it is not I want the whole world NOT to be your friend, as I believe your nazzi type ideology and facist propaganda is causing the Kebessa near to be wiped out. Therefore, their blood would be in your hands as much as it is on Isayas Afeworki. I imagine your hands drenched with the blood and you are chocking in it, therefore, I am not interested to have any type of conversation with you.

          • Semere Andom

            Ato Eyob:
            I used guad not as a friend, but to remind you that those who addressed each other as guad, your fathers and brothers or who knows maybe you were behind what you call Kebessa deeply rooted hate towards mama Habesha.
            Why are you angry? Did the truth hurt you? I will tell you one thing: the kebessa Eritreans their wiping was tried by you and DIA is not going to succeed in wiping them out. DIA may have learned his genocidal tricks from you too , and therefore he will follow the path of his mentors to oblivion.
            If you do not want to talk to me, do not insult my people by dividing them into kebessa or metahit and predicting their extinction, just like your neguse negestat did. Like your fathers before, you are in my home turf here in awate so live with it when I call your prophecy of fantasy. If you cannot handle what I say “mai brud ste”, if you do not know what this means ask metahit Eritreans, but sorry you will not find them because you wiped them out
            Semere

          • Eyob Medhane

            I speak only to human beings. I do not wish to engage with you, as I do not count you as one…

          • dine

            why you wary about kebessa , they are smart as much as metahit. they can take care of themselves.

          • Semere Andom

            Come on man, I am not trying to engage you either because no human being will predict the extinction of a group of people he/she say belongs to him, that is just wishful thinking, go savor the fantasy, it may be the only antidote to rejection the kebessa showed you. I am just saying your wishful prophecy is not going to be happen in this life time.
            Sem

          • dine

            as an ethiopian, on behalf of neguse negeste KH i apologize for ethiopia wiped most of the metahit out .

        • Semere Andom

          Emias:
          When talking reforming the criminal PFDJ it is in the spirit of reconcillation to save the people and nation from the vicious cycle of revenge. To my mind it is not to absolve the PFDJ for its crimes for the last 40 years. Although there is a tendency to miniaturize the criminal responsibility to a handful so called Isaiasists, but this term must be taken as a genuine attempt to differentiate between the criminals and what SJG called the likes of “Adey Tabetu”.

          Like any criminal that made a deliberate decision to be reformed there will be probation, cooperation and “enkan haban”. In exchange for us not to take revenge for all the crimes they perpetuated, incited, master minded and for the sake of the nation’s posterity, they have to be stripped of their powers and some unlimited restriction to power public office, etc. We cannot afford to have them running the country, the habits of crime and cruelty is branded in their brains.

          Semere Andom

        • Abinet

          Eyob
          Yeraswa siarbat yesew tamaslalech alu?

      • Horizon

        If there is any person who fails to understand that Ethiopia, a country 20 times the size of Eritrea, could have a population 20 times bigger, then, that is his/her problem. It takes only simple mathematics to understand this basic numerical fact.

        There should come a time when some Eritreans
        understand that they are a small nation of 4-5m, and it is only logical that they should act as such. Antagonizing and fighting the elephant next door is futile, and against their national interest, if they could only understand it. This human resource (flies as much as some arrogant Eritreans are concerned) is creating an economy that is making Ethiopia a regional economic power, and that is why we say, blessed is the fertile womb of the Ethiopian woman.

        • Abinet

          Amen!!!! Welad tibarek! Emye Ethiopia lezelalem tinurln!

    • Semere Andom

      Emias:
      When talking reforming the criminal PFDJ it is in the spirit of reconcillation to save the people and nation from the vicious cycle of revenge. To my mind it is not to absolve the PFDJ for its crimes for the last 40 years. Although there is a tendency to miniaturize the criminal responsibility to a handful so called Isaiasists, but this term must be taken as a genuine attempt to differentiate between the criminals and what SGJ called the likes of “Adey Tabetu”.

      Like any criminal that made a deliberate decision to be reformed there will be probation, cooperation and “enkan haban”. In exchange for us not to take revenge for all the crimes they perpetuated, incited, master minded and for the sake of the nation’s posterity, they have to be stripped of their powers and some unlimited restriction to power public office, etc. We cannot afford to have them running the country, the habits of crime and cruelty is branded in their brains.

      Semere Andom

  • PE

    [Moderator: You might be new here. Stereotyping and blanket condemnation of people is racism. Be careful when you post here.]

    Biggest difference is xxxxx boot lickers. xxxxx are. Xxxxxx. In fact, they are addicted to it. I don’t think [all Xed.]

  • Hayat Adem

    One Inch Punches* Policy
    Pause, U-Turn, Side Turn, Wide Turn, Return or No Turn, we need to laser-focus on the most important and urgent issues that matter, we need to raise specific questions, we need to try to have specific answers.
    -Change or continuing the states quo? Almost every one agrees on this- change is a must.
    -Reform or total change? Reform or/and radical or a hybrid format can be applied to specific areas based on the political aspiration of the people and practicality of the needed impact. On the most, given the little resources we have and as a small nation, we may not have the luxury of throwing out everything and start afresh. We need to opt for radical changes on all or most of the policy and governance contents, but for a reform (call it recycling) on the policy tools. Examples: the present anti prosperity and plurality governance policies and principles need to be completely replaced by new and progressive ones; the national army can be reformed, the entire public bureaucracy can be reformed; police forces can be reformed all with acute sense of retooling them on a new mission; the intelligence set-up and orientation has to be changed completely.
    -Relations with the outside world and the proximate region? It is one of the policy contents that need to be changed from one of suspicion and confrontation driven to one that promotes cooperation and integration.
    -What about the fate of pfdj as a party/front? They can be part of the reform and/or change based on the rules and play a competitive politics based on the rules of play to be set for all parties. If they stand against the chnages and reforms, they should be excluded and weeded out.
    -Past crimes? ghedli crimes, policy and soft crimes can be forgiven but hard crimes committed post 1991 must be accounted and addressed either by one time ad hoc commissions or the the regular courts and they should NEVER be excused for political expediency of any sort.
    ———
    *it is a concept from bruce lee. that small guy can knock down any standing human being with a punch of 1 inch distance from the target. lets not dream and plan from a distance and far away. lets get grounded to reality, lets have the real feel of Aboy Habteab’s family livelihood. lets work hard to identify not only what is wrong but what needs to be done and how it can be done. The change we plan needs to be for the better for the larger population and a firmer foundation for other even bigger- better changes in the future.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hey Hayat,

      I like your avatar a symbol of cooperation. your notes are on mark and judicious. We Eritreans should go to a crash course to understand the concept of “cooperation” within ourselves and with others. That is one of the deficiency we have.

      • Hayat Adem

        Thanks. Even understanding what it (cooperation) means in terms of building Eritrea would have taken us a long way. I have a feeling that people are still on a run-away mode or haven’t stopped running while there is nothing to run from. There is only a thing to run for- building a country. And that requires great deal of cooperation. The metaphor is, if you are enrolled to run a marathon and you are leading, you don’t need to remain mindful of the threat from your chasers after you crossed the line. Take time to collect a breath or change your spirit of competing (running) to that of a smile and give a relieved hug to your competitors, and plan for the next marathon, a different one. You don’t even need to undo the running by rerunning backwards. What? am I talking about the u-turn!

        • ALI-S

          Hayat,
          Do you like the taxi on the pic or get you a new one? You are good.

  • Haile Zeru

    Younis H. Succeded where Semere Tesfai failed. That is shifting the blame of the misery of our people from the Government to the opposition.
    Where on earth did anyone see or hear an oppostion that is not allowed to set foot in the country is blamed for how the country is run? No where on the planet except in Eritrea where everything is abnormal.
    This amounts to blaming Mandela when he was in jail about the wellbeing of black South Africans at that time.
    The author of all miseries in Eritrea is the Governmnet. The backet stops right there. The rest is halewlew. If an earth quake happens no body blames the Government, but the Government is criticised on how it handles the aftermath.
    So, Younis stop with all this Halelew. You are just juggling words. Like in your Bio “I was born to a mother and a father in Eritrea.” Not that it matters but it is an easy example to show what I am saying. Juggling words.

    • Semere Andom

      Bother Haile Zeru:
      I also stopped on my tracks when I read ” I was born to a mother and father”, that was insane and not even funny. Maybe the PFDJites are born from a mother and a mother or a father and a father and that would explain their cruelty and stupidity.
      It is one thing be frustrated by our opposition, an opposition whose most “evil” crime is their lack of vision or focus or the paucity of competence, or their knack of being retard, but they have nothing to do with the suffering of the people and the heinous crimes against us.
      By the way the opposition is not only the organized groups and the endlessly hatched derivatives,but all the Eritrean people, so blaming the opposition for the crimes and the failure of our nation is blaming our people as all Eritreans, save a few thousands and collaborators and enforcers, every Eritrean is opposed to the government. It is PFDJ’s shameless character to blame the gebar, the nqHat yeblun hzbi kind of line. Well NqHat ybelun, maybe because PFDJ’s “hafash ywedeb, ydenQur yteAteq campaign was successful while we
      snored.
      Semere Andom

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Haile Zeru,

      Semere is a dry wit who argue as “take it or leave it” that doesn’t invite for for a debate. He is like a military man who dictates his army to do everything without question. Semere always reminds me a Colonel’s words, a true story during our student rebellion of my era. This is what the Colonel told us at that time: Tegna sileh metegnat teqelaqel sileh meqelaqel (when I tell to sleep, you should sleep and when I tell you to mix your should be mixed). That is tone and remarks of Semere. Younis is one of our genius who knows his staff very well. He knows the political cards, knows where he needs to raise his voice and lower his voice, and more importantly he knows all the possible routes of politics. When you debate with him always be serious and be equipped with necessary tools.

      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Dawit

    Ali Salim,

    You must have ruffled the feathers of the opposition camp, particularly the organized Eritrean oppositions. We need many like you and YG. YG is another maverick person whose stinging, sharp and smart arguments make many feel discomfort, inconvenience, and to some mental anguish and mild physical pain.

    I don’t know if you have ever read YG’s voluminous articles, but if you have : what are your thoughts about his arguments. Are you like Salih Yonus who is still unable to connect the dots among many of his arguments and come up with an “executive summary”. Sal thinks that YG and his “disciples” know nothing or know little about Eritrean (revolution) history that they readily fall prey to YG’s claims which revolve around advancing the interest of Eritreans over its land.

    YG says “people first !” those who think he and his fans are “Neo-andinets or ghedli defamers” oppose him; perhaps, they want him to say “land first”.

    PS: I like your witty answers. You answered Saba using clever words in a funny way : Saba asked “mesekakir”; you provided her “menkesakesi”.

  • eritrean character

    It’s
    true that Eritreans in general wear their emotions on their sleeves and don’t
    really bother with the niceties of diplomacy.
    They cut to the chase and go right at it. There is no beating around the bush or
    talking in circles (semna werq in Amharic).
    They are also much more confrontational with each other and others. They are always getting into fist fights over
    something little.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Younis H.
    Few questions from your comment in response to my comment. What is liberty to you? What kind of liberty is in your mind as oppose to that of PFDJ (if they have any at all)? What kind of government is in your mind as oppose to the government of the regime we have? Can you clearly define the conflicts of Eritrean mind? You asked us to listen where PFDJ is justifiable. What are the attributes of PFDJ you think is justifiable? Is PFDJ’s governing style justifiable to you? Can you elaborate to it? If not what kind of governance you see applicable to our diversity? Your answers should not be around the bush or full of platitudes. Tell us straight forward. Then we will know how to carry our argument. If you come justifying on the PFDJ’s holding power and then who ever is on line to fill it, I don’t think your are talking about the exit strategy from the crises we in. Go – it is your turn now.

    Amanuel Hidrat

  • haile

    Few updates today;

    – The family of Said Ali Hijay (Wedi Ali) are en route to Australia, they left Adis Ababa, Ethiopia a short while ago. The wife of the late martyr said that here situation in Eritrea was made impossible due to PFDJ characterization of her husband’s call for justice as a “Moslem movement”. Apparently, she expressed dismay at our people and especially the youth inability to raise to the challenge (Ewa’e were’dma U-turn zebahal kemzelo ekuwaE ayfeleTet! 🙂

    IA appointed a new Chief of Staff (in less than two weeks the death of the previous one) and a Minister of local government (after more than 8 months of the death of the previous). Ministry of Information???? The SEMG have some explaining to do about the recent promotion of the new chief of staff, Phlipos Weldehanse – you need to read the report to get what I mean.

    Regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      Thank you for your feed back news. It is good news. At least the kids of the hero will land in the land of opportunity to grow, educate, prosper, and of course to return to serve to the country their father gave everything including his life to free the Eritrean people from the shackle of dictatorship. God bless them and wish them a successful life.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • haile

        Hey Aman,

        Yeah it is a great news. Now the family can begin to live at peace and start the process of recovery from the ordeals they’ve gone through. Despite the incessant put down of the “opposition”, the Eritrean people who are the true opposition have prevailed in this and many of the other tragedies befalling our people. PFDJ is tied lipped about the enormous sufferings that our people are going through, yet the opposition is raising to many of the challenges and making headway in various aspects.

        I think one last event that would give a total closure to this great family of a hero is to finally be able to recover his remains and accord him a hero’s burial once the regime is demolished. I believe that would finally close the chapter in the minds of his little girls (imagine, he went out one day and they never come to see him ever again, a sad way to lose a father! PFDJ’s Eritrea is a place of sadness and heart break for many innocent people and family alike).

        • saay7

          Haile The Great:

          ኣንታ ሰብኣይ ዱካንና ከተጠፍሽዋ ዲኹም ደሊኹም with your ሰብር ዘና?

          Anyway, the other news Gedab is working on is the escape of a prisoner, a big name. We are going through our confirmation process so Aqli gber. Or, change your nickname to Gedab Raw…

          saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal, please Tinglish “salivate” for me 🙂
            SA

          • saay7

            Haha, Tegadalai Semere.

            First, Tinglish “diplomatic circular” for me.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            Enklilawi diplomasi 🙂

          • saay7

            Nice try, Sem, but nope. You will have to wait for Haile now.

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            You are still the prince of Tinglish, but we have to find a new replacement before 2015;-),you caught my bluff whenI Tinglished Diplomatic Loop 🙂
            so let me reform my self 🙂 and say Diplomasiawi kbi 😉

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Saay,

            ሰብር ዘና? Why do we try to interpret word by word from English language? It doesn’t give sense. Breaking news = Sebar Zena. Why don’t we create our own words that reflect to it, like We’Euy zena or something like that. It really irritates to say it. I think we are better than that. I am on tune to hear the breaking news.

          • Semere Andom

            Emma:
            I guess you only read his serious articles in the last 20 years. He is making fun of PFDJ, you should ask him to send you his articles on PFDJ’s literal translation when coining new words. He alerted us about the corruption by citing concrete examples, even old people are using tHtii edme to mean under-age in Tigriniya. He was funny, weary and erudite. The famous one was Thank you anytime 😉
            Too late, I typed all this and am not about to cancel, but he can aswer himself too

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Semere Andom,

            Ah, that is my nature. I am always serious and expect people that way. It is all my becoming. Thank you for reminding me.

          • haile

            hi saay,

            ሕራይ ዓቕሊ’ሲ ምገበርኩ…እንታይ’ሞ ድኳን ዲኹም ኦስፒዳለ እኮ ጠፊኡና! ጸገንቲ በዚሖም እብለካ ምራጭ ዓርከይ ፡-) BTW Diplomatic Circular may be ቆንስላዊ ውሽጣዊ ሰነድ። Waiting in much anticipation of the up coming news, U-turn ከይገብር ጥንቅቕ በሉ ሓደራ ፡-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile, Saay and Asmerom,
            How about Rit-les for u-turn and for Semere, Diplomasiyawi Hmbleel for and diplomacy qeno or zembal diplomasi.

          • saay7

            SGJ

            U-turn is, um, ስትራተጂካዊ ምዝላቅ, acceptable in military science. But when you save all your wrath on the “toothless opposition” who, by definition, are not in a position of influence and you attribute the reasons for your strategic retreat to the “toothless opposition” , then, it is known as ዘመነ ግልብጥሽ ማይ ንዓቀብ::

            saay

          • saay7

            Semere, Haile, Rodab:

            Close enough Hailat. A circular is actually ዘዋሪ መልእኽቲ. Here’s how I envision it used in a spelling bee contest for Tinglish:

            Contest Host (Semere): The phrase is ዘዋሪ መልእኽቲ
            Contestant (Haile): May I have it in a sentence please?
            Contest Host (Semere): ውሽጣዊ ሰነዳት ወያነ ዘዋሪ መልእኽቲ ዘሕለፍ እቲ እገዳ ስኒ ዘይብሉ ከይከውን ጥንቃቀ ኽግብርሎ ኣለዎ ይብል::

            Semere (and Nitricc, since this is your favorite phrase), notice how “toothless” is not translated to “Sheraf” (a word that predates EPLF) but”sni zeyblu.” (EPLF Tinglish)

            Rodab:

            All news is information but not all information is news. News is a subset of information. Thus Ministry of Information is not synonymous with Ministry of News (ministry zena) and calling it one is a misnomer. Otherwise, using your definition:

            Ministry of Information = ministry zena
            Eri-TV = television zena
            Shingrwa = mezenagEi zena.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            If they have translated it to zewair, then, it is not literal, it is good, to circulate is zewari, but zewari can mean promiscuous in Tig .The translation of toothless is literal, therefore Tinglish. Has the “ጎይታ-ሓንጎል” of Tinglish made a “የ-መልሲ” on the initial definition?

            Semere

          • saay7

            Semere: lol, you are killing me here: “የ-መልሲ” for “U-turn”? Not even “ሀ መልሲ”?

            I didn’t invent zewari for circular, just reporting what Eri-TV taught me. My all time favorite Tinglish phrases are when Isaias literally translates an Arabic phrase which is itself a literal translation of an English phrase. Example: “creative chaos.”

            saay

          • saay7

            PS: How would you Tinglish “I can listen to the toothless opposition radio on my blue tooth”?

          • Semere Andom

            Sal, You see semayawi Sni and sni-albo are literal translation, if you do “ሀ መልሲ” is not literal, it is good, We are trying to be as ridiculous as PFDJ as per your original shiger yelon ab zkone gizie 🙂
            money laundering was a classic 🙂

          • Rodab

            Sal,

            Are you forcefully dragging me into this or did I actually comment on the topic under discussion?

            Sal, how about we publish that news NOW as “unconfirmed” and we upgrade it to “confirmed” afterwards? Just a suggestion.

  • Nitricc

    It is very interesting to observe how Eyob what ever his freaking name is trying to hijack this important thread. Dude, I am sure there plenty of web-site you can post your bull crap. Can you just let the Eritreans settle their idea and let them debate. and Abinet let me help you. The major difference is that the Ethiopians are proud to be beggars and the Eritreans are ashamed to beg; they rather die and that is a big, big difference. Now please let us dialogue our issues, please!

    • Capo

      Regarding Eyob. what’s a Weyane cadre doing on an Eritrean website? He can only be up to no good.

    • Abinet

      Easy to say that while living in the west . I don’t think those people who are suffering under your “proud” administration would agree with your irresponsible point . Show me how proud can someone be by leaving his beloved and proud country just to live in a refuge camps everywhere including a ” bagger ” country. Or worse yet to die in deserts and high seas .
      You are extremely detached from realty .
      Kurat erat ayhonm

  • SM

    Haile,
    Please refer to Ali Salim ‘ s response to Emma and am glad that I do not have to stumble more to justify my cause and rationale.
    This guy is making lots of sense more than I thought and expected irrespective of his past plunder..