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The Ethiopian-Eritrean Intelligence War

It has been fifteen years since the bloody border war between Eritrea and Ethiopia ended in 2000. Since then, though the guns has been silenced, and occasional sporadic and limited clashes continued, thousands of Eritrean youth cross the border heading towards Ethiopian refugee camps from where they continue the arduous journey to Europe and elsewhere. Sadly, the region is still licking its wounds.

Though tens of thousands of lives perished in the war, the two countries have failed to resolve their lingering issues militarily, and their diplomatic maneuvers to find a solution has remained abysmal. Worse, both governments have switched full gear to espionage, trying to weaken and sabotage each other in intense intelligence battles, mainly using proxy opposition forces and propaganda onslaught. The intelligence war has escalated so much that an observer commented, “It is like the Berlin wall is transplanted between the two countries, only checkpoint Charlie is missing.”

Both countries have been hosting their adversaries’ opposition forces that they keep under stringent control. However, the Eritrean government has been the worst, extending its intelligence operations to the entire region: Somalia, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Yemen. That has caused the wrath of the international community which slapped the Eritrean government with several sanction regiments.

Last week’s return of Molla Asghedom to Ethiopia should be seen from this angle. Molla is the leader of Tigray People’s Democratic Movement (TPDM), an Ethiopian opposition group based in Eritrea since the early years after the border war ended.

On September 13, 2015, The Ethiopian Broadcasting Corporation television reported that Molla Asghedom has escaped from Eritrea to Sudan accompanied by hundreds of his troops. According to media reports, “Sudan received the opposition leader and his troops cordially and transported them to Ethiopia in an orderly manner.” Although no sovereign country allows armed groups in its territories without its consent, the unprecedented leniency that the Sudanese security officers showed to the TPDM troops has pleased the Ethiopian government which appreciated the role the Sudan played as a “historical role that the people and the Government of Ethiopia will never forget”.

Over the years, Sudan has seen so many similar incidents. In 1982, it encircled thousands of ELF fighters and disarmed them at gunpoint when they entered Sudanese territories after being pushed by a joint EPLF-TPLF onslaught. And since 2000, it has been receiving tens of thousands of Eritrean conscripts fleeing their country in rejection of the indefinite military service to which they are subjected. But this time the incident involves the Eritrean government, and the cordial reception of forces that escaped from Eritrea is expected to have serious ramification. And though the Eritrean people breathed a sigh of relief for the departure of a chunk of Ethiopian opposition forces, the Eritrean president and his government is the biggest loser because Isaias Afwerki considered TPDM his personal protectors.

Once there was Brig. General Kemal Gelchu

No news has been subjected to so much spin as the Molla Aghedom saga since the escape of Brigadier General Kemal Gelchu. In August 2006, Brigadier General Kemal Gelchu defected from the Ethiopian army to Eritrea together with around 150 soldiers. The Eritrean government-owned shabait.com was quick to report that there was mass opposition to the government of Ethiopia and that “massive uprising is equally being witnessed within the ranks of the Ethiopian Armed Forces.” For months thereafter, linking it to the bloody 2005 Ethiopian elections, Eritrean government media outlets played the news about Kemal Gelchu’s defection and made it seem as if Ethiopia was about to disintegrate due to massive popular uprisings. In the meantime, Kemal Gelchu joined a faction of the Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) and continued to be fattened by the Eritrean government, for some time.

After a few years of cozy relations with the Eritrean government, Kemal Gelchu fell out of favor and conflicting news about his arrest, release, and subsequent house-arrest, started to appear on Ethiopian media. That continued for a few more years until October 24, 2014, when a website affiliated with the Eritrean ruling party reported that, “The Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) Executive Committee today announced the removal of General Kemal Gelchu as its Chairman and purged him from the organization effective immediately.”

That was followed by an allegedly OLF official press release supporting the news that the same website provided a link to. However, on October 25, 2014, only a day later, the same website reported another news stating, “The Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) today denies media reports of General Kemal Gelchu’s expulsion as Chairman of the OLF-for-Change and accused certain disgruntled group of the organization for the baseless report.” Strangely, both conflicting news items were reported by the same website. At any rate, slowly, Brigader Kemal Gelchu disappeared from the scene.

And there was the Eastern Sudan Portfolio

After providing logistical support and training bases for most of Sudan’s opposition forces, in 2006 Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea brokered a peace deal between the Sudanese government and its opposition groups that he had sponsored in Eritrea. The deal provided the leaders of the opposition a number of federal and local government positions. Accordingly, Mussa Mohammed Mussa was given a senior ceremonial position in Omar AlBashir’s office while both Mohammad Yousuf Adam Bashir and Mohammed Tahir Eila were appointed as governors of Kassala and Red Sea provinces respectively. In 2007, Mabrouk Mubarak Salim, formerly the leader of the [Free] Lions Rashaida Group, which was based in Eritrea, became a State Minister in the Ministry of Transport and Roads.

Due to the important appointments that it secured for its Sudanese clients, the Eritrean government enjoyed great influence in the Sudan, particularly in the Kassala and Red Sea provinces that border Eritrea. The Eritrean government deployed its security agents and contraband traders, and started to run Eastern Sudan as a shadow government. Human trafficking with the collaboration of corrupt Eritrean and Sudanese officers became rampant and traffickers increased drastically. Trucks with contraband food and fuel cargo supplied Eritrea where the government set an open contraband markets in Kilo 13, Tessenei, and other villages across the border from Sudan.

All of that started to change beginning last June when Omer Al Bashir began his third term. Among his first decisions were the transfer of Mohammed Tahir Eila from his home province of the Red Sea, to the AlGezira province in central Sudan, and the transfer of Mohammad Yousuf Adam Bashir to a position in the ministry of interior in Khartoum, again away from his home province. They were replaced by Ali Hamid and Adam Gima’a respectively. Immediately, as if to prove they were independence and not beholden to the influence of Isaias Afwerki, both governors adopted stringent border control measures against contraband trade and human trafficking, as well as taking modest steps to curb corruption. The development in Eastern Sudan caused panic in the Eritrean ruling party circles and forced Isaias Afwerki to pay a visit to Sudan to complain about the strict measures that the new governors adopted in Eastern Sudan. However, AlBashir, who was humiliated for years by the International Criminal Court (ICC) which issued a warrant for his arrest, seemed to have regained his self-confidence and didn’t budge. A few days after meeting Isaias, he traveled to South Africa in defiance of the ICC arrest warrant, in addition, he defiantly expressed his decision to attend the upcoming general assembly meeting in New York. Importantly, Al Bashir was emboldened by his renewed relations with the Arab world after he joined the Saudi led alliance fighting against the Houthis of Yemen. Given the above, it is safe to assume that he has freed himself after long years of blackmailing by Isaias Afwerki.

And now there Is the Molla Asghedom saga

In September 6, 2015, reports from Asmara indicated that Dr. Berhanu Negga, the leader of the Ethiopian opposition group, Gnbot 7, became the leader of the four Ethiopian opposition groups that merged under the name of “Ethiopian National Salvation.” For years, Isaias Afwerki was working with determination to create a robust Ethiopian force that he can use to negotiate with Ethiopia for a deal similar to the one he brokered with Sudan in 2006.

Before travelling to Eritrea, Dr. Berhanu lived in the USA until he left for Asmara secretly to avoid the fate of his predecessor, Endarkachew Tsige, who last June was whisked away from the San’aa airport to Ethiopia. He was on his way from London through Dubai and Sana’a, to Asmara; now he is in jail in Ethiopia.

Dr. Berhanu Negga’s Gnbot 7 and four other groups merged and gave birth to the “Ethiopian National Salvation”. Ironically, Molla Asghedom, the leader of the largest group among the four, became deputy to Dr. Berhanu Negga. Eritrean observers widely believed that Molla Asghedom must have been coerced into accepting the arrangement. That is because TPDM forces are estimated to be around 20,000 people as reported by UN Somalia-Eritrea Monitoring Group based on information obtained from a senior Eritrean government official, though judging from Molla Asghedom’s interview, the 20,000 number seems to be very exaggerated.  In comparison, Gnbot 7 reportedly has around 800 armed troops and it has been weakened after its Secretary General, Andargachew Tsege, was arrested.

Molla Asghedom’s TPDM was the Eritrean government’s favorite group until recently when he faced Brigadier General Kemal Gelchu’s fate. However, based on his interviews, it is evident that Molla Asghedom holds the Diaspora Ethiopian opposition in very low esteem; naturally he couldn’t accept a Diaspora member like Dr. Berhanu Negga to become his boss. He must have accepted the merger arrangement under duress and posed for a photo op to fake his acceptance. Remarkably, only a few days later he crossed to the Sudan and surrendered along with his loyal troops numbering about 120 soldiers. Immediately the news about his defection spread in the camps across Eritrea, TPDM forces panicked, and their commanders lost control of of the combatants after the chaos that ensued. The combatants started to flee the camps in all directions, and before the end of the day, around 600 troops ended up in Sudan; some of them were killed in clashes with Eritrean border patrol who tried to stop them.

Every month about 4 to 5 thousand Eritreans escape the country to Sudan and Ethiopia; the security patrol around the border area is very strict and many Eritreans are shot dead by border patrol as they flee the country. The escaping TPDM combatants could have met the same fate, while hundreds have disappeared from their camps—they either headed south to Ethiopia, or are in hiding somewhere in Eritrea, or, apprehended by security forces. Not counting the wounded, TPDM has lost about a dozen lives in the clashes; the number of casualties from the Eritrean side is not yet known.

And there will always be a spin

The Molla Asghedom Saga received huge coverage among the people of the Horn of Africa due to the fact that many individuals and media outlets have put a spin on it to fit each of their particular audience. It became worse because social media is not bothered by accountability or transparency. Unfortunately the official media outlets of the two countries had little to say about it except that the Ethiopian television provided an extensive interview with Molla Asghedom. However, the underlying theme of the news has been the over promotion and lionization of the “magnificent intelligence arm” of the two countries. This has been a major undertaking by the Ethiopian media, emphasizing that Molla Asghedom was a mole in Eritrea. And not to be outdone, Eritrean supporters of the regime boasted about the brilliance of their government’s intelligence units “that exposed the conspiracy of Molla Asghedom and he had to run away in haste.” The counter spin also includes some Ethiopian claims that Molla was planning to lure Dr. Berhanu to the border areas where he would be kidnapped and whisked away to Ethiopia, just like Endarkachew Tsige, which some Eritrean government supporters spin, claiming that Molla Asghedom had to flee because the Eritrean intelligence units uncovered that plot as well.

At the end, the root of the Ethiopian-Eritrean problem remains unresolved, while the saga proved to be one more episode in a series of intelligence games with little value for the players, and with lesser value for the beleaguered people straddling the border areas between the two countries.

Related Reading:

The Ruling Party Of Eritrea And Its Ethiopian Allies
Oct. 24 news title: Brig General Hailu Gonfa Replaces General Kemal Gelchu
Oct. 25 news title: OLF Denies Expelling General Kemal Gelchu

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  • saay7

    Hi Nero:

    Welcome back! I think if we follow the thread here, the subject was introduced by someone quoting an author or commenter in Asmarino who said something to the effect that you can fight a colonizer (the person) and can get back what he colonized (the land) but you cannot win back a colonized mind. And the person made it clear that he was talking about Ethiopian Muslims.

    This brought a retort from Fanti that rather than seeing Arabic as a language of destruction it can be seen as a language of commerce. And this in exchange got him a hail of protest from the usual quarters who define Ethiopianism by its un-Arabness.

    Your view of Egyptian popes visit is cynical and it actually doesn’t comform to what the two religious leaders said in their presser: that they would defer the issue of the Nile to the politicians.

    As for Meles Zenawi conversation with Paul Henze, given that the earliest advocates of Eritrean nationalism were predominantly Muslim, his “Eritrean Muslims are Muslims first; Ethiopian Muslims are Ethiopian first”, one can give it various interpretations. The charitable one is that the conversation happened in 1990 when political Islam was at its apex among Eritreans in Sudan and the Eritrean Islamic Jihad was at its most powerful. That is, he was taking two years of political Islam and forgetting 5 decades of secular political activism. The cynical view (my turn) is that he was telling Henze, a virulent Eritrea-hater (he wrong long and often about how Eritrea will never be “viable”) exactly what he wanted to hear. That Eritrean Muslims are more assertive than Ethiopian Muslims is simple a function of fractions: when you believe you are half the population (in Eritrea) and when you are told you are 5% of the population (as is the case in Tigray), you will behave differently. This is even more pronounced if you are told that there is one official religion and it’s not yours.

    saay

    • አዲስ

      Hi Saay,

      I want to interject here cause I see you as simply egging the Ethiopian Muslim community to feel as an outsider.

      You Said “I don’t recall a single one of them coming to the defense of their compatriots (Ethiopian Muslims) as being from free from having a colonized mind, did you?”…I haven’t followed the thread to its entirety, but if there’s anybody who think the Ethiopian Muslim have a colonized mind, then that person or group is delusional to the very last and vicious and hateful to the whole of Ethiopia at most. It’s not a secret that the words ‘colonization’ and ‘colonized Ethiopians’, Muslim or otherwise doesn’t go together. The Ethiopian Muslim knows this and doesn’t want anybody to come to his/her defense. I suggest you take a closer and an intellectually honest look at the history and cultural interaction of the Ethiopian Muslim with the rest of his/her brothers and sisters in Ethiopia. That way you at least can save yourself and those who look up to you(I see some of them here :)) from making these repeated and silly mishaps on the subject.

      Thanks,
      Addis

      • saay7

        Hey Addis:

        Go easy on that tap on my head: your condescension is showing 🙂

        Pray tell: can you mention one of the “repeated and silly mishaps”?

        saay

        • አዲስ

          Hi Saay,

          It’s not condescension and your repeated silly mishaps are : your thinking there’s a collective hate towards Arabs or Arabic from Ethiopia, your thinking that the Ethiopian Muslim identify with the Arab community, your thinking that there’s a gulf between the Ethiopian Muslim and his/her brothers and sisters…. Should I go on or does that nor represent your views ?

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            Let’s deal one at a time with my “silly mishaps.” The “Ethiopian view” is a sum total of how Ethiopians self-identify themselves in their mythology, in their history, and their narrative. Right?

            They saw themselves as a Christian fortress who were able to defeat repeat campaigns by Islamists, Arabians and fascists. Christianity was the official religion of Ethiopia. And the head of state was the head of the church, during the era of kings, princes and warlords. Is this a silly mishap? In its eons of post-Christian history, Ethiopia’s elevation of Ethiopian Muslims as equal citizen is relatively recent. Is that a silly mishap?

            There is strong and virulent anti-Arab language expressed here by Ethiopians who consider themselves mainstream. Is this a silly mishap?

            You are wrong: I didn’t say that “Ethiopian Muslims identify with Arab community.” What I said, and the quote from Asmarino writer is telling, is that some Ethiopian/Eritrean Muslims as fifth columnists of questionable loyalty to Eritrea/Ethiopia. You can get all righteously indignant or go all Hade hzbi Hade lbbi, or you can poll those who feel that way.

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            I will leave the “Hade hzbi Hade libbi” to the experts north of our border.

            To come to your point, you stated some basics in your second paragraph. What you fail to expand on is that Ethiopia’s interaction with the Arab world at this time, which isn’t as it used to be. We are not fighting direct wars with them, they are not our exclusive trading partners…. with that comes an indifference to the Arab world in the psyche of Ethiopians. The Ethiopian people at large doesn’t consider them enemies or allies. We may deal with them in-terms of some of our interests like our citizens working in Arab countries, their investment in Ethiopia…but certainly not as a political or cultural foe or friend. With that in mind your blanket statement of “…That is a direct outcome of a culture that considers Arabic (not just Arabs) as a language of the enemy.” is a silly mishap.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            Mmmmkay. But not really. In Eritrea, an Isaias Afwerki, a Yemane Gebreab, a Woldeyesus Ammar, a Semere Andom, a Semere Habtemariam, a Seyoum Ogbamichael, a Tesfai Degiga can have an interview in Arabic and it is a politician/thinker communicating. In Ethiopia, that is unthinkable.

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            You said: ” In Ethiopia, that is unthinkable. It’s seen as surrender. ”

            There you again with your absurd generalization and mishaps. The collective psych of our country is indifferent to it is what I keep telling you and you keep missing or choose to ignore every time. “Surrender” is a strong emotion, most Ethiopians don’t really care about Arabic.

            You mentioned Isaias Afwerki, et’al …’Sew tira bilut…’ 🙂 What does the people you mentioned got to do with Arab/Arabic relation to Ethiopia? May be it’s in the interest of Eritrea to embrace and give higher status to Arabic for whatever reason. That’s simply not my business and not the topic under discussion here. I thought the subject here’s Ethiopia. Or are you suggesting we take the examples of Eritrean politicians on how to conduct our politics and embrace Arabic? 🙂

            I don’t understand what you are trying to insinuate on your last statement so I will leave it there.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey addis:

            That was a lot of mock outrage. I am moved. Not really. Show me a single Christian Ethiopian speaking in Arabic. I will give u a week to find it. And I will give u multiples of Christian Eritreans speaking in Arabic.

            What I am trying to “insinuate” is that for revilutionary Eritrea, Arabic is just a language of communication. For Ethiopia it is not. That simple. In other words, you are the voices of reaction and conservatism and we are the voice of revolution and progress. And what is so hilarious is that your guys are very fond of presenting yourself as the voice of modernity.

            What I am telling u is that in the Horn of Africa Eritrea is the voice of progress and Ethiopia is and forever will be th voice of conservatism and reactionary voices. And His Fantiness is the only one who gets it which is why all Eritreans have given him an Eritrean citizenship.

            mr mojorisen

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            Come on, you are better than that or at least I think you are. How can you have the “difret” to suggest that there’s no single Christian Ethiopian who speak Arabic. Do you even realize how absurd your ask is?

            Again I am not going to comment on Eritrea’s view toward Arabic. None of my business or not my interest at this AM. I am here to push back on your misguided view of Ethiopians toward Arabic/Arabs. zem bleh atkelakel 🙂

            You said : ” And what is so hilarious is that your guys are very fond of presenting yourself as the voice of modernity.” ha ? 🙂 you infer that from my statement of ‘we don’t care about Arabic as much as you think’ ? Besides the “voice of modernity” is another topic and discussion. You are allover the place saay. Have some breakfast. 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis!

            The band is really fantastic and by the way which one is Pink? (MN will get it; because he is Eritrean. You won’t )

            Remember when Meles Zenawi and Kenyas Moi visited GEORGE W Bush at the White House? All they had to sell was Midevalism. (I strongly recommend you read the script of what Meles said then. It really was the voice of reaction and conservatism.). We, Eritreans, in the Horn, have always been the voice of progress to lift u from the morass u are in 🙂

            Saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            pink..? band..? Are you talking about Pink Floyd? 🙂

            eway tekeste ale yagere sew. leyetolehal 🙂 Some progress you guys are making 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Don’t make Addis look the transcripts of Meles’ White House visit.. I got it.. 🙂

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XXagqZ1efw

            Now, here is what might be different about Ethiopia/Arabs relationship, which is making it very hard for us to trust them. (Particularly the gulf Arabs)

            *A good number of them believe that because the prophet’s companions were sent to Ethiopia by the prophet himself, Ethiopia should be a place, where all of its citizens must adhere to Islam, by extension to Arabic culture. (Many gulf Arabs have difficulty to differentiate between Islam and Arabic culture) The prerequisite for their absurd notion is speaking Arabic. Over the years, they labored so hard to make Ethiopia a member of the Arab league to fulfill that dream of theirs… Like they did with Djibouti and Somalia, in hopes to stymie their unique identity and replace it with Arabic culture. Well, look what happened in Somalia with the terrorists they have funded, and Djibouti is now reconsidering of associating itself with that organization. Ethiopia held out of that kiss of death, even though they kept calling us…

            http://www.irinnews.org/report/32399/ethiopia-calls-for-ethiopia-to-join-arab-league

            *Training thugs like Dimtsachin Yesema leaders (not the rank and file members) and to try to sneak in their hateful and dangerous religious ideology in our country and dilute our unique way of coexistence..

            *When all fails they throw temper tantrums and they take revenge against poor and disadvantage Ethiopians they find in their backyard. From Alem Dechasa to hundreds of Ethiopian young women and their abuse and racist attack they had to endure is all available on you tube for your viewing. You may be saying that “oh they are individual citizens not the governments”. I would say… BS..their government news outlets, (I have the clips available on request) rounds up young Ethiopian men and force them to confess on TV that they are criminals”because they are Christians from Ethiopia”.

            *Their leaders also don’t refrain from as hateful as they can be. Here is one of their “Princes” hissy fitting on Ethiopia.
            http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article45666

            So with all these, to ask us not to be suspicious of them and embrace their language is absurd. We may be fool, but not idiots…

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            You have to invite him to Have a Cigar first.

            … And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
            We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

            By the way, speaking of Riding the Gravy Train, in Ethiopia regional ganging up was blatantly practised in the open. I had caught the tail-end, the last two years, of the Derg era and what I observed was that different lucrative departments were associated with certain regions.

            For example, Central Planning (Zemecha Memria) – Gojam,
            Finance Ministry – Gonder,
            EDDC (goods distribution) – Oromo,
            National Bank – a joint Gojam-Gonder operation
            Insurance – Gonder
            Ethiopian Airlines – retired Air Force personnel and relatives of high ranking ESEPA (WPE) members were replacing Eritreans.

          • saay7

            Selamat MN:

            Well, what EPRDF has done, rather brilliantly, is to create a cartel where (a) each party in its coalition and/or ally gets total monopoly of the nationality they represent giving us the meto-be-meto elections and (b) each party monopolizes a ministry/dept at the federal level.

            The part that matters to us Eritreans–foreign affairs, national defense–is run by TPLF and we all have to deal with the fact all the biases, wounds and luggage TPLF carries with it (for 40 years) are official Ethiopian policy. And people wonder why there is no reconciliation between Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hey Saay,

            So Arabic fluency is an indicator of progressivism and conservatism? This is getting funnier by the comment.

            Arabic in Ethiopia is a non-issue. There is no demand for it, there is no constituency for it, and people that want to learn it are free to do so at many available schools.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Hey Amde:

            Exactly. For Ethiopia, Arabic is: no demand, non issue. For ethiophiles in Ertrea: Arabic is no demand non issue. Well actually, Arabic is “why are u trying to be something u are not?” For the progressive forces, Arabic like English is just a language and its cultural luggage can be stripped.

            Good luck Amde with your Fortress Ethiopia :

            Saay

          • Amde

            Saay

            But you wouldn’t tell an American he is not a progressive because he doesn’t know Arabic. OK, if you say America is too far away, you wouldn’t tell a Turk he is not progressive if he does not know Arabic. This is just a bizarre argument.

            Amde

    • Rahwa T

      Dear saay,

      Here you are saying that when Muslims in Tigray reaches 50% of the population, they would consider themselves as “Muslims first” and “Ethiopians second”. You are contradicting your view on the Eritrean Muslims, sir.

      • saay7

        Hey Rahwa darling:

        All I am saying is that how a social groups views itself is based on the curse of fractions.

        saay

    • Nero

      Saay,

      Yes, I did follow the thread. Thank you for your perspective on Meles’s interview. It is good the Popes know much better than the people who handle the myopic Hydro Diplomacy file, and overvalue the Coptic card.

      I am cynical of the Pope’s visit, not because of the Pope himself, but how his visit is and was seen by the Egyptian media and talking heads the past few years. I heard it from Egyptians as if it was like, “Hey we can send the Pope and use his influence” – which I think is borne of how they view the Nile issue – thus the cynicism about his visit.

      I value the relationship of the two communities the Copts and the Ethiopian orthodox as it is one of the often forgotten aspects of Egyptian-Ethiopian relationship – just a bit cynical now that it is being dusted off and shown around as part of a diplomatic move.

      I think your view of how the country views its Muslims citizenry is a bit outdated (the Dimtsachin Yisema people- that is another topic altogether). Nor is there an official religion in Ethiopia now, nor was there then in 1989, although Tigray is pretty much homogeneous when it comes to religion.

      N

      • saay7

        Hey Nero:

        Quick notes:

        Egypt media, Kuwait media, Saudi media and all Arab media are all state media and, by definition, bad. It’s not a coincidence that Arabs listen to the Arabic service of BBC and Monte Carlo because their state media are just awful.

        Just like you are cynical of the popes visit to Ethiopia, I am cynical of the late Meles Zenawi (and, by extension, TPLF and by extension, EPRDF) assessment of “Ethiopian Muslims are Ethiopians first and Eritrean Muslims are Muslims first.” That’s all.

        saay

  • saay7

    Hi Addis:

    The diminishment of Coptic language and their adoption of Arabic follows the same trajectory many languages have followed. And of course, it is not the caricature version that is often presented:

    http://www.coptic.org/language/stshenouda1.htm

    That each cultures dread and fear is becoming extinct is understood and not controversial. It is just surprising to me how unsophisticated the tool you are choosing to guard against that.

    saay

    • አዲስ

      Hi Saay,

      Btw you mentioned my name here by mistake. Did you miss me or you don’t know how to read Ge’ez scripts ? 🙂

      Thanks,
      Addis

    • Eyob Medhane

      Sal,

      Sorry, I just couldn’t let this go. In the link that you have provided to Addis to justify the reason why the Coptic language disappeared, I sifted through the word debris and found this. To me, these quotes do not indicate that Coptic language has evaporated “following the same trajectory many languages followed”.

      Here is what it says..

      “…..By the middle of the seventh century, Egypt came under the dominance of Arab rulers that eventually tried to force the Copts to learn Arabic to keep their government jobs…..”

      “….As the 11th century approached, the excellent relations between the rulers of Egypt and the Church were drastically changed as the Hakem-bi-Amr-Allah became the ruler. His violent mood swings took their toll on the Christians who were periodically subjected to open persecutions, had their churches closed for up to two years at time, and saw their language being prohibited from use. Through God’s grace, this period did not last long, but it definitely left open the door for further decline in Coptic use….”

      So…Call us “unsophisticated” or what ever you would like, if we have to die, we prefer to die fighting…

      • saay7

        Hey Eyobai:

        And what’s before and after those two paragraphs?:)

        I am confused, though. I look at Geez, Arabic and Coptic and this is my friends at Wikipedia tell me:

        GEEZ

        Language family
        Afro-Asiatic
        Semitic
        South Semitic
        Ethiopian Semitic
        North Ethiopian Semitic
        Geʻez

        ARABIC

        Language family
        Afro-Asiatic
        Semitic
        Central Semitic
        Arabic languages
        Arabic

        COPTIC

        Old Egyptian
        Middle Egyptian
        Late Egyptian
        Demotic Egyptian
        Coptic

        Why are you wanting to be something you are not? Should I take that psych couch you use to psycho analyze and psycho babble Eritreans and use it on you?

        saay

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hello Fanti,

    Your comment in the other thread reminds me about my Russian professor in organic chemistry in the late 60s. We were talking about nature and the theoretical conflict on its origin. At the end of our discussion he left me with a question. And the question was: Can your God create something he can’t lift? The question was problematic, because if you answer yes or no, it induce another question – why? So debating on the existence of God is endless, and since it is a faith (like an axiom= true without proof), it should be left to individual decisions.

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Mr. Amanuel,

      Taking a risk of annoying moderators, and I strongly suggest we all should come back to relevant topics, I must reply to “can God create something he can’t lift,” because that has been Atheists and agnostics’ core argument against the existence of God for centuries.

      It is carefully designed for failure. It is tempting to reply “the heaviest object humans can conceivably fathom is the Universe itself and He is moving it, but that would fail to address the logical error of the question. So, the question needs to be rephrased so that it can be answered logically.

      For example, you are able to think about me as well as you are able to ‘not think’ about me. So, strictly ability wise, you are able to ‘not think’ about me like you were not thinking about me last week Wednesday at 3:00 pm. However, if I ask you to not think about me for the next 10 seconds it cannot be done, because you would be trying to force your mind to do something it must not do. I am sure you can see the logical error in that.

      Although God is able to do anything and everything within the scope of what He does, this question cannot be answered because the heaviest thing cannot possibly exist in the first place since you can add something to it ad infinitum.

      “…it should be left to individual decisions.” Agreed!

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Fanti Ghana,
        I agree with you two “it should be left to individual decision”

        in fact even for every one who chose his religion and try to explain to me his religion is better than mine, I use to close the debate by saying -hey, what ever you believe will be materialized. the most important point here is, say it believer or none believer everyone on earth should not force others to fallow his stand.

  • AMAN

    Well Gud I think is saying this
    You both are still and has been dancing around the real issue
    vis a vis the people and their rights to know their affairs.
    The evidence for this is the current or previous many reversals
    and – turns, and apologies that has been made more than twice
    ending up finally coming to the exact same point that needed to
    be crossed or dealt with.
    The self entitled Elites and the masse/the people are disconnected
    And the responsibility of the middle class intelligentsia or bureaucrats
    is uphold their promise of serving the people and not to bow down for
    powers diktat even by paying their life as sacrifice let alone sacrifices
    in money and position in the gov’t service. Government means people.
    He I think is saying the power elites are still short of coming to look each
    other in the eye. They are still dancing around the issues and come with
    the results of the home works given to them by the people and show their
    leadership and accountability. Rather what they were and still are doing is
    externalizing that looking for a third person or party as a scapegoat to pass
    their blame or failures. A typical trend of not been accountable or take
    responsibility by using the name “TEGADALAI” as cover against the “Gebars”
    Just carried from the subculture of Ghedli and passed over to the new struggle
    for justice while it directly contradicts it.
    That is what I guess Gud is saying……but we will wait until we hear more from
    him.

  • Gud

    Ato Kokeb,& all

    Now that you mentioned Hayat, the drama queen/king of the week, I kind of saw some pattern on the disciples as well:

    1. First came the ያዙኝ ልቀቁኝ and all that jazz of a drama queen. The Hayat individual threw a couple of bullet points at us, pretending to present new stuff. We said Huh?, what is new here? Well, sure, a slight change from “I am an Eritrean Muslim woman” to “I am an Eritrean woman with Muslim and Christian parents, ሃይማኖተይ ግን ዕጭለይ ኣይነግርን 🙂 ” Never mind the ‘Half Muslim” is another drama and is thrown there to say: “I don’t know all the terminologies people, I am only half muslim”. Nice.

    Then came the ጥሪፍ ጥሪፍ like the old “Venti Uno” nothing is moving, no body is going anywhere. All was a drama. Poor Pappi 🙂 Poor Kim H 🙂

    2. Believing his queen/king is leaving the forum for good, our friend from next door Kim, passed stinky gas on us. Every body was disgusted, except, well except our undisputed humorless f*** up, ato Amanuel H (and another nobody :)), who came out from his hibernation to give a big up vote.

    Just like Hayat’s ” ከድኩ ኣጉሩዕለይ እባ then ሓሴኩም እየ ወደይ” our Amauel pulled somethink like “Up vote at work place, check the weather, then down vote at home ” drama. Nice. Poor Kokhob Selam! we saw him going up and down like a lost kid 🙂

    3. Then came the sick poem of our Kokhob Selam himself.

    እርይራይ እኽብካብ ደቂ ማሕበር ኣንድነት –
    ሸፋቱ ከተርቲ ዝነበሩ ድሑራት –
    ቅድም ዝሰርሑ ህዝብና ንምጽናት –
    ሎሚ ርእናዮም ክብሉና ናጽነት ::

    ግዳ ኣበይ ኢሎሞ ናጽነት ሓርነት :-
    ዘይሕልው ድኣ ሰብ ኣዊ መሰላት :-
    ጭፍራ ህግደፍ ጉዶም ከተቀልዐት :-

    Now he is saying
    ዕደ ድኣ ዕደ ህዝቢ ነየዕረፈት::

    Well, he is saying this now “beg me to give you what the poem is all about” ….We are waiting for his Hayat moment or Amanuel Hidrat moment of ሓስየኩም እየ ወደይ.

    Go ahead, take it away Kokeb…

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Gud,

      Are you Eritrean or from the Ethiopian opposition?

      What is your ethnicity?

      What is your religion?

    • V.F.

      Gud, what’s going on? You forgot your meds? You never replied to my defense of KH’s post. He said in the sense of a Singapore version of Eritrea, forget it. Singapore had a million things go it’s way at once. We have a million things going the opposite direction for us.

      Needless to say, instead of defaming individuals, why don’t you advance your idea if you have one.

      You are an angry SOB. You can disagree with AH and KS but you can never question their integrity. Your mission is to drive people out of here but you won’t succeed.

      For everybody here, the only reason to quit is to get booted out by the website. Resigning for any other reason makes one a quitter. We ain’t quitting bro.

      By the way, I upvoted you for whatever it’s worth to you.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear V.F

        Gud aka Gheteb is our sick brother who needs help from us. From what he is Reacting he sound as someone attacked by a disease called ” Obsessive Compulsive Disorder “. If saay could volunteer as a relay I could send for him some psychotropic medicine. His agitation cannot be other than that.

        We will talk with his close friends as to how he could avoid politics. As I sensed politics aggravates the symptoms he has. Gud , if I am wrong take it as humor.
        V.F you are right to give him an Up Vote as it is big deal for him.

        Saay,

        Now I realized about the theorem you were talking about.

        Regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Gud

          We will wait till you get home, Ato Hidrat,:)

          You know, just incase this is also one of those “Amanuel at home negating Amanuel at work” moments :). Now where did I read/see that or something similar? Oh, yea, that Amanuel 1 vs Amanuel 2 thingy mentioned in this forum some time back, wink, wink :).

          • Gud

            Moda – Got it

        • Amde

          Selam Amanuel and VF

          There is no way Gud is Gheteb. He just doesn’t have the vocabulary. I bet he is just a pissed off Amiche like Araya or Dawit. He will be telling us how bad he had it during his last trip in Addis, negotiating the hotels, nightclubs, etc etc…

          Amde

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Amde,

            He could be an angry opposition from Ethiopia or Somalia.

            So far he has refused to clarify.

          • Amde

            Hi Music Novice,

            Now you made me curious to see a Somali opposition say yazugn liqequgn. That one is a camel ride too far for me, but who knows.

            There is this Somali guy who begs outside a couple of the Ethiopian restaurants in washington DC. He approaches you and tells you a sob story in Somali accented but otherwise perfect Amharic. He asks if you can get him something to eat. Touched, you say, “OK I will. What would you like.” Without batting an eye lid, he says “Kitfo”

            This must work for him, because he was there for a while. I know I bought him something just because his sheer audacity was funny. Cant remember if it was Kitfo though.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Hi Amde
            You know some camels are equipped with mola. They can go 0-60 in seconds. They can make it from Asmara to Addis in one day.Like the ones Saay rides ….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Amde

            You might be right. We shall see if he could come with identity disclosure.

            Regards

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Gheteb sorry I mean Gud,

      note that I have up voted too. My plan was successful, I was in doubt if you are Gheteb or not. here I found the answer from your post. in fact the exam you face was tough. at the beginning when someone else came with his Andnet old sickness I thought you pass the exam as cleaver but things has changed now. you totally trapped yourself. why do you think none in awate participants to say anything or reply to that poem? They knew who Kokhob is and they are well aware how I mange to destroy the hidden narrow minded like you.

      there is one strange thing happened, the 2 way sanction request was proposed from met to you earlier, months back. that shows no matter what name you use or style you use my unshakable principle is there to expose you and manage the same always till you stand corrected.

      Gheteb, the queen remains queen and she is respected always. for your information we had strong debates with her when first landed here. we have still some minor differences still but differences are normal and natural in her kingdom. in fact differences handled wisely are necessary. I love the queen…I wish her long life.

      you also mentioned Amanuel my lion, my teacher. the great man of all times. he was never affected with narrow tendencies and who never just allow to play with any one when comes to long and hard struggle of our people. a man who want every Eritrean to trust every Eritrean, a man who wrote fantastic articles to teach us how to solve our conflicts. He has chosen to be calm for all disturbances of sleepy people taking responsibility.

      I am proud to see you putting me in the same roof of those highly disciplined people although I have long to go to be one of them. But I am still wondering what are you trying to do by posting all nonsense blames? are you trying to divide us from our brothers and sisters in this site? you must be still a child who should learn a lot. I am here my friend after first wathcing for more than 10 years. I never join people easy and I never divorce as simple as you thought. when I become member of one party, then I am. I am a member of one party for the last 40 years. if I am your friend in bad and good times. All you have to do is keep your principle rooted and never change and awate team is the one I trust when comes to sites. SGL ans Saay7 even if they try to push me they can’t. I am already part of them. I am always here to learn from them. When Saay7 and Amuni had some misunderstandings, I jump to say something. you know why?I love them. I love them more than Kokhob. if you know those wonderful guys you will become like me. So join me in love university instead of playing those dirty games.

  • Amde

    Hello Muslim Awatistas,

    I would like to wish you all a Happy Eid. Thank you for collectively making this place welcoming and where I get to learn a lot a lot. The two SalehJ, Saay, Mahmuday, Hayat (even if you said you are possibly no longer one), Sara and the many others.

    Amde

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear brother,

    “But you keep on pulling “Hayat” on me 🙂 if you want to go, just freaking go. Why all the drama?” dreaming? you, with this mind that you have will move Kokhob?

    • Gud

      Huh?
      Man, you are unconsciously funny Ato Kokeb. Perhaps you should ask your queen (king? or wahtever) to help you interpret stuff sometimes

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear gentle man,
        is that ,you might be right but not DIA.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear awetawyan,

    every time an issue rises PFDJistas start mentioning “weyane” if there is any problem in Eritrea it is all the fault of “Weyane” . if the patent dies due to lack of electric city in hospital the cause is weyane. in fact if your the bath room is not functioning well it is because of weyane, if Kokhob Selam criticizes PFDJ he is “weyane ” the list goes.

    if the above is true then this must be because of PFDJ http://thisisafrica.me/ethiopia-opens-sub-saharan-africas-first-modern-light-rail-system/

    • Pass the salt

      Selam Kokhob Selam,
      Addis is now officially East Africa’s New York.
      China financed/is financing multi-faceted projects in Ethilpia. To mention few: it financed the half billion dollar light rail project, the hundreds of millions dollars AU building, and most importantly and to Eritrea’s grave consequence, China is financing the life-line Ethio-Djibouti rail road at great fortune. Isaias sold Eritrea’s current and future lunches, all for personal vendetta. In the face all of this, China is one of the few countries Isaias worships to. China, a country that is doing the biggest damage to Eritrea’s short and long term economy, is always portrayed positively by the regime’s media and by Isaias himself (well what’s the difference btn the two anyway).
      This is to point out just one more demo that Isaias is all about himself and doesn’t give a ***** about the interest and well-being of Eritrea. When will his supporters see what we, the normal people, see.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Pass the salt,
        supporters knew and know what PFDJ is very well. in the past may be there were some who really don’t know but now it different. do me one favor, list down 10 supporters in the town you leave. yes only 10. trust me if not all at least 9 are worried about their past, and you will not find any innocent except one if you and that will be crazy one.

        • V.F.

          Dear KS, to your amusement, let me tell you a story. My childhood friend and neighbor came to the USA about six years ago. He defected the regime after they sent him on a scholarship. He brought his parents a few weeks ago from Asmara. The list of things they complain about is endless. One that made me want to cry is when they said they leave the grains at the mill for days until power shows up. After hearing so many hard to believe stories, I asked “who is in charge?” The man replied with no hesitation “angihu zitese’a.”

          To get to my main point, their son is a PFDJ sympathizer if not a staunch supporter. It’s really hard what to make of Eritreans mindset these days.

      • Abi

        Dear PTS
        Do you mean ” The NewYork of Africa “?

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Sir,

    “ያለበት ይበንበት “በሉ ኢትዮጵያውያን ክምስሉ::

    ክንደይ ዘይገዓሩ – ክንደይ ዘይዘለሉ :-
    ክንደይ ዘይፈከሩ – ክንደይ ዘይደበሉ :-
    ክንደይ ዘይጨደሩ – እንታይ ከ ዘይብሉ :-
    ድሮ መዓልቲ ኣኺሉ – ሚስጥር ተፋሕቲሩ :-
    ካብ ስልጣን ከይተላዕሉ – ንያቶም ተሰይሩ :-
    ግርጭት ኣመሎም ብኣእዳዎም ይሓሩ ::

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Maekebay;
    I also challenge you on this: given the demographics of the highlanders how would the lowlanders pay the same number of lives for Eritrea’s independence. to me it is a game of numbers. Ghedli started in the lowland, the Kebessa were late bloomers and when they joined they for sure changed the game and without them no Independent Eritrea. But it was not because of the lack of commitment or that the others were deserting the struggle. The lowlanders should not brag about how they started the Ghedli and accuse the Kebessa for coming later, the Kebessa should not tell the Lowlanders they paid less for independence
    I also believe that if there was some sanity in Ethiopia, if there was some vision in Eritrea we would be better off without the Ghedli, because no matter of its founding ideals the product is disaster. But dissolving the federation instead of allowing it to run its course and upping the ante on the crimes was what emboldened and pushed the Kebessa to abandon Ethiopia, harboring either of these sentiments makes one a bigot

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear SJG and all Awatistas:
    I was peeking into your comments since my announcement. I thought I should drop a line to reflect how much humbled and overwhelmed I’m by all that. And if it is not for my contributions because there are many equally good and better awatistas to continue the discourse, I am seriously reconsidering if it is wise of me to run away from a warm house out to the cold.
    Hayat

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Hayat,
      It is not wise at all, I don’t think you need to think or consider anything at all–just do what you do. And…. slaughter a goat to absolve yourself of the sin you committed against Ghedli..:-) That is all

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Saleh:
        That is funny! Where is the “mesewIE” where the Ghedli Gods accept Hayat’s sacriicial goat?

        • Saleh Johar

          Semere,
          Don’t worry, they will accept the goat. But you need to slaughter a camel 🙂

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Saleh:
            I know. Do not get started with camels and milk and that “A” word, Abi will wield his “guradye”, Sal will provide his sources to say that “guradiye” is a drivetive of the Tigriniya word “Gura-Diye”: am I all bluff and he will then rank Ethiopia’s production of”gur-diye” in the world and it will be neck to neck with the “gur-daye” wielding ISIS and this forum will be on fire;-)

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Hayata,

      Amde summarized it nicely somewhere below when he advised to consider the effect you have on those invisible Awatistas, and I concur wholeheartedly. We all are benefiting from your unmatched articulation, and you bring the best in others too. The benefits of your contributions are multifold. We wouldn’t have the priviledge of reading Mahmud and Saay’s several master pieces if you hadn’t instigated and lead the topic the magical way that you do.
      Please continue!

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Hayat:
      I am glad you are reconsdering your exit. But make sure that the goat is healthy, without any blemish and make sure that before yo slaughter load your hand on it, in a symbolic transforming of your sing to the goat;-)
      And the goat must from Lowlands, not highlands, they have bigger goats, “bigayit” gots,
      you will be new born and the Ghedli Gods will be favoring you blessing you with infinite wisdom 🙂

    • welde

      Hi dear Hayat Adem,
      I am one of those so called an “invisible Awtistas”, and i am very excited that you are reconsidering your decision to leave!!! Thank you gain!

      regards,

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hayata,

      እቲ ግድል እኮ ኣብ ኩሉ መዳያት እናቀጸለ እዩ – ኣብ ስራሕ :- ምህሮ :-ስድራ ቤታዊ ርክባትን : – ኣብ ኩሉ ኣጋጣሚታትን ነቲ ካብ መስመር ዝወጸ ኣነነት ብሓደ ሸነኽ – ነቲ ኣዝዩ ዘንቆልቆለ ተንበርካኽነት ;- ብኻልእ ሸነኽ – ደቂ ሰባት ክብርታቶም ተጣሒሱ ኣብ ዘለውሉ ሰዓት እፎይ ኢልካ ምድቃስ ናይ ሓደ ሕልና ዘለዎ ሰብ ተግባር ክኸውን ክቶ ኣይክእልን እዩ :: ነቶም ለይትን መዓልትን ንህዝብታትና ብዝተፈላለየ ጸቢብ ስምዒታት ጅሆ ሒዞም ዘንከላብትዎ ዘለው ንምስዓር ንህግደፍ በይኑ ገጥምካ ምድምሳስ እኹል ኣይኮነን :: የግዳስ ካብ ስሩ ነቲ ከምዚ ዝ ኣመሰለ ድሑር ጉጅለታት ክፍጠሩ ዝገበረ ባይታ እቲ ኣተሓሳስባ ብምዃኑ ኣተሓሳስባና ምቅያርን ብጸግዒ ኣልቦ ጽፉፍ ኣተሓሳስባ ምትካእን ኣድላይነቱ ኣዝዩ ዕዙዝ እዩ ::

      እዚ ሓደ ብምህሮ ስለዝመጠቀ ወይ ኣብ ገድሊ ስለ ትሞከረ ጥራይ ዝውንኖ ልቦና ኣይኮነን :- ቅድሚ ኩሉ ዘይንሓፍን ምስ ነብሱ ተጋዲሉ ንሽፍናዊ – ላህመታውን ስምዒታቱ ሕልኮ ኣውዲቁ ዝሰዓረ ጀግና እዩ ዘድልየና ዘሎ :: ሓያት ኸኣ እዚ ስፍራ ክትበጽሕዮ ብዙሕ ኣይተርፈክን እዩ እሞ – ሃየ !!!

  • Gud

    Kokeb,

    Chill. You are going all over, like a crazy person. I said what I observed/saw. Apparently you are a static/permanent “tifozzo” meaning you are blind to any wrong thing that might be said by those you admire, blindly. And you need to refrain from saying who fought for who/what. Because there is no way you can tell who you are talking to. Besides, there are Eritreans who went all the way to the finish line in the struggle for independence, so think before you propagate the tiny contribution you might have. You know there are ELFites who went back to Eritrea and fought till independence, but some of you decided to quit in 1981. So be humble. Not every body think the way you think

    • Kokhob Selam

      Gud,
      you are talking nonsense everywhere – anyhow he has managed it with you and I will stop it. I will take rest reading your posts and do that to my posts. this is what I do with those whom I hate to talk. .

      • Gud

        Ato Kokeb,
        If you did finish it ,then good for you. And I would say: thanks for serving my Eritrea! Actually, it doesn’t matter whether you took the struggle to the finish line (1991) or circumstance forced you to quit in 1981, still the same answer: thanks for serving. But don’t you go about throwing it at people unnecessarily. So, chill.
        Not reading my post may be a good decision on your part. No objection here 🙂

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Gud,
          Yes, I will only read if I see it is important by looking the number of vote (at least 5) – I know you are not here to learn or teach so ….here we stop. –

          • Gud

            Dude,

            You are still reading/replying 🙂

            By the way I don’t believe, even for a second that you went all the way to the finish line. Of course you belong to those who spent their post 1981 time undoing what little contribution they did before kicked out in 1981. Look how Woyanie lover you turned out to be ! Bash EPLF/PFDJ kiss up to woyanie, and you are all set .

            Go back to your poems…

          • Kokhob Selam

            man,
            why don’t you stop barking ? why are you still using the same paint and reason which is true instead of facing the reality? and why your are not accepting the sanction so I will far from you – that is good for you and me. but hey, I beg you to read my poems always that has nothing to do with our differences.

          • Gud

            Dude,

            All you have to do is stop replying to my post.

            You said “…reason which is not true instead of facing the reality….” Which part of my comment is not true?

            – That you love woayanie and Ethiopia? That your hero is the dwarf ex Woyanie leader?

            – That you did not travel all the way to the finish line in the struggle for independence? That you quit a decade before that historic date of 1991?

            – That your heart was inflating with grudge and hate for EPLF, and you have been moaning since 1991, earlier in Starbucks now in websites?

            – Above all , Eritrea and Woyanie are at odds right now, and your affiliation lies with woyanie, is that not a fact?

            Poem, nice one:

            – እርይራይ እኽብካብ ደቂ ማሕበር ኣንድነት – ummm, “andnet” reflects to being one with Ethiopia. You are madly in love with Ethiopia and wish for Eritrea and Ethiopia to be one before you die. So, who is ማሕበር ኣንድነት now?

            ዕደ ድኣ ዕደ ህዝቢ ነየዕረፈት::? are you sure you want to say that? That implies you are happy that people did not get a break.
            May be you are angry now and you need a break.
            Do not reply 😉

          • Sara

            DEAR Gu d
            Where is the difference between ks and maekebay, I am appaled help us…. and they mean well of eritrea being Eritreans.
            Btw its eid already, Happy Eid aladha to all eritreans …..

          • Gud

            Sara,

            To tell you the truth, I am still scratching my head trying to make sense out of Maekebay’s post…..(I think he is from those Asmarino.com guys, and he is here by accident or something)

            As for KS, just pressed a few buttons here and there, and our guy spewed his vomit on us, showing his true self. But we already know him and a bunch of others (Semere A, Amanuel H, the other dudes like Hayat, Papi, Fnote something, etc. ) here who are taking refugee under the guise of “bashing PFDJ” . It is deep rooted sickness, hate, grudge and what not. Hidden from the surface and is very dangerous to our Eritrea. Add to that the other diaspora sicknesses, regionalism, religious fanaticism, acute waoyanie subordination. PFDJ or not, you don’t want to import such sickness to that blessed nation.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Gud,

            I have known Maekebay since the nineties in Dehai, he didn’t change one bit. Alaways a loyal soldier on Andenet.

          • Gud

            Happy Eid to you too Sara!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sara,
            Eid Mubarek, that is the best reply to you now.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear poor friend,
            you are asking questions and you want me to stop posting. if you want me to stop you should read and give the meaning you want and then go to hell boiling. the other choice you have is to beg me to give you what the poem is all about. chose , better advice is to stop replying.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All. I don’t what to think. I love what the governor of Tigray said about Molla Asgodom. I agree with the governor that Molla never to be trusted. I agree! Will expline.
    But I am also pissed off with governor of Tigray when he said Molla can live in Gonder, Gojjam or Addis. I don’t care if Molla lives in Gonder or Addis but how dare you to suggest a known KAHADI to the home Of the brave; Belay Zeleke’s land? I didn’t know anything about Belay till I mention about him and the forum cought on fire and I was forced to dig a little about this honorable man. And to me, it is insult for the people of Gojjam some one to mention Molla should live there.
    When King Hailesilase offered Belay for some kind of position in power structure; Belay Zeleke refused by saying ” I don’t need your worthless Shumet” my mother named me Belay.” How beautiful is that?

    • Abi

      General
      He has to go to Gojam because Gonder is reserved for PIA. All ethiopians will come home eventually.
      Mengedoch hulu wede Ethiopia yameralu.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Abi hahaha. You are funny. I guess PlA will be next to me. To be honest to be with you but from my observation Gonderians resemble Eritrean highlanders. Particularly the women. They like the big gold on their body. I mey be wrong but that is what I think anyway. So, when PIA settles in Gonder, he is home. Lol

        • Abi

          General
          I love it . You at Gojam, PIA at Gonder makes a whole lot sense.
          You will always be next to him.
          “Qirb leQirb new Gojamna Gonder
          Sichawetu wulo kemeshem lemader.”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            ኣንተ !! ዘመድ ኣዝማድ ቆጣጥረህ መሰብሰብህ ነው?

          • Amde

            Abi,

            Lol… I don’t know if Nitricc’s Amharic is enough for him to figure out the meaning… Perhaps he’d have second thoughts…?

            Min yiselihal?

          • Nitricc

            Hey Amde lol I couldn’t make a sense out of what Abi is implying.
            If it is sem n work then, I failed miserably.
            Gonder and Gojjam are close in proximity and they can hung out all day long and if too late of the night , they can stay over night on each other’s crip. Or houses.
            I don’t get it Amde?what is Abi saying? Okay I have no idea. Lol

          • Amde

            Nitricc,

            Yes, that is the Wax.

            But it ain’t a geography lesson. The staying overnight part is the implied gold. I know you love him and all … but…. hey to each his own

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Did you watch the Qomche Ambaw interview that I linked for you yesterday? All the mean jokes that you told based on him, he refutes some of them and told the right stories behind for the rest…But he said he will come after you for dragging his good name through mud.. :-). ( that part was edited out for its violent content.. 🙂 ) (Please watch it. He seems he is a lovely gentelman)…

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Abi,

        Your offer of a refuge place somewhere in your vast country for Isayas is more than appreciated. I’m affraid true Eritrean patriots wouldn’t even offer Isayas a graveplace inside Eritrea. He is perfectly executing your ambition of dismembering Eritrea by proxy, Otherwise the choice would be to offer him a funeral a la Bin Laden, in which case we would spread his ashes in the sea.

        • Abi

          Hi Abraham
          Anta gidef hasot atzareb
          Where did I say I offered PIA a refugee place? I offered him a refugee Palace. It shows my respect and appreciation for a job well done. He deserves a medal for a life long achievement and a statue at Abiyot square and Godana harinet.
          We also need to erect a statue for Abraham Hanibal next to PIA. What do you think

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Abi,

            Actually the majority of Eritreans do not see any difference between your bloody HS-and Dergue regimes and the Isayas regime; may be worse in some cases. For us, it doesn’t make any sense even if you offer him the Tana lake. As to your statue for Hannibal; I think you’ve already erected one for his great grandson, so why not for him also?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc,
      when all your posts were collected they lead me from where you are. I think you are from Gojam. but where from Gojam are you, from Bichena, Agew mder , Mota, Dangla, somewhere in Debre-Marqos ? ፍሽኽ ኢልካ ኣንብቦ : ክንደሻዕ ኣሎ ጸወግወግ !

      • V.F.

        KS, if nitricc was from Gojam, he would undoubtedly have known Belay Zeleke.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear V.S.
          He knows him very well, in fact he might be his relative. watch at his posts all and you will find him from Gojam. he only pretend that he don’t know Belay.

      • Nitricc

        Hey KS please don’t be toothless as you are the original one. How could I be from Gojjam? You are not making sense. However; my knowledge of Gojjam could throw you off in thinking ” if he knows and likes Gojjam must be from Gojjam. Well, Abi knows and loves Eritrea, is he Eritrean? No he is proud Gomdere. He even compared PIA to Atse-Tedross. When Abi awarded Gonder to PIA; A bi was implying PIA=Atse Tedross. And that is priceless KS. Don’t you think? By the way FV is right. I never known who Belay was. I mentioned it becouse I heard a song by Neway Debebe and then there was very interesting discussion. So, I did it up and I know a few thins about the man. And when we say; the university of Awate, we mean it.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Nitricc,
          but really that is nice place. I knew the entire Gojam. it is good you didn’t see Gojam ladies you could have created PFDJ over there.

          • Nitricc

            Hey KS and why do you think l like Gojjam?
            For one there will be a day that the Ethiopoans will come to their senses and will sit down with us and they will ask a very important question. They will say, okay we want an access to the sea, and what can we do for you? Then I have Eritrea is very sure to give her response firm and decisive one. If you followe my dirift. But among the negotiations they must bribe me with one beautiful Gojjam woman. The the deal is final and binding.

    • Pass the salt

      Hey Nitricc,
      Speaking of Mola, why were they soliciting reception in Adama? Shouldn’t they be back in their villages in Tigray? I didn’t understand the connection between demhit and Adama. Did you?

    • saay7

      Selamat Nitricc:

      Belai Zelekes, one of the Patriots leaders who were harassing the fascist Italians after their occupation of Ethiopia, couldn’t fathom how a monarch would leave his country in time of war, specially since iPods were invented then. He turned down an offer to administer a wereda in Gojjam (far from Addis) and he chose to stay in Addis and not only badmouth the Elect of God but plotting (not sure if Arabs were involved but let’s assume they were, why not) to overthrow the king. He was hanged in public square. With Weyane I bombed to submission by British Royal Airforce, the Bekele Belais hanged in public square, all was peace and quiet in Abyssinia until that bandit Hamed Idris Awate Egypt areboch etc etc.

      saay

      • Sara

        Dear saay,
        Happy eid aladha to you and all the awate eritreans …. can I propose a day break at awate forum in view of eid festivities
        And awate being a socially responsible entity . It’s time for families and loved ones …..They will appreciate it.

        • saay7

          Ahlen Sara:

          Eid Mubarek! You mean to tell me that when you get together with family and friends you don’t discuss what Awate.com is discussing?

          Besides Eid Al Adha is a holiday for Muslims (or “followers of the Islamic faith” as PFDJ calls it) and to Christians (“followers of the Christianity faith..”) it’s just another day.

          saay

          • Sara

            Dear saay,
            Well, we do talk but I thought it would be good to focus on the eid festivities that’s all.
            As for the followers of this or that, I thought that is some were not in eritrea… correct me if I am wrong
            But there is difference between saying believers and followers…
            Happy eid again

      • Eyob Medhane

        Hi Sal,

        This is Eyob from Belay Zeleke Menged (until 1974 G.C Known as Mesfine-Harer Menged) in Addis Ababa… 🙂

        Now I love Belay Zeleke. I think he is a hero. However, I think you are exaggerating a bit. Belay Zeleke was a great warrior, but lets face it, he had a hard time of becoming a peace time leader. He was given the highest honor (Dejazmatch), which he declined. He was assigned a very important Awraja in Gojjam, which he declined, because I believe he had a hard time accepting a job that did not involve shooting at people.. 🙂 He persuaded his brother, who was a very mild and law abiding citizen to plot against a government (I didn’t say democratically elected government) And as governments like that always react, he was arrested, “tried” and asked to apologize… The dude refused… Well…then the rest is history. Decades after he was hanged, the public place that he was hanged is named after him, when the government that executed him was no more….The point of me telling this story is that you are exaggerating him, to the level of being an infallible person. I just wanted to correct the record that, while he was a hero and really deserves to be recognized as such, the dude seemed to be so difficult to get along with… 🙂 And I don’t think he plotted with Arabs, because it was said that the guy hated anyone with straight hair and too paled complexion…so he would have shot them.. 🙂 His accomplice with his his brother Ejigu Zeleqe, who became a prisoner, until Derg came and freed him… and I know for sure that he was nit an Arab… 🙂

        • አዲስ

          Hi Eyob,

          What exactly did Saay exaggerated here? Btw your comment here follows well with your understanding of (giving the benefit of the doubt to) governments. You seem to indicate they did what they had to do. Governments( at least the undemocratic ones) love that kind of attitude from their citizens 🙂

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis, Abraham,

            Well, Sal made out BZ to sound like he is a great revolutionary and thinker that out of deep conscience he rebuked the emperor and declined what ever he was offered…and I disagree with that. He just didn’t like to live in a condition, where there will not be the sound of guns being fired….and no one was shooting at each other… .. 🙂

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            You said:

            “He just didn’t like to live in a condition, where there will not be the sound out a gun..and no one was shooting at each other… .. :-)”

            Should I take that as a joke since u have a smiley face at the end or would you say that statement can define Belay Zeleke somehow ? If it’s the later, how do you substantiate that ?

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            You should take it as a joke…But, I am not into hero worshiping…I admire people for what they do, but in our culture, we do it a bit over the top…Belay Zeleke, as a great man as he was he had a lot of flaws… He went to the bushes, before the fascists came, because he killed one of his relatives over some dispute, which was common in that area at the time. (Tiqur Dem).. Therefore, it is really not far fetched to think that the guy had a bit violent tendency…but I again, I don’t think that should define him and his heroic deed for five years should….I am just saying lets not gloss over every bit of his life with the heroic deeds that he did and let is not make him infalible…That is what I meant….

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,

            Very wise indeed, no one is flawless. Can we extend that courtesy to Eritrean heroes?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Here is the thing. Your heroes are not my heroes. Belay is my hero.. Zerai Deres is my hero (I don’t consider Zerai Deres an Eritrean, by the way. No Ethiopian does) Those who were fighting in Sahel 1961-1991 ain’t my heroes and I have a discription for them, which I prefer to omit as a curtesy and out of respect for you and Eritrean Awatistas. I however repeatedly said that I would give them credit to their contribution of the downfall of the Derg. That is where I stop..

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Eyob,

            If it were not for the Eritrean revolution, you would still be languishing under Mengie. Therefore, show some respect.

          • Amde

            Selam Abraham Hannibal,

            Lighten up dude.

            Has it ever occurred to you that if it wasn’t for the Eritrean war, Mengistu wouldn’t have found the excuse and the means to control the military and the people for such a long time? I have heard from a number of ex-military (officers) who told me that several decisive battles were possibly lost because he essentially did not want the war to end. In any case, your war was the reason he found to climb through the ranks, maintain a state of emergency in the country etc etc.. The Somali war was done quite quickly, and with peace, he would have most probably been done as well.

            In case you think that is far fetched, just remember that is the same exact scenario Isayyas is following. He actively wants the war to continue because it gives him the right excuse to do what he wants as long as he has morons to sing his praises.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde and Awate family,

            I wish I could comment to the many wonderful articles and discussions here at AT but due to time restraint I couldn’t do.

            Amde, I don’t think I agree that Mengistu come to the ranks because of the Eritrean war. When Haile Selassie was toppled, General Aman Amde established a committee in Eritrea from the government and civilians (including elders, religious leaders) to establish contact with the “Rebels” and ask them to negotiate a peace and ask them to come home. There is a new era and there is a new government and he wanted to end the conflict and establish peace.

            To this both ELF and EPLF agreed and send their representative to meet with those committee. These the Eritrean people took it to heart and the joined to the meditation in the thousands, when word come out. The next time there was a meeting in Adi Hawsha (just outside Asmara), the committee as well as a lot of people from the public went to attend the peace talks.

            Then the Ethiopian generals in Asmara send their message to the head of the Derg (General Aman Andom) and told him the Eritrean people have become rebels “Endalu Shefetu” so they wanted an order what to do.

            He flew the same hour from Addis and come to Asmara. Soon he convene a meeting in the Staduim to full capacity (I would say at least 10,000) and gave a speech. At the end of his speech he signed by saying:

            Ethiopia Tikdem
            Eritrea Tikdem

            And with that he established curfew (6:00 PM) so to cut the movements, people joining ELF / EPLF.

            The Derg leadership interpreted this as he become soft to the rebels and he wanted to sell Ethiopia etc..When he was killed, the whole notion of peace process in Eritrea got buried with him and the hard liners took over.

            If you heard the interview of Saleh Sabbe with AP, he was referring to that event when General Aman was killed by Mengistu and company.

            The Derg in return arrested all those people involved in the peace talks including the elders, and some even tortured. One of the person who was involved at that time, wrote a book about it after Eritrea indepenence, it’s in Tigrina. Titled “ZewaAle Yingerka – Debesu Abebe”.

            The one thing both ELF/ EPLF showed a clear maturity and discipline is to keep war with the government / military establishment. They never targeted civilians to revenge or to escalate the war or on the treatment of the POW.

          • Amde

            Selam Ato Berhe,

            Thank you for the input.

            To be fair, I could argue that you just made my point for me.

            From the point of view of the Derg, General Aman Andom was not really a member of the Derg, but they chose him (Mengistu takes personal credit) to be their public face, in a role they envisaged as being primarily honorary. So his actions were those of someone who did not have the authority to do anything of the sort of things he did. It sounds well intentioned, but it was done in a way that completely gave the upper hand to the hard liners, of whom Mengistu was one. From his point of view, he was serving exclusively in the East/Ogaden, battling Somali rebels in a conflict that was a carryover of the Somali invasion that made General Aman Andom famous. That conflict was a lot more black and white than the Eritrean one. So he would look dimly to any sort of political accommodation.

            It sounds to me that General Aman, rather than working on and through a Derg established Eritrea policy, decided to take unilateral political action (however well intentioned) beyond the mandate he had. The nature of how it was done then precipitated the series of crises where General Aman and the 60 officials were executed, Mengistu emerged the ruthless leader, and we stopped hearing “yale minin dem Ethiopia tiqdem” on the radio.

            I am not aware of anybody who has said General Aman explained his plans to the rest of the Derg and received some kind of agreement or approval. I suspect the long term result may not have been very different, but General Aman’s life and his role in history would have been longer. At least he was an insider with the authority to guide consideration of political (as opposed to completely military) approaches to resolving the conflict.

            Amde

          • Maekebay

            Hi Berhe Y.,

            You said, “They (ELF/EPLF) never targeted civilians to revenge or to escalate the war or on the treatment of the POW.”

            The ELF had spent 20 years in the Eritrean field fighting some minor and some major battles against the Ethiopian soldiers, and people would expect it to have captured thousands of Ethiopian soldiers. For example, the earliest and most famous prisoners of war (Raya Azebo) who were captured in the mid seventies were stationed in Western Seraye. Many of them died because of illness and starvation and the few resilient were murdered in cold blood when the ELF withdrew from the cities in 1978. Very similar and gruesome stories are also told by former ELF fighters how the ELF murdered so many Ethiopian prisoners in Western Eritrea (Barka) in the same time period.

            When the ELF left the Eritrean field in 1981 for good and entered the Sudan, it did not have a single prisoner of war with it. Now I have to advise you if you don’t know history, don’t try to create one out of nothing. The ELF was a criminal organization who terrorized highland Eritrea for 20 years…from robbing the cattle of Qohain and Dembelas to exterminating the Highland Christian youths through endless Giffa (recruiting by force). Many of the criminals who committed these heinous crimes are now living with us in North America, Europe, the Middle East and Australia.

            You are right on the EPLF side though. Its handling of Ethiopian POWs was exemplary. The EPLF was a ruthless killing machine to its own people, but its treatment of Ethiopian POWs was a model for the rest of the world to emulate. On the other hand, the ELF which was controlled by a notorious group of Baath members and Islamic extremists was known for its criminal notoriety of murdering Ethiopian POWs.

            Maekebay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abrham,

            You can’t demand respect. You earn it. Unfortunately, a kind of respect that you are demanding from me is not going to be offered to whoever you want me to offer it to….

          • አዲስ

            Abaham,

            The audacity and ignorance in this comment is just too much but not unexpected from some Northern neighbors.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Addis & co,

            As a matter of fact, my message was pretty much audacious, yes, I never expected a favorable response from people like you; I was just trying to highlight the importance of the Great Eritrean Revolution that played a key role in deposing the Mengistu-regime.

            Thanks

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Thank you for removing Mengistu and replacing him by President Isayas Afewerki, The undisputed Lion of Nakfa.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Abi,

            Because you are such an odd person that draws a satisfaction from the suffering of the Eritrean people, I just wish you good luck, enjoy it.((

          • V.F.

            Eyob, is Yhunie Belay related by any chance?

          • Eyob Medhane

            VF,

            Related to who? To me or to Belay Zeleke? If you ask to me, unfortunately no. I wish I was related to him. I have a tremendous respect for Yihune Belay. Not only as an artist, but as a very important community leader. To Belay Zeleke, well I don’t know, but I don’t think so. Most of Belay Zeleke family members now I think live in Addis and Yihune is straight outta Fnote Selam… 🙂

          • V.F.

            YB is a gifted artist indeed. I saw him a couple times in the USA. You’ve answered my Q nicely. I appreciate it.

          • saay7

            Addis and Abraham:

            Whenever you see Eyob and me arguing, assume it is a continuation of a debate from 3 years ago:)

            In this particular post, I didn’t think I said anything that needs correcting. Eyob is just trying to one-up me and say “I know my history better than you do.”

            Otherwise, he knows that my point (excluding the iPod ref to Nitrric who idolizes him and the Arab ref to Abi) was that belay zeleke just couldn’t relate to how a king could leave his country in a time of war. His point of references were prior kings of kings: Tedros, Yohannes, Minilik. No matter how many times he was told that there is new nation-state called Ethiopia and sometimes kings can serve their country better by leaving in a time of war and focusing on diplomatic war, it wouldn’t register in his head. He was a bit of a hot-head and rebellious. And he got hanged for it.

            That “how can you be outside the country when you are supposed to lead the war effort” is responsible for the political career of another man: Isaias Afwerki, who put that argument to good use against Qiada Al Amma

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Wow!!!

            That was amazing… My sombrero off to you, sir..

            I never thought of it like that…Are you saying..the modern actors, Isayas, Mola and Berhanu are men from late 18th and early nineteen century? Hummmmmm….something to think about,…. 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey Señor Eyob:

            So you dropped your barnetta and have a sombrero? Clearly, you have identity confusion. I blame Italians and Arabs.

            Well yeah. Another way of putting it is that Neamin Zeleke, who is NOT in Eritrea but in DC waging his “nHansabn nHawarun” struggle is a 21st century man. So, it’s pick your poison. Centuries don’t kill people; people do.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Ha Sal,

            Sombrero is just yeselen barmeta.. (By the way, it is BarMeta not barnetta tsk tsk tsk.. ) so I was just being fancy calling it in Spanish… 🙂

            About Neamin…he seems that he escaped out of the “dead cold hands” of Isayas… 🙂 Now he just has ESAT all for himself and, Isayas can leverage him for nothing…I think he placed himself very well to be a man of 21st century.. 🙂 Now he doesn’t need them. They need him..Every time, Isu or Berhanu have to say something through ESAT they have to beg Neamin…He is protected in DC…they can’t touch him…. I think he played them.. 😉

          • saay7

            Haha Eyobai:

            It’s from “my cold dead hands” not “my dead cold hands” Here’s Heston giving u the 5 words: only 8 seconds

            http://youtu.be/WTdO-w3xnpw

            Really, you call it Barmeta? As is “a bar came”? What’s wrong with you? We call it barneta. Or I have been saying it wrong for decades. Not impossible.

            On ESAT there is another alternative: an Asmara based correspondent. Your very own Thomas Mountain.

            Saay

          • beruk

            Selam Saay7:
            Actually you are right. It is “BarNeta — “n” like “nancy”; not Barmeta-) To paraphrase a witness from my Cousin Vinny “No self respecting Ye Mesfin Harer (not Mesfine and definitely not Belay Zeleke) konjo would be caught singing Aster’s “lakelegne barNeta, wedante endemeta:-)

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hi Beruk,

            Wellcome to Awate.

            Y’know, I try to not to say anything without being able to substantiate it..

            Below is the dictionary word for BarMeta.. look it up..

            https://books.google.com/books?id=H6tnix8o0mwC&pg=PA877&lpg=PA877&dq=barmeta+amharic&source=bl&ots=XznwjNn_Tk&sig=Zr9xS92rtCXaEP-9sQsWze1Gn8I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAmoVChMI_raN74CRyAIVwdceCh2fgwC5#v=onepage&q=barmeta%20amharic&f=false

            More over..it is መስፍነ-ሐረር.. as in የሐረር መስፍን as in ልዑል መኮንን ሃይለስላሴ መስፍነ ሐረር (የሐረር ዱክ) Fell free to look that up, too.. 😉

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Eyob,
            If you want to know the origin of a word which is not local in our region, search in the surrounding regions and enlarge the circle. You should go to Anglo Saxon references last. My understanding is that BarneTa is how it is called in Arabic….برنيطة and Arabic disctionary describes it as a head cover used by the Frenj (Frenj is for European and French comes from it)

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Eyob;

            From what yo’ve linked I could see “barneta” with “n” is a variant of “barmeta”, meaning that both mean exactly the same thing-hat.

          • saay7

            Hey Abe:

            If I were as stubborn as Eyob, I would provide an English-Tigrinya dictionary to show that it is BarNeta in Tigrinya. I would probably do this:

            http://memhr.org/dic/index.php?a=list&d=English%20-%20%E1%89%B5%E1%8C%8D%E1%88%AD%E1%8A%9B&p=7&w1=H

            But thankfully for all of us, I am not:)

            saay

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Saay,
            Sure, there may be local differences in the usage of words/dialects. Myself, I have always heard it to be pronounced as barNeta.

          • V.F.
          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay and Eyob,

            Carry of your 3 years long debate:)

            Thanks,
            Addis

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Eyob M,

          What I see here is there is no difference between what Saay wrote, and what you came up with, yet you’re criticizing him for exaggerating?

        • Amde

          Hi Eyob,

          What an astute observation! I think you are describing a “Rebel without a cause” personality – a psychological profile if you will. The world being what it is, a cause is soon found to attach the rebelliousness to.

          I talked to someone once who was classmates in boarding highschool with some of the later revolutionary era hotheads. He described them as as hotheaded and difficult against authority figures. (I think he was specifically talking about Haile Fida in Wingate High School – but I may be corrected by someone else). In any case, we are talking of strong rebellious personalities by nature, before an ideological framework and a cause could be found to support/justify (take your pick) the rebelliousness.

          In many of our communities they are identified as a local shifta. In the old days, the local authority would try to control them, but if it can’t they would be brought in from the cold and co-opted into the system. That is how Kassa Hailu leveraged himself into Emperor Tewodros II.

          I generally don’t think of these personalites as aberrations – just that every society has a certain percentage of them anyway. They are like knives – potentially useful, but quite dangerous and even fatal if they are misused or not controlled. A rebel and a rebellion now and then is good, too much is chaos. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of its population pool a community can sustain the rebellious personality before that proportion becomes toxic and destructive.

          I guess an additional question would be what the impact of social valuation of this personality type would have on a community. Nobody makes statues and memorials for peacemakers, but for the rebels. But if you think about it, society functions because of peacemakers. We are told Issayyas wants to keep extending the Ghedli for generations through Sawa – presumably because he believes the Ghedli represents the supreme values of Eritrean society and he wants to make everyone in its image. I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to think of it as a way to “make” these personalities, when in fact they are “born” at a certain percentage of the population. If service people are not fighting back (rebelling against their injustice) but fleeing, it just tells you this is another social experiment gone horribly wrong.

          Thank you that was interesting

          Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            You actually analized it perfectly..I also think we have a culture lionizing these individuals in a manner that goes way beyond the limit it should and I think that pampering also cause them to think way above what they are actually capable of…I don’t know you know about Ras Abebe Aregay. He was a symbol of the resistance against Italians. In fact, when the British asked HSI to justify his countrymen’s resstence, so they would help him to restore his country’s independence, it was Ras Abebe that he cited as an example and the British justified their backing of him….However, when Ras Abebe became a civilian governor, he was a nightmare to who ever he had to encounter. He used to shoot people point blank for not talking to him properly. Ironically, when Mengistu Neway was asked to justify why he decided to try to overthrow HSI, he cited Ras Abebe as an example, why the government should have been removed. He said that he was satisfied that he at least managed to kill people like Ras Abebe Aregay. The point is people like these, whether Abebe Aragay or Belay Zeleke lived for a long time making their own rule, they become very misfits, when they have to deal with the rule of the larger society.. And you of course aptly put it.. (y)

          • Amde

            Selam Eyob,

            Well I am glad you agreed haha.

            I did not know any of the stories about Ras Abebe Aregai, just that he was a Fascist era resistance hero. From your description, it is a classic case of why Revolutionaries are terrible at governance.

            A lucky people will get an abundance of the rebels during their time of need, and less rebels when times are good and all that is required is to keep things going steady. One hopes that with age the rebelliousness fades and gets replaced with wisdom, but Ras Abebe’s stories are unfortunate reminders that life doesn’t quite work that way.

            Many Thanks,
            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            You said :

            “it is a classic case of why Revolutionaries are terrible at governance.”

            In your opinion does that extend to the current leaders of the country or are they the exceptions ?

            Thanks,
            Addis

            p.s. Eyob can take a crack at the question too

          • Amde

            Selam Addis

            Endew isti be Eid mesqeleNa Tiyaqe tameTaleh 🙂

            To answer your question, yes and no. It is inarguable that much of the positive changes occurred after the 2005 election. And the phrases “current leaders” (in 2015) and “revolutionaries” abrew ayhedum (even if the word Revolutionary is in the EPRDF name). At this point, I see the EPRDF being more and more of a conservative force, with a lot to protect and sustain with the status quo. There has been so much change in leaders that there is a qualitative change. The proportion of government officials and bureaucrats are at this point a significantly different and younger crowd that joined post 1991, not the old fighters. The sort of people that rose up through the EPRDF during its bush years had to excel at a certain skill set (Mahmuday listed some of them – quick decisionmaking, ideological certitude, physical deprivation, ruthlessness, suspicion/paranoia etc…). The new EPRDF is filled by people that joined in peace time, and the type of people that rise within it are those that excel at bureaucratic climbing, having a nose for finding themselves with the right faction, technical competence, etc…

            So, at least from my point of view, it is an organization that is in no way the same as the EPRDF of 1991. Setting the issue of democracy and inclusiveness aside, it is doing governance better than at any time in the country’s recent history.

            It would be interesting to find out what EPRDF and specifically TPLF did with the set of “rebellious” people it had. As Eyob’s anecdote of Ras Abebe indicates, these personalities are not easily changed, and there is only so many government jobs to go around.

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            Happy Eid if you are celebrating it and for all Muslims here too.

            MesqleNa Tiyaqe is not a bad thing sometimes 🙂

            You said : “And the phrases “current leaders” (in 2015) and “revolutionaries” abrew ayhedum (even if the word Revolutionary is in the EPRDF name).”

            Considering the recent EPRDF assembly admitting that its “Metekakat” policy is not working and those who were pushed aside in the previous conference complaining about what happened to them and some of them returning back to leadership, do you think the current leadershiop is that much different ? which lead me back to my original question.

            From leadership side it’s like more of the same to me and many of their supporters and EPRDF itself admitted that.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Selam Addis

            Melkam Eid to you too..

            Are you comparing 1991 and 2015? That is what we are talking about – revolutionaries to bureaucrats.

            Compare that to Eritrea.

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            Let’s leave Eritrea out of the discussion for now. I don’t think it’s a normal scenario even with African standard.

            Isn’t the core leadership still the same more or less? It doesn’t necessarily have to be the year 1991.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Hi Addis,

            Well we are discussing the transition from Revolutionary to Governing.

            I think EPRDF is doing a decent job governing right now in 2015. It is not perfect (far from it). It is continuing in power gained through the barrel of a gun. It is possibly creating worse problems for the future in some of its ethnic policies and others etc…

            But it is governing well.

            I try to imagine the kind of issues that come to the Prime Minister’s desk. Feeding 100Million people. Keeping the peace. Finding educational and job opportunities for the 3million young people becoming young adults every year. Defending from Al-Shabab. Defending from Isayyas. Keep the Chinese happy. Keep the Americans happy. If the price of coffee goes down, is he going to cut from the teaching budget, defense budget, health budget or loan repayment budget etc…etc…. It is a constant juggling act.

            There may be slowing of the metekakat, and some might be back, but on balance, I’d say the government (ministers, vice ministers and down etc etc..) are post 1991 generation. That is my impression. Just think of Hailemariam Dessalegn and Girma Birru for example.

            That’s my two cents.

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Hi Amde,

            My view is it’s more of the same with the exception of result of natural consequences. Governing Ethiopia is not a walk in the park. Thanks for the good discussion.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Dear Amde,
            Indeed there is qualitative difference between 1991 and 2015. The early 1990s were the years we used to hear derogatory terms about the Ethiopian flag and Ethiopian history, the famous our way or the high way mantra, and unfortunately there were some individuals who had the audacity to
            say in broad daylight “Itiopia beafnchawa bitidefa gid yelenim”, and in general the country had no guardian.

            All these are past sins, and I believe that the government has absolved itself through its economic achievements and by making Ethiopia a strong nation of the region. I hope this will be followed by good governance and robust democracy.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            I knew that you would bit my head off for saying that…

            Well, I wish I would be able to show you my fight about those 200 people that have been killed in 2005 with so many people, who at the time used to be considered part of the government. I was infuriated…I was much younger then..and was driven emotionally…

            * I am not sure what evidence that you had Meles Zenawi personally ordered people to be shot. I wish you’re able to show me ANY evidence of that…

            * The protesters were led to confront an edgy police by the likes of Berhanu Nega, who now we know that wants the top job through a barrel of a gun. Whether it is serious or not, now he is in a bushes to make that dream of his to come true, isn’t he? He wanted those 200 hundred people to die for him so would be at Arat Kilo palace. So I am sue you wouldn’t absolve him from having their blood in his hands.

            * Why were the police edgy? Do you remember What Ato Bedru said? “Wede metubet enmelisachewalen”? Or the whisper campaign they have started “Tigre wede Meqele nibret wede Kebele”…or their final declaration that “Isolate the people of Tigray, don’t be associating with them…” and what that propagation ensued? I don’t think you remember that. Addis, people’s houses were burned. Tigreans were so frightened, when they heard few people were killed and injured, because a mob attacked them, because they were Tigreans. So, instead of Meles Zenawi’s direct order, which I don’t think anyone has any proof of, these situations that made the federal police very edgy that made them pull a trigger… But again, as you said, for each its own….I guess sometimes we prefer to be very selective about what we should be very angry about and who we should blame..and not give at least the benefit of the doubt…..

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            I am still young( at least I think I am 🙂 ) but not emotional.

            * If you believe the report of the independent commissions’ set up to investigate the issue, it squarely puts much of the blame on the security forces. Most of the people that died were shot in the head or chest. The prime minister came on tv and publicly announced that the security and military forces are under his direct command so the buck stops with him. Go figure if that’s evidence enough for you.

            * The whole kinjit play a part and in this whole scenario one can discuss on how much blame to put on them but if people were shot and killed on the head by snipers you blame the shooter more than the other parties involved. The shooter in this scenario is the government. I don’t know if that makes it even more sad but we are used to that kind of treatment in the horn aren’t we ?

            * What Ato Bedru did was terrible and those who tried to create tension between people including the government representatives who were talking about interahamwe. But I was in Addis I know what happened. Your characterization of it is a bit exaggerated. So I am not being selective, I see it clearly for what it is. Please find the commissions’ report and read it especially listen to the interview given by the head of the commission after he fled the country because of this issue(unless you somehow think he’s not credible).

            Heroes come in many shapes for a lot of people, I tried to show why he isn’t mine by pointing out what I thought is one of the most obvious crimes of the PM. I can mention a lot more but we can agree on to each his own and move on.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Dear Eyob Medhane,
            “He (BN) wanted those 200 hundred people to die for him so would be at Arat Kilo palace.” is a strong statement. On the same token one could say, “He (MZ) wanted the 200 to die to stay at Arat Kilo palace”. This is a sad story that cannot be explained or justified one way or the other, and it is better left to historians to give their verdict after extended research. Remember, MZ was morally, politically and one can even say legally responsible, because he was the head of the Ethiopian state.

            Yes, BN has his share of responsibility, because he acted in an opportunistic way by putting ordinary people in harm’s way, in a country that is not known for its democratic ways. I also say that he was responsible for the death of some members of the security force from gunshot. His
            opportunism is clearer today, when we see him standing shoulder to shoulder with the sworn enemy of Ethiopia.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Horizon,

            Then, I will be happy to accept your assessment…I stand down, sir… 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Well, if I were Amde, I would have said “some” revolutionaries, citing bat sh** crazies like Isayas Afeworki. There are some exceptions, though. Meles Zenawi, (my personal hero) has been a revolutionary and a statesman…That is really rare to find.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            “some” works for me too. Part of the reason why I don’t support the gun-totting revolutionaries or whatever they are called based in our Northern neighbor is that I find it to be same old same old.

            About your personal hero, well among other things, I personally held him responsible for those people who were shot to be killed during the 2005 chaos (all the capital’s security and military forces were under his direct command at the time) . It’s hard for me to consider anybody a hero when he order for his country me to be shot and killed with snipers. But to each their own .

            Thanks,
            Addis

  • V.F.

    Dear all,

    There’s something more worrying here than, frankly hayat and now papillon. HTG hasn’t been heard from, uncharacteristically, last two days or so. Just wanted to make a note of that. His fresh reports are what I look for everyday. He is the one and only indispensable person here.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear V.F.
      No question Hailat is one of the best awatistas, but everybody is important. I want to read everybody’s post. but I have learned from my experience all people are important yet, individuals only play their role. means every individual can die, stop working, or become absent for various reasons but life continuous. awate as site will continue even if the founder himself leave us..Lol. human has limited strength what maters is the continuation – the none stop service to man kind. my leader I mean the real leader Ahmed Nasser (RIP)has gone but I even became more stronger to be part of the peace lovers with new hope and new style which is dangerous to all anti peace forces.

      • V.F.

        Hi K.S. no question about it. That is what I told Hayat earlier. Life goes on, no matter what. I see this at work, with family, everywhere, a seemingly irreplaceable person leaves but the institution or entity and life do no not stop. In the case of HTG, I only said he is indispensable in the sense that he is the most unique person here in that he brings in lots of news items from everywhere. Let me tell you this – Hayat has rarely said anything that I didn’t know. Nobody does. Saay sometimes does with the groundbreaking research in the insides of PFDJ, specially the article he wrote about ‘two parallel economies…’ that was a bit of an eye opener. I don’t mean to discount anyone’s contribution but I have to say, again, HTG brings in lots of news items that you will not find in any media outlet.

        Let me ask you something K.S. Have you ever changed anyone’s mind? Like changing a regime supporter to oppose the regime? The best we could do is make the people hesitate a bit. It is a very slow process. We need to hang in here.

    • Nitricc

      Hey FV I hate to spoilt it for you but no one is indispensinble for this forum. I mean no one. I know you mean to kiss up to the people you have mentioned but I have an obligation to tell you what I have witnessed on this web site a long time ago.

      • V.F.

        Nitricc, I gotcha. To clarify though, I didn’t mean to say that the website will stop because of one ‘indispensable’ person. My point was that no one will replace his unique contribution. You are indespensable in your own way. Nobody can match Nitricc in the things you are good at.

        • Nitricc

          Hey VF ; I guess I misunderstood you. I am sorry my bad. Thanks for clarification.

    • haileTG

      Hey VF,

      worry not. I have a short deadline issue that came up out of nowhere so I have been balancing catching up with this great forum and the project at hand. Otherwise, I am keenly following what goes on here and will soon find a way to join the traffic. Here is a very latest song from the justice camp till I get back on air 🙂

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=115&v=NGtGmy6gr9I

      • V.F.

        Dehai ka aytehaba’e haile the great. Nice song indeed.

    • Pass the salt

      Hey V.F.,
      I agree with you about HaileTG. He is a great guy. We have few commenters that I consider exceptional: SAAY, HaileTG, Hayat and Mahmuday. So is Saleh Johar but he is at a different level, an entrepreneur. You can think of him as Roger Ailes or Ted Turner. But The mentioned can make a living out of commentary, you agree? In free and prosperous Eritrea, they could be professional columnists for big news papers. Or they could be top prefessors at a top University we will have.
      Now, I want Hayat back asap. Why? Because I enjoy her interaction specially with Mahmud so much that I consider it my fall episide lineups. I already pai for the season:) I either get my shows or I get my money back…haha..

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Papillon,
    how comes you also want to leave, instead I expect you to be the fist to oppose the idea of leaving the site.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear awate brothers and sisters,
    let us bring back things to normal. Let us not go emotional and say things to satisfy our egos.

  • Gud

    Hi all,

    Kim Hanna just vented his heart out telling us Eritrea never existed, doesn’t exist now and never will it exist in the future. Here, read it for yourself.

    http://awate.com/the-ethiopian-eritrean-intelligence-war/#comment-2267900176

    When you are done raising your eye brows and smiling in total amusement, please realize he got a couple of up votes. Guess who one of them is? That is right, that guy Amanuel Hidrat. Go ahead shave your eye brows now 🙂

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hi Gud,

      The very little respect I had for Ato Amanuel Hidrat is lost once and for all, he is irrelevant to the Eritrean cause as far as I’m concerned. It is a laughing matter really; he and his likes really want to rally Eritreans with such a bankrupt attitude?

      Thanks

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Abraham,
        I am sure you have seen the post of Amanuel few minutes back. hopefully you have got the answer.

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Selam Kokhob S.

          Yes, I’ve noticed the fire-extinguishing that is going on by Ato Amanuel H., and I prefer to retract my hard-worded comment.

          Thank you

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Abraham,
            some people should learn from your action.

    • V.F.

      Dear Gud, on behalf of Kim Hanna, I will correct you.

      I was one of the people who upvoted him, very proudly so because what he said is true.

      He said, “The Eritrea you (and others I mentioned) have in MIND and talk about constantly…”

      Note how he emphasized mind. This is a very qualified statement that he made shrewdly. He is not stupid and he anticipates this kind of attack so he chose his words carefully. Every piece of land and sea existed since ‘eternity’ (don’t talk to me about volcanic formation etc.). The land and sea that is currently known as Eritrea is just the same. It existed all along. But K.H. is saying that your Singapore (the Eritrea that you had in MIND) never existed and will never exist and I agree with him because unfortunately everything has to go through a check mark, which is Ethiopia and we are not quite ready yet to accept the fact that we we are at their mercy, again unfortunately. Is it right or even fair? No. Why? Because the world always takes sides unfairly. The sooner we realize this, the better we will play our cards and try to beat them at their own game. How many of us work with white people and act like them just to beat them on their own game? Nearly everyone of us.

      The other thing is Amanuel Hidrat upvoted him while K.H. actually took a little swipe on him saying this:

      “First a minor observation, you, saay, Amanuel Hidrat and other prominent Awatistas while meaning well are now a certifiable California philosophers complete with the fashion and the lingo.” Why did A.H. upvote him. Figure that out and get back to us.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hello Gud,
      Good words and statements never come out of your mouth. Anata Zebuq Zeywetso. What are you talking. You want me to shave my eye brows. Ala Gud. Mehret Yewredelka. After all you are here for bad mouthing. You are known by that “TselaEna Bitserfi Yfelet”.

      • Gud

        Ato Amanuel,

        I am sure you don’t realize how funny this is “What are you talking. You want me to shave my eye brows” I mean “kae kae” funny. I guess old age is catching up on you and killing your sense of humor or something, but strangely your hate for Eritrea is still intact. That is manifested by your continuous portrayal of Eritrea as a lost cause or a hopeless thing.

        Kim said what he said, you up voted his post. It is what it is. Don’t you go blaming me now.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Gud,

          I know what makes you to jump on me. The “up vote.” I really don’t know how it happened. It makes me laugh when I saw it. You see brother when I comment from work, I don’t even edit my comments, most of the time I try to go through them when I come home, let alone to notice the votes. I just saw it now when I come back home from work, to give my reflection on Hayat and kim’s comment. I think you saw me defending our ghedli not only on comment section but also wrote several articles responding to those who denigrate our history. I am on record on it, don’t worry about that. But also you are right, I am at the entry of my old age. You could attribute to it if you want. That is reality.

          Second you are right, I don’t have a sense of humor. I am serious person talking on serious issues. That is who I am. I don’t like people who make intermittent humors when we are debating on serious issues.

          Regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Gud

            Ato Amanuel,

            Fair enough. Cool (On this one :))

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Gud,

          “…your hate for Eritrea is still intact.”
          You can accuse Mr. Amanuel about multitude of sins, but not on this one.

          • Gud

            Hey Fanti,

            My assessment comes from reading him for a long time. “Hate for Eritrea” on its own may not be right or may not be the logical conclusion to the “manifested by your continuous portrayal of Eritrea as a lost cause or a hopeless thing” part. Sill I would like to retain my reservation
            until I see something new/different, if you don’t mind :). Of course, I would love to be wrong here, he
            is my Eritrean blood and all, you know? 🙂 His deep and scary unjustified love for woyanie is also a something of a concern 🙂

            But it would not be me if I did not give him credit for what he deserved. “Give credit when credit is due, but jack squat when one doesn’t disserve it”, as my “PFDJista guide book, chapter 1” describes it : )

            He is so invested on Eritrea’s social groups and he seems to take it to heart. I admire that in him. I don’t agree with the solution he proposes nor with his assessment of current conditions inside Eritrea (He is not alone on this and I think it comes from being away/detached for so long and the only reference being from the diaspora only, which is full of issues you don’t see inside). There are some other thigs he holds as a principle too. But, may be some other time.

            Cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Gud,

            Yes indeed we are of the same blood with different set of mind. That is why we are at the opposite end of the political spectrum. Of course at our own choice and history will give its verdict on it. Let us agree on this and move on arguing our positions respectfully and amicably.

            You are also right that I am totally Invested on the Social and Political justice of our social groups. If you are against my argument What is your alternative ? without waiting from the alter at Massawa. I wanted you to debate freely on the issue.

            Regards

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Gud,
          For God sake I don’t hate my country. I hate PFDJ – Know me by that. It will be a true characterization. By the way I don’t hate you, I hate the system run by PFDJ.
          regards,

          • Gud

            Hey back at ya!

            I don’t hate Eritrea, I only hate PFDJ. What I mean by that is I don’t hate PFDJ but I hate the system of PFDJ*. Nice !

            With your long time absence (since 1981) and detachment from Eritrea, you can’t possibly hate PFDJ, because you don’t know PFDJ. Sure, you hate EPLF (that grudge of 1981 is of course your drive, what else?) . Of course EPLF. And PFDJ is the same. But still for you, it can only be EPLF. Just like Woyanie who is sticking with “Shawuya” you are with EPLF

            PFDJ this PFDJ that is just the fashion now and you pathetic bunch of 1981 are are just going with the flow 🙂

            * I guess your “I don’t hate you, I only hate the system run by PFDJ” is to mean, I am PFDJ, right? Being PFDJ is an honor which has to be earned. And I haven’t earned that. Not yet 🙂 . But I will tell you this, I am part of all those country loving fine Eritreans, millions of us, that you fools have to pass before you even think of coming close to PFDJ. Always remember that,

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear All Awatista,
    I’m so disappointed when the debate shifts and degenerates to non-mattering issues. Much more disappointed when men in the caliber of Saay resort to such silly issues and go on linguistic profiling people whenever the debates assumes some higher quality. There have been a number of times when I got tempted to disclose myself. Then I hated to do it because some people were pressuring me and so incessant on lying and wrongly labeling about my identity. I’m the only one who can tell them about that too, but every time the debate gets tough, this is what they do, diverting to non-issues.
    I have a good news, Saay. I’ll declare few things about myself and my views(call it hayat’s manifesto) and I’ll leave your website for good. Did you I hear you saying “good riddance”?. Say it loudly. You won! All my time was devoted here because I thought it was worth it and I enjoy so many good thinkers and beautiful writers here. My views are all directed at helping Eritrea first, the rest of the region, next. My views are centered at helping the people. I give zero value for national egos and land-centered sovereignty, and ghedli legacy. I believe Eritrea is no that. I believe Eritrea is Eritreans. This is the only website I have been married to. I started it, I remain hooked regularly except when health trouble visited me for sometime.
    Saay and SGJ, you have created a wonderful forum and medium with Awate.com. There is no doubt about that. I’ve enjoyed it a lot, and it should continue that way. The only reason for throwing my towel is because I don’t know how long I should go on explaining, defending, falsifying… non-mattering issues. It is only a personal reason and it is even something I could have done it silently, vanishing into the thin air. Probably, that was the best way, but I wanted to share few last words this way.
    Like I said, and for the record: I’ll declare few things about myself and my key views which you all already know them by now and sign off.- 1) I’m Eritrean 2) I am a female with another name 3) I’m from a Muslim/christian parents (I withhold my own faith).
    4) I believe the federation was the best setting for both countries and the King made a big mistake and the sole responsible for dismantling it although he didn’t do it without Eritrean collaborators 5) I believe Eritrea would have fared better if it did struggle only to reinstate the integrity of the federation 6) I believe ghedli was a bad journey for unsatisfactory outcome, 7) Once the ghedli journey reached its highest point and considering all atrocities from the Ethiopian side, I believe independence became the only de facto reality, 8) I believe, given the right leadership and policy, Eritrea has a more than average fitting condition to become a viable and shining nation, 9) I believe the number one determining condition for Eritrea to be a lively and promising nation is creating a just and free system for all Eritreans (groups and individuals), 10) I believe the next most important matter for Eritrea to address is its relations with Ethiopia in the context of working for an exemplary neighborhood styled after USA-Canada, 11) I believe pfdj is the biggest curse to have happened to Eritrea, 12) the two most existential crimes pfdj did to Eritrea and Eritreans are expressed through the outcomes of eritrean exodus and the war pfdj triggered with ethiopia, 13) if the present trend continues, I fear 3 years or shorter form now, Eritrea might be abandoned by a demographically significant number of highlanders causing a visible demographic imbalance; might join the worst failed states, might experience civil war, 14) i believe the opposition can do things to avert the worst scenario but if only they act decisively and craft their mission from a diametrically opposite drawing board, totally de-pfdjitized fresh departure from that of pfdj. 15) I do genuinely believe Ethiopia’s narrowly defined military intervention to the extent of creating an enabling environment for the opposition might be necessary and helpful.
    Hayat,
    EXIT

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hayata,
      I didn’t complete reading as when I reach “I will for good” thing I thought of sending you a massage. Please, stop thinking to leave awate as this is the only window now that shows the light.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hayat, I completed it now. you can’t believe how much difficult it is for me to hear you will leave this site forever. you fit and you are badly needed now than ever. in first place you I know you are an Eritrean if notice as every time I reply or post under your post and write about Ethiopians I use to start with ” they” not “you”.

      you are not programmed by any political party’s politics and that was and is and will be (if you will continue) as all your views is free and uncontaminated. you are from Muslim and Christian so again you are not programmed by both to be against the other – which most of Eritreans are suffering by hearing from one side against the other. you are great challenger and you have searched and found your own way when comes to religion which again is heroism as every Muslim or Christian is afraid of the unknown which makes him fallow the symbols and make him terrorized as if God is criminal. I love you , Hayat please don’t leave us.

    • Amde

      Dear Hayat,

      Please don’t leave. The issue with internet forums is that it may not be evident just how much influence you are having. Most people are silent watchers and observers… that is where your impact is. Don’t measure your success against a few visible people. When people put their real identities out there, they are also staking a well entrenched position, which by its very nature is hard to change. Personally, I feel your stated positions are pretty much mainstream now among many Eritreans. You are winning, and doing so by huge margins.

      Plus, don’t leave us to Nitricc et al.. What did we do to deserve that 🙂

      We love you. Just take a sabbatical if you must a la Pappillon. Sometimes stepping away for a bit is good for the soul.

      Amde

      • Semere Andom

        Hayat:
        I also second Amde. Reconsider. come back invigorated. m,any of us including Mahmuday believe you are Eritrean and a female. Sometimes things do down the hill here with everyone.
        Your ideas that go against the crowd are appreciated by many

    • Estifanos

      Dear Hayat,

      I hate to see you exiting this forum for good. I have enjoyed reading your posts and concurred with most of them. I visit this site at least five times a day to look for your comments and that of few others.

      I understand you decision to leave and I admire your tenacity you stayed on course during under the constant barrage of attacks.

      ንበዓል saay and his flowers ግን ልቢ ግበሩ እምበር ካልእ ኣንታይ ይበሃል ኮይኑ።

    • Saleh Johar

      Dear Hayat,
      Let me say this: I am not commenting on your political view which are fine with me except your anti-Gedli position. But as a member of this forum, I consider you one of the best debaters, intelligent and articulate. Since the forum guidelines, as far as identity is concerned is honor based, any speculation remains just that, speculation and I do not think you should be pestered for that. I know many Eritreans who would make terrible cultural mistakes since for many reasons, maybe they grew up in different language envaironment? I know of many Tigrinya speakers who make similar mistakes which sound odd, but that is not a reason for persecution. To make it short, this is your home like everybody else and if you want to leave your home bacause of minor annoyance, in my book you will be a coward which I don’t believe you are.

      With respect, Saleh

    • Dear Hayat Adem,
      Never give up and never surrender, continue to do it in your own way, no matter what. Be sure, the majority of the Awate family wants you around. They do not want to miss your free spirit. Do not leave yourself. If there is anybody who does not want to put up with your opinion, let him close the door himself. If you feel character assassination, fight it. I know you can do it. Nevertheless, never use the same weapon.

    • V.F.

      Dear Hayat, as everyone else, I respect your decision but to be blunt, you do not have a good reason to leave the forum. When the going gets tough, that is when you should stand even more for what you believe in. Lately, I have been arguing extremely unpopular views and some of my comments have been deleted “for missed salutations…” but the only reason to leave this forum is if you are shown the door and nobody did that to you.

      The day you quit is when you can sign, Hayat, Mission Accomplished, EXIT. You have accomplished a lot but not your mission. More work needs to be done to help people ‘unlearn’ some views and you were doing just fine. Like someone said, I think Amde, you have a lot of readers who do not participate in the forum, and also by AT’s accounts, this is the most visited website out there in the Ethio/Eritrean circles. How many forumers are there? A few hundred, a couple thousand a year? I don’t know but tens of thousands of people read what we write here and specially what ‘you’ write here. Hayat Quit, doesn’t rhythm right. But ultimately, your decision. Life will go on. Sorry to say and you and what you fought for, for years, will be forgotten. That is the risk you put yourself in.

    • Asmerom

      Dear Hayat
      One of the main reasons I follow the great awate.come is to read your well articulated comments . I get a great deal of different views that shapes my thought and a great knowledge of course
      I have seen so many times some awatistas instead of confronting the issue they will try to change the focus to unrelated minor issues and hear they are now they won . It’s a great loss of you exiting our home Awate hope you will reconsider it cause I’m going to miss u a lot ..
      And for Saay7 congra be happy .
      Cheeres

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Hayat,
      You are the major reason I visit this website. With you exiting, this website descends into gutter. To be honest, I do not read any of the news or articles. The discussions are what draw me in, and I believe the same is true for many people. You are the light in the darkness, the pearl, the treasure in this forum. I will dearly miss you.

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Hayat,

      You cannot be serious!

      Those who commit an Ad hominem attack on others are those who are logic challenged. When they start losing an argument, their last resort is to divert attention from their failure. You must take an Ad hominem attack on you as a victory for yourself. Therefore, by quitting, you are rescuing the losers from defeat.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Hayat
      For the record:
      1. I never cared about your blood relationship to Eritrea. All I know is you have been spearheading the psychological pressures familiar with Ethiopian ambitions.
      2. You were excellent presence on this forum reflecting the views of Ethiopian politicians, sometimes even worse than them, defaming our just struggle, downplaying Ethiopian atrocities, attacking our identity, etc.
      3. You are a courageous person, I wish you disclosed the personal facts you mentioned much earlier. Although I different with you in many areas, my respect for your

      • Semere Andom

        Mahmuday:
        As if did no remind you about Girmayka, about Hishkib, Fernelo and Bidho, about your beloved Tigrayit.
        As if I did not remind you about HM and made you laugh, borningÉ or Are you talking about Semere Tesfay;-)

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hi Semere
          To the disappointment of some, I’m calling a democratic coup on SAAY7, for Hayat’s anger, could he even be blamed? Come on, hang on the coup thing until TBS does it’s findings.
          Yes, Semere, you are just boring compared to Gual Adem. Where are the swords?

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Mahmud Saleh,
        .
        Well, Mahmud, where is the victory dance. At the very least say good riddance, don’t tap dance around, you are not good at it.
        Truth has left, so rejoice your self created warm dungeon. Let me tell you one truth. It is a sad truth. First a minor observation, you, saay, Amanuel Hidrat and other prominent Awatistas while meaning well are now a certifiable California philosophers complete with the fashion and the lingo.
        .
        Now the sad truth:
        .
        The Eritrea you (and others I mentioned) have in MIND and talk about constantly, never existed in history, obviously does not exist now, and may I point it out to you as an Awtista graduate will never exist. Those who point it out to you are quickly killed off. What a misery. Instead what we can count on the Philosophers for certain is they will always find others to blame.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Mahmud Saleh

          What’s up KH
          Tell you what, take it easy. And too late for your diagnosis about ERITREA, but keep aching. Eritrea will emerge to be the nation its people want it to be, NOT What It’s Enemies WISH It Shoulf be. Eritrea is going through rough times, thanks to its inept leaders and your eyeing government. But make no mistake, it will rise again. Because it has gathered enough experience, there is no reason under sun that it will get robbed again through dubious treaties and fake tears. It will never again go through another round of Ethiopian entanglement.
          Of course, you have dreamed and will keep dreaming every misery you watched in horror movies to be fall Eritrea. However, for us, it continues to be a reason to fight for.

        • Saleh Johar

          Mr. K.H.
          Are you serious? Eritrea never existed, doesn’t exist, and will never exist? That is quite a statement. Being angry should never allow you to be that irrational. Take it easy, for your own sake,

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Saleh,
            Is that what you read from KH’s post?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abyssinia,
            Dammit! You beat me to it. I felt that many misunderstood KH, but I would imagine Memhir would catch it.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Only VF understood what Kim H wanted to say. I think people are in a bad mood because the QUEEN is on sabbatical.

        • Gud

          Kim,

          ” The Eritrea you (and others I mentioned) have in MIND and talk about constantly, never existed in history, obviously does not exist now, and may I point it out to you as an Awtista graduate will never exist.”
          Here you go! that is the real Ethiopian attitude (Wish) towards Eritrea.
          But, dude, you need to slap your self awake, because your are talking in your sleep 🙂 Your dream of a failed Eritrea running back to mama Ethiopia only happens in the movie inside your head.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Kim,

          You have said “The Eritrea you (and others I mentioned) have in MIND and talk about constantly, never existed in history, obviously does not exist now.” The Eritrea we fought for, the “Eritrean nation” is surely in our hand, recognized by the international community. That is an absolute truth. And of course the “democratic Eritrea nation” will prevail sooner than the current Ethiopian government that took you 7 to 8 decades of the feudal Haileslassie government and the derg government. Count my words. If you can’t learn from the tenacity of 30 years war and its objective (to expel the colonizer), soon you will learn from our second stage of our struggle. I am deadly sure about it.

          If you were here in this forum because of Hayat, then you were here only to listen from one person with no courtesy that hayat like many human being can have wrong judgments on certain issues. Or you hadn’t a courtesy that there might be more intelligent than her. I will take as true that Hayat is an Eritrean from her disclosure. Then keep in mind that Hayat is our own asset and we will be always proud of her, whether she mad an exit or stay in this forum. Second I believe Hayat will not make an exit for good. An Eritrean mind like her can not be indifferent to his/her people’s predicament. She will contribute to the effort of removing the current regime in other shape or form.

          Therefore, Kim don’t underestimate our tenacity. We are people who never give up no matter the different of views we hold at this time. But your statements can tell us something in the mind of some Ethiopians. We will fight that sentiment to the end. What makes me to wonder you don’t have learned even from Hayat the lady you admire.

          regrards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            I was disappointed with KM words. I didn’t expect it. I was waiting to see you post. really you are always the same since ever even during our difficult gedli days. thank you.

            Dear KM I still hope you will pull those statements. you must have written while you are some what emotional or while you are not in mode.

    • Abi

      Hayat
      I don’t even know what to say. It is as bad as merdo.
      You are a national / regional treasure.
      Thanks for all great comments.
      I love you.

    • Yohannes

      Dear Hayat,

      Thank you very much for the invaluable time you devoted here in spreading and sharing ideas worth reading. I only know you from your words in the forum and I got the feel that you have a wide, deep and a healthy outlook. I respect your decision to spend your virtue on where you think is worth having it.

      If the way the debate goes here is not conducive for how you want to share your ideas, I hope you will make articles of it and share it to your people (that way you don’t have to indulge in debates of non-mattering issues, like you said). Because, a person with your kind of outlook is badly needed in our political thought-schools.

      Can you also leave your contact email so that we don’t lose you completely?

      Take care.

    • Amde

      Dear Hayat,

      If I can be of any help at all, please contact me at Amde@mail.com

      Don’t just drop off.

      Amde

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Hayat A.,

      መንገዲ ጻዕዳ ይግበረልኪ.

      Personally, I will not miss your constant barrage of Woyane-lobbying, and the endless crocodile tears shed in the name of Eritreans. However, I’m sure you will show up as someone Ghebre-Tasedeq sooner or later.

      Wodehanki

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Princess,
      Beautiful to the end!

      Hayata, I envy your talent of examining issues thoroughly, your debating skills, your discipline, your sense of humor, and many more qualities to list. Thank you for the countless lessons you have taught me, and I am sure many others too.

      It will never be the same without you. I am stunned.

      Before I say goodbye though, may I beg you to stay?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P2a6aLDkkM

      • Zolam

        Dear Fanti,
        Should I thank you for you have beautifully put my thoughts as well.

        In my more than three years of everyday presence here at Awate, Hayat has been the torch of reason and logic for me and indeed a hope that one day the two countries might mend their past wounds. I literally miss her when she is not around for days. Thank you Hayatina. Please do reconsider your thoughts of leaving as you are among the few souls who made Awate what it has became.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      Let me start with this: Nations evolve with time and circumstances. They make unions like the “EU” or disintegrate in to multiple nations like the “old Yugoslavia” or old soviet. Nothing new in the process of nation formation. Eritrea nation is created by the circumstances that dictated us to launch the armed struggle, and we consolidate the Eritrean nation in our hand. This is history we should move on. We don’t know what new circumstances will evolve in the far future (not in the near future) and the coming generation will deal with it responding to the new dynamics. I hope they will be matured generations ( includes all the peoples of the horn) who believe on co-existence and common interest, than the bloody wars our current generation in the horn are passing through. I think we can agree on that. You don’t try to bring new reality when the “objective realities” are not there. I wish the countries in the horn to form a union of the EU types. This is a dream I couldn’t see it my life. So I am happy with what have if we let peace to reign, and slowly doing the pre-requisites such as peace, normalization among nations, and cooperation with time and space that create the atmosphere for it. Therefore when we debate we have to know what the current time and space allows us to do.

      My take on you: your good intention for the Eritrean people is on record, at least on my side so to speak. But we differ on the arrangement of peace and arrangements of cooperation. When we debate not on desire but on feasibilities. We need to make feasibility studies. Let us say for example can we talk about economic cooperation when there is no peace, stability, and normalization. No absolutely not. Imagine what we are debating sometimes on issues that has not fertile ground for it. Second the things always make me to clash with you, to deny the reality the success of our ghedli (irrespective all the negatives that happen in its journey). It attained the formation of a nation state (irrespective the nature of government we have). The formation of “nation state” and “system of governments” are two different issues. The “Eritrean-nation-state” is formed on the space created and consolidated by ghedli. The current struggle is on the “nature of government” we want to create as oppose to the government of the current regime in Asmara. We need to have clear understanding on the goals of the two struggles.

      On your debate skills and styles: You are phenomenal debater well armed with the needed knowledge to win on your views. You always make persuasive argument some with factual materials and some with styles. Surely you excel everyone of us. There are many who admire to your talent and your debate styles outside of this forum. That means you have a broad readers that are hungry on what you offer in this form and outside this forum. You are indebted to satisfy their demands once you make them to follow you. There is no exit from that unsigned contract of responsibility.

      On Passion and deceny: you are passionate on the message you intend to convey actually at time you have uncompromising stands. Of course you should be principled, but also when we are on solution seeking, there is always give and take. We are not debating for the sake of debating, we have to come to a point of confluence where pragmatic actions could follow. Your respect to the forum and the forumers, either to those who encounter into a debate with you or not, is magnificent. Actually you are emotion-proof and you don’t be annoyed by derisive comments.

      So in conclusion I will reiterate SGJ’s comment ” this is your home like everybody else” and you could not leave your readers and your country at this critical time. If you don’t prefer as commentator I would suggest to be a columnist focusing on geopolitics and economics which is your forte by the way, and I am sure AT will be glad to give their invitation.

      Regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Hayat Adem

    Guad,
    Did you want to tell me something? What do you want me to hear from you?

    • Gud

      Guad, Hayat:

      ” Rebi Yisetirena:”, “Seada”, “Meriem”….Is it just me or this individual is trying to wear different makeup ? 🙂 New vocabulary ?”
      Is actually kind of a question to the public (Less the individual,that is ;)) checking if they are observing/noticing the pathetic cosmetic changes/pretentions that the “individual” is attempting. The question was not addressed to the individual. I am sure you can tell whether you are part of the public being questioned or the individual being addressed, can’t you?

      • saay7

        Selamat Gud:

        Well, I have never heard of “Rebi Yisetirena” before. I had already taken a mental note of it–second time where Hayat “just trying too hard and coming short”. The people she is impersonating, um, I paying paying tribute to, the Eritrean Jeberti, actually say “Rebi Yisterena”. I am sure it’s just a typo though.

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Saay,

          Isn’t it an asmarino language where it is common to communicate with mixed languages (Italian/Tigrigna, and Arabic/Tigrigna). Is this a big deal? The problem is, when we are at good mood to each other we let it go and when we are at difference we resort into nit-picking. Do you know brother that I have come to a conclusion that we can’t progress into decent debate that we can learn from each other in such a virtual world and mostly dictated by pen-names. When people to separate their identity form the view they hold that is the end of the game. Let me give you an example, that is in the early 90s, right after our independence and the time the despot declared that there is no Hashewye wudubat. Issayas told us to leave our view and join our body to their cause, whatever that cause was which later we knew it. Many friends and family members told to heed his call and go visit my parents and relatives. I decline by saying that there is no Amanuel without his “view” and the integrity of his mental prowse and his body”. I am here without divorcing that integrity. In conclusion, my point is there is no respect and decent debate with pen-names. And even if we they try to be so, it doesn’t take time to go out of bound.

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            I know your long-standing views about pen-names and I respect it. But we have respectfully disagreed: that people can have valid reasons for using pen-names, not the least of which being that when anything is google-able, people who are very privacy-conscious don’t want to do it. In fact, Hayat once told us those who use their real names are doing it because they seek fame and renown, so I say pick that argument with her.

            Now, the compromise we have reached, reflected in awate’s posting guidelines is this:

            25.3 Don’t portray a misleading identity of yourself: gender, faith, nationality. Avoid anything that is considered a dishonest and deceitful representation of your real identity.

            Of course, there is no way to prove or disprove this. Unless people try a little too hard and make it super easy to get busted. The first case with Hayat was “Aqbiche.” Now we have “rebi yisetirena.” The rest you can get from what kids learn in elementary school “context clues.” Here’s a context clue: when the only time somebody says anything respectful about Sahel is to point out that TPLF fighters also bled there.

            Never mind asmarino, here’s another Eritrean culture. In Eritrea, women wear “Qemish ny wshti”. And women use a code with one another when they want to tell other women that the Qemish that is supposed to be invisible is visible. So, sometimes I just tell Hayat, “your Weyane is showing.” I think that is very considerate of me, don’t you?

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:

            ማይ ጻባ ዶ ማይ ጫባ?
            ክልቲኡ መኡዝ ንሰውነት የጥንክሮ

            ጽጉራይ ዶ ጮግረይ
            እንታይ መለሳ አለዎ
            እቲ ሓዳ ሰይቡ
            እቲ ሓድ ድማ ሸይቡ

            ጻሓይ ዶ ጨሓይ?
            ክልቲ ኣን ሓዊ
            ክልቲእን ቢታሚን ዲ

            እንበሳ ዶ አምበሳ?
            ክልቲኦም ይርክቡ አብ ኦርትራ

            ንፈግታ ዶ ንፍሽኽታ?
            ክልቲ ኣን ምልክት ባህታ

            ምስታር ረቢ ይስተርና
            ግን ድማ ረቢ ይሕፈዘና
            አብ ተራ ምዕልቲ
            አይፋል አብ ተራ መዓልቲ
            ይብዛሕ ሽሻይና
            አብ ዒድ ድማ ይብዛሕ ርዝቅና

            ሃየ! ካብ ኪለን መን ኣላዋ ናይ እርትራ ዜግርነት

            እቅቢጩ ዶ አቅቢጹ?
            ይሰውረና ካብ ቅብጽት

            Seriosly though I was expecting your to mention what Hayat said in summer 2012 in response to Romodan Karim, I noticed it and did not correct it, you noticed it but corrected it

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,

            So why don’t enforce it buddy. We are sick and tired being insulted by people behind the veils of pen-names. Just an example, see how Gud is addressing people when you don’t sing his song.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            What do you mean “so why don’t [you] enforce it buddy”? It is impossible to prove or disprove whether somebody is violating our posting guideline 25.3: it is based on the honor system. There is nothing to stop a Gondere from pretending to be a Keren boy; there is nothing to stop an Asmarino from pretending to be from Addis, if they write in English and avoid micro-references. As a matter of fact, and unfortunately, that is the norm in other discussion forums. And even when people are called on it, they can leave in a huff and come back using a brand spanking new (my zeyt-Ame) identity.

            I honestly don’t know if people understand that we take the reference to this forum as the cleanest pro-discussion, most diverse (relatively) site in Eritrea-Ethiopia cyberspace very seriously. This is done by enforcing our posting guidelines indiscriminately: whether we agree or disasgree with comment being posted; by insisting on people beginning their comments with salutation and by bouncing persistent abusers.

            saay

          • Gud

            Ato Amanuel,

            You just mentioned my name, so here it is. I am sure you are referring to the “Guad” I used addressing Hayat. And I am sure you did not see
            http://awate.com/the-ethiopian-eritrean-intelligence-war/#comment-2267074893
            When Guad was mentioned. And I am sure you were on a break from doing your “Keshi” duty to realize there is a history behind that. It all started by this individual itself. Reverse it and you will get: “Gud Guad” and it was in a sentence which goes like this : “Gud, Gud Guad dea ito”
            So, cut the c***

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Gud,

            I assume you are haw anyway. You see Gud, unlike you, Hayat is the most decent person with brilliant mind that makes you to elevate the scope of knowledge of her adversaries and supporters alike. She is the test of knowledge in this forum. Frankly, except on history (that includes ghedli) I share her ideas completely. she is not derisive like you. She is the top asset of this forum. I have no doubt and in your deep heart that you have learned plenty things. Actually, not only in her debate skills that excels us but also on the veracity of her knowledge. I envy her tenacity. God bless her. Anyway I will reflect my view on her last comment later this evening.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Gud

            You don’t want to go down that road with me, Ato Amanuel (Aboi Keshi* )

            Trust me, you don’t want to know what I think about you or where I place you in Eritrean measuring scale. Remember I have been in this forum for as long as you were, if not more. Using yourself as a reference to praise that individual has zero value. So, quit dancing & go back to your ” see how Gud is addressing people when you don’t sing his song” and the reply I gave you
            *People in this forum call you aboi keshi, (no me), I think to reflect the funny things you say, your silly rules, not knowing your limitation, giving out silly advises and for not applying what you preach. For me calling you Aboi Keshi would be an insult to any aboi Keshi. Knowing your crappy stand, view etc.to wards my Eritrea and your acute subordination to Mama Ethiopia, I wouldn’t not hesitate to spin you from here all the way to your woyanie nation, where your heart lies 🙂 So, you better keep your boundary here, feel me?

          • Gud

            Aboi Keshi Amanuel,
            Which pen name seems to be grinding your gears now, Hayat or Gud?

        • Gud

          Saay,

          Yea, let us just call it a typo 🙂

          You know what is going to happen next, don’t you? At some point down the road your
          “Rebi Yisterena” will be used by this individual, but again it would be in a wrong sentence or wrong context 🙂

          Of course you are also noticing Hayat’s blander on the mola thing, right? This one was hilarious for me : “I did not say Mola is my hero” then on another part/comment, ” right now Saay &
          Mahmood are not thinking right, otherwise mola is their hero”* or something to that effect

          I mean, this guad just rolls down the hill with arms folded (false pride, ignorance, underestimating Eritreans, or, just looking down on people, I don’t know). I kind of feel like shouting, we already saw you. C’mon stretch your hands, it might save you. Come out and talk straight. But
          then again, it could be like that by design or by profession.

          *No, guad Hayat, that is not a direct quote, don’t come running with your “I never said that, show me where I said that?” thing, in a feminine voice, that is 🙂

  • Amde

    Ato WecheGud,

    Thank you. That is right.

  • V.F.

    Dear all,

    Mohammed Barkay has an interesting article on Assenna. He answers who the enemy of the Eritrean people is, Weyane or IA. The answer is…you guessed it “both…they are two sides of the same coin.” Oh, and DeMHIT is equally guilty.

    Here is a quote from the article (but I recommend you read the whole article, short and sweet):

    “Isyas Afwerki is working as an intelligence officer for his home country and this cannot be clearer than today. One man should not elude us by playing on our weaknesses, let’s act now and save the remaining.

    Peace to our country!

    Wedi Barkay”

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear V.F,

      ” …. Behaviorally speaking, we Eritreans are more direct and aggressive in nature but the Tigreans are known as polite and with ill-intention.” is this how to describe people? ብስለት ዝጎደሎ ዘይውሕሉል ኣጀማምራ :

      again he try to blame “weyane” for our division. Shame, first of all blaming outsiders is the sign of death. it is just impossible and there is no logic to blame others for our division.

      again Demhit were there for their political agenda and when they found out it is not serving the went out. if you blame Demhit for all what he list, because they were with PFDJ then what all those who were with PFDJ and went out? Hey, at least Demhit is not an Eritrean what about those Eritreans still over there? that is nonsense.

      the last my friend V.F. is PFDJ..that is not to stage he talked. PFDJ is our result and there were a lot of crimes by almost all who were in high rank of EPLF. we need to be honest. in general we are not going to solve our problems if we keep analyzing in such way.

  • Abyssinia

    Hi Abi,
    May 2015, Vienna, Austria. I was there for a conference. One of those days, I popped into a small neighborhood bar. Soon I was chatting with the locals and one of them introduced me to the owner who was also drinking in the bar. After the usual introductions, he asks me where I was from and I told him to guess. He asked me if I speak Arabic and I replied no. Then he guessed I was an Ethiopian. Immediately he started to ask me about the Ethiopia-Eritrea situation. I got very curious and we continued the conversation. He lectured me about the Arabness of Eritrea, their language Arabic and how they are one family of the Arab world. I mentioned to him that at least half of them are Christians and that they speak other languages. He adamantly refused to accept. He said Eritrea is a muslim through and through and their language is Arabic, they are members of their Muslim-Arab world. He added that is why the supported and trained them to separate from the enemy of Islam and Arabs, Ethiopia. And guess what, he was an Iraqi.

    • Abi

      Hi Abyssinia
      I have been around this website for a little longer than you. I have read enough obituaries where the leaders of ELF were trained in Arab countries.
      That useless Iraqi is paying for his sins. I have no sympathy at all. We suffered for years because of them.
      I love your nick. It says a lot.

      • Semere Andom

        Abi and Abyssinia:
        Question for you guys;
        Let assume the Arabs screwed Ethiopia, just for fun, I am entertaining it
        So what was their goal, is it because Ethiopia is the epicenter of Christianity or is it because they consider Ethiopia non-Arabs.
        If it was the former, why would the Arabs invest in less than 1 Million Muslims in Eritrea, why did not they invest into the over 30 million Ethiopian Muslims as doing so is retarded and if they are that retarded as Abi once said then how come they were able to pull it off, that is screwing Ethiopia. There is something that does not make sense here

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Semere,
          Why the assume? That is exactly how Gadzafi explained his support of the Derg ?

        • Fnote Selam

          Good time to re-post this:-
          *****
          Hi Semere and Sal,

          Many Ethiopians will never give up on the argument that blames Arabs for independence of Eritrea, because it is so seductive for 3 reasons

          – it conveniently shovels the crimes committed by Ethiopia under Hailesilasie and Derg

          – it spares them the inconvenience of being described as (almost) colonialists (at least by some people).

          – they can ascribe the failure in their effort to hold on to Eritrea to external factors (and in the process diminish the extraordinary struggle and success of Eritreans to get their independence).

          Best,

          FS.

          *******

        • Abi

          Hi Sem
          Three things you need to remember
          1- when the arabs initiated your struggle the whole population of ethiopia was less than 30 million.
          2- you know the Egyptians evil intentions towards ethiopia. Don’t act like a stranger .
          3-the Egyptians chose eritrea to attack ethiopia because of two reasons
          a) they have tried it before by themselves. It did not work.
          b) Eritreans have proved themselves to be used by the Italians . Why not to be used by the Arabs again? What else is new?
          Sem, you love arabs. I HATE arabs . End of story.
          ” wusha bebelabet yichohal.” Very true.

        • Abyssinia

          Hi Semere,
          If you were not asking it for fun, you would not ask such a dumb question. Even lions know that they should not target the strongest of their preys. And in the bigger scheme of things, the islamic conquest of Eritrea is one step closer to the larger project of weakening and islamizing Ethiopia. It is only in Eritrea that things are measured in isolated terms, in few years, in few buildings, and in few roads. I do not think you do not know about this, but they have also been investing in Ethiopian muslims. Climb a small hill to see a bit beyond your nose.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abysseni
            So that country whose borders were carved by God himself, a country that carries the gene of the Solomon, a country that was ruled by a king who was appointed by God, was screwed by camel herding, Allah worshiping morons, even a monkey knows that is not possibly

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Semere,
            Have I said these things? Or in your world, all people whose views are different from yours have the same view you wrote here?

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Abi;
    You cannot unlearn all these, you have to see your shrink, they do not exist. you are hearing voices
    1. Struggle did not start by Arabs, unless you consider every person who follows Prophet Mohammed as an Arab
    2. It was not financed by Arabs unless you count every Eritrean who worked for an Arab or who studied in an Arab university an Arab and also you consider Ethiopian government at that time Arab because we financed the struggle buy raiding your banks for Birr
    3. Army also came by confiscating the arms from the Ethiopians in battles.
    4. Lots of countries provided military training but mostly Ethiopia was the provider because people like Affa and many others were in the Ethiopian military.
    5. There was no Arab ideological thinking that influenced the bulk of the Eritreans who started the struggle, WelWel was among them Eritreans were influenced the prevailing ideology of decolonization and communism and eradication of feudalism that many Ethiopians were also part of it, TPLF etc
    6. Do not unlearn this because
    7. No Ethiopia that defeated itlaians would not fooled by the Arabs, Ethiopia just had bad leaders in HS and in Mengistu and barked the wrong tree and it came to haunt it.
    9.Eritreans arenot used by Arabs they were used by Ethiopians like IA

    10. Kokobe is indeed kind but the tricked part is the voices.He knew what he was doig
    11. Abi is hurting for other reasons

    You need to learn, internalize and repeat after me that without the Ethiopian help the struggle would be stopped in its tracks.

    • Abi

      Sem Hawey
      Anta kemey ?
      Instead of unlearning I learned His Excellency Isayas Afewerki the Lion of Godana Harnet is Ethiopian.

      Isaias teqoTa hizbe gelel bel
      Siyagessa ende Anbessa siTeTa ende gimel !

      Sem , I think I need a sequence of midnight talks with the queen to unlearn.
      Yours made it worse.
      Thanks for trying.

  • Hayat Adem

    Oh Abi,
    You seem to have lost your composure. I’ll help you rediscover that later. But now, please, turn your computer/hand device off and take a walk.
    Hayat

  • Hayat Adem

    [Apologies moderator, I wanted to post this under the reply-reply-reply, but it way down and buried, so I’m posting it here at top.]

    Kubur PM Mahmud, Kibur Minister SaleH:
    True, Ethiopia and Eritrea have been through many rounds of conflicts unlike Sudan and Eritrea or Ethiopia and Sudan. But, we also should know conflict is a way of relating. That is to say conflict shows relationship and proximity, not the absence of it. The fact that Ethiopia and Eritrea have been and are at conflict shows a badly managed relationship not their noncontiguity. We can’t worry about a conflict with Alaska in the absence of zero-relationship. There are only three options with Ethiopia: cooperation, conflict or indifference. Three of them are mutually exclusive, that is to say you can only have one of them at a time and you can’t have a mixed bag. Indifference is impossible due what I call the interdependence curse which means we will need some other kind of conflict to sustain it. As Shevardnadze of Georgia once said, the opposite of love is indifference, not hate. Both are antonymy, albeit from opposite sides, towards indifference. Indifference is costly, unsustainable and a condition for conflict. Conflict, however justified and born of a desperate situation is never taken as a good option. Whether you like it or not, cooperation is the only way, and it is the best way.

    We’ll keep the healthy relations we have with Sudan and there is no trade off between having a good relations with both countries. Ethiopians, too, do have good relations with Sudan, Djibouti and Kenya. They don’t see it in terms of the kind of relationship they have with Eritrea. So, let’s promote the good relations we’ve with Sudan and elevate it as high as it can get. Let’s also bring the relationship with Ethiopia to its natural track and elevate it to its natural potential. We don’t have to downscale relations with Sudan in order to boost relations with Ethiopia, and vice versa.

    One of my favorite cool awatista here Kokhob Selam spoke into an empirical observation in his earlier feed for us to ponder. How many Sudanese have been interacting in, or visiting this website? None. How many Ethiopians? A lot. Why do you think that has been the case? If this website was Assenna or Asmarino, we would attribute it to a highlander-to-highlander kinship. But this is awate.com. That should be explainable. Ethiopia and Sudan are proximate and close, but the nature of closeness and proximity is different. We have to acknowledge this basic truth. I’m not saying one is special, the other is not. But, one is different than the other; as far as Eritrea is concerned Ethiopia is different from Sudan, it should be ; and it is explainable; and it is an advantage not a disadvantage; and there is no need for trade off because it can be nurtured and promoted at no opportunity cost with the other.

    I’m afraid the Zero-Sum mind is there very noticeable in you and in Kibur Minster Saleh and it is clearly showing in your recent posts to the curious observer. No matter how many bulleted presentations you do, it might not help much if you don’t weed it out of your system. Zero-Sum is a bad thinking. That is why you didn’t want it near you. That is one step in the ladder of throwing it away and I’m sure that will be the fate of it eventually. But as things stand today, that appears to be a work in progress.

    – You cheered Molla for leaving Eritrea but you didn’t want the Ethiopian intelligence to take credit for making that happen. That is because you thought that makes Ethiopia appear a gainer and Eritrea a loser. What do you call this?

    – You said if Molla did leave Eritrea, the Eritrean oppositions in Ethiopia must follow his example and leave Ethiopia in the same way because in your mind whatever happens in Eritrea (lose or gain) must happen in Ethiopia (lose or gain) ignoring the difference in the dynamics and nature of the two oppositions (in mission and approach). So, what do you call this?

    – Every time, Ethiopia is mentioned, there is some kind of urgency in your system that brings Sudan to the map. You might be subconsciously thinking, if we give something to Ethiopia, it might be taken from Sudan and vice versa. Otherwise, there is no need to bring Sudan in that argument. Your relationship with your two sisters has a different life, independently on each of their own; there is no need to mix. If someone challenges you to normalize your relations with your sister Fatuma, you cannot argue back by invoking the negative relationship you have with your sister SaAda. Keep both relationships healthy and to their best level. And it is no that the best thing Eritrea can do is either keeping both bad or keeping both good as if they are parts of parcels of a one whole.

    – And nowhere else is clearer as to me how your thoughts are suffering from the zero-sum thinking as is clearly shown in the following quote: “If Ethiopian elites are to look at Eritrea as a satellite, Eritrea will have to work hard to get out of that orbit, speed up its internal strength and strengthen its ties with other spheres in order to link up with a more stable and sustainable orbit, where the influences of all its partners are equalized. That would mean neutralizing Ethiopian threats and bullish attitudes.” You want Eritrea to mobilize its strength, include other partners to equal power of influence in order to naturalize Ethiopia? This is totally sick and absurd and it is a thought juiced up from the zero-sum and unhealthily competitive mind. There are countries that become competitive by unlocking their potential to the fullest. That is good has a positive effect for everyone around. There others who do it by harming and sabotaging others. That is competitiveness by subtraction, exactly the essence of zero-sum mindset.

    Mahmuday, please keep on unlearning and include the zero-sum mind as one of your items to be unlearned. You have made is thus far and keep on walking steadily gaining positive sophistication at every step as you were also reminded by Emma. Saay has different options and he doesn’t like an evolutionary progress. Every decade or two, he takes the biggest leap to a better world. You don’t have to worry about leaving him behind. He will make it to wherever you will be in a one stretch when the right time comes. You will read him writing about cooperation, business, trade, technology and arts, social and cultural integration, and about making the entire Horn borderless once and for all.

    Hayat

    • Amde

      Hi Hayat,

      I will just add that contrary to what many here might think, right now the preponderance of Ethiopian public opinion is towards indifference. One can even argue that is also the basic posture of the Ethiopian government. From what I can tell, the worst it is doing is reciprocating the actions of the Eritrean government, and I don’t even think its reciprocation is symmetric.

      Amde

      • Gud

        Made,
        There is this simple (I am kidding, a humongous elephant in front or your very eyes :)) fact that your Ethiopia is holding on to Eritrean soil for 13 years and counting, you know? that simple fact of the EEBC? is that indifference? How about holding sanctioning Eritrea as a policy and continuously working for its renewal, fabricating facts and what not? indifference my behind!

        • Amde

          Mr Gud,

          I have discussed the EEBC here before. It turns out it is a legal determination which both parties have found politically unacceptable to use as a basis for working through to resolve their issues. Isayyas is getting political mileage out of it not getting implemented for sure, so it’s not like PFDJ is not profiting from the status quo.

          If we set EEBC aside, what else you got?

          Amde

          • Gud

            Made,
            No, we are not setting EEBC aside. And however way you turn it, do your somersaults and what not, the fact still remains : Ethiopia is the one not abiding by the EEBC ruling. And that is a deal breaker.
            So, how about that indifference thing?

          • Amde

            Gud

            Ok, let me put it this way then.

            The Ethiopian government is indifferent whether EEBC is implemented now or in five years as long as it is not done while Isayyas is alive or in power.

            Nah…

            I was kidding. The Ethiopian government is going to unilaterally implement EEBC in 5… 4….3….2… Step right up, Get on the Badme express before it fills up.

            Amde

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Amde:
            I have this feeling that Ethiopia will implement EEBC the second Eritreans get their acts together and replace PFDJ/IA. They are doing it to humiliate IA. The Ethiopians s actually learn, remember the Carter-Iran saga, the Iranians waited until Regean was sworn in as a president to get back to Carter by releasing the hostages.
            Having said that our problems has nothing to do with Ethiopia refusing to implement EEBC, Ethiopia gave IA the rob to hang himself, PFDJ maybe profiting from the border issue, but it has exposed IA and his men their true colour and their anguished need to be loved as heroes by Eritreans will be as useless as the dust in the villages they are holding us hostages with when Ethiopia leaves these villages not only dusty as ever but with more dust when “PFDJ’s once “golden” legacy turns to dust

          • Gud

            Dear Amde
            Let me leave you with a well known Ethiopian at heart 🙂 (well, I would have say damaged at 13 but, never mind). Don’t worry I am leaving you with a suitable partner to dance away with your pfdj this Dia that 🙂 Just don’t mention the silly stuffs like standing up for Eritrea and its people 🙂

          • Amde

            Hi Semere,

            I somewhat agree with that. I am just not sure in the central sector which is densely populated. I fail to see how the TPLF specifically will agree to get a political black eye for something it cannot justifiably point to as an equivalent trade. As a cynical critic of EPRDF and TPLF, I feel there would have been a better chance of giving up non-Tigray land. That was what Meles’ proposal basically said.. he had no issue on the Afar strip and the Western plains. He just wanted to negotiate through the politically tricky Central sector part.

            I am sure Isayyas understands the political implications. But he made the crucial decision that he preferred to politically humiliate the TPLF, rather than closing this bad chapter and moving on. I can expect Isayyas to play the game, but I really find the people that parrot “final and binding” really despicable, especially in light of the human cost to Eritreans.

            You know what would be funny (not inconceivable) is if the two sides decide to let the border communities decide, and those on the Eritrean side decide for the most part that they would rather join an ascendant Ethiopia than stick to Eritrea. In that case Ethiopia has a good chance of actually coming through with a larger share of the land than actually proscribed by EEBC. It would also constitute a rerun of the referendum.

            Amde

          • Gud

            Amde
            The fact that your country is hanging on to Eritrean sovereign land so dearly like a tick to a cow, is a good manifestation you are highly invested on Eritrea. So the “indifference” thingy you forwarded to
            your pal Hayat earlier doesn’t make any sense at all.

            And hey, help me count the number of openly Ethiopians, hidden Ethiopians, right here in this forum alone (For good or for bad. Let us just say for good, promoting peace etc. etc..:) ), and see if your assertion makes any sense
            IA? Well, remember Issayas carried Woyanie all the way and placed their stinky self up there in Arat Kilo. Look how you paid him! May be there is a lesson to be learned here, no?

          • Amde

            Ah Mr. Gud,

            It is very easily testable that the articles on Awate.com that elicit the most comments are those that involve Ethiopia or Ethiopians. The Ethiopians here are not indifferent, myself included. I really have no rational reason to be here to be honest with you. I find myself I care about the people, oerhaps I still think of them as Ethiopians who are primarily victims of geography and the colonial era. But that is me.

            What I called indifferent are primarily the Ethiopian population in Ethiopia and the Ethiopian government.

            As to the land, please read my response to Semere Andom. It boils down to the people on the land. We are not in any position to hand them over to you so PFDJ can traffic them or sell their kidneys.

            Amde

          • V.F.

            Dear Amde,

            You see, Wey Gud did not ask you about the tens of thousands of people in Ethiopian refugee camps and scattered else where in the great country. But he and many ultra-nationals obsess about the barren land that is currently under Ethiopian control. They don’t realize that neither the Ethiopian government nor people see Eritreans as their enemies but as their close relatives. The land being occupied is not for Ethiopia to make any profit out of, it is simply to make IA chew up his pride and bring him down to earth or the subhuman level that he deserves to be in.

            Time and again in history, we have seen that once people leave their country during an upheaval or turmoil or excessive repression, they seldom go back. I bring this up to make one point. The people in Ethio camps will scatter around all over the world. Very few will go back even if things get normalized in Eritrea. If you give a choice to people like Wey Gud and the ultra-nationals between repatriating the people with great opportunities for the people to be independent economically once they return and giving the barren land being occupied, they will take the land without any hesitation and they will tell you, you can throw the people in the Rift Valley.

          • karim

            Badme belongs to ethiopia. My family hails from Badme /Shire. Your people started migrating to Badme during (Anbeta famine time) just because there were many Eritreans live there does not make it Eritrean. You know the truth.and you will never Badme. I have never met an Eritrean that claims to be from Badme. My forefathers ruled the area 🙂

          • Nitricc

            HEY Gud, you niled itttttttt! i am just mad i never looked at that way. it makes a perfect sense. thank you.
            ” The fact that your country is hanging on to Eritrean sovereign land so dearly like a tick to a cow, is a good manifestation you are highly invested on Eritrea. So the “indifference” thingy you forwarded to
            your pal Hayat earlier doesn’t make any sense at all”

          • Gud

            Hey buddy,

            There can not be other explanation. I mean this is not about Badme, it doesn’t have that much value to Ethiopia (enough to warrant breaking the law and creating hostile environment) nor is it about the “breaking up of villages ” excuse they present. It can’t be about the political implications to Ethiopians either. The other excuse they present is fear of Ethiopians may rise up against the Woyanie lost lives only to loose badme. Imagine, this is a government who Despises its people enough to claim, with out any shame, it won 100 %. Meaning the idea of people rising against woyanie just because it abide by law and hand over Badme it total nonsense.

            They are clinging on to Eritrea, chocking it in the off chance it would crumble and fall or Crowl back to mama Ethiopia (Look how it’s official agents like Hayat and the unofficial ones like Haile G are acting this days. They have testing the water, checking how broken we got, how close are we to sing Mama Ethiopia, please take us back) . The worst scenario they are thinking, just like Haileslasie and Derg, is to some how get Assab, one way or the other.

            So they keep on clinging on….

            And time and again, they never learn! They always underestimate Eritrea and its people

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Gud,

          You may permanently camp in front of the UN office in Geneva or New York and protest about the “Eritrean soil” being held. Then after get tired, you may write a book about it and get rich. There was this chap in the UK who camped in front of the Houses of Parliament for years protesting against the invasion of Iraq.

          Better still, why don’t you go and liberate this “Eritrean soil” yourself? If you succeed, we will appoint you to be president of Eritrea.

    • Guest

      Hayat, dude
      Just like your previous preposterous accusation that Eritreans hate Ethiopians just because they called on Ethiopia’s past and present wrongs, you are again falsely presenting as if Eritreans are resisting or working against a good relationship with Ethiopia. Eritreans want a healthy NEIGHBOURLY relationship with Ethiopia, based on mutual respect and benefit, bounded by all the legalities to sovereign nations should have. You are more into the no existing oneness between two different countries, actually you go beyond and promote Ethiopia’s superior-ness. You are not fooling anyone. You can’t possibly talk about peace and co operation or present yourself as peace loving while pointing your gun at our forehead.

      • Music Novice

        Greeting Guest,

        When you say “Eritreans”, does this include all Eritreans, such as the opposition, those living in Ethiopia and other countries, those in prison and those in bonded labour (also known as the indefinite National service)? Recall that the Eritrean youth are in bonded labour in order to repay their debt of being liberated by the EPLF.

        Last question: Guest, are you a spokesperson for the PFDJ government?

    • saay7

      Selamat Hayat:

      I DO like evolutionary progress and am very suspicious of revolutionary progress. Perhaps you didn’t read it but I expressed my preference for it here (Emma, please close your eyes)

      http://awate.com/why-democratic-coup-is-the-best-option-for-eritrea/

      Revolutionary progress demands an unacceptably high cost; and it opens the windows to…here’s the short version of the article:

      If there is a change in Sudan’s policy—including as a result of change in government—Eastern Sudan may become unstable. If Ethiopia feels that it’s optimum time to conduct a “once-and-for-all” military strike then it is war and there is no such thing as a “neat war.”

      Regardless of the scenario, whether from Ethiopia or Sudan, it means one thing: Eritreans are no longer in charge of Eritrea’s fate. It means more displacement, more war and more destruction. It means the beginning of a cycle of violence and revenge. It means an utterly failed state simply because Eritreans have already become experts at one thing: mass exile.

      It seems to me, that the strategy we in the opposition have now is a strategy of opposing and strategy of resistance. We are reacting and when one reacts, one does not control the agenda. Those who say that, “we are not going to speak to anybody in the PFDJ system” should remember that in whatever else scenario—whether it is coming from a well-armed, well-organized opposition army, whether it is coming from Ethiopia, whether it is coming from American drones, at the end of the day, if we are not talking to those who are “in the system”, those who will bring the change will. And this is in the best case scenario. In the worse case scenario, then there is “total victory”—with the entire EDF/PFDJ/Government system completely collapsing, creating a total vacuum that will be filled by whoever is victorious.

      Incidentally, yesterday, I heard part 1 of Ben (EthiopiaFirst) interview with PM Hailemariam Desalegn. It seems like he has still not received your RSVP, Hayat. The Ethiopian PM talks about under what conditions he would invade Ethiopia, and it is to eliminate a risk “once and for all.” Then, looking at the broken-to-pieces Eritrea–all he will care about then is that the threat to Ethiopia is gone–he will tell you, “you figure out what you want to do now, but we are here to help.”

      saay

      • አዲስ

        Hi Saay,

        About the “pre-order at the UN”, how do you think it was received by them (the UN)? Is there such thing as a “pre-order” historically?

        Thanks,
        Addis

        • saay7

          Hey Addis:

          I was being facetious. Now I have to pay for it and be serious. Thanks for nothing, Addis.

          If the Security Council holds a country (or its government) responsible for a “threat to peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression,” then it will authorize its punishment and/or look the other way (or slow-walk its process) as it is being punished.

          Between 2009 and 2011, the Government of Ethiopia–with great, great, great, great co-operation from the Government of Eritrea and the expert expediting of Susan Rice–was able to convince the Security Council that the Gov of Eritrea (basically, Isaias Afwerki) is indeed a threat to peace, breach of peace and responsible for acts of aggression.

          If you put time (2009 – 2011) on the x-axis and country (Somalia and Eritrea) on the y-axis, it is remarkable how the sanctions for Somalia have been lessening (exemptions on arms embargo, exemptions on cargo inspections, modification on asset freeze and travel ban) and the sanctions on Eritrea had been increasing (ban on diaspora tax, due diligence on mining sector revenues.) Moreover, Eritrea was no longer just a threat to peace of Somalia and Djibouti; now it was a threat to peace of “the region” and/or “the horn of Africa.”

          The Eritrean government spent the whole year of 2012 being in a state of shock, but since 2013, it has tried to slow the momentum of the sanctions with its diplomats at least trying to reverse it, instead of dismissing it as ineffective and “blessing in disguise” and other phrases that the frightened use to console themselves.

          So, do I think that Ethiopia has convinced the Security Council that Eritrea is such a threat to regional peace that anytime Ethiopia takes military measures the SC will understand? Has Ethiopia “pre-ordered” an invasion? I don’t think so. But do I think the SC will “slow-walk” a condemnation of Ethiopia and issue “we call on both parties to exercise maximum restraint” if Ethiopia invades? Will it allow it to give what the police in the US call “street justice” (that one extra knee strike to subdue the “perp”)? I think so. Can the government of Eritrea pre-empt this by taking very simple measures–solve the Djibouti case, do a 180 on Somalia? Yes. Will it? No.

          saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            Actually, Isn’t that what the PM effectively said? that’s what I didn’t understand. From UNSC’s procedural point of view, is there any historical precedent that a country will notify the SC that it will effectively depose another country’s government with all the justification (if attacked) considered? Slow walking after the fact like you mentioned, I understand but pre-ordering it is what I don’t get. I don’t understand how the conversation goes between the Ethiopian government and the UNSC. I feel like it might be intended for local consumption.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Oh, come on Addis:

            The “pre-order” was supposed to be a joke. I even said it’s like the Apple Genius Bar:)

            What the Prime Minister was saying was:

            1. If some trip-wire that Ethiopia has defined gets crossed, Ethiopia will go after the Isaias Afwerki regime in a final and binding way;
            2. Ethiopia has the military capability to do that*; and,
            3. His office has already told the Ethiopian federal parliament; and,
            4. Ethiopia has already told the international community that is what’s going to do.

            The inference was: we have military might + the political will + the diplomatic coverage. Of course Amharic is a second language to me and maybe Eyob can set me straight.

            saay

            * “as everybody knows”, added the PM helpfully.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            You are doing great…

            You just missed one… “….and when we do it, we will be received with flowers and candies, because Eritrea is in its last throes… ” 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            So, you are saying the PM is channeling Dick Cheney? I would be very worried if I were you.

            saay

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            It is fendisha not candies. They will sing Rhus Gama on godana harnet.
            Elelelel jeganu metsiyu….

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Eyob,
            Eritrea is in the last throes? Would you consider rephrasing it? If you think Eritrea is in the last throes, you are wrong. Maybe you equated the country with its trash bin!

          • አዲስ

            Haha Saay,

            I got your joke. My question was not on your joke actually. I was just trying to imagine how the conversation would go with the SC. Going after IA regime in a final and binding way is removing him and if Ethiopian government talked with SC about that, there must be some response from them. I just don’t think this discussion happened. There might be an understanding between the two without any official discussion or notification. But anyway, I hope it won’t come down to that.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            Phew:) what he said is that “we” have informed “them.” Them can be the diplomatic mission in Addis, it could be the African Union, IGAD, visiting dignitaries… An “we” is the entire brigade of Ethiopia’s considerable foreign ministry: ambassadors, consuls, FM…

            We will just have to wait for the next edition of wikileaks to learn all about it.

            saay

      • Fnote Selam

        Hi Saay,

        How about some strategy that incorporates elements from yours and Hayat’s proposal…..?

        I have sometimes wonder what if Wedi Ali and co sought for help from Eth in term of, for example, intelligence, some fire power or at least creating some sort of distraction ……?

        FS>

        • saay7

          Selamat FS:

          Tocca ferro! Touch iron, as the Italians say when they hear something they think is tempting fate. Tuf belo. Two simple reasons:

          1. My idea of victory and Hayat’s idea of victory are barely related. When the mole Molla said “ንጸላኢ እንዳጸራረግና ሓሊፍና” (“we passed on by clearing the enemy of our path”), I will venture that any Eritrean could relate that who Molla was referring to by ጸላኢ and what እንዳጸራረግና means to his mother, and his/her stomach turned. Not Hayat. Molla is her hero and he had to do what he had to do. Papillon, Hayat’s soul sister, remarked on Molla’s good looks. Thank God Selam is not here or this forum would have been flooded by her message as her head would have been lit on fire by their comments.

          2. Please refer to a morbid website called necrometrics.com: it lists the number of people that were killed by wars since the beginning of time. In Africa, the biggest death tolls were in Congo, followed by Biafra, then “Ethiopia’s civil war”, which includes the Eritrea-Ethiopia civil war. Up to 1.5 million people were estimated killed by wars, famine.

          It is the job of politicians to present war as just another extension of diplomacy (notice the laid back discussion of it by PM Hailemariam Desalegn.) Politicians don’t even call it war; they have all sorts of euphemisms for it. We the non-politicians should know that when some countries go to war, they go all out. Eritrea and Ethiopia fit that mold (even when Arabs aren’t involved (1998-2000.) So, I would listen to Mahmoud Saleh’s counsel on this, not scary Hayat’s.

          saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            Did I say Molla is my hero or you are saying it for me? I never said that. And both you and Mahmuday are saying this repeatedly. You guys wanted Demhit to be out, and here is the guy who did that. By that logic, the moment he did that risking his own life, he should be your hero. Or was he your hero when he was in Eritrea for 13 yrs? He was in for years, he is now out once and for all. You must be okay with one of his situations. Which one? What is itching here?
            Again, I never said anything about hero-in-molla or molla-in-hero except only asking St, Fanti if he thought Molla was a hero. It was a question to someone not a statement.
            But I want to say something now. As you may know there are two concepts of heroism. One is about extraordinary courage of acting decisively in a difficult situation. The other points to becoming an exemplary model of a shared value. The first type requires only recognition. Even an enemy can recognize and appreciate heroic acts of his opponents in that sense. But the 2nd type demands internalization. In this, you are seeing yourself in that model person as well represented in maximized value and purity.
            I guess, Molla could be recognized for the first type.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            You wrote,

            1. “By that logic, the moment he did that risking his own life, he should be your hero.”

            2. “Molla could be recognized for the first type.”

            Response:

            1. Well, you must be dreaming now. For Eritreans, Molla and his organization, and all other rebel groups who reside in Eritrea and helping PFDJ to stay in power and add crimes to our people are all guilty. Molla can not be our hero at all.
            2. Yes Molla not only could but is recognized as one who led an Ethiopian opposition group that resided in Eritrea for 13 years. And during his stay, Eritrea became an enemy to her own people but a friend of an imaginery enemy’s enemy.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Tes,
            Hold your horse. I didn’t say “hero for Eritreans”. I didn’t even include you. But this guy should be Saay’s or/and Mahmud’s hero the moment he left in a dramatic way. Or if that is not the case, he must have been their hero when he was in Eritrea. He has transformed his world in the opposite direction and he has to be approved and accepted by Saay or/and Mahmud for one of his worlds.

          • tes

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            My horse is well contained. Do not worry.

            You see, some are very happy and celebrating Molla’s exit from Eritrea and are making as a great loss to PFDJ investment. What all they are forgetting is that PFDJ has nothing to gain not loss. He is an already devastated organization by its own decisions. Molla’s abscond neither adds nor subtracts to PFDJ. However Ethiopia has benefitted a lot. Her benefit is that one of terrorist group which was creating havoc to Ethiopian peaceful development has changed its course and acknowledged Ethiopia’s development. above all, this terrorist group has now stopped terrorizing Ethiopians.

            For us untill all including PFDJ are totally wiped out, we have nothing to benefit.

            tes

    • V.F.

      Salutations Hayat (no this is not ‘salutations please’ from the moderator, I am just passing my greetings to you):

      Please see one of your paragraphs:

      “One of my favorite cool awatista here Kokhob Selam spoke into an empirical observation in his earlier feed for us to ponder. How many Sudanese have been interacting in, or visiting this website? None. How many Ethiopians? A lot. Why do you think that has been the case? If this website was Assenna or Asmarino, we would attribute it to a highlander-to-highlander kinship. But this is awate.com. That should be explainable. Ethiopia and Sudan are proximate and close, but the nature of closeness and proximity is different. We have to acknowledge this basic truth. I’m not saying one is special, the other is not. But, one is different than the other; as far as Eritrea is concerned Ethiopia is different from Sudan, it should be ; and it is explainable; and it is an advantage not a disadvantage; and there is no need for trade off because it can be nurtured and promoted at no opportunity cost with the other.”

      Have you visited the Arabic Eritrean websites? And why are you speaking on behalf of everybody? Lowlanders have the same nature of closeness and proximity to Sudan as in the highlanders with Ethiopia.

      Prepare to respond to this because you will hear it very soon.

      • Hayat Adem

        I salute you back, V. F.,
        Thanks for seeing it coming.
        Hayat

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam Hayat

      You are a fast moving target, I know that. I hoped you would unlearn that habit, but to no
      avail. I see you distorting…stretching….reversing….statements the Great MS has
      made. I really did want to let it go, because there is no new stuff except that
      you have reversed and twisted my statements. People who have read my comments
      can see how far you have gone to create or recreate stuff. You did not need to
      go that far. It is becoming clear you are exhibiting signs of dishonest.
      “Whether you like it or not, cooperation is the only way, and it is the best way.”
      Simply ludicrous. The Great MS is known
      for expressions of COOPERTION: IF not satisfied, follow me below.

      2. “We don’t have to downscale relations with Sudan in order to boost
      relations with Ethiopia, and vice versa.”
      Have I said this? Have I said we have to trade off either country’s relation?
      Get me quoted please. Frankly, as I see it, you have zero respect for truth.
      3. Unlearning Zero-smoe!? Do the quoted chunks you are about to read make sense to you? “Cooperation, regional integration, cooperative security…Ethiopia has the potential for
      lifting up the region from poverty…developed Ethiopia is good for us…we
      have seen what war could do let’s see what peace could deliver…settling the
      border peacefully, even negotiation and normalization….Both countries could do
      better by cooperation” They all came from me. How could a man who says
      these noble ideas be described as a knucklehead? Gual Adem, on paper, all is
      good; on theory, things are neutral; all you do is construct models and fill in
      fake data to satisfy your construct/model….but theorizing and imagining aloft the
      skies of desires is akin to peper-tigering. There are situations where this
      nonsense theorization does not work. And it is called national security,
      particularly when an issue of concern arises between adversarial forces. A gain
      of territory by one party is a loss to the other one; a gain of intelligence
      materials by one party is a loss to the other one…a win by one party is a
      defeat to the other. Why adversaries? Because they are beyond the realm of
      non-zero-sum games. My discussions regarding Mola fall within this supposition.
      I clearly said good riddance, but I also discussed my concern that he might
      have had national security related materials and information; I would want him
      to be held accountable for crimes he might have caused along with his handlers.
      I raised a concern that any prudent patriot would have. I did the best I could
      to add value to the hot discussion. I was simply reporting facts as they came
      to me. You are mad because I spoiled the party that you wanted to have and
      control with my Seber ziena. All the inputs I made was in the interest of the
      state of Eritrea, they have been collaborated by demHit themselves; and just
      give it a month, or so, they will even be more supported. They could also be
      inferred from the gaffs and gaps Mola was making in his interviews, from the
      way the government handled the situation…etc. To you, it is perfectly OK for
      Ethiopia to get better info in order to march north. You do remember the Bisha “raid”
      when you had to shoot your mouth with crazy and fake analysis; your wish that
      Ethiopia made it an all-out war…who is the one banking on zero-sum game? Tell
      you what, as it stands, our experience concerning engagements in which Ethiopia
      is the other party, tell us that the game is unlike any other. Many attempts of
      games in non-zero –sum (win-win) turned out to be ignored. Federal agreement,
      EEBC…Just to mention some. Who is ignoring the verdicts? What assurance do
      Eritreans have in the future?

      “You said if Molla did leave Eritrea, the Eritrean oppositions in Ethiopia must
      follow his example and leave Ethiopia in the same way because in your mind
      whatever happens in Eritrea (lose or gain) must happen in Ethiopia (lose or
      gain) ignoring the difference in the dynamics and nature of the two oppositions
      (in mission and approach). So, what do you call this?”

      WHITE LIE. TsaEda Hasot. Please show the forum where I said that. All I said
      and keep saying is this: Any movement that is dependent on a foreign host is
      inevitably doomed to fail. I said let demHit do the fight in their soil, I
      added: I hope the rest follows. What has this got to do with your assertions
      (quoted)?

      5. “Every time, Ethiopia is mentioned, there is some kind of urgency in
      your system that brings Sudan to the map. You might be subconsciously thinking,
      if we give something to Ethiopia, it might be taken from Sudan and vice
      versa.”

      Complete fabrication. Show the forum where I have displayed this. FYI: I don’t
      know Sudan, I should not explain further, because I read wild fabrications
      percolating your reply all over. Just show me where I mentioned Sudan in that
      regard.

      6. I am told I should accept the fact that Ethiopia considers Eritrea its moon. Very much laughable. Here we are told to internalize the idea that we are subordinate and you are telling me I have
      to say “Amen”! Please don’t waste time on making up things. It is clear that I have underlined the need of cooperation or interdependence explaining the INTER would mean mutually necessitated agreements/pacts, but No to bullish proposals and attitudes. What else do you want?

      7. “You have made is thus far and keep on walking steadily gaining positive sophistication at every step as you were also reminded by Emma. Saay has different options and he doesn’t like an evolutionary progress.”

      Thanks. Very

      Remarks: You have been checkmated, asked to clarify wild assertions you made,
      but you keep jumping, darting and dodging questions. I understand the game: deception,
      evading, misinforming…smoke screening….

      • Shum

        Hello Mahmud,

        Hello Mahmud,

        I know it’s still early in 2015, but I consider this one the Quote of the year: “Gual Adem, on paper, all is good; on theory, things are neutral; all you do is construct models and fill in fake data to satisfy your construct/model….”

        It has so many applications with so many postings and users on this forum.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Shum
          Thank you brother.
          To tell you the truth: I was shocked at the naked aggression she unleashed on The Truth Bound Society views (cheers), and at the nonchalant cruising she demonstrates at distorting my views.
          Coming to the quote you made: Gual Adem seems to have no clue where Eritrea begins and ends. She does not seem to even care. I discussed the center-periphery dynamism in more than two comments, probably I mentioned Sudan there, and also in explaining that Eritrea’s foreign policy will need to account Ethiopian ever worsening ambitions. But she put it as if I am stressing trading off Ethiopian relation for Sudan.
          On her zero-sum allegation: well, it is easy to have fun with fancy propositions and pronouncements. However, in reality, there are lives/blood, property, and lost opportunities involved. When there is a state of war hanging over the countries, it’s just preposterous to entertain ideas of “closeness”. As I said, if handled judiciously the wounds could heal. But not under a bullying policies. Finally, I can see what’s ailing the opposition. And that’s why I said the success of the opposition is directly related by the degree of separation it demonstrates between it and individuals who swim in its stream yet for a different destination.

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Mahmud,
        I am sorry and I really do not mean to hurt, but when I read your posts, I can not help but visualize an angry old man smashing and shattering the kitchen utensils, shredding and spreading papers and sometimes tearing and throwing his clothes. It is amazing!

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Tadias Abyssinia
          You must have had an experience of that image somewhere. Those images are things that flash back without any task exerted on conscious memory. If you try, I guarantee it you will find something beneficial from posting that you feel are “flash-back” triggers. Hey, I learned a lot from your posting.
          So, to reassure you about my safety, I do most postings (usually once a day) after the kids have done their home works, and kitchen activities have ended. All kitchen cabinets are closed. All is alright. God Bless you.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Mahmud,
            Oh, thank you. I was really worried you might start shooting lengthy defensive missiles at me. I am pleasantly surprised you came with a toned-down, even gracious reply. And, really I am happy to hear you are fine and sane. Sometimes I try to understand your situation and even sympathize with you, I mean about how you might feel at the sight (perception) of even the slightest attack on the country you spent your life fighting for. But, hey take it easy and relax sometimes.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmuday:
            kitche activities?, come on, I am sure you say “gual kusto nezen shahani teawetlin eba” 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere
            ኣይትነግርም። ኣደብ…ኣደብ…ብጻይ ሰመረ። Why are you exposing me in front of Gual Adem. Hey Semere, if you don’t want to waste time in the kitchen, follow my bxayawi mKri…anyway, avoid TsebHi Habesha, and just start tinkering with the kitchen stuff, then you will get a quick rescue…with a lot of praises…and thanks. I know the drill.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmud:Hah haha
            Gual Adem will not know what, I am talking about she will think he teawtla as something military action to unlearned:-)

          • Hayat Adem

            Ah boys,
            You show up in the kitchen for pretentious purposes? Mahmuday, unlearn this kitchen dishonesty as well, and stop advising others to follow your example.

          • Gud

            Boys? ” Rebi Yisetirena:”, “Seada” “Meriem”….Is it just me or this individual is trying to wear different makeup* ? 🙂 New vocabulary ? Yea, yea, we get it, you are Muslim now. Yea, you are a check now 🙂 . Pathetic !

            * makeup, as in not your own, foreign item applied to cover the real thing

          • Hayat Adem

            Guad Gud,
            and your point is?

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Mahmud,

            Since we are friends now, I feel I can ask you more. 🙂 When you said “Hey, I learned a lot from your posting.”, the following came to my mind. “If Ethiopian elites are to look at Eritrea as a satellite, Eritrea will have to work hard to get out of that orbit, speed up its internal strength and strengthen its ties with other spheres in order to link up with a more stable and sustainable orbit, where the influences of all its partners are equalized. That would mean neutralizing Ethiopian threats and bullish attitudes.” Did you learn any other thing?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Abbyssinia
            Abyssinia, this statement is true in any situation. Take for example your relation with a friend. Say, that friend has resources, connections, and has been in town for long time. Consider that Ethiopia. Now, you are a new comer, and obviously, everything is tilted in favor of your friend. Now, if it is a matter of zero-sum game, you know the odds are stack against you, but if your friend is smart, he will know, you can contribute to the friendship in a different way. May be you could be a book keeper, a mechanic, a manager…his resources and your skills can make a win-win situation. But if he has an attitude of looking down on you…considers you like a junior…a subordinate…your friendship will get sour. The decent person you are, you will not tolerate the “friendship”, you will find another person…or friendship, etc.
            I’m not against the possibility. But it should be something that two sovereign governments should do. If you read my comment, it was a general idea applicable everywhere. Say, if there is a trade dispute between China and USA, may be Brazil will benefit; if there is an Ethiopian pressures and threats on Sudan, it will look for a counterbalancing ties. For instance, it may re-strengthen its ties with Egypt, etc. Look at it from that angle. It is a natural and universal response.
            What did I learn from you? You did bring that planet-moon analogy from a good will. But I wish you would appreciate the sensitivity of the situation. When you put it that way, I interpret it as a hegemonic expression, as if Eritrea is arrested/condemned to a certain orbit revolving Ethiopia. Otherwise, I was hinting to you, and Horizon, once the political impasse is over, it will be a matter of market forces and economic necessities…

          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,
            Your first paragraph explains exactly what was happening before 1991; Ethiopia providing her
            resources and her big market and Eritreans investing their knowhow, first for their own good and then for the common good of the people. Unfortunately, that was what Eritreans opposed and dismantled.

            Don’t you think that market forces and economic necessities will still be asymmetrical, leaning towards Ethiopia? We are not talking of Ethiopia and Eritrea of the 60s and 70s. Today Ethiopia is the economic power house of the horn, of course by African standard. Take into consideration the resources, man-power, abundant electricity, big market and proximity
            to the market, fertile agricultural land, etc. These factors give a big advantage to Ethiopia. Eritrea is not an industrialized country to compensate for the above mentioned items she lucks; and I am sorry to say that there is no way Eritrea will be the driving force of the economy of the region; unless a miracle happens and Eritrea becomes, for example, an oil producing
            country, like the gulf states.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear
            Horizon,

            In the 1950s, 1960s Eritrea was the leading driver of Ethiopia’s light industry,
            intelligentsia, technical skill pool, modern management, rate of urbanization,
            infrastructure.

            In 1980s, devastated by the prolonged war but still had an edge compared to the many parts of Ethiopia.

            In 1991, Eritrea’s comparative advantage in entrepreneurship and industriousness was still holding.

            The 1998 war killed all those differential advantages and the port economy.

            2001, it locked popular leaders and editors

            In 2005, Eritrea entered the black economy world and weird government system.

            In 2009, 2011 The world rejected Eritrean gov.’s behavior.

            In 2012, Eritrea was attacked by Ethiopia in broad day light; acknowledging the world and no one said anything to oppose Ethiopia’s action.

            2005-2015, The leading exporter of refugees

            In 2013, Lampdusa and Forto

            In 2015, Molla

            In 2017 If present trend continues, worst is yet to come, possibly demographic collapse, state collapse, civil war

            2001-2015, Ethiopia was growing double digit, speedy industrialization, urbanization, expansion of universities, huge infrastructure take off, attraction of FDI and tourism flow, power transfer, taming Nile and Egypt, powerful army, population hitting 100million

            Mahmuday is dreaming of Eritrea rising up to challenge Ethiopia. He has the same Eritrea he was dreaming of in the fields. Eritrea can come back quickly to grace but some hard work must be done. Reading the current situation and reality correctly must precede any action.

          • Semere Tesfai

            ኣላ ሂወታ:

            ሂወተይ ሃብተይ – ኣብ ብርኪ ኢትዮጵያ ከይሰገድኩም: ንደብረ-ዳሞ ገጽኩም ከይተማህለልኩም ኣይወግሓልኩምን ‘ዩ: እንድዩ ‘ቲ ኹሉ መልእኽቲ ናይቲ ዘረባ:: ተረዲእና: ተረዲእና: ተረዲእና…..

            ናይ ጣዕሳ ወረቐት ጺሒፍና ክንምለስ ኢና::

            ሕጂ ብማርያም ኢለኪ የዕርፊ::

      • Hayat Adem

        Mahmuday,
        Honestly you are scaring me. You are sounding more and more the status quo keeper. Please don’t let me see you falling off a grace. You want the opposition distancing me, not pfdj, as their primary measure of quality? So, I’m the enemy they should be preoccupied with full time, not PFDJ? May we live in interesting times, is what they say.

        Everyone who doubted the truthfulness of what I wrote can revisit your posts since Molla and judge for themselves.

        But, I will rather tell you a Gabrovo joke. The man was fixing the top of his 3-storey house. Then, the thing he was stepping on went off and he was falling down in full gravity all the way down. His wife was cooking for lunch in the 1st floor, and he was passing by the kitchen as he was cruising down. Realizing that his fate would be certain death, he called out to his wife on his way down to the basement, just to say this: “DON’T COOK LUNCH FOR TWO, ONLY FOR ONE, ONLY FOR YOU!”

        Your Eritrea and my Eritrea (since you always say we are talking about different Eritreas) are both heading to a fathomless abyss. Those who felt that are moving out. And yet you have the comfort of agitating Eritreans to challenge Ethiopia just for the sake of it, the very country that is hosting the opposition, the very country that is hosting our youth, and the very country that has demonstrated time and again its respect to the Eritrean people and the sovereignty of the land at the cost of being landlocked.

        You are amazing me these days. What happened to the cool-headed Mahmuday I thought I discovered a month ago? Hayat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hi Hayat
          1. Falling from disgrace?
          I’m happy to tell you I accept that as a badge of honor. I consider two sign posts for guidance. The PFDJ sign post and the Weyn one. They keep me in course. The margin of distance I keep between those two posts and myself determine how correct I’m in navigating the treacherous waters.
          2. You said Ethiopia is doing all those things you mentioned “at the cost of being landlocked! ”
          You are still saying Ethiopia is landlocked for the welfare of Eritrea! !! You see how far apart we are? You still don’t get the fact that these are two separate nations. Ethiopia is doing what other neighbors are doing. It’s doing what’s required of it by international obligations. We should not think to please Ethiopia to keep quiet it from occupying our coastal lands.If it plays by the rule, we will offer our services for the good of ourselves, and th benefit of the great people of Ethiopia. Let Ethiopia move forward, let Ethiopia have the wisdom that comes with greatness. It doesn’t need to bully it’s way to the sea.All it needs is act responsibly.

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Hayat A,

          Does your claim “Ethiopia respecting Eritrean sovereignty of the land…” include also the large swaths of productive lands under occupation of the Woyane regime? One of your weak-points is your dishonesty in acknowledging this fact, and dismissing it as a matter of “dusty villages”, and, of course, your Ghedli defamatory attitude.

          PS. The landlocked situation of Ethiopia is something it was “cursed” to be by geography, probably has to wait a few million years for the rift valley to open and fill up the Afar-depression for direct access to sea. But until then Ethiopia, as always is welcome to make a good use of Eritrean ports.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Mahmuday,

        Compare the two accounts about Bisha- what I exactly said and what you said I exactly said, judge the difference and similarity.

        What you said I said:
        “You do remember the Bisha “raid” when you had to shoot your mouth with crazy and fake analysis; your wish that Ethiopia made it an all-out war…who is the one banking on zero-sum game? ”

        What I exactly said:
        “Dear T. Kifle: Considering on all news coming out today, it doesn’t appear a question if the hit has ever happened, it doesn’t not even seem about who did the hit, it is how deep or bad, or may be how effective and good the hit was depending on how one interprets it. If it happened though, I’m against it. Such less decisive military actions that are not designed for impacting system change can only extend the miserable situation of the Eritrean people while while ineffective of deterring IA from doing whatever he is doing to destabilize Ethiopia and the region.”

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    I don’t know if this would make you laugh or even laugh harder, but here it is. TPDM-Asmara reports that some 19 Tigrayan youth entered their training camps, having come to them opposing the Ethiopian govt. On the reasons for their opposition, some explain:

    1 – Supporters of Arena Tigray were refused Tiesa/land allocation (Arena Tigray proposes the nullification of EEBC and re-negotiation of peace to anchor on Ethiopia’s historical right to sea outlet as a central agenda item). This means, in principle, PFDJ would arm and train supporters of Arena Tigray to overthrow the EPRDF!!

    2 – Their government, after lending them seed money, is now harassing them to make repayments!

    3 – A bee hive that was the property of a certain Mr GebreEgziabhier Ga’Esi resident of MaEkelawi zone Ahferom, wereda bete-gebez, kebele zeban enda aboy gebrat in Tigray, was damaged by vandals suspected to be EPRDF operatives!

    4 – No.3 above was particularly reason for concern because Mr GebreEgziabhier Ga’Esi was recently a recipient of Model Producer prize!

    http://tpdm.net/archives/6936

    … finally, TPDM-Asmara’s website still shows Tagay Molla Asghedom’s interview as a chairman of the now defunct organization, has the webmaster escaped too?? 🙂

    • Eyob Medhane

      Ante Haile,

      Stop making fun of these people….min aynetu gifegna nw ebakachihu… 🙂

      Rather watch this… PMHD seems threatening Isu…… 🙂

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zCKV097muP0

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Eyob,
        The world was wondering about Meles greatness.Everybody was crying and wondering if that man will be replaced with similar caliper. I think the man is capable. Hey, you Ethiopians should not disturb this wonderful journey of Ethiopia.

        regarding war I think he is not threatening, he told clearly it is up to Eritrean government. But here we Eritreans and Ethiopians should work hard now not to see any war between those nations. the war between those two nations will be disastrous more than ever. it is not as PMHD think. Eritrean Government has nothing to lose it is already lost and will let Ethiopia lose a lot.

  • Ted

    Hi MN, You have left me with no soft spot to scratch how Eritrea can be great again. We all are hurting and all i say is things sure get better. Eritrea is saying “I will take care of YOU”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLR_bSzPTiY

    The Greatest MS, the guitar is for you, and You Sax Militants , No Sax whatsoever as a band should be.

    • saay7

      Hi Ted:

      Are you finished? Well, allow me to retort: here’s the original by Etta James. I think I hear a sax escorting the guitar home:

      http://youtu.be/fH3zWxcyrN4

      saay

      • Music Novice

        Greetings saay & Ted,

        I prefer Jailbreak by AC/DC.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsaGXaQKpc

        • saay7

          Hey MN:

          If we are going to go AC/DC, I prefer “thunder” 🙂

          Saay

          • Music Novice

            Greeting saay,

            ‘Thunderstruck’ is a very good one.

            By the way, if you are asked to choose one piece of Rock music for Isaias, what would you choose?

            I will choose ‘Mr Crowley’ by Ozzy Osbourne played with Jake E. Lee on guitar, which goes as follows:

            Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head?
            Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead?
            Your life style to me seemed so tragic
            With the thrill of it all
            You fooled all the people with magic
            Yeah, you waited on Satan’s door
            Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure?
            Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
            Uncovering things that were sacred …
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDaOzQUpo0

          • saay7

            Hey MN:

            That’s an interesting question, and it has a multi-part answer:

            1. Isaias is the unnamed person Bob Dylan is addressing in Positively 4th Street: “I know you are dissatisfied with your position and your place; don’t you know that that is not my problem? I wish that just for once, you would stand in my shoe: then you know what a drag it is to see you.”

            2. Isaias is the unnamed person Tekle Tesfazghi is addressing in Genzebka bxayka: “temagwati: ayrtaE bahali: mekhzen dnquruna…”

            3. Isaias is the unnamed person in U2s “One”: “Have you come here to play Jesus to the lepers in your head? Did I ask too much, more than a lot? You ask me to enter, but then you make me crawl, and I can’t keep holding on to what you got, when all you’ve got is hurt.”

            4. Isaias is the unnamed person in Abrar Osman’s “TsebaH” – “Lbkha zeyrkeb kulu gzie msTir…”

            5. Isaias is Mr Mojo Risin in The Doors “LA Woman”: “Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
            Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’ Got to keep on risin’ Risin’ Risin'”

            saay

          • V.F.

            MN,

            There is nothing novice about you about anything. You seem like a music expert, not a novice, and an expert on Eritrean contemporary problems.

            You picked this music Mr. Crowley by O.O. Do you guys actually follow rock music or pop culture that much and be heavily invested in the never-ending Eritrean politics or you just read about these things? I don’t know how people keep up with American pop culture and music. It changes every hour. I gave up years ago. And you guys like the heavy metal rock bands? Country music would be more befitting for habesha guys. Do you have long dreaded hair and tattoos and you were black jeans and t-shirts? Totally incongruous with any Eritrean personality, any.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings MN,

            The type of Music you listen to depends on your temperament and mindset. The type of Music you associate with also depends on your (school) friends, teachers and acquaintances while growing up.

            Rock music is about genuine, real life questions. It approaches these issues in a direct way or philosophically. There is also an element of instrumental, such as guitar, virtuoso that has an uplifting effect. Compared to listening to Operas and Symphonies, the time investment needed while listening to Rock music is relatively short.

            On the other hand, Country music too rural sounding and is long winded, and the instruments do not show their individuality, they seem to be muted. Pop music in general with the various genres in it such as R&B, hip-hop etc. etc. are fake at best and negative at worst.

            There is a lot of creativity in Jazz music, in particular Modern Jazz. In particular, Latin Jazz such as the Brazilian Samba and Bossa nova are very authentic and attractive.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam saay,
    .
    Somewhere in this thread in one of your posts to Haile TG, you brought my name K.H (Kim Hanna) as an example or illustration in passing, to make your point. I have issues with that.
    .
    I think you were mischaracterizing my post in your haste to make your point, that I was happy someone suggested unification of Ethiopia and Eritrea.. I never, endorse or endorsed, any Ethiopian or Eritrean, suggestion for the unification of the two countries, period. (Trust me on this, it is not MEGDERDER)
    I even have a problem and I need to be persuaded about the so called economic integration.
    .
    I compliment everyone, including you, when some kernels of truth are told, usually for that specific post. End of story.
    .
    The minor other issue. Here is something I am absolutely sure you are wrong and I am right. Pause.
    .
    I am a man. I am over 40.
    .
    Just to keep your presumed personal record of being right all the time intact, if you want to “debate” me about it, go ahead, make my day. (the nuke option of exposure is not contemplated at this time)
    .
    From here on I will sign out after my comments, daring you to initiate the debate, as Mr. Kim Hanna or Mr. K.H.
    Being Sunday and all, with a lot of time in hand for mischief at my expense, nobody else is invited to participate in this debate, in fact, everyone else is disinvited.
    .
    MR. KIM HANNA.

    • Amde

      Dear Mr. Kim Hanna,

      I profusely apologize for butting into something where I am so explicitly disinvited, but this was such a hilarious post, and you just made my Sunday morning, and I had to come out and thank you.

      I shall now see my irredeemably balege self out the door, and enjoy the rest of the day.

      As you were.

      Amde

    • saay7

      Hey Mr Kim Hanna:

      Like you said it’s Sunday. Watch this, less than a minute, and it will explain the confusion:

      http://youtu.be/dU4lYcN6zEY

      saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Selamat Saay,
        Don’t do that. Honor the invitation and debate. We’re waiting with a paid ticket.
        Hayat

        • saay7

          Selam Hayat:

          What am I debating? That I mistook “Kim” for a girl’s name? If I thought women were inferior to men, I would apologize to him. Since I don’t, all I have to do is correct myself and call him Mr. Kim Hanna.

          saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Alright, I will accept the “mistake” as a full admission of error on your part.
            .
            Don’t listen to Hayat today, she is full of mischief.
            .
            We are all humans, we make mistakes sometimes, you are one good human being to say so.
            I don’t know what I am saying there, I just wanted to extend my victory time a little longer. BTW, that clip was a masterpiece for the occasion.
            .
            Have a great Sunday.
            .
            Mr. K.H

    • V.F.

      I can’t find where saay was referring unification and your name at the same time. Can you please put it in response for me? It’s my favorite topic.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam V.F,
        .
        I was trying to avoid looking for it again, but for you I scrolled and scrolled and found it.
        .
        It is one a day ago, just before it changed to two days at this moment.
        .
        Saay, starts the post by saying “Ok. So I read your piece twice.”
        .
        MR. K.H

  • Amde

    Selam Aman,

    To be honest I was just trying to understand what you are saying. For the most part I am clueless and i will be man enough to admit this may be a failing on my readership, and not one of your authorship. Perhaps your postings could use a bit more context, so readers can tell what it is you are talking about. For example, you mentioned “the declassified piece”. I missed where you discussed what this piece is, who wrote it, who classified it, when it was declassified, why it was declassified etc etc….

    I wish you a good weekend.

    Amde

  • Michael Solomon

    Dear all!!
    From an Eritrean perspective -the 20,000 figure for the third TPLF group (aka TPDM) is a spin created by the mafia in Amara and the worthless UN took these fabricated numbers at it’s face value. That number was created by HGDEF to scare and terrorize the Eritrean people from within -The mafia group based in Asmara have to resort to that type of scare schemes to stay in power- even colonel Kadafi used the same logic to scare his own people about his black mercenaries! HGDEF as it’s cousins in Tigray is a master of all spins -we all know how many dams they claim to have built but they have not produced a single grain out of that type of farming! Ask any Eritrean if they produced anything from the Gerset dam!!. those poor souls stationed to guard the Gerset dam do not even have food to eat!!! They use un paid labor to dig un thoughtful dams and roads with out any studies or plans – they take pictures and create videos to fool their brain dead followers and no one will go back to the dams or roads that they just claimed they built -that is the extent of their spin!!
    Bottom line we wish this bunch took the HGDEF mafia with them !!! As a concerned Eritrean we should stop using the name EPLF for HGDEF -they are not the same – HGDEF is different version of TPLF and a rare type of animal / cancer dumped on the Eritrean people.

  • Hayat Adem

    Thanks a lot, Ayneta for your generous compliment. But, are you also reading people like HTG? He is quick, versatile, bold, and truthful all impeccably displayed in his writings. He is growing in me everyday. Trust me, reading him every time is like a feast day, leaving you full and with a lot of choices. Enjoy him.
    Hayat

  • Solomon Gezahegn

    Dear All,
    More than the intelligence work used to be done by both sides for their own respective agenda, at the end of the day the beneficiaries of this saga are the Ethiopians who would get peace because of the threat that used to be posed by this force and the Eritreans who couldn’t have got any benefit due the existence of this force among their society.
    Gezahegn