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The Abiy Phenomenon

How volatile human affairs are!   A couple of decades ago, who would have thought the wave of democratization that swept the globe after the collapse of the Soviet Union would suffer such a reversal in such a short time? The world had seemed to be moving inexorably towards freedom and democracy and many experts believed the democratic wave was unstoppable.  But alas, within a decade, such predictions were proven wrong; the wave ebbed and a trend in the opposite direction begun mushrooming.  From Africa to Europe to Asia and the Americas, democracy is being challenged (or even uprooted) by populists, authoritarians and would-be authoritarians. According to a recent report by Freedom House.

“Democracy faced its most serious crisis in decades in 2017 as its basic tenets—including guarantees of free and fair elections, the rights of minorities, freedom of the press, and the rule of law—came under attack around the world. Seventy-one countries suffered net declines in political rights and civil liberties, with only 35 registering gains. This marked the 12th consecutive year of decline in global freedom.”

Once again, humans are asserting their God-given right to be selfish, brutal, xenophobic, racist, violent, and bigoted.   (Those who previously argued that the world is getting better should take note!). Amidst such disheartening trends in world affairs, it is exhilarating to behold the emergence of a leader in Ethiopia who seemingly appeared out of nowhere (though actually a veteran) to reassert the central principles of freedom, democracy, and equality. Charismatic, debonair, peace-loving, erudite, and courageous, Abiy Ahmed epitomizes the qualities of a leader that we have all been yearning for eons! His mixed heritage, his optimism, his geniality, and his commitment to peace and harmony all attest to his fitness for leadership.  When one remembers that he holds an MA in “Transformational Leadership” and that he chose conflict resolution in Ethiopia as a thesis topic for his Ph.D., it becomes clear that we are dealing here with an earnest man who has been preparing himself methodically for the very tasks he is now executing.

In a hard to follow series of sprints and dashes, he is dismantling Ethiopia’s entire corrupt structure from top to bottom smoothly and skillfully. Within months of taking over, he freed innocent prisoners; lifted the state of emergency; convened several town hall meetings; lifted the ban on all political opponents including those in exile; pledged to amend the sham anti-terrorism laws; and agreed to implement the Ethio-Eritrea border resolution just to name a few.  On the diplomatic front, he flew like a whirlwind to several countries in the region including Kenya, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Egypt, Uganda, and Eritrea.  And it seems he is just getting started.  Among other things, he plans to fully liberalize the economy; install a multi-party democracy; do away with monopolies, and reform the army.   By all benchmarks, these are astounding and extraordinary achievements!

Predictably, his quick-fire stunning accomplishments have raised questions about whether his reforms were externally driven.  In other words, some suspect that he was acting at the behest of foreign ultimatums. This is a valid concern, but I personally do not believe that international and economic pressures alone sufficiently account for all his positive and wide-ranging reforms, assertions and actions.  Moreover, in quickly and competently acting to save his country (his first priority), he showed good stewardship.

There is one possible negative byproduct of his successes however that is worrisome; The Abiy phenomenon has so electrified Ethiopia and the region that a personality cult seems to be developing around him.  Many Ethiopians are becoming dangerously infatuated with him. Due to his many attractive personal qualities and mass appeal, this is a lurking danger. Already, some are comparing him to Moses.  Just as Moses delivered the Israelites from Pharaoh, Abiy presumably rescued Ethiopians from the clutches of the Weyanes. Such sentiments are the seeds that later metastasize into a full-blown cult of a leader. Ethiopians should learn from the bitter Eritrean experience with Isaias about the pitfalls of succumbing to a leader and his persona.

In contrast to the rapturous Ethiopians, the reaction of most Eritreans had been one of dismay and confusion.  Why would an advocate of democracy like Abiy fraternize with a ruthless tyrant?  Why did he say nothing about the human rights violations in Eritrea?   This feeling of bewilderment was further exacerbated by Isaias’s excessive fawning over Abiy and his bizarre behavior and utterances in Asmara and Addis.  Terrifyingly, Isaias has become even more eccentric and erratic as a septuagenarian.

How revolting the circus show honoring Isaias was[1]! How totally out of character Isaias was throughout!  Watching them embrace, I couldn’t help wondering whether Abiy – in a Putin-like fashion – was taking the Trumpian Isaias for a ride. It certainly reeks of hypocrisy when a “champion of democracy” befriends a butcher-in-chief like Isaias but as repugnant as it was for me to witness this surreal scene, I found it difficult to fault Abiy in the context of the harsh realities in Eritrea. What would we have him do? If this man of action was to get some immediate results (such as peace and stability in the region however temporary), what other options did he have except to begin by engaging the person in charge?

We will see how far it goes but Eritreans and Ethiopians are breathing a little freely now for the first time in decades! This relief should not be underestimated. For Eritreans still living under the harsh dictatorship, this is a huge deal and anything that ameliorates their suffering should be welcome by all Eritreans in my opinion. If it turns out that Isaias sold us down the river in a deal with Ethiopia, it certainly wouldn’t be Abiy’s fault.  Moreover, we will be under no obligation to abide by anything the dictator agrees to once we take over. Until then, Isaias will continue to decide our fate single-handedly whether we like it or not. No surprise there.

Imagine how things would have fared if Abiy had instead spoken against Eritrea’s regime so early in his rule. The status quo would remain and people on both sides of the border would continue to suffer. It would be a different matter if we had an opposition that could pose a formidable challenge to the dictator, but we regrettably don’t and until we do, verbal or official support for us would unfortunately be wasted. Only a clandestine support should be expected.

The opposition should not be disheartened however. For all the theatrics, the Abiy-Isaias dalliance is at its core a weak one held by a thin thread of a common enemy. By ingratiating himself to Isaias, Abiy probably got some concessions that he wouldn’t have gotten had he instead prematurely supported the opposition.  So, we must allow for the possibility that this may be a tactical move by Abiy to secure short-term economic benefit.  At what price to Eritrea, nobody knows except Isaias.

All we know is Abiy, with a single stroke, has checkmated Isaias by depriving him of the one excuse (the border issue) he has been using for about two decades to avoid instituting reforms. Will Isaias relent?  Will he at least follow Abiy’s example by freeing all innocent prisoners and lifting the ban on opposition groups? Very Unlikely but whether he does or not, he has long lost all credibility in the eyes of Eritreans. Following Abiy’s lead, if he decides to free prisoners or lift the ban on opponents, we will take it of course but as long as he remains in power, it will all be a sham and the struggle should continue.

It is also important to remember that Abiy is not a fool.  I am sure he realizes that his long-term strategic vision of multi-nation alliance (if genuine) cannot endure for long with a dictatorial regime as a neighbor. Unless he has been a clever demagogue all along, he will therefore eventually support democratic forces in Eritrea. So, if I can give advice to the opposition, it is to be patient.  The man has been in power for only a few months; let us give him the benefit of the doubt while reserving the right to reevaluate him periodically. Meanwhile, the opposition should enthusiastically support him while simultaneously impressing upon him the shared commitment to freedom, peace, democracy, and equality.

What impressed me most about Abiy is his frank discussion about borders. Well-read and forward-looking, he understood the artificiality of the borders drawn by colonialists and the ridiculousness of fighting over them.   When he was asked why he agreed to implement the border ruling, he pointed to the obvious fact that this was already arbitrated and final.  He then went on to declare that there are actually no real borders and that he ultimately plans to open Ethiopia’s borders to all Africans.  By themselves, these are not revolutionary utterances.  The general idea of fluid or open borders and the broader quest for African unity (Pan-Africanism) that Nkruhama made famous by warning “Africa must unite or perish!”, is not new but it takes courage for a newly elected prime minister to boldly declare such sentiments within a few months of taking over.

To test his mettle in solving national and regional problems particularly as it relates to border issues, it seems Abiy has chosen Eritrea as his first trial case. He correctly deduced that he would be unable to realize any of his important goals without solving the issue of Eritrea peacefully and quickly.  Fortunately for him, in the newly minted Isaias, he found a willing partner/accomplice.

Isaias’s dazed ramblings are of course not to be taken seriously but Abiy’s viewpoints should be taken seriously since he seems in earnest about the proposals he is putting forward (though one can never be totally sure).  Let us now ponder: Putting aside the issue of greater African unity, how should Eritreans react to solicitations for unity or federation that keeps resurfacing every now and then? Should the Abiy phenomenon alter our opinions about this issue?  Questions are often asked: Why would Eritrea that has been suffering for so long and that was unable to accomplish anything substantial since independence reject such “friendly” overtures?  Why wouldn’t it be willing to draw strength by joining others?

Such questions should not be dismissed outright since there are undeniable benefits in forming larger coalitions or unions. That is why, in principle, we should all be for political and economic integration between countries particularly neighbors.  In the case of Eritrea, however, there is one crucial factor we must not lose sight of: Eritrea must first establish itself as a bona fide nation that reflects the wishes of its people.  It must first reach its age of consent so to speak as a dictator-free democratic nation before it can be given away in marriage.

If Eritrea were to unite with any country before recovering from its traumatic experience, it will be at the cost of its dignity and honor.  Those with whom we unite will forever regard themselves as our benefactors and therefore at some level, their inferiors or subordinates. They can then slowly divest Eritrea of its privileges a piece at a time.  Sounds familiar?  For these reasons and many more, federation or union with Ethiopia or any other country cannot be entertained at this time.  Neither Eritrea as a nation nor its people are ready for it.  As a distant goal however, it is ok for Eritreans to welcome Abiy’s vision of regional unity and greater cooperation in my opinion because the future will undoubtedly belong to countries that endeavor collectively.

From the above discussion, one may surmise that I have been smitten by the Abiy craze or Abiymania as some have dubbed it. No.  I remain ambivalent.  I am just giving credit where I think credit is due. If I were to tersely describe my views on the issue, I would say I am also cautiously optimistic (as Awate editorial put it) about Abiy though leaning more towards optimism.  To those who say, we have seen enough of Abiy; I am saying, no, a few months is too soon.

Will Abiy be able to bring about the change he envisions and succeed where many others have failed?   I hope so (if he is sincere that is) but he is in a precarious situation. What we all like about him may ultimately be his undoing.  He seems too conciliatory and too accommodating to survive plots against him.  At least we can count on one enemy that will leave no stones unturned to get him and it may finally come down to a showdown where only the ruthless will prevail.  If Abiy hesitates to strike at his enemies for noble sentiments, I am afraid his days are numbered.  Like Gandhi, MLK, and many others, he will be abruptly terminated.

One compelling argument against Abiy is that he is trying to please everybody including mass murderers like Isaias and Mengistu with a motto that we should forget past grievances, forgive everyone, and start with a clean slate.   Tomfoolery? Wisdom? Has Abiy concluded that this is the only stratagem that will end the cycle of violence and hate?  I don’t know but I totally disagree with him in this.

In the end, whatever we think of him right now, it is too early – as I intimate in many ways above – to fully evaluate Abiy, and we should remain vigilant. Leaders can and do change over time.  Often likened to an aphrodisiac, power is intoxicating and the longer one partakes of it, the more one hankers for it. That is the wisdom behind term limits. To his credit, Abiy has promised he will promptly end his rule at the completion of his term.  Will he keep his promise, or will he come up with some novel way of putting it off as countless of leaders have done before him?

Other pending questions include: Will he continue the current silly charade with a sadistic dictator or will he change course once he fully consolidates power in Ethiopia? Or is Abiy just a pawn in the global intrigue in our region that includes US, UAE and others?  If so, to what extent?  Answers to such questions are bound to be revealed soon and, in my opinion, it is then and only then that we will be in a position to either categorically approve or condemn him.  Until then, we will have to wait and see but for better or worse, he has become a sensational phenomenon that is bringing hope and excitement to Ethiopia, the region, and beyond.  For now, I will therefore take off my Kufia to this gallant innovator!

[1] The accolades Isayas received in Addis were probably indirectly for Abiy.  Ethiopians are so mesmerized by Abiy that they are ready to do his bidding including cheer and applaud an accursed dictator

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  • Aligaz G

    Dear Awate Forumers

    Interesting article on the topic of you haven’t read it already https://www.opendemocracy.net/ren-lefort/pacified-politics-or-risk-disintegration-race-against-time-in-ethiopia

  • Aligaz G

    Ismail AA

    Once the dehumanization process reaches a certain point all sorts of evil acts become routine. This point of no return is what you should guard against. Nations which have a leave no compatriot behind mentality invariably have the most democratic and fair systems. Dare I say this mentality was jettisoned by Issayas as soon as he took over Asmara?

  • Solomon

    Selam Abi,

    I didn’t say Ethiopiains but people. I was trying to Explain to Aligaz people some times hate or love people blindly by group mentality or false propoganda with out critical thinking. Anyways I apologise for saying that.

    About the rampant corruption. EPRDF admitted to that. What is New to talk about it. But you know what your problem is, you are such a hater you talk only about TPLF.

    It is not arrogance that brought TPLF to it’s natural size It is nature, remember they are minority.
    But what is amazing is Abi is accusing some body of arrogance.

    I know the majority of Ethiopiains are tolerant. I live and work amongst them even in this hard times. The problem is people like you who are bigoted and full of haterd who try to put a wage between the people of Ethiopia by propagating false propoganda day and night.

  • Aligaz G

    Dear Awatistas

    W.H Auden- Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone…
    Aretha has died Queen of Soul

    RESPECT

    • David Samson

      Selam Aligaz,
      My favourite hit:
      “I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)”
      RIP

      • Beyan

        Selam Gentlemen,

        Indeed, an icon by any measuring standards of art. The face and the voice of civil rights movement. She embodied what was good about America even the Great Migration of African Americans in their millions, she was at the heart of it. Wish this was weekend, googling “Aretha Franklin’s Revolution” will have to suffice now. A queen of soul, indeed!

        BN

  • Alfaromeo

    Dear all,
    Just click the link below and see the pain of families fir the last 20 years ..

    [mod: save links for weekends]

  • Aligaz G

    Abi

    Thanks. I am Yeju oromara saddled by with a big name by the ancestors. They had a sense of humor 🙂

    cheers

  • Blink

    Dear Solomon
    You said “TPLF handed a peaceful Ethiopia to team Lemma” , this is not only false but arrogantly pushes narrative , the number of IDP in Ethiopia is 2.8 million and on top of that TPLF made Ethiopia ungovernable by picking the wrong medicine for all . Some honesty is a good investment in politics even though it can be very hard .

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      Over 1/4 (if u minus welkayet and raya, the number go up)of tigraians in tigrai live by a safety net programs, run by NGOs and gov. U know what that means? It means if there is drought or not, this people need handouts to survive.so u don’t have to go all the way to somali kilil.

      • Blink

        Dear Tedy
        I understand and know what kind of live the Tigrians are in and it really pains me to see them suffer from a weyane evils plan , I believe the Tigrians are a victim just as Eritrean Tigrinyas but to see some people who are unapologetic about weyane crime do cover the horror of the Tigrians. Tigrians without USAID means just 1984 thing . What I am confused is we have Eritreans who were hunting for their heritage get in this mess and defend weyane . Remember awateteam never criticized Meles or even Hailemariam but now here you can see how they try to frame things and I think that is a great mistake.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          The point is, Runing around from eritrea to jigjiga and being weird is not a solution. They not gonna solve ur problem.

    • Solomon

      Selam Blink,

      You are wrong Blink. As i said before TPLF handed Team Lemma a peaceful Ethiopia. If you remember the current crisis begun with demonstrations about the Adiss master plan. Before that you can go anywhere, from North to South from East to West day to night with out fear a hitch. After the demonstrations were escalated the defense Force was trying to control the situation and nobody was displaced. But Team Lemma and all the activists were vilifieing the defense Force saying Agazi did this woyane did that as if they don’t need the defence Force for another day. It is after Team Lemma took power that we are seeing all these massive displacements. Even now the defense Force are not allowed to intervene unless they are ordered by the poletical leadership. In the recent massacre in eastern Hararge where 40 peaple died the defense Force was 10 km away as the official of that wereda was saying but they didn’t intervene. Do you think this was possible before 2 year. I don’t think so. But since you are one of the most hater of TPLF no logic will convince you.

      • Paulos

        የኔ’ወንድም,

        እባክህ ኣትድከም! ኣንድ ኢትዮጵያዊ ካንተ የተለየ ሃሳብ ያለው ግን በሰከነ መንገድ ሊግባባህ የሚችል Amde የሚባል ኣለ ከሱ ጋር ኣውራ።

        • Solomon

          Selamat Paul,

          I know i can’t convince Blink by any logic because his haterd for TPLF is beyond logic but it is okay as long as we dialogue respectfully. Thanks anyway brother.

      • Blink

        Dear Solomon
        I think you forgot all the prisoners who get released were arrested by TPLF not by Team lema. Hundreds of thousands young men got their free air by team lema and Gedu . The legacy of TPLF is closing its last chapter by millions of people displaced, killed and hunger every where . The legacy of TPLF for most Ethiopians is seen as “ looters, killers and ethnic lines of killings “and they left Ethiopia at crossroads to disintegrate , you should kneel and thank team lema . I am not dumping the roads and METEC and many but what good is building if people got dragged out because they are from different ethnic groups . I listen horror news about Tigrians being dragged from their house as a pay back the people not by team lema.

        • Solomon

          Selam Blink,

          Team Lemma are the legacy of TPLF. The legacy of TPLF in Ethiopia is far and wide it can not be dismissed that easily but let’s leave that to history. Who cares about legacy now when the country is in the brink of chaos. What we are concerned is about the now. As we speak now the narrative that is Blaming TPLF for everything bad happening in Ethiopia is changing. Today Dr Negero lencho for the first time spoke strongly this street mob is not acceptable and the government will take action. The whole Ethiopiain Media also are now speaking about the rule of law. So if you are human being for a change some times speak about positive things.

          • Blink

            Dear Solomon
            The tension that was building for almost 27 years has to get out in some way of form ,I guess the horrible things we are watching is the price but it will not last , Peace will take hold and for the time being it will go on to lodge some society. Just give time until the many opposing forces get their place . Don’t forget these who are venting their anger has been under brutal death roads for too long . Talking about the good is always good thing but it will not be a constant destiny if the problem has been building for too long. As we speak 4000 Ethiopians just left Djibouti because of fear for their life . A country with 90 million people which was under brutal system of ethnic Federal government that stayed by force has to experience some kind of bad news , imagin if this was in Arab land where the source of solution is killing, guess how many people will be killed by bombs ? Not millions but certainly hundreds of thousands would have died calling Al lah wo akber . My question is why are the TPLF so sensitive about their hand ? Where were they when people were chopped their hand ? Is there any difference ? Some of awate esteemed social science elite are trying to make the story about Oromo or Amhara while they have been silent in the TPLF era of killings!!! That’s is my friend unacceptable. Imagine if some of the PFDJ got their hand in the future and complain about prison?

          • Solomon

            Selam Blink,

            You started posetively and then you ended negatively, anyway thanks for trying.

          • Blink

            Dear Solomon
            Negative? Is that towards you or to the views that we didn’t agree. I am sorry if I made it personal because the guy do warned you yet you tried and I thank you for trying to defend the impossible.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam solomon ye addisaba lij
            agree ethnic poltics will be the legacy of tplf.

          • Solomon

            Selam Teddy diasporaw,

            Powerful and peacefull Ethiopia will be the legacy of TPLF believe me as your president would say.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam solomon yearada lij
            Ok, u agree tplf introduced ethnic poltics in ethio?
            2, do u agree what has been achieved(wherever good or bad) in oromia achieved by the oromo and opdo?
            3, peaceful, which peace r we talking about?
            4, powerful, which?

          • Solomon

            Selam Teddy,

            1) off course
            2) it’s achieved by EPRDF
            3) and 4) we are talking about the future Ethiopia in about 20 years
            5) I don’t understand

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam solomon
            1, do u know eprdf is a coalitions?
            2,do u know addis is the only place eprdf govern as a coalition(still not equal representation within the coalitions, the number of andm and opdo r by far the highest)?
            3,what about the success or failure of the people and private business people? Still u consider it, the success or failure of “eprdf”
            4, u think.eprdf will continue to rule for the next 20 years?

          • Solomon

            Selam Teddy,

            All the failures and successes of the country is attributed to the government (EPRDF) becouse it is his policy that governs private businesses as well.

            Weather EPRDF rules or not for the next 20 years it doesn’t matter. As long as there is peaceful transition of power weather you like it or not it will be the legacy of TPLF.

            Todays Ethiopia is not so much peacefull and powerful but it will be in the next 20 years.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam solomon
            So u saying opdo too will take credit for what happened in tigrai? even though opdo is not runing tigrai?
            Do u know eprdf as a coalition run the federal gov, not each states?
            And do u consider the recent change of policy and leadership was peaceful?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam solomon
            1st, it don’t make sense, when u said weather eprdf rules or not for the next 20 years , the credit will go to tplf. In other words u r saying by hook or by crook tplf will take the cradit?
            2nd, do u consider the recent change of policy and leadership was peaceful?
            3, do u know there r performance difference on each eprdf coalitions when they rule thier constituency? Why?

  • Selam Solomon,

    What ethiopia is living today is the legacy of tplf’s poisonous divide and rule, the politics of ethnic federalism and ethnic superiority (the golden and the brass people), thus undermining national unity and cohesion, and political and economic hegemony in order to rule forever. It is not only about leaving power, it is mainly the toxic situation it left behind and the poison some of its supporters are spewing today in all direction to incapacitate the new government and help create chaos in ethiopia.

    Just a day ago 40 oromos were killed by the liyu police (the creation of MZ). Yes, there were cattle rustlers in the region from times immemorable, but armed bandits in their thousands that wreaked havoc that result to the death of many people and the displacement of millions was unknown. Today, as said by some, ethiopians know there ethnic boundaries much more than their national boundary, and they care much more for the first. National unity and cohesion has been destroyed, unfortunately.

    Tplf hegemony and totalitarianism, prisons full to the brim, killings and disappearances, looting, corruption and debt accumulation that could bring the country to its knees in the future, winning elections all the time, etc, could not continue, and therefore, tplf was forced to leave power for somebody else. It was forced and not because it wanted a democratic and peaceful ethiopia.

    Nevertheless, for all these and other things, tplf feels permanent entitlement to rule the country till kingdom come, and expects that the ethiopian nation should be indebted to it forever. But, that is not how things are or should be, in my opinion. If indeed ethiopia was tplf’s priority and not tigray, as said, (even then tigray was hoodwinked and not the real beneficiary but the tplf clique, who from poverty, as they came from the bushes, soon ascended not only to power but to riches as well, and therefore they are well paid and ethiopians do not owe them anything any more). If tplf was more ethiopian, it wouldn’t have been at odds with the change, and would have supported it or become part of it.

    • Solomon

      Selam Horizon,

      The same argument can be argued as to why TPLF acted in this way in the last 27 years i.e due to the injustiesis and suppression of the previous rulers of Ethiopia. I’m not into that because blaming the past misdid of the government will not solve our current problems. Remember the new mantra is peace, reconciliation, forgiveness, etc.

      Horizon what i am saying is the narrative that TPLF is working to undermine PM Abiy is false. If you are saying other wise can you show some concrete evidence. I live in Adiss Ababa and I have been to Tigray recently. From what I perceive there is only fear in Tigray on the course the country is taking. From what I’m hearing from the poleticians, they are worried the country is becoming ungovernable. In order to satisfy the wishes of some extreme elements the government is taking measures that endanger the fragile condition of the country. What they are saying is the Constitution must be respected. Even if you want to change the Constitution it must be based on the Constitution and peacefully. I don’t think anybody is losing any sleep on losing their power.

      In my opinion, i think there are some elements who doesn’t want peaceful transition in the country. Their hate for TPLF is so great that they are willing to sacrifice the countries wellbeing on the line. Imagine what would have happened if the PM have been harmed at meskel square.

      I don’t think TPLFites are dump people. They know the reality in the ground. They have repeatedly retriated the future of Tigray is with peaceful Ethiopia. If there is no peace in Ethiopia nobody will benefit May be some foreign elements.

      • saay7

        Selamat Sele:

        There is an oped piece based on a long interview with Hailemariam Desalegn (yeah that Hailemariam Desalegn) in South Africa’s Daily Maverick that’s quite an eye opener.

        In essence, HD says what we all know but it is still fresh-air to hear it from an insider. Namely:

        since the death of Meles Zenawi (2012), there has been a pull and push between TPLF on one hand and OPDO-ANDM on the other hand. The feud was on overturning the dominance of TPLF vs the importance of having experienced state stewarts

        HD says that since he comes from a weak base (youngest member of the EPRDF coalition coming from an ethnically fragment region), he was too weak to resolve issue and thus he focused on call for deep reform and going over the heads of the parties and communicating directly with people to hold their politicians accountable for corruption

        That the feud was also between the young (reformers) and the old (communists turned developmental statists)

        The series of double digit growth created winners and losers

        By December 2017 people had serious concerns about the viability of the state

        The tension between group rights and individual rights was not managed well

        Neither was the tension between ethnic identity and Ethiopian identity.

        Now there is another tension between maintaining the Federal state and introducing a unitary state (no the words of HD but the OPED writer.)

        These are all normal subjects of discourse. The danger for Ethiopia is the polarized sides are not just ordinary politicians but politicians who have weaponized ethnicity and claim to speak for an entire ethnic group (like a tribal chief would.) Hailemariam says he tried to navigate all these minefilds but in the end recognized he did have the political base to do it and it had to be done by someone from the largest ethnic group. One hopes that everybody else will know their limitation instead of their real and perceived strengths.

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saay,

          I don’t want to turn this debate between me and you on Ethiopian issue. But I have one question and one personal view on a concept.

          The question is: who are the “experienced state stewards” in the Ethiopian politics?

          On the the concept: since “group rights,” how ever they are grouped and “individual rights” are inter-related and interdependent. They are equally important in the “principle of human rights”, “principle of democracy”, and “principle of fairness and equal opportunities”. Political practitioners who try to separate this twin political virtues are only those opportunists who use it as a political divide in the struggle of power. We will debate this conceptual issue in our case, the Eritrean issue.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            This is a direct quote from Hailemariam Desalegn in the South African paper I mentioned:

            “Many in the TPLF felt,” maintains Hailemariam, “that even after Meles, that their experience gave them the exclusive right to rule. Whenever I brought new reforms before the EPRDF, these were always undermined by the TPLF, who felt that they owned the existing order.”

            Hope that answers your first Q. As for the second Q, the tension between “individual rights” and “group rights” is one that is a huge challenge for every country in the world, including the US whose Declaration of Independence defines a right as God-given and therefore to an individual only. Human rights (individual) and group rights (a collection of people) are in such state of tension everywhere in the world that, for example, the Government of Eritrea dismisses all calls for individual human rights as secondary compared to group rights (here the group defined as “the People of Eritrea”) and their right to eat, have shelter, healthcare, clean water etc. individual human rights were originally designed to counter the “group right” of the people as interpreted by the government. The point, Dear Emma, is that this is a contentious issue everywhere in the world and the context of Hailemariam’s interview was that “group rights” have meant only “ethnic group rights” and this emphasis in the last 20 years has sometimes overrun individual liberties.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            First thank you for the info on the former PM of Ethiopia. Second on the issue “group vs individual rights” we will continue to debate when it is raised in the Eritrean proper.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            True. I am just saying it’s difficult to reach a consensus giving that the two major crisis points of Eritrea—1940s (Muslim League vs Andnet) and 1971 (Nehnan Elamanan)—were triggered by group rights.

            There are some group rights that are not controversial anymore: right of the child (a universal instrument), gender parity (universal goal), right of disabled (universal) all protect group rights. For social groups, there is no controversy about their right to preserve their culture. Everything else is open to debate, if can learn to debate them without accusations and counter accusations flying.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay, Aman H and Ali-G,

            Having read the few and brief points raised in the exchanges on group vs individual rights, I got the urge to scribble few things. To begin with, saay’s view that the debate is as old as the formation of the nation-state system is historical true. There has not been conceptual consensus. The French version is different from the German, Dutch or USA one. The only progress on the issue is that they had streamlined the concept in the frameworks of processes of democratization, constitutionalism and defining patriotism and loyalties to the nation-state within them.

            But considering the issue in the context of the nations lagging in formation and consumation of nation-states building, especially post colonial entities whose diversities were imposed, the debate of rights would be superflous since the bedrocks of nation and state building have not taken shape or are non-existent altogether. I think one of the structural problems the Ethiopian scene has been facing is attempt to settle goup rights (ethnic based while ignoring dirvesities within the ethnics themselves) through imposed federal arrangement without accommodating issues that democracy should have resolved.

            When we consider the Eritrean case, the debate has not even started. Amanuel has a point when he dismissed the notion of the regime about people and people’s rights. The claimed priorities about sustenance issues like shelter, food and medicine without proper demoractic frameworks are simple subterfuges to camouflage domination of one group at the expense of other groups and individuals. The very fact that the split in 1970s was justified by group grievances as saay has pointed was subtle intention to work for group organization and power, which events and history have shown. The 1952 and federation period fared better because there was at least understanding of distribution of rights on the basis of confessional divide, as membership sharing in parliament had demonstrated.

            Thus, in my view, the debate on rights and categories will ensue and will proceed in the framework of how Eritreans will work out the political future (governance) of the country when civilian administration qualified to lead the process of laying down of foundation for nation and nation-state will be in place. It will be that process that will determine whether the internal social demographic boundaries which Ali-G has alluded to will diminish in favor of a system that reconcile group rights and individual rights within the concept of coherent idea of nation and nation-state in which constititutional democratic patriotism will end the existing contradiction between imposed group domination and social-cultural defensive political orientations.

          • Beyan

            Haha Ismail AA.,

            The conceptual and theoretical frameworks notwithstanding, what I have been unable to shake off my mind is the image of that young man hanging upside down. There is nothing I hate than to see us so called human beings losing our so called humanity or being desensitized to death and mayhem be it in the hands of a mob or a regime. I am talking about the disturbing image that Awate used in its latest piece of a young man hanged upside-down. I am relieved that it is removed.

            Some of the Oromos have now surpassed that the Haile Selassie and the Derg showed us the art of the grotesque in real terms in Edaga Hamus, Asmara; in Ona, in Keren of hanging human beings and letting them stay there for days on end. Or a body of a dead Tegadalay being dragged in a vehicle. These are stories that many Ethiopians are not only not aware, but do not even want to hear about. But, that’s the major reason if not the sole reason why Eritreans chose a separate destiny. Unfortunately, that, too, turned out to be worst than the occupiers. If Derg and Haile Selassie did it in broad daylight, the regime in Eritrea is doing it by burying innocent human beings in the dungeon, in the underground. There is a huge difference between seeing and hearing of atrocities. It is why images have such powerful impetus to galvanize the public. I am not here to point fingers or play the whodunit chess game. The repulsive and visceral reaction I’ve had when seeing that image was enough to not only churn my stomach and chagrin my mind, but also that very little was done by the authority is beyond baffling.

            The ability of people to have the power to suppress and/or forget or deny is amazing. I recall seeing images of African Americans were hanged under trees while the Whites were having their picnic. It was the opening of a museum in Alabama or Mississippi on lynching. I really didn’t come to write about this, but it was in the back of my mind for the longest.

            There are times when events become part of the discussion. There are times when people become part of the discussion. But, the ideas behind the events and the ideas behind those people are what make for one great discussion.

            Disturbing images emerging from Ethiopia about innocent people being hunted down, hanged upside down, gunned down in broad daylight are becoming a pattern that the so called leaders of the country need to come out in droves to say it is wrong. PM Abiy’s quietude; Jawar Mohammed’s silence; Lemma Megersa’s disregard of these scary events, is scary. At this point, making a statement is not enough. They need to mobilize the people and tell them in no uncertain terms that these mob mentality is unacceptable. These are behaviors of no more than lumpen people with a herd mentality that need to hear from their leaders that some such actions are beyond reprehensible so they may stop it in its tracks.

            BN

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Beyan,

            I was listening to Memhir Amanuel Sahle’s brilliant brilliant article the other day where he said, in a society, what is needed is not love but justice and rule of law instead.

            And I say, one can not possibly bring St. Augustine’s “City of God” here on Earth for the supreme ruler of the former is love and justice of the latter.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Oh yes! I listened it in radio Assenna. Every piece of Amanuel is a must read articles. Look Doctore, “love”is the product of “justice”. If you want to evaluate the relationship of “love” and “justice” you just see it as the relationship between “sawed seed” and “outcome product”. When there is justice, societies tend to love each other. Love does not bring justice, but fairness does. In Ethiopian politics what is completely missed is justice. You can’t call the Ethiopian diversity to love each other, where there is no justice within the society. That is why the call for love by the PM is completely bogus and baseless. You can’t harvest love without justice.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Well said! I couldn’t agree more.

            If you can not be both, Niccolo Machiavelli once wrote, it is better to be feared than loved. He said it precisely because he had a deeper insight not only about the self-centered nature of a Man but a deeper understanding about power politics as well.

            Here at Awate U, we have exhaustively debated about human nature where the sublime nature of love in terms of true altruism ends. That is to say that, Kin Selection is at play when one shares genetic fitness where by one expresses love to those whom he or she shares close genetic markers as in siblings and close relatives.

            True altruism based on Kim Selection morphs into Reciprocal Altruism where ክገበረልካ ግበረለይ rules the society when the genetic markers become far and in between. To be more precise, the relationship between people who don’t share common and close genetics as in with in say, 100 million people, love loses its meaning and common interest becomes the common denominator. Then of course, for the common interest to struck a balance, the need for a Social Contract arises with a Rule of Law as an appendage of a Constitution.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Al-Ustath Beyan,

            A QUOTE THAT SPEAKS A LOT:

            “Some of the Oromos have now surpassed that the Haile Selassie and the Derg showed us the art of the grotesque in real terms in Edaga Hamus, Asmara; in Ona, in Keren of hanging human beings and letting them stay there for days on end. Or a body of a dead Tegadalay being dragged in a vehicle. These are stories that many Ethiopians are not only not aware, but do not even want to hear about. But, that’s the major reason if not the sole reason why Eritreans chose a separate destiny.”

            What a wonderful coincidence. One of the reasons our fathers presented for refusing unity with Ethiopia in the forties of the last century was: They are people who mutilate breasts of women, take out fetuses from their mothers’ wombs by their knives, and they kill pregnant women and children. What our fathers said in the forties of last century, the people of Eritrea have watched them practically in sixties, seventies and eighties of the last century.

            It is wonderful, how did you bring their entire practices in one paragraph. What you have written is exactly what we have heard from our fathers, and seen them practically. What our people were saying is not an illusion, but reality. We are very grateful to modern technology which documented them to watch the whole world. It seems nothing is changed there.

            I think we are not far from reality when we say Isaias and his fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት) are alien to the culture of the Eritrean people. I remember Huruy Tedla Bayru has described the regime in the same way in one of his interviews with the Sudan TV. He said that it is a regime alien to the culture of the Eritrean people. The people of Eritrea are known for their decency, graciousness, respect of human being, sympathy with the weak, respect of law, etc.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            My simple understanding as to the relationship between “individual right” and “group rights” is follows: if we believe on individual rights, it is incumbent to believe to the rights of individuals to organize as political party to address their “political grievance” or organize as social group to address their “socio-cultural grievances”. If it is individual right, it will remain to be consistent with the rights of individuals to organize however they deemed to address their rights. You can’t dictate the rights of individuals by the power holders and power interests. Collective grievances demand organizations as instrument for their goals. Justice can not come by individual rights, justice come by collective struggle. So we have to understand the inherent relationship of the two concepts.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman H and others,

            in my view there is no contention to detach the two concepts from one another and conceive and visualize each as separate discourse and then link them at some point along the developmental scale within the framework of nation-state formation. I can unequivocally agree with you both of them could be handled in accommodative government organs and political competitive formations. But the question is how to we arrive there? Is it through discourses on the premise of individual rights to lead us to group rights or is it the reverse process?

            The matter may be less problematic in the context of nation-states (multi-cultural or homogeneous) that have passed phased thresholds and reached maturity in nation and state building processes and became lands of the rule of law and social-cultural harmony. Here the emphasis rests on constitutional issues premised on individual rights where group rights occupy peripheral space like social, cultural, racial or confessional enclaves whose individual members already enjoy guaranteed rights under legal systems of their nations. This is what my dear brother, Berhe, has discussed in the example of Canada, and our saay alluded to in context of the USA (please correct me if I have misrepresented your views).

            But in the case of Eritrea, and many nations like it, we are speaking about post-colonial entities that alien forces had created by arbitrary dismemberment of societal systems that could have evolved in totally different historical processes to cultural and political state structures through conquests or migration or both. For instance, there might have Beja, Afar, Abyssinian etc. entities. Moreover, the colonialist who was merely interested in raw materials and other benefits had left those cultural and social entities in tact under the facade of suppressive and exploitative imperial administrations. They did not invest anything to let them mold to national constructs.

            The result was that at the time of their departure and so called granting of independence, the cultural and social affiliations and divides were as they had been when the colonialists showed up on the horizon. The dilemma those entities had inherited was how lay down uniform and uniting foundations for the nations and states on which allocation of rights and distribution of access to resources and power could be rest.

            It is here that the realistic discourse in which the concepts of individual and groups rights could be conceived. It is understandable that neither submission to compulsive monopolistic rulers nor dismantling the post-colonial construct can resolve the quest for rights be it individual or group. The reasonable and pacific option could avail itself when the elites reach realization that only collective solidarity can remove the hurdles erected by those who see survival and safety in dominating others with multicultural and social diversities. This is the Eritrean dilemma so far. Resolution of this challenge is the departure point to the laying down ground work for institutions based on consensually sanctified laws in charters and constitutions that would guarantee the rights of civilians as individuals or groups under a law abiding state whose core element is the loyal citizen fully aware of his obligations to the state and jealously defensive of his rights that safeguard his life and enjoyment of the fruits of work.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahalan Al-Ustath Ismael AA,

            I think there is a pivotal question in present Eritrean context that demands clear answer. Which one comes first in the rights of a citizen under an independent nation: Rights or Obligations?

            Al-Arabi

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah Ustaz Al-Arabi,

            The question you have asked explains the core essence of the contradiction between the regime and its opponents. The regime has been ruthlessly exploiting in the name of obligations to the state the labor, blood and sweat of citizens without discharging its duty of respecting their rights under duly codified legal system of government.

            Reversing this unjust relationship between the dictatorship by all means (though there has not been consensus on this) available is what the ongoing struggle is all about. The goal is to defeat the regime and win back a national space that allows the people to exercise their organized will to build an fairly accommodative legal contract between themselves and the state that guarantees rights in exchange of discharging obligations to the state.

            The current despotism is rooted in the betrayal the present regime and its leaders had committed following the end of the national struggle for self-determination during which the citizens voluntarily subordinated their rights to obligations to sacrifice and get rid of occupation. National independence was meant to herald freedom of the people to freely exercise their collective will through fair and functioning governance system anchored on the primacy of the rights of citizens.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hameed,

            I think Rights should come first, at least in our case in Eritrea. Because it’s the government which is carrying guns that’s trumping on people’s rights and not the other way around.

            I don’t actually believe there should be any concept that’s called obligation. There should be a law and the law should be respected by all citizens. If the law is broken then the state via it’s criminal / civil panel should charge or bring individuals to court.

            For example, I live in Canada and I don’t have any obligation that I must do. I don’t have to break the law, for example, I have to pay taxes if I earned income, I have to provide means to support my dependent family members (children for example), I have obey the high way traffic law, I have to respect and obey the laws of citizens, no physical or any other abuse etc.. So if any person breaks the law then there is a consequence to be paid, such as jail times, pay money, lose privileges (for driving etc)…..

            The only obligation that comes to mind is what’s called national service. Even this should NOT be an obligation but a law, and if one choses not to obey it, then there is a price to pay, jail time, or lose privileges such as study in higher education etc.

            Personally I don’t like the whole concept of the citizens should have obligation at all. You have no obligation to work if you chose to. You have no obligation to go to school if you are over 18 years old if you chose to etc ….

            Berhe

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            1) “Individual right” and “group rights” study and categorization is very challenging and frequently fluid. Probably renaming them into “individual human rights” and “group social-cultural rights” may lead to a better understanding.

            2) Every time we talk about “individual human rights” we are talking about the rights and the duties in tandem. If it helps, there is a common sayingg how this goes (quasi general): in Germany it is commonly understood “every thing is forbidden unless it is explicitly allowed”; where as in america “every thing is allowed unless it is explicitly forbidden”. The bottom line a) there is no limit in regards to “individual human rights” as far as he did not violate other “individuals” or “citizens” rights and duties–since every one is the same under the governing national law.

            3) the “group social-cultural rights” were historically the “corner stones” for individual private citizen life.

            3.1)Take birth, marriage, work and earn, death, … in the pre-industrial nations (in its rudimentary form take the rural communities north and south of Mereb). Imagine how an individual or a family could survive there without a solid and working interconnection in the group. it is virtually impossible; so every individual have to almost always invoke his “group cultural rights” to survive and strive.

            3.2) if you take the urban dwellers in the two countries, the “group social-cultural rights” are not as “tight and life defining” as the rural people life.

            3.3) take the other private people who migrated to Industrialized nations, like Europe and americas, for sake of better opportunity or any driving factor. Their “group social-cultural” identity is even less magnificent than in 3.2).

            4) as we move from 3.1) to 3.3) the importance of “individual human rights will become the only necessary and sufficient condition to freely work and strive in a person’s day to day life.

            5) a challenging aspect of “group cultural rights” is the way it functions.

            5.1) almost always there is a process of acceptance, assimilation, rejection, or purging process,

            5.2) It didn’t necessarily acknowledge or accommodate the other groups inherently as a built in dynamics.

            6) it may be possible to postulate the “individual human rights” as the driving force for any social transformation and the driving MODERN economic growth–hence the Universal Set, while “the group cultural rights” are SUBSETS of the first.

            Thanks,

          • ALI-S

            Hello Emma and all,

            I read the comments on the thread. I admire your clear vision of the distinction and the importance of terminology such as “social groups” as units. SAAY and Berhe connected to the literature on the subject and Beyan’s reference to efforts by Eritrean activists to come up with something (Beyan any links to access the Denver events). Ismael’s input on the importance of institutional settings and their impact of delivering rights also added another layer.

            In my opinion I think we have a consensus on the subject. I am on SAAY’s train on this subject agreeing that the only rights which should have enforceable entitlements that the state is obliged to deliver are the natural rights (the “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness” agenda). We all seem to agree that the only human right is the natural right and the only entity that is entitled to state administered human right is the individual as universal citizen of the state.

            With permission from Ismael we may modify his idea that our discussion of the “social group” is necessitated by institutional impediments to the state’s ability to deliver the natural rights to individuals. Ismael says it is partly because of colonial legacy, others including myself may see the reason as being more local. In either case, both sides concur with the institutional challenges of the delivery mechanism.

            In my opinion, and I agree with SAAY that God does not create groups in His image, no group, including an ethnic group, can feasibly claim entitlement to of the natural rights simply because ‘group’ is not natural. That’s why I think we mislead ourselves when we use terminology such as such as ‘social group’ in the context of entitlement to rights whether human or social.

            In the context of Eritrea, (so that we do not confuse the ethnic/religious rights movement with human rights activism) what the ‘social groups’ are demanding has nothing to do with the quantity and quality of natural rights delivered by the state as is the case with the human rights movement. The agenda of the Eritrean (for that matter all) ethnic/religious (social group) movement is about entitlement to equality of access to whatever quantity and quality of natural rights that the state might be delivering.

            In other words, they carry a political agenda that has more to do with institutional reform premised on the fact that the mechanism that delivers the rights to individuals in less than perfect and hence rigged or manipulated.

            I think we should also note that while natural rights are permanent and will be around to eternity, social group rights are transitory. Natural rights as a political agenda can only disappear is the state becomes so perfect that no individual raises issue. Social group rights on the other hand are tied to factors that are predictably temporary in nature, such as the existence of the social as group.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ali-S,

            Politics is not natural. Politics is artificial mechanics of governing societies. Politics is about how to administer society. Politics is how to govern various interests of diversified society. Governments are evils, for usually they serve to the interest of power holders. We agree “individual rights” are universal rights. But, individual rights in themselves does not solve the interest of the “units” what we call them the “social group” for the purposes of our debate – the building blocks of a given society of a nation.

            Now back to our Eritrea. The Eritrean people like all in the third world countries, can not be taken in par with the developed countries, like US, Canada…etc. let alone in Eritrea, the “individual right” in themselves can not address the diversity problem in the US. Look how US Government are trying to control immigration that affects the white majority – the governing race.

            Eritrea today is governed by one “social group”. The governing social group consider themselves that the governing role belongs to them. The “individual rights” without “group rights” always brings the tyranny of the majority. Individual rights does not serve to the interest of the minorities. In our case the “politics of diversity” and the “politics of equitable sharing” is the panacea to the Eritrean politics.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Experts tell us that, Politics is the art of the possible. That as it may, the pronouncement seems to me a bit of a blur for it is an intention and lacking in substance.

            If it is an art of the possible, one can assume that, it is an art of compromise to the very least. Then the question arises to investigate the antagonists where politics navigates to strike a balance as in a compromising point. It seems to me, the antagonists are Liberalism and Democracy.

            Here is my contention to your assertion where you said, Politics is a Man made or as you put it artificial. I say, when Liberalism is a natural phenomena, Democracy on the other hand is a social construct. That is to say that, Liberalism is centered on Individual Freedom for Man is born free unconstrained but driven by the Free Will. Democracy is centered on the idea of One Man, One Vote.

            Let me push the argument a bit further: If you are born Free, what can possibly stop you from doing what ever you wish to do? Say, what can possibly stop you from stealing someone else’s “property”? In principle, nothing should stop you including infringing on the “Rights” of others. The free reign to do what ever you want, however, comes with a caveat. There is a huge price to pay.

            Let’s go back in history when world population was 100. And suppose, there was this one guy who was physically imposing and strong and he goes around and subjugates the rest of the 99. They all try to fight him back but he eventually kills all of them. The price of his unconstrained freedom is the life of unbearable loneliness. He can not live alone. He needs people. And he needs to curtail his naturally given freedom in order to live with people. He needs to compromise! That is where politics comes in. The rest is of course an intellectual exercise whether a Leviathan is needed or Government for the People, by the People as in One Man One Vote. In essence, the most effective governments are those who find the balancing point between Liberalism and Democracy for they are antagonists in terms. I find the “Governments are evil” on your part a bit of a stretch.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I beg to differ on your conceptual understanding that says “Liberalism is natural phenomena”. All “isms” that include “liberalism” are philosophical concepts in the overall theory of cognition. Liberalism is political doctrine. “The aim of ‘political liberalism’ is not to add yet another sectarian doctrine, but to provide a political framework that is neutral between such controversial comprehensive doctrines” (Larmore, 1996: 121). Liberal theories constitute full blown philosophical system. Though Liberalism is primarly a political theory, it has been associated with broader theories of ethics, value and society. Liberalism can not rid itself of all controversial metaphysical (Hampton, 1989) or epistemological (Raz, 1990) commitments.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Well, I am reading two aspects of Liberalism according the literature you referenced.

            1. Liberalism with in the area of Ethics, Values and Society.

            2. Liberalism that can not free itself of metaphysical and epistemological threads.

            These are not only broad but applications of Liberalism where it is ubiquitous in social dynamism. That is to say, it becomes a political theory in relation to the factors that influence discourses in society as in, for instance, with respect to Ethics and Values.

            Should a citizen be allowed to follow and observe his own norms and customs which seems offensive to the society he lives in, for instance? And by the same token, values as well. Let me illustrate: Should someone be allowed to exercise the right to die, should one opts to end his or her painful life due to a terminal illness. Perhaps, the conservative society he or she lives in may not grant it but he or she has to have the right to do what they will with their own life. That is the heart and core of Liberalism. And it only becomes political and social construct relative to other social dynamics as in the above cited example about mercy-killing.

            Metaphysical certainly is ontological in the sense that, it delves into the fundamental questions of Being and Becoming. Again, the author you cited seems to agree with the fundamental tenets of Liberalism where it is again, the Freedom of Being and Becoming as one sees it fit with out outside constraints—Democracy and other socially constructed political institutions.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Ustaz Ali-S,

            It is pleasure that you could make a simplified critical sum-up of what several of us have exchanged on this vital issue. I am glad you could find more converging than diverging ideas. The difference between natural and group rights is interestingly relevant. In the final analysis people who are destined to live and exist in modern nation-states within national economy melt down to individual citizens with rights and duties under transcendent national identity.

            Eritreans do aspire to transform their post-colonial polity to a functioning nation-state. Its ultimate mission is supposed to be delivering and safeguarding rights of all its citizens in equality through institutions whose qualification for fairness would contribute to universal citizenship through diminishing of internal divides that shield group peculiarities.

            In my view, these latter entities are they in Eritrea or similar conditions elsewhere, are still real: reason why you have cited them as obstacles to state functions. Their members as prototype national rights individuals who add up to constitute collectivized socio-cultural communities with the post-colonial state bequeathed to us Eritreans from former colonial rulers or later annexationists. Their claims and mindsets are deeply rooted in ownership and belonging to a natural endowed crucial asset: Land. Each component that was arbitrarily joined to the colonial polity by way dismemberment possesses land and what exists on, above or beneath the surface. Loyalty to the nation-state and conduct of whoever governs it is measured by how fairly access resources and benefits from state assets are distributed. The crux of the contradiction between of socio-cultural entities and state lies in who monopolizes authority under the state and how, and to whose benefit, it is deployed. The struggle to keep the status quo and alter it has remained the scourge that hampered nation and state building in Eritrea and other places with similar demographic and socio-cultural set ups.

            The essence and intent of the opposition vs regime contradiction in Eritrea during the past two and more decades is how to rectify this defect the state suffers from. The regime and its power base being on the defending side, and the marginalized lot expressing themselves in many forms and shades – secular, ethnic and confessional. Stagnation and even regression of the nation and state building will sustain as long as this dilemma will remain unresolved. Military-cum-spy network system cannot tackle such structural handicap. No amount of group jingoism would stem off or diminish demand for rights on individual or group levels.

          • Beyan

            Selam Ali-S.,

            This is one of monumental import conversation you are engaging awatawyan in. Wish if it could have front-page privilege, because there is a great deal that we can glean lessons from the current events taking place in Ethiopia vis-a-vis killils, regions, ethnic strifes, etc. I see below Ismail AA has already penning his response to you. I will come back with my own two cents worth, time permitting.

            Meanwhile, thanks for asking about the Denver and Atlanta Festival that I have been promoting. My hope is that people-centered message goes to Geneva next. Here are the links to the tigrinya version of the document presented and the Arabic version. There is also an English version. For now, here are the two:

            https://assenna.com/ናይ-2018-ፈስቲቫላት-ኤርትራ-ኣብ-ኣትላንታን-ደ/

          • saay7

            Selamat Ali S:

            I think this probably require you and Emma to co-write an article that we can then comment as I think it might present us with an opportunity to debate and seek clarification on.

            Here is my take:

            1. The concept of “rights” as we know them now are a construct of “Western civilization” and the intellectuals who influenced the American Revolution. They considered rights as natural, given to each human being at birth. The argument that human beings were created in the image of God, and each human being has a soul is a deeply Christian view, with some (proponents of American exceptionalism) arguing its actually Puritanical Christian view.

            2. What matters is what it means in the Eritrean context. For that we need to look at what Eritreans traditions and religions say. And here I would argue, that “rights” are described using not the tools (“rights”) but the desired outcome: dignity. (In Islam, God says leqed keremna beni Adem… (“We have dignified the son of Adam”). That is dignity is bestowed on humanity and not an adherent of a special faith. Man is born digified and anything that violates that defies Gods law.

            And what does dignity mean? Not freedom of speech, assembly, thought, etc. it means honoring the sanctity of life: no torture, no starvation, no homelessness, no lack of healthcare, no refugee camps, no breakup of the family unit, no forced conscription, no disappearance, no disrespect….

            The challenge for the Eritrean intellectual is to harmonize both in a way that harmonizes both.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saay,
            Would you agree that groups of people may organize and struggle in a united form when they feel certain policies or decisions violate their dignity and they cannot fight to rectify it individually?

          • saay7

            Hi SGJ:

            In theory, yes; but in practice–since it is always within the context of State of stability–political theorists say ethnic organizations lead to ethnic parties which lead to state instability. They have a term for it: “ethnic bidding.” A very short example of “ethnic bidding” is here:

            https://www.vox.com/world/2015/12/10/9881876/trump-muslims-ethnic-outbidding

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            I agree, politicians always depend on numbers and they do not care what kind of grouping they entice as long as it gives them the numbers. But that is only the negative side. I am asking to read your views from the perspective and interest of the grieved side. Can we condemn group (any group) that organizes itself to protect its interest (dignity) even if that organization risks being exploited by politicians? What is the reconciling proposal as you see it? Talking about “Dimtsachin yessema” movement, you remember they had genuine grievances but yet there were elements that wanted to ride the wave and hijack the movement and on the other side, the government had an excuse: preventing extremist (Muslim ideologues) exploiting the movement–the stability factor. But in essence, the movement had grievances that were lost in the struggle between those who wanted to take advantage of the movement. What should the balance be in such case?

          • saay7

            Abu Salah:

            How would I know, I am just a writer, not a politician:) D’ana meskin.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            I agree. You are just a meskin “political writer” 🙂
            All I wanted to say was, the benefit of the doubt should be given to all, equally. Particularly if the group grievances are well documented and witnessed by a large segment of the people. Remember I am also the most meskinest person when it comes to Boletika. It’s just that your exchange made me curious to learn more. And I would like the help of everyone here to understand how we should go about the issue of individual/social rights. I believe that is the least understood (misunderstood) topic).

            Thanks anyway.

          • saay7

            Haha Abu Selah:

            The way forward is for people who tend to think a lot about this subject (Emma, Ali Salim, etc) to write an article and then the publisher gives the moderators super-duper-admin rights for that post only so we can tell the usual suspects that the park is closed and this way the thoughtful people who are turned off by Hammed-Glul and Gebre-Xlul can contribute thoughtful ideas.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            I think I can convince the publisher, he is a good friend. You take the task of convincing those you named to do it. And let’s see if that can bring some sanity and responsibility to those who knowingly (KNOWINGLY) and unknowingly disrupters discussions. Particularly those who cannot write a single sentence unless it started with Weyane and finishes with it. They remind me of the gedli era catchphrase, “Adharharti” to which someone replied: these people, even if Marx comes and disagree with them on anything they would call blurt, “abey znebere adHarHari eyyu ‘zi khe!”

          • ALI-S

            Hello Emma and SAAY,

            Very interesting thread. I like Emma’s definition of individual vs group rights and how each is invoked to revoke the other. While they may not be mutually but as Emma said they are exploited by mutually exclusive political agendas.

            I also like your innovation SAAY to re-classify classical universal i.e. individual rights such as “right of the child (a universal instrument), gender parity (universal goal), right of disabled (universal)”, as group rights. I think that risks falling into Emma’s trap of using the right means for the wrong ends.

            The way I would see the distinction is that:

            – individual rights have no walls i.e. any citizen who falls into a random distribution of a criteria (such as child and disabled) qualifies for the protection

            – group rights are walls built on the assumption that a certain criteria (such as ethnicity and race) have no universal random distribition

          • Beyan

            Selam Gentlemen,

            I concur. This is fascinating topic, to say the least. Ali-S, your observation of the discussion between Aman H and Sal Y is an astute one. Just like the way I read awate comments that seem to have “random distribution”, with no discernible rhyme or reason, rests in whatever comments happen to be on the sidebar/the margins of the frontage is what I read; and whatever thread that catches my fancy is what I follow . At the outset of your entry, stating, “interesting thread” caught my attention. So I read on.

            Here is the rub. When you added your perspective to the subject matter, you stated that, “group rights are walls built on the assumption that a certain criteria (such as ethnicity and race) have no universal random distribution”. I wonder if you can elaborate on this. I don’t want to second guess as to where you were headed with this or where it’s emanating from.

            Kindly,
            Beyan

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah Beyan,
            It is fine that the gentlemen have raised an issue very much relevant to us as Eritreans. We are back to domestic affairs. Now, your input is very much awaited. And where are Yohannes Zerai, Halie TG, SJ, Paulos and many sharp thinkers?

          • ALI-S

            Selam Beyan

            It is an interesting topic and I support the ideas of SAAY and Emma that we have a dedicated exchange of ideas on the topic.

            Needless to say I’m one of your big fans and thanks Ismael for the balanced article of the future of the new developments.

            To clarify my point Beyan, I know you are The Linguist here so help me. Is it true that the word ethnic refers to a unity (one) and not to a plural of individuals? Assuming the answer is yes, randomness stops when the sample size is one. When we speak about eight ethnic groups in Eritrea we are speaking about 8 legal personalities not about 4 million individuals. The probability that you belong to at least 1 ethnic group in Eritrea is 1. The probability that you are a disabled is 1 in 4 million or close enough.

            That’s where the idea that we can not equate things that most probably will never happen to an Eritrean such as disability with things that happen with certainty such as ethnicity.

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah Ustaz Ali,
            This is profound postulate that stimulates the urge of those who have sharp scalpels in their arsenal to dissect it. It presents Eritrea’s dilemma in caricaturized formulation.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ali Salim [Mr U-Turn or Zig-Zag],

            You said: “randomness stops when the sample size is one.”

            You are mistaken. You can have a random sample of size 1.

            See you later, at the roundabout.

          • ALI-S

            Selam Simon

            Good point but the numbers mentioned in the comment refer to the target population and not to the sample drawn from that population. The smallest I know of so far is drawing head or tail from a population of 2.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam ALi,

            Speaking about “units” in terms of “Ethnics” what I prefer to call them “social groups,” depends on our point of reference in our debate. It can be referred as a “unit one” or as a “group”. When we talk about many “Social groups” one group is referred as “unit one” and hence the term “individual”. Since “Social groups” are also a composition of individuals of the same cultural background in terms of language, customs, and way of life collectively, they are referred as “groups”. It can be easily identified in our debate as to how we use them. In our politics, for all intend and purposes are always referred as units of “social groups,” especially, when the politics of marginalization is prevalent.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ali-S:

            I think when I was writing about the African Commission on Human & People’s Rights (ACHPR), I said that when African intellectuals gathered to write Africa’s bill of rights, they said that they would neither copy the European interpretation of human rights, nor be original for the sake of originality. And they came up with something that recognizes rights the way Europeans do (individual), but then added to it Africa’s supposedly collectivist/group value system (group) and then imposed (cover your eyes, Berhe) duties and obligations that the citizens (individuals and groups) have. This group right is now not just a feature of the African Union but also United Nations which recognizes “group rights” as universal and their violation as contrary to international law.

            There are two hold-outs to group rights:

            1. The United States and its American exceptionalism. Its declaration of independence says that rights emanate from God. And since God does not create groups in his image, nor does He give soul to groups, rights are only individual. They are “natural rights.” Of course, like everything else, this is being chipped at from many angles–that would drive any libertarian crazy.

            2. Statists. These are people who believe that any sort of group organization poses a threat to the State and the more “vertical” the grouping is (rigid, unchangeable grouping like ethnicity and religion) the big of a threat it is. Of course, tyrants anywhere and everywhere who want to consolidate power are terrified of any power center (tribal chief, patriarch, mufti) that can create competing loyalty. Statists include communists and all other adherents of authoritarianism.

            I will let Bayan now answer all the knotty questions:)

            saay

          • saay7

            Selam AS:

            You got me. Women’s rights, right of the child, right of the disable are not “group rights” but “group differentiated rights” and while EriTV will report that “150 students of whom 47 are female graduated from Halhale College” it won’t say “150 students of whom 0 are Afar ethnic group” for many reasons.

            If we are going to discuss this, (1) we should probably create a completely different thread (2) modify the posting guidelines for that discussion only so I can block stupid comments from Hanquelty whose sole intent will be to hijack the discussion.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma, Saay, AS, Ismael and all,

            I know I can contribute very little to the topic, but what I would like to say is, before we engage in search of “individual / group rights” and craft our own, I think we should research and what’s out there that’s considered to work and meet most of our needs with little or modification to our specific case. What comes as an example to me personally is

            1) Universal Declaration of Human Rights
            2) Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

            The first one I think covers most of the individual rights. If there is anything that does not apply to our case, we can add /remove the items as necessary.

            The second one, I see it has worked well for countries like Canada which are build based on immigrants who come from different walks of life, with different cultures, religion, language etc.

            I would assume countries like India may have more relevant rights and freedoms which is similar to our make up.

            But generally speaking, I think we should be careful in trying to provide remedies and solutions that we think of problems that exist.

            For example, if we take Ethiopia say two years ago, the debate from those in power EPRDF was, they thought they will be in power for ever and to calm down the unrest in the country, they would have to “open up” and give “opportunity” or modify the constitution to be “representative such as proportional representations” etc.

            None of that made any sense to me because my fundamental disagreement was, who is to give and who is to ask? If the country is equal to everyone and people have the chance to “freely elect” their representatives, then there should be no problem for the people to accept the outcome of “fair and free” elections.

            When we look at Eritrea case, and when we try to sensitive to group rights, we need to ask our selves, who is to “Ask” and who is to ‘Give”.

            I think we should start to believe that everyone has equal rights in the country in the first place. And if we start with this basis, then we should leave it to our courts to figure out for any rights that we fail to identify and add as needed.

            Berhe

          • Beyan

            Selam Berhe and all,

            The first of the two points you enumerated above is precisely what the eight Eritrean mhurat presented at the Denver Festival and that’s exactly what they did by taking the same message to Atlanta. My last article here at awate dealt with that issue. My hope is that UN’s (1948) Universal Declaration of Human Rights plus five principles that they added to it goest to Geneva to see if these basic rights can become a rallying cry that cement the Eritrean opposition groups under one common umbrella of rights. Now, the Tigrinya version of these mhuran Eritreans’ document is published at assenna under the title “ናይ 2018 ፈስቲቫላት ኤርትራ ኣብ ኣትላንታን ደንቨርን”. The Arabic version is ready to be published in the Arabic languages hosting websites.

            So, Berhe, your assertion is on point. Eritreans are lacking these basic rights. Use those that will bring all together. Thereafter, as was aptly stipulated by several forumers, once the regime in Eritrea either opens up or is forced to do so, the social contract, the rule of law, the constitution, many important institutional infrastructures, etc. can be instituted.

            BN

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Beyan,

            Thank you very much. I am so biased:) towards AT, this is the only website that I can dedicate to spend time reading / looking for important stuff. Not that the others are not important, it’s just a matter of priority.

            I will take time to read the articles you mentioned. I read your article but I didn’t get back to it to read the papers presented.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            Here’s the catch 22 that Emma refers to as “mistrust of the social groups”:

            The individual rightists say: if by group rights you mean a way to create an Eritrea that will be very different from the unitary state I know and love and will be on its path to the way Ethiopia appears to be heading, then I want no part of it and I won’t work with you.

            The group rightists say: if by individual rights only, you mean to perpetuate the hegemony of status quo and replace one head of state by another and just tinker around the edges while I am watching my group be marginalized to second class or on the edge of extinction, then I want no part of it and I won’t work with you.

            There are many ways to bridge this, and all that is needed are wise people of goodwill. And I have no doubt, none at all, we will get there once we get all the wise people with goodwill to assert themselves and tell those with exclusionary views and the ultimatum-givers to sit down.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            I like the way you framed on the argument we are in. But if the “individual rightist” are scared from being fallen in to the path of Ethiopian politics, we can tell them that we are not prescribing Ethnic Federalism for Eritrea. What we are looking is “DUG” that gives power sharing at the “legislative level” of the government, by creating a bicameral legislative body, while leaving the executive body for our “pluralistic parties” to compete and occupy the office of the executive, be it a presidential or premiership. So there is no worries on our quest.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Aya Adi-U,

            Pls create a new thread for this issue. This is an issue of great importance in our politics. It is related with the grievances of our social groups, the politics of diversity and power sharing. For me it is a subject of my interest in our politics.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            As you know, all comments are linked to a story (news, editorial, column) and that’s the only way it will work: maybe you should write a short article presenting your point of view and then we will comment on it.

            saay

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam saay,

            The only rights that exist are Individual Rights. The so called Group Rights are only organised [like trade unions] forms of Individual Rights, but with a better bargaining clout.

            These Groups are based on some perceived grievance and one or more criteria such as being a woman, disabled, having a certain ethnicity, religion, skilled/unskilled trade, or these days belonging to some self-proclaimed weird classifications.

            The claim for Group Rights are mostly amplified by a vocal minority, an elite, that are members of a given group.

          • saay7

            Selamat Simon:

            “The only rights that exist are individual rights” is a very American view. Leaving group rights aside for now, why do individuals have rights? Americans (their elite actually) said it’s because God gave it to them at birth. If you don’t believe in God, what is the basis for arguing individuals have rights?

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            I don’t know in the US the details but for example in Canada, there is Aboriginal rights. This case make sense to me because the Europeans (British / French) came and they were taking over the land and the resources (because they have guns).

            So when we speak group rights in Canada, it’s always about rights that are to be given from those who have power to those who doesn’t. In this case the English / French to the others.

            In Eritrea I don’t think it’s the case. Who is going to ask (those with less power) from those (who have power).

            I will be lying if I don’t know the obvious in the current ruling in Eritrea (majority are christians and Tigrinya ethnic group).

            What I am trying to say is, asking these group to give you “group right” is totally wrong. It’s not up to them to give anything ad it’s wrong to ask them.

            If the individual rights are taken care of by institutions such as courts / justice then the need for group rights become redundant in our case and our country.

            In other words, as a Christian Tigrinya speaking Eritrean, I should be great full if Eritrea is ruled by Ibrahim or Hagos, by Christian or Muslim, by Kunama or Tigre as long as my rights and freedoms are respected.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam saay,

            True, it is also the view of the French [thanks to Napoleon, the greatest] who inspired the Americans.

            Individual Rights are based on reason. Each individual is worth the same. It is like saying the exchange rate of all currencies, for example, £1=$1=€1=¥1 are equal.

            Abraham Lincoln said something to the effect: “As I do not want to be a slave, I do not want to make someone a slave”.

      • Paulos

        Solomon,

        These ungrateful lot are determined to hate TPLF and I suggest no sweat and just wait till they beg TPLF to save their burning sorry azz. Already the narrative is changing. So much!

        • woldeab

          Selam Paulo’s,
          Time and time again, some people have shown that TPLF is a mirror image of PFDJ.
          The problems that have created the” burning sorry azzes “( how erudite coming from a person who is always ready to show off his intellectual mettle)were put in place by none other than your hero Meles.
          Whether you like it or not, history will not treat him any better than he is being treated by many in the TPLF now.
          Regards,
          Woldeab

          • Abi

            Hi Woldeab
            There is a huge difference between an educated individual and an instructed one . Paul is a textbook example of the latter.
            የጋሪ ፈረስ

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Abi

            Possible but I think there might be personal reasons. He does show tremendous brand loyalty. And in my humble opinion I dont think it’s simply because he has no skin in the game as they say. Far too intelligent for that. Btw speaking of intelligence have you noticed an inverse correlation between IQ and wealth in Addis? And I am really starting to worry too many of the newly crowned oromara elite come from the wealthy classes. And even worse another of their other unfortunate flaws is limitless adarbaynet. Hopefully Abiy is choosing his inner circle carefully.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            We were sent to school regardless for how many years, for a reason and for one reason only—to see the things influence our lives objectively and to think critically as well. No brand of loyalty but assessing the clear and present or past realities through objective and realistic parameters.

            Wealth inversely proportional to intelligence? As in, in Addis, the road to rags is brainy and to riches is idiocy? Man, that sure is original!

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Witnessing an 8 yr old being hunted by a druganov at 200 meters? Are these your parameters? Lets not fool ourselves. Like the man said intrastructure not infrastructure

          • Paulos

            Weldeab,

            Time will tell.

      • Selam Solomon,

        About the extreme elements you mentioned, let me ask myself a question or two and give you my personal answer. Do i trust jawar the islamist, who said in the past “we are 99% muslim in our area, and if they raise their head we will chop it off, + ethiopia, get out of oromia”, and maybe other things? No, i don’t trust him. Nevertheless, i believe that PMAA is obliged to work with him, if he has to control the olf and its followers. Some may say he is changed. I don’t believe in miracles, maybe he has watered his extreme position to a certain extent, because he may have come to the point that independent muslim oromia is not after all a tangible possibility.

        Whatabout B.N.? As much as i am concerned (could be wrong), i see him as an opportunist. Again, PMAA should take him under the ethiopian tent, whether he likes it or not, as long as his major target is peace and reconciliation. This should not terrorize ethiopians in any way. If they came believing in peace and reconciliation, reconciliation should come from their side too. Otherwise, they can’t be part of the united ethiopian equation.

        Young oromos who mistakenly believe that they have won the day and they are now masters and they take the law into their own hands, should be controlled and advised by jawar and other oromo leaders and by the ethiopian government, that there is a government with laws, they can’t replace it in anyway imaginable, and the government will implement the law without any ambiguity. Therefore, it is my belief that ethiopia will not get out of control descending into a complete chaotic situation, and calm will come. What we see is the pain of labor for the birth of a new ethiopia.

        Of course, the constitution should be respected, but it doesn’t mean it should not be amended. Ethnic federal ethiopia has come to a crossroad, is it time to examine the feasibility of another system, as saay said, having in mind that ethnic federalism is not serving the diverse peoples of ethiopia anymore as many of us believed at the start? As much as ethnic federalism is concerned, i believe that we are in a quagmire. Damned if ethiopia dumps ethnic federalism, and equally damned if she does not. Ethnicism is a drug to which ethiopians are addicted. God will help ethiopia to overcome it.

        Unfortunately, history is sometimes repeated. Those who in the past said that their movement was anti-amhara are tasting the same medicine in their turn. It was wrong then, and today’s phenomenon of alienating tigrayans is equally wrong, and ethiopians should work for an ethiopia that belongs equally to all her people.

        • Solomon

          Selam Horizon,

          I agree with all your points. More or less that is what I was trying to convey about the dangers that is looming in our country. PM Abiy should take some steps now to show there is rule of law in the country. The defense Force must be confident and strong than ever before at this time. Because you never know with all the different poletical groups vying for power come next election you never know what will happen. A strong defense Force is a must.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Solomon,

        I agree with your comment, at least looking at the meetings, the open discussions, the open criticism that’s happening in the Tigray and within TPLF is very encouraging that they are ready for change and they are ready for peaceful change. I heard the interview of Debresion with VOA and he clarified his speech specifically what he said in terms of “ተኸባቢርካ ምንባር እዩ or something”, and it’s important that all comes out in the open….And it’s very important the assurance he gave that at TPLF / Tigray level they are doing all they can to make sure peace is reliazed with Eritrea, including the recent contacts the military of both countries have made.

        One thing I agree with you though, specially listening those hard core PFDJ supporters, be it online or in person is that they are not satisfied with the current progress and they are pushing their own new agenda. Now mind you, all these people are the same people who were pushing, demarcation first negotiation after. Here is some of the new demands that I heard.

        1) The TPLF must be destroyed.
        2) Eritrea will not demobilized and make change until TPLF is still in power.
        3) The TPLF who stole lots of money and cash are hiding in Mekele. And the money they stole must be returned and those people need to go to jail.

        Now all the sudden they have become real supporters of Ethiopia and they care more for it’s well being. This is off course a trick….because they want to find justification WHY is Eritrea not releasing prisoners, inviting opposition, ending endless national service etc.

        The problem is, IA is really ahead of them. Just like he surprised them with the peace with getting nothing back in return, he will also surprise them with opening the boarder with nothing back in return.

        Berhe

        • Hope

          GM Berhe:

          Let me quote you here:
          FACT #1
          “1) The TPLF must be destroyed.
          2) Eritrea will not demobilized and make change until TPLF is still in power.
          3) The TPLF who stole lots of money and cash are hiding in Mekele. And the money they stole must be returned and those people need to go to jail.”

          THIS IS A FACT EVERY ERITREAN AND ETHIOPIAN AGREE(S).

          Fact #2:

          “Now all the sudden they have become real supporters of Ethiopia and they care more for it’s well being. This is off course a trick….because they want to find justification WHY is Eritrea not releasing prisoners, inviting opposition, ending endless national service etc.”.

          It is relatively true that the PFDJ Leadership in particular and the Eritreans in general support Ethiopians and they have proven it repeatedly!

          But I agree partially and cautiously that the PFDJ Leadership might want to keep the status quo,which it CANNOT any more.

          But another factual “fact” is that the TPLF has remained a major obstacle to peace—in their own words and deeds,hence,the “justification” to hold back the Demarcation until Ethiopia is stabilized holds some water/truth BASED ON THE FACTS ON THE GROUND AND SOME EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS’.

          Hint:

          Read the latest news about the Somali Region mess and why.

          You cant be more Catholic than the Pope and judge things sitting in a comfort zone in the heart of Toronto-13k miles away.

          You confidently declared:

          “The problem is, IA is really ahead of them. Just like he surprised them with the peace with getting nothing back in return, he will also surprise them with opening the boarder with nothing back in return:”.

          How do you know that?

          If that is the case, isn’t the EXECUTION of Demarcation Process” one of the Five Pillars?

          Rest assured that the Demarcation SHALL Take place with some minors hiccups and changes.

          Let their Irob go to them and let out Burrie and Tserona areas get back to us as they belong to us any way.

          No need to argue about Baduma.

          You know all the facts above and as to who the major Culprit and OBSTACLE is but you et all keep choosing to stay/be ‘Blind and Deaf”….simply coz you HATE the PFDJ.

          Your accusation saying:”

          “One thing I agree with you though, specially listening those hard core PFDJ supporters, be it online or in person is that they are not satisfied with the current progress and they are pushing their own new agenda. Now mind you, all these people are the same people who were pushing, demarcation first negotiation after. Here is some of the new demands that I heard.”
          Is but unreasonable.

          • Blink

            Dear Hope
            I think the demarcation must go in to action when the TPLF lunatics get some sense of peace dividend to Tigray, up until now they have been saying people in the border can solve the border issues and I guess the Korean dancer is adjusting to the normal process.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            Are you agreeing with those PFDJ and you are giving the PFDJ a break from making changes inside Eritrea. If the TPLF stole money or not, if they need to be in power or not, it’s up to the Ethiopian people and the Tigray people to decide to change.

            So with PFDJ it’s always አዲአ ገዲፋ ሓትኖአ ትናፍቕ. Yesterday it was Somali, today it’s Ethiopia, and tomorrow it will be Sudan people…but never Eritrean people.

            Berhe

      • Aligaz G

        Solomon

        Two questions:

        1. Why do you think people hate tplf so much?
        2. Do you consider an attack on tplf an attack on tigreans and vice versa?

        • Paulos

          Aligaz,

          Wrong! It ain’t hate. It is pure jealousy! Isaias is consumed with jealousy the fact that after 30 years, all he got was a small country for his over size ego. The elite Amaras and Oromos are jealous the fact that the remarkable change in Ethiopia didn’t come through them but TPLF made it possible! It is as simple as that.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Do u know the “remarkable change” by far is in addis, amara kilil and oromai than tigrai ? Forget the media narration that aim to counter ur jealousy(to counter the chauvinist narration)but the reality on the ground showed otherwise.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear friend

            You can see above where Solomon wrote that people hate the tplf so much which is why I addressed my question to him. I already know your feelings on this topic.

            cheers

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Aligaz,

          If the attack on Tigray people who lived in the Oromo kilil and in Gonder (Amhara kilil) by the residents of the kilils, and their property are burned to the ground, then if that does not amount an attack for both, then what is it?

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Amanuel

            The attacks on Tigreans in Oromia and Gonder are hate crimes pure and simple. Similarily the much more numerous attacks on Oromos, Amaras Wolyata and Somalis are also hate crimes. All attacks based on ethnicity are hate crimes. As we speak one million oromos are IDPs. It’s a horrible situation for all but certain groups who dread the diminished role of tplf are magnifying and preying on the fears of tigreans for political purposes. This is the ultimate end result of ethnic politics run amok.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz g
            The attacks on tigraians in gonder r not hate crimes, actually almost all tigraians in gonder was working with the tplf(including military training ).so the attack on tigraians in gonder was the attacks on tplf. But u can call it whatever u want to call it, it doesn’t matter.

          • Aligaz G

            Teodros

            You are standing on the edge of a very slippery slope. Maybe you have very specific and accurate information for each individual attack but extrajudicial vigilante attacks based on ethnicity defines hate crimes. And if persistent and widespread enough genocide. Is that where we want to go as a nation?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz g
            1st, i don’t think u know anything about the attacks except u probably read some hate speech in aigaforum, tigrai online or from somekind of tplfist. 2nd, i don’t think u know anything about N gondar.3rd, those people r not civilians, like i said some of them giving military training to kemant people and a lot of them were collaborators.
            But still even now, there r the biggest number of tigraians live in gonder , maybe next to addis.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            Now then, when was the last time that your ethnic group won a war?

            War, meaning armed confrontation and not killing unarmed civilians.

            Even killing unarmed soldiers is cowardly, which is your characteristic trait.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            All of our history.
            Being coward and acting as if u r one of us and stabbing from behind is ur history.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            Mention one last war by name.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            How u think ethiopia r independent nation?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            If you are an Amhara, you have never won a war by yourself.

            If you think you have, give us the name of the last war you won.

            If you are an Oromo, forget it, because you are just like a child having tantrums and throwing toys out of the pram.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            Like i said, being coward, denial, stabbing from behind is ur true nature and history. How u think ethiopia itself created? Ruled?
            Ok my turn, when was the last time tigrai won a war by itself? Remember stabbing from behind is not wining,Or being a sidekick is not wining.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            You see, you cannot name one last war you won. Simply bragging Zeraf, Zeraf will not make you a warrior.

            If you are able to mention one single last war, I will write the list of wars Eritreans and Tigrayans won.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            Now u mention eritrea, because u were sidekick of eritrea and there r none that u can mention on ur own. All ur history showed, u people r coward, being sidkick and than stabbing fellow country man from behind. U people also did samething to eritrea.
            And i told u already, do u think ethiopia created and stay independent by peace?

          • Girmay

            Hi, Teddy I am not going to join the war debate. I am here basically for your last statement you made. You said the inocent Tigreans killed were Tplf. But yet the whole world new that they were not armed.
            I think you should be forgiven for what you said . I notice most of the time you have no clue what you are saying because your big belly is covering the computer screen.
            Instead of talking racist politics call Jenny Craig, and loose some weight so you could see what you are typing. This means for big Teddy the number one politics should figuring out weather to eat big mack or cheese burger. Solve this problem first then come type your foolish hateful messages.
            Ok have a big burger day

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam girmay
            Certainly am not malnutrition looking like u people but i can tell u this, those people who kicked out from gonder and kill in gondar r tplf agents and thier collaborator and family. And am so so happy about it and if u believe they r civilians or not, i don’t care and am still so happy about it. And don’t forget it is just the beginning.

          • Girmay

            [Mod: messsge deleted. Violates posting guidelines.]

          • Paulos

            Girmay,

            You should ignore this guy otherwise ዘይነበረካ ፌጋቶ as in ጸላም ከብዲ ከተጥሪ ኢኻ!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            What is that mean? What ever it is, u from tigrai and i don’t consider u as ….

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Girmay,

            I doubt if this daft character has what it takes to fight a REAL war.

            In fact, in Ethiopia, it is only the Somalis and the Afars who have the guts and the potential for any war.

          • Aligaz G

            Teodros

            We know all the talking points. But what is your way forward? As you know because of the last 27 years it is really easy for every ethnic group to brandish a list of grievances. Thank you tplf. And btw what is going on between you and simon. I think someone is in love and just can’t leave you alone 🙂

            cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz g
            Tplf don’t love anything, deep inside they suffer “yebetachenet”, there is no love with this kind of mind set.
            With right now ethiopians(different social groups) attitude and with this system, i don’t see how ethiopia can build democratic ethiopia. For me The way forward to democratize ethio is not easy, unless 3A get aggressive and calm the people attitude to normal.

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Teodros

            It might really be true love but then you never know with online things these days.

            But seriously, right now 3A is kept busy defanging the most dangerous ethnic serpents by design. Speaking of democracy if you think democracy is a cure all for ethnic/religious conflicts then you are mistaken. India is a democracy but they still have periodic massacres. A huge amount of soul searching and hard work at the national level will be needed. I am optimistically hoping the vast majority are ready for a new era.

            cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz g
            U right the majority r ready for a new era, but still i don’t see a new era with this system and attitude.
            If u change the system u gonna have a big problem with the oromo(qerro), somali(onlf) nationalist. tigrai (i truly believe the current system is not on thier interest but since they think it is against amara, they will love it ).
            Plus i don’t think the current people attitude and institutions r ready to accept democratically elected gov. So that needs to be changed first.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, the village idiot [Mamo Qeelu],

            You are a typical coward, attacking defenceless civilians. If they were armed and part of the military, you would not go near them, rather, you would run to your favourite hiding place, which is UNDER the BED.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon stupido
            They r not civilians, they r tplf dirt flys.idiot.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam,

            Did I advocate violence against an entire ethnic group?

            May I ask which guidelines were violated?

            [From mod, this one.

            25.4 Use proper posting protocol: begin with a salutation and address your audience by name. Do not use abusive language]

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon malnutrition nerd
            I told u about the military training and all of the dirt flies r collaborators.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, Mamo Qeelo,

            Coward, habitually you will run to hide under the bed.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Moderator
            Sorry.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Indeed it is “hate crimes” be it happened to Oromo, or Somali, or to Tigrians or to any social group. The hate to each other among the social groups was there for generations, it has nothing with the federal system. In fact, with the culmination of the mistrust to hate, there is no other alternative system that hold them together as a nation. Ethiopia needs decisive leaders to hold the system and the unity of their country. Politics does not work by preachers and choirs.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel

            Hopefully Abiy is a fast learner. It’s an eat or be eaten universe but the manner in which he has rearranged eprdf politics being eaten for him may mean complete disintegration and civil war. Maybe he should have consulted more widely before starting on such a high stakes game. It looks like he is banking on being too big to fail. Not for the faint hearted for sure.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Amanuel

            I wrote a reply but disqus devoured it. Anway reconstructing from my failing memory I write again:

            I call the attacks on Tigreans hate crimes.

          • Hope

            Selam Aligaz:
            What do you call what the tPLF did in the hearts of Finfinie,gambella and other places,not to mention the Ogadenia Genocide?

          • Aligaz G

            Hope

            Most of these crimes fall under state terrorism and eprdf is culpable. So far while there have been accusations of genocide we are not there yet.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Aligaz,

          I have figured out that you are shallow and a simpleton.

          As a person who has lived in Ethiopia along many ethnic groups and acutely observed them for many years, I can succinctly summarise for you that two of the perennial problems in Ethiopia are due to:

          1) Amhara elite chauvinism, greed and cowardice.

          2) Oromo/Galla elite perpetual persecution complex, ineptitude and daftness.

        • Solomon

          Selam Aligaz G,

          Your number 1 question is very broad and loaded it’s difficult to answer. I’m not a psychologist. But what i know is one day people love you another day they hate you. The majority of people are not critical thinkers. Lidetu was a hero, Ethiopiain Mandela one moment a villian the next day, who knows next. Mengistu was a villian one moment he is a hero next. But I don’t mean there is not any reason to hate TPLF. To rule a country for 27 years by itself makes you a Target even if you don’t deserve such haterd. In addition to that if you are from minority group then it’s unavoidable even if “ወርቅ ብታነጥፍም”.

          Why do you think there is so much haterd between the different social groups in our country now a days?Why did they hung that poor man in Shashemene? Do you think they have valid reason for their haterd? Do you think there was valid reason for their haterd to Stone to death those poor people in Jawi?

          On your second question, i don’t consider an attack on TPLF is an attack on Tigreans and vise versa. What i am saying is all Tigreans are considered as TPLF and are being killed, victimized and dehumanized thanks to the relentless propoganda for 27 years. Also it’s wrong to blame all the mess we are witnssing now on TPLF alone.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Solomon

            If you really live in Addis then you should know by now that even the shoeshine boys (listros) have developed critical thinking skills. No need for you to limp around basic questions.

          • Solomon

            If you realy are trying to understand nobody is loved by every body and no body is hated by every body. Do not expect in a country like Ethiopia with so much diversity every body to like the government. What we need in Ethiopia now is the rule of low.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Aligaz,

          I have figured out that you are shallow and a simpleton.

          As a person who has lived in Ethiopia along many ethnic groups and acutely observed them for many years, I can succinctly summarise for you that two of the perennial problems in Ethiopia are due to:

          1) Ethnic X’s elite chauvinism, greed and cowardice.

          2) Ethnic Y’s elite perpetual persecution complex, ineptitude and daftness.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Solomon, thanks for your eyewitness account about the ongoing events inside Ethiopia. It is always helpful to get the information from those who are inside the country. But considering the current challenges about ethnic violences, security scares, and arguments about the respect/disrespect of the Constitution, then why are the EPRDF central organs not holding crisis/emergency meetings?

        • Solomon

          Selam Abreham,

          You raised important question. The country is in crisis, the Constitution is disrespected, people are being killed and displaced in millions but it seems only TPLF is worried about all this. Team Lemma is busy pardoning and releasing prisoners, making peace with every poletical groups inside and outside of Ethiopia. That is all good. But they are neglecting 100 million Ethiopiains to be ruled by mob. TPLF is considered anti change because they are saying let’s respect the Constitution and abide by the rule of law. My hope is that they will do some thing before it is too late.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Ahlan Awates,

    Is our discussion productive? Does it add (Medemer) positive solutions to Eritrean problems? Certainly Awate Team have a research.

    It is just a question you can bypass.

    • Aligaz G

      Hameed

      The verdict is mixed and obviously it is hard to have an open mic forum with professional think tank level output. But the sheer randomness of ideas generated almost stream of consciousness may be valuable. For example the notion of nuclearizing the horn is disastrous but novel. There is some attempt to shape the conversation but the breakout sessions once the main topic is introduced are fluid. There is pedantry humor stubbornness pettiness intelligence stupidity all mixed in with the occasional visceral amygdala level hyperarousal. Take your conversation above it looks like you personnally want to deport the gentleman. How productive is that? There are elements of habesha elite power bargaining with all the ritualistic chest beating. There is venting and middle of the night alcohol induced speaking in tongues. In vino veritas. There are elements of flame keeping and a sense of Eritrean cybernationhood in exile. What do you think hameed?

      cheers

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Aligaz G,

        I think to stand on the side of justice, rule of law, democracy, stability, the well being of all citizens of the nation, etc., is the core attitude of a gentleman. Does the word “gentleman” mean to you being brute, greedy and abiding by the jungle law? I guess those who comprehend it in its distorted meaning are only those fake Eritreans (ቅዳሓት)

        • Aligaz G

          Hameed

          The topic of quality of discussion forum ie productivity has been raised by you and concerns about civility by others that is why I responded to your words. I am not personally acquainted in anyway with any of the forum members so no way for me to know who is a gentleman or not. But I prefer to refer to people in a respectful manner especially if I dont know them. Maybe you know these guys but still it is easier to attack ideas rather than indulge in flame wars. BTW I never claimed to be Eritrean and I am not an imperial storm trooper if that is any consolation 🙂

          cheers

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Girmay,

    Welcome to Awate University!

    When the time comes, I will hold Abi for you and you will punch him until you get tired, but until then, here is the deal.

    Abi is a dear friend. He occasionally drives everyone crazy, but he is irresistible. So, join the club of Awatista’s who have learned to sift through what he mostly says to get to the meat, and before you know it, you will start calling him “ye’nat lij.”

    By the way, I am the unofficially designated “personality identifier” in this university.

    • Saleh Johar

      Dear Fanti,
      In your capacity as “Personality Identifier”, would you please ask some individuals to help stop unnecessary bickering and refrain from posting silly two-word comments that add nothing to the forum but hamper smooth discussions but inflame it?

      I think they will listen to you and an undeclared manager of this Forum! 🙂

      • Ismail AA

        Dear SJ,
        Why do you over burden angel incarnate Fanti. Don’t you know some of them are wisdom phobic and if he tries, his wise advice will fall on deaf ears. The best way to harness those guys is the house owner has to craft some mechanism.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan Ismail,
          The house owners are just disappointed of some members who keep increasing the workload without thinking that the owners have only 24/day. Why would they include, for example, bad words that they know the moderator will have to spend time deleting? Why would they engage in derailing discussions? Why can’t everyone moderate themselves? Don’t you think it will be easier for all of us!

          I thought Fanti’s words would have some weight, it’s not fun cleaning after grown-ups.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear SJ,

            Good morning. I should consider myself callous if I sounded insensitive to the plight you and your colleagues endure in running this forum. All that for the sake of free space and those of us who have VESTED interest in this unique among equals outlet. There is no one among us who better felt the endurance the moderators take up than our good brother, Beyan who comes from time to time with suggestions. It was actually this that urged me to speak about finding “some mechanism”. Rules and regulations are made to be obeyed and implemented when deemed necessary. There is nothing more cherished than freedom to express feeling and views. But when they are done recklessly without limitations they become curse and cease to be blessing.

            I have watched the moderators resorting to many options to harness those who violate the rules. The measures taken ranged from reminding existence of the posting rules, advising, appealing, warning and temporary suspension. I watched these measures are not working. It is clear there is a pattern. Those few who violate decency are not actually many. Pattern shows that they come here for specific purpose. Some come in to serve as watchdogs with open eyes and minds to defend the regime right or wrong. One of the tactics they use is to provoke in the hope of de-railing the debate. Others come in just to satiate their egos of playing smart and release it by way of jokes and idle sarcasms. They provoke and despise at their pleasure.

            What would one say when for instance, some one attempts to undermine some real and highly informed participant by calling him googling liar?.

    • Solomon

      Selamat Fanti,

      I know you want to see the positive side on everybody. But Abi is a hater, bigot and chauvinist. It’s thanks to people like him who desiminate fake propoganda and news that resulted in the killings and torturing of innocent and poor Tigray people in the Amhara region. You know there is a saying ” አካፋን አካፋ ካላሉት ገብቼ ልፈትፍት ይላል”

      • Blink

        Dear Solomon
        I never liked Abi , he is really insensitive only when it comes to us Eritreans and to be fair I never ever read any comments from Abi that’s fake or racist views towards Tigrians in favor of Amhara. Your accusations of him being propagandist for Amhara against Tigrians is false . The guy has one problem and that’s sea thing unless people do know him as witty guy as bill burr . So pls dump your accusations and ask weyane to apologize to the Tigray people.

        • Solomon

          Selam Blink,

          Maybe you hadn’t read his comments that vilified the whole Tigrean people as looters. He said the whole Tigrean people were benefitiars of looting from Ethiopia few days ago. That’s is bigotry.

          Maybe you hadn’t read how he attacs some forumers relentlessly here for many years. Not their idea or comments but their personalities. That’s is haterd.

          Maybe you hadn’t read his comments about the mighty Amharas doing this doing that. That’s is chauvinism I think.

          I agree with you Weyane should apologize to the Tigray people and Ethiopiain people. But you don’t have to eliminate all the succeses they have achieved and only highlight their failures.

          • Blink

            Dear Solomon
            I didn’t read comments that he attack the Tigrians but you are right he attack to person he doesn’t agree and that is the center piece of this forum . It is like a grouping thing and Abi is not a group guy that’s how I understand. What know is , he attack Eritreans without any kind of difference in between.

            On the weyane good thing, since when do people talk about good things ? It is not natural for people who spend their time on looking the smallest stain to talk about the good thing.

          • Solomon

            Selam Blink,

            It’s is the same with Abi, before it was the whole Eritrean people, now it’s the whole Tigrean people tomorrow it will be the whole Oromo people.

            About the Awate forum I have to disagree respectfully. The majority of the forumers here are very reasonable and intelligent people. You will not find any were in the Ethiopiain and Eritrean websites the discussion as mature as in this site free from haterd, bigotry, etc. You have to at least appreciate the providers of this medium for providing and maintaining such a clean site for free. It’s not an exaggeration when it is said Awate University. I personally have learned a lot thanks to this site and the majority educated and reasonable forumers.

    • Girmay

      Hi Fanti, thanks for the welcome. Well, I will respectfully disagree on your perception of Abi.
      There were many things he said in the past that I didn’t appreciate, but I never said a word to him. When he kept saying things I said enough.
      Fanti, I will not say a word to him. Next time , I will ask you to clarify or translate what he means.

  • Blink

    Dear Girmay
    How is Esat compared to hate pipe? Anything that you can share , I mean beyond the accusation made Alula Solomon and others . It was just not long ago ETV was smearing esat and others as terrorist and now here you are . Amusing times

  • Teodros Alem

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  • Berhe Y

    Hi Hope,

    Ok I get it now, if that’s what he meant (not sure he needs to add “ l mean if u not one of them”).

    I don’t necessary need to go, and it’s not a way to make reasonable argument.

    Even if I go, unless I am doing investigative journalist, that I can find out anyway.

    Yes, I expected TPLF to do much better for their people, given the opportunity they had.

    Berhe

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam berhe
      When i said if u not one of them, i meant if u want to know the reality on the ground, i meant if u not the one like tplf/meles cadres whose mission is just to win fabricated argument for the sake of scoring one or two poltical points.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam @george,

    Hellow ቅዳሕ (Fake Eritrean), I think your god has admitted that he is an Ethiopian. I wonder, why don’t you follow his foot steps, or news will arrive you 8 years later?

    Eritreans, by now, spot ቅዳሓት easily. My congratulations to all Eritreans.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Salam @george,

    A leader is not like a layman, every word he utters counts. Having said that, as far as you give him this credit “I personally do not like what PIA said in ethiopia, but i am willing to give him the benefit of doubt.”, then he is not a hero in creating honorable history for Eritreans. He might be a hero for his county men, the Ethiopians. When you see it from an Ethiopian guy perspective you are right, as an Ethiopian guy of course. I am sure, you are one of the FAKE ERITREANS (ቅዳሕ)

  • Blink

    Dear Girmay
    When I said Girmay in my comment it was another Ghirmay who passed away long time ago. But the book is in Arabic , I don’t know if the book is translated.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awatists,
    Activistis
    Citizens and
    Commentators…..
    .
    Shalom All
    .
    I , my group and my compatriots of our party were helping by giving leverage
    and support to our people at home and the diaspora including their community
    leaders so as to enable them to be able to pull themselves out of defeat, despair
    and surrender to Ethiopia’s woyane rule
    of the Gov’ts of PMMZ and PMHD but
    support them to march with all of us the people of the Horn region instead.
    But what we see every now and then is stagnation and even regression instead of marching forward together with all the other peoples.
    If things do not change but keep going static and regression I and all my friends will pull ourselves out and leave you where you stand and we will instead take care and serve our followers only who are marching forward courageously against all the odds and who might need our help or support due to their small numbers but courageous deads and feat.
    Thus this message is to remind you again if your situation never show progress pr improvement but kept static and regress as it is now ; it is time for us to move on to the next step and phase of serving our people or those who are in need of our service but were only held hostage or held back by you all hoping that you catch up and march side by side with them.
    No more backstabing or dragging us behind please!
    Thank you
    AMAN

  • Beyan

    Dear Awate Readers,

    Let me take advantage before the link and clip sharing time expires. Several days ago, a good friend shared the link below in a group. It will not disappoint irrespective of whether enamored or vice versa with the man at the helm of power presiding over 100 million people in Ethiopia. The way the article is woven gives this amazing political quilt in the way it tries to connect the diplomatic angles on the one hand and the domestic angles on the other. Don’t be surprised if you are left with something serious might be in the offing that many of us are clueless about. Give it a read and decide for yourself:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/08/02/geopolitics-shadow-ethiopia-foul-murder.html

    • saay7

      Selamat Beyan:

      So, um, this paper.

      1. I looked for a byline because I was sure it would be either Hayat Adem or Gebrekrstos Gebreslasse (Facebook) because when they are not saying PM Abiy is the worst PM Ethiopia EVER HAD, they are making these points:

      a, Abiy is ignoring GERD
      b. Abiy is endangering the Federal arrangement
      c. Abiy is fake
      d. Abiy is turned his back on EPRDFs “Revolutionary democracy”
      e. Abiy is turning his back on China and embracing neo-liberalism
      f. Abiy has pardoned people who have committed unpardonable crimes
      g. Abiy is not upto the job, he will only inflame passions
      h. Did we mention Abiy hates GERD
      i. Last but not least: Abiy hates GERD and that’s why he didn’t drop everything and come back to Ethiopia when our Ethiopian hero was murdered.

      2. Strategic Culture is one of Putin’s tools to counter the interests of the US. All its articles are about the US. And none of them are complimentary. They usually write about Eurasia, but here they saw an opportunity to create a little mischief. Thus, the Oromo = Derg. The 125,000 Ethiopians who were lost in the Badme war were all Tigrayans. When Abiy met with US VP, the latter was effusive in his praise (not really); Abiy Ahmed met with IMF (yeah, he’s got 2 months worth of cash); Abiy said GERD would take 10 years (no, he complained at the rate government projects go, it may take 10 years); he gave assurances to Sisi to slow down construction (no he didn’t); the UAE and Saudis are coming (have been coming since the Meles days: the former for agriculatural land, the latter to manage port business in the neighborhood that it considers its expertise, not Chinas expertise), Abiy signed off on Algiers Agreement (about frigging time); the bodyguard was relieved of his duty and the security cameras at Mesqel Squaes were turned off a week before the assassination of the engineer (ergo presto it was an inside job.)

      The purpose of Putin Media is never to clarify or answer, but to add confusion and disinformation.

      So Bayanom, you have been had by your friend 🙂

      saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Selamat Saay,
        I happened to know of two Dr. Abiys early this year. One is like a shooting star, young and into many good things like technology, art, philosophy and science. I remember hearing stories like how a veracious reader he is; how articulate and versed with many languages he is. Who would not envy such a person!
        The other Dr. Abiy that had started coming to my conversation with people of my encounters just randomly was an Oromo party official, very cunning politician, very confrontational who determinedly advances and defends narrow interests of the Oromo and cares most and first about the Oromo with a primary focus.
        While I was subconciously longing to meet the former one day or at least read his writings or listen to his speeches there of, while nothing about the latter would motivate to grow curiousity to know him more.
        Little did I know the two totally different Dr. Abiys I had been hearing about were just one and the same. It was easy for me to start loving one and dismiss the other. Then I started surfing for his speeches. One material was a fake interview he made in English staging like it was a real interview setting. In there, while he was speaking from a teleprompter to prerecorded questions, he acted like hecwas answering to a journalist. And all the youtube contents of him were accompanied by sensational lead-ins such as “amazing, jaw dropping, exceptional, out of this world, stunning.. etc.”
        Worse yet, I learned even those staged utterings were stolen word for word including interjectional phrases from others. No would-be leader worth of his salt would do all that to desperately and pretentiously display a non existing quality and personslity? That must be a personality that lacks all the necessary essentials, me thought. And then all what he is doing is perfectly confirming to my initial fixation about him.
        So, I have nothing against him but his character bearings have everything to deny him the required quality of leadership that Ethiopia needs and deserves.

        • Paulos

          Selam Hayatina,

          As they say, time is the hidden factor. Time will definitely tell us if the young PM is a charlatan and a con artist or a true statesman on par with the extraordinary leader as in Meles Zenawi. For now, we are speculating here and there studded with I am a big fan of his no I don’t like him sort of divided tifozo. Let’s wait and see.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulino,

            Listening to the meetings held in Tigray I assume with the former TPLF leaders (Aregawi Berhe and Gidey Zeratsion) in the presence of current TPLF leaders, I think what ever MZ achieved needs to be questions. If what they were saying was true (I think Asgedom was his name), that the Tigray parliament is made up of Tsemiqti Suwa, that they have no one with proper education is really worrisome.

            I can understate all other failings, but to not able to create vibrant civil society in Tigray after paying so much is really waste of decades.

            In this aspect I think, I understand why people compare EPLF and TPLF as twin organizations. The people and country interests are the last thing in their mind but only dominance of their own party insiders.

            What we see today in Ethiopia is the fruits of what MZ planted.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Why don’t u try to visit tigrai urself? U will see if the rhetoric and fake videos coming out of tigrai r true or false. And u will know what kind of people r the tplf/meles supporters r?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Tedros,

            I don’t know what you are trying to say. Can you please read and try to understand what I am trying to say? Please ask me for clarification if you are having hard time understanding.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            U just said u listened to a meeting held in tigrai, right? Based on that u talked about “tsemiqti suwa” vibrant civil society. Right?
            I said if go visit tigrai urself , u will find out a lot of thing by just looking the people and the country. And u also find out how tplf/meles supporters r full of Shiite. I mean if u not one of them.

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            I am also taken back by his accusations against TPLF. The video clip is over an hour long. Angosm’s speech is cut out of it (about 13-minutes long) and has been circulated on YouTube. It has a massive viewing. For years, there have been many allegations of corruptions by top TPLF’s veterans. I always hesitate to comment as these might have turned out to be as gossips and rumours. I now have a second thoughts.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Do you have a good knowledge about the socio-cultural relationship of the Ethiopian diversity, before EPRDF came to power? I am sure you will not miss it as to why I am asking you this question.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Summer year 2000, I was in London visiting family. And as it happened, while taking a walk, saw a rather small size book-store and walked in. Before I knew it, as usual, my mind shifted to the Science and then History and Philosophy sections. My eyes landed on this particular book titled, “Peasant Revolution In Ethiopia” by John Young. And I remember reading the book three days at a stretch. I got introduced to the genesis and formative years of TPLF for the first time, that is.

            I would argue, it is by far the most detailed history book of the Front. If I remember correctly, the falling out with Aregawi was differences on military strategy but also power struggle as well where Aregawi couldn’t accept the new reality that, new blood emerged pushing from the bottom with new ideas to shake up the Front where all the bootstrap was done by Sibhat Negga among others if not singlehandedly.

            G’iday was a totally different ball game where the schism was ideological to the extent of turning the show-down into academic fierce battle where Meles armed with sophism and polemics diminished G’day to an ordinary till he collected his meager belongings and left the Front in humiliation.

            Fast forward, Meles later on established a strategic alignment with OPDO and ANDM hot-shots at the expense of TPLF old guards to the extent of sidelining them where it later on created serious resentments that had persisted till after his untimely death. And certainly, the fracture gave rise to the weakening of the Front laced with corruption. If Meles gave a blind eye to the then ongoing financial and power corruption, he worked tirelessly to pull the country out of poverty and succeeded in the diplomatic front as well. And it is fair to say that, if it wasn’t for the robust economy, the nation would have had a detrimental meltdown since the popular movement for reform started.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo,

            Thank you for your reply. I am not sure you understood what I was trying to say. No doubt about MZ and his political shrewdness and smarts to get to power and to stay in power. What he did to win over the party and ascend his political maneuvering, including the power struggle with those former TPLF founders, and the likes of Siya Abraha back 2001 is all admirable. I even go further that, he outsmarted IA in changing not only the outcome of the war but also on the diplomatic front where he isolated be it at international (UN, UNSC and others), at AU level and even within Eritreans themselves against IA and the regime. What’s even more admirable about MZ was that he didn’t cause death and disappearance to get rid of his political opponents.

            Even ethnic federalism, if he truly believed is the best solution for Ethiopia political stability and equal sharing power and wealth and the problem was in the implementation due to corruption and other loss of checks and balances of the system, is quite understandable.

            What I am having understanding (unlike saay and others) I didn’t believe TPLF under the leader ship of MZ was brutal towards to the Tigray people, using PFDJ style of tactics to alienate, silence, ostracization, torture, elimination and other brutal means to control the people.

            I have watched the video of *Asgede G/Slassie, same link saay shared and see the video if you haven’t already. While at is, I wanted someone like Fanti or AH to comment on the specific video and the comments of Asgede and they were aware such practice were happening and what the party (TPLF) have created or become to control the people of Tigray.

            Berhe

            as per saay *Search for this video on youtube:ሓደ ካብ መስራቲ ወያነ ዝኾነ ኣስገደ ገ/ ስላሴ: ገበናት ወያነ የቃልዕ!!

          • saay7

            Selam Berhe:

            There is a follow up video to that I will share at end of post to show you more similarity between TPLF and PFDJ, from the perspective of governance. But for now:

            The worst form of corruption is power abuse. This is lost on our friends who brag about IAs modest villa and lifestyle and kids not attending frat parties in Western universities. If one abuses the trust they are given to hold power and they are corrupt, the more corrupt they are. Therefore, IA and PFDJ are the most corrupt entities in the world in that they will commit any crime, no matter how brutal, to stay in power.

            Now, for that comparison of how corrupt TPLF is, let’s wait for the testimonies of those whom they arrested by the tens of thousands in Ethiopia. Listen again to the testimony of Asgede G/Selasse on the culture of impunity in the one party-state of Tigray (which has no free press, no competing political parties and the Church is totally subservient to the State.

            Now the link. How about demolishing the modest homes of people who are not linked to the party and have nobody to cry to?
            Look up on YouTube Tigray TV መደብ ሰናይ ምምሕዳር እዚ ‘ዉን ዶ ኣሎ

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay,

            Thank you for sharing. I watched the video and I must say it’s sad to what happened to those people who build house with meager resources they have. I know the PFDJ have

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            Thank you for sharing. I watched the video, did not finish it (it’s a bit long). It’s really sad they have to demolish homes of those people who build it with meager resources they have and expose them to such hardship. I understand that government have to make hard choices sometimes, but based on the evidence at least from what they said, there is lack of following the low in this case.

            The priest presented a letter that was given to him by those in charge at the time that confirmed and legalized the house he build. Then they fired those people who authorized, and gave order to demolish it.

            The right thing to do in my opinion:

            Suppose the government believes the decision to allow / legalize for the house that was build was wrong.
            What should happened is:

            1) The government should make a case to an independent court. Give notice that the house is build illegal and it will need to come down. Give the person enough time to respond or hire a lawyer and take this case to court.
            2) A court would listen all side (the government side, the private individual side) and make necessary decision. The decision could be:
            i) because the previous government officials approved then the current government can’t change the decision arbitrary. Unless the case is considered of important “national interest project” such as building a pipe line, highway etc.
            ii) if it’s considered of “national interest” then the government should provide appropriate compensation for the people to build similar home and provide them land. etc.

            But it’s encouraging that the media exposing the government officials and informing the public. If they continue in his open and transparent manner they will be able to resolve their issues and build institutions that will serve the well being of the society eventually.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            Well, before we get too encouraged about “Tigray TV” covering this, please remember it’s all within the context መልካም ኣስተዳደር and (I don’t mean to be cynical Fanti), it’s probabky one bureaucrat who controls the media going after another fat cat bureaucrat. Even the dreadful PFDJ does that “ህዝቢ የማርር ኣሎ” and “ከይሳዕረረ” campaigns: remember a few years ago of a public meeting at Keren where the people were railing against the town administration for the poor quality of healthcare?

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            There are so many video’s from Tigray that are coming out in the last year or so, even before PMAA come to power.

            May be after so much time they were closed, it seems to me that they are or have opened up. And the comments, I think seems open, including criticizing the individuals and the party.

            Yes I remember the video of the hospital in Keren, God knows what happened to those people.

            I think overall, TPLF may have learned the lessons and they truly are trying to change, specially with the change of leadership.

            I think Debresion may be driving the change and being open within it’s limits.

            In Eritrea, we are not there anywhere close. I was speaking on this lady that come from Eritrea two weeks ago. She was there through out the whole thing, PMAA visit and all.

            She told me, people are waiting anxiously for the government to say something or do something about the arrested and opening up of the country.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            I am not sure to be honest. Fantination may know more.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            The extraordinary leader didn’t like the color of your eyes.
            The extraordinary leader chocked Eritrea to death.
            The extraordinary leader left his people in a precarious situation.
            ( more extraordinary sh*t upon request)
            As an Eritrean scholar of the highest caliber what makes you think meles was extraordinary?
            እዋይ አንታ ጳውሎስ

          • Paulos

            Abinism,

            In comparison where I dwarf in stature and intellect, Susan Rice said, he was a world class mind. What she had in mind was a prism through which not their mutual interests converged but what he did for his people where the skinny child with a big belly refused to be the signature of the country Meles lived to lead. That is the ultimate measure of a leader. Can ordinary people remove the human stain? Only the extraordinary can!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Last time I checked Susan Rice was not an Eritrean.
            Last time I checked Susan Rice laughed at the meto bemeto sh*t.
            Last time I checked ordinary citizens from Tigray are suffering the consequences of the extraordinary leader where they are being forced to leave from some parts of the country. Some lost their lives and properties. The extraordinary leader left his people exposed to uncertainties.
            The extraordinary leader left a permanent stain in the form of “ethnicity first ” in the minds of the people.
            Amanuel Hidrat called him ” Visionary ” . You called him “extraordinary “. Kokobe called him “hero “.
            Ras Abi calls you guys ” three blind mice “.
            Now, tell me how you evaluate the extraordinary leader as an ordinary Eritrean? Not as Susan Rice:)

          • Paulos

            Abinism,

            Ok, I let you win!

          • Girmay

            Hi Abi, last time I checked ordinary Tigrean are suffering from hundred years of ignorant leadership by Menelik, Haile Sellasie, and Meles. Ethiopia as a nation did better than anytime under Meles leadership.
            Last time I checked, you were never hired to represent Tigreans. You have never stood in defense of Tigreans. You and your sill jokes have been used to attack Tigreans in subtle ways.
            Last time I checked you call others three mice, but I say you are one giant mouse, who is impressed with his own silly jokes.
            See you next time.

          • Abi

            Hi Girmay
            Looks like you didn’t notice the ” Do not Disturb, Adults Only” sign posted under my name.
            See you no more!!!

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Girmay, you said “Ethiopia as a nation did better than anytime under Meles leadership.”. This is a fact and we will soon find out how the country is going to fare, awash with all sorts of political opportunists, outright criminals, and the conspiratory sick relationship between the Lemma/Jawar/Abiy/Amara Elites/DIA constellation. One unspoiled fact that we know is that one of the partners in this newfound relationship, the Eritrean dictator, has created world’s biggest prison [Eritrea], destroyed a once proud, and hardworking people, leading the Eritrean people to economic and social desperation.

          • Blink

            Dear Abi
            Any prove to that “ as Eritrean scholar “.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U want prove of the color of the eye or chocked eri or left his people thing?

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            The guy is just a weyane cadre nothing more nothing less. He is a lousy lair who go out to protect weyane

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            Yes, 100%.

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            I asked Abi not you because I already know your stand to this lousy weyane goon googling champion.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Hayat,

          Why do you have to spend a disproportionate amount of time on Ethiopian affairs and Ethiopian leaders?

          • Blink

            Dear Simon
            My question is why are you guys expecting her to spend a microsecond on Eritrean affairs? I just don’t get it .hayat interest is 99.9% about TPLF and the 0.1% is about bashing Eritreans revolution.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Blink,

            But the same applies to you, as you spend a huge amount of time on the TPLF.

          • Blink

            Dear Simon
            I am spending my time because I believe TPLF are the enemy of Eritreans and their evil plan must be exposed but I never ever get exited by bad results in Eritrea or Ethiopia . I know we exchanged about this but since you are trying hard not to say any bad about TPLF it will not matter . For me any one either PFDJ or TPLF are the same and if one is going to die before the other I will always root to burn the first who is on death rope . Since TPLF is dying and it needs a clapping hand as any other evil death , I express my feelings about the death .

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Blink,

            You are too obsessed with the TPLF. Is it personal? I do not think you are in a position to harm or help the TPLF.

            The TPLF and the EPLF have done good and bad, You need to mention both.

          • Blink

            Dear Simon
            Good and Bad come on Simon . I also said I am just clapping for their death not necessarily doing something to do harm .

        • saay7

          Selamat Hayat:

          And that’s what made him “the worst leader in the history of Ethiopia”? Worse than Mengistu? That’s a lot more hyperbolic than all the “amazing”, “exceptional!” adjectives that accompany his videos. Even they are not saying “the best in the history of Ethiopia!” I mean you have gone full tilt Trumpian.

          Let’s tackle your two objections:

          1) The plagiarism issue: We discussed this ad nauseum in March or April of this year. I am now convinced that (a) it was a standard public-speaking training video (look up classes created by TJ Walker) who says that a politician can only learn to speak by practicing stump speeches and interviews and the way to do this is to self-record, reading any random political material (including any interview articles with other politicians) and then review the video and critique. Over and over and over. (b) if it was standard politician public-speaking training video and it was published then it was (b.1) done by Abiy as self-promotion or (b.2) leaked by his political enemies to embarrass him.

          Both are standard political games, that deserve, at most, a shrug. Definitely not the sort of reaction you are showing.

          2) Is he Oromo first or Ethiopian first? I can imagine this question coming from the One Ethiopia people. But, really, Hayat. From you? A vocal exponent of TPLF and its leader Meles. Meles Zenawi was interviewed by Paul Henze in 1990, on the eve of his assumption of power and he said that we (meaning him, meaning TPLF) see all things from the perspective of Tigray first, then Ethiopia. So, even if what you are saying about Abiy is true, all you are saying is he was a good student of Meles.

          Instead of speculating about the character of Abiy (untested, barely in power for less than 5 months) isn’t it time better spent to review videos of ARENA (including founders of TPLF) saying that TPLF is a mirror image of PFDJ when it comes to human rights (brutal) and monopolizing power (extreme)? And, if so, what does that say about the character of Meles Zenawi and the organization he molded in his image?

          saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            My reactions to his character were very measured and mild first. They grew stronger as his costly recklessness and bizarre style of leadership were clearly showing.
            I didn’t think he is worse than Mengistu. It is possible he could be but by and large nobody beats Mengistu in crime doing as someone who butchured a generation of the best and the brightest. So, I may hsve him to hint Mengistu as besting Abiy in the count of nationalist cells by way of alarming people that Abiy might be working for Arabs and the West more than for his country, but Mengistu is a man I hate with all my being. I don’t hate Abiy but I don’t believe he is qualified and i don’t believe his actions consider the best interest of his country.
            I am not accusing Abiy as an Oromo First guy. In fact, I would have felt better about him if that was the case. I suspect him brushing shoulders wigh Ethiopi’s enemies and globsl powers. I was telling what was coming to me as a background path of my knowledge about him.
            Yes, the guy is a disaster and he is losing the country through his fingers.
            Ethiopians, especially, the Oromos should unseat Lemma Megersa from both State and Party leadership. The Shashemene and Wellega incidents must haunt him to his grave. It was so barbaric that Lemma must be told enough to preside over such shame and crime.
            What surprises me is the deafening silence of the Federal Government Head (Abiy) the State President (Lemma), The Head of State (Mulatu) over the matter. They were supposed to be explaining or condomning the events of crusfication and stonning of innocent citizens to death.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            I think you have memory bias, Hayat. You have never been measured on Abiy: I think you even made fun of him saying “congradulations” and then got sick of him— on day 1:)

            This is fine and good, because he really was giving con-man vibes but he did exactly what you were asking: reach out to Eritrea all the way (not halfway) and make peace. In fact, the only time you have said anything remotely positive about him is when he addressed people in Tigray. From then on it was just a string of conspiracy theories, relying on anything published, without the fainest amount of due diligence. Angry Ethiopians were described as “Egyptian media” (re GERD); Engineer, before he was killed, had expressed surprise that PM Abiy said the project (if it is like a typical project) will take 10 years and this surprised him and he was on his way to Addis to blow the whistle. (inference: against Abiy.) He is leading Ethiopia down a dark path and Ethiopians are asleep at the switch (Wake Up Ethiopians!); he is selling out Ethiopia to Arabs; he is not qualified; the Ethiopian flag has been lowered and the Oromo flag raised; he is callous about Ethiopian death and refuses to cancel his trip to the US.

            It has been one Code Red after another… and, at some point, unless you are willing to present supporting evidence for your claim, you will be like that car alarm that goes off every 5 minutes and then people stop paying attention.

            Moreover, MOREOVER! Part of the reason that Dear Ethiopians! are treating this like the false car alarm is because you make no effort to acknowledge that he is taking over from a TPLF-dominated system which was running a torture state. When the Dear Ethiopians! present you with their version of pre-Abiy Ethiopia, you just want to talk about GERD: you are like the PFDJ supporters who refute every claim about massive human rights violations by talking about damns and MDG.

            Finally, on how bad things are in Ethiopia, I too get alarmed by the magnitude of it. Addis Standard had basically a litany of murders and horror stories from all over Ethiopia—and it presented it as, oh, this happened. But this interests me mostly because I worry that Eritrea has decided to prioritize Ethiopian “stabilization” over cleaning up its own broken State. Why do you worry so much about a country with all sorts of institutions and competing power centers (Ethiopia), and competing superpowers (US, China, Russia all wanting to make sure it doesn’t become a failed state) when your own country is making disastrous decision by deferring critical and time-sensitive decisions pending resolutions of huge problems in Ethiopia, that were planted mostly by TPLF’s decision to dominate power and radicalize all opposition?

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,

            I appreciate your measured response in pointing out the discrepancies in her crusade.
            Your points are crisp and on target.

            Ever since, she presented the YouTube evidence of plagiarism in April 2018 to discredit and pile on Abiy, the charged and hostile effort has not abated.
            Hayat, obviously is a highly educated person, and a very intelligent person. I always read what she says.
            At least in my case, she is rapidly using up her credibility capital.

            It is possible there will come a time, God forbid, that Abiy will disappoint most Ethiopians. It is possible he will become the preacher in chief while “Rome” is burning.
            In another year or so many debatable decisions and issues will surface pointing to his judgement and wisdom or lack of it.
            As I said before, he was handed the tail of the tiger. He is summoning everyone to help tame the tiger.
            But to bring gruesome murder, nationalist comparisons and an attempt to use the Arab card to discredit Abiy at this time sound more of an effort of an extreme opposition operative than the goodwill of a neighbor.

            Again, thanks for shading light on the truth.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            U said hayat,obviously is a highly educated person, man since u down, u can’t see it, hayat can’t think and see outside of tplf ideology and thinking. That is the fact .she, obviously is a highly trained tplf cadre.
            Like i side once a s is always s. That is why u can’t see it.

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            Unfortunately, what will become of pm Abiy in the future does not depend entirely on him, but also on what his enemies want him to be. Tplf apologists are working hard to discredit him, because their mission is to get at ethiopia that is not meant to be unless she is ruled by tplf forever. This was what their theorist-visionary-decisive strongman said when he ascended the throne at arat killo in 1991. That dream is not dead, and if it is to die it should take ethiopia with it.

            All the accusations against pm Abiy are baseless and fake, but, propaganda works in this way. It is the same story repeated, if one repeats lies ad infinitum, there will come a time when it is believed as the truth or as significant.

            In addition, tplf will try to use its proxies to destabilize ethiopia. There is a limit to how much a good leader could be good, because at a certain point he will be forced to act for the sake of peace, normalcy and security of the people, if his enemies or their proxies start to put the country on fire. Of course, this will be a good opportunity for them to accuse him, his ethnic group, and all his supporters, demonize them and condemn them as murderers, criminals, and for genocide, etc. When MZ was raising to the ground villages in Ogaden as shown by satellite pictures, they said nothing. If Abiy sneezes, it is going to be misinterpreted. What i abhor most is enemies who dare to call themselves friends of ethiopia. I respect bald enemies.

            In 1991 it was the amharas and ethiopia they hated, today in 2018, it is the oromo and still poor old ethiopia that is no more ruled by tplf. Their obsession and irrationality is not out of the blue. It is a planned action against the pm, and much more against ethiopia. One thing is the truth. Tplf as tplf will never rule ethiopia again. On the contrary, the people of tigray remain stakeholders in everything ethiopian.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            In all fairness, i will be revisiting all my comments related to Aby’s during the last 4 to 5 months to see myself in hindsight and check if there were things I could and should have said differently. Then I will come back to share my reflections on the major observations or there of. As I do that, I will continue the conversation and kindly would like you and everyone else to consider the following contexts:
            1) Obviously, all my comments in this forum are just from live streaming feeds that I pen as they come, not scientific reviews. It is fair to see any excesses there of in the context of the day, the action and the other comments that triggered the conversation.
            2) I think what I see in Ethiopia today can hardly be exaggerated. If what happened in Shashemene or Wellega in front of a crowd of men born of women had happened in Tigray, it would have undoubtly heralded the end of Tplf. My bet is even pfdj, the worst criminal party, would be unlikely to survive such a scene if it were in Asmara or any major town. How come people are diluting fast their sense of sensitivity with a no-limit relativism as if we are not speaking about humans? People are stonned to death the Alshabab way by a crowd of Qerro and this can be exaggerated in reporting to become an over-alarming? Really, guys???
            And people who came to power with the help of Qerro are presiding over these affairs and you still are willing to count it as a it-happens-in-transition-times normal affair?(Amde in mind)
            A top Engineer managing a top national project was assassinated at the center of a public square of the African capital in a day time. The new PM, who usually jumps to mic for every smaller event, never addressed this issue formally or officially. How can Ethiopians be falsely or overly alarmed to such a real situation? Maybe, Ethiopians are more readily and willingly seduced up on hearing empity rhetorics than to real stuff.
            3) Generally speaking, 4 months into his term, Abiy is more of a worry than a leader. Ethiopia was not doing bad before Abiy. That is not to say, there was no need to change leadership or a leader. But they had many things going well many Africans would envy of in many fronts: Peace, development, diplomatic elevation etc. If they could have worked in to their social harmony and political inclusiveness and benefit security, they could be the real African cheatah (tigers). Now, Ethiopia seems to be risking every thing it achieved.
            4) My hunch is telling me it is more likeky than not Eprdf will officially expire in 6 to 8 weeks. Eprdf was a progressive party I was counting on to become an example of a successful agency of political transformation in our region. If Eprdf can’t survive this fall to steer the country back to track, then Ethiopia is in for a longer trouble and agony. We have a perfect storm: complex problems lingering unaddressed, all the predatory jackals now in town, and we have seen a sample of what a crowd justice can look like and dark forces are hovering around for a vulnerable opportunity. Maybe we could be made witnessing the end of CULTURE in Ethiopia and its environs s we know it today. That keeps sane souls sleepless!
            5) Eritrea?
            Eritrea can only survive if only Ethiopia survives. Their fate is knoted into a single ecosystem. The only period Eritrea and Eritreans were doing okay was in the periods where we were okay as part of or as federated party with Ethiopia (save the war ans conflict times). There was never a time Eritrea was at peace and prospering independent of a good relationship with Ethiopia. I don’t see the future as being any different. My ultimate wish is to see both peoples united at most or at least operating at full cooperation mirroring the level of the true character of their true political and social essence.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Fair enough. I think that’s all we can ask of ourselves: to take stock of what we say and evaluate. We are all doing stream-of-consciousness posts (except Cuz Gheteb whose posts have a heading and specific aims). You can tell the ones with an agenda because they never join other people’s threads; they are constantly opening theirs.

            I also agree with you that PM Abiy have not adequately addressed these recent spate of atrocities and no I am not looking for speech but a Q & A with actual journalists. The guy never has a press conference. I think Eyob told us he is not good at that and he has delegated it to his co PM, Lemma, and that’s fine. It’s the season of head of governments delegating their jobs after all.

            On whether a similar catastrophe as Sheshemene would have brought down TPLF or PFDJ? Now you can’t be serious Hayat. Both would have arrested someone, tortured them, and gotten televised confessions from them (TPLF would have blamed it on Sharbia and PFDJ would have blamed it on whoever its feuding with at the time. In fact what I fear the most about the Abiy-IA buddy-buddyness is all the awful things IA may teach Abiy. “In the end we will conserve only what we love; we will love only what we understand; and we will understand only what we are taught.” (Baba Dioum, 1968.)

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            ኣስገደ ገ/ ስላሴ*: ገበናት ወያነ የቃልዕ! Did he really? Man!

            ዝወደቐያ ጉንዲስ ምሳር ይበዝሖ

            It is true that the similarities between PFDJ and TPLF cannot be ignored but neither can the differences. Without having to go far, allow me to muddy up the similarity a little bit using Asgede himself.

            1. Asgede and others are talking their minds to leaders of TPLF in public in an event organized by TPLF and other concerned citizens.

            2. He wrote three books 10 years ago mostly criticizing TPLF leadership for being “Eritrea’s Slaves**” and “Awrajawian” but not so much about torture or stifling decent.

            3. He is able to join an organization of his choosing, ARENA, which is based in Tigray.

            4. He campaigns and recruits followers in the middle of Tigray.

            5. According to himself, he even “got a ride from one TPLF official” at one point.

            6. All that time, he lives in Tigray with his family in relative comfort.

            And yet, he managed to squeeze out a propaganda that TPLF tortures and stifles decent routinely leading us to conclude TPLF = PFDJ.

            Now, tenazez, are you biased against TPLF or not?

            PS:

            * I took out the “መስራቲ ወያነ ዝኾነ” because he joined TPLF relatively later.

            ** Credit where it is due: he falsely criticizes the nature of EPLF-TPLF relationship but he is not a hater. He is actually respectful and friendly toward Eritreans in general.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            These days, it is very hard to find an authenticated argument on Ethiopia. All arguments are based on the wishes they hope to see. In other words all arguments are tinted with biases. When the political practitioners are divided along the lines of “socio-cultural divide” the opinions of the pundits takes the same configuration along those lines. So Fantish, it is what it is.

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            With all honesty, I found the intention to draw similarities between the two Fronts unfair to say the least. How can you compare a mafia organization with a Front which is trying hard to make it right?

            As I watched the video where Asgede was in a what the Psychs call “Free Association” session, what came to mind was not all the stuff he said happened to him but the fact that, him, Aregawi and G’iday go home at the end of the day and chill with their families with out any hung ups if security personnel will be standing at their door steps in the middle of the night.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            There is nothing that makes EPLF=TPLF none at all. Imagine the Seye group in 2000, who were imprisoned briefly and let them to have their own party; imagine individuals like Gidey Zeratsion and Aregawi Berhe “ጻዕዳ ይጽናኩም ተባሂሎም ዝተሳናበቱ”. If the Seye group were in Eritrea, they would have been died in the foxhole prisons, like our brothers Durue, Sherifo and others, while the Gideys and Aregawi’s would have been liquidated in the field. I could have make many compare and contrast between the two organizations, but let me stop here. Only one argument could bring too many cacophony in this forum.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I absolutely agree. Samuel Huntington’s 1968 seminal paper, “Political Order In Changing Societies” says it all. The life and death of any society or emerging modern states for that matter hinges on their ability or lack of—responding to the frequent changes with in the society as in social mobility, emergence of new stakeholders, interest groups. When the existing political institutions respond to the new emerging changes, the state survives if not it walks to the graveyard in a slow death.

            With out further ado, if we utilize Huntington’s parameters as indices to see which of the two Fronts is heading to the graveyard, it will only be an intellectual dishonesty if we insist of saying both!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            It would be static intellectual dishonesty if it would not recognize the mindset of the despot and his regime to be regressive. They still feed on revolutionary ethos that have been stultified long time ago to a parochial set of culture that only responds to backward stimuli.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            What is the reason for one operating Mafia style while the other didn’t, according to you?

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            Oh boy! We gonna have to go through the entire Awate archives or articles and comments to pile up the evidence that the regime in Eritrea is Mafia. And that will take another 18 years.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            You do not need to go to any archives. I am only asking you to give the REASONs behind the observed behaviour.

          • Paulos

            Selam Simon,

            Disqus is acting up. Your comment appeared just now.

            Mafia could as well be a misplaced term if not a misnomer to contextualize as you put it, as the behaviour of the regime in Eritrea.

            Fukuyama in his Volume I book, “The Origins Of Political Order” walks the reader through the rugged history of Southern Italy which had been lagging behind the rest of Italy in every measure possible including in human capital and social cohesiveness to the extent where mistrust of any government local or foreign became a national character.

            Fukuyama went on to argue that, locally organized groups started to compete with the government in selling and providing protection to the wealthy and the affluent chose the locals over the government in exchange for decent amount of money. When the business of selling protection as in body guarding became a lucrative business, other groups jumped on the wagon and the competition became so much so and escalated into a deadly violence. And of course, over the years the selling of protection morphed into something else and got outsourced to the Americas and not only it changed the political discourse in Italy but pervaded into popular culture where Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola made it a household moniker.

            In light of the above terse historical back drop, perhaps it is misplaced in terms, to slap the regime with Mafia, simply because the organized locals protected the people from foreign predators and the government, but of course later on, it got vicious and deadly as well.

            Certainly, the regime in Asmara is legit and it is internationally recognized with a seat among nations. The licence, however, is used not to serve the people but to prey on the people. The similarity with the historical Mafia becomes blurred when it is spot on with the Hollywood script instead. The similarity in fact gets thicker when one of the lines in “The Godfather” puts a newly slaughtered head of a horse socked in blood under the blanket of an enemy while he was still asleep and Isaias denies the remains of an erstwhile friend turned “enemy” from flying home for a proper burial. The script goes on to say, there was a complete obedience with a prostration of the enemy and so was what Isaias wanted to convey as well.

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,
            Mafia is run by individuals who are intelligent, clever and canny.
            Can you imagine Wedi Memhir, who was responsible for killing the disable veterans in the early 90’s would be able to join the ‘Cosa Nostra’ ?.

            I wish some people had not label EPLF as mafia organisation.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam David,

            The Mafia Capos are crafty, but the hit men are not very bright.

          • David Samson

            Selam Simon,
            Wedi Memhir is not an ordinary hit man; he is an army General.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam David,

            In such a system, a general does not mean that much. A good hatchet man can be a general.

            Remember, in China [during the Cultural Revolution and The Great Leap Forward] and in Pol Pot’s Cambodia, grade 5 or less was the best qualification to have.

          • Paulos

            Selam David,

            Isaias says, “I will make him an offer he can’t refuse.” Debretsion says, let’s talk instead. That is the difference between the two.

          • Desbele

            Selam David
            Shifta suits them

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Simon K., I think this question that you posed is a very important question, and it could be central in helping Eritreans sort out our realities, and the issues that are holding us back in terms of building a decent political atmpsphere. I hope our great debaters give you their ideas and views regarding this important question. But in general, I think, it is highly complicated, with ethnic make up, religion, regionalism, culture, history both pre-armed struggle, during armed struggle, etc have to do with the differences that we see in the politics of Tigray and Eritrea.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abraham H.,

            Bravo, smart chap! You are almost there.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Fanti, it is out of this world to claim the TPLF is the mirror image of PFDJ, as our, otherwise, great observer Saay said. I’ve yet to witness any SINGLE occasion where Eritrean political actors, even within the PFDJ itself, sitting together and debating about policies that matter to Eritrea. Not a single such opportunity in the last 27 years of the rule of the PFDJ.
            PFDJ, as we have said repeatedly, is nothing but a one man show, who keeps debating with himself, like a mad man.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abe:

            But the conversations IA has with himself are compelling:)

            I see the point you are making. What I am saying is that TPLF and PFDJ are structurally the same. And at critical junctures (year 2000 for both of them) the alpha males win because they control the security apparatus. They both are merciless in liquidating their enemies and then claiming that they had no choice but to do so (TPLF did with TLF and EDU); they believe in the indispensability of a vanguard movement; they believe in doing whatever it takes (torture, imprisonment) to stay in power. The difference is in the countries they had to administer: Ethiopia, always dependent on foreign aid, had to be sensitive to its reputation. Eritrea, never seen as strategic as Ethiopia, was not the “indispensable nation” and its brutes were disappearing people in 1994. (remember the free reign TPLF gave PFDJ to kidnap and torture and kill its enemies.) TPLF is probably more sentimental to its co-founders and treats them as nuisances who pose no threat. PFDJ, headed by a man who never forgives and is paranoid and a coward, is afraid of any threat and is the type who will shoot a corpse just to be sure.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            Methinks also, TPLF’s chosen constituency is a demographic minority, and of necessity it needs to be more inclusive of other organizations. Such sister organizatons have to be ‘vanguards”, do whatever it takes to stay power etc… Hence the EPRDF franchise system in Ethiopia.

            It is said Meles commissioned a study by a couple of old WPE politburo hands (Shewandagn Belete and Billilign Mandefro) on how to establish and run a single national party as opposed to the franchise. A single party – a la PFDJ – would have been consistent with its vanguardist vision and need for total control.

            There was also the beginning of sidelining the killis by providing the “zones” more visibility and passing foreign aid directly to the wereda levels.

            You add it up, and it was obvious the center – now in TPLF hands – was trying to sideline its sisters and reassert its dominance.

            But then the 2005 election happened and the sisters all faced near death experiences. OPDO vs OFC, ANDM vs Qinijit. SEPDM vs Medrek. Each an ethnic competitor. They all panicked and the road to a single party was closed.

            And ten plus years later – here we are.

            Note how today OPDO is planning on remaining and competing as a primarily Oromo ethnic party, contrary to the chatter about EPRDF morphing into a single party.

            It just seems to me Ethiopia’s size and diversity forced TPLF to be a less controlling institution despite its instinct. I would like to think this offers a broader lesson that a larger and more diverse polity inadvertently offers more freedom to individuals and communities than a smaller and more homogeneous polity.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selam Amde:

            So, what I am hearing you saying, is if Tigrayans were 60% of the population and not 6%, then TPLF would have been a mirror image of PFDJ? Thank you for agreeing in advance 🙂

            I am saying this because iSem is on his annual vacation to Rome and he won’t come here with the 17 reasons why the two are different which boils down to 1: TPLF indulges those with founders stock; PFDJ treats like like everyone because the org issued only one stock and its held by IA.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Amde

            It seems like we are heading back to another debate on the the “Nationalities Question”. What is your analysis?

          • Amde

            Selam Aligaz G.

            Methinks “Oromo” and “Amara” are more assimilation machines than Nations or Nationalities.

            But I guess it has always been thus.

            For some odd reason my twitter feed brought me the Argobba. The muslim majority Amara fork (to use programming vernacular). Supposedly they are on the verge of disappearance within a generation. Rather dire prognosis for a population estimated to be over 100K.

            Aligaz G., I used to have a relative we called Gash Aligaz. Is it your name, or a sly working of Ali G. of Da Ali G. Show? Do you claim ወረሴህነት as any self respecting የጁዬ or ላስቴ would? 🙂

            Amde

          • Aligaz G

            Amde

            Amazing. You even know about the waresheik part. Surely you cannot be a relative with a name like Amde menze lion.:) Small universe Awate is. I like to claim the kerenites as relatives but they are a prickly lot. Sabra types. Not worth the hardship pay if you know what I mean

            cheers

          • Amde

            Aligaz G.

            Amde is not my real name. I have relatives who claim ወረሴህነት and I suppose that might put me in the eligible pool. It is a strong brand (as the ferenji might say) and they fascinate me.

            Nothing as exotic as a Kerenite Aligaz though. Prickly is subjective.. እንደ አስተቃቀፉ ነው። አይመስልዎትም?

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            OMG! Although you never said, I do not know why, but, I always thought that Amde is your real name. Maybe it is because you undersign your comments.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            I thought i head u said ur name is amdeberhen. amde is short for amdeberhan? Something like that.

          • Amde

            Tedros

            I said Amde is short for Amdebrahan but I never said it was my real name. I have reasons for using the Amdebrahan virtual name.

            Amde

          • Aligaz G

            Amde

            You know these virtual names can be interesting and evocative. You should take time one day and review settlement and linguistic patterns in the horn. Very interesting. I think friend Hameed must have heard rumors that’s why he wants to deport everybody. There must be experts in this field posting in Awate.

            Prickly as in they have a thousand pound gorilla sitting on top of them and they just can’t breathe.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Fanti,
            If I may……
            ኣይመስለንን ቲፒሊፍ ጉንዲ-ዝወደቐ
            ህያው ኣይትግበሮ ዝዓረገ ዝጸደቐ
            የማንን ጸጋምን መዓጓጉርቱ ስለዝተጸፍዐ
            ፈትዩ ኣይኮነን ዝሃበ እንትርፊ ብብድዐ.

          • saay7

            Selam His Fantiness:

            First, a slight correction: I have been saying what I am saying about the ጉንዲ for a long time, ከይወደቐ ከሎ:) The similarities between the TPLF and PFDJ are structural in nature.

            Let me emphasize it, Semere T style:

            Both are “fronts” with a vanguard mentality and have created a huge culture of dependency and arrested development in their followers. Their fans can literally not envision a country without their fronts in charge and, when they do, all they see is chaos and mayhem.

            “This is the whole of the Torah, the rest is commentary”, as one of the Good Books says.

            Now, for the commentary:

            * Both have created one-party states where the party dominates the State’s political, social and economic space. Political: you are either with them or against the State. They have defined what it means to be a patriot and and they are not subtle about it: to disagree with them is to “mock the martyrdom of our martyrs.” There is no independent media in Tigray. The elections are meto-be-meto. Social meaning all social relationships are subservient to them. Social means culture: they define cultural norms. Economic means they dominate the state’s economy with their parastatals or, as a clever guy called it, partystatals.

            The difference you are pointing out is: to what extent are the parties willing to go to ensure their power monopoly. They are both, I submit to you brutal–and I grant you, the PFDJ is more brutal. The PFDJ fights with dead people, for God’s sake. (Yesterday, our El Bruto would not lay the wreath on two patriots because he had personal issues with them and he delegated the job.) Where the TPLF excels PFDJ is in opening up pressure valves: it does allow people–in its state and in the Diaspora–to rail against its terrible governance. Then, it promises to change. But it never changes. The PFDJ never promises to change and it never changes. In fact, as their El Bruto once said, “nobody makes a promise to anyone in this country.”

            That is the commentary. For the Torah, refer to the vanguard mentality of both fronts and their fans who really can’t envision a State without their party on top.

            Is that a bias against TPLF? Well, yeah, it is a bias against all authoritarian and totalitarian-wannabe parties.

            saay

          • David Samson

            Selamat SAAY,

            “The PFDJ fights with dead people.”

            In a twisted and ironic way, I find it very funny.

          • saay7

            David:

            You can create a game called “Stupid or Evil” where the questions would be policies announced and statements made and actions taken by Isaias Afwerki and his PFDJ. An example would be “Isaias Afwerki has denied the family of Naizghi Kiflu, a veteran EPLF combatant, the right to bury him in his country.”

            “Isaias Afwerki and his PFDJ have told the family of Taha Mohammed Nur (founder of ELF and brother of Musa Mohammed Nur) to pick up their dead loved one from prison.” No martyrs burial place for him. Or Omar Teweel: call family and say “pick up a dead body.”

            And so on. It’s not just evil, but stupid because one is hard pressed to find any reasonable explanation for it other than that IA is so spiteful and so unforgiving he will even fight the dead.

            saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          On my side, I dismissed his philosophy of medemer after he said “ Derg is defeated by Derg,” when in fact, was defeated by the 30 years of our Eritrean struggle.

          • David Samson

            Selam AH,
            He was not speaking to you (Eritrean), but rather to his audience( People who subscribe to Ethiopawnet).

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam David,

            Be it within the context of Eritrea or within the Ethiopian proper “Derg defeat Derg” is not only wrong but also bad politics for the Ethiopian politics in general.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Bragging aside, what 3A trying to say was, derg defeat derg means , derg has no support of ethiopian people(hated by most ethiopians) because derg itself killed a lot of people. If derg had the support of ethiopian people there was no way derg can be defeated. The same thing is true to eprdf.

          • Aligaz G

            Teodros,

            It is true that in 1991 EPLF/TPLF overthrew Derg and took power in Asmara and Addis but without a doubt the main reason for the collapse of the Derg was Gorbachev’s decision to stop Soviet aid starting around 1988. By 1990 the Soviet Bloc was imploding and the fall of the Derg was a foregone conclusion. TPLF were so surprised by the turn of events they stopped fighting for several months trying to figure out what was going on. In typical Meles fashion they even ending up pretending to renounce communism in order to show to their CIA handlers their eligibility for nationwide power. Worldwide around the same time many Soviet bloc nations were disintegrating or changing from authoritarian communist regimes to democracies. In fact the US Govt was actually overwhelmed trying to keep up with events and stopped pretending to manage situations. Even completely losing interest in many countries leading to chaos and later costly blowback in places like Afghanistan Iraq Somalia Yemen etc. Likewise Ethiopia avoided a Yugoslav or Somalia like implosion only through the semi personal interest of Herman Cohn and Paul Henze who shepherded the new EPLF/TPLF led transition and Menguistu’s exit. In other words there are elements of truth to Abiy’s statement that Derg was going to collapse on its own anyway but this runs counter to the mythology of especially the diehard TPLF supporters on this site. These are the same supporters who oppose Issayas’ dictatorship and human rights violations but choose to ignore identical behavior by the TPLF. But in all fairness it appears that saay is beginning to come to tems with the fact that TPLF is a twin of EPLF/PFDJ and in turn the Ethiopian supporters of Abiy on this site must come to tems with the implications of the current ungodly embrace of Issayas. It was fun seeing Debretsion squirm at the Millennium Hall shindig but Issayas should have been arrested and delivered posthaste to the ICC. Addis has unfortunately long become accustomed to hosting wanted criminals like Bashir and other African despots.

            cheers

          • saay7

            Selamat Aligaz:

            But in all fairness it appears that saay is beginning to come to tems with the fact that TPLF is a twin of EPLF/PFDJ

            😂😂😂😂

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            Dear saay

            Do I damn with faint praise? Not well done goes against the medemer mantra. So let me try again because the most important thing is the credibility of the messenger: 100 million including the 5 million still muzzled by 06 are ignored by the likes of Paulos Beyan and Amanuel Hidrat. But now saay has validated the revolution against evil twin tplf. Amazing exchange rate wouldn’t you say?

            cheers

          • saay7

            Aligaz:

            The old don’t remember; and the young never knew to forget.

            Just thought it was funny that you thought I just made the statement you quoted.

            A friend of mine read it and said “that’s why history is the most useless major.”

            Saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay

            Revisionism has its limits unless you are meles. Shall we let the peanut gallery judge? History is an forgiving beast.

          • saay7

            Aligaz:

            You are not interesting enough (yet) to speak in cryptology. What exactly are you saying? Are you saying before Medemer revolution I didn’t equate TPLF with PFDJ, and Tigray (and for that matter all of Ethiopia) being a one-party province? If you are, what you call the “peanut gallery” (Awate Forum) is shaking its collective head at the combination of ignorance and arrogance you exude.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay

            Arrogance is par for the course in Awate. Changing topics and personal attacks are also tactics. If you are telling me it is your long held view that tplf ran a dictatorship in Ethiopia then so be it we are all ignorant at some level. I will try harder to be interesting in the future. Anything else?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Aligaz G
            I think at the end of cold war except Cuba almost all ussr alliance gov collapsed including ussr itself.
            But 2-3 years before the end of cold war, there was system called perestroika in ussr. I think that was the time usa and ussr decided to overthrow derg and that was the time they prepared a military coup which every ethiopian generals participated except the ministry of defence guy.
            Anyway in my opinion, the reason derg defeated was
            1, because of the end of cold war
            2, lack of support from the people
            3, the consequence of 1977 famine
            4, eplf was real power.
            What aman h and tplf (i give them 5%)brag is just inferiority complex. Nothing else.

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Teodros Alem

            In my opinion the military pressure of fronts combined with the end of the cold war led to the overthrow of Derg and takeover by the evil twins. The famine cannot be seen as a proximate cause. EPLF had already moved to conventional war but both evil twins were effective. As for the rest revisionism has its limits unless you are meles. Leave the old fashioned habesha bickering for the short timers currently unemployed who have been put back in their rightful place.

            cheers

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligaz,

            You said: “,,,the overthrow of Derg and takeover by the evil twins …”

            What were you doing at that time when your world collapsed with the Derg?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Aligaz G
            Eplf and tplf were not comparable in military force, u can ask any derg time soldiers, they will tell u. Actually tplf couldn’t even fight face to face with derg untill mid 1990.
            And 1977 famine plays a major role in changing the people sociology, even though i believe the end of cold war was the main reason but people refusal to support derg have a contribution. I mean if people supported derg, it was possible they could survive the colapse of communist block.

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Teodros

            I respectfully disagree and the topic doesn’t really interest me. But since you appear to be interested in serious analysis you might enjoy The Ethiopian Revolution: War in the Horn of Africa by Gebru Tareke.

            cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Aligaz G
            Me too not intersted, i was just responding.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, the village idiot.

            What were you doing when your Derg collapsed? Tell us, don’t be coy.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            U r empty idiot.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, the village idiot [Mamo Qeelu],

            Where were you when the Derg and MEISON were murdering Ethiopian youth in cold blood?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            Nerd.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, the village idiot [Mamo Qeelu],

            Where were you during the crimes of the Derg, what was your role?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            U t topical mamo qeelo.
            Keep barking , where were u, where were u. Nerd.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros, the village idiot [Mamo Qeelo],

            Were you part of the cowardly Derg’s Kebele killer squads?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam simon
            I told u .

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligaz,

            The true reason for the collapse your [armed to the teeth] Derg was becausethe zeraf, zeraf army and cadres like you and Teodros ran away and hid under the bed.

            Aligaz, a phrase that describes you accurately is ‘mediocrity personified’.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Aman Hidrat, of course, plus the 17 years of struggle of the Tigrayan people, and other Ethiopian peoples as well. What the Ethiopian PM said about this issue is also equally insensitive towards the Ethiopian peoples, excepting some of the elites, who suffered a lot under the Derg junta.

      • Beyan

        Dear Sal Y.,

        Thank you! In the age of “fake news”, where politics, culture, and anything in between is open for a bargain, vigilance and criticality will be an asset that one cannot afford not have. Thank goodness there are individuals like you who take their time to unearth what lies buried beneath. Indeed, politics do make strange bedfellows. Glad I shared it. Sharp shooters like you will not let something like this bypass without scrutiny. I will share your note above with the very few individuals that I shared the link with.

        Shukran, Sal!

        Beyan

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Beyan,

      No question Engineer Bekele is the victim of polical power play in the Ethiopian politics. Many Ethiopian people were expecting the PM to cut his visit to the US and return back home, when the city was crying on the death of its beloved son, the chief engineer of the renaissance dam. Actually, the PM wasn’t shocked of the event to heed the call of his citizen, but continue touring the US cities. I don’t think he will be shocked by sad event in Sheshamanie, and give great consideration to address the plagued mob reaction in the Southern part of Ethiopia. He is going by the book, whatever instruction is in his medemer book, that are given in the UAE, the great geopolitical strategy that undermine the realities of his nation. Beside read the link below, a report from “Times”, it will give another angle of understanding of Ethiopia and the geopolitics that undermine the unity of the country.

      https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/africa/2018-06-13-for-ethiopias-abiy-big-reforms-carry-big-risks/

      • Hope

        Selamat Ato Amanuel Hidrat:
        Apologies for the interjection.
        Here is my take on your comment:
        “-Anghet yitefeterew azuro lemayet new”!
        -Think twice before you jump into conclusions and judgements
        -A)what evidence do you have to claim what you u said about Dr Abiy as well the about the circumstance of the death of the Engineer

        B)Don’t you believe that we have more evidence about the TPLF openly declaring to sabotage Dr Abiy’s actions?

        C) Can you read SAAY’s brilliant and spot on counter analysis and make up your mind and retract your comment?
        Your arguements reveal how immature your political analysis is albeit deliberately,most likely due to your biased stand about the TPLF !

        It is so funny to see Dr Beyan to be in your club.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hope,

          Did I mention anything about TPLF in my comment? If you don’t understand what was being said, why don’t keep quite? Why are you keeping to tell us to read this and that commented by others? Pls if you don’t have any comment that doesn’t give added value to the on going debate, don’t come to tell us to read this or that, because debaters know with whom and on what they debate.

          • Hope

            Selamat Amanuel Hidrat:

            As a debater and a forumer, you have also to take into consideration what the others say before you jump into hectic conclusions and judgments–for your best interest.

            Expect to be scrutinized and even to be challenged when you keep doing what you are doing.

            My primary goal of coming here is NOT to add values but to learn and at times to express my self, ask questions and even challenge ideas.

            If u don’t like what I say here, ignore it but am NOT going to ignore you when comment things by grossly insulting the intelligence.

            Try to avoid selective reading and overt bias.I know you didn’t mention the TPLF and that is the problem that you keep attacking the Innocent but shying away form attacking the culprit.

            that job should be reserved for Hayat.

            Here is what you said confidently:

            ” Many Ethiopian people were expecting the PM to cut his visit to the US and return back home, when the city was crying on the death of its beloved son, the chief engineer of the renaissance dam. Actually, the PM wasn’t shocked of the event to heed the call of his citizen, but continue touring the US cities. I don’t think he will be shocked by sad event in Sheshamanie either, and give great consideration to address the plagued mob reaction in the Southern part of Ethiopia. He is going by the book, whatever instruction is in his medemer book, that are given in the UAE, the great geopolitical strategy that undermine the realities of his nation”.

            Follow up Questions:

            a)How in the world did/do/will you rule out that “He was NOT shocked …..and he will not be shocked about ….”?

            b)When he was touring the USA, he was no partying and dancing but addressing the core issues about his country and his people….On National reconciliation and Nation Building.

            what is the problem with reconciling with the Derghi officials?

            Why should he discriminate ?

            If he is not discriminating the corrupted yeken jiboch,why would he sideline others?

            If he does,you will curse him !

            c)On the Domestic violence:

            -Don’t you believe that he has done his best thus far to reconcile and reunite the people fighting and killing each other?

            -Where were you when the TPLF AgAzi Force was killing the Innocent people on the streets and torturing the Youth in the prison camps?

            He has been the one calming down things by touring the affected regions in person and by kicking out the spoilers and the “hanquelti gang members’.

            And who do think might be behind al the domestic violence?

            Did you read/listen to what the Somali Region President testify about your fav tplfites??

            Do you know as to why the Southern Region Nations/nationalities President resign?
            On the Diplomatic Success he has achieved:
            You should rather admire him for getting billions form the UAE to relieve the financial crisis your fav tplfites created.
            What is the problem here?

      • Beyan

        Selam Amanuel H.,

        I just now barely got a chance to see the link I shared generated some interesting discussions. I am going to read the link you shared, but after reading Sal Y.’s account into the source of the authors of “strategic culture”, it is worrying in how easily we can be manipulated where time is scarce to check the source. Let me read on further before I respond to the other fellows below.

        Cheers,
        Beyan

  • I agree with you. Its all about human nature and behaviour.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam girmay
    I think u guys a scared to death.
    And we don’t know exactly what was going on but my guess is there r people extremely mad for what happened for the last 27/100s years and they need revenge.
    I know why u….

  • said

    Greeting Tesfu
    I wrote Initial issue was about Shashemene it is a horrible, I have no idea who has done it and it is done by whom ,for what purpose .other than one who want to create division but Ethiopia much united and bigger than that.. Who ever did it ,they do not know nothing about freedom of religion, they do not know or understand tolerance, compassion nor they know about Islam for matter , they are full Ignorance ,Stupidity , hate and revengeful .only godless, disbeliever and extreme atheist could act this way
    Islam guarantees the protection of Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims. Their houses of worship should be defended from attack and their right to worship according to their choice respected. The right to self-defence was granted in Islam in order to protect freedom of religion.
    Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second Caliph of Islam. After defeating the Romans colonizers , the commander of the faithful, to the people of Jerusalem. He grants them safety for their lives, their property, their churches, and their crucifixes, for their ill, their healthy, and their entire community. Their churches will not be occupied, demolished, or reduced in number. Their churches and crucifixes will not be desecrated famous phosphor Ibn Khaldun reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab entered the sacred house and came to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. He sat inside among its companions until the time of prayer arrived. Umar said to patriarch, “I want to pray.” The patriarch said, “Here is your place of prayer,” but Umar refrained from doing so and instead he prayed upon the staircase near a door apart from the church. When Umar finished his prayer, he said to patriarch: and neither anything else of their property. They will not be coerced to abandon their religion and none of them will be harmed.
    This church still exists today in Jerusalem as the headquarters of the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, even though it was under the authority of Muslims for centuries.

  • said

    Greeting, Blinks and alike atheist,
    Sorry riposted the comments it twice ,you can delete
    Blink you are well known to seamier Christianity,talking badly badly of individual act not adhering to tenant of the faith and you are openly hostile to Islam .I have debated you about faith many times ,you are relentless, you are staunch relegation hater and hard core atheist,no decadency or respect to the people of faith,you vent your hate and bigotry wide-open, you are not rationalist and not progressive and not intellectual person, there is no logical and rational explanations that I can make you understand . I have no problem you being atheist is chose you made , But please do not ask me about what is going in some Muslim counters who are not democratic nation. Any like Christian person ,they are not responsible for American war in Vietnam or any were else for that matter.
    Of course, the act of fanatic and ignorant Muslim one can criticizes some muslin who have wrongly interpreted their faith, however, this criticism is based on the fact that they have strayed from the original teachings of their religion. And this can be said about any religions.
    You are an atheist, believe in Maoism and Stalinism and your godless Communism have killed combined over 100 million good Christian and poor chines people for no wrong of their doing . No ‘ism’, ideology or religion matches Islam in its world-affirmative stance. In regard material world and progress .Muslims should be worked hard earn their living in honest clean way and try to wealthy and affluent and give charity to the poor is a must . It is Satan who promises poverty, not God. In fact, the Qur’an criticizes those who were lazy and who failed to migrate, who could not pull themselves up by their bootstraps; they deserved what they got. To be a Muslim is to live in and to be loyal to this world in peace and harmonies and respect in country law you live in. but not above and beyond our loyalty to Allah. However, every Muslim must correct INJUSTICES evil. It is his duty, just as much as it is his duty to pray five times a day. All citizens of a giving nation must work and establishes justice and an ordered society, regulated by law. From it is inception Islam guarantees justice for all; Madinah was that class of model society. In those days justice had no price. For several centuries under Islamic rule, any citizen who voiced a complaint could be sure that justice would be done. No theory of society can give as much as the Islamic theory of society has given. Society, based on race, ethnicity, nation, class language or history are prototypes of the animal world where dog eats dog. The social order of Islam ends this and brings justice to all. Does Islam deny the value of national, ethnic or linguistic identity and culture? Not at all,it is capital No! Islam recognizes the worth of these national and ethnic groups. Islam does not only tolerate but encourages the development of different ethnic groups. The group has a special perspective on the values affecting people’s lives. Insofar as it exists, national culture is encouraged by Islam.
    Islam is built on the basis of values which are not only for the group which adheres to them but for the whole of mankind to live in peace and harmonies .
    In regards your usual question have never have ends you jump and how about this countries or that group ,I am NOT qualified to answer you ,no one represent Islam , some ME countries are run by absolute dictatorship ,some government are very much against Christian and Jewish find out for yourselves and I know mostly they are against Islamic religion and they are intolerant , they take their orders from white house .for lost soul. Islam is simple and easy to understand .Islam does not present stumbling blocks to the mind. It does not make claims which overwhelm the mind. Islam does not present to a person that which the human intellect cannot grasp. Anyone can understand Islam as it is a universal religion.
    Within Islam, it is both legitimate and right to ask the question: “Why Islam?” Every tenet in Islam is subject to analysis and contention. No other religion is willing to subject its basic fundamentals of faith to such questioning. the most rational of some religious theologians, stopped the use of reason when it came to the basic fundamentals of their faiths. He then tried to justify faith. So to ask “why Judaism or Christianity?” is an illegitimate question. However, Allah invites the question as to “why Islam?”. only for those sincerely wanted to know with good intention .Islam takes the world of life and existence seriously, declaring it to be full of meaning and purpose. Life is not a sport or any kind easy go entertainment or entitlements ,or empty and shallow of value and morality , nor is it purposeless. From the Islamic perspective, everything has meaning because the concept of God’s purpose in creation gives meaning to human life. The Muslim is never bored with life; there is no existential anxiety in Islam. The Muslim can see the working of the good purposes of the divine Creator in everything. The Muslim lives in a world where life is full of meaning and purpose and this means the Muslim never loses his spiritual and physical and mental balance
    Everything in Islam is subject to rational pursuit .Islam is also a rational system which not only allows questions but raises knowledge to a new level of dignity and respect. No other religion has exalted knowledge and its pursuit, as has Islam. In fact, for the first time in human history, a religious book invited people to question the creation of the universe and stated that in it (the universe) were signs for people of knowledge..
    Islam encourages its followers to ask why Islam. Islam is an intellectual and historical religion. There are no secrets and no mysteries which cannot be understood by an ordinary person.
    Hinduism legitimize upper-caste domination and legitimizes idolatry for the less educated, as it says, not all people can understand the higher religion of the Brahmans. However, for the Hindu, if he has not been born in India, he is unclean; for the Jews, the sacred law only applied to them and for the Christian, there is no salvation outside the Church.
    Islam does not force a person to choose between various religions as it has included the essential teachings of all religions in its universal message. The Islamic concept is that, to every people, Allah sends a Messenger and that in their present religion or ideology they must have retained some kernel of truth from the original teachings of that religion which was, of course, the teachings of the primordial religion
    Islam views inter-religious dialogue as an internal discussion, not as a discussion with outsiders because, from its perspective, all mankind are members of a universal religious brotherhood. So the differences Islam has with other religions are regarded as internal differences. Islam, therefore, was the first religion in the world to call for the critical examination of religious texts. The Muslim says, in effect, to other religions: “Let us together examine the Holy Books of our religions and compare the contents
    faith the original teachings of our respective religions and examine how far we have adhered to, or gone astray from these original teachings.” Muslims, therefore, never attack other religions. Islam, in particle term however, accepts the personal morality and values of Jesus, the concept of liberating a human being from materialism found in Hinduism in India , as well as the practical ethics for harmony in human society as found in Confucianism in china .Islam declares a person to be born sinless with a clean slate. The human being was not born evil but rather he was created good and equipped by nature to fulfill his duties. From the Islamic point of view, the drama of a person’s life is something that takes place after birth and not before. Islam does not record a human being as a degradation of the divine as it regards a human being as having instincts which are pure and good. The fact remain Islam does not divide the soul and life of a person into two compartments, i.e. religious or ethical and verbal or material. Islam regards the human being as an integral whole. All of his actions and instincts are part and parcel of his being together with his hopes, fears, certitude, faith, and conviction.
    Islam is world-affirmative. For the Muslim the world is good. It is a blessing, it has been created good, to be enjoyed. Islam does not view the world as a demon, it is not valued as being satanic or evil. It is not a degraded kingdom. The world is the only kingdom; the hereafter is not a kingdom but merely a place of Judgment for a human person’s actions during his life. For Muslims, the world is a beautiful place. What is wrong, is its misuse under moral law. Islam is affirmative action in a social setting; it is neither abstract nor isolationist.
    But it is subject to the universal law of Allah. The interests of the nation or group must be subject to the moral law, through the time god send low , which encompasses the whole of mankind. Islam created a world society and it was Islam, over 1400 years ago, that first established a working system of international law.
    It was only in the 20th century that the West started to develop international law. Grotius contributed only wishful thinking. In the West, international law existed only in the imagination until after World War I when the League of Nations was established. The present system of international law is far is mostly applied to poor nation just a single court in the Hague. If we want to solve international problems we must make justice under international law possible for everyone.
    the period of Arab Muslim rule over the Iberian peninsula was arguably the only time in European history when Muslims, Jews and Christians lived relatively peacefully together, producing a common culture and harmonious society. Please find link. https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2018/07/lessons-golden-era-andalusia-180730080323956.html

  • said

    Greeting,
    Blinks and alike atheist,
    Blink you are well known to seamier Christianity and you are openly hostile Islam .I have debated you about faith many times ,you relentless , your staunch atheist, not rationalist and not progressive and not intellectual person there is no logical and rational explanations that I can make you understand .please do not ask me about what is going in some Muslim counters ,like Christian are not responsible for American war in Vietnam or any were else for that matter .
    Of course, the act of fanatic and ignorant Muslim one can criticizes some muslin who have wrongly interpreted their faith, however, this criticism is based on the fact that they have strayed from the original teachings of their religion. And this can be said about any religions.
    You are an atheist, believe in Maoism and Stalinism and your godless Communism have killed combined over 100 million good Christian and poor chines people for no wrong of their doing . No ‘ism’, ideology or religion matches Islam in its world-affirmative stance. In regard material world and progress .Muslims should be worked hard earn their living in honest clean way and try to wealthy and affluent and give charity to the poor is a must . It is Satan who promises poverty, not God. In fact, the Qur’an criticizes those who were lazy and who failed to migrate, who could not pull themselves up by their bootstraps; they deserved what they got. To be a Muslim is to live in and to be loyal to this world in peace and harmonies and respect in country law you live in. but not above and beyond our loyalty to Allah. However, every Muslim must correct INJUSTICES evil. It is his duty, just as much as it is his duty to pray five times a day. All citizens of a giving nation must work and establishes justice and an ordered society, regulated by law. From it is inception Islam guarantees justice for all; Madinah was that class of model society. In those days justice had no price. For several centuries under Islamic rule, any citizen who voiced a complaint could be sure that justice would be done. No theory of society can give as much as the Islamic theory of society has given. Society, based on race, ethnicity, nation, class language or history are prototypes of the animal world where dog eats dog. The social order of Islam ends this and brings justice to all. Does Islam deny the value of national, ethnic or linguistic identity and culture? Not at all,it is capital No! Islam recognizes the worth of these national and ethnic groups. Islam does not only tolerate but encourages the development of different ethnic groups. The group has a special perspective on the values affecting people’s lives. Insofar as it exists, national culture is encouraged by Islam.
    Islam is built on the basis of values which are not only for the group which adheres to them but for the whole of mankind to live in peace and harmonies .
    In regards your usual question have never have ends you jump and how about this countries or that group ,I am NOT qualified to answer you ,no one represent Islam , some ME countries are run by absolute dictatorship ,some government are very much against Christian and Jewish find out for yourselves and I know mostly they are against Islamic religion and they are intolerant , they take their orders from white house .for lost soul. Islam is simple and easy to understand .Islam does not present stumbling blocks to the mind. It does not make claims which overwhelm the mind. Islam does not present to a person that which the human intellect cannot grasp. Anyone can understand Islam as it is a universal religion.
    Within Islam, it is both legitimate and right to ask the question: “Why Islam?” Every tenet in Islam is subject to analysis and contention. No other religion is willing to subject its basic fundamentals of faith to such questioning. the most rational of some religious theologians, stopped the use of reason when it came to the basic fundamentals of their faiths. He then tried to justify faith. So to ask “why Judaism or Christianity?” is an illegitimate question. However, Allah invites the question as to “why Islam?”. only for those sincerely wanted to know with good intention .Islam takes the world of life and existence seriously, declaring it to be full of meaning and purpose. Life is not a sport or any kind easy go entertainment or entitlements ,or empty and shallow of value and morality , nor is it purposeless. From the Islamic perspective, everything has meaning because the concept of God’s purpose in creation gives meaning to human life. The Muslim is never bored with life; there is no existential anxiety in Islam. The Muslim can see the working of the good purposes of the divine Creator in everything. The Muslim lives in a world where life is full of meaning and purpose and this means the Muslim never loses his spiritual and physical and mental balance
    Everything in Islam is subject to rational pursuit .Islam is also a rational system which not only allows questions but raises knowledge to a new level of dignity and respect. No other religion has exalted knowledge and its pursuit, as has Islam. In fact, for the first time in human history, a religious book invited people to question the creation of the universe and stated that in it (the universe) were signs for people of knowledge..
    Islam encourages its followers to ask why Islam. Islam is an intellectual and historical religion. There are no secrets and no mysteries which cannot be understood by an ordinary person.
    Hinduism legitimize upper-caste domination and legitimizes idolatry for the less educated, as it says, not all people can understand the higher religion of the Brahmans. However, for the Hindu, if he has not been born in India, he is unclean; for the Jews, the sacred law only applied to them and for the Christian, there is no salvation outside the Church.
    Islam does not force a person to choose between various religions as it has included the essential teachings of all religions in its universal message. The Islamic concept is that, to every people, Allah sends a Messenger and that in their present religion or ideology they must have retained some kernel of truth from the original teachings of that religion which was, of course, the teachings of the primordial religion
    Islam views inter-religious dialogue as an internal discussion, not as a discussion with outsiders because, from its perspective, all mankind are members of a universal religious brotherhood. So the differences Islam has with other religions are regarded as internal differences. Islam, therefore, was the first religion in the world to call for the critical examination of religious texts. The Muslim says, in effect, to other religions: “Let us together examine the Holy Books of our religions and compare the contents
    faith the original teachings of our respective religions and examine how far we have adhered to, or gone astray from these original teachings.” Muslims, therefore, never attack other religions. Islam, in particle term however, accepts the personal morality and values of Jesus, the concept of liberating a human being from materialism found in Hinduism in India , as well as the practical ethics for harmony in human society as found in Confucianism in china .Islam declares a person to be born sinless with a clean slate. The human being was not born evil but rather he was created good and equipped by nature to fulfill his duties. From the Islamic point of view, the drama of a person’s life is something that takes place after birth and not before. Islam does not record a human being as a degradation of the divine as it regards a human being as having instincts which are pure and good. The fact remain Islam does not divide the soul and life of a person into two compartments, i.e. religious or ethical and verbal or material. Islam regards the human being as an integral whole. All of his actions and instincts are part and parcel of his being together with his hopes, fears, certitude, faith, and conviction.
    Islam is world-affirmative. For the Muslim the world is good. It is a blessing, it has been created good, to be enjoyed. Islam does not view the world as a demon, it is not valued as being satanic or evil. It is not a degraded kingdom. The world is the only kingdom; the hereafter is not a kingdom but merely a place of Judgment for a human person’s actions during his life. For Muslims, the world is a beautiful place. What is wrong, is its misuse under moral law. Islam is affirmative action in a social setting; it is neither abstract nor isolationist.
    But it is subject to the universal law of Allah. The interests of the nation or group must be subject to the moral law, the Shariah, which encompasses the whole of mankind. Islam created a world society and it was Islam, over 1400 years ago, that first established a working system of international law.
    It was only in the 20th century that the West started to develop international law. Grotius contributed only wishful thinking. In the West, international law existed only in the imagination until after World War I when the League of Nations was established. The present system of international law is far is mostly applied to poor nation just a single court in the Hague. If we want to solve international problems we must make justice under international law possible for everyone.
    the period of Arab Muslim rule over the Iberian peninsula was arguably the only time in European history when Muslims, Jews and Christians lived relatively peacefully together, producing a common culture and harmonious society. Please find link. https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeeraworld/2018/07/lessons-golden-era-andalusia-180730080323956.html

    • Blink

      Dear said
      By now I assume you know I don’t appreciate a collection of bogus things. I asked you a question based on your fancying of Islamic way of looking at other people other than Muslims and here you are asking me to read full of lies and deception marketed by people who are apologetic to the news not to the act that happened on the name of their religion. Christians have killed millions of people and Islamists are stepping to the level where they see anyone as enemy if he didn’t kneel down to the hypocrisy that they tend to entertain, this killings start at their home to their own kids on the name of honer killings as well as fatwa .

      You said “No theory of society can give as much as the Islamic theory of society has given” what exactly do Islamic theory gave to society? Mention one that you think is positive. Ok I read on the early time Islamic scholars were too good to their people but against their religion and guess where they all end up ? Mashati .
      There is zero interesting theory any society can benefit from Islamic theory. Zero chance of any good . It has been tested and debunked just like the economy of the Islamic theory. You guys Christians and Muslims need to start thinking about good things because I don’t see your guys are here to save you . The earth I mean our planet is alone just like mars .

      • said

        Greetings,
        Blink
        You are right about mars since you are talking about Science and Space,
        Let me introduce you to Miss Clare Forestier in link below may be she will make some sense to you in langue that you understand better about earthly advancement. Science and about black holes,, that may make some logic to you. In a few verses, the Qur’an describes what modern science has learned about black holes so far: they are finite, funnel-shaped, and cannot be observed directly. The Qur’an takes things one step further by asserting they also act as a portal to another universe. Watch to find out what science has to say about that. Please see the link
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshZ5n4gHYo
        A book that challenges its readers Long ago, it spoke about the sky that has the bounce and the earth that has the crack. We laymen could not fathom the full meaning of these terms… but Einstein did! Please find link

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t86nTHTHcU8

        • Blink

          Dear said
          Why do I do to you to tell me Islam is open for question and try to make it modern science based ? Pls don’t try it.

    • AMAN

      Greetings ( continued…. )
      2 .
      Seond, Islam which was only
      practiced in the form of judaism and christianity before, came to be revealed and told to the then lost and who were so dwviated amd even sinner Arab tribes of Arabia deserta through Mohamed and his teachings which himself was taught by khedija. Khedija already knows about the pre islamic religions of juaeo chrstianity but since as a woman she is not allowed to teach or say anything according to the paternalstic arab traditions, she only had had to teach her servant and helper in her bussiness emyerprise Mohamed
      as she married him. This happened about 1400 years ago in about 638 AD aftere the coming of Jesus and the Mohamedan teaching or form of wrship got widespread acceptance in the newly liberated Arabia as a result of the feud and fighting that resulted between the Greek and the other Christians in judaea in the dispute of how to accept jesus and how to worship God or christiaity. This gave the new Mohammedans of Arabian desert to amend some part and copy the most part of judaeo christianity as it is and form another group called Mohamedans

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista,
    I think understanding history is a key to understanding current events, as there is nothing that develops out of the blue; historical events are just like the seconds, minutes, hours ,etc, of time, that proceed one after another in a linear fashion. The current Eritrean reality has roots, at least, from what transpired after Isayas and co. separated from the mother ELF org., officially complaining about the mismanagement of the struggle, and ethnic/religious discrimination, where according to them, the then Moslem Eritrean lowland dominated ELF committed acts of terror against the mainly Christian highlanders, both against the combatants and the civilian population. The pamphlet distributed by the breakaway group in early 1970’s, the Nihnan Elamanan, has ample description of what I’m trying to say here. I want for our historians, and those who might have first hand experience of those events, to share with us their opinions about this claim by the breakawy Isayas group. How much of it is really true? Was it a propaganda by Isayas and co. so as to hijack the Eritrean armed struggle and turn it in the way they wished; towards more Eritrean Christian highlanders controlled? Was this interest also shared by the then ruling Ethiopian regimes and Western powers? For example, Weldeyesus Ammar, in one of his recent interviews mentions that Isayas was actually urging and warning them not to join the ELF, labelling the org as a Jihadist and anti-Christians. Yet, after Isayas failed his first year university courses in Addis Abeba university, Weldeyesus Amar and co. were surprised to discover that Isayas indeed had joined the ELF. I know discussing such issues are almost considered as a taboo in the Eritrean political space; but I think we have to discuss them and come to terms with them, as they could be the main reasons for our current predicament, and hence could offer solutions towards addressing our sorry state of affairs. I’m highly convinced the base of the ruling DIA regime is mainly in the Eritrean Christian Tigrinyas, and this type of loyalty at any price is particularly manifested in the Eritrean diaspora community, esp. in North America and Europe. One exihibit, look at how they were ridiculing and harassing an Eritrean Moslem woman who asked questions to Isayas in the early 1990’s during his visit to the US; questions that were not to the liking of him and his supporters. That clip is available on youtube.
    ሓባኢ ቅስሉ ሓባኢ ፈውሱ ከም ዝበሃል, we can’t just shy away from discussing such issues, and pretend as if they are not important, when, as a matter of fact, they are the elephant in the room of our current seemingly irreconcilable atmosphere.
    PS. I’m not saying all Christian highlanders/Tigrinya are supporters and enablers of the DIA regime, but most of the enablers are indeed from this section of our society. Neither am I saying that there are no Moslem lowlanders who also support the DIA regime for various reasons.

    • Blink

      Dear Abraham
      I don’t think you are being fair to ELF and I think you didn’t read ELF history well . The first casualty of ELF were not Christians , the first ELF casualty were Muslims and I hope you go back and read more . Second you are just making outlandish claims that you purposely trying to make a point by making false historical claims.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Wanaw Ethiopiawi Blink,

        Didn’t you hear your master has declared it blatantly that he is a ture Ethiopian? He told you without hesitation that the GAME is OVER. I think the game over news will reach you after eight years. Anyhow, that is not our problem. At present, all true Eritreans deem the game with fake Eritreans is over. The pearl from husk is distinguished. A new page is opened for true Eritreans.

        • Blink

          Dear hameed
          Come back when you are not sober.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Wanaw Ethiopiawi Blink,

            We don’t have in Eritrea whether in the highland or lowlands brutes, pyrats, robbers, liars, denials, unsympathetic, sadists, extreme haters to Eritreans. Your god has forced Eritreans to leave their beloved homeland. He refused to bring back refugees. He assassinated prominent leaders during struggle era or after our independence. By all measures Eritreanism is not applied to you and your likes. The items you trade with is worn. Today, Eritreans are brand new after the remnants have crossed the border.

          • Blink

            Dear hameed
            Come back when you are not sober because as I can see you are drunk and your diarrhea mind is not functioning well .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Wanaw Ethiopiawi Blink,

            You speak, dream and function in accordance with what you hold in your mindset. You think all the people have the same behavior like you. You have to understand every person is different from the other. We have in our world seven billion different finger prints. that means, every individual has his own world. It is not like your mantra “nihna nissu and nissu nihna”, which is meaningless and composed by some insane guy.This doesn’t happen even in primitive societies.

            The comment you have written just speaks about you. Comment in this forum when you are sober and clean from your stinking and rotting mind.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Blink, what exactly are you refuting here? That which is written in the hand written manifesto Nihnan Elamanan, which was distributed by the Isayas group to rally the Tigrinya Christian highlanders? What I referred from Weldeyesus Ammar’s account? Or the video clip from the US where DIA and his supporters were harrassing the Muslim woman? Please be presise instead of throwing a diarrhea of meaningless words. Besides, you are not going to decieve anybody here by seeming to be uninterested in religion, ethnicism, regionalism, etc, because it is very visible you are probably the worst religious/ethnic bigot in this forum. Please keep your dirty books for yourself.

        • Blink

          Dear Abraham
          I thought you were accusing ELF. what’s that you think I am being bigot against religion or ethnic? Mention them one by one then I will explain.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Blink, it is very clear that I’m not accusing the ELF here; rather what I’m doing is pointing to some historical aspects and claims by the Isayas group regardig crimes committed by the ELF on ethnic Tigrinyas, and asking the forum for opinion about these issues. I’m also commenting on the need of addressing ethnic/religious/regional contadictions that have existed within Eritrea, and that could be some of the reasons that are maintaining the current terrible state of afairs of our nation. The rest of your comment, I don’t want to spend any effort, as your bad and rude language towards others that you differ with is readily available on the forum.
            In case you are interested to have some first hand eyewitness account about Isayas even from the time before he joined the armed struggle, you may need to listen to the two-parts interview by his former classmate Weldeyesus Ammar. Search on youtube, sbs Tigrinya. If you want to refute the first hand account of Weldeyesus Ammar, that is another thing.

          • Blink

            Dear Abraham
            First I wanted to tell you I listened to weldeyesus Amar , I also read his book that he wrote when he was in Iraq. Second everything you are saying is a lie and pure lie that you and your alike in this forum tried and get beaten in selling false historical accounts connected dots of lies by people who are identical twins to you . Third , rudeness and telling the truth is similar to you because you are a fledgling case of lies about this . You accused me many times and I ignored your lousy empty words because I know there is nothing educational about it. Get your facts and stop making more lies . Weldeyesus Amar is an ELF and a hater of EPLF and he can narrate more and more but what do you expect from an ex-ELF to say about EPLF .

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Blink, you see how cunning and dishonest you are? First you accussed me of being not fair to ELF, as if to show that you are defender of the org. and now you are telling me that you cannot believe what Ammar says, because he is an ELF and hence anti EPLF. As I’ve told you before, you are such a liar and fake guy; as such there is nothing good that comes out of arging with you. Remember you still have not proven me wrong on the claims I made, other than throwing your usual rubbish words. Anyway, bye, for now.

          • Blink

            Dear Abraham
            Just clapping for your calculus book. I defend anyone who is accused of ethicists of doing harm . I believe both organizations made a mistake but not from an ethnic perspective or religious perspective but here you are accusing EPLF of this and that based on lies . Cunning plan is born with people like you who live and die stashed inside with lies .

  • Hayat Adem

    Mr. Kim, Eyob, Abi, Amde, Horizon and Fanit etc,
    If what I just heard about the things that happened in Shashemene today is authenticate, then your country is not okay, guys. This can’t be what you were wishing to see.
    One of the cruelest bibilical crimes done in history was recorded to be the crusification of Jesus. The Shashmene Querro have upped it by making it upside down. It is something not only Ethiopians, the entire neighborhood of nations and the entire humanity will abhor it in the strongest language and emotions. It is also something that will cast doubt if human decency has to precede democracy. Dearest Ethiopian friends, I urge to really really

    • Paulos

      Selam Hayatina,

      That is really sad and evil. Not sure who the target is this time around.

      Yesterday, I saw Debretsion along side Abiy visiting Our Spiritual Father Patriarch Mathewos and it was really heart warming to see them together where it remains curious the fact that Debretsion was in Addis when the Isaias gangs happened to be in Addis as well. More over, when the old guards were “game overed” by Isaias, Seyium Mesfin is sent to Japan as a special envoy. So much!

      P.S.
      Kim Hanna–Pro EPRDF.
      Eyob–Kinda Pro-EPRDF.
      Amde—Extremely cautious ultra-kinda Pro-EPRDF.
      Fantination—Pro-peace on Earth and a Saint par-excellence. In fact, Fantination logs on to Awate from Heaven.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Paul,
        I don’t know from whom I heard it but the goes like this:
        There was a hungry sneak which spotted a half full milk bottle. The sneak thought of the obvious action and went in to enjoy all. But it became too fat to get out. So he has to spit it all and empty himself to get out of the bottle trap. For a while, it felt like a victroy that he made it to the outside. But the first dectating realities were as they were: the sneak is èmpty stomack, milk was there and milk was a good food. Sneaks care none for or have zero memory of the past. So the sneak went in to the bottle again acted as if there was no history to learn from. So it goes on and on: going in, trapped in again, emptying self again.. again and again..
        Ethiopia is not learning. Every medemer must not be mistaken for milk. PM has invited qnd collected all criminals and criminal minded people without having the institutions and political infrastructures to manage the. For example, the Shashemene incidence is nothing but the result of the weed seeds of Jowar and his work mate in the Team Lemma, all from the past. Don’t be fooled by what they say now. Remember that they have been sowing a lot in the short past. Today is a harvest time from seeds of those times.

        • Mez

          Good day Hayat A,

          The best solutions for the conflicts we see in Etiopia are all not so easy. They need a lot of work from every one; including you.

          a) rule of law (solid police, court ),
          b) more work on institutions (strengthening a neutral election commission & Atorny general in all levels),
          c) convene an open political conference (by all political parties) to brain storm on solutions–at all levels and see what profetionals offer. Then enhance based on that.
          d) More lively state and federal parlament, (as of now they are like half-breathing & not healthy),
          e) job creation, job creation, job creation. It can’t be over stressed. The main focus shall be on small and family owned businesses, less than five working manpower, (small llc’s). E.g. Germany’s 98% global export is comming from such small productive, mostly family owned, entities. Close to 70% of their working forces are employed in these small businesses.

          ….

          PS: the type of thinking, “that one is correct”, “the other one is completely incorrect” is not going to work–even if someone recite it day in day out.

          Thanks

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam hayat
      What do u say about refusal of building mosque for Muslims in axum and refusing to have a burial place in axum, don’t u think that kind of thing worse than what happened in shashmena? And don’t u think that sort of thing is root cause of the problem? By the way what happen in shashmena is nothing to do with religion.

    • said

      Greetings,
      First of All,. Please get your fact clear not that of what your heard from someone .everyone knows your political view and based on ethnicity and advocacy ,you are saying ( If what I just heard about the things that happened in Shashemene today is authenticate) the Shashemene could be an incidence nothing less nothing more . I have no idea who did this honorable act and to what end and with zero benefit, other than to create division but Ethiopia much united and bigger than that.. Who ever did it ,they do not know nothing about freedom of religion, they do not know or understand tolerance, compassion nor they know about Islam for matter , they are full Ignorance ,Stupidity , hate and revengeful .only godless, disbeliever and extreme atheist ,will act against all religions and that history is full of that including our NUS past and some leaders played religion to their advantage. let me tell some elementary fact.
      Islam guarantees the protection of Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims. Their houses of worship should be defended from attack and their right to worship according to their choice respected. The right to self-defence was granted in Islam in order to protect freedom of religion..
      Allah said: Were Allah not to check people by means of others, there would have been demolished the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is often mentioned.
      Surat Al-Hajj 22:40 this verse is the prohibition of demolishing the churches their temples or their symbolism , and their houses of worship. It is part of the tolerance, compassion extended to all. Allah loves for their worship to be protected in any case.
      The general rule in Islam is that any peaceful and law-abiding non-Muslim enjoys the same basic human rights as Muslims. In fact, if any non-Muslim is oppressed by a Muslim, the Prophet will plead on behalf of the non-Muslim against the unjust Muslim on the Day of Judgment.
      Perhaps the best example of strictly safeguarding the rights of our brethren Christians in early Islamic history was the practice of Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second Caliph of Islam. After defeating the Romans colonizers and neutralizing, Umar promised all the native Christians, mainly orthodox in Jerusalem that their lives, their property, their houses of worship, their religious icons, and their entire communities would be protected by the Muslims.
      As reported and well known by decree In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. This is what is granted of security by the servant of Allah, Umar, the commander of the faithful, to the people of Jerusalem. He grants them safety for their lives, their property, their churches, and their crucifixes, for their ill, their healthy, and their entire community. Their churches will not be occupied, demolished, or reduced in number. Their churches and crucifixes will not be desecrated famous phosphor Ibn Khaldun reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab entered the sacred house and came to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. He sat inside among its companions until the time of prayer arrived. Umar said to patriarch, “I want to pray.” The patriarch said, “Here is your place of prayer,” but Umar refrained from doing so and instead he prayed upon the staircase near a door apart from the church. When Umar finished his prayer, he said to patriarch: and neither anything else of their property. They will not be coerced to abandon their religion and none of them will be harmed.
      This church still exists today in Jerusalem as the headquarters of the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, even though it was under the authority of Muslims for centuries.
      Respect and Tolerance in every religions, there are extremist and frantic grope Islam is tolerant of other religions and regards them as religiously legitimate or de jure. In accepting other religions as legitimate, Islam, therefore, accepts their adherents. No other religion has given equal treatment to other religions as has Islam for over 1400 years. As we well know, Judaism and Roman Catholicism were illegal in the time of Queen Elizabeth I. In Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella, it was illegal to have any religion other than Catholicism, and Muslims and Jews had to choose baptism, exile or death. In the Middle East, some Christian sects, which were brutally eliminated by their fellow Christians in Europe, have survived after fourteen centuries of Muslim rule. Secular regimes do not respect religion. They look down upon religion; either they believe any religion will do or they believe no religion is acceptable. The tolerance of other religions in Islam comes from respect because Islam says in every person there is an embryonic fitra or purity planted in all human beings at birth and in every religion there is a basic kind of the original deen al-fitra
      To conclude, Christians and Muslim should enjoy freedom of religion and worship within the boundaries of civil law. Their houses of worship should be protected and defended from anyone who might want to harm them.

      • Blink

        Dear said
        You said “ The tolerance of other religions in Islam comes from respect because Islam says in every person there is an embryonic fitra or purity planted in all human beings at birth and in every religion there is a basic kind of the original deen al-fitra.”
        Can you mention one Muslim majority country where other minority’s religion is respected? Just mention one . All ME Muslim countries deported all their Jews communities and others . Just look at Saudi where any religion is prohibited and look at the Christians in Egypt where they find themselves inside a cooking oven .

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Said,
        You starting by advising to get my dacts straight but you said similar things in describing and condomining and also prescribing similar to those of mine.
        It is like someone is saying “turn right”. And another one is reactively yelling out: YOU ARE WRONG and I STRONGLY DISAGREE. I RATHER SAY TURN RIGHT.

    • Peace!

      Hi Hayata,

      Sorry, Why are you too conscious only on negative things as if the country was in heaven the last 27 years? The country you dearly love is in transition, and of course there are challenges and there will be challenges down the road, no body said it would be a cakewalk. So far she seems to be doing well that what so far has been accomplished cannot be reversed by exaggerating selective incidents and blindingly absolving TPLF criminals who are taking advantage of የመደመር ስጦታ.

      It is ironic to see such irresponsible negativity coming from someone who was silent when TPLF murdered women and children in a broad-daylight. ብድሕሪና ሳዕሪ ኣይብቆላ? ዓገብ!

      Peace!

      • Blink

        Dear peace
        The picture if true is inhuman and simply beyond anything any human being can imagine. Such things can only be imagined by ISS .

        • Peace!

          Hi Blink,

          I have seen it, really sad. But my point was it should not be used to portray as if the whole country is in chaos when there are positive developments that deserve attention for Eritreans genuinely concerned about Ethiopia. Siyum Mesfin has signed up to serve his country, Somali region is now in a relative peace after TPLF’s monster captured, and the reconciliation seems going good with religious leaders continue to plea politicians to consider country first…the list goes on. Hayata needs to chill out.

          Peace!

          • Blink

            Dear peace
            I wasn’t objecting to your points , I was just asking if it is true unless hayat will deny the weyane killings.

      • Hayat Adem

        Peace,
        You don’t seem to get it all. What happened in Shashemene is a big deal. You think you can trivialize an event like that? It is something larger than politics of the day. This is a horrible scar on humanity and morality that will in some way characterize all of us living in this space and time. This is not about the actors but about the act.
        ————
        Weak people argue in a very weird way. If you tell them something bad news today, they invoke past mistakes and use to justfy today’s. That is like if there were murder in the past, we should not voice against murders of today. It is very difficult to understand some people’s reasoning.
        ————-
        Peace is one of those I am talking about Whenever I spoke of wrongs committed today, he challenges me invoking my silence in the past when he thought similar crimes were being committed by TPLF. That is very weak processing of thoughts. Two mistakes will never make one correct act. For one thing, you can’t justify today’s crimes by yesterday’s crimes. Whoever was against them will always be against them. Whoever is against crimes was always against them. That is the logic.
        In that sense, you peace were against crimes you believed were done by Tplf. If you truly were such, you can not turn a blind eye when they are committed today. But look at how you are trying to trivialise the Shashemen incidence. That shows your focus is not on what happened but on who did them. Once your interest is on the actor, you will not hsve a problem of fabrcating crimes as long as it helps you implicate the target actor.
        ————
        Examples of fallacied arguments:
        Q to Dr Abiy: Why are you not allowing people to discuss Badime and the border issues before decisions are made.
        Abiy: Have we ever discussed when we let Assab go?
        Q: Eprdf is weakened today much worse than ever in its history.
        Abiy: Why would you think Eprdf gets weajer because it is being led by an Oromo?
        ______
        Hayat: What has happened in Shashemene is horrible and cruel.
        Peace: What has happened in the 27 yrs is horrible and you never said anything about them. Why now?
        —–(extended)—–
        Hayat: why not now?
        Peace: why not in the past?
        Hayat: I was not born in the past.
        Peace: Why do you have to be born now?
        Hayat: I don’t have to born. I was born.
        Peace: But why now?
        Hayat: why now? emmmm…
        Peace: You see, Hayata… it is not that obvious as you think .. it is very complicated.
        –””’
        And upvotes for peace from nitricc, blink, gheteb, abi, teodros, fishmilk…
        peace n’hayat zigedefela yeblun…

        • Peace!

          Hayata,

          Haha..Not at all:) there is nothing I need to digging to know more problems when everything can be solved once the country enjoys peace. Do you think you are helping by adding fuel to already engulfing fire? Is it that part I am failing to get it? Come on! The truth is I have been consistently saying the country is in a critical juncture and what’s at stake can’t be higher that wining is a MUST, not an option.

          As for upvote, You can see me I don’t spend a split second to make my comments attractive for up votes. I speak my mind, and when I make a mistake, I admit and apologize.

          No matter how creative you are, you were on the wrong side of history for years and that cannot be washed by making just simple rather sarcastic sentence. More importantly, your years of advocacy took TPLF down, inflicted heavy damage on Eritrean Oppositions, and ultimately helped PFDJ. Of course who’s fault is that, Jawar, Mirara, and the rest of Ethiopian people-TPLF.

          Peace!

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam hayat
          But what u doing right now is exaggerating the last 4 months short comings when in fact things r getting better comparing to before4 month and don’t forget ur stand on the much biger crimes of last 27 years.
          That lead me to say, for u it’s not about ethiopia or the killing but it is hating 3A and u r Hypocrite(the big one).

          • Peace!

            Hi TA,

            I think she put you in “not getting it” group. What Hayat is saying TPLF or Disintegration that any positive development is irrelevant.

            Peace!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam peace( selam bus)
            disintegration or tplf? now days unless if u don’t see it with a weirdo eyes, it is not gonna happen , i mean the reality on the ground don’t allow that, it is not as u guys trying to paint it.but tigrai separation or tplf can be possible and i think ethiopian people will love it.

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Remember she is saying she knows nothing about the weyane killings.While It is established fact that weyane killed hundreds of thousands, these dead are with out the wounded plus deported from one region to other. Hayat can’t see the guilty consequences of weyane.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Tplf is not just about killing but more about the cause of a killing .
            1 thing for sure u have to know is , they will pay a good price about it( directly or indirectly), u can simply make them pay by discrimination and that leads them to suffer in a much poverty.

      • Paulos

        Selam Abi Seb,

        Apparently, the TPLF you love to hate is coming out stronger than ever where the unity with the Tigrean people seems to be Day-One as if the struggle was starting way back in Dedebit. Curious though, what do you make of the new unity?

        • Peace!

          Hi Paulosay,

          Unity for ruling Ethiopia again or for making Tigray great? I would be happy with latter, but for looting other people’s God given resources? ነውሪ

          Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            I absolutely agree! It is indeed ነውሪ። What is more ነውሪ is however, when the people who have seen a better life in every conceivable measure with in the last 27 years elect to be ungrateful simply because the change was brought about by the blood and sweat of Tigreans. What the Tigreans seem to have learned at long last is the fact that, no more custodians of a greater Ethiopia but the new driving motto is “Tigrai First.”

            *I am stepping out, if I don’t respond, will do when I am free later on.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Should I say the following to you:?

            Any Eritrean who doesn’t worship Issu and doesn’t genuflect daily before PFDJ is an ungrateful prat and a hypocrite. After all Issu through his sweat and toil gave you freedom and liberation plus a unified independent Eritrea. Issu also through his everlasting goodness gave you PFDJ an organization jealously and heroically safeguarding Eritrea’s precious independence for the last 27 years. But you Paulos are an ungrateful wretch whining about trivialities from the comfort of the west. Karma is a beast.

            Ethiopians hardly need lectures from you about TPLF. Dear friend you diminish yourself.

            Why?

          • Paulos

            Selam Aligaz,

            Maybe we should stick with the joy that comes with the Sciences and Living Philosophies for the issue at hand will throw us onto the vicious cycle of compare and contrast of the two Fronts and their respective legacies. Hope I have bounced back to my former height. Or still diminished?

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            I am just surprised why you of all people have such a blind spot about TPLF. Call it intellectual curiosity. I hate to speculate. Why don’t you enlighten us?

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I insist. We should stick with the fun stuff in the Sciences instead. Say, why do elbows face backward and the knees face forward, for instance.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Ok but one condition. Let us talk only about what we know

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            What we know as in our field of expertise? Or body of knowledge we are familiar or acquainted with?

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Great start. Knowledge is ephemeral. It’s like a punch to the stomach. Easily forgotten unless reinforced by wisdom.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I agree.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            You are saying that TPLF looted Ethiopia and I am assuming that all they did was looting nothing but looting. Not sure what ነውሪ is if this is not as in your generalized pronouncement. That said, is it fair to say that your claim is taking the Tigrai people for a bunch of fools for throwing their support for a Front that has done nothing as in absolutely nothing for Ethiopia except day and night looting?

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            Fair point, except that you should take that to the Ethiopian people who have been crying of looting for the last four years, not me. Back to Sunday Coffee 🙂

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            ሕጂ ዘረባ ኣምጺኻ! ብቡን ቀልድ የለን! Enjoy your Sunday coffee ዓቢ ሰብ ዓረከይ!

          • Peace!

            Paulosay,

            Thank you, habibi. ቡን ብፍላይ ጅንጅብል ምስኡ እንተፈሊሑ እዚ ክብለካ ኣይክእልን እየ. ቁርብ ዳኣ ሐያት ኣደም ኣብዛ ኣወል መጺያ ይዕገርጊራትና (kidding) ንዝኾነ ይቕሬታ እንድሑር ኣቐይምናኩም.

            ጹቡቕን ሰላም ዘለዎ ሰሙን!

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            I always enjoy conversing with you. ምቕያም ዝባሃል ነገር የለን Peace ዓርከይ! Happy week for you as well.

    • Amde

      Selam Hayat,

      The pictures out of Shashemene are awful. So are the deaths in Jigjiga. So are the inter-communal violences throughout the south. Or the displacements by the millions now.

      But it is not fair to blame Abiy for them.

      It is not like that as of April Ethiopia was a land of milk and honey, and then all of a sudden everything turned dark. To paraphrase Lidetu Ayalew in his remarkable speech in Meqele, it is a combination of things done that shouldn’t, and things not done that should have.

      It is really straightforward:
      a) we have a generation literally brought up to primarily think of themselves as victims due to their ethnicities, (Tigrayans to Somalis, Amaras to Oromos everyne has grievances now articulated in ethnic terms)
      b) we have oceans of cadres who rule the land with complete impunity. Not only is the national parliament meto be meto, but all the regional parliaments as well and there is literally no qebele or wereda that is run by a non-EPRDF.
      c) formal disciplined oppositions and cautious/reasonable voices were hounded out of politics, media, society and the public discourse.
      d) Economic growth was uneven, its fruits not fairly distributed and its victims completely sidelined. Remember the political Qerro movement was sparked with farmers losing farmland to urban/capitalist interests.

      So we have dissatisfied youths who cannot discuss what they need to discuss, cannot elect who they want to elect, cannot get local officials to give a doodoo about their local issues unless they offer bribes that seem more outrageous by the week. They are perfectly set up to be manipulated by demagogues and snake oil salesmen, who promote easy solutions.

      Shashemenne is not that far from Addis. It is cosmopolitan enough that HaileSellasie gave RasTafarians land to settle there, and they have continued to come and settle there ever since. Many Eritreans also settled there for generations.

      It is a place that I would’t have been surprised to see elect an OFC rep or an Ethiopianist party.

      But we are where we are. A generation’s worth of screw-up that will not be solved overnight.

      Hayat, do you think the TPLF is responsible for any of what is transpiring today? Do you think they could have imposed a different set of policy options a decade or 20 years ago? Gradually opened up the political space so that the Oromo youth could have been listening to a Merera in parliament than a Jawar in Minnesota? Gradually loosened up the media so people don’t rely on just ESAT and OMN or their news and analysis?

      As much as I wish it weren’t so we are more likely to see more and worse before it gets better. What we need is a set of continuing real conversations among real stakeolders, and institutions that can promote the discussions and help narrow any differences. What Abiy is doing now is bringing in the conversants. It is not like he is out there arming and agitating demagogues and radicals. What he can be accused of is for not deploying and using more of the repressive (police/military etc..) means at his disposal. It is not clear yet if he is unable or if he is unwilling.

      The Shahemenne incident should have been nipped in the bud by the Oromiya police. We will have to hear what they have to say about it. It was supposed to be a Jawar rally. The presence of Jawar in Ethiopia brings to mind one of LBJ’s dictums – better to have him in the tent pissing out than out side pissing in. It is rather amazing that this young man has so much political power that he is treated as if he is a head of state. It sucks that such a complete system outsider has so much power that he openly boasts about how he could have brought EPRDF to its knees in a week, and starved out Addis at the snap of his finger.

      Amde

      • Selam Amde,

        I am confused, really. The oromia police commissioner says that there were three deaths due to stampede as the result of the extremely large number of people gathered to welcome jawar. There was no bomb detonation. A police car was set on fire far from the place after the end of the gathering.

        Sorry, but i have not yet understood about the horrible and inhuman act people are talking about that could put the country in danger. Could you please help? I feel detached from the rest.

        • Amde

          Selam Horizon,

          I wish I could.

          The Oromiya police is doing what bureaucrats caught in their ineptitude generally do – i.e. protect themselves. Supposedly what happened was that somebody said there was a bomb in a car, and a panicky crowd took this poor fellow (the driver I think) as the bomber. The car itself belonged to the town administration. They burned the car and hanged him. It is outrageous, and possibly preventable. Imagine a lynching in the middle of a planned public rally. Almost by definition, such a rally would have had to notify the town and get approval which would mean the town would have had to prepare for contingencies and disturbances – that is the whole point of a notification.

          The warnings of descent into chaos – i still do not understand where that is coming from and the logic of it. If you distil what is going on, it seems to me that what we are seeing are the undercurrents of the diversity of Oromo political movements competing with each other. It was casually mentioned that the prime candidate in the Mesqel Square bomb throw was none other that the Ethiopian Counter-Terrorism chief, an OPDO member named Taddese Urge. No sooner had we heard of an OLF coming back in peace than we hear of fighting in Dembi Dollo (Wellega) between OLF-Shanee and the federal government now under an OPDO Defence Miniser and an Oromo Operations chief. Then OLF-Asmara under Dawud Ibsa and Jawar Mohammed of OMN are each competing to claim the Qerro as their own. Just to muddy the waters, the Qerro rapturously greet Jawar flying OLF flags. Jawar is travelling throughout the country (outside Oromiya) making speeches and statements that sound very comforting to non-Oromo, after handing out inflammatory maps that scare many non-Oromo.

          I am now starting to appreciate when Jawar called for quick elections so every Oromo faction knows their place. I think that will restore a lot of peace and legitimacy.

          Or maybe not.

          Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Mobs are always stupid.

            They suspect a car had a bomb. And they set it on fire. Was it a bomb made of water?

            They commit murder in broad daylight. And they take pics of themselves doing it. I bet you there are videos too.

            There is no way the criminals and the dozens just watching are local. If they were their parents would have heard what they are doing and beat them.

            By the way, I take any society’s claim that it’s civilized with a grain of salt. Human beings are savages constrained by law, tradition, religion and big men in uniforms.

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            My guess is they are local.. but “local” as in from not exactly in town. Supposedly the man was a driver for the town administration and a townsperson would have recognized him.. at least I hope. It is just weird – Shashemene is a coffee break town close to Awassa – a vacation town itself, and another resort – the volcanic hot water baths of Wendo Genet not too far away. Unless i am wrong, it is also Eyobai’s hometown. I would have placed it solidly in the cosmopolitan column.

            As to whether their parents would have punished them, I refer you to your own statement “Human beings are savages constrained by law, tradition, religion and big men in uniforms.”. I sure hope so. Remember during the LA riots in 89(?), the black priest protecting the white truck driver who was getting beat up by the black mob? Usually it takes someone with temporal or spiritual authority to get a mob to back down.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sir Amde,

            The sheshamanie mob incidence and the hanging of human being in the street, is really bad news. The untimely lifting of the “state of emergency” was the error of the central government. In order to control such killing of innocent Ethiopian people and property destruction, they have to reinstate it immediately. The mistrust is worsening by the day, and the result is what we are witnessing. The central government should have a complete control of the on going unrest. Without the stability of the country, the rhetorics of “medemer” will not have a meaningful application.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            2 things
            1, medemer, there is no medemer with criminals, listen to the rhetoric of medemer carefully, medemer is a diplomatic word so there r elements that is not added in it, like day light Haynes.
            2, mistrust, u r right the mistrust r worsening between tplf supporters and ethiopian people after spacially people find out what was going on in ethiopia prison and that is good, in a sense to solve the country problem once and for all from the root cause.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            I think on the contrary as bad as this incident was, things are not “spiraling out of control”.

            Let’s take each case.
            This weekend, Oromo activist media saying the Somali Liyu police attacked Oromiya harage at several locations. These attacks were foiled but about 32 people were killed. Now then, the Somali Liyu and the Oromiya police/militia are supposedly organs of state, not non-state actors. If a State of Emergency were to be declared, these two bodies would supposedly be involved in bring order, not fighting each other. Over this past week, Abdi Illey was pushed out and Ahmed Shide is now the new ESPDP Party boss and Somali Killil president. We will see how it pans out, but if things do calm down, it will mean that the recent unrest in Jigjiga et al were nothing but just another front in the battle between the new order and the old.

            What else?

            The number of Gedeo displaced is anything from 800K to over a million. This is a problem that pre-dates Abiy. The Gedeo are asking to join the South, but the Oromo are insisting they stay within Oromiya killil, or leave the land. The State of Emergency before Abiy didnt solve this issue, and I doubt a new one will.

            What else?

            For a couple of weeks it seemed DembiDollo in Wellega was the scene of fighting between Ethio Federal forces and an “OLF” faction that popped up seeminy out of nowhere. It was a strange “guerilla” group, with locals saying they wore nice fatigues and supplies replenished via helicopter. Nice – huh?

            I can’t think of anything else currently to be honest unless i go back a month or two. It just seems to me that while the peaceful opposition is patiently waiting for the election laws get revamped so they can compete, the men with guns are coming in with side deals. It may be just immunity deals, but still they look unfair for the peaceful opposition.

            Yes we have had incidences of mob justice – which invariably become miscarriages of justice. Still, compared to four months ago, we are in a better place.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Let’s hope this is a case of out-of-towners going nuts because if this was done by hometown boys, with the consent or acquiescence of the elders, then you better have prayer vigils.

            It’s becoming difficult to read Hayat of late (that’s the problem with “heart people” HaileTG: when they are on they are on and they are off it’s all total eclipse) but there’s one thing she said which, let’s call, the Malcolm X problem. So X was a fire breathing, white-devil white-devil espousing guy until he went to Mecca, had a complete overhauls, changed his name and changed his tune. But, when he came back, most of his followers were still in the “white devil” stage and to this date, everything that is quoted of his work is from his radical years.

            Hayats question is: even if Mohammed Jawar changed and is now a moderate, will he able to convert his radicalized followers?

            In politics, unfortunately, there is not a lot of victories recorded by moderates: as the saying goes: middle of the road is where you go to be road-kill.

            Here’s the science behind it, for those inclined to approach things scientifically:

            https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.118702

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            Dear saay

            You are absolutely correct in your analysis. In this age of microscopic scrutiny there is no running away from your track record. Jowar definitely has a credibility problem. But the reform movement in Ethiopia currently under way does not.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            This is one of those times when everyone gets a partial credit.

            Hayata’s warning is valid. Amde’s reasoning that the momentum has to run its course before it can make a full stop (minus anything TPLF), is also valid.

            Although I believe that the Shashemene incident is a sign of a competition for “Qerro” between Jowar and Ibsa, I don’t have a clear thought about what TeamLemma could have done to prevent it.

          • saay7

            Haha St Fanti:

            So spake King Solomon: split the baby!

            How’s the weather in heaven? You are not allowed to answer “heavenly!”

            saay

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            I am not sure if a judge can say both of you are partially right, and then send them home. We are not going to tear ethiopia in two to know who is genuinely speaking for ethiopia’s interest or not, as king solomon did to prove the real mother.

            There are monsters walking freely in society, any society for that, backward or developed. Hundreds die in Mecca almost every year due to stampede, we read a woman opened her friend’s belly to steal the unborn baby, and many horrible things happen all over the world.

            But, whenever an unfortunate incident happens in ethiopia, big or small, the harbinger of ethiopia’s bad news inflates it beyond its implication, and present it as if the ethiopian sky is falling and ethiopia is to disintegrate, and you see them pouring crocodile tears, one must understand that it comes out of purposefulness than genuine interest for the country and its people, and there is a big difference there. I am forced to believe what PMAA said. If i am allowed to paraphrase, ethiopia is not like a tree in autumn where we see the leaves falling in all directions, and those who work for the disintegration of ethiopia or are dreaming day and night for it, will be disappointed.

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Subscription required it says… but thank you that sounds interesting.

            I was talking to somebody today who told me here are one million Bachelor’s degree holders in Oromiya who are unemployed. That feels too high for me, but nevertheless that tells you where the Qerro is coming from. Too educated to be peasants, educated enough to be seduced by militant talk, but not educated enough to be critical of the messages they are getting.

            As you say, Jawar has figured out how to turn them on – but the off switch is really (mostly) jobs which is very difficult to conjure out of thin air. But good luck seeing him take responsibility.

            Amde

          • Blink

            Dear Amde
            What exactly is jawar failure? Didn’t the TPLF cadres like Daniel Berhane , Alula Solomon said many horrible things openly ? Why is this incident suddenly painted as jawar inflict pain? Many people from any corners of the society has been saying many things.

            Let me tell you one example of such kind , in the Eritreans Opposition activists lead by some known awatistas has been sending horrible signals to make PFDJ as a Tigrinya supported group while the truth is none of that , they have been trashing Eritrean revolutionary personality even going far saying they were eating human flesh and now we can find some kids wielding knife to kill but the public stayed on the right side because this was done only by few groups . This Lynching was a reply to weyane hand and we do know the details of this horrible act in sheshemene .what I am certain is this act of evil is not the product of jawar or any other than weyane products of their 27 years work.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U just comparing Apples to oranges. I mean alula/daniel and Jawar have a very different influence and different personalities. So do oromo and tigrai have different influence in ethiopia poltics.it is not comfortable.

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            What I am saying is the weyane government has been seeding the venom for 27 years and now just as a sudden some people find the courage to accuse Jawar while they have been doing it for almost 27 years . I am just trying to understand the hypocrisy in this game.

          • saay7

            Selam Sir Amde:

            Dammit, I was hoping you would read it and explain it to me 🙂

            It’s a paper by a Japanese and American researcher which attempts to explain why any given country’s politics swings from one extreme to another and why the moderates never win. The abstract:

            Some of the most pivotal moments in intellectual history occur when a new ideology sweeps through a society, supplanting an established system of beliefs in a rapid revolution of thought. Yet in many cases the new ideology is as extreme as the old. Why is it then that moderate positions so rarely prevail? Here, in the context of a simple model of opinion spreading, we test seven plausible strategies for deradicalizing a society and find that only one of them significantly expands the moderate subpopulation without risking its extinction in the process.

            It’s basically Hegel and his theory of thesis and anti-thesis, but what this paper says is that the persuadables (the langa-langa, in Eritrean parlance, the on-the-one-hand on-the-other-hand types) don’t matter in the calculus because there is just as much likelihood they will be persuaded by the thesis than the anti-thesis.

            The story of the unemployed and the underemployed is the story of every African country that put all its focus on academic instead of vocational certificates when its economy can’t support it. The “education for all” is one of those things that sounds good on paper but problematic without massive state engineering as to where people get their degrees: all it ensures is brain drain. This is what happened to Egypt —- everyone is an engineer —- which never never figured out a way to develop its economy to absorb them and after decades of exporting them to the Gulf country now, a once great country is a client state of the gulf states.

            One thing the Ethiopian polity might start doing is deromanticizing Qerro. But I see they are still in their triumphalism stage. Maybe next year.

            Saay

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam horizon
          Jawar( what ever his ideology )will be the beginning of ethiopia poltics to be lead by smart guys(yeArada lij) and a lot of smart people will follow him, that means from now on nerds will start to exit ethiopia poltical scan.

      • Hayat Adem

        The Grt Amde,
        For the sake of your country and your people, start speaking truth to its fullest.
        If Tplf were ethnicist or racist at its core, the essence of those characters were to manifest themselves more in Tigray than anywhere else. Speak any language in Tigray in the open and loud, nobody would feel your presence in a negative manner. To date, you would never witness such tendencies in Tigray even if Tigriyans are at the very recieving end. And if language-culture-based federal system were a real problem causing atrocities, the main opposition of such a system comes mainly from the Amara region and people and, ironically, many of the killings, displacements and ethnic based inhunan attrocities are being committed in this region. I am seeing a two-legged hypocracy walkibg from point A (rare) to point B (common) and it has crossed half way. Really, I am growing hopeless in counting on smart people. Abiy has been in power for 4vmonths and he is being praised for achieving miracles like a 2nd person was born with an ability of walking on water. And we are discouraged to hold him responsible because it is too soon while he has used Opdo, Jawar, Qerro and Olf to come to power starting 2014 and still playing it out.
        ConflictCrisis-InterventionAbsolute Control.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam ms hayat
          I mean, there r no body live in tigrai except a student and teachers in federal universities in tigrai. And
          A soldiers and some professional working mainly in the hospital. That is the reality.

        • Amde

          Selam Hayat,

          1. Please slow down on the moral rectitude argument abut TPLF. What we find outrageous because an unthinking mob did it, they practiced on purpose and under controlled conditions. Have you heard the recently released tell stories of their tortures – how they are matter-of-factly told the Amara are not supposed to bear children before just as nonchalantly the torturers hang bottles of water on genitals? Or the women from Welqayt taking about how their men are chased off while someone from Adwa or wherever comes through and goes back bragging about raping and making pregnant 10 or 13 or whatever women as sport? Or the Oromo guy whose legs they sawed off as torture? These are stories that tell of an organization that exhibits contempt for people, and encourages genocide by the literal definition and practices it. No ma’am. You would have been better off staying with how I articulated it – basically a badly engineered system that today has produced what such systems do.

          2. Factual error on your part. Amara nationalism is yet to get up – it is just a baby now. God save us when that happens. But Amara region is relatively quiet – except fr that recent execrable stoning of Tigrayans in Tana Beles. Most of the killings, displacements and ethnic based atrocities are committed in Oromiya, Ethio-Somali, Gedeo-Oromo, Harar, and a bit earlier in Awasa. Just follow the news. I say it is a result of the ethnic federation model. It is also possibly a new spurt of aggressive Oromo Nationalism taking off. None of these happen in four moths.

          3. If “has used Opdo, Jawar, Qerro and Olf to come to power starting 2014 and still playing it out. ” well then shame on TPLF which had the military and security and the media and the courts and foreign affairs and money and still were so inept that the front they birthed (EPRDF) elected him as leader with overwhelming numbers. If they knew these at the time then they should have done something. They can’t cry now. At best they are sulking. At worst the accusations are flying that most of them are becoming saboteurs. Jury is out frankly on whether or not Team Lemma and the Qerro had “an understanding”, and it is possible they did, but there would be no Qerro if the legal opposition were not in jail but in parliament. Again a result over ten years in the making. It is amazing how the 2005 election debacle stubbornly stays on.

          Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Selam gashe Amde and Hayat,

            The events that are flaring up here and there in the country are sad, and do not bode well for the country. Sliding of the country to chaos is not in the interest of all stakeholders, and the general region as well. The central government losing command and control at the center will open the space wide for fringe forces to take the situation in own hands. So, the debate should focus on calming down the situation, and the government looking for quick fixes and compromises that could help the country to transit to elections.

  • haileTG

    Hello Abdu,

    I have a slightly different take on this. Remember you are talking Eritrea as a unifying concept. Say for example if awraja, religion, gebar/tegadalay…and other similar concepts instead, then you would find that We are loyal to our group but each group is small and weak to stand on its own. However, we don’t trust our collective identity as Eritreans due to IA’s reactionary role in our journey of creating a nation state. PFDJ used religion and awraja to fan conflict and mistrust. Abdella Jabir was smeared as jihadist and Col. Ali said’s bold undertaking in Forto was characterized as such. The highlands are also divided in similar way. Haile Drue is associated with Akeleguzay sentimentalism and Hamasien painted as regime favored (as if the beast cares). Tegadelti were set against warsay and even regime supporters were divided as emun and zeyEmun.

    So, Eritreaness didn’t really get the chance to get off the ground as an inherent unifying value. The sheer extent of challenges were one problem, but when the first leadership of the new enterprise became a turn coat saboteur of the very pillars that would hold the Eritrea concept together, then it stood no chance.

    This is the main flaw that I see in saay’s democratic coup argument. We need something to bring us together soon after the IA is no longer in power. Otherwise, it is unlikely that we’ll have the minimum level of trust on one another to even get to speaking terms.

    A coup should be sufficient to re-orientate the country into normal state of affairs. Which can only come from the army. We can then pressure them to work to democratize. IA isn’t just a dictator, he seems a man with vengeance against the very notion of Eritrea and whatever concept is associated with it.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile TG,

      You have framed the Eritrean dilemma in few words : “the Eritrea concept” and the pillars it should rest on. This is the riddle that has, since the unnatural creation of the polity, been eluding the Eritreans and costing them in blood, resources and time that should have gone to solve and it, nourish it and mature it through collective endeavor in the two-task nation and state building formations.

      The crux of the matter is that Eritreans think they know the concept; but each knows it from own interest centered mindsets. “an Eritrea concept and what it should be for the Christian highlander is not the same for a Moslem lowlander in East and the West. The few episodic (to borrow the word from Beyan in another thread) collective experiences that played initial modest roles in defining the concept have been sabotaged as you rightly point out.

      I am alluding the experiences from the time of the exit of the forces that imposed unnatural birth of the polity. For example, the salient ideas the 1952 constitution, the national rallying symbols, the referendum of 1993, broad consensus on raising arms for self-determination, the 1997 constitution and son. These experiences should have been the pillar for Eritrea concept that should have raised it above the divisive and dispersive sub-concepts and superseded the proto concept. The ruining dictatorship has reinforce the former and weakened the latter. Reversing this national anomaly needs real shift of gears and focusing on either the elites (broad sense of the term) coming from closets and craft a new framework for unify Eritrea concept or at least to embody it in one or combination of past experiences – constitutions. Without this neither military intervention nor disappearance of the despot would change the course along which the nation is currently sliding.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Ismail,

        There was a time when a great warrior by the name YG was leading a conceptual onslaught on those of us he saw as Ghedli Romantics. The “Eritrea concept” was very much my motivation to side with romantics at the time. If for one thing only Ghedli would be the one single journey that would stand the test of time in keeping the embattled Eritrea concept alive. I was very defensive of Ghedli because there is no other event that defined the Eritrea concept in an authentic, organic and microcosmic way than Ghedl as a whole. It does a great disservice to focus on its shortcomings and not the gem hidden under the dirt covering it. Ghedli was challenged not only by those bewildered fellow Eritreans who find the post independence crisis of rule of law, but by conniving outsiders who knew we stand no chance without our rightful and historic Ghedli heritage. If you think about it, even going forward there is nothing from the past that would hold up the Eritrea concept as our knowledge and pride in Ghedli. True that the day to day Ghedli woos are many but the big picture is more subtler than that. ብዝኾነ ንዓ’ባ ግደፍ እንተበልካ ን ዮሴፍ ገረሂወት ኩሉ ንጋዶ እዩ ኮይኑና ነይሩ። ግደ ሓቂ’ኳ ገድሊ’ውን ከምዘይዓጅባ ኣይተጠራጠርናን።

        • Beyan

          Greetings gentlemen,

          What a pleasure to see the two ferocious debaters (Ismail Omar Ali) whom I have followed from dehai days of the mid nineties and Haile TG in this website who left his indelible mark on many awate followers. Glad to see you both back. Honored to put my two cents worth on the subject at hand you are barely beginning to scratch the surface. I saw just now, Abraham’s input on a topic that can fit in this discussion as well.

          The intersectionality in Eritrean “polity” that Ismail Omar Ali alluded to has been lacking a discursive space or ናይ ህውተታ ቦታ ወይ መዛተይ ባይቶ. The soon to be published Tigrinya version of what I tried to say in my article captures this essence that’s lacking in our discourse:

          ብመንጽር እዚ ሒዝናዮ ዘለና ኣርእስቲ ቦታ ህውተታ ክብሃል እንከሎ ኣብቲ ዝደጋገም ፍጻሜታት ናይ ማሕበረ ባህላውን ቋንቋውን ክለሰ-ሓሳባት ዝተመርኮሰ ኢዩ።ገጽ ንገጽ እናተርኣኣኻ ዝግበር ዝርርብ ነዞም ተደጋገምቲ ቴማታት ትኹረት ክግበረሎም ዝጠልብን በቲ ቴማዊ ፍጻሜታት ጌሩ ንመኣዝን ናይቲ ዘረባ ከጉልሕ ዝፍትንን ኢዩ።ንፈስቲቫላት ደንቨርን ኣትላንታን ሓደ ማሕበረ-ፖለቲካዊ ዝብሃል ቦታ ክውሰኸሉ ዝኽእል ኮይኑ ነቲ ናይ ጽሑፍ ንድፊ ምጥቃም ድማ ነቲ ህዝባዊ ምንቅስቓስ ዝድርኾ ምይይጥ ማሕበራዊ፣ ባህላዊ፣ ፖለቲካዊ ሰረት ዘለዎ ሓደ ኣብነታዊ ፍጻመ ሙዃኑ ዘርኢ ኢዩ። በርጌሳዊ ማሕበራትን ፖለቲካዊ ተቓወምቲ ጉጅለታትን እዚ ህዝቢ ማእከል ዝገበረ ምንቅስቓስ ክዉን ዝግበረለን መሪሕ ክኾና ይኽእላ።

          Allow me to give you a little more background for context on the eight Eritreans who were able to produce a document that can be used as a starting point for a road map. At least half of the eight individuals did not know each other. Out of the eight four carry Muslim names the other half Christian names. There is a lowlander in their midst. I don’t know about their regional affiliation, but I would imagine they run the gamut. The only reason I am mentioning this is because Abraham and Ismail Omer Ali have touched upon it and it does intersect with what Haile TG have mentioned vis-a-vis our ghedli heritage and YG conceptually challenging what he saw as its inherent flaws. On the latter, I am less defensive just as I am when, say, someone begins to go off on a rail assaulting and characterizing Awate as having been shifta, what have you? That’s for historians to dwell over. But, we cannot let historians to dwell upon is our inability to have a conversation with one another about our contemporary social, political, and communal issues that Haile TG has framed Eritrea as a concept.

          The revolutionary Front turned governing body did a lousy job as far as instilling the notion of what it means to be an Eritrean citizen. All what it wanted to instill in the youth was how selfless to become without any selfhood. Notions of citizenship needed to be inculcated in the curriculum and instruction within the K-12 grade levels, at which point the Eritrean character needed to emerge. The citizenship of enslavement, what SAWA ended up becoming, was what a generation of Eritreans ended up facing.

          But, reverting to the reality on the ground as far as where we stand in the diaspora is concerned, I truly believe we have not had a genuine conversation, the virtual kind will not suffice. It needs to be supplemented with a face-to-face meetings, the kind of meetings that the eight individuals were able to do. The key to the success of the eight intellectuals was “leaving their personal political leanings in the back-burner [where] suspicion, mistrust, and second guessing went out the door. ”

          Finally, let me take advantage of the weekend link sharing from yesterday’s news I’ve heard an African American who unseated a 28 year-veteran politician in the Ferguson,Missouri, where it was a flashpoint of race confrontation four years ago to-date. Please forward the clip below to 12:40 minute-mark to hear what Wesley Bell says in how talking with one another (Whites & Blacks) is the best way to resolve issues. I am here to vouch for that. Americans’ race relations go as far back as the country’s history. And he is saying they must have a dialogue. I say we’ve done very little of that. We’ve been coming with our own biases, political agendas, second guessing one another. What these eight individuals did by putting their political leanings aside so they can really listen to one another is what must happen, and not come with a political agenda where winning becomes the only game in the gathering. In such an environment, an impasse would be the ostensible outcome.

          Beyan

          https://player.theplatform.com/p/HNK2IC/KffZnqXYYaCE/select/media/guid/2410887629/3776480?mute=false&autoPlay=true&ec=f&=undefined&MVPDid=undefined&params=policy%3D121497524%26fallbackSiteSectionId%3D1676939%26siteSectionId%3Dnbc_tveverywhere_vod_hub%26manifest%3Dm3u%26switch%3DHLSOriginSecure%26aam_segments%3D8129897%26_fw_h_referer%3Dwww.nbc.com%26schema%3D2.0#playerurl=https%3A//www.nbc.com/nightly-news/video/nbc-nightly-news-aug-11-2018/3776480

          • haileTG

            Merhaba brother Beyan,

            You have a great idea in the ‘discursive spaces’ focused approach. I know the implication will have many benefits in allowing for ideas to flourish and freely flow and green the surrounding terrain of practical action. It is hard to translate ideas into action without common belief and mutual action. Thus keep up the good work.

            My approach to defensively discouraging the notion of addressing/accountability for things that happened in Ghedli is born of calculations to protect the Eritrean concept. So, I should come clean that I am very much aware of the suffering sustained by combatants/leaders/gebars… and the wish to have a sense of closure. However, fully aware that this may come down as insensitive (apologizing in advance), it simply will not happen, should not happen and doesn’t serve our interest. Ghedli, the good and the bad, is connected to all of us. We are directly linked to it. There is this subtle problem that is often overlooked: fragmented conceptualization. In a simple case, there can’t be top where is no bottom, there can’t be front where there is no back, there can’t be right where there is no left, there can’t be cause where there is no effect. All are one holistic parts. There is effect in a cause and there is cause in the effect, one and the same. There is back in a front and front in a back, one and the same. But we tend to look into things with fragmentation, see one and deny the other. Ghedli is in the people/leaders/opposition…and those people/leaders/opposition…are in Ghedli. You see, you can’t surprise Ghedli, what is new under the sun?

            At a strategic angle, holding Ghedli accountable is holding all of us accountable! Nice but impractical. People have one or limited focus when considering the issue of bringing something from those days to justice. But the totality of the matter requires every interconnected aspect to be investigated: including our mothers who might have contributed in some way. When the question comes from the south, I believe it only comes for tactical reasons of undermining the concept of Eritrea. Otherwise, 1991 is an iron clad seal that no issue prior should be a matter of further recriminations. Historical and cultural introspection of the Ghedli era is great, beyond that any politically inclined questioning is a non-starter.

            This way we can focus on post independence matters fully and we get to keep our glorious Ghedli history intact.

            I know this is very bombastic and stronger that need be, but I always want to emphasize the strategic internal political significance of the matter.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Haile TG,

          The point you’ve underscored is a mark of quintessence of patriotic awareness of how important precedents in nation state formation are. They are bedrocks upon which the pillars of the concept of nationhood rest. Actually, a society within a state as social-economic construct that does not have precedents in its evolution cannot deal with its preservation in the present and plot safe course for its future. Eritrea cannot be an oddity in such scheme of nation building endeavor.

          In my view, thus, Eritrea did not become what it became in void. It had national memory to celebrate and perpetuate (not romanticize according to detractors). It had precedents in laws and state symbols it could rely on to legitimize the course it took and justified the price it had to pau after it was illegally robbed of autonomy that ensured its existence and consolidation of its statehood for the benefit of its inhabitants in freedom and material progress.

          It’s within such historical precedents that the defense of the Ghedli era and its historical role should be understood. Defending its history does not entail endorsing shortcomings and mistakes. The national experience in quest for restoration nationhood was and, shall remain in the annals of history, as continuity of what had preceded it. It’s this sense of continuity that past, present and future detractors strive eliminate from our national memory because it structural antecedent that bolster the meaning of the Eritrea as concept of nationhood. Indeed, cursory reading of the Ghedli history shows denial and undermining of precedents such as state symbols and political formations that took up them as legitimization references both internally and externally has ensued from early on.

          The forces of sabotage you mentioned in your previous entry did not hide their propaganda and politics. The journey of step by step obliteration of the authenticity of Eritrea as concept has reached the stage we are witnessing now and delving in the process would be boring digression and detail.

      • Beyan

        Selam Ismail AA,
        Everything I said of Ismail Omar Ali applies to you with the exception of not knowing you from dehai days. I SEE MY BLUNDER. I CONFUSED Ismail Omer ALI FOR Ismail AA, MY SINCERE APOLOGIES Ismail AA]. A pattern is emerging. I committed the same error with Amanuel and Amanuel Hidrat. Old age is beginning to kick in, eh.

        Sincerely,
        Beyan

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Beyan,

          Good morning (my time). There was nothing serious to apologize for. I didn’t even take notice because due to time pressure I usually skip things in attempt to capture the substance of what persons I adore and stay in an ambush for their views when they post something. After all, we were exchanging views under the excellent article Ismail Omar-Ali had graced us, and confusing names can happen. Anyway, I appreciate your nobility and character because it bolstered my respect for you and good people like you..

          • Beyan

            Good 4AM Morning on this side to you Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for your response. The same here. There are comments that one goes back to read again at a later time for myriad of reasons. In fact, when I am in a hurry, I simply copy and paste some comments to a word document to re-read with serious attention at a later time, perhaps give responses to. Invariably, your comments tend to fit that category. I will exactly do that to the previous note you penned in response to Haile TG. There is so much to unpack between what Haile TG wrote on ghedli as the bedrock concept of Eritrean national character and your befitting rejoinder to it.

            Selam for now,
            Beyan

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Haile TG,

      I think at present we know the snip from the precious. The humane culture pillared of Eritrea was covered by an alien culture full of hatred, lies, greed, betrayal, denial and extreme brutality towards Eritreans without any shame and flickering. By now we can easily detect those who are not loyal to Eritrea and her people. Their conduct indicates they are from different country.

  • Nitricc

    Greeting all, I read that Abi, not to be confused with PMAA, that he is recruiting some Oromo from Addis lol this bearings me that i am proposing to the next gathering of YPFDJ to be hold in the middle of Addis-Abeba. it is getting some serious consideration. if in fact happens, i have a dream Fanti to be a guest speaker. YPFDJ will take Addis by storm. There are young Eritreans who have Draft beer for breakfast and YPFDJ will liberate and instole the real Eritrean youth value, the YPFDJ way. Fanti, you are advised to clear up your calendar. I will update you all the next move. Memo to Abi, never undermine the heart of Eritrea and Eritreanism. I know you are hunted my Aman-H recruiting activity back in the days, well, Waite till the YPFDJ rooming in the streets of Addis. Once we get to Addis, the next move will be to Mekelle. It will be done and the power of YPFDJ shall expand to insure the greatness of Eritrea.