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Any Stage Has Its Own Color of Discourse

In quest of a solution to the long-lost nation, it is very sad to observe that Eritreans missed the benefit even from modern management systems. Contemporary managements developed a lot of methods, to the extent of selecting the right person for the right position, by using a scientific criterion. In civilized nations, they don’t put a person at a certain position randomly, even if he holds high credentials. In civilized nations, highly educated individuals are exposed to experts in human resources development in order to examine them and decide whether they are fit for the position they intend to occupy. Conversely, Eritreans still deal with rudimentary methods to manage their conflicts and progress towards a positive outcome. They put all issues, good and bad, in one pot and contemplate enjoying a tasty meal. Even those who are considered highly educated don’t know from where to start solving their peoples’ riddles. Eritrean elites avoid facing the principal issues to imaginary steps –an escape forward–to produce more complications in the Eritrean scene. It is really amazing how without a sketch and foundation, Eritrean elite endeavor to build a roof and do the finishing touching on it. It is a case similar to, “ዓባይ በገዕ ዕያውቲ ሒዛ ትጠፍእ,” roughly translated, a matured sheep disappears taking the lambs along. In reality, those people didn’t depart the year 1991. They think, EPLF is still intact as they attempt to transform into a democracy. The news is that the EPLF were fragmented and melted down as the ELF did, but they are still oblivious to that. In order to concentration perfectly and avoid going astray, Eritreans are required to clearly define their present position and the stages ahead.

There is an Arabic maxim that summarizes and draws a distinctive map of the faulty pathway , لكل مقام مقال”,” meaning, any stage has its own colors of discourse. Do Eritreans practice the above paradigm? The unwavering answer is in the negative. Usually, they sit around and debate hodgepodge for days and weeks, until they fume and fill the area with bubbles. After pushing their blood pressure up, the outcome is a waste of time and efforts. Thus, I believe more obstacles are created on top of the already overstuffed situation by mingling various issues concerning differences that are not properly layered—to handle such a situation, the Tigrinya  adage says, “ካብ ጉየይ ምውዓል ክሳድ ምሓዝ,”– go straight to the target than jogging around for the whole day. Such kind of wisdom stimulates our thinking and helps us put our immediate issues on the table and debate on them. This will make our strive more effective and productive, and helps shift the struggle towards achieving the required results quicker. To reach such a civilized comprehension, there should be a compass that directs all Eritreans to the right direction. We need to install a TIMER on our debates and questions, specially, in our meetings and conferences.

Firstl, Eritreans should observe there are certainly not debatable  issues that should be accepted as they are. For example, the issues of religion (either Islam or Christianity), official languages, ethnicity, land, and other similar topics. These are issues not open for a debate. For instance, if I demand the land of Hamasen should be endowed to all Eritreans. undoubtedly, such an issue is unacceptable by the people of Hamasen. Therefore, why should I bring such an issue for a discussion? Obviously, I know in advance it will just create troubles, and at the same time, it is a plain injustice upon the people of Hamasen. Therefore, Eritreans should understand these are not open-ended issues, but were created by our enemies to fragment us. Such kind of issues are akin to “is it the egg or the hen that came first”– a never-ending debate. Any person who insists on debating such issues is ready to tell you, either believe in my religion, ethnic, culture, language, etc. or I will annihilate you. To get out of this mess, I recommend Eritreans to divide their struggle into stages—properly partitioning the issues.

Once that is done, a careful step by step solution method should be adopted. The struggle should be programmed in such kind of procedure and mixing the stages of the struggle should not be encouraged. I suggest, two principal stages to reach to a free and democratic Eritrea – (1) The Revolution stage (2) The government stage.

The Revolution Stage there are:

  1. Removal of the Isaias Regime: The Revolution of the Eritrean people that was launched decades back, has now reached a turning point in toppling Isaias’ regime.
  2. The Transitional period: Inclusive of all the Eritrean spectrum
  3. The Election Period: Parties formation rules and free competition

In the Revolution Stage, the entire people should struggle in unison under one umbrella against one enemy – Isaias and his regime. In this stage any group that stays outside a united umbrella should be viewed as a hindrance to the aspirations of the Eritrean people. That is because a revolution should be one, for the enemy is only one, and the goal is specific—a democratic Eritrea. For example, in the Sudan there is one revolution that holds fast in front of the military head-office in Khartoum. We have many examples of revolutions in the world that could be used as a reference. History books teach us there is only one successful revolution at a certain period. We have also to remember that a revolution is always ignited against one principal enemy, and should continue as one to the end of the mission–electing a parliament in a free and fair poll.

The revolution stage is not a period of partisanship, peddling ideologies, ethnicities, religions, regions, or any sort of competition. It is the time for fighting against the major enemy. Any group that endeavors to make this phase of struggle for the benefit of special group should be spotted out and stopped immediately. All Eritreans should perceive that this group is against the goal of the revolution, and it is a lucid attempt to hijack the revolution that intends to remove Isaias and install a democratic nation. Eritreans should comprehend the revolution is by all Eritreans and for the benefit of all of them–one revolution for one Eritrea against an identified enemy. Such a criteria assist Eritreans to detect those who move outside the umbrella of the revolution.

The Eritrean struggle against Ethiopia was a revolution and should have continued as one revolution until Independence Day as the founders of our struggle intended it to be. But some late comers to the ELF or EPLF changed it to partisan and ideological competition—a phase that should have been postponed in an independent Eritrea. That mistake created complications inside the Eritrean revolution. And our present dilemma is the result of that unhealthy period, in which the revolution phase was confused with the phase of liberated Eritrea phase where parties or ideologies compete.

In the revolution stage, all Eritreans are requested to struggle with those they like or dislike, with those they agree or disagree ideologically, regionally, religiously, ethnically, etc. The revolution should embrace all for a common goal–a democratic Eritrea that will be governed by a just law and not a particular enemy.

In the election phase, after the demise of Isaias, all are allowed to recruit and promote their parties. Here, the number of parties is unimportant. It should be immaterial whether one like or dislike a person, party, or front, and all should work with a democratic spirit in and engage in an honest and honorable competition. If people do not like a certain party, they are free to withhold their vote. It’s that simple. And the parties that do not gain enough votes will disappear, without anyone taking any decision against it. This procedure will limit the number of parties that qualify for a parliamentary seat, we should not be scared by the number of parties or fronts, because democracy owns a filter.

In my opinion, it is not wise to waste our time and efforts in debating about the number of parties, fronts and their amebic proliferation because we have the best solution in the democratic filter.

Any group that holds a meeting should present its agenda, according to the current stage and refrain from mixing issues of different stages. Overlapping issues of different stages of the struggle creates hurdles to the struggle and will not help it to move forward. It is the role of all Eritreans to correct any meeting, conference, or congress that issues outside the immediate stage the struggle demands.

In the post revolution stage, elected body will run the nation and at this stage, all democratic institutions are expected to function properly, provided the people observe their performance in accordance to their election program and the constitution of the nation. The party that falls short from executing its program, in the following cycle of elections will certainly be ignored by voters who will give the chance to another party.

Lastly, during the revolution stage, all Eritreans are supposed to be FIGHTERS under one umbrella against their major enemy, and in the governing stage, under the supremacy of a constitution. They will be the  JUDGES and assess the government’s functions.

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  • Dis Donc

    Dear Paulus,
    Responding your questions: “Fair enough. My question to you is that, do you think your definition of Democracy could have been applied in Guerrilla movements as in ELF or EPLF? And you found both Fronts faulty on that account?”

    First is first and let me ask you, if Democracy was not their cause of consternation then what was it? If the people were not at their behest of their fledgling policies then it is of no consequence as to what has befallen on the people now. Simply then was all that for posterity and charade?

    Rebelling was a necessary evil, not just for Eritreans but also for Ethiopians as well. Because HIM was willfully neglectful. On many occasions I was asked why was it necessary to rebel against HIM. I say: then why wouldn’t the Ethiopians accepted the Italians, with open arms, when they came over, lowered their flags, and told them to speak Italian? Nope. The problem came afterwards, with both movements forgetting their original cause. War has a never ending consequences, misery being the culprits and losing grace, respect and face in the eyes of the civilized world. At the same time a villain is harvesting richness on your misery.

    Both movements had ample opportunities to turn things around and demonstrate the world that they are for democracy, peace and prosperity. Neither did! Never did and the result continues to haunt the youth.

    You don’t have to reply as I have to go back to work tomorrow. Vale bien!!

    • Paulos

      Selam Dis Donc,

      Please let me know when you are back from work 😂.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Dr. Paulos,

        Hope Dis Donc will return. He has put forward a few weighty consersation worthy things. ኣብ ውግእ ዘይወዓለ በሊሕ ድዮም ኢሎም ኣቦታት?. I thought his threshold argument is to-the-letter democracy or nothing as the ballot box establish it. Imagine this happening in conditions of ragingof wars between well equipped professional army of a state and civilian-turned fighters guerrilla forces.

        To be fair, Dis has a point if his departure point is 1993. At that time, his contention may make sense that those Eritreans who grabbed power were not after all for democracy. But an objective mind would not fall in to generation, but name things by their proper names. The point will then be answering the question of whether Isayas and his enablers represented the Eritrean people or the ELF and its followers or even the mainstream of the EPLF bases and fighting forces.

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Dear All,

    It turned out that, afterall, Isaias Afewerki did not have much to say in his address to the nation on the 28th anniversary of Independence Day. Nevermind his supporters’ predictions/hopes/expectations (or were they deceptions?) regarding reforms to be announced at the event — reforms that some pro-regime activists daringly asserted will include release of political prisoners, or implementation of the 1997 constitution, or elections! On their part, many in the opposition had expected him to say something — just some inconsequential stuff which may sound good, bad or anything in between.

    However, it was all unexpectedly different with Isaias Afewerki. Even on this special day, the ‘rogue elephant’ was not willing to step out of his fantasy world, join the crowd for the event and behave normally for a change! Instead, he decided to say practically nothing meaningful. He did not even want to mention the peace and restoration of relations with Ethiopia, or any of the diplomatic theatrics in Addis Ababa that apparently overwhelmed him with emotion – his eyes welling up with tears, his hand placed over his heart and his head shaking with joyful amazement! Thus, the only memory that most participants at the event were left with is: “He came, he talked to himself* and then he left!”

    And so it came to pass that, at long last and for once in his lifetime, Isaias Afewerki AGREED with the sentiments of the majority of the Eritrean people: Nothing of substance was achieved since the last Independence Day, and there is thus nothing to report! One gets the feeling that, as the audience departed the scene after the speech, participants not only took note of that ‘agreement’, but also joked with each other ”He did not say anything substantive; but hey, we cannot realistically expect him to flagellate himself in public for all the inhumane things he did to his people either!!”
    _____________________________
    * Courtesy of Ismail AA

    • Paulos

      ሰላም ጆኒ,

      ጠቐነ ሓሶትን ጸርፍን ዝመልኦ ዘረባ ብኻልእ ክግለጽ ኣይክእልን፣ እንታይ’ዳኣ፣ እዚ ሰብዚ፣ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ፣ ዘለዎ ንዕቐት ገደብ ከምዘይብሉ ዘድመዐ ዘረባ እዩ ኔሩ።

      • Yohannes Zerai

        ሰላም ፖል፣

        ምስ ገምጋምን መንፈስን መልእኽትኻ እሰማማዕ’የ። ኢሳይያስ ዘዘውትሮ ገስረጥ ቋንቋ (ማለት፡ ቃላትን ኣዘራርባን) ኩሉግዜ ስድን ነውራምን፣ ሓደሓደ እዋን’ውን ዘቖጥዕን እዩ። ኣብዚ ናይ ሎሚ መደረኡ ግን፡ ስድነቱ ለሚድናዮ ኣብርእሲ ምዃንና፣ እቲ ኣብ ነዊሕ ዓመታት ዘጥረዮን ዝተሞከረሉን ናይ ሓሶትን ምድንጋርን ክእለቱ ጠፊኡ፡ ዝጠፈሸሉን ዘረባ ኣብዩዎ ወልደፍደፍ ዝበለሉን ኣጋጣሚ ስለዝኾነ፣ ብደዐኡ ገዲፈ ኣብቲ ጥፈሽኡ ከተኩር ኢለ’ምበር፡ ንዕቀት ካብ ኢሳይያስ ደኣ መሊኡ!!

        • Paulos

          Selam Johnny,

          I always thought your English was impeccable. I was wrong. I had to say the same thing about your Tigrinya as well. Impressive!

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Dear Paul,

            Thank you for the compliment; it is very kind of you! I know it is only good people who try to find good in others.

            Cheers

    • Senay Zer

      Dear Yohannes — As some one who wrote about the peace process between Eritrea and Ethiopia, did you sense (form PIA’s speech and other recent events/non-events) the relation between PIA and PM Abiy has hit a snug, or even broken, as some people are suggesting? Unless of course, they have agreed to stay in stealth mode till they surprise us with something big.

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Selam Senay Zer,

        Thank you for the question you directed at me. Your name has been on my mind for some time, and I am sure you know why! Anyways, good to engage you for the first time.

        The question you have posed is a very interesting one. In trying to answer it, I will have to refer to an article I posted here at Awate last February, and use ideas presented therein as staging ground for attempting to address the issue you raised. But, to save you and others the trouble of having to skim through the article and pick out the relevant ideas, I have included below a couple of brief quotes excerpted therefrom.

        “ … No two leaders can be as dissimilar in their essential attributes – education level, age, political experience, philosophy of governance, government system presided over, etc. – as are PM Abiy and President Isaias. But, two critical factors have made them strange bedfellows: (i) The raw ambition that each leader has to become a dominant political figure in Africa’s Horn region and (ii) their willingness to serve as pawns in the regional geopolitical machinations of KSA/UAE …”

        “ the ambitions of the Eritrean and Ethiopian leaders are obviously the products of their contrasting backgrounds, personalities, and philosophies; hence are bound to be vastly different from each other. Thus, the real basis for their alliance may just be the cunning strategy of using each other for advancing their respective selfish agendas – [a factor that may emerge as] the alliance’s internal contradiction with potential for bringing down one or both of the leaders and/or their mission.”

        In my opinion, the alliance between President Isaias and PM Abiy was, in reality, a “marriage of convenience” that was predestined not to last long. The sudden, intense and super-intimate relationship between the two that we all witnessed initially (apprx. July 2018 – January 2019) was so unrealistic that it was bound to be anything, but long-lived. Reasons: (while the two leaders were, of course, expected to cooperate with each other where their interests coincided), it was obvious that the SIMILARITY OF THEIR AMBITIONS and the INCOMPATIBILITY OF THEIR AGENDAS were bound to work against the viability of their alliance, hence curtail the longevity of their intimate relationship. The ‘similar ambitions’ breed rivalry, and the ‘dissimilar agendas’ lead to divergence and dispute. Indeed, as things stand, that exactly is what seems to have happened.

        I tend to believe the following: Each of the two leaders has finally realized that he cannot have his own way with the other as each had hoped initially; and both have now decided to pull back and let the relationship cool down a little bit while leaving the door open for future cooperation on a limited scale, in areas of mutual interest and whenever it is deemed to serve their respective political interests.

        Finally, all one can say with confidence about the present state of affairs is what you aptly intimated in your comment as a possibility, i.e., “ … the relation between PIA and PM Abiy has hit a snug, … “ But that, of course, does not mean that President Isaias and PM Abiy have completely withdrawn into their respective shells1

        Thank you.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Yohannes en Senay Zer,

          That relationship of convenience may better be explained by a popular folk saying in our Kebessa regions. It’s a kind of “ክልተ ጎራሓት ሓሙኽሽቲ ስንቆም” extravagantly abused by the two – each for own ends. In modern nation states relations, even prolonged and tested multifaceted relations supported by meticulously negotiated agreements and protocols may not developed to the appearance Dr. Abij and Isayas Afewerki projected after a few meetings and correspondences.

          Thus, no wonder if the “marriage” collapses in honeymoon stage. While Isayas runs his affairs alone in accordance to his whims and interests without any worry for accountability, Abij should depend on persuasion, and if this fails he is tied by accountability before parliament and the coalition partners.

          This latter issue is an anathema to Isayas. Isayas as a despot does what occurs to his mind in his sleep next morning without any consultation. It is a matter of picking the phone and ordering some emissary to execute the order or directly talking to Abij. Then, Abij’s hesitation and bid for time would annoy him.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            That is precisely the whole point where the hoopla was ephimeral and superficial. It couldn’t stick for the reason you rightly stated.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismael and Paulos,

            I am not totally convinced that IA (PFDJ) and Melles (TPLF) were really at war with each other. I think they created the crisis to take advantage of their bigger plan. The reason I say this, for all the evil talk they had between each other, they never actually did (took action) directly to harm each other.

            I think they both were sharing information by wearing their opponents (by appearing to help them out) Isayas was weakining Melles opponents (Oromo, Amhara, Somal, Tigray) by giving them shelter in Eritrea but they never achieved anything that harm Melles. Melles was helping Isayas opposition (ELF, exEPLF, etc) by giving them shelter in Ethiopia but dividing them and they could never effectively fight Isayas and achieve anything.

            In the mean time everyone is weakened except Tigray (all Eritrea, it’s millitary, it’s economy, it’s people) all Ethiopia (Amhara, Oromo, Somali region, etc) and the only entity that prospered and was effectively in peace and in control of the whole region was Tigray / TPLF.

            So I think this seems conspiracy to the highest degree but I have no reason to believe otherwise.

            In other words similar like what happened in Europe, while France and England were at war, the Rothschilds were buying up properties in both France and England and financing the wars.

            Now it seems to me the drama between Debretsion and Isayas continues…

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Berhe,

            You don’t need to make it complicated to the relationship of Issayas and Meles by insinuating of joint grand conspiracy. No sir. Their relationship wasn’t different from the current relationship of Abiy and Isayas – to integrate the countries in the Horn. In the process of their grand project, it was natural that the two leaders with different governmental system and different economic policy will at one point collide. I am sure you will agree with me that the border wasn’t the cause of the war. Because the leaders were signaling in their interviews that the relationship of the countries will advance to a borderless relationships. It was the conflict of their economic policy that took us in to a war. Countries with different governmental system and economic policy can not have a practical integration or build confederated states. It was failed then and it will fail now. I hope this time will not be bloody as it was in the past, in the event of betrayal to the undisclosed agreement.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Berhe,

            The personal relation between MZ and IA is still untold story. But in my view, it is irrelevant when considered in the framework of the colossal chatastrophy they had unleashed. Of course, IA was found guilty of igniting the destructive war. MZ played it wiser and demonstrated dexterity and statesmanship, which IA incapacitatingl lacked. He was a lone decision maker without advisors or planners. When defeat approached he lost direction, and for the consequence he victimized his career long enablers like Haile Durue. The important side of the relation between the two is their failure to avoid the war that wasted lives and resources as well as psychological and social ramifications left behind.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; you must ask why TPLF was involved in the civil war between EPLF and ELF. To answer this question you need to understand the main points of contention between EPLF and TPLF. TPLF believes that Eritrea is part of Tigray and the only reason Eritrea annexed from Tigray is due to the sabotage of Aste- Minilik. When TPLF launched their movement you can read from their manifesto the clear agenda of their goal. But EPLF was in different frequency; they believed that Tigray is a solo part and parcel of Ethiopia and this stand of EPLF was the major beef between the two organizations. And TPLF never has been comfortable with ideas and existence of ELF; the presence ELF collides with the end goal of TPLF. once the opportunity presented itself, meaning the conflict between ELF and EPLF; TPLF thought that was the ripped situation to support EPLF in eliminating ELF and they took the advantage of it. And ELF was gone. Now, TPLF is feeling good and they were sure their goal of Tigray Tigrigni was within reach. However, EPLF never wavered from its Eritrean complete independence, this EPLF stand translated by TPLF as EPLF is buytrieing TPLF for what they had contributed in eradicating ELF. And at the same time EPLF felt betrayed by TPLF because TPLF forgot what EPLF contribution was in helping TPLF to go all the way to Minilk palace. And believed because of EPLF, TPLF established where they are today. This giant case, ignited the border war and to all this debacle. Furthermore; that is case is the birth of the Agaizaian movement. This the reason the Tigryans will do whatever it takes to weaken Eritreanism and build on Tigray Tigrgni which is a futile attempt. here you have it.

        • Selam Yohannes Zerai,

          The enlightened eplf and tplf leaders (as they were called then by the gullible west), of the early 1990s and their honeymoon period ended in the catastrophic war of 1998-2000. The new peace deal and rapprochement between pm Abiy and IA are condemned to fail, because, as pointed out, it is a marriage of convenience of two unlikely bedfellows, more or less a contract between two trying to outsmart each other. The best match is nowhere to be seen, at least in the short term, and nobody knows when it will arrive, if ever.

          The possibilities are ethiopia and eritrea can travel from this point on either back to the old status quo, or they should wait for eritrea until a democratic government accepted by the majority comes to the scene, or maybe ethiopia should try to work much more with her other neighbors instead of waiting for eritrea until she puts her house in order and decides what it really wants, or salvage what has been achieved up to now and build on it. Leave us alone is not an answer with hundreds of thousands of eritreans in ethiopia and increasing.

          To bring change, armed struggle is too late and out of fashion in this age and times, peaceful struggle is remote when compared with countries like the sudan, algeria and ethiopia. Seen one way or the other, change that will bring the desired situation for peace, rapprochement and economic cooperation between eritrea and its neighboring countries (especially ethiopia) seems to be still far away from what we understand.

          Many explanations are given as the cause for the last retreat of the regime in asmara. It is said that the borders are closed because of the absence of rules of trade between the two countries, eritrea is emptying because too many people are leaving, and those who leave go away with the remittances from diaspora eritreans which is an important part of eritrea’s gdp, and eritreans preferred that they get their money in ethiopia where they receive all the amount. In addition, fear of invasion and recent underground movements, the fact that it said that IA wants demarcation asap, while pm Abiy can not deliver because of the complicated situation in ethiopia, especially between the federal government and the state of tigray, which is an important player in the demarcation, and finally eritrean ultra-nationalists may be having the upperhand, could explain the somewhat cold atmosphere between addis and asmara. Whatever the reason, the rapprochement seems to be at its lowest point compared to some months ago.

          The past has failed and the present is condemned to fail, as predicted by some, and the future seems foggy. The question is what remains then, especially for the people? The elites can manage, the people are the ones who are going to be on the losing end, if the cooperation is stalled, and life, good or bad, will of course continue whatever the outcome. Finally, as said above, maybe ethiopia should try to cooperate much more with her other neighbors instead of waiting for eritrea, which i believe ethiopia is doing. It is also equally true that it is eritrea’s right with whom to cooperate or not..

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            The euphoria you had from the “marriage of convenience” between the two leaders is subsiding slowly but surely. That is a sign of development from your side, though you had the difficulties to seperate the realities on the ground and your wishes to see it to happen. Second, since dictators use agreements as a tactical exist from the current traps they are in, or as a buying time for devising a new strategy to control their subjects, it was understandable that they will not make a sustainable move in their agreements. Third, from the PM side, it was naïveté to not understand that dictators can not live in peace time, and that the flow of information and the flow of goods and services between the two countries does not serve to the interest of the despot. Fourth, it is not a sign of good character

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.aman h
            What makes u think, 3A will worry if PIA of eritrea or albashir of sudan r a dictators or not? 3A’s duties r to safeguard ethiopia’s interest and ethiopia’s main interest in the region is security and port and the rest is so minimal. so if ethiopia’s security concerns can be resolved by who ever the leaders of the regional countries, ethiopia is good with it.
            don’t read diplomatic words in its literal meanings, even US.who preach democracy 24/7, thier priority is to safeguard thier national interests.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Gash Horizon,

            Reading, and acting on, political and diplomatic work in proper internal and external frameworks help involved nations to make mutually productive gains. The impact of internal realities overwhelm the external factors. It is like partners seeking marriage inspite of ummatching families. In this case, the Eritrean people have been resenting on their own ways the egotistical marriage their tormentor has been trying to conduct with the Ethiopian leaders in outrageous disregard of their priorities. Safeguarding sovereignty of their nation was, remains to be, one of them.

            The issue of the disputed borders is a litmus test of any future relation with Ethiopia. I think Dr. Abij and his team were wittingly ( and if so, it would be nasty political opportunism) or unwittingly myopic to see this key matter. By the way, some of us have noted that the euphoric and diplomatically amateurish manoeuvres Isayas and Abij exhibited were to considerable extent fuelled by the financial largesse of Mohammed Bin Zayid and bin Salman. And, the key trigger in this the genocidal war against Yemen. Once it begins to dry, the mood would changes in Asmara and Addis Ababa.

          • Selam Ismail AA,

            If all arrangements are not going to work for eritrea as much as ethio-eritrean relations are concerned, is there any other plan B that is supposed to work for eritrea, or is demarcation the alpha and omega (the litmus test, as you said) in ethio-eritrean relations, and without this things are going to remain as they are forever? The chance that tplf will vacate badme is, in my opinion, remote and the federal government forcing it, is equally improbable.

            It is difficult to say that the two leaders were enticed by financial largess from the gulf states to enter into the rapprochement. Yes, ethiopia has received money from the uae during its financial crisis, but this is debt that will be paid. It is difficult to say what the gulf states would get from ethio-eritrean agreement (rapprochement) other than regional influence. I do not think that ethiopia was in any agreement with the gulf states as much as the yemeni war is concerned.

            It looks like as if we are still in square one. If nothing is going to work, the possibility is that the two will part ways and the status quo will remain as it is to the detriment of the people.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            Yes, I should have qualified the litmus test part of my comment. I meant to underscore putting fulfilment of demarcation in good faith by the Ethiopian government would have sent an essential message to the Eritrean. At that point, we Eritreans, would have re- confirmed who our enemy is. Had that happened, it would have been received as a credible letter of intention. They would have received the signals that our Ethiopian neighbors meant enduring peace and cooperation as two friendly states. You cannot dispute the fact that finalization of agreements on common borders is key token of secured national sovereignty in all aspects. But giving an approval nod to the dictator to sell a crucial matter to the Eritrean people in exchange of his personal interest, sent unwholesome signal to the Eritrean. This was augmented by menacing rhetoric such as navy on our sea waters and cross frontiers sovereign projects.

            As to what the plan B would be, the matter will remain an Enritrean internal affair. It will be plan B for our Ethiopian neighbors. As far as the Eritreans are concerned they are still in plan A. They will continue to strive to get rid of the tormentor regime, and restore their rights to install a government they can delegate to do business with other nations, in the neighborhood and beyond. Our Ethiopian brothers can simply wait and do business with other nations. If they would stand in solidarity with us and do not continue to bypass the Eritrean people’s fundamental interests, that will be an extra investment for them in cordial future relations.

            Regarding funds from SA and UAE, I think for those of us who have been following how these clan governments operate and use their money, we understand the pattern. They transfer funds as deposits in banks of needy poor nations, then they add more as repayable debt in case the intention would not yet be fulfilled, and finally they turn them to grants as token of continued cooperation or cancel the whole amount. What you wrote about Ethiopia in regard to Yemen could indeed be the case. Yemen could not have been part of quid pro quo save in its Eritrean aspect. UAE and SA wanted also to promote their image as peace makers, especially when given signals from the USA and allies. Have not watched the medals Abij and Isaya in Rijadh and Abu Dahbi? How did you read those manoeuvres?

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Horizon,

            Sorry, came in late! Thank you for your rejoinder to the response I gave to Senay Zer’s earlier question to me.

            1. Talking about PM Abiy and President Isaias, the lesson to be drawn from the early goings of the relationship between the two is this: Staying true to principles a person claims as one’s own should not be a matter of political expediency, but a moral imperative. A national leader cannot preach (and claim to champion) rule of law, democracy and justice in one’s own country and, at the same time, sleep with a world-certified, UNHRC-accused tyrant of a neighboring country. This is not to say, as some political charlatans make it sound, that PM Abiy should “bring about change” in Eritrea. It is not even to say that it is wrong for the PM to cooperate with the tyrant in the national interests of his country. Rather, it is simply to say that PM Abiy should have the integrity to refrain from speaking and acting in a manner that legitimizes Isaias’s tyranny and/or help him to further entrench his dictatorship!

            2. As evidenced by the contents of your postings, you never envisage cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea in a situation where decent levels of democracy, human rights and rule of law prevail in the latter. Instead, I read you in your writings as striving to figure out how Ethiopia can benefit from “cooperation” with a disadvantaged Eritrea whose people are still struggling to free themselves from the grips of a cruel dictatorship. But even when you contemplate change in Eritrea, it seems it is all for the wrong reasons!

            In your post above, for example, you seem to be losing patience that change is not coming to Eritrea quickly enough not for the sake of the Eritrean people, but for the sake of ensuring favorable conditions under which Ethiopia would draw maximum benefit from its cooperation with Eritrea. Any rational-minded and good-willed person would wish to see change in Eritrea first and foremost because the Eritrean people deserve better; and would view cooperation secondarily as a desirable byproduct of that change and which both countries would find mutually beneficial.

            3. Let me now pick a couple of the many statements in your rejoinder that I found unhelpful (to put it mildly), and throw in an idea/question or two to show why:

            a) “ … or may be ethiopia should try to work much more with her other neighbors instead of waiting for eritrea until she puts her house in order and decides what it really wants …”
            Gosh, as if that is not happening already! Look my friend, Ethiopia has all along been working “much more with her other neighbours”, as any other country would, because that is exactly what her national interests require her to do! Please, do not try to make it sound as if Ethiopia is sitting with folded arms idly “waiting for eritrea until she puts her house in order” because Ethiopia is obsessed with the idea of cooperating with Eritrea and is worried that the latter may fall behind!

            b) “… peaceful struggle [in Eritrea] is remote when compared with countries like the sudan, algeria and ethiopia.”
            Being both predictive and assertive, this a very strong statement. I would love to have you provide the basis (or bases) for it, if any. I am sure there were some political pundits who made similar “assertive and predictive” statements about Tunisia just a couple of months before the 28-day Jasmine Revolution broke out in January 2011, and completely transformed the country’s political landscape. Same can be said about the popular uprisings that occurred later that same year in Libya and in Egypt which swept away the decades-old and deeply entrenched dictatorship in each country — Not to endorse, or wish on any country, some of the sad consequences and outcomes that unfolded (particularly in Libya) in the aftermath of the successful removal of the dictatorships.

            c) “ … and finally eritrean ultra-nationalists may be having the upperhand, could explain the somewhat cold atmosphere between addis and asmara.”
            Would you explain in what form you came to identify these “eritrean ultra-nationalists”? As individuals, a group or a party? How and when did “they” manage to acquire a status (or the power) that made it likely for them to have an upperhand in Eritrean politics? And if they did, why would they want to promote “cold atmosphere between addis and asmara”?

            Thank you.

          • Selam Yohannes Zerai,

            It seems that there is this belief from the eritrean side that everything that concerns ethiopia should be seen with the utmost suspicion, because the rhetoric that ethiopia will never think anything good for eritrea continues to hold strong, and therefore, any relation of any sort should be avoided as much as possible. It doesn’t matter what eritrea gets out of it, but the thing that is anathema is what ethiopia may benefit out of such cooperation. Every relation must be interpreted as if it is against eritrea’s interest and her sovereignty, no matter what.

            The plight of the people seems to be a secondary issue. They can wait for another quarter century if need be. Changing the system from within is not a entertainable, and the young leaving the country in droves is not a problem either. About a quarter of a million people in ethiopian refugee camps and within the ethiopian society (maybe more), wasting their lives in other places and situations as well, is less important than the land. The land can wait, i do not know about the people, because they are leaving it in droves.

            After all, who am i to say so, when every ethio-eritrean relations never mean good for eritrea. Eritreans should worry always with what ethiopia may gain and not what they gain themselves, in terms of peace, the economy, maybe even human rights as the result of long term engagement of the regime with a country opting for democracy, because the regime may at a certain stage be forced to soften its grip as long as there is no one to force it. Inaction is believed to be better than any sort of engagement with ethiopia. We will see where that will take both countries, unless eritreans have erased ethiopia’s existence from their minds, which nevertheless does not seem to be so, looking at the number of eritreans trying to cross the border, either to reside in ethiopia or continue their journey to other places.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Admas,

            Let me disappoint you and offend many here, both sides. Eritrea and her people have always suffered and continued to suffer from democratic leadership. Her problems had its roots in democratic core principles of her yesteryear parties. ELF and EPLF! Both had ample opportunities (at one point or another controlled a swath chunks of Eritrea proper) to show to the world that they mean business in democracy. They both miserably failed in doing so. They could at least have faked it by organizing some sort of commotions that as if their struggle had the people’s interest at their behest. Absence of this, nothing is left for Eritrea and her people but exposed of being a laughing stock to the world.

            The Diaspora: They have the best case scenario to effect change in the minds of many, within and outside Eritrea. They can only do so if they organize themselves and effect some sort of community-ship in scholastic, economic or even in some kind of governance activities. They can only gain respect if they have greater impact in development, wealth and stability within themselves. Otherwise they will only be left with nice titles before their names and nothing else to show for it, save for being a source immigration. But I entertain myself reading (when I can) about their quibbling of one trying to restore their yesteryear little habesha kingdom and the other trying to hang on to their recent found Damot o Da’amot kingdom. However, I dream to wake-up that one day they, both sets of people, realize that what matters is wealth creation and gaining respect through it! It does not matter where, here on earth or on Mars.

            The case of Ethiopia: I understand her need for sea outlet and would like to remind her leadership that she can only have an outlet only if Eritrea is at peace, with herself or otherwise. Even if Ethiopia annexes Eritrea, by force or peace, the price (in terms of security, development, etc) is higher than doing it, say with Kenya or Djibouti. Thus I always scratch my head when I read about Qey-Bahirachin rhetoric. Somebody has to pay for all these services and Ethiopia is no shape to do so, nor anyone else for that matter. Por ende, los costos de mantenimiento superan los costos de oportunidad.

            Espero tus respuestas esta noche!

          • Paulos

            Selam Say So,

            You wrote, “….Here problems had its roots in democratic core principles….” Would you care to share with us what democracy is or as you said, its core principles? Much obliged.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Paulus,
            Perdón por la tardanza en respuesta y la brevedad. Democracy in short is the people having a right to say in a way their elected officials act on their behalf. Emphasis on “right” and “elected.” The presence of these rights ensures the people to delegate security, law and policy making to their elected officials while enshrining responsibility back on them. Meaning stakeholder-ship. There was never anytime that Eritreans were ever asked about all the above, save the referendum. The results are: the youth vacating in droves and the people (aggravating them further by hurtling insults and assigning aliases such as silent-majority…) wanting nothing to do with opposition. Anything short of these, manifests itself in the way the people have disrespect to each other, further resulting in division and suspicion. All are telltale signs of Eritreans in general (specially in diaspora) and their ever mushrooming political parties.

            From the get go, Eritrea found herself in the never-ending wars of attrition. That just shows how immature the political parties were. They never did any of their democratic home works, in stead went straight to war. Imagine that small islands, with 10,000 or less population achieved independence from Great Britain while Eritrea took her best 30+ years while fighting Ethiopia. PFDJ it still fighting TPLF whereas the opposition is still fighting an Abij-led Ethiopia for independence. That is laughable at best and shameful at least.

            All the above shows that Eritreans (in special the diaspora) failed to win the hearts and minds of the rest of the world to garner support for their country’s plight. Ever wondered why? You’ll get the answer if you understand democracy, in depth!! Instead we Africans are simply known for the titles (chieftainship or scholastic) we carry in front of our weird sounding names (including those that are derived from the Bible.)

            Written in a hurry!!

          • Paulos

            Selam Dis Donc,

            Fair enough. My question to you is that, do you think your definition of Democracy could have been applied in Guerrilla movements as in ELF or EPLF? And you found both Fronts faulty on that account?

          • Selam Dis Donc.

            Indeed, the long-term rivalry between the two countries, has a tremendous impact on the economy and human development index of both peoples. Hence they are one of the poorest countries in the world, and even by african standard. They had the chance to create great opportunities for their people by cooperating instead of antagonizing and fighting pointless wars. Unfortunately, as the result of their short-sightedness, they have condemned their people to permanent misery and poverty.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            Often than not, writers and speakers tend not pay attention to an important thing in transmitting information to readers or audiences. Without noticing, they say or write gross generalization.The point here is we see them happen often (here I am not pleading innocence for myself ) in regard to the peoples in Eritrea and Ethiopia. We speak or write about countries while we know we mean the people or peoples. But, since we know the peoples of these countries have not chosen their lot, why do not we called a spade a spade. Why do not we be specific and name the culprit which are the ruler and tormentors. By saying the people(s), are we not absolving the oppressors from fault?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam iassmail
            In ethiopia current poltics it is “people’s” when u talk about internal poltics of ethiopia. but it is ethiopian “people” when u talk about ethiopia relationship with foreign countries, because they all represent by the fedral gov.
            but in eritrea , which people r u talking about? the opposite or the gov supporters? trying to tell “PIA don’t have people support at all” , is far from the truth, he might not have a full support from the people like he used to have 15 -20 years ago but he still have a lot of support from the people and there is no way we gonna know who is the majority before a democratic election.
            the point is, any country is represented by it’s government and that is true for all countries of the world.

          • Selam Ismail AA,

            Yes, we use the terms ‘country and people’ loosely as interchangeable, which might not give the right picture. When i say the “people” most of the time i mean the ordinary citizens, the majority, and i do not include the head of the system and the group of people who have made the system their home, otherwise the enablers who have tied their fate with that of the dictator, for example. MHM had his people, tplf had its own, IA, Al Bashir, etc. Otherwise how could they rule unless there are their dedicated supporters within the institutions and the bureaucracy. The vast majority of the population are the victims of the system. Most of the time we think that those things are obvious, but they could be missed and misinterpreted.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            Thanks for the elaboration. Perhaps I was lacking in articulating what I wanted to tell. What I meant to say was that since the peoples in the two countries (with variations) did not get chance to elect or choose the systems and governor unhindered and ensure legal safeguards to preclude abuses, I thought it would not be just to generalize and address our opinions to the people without modifying our statements. You are right in saying that rulers and oppressors do have followings. But I do not think they substitute the multitudes who have no say in determining their destiny – individuals and groups.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam iasmail
            multilateral or bilateral relations between countries is consider a realtion between groups if u take ethiopia, her relation with any countries has to consider the interest of every stakeholders in ethiopia , that is the story of the world but dictators might not fellow that.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Horizon,

            Thank you for the response.

            Having made the assumption that you will debate in good faith, I had used my last post to argue against some of your views and to ask questions and/or seek clarifications about some others. Naturally, I had expected you to address at least some, if not all, of the points I raised. But, your latest response did not address any of them, not even one. Instead, you came up with yet another set of misleading statements and claims.

            To help me illustrate my point, let me give you and other forumers a little background to the case. In your recent posts at Awate.com, you have (on at least two occasions) advocated in so many words that Ethiopia has a legitimate, history-supported claim over the port of Assab; and that Ethiopia’s economic and security interests justify Ethiopia’s acquisition of the port. You even issued what is, in effect, a ‘veiled threat’ asserting that ‘the status quo will not stand’! But suffice it, for now, to quote just your latest such statement posted about two weeks ago:

            “Nobody is sure if the future generations will continue to accept the status quo as it is today, that Ethiopia is condemned to remain a landlocked country forever, and Eritrea is bestowed with the right to landlock Ethiopia with a stripe of land 60km wide, cutting from the sea a country as big as Ethiopia and a population 20 times bigger, thus condemning it to a dwarfed GDP, at least by 40% as studies show for a landlocked country, a precarious national security and a country that was historically a Red Sea nation from antiquity until the italians came.”

            In your current post above, on the other hand, you write as follows about the Eritrean people and in criticism of Eritrean political activists:

            “The plight of the [Eritrean] people seems to be a secondary issue. They can wait for another quarter century if need be. Changing the system from within is not a entertainable, and the young leaving the country in droves is not a problem either. About a quarter of a million people in ethiopian refugee camps … “

            I have quoted you liberally above not because your claims and veiled threat bother me. Because they really don’t! I did so because I need to have someone explain to me how two messages on the same subject, but with a world of difference between them could originate with the same person and within a time span of just two weeks!!! In other words, it is a mystery to me how your self-described expansionist view got transformed into ‘bleeding heart sympathy” for the Eritrean masses — whose plight, you say, has been neglected by Eritrean political activists — but who were, in fact, put in their current precarious situation by the very tyrant with whom you are dying to see your country establish a “cooperative” relationship! It is simply unbelievable!

            Oh, you are somewhat surprised that there seems to be a belief on “the eritrean side that everything that concerns ethiopia should be seen with the utmost suspicion,” Let me try to help with that while I am at it. When Ethiopia’s prime minister tells them to their face “እኔና ኢሱ ስንደመር እኛ እንሆናለን፣ የምንካፈለው ደግሞ ኣ…..ሰ……ብ ይሆናል!”; when Ethiopia’s Embassy in London posts on social media a fake map that depicts its “pipe dream”; when, wherever they go, they get irritated eyes and ears because of some Ethiopians incessantly writing and chanting “Port…, Port…, Assab…, Assab… “ like a rowdy group of schoolchildren yelling “candy! candy!” even when they know they can’t have it! — when Eritreans are subjected to this kind of stuff, please do not be surprised if some of them become a little suspicious of Ethiopia’s real intent.

            Finally, let me leave you with a couple of pieces of brotherly advice:

            * No one can and should object to any views you write here on a given issue — it is your right; and as you have proven for yourself, this forum puts no bounds on the range of views it is prepared to tolerate provided they are expressed with civility. But, please have some respect for your readers here and refrain from trying to insult their intelligence.

            * Please find some quiet place and ask your conscience if there is a drop of honesty and sincerity in some of the statements you have been including in your posts. I do not need to know the answer; just keep it to yourself.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Yohannes,

            Horizon is a respected and worthy debater. But, despite his robust and energetic contributions, I realize his position on some issues, especially pertaining to Eritrea and Ethiopia, is a bit enigmatic and difficult to understand. On the one hand, he presents himself as focused pragmatist whose interest is economics and peace between the two peoples, which diminish to auxiliary imperatives that should serve them; and on the other, he projects himself as staunch nationalist who would not mind using politics of irredentism and jingoism if they serve him as means to an end, namely his country’s possession of port on the Eritrean Red Sea coast.

            The stuff you have quoted from his earlier post tells it all regarding his nationalistic tendency. I had also responded to his contention in extended rejoinder to which he did not responded. I digressed leisurely to some random historical facts to remind him that medieval and modern Ethiopia had never been Red Sea entity. If his reference was the Aksumite period, and the fact that king Kaleb sent troops to Yemen through Zula (Zeila) as an instant, then he will have to establish that modern Ethiopia is direct successor of Aksum, which means there was uninterrupted continuum of statehood up to the time of Emperor Menelik II. Moreover, the fact that kings Tewodros, Yohannes IV and Menelik had sent and received goods and emissaries with clearances by local rulers in Massawa cannot add up to legitimate claim that Ethiopia should restore its ancient port (!) on the Red Sea coast that history had established to become part of the sovereign possessions of Eritrea.

            The fact that the Italians had established foothold in Assab through their pioneering Rubatino Company 1769 by transaction with the local ruler, and not the reigning Ethiopian monarch of the time should tell much to our Ethiopian brothers who misread and misinterpret ancient history. The Roman Empire was present on the shores of modern Syria, as the Persians, were in Yemen.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Yohannes,

            Horizon not only he contradicts to explain his ideas, but he also contradicts in the ideas he holds. When you observe such kind traits with individuals, they are classical argument of people without principles. His political stands switches with the prevailing politics of the day. For example he was for the policy of EPRDF of the past before he became against it, and went all the way with current policy (if there is any identifiable clear policy at all).

            Regards

          • Millennium

            Hi Horizon:

            It will naturally be very difficult for people to understand your point when you yourself do not seem to understand where you stand regarding the horn of African politics. Save us the trouble and work on yourself first; make your stand clear to yourself first then try to engage others. I remember engaging you when you were an ardent supporter of Weyane and their policies then with limitless excitement you turned against the Weyane when you saw they were going down and you were warming up to the events that were unfolding. Now you are back at your IMPOTENT imperialist self. I have come to understand this tendency as a unique trait of the Amhara elites. These people still seem not to realize that times have changed; they brag and menacingly threaten totally forgetting that they couldn’t even keep what is arguably theirs let alone threaten an internationally known sovereign country

            Millennium

          • mokie berhe

            Hi Horizon. You are taking on a lot unfair criticism, mostly by those who are propagating conspiracy theories and wishing for the demise of PMAA. It is really amusing, that this same lot of people, choose to remain totally silent during episodes wherein a few known -TPLFites pretending to be Eritreans- make open comments re their idolization of the TPLF, defense of the TPLF, or in promoting the TPLF. It is total hypocrisy out of control.

          • Selam mokie berhe,

            Wow! You seem to have a free and independent voice. This mob criticism comes from the old days when a different viewpoint was anathema and punishable you know how. The funny thing is when a tplf apologist and worshiper of a killer like M.Z. is talking about principle.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            Allow me to be humble and suggest to you not be swayed from debating what you believe in. Criticism is food for thought. They sharpen the mind because critics alert the criticized to take not of is not seen. Those who jump on the bandwagon to exploit a sign of disappointment and raise thumps do it for their own opportunistic ends; not for principle or solidarity. What some of us asked in the conext of one your rejoinders is clarity and consistency, and nothing more.

        • Senay Zer

          Thank you dear Yohannes.

        • Nitricc

          Thank you for the question you directed at me. Your name has been on my mind for some time, and I am sure you know why!

          HI YZ! Why? Because of ZER has the Amharic connotation while Zeri is Tingrigna? why is it in your mind?

  • Nitricc

    Hi all i am envoy of this man. the likes of Semere andom are busy writing about Canada and saying my country Canada; but listen to this guy and he puts me in to great shame. i am embarrassed and ashamed. i can’t wait to serve my country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saSLloS-b_s

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      It’s admirable what Tewolde is doing in Eritrea and learning. However, if you listen his interview carefully, when asked, he only speak for himself and what he himself has experienced. In not so many words he said, I am free, I have a job that I love, I get paid great well (he works for a company owned by Tesla), I enjoy the weather, I enjoy the food, I enjoy the company of peace loving people, I enjoy the sun and sleeping under the stars.

      That’s what all Eritreans want to have.

      Please leave Canada alone, it affords is the life we wanted to have in Eritrea but denied. From the way you speak about the country, you have no idea what it is. You should visit, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, Vancouver, Ottawa and few many in between.

      If you don’t live from the boarder, you should just dirive to Toronto for the sake of it and go and watch Raptors game tonight and experience the city. You will apoericiate, what it means to live in peace, harmony, diversity, free, respect and tolerance.

      That’s what Eritrea (at least Asmara) was before the Amharu come and eventual downhill since.

      Berhe

      • Paulos

        Selam Berhino,

        This is certainly preaching to the choir but it has to be said that, Canada at this point in time is the best country to live in. Did you know that, Toronto in particular has the highest number of high tech companies higher than Seattle, Silicon Valley and DC combined? More over, University of Toronto is the leading institution in AI research and as you know AI is the real thing of the future.

        Needless to say, Canada’s public policy is a stellar. Of course, the only downside is the freaking weather but at least it is manageable where ተኸፍአ ተኸፍአ ኮቦርታ ደሪብካ ትዘውር፣ ዋላ ብዓል ሰመሪለ ኣታ እዚ’ዳአ ከይዳቶ እንድያ ተበሉኻ 😂.

        • iSem

          Hi Paulo:
          Berhe’s list of the qualities of Canada for Nitricc one would think is not lost on Nitricc as Canada as been topping the list of countries for quality of life for many years, even if it has lost its ranking due some policies of our republican 10 year rule, Canada still leaves USA and to the dust in may metrics and USA is coasting on its past accomplishments now eroded by Trump. Canada is far, far, far better that Nitricc has ever imagine and that includes hi Gojam trips
          besides what you mentioned, Canada is also leading the quantum computing revolution. Out of UBC, D-Wave is the leading quantum company and also Kitcher-Waterloo, the home of RIM/black Berry is the hub for quantum computing and the Perimeter Institue of theoretical Physics, home to world class physicists.
          Nitricc in many thing has no clue about Canada. Altough always thoughts Canada can do better in many areas given its huge wealth, still the future belongs to canada if it implements good policies that protect its wealthy and harnesses it to innovate and invent. Canada has a lots of wealth starting from spring water that is now companies like Nestle and Evian are exploiting for peanuts
          So, Nitricc as BY said leave Canada alone and no you should not visit, you will get in trouble, guns are not allowed in Canada;-)

          • Paulos

            Selam Semerile and Berhino,

            First, congrats to both of you for Raptors making it to the finals. And hope Kawhi stays with the team.

            Canada has been lucky in a lot of ways where it doesn’t have some sort of Mythology to trace back in search of an identity for that has been one of blights for the rise of Ultra-Nationalism which is engulfing particularly Europe—if you have been following in the news the Eurozone parliamentary elections. Second, Canada is a relatively young nation where it has taken advantage of it as it learned the formation of nations from Europe and the US and selected the good traits of the said nations as the last child learns from the mistakes of his or her older siblings.

            More over, It’s social and human capital is remarkable in the sense that, it has one of the highest college graduated population in the world.

            Semerile, speaking of the Perimeter Institute, here is something rather interesting about it. The guy who is one of the founders is Lee Smoline. He is a Theoretical Physicist but most of all, he is well known in the field of “Loop Quantum Gravity—LQG.” LQG is probably the most powerful theory which is poised to replace String Theory as the latter is losing its luster where that has been the case over the last decade or so and that is one of the reasons that the Institute is getting more attention around the world.

            As for the Film Industry or Hollywood opting to shoot films in Toronto and Vancouver as opposed to in the States, well, it is cheaper in Canada. DiCaprio’s Oscar winning movie, “The Revenant” was entirely shot in Alberta, for instance, for it was cheaper than say, the Mid-West.

        • Berhe Y

          Hey Paulo,

          I think iSem (next mayor of TO) have said it well so not much to add. I think one of the great advantage Canada has is, its policy of socialism (in terms of health care and education) it’s equal to all, no private higher institution and no private medical services (in majority of the country).

          I think a lot of movies are done in Toronto as well, next to NY and LA. Quebec has some of the best engineers in animation and video gaming industry.

          Nitricc will have a chance to learn now, since the Raptors made it to the NBA final and the whole operation of NBA is moving to Toronto now.

          Saay if you are reading, Toronto all the way.

          Berhe

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    Thanks fellow forumer who could persevere and listen to, and share, what the despot had to say this time around. I am one of those who have lost patience to listening to his monotonous annual harangue. By the way, the man has no audience; he speaks to himself like any despot. No worry because despots think they have monopoly of the truth. Those of us who do not listen to his speech awaited the great saay7 to help us pick something from the nothing the man says. I do not know if we can count on him this time. Perhaps in his own blog.

    Anyway, as anticipated, nothing new. Some one down here mentioned that the despot said something about “revolutionary democracy”. I think we can safely surmise what he meant by that. Up to this time, “revolutionary legitimacy” has been serving him well. And we saw and experienced what that meant. It mean absolute freedom to wage wars of adventure, banish and kill, kidnap and incarcerate, gerrymander the youth to slave labor and open ended trench life, invest meagre resources in spying and surveillance networks etc. Guys, there is no way short of pushing him out from power.

  • iSem

    hi All:
    ፍሽኽ ኢላ ዓባይ ኤርትራ: the dark cloud had cleared, the sun shone and Eri smiles, Asmara sliles, teh Eri people, Mahmud Saleh wrote on his FB as St. Paulo prophetic words and that MS would write a spin
    But truth be told big Eri oig big Asmara never smiled since 1991 May 24, it was Friday, arbi Sqlet and still we await our fasiga. MS confused laughing with smirking
    MS and his co take the personification to a new lever, even the city and country and rocks and sea and the dead smile
    Soon, I predict Mahmud in an exuberant Seattle morning will write:
    ሰብ ዒላ-ዒሮ ፍሽኽ ‘ኢሎም
    ሰብዓዲ ሰግዶ ፍሽኽ ‘ኢሎም
    እቶም አብ ማእከላይ ባሕሪ ዝጠሃሉ አፍሪቃውያን ፍሽኽ ‘ኢሎም
    ወዲ ዓሊ ፍሽኽ ኢሉ
    ወዲ እፍረም ፍሽኽ
    እንዳለ ጽወኡ ተውቢሊ
    ሰሚዕኩም ዶ ‘ታ እቶም ኡሱራት ዒላ-ዒሮ
    ገበኖም ምስ ተነግሮም ፍሽኽ ‘ኢሎም
    ኢድ ነሴኦም
    እማንካ ኢሎም ንነቢ ኢሱ ሰጊዶም
    ምሕረት ተግብረልሞም፣ ማይ ዕዲ ሓሎ ተሓጺቦም

  • Hayat Adem

    Oh Nissu,
    He is still promising. Paul gave the entire speech a one word name: “tetSememu!” It is a cruel joke on us. it has always been so. IA must be the first and the only person who has successfuly decieved a country for too long.

    • Paulos

      Hayata,

      Of interest though, for the first time in 20 years, he didn’t put the Weyanes in bad light, in fact he didn’t even mention the Weyanes at all. Perhaps, what you alluded last week or so about the rumor of making peace with them could be true.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Paul,
        No, he didn’t. I don’t know if that was because he declared them dead or he is holding the olive leaf under table.
        Another one is that he didn’t mention Ethiopia or the new leadership of Ahmed, either. It would have made sense if he were to include Ethiopia as he has always treated her as his personal project in his speeches all the time. Imagine, this is the first May 24 since the coming of Abiy and the new rapprochement.
        Add to that the PM was so brief in congratulating the Eritrean people without trying to put the IA government or IA himself much on the map. This is to be compared with the energy and excitement PMAA was displaying when he had to send a live message of solidarity to IA on the veteran day commemoration. And no prominent person was sent to Asmara from Addis.

        • Paulos

          Hayata,

          That is a great insight. I didn’t think about it. Thank you.

  • iSem

    Hi All:
    IA’s may 24 mentions rule of law once and in connection with the general goals of our armed struggle. No mention of Constitution. Mentions borders once in as in border disputes were concotted. No mention of the peace with Ethiopia. He sounded more as a project manager overseeing multiple, unrelated projects.no mention of peace but mentions progress thrice.
    And he predicts rain falls that will usher in “our progress
    Same old s**t from a S**hole IA and his regime and robotic, demented , busybody supporters

    • Nitricc

      Hi Semere; your language despicable and i am surprised AT let you getaway with kind of BS. you are disgraced individual. If any one a sh”’t hole is you. You are nothing but A-hole.

  • Mez

    Good day Everyone,
    The speech of PIA is interesting. My take homes are:
    1) no political opening,
    2) forget everything which skirts topic of parlament, election, open press,….
    3) his new key policy indication seems to be
    ” revolutionary democracy”. This is almost identical to the doctrines of the TPLF.
    4) His speech could be condensed to the paragraph:

    ” In this new era and without departing from the fundamental principles of nation-building, our cardinal objectives consist of creating and augmenting national wealth through hard work and efficient productivity, and, ensuring equitable distribution of resources and opportunities. Our principal aim is to transform the primordial subsistence economy to a modern and developed industrial economy to bring sustainable change in the quality of life to vast segments of the population; especially those deprived in the past. ”

    Thanks

    • Paulos

      Selam Mez,

      I just finished listening to his speech. I didn’t hear what you stated on the above, I heard only one word instead—ተጸመሙ!

      If he says anything with in the span of 12 minutes, it was a heap of BS and unbelievable contempt for the Eritrean people which you seem to be reading that is not there as in Revolutionary Democracy!

      • Mez

        Hi Paulos,

        Interesting. I red on shabait.

        Are there two versions??

        Thanks

        • Paulos

          Mez,

          As I said, I listened to the live speech.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul and Mez,
            Both of you are right. No fighting!:-). Paul didn’t pay attention because his ears were deafened by these words : ውዲታት፡ ምትፍንና፡ ምልሓቕ፡ ታህዲታትን፡ ሸጥፍን፡ ዓሎቕን፡ ወሽለኽለኽ፡ ቆልመጽመጽ፡ ሽርሒታት ወዘተረፈ…
            Paul even missed a sentence directed to him ናይ ኣብ ወጻኢ ዘለዉ ዜጋታት ወሳኒ ኣበርክቶ ብዝመጣጠን….
            After that I didn’t hear anything clearly, the ሽርሒታት of the wind almost interrupted him 🙂 🙂 :-). Some of the sentences he used to dodge responsibility struck me like: ተዓጊቱን ተቆጽዩን ዝጸንሐ ናይ ሕርጊጎ ኤለክትሪክ…
            ዛጊት ዘይሰነጡና ፕሮጀችትታት speaking about lack of housing etc…
            He started ጽንዓት ብጽንዓት ንልምዓት and finished with that same sentence. It sounded like ጽንዓት ብጽንዓት ንንብዓት.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            He sounded more like giving some sort of run-down to his “Cabinet” members or as Semerile put it as a project manager giving inventories to workers.

            I was once more reminded to what he said to San Connell in the early 80s in ሜዳ, when he told him that he gets more stubborn, the more he is challenged. And that was a telltale sign that he sounded so vindictive when he hurled all the insults instead of inspiring the people with hopes and tangible reforms. I just can’t wait to see and hear what his apologists as in Muhamuday, for instance have to say for they have been feeding us a false narrative about political reforms among other things.

          • Alex

            Hi Paulos,
            Your comment about EDF Hero Gen Sebhat Efrem is uncalled for. You do not state or wish his passing will be announced before knowing the truth. I know he is alive and recovering if you want to know the truth. If you can wish him fast recovery.

          • Paulos

            Alex,

            Well, here is the deal. He is a war veteran and a hero who was also the very first Four Star General in the modern history of Eritrea. More over, he held varied ministerial positions over the years including the Minister of Mines. To be more precise, he is not an ordinary citizen where the public has the right to know not only about his life but most urgently when any harm befalls on him. How is that possible, you claim to know about his health status but the rest of us are denied any news about his wellbeing or lack of it?

          • Alex

            Hi Paulos,
            I agree with you completely that based on his status the GOV have the responsibility to update his status to the Eritrean people since he is not an ordinary citizen as you alluded. But knowing the working of the Gov it looks to much to ask sadly.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Alex,

            How did you know that he is still alive, while his immediate family don’t know about him, after they see him once unconscious and unresponsive in the military hospital of UAE? The government is unresponsive to the family’’s request to see him after that visit?

          • Mez

            Good day Haile S,

            … at least not on Eritrea’s birth day!

            Thanks

          • Mez

            Dear Paulos,

            That is my bite.

            Thanks

    • Bahri

      Hello Mez,
      With apology to deaf people, “tsEmaMs Hade derFu” comes to mind to the bankrupt and corrupt dictator Isaias’s mendacious propaganda..

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Emma and Paul and Berhe:
    I am now entering the lonely wolf field that has always got me hanging alone high dry. The Mahmuday mejjmuE alone is sufferable. But when YG is a topic, there a real and immediate danger and the risk of bringing Mahmuday and Emma to one side again:)
    I must also admit, there are many guys in this forum who can really analyze YG better than I do. I also admit, Emma and others in this forum can better explain the concepts of ነጻነት Vs ሓርነት as it applies to the Eritrean context. But since I love YG so much, I will take a liberty on myself to reinterpret him and try with you guys if I can make any sense. Is that cool? Okay, those two concepts are very confusing. One wonders whether both sometimes overlap or if one is prelude to the other or if you can overpass one to get the other or if there is a situation of proviso of one before demanding the other. However, I say, in the Eritrean context, ነጻነት is needed for ሓርነት”. The case is not similar to those countries in Africa who was trying shake off the alien rulers from Europe. Definitely, the majority or the significant size of Eritreans were supportive of the federation. You don’t willingly approve of a federal arrangement with a colonizer. I think the struggle for ነጻነት has more to do with exercising self-determination than decolonization. Decolonization had a notion of ultimateness for the African countries that were struggling to free themselves. In a contrast, in the Eritrean case, ነጻነት was sought to create a better condition for something greater than that, which is ሓርነት. If so, in the Eritrean case, ነጻነት itself is not much of an end by itself but a needed condition to achieve ሓርነት. And I think that was within the realization of the ghedli movements when they include that very concept in their names. YG might be hinting on the Eritrean case’s peculiarity when referring to ነጻነት ምስ ሓርነት. Stopping at ነጻነት is almost a zero achievement unless connected to the promised bigger purpose.
    Let me get back to it again, from another angle. There is at least a mathematical possibility that Ethiopia and Eritrea can reunite to become one again in the future, right? The only question to be asked would be “what are the terms and conditions for that; if each side finds them agreeable”, right? That contemplation itself tells you that ነጻነት was not a sacred goal but a preferred one to get the bigger purpose in mind, which is ሓርነት.
    If that was not the case, you would end up singing ነጻነት and you would never entertain other levels of rapprochement (federation, confederation, unity etc) with the very entity you wanted your ነጻነት from as an ultimate goal. So may be YG is referring to the ultimate goal of ሓርነት. In that case, the only sensible principle would be “which way is efficient and less costly” and ghedli is not necessarily the only must-pursue path to ሓርነት.
    In fact, YG is claiming not just ghedli was less efficient, slower and costlier but it just played the opposite by defeating the grand purpose itself. I have personally been going through some tiresome exercise of quantifying ghedli end to end (the start, the process, the sacrifice, the results etc) … Then I went on pondering if other paths were picked and projected them to the time and stage we are in. I will not say anything about what I got because i don’t believe they mean anything as there were many unknowns into them.
    The point here is we should allow our imaginations to think without borders including questioning everything of our past.
    Paul and Emma, It is fair to bear in mind YG is not advocating to undo Eritrea’s independence. He is only revisiting the struggle only to show how much we are suffering a lot from the past and the modern Eritrea’s thinking must be based on a lot more and better values than the ghedli ones from here on so that we can strive for a better future.
    It is also fair to bear in mind that many of YG’s thoughts are proven holding. He was alarming everyone that PFDJ would strangulate Eritrea to death a decade ago. He alarmed everyone that Eritrea will face a demographic collapse. And we are clearly inching towards that fate.
    It is fair to bear in mind YG was the first who saw PFDJ as a truly parasitic force where self-preservation is the beginning and the end purpose and as such it would eat up on the Eritrean soul and core for its own survival; and there is nothing else as a social high purpose for it to live for. And it is true.
    YG has warned Ethiopia how PFDJ would outplay it on the waiting game. He warned them to act early and empower the opposition and thereby save themselves and save Eritrea. They didn’t heed and now paying the price in plenty for their inaction and failure to preempt at a much cheaper cost.
    Hayat

    • Paulos

      Hayata,

      My brave sister, it feels kinda weird for I never engaged with you in a debate. I must say, it is an honour.

      As you have aptly put it, freedom is a tricky idea for it overlaps in legal and political concepts where the unsettled debate between Rawls and Nozick comes to mind, for instance.

      I tend to see it in two realms: Freedom as in Eritrea’s independence from Ethiopia’s forced subjugation; and freedom as in individual freedom chartered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The former is certainly in place but the latter is taking the center stage with in the current Eritrean political discourse and struggle—ከም ህዝቢ ነጻነት ረኺብና፣ ከም ህዝቢ ግን ሓርነት ኣይረኸብናን.

      YG is not telling us on how to bring about the political institutions so that we can enjoy individual freedom as in freedom of thought, speech, worship, political participation among the other perks that come along with individual freedom, but he is offering us his “Monday Morning Quarterback” take on Eritrea’s historiography. For all practical purposes, the question is not whether he is right or wrong but whether his thesis is useful or not in our collective struggle against Isaias’ regime in here and now. Perhaps, it may find its place in an academic discourse as a different angle or perspective but it’s practical purpose is misplaced for it is losing its relevance.

      Moreover, PFDJ may have been a parasite and the nation may have been hallowing out of its younger generation [which I should say is highly exaggerated—please read Yohannes Zerai’s recent comment], but the question is, what does it really mean at the end of the day? Simply because, PFDJ is in an incredibly shaky ground and the youth is fighting back as we know it today where the Yi’akil movement is a testament to that effect.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Paul,
        The honor is mine as well! Lets give a try, why not:)
        YES, as it stands today, the likelihood of YG’s ideas transitioning to applied living in Eritrea seems slim. But isn’t that why he is saying what he is saying though: that Eritreans accross the board (that includes opposition) are all standing for the imagined Eritrea than for the real one? So, I think, YG is saying all that because of all the things you mentioned, not despite.
        Ghedli created an imagined Eritrea as opposed to the authenticate one and that has carried currency to this day. And for that very reason, the end justification has now become an elastic relativity affair while the only thing that remained fixed is the very imagined Eritrea. Do you see the paradox? We have a fixed imagination and a constantly shifting post of reality.v100k lives given for liberation is an okay price except that the people are not living a liberated life. 28 years of servtude is an okay price to keep the dream of an imagined Eritrea alive except that it does seem that dream won’t last long.
        Finally, though an imagine Eritrea would never be achievable, the stretching limit of relativism won’t stop there at all; even sacrificing the imagined Eritrea itself would be okay as long as the wealth or death of the nation is from our own making and not the Ethiopians. What Fikeyuoma said the end of history is happenning as the end of Eritrean history?!
        With love,
        Hayat

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Hayat,

          What exactly is YG saying in today’s Eritrea or Eritrea of 1991. You say so much but you say nothing at all. Do the Eritrean people wholeheartedly accept the regime of IA with no qualms and support it 100%. I think this is not a case today, was not case yesterday or even in 1991.

          The Eritrean people, slowly but gradually have been opposing IA from day one. It certainly was the case with traditional opposition before 1991, tegadelti in 1992, disabled in 1995, Johova witness in 1994, Muslim teachers in 1996, Butweded ABRAHA in 1996, the G13, G15, UoA students, Journalists, opposition websites since 1991,, and until today.

          When was the time the Eritrean people stop opposing IA ever? He was successful in quashing the opposition using brute force,..but we never accepted the rule of IA as our ultimate destiny. Far from it.

          When was IA seen so happy as he did in Ethiopia ever in Eritrea? He knows it and the people know it too, he is despised and we know that’s what we burdened for.

          So what exactly is that you are YG offerering for where we are today?

          Correct me if I am wrong, what I am reading between the line is for the Eritrean people to give up and declare “sorry dear mamma Ethiopia, we were wrong and we are still are wrong, please take us back, please take us back because we don’t have the youth who will be able and have the capacity to even understand and implement what constitutional government means”.

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Correct me if I am wrong, what I am reading between the line is for the Eritrean people to give up and declare “sorry dear mamma Ethiopia, we were wrong and we are still are wrong, please take us back, please take us back because we don’t have the youth who will be able and have the capacity to even understand and implement what constitutional government means”.

        • Paulos

          Hayata,

          This thing is getting interesting. YG talks about an imagined Eritrea and a real Eritrea. I don’t even know what those are meant to be to be honest with you. They sound a clever talk of an academic in an English Literature class. Incidentally, one finds similar analysis on James Joyce’s novel “Ulysses” where if the author was talking through his characters about a modern day Homer’s epic “Odssey” as the similarity of the titles alludes or if James Joyce was telling a subtle story of his imagined city Dublin as it was struggling to free itself from English occupation.

          Eritrea, certainly is not a novel. More over, as you are familiar with the epic journey of the Israelites from the bondage of the Pharaohses to the Promised Land, Moses promised them about a land with milk and honey but as the saga narrates, not only it took them 40 years trekking in the wilderness but a lot of them lost hope in the middle and started accusing Moses of a false promise and started longing for Egypt’s fresh Onions and went back worshiping their old and former idols. Do they remind you YG when he says, the journey and those who died along the way died in vain? Those who stayed the course with uncompromising perseverance, however, made it to the Promised Land.

          Abraham Lincoln, at the end of the Civil War talked about an imagined America which is marching towards a Perfect Union. Close to 200 years later, MLK talked about the Promised Land where his children will be judged not by the color of their skin but by their personal character. Lincoln’s imagined America is not there yet nor is MLK’s but the dream lives on believing that it will happen one day because the human spirit is meant to triumph.

          And that is precisely the reason that Fukuyama was wrong when he talked about the “End of History” for the story of nations doesn’t end but it evolves into a better world guided by Hegelian Providence. Eritrean story is not an exception either for the Eritrean people are part of the grander human narrative.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            I am so busy, but I will come with a complementary arguments to your argument in the evening. Hayat riding YG’s argument will not let her without telling her that there is no end of history if it is history at all because history in itself is a past.

          • Nitricc

            YG talks about an imagined Eritrea and a real Eritrea. I don’t even know what those are meant to be to be honest with you. They sound a clever talk of an academic in an English Literature class.

            Hey P; what everyone failed to notice about this con man; YG’s is that his writings and the ideas are not home grown; they didn’t came from within. His writing and the ideas came from collection of philosophy and philosophers to construct a case for Eritrea. This is the exact reason why you felt “They sound a clever talk of an academic in an English Literature class”

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Ahlan Hayat,

          Hayat Adem seems, she has ridden the distraction campaign against the Eritrean people move towards toppling Isaias. The dream of the Eritrean people was and will never be an imagined Eritrea. Eritreans’ dream is real and robust, the reason that makes all her enemies salivate when they hear the name “Eritrea”.

          YG is a notorious Andinet guy, and his play on words doesn’t change the important location that Eritrea occupies in the world. Eritrea has become an envy of the world powers, and Ethiopia is only a toy in the hands of big power for a handful of donation. YG and his likes should understand, Only renting some parts of our locations will realize the Eritrean dream.

          Those who push YG think, they will divide the people of Eritrea or sway them from their mission of removing Isaias, but they are deadly mistaken. They have to conceive, they will never win even if they push thousands of YG. This is not a show-off, but a reality portrayed on the ground in the near past. Hayat Adem seems, she doesn’t know the people of Eritrea.

          I have followed Hayat Adem from her first comment about YG, and I expected her to fully indulge in the matter after she paved the ground. My expectation realized, and the rest she has in disposal is also understood before she spew it. Eritreans are acting on the ground not dreaming. It is not difficult for Eritreans to follow the little minds.

          A PEOPLE’S DREAM MAY SUFFER FROM WEAKNESS, BUT NEVER DIES.

          Al-Arabi

          • Paulos

            Selam Hameed,

            It behooves one to be fair to him for it can compromise one’s intellectual integrity when one approaches his over all thesis with due seriousness it deserves. That is to say that, YG is not pro-And’net nor is he rooting for Eritrea to go back to Ethiopia-proper.

            His analysis is retrospective as opposed to prospective and that is one of the reason that he seems to be losing traction in comparison to the first time he came to the spot light when he dominated practically the entire Eritrean political discourse and took it by storm.

            He should be respected for his intellectual acumen to the very least for engaging us onto something original in scope and in depth as well whether we agree with him or not.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Paulos,

            Dear Paulos, take into consideration the timing. It is very important. If he meant well for the people of Eritrea, he should debate about the present move of the Eritrean move “Yiakil”. He should start from this point and push the struggle forward. The Eritrean people have left Gidli and Fronts for history. It is time for making new history for Eritrea, not turning pages of history. If he is really for Eritrea and her people and has the skill to participate in making new history, then he will be respected. I evaluate intellectualism by the role he plays in rectifying what has gone wrong, and by playing his role at the right time. YG has appeared in this critical time to divide and distract the Eritrean people. YG is not only Andinet, but he is also “Agazian”.

            Al-Arabi

          • iSem

            Carro Paulo:
            Today is May 24 and you wished us happy independence day and I have to return the favor;
            Impossible to notice your endearing, stoic demeanor. Elevated debate is your first route, as all men and women of confidence and depth do, going an extra mile is your emblem. Intellectual honesty is your desire. We need more of that. And I have also to include in this select pantheons aya Isamail AA. No hint of anger when hate and insults and put downs “Blinked” into his
            Your take YG, putting forward his erroneous take and rebutting him is admirable.
            Saleh 2019 awate person of the year is a tie

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            Many thanks for the vote of confidence. Where is Sal these days? His invaluable input is missed. Hope he is well.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Hayat; What a waste of time. I don’t know if you are wasting your time or you are your self the definition of waste. get a life!

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc,
        This stuff is supposed to be out of the reach of children. Can you stay at the temporary care until someone attends to you? Are you too young too, to do this on your own?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Nitrickay,

        Until I get back to Hayat, I would like to say few words to you. Please argue on the facts (you could have plenty of them) than attacking her personalities, Despite I disagree with her on the Eritrean cause and aspiration, I admire her for her intellect that we can utilize them for other national purposes. We have the facts on our side and we should debate based on them.

        Regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      From the outset let me say this to you: YG’s argument is clear to all of us. We don’t need interpretation.You love him because both of you have a contrarian view on the cause of our struggle and the aspirations of our people. No problem to have a contrarian view. His contrarian view – I saw it just for the sake contrarian to be. In his pal-talk message, whether I support him or not, I don’t see any “originality” in it, and I will explain to prove that it hasn’t. But before I go to his theory and his argument, I would like to say few things about “ነጻነት” and “ሓርነት”.

      You are right “ነጻነት” was a prelude to “ሓርነት”. But because the political program of the fronts was “national democratic program” then you could argue to a lesser degree the overlapping of the two. It was national because we have to liberate “Eritrea” from the annexation with Ethiopia. It was democratic because there was rudimentary democratic institutional structures ( at least with in the organization I had been part with) running different organizational departments. If there is a need I will mention them upon request. But In a politico-military struggle, the military operations occupy as the primary agenda of the organizations. Imagine, without creating a space by liberating some of our land, we can not establish democratic institutions even if we have a national democratic programs. So, from practical point it had been assumed”ነጻነት” as a prelude to “ሓርነት”. Second, because the colonization of Eritrea by Ethiopia does not match to the classical meaning of Colonization, it doesn’t mean Eritrea wasn’t the colony of Ethiopia. It was tied with Ethiopia by the big international power (British and America) for the purpose of their interests. So ELFites in their congress came with their own term and we called Eritrea “a special colony”. The same can be said with the Spanish Sahara and Morocco. From the ELFites political views “Neo-colony” and “Special colony” was new phenomenon that came in to existence after the liberation of African countries in particular and in all third world countries in general. Third, everything is relative with time and space. Therefore, at this time relatively with the burning desire of Eritreans “ነጻነት” is sacred for Eritreans. When you argue stay with realities not with the imaginary to borrow the words of YG for the sake of argument. I will not contemplate for things that will or don’t happen 100, 200, 300 years from now.

      Now back to YG’s argument. The center of his argument was “Real Eritrea vs Imaginary Eritrea”. YG always create his own concept to fit his argument. This time I could argue with his own conceptual framing. Let me ask this question and try to answer it myself and do yourself too. Can we have an “independent Eritrea” without imagining it? the answer is No. In fact we imagined “independent Eritrea” for thirty years, and we realized it. Which means Independent Eritrea is real. The same can be imagined for a “Liberal Democratic Eritrea”. Actually we are “Imagining a liberal democratic Eritrea” and we are fighting to realize it. We will create Real “Liberal Democratic Eritrea.” How long it takes? It is every one’s guess. Life is the struggle for survival. In the struggle of survival the fight is eternal. The fight for democracy and justice is eternal as far as there are opposites, more so between the oppressor and the oppressed. The Eritrean realities will not be different. If one said the “imagined Eritrea ” is not achievable like yourself, I could only tell you if the “imagined independent Eritrea” is achieved whatever imagined Eritrea is in your mind as achievable. Different societies set their own “imagined object” from time to time and keep fighting without losing focus and determination.

      regards

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman,

        I won’t have done it differently. Thanks you. Do not forget, and our dear Hayat as well, to take note of the fact that YG is a student of philosophy. And philosophers are not usually good (where is our Dr. Paulos) politicians or socio-cultural experts. Politics without diplomacy as an auxiliary is most of the time a difficult business. It is a discipline of possibilities, pragmatism and compromises.Tell a philosopher to do that in his field, and he would call you a poor thinker who wastes his time.

        Thus, YG has his own world and way of dealing with it. He has been trying to deal with Eritrea, and what it should have done and what it ought to do in future as a subject for circular argumentations that can at best reach provisional conclusions. At least that is what I have gathered from his speeches and discussions. Of course one can enjoy his tenacity as a student of philosophy and articulate mind.

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

        Just a thought here. I am not sure if you are familiar with Isaiah Berlin’s works or main ideas. He was a pioneer in Analytical Philosophy but his major contribution was when he came up with the idea of or dichotomy if you will, “Positive Freedom and Negative Freedom.”

        He said, the former is when you are free from something as in for instance, Eritrea’s independence from Ethiopia and the latter is when you gain individual freedom, what is lacking in Eritrea, for instance. Again, this is just a thought. That said however, not sure if “Positive Freedom” can be read as ነጻነት and “Negative Freedom” as ሓርነት. What say you?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          Your romanticism on the “history of ideas” is amazing. There is no area of discipline of knowledge that you can not delve and provoke us to say something. Yes, I read some of his works. He is a social and political theorist. I love to read his work because he is a “historian of ideas” that deals with intellectual ideas. He studied multiple discipline of knowledges.

          Back to your point: In the context of the Eritrean politics, my mind is always gravitated in to “practical politics” than “analytical politics” because analytical politcs is more of theory and analysis of conceptual theories. Most of the time when we debate of Ghedli we always forget that it is a “politico-military Movement.” In such kind of movements we don’t anticipate freedom as in “civic freedom,”where military discipline is the order of the day. In our debate in the context of ghedli “ነጻነት” refers to “liberation” not to “freedom”. So Doctore the philosophical dichotomy of Isaiah Berlin positive freedom vs negative freedom, in my limited knowledge, don’t see its applicability. I am saying this knowing YG’s and Hayat’s argument that Ghedli should bring both the liberation of the and civic freedom of our people from the mountains of Sahel at the same time. It couldn’ happen from politico-military organizations. One could expect EPLF to bring the Eritrean people together to build a constitutional state with institutions where civic freedom could blossom from the institutions of democracy. Unfortunately, it didn’t happen. Because the organization was “highly centralized” to the extent where the entire political power was rested on an individual person who become the hell of the nation and its people.

          Regards

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dr. Paulos & Aman H

          1) ኪድ ድላይካ ግበር ነጻነት ሂበካ አለኩ።
          2) ኪድ ድላይካ ግበር ሓርነት ሂበካ አለኩ።

          Which of these two statement make sense? As layman, I do not understand how the two senses fit in positive and negative freedoms. That is in the mind of an Eritrean ( Tigrinya speaker) preoccupied by relating the two concepts to independence and liberation.

          In straightford sense outside philosophical discourse, independence for an average Eritrean mind has territorial meaning – end of Ethiopian occupation in its specificity. In this case, independence is a collective concept. It is attainable throught collective effort and not individual strive. Thus, ነጻነት in the mind of an Eritrean Tigrigna speaker has dual meaning.

          Once it independence is attained – everything within the boders of the territory -the collective concept that achieved it transform to another concept in which the individual takes center stage. Now, the dichotomy change to relation between individual members of society to a governing authority in the framework of the distribution of power, resources and other interests. The conceptualization of the concept as stated in point number one above makes sense. ሓርነት suggests individual liberty and freedom to own property, of movement, of expression, o choice in way of life etc.

          Now then, the two sides ( in philosophical context) of freedom Dr. Paulos has raised may translate in an Eritrean Tigrinya speaker’s mind as independence to suggest freedom of the land or national territorial possession from alien presence, which can relate to positive concept of freedom, while the other concept (negative) individual liberty and freedom that is pitting the individual and the ruling authority in Eritrea to shake off constraints and limits to the individual to live his /her life within the society freely. Settlement of this dichotomy between the individual’s striving and the suppressive authority has not yet reached a stage in which collective effort emerge to suffice removal of the regime, and harness the successor authority to harmonise the positive and negative freedoms in its ንጻነት and ሓርነት as understood by Eritrean Tigrinya speaker.

          NB: what I have scribbled may not make sense after all. In that case ignore it

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Indeed your comment makes sense and it snaggly fit to my argument with some details. Can you see it now?

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,
            I didn’t. I will go to it right away. Thanks.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA, and Professor A. Hidrat,

            Incidentally, this is a testament that our Tigrinya is rich in syntax and meanings when English has only one word–Freedom, unless otherwise one makes the argument that ነጻነት is a borrowed word from Amharic where as ሓርነት is a native or home grown Tigrinya word.

            The word “Freedom” is a tricky business if I can put it colloquially.

            For instance, Isaiah Berlin was trained as a Linguist and he experimented if the different meanings of a single word can be applied in political discourses as well. For example, he wants to know if the word “Freedom” can mean different things with in a context and hence the dichotomy he came up with.

            More over, from a philosophical and legal point of view, “Freedom” runs into a paradox in terms. Consider this: If everyone has the freedom to do what ever he or she wants, that means, that person has the freedom to infringe upon someone else’s freedom and if he does, it means the other person is not totally free for his freedom is violated. In short, one’s freedom is a liability to another person’s freedom. [If the State puts limitations on the person’s freedom to protect the other person, then the word “Freedom” can be taken for a sham.] It is a legal and philosophical conundrum. I digress. My apologies.

            P.S. Aya Ismail, far from it, your comment makes a brilliant sense.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulo,
            One addition. Harenet, I believe, is derived from the Semitic original Hurriya, Tigrinya just adopted it from Geez.

          • Paulos

            ኣንታ ኣያይ እሞ ነገር ፋሕ ኢላ!

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Saleh and all,

            I got busy thus didn’t attentively follow all discussion on these 2 words.

            ተክአ’s tigrigna dictionary was not very helpful, mixes both meanings, but the general understanding is:
            ነጻነት = independence
            ሓርነት = liberty or freedom

            Wolf Leslau’ geez dictionary is helpful in the possible origin of the two words as follows:
            ሐራ = army, troops, hosts, soldiers
            ሐራዊ = soldier, freeborn, nobleman
            ሐራውና = freedom

            ነጽሐ = be pure, be clean, be purified, be cleansed, be guiltless

            In addition, Audust Dillmann’s geez-latin dictionary mentions an equivalence between ነጽሐ (geez) and ነጻ (amharic).

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            You are very resourceful. This helps a lot. Thank you!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi HaileS,
            Sorry for the belated reply, and I envy you for the references you have.

            The history of languages in Eritrea is an important topic and I am very passionate about it. Sadly, it has been one of the main controversies and had a crippling effect on us as a nation. And I am amzed on how much we misunderstand our language which we treat as a political issue at the expense of our cultural and social development. With this in mind, I have spent so much time studying it and I have not even moved deeper from the surface. So, this comment is rather long but I wanted to take the opportunity and try to elevate the discussion.
            Our languages cannot be properly studied in alienation from ancient Hemeriate, Sabean, and other Semetic languages. Arabic and Geez have developed form these origins, so has Hebrew Aramaic (Jesus’ mother tongue) they are related closely. Unfortunately, Geez is rarely mentioned in many of the references I read.
            These languagesin lexicography have root words mostly made up of verbal root word three syllables and it branched out from the root word to form the parts of grammar.
            Hurriya, in Arabic, means freedom and hur is free, originally it meant ‘noble’, maybe because like in the Hindu culture, soldiers were from the noble class. But there are many theories, sometimes contradicting the theory of root words that may have developed at a later stage, mainly with religious development and connotation, borrowing, or getting influenced by words developed elsewhere. Here let me mention the word MetsHaf, which Arabic borrowed from Geez.

            To most Muslims its adopted version “musHaf’ is the equivalent of Bible. When the Kuraan was compiled, they had to give it a name and Sefer (the name of the Jewish books) was suggested, but it was avoided because it may create confusion. A disciple of the prophet who had sought refuge in Abyssinia told them that he saw the Abyssinians have a bunded parchment folios that they called MetsHaf, so, the word was Arabaized and became MusHaf.
            “Etymologists say that ḥurr is derived from ḥarr, [the antonym of cold], because the free man possesses a pride and warm zeal that causes him to seek noble character qualities, in contrast to the slave.”
            Hurriya could also have been derived from Herut, Hbrew, that was in turn could be “a loan word from Aramaic.”
            At any rate, in Arabic Hurriya means freedom, Hur is free and Harenet is, I tend to believe, Haenenet, freedom, which is close to Hurriya. Incidentally, the Sawahili word UHURU belongs to that process of loan/adaptation.
            Therefore, “Although we will never be sure, Arabic hurriya and Hebrew herut are both likely from an Western Semitic noun meaning “noble,” which may or may not have been a Common Semitic word. All of these languages have cross-influenced each other over time.”
            As for Natsenet, I searched an entire Arabic dictionary for words beginning with the ص (not the light s, س ) sound and found out that many of them have their equivalent in Tigrinya with the sound changed to ጸ. For instance, SubH become TsebaH. MetsHaf becomes MusHaf, Tselot become Selat, Atsbeha become AsbaHa, etc. I feel the root of Natsenet could be found if studied further. Incidentally, in anatomy, take any Arabic word and add the i sound and it becomes Tigrinya: Raas=Re’esi… Ayn=Ayni, Ezn=Ezni, Sn, snni, nefs=nebsi, tzfr+tsefri, etc
            Then there is another pattern where the Arabic z is simply changed into ጸ and it becomes Tigrinya: azafr=Atsafer, Zelam=Tselmat, etc.

            Now, the following may interest you and a few others.

            http://awate.com/like-an-aged-wine/
            http://awate.com/language-and-religion-in-eritrean-politics-2/
            Other references I found in the Internet:

            Man Versus Society in Medieval Islam By Franz Rosenthal
            The Philology of Freedom By Alex Maged

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Saleh,
            🙂 🙂 🙂 BTW Dillmann’s Lexicon Liguae Aethiopicae is freely available at google books. I can’t agree more on everything you said. Most of the tigrigna dictionaries I saw don’t or rarely mention (ተክአ’s) the link of a word to its origin or comparison to similar other languages like arabic. Almost non of them talk of Geez. Yet that is the way it should go as you rightly mentioned. Take the example of Dillmann’s geez dictionary. Almost every words is presented with its sister languages arabic, hebrew even others like greek and biblical paragraphs where the word was used. Ludolf and Dillmann were able to be the references for Geez without putting a foot to Abyssinia because not only they had knowledgeable abyssinian helpers, but also they were very knowledgeable Semetic linguists. That is definitely the way ti go to understand tigrigna instead if trying to make arabic the punching bag for all our illnesses.
            Thank you for the two articles. I will read them attentively and perhaps come back to you. You mentioned in one of them some Dehai period exchanges. This reminded me of Haile BoKre’s initiative to collect money through Dehai in order to buy and send a copy of Dillmann’s dictionary to the university of Asmara. I don’t know where it ended.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear SGJ and Haile S.,

            Thank you for the wealth information on language you shared. I am very, very ignorant when it comes to this type of heavy topic but I like they way you are educating a lot of us who do not have much knowledge and appreciation for Arabic language in our country. It has become a punching bag and it is used for political purpose when making simplistic argument such as (the ERITREAN muslims want to import it etc). Even learned scholars have used similar argument that you expect otherwise. For example in one of the meeting the constitution commission that was held in Toronto by Tekie Fesehasion and Dr. Araya, the late Memhir Musa Aron asked why not having Tigrinya and Tigre as official language instead of Arabic, the phrase he used “AdiA gedifa HatnoA tinaFiq”, but i would assume he has intimate knowledge compare to average person and (translating bible and all).

            Just last week, I watched this on YouTube channel where they invited, sort of a challenge between Lewam who speak Tigrinya and Khalid who is from Iraq and speaks Arabic. She would speak the word in Tigrinya and he tries to guess / relate and he would speak in Arabic where she tries to guess in Tigrinya. The similarities quite stunning to me and for Eritrea it will be an added advantage in the region if we get to learn it at all levels.

            https://youtu.be/y1yFL0KVwQo

            So from now on when we hear simple argument, how about we give them the link and let them get amazed:).

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            I am back. I read the 2 links. I remember reading the second (2016) not the original of 2011, thus read it now.
            Saleh, your articles get tastier with time like wine (no matter what you said about aging wine in that article). As long as we don’t consume the reconciliation subjects (discuss and implement) and consume your bottles, you are obliged to open them, enjoy the smell and change the corks and display them for our enjoyment. We won’t get bored of reading them. They will remain as timely as the controversy, just talking about the subject in hand.
            BTW, it is interesting what you said about Medressa. Do you think – ምድራስ፡ ድርሰት… ምድራሳት (ግዕዝ፡ exagesis or literary explanation, interpretation) – the same origin and meaning as Medressa?

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes Haile,
            Geez is even closer. A few days ago I heard a new Arabic word “yetehawek”. I was curious and looked it up. Guess what, it means ”yehiwekh”. I never herd it before.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            ትርጉማ ክረክብ ተሃዊኸ። ኣብ ክንዲ ዝሓስብ ናብ Dillmann ከይደልካ ድሕሪ ቁሩብ ምግንጻል፡ I think, I got it. Yehiwekh means to agitate or to move or ምህዋኽ.

  • Mesfin

    Good day AT.
    Educational to the point! The one sided people used to present the ELF as the revolution that saw division by presenting dogmatic statement: The land of Eritrea could only occupy one revolution for the liberation of Eritrea. As a result, it is blamed that EPL started the fight with some groups of people that have been plotted by outsiders to disintegrate the whole liberation movement. The deposed ‘liberation movement’ allied itself with the enemy secretly and managed to annihilate ELF. Thereafter, revolution was hijacked and people were lost, didn’t know what to do. This confusion is still present and as a result, any present movement is fragments because the points you presented is not in their political agenda. The phases are not there. Everything is mixed and expecting ‘win-win’ solution.

  • bmi1

    Eritrea is producing more refugees than ever;

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Happy Independence Day! It is anybody’s guess what Isaias is going to say. Is it going to be same ‘ol same ‘ol “Groundhog Day” or a tone and substance of reform in the offing? Only heaven knows!

    • Haile WM

      same mantra,
      if there is no enemy (option 1) he talks about rebuilding (option 2) 🙂
      and he went on for the second option this year …

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I just read Moda’s post with great nuisance. What is the exact reason for Bilink to be suspended? Did he violate the posting guidance? Did he disobey the forum’s rules? Then why is he suspended? I get it, because no one can refute what he has to say and automatically the group thinking and the group mentality set in and every one gungs up not only attack but suspend him. It is a great shame to you all. If you don’t like what he has to
    say, don’t read or respond but to silence a guy because he believes different from you is crime. You better not utter this democracy and free speech BS. You don’t even what it is. Democracy my foot! You got to give to Bilink though; he punched you one by one and you had to gang up to your group thinking and still you can’t do it. What is left to do was to get rid of him. Good job and good luck with your democracy BS.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Nitricc,

      I think, he was banned for his RACIST behaviors and comments.

      Al-Arabi

    • Saleh Johar

      Nitricc,
      If you go to the most rowdy of places, a night club, you find bouncers. Even if you disrupt the noisy place, you are shown the door. It’s discipline and behavior, it has nothing to do with democracy which understand wrongly. If anyone tried to pee in the forum floor, guess what awaits them! Nothing is absolute because no one tolerates chaos.

      • Nitricc

        Hi SJ; To be honest with I wasn’t following the conversation but I have read many compline about Blink. They almost gung up on him. So, I read he was suspended; my immediate reaction was SJ or other Modas are pressured to take action and AT did. You shouldn’t let any one to pressure you to take an action; if you do, that will lead to group thinking and ultimately the down fall of the forum. .

        • Hi Nitricc,
          Please check our response to Millennium. Also remember when you insult and disrespect a dozen people, they naturally gang up against you. You should know better the AT considers feedback but it never did and never yield to pressures. Do not assume reasons you conjured in your own mind and this forum will fall if it yield to the whims of disruptive people or propagandists.

          Finally, how many times have you heard about the fall of this forum since you became a member of this forum? Consider your answer as our answer.

    • Millennium

      Hi Nitric:

      I second your point; I do not think he violated any forum guidelines as well. I think he was kicked out because he was presumed to have disrespected Ismail AA; as much as I respect Ismail and dislike a lot of what Blink says, I do not think respecting Ismail is one of the criteria by which a forumer is either kept or kicked out.

      Millennium

      • Hi Millennium,

        Of course any disrespect is not tolerated here, but people are given a chance to make the wrongs right and change their attitude. Forum moderators follow the comments religiously and it’s easy for them to spot patterns. Remember you do not follow the pattern as the moderators do.

        Also, if someone violates the guidelines, or becomes too disruptive to the flow of discussions (the reason why we have the form), they are already on the red area. Thereafter, if they add the last straw and it breaks the camel’s back, as the saying goes.

        Consider a class monitor who observes the bad behavior of a student over a long time, then a decision is made when you commit the last mistake and you are kicked out. Focusing on the last communication and forgetting the pattern is not the right way to judge a decision.

        Moderators do not consider such measure unless they can’t handle it anymore. Think about it: this forum is open for anyone provided they play by the rules. Why would they dismiss anyone–it defies the point. People should not have the illusion that anyone at awate is threatened by their “ideas”.

        Now, can you think of anyone you would dismiss had you been a moderator/ Or you would let the forum rot and degenerate under your watch?

        The difference is that you are not making the decision. Be thankful you do not have to moderate adults who should know better. The rule is: don’t disrupt discussion and and don’t be respectful, and you can say anything you feel provided you adhere to the posting guidelines. If you keep violating the rules of engagement repeatedly, then no one has unlimited tolerance.

        Lastly, please do not turn this is not a soccer game where people argue about a referee’s decisions. It’s an endless topic.

      • cool

        hi millennium,
        the banning of blink reminds me the” unty terrorism law of weyane_”

    • cool

      This is how freedom of speech will be handled in eritrea, in case these guys get the upper hand in eritrea

      • Haben

        Dear C,
        Can you tell us how freedom of speech is handle in Eritrea now?

        • cool

          hi haben,
          we all know, how it is handled in eritrea right now , but repeating the same mistake is not the solution.

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Dear Ibrahim Taba,

    First, I thank you for your observations and concerns about the state of the Eritrean struggle for democratic change. The contents of the article seem to have been organized around two principal themes: (i) Problem Identification describing weaknesses and deficiencies that presently characterize the struggle and which, in your opinion, have been responsible for the movement’s lack of unity/coordination, efficiency and progress, and (ii) Proposed Measures that you believe would remove the identified problems, hence help the struggle re-focus its efforts and boost its momentum.

    In my comment below, I will limit myself to a consideration of just the first theme whose core issue you have framed as follows: In trying to solve problems facing their people, Eritrean elites (including the highly educated among them) do not even know where to start; they try to deal with multiple issues simultaneously; they spend a lot of time engaging in fruitless debates (“they debate hodgepodge”). You then correctly concluded that these weaknesses have further complicated already existing problems.

    I do believe that the weaknesses outlined above and other related problems are all a direct consequence of lack/inadequacy of planning and plan-implementation strategies. I therefore would like to share my ideas on the significance of these two important factors to our “Movement for Democratic Change.”

    A political project, movement, etc. like ours must, of course, be guided by a Plan of Action consisting of: a clear definition of objectives, unambiguous specification of the desired goals (outcomes) and a detailed roadmap outlining actions needed to reach the goals and achieve the objectives. The overall process of implementing the Plan of Action should conceptually keep in sight all aspects of the plan and at all times. But, in the actual, practical implementation of the plan, the specific activity to be undertaken at any given moment during the long process is determined by (a) how far the implementation process has advanced and (b) what circumstances/needs/realities prevail in the country.

    In other words, an implementation process for a political project is a continuum within which several if not all tasks in the Plan of Action are pushed forward, but not all with the same intensity and speed. At any given point in the process, implementation effort may focus largely or overwhelmingly on one or two aspects of the plan as determined by conditions (a) and (b) noted above. Simultaneously, however, some work will have to be done “in the background’, so to speak, on a number of other aspects for which input is low, progress is gradual but continuity is assured. Only an implementation process with such concatenation of tasks/activities is capable of satisfying the critical requirements of continuity, stability, coordination, integration and efficiency of the project, thereby enhancing the chances for its success.

    For political programs, it is unrealistic for an implementation process to try to proceed on the basis of “one-thing-at-a-time” principle. It would not be wise for the process to be one where a single activity is undertaken in a discreet fashion, beginning at a given time and ending at another, to be succeeded by another singular activity of a given duration, and on, and on. Such an implementation strategy would not be able to satisfy the required conditions (listed above) which are so essential in carrying the project to successful completion.

    To illustrate, let me use the “house building” metaphor you cited in your article. The construction process which is guided by the House Plan would early on focus largely on laying the foundation, and would direct most of the attention, time, energy, resources, etc. to it. But even at this early stage, one can devote a little time and effort to evaluating — at a leisurely pace — roofing options, selecting roofing materials, obtaining price quotations, even arranging delivery for the time when the support structures (pillars, frame structures, walls, etc.) will have been put in place (i.e., shell construction will have been completed). If all these roofing-related tasks were to be deferred until all the other parts of the house are built, then (i) completion of the house will be delayed with attendant increase in cost and (ii) structural integrity of the house may be compromised as would happen when, for example, the partially completed structure is flooded by heavy rainfall thereby sustaining weakened foundation and other structural problems.

    I will stop here for now; but if there exists an interest on your part or on the part of other forumers, I would venture to share my views on some of the current problems of the movement and on ways for overcoming some of them.

    Thank you.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Friends,
    I just listened to YG’s paltalk (Part 1). Amazing! It is 10 minutes shy of 2 full hrs. Trust me, you won’t get tired of listening to him. The guy beats himself every time he writes or speaks the truth to its full power.
    Hayat

    • Consolation

      Hayata,

      YG, you are kidding, right? Isn’t he the chap who was begging the Weyane to invade Eritrea? Don’t tell me that he still expects the Weyane will make a comeback? Since the Weayne are dying, |I really where he is hoping the regime changers to come from. Perhaps Turkey?

      • Hayat Adem

        Consolation,
        Listen to what he is saying and tell me back what you found disagreeable in terms of his facts or analysis.You are too lazy to listen to him and digest? No problem: ask me to summerize his major points for you and start commenting from there on. You can’t stand him or his views? Okay, forget him then. He was not meant for the incurious!

      • Paulos

        Selam Consolation,

        So you say the Weyanes are done and over with? In fact, Tigrai is on revival and renewal and the Weyanes are a power to reckon with more than ever. Give these people five years and I promise you, you will see miracles.

        እቲ ዘሕዝን ግን፣ እነዳ ህግደፍ፣ ሓሶት ኣመልኩም ጥራሕ ዘይኮነ ማዓልታዊ ስንቅኹም እዩ።

    • Lamek

      Hayat, I would like to see YG’s perspective on current state of affairs. How do I find the video? Is it a new video or old because when I google, I get super old material.
      thx.

      • Hayat Adem
        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          YG’s explanation is full of dishonesty when he tried to equate “ነጻነት ምስ ሓርነት”:: ሓርነት ዘየብሉ ህዝብስ ነጻ ዝኾነት ሃገር የብሉን ዝብል ሞጎተ ተሰሚዑ አይፈልጥን አይክህልውን ድማ እዩ:: Equally “Sovereign people” and “sovereign land” are two different things. To lumped them together is utterly dishonesty. ዮሴፍ ሚዛን ሰማዕቱ ብዙሕ ይጎድሎ:: He can’t make politics by distorting political terminologies and concepts. So I don’t know what has impressed you.

          Regards

          • Haile WM

            Hello Amanuel,

            this quite interesting actually. Did we fight for NaTsinet (Independece) of for Harinet (Liberation)?

            all of eritrean strugle was for Harinet. ELF, EPLF, PLF etc.. had all in common the word Harinet not natsinet.
            this might seem a rhetorical question but we have to deeply understand our shortcomings of the past 28 years of independence.

            the state of the people is what we all know, the economy has nearly collapsed, the people of the land have left to foreing lands, and those who left during the sixties are still in refugee camps in Sudan 28 years after… yes we are independent…

            natsinet has become a charade for the dictator and the likes of Tiffany Hadish.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Haile-WM,

            You are right it was for “ Natsenet & Harinet”. But, because we failed for bringing “Harinet for the people” we can not deny the “liberation of the land.” That is Natsenet and that is fact on the ground. YG’s argument is simply: if you don’t have Harinet you don’t have Natsenet. That is not true. We have independent country. He is just wasting his time arguing against the aspiration of the people and the cause of their struggle. Other than that, we could bring all kind of critics. I am for it. Our ghedli was full of flaws and is subject to all kind of critics.

            Regards

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Hayat,

          I have not listened it and will do so for my information only.

          But I can tell you, it’s useless. That I think people like him and a lot of Ethiopian elites, specially the TPLF leaders do not seem to understand the world has moved on. It’s not 1890s, there is a United Nations and there were two world wars that set the stage for the world and where it is.

          Eritrea as a sovereign country also needs to be seen from this perspective. No body has the right to unitary redraw the boarder of any country without the consent of the people.

          The lack of freedom in Eritrea today is, just temporary when the regime of Isayas Afeworki is removed. Many others have gone through brutal dictators before us, such as Ethiopia, Sudan and others.

          Berhe

        • Lamek

          Hayat, I knew this was coming so I saved the link for later indulgence.

      • Paulos

        Selam Lamek,

        I listened to most of part one and the reason I did was because Hayata recommended it but I must say that, if you have read his old or previous articles, the same theory is dished out with respect to Eritrea’s historiography and Ghedli in particular.

        His over all take sounds to me too abstract if not what the experts say, “Learned Hopelessness.” Yesterday’s Eritrea is not today’s Eritrea and certainly not tomorrow’s Eritrea. The dynamics, for instance have already changed since last year where the Eritrean people including the youth [yes there are young people in Eritrea—YG’s “Learned Hopelessness” springs from his assumption that there are no young people in Eritrea] have a direct access to what is going on in Diaspora including the Yi’akil movement thanks to TV-Assenna.

        And people across the nation are tuning in to Assenna where ERI-TV is shunned for a good reason. And what is going on in Diaspora is not only exposing the regime all its lies and deception but it is galvanizing the people into action.

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Dear Paulos,

          “ … [yes there are young people in Eritrea—YG’s ‘Learned Hopelessness’ springs from his assumption that there are no young people in Eritrea] …” What a great line imbued with profound meaning and significance that only those endowed with honesty, morality, compassion and rationality can sense and appreciate! Thank you Paulos, for the human integrity reflected in that simple, but awfully powerful statement.

          Last night, a close friend of mine tried to get me to watch Eri-Tv broadcast on my own TV-set and in my own home urging me to momentarily put aside my aversion to that loathsome source of lies and deceit which arrogantly claims itself to be “Serving The Truth” — my friend begged me to do so ‘just this time’ and said “we will only be watching the parade held in Asmara earlier in the day as part of the national commemoration of Independence Day.” She promised me there will be no watching the news, speeches or interviews.

          I reluctantly obliged more out of respect for a dear friend than a conviction I will watch anything worthy of my time. But once we got started, it did not take me long to discovered that I was absolutely wrong on this one. I began to watch things I never expected to see and which, I am sure, the regime’s propaganda machine never wanted (or expected) me and people like me to pay attention to. In the parade that advanced along the main streets of the capital city, youth groups clad in costumes and uniforms of various styles and colors were organized into formations that represented: schools, neighborhoods, sports associations, art groups, representatives of branches of the armed forces, professional groups, community-service clubs, etc, etc. — and segments of the procession were led by marching bands composed of youthful members.

          I was surprised to see, despite the hardships of life in the country, the youth I watched on the screen were physically fit, cheerful and wore smiles and happy demeanor on their faces. They all played their respective roles/parts in the display conscientiously and with discipline. In short, I saw in the youth (as I did in the general public participating in the event) hope, resilience, confidence and determination that life can be made better!

          Thus, I saw in the streets of Asmara the image of the “Future Eritrea” that will offer its people peace, democracy, dignity — not necessarily to a level that would be considered uniquely extraordinary, but to levels that prevail in many decently-democratic countries. But ‘Prophets of Doom’ like YG are incapable of envisioning such an “Eritrea” because they have neither the righteousness nor the goodwill to be able to see the country’s vibrant agents of change that will make it all possible — even when the latter are standing right in front of them! But, for those that are grounded in reality, “yes, there are young people in Eritrea!”

          Thank you.

          • Paulos

            Selam Yohannes and Hayata,

            YG is certainly a very bright guy with great intellect and I admire his courage for standing out alone against a strong conviction shared by multitude. It is not an easy feat one can pull off.

            Over the years, I read his material closely and with great interest and my strong impression is that, he took the Eritrean historiography for a literature and he critiqued it as such. He was wrong!

            As you know, the three main critical approaches to a critical reading of a body of work in literature or a novel are “Psychoanalytic” approach or critique, “Feminist” and “Marxist” and YG employed the former where he mistook the Eritrean people not only for a single person but confused them with static characters limited to space and time.

            For all practical purposes and in real time and space, one can only psychoanalyze a person but one can not psychoanalyze an entire society including the Eritrean people. The Eritrean narrative like any other society is fluid as in yesterday’s Eritrea is not today’s Eritrea and certainly not tomorrow’s Eritrea.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Excellent synopsis on YG’s presentation of Eritrea in one sentence – “…. YG employed the former where he mistook the Eritrean people not only for a single person but confused them with static characters limited to space and time.” The multitude-ness and complexity of Eritrean problems tend to push people towards finding a single or two fundamental causes for all these problems, thus going to the psychanalytic pathway. YG does this for good intent, but is not the first to use that stratagem. Others much powerful than him used it for much more sinister purposes. Many of us have the urge and sometimes employ such techniques, but the more we put multitude of issues in one basket and distance ourselves for clarity of view, the more our view becomes simplistic and perhaps out of touch. Interesting enough such view is somehow the mirror image of the regime’s view of our societies, ሓደ ልቢ፡ ሓደ ህዝቢ, propagandistic and equally simplistic. Therefore, I agree with you Paul, on your general take of YG’s writings.

      • Bahri

        Lamek,
        This YG guy although was born and raised in Eritrea– some of his family members fought for Eritrea’s independence and are bona–fide Eritreans– we have to call a spade is a spade as his enamoretion with Ethiopia and Tigray is no different than Isaias’s. They both long for their Abyssinian ancestry. This is not a hyperbole accusation and his profile should be kept in mind when people bring his name into discussions of Eritrea’s affairs. This is different than PFDJ coolies calling anyone who challenge them as Weyane. YG’s treasonous past claims of “Romanticizing Ghedli” was a red herring fallacy to demoralize Eritreans –given there were problems during the execution of ghedli — Eritrea independence is not a wrong outcome. His so called concerns to Eritrea problems are nothing more than a cheap trick trying to convince the “product” is inferior and you are better off to sale it cheap type lame arguments; similar to Isaias’s attempt to outsource Eritrea to Abiy and company by his recent shameful disposition and acts against the interests of Eritrea.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Bahri,

          I think you covered YG opinion in a much better way than I previously understood what his real intention was. I was turned off from asmarino.com when his articles started to appear and it changed the fight from the dictator and focused to Ghedli. I think the whole discussion was misplaced as you rightly pointed out, the result of Ghedli produced independent Eritrea and what come after is a fight that we all need to engage to make it better.

          No matter how well some parts of our society have done during HS or the Derg, it doesn’t justify that Eritrean parliament (the highest legal entity) has been abolished illegally and as a result, it cause unimaginable harm to Eritrean people in particular and Ethiopian people in general.

          And Ghedli had nothing to do with it, if it wasn’t for HS, Ghedli was not necessary. I just hope he gets to see Eritrea from all Eritreans that are harmed and done wrong.

          Berhe

        • Paulos

          Bahri,

          I must say, at the outset, I got personally swept away with his seemingly incisive and original ideas and of course the timing mattered when all of us were looking for an intellectual breather if you will when we found ourselves suffocated by the unbearable stale of the Eritrean wider discourse.

          He set the tone with his “magnum opus” “Ghedli Romantics” when heretics read him right or wrong and branched off as “Agazians.” In the end, YG became a prisoner of his own over-active imagination and read too much into the Eritrean reality from oceans away.

          To be fair to his scholarship, ShaEbia was and is a monster but his cardinal error rests on his inability to see Ghedli in isolation from ShaEbia where the former is a human cost and the latter is a cartel which lives off the human cost. More over, if the imperatives of Ghedli was a just cause, the final analysis has vindicated it precisely because it has brought about an independent nation. But again, if ShaEbia used the imperatives of independence for its parochial ends, it needs a serious scholarship to see it and critique it as such and obviously YG doesn’t seem to have it even though he pretends to have it armed with polemics and sophism when the true believers take him for a guy with a clear view from up the mountain. He is not!

          An after thought: One wonders if YG would have had the same take on Ghedli if the victor was ELF instead. One wonders!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            When one tried to argue against the aspiration of the people and the cause of the struggle, he is not part of their aspiration. Why do the Eritrean people debate with him for someone who is against their aspiration. We can debate on the flaws of our struggle, the way we handled the internal contradictions and the intervention of foreign forces to our internal matters. But to question the aspiration of the people and the cause of their struggle is an aberration from the psychologically molded societal endeavor. A Very bad position on his side.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I agree to what you said. With regards to your final sentence “One wonders if YG would have had the same take on Ghedli if the victor was ELF instead.”, I think it’s good to imagine if it was ELF instead of EPLF.

            But why we need to imagine when we have another Ghedli history in our neighbor which is TPLF.

            Do you think all the ills that is applied in Eritrea Ghedli can also applied to TPLF Ghedli?

            Hayat this one is for you as well?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            That is actually a smart and tough question. As they say, history depends on the person who writes it even though historians are invariably trained to assess the past objectively and impartially. By the same token, you would get two opposit readings of the nature of TPLF when you take a look at say, John Young’s book, “Peasnat Revolution in Ethiopia” and Aregawi Berhe’s book, “A Political History Of Tigrai People’s Liberation Front.”

            That said however, a Tigrian would be best placed to answer your otherwise insightful question and I would think Fantination can shed some light on it.

            P.S. I wonder why is the Forum serene and peaceful all of a sudden. Hope Blink is on ደብረ-ቢዘን to contemplate and reflect back on his life particularly his life in this Forum for the last four years.

            Do you know what one gets asked by the Warden when one is due for parole? “Are you rehabilitated enough and ready to join society?” And one hopes, Bllink is a new and rehabilitated person and ready to join the Awate Family 😂.

          • Nitricc

            Hayat this one is for you as well?

            Hi Berhe; are you implying that Hayat is a Tigryan from Adi-Grat. lol I didn’t know you had it in you.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            No I am not implying that at all. You know I am slow.

            I asked her because based on her comments:

            1) she has been an admirer of YG Eritrean Ghedi bashing attitudes including the link she provided. I listened a quarter of it and it’s enough.
            2) She is an admirer of TPLF and what their Ghedli has achieved.

            So I want her opinion on that.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            You know I am slow.

            Hi Berhe; Not any more. lol you catching up real nicely. hahahahaha.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            What happens in Ethiopia is their own problem and I really have nothing to say. Let them figure out themselves what’s best for them, and I don’t lose sleep over it. What I care is about Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi Paul: This is not a rebut of your mixed bag comment
            About the ELF question and YG, I think it would depend on what ELF would have accomplished/done post indep. YG was a supporter of the Eri Ghedli but as any person with brains would do, he saw cost of ghedli vs accomplishment and from there he asked, “was it worth it’ and he kept asking questions. And because he was courageous he said it publicly but independence (read, removing Dergi and supplanting it with even more cruel regime) was not the goal of ghedli. Though democracy was not the main pre-occupation of the tegadali, dignity was, the cardinal sacred notion that propelled the ghedli. So he deduced that was not worth it. Now the comparison the TPLF is fallacious: they have accomplished what they set out to do, they have lifted their people from a century old servitude you may say they gained their dignity back, what they do with it in the future is anyone’s guess Though the founding rational for ghedli was valid, the process it followed, and especially with IA and EPLF and after the independence was untenable. Eritreans have gotten nothing from this ghedli except a flag of IA’s liking and UN. membership. Basically the Ghedli was fought to make IA president and if his son takes power then ghedli was fought to establish the dynasty of IA Those who get antsy about YG insulting this or that of ghedli, I say to them that man up, if ghedli leaders did what ever they did in our names and they tell us that they were tenacious, then they should be able to stand YG’s criticism. I have not listened to his new one, but I think Eri will be better off if there were a few like YG during ghedli, our doctors an phd’s were tripping over themselves to get IA’’s approval, YG is the antidote of the braining washing that kills brain sells. We can debate about his facts but his basic theme and attuned to deromanticize is breath of fresh air.

          • Paulos

            Caro Semerile,

            The Eritrean story is not over as the American story towards a perfect union is far from the finish-line or Canada’s complete political unity between the Anglophone, Francophone and the Nations of the Indigenous communities is still work in progress.

            The fundamental question we need to ask is that, was the struggle for independence just? The answer is absolutely for there was no way around it when the King abrogated the Federal arrangement in violation of the Eritrean people’s aspirations.

            Now, on public trial is not the cause and certainly not the common people who paid the ultimate price to make independence happen but the power be who betrayed the dreams and aspirations of those who paid dearly for their dream was not only Eritrean independence but the Eritrean story to continue as well.

            Isaias’ tyranny is a blip or a bump on the long road ahead to finish the Eritrean story, that said however, to tell a mother who gave up her four sons that their sacrifice was in vain is a crime but to work harder to make their sacrifice worthwhile is courage. And YG belongs to the former and certainly not to the latter. What he says is a self-defeat cowardice far from courage.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            YG, you and the people who admire have nothing to contribute to solve the problem at hand but good at remanticizing at blaming Ghedli.

            If you are Jew, you never ask if having ghedi is worth it or not. A million times it’s worth it to have a country you call your own and you work hard to make it bette.

            You should ask the Palestinians if they do anything to have a country, their own boarders and their own flags at the UN. I am sure they will die to have instead of living under subhuman condition under the Israeli occupation.

            All it takes s a bullet to finish IA and 80% of our people is done. So we have a dictator at home, well we have to pay the price to remove him. Ghedli was not to make IA president, it was to make Eritrea a sovereign nation and it has achieved its goal.

            Russian revolution created Stalin, French Revolution created Napolion, South Africa, American Revolution created Washington, Chinese revolution created Mao, Cuban revolution created Castro, Tigray revolution created Melles, Rwanda revolution created Kegame, and Ethiopian revolution, Zimbabwe revolution created a Mugabe, N. Korean revolution created Kim, recreated Mengistu and many, many similar examples….

            Some are lucky and they got good leaders who turned their society and country around (such as America, S. Africa, Rewanda (at least so far), and others created autocratic dictators once they come to power they stayed until removed (such as China, Cuba, N. Korea).

            Eritrean revolution not any different than any other, it did what it set out to achieve, Isayas could have transitioned the country peacefully to democratic one.

            What I get irritated the most is, what option do we really have NOW? How does this help our people dying in the deserts? Are we suppose to go to Ethiopia and beg them to take us back. Dear Ethiopians, we made a terrible mistake please take us back and we will obey everything that you asked. We will learn your language, we will sing your songs, we will praise your god, and all you have to do is come and rule us for ever and ever. Is this the option that he suggesting.

            Or we have a dictator at hand who has turned our dreams upside down and fight to remove him and restore dignity to our people?

            Which option is the most practical and most meaningful?

            And Eritreans did ask, and planned what future they wanted to have. I remember reading Sagem from 1990 edition, at your place, where the people asked IA what future they want to have as a country.

            Everything was asked, from democracy, to multiparty, to free market economy, to constitutional government, and he answered all it correctly, he was dancing to the tune. What are people suppose to do, I don’t trust you????

            Haven’t you read the EPLF congress of 1987, multi party democratic country is what they set out to achieve.

            But YG is not honest, all his focus right now is to sell us his product, which is

            Ghedli is the problem in the first place
            It was not worth it
            And there is no hope for Eritrea
            You are better give up and submit yourself to the Ethiopian empire

            Useless, totally useless waste of time.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            ኣድራሻ ሃጺጽኪ በርሂኖ ዓርከይ።

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulino,

            Go Raptors Go! Time to cheer up.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            Am super happy for that ከውሒ dude. It is amazing they got this far and of course Golden State will be a challenge provided they make it to the finals. I am sure they will for they have home advantage on Saturday. Best of luck!

          • iSem

            Hi BY: “YG, you and the people who admire have nothing to contribute to solve the problem at hand but good at remanticizing at blaming Ghedli.”
            For that because we the useless are differing to those who have briliant solution to our problem, we just romantiize
            the rest of your comment is so incisive, so deep that it is beyond by pay grade. If I negotiate good prize from SGJ I will reply

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            The city is on fire. I never seen the Raptors defend these well. Kawhi is unbelievable. It feels like when the jays won the World Series.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Paulo:
            grazie mille for engaging. and challenging my ideas. Keep it up

          • Senay Zer

            Dear iSem — Ghedli was not our parent’s choice (they started it only after HS came after whatever little self-governance and freedom they had). The protracted and wretched nature of our ghedli was also not our parent’s choice. Clearly, we couldn’t overcome the trauma and adverse effects of such brutal ghedli. So, we have got work to do and we will get there. But, I think, people become upset at YG not because of his criticism but because he does try to portray our ghedli (which, remind you, was forced on us….and was made unnecessarily long and difficult for us) uniquely evil in the history of the world. He also gives the impression that he wants us to to shrink into non-existence with shame and incessant self-flagellation for not successfully transitioning from a truly brutal and traumatic event into flourishing democracy. Really uncalled for. Speaking of manning (not my preferred term, but since you used it….) up, would YG take the courage to revisit his theories and predictions in light of what happened in the past 1 year? A lot has transpired in the last year that show his unfair assessments regarding Eritrea and Eritreans people.

          • iSem

            Hi Senay:
            First thank you for this elevated comment. And I agree with everything u said.
            About YG, manning up, I have no idea, I do not know him, never talked to him etc
            I have not listened what he said lately, but from before, despite not been sensitive to some raw emotions and some lack of facts like awate was a bandit (a pfdj line by the way), by in large, his critical thinking is beneficial and cure for the brain cell killing gheli.
            Problem is some people think ghedli belongs tome more like PFDJ supporters think Eri and independence belongs to them, Those who try to cow ghedli critics are wrong and the harshest ghedli critics are the children of the ghedli people, telling their parents is this what you wasted your youth for. Many ppl who lump ghedli critics with ethiopian empire for the most part they have no clue and they have not talked to tegadelti in real life and not studied it
            Look Ghedli destroyed more than it built and that is what ppl are saying, they are not saying let us bring Ethiopian rule, I have yet to meet an eri who loved ethio rule. But ppl jump up and down to bring ethiopian rule to the discussion.Irrelevant, Harsh ghedli critics has nothing to do with ethiopia, again for the most part
            The fruit of ghedli is IA dynasti and for ppl who paid so dearly this is shame, one president for 30 years, it was not its intention, it goal but that was the product and we are debating that. No one should pontificate about the purity of ghedli origin because every eritrean paid for it in some fashion.

          • Senay Zer

            Dear iSem — Let me first disagree with your comment that ‘the fruit of ghedli is IA dynasty’. PIA is the result of our failed attempt to move from ghedli to a normal country. Had we stayed the ghedli course, we wouldn’t have PIA, although I am not sure we would be in any better situation. The fruit of ghedli is independent Eritrea and a chance at self-governance that we squandered badly. In any case, let me give you some example of the comments YG previously made that, in light of what happened in the past 1 or 2 years, look utterly ridiculous. 1) YG’s central theory is that Eritrean ghedli and Eritrean identity emanate from hatred of Ethiopia and Ethiopians. This is such a disappointing theory to begin with but the way Eritrean welcomed PM Abiy, his delegation and what they represent (i.e., Ethiopia and Ethiopian people), with graciousness and good faith, should totally dismal that theory.
            Related to that, and I have zero pleasure in saying this , but the various
            fault lines in Ethiopian societies showed us that they probably hate
            each other way more than Eritreans hate any of them. YG should revisit his theory and if noble enough apologize to the people of Eritrea. 2) After PM Abiy’s visit to Eritrea, instead of revisiting his theory, he simply moved on and made another prediction – which, again, appears to depend on his rather cynic view of Eritreans society. He predicted that Eritrea will open only the Burei border and never open any of the border with Tigray. Of course, this turn out to be false and to the best of my knowledge YG hasn’t addressed his prediction and more importantly, the reason behind his prediction. 3) Immediately after the Forto incident, his re-posted one his articles about how Eritrean army officials and how he predicted the generals and colonels are more likely to remove PIA because they see him as liability and not because to save the country and the people. Of course, this could partially be true about some generals and colonels, but it clearly was not the case about Wedi Ali and co. He never revisited his prediction after we learned the details of the Forto incident. 4) YG and many others pretend to care about the relation between Eritrean and Tigray Tigrinya. However, they are so blinded by their non-generous view of the Eritrean society, they never point finger at the main culprit – TPLF, that blocked the Tigrinya in both countries from having any meaningful interaction in the past 20 years, created a very negative precedent and worse has created a temple for how to dismantle conventions and agreements that are central to peaceful co-existence of societies. I could go on…but I think these are good enough for now, and I think these are some of the reasons why so many Eritreans push back against his comments.

          • Selam Senay Zere,

            First, I wish all eritreans a happy Independence Day.
            Now, what if we do not generalize and instead we say that eritrean elites hated ethiopia and ethiopians and not the ordinary eritreans, and that that first shot was not as the result of love but as that of hate, at the time when hundreds of thousands of eritreans were living a decent and respectful life in the center of ethiopia? Once the machine of destruction was set in motion, the result was a cycle of hate begetting revenge, thus ending up into a never ending vicious circle.

            Ordinary eritreans never hated ethiopians and the vise versa. This was true in the past, true today and will be true in the future. The hate is owned exclusively by the elites. The historic welcome bequeathed to the ethiopian pm and the eritrean president, respectively, came from the ordinary eritreans and ethiopians and not from the elites, who opposed and demonized the visit and everything that went with it (example, the agreements) right away, especially in the eritrean case.

            The different fault lines and the consequences we see today in the ethiopian societies are the work of ethiopian elites and not that of the ordinary ethiopians, because ethiopian social groups do not hate each other, and they have succeeded to live together for centuries. These social groups could live in peace and harmony with eritreans even during the three decades of ghedli as their children were dying in the war of the elites, let alone between themselves.

            In addition, the ownership of the land of eritrea was in the hands of eritreans and never in the hands of ethiopians, and as we all know, there were no ethiopians who came to eritrea, seized eritrean land and displaced the people as colonizers, the title given to ethiopians, while at the same time eritreans had the right to own land all over ethiopia.

            Therefore, the elites started the revolution for the sake of political power and not for the land. The land was always there owned by eritreans. That is the main reason independence did not bring freedom, for political power was the ultimate goal. It was the reason eplf and elf carried out a fratricidal war when they were in the field. Moreover, it is known that it is at the sharing that things go wrong, especially when the one says that he wants power solely for himself, and when the job is done, the one turns around and says that he has paid much more price than the other to bring the final result, and therefore he is the sole owner of power. The love for political power may bring independence, but it does not bring freedom. That is what we saw in eritrea.

          • Peace!

            Hi Horizon,

            The best weapon for convincing people is EVIDENCE. You offered not a single evidence to support your claim that “the elites started the revolution for the sake of political power and not for the land.” I won’t bore you with facts why Eritreans had to pick up arms and defend their people and country rather let me try to simplify for you: if Horizon thinks TPLF is too brutal for Ethiopian people, then one may easily conclude that Ethiopians under TPLF were in a better situation than Eritreans unders Haile Sellassie. I am very critical of TPLF but I must say this the TPLF you are bashing day-in day-out didn’t burn Ethiopian villages and try to colonize a sovereign country.

            The other claim that you failed to substantiate with evidence is ordinary Eritreans like to be with Ethiopia. I can simply say you are not following the situation closely and ask you a very simple question: why do you think DIA is facing strong opposition now, but not in the last twenty-eight years?

            Peace!

          • Millennium

            Hi Peace:

            I think you will agree with me when I say that the one thing that is positive about the current Yiakil movement is that it made it manifestly clear for anyone that Eritreans’ nationalism is still intact. It looks people are opposing the perceived luck of nationalism on the part of the government.

            I know you will not agree with this though: this is only a perception and will be proven wrong because I believe those in power in Eritrea are more nationalists than the prominent leaders in the opposition and that was made clear to anyone when those elements were practically beginning the weyanes to invade their own country. It looked those people’s overriding objective was POWER, even at the risk of the total destruction of the country

            Millennium

          • Peace!

            Hi Millennium,

            Yes I agree, Eritreans’ nationalism is still in tact. But as for the rest of your comment, of course I disagree. Who do you think is responsible for the country’s ongoing misery?

            Peace!

          • Senay Zer

            Dear Horizon — Thanks for the independence day wishes. Now, you started by stating that we need to avoid generalization and then went on to make generalizations of all kind. Just about every sentence you wrote is a generalization. Take up your own advice and clean up your comments.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            I agree with the other responses you received. Your assertion is not true. Remember Ethiopia and Eritrea were a federation and in that case movements and the like is normal. But since 1962 It was an occupation. There might not be physical occupation but mental and emotional occupation are things we suffer from to this day. If you doubt the occupation didn’t displace people, a visit to the refugee camps in Sudan and the presence of hundreds of thousand living in there since the sixties can give you an idea.

            The elite didn’t start the fight for ulterior motives but as a reaction to Haileselassie’s violation. But unfortunately the struggle was defaced by another Ethiophile, Isaias Afwerki and his clique and it is that clique that can only survive in confrontations and enmity. The rest of Eritreans aspire for the day when we can all live in peace without your leaders helping our tormentor and some of your elite subjecting us to the never-ending threat of reoccupation and other psychological aggression.

            We consider Ethiopia just like the rest of our neighbors, nothing more. And we wish to coexist with all of them in peace. But some of your elite and fascists (we also have them) think Ethiopia has a divine mandate to rule us. And that is what is standing in the way of a normal relation—including lack of citizen right where we lag behind.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            some members of eri parliament also responsible for the aborgation of the federation, they r the one insisted for the abolition of the federation and full unity.
            And eritrean armed struggle started 1961 but the federation abolished 1962.
            anyways it been 28 years since eri independence, it just irrelevant to talk about it,.

          • Hi Tedros,
            It’s not irrelevant at all. There is ample evidence that the past never left us, otherwise it wouldn’t pop up repeatedly. The present is a product of the pesent and it will be in the future. If you ignore the past, there is no future. Some people think if they discard the past, the can start from a clean slate. Society evolves, politics is a ontinual process of any society. Yourself mentioned “28 years since independence”. Remember that is also in the past, it is history but we are still suffering from it. You cannot disconnect history but learn from it. Some learn too much from it, other ignore it and increase the pain.

            As for the parliament being part of it, you should remember what the situation was at the time–they faced guns over their heads, hand wrangling, religious blackmail and social ostracizing. This is what I wrote a few years ago, they could explain what happened at the parliament. More of red tears from 2009

            http://awate.com/major-dawit-woldegiorgis-more-of-red-tears/

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tedros,
            It’s not irrelevant at all. There is ample evidence that the past never left us, otherwise it wouldn’t pop up repeatedly. The present is a product of the pesent and it will be in the future. If you ignore the past, there is no future. Some people think if they discard the past, the can start from a clean slate. Society evolves, politics is a ontinual process of any society. Yourself mentioned “28 years since independence”. Remember that is also in the past, it is history but we are still suffering from it. You cannot disconnect history but learn from it. Some learn too much from it, other ignore it and increase the pain.

            As for the parliament being part of it, you should remember what the situation was at the time–they faced guns over their heads, hand wrangling, religious blackmail and social ostracizing. This is what I wrote a few years ago, they could explain what happened at the parliament. More of red tears from 2009

            http://awate.com/major-dawit-woldegiorgis-more-of-red-tears/

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam.Saleh Johar
            What am saying is eritrean independence has already achieved , if eri was still under ethiopia rule, yes u can make the above point of argument, but right now, after 28 years of independence, what is the point of the argument ? unless to convince YG kinds of eritreans who don’t believe in gadli. and also remember the final eritrea secession was done by referendum. u know what that means?
            and there were a lot of eritreans in ethiopia military, civil service, in the gov positions, who owns land , business and so on, i don’t think they did it because they faced guns over their heads, or by blackmailing. but i don’t say there wasn’t opportunist people at the time .

          • Saleh Johar

            I Agree with you Tedros, but for years we said it is a fait-acompli and ignored it. We were wrong because we stopped before we end the twisted narrations at our own peril. That is why it came up forcefully. That is why we shouldn’t let go of it until that kind of aggressive posture is not stopped for goo. I might be wrong, but I operate on that premise. The group will not be convinced and we should not be caught off guard.

            Please read my comment in the context of Horizon’s comment. If you stretch it beyond that, I know it doesn’t make any sense. But as far as coexistent and have a normal, peaceful relations with Ethiopia–I do not accept anyone preaching that tome. I fought for it and paid dearly–it is all in the records.

            Thank you

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            When a people whose life is the farm and the church, they have no choice. The church did blackmail Eritreans–anyone who was against the Unionist party was excommunicated. I know families whose children were not baptized for being ardent Independentists. And the heavy armed presence in the parliament during voting, was not to entertain the parliamentarians with a marching parade.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            blackmailing is a common method used in undemocratic poltics and sometimes in democratic poltics to win people vote and support, all the political parties of eri and ethio used it as a common practice even today they used it.
            but my point is what about when they hold gov postion as ethiopians. when they own land inside ethiopia as citizens of ethiopia, r they blackmailed, i mean when there is power shift, blame it on blackmailing is cowardice and i think that was the main problems of ethiopia and eritrea at the time, coward behavior.
            but according to the law what matter is the written evidence, not the flip flopping according to the situation.
            but i know blackmailing exist than and i know it exist now.

          • Millennium

            Hi Horizon:

            my understanding about the Ethio-Eri case is similar to yours with a small caveat; I believe it is the Ethiopian elites expansionist tendencies that created the whole problem. I do not believe the ordinary Djiboutian also hates the ordinary Ethiopian, but that love should not be mischaracterized to serve a political cause. When you try to deliberately use others’ innocent and spontaneous show of love for a political end, you must understand you are only harming that innocence. Your only achievement with such an attitude is to push the other and make them think twice lest their open expression of love is misunderstood.

            I think you are not making any effort to have a look at the whole historical even from the point of view of an Eritrean. Try that for a change; I believe such a realization is only possible if you try, on your own accord, to put yourself in our shoes; I believe cajoling you to exercise empathy will be more effective to make you see my point than if I write volumes on the topic

            So yes, I believe the ordinary Ethiopian will never go to that end and cause such immense problem in an effort to appropriate what does not belong to him. When you think about this issue, remember it was not the Eritrean who abused the presumed love between the two people, it was always the other way. Through out history, right to this date, Eritrea always assumed defensive position

            Millennium

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Paul,
            YG would have said the same, me thinks, if ELF was the victor. I think he has similar views on TPLF as well, save the contextual difference.
            Paul, I would say his views of ghedli as one political ecosystem and treating as such was his strength. He is not about the actors. That is why he also bundles the opposition in the same category where always anything starts with a wrong departure.

        • Hayat Adem

          Bahri,
          What is treasonous about thinking freely, imaginatively and critically; and then telling them?

    • Peace!

      Hi Hayat,

      Just curious what do you think of Y’AKel ይኣክል campaign?

      Peace!

      • Hayat Adem

        Peace,
        I am for it. ይኣክል!

    • Millennium

      HI Hayat:

      I don’t understand your fascination with YG; this guy has a knack for mystifying simple concepts; he manages to make some of his ideas and opinions appear more nuanced than they are. What ever he is saying now is not new but somehow manages to make them appear as original …I am assuming that must be the case giving the number of people that are enamoured with what his says

      Millennium

  • Dear Blink,
    You have been banned twice and you were told to sober up and return if you wished. You did, but you kept your abusive manners. Your disrupting behavior has become extremely intolerable and you have abused almost everyone who doesn’t agree with you. Being banned twice, as you know, means you have consumed your warning limit and you remain with one final chance to change your attitude. If you are here to saw discord, disrespect. and abuse forum members, that will not be tolerated anymore.

    As of today, kindly stop posting until June 4, 2019. We believe a two week hiatus is enough to for you to reflect on your behavior. On June 4th, if you decide to continue the way you have been, please stay away on your own. But if you decide to be considerate and respect the forum and its members, and stop threatening people, you are most welcome//Moderator].

  • Gerogee

    Dear All

    I see the Legacy crowd is panicking. Exposed to the bone, have resorted to it true nature, DICTATORSHIP! That is yr true nature anyway. You were faking it all this time…anyhow, in a spirit of kindness, I have listened some of the characteristics of a PFJD operative

    1. He/she defends PIA at all cost.

    2. He/she is bad speller (non speller)

    3. Horrible sentence structure

    4. Bad grammar.

    5. Uses a lot of adjectives.

    Whenever you noticed above listed, just skip. Do not respond.

    • Freaulai

      she be Tiffany lulululu

  • Haile S.

    Selam Ibrahim Tada,
    Your valuable post has been hijacked by the ongoing discussions. I apologize for my contribution to it.

    በዚ ዝስዕብ ምስላ ዝተላዕለ ዕላልል ሰበብን።
    “ኣብ ዘይ-መንጠቢትክን ኣይተእትዋ ኢድክን”

    – ናይ መን መንጠቢት’ዩ ዝዝረበሉ ዘሎ
    – ንምንታይ ተመሪጹ ልዕሊ ሻንኬሎ
    – ክትማስዩ ደሊኹም ሃዳድም ጭዓሎ
    – ዓዲ እተን ሰራሕቲ ዕትሮ እተን ውሓሎ?

    ኣንታ ወደሺ ዋላ ሻንኬሎ ንበሎ
    እንታይ ኣኼደካ ናብ ተንኮል ጸለሎ

    – መንጠቢት ትብሉ እንታይ ኮይኑ ሻንኬሎ
    – ዓዲ ትንዕቁ ዘይብልኩም ካንሸሎ
    – ከምኡ ምስላ ኣብምንችት እኳ ዘየሎ

    ሕራይ ይኹነልካ “ያለ ምንችትክን ኣታግቡ ኢድክን”

    – ክትጻወተለይ፡ ኣምሓርኛ ዘይፈልጥ መሲሉካ
    – ካልእ እፈልጥ ሽጣራ ግደፎ እዚ ናትካ
    – ትግርኛ ተዛረብ ዓረብኛ ገዲፍካ

    እንታይ ኣምጽኦ ዓረብኛ ኣብዚ ዘረባ
    ኣነ እኮ ጠፊኡኒ ናትካ ዛዕባ
    ንምዃኑ ትግርኛ ዓረብኛ ይዓሸኽ ኩሉ ሓባ

    – እንታይ ድዩ ዘሎ ዘዛርበኒ
    – ክሓስቦ ከለኹ ዘሰቅቐኒ
    – ክሰምዖ ከለኹ እዝነይ ዝልኩተኒ
    – ጠጠው ካይብል ዘርዕደኒ
    – ጽባሕ ብኣዋጅ ዓረብ ኢኻ ካይትብሉኒ

    እህም እዚኣ ድያ እዛ መርዘንካ
    ዝተመሰለት ምስላ ተመራምረካ
    ካብ መንጠቢት ናብ ቋንቋ ትጠዋውየካ
    በል ሕጂ’ውን ኣውጽኣያ ኢድካ
    ካብ ዘይናትካ ካብ ዘይመንጠቢትካ
    ማንም የለን ዓረብ ዝበለካ ዳግም ዘጠምቐካ
    ብድልየት ኮነ ብልምዲ ዓረብኛ ዝዛረቡ ኣለዉ ኣሕዋትካ
    መሰሎም ጥራይ ሓልዎሎም የለን ዝተናኽፈካ
    ናብ መጥቃዕቲ ምልዋጥ ግደፎ ኩሉ’ቲ ፍርሃትካ

  • Haile S.

    Selam Peace, Haile WH and all,

    Thank you all for your understanding.
    Haile WH, I understand you when you say ignore them. It is a fine line that we are getting confined to by these masked bullies. The playing field of free expression is being taken hostage by those who bestow upon themselves an absolute power through the spiny dark crown they cover themselves. It is not a question of identifying them by name as ultimately they give tids and bits of themselves, but what bury’s and covers their masks, their ugly objectives to silence everyone and perhaps something beyond. That ugliness is proportional to the power they feel possessing in that darkness. They think, but they are not sentinels that detect social ills, but they are there to spew their deadly (they think) poison at an opportune time. They are in their self-imposed nutshell, they will stay there. There is no reason why we would stop our exchanges of ideas because of these masked bullies

  • Peace!

    Hi Haile S and all,

    I really admire your calmness and remain respectful against the well-known notorious abuser of this forum. I think the abuse, the insults, and the rudeness have now reached to the point where Awate Team has to explain why it continues to allow a person who stands against everything this website stands to contaminate this great forum with bigotry despite countless warnings and suspensions.

    Peace!

    • Haile WM

      hello Peace!,
      Some people are here to distract the main issue at hand. I would advice you, Haile S. and all other to just ignore them. they are stooges with an aim, we have our aim and lets fucus.

    • Blink

      Dear peace
      Mention one thing that I abuse this forum , you just are being a supporter of the majority for the sake of it . Quote one line that I insulted a specific person or group in this forum yes except the Habesha and religion thing in which I totally stopped . Other things , well I just quote them , What I did was simply bringing the subtle attack these people said in to for-front . I and you read the post guidelines and pls quote me one line that I insulted Haile or any one in this forum . You know I don’t need to be here for you and I certainly don’t need to be here to clap for others . Awatecom has the right to accept or ban anyone , you guys simply don’t understand the difference between quoting and insulting someone .

      Many people begged this site to bann me for no reason ,but they don’t have a single sentence that I wrote as personal insult or racist comments towards any member in this forum. I don’t also believe attacking a single society in this forum is an issue at hand .

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Blink,

        You say “What I did was simply bringing the subtle [emphasis in mine] attack these people said in to for-front.” (!) No dear, you have already ensnared yourself in a web. You have been given a challenge with a deal – apology on my side, and voluntary exit from this forum on yours. Failure to respond with what you have alleged – insulting our compatriots in Kebessa – may bring with it consequences. You have threatened to report decent people who express their views here to social media outlets. You should not take things as business as usual. Campaign against your presence in this forum would be legitimate if you are going to act as you said and gather information for wicked ends.

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Dear Ibrahim Tada,

    Thank you for gracing Awate forum with an interesting and timely article which, I believe, is intended to serve two useful purposes: (i) to share with forumers your views on how to make the struggle for democratic change in Eritrea more efficient and effective, and (ii) to draw the attention of the readership to some of the factors that are undermining the Movement for Change and hampering its progress. I also believe that, implicit in the article’s message, is the desire to remind us of our responsibility as citizens to contribute to the efforts of the movement, and of the need to improve and upgrade our political views and perspectives in order to be able to make such contributions.

    At a time when the state of our country has become more troubling than at any other time this century, social and political issues that must be discussed and debated in search of solutions to the plight of our people are being ignored. Instead, discussions are allowed (and sometimes deliberately forced) to drift to matters that are totally unrelated to the themes of posted articles and the issues/questions they raise. It is particularly sad to see so much time and consensus-building opportunity being squandered in the exercise, by some, of slandering, belittling, accusing and “criminalizing” others for simply expressing their views.

    Most of these despicable actions are being perpetrated by cheap ‘agents provocateur’ of the regime who are paid to derail, disrupt and sabotage serious political discourse/debate among Eritreans with the objective of starving the “Movement for Change” of support, participation, solidarity, new ideas, commitment and dedication. Unfortunately, instead of taking control of the situation and defining the direction of the debate, many of us seem to fall into the trap and essentially do their bidding — albeit inadvertently — by engaging them in the lowly exchanges they seem to excel in.

    This is a time when we are all being called upon to remain true to our convictions and principles. We are being challenged to summon our willpower and sense of duty to reject the present state of affairs; to resolve to do our part in taking back our forum by simply refusing to be dragged into the gutter by those who thrive in it!

    Thank you

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awate readers,
    What is written below by Blink is a total re-fabrication and twisting of what has been said about the caricatural representation of people in movies and theatres by collating and using words from my sentences. The below words and sentences written by Blink belong to him. I never said what he wrote I said. This is below dishonesty. Read my original comment please.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile S.,

      Outrage mongering seems to have become a habit. Some like the one you are dealing with cannot present anything or express themselves without resorting to outrage. It is just an addiction – like you add salt to food. You think of flavour before its value for organs. No sentence or phrase makes sense to them without outrage added. Their mind set is set on one metter band. No intensity of counselling and advice can change them – just like an addict who would appear listening but the minute feeling of need ensues, everything evaporates and the old habit return with intense urge. How often have read the poor Saleh advising, and saay7 helping? So, you will have to bear with outrage as long as this web site is committed to inform, inspire and embolden – hoping embolden would be abused for outrage mongering.

      • Blink

        Dear Ismail
        It is totally a fair game to quote someone and it is not a threat, this is strictly business of all Eritreans to be aware the game played by stereotyping a single Eritrean society. I have quoted from your own comments many times , I still can copy paste it to you but since you know it I don’t really consider any of it to be important.

        Media outlets especially these outlets where Eritreans follow by thousands is not the old type , almost over 2000 young Eritreans are currently participating in one person account and you know this accusation against Tigrinja don’t benefit anyone who aspires to get justice in Eritrea but it will play in an intended role . So my question for you , why are you guys not taking your views seriously. You I can do this without participating in awate forum , I started to comment in this forum before 3 or 4 years ( I have to check my saved time line) but I am here in this site over 12 years , I am not new in this like the way you accuse me “ committed PFDJ supporter “ . No one is here to give lesson or certificate about who oppose and support. You are trying to band with totally different way and I don’t think you take people as your students too.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam blink,

          One more time. I challenge you to repost your claim without any tampering. Then, we will counter-check what you produce with what the archive will show, and Saleh Johar will be requested to verify your quotations.

          If what I ever wrote or said in life will be judged as you allege, I owe the Tigrinya speaking forumers a sincere apology. If you will be proven wrong, you will volunteer to never show up in this forum again, and give break to people here. I am challenging you for a second time. This time with full identification: name and picture. Can you respond and you come out of steel hard shell? Name without picture will do. Thank you in advance for being brave.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Are you really expecting him to face the challenge? No Ismailo. A coward can not come with his real name and his pic. He will denigrate everyone on his way as far as the team let him to do whatever he is doing. I guess “bigotry” is part of free speech in this forum,

          • Blink

            Dear Mr Ismail
            The quote I mentioned from you was the comment you made to MS on May 5 and here it is , you said

            1.”By the way, among some of our social and cultural milieu there are lots of such adages. ‘ዝበረቀ ጸሓይና ዝነገሰ ንጉስና’ is one which is an entrenched attitude of not questioning hierarchy once imposed. The wisdom is since there is nothing they can do, better to fatalistcally succumb to it.”

            2. on other day you put it ካብ ዘይትፈልጦ መልኣክ ሲ ትፈልጦ ሸይጣን in a reply to Alex ,

            remind you this two quote was made in reference to culture in some of our society Don’t try to give any explanation about because that is your opinion and people has the right to disagree with your opinion and this discussion about your opinion shouldn’t and mustn’t push you to ask people show up with their picture or ban them , no sir this site and forum are equally accessible to Everyone even these you disagree. I never insult or abuse anyone and I respect the posting guidelines more than some of your groups .

            Now as illiterate as I am , I can see any lay man below any level can pin point who this social group is intended for and pls don’t assume people don’t read this forum because many people do read every single comment made by anyone and don’t assume they don’t know the subtle stereotyping because they do .

            You don’t need my name or picture as far as the guidelines of this forum protect open views for almost 2 decades ,I don’t believe it will fall to your call of banning people after decades of hard fights bigger than my disagreement with anyone in this forum . I am not new reader of awate , I grow up with it .

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Blink,

            1. ‘” ዝበረቀ ጸሓይና ዝነገሰ ንጉስና'”

            2. ‘” ዘይትፈልጦ መልኣክ ሲ ትፈልጦ ሸይጣን'”.

            Fine, let us wait how forumers are going to judge these two widely used common folk adages measure up to insulting as you alleged. I do not want to comment and preempt their judgement. Meantime, the deal I had offered to you stands. The issue here is not your whimsical interpretation. The issue is how quoting popular saying becomes an insult.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam ismail
            bigot definition- a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions( religion, race, language…..), that is the real meaning of bigot.and u and tesfai gbereEbaba r eritreans, not ethiopian. let ethiopians speak for themselves, not only they can defend thier right but they can stand for others too.

          • Blink

            Dear Ismail
            You must repost the full context of the two proverbs you used and to what end . You have to bring the original one because I don’t believe you count your fees on the upvotes you can get and I don’t believe you will think you will be judged by the upvotes of your buddies . And I don’t believe you can think people are less intelligent than you and they can not see what you mean in your comments.
            How many upvotes will you get if you go on other media and put your orginal posts up to task and speak them in Tigrinja language, context matters and in this specific two proverbs the context you tried is the one in debate .Popular , how popular to subjugate a single society in such way as a dictatorial entrenched in to them culturally?
            What deal are you saying ? The name and the picture? Come on , just stop calling help to ban me from this forum .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            I am not sure what is your goal here but many people, including myself have used the two adages repeatedly. Are you trying to stop others from using them because they make you uncomfortable? Nope dear, that is not the reason why you are all up in arms. I suggest you stop threatening unless you are in this forum with a mission.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            He became the subject of a debate. What else does he want more than that, this bigot? Unfortunately, he is successful with his mission.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman H. and others,

            Sorry, I now understood the poor God’s creatures is irredeemably sick. I broke my own rule of ignoring such individuals. I was just trying to help myself in case I might have made an error of the sort he has been alleging. I knew, as a meticulous info gatherer he had told us to be, he would have an elaborate archive of what anti-regime forumers have been posting, and from which he would fish out what he had been alleging . He came out empty handed.

            Now, we have seen him naked; he is just the same as a spy who walks with a kind of recorder that picks anything without his endowed faculty interfering to separate the usefuls from disposables. He will be a burden to the forum, and an impaired murmuring creature to me and many others. I am resuming my policy of ignoring him and a few of his kind.

            So, thank you Blink for the service. You had helped me perfectly to have my conscience cleared of a terrible error I could have ever made in life – insulting a socio-cultural community with whose members I had, and still do, much to share beyond geography as myself a proud highlander, too.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            I remember Ambassador Haile Menkerios had accused me as wayane in a public meeting and run away, when I tried to challenge him. Three months later, right after he left the government, the regime also did accuse him of collaborating with Wayne and thus he has conspired against the state of Eritrea. ኣቦታትና እንታይ ይምስሉ ነዚ ከምዚ ዝአመሰለ ኩነታት ክሪኡ ከለው “ኢድ ሸናሒት ጸናሒት”:: Therefore, for all the blackmailers, they will be in turn blackmailed by the same regime they are serving. We have seen it many times.That is why behind nicknames.

            Ismailo, keep standing up by your principles advocating for justice, and history will absolve as such. After all when we joined the struggle, it was for history making. We have still unfinished task and we will keep moving with a slogan “ቃልሲ እዩ ህይወተይ”

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            “ኢድ ሸናሒት ጸናሒት”. Watch out; they ,may accuse you of insulting your own community. As to allegations you had been subjected to indecently, it is part of the stratagem the EPLF and its operatives have been using to blackmail and demoralize opponents. In the past it served them well due to unsuspecting power base they commandeered to their advantage for so long. Time is, however, changing slowly. This is gradually setting them in panic and resorting to flagrantly outrageous things. The other day I read some one using the term “condom” in this forum to slight some commenters whom he argued are Woyane supporters. How low can one go. Anyway, insanity and defeat are going to mark this lot as the downfall of despot approaches.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            We come here to learn and to contribute what we know and what we can and most of all as the soundtrack of the TV comedy show “Cheers” had it, “…You always want to go where everybody knows your name…” We come here simply because we all feel home!

            Most of us here do not know each other in person but over the years we have created a strong bond tied in love and respect based on common interest, values and the varied vision we have for the country we all love and cherish.

            I certainly don’t know this guy, he may probably have his own demons wrestling with and it is not right to pass a judgement on him. One thing is certain however, what he says and the way he interacts with the rest of us ናይ ጥዕና ኣይመስለንን።

            I personally wish him well and the best thing would be to let him be and let him converse with himself for no one can change him.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Blink,

            Britons say, “To be beaten by snake is an accident, but to be beaten by the same snake is foolishness.”

            Adages have no boundary, for example if I use the above idiom in the Eritrean context, it doesn’t mean that I intended the British people.

            I hope you heard an expression or definition of an art that says: A genuine art is that transcends TIME and PLACE.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            Sorry Ismail, if you don’t mind. I would say “who the hell you think you are are go to hell”.

            I don’t believe you are one person but a whole army of them in the president office, reading and commenting on Awate forum working 24 hours shifts.

            Otherwise who has time to cut and paste every comment said and written by people. I am sure the people who admin this forum know this very well, how time consuming it is to monitor the forum for every comment. Even then you get some help of a machine that flags key words and put them on hold, still takes a lot of time to read every comment.

            Blink is like a machine that operates 24/7 and archive and save every comment from everyone. And he really, really wants to focus on creating conflict between the different ethnic or religious groups. I don’t even know where he belongs but his method is typical “nihnan elmanan”, he appears to help the Christian deqi Kebesa to fight against the Muslim from lowlands..then he turn around and appears to be against the Habesha to fight with weyane…then he become atheist and fight the Christian / Muslim religion in the name of “non believers”…basically create chaos so the people are divided fighting each other at the same time forget the regime.

            I figure it out during the Akria incident…..

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Good observation to all his entries.

    • Blink

      Dear Haile s
      I just screen saved it and you said it all sir . I have it here with me and if you wanted it I can repost it , it takes only copy paste.

      • Haile S.

        Blink,
        My comment is here to stay. It was meant as it was written. Not everybody has a twisted understanding as yours.

        • Blink

          Dear Haile S
          How people understand your views is not up to you to decide . You have no write to decide how people see your comments or interpret . መን ዶ ከብድኻ ረጊጹካ እዩ. You have trillion choices and you have taken your choice and I am not debating based on your second thought because I have no part in it.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      Blink is a coward bigot. Bigotry is a “behavioral abnormalities” that can not be corrected by advices in this forum. So it is not his fault. It is the fault of the Team to allow him to do whatever he is doing. Where is George? Here you go, the guy who lived blinking his whole life (who has difficulty in reading and comprehension) has told us (Haile and myself) that we are a PFDJ operative spies. Don’t forget we are buddy-buddy from now onward. I am sure you are laughing.

      Regards

  • Blink

    Dear all
    I was just zooming around the forumers comments and here is the main point
    1. The Tigrinja are bigots
    2. A name like Haile and Amanuel is for spies .
    3. Any one who repeat Walahi is an honest one while these who don’t are not
    4. The Tigrinja has a culture to be a bigot and this can be seen in Gonder orthodox guy against the one who is not.
    5. Haile .S made most of the generalizations calling the Tigrinja “ lawless , bigot and spies “

    The Question for this heinous game was raised by Amanuel Hidrat , he said “ Why is from our tigrigna speaking people we see often bigotry, and intolerant arrogant languages? “ SG replied with total respect and passes with. Historical references which can be always put in line away from the question.

    Can reconciling the gab be done with such horrible things about one of the majority of people in Eritrea ? Is there any possible way that if you attack the Tigrinja speakers like the ESAT and Oromo media did in the past 28 years that you can humiliate the Tigrinja in an open space ? I think it is a mistake for any society to put in such slow killing lines and it will back fire if all things said in this forum about the kebesa ( Tigrinja) translated one by one in to Tigrinja and given to horrible people who can swipe every word in to the ears of the Tigrinja , it will be a sunami these who insult and accuse the Tigrinja speakers don’t bother to clarify. Remember the Tigrinja are accused of perfecting the ዝበረቐት ጽሓይና ዝነገሰ ንጉስና stereotyping a portion of the Eritrean population in such manner at this junction of our time .

    The fact is not a single government in Eritrea can survive a single day by making Tigrinja as the arc of dictatorship in Eritrea , not a single day will be passed away without total defeat of any government who come to power by bashing any part of Eritrean society.
    The attack on any society in Eritrea must be stoped by looking at the Posting guidance of this forum .

    • Consolation

      Blink,

      What do you expect of people who for 20 years were |Weyane servants. The trashy Weyanes, who infected Ethiopia with the virus of ethnic chaos, wanted to repeat t he evil agenda on Eritrea. And their servants were willing to be used like a condom. At least a condom may have the satisfaction of having done its job. What do these human dondoms to show for the 20 years of servility?

      • Blink

        Dear consolation
        It is humans who claim there is god and live as they don’t have one , and I think fear plays a bigger obstacle to this search of their perfect game . It was all fear in the 80th and the fear never dies before the body . The social science doctors we have are simply horrible and the historical evidence against the mismanagement of recourse as well is human nature by such people is simply mind boggling .remember morality is not the province of such people . Can you imagine the horrible someone has to get if someone insulted my ethnic group ? I don’t think the comment can survive a single minute . The hypocrisy implanted with some people is simply beyond the surface name because their real name can be other than Haile . Remember the Eritrean politics is growing up to be cynical about everything but to go down there as if everyone is faultless begs the question of who are these people ? I think they need to practice self awareness about such issues because these days things are easily vibrated . Remember religion has big influence in our society and both religion that are alive in our region exercised slavery openly for the benefit of few to preach so called gods words.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Blink,

      You think, you have gotten an issue, in which you will mushroom, but this time, for your bad lack, no buyer for your commodity from true Eritreans. In Tigre our fathers say, “ማልና ገዲም ፍርሲት ተልሀናቡ ዋማልና ሓር ዓቅል ዛበና እቡ” that means, we gambled with our old wealth, but we purchased wisdom with the later. Hard lessons and experience have taught Eritreans wisdom. There is no way to beguile them, Mr. Blink. Today, Eritrean highlanders and lowlanders are more bonded and brothers than anytime before. Isaias and his cohorts thought, Eritreans will never come together, but they were mistaken. At present, the husks from true Eritreans are purified.

      Al-Arabi

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I am ashamed to no end! how come I never thought of this great point? I don’t who this Wedi-Taba is but according to meskerem; he said..”ናይ ዝተዓቕበሉ ሃገር ዜግነት ዝሓዘ ኤርትራዊ ፡ብሕጊ፡ ጉዳይ ሃገር ኤርትራ ኣይምልከቶን ይብል ወዲ ጣባ።”
    Absolutely. Unreservedly. Categorically. Unequivocally. Utterly. TRUE !!! Now all of you who have citizenship of other counties Be quiet, keep your silence and saying it most respectfully Shut f up.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      Please refer to Eritrean citizenship law. Does it allow multi nationally? YES. What does that mean?

      • Nitricc

        Hi Aman since we don’t have functional and lawful constitution; your argument is useless. Remember there is implemented constitution I.E. we can made up polices and here we go, we just made you a foreign. This is brilliant to keep the trouble makers and loud diasporans.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Nitricc
          Whats up? You & consolation are running around like headless chickens.

      • Consolation

        Hi,
        The parents, relatives, neighbors, friends of the 19,000 Eritreans who died to fend off the savage Weyane invasion while the likes of you were standing guard when weyane soldiers were raping Eritrean women will never allow any traitor to set his dirty foot onto that sacred land.

        • iSem

          Consolation:
          You are a pusher, like like a drug pusher, you are pushing PFDJ drug
          Now these 19,000 were put to that position by the compulsive gamblers IA and PFDJ. When war broke,IA refused to negotiate, how many of these 19,000 died after he refused to accept the initial proposal? the 19,000 lives on IA and you guys who are pushing his
          You were drunk when IA told you the sun shall not rise in Badme and now where is Badme. We know about Woyane crimes because Dr. Leggessow documented it, tell us the crimes of PFDJ and IA
          The blood is on you
          And get life, these PFDJ lies have been exposed. Woyane is still in Eritrrean land, you cannot even kick them out now and you are silent because the robot programmer IA programmed you to gig: spit out the garbage he put in

          • Alex

            Hi Isem,
            You are still believing TPLF could have stopped the war if we have accepted the peace plan and 19,000 people from EDF should not have died. I was part of EDF at the time and you have to be naive to believe that. You remember TPLF after capturing badme the war did not end. Eritrea accepted all the peace initiative but the aggression did not stop until they were defeated in assab front. The main plan of TPLF was to capture Asmara and assab which it failed miserably by heroic EDF.

    • Consolation

      Hello Nitric,

      There is a more potent argument that disallows all those who think t hey have a right to be Eritrean leaders, it is that traitors are never allowed to participate in the political life of any nation. Leave alone traitors, even common criminals in the US lose their rright to vote. It is only a figring squad that those who sold themselves to the Weyane will face.

    • iSem

      Hi Nitricc:
      And you should consider yourself lucky that you did not think about that. Because that is the dumbest idea, misleading, so do not be impressed by it
      The dual citizen person maybe should not run for elected office, if Eri so legislates not because one person dreamed it in during his binge drinking.
      But the ጉዳይ Eri now is human right, let alone a person of Eri, descent, it should concern any decent human being

    • Haile WM

      HEY nitricc,

      you don’t have Eritrean citizenship, why do you even speak then?
      Cheers buddy stay put and wait for the second part interview of Iseyas will you.

      you are a constant source of smile to me
      Love you as always 🙂

      • Nitricc

        you don’t have Eritrean citizenship, why do you even speak then?

        Haile; well, I think I am more Eritrean than the real Eritreans who are in diaspora. Let me explain; The real Eritreans who were born and raised in Eritrea and left at their will to proceed to gain other citizenship; should be prohibited for any involvement in politics and other government business of their native country. They left their country voluntarily rejecting their own nationalities. However; it is true, I wasn’t born in Eritrea and I never been their ether but I never rejected my Eritrean nationalities in order to proceed other countries citizenships. So; you guys had it and rejected it; I never had it, I wanted it; that is the difference. It is not fair for Diasporas to deep their nose in to their native country politics. They left! so, let the people inside the country do what is right for them. that is all Haile.

        • Haile WM

          dear Nitricc,

          i like you nationalism, i like your sense of belonging, but you cant deny others right to define where to belong and how to do it. let alone those who were born and grew there, even those like you who were born in Diaspora love Eritrea and nobody can deny them the right to express their political view how ever it could be against the Government or individual. instead of trying to mute somebody we should encourage diverse opinion.

          Cheers Buddy

          • Nitricc

            but you cant deny others right to define where to belong and how to do it.

            Hi Haile; but they left!!!! I didn’t say they shouldn’t belong what I said was they shouldn’t be involved in any political aspects of the nation. Of course they belong to their country.

  • Selam All,

    It is rumored that hundreds of Eritrean soldiers who defected to Tigray have said that IA is afraid of invasion of his country by tplf, and the closure of the borders is partially attributed to this fear. It is also said that, on the contrary, higher officers of the EDF do not see any reason for such fears, which shows some divergence in the opinion of the president and that of his generals. What is happening? What is true and what is fake news in this case?

    • Consolation

      Hi Sir,

      It is obvious that the Tigrayans are these days in a state of total wreck. One day Debretsion tells them Tigray is d oomed if Abiy withholds subsidies. The next day he reassures them by news of oil in Tigray. You have to take any news coming out of Tigray as the ranting of scared rats.

    • Alex

      Hi Horizon,
      How can any body from Eritrea believe any invasion from TPLF. TPLF does not have the power in Ethiopia and is not a threat to Eritrea anymore period. What ever you heard is made up fake news.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Horizon,

      I am here offering you a Sunday gift for reading, an article written by Yared Habtemariam, who has great concern on the lack of respecting rule of law in your country.

      https://www.ethiopiaobserver.com/2019/05/22/what-has-patience-got-to-do-with-it/

      • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

        Thank you a lot for the link.
        The unstable situation and the problem with respect for the rule of law in ethiopia is explained by different people in different ways. There are those who say that this is an expected behavior of people who come out of an authoritarian rule, who chose to respond in a similar way, that transition from authoritarianism to democracy is sometimes plagued by excessive reaction that may be characterized as anarchy, and citizens of a third world country who never lived under democracy do not always know what exactly democracy is and how to handle it. In addition, we should not forget the toxic ethnic politics as an important factor which leads to ethnic conflicts.

        The patience of the government is demonized because it is characterized as a weakness and it is taken as equivalent to doing nothing. We cannot say that nothing is done in ethiopia when the rule of law is broken. Simply, extreme force that ended up in the death of the innocent with the culprits is not practiced anymore. Of course, crimes occur in places far from the law, and rounding up and apprehending the criminals right away may not be always possible. Nevertheless, they are pursued and most of the time they are brought to the court of law. As much as ethnic conflicts are concerned, a big job is being done by bringing together the different social groups, and discussing the problems that lead to conflict.

        Why crimes are allowed to happen in the first place, why it was not averted before it occurred is not an easy question to answer. It is necessary to have a police and a military state to achieve it, which is equivalent to authoritarianism and dictatorship. The patience of the ethiopian government, therefore, in the use of lethal force as it used to be, does not mean not doing all the rest necessary to punish the culprits. Brute force could easily terrorize the people and this is the way authoritarian regimes bring peace and security, and of course by filling prisons as well, and the state in this case becomes the terrorizer. This may give the impression that there is peace and security, but in actual fact, it is a bottled anger, as we saw in ethiopia and elsewhere.
        Many people do not differentiate the rule of law from the use of force, most of the time, which could be at the expense of democracy, and the danger of sliding into authoritarianism, without saying that criminals are not pursued by the law and that they go scot free.

        For example, there are many people who say that getachew assefa is not brought to the court of law with force, because of the weakness of the federal government. They do not take into consideration the fact that when tplf has more or less mutinied, sending the federal army may cause chaos which will worsen the situation. Of course, it doesn’t mean that he will be left alone. The right time will come, and until then, more or less, he remains in a sort of confinement unable to travel to other parts of ethiopia.

        Therefore, it is not about the absence of the power or the will to bring the rule of law, but much more it is about avoiding to traumatize democracy and bring authoritarianism, through the use of excessive force that misses its target. As we can see, today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow will be even better.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          “A call for respect for the rule of law does not mean the call for authoritarian rule”. You don.t need to excuse for lawlessness.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            For God sake aman u have no clue for what is going on ethiopia.
            Democracy is a very dangerous system, if it’s applied in undemocratic society. In order to apply democracy fully , the people has to practice it slowly and that is what is happening in ethiopia right now, it is.more of practicing the ugly side of democracy through fake news and fake rhetoric speech.
            There r no more than 90 thousand displaced people at a time in ethiopia by conflict, that is the fact.

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            If the precautionary measures the ethiopian government is taking to avoid the loss of life from state violence is interpreted as an excuse for lawlessness, how would you manage lawlessness yourself in practical ways?

            You called M.Z. a strong and decisive leaders. You have said it on many occasions. This was a person who murdered about 200 people just in one occasion in broad daylight in addis for coming out to demonstrate. Was that the result of authoritarian rule or not, and if you do not call it as such, others call it mass murder by a dictator.

            If M.Z. was around and you continue to embrace his modus operandi, under such circumstances, don’t you think that thousands could have been dead. Authoritarianism and dictatorship are terrorism and lawlessness, that is why ethiopia is scared of return to that abyss. Lawlessness is tackled by the government in ethiopia, but not through mass murder. Tplf did not require lawlessness to commit mass murder under the anti-terrorism law as we know.

            It happens that we have a different approach on lawlessness and punishment. Nobody is saying criminals should not be handled by the law, but the state has no right to shoot and kill in a lawless way even if it concerns a criminal as long as he/she is ready to hand over her/hiself to the law, Kill first and ask questions later, has no place in ethiopia today, as she is aspiring to build democracy. Even the death penalty is prohibited in many countries. Working day and night to defend the people will be the new government’s continuous endeavor and it will be by implementing methods learnt from democratic countries. Just for a change, ethiopia may avoid the authoritarian-dictatorial way of handling her citizens, contrary to most african countries.

  • Bahri

    Selam Ibrahim,
    Your compertalization of Eritrea’s struggle into three stages is a meritorious idea that may help Eritrea achieve its goals with less heart aches. I absolutely agree with your first and the third stages. I would suggest and I hope in the second stage all peace and progress wishing people of Eritrea should insist those who participate in the transition period (say two or three years) should be transitional and not compete in future elections (at least for the first free election competition). For example, Nelson Mandela by running once showed his people how to be humble and transitioned SA into a democracy albeit not a perfect one. I would say it would be a win win to peaceful Eritrea and I hope I am not putting the cart before the horse.. because professional politicians are very good in stirring the pot to a boiling point.

  • Gerogee

    Hi IT

    Your article is DEAD ON ARRIVAL (DOA).

    1. Calling our national Hero as #1 enemy of Eritrea is what are enemies of the Eritrean people have been saying. Our enemies are USA, Woyane, some expansionist Ethiopians, short-sighted dim-witted, regionalist, wishy washy Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Dubai. This are the some of our enemies NOT PIA.

    • Bahri

      Geroeegy,
      DIA sooner or later will be dead. Who will you worship after? I forgot you will keep reciting the rest of your life,”The king is dead, long live the king”.

      • Gerogee

        Hi B

        I’m one step ahead of you. True story . . Guess what, I met a Colombian girl who is naturally gifted at making statues. I mean, you should see her work! She’s amazing. I was supposed to send her the picture but I haven’t I’m too lazy and busy bashing people like you!

    • Saleh Johar

      Georgee,
      Quite an impressive array of enemies we have! With all those branded as enemies, what is our chance of surviving, let alone defeating all. Just wondering loudly, no answer is required.

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Saleh,
        ጸላኢና ሓደ ፈታዊኡ ይኹን! እዛ ትስዕብ ደርፊ ቀደም መስቀል ኣብ ማይ በላ ትድረፍ ነይረ። ቁሩብ ልውጥ ኣቢለ ከቕርባ፡ –
        ኣሸዊና ኣሸዊና ልዑል ኢሳያስ እዮም ፈታዊና
        ኣሸዊና ኣሸዊና ልዑል ኢሳያስ እዮም ቀዳዊና

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi HaileS,
          It’s very sad and very, very, very painful to see a nation equated with one brute. Indeed, let’s all sing ashewina-ashewina.

      • Gerogee

        Hi SJ

        I know you’re rolling your eyes when you see my name! I would not miss the opportunity to give you an ulcer. I insist on replying and the universe would want it that way. I’m going to give you an easy target. Yemen! Don’t you think they were enemy to us even from Liberation time! And I might add for no reason at all! I mean give me that . You should agree with this one there’s no way you can deny that. I beg you to agree with me in the name of Justice Seekers 🙂

        • Saleh Johar

          Okay Gergee,
          The formal PFDJ beat you to the attempt–giving me ulcer. Stop trying. You do not have a name–don’t deceive yourself, when I see your name, I see an egg face, just like some facebook profiles. Nothing to roll eyes about 🙂

          Forgive me, the Jebeli Yemen. That I give you hands down. Yes, they are our enemies. Now that the Saudis are carpet bombing them, they are weakened and an easy target for us. Let’s gather all our enmity and pile it up on them. This is true story. Once a Tor Serawit soldier finished his Swa, burped, and then said: “Temesghen Amlakye, ahun Libya mezmet nowa”! Let’s defeat Yemen, then we Libya. Deal?

          Now is Tigrinya still 3000 years old?

          Take care

          • Gerogee

            Hi SJ

            Those, PFJD, they never tell us anything. Here I am slaving day and night! for them The only info I get is about micro dam… Us far as Yemen is concerned it is tragic. Really tragic. That is my fear for Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Georgee,
            I am impressed! Are you a new person or you were pulling my leg? Good comment and the pfdj is the culprit. Let’s ficus on it

          • Gerogee

            Hi SJ

            Not so fast my, not so fast. First thing is first. Let’s focus on

            Fake Eritreans

            REGIONALIST

            WOYANE WORSHIPERS

            Cut and paste scientist

            Meles WORSHIPERS

            Woyaneti

            Those who call Woyaneti, Queen

          • Saleh Johar

            Georgee,
            Someone says all our neighbors are enemy’s, now considering all the groups in your list means we do not have a sane society and we do not deserve to be free. But fortunately, not many Eritreans are that belligerent or combative in nature. Most want to live a free, just, and peaceful life.

          • Gerogee

            Hi SJ

            Himm….I was only listing people on this forum. Not the whole Eritrean society. Just on this forum.

    • Brhan

      Hi Gerogee,

      Thanks to awate.com , it opened for us a platform to argue even with die hard Isays worshipers. Keep going on!

      • Gerogee

        Hi B

        You said, “…..keep going on” and I say to you thanks I really need encouragement from like minded person like you. I appreciate your moral support.😁

        • Brhan

          Hi Gerogee,
          So say thank you to awate.com!

  • Millennium

    Hi All:

    I wish you all a happy Independence Day!! So many hurdles, so much pressure and ultimately Eritrean star has started shine and will only get brighter!

    Millennium

  • Paulos

    Selam Ato Ibrahim Tada,

    Many thanks for the timely article. I read it with an ample interest but I must say I disagree with some of the points you raised or recommended.

    Hope to expand my take on it a bit further later on today or in the coming days but let me briefly say that, I disagree with the need for Multi-Party or One Man/Woman vote Democracy in the immediate post-Isaias Eritrea. For one, Eritrea doesn’t have the institutional capacity to carry out or entertain ideological differences with in myriad parties whose differences if there is any yet to be clearly defined.

    In my humble opinion, in the aftermath, technocrats, academics and professionals alike should take charge to run and rebuild the country from bottom up. More over, Civic Institutions as in religious leaders including the elderly should get fully involved to restore peace, social cohesion and harmony which had been systematically erroded by the regime.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Paulos,

      Are you referring to the “transitional period” or to “un specific period” the country to be lead and governed with the social-class you mentioned? I could agree for a two to three year transitional period only. With in those years “the constitution, the institutions of government and the state” should be ready for a regular election of multi-party, whatever the number of parties could exist in the transitional period. The reason I am asking you is: “to rebuild” a country will take decades and we can not let the country’s politics for decades without representative democracy and without pluralistic democracy.

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

        You are absolutely right. It is during the Transitional Period. The challenge as you put it, is how long is a Transitional Period and to answer the question with transparency devoid of parochial political expediency, we need experts as in academics and professionals who would assess the reality on the ground based on national consensus.

        Remember, the national ethos is “Never Again” where competing for a political power pales in comparison with the unbelievable psychological damage the regime has incurred, as such, every citizen is mobilized to rebuild a wounded and shattered nation first and foremost!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          The issue of “ethos” can only be solved when we have a structure of government that gives them a “fair share” both in politics and economy of the nation. It depend what kind of representative democracy we could come up with. I am sure there will a big hurdle from the Unitarian ideological interests.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            The people are morally, psychologically and physically exhausted. They want to live a normal life. The mandate of the care-taker government is to provide the people just that where papers discussing if they need a multi-party democracy, liberal democracy, social democracy or progressive democracy is a luxury tantamount to a starving kid choosing nonexistent chocolate over a piece of bread. We need to put in place our priorities.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            So what is your suggestion? ድሕሪ እዚ ኹሉ ስቃይን መከራን ብዕበጦ ዕበጦ ዝኽየድ ጉዕዞ አይመስለንን:: አስተብሂልናን ዘሎ ቅሬታት(grievances) ኣብ ግምት አእቲና እንተተኻታዕና ዝሓሸ ይመስለኒ::

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            It would be dishonest of me if I claim to have the answer for the otherwise incredibly difficult and complex question and that is the reason that the need for a National Dialogue.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman & Dr. Paulos,

            You might have noticed and read my first comment under this thread. Having read Solomon’s good questions whose answers can help Ibrahim to put more flesh on his views, I thought giving him time would be good for the discussion. That is to say this thread would move on track and not be derailed by intense related issues, or at worse petty side issues, and main theme of the article diminishes.

            Ibrahim has dwelt, by and large, on one major concern, which has become a political-organizational riddle. This involves the hitherto elusive separation of special stakeholders’ interests in post dictatorship Eritrea from the crucial national concerns. The author’s choice of “revolution” as descriptive framework for centralization of intention and operation of the national struggle seems to me deliberate provocative emphasis to press for crucial resolution of the dilemma. It is here where the relevance of thoughts expounded in the article rest.

            I am saying this because I think it is quite crucial for the debate to focus more on work needed to get rid of regime than how developments would proceed after the demise of the despotic regime, despite of course the necessity of keeping open eyes on matters that can contaminate peaceful, measured and sustainable program of transition from crude dictatorship to a fair, just and unifying democratic system.

            Now then, the interesting discussion both of you have exchanged fits in the last point I have just scribbled – i.e. post despotism concern, which is definitely legitimate. Actually, I did not detect incongruency. The discussion revolve carecand caution by way of emphasis of priorities in the transition in post revolution phase to use Ibrahim’s term.

            In my view, in societies that exist in conditions of evolving nation- state formations, and are still are socially fragile, economically backward and politically polarized, and ruled under oppressive regimes, sudden changes entail a set of phased priorities. The immediate concern involves peace, social order and provision of food and shelter with minimum requirements of health. The weak and tired population need respite and working out of trauma of dictatorial oppression. Pending humanitarian responsibilities such social strains involving rifts and conciliations, family reunions with prisoners coming home and working out bereavements, and repatriation of refugees fall in first phase priorities of the care taker governing order. Briefly stated, Eritrea as a perfect specimen of a nation in trauma, shall need calm and serenity to reflect and reconcile with itself.

            The next phase will concern constitutional process which need legal frameworks and concomitant mechanisms. An elected constituent assembly is a beginning threshold under which institution building deliberations and debates would operate. Choice of a consensual system of government will have to be one of the determinant tasks. Governing agencies and organs will have be closely watched and protected from contamination that drift the transtion period towards incubating a new successor dictatorship of whatever nature – under an individual or group. Eritrea will have to learn lesson from Isayas Aferwerki and how he hoodwinked power bases to give decades of suffering and destruction.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! That is exactly what I have in mind. Thank you!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo & Dr Paulos,

            I could agree on the general premises and what should be done as you laid it down in your rejoinder. The problem is always with the specificities and how to bring all the stakeholders to rally on the objective of the specifics. The issue of mechanization of the frameworks in setting the common mirror where all the stakeholders could see their images is not an easy task that could be handled by general premises and approaches. Both of you know that “platitudes” are the worst deceptives tactics in politics. So individuals like yourselves who are well read on “history and governance philosophy” your eyes should be focused on the details to save any meaningful “political process” from detailing, and that started in the eve of the demise of the despot. I have undisclosed info as to what maneuvers are going for the upcoming of Washington DC demonstrations. Various groups are pulling each other as who should lead the transition as if the evil man is gone. I am worried about the so called “transition” that it could be derailed with “cosmetic change” without addressing the core issue of our political problems. Assuming the despot is the only problem and removing him will solve our politics is just naïveté, and that is what is going on. Prudence and wisdom is not enough for diversity politics. It needs also “keen eyes” to what is going on and “judicious mind” in our politics.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman H.

            I perfectly comprehend the concern you have; multitudes of us have the same worries as you do. No one among us would be watching the birth and growth of another venomous cobra. The Eritrean people, or let me say, the majority of them, would prepare themselves to step on the holes of a new cobra and his enablers to be bitten again from the same pit.

            All I wanted to say on my previous post was that subjecting the post dictatorship transition in measured people’s basic interests oriented prioritized programs would be helpful in pursuing parallel tasks simultaneously: catering for the needs of weakened society on the one hand, and keeping eyes on political theft and power seeking groups of whatever nature, on the other. I thought I had dealt with this issue in my comments yesterday.

            As to the point you had shared about the coming event in Washington, it might turn to be an iceberg. Much of such moves would be witnessed down the road to the finesse or down fall of the despot. Just before I read your response, I read in fb a testimony by former academic at Asmara University that clear mission of vindicating Andeberhan. The timing and positioning of the photos told me a lot.

            But, justice to the citizens, and equality among them, will be betting on the well meaning patriots who aspire genuine change that would serve all; they will to have eyes wide open. Setting down of the requirements of an enduring national unity that has so far eluded us, and cost us so much, would probably get last chance In whatever way Eritreans are going to handle post Isayas dictatorship transition. National unity will mean how the socio-demographic and democratic components of the nation shall see themselves in the new system that would supplant the current disfigured one-man dictatorship. So, dear Aman, your wary is very much shared by all patriotic, genuine and forward looking optimistic sons and daughters of our nation.

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Ahlan Awates,

    Brother Ibrahim Tada, you are verily right. There are no two revolutions in one country, starting from the French Revolution. For instance in our neighbor, the Sudan, there is one revolution against Al-Bashier regime. Also in the past Sudan had the 1964 revolution and 1985 revolution. In Eritrea, we have the revolution against Ethiopia, and the present revolution against Isaias. Since a revolution is against one enemy, therefore, it should be under one umbrella. Eritreans in their revolution against Isaias should come together to create a strong flood that will crush Isaias and his regime.

    Al-Arabi

  • Blink

    Dear All
    Personally I am in favor of putting Arabic in par with English and Tigrinja for governmental services , but I think it will be dishonest of me if I try to tell the 1950th story of the Arabic language in Eritrea and force people to accept it and say no negotiation on it , it is a false propaganda campaign that will put every other single issue to ground zero because once you attach Arabic to religion it loses its importance as it will go on to raise serious questions about these who advocate for it. Arabic is not strong mother language in Eritrea expect for few people who grow up in ME .I think everything must come to debate except the sovereignty of Eritrea. Language issue can be debated and the public can decide on it , there is no country this earth who changed its official language from mother language to any other for the sake of religion ( I mean without the colony disease),For example Let’s see how other majority Muslim countries hold on to their language while the educate religion in Arabic the Pakistani, Afghan , Somalia ,Iranian , Turkish, Uzbekistan, Kazakistan , to Nigeria , Malaysia and other countries of Asia never entered on such political toxicity. So why was Eritrea immersed in such political game ? What was the reason that Arabic become more interesting than Tigre and other Languages , first of all it is a medium to facilitate our daily life and if someone wanted to run his religious language in its book based he can do it in the worship places . Arabic language must be acceptable to Eritreans in state levels for its service not for it’s Quran dictated stand . Arabic is richer than Tigrinja and Tigre and it has an advantage to serve the people all within its reach away from the sheikh service . Arabic in 1952 and Arabic in 2019 in Eritrean society can be seen differently from different angle but to assume majority speak Arabic in Eritrea is a complete fallacy or hidden agenda for some thing we all can guess . On the same note an argument can be made against English ,But do Eritrean speak English ? Why do we bow to English language? It is simple truth for its service unless there is no way a court can go on assessing cases in Eritrea in English , The 1952 deal did not represent Eritrean majority views and even now if the people get a fair chance to experience one person one vote chance I don’t believe they can choose Arabic and English for the sake of belonging because they don’t . Arabic or Tigrinja choice must be go down to the ballot box so do English of spade for spade becomes the order of the elite.

    The Eritrean people never asked about language and about who leads them ,their leaders played every inch of sky political game because they never consider the Eritreans as interested as themselves.

    My best choice would be to ask all Eritrean mother language speakers to express their wish to eliminate their mother language in favor of Arabic or English because that would be fun to watch how people like the author defend their stand on the face of every single benefit Arabic can offer there is a chance things can be surprising too.

  • cool

    hi,
    the langauge issue is made an issue out of non issue in eritrea.
    for the last three thousand years the most spoken langauge was tigrigna and over 90% of the populaton understands it.Tigrigna is also not only a language but a civilzation with scripts and constitution(higi enda ba)but gradually eritrea became the home of many moslem brothers and sisters who fled the criminal rule of the ethiopian king yohannes.
    They were well come and became full blood nationals and even took part in the liberation struggle against the ethiopian accupation.
    Most of these folks have joined the elf where the miltary acadamy was proceeded in arabic langauge and whose ambiton was the arabizaton of eritrea. As the then mlitary ruler of ethiopia “ye ertra wenbedewoch ertran korto le areb lemeshet ” slogan has not come out of the blue.
    The irony here is ,there is no ethnic group in eritrea whose mother language is arabic besides some 100 nomands who come and go as they wish.
    so every body accepts eritrea has become a country of differnt ethnic groups with the same duties and rights but no ethnic group has the right to alter the national language and the three thousand years old civilization , it is as if the sirian refugees in some 100years would demand the national language of germany to be arabic.
    thank u
    cool

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam cool,

      So the Eritrea Muslims who resided in the Easten lowland, northern lowland, and the western lowland are migrated from Ethiopia. Is that what you are saying? Please get real. Don’t bring your bogus history to confuse the highlander Christians in particular and our youth in general. Don’t bring this bogus history to divide our society behind nickname.

      • cool

        hi Aman,
        those folks from low lands are of negligible size , some of them came from somalia /djibouti and some of them cäme from sudan most of them are clans
        they canot trace their history even just 50 years back.
        depending on the mood of their clan chief they move from djibuty to ethiopia and from ethiopia to eritrea. The same is true with the others who live in the border of sudan. can you imagine Abdela idris was a sudanise police officer before joining the elf?

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Mr. Cool,

      If you don’t mind it, Mr. Cool, would you choose one religion for Eritrea, because, as you know, they all pray and believe in one Good?

      As the writer above discusses, and I agree with him fully, the issues of religion and official languages are not issues for debate. The very guys who made these issues for debate are Haile Sellasie and Isaias, in order to divide the people of Eritrea and rule. These two guys, HS & IA knew well such issues has no full stop. They will be a none ending issues of division among Eritreans. This kind of ploy served them a lot, but I don’t think it will serve them in the future.

      Al-Arabi

    • Haile S.

      Selam Cool,

      What do you loose by saying cool things? As Ibrahim Tada said, the language issues is a settled non debatable issue. The language issues was found with the foundation of independence aspiring Eritrea. It is a monument no one cannot curve again at will. It even will be difficult for anyone who aspire for Eritrean leadership if she/he cannot communicate with the diverse population whose mother language is not tigrigna, in arabic.

      On the provenance and your false who is who, you forgot one big thing written in the very Hgi-endaba you mentioned yourself. The tigrigna speakers in Eritrea claim themselves their forefathers came from Dembiya (Meroni’s story), Wollo (Adkeme mlga’e story), from amharic & agew speaking regions at that, and other places…

      • cool

        hi,
        pls donot mix things which doesnot belong together at will, it is like a bad cook who puts some false ingridients to a food with the hope of getting better taste.
        From amharic and agew speaking regions came those clans known as bilen
        most which are living as for today in keren and its surroundings and even those folks have no more than 800years history in eritrea.
        They donot have any contribution in the making of hgi enda ba or the constitution.some of them have the fortune to join the catholic church and are some how integrated with the tigringa speakers ,the rest are still nomads

        • Haile S.

          Selam Cool,
          Cool down. Instead of trying to come with a sledgehammer please come with building blocks. Here are few bricks from me. Try to find some and read them, if you haven’t done so.

          1 – መረብ ምላሽ፡ ሩፊሎ ፐሪኒ (1905)፡ ቪቶርዮ-ሮንካሊ (ተርጓሚ 1997)

          2 – ደቀባት ህዝብታት አርትራ፡ ኣልቤርቶ ፖለራ (፡ ይስሃቕ ገብረ ኢየሱስ (2003 ተርጓሚ)

          3 – መሠረት ዓሌት ህዝቢ መሬት ምላሽ፡ ጆሜርትራ ገብረየሱስ ኣባይ። መበል 31 ዓመት ንግስና ቀኃስ ዝተሓትመ። Extremely rare book.

          4 – ታሪኽ ወለዶ ሕዝቢ ኤርትራ፥ ብርሃነመስቀል ተስፋማርያም 2009

          5 – ታሪኽ ትውልዲ ልሳነ ግእዝ፡ አ/ገብረ ኢየሱስ ክፍሌ 2001

          6 – ሕግን ሥርዓትን ናይ መሬት ዓደቦ ትግርኛ ትግረ፡ ዝርአ-ያዕቆብ እስጢፋኖስ ወደማሪኣም ኣብርሃም ኢንዥ ገሪማ ገብረመስቀል 1990

          7 – ካብ ጓዕዞታት ታሪኽ ኤርትራ፡ መሓሪ ንጉሰ፡ Year of publication not clearly shown.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            That is pretty impressive and thanks for sharing them with the rest of us.

            Let alone to read any of them, I never heard of them. Where would you find them?

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Paul,
            ብዘይካ እታ ናይ ቀረባ መጽሓፍ ናይ 2009፡ እቲ ካልእ ካብ ሕትመት ወጻኢ እዩ፡ ብሰበሰብ እንተዘይተረኺቡ ወይ ከኣ ኣብ ቤየ-መጻሕፍቲ (library)።
            ኣብ ዝኸድክዎ፡ የንብቦ ኣየንብቦ፡ መጽሓፍ ዶ ርኢኹም’ዶ ክብል ሰብ ስለ ዘሕብጥ፡ ገሊኡ ሰብ ዝተኾበለይ፡ ገሊኡ ዓዲ ከይደ ከለኹ ሃሰስ ኢለ ዝረኸብክዎ፡ ገሊኡ ኣብ ኤሮጳ ከለኹ ብኣጋጣሚ ኣብ ቤተመጻሕፍቲ ዝረኸብክዎ እዩ።

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            You should see me laughing. ንመጽሓፍ ኢልካ ምልማን ዘኹርዕ እዩ።

            The rest will borrow them from you when we meet in person.

          • Millennium

            Hi Haile:

            I have always wanted to read aba Yishak’s and similar such books; this is a good list and I thank you for that; this indeed is a rich forum

            Millennium

    • Paulos

      ሰላማት ዝሑል,

      በቃ ነዛ ድርሰት ዕጽድ ዕጽድ ኣቢልካ እነሀለ ርኢቶይ ኢልካና! በል’ስከ መሊስካ ኣምቢብካ ምስቲ ሓቀኛ ታሪኽ ናይ ኤርትራ ኣጋናዝባ’ሞ፣ መሊስካ ርኢቶኻ ኣካፍለና።

      • cool

        hi paulos
        you are using the very symbols of your civilization to counter attack it.
        It is like a guy killing him self with his self made weapon.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Cool,
      As a Tigrinya speaker, I am impressed by the information you provided. I believed Tigrinya is not more than 500 years (give or take a few centuries) old because before then, the people spoke Geez and other ancient indigenous languages. Is there any Tigrinya script written more than 200 years ago? Does any monastery hold a parchment older than 200 years? I also heard that Tigrayit is older than Tigrinya, do you think that is correct? As the hgi endaba, what is the hgi endaba in places other than the Eritrean highlands? Are you sure Tigrinya is 3000 years old, older than many other languages with old archaeological evidence? I am excited by the information you provided, I am sure it is the tip of the iceberg. Kindly elaborate, I would like more of that so that I can argue and debate with confidence. Of course you know those spoiled science guys; they always ask for proof and evidence.

      I am amazed by your brilliant example, equalizing non Tigrinya speaking Eritreans with the Syrian refugees in Germany. That is a brilliant expose.

      I await your enlightening reply with dripping saliva. Thank you in advance.

      • cool

        hi johar,
        first i am delighted to hear from you that you are tigrigna spreaker, because i know that your people assume they were deprived from their langauge(arabic) because of the domnance of the tigrigna speakers(for this pls watch that youtube video of the PIA conference which was held in america, where one lady (your representative) asked about this matter.PIA s answer was
        “if one says i am not i it is ok in eritrea but if one says i am not i and you are the reason for my feeling then we cannot help him”
        so it is a good step to getting your soul back.
        Now to your question, tigrigna is a langauge that is derrived from geez it has undergone diffreren steps of” evolution” untill it became the current language
        but the core segment of the acters in this practice were the people who are currently living in todays eritrea kebesa und the whole of tigray

        cool

        • Brhan

          Hi Cool,
          That was not presidential from DIA, I believe he regrets it for saying it. SO don’t visit non presdential moments if you really admire him not contradict to yourself

          • cool

            no comments

        • Saleh Johar

          Cool,
          Pls stay cool. Any sign of bigotry puts me off. So, if you deal with me as a citizen it’s preferred. Your people my people is a language of fascists and doesn’t appeal to me.

          It seems you do not know me but I always recognize the difference between personal preferences and national arrangements. I speak Tigrinya but Tigrinya-speaker is not a noun and I do not carry that as a special identity.

          Nationally, I believe Arabic and Tigrinya to remain the working languages (never mind the current imbalance) and will remain so. Simply because some people use it as a veil to express their bigotry doesn’t change anything.

          The lady you mentioned (DC) is actually from Ghindae but since she spoke in Tigrinya, your bigoted leader and yourself continue to display serious bigotry. She is not a Tigrinya speaker.

          Now, you need to live another lifetime to teach me how and when Tigrinya developed. Don’t go there. Also, it’s good for our nation that we cleanse our minds of the fascist strains.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Why is from our tigrigna speaking people we see often bigotry, and intolerant arrogant languages? Any historical theory to it? I don’t see often from our people who lives in the lowlands.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,
            Who is in better position than you and I to answer the question. It has more to do with culture and habitation than theory, in my layman’s view. Experience and travel showed me such defensive self-uplifting socio-cultural mechanism is not unique to highland Eritrea. It is universal. There are French who consider themselves bons fide and slight other Frenchmen and women ( where is Hailat ). In Gojjam and Gonder Amahara heartland, a person who do not speak Amharic and profess monophysite Orthodox Christianity, is less than the who do. The difference is peoples who used in private and those who over-exptess.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail and Emma,

            This is not Emma’s impression only, it is an unpronounced impression that many people have. Our close war-time enemies had used it in some way or another to gain some moral high ground in the recent past. It is something the Eritrean art-media (movie, theatre, and comedy) have freely exploited ad libitum, especially post independence. I invite you to watch 20 or 30 you-tube collections of these. You will notice, in the large majority of these plays, the gentle, nice helping hand man/woman is represented by someone who speaks tigrigna with strong lowland accent, repeats wolahi (ዎላሂ) hundred times and is a shop owner, a Saleh or a Mahmud. The lawless, bigot or spy is represented by Haile Paulis or Amanuel.

            I agree with you, Ismail. All those negative characteristics are universal. There is no truth or basis for Eritrean tigrigna to being specifically this and that. But there is possible explanation. The Eritrean highlander for several cumulative reasons have been the dominant visible society at least culturally and administratively since decades and with it comes everything in a concentrated manner. Any social blemish or force is seen as belonging to this very visible society.

            We can also say the tigrigna are ቦቕባቛት ግሩሃት፡ ኣብ ውሽጢ ዘይሕዙ፡ ዝሰምዕዋ ዝሓሰብዋ ድርጉሕ ዘብሉ like Emma. But this is also self serving complement in a certain way. We are neither this nor that specifically, we are a mixture of all like any other society.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            There is a historical foundation for the arrogance and bigotry. It all started at the time the Jesuits and the Turks were expanding. Some people are still living in that age, and Tedros, Yohannes, wube, and Haileselassie made it worse. A true national government and laws plus education will take care of it. Don’t worry too much about it.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            I think, for all practical purposes, the next President or Prime Minister of Eritrea should be from the Lowlands. Preferably, ex-ELF Tegadalai and whose mandate is first and foremost bringing the country and the people together where the motto is forgive but never forget lest the past is repeated.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            That is easier said than done. Do you know that most of criticisms I receive are because I do not forget anything, for the reason you explained, to avoid its repetition. But that exposed one to another risk: being depicted as a person loaded with grudges. Believing the former without being targeted for the second is so difficult. It’s a perfect example of catch-22. In short, we have not learned to see historical development in alienation of our present affiliations. For example, if you attack Yohannes (I can do it non-stop for a year ) some people would feel they are being targeted. We need to work on that, just like Americans would discuss slavery without hangups, or Europeans discuss their history in a neutral manner. That is because many Eritreans believe the past has always been present and that is a bit sensitive and requires honesty and maturity. Then there are victims who are attacked for historical wrongs others did simply because the others belonged to a same group, identity, etc. In short, we need to learn acrobatics and rope walking 🙂

          • Blink

            Dear SG
            We can’t really move away from the past while people who evade death in the past are making their own personal stories to garner support for the future . Once they drop their past ኮለልበይ , May be and this is big may be unless we will stack there for the coming decade or more.

            The fact is SG your colleagues from the past decades are still zooming the political space using their old version plus some to settle down their own way of the past . I never read anything about the past in a bad way from you and I don’t know how you manage that. Others , well they sleep and wake up in their old time mind set .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            My biggest problem with you is that you try to throw current (though as old as Eritrea) to a special group and a specific timeframe. You can try but you cannot absolve the society of its ills by pushing it back in time as if the nation has no neglected wounds. My friend, unless we stop this prima Donna behavior and face issues openly, they will exist until we resolve them. Also, no reconciliation is possible before talking about issues honestly and openly. Not with the attitude of “this makes me uncomfortable so bury again” how do you think we can resolve issues unless we talk about them and educate each other….and everyone airs his grievances to his compatriots? You might think you are helping reconciliation but your attitude is a hindrance.

          • iSem

            Hi Paul:
            Well, if we have a fair system then the pm will easily be elected from Lowlands, especially from Keren. And here is why, the person from this area will appeal to most Eritreans duet to the diversity of cultural exposure and language, especially if we have the official language of Tig and Arabic and the party system is not ethnically/regionally based.
            In Canada in the last 150 yrs over 85% of PMs were from Quebec. Current PM is listed from Ontario (center) but he was born when his father was PM in Ottawa, but he is from Quebec
            The capital, Keren does not qualify and Asmara should not be, the Italians selected it for its weather, their cottage city, I say build a new one in Nackfa or Afabet, a city that infused the history of the nation making, nos some Italian built city that has no its own personality. For the capital you do not need mega city, you need small, one, I nominate to build it in Afabet is nice,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Education? Nah. Because I saw more frequent with educated individuals. It became more of “behavior attitudes” than “literacy” of being good human being. I use to say education is everything that molds your character. But it isn’t. I have witnessed many things with our erudite.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            i agree on what u said above but “fiteha negest” is a historical foundation for arrogance and bigotry, i think it all started because of “fiteha negest” and Ahmed geragn too along turks, wube, yohanes,….. made it worse.

          • cool

            Aman,
            donot worry in the islamic republic of eritrea which is comming subsequently after the” ye akel” movement salah johar will make sure that you get the post of education minister where you can indoctrinate the tigrigna bigots to become tolerant or get their hands cut off.

          • Saleh Johar

            Cool,
            No bigotry or you will be shown the door by the moderators.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Cool,

            For God’s sake. Do you know what you are saying? If an Eritrean Muslim become a president of Eritrea, we will have an Islamic republic that cuts off hands. This is what Issayas and his colleagues planted in to the Eritrean politics that divided our society till this date. And this is not bigotry?

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            The best prof. to comment on this would be Chefena or others in his profession; if they want to chop-in.

            Otherwise it tend to initiate an avalanche of unsubstantiated guss.

            Thanks

          • Paulos

            Selam Mez,

            Are you saying that, it is so difficult for a question and, it takes a Prof. of some sort to answer the question? I believe, Aya Saleh has addressed the issue adequately with in historical context in his earlier comment.

          • Mez

            Hi Paulos,

            You may have a valid point, hard to tell.

            But I would stay with my idea above.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            When Mez referring us to someone who could give us more explanation is not bad. Because some could be satisfied with the explanation we get, like yourself, and some don’t. So to get more info about it, is an added value to the knowledge of the subject. The only problem is: Is Dr Chefena reading our debate so he could enlighten us on the subject.

          • cool

            johar
            you meant the lady is from gindae
            question : why was she not advocating for tigre language instead of arabic?

          • Saleh Johar

            Cool,
            She was not advocating but in a way explaining that a big portion of Eritreans feel betrayed and excluded. I agree with her. I also thing we should not raise issues if they do not concern personally. In a nation, every citizen complains about the issues of others. I complain about the prisoners but it doesn’t mean I have a direct relative imprisoned. If we are motivated by individual interest at the expense of national issues, we are not good citizens. Look at it in that way. I also wish you would advocate for the issues of your compatriots. Compartmentalism is the cause of divisions. Think about it. she speaks Tigrinya better than some native speakers and whatever the situation she can cope well. If she was selfish, she would have cared for the grievances of her compatriots.

          • cool

            johar,
            you said” I agree with her. I also think it is wrong to say we should not raise issues if they do not concern personally. In a nation, every citizen complains about the issues of others.”
            You are kindly requested to elaborate who are the “others”
            do we have any ethnic group who have arabc as a mother tongue?

    • Teodros Alem

      selam cool
      try to learn the relationship between Islam and Arabic, and try to learn the history of Arabic and horn of africa, even at the time of emperor tewodros and as the time of emperor fasil dynasty Arabic considered as second language of the government.
      2nd, false history is a sign of feel low inside u , so try to boost ur self-esteem.

      • cool

        fake news!

        • Teodros Alem

          selam cool
          which one?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Teodros Alem,

            If you don’t mind it, Mr. Teodros, could you provide us with copies or links.

            Al-Arabi

          • Teodros Alem

            selam arabi
            sorry i can’t, don’t have the documents or the links, u have to go to lake tana monasteries or ask somebody who knows about it , ask eyob medehane(the forumer here), i think he posted one of tewodros’s letter here in awate long time ago.

          • cool

            teodros
            pls stop fake news , in ethiopa arabs are considered as men dressing womens costume(famouse mengistu speech”jelebia lebashoch”)let alone to use their language as national Language.
            I always demonstrate contempt for arab culture and tradition because of their backwardness (despite the natural wealth) and their barbaric mentality.If this is low self esteem ,i am not sure if you really understand what is low self esteem. i recommend you to catch up with psycology lessons
            .It is funny to obeserve that a part of eritrean society(moslems) are obsessed with arab traditon even if they are labeled by them as “Abed”(slaves)

            cool

          • Teodros Alem

            selam cool
            1, i know mengistu has said a lot of bad things but i don’t think he said what u said he said, most probably u(shabia and woyane) r the one who said this kind of stuff as if mengistu said it, for obvious reason.
            2, i know some ethiopians(muslim and Christian) used to had grudge because of “fiteha negest”, gragn ahmed, yohanes, wube …..
            3,when i say work on ur self-esteem, i was talking about ur false history telling.
            4,the worst culture is UR hate culture.
            5,the relationship between Arabic and Tewodros/fasil, it is a fact .
            6, there is a ethiopian saying “saw tera belut, rasu metta………” stop dying crossing red sea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Cool,
            Do you happen to know half the population of Eritrea is “Jelabiya lebasoch”? Would you check the meaning of bigotry for your own good!

          • cool

            johar,
            i have nothing against jelabya, it was just a quotation

          • Saleh Johar

            Cool,
            Right you don’t have anything against Jelabiya, and it shows.

    • bmi1

      Eritrea is producing more refugees than ever.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Ibrahim, Solomon and all,

    It is not sometime good to interject between two fellow forumers engaging one another on crucial matter. In this case an author of a front article and a potent rejoinder by a reader. One has to allow the debate to proceed a bit, especially when the latter has posed key questions as GitSAtSE has done. My point here is intervening could drift the discussion to side issues at its formative stage.

    So, having this in mind, I would like to keep my self to two matters, which I think the two gentlemen may wish to consider. I may probably rejoin the discussion later on and share my modest bit.

    1. At this point in time, in relation to the struggle for change, the counselling narratives have been addressing dispersed stakeholders separately. I mean these are being told who the enemy is and what they should do to deal with it. But, I believe convergence of discourses on the issue of change is no longer an imagination. Pressing necessity is having its effect.

    2. A crucial matter which missing hitherto from the narratives is telling the stakeholders how they can establish the crucial agency (platform and leadership) to manage the launching and consummation of the revolution stage as Ibrahim has argued.

  • Selamat Ibrahim Tada,

    “The revolution stage is not a period of partisanship, peddling ideologies, ethnicities, religions, regions, or any sort of competition.”

    And indeed Eritreans Today are on “The revolution stage.” You have hit the hammer on the nail by initiating THE REAL CONVERSATIONS we Eritreans should be having at this very moment. I have just finished viewing Eritreans in Southern California YiAkil gathering. I thought their declarations after providing a concise assessment of Eritrea was atop all of the other YiAkil gatherings I have been following. They seem to laser sharp focused on the revolution stage.
    You have covered a lot which I will love to address shortly. Right now allow me to try and tie up the recent articles here on Awate. You see I have been a tiny bit perplexed by the timing of Burhan Ali’s “Eritrea and the Oromo Empire” as well as the nearly identical follow up of Yohannes Zerai’s “Ethic-Eritrean Rapprochement.” I felt, perhaps, both are not consistent with the Revolution Stage though I have and will give all effort to tie these articles or see how they fit into the current Eritrean Revolution Stage.
    I also have this eerie feeling as if I am personally being shadowed. It has to do with an Ethiopian Phd Chemist I met in Albany, NY at a coffee shop. As we were a handful of Eritreans and Ethiopians in the Albany environs, after our mutual recognition of one another as kin folks, I extended the invitation for him to join my family for lunch or dinner. This was circa 1996. The Israel educated Phd Chemist leading a project for the GE Corp. soon confided to me that he was a very very close friend of the late PM Meles Zenawi. So close that when he travels to Ethiopia, the PM sends his personal vehicle to receive him from the air port at Bolie and straight to the palace would be driven my new found acquaintance. Regrettably I forget the gentleman’s name as it has been nearly Twenty Years since I saw him, but I do recall two things he told me. The first is about the very close relationship he and the late PM Meles Zenawi forged at the prestigious Wingate high school. Hence, my eerie feeling of being shadowed event Today. And the second was about how we Eritreans and Tigrayans should not fall into the trap the Amhara were setting for us which was to create the environment of us fighting and destroying one another. I did not necessarily agree fully with his ominous warning and his suggestion of both of us strengthening our relationship is not necessarily harmful. I was uncomfortable with his very relaxed and confident identification of the Amhara as a “clear and present danger” enemy of both of us Eritreans and Tigreans. I chose to be polite and agree partially with his statements. I remembered the gentleman because Denmarkino AArkey Professor Paulos is directing our attention to Gen. Wingate and his dying camels from the Sudan now given attention on CMM and Lemon’s permanent fixture guest. It is possible due to my being a lay person there are concepts that escape my understandings at times. However, as of right now with regards to Burhan Ali’s and Yohannes Zerai’s concerns of the expansionist or irredentists Ethiopians, I fully believe Eritreans are in possession of a win win and amicable lasting solutions that will be acceptable by all parties without any reservations.
    1. I tell the above winding story to bring to your attention that perhaps our revolution stage could have more than just one and only one enemy.
    2. You mentioned Hamasien land in your hypothetical example above. And so I ask you weather the Eritrean low lands emptied in 1967 and the top prioritization of the return of the Eritrean refugees in the Sudan can be categorized as part of the revolution stage or is it an issue belonging to specific political party or partisanship and should be dealt with post the revolution stage.
    3. What are your views and suggestions for the Eritrean YiAkil maEbel vis-a-vis the bringing all Eritreans coming under ONE umbrella for this critical Revolution Stage? Do you have any opinions on the consistency or lack thereof of the recent Eritrean discourse in various media outlets including here at Awate?
    4. Finally I just observed Mr. Yosief Gebrehiwet commencing a youtube video blitz starting with Part 1 titled “kab hillew kunetat hagernan kebabiAn.” At least he said “Hagernan” but the “kebabiAn” concerns me as it could be a major diversionary and sinister tool to distract Eritreans from focusing on their critical current Eritrean Revolutionary Stage.

    Kubur Haw Ibrahim Tada my impression of my first read of you in the above article is that you are the sort of Eritrean that I can confidently be part of the same political party in the next stage after this critical Revolution Stage. And I so very hope you are of the opinion that the issue of the resettlement of the 1967 Eritrean refugees is of the highest priority in this very critical and current Eritrean Revolution Stage.
    After a little rest, I will return to mine from the very rich menu or relevant concepts you have brought up in the above article, as well as to tie up or make sense or give more clarity to what I have just written.

    Regards,

    tSAtSE