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Shots Fired, Stoning in Eritrea’s Capital

Black Sunday

On Sunday, April 3, in the Shuq area of Asmara, Eritrean soldiers escorting convoys of conscripts opened fire on young recruits and civilians, killing and injuring an undisclosed number.

The conscripts were en-route from training camps in Western Eritrea to Assab where they were, allegedly, to work as laborers in a planned Emirati construction of the Assab-Massawa road.

It all started at Bloco Keren (Mai Temenai area of Asmara) when two conscripts jumped off the truck they were on and were immediately killed.

The drivers had been given strict instructions to not stop under any circumstance and the convoy continued on its journey.

What appears to have been an isolated incident at Bloco Keren was followed by a planned escape in Shuq, in the crowded downtown Asmara: allegedly, some of the conscripts had told their friends and family to wait for them and whisk them away as they jumped off the trucks. A large group of families and friends cramped the Shuq area waiting for their loved ones. When they saw the approaching truck, young friends of the conscripted used the city’s red bus to block the convoy. With the convoy stopped, many conscripts jumped off their trucks, to join awaiting family and friends–and that’s when the guards opened fire at the conscripts, their families and friends.

The number of dead is unknown but assenna.com and erena.org, who first reported the story, indicate that there were four casualties.

What appears to have made matters worse is that the guards, who were operating under strict instructions to not stop under any condition, ran over a young conscript who had fallen face first as he tried to jump off his truck.

This resulted in an already-tragic situation descending into chaos: the gathered crowd screamed in shock at the sight of a truck deliberately running over an unconscious person and killing him.

An enraged crowd started throwing rocks at the convoys and the kalay medeber (2nd station) police were called to pacify the chaos. In the melee, a police van was totally demolished.

Many of the wounded were taken to Halibet Hospital.

The “National Security” office has begun an investigation and, if past is prologue, the investigation will focus exclusively on identifying and enforcing the disappearance of the “ring leaders”, many of whom are ordinary mothers from Asmara neighborhoods.

The incident has not been reported by government-owned media.

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  • Hope

    Selam Yohannes:
    A Nice rebutal but let us be realistic here:
    No one is saying that the measure taken by the Captain and his subordinates was ‘legitimate” or right.
    What some people here are saying is that the circumstance in Eritrea in genral and the situation on Sunday in particular should be considered and what you guiys are talking about is in an ideal Democratic situation.
    As far as your assertion denying that in the West No Law Enforcement will chase you or shoot you if you run away when the Officer asks you to do so is but naivityy.Where do you live in the west.
    It is a Modus Operandi in the USA and it was said that about 1000 Blacks were victims of use of unnecessary deadly force against unarmed Youth in the last 1-2 years or so,which I thought was exaggerated.

    • Yohannes

      Hello Hope,
      I didn’t have to see the situation against an ideally democratic setting to strongly condemn it. Are you suggesting we go something like…:yeah, this is Eritrea, what do you expect..
      True, there ain’t no perfect democracy and even in the West transgressions happen…and of course many cases of black people and the police. Yet, you know the reaction both from the public and administration when such incidents happen. But, no matter what, let’s not lower the bars we measure human life, with this we-are-not-there-yet excuses. And more so, when we know this is not the first and last killing by this group.

  • Hope

    Mahmud:
    Let me confuse you all here.
    Your initial response is near perfect but will comment on it separately.
    Let me ask you this:
    First off,we are in talking about current Eritrea.
    In such a dangerous case scenario where the conscripts were trying to run away in all directions and if you were the assigned EPLFite Captain to take care of those Conscripts,what would you do,considering all things,including that when your life becomes at risk and being stoned from all directions?
    This is NOT to justify the deadly measure taken by the Captain but to argue from practical point of view,not from emotional point of view.
    He /Semere gave you the case scenario of the allegedly most democratic country in the world…
    But then you tried to compare the apples with oranges and accused Nittric for not being rational in our case .
    Nittric told you the Law of the Land here in the USA is that if you do not obey and run away while a Police Officer is advising you to stop,well,the Police Officier has a Legal Right to take an action but not necessarily to shoot you randomly.Again it is unfair to compare the USA with Eritrea at this point in all aspects.
    My arguement here is NOT to justify the brutal action of the Captain but to argue from practical aspect of the scenario.
    BTW,the Ethiopians here are amusing us as if the Oromo Lives do not matter and as if the lives of missing more than a Million Amharas do not matter.
    You asked good questions that you know the answers well as an X-EPLF Vet,where the Halewa Sewra led by the EPRP(EritreanRevolutionary Party,aka,The EPLF Secret Party) Leadership decimated cold-bloodedly more than 2-3,000 Innocent Eritreans and more than top 30-50 Eritrean Intellectuals and Commanders durining Sewra and now,more than 35 Colonels and more than 6 generals died mysteriously besides the G-15,Journalists,many Christians and Muslims and their Leaders,Doctors,and more than 10,000 Eritreans are in prisons.
    This is not to mention the near collapsed economy and corrupted Health and Education System besides the mismanagemet of our huge and untapped resources.
    We have known these facts from the beginning but we have failed to take an action but WHY?
    We were even told that the Baduma war purposely intiated by PIA/Wuchu for some weirdo reason but PIA also publically declared saying :”Let them (the Warsay)try what we went through in the Field”.
    The whole Exodus saga was said to be the work of conspiracy to get rid of the Youth and the Students to strenghten his power.
    The EPRP Leadership and its Puppets designed all this in the filed,we are told.
    This was manifested by the clear animosity between the PFDJ System and its enablers on one side and the Public on the other side and discrepancy of administration business was clear after Independence.
    The private economic sector freezing emantes from this agenda to weaken any able Eritrean Business world.
    The Asmera univ incident is related to this eventhoigh there was some problems from the Students themselves.
    -The seriousness of the animosity popped up during the border war and in sawa where there was literally a civil war between the Warsays and the Yikaalos,which most likely was seeded in by the same EPRP /PFDJLeadership.
    My point:
    You all knew ahead of time and we also knew it ahead of time.
    Now,belatedly all the EPRP/PFDJ Enablers and executors are running away and crying crocodile tears after all things happened and after the nation is near collapsing.
    Hence,our struggle shoult be:
    TO ACT NOW and remove the culprit NOW…late better than never.
    In this case, I agree with Hayat Adem but the surgical removal should be done by Eritreans.
    But why haven’t we done it yet and why has it taken us 25 yrs after we lost more than 300,000 Youth from Exodus,thousands from death(more than 8,000 documented deaths at Sinai,and Sahara deserts and the Mediteranean Sea and hundreds of Eritreans Elites and Commanders in vain,thousands of deaths at home at home?
    Who is to blame?
    The likes of Hope and dawit or the Ghetebs,the Teds,the Peaces,the Nittrics,etc..as enablers of the PFDJ/Huh,may be? Tel lthat to the teses,the salihs,the amans,the kokhobs ,etc..but the TRUTH of the MATTER is that al Eritreans should be blamed for and shouild be responsible and accountable.
    That should be the topic of debate ,as to why we have failed thus far despite all the unheard of atrocitied incurred upon us by ONE individual along with few crownies.The topic should not be about PIA is that or that or cursing PIA.We know who he is and what his agenda is.
    What is ouir role then as he knows his role and he is doing it well.Are we?
    Tewelde Ghebremariam,are you there?
    This is funny:
    When I returned home from Israel/Tel Aviv University,my Senior EPLF TegadlitAunt cursed me as to why I am back to this country?
    This was in 1993 or so.I was frozen and speechless and asked why she said that.
    Her answer?:” None of your business”.Get lost from here and do something abroad”.
    “Botta yebilkumin muhurat enna behalti Eritreawin mis enda shaebia”.
    The Tigray-Tigrigni issue was openly discussed among the PFDJ members in 1995 or so in Washington DC.I was a PFDJ “Insider” at that time.. and guess what only 29% of Daispora Eritreans were paying the 2% Rehab Tax.
    More funny,the top shimaghiles were not paying a penny?//???
    Sem Andom the crooked is right most of the time as well as Attorney Ghezae Hagos.
    Guad Abi:
    Tewelde Ghebremariam is right but PMMZ messed up things for good..
    That is/was exactly the Long Term agenda of the EPRP-PFDJ Leadership.
    SGJ is teling me that I am a PFDJ Supporter.Huhuh,yewahinet?
    My Dear SGJ,just do your Eri business by staying away from the Crooked TPLF if you are involved with them one way or another.
    They are evil and do NOT trust them. do not be surprised if still PIA is working secretly with Aboy Sibhat Negga et al.
    -The conspiracy of Baduma
    -The conspiracy of Aseb Port
    -The Conspiracy of Demhit
    -The conspiracy of freezing down the Eri Natural Resources
    -the conspiracy of the Eri Youth Exodus
    -the Conspiracy of decimating exclusively the top Eri Intellectuals,Commanders and Elites and keeping /saving exclusively of the Tigreyan Origin Clique per the Controversial Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie
    etc–have to do with some thing we Eritreans are not aware of as of yet.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan Hope
      Let me start with this quote from your reply:
      “In such a dangerous case scenario where the conscripts were trying to run away in all directions and if you were the assigned EPLFite Captain to take care of those Conscripts,what would you do,considering all things,including that when your life becomes at risk and being stoned from all directions?
      This is NOT to justify the deadly measure taken by the Captain but to argue from practical point of view,not from emotional point of view.”
      Here, I see you unsettled. I will tell you why.
      a. You are setting a scenario where the “EPLFite Captain” and his escorting/guarding soldiers became under attack by stone throwing mob. It’s clear that you are making this setup to argue that the shooting was reasonable, done in self-defense. Yes/no?
      b. But, then, you go on stating that you don’t justify the action of the captain. Well, if you believe the captain and his soldiers became under attack, then you have to follow it up with a statement that you see it as justifiable action, because anyone who is under life threatening attack has the right to defend himself/herself. However, the information I’m getting, either from opposition news outlets, or independently, affirm the fact that the soldiers shoot to kill unarmed escaping conscripts. Whatever melee that might have followed was an effect of the shooting. So, there is a case of cause and effect here. There is no information that shows that the soldiers came under any threatening state. There was confusion and utter detest and a lot of ” እዋይ ደቀይ…” and a lot of ” ኣሕዋትኩም’ንዶ ኣይኮኑን? እንታይ ወሪዱኩም?” pleas coming out amid the wailing and cries of shocked residents who witnessed the shooting and subsequent casualties. I think this answers your question.
      Now, let’s take this a bit farther. I argue that this is not an isolated incident triggered by a bad judgement of a trigger happy Captain, but a pattern of a regime that has ruled Eritrea un-elected for the past 25 years. You have made a litany of accusations against the regime that supports my argument that says this is not an isolated incident but an incident that should be seen within the continuum of the behavior that defines the regime. The regime has long established a behavior of impunity, and that behavior permeates throughout its body, its brain, blood, and soul; its Generals, politicians, cadres, and soldiers.
      I agree with most of the content of your reply, particularly those exposing the actions of the regime and the intentions as to why it does what it does….The two examples, or analogies, I brought that you found unbefitting are not that important.
      I brought the USA incident to illustrate that sometimes people defy authorities. The lady defied the orders of the officer knowing that she could be shot on the spot or be taken to a jail. People disobey bad laws. People break laws if they feel those laws are unjust. That’s called disobedience. In societies were there is rule of law, authorities take proportional measures. For instance, the escaping conscripts were very few and would have been apprehended the next day. Even if there is no way of apprehending them, is shooting a fleeing conscript, in peacetime, a proportional measure, or justified? I don’t think so. Another important point is this: in such a scenario, I believe, the burden of proving that the action was justified should be placed on the authorities. As you know, the authorities would not say a word if the opposition did not give the story due attention. You saw how the embassy guys in London were trying to shut citizens off. What they did not know is that a circular was about to be dispatched to them admitting that the shooting indeed took place albeit trivializing it and shifting the blame away from the perpetrator(s).
      The Tunizia example was brought to show that there is a day when citizens get fed up and begin defying authorities. History would not has reached 2016 if the people did not defy rules of slavery, or the rules of the church during the renaissance, or the rules of feudal systems which ushered the capitalist system; or the rule of Ethiopian occupation which triggered the Eritrean Revolution, etc. Revolutions and actions of disobedience are all forms of breaking unjust laws. There will be a day when the laws of PFDJ are shattered to pieces. I agree that in order to make that day come faster, we need to cross political fences and try to reach out to each other.
      Regards.

      • Hope

        Ahlen Back to You Ya Ustaz Mahmud:
        Thanks for your feedback.
        My intention was NOT to counter-challenge you but to express my SOLIDARITY to/with you in a coded manner so that I will not expose my positive bias towards you.
        But was also trying to be realistic and practical based on “the facts on the ground”.
        Rest assured though,that I am more than “settled” as far as my position,stand and impression about that sad incident is concerned.
        There is/was NO EXCUSE or JUSTIFICATION what-so-ever for it but I just hate judging on and concluding hectically as I am not a Politician and things happen like this incident every where in the world ,not just in Eritrea,Ethiopia,Tunisia or at The Tahrir Square of Egypt.
        As @hawilti tweeted back to the poor Minister,we only went crazy as it happened publically.
        The death toll among the Conscripts due to lots of reasons in Sawa and in the Defense Lines and in the Warsay ‘Nation Building” activity is but unheard of.
        My major concern is that as to why we have not done a thing thus far since we have known these ATROCITIES since zemene ennini.
        The Topic of the Debate should FOCUS on that “Concern”.

        • tes

          Selam Hope,

          You wrote:

          “There is/was NO EXCUSE or JUSTIFICATION what-so-ever for it but I just hate judging on and concluding hectically as I am not a Politician and things happen like this incident every where in the world ,not just in Eritrea,Ethiopia,Tunisia or at The Tahrir Square of Egypt.”

          Let me break this paragraph:

          1. There is/was NO EXCUSE or JUSTIFICATION what-so-ever for it.

          OK.

          2. [but] I just hate judging on and concluding hectically as I am not a Politician

          Here you negated your first sentence by putting ‘But”. More than that no one is asking you to judge or no one is judging. You had two options: either to express your solidarity with the victims or keep silent. Instead, you supported arguments given by Gheteb &/or Ghetcah &/or Ghesret and Semere Tesfai. Hence your stand is very clear.

          It is very funny when you say that you are not a politician. Who else is a politician more than you? You are a master of confusion and destructive approaches. Your consistency on

          3. Things happen like this incident every where in the world, not just in Eritrea,Ethiopia,Tunisia or at The Tahrir Square of Egypt.

          Just for the sake of argument:

          Well, even stoning happen every where in the world, right? Your uncle’s tragedy is not new. Everywhere in the world, thousands of people die through stoning in secret places.

          Hope, can’t you stop acting being against justice?

          tes

          • Hope

            Selamat tes:
            Congrats for your “Advanced Technical English” tes, and credit should go to Prof Gheteb,the real Prof, indeed for teaching you something.
            Yes,I am NOT a Politician to politicize issues in the name of “Justice Seeking”..
            I will never buy any thing that comes form the Puppet and Opportunist Media Outlets let alone to rush into hectic judgements and conclusions.
            Shall I depend on and trust hassina.com or “asmarino”.com,a copy of aiga forum,financed and sponsored by Western Intelligence Services trying to mislead us using original Eritrean Names?
            Hell bent NO!
            Aren’t you aware that almost all the Major Pseudo-Eritrean Webistes are Either:
            -Ethiopian Friendly
            -Ethiopian Sponsored and/or
            -That follw commands and take orders from the very bloody enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans???
            -Western Intelligence Services Sponsored and Funded
            You need proofs?
            Check with the NDE( National Demcoratic Endowment) and the Stratford “Private” USA Inteligence Service and/or the M-16 through Patrick Gilks and Martin Plat,the De Facto Lobbyists and Ambassadors of the TPLF Government.
            I hope you are NOT on their Payroll-WATCH OUT tes ,Deki Blen and Kerenites do NOT get involved in such activities of Treason and Opportunism.
            As far as my choices,stand,position and Independent Thought Process are concerned,you have NO right to tell me what to do and what not.
            Is that what you heard from Ato Salih Ghadi Johar?
            i respect your stand and ideology and I expect you to do so…..
            BUT,it is none of your business to dig deep as to who I am and what I follow and believe in!
            No,I am who I am,besides being a Stubborn,Truthful,Principled Kerenite and Blenay and by my own very nature.
            I depend on and believe in ” Evidence-based Medicine”, and as such,I see things, judge and conclude/deduct from that PERSPECTIVE as I have an Ethical/Moral Obligation to do so.
            -Yes to Eritrean Solutions for Eritrean Problems by Eritreans!
            -NO to the politically motivated and enemy sponsored Sanctions and the SEMGs and the COIEs!
            -Yes to the Independent and Legitimate Criminal Investigations and Prosecution of the Criminals.

          • tes

            Selam Hope,

            In fact I was forced to teach you a good lesson that you won’t forget and somehow I can some positive result. Being a cadre and six years teaching experience has provided me enough tools to penetrate your FelaQ head.

            Stay around anyway!

            Aytiseanu mechem ezom tereferef Esepan hji dma weytotat hgdef zikonkum

            tes

          • saay7

            Hi Tes:

            I don’t want to get in the middle of your feud: just wanted to say I hadn’t heard “felaQ” in a very long time. Is “Negnag” next?

            Saay

          • tes

            Selam saay7,

            ንሆፕ ደኣ ኩሉ የምሕረሉ ብዘይካ ፍትሒ ምዝራብ።

            ነዚ ፈላቕ ርእሱ ኣብ ኮንቱ ዝኾነ ኣምልኾ ህግደፍ የባኽኖ እንሆ። ኣየ’ወ ኣብቲ ዳንከራ እንተትርእዮ ነዚ ነግናግ ሆፕ። ብዓርሰይኮ ነግናግ ሰብ ዘይፈቱ።

            tes

          • Hope

            Hahah Tes the PFDJ Cadre!
            Felak Ghenghan Riisi Eti’abirsi is your head as confirmed by your picture!
            The reason Deki Blen are Super Intelligent is coz they hold some extra brain tissue in that Felak head!
            Go to bed man it is 1am Paris time unless u R wining the Red French Wine!

  • Abraham H.

    ሰላምታ
    ነቶም ብፋሽሽታዊ ስርዓት ኢሳያስ ሂወቶም ዝሰኣኑ ደቂ አርትራ መንግስተ ሰማይ ይቀበሎም። ነቶም ጉድኣት ዝበጽሖም ከኣ ምሕረት የውርድ። ንስድራቤቶምን ምሉአ ፈታው ሰላም ዝኾነ ህዝቢ አርትራ ድማ ጽንዓት ይሃብ።

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi Abraham H (Hanibal),

      Is that what the Medrek folks are reduced to saying now? Their imagination has been working overtime in the past couple of days churning out all manners of fictitious reports from the GoE/PFDJ inner workings. I guess reality has finally caught up with you guys so much so that you are reduced to offering your condolences belatedly and after your “stories’ have failed to gain traction with the Eritrean public at large.

      I mean they were at it reporting about a “presidential circular” as if they were sitting behind PIA when he was penning the presidential directives. Not only that, your Medrek folks had the audacity to claim and report about “a secret meeting” of high level PFDJ cadres meeting that was held in Embatkala.

      Well, what can one say save to wonder what an overactive and highly ‘imaginative’ can produce a work of fiction and try to purvey and hawk it to the public.

      I say how aptly the Tigrigna adage exemplifies all the hoopla that you and your types have been spouting this week. ” ስንቅን ሓሶትን አናሓድረ ይፎክስ”.

      • Abraham H.

        Hi Gheteb,
        I don’t know why all this hallusination from your side. Who told you I’m a member or part of the Medrek? That is what is called an “imaginative mind” to borrow your own words. Fact is, I’ve nothing to do with Medrek, but, of course, everything to do with all Eritreans who seek and work to free their people from the bondage of your master Isayas Afewerki.
        If there is anything I could understand from your “hateftef”, the recent efforts by Medrek to strengthen the opposition to the dictatorship in Eritrea are, indeed, giving the PFDJ gangs a headache and strong sense of unease.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Abraham H,

          I didn’t say that you are a card carrying member of Mederk, but you have been repeating the same nonsense that they have been mouthing and hence whether you like it or not you are a bird of a feather with them.

          You say:

          ” the recent efforts by Medrek to strengthen the opposition to the dictatorship in Eritrea are, indeed, giving the PFDJ gangs a headache and strong sense of unease”.

          You won’t say Abraham H! Really? Are you that untethered from the Eritrean history and reality? How long has it been since “the opposition to the dictatorship” talking about “strengthening” their efforts against “the PFDJ gangs”?

          Is that 15 or 20 years? Man, that is a heckuva of a time for you, your Mederk and the Eritrean opposition not to show any meaningful result to write home about.

          Let alone The Jonny Come Lately and political whippersnappers like you, even the likes of professor Medhane Tesfatsion who have been at the spearhead of the Eritrean opposition have belatedly realized the nefarious agendas of the perfidious Weyanes and are now openly calling on the Eritrean opposition groups to dissociate themselves from the detestable Weyanes.

          Alas, though, that is too late and too little and 15 years late to bring back to life the Eritrean opposition from it’s moribund state. The Eritrean opposition were warned by the likes of ‘Gheteb back in 1999-2000 to distance themselves from the execrable Weyanes and they gave our pleas a deaf ear and no wonder that they are finding themselves these days face to face with ‘the political Grim Reaper’.

        • tes

          Selam Abraham H.,

          He is back again to divert the focus. Can you ignore him SEVERELY please for this hataf?

          tes

          • Abraham H.

            ሰላም ተስ
            እንዳ ፈለጠ ዘስቀጠ ከተበራብሮ፥ አናፈለጠ ዝጋገ ክትእርሞ ስለዘይከኣል፥ ነዚ ሰብ ጎሲኻዮ ምሕላፍ ይሓይሽ፥ ሓቅኻ ተስ።

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Ab Hanibal:
          Are you aware that Gheteb is now called Sirak?
          Can you remind Sirak, Gheteb to offer condolences even to people you never looked eye to eye is very Eritrean, nay, it is very human trait. With that also remind him that it was his ilk who openly declared that “we should not attend the funerals and weddings of opposition.” The fact that Sirak fasciculate from head toe when her read your benign, unifying and very human comment speaks volumes about the mental state of all PFDJ supported, unhinged easily comes to mind.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Abraham H,

          Here is the proof that what you wrote about “the condolence” is the same like what the folks in Mederk have broadcasted sending their “condolences”.

          https://www.erimedrek.com/2016/04/%e1%8d%95%e1%88%ae%e1%8c%8d%e1%88%ab%e1%88%9d-%e1%88%ac%e1%8b%b5%e1%8b%ae-%e1%88%98%e1%8b%b5%e1%88%a8%e1%8a%bd%e1%8d%a1-%e1%8b%93%e1%88%ad%e1%89%a2-08-%e1%88%9a%e1%8b%ab%e1%8b%9d%e1%8b%ab-2016/

          Well, what else can I say save ….

          ” If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck”.

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            I can see now why you have rich English (Latinized vocabulary). It is simply because you copy things as they are without thinking.

            ===Break==
            On my way, just some drops

            Being from Bhre Jeberti, at least I expected some wisdom learned from Quran is within your heart. By implication, I assumed that you were good in reciting Sura/verses from Quran as I know very well the good hearted and peace loving Jeberti people of my home village. To my disappointment you have no trace of it.

            ===End of Break==

            What Abraham Hanibal said is a very common line of expressing condolence. And in Eritrean culture, there are repeated expressions. What Abraham added is “…ብፋሽሽታዊ ስርዓት ኢሳያስ…. Without this expression, the sentence is also complete and here it is:

            ነቶም [ብፋሽሽታዊ ስርዓት ኢሳያስ…] ሂወቶም ዝሰኣኑ ደቂ አርትራ መንግስተ ሰማይ ይቀበሎም። ነቶም ጉድኣት ዝበጽሖም ከኣ ምሕረት የውርድ። ንስድራቤቶምን ምሉአ ፈታው ሰላም ዝኾነ ህዝቢ አርትራ ድማ ጽንዓት ይሃብ።

            Why are you then associating him with Medrek? Is it because of the same word use?

            Oh, Gosh!!!

            tes

            +I am just exposing Gheteb or/& Ghesret hollow argument. I don’t have any business with Abraham Hanibal’s status. I am building a counter argument for the sake of exposing.

    • Sarah Ogbay

      ሰላም አብርሃም
      አሜን። ንዓና ድማ ንፍትሒን ንሰላምን ብተግባር ክንቃለስን ዕድመ ምልኪ ከነሕጽርን ልቦናን ትብዓትን ይሃበና!!

      • Abraham H.

        ሰላማት ሳራ፥
        ሓቂ ንምዝራብ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ በዞም ዘይረብሑ ዉሑዳት ንክንድዚ ዝኣክል ግዜ ጂሆ ክተሓዝ ከሎ ኣዝዩ የሕዝን። እቲ ሓደን መወዳእታን ፍታሕ ከምዚ ዝበልኪዮ፥ ኩሉ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ሓቢሩ፥ ንኣሽቱ ካልኣዊ ጉዳያት ኣወጊኑ፥ ብሓባር ነቲ ቀዳማይ ጸላኢ ጸቢብ ጉጅለ ኢሳያስ ምስ ዝቃለሶ ጥራይ ኢዩ።

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello All,

    Someone, obviously a friend, texted the following without the usual greeting which led me to believe that it is being distributed to everyone.

    “Hello all i hope this message finds you well. Today 4/9/16 having fun night with life music by the legend Tefono and delicious foods at asmera bar lounge inside ecccc. Lets have fun and enjoy the night.”

    I am not sure if this is meant to wash away the recent shootout news from Asmara, but I remembered the Wedi Tikabo – Lampedusa tragedy, and it is disturbing. Is it becoming a culture now to sing and be merry every time there is a disaster?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Fanti,
      That is also one way of cheating self. Have you experienced during your childhood when you try to forget something that makes you terrorized? But this time PFDJ is like the donkey who try to cover her eyes by her long ears so to say ” I didn’t see you and you didn’t see me” when the lion approach her. “ኣያ ኣምበሳ ኣንተም ኣላየሀኝም እኔም እኮ ኣላየሁህም ” ኣለች ኣሉ :: ራስን ማታለል ይሉሃል ይህ ነው :: but the lion is already there to eat the entire PFDJ. Lol..

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Amanuel Hidrat, Mahmud Saleh, Yohanes, Kokhob, AOsman And PTS

    I think I’m wired differently. But let me try again.

    Just for the sake of argument, let’s say Eritrea is a democratic country in every way imaginable – it is a country with a constitution, with rule of law, with an elected government that enjoys over ninety percent approval rating. The PFDJ regime is defeated, the PFDJ infrastructure is dismantled, the PFDJ low and mid-level cadres are weeded-out (arrested), the PFDJ top leaders are sent to the ICC to face justice, national service is reduced to two years……… basically it is all happy dancing allover the nation.

    One day, an idiot army General(s) instructed a batch of army-recruits who completed their training to pass through the middle of Asmara (in broad daylight) on their way to Assab (for their two year national service). Well, in the middle of Asmara, some idiot young recruits jumped from the trucks and runaway to avoid national service. Then an idiot security officer warned them to stop, and when they didn’t, he ordered his unit to shoot. Some runaway but there were also casualties (from the recruits and civilians).

    So, few days later, you have a DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT in every conceivable way running a country, a General(s) who is/are negligent (gave wrong instruction), a security officer who ordered to shoot, a crew who fired their guns at the order of their superior(s), injured and dead recruits who were shot while running-away to avoid national service, civilians injured and dead while helping their children escape, civilians injured and dead caught in the middle, loving parents who were caught at their home hiding their children to avoid national service.

    Now tell me: what would have done your democratic government, if this was to happen on its watch? Please, please, please…. just a simple answer. Please articulate your response. No Gual Neger. Stop beating around the bush. Make your case, as how it ought to be handled.

    Thank you?

    Semere Tesfai

    • AOsman

      Dear Semere ,

      You are wired differently as you assumed full legitimacy to the regime, it’s policy and actions. Your second attempt is that you are creating a scenario that fit your plug and you want to wire us too ;).

      In the democratic country there will be no forced national service. Consider that chapter History.

      The government will have to go for voluntary recruitment and that will mean no attempted escape, no need to take drastic action and end of story. (Look at many neighbouring countries if you need example)

      We don’t need to rush to be Singapore (that BS is not a vison), let development go slow, let people live in peace without harassement and let them chart the future. I have no doubt that Eritrea will develop at better pace without the stifling government control that we see.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam ASman

        “In the democratic country there will be no forced national service.”

        You’re dead wrong. National service has nothing, nothing to do with democracy. It has everything to do with national security. And the threat to Eritrea’s national security is as real as a heart attack.

        Semere Tesfai

        • tes

          Selam Semere Tesfai,

          I think you are missing one important point:

          Obligation and forced are two different things. Based on security reason a country might have an obligatory National service but not forced.

          Obligation is based on a law but forced is not. In case, let me remind you this: “Anything that use force is illegal.”

          tes

        • AOsman

          Dear Semere,

          Who will be judging that Eritrea’s national security and size of army to maintain. A one man goverment or a democratically elected government.

          I know Ethiopia gives you sleepless nights and you are telling us we are doomed to be ruled by that paranoid mentality.

          While you thinking of beefing up your security, well they are playing a better game of winning hearts and I don’t know how you will fight that once you start to loose the confidence in bulk by certain ethnic groups.

          I will vote for the party that says no more compulsory military service and I believe the majority will do so…Semere you can vote those who will try to leave the status quo and we will see.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Hope

            Selam AOsman:
            Are you telling me thatthe Ethiopian Gov is not a threat to Eritrea?
            BTW,you never talk about that threat,which is public on a day light,not to mention all the open Policy of economic sanction against Eritrea.Can I ask you why?

          • Hope

            Hey AOsman:
            The Judge is contingent on the National Security Threat from outsiders.Don’t you believe that the current threat by the TPLF Gov is a Threat?

          • AOsman

            Dear Hope,

            The national service policy was deviced while PFDJ was in bed with TPLF. The man at the helm has been waging wars with all our neighbours and the Hopes without a question have accepted all his excesses under the cover of NST.

            Since Ethiopia is in your equation…what’s their number 80 or 100 million and ever increasing, think about it with your NST you have condemned Eritrean youth in a perpetual enslavement as you cannot see a condition where you live in peace with all your neighbours. A life under constant fear..that is really sad.

            As for your follow up question…I don’t like what both governments are doing. I hate it..but let’s focus on our own house and mess and talk about those who we should account.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hope

            Ahlen Ya Ustaz AOsman:
            Thanks for your response.
            Your answer is incomplete and lame.
            You CANNOT take out Ethiopia form that EQUATION or separate the Eritrean issue form Ethiopia for the VERY fact that it has been Ethiopia,which has played a major negative role in our internal affairs.
            If you disagree otherwise,well,guess what?
            I am afraid that you are either an innocent “victim” or an ” executor” of the latest TPLF Propaganda Machine and Policy.

      • dawit

        AOsman,
        There is no ‘democratic’ or any kind of government run by volunteers. The fact that you setup a government then you allow some kind of force to take place by those who are going to be in charge to run the government. At the minimum you have to force people to pay tax, unless you receive fund for free from others to run the government. Who said we want to be Singapore? We just want to be left to be Eritreans. Is that too much to ask?

        • AOsman

          Dear Dawit ,

          I was referring to the formation of the national army. Let’s hear from our Ethiopian neighbours if the have a forced recruitment there.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • dawit

            Dear AOsman,
            You cannot compare Ethiopia with Eritrea. In a country with 10s of million people facing starvation year after year raising or recruiting a million souls is not that difficult to imagine. That will be forcing people to chose to die in wars than starve to death. Even in the developed ‘democratic countries’ only the unemployed poor that ‘volunteer’ to serve in the army. The privileged children go to universities and join the Wall Street.

          • AOsman

            Dear Dawit,

            OK forget Ethiopia, tell me how it is done in Djibouti, Yemen or Sudan…you pick.

            You know the youth have not even complained about the 6 month military training, they kind of accepted it as a given, the one who is unreasonable is the regime that basically telling them you are created to serve me. When they say no and vote with they feet, we have you guys rationalising the action of the regime (weird call to rule of law) and not the basic right to life that they deserve.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • dawit

            Dear AOsman,

            If you want to learn the policies of various countries on Military Draft, I suggest you can google it. To start here is one from Wikipedia that indicate of various countries in the world. Their policies differ based on their unique situation, their need for national security at various period of their history in time of wars and peace. Therefore what we have in Eritrea is unique for Eritrea, a country that is being threatened by its neighbors.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription

            Regards,
            dawit

    • Dear S.T.,

      Sorry, I could not help but interject.

      The young recruits are the only ones who are not idiots. One should search for the idiots from the security officer and the crew who fired, up wards to the general and the office of the president, who are the real incompetent idiots in this scenario. If you live in a democratic country, you known that there is accountability at every level. Those who pulled the trigger, the officer and the incompetent general would have faced the law, and the president would have resigned, because he is the head of an incompetent government.

      Getting back the recruits who absconded could have been as simple as telling their families the next day to bring them to their units, or at worst send the military police to collect them, put them in prison for a month, and then send them to difficult units to learn their lesson. What would you do if a young man failed to report at all; shoot him, or do you send the military police to bring him/her to the unit? Of course, there is also that famous N50K thing every family should pay for a young person who runs away.

      Finally, purposely you are sending the wrong message, when you say “the PFDJ low and mid-level cadres are weeded-out (arrested)”, for nothing like that is going to happen, and nobody, I believe, ever said so. The Derg was more or less a similar regime, and nothing like that ever happened when the regime collapsed.

    • tes

      Selam Semere Tesfai,

      First of all an idiot General exists in an idiot and lawless, undemocratic country.

      Second: in a democratic country, one has full freedom to do National Service or not and hence it is strictly based on voluntarism. No idiot national service therefore.

      Third: In a democratic country, as National service is based on voluntarism, there is no need for security officer armed to look after these recruited soldiers.

      Forget now your illogical arguments and I want to remind you something that you seem to forget with in less than a decade.

      Of course you are a lonely person who is detached from reality. However let me remind you this: Until 13th round (the end of third Eri-Ethio border war), Eritreans were joining National Service voluntarily. There was no armed security officer and armed who was looking after those thousands and thousands of youth who used to flock Sawa. Not only this, during the border war, Eritreans joined the war happily.

      Therefore, just don’t try to be idiot by yourself in case you are living in a real world.

      In case, such idiotic military security officers exist in PFDJ era. But those forced military conscripts are treated as slaves and what they did is a wised decision. Their motive was:

      “Better to die than being a slave.”

      tes

      • Hope

        “Better to die than being a slave.”

        Nice quote tes but the Amhara people say ” Letekemach Semay Kirb new’ ,closely related to the English saying:”.Better said than done..”.
        You were lucky as an X-spoiled PFDJ child to sneak out peacefully and to land safely to Paris…
        Semere Tesfa’sy arguement is from practical point of view,not from “the sensationalization of the incident point of view”.
        He didn’t sympathize with the PFDJ or the killers,he rather blamed them for their wrongful actions but tried to partially blame the poor conscripts for doing things against the current “Law’ of the system.
        The poor victims committed a “suicide” fully knowing that they will be victims of the brutal regime upto death.
        If that was their choice, as you claim it to be,well,I feel bad for them for making the wrong choice at the wrong time and the wrong place.
        Please,do NOT argue for the sake of doing so but get the substance and challenge the ideas of your debators,no matter who they are and irrespective of their ideology and stand.
        Tell them that :
        “You are wrong coz of this and that.”
        Use your brain for good and do not misuse it….
        Civility and Professionalism are the Golden Rules in debates,specially if you want to persuade your “opponents”….

        • ‘Gheteb

          Wo Cousin Hope,

          Let me ask you this question.

          If for some bizarre reason or impulse, you decided to jump from a moving truck and you ended up getting injured or you ended up dying, then whose fault it is and who is to shoulder the blame?

          Remember NO one pushed you off the moving truck and no one told you to jump off it and you did the jumping yourself and out of your own volition.
          Regarding all the claims that the Eritrean Security Forces shooting members of EDF last Sunday, how come we have NOT seen even a cell phone photo or shot so far?

          Again, how come there is not even a single evidence about the alleged shootings of EDF members by the GoE Security Forces? We were told that this happened in broad daylight in the mid of the streets of Asmara?

          Have you seen a credible evidence of shootings, dead bodies or wounded bodies such as a photo or video if this incidence happened in public view with Eritrean mothers and others “throwing rocks” at the Security Forces?

          I don’t know about others, but I haven’t seen anything that substantiates all the claims made by those who claim to be in the business of opposing the GoE.

          • Nitricc

            Gheteb; you said “If for some bizarre reason or impulse, you decided to jump from a moving truck and you ended up getting injured or you ended up dying, then whose fault it is and who is to shoulder the blame?”
            i guess the truck driver is to blame since the individuals who jumped from the moving truck are free of accountability and responsibility; let’s blame the truck driver and move on. I think the truck driver should stand in a front of a court and let’s ask him why was he driving the truck. you know like i decided to jump from the 10th story building and blame my death to the owner of the building. you talk about bizarre in the thinking of the worthless opposition.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Whether you like it or it is the opposition is that will free Eritrea from the dictators, the opposition could be a current PFDJ insider, Medrkh or anyone who will oppose PFDJ. Then you will the first one to enjoy the fruit
            And you get to lookup what accountability means in a political context before you himulate yourself by asking acountability from the kids who have no power
            Your mentor Sal told you the kids were abducted and abducted flee
            People like you, give Eritreans bad name, and the comfort you get from merely discussing with ppl like Sal, MS and other great Eritreans makes your think that of a higher caliber, but your logic and simpleton tone is telling us your protozoan nature but unlike the protozoan you are unable to divide to increase
            There is a currsein Tigriniya that goes “ms mebeyika tiffae”, this is uttered when people meet with people like you. Ask Ted to translate this to Amharic for you

          • Nitricc

            Semere for a person who did nothing for Eritrea; you got a very big and stupid mouth. We all know your story and it is, all a none story. Above all you are a liar. Remember when your 14 years old you were in Sahil witnessing EPLF fighters being rapped. When you were 13 years you were in Sudan and to top it off you were reached to Sudan with the help of TPLF. And there is more; like a home-run to this white lie; you went school in Sudan while working in a tea shop? Wow! How many refugee go to school upon arrival to the refugee comp? How many refugee works in a tea shop and go to school at age 13 while they were in Sahil at age 14? “Semere wedi- Torserawit” you have a lot of questions you must answer and you never proofed that you are not “wedi torserawit from Keren” per dawit’s challenge!
            Eritrea is better off with out toothless and stupid people like you; trust me when I tell you.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            And what did yoy do for Eritrea
            You are lying and her it is why;
            1. never told you I was in Sahel when I was 14, your one celled brain is telling u that
            2. I never said TPLF helped me, your demons are telling u that, when I came to Sudan TPLF was not in the business of helping Eritreans come to Sudan, but they were doing it in 1987, 1988 until they start sleeping wiht EPLF again. Again your dementia is telling u all these
            3. You come here to get what you never got from your dysfunctional (Nitricc, itis not disfucntional) family that is why u are “siddi” “mis mebeyika teffae” ask Gheteb.
            Yes, I did not do anything of Eritrea but u cannot take it away from me, if I had a choice, I will remove it myself isntead of sharing a country with u,an imbecile, whose family are ashamed of him, if I were you I will use the gun that you use to guard the gate so shoot myself and Gheteb, a defector and dawit, a self admitted sex offender
            I do not have to prove and answer to a rapist like dawit, the fact that u ar quoting him maybe u are a product of one, devoid of love and warmth

          • Nitricc

            “3. You come here to get what you never got from your dysfunctional (Nitricc, itis not disfucntional) family that is why u are “siddi” “mis mebeyika teffae” ask Gheteb.”

            Semere this shows how low and stupid you are. I know; you left Eritrea like a little girl tacking your tails between your legs when others were responding to the call of duty. Now you have the nerve to ask anyone what they have done for Eritrea? Dude; have some self respect. At 14 you were in Sahil and At 13 you were in Sudan and at the same time at 14 you were in high school in Sudan at 19 you went to Canada to attend University? Really? How stupid are you to believe your garbage story to be believed by the readers? Wrest; you are betraying your lovely Weyane who helped you to get to Sudan. On this forum you told us how TPLF taking care of Eritrean in passing to Sudan while EPLF was busy rapping its women fighters. You even told us that you witnessed EPLF men fighters rapping female EPLF fighters. Your deception and lies knows no boundary. I understand; some thing must happen to you to act this way; you know how frequently you mention the word “rap” and “sex”. And finally; it shouldn’t he that difficult for you to detach from Eritrea; all you got to do is follow your Torserawit father; done deal!

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc
            after u finish delivering the coffee to ur cononel and polish his shoes do not forget to plug the charge

          • Hope

            Ahlen Wed Adjie,Prof Gheteb:
            I admire and respect your analysis.
            Arhikka mihsab kibret eyyu.
            Emotional rhetoric and bluffing is/are but cheap propaganda.
            I am so HAPPY that we are not yet, and HOPE will never be, like Libya,Egypt or Syria in the name Arab Spring Revolution Style Revolution in Eritrea,sponsored by the likes of Amnesty Int’l or Human Rights Watch through an under-cover sponsorship of the CIAs,the M-16,etc–to create HAVOC and MESS in the already messed up Horn of Africa.

        • tes

          Selam Hope,

          Your uncle is yelling from the graveyards of Keren. He is calling you again and again. And his words are:

          “My son, give me peace. Don’t disturb me while ‘Resting in Peace'”. It is enough, enough is enough for those barbarians. I don’t regret for what I did but I don’t know I deserve this. Stop therefore being against justice. Hear me. I am yelling each morning when ever you knock my marble. Stop doing it”.

          This is a message I heard from your uncle while I was in Keren.

          Now, you are telling me to have civility and professionalism. If calling for justice is not civility and unprofessional, let it be. Just let it be.

          Regarding Semere Tesfai,

          I don’t know why is that much illogical. Worst of his take:he forgot what a democracy is by implying a forced conscription to exist. What is then the need for democracy if there is force?

          tes

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Tegadalay Semere Tesfay,

      If we have the whole sketchy scenario as depicted in your first paragraph of your comment, there will be no escapees as they will surely know only two years national service, decided by the parliament – their representative body. Every citizen will observe the rule of law and complete their duty. In such scenario even if they pass through the city in full parade, there will be no complain by the parents or families of the draftee who are marching to fulfill their duty. So the scenario you depicted as an image in your second paragraph will not happen. You lose your argument badly, my friend. Why do you indulge yourself to such unrealistic hypothesis, unrealistic premises, and unrealistic conclusion? My friend you are not a straight shooter in politics, as you were good in the battle of our liberation. Please take your time to understand the economic, social, and political injustices that is perpetuating on our people.

      Senay MeAlti
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Amanuel
        I just typed the same but who can say it in perfect way more than you .. if the young thinks he is performing his duty and has hope to continue his normal life, why should he jump from the truck in first place, no reason. I don’t understand why Semere Tesfai brought this scenario..

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Amanuel

        Listen to yourself. This is what you’re saying to oppose the PFDJ regime. If we have a democratic country:

        (a) – “There will be no escapees as they will surely know only two years national service”

        (b) – “Every citizen will observe the rule of law and complete their duty.”

        (c) – “Even if they pass through the city in full parade, there will be no complain by the parents or families of the draftee who are marching to fulfill their duty.”

        Amanuel, are you serious? Do you really believe that?

        Let me tell you my logic: ዓተር ‘ተሎ: ጥራጥ ኣሎ:: If there is marriage there is divorce. If there is national service there are draft dodgers and there are loving parents who hide their draft-dodger child from serving his/her country.

        Aman, there are a million reasons to oppose the PFDJ regime, but your logic in this comment is not one of them.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Bitsay Semere Tesfay,

          Really Semere? You see Sem, in order to believe you that you believe on what you saying – on this issue – send your kids to do their NS and be on the pedstal of parents of those who lost their kids. Furthermore, we expect you tell us that the tragic is the fault of your child and we should not make any kind of accusation to the government. Otherwise you will be seen as blood sucking individual who while keeping his kids in safe home, but has the audacity to the parents that it is the fault of the deceased in order to defend the government.

          Regards,
          A H

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Ayneta,

    I just listened the song linked below, a song sang by Ayneta Mihreteab. Is it you by any chance? Are you an artist?

    http://assenna.com/yiaklena-%E1%8B%AD%E1%8A%A3%E1%8A%BD%E1%88%88%E1%8A%93-%E2%97%8F-ayneta-mihreteab-%E2%97%8F-eritrean-music-2016/

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Let me be me and throw my two cents. The shooting death and injury of the servicemen/conscripts/slaves (whatever you want call them) and the death and injury of the civilians that happened on April 03, 2016 was – without a doubt a tragic incident in the eyes of all Eritreans. But Eritreans from all walks of life are reacting to this tragic incident each in their own way – some sensationalizing it for their own political agenda (the opposition and Ethiopians), some ignoring it as if nothing happened (the PFDJ camp) and others somewhere in between. And let me try to be as objective as I can.

    Assuming my information is right, this is an open-and-shut case. There is no ambiguity, there is no room for spinning, there is no ifs and buts. The issue at hand is as clear as the summer daylight. From the little information I gathered (from different news media) this is what happened and this is what I believe will happen/should happen.

    1. – The security officers who ordered to shoot and those who fired their guns – at best they will get a slap in the wrist (for PR reasons) as they should. The reason: from the get go, they were put in a catch twenty two. They were put in a situation in which they had nothing but two WRONG choices that would put them in trouble (a) to shoot to stop the deserting soldiers (b) to let all/most of the soldiers to jump from their armored vehicles and disappear in the crowd. They ordered the deserting soldiers to stop, the deserters kept running, they had neither the training nor the rubber bullets to act differently. Under the circumstance, they fired real bullets to kill.

    You’re telling us they were wrong when they fired. Fine. Now, tell me: in your democratic countries (in the West) what will happen to you if you refuse to stop when an armed police officer ordered you to stop? Obvious, isn’t it? Exactly.

    2. – The soldiers (recruits) will pay a price for their actions – as they should. As citizens of Eritrea they have an obligation and duty to serve their country. They were trained soldiers, trained to the best of their county’s ability. They knew the military rules and code of conducts. They knew right from wrong. The PFDJ regime didn’t invent military rule. The military rule was there from the days of the Greek warriors, to the Napoleonic wars, to the contemporary military science. And the military rule says in no uncertain terms, “no matter how intolerable the situation becomes, service members can’t legally abandon (quit) their job”. Period. But they did. They disobeyed the military rule that they know too well. And actions have consequences.

    3. – The parents and other civilians who cooperated with the deserters also will be punished – as they should. They knew, what they were doing was wrong. Even if we assume they didn’t knew, according to the White Man’s rule (I suppose that’s what “we” are trying to emulate) – “ignorance of the law is no excuse to commit an offence”.

    Again you’re telling us the parents were innocent. Now, tell me: knowingly or unknowingly, in your Western democratic country, if you aided and abetted purposely in hiding a family member who is running away from law enforcement forces, what do you think would happen to you ?. Again, there is no ambiguity there.

    4. – But there are people in the higher-ups of the PFDJ regime who should be accountable for their actions as well. At least, at least… they should apologize to the public for their negligence – for putting the young recruits and the security officers in an awkward position. It is a no, no – under any circumstance, for a large number of young army units to let them pass through big towns. If you do knowingly, you’re looking for trouble. And you will be held responsible for your actions.

    Let me tell you a personal story. In 1978, after six months (December – June) brutal trench warfare in Barentu, in which at one point six of us survived from my Hayli (company) – in mid June, at a sudden meeting, we were told, tonight (now) we’re leaving Barentu heading toward Humera to stop an advancing Ethiopian army. Tonight will travel to Tesseney. Tomorrow we will spend the day in Tesseney; and then in the cover of darkness, we will travel all night towards Humera. When we heard that news, we were elated for the simple fact that we were going to spend the day in Tesseney.

    After years of celibacy and months in the front-line trenches, we thought, finally we were going to see the beautiful Eritrean women of Tesseney. And all we wanted to do was, to dance our heart-out with the beautiful women of Tesseney all day long. And that meant to us everything, yes everything. To tell how much it meant to us, this is what my comrade Wedi-KhuEta (ኲዒታ) use to say – ክላእ……ምስዋእ ምስውኡስ: ኣብ ማእከል ጽርግያ ኣስመራ ስጥሕ ኢልካ ተትስዋእ:: ኣየ ‘ወ….. ደምካ ጃሕ ጃሕ እንዳለ ክውሕዝ ምስ ረኣያ: ኩመል ዝመስላ ቆናጁ ደቀ-‘ስመራ: ብኽልተ ምዕጉርተን ንብዓት እንዳወሓዘ: ዋይ ሓወይ ኢለን: ጻዕዳ ሻሸን ካብ ዝባነን ቅንጥጥ ኣቢለን: ክድን ከብላኻ:: ሕስብ ‘ሞ ኣብልዎ….. ካብዚ ንላዕልስ እንታይ መንግስተ-ሰማይ ኣሎ? ይብል ነሩ::

    And we all knew too well, when we get crazy in front of these beautiful ladies, all, young and old, they will be crazy beyond anyone’s imagination as well – as they were always, eager and love to see poor Hyltat boys. And we were eager to see them too, because after the street by street fight at Bloko Ali-Ghidir, Khenisa (Enda-Mariam), Mahlej (ማሕለጅ), Sikat-Hadid, Posta-Biet (Post Office), Banki (the Bank), Musteshfa (Hospital at the rocky hill), Enda Police, Khubri (Bridge), Brigade….. leathal hand to hand combat to liberate Tesseney, the Hayltat (fighting units) had never seen the town and its people in peace time. And dancing with the women in towns like Tesseney was an opportunity that happens once (if you’re lucky) in a Tegadalay lifetime.

    And stupid that we were, we started getting crazy the minute we passed Alebu (way before reaching Tesseney). Then after we reached near the bridge of Tesseney, our commanders stopped our trucks and told us there is change of plan. They said, you can dance all you want all day, but you’re not spending the day in Tesseney. Instead you will spend the day at Nibro-Themania (few kms from Teseney) alone. We got so mad, in the wee hours of the night, as we were passing through the middle of the town (Tesseney), to piss-off our leaders, we all started singing ወሰደየ ጂግና ወዲ ኤረ and started shooting our AK-47 (Kalashin) to the air. Then one of our gunners (መድፋዓጂ) who had his big Machine Gun on the hood of the truck started shooting in the air. While some Tegadeltis where yelling to the MG gunner to stop, the RPG guy put his rocket propeller on his shoulder to fire one from the middle of the crowd. But luckily, people jumped to stop him in time before he wiped half of the crowd. And all this time (during and after), most of us were just laughing and screaming.

    The point, more than those who did the ordering and the firing at the scene, the higher-up commander(s) has the responsibility, not to put young soldiers and security personnel in a position where, they are tempted to do the wrong thing. And no matter how high it goes up in the PFDJ hierarchy, the commander(s) who planned and ordered the young soldiers to pass through the streets of Asmara, should be held accountable for their negligence.

    Just imagine for a second, if the route had been from Agordat to Keren, To Adi-Tekelezan, To Serejeqa, to Filfil Selemona, to Massawa and Assab – how things would have been different.

    Semere Tesfai

    • PTS

      Senere,
      While SAAY is sharpening his pencil, I will say this. You did a great job in providing a different angle from what has been said thus far. But I’ll also tell you, the government doesn’t recognize NS participants as millitary men. It argues national service is a platform for citizens to serve in various sectors and not as regular army. If that is the case, your whole argument of military rule is on shaky ground since military rule shouldn’t be applied here.
      This isn’t to say the regime doesn’t hesitate to apply military rule to crush citizens. It enforces military rule on every citizen, including those of us outside its scope.

    • AOsman

      Dear Semere,

      I will focus on one as I lost what I wrote on all your 4 points.

      “The parents and other civilians who cooperated with the deserters also will be punished – as they should. ”

      A mother is told…wedikhi bshuq kihalef eyu. ..her reaction …emo kerkibo and off she goes to see her son. Things happen and Semere is telling us she should be punished. ..uy ila tikhewen….that’s collaboration I guess.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Ted

        Hi Aosman, do you know how Trump got in hot water. “He want to punish mothers for what they do with their body”

        • AOsman

          Dear Ted,

          Well Semere has prepared a good argument for the trumpets to start their music. All victims to be punished under military tribunal, if they disappear for good, we must “sle zhaleyelom iyu” as they could get worse verdict. The perpetrators will get a slap in the wrist and their leaders may throw an apology.

          Semere has written enough in the past to give the criminal entity the peace of mind that in post PFDJ all sins will be forgiven. This one was another indirect ajokhum.

          Regards
          AOsman

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Semere Tesfai,

      I am sure your above post will open a lot of new topics to talk about. in fact if the incident happened under a legal system, we could have gone for more details. But over all the group in Asmara should not be there in first place to talk about who is responsible. do you think if the Mafia group is considered an ordinary government and is for good of the nation and people the young will jump from the truck? No, not at all. weren’t you a fighter who complete his duties for every command given in the field , when no one force you to be a fighter?

      then where were they going? for what?

      ISIS are killing people. the individual was brain washed to be criminal and if he don’t take action when ordered, he will be killed..so no choice once you become a member you only have to kill, does that make sense.. for Kokhob PFDJ leadership is not different if not worst. The man who kills following the instruction of PFDJ leadership is responsible as he is suppose to kill PFDJ leadership and free the nation not the innocent young.

      there will never be justification for any crime done by PFDJ what so ever and those who take action following the instruction of this mafia group are responsible fully.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hello Bitsay Semere Tesfay,

      Like the “House of appropriation and budget”, the common legislation process we are familiar with, you sound from the unfamiliar “House of appropriation and Crimes,” making an allocation of responsibilities for crimes committed to unarmed citizens. Unheard and a damning argument. Your argument not only fails to assess the crime committed by the perpetrator but also appear as an appeal to novelty – a prematurely best case scenario from a layman to a politico-legalese discipline.

      You failed to pinpoint the perpetrators of the crime, but rather you tried to exonerate criminals by distributing the crimes to different agents (the families, the people in the higher ups, the soldiers, and the recruits). The crime is committed by the regime and their enablers (specifically the those who gave orders and the action takers).

      We are aware that your common thread of argument is defending the statesque and blaming the victim as we have seen you making your case against the victims of Lampadusa and their families. And it isn’t a surprise to come with such argument and fail to say “a crime is committed against unarmed citizen” but opted to call it “a tragic incident.”

      Senay Mishet
      Amanuel Hidrat

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Harbegna ghedeem tegadalay ato Semere Tesfai
      Kemey tQni
      There are few points I should make:
      1. This is not an isolated incident, rather a continuation of practices and attitudes emanating from the sense of impunity; such as the policies of militarizing society without clear necessity to do so (except to control it as a military unit); the roughening up of citizens including disrupting their daily routines and the intrusions into their private spheres without legal warrants (during round ups and “security” searches which cover wide range of citizens’ lives, including cordoning off zonal sectors and conducting house-to-house searches for minor incidents); expanding and shrinking check points at will (without any inputs from people, through their voice and representation); the rounding up or abducting of citizens and shipping them to unknown and unmarked “prisons”; perpetuating war and the news of war in order to control citizens, including stretching National Service beyond its initial legal time limit and scope, practically making it a tool of control and repression…acts of extrajudicial killings including unarmed citizens who tried to flee the country, abuses of national service members and the society as a whole, etc. In general, this is not an incident but a pattern of the regime strangulating our country; a regime that hijacked the dreams of generations and keeps working day in and day out to deem that hope of establishing a country worth its price, a country where free and sovereign citizens live, a country where its citizens decide who to hire and who to fire of an entity that governs their affair; citizens who put in order their priority instead of told what their priorities are by an entity they have not chosen…ህግድፍ፡ ሕልሚ ኤርትራውያ ዘበንን፡ መዓልቶም ዘጸልምት፡ ብልሖም ዘጉድም፡ ሓድነቶም ዝፈታትንን ቀጻልነት ህላዌኦም ኣብ ሓደጋ ዘውድቕን ዘሎ ስርዓት እዩ። ንስርዓቱ ከርግእን ከሳልን፡ ስርዓት ብዘይብሉ ኣገባብ ዝረባረብ ስርዓት እዩ። ብኣካይዳ ንቡር ዓለም ክትገልጾ ኣጸጋሚ እዩ።
      3. The convoy was carrying unarmed conscripts. There is no active state of war. Even if you consider them as “deserters”, they are not deserting an active combat; there is no fear that they might join enemy; they are inside a territory well inside the regime’s control. Then what was the intention? This is very important. You won’t argue the fact that those who tried to escape the convoy wanted to see their families, friends…and may be they wanted to have a few hours with their loved ones, may be, treat themselves with whatever of hospitality the city that raised them could offer them. Apparently, they were few. Even if the number is in the tens, they would have been rounded up the next day. They were students, unarmed young conscripts going to a peacetime projects. These were no prisoners or suspected individuals. Even under strict interpretations and situations, one would look at the intention of those individuals, and the likelihood that their “desertion” would cause an immediate breakdown in the army’s readiness. As I said above, the situation does not look like that was the case.
      4. What law, or army regulation are you making the basis of your arguments of dispersing the blames into different directions including the victims?
      I think you are wrong in taking this as an “incident”. An incident is something unexpected, something out of the ordinary. The regime has been known for a quite long time for its shooting of fleeing unarmed citizens. It is an established pattern. It is a manifestation of a government that rule without any sense of impunity. This is not about holding a company commander and few soldiers responsible. It’s not even about holding some higher officers responsible. It’s past due we hold the regime to account for its pattern of disregarding the life and safety of citizens. It’s indeed a pattern, not an incident.
      Similarly, nitricc argued that it was the conscripts fault because they should have known that the regime was callous. This is akin to shifting the blame to the aggressor rather than defending the aggressed. Citizens express their opposition indifferent ways. One of it is fleeing from a national program that has gone awry, and that has turned to be the main culprit of imposing fear and control over our citizens. Nitricc would be the first to protest against police brutality here in the USA. He would not blame the black kids and other citizens who are getting shot and brutalized simply because they stood their ground in exercising their rights.
      Consider the following: A woman was told by a police officer who had pulled her over to put of her cigarette. The woman said, “No, I’m inside my car, and I have every damn right to enjoy my cigarette inside my property.” The police officer makes explicit threats; and true to his words, he pulled the woman out of her car; he arrests her and takes her to jail. Some hours later, frustrated, she allegedly hangs herself and dies. Now, nitricc’s argument would be the following: Since she knows police brutality, she should have obeyed whatever the officer asked of her. This is in line with the folks of “znegese ngusna” or “let nature decide the fate of brutal rulers, and their policies.” However, for most folks, this is a pattern of over use of force by police. Citizens know that unless they stand up to it, it will get even worse. In this case, even if the situation is somewhat murky, most citizens stand by the victim because it is an established pattern of the police. In Tunisia, one citizen got fed up an established pattern of state abuse. Citizens did not say, “Oh, well, this is an incident.” They rallied around the victim deposing a dictator that terrorized his people for years.
      Eritrean people have so far remained to be obedient. When you see the transgressions that this regime practiced on mostly peaceful and obedient population, it’s just mindboggling to even fathom how ignorant, heartless, and wild its rule has become. Therefore, my friend, Amanuel Hidrat as described your action succinctly : As a chairman of the appropriation Committee, you are hereby requested to adjust your initial apportioning of the blames. The blame should shift to the regime, the system which introduced, nurtured and cultivated the imposition of the aura that it’s the all-time-right, the all-time-powerful, and untouchable in the minds of our people.
      We will need to do some soul searching.

      • dawit

        Mahmud,
        The following is direct quote from the spiced up article
        ”a planned escape in Shuq, …some of the conscripts had told their friends and family to wait for them and whisk them away as they jumped off the trucks. … When they saw the approaching truck, young friends of the conscripted used the city’s red bus to block the convoy. With the convoy stopped, many conscripts jumped off their trucks, to join awaiting family and friends–and that’s when the guards opened fire at the conscripts, their families and friends.”
        A great planed escape went wrong for the innocent young conscripts and their families. But for those who planned the escape they knew perfectly what the reaction of the government would be, but did not care if few young lives were sacrificed as long as they get their one more sensational spicy story to pass to Ms. Sheila Keetharuth, for a regime change in Eritrea . It is easy to play Monday morning quarterbacking, but you would have done exactly what Semere Tesfai described in his comment as a soldier or commander in the Eritrean or any government.
        dawit

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Mahmuday,

        I hope this crime against inhumanity will trigger a cascade of reactions that will lead to the removal of the despot, and consequently take the Tunisian trajectory democratic transition, facilitated by the Eritrean civil societies to transform our nation from the current government to a constitutional democratic government. My friend Saay do not feel the side way tickling.

        Senay MeAlti
        Amanuel Hidrat

    • saay7

      Selam Semere T:

      I was going to bring my long rebuttal, but then you and Nitricc have this tendency to very suddenly-very-busy when you are asked to explain your positions so I feel I was contributing to your disappearances when I put u on the spot so I won’t.

      Many moons ago, I read “why English teachers die young” and, apparently, it is from reading all those high school papers with terrible analogies that are not analogous and extended metaphors are dead by sentence two.

      Your piece shows your strong bias towards the PFDJ—of citizens with no rights only DUTIES; of slaps in the wrist for those who fired guns and apologies from senjoe officials but it is PUNISHMENT for mothers who came to see, perhaps for the last time, their abducted sons and daughters. Of military codes that you made up on the spot…uggg.

      Anyway, counselor. What Mahmud Saleh is trying to tell you is that your client, the PFDJ, has a prior. A long prior offenses. And given the same set of facts, you don’t treat two criminals–one with a first offense, one with a long long long priors the same.

      saay

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Awatist: Take Notice!!
        Sal refused to do a long rebut for the reason he mentioned. But he wont need a long one, he is a good writer because he has economized in words, so us, he friends wont die from the excruciating pain of the long writing like the English teacher, so instead his summation regarding why the kids jumped was because they were “ABDUCTED”. The abducted jump and abductors shoot.
        Now NS is AS (abduction service)
        Thanks

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam SAAY

        Good to hear from you again Sal. Few things to clear up here:

        1. – “I feel I was contributing to your disappearances when I put u on the spot so I won’t.”

        No, no, no Saay, don’t feel anything about contributing something that made me disappear. My disappearance was a personal thing (work related) which you don’t want or care to know and I won’t say it here to the whole world to hear – or it has nothing to do with you – ብነብሰይ እየ::

        2. – “you have this tendency to very suddenly-very-busy when you are asked to explain your positions”

        Again, you got me wrong there as well. To borrow a phrase from D. Trump, I love the Awate people. But seriously, I love Awate University, I love the experts and the thought provoking opinions here, and I really feel privileged to voice my opinion in this wonderful website. As much as I love to voice my opinion, I just don’t have enough time to write.

        As to defending my position on my last comment, I promised you then and I repeat my promise today – I will do it, and I will post it in the front page for all to see. Word. And I’ll challenge you to out Semere, Semere Tesfai. How about that?

        3. – “our piece shows your strong bias towards the PFDJ—”

        Please, please, please – from the PFDJ side of the fence whenever a Muslim shows dissenting opinion to be labeled Islamist Jihadist, and by the same token, from the opposition side of the fence whenever an individual from ethnic Tigrigna voices a dissenting voice, to be labeled closeted PFDJ, is boring to say the least. You’re better than that. If you care to engage positively, instead of labeling me, you’ve read my side of the argument, voice your opinion as what you would do differently, so the whole world would know.

        Semere Tesfai

        • saay7

          Selamat Semere T:

          Your ብነብሰይ እየ reminded me of a joke from the 1980s: a famous Eritrean singer had a car accident in Saudi Arabia and, as you know, in Saudi Arabia, when a foreigner has a car accident with a Saudi, the Saudi feels he has a national duty (hell, yeah, I will use this analogy later:) to teach the foreigner a lesson by beating him with his Agal (the black cord that holds his checkered headdress in place.) This singer has a physical deformity that makes him look like he is always smiling and he is now afraid that the enraged Saudi will think he is mocking him and will inflict even more physical punishment, so he tells his passengers: ብኺልቅ ኡ እዩ በልዎም:: (please tell them I am naturally like that.)

          Semere Arkey: we all have very long paper trails, particularly those of us who are very wordy in our columns. Your paper trail shows that you are extraordinarily sympathetic to the PFDJ–regardless of any horrific thing it did, you will fine a way to rationalize it, then quickly pivot to find a way to blame the opposition for it. In this particular case, I was disappointed–but not surprised–that in an “incident” (by the way, what we call it, “incident”, “tragedy” or “murder” also shows our sympathies) that had four actors:

          1. PFDJ/EDF leadership
          2. Military Police/police
          3. Recruits/Conscripted/Rounded Up/Abducted
          4. Parents of Recruits/Conscripted/Rounded Up/Abducted

          what Judge Semere Tesfai recommends (‘this is what happened and this is what I believe will happen/should happen’) is a slap on the wrist for Group 1 and Group 2 and real punishment for 3 and 4. Not to mention your “in your democratic countries” acidity as if you are in Tiqulahas manning a fort:)

          Now, let’s go back to the Saudi who felt it was his duty to beat up unruly immigrants with his black cord. This guy comes from a Bedouin culture which used the black cord, the Agal, to teach obedience to camels and as a brake (cambel hobble) so it knows when to stop. He would not understand why it is wrong for him to beat a fellow human with it: it would be like you are telling him to put up with disobedience and chaos. That is EXACTLY what the PFDJ are like now: they so impulsively resort to the stick (Dan Connell perfectly described it as “a culture of violence” and rightfully described it as the main cause of Eritrean youth exodus) that if you tell them not to use it, they accuse you of trying to introduce chaos and disorder to Eritrea. And, sadly, a lot of your writing (including this post) reflects that mindset.

          To paraphrase right-wingers here in the US, I am pretty sure we will survive Isaias Afwerki; but we will have to do a lot of patient re-education of Isaiasist and PFDJistas (who are not even aware of it): that what they consider is right and normal is not.

          Now, Abi, Eyob, give it to the Saudis and tell us how horrible they are:)

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Why do we have to give it to these pre-historic Neanderthal creatures, who have very little to do with today’s human species? Seriously. That is how I feel about Saudis. Mentally deformed cavemen, who are living amongst other human beings and as dangerous as rodent with a rabies running around in a kindergarten….

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam SAAY

            ብኺልቐይ እየ 🙂 I like that, it is really funny. Thank you. I’m going to use it. And I’m not even going to credit you as it it is Saudis.

            Anyway let me tell you ሕካያ before I head home. This is a real story that happened during the first years of the Italian rule. The story is about my ሓወቦታተይ Hagos and ZerAy. Haweboy Hagos was very hyper, inquisitive and curious. But Haweboy ZerAy was the opposite – very gentle, tolerant, sober, majestic kind a guy. Now let me tell you the rest of the story in Tigrigna – ኢትዮጵያውያን መታን ከይሰምዑና – “ባንዳ” እዮም ዝብሉና::

            ሓደ መዓልቲ: ክልቲኦም ሓወ-ቦታተይ: ጨወ-በርበረ ክዕድጉ: የእድጎም ጽዒኖም ‘ነስመራ ይኸዱ:: ኣስመራ እትው ምስ በሉ: ኣብ ቅድሚኦም ብዙሕ ሰብ ተኣኪቡ ረኣዩ:: ሸዑ ወዮ ህዉኽ ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ: ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ኢሉ ንሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ጸዎዖ:: ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ድማ ህድእ ኢሉ: ኢሂ ሓጎስ በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ ካኣ ህውኽ ኢሉ: እዚ ሰብ ዳኣ ‘ታይ እዩ ተኣኪቡ ዘሎ በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ዘርኣይ ካኣ ኣንታ ሓጎስ: ኣነ ዳኣ ኣብዚ ምሳኻ ዘለዅ: ነዚ ሰብ መኣከቢኡ ‘ታይ ፈሊጠ:: ዳሓር ካኣ…. ማዓስ ካባና ርሑቅ ኣልዮም: ኣብኡ ምስ በጻሕና ንርእዮ – በሎ::

            ኣብኡ ምስ በጹሑ: ‘ታይ ዳኣሉ ኢሎም ተረኣዩ: ደቂ ጥልያን ተኣኪቦም ኩዑሶ ይጻወቱ: ሰብ ዘበለ ኻኣ ኩሉ ገሪምዎ ቀው ኢሉ ይጥምቶም:: ደሓር ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ – ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… . ኢሉ ንሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ጸዎዖ:: ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ድማ ህድእ ኢሉ: ኢሂ ሓጎስ – በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ ካኣ ህውኽ ኢሉ: ‘ዞም ደቂ ጥልያን ዳኣ ‘ታ…… ‘ደይ ዘይበሰለ ቢሑⷅ ‘ዮም ዝመስሉ: በሎ:: ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ኻኣ…… ኣይ ኣነስ ‘ባ ኣንበጣ ‘መስሉ ኢለ – በሎ::

            ደሓር ቁሩብ ምስ ጸንሑ: ወዮ ህዉኽ ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ – ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ኢሉ ንሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ጸዎዖ:: ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ድማ ህድእ ኢሉ: ኢሂ ሓጎስ በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ ካኣ ህውኽ ኢሉ…. እዞም ደቂጥልያን ሲ ይበኽዩዶ መስለካ በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ዘርኣይ ካኣ…. ኣንታ ሓጎስ…. ንስኻስ ኩሉሳዕ – ካን ኮይንካ…. ማ…..ይ ዘይጣዓመ ዘረባ ጥራሕ ከተምጽእ:: ኣነ ዳኣ ካብ ጎድፍ ንማሓሳኣት ምሕላው: ካብ ማሓሳኣት ምሕላው ናብ ከብትን ጤለ በጊዕን ምሕላው: ካብ ከብትን ጤለ በጊዕን ምሕላው: ኣብ ቆልዓን ሓዳርን ምሳኻ ዘለኹ………. ደቂ-ጥልያን ክበኽዩን ዘይክበኽዩን: ተውሳኸይ ኣበይ ኮይነ ሪኤዮም: በሎ::

            ደሓር ቁሩብ ምስ ጸንሑ: ወዮ ህዉኽ ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ – እንደገና ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ኢሉ ንሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ጸዎዖ:: ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ ድማ ከም ቀደሙ ህድእ ኢሉ: ኢሂ ሓጎስ በሎ:: ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ ካኣ: ከም ቀደሙ ህውኸ ኢሉ በል ሓንሳብ ዝኣድገይ ርኣየለይ ኢሉዎ….. ሓወ-ቦይ ዘርኣይ: ናበይ ዳኣልካ ኢሉ ክሓቶ ዕድል ከይሃቦ….. ትሪኳላታ ነጢሩ ናብቶም ደቂ ጥልያን እንዳጎየየ ከደ:: ደቂ ጥልያን ተገሪሞም ኩዕሶ ጸወታ ገዲፎም ኩሎም ደው በሉ:: ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ ካኣ ጎዩ ከይዱ: ነቲ መጀመርታ ዝረኸቦ ቆልዓ: ጉንዲ-እዝኑ ላፊፉ ምስ ሓደጎ:: እቲ ዝተሃርመ ቆልዓ ዕሉው ኢሉ ወዲቑ ምስ በኸየ: እቶም ዝተረፉ ካላኦት ቆልዑ…… ው ጭ ጭ ጭ ጭ እንዳበሉ ነንገዘኦም ሃደሙ::

            ሽዑ ሓወቦይ ሓጎስ: ነቲ ትሪኳላታ ነጢሩ ተመሊሱ…….. ክላ ናዓናይ… እዚኦም ዳኣ…. ደይ ከምዞም ደቅና ዮም….. ተባሃሂሎም ናብ ጨወ-በርበረ ምሽማቶም ከዱ ንብለካ:: እዚኣ ተረሲዕካ ሞት ትረስዕካ::

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

            N.B. Honestly, this happened in Saleh Johar’s backyard. And the true/real question that was asked was – ወድ ጥልያን በከ ማ ሚ?

            Ela LqaA

          • saay7

            Haha Semere T!

            Funny! Here’s the thing, though, all stories and parables like that have a moral. So you should ask Awate University what the moral of the story is and what is the symbolism for Hagos (Happy) being hurried and curious and that of Zeray (My Offspring) being calm and live-and-let -live?

            Also, paraphrasing your uncles:

            Uncle Hagos: ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ… ዘርኣይ. ትግርኛ ደኣ ኣብ ኢትዮፕያ ትዝረብዶ መስለካ?
            Uncle Zerai: ኣንታ ሓጎስ፥ ከመይ ደኣ፥ ትዝረብ ትጽወ! እንታይ ዓይነት ሕቶ እዩ በጃኻ…
            Uncle Hagos: እንድዒ እቲ ወዲ ሓውና ተስፋይ: ኢትዮብያውያን ከይሰምዑኒ ኢሉስ ብትግርንያ ክጽሕፍ እዝጊ ኣርእዩኒ::

            wede feet

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Ha ha, Saay7,

            ሞይተ ቀቲልካኒ !
            ወይ ሰመረ ሓወይ ከይሰምዑና እልካስ ትግርኛ ምዝራብ ? ወይ ጉድ ትግርኛ ንክልቲኡ ህዝብታት ማዕረ ከምዝብጸሖ ዶ ኾን ረሲዕዎ ? ንምዃኑ ትግርኛ ተዛራቢ ኢትዮጵያዊ ካብ ምልእ ኤርትራ ከምዝበዝሕ ዶ ይፈልጥ ?

            ኡርዱ ዝዛረቡ ኣብ ፓስኪስታን ዶ ይበዝሑ ኣብ ኢንድያ ? ንወዲ ካራቺ እንተትሓቶ ፓኪስታን ምስ በለ :: our lovely Semere is not the same one those days.

          • saay7

            Selamat Kokhob:

            When I was a kid, the following joke was told to explain the difference between Asmarino Tigrinya and Tigray Tigrinya.

            An Asmarino and his Tigrayan friend are meeting in Mekele. The Tigrayan wants to go the house of a mutual friend in Asmara and his Asmarino friend is giving him directions which is as follows: You take the bus and get off at the last station. You go straight, you make a right at the first street then, when you are done with the steep incline, you make a left. You will see a house with a green gate and you press the door bell. This is how he says it in Tigrinya Asmarino (which, back then, before it was liberated by Ghedli, was 25% Italian:)

            ካፖሊኒያ ኣውቶቡስ ምስ በጻሕካ ትወርድ…. ድሪቶ ትኸይድ…. ሽዑ ኣብታ ቀዳመይቲ ኣንጎሎ ፊነስትሮ ትጥወ… ኣብታ ሳሊታ ድማ ዴስትራ….ኣብታ ጫፍ: ካንቼሎ ቨርዲ ዘለዋ ገዛ: ካምፓኔላ ትሃርም….

            His Tigrayan friend who didn’t understand much of what his friend was saying says: “እዋይ እዋይ! ብናይና ጽዋይማ ጽወይኒ!!” (Man, talk to me in our language.)

            Happy Sunday!

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Good Sunday Saay:
            “…..the Tigrinya of Asmara is pure and the Tigrinya of Tigray is littered* with Amharic words:)”

            Semere Andom and Saleh AA Younis “keysemuuka” 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Very very Good Sunday,

            ወላሂ ፦ ነቲ መሽረፈት ኔት ክብል መሽፈርት ኔት ዝብል ሳይ7 ሲ ምስ ትውጋሕ እሞ ? Lol.

            But really Tigrnya is in ICU..ኣፈርኩብ ሰመረየ !! ህግደፍ ወላ ንቛናቛና ኣይመሓረትን!

          • PTS

            SAAY,
            There is some truth about Tigrigna being ‘pure’. Before independence, Amharic and Italian languages encroached into Tigrigna, as did Arabic to a lesser extent. Today, Italianigna is dwindling fast with the passing of the old generation*, Arabic is on the rise and Amharic is eliminated.
            * I love this generation. This generation to us is what the WWII generation to Americans is. Sadly with people dying of natural death daily, the number is shrinking.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Why don’t you do it.
            Are we unjustified to air our disapproval of their behaviors.
            Do you know anyone, even 2nd or 3rd hand, who have been subjected to such abuse. I doubt if they confess to such a humiliation. All the inhuman treatment they dish out to their maids and servants some times makes it to the papers without any redress, in this life anyway.
            .
            My mind is made up. They are animals.
            .
            Let me draw your attention with this virtual portrait and video of a good wealthy Saudi family man.
            .
            A man of about 50 years old walks into a field for a family video and portrait. He sits on his high chair wearing his traditional outfit with the head gear including ornaments.
            His wives numbering about 35 or 40 had followed him to take up positions in their whatever hierarchy that had been accepted.
            Some of these wives are very young and some are middle aged. Some of the wives are white, some are Asians and still others are Arabs.
            And then, 70 of his children come out with vigor and excitement to be with their dad.
            .
            The video and portrait pictures were taken for posterity.
            .
            Now tell me how is it substantially different from the Animal Kingdom episode we see on television. It is the same portrait, minus the money of course and the animals are a little less violent when crossed.
            .
            BTW: Just to let you know, I do not hate all Arabs.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Selam KH:

            Where is Ted: he was making of fun of me that the list of people I don’t understand is getting long and I think now I have to add you Mr. K.H. Are you seriously asking me, the guardian of awate’s posting guideline which prohibits insulting a collective of people based on religion, region, ethnicity nationality, that same dude, why don’t I go ahead and rail against the entire Saudi people?

            I would be happy to rail against the Saudi government (and I frequently do particularly in its destruction of Yemen and its role in the promotion of a destructive strain of Islam) but insulting the entire population of Saudi Arabia and indeed all Arabs, all 366 million of them, is the specialty of Abi and Eyob. Most democratic countries, particularly multi-ethnic ones, consider that as “incitement to national, racial and ethnic hatred.” I strongly recommend you jump off that rusty train.

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi saay, you reading Abi and Eyob in a wrong way.Is it the Eritrean thing not to take complement well?Remember how you felt when Abi dropped the L bomb, eww 😉 . Take it easy, it has nothing to do with Arabs but us; Eritrea/Shaebia ye Arab asgentayoch, they don’t know who to blame . Besides they hail from the country a husband slap his wife’s buttock with a walking cane as sign of affection;-)

            Speaking of people you understand, the DCC has four members plus Nitricc. It sounds right Eritrean clubs/parties/orgs to have people they don’t understand as a member;-) Speaking of the effort in understanding people, my hats off to you with Semere Andom.

            As for our Arab friends, a good time is coming their way. There is no more new bottom but up from here, of course it starts with dismantling the evil Saudi monarchs.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Ted,

            “…Besides they hail from the country a husband slap his wife’s buttock with a walking cane as sign of affection;-)…”

            Y’know, I usually don’t laugh at your jokes, but this one line is genuinely funny.. 🙂 And very much true.. 🙂

          • Ted

            Hi Eyob, i am glad you get this one;-)

          • saay7

            Selamat Ted:

            Well, here’s the thing with the 5-member Democratic Coup Club (DCC): we are guided by a souped-up version of the Pareto Principle, which holds that, in any cause and effect relationship, 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. We believe that in Eritrea 80% of the effects you see (exodus, destitution, lack of peace, indefinite conscription, lack of rule of law, injustice, “culture of violence”, culture of impunity, etc) are attributable to 20% of the causes (Isaias, wedi Afom, wedi Afwerki, kbur president.). Now, there are two potential or self declared members. One is Nitriccay, but he will be problematic because (a) at every meeting he will ask for a vote to dismiss Lamek or anybody else who pisses him off (b) he will demand that we “wait for things to take their course” and do nothing. Hope, with his call for strategic surgery, is a natural for our club but in each meeting he will write a list longer than that of Martin Luther, all focusing on causes outside the 20% and effects outside the 80%.

            Nitricc is like a shock jock: I think he blames the Americans who jumped off the twin tower buildings for their lack of foresight, you knew you were going to die: why did you jump?

            Saay

          • Ted

            Hi saay, “spontaneously combust”? Who are you, Ethiopian;-) No Eri org ever disappears; it divides like amoeba or branches out like mycelium, even Dr Kevorkian can’t help with vegetative ones, we have a bunch of them. Have you thought copyrighting the name(DCC), it is smart and timely,it gives me hope thinking of it up running. Membership? Do you really need who tells you you are doing it wrong-:) i am intrigued though.
            How can you be sure 20/80 proposal will not be a messy business that does guaranty the removal of the “ wrong” part. Is Nirticc up for it as DCC member, I need to consult a surgeon on this one.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted:

            I am sorry I wasn’t listening…I was destracted. It’s still the weekend so let me sneak this one in: it’s about one guy who has successfully conducted a coup on established order:)

            http://youtu.be/xgdt_gqsgAA

            Saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam to myself,
            .
            ADDENDUM 1
            .
            I am a quick learner. I like this word, addendum, don’t you?
            .
            It is Sunday. I might as well say what I am going to say now and ask for forgiveness later.
            .
            Is it any wonder then that some of the young Saudis look for their mates and can’t find one. What is left after the old men are done drives them religious.
            .
            May I reveal something here, what these fanatic young men don’t realize is having 70 plus females in your house wanting your attention is not exactly heavenly. (I am not being negative about women)
            .
            I promise, I am almost done. Could someone tell these young fanatics that the name of the place is not heaven.
            .
            Just to let you know, I do not hate all Arabs.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            when do you start generalizing? weren’t you always balanced with a mind that puts in to consideration everything and who thinks in all directions? what has gone wrong with in this Sunday?
            do you go to church early or not yet?

            do you also say “It is Sunday. I might as well say what I am going to say now and ask for forgiveness later.” you say what you want to say and ask forgiveness ? emm.!! I didn’t here from Arabs who said say and do anything you want and ask for forgiveness..

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You got it all mixed up. The Arabs ask for forgiveness first and kill. They praise God and kill. It is like pre-paid praise. They make their killings halal.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo, Ha ha ha, ” pre-paid”.

            Arabs? may be you are mixing ISIS and Arabs. I think there is some misunderstanding. ISIS and all other type of extremists never represent the people. If I will start to think in such way then I will have a big problem with you – are those who bomb my village representing Habesha? no my friend no.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            I was provoked. When I read some of the despicable acts one of their malcontents do to Abeshas, I couldn’t help from lashing out. That is the only weapon I have. I will try not to overgeneralize, sometimes it is hard.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            Terrible joke! It is a barbaric act that should be condemned instead of told as a joke. What do you expect from these people. It is not a joke. It is not funny, it is disturbing, it is disgusting, it is disgraceful, it is a barbaric act committed on a poor person by a moron, good for nothing, SOB.
            Saay, you don’t want to listen to what I want to say about your arabs because of the posting restrictions. Besides, I’m busy watching the Animal kingdom eating each other on TV. If you want to see it yourself it is on Animal Planet. That is what I watch when there is no soccer. I tell you it is equally entertaining. Group of Big Animals hunting and killing other animals . Beautiful!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,

            Relax man! Remember, man is here in this world to be examined. There comes time for every society to face wars. They are experiencing on how to pass the era as we had and still we have, what is new? it may only differ in degree.

            sometime jokes are born from deep throw feelings. jokes are born in hard times more than in soft, don’t you remember the jokes we had during Dergue.

            those days we have a lot of jokes in both Eritrea and Ethiopia do you want me put here some? እያለቀሱ መሳቅ – እየሳቁም ማልቀስ ያለና የነበረ ነው ኣቡየ ተረጋጋልኝ !

          • Abi

            Hi Kokobe
            I’m relaxing alright.
            Manchester United Vs Spurs
            Big game . There are also other games to watch. After that I switch to Animal Planet to watch the wild beasts hunting each other. It is interesting to see these animals hunt in a group and fight when they eat.
            You see Kokobe, I’m relaxed. I don’t know what else you want me to do to relax?

          • Kokhob Selam

            ጤና ይስጥልኝ ውንድምየ !

            see, you can only do what you can beyond that nature will not shoulder you anything that happens to the world. But do we (you and me ) call for peace? do we beg all sides to stop war? do we send massages to UN? do we send massages that touches the heart of those who are killing each other? do we sit and discuss on how to work for world peace? do we participate with those peace organizations? those are questions to answer and more… do we even are really well armed with knowledge and wisdom ?

            I mean we are suppose to do something instead of labeling them animals. Remember, we are here in this world to lift our soul to the higher to make ourselves source of peace to all who are behind. Love!

          • Abi

            Hi Kokobe
            It seems you don’t want to watch animal planet. It is ok. Why don’t you watch the Masters fighting for trophy. There is no Tiger around. It can’t get any better than watching the Masters getting at each other.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,
            we have agreed to delete hate and replace it with love – in fact unconditional love to every human being, we have agreed the first step to correct things is within, didn’t we?

            you see, I am visiting Arab countries frequently and I know almost all cultures of those Arab countries. Everywhere you go people in general are nice. All you have to do is study their system and you will never have problem if you follow it. If you don’t want to be governed by their system, then you need to leave them- that is all. Again that doesn’t mean you will not see some bad people and it is the same in other nations. I can’t hide that I love my culture more than any other culture in the world but I can’t force others to follow only my culture in their own nation. All I have to do is show them with my honesty and optimistic nature – that in turn will practically assure them that my culture is good. there are some cultures that might be important to adapt in my society but I need to study it.

            by the way Arabs are advancing in all fields – God has given them money without limit and are using it. If you visit Saudi Arabian Universities you will wonder the facilities ready for students. every year there is new development. I am not talking politics. But believe me you can ask and you will get answers for every inquiry. I mean things are not as you keep complaining.

            Learn Arabic Abo, read their stories, now their culture – create love within you by deleting hate – never describe them animals. I found also some Arabs who describe us the same and my advice to them will work by showing them practically in my daily life.

            today we are witnessing war in middle east but it is also there in our nations. the world needs people who excel love, not hate.

            you are from nations who kill their own young children without any reason like Eritrea and you are talking about others.. Lol.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            What are you talking about? You sound like working pro bono for the Arabs. They can afford the best lobbying firm for their PR. Save your energy to write poems .

            I’m talking about golf. You see life is not just politics. Take time to watch sports like the Masters from Georgia.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Sir,
            All my energy to write poems !

    • tes

      Selam Semere Tesfai,

      This funny cold-blooded reasoning. Can’t you just think ahead before trying to give a reason for the shooting?

      First of all, these military conscripts are forced. It is not their choice. They are enslaved under tight chains of strict command, “SHOOT-TO-KILL POLICY”. Remember, this policy is already under investigation by COiE.

      If those armed soldiers (in fact themselves are also slaves) have a strict command to follow, and the newly conscripted soldiers have nothing left for HOPE, what else is then possible to take as a liberating strategy? Ok, since you seem to be ditched in the PFDJ political narration, I won’t expect any kind of humanity coming from you. However, at least I didn’t expect to read such long hateftef.

      tes

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Dear All,
    To see how, who and Eritrea is run you can simply watch the reaction of Eritrean Embassy staff in London. Utter disrespect and incredible arrogance! Anyone who asks a question is woyane!
    I just would like to thank the women and men who brought these people’s real reactions to the surface.

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Dear all,
      My apologies, I forgot to mention the website. It is at ‘Asmarino.com’

      • dawit

        Sarah,
        So Woyane hooligans pretending as Eritreans visit Eritrean Embassy to vandalize the office as usual.
        Just if one speak Tigrnya does not qualify her/him as Eritrean.
        dawit.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear dawit,
          I don’t know you personally but I know those who went there and who were asking and one of the two men who were labeling them as Weyane. Let me assure you that you are converting people from Eritrea as Ethiopians and Ethiopians as Eritreans. go and find out why.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Khokeb and all,

            I was wondering about that too, not only Dawit comments but also the guy from the embassy.

            The question I have, who are these people, what is the thing that united them as such, to be so cruel, so evil not only their acts but their intention.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y,

            I use to ask the same question before 2010, it is a important question that should be answered during and before transformation period. I notice people with good knowledge have listed in different ways the reason behind becoming so cruel and selfish here. some have come with psychologically analyzed reasons (like Selam Kidane) and since then I start to study psychology Lol..

            But back in 2010 I try to list down each 10 most attached supporters of PFDJ from three towns. almost only one on each was free of crime in his past back ground personal history . that is personal servery. three among them were given warning letter in 1978 and 1979 from ELF as they were spying right in Asmara for ESEAPA and they enjoyed the end of ELF in the field and became EPLF. two had a revenge over our people as their parents were against our national freedom etc. and this was how I came to learn all PFDJ supporters had some kind of problem. But that is absolutely personal survey and may not help much.. I think all political fronts are supposed to do a complete survey to hit this aggressive line.This is not only good for today’s struggle but also for tomorrow’s nation building era.

            Now, there is another very important obstacle we are facing and that is the culture modified by PFDJ on the mind of supporters and also the culture of opposition — Diagnosing the situation in both opposition and PFDJ is very important now. We have a huge work in creating transformation period today and all parties should take fast action in providing people to work on this one. I think Medrek as party is trying to do something about it – the way I see it and the way they they depart shows the same. The problem with that party is still the face they have – I mean their own leadership history – totally suspected by people including me.

            why I brought this? I am trying to say we need a group born from all parties who should make a complete survey and the group should be with good experience in Eritrean struggle with different knowledge like international politics, psychology, social studies etc. don’t you think it is a big but important topic to talk about at this stage. I know I have gone a bit far from your question but it is really connected.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Khokeb,

            I just want to say thanks and you have made good observation. I will say more on Monday as I have no time now.

            And I hope others say more. My premis for asking is that, this is basically war (information war) and we don’t know who the enemy is, but the enemy knows are really well. And they use that information so that we fight each other and become suspicious of each other.

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Kokhob,

            Sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner and I got distracted. It’s really hard for me to keep up with the discussion, but I will try.

            The other day I was talking to a guy at a bar, I saw him after a long time. We had haden kilten long time ago about PFDJ, he is a die hard supporter. So this time we were just talking about family etc..and he tells me, it’s good that you are NOT involved in politics anymore (he doesn’t see as I use to before). He said “politica is dirty” and just take care of your family, leave those “duKumat opposition and he called one of my best friend”. Then I couldn’t take, I told him. What are you talking about, are you telling me, Eritrea is doing good under Isayas today…we had this conversation 10 years ago and the people have it the worst than it use to be…etc.. Always when I talk with PFDJ supporter, I am well prepared, I don’t lose my cool and I am ready for any confrontation that would come my way, be it physical or verbal abuse…But I try to get to their head and make them MAD..so what they actually feel can come out….anyway, I told him “look Isayas will be dead soon (say in 20 years if he is lucky by God or sooner may be by Man), so what will happen to Eritrea then.. Will it Die with HIM…

            Then he lost, he goes and tells me, if someone kills Isayas, I will dedicate my life and kill that person…that’s how series this guy is.. defending Isayas, I told him good for you..we will talk about than when it happened. I promised him, I will give him a call when that happened. In all our conversation he was saying, weyane, korakur weyane etc…

            Later someone tells me that, this guy actually is from Godayif…and his mother is from Tigray. Now don’t get me wrong, I love the people of Tigray, I grow up with them, I worked with them, I have family member who are married to them..but they never shy away from calling them selves Tegaru and a proud at that…If there is any African people that needs to be proud of their Heritage, I don’t think there will be anyone who even can come close to them and their history…(but that’s a topic for another day).

            So I ask my self what a person like that drives him to disown his own mother and all his relatives and is willing to die for someone who could never be a sworn enemy of his father side (Eritrea) and his mother side (Tigray). WHY?

            Some people say, “nay Awraja kilwlaw zelewom”, how can anyone have qilwlaw if his parents are happen to be from Tigray, Amhara or Italian for that matter. The person did not chose to be born like that and he has no choice to chose who his parents are…and what’s really there that makes one from “Eritrea” proud and one from “Tigray” quliwlaw…It’s really a mystery to me…

            Where I am going with this….

            I think anyone who is in the public office, that’s an office representing Eritrean in one forum of another (one who make a living by working for Eritrean government) is OPEN FIELD to me to get exposed who these person is. We do NOT go and blame their children, or their spouse or their parents, but these people have a choice, at least those who live in the Diaspora to either stay employed by the PFDJ system or SEEK asylum like everyone else and live a peaceful like if they chose to. But they should be (intimidating, spying, lying and making the lives of an Eritrean miserable) and getting away with it (like those Embassy stuff in London).

            So why we need to do this?

            1) First if we know who these people are, then we may know their past history (like criminals etc) and the reason why they are sticking with the regime (hold hostage).

            2) We know how to prevent future crimes they may be conspiring to do and create chaos after the fall of the regime.

            3) If we neutralize each and every PFDJ supporter as individual level (then it becomes a matter of personal interest first) and they will abandon the regime in drove (spill it’s secrets) and help it crumble.

            For example, these SACTISM guy is doing, exposing each corrupt individual with their pictures, their history, their past, where they come from, what school they attended etc..so that, they have nothing to hide any more…

            We can start our database with those embassy / consulate stuff abroad. (I think they will be less than 10) those PFDJ organizers etc..and we build our OWN DECK OF CARDS…

            Berhe

        • PTS

          dawit,
          the fact that Tsedal Yohanes being mentioned on the clip as Aster Yohanes’ sister, and you still don’t get it, makes me doubt you are Eritrean. Or it could be you are Eritrean with below average knowledge about Eritrea. Or, you are playing games.
          It can’t be outside the three….

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Eway, anta Dawit!!!
          Please find some other excuse! Tsedal Yohanes is Aster Yohanes’ sister. Aster yohanes is one of those brave Eritrean women who fought for the liberation for many many years. Unfortunately, she has been languishing in prison for the last 13 years along with her husband, petros Solomon. What is more is she was arrested just as the plane she flew in from USA landed. Her children who were waiting for her outside never saw her again. You need to learn more about why’s and who’s in the opposition. Eritreanism runs in our blood no one can take that way! Understand!
          So Dawit, who more Eritrean than this family? you?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sarah:

            Do you think dawit does not know who Tsedal is? He is just angry that she was not in prison the same like her sister, jailed because her husband was a G-15 member. It is bad/sad enough that a G-15 member is jailed but is worse Aster is jailed just becasue she was married to P.Solomon.

            So Dawit know, probalby he alrted PFDJ that she has friends who were symapthetic to theG-15. OK, yes Iam calling dawit a spy, a self admitted potential sex offender will be ok with spying on citgizens for some cheap change

            Woyane Hooligans? the group challenging the hired guns at the E. Embassy were far fro hooligans, respectful, peaceful, polite, unlike the realhoolings of PFDJ who threw chairs like gansgters,

            Irony, in 2001 PFDJ like dawit used to call muslim Eritreans jihadist and terrorist, a few years forwarded PFDJ was caught with its pans down sleeping with terrorists. they used to call demonstratros agame,a few years later we proved that PFDJ supporters like dawit , nitricc and Ted are either not Eritrea that is they are Agame, but denying it.If I hailed from Agame, I would never deny it,it is as hornorable palce asn any wher

          • Amanuel

            Dear Sara
            Please ignore dawit. He is not worth your time. He was yes man during HS and Mengstu and hasn’t changed a bit during IA.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Semere Andom,
    .
    I appreciate for your response and time.
    .
    Mr. K.H

  • Gogo

    Selam all,
    I just saw what Yemane Ghebremeskel tweeted and I am not surprised by the blatant lies and heartless manner he talked about the brutal killings of our brothers. This cynical foul-mouth has also said ” ንስራሕ ዝለኣኽናዮም ሰባት እኮ ኣይኮኑን” when some good people suggested to him the government of Eritrea issue a statement of condolences after the Lampedusa tragedy. This is from a man who whisked away his son to safety to Germany. (By the way, this what many higher PFDJ officials do. For example I heard from acquaintances that Yemane Ghebreab is looking for ways to send Ephream, his eldest son, to the UK for graduate studies.)

    The unbearable vulgarity of those who, from the safety and comfort of their live in the West, are engaged in balderdash is just nauseating. One is lost what to say to a person who compares those who were killed on Sunday with suicide bombers and to the one who holds the victims and the victimizers equally responsible. This is unbelievably crazy and disheartening.

    Somewhere in the thread, there was a discussion/bewilderment/wailing of/at how Eritreans are docile and what might have caused their presumed passivity. From where I stand, the description of our people inside the country as such is simplistic and does not really account for the different ways people are designing to defy the brutal regime. For example, the news of what happened on Sunday was published on Awate and Assenna not because these websites consult witch doctors but because fearless patriotic Eritreans feed them despite wide spread surveillance and the grave consequence communicating with opposition elements entails.

    • saay7

      Selamat Gogo:

      You made all my points, particularly in your last paragraph: I have to tell you that when awate.com gets leads, tips, news from sources in Eritrea we are always stunned at their courage (given the horrific punishment the Gov would inflict on such a person for communicating with the enemy) and the marvel is not how little people do but how much given the brutality of the regime.

      On your first point: this is exactly the reason while I rail against Mzungus and their reporters. Last year, for example, Dudduetsch Zetung (SZ), Zuri Serie, and many others interviewed Yemane Gebremeskel about National Service. When he is expounding on how important it is, and why nobody is exempt, and why there is no privileged class in Eritrea, not one reporter asked (or could ask, because they don’t know): “excuse me, then in that case, why is your own son in Frankfurt right now?” If there is no privileged and corrupt class, why is it that senior government officials and their spouses get visas for medical care outside the country and ordinary citizens can’t?

      On your second point, well, I think Eyob is on to something. It is still Plato’s allegory of the cave: when you are conditioned to live in the dark, the shadows are more real than those who cast the shadows.

      saay

    • Nitricc

      Gogo; can you do me a fev? can you look it up the definition of “victim” for me; please? I never thought a person of your caliber will act dishonestly. i get it you oppose the government but you don’t have to oppose the truth. for your information; they jumped from a moving car. When you face between the truth and an urge to score politically; always chose the truth.

      • Gogo

        Selam Nitricc,
        If you are asking me in earnest, here is how Free dictionary defines a ‘victim’: a person or thing that suffers harm, death, etc, from another or from some adverse act, circumstance, etc: victims of tyranny. Let me give you an example closer to you, as a person living in the states that is, which you might find easier to relate to. Slave fugitives in the United states were subjected to amputation of limbs, whippings, branding, lynching, lashing and other some such cruel punishments. Would you say the slave fugitives were responsible for their misfortune? I do not understand how you are blaming people who are as young as you with a lot of dreams to realize, with life to build and and a future to make in trying to escape the prospect of indefinite servitude and in the process get brutally killed in a broad daylight. It would not be surprising coming from an old uneducated flag waving mekete guy but coming from you, a supposedly young man, who can related with his age group is disconcerting, to say the least.

    • Lamek

      Gogo. Splendid comment. You are a shining star my friend. I hope you can do articles every now and then with that analytical Saayisque brain.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Tedi,
    sorry sir, the massage confuse me as tedi and Tedi will you accept,I really apologies for this one. you know I was excited to see you start to be on the side of justice seekers. But it is unfortunate still you are not moving from your camp.

    your instruction to leave this form will make me even more strong to be around awate Never expect that to happen at all, only death will separate me from this wonderful site.

  • sara

    Dear all Ethiopians and ethophilies in this forum,
    Thank you for all the sympathy shown and the condolences comments made, to the recent story by assena on the tragic death of my
    Compatriots. I also would like to retreat our deep sorrow and concern on the death, distraction, famine in your country as reported by the world media.
    May peace reign the region.

    • Abi

      Hi sara
      That is a very nice of you.
      Yeqenyeley.

      • sara

        Oh ..abi,
        You seem you are nearby, I wish if there was a posiblity you stop by , as I am preparing to make Bunn for the family.

        • Abi

          Hi sara
          I’m always nearby. Next door to be exact. I smell the coffee already. I will bring qicha.
          Make the bunn strong. On my way …

  • Nitricc
    • saay7

      Hey Nitricc:

      So soon? 🙂 One video deserves another. Here are the embassy officials in the UK: see how they react when they are asked by citizens they supposedly represent to explain Black Sunday:

      (a) Awkward silence (they hadn’t been given the script yet)
      (b) Videotape the citizens to report them to National Security office in Eritrea.

      http://youtu.be/1Do2lM4Yz5g

      saay

      • Nitricc

        Hahahah SAAY; I had no choice; we are going in circles. lol. in my mind; there can not be justice with out accountability. they gambled foolishly and lost.

        • saay7

          Hey Nitricc:

          Sometimes I think you have a basket of fortune cookies and you just flip the special of the day and post it here:) You just said “there can not be justice without accountability” yet (a) you accuse just seekers of being revenge-seekers; (b) you are always shielding your government from any accountability. Moreover, remember when you were inconsolable about the loss of Oromo lives? Why didn’t you apply whatever fortune cookie wisdom you have found now: they gambled, they lost. Really? So ur code of ethics is not right wrong but win lose?

          Let me walk u thru this: A government whose first resort is violence tried to solve an issue that confronts most governments in the world violently. Then it tried to cover it up for a week. When that didn’t work, it lied about it.

          The toothless are laughing at the clueless and the gutless, Nitricc. Don’t choose the wrong side: you don’t have to be an opposition to side with the murdered and badly wounded.

          Saay

          • Nitricc

            SAAY; i thought we established that the government is not accountable? What is the point beating the dead horse then? This is my entire argument! If the opposition has conclude that this government is ether accountable nor responsible why go ballistic then? anyone should obey whatever the rules are because the government is what it is or have guts and fight it of. How hard is to understand the reality? SG suggested that there is a dignity in to trying to be free or die trying to escape; i say why not have the dignity in fighting what you don’t like and to right what is wrong?

          • saay7

            Selamat Nitricc:

            Assuming this is a serious question*, when a government is not accountable, you don’t say, “oh well, I guess that’s the way things are”; you expose it (“go ballistic”) to the world, particularly when there is a large squadron of people (Nehna Nsu) who say it is accountable and a whole lot of Mznugus who say that it is. Otherwise, their narrative wins.

            You keep talking about “rules”. Is there a rule that says that if you jump off a military truck, when you are not in a state of war, you will be shot at? What is your idea of “fighting”, by the way? Do you understand what “civil disobedience” means?

            saay

            * Ted, I know you said you perfectly understood Nitricc’s points. I really don’t; maybe you can help out a brother. If I am distracted, I am probably celebrating Warriors hit the big 70. Second team in the NBA to ever have 70 wins.

          • Ted

            Hi saay, you know it, i am all about helping brother out;-) The cause of this and probably many unreported incidents is extended NS and the Gov is not willing to budge on its stand for the reason it is an obligation of citizens that ” we are being threatened by TPLF”). The oppositions and many foreign elements know and oppose the GoE’s stand for one reason or another, regardless the GoE has made it clear to do whatever it take to continue with its policy. Nittricc is saying why is this news to you if people get killed in the process?

          • saay7

            Hey Ted:

            Now there are two people I am not understanding:) If his argument is “an irresponsible govt which is accountable to no one it will always be irresponsible” (that is: he has conceded that point and made peace with it and regularly praises this irresponsible and unaccountable govt), then why is he surprised when those who call ourselves opposition, um, oppose this irresponsible and criminal act?

            The PFDJs suicidal indefinite conscription policy is not the PFDJs policy: it is an Isaias policy. Last year the top echelon of the PFDJ (led by Yemane Gebreab) spent most of the year persuading the world that National Service shall be limited; then XaHgarito came and undid it all (just as he did after they spent years persuading the world the 1997 constitution is implemented except for national elections.) So the problem is not PFDJism but Isaiasism (please n Amanuel Hdrat Hazeley; he is coming with his betri.) and the whole nuttiness of accepting indefinite conscription is based on a massive miscalculation: that TPLF is about to be swept out of power and the next gov will be reasonable. This prediction has been made since 2005 and every disturbance in Ethiopia is seen as “this is the big one! I am coming to you Elizabeth!” in the words of Stanford (from Stanford & Son.). Do you think the PFDJ hierarchy who have conscription age children want their children in indefinite conscription? They don’t; and their form of civil disobedience is to sneak their children out or find them a cushy civil service job and hell yeah you and I and Nitricc would have done the same thing–which is why all his talk of “rules” is grating.

            I have accepted your gracious congrats of the Warriors.

            Saay

          • Ted

            Hi Saay, the number people “I am not understanding” is going up, do you count Amanuel Hidrat too.;-)I will leave- system vs IA to AH. I might agree with him in the future if he does not mix old politics with current affairs. The expression “why so surprised” is what happening not the idea the oppositions exposing the incidents. I also think ,if it were not for opposition media, GoE wouldn’t say nothing about everything.
            Warriors, your welcome, i have to learn to accept your choice now to pick up the pieces later.

          • saay7

            Yo yo Ted:)

            But that “why are you surprised” can go to infinity and beyond:) Why is Nitricc surprised that the opposition is opposing what the IA gov did? One of the problems of having one party state with state media is that people never come to terms with what an opposition is supposed to do and what the media is supposed to do. When they ocassionally see flickers of that they get, to use one of Nitriccays fave words, discombobulated :). Gele gele sebat define fairness and objectivity as blaming everyone when the murderer is standing next to them holding his bloody knife.

            Meanwhile, in a galaxy far far away, did you see spacex, Dragon and the landing of a rocket vertically in a drone named “of course I still love you?” I demand that all our engineering and science major Eritreans stop everything and explain how it happened:)

            http://www.spacex.com/webcast

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi Saay, did you deposited a grand for Telsa 3, the landing is amazing. I wonder how much they save by doing this. Any nerd around here?

        • Ted

          Hi Nitricc, for what it is worth we got the other side of the story. We can argue the sincerity of some of comments but the News coming from some medias and opposition about the shooting and whatnot was instrumental to make people engage in this incident and beyond. The fact is, change is badly needed how things are done be it supporter of NS or outright Op-poser. BTW, i understand your take clearly.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi All;
    Can you not see how the issue is hijacked by a two people, one who thinks he is a critical thinker and then believes the story line of Yemane G. One says they committed suicide when he hides his own teenage kids in USA.
    Let us call these two ppl what they really are: a one celled tormented soul and an ageing man with multiple citizenships and who declared he will serve any government elected or not. tyrannt or a killer

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear tedi,

    are you the same tedi ? now are you really telling us you are for change? I will congratulate you if you are the same tedi and that is one step forward. Hey, but you must remember you can’t be for justice unless first bow and ask pardon from people. And remember you can’t be as honest as people who fought for years and don’t try to be converted from one side just by labeling people like me as PFDJ supporters.

    the above massage of mine is a clear call for you and for your likes to show you our even our heroes who fought for our national freedom are sorrow of the result to the level even are saying we have done mistakes. why not you?

    leaving your personal attack on me (as it is completely useless) I will still argue you not to be against one man only like those who try to shoulder the mistake to PIA. PIA is one man as I always say it and he is not supper man or magician to stay for all those years on power..what you should fight is the system, the system and the system. so let it be clear blaming IA still will not make you a man of justice. to put it clear for you those who served PFDJ in top position ( like Mesfen Hagos) are sure criminals equal to him unless they ask pardon before PFDJ comes down — I know that is making you crazy and you will be forced to swallow it.

  • Kokhob Selam

    ኣሕዋት ዕውታት :-
    ኣንታ ሰሚዕኩም ዶ ? ኣንቱም ሰባት ኣዝዩ ዘሐጉስ ግዳ ኣዝዩ ዘብኪ መልእኽቲ ውግኣት ሓርነት ዶ ሰሚዕኩም ? ሎሚ መዓልቲ ኣዝዩ ረዚን ሰምዕታ ኣብ ኣሰና assenna.com እየ ሰሚዐ:: ውግኣት ሓርነት – እቶም ፍርቂ ኣካሎም ዝጎዶሉ ኣብ ሞንጎ ሞትን ህይወተን ዝነብሩ ዘለው -ብጅዋት ኣናብስና ሲ ይቅሬታ ክሓቱ ?

    ኣንታ እዞም ኣብ ትሕቲ መሪሕነት ኣብ ዝለዓለ ጸፍሒ ዘገልገሉ እሞ – ብዙሕ ጌጋታት ፈጺሞም ክንሶም ሎሚ “ክንቃወም ኢና ” ዝብሉና ዘለው በዓል መስፍን ሓጎስን መሰልቱን ሲ መጥሓን ተሰኪሞም ይቅሬታ ክሓቱ ዝግበኦም ክንሶም ሲ ናብ ሓደ ውልቀሰብ ሓላፍነት ኣሰኪሞም ንጹሃት ከምዝነበሩ ክገልጹ ዶ ምተገበኦም ?

    እዚ መልእኽቲ መፈልምታ መረዳእታ ኣተኣራርማ ጌጋታትና እዩ :-ኣብ ሓዲሽ መድረኽ ኣቲና !!

    ኣጆኹም ኣሕዋት ውጉኣት ሓርነት ኣብ ጎንኹም ኣለና : ንበል ! ድምጽኹም ኣስምዕዎም !

    ኮኾብ ሰላም

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam KS,
      The message by the disabled veterans is pitch-perfect. I have never heard such a powerful and empowering message for a long time. I am stunned really.
      Yours,
      Ghezae

  • zero

    Hi All

    When do you think the Eritrean people rise up and say enough is enough ? It is really sad we could not take any action from the belly . what a sad time to be. The Eritrean people who live in Eritrea are suffering on daily basis while we can do nothing .
    The Eritrean people should not count on any one be it the opposition and the international community. The international community is on short of time to talk about Eritrea due to different urgent circumstances in other region of the world. Again as before we should count on ourselves and not others. Very sad that in this website still we have people who defend this evil government in asmera.I feel very sad to see the hard working eritrean activists all over the world galvanized by selfserving very few idiots .

    • Ali

      Well, the answer is obvious why no one is doing anything. Eritrea is not only a country based on nationalism but also it is divided through ethnic, linguistic and religious lines.

      Eritrean regime is led by the Tigrinia group from controlling the government, military and the economics since 1991 while leaving all ethnic groups left out and marginalized. Not to mention, carving out lands and using their ethnic language as a compulsory language of Eritrea. Similar to the Amharization of Ethiopia under Selassie, we’d call it Tigrinization of Eritrea.

      Most Eritrean ethnic groups felt mistrusted toward Tigrinia especially the Saho, Jeberti, Kunama, Afar and the western lowland Tigre due to large portions of lands they lost to them and the marginalization of their ethnic/faith then sometimes, due to historic tensions (Abyssinia and Jebha-ELF vs Shabia-EPLF etc). So, for the starters, they won’t get along especially at this situation.

      Second, not all are loyal to nationalism. Afar wants to dominate their own, Tigre to their own and etc. Can you imagine if PFDJ falls and each ethnic groups would be awakened and grab the upper hand of Eritrea since right now, it is only led by one group. Similar to Ghaddafi’s tribe or Siad Barre’s one clan domination of pre-90 Somalia etc/

  • Dear All,

    What is the reason some people lack empathy, do not feel moral responsibility, guilt, remorse or shame and always stand on the wrong side of history? Why are they insensitive to the tragedy of other people? Why do they say, whatever happens, it is always the victim’s fault? Is there somebody, a psychologist, in Awate University with an explanation?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Horizon,

      someone with good knowledge on the subject will reply to you hopefully. But for now I would say those are the men and women who are lost and unable to find their own self. When someone is lost in the cowed he keep blaming the victim and becomes part of the problem. enjoy the poem bellow ..

      ……………..ነፍሴን ፍለጋ……………..

      ያ ኣካል በድን – ሟች ኣይደል ረጋፊ :-
      ጥርስ ቆራጭ ምላሱ ለፍላፊ :-
      ለጥቅሙ ሲል ሌሎችን ዘላፊ :-
      ሌባ ኣይደል የሌላን ዘራፊ ::

      ያም ሆኖ ኣይደሰት ኣይሆንለት ሰላም :-
      ነገሮችን ሲደባልቅ ዕረፍት ኣያገኝም :

      በትናንት ና ነገ ያለችውን ዛሬ:-
      ኣጉል ያጠፋታል በኣሉባልታ ወሬ::

      ኣይ!!!!!

      ነብስን ነው ማግኘት :-
      ሃቅን ለመዳኘት :-
      ደስታ ውስጥ መዋኘት :-
      መኖር የዘልኣለም ህይወት :-

      ታድያ:-
      ነፍሴን ፍለጋ –
      …….ክረምት ኣልል በጋ –
      ……………..ቆላ ኣልል ደጋ –
      ………………እየመሸ ነጋ –
      ………………….ስታጠፍ ስዘረጋ –
      ………………………ኣልተገኘችም ተሸሽጋ ::

      እንነቴን የግድ ማግኘት ብየ –
      ጉዞየን ቀጠልኩት ሁሉን ነገር ጥየ ::

      ምክር ብጠይቅ መንገዱን የሚያሰይ –
      ሁሉም እንደኔ ነው የኖረ ሲሰቃይ –
      እራሱን ለመፍለግ በምድር በሰማይ –
      ሲበር የሚኖር ሲቀያይር ጠባይ ::

      ኣንድ ቀን – ፍጹም ሲታክተኝ :-
      ቁጭ ብየ ሳስብ እራሴን ስቃኝ :-
      ብልጭ ብላ ታየችኝ ቆማ ስትጠብቀኝ :-
      ኣካሌ ኣይደለም — ራሴ ነፍስ ነኝ::

      ወይ’ኔ እኔነቴ !!!!!
      ኣንችን ፍለጋ ይገርማል መጥፋቴ:-
      በውስጤ እያለሽ ርቄ መዝመቴ ::

      የዚች ኣለም ሚስጥር ተጋለጠ :-
      ራሴን ኣገኘሁኝ – ፈነዳ ያበጠ ::

      ለካ ሁሉም ችግር የሚፈታው :-
      ሀ – ብሎ ሲጀምር ራስን ሲያገኙ ነው ::

    • dawit

      Dear Horizon,
      Can you consider a suicide bomber as a victim?
      dawit

      • tes

        hi dawit,

        Indeed a suicide bomber can be a victim. Of course you don’t remember your history but let me remind you about “FEDAYIN” of ELF and EPLF. Those trained suicide bombers had a reason to be and what let them to be is nothing but a great cause.

        Now, as for The BLACK SUNDAY TRAGEDY, Ok, I won’t be surprised if you call them self-suiciders. But they enslavement and forced conscript is a cause that forced them to take a choice between life and death.

        tes

        • dawit

          hi tes,
          Those who gave their lives to liberate Eritrea, we call them ‘Tegadelti’. Those who run away from their responsibilities we call them traitors. By the way what time is in France?
          dawit

      • Dear dawit,

        My friend, we must be extremely careful when we discuss issues that are extremely dangerous. If these jihadists detonate the dirty bomb in the center of a western capital (God forbid, because they will not hesitate for a second if they lay their hands on it, so that they are rewarded with the 44 virgins, who are waiting for them), is it the action of a victimizer or a victim? I am returning the question to you.
        In my opinion there are two types of suicide bombers.
        First: Those who have hate as their world view and want to do damage or even annihilate those who believe in a different theological doctrine, and want to turn the whole world into a world of one religion under one Islamic power (not the classic Islam which I believe is opposed to such philosophy). Their aim is to cause terror and fear and bring maximum physical and psychological damage, especially to unsuspecting innocent civilians. They turn against the country of their birth and people among whom they grew up (e.g. Belgium, France etc), or they become airplane suicide bombers as in 9/11, where about 3000 lives were lost. Those who caused this horrendous crime, is it possible to call them victims, in any way imaginable? I call them beasts.

        Second: There are the few unfortunate, who could be called victims, who are brain-washed, coerced, intimidated and their ignorance exploited. Examples are the girls that were abducted by Boko Haram and later sent back to become suicide bombers, and the eight years old mentally retarded Palestinian boy who years ago was sent to become a suicide bomber and did not even know what was happening, and was disarmed by the Israelis, are victims of those psycho- and socio-paths, who know only to hate and cause damage, and do not have love even for their own people

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Horizon,
      .
      Such a clear question. Such a simple question.
      .
      I think you got your answer. You asked for a psychologist in earnest, dawit showed up fully prepared to operate.
      That, my friend, is the problem.
      .
      I heard the following story from an Indian teacher at Tefari Makonnen High School, umpteen years ago.
      .
      There was this Gorilla and his little gorilla daughter grilling nuts in an open fire. The daddy Gorilla saw the nuts popping. He looked to the left and he looked to the right for a twig or something to take out the ready to eat nuts. He couldn’t see anything in the proximity. He did, what a decisive Gorilla would do. He took the hand of his little daughter and used it to take out the nuts from the fire.
      .
      Something to ponder.
      .
      Mr. K.H

    • Nitricc

      Horizon;
      Where were your morals; your empathy and your remorse when your Weyane-Tigray mowing downs the innocent and unarmed Oromos? You never said a single word against your tribal junta.

      • Nitricc,
        At least in our case, when about 200 were killed in the last uprising, nobody dared come out and say, “They have caused their own death”, because no government elected or otherwise has the right to commit extrajudicial killing under any circumstance whatsoever.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam All
    Condolences to the affected families. ጽንዓት ይሃብኩም/ይሃበና። This is a continuation of similar atrocities by the regime. Shame on the “journalists” who promote their TV station as a station that serves the truth. ERI-TV is as usual quiet serving what the government assigns to be true. From the height of Forto where the station is situated, the area where the incident is reported to have taken place is visible. The offices, journalists and the towers have a panoramic view of Asmara. The hospital where the wounded are said to be taken is not too far. If they chose to turn their eyes away, they definitely heard the shots and the wailings of the mothers. Alas! they were busy serving the “truth.” Shame on you all. Be yourself, trust your instincts, brave up, even for a moment. The best you could do is abandoning the station and support your families using legitimate means. For how long are you going to be used, all of you, yes, all the people who are becoming the direct means of oppression and suppression of our people?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mahmuday,
      Great voice!

    • AOsman

      Dear MS,

      I was accused of pointing fingers at the wrong people (the guards who were on shooting spree), yours is even worse. As you suggested some may have even left the station using legitimate excuses for the day, but we would not know. To expect EriTV employees to report it through the channel is asking them to try a suicide mission. All they can do safely is report it through their private email, that they might be doing in sharing what they know with Assenna, Awate and others.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Aosman

        My message has two levels. That the propaganda machines of the regime do only one thing and it’s called propaganda. They call it “serving the truth.” The people running the system (its propaganda and political arms) shoulder a varying degree of responsibility. I’m not talking here about the poor conscript kids. I’m addressing a thin layer of the propaganda machination, the few who keep running those arms of oppression; a few individuals are fully aware that the system they are serving is crushing the nation they had fought to establish to pieces, day after day. I’m targeting the few who should better know what they are doing. You know exactly what I mean, don’t you abu Affan? Individuals who are serving the real truth by sharing and disseminating inside information, as you believed they might be doing, then those individuals are not my target. Another point, it’s all about conscience. I know many people who left those places because they felt reporting what they don’t believe in contradicted their inner self. Let me stop there.

        • AOsman

          Dear MS,

          I understand your point, differentiating the enablers and the victims of the regime is a point that will cause debates, but we know where the ultimate buck stops. That is what matters until change comes.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Berhe Y

            Dear AOsman and MS,

            The Eri-TV host (Asmelash Abreha) I hear, was the main news anchor during the Derg regime on the radio. I don’t remember because there was no tv station broadcasted from Eritrea at ttimehat , may be but to actually think to make him the main anchor of Eri-TV as if there is no body can do the job is really shame.

            So him being the director general of Eri-TV, what can one expect from such people.

            Berhe

          • Semere Andom

            Hi BY:
            Asmelash was in Ghedli during Ghedli. But he is 100% from Tigray, born and raised in Asmara

          • Amanuel

            Hi Semere Andom
            His mother from Adi Quala and father from Adwa and he was born and raised in Asmara. He spent his youth fighting for the independence of Eritrea. I am not defending his current position or action, just stating the facts.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Aman:
            I am sure you are not defending his actions, no worries;-)
            Well as far as I know he is 100% from Adwa, but it does not matter, he is wielding power now, more than his anchoring duties, he has the power to arrest and release. But you maybe correct.

            But his was a fighter as your said at some point, stationed in Somalia doing security before moving to D. hafash

          • Amanuel

            Hi SA,
            To be fair i don’t associated the staff he has been caused of with his personality. He was very down to earth person, but you never know people change.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amanuel,

            Thank you for clarification.

            Like I said I heard but I wasn’t sure and I didn’t remember him. But I read/heard somewhere before, I couldn’t exactly remember where.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel

            Hi Berhe Y
            You are wrong on Asmelash Abrha. He never worked for Derg, He is tegadaly and was serving at Dmitsi Hafash.

    • dawit

      Selam Mahmud.
      It seems you were pressed to write something condemning Eritrean government and its institutions without confirming the truth, just because it is reported by Assena and Awate. What if this whole drama is a haux news like the fake death of PIA? If the news is not reported by Eritv, then it must be the latest fabricated Sactism news for the April’s Fool Month.
      Cheers
      dawit

      • AOsman

        Dear Dawit,

        Many of us have contacts in Asmara, it is easy to confirm we are not talking about news in Beijing. Have a break from the foolishness for once.

        Regards
        AOsman

      • Nitricc

        Hey dawit; according to the Eritrean officials; two were dead and 11 wounded. None of them were shooting by a bullet. The firing was warning shots to the air. That is the true story about the “ black Sunday” and the “ massacre”

        • Haile WM

          Hello Nitric,

          it took Yemane Charlie too long to admit there was an incident then ? Sure ! You say “according to Eritrean Officials” then you say “that is the truth” 😉 according to you Eritrean Officials only say the truth.

          The only thing I don’t understand why the hell the police were shooting in the air if the two dead and 11 wounded were only because they jumped from the trucks ?

        • saay7

          Hi Nitricc:

          Whenever awatistas are piling on on you, I withdraw because I don’t all of us toothless folk beating up on you. First, I give you credit for not totally denying it which is what a lot of the other side of the toothless (shall we call them the clueless) did all week. I mean they were real nasty on twitter. So, hats off.

          Second, let me tell you what happened yesterday: On twitter, I made two arguments to the Minister of Information (@hawelti):

          (a) the gov of Eritrea has not said a word about the incident for 5 days. But, even more shameful, when the only people it seems accountable to (EU or a Western journalist) comes asking, it will;

          (b) I linked the great post by Mahmuday which asks this question: how is the MoI, located in Forto, from which you can scan all of Asmara, not reporting on an incident that is literally visible to it?

          This morning @hawelti responded. I am NOT saying that my question is related to his answer. I am saying his post does not answer our questions, and here’s why:

          If the incident is an accident, why did it take you five days to report it? Other sad incidents (like news of buses overturning, or flood) are reported the same day or next day. Why was the government silent on this until the sixth day?

          So, that is the flaw with your argument and your easy embrace of the story. What most likely happened is that the MoI was getting inquiries from his real bosses (Western embassies in Eritrea, Western journalists) and he came up with transparent bullshit that they (and only they) can buy because they have no context at all. No knowledge of how the government buries, spins news. How do I know this? Because the news is still not reported to Eritreans in their language and in their media: no Eri-TV, no Hadas Ertra, no dimtsi Hafash. And they can’t because then the people who actually witnessed the incident would compare what they saw and heard with what the gov is telling them and say, “well, if it is lying to us about this, what else it is it lying about?”

          saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            Perfect comment except it cannot be abserved the buffer has over flown and the division to multiply has not occured yet

        • dawit

          Hey Nitricc;
          How can you prevent someone from commuting suicide by jumping from a moving truck? I believe those are victims of opposition propaganda broadcasted 24 hours daily to run away from their duties.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato dawit
            Very insensitive for a father of an ivy league graduates. These are teenagers who lost their lives.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            I don’t know, if you remember, but I do. Almost EXACTLY the same thing happened, during the last couple of final years of the Derg. Beherawi Wutidrina recruits used to jump out of tracks in the same way. Even Mengistu complained about it in public in Awassa with university students. The similarities of the behaviors of the Derg and PFDJ are so striking. Isayas and Mengistu also have a lot of things in common, except Isayas is much more cold blooded and crueler….

          • Abi

            Hi Eyobe
            I remember the last years of derg. Do you remember about ” melso zemach” where derg took the retired people back to the war front. Derg and PFDJ are very similar. In case you forgot we used to say Shabiya is derg in Tigrigna. The difference is derg was changing a bit after it declared mixed economy.
            Menge mengage and Isu chisu are identical.

          • saay7

            Selamat Eyob and Abi:

            Yeah, but do you know of any Ethiopians who were supportive of the Derg’s conscription of young Ethopians? There’s where we excel: we have Eritreans, who have exempted themselves from national service, now cursing their compatriots (their own age group) for choosing to live.

            If you are from Asmara, and you are passing by your town on route to the furthest place from your town (Asab) and you know that you will be stuck in menial labor, for an indefinite period, and you may never see your family again, and you are going to the part of Eritrean from which there is no chance of crossing borders, and you have a brutal commanding officer who will abuse you: isn’t the most natural instinct to escape?

            There is probably no country on Earth that can justify compulsory national service more than Israel. But even there, where national service is narrowly defined, there was so much draft-dodging that the country is considering having an all-volunteer army. But then Israel does not use its youth as sources of cheap manual labor.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Here is the reason why a good chunk of young Eritreans tragically supportive of this hedious regime. As soon as EPLF got a hold of power, it did not engage in nation building. It rather engaged in (heavily) in shaping societies, brain washing, robbing people of their cultural and religious heritages and with it their sense of decency.. A good number of young people, were raised by the state that way. They never were children of their parents, they were children of the state, who it can use as a tool when ever it wants. Their minds have been possessed, even after they were out of its grip… They don’t talk of their concience. Many of them don’t think for themselves. They grew up EPLF/PFDJ thinking for them. They are afraid to try to have their own minds think. They grew up outsourcing that task to EPLF/PFDJ. They don’t know how to get their concience back. Their minds back.They don’t know how to get their soul back from it. I am afraid with most of them, it may be too late to make them think like normal human beings again…And that is very sad..

          • Berhe Y

            Dear All,

            First of the comparison of PFDJ abs DERG in terms of NS. There is no comparison at all. Just try to put the numbers into perspective. There were 107 qebele and they took on average 2-3 per qebele for a total of 300 or do from all Asmara. PFDJ takes close to 25,000 every round, I think they had 2 rounds per year.

            Even for DERG, I think it can be justified. It was waging a war, where the separation of Eritrea and loss of ports could mean a lifeline for the whole country.

            What justification can PFDJ have for all this? Someone told me who went through the system told me, from they day you arrive, they accept you with sticks. For anything, they a stick to beat you up, wake up with a stick, walk with a stick, run with a stick, everything. So they install terror and they made them submissive. Basically it’s not national service or training but torture, to install fear.

            Support the regime:
            I personally never come across who support this regime who went through Sawa. I say confidently more than 90% do not support these regime, with the very few exception who are tied (their parents or relatives) with the system and who left with some sort of arrangement and want to go back.

            Other than that the majority do NOT support the regime or its NS. However a lot of them are worried what the future will be for Eritrea. There is a great deal of suspicions towards Ethiopia / weyane and their intentions and for that matter that of the opposition and that could be because of the propaganda and training they went through.

            As far as the lack of motivation to fight back, I think it’s because they are looking for themselves and they don’t see the benefit of removing the state through armed conflict. They don’t believe in the opposition, be it their lack of organization or lack of unity.

            As to PFDJ controlling them, I think it’s further from truth. They are very well informed and they know and differentiate good governance and one made up of lies.

            PFDJ being equal opportunity oppressor, I think it will make its demise easier and to some degree it will be a brighter hope.

            Just my 2 cents

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            Nobody I knew supported the Derg NS. There were some who benefited out of it . The likes of Qebele officials took bribes to look the other way. The major difference between the two NS is in derg time if you are a student or if you are employed you are exempted. I personally know a guy who walk around with an empty briefcase pretending he is employed. A high school or college students were exempted. The problem is if you failed ESLCE and live in a dominantly poor neighborhoods, then you are in trouble. Bad times. Honestly, I really feel sorry for the youth wasting their lives in the deserts.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          So You are telling us the two innocent citizen are not killed by shooting. What is the cause of their death then? What did the official told you the cause of their death? Are you going to tell us the cause of their death is from the jumping not from the shooting? you are a lost kid. We tried to help you to understand the situation, but you are a completely conditioned person to serve the evil regime. I am done with you until you come to your sense.

  • Semere Andom

    Why we need the PFDJ supporters
    Hi All:
    Remember they are not created equal, some of them are retards with learning disability, some have mental disorders, and some are opportunist protecting their “tehanit” to borrow SGJ’s apt description. But thanks to the USA and other western countries the retards have special schools, those with mental disorders, have their dictionaries to hide their unintelligible gibberish so some people will say,” eti wedi mhur eyu, liqq, ede solemun…” and the copporunists milk the system in their adapted countries for scholarships for their kid’s future but deny the same dignity to others.

    Now, truth does not always win, the failed state that PFDJ has created may throw the county to perpetual chaose, but if we manage to get rid of PFDJ and after a few years Eritreans manage to replace PFDJ with a government of humans we will need artifacts for our museums, all the retards, the mentally sick, their writing and the opportunists’ speechs so kids can be reminded of the past, so they can watch and protect their liberty, dignity with vigilance, always refusing to rest on their laurels. We need the supporters for teaching as guinapigs in our political system labs to remember them with disgust like Hitler and other humanity’s notorious criminals a chapter of these pantheons in Eritrea

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Semere Andom,
      .
      Do you have any idea where our regular participant “Peace” is these days? No matter.
      .
      However, I do have 2 perplexing questions to you. If you can or others can explain and answer to the degree that makes sense, I would appreciate it.
      .
      SAAY, used the National Service Proclamation as the barometer of testing the commitment and loyalty of the diaspora supporters of the Government.
      Nitricc made, at least, an attempt to answer it by tap dancing badly.
      .
      Question 1)
      .
      What are the real truthful answers, if they were capable of telling, why they wont sign up ?
      (I believe, one truthful answer is, are you crazy, I don’t want to sacrifice for anybody.)
      .
      Question 2)
      .
      Why are military age diaspora young people coming and going for vacations as tourists without being questioned for their exemption papers?
      Is there unwritten understanding between the Government and the Eritrean tourists that the issue of the National Service proclamation will not be raised? ( kind of don’t ask, don’t tell.)
      .
      Mr. K.H

  • tes
  • Semere Andom

    Hi All:

    Have any one heard about the news Assenna is reporting regarding the new batch of house demolition in Eritrea. It is conceivable that at least one person has heard about it given the one degree separation in Asmara.

    Most likely, these are the newly built houses and since no permits for building even renovations were issued for almost a decade, but the people used the corrupt PFDJ system to build them. Also mostly likely these houses are owned by or the relatives and families of the young people who braved the Deseret and high seas to Europe and Israel.

    5000 houses seems too many, when did this project of demolition start? Assenna did not say. But let assume that this is true, and let us consider the assumption that all or a sizable number of these houses are owned by the people who in the last few years took risks of organ trafficking, downing in the sea and dying in the desert. Once they reach the dreamlands of freedom, they forget everything, “hallifu” and then they toil and send the hard earned money and build houses. PFDJ takes their hard currency and looks the other way around when they “illegally” build the houses and then they come and demolish it, then other batch of people will do the same: take the same risks and make it to freedom and then send money and build houses, PFDJ takes the hard earned money and looks the other way when the people build houses without permit, oxymoron, permit from a government that should not be permitted in the first place and then the illegal government demolishes the so called “illegal” houses and the vicious cycle continues, jus like our “kudda” until the kebor stops, PFDJ koboer is still drumming, albeit with diminished sound

    Many questions come to mind, why is all the suffering that PFDJ and it heartless, mindless and mentally deranged supports are inflicting onto the Eritrean people is not translating to violent disobedience

    The crimes the HS and Dergi regimes inflicted on Eirtreans pushed the people to revolt violently, PFDJ’s does not seem to have the same effect,. Eritreans fought HS and Dergi with everything, with their secrets, with their silent disobedience, with their open disobedience, they trusted their sons and daughters, took their destiny on their hands and run away with it, every year there was measurable success in chipping away the enemy’s grip, slow but steady, one step backward, but two steps forward with net positive forward move

    Stealing people’s money and property is PFDJ’ modus operandi they are the architects of thievery , some of PFDJ cadres actually talked about “sewrawi sirqi” and I am not shocked by reports of crimes by PFDJ, but I am shocked by the people those who take untold risk to reach freedom and then submit to PFDJ. I think people should stop every investment, houses or any property and sending money back home except for the basic daily survival of family members. If people spend their hard earned money to build houses that PFDJ will destroy after taking their hard currency, we should not feel sorry for them, they know better than handing their money to PFDJ. The organ triffickers’ houses are not destroyed because.

    PFDJ keep destroying the houses of the people who are fooled by you more than once, who hand you their money, who fill the regret paper until they get it, until it sinks, until it dawns, until revelation

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Selam Semere,
      Actually Assenna started the news with ‘ስርዓት ህግደፍ፥ ሎሚ ረቡዕ 6 ሚያዝያ 2016 ሓሙሽተ ሽሕ ዝግመት ኣባይቲ ኣብከባቢ ኣስመራ ኣፍሪሱ።’ So it seems there was an evil ወፈራ yesterday if this is true. Purpose maybe to divert the attention from Sunday’s incident – who knows why they do what they do in Eritrea.
      But like you, I was perplexed when I read
      ‘ካብዞም ኣባይቶም ዝፈረሶም ሰባት ዝበዝሑ ተጋደልትን ዋርሳይይከኣሎን ክኾኑ ከለዉ፥ ወርሓዊ ደሞዞም ትሑት ስለዝኾነ ገዛ ንኽካረዩ ዓቕሚ ኮነትሕዝቶ የብሎምን። ስለዝኾነ ድማ ስድራቤቶምን ደቆምን ናብ ዝተፈላለያ ገጠራትተበቲኖም ገለውን ኣብቲ ከባቢ ናብ ዝርከብ ዓድታት መርሓኖን ካልኦትን ተበቲኖምኣለዉ።’
      What? ተጋደልትን ዋርሳይ ይከኣሎን? So they stood there and let others ተጋደልትን ዋርሳይይከኣሎን sent by PFDJ GVT demolish their homes? and kill young people in the streets in broad day light. WOW! This is ridiculous! It definitely looks like we have to give up on what some would call ‘movement from inside Eritrea’.
      In a way though, it is a wake up call for those, as you implied, selfish, criminals, etc who have become targets of this mindless and incredibly callous system.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Sarah,

        ህግደፍ “ሓሙሻይ መስርዕ – 5th column – እናበለ ዘድናግረለን ሰዓታት ኣብቂዐን:: ህግደፍ ተሓላቂ ልዕላውነት እናመሰለ ሃገርና ዳግማይ ኣብ መግዛእቲ ክትቁረን ካብ ነዊሕ እዋን እኳ ይሰርሓሉ እንተነበረ :- ከም ሕጂ ገይሩ ዝተቀልዓሉ ሰዓት የለን :: ትርጉም ሓሙሻይ መስርዕ ድማ ብቀጥታ ይምልከቶ ::

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Sarah:
        Right, assenna mentioned the day. This must be a huge undertaking, 5000 houses is fit for a status of small town with its own police force, at least one hospital, a college/university, etc, so how long did it take the, this is like demolishing an entire, village, is there even a village with 5000 house holds in Eritrea, this is to say this number is huge, But the number does not matter, even if is 100 house, the things you said about the houses of ykealos and warsays destroyed by ykealos and warsays are spot on and depressing revelation, a commentary on how powerless the people inside are. Dehan gizie koynu

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Semere hawey,
          Exactly! If the number of houses destroyed is 5000, we can imagine how many of the useless ተጋደልትን ዋርሳይይከኣሎን have participated. Them I imagine that these will not stop at anything once they are told to kill as well. The ones whose houses are destroyed will not raise a finger to help anyone in any situation! So maybe now we have a clearer picture of how we should handle the whole issue/movement of change. No wonder the civilians are scared to death.

    • Lamek

      Hi Semere, I saw this news first thing this morning at Assenna. I couldn’t manage to call Asmera and find out partly due to time differences. My family lives in the environs of the mentioned areas but not quite exactly there. I am taking this news with a little bit of hesitation. I am quite sure that some of it is true, meaning that we can be almost certain that houses have been demolished in April 6.

      For the number of houses and the neighborhoods, however, I am going to wait for a credible confirmation. Godaif, Sembel, and Kahawta seems a bit of a stretch in the sense that there probably is not a lot of dessa land there. For the most part, they have been destroying houses in the hawsi-ketemas like Adi Guadad. But, hey, PFDJ is capable of doing eveything evil in the book.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I wasn’t even getting involved regarding this incident but somehow; I was pulled to it; thanks HOPE. People I respect very much expressed their concern the issue of sensitivity when I am dealing with such topics. So, I really tried to stay away. However; since I am in let me say a word or two. In my opinion; the main reason the toothless opposition failed to gain any trust of the majority Eritreans is because they lack the main ingredient of trust; consistency! For instance; the so-called oppositions never failed to tell us how this regime, in Eritrea is the worst of all and the worst in the world. They said, it is a mafia group running as a from of government. They declared; this government is the most repressive, irresponsible, corrupted, reckless and right down the worst dictatorship in the world. If so, why are you surprised, shocked, discombobulated and disgust with what is rumored the incident in Asmara? You said in your own word that nothing surprises you anything this government do/does, yet, why are you then bend out of shape over this incident? Remember; nothing will surprise you! The conclusion I am reaching is a logical one; either you are dishonest about your views and opinions of the governments of Eritrea or you are just lost soul; simply confused and stupid. If not; the people who are dealing with system in side the country should have known better to behave and to save their lives. The government never lied in telling being democratic or elected or even functioning with working constitutions. So why did the few youngsters tried to escape? They know there is mercy then why risk it? so, when we I say the youngsters are partly to blame; that is what I am saying. Having said that; unlike you; nothing will surprise nor shocks me anything goes down. I understand the system better than you; allegedly!!!!!
    So, please stop that your act of pretending and the fake show. You are not sorry for the lost lives of the youngsters nor you give a hoot about them; you are just using the rumored incident to get back to PIA and PFDJ to satisfy your political ego and to score a point. Let’s be and get real in here! Shame on you!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Nitrickay,

      come to your sense. This is not a rumor. It is a real story with real lives taken untimely by the ruthless regime. No matter how you defend this regime, you will be the culprit simply by defending the action taken against our innocent citizen by the regime.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Aman-H; when things like this happen it takes two parties and if you look at it without the emotion; you will realized that there is a causation and the cause. they may have the causation to do what they have done but they are the cause. think about it!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Nitrickay,

          listen to the advice of your pal Ted. ” there is no justification what so ever to kill unarmed civilians “. They were escaping from the endless slavery. Period. Can you stop this none sense talk until you are tested by their predicament.

    • Ted

      Hi Nitricc, there is no justification for killing unarmed people whatsoever that the Gov has an explanation to do but they won’t. On the other side, here is where the opposition come to defend the people but they won’t. I agree, what you mentioned about the toothless opposition.
      RIP kids.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Ted,

        Are you from the opposition camp, be it in the organized or non organized justice seekers? If you are, do not take out yourself from criticism. At least you do not justified the act of the government as Nitric tried to do so .

        Senay MeAlti

      • tes

        Selam Ted,

        Aha, however you tried to hide your dirty skin of guiltiness you can’t. Awful cult follower.

        tes

      • Semere Andom

        really Ted:
        “… the government has an explanation to do.”??
        Sal had good word for your weak attempt too seem as if you are for justice and it was: PERFUNCTOERY!!
        Sir, people in governmentgo to prison for ordering to shoot people and you had only to say teh government has an explantion, what an explanation, even Nitricc can do the explaining and he did explain it
        Ted you are either anti justice or pro-justice, do not blame the opposition for this, how do u want them to defend the people by guns, you mean? or by harassing the people and women her like you, who want to explain, explanation is only when peole misunderstand.To oppose PFDJ not matter how weak the disobedience is honorable and not to is disgraceful at this moment in history in Eritrea
        By the way did you also say they need to explain the Adi-Abeito massacre too or back then you had not decided about your Erireaness?
        Explain , justify, all semantic, both mean the same in the context we are discussing
        You do not explain murder, you bring people to account and if they were insane, unable to know good from evil when they committed teh crime, you institutionalize them.

        • Ted

          Hi Semere Andom, clearly Canadian English failed you. No justification+explanation to do= no explanation will suffice. If you make it a habit of dragging saay in every discussion, probably you better consult him before you post.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:

            again side issue,I am not dragging him, I am quoting Sal, he used the word I capitalized and I did not say he used explanation jutifications.. So go explain the murdered sir

            BTW No justification+explanation to do is redundant like saying single individual , each and everyone, close scrutiny
            More proof you are for injutice

        • tes

          Selam Semere Andom,

          Ted has never been for justice and he will never be. he just pretends to be. And his strategy is one of those designed by PFDJ political bureau that has a methodological approach of camouflaging. Nothing more nothing less.

          tes

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tes:
            Thanks, it is that Ted?

          • tes

            Hello Semere Andom,

            Definitely he is. Look who he follows and what he tweets. In his circle, 70% are YPFDJites and his tweets are against what Justice Seekers are promoting.

            tes

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Ted,
        Everything I have to say is too long for the time I have to say it, but I urge you and Nitricc to stay focused on the bigger picture and not pay too much attention to some of the trivial responses you have been getting in the last few days. I have decided to write a very long comment to explain what I mean, perhaps, over the weekend.

        • Semere Andom

          Saint FG:
          Please do write your long comment, also mention that you are from Ethiopia, with honorary citizenship of Eritrea and it would be good if your mention that your are from the Oromo region, somehow connected to it, the guys will listen to every comment, they will heed your advice,

        • Nitricc

          Your Fitnness; what perplexes me to no end is that they; the opposition will tell you how this government is lawless and cruel, yet, they expect the government to do the right thing. how is that even possible? which one is it? can you expect a responsible deed from the entity you have written of to be irresponsible? i am confused. the so called opposition are so confused and worthless; they confused every one who tried to follow them and this a good reason why they will never make a progress.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ted, I understand what you are saying and I agree but if the escapee followed rule and didn’t try to escape; don’t you think they would have lived another day? In other words; the good for nothing oppositions keep saying “justice” guess what? Justice takes accountability. Without accountability there is no justice. I.e. as much the government is responsible; so are the dead people.

        • tes

          Selam Nitiricc,

          Slaves can not be responsible for being slaves. All they have to be ready for is to get their FREEDOM by all means possible. Remember, death is even a FREEDOM than living as a slave.

          tes

        • PTS

          Nitricc,
          For people who languish in trenches for years, escape becomes a natural thing to do.
          It takes a lot of courage for you to criticize them when you yourself haven’t spent a single day doing national service. That is, you escaped long before you started.
          You didn’t follow the rule, did you?

          • saay7

            Selamat PTS:

            Whenever a 20-60 something year old Eritrean sitting in the Diaspora, snuggled with his family talks to you about the importance of people obeying the rules, gently remind them that Eritreas National Proclamation of 1995 applies to them as well. The Gov of IA says if you are of Eritrean ancestry you are Eritrean and if you are Eritrean all (and I am all) the rules, but specially National Service, apply to YOU and all your family members. There is no exception, not even conscientious objection, religious exception to the National Service. Those of us who are opposed to indefinite military conscription have no requirement to go; those who support it, must go and they should make sure their children, nephews, nieces go. Short of that, it is worse than being toothless: it is, as we say back home, grinding sand using someone else teeth.

            Here’s the proclamation:

            http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/3dd8d3af4.pdf

            Saay

          • Lamek

            Great post Saay. I honestly got teary eyed just all of a sudden when I read your niece Ciham’s name. Can any PFDJite explain to me what the crime of a 16 year old girl is as far as national security is concerned? What a failed world we live in! Now I know exactly why AA is keeping quiet. He has no choice.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            I am sure you mean “without the consent of th people”. If so, can you edit ” without the consent of the government”.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Emma:

            What? Who? Where is your evidence? We have never made a mistake. This is clearly a ploy by the enemies of Saay and awate.

            🙂

            Thanks, done:)

            Saay

          • Nitricc

            SAAY; I don’t if you notice buy you are strengthening my position. that is exactly my point. you don’t break rules if you can’t scape and get away with it. since the government is lawless and in absolute control; escaping and disobeying the rules; isn’t it stupidity to the highest order? where are they going to go? if it was near the border or somewhere where they could have a chance to getaway; fine but in a capital city? remember? the government is lawless and in absolute control! what was the point trying to escape in a capital city? I hope you see my point.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitric,
            You are forgetting one important aspect of breaking a law that should be broken because it is unjust. Many people who love freedom always beak unjust laws. They know the consequences, yet they do it. If oppressed Eritreans and Ethiopians followed your logic, they would have taken Haile Sellasie’s and Derg’s oppression silently. According to you, they were foolish for breaking the laws, regardless of how unjust they were. I think you are forgetting that people willingly sacrifice their lives to break unjust laws. The problem is that you see things from a material point of view, commercial. To many it is about dignity, and principles.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ; i agree with what you saying “breaking a law that should be broken because it is unjust. Many people who love freedom always beak unjust laws.” it is a just for the escapee is they can get away with it; but if they are caught they tend to pay the price and that is what we have here. they had no chance to get away with the escaping, then why do it?

          • ghezaehagos

            Nitric,
            People try to escape every chance they get. Prisoners, like Dejen Andi-Hishel escaped from Karcheli and made it finally to Sweden. Some fled from Adi-Abeyto, Sawa and others. Draftees escape from different cities, including Asmara. In fact what better city to hide than a city of half a million with dozens of hiding places, (relatives, friends, etc..) than Asmara until one finds way out. I know some journalists who were hunted down vigorously in September to October 2001, hiding inside Asmara for few weeks until they disguised themselves and made it to Sudan. You may not know the place as I know it intimately, near my ‘hood. Enda Awtobus to ShuK, megedi batxee, is the busiest place and it is easy to hide if one can slip away had it not been for the extreme cruelty and ruthlessness of the guards implementing the kill-to-shoot policy.
            At any rate, like any escape plan it is daring and prone to fail or success. You CAN’T fault them for trying.
            All the best,
            Ghezae

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ghezae; long time; you are right i don’t know the city nor its insides but from what i can sense; they could have lived another day to find a better rout to escape. it is never a good idea jumping from a moving truck. anyway we slice it; it is a sad story.

          • ghezaehagos

            Sal,

            That is very true. Dual nationality is not an exception for 2% among others. Why not for doing national service. In fact, these who strongly believe in it should be made an example. “National Service, apply to YOU and all your family members.”
            I would add, if they need the one-way ticket, we can help…
            Yours,
            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            Eritrea’s Proclamation on National Service allows only three exceptions from military service:

            (a) if Eritreans have already performed national service before 1995; (although the proclamation was announced in 1995, they had its beta version since 1993)
            (b) if Eritreans can prove that they “have spent all their time in the liberation struggle.”
            (c) those who are “unfit for military service” — who are then obliged to serve in civil service for 18 months.

            That’s it. Otherwise, it is applicable on all Eritreans 18-40 and, at the discretion of the government, the age range may change and the time may change. That is what it has done now (18-65 years; indefinite service.)

            It knows that its cash cow in Western Europe and North America would never allow their cushy life, or that of their conscription-age children, in the West to be interrupted: so it allows them to define National Service and “defending the motherland” is wearing an Eritrean-flag bandana and shouting slogans. Or tweeting, where they congratulate one another for “defending Eritrea.” Talk about toothless. But the poorer Diaspora Eritreans (those from the Middle East, Sudan) will serve if they are on a visit to Eritrea and are rounded up. Yep, there are two kinds of laws even for Diaspora: got cash?

            So the shorthand answer to all the YPFDJ types who lecture you about “national security” is: 82/1995 Article 8.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            PTS; that the worst argument i have heard. point blank; Kalid of Sweden; the one with biggest mouth never served national service in eritrea, then, why are you kissing his behind? oh, because he opposes the government is that right? did you see how absurd you are? can you be kind and ask that question to my good man, SAAY?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrikay,

            I hear you accusing people of not participating in national service. Have you done yours please?

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman-H i was making a point. and to answer your question; no i have not done my service yet, for a good reason but since the service is till age 45; no worries, i got plenty of time; trust me.

    • Semere Andom

      Nitricc;
      I can help to fund raising for that much need transplant and Rahawa agreed to be a doner, Hayat’s, you rejected it
      Now, about this incident, it has nothing to do with the toothless opposition and it is not about PFDJ election or not, ppl are saying, it is killing the people, destoryingg the future of the country. And about your logic of the people should know better and they should stop pushing back with any means they see fit at the particular time is deranged, you should really get some help
      Even new diction your learn cannot hid your stupidity , lack of thinking and subhuman level.
      You are not even He or She, you are “it” like the chair am sitting

      • Nitricc

        Semere; too much bragging for security guard in mental hospital! I know you are mistaking it to a prestigious gig; no; easy; you are too dumb to brage about anything!

    • tes

      Selam Toothless Nitricc,

      Can’t you hide your robotic mind? How can you expect to trust us while you kill us?

      It is stupidity at most but trying to search trust from one who is exposed to mass killing and torture is stupidity at most. dawit, Hope, Ted and the Toothless Nitricc told us that those victims of BLACK SUNDAY deserve it simply because they tried to escape. Before conforming the mass massacre, they should have asked “from were they escaping from?”. A simple answer exists and that is:

      “Escaping from Slavery”.

      When one escapes from slavery, two things are awaiting: “DEATH” or “FREEDOM”. Either is a freedom to a slave. What a slave can lose once he is treated as a slave?

      Toothless Notricc

      tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc,

      I thought the stage of defending PFDJ is over now. As I can see from your statements your problem is the way Opposition handled the case. I think it is time to discuss about how to have more organized and practical opposition. Really I am worried, if you and me and the people in general will be able to land smoothly during removal of PFDJ.

      tell us about how we should manage after removal of PFDJ and leave the job to people on how to push PFDJ – that will be done when you are ready to lead us or show us the moment of replacing the toothless group – PFDJ.

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    I received the following from a friend.

    The Illal (ዕላል) that prophesied what we are witnessing today:

    ካብ ዕላላት መሪሕነት ጀብሃ ኣብ ሜዳ (ኣንቢብካ ንሓሙሽተ ሰባት ኣሕልፍ)።

    ኣብ መንጎ ኽትዕ ብዛዕባ ሓድነት ጀብሃን ሻዕቢያን ድሕሪ ሞት ኢብራሂም ዓፋ (RIP) ሓደ ካብ ኣባላት መሪሕነት ይብል “ፈራሕ ኣይሓዝካ፤ ኢሳያስ ንሻዕቢያ ሰብ ነይገብራ።”

    ኣብሞጎ ሓደ ተቀቢሉ ይብል፤ “ከምዝብልዎ ንዘረባ ዘረባ የምጸኦ፣ ግን ምስ ስዒድ ሳልሕን (RIP) መልኣከ ተኽለን (RIP) ጉዳይ ኢሳያስ ንዐኦም ኣራሲኑ ከራሱኑና እምበር።”

    ስዒድ ሳልሕ ተቀቢሉ ከም ተጸበይዎ ተራሲኑ ይብል፤ “ፈራሕ ሓደ በትሩ፣ ኢሳያስ ግን ክልተ ኢዩ በትሩ።”

    መልኣከ ተኽለ ተቀቢሉ ዝስዕብ ብምባል የራስን፤ “እታ ሓንቲ በትሪ ንሻዕቢያ መአደቢ፣ እታ ከልኣይቲ በትሪ ግን መጥፊኢቱ ኢያ፣ ምኽኔቱ ሀዝቢ እታ በትሪ ካብ ኢድ ኢሳያስ መንዚዑ ኩነታት ኣብ ንቡር ዝመልሰላ በትሪ ኢያ።”

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear T..TE, ኣዘኪርካኒ !!

      መራሕቲ ጀብሃ ገስረጥ ምሕደራ ኳ እንተነበሮም ሕቡእ ኣጀንዳ ግን ኣይነበሮምን :: ኣነ ውግእ ሕድሕድ ቅድሚ ምጅማሩ ንዊሕ እዋን መሪሕነት ሻዕብያ ካብ መሪሕነት ጀብሃ ንላዕሊ ምሕደርኡ ዝሓሸ ምንባሩ ግዳ ኸ ኣ ዝተሸፈነ ነዚ ህዝቢ ዘጽንት ሚስጥር ከምዘሎ ዓው ኢሎም ካብ ተዛረቡ ሓደ ብምንባረይ ሎሚ ብጾትና ንስኻ ክፉእ ሰብ ኢኻ ኔርካ ይብሉኒ :: ብርግጽ ጀብሃ ዓባይ ኣብ ውሽጣ ዲሞክራስያዊ ባእታ ከምዝነበራ ድማ እየ ዘስተብህል ነይረ : መሪሕነት ጀብሃ ጠለባትና እንተዝሰምዑ ነይሮም መሪሕነት ሻዕብያ ፈጺሞም ኣይምሃለውን:: ሽጣራታት ኤስያስ ኣዝዩ ረቂቅ ምንባሩን ገና ውን ክሳብ ምምላስ ብዓል ንጉስ ዮሃንስ ምዃኑን ዝበረሃሎም ምሁራት ዳርጋ ኣይነበሩን ::

      ኣዘኪርካኒ

      • AOsman

        Dear Khokob,

        ሽጣራታት ኤስያስ ኣዝዩ ረቂቅ ምንባሩን ገና ውን ክሳብ ምምላስ ብዓል ንጉስ ዮሃንስ ምዃኑን ዝበረሃሎም ምሁራት ዳርጋ ኣይነበሩን ::

        Well you bought what Fanti was hinting as his success, as he was following his forefather, at least it is not a secret.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear AOsman,
          The tricks used were difficult for an Eritrean with Eritrean ethics. In fact we still have a lot of people who couldn’t and are not able to see it. I am sure almost all who are in top positions of PFDJ are not aware of what he is doing and to where he is aiming. The man is very cleaver. how the ordinary Eritrean who only see the surface like Badme and who only can watch short visions can understand it? so I can say still it is secret to the mass.

  • PTS

    Hello all,
    Tesfa News, Dehai and similar websites are infamous for magnifying a single death in Ethiopia. We have now several deaths of our own by the warlords in Asmara.
    So where are these moral-bankrupt websites now? ነዳያት

    • Solomon Haile

      Dear PTS,

      This “alleged incident” is causing me stress NOW not to mention the POST. And I ain’t talking about the new york post.
      tSAtSE

      • PTS

        Selie,
        ዋሽንግተን —
        ኣብ ዋና ከተማ ኤርትራ ኣስመራ ዝሓለፈ ሰንበት ብወታሃደራዊ መኻይን ተጻዒኖም ይሓልፉ ካብ ዝነበሩ ተዓለምቲ ገሊኦም ኻብ መኻይን ዘሊሎም ክሃድሙ ምስ ጀመሩ ሓለውቲ ጸጥታ ተኩሲ ከምዝኸፈቱ ምንጭታት ንድምጺ ኣሜሪካ ሓቢሮም።
        http://tigrigna.voanews.com/a/shooting-in-asmara/3273586.html
        Don’t count on EriTv.

  • Non-Fiction Plz

    No one has verified the truth of this article, and conveniently the article states “The incident has not been reported by government-owned media.” You should still be able to provide some kind of proof. Until irrefutable evidence is presented, this article is just fiction.

    • Kokhob Selam
      • Abi

        Hi Kokobe
        I checked your link and it looks like a fiction. Check all the names. They are all Kebesa names. Are you telling me the bullets choose and kill only kebesa or is it possible all the conscripts were Kebesa?
        Look, I’m not saying people didn’t die. I’m saying how is it possible all of them are from kebesa?
        Any idea? Can Anybody explain this to me? Where are the big guys? Saay, Amanuel H, Sem, SGJ, Tes, …..
        Honestly, I wait for Awate.com to verify and print the names . I don’t trust others as much. Thanks.

        • PTS

          Abi
          whwere did you get the idea that they are all from Kebesa?
          Don’t judge a book by its cover.

          • Abi

            Hi Pass The Salt
            You got a point there.
            Let me put some more salt in it. 70% of them have Biblical names . The rest I thought they are typical kebesa names. Any Passerby can argue they use nicknames or something like that.
            I didn’t see a Jemal, Mohamoud, Ahmed, Hussein,Saleh, ….
            However, I still believe the list is a fiction work.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Abi,

          It is not really fiction, in fact one of my friends told me one among the dead is his blood relative .
          But you question is really timely, how does that happened ? in fact the question should be more specific – why all are Christians?

          well this shows you how much PFDJ is misunderstood by some as Christians party. PFDJ is for no one. PFDJ is against human beings.. I have said it before PFDJ is in fact against nature. sometime it looks it benefits one sector more than the other but in reality we all Eritreans suffer. for your information the top 6 of this leadership who are working to make this nation failed nation are Christians as per their name but they are not really Christians as per their crime we all know what the bible teaches. again most of the refuges who leave in the past 10 years are Christians. No one is spared.

          yet your question is still there , I didn’t answer it. well, I will also wait how others will put it for you. I may have to learn more about this issue. again you can go on asking why all try to jump when they reach Asmara – also that is Kebesa I think part of you question is answered here. Asmara is Kebesa and most them are from Asmara – may it be the answer? well isn’t Asmara the main city of the nation with different ethnic groups and all religions? Abo I don’t know really don’t make me crazy on this one. I will leave this to the higher once.

          you are crazy Abo, you make me crazy too..is the driver also from Kebesa? what about the shooters? what about the bullet, Gonderew ASABEDKEN ! I know you are laughing now ..Lol.

        • AOsman

          Dear Abi,

          It does not mean the trucks were not mixed as there were many, but those who jumped are certainly from Asmara and it’s environs. An outsider who does not know the city would not dare to run away as they will not have a hiding place later. Asmara being a Kebessa city, to be more relevant Christian majority, this may explain the 100% Christian names that you mention.
          As ‘Gheteb would say this is pure conjecture!!! Don’t throw further question my way if my attempt did not make sense.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Abi

            Hi AOsman , Kokobe
            Thank you. It makes a lot of sense.

      • Non-Fiction Plz

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  • Kokhob Selam

    ክቡራት እናዳ ዓዋተ: –

    ካብ ዘይተጠርነፈ ናብ ዝተጠርነፈ ቅዲ ቃልሲ እንሰጋገረሉ ክውንነት ዝተፈጥረ ኮይኑ ይረኣየኒ ኣሎ ::ጉዳያት ካብ ቁጽጽር ወጻኢ ከይኮኑን ኣብ ሞንጎ ህዝብና ናይ ርእሲ ብርእስ ጎንጽን ምትህስሳይን ከይፍጠሩ ሓልዮት ዝመንቀሊኡ ቅጽበታዊ ስጉምትታት ክንወስድ ዘለና ንሕና ደለይቲ ፍትሒ ድኣ እምበር እቲ ብደም ዝተላዕጠጠ ሓላፍነት ዘይስመዖ ሕግን ስርዓትን ኣልቦ ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ኣይኮነን :: ኣብ ‘ዚ ሰዓት ዚ እቲ ተዓቢጡ መተንፈሲ ዝደሊ ዘሎ ሓያል ናህሪ ዘለዎ ህዝባዊ ናዕቢ ክብገስ ዘሎ ተኽእሎ ኣዝዩ ላዕሊ ብምዃኑ ንቁጽን ርሑስን ለኻኺሙ ከይምርሽ – ኣዝዩ ኣገዳሲ መጽናዕቲ ድሕሪ ምክያድ መገዲ ዘትሕዞ ህዝባዊ ምሕደራ የድልዮ ኣሎ :: እዚ ኣዝዩ ኣገዳሲ መድረኻዊ ጠለብ ድማ ንቅሓትን ልቦናን ዘለዎም ውልቀሰባትን ኣብ ታሪኻዊ ቃልሲ ዝተጠርዩ ፖሎቲካዊ ውድባትን ቤርጌሳዊ ማሕበራትን ብምትሕብባር እዮ ክሰላሰል ዝኽእል :: ዝሓለፈ ተሞክሮታት ዘዋህለልናዮ ቀሊል ስለ ዝይኮነ ድማ ሕጂ ሓዲሽ ኣሳታፊ ቅድመ መርሃ -ግብራትን እማሜታትን ምቅራጽ ዝኸብደና ኣይመስለንን ::

    ነዚ ብዝምልከት ዝተፈላለዩ ሞዴላት ዝቀረቡ ነይሮም እዮም ዝሓለፉን ብሕጂ ዝዳለውን ምምርማሮም ግዜ ዝጠልቦ ይውዓል ይሕደር ዘይበሃሎ ጉዳይ ኮይኑ ይስመዓኒ እስከ ነዚ ብዝምልከት ገለ በሉ ኣሕዋት::

    • Kokhob Selam

      ዝኸበርኩም ዕውታት :-

      ” ምፍራስ ኳ ቀሊል እንተዘይኮነ ምህናጽ ግን ካብ ምፍራስ ዝኸበደ እዩ ” እዚ ብሂል እዚ ማሕበረታውያን ወይ ዴሳውያን ደጋጊሞም ዝብልዎ ዝነበሩ ብሂል እዩ :: ብርግጽ ካብ ምህናጽ ኣባይትን መንገድታትን ኩሎም ትሕተ ቅርጻታትን ንላዕሊ ኣብ ምህናጽ ሓዲሽ ስነ ኣተሓሳስባ ዘሎ ሓርጎጽጎጽ ይኸብድ – ክኸውን ክኸውን እኳ ኣብ ምንጻፍ መሰረት ::

      ሃገርና ኤርትራ ዝሓለፍቶም ናይ ቃልሲ ዓመታት ኣዝዮም ጽንኩራትን ኣድከምትን ከምዝነበሩ ኩልና ዝረኣናዮ ሓቂ እዩ :: ኣብ ግዜ ሃገራዊ ቃልሲ ንቅድሚት ምድፋእን ምዝላቅን ከም ንቡር ባህርይ ናይ ብረታዊ ተጋድሎ ወሲድካ :- ንኣብ ስምረትን ሓድነትን ዝተሓልፈ ሕልኽልኻት ግን ብሸለል ክረኣ ዘይነበሮ ጉዳይ እዩ :: ምዕዋት ሃገራዊ ቃልሲ ካብ ዘደናጎዩ ቀዳሞት ረቛሒታት ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ድሕሪኡ ውን እንተኾነ ነቲ ሃገራውነት ዝዳኽም ዘሎ ናይ ዚ መድረኽ ጸገማት ቀንዲ ምኽን ያት እዩ ::

      ኣብ ‘ዘን ዝሓለፋ ዓመታት ንስምረትን ሓድነትን ዝተገብሩ ቁርቁሳት ዕውታት ነይሮም ኢልና ኳ ብምሉእነት እንተዘይገለጽና – ዝተረኽቡ ዓበይቲ መኽሰባት ምንባሮም ዝከሓድ ኣይኮነን :: እቲ ዝዓበየ መኽሰብ ከኣ ጠንቂ ዘይፍጹምነት ሓደነት ከነለሊ ምኽኣልና እዩ :: እቲ ቀዳማይ ጠንቂ ውድባትን ውልቀሰባትን ድሕሪ እዚ ነዊሕ ገድላዊ ተሞክሮ ‘ውን ንውልቃውን ውድባውን ዕላማታት ልዕሊ ሓባራውን ሃገራውን ምርኣይ ዝሰረቱ ሕዱር ሕማም ሓደን ቀዳማይን ቦታ ዝሕዝ ጸገምና ኮይኑ ይረኣየኒ :: እቲ ካልኣይ ቦታ ዝሕዝ ከኣ እኹል ንቅሓትን ስነፍልጠታዊ ኣቀራርጻ ፖሎቲካዊ ቃልስን ዘይምውናን ኮይኑ:- እቲ ብሳልሳይ ደረጃ ዝረኣ ደጋዊ መጥቃዕታት እዩ :- እቲ ቀዳማይ ደጋዊ መጥቃዕቲ እቲ ብህግደፍ ዝጥጃእ ብመርበባት ስለያ ዝተዓጀበ ኣጣቛሲ- ኣባኣሲ – ኣደናጋሪ ሸነኽን እቲ መንግስቲ ኢትዩጵያ ‘ውን ካብ ክልተ ክንፍታቱ ዝውሕዝ ዘሎ ኣሉታውን ኣውንታውን ሱግሚ ዘሕድሮ ዘሎ ከቢድ ጽልዋታት እዩ ::

      ስለ’ዚ ሓያል ኣዝዩ ዱልዱል መሰረት ዘለዎ መሰጋገሪ መድረኽ የድልየና ኣሎ ኢለ ይግምት :: መሰጋገሪ መድረኽ ብምዕራፋት ከፋፊልና ክሳብ ንርኢ ግን ቅድመ ምድላዋት መሰጋገሪ መድረኽ ውን ከድልየና እዩ :: እቲ ምንታይ ሲ እዚ ፋሕ ኢሉ ዝርከብ ሓይልታት ተቃውሞ ብካብ ኩሎም ዝተዋጽኡ ሓንቲ ኣጽናዒት ሽማግለ ነቲ ጸግም ኣብ ምቅላዕ ተሞክሮታቶም ክዝርዝሩ ስለ ዘለዎም :: ኣብ ዚ ናይ ሓበሬታ ምእካብ መስርሕ ከኣ ብምህሮን ተሞክሮን ዝበሰሉ ግርም መጽናዕቲ ዘካይድሉ ኣዝዩ ኣገዳሲ ናይ ምድላው ወቅቲ እዩ ::

      ድሕሪ ‘ዚ እይ ድማ ውድባት ናብ ቲ ሓዲሽ እንደልዮ ዘለና ባህሊ ቅልስ ናይ ምስግጋር መሰረት ክንደፍ ዝከኣል – ውድባት ከም ውድባት እናቀጸላን ከይፈረሳን ብናይ ሓባር መትከል ተኣሳሲረን ዝሰርሓሉ መድረኽ ንምፍጣር እምበኣር ክንሓልፎም ግድን ዝኾኑ ብጥንቃቀ ክተሓዙ ዘለዎም ተኣፈፍቲ ጉዳያት ክህልው ምዃኖም ክንፈልጥ ይግባእ ::

      ምፍራስ ህግደፍ ውን መልክዑ ሒዙ ክኸውን ኣለዎ – ምፍራስ ከምዚ ዝኣመሰሉ ስርዓታት ከም ሓዊ ዝጠነሰ ጎቦ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝቢ ከይወድቕ ወይ ‘ውን ብተመሳሳሊ ካልእ ጸረ ሰላም ሓይሊ ከይትካእ ኣዝዩ ቁልጡፍ ተግባር ዝተሰናዮ መደብ ዕዮ የድለየና ኣሎ ::

      “ምፍራስ ኳ ቀሊል እንተዘይኮነ ምህናጽ ግን ካብ ምፍራስ ንላዕሊ ከቢድ እዩ ”

      ኮኾብ ሰላም

  • Haile zeru

    Hi all,

    If past behaviour is predictor of future actions, PFDJ will blame and maybe execute or jail the shooters. They will deny giving them orders, shoot to kill, and put the responsibility squarely on the them (the shooters), and even bring them in public.
    They will wash their bloodied hands and try to pacify the situation.
    That’s what they did in Hagaz some years ago when they were cornered. It all dipends on how much pressure will be applied to them from the public. Probably Issayas will come saying that he was sleeping
    and Saba woke him up to tell him about the tragedy.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Haile,
      and say “ድቃስ ይፈቱ እየ ” But things seems are no more the same. People this time are not going to be cheated it seems to me as the complains are even from PFDJ members this time.

  • Awet

    Dear Readers!

    (I think I failed the moderation for not saluting in the first attempt. So Bold and underlined Now! would love to know if this wasn’t the case?)

    It’s sad that innocent people have died. RIP to the victims and condolences to the families. Yet, why do we prefer to take this beyond proportion. It’s not Isaias who pulled the trigger. It’s the Military Police (aka MP) whose duty was to look after the young trainees who were travelling to Asseb. From what I have recollected, they initially ignored the jumping off the tracks until they reach bar Tiblez, at which point a young lad was harmed when he jumped off the track. The stopped to attend to him, but suddenly the others started jumping off. They shot to the air to warn them that they will take measures if they move. The lads ignored the warnings and some people started throwing stones against the MPs and bullying them. These are law enforcement officials, and they should be respected. Lets speak civility here. You don’t provoke a soldier in Military fatigue. Then the reactions escalated. there was an incident of strangling with an armed soldier; where most of the causalities took place. My Question, what can any law enforcement official do if he/she faces such a dilemma? Why do we prefer to ignore the fact that in 2015 alone some 1000 people were killed in the U.S.A, by law enforcement officials. We are talking of the U.S.A with most efficient, advanced and trained military force. I don’t see the point of trying to make any political nonsense out of every single tragic mishap in the country. We don’t get nothing by tarnishing the image of the nation as violent and unstable. Making a mountain out of a molehill won’t help any cause that we want to pursue. We need to focus on the fundamental issue. we have more at stake than this one. The incident shouldn’t be presented as a fight of enemies.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Awete,
      You seem to exonerate IA but let me remind you as chief commander of EDF, he is responsible for their actions. And as responsible leader he should come out explain what has happened and the action he will take to get to the truth. So far we heard nothing from him and his officials. I bet we will not hear like we never heard about Hayhabar massacre. This incident is telling us many things, among them are that the people don’t see the army as their protector but as a tool of oppression and they are ready to fight back like the Palestinians throwing stones at the Israel Army. Even the brutal Israel Army don’t shoot back for civilians throwing stones at them. Either to use a shield or use other means of defence.
      Another excuse you raised was law enforcement and comparing it to USA. First an army is not a law enforcement but a protector of the people and nation from outside enemy. Does Tahirir Square rings a bell? The Egyptian army refused to shoot at his people instead sided with them.
      The USA issue is much complicated some are drug related some are gun as well as race related and are between police and civilians who most of them are armed. They never involve the US Army.Don’t create confusion and misinformation.

      • Nitricc

        Amanuel; you said……
        “Does Tahirir Square rings a bell? The Egyptian army refused to shoot at his people instead sided with them.” what a toothless take!
        Amanuel; you must be real slow person to compare the two incidence. Close your eyes and imagine the two incidents unfolding and examine the reaction of the two law enforcing personal reactions to the incidents and you may get the real picture?

        • tes

          Selam Nitricc,

          It is only a matter pf time for Eritreans to show their rage. When it starts, there is no way to stop it. As history (though untold) Eritreans had passed a bitter civil war among themselves while standing against their enemy. Now, we have one enemy and this is PFDJ. Our patience is way beyond to comprehend though it has almost reached its peak.

          Just wait

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            ኣቤት እወ ህዝቢ ምስተላዕለ :-
            ሓቂ ኢሉ ሓንሳብ ምስደበለ :-
            ድሕር ነይብል ማይ ማይ ከየበለ :-
            ወይሊኡ ትማሊ ሕዝቢ ዝበደለ :-
            መትከል ሓቂ መርዚ ዝበለለ :-
            ተሓቢኡ ጀግና ዝቀተለ :-

            ወይልኡ እወ ‘ቲ ጉሒላ ከዳዕ :-
            ቆል ዓሰበይቲ ነበረ ዘንብዕ :-
            ዝነበረ ደም ህዝቢ ክጎስዕ :-
            ግድን እወ ክፍረድ ክቅጻዕ :-

            ግድን እወ ናይ ኢዱ ክረኽባ :-
            መዓስ ርሑቅ ሕጂ እዩ ቀረባ :-
            ዋጋ ግፍዒ ንህዝቢ ዝሃባ :-
            ዋጋ ስቃይ ቲ ጸልማት ጸበባ ::

            ዝለበመ ብኣጋ ይናሳሕ:-
            ነብሱ የጽሪ ካብ ቲ ጠቃር ረሳሕ:-
            ይቅረ ይሕተት ኣእዳው ይዘርግሕ:-
            ኣይጠቅሞን እዩ ምስ ህግደፍ ምጽናሕ ::

          • Nitricc

            Tes; does that mean you are going to give up your luxury-slave life in France and your red wine to go to fight PFDJ? Is what you are saying? How about we cut that crap and do what you say will do? how about you people just talk and talk and talk. Trust me; saying shhhit in here and doing things are two entirely different things. Especially you; now you are accusing even the notorious TPLF never uttered. Trust me; you and your likes are liability to the true and meaningful change. How about you keep it zipped and enjoy your wine or your buzz; just do that.

          • tes

            Hi Toothless Nitricc,

            When you order people to shut up and have a limit, you sound to be one of the higher officials who ordered the mass massacre in the heart of Asmara, aka, ” BLACK SUNDAY TRAGEDY”.

            Toothless Cult Follower!!!

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes, let me slide this one in before you lose it all.
            You are known for your study on dictionary; do you know the meaning of massacre is? Now it is a massacre. I know one life lost one life to great but for you to call it massacre; it shows how you camp is loosing its ground; the camp of revenge seekers.

          • tes

            Selam Nitricc,

            There is no doubt that I belong to the camp of revenge seekers. I am happy to be. But I don’t know if I have enough energy to take the revenge that equates with that of the PFDJ crimes.

            tes

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም አማኑኤል (ሞኽሲ),

        ሕልና ዘይብሉ ክፉል ህዝብና ኩሉጊዜ ካብ አብ መሰረት ዘየብሉ ምኽንያታት ሃውተት ሐሊፎም ዘጽዕይዎ ሐሳብ ስለዘየለ ብዙሕ ዘገድስ አይኮነን:: ዓወት ሓደ ካብኦም ከም ምኳኑ ኸአ አይትዘንጋዕ::

        ሰናይ መዓልቲ
        አማኑኤል ሕድራት

      • Awet

        This shouldn’t be about me. It’s about the incident. I’m not sure if anybody will be able to get out of emotional buckle. I can smell that you think the northern way of doing things if the right way. So if the chief of the EDF didn’t come to the media to speak to the media it’s not the right way; no other public management system is accepted. why? By the way, the story of MaiHabar was talked about in a public interview back during the days. by the way if the government of Eritrea may have been committing these crimes on a regular basis, then shouldn’t news such as this be considered business as usual? Regardless of how they joined the army, the young lads were members of the EDF and under strict military order. You tried to create an analogy between the Israel/Palestine and Eritrea? you can’t simply create non-existent parallels. You said an army isn’t a law enforcement. This is a typical ‘western mentality’. you don’t need to have western like institutions to enforce law. Who enforces law when new recruits disobey orders? We call them MP in Eritrea, if you ever have been in the army. The Eritrean army protects nation, people and at times farms, weeds and builds. Tahirir Square? Yes, so you want to have another Egypt in Eritrea? right? That’s why I said you need to comeout of the cloud that’s masked your brain. Other points are crap. come to the basics, and ask questions for youself. don’t just jump into the band wagon. ‘How and why did the tragedy happen?’ ‘who instigated it? ‘why?’. This isn’t a teleological science, its about facts and the need to be objective.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selma Awet ,

          So the duty of police for law and order enforcement and the duty of EDF to protect the people and sovereignty of the nation, is interchangeable according your argument. Even the universal job description of national police and national regular army can not be observed in the nascent nation of ours. Don’t you think that makes you an odd with the international norm on how states act with their subjects and other states?

        • Amanuel

          Hi Awete,
          Speaking to your people through media in times of crisis not a northern or southern way. It is a normal way for accountable governments. Regarding Mayhabar you are lying. I was a member of EDF and asked about this issue to the top officials at that time and it was never discussed publicly nor explanation was given. That was one of many reason I have decided to leave my country. If you have evidence l am happy to see it.
          I brought Tahirir square and the Israel Army to show you how an army behaves in times of public disorder.
          In case you were a member of military service or EDF just want to remind you there are laws govern the national service. One of them says during the national service period the government takes the responsibility of parenting. Now the question would parents shoot at their children because they jumped of a truck and run away? The answer is no. They just wait for them to come back home or persuade them to come back. Now forget the normal world about humanity, law and accountability. I want to come to your world, I mean PFDJ world. Don’t you think shooting at them was against your interest? If they jump and run away. What is the worst can happen? May be they will come to the west and pay 2%. Other options are you catch them at the next round.There is a line of defence mentioned by the supporters of the regime, like why is the opposition surprised, this should be business as usual for dictatorial regime. The justice seekers are surprised because PFDJ is committing suicide.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear hopeless.

    Only a jackass like you wouldn’t know that you can go back and edit your own comment.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello ወቸጉድ,

    ይልመድብህ my brother. ዓመት ሳይሞላ መጣህ!

    Yes! This applies to anyone anywhere who kills unarmed civilians; it is the highest form of cowardice.

    ምን ይሁን ታድያ! አንድ ሶስት ወር ትጠፋና ትረሳዋለህ እንጂ!

    • ወቸጉድ

      Ato Fanti,
      እኔስ ማለት የምፈልገውን በሙሉ ወንድም አምዴ ከምችለው በላይ አብጠርጥሮ ስለሚናገር ዝም ብዬ ማየት ብቻ ነው። አንዳንዴ የወያኔ ቡችሎች የአዞ እምባ ሲያፈሱ እንጨት እንጨት ስለሚል ህሊና ይኖራቸው ይሆን በማለት የእውነት አንኳር ጣል ለማድረግ እገደዳለሁ። ምንም አይደል ባትመልስልኝ – ይገባኛል።

      • Fanti Ghana

        ሰላም ወቸጉድ፣

        ባንድ ቀን ሁለቴ? This is progress!

        እንኳን ላንተ እውነትን ለምትጥል ለወንድሜ ይቅርና እሳት ለላሱት ለብርንሀኑ ቡችሎችም እመልሳለሁ፤፤ የአምዴ ወንድም የኔስ ወንድም አደለህ እንዴ?

  • Kokhob Selam

    ሰላም ኣዋተዋይን :-

    ከመይ ኣለኻ ኣይትበሎ መርበብ ሓበሬትኡ ኣንብቦ – ዶ ክንብል !! እንታይ ይበሃል ኮይኑ ! ንስውኣት መንግስተ ሰማያት – ንስድራቤት ጽንዓት – ንደለይቲ ፍትሒ ትብዓት የውርስ እቲ ልዑል ጌታ ::

    እዚ ካልእ ዘሕዝን ተረኽቦ ‘ውን ካብ ‘ቶም በብዕለቱ ዘጓንፉና ዘለዎ ኣሰቀቅቲ ተረኽቦታት ዝተፈልየ ኣይኮነን : የግዳስ እቲ ኣብ ሰሃራታት ግብጽን :- ማእከላይ ባሕርን :- ኣብ ማእሰርቲ ዝተራእዩ ሞትን ምዕዋርን ምስንካልን ምስ ዚ ናይ ‘ዞም መንእሰያት ሞት ዝፈልዮ ኣብ ማእከል ኣስመራ ኣብ ጎደና – ወላድቲ እናርኣዩ ዝተፈጸመ ‘ሞ ተቃውሞ ‘ውን ዘመዝገብ ምዃኑ እዩ :: ነቲ ፈኸም ክብል ዝጸነሐ እሞ ህዝቢ ብግሉጽ ከርእዮ ዘይደለየ ኣብ ሞንጎኡን ኣብ ሞንጎ መንግስትን ዘሎ ቅርሕንቲ ዘጎሃሃረ ክውንነት እዩ ::

    እዚ ስር ዓት ነቲ ንነዊሕ እዋን ንቃልሲ ህዝብና ኣበርዒኑ – ሃገርን ህዝብን ኣለሽ ኣቢሉ – ኣብ መወዳእታ ኢዱ ክህብ ዘካየዶ ኣዝዩ ረቂቅ ሜላ ሕጂ እዩ ንመጀመርያ ግዜ ዝፈሽሎ ዘሎ :: ብርግጽ ኣዝዩ ጥርኑፍን ድልውን ኮይኑ ክሳብ ሕጂ ምቅጻሉ ኣዝዩ ዘገርም እዩ :: ግዳ ነዚ ስርዓት ክንድዚ ዝኣክል ክሻንድ ዝገበርዎ ናይ ውሽጥን ናይ ደገን ሮቃሒታት ምንባሮም ክንፈልጥ ይግባእ :: እዞም ረቛሒታት ብዘይገለ ንሓፍነት ዘቃልዑ ብዙሓት ጀጋኑ እኳ እንተነበሩ ህዝብና ብቱኽረት ከስተብህለሎም ክንዲ ‘ዚ ህግደፍ ዝበሃል ጉጅለ ክፍኣት ስለዘይነበሮ ነቲ ጉዳይ ኣበኣኢስዎ እዩ ጸኒሑ :: እዚ ለዋህን ግሩህን ህዝቢ ካብ ኣብራኹ ዝወጹ ኣናብስ ዝቀረብሉ ናጽነት ተጠቃሚ ከይከውንን ደጋጊሙ ዘዝወለዶም ክስእንን ድሕሪ ምጽናሕ ኣብ ከምዚ ናይ ኣስመራ ዝኣመሰለ ተረኽቦ ግን ክብገስ ግድን እዩ :: ኣብ ታሪኽ ከምተሞከርናዮ ህዝብና ቀልጢፉ ዘይለዓል ዕጉስ ህዝቢ እዩ : – እንተተበጊሱ ግን ፍጹም ከይቛረጸ ነዊሕ ናይ ምቅላስ ምዑት መዓንጣ ዝውንን ህዝቢ እዩ:: ጥፍኣት ህግደፍ ከየረጋገጸ በቃ ዝብል ህዝቢ ከምዘይኮነዘይኮነ ዝርድኡ መራሕቲ ህግደፍ ለምቅነ ሸለብ ገለብ ክብሉ ቀንዮም ኣለው :: ብርግጽ ኣብ ሞንጎ ቲ ስርዓት ምትፍናን ፍርሓትን ዓቅሊ ጽበትን ብዝለዓለ ዝተራእየሉ ህሞት እንተነይሩ እዚ ናይ ለምቅነ ተረኽቦ እዩ ::

    ክንዲ ‘ቲ ሓዘነይ ዘሐጎሰኒ እንተነይሩ ግን – ብዙሓት ደገፍቲ ህግደፍ ከስተብህሉ ምጅማሮም እዩ :: ” ንሕና ድኣ ልዕላውነትና ከይድፈር – እዚ መንግስቲ ሎሚ ዶ ጽባሕ ይዕረ እንዳበልና እምበር ጥፍኣት ህዝብና ዶ ንደሊ ኢና !” ዝብሉ ብዙሓት ደገፍቲ ህግደፍ እዮም ተሰሚዖም :: ብርግጽ ሓልዮትን ፍቅርን ዘመለኦ ኣቀባብላ ክግበረሎም ይግባእ ::

    ደለይቲ ፍትሒ ነዚ መስዋእቲ ሽዱሽተ :- ብሽዱሽተ ሚእቲ ምቅያር ( ህግደፋውያን ) ክድበሱ ድማ ተስፋ ይገብር :: ብርግጽ ውን ነዚ ክንሰርሓሉ ይግባእ: ገለ ከውሒ ልቢ ዝተዓደሎም እሞ ኣብ ታሪኽ ብገበን ዝሕተቱ ገዲፍካ- ነቶም ዝበዝሑ ናይ ምስሓቦምን ታሪኻዊ ግደኦም ክጻወቱ ምግባሮምን ቀዳማይ ሓላፍነት ናትና ክኸውን ይግባእ ::

    ደጊመ ንኹሎም ስው ኣት መንግስተ ሰማያት የዋርሶም ይብል :

    ኮኾብ ሰላም

  • solomon desta

    What are you talking about, IF they want (THE SO CALLED ,TPLF, CIA, MOSSAD M16 ETC) CAN dismantle the dictatorial leader with all its fans within 24 hours. However they don’t want to do so because they know very well it is not their duty and right but the Eritrean people . please don’t try to exaggerate the PFDJ as it is so strong to defend itself. Please be honest for yourself, your mind and your people. Don’t attach yourself with PFDJ and its foolish fans unless your one of the irresponsible offspring of the dictatorial PFDJ Generals and PIA. Time is approaching when the insane dictatorial person is to abolished by the Eritrean people once and for all.

  • Tewelde gebremariam

    The impostor isaias afecherqi and his cabals’s mission is obvious, to deplete Eritrea of its population by any means necessary. The sad thing is, many of us , either deceived by his flattering euphemism, evasive con artistry etc. or locked against each other in puruiit of our respective secterian

  • tes

    Selam Haile WM,

    You might be somewhere but not there (place of incidence). If you were, definitely you won’t tell as you will be one of these criminals.

    tes

    • Haile WM

      Tesfabirhan,

      I think you live in a separated world. You are telling us you heard this story, I am assuming you heard it from the good fairy, because from your assumptions, the criminals won’t tell anybody if they were there.
      Your cognitive abilities are so limited, I do feel embarrassed for you poor soul.

      From all the message I tried to convey in your obtuse brain you understood I was there using the chemical weapon.
      Let me assist your fantasy, Indeed I used fessi adey itay to intoxicate the war front 🙂

      • tes

        Selam Haile WM,

        Thank you for assisting me. You must be so kind in doing so.

        tes

      • Semere Andom

        Hiale WM:
        Bettttttttt Bell!!:-)

        • Haile WM

          Semere,

          i think “foooo bel” is the right command here 🙂 fesi adey itay is not an easy weapon…

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Haile:
            I was issuing military meqtsaeti to you for saying the fesi;-)

      • Abi

        Hi Haile WM
        I don’t know what ” fessi adey itay ” means but it sounds like Tesss/Tusss depends on what time of the day it is used. It is dangerous after 8:00 pm.
        WARNING!!
        Do not mix “fesi adey itay” with alcohol. Extremely flammable.

        • Haile WM

          hahaha Abi ante durie,

          easy on my friend tes!
          For translation of “fesi adey itay” please ask for fanti’s assistance… I can’t translate it properly

          • Abi

            Hi Haile WM
            The wardiya is using AK47 as a veto pen.
            Tereferefin. Eway wurdet! Bejaka qeld atzareb.

  • halafi Megedi

    Hope, Ted and Dawit,

    Take oxygen before you hear that awate.com has been cited by BBC for they are credible news website/forum:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35977605

  • Semere Andom

    Why you calling it conspiring?
    Have not it downed to you that the most serious national security in Eritrea right now is not TPLF, not USA, not the “speculation” of awate.com, but PFDJ
    If you believe that the free labor Eritreans are enduring is national building even with the so called increase of salary, even if it is against their fee will, then please go and volunteer for 3 month, send your kids there, or you can stay behind to pay the bills and your wife can go and do the work on behalf of your family.
    No one is conspiring, people are demanding freedom from slave labor, endless national serve. Families brig up their kids, invest in them and PFDJ snatches them and makes them “mahyos” in the jungle. I have not heard from you on this but your soul mate once said that if it is for the “zngus” of Eritrea, IA,he is willing to make his USA born, Stanford educated girls “mahyos” for the sake of Eritrea.
    Hope, am asking you, are u willing to do that?
    Then to confuce everyone you said “kudos” to Ghedeb(Gedab) and assenna for reporting this Hope do you hear voices, be a man, no, just be human and stand with the suffering fellow humans.
    Wedehanka

  • Hilna

    [from the moderator: begin your comments with salutation]

    Why don’t you and your children go build the road for the next 20 years you arrogant evil person. Your twisted and self serving logic is disgusting. Its people like you with no conscience that are supporting the oppressive regime and prolonging the suffering of the Eritrean people.

    • Hope

      Selam Hilna:
      if you have a Real Hilina,yes indeed,we have to build Eritrea brick by brick while at the same time fighting for Justice but not by :
      -Gossiping
      -Defamatory Campaign
      -Lies
      -Fabrications
      -By being Enemy Agents…etc..
      Yes,indeed my brother,Brother-in-law,uncles,Cousins,etc–are building the Infrastructure and am taking care of their families and am doing my part too,while fighting for Justice like you claim to do.
      Eritrea is not the same or equivalent to the PFDJ and I differentiate them and am not going to betray my country coz I hate the system or the PFDJ.
      Get real and walk the walk,not just talk.

      • Hilna ngber

        Mr. Hope less

        Zeysnkas husa kortmelu. Its very obvious you are here to defend your Master Iseyas while disguised as opposing PFDJ by putting a few phrases here and there. You are not tricking anyone except yourself. Go and build the stupid road yourself, not my cousin is there, my brother in law.. bla bla. And remember you will be doing the free hard labor for 20 years with no freedom . Stop with your army bullshit. These youth were abducted from streets and their homes in order to be slave labor under the disguise of being an “army”. They are abducted innocent civilians. Your power hungry master Eseyas simply doesn’t want any youth in the cities because he fears they will one day rise up against his regime.

        You are trying to shift the blame from your master to the victims, friends, family blab bla. I guess your evil doesn’t know any boundaries.

        You said the youth died in vain. You are very wrong. The truth is these are the heroes
        who said a defiant and very loud NO to the oppressive regime. They are like a match that starts wild fire. They will embolden the oppressed people to stand up and get rid of the filthy dictator. Their names will go in history as heroes and heroines who stood up for their rights .

  • tes

    Dear Readers,

    During the border war, I heard that Eritrean Defense Force under the command of DIA used chemical weapons to kill Ethiopian soldiers in two occasions: when they withdrew from Western front (Badume and its environs and lost all land till Barentu) and in the Assab Front. For details, I will have some reservation. Very recently an EPDP official website posted an article that exposes crimes committed by EDF over Sudanese Soldiers. These war criminals need to be exposed further. They have used chemicals that are banned from use during war times.

    Countless crimes will be exposed sooner or later that are committed by EDF under the ruling regime of PFDJ and direct command of DIA. Just lets be patient for a while.

    Today, what triggered me to remember those brutal war crimes is that I want to tell the world that these brutal killers do not have any kind of humanity from the very beginning. They were killers before and now they will remain so. This fresh incidence in the heart of Asmara is not the first to be heard. There are countless incidence within Asmara and all over Eritrea.

    Folks: do not be surprised. Just act! 25 years have passed with countless tragedies. These serial killers will continue to do so until they are weeded-out.

    tes

    • Nitricc

      Dear Tes; I noticed what the time is in France and advise you please know your limits. You have an issue with government stick with it. you don’t have to go to something you have no idea with whenever you are loaded.

    • dawit

      tes.
      I believe you have the latest discovery of ‘Sakitism story’. Eritrea using Chemical weapon at Bademe and Assab! Did you work at the Chemical weapon laboratory when you were assign as graduate assistant at Asmara University? I believe that kind of an eye witness story give a lot of weight at UN and ICC. That must be great ‘Seber Sakitism Zena’ for 2016
      dawit

      • Nitricc

        Dawit; Tes witnessed the chemical weapons dispensed when he was rearranging the chairs in the school cafeteria. I think AT needs to hold this guy comments for 12 hours; that way he will have the chance to soberly edit what he has written in state of drunkenness.

    • Haile WM

      Hi tes,

      I just don’t understand what has this to do with the news coming from home ? what is this hashewiye ? using chemical weapons (which I highly doubt) in war against an armed enemy is quite different from shooting unarmed civilians in the middle of capital city in broad day.
      Please let’s not get in gual meghedi style typical of the opposition tradition.

      • tes

        Selam Haile WM,

        There is no hashewye here, it is very straight. EDF was a serial killer and so will do every time. Point!

        tes

        • Ted

          Hi tes or is it TES፣,one word “ማጨሎት”

          • tes

            Hi Ted,

            Your crocodile tears on the Ethiopian demonstrators tragedy was so laud. Every Ethiopian heard it.

            On Eritrean matters, life is worthless, right?

            Your junta was a serial killer. It was before, it is now and will be.

            on the holy water, I wish I was blessed with. Just send for me if you have around but it should be a non-polluted holy water.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi tes,

            You are right on this issue about Ted including “Peace” by the way. Their loud voice about the act of the Ethiopian government, now disappeared when it comes to our own victims. Peace and Ted were more vocal than the Ethiopians, especially Peace, on what happened to the Ethiopian people by their government. When it comes to the killing of our citizen we saw the indifference and took the quietism stand. Yegermal?

            Senay Mishet
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Hi, Amanuel Hidrat, people deserve to process and grieve peacefully, can you gently guide the Nut out of the room.
            “EDF was a serial killer and so will do every time. Point!”am i wrong to assume he is NUTS?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Ted,

            I am not a person who makes blanket accusation. I only believe there are some criminals within the ranks of EDF. tes is tes, and I can only control myself what I should say or I should not. Second if you ask us to let you grieve peacefully, if that is true at all, when are you going to show your wrath on the killing of civilians by the regime? At least I expect you to say a crime has happened against our citizen. Quietism in politics is a stand, and quietism on the issue at hand is not in fever of the victim.

            Senay Mishet
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Solomon Haile

          Selam TES.
          Asking you for a straight forward answer to a straight forward question:

          Is the mession to destroy or not destroy EDF?

        • Estefanos

          Selam Haile!

          Here goes again in getting in gual mengedi in typical of his apologists. You are still ready to take the excuses to discourage discussions. Could there be any reason fot the irresponsilble leadership in Eritrea to murder these youngsters in Asmara. The crime was committed in broad daylight. Absolute power corrupted Issayas and his henchmen and stopped him listening the peoples grievances long ago. Issayas is blinded by his arrogance and continues to kill everyone who crossed his line. He should be stopped at any time as soon as possible. Eritrea is almost destroyed because his regime ended up being deaf dumb and blind. The Issue at this time is how to stop such killings of innocent youngsters and prevent such kind of criminal actions in the future. Still the regime assigned himself to be the accuser, the judge and the executer.

    • Hope

      hey tes;
      Where were you at that time,when the EDF members also were massacred like flies in Tessenei?
      Did you say Aseb Front?
      Didn’t the EDF members at Aseb Front tell you also the other side of the story?
      Where were you hiding at that time ,BTW?
      When Abi,Gen Nittric and others were “teasing” you about the late night/evening wining in Paris,I thought they were really teasing and joking but I guess they are right.
      Hmmm…war crimes?
      Where you born when our EPLF Tegadelti were burnt up alive with Napalml Bombs and Chemical Bombs in the Mountains of Sahel…s h a du shai W e R R ARRRRR!
      The Massawa civilian massacre with Napalm Bombs provided by the Terroirst Zionist Regime?Do these ring a bell to you??
      Sudanese Soldiers?
      That could be as a pure LIE as the one narrated in the same website about the Itanian Base in Aseb by,who else but Beshir Ishak of the puppet Opposition.
      You sound like Pilot of Sweden,Desalegn of Norway and Yonas Mastika of Europe led by Yosief Ghebrehiwot telling us now the Eritrean Struggle was unjust and void???

      • tes

        Selam Hope,

        Yes I know Derg used chemicals to wipe our freedom fighters. I can’t forget that. But then what followed?

        If you are implying that Ethiopia used so as Eritrea should, that is a different history. Just shut-up if you don’t have any other narration.

        tes

  • Hope

    Hello All Again:
    Let us NOT add fuel to the fire but water.
    I know we are talking Politics but…..I do not believe that this is the way to bring the real change we are hungry for. This is just a sign of desperation., the style of the Sems,the teses,the Hayats,etc—“—–Easy said than done”;”Letekemach semay kirb new”.
    MVA Vs Suicide Vs Homicide?
    Let us blame the poor victims equally for doing it the WRONG WAY!

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Hope
      ” Let us blame the poor victims equally for doing it the WRONG WAY.”
      OMG!

      • Hope

        Guad Abinet:
        Zem bel gurregna.Sayterut Abiet,saylikut wediet!Ayyimeleketihim ayaghebahim.
        if you do not care about the more than 80,000 Ethiopians of Eritreans,who were deported in the most inhumane way and if care less about te Massacre of Eritreans in their villages and Mosques and market places by your uncles and cousins,why would you care about this incident?
        Yes,indeed,”OMG” back to you!
        kezab weregna…..diros min kum negher endaywetabih….other than old-styled Gonderie-styled poems.
        Mind your God-xxxx business and do your home including but not limited to:
        -Figuring out as to what happened to the more than 1 Million Amharas,who have no trace from your own Gojjam and Gonder
        -About the 50 Million Ethiopians,who are hungry
        -The hundreds of the Oromos,who died and who are dying for NOTHING!

        • Abi

          Hope
          You are a dead person in the Awate living room.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hope,

      You said: “let us blame the poor victims equally for doing it the wrong way “. What do you expect from the “planet of illogic ” to use your pal ‘s phrase. This quote is an identifying phrase of your character, a unique character to blame the victim. Do not forget that the families of the victims are also reading you.

      • Hiope

        Selam Back Mr Aman Hidrat:
        I stand FIRM on my position that the alleged victims (The Friends,the Families,the Bus Driver,etc),in fact are /were the CULPRITS for leading things to the sad and unpleasant incident,a deadly one,in fact.
        Say it in whatever way you want it,they were WRONG and if they did not do things the way they did,no one could have been killed.
        Are you kidding me?
        If you were the Bus Driver,you would run into a Military Truck full of Amunitions and Armed Soldiers in order to block the truck for the sake of creating the condition for the few cowards to jump out of the Truck?
        You must be INSANE,to say the least.
        Yeah,easy said than done ,sitting back behind a computer in a comfort zone…..and worst,admiring this Plot?
        Hypocrisy and Opportunism at its best?

        • saay7

          Hope:

          While you are assigning blame, could you tell us how the bus driver was to blame from the newspiece provided:

          A large group of families and friends cramped the Shuq area waiting for their loved ones. When they saw the approaching truck, young friends of the conscripted used the city’s red bus to block the convoy.

          What in this piece tells you that the driver was not, himself/herself, an unwilling participant?

          Please take a breather.

          saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hope
            Just to echo our à mutual cousin Sal wed abuye Ahmed Abdu, to help you commit to memory, for a week throw the Bible you read and read this message from Mohammed H Al-Amoudi (MHA), God is talking through him , it is not MHA talking
            By the way Hope not this too if you cannot handle a testimony from a Muslim because a Muslim childhood friend who shared meals and friendhsip with let you down, her it is:Mohammed Hassen Al-Amoudi= Musgun Beltse Andai 😉

        • Saleh Johar

          Hope,
          Just a question: if Amanuel Hidrat is “sitting behind a computer in a comfort zone” are we to assume you are sitting in front of a computer, or, are you in an uncomfortable war zone, unlike him?

          Last time I advised you to stop imagining you are a judge in a conflict yo are neutral to. Unfortunately, the present Eritrean conflict has only two sides: justice vs injustice. There is no third position. If you are not for justice, you are for injustice. And if you are against the aspiration of the youth for freedom, and in support of the brutal actions of the repressive regime, you are on the side of the regime. Embrace that position and show some spine, don’t live a life of langa-langa.

        • tes

          Selam Hope,

          You were sharing with us something that happened (? I doubt) to your so called “your uncle???”.

          Just then wondering if your uncle was a coward. Hmmm! wey gud

          tes

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Dearest Hope,

      “Let us blame the poor victims equally for doing it the WRONG WAY!”

      I think I know what you wanted to say, but may be you are thinking of this as a planned demonstration to topple a government. It was simply a reaction by some forced recruits to save their lives from what they believe is a march to “slavery.”

      There cannot be a right or wrong way of doing it. They just reacted against a step the government took on them. What is surprising is how the guards handled the situation. Can you imagine how robotic or with zero moral values one has to be to run over a young adult because they were ordered “not to stop for any reason”?

      Something is seriously wrong brother.

      • Nitricc

        Your Fitnness; I am with hope on this one. They have caused their own death. In a military world; you do what you are told; the end of story! I know; the civilian community can’t comprehend the military system; but it is what it is! You are told to sit, you sit; you are told to stand up; you stand up; you are told to speak you speak you are told to shoot; you shoot.
        The bottom line is; if they obey the order and didn’t try to jump; they would been alive today; the END!

        • Haile WM

          Nitricc,

          why don’t you, just for once keep silent ? I mean this is ultimate disrespect. Please Please put things in perspective and don’t speak of something you have no idea. there is no military rule that permits shooting at anybody without a danger situation and proper chain-command order.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Gen,
          No way! A soldier’s ultimate mission is to protect the nation from FOREIGN and DOMESTIC enemies. To a soldier, “the nation” is “the people.” Then, a soldier’s ultimate mission is to protect the people from any harm. I understand soldiers have to follow orders, but this is not a battle field. This is one of those cases when a soldier must choose between saving his/her skin verses protecting the innocent. A coward will shoot a civilian for an accolade for following orders, but a hero would face whatever the consequence by refusing to shoot unarmed civilian. That was what I was getting at.

          • Nitricc

            Your FIttness; I agree with you that the mission of the soldier should be protecting the nation but the responsibility stops at the hands of the Generals who are giving the orders. And when the day comes; the soldier will say “ I was following orders” and ultimately the order givers are the once who are responsible; not the soldiers. As a soldier your job is not to judge right from wrong but to follow orders.

          • saay7

            Selamat His Fantiness:

            If you remember, when were were discussing civil disobedience in Ethiopia (and what happened in Asmara on Sunday is civil disobedience by youth who don’t want to be indefinitely conscripted far, far from their families), you and I agreed that topping the list of the recommendations of the Ethiopian human rights commission investigating the matter should be: no live bullets. Use rubber bullets if you have to, and only to restore order, not to punish. I would recommend the same thing for Eritrea but the only investigative body that is in place now is busy (a) rounding up people who are “the ring leaders” and (b) to make sure that there are no witnesses to future military movements: they will likely happen at night. With PFDJ, it is never how do I fix things but how I do continue committing horrible things with fewer witnesses and fewer resistance.

            Having said that, A.Osman’s frustration was directed at the wrong people. Eritrean National Service members refused shoot-to-kill orders and pay the price for it all the time: just yesterday, Assenna reported that five refused to execute shoot-to-kill orders in the Tessenei (?) area and they were summarily executed. Sometimes, they don’t refuse but shoot-to-miss (another form of civil disobedience.)

            This is going to drive some people crazy: but compared to the stubborn mules at PFDJ land who are in total denial (they are still saying on Wednesday that the tragedy of Sunday didn’t happen), Nitricc is reasonable. Again, by PFDJ standards.

            saay

          • AOsman

            Dear Saay,

            “Sometimes, they don’t refuse orders but they shoot-to-miss (another form of civil disobedience.)”

            That’s what I was expecting in the second incident in a crowded place. After killing two at the blocco, how are their superiors to blame them for not following their instruction. If they can’t disobey, they should do the minimum harm possible. I tend to believe that the three guys involved are not different from their superiors who had given them shoot to kill order. It is reported over 20 wounded and that includes a passerby who tried to help the wounded and got shot at…this sounds real aggression, not one doing it unwillingly.

            Regards
            AOsman

        • Semere Andom

          Nitricc:
          And how do u know that military info is that how it works in the do not ask do not tell incidents that happen in the army?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          NitrickY,

          Aha, that is what it kills your common sense. When it happens in Ethiopia, you cried like a hell and condemned the government of EPRDF. When it happened in our own country you condemned the victim. Do you know what image it gives you ? A big hypocrit and a big supporter to the killing machine of the regime. And true to the letters of your comment.

          Regimes come and regimes go. But your comment will remain stained in the memory of the families of the victims and in the archives of history. You are saying that haunts your conscience and nitricc as a person. Why do you indulge to such nonesense unforced error?

          • Nitricc

            Aman-H let’s talk commonsense in here! In Eritrea you have a system that says my way or highway; so much so, this is the system who doesn’t blink to shoot at its handicap war veterans and you do what the government told you to do; no question asked. Yet, in Ethiopia; you have a government who claimed to be elected 100% by the people. Can you understand the difference and in why I separate the two different governments? I hope you come to your senses!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            So you are condoning the killing of citizens by the regime and you found it common sense. Mehret yewfedelka zehawey. After all this are forced conscript, they are not regular military. Conscienteous citizens can disobey governments if they found their instruction is wrong. Even if citizens are wrong the government should not apply deadly force that takes their lives.

        • AOsman

          Oh Nitric,

          I can see why “conformist” was your insult before you switch to “toothless”. I feel you, what you must have gone through conforming to military orders. My brother who had gone through the EDF military process and hates orders. If you tell him to do something he murmurs “izia txiqti iya..aytedlin”, so I tend to be careful with him.

          Abzia mexikha ikha tetenfis belleni … kindey do adkimka 🙂

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Nitricc

            AOsman; how do you know i don’t do the ordering? ” Abzia mexikha ikha tetenfis belleni” I don’t blame you; the African slave mentality is on!

          • AOsman

            Aye Nitricc,

            Well you may be ordering, did you jump there without tasting the life of being a subject..I mean a conformist.

            A proud African
            AOsman

        • tes

          Selam Nitricc,

          Yes in military system, soldiers should obey orders. If we agree on this, DIA ordered Eritrean Defense Force (EDF) to use chemical weapons during the third Eri-Ethio border war. Why then you are contradicting yourself?

          tes

        • Dear Nitricc,

          I do not expect you (Nitricc or Hope) to accept it, but this is to show you that you are WRONG. If we leave out the victims, those who obeyed the order to shoot and kill innocent civilians as so many others have done so, could find themselves in the court of law in the future, when things change.
          I hope the moderators will forgive me for copy-pasting this.

          “An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders — if the order was illegal.

          “I was only following orders,” has been unsuccessfully used as a legal defense in hundreds of cases (probably most notably by Nazi leaders at the Nuremberg tribunals following). The defense didn’t work for them, nor has it worked in hundreds of cases since.”

          “the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal.”

          http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm

          • Nitricc

            Horizon; i know you have to say something but are they “civilians” ? are you sure about that?

          • Nitricc,

            “Eritrean soldiers escorting convoys of conscripts opened fire on young recruits and civilians, killing and injuring an undisclosed number.”

            Conscript (forced to serve in the military) and recruit (newly enlisted in the military, not yet really different from a civilian); it is up to you interpret as you like. So, it is important to you to know if the victims are conscripts, recruits or civilians, as if you care. After all, as much as you are concerned, they deserved their death. Or, do you want to tell us that your heart is broken for the civilians, but not the conscripts and recruits?

          • Solomon Haile

            Selam Horizon,

            tSeba ‘ste. I wanted to introduce the Horizon variable to your earlier several “why Eritreans…” not necessarily rhetorical questions blitz. The gnomes stopped it but I insist I will get back to it.
            tSAtSe

    • Gogo

      Selam Hope,
      Why are you deliberately acting like a moron? Please think and behave like a mature person. How old are you anyway? ፎኲስን ዓብንሲ እንታይ ይብሃል!

  • dawit

    Dear All,
    So this ii the tabloid April Fool day news reported by Sakitism, EDF members ‘Sakit toxi kefitom in the center of Asmara? It was on Sunday but No time of the incident reported, it could be morning? Afternoon? Evening? or at night? AT picture looks the incident must have taken at mid night! I am wondering if the truck drivers were blind, who drove their trucks over the body of unconscious victim who jumped of their trucks and fell in the middle of the road. Thanks Sakitism. what a great story!
    dawit

    • Haile WM

      dawit,
      this is ultimate rubbish coming from you, trying to parrot ‘gheteb is even more pathetic to your usual standard. Please return to your usual self and prepare in for Mekete

  • kazanchis

    Dear all,

    It’s very tragic indeed. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this barbaric act. The poor young kids had risked their life in attempt of escape, their decision by itself doesn’t need explanation and in itself speak volumes.
    Some of the folks… be compassionate and sensitive to family members whom going through this difficult period, rather than jumping to defend the undefendable regime.

    Kazanchis!

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Surely, the regime thus started to collapse. Slowly and surely the end of Isayas is around the corner because he is coward and cannot withstand mass defiance.

    The people took long to know Isayas’s tricks. What was missing how to enlighten those shooters end their submission to Isayas’s threats against their disobedience. And, that is almost there ever since Isayas confiscated the monies of the generals. The confiscation of all monies paralyzed the market causing impotence to Isayas’s power to continue oppress and exploit the people in name of national security.

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi all,

    Every day we are hearing the most horrendous crimes perpetrated by GOE against the Eritrean people. These crimes are Beyond the wildest imagination of the most experienced authors of horror films. Very hard to believe PFDJ is made up of persons who have the slightest care for the Eritrean masses.

    The Eritrean army is basically a tool of the oppressor.

    I am including this link which shows some digree of difference between armies that are totally controlled
    by political parties.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU

    On the other hand the Russian army refused to fire to the people in Moscow, Russia in 1989.

    Not in Eritrea. In Eritrea the individual in the army is basically, a robot. No soul, no filling.

  • Solomon Haile

    Selamat Awtistatas Awatistas,

    “It is a concrete jungle…darkness gas come in my life..I never know ‘appiness.” BMW

    Somehow rational is found in Saay’sSaay’s: “I am NOT that guy!… You know the Atlas guy who putts the weight of….

    Stuck between “The Pythagorean Plato” and The Republic… Where the value of justice may or may not have value in time of PEACE…

    The E string is strung on the guitar… And the pegs are now to be replaced for fine tunning I suppose “btSot!”
    tSAtSE

  • Habesha99

    I don’t believe a word this website Awate presents. Not a word. you are not objective. you create Eritrea and the government look bad. give it a break. you are only hurting your country with these lies lies lies …..try to tell the truth for a change and be objective , that’s what is journalism . your web site is dangerous.

    • Yonas

      Habesha99. Its time to clean you and Isayas and his criminal gangs. You are obviously sleeping. We will kill you and your likes. We will have free Eritrea or no Eritrea. We are looking on ways to achieve this with minum casualty. You want to stand on the way well get ready, time is up. We all will die anyways so lets die fighting…

    • Lamek

      Hey Habeshi. I am not in a business of defending this website. They have pencils’ sharper than anyone’s you will ever meet. But I am extremely curious which parts of this article are lies. This is a confirmed news item. It is everywhere. Please enlighten me. I, myself, find the website a little bit too patriotic and usually they can’t differentiate between PFDJ and the government of Eritrea and the state of Eritrea. In Eritrea, everything is PFDJ. Say, you destroy the Bisha mines, that to me, means you destroy the assets of PFDJ and not the people of Eritrea. The people of Eritrea own nothing, absolutely nothing. Even their very selves are not theirs.

      • Semere Andom

        dear Lamek:
        right,, destroying the Bisha mine will keep the wealth of the people of Eritrea in the gound underground, but do not tell that to Ted

        • Ted

          Hi Semere Andom, it is my retirement investment right there, you touch it, i will come down on you like a tone of bricks*. If Bisha is your problem, brace yr self, there is more where that come from. Invest, you fool.
          * Suzan Rice, the worst adviser ever.(comic book guy)

    • Semere Andom

      Habesha:
      unless you have been sleeping for 25 years, Eritrea does not have a government. Probably you are one of the shooters

    • PTS

      Hello all,
      This is what you will find on Habesha99’s disqus
      “Baltimore is a war zone. I cant imagine what the mothers of these young men are going”
      Such a hypocrite!

  • AOsman

    Dear Awatista,

    I don’t understand those who like sheeps just follow orders and shoot at civilians………can’t they shoot up or miss purposely, if they must fire to protect their xxx.

    Recently the regime through TV-Eri has been airing a programme “meselkum hitetu” lecturing people to ask for their right.

    Now lives have been wasted in broad daylight, the justice to be served from this criminal entity after a fake investigation is nothing but to punish the wounded people.

    People at home need to overcome fear, kherbana kherbana ilka defirka meselka mihtat iya…nobody is going to solve the problem for them.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Aosman:
      Meseluk hitetu is very dangerous. This is a trap to weed out any simmering dissents. People must be caustioned. EPLF/PFDJ used that forumula before too, during their jungle days. I am not sure where you were in 1994 but that is what they did in Keren after the meeing then they arrested a bunch of muslim and massacred them and buried them mass graves. Also like the new blood does n ot apply to IA, if people smarten up and demand their right and air their misgivings about the minister of education, the water and electricity director or the corruption in issuing construction and renovation permit, or they can even demo demanding accountability about local elections, about they will be safe.
      About the guards shooting, oh the are not your average NS people herding other natination services, they are the special army, or the Teds, dawits and nitriccs to use Sem Andom’s parlance 🙂
      Also, am sure you have heard of the Milgram experiment

      • Ted

        Hi Semere Andom, the special army you worried about are Toronto Eritrean mothers fed up of your harassment. Some day, with PFDJ or XYZ, ” Meseluk hitetu” be for real where you won’t be relevant, that scared the heck out you.

        • Semere Andom

          Ted:
          For once stand up for something. Do not talk about stuff you have not clue about, demonstration, activisim. You are still hanging on the hope that PFDJ will live its crimes, you cannot even sympathetic with Mohammed Hussien who the regime inflicted so much pain to make him blind. If the Toronto mothers whose kids and loved ones you , dawit, gheteb and nitricc are murdering one day press charges against me for harassing them, I will live with that, and I will even carry the rock to ask for forgiveness, but are you ready when the the same mothers or their sisters back home press criminal charges against you and prove beyond doubt that your hands are bloody when from your cozy west home trafficked their kids and got paid for it.

    • PTS

      AOsman,
      Meselkum Hitetu. Aren’t they sweet?!
      And my observation is this: on Saturday, Gazeta Hadas Ertra published MoFA’s statement condemning EU’s condemnation of human rights abuses, where EU said (and accurately) human rights abuses in Eritrea are worse today than during Ethiopian occupation. The PFDJ regime said “what!? That’s a lie!” The next day, the regime goes on shooting rampage as to prove EU’s assertion was correct all along. What do you know!

      • AOsman

        Dear PTS,

        The EriTV show that I mentioned is deviced to monitor public dissatisfaction and as Semere pointed the blame is at public servants and self critisism only (a culture of spending that is claimed to have taken place)…abotatna ko kemzi iyom nerom. ..ilka tijimr.

        The presenter goes the government is working hard to help us with many rules and policies, but we are failing in its implementation :). Whats the cause? Then what follows is self criticism and blaming a poor guy in charge of buses or taxis or what have you.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Berhe Y

          Dear AOsman and all,

          The solodiers will stop shooting if they know well that nothing will happen to them after words. You are seeing it at each individual level but that’s the problem and the reason why PFDJ is still in power.

          http://m.wisegeek.com/what-is-mob-mentality.htm

          What needs to happen is, the solodiers will stop shooting or revolt if it becomes part of mob / herd mentality rather than individuals.

          That’s why the successful Revolution have people devising strategy, create agitation, provoke so that to arouse the crowd into taking action as a group rather than do it individually.

          This is where you need mass media, radio, etc to bring the young agitate for change.

          I think people say, oh the Eritrean youth are armed to their teeth and when they are ready they will bring the government. There is nothing far from truth and the main reason Isayas will never compromise to end the national service.

          These kids at young age, 16 or 17 are send there to be submissive and follow orders. All the rights and freedoms they think they had is taken away and they know they are at the mercy of the training officer. He can decide if they live or die and there is no accountability what so over. They install fear in them that they know they only have two choices, if they are to live.

          1) be submissive and follow order and survive another day, until what ever happens
          2) wait until opportune time comes and leave as far as possible from this country and start life.

          So what he does is kills any type of revolution (everyone is looking out for himself / individually first). Once they leave the country they wanted to start their own life, and the star as far away as possible.

          What’s worst, once he know they have left the country, he gives them all rights and pre villages that was denied to them in their country, such as passport (for 100 dollars) and he made them sign (regret paper) so he keeps them in a leash and they (being selfish individuals, like any other) start to think, what if I wanted to go back home? So they stay away as far as possible from joining the opposition, and they become source of income to the regime (as they will be sending money, may be the 2 % tax etc).

          So in Isayas world, when inside the country made them obedient and slaves with no rights. And when they leave, they stay far so they don’t come back to fight. And if the wanted to come back, make them pay. He uses them all over again.

          Not to mention they need belonging so they get to associate with the PFDJ organized activities (the dances and festivals).

          It’s really very difficult to break from this norm and go the other way.

          Berhe

    • Yoty Topy

      Hi AOsman,
      ‘I don’t understand those who like sheeps just follow orders and shoot at civilians………can’t they shoot up or miss purposely, if they must fire to protect their xxx.’

      The principle under which they are guided is called the ‘chain of command’ which militaries have utilized it for Mileneas to enforce discipline. While not defending them I think to point the fingers is missing the forest for the trees.

      • AOsman

        Dear Yoty Topy,

        That I understand soldiers must act like robots and follow orders, but change only comes is when they follow their conscious and refuse under unacceptable demands. In this case I was not even expecting that, just act up and use some of their bullets on air as a cover….especially on the second incident as saying it was crowded with civilian would have been a good defence.

        I guess the military chose the ruthless ones to guard the truck and the only way out for the recruit was to take risk and overpower them after the first two victims were killed. Now not much that can be done, all are at the merci of DIA and his NS.

        Regards
        AOsman

    • Dear Aosman,

      No, a soldier cannot shoot to miss, but to hit his target. In this case, the soldiers had two choices; either to shoot to kill unarmed civilians, or shoot to kill those who ordered them to commit the crime. In between, what exists is a suicide for them. They could have joined the recruits and their families and turned their guns at the system. In such situation sometimes one man (a small group of men) could turn the tide of history, by being ready to accept any sacrifice.

      Unfortunately, there are only few examples of bloodless revolutions. When 1974 the police force refused to shoot at rioting Addis Ababa students, because some of them happened to be their children, and declared that they were ready to stand with their children for whatever may follow, that became the catalyst that brought a chain reaction. A military unit in Ogaden revolted, and when Generals were sent to bring them to their senses, they put them in prison; and this brought a phenomenon of mutinies mushrooming all over Ethiopia. Finally, the government simply collapsed without bloodshed. Unfortunately, later on when the Ethiopian people’s revolution was highjacked by the so called communist revolutionaries, the bloodless revolution turned into a river of blood.

      The people of Eritrea despite the difficult situations under which they are forced to live, still do not seem to be ready for change. Some people are asking; a) why do Eritrean soldiers prefer to throw away their guns as they run to cross the border, as they are being shot at from behind and they do not dare to shoot back to defend themselves; b) why some Eritreans make a U-turn and become supporters of the regime after they land at their destinations, forgetful of all the things that had happened to them and those whom they knew; c) why they choose to remain in refugee camps in Ethiopia and Sudan with the aim to continue to the West, instead of joining an armed struggle to depose dictatorship in Eritrea, etc, are question that have not yet found answers. May be they see a worse enemy than DIA and the PFDJ.

      • AOsman

        Dear Horizon,
        Forget in situation that we are discussing, I know of a story of shooting aimlessly in war just to show that one is fighting…that’s is a person who was not interested in the 1998 war but found himself in the middle of it.

        On a) In the past those on national service were living on hope that after years of toil they would be discharged and also were gripped by fear that absconding will discredit them all the time spent to nill. The new generation are much different and ready to take risk as they will not repeat the mistake of those who preceeded them. The news is an example, unfortunately the solution in front of them is to escape than be slaves and they are doing what they know best – shooting back means taking a life and you would not do that if you decide to escape. The short stay in the military makes it difficult for them to rebel. Mutiny can only be expected from those who have been there long (they have accepted their fate in the army) and now may feel cheated that the promised increase in salary has not been implemented. The mutiny of soldiers in 1974 that you mentioned was economic in nature to begin with (shortage of water, food and delay in salary payment – all present in Eritrean case), the protests of the day by students, taxi drivers and civil servants would have emboldened the soldiers to express their frustration. The condition we are at may be comparable, PFDJ is ahead of the game though by making sure that all sectors of the population are voiceless which is not providing the necessary action to trigger mutiny. 1974 was also a year of drought, the only difference is the external factor (Saudi oil embargo) that would have squeezed the Ethiopian economy at the time and consequently led to surge in inflation and made life unbearable. While oil prices are not low, DIA has created a special economic situation of deflation and shrinking economy by reducing currency circulation which is leading to open criticism and may push people to revolt.

        Your b) could be attributed to the failure of Diaspora community to cater for their needs when they reach the west and c) the weak opposition that they give up on first sight.

        Regards
        AOsman

      • abebe

        Eritreans are selfish that is the main reason they couldn’t fight back the gov. when you fight and you fight to die and free other people which is selfless but most Eritreans are not that type . even during the era of their struggle I have heard that most of them forced conscription not volunteered . the main reason why the refugees support the government after they arrived their destiny is,for self benefits so that they go back to their home , visit a family , and may be buy a house and soon . this is an Eritrean character and an extra ordinary selfishness. they don’t care about their family and their friends but themselves . the sad fact is they are waiting for Ethiopia to declare war on Eritrea and freed them at the expense of ethiopian life even more extra selfishness. I don’t see this happening in near future, for one thing ethiopian government and Ethiopian people are not ready to gamble in their development and on another hand the Eritrean government is not ready to provoke Ethiopia to ward ( a typical example is the urgent return of ethiopian kidnapped by Eritrean govern ) above all the people of Ethiopia in general is well aware there is not benefit with war in Eritrea and is not ready to die for Eritrean cause . for me as long as Eritrean can’t won their selfishness , there will be no way out of darkness . moreover one of the principles of dictatorship is no reform , reform is considered like a suicide in dictators holy book . therefore, I don’t expect Eritrean government can make reforms nor Eritrean fight for their freedom . . above all even if Isayas died , the next leader will be more illegitimate and less acceptable than isayas which will force him to use extra force as a means of survival . the future is worse for them or they have to adapt live with the current situation even worse

  • Ethiopian_one

    Egzabihir yirda selam yamta lehulum

  • tes

    Dear Gedab News Providers,

    Thank you for following the event. It is very sad to hear this news though it is not unexpected. As Semere Andom constantly reminds us about these brutal mafias, such phenomenon will not stop till the regime is in power.

    I hope the people inside Eritrea will now show his anger and those in the diaspora come-out and protest against such atrocities.

    tes

    • Nitricc

      Tes; you didn’t cry? What is wrong with you? you always say you cried after hearing some bad news; how come you didn’t cry about this one? Tes, you are cold blooded human. Go and cry now; show someheart.

      • tes

        Hi Nitricc,

        Yes I didn’t cry. In fact I have stopped crying. Now it is time to take a revenge.

        If you know what Jommo Kenyata, said, and if you don’t know no problem, I will quote him here:

        “When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

        This saying applies directly in our case but with a different experience:

        Before Independence, Eritreans were proud people. They rejected any kind of oppression and stood for their rights. When PFDJ took the power from the people by betraying people’s cause, PFDJ went on to lose our pride. After 25 years of insecurity and mourning, our eyes dried. Now, we have nothing to lose except our life. Why for then we cry when we lost everything: our pride, our independence and our beloved ones. Nothing hence no need to cry.

        Do not there expect me to cry. It is enough. Now, it is time to stood right and fight.

        No more crying Nitricc.

        End of times be unto PFDJ and Cult-followers

        tes

      • Zeray Haben

        Good day! Nitiricc
        Is that the purpose of your mission- to take pleasure when you see children, adults, mothers cry? What kind of sick expectations do you have? If this gives you sadistic pleasure well you may wallow on the regime’s brutality and live with your self.

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