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Qatar: Planned Meeting Between Eritrean And Yemeni Presidents Fail

On  Wednesday, August 19, President Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea visited Doha, Qatar, for “bilateral talks” with the Emir of Qatar. President Abdu Rabbu Mensour of Yemen who had arrived earlier in Doha, left a couple of hours after the arrival of Isaias Afwerki.

According to Qatari media, on Wednesday Isaias met the Emir of Qatar Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani. The meeting was attended by the “Deputy Emir Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Thani.” The news also stated, “the session was attended by members of the delegation accompanying President Afwerki.”

The names of delegation members accompanying Isaias Afwerki are mostly kept secret and rarely mentioned.

The Qataris had planned a meeting between Abdu Rabbu Mensour and Isaias Afwerki to resolve the lingering issue between the two countries over Yemeni accusation of Eritrea, that it is provides logistic support to the Houthis.

Ali Ibrahim Ahmed, Isaias’ ambassador to Qatar, had earlier delivered a message to the Qataris that explained Isaias precondition to participate in the meeting. Isais required an official statement from Abd Rabbu Mensour’s government withdrawing its accusation that he supported the Houthis However, the Yemeni president refused to make an apologetic statement and left Qatar after rejecting Isaias’ request.

Senior Yemeni and other Arab officials repeatedly accuse Isaias Afwerki’s government of supporting the Yemeni Houthis, but so far, all of the accusers have failed to provide a concrete evidence to support the continuous accusations.

Isaias Afwerki has used the Yemeni crisis to align himself closer to the UAE at the expense of Qatar, the only country with which he maintains cordial relations.

Both Qatar and the UAE have divergent positions on several regional issues. On the Yemeni crisis, however, they share a common position, and both are members of the Saudi led alliance against the Houthis of Yemen.

According to an observer from the region, “the  UAE military involvement was instrumental in the retaking of Aden and recent advances against the Houthi strongholds.”

So far, though the UAE and Qatar have managed to work together on the Yemeni crisis, they have serious differences over major Arab issues under the surface, including differences over the Egyptian and Syrian crisis.

While the Qatari government had supported Mohammed Mursi, the deposed Egyptian president, the UAE was against the Muslim Brotherhood and now strongly supports President Abdulfatah AlSisi.

Under the late King Abdulla Bin AbdulAziz, Saudi Arabia supported president AlSisi, but under the new monarch, King Salman Bin AbdulAziz, its relation with Egypt’s AlSisi “can be described as lukewarm at worst, and cautious at best.”

In recent months, Saudi Arabia has adjusted its Syrian policy and is now closer to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the Turkish president who is still loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood of Mohammed Mursi and opposes President AlSisi. At the same time, Saudi Arabia has revived its relations with the Yemeni franchise of the Muslim brotherhood. Qatar and UAE hold divergent views on many regional issues except on Yemen, and at this moment, UAE’s position is closer to that of Saudi Arabia, the major regional power. It’s not clear how Isaias Afwerki will use the differences of the two countries to leverage his position.

A regional observer explained the complicated relations of Isaias, and the inter-Arab Gulf countries, as relations “that travel on single road, though it’s a highway with many lanes, where each lane is separated by a thick wall, and Isaias’ footsteps are on all the lanes.”

Last April* Isaias Afwerki visited Saudi Arabia on a trip facilitated by President Omer AlBashir of Sudan, to discuss the Yemeni crisis and returned empty handed. However, things could have changed if what the Saudi owned  AlSharq AlAwsat of London reported on its August 19 issue holds water. The newspaper reported:

“Somalia and Eritrea joined the Alliance that is led by Saudi Arabia in its Red Sea operations, and that the General Ali Ahmed Al Tineji of the UAE is nominated to be the commander of the Red Sea operational zone in a time that the alliance’s barges are close to the coast of the Yemeni port of Hodeidah which is located on the Red Sea shores; Yemeni sources expect [a troop] to embark very soon while the alliance airplanes have intensified the bombing of location of the Houthi armed forces and the forces of the deposed [ex-president Ali Abdella] Saleh in the port of Hodeidah and the naval base.”

*Correction: it was incorrectly reported as “Last Month.”

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  • Nitricc

    Hey Pappi;why do I have this strange fleeing that you are all in with the ego manic Rezene. I never liked Elsa or anyone of them for that matter but I always support with under dog. They are ganging up on her. Hopefully they will finish off each other.
    By the way The new Wiqato is on. I thought it was dead after the original creater died.

    • Papillon

      Nitricc ma ill bro,

      That’s precisely the reason I say you’re my fav PFDJista and I would want you to stay that way at least for a while for that’s your charm as well. It sure broke my heart when I saw them fighting over which seems to me a popularity contest gone terribly wrong. No wonder Isaias doesn’t take them serious. What a pity!

  • Eyob Medhane

    Papilon,

    Ahhhhhh…You know, that argument you just made…”…There is a moral imperative one can’t over look, when our commonality as two people outshines….” That used to be my argument. (Ask Sal. He would tell you) So was Abi’s. But you know what, Papi, it turns out that we have the same kind of commonalities with almost all of our neighbors. Ethiopian Somalis are identical with Somalian Somalis as much as Habesha Eritreans are identical with Habesha Ethiopians. That goes the same with Ethiopian Afars and Djibouti Afars. Ethiopian Nuers and South Sudan Nuers. Etc… All these communities have the same names and last names across our borders, and can be mistaken for brothers, just like Haile and Ghirmay. Therefore, as much as we want to claim moral imperative to “save” Eritrea, based on the “brotherhood”, that claim stands the same for South Sudanese and Somalians, which Ethiopia is deeply involved in. What I am telling you is to get involved on a third one can be a bit burdensome… But, I understand the sentimentality of that argument, because I sometimes use it. However, it is becoming less and less convincing and rational by a day as I get older and deal more with reality as opposed to idealism…

    • saay7

      Hi Eyob:

      Instead of giving credit to your advancing age for your emerging common sense wisdom, you should just have said, “Sal showed me the error of my ways as every country in Africa has cross-border kin.” What a stubborn Habesha you are:)

      saay

    • Papillon

      Dear Eyob,

      Well we will have to hope against all hopes then. Till then though, here is a song for you which is my fav one from your Eritrean sista. Enjoy!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYSq8Okqxt8

  • Eyob Medhane

    Papilon,

    Ha…I laughed very hard about me having ears of Haikemariam.. 🙂 I kept calling him and leaving a message and he just is not returning my calls… 🙂

    I actually do not believe at this point, Ethiopia does not intend to interfere in Eritrea for number of reasons…

    1) The regional responsibilities that it has taken Somalia, South Sudan to lesser extent Sudan has really preoccupied its political and military capacities.

    2) It is being demanded to resolve so many accumulated over the years problems internally, and has decided and promised PUBLICALLY to resolve most of them in the coming five years. These laundry list problems are not easy and required full attention without being distracted by another entanglement by a neighboring country’s issue.

    3) Neither the political elites nor the people are really interested in revisiting the issue of Eritrea anymore. It is a toxic issue in the eyes of many political and influential circles in the country, they much rather get the old school style root-canal than doing anything that has to do Eritrea.

    4) Ethiopian government is very much aware of the fact that a huge number of Eritreans DO NOT want it to get involved in any way. By trampling over their will, it does not want to create another resentment that will linger for the next fifty years again.

    I could go on and on with the reasons, why that might not happen. I do believe Ethiopia will only intervene, when there will be a regional security threat under the auspices of IGAD or AU in Eritrea, like what has just happened in South Sudan. Or one of those “opposition” groups that Isayas babysit in Eritrea try something stupid in Ethiopia. Other than that I am afraid they will want to do anything on their own.

  • dawit

    Abi, abi shumet yadaber! Eeat all you can eat ‘sishom yalbela sishar yeqochewal’ The goats are also very independent intelligent animals, that is why there are more goats in the world than cows. I am sure you would like raw (Qurt) than raw mutton, but taste differs you may even like raw chicken meat.

    • Abi

      mezmure dawit
      Thank you.
      The goats might be intelligent. They are definitely self- destructive including the mountain goats who always enjoy living on the cliff. They don’t do well when mingling with city goats.
      Regarding goat meat I only eat if it is female goat. Try it raw. It is delicious. Next time you visit your original country, go to Adama for raw goat meat. I don’t eat male goat meat . It stinks.

      • dawit

        Abi, I don’t like goat meat male or female. I only brndo of Harar Senga, raised by kotu farmers fed Chat and sorghum leaf.

        • Abi

          dawit
          You are high maintenance. You don’t sound eritrean.
          Brundo for you? Are you out of your eritrean mind?

          • dawit

            Abi, no problem when it come to brundo qurt, I settle for my Ethiopian nationality. Nuro bezede new eyteglabetu ‘Yaltegelabete yaral’ blewal ababa janhoy.

  • Fenomeno

    Dear Aman,

    Please enlighten me, Tewahedos are not Coptics? If so, what are their differences?

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Hi Araya,

    There is, indeed, a clear discrepancy between this footage that shows food aid shipment that “would hopefully avert the crisis going on right now”, according to the man interviewed in the video clip, and what Ato Alemayeho, spokesperson of Ethiopia ministry of agriculture, said to voa two weeks ago. Mr. Alemayeho is on the record telling the voa that there is no shortage of food in Ethiopia, they have enough food reserves and there is no need of food aid everywhere in Ethiopia. If that is the case, then where is this “ship after ship” of food aid going to?

    • Eyob Medhane

      Abraham,

      The footage is from AP dump of old clips on you tube. The story was from 2001..

      • Papillon

        Dear Eyob,

        There is a funny article posted on one of the PFDJ website titled, “Why is Eritrea striving while Ethiopia is starving.” It sure is rhetorical but it reverses the whole point so much so that it is taken as an opportunity to put a lipstick on a dying pig. A cousin of mine recently came back from Eritrea and his teenage daughter who had gone with him said to me that why is the guy still in power when the people are barely surviving. She went on to say that the constant outage of electricity and water is simply unbearable. And you have people with audacity telling us that everything is dandy in Eritrea and paint Ethiopia something of a wishful thinking reminiscent when children dropped like flies by pulling archived clips in a bid to relieve a pented up frustration. A morbid frustration that has ended in a complete reversal of fortune. If Ethiopia had a cruel leader with a menacing intent towards Eritrea, he wouldn’t have caused so much damage in magnitude as much as Isaias’. If in fact the current leaders of Ethiopia had a remote intent to that effect, they should be content for Isaias is doing it for them.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Papillon,

          Where have you been? Long time.. 🙂

          I agree with what you said except that there is also a shortage of water and electricity in Ethiopia. But for a different reason. In Ethiopia the demand of these services is getting higher by the day and new infrustractures and factories are eating up a massive share of electricity and water. (Addis has improved a whole lot better in very recent months, but regional cities, especially in the north are suffering quite a bit of these shortages, particularly Mekele, Gonder Desse and couple of more northern cities) The government at times is slow to respond to them, but they try to respond with new infrustractures..The long awaited Gibe III will start in January with full capacity, which is very much anticipated that it will massively eliminate the problem, if not entirely. May be, if God permits, Isayas will be gone soon, and then who knows? The grid might even be extended to Asmara.. And your teenage cousin will complain less next time she goes there.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            There goes Eyobai with his pollyana message:)

            Cousin dawit has nominated me as the FM and although the PM hasn’t confirmed the nomination, I am already doing my homework. Like: my favorite phrase of the week is “በክብር ተሰናበቱ”. According to a spinner at Fana, some of the brand names of TPLF are being given a dignified exit: በክብር ተሰናበቱ. I wonder how long it will take before you Ethiopians learn, just like we Eritreans learned with the demotion of Ramadan Mohammed Nur, that all these በክብር ተሰናበቱ guys were actually people being booted out:)

            Where is T.Kifle? If he doesn’t come and explain what is going on at the TPLF congress, I am going to assume that he too is part of the “በክብር ተሰናበቱ” gang.

            http://www.fanabc.com/index.php/news/item/9922

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            I believe TK is busy with TPLF. He may be saying to some TPLF leaders the same
            bekibir tesenabetu himself.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hi Self!

            Saay,
            Sorry I read your link after I posted mine. I could have rephrased my sentence like so: TK may have something to do with the masenabet part. By the way, I agree with the “retirement” of the 5, 1 I am surprised (Wedi Zemo), and 1 I don’t know enough about. The three out of my 5 should have left at the last election.

          • saay7

            Hey fanti:

            I didn’t see Abbay Woldu (Gebru Asrat reincarnated) in the “bekbr tesenabetu” list so he must be on the winning side of those pulling the trigger. How come there is no drama with the congresses of the other members of EPRDF but theres a lot with you. I am in Mekele trying to report for Gedab News and nobody is talking:) Nothing from tKifle or Eyob. I should have listened to Eyob and just watched Salva Kiir sweat as he was bullied to sign a peace agreement.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hey Saay,
            There were several names I could mention too, but I have issues of my own that cannot be disclosed, unfortunately, for a long time. I was hopping I will be free after this election, but it does not look like it. Let’s wait for TK’s update. He may be in the middle of it these days.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Salva Kiir sweating seem to be much more interesting and entertaining than TPLF congress…I have bunch of videos on it, which I can provide. Would like few? 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            Leave poor Salva Kiir alone. The “region” (aka Ethiopia with Obama lending his voice) has already bullied the man to sign an agreement with a gun pointed to his head. I am sure it’s an extension of African ethnic politics. Instead of more videos of the man sweating let’s begin the countdown as to when the agreement will be violated. I am saying Tuesday.

            saay

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            I tried reading T Kifles tome at Tigrai Online. Then I cheated and went straight to the conclusion. (Cautioning TPLF from Dedebitizing Mekele.) Then I felt guilty and started reading it and realized that I am allergic to Tigrinya Cadre. (Ordinary Tigrinya: ” tomorrow is Friday.” Cadre Tigrinya: “to say that tomorrow is Friday is not to imply one has prophetic powers.” Pages and pages of that:) You know how you dedicated a whole weekend to translate a video? I won’t ask that. Could you summarize anything not included in the conclusion? If u are extra nice, you can reference how I used to tell him that the TPLF has lost its way and he was telling me there is only one TPLF and then there are disgruntled ex-TPLF. 😉 Is it too early to clear my throat and practice aybelkun do?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No it is not. TK is right. TPLF is one and it constantly reforms itself. And that is a good thing. It has retired a number of leaders and ex fighters and it changed its executive committee (polit bureau) with new blood, and even added a very popular woman this time. So, that means it is an organization that always evolves. Don’t be fooled with chatters and pressures that it gets on social media to get itself reformed. It’s a new way to remind it to stay on its path…

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Well no sir. Years ago we asked you to give us reliable Ethiopian news organizations to get wide ranging news on Ethiopia. So that’s what I am using (excluding those who unfortunately ran in trouble with ATP) and including those you are allergic to (ESAT.) Would you like to update that list? I would particularly appreciate sources from the flourishing, diverse and adversarial Tigray media.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Well, I can come with some in due time, but what I have in mind now is a place where you can get a range of ideas, including many from Tigrean Ethiopians themselves in English, Tigrigna, Afaan Oromo and Amharic. Here it is. Try it. It is a good place for intellectuals analysis.

            http://hornaffairs.com

          • saay7

            Thanks Eyobai:

            I am familiar with hornaffairs.com; that’s where Aboy Sebhat goes to rant against TPLF. I was actually hoping you could refer me to Tigrinya language newspapers/magazines published and distributed in Tigray. The state has a population of over 4 million and I am sure it has diverse opinion on its governance:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            Unbelievable, but that is what I did too. I was at work, busy, I read halfway, then jumped to the end after promising my self to read it through during the weekend. So, it is Karma, I have to make that my weekend project.

          • Fanti Ghana

            The Struggle is stagnating

            TPLF and/or The Tigrean people’s struggle as a whole set out to accomplish two main objectives:

            1) To defend against and to remove the then rampant undemocratic governance.
            2) To expedite peace, democracy, development.

            Whatever accomplishments and successes Tigray has registered thus far is not comparable to the price paid and the efforts made for the struggle. Obviously, the political struggle has been won. However, that victory has brought a number of formidable strife with it:

            The general consensus on “self-preservation at any cost,” and the wide gap between the struggle’s intended goals and objectives verses the outcome are some of the main themes of the article. One stark example of this “self-preservation” is failure to encourage or consider fresh energy and leadership from a wider pool instead of exclusively from the armed struggle era personnel.

            Although TPLF’s decisive role in the Ethiopian People’s revolution is undeniable, the peace time administration of Tigray has been left for second rate leaders amid more qualified leaders concentration in the federal government. In the early days of the armed struggle, the organization had but limited choice to select leaders from the few available personnel which was confined to a small group from a small section of Tigray. That trend continued well after Derg’s removal.

            This self-imposed “too few to choose from” dilemma has made the leadership resistant to vital contributions from lower ranks. For example, the intended goal of Endowment Fund for the Rehabilitation of Tigray and others, which were established to aid in the revival of Tigray farms and other economic establishments following the 17 years of war which left Tigray economically devastated, the results have been dismal and there does not seem to be a different tact or agenda for the future either.

            One of the consequences of too few to choose from is living with and accommodating weaknesses. The organization’s leadership fear of disintegration and other issues has made them focus on survival while ignoring weaknesses. TK suggests monitoring of the internal administration be left to a third party as one possible remedy in the local level, and he also makes several suggestions regarding legitimacy of a governing body, how consequential legitimacy can be transferred to a ballot box based legitimacy, creation of well informed voters, establishment of electoral body acceptable to supporters and oppositions alike in the federal level.

            TK described the reasons behind the stagnation and he offered some suggestions to solve some of the most common problems Tigray is facing. Almost everything he mentioned in that article has been a source of discussion and worry among many Tigreans for several years. Therefore, I believe that he is not alone in his outlook regarding our version of ‘kalsi hizbi Tigray kabey nabey.”

            Regarding the “few elites to choose from” I mentioned above, which TK detailed very well and which is basically true, I must add one contributing factor into how that came about to begin with nonetheless.

            In the early days of TPLF a few well educated and ‘impressive’ individuals would join the organization, and in no time, they would make their way up to leadership level before their stand and belief was carefully studied and understood. This lack of filtering became a fertile ground for ‘tebelexti’ and even spies. To solve this problem, TPLF adapted a regulation making it one of the requirements for a potential candidate for any level of leadership to have been a member of the organization for at least two thirds of the organization’s existence.
            This rule solved a host of problems, but it may have contributed to the narrowing of the pool for leadership as TK described in his article and to the many complaints by many Tigreans why many TPLF authorities seem to be less qualified or educated than many available and obvious choices.

            It is very likely that my summary may not done justice to his eloquent and detailed article, but I hope you got the gist of it. I strongly recommend for you to read it when you get a chance someday.

            I am not sure if I added anything useful to what was covered by the article’s summary, but this is the best I could do.

            PS:
            You may squeeze some concession from TK, but I believe he has left a door wide open to your potential “aybelkundo” by implying that they are doing okay in the federal level, but at a price of a weak local administration. Which is the main theme of the article.
            Good Luck!

          • saay7

            Hi His Fantiness:

            Thank you very much sir. This is quite helpful and I must say that this makes it less likely for me to read his piece since you worked so hard at capturing its essence.

            The “aybelkun do” was a joke just to get TKifle to pay us a visit. Otherwise, we Eritreans are in no position to say so. Let me count the ways:

            1. This is the 12th congress of TPLF. The EPLF/PFDJ stopped at 3. It’s last congress was 21 years ago and in its 44 year existence, it has had only one undisputed boss, whatever title he may have been holding.
            2. The TPLF may be struggling on finding a perfect balance between wrongfully demoting productive old-timers and wrongfully holding on to unproductive veterans but it is, all the time, replenishing its front with new blood. The EPLF/PFDJ doesn’t even replace its veterans after it arrests them—It doesn’t have a director of organizational affairs now. A full 1/3 of the central committee is arrested or dead or exiled.

            Having said all that, I don’t see how it can remain dynamic and capable of solving all the challenges T Kifle presented until and unless the northernmost state pushes for peace with its northern neighbor. It’s one thing for Addis boys like Abi to say Eriwhatrea? We forgot all about u! It’s different I think for Tigray and all border states in the world.

            Thanks!

            saay

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Eyob Medhane,

        Thank you, I’ve checked the news item, and as you said, it is from way back in time, from April 2000. This just shows how some people, the Isayas-dihards, are willing to go and paint a picture of doom gloom about their neighboring Ethiopia.

        Thank you also Papillon for a very fitting description of such heartless people who do not represent the Eritrean people.

  • AMAN

    I think the problem of Ethiopia is because
    the minor TPLF tried to play over its weight
    and over its size politics against the major
    EPRDF. It looks like that to me. And worst
    yet again is that theft of agenda that didn’t
    originally belong to it and its political line.
    So the problem coming to Eritrea in the name
    of border war is due to the confused and misplaced
    political leadership the Ethiopian politics is suffering ?
    Any pro or con opinion ?
    Please Enlighten readers…

    • Mussa

      Did you read the article? RELEVANCE Is of essence here!!

  • Eyob Medhane

    Alright folks,

    Dawit is right..the entire world is Eritrean and Ethiopian…

    According to CCTV, Girmay Gebreslassie is a little brother of Haile Gebreselassie… 🙂

    I am not kidding…watch it yourself… Forward to 2:10
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xVhQuy7bV6A

    • haileTG

      Hi Eyobai,

      I don’t understand the fuss about this where the most happens to come from PFDJ. There is a whole article at tesfanews about some dud calling himself Eri-International Sport and writing back and fro to correct the messed up details of the athlete. Actually, he may have told the journalist that Haile G/s was his brother, meaning wendm’ie as in people-to-people (you know what I mean) and the journalist assumed it meant biological brother given the same last name. That wouldn’t work here though because our last name is simply our father’s name. If we had a surname system, then there might have been a case to explore if Ghebresselasie is the same name for a bigger clan of the Ghebresselasies family. Because that family name could have come from Ghirmay’s and Haile’s common ancestors of the Amhara army settlers in highland Eritrea (the 300,000 or so:). In which case, it would be acceptable to say they are brothers, in Tigrigna they are called ሓደ ገዛ እዮም። I don’t know how you say it in English – may be “they share the same zip code” or similar:-)

      • Abi

        Hailachin
        Wedet, wedet? Eko wedet?
        Girma is ethiopian. He is Haile’s brother. That makes you an ethiopian. Welcome home.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Abi, then why only Ethiopian, if he is haile’s brother he can be also Eritrean. isn’t it. you see this is the main reason there was always contradictions. forcing others to be in your side or be called your name is creating war. I have different solution, we can allow everybody to choose his nation while accepting the brotherhood of both. that is the reason I always mention we are one people in two nations.things are so simple, what is needed is looking from the other side perspective. Unity could have been accomplished before if it was possible by monopolizing others. so we are Proud Habesha. and you are Ethiopian but I am Eritrean. united nations of Habesha can be reality. why not even united nations of Horn Africa, all can be accomplished by respecting each other.Agree?

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You spend more time “under ” Atse Amanuel supervision , you are missing all the fun.
            I insist we are two
            People in two nations . It took me over 20 years to say this ( to swallow the bitter truth) don’t take me back.
            Hoden atababaw.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,
            That is not bad, at least you already accept we are two nations. it will take you another 20 years to swallow the 2nd one – we are one people. Look at our languages, Look at our face, our culture etc. what differences do you see between you and me? because of this stupidity named nationalism, shall we lose all those qualities?

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You should have asked those questions looooooonnnnngggggg time ago. I have been saying that while you were looking for any excuse to look different. I called you my brother while you called me my colonizer.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,
            you (if not you your kings) didn’t know how to handle it. since one of the three case that create a nation was European colonialism, Eritrea is supposed to be a nation as soon as the British left the nation. so, if both people want united Habesha still they could have done it through referendum that will be a choice including federation. we both fail in handling the case and we pay for it. we as people are suppose to work on that. Eritrea face nonstop war from your leaders and every Eritrean pay his life, money and time to free the nation. now Eritrea is here as nation but that crazy leadership is not there. instead Eritrea created the worst one. Lol….I am laughing. so what is next? now the way out is love. I love you. I don’t want war. we need each other. let the nations remain as two. if any change it is up to the people. but now let us accept that we are one people.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            I look forward to your “Saturday Post”.
            .
            You know, there are times when problems are very complicated. Sometimes we look for solutions by digging deep. We go far and wide while the solution might be simple and on the surface.
            .
            I wonder if one name describes these people.
            Eritrea, Djibouti, Somaliland, Ethiopia and Somalia.
            .
            These people look alike, know each other, related to each other, similar languages and are primarily followers of the two main religions.
            .
            The ” Horn of Africa” is o.k to describe the land, but. (sorry the only name that comes to my mind at this time is “The KONJO people” )
            .
            What do you think is the common denominator of the people and what NAME would be, not only acceptable, but embraced by everyone in the group. Throw out several names if you can.
            .
            The past is the past. It was not good. Do we have to repeat living it? The future must be different, it must be cooperative to advance and lift everybody to the good.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH, KS,

            Don’t forget the Sudan too, but, min alefachuh, we are called Habeshat! However, for the sake of peace and sanity we can call ourselves New Eritrea! That way: We rule out Eritrean’s scream, the rest of them have “Red Sea” in common, and for us, Ethiopians, we get to reclaim the name Eritrea.

            Win-Win. Think about it.

          • Abi

            Fantasy
            Are you going to create ” New Eritrea ” every 25 years ?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            I must admit; what a brilliant question. I didn’t see it coming. Ciao.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            You guys are spoiling my fun, being all serious and all.. 🙁

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Eyob,
            Please encourage seriousness, don’t discourage it. Please keep your “fun” for the weekend. Two full days are not enough? 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Eyoba,
            Did you see what Abi did to me? serabign!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,

            በሳቅ ልሞት ነው ! እየሳቅን እናለቅሳለን እያለቅስንም እንስቃለን : ኣይ የኛ ነገር ! ኣረጋሽ ምን ኣለች “ውሽጡ ሕሩር”

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I’m glad you liked it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti,
            .
            I thought about it. Do you have another?
            .
            Amde’s first suggestion of “Ethiopians” even though true will clash with your “New Eritrea” and others. Both wont make it past the brain storming list.
            .
            However, Amde’s E1b1b has a potential to make it to the quarter finals. What did you think of it.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH,
            I don’t blame you. I will go with Amde’s suggestion. He sounds serious!

          • Amde

            KH

            That is easy. The name is “Ethiopians” 🙂

            It’s on all the old maps.

            If you want something slightly more poetic, here you go.
            Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_Ethiopia#Genetic_studies) says the most common Y Chromosome Haplogroup is the E1b1b (I don’t know what it means, but it sounds impressive enough)

            Quote
            “With respect to E1b1b,
            some studies have found that it exists at its highest level among the
            Oromo, where it represented 62.8% of the haplotypes, while it was found
            at 35.4% among the Amhara,[15]
            other studies however have found an almost equal representation of
            Haplogroup E1b1b at approximately 57% in both the Oromo and the Amhara.[18] The haplogroup (as its predecessor E1b1) is thought to have originated in Ethiopia or elsewhere in the Horn of Africa.” End Quote

            Since I feel like it, I choose to read E1b1b as Eibib… which to me is close enough to Abib or Abeba.
            flower in Amharic is Abeba
            flower in Somali is ubax
            flower in Oromiffa is abaaboo
            flower in Tigrinya is embaba

            We are the source of the Afro-Asiatic languages, who grandfathered the Semitic Aleph-Bet,
            which fathered the Greek Alfa-Beta, which birthed the ABCD alphabets of today.

            We are the Abeba (flower) people, with our capital in – where else – Addis Ababa (New Flower).

            What do you think?

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            I wish Crocos shows up at this moment. That guy is scary.

          • Amde

            Abi,

            For a second there I couldn’t figure out who you were referring to, but I think you mean Crocus. You are absolutely right – he has this stuff down.

          • Abi

            Amde
            Thanks for the correction. I blame it on kokobe.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            E1b1b sounds so good. It is modern. It is scientific. It is precise. Yes, it is even poetic. There is nothing like it in the world.
            .
            In a couple of decades when someone asks me where I am from, I am willing to say with a renewed vigor I am from E1b1b land. It has no baggage. It speaks of the unique people of the area. It has a potential to make it to the quarter final list. Let us see what else could be there in the minds of the E1b1b people.
            .
            Did you see what my friend Fanti’s name suggestion was?
            .
            K.H

          • Amde

            Selam KH,

            Ah, but my proposal is for us to pick up the name Abeba and somesuch variant – not the E1b1b itself – which was noted a valid scientific referential point. There are many benefits, Kim.

            First, unless Abkhazia absconds from Russia, (and even if that happens) this might put us as the first country on any list of countries.

            Imagine, as Abebans, we have a ready made capital named after us – the people and the land.

            The current Ethiopian flag is almost there as a proper flag – all it needs is to have a blue Abeba/Flower in the center, and that will bring in our Somali and Eritrean brethren. Just visit the website of Nech-Sar National Park (close to Arba Minch), and look at the sheer beauty and variety of blue flowers pictures. A flower as a center to the flag, as opposed to a Cross, a Crescent, Hammer/Sickle, Sword/Shield or a Lion, is a symbol of our rootedness to the land, foregoing enigmatic pretensions to celestial connection, ideological certitude, deathdealing/deathdefying or anthropomorphized felinity. A blue flower, itself rooted as a testimony of the bounty of the earth, can also represent our connection to sky or to sea.

            We have already put the name Abebe – a verb derived from the name of our country – in global prominence. Thrice in the olympics. And at least once with a former Prime Minister calling in as Abebe on an international media program.

            Plus, the world is going all organic now – what can be more organic than a flower?

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            Oh! you are good. I was almost ready to sign. However, the reason I liked E1b1b was its antiseptic nature. It didn’t come from any group or promoted any part of the group. It addressed directly all the people of the area at their core of who they are. It is a scientific reality that can be sold.
            .
            I am looking at what individual “Amdes” sitting in Djibouti and Mogadishu would whole heartedly embrace without any suspicion. I think they would be buyers of E1b1b meto bemeto. Abeba or flag as proposed might be 100% in Ethiopia and 0% in Somalia, that was my take.
            .
            K.H

          • dawit

            Selamat KH and KS

            Talking about naming, I have a good friend whose name is Hannah a name that sounds the same if you can write it backward or forward. When the Italian colonizers were looking for a name for their colony, one of their choice was “New Ethiopia”, but finally they settled for “Eritrea”. If the colonizers were settled with their first choice, then today we would have called ‘Ethiopians’, hyphenated, with new and old. Had the Italian were successful colonizing the whole horn of Africa, they could also called their new second Roman Empire in Africa “Eritrea” and we all be calling ‘Eritreans’.

            When Tanganyika and Zanzibar formed their federation, they coined a new name called Tanzania, representing the names of the two nation, so both lost their individual identities but gained a new national identity called Tanzania. Contrary to that when Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia, Eritrea lost its national identity while Ethiopia retained its original identity. Perhaps if Ethiopians and Eritreans were smart like the Tanzanians and coined a new name say Eritopia for the new federated country, that could have put less tension between the two nations. Now in search of a new name for the united horn of Africa, I suggest, Eritsomaltopia, where everyone lose a bit of its original old name but together gain a new name representing all nationalities in the region.

            The name of the modern state Pakistan was coined in 1933 of five nationalities of the former Anglo-Indian Empire, when it split into two countries based on religious division of Hinduism and Islam.
            A quote Wikipedia reference:
            “It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[25] using it as an acronym (“thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN”) referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan”.[26][27][28] The letter i was incorporated to ease pronunciation and form the linguistically correct and meaningful name.”

            Why cant we drop the old names Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia and create a new nation with a new name if that new name reduce tensions in the region and help the region to unite and lead the region to peace and development instead endless killings and destruction.
            Just an idea.
            DS

          • Amde

            dawit,

            Are you proposing a re-unification, just under a new name? And complete and include General Aman Andom’s conquest of Somalia to boot?

            I think you are smart enough to know the name is not the issue.

          • dawit

            Amde,
            Not a “re-unification” because there was no ‘unity’ in the past. There were only conquest of Eritrea or Somalia. This is a fresh start from scratch for unity. Yes Name has something to do with their nationalistic feelings, otherwise the people in our region are all poor, breathing same air, same sunshine and sharing same rainfall and drought across the borderlines, with common denominator of Poverty. It seems you like the sound ‘b’, in few of the languages you quoted does that mean the close to 100 languages in the region have ‘b’ for flower? If not how is ‘b’ to represent their national identities? Liberation front opposing the.’b’s? Personally I prefer Kombolcha or Kobo or Kelafo for capital city.

          • Amde

            dawit,

            So to rephrase. You are Ok with Mergers. You are not OK with acquisitions. We are only talking about the brand name of the post M&A entity.

            As a former Addis Abeban, I was hoping I could count on you as voting for the new country’s name to be AbebaBiya, and the people called Abebans. I am disappointed. Very disappointed you would choose Qelafo over Shegger. Does Qelafo even have blue flowers?

            To be honest with you, this whole “…there was no ‘unity’ in the past. There were only conquest of Eritrea …” is disingenuous nonsense and false. We are talking about political unity here, among political units, executed in some method that gains force of law recognized by outsiders, and acquiesced to by the people inside. Peoples’ “unity” is a rather mysterious thing – basically an aggregation of what people find is similar among themselves – from their faith, to how they make their living, to how they share their space to how they suffer/tolerate their rulers.

            If you are talking about political unity among political units however, the political union of the Eritrean political entity to the political entity called Ethiopia had no conquest in it. If you think about it, who among the Ethiopian people today were ever provided the option of being Ethiopians other than Eritreans? Did the UN run a referendum or an assessment of popular will in the other political units of Gonder? Shewa? Tigray? Wollo? Keffa? Gojjam? And I am only mentioning these because these were the units that still had their own traditional power structures and hereditary kings/rulers. The fact is they can each talk about conquest, specific military campaigns resulting in their political union to the Neguse Negest. The people’s wish had nothing to do with it – irrespective of whichever way their sentiments may lie. I am not saying it is right or wrong – but that is in essence the process how most other countries (sorry – political entities) grew. Eritrea, however, was not conquered by Ethiopia, and secondly the people’s will was enquired and assessed.

            Amde

          • dawit

            Amde,

            If I am not color blind I thought the natural flower of Addis ‘Shegger’ was Adey Abeba, with bright yellow color and not blue. Frankly speaking Addis lost its charm, I don’t distinguish it from Shanghai or Hong Kong it is trying to be another concrete jungle in Africa. I don’t feel at home when I visit Addis any more, that is why I like Qelafo or Kombolcha, a native names, than a name imposed by the Neftegnas conquerors Abeba, Abebu, Abebech or the its new Gurage name of Shegger for a capital city of the region..

            You are absolutely right, there was no political unity between the people, but the Conqueror Lion of Judahs was victorious on the UN battle ground against colonialism after WWII, and he was able to derail the people quest for independence, and forced marriage by ‘Zerefa’ without the consent of the bride . If he was smart and not greedy at that time of Eritrean people straggle he should have supported the independence of Eritrean people wish for independent country. He did the same to Somalia and he failed he sent General Aman Andom to conquer it by force. If he had supported the independence of Eritrea and Somalia, today his title would have been ‘The Liberator’ and Ethiopia’s respect would have been skyrocketed as the Liberation Capital than the fake ‘African Unity”. Who knows by now we could have a peaceful union of the horn of African nations, and become a true example of independence and unity to the rest of Africa.

            I don’t know how many foreign spy offices are erected in Addis working to derail the unity of Africans preparing them for the second recolonization of the continent starting in Ethiopia. I am not sure if the present infrastructure rail roads, farms established in the country with the Alamudi’s Real-estate agencies is truly designed to help the natives economic welfare or if it is another fake idea of ‘Civilizing Africa’ while exporting its natural resources and cheap labor. Time will reveal it soon!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam dawit,
            .
            I was thinking along the same line of this evolutionary movement. The name has to be embraced by all the participatory nations and sold to self and the world with vigor. Thanks for your response and the examples you brought to Awatistas.
            .
            K.H

          • Mahmud Saleh

            dawitom
            If Nitrickay is given the interior post, and abi for agriculture (dabo Dept), i’m for it.

          • dawit

            Mahmuday,
            Is it not the responsibility of the PM to name his Cabinet? If you are accepting nominations for other posts, I suggest Cousin Saay for Foreign Minister and Cousin Semere A. for an Ambassador to Manchuria

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hi dawitom
            Well, by the powers vested in me, I announce a couple of more appointments:
            1. The great Ted: Milk minister, with special focus on the 90 M cows.
            2. Gual Adem desensitizing and de-incentivizing Minister. Att: Eritreans
            3. The great SGJ: weeding and cleaning minister: special attention: the opposition
            supplies of herbicides ready; User manual: ቀያሕ መጽሓፍ; Semere will tell you about it.

          • dawit

            Your Excellency,
            If you still accepting nomination, I suggest Amanuel Hirat, a Minister without portfolios in the PM office. Nowadays it is good practice to stretch its hand to the opposition party and appoint some one. That way your government can claim that you are not PM of those who voted for you but to all people of the country. I suggest you appoint Isaias Afworki Minister of cleaning and Sanitation.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Dawit
            I have only open position for IA. Resignation. We can have him practice his carpentry in NaKura (Iheard he has already prepared a villa over there, it was on the web) provided that he writes a tell – it – all book entitled “yeQreta hzbi Ertra. ”

          • dawit

            Selam Your Excellency,
            I don’t think it is a good idea putting IA in charge of Carpentry Department at Nakura where he could build AK 47 and lead another revolution against your government. I think the janitorial position with a broom and a pail with close supervision is better for your government and the country. It is not wise decision to arm IA with screw drivers or catcha vite’ to screw or unscrew you government. Mind you he still has a wide support among the kebero junkies, Nisu-Nihna crowed.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan ዳዊት መትከኽ
            You brought a convincing argument against sending him out to do his carpentry. Sure, there is that danger. If he could write his name on the wall with a spray of bullets, there is good chance that he could also surf his way out of the Dahlak to the mainland barefoot. So!!?? Hmmmmmmmmmm
            How about….? You know, no wonder one senior colleague of him grumbled decades ago that ኩሉ ወዮ እዩ። እንተመሪሑ ወዮ፡ እንተተመሪሑ ወዮ። So what? I think I will wait for the advice of FM and counsel of the office of the PM, ato SAAY, who is currently busy with hagerawi gudaay.

          • saay7

            His Excellency, Mahmuday:

            I am actually in “ah-gurawi”, “zobawi” and not “Zebetawi” gudayat researching the Weyanistas who are getting the “be’kbr tesenabetu” treatment. If you want Cousin Dawit to lose his sense of humor, if you want Dr. Jackyl to switch to Mr. Hyde, just quote what wikileaks says about Issu’s woodworking:

            “Getachew remarked that one of Isaias’ bodyguards was in Dubai and then defected to Ethiopia. The bodyguard remarked that Isaias was a recluse who spent his days painting and tinkering with gadgets and carpentry work. Isaias appeared to make decisions in isolation with no discussion with his advisors. It was difficult to tell how Isaias would react each day and his moods changed constantly.”

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/210732

            So your plan is sound:)

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Mahmuday,
            I have an idea for you: how about assigning him to a position of Gardner at the cemetery. Let him remember all those he betrayed. I don’t expect any plant to grow under his poisoned thumb, but it is a job.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Saleh
            Problem: non of those victims have had the privilege to be buried in a cemetery. No burial ceremony. I think the decision is pending after SAAY finishes counts of the ብክብሪ ተሰናቢቶም። Abay Tsehaye is the biggest fish, I think. He was initially aligned with Gebru and Siye faction. May be that split was working its way until after PMMZ. That man (pmmz) was a balancing agent, inside TPLF and in the federal government. Abaay Woldu and PMHD are still walking under his shadow. They will enjoy this term under that influence. We will see how they do 5 years from now. But I will tell you, they made PFDJ look like an outcast. At least they are doing regular “gemgema” and conferences, sending off unwanted members in a nice way. GO HARBEGNA WAYANAY!!

          • dawit

            Hi Saleh,
            I thought Gardening and Weeding was your department, Are you sure you want him to be in charge of ‘Weeding’?

          • dawit

            Your Excellency,
            Until you make the decision what about giving a ceremonial position of ‘Kbur President’. He seems he has a good experience attending public Funerals, receiving credentials of foreign ambassadors etc, something that does not need fixing with screw drivers.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ato dawit

            He’s a smart carpenter. He drove out and underground or competing carpenters. So, the Tigrignas say ኣብ ዓዲ ዕዉራት ሓደ ዓይኑ ይነግስ። ሃገር ብሃገራ ኣዕዊሩ እኖሃልካ (There you see), 15 years later we all sing change, but act in ways that make achieving change difficult. Is that why you say znege ngusna?

            You might have listened to this. Just listen to it and I hope you understand why I believe this carpenter is one of the world’s worst abusers. The interviewee is ex-national service member who happened to be among the few Eritreans who saw the detention and the treatment of politicians and journalists. SEE what’s wrong with our conscience. HTG counted how many silent responses?

            http://www.tubechop.com/chop/VOT91d5zgSg

          • Dear dawit,
            Do you believe that Ethiopians would trade the historic name of Ethiopia for any other name? That is out of the question. Eritrea is a name that is around only over the last 100+ years. In addition, no name change can bring peace, as long as there are people who stand for hegemonic dreams over the region; dreams that are beyond their capacity to achieve them, hate and have ill-wish (chaos and fragmentation) for the other.
            The search for peace is not as complicated as you try to present. A small country like Eritrea should have known her strength and should have been a peace-stronghold in the region and not a pariah state standing with regional and international powers of anomaly.
            Reunion is no more an issue for most Ethiopians. Just be a normal state and the whole world will be satisfied. Do you doubt that there are Eritreans who would put up with a divided Eritrea than see a reunited Eritrea with Ethiopia? Among the many reasons, one of them is that they are afraid that Eritrea will be swallowed by bigger Ethiopia, and she will end up as an insignificant province of Ethiopia. You see it is a very complicated issue.
            The future belongs to those who develop their economy, educate their people, work hard and not only boast about it, bring harmony between their people and try to live in peace with their neighbors and beyond. This generation of Ethiopians and Eritreans are better kept apart, and we should leave to time to heal and abolish all the anomalies between them. Why any fuss about reunification, when Ethiopians do not care about it and Eritreans abhor it. The romanticizes of Ethio-Eritrean reunion, among whom I think I am one of them, should make a reality check and wait until sane minds come to the region.

          • dawit

            Dear Horizon,
            There has never been a union in the Habesha land, it was all conquest of one group over another. The old name ‘Ethiopia’ was worn by present people of Sudan and Eritrea and Yemen before it was handed down to the present generation who called themselves ‘Ethiopians’. Eritreans are “The First Ethiopians”. There is nothing wrong to throw away old clothes and buy a fresh new one if you can afford it. Now you are trying to recycle that bankrupt idea of denying the existent of Eritrean people for a century. Mind you the name Eritrea, is as old as the name ‘Ethiopia’ if not older. Remember the Biblical name of the Red Sea was ‘Bahre Ertra’ and the land was ruled by ‘Bhre Negasi’. If the English translated it and renamed ‘Red Sea’, the Italian simply reversed it. How long do you want to wait to unify the people of the region? 3000 years?

          • Dear dawit,
            As long as Eritreans are “the first Ethiopians”, I for one will be happy to see you use the name, Ethiopia. Nobody said that the
            region was not settled, but they were not called Eritreans before the late 19th century.
            Both Ethiopia and Eritrea are names coined by ancient Greeks. The first was given to an area south of the then known Egypt, as far south as the sources of the Nile, and up to today’s Somalia, Chad and beyond. Ethiopia deservedly acquired the
            name, because many of her history coincide with biblical Ethiopia as well. The Red Sea and not the land or the people on both sides were called Eritrea. Italians simply used the ancient Greek name of the sea and called that part “Eritrea”.
            Theoretically speaking, any country that boarders the Red Sea could have the name “Eritrea”. The name when applied for the first time had no historic connotation, but geographic.
            For people to unite, there should be a genuine desire to unite, and not only lip service.

          • dawit

            Dera Horizon,
            Both names have historic connotation based on ancient Greeks, one referring to land and the other to the sea. Based on your logic every country in Africa would call itself Ethiopia. Both Ethiopia were created as countries main Habeshaland called Abyssinia. What the Italian took became Eritrea and what was not taken became Ethiopia. Menelik II created the present ‘Ethiopia’, by conquest of the Galla land, Kafa and Welega, Wolita, Sidama etc. weak kingdoms. Based on that Eritrea is much older as a nation than the present ‘Ethiopia’.

          • saay7

            Cousin Dawit:

            Here’s 16th century Ethiopia. By this logic, every African country south of Egypt that denies its Ethiopianness is an artificial country running away from itself.

            https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_Ethiopia#/media/File:Ethiopia_1650,_Joan_Blaeu_(4256726-recto).jpg

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon, thank you Horizon.
            people are in trouble as you can see. they don’t still accept we can create love and peace while accepting differences. swallowing others is not love and will never be love. it is like an animal eating his delicious meal and says I love it. love is accepting everybody as he is and allowing to live in peace. let the flags be there. let the men lead their nations – lead by their representatives.that is even division of work, not less and not more. at last the well planed corporation between those nations give wonderful result better than calling one name and monopolizing.simple!

            hey, we are in appointment to read one poem from me for Abi on Saturday.

          • Ted

            Hi, Abi, RESPECT!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,

            Monalisaye neshi kalalun lansmama naw inde?

            They call us federation violators, we say no.
            They call us colonizers, we say no.
            They call us invaders, we say no.
            Finally, they call us brothers, we say no.

            tew inji.

          • Abi

            Fantish
            Monalizaye nesh is a good song by a great singer. I like ” ene bebekule ewedish nebere” better.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,

            እና የሱ ነገር – ፍቅርን በበትር እየፍለገ ኮ ነው ነገር ያመጣ ::ፍቅርን መስጠትና መቀብል ኣለመቻል ያመጣው ጣጣ :Lol.

          • saay7

            Abi….

            You forgot the second half of the verse “ene bebekule ewedish nebere.” “Adera yalkush Qal…..”??
            Don’t break promises, don’t break your word. Then people can trust you.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            Good one! Let’s continue singing.
            “Yalhonkut yelegnin ene banchi fiqir….”

          • saay7

            Abi:

            Qalsh ayleweT ebaksh ney…

            Don’t try to get me to listen to Ethiopia’s Patti Labelle. Tricky dude.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            “Fiqre yene silehonsh aderashin…”
            Keep singing. You want to change song?
            “Lesus eko aydelem anchin yaswededegn…”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear FG,
            ኣይገርምም ! ምን ብንል ይሻላል?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dr. KS,
            teAxifka motye tezergiHka motye
            naAnay berekha nHade Ametye!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Fanti,

            your post was for me but the eagle and deer jump and have chosen Amharic songs. so sorry for delay here is my version. just new music (hot one)

            ባርካስ ርኢናዮ ደንከል ርኢናዮ :-
            ካብ መንግስቱ ኣሕዲግና ንኤስያ ሂብናዮ :-
            መሬት ነጻ ኣውጺእና ህዝቢ ረሲዕናዮ :-
            ዳግም ከም ንቃለስ መዓስ ገሚትናዮ ::

          • Mizaan1

            KS, you hit it right on the nail. We have two nations – that are man made but we are one people – God made or by nature whatever your flavor is for those things. All the talk about PFDJ, IA, Weyane, EPRDF, Melles, Abay Woldu, EPLF, ELF…it all boils and spirals down to identity. Right now we are below ground level. Once we all acknowledge that we have identities that overlap both nations and that they should be free to re-unite should they so seek, we will come with good solutions very quickly.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Haile Kibur em Kiburan,

        Come on. Don’t spoil my fun…

        I love seeing PFDJ types going crazy on such trivial issues.. It’s good fun, man. Laugh about it….

        By the way, if you see the awarding ceremony, this young man Ghirmay has shown such maturity and display of brotherhood with Yemane Tsegay of Ethiopia was very impressive, unlike the Tesfanews nuts…

      • saay7

        Hailat:

        Let’s revisit Isaiasism 101: “If it happens once, it’s a conspiracy; if it happens twice, it is a declaration of war that must be resolutely rebuffed.”

        So, it wasn’t just that CCTV got the citizenship of Ghirmay Ghebreselassie wrong. But the IAAF also got the citizenship of runner Nazret Woldu wrong, too. (I blame Eyob.) My favorite part of the whole thing is that TN calls on IAAF reporter to correct it (based on nothing but their word), and the reporter says, “when I receive a copy of HIS (sic) passport…” and TN gently (wink) tells him of their “concern” that if he persists, “…you will be held accountable…” and he would hear it from “Eritreans all over the world.” That is, we will troll ya.

        Not unrelated to this was an article in Mail & Guardian entitled “Eritrea unleashes its troll patrol.” These are the ones who write that whoever is the designated “Enemy of the State”– Daniel Mekonnen, Selam Kidane, Elsa Chyrum, Meron Stifanos–will first be the subject of the politics of personal destruction (re-writing their bio so that they are always born of Derg functionaries, photoshopping their pics) and then writing that they “must be hunted down and brought to justice!” This message is then retweeted and favorited by all “patriotic” Eritreans. This is enough for some law enforcement agencies to treat it as a death threat and to put people like Daniel Mekonnen–and the CoIE–under their protection. It goes without saying that the Awate Team (and particularly SGJ) went through threats since the the early 2000s but what makes things worse now is social media.

        Unfortunately, this is a universal phenomenon– notice how the AP reporter was treated recently for accurately reporting the side-deals that the Obama administration had made with Iran to get the deal. Instead of challenging the merits of his report, the Obamabots went on a campaign to destroy a reporter with a sterling record.

        saay

        • Eyob Medhane

          Sal,

          Here is the point.. (The bottom line) Every where you go, what ever you do, the name “Ethiopia” and the association with that name follows you… You can’t wash it off, you can’t shake it off. It’s there. You can do nothing about it. 🙂 It always be there, and tesfanews keeps going “bananas” about it till ‘yetyelele’ (infinity). Or just change the names of the entire people in the nation. Use names, like Marco Jusepe or Richard Boniface, Mike Cohn, Jeffery Cash… (These are good names. They are far far far away from Gebreselassie, Tadesse, Woldu Yemane, Teklehaymanot, Tesfay….) That way you MAY minimize the association with us. I am just offering advice, because I “care” for Tesfanews people, so they wouldn’t suffer from high blood pressure and heart attacks everyone such things happen… 🙂 (Sorry, I am still having fun with this).. 🙂

          P.S I expect Soon the Eritrean “Parliament” coming up with a legislation that would ban all Habesha names for the new born babies and adults with Habesha names to change their names at once to if possible European names.. 🙂

          • Semere Andom

            Eyobay:
            sorry to interject beween you and your friend Sal, but about the names, I think you are off.
            Salvatore, Jiovanni, Caremella would be more appr.:-)

          • saay7

            Hi Eyob:

            Ah, you are trying to make us look/sound strange but getting irate when your countries/cities are confused is a global phenomenon. Actually, if you do that with Asians–confuse which country they are from– you will be accused of being a racist. If you are at a pub in Europe and confuse Bucharest with Budapest, Ireland with England, you will be beaten up. And don’t go to Memphis, Tennessee and tell the good ol’ boys how much you love the people in Memphis, Egypt:) So TN and Isaiasists go overboard, but the reaction is natural. I only go nuts when newspapers write “Ethiopia granted Eritrea its independence.”

            Message: we are normal people who react normally: don’t make us out to be weirdos:) Otherwise, we won’t be very understanding when you get mad after a future Ferenj gives us credit for defeating our enemies (Italians, Egyptians) in Gurae, Eritrea and Dogali, Eritrea:) Because, of course, that’s exactly what happened:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Actually, you have a legitimate right to claim that you have defeated your enemies (Italians, Egyptians) in Gurae and Dogali. Alula Aba Nega did not fly his soldiers from Shewa and Jimma using Ethiopian Airlines to fight Italians and Egyptians. He certainly has recruited probably majority of his soldiers from the area that he governed that is today’s highland Eritrea. So, if you claim that victory, honestly, I am all for it. What is actually a shame is that you are not claiming it and instead you burry it, because again, the name Ethiopia is associated with it…

          • saay7

            Duh, Eyob:

            You miss my point. My point is that it will be a historical to say the battles were “Eritrea vs Italy” or “Eritrea vs Egypt.” Just like it is ahistorical to say Ghirmay and Nazret are Ethiopian.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyob,
            count me among those who claim it. in fact so proud I even claim the entire history of Habesha belongs to both nations. Now, you and me should agree that there is a nation called Eritrea today.

          • dawit

            Eyob, And some times you are confused with Kenyan, if you win the Boston Marathon.

      • dawit

        HTG,
        Or the ancestors of Haile and Ghirmay belong to the Simetiru Hamasiens, the liberation Askari soldiers from Eritrea who settled at Arusi Ethiopia.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Eyoba,
      Better yet, they ended up calling him “Haile Gebrselassie Girmay” all together. (2:50+), and that video is headlined “Eritrean Haile Gerbrselassie Ghirmay tours Beijing City.”
      This chain reaction will continue until at least the next marathon.

      Now, dawit can enjoy this blunder in the double!

      • Eyob Medhane

        Fanti,

        Oh my God!!!!

        I did not notice that… Thank you so much..you have added another fun for me…And no, it will not be corrected, by the next marathon, because the next Eritrean marathon winner also will have some Habesha name that will be similar with another Ethiopian marathon runner and the cycle continues…l 🙂

        • dawit

          Eyob,
          So they admitted the true origin of Haile as an Eritrean? What is the confusion on Habeshaland making both marathon runners, Hailecha and Girma as Eritreans? What a confusion?

  • AMAN

    I.
    As it is both (the ruling and opposition) parties
    and not only one party that is betrayed by HSI’s
    unilateral action of abolishing the constitutional
    Federal government ;
    II.
    And as a result of transformation of the political
    struggle and entering a new phase of Armed struggle
    as a result of no political space for democratic political
    struggle;
    GHEDLI is born and grew up as a consortium of many
    or varied views and a coalition of many varied political
    forces.
    But as an Armed opposition force it is obvious that it will
    be taken and influenced by combatants or similar backgrounds
    than by articulate politicians in its developmental phase. It takes
    time for any armed insurrection to articulate its political goals by
    navigating thru the complex influencing politics of the world and
    the region it finds itself poses on its existence and development
    or growth. And surely it takes time to find and give room for those
    politicians and for their work to shine the Ghedli and show itself off.
    Thus it is presumed that as the Ghedli was a continuation of the
    previous political struggles for leadership but in a new setting;
    It will surely have multiple or varying views and objectives vis a vis
    the ongoing Ghedli. To mention some few of the major views :
    1.For some forces it is the restoration of the sanctity and constitutional
    order of the Federal government.
    2. For some forces it is total separation and has nothing to do with it
    keeping and endorsing the colonial administration’s policy line.
    3.For still some other forces it is to Liberate the whole of Ethiopia and
    not only be limited and cornered in Eritrea.
    And some other minor views.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello Awatistats

    I was really mesmerized by the speed, tenacity and accuracy our great, yes, the great Haile Hayal, had to engage with three dudes on questions most Eritreans have concluded 24 years ago. I encourage those who have missed the thread to read HaileTG exchanges, related topics: Eritrean history, ghedli…Kiros Asfaha (https://disqus.com/by/hailetg/).
    Yesterday Aman Hidrat raised an issue that is related to how PFDJ diffuses real engagements that Eritreans do in order to form a functioning union or alliance. I believe, equally important is the damage that’s being caused by individuals riding the opposition wave but happen to be contributing net-negative to the opposition by denigrating what’s core to Eritrean identity and mixing unrelated issues. At a glance, they seem to be naïve and disillusioned who have found their voice in the name of Yosief G/hiwet. However, the shallowness and naivety they display betrays their critical engagement in other areas. So, these folks are well educated, and could venture outside the box the so-called greatest philosopher has prepared for them. They have the mental capacity to crosscheck their mentor’s ideas with other sources, to test it against the traces and landscapes history has left behind. They certainly have read exchanges that have been going on in this very forum. The exchanges on Ghedli and Eritreanism have gotten to the point of saturation and overflowing. My comment is not to discourage my dear awatistas from airing their views (I have defended Mizzan’s right to air his view, and similar act was also extended to another awatista). However, it just baffles me when the same unjustified, unproductive and damaging attacks come again and again when the majority of awatistas have made it clear that they are not here to indulge in these sorts of baseless revisionism. It seems to me that they are hurting the debates by derailing them to unproductive areas hence consuming time and energy of potential contributors, and also by sending depressing signals to the public likening the forum as anti-Eritrea. I believe we gain more by observing discipline on what we say. While I honor the right of those forumers to air their views the way they want put them, I urge them to exercise restraint from bringing ideas that just won’t give additional value to the debate in progress, and particularly, those ideas which carry potentially damaging effects of the processes and efforts made to empowering Eritreans to be seized by timely and serious issues bearing the fate of their nation.
    Regarding HaileTG: I was humbled by the way he separated things, put every thing in its place. ንጉዳያትን ዘረባን መቸም ስልዕ-ስልዕ፡ ውግን-ውግን፡ እድቅቕ-እድቕቕ። ንየማን ሰሊዑ ንጸጋም።
    Great debate. You never lost your bearing. That’s the right way. Let professional historian deal with history. Now, is the time to meet the call of our time; it’s time to making history. The complaints and the whining of the past will not solve today’s challenges. Yesterday’s generation faced history the way it was arrayed against it. Kiros is calling all of us to be serious. He wondered why we have not done better despite the conducive situation which is demonstrated by how prevailing abuses and mal-governance are in our nation. Let’s all be serious.

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Mahmud Saleh, if there is a general consensus and also a judgment by the owners of this website that my writing in any way hampers or derails the debates, I will gladly refrain from discussing any issues that relate to ghedli and EPLF and I will focus on PFDJ. But it will be awfully difficult to differentiate between ghedli, EPLF, IA, and PFDJ.

      P.S. I couldn’t agree more with your description of HTG’s coolness and ‘let’s look at the big picture’ style of debating.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Mizzan
        I have views that most people will find to be off the main task at hand. I keep them to myself until such time when they become priority. That’s all I’m asking. Let’s focus on the task at hand. History is not forgiving. It will deal with those issues you are so preoccupied with. We will have time to see if YG will be vindicated. As I see it, though, his ideas have created pessimistic followers. To my knowledge revolutions don’t solve all social and political ills, but they set in motion new reality. Eventualities of the new reality will be as good as the degree at which the actors (affected people) are ready to maximize its good side. Ghedli did what it was designed to do. It’s naïve to think ghedli was a cake walk, or it was designed to be a a bastion of new ideas and ideals like a campus government. We need to shoulder the collective responsibility and work towards making Eritrea at peace with itself and its neighbors. We can do it faster dear Mizzan if we use our views judiciously. I would ask myself what’s best to the interest of the general direction. Look at me Mizzan, that’s why I have become careful with my criticism of the opposition. That’s it. Remember when I was rumbling?

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Mahmud Saleh,

      You said: “… on questions most Eritreans have concluded 24 years ago.”

      Is “most” the same as the size of the ‘Yes’ vote in the referendum? By the way, will the size of the ‘Yes’ vote increase or decrease if a referendum is to be held today? You see, in this Universe, nothing is ‘concluded’ for eternity.

      Personally, I believe that Ghedli has happened and it is a fact of life. However, I do not see any harm in discussing various aspects of Ghedli. On the contrary, this will enrich our knowledge and clarify our ideas of what we want for the future.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Music Novice,

        That is a good hypothetical question that would help us to clarify the issue of the ongoing discussion. Indeed, if referendum is to be held today, how would Eritreans be expected to vote? Assuming the question would remain the same (or at least be consistent with the first one in asking Eritreans if they wanted independence or not), can we at least predict which sections will vote yes and which would vote no?

        1 – The PFDJistas will vote Yes

        2 – Almost all the opposition organizations will vote yes (I say almost because we get new opposition every month or so:)

        3 – Most of the silent majority (saay go on have a laugh:) will say Yes

        4 – Most of the armed forces will say yes

        5 – May be some business oriented individuals who look at the issue from a pure economic integration to big markets might vote no

        6 – YG et.al may vote no

        Now, taking in the numbers and doing quick, back of the envelop calculations, the result might stay the same as the first one (the first result was 99.83% in favour, with a 98.5% registered voter turnout) or slightly higher by +0.02% to 99.85% in favour. Call mine the HTG opinion poll, now what does MN opinion poll look like:-)

        • saay7

          Hailat:

          MN’s challenge reminded me of the joke that was told by the National Service (NS) youth in the mid 2000s?

          ኣዝግነኒ!
          ብምንታይ?
          ብሳዋ::
          እንታይ ኣለካ በዓል ሳዋ?
          እዛ ረፈረንዱም ሕጂ ድገምዋ!

          My guess is that the results might be the same BUT many of those who are ELIGIBLE to vote wouldn’t bother to vote. This reminds me, when EPRDF talks about its “meto bemeto” election results, does it report what percentage of the eligible voters actually voted. Eyob?

          saay

          • haileTG

            Hey saay,

            If justice seekers in Addis Ababa are organizing to have wegah tbel leyti to remember the start of the armed struggle in Sep. 1, 1961 (and yes Addis Ababa is actually in Ethiopia:) in the next couple of weeks, what hope is there for YG to call for referendum and win it 🙂

            Cheers

        • Music Novice

          Greetings HaileTG,

          You are too Optimistic. There are a lot of Eritreans who might have second thoughts after the not so great experiences of the last 24 years. It is highly likely that a significant number might say: once bitten twice shy.

          You also have made some wrong assumptions.

          1) You ignored that there are many PFDJist floating voters who will abandon a sinking ship.
          2) The Opposition (what Opposition?) do not exist as they do not have a constituency or power base.
          3) The silent majority will also be inclined to abandon ship.
          4) The urban youth have already given their answer, voting with their feet.
          5) The regions are the power base in Eritrea and many of them have bitter experiences during the last 24 years.

          Let us assume that the PFDJ are still in power

          • haileTG

            Haha Music Novice, now you calli’n me optimistic 🙂 The logical problem I see is equating the opposition to PFDJ to opposing independence, not true:-)

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HaileTG,

            You are right, opposing PFDJ does not necessarily equate with opposing independence. But still, there is a non-zero percentage among this group that will also oppose independence.

            People evolve based on their experiences. They might surprise you by crossing some red lines previously considered a taboo and forbidden. Come to think of it, this is not impossible to do; after all, there is only one life and it is in this world. Why so much suffering?

      • Pass the salt

        Dear MN,
        If referendum was held today, which way would you have voted?

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Pass the salt,

          It seems that you have missed the point. We are discussing patterns of popular behaviour not individual preferences. Whatever I tell you about my choice will not reveal a pattern and increase your knowledge. Of course, it will generate gossip and heckling and creates momentary happiness.

          I suggest you carefully design a questionnaire, select a sample and conduct a survey.

          • Pass the salt

            Dear Hayat and Kokhob Selam and Mizzan1 and Semere Andom,
            If referendum was held today, which way would you have voted?
            Oops…I am in a big trouble. I can feel it. In my defense and as you can see, Music Novice asked me to do so.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Pass the salt,

            But this is a small sample size and worse, it is not a random sample.

          • Pass the salt

            Dear MN,
            On my random list, I put some of the sharpest minds in this forum, who can elaborate their views well. You should be happy with the list, or else give me a list.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Pass the salt,

            Your list is composed of intentionally selected individuals, therefore it is not random; it is a small and furthermore a biased sample.

          • Mizaan1

            Hi PTS. Is that a trick question? Nonetheless, if referendum was to be done today, I would like to see more choices than a mere yes or no for independence. Like a plan for reunification in a specified time period, national language, autonomy for any identity group to choose their own fate at any point in time, and so on.

    • ghezaehagos

      Selam Haw Mahmud Saleh,
      In short: Ghedli delina/ Ghedli xeliena.

      “I don’t actually think Ghedli is the start of Eritrean social fabric, just a proud history in a long century long ordeals…Eritrea is bigger than Ghedli….When Eritrea’s better days come…” Haw Haile.

      “Let professional historian deal with history. Now, is the time to meet the call of our time; it’s time to making history.

      ..” Mahmud Saleh.
      Wise takes that would stop incessant and unwise attacks not only against part of our history but even our current struggle. If one even fails to deliberate on Ghedli, at least for purely strategic reasons one would be persuaded to consider it since the current one against tyranny is extension of it.
      One of the greatest drawbacks in the D-Fithi camp is implacable narrative the lot of us make against Ghedli. When your enemy is busy portraying you as unpatriotic and xere-ghedli, it is very foolish to help him out. This insidious malady probably remains a serious issue affecting us. Recently this summer, in the city I live we had a serious of events, May 24 and June 20 and it is really sad to learn a lot of people were pleasantly surprised that we honor these events. It is really shocking to see how much people have been deceived by Isais propaganda. It is all a learning experience.
      We want to struggle but we hate our own struggle. The legacy of Ghedli is there to stay; like ‘kinana’ at our back. It will limp with us wherever we go. We can only make peace with it. The trauma and betrayal is too deep. Let alone us mortals, even higher beings may not have expected the betrayal we Eritreans suffered under the cruellest person in the world, Isaias Afewerki.
      Ghedli delina/ Ghedli xelieena could be the way to sum up my generation’s current predicament.
      All the best
      Ghezae Hagos

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dearest Ghezae,

        ” The legacy of ghedli is there to stay like kinana at our back”. Very true brother. The pseudo – historian and diversionist are not letting us to move forward to meet the current challenge.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • Bayan Nagash

        Kbur Ghezae, Haile TG, Ustaz Mahmud, & Amanom,

        The prominent hole on the wall has been the inability of the opposition to own what’s sacred while at the same time despising the profane in srAt PFDJ. We have been good at attacking the bankrupted notion of the regime but seldom concerned about what’s sacred that made Eritrea a nation, such as what you have been able to observe in how people were surprised that you do give June 20th its space in memorializing the Eritrean martyrs. That you do celebrate May 24th in your own unique ways. The problem has been that because we have not been seen in public spaces and squares doing the recognition of these holidays, we left that gaping hole for the regime to appropriate and sell the narrative of the national story – We must take that back as well.

        My mantra continues to be precisely what you quoted above and what Aman just now interjected: That history belongs for historians to decipher; judging should be left for Eritrean people to do when the menace is removed from the helm. Eritrean people can decide what the best approach of reconciliation was going to be moving forward when peace and tranquility begin to descend in the nation. What needs to happen today and what must be done tomorrow is left to all the people who are in the opposition camp irrespective of their past positions and irrespective of some derisively shady positions or actions they may have been party to.

        My job is to be vehemently assertive on what ought to be done today and what must be done tomorrow and what should be done decades onward. I will only use the past if it is going to serve my goal and objectives of the future. Otherwise, I will give it no fleeting space to occupy my thoughts, for it will only serve to slow my goals down and I cannot afford that, especially when I see the extinction of Eritrean people is in the offing if I don’t focus in fighting that what good is it having a country with no people to inhabit it – The hollowing out of the young is a good indication a nation is on the path to the abyss.

      • Mizaan1

        Hi Ghezae. I agree with you to some extent but not entirely on this post. Eritrea, as we know it today, came to existence as an independent nation (not liberated but independent) because of ghedli. The problem we have is not disowning ghedli or denying it existed. We all own ghedli, everyone of us. Every family has been affected and thus it is our own history. That is not being questioned by anyone I know. The issue I, personally, have is the continuation of ghedli post independence. That needs to come to an end in every Eritreans psyche. To give you how deeply this thing is ingrained in our minds, just yesterday, I met with two Eritreans. A devout Christian woman (pente) and another man who was a jebha tegadalay. We noted how extremely passionate the woman was talking about her beliefs. The man interjected and told her that that is how he and his comrades were in ghedli, just complete belief in the cause and total dedication to it. In my head, I was going ‘entay amtse’o.’ It is not the legacy of ghedli, it is the romanticization that is the problem and when you said we wanted ghedli (ghedli delina), I am curious who the ‘we’ are.

        Something needs to be reconciled. I hate to tell you this but by going the extra mile to show people that you actually do celebrate May 24th and June 20th, you got into a fight you will not win. The one thing I agreed on with Mr. Sahel Johar was when he said people need to celebrate May 24th (and by extension perhaps all other national holidays) the way it fits their specific customs and needs. Doing it like PFDJ is joining them in destroying our beautiful culture and introducing alien things to it. Ghezae, your fight should be undoing the brainwashing of our people – which is that Eritrea is the best and biggest country in the world, we look better than all Africans, we are a threat to the West because we are setting a bad example (self reliance), Weyane and the USA are our ultimate enemies and threat to our existence. Without freeing our people from these debilitating and largely unfounded beliefs, we will not step an inch.

        • ghezaehagos

          Haw Mizan,

          Kemey Kenika… I will try to briefly touch some of the points you made.

          1. ” Eritrea, as we know it today, came to existence as an independent nation (not liberated but independent) because of ghedli…I think this is continuation of ‘naxnet’ or ‘harnet’? Is Eritrean free? This debate has been continued in D-Fethi, albeit unnecessarily. Do you think North Korea is liberated or just independent? Do you consider the countries who have totalitarian systems like ours liberated or not? You know where I am going with this. I await for your answer.

          2. “It is not the legacy of ghedli, it is the romanticization that is the problem and when you said we wanted ghedli (ghedli delina), I am curious who the ‘we’ are.” We denotes to a sizeable number in the D-Fethi, especially from the younger generation. We want to struggle against tyranny at the same time we tend to disown the previous Ghedli. We can’t make history by destroying our own history. The solution to this is touched upon by Haile. We Eritreans are bigger and much more powerful than the subset of our history, the Ghedli. We existed before and what is 30 years for people like us? We can do better and bigger history than that. This may sound bombastic and overly-optimistic.
          But dear Mizan: I assure if we can’t come to believe in our potential to do better than the Ghedli, we will always underperform and get haunted by the ghosts of Ghedli to paralysis and eternal bitterness to something that recedes to distant memory with every passing second.
          3. On national holidays. We have to honor them not to compete with PFDJ simply because they are ours; not Isaias. The true meaning of May 24th and more importantly June 20th squarely fall within the stated objectives of our struggle. They belong to us more than anyone…only if can see that.
          All the best,
          Ghezae

          • Mizaan1

            Selamat Ghezae,

            1. I think I already answered this question. Independence to me means free of any ‘foreign’ domination. Liberation is much wider. We are still in the shackles of tyranny and slavery in Eritrea. Very far from liberation. Independence is your own free administration. For example, I can make an argument that in the Eritrean sense, we were more liberated during the federation time but we were not independent. Now we are independent but not liberated (from domination, slavery, tyranny, repression, you name it).

            2. I may have misunderstood your first post on the ghedli delina/ghedli xelina. I thought you were referring to the ghedli for independence (1961-1991). On the other point you made there in reference to HTG’s great point, I agree Ghedli is a subset of our history but that is not the belief of the majority of Eritreans, maybe even in this forum. Most people think ghedli = the Eritrean people. If someone says ghedli = Eritrea, I can sympathize with that but the Eritrean people are not Eritrea itself. The Eritrean people were labeled Eritreans just a few decades ago but the people were habesha, kunama, nara, etc. before they knew anything about Eritrea. The beautiful cultures, religions, and customs of these peoples come first and nobody can take that away from them in the name of Eritrea much less Ghedli. That is where I get into bumps with almost every other Eritrean. My identity is not Eritrean, it is my citizenship. This is such a confusing thing for a lot of people. I will just stop on this one.

            3. You had implied that it felt good to prove to people that we are as Eritrean as the PFDJ because we do celebrate May 24th and June 20th. I have a martyred brother myself and I don’t need PFDJ to tell me to come to community to remember my brother and all my other Eritrean jeganu at a time and date and place that is convenient for them. They are in our hearts and minds every day. Independence day for PFDJ is just a money making machine. What Eritrean in his right mind goes dancing these days? We need to mourn our fate and our youth. May 24th should be a day of reflection as to what went wrong, not a guayla day.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ghezae, you put it in English the same thing i was saying in a long time. I have always said, as long as the opposition leave the matters that belongs to state on the government’s hand; any opposition, i mean any opposition is dead on arrival. just in past month, AT were up in arms because some forum participant told AT that he was speechless AT honored Daniel T-Kelehimanot for his classic achievement on tour de France. I interject and siding with forum participant. i was said back then what is the harm to congratulate to the Eritrean people on their independence day? what is the harm in displaying a lit candle to acknowledge June 20? the point i am trying to make is that if you can get few people to follow you; you have the right formula.
        while at it, don’t shay to mention anything you believe there is a good thing the government is doing. for my reading the situation the Eritrean people are sick to death with negativity and bad news. changed it up and change should come. it is absurd to me to demand change while refusing to change your self. when i say, your self, i meant the way the oppositions are doing things. they blame for refusing the government to change yet, they refuse to change themselves. my point is, i am very happy to see you getting it.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear ghezaehagos,

        you have developed Zero Gravity Pen – like that space pen…(nothing will pull you down – and no turn will stop you) keep being open minded. no fence to stop you and say what you think y is true. that is the sign of excellence.

    • haileTG

      Thank You ሓዋርያት ማሕሙዳይ:-) (haha..ኪሮሳይ ምስዚ ኹሉ ሽግሩ፡ ሓዋርያት ኢሉካ እንድዩ ከይዱ:-)

      I think your call for focus is the central message here, and I endorse that fully.

      Regards

      • Fnote Selam

        Haile and Mahmud,

        Although I understand your sentiment that the ghedli issue could be a distraction (at least the way it is discussed most of the time) from our main objective, i think it is not fair to say we should not raise it at all. If people have questions and issues to discuss re ghedli, appropriate time or not, there should never be any kind of limitation. Having said that, i got to say, many supporters of YG are sounding a lot like another version of ‘nisu nihna, nihna nisu’….

        Best regards,

        FS.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hello FS
          I’m notopposing the discussion of ghedli at all. We do it always in debates related to ELF/EPLF…and even each of them independently. I am among the first to admit ghedli was not perfect, and I have to confess, no ghedli (revolution) has ever met the GRAND aspirations of the generations who pay the ultimate price. None. But it sets the motion. Eritrean ghedli could be seen as an instrument to achieving the right of self-determination. It did that. Did we all do the right thing to protect its momentum? Did we keep the same level of preparedness that we had showed to gain independence in also transitioning our nation to a constitutional Eritrea? What would YG say if Eritrea kept its political momentum: if it made the transition to constitutionalism in 1997-98; if its border conflict was handled in a responsible way, following what a normal and an average government does which is discussing it with stakeholders and following international norms, basically, trying to avoid war…I believe the border would have long been concluded resulting in a more favorable conclusion….Eritrea would have had a vibrant economy, a vibrant civil society…a vibrant private press (imagine how, in its short stay, mature and good-quality the private press was…In short, by now Eritrea would have been registering a double digit growth (similar to next door)…Eritrea would have had hopeful young people, national service would have been a thing of pride (young people would have served their 18 months gladly, and because of the political arrangement that would be prevailing under the auspices of the constitution, all the abuses related to national service would not have happened or would have been solved and their effect minimized…resulting to less of our young people fleeing their country…etc. What would then YG say?
          Dear FnoteSelam, raising ghedli questions for the sake of drawing lessons so that we don’t repeat them is actually healthy. What the YG lots make is a simple but deliberately done mixing of cause-effect and correlation. “Because ghedli did what ghdeli does, therefore, we rae where we are.” Now we agree, revolutions are loaded with ideals and less prepared for the implement of those ideals (take the great October revolution where at the end Western workers, or the middle class living standards, had exceeded the proletariat of the Socialists, or take any revolutions…Cuba…Angola…Algeria…Mozambique…Zimbabwe…take any). So the correlation is not promising. That’s why I choose peaceful means of change, or a well organized means but fully controlled and anchored on people’s consent and control…)
          Sorry, I ventured a bit, but what I am trying to say is: Eritrea’s current predicament could not be fully explained by its ghedli. But I am fine with topic related discussions for pure learning and exchanging experiences. I have to go.

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmuday,

            In the final hours of take down of the IA regime, the best case scenario is where the regular and national service EDF side with the people and there is also large scale parallel uprising by the people. Given the nature of IA regime and the sheer amount of things that are simmering to explode, it would be a mighty optimistic to expect a totally peaceful hand over. My prediction is that IA will be taken down by violent means. He sure is going to be able to mount attacks using his security and trusted guards. I think people will do well to weigh the possible eventualities and learn from other cases. The worst case will be where the civilians would stay back and then only power hungry officers plunging into total anarchy. The magnitude of oppression in Eritrea is so suffocating, the end will only come with a big bang. This reality is something we need to come to terms with and explore about what will save the day. Here is a short documentary of Romania’s case. Despite the transitional upheavals, things were eventually brought under control.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnqPibIb8o4

            So, it may be to good to qualify the peaceful to mean reasonably peaceful 🙂

        • haileTG

          Merhaba FS,

          Yes, people should be free to express and debate anything they wish. However, some of those expressions may not be consistent with the cause, current course and ultimate objective of the opposition movement that is calling people to raise up. In such cases, it is normal that those who hold such views will need to stand on their own in advocating the view and not be let to be interpreted as an expression representative of the struggle for justice. In other words, the justice seekers will then to clearly distance themselves from that idea and made it known that it has nothing to do with their reason for struggle. The way the YG thinking is developed is that it starts with Ghedli, it progresses to Eritrean viability and ultimately arrives at the point that we can’t and shouldn’t be holding on to the country. Such extreme view point is hard to find place in any Eritrean political organization, every organization will emphatically distance itself from that kind of surrender plan.

          Otherwise, studying Ghedli for enlightenment should be welcomed by all means.

          Regards

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HaileTG,

            You said: “The way the YG thinking is developed is that it starts with Ghedli, it progresses to Eritrean viability and ultimately arrives at the point that we can’t and shouldn’t be holding on to the country.”

            Does this mean that you reject YG’s thinking because you do not like his conclusions?

            If the conclusions you attribute to him are wrong, then you have made the correct decision. How about if his conclusions turn out to be true?

          • Ted

            HI MN, for 30 yrs we didn’t listen when the Ethiopians told us we shouldn’t be holding on the country. Now we do, a Philosopher brother from another mother came up with the idea we should give it up,Ouch!. We are what we are then and now, you can’t teach the old dog a new trick. If you insist other wise like the philosopher, your idea gets a good tracking south of the border than with us. It helps to kNow your audience as we have a bigger fish to fry..

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            You have given an emotional and defensive response. You also said “we”, although you are a mere individual. But still, I respect your opinion. However, this does not mean that difficult topics should not be objects of discussion.

          • Ted

            Hi, MN, i was hoping the emotional plea to let it go could help. “We” means the majority as HTG stated over 98 plus %. For what it is worth it is not bad idea Ethiopian wait in patience until we get to try it another 24 yrs. If you feel we are defencive on this issue, i am sure you know why.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            I wish you good luck.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello AMAN,
    I, whole heartily, agree with you on this one. I was in Asmara during HSI’s last visit there, and it seemed the entire Eritrean people were in Asmara too that day. I believe that may have made him think that every Eritrean agrees with him in all things.

  • aron

    Selamat awatistas,

    I have a good friend who hates PFDJ with passion for a good reason. His father and his older brother paid the ultimate price during Gedli. Then his baby sister run to Ethiopia from Sawa later on after independence and the government put his mom in jail until my friend forked some money to get her out because she could not produce his sister / her daughter.
    My friend always argues and he truly believes Isaias is punishing Eritrea because he suffered indignity growing up being called agame because he is from Tigray. Is there any validity to these or what do you think.

  • haileTG

    Selam Maekebay, no joke intended (seriously:)

    1 – The tegadelti of 1980 that I referred to is in terms of time length they spent with fellow tegadelti:

    Kiros – 20 years
    A tegadalay who joined in 1980s and left the country before 1995 – less than 15 years

    I was comparing time spent.

    2 – If we’d known or believed the war was instigated by IA, few would have joined. G-15 were eliminated when they wanted to debate that. So, fair is fair, people were taken by surprise and wholeheartedly went to defend their country. Do you know of an Eritrean who joined the war “to invade” Ethiopia being the call?? That is now comical:)

    3 – He said where he spent the years. War, conscription, jail and the rest. Where did tegadelti spend the time between battles?

    4 – Seriously Maekebay, personal opinion aside, in the court of Eritrean public opinion, a man who went through what Kiros went and YG wrote are valued incredibly different.

    Regards

    • Music Novice

      Greetings HaileTG,

      But the G-15 were gravely mistaken in challenging Isaias. They had travelled the journey of Ghedli, they have been there and seen all of that, they had participated in all the atrocities, they should have known the name of the game.

  • haileTG

    Selam Maekebay,

    Let me take you up on two points:

    1) Kiros Asfaha a musician by training: this assertion couldn’t be far from the truth. Kiros, until his departure, was member of the EDF. He gave 20 years of his youth working, fighting and bleeding for the nation called Eritrea. Kiros has spent 20 years of his life working, living, association with tegadelti and those from the Ghedli era, that is something even many tegadelti of the 80s may not be able to put their name to. Kiros is an artist that profession invariably is interlocked with history.

    2) YG the greatest thinker of our time: that is fudging the issue because YG was neither in Ghedli nor post Ghedli’s Ghedli II as Kiros has been right through it in the thick of it all. When YG was writing and thinking his greatest pieces in support of IA’s regime in the 98/2000, Kiros the young Kiros was roaming from frontline to frontline of Eritrea’s borders exchanging bullets, amid heavy fires and bombardments of entire battlefields of the Ethiopia Eritrea border.

    The man you try to belittle as “sucking his mother’s milk” at the time of ghedli is actually a natural link, in body and soul, of the ghedli chain. The great thinker of our time, had never been part of ghedli, never associated with it, but hey, zemene akahida is kab zegelgele zewdeldele.

    YG may be a great thinker to you, but Kiros is way to big a mountain to campare with for him.

    • Music Novice

      Greetings HaileTG,

      So, you are saying that YG would have gained credibility had he been part of Ghedli?

      You are using the same silly line of reasoning as PFDJ and its dumb supporters. Why don’t you present a systematic critique of YG’s ideas and let readers judge?

      • haileTG

        Selamat Music Novice,

        may be you weren’t here when we discussed YG and Ghedli. In fact, YG was here too. But I can’t believe you turned around the very fallacy that I argued against to argue as if it was mine. Kiros was said to be “sucking his mother’s milk” when there was Ghedli. Now that Kiros is found to be Ghedli himself, and YG nowhere near it, I am supposed to overlook that!! Anyway, the notion of arguing against ghedli has been defeated in the last decade. Today, Eritreans are pretty much clear as to who is the enemy – PFDJ. Kiros to have survived 20 years of PFDJ atrocity and still come out holding his values to ghedli, neutralizes any argument YG could ever make against it:-)

        • Music Novice

          Greetings HaileTG,

          Unfortunately, you repeated the same fallacy as the person you were replying to.

          Whatever YG said, I can clearly see from experience that Ghedli has failed, it has stagnated and became a dead end. No third world guerrilla led movement ever achieved democracy. So far, it is Isaias who has been consistent, the rest are in fantasy.

          • haileTG

            Hi Music Novice,

            Could Eritrea have been independent (was there an avenue to do so) without Ghedli? If no, then would care for Eritrea’s independence? If yes, how would you have got it differently? In fact, the history of Ghedli is a done deal, Eritreans should not be asked to surrender their history in exchange for peace. They should and must own both. I find the whole Ghedli questioning very sinister that has no practical value to the now and here. Tegadelti are part of our society and many deserve justice just like the rest of us. No more, no less.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HaileTG,

            Ghedli has happened, it is a fact of life. History cannot be reversed. However, to expect democracy from Ghedli is pure delusion.

            One cannot deny, though, that there were aspects of pre-Ghedli systems that were better.

          • haileTG

            Hi Music Novice,

            I don’t actually think Ghedli is the start of Eritrean social fabric, just a proud history in a long century long ordeals. I don’t also believe Ghedli would give democracy or prosperity, it was not set up for that. It was waged to deliver and independent country and it did. Eritrea is bigger than Ghedli and undoubtedly has many better things than in Ghedli. Ghedli is simply a story of how Eritrea came to be independent, just as PFDJ is a story about how Eritrea at the moment is crippled. When Eritrea’s better days come, the story of Ghedli will still be there and thanked for making that possible.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HaileTG,

            Isn’t Ghedli a reflection of the Eritrean Social fabric, its unwieldy nature and ungovernability, the need to use dictatorship?

            Aren’t the actors on the stage of Ghedli, such as Isaias, products of Eritrean society’s inherent contradictions? Or, can the misfortunes of Eritrea explainable purely by analysing the actors’, such as Isaias’, character?

          • Mizaan1

            Music Novice, you see YG is not very well liked by a lot of Eritrean elites because he hit where it hurts most. And that is he attacked our misguided colonial identity search that cost us so dearly and it continues to do so every minute of the day. Here is a typical Eritrean man telling me this yesterday: of all the decades that the Ethiopians colonized us, we never bowed and acquired any of their cultures including our language Tigrinya which is still unblemished by Tigray accent. He proudly added that, the Italian and Arabic mixes in Eritrea are a testament of how much we were resistant of Ethiopian oppression. This is at the core of Eritreas problems, that ‘Circular Search for Alien Identity…”

          • haileTG

            Music Novice,

            Indeed there is a lot of truth in what you said here. But the point being that for good or worse, Eritrean people, under outsiders or prior to that have been there. They are not Ghedli creations and will be there long after Ghedli becomes distant memory. I honestly do not find justification for mixing ghedli in the bag with the current problems. What would be the objective to do so?? We need to leave that era as part of our history that served specific purpose. Beyond that I agree with you we have a lot to answer for as a society and I am not putting my neck out here to defend many of our societal failings. Politically speaking, the issue of Ghedli is an important component of the grand strategy for us to piece together our justice and dignity agenda. Without that the center of our argument will fall. That is why I consider our ghedli discussions need to be conservative rather than denigrating.

            Regards

          • Music Novice

            Greetings HaileTG,

            Ghedli being a very important milestone in Eritrean history, its genesis, trajectory and final conclusion should be analysed with no holds barred.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Music Novice,
            .
            Is there a book that is close to fit your description, you recommend? I hope you don’t recommend “against all odds”. I have read his journalistic reports in real time and he is no good to write history books. I have read another book SAAY suggested on a different historical account but never the genesis, trajectory and the process of ghedli to the final conclusion without all the bias debris surrounding it.
            .
            K.H

          • haileTG

            Hello Music Novice,

            The central problem as it happens is when people reduce the issue to mere political opining. The full pre, during and immediate aftermath of the Ghedli era spans over 40 years, hundreds of thousands of people directly and millions of people indirectly. Surely, the sheer enormity of the task is of warranting an institutional level analysis and development. No one person can accurately depict such a giant task alone. Hence, can never be complete when they do so. KH is correct in identifying the obvious lacking in the area too. But when it is used subjectively, based on personal opinion and pushed for political purpose alone, it lacks validity and does more harm than good. PFDJ tells us Ghedli is still here and it is justifying its atrocity on it. YG tells us Ghedli is still here and he is justifying his political course in opposing it. We are saying Ghedli is NOT here and shouldn’t be relevant to what we should do here and now. That is where Kiros Asfaha aptly put the argument in calling out to the diaspora PFDJ supporters (those who believe the PFDJ side of ghedli narration) to come to their senses.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Fanti,
    .
    I am so many times pleasantly surprised at the achievements of Ethiopians. I don’t want to be too specific, but I know many but one specific case is a Godjame young man who was recruited by Harvard to teach science. Within a couple years he was bought out by a big corporation to participate in their research department. He is a humble great man with a humble beginning. No resemblance of private schools in his past. Yes, Yes, private school helps and is a plus if it can afforded but no way close to THAT gift.
    .
    You know we are dangerously coming close to saying we are special people, we should not be that bold.
    .
    K.H

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello KH,
      I think it is regional phenomenon. I believe that is why dawit can’t say “we are #1” often enough.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Fanti,
        .
        In that case let dawit do it. We will tag along. If someone throw a legitimate accusation, we will just move aside. It is just a survival mode in this cruel world.
        .
        K.H

  • dawit

    Dear Horizon;
    Are you telling me Eritreans and Germans are first cosines? Waw! I never knew that. How long did you fasted and prayed to this important revelation?

    • Dear dawit,
      It is all about one’s state of mind or perception. It has nothing to do with relationship.

  • AOsman

    Dear Awatista,

    I just saw a headline news on Assenna about the rescue of 4400 immigrant on Saturday…….that’s in a day. This crisis is just getting bigger by the day and we are powerless to do anything.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • Nitricc

      Hey AOsman. What goes arround, it comes arround. The Europians invaded Africa from early 1900’s till world II, so don’t feel bad if the Africans pay pack the Epropians. Lol.
      On sirious note, it is the Europians fualt. They can stop this madness in a day if they wanted to.

      • AOsman

        Dear Nitricc,

        I know your prescription, it is too radical it will cause us heart ache. Am assuming the usual “let them drawn” type of suggestion, so a clear message is sent to those who follow. If the PFDJ shoot to kill policy did not work, why do you think such drastic action from the EU will work?

        Regards
        AOsman

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    MY OPINION ON THE DIFFICULT ISSUE OF LANGUAGES WHICH
    I AM STILL LEARNING ABOUT IT THAN TO GIVE SOLUTION…….
    My first opinion is;
    How about leaving the issue of Languages to Academicians
    and Linguists taking it away from the hands of politicians ?
    When the social institutions strengthened to fully take responsibility
    and able to fully discharge their duties to Nationals and citizens; the
    government can delegate and/or franchise the duty of administering
    social issues and transfer it from government portfolio to those institutions.
    As we are thriving to establish a secular and moderate National
    society free from extremist views and outlook ; calling for Arabic,
    Hebrew and Greek for a National language or lingua franca is an
    extremist view of elites by itself imposed on the public.
    Political administration of a country springs out from the objective
    reality on the ground of the National society. Hence only Tigre and
    Tigrigna are the dominant languages in the Eritrean society. Those
    who are calling for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew are either minorities or
    few privledged Elites in the society.
    However, outside the government it can be left to social institutions
    (to the Mosques, Bete Kirstian and Bet Meqdeses) to teach their
    followers the civilizations of the world society and beliefs and faiths
    of the people from ancient times to this day.
    So the government can use Tigre and Tigrigna as working language
    and the religious social institutions can use the Arabic, Greek/Coptic,
    and Hebrew/Syriac according to their Liturgies.
    That is the
    1. The Islamic Waqf / Mosque……..Arabic
    2. The Coptic/orthodox Bete Christian ……..Geez of Alexandrian rite ( translated from Coptic/Greek)
    3. The Tewahdo Bet Meqdes……………..Geez of Jerusalem rite ( translated from Hebrew/Syriac)
    according to their orientations to Mecca, Alexandria and Jerusalem respectively.
    Because in Eritrean and Ethiopian regional history it is the Tewahdo religion that is more oppressed
    by colonialism and its legacies than Arabic or any other language by far. No religion as the Tewhdo
    of Ethiopia has been decimated and in continuous steep decline in the last 500 years history by colonial
    intervention and design primarily and the erratic and erroneous nation building and administrations followed
    from the legacies of them by confused and uneducated native regimes thereafter.
    So it is a far cry if the Islamic community thinks its religion is oppressed as much as or equal to Tewahdo in
    Eritre and Ethiopia. And I see the call for Arabic language use tantamount to the call of Hebrew use in the
    Bete Meqdes and Greek use in the Bete Christos.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam AMAN,
      .
      You are full of surprises. I just never know where you pop up. The above post is really impressive. It is concise, it is precise and it is to the point. No wishy washy stuff.
      .
      Unless it is one of those statistical anomalies of interception of a rightful and courageous position, all your sins of the past is forgiven.
      Keep the positive surprises coming, AMAN the lion hearted.
      .
      K.H

      • AMAN

        Thankyou Kindly
        Kim Hanna
        Seriusly, It is a heart warming and empowering compliment.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Aman. Good point except there is a problem with your take. Language is a representative of a nation and if language is left up the religious institutions …..
      A) what happens to the idea of the saparetion of state and religion?
      B) religion is nothing but a radicizing tool of human being to the point of animalizing. So, if you leave language up to the religious institutions; aren’t you risking dividing and radicalizing the entire society through religion and language?

  • haileTG

    Dear Awatista,

    The Guardian newspaper has been running a series on Eritrea to shed light on the reasons why so may leave the despotic rule of IA. In a suspect manner, the VOA is in its first few legs of a parallel series to counter that. Today the VOA brings Browney Burton in an attempt to put a lipstick on a pig. It tries to downplay the serious UNHR findins that has completely neutralized the self serving reports of some EU immigration officers and pins its hope on the mining companies would eventually pushing the regime to change because as it put it “western companies don’t want to tough [touch] slave labor with a 25-foot pole and they’ve made it really clear to the government.” Well, thank God to the “western companies”, our people might be spared from being slaves (which one presumes would have been OK so long as it didn’t bother the blessed heart “western companies”).

    http://www.voanews.com/content/westerners-complete-picture-eritrea/2927193.html

    VOA shame on you (with that crazy guy who bought his second round land for building in the 90s:-)

    Regards

    • L.T

      Calm down Aye Haile TG…..”Ezi kulu likso

  • Semere Andom

    Dear Horizon:

    Your rebut to the PFDJ supporter is right on. Dawit has not gotten over his hate of his the mother that fed him, that educated him and that mother is called Ethiopia. But the Eritrea’s who are flocking to Ethiopia will forever be grateful to Ethiopia. Do not get me wrong there will be some like dawit among them, but they are few.

    You can see how he is flooding this forum with his we are number one, a harbinger of his desperation, PFDJ are recovering from the damning COI report and the Geneva demo, so they will take the credit for this, AL rough everyone know they have nothing to do with it..

    Eritreans given the opportunity will contribute too many things, they are human, talents is lurking among them an am sure the war and PFDJ contributed to the wasting of many undiscovered talents.

    If Girmay was a scientist who had created the cure for cancer, PFDJ will not celebrate him, dawit will not celebrate him even if it means taking the credit, because that is an accomplishment that changes lives, fees people from the yoke of disease.

    PFDJ’s forte is entertainment and technicians, these two areas is where their entire educational systems were based Girmay’s in is a double benefit for PFDJ, they have not invested it on it and they get to take credit for it. And did you notice how daiwt changed this to language debate, he asked in what language did they exchange their congratulations?

    If dawit understood one of the other past and future official language of Eritrea, Arabic, I would have quote an Egyptian poet and said this:

    “TeAtelet luQet alkelam….”

    Mahmud, SGJ and Sal can finish the line, the poet is Ahmed Shawqi:

    • dawit

      Dearest SEM,
      Don’t you know that dawit # 1 original Ethiopian?

  • belay

    Dear Eritrean’s
    The future is bright, two major success stories, in less than a week.that is wonderful.
    I wish, all the Eritrean young men,who were the victims of the high seas and the desert crimes, waited to this very moment to celebrate, and to realize what they were worth.
    Thanks for sharing the success story.

  • dawit

    Dear aklilu,

    a) What is the connection of German history to Eritrean history? Could you explain it better? I don’t see any connections.

    b) The UN sanction is imposed on Eritrea as a country and its people. It is not imposed on Nsu, Nsa, Nsatom, Nsaten or PFDJ and that is why I oppose it. But unfortunately you and others as “Justice and Truth Seeker” campaign and support it, because wrongly you conclude it will bring change of government in Eritrea, but I don’t.

    c) Last and not least what do you say about those (with immense potential in many fields including sport) who are perishing in the high seas?
    I am saddened with the waste of Eritrean lives because of misguided information pumped in those young Eritrean minds to make them abandoned their home and country to perish in deserts and seas. Unfortunately to the ‘Justice seekers crowd they are statistics which can be used to add to PFDJ rule in Eritrea, ready made stat to bring about regime change in Eritrea.
    Regards

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Kiros Asfaha concluded his interview with this clip. I would have wished this clip had been part one, because it is full of highly relevant views. Of which, some include:

    1 – His view of the regime seems to agree with saay’s

    2 – On YG’s Ghedli deromanticization he gives unequivocal verdict

    3 – On Eritreans abroad in general (opposition/supporters) and also supporters in particular, he makes a strong case warning them that it could be something they will regret in the future (starting around 17min)

    4 – He promises to use his talent to inspire Eritreans to unite.

    Enjoy:-)

    https://www.facebook.com/eritrean.exodus/videos/1461955964132359/?fref=nf

    • saay7

      Hailat TG;

      Wish you hadn’t given the bullet list: now Emma (“PFDJ is a system”) and Sem A (“EPLF was always bad”) won’t watch the video 🙂

      Kiros flips the “armed resistance = civil war” completely on its head. I hope RSADO and DMLEK and Salvation are taking notes.

      Have enda Isaias started their “kiros men iyu?” hateta? Dob asigiromo doh already? 🙂 you should chop for Abi and Eyob the preview of the song he has written (in Amharic) praising Ethiopia.

      saay

      • Pass the salt

        SAAY,
        The “egele menyu” episode is closed for good. Its last edition was on Eritrea’s Donald Trump, Kbur Wedi Vacaro, may he rest in piece.
        The sheer number of defections rendered “egele menyu” obsolete.
        Of cource Daniel Rezene is the target of profiling these days. Nevermind who else in the leadership is half Eritrean.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Saay, Haile TG,

        I found this video very persuasive and honest.

        ‘ህዝባዊ ግንባር’ኮ ቕዱስ ዕላማታት ሒዙ ዝነቐለ: ተልእኹኡ ብግቡእ ዝፈፀመ እዩ::’ True. (One of my issues with YG)
        ‘እቲ ኣብ ወጻኢ ዘሎ ኤርትራዊ እዚ መንግስቲ እዝይ ህዝባዊ ግንባር ይመስሎ ኣሎ፤ ህዝባዊ ግንባር ግን ኣይኮኑን እዚኣቶም::’ True.

        Some what related to what Hailat and Mr. Amanuel briefly touched about infiltrators, and why so many factions in the opposition, he says the following as an emotional expression rather than a matter of fact:

        ‘ሰላሳ ፓርቲ እንተለዋ እተን 15 ናቶም እየን…’ May be qualitatively true.

        He is persuasive, likable, and sounds very honest to me.

    • dawit

      Dear Hailat TG,
      I wish they had provided a sign language to the video. I couldn’t listen any thing. I only watched an angry man gestures. Any way what good can he bring to the table, you can unite Eritrea from inside and not from 1000s miles away.

      • haileTG

        hey dawita, why is that? Seriously, are you hearing impaired or just kidding? The video is working for me and it is not common that the media from our part of the world do any accessibility features in their programs. I am saying this because you said you can’t hear it and you needed sign language interpreter. Otherwise, if you’re just pulling my legs…haha, no doubt you’ve heard it.

        • Haile WM

          hi Haile moqsi the great 🙂

          this time (with great displeasure) i have to agree with dawit the HGDEF. the video from 9:27 to minute 35:05 is mute….

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Haile WM,
            I thought dawit was being sarcastic when he said he didn’t hear anything. But if you also had similar problem I don’t know what to say, because I listened to it from start to finish with no issues. Could it be a slow internet connection you may have and it is not streaming quick enough for your system to play it? Or try again at late hour just in case the problem is from the source. If they are over whelmed by high demand at the same time, their system could be lagging.

          • Haile WM

            Hi Fanti Ghana,

            I think you are right because now the time when it get mute is at minute 2:25. I guess there is some problem with the video uploading… i wil try later on

          • dawit

            Hi Haile WM + Hale HG +FG
            HGDEF always tell the truth. That is the brand of PFDJ. Never lie always the ‘Truth”, because the truth makes you free.
            Cheers

          • haileTG

            Selam moxi,

            I believe it is may be what FG diagnosed or possible infiltration by dawit who is increasingly resorting to unlawful jamming of our voice to muzzle the Truth 🙂

    • አዲስ

      Hi haile,

      I believe this is the same Kiros you mentioned on your post. Here he is singing in Amharic.

      https://www.facebook.com/eritrean.exodus/videos/1461956184132337/

      Thanks,
      Addis

      • Pass the salt

        Addis,
        The song is already on the above link HTG provided:)
        Thanks for your effort though.

    • Mizaan1

      Dear haileTG:

      1. I don’t think so. Because saay blames one and only one person and that is IA. But Kiros Asfaha paints a much better picture of a corrupt system with structural problems and frailties. He is more or less advocating for a complete revamping of the system. Diabolically opposite of saay, or at least from what I read of saay few months ago unless he shifted his positions.

      2. I was explicitly looking for a mention by name of YG. With all due respect to you, I think this one is a cheap shot at YG. KH is a mere singer but honestly much deep thinking person than most artists, who are shallow and generally dumb. YG is one of the greatest Eritrean philosophers. KH calls tegadelty ‘hawayat.’ That is a bit of a stretch. They have always done what they are doing now. We are only realizing this now because the euphoria has dwindled down. They were never angels nor hawaya of justice. They care for the land more than the people. That will never change. YG is fighting for the opposite, meaning for the people first and we can worry about the land later.

      3. I kind on agree on this one but the supporters have nothing to regret because they are supporting fully knowing what is going on back home. They are just giving it a blind eye. In my mind, there is no Eritrean who is immune to our current predicament and the supporters have all be affected one way or another. If they were the kind who would regret anything, they would abandon the regime one by one as it hit home for them. But the few dedicated operatives will remain so without regret until the last of days.

      4. Kudos!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Mizan, it is unfortunate you choose to use the word dimb. And it is true dumb people are the once who use the word dumb to look down on to other people. The point; you are the last person to call any dumb. Again, you can agree disagree Respetfully but calling Eritrean artists dumb is simply the joke is on you. But if you must know the truth you are the dumbest in Awate U. The truth!!!

        • አዲስ

          Ayte Nitricc,

          You said : “…And it is true dumb people are the once who use the word dumb to look down on to other people. …But if you must know the truth you are the dumbest in Awate U.”

          So by your own logic you are dumb then ? 🙂 Don’t be so hard on yourself 🙂

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • Nitricc

            I guess you don’t know me? Long time ago I told Mizan that I am nothing but a blubbering idiot. Here you have it. Ask Mizan I told him. So the point is that everyone knows I am an idiot and dumb. Can I present Anymore clarification for you?

          • አዲስ

            Nitricc,

            Like I wrote earlier, don’t be so hard on yourself 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            That is funny. By your own account you are always the winner in all the debates you engage in, because you have nothing to lose. One exception though, Hayat beat you at your own game fair and square last year I think, admit it.
            .
            Even these days she occasionally takes you out unprovoked to dust off few things with you until the next time. It probably bothers you but you are handling it by choosing to be quite, as they say. That is very wise.
            .
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hey K-H; how do you figure the Tigryan lady beat me out? As far as I am concern; you got to win over your self before you can win over anybody else. This woman is full of deceit and full of lies; what is there to talk about? Here you have it to the reason for my silence. Once I figure things out, I am not interested anymore, I move on. What is the point wasting my time with paid TPLF agent? For your information; she will never beat me. Let alone her, no one can beat me, if I decided to go at it and brining it on.

        • Mizaan1

          Nitricc, there are so many examples of dumb singers. Fihira, Kanye West, Beyoncé, Helen Melles, nicki minaj, Chris Brown, Teame Weldemichael etc.

          Smartest, Abraham Afewerki!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hailat, Saay & all awatistas,

      I am a little behind to follow the discussion. But I will comment on the phenomenon artist Kiros Asfaha.

      Hailat – thank you for the clip. Kiros is energetic, conscious on what is going on in our country, very articulate, very collective, with a clear mission in his mind, and a very specific call to our people to fight for “justice and peace.” Non of the leaders of the opposition camp can articulate the reality of Eritrea as he did. Of course he is apolitical (he admitted it actually) to explain the relationship of EPLF and PFDJ as to how one evolved from the other, the dynamic political discourse of Eritrean politics. But as to what ought to be our specific priority, he addressed it eloquently. I saw his contribution to “peace and justice” will be enormous especially as a singer to change the mind of Eritreans and to instill courage to our young. I have never seen as expressive singer as him (not in singing) from the whole pool of our singers (old and new). Kiros is an excellent communicator and artist. God bless him to continue his mission. He has really a winning heart on the general public.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

  • dawit

    Selam to all
    First let me apologize to all “Truth-loving and justice-seeking Awatistas” . It was my mistake to give credit to Eritrean Government contribution for the Eritrean individual athletes efforts and achievements in world stages. We Eritreans should not be proud of their achievements collectively, why should it be? It is an individual effort and that has nothing with the country or the people. I also wonder why those individuals carry the flag of their country and wave it, because the flag of their country has nothing to do with their individual victory, why do they sing their national anthem when standing on the podium? Why do they announce such a country received so much gold, silver or bronze medals, when all those are individual achievement which has nothing to do with their nationalities or governments. Why do those athletes wrap themselves with the flag of their country especial when the government did not contribute a penny to their individual effort especially when that government purposely put obstacles to their individual effort. I wonder Why?

    • haileTG

      Dear dawita,

      Small old school math in order:)

      Country + People + Flag + Citizen IS NOT EQUAL TO Regime

      Regards

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Selam Hailat,

        ኣይትሓዘሉ ንዳዊት; he is inflicted by the Nsu-Nhna syndrome.))

      • dawit

        Dear Hailat, I am not understanding old or new math. I had hard time understanding set theory in my freshman year. It was called the ‘New Math’ at that time. When it come to math I like to do with numbers. Sorry I am slow learner when it come such kind old or new math.
        Regards

    • Ted

      Hi Dawit, Athletes from back home are causing us aches than joy these days. If only we have athletes from Diaspora like Meb: darn it! he doesn’t want anything to do with “Truth-loving and justice-seeking Awatistas”
      It is a sickness i don’t undrestand.

      • dawit

        Hi Ted, even Athletes from Diaspora are in trouble if they visit Eritrean Mission in UN, from our “Truth-loving and justice-seeking” crowds. Meb and his brother were heavily criticized for their brief visit to UN and stopped by at the Eritrean Mission and took picture with the Ambassador. What can I say it must be a sickness.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear dawitom
      Those athletes know very well that long after HGDF is gone, the flag, anthem, medals…the record of our nation will keep inspiring other athletes. That’s the difference my friend. The hero athletes have an enduring impact in our memory. While the relics of HGDF will collect dust, personalities such as Zeresanay, Daniel…Marhawi…Girmay…Meb…and others will live getting polished by the admiration of generations to come. Look at Ethiopia, and Africa at large. Abebe BeQila heroism has survived the demise of regimes. The message is simple: This is despite HGDF. If HGDF would not arrest the rate of growth at which Eritrea was taking off, we would have Daniels, Merhawis, Girmays, Zeresanays in ALL fields including seasoned diplomats, and other public figures.

      • saay7

        MaHmuday:

        Here’s another athlete. 81 year old Eritrean celebrates his birthday by climbing Mt Kenya. It’s not from EriTV though so Dawit might not use it in his “we are Number 1” list. But he is 81 and he does 1,500 push-ups a day which is 1480 more than Nitricc:

        http://youtu.be/Td5lyis2XLE

        saay

        • Mahmud Saleh

          SAAY
          That’s just impressive. That’s a call for the young General to get his bottom off the couch and hit the road. That’s all it took for Girmay to make us proud.
          Yes, እቲ ሓቦን ጽንዓትን IS STILL ALIVE. It’s just clouded up by PFDJ caused bad news.

        • dawit

          Cousin Saay,
          Don’t worry, I am losing the “No. 1” count. Did you know this week alone Eritrea was the first medal awarded, the first National anthem to be played, the first flag to be hoisted, the first young athlete to win the Marathoner and the first youngest country to win the Marathon in Beijing China, and now the oldest mountain climber in the world. Oh Yes We are # 1.
          Cheers!

          • Abi

            dawit
            How is it possible the youngest country to have the oldest mountain climber in the world ?
            The old man is an ethiopian.

          • dawit

            Dear Abi,
            Don’t hold me responsible to that fact. I gathered that information from Cousin Saay, which he got it from Kenyan News source. Believe me it was not reported by ERiTV the sours of “Truth”. While we are on the subject of nationalities, do you think in Eritrea won two medals, Gold by Ghirmay Gebreselassie and a Silver Yemane Tsegay? His name and his father names does not fit Ethiopian (Yemenu, Tsegaye), Do you also think Solomon Muti from Uganda also possibly from Eritrea, since every African consider him/herself Eritrean. If that is true then Eritrea would be the first country to win all the medals in Marathon history!
            By the way the famous Ethiopian Haile Gebreselassie was mentioned frequently by BBC announcer to make sure the young Gebresellasie of Eritrea was not the old Gebreselassie of Ethiopia. Do you think Haile Gebreselassie could he be an Eritrean by blood one who was born in Assela Arusi?. Could his parents were Simetiru Hamaseins who settled in Shshemene, Kofele, Arbagugu and Arusi regions? Why was his name Haile instead of Hailu a typical Amara name? and if was an Oromo Ethiopian, his name could have been Hailecha, Balcha, Regassa, Demeksa, Bakila etc.That will be a good research project for you.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Dawit,

            Hailicha? Yemanu?…..Where do you get these names, man?

            Oooooooh…your killing me… 🙂 🙂 -:) 🙂

          • dawit

            Dear Eyob.

            They are revealed to me from above በተኣምር ነው: በ ጾ ም፡ በ ጸ ሎ ት።
            This could be a good PhD or MS research topic for a young Anthropologist on Ethiopian and Eritrean Habesha nomenclature. I think Hailicha and Ymenu are Eritreans originally!

          • Abi

            dawit
            An other meto bemeto!
            This is your moment. Take them all . Let everyone be an eritrean for three days.
            Eritrean, ethiopian, Ugandan , all good. The beautiful thing is no Arab among them.
            Girma Gebresilassie is our our hero.

          • dawit

            Abi,
            ከጸደቁ ካልቀረ መንግስተሰማይ ገብቶ መንደላቀቅ ይባላል Eritrea is claiming one of her lost sons Mahamed Farah who runs for Great Britain the Winner of the 10,000 M Gold Medalist also to be an Eritrean, whose father went to Somalia as an Askari during the Italian invasion !. That makes Eritrean Medal count of medals 4 so far at Beijing China. Yes We are # 1.
            PIA left Qatar to Asmara, to Chair the Greatest Homecoming Celebration in Africa called ‘We are #1′ Party’ in Asmara at The Queen Saba Stadium!

          • Abi

            dawit
            Very interesting.
            President IA cut his visit and went back to Asmara to celebrate the victory of Girma . Here at awate , PM Mahmud cut his romantic activities unusually short and came back to his barn to celebrate Girma’s victory.
            The race is on at Beijing, Asmsra and Awate.
            dawit , no wonder that Askaris is Fara. It is fitting. You have all the rights to claim your Fara Askaris back.

          • dawit

            Abi, that is true, it was reported by Awate PIA left Qatar, right from the barber shop to the airport. He also now ordered the PM to coordinate all the Diaspora celebration world wide. Oh yes Eritrea is claiming and open to 100% of its population, not just 1% only the Fantis and Eyobs as it is in the south.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear dawit,
            They say success is multi-parented while failure is always an orphan.
            No wonder Mo Farah is overly claimed. Look at a certain clueless Maria Macharia from South Africa giving Mo a history of Ethiopianess: “Earlier in the men’s 10 000m, it was again Ethiopia’s British adopted athlete, Mo Farah, who beat Kenya’s Geoffrey Kamworor at the Bird’s Nest Stadium.”
            http://allafrica.com/stories/201508240459.html

          • dawit

            Dear Hayat,
            In the olden days we were all Ethiopians, but in the 21st century we are all baptized as Eritreans and we are #1

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear dawit,
            Don’t be carried away too much by this #1 thing. We are #1 to flee the nation. We are #1 in Africa to be governed without constitution and election. We are number #1 to lose the entire national football team vanishing in the jungles of Nairobi. We are #1 dying in the seas and deserts in search of life. We are #1 to have locked press, press owners and editors, and veteran tegadelti and senior officials. We are number one who denial burial grounds for the dead.

          • dawit

            Dear Hayat,
            Some of the #1 title you mentioned are fabricated charges, they don’t belong to us. All the positive # 1, are ours and the negative ones belongs to our neighbors in the South.

          • saay7

            Cousin Dawitom:

            I think what awatistas don’t understand is that the PFDJ and YPFDJ had a meeting where they found math to be an enemy of Eritrea that has to be resolutely rebuffed. Among the elements of math that have been deemed as enemies of the State are:

            # 5: Eritrea is ranked 5th in countries with highest public debt as percentage of GDP
            #10: Eritrea is ranked #10 in list of countries who are major source of refugees (# 1 – #9 are all in a state of war: Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Congo, Nyanmar, Central African Republic and Iraq.)
            #166: Eritrea is ranked # 166 in Transparency International’s “Corruption Perception Index 2014”, with every year getting worse than the previous
            #182: Eritrea is ranked # 182 (out of 189 states) in the UNDP’s Human Development Index. It is ahead of Sierra Leone, Chad, Central African Republic, Congo and Niger.
            #8: Eritrea is 1 of 8 African states which has had the same head of state for 20+ years. (The others include: Angola, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, Sudan, Swaziland, Uganda, and Zimbabwe)
            80%: 80% of Eritreans who attend National Service Programme did not pass college entrance requirements.
            0.9%: Internet penetration rate in Eritrea is 0.9% (less than 1%), the lowest in the world.
            24: the number of years Eritrea hasn’t had a constitution. Or national elections.
            2: Rwanda and Eritrea are the only two African states which do not have vice presidents (Or, to use cousin dawit’s terminology, Rwanda is tied for # 1 with Eritrea.)

            saay

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Saay,

            What a revealing and depressing statistic! No wonder why DIA hates World Bank and IMF reports., because they carry the glaring facts that the Isayas regime hides from its people. The first point you listed is, particularly a severe blow to the empty bravado of “self-reliance” of the Isayasists.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abraham for a fact SAAY started from number 5, doesn’t even bother you, let alone to be validated? come on man! those days, it is a cool thing to do to pick and chose what suits your political out look. again, Abraham, ask SAAY why he started from number 5? have some courage to ask real questions.

          • saay7

            Yeah, Abraham!

            Have some courage to ask real questions? Why not 1, 2, 3, 4? Why start with 1?

            #1: Eritrea is 1st (that is dead last) in the number of instructors per 1,000 primary school students. Held this record every year since 2008.
            #1: Eritrea is 1st (that is dead last) in the number of tourists that visit it every year. Held this record since 2000.
            #1: Eritrea is 1st (that is dead last) in the number of internet users per 1,000. Somalia has better internet access than Eritrea. Areas controlled by Islamic State have better internet access than Eritreans.
            #2: Eritrea is 2nd (that is 2nd to last) in electricity consumption. We beat Haiti. Yay.
            #3: Eritrea is 3rd (that is 3rd from last) in cellular phone subscription per 100. We beat Marshall Islands and American Samoa. Losers.

            Happy now?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Marshal, Sir
            Very helpful information, Sir. Thanks. But it is directed to the wrong addressee. It should be to Nitricc, not to Abraham.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello PM,
            ab r’esi dikhamka izom YGistas rebishomkha yimesleni.
            The reply is addressed to right person. The ‘Yeah, Abraham!’ is a side note to Abraham’s reply above Nitricc’s. You should know by now how Saay Un-talks.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan FG
            ‘ዶ? ናይ ሳልሕ ጥበብን ክእለትን ዘረባ ብኸመይ ክገጥሞ ኢልካኒ። ታንክ ዩ ይብሉ ጸዓዱ፡ የቐንየለይ።
            እቲ ናይ YGistas ከኣ እንታይ ደኣ’ሞ ክንገብር ኣሕዋትና እንድዮም። ንሕና ክነዕሪ ንሶም ፋሕ ከብሉ ደኣ ኣብ ርብርብ ግዜ ንቐትል ኣለና’ምበር።

          • Rahwa T

            Hi saay,

            “…forgetting that “tourism” actually means having foreigners visit Eritrea. Eritreans visiting Eritrea are NOT tourists.” Both domestic and foreign tourists are tourists. Check your definition.

          • saay7

            Selamat Rahwa T:

            Ok, I checked my definition. Here’s how definition (nationmaster), defines tourism:

            DEFINITION: International inbound tourists (overnight visitors) are the number of tourists who travel to a country other than that in which they have their usual residence, but outside their usual environment, for a period not exceeding 12 months and whose main purpose in visiting is other than an activity remunerated from within the country visited.

            Then, Haile TG told me that for an Eritrean to visit Eritrea in zemene Isaias is a form of renumeration:) But seriously, when the Ministry of Tourism was putting together its 2000-2020 plan, this is what it said:

            Potential tourist markets are:
            • Europe, especially Italy, Germany, UK and France
            • North America, especially the USA
            • Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia
            • Regional African, especially the neighbouring countries of Ethiopia, Sudan, Djibouti and Somalia
            • Eritreans living abroad, which is currently and will continue to be a very important market
            • Asia which, except for some business travel, is a longer-term market opportunity.

            So, the Diaspora Eritrean is supposed to be the low-hanging fruit and not the sole tourist. The country averages 100,000 tourists a year–almost all of whom are “domestic tourists.”

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            The only explanation is the tourism minister was a tourist himself in July 1999.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY it is a good take to rally your crowed but is it Eritrea or the leaders? use the word ” the leaders of Eritrea and then, may be smart people will follow you and up-vote you. you are baiting for the cheap thing.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Nitricc,

            And what am i supposed to ask? As if those dismal figures that Saay compiled hastily are not enough? But may be those like Nitricc and Dawit who’re living in a delusional world would not get the message until they see an Eritrea laying dead for burial.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abraham; i was just telling Ghezae that the Eritrean people are sick to death negativity and bad news. they are! if you going to straggle to change something, at least know about the mentality of the people you are dealing with. for instance; even the great SAAY, look how he messed it up. never use Eritrea by name, instead use the government, the PFDJ or something. when you mention negativity and you attaching the name of Eritrea; majority Eritrean will be turn off, for good! regardless how true and how fact is your accusation. so, i forgive you for not knowing your people’s mentality but if delusion has to be defined; then, well you get my drift.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Nitricc,

            The bad news and negativity is not comming from nothing; in fact the Eritrean people are paying a dear price for the blunders of Isayas regime. And those with properly functioning mind do not need an observer’s verdict to comprehend the dire situation of their country. They are living the hell and no need of self-deception for them. However, it should not be confused that these series of failures are to be seen as those of the Eritrean people’s, because the people have never been given the chance to unleash and exploit their potentials.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest dawit,
            Which one belongs to “our neighbors in the South” and not to us, for example?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam dawit,
            .
            I think you might be up to something here. I always had a suspicion that Emperor Haile Sellassie was an Eritrean. Why Haile indeed? If he was a legitimate Amhara he would have been named Hailu Selassie.
            .
            K.H

          • haileTG

            Hey KH,

            Wasn’t he first named Tafari Makonnen? dawit may be thinking that he changed to Haile just in time when he was negotiating to take Eritrea after the British 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam haileTG,
            .
            Yes it was Tafari Mankonnen he should have stuck to it. Oh, now I have to refer to him as an Eritrean wanabe, with an aggressive negotiating skills.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            I think he was Ras Tafari (thus the “Rastafarrian” movement who didn’t get news of his name change) when he was in Harar…but, when he was crowned emperor (through the usual Ethiopian palace intrigue), he chose “Haileselasse I”* as his nom de royale. So it is not “Haile” but “Haileselasse I”. “I” As in “I and I will see you through”, as a Bob Marley song has it, because I don’t think Marley knew that “I” was Roman numeral 1:)

            saay

            So, Dawit, Haileselassie was #1!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I don’t know how many times I can tell you this (sigh)

            He DID NOT CHOOSE Hileselassie as his Royal name. The CHURCH chose that for him. In Oriental Orthodox (Which Tewahido Church is a part of) and Catholic Church tradition, when you are born and crowned a king or a head of a church, you get to have a new name or (Christined) to show your destiny that the church sees in you and for you. Kassa Hailu (Tewodros II) Kassa Mircha (Yohannes IV) Minilik (Exception, because he was born out of a King already and his birth right had already “distend” him to become one, same with his daughter Zewditu. Teferi Mekonnen (Haileselassie I)….That is how it works, bro… 😉

          • saay7

            Hi Eyob:

            This all sounds vaguely familiar:) Back in the good old days when there was no wall between church and state and the king at least feared being excommunicated by the Church or assassinated by a rival. Unlike our modern day kings… Thanks, until I forget it;). For your efforts, here’s Charles Onyango, on Africa’s version of “term limits”

            http://nakedchiefs.com/2015/08/24/presidents-into-kings-weve-lost-the-fight-against-3rd-terms-in-africa-so-here-are-some-parting-sour-shots/

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            King Haileselassie was so modern and advanced when compared with King IA. He never appointed or demoted a pope. See , there has always been separation of the church and government in modern ethiopia.

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            Eyob won’t get this because he is too young, but do you remember “The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson”? He had a character called “Carnac the Magnificent.” Carnac was supposed to be a seer: he would recite three words….open an envelope, and then show you how the three words are connected…to the loud laughter of Ed McMahon.

            So, let’s play that game on the separation of religion and politics in Ethiopia:

            Dejiat Wube
            Abuna Salama
            Ras Ali

            If you don’t know (or you forgot) the game, here’s an example:

            https://youtu.be/ZFQFf_Vb0Hw

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            That is easy! They are all ethiopians.
            But, why are you diverting the attention of debaters by bringing games that have nothing to do with the struggle against tyranny? These kind of games are anti-Eritrean and should be avoided at any cost. I have played all kinds of games. You can check my records. I don’t need a YouTube clip to remind me my games. I have said a lot about it.
            Have good game.

        • AOsman

          SAAY,

          Is the famous Eritrean architect at 1:15 the same 81 year old guy, otherwise he must be his twin.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4OVL0Uj2E

          Abi – don’t watch the rest of the clip, kaytewaredena.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • saay7

            Hi Abu Affan:

            Yeah, he is the #1 author of the # 1 book “Asmara: Secret Modernist City.” This was pointed out to me by a quiet awatista who has refused to write because they are mad at the # 1 provocateur here, cousin dawit.

            saay

      • Ted

        Hi, The Greatest MS.
        Girmay’s victory has nothing to do with PFDJ although PFDJ is posed to milk it till it dries. The sport commentator i paraphrase ” Girmay’s parent want him to be university student but he chose running, now he can do all he want IF THERE IS UNIVERSITY IN HIS HOME COUNTRY” The commentator couldn’t help to take a jab at the country never willing to disappear from the map. These athletes are about the country, They REPRESENT: we are here, we belong here. It is about defending ዓብ ዓለም ጭቢታቶ ግቡዕ ከብራ. And to make it about PFDJ or not at this juncture is robing ourselves the joy we deserve as heroic people never willing to surrender. They are defenders of their country where misery and malicious slanders are a norm by Western Agents. And of course our bad friends can’t help it either to make it “We the people against PFDJ” but in truth there is no WE in this fight. They are “Eshi goytay” who are traumatized to the bone by Eritrean athlete’s heroic act.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          The no nonsense great

          ከበሮ…ከበሮ…

          ሓደ…ሓደ…

          I do agree with most of your observation. However, I’m out of your ከናዳዊ ሽጣራ። Cheers, I am still in celebratory mood, so don’t get me to jump onto my bad friend Semere’s throat. We concluded that yesterday and he is as ecstatic as any other Eritrean.

          Now to the politics: You know Ted, at this MOMENT my hero is Girmay, not the toothless HGDF, ot the toothless opposition. I want to forget them. I am just responding when I see comments of propaganda nature. PFDJ will try to capitalize on it. What it should know is when Eritreans hit Asmara streets all the way to BaHti Meskerem, they are just celebrating their heroes. They are not giving support to the system. However, those Eritreans who truly appreciate the weight of the victory will put it in its context. Everything good belong to Eritrea and its children. Let’s celebrate. After all, this is sports; I’m sure Yemane Tsegay of Ethiopia who came second has congratulated Girmay.

          Eritrean anthem in Arabic, special gift for Gual Adem.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsgAzUCp8c

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday; you said “Eritrean anthem in Arabic, special gift for Guam Adam”
            Correction, sir; I think you meant to say ” special headache” she is depressed that an Eritrean won and Erotrean anthem was in display. The truth. By the way expect a post addressing you very soon. I don’t know how to put it but some way I will. I accept your challenge

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Nitircc,
            Guam Adam? Even copying accurately is becoming a challenge these days and yet you can still be up voted by the person who holds the highest public office. In any case, I’m so happy of the victory registered by Ghirmay.

            Hayat

          • Abi

            Hayat
            Nitricc was up voted because he was talking
            about Erotrean not Eritrean.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,
            Ante zim bel qoy agegnihalehu…
            Don’t think I didn’t see that 1 percenter bileh yamahegnin… 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            My apologies. You are not in one percent. You are in 0.1 percent.

          • Hayat Adem

            Abi,
            “Erotrean anthem”? What a dude! The other day, he asked where the geography of the Tigre is. The the 30%people with largest land share. Erotrean! Ah Abi, throw away your microscope!

          • Abi

            Hayat
            Nitricc doesn’t care about Tigre he has Gojam to care for.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello Hayat

            Honestly, I brought that national anthem in connection to you to get Nitricc out of his victory slumber. Well what I forgot is the fact that I’m driving Amanuel Hidrat nuts at this moment when you guys are all talking about it. He doesn’t like unpredicted twists in the debates.

            Emma:ትኾርምየኒ ኢለካ ብፍላጥ ኣይኮነን ዘምጻእክዋ።

            abi: you said, “Ethiopians see when a joke is coming and played along”
            ተው ብቻ ኣንተ የጸረ ሰላም ሓይሎች ተዋናይ። የጸረ ሽብሩ ሕግ እንዳለ መሆኑ ማወቅ ኣለብህ። ቆይ ብቻ። እናሸንፋለን። የረፑብሊኩ ዋና ቋንቋ ደሞ ትግረ (ትግርኛ) ሳይሆን፡ ትግራይት ይበላል። እንግዲህ ስለቋንቋው ለኒትሪክ መጠየቅ ኣለብህ። በኛ በኩል የኢትዮጵያ ብሔራዊ መዝሙሩ የምንጫወተው ለጀነራል ኣቢ ሳይሆን ለኢትዮጵያ ክብር ስለሆነ፡ በደምብ ነው የምናጥናው።
            According to my friend Belachew, I’m doing well in learning Amharic. Your corrections are welcome, but can’t override Belachew’s say.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mahmud Saleh,
            .
            This will be a good test of your Amharic lessons and confidence building measure at the same time.
            How to transmit the requested information below accurately and precisely.
            .
            Could you describe who is who of all those people and their geographical locations identified with Tig…. ? (Tigre, Tigray, Tigrinya, Tigreyat…..)
            .
            I hope it is not offensive to say it. The old time usage of Tigre for the people and Tigringna for the language of both sides of the border was changed and gone. Tigaru and Amharu are these endearing terms or slurs. What are the proper acceptable terms for both sides of the Mereb river people now to your knowledge?
            .
            K.H

          • dawit

            Dear Mahmud,

            You wrote “I’m sure Yemane Tsegay of Ethiopia who came second has congratulated Girmay. ” What langue do you guess they used
            congratulating each other? It can’t be Amharic, but could be English since Girmay born in 1995 in Eritrea may not have any command of the Amharic. Both of them have a good command of English. But judging from their respective names, it could have (educated guess) been Tigrnya. Could it be also that Yemane Tsegay is an Ethiopian of Eritrean origin? If that is possible then Eritrea might have won two medals Gold and Silver, one from Eritrea proper and the other for a Diaspora Eritrean!
            Cheers!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear dawitom
            I don’t know how many times I have said this: but I like you; I mean dawit without his hgdf politikawi astemhro.
            Language: I think they communicated through Tigrayet. The official language of Ethio-Eritrea. abi will not see this, any way. He is sleeping after a night long celebration of Girmay’s victory.
            Girmay: ኢረትርያ…ያ ጃረት ኣልበሓር…ያ መናረት ኣልኑዳል
            የማነ፡ ወሰደ ጅግና በዓል ስረ…ወሰደ ጅግና በዓል ስረ
            ግርማይ፡- የማነ ሓወይ፡ የቐንየለይ ናዓስ’ከ ኣታ ሰላም ንበሃሃል፡ ብሓባር ንሰኣል። እንታየደኦም ከይንጭዑ (ብትግርኛ)። ነቶም ፖለቲካኛታት ማለቱ እዩ።

          • Abi

            Mr PM
            I celebrated Girma’s victory alright.
            Tigrayet for official language? Is this Abay Tigry a real thing? I never doubted you before, I don’t doubt you now or in the future. Tell me more. What is your capital city? Dedebit?
            TiHilo + humbuchbuch = habzi qulich.

          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks My Prime Minister,
            I love the beautiful kids singing it. I have no issue with the language. I don’t like the lyrics. It speaks less into the concept of people-ness and future-ness. It is consumed about ghedli, sacrifice and animosity- too pessimistic, past-based and zero mention of the people, to be a national anthem.
            National anthems are about who we are as a people and what we aspire to do as a people. It should be more of a symbolic pointer of an aspiration and destiny and centering patriotism of the people, taking moments of pride along the journey.
            everything PFDJ does is always short. Because that is their default. But I remain hopeful and look forward to the time ahead. We’ll write a better and a more inspirational one when the time of your leadership comes. You will lead us to a bright destiny we deserve as a people. Time to for steady and wise hands to hold the steering wheel.
            Hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            Do not me get started with the National Anthem:-)
            It was edited version of EPLF anthem, they change tenses from future to past. In July I commneted comparing it with the national anthem of Canada

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Semere Anbesa,
            Could you please get me that comment of yours about the anthem and repost it here if you will?
            Hayat

          • Semere Andom
          • Hayat Adem

            Thanks a lot Semere.

          • saay7

            Hi Hayat:

            This sounds like an interesting topic. The concept of “nation” is a result of people switching their allegiance from a feudal lord, to a king and from a king to the people. Since this always involved war, and since the nation comes about as a result of bloodshed, it becomes necessary to remind people why this nation must be safeguarded because a lot was paid to keep it intact. The pioneers of nationhood (the French, the Brits, the Americans (sorry, dawit, we are not # 1 on that) have particularly bloody anthems:

            (a) FRENCH National Anthem

            Arise you children of our Motherland,
            Oh now is here our glorious day!
            Over us the bloodstained banner
            Of tyranny holds sway!
            Of tyranny holds sway!
            Oh do you hear there in the fields
            The roar of those fierce fighting men?
            Who came right here into our midst
            To slaughter sons, wives and kin
            To arms, oh citizens!
            Form up in serried ranks!
            March on, march on!
            And drench our fields
            With their tainted blood!

            (b) The national anthem of USA
            O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
            What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
            Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
            O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
            And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
            Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,

            (c) British National Anthem

            God save our gracious Queen!
            Long live our noble Queen!
            God save the Queen!
            Send her victorious,
            Happy and glorious,
            Long to reign over us,
            God save the Queen.
            Thy choicest gifts in store
            On her be pleased to pour,
            Long may she reign.
            May she defend our laws,
            And ever give us cause,
            To sing with heart and voice,
            God save the Queen.

            (d) Even nice nice Canada (at least the French version)
            O Canada!
            Land of our forefathers,
            Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
            As is thy arm ready to wield the sword,
            So also is it ready to carry the cross.
            Thy history is an epic
            Of the most brilliant exploits.
            Thy valour steeped in faith

            One of the reasons that, I think, some Ethiopians think the EPRDF is not as nationalistic as the governments before it is because it has one of the most uninspiring national anthems. It sounds like the lyrics were written by the diversity department of any fortune 500 corporation. There is no reference to Adwa, no reference to the long glorious campaign to stitch the Ethiopian nation state.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Saay,
            I’ll have to re-look on the Eprdf-Ethiopian anthem. Let me say something on the ones you provided here above.
            On the French, the 1st line “Arise you children of our Motherland”; on the 2nd line, “…our glorious day”; the 3rd line, “over us…”; the 5th says, “do you hear [to the people]…”; the 6th line says, “the roar of the fighting men”….I mean every line is punctuated by references to the people.
            I can’t really say much about the British. I’m always repulsed by their unflinching repititve oath and allegiance to the Queen. I don’t know why the British remain unconvinced that so much history and glory is not enough to glue people and the nation together. But even then, “the people are well reflected in the anthem”.
            The US is the champion of people centeredness and hero worshiping in all their official documents, symbols, oath and anthem.
            In the Eritrean case, there is no human element except in one mention of promising to grace it with progress. It is all about the land and the enemy. It is so dry. No heroes. No people. No future.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            Here’s the Ethiopian national anthem, post EPRDF:

            Respect for citizenship is strong in our Ethiopia;
            National pride is seen, shining from one side to another.
            For peace, for justice, for the freedom of peoples,
            In equality and in love we stand united.
            Firm of foundation, we do not dismiss humanness;
            We are people who live through work.
            Wonderful is the stage of tradition, mistress of a proud heritage,
            Natural grace, mother of a valorous people.
            We shall protect you – we have a duty;
            Our Ethiopia, live! And let us be proud of you!

            ===================
            … And this is from the Eritrean national anthem

            Eritera, Ertrea, Ertrea!
            The barbarian enemy humiliatingly defeated
            And martyrdom has paid for freedom
            Decades of devotion for purpose
            Your name became challenger, miraculous
            Ertra, comfort for the oppressed
            Proved that truth can win after all
            Eritrea, Ertrea
            A sovereign state on earth after all
            Dedication that led to liberation
            Will buildup and make her green
            We shall honor her with progress
            We have a word to her to embellish
            Eritrea, Eritrea
            A sovereign state on earth after all

            =======
            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,
            Belew !!
            Eritrea’s national anthem, by the way is full of pomposity, full of “Gura”.. 🙂
            Wait a minute…. ..Who’re you calling Barbarian?

          • saay7

            Ha Eyobai:

            Man, I didn’t write the lyrics. One of the funniest things is when people call me a “nationalist” (chauvinist) because I don’t think you can pay me enough to sing any country’s national anthem–I just can’t get “lost in the moment” because I am too busy mentally critiquing the ridiculousness of the lines.

            Years ago, the journalist Michael Kinsley wrote a critique of America’s national anthem. It is a gem. Here’s my favorite:

            “The Star-Spangled Banner” is notoriously unsingable. A professor of music, Caldwell Titcomb of Brandeis, pointed out years ago in the New Republic that its melody spans nearly two octaves, when most people are good for one octave, max. The first eight lines are one enormous sentence with subordinate clauses, leaving no really good place to take a breath. There are far too many mandatory leaps off the high board (“. . . what so PROU-dly we hail . . .”).

            The melody is lifted from an old English drinking song. The lyrics are all about bombs and war and bloodshed — and not in a good way. By the penultimate verse, the song has turned really nasty: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.” In the first verse — the one we generally sing — there is only one reference to any value commonly associated with America: “land of the free.” By contrast, “home of the brave” is empty bravado. There is nothing in the American myth (let alone reality) to suggest that we are braver than anyone else.

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Hello Sal, Hayat et al.

            Written in the heydays of independence, Eritrea’s national anthem is faithful to the original. Too faithful, even the words are kept with slight changes in tenses. Same writer of the original, Selomon Tsehaye. Please check his great book on ‘awlo, melkes’ featuring the illustrious Ato Negash Sagla and Gebremedihn Bisrat.

            Sal once said, he prefers ‘adeye adi jeganu’ as the national anthem. Pre-1970 Eritrea rarely is useful for Isaias-led Eritrea.

            “በዓል ደማ እናልቐሰ ተደምሲሱ/ Meswaeta b’harnet tedebisu”
            I would contend this is still futuristic. One day, we may look back and think these words are prophetic. Isaias being Eritrea’s ‘beAl dema’ (truly and unequivocally so) and the word ‘harnet’ to mean freedom/liberty which we are aspiring for as distinguished from ‘naxnet’ (independence) which is already achieved.
            All the best,
            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat, Ghezae, Sem:

            Remember the two grumpy guys from The Muppet Show who criticized everything? Every time we discuss a topic that is not about overthrowing Isaias Afwerki right now!, I see Emma leaning over out shoulders like those two guys.

            With that said, Hayat, what is the purpose of a national anthem except to pump up people with nationalist fervour? By that standard, the Eritrean national anthem passes and the Ethiopian anthem fails. You are doing a text review: it is generally accepted that anthems have horrible text.

            If you are a futball fan, you will have listened to your share of terrible South American anthems. I actually got curious once and wanted to know: how can it be this unlistenable (unless you are into Italian opera), it must be by design. And it is! Check out this website which will teach you all you need to know about national anthems and why the Eritrean national anthem is more powerful than the Ethiopian. (At least the EPRDF anthem. The Derg anthem was all socialist and Ethiopia Hoy extolled Ethiopia’s Exceptionalism (chosen by God) long before we ever thought of Eritrean exceptionalism))

            http://www.national-anthems.org/origins.htm

            iSem, all I can say is that as my cousin I love you but as an Eritrean, you are a terrible human being:)

            Ghezae, refer to my note above: national anthems are not supposed to be musically sophisticated or textually lyrical: they just have to rile up people to wrap themselves by the flag. In this regard, the American national anthem has two-for-one: it is an anthem ABOUT the flag:) (“…but our flag was still there…”)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Sorry, I can’t let this go…

            Do you wanna see how the “…sensitivity training alike…” Ethiopian national anthem pumps people? Here it is… Top that with your “..the barbarian..blah blah…” Anthem…

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6CcTVE1H2LU

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Some years ago, we used to sing Derg’s national anthem in that stadium to the disappointment of EPRDF officials.
            We have come a long way.
            Regarding the barbarian thing in the eritrean national anthem, all I can say is they are talking about another country instead of their own aspirations . What else is new?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            I remember those days.. 🙂 I actually had a friend of mine from Ethiopian National Radio (Ye’Ityopia Dimts Beherawi Agelgelot) who got suspended, because he allowed that crowed singing a wrong national anthem to be broadcasted on a radio.. Ha ha.. Good times.. 🙂

            Sal by the way is no where to be found, when I presented him with “evidences” that Ethiopian national anthem actually pumps the people.. We declare he lost this round.. 😉

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            One of these days, I really am going to pay for my sense of humor. For the record, this is Eritrea’s national anthem:

            +++++++
            Eritrea, Eritrea, Eritrea,
            Her Nemesis destroyed while wailing ,
            her sacrifices vindicated by freedom.

            Forever firm in her principles ,
            her name became a synonym of tenacity ,
            Eritrea, the pride of the oppressed ,
            is a testament that truth prevails.

            Eritrea, Eritrea,
            has taken her rightful place in the world.

            [So that] The supreme dedication that brought us freedom,
            will serve to rebuild her and develop her,
            We shall honor her with progress,
            It is our legacy to crown her.

            Eritrea, Eritrea,
            has taken her rightful place in the world.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ertra,_Ertra,_Ertra
            ++++
            I see you getting carried away with the “barbarian” meme, which doesn’t exist:)

            Kaddis, you want to go with Tilahun Gessese’s version? Really? I always thought Tilahun is the Patti Labelle of Ethiopian music:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Forget national anthems..

            We have a new Tilahun Gessese..

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2uRnFiM51E

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            i was one of those people in that stadium.
            It is not something new for Saay to loss. Give him a break.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Eyob,

            I found my eyes full of tears, running over my check. Following this, I watched all his
            songs from round 1 to 4, including “Gelawa” of Hirut and Tadelle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE5Y_2wrinY).

            Thank you very much the link.

            Sorry if you are Tedy Afro’s fan. Yemn Tedy minamin. Dawit ena Tilahun blo zim new!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa T,

            በጣም ኣስገራሚ ክስተት ! ጥላሁን ኣልሞተም ::

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            Please forgive my very gapped follow-ups. Look, Eritrea has a late-comer’s advantage to come up with the very best. I actually believe Ethiopia’s is much better by comparison.
            There are two themes hammered in the Eritrean anthem: punishing the enemy and sovereignty. Magnifying sacrifice and heroism is good but magnifying punishment is the worst approach and spirit unless you have a criminal mind. You don’t sing “I killed for you”; you sing “I died for you.”
            Sovereignty (as in a status of recognition in the UN), once achieved is not a singing commodity. Every nation of the 200+ members has it. It is a minimum thing. You don’t sing for a minimum. To be a recognized human being, you would fight to the last and be willing to sacrifice dearly. Because it is a basic foundation. It is important because you can’t be anything else before becoming a human being. But once you are there, it is not something you sing for and be inspired by it. You sing for the precious and unique elements you shine and stand out.
            Eritrea’s unique and inspirational features are that deserve singing are endurance, beauty, sacrifice, hope (some of the messages are in Abraham Afeworki’s Song: semay).
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            You are even more serious than Amanuel. I think all a national anthem is supposed to communicate is “We are winners: Dont mess with us, because if you mess with us, you will lose.” As long as it doesn’t equate love of country with love of something un-releatable to its own citizens (like Zimbabwe or South Africa’s anthem would be to atheists; like German’s current anthem–German women, German wine– would be to Muslims), it’s fine by me: its all just terrible soundtrack to war, anyway.

            Words? Did you forget the anthem of the Soviet Union with its tribute to freedom and the union of free republics?

            If we are voting now, I would vote for Abrar Osman’s “Dig Eritrea” (it’s in Saho and I don’t know what he is saying except the words which have same meaning in Arabic like “Hurya” (freedom) and “Isti’Emar” (oppression) ) but in the last verse he shouts out “Eritrea! Eritrea!” with such passion and it is equal parts heart-ache and hope: it is the Eritrean theme. I hope a Saho-speaking awatista translates it.

            https://youtu.be/EHpK_kAzJSs

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes saay,

            It is a national anthem issue. Everyone rises up and stays serious for that a minute long thing. How can I not be serious? national anthem is moment of “giveme–emma’s-serious-face”. I think I have a sense of why you are saying what you are saying but you are making it sound as if those words are not consciously and carefully selected, and as if all we have to mind is the amount of the vocalized co2 bulk that bursts out of everyone’s chests.
            But if you thing it is all about roaring out the loudest voice possible, small country’s like Eritrea would have little to offer. But if is about fairness, justice and sacrifice and aspiration, no country is too small.

          • saay7

            Hi Hayat:

            Abi told you that he was at an event singing the Derg version of Ethiopia’s national anthem. I very much doubt that he has fond memories of the Derg; it was probably was a “protest song” to him or, more likely, it is a reservoire of values he associates with fraternity, solidarity, a pre-ethnicized Ethiopia. Or the kissing booth at AAU. It can be any number of reasons but hardly how moved he was by the lyrics/melody of that monstrosity.

            States and organizations used anthems and other rituals (like the minute of silence for martyrs), standing still when the flag is being raised/lowered to enforce conformity. The ritual is more important than the actual quality of the lyrics or melody. I will be impressed by Ethiopian or Eritrean anthem when the people spontaneously sing it when the State is not watching. That’s what I mean by you are taking this all too seriously.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:

            Absolutely right, government should leave the people the hell alone.

            I can tell you what Eritreans sing on the dingy boatsm they recite King David’s Mesmur.
            Here is a speech by an American President, Michael Doglas, a movie

            “Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms”

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob Medhane,
            .
            I didn’t know the lyrics of the Eritrean nation anthem contains insults to Ethiopia. I think Mahamud Saleh, raised the awkward position they are putting us in when HE and their leaders are visiting us for business in the future. Are we supposed to mimic their insults on ourselves.
            .
            I think this problem should be on the agenda of the negotiation table next to Badme and prior to the aseb issues. Actually it is more important than Aseb, if you ask me.
            .
            I know I am tugging the chain here, but it needs to be raised, we cannot have it forever.
            .
            K.H

          • Semere Andom

            cuz Saleh:

            Do not share this with dawit but here it is, the Sudanse National Anthem for what is worth it, if you insist to share with him, remove the first line 😉

            ان دعى داعي الفداء لم نخن
            نتحدى الموت عند المحن
            نشتري المجد بأغلى ثمن
            هذه الأرض لنا
            فليعيش سوداننا
            علماً بين الأمم
            يا بني السودان هذا رمزكـم
            يحمل العبء و يحمي أرضكم

            Translate by the sell outSem Andom

            We are the soldiers of God and the soldiers of our homeland,
            We do not falter when summoned to martydom
            We defy death with
            We pay top price for honor for our land
            May our nation live long among all nations,
            showing the way as a symbol
            Sons of the Sudan, this is your emblem
            shoulders the burden and protect your land

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Andom,
            .
            Is the first line inflammatory? It cannot be worse than what we are imagining it to be.
            .
            I am curious if this national anthem is the same as before the South Sudan became independent. Will it be the same after the Darfur cessation, I wonder.
            .
            K.H

          • Semere Andom

            Hi KH:
            The first line is not inflammatory, I was trying to get in dawit’s nerves who thinks that Arabic is the language of terrorists:-)
            This is the national anthem of sudan has not changed,

          • Dayphi

            هلا يا أسمراني.
            Though not the national anthem of our beloved neighbours, one of their most patriotic songs, If Not The Most Patriotic, is ASBAHA SUBHU written by the great sudanese poet Muhammad El Faytouri. Muhammad Wardi and many other vocalists played it. I hope that one day, when esayas regime is discarded in MaiBela, you and
            i, the awate.com founders and all justice seekers awatewian, will meet in our beloved ASMARA, and sing asbaha subhu in unison, by the Khulafa Rashidoun and Qiddist Maryam Plazas.The poem was a gift to ALL newly independent African nations in early 60s.
            Here it is, ( partially )

          • Dayphi

            أصبح الصبح
            ولا السجن ولا السجان باقي
            وإذا الفجر جناحان يرفان عليك
            وإذا الحزن الذى كحل هاتيك المآقي
            والذي شدّ وثاقا لوثاقِ
            والّذي بعْثرَنا في كلّ وادي
            فرْحةٌ نابِعةٌ من كلّ قلْبِ يا بلادي
            *********************
            اصبح الصبح
            وها نحنُ مع النُّور التقَيْنا
            إلتقَي جِيلُ البطولاتِ
            بِجيلِ التضْحِياتِ
            إلتقي كل شهِيدٍ
            قَهَرَ الظُّلمَ وماتَ
            بِشهيدٍ لم يزَلْ يبْذُرُ في الارضِ
            بُذور الذِّكرَياتِ
            أَبَدًا مَا هُنْتَ يَا إِرِتْرِيَا يَوْمًا عَلَيْنَا
            بِالَّذِي أَصْبَحَ شَمْسًا فِي يَدَيْنَا
            وغناءً عاطرًا تعْدوا به الريحُ
            فتخْتالُ الهُوينَي
            من كل قلبِ يا بِلادي
            فَرْحَةٌ نابِعَةٌ مِنْ كُلِّ قَلْبِ يَا بِلاَدِي

          • Dayphi

            how about we sing the above nasheed while we tearing down the 3ara3eeros, carshiellies, and all prison cells of esayas and his evil regime?

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Saay,
            I’m totally impressed by the content of the Ethiopian national anthem. May be they left out some shining history like Adwa unmentioned, like said, but, the positive force and spirit is carried. You have nothing on the Eritrean part. Look at the first line, disastrous! They are counting one day fighting events into a symbol generational dreams. And the melody so dull and linear. I know musical messages is one of your things, please offer one for free. If they don’t take it, you can save it to the coming government of MS.
            hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            I agree with you about the national anthem of Eritrea. Sal can right the futute anthem, but the current anthem of Eritrea should be like this 🙂

            እርትራ እርትራ!
            ዓዲ ናትሪካይ ዓዲ ዳዊታ
            ደቃ ግዳም ሓደር አብ ሮማ

            እርትራ እርትራ!
            በዓል ደማ ቦቂሉ አብ ከብዳ
            ባሕሪ እንከለአዋ ትመዉት አብ ባሕሪ እንዳ ማታ
            ኢርትራ ኢርትራ!
            ወላዲት ናትሪካይ ወላዲት ዳዊታ
            እንታይ አለዋ ጎደሎ: ወትሪ ቁጽሪ ሓደ
            ሓደ ልባ ሓደ መራሒኣ
            ምልዮናት ወሊዳ እንኮ ዜጋኣ
            እሽሓት ወዲቆምላ ሓዳ ዘውደድኽላ

            እርትራ እርትራ!
            ባሕሪ እንክለዋ ትድረረሉ ዓሳ
            ግን ባዕላ ትኸዎን ድራር ዓሳ
            ምልእተ ጸጋ ዘይብላ መሰታ

            እርትራ እርትራ!
            ዓዲ ናትሪካይ ዓዲ ዳዊታ
            ድቃ ግዳም ሓደር አብ ሮማ

          • Kaddis

            Selam Saay

            I love the EU anthem and how it become. They adopted the loved Beethoven piece with new lyrics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0

            The current Ethiopian anthem is not bad but I wish we have
            adopted Tilahun Gessese’s ‘Ethiopia’ as the Europeans. We could have the coolest anthem…imagine during Olympic wins people groove with it
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNkDF9tsO8

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kaddis,

            I love the fact that kids sang this song for Obama, during his visit..

            I wonder what he thought, when he hears it.. Ha ha .. 🙂

            Sal, any guess?..
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ29qtwZLHs

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Ummmmm. So THAT happened. Guess you will have to wait for his memoirs where he describes that dance as part of Ethiopia’s ancient culture.

            I heard Fanti’s favorite artist, Teddy Afro, was at the state dinner. True?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Hayat

            “National anthems are about who we are as a people and what we aspire to do as a people. It should be more of a symbolic pointer of an aspiration and destiny and centering patriotism of the people, taking moments of pride along the journey.”
            I agree. I always wondered how Ethiopians would take:
            በዓል ደማ እናልቐሰ ተደምሲሱ
            The song was aspirational in its time. It was a liberation song. Its original lyrics said:
            በዓል ደማ እናልቐሰ ንኽለቃ
            Anyway, I don’t want to spoil my celebratory mood, thanks to our hero Girmay. But if you bring it sometime in the future, in a convenient time, we will definitely discuss it. National anthem could be improved and definitely will improve. I don’t even like the marching feel of the beat, and the too simple melody. It could be improved or a totally new anthem could be built. But for now, that’s our national anthem, and it hits my heart enough to get me ticked off.
            You did really well in answering Nitrickay’s ጠንቀምቀም።

          • Abi

            Hi PM
            Ethiopians see when a joke is coming and played along.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Mahmuday and Hailat,

    Leaving the specifics and the individuals that are planted to do the “infiltration” to foil something, EPLF and now PFDJ are so good at it. To dismiss such facts is simply dishonesty. What they have done to the Orthodox church in the diaspora is in itself a good example. They have a long history doing that, and in almost everything they have tried, they were successful. Their strength so far is in organizational skills (be it good or bad) and doing “selela” on forces/organizations that compete with them or against them. Mahmuday you know this very well. Look Bisot, if the one who resign from EPDP, and who went back to Eritrea in less than a year doesn’t give you a hint about the nature and selela activities of PFDJ in the opposition camp then nothing will make you convince about the nature of the organization. Therefore Bisot, if we want justice seekers to be successful we have to know this and others that are making us so far unsuccessful to unite the diaspora people to fight against this brutal regime. Facts are facts no matter we try to dismiss them.

    regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Emma
      I think acts of infiltrations and spying are part of political games. I’m not denying such acts could not take place, particularly in situations such as ours where the existence of an individual or an organization pursuing a different political line is taken as an existential threat to ones politics. PFDJ is expected to infiltrate any organization it perceives as a threat. Starting from churches, communities…all the way to organized political parties/organizations…virtual cyber communities…I expect them to be active in all. I also expect the opposite. I expect every organization worth of calling itself an “opposition” to be working in order to infiltrate PFDJ, to be working in order to bypass PFDJ’s defense fenses and reach Eritreans inside the country, to organize and empower them. That’s just part of the game. And everyone should know that. My comment is not to deny that. However, I’m underlining the fact that we should refrain ourselves from pointing fingers without evidences.
      I read the article of Amanuel Kahsay. He brings three points to support that EPDP is infiltrated.
      1. Efforts to mediate differences between Mesfun, Abdalla and AdHanom. Interestingly, he describes the role of these firures as restoring PFDJ’s rule through a mere act of reforming it. If this is the same Amanuel Kahsay that I know, these acts of mudslinging and blackmailing coming out from him don’t surprise me. And here is the quandary. Who has the right to label another opposition member as an”untrue opposition”? You see, if we follow this path, it is a victory for PFDJ. We are just wasting time on jockeying acts. If we accept this characterization, then those labeled as “untrue opposition” will also be assumed labeling their accusers back in the same manner. And the vicious cycle will keep repeating itself. Hence, the arrows of attack will be directed inwards, towards the resistance camp, instead of getting arrayed outward to wards PFDJ. I believe those THREE figures mentioned are no less of a justice seeking figures than your average opposition leaders.
      2. EPDP internal issues is left for them to sort them out. It’s up to them to see if they are infiltrated or not, if they want their convention in any place they feel accommodates them.
      3. I don’t know Amanuel Hagos (the one mentioned as changing sides to PFDJ), but it appears he is a classic example of a U-turner rather than an infiltrator. People change minds. In your long experience with the Eritrean politics, you have seen many individuals switching sides. They, all of them, would not be characterized as infiltrators, per se, they just changed their minds. It happens everywhere.
      In addition, if we are to take his broad alert on individuals and factions that raise issues of religion, region, ethnicity…well, most of our opposition organizations and cyber debates will automatically be characterized as being directed by PFDJ.
      The point is: such broad allegations don’t serve us well except sowing seeds of suspicion. I tend to take individuals and organizations per their word. There is no clear distinction among the opposition organizations that would raise a red flag. All of them are going through tough time of getting traction.
      As you say:
      BruK meAlti

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Mahmuday,

        While you are agreeing the existence of spying and infiltration, are you saying we can’t talk about it while it is hurting the opposition camp? I don’t understand really not to talk about it even generally. Of course there are all possible way in refuting politics whether it is palpable or not. Are you still dismissing Amanuel Hagos’s turning to Asmara as spy but rather he is a u-turner. How do you prove that he is only a U-turner?

        Regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear Emma
          Emma, in your original feed, you invited us to give our opinion. Please take both of my replies as such. We generally agree that spying and infiltration is part of the game. It’s indeed helpful when an infiltration is identified and targeted with evidence. However, making those accusations without substantiating them becomes detrimental to the overall efforts. It just makes an easy access for those who don’t want to admit their failures.
          On Amanuel: I really don’t know the man and what transpired in between. My take was a general one. I don’t think it’s right to label all who switched sides as having been infiltrators. Most people do it because they give up on the organization they have been associated with. I’m afraid a one man act will not give us the whole story.
          If you will Emma, are you saying EPDP exemplifies an organization that has been infiltrated? Could you say why? Is EPDP particularly playing a bad role in the opposition? Are there exemplary organizations you would compare EPDP with that are doing better? Just Curious. As you know, I’m just a dumb justice ተጋይ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Come on Mahmuday,

            Any infiltration to any organization does in anyway tell whether the organizations is good or bad. Why do you ask me whether EPDP is doing better or not? Is that part of your effort to know my position on the organization? Nay my friend. I expect any organization to be formidable in the quest of the removal of the regime. That is it my friend.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Aman and Mahmuday,

          You guys both know better than us that spying and infiltration is part of an active information gathering, counter strategy and sabotage operations. There is also part of the psychological welfare to make the opponent feel insecure. With this in mind, what aspects of the said EPDP organization’s operations were targeted for infiltration? And how was the organization impacted as the result? Was its recruitment, charter, external relations, policy on critical issues as sanction, COIE… or similar had been jeopardized? Was information on its key leadership movements leaked and used to sabotage it? How was the infiltration so determined? Does an improper action be automatically considered infiltration? Does the organization have any counter espionage checks and balances, how were they breached? Who facilitated the work of the infiltrator? As you see it is complex.

          It also exaggerates PFDJ’S capacity, overlooks inherent failures and blazes red light on the whole organization as it could put at risk the safety of its members. The problem is then replicated everywhere and the whole opposition goes in disarray and turmoil. The point is that we need to be careful when calling red alerts like that. Its handling and defusing it safely is a lot harder and comes at a serious cost to the opposition’s credibility as a whole. So, exposing it is necessary but sounding a severe red alarm without through investigation is more damaging. Let me stop here before straying to the topic I said that I will discuss soon.

          Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hailat,

            I am expecting your article hailat – as you have promised to us. I look forward to read it.

  • Dayphi

    Aron Hawwey :
    we discussed the origin of different jeberties , their ancestors, and kinship with other jeberties in the horn and yemen when we had a heated debate with a gentleman who used ” ‘Gheteb ” as his screen name. He is his Habeshannet denyer, and you can read his and my ( and others ) statements and rebuttals back and forth. In a netshell, jabarties speak arabic, they speak asawurta, they speak tigre, they speak tigrinia, they speak arabic, they speak english, they speak amharic, they speak somali, depending where they live. Nevertheless, they are always jeberties, not tigrinia, not saho, not tigre. Most of them are also content to be referred as habesha. The fact that many of them adopt to kebesa life style and mastered kebesite language doesnt change their jebertnnet.
    It was a good question Aron Akhuy, . again you have to go back to around jan/ feb editions of awate.com for the whole info and disclosure.

    • Dayphi

      dear Aron,

      if you go back and dig those heated debates with ‘Gheteb, probably my comments were under ” guest ” screen name, before i was baptized as Dayphi. so u know.

  • Dayphi

    ye3bikha/khi GideHaki weddey gualey.
    Again, My Age Is What I Tell You Is, NOT What You Think Is. We take his age at face value, since he still could compete at any age, wa salamatkum.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear All
    Congratulations Deqi Ere, Congratulations Girmay G’selassie. No toothless politics no monkeying, this is an Eritrean victory that should be celebrated, I’m just ecstatic. ስጋ ኣቦይ ኢለኩም I’m in a place where I thought it would take me off the internet, but to my dismay and thanks to the power of 4G, the lure of checking Eri-news and awatista would not be easy to resist. And there I find that Girmay won the Gold Medal, WOW!!!!!!!!!!
    I had a couple of punch lines in the past. Two of those lines go like this:
    – All achievements belong to the hard working people of Eritrea. They are achieving those victories despite the totalitarian regime’s chocking policies. And they have to be acknowledged for this reason. In fact , the opposition has to reflect the celebratory mood. There are things that ALL of us celebrate. No politicking, PLEASE, be you a PFDJ supporter or opponent.
    – We should wrest these moments from PFDJ and give credit to those who deserve credit. Downplaying these moments is not right and it even sends wrong signals to the general public.
    Again congratulations to all.
    Now back to the barn.

    • dawit

      Hi Mahmud,
      That was a positive response. We should also give credit the government in spite of its ‘chocking policies’ which made available from its meager resources funds for those hard working Eritreans teenagers encouraging the to participate in world forum to compete and shine, making history to themselves and their country and people. PFDJ government is making it possible despite world pressure to isolate the country, economically and politically with sanctions imposed on the country. PFDJ is keeping the nation together by providing security, education and health facilities to its citizens as individuals or collectively. Those individual achievements did not happen in a vacuum without the Eritrean government good will and positive commitment.

      • Amanuel

        Hi dawit
        This is an individual sporting achievement and all Eritreans should be proud of. I am sure it will help to improve the image of Eritrea, so please dawit don’t try to contaminate it with your PFDJ dirty politics. This is pure sporting achievement, congratulations to Girmay and all Eritreans.

        • dawit

          Hi Amanuel,
          What is your problem if I pointed out the contribution of PFDJ to our athlete, individually or collectively? Are you going to prevent next week when PFDJ organize a hero’ s welcome celebration party to the athletes in Asmara? Believe it or not you will watch the celebration of Eritrean people and their government. PFDJ knows how to celebrate Eritrea’s victory. Stay tuned for the official celebration in Asmara.

          • Pass the salt

            Dawit,
            Surely the PFDJ will organize extravagant reception. Us usual, it will waste the Eritrean ppls treasure on propagandaic fanfare. PFDJ loves this kinds of things because it turns ppl’s attention from the brutal living conditions caused by the regime. That’s also the reason it spends the whole year talking about the never ending festivals.

          • dawit

            Pass the salt,
            PFDJ give the people what they want and if they want never ending festival, they should have it and if PFDJ spends money on what the people wanted then there is no waste of the people treasure. That must be the duty of good government. Give the people what they want.

          • Amanuel

            Hi dawit
            Can you give us a figure how much the PFDJ government received from international sport organisations and how much of it did it pass to sport activities in the country? It is a government which has no national budget let a lone sport budget. Please don’t beat your empty drum.
            As per celebration I have no problem as I think he deserves such reception. My problem is with your mischievous comments. For example you mentioned sanction. Has army section had any thing do with sport?

          • dawit

            Hi Amanuel,
            I have no idea if PFDJ government receives money from international sport organization. and if you know the sources you should ask them how much they gave. Yes may not have published budget, but I know they are building roads, dams, schools, clinics etc. ‘yetim fichew duketun amchiw yiblu Amhara! If that please you UN military sanction has nothing to do with sport! What else do you want to know about PFDJ government?

          • saay7

            Cousin Dawit

            Ha! You sound like Jimmy Cliff (“give the people what they want!”). But how do you know what they want if you never ask them? You know when Wedi tkabo left* Assenna asked him why and he said (paraphrased): “if I am going to listen to you 9 times you have to listen to me once.” Now check out every “seminar” every “facts on the ground”, every “symposium”, every “festival” that PFDJ runs: it’s always talking, lecturing. It never listens.

            saay
            * that a musician has to leave the country (defect, they call it as if he is a soldier) just to register his opposition to PFDJ policies tells you that there is no space for an Eritrean to disagree with PFDJ and be left alone to live in his own country.

          • dawit

            Cousin Saay,
            You mentioned two of my favorite great artists, Jimi Cliff and Wedi-tkabo.. Let me tell you a true story I heard from a close friend from the Caribbean. Once Jimi Cliff was to give a concert at one of a small Caribbean islands at a music hall in the island, for paying customers, but also he wanted to give a free concert to the prison population in the island. But the authorities refused to accept the free concert for the prisoners. Finally a compromised was reach that he will give the prisoners concert outside the prison gate with loud microphones that it will be heard inside the prison wall. Jimi Cliff was a pioneer in Reggae Music long before Bob Marley made it popular internationally as music of Ras Teferians. Jimi Cliff’s did not liftoff, I think he converted his religion to Islam, which was not popular or mainstream religion in the west including the Caribbean. I think Wodi-tkabo might have followed Jimi Cliff’s route concerning his career.
            Now, cousin, politicians talk what the people want whether they are elected or not, but always do what they think the people want. Most people did not want their country to war with Iraq in fact they opposed it both in US and the West. But the politicians went to war to protect their people against Weapons of Mass Distraction (WMD) (Mushroom Clouds) from Saddam Hussein. So what PFDJ does is not different than almost all governments do.

          • Amanuel

            Hi dawit

            ዱቔቱ የግልህ ከሆነ ልክ ነህ። ነገር ግን ዱቔቱ ይጋራ ክሆነ ለህብረተሰቡ ዱቔቱ ከየት እንደመጣ ስንት እንደሆነ የት እንደትፈጨና ለህብረተሰቡ እንዴት እንደሚካፋፈል የመግለጵ ግዴታ አለብህ። It is called “ACCOUNTABILITY”.

            Thanks, there is nothing I need to know about PFDJ, remember (I think you have short memory) I was brought up by them, luckily for me, I have escaped before their virus got to my whole body.

            Here is one source of funding from FIFA.

            http://www.fifa.com/development/facts-and-figures/association=eri/financial-assistance-programme.html

            http://www.fifa.com/development/facts-and-figures/association=eri/index.html

          • dawit

            Hi Amanuel;
            Why are obsessed about Eritrean Government Budget? What difference will it make to a citizen if it is published or not? All governments in the world advanced or not, they collect tax and spend it on various projects, that they consider important to the society. If they don’t collect enough the borrow and spend it, and if they can not find anyone to lend they beg for charity and spend it, if there is no one to lend or to beg, they simply print money and spend it. No citizen has input or question where the money comes or spent. In US the federal government has reached 19 trillions? and adding by the second. What can a US citizen can do about it, if the government defend the country, and build roads and provide other services? Eritrean government is no difference than any government in the world! I have heard by Kibrom Dafla on Assena Radio on the lack of Eritrean Government budget. At the end I say So What!

          • Semere Andom

            Cousin Daiwt:
            You said you were an economist, I wonder from Where? My guess would be from Sawa or Nacfa macro-eonomic department. What you just told Amanuel is pure baloney and that is what you guys teach the young. Please do not say these things here, you are free to read it to your kids as bed time story
            Government fall and parliament dissolved on budgets, the people have a say through their elected parliament. The governemnt (excutive ) can only implement what is approved

          • Amanuel

            Hi dawit
            If you really believe what you wrote above, there is no ground for me to continue debating with you. Your idea is medieval and has no place any where except in PFDJ Eritrea.

            Good day

          • dawit

            Hi Amanuel,
            As it wrote it above it is applied by every country in this modern world today. That is why we experience world financial crisis every day, today in Greece, tomorrow in America and the day after tomorrow some other region, when governments inflate the money supply more than the value of real goods and services they produce. Any way there is no need to discus the issue further.
            Thank you and Good day also to you.
            dawit

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Salam dawitom
        Thanks for the reply. My position is one that believes that if Eritreans are let to form a government that they elect and fully support, the country could do an even better of a job on all the tasks you mentioned and that’s without all the abuses associated with PFDJ. You can’t just pick achievements in sports, you should also mention the monumental failures in sports when teams after teams of abscond, when individual sport professionals refuse to return to their country.
        Education: You will also need to mention the hundreds of thousands of educated young men and women who are risking their lives to flee their country; hundreds of highly educated professionals who don’t return from their scholarships, or conferences abroad. Sadly, they include doctors and professors.
        Security: You will also have to mention the abuses that are exacted on the Eritrean people in the name of security and by those security apparatuses. You will certainly need to mention the abuses of powers in the name of security, including the government’s dragging of feet in implementing a constitutional governance. But it just occurred to me that despite all these I should praise our government. And here it is:
        ኣየ’ወ ይካኣሎ ህግድፍ ይከኣሎ
        ዝብኢ ጫካ ዘይብሉ ጎደሎ
        ነቲ ሓደ የሳድድ ንግዳም የባርሮ
        ነቲ ካልእ ይቕፍድ ብዘይገለ ይኣስሮ
        ንመንእሰይ ጸንቂቑ ንኣረግቶት ይኸትብ
        እንዳማሕቡስ ከፊቱ ይዓጹ እንዳንባብ
        ንሓዉ ዳጒኑ ዝዛተ ምስ ጓኖት
        ስድርኡ ኣጸልሚቱ ከብርህ ንካልኦት
        ዘመነ-ግርንቢጥ ዝብልዎ፡ ተካል እዋኑ
        ተጻዒኖምና ከያኽሎምስ፡ “ወድሱና” ይብሉ።

        • Kokhob Selam

          Mahmuday,

          ተጻዒኖምና ከያኽሎምስ፡ “ወድሱና” ይብሉ። ‘ታይ ገዲፍካ ይበል !

        • Dayphi

          وا محموداه
          كاتب وشاعر ايضا؟

          a writer and a poet. What a talent!

          ماشاء الله. يخزي

          • Dayphi

            ما شاء الله. يخزي العين

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Dear Dawit,

        Just like other truth-loving and justice-seeking Awatistas have said, these achievements are made possible in spite of all the hostile policies of the PFDJ towards Eritreans. Imagime how much could have been achieved if it were not for the tragedy called Isayas and PFDJ, that have befallen the Eritrean people for the last two decades?

        • haileTG

          hey Abraham,

          The problem in PFDJ land is:

          1 – If they condemn you to some misery, you must have done something wrong

          2 – If you achieve inspite of that misery, they must have done something right

          In both cases, no evidence is given, simply put, all blame is yours and all credit is theirs. How pathetic!

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Hailat,

            That was a befitting description of the wierd and twisted state of mind of the PFDJ-gangs and their blind followers in the diaspora.

    • Semere Andom

      Dear MaHmud:
      In deed!. People when given the opportunity can unleash their God given potential and so far Eritreans have shone on the areas the government is not interfering, running and biking. But if Eritreans keep succeeding in these areas, PFDJ will bun it.
      If this triumph happened in Eritrea without the PGDJ grip, the women of Sahel and Sal’s favorite village in Eri (Himeret Kolboy):-) would have sung this young man, but is too late here so cannot remember my Tigryat line:-)

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Semere.
        SAAY says Himeret Kelboy to get SGJ, AH… and kokebay started.
        Thanks for that observation, indeed, these athletes remind us that the grand prize of unleashing young Eritreans’ potential is still untapped, thanks to PFDJ’s rule. Just imagine what could happen in all areas when Eritreans’ minds are liberated and their limbs are unshackled.

        • Semere Andom

          Hamada:
          Saay was fond of Himeret Kolboay way before he rebranded himself as Saay, way before KS and AH came to awate, I suspect that is were he drank halib ensa when he crave it “jellato”

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Semere
            That explains his phobia towards swords and sword dance. He must have had a bad encounter with those guys (seb aseyef/asyuf) in and around Himeret Kelboy while ducking under the Arkebkobay eating his “jellato.”

          • Mahmud Saleh

            merHab Semere
            Look how Girmay summarized what we are complaining about: he said if the coaches and the federation do what’s expected of them, he said not only one but Eritrea could achieve more Gold Medals. I have to appreciate this young athlete. This is my first time to see Eritrean professionals living in Eritrea to openly criticize the system.
            Very proud of you menesey Girmay.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT0a8E06CHk

        • Semere Andom

          removed

    • Abi

      Mahmud
      It is official!
      Teqlay Mimisteru meznanatachewun aquwarTew leJegnaw athlet destachewun geletsu. Mengistachewum asfelagiwun digaf endemiseT qal gebtewal. Ayayizewum wede beretachew memelesachewun geltsewal.

  • Dayphi

    ” Last month Isaias Afwerki visited Saudi Arabia on a trip facilitated by President Omer AlBashir of Sudan, to discuss the Yemeni…. ”
    Selamta Gedab News.
    Are you referring to his visit in April, or he made a second visit last month ( probably on Lailatul Qadr ) that i am not aware of?

    • Dayphi

      I’m sorry dear moderator. I thought it will give some giggle to you and others on this beautiful sunday. I guess i would be the worst Letterman of the Habeshas.

  • Saleh Johar

    Selam Amanuel
    I do t think I should be debating Gedab as an indidual. But I know that Gedab takes all feedback into consideration. Only that it is not willing to discuss its news as if it is an opinion content. News are published and it up to the reader to receive it in anyway. Though your feedback is very much appreciated, I do t think it’s proper to debate every feedback. Just rest assured the feedback are taken into consideration.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Saleh
      I am not asking for a debate. What am asking is to take action to address your shortcoming and change of attitude when you are dealing with critics. And one mire, don’t promise if you can’t deliver. Once you achieve or try to achieve this your news item won’t be up for debate.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi readers:
    This piece is news worthy with it analysis but by first trashing it , dawit is spamming this section to break the record of 1000 comments, he is flooding us with videos where fat people from the diaspora are dancing, where singers are dancing alone in the field when the so called Sawa boys and girls are no where to be seen.
    All lies and is meant to distract from the the topic of the article, we cannot be 100 percent on topic 100 percent of the time, but you should figure dawit’s(pfdj) tactic by now.
    No one will be unhappy when the young Eritrean wins Marathon, but succeeding in running is not going to solve our problems, we did not invent running, it was invented when man was created. And what is big deal about it to be so much to be obsessed and be delusional about it, every single Eritrea should win the Marathon, after all it is running and we have been practicing running for 50 years, we run from HS, from Dergi and the kids are running from PFDJ now. And succeeding in sports as good entertainment as it is it did not free the blacks from their ghettos and it is not going to free us from dawit and his tsemam hade derfu, we are number 1

    • Pass the salt

      “No one will be unhappy when the young Eritrean wins Marathon,”
      Boy, that is the most pessimistic and dull statement I’ve heard about our athletes. Eritreans, even Ethiopians, rejoice our sport victories and you are saying “no one will be unhappy?. Man, Semere, come on! You should be celebrating.

      • Ted

        Hi, PTS, “even Ethiopians, rejoice …..” It is my guess Semere didn’t get the memo from his handlers.

      • Peace!

        ሰላም ኣሕልፍ ታ ጨዉ,

        ኣይገርመካን! I mean the easiest way to reward our athletes is simply by recognizing their hard work and accomplishments. Is that too much to ask? ከመይ ድዩ ትምቅዋም-;)

        ብሩኽ መዓልቲ

        • Nitricc

          Hi Peace and PTS, hahahaha. Peace; the meaning of opposition in Eritrean dictionary is that you oppose everything, even to the truth in its self. who will be unhappy with what this Eritrean kid has done? amazing !!
          few years back i was watching 10000 meters race and it become up to one Ethiopian and three Kenyans. When Kenenissa left the Kenyans in to the dust, i was screaming at the TV in support of Kenenissa and i was happy for him and for Ethiopia and Ethiopians. what do you say and how you deal when Eritreans come out and tell you that they are not happy because one their own is a winner? it is sad!

          • Pass the salt

            Nitricc,
            To his credit, Semere Andom is NOT unhappy about GG’s victory, it’s just he is not happy either. In other words, he is indifferent. You got to give him some credit:)

          • Ted

            Hi PST, Semere didn’t get the memo TPLF guys here happy for us.
            Hi The Greatest MS. How is your vacation.
            Shouldn’t we be taking a solace in Ghrmay’s Victory when our country is taken as a lost cause by our bad friends. I don’t think Ghirmay is criticizing the Gov but asking the chance to get a visa for training outside Eritrea like Daniel and the cycling team who were denied the opportunity of life time, that is what i undrestood from what Girmay said-).I think i have a long way to go to be a true opposition:)

          • Peace!

            Dear Nitric,

            Politics and sport should not be mixed. I am not a fan of Ethiopia’s oppressive puppet regime, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect Ethiopian athletes. In fact, I had a chance to meet Haile Gebreselassie in a flight heading to Paris from Addis back in 2010; I told him ” I am so proud of you” and managed to get his autograph on the book I was holding (Of Kings and Bandits). He was very cool guy.

            Regards

    • dawit

      Dear Cousin,
      Take it easy, why do you get angry, when Eritreans get pride and celebrate in their national achievement. I am afraid it may be a disease that scientists have not discovered yet. You may need to chew few leaves of Chat to calm yourself.

  • dawit

    Selamat to All.
    Wrapped in the Eritrean flag, Ghirmay Ghebreslassie races to victory in the men’s marathon at the IAAF World Championships, Beijing 2015. “Here the race was difficult, but we Eritreans never give up until the finish line” – Gold Medalist Ghirmay Ghebreslassie. (© AFP)

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Do you want to know, why the Yemeni refused to shake hands with Isayas. Here’s the answer.

    The world appears to have set a trap to catch all those leaders who are considered to be posing continuous problems to the world. The trap is by associating with the actual North Korean or the African North Korean.

    So, it is impossible to associate with Isayas without being accused of atrocities/crimes. No wise leader would dare to cross the line of association. Look at what happened to the Sudanese leader.

    The Djiboutian, the Kenyan and many others refused to associate with Isayas despite the Qatari fat offer of money to entice them into the association with Isayas.

    What is scaring these leaders? Like they say, wise leaders learn from other’s mistakes (example: the Sudanese leader). Thus, associating with Isayas makes them feel like joining the club of countries accused of mass atrocities.

    No doubt, there is a claim of innocence on the part of Isayas. Isayas blames all the wrongs on those in office. Wars on neighboring countries were declared by those in office while he (Isayas) was out of the country. Atrocities/crimes committed, if any, were committed without his order or his knowledge.

    Therefore, the system is run by the Dirty Practices of the Entrust Personnel (DPEP).

    Data of atrocities in Eritrea soon will be completed. A calculator of AVERAGE ATROCITIES per entrusted person has been devised from the data and research. It assumes its takes 3 (three) horrible atrocities to blackmail an entrusted person into blind loyalty of Isayas.

    The atrocities calculator, DPEP = Blackmail constant + atrocities coefficient X years in office.

    Blackmail constant = 3

    Atrocities coefficient = 30

    Year in office = Years served as loyal to Isayas in office

    The formula for DPEP = 3 + (30 x years in office)

    Examples of average atrocities committed per a loyal:

    For a loyal in office for 2 years = 3 + (30 x 2) = 63 atrocities

    For a loyal in office for 10 years = 3 + (30 x 10) = 302 atrocities.

    • Michael Tesfamariam

      T.T arkey
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  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Mahmuday, Hailat, Saay, and others

    We always complain about the opposition camp as to why they could not make “a united effort” to remove the Issayas regime in order to emancipate our people from his grip. Anyway, besides the “mistrust” I always tried to explian as one of the major reasons, Amanuel Kahsay also brought another reason, a stumbling block that is worth of reading, for you and the entire awaitistas forum. His account is on the role of PFDJites, and how they infiltrate in the opposition camp to weaken their struggle. Taking as an example of EPDP’s path and the persisent setbacks they are facing, Amanuel gave a solid explanation and a factor that contribute to the ailment of the opposition camp. Below is the link and wish you a good reading.

    http://togoruba.org/togoruba1964/mainTogorubamap/mainMap/headingMap/2015/1507AK5-03AT.pdf

    Regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear teacher,

      “ሓደ ካብቲ ብልሕታትን ናይ ነዊሕ ተሞክሮታትን ስርዓት ህግደፍ፡ ብኸመይ ንኻልኦት ኤርትራዊ ፖለቲካዊ ሓይልታት ተዳኽምን ተምክንን ምዃኑ፡ ናይ ኤርትራ ፖለቲካ ዝከታተል ዘበለ ዘይዝንግዖን ብተደጋጋሚ ዝቐሰሞን ትዕዝብትታት እዩ። ህግደፍ ዝጥቀመሉ ቀንዲ ሜላ ድማ፡ ሰባት ንስለላ መልሚሉ ተቓወምቲ ተመሲሎም ብኸምይ ናብ ፖለቲካዊ ይኹን ሲቪካዊ ውድባትን ማሕበራትን ይሶልኩሞ፡ ምስጢራትን ንጥፈታትን እቲ ዝተሶልከ ሸነኽ ብውዑዩ ብምትሕልላፍ ተኸታታሊ ዕማማት እናተዋህቦም ነቲ ትካል የማህምንዎ፡፡ ከምኡውን ብዝክኣል መጠን ቁልፊ ቦታታት ናይቲ ዝተሶልከ ሸነኽ ብቐጥታ ድዩ ብኢድ ኣዙር ተቖጻጺርካ፡ ነቲ ማሕበር ወይ ውድብተልምሶ፡ እንተዘይተኻኢሉ ድማ ከምዝፈናጨልን ነንሕድሕዱ ከምዝባላዕን ትገብሮ እዩ። ” very true.

    • haileTG

      Dear Aman H,

      I was thinking what to say here by way of feedback, there sure is no easy way out. PFDJ eliminates so many on trumped up charges of being “traitors” or “infiltrators”, and every other political organisation does it too. The youth organizations routinely call each other PFDJ/Woyane infiltrators as the case may me. Even the civil society are at it too. My infiltrator charge, as it were, would be limited to commenters here because we don’t actually know each other. When that is extended to members of an actual organization, it tends to be risky. Because, once it is asserted that an organization had been infiltrated, then there is no point to associate with it or have any more time spent in it unless you then know the full extent of the infiltration, how it happened and what the impact had been. Above all, until you are sure that you can restore confidence on it again. Hence, unless people are lightly throwing about such accusations, a lot is expected on them by way of credible case, or the burden of proof is on them. The strange twist is then that such an allegation in itself becomes a potent means to damage the organization’s credibility than the actual damage alleged to have occurred as a result of the alleged “infiltration”.

      Another fact of the matter is also that for example an Eritrean infiltrating another Eritrean organization on behalf of his own is really not an infiltrator per se rather an immoral criminal. I can join PFDJ tomorrow, and I will be permitted because I am an Eritrean. I can also leave PFDJ and join another one of its opposition and I will still be permitted because I am an Eritrean. That becomes a basic entitlement that goes a long the responsibility that the situation in the country is as much my concern as is the next Eritrean. If I am playing Eritreans against each other, I stand to sustain as much loss as the next Eritrean because I am part of it. Hence, we may need to be clear about this whole infiltration issue outside of the cyber. My next piece will be on Expanding Political Spaces and “what” as well as “why” they matter. I will put it in sometime soon.

      Regards

  • S.Tesfa

    Regards,

  • S.Tesfa

    To all,
    Best Regards,

  • dawit
    • Nitricc

      Hey dawit. you better believe it. he left them all in the dust. what is most amazing for me was, his energy and his confidence. i watched the last few minutes and the kid never looked back; he just kept running. just do your thing and no worry about a thing is the product school of Sawa. at 19 to win this thing is very much something special on its own. last month every kid in Eritrea picked up the bike after Dani and Kudus thing and this time around the kids in Eritrea will take off on foot. it is good for the country.

      • Fnote Selam

        Hi Dawit and Nitricc,

        The case of Eritrean cyclist and runners is actually prove that government needs to give Eri youth some space and freedom so that they can fulfill their potential.

        FS.

        • haileTG

          Dear FS,

          Isn’t the regime’s plan of wasting the youth in menial jobs under the “sawa” cover meant to stifle their potential? The rare achievers are those who made it despite the regime’s hurdles and traps laid for them. The sports men/women have to pay their own transport if by some miracle they are allowed to practice abroad. They also have to put down collateral of 100,000 NKF. When many of them are demoralized and relocate to refugee camps, the regime denies that they are Eritreans, but when one or two break through all its barbed wires (so to speak), the regime plaster them all over the place in the hope of improving its international face as Africa’s barbaric monster. The regime is most likely to hone its acts of repression and demoralization more when it sees some have gotten away, than do the opposite and the right thing that you suggest.

          Regards

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Haille,

            You are absolutely right. I was just trying to ease and Dawit and Nitricc to the point you just made. Otherwise, even in case of athletes, there are many many of them whose potential was/is hampered. For example, Dawit Haile was the best cyclist in Asmara in the early 2000s. I dont think Eri will see as good a rider as Dawit for a long time. To give a context on how good he was; you know, due to the fierce competition (and animosity among rivals) in cycling in Eri, rivals would almost never refer to each other by name let alone give praise to the opponent (yes, it was that fierce). However, with Dawit, all that taboo was broken, his rivals were openly saying that he gives them nightmares in their sleep, He was that good. Anyway to get back to my point, due to the uncertainly on how gov of Eritrea treats the youth (including athletes) around 2003/4 (i think), he and 3 others chose not to return to Eritrea after they went to Swiss for education and training. With that his cycling career (and those of many others) went down and he never fulfilled his potential. This is just chilfa kab bahri.

            Anyway, it is very clear to every one that gov of Eri has nothing to do with success of our athletes.

            Best,

            FS.

          • dawit

            Dear Fnote,

            Your are contradicting youself all over.
            This what you wrote “due to the uncertainly on how gov of Eritrea treats the youth (including athletes) around 2003/4 (i think), he and 3 others chose not to return to Eritrea after they went to Swiss for education and training. With that his cycling career (and those of many others) went down and he never fulfilled his potential” This is a clear story of those who are misguided with false picture of Eritrea, people like Dawit, not only hearted their career but were used as a tool to sabotaged Eritrean images. The wise ones like Daniel, Merhawi and Ghirmai, their rise to reach their potential and become pride of their nation.
            Who do you think pay the expenses of running the Sawa, training center of our youth to be Champions if is not the Eritrean government? Yes Eritreans achieving high in spite of Sanction put on them by UN and others.

          • Fnote Selam

            Ala Dawitom,

            I was going to explain to you what lead Dawit and 10s of thousands of Eri youth to run away, but instead of that lets propose a little (I hope would only be hypothetical) experiment. I believe Daniel and Merhawi are in Eritrea right now and Natu is in Spain. What do you think Natu would do if the gov decides to send Daniel and Merhawi to Sawa (or Wia, Gahtelay or….) to do their national service with no guarantee that they will ever be demobilized?

            Best,

            FS.

          • AOsman

            Dear Fnote Selam,

            In that event Natu will cut off his picnic, pack and leave for Eritrea before the bus for Sawa leaves. Why would he avoid such an opportunity of a lifetime. I see so many YPFDJ who sacrifice their only break in the year to spend it in Sawa. HIJIS ABZIHKUMO with this Sawa criticism.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi AOsman,

            The problem with Dawit and Nitricc is ( I admit I dont know all their story) that they dont seem to have been in a position where the hasad gov screws up all your family, ambitions, dreams, hopes, health…the very person you are.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Haile, you can’t even let it go and enjoy the moment? a 19 years old Eritrean kid just made history. come on man! don’t ruin the event.

          • haileTG

            Hi Nitricc,

            Who in the right mind can’t be happy for such fellow citizen? The problem is how hgdefites play this childish game of “I am more happy than yo hence more patriotic than you” nonsense. If any of these sports men/women were to end up in peril, Hgdefites are the first to tell us they are actually Ethiopians. We’re all happy, except that it is not manipulative happiness as the parasitic hgdef but true happiness, unselfish happiness, natural happiness is what we feel. We obviously see all Eritreans when we see one Eritrean and they see one Eritrean (IA) when ever they see those Eritreans who succeeded of their own accord.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile, i don’t think you are hearing me. What does PFDJ got to do with this? the kid won and be happy and give the kid his due. that is all i am saying. no one is talking about PFDJ but you and there is nothing to do with PFDJ. this is sport. when the whole soccer team defects, you people blame the government; when a 19 years Eritrean kid come out no where and stuns the world, blame the government. do you think it is healthy? come-on Haile, you know better.

          • haileTG

            Hey Nitricc,

            The athlete has done an amazing job and that is that. What PFDJ has got to do with it is what it always does, i.e. push the young athlete aside and steal the limelight for itself. The PFDJ’S role in the lives of our youth, not only has been and still is, negative but criminal. The PFDJ has no credit to take in this and I don’t like it when it is the PFDJ who reminds me to celebrate, because as far as I am concerned. Now, here is the sick thing, why it is ONLY regime supporters who use sports or other such like achievements to try to sling mud on others? I know PFDJ is dirty, but isn’t this a bit too dirty? Respect the athlete and PFDJ need to stay away from hijacking his big day. So, I hear you laud and proper, you need to join me in condemning PFDJ in the strongest manner possible, for victimizing these athletes in general:-)

          • dawit

            Hi HTG,
            That is not true, In celebrating the Daniel and Merhawi victory celebration, they took the center stage on the peoples’ celebrations. PFDJ only provided the stage and Eritrean music artists did the magic.

          • haileTG

            Anta dawit arkey,

            If PFDJ did that sort of thing, i.e let the Eritreans take charge and back off, it would have become one the most powerful African regime with a muscle to reckon with. The PFDJ wanted us to go back behind the curtain for it to bath on the limelight and everything is history after that:-)

      • saay7

        Hey Nitricc:

        Actually, even veteran runners “look back” to see who is coming behind them: it is instinctive. Check out even Mo Farah* (who won the 10k @ Beijing), or Meb Kiflezghi at the Boston Marathon. What is more amazing about Ghirmay is his eye of the tiger: absolute, total concentration and seriousness: at 19!

        Here he is entering the stadium (how the runners enter the stadium was confusing, according to the announcers: but not to Ghirmay.) Check at the 21:15 mark, Ghirmay has the presence of mind to demand the flag as he goes for the winning lap. Phew!

        * Come on Ethiopia, pick it up:) Also, don’t tell Abi, but there is an Ethiopian running for… Bahrain.

        https://youtu.be/RFLHd9ksIK0

        saay

        • Abi

          Saay
          Bahrain ?
          Is it an Arab land?
          An ethiopian running for the arabs?
          He must be an ethiopian Askaris. In Amharic sekaram abesha.
          Tewaridna!

          This kid is really impressive ! Can you
          Imagine the pressure running against THE GREAT ETHIOPIANS ?
          He has a great future in Ethiopia.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Abi,

            What happed to the Ethiopian runners man? It has to be the most embarrassing thing ever to happen in Ethiopian middle distance race history. I saw an Ethiopian runner being lapped in the 10k race. That was nauseating to say the least.

            Congrats Erireans on their first marathon victory today!

          • Abi

            Hey Y T
            We sent the bench. That is all. The “A” team is on vacation.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,
            no they are not in vacation, it is all because of you -they are busy learning English to replace Amharic Lol. I will officially blame you for that.

          • dawit

            Hi Kokhobay

            Do you mean they went to Sawa to learn English? Read what is being discussed at ethiopianreview on the topic.
            http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=103010
            Abi is trying to avoid when top Ethiopian athletes need for chains of interpreters to express their feeling in the world media. No more need interpreters for interpreters, give scholarship to Ethiopian Athlets to learn English at Sawa,

          • Abi

            dawit
            Teach English at SAWA ?
            Ewayyy! Anta dehan Do? dawit hawey abidu!

          • dawit

            abi,

            it is not me who is suggesting that but Ethiopians who made the observation and comparisons between dedebit university graduates and sawa graduates.

          • Abi

            dawit
            I don’t doubted it even for a second that SAWA graduates excel in military training.
            I am sure you send your children to SAWA instead of dedebit university.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo I love you. if only you start typing in Amharic Fonts..the only crazy man I love in my life is you..Lol. now forget about Sawa and see this 15 years old hero from Ethiopia. the video was taken in 1935 or 1928 Ethiopian calendar. He speaks English but loves his culture including his nation.

            የኔ ኣንበሳ የኔ ጀግና !!!!

            ጀግናው የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ላገር ለድንበሩ ዘብ የሚቆም በባህሉና ደንቡ የሚኮራ የራሱን ቛንቛ በማስቀደም የሌላን ቛንቛ የሚማር ህዝብ ነው ይህ ቪድዮ በ፩፱፫፭ በኢሮፓ ኣቆጣጠር የተሞላ ቪድዮ ነው ልክ ፻ መሆኑ ነው ስማው ኢንግሊዘኛ ሲናገር ያኔ የ፩፭ ለግላጋ ወጣት ..

            https://www.facebook.com/biniam.hirut1/videos/864724146914810/

          • አዲስ

            Hi Kokhob,

            I hope we’ll get more info about that boy in the future. What a brave boy. That’s my Ethiopia.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi ኣዲስ,
            Sure you will. This is Ethiopia. and Hi, this is Habesha. I know some are crazy when the hear the word Habesha due to recent complicated history. but my friend we have to be proud of Habeshanism.

          • Yoty Topy

            Abi,
            I guess we can’t be expected to be #1 on everything.Right ?

        • haileTG

          Hi saay,

          That was amazing and calm to the finish! Gebresselasie of Eritrea:-)

          • saay7

            Hey Hailat:

            This kid! He came in second at the Hamburg Marathon in rainy Hamburg in April. Although he came in 2nd (breaking his Personal Record (PR) by a minute and half), look at the painless expression on his face and compare it with the agonized face of the winner, Kenya’s Lucas Rotich. This suggests one thing: Ghirmay needs just a few more runs and he will pace himself better.

            Start at the 2:13:00 mark…

            https://youtu.be/YhF8A_Q4jj0

            saay

            * April was an amazing month for Ethiopia’s runners, men and women, who dominated Vienna, Paris…So, calm down, Abi:)

          • Abi

            Saay
            What is this ? “Anger Management ” all over again? ” Calm down!”

        • አዲስ

          Hi Saay,

          This is a devastating start from Ethiopia on Beijing 2015. Even our guys on our trademark 10K was nowhere close to the podium. Edme le Dibaba lijoch. This time Genzebe will do her thing. I believe this is the weakest team representing Ethiopia in a long time.

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            But that’s what makes long-distance running an amazing sport: you could have someone who is favored to win withdraw because of injury, or not show up because he is saving his energy for the next big run or underperform because the weather is too windy, too hot, too cold, rainy and then an underdog shows up to steal the limelight. But I have never, ever seen an Ethiopian lapped by someone else so… it was just a bad day. “Algayat akther” yilalu Abi’s enemies, the Egyptians.

            saay

        • Fenomeno

          No one is going to question whether this guy is really 19?

          I am asking this without wanting to downplay his achievement, winning the marathon is something big, regardless of how old you are.

          He introduced the ‘no-look finish’, just as there is the ‘no-look pass’ in football.

          Great finish, he also seems to have written a message on a white paper and showed it to the public, which is also quite uncommon. The paper stated something like: ‘dont stop untill your at the finish line’. Not sure who it was meant for.

          • Pass the salt

            Hey Feno,
            He will be 20 in a couple of months. He was born in 1995. Not hard to remember – 2 years after referendum and 1 year after the 1st round national service went to Sawa. If he is not telling the truth, don’t you think his family or his neighbors will say ‘hey, u were around when we were bidding farewall to ur brother going to Sawa:)

          • dawit

            Hi Fenomeno,

            I think it refers to the typical Eritrean history of ‘tsnaat’.(ጽንዓት). Never give up . The Eritrean Camel will reach its destination no matter the distance, the terrain, rugged mountains or flat desert,.the weather condition rain or shine, hot or cold. A lesson learned at the liberation of the country by Ghidli and now thought at Sawa in defense and construction of the country.

          • saay7

            Hey Frenomeno:

            The “don’t stop until you are at the finish line” is a universal message from marathon runners where the goal for most is just to finish (setting winning as a goal is just for the elite of the elite) .

            Anybody who finishes a marathon is suddenly preachy:) I have a sticker on my lap top and it reads 26.2 (the distance in miles of a marathon.) When I go through airport security, sometimes I get asked what it means: is it a radio station? So one day, this security guard said wait, and he reached out for his sticker: 50. Beyond the marathon is the super-marathon of people who run 50 (FIFTY) miles. Not kilometers but miles. Freaks:)

            I am waiting for Eritrans to win the triathlon (combination of running/bicycling/swimming). We got 2/3 down…swimming is, um, a challenge for now.

            saay

        • Nitricc

          Hey SAAY; you are absolutely right, his determination can be read from his face and eyes. I also listened to his brief interview and his command of English is very good. for a high school student, that is very good. I also personally think his shut-down concentration and determination has a lot to do with the hero reception Dani and Merhawi got. I thought the Eritrean government did marvelous job by giving the reception those two cyclists got.
          It is not so much for Dani and Merhawi but it will greatly encourage future athletes. the likes of what we have witnessed with GG. what a great job!

          • saay7

            Hi Nitricc:

            Speaking of English language proficiency…. Score 1 for Abi and Zero for Eyob, KH and Fanti. Let me explain.

            The Meles Zenawi Symposium on Development (African Democratic Developmental State) was held in Kigali, Rwanda. Panelists: AfDB, Ghana, Ethiopia, Rwanda… But that’s not who stole the limelight. In the audience is Semhal Meles (Meles Zenawi’s daughter) and she asks a question. What the question is about is something that will interest Sabri (sovereign bond) but that’s not my issue. That she, like her dad, has the brain power to think in complex paragraphs is not the issue. This is. She asks the question in perfect English–better than Hailemariam Desalign*, better than Paul Kagame.

            But, like them, she was born and raised in her native land. So, how was she able to accomplish this? I am betting 1,000 Nakfa that she went to a private school that uses English as Medium of Instruction (EMI.)

            saay

            * Dear Hailemariam (and 85% of all Habesha): the “b” in “debt” and the “b” in “plumber” are silent. Habesha please.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            I was enjoying it and nodding my head all along until “EMI…of course, got her the scholarship to Stanford.”

            I remember a news headline on ETV ones about an Ethiopian refugee who “made it all the way” to Boston, attended a University, and married this cute looking “love of her life white guy” whom she met in that university. Why did I bring this? the news was presented as a success story “against all odds,” and the “whiteness” of her “love of her life” was specially emphasized.

            If a young lady from one of the most politically savvy household studies English at home to get a scholarship at “Stanford,” what hope is there to build our own Stanford except to perpetuate the dependency indefinitely?

            However, the way things are right now, the need to go to Europe and the US for study and for better opportunities is understandable, but my argument is that it should not be the ultimate goal of subsequent generations, because it is a major weakness not a strength whatsoever. We cannot create our own Stanfords and Harvards by abandoning our own language and heritage. It only sets us for dependency forever.

          • Ted

            Hi, Saay, are you the people who think fluency in English language translate in to intelligence. Wrong my Haweye, ዓገብ. The stat doesn’t help your assertion. Those students in Private schools in Ethiopia don’t fair better in higher education than the public ones for the amount of money they spend hiring foreign teachers. You have to take my word for it, i know this and them, being the privileged Eritrean livied In Ethiopia 🙂
            It is only in habesha land having heavy accent found to be a killer of composure/self -confidence in what we know. Saay, are you habesha too;) I don’t blame you that i see it has hold a lot of brilliant people back in Western countries. But in Our native land what we need is the ability to understand the technology and apply it. it is a serious sickness we need to cure when it comes to language. As fanti said our obssesion in English is for all wrong reason( to impress)..

          • saay7

            Hi Ted: I am going to be brief because I am getting warning that I am double thread-jacking which is bad for a moderator 🙂 what came up in the symposium was this: a country needs to have technology-transfer to move from low-income to middle income; then it must innovate in technology to move from middle income to high income. The question is: how does language facilitate this? Feel free to use our own example of Eritreans learning Italian to learn the language of technology during the Italian colonial period and then, frankly and brutally, access the technological innovation of Medeber Metal works. Once you do that, do not reply 🙂

          • Nitricc

            HI SAAY, Smhal Melles was educated in Oxford University. what is surprising if she spoke fluent English? to me when Girmay Gbresilase from Gash-Barka a high school student; that is the surprise.

          • saay7

            Hey Nitricc: she was? I didn’t know Oxford University ran a K-12 school in Ethiopia 🙂 you are mistaken but I always love you being wrong passionately.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SAAY, hahahah; i guess this was in Addis K-12 class. i will get back to the rest of the take of yours. you are so wrong, we will have to at it on this one. but for now, can you identify Semhal for me please?

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vln6zP6f_NM/TsqCHtmDo5I/AAAAAAAAA4k/yccRe8pkF7M/s200/Semehal_Meles_at_Oxford_2007.jpg

          • saay7

            Hi Nitricc: I put out a bet for 1,000 nakfa that she went to a private school k-12. I am betting 5,000 nakfa now that is Nazareth (catholic school) in Addis. Wanna take that bet? Meanwhile, Fanti is still waxing poetic about Amharic curriculum like that would have prepared her for her major in Econ. The thing is (and this is true not just in Africa but in the U.S.), all the people who talk about the grandness of public education and mother tongue out education somehow find a way to send their kids to private schools and missionary schools and EMI schools. And before you start complimenting yourself about PFDJ: that’s what all the ministers and generals do and I don’t blame them one bit. The first priority of a parent is not to his country or his religion but to their children.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Here is the rumor of the “Oxford” started…

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gmEmryaheLk

            I guess, as a closet Ethiopian, you understand Amharic better, so…please translate for the rumor mongers with the right context.. 😉

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I am not a “closet Ethiopian”. I am out of the closet Ethiopian because Dawit liberated me and said you can be Eritrean and Ethiopian. So beqa case closed. That u guys don’t give dual citizenship is a technicality. Ethiopia yegarachn ertram yegarachn.

            Now, sneaky Eyobai, I don’t need to translate because the rumor mongers understand Azeb and Amharic better than me. u are trying to change the subject. Let me ask you: where did Meles daughter go to school, primary and secondary, and what’s the curriculum there?:) is it EMI?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Actually, if you read what Ted said carefully, you would have understood our point. In Ethiopia, those who are the most successful, are those who went to public school. Those Ethiopians, who made a name for themselves around the world, overwhelming number of them are those, who went yo public school. I can even name three or or four or five overachieving Ethiopians, who are your favorites, who are products of public schools….. So..the issue is not, where this young lady was educated or her fluency of the English language. What was impressive on her question at that symposium was her grasp of the complex issue of bond market, her composure and confidence to question PM Hailemariam, Kagame and the Ghana vise president. That did not happen, because she went to EMI school. It happened, because of who she is. I can give you one example. Yonathan Tesfaye, the blue party spokesperson is not a product of private school. Yet, he is as fluent as her in English language. The difference between him and her is in a public sphere, his penchant of saying appallingly stupid stuff. For example.. “..Throwing stone at the police is a natural phenomenon that the police should accept, and if the police can’t take that their fitness to serve is in question..”..That kind of stupid statement was made by him in a perfect American accent that rivals Semhal’s. The same thing with the zone 9 guys, too. Though they are very careful if not saying stupid stuff like that (they actually are very smart) most of the speak with a fluent American accent and guess what? They are public school products… My point is you can’t judge someone’s aptitude fairer, as you do, just because one goes to a school that is EMI. Therefore, though it needs improvement, our public school system is fine with preserving our native languages than “ferenjigna”… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I DD read Ted and I am reading you. He is not as sneaky* as you but you guys are confusing absolute with relative. I seem to recall that Meles went to Point Four, one of President Trumans grand Afeican achievements. And you haven’t answered the question: where did Meles daughter go for primary and secondary education?

            Saay

            pS: leave semayawi party alone. Dear god what more do u want after ur meto be meto elections?:)

            * don’t think I forgot when we were talking Amharic proficiency in Ethiopia how your percentage of 80% was based on landmass and not population. Sneaky dude.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Ha..you really don’t let that go, do you.. 🙂 Yes..she has gone to EMI school, because as you heard her mother, she did not want her to go to a boarding school in Britain, when she is so young, even if she got a scholarship to girls boarding school in Britain, when she was 6th grade.. 🙂 But, at the same token, if you hear that interview again, she said her other two children went to Lycée Gebremariam, which is FMI (French medium instruction) So, how does that fair?…Are you subscribing the entire European language to Ethiopia? Ha… Take that… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Thank you. Hope Fanti is reading and I expect to collect from KH. In dollars.

            Did you say take that? Really Eyobai? Remember when Ethiopia was famous for its beautiful women? Guess who made it to the top 10? Our Minister of Information tweeted it because apparently that’s one of his job descriptions:

            http://onthe4.com/top-10-countries-with-most-beautiful-girls-in-the-world/

            We are number 6 Dawit not number 1 according to some cometely arbitrary list from a completely irrelevant website.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Eyoba,

            Thank you, Dr. Eyob. Am I laughing or am I?

            “…That did not happen, because she went to EMI school. It happened, because of who she is.”

            That has been my entire argument; regarding the people or the language. It creates opportunity, an opportunity we have failed to create our selves, but learning to acquire any “knowledge” is not dependent on any language. English or otherwise. Besides, aren’t there Americans who can hardly perform simple arithmetic even after graduating from college?

            ya hulu chinklat yet askemito naw endih yemiyaderken?

          • Ted

            Hi fanti, i don’t know if we are talking the same thing anymore(Saay and Eyob seem to go back and forth to set records) but if i understand you about English and knowledge, let us look at the technology and research centers of a given state and see who is working there.

          • Fanti Ghana

            hello Ted,
            I am enjoying being on Eyoba’s side for a change. Although it is coming out in bits and pieces, but what I have been trying to say is that the knowledge is not dependent on the language. The Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, and the Chinese are some examples. I understand the necessity right now when one strives to go to foreign country for better everything, but that is exactly what needs to change, and it cannot change if we simply continue to neglect our language.

          • Abi

            Fantish
            I know you don’t know ethiopia. No surprises!
            Where do you think the rich send their children in addis?
            1 -ICS ( International community school. AKA American school)
            2 – British school
            3 – German school
            4- L. Gebremariam. French school
            5 -Italian school
            6- Indian school
            The above are international schools.
            Add to these the likes of St Joseph, Nazreth, St Mary, etc etc
            All the above are very strong in their curriculum and language instructions.
            There are more schools for the rich I did not mention.
            Ted, you went to a private school in addis while yeinjera gagariyachihu lijoch ( your half brothers and sisters ) went to Shimelis Habte. Why?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            We are talking about the same thing eko. Why we have to send our kids to these schools is a result of combination of problems and mistakes we made in the past.

            I am saying let’s not continue with this trend, because it will always make us dependent. Which is good.

            You are saying this is good for present opportunities, so let’s continue with it even full time. Which is bad.

            That’s all.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Eyob,

            You raised some valid points here. Having said that, as somebody who went to public school myself, I attest to how terrible the methods of teaching English are in those schools. I believe the government have also acknowledged this and trying to mitigate the issue by sending English teachers to summer courses at government universities. Good start but more need to be done, probably overhauling the whole English subject curriculum from 1st grade all the way up.

            One more point I want to raise is that there will always be good students be it from public or private schools. Just because you can point out some who has a good command of the English language, doesn’t necessarily mean the public school system is doing a good job. We know the majority of public school graduates are poor in English. That’s a fact. A better way of teaching English in our public schools goes a long way in alleviating the issue of incompetence.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Eyobay,

            Saay was correct when he said “she, like her dad, has the brain power to think in complex paragraphs” and here her mother is telling us ” Ye Meles Chenkelat teshto lijochachin mestemar Nichelalen.” she (and my be him also) were looking from the Ethiopian people to relieve him from the responsibility to go to his private life. Amazing story.

            regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay7,
            .
            Did you go to a private school when you were at the homeland? Does having a private tutor qualify as a private school? If not I want that 1000 in real money, dollars.
            .
            K.H

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam me,
            .
            I meant to say “birr” instead of dollar.
            .
            K.H

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            I think she went to Sandford in Addis, which basically is like going to some private school in the west.

            Just for the kick of it, read below the tuition fee at Sandford. It’s divided in two categories. National and International Students. I was going to add up the numbers to see how much it would cost to send a kid there from nursery to grade 12, just the thought of it scared me s**tless 🙂

            Fees Schedule for Academic Year 2015/2016

            National Students Tuition Fees per Term (ETB)

            Nursery…………………..9,709
            Reception………………..14,905
            Years 1-2………………..15,703
            Years 3-6………………..16,437
            Years 7-11……………….19,193
            Years 12-13………………20,152

            National Students Tuition fees per Year (ETB)
            Nursery………………….. 29,127
            Reception……………….. 44,715
            Years 1-2………………… 47,109
            Years 3-6………………… 49,311
            Years 7-11………………. 57,579
            Years 12-13……………… 60,456

            Admission fees:-
            Siblings: ETB 33,000
            New Students: ETB 55,000
            Capital Levy: ETB 4,541

            International Students Tuition Fees per Term (USD)
            Nursery………………..$2,870
            Reception………………$4,473
            Years 1-2………………$4,641
            Years 3-6…………….. $4,641
            Years 7-11……………..$5,422
            Years 12-13…………….$5,700

            International Students Tuition Fees per Year (USD)
            Nursery………………..$8,610
            Reception……………..$13,419
            Years 1-2……………..$13,923
            Years 3-6……………..$13,923
            Years 7-11…………….$16,266
            Years 12-13……………$17,100

            Admission fees:- USD 3,115
            Capital Levy:- USD 366

            N.B. There are three terms in a year.

          • Abi

            Addise
            I beg you to remove this post . You are showing how much Fanti and Eyob are paying for their childrens’tuition.
            Imagine how much ICS cost per year? I don’t want to know.

          • አዲስ

            Abi,

            Didn’t know Fanti and Eyob belong to the 1 percent club 🙂

            Here’s the ICS annual tuition fee for 2015/16. All in USD. Enjoy 🙂

            Grade Total Tuition and Fees for New Students
            Early Childhood $8,800
            Kindergarten – Grade 5 $27,815
            Grade 6 – Grade 8 $30,540
            Grade 9 – Grade 10 $31,210
            Grade 11 – Grade 124 $32,150

            Grade Total Tuition and Fees for Returning Students
            Early Childhood $8,800
            Kindergarten – Grade 5 $21,9153
            Grade 6 – Grade 8 $24,640
            Grade 9 – Grade 10 $25,310
            Grade 11 – Grade 12 $26,250

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Abi

            Addise
            Thank you. I really enjoyed it. Eyob and Fanti are indeed from one percent and want to remain one percent.

  • dawit

    Dear Abi,
    In Ethiopia you don’t get Green Card, but Yellow card a warning card before you are given the Red card to be deported and loose your citizenship..

    • Abi

      dawit
      That is beautiful.
      Do you think the color of an eritrean eye is red? In that case no warning necessary.

      • dawit

        Abi, You should have asked that question your late PM Meles. Unfortunately he is six feet below ground at Selassie church in Addis. I hope the new Ethiopians road engineers run rail way line over his tomb.

      • dawit

        Abi Correction ! “I hope the new Ethiopians road engineers do not run rail way line over his tomb”. Abi Do you think EPDRF cadres eye color is “green” why we don’t have peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea?

  • cool

    Dear Andom ,a national Langauge of a nation is not decided by religios feeling of some part of a population, the national langauge is a langauge that is spoken in the wider population as mother tonge AND THAT IS ALL, there is no referendum or the like obout this issue ..even in Indonesia were the moslim population constitutes about 87% ,the issue is not on the tabel wether Indonesia has arabic as a national Langauge.
    The question as to why this issue has become explosive on this page ,is because some of our moslim brothers have some kind of inferiority complex ,specialy those who identify themselves as moslims, but as the same time belongs to Tigrigna ethnic group.

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    • Ali

      Dear cool,

      what do you mean at the same time belonging to Tigrinya group? Eritrea consist of different ethnic groups and Tigrinya is an ethnic, not a national identity. Therefore, not all ethnic are from Tigrinya group who only represent one beside they share the same culture/language of those from Tigray region in Ethiopia. If you are talking about the Jabarti who are been merged under the Tigrinya category by the regime then why not ask them if you believe they should merge. If they refuse to associate with Tigrinya then it is up to them whom I encountered all of them have this view and we respect that because it does not concern us.

      I don’t want to be rude but I will clarify it to be more clearer, it has nothing to do with inferior complex. It is to do with marginalization that the other ethnic felt abandoned in Eritrea because they are not recognized as a national identity. The problem with some Tigrayans (assuming like you) is they do not understand, this dictator had excluded all of the ethnic out of the system while the Tigrayans are recognized as a national identity, hence all the dominant gains they have in the country today.

      This is the problem about this kind of portrayal in the country to the world, the society in Eritrea today is largely defined by “Tigrinya” by language, culture and the social class because the rest of the ethnic have been disconnected by the regime.

      No offense but we are all aware that the dictator has an agenda with the Tigrinyazation of Eritrea which started in 1982 when the JEBHA (ELF) was dismantled through brute. The new generation Eritreans and the older generation (before the 90s when Isaias barred refugees and diasporas coming in justifying they were ELF fighters) have proved it, it caused a huge impact within the language barrier.

      Ahmed Nasser/Osman Saleh Sabbe who were the last prominent leaders before the collapse of JEBHA tried their best to negotiate with mafia led bandit EPLF and to recognize the whole ethnic as a national identity during the “civil war” but the Shabia led Isaias Afewerki refused and stood to his own ethnic. I do not want to go there but it should be enough for you to understand the whole story about this deceptive war.

      Also, I thought the Tigrayans today let this behavior go but it seems they still hold this mentality since the era of union party (Shifta) who viewed us as aliens and claimed we were gonna sold our land to the Arabs just because we speak Arabic, how sad. They act as if Arabic is to do with religion when in reality, the root of the Arabic language was deeply attached in Eritrean society before the mafia led bandits (EPLF) took over. The era of shifta reign of terror still affected us today especially the elders.

      I blame the lowlanders for flourishing under the Ottoman protectorate and stood while the formerly Saho home region of Kebessa (sadly not anymore) from the encroachment of Yohannes IV and Ras Alula. I also blamed the Beja who caused the disintegration of the MLeague before the rise of the ELF. I also blame the ELF who were divided through ethnic lines which caused the rise of the mafia led EPLF due strong one based ethnic policy within in the front, thus were organized.

      No wonder why this dictator is still in power today. The disease of this “ethnic line division” must be removed.

      • Mussie

        Ali,
        You sound Jabarti . It is ok to be Jabarti, however we all know Jabarti is part of Tigrina. They just happen to be Muslims. Jabartis are Muslims Tigrina who want to create thier own ethnicity because of thier new religious beliefs.

        • Ali

          I am Saho, not sure why you come up with this term. We use the term Jabarti, everyone use them. I can understand why Tigrayans refuse this term but this isn’t our business anyway.

          Peace out.

        • Pass the salt

          It’s ‘Jeberti’, not ‘Jabarti’

        • Peace!

          Dear Mussie,

          You said ” We all know Jabarti (correction “Jeberti”) is part of Tigrina” are you sure? What about the Sudanese, Yemenis, Somalis Jebertis? Are they part of Tigrina too?

          Regards

          • S.Tesfa

            Dear mussie,
            The Jeberti in Eritrea speak Arabic and Tigrinya, while the Jeberti in Ethiopia speak Tigrinya and/or Amharic.The languages belong to the Semitic branch of the Afro-Asiatic family.

          • Mussie

            According to Wikipedia. Com
            The Jeberti (Tigrigna) also spelled as Jabarti, Jaberti, Jebarti and Djeberti) are a Muslim[1] ethnic group inhabiting the Horn of Africa, mainly Ethiopia and Eritrea.

            History

            Islam was introduced to the Horn of Africa early on from the Arabian peninsula, shortly after the hijra. Zeila’s Masjid al-Qiblatayn (Two-mihrab Mosque) dates to the 7th century, and is the oldest mosque in the city.[2] In the late 800s, Al-Yaqubi wrote that Muslims were living along the northern Somali seaboard.[3] Among these early migrants was Abdirahman bin Isma’il al-Jabarti, the forefather of the Darod clan family.[4] Al-Maqrizi noted that a number of the Muslims settled in the Zeila-controlled Jabarta region, and from their slowly expanded into the hinterland.[5] The Jeberti in Ethiopia and Eritrea trace descent from these early migrants. The term Jeberti in Eritrea and Ethiopia is also sometimes used generically to refer to all Muslim inhabitants of the highlands.[6]

        • Dayphi

          Dear Mussie. You are wrong. Jabarties are who they tell you they are, not who you or Esayas think they are. Little humbleness and learning is good. Learn from Jabarties who they are. Dont assign to them their identity. That is victious and they dont appreciate your classification of who they are. It is Esayas dictatorship that cornered them with tigrinia. And that cornering not only of jabarties,but of many others, is to crumble down with the fall of esayas and his shiftawi widdib. You can continue claiming they are tigrinia, but only as long as this regime exist. Because that claim is based on lie and dictation from top, Esayas and his deqqe mezamurt.

          • Michael Tesfamariam

            Dayphi, if Jeberti are not Tigrigna, where would you want to put them under? Eritrean ethnic groups are mainly classified based on the language they speak except Rashyda,, but all the rest are called by the language they speak. So accordingly, Jeberti must be under Tigrigna too, there had never been an ethnic called Jeberti in Eritrean. Normally, Muslims from highland are traditionally called Jeberti, but now, some Eritrean muslims in the diaspora want to create a new ethnicity which is strange to me.

          • Dayphi

            Dear michael. The whole classification of ” bihers” under language is flawed, unaccepted by majority Eritreans, and it is another mischeif of sha3biyyas regime against Eritrean Muslims. People specially eritrean muslims do not appreciate cornering their entity on identity or ethnicity under the language as same language, like Tigrayet can be shared by so many different people. So, with sha3biya demise, their categorizing of our people into 9 groups will go to file 13. FOREVER. jabarties will be jabarties, Neberas will be neberas, asawurtas will be asawurtas, ag’azians will be ag’azians, beni 3amers will be beni 3amer, mensa3 will be mensa3, meronites will be meronites, and otbers will be other, all as they wish. They will be known by their tribe/clan or their area. like muhammad jeberti,
            3amer kerenai, abdella naib musawwa3i, Hummed Degleli, and so on. as for kebesites, i dont know, but i assume, Ar’aya weddesmera, habtom meronawi, Idris 3abiy 3addi, and so on. OR they can stick to the word ” Tigrinia” as reference of their ID. Freedom is indivisible, and it is not given by scoop, manca, esayas style. His ethnic grouping is to divide eritreans in general, but muslims in particular, as we see dividing them into 8 mini groups and jabarties in his tigrinia biherr.. Kiss goodbye to that detrimental act when we goodbye his regime.

      • cool

        Dear Ali, i think ELF as a freedom fighter was just an agent of the Arabs who wanted to at least neutralise the strong Orthodox ethiopia and to give rise the then minority population of moslims in the horn.This has not succeded, not because Isaias was very smart but because the leaders of of the elf was too crazy.They accomodated more religios
        Agendas than the liberation of the Land.One ELF fighter who still alive told me a story it goes so : Once up on a time , in the field the fighters found an animal und caught it alive , as they were hungry ,they agreed up on to eat the animal. then came the Hot question who is going to slaughter the animal ,a moslim or a christ?the moslims insist that they will never eat the meat if slaughtered by christ ,and as they were dominant in number they did it according their wish, and the christs have to swallow the bitter pill or to hunger.
        As more highlanders joined the struggle and experienced more or less same stories like above then they started to ask, why are we here? Why is the military training given in arabic? and so on .. then came the real revolution, a revolution where both regions and all ethnic groups were equal, that cleared the path to free ERITREA.

      • Adorab

        Dear Ali,
        You said “I also blamed the Beja who caused the disintegration of the MLeague before the rise of the ELF”
        The Muslim League never disintegrated but they were hunted and murdered by the Andnet, Kebire was murdered, Idris Mahamed Adem and Ibrahim Sultan (both Beja) were forced to escape to Cairo, Egypt.
        Yes there where som disagreements between Haraka and The ELA on how to improve the resistance against the enemy and the majority wanted Eritrean Liberation Army which resulted to the Eritrean independence.
        If you wanted to know about disintegration and the dark history of the revolution, I advise you to read about the crime of Saleh Sabbe and Isayas Afwargi. My advise to you is to read more about Beja. Beja is not only the tigre speaker in Eritrea, it is more than that.
        Br,
        Adarob

    • Dayphi

      dear cool. you are back to square one, though many have made the distinguishing between turkish, malysian and indonesian muslims and eritrean. Calling Eritreans with some kind of inferiority complex?
      shame on you. Infact, the only person i see with that complex is the one who denies others their right and dectates to them their identity, and forces them to learn the language he wants them to learn i.e. Esayas and you. Read memhr Ahmad Raja: I AM WHO I TELL YOU I AM, NOT WHO YOU THINK I AM.

      • cool

        Dear Dayphi, memhr Raji is right ,you are who you tell me you are, did i say you are not eritrean? i ony said eritrea is not arabic and will not be. Be proud of your eritrean identity and donot try to copy arabic culture and language.try to argue that any other langauge like tigre saho or bilen shall be eritrean second natíonal langauge then i would well come you. Arabic Language and culture should not be our role model because it only implies backwordness barbarism.

        • Dayphi

          dear cool. no one said eritrea is an arab or an english nation. You dont have to be american or qatari to learn english or arabic. You and your kind dont have any mastership or teachership on me or my kids what language we should use in muslim populated regions. And trust me Arabic will not be taught in da3ro qawlos or tsa3da khistan, or deqemHare. Not even in Asmara,unless the people there demand for it. I am NOT proponent or lobbyist of introducing Arabic to be a National language or Official language of Eritrea as a nation or of any of Kebesa cities and villages. This topic isof language and religion in eritrean politic is now closed . You can read my multiple inputs if you want on that title that hit the record of entries in just one week, and am not going to engage with you on this goose chase acrobat. Definitely not on this beautiful sunny Sunday. Same advise goes to Mussie. Leave jabarties/ jeberties talk for themselves. Do not try to be more knowledgable of them than they are. They didnt interfere in your choice of naming your ethnicity or tribe.Reciprocate same respect if you like to be respected. Cool: do what is good for you and your kids. i will do what is good for me and my kids. Enjoy the day.
          Case closed. Lets discuss the new topic. His excellency’s work visit to Doha.

  • Kokhob Selam

    ዝኸብርኩም እንዳ ኣዋተ :

    እዛ ብሓይሊ ስልጣን ሒዛ ብዘይ ዝኾነ ሕግን ስርዓትን ትመርሕ ዘላ ብደም ዝጠልቀየት ድሕርቲ ግጅለ ህግደፍ:- ገና ከምቲ ኣብ ገድሊ እትኽተሎ ዝነበረት ኣሰራርሓ እያ ተሰላስል ዘላ :: ነዛ ክብርታት ኣልቦ ጉጅለ ምኽዳዕን ኣሉ ቀጣንን ተሓቢእካ ንኻለኦት ምህሳይን- ብህይወት ደቂ ገርሂ ልባ ምጽዋትን ፖለቲካ ኮይኑ እዩ ዝስመዓ ::እኽብካብ በጋሚዶታት ዝኽተልዎ ፖሊሲ ንዓረብ ሃገራት ሚስጥር ክኸውን ኣይክእልን እዩ :: ኣብ ውሽጢ ‘ዚ ዓለም ለኽ ሓያል ፖሎቲካዊ ቁርቁስ- ኣመንዝራዊ ኣካይዳ ምኻድ ኣብ ታሪኽ ጀግና ህዝብና ኣሉታዊ ምዕራፍ ከየመዝግብ – እዛ ጉጅለ ከምዘይትውክሎ ዝገልጸሉ መገዲ ክረክብ ኣለዎ ::

  • dawit

    I love it! I love it! Forget Qatar Awatistas, Travel to Beijing China where “King of Marathon” is Created at 19 years old, the youngest Champion of Marathon History! from Eritrea!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear dawit

      ኣብ ማራቶን ዝተመዝገበ ዓወት ሃገረይ ኣዝዩ ዘሕብን እዩ :: ልዕሊ ኩሉ ዘገርም ኣብ ትሕቲ ምውትን ትንፋስ ኣልቦን ስርዓት ኮይንካ ነዚ ዓወት ‘ዚ ምዕትዓት እዩ :: ኣብ ክሊ ዕድመ ግርማይ ዘለውን ኣብ ስደት ከርተት ዝበሉን- ኣብ ሰሓራን ባሕርን ዝጠፈኡን ዘኪርካ ድማ ክንደይ ዓወታት ክምዝገብ ይኽእል ከምዝነበረ ይር ኣየካ :: እዚ ዓወት እዚ ነቲ ኣብ ዓለም ኣድናቖት ዘትረፈ ኣበበ በቂላ የዘክረኒ – ኣብ ትሕቲ ንጉሳዊ ስርዓት ሃይለስላሴ ::

      • Rahwa T

        Congratulations KH and all Eritreans !

        great runner – Ghebresilasse of Eritrea

        • Kokhob Selam

          Thank you Rahwa T,

          Thank you.
          by now we see how much Habesha in general are strong in athletics. there must be one common cultural food or land position or similarity of body like the strength of heart and lungs , bones and even the moral (that plays also high role in making someone to continue in such difficult sport). what makes me happy is when Ethiopian runner win Eritreans enjoy the victory and similar when Eritrean win Ethiopians enjoy the victory. isn’t the sign of love and oneness that creates this filling? of course ! we are one in two nations.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            We are two in one nation.
            Regarding our athletes strength, I think it is from their lungs. Since we mostly live in a higher altitude where there is less oxygen, our lungs are naturally trained to sustain the pressure of long distance running.
            Dr Saay can explain it better.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            do you say “We are two in one nation.” Lol! that was when Mengstu Had a horse named Abi. Abo, I caught you. Lol.

            thank you though, if it is the lung then it is the same with the heart I think. the heart gets Oxygen from the lung. let’s wait for Dr.Saay for more explanation.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            That is a good one except you didn’t try to disguise it. Besides , you don’t find me defend mengistu. However, if you insist you could have said abiyot is the horse name of mengistu.
            Now, tell me IA’s horse name.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,
            instead of Abiyot you remain Abi as yot – yet ,,,megstu yet hede? zombabyot….Now, my president have a lot of horses. don’t think it is only Nitricc – he also uses donkeys and camels. don’t ask what are the names given – I will be in trouble with Selam.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            IA’s horse / camel name is Ghedli. He knows he can’t get off Ghedli’s back.
            Don’t kill me now. It is Sunday.

          • dawit

            No we are poor and the only way we can come out of poverty is by running, proved first by the great Abebe Bekila, who was promoted from a private to Mikitil meto aleka, after winning the marathon in Rome, which made him to afford to buy Volkswagen beetle..Running is the only sport that does not require expensive tools, all you need wake up in the morning and run, run,,run,…till you get tired. You can even win with out shoe with your bare feet, as Abebe Bekila did it in his first Olympic marathon run in Rome.

          • Abi

            dawit
            You have a point here. Is this the reason why thousands of eritreans run to come out of poverty? Why suffer in eritrea? Run, run,run…

          • AOsman

            Dear Abi,

            I remembers learning about VO2 max at school and something about the shape our red blood cell … so I though I had that special thing in me and I represented my class at the end of year in the 800m running, what a waste……..I should have refused unless over 10000m (the gene works for such distance only)……………did consider the 100m, clearly it was no go area, full of horses.

            This race had nothing to do with our special gene, it was an Ethiopian chasing an Eritrean (Un-Eritrean thing), what did he wisper in his ears at the start, I am still wondering about this conspiracy!

            Congratulation to Ghirmay, may he keep us proud for years until the next Warsay takes over.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            AOsman
            Tell me about chasing an eritrean.
            Cherish this moment. This is the last time you will ever win in the presence of an ethiopian. Are you kidding me?
            This time we let the kid win. Don’t get used to it.
            Lij yiroTal enji abatun ayqedmim . Balege lij kalhone besteqer.
            Again, congratulations !
            This victory is so monumental it brought the PM back to his barn. He had to cut his romantic vacation short to the disappointment of First Lady Mrs Saleh.

      • dawit

        Dear Kokhobai,
        Like any human being Haile Selassie had strengthens and weaknesses. Abebe Bekila, would not had a chance to make history if he had not joined the Imperial Guard force (Kubur Zebenga) where he was given the chance to train at Jalmeda. Haile Selassie brought Ethiopia from ‘Donkey Age’ to ‘Jet Age’, in just one generation. He made Addis the capital of Africa. Similarly in Eritrea, the Sawa boys and girls are making history right and left in the world. Unfortunately few are misguided, they are running towards Sahara and Sinai Deserts instead of Tour de Frances and World Marathon Olympic competitions and make history to themselves and Eritrea.

        • Abi

          Mezmure dawit
          I thought Abebe Bekila was in the legendary Ethiopian Air Force. I’m not sure. since you are first ethiopian , last eritrean, I give you the benefit of the doubt.
          Congratulations! He is officially the number one in this competition.

          • dawit

            Dear Abi, You don’t have to doubt about this, he was practicing at Jalmeda with the famous Wami Biratu before he got a chance to run at Rome. This is an eye witness account, as children we used to run with them. You may be confusing with another great Ethiopian marathon runner Miruts Yefter who was with Ethiopian Air Force recruited in Asmara as a guard.

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            From today on you are gashiye. Abebe bekila’s son is older than me . You watched Abebe practice?

          • dawit

            Abi,
            Oh Yes Mamush, I spent many of my early schooling time skipping classes and running at Jalmeda, watching the Police Marching band learning and practicing music. That was also the time my parents almost gave to educate me, I played marble (Biy) allover Addis. If there was a completion in marble games for children at the Olympics. I could have been the gold medalist.

          • Abi

            Gashiye
            No way! When it comes to biy, I am the one and only. But, if you represent ethiopia, it is all yours.
            I know your heart is in ethiopia. Is it the coffee?

          • dawit

            Abiy
            May be the Chat, the national leaf of Ethiopia. When it come to coffee I like Eritrean. On biy, we can share the title, I am the specialist on ‘sedo masaded’ or ‘mor’, representing Eritrea and. I give to you the ‘kest’ or ‘gudguad’ titles representing Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            daniel
            I am good in both. I prefer gudguad.
            I didn’t know eritrea grow coffee. Are you still number one in the world in coffee export?
            What brand coffee do you export? SAWA coffee?

          • dawit

            Yes Abi Eritrea grows coffee, my grandfather grow coffee at Geleb and Mirara. How do you think Eritreans manage coffee everyday when EPRDF ban to export coffee to Eritrea!, Abi you need to visit that Eritrea and see for yourself how Eritreans grow crops, vegetables and fruits on a ‘rock’. But Eritrea does not and never exported coffee, it the fabrication of Green-eyes EPRDF invention used to incite the Ethiopian people for war.

          • Abi

            dawit
            Is eritrean coffee Robusta like the economy or Arabica like the people?
            Have you watched “Green Ice” by the all time great Omar Sheriff? Your “green eyes ” comment reminded me of that movie.
            I will visit eritrea when we get it back. Soon.

          • dawit

            Abi,
            Both Ethiopian and Eritrean coffee varieties are called ‘Coffee-Arabica’. Robusta coffee is produced in tropical forest regions of the world Ivory Cost in West Africa and Brazil in SA. You mean you will never see Eritrea in your life time. Really that is sad! Remember Abi, ‘Eritrea yegilachin Ethiopia yegarachin’.

          • Abi

            dawit
            That is a very old mezmur. Now the reverse is true. Ethiopia yegilachin, Assab yegilachin, Massawa yegarachin. I don’t need to go to eritrea. Eritrea will come to me.

        • Aron

          Dear Dawit,
          Your pride in everything Eritrean is great. It is, however, very obvious the atrocities against the Eritrean youth by the Govt insurmountable and bitter they are leaving the country in droves.

          The government you defend instead of trying to figure out the problem and fix the root cause it doubles down time and again.

          The Eri Heros successes are despite Sawa and the govt. It is testimony to their indomitable spirit against all odds as they say. I wish you defend the imbattled Eritrean youth instead of the indefensible and brute govt /Sawa.

      • S.Tesfa

        Dear kokhob Selam,

        ” ኣብ ክሊ ዕድመ ግርማይ ዘለውን ኣብ ስደት ከርተት ዝበሉን- ኣብ ሰሓራን ባሕርን ዝጠፈኡን ዘኪርካ ድማ ክንደይ ዓወታት ክምዝገብ ይኽእል ከምዝነበረ ይር ኣየካ”

        True, too many of our youths perish fleeing the dictatorial regime in Asmara and I wounder what could have been achieved by the youth – had there been a government which strive to create an environment that encourage to explore and develop their potentials.
        Unfortunately, instead of working to prepare the youth to tackle the challenge of the 21st century, PFDJ continue making the whole country a boot camp.

        Regardless of all the difficulties and challenges, Girmay Gebreselassie pass the hurdles his comaprtiot face and made us all proud !!!

        Best Regards

  • dawit
  • dawit
  • Semere Andom

    The Last Word on Language in Eritrea
    Dear readers
    The over 1000 comments that this provocative article from the least provocative personality garneted is a testament of the importance of the subject. It all began in August 1 and it became the magnet of PFDJ supporters, chauvinists and Arabofobic Eritreans.
    Some had genuine desire to learn the nuts and bolts of the language issue in Eritrea and therefore ELF was mentioned, awatistas romanced the Romantic vs. De-romantics debate. It was a hell of a ride, but it proved to be a bumpy ride for those who did not buckle up.

    Many question the embedded nature of Arabic in the Eritrean culture and called it the language of ISIS and terrorists and argued that it should be limited to mosques and worship venues.
    To be frank, embracing Arabic as a second official language of our country does not have to be from the goodness of our hearts or our domain of some enlightened Christians, but from the pragmatic and intimate understanding of how almost 50% of Eritrean feel about it. If by embracing it we can solve almost 50% of our problems, that is quantum leap and it should be welcomed. Let say for argument’s sake that those who want Arabic are looking for a brand new identity and as brother A. Raji said, identity is what I tell you who I am. This is very true as it is the very basic ingredient from which the nation that is on the brink of its demise t is made up, if you believe in the creation of the Eritrean identity that slowly jelled after the Italians created the physical country then it is logical to believe that if some of your country men and women are telling you, even if the reasons are beyond your comprehension, the right thing to do is accept it. Your precedent it Eritrea and Eritreansim.
    Rejecting Arabic will make it the language of IS and Jihadists not embracing it.

    Nomenclature is less important, you can call it official language or working language as PFDJ likes to call it, the most important thing is to serve with it, to educate with it and if some people want to reject their identity and embrace other identity, that is their choice. If the fear is domination of Muslim culture from Eritrean Christians then the onus is on them to protect their culture by nurturing it and preserving it. But it is hypnotic of us to fear the Muslim domination when we are the first to embrace Amharic as the language of romance and call Tigrinya as put down language. Young highlanders who were born after independence or who were infants in 1991 speak perfect Amharic, listen to Amharic songs, even during Ghedli when EPLF banned Amharic music in guise of culture perseveration, the cadres and those means listened to Amharic music. If you had a chance to get a ride land cruiser in Sudan or the field with an EPLF office you would know that all they listened to was Amharic. The Fihira and gual Anker was for the hafash to intoxicate them. I bring the issue of Amharic here, not to single it out but to use it as an example of how the Eritrean highlanders are conflicted about the culture domination when it comes to Arabic.

    Your compatriots, actually the founders of the armed struggle that you worship and joined later when you got over your infatuation with Andnet for the most part demand Arabic to be an official language: meaning want their kids to be educated with it instead of starting g from scratch and naming all the periodic table elements in Tigriyat, they want to be served in Arabic in the government offices. In 2015 this issues should have been no brainer and instead we would be debating constriction, rule of law, the right of provinces, who came first PFDJ or EPLF, what went wrong. To weed out PFDJ or reform it is a more sober debate than the madness of rejecting Arabic in Eritrea

    • cool

      Dear Andom ,a national Langauge of a nation is not decided by religios feeling of some part of a population, the national langauge is a langauge that is spoken in the wider population as mother tonge AND THAT IS ALL, there is no referendum or the like obout this issue ..even in Indonesia were the moslim population constitutes about 87% ,the issue is not on the tabel wether Indonesia has arabic as a national Langauge.
      The question as to why this issue has become explosive on this page ,is because some of our moslim brothers have some kind of inferiority complex ,specialy those who identify themselves as moslims, but as the same time belongs to Tigrigna ethnic group.

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  • dawit

    The article is full of contradictory statements, most of it wild speculations and accusations of PIA and Eritrea.
    dawit

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi dawit,
      I agree with you, it is like you said. But I am curious, do you comment in such manner whenever you see news you don’t like on other websites, for example, on Western news media, or flexing your muscle is reserved for awate.com only?

      • dawit

        Hi Saleh
        If I care about the website, but if I don’t I will not bother to do so. Think about this way, if I see some stranger throw a trash on the street, I will not say anything, but if I see my brother doing that I talked and criticize him. If I criticize an article on Awate.com, it is not to trash it but I think I help the website to improve its image and if I read good article I praise it..
        dawit

        • Saleh Johar

          dawit,
          Thank you, but you would help if you elaborated a little bit. Be specific and explain it so that we can consider it. Naked criticism hardly helps because we do not know what made you say what you said.

          Thank you

          • haileTG

            Selamat SGJ and dawitom,

            I think the problem is sometimes it is possible to be worked up all the time without even paying attention to has been said to begin with. When dawit ranted away without explaining what it is that he found contradictory and not news worthy, it reminded me the angry Scottish comedy star Rab C Nesbet. here is a just over a minute long rant to only ask what the question was at the end. You need to brush up on your Scots man’s English accent to catch up with this one:-)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4yeqSgNxiE

          • dawit

            Selam haile TG.

            Forget the question from Scotland and travel to Beijing China where a 19 year old Eritrean made in Marathon History. Yes We are #1

          • Hayat Adem

            HTG,
            OMG, are you sure that was in English? I didn’t catch a single word. If you move me to the village where Rab resides in, I would feel as if I’m parachuted to the middle of Manchuria. No, I am not exaggerating.
            Dawit, I join you in rejoicing Ghirmay’s stunning victory. Starting an athletic victory of a marathon size at young age is really the way to start.
            Hayat

          • dawit

            Thank you Hayat,

            What was amazing the victory was shared by both Eritrea and Ethiopia . I wonder what languages were used to communicate with each other at the finish line wearing their respective national flags. Watching the video at the finish line, I wonder what language did Ghirmay Gebreselassie the gold medal winner from Eritrea and Yemane Tsegay of Ethiopia who won silver used when congratulating each other? English, Amharic or Tigrigna or Arabic? Judging from their respected names and ages my guess will be Tigrinya or English clearly not Chinese.
            Both Ethiopians and Eritreans should be proud of these victories in Beijing Marathon. I wish we have such health competitions in all fields that was interrupted in 1998 with the silly border war, I hope there will be peace in our region and every child from our region dream to run at the Olympics or ride at the Tour de France and nut the Sahara or Sinai deserts.

          • Dayphi

            dear haile.
            you made me proud of my english. The only thing i heard was ” fascis[t] pasta “. Maybe because i was born in the land the italians once ruled and introduced spaghetti. Did i hear, anyways, that phrase correctly?

          • haileTG

            Hi Dayphi..haha, you almost got it, “Fascist bastard’ it was. Actually, he was speaking the standard accent you hear in the northern England and Scotland. If you listen a couple of times, you start to get it. Actually, it is a bit difficult to get conversation going in local places there, even though they have no problem with the usual accents of other people. They also get angry at the English for their long historical acrimony;-)

          • dawit

            Saleh,
            The Headline of the article is“Qatar: Planned Meeting Between Eritrean And Yemeni Presidents Fail”. The only sentences that deal with the topic in the article is “The Qataris had planned a meeting between Abdu Rabbu Mensour and Isaias Afwerki to resolve the lingering issue between the two countries over Yemeni accusation of Eritrea, that it is provides logistic support to the Houthis.”

            “Ali Ibrahim Ahmed, Isaias’ ambassador to Qatar, had earlier delivered a message to the Qataris that explained Isaias precondition to participate in the meeting. Isais required an official statement from Abd Rabbu Mensour’s government withdrawing its accusation that he supported the Houthis However, the Yemeni president refused to make an apologetic statement and left Qatar after rejecting Isaias’ request.”

            Now the above statements have no source, they could be pure fabrications or speculations. The rest of the article deals all kind of statements of various Arab governments in the region, from Yemen, to SA, Egypt, Qatar, UAE, Syria and Turky! None of it had to do
            with Headline.Now Saleh, PIA’s working visit never been revealed to news media
            to the public, beyond the usual ‘discussion on bilateral issues of the two countries
            and the region’. It seems to me PIA keeps all his cards close to his chest, and
            thinks, he has Poker Player face, that no one is able to guess. Now Saleh, you don’t
            need to take my criticism if you think you have a great article for your
            website. Just to please you yes I could say it is a great article and you will be happy.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Dawit,
            that is called news context and enrichment. that is really to be appreciated and not many outlets do it these days because of the high-paced commercialization and superficiality. Awate scoops you for the headline and equips you with the background depth. That is wealth. Except a few times, and i only remember two cases, I’m amazed by the super effort of Ghedab News: uniqueness, caution, comprehensive, analytic. Really great quality. You can know this if you compare them to other news outlets.
            Let’s compare it with the same news story on shabait.com (and remember shabait runs on public fund)
            [Asmara, 19 August 2015- President Isaias Afwerki departed for a working visit to Doha in the morning hours today. President Isaias was accorded a warm welcome by the Qatari Minister of Environment, Mr. Ahmed bin Amer Al Humaidi , on arrival at the Doha international Air Port. The talks focused focused on further enhancing the warm ties of friendship and cooperation that exist between the two countries and, on international developments and trends of mutual interest to both countries. The Emir of Qatar hosted a lunch reception in honor of President Isaias Afwerki . President Isaias held talks with the Amir of Qatar, Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, in the early afternoon hours. ]
            Now, did you see any piece of info in the above other than the “lunch reception”? You wouldn’t even know why the wrote it. If they don’t want to say anything about the nature of his visit and the issues thereof, only one line would have done the job: “President Isias is on a visit to Qatar today to discuss bilateral issues with the Amir”. Is there anything you get from shabait’s news (115 words) that is not in my single-line (15 words)? None.
            Ghedab has told you all the missing elements and the gaps. You should appreciate that as a consumer.
            Hayat

          • dawit

            Dear Hayat,
            I wish it was designed to enhance the news, but I think this was designed to trash PIA’s effort to improve Eritrea’s relationships in the region. Adding all kind of unrelated subject to the topic is unnecessary effort to confuse your readers.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi dawit,
            I think it is obvious Gedab News in the source of the news. If you see at the bottom, there is a part that is reported by AlSharq AlAwsat. News gathering is a multi-sourced task. The medium. Sometimes mediums decide not to divulge their sources, if they are Eritreans, the burden is even greater. Do you expect us to tell you our sources? Can you guarantee their safety? You can’t, the government you support doesn’t recognize safety or freedom of expression. Besides, you present Isaias’ activities as if they are his private affairs. He travels representing Eritrea, unelected, and you believe Eritreans have no right to know any details, at least the names of his delegation? There is your difference of understanding news. But how about Gedab running its news by Shabait for approval before it publishes them? That would solve your riddle 🙂 thank you

          • Amanuel

            Hi Moderator
            I am posting this in case if there is technical problem. My comment I posted 3 hours a go is still sitting on disqus as pending. Any idea why?

  • Nitricc

    I thought PIA left Eritrea for Medical check up? I am not kidding, i read it some where. because i remember saying to my self; what kind of sick 70 years old man could get that kind of hair cut. hahahah, i really did went through that. well, okay so, it is for working visit.

    • AOsman

      Hi Nitricc,

      Can’t he do two things at the same time? It was the Yemeni fault anyway, we should not criticise DIA, they just refused to sign the “TetaEse” form..too bad, toothless bunch :)..you know PFDJ wont budge without it, a lesson for the Ethiopians too.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Admas

        lesson for Ethiopians?…….shouldn’t you by now know Eritrea’s stupidity suits Ethiopia….?

        • AOsman

          Admas,

          If you don’t know Tigrigna, the “TetaEse” form is what Eritreans sign for redemption, so the government pardons them. Once you admit of your mistake that you have left the country illegally (or helped an Eritrean chicken cross the border), they are cool with you. It is the stubborn opposition who refuse 🙂 (etch or emblley endabelu) and get no deal and just a simple ignore.

          By the way I have been given the green light by Abi to reclaim my Ethiopian citizenship, dual nationality is allowed……I am taking the lesson too.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Abi

            Hey AOsman
            It is not a green light. It is a green card leading to citizenship if you denounce Tigrigna and pick up our official language, English.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear AOsman,
            One person I know signed that TetaEse. I think they also call it B4 or something close to that. But she said she felt the real TaEsa for signing it. So, she was asking the opposition camp to come up with another form. TetaEse bimfiramey ziyada TeTaEse. It is like: I want to kill someone else now because I killed the wrong person by mistake.
            —————————–
            It has some subtle implications for our ghedli. But I don’t want to provoke my Prime Minster. I mean I feel like I am saying thing right when I call him my Prime Minister. Instinct thing. Or HTG might have influenced me when he described his qualities the other day.

            ——————————–
            I got a joke that goes with it: They say using condom is safe. But my friend was hit by a bus despite wearing it.

          • AOsman

            Dear Hayat,

            Help me here.
            If there was due process, we can assume the government may use it in the court of law to support their case against a person who signed it. Seriously, I cannot understand what is the benefit of that form for the government, apart from soothing their ego.

            Regards
            AOsman

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