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Never Mind The Calf: Mind The Rustler

Africans in general, and Eritreans specifically, remain skeptical about the benefits of high profile summits, meetings, conventions, and discussions at the margins because, throughout their history, they have rarely seen tangible benefits from these “baptismal parties” that come and go. It was this sentiment that Eritrea’s State television, Eri-TV, was trying to exploit with its blistering “let go of the calf that died last year” editorial, which it aired on August 7th. Why? Because of what happened August 4th– August 6th: President Obama hosted the US-Africa Summit and the Eritrean dictator was one of only four African leaders who was not invited. So, a more appropriate title for the editorial might have been an Eritrean proverb: “They Rustled Our Cows But [it’s ok because] We Hailed Insults At Them!”

Skeptics of such summits have many reasons to be skeptical. First, of course, is on the criteria for the invitation: any country that is in good standing with the United States and the African Union was invited. This means, as Mother Jones magazine pointed out, Congo’s Joseph Kabila, massively corrupt and incompetent, was invited; Rwanda’s Paul Kagame, Isaias Afwerki’s twin soul for his austere authoritarianism, was invited; Mauritania’s Ould Abdel Aziz, huge violator of human rights AND presiding over a country that still tolerates slavery, was invited; Uganda’s Yoweri Musevini, a hardcore, old school African Big Man, was invited; Equatorial Guinea’s Obiang Mbasogo, in power since 1979: (need we say more?) was invited.  Re-invited: Mbasago’s third visit to the White House.

The Invitation Criteria

Thus, it is very unclear what “being in good standing with the United States” means since the United States, which very briefly in the George W Bush years had said that it has learned from its long experience of coddling authoritarians for the sake of stability because you get neither democracy nor stability with dictators, has resorted back to form: any country that is willing to buy weapons from the US or accommodate its arms sales to the world appears to meet the criteria of being “in good standing with the United States” so long as the African leader is willing to, occasionally, mouth platitudes about democracy.

As for being “in good standing with the African Union” that appears to have even fewer demands. The AU has a firm-sounding policy that a country whose leader comes through a coup is not eligible to be admitted to the AU club, which sounds impressive until you consider the fact that the authors of such policy were, themselves, beneficiaries of such prohibition. The grandfather clause is not a bug, but a feature. Moreover, the AU is not interested in how a leader comes to power, so long as the leader gives the appearance of having the legitimacy of carrying the people’s mandate.

Just in 2014, Egypt, Guinea-Bissau and Madagascar joined the AU club by holding sham elections which were enough to get their suspensions lifted.

Thus, Isaias Afwerki, who came to power piggybacked on the legitimate cause of the Eritrean people’s long-standing demand for self-determination and self-rule, would appear to meet their minimum demand. But he failed even that test. Now, does that make him a rebel, a stand-out, a voice of Independent Africans? Well, let’s consider the company he keeps; let’s consider who else was not invited.

The Company He Keeps

His only friend, the president of neighboring Sudan, Omar Al Bashir, was not invited. Al Bashir came to power, through a coup in 1989 (double coup, actually: his party came to power through a coup; he personally came to power by engineering a coup over the flamboyant Al Turabi) and he has presided over a horror show that included multiple civil wars, genocide, and, according to Wikileaks, massive embezzlement—9 billion dollars worth, stashed in London banks.

Africa’s latest “pan-African” (who discovered his Pan-Africanism after he lost the favor of England), the president of Zimbabwe, who has been in power since 1980 (as Prime Minister or President) is the other exclusion.  Mugabe has brought ruin on his rich country: his country is sanctioned, there is a travel ban against him (he can travel to the Vatican). Mugabe has achieved the impossible: turning a country destitute WITHOUT war.

Finally, the leader of Central African Republic, Catherine Samba-Panza, was not invited because her hurried appointment as Prime Minister is somewhere between a coup (2013) and scheduled elections (February 2015.)

Isaias Afwerki’s Self-Inflicted Wound

Why was Isaias Afwerki not invited to the US-Africa Summit? Is it because of his terrible human rights record? No. Is it because he rules without a constitution? No. Is it because he has turned Eritrea into a gigantic prison? No. Is it because he drags Eritrea from one war to another? No. Is it because the United States and the African Union are appalled by the massive exodus of Eritrea’s youth? No. Here’s the reason given by a US official when he was explaining why an invitation card was not sent to Isaias Afwerki:

Eritrea will not be invited because the U.N. continues to sanction Eritrea for its efforts to destabilize Somalia and because Eritrea has not accepted full diplomatic relations with the United States, rejecting our offer of an ambassador,” the White House official said.

This means that if Isaias Afwerki were to take measures tomorrow morning to accept a US ambassador to Eritrea, he would be invited to US-Africa Summit II by doing absolutely nothing else. He accredits a US ambassador; the US ambassador says Eritrea is no longer destabilizing Somalia; the Djibouti-Eritrea border is demarcated in days.   None of the factors that contributed to Eritrea becoming a hell-hole rise anywhere to the level of importance (much less urgency) that would warrant his exclusion from future “baptismal parties.”

That being the case, what we in the Opposition should understand very clearly is that, while the foreign governments and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) can be allies to our cause, we Eritreans must be the ones who OWN and develop the strategy for defeating the Eritrean regime and then for delivering salvation to our people. The US won’t; the EU won’t and the AU won’t. This is not a call for isolation; rather, it is for intelligent alignment: we should seek out alliances with the people of Africa who are subjected to similar power abuse and not with the fickle governments who are willing to turn a blind eye to them.

Let Go of “The Calf That Died Last Year”

This brings us to Eri-TV’s editorial entitled “Let go of the calf that died last year.” (Hateta. Eri-TV. August 7, 2014), a critique of the US-Africa Summit and the alleged hidden agenda behind it: for the US to leverage Africa for its own economic interest. This is the English translation of the Eri-TV editorial:

Recently a party that was called “Africa Summit” was convened. The occasion and its goals do not require a lot of analysis and commentary. Its announced public relations goals are to express the concern of America for the destitute Africa that is suffering from poverty and famine, disease and terrorism; and to provide it with alms. America, with its accomplices, being one of the main causes of poverty, famine, sickness and terrorism in Africa, how can it be caring and generous?

Where would America get, or snatch from, the billions of dollars [it intends] to give as alms to Africa when it is has trillions [of dollars] of debt and trade deficit, and when it is ravaged by economic and financial crisis?

The true aim of the party [the summit], as is proved by figures and realities, is a cacophony that followed an intensely emphasized propaganda, to invite the leaders of Africa to kiss the hands [of the USA] to reinforce its mastership, fame and influence, to beautify the aura of sole superpower status of America, under the cover (or umbrella) of a public relations exercise, and all that for an already exposed chaos, in different baptism parties: sometimes [under the pretext of]  global alliance, or NEPAD, or AGOA, etc.calves that died in vain after being named and, thinking the memory of the people is dead, to revive it, to exploit the resources of Africa, is a search for remedy to cure the economic chaos of America.

The countries and people of Africa individually, and the African continent in general, are respecting and maintaining their free choices by learning from their experiences; rejecting foreign interferences; disruption, agitation, and looting. With their unmatched potential, if they can exploit their own resourcesby following uncorrupted and responsible avenue; by staying away from alms and deceitthey can sustain themselves and others.

It is time to state: ‘Enough subterfuge.’

Never Mind The Calf: Mind The Rustler

What needs to be remembered is that US-Africa Summit is the US copying the China-Africa summit, a “baptismal party” that the Eritrean tyrant goes to, without fail. The agendas of US-Africa and China-Africa are the same: Investing In Africa; Peace and Stability. But they are not identical. The US-Africa Summit’s agenda also includes “Governing for the Next Generation.” One thing that the “China-Africa Summit” never involves itself with is who the next leader is and how they will come to power. This is why the China-Africa Summit is the preferred baptismal party of full-throttle dictators like the one in Eritrea.

The United States has always had the same policy when it comes to Africa and the Eritrean dictator was a close ally of the United States, baptized part of the African frontline states and New Generation of leaders. So what changed? What changed is one and only one thing: when Eritrean and Ethiopian leaders were allies, the US did not have to choose between Eritrea and Ethiopia. When they became foes, the US had to choose and it chose Ethiopia.

To put it more personally, which is the only language Isaias Afwerki understands, the United States chose Meles Zenawi over Isaias Afwerki. This, despite the fact that Eritrea’s control of part of the Red Sea was supposed to give it an advantage over Ethiopia.

Rather than swallowing his pride and prioritizing Eritrea’s national interest over his own ego, the Eritrean tyrant has gone on increasingly destructive adventures designed to frustrate US interests in the Horn of Africa and particularly Djibouti and Somalia. And a decade later, the tyrant has not become what he had hoped he would be: an African rebel standing up to a superpower. Far from it: he has isolated Eritrea, he has impoverished her and, more ominously, he is emptying out the country of its most productive citizens: its youth. His foolhardy policies have resulted in sanctions that have left Eritrea completely defenseless—no Eritrean youth to defend her; no weapons to defend her with and, most dangerously, no cause to fight for as his warlords have sapped Eritreans of their natural sense of patriotism.

So, never mind the calf. Mind the cow rustler.

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  • saay7

    Papillon:

    It’s all good; since it is Women’s Day, the more the merrier. I posted an article; you posted a video.

    saay

    * I am waiting for some smart-alec to ask why I waited until half the day was gone to declare it Women’s Day. I was focused on other boxes, and men can only think one box at a time:)

  • Kokhob Selam

    ድሓን ድሓን ‘ዞም ኣሕዋተይ ደቂ ኣንስትዮ ኤርትራ ካብ ደቂ ተባዕትዮ ዝፍለ ታሪኽ የብለንን :: በተን ክምሕ ዘይብል ጀግንነት ንሃገረን ዝሓለፋ ንሕበን :- ብኣንጻሩ ንሱዳናውያን ተሸይጠን ኣብ ምቅታል ጀጋኑ ዝተሳተፋ : ምስ ስርዓት ደርጊ ኮይነን ዝሰለያ :- ሎም ‘ውን ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ክሳቀ ምስ ህግደፍ ዝወገና ድማ ንሓዝን :: እወ በቃ ካብ መጠን ኣይንሓልፍን :: ሓቂ ሓቂ እያ እታ ንዓለም መስፍን ዝወለደት ሃገር ነታ ሎሚ ጥፍኣት ደቂ ኤርትራ ዘይሕምማ መን እኹም ትብልዋ ጨርናዕ ሰበይቲ ወሊዳ እያ ::

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Pappi,

    I think the award was given to Francis Crick and James Watson. in 1953.

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Nitricc

      Aman true but can you dig a little deeper where they got the idea? Even better from whom they stole it?

  • Ermias

    Okay, wow, reading all the posts from Serray, I feel like ‘need I say anything more?’ If he sticks around, I will just be on the bench and watch. One question before I do that though: can anybody give me a quote where he showed disrespect to our women (not just the festival dancing women but the average Eritrean woman) and that he discounted their untold miseries and sacrifices during the ghedli era? The primary victims of Shaebia (or ghedli for that matter) are tegadelti and women and adetat nay suwaat. There is no question that ghedli changed the natural state of life in Eritrea, just as Serray described. Let’s move on from Ghedli please and try to reverse some of the reversible damages. Don’t make me quote HTG again about his lion of nakfa, the zoo, and the generation which has outlived its usefulness.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Ermias,

      Can you watch here in this video only three women? How can one who says I am fighting for justice ignore the contribution of these women?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ0n3zbuR1Y

    • Nitricc

      Ermias; i was prepear ing to take you to school and educate you about who started the war but i am afraid it might be awaste of time. Why are you defendig people who adress woman as whors and prostitutes?
      The guy is a bad news and worst you are trying to defend him. And please stop inviting jobless people to this wonderful forum. I will post on the jebena section a replay for your confused beleve.

    • Serray

      Selamat Ermias and Estfanos,

      Tzegereda, Mahmud, SJG, Tes or the single brain cleaning bot are not responding to my comment about women but to my position that something that end up being a complete and total evil like shaebia regime must have its source in ghedli. They are responding to the fact based argument they call “defaming ghedli”.

      I am not kidding when I say the next most dangerous people in eritrea are the ghedli romantics. What shaebia regime started, they want to finish. For them our history and our identity is limited to the time the first shot was fired; the rest is nothing but a decoration to glorify that. They are offended that I respect our history, our culture and tradition….a culture, history and tradition that has nothing to do with the bloodbath we call ghedli.

      I am older than you and I remember life in asmera before ghedli brought the war to our doorsteps. And as long as eritrea remains destitute, as long as tegadelti are driving our youth into extinction, ghedli will always remain a source, an explanation as to why we are miserable. As long as shaebia and whoever will succeed it try to impose the value system of endless sacrifice perfected in medda, ghedli will hold its rightful place as the mother of all eritrea’s ills.

      This is what they are responding to, otherwise they all know that there are stupid, detached, opportunistic women, just like there are stupid, detached and opportunistic men who support the regime. Estifanos had a picture of them. Assenna had the history of some them.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear serray,

        No one here [at least I am sure about myself] is saying what Ghedli did is right in all aspects.

        My argument is: We are forced to start armed struggle and to my understanding, armed struggle and Ghedli(the revolution) are quite different. Revolution (Economical, political and Social) can be needed or not. Had Ethiopia respected after the first day of armed struggle and leave us to live freely in our country, we could not have to the 30 years revolution. Revolution cam after the start of the armed struggle [Considering all kind revolution but do not forget other political movements had also started years before even continued to exist after].

        The armed struggle was what we started by our choice, the choice between been under Ethiopia or remain as Free country. Do not tell that we could have done it through negotiation.

        The revolution was a means to achieve what we asked for. The, the means could be wrong or had many mistakes.

        This can be a healthy argument, in fact we will not argue probably.

        What I am not and against is to use YG’s approach [Dismissing the basic Eritrean right] and defame the Eritrean people because Ghedli was wrong. Lets separate these things.

        hawka
        tes

        • abinet

          Dear Tes,
          you said “armed struggle and gedli are quite different”. In your opinion, is it possible to have armed struggle without gedli. Can you separate them? Or can one exist without the other?
          Btw, you missed the chance to debate yg when he was an honorary guest in this forum. I hope you will get another chance.
          Tes, as you know here in this forum awatistas are divided into three regarding gedli . Those who support, those who oppose, and some are silent. Since you are a new comer to the west,(2012),I believe that you have a better idea to my question.
          What is the attitude of ordinary eritrean (not a party members)towards gedli? What do people say about gedli at a dinner table?
          Thanks

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear abinet,

            If you read my lines, I didn’t say what you said. If I said Ghedli was the means,how can you separate then Ghedli from armed struggle? To do an arm struggle. you need all kinds of mobilizing and transformation. Here is then the essence of revolution. Simultaneously, in the long process, Armed Struggle = Revolution.

            I said this because unlike France, Russia, China, Cuba, even later Ethiopia themselves under Derge leadership etc, we did not have the same cause to start the revolution. And the cause was the “Annexation of Eritrea by Ethiopia.” Ethiopians did a revolution thinking that they need to emancipate the entire Ethiopians into a new level of society. Here comes then the difference between revolutions, Ethiopian revolution, French Revolution, Chinese revolution, Russian, Cuban etc, and in the other hand, we have Eritrean Revolution. They have gone through similar kinds of transformation but the main cause being different.

            @Serray, what ever you said is just nonsense.

            You talked about YG, sorry I must have missed him. Can you give me his user name pls?

            hawka
            tes

            hawka
            tes

          • abinet

            Thank you Tes,
            I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I have difficulty understanding complecated issues. Let me rephrase my question. Is it possible to separate gedli from armed struggle? You ignore my second question. I hope you will get back to me with some kind of answer. Again, what do people think about gedli in eritrea? Specifically at home. People are more honest at home. I am asking you this because you are a new comer to the west (2012). You have a better experience than most people in this forum. And since you were a college professor, you can easily see it in your students. Since the community is represented in the school.
            Thanks

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear abinet,

            Nothing is complicated but your perspective is quite different [the way you see things and how I see them]. The confusion as you tried to call it but for me as a normal difference is simple. Expectation kills what really is in its existence. I will not persuade you to change your view but I am telling you how I see things.

            Anyhow,

            Concerning people back home, there is no difference from the diaspora Eritreans. The only difference from the diaspora community is here [in the west], there are very few [better to say some, even if they are 1%, say 1% of 100,000] and are fully devoted to create a self-imagined Eritrea, the impact can not be ignored. take for example, YG is on the extreme side of these fantasists and once he writes an article, his article reaches thousands and will not vanish without a trace. He will definitely leave behind (if not all) some residues, I am talking on the active readers of cyber politics.

            You are asking me to tell you how people think back home. Well and good, can’t you see how Eritrean youths, mothers and fathers are leaving their home country, 3000-4000 leaving every month? This is a complete hallucination and trying to detach from the reality that everybody has an information.

            Even DIA himself wants to abandon the regime, the system, that he is an instrumental and master mind. At individual level, everybody has this feelings. Collectively, they system will not allow any word to come-out and criticize. PFDJ system is a collective system and is like a blood cancer. Once the blood is occupied with cancer causing bacterias then what is the solution. Removing part of the blood will not make it free, still the leftout will infect the other.

            You know that the most expensive is to replace blood which is having cancer causing micro-organisms and so is to remove PFDJ. In fact, Eritreans after 13 yeaars of constant fight are now able to differentiate PFDJ and Eritrean people. This was a hard journey. YG failed in this and still failing.

            hawka
            tes

          • abinet

            Thanks Tes
            It is clear now.
            Gedli is pfdj, people are running away from it . Even his excellency want to abandon it. I agree with you this yg guy is hallucinating. You are right it is not as complicated as it seems .

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear abinet,

            What I have observed from you is that you try to make unsaid conclusions. This is third or fourth time since I engage with you. Stay correceted to my words if not I will take your words and consider you as “Confused.” I was so rational first but now I think I have to think my way of understanding.

            Dear abinet, I said, many times and in my theory on the deceit and transcendence of Eritrean struggle that what happened during the revolution time (Ghedli- the 30 years and especially after 1970 under the EPLF leadership) is quite different from that of the PFDJ lead 23 years new Eritrea. PFDJ wanted the Eritrean people to perceive PFDJ = EPLF behind the bars.

            PFDJ is not Ghedli at ALL. Again, I am not PFDJ has non of Ghedli quality.

            let me brush on your disillusioned mind. Every Eritrean is by default a member of the front, in cells of 7. I am saying, by default. Then from this 7 celled small unit comes the representative which by himself is organized into a higher and similar cells. In this way the organization forms a pyramidal shape- at zone[Zoba} level there is a chairman and secretary. and then after the Chairman of PFDJ, hope you know him, DIA.

            And economic level, the organization has complete monopoly. Even some privately run restaurants were confiscated and are made to run by veterans – as active members of the party.

            Cultural level- the revolutionary culture is the preferred one and are trying hard to diffuse it day and night. festivals are in this category.

            Education – under complete dominance up to 12 grade and at university, PFDJ failed to come with a curriculum that is functional though by the model called Texas-System was tried but failed. Now, Higher Institutes are controlled at administrative level and what students learn is almost completely detached from the national requirement under the PFDJ administration.

            Politics: Divide and rule policy and ignore especially the youths from interfering in politics, make them incompatible and blame as if they are not ready to take any though nothing to take not to give. PFDJ agenda is to consider politics as a commodity not as way of life.

            Ideology: Which I understand so far unless more convincing ideology comes, JUCHE ideology – The North Korean, perfectly matches it.

            Information: Forbidden

            Organizations allowed: Extensions of PFDJ. Just to remind you, DIA trying to extend his atmosphere to the forgotten industrial works wrote a book and this book is now guiding the new Workers Association.

            Beliefs: Tewelide Niadeye

            Rule of Law: Rule of the Jungle. Except the Eritrean ruling dictatrial system, all other dictators that
            the world registered had and have still some kind of Rule of Law that
            serve their dictatorship, even North Korea. PFDJ has nothing.

            Who are they? They are dictators in which the mother land has almost never seen in this new 20-21th C.

            I wrote because you are a confused individual.

            One philosopher used to say, “my objective is to confuse you. Unless I confuse you how can you leave the old software that resides within.”And, now I will confuse you and show you your own true inner sense and come-up from your disillusioned world.

            hawka
            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Tesfabirham WR.
            .
            About 6 days ago, someone who goes by the name of Petros, made a comment on your article Dejen: The man YG chose.
            .
            I thought Petros was unjustified to call your article you worked hard on as: “This is just gibberish!”.
            .
            I am here to take back the comment I made to Petros.
            .
            K.H

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I will not be surprised. Even YG regrets for the greater cause and sharpened his pen against truth.

            I will remind you though you will regret million times and yet the truth will be told but you will never see it like YG and his puppets, Serray for example.

            hawki
            tes

          • abinet

            Tes,
            Tell me more. But, don’t confuse me even more.
            Tes, can’t you write in a simpler English to avoid ambiguity. I am more interested in the idea than in the sophisticated language. My sophomore English instructor at AAU, used to say “make it simple, clear and short”. He was one of the best . I am always grateful to be his student. His name is Equbai Zeru. We call him affectionately gashe Equbai. You might know him. He is an eritrean and went back after independence. I am sure Dr Sara knows him . He is always in my heart.God bless him.
            Tes, make it simple, clear, and short.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Rodab,

            Sorry for my English deficiency, but I wrote this to confuse abinet and unfortunately you are in. Tetebiska diyu zibehal.

            Confusion here is a philosophical term. Think over it.

            hawka
            tes

          • Nitricc

            What I don’t get is, what is to Abinet from Gonder if Eritreans run in to PFDJ; run away from PFDJ. What the hack is to you? I don’t get it? Abinet you must have a boring life. If not, why do you care?

        • Serray

          Selamat Tes,

          Leaving the distinction between ghedli and armed struggle abinet pointed out aside for now, I am of the opinion that haile slasie (a christian king and head of his country’s church) left the independence block (mostly muslims from the lowlands who share no history with ethiopia) no choice when he abrogated the federation. Having won a very heavily contested federation, the king had no right to do that. Yg was here responding to that very question…read the article and his answers (and for heaven sake try to understand him at a deeper level because your critic of him was not good….don’t let the back handed complements from awate ghedli romantics fool you. The back handed complements are the praises you got from people for your effort without pointing to anything you wrote).

          My problem with ghedli is not that it started but how it was conducted and how it ended up giving us the absolute worst regime on the face of the earth. Unlike many ghedli romantics, I don’t draw blank when it comes to the question of where shaebia came from….they came from medda, from ghedli. Again, unlike the ghedli romantics, I don’t give any positive value to our misery simply because millions, yes millions, perished to curved us a nation. They say, “all is well that ends well”. Well, can you say that about our thirty years trip of blood and carnage? The reason I have no qualms about pointing out at ghedli as our source of misery is, there are princes in waiting in the opposition ready to suck the remaining life of the nation using the value system THEY too learned in medda. Eritreans deserve to know life without the clouded and blood oriented existence of medda.

          • saay7

            Selamat Serray:

            I am all for the blended language that Awate forum uses: English, Tigrinya, Tigrayit, blin, Amharic…but sometimes, it creates theatre of the absurd. It’s intended to clarify using authentic language; not to mystify. Case in point:

            You said that Shaebia comes from meda. To demonstrate the absurdity of that argument, let’s use English substitutions:

            Shaebia = popular or People’s. Short for People’s Front.
            Medda = field. Short for the territories of Eritrea over which the occupying power had no control.

            So, the field created the People’s Front? And you compliment yourself (unlike the blurry-eyed Ghedli romantics) for coming up with this?

            What the fuzzy-headed romantics said is this. The Ghedli (armed struggle) and it’s culture is the result of a lot of influences including Pan-Afeicanism, de colonialism, liberation movements, communism, Stalinism, Maoism. To translate this into the Eritrean reality, the Ghedli particularly the EPLF used a fine product of ur favorite culture, the Habesha culture: the Tigrinya language, the Tigrinya ethos which includes a hierarchical social structure of an absolutist ruler.

            Yep, if you were not such a Habesha romantic you would be able to see that clearly 🙂

            saay

          • Hope

            SAAY,
            You are an AED besides the Professor in all Fields.For sure you know what an “AED” in Medicine means-an “Automatic Electrical Defibrillator.”,one of the BEST develpments in Medicine in saving lives.
            Please help me here:
            What the heck has this Ghedli Romantics ,etc–topic has to do here?
            I assume we know the purpose of YG.
            I am afraid that Serray might have the same purpose as well.How can you rule out that Serray/Hayat Adem could be the same YG with the same purpose?
            Ermias might help me here but he seems that he might be a Freshman Student of that the same School.
            My point is that Ghedli did its home work in the most unbelievable and in the most “Impossible” way one could imagine AGAINST ALL ODDS,period!!!
            Ghedli has been,evaluated,assessed and judged by the best and the most Neutral Judges and Independent Eye Witnesses Accounts—Mr Basil Davidson,Dan Connell,etc—
            Why can’t we move on to the next home work-achieving what is left-behind?
            Don’t you have the Moral and Ethical Obligation to shut off that chapter/topic once and for all and work hard in bringing the real change we are hungry and thirsty for?
            Come on,AT,you can do a better job.
            To me, the nonsense debate by YG et al,Serray and Hayat Adem,included, are but part and parcel of the Psycholgical War Fare,most likley guided,supported and nurturded,even FUNDED,by the same enemies of Eritrea and Ghedli Achievments.–
            BTW,why are people like Serray and Co using a small “e” as in “eritrea”,rather than a capital E as in “Eritrea”?
            Ermias and Thomas,please read the Eritrean History completely and in its enitrety before commenting on ghedli set backs and weaknesses.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Serray,

            I never thought you are such a man that you are with a talent to imitate fluently even what was said almost 8 months before. A real puppet.

            Here is what now you wrote: “… left the independence block (mostly muslims from the lowlands who share
            no history with ethiopia) no choice when he abrogated the federation.”

            And this was what your master Guru said exactly 8 months before, (Dec 14, 2013), ” …that Haile Selassie unilaterally abrogated the federal arrangement, a
            systematic violence that targeted both the autonomy and democratic
            system of Eritrea entailed in that arrangement..”

            Nothing is wrong to follow one that you believe on or you are fully influenced with. What it can make guilty is plagiarism. When you take notes the world of academia dictates you to note the reference. But you failed either.

            In our culture even (The Eritrean Culture, not the Ghedli), who said it? is very basic question.

            Are you such a dump living human being? I really feel sorry for you.

            Here is what YG wrote at awate.com

            http://awate.com/eritrea-the-federal-arrangement-farce/

            tes

      • AOsman

        Serray,

        You sound very angry that some awatista are not buying your reading of history and our problem. This debate of romantics and de-romantics has been raging for years and the repeats and overemphasis to make one point is just looking weird and not helping.

        After going in circles, we are faced by our incompetence to deal with the current problem…..we don’t have to go on a blame trip each time we feel the frustration of the day. The undertone of the debate boils down to:

        1. We should have stayed with Ethiopia in the first place (PAST), there is no other option so we need to insist that current Eritrea will have to join Ethiopia (FUTURE).

        2. We should have stayed with Ethiopia in the first place (PAST), there is no other option so we need to convince people that current Eritrea will have to join Ethiopia (FUTURE).

        3. We should have stayed with Ethiopia in the first place (PAST), there is option of correcting this in future if the peopledecide to opt that current Eritrea join Ethiopia under a political arrangement (FUTURE). It is their choice.

        4. We should not have stayed with abusive Ethiopia (PAST), now the conditions are different and in future if the peopleopt that current Eritrea join Ethiopia under a political arrangement (FUTURE) it is their choice.

        5. We should not have stayed with abusive Ethiopia (PAST), nor should we join independent Eritrea with Ethiopia in the future. We only need to live in peace like any neighboring countries should.

        6. We should not have stayed with abusive Ethiopia (PAST), nor should anyone dream of joining independent Eritrea with Ethiopia in the future. Too much blood has been spilled, it is not worth risking and going through a second round of struggle.

        7. We should not have stayed with abusive Ethiopia (PAST), nor should anyone dream of joining independent Eritrea with Ethiopia in the future. Ethiopia will always be our archenemy and those who have second thought are traitors.

        Those who stand for no #3,#4,#5 may have different view, but can work together to remove the dictator at home tolerating their differences and without fear of hidden intent of their compatriots. I feel the intensifying of the Romantic and De-romantic debate may be pushing people to positions #2 and #6 and this will create a deadlock that paralyses all. #1 and #7 are destructive as they impose their position, regardless of the wish of the people (which may change in future).

        The debate is becoming counterproductive and regressing overtime.

        Regards

        AOsman

    • Thomas

      Wow Serray – I am proud of you. Serray has strong points. Our history is not only the gedli history; and mostly of all ghedli has broken the norm/fabrics of culture. A teenager getting pregnant without proper marriage, an elderly parent going to prison/getting beaten for his kid going to exile illegally, for our mothers living a lonely life because their husband and kids are forced to do military slavery. Our mothers for the first in history has to ask for money in the streets or beg for food, because there is no employment and the forces who should have worked provide the family with food are serving the regime for free. If this the history we should keep and be proud of, we don’t want it, period.

  • Tzigereda

    Selam Serray,
    Your last comment had nothing to do with a genuin evaluation of the ” role of eritrean women”, which I would have appreciated. The only tegadalit you know in the resistance is Hibret Berhe? Nay dahrayka iba yigedid! Go, open your eyes, ask, read and you will see and hear them.
    I never need or expect to be treated with kid gloves, Ghedli had none! And I must have missed that you ” invited” me to join Awate.

    • Estifanos

      Tsigereda,
      Please use the reply button of the comment that you are responding, so that we can follow the debate.
      Thanks

      • Tzigereda

        Oh, sorry Estifanos, you are right. Thank you.

    • saay7

      Selamat Tzigereda:

      Since today is (spontaneously) Women’s Day at awate.com, and since some of our more belligerent menfolk seem intent on ruining it, I thought I would share with you the works of a great writer who, with almost every article, shows his abiding love and respect for women in general, Eritrean women more specifically, and even more specifically women who look like his wife–whom he calls affectionately “the good woman”–women of Eritrean Kebessa.

      The author is Aklilu Zere*

      1. There was, of course, the one everybody knows: “What Italian Colonialism Did To My People of The Eritrean Kebessa” where he shows the Eritrean woman as the engine of Eritrean society in the highlands.

      http://awate.com/what-italian-colonialism-did-to-my-people-of-eritrean-kebessa/

      2. There was the one that showed the Eritrean woman’s handling of colonialism
      http://awate.com/the-era-of-chaos-colonizers-and-women/

      3. There was the one that showed Eritrean women as the guardians of culture and etiquette:
      http://awate.com/food-a-eating-etiquettes-in-kebesa/

      4. Difference between men and women in Eritrean kebessa written in total affection for both, but more so for the Eritrean woman:
      http://awate.com/men-and-women-of-kebessa/

      Enjoy: if you haven’t read them, read them; if you have, read them again:)

      saay

      * Aya Aklilu, I know “The Good Woman” is taking good care of you. Don’t worry, the Dejen is safe:)

      • Tzigereda

        Selam Sal,
        Thank you. I never miss Aklilu Zere’s articles, the soul of beauty and love. I read today again the last one, heartwarming!

  • Tzigereda

    Selamat SAAY,
    That was your best clip ever! Lol!

  • Nitricc

    Serray the slave of YG!
    I don’t get it. Why do you care? When things were hitting the fan, you bend to the Ethiopians grabbed your Ethiopian passport and run out of the country the tail between your legs. Now, why are you so bitter? When say you are proud Habesha culture; are you showing some love to the Ethiopians at the expense of the Eritrean lowlanders? No wonder why you are servant and slave of YG, now it makes sense.

  • Saleh Johar

    Okay Serray, I take it you are proud of “Habesha culture.” That is good, but I asked you about Eritrea, not Habesha because you and your group have articulated your Habesha pride adnauseum. Thank you for not letting me down.

    • Serray

      Selamat SJG,

      Starting with…”I am proud about how our society give space to each other” applies to the whole of eritrea. The reason you missed it because of the word habesha…even though I begged you to stay with me. On a serious note, I am really happy that Yg brings that part of our identity to the front. We are who we are and any identity premised on minimizing our culture, tradition, history is an identity imposed by people who want to turn us into their slaves; case in point, shaebia. I think eritrea will be richer if deki metahit openly and proudly proclaim their long and wonderful history and tradition. Eritrea is beautiful because ALL eritreans are have beautiful culture, tradition and history; not because millions and millions died to make it a nation. Ghedli was supposed to be an end to a means before you guys made it an end in itself. Ghedli is an aberration to our rich, gentle and humane culture. I think eritrea will be better off if we go back to why we want a nation in the first place instead of worshipping what we have to do to be a nation. We need to let go of the blood and misery and go back and capture, this time as a nation, to what we used to be so our future doesn’t remain written in blood as shaebia tries to. In the long history of our land, thirty years is glitch, please don’t define us and fix us on these thirty years of unnatural and inhuman past.

      If I were you, I will be worried. A machine barely with a thinking brain sort of agreed with you in its muddled reality.

  • Hope

    Dear All,
    I second to Elanta’s Positively Crushing statements about this article:
    1-When Eritrea and Ethiopia became foes, the US had to choose and it chose Ethiopia.
    2. Eritreans must be the ones who OWN and develop the strategy for defeating the Eritrean regime
    3. There are other African leaders who suppress their people but invited to the summit
    Courtesy of Elanta!
    If I may add though:
    What Eri-TV’s “Hateta” elaborated about those kind of Summits is TRUTH but TRUTH.
    The only problem is that it was “elaborated” by the PFDJ.
    Plus,the AT has the right and obligation to do what is right and approrpiateand it should do even better so as to strengthen its Inclusiveness.I think SAAY made a note on that issue of inclusives,but still a bit behind on that,inmy opinion, considering the ongoing animosty and grudges with some Opposition groups and figure,which I heard that they are working on it.
    After all,the AT Spirit and Goal is:
    To: Embolden,Inform,To Inspire and To reconcile”
    —and– “Awate Fearless News, Opinion, Analysis On Eritrea And Beyond”!
    Imagine,if these “Hateta” was done by some deki-hidirtina or Nefse -her PMMZ,I wonder how the reaction would sound!
    On the side note,Rodab,I thought that you have been a reasonable judge thus far but your unscientific and early judgement about the Awate website vs others is,but lame,with all due respect.
    I care less about quantity but quality.
    I roam over almost all Eritrean and Ethiopian and other African Websites and even the western prestigious ones and I can tell you confidently-for fee and without bias and exaggeration,that tis website excelled in allcriteria incluidng what SJG listed.
    -If I may add:
    -Civilty
    -Quality news and editorial
    -Home for all walks of life(Enj like you,MDs,Artists–like Kokhob selam,Post-Grad people,veterans,historians,Porfessors,lawyers,leftists,rightists, Activists,etc–
    -Accomodation for all types of people and opinions/personalities
    -near perfect Monitoring 24/7
    but it has a long way to go….and we have to help the AT by constructive criticism and donation—-

  • Papillon

    Genius in a woman. James Brown may have said, “It’s a man’s world.” Slowly but surely, women are claiming the trophy in an equal footing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhbMhQLQ_g

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Papillon,
      While you are at it, did you also know the first ever computer programmer was a woman?

      • Papillon

        Dear Fanti,

        I didn’t know that and of course, I wouldn’t be surprised. It is also believed that, it was a woman who first came up with the idea of DNA’s double helix structure but again I am not sure how far that is true where I would say arguably the greatest discovery in Medicine after the synthesis of antibiotics including Penicillin.

        Haft’kha.

    • Hope

      Hopefully some of our Young Eritrean Scientists will claim their deserved Noble Prizes too.
      I know few who has excelled in:
      -In Math
      -Bio-Medical Engineering

  • Mahmud Saleh

    To All awatistas, particularly, serray;
    I am bringing this up because it represents the essential theme of most of the debates; who should set the agenda? Eritreans who believe in their ability to run their affairs or Eritreans who gave up on their people? What will follow is based on serray’s comment.
    “Logic dictates… that the world should do it because we are weak and divided and our spectacular victory so far is limited to holding meetings.”

    My comment: This is a defeatist attitude. OK, you gave up on your people to get rid of PFDJ, who is going to run the nation for you after the world “liberated you?” Are they going
    to tutor you or you’re fine with allowing them running the country? If it’s because you’ve failed in attracting your country men and women in your fight to get rid of PFDJ, presumably your strategy is foreign to the people, how are you going to rally them in running the nation? Doesn’t your lack of support attests to the fact that your ideas are foreign, that you have no mandate to speak on behalf of the people? God have mercy on my country! My beloved people keep consolidating your voices and presence around organizations which reflect your expectation and desire, organizations and individuals who don’t despise you. Rationally thinking, realistic and yes, balanced folks are coming together. I believe, Awate’s editorial was what responsible people expected of it. Serray’s mission of tarnishing and
    misrepresenting Eritrean people and their cause has caused the opposition so much. His small groups repetitive calls of “we can’t run our affair, we are not able to stand on our own…We are terrible people who didn’t know what to do with ourselves from the get go, etc.” and similar rubbish propaganda is familiar. It doesn’t represent the mainstream Eritrean resistance movement. We can do it; we will do it. Confident in our belief that we are able-people on changing our predicament, we will work to strengthen relations with peace loving peoples,
    particularly with our Ethiopian brotherly people.

    “ “we should seek out alliances with the people of Africa who are subjected to similar power abuse and not with
    the fickle governments who are willing to turn a blind eye to them”. AT editorial.

    This is the cream of deep thinkers and sharp strategists, folks; it’s not a making of a sensationalist. It’s the product of minds which understand Eritrean behavior. Now, here is how serray criticize it, practically criticizing the majority of
    Eritreans.

    a/ “If you tell the selfish, detached and mindless supporters that they are right, that the world doesn’t care about us,
    they will cling to the regime even more because the regime ALWAYS tells them the world hates us.”

    My comment: Knowing that serray is whining because the majority of Eritreans gravitate towards the regime (per his words), he’s basically saying the majority of Eritreans are “selfish, detached, and mindless.” Well, then there is a saying in Arabic that goes like this: if two people ask you where your head is, you better check the presence of your head; meaning if serray believes the majority is mindless and detached, maybe, he should recheck himself; maybe,
    the defect is on his chosen tactics; a prudent person would surely come back to the drawing table to assess why his policies are not getting traction. How is it possible that he’s going to run a detached population after he’s been placed on the throne by outside force? Doesn’t this show his ideas (not the opposition ideas, because the mainstream opposition thinks that Eritreans are capable of setting their agenda and are working on it; they are getting closer and closer to finding the right formula; they believe the reason why they have not attracted so many supporters so soon is because they have not done a good job, so they are working to attune their strategies to the expectation of Eritreans not the other way round. Serray and his lost children lots are crying because
    they failed in changing Eritrean mind-set to their narrow defeatist, surrendering strategy. They fail to know that the majority of Eritreans who flock to festivals have nothing to do with PFDJ, but a lot to do on how they
    abhor the strategies serray folks pursue. If they could find a force that snatches national issues and slogans PFDJ is thriving on, if they could get a united Eritrean front for change, they would definitely flock to the venues
    prepared by that united front. The united Eritrean front is coming soon, good people are realizing that their ideas and aspirations have been hijacked by folks who know nothing other than surrender. They are fed up and coming together. It’s up to the minority extreme group to heed the call or choose to fizzle out.

    b/ “…this tactic assumes that the regime remains standing thanks to the support of people who can be swayed by a
    rational argument.”

    My comment: Again another uncalled for vilifying “reason.” Only a pompous, out of reach, and demeaning person cries about why the majority doesn’t follow him. A leader counts on the intelligence of the majority, and work hard to win the hearts and minds of the majority (one of serray admirers lamented that the majority have no hearts or minds, still waiting for his report on that regard), So, how could we take these folks seriously? Leaders certainly change strategies that give hope, and direction to the majority, not accusing the majority for not flocking around their sinister
    strategy. In politics, whenever there is a discord or disconnection between the majority and the organizing leadership, it’s never the fault of the majority; it’s the utter failure of the leader.

    Opportunists will wreath and wiggle thriving on the agony of our people. The good thing is
    this: the air is clearing, people of good heart and genuine love of their country are coming together; The defeatist and dependent attitude, policies built on the assurances of outsiders and addicted to foreign support, bullying
    and abuses are un-Eritrean, and hence, have not attracted Eritreans (the reason why you are whining) and won’t attract them. Foreign support isn’t bad; but when someone surrenders to it, it remains to be a mere support; it becomes the essence of the agenda itself.

    On your portrayal of Eritrean women: I will pass it because every bit of you tells me you are not a serious man/woman. But I shouldn’t pass without saying it was disrespectful. You use a failed tactics, they ignore you, and then you go blaming them. They are more intelligent than how you chose to characterize them. They won’t follow you, and they have a good reason. Check out yourself in the mirror.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Mahmud,

      Eritreans never kneel down except to pray but I am kneeling down to express my honor for having you. You are such a gallant justice seeker who really have good heart and living soul.

      Serray and his likes are defeatists. Unlike Eritreans they bow down because they could do nothing more. They do not have future and they do not talk about future and worse when they talk about past all is a shame no less than PFDJ’s atrocities. Defamation, vulgarism and surrender is not Eritrean, it all against.

      Here you have all respect from your little brother.

      Huka
      tes

    • Peace!

      Well said, Mahmudai!

      It is imperative to keep in mind that YG has made it clear overtly that independent Eritrea is not in the best interest of Highlanders; therefore, to him, change from within is nothing but solidifies the independent Eritrea.

      regards

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Mahmuday:
      What is up now, has it become ”Sre” to name that guy who you accuse of saying “the majority of them do not have hearts and minds”. Please do not pull PFDJ on me, that is quote that “smet alebu” correctly, he said their hearts and minds have been stolen by PFDJ, give them their hearts and minds and see if we fail to win them” A far cry from what you said.
      Amaniye?
      On the question of Eritrean women, I am afraid that PFDJ is the last one to pontificate because they did not emancipate them, they enslaved them. Eritrean women are raped, dehumanized, intimidated and still are the subservient of that belligerent Eritrean man. Your organization is the first one to murder women in the history of Eritrean Ghedli as corroborated by veterans of that era, something to be ashamed off that was the reason why that guy said, EPLF did not emancipate women. The enslavement produced the women of today, most of them supportive of the regime and the Askalu’s of today. The same way I believe when criticizing Gheldi, we have to clearly delineate as we cannot in ad hominem alleged that all women are PFDJ, but every event of PFDJ is graced by them, beautified by their ornament and dancing.

      Eritrean culture was not fair to women, both religions: “ena al rujalu qowamun ala al-nisae, men are superior to women the Quran says and bible also teaches about the superiority of men to women, but the PFDJ that pays lip services to the rights of women has enslaved them far worse than the Eritrean culture, a culture that every EPLF tegadalai I met has of ridiculed with so much verve

      Starting in medda women were the house maids for leaders and the trend has worsened after independent, all the façade of equality of women has crumbled when tegadalti in droves divorced their wives who were not removers of their reliong and even their region. All it is fact now that women are the prime supporters to the regime that enslaves this commenter does not blame them, the root cause was slavery in the field and, they have been hoodwinked by the sweet words in their mendaciously gilded and giddy personality during the events that woman has for generation was the beacon of hope and sanity in the Eritrean household.

      I am glad that this debate is taking place abroad as I cannot help but what you would do the the defeatists. We know what happened to those defeatists. And saddest thing is new generations (Tes) are repeating the “defeatists” just because someone dared to disagree with them. Alahuma ynjina
      Sem

      • Seeray

        Selamat Mahmud,

        You showed your pfdj side there. You twisted what I said and went at it as if there is no tomorrow. You made two points based on two false premises: first, you went at it that if we don’t fight and replace the regime, how can we lead the nation? Am I to take from that a civil war between the opposition and the regime is the only way change can come? I am a believer that, given the dysfunctional nature of the opposition, the pressure put by the international community will weaken the regime enough to allow disgruntled forces within it it rise up successfully. That is what I mean when I say “when the regime implodes”. By you pick one leg of that point and run with it. By the way, if fighting and guns make good leaders, how come shaebia leaders are about the worst on earth?

        You second point is really self serving. I don’t believe the majority of the people are with the regime, you do. Therefore, any argument based on something I didn’t even remotely implied is pointless. I actually believe the regime has few supporters left; much, much, much, much, much, fewer than the majority YOU believe and leaving then with it till the end will have no effect on the movement for justice. If you want to know, the reason there is no opposition in eritrea is because of the brute force your former comrades use to repress it. The freedom fighters turned human trafficker, slave drivers and incompetent and corrupt rulers on the face of the earth. But like a typical semi-pfdj, you blamed on the diaspora opposition – and me.

        Now, try to honestly respond to one question. You know your former comrades; you know they will fight to death to keep power. When you said that the opposition will one day be strong enough, do you mean that they will go and fight a civil war to overthrow the regime or they will invent an ear and a conscience and install it on them. The reason is, I want you to come clean on civil war before you and I go to the next stage.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear serray;
          Before we even go there, come clean in telling us if the statements I quoted are yours or inserted by a pfdj virus? I’m not making new premises, I am responding to what you wrote. If they are yours, then case closed. Forget about regime change and how it happens, I will discuss that with folks who believe in their history and identity.

          • Serray

            Mahmud,

            The words are mine but you twisted their meaning ala pfdj style; well, semi-pfdj style in your case. I have a long history at awate, check my posts.

            Just because I don’t believe in “god created us in his image in 1961” it doesn’t mean I don’t believe in our history or identity. The history and identity you are desperately trying to make my full and complete history and identity are just a minor part of MY history and identity. Got it?

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Serray,

            You said, “…just a minor part of MY history and identity.” No one said here for you whether it is of major or minor part of your identity. September 1, 1961 is just one day if we count on days.

            At least, it is good that you called it as minor part of your history and identity. Eritrean identity is much bigger than this particular date but being a special date for the 30 years next to come days, it makes it special.

            It is anyhow better than late at least to include this day as part of your history and identity. September 1 is coming soon. Celebrate it. And tell YG also to confess. Zeygage ko yelon, may be si.. alelkando…

            Hawka
            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear serray;
            With all due respect, I understand what pains you; I wish we didn’t go through ghedli; No question, we’ve so far failed to justify the horrendous price paid. This is a struggle to rectify what’s gone wrong dear serray; even if I was to agree with you ghedli was unnecessary, the question of “what do we do now?” is still needs to be answered. What I am saying is this: if you want to change the tide against pfdj, please be part of the forces for change; use your humanistic, holistic…internationalist…regional…whatever outlook you have in tandem with the immediate task of saving our nation. Try to understand that people are looking for plans of action, for leadership…for hope. I read your reply to Gadi, and you seem to dodge his questions. That tells me you’re not speaking as an Eritrean but as Habesha. That’s not bad, we have a club for that. Join us, I am sure you will contribute greatly. But when you infuse your Habesha solutions to a domestic Eritrean problem, people are getting confused. I believe you can articulate, and I could share many ideas with you on that Habesha, or Horn of Africa or regional plat forum. It’s not bad to be proud of your Habesha culture. But when we talk about a strict domestic issues, it’s helpful if you come up with ideas and solutions that could help in our immediate goal which is seeing an Eritrea that all Eritreans call home, which is at peace with its people and its neighbors.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Semere A,

        First: Criticizing the Gedli is quite different from transgressing the Eritrean people’s make-up.

        Second: To deny the basic cause of Ghedli because Ghedli did wrong is another big mistake.
        Third: When we talk about Eritrean People, we are not talking about this generation only. We are talking about the people who lived, are living and will live till the end of the earth. See for example the Jews; the bible recorded about their history, the holocaust did the same and now under the newly born (1947 – even 60 years after Eritrea) countryr called Israel.

        When we talk about people, let’s remember this.

        Dear Semere, let’s grasp the core logic for doing this. It is de-valuiling the PEOPLE the people who are of the all generations of this area.

        You said the new generations are repeating the word “defeatists.” Yes I will 1000 times as I can see there are real defeatists. YG and likes want us, the new generations, as hopeless, dependents and mercy searchers. And, by extension and as you said are expecting me to quite and erase my values as an Eritrean. Are you expecting a new generation who is paralyzed, the same you get shocked after having a direct experience in Italy?

        I know why these young people behaved like that because I lived there till 2012 and still half of me is living there. I will not wonder like you did as I know the PFDJ ideology. The youths are not responsible for this but PFDJ. PFDJ purposefully paralyzed the youths.

        The question is then, what shall we do? This is for you, dear Semere.

        Are you to give you back like what YG did, to loss hope on youths? Come and up-lift the spirit. I believe we can. The struggle is not easy but lets embrace them and up-lift their moral and make them ready against PFDJ.

        Mother Teresa said, “I cannot change the wold alone, but I can cast a stone across the waters to create many ripples.”

        Say then, “What I saw in Italy was what PFDJ did to youths, let me work on it and make them active citizens.”

        And let your spirit be with hope,

        Mahtama Ghandi said, “We must not loss faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of an ocean are dirty, the oceans does not become dirty.”

        Say the, “We must not loss faith in our people. Eritreans are like water contained in an ocean; if PFDJ and its puppet supporters are devils of the devils; the entire country does not become devils.”

        Let these two principles be our motto in fighting our Justice.

        Justice will prevail, not by souls of defeatists but by citizens who own a living soul.

        hawka
        tes

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Just this is for Semere and likes. This is what PFDJ wants us to be and how we, the new generation is wanted to be. It is not new to us, it is the ideology that creates such kind of youths.

          I have labelled Eritrea according (under PFDJ administration = North Korea), but but, BUT, Eritrea is not equal to NK, make a quite distinction here.

          Then, should we outcast them because they are like that? In fact, the youths coming from Eritrea are far different. I lived with them, I was teaching there and I can say we have the tools to orient the minds with minor changes in strategy.

          One thing though, those who fought for the last 20 years, even those who lived most of after independence years outside Eritrean can not win over their hearts. We need a deep and new philosophical approach to win over. I have experienced this tactic and still doing it with the new generation that I have a contact with.

          Get in tune.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jHJVrKHaM

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Semere A,.

        I will share with you the tactics used by PFDJ in the diaspora in winning the minds of the new comers.

        I am making a thorough research on the mindsets of the Eritreans who are supporting fully or sympathizing the day after they secured their asylum status, even before.

        There is a new program initiated by PFDJ in forming Eritrean Community Centers which are free of ANY kind of politics and concentrate on civil organizations. The community that is now almost forming offices in all France has one and mainly one PRE-CONDITION: “NO PARTY or INDIVIDUAL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.” Under this precondition they have tried to enlarge the community. And the youths are joining because they think that it is healthy and will solve some of the basic social problems they face during their first arrival, just like Religious extremist practice.

        What They do is they preach as if the community is free of PFDJ influence and just aimed at creating Eritrean community.

        The detail is more but for now let my research be disclosed up to this.

        Then what?

        We, in the opposition groups should reach these young people and help them when they need most. Look the Sweden festival. Many young asylum seekers were going there and the opposition camp was in shock about this. For me, no surprise, the hidden ideology of deceiving fresh minds is at play.

        let’s remember this: These people young people who are coming now meet Eritreans who left the regime just 3, 4, 5 years before and visit their home. And when they ask being there how? The simple answer they get is, “if one stays away from politics, then no problem with the regime. Just confess and pay 2%, and the gate is open to you.” This information was just available back home. Then, they start the journey, let the challenges, problems and torture be unaccounted, and once they reach, it is like a mother who is ready for the next delivery after throwing all the BEAUTIFUL words (Hmmmmm) during her first delivery. Himam Hirsi diyom ziblwo. [Talking from the exceptional extrimist point of view, reading how Semere’s mindset is oriented after constant brainwash of YG’s doctrine and Serray, the Diakon of that church].

        But, but, But, soon those young and new comers get established, they fullfil only one requirement and that is they stay far away from POLITICS. And this is the SUCCESS OF PFDJ IDEOLOGY.”

        Here is a piece of the document on how PFDJ under hidden civil communities are trying to detach the people from Eritrean matters. [sara, this is also for you, the one who advocates community organized festivals, in fact, megaverya higdef, BiEde zur].

        Are you there sara?

      • Mahmud Saleh

        salam Semere Andom;
        ንሎሚ ስርዕ ሓሲበያ ነይረ። For our esteemed members who don’t speak Tigrayt ስርዕ means something taboo, anyway, semere tsaeda, today I am not going to reply to your ghedli obsession; let it eat you up alive. No…no… I care about you, so I am just in the initial stage of trialing a magic concoction, no guarantee it will work. So, that’s a long term goal. Let’s take things step by step. Let’s just talk for today about our women, saay declared it women’s day.
        Yesterday, in my reply to Dr. sara, I said that Eritrean women were poised to assume high offices thanks to their real contribution and sacrifice. However, PFDJ has made Eritrean women’s association, like other associations, a tool of oppression. I called upon our young women and their brothers to rise to the occasion, to wrest their prominence from the grip of pfdj. As a self-confessed justice seeker, it makes you look worse than pfdj when you hold this type of view on women. Justice, in addition to its “rule of law” concept, calls for equitable distributions of resources, equitable participation of women and other marginalized social groups. You can’t beat the well-oiled machine of pfdj unless you realize that you have so far failed to appeal to the majority of them; and coming out of your little world to recognize that it was all your fault, my fault and other opposition groups fault for not mobilizing them; for not drawing a strategy that include them, a strategy that makes them the center of political discourse. Remember, they are smarter and more sensitive than men when it comes to social issues. Hey Sem, they also beat you on the one area men consider their turf, military.It was not without a reason our good doctor (RIP) wrote the poem: ኣለዉና፡ ኣለዋና. I would not waste the reader’s time to list the contribution of Eritrean women in our struggle. It’s recorded for those who want to study it. Our women are still part and parcel of our struggle for just Eritrea. All you need is to be patient and just think for a day:
        1. why we could not attract many of them? Remember, the problem is always in the strategy or the method the parties/organizations choose. Women like all other social group aren’t inherently defect; if your strategy is not working evaluate it. Make sure they get in the decision making organ, they should not be considered as crowding mass, or augmenting numbers only. Do you see any deficiencies in your average opposition groups? You bet.
        2. Once you evaluated that, then you ask yourself “what can I do better to make my message appealing to them?”
        So, go and think about it, a homework in conjunction with your Rome ghetto homework. I hope you don’t declare them brain dead as you did with the youth in Rome ghettos.

        • Semere Andom

          Mahmuday
          Before I engage you on the women issue, Haseb Askalu M tell me what is my view in Eritrean women?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere wed Andom,
            Even today, in her late life, Askalu would chase you like a cat chasing a rat; I mean even without the pfdj hat. Cheers! Waiting for that (infamous) report. Well, you just messed their roles as a group with whatever challenges they have been facing. If you believe in what you said, then be on their side, their emancipation should be part of the overall struggle. Believe in them, and they will believe in you.

          • Semere Andom

            Mahmuday:
            You are pulling Nitricc on me, what is Sem’ stand on the Eritrean woman?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Sem A

            Here is a paragraph from your comment:

            “Starting in medda women were the house maids for leaders and the trend has worsened after independent, all the façade of equality of women has crumbled when tegadalti in droves divorced their wives who were not members of their religion and even their region. It is fact now that women are the prime supporters to the regime that enslaves them, this commenter does not blame them, the root cause was slavery in the field and, they have been hoodwinked by the sweet words in their mendaciously gilded and giddy personality during the events that woman has for generation was the beacon of hope and sanity in the Eritrean household.”

            So, here you’re saying women were “house maids for leaders…and now they are the prime supporters of the regime…”
            I was in mieda, I was there with them, so listen little brother ሕፉናይ ሕጻን! ወድ ኣቡየ ዓንዶም ከፎ ትከይድ ሀሌካ?
            Mieda wasn’t something you could romanticize, it was full of all challenges, some of the challenges included what some of our young sister-comrades faced, not all of them, some. Like in any undemocratic society, there was struggle there too, in many cases abusive commanders were confronted by the fierce Eritrean tegadelit and her comrades, but as a male dominated society, the struggle or “Jihad” was ongoing. I am not happy of present situation of our women, and that’s why I said women’s issues should be at the center of our political discourse; we have to include them and stay away from blame-games.
            ናይ ደቀንስትዮ ድርብ ጭኮና ይበሃል ነይሩ። In mieda you wouldn’t want to be accused of belittling women or speak of them in bad manner. Period. They were teachers, doctors, military commanders, technicians…social workers..name it. You try to debate me based on what disgruntled ex-teg had said! Come on! That’s the weakness of our debate-partners. There was one guy known by the nick pilot. Once, he is reported to have uttered this same view- that tegadelti were concubines. Well, you know what the backlash was; and you know he was compelled to correct himself. Ex-teg may say there were abuses, but they will never tell you tegadelti were house maids, never. However, there is a grain of truth in your long message, albeit you stretched it to fit your notion of Eritrean tegadelti; and that’s it wasn’t all that good. There were opportunists, rapists, abusers,etc, and they were dealt with according to the law of the land that prevailed at that time. That should be enough for now, it’s a step-by-step work. Just hang in there, you will do just fine. Now, what did you say about Gual Menqeryos ጽቡቕ ጌረልካ እየ። ደድሕርኻ ክትጎዪ ይረኣየኒ ኣሎ። ሸበጥካ ኣብ ኢድካ ሒዝካ ኣብ ሸዋርዕ ናይ ሓንቲ ከተማ ክተጓየካ፡ nitricc ከኣ ኩባያ ሻሂኡ ሒዙ ኣጆኺ ክብላ ይረኣየኒ ኣሎ። BTW, I didn’t want to pull nitricc into this problem, as a member of salam club, I should be working in peace building. I am just bringing it up because you mentioned him. You know, he’s been drooling and sharpening his teeth like our Danakil people. Come up with something worth his appetite. There you have it brother.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmuday:

            Thanks for your reply. This is important issue. But still you need to work on telling the truth about the falsehood that EPLF has emancipated women. Your friend Sem may not be a former tegadalai but he is not also talking out of the blue. The notion that women were emancipated by EPLF/PFDJ is just dishonest. Pilot may have exaggerated his claims. But your idea of emancipation of women was to cut their hair short, train them so they can run as fast as men, which they can already do, make them trained killers and then call them defeatists when they fight you back. Oh, I know this was after independence when DIA and Co due to the stress of their leadership suffered hemorrhage of the brain and hence amentia of our ideals) and make them do all the menial work after independence. Let us not go there.

            But something is going in this forum lately as the moment someone dissents he is called names like habesha romantizers, or anti women when dissenting and mention that that there are many women in the same vein like that belligerent Eritrean man who are insulting us when we demonstrate and spitting on us and we cannot do anything about it and calling us vulgar names courtesy to PFDJ/EPLF culture. I am ghedli romantic for example and from Kebessa (shocker) and critic of the Tigirinya and Kebessa on how they protected PFDJ based on fallacy of “kab zeytifoleto seytan si tifelto melak or mblaE mblieU zibie adina). Does this mean that I believe that PFDJ is for highlanders by highlanders but yet I am a habesha romantic?

            I can imagine that if these semintints prevail the streets of Asmara will be safer for the former criminals than for the ghedli de-romantics were they will be stone to death

            You know it in your bone that Eri women were in shackles but that fact will tarnish the good history of EPLF so you still cling and accuse us for attacking our women when we state the fact that in mieda they were the maids of the leaders. EPLF made them to be maid of the leaders, every “dhri ginbar, from Hishkib to Ararb where the leaders domiciled, women were the maids in the migbina. I went there while in highschool in 1988 and witnessed that. Like everything else EPLF did not have an agenda to liberate women but to enslave them. And enslave them they did.

            And to this day, when women are raped by the higher leaders in Asmara, they do not have wherewithal and tools to come open and accuse their tormentors. The “drib” exploitation still reigns supreme in PFDJ’s Eritrea and I squarely put the blame in the PFDJ who lied to them in the name of their dual emancipation and it pains me to see many of them still grace the events that enslaves them

          • Hope

            Can’t agree more.They will re-claim what they deserve.”Just be patient”–I second to yourr words,Big Bro!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hope tsaeda
            yes, I hear you kebdka tbred.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Brother Semere A and @Serray

        This is for you and something that you need to think.

        Specially, Semere A, In your visit to Italy, at least you should have done something considering those youths were Eritreans. Think of a kind of man that helped the North Korean Lady without asking much but from huamnistic point of view. And you know the result, he opened the sky for her and in the first time in her life She watched the blue sky and experienced full FREEDOM. Though Dejen did it on himseld, YG did now welcome him, he is so scared as he[YG] never imagined Eritreans are such self-liberated people.

        Just spend some precious of your time to open you eyes.

        @disqus_0TPQUXXFl0:disqus, if you want, join them to watch. Sure YG is behind the screen.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmccYmaRcbU

  • Ermias

    Peace club members: We are making good progress. Yesterday, we brought up the issue of women and their disproportionate participation in cyber talk and this website has lit up with participation in the topic from the grand commenters: Saay, Serray, Haile TG, SGJ, T.Kifle, Rodab, and more importantly from our women, sara, Dr. Sara, Papillon, Tzigereda and others. Watch for an influx of new women participants. For all we know, YG maybe intrigued to come and enlighten us too. Our club was not formed in vain.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Good morning Ermias,

      I see I missed quite a bit of your discussion on a very interesting subject.

      About the “women we lost”
      Every time I remember Yodita’s last couple of posts I feel bad for not being able to do
      something about it, but I was not worried about Saba until you mentioned it. I
      hope it is just a schedule issue. However, with Hayat Adam, since she has taken
      a few extended leaves before and she came back just before we reported her
      missing, I am hopping she will come back soon (Hayat Haftey, keyteHfrni Hadera).

      About my being “ladies man”

      If you only knew! My otherwise very considerate wife couldn’t contain her screeching
      laugh while trying to encourage me “moker, moker techelaleh!”

      However, there is one scientific fact we all should know about women, and that is ‘their brain
      is wired for administrative task.’

      Another fact, which needs more study, is that when men and women discus or argue, men routinely respond
      to what was said while women respond to what was meant.

      For example, when a man says “wow! It looks like you lost some weight,” usually, he would expect a
      reply of gratitude, but when the woman replies “oh! I didn’t know you thought I was fat” everything goes downhill, because our “Anjal” can only think one thing at a time.

      There are too many traps from which men cannot escape from, such as, whether to open the door
      for her or not. If you do, are you implying she is weaker? If you don’t, don’t you have manners? It is a no win situation. So, we desperately need their guidance.

      Until then, the only addition to what you started earlier about how to treat our women Awatistas is
      1. Keep in mind that they are better administrators.
      2. Be clear about what you mean.
      3. Treat any woman as you would like your sister or your mother be treated.

      PAPPILLON, RAHWA, HELP!

      P.S. members: we will organize this soon a little better along with how Club Selam members should behave with everyone.

      • saay7

        Fanti Ghana and all:

        Has your wife asked you, “what are you thinking about?” and you said, “nothing” and you meant it but your wife thought you just didn’t want to share?

        Are men capable of spending hours thinking about nothing and doing nothing?

        Why are women’s memories better than men’s?

        These and other questions answer here in this 5 minute video by Professor

        http://youtu.be/gjnLLw5BTmc

        saay

        • Fanti Ghana

          Thanks SAAY, very funny and accurate too.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        FG
        Oh! I knew it! I’m in trouble! ?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Mahmud,
          Unless we are all in trouble, don’t worry, we haven’t ratified our laws yet.

  • Tzigereda

    Selamat Serray,
    I hope you will not be the guy who will write the history of “the participation of eritrean women in the resistance”. Men like you run denying our role of yesterday, today and tomorrow. You see what you only want to see, but that doesn’t reflect the whole picture. I am not going to defend those eritrean women ( who by the way are only metaqaiti, and have never belonged to those decision makers, sure no excuse though!) who still support the brutal regime and still, they don’t represent the majority of US, eritrean women. In case you don’t follow the activities of the eritrean women, I can provide you so many clips for the whole week. Beyond those three comrades you mentioned there are hundreds self-made eritrean women, doing fantastic jobs, give credit where credit should be given. I would have expected more encouraging words from somebody who belongs to the elites. No wonder that many women have the feeling that nothing will change for them, whatever the promises seem to be. Please be respectful and stop belittling and using women only as bad examples (“women who were dating the afagn at the darkest hour of the nation…”). The attitude of either victimizing or “vulgarizing” women should have an end!
    The ” dembe deleyti fithi”, is still full of conservative attitudes, it has more way to go to be ” attractive”, for women. Work on it, this would be much help.
    Awridulnado!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Tzigereda,
      His problem is that he isn’t going to provide you what he’s done to promote the movement for change. Of course, he has plenty of despising and defaming stuff to present; defaming our heroes, defaming our struggle, defaming women, and defaming Eritreans, all of them themes that drag the movement for change. By the way,Eritrean women smell what’s fishy right from the outset; they are known to be heroines compared to their male comrades. They could not and should not invest in individuals who don’t represent what they believe in, they should not give a hoot to lots who despise them. They are right. They are more productive and efficient in rallying causes. Who are the news makers today?

      • Estifanos

        Dear Mahumud,

        Unless Serray has a previous history, you can’t find a single word that defames our women heroes. if you read his comment without any bias . You will find two things a praise of the amazing women (Elsa, Selam, Meron etc. ) . and the repramaid of the pathethic women ( Sophia Tesfamriam, The Woman in the picture etc.).

        Now, unless you want to defend the scandalous there is nothing to debate.

      • Estifanos

        Dear Mahumud,

        Unless Serray has a previous history, you can’t find a single word that defames our women heroes. if you read his comment without any bias . You will find two things a praise of the amazing women (Elsa, Selam, Meron etc. ) . and the repramaid of the pathethic women ( Sophia Tesfamriam, and many others .).

        Now, unless you want to defend the scandalous there is nothing to debate.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear Estifanos

          “Please tell the woman who IM you to stop blowing hot air into our noses. In many pfdj events, including the one they went to dance on the graves of shaebia regime victims, many of the attendees are women. So what happens to their “fierce, generous, beautiful, supreme IQ and EQ, selfless and loving” nature when the devil calls them? The reason there are fewer women in these forums is probably because they are busy or a big chunk of them support the regime or do not feel strong enough to spend any time discussing what ails our nation. However, what we lack in quantity we have it in quality. I will gladly trade a hundred pfdjs and semi-pfdj men in these forums for the dirt in hayat’s shoes.” This is a paragraph serray wrote in replying to saay.

          1. “So what happens to their “fierce, generous, beautiful, supreme IQ and EQ, selfless and loving” nature when the devil calls them?”
          What could this mean other than defaming and disparaging Eritrean women’s contribution?

          2. you will also see he’s c/o that many of them attend pfdj gatherings…meaning support them. I contend that notion by spelling out the fact that what has kept the opposition paralyzed is this type of tactics which depict Eritrean person as helpless, passive…in need of life support from outside. It’s time we took responsibility and thought realistically by scrutinizing our methods if we are to take on pfdj. This is about winning the will of the people and not about physical removal of the regime. That part is easier than getting legitimacy from your own people.Also, I want you to substantiate your last sentence, just bring on a statement I made that would be construed as supporting the “scandalaous”(regime).

    • Saleh Johar

      Tzigereda,
      As sharp as he appears, I do not feel Serray has anything that makes him feel proud of Eritrea: its history, its struggles and sacrifices, its women… I just wonder if he anything he hold dearly about Eritrea.

      Serray, if you decided to reply to this post, please satisfy my curiosity, tell me the things you feel good and proud about Eritrea. I am hoping I am wrong because you would be an asset for the current struggle, but you have to believe in the people you are trying to deliver from oppression and to usher them to a stable, peaceful and prosperous life..

  • Thomas

    What can we say? IA is good at inculcating lies. It is so naive to blame external forces when it is well known that the abusers are your own, epitome for naive once.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Sal or Gash Saleh,

    I found this from facebook that found it from meskerem.net. It’s hilarious. I have to share it with you, before they remove it. It’s a typo, but it still gives a very funny context…

    “..The renegade camp of the Eritrean opposition is waving Ethiopian flags hoping that Ethiopia would invade Ethiopia and remove the Eritrean regime. Such betrayal, treachery and treason has shocked many in the nationalist opposition. Many are raising their voices and condemning these traitors….”

    See that? A renegade group is waving Ethiopian flagS hoping that Ethiopia would invade ETHIOPIA and remove Eritrean regime…… 🙂

  • Papillon

    Awatistas,

    መን ኣሎ ስኮሜሳ ክገብር ዝደሊ ብ20 ንቕፋ? Qatari Airways today announced that, it will start flying to Asmara twice a week. My bet is it will call it quits in a month. Any takers?

    • Eyob Medhane

      Papi,

      What is your wager? 🙂 I think Qatar may have another motive. (I don’t trust these Arabs. 🙂 That’s just to poke Sal and Gash Saleh to slam me a bit :-)) But Seriously, the Air transport is becoming very competative in that area, Air lines that have deep pockets to absorb any lose, like Qatar Airways, take any loophole to sneak in their feet with an eye to the future to expand. They are not getting there for Eritrean market. they are getting there for a future competative market to bully others out. They tried the same thing in West Africa. Not Qatar Airways, but Emirates. They entered certain markets that have no business value and splash their wealth with cheap flights and three meals for a 45 minutes flight, which no airlines could afford. They cornered certain markets for a while and bankrupted number of local airlines. With a stubborn and consistent challenge from Ethiopian Airlines, Kenya Airways and to a lesser extent South African Airlines. Their Challenge was met. Especially Ethiopian Airlines bought a larger share of ASKY (ET’s west African subsidiary and created Malawian (It’s Southern Africa subsidiary) Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASKY and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malawian_Airlines They feel their African incursion is threatened. When Ethiopian Airlines created Malawian the CEO of Emirates publically talked about this “threat”. To counter Ethiopian and other African airlines share of the African market, the deep pocketed Arab airlines land anywhere for now that will be used as a launching pad to their further expansion plan, even if it is a money loser…

      • Papillon

        Dear Eyobai,

        Competitive spirit is the colour of capitalism. Needless to say, Airlines business is a cut-throat endeavour. Having said that however, as much as Eritrea is incapable of running its own airways, others are doing the bidding where Isaias’ track record or CV is shoddy at worst. As such, it defies the basic logic of doing business when Qatar is stepping up to fill the void. On the other hand, if politics is to meet business somewhere in the middle, it would be counter-intuitive for Qatar to broker a peace deal between Eritrea and Ethiopia where Ethiopia can potentially push Qatar out by controlling the skies over Eritrea. As for my wager, it is 20 Naqfa. I say, Qatar will call it quits in a month max.

        • Hope

          For the Record,
          By saying what you have said,you have exposed your TRUE colors coz you are advocating the suffering of the Innocent Eritrean Travellers to the extent of even advocating that the Ethiopian Gov could block any peaceful Airliner serving the Eritreans by controlling the Eritrean Space.
          If I read you wrong,I apologize but please clarify though.Other wise, you are making reckless comments and dangerous campaign on a day light.
          Is that how the Ethiopian Tigers(Tigeresses) do business by hiding in their caves and barking remotely rather than getting out to the open field and chase their enemy ,like the Eritrean Tigeresses do?
          Eritrea is and will be more capable than any Nation,including Ethiopia to run its own airways provided that her enemies stay away from her business. (as it was the Eritreans who were running and building effectively and efficiently ,the Ethiopian Airlines)

          • sara

            HOPE,
            you sound worried hailes scribings will discourage the qatar airlines decision to fly to eritrea. if it was from hailes thoughts and wishes eritrea by now would have been another iraq.thanks to those who are keeping the nation together.

        • haileTG

          hey Papillon,

          http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar-airways-launch-djibouti-flights-in-july-543585.html

          It is not that I know any level of intricate wisdom on airline business, the above link shows you that Qatar airways is doing the same but lesser and later of what it did in neighboring countries to Eritrea. That tells you Eritrea is less important and less appealing in comparison. They launched trice per week flights more than a year ago to Ethiopia and (six months ahead of Eritrea) to Djibouti. The press releases that announce every single one of them is identical and quotes the CEO saying they are attempting to bring to fold “under served” spots in Africa and those spots have some great economic potential – meaning that you’re looking at a lifeless standard generic press release. This is enough for pro hgdef to sing kumbaya and hold fireworks at ASM airport during the first landing of QR1443 at 23:59 local time on Thur. Dec. 4, 2014. However, if an expensive airliner that requires a connecting flight in Doha is what is needed to serve Eritrean travelers to and fro diaspora, well they must all be travelling there to visit the statue of Alexander Pushkin in Asmara in the first place 🙂

          • Hope

            Hailat,
            Please,would U be so kind and considerate to the poor and innocent EritreanTravellers?
            Let the PFDJ go to hell man but by default,by criminalzing and boycotting the PFDJ about the Eritrean Airlines and the neutral International Airlines trying to accomodate the EritreanTravellers,you are criminalizing and boycotting the poor and innocent EritreanTravellers.
            I do NOT understand your arguements here.
            As to the profit and business issue,in ref to accomodating Eritreans,don’t you know that Diaspora Eritreans tarvel more than any other Diaspora you might know under the SUN?And by default,since they do NOT travel for ” free”,for sure the Airlines that accomodate them will profit.
            Case in point:
            Consider and remember the contribution of the Eritrean travellers,not to mention the role of Eri members of the EAL during “those good days”.
            Fighting the PFDJ is one thing but boycotting and wishing “the worst” for the Eritrean Passengers is totally different issue,if I correctly understood what you are saying here..

          • haileTG

            hi hope

            “However, if an expensive airliner that requires a connecting flight in Doha is what is needed to serve Eritrean travelers to and fro diaspora, well they must all be travelling there to visit the statue of Alexander Pushkin in Asmara in the first place :-)”

            The above is pretty much what I think of the deal. It means that a responsible government would try to find a cheaper, convenient and reliable means of air transport for the diaspora who need to travel in a regular basis. You think I oppose an air service extended to Eritreans. No I don’t and the proof is quoted above. I consider the flattery of being more Eritrean and more caring of a people that one gives list hoot of their daily suffering is a hgdefite trade mark, booo….see it doesn’t scare anybody 🙂

            There is a Tigrinya adage ካብ ጸባ ዘተረኽበ’ስ ካብ ማይ ጸባ!! ሎሚ ኩሉ ጎሪሑ እዩ፡ ህግደፍ ዘይወዓሎ ሓልዮት፡ ዝበለየ ጥላም ሳእኒ ዝወድዩ ተለጠፍቲ ህግደፍ ተኻሂኖሞ’ልካ ምሕላም የዋህነት እዩ።

          • Hope

            Ok.thank you for your clarifcation and my apology for “misquoting” you,which I did NOT but misunderstood you.
            To that effect,I asked you to clarify to me.I did NOT misquote you or judge you.
            Please,with all due respect,stop that disrespectful and un-necessary mislabelling telling me that ” I am more Eritrean than others”.
            Again PFDJ is NOT equivalent to Eritrea/Eritreans.
            Now,you pushed me to bring the “old grudge” I have with you about the gross negative impact of the Economic Sanction Eritrea as a Nation, and Eritreans as a people are suffering.
            Please,do NOT tell me again that there is NO economic sanction here,and if you say so,then you fit the PERFECT definition of a Hypocrat by any standard,albeit,deliberately,as you know the ins and outs of every thing on this issue.!

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Papillon,
      .
      My crystal ball made me promise that I will not use it for profit, thus no wager.
      .
      The arrangement could be as simple as an appeal from President IA to Qatari leaders who approved it and sent down the order. There is no business decision to be made. However, the Qatari now will get their payments in other forms from President IA. It could be to have an upper hand in future dealings and says as well as have direct access to PIA. .
      .
      For God’s sake the Gulf country provided a mansion to Tiger Woods, the golfer and they pay millions of dollars to key golfers to appear in their annual golf tournament. MONEY IS NO OBJECT.
      .
      I hope, Papillon and others in the future will take Ethiopian Airlines to the gulf from around the world and hope in for the short hop in Qatari airways. After all we provide coffee and a genuine smile for the long trip than anybody else in the neighborhood.
      .
      K.H

  • Serray

    Selamat AT and everyone,

    Selamat Sal,

    Please tell the woman who IM you to stop blowing hot air into our noses. In many pfdj events, including the one they went to dance on the graves of shaebia regime victims, many of the attendees are women. So what happens to their “fierce, generous, beautiful, supreme IQ and EQ, selfless and loving” nature when the devil calls them? The reason there are fewer women in these forums is probably because they are busy or a big chunk of them support the regime or do not feel strong enough to spend any time discussing what ails our nation. However, what we lack in quantity we have it in quality. I will gladly trade a hundred pfdjs and semi-pfdj men in these forums for the dirt in hayat’s shoes.

    Here is the good news, in real life we have amazing women in the opposition: elsa, selam and meron to name a just few and I hope these giants remain engaged when the regime met its maker – for both our sakes and the eritrean women’s.

    Back to the topic,

    The passive side to the Africa summit, a side pushed by the regime as it walked away from the fruit it can’t reach, is that they don’t care about us anyway. AT seem to do an opposition version of it when you wrote, “we Eritreans must be the ones who OWN and develop the strategy for defeating the Eritrean regime and then for delivering salvation to our people. The US won’t; the EU won’t and the AU won’t” therefore “we should seek out alliances with the people of Africa who are subjected to similar power abuse and not with the fickle governments who are willing to turn a blind eye to them”.

    Suggesting that we dump the powers that have delivered the only biting punishment on the regime and instead take on a partnership with weak and abused people like us who are in no position to help us win (not to mention that their representative are in bed with neighboring dictators and the world at large) doesn’t sound a winning strategy to me. Logic dictates that we capitalize on the fact that isaias is the closest thing to criminal man whore and deserves more punishment and that the world should do it because we are weak and divided and our spectacular victory so far is limited to holding meetings.

    Sal articulated better the purpose of the article in his response to Haile TG when he said that finishing the last leg of the struggle requires bringing a portion of the regime to the opposition camp. Two problems with this strategy: first, the tactic can backfire because all it does is reinforce the wrong beliefs that made the supporters stick with regime in the first place. If you tell the selfish, detached and mindless supporters that they are right, that the world doesn’t care about us, they will cling to the regime even more because the regime ALWAYS tells them the world hates us. Second, this tactic assumes that the regime remains standing thanks to the support of people who can be swayed by a rational argument. Much bigger countries than ours forced a prime minister out, hold a day of mourning or go to war when they lose fewer than those we lose in sinai, libya, egypt or Mediterranean sea any given month. Bending backwards to attract people so unfeeling, so inhuman, in order to to deny a regime the support of opportunists who badmouth it behind its back anyway leaves a lot to be desired. But most importantly, this strategy ignores the brutal nature of the regime.

    The regime has tremendous disrespect for its supporters, even more than it does for the people . That is why it constantly challenges their humanity, their self-worth. To think that bringing people with absolutely no self-worth to the opposition camp will speed up the end game is suspicious at best. Whatever the ethiopians did to eritrea has its roots in ghedli; an armed struggle whose stated goal was to kick them out by force. Shaebia regime’s 23 years of unbelievable brutality has no basis whatsoever. The regime is killing, disappearing, torturing, enslaving, trafficking and maintaining a prison for profit in peace time. Anyone who supports this regime at this late stage is worse than the women who were dating the afagns in the nation’s darkest hour. Reformed pfdj and u-turn are purely diaspora concepts. When the regime implodes or when outsiders decide to take it out, the only target left for the people to vent their rage are the ones this article is trying to appeal. Please leave them where they are to face the consequence of their choices.

    • Thomas

      Serray – Thank you very much for spelling out the truth to AT. Truly, logic dictates all. Let’s just put it the way IA put it, African leaders conventions/meetings/summits are “Akeba Gowanu”. I can say we can start working with the IGAD nations. The Igad nations also want to shorten IA’s days in power. For the rest of Africans, we need to tell them to spell and pronounce the name of our country “Eritrea” correctly:)

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Serray,

      Excellent argument. One of your best I could agree with. The team want to travel the middle way, the so called “balanced way”. Now, either the regime is evil and fight it by all means or the regime is redeemable and fight it to redeem it by all means is the nature of the framed confrontation. The battle is between evil and the good with clear demarcation on the virtue they hold on. There is no expectation of good values from the evil. We should stand up and fight fiercely to win the battle.

      Amanuel Hidrat

    • haileTG

      hey Serray

      You’ve handled the two issues: women for power (Dr Sara’s) and finding the lost souls (saay’s) think tank rather well. I like it, good job 🙂 ( OK OK I admit, with a kinda of a little feeling of someone snatching the mic from the middle of my speech and delivering a better one on the same topic!! woof woof, you made this one a hell of an angry dog now 🙂 …kidding)

      Anyhow, on the women’s side, hardly anything to add, except that to say women being a pacifying and caring players is only validated by those who validate the underlining “social role stereotype” of a woman, i.e. child raring and other domestic chorus. Otherwise, why would one think that? As to why Eritrean women are as hopeless and paralyzed as many pro regime to play a pacifying and caring role while their fellow sisters are dying in thousands along their babies will be explained in the next paragraph that deals with the lost souls side of the equation here. But, my point here is that I find women more unyielding and “selfish” (meaning self interest is above and over anything). If you go shopping with a woman, guess who is likely to haggle for cheaper price? Who spends as much time returning objects they bought as the time spent purchasing them? Who worry and project anxiety all the time, forcing the man to consume one bottle of wine (of the finest quality known to man) every damn evening :-)…. Come on, women ain’t exactly angles, they make up 50% of mankind and own 100% of its problems (trust me my math is still good here, no wine yet 🙂

      On the lost souls, I think what saay thinks (and the AT may/may not be 100% in agreement with that, so this is a response to saay than AT) may be honorable but hard to be optimistic about it knowing what we know. Just take those people who were dancing in PFDJ festivals this summer, given that they knew and turned their back on the hundreds an hundreds of our citizens losing their lives and thousands grieving. Would you say that if the death toll was say double for the month of July, what would have been the chances that they would have shown sympathy, most likely zero. You can triple even quadruple the number, still would the same. Now, if it is this much obvious, then what makes anyone think that a pandering article would do the trick? I would say cold turkey is the best option. No PFDJ supporter can tell you one single reason for supporting PFDJ. Supporting PFDJ is done as an act of vengeance against others than for its own merits. There are no more horrors that can be presented to such people to help them change their mind. They have seen Eritrean mothers with their babies drowning in frightening tragedies while these people decided to raise the glass for it and dance all night in delight. I kind of understand the biblical parable about the father who was so delighted to see his long lost son back and hence treated and welcomed him better than the hard working and responsible son (the moral being equivalent to that where a shepherd would leave his entire flock behind to rescue the one that is snatched by the wolves). However, in this case the son hasn’t returned and my friend saay (sadly) is holding a party in his absence 🙁

      Regards

    • haileTG

      oops!!! I think disqus has chewed up my reply, let’s hope it would send it back out again:-)

    • Semere Andom

      Selamat Serray:
      You should consider elevating your commentaries to articles.
      It is refreshing to see someone attack the Eritrean political correctness. Most Eritreans are brainwashed by the external forces myth and shy from critiziing Eritrean women, the majority of whom grace the PFDJ events while they are the ones who suffer the most from the inhuman actions of pfdj in particular and EPLF that never emancipated them in the first place
      Sem

      • saay7

        Wad Andom:

        You need to come back safely to The Great White North because Italy has been hazardous to you thinking:

        1. Whenever people attack political correctness, they are congratulating somebody or something for candor, for saying something everybody shies away from saying.

        2. When you say “…the Eritrean women, the majority of whom grade the PFDJ events…” you have jumped on Operation ShetaHtaH. There is a difference between:

        (a) the majority of Eritrean women grace PFDJ events;
        (b) the majority of those who grace PFDJ events are women.

        You obviously (?) you didn’t mean the former. If you mean the latter, you haven’t supported it; you haven’t analyzed it. You have just done the “bejakhum aytezarbuna” thing. That Italian aqua minerale is not agreeing with you.

        saay

    • saay7

      Selamat Serray:

      The Eritrean lady who wrote me is no shrinking violet and I am often trying to recruit her to write for awate.com.

      There were two claims she made: (A) “Eritrean men are characteristically offensive, belligerent and close minded” and (B)”Eri women are fierce, generous, beautiful, supreme IQ and EQ, selfless and loving…and very tolerant of the luckiest men alive.”

      Ironically, in the process of rebutting her Claim B, you proved Claim A (“offensive and belligerent.” And you use Ali Salim 1.0 logic: all you have to do is replace “women” with “highlanders” and presto you will see that you are guilty of the same thing you used to accuse him.

      Her glowing description of “Eri women” should be seen from the context of how persecuted/oppressed people describe themselves. See also: Black Is Beautiful.

      Now then, to the topic.

      1. The West: The PFDJ’s view is that everything that is wrong with Eritrea was engineered by the West, particularly the United States. The AT view is that everything that is wrong with Eritrea was engineered by the Isaias regime. (From the public AT: saay tends to narrow the guilt to Isaias; SGJ tends to expand it to a relatively larger, but still a handful, of PFDJ officials.)

      The overlap is here: the PFDJ says the entire opposition (including AT) is bankrolled/owned/directed by the West and Ethiopia. Obviously, we vehemently disagree with this. We (AT) believe that many in the opposition have ceded authority about Eritrean matters to the West (and its NGOs) and to Ethiopia. Who speaks for arrested Eritrean journalists? CPJ and RSF! Eritrean journalists as supporting cast. Who speaks for arrested Eritrean citizens? HRW and Amnesty! Eritreans as supporting cast. Who speaks about Human Rights violations in Eritrea? The UN, HRW and Amnesy! You could go issue by issue, item by item, and a very honest appraisal would show that on OUR issues, WE Eritreans are second fiddle. We are dependent on the kindness of strangers. And because of that, because Eritrea is just one among many issues for them, how they prioritize us entirely dependent on them.

      Serray, when Forto occured and the world media wanted to get information, who did they talk to? Who was the authority explaining Eritrea to the world? Can you think of a single Eritrea that was used as an authority, an expert? We have subcontracted out our primary duty to foreigners and we are quite content to read what they write which is what we told them.

      This is where AT begins and ends. The rest is saay. Now let me remove my official AT hat (the Fedora) and put on my saay hat (basball cap backwards).

      Yo, yo, yo, yo Serray, Sem and Haile! ‘sup ma Habesha? Listen up:

      We have a difference of opinion on what it will take to remove Isaias Afwerki from power (as opposed to talking about removing Isaias Afwerki from power:) We have a difference of strategy. The good news is that you and I are thinking strategically, which is more than I can say about some/many/all who have not moved beyond stage 2: moral outrage.

      saay

      • haileTG

        Hey saay (…watch out man, when boys start to get into brawl about girls, it won’t be long before bottles start to fly in random directions 🙂 haha..

        On a serious note,

        You said that:

        “The overlap is here: the PFDJ says the entire opposition (including AT) is bankrolled/owned/directed by the West and Ethiopia. Obviously, we vehemently disagree with this.”

        But what is there to disagree about, other than understand where it is coming from. The PFDJ has designated woyane/Ethiopia as enemy for obvious reasons and tactic dictates that one minimizes the proliferating numbers of its enemies by denying their existence. Hence it would say all opposition are weyane and hence reduces the number to one enemy, and make it easy to focus the views of its supporters into this one enemy. A reasonable tactical positioning, and I am wondering why you disagree with your opponent’s tactics?

        Also you said that:

        “Who speaks for arrested Eritrean citizens? HRW and Amnesty! Eritreans as supporting cast. Who speaks about Human Rights violations in Eritrea? The UN, HRW and Amnesty! You could go issue by issue, item by item, and a very honest appraisal would show that on OUR issues, WE Eritreans are second fiddle.”

        Now that reminds me a kid who kept crying because he lost a quarter, when a generous passer by felt sorry and gave him a quarter. Yet, the kid continued crying!! Well, the passer-by comes back and asks “…now what is the matter?” and the kid replies “…if I still had my old quarter I would have had fifty cents with this one you gave me!!” 🙂 Now, in our case, the job of successful activism is to enable the powers to be to recognize the suffering of our people and marshal necessary pressure against the oppressor. That is now achieved and you seem to be lamenting that fact as something incomplete.

        And finally, you said:

        “…because Eritrea is just one among many issues for them, how they prioritize us entirely dependent on them.”

        Doesn’t that sound too laid back and un-self reliant on how important people take us to be. You once said in these comments sections “No Elsa Chyrum, no UNSC Special rapporteu for Eritrea would have been possibler”, that was following the latter’s first appointment. Are we now to think Elsa was just a second fiddle? Are all the achievements of activists world wide to be viewed as such?

        Regards

        • saay7

          Selamat Haile TG:

          There is no fighting over women here; it is just that the Ghedli-deromantics have become so humorless and so lacking in chivalry, they took issue with an ordinary woman expressing her frustration with the testosterone driven Eritrean forums:) By the way, do you think Ghedli de-romantics laugh? Somebody needs to do a TsaEda Wereqet on that:)

          Now then.

          I am not disagreeing with my opponent’s tactics. I am differentiating it with mine since whenever we (AT) move one inch to the left we are Weyane and one inch to the right we are Hgdef, I was differentiating: no we don’t think the Eritrean opposition is bankrolled by the West; yes, many in the Eritrean opposition have no qualms about the West owning their agenda because they have convinced themselves that we are not capable of anything. All the references to saena maEre egreka; “let’s be humble”, “let’s not be arrogant”, etc are intended to justify permanent dependence. Their ideal state is Djibouti and for France we will have Ethiopia or America.

          The story about the kid with the quarter is funny…..but, you missed my point and that of the editorial (zey’amelka): the West, the US did not sanction the PFDJ; nor did they disinvite Isaias Afwerki because they are concerned with how he is treating his people. They told you in black and white that they would have no problem engaging with him, inviting him to their parties, entering into treaties, if only he would allow them to accept an ambassador. I don’t know how many examples like that you want to see before you conclude what the ELF and EPLF concluded a long time ago: we control our agenda, and we invite friends. We don’t wait for our friends to design our agenda and then invite us to testify and to become character witnesses.

          Next time there is Forto 2015, remember who will be called to explain what is going on in Eritrea. It won’t be Haile TG:)

          saay

  • Boku

    Niernalki’s,
    Very funny indeed. Someone who is making a 24 hr-7 day-365 days effort to vilify, demonize and isolate Eritrea to the point of standing for Ketaruth has the audacity to claim another Eritrean isolated Eritrea. I have never seen vacillation and duplicity as such.

  • Nitricc

    Interesting what makes you to conclude to what you have declared. Please dont make me to believe in the virus of Asmara university. Please

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dr.Sara;
    I welcome you back and please come on as often as possible, Tzigereda, please ምቕልቓልኪ ይውሕደና ኣሎ። I also I feel as though the forum misses the contribution of Yodita, I hope to see her soon.
    I really feel Eritrean women were positioned well ahead of their African peers by virtue of their real participation and sacrifices in our liberation struggle. Sadly, Eritrean Women’s Union has been made useless by PFDJ, instead of becoming a women’s advocacy group, it’s rendered itself becoming another tool of oppression, just like the other civic associations. Young women and their brothers need to emancipate our women from the grip of PFDJ. I agree with you Dr. Sara that had there been women in the helm of our country things would have been different.
    I’m fortunate to have an intelligent, a more intelligent, woman in my life. As you know, women are more focused and realistic. They tend to focus on what’s doable, in things like raising their kids. My wife gave me permission to spend certain portion of my family time on private political life, because she thinks that keeps me sane (just kidding), but honestly, that’s how our women, particularly the middle age and older ones behave. I am delving into it because one of our participants asked if the wives of Awatistas men get involved in the discussions with their husbands. Anyway, my woman is tegadalit, she’s not happy about the situation back home, but she is more realistic than me; she tends to focus on what she could do.

  • Papillon

    Dear Sara,

    I beg to differ on the issue you raised in regards to confidence building where you seem to allude lacking in women particularly in Eritrea. If one is not terribly inflicted with short term memory, the very stellar women who are languishing in the dungeons of the tyrant are the ones who opted to call the tyrant out when the docile and useless (read: Askalu Menkerios, Fozia Hashim et al) recoiled back in to a morbid fear when he cracked down on dissident views. What is lacking in Eritrea is political space; capitalizing and investing in the human potential. If I could digress for a bit, our collective psychology (women) is goal oriented where it traces its inception to the very core of evolution. That is, the fact that a female comes to life with a limited number of eggs in her ova, she intends to invest them wisely and carefully where by the psychology of selecting a partner in life has shaped up her out look in life in general as well. To be more precise, the practical and realistic understanding of time have given women a leverage not only in multi-tasking, result oriented undertaking but in leadership as well. The rise of women in political and corporate leadership with in the last fifty years or so is a testament to that effect.

    Haft’khi.

  • Ermias

    Dear Dr. Sara. Welcome back. As you know full well, the Eritrean regime does have some women in pretty high posts as in Fozia Hashim, Askalu Menkerios, Salma Hassen (but she is frozen is what we here these days). They are not that influential as far as I can see but being a minister, of and on its own, is as high as it could get – one step away from the presidency. Do you not see the importance of these high profile women by virtue of their lack of influence? Why aren’t they influential? Is it by their own passiveness or that the system doesn’t quite allow for them to voice their opinions strongly? I am curious to see your take is on this.

    • Sarah

      Ermias,
      My opinion is when it comes to the situation of gender equality in Eritrea, we need to be a little objective. What we saw in 1991 and during the struggle was women doing their duty which is half of the ‘fighting for liberation business’.What we have missed is to what extent were they given their right position in decision making posts during the struggle. We might have refused to see that
      there were very few, very, very few who managed to fight their way up. We do not even know where they are. Mind you, I am referring to those women who can talk and do politics. The ones we see (about four, I think) have become numb to their true feelings and have no conscience at all. They are willing collaborators with the regime.
      We also have to understand that being allowed to carry a weapon, fight and die for ones cause does not mean being given your right. We have to ask questions like were they given equal opportunity to excel in their education before and after liberation. Were they given the support they deserved after liberation both by their organisation and by the society they served and sacrificed? The few who
      have the tags of ‘Minister’ do not represent an average fighter. They are simply decorations in the whole system. They are not there by virtue of their wisdom, talent or education. They were selected for who they are to team up with the weak and wicked.

  • Rahwa T

    Elenta,

    I didn’t mention the Professor’s name. I was talking about the little-man who has a wrong picture of himself with a “thick skin” to call himself as the 3rd Oromo in developing the Amharic literature. Of course, he doesn’t speak the tangue of his new lovers. Otherwise he would have presented his talk in Oromo to please them and earn few thousand more money. Do you know that Tesfaye is a mere high school graduate? How could someone with this background and with a normal mind try to compare himself with a World Laureate Tsegaye and best writer Baalu Grima, unless he has some sort of psychological disease?
    If you said it was none of your business, how did you dare to talk on issue you don’t have a clue, Mr Elenta? Where did you get that “yeburQa zimta” was a semi-historical novel of the Oromo “nation”? Did you hear it from the mouth of this Derg lieutenant? For us it was clear that he was on a mission doing the dirty work he was assigned to do by his masters in Asmara. In the video he has said it that the local Oromo call the river “Bishan SheTan” for the water kills cattle when they drink it. The rest is his fiction that he produced using “Chat” and was devised to create a long lasting conflict among the two big ethnic groups in the country. May be that was why the shaebian propagandists on Radio DimXi Hafash used to say that they have given the Ethiopians a 100 years assignment to solve. If you and your likes are proud of this Amiche, it is up to you. My final advice to you: Please stick to the point and tell us based on what you know and listened in the video.

    • abinet

      Rahwa nefse,
      This guy is telling us Menelic annexed oromo around 1890. Which means just after Adwa. As far I know, Menelic was from shewa,, which is dominantly oromo . Can you make any sense out of it? It smells very olf.
      I am glad he didn’t say Menelic colonized oromo.
      Btw, professor Tes, explained to me the other day that Ethiopia never colonized Eritrea. It just annexed it . I really feel better.

  • Hope

    Elenta,
    Why would you ask the question that you know the answer about?
    Mind you,you are dealing with people who belittled and trashed selectively the role of Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin,simply because they have Eritrean blood:
    -They trashed and cursed a dead person,the ex-owner of the BEST and the most productive Bakery in Ethiopia,not just in Addis
    -They belittled the major role Eritreans played for building the infra-structure of Ethiopia–from little kiosks to top Ground and Air Transportation Services,who were the pioneers and backbone of the EAL
    -The role the Eritreans played in advancing the telecommunications services
    -The role of Eritreans played in booming the Tourism and Hotels Services
    -The role of Eritreans in the Ethiopian Education and Health Services
    -The BIGGEST Role Eritreans have played in the Ethiopian Military and Politics/Civil Adm—inclundng Zeray Deres,Lorenzo Ta’zaz,etc,..and ,Air Force Commander Habtetsion H.,who destroyed the Somali Air Force besides evading all the deadly Somali Missiles—etc—-
    The hypocracy here is that they selectively “respect” people when they like it and when it fits them but then they curse and dehumanize people when they do not like them-for whatever reason.
    -The role the EPLF played in decimating the killer of the Ethiopian people in general and the Ethiopian Youth in particular,besides the EPLF firmly standing for a strong and United Ethiopia when their own TPLF was using divide and rule tactic in order to achieve its goals.
    No matter what though,they CANNOT erase history and make their own “History”,coz history is HISTORY-“FACTand TRUTH!
    N.B.
    On my limited capacity,I was involved,and contributed positively, for the Advancement of Ethiopia in some of the fields that I have mentioned.Do I regret?Heavens NO! Rather,I am proud of it.
    I just feel guilty for NOT serving my own Eritrea and my own people as much as I have contributed for Ethiopia and Ethiopians.
    We do not expect and ask for “Appreciation or Admiration” but acknowledgement based on Historical Facts,and ofcourse,just to leave us alone.
    The sad and futile thing is debating with these kind of destructive debators and audience.
    But if they leave us alone, we would care less about Eritrean Contribution
    !!!
    .Is that too much to ask for?

    • abinet

      Hope,
      on behalf of all ethiopians in this forum, I thank all eritreans who helped us to get out of the dark ages. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
      After your independence, since we don’t have anyone to guide us we are falling apart. Our airline shut down, our university changed to a boot camp, we are using candle light instead of electricity, we do not eat pasta anymore, the list is very long. In general, we are lost . We need you back badly. We can not do it with out you.
      Hope, you remind me Tamrat Layne. In one of his press conference, around the referendum, he said “we use eritreans as experts”. Unfortunately, the experts chose their own country and left us in the dark.
      Hope , tell me one thing that only an eritrean expert does that can’t be done by an Ethiopian?
      Tell me also about the Singapore thing or was it Japan,Germany? I forgot.

  • Tzigereda

    Dear T.Kifle,
    That is no good news, a SHE could have saved the horn of Africa. Well then, there will be another hashwiye, bebi-sirekha, what a pity!

  • Thomas

    Do we have time to see sad faces of our people as you will see after following the below url? Really, do we have encourage the mafias by even agreeing or supporting that the US is the reason for 357 (Lampadu victims with the pregnant woman’s umbilical cord hanging while she was trying to save her life and in her labor at the sometime; and the little innocent kids drowning deep into the ocean with no clue of what is going on). I don’t want to see a country with her people going through this.

  • Tzigereda

    Dear T.Kifle,
    I agree with your statement that wars would have been avoided when women would have the “power”. What do you think is the probability that a woman will be the next PM in Ethiopia next year? As for Eritrea, I am afraid we have to wait much longer..

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Tzigereda,
      As it stands now, there is no hope women would take the highest office any time soon. So far no visibility at all. Still it’s a world of the testosterone 🙂

  • Tzigereda

    Dear T.Kifle,
    My understanding is that both governments were responsible for the border war ( the average eritrean calls it ” werar Weyane”), and the victims were the people of this two states. Acknowledging this, doesnt require belonging to one gender. And being a Man should not ” justify” or be used as an ” excuse” for destructive actions like war, neither yesterday nor tomorrow.

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Tzigereda,

      It’s a common wisdom that had women were at the helm of affairs, many of the destructive wars the world had seen would have been minimized or avoided. Other than that I don’t pretend I have a knowledge about this matter.
      Speaking of the war, I don’t think all Eritreans agree on the Werar weyane” punchline.

  • Tzigereda

    Dear T.Kifle,
    You told Sara “.. Weyane invasion” sort thing makes you unwoman”. I dont understand what you really mean. Did you say this because the invaiders are composed “only” by MEN? So would the conclusion be that ” invaiders” are inhuman? What does a woman mean for you?

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Tzigereda,

      What I mean is my average woman is honest in many ways far better than the average man. Sara is capable of weighing what this statement would mean to the conscience of honest people. It’s unwomanly to wrong the victim.

      • Ermias

        Dear T. Kifle,

        Your three sentences above are completely subjective and each one is weighed differently depending on whom you ask.

        “Average woman more honest than average man” – well, I wouldn’t say there is no difference between men and women but at the end of the day everything balances out and men and women do the same things but usually for different reasons. See below from the discovery channel website:

        “Men and women lie with about the same frequency, but they lie for different reasons. Men lie to make themselves look better in the eyes of others, while women tend to lie to spare feelings and make other people feel better.”

        I will let Sara reply for the second sentence.

        For the third – well you are saying basically ‘weyane’ was the victim but nearly all Eritreans believe they are the victims. IA started the war, okay, I can give you that. But Ethiopia escalated the war to levels that were completely unwarranted. See, it depends on whom you ask. Two more things – Sara should have said ‘the border war with Ethiopia’ instead of the ‘Weyane invasion’ and you could have said ‘immoral’ instead of ‘unwomanly.’ Not your best comment by any stretch, T. Kifle.

        • Hope

          You see Bro Ermi why I said what I said about you?
          Irrespective of our differences and ex-change of few “Unwarranted” words between us,I stand firm on my position about you:
          -Intelligent
          -Articulate
          -Reasonable mostly,except at times you mis-Dx people ,which is acceptable as a Human Being
          But be consistent and firm on your stand though— hope you will challenge YG at one time,rather than joining his school.
          You should be either a Lawyer or Law School Student besides EnglishLanguage Major,which will not surprise me.
          Keep it up.

        • T. Kifle

          Dear Ermias,

          Of course, it’s a subjective judgement. That’s generally based on what I observe in my everyday life.
          As to “escalating of the war”, at a risk of being redundant, it must be a euphemism coined by IA’s spin doctors in their effort of transferring the burden on to the victim. IA is a victim of his own linear thinking. He( in fact many) predicted Ethiopia would negotiate at gun point. When that prediction failed them, they escalate their propaganda and accused Ethiopia, the victim, of escalating the war. Ermias, this notion is tantamount to believing IA would solve problem of that magnitude in amicable manner. That’s not in his nature. No amount of negotiation would have brought the man down from his high horse. In any case, all is gone now. Eritrea indeed was the aggressor. There are no corners round it.

          • Ermias

            T. Kifle, I just felt like your previous comment was a little blunt compared to everything I read from you so far. I didn’t mean to drag you into ‘who did what’ in the border war. The other thing is I get no ‘talking points’ from IA’s spin doctors. In fact, when they say the sky is blue, I say it is green just so I don’t find myself in any agreement with them (well not literally but I despise them that much). I have always felt the war was very avoidable had IA been a normal sane person. Okay, but I have always also held that Meles and Co. should have limited their offensives in the areas that were being disputed. I think in the Ethio leadership, there is (or was) a little bit of a confusion that Shaebia and the Eritrean people are the same thing. They are far from it. So the indiscriminate nature of the offensives still makes me wonder. If you are going to say again ‘well Shaebia also deported people, killed civilians etc.’ then there is no difference between the regime in Asmara and that in Addis Ababa. You make very strong and compelling, convincing arguments that the regime in Addis is by far better but if it is reactionary and retaliatory, then that makes the two regimes the opposite sides of the same coin.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Ermias,
            I think you are mixing two things here.
            1. The Ethiopian leadership indeed differentiated the ruling clique and the sovereign people of Eritrea. How focused the actual operation of the war is another matter as it depended on many variables on the ground. But you could see in its limited aerial response which we wouldn’t hope IA behave the same, granted better tactical capability. Making sure that IA wouldn’t commit another blunder was the main objective of the war and in doing so the retreating forces were chased out which gave an impression of hidden agenda beyond the limit of self-defence.
            2. The demand of the Ethiopian parliament for unconditional withdrawal of the invading forces is legitimate. I know no single Ethiopian, including the lunatics in the diaspora, point fingers at this very decision. If it were wrong, we would expect some divergent views emerge over time but none so far. If Ethiopians have regrets it’s for not striking the iron while it’s hot and end the IA’s rule.

          • Ermias

            Dear T. Kifle, I can’t argue on your point number 2. I wish I could counter argue in the interest of Eritrea but IA left us with not much material with respect to the ignition of the war except to blame him along the rest of the world. Sorry to say but I couldn’t find other ways around it.

            This from the Claims Commision (on Ethiopia’s claims 1-8):

            17. This leaves Eritrea’s third line of argument, based on Ethiopia’s alleged declaration of
            war. On May 13, 1998, the Ethiopian Council of Ministers and Parliament passed a resolution
            that condemned the May 12 invasion and demanded the unconditional and immediate
            withdrawal of Eritrean forces from Ethiopian territory. This resolution was not, as Eritrea has
            asserted, a declaration of war. In international law, the essence of a declaration of war is an
            explicit affirmation of the existence of a state of war between belligerents.12 Nevertheless, the
            resolution made clear that Ethiopia would not accept Eritrea’s advances as a fait accompli
            and was determined to act in self-defense until the Eritrean forces withdrew or were
            compelled to leave the areas they had occupied. Ethiopia so notified the United Nations
            Security Council, pursuant to Article 51 of the UN Charter. Moreover, the Commission notes
            that the Parties subsequently maintained diplomatic relations and some economic relations,
            both of which would appear inconsistent with a formal declaration of war.

          • Hope

            Ermi,
            I would at least consider asking your debator the following question rather jumping into accusing PIA:
            -Why did the Ethiopian Gov rush into declaring all out War rather than taking its time and giving the Eritrean Gov to think more,as Mr. Yemane ghebreab lamented.Can’t you see some thing fishy here for rushing into declaring War officially?
            Isn’t it an Official Invasion of a country what the Ethiopian Gov did on Adi Muriug and officilaly and illegally incorporating a big chunk of the EritreanTerritory to the “Abay Tigray” Map?

          • Ermias

            Hope, I hope T. Kifle can answer those questions (I am sure he has many times before because those questions arise all the time). The thing, Hope, is how much can you prove in court? As you can see in the paragraph I copied and pasted in my comment to T. Kifle, the world’s definition of declaration of war is not the same as how you are seeing it. I am not saying it is a fair world, I am not naive. But IA doesn’t seek advice from people who know international laws. If he consulted on his move with anybody with some brains, they would have advised him that he had actually started war and he better sit on the table or move back from the recently (May 1998) occupied territories. This is where I agree with Saay, that IA is more or less solely responsible.

            Adi Murug – where is the evidence? See the Ethiopians ran to the UN security council and documented their case when Eritrean tanks moved into Badme. Plus, anyone can redraw any map and declare the whole world belongs to him. The crime or declaration of war or invasion comes when you put people in there displacing other people or even without that. What we had were the colonial maps (see documented paper trail) and we won a whole bunch of contested territory. Go to wikipedia and you will see a map there showing blue (as claimed by Eri but awarded to Ethio) and green (as claimed by Ethio but awarded to Eri). In the final court decided map, you see much more green than blue. But with whatever evidence the Ethiopians had and with whatever IA lacked, the court decided that Eritrea started the war. The difference – Ethiopia has a normal looking government with checks and balances no matter how flawed or imperfect. We, well, we have a one man show. The whole situation is kind of murky and not that clear cut but if one’s evidence is even minutely better, he wins.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ermias;
            Intelligent, articulated and patient. Keep building on it, I have nothing to add, there is no question Eritrea started the war, but it’s not an invasion as my friend T.Kifle repeats. Eritrea mishandled a question of contested border/territory, mishandled whatever followed of diplomatic endeavors, and we are paying the price. Ethiopians of course took advantage of that and widened the war. But how can we blame them? At the end war is war, there is no gentle war; once you are in it, Generals take over. The language of Generals is quite different from that of the diplomats. Therefore, what started as an skirmish in Badme Ethiopians spread it to Tsorona, Zalambassa, Burie fronts. They had a comparative advantage of human and material resources. OMG, walahi Ermias I have not read what Hope said about you, and coincidentally, both of us came up with the same description of Ermias. Wow!! Well keep it brother.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Mahmud,

            If that was not invasion, then why was all the repeated call to the national services (yikaalos) though the EriTV and DmXi Hafasha a month before the thanks crossed the border towards Badme? Why was the strong warming statements and “Hateta” were coming from the Eritrean cabinet and Ministry of Zena days after Ethiopian Bank replaced its old birr with a new one (six months before the May12 insidence)? Many national services of the previous rounds were marching to Asmara in response to the “Motherland’s call”. Were they being called for development?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Rahwa;
            Good to see you.
            1. The national service had nothing to do with Badme, it had started way before the war. National service was a noble program, but it has been abused, and it’s my opinion that a representative body should take care of its fate.
            2. I was not in the country during those days so I can’t really comment on mass media or any other preparations, but I have not heard that sort of campaigns.
            3. An invasion is widely understood as an aggression to control another country’s territory. Eritrea did take control of an area it believed belonged to her. As the verdict of the international court attests, surely Badme belonged to her. Nevertheless, I still believe Eritrea’s decision to take control of Badme by force was wrong, and I am for peaceful dealings regarding any contentious issues. We’ve seen it; both peoples lose more by confrontation and gain more by cooperation, and I believe that’s what we have to focus on as members of salam club.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Mamhufday,

            What difference you think does it make if you were to admit Eritrea attacked Ethiopia? Your answers are off the cuff type and lacks in the then developments as they happened. Eritrea invaded Ethiopia. It could have a bunch of territorial claims. There is nothing wrong in having claims. But the very thinking that its claims would be effected through sheer force is the sickness you should desist. Unfortunately, you are still at it.

            1. The national service indeed had everything to do with war making. yes, it started before the war. It’s a non-starter you prepare for it before you declare a war.

            2. Be honest, the propaganda is still running wild upto this day. No geographical separation will hinder you understanding the ill-intended propaganda of the regime.

            3. Badme was part and parcel of the Ethiopian administration. They could have negotiated it with their counter part in good faith or could have been taken it to international arbitration saving the despicable human suffering and lost opportunities. Badme is more Eritrean right now than it was in 1998. Then, why don’t they take it by force?This really is a shoddy argument you are making. We all know that Eritrea wanted its way in the economic sphere and Badme was the means to a bigger end: controlling the Ethiopian Market. It had nothing to do with territorial ambition but a way of asserting hegemony in economy anchored on powerful muscle flexing.

            He run over it sending 2 mechanized brigades while no single soldier around from the other side. I knew every minute detail of the events and the locations, status, the number and combat readiness of our army. There was no vocabulary of war except the few things both governments(Eth and Eri) helped the SPLA in its fight against the Khartoum government shadowed by Alturabi The government rejected possibility of War with Eritrea when few of the executive warned that Eritrea’s move insinuated ominous signs of an impending war. That’s rejection from the top leadership was the source of major controversy in the aftermath of the war and resulted in TPLF’s split.

            The government was keen to resuscitate the economy from the ashes. Believing that Ethiopia wouldn’t face short-term wars(mainly from inside and neighbours) the military was completely neglected and out of the 60K combatants at the end of the derg regime, more than 30K got demobilized, about 26K new recruits were indicted to the army mainly from other nations which had no presence during the struggle. SO when Eritrea invaded Badme, Ethiopia had about 56K ill-equipped army in south, eastern and central parts of the country. What was the picture on the other side? yes, the Eritrean defence had more than 250K members(warsay+yika’alo) ready to strike “anywhere in Ethiopia”. Though IA’s ambitions were not about territory he couldn’t swallow his pride and rectify his mistakes once he understood things were turning against his design. He simply pushed his stubborn position and failed to withdraw the forces out of Badme. Could Ethiopia still been accommodative, bowing to the demand of Eritrea’s terms? Even if Ethiopia braved and accepted that demand, would peace be prevailed without changing the facts that caused the war? I don’t think so.

            Eritrea has failed its expectations in all aspects of the term. That’s clearly visible. Now, it’s not it’s failures Eritrea is trying to hide but the causes of its failures. It appropriated all its failures to the USA, Weyane and internal conspirators. You are are inadvertently dancing to the tune of this flurry of propaganda the PFDJ have perfected over the years. I urge you come to your senses and make sense.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            T.Kifle;
            This is my ደሓን’ዶ ውዒልካ? There are things we can say for sure, and things we can infer from whatever mess took place.
            Here are what I can say for sure, and I said them to my friends Rahwa and Abraham. Both of us also debated them in detail.
            1. On National service: Nations decide how to prepare their human resource, particularly small nations like Eritrea. Many countries including democratic ones use it. Generally speaking, Ethiopia can think of Eritrea’s national service as a threat only if it’s in a state of war with Eritrea, otherwise, it’s widely used in the world. I mention the following to bring to your attention that Ethiopian strategists understood the intention of national service, thus they continued their cooperation with Eritrea in big international games, I will mention two:
            – The program was made into law in October 1995, and I believe, the camp was opened soon.
            – In December 1995 the Hanish conflict broke out with Yemen, Ethiopia sided with Eritrea (thanks).
            – 1997-98, blessed and supported by the US, Eritrea and Ethiopia were poised to attack the Sudan. I don’t know why Ethiopian government would go this far in its relations with Eritrea if it saw the national service was targeting its sovereignty.
            – Historically, volunteerism had been part of the DNA of Eritreans as well as Tigreans. Of course. Now it’s been misused and abused, and it needs to be halted. What future democratically-constituted legislature does about it is a matter of speculation.
            2. I said it so many times, war and the news of war serve only the elites. War consumes the young and disadvantaged. I don’t entertain it my friend. I invite those who beat the drum of war to come in to our club, we have a rehab section for them (you said you’re safe from that virus and I believe you, I take your word, but you will definitely need a more thorough screening by the great FG).
            3. Better not to dwell on this section of the debate, because finally, both peoples lost; they lost their son’s and daughters. I’m not happy (and my friends know that) when I see grizzly carnage on TV, I ask myself ” and why should people boast of killing these many…” As an Eritrean I feel sorry for Ethiopian mothers and fathers. And I’m sure you have the same heart towards Eritrean parents. I would appreciate if you understand my answers to Rahwa and Abraham in their entirety. I would better think of human beings slaughtered on both sides instead of numbers. The matter has been dealt with in a court of law, but it’s beyond our capacity to finalize it the way we would want it to be finalize, but we have hope; we have hope one day both people will recognize this historic juncture as the lowest point in their relations and move on. The world is moving away from us faster than we Eritreans could even think of. I encourage Eritreans and Eritrean friends not to be victims of the propaganda you mentioned.
            Finally: It’s my believe that Ethiopia is going to be strategic in our renaissance, there is no question about it, so I have no ill wishes for it. Join us in our salam club.

          • T. Kifle

            Mahmud Arkey,

            1. I agree with you that national service is not necessarily ill-intended. That’s why Ethiopia didn’t take it as a threat till it was invaded. It only recommended in good faith that national service wasn’t a pressing issue when no sign of threat was in sight I presume you are aware of the strategic military alliance we had prior to the war. The objective was to combine forces and deter any threats the might come from unsuspected corners without the necessity of building big military establishments in each country that would dissipate the meager resources post war economies could offer. The help (mainly air defense) being extended to Eritrea during the Hanish skirmish had been part of that military pact. Actually both governments wee almost bullying the horn states and specially Sudan after the assassin attempt on pres. Mubarak of Egypt. By know it’s a public knowledge that mechanized battalions of Eri and Ethio backed SPLA from the Ugandan boarder and cornered Sudan to succumb to their demands of removing the Islamist group lead by Hassen Alturabi.
            2. I don’t see any reason the elites could make something out of that debilitating war. Personally, it was my lowest in my entire life. I still feel it deep in my bones. That’s why I hate anything that insinuates into the repeat of that kind of horror. Of course it might served few guys around IA but I believe that deep down he regretted his decisions too. In the light of this I am ready to appear at Dr. FG’s screening center and I am confident that I would be declared free of the “virus” of hate and war mongering.
            3. That’s the sane option we have at hand but building confidence rests on acknowledging wrongs as they happened and in a manner that bridges understanding and peaceful coexistence.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Arkey T.Kifle
            I think I do agree with the core of the message. I believe the trend is towards realizing the opportunities we’ve lost. It’s important citizens amplify what binds us more than what separate us. As you know, politicians don’t always put interest of the people ahead of their personal or partisan interests, but free citizens should act freely. We will occasionally stumble into the pits of history, however, if we keep reminding each other respectfully, I think we will do fine. I have to tell you that the video of Amora has touched me, and I feel so bad to see two people who bled for each other’s cause turning against each other in such madness; hopefully, our children don’t go through it. Well, I have friends staying over for the night in my house, and it’s about time to retire for the night.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear
            Mahmud,

            Sorry, as I said it before visiting Awate.com is now almost like an addiction to me.
            Despite having a very tight time schedule, I have to read news or comments (while
            still my focus could be on somewhere else). That is why you sometimes find my comment not clear. Now to the point of the National Services again; I was not referring the objective of the National Services. As you said, countries can have their own military or economic policies that could mobilize the citizen. I know that the Services
            started two or three years before the war and that means already Saw had trained two or three rounds. So I was referring the two or three rounds of already-trained National Services (warsay). These warsay were sent back to their home once they complete the training (I guess). At least I remember many trained warsay were in Ethiopia. What I was saying was two or three months before the war, these warsays were being called to serve their country. Eሰል: ሎሚ zeይዓሰለ ይባሃል ነይሩ. ተሻሞ ይድረፍ ነይሩ::. Then how come a war was erupted suddenly two months after this official call to the warsay who participated at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round of the military training. ማሕሙድ ዓቢ ሓውና ቆቁሩብስ ሽጣራ ይርዳአና’ኮዩ. I hope I have cleared myself. No need of explanation on the in poratnce of National Services to a nation. ኩናት እንትርፊ ኪሳራ ጥቕሚ ክምዝይብሉ ንዓብይቲ ሰኣን አላይ: ንቆልኡ ሰአን አቦን አደን: ነንስቲ ሰአን አሰብኡት የትርፍ:: ክድገም የብሉን:: ሓቂ ግን ክንገር አለዎ እየ ዝብል ዝለኹ’ምበር ካሊእ ምኽሰብ የብሉን:: Thank you.

          • abrham

            Aya Mahmud,

            Milisha Akmitomsi … Ethiopia spread the skirmish tebahilu ? Wey Gud. There was no even a soldier for weeks in Zalambesa, Aiga and tsorona but militias from Eastern tigrai specifically from Hawzien with no military experience. They fight against Yikalo and Warsays until the regular defense forces come into the area from some where in the remote areas to the south. Many of these militias were captured with in days.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Abraham,
            I know the difference between militia and regular army. Why would untrained militia be put on Zalambasa when Ethiopia had more than enough regular army? This is without mentioning that Ethiopia had assembled divisions within weeks. So, Abraham, we can’t bury facts. My position would be to get engaged on things we can accomplish which is talking hope and reconciliation. I hope you join us in our club. I find you to be a reasonable and respectful person. Fanti Ghana can do some sessions with you and you are on board.

          • abrham

            Yes Aya, we can’t bury facts. Imagine when a country like Eth had not more than 60000 regular army. That’s why they had been in a hurry recruiting new trainees. Any way that is another bad history of these people. I hear your call Mahmud that’s a call any one will respect and thanks for your generous words .

          • Hope

            Ermi,
            Brilliant as usual when it comes to Logic 101.
            But I thought we are debating for the sake of debating ONLY as the final verdict is a done deal.
            As to PIA’s mistakes,I think even the 5th grader knows them well; and I am NOT debating on that.
            Mr Haile Drue and now, Vet Mahmoud Saleh here, made it crystal clear in very plain and short statement,which mesmerized me more than any thing and any body else.
            As to Adi Murug’s incident evidence,the official letters between the two leaders were presented as evidence to the Court but was NOT considered for some weird legal reasons,rather,it was assigned to a different body,the AU,which did NOT do its job for obvious reasons.
            As to the simple technical disasters Eritrea,rather PIA, made,the whole Eritean people (I mean the Non-functional Assembly,,) and the Cabinet were responsible.
            Again, refer to Vet Mahmoud Saleh’s one single but potent statement he made in this forum last week,that refreshes what SAAY and others lamented about.
            For the sake of arguement and curiosity though,please consider:
            -The above questions I asked/poised
            -The unfair,biased and double-standard modus operandi of the world business
            -the “good ‘ intentions and trust PIA had towards his brother-in-arms,PMMZ,R.I.P.
            -The Impotence of the Erittrean Cabinet and non-functional Assembly
            -Possible conspiracy between Meles and PIA
            -The unknown secrets about PIA’s motivation/intention
            -Dr Andeberhan’s Book
            -Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie’s Book/Discussion Paper-though flip-flopping stand–like ” me”
            -PMMZ’s book:” Kalsi Hizbi Ertra kabey nabey”
            On a serious note thought,since it is a DONE DEAL,why are we living in the PAST,as my Mentor ,Vet Amanual Hidrat lamented again and again.
            Now that we learned from our mistakes,let us move forward and talk the talk about the National and Regional Reconciliation and Regional Econmic Integration,whcih our Southern neighbor does NOT want talk,as they believe there is NOTHING to talk about with the “Dying Regime” but to remove it by force soon.
            BTW,can you throw your words on this Ermi and ask T Kifle his opinion,as you seem to be in the same boat and the same “peace club”?
            Take a look at what Haile TG said on this issue.
            He literally told me that it is a done deal that the time is REAP to throw away the dying regime with a simple Military blow,which he comnfirmed to be :”A fact like a day light”!!
            God forbid even though that statement assumes that God and Eritreans do NOT exist.

          • saay7

            Selamat Ermi:

            Well. I didn’t see THAT coming. I had you figured out as a YG-cultist whose defining belief system is “When in doubt, blame Eritrea and Eritreans first.” I think that he meant by “People First”: “Blame Eritrea First”.

            Now then, the EEBC of course could not look at things it wasn’t mandated to do; the AU, which had the mandate of investigating the root causes of the war, pulled an AU: absent without leave.

            Here’s something to add to the mix.

            In 1997, over at Dehai.org, we had some heavy argument about God-knows-what and I proposed that those of us frequent-posters should take a vow of silence. Included in that list was Dr. Tekie Fessezion (RIP.) In early march 1998 (two months before the outbreak of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border conflict) he came back to write at Dehai. This is how he began his posting:

            “I have been itching to jump into the Nakfa exchange rate discussion for a while. Yet I could not. You see, some ten months ago Saleh Younis prevailed on me to take a vow of silence for one month. I enjoyed the month so much so that I vowed to extend it to another eleven months to make it year long. So here I am in my tenth month of my long sabbatical from “public” Dehai. I must confess, however, that lately my determination has been weakening, in part because of the irresistible nature of the subject. That’s why I have been looking for an excuse to get back.”

            The topic was Eritrea’s introduction of Nafka (November 1997), Ethiopia’s introduction of the new Birr, and how that was affecting cross-border trade and the relationship between the two countries. It is a long read, but it is, in my view, mandatory reading for those who want to understanding what was going on in the months preceding the outbreak of war. The article is called “Eritrean-Ethiopian State of Economic Relations: A Nakfa/Birr/LC Analysis.” Something to add to your stew:

            http://www.denden.com/Conflict/newscom/com-tek98.htm

            saay

        • Nitricc

          Ermias you said
          “IA started the war, okay, I can give you that”
          How do you know? Who is your source?

          • Thomas
          • Ermias

            Nitricc, I am not so sure if you believe in international commissions and courts but here it is. You created work for me but I don’t mind. Read articles 14 – 20 or the entire thing if you can.

            http://www.pca-cpa.org/upload/files/FINAL%20ET%20JAB.pdf

          • Hope

            Ermi/sara/tsighereda/Nittric,
            My apology for the interjection.
            On the same token,Nittric should ask you: “Do you believe that there is also a serious BIAS and DOUBLE STANDARD about the decisions made by the same International Commissions and Courts you are referring to?’
            As a side note,Nittric/sara/Tsighereda also should aks T kifle :
            -1)Why did the Ethiopian Gove invaded and took over Adi Murug on a day light?
            2)-Why did the Ethiopian Gov deported in an organized manner the Eritreans from Baduma,unilaterally despite that both the TPLF and the EPLF agreed to peacefully demarcate the contested territories ,which should also apply to questions # 1 and 3?
            3)Why did the Ethiopian Gov unilaterally incorporated a big chunk of The eritrean Territories unilaterally?
            4) Why did the Ethiopian Gov declared war while the Eritrean delegation barely left Addis who went for the same talk on peacefully resolving the border issue?

          • Rahwa T

            Nitricc, are you still reading the articles? We are waiting for your summery, please.

        • Rodab

          Yes indeed Ermias a very capable debater and I join Hope and MaHmud in acknowledging that.
          I haven’t said this outloud but in my world, you are YG Jr. for two reasons: a) a commendable articulation of issues and b) deep resentment towards Ghedli and tegadelti. Of course I consider the former very healthy whearas the latter unhealthy for it might impede your objectivity. This is not meant to open the very tiring (for me at least) topic of Ghedli.
          I told you the other day I take on Awatistas randomly and no one I spare:-)

          • Ermias

            Rodab, thank you for your kind words. I think you are among the most elite awatistas yourself. I actually prefer to see myself as an individual with some strong reservations about some ghedli details. I may have been critical at times of tegadelti but I think it is unfair to resent the terra tegadalay.

          • Rodab

            Hey Ermias,
            Thanks for the kind words, but no I decline to be mentioned as ‘one of elite awatistas’. Too heavy a burden to carry. As stated many times before, the AT must have been doing something right to attract such sharp minds all over the place. Other Eri sites haven’t discovered the secrete recipe which, incidentally, I happen to know what it is. But I am not sure the team would be happy with me disclosing it. I thought Asmarino was going to pose threat with its Disqus rollout. That hasn’t been the case thus far. Assena, I think, is the tier 1 competitor but it is a little too hard to compare since it doesn’t use Disqus. You got compare apple to apple. I don’t comment elsewhere but I visit most Eri sites. Madote comes in third place in terms of forum population, then Tesfa News. Meskerem doesn’t have comments section, Dehai does have but hard to compare since they use unique format. What are the unlikelihood for shabait to provide comments section? I bet the chances are worse than someone getting hit by lightning. Actually this is the same everywhere. Whitehouse.gov, State.gov, Waltainfo.com,..
            All in all no matter the view difference, it is good to have a number of websites to visit to and see what compatriots are up to.
            Man, how did I veer off to totally unrelated topic!?

          • Saleh Johar

            Rodab, I thought you knew about website popularity and ranking like football. 1-1, pari!

            Actually readers gravitate where they think the debate satiates their need for decent debate; there is no way on measuring that properly, there are unknowable variables. Website popularity is measured by several variables. For example, pageviews, number of visitors, bounce rates, duration of visit divided per pageview, geographical distribution of visitors, loading time in milli-seconds, etc–those tools are readily available. There are very few websites that do ranking, but unless the website owners allow them to put a code/tag on the website, they can only guess… and their ranking is unreliable. Alexa, one of the first websites to start ranking has gone subscription, their data is estimates and unless you have a subscription you will not know their findings. Of course there is no secrete can remain hidden from google which provides website tools to measure performance. It’s called GoogleAnalytics which gives age, gender, education, and geographical breakdown of the visitors of a website. We are thinking of sharing with Friends of Awate our key stats, we might do that in September for the period March-August 2014. Don’t ask me what the rank of awate.com is, I will not respond because boasting is not encouraged by the Awate Team 🙂

            Now you can start EWCC short for Eritrean Website Championship Cup, and you better make it real gold. Forget football 🙂

          • Rodab

            H.E. SaleH,
            Ok deal! I won’t ask about the ranking. Lucky me that is the only off-limit question.
            So Which continent do most AF contributors come from? If you want you can go more specific, down to countries.

            I bet most are from N. America. No question. You have some from Europe, and possibly from Australia too. How do I know? When I get up in the morning and check, I find a bunch of fresh comments. haha funny.

            But I would say there are no Awatistas from Africa, No Asia, No Latin America, and most certainly no Antarctica.

            I am doing this silly stuff just for fun:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Rodab, when did I mention contributors? That is your imagination; all our readers (less the supporters of the PFDJ) are our friends.

            To satisfy your curiosity: may be awate.com is the least funded website. There are several, extremely generous friends, one of them a member of this forum and two from Europe who never missed our call and they give generously. We also have a group of loyal dedicated friends who have always been there to lend a hand. Our weakness (our strength) is that we never asked or received NGO or GO funds, never.

            Visitors: you were right, I haven’t seen a visitor from Antarctica, but there are visitors categorized “others”, who knows where they are from!

            We do have a considerable number of visitors from Eritrea, if not for the lack of connectivity, I am sure the numbers would have been bigger than that of Ethiopia. Ranking: USA is first, followed by Canada, UK, Sweden….and surprisingly, we have at least a visitor from almost every country in the world. What they are looking for, and why they looking for it on awate.com, it beats me.

            What am I doing? Rodab, I said we are considering a report in September! Go watch some football 🙂

          • Rodab

            SaleH,
            Oh, no! I could’ve made it a bit clearer but by AF contributors, I was referring to forum contributors – comment-wise. Not funding.
            Also on location I was talking about commenters, not visitors. It was about us Awatistas.

            It doesn’t surprise me if most Awatistas are from the one and only USA, followed by Canada. Sem is smiling.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            France too. Rodab, do not forget and UK which I know some people also.

          • T. Kifle

            Hi Rodab,
            By contributors you mean those article writers or participants in the forum? If you mean the latter, obviously there would be few from Africa(myself included) and I know some silent visitors to Awate.com from Ethiopia.

          • Papillon

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            You actually gave it away when you said, “boating is not encouraged by the Awate Team.” I wouldn’t be surprised if the tyrant visits Awate on a daily bases but definitely Monkey and Charlie do.

  • Thomas

    The sad thing is that the majority of our people living in our country are made to think that America is to blame for all crises within the nation. The reason the day in and day out mentioning of it by IA and Eri-TV. I don’t think Awate is an opposition website anymore. Our people want a serious opposition. An opposition who is even ready to work with the devil himself. The tragic situations within the nation is calling for a desperate solution for the worst humanitarian disaster.

  • Fnote Selam

    Hi Everyone, I have come to this forum quite often times to get an insight to many issues about Eritrea. U

    • saay7

      Selamat Fnote:

      Here’s how I see it, but be prepared for the follow-up from Eyob and T.Kifle who may have a different take.

      1. The much-publicized “war drum b/n Eritrea and Ethiopia” was invented by Aiga Forum. Aiga has a meskerem.net like tendency to create juicy sensational headlines without a byline and with at least one exclamation point: (“He said the strategy has changed meaning the no war no peace strategy has expired!) And, since aigaforum is considered (rightly or wrongly) the mouthpiece of EPRDF, then the war-drum was even louder.

      2. What really happened was this. A community AM radio station in Atlanta, Tsnat Radio, asked the PM a loaded (very loaded) question in terms of what his government is doing regarding the “terrorist” members of Gnbot 7 who reside in the United States.

      3. The PM said that his government has no extradition agreement with the US or the West but it has extradition treaties with Middle Eastern and African countries. Since that sounds too much like “there is not much we can do”, he decided to give the excited interviewer something and here’s my translation of what he said next:

      “…from now on, if the Shaebia government sends such kind of errand boys (telalaki/qTrengnoch), we are working on a strategy we developed that it is better to go to the source and remove shaebia itself.”

      If Ethiopia was going to announce a new strategy, would it tell it to an Atlanta-based AM radio station that airs noon to 1 pm on Saturdays? Me thinks not. Only a few days later, the PM had a press conference on regional issues and guess how much follow-up there was to the “breaking news” that aigaforum beat the drums on? Zero: the discussion was all about south sudan.

      saay

      • Fnote Selam

        Thank you Saay for the much needed context. Couple of things that you didn’t address: 1) alleged movement and military exercise by Eth army near Eri borders and 2) recent meeting of armed Eri’s opposition groups in Mekele with high level Eth military personnel. Some ppl believe that these two events are indications that the ‘war talk’ may be real this time. I would like to hear your intake. Thanks again. FS

        • saay7

          Selamat Fnote Selam:

          First of all, when awate organizes a virtual retreat and has an election on who has the best nick, I am voting for you:)

          On your point # 2: of the list of reliable sources, I put Indian Ocean Newsletter right next to Africa Confidential:) I think that was the source for the Mekele meeting? I am not saying it didn’t happen; I am saying if it happen, it was not unusual in that there are meetings all the time.

          Hadn’t heard about “movement/military exercise by Eth army near Eri borders” and, if it happened, is it “routine” or newsworthy. No knowledge on that.

          saay

          • Hope

            Ohh,come on Cousin,
            Either you are trying to be very “diplomatic and impartial “and/or trying to avoid the topic due to its “Sensitivity”,which you should NOT, as it is more importanat to us,Eritreans,than the “out-dated and nonsensical debate” about the past.
            FYI,
            It is/was the same “The Indian Ocean Letter” that broke the News about the Ethiopian Gov “Beefing Up” its Defense Forces to its Northern Border with Eritrea,which was later confirmed by Aiga and the Ethiopian Review,likely based on the Indian OceanLletter,besides an “Addendum” made by Aiga saying that there was a “Spectacular Military Drill” on the same spot..
            I tried to post the link but failed.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Saay,

            Thanks for noting my choice of nick name. I have to say, though, at times I find it very hard to live up the name I chose (I am mainly on twitter) especially when dealing with ypfdjites. Also, I appreciate your insight to the questions I had, very useful.

            FS

  • Nitricc

    Thank you for the Real, Balance, Fair and to the point analysis. This kind of reporting not only will strength and solidify AT’s credibility but it will attract fair minded people who are suspicious of the toothless opposition. Sometimes; I wonder; when read Ermias’s take coming down at AT for differentiating the feeling between Africans and Eritreans towards the USA.
    Ermias; line up one person from each African country and an Eritrean will come out the most distrustful and suspicious of the USA than any other person from Africa for a good reason. Here you have it.
    Aman you said
    “Usually, the team doesn’t argue based on “in general”, they don’t like lumping. But the “pencil” the editorial, this time as you quoted in your comment, they are making general statement indirectly on behave of the regime and his supporters. Not my cup of coffee to say the least in terms of positioning their selves…”
    Aman what does it matter if the truth is displayed? What is wrong if a truth is stated by the GoE supporters; does it come untruth because it was stated by PFDJ supporter?
    Aman, this kind of mentality has killed and destroyed your so-called opposition. Opposition; it does not to mean you have to oppose the truth. If the truth is stated by your worst enemy there is nothing you can do but accept because if you don’t you lose your credibility.
    Awate-team congratulations for not sticking to your old ways we are opposition i.e. we only report what is bad in the government mentality.
    Thank you!

    • Ermias

      Nitricc, most of what you said is true but I am not sure if it is the right approach. But good analysis anyway.

      • Thomas

        Ermi – every time Nitricc gets a chance, he drugs/crawls himself to widen the division and tries to hit hard on the oppositions by his usual/his own vocabularies such as: toothless/so called opposition groups. That way he tries to take revenge by stating:
        We support the killer regime because you, the oppositions, are worthless. If I was the owner of this website, I would have encouraged opposition views/debates. However, I would have never allowed those who are opportunists who have no material to debate, but every chance they get who try to belittle one group by creating division. We are in this situation we have people like Nitricc among us. I suggest people to pay attention to this.

  • The secular socialist republic

    Simply BRILLIANT !
    Congrats to AT !
    I hope pro-US and pro-Obama Eritreans start to understand what international relations are (interests) and are not (ideals)

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Rodab,

    Just a quick note…
    I dont think that the reason why only few women participate in Awate forum is because they are scared, or are not in the position to confront the challenges. AT has many women readers, and many eritrean women are part of the resistance movement ( it would worry me if only those you mentioned were part of it, No, since the Ghedli Era women have been the backbone of resistance, and gradually more are revitalizing their involvment) in different ways, and are very busy. No need to say that the quantity is much less than expected.
    I am curious to know what the wives/ friends of Awatistas say to this issue.

    Sorry AT, I dont intend to hijack the topic, which reflects a sober analysis.

    • sara

      tzegereda, you are right women in general and girls in particular had strong presence during the independence struggle and they also did well during the weyane invasion and they still do.
      as for your curiosity about what the wives of awtistas say on this point is NOTHING, because the male awtistas do not share or discuss the issues here with them , case in point is my elder brother , he never brings the cyber talk to his family. it seems this place is only for singles not families.

      • T. Kifle

        The “weyane invasion” sort of thing makes you unwoman.

      • Ermias

        sara, a lot of Eritrean and actually habesha women say ‘polotika ayfetun eye…kal’e elkum ye’elilu bejakum.’ Is this universal? Could that be one reason we the male awatistas do not share our cyber talk with them?

        One other reason is also that politics generally causes arguments and shouting and flared up emotions. So maybe some people do not want to add more stress in their already stressful lives.

        What’s your take? I hope other women could comment too.

        • sara

          erimias,
          simply put, women do not like the type of arguments our brothers/husbands bring to our political discussions because it ends with bad words,shouts and and some times fist fight which brings additional harm to the already constrained way of life. i have attended several women only discussions and i find it more civil and mature.

    • Rodab

      Alora Tzigereda,
      So if AT has many lady readers why do you think they don’t prefer to comment? They got the time to read, right? So why not interact? Perhaps it has something to do with our conservative culture/tradition/values? You tell us.

  • Haile WM

    Although I really abhor Iseyas and his PFDJ mafia, this time I might even agree with them about the said meeting..
    In Washington African leaders are summoned by his imperial majesty Barak the africaner 🙂
    it’s like the good old master calling his children like subjects for a gentle “you are my favorites ones” speech and the bad ones like Iseyas are left out in the cold pretending at their highest ability of not being interested while keeping a “mountain eye” to the party, all they can do is talk dirty of the master blaming their exclusion on him 🙂 how paradoxical..
    But we Africans regardless, pro or per regimes, have a common behavioral pattern, we tend to give much credit to external factors and consequently we seek always external solution than domestic ones, like this farce in White House we tend to give much attention when we already know nothing will come out of that except the bad guys like wedi Berad feeling neglected.

    PS i could not find the exact translation of “mountain eye”…

  • Thomas

    Dear Saay – I know what happened last summer:) Are we not allowed to criticize AT? Where did my comment go? lol I thought mine was constructive criticism. I respect if you reject or accept it as it fits to your purpose, but damping as it flies to make it here is something.

    • saay7

      Selamat Thomas:

      Are you saying “I know what you did last summer”? Never understood why that movie is scary. Now Jason voorhees and Michael Myers and Freddy Krueger (specially in 3D), those are scary:)

      Now all together now: We Do Not Delete Posts As Long As They Abide By Posting Guidelines…

      saay

      • Thomas

        That is the scary movie. I thought my comment might have scared fearless people. Yes, the thing you runover last summer/removing my comment::))

    • Rodab

      Hello Thomas,
      What I remember last summer is squabbling with Nitricc drove you to call it quits!
      I’ve been reading some of your comments lately and you are quite an articulate. Don’t ever think of quitting again. If Hayat and Ermias could handle the heat, why not you:-)

      • Thomas

        Dear Rodab – Thank you for your kind words. I will try to make it this time around:)

      • Nitricc

        Rodab, correction; The white man gave AT an ultimatum; if AT will not delete my post he will never participate on this forum. Imagine; he was demanding my post to be deleted and now he is crying because AT deleted his post. As dumb as he is, he demands things that are out of his reach. Talk about dumb. We all know how the diques play around this forum yet, he accuses AT for his worthless disappeared post. Rodab, since when did you start telling untruth? Articulate? Yah, I agree; Articulately dumb. Never tell me, you are for free speech and democracy bull crap when you are demanding other people’s post to be deleted; never!

    • Saleh Johar

      Thomas, it seems you lost a comment. Please do not hold AT responsible. Comments are not deleted, but the content. Unless there is a flagrant violation. You have a white hat so your comments are never deleted. But please stop insinuating the AT has deleted your comment. Take it up with Disqus (this was said a million times over 🙂 Disqus is sometimes erratic, in the middle of typing a comment, maybe if one touched a wrong key, all is gone and it doesn’t tell you that. It happens tome often. Please re-post your comment, I am now eager to read your criticism.

      • Thomas

        Dear SJG,

        Thank you for trying to help!! It is not a big deal so let bygones be bygones. However, I sense Ali Salim’s syndrome @ AT. People close to me used to tell me to never trust “the oppositions”; and if I do they will use me as a toy:) Here I am to witness a fearless opposition website making a “u-turn” (Ali Salim’s word). IA has been talking about CIA and America for the last 16 years. IA believes to much in the “Hasot Ente Degemkaya Si Haki Eya Time’sil”. I am sure now he will now add a new holiday calling it “the defeat and the u-turn of the used to be fearless to fearful” website:). With all the bluff about the self reliance and so on is just amazing. Let’s just say the Libyans got a NATO help, the Egyptian got some help and many other countries except the Tunisians. The EPLF fought together with TPLF. PFDJ is now working with Demhit, Gunbet 7 and other Ethiopian oppositions. IA is smart only in one thing: he knows how to make alliance with other rebels when fighting the enemy.

        Thomas.

  • Ermias

    Peace Club Memorandum: to Fanti Ghana, Mahmud Saleh, Rahwa T, and Kokob Selam.

    This website, as vibrant as it is, is no exception to any other political and contemporary international affairs based websites. What makes it so pedestrian is it’s lack of attraction and/or appeal for women. Lately, the very few women who used to frequent this website have been dropping like flies. Yodita, Saba, Hayat Adem to name a few. Women provide a more balanced and more compassionate solutions to many problems. Their input is invaluable to our problems and the solutions we need.

    As part of our peace club manifesto, we need to have some strategies to retain every woman that shows up here. ወላ ብጌጋ ኣብዚኣ ዝዓለበት፤ ከምታ ናይ ሻዕብያ ኩላ ማይ ጥብ ዝበለት ከነዕቁራ ኢና እሎም ዝፍክሩ፤ ንሕና ድማ፤ ጥር ዝበለት ሰበይቲ ቀርቀብ ኣቢላና ክንሕዛ ኣሎና፥

    Here is what I am proposing (short list, please add more):

    1. We give a very warm welcome to any woman that shows up here. Fanti (you seem like a ladies’ man), please draft a template that we can copy and save on our computers and say those words to every woman that comes here for the first time or as much as needed.

    2. Disrupt uncomfortable or misogynist debates.

    3. Encourage debates or articles that specifically target female issues.

    4. Anyone who causes any woman to quit awate gets a long suspension (pending AT’s approval).

    5. Women are peaceful and they like solutions. So we need to do better collectively discussing solution based debates instead of pointing out our problems over and over again.

    • saay7

      Ermias:

      Here’s an IM I received from an Eritrean woman when asked why there aren’t enough women at Eritrean forums:

      “Eritrean men are characteristically offensive, belligerent and close minded….Eri women are fierce, generous, beautiful, supreme IQ and EQ, selfless and loving…and very tolerant of the luckiest men [Eritreans] alive.”

      Good luck!

      saay

      • Eyob Medhane

        Sal,

        Have you ever read Baalu Girma’s Oromay? In that book, one of the main characters, Fiameta describes Eritrean men the same way your IM describes them….hummmmm…I guess the assessment is true, huh?! 🙂

        • saay7

          Eyob:

          Now, you are going to add me to the “closet Ethiopian” list for sure. Here’s one of my favorite lines from the book that contradicts your defamation of Fiameta:

          “አንቺ የመሐል አገር ሰው አማራ ነው አሉ የምትወጂ?”
          “ፍቅር መሐል ዳር ሰሜን ደቡብ አይልም” አለች

          But seriously, this was one great book. Not just politically (which humanizes Eritreans: which is why Mahmud and Fanti should add it to their Peace Club’s Book Club) but because:

          1. The prose is excellent: Hemingway would be jealous
          2. The dialogue is believable (insertion of Italian/Tigrinya words)
          3. The authors uses clever techniques (some of the chapter titles are in Tigrinya)

          A few years ago, I heard that Ethiotube or one of those tubes had the author* narrating Oromay but I could never get the damn audio to work. I am positive you are going to give me a link that actually works.

          I should quit while I am ahead but…then it wouldn’t be a Sal-Eyob exchange. Show Baalu Girma’s picture to 10 strangers and ask them what is his nationality: 9 out of 10 people will say Egyptian:) Belew!

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            One of the few regrets I had was that Baalu was way before my time at the former Ministry of Information. I wish I had a privilege to work under him, even for a day….

            Here is the exellent narration by the famous Fikadu Teklemariam…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LxWReIKEro&index=4&list=PL3WuaVYv1KQmWWtPyO-2cG_XybgFoBcE5

            P.S…It’s a long time ago I have decided you are a closet Ethiopian… 🙂

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Eyoba,

            The topic of Bealu Girma reminds me of a video I recently watched. I don’t know if you
            have watched the infamous “shaebia” spy who calls himself an ‘Oromo’ (ውስጡን ለቔስ) to win the hearts of the OLFites. This guy mentioned two big figures in the Ethiopian literature (Bealu and Tsegaye Gebremedhin both are said to have some Oromo blood in them) and he put himself at the same level to these great personalities and asked the audience to count him as the third “Oromo” who contributed a lot for the Amharic literature and the expense of “his” language. ንግግሩ እንክዋ አርሲ ኩርሲ ነው:: ያንዳንዱ ሰው ፈጣጣነት ግን ለጉድ ነው:: I never finished watching the video.

            He is the link to watch the first few minutes of his speech.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W4oze7r__o

          • Eyob Medhane

            Rahawa,

            Tesfaye Gebre-ebab is a little person, a real nobody. Even to be a spy, some one needs to be disciplined and at least good of a good actor to be ‘under cover’ or be good to pretend to be someone that they are not. This little bug is none of that. He seems to me one of those Amiches, who feel so entitled to be provided Everything that Ethiopia could offer and keep stomping their feet, as little spoiled child as they are, if someone did not offer them what they want with a silver platter. He goes a little further to play ‘smart’, which he is not and take a revenge for not given ‘what is his’ and writes crap, which in his little gutter mind creates division between Ethiopians. He has been at it for about ten years for no avail. He now trolls little conferences, where Jawar ‘We would kill Christians with Machetes’ Mohammed conducts. Which basically is a collection of good number of ISIS radicals. No one can get that low, Rahawa, but Tesfaye Gebre-ebab

          • desta

            Hi Eyob,
            Have you watched Prof. Asmerom’s speech? I appreciate his work on Gada and he is an authority on that. Accidentaly, I also watched his interview with Eri tv in English where he said that he studied Gada while a student in Harvard because he was not allowed to study Eritrean customary laws by the then Ethiopian regime. He told the journalist asking him how he was interested in studying Eritrean customary laws and how he was forced to study Gada because he has to choos another society and studying the Gada was allowed at the time.
            He was asked on OSA conference by Oromos why he was interested on Gada. His answer is completely a different one (and I suspect he deliberately lied to get more love). his answer is in the following link starting from minute 22
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKXCv3F22ZI

          • Rahwa T

            Desta, this is what they call it professional crime. Look how these work. They are smart (in their own way).

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay, I read Oromay a long time ago and last year I wanted to read it but couldn’t locate it. I ordered the book and I received after three months; by then I had forgotten about it. Recently I finished reading it again, and I am almost sure it is the main reference for YG when he writes about Ghedli. If he writes a book, I don’t think the content would be any different from Oromay. But from an Ethiopian perspective, Baalu Girma really made a good (I might add patriotic) presentation of his country’s armed forces, and cause.

            I agree with you the book is enjoyable to read, it has excellent plots. But I didn’t like him pretending to know Eritrean language or culture though he pretended he does. Just like the YG group, he is focused on the Highlands, (many are inflicted with that political disease). The striking point is the similarities of his views and that of the Defamers. Being an Ethiopian, it is natural for Baalu Girma to reflect an Ethiopian perspective. Nothing wrong with that.

            I highly recommend the book for those who can read Amharic.

          • Papillon

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            Of interest, do you know that his biological father is an Indian who run a carpentry mill in the town where he met BaAlu’s mother. Later on, he took his uncle’s name (Girma) for last name.

          • Saleh Johar

            Papillion, I have read about it somewhere… I think his bio is on the first pages of the book and on a website run by his family: http://baalugirmafoundation.org/

          • Rodab

            H.E, SaleH,
            What Tigrigna books do you recommend?

          • Saleh Johar

            My first Tigrinya novel was Embafrash by the late Memhir Mussa Aron, a man who had a great influence on my love of writing. Remember I read the book when I was just a child, I am not sure how it woiuld feel now–it has been a long time. I also recommend Aynefelale by Alemseged Tesfai…You can also read Amanuel Sahle, he has a couple of books. Best bet, ask recommendations from hantialem.com, there you will find a few language buffs I know. By the way, there is a new book coming soon, very soon. Its title is “The Hidden Party” (Etta Hb’eti Selfi) authored by a veteran of the EPLF, Colonel Tsegu Fissehaie Bahta. You will get the inside story and enjoy an impeccable Tigrinya reading. Good deal

          • Rodab

            I don’t know if you’ve heard about it but my first Tigrigna book was ‘Robinson Cruso’ – translated from English. Fantastic book. Binyam eti htsan, Menyu bedelegna, and Wefri sgredob are some of my favorites. Read few Amharics too, Sememen and Guzow. Good books.
            Anyway, thanks for the recommendations. I will see if Amazon have them.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Abusalah,
            Couldn’t you add “and my next book is going to be in Tigrgna. “

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Rodab and Saleh:
            I read Embafrash when I was older and it is not my favorite. Typical rugs to riches of an abandoned out of wedlock child The author literally pleads and begs the read to bear with him.
            I recommend and personally like “Keyah Moseb” by M Adonai and his several short stories as well
            For heavy Tigrinya Aba Issac is good and one of his books after independence is called “ab afefet natsanet”. He also has translated several books like “marikosai weini ms hinbashai”.

          • saay7

            Semere A:

            The best book written in Tigrinya was, of course, “kiya 18 dekayek.”

            This moment of Ghedli romanticism brought to you by…

            saay

            But seriously, Eri literature hasn’t even gotten to the “banned book” stage. The Ethios banned “alweledm” during Janhoy and “Oromay” during Mengistu. I think that requires a 10-part series as to what’s wrong with us:)

          • Petros
      • Rodab

        Hi Sal,
        That statement from our sister is correct in some ways.
        The other day you were telling Thomas (on his interaction with Dr Sara) that we call on females to participate but we don’t treat them right…sorry if i misrepresent your statement but I think it was something like that. My view is slightly different. If our ladies can’t handle the comparatively tiny hurdles here, there is no way they can survive what awaits them in the real world, should they opt to participate in political discourse, or in any civic activities. I truly admire the tolerance of the big guns like Elsa, Meron, Dr Alganesh, Selam and many others…but man, don’t the get trashed! Politics is not sport where you can support opposing teams (views) and yet stay healthy with each other.
        And here at the forum, for example, you guys provided equal opportunities for everyone, and you kept the forum clean (a lot cleaner than other sites). You’ve done your part. The remaining is for participant to decide what to do. enho meda enho feres.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ermias,
      Very nice of you, thank you for that; you have already invited them on behalf of us, I hope to see them. We’ll make sure they are respected. This’s not to say that they need us to protect them, but to say that the gentlemen need to live up to that title/name. I agree with SAAY’s quote of the woman.

  • saay7

    Selamat Elanta:

    Excellent points, all of them.

    One minor correction: Egypt attended because, following its free-and-fair* election of Sisi, Egypt became a member of good-standing with AU and US. It was represented by its ministers, not President Sisi, who probably would have had some explaining to do for why he committed to spending $2 billion USD in weapons purchase from Russia when US aid to Egypt averages exactly $ 2 billion USD per year.

    saay

    * it was so free and fair the Sisi regime had to beg people to come out and vote.

    • haileTG

      Dear Saay and Elenta (saay, እዛ ሓተታ ጠብሎቕሎቕ በዚሕዋ እየ ዝበልኩ’ኮ እትወስኽሉ’ባ ሓደራኹም 🙂

      Let me do bullet points, they are the first choice of “hello is there anybody” type discussion:

      – Eritrea was shunned from an important global and continental initiative in US-Africa. HGDEF made it an issue of IA. Its dogs wrote if iA should bother at all and blah blah. As an opposition media the AT made an editorial that also makes IA, its self aggrandizement of thinking to be important in a world that doesn’t equate him with a fly and English translation of the text of his demented halowlew that is only fit for a garbage can or pro-hgdef reader the center of your editorial. You felt it wouldn’t be beneficial to discuss the other side, i.e the Eritrea side. What all this mean to Eritrea and Eritreans, instead it amounted to Hodgepodge in international politics. An opportunity was presented to vindicate and strengthen the call for justice and end the isolation of our people and their silent perishing in their hundreds. That was missed and instead not only an isolationist rhetoric was reflected but made an open plea for Eritreans to be inward minded. Incidentally, the PFDJ editorial also made exactly the same call, i.e for Eritreans to be more inwardly looking.

      – I am not saying that AT has done anything out of the usual (even the AT editorial on the UN human rights decision last month was equally received euphorically by regime sympathizers), my point is to say, in good faith, that pro regime are desperate for anything that would remotely justify their current acts of treachery that will stay inked in blood for generations to come. Giving them a lee way isn’t a good strategy at this time, a year or two ago may be, but now, totally wrong. We can’t put up with the death of over 400 Eritreans in just a month, much less dance and ululate on its midst any longer. The silent majority would have learned more from Eritrea centered discussion and a bold presentation that what amounted to ኣብ ዘይመንጠቢትክን….type discourse. Many Eritreans are isolated and disillusioned and how do you rate the above article in terms of adding or taking away to that sense. In my view, the tone, context and substance promoted suspicion of outsiders, misdirecting focus on an irrelevant and disjointed matters of world politics and denial of our desperate conditions. We have no country to speak of, no government to speak of and no international standing to speak of. Hence, what was presented amounted to pure fantasy at the expense of our dire situation.

      – We are not bothered about Ethiopia related stuff, US hegemony politics and the likes as Elenta understood it. We are disappointed that the voice of Eritrea was quashed in all this to achieve God knows what objectives. We can’t decide what the AT would wish to take as a position, but we feel this position above has no Eritrea as a context, was used to preach isolation rather than cooperation, and makes ill judged belittling of the role of outsiders in weakening the regime and making the chances of reprieve for our embattled people a real possibility. With editorials like the above, such would never have happened before the whole of our population has relocated out of Eritrea.

      Regards

      • saay7

        Haile The Great:

        We are approaching dawn and as the old ELF song had it:

        ኣጋ ወጋሕታ
        ድቕድቕ ኢዩ ጸልማት:
        መሪር እዩ ቃልሲ
        ጥቓ ምዕዋት:
        ድፍረት ተዓጠቕ
        ዘክር ስዉኣት::

        Walk with me but first, of course, anything and everything that has to do with Eritrea is መንጠቢትና::

        Now, regardless of the field one focuses on–computer engineering, weight loss, project management–the effort and resource allocation is not linear. People trying to lose weight say that “the last 5 pounds” are the hardest. In computer science and project management, they have come up with a long list of rules and dictum: The Pareto Principle, Antipattern, the 99 rule, etc. All of it to say that different stages require different strategies. That doing the same thing only louder and with more people has diminishing return.

        Still with me? Now let’s assume that for the movement against the Isaias Afwerki regime to reach critical mass, we only need to separate permanently 10% of the current population from him. The question is how? I think one way is to challenge the regime on its own propaganda. It requires challenging its self congratulation on MDG, corruption index, frugality, GDP, you name it. It requires emphasizing information it tries to hide.

        Now, beyond that, there is the issue of preparation for the post-Isaias Eritrea. The fact is that, in my opinion, we have yet to develop a truly independent opposition organization. And I don’t mean just organizations that are too dependent on Ethiopia; but also civil society AND opposition organizations that are entirely and completely dependent on Western governments and Western NGOs. Yes, that means self-reliance. Just because Isaias gave self-reliance a bad name does not diminish its strength. To repeat words from the editorial, this is not a call for isolation but a call for demanding partnership with whoever it is who shares a common interest with us.

        saay

        * I have noticed you used “we” in your posts. Is that the royal “we” or has Haile The Great become even greater? 🙂

        • haileTG

          haha…saay “we” are me and all those who signed my petition by upvoting my initial comment. Self reliance is good, and partnership is two way process. I think you’d agree with me that 100% of world populations aspire for self reliance, it just gets creepy when it is used as መሀውተቲ 🙂 Again, wouldn’t you fear that it would amount to selling coal in Newcastle to try to impressed a HGDEFITE who is trying to run away from an excess dose of that? Self reliance is development driven and partnership assumes you are ready to give and take. I would think such things would naturally begin to take hold with the removal of the dangerous regime. The reason the regime is desperately cornered and Eritreans are not slaughtering each other as it intended it when arming the population is because we are not Syria, Libya and Iraq. We have an abiding population even in the face of the current tragedies. Let us trust that we have the will needed to transition peacefully. If we survived the በዓለገ regime to this point, it can only get better.

          PS: Can you shade some light on possible candidates for “whoever shares common interest with us”?

          cheers

          • saay7

            Haile the Greater:)

            The following is a partial list of those who “share common interest with us”:

            1. All human rights organizations;
            2. Many one-issue advocacy groups (journalists, women, religion, children, parliamentarians, youth, students,etc)
            3. All who see Isaias as a mortal threat (Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti)
            4. All who see the rulers of Ethiopia, Somalia and Djibouti as mortal threats to them. (Got you)
            5. All countries interested in peace and stability in our region

            Now, on every single issue, it is outsiders that are driving the agenda and the Eritrean has either a supporting role or a cameo appearance.

            If you can stomach my video at my New York appearance last October, please scan the table: the issue on the agenda was Human Rights Violations of Eritreans.

            Come on Haile.

            saay

  • Ermias

    NoDrama! Your last sentence is spot on. What good is it for DIA or any Eritrean for that matter to point out how hypocritical the West is and in particular the US? If there is anybody in this world who doesn’t know the US foreign policy is completely screwed up and unfair, then that person is in complete denial. That is not the question. The question is how do you play around it? If you live in the US (as an Eritrean or non-white immigrant), for example, you will know full well that you will need to play the Americans and beat them at their own game if you are going to advance your career. You will be skipped for opportunities while deserving but you don’t go into war with them. You sometimes pretend like you don’t know what is going on and when an opportunity presents to you that they have no choice but to give to you, then you seize it. You play them at their own game. That is what we need to do with their foreign policy too – easier said than done but at the very least the whole world knows the double standards and it seems like the very weakest ones are the only ones who make too much noise about it.

  • saay7

    Selamat NoDrama:

    Jeffrey Gettleman is an excellent reporter who writes for the New York Times. He was kicked out of Eritrea (CIA Agent!) and Ethiopia (Terrorist!). Last year, Gettleman wrote an amazing expose of Kagame. Please read it, if you haven’t:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/magazine/paul-kagame-rwanda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    saay

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear esteemed Awatistas;

    HTG said it all: ” …’man! how short does my response has to get to avoid controversy!’ poor haw mahmud) :-)”

    HTG, Ermias’ and Thomas careful approach is well appreciated.
    Amanuel Hidrat, challenged by Thomas and Ermias to produce his own analysis of the AT analysis, has yet to give us something we can call worth analysis; but we will see it’s early in the day here.
    Bad news, Peace also used the awful word “balance”
    Just to expand that unfortunate sentence (kidding, really kidding), AT simply rose to its expectation. A great news/media agency leads. It tries to influence and/or correct its readers understanding of a given debate or situation, some times at the peril of being controversial; it doesn’t follow, it leads. Awate came up with a factually accurate information. No controversy here. It did not stop there though, it went further on giving its readers a sober and candid analysis of that information/facts. Now, here, it’s up to the reader’s perception/ judgement. What might seem to me balanced might not be balanced to another person, and that’s fine folks; (Do you hear me Aman H tsaeda, all you need to do is just jot down as HTG, Thomas, Ermias and others did, why you think this time AT team’s product is defect). What all this shows is that the great awatista society is as diverse and vibrant as any awesome open-minded group of people you could find anywhere. Yes, we are not “yes” folks, spoon fed, absorbing anything thrown to us like a sponge; we challenge each other including the great AT. Now, I expect this long drawn ranting will even be more controversial. እታ controversy ኣብ ግንባረይ እያ ዘላ መስለኒ! In order not to spoil your discussion, I will withhold why precisely I used that word. But the hint is all over this comment.
    senay meAlti.

    • Semere Andom

      Selam Mahmuday:
      Since I am perceived the cynical, the spoiled brat here let me live up to that label and say few words about the balancing act. Balancing is good, if not for the balancing of nature we will not be walking steadily on the this earth. Also there is work and life balance :-), so am not against balance,

      Like the “Rectification of Names” article by AT this one wanted also desperately wanted to balance the unbalanceable and it sounded almost like the majority of Eritreas who do not fail to blame the USA. Mahmuday liked it so much that he picked it because the blame was equally shared, “mizan alewo”. As Emma said there is no need for balance in the truth, but you need multiple sources/evidences to prove the truth. Sal is fond of saying “let us spread the blame” when YG blamed the entire ghedli for the bunders of PFDJ for the current ills of Eritrea.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Sem A;
        We’re waiting for that report, make sure it’s balanced!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          He doesn’t need to balance it. He should tell us as it happened in front his eyes and the sources he used for his report. Mahmud, do not try to balance any thought in your mind, let the new idea that merged into you mind negate the old ideas that took roots for years.

          Amanuel

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Aman H
            I have to mind my business, keep diagnosing me.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmud
            yehow, yehow Mahmuday keTeba
            atHaluhuw
            Mahmuday kemakema
            wo saruKuha shameta
            Huhu wad Andom egil lQtel
            Mahmuday keTeba
            athaliyahu
            haha

        • Semere Andom

          Mahmuday seni seni, embi zeywetsani:-)
          but tell Sal I cannot find ykalo so can I interview you 🙂

      • saay7

        Wed Andom:

        “Sal is fond of saying “let us spread the blame” when YG blamed the entire ghedli for the bunders of PFDJ for the current ills of Eritrea.”

        Who is this Sal and do I know him? 🙂

        saay would like blame to be apportioned to (and only to) those who should be blamed. Isaias and Co are responsible for what ails Eritrea. But if one wants to be really expansive and go beyond Isaias and Co (the famous “root cause” issue), then don’t stop at Ghedli, don’t stop at Italian colonialism, keep going backwards on infinite regress until Adam and Eve and Big Bang:)

        saay

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Sal:
          I will introduce you to him, he is great I like him too much, problem is he knows it :-).
          I am in agreement with you about your let spread the blame fallacy of YG, but I was sloppy and the root cause is sleep deprivation 🙂

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mahmuday,

      If you read my answer to Ermias, that will be more than enough to understand my position. If you still don’t understand from that, and if you understood Thomas and Ermias’s position which is not far from my position, it is enough to categorize me within that prescribed world view if not in detail.

      Mahmuday, there is no a single human being who couldn’t be judgmental. If you don’t make judgement within the knowledge you have about a particular subject, what good human being you could be? If you don’t have knowledge about any particular subject, you just let yourself to listen and possibly read about the subject on issue (that is my rule). Second I don’t need to make balance between the good and the evil (be it intentional or otherwise) the truth seeker and false seeker, between tyrannt and democrat, between social just and marginalization..etc. In our Eritrea the conflict is between the mentioned opposite virtues. So in such scenario you stand with one side and fight for the truth. What do you want me to make to balance between the opposite virtues. MY answer is no..no…no. I hope in my upcoming article to touch those contradictory values indirectly, in such away how the ambivalent Eritrean mind could be understood in the face of our current crises.

      Hawka,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Aman H: Here is how the editorial described the situation you and I care about: “Rather than swallowing his pride and prioritizing Eritrea’s national interest over his own ego, the Eritrean tyrant has gone on increasingly destructive adventures designed to frustrate US interests in the Horn of Africa and particularly Djibouti and Somalia. And a decade later, the tyrant has not become what he had hoped he would be: an African rebel standing up to a superpower. Far from it: he has isolated Eritrea, he has impoverished her and, more ominously, he is emptying out the country of its most productive citizens: its youth. His foolhardy policies have resulted in sanctions that have left Eritrea completely defenseless—no Eritrean youth to defend her; no weapons to defend her with and, most dangerously, no cause to fight for as his warlords have sapped Eritreans of their natural sense of patriotism.

        So, never mind the calf. Mind the cow rustler.”

        I greed with this depiction through my agreement with the editorial. What makes this appear as if it’s ambivalent about the plight of our nation, or as if it’s tilting in favor of the regime? How strongly could you really condemn the regime more than this? This is an editorial; it’s an opinion of Awate.com, and as such, you couldn’t expect it to be precisely tailored to your expectation. We all care for our nation and our people; stop pretending as if you are more aware of the situation or as if your heart is more sensitive to justice than others’ hearts. Ato Amanuel, modesty/humility is essential. What I don’t appreciate is not the fact that we disagree on issues but your blatant violations of my right of expressing my views. I made it clear, I am my own, I say what I feel saying the way I feel it fit, don’t expect me to speak up your mind. AT knows that; I criticized them in the past for presentation I found not at par with their stature (at least twice in my short presence here, regarding Gedab News). I hope you don’t expect my views to fit yours. Even if I could possess a magic mind-reading ability, I would not trample upon your right of saying it yourself the way you want to say it.

        To say ” I don’t think Mahmud is correct….” and then stating your take is something constructive, but to jump in to concluding that I am happy with the editorial because “it speaks the interest of the regime” is just bad my friend. It’s judgmental, it’s unwarranted. One more thing: it’s important we respect each other, I hope you don’t consider me a candidate-disciple of your school of thought. My goodness and look at this: ” don’t need to make balance between the good and the evil (be it intentional or otherwise) the truth seeker and false seeker, between tyrannt and democrat, between social just and marginalization..etc. In our Eritrea the conflict is between the mentioned opposite virtues.”
        What has this to do with the editorial? Did they balance between the good and the evil, the truth seeker and false maker,etc.? Where is it?

        AT gave a panorama, they shed the light at the back ground; there you could see all the dictators, human right violators, corrupt, embezzlers….right behind our dictator. You wanted the light to shine just on our man,you wanted the background darkened so that he could be more visible for what he is. That’s not necessarily wrong, it’s a technique used by writers, politicians cinematographers and other activists to highlight a particular persona or plight. Here, Awate went further in doing a responsible task in giving its readers a wide range of view and a deeper scope without minimizing IA destructive policies. That’s what I call a balanced take; I may add, a bold and mature handling of the topic.
        Brukh meAlti.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Here You goes Haw Mahmud,

          My demand to you is just print your comment and my comment. Put it side by side on your table. If you are sincere enough please check who is attacking to the idea and who is attacking to the person. Just give me of any sort that attack your personality from my comment. I stated your view by quoting, and I oppose it usually on the terminology or words (like balance, separating national issue from politics) you use to pass your ideas. That is within the territory of our political argument. My friend the easiest thing is I don’t want to debate with you is a simple answer. From this time, on my honor, I won’t engage with you. MeAl Selamat my friend, hopefully to see you in the New Eritrea, if there is any in our time.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Aman H,
            That’s not how a man your stature ends a debate. It’s up to you to debate or not, but I will keep engaged while always respecting your views. Is there going to be EilaiEro in new Eritrea. Just let me know, I know what’s in store for me. Now, as usual, you are doing your “retreat” without even answering me the simplest question, ” why did you up vote peace while his comment was almost similar to mine?” The field is leveled my friend, today, I don’t pretend to have absolute truth, and I hope you behave so. If you’re not careful to fire accusations and level labels, you better be ready for counteraction. Take care.

          • Rodab

            Hello Aman,
            I kindly request that you lift the sanctions you have imposed on my mentor Mahmud immediately. If it takes shuttle diplomacy, so be it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Rodab,

            Thank you for your advice. Probably I will limit myself in contributing articles as I go forward.

          • haileTG

            Dear Aman,
            It is OK to disengage on a particular topic, but please not on each other altogether. Our loss would only get bigger that way.

            Much respect

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            The anchor of your argument is always “the people” without any “political tariffs.” You are stoic unaffected despite the continuous recurrent ambivalent arguments in this forum, challenging them always with value ridden conceptual argument.That is the best virtue debaters in this forum should emulate. I hope our youth, like Nitricc, Thomas, Ermias and other will take note your remarkable and distinctive talent, not your debating skills but also the virtue you stand for. I will encourage you to keep on the virtue you stand for and take it as signature of your struggle. Besides, I want your contribution (comment) to transform in to articles and essays as soon as possible to get preeminence in the archives of awate for posterity to be used for references.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel H,

            I do not think this is the way it should be. You might not create a favorable debating environment at this particular topic but you can ahead. You are not debating with Mahmud based on his personality but on his ideas. This should be the fundamental concept which you two better know.

            The change of this forum dynamism is becoming very rapid. We can only cope with. As I can see, there are four or five forces involving themselves fiercely, In which you two are in two different. The good thing is you are very much closer than ever though some minor changes are needed from both of you.

            Dear Amanuel H, as I can see, but sorry, you are becoming very sensitive. On the other hand, Mahmud is trying to expand his outreach and opening his mind to new tools of fighting and absorbing many perspectives that he was miles away from. Kindly, change a bit your methodology, accommodate the youths and play with them, with us. Saay is master of this methodology, SGS, hardliner but yet lifts you to the higher level, haile TG: every time with new astounding skills but for all. T.Kifle – zeragi guala, always wants Tigray to be mentioned. Rodabino, Semere A (despite his YG’s kolo), Thomino and Ermiale, Papi, this are really with youth mind (Thank you buddies). Eyob – with beautiful mind and always I learn something but you are now acquiring some knowledge of PRIDE (You know what Pride is a sign of…?) Our beautiful ladies like Fanti Gandi, Rahwa, Yodita (where is she?) are with souls of the heaven. Kokobino, the stellar keep your Jebena clean and poetic. Sorry for the not mentioned but all are with beautiful mind. I love you all except Nitricc.

            Come and engage till the end

            Hawka and your student
            tes

      • Saleh Johar

        Dear Amanuel,
        First I would like to bring your attention that the byline on the editorial is “Awate Team.” As such, I think you should refer to it as “It” in the singular, your referring to the AT as they is confusing.

        Second, as its name suggests, the editorial is a team output and such, it is not monopolized by any single view; that is how it has always been.

        Thirdly, the team goes through such reactions from readers when it tried to differentiate what is national and constant (the nation) and what is temporal (the PFDJ and it capo). For example, the team members have an almost similar view on NGOs, on unilateral foreign intervention, on the role of Western and regional countries. If any of their views is similar to the PFDJ, it will not change it simply because the PFDJ has a similar view. But its views on the regime are known, they are there on the editorial and Mahmoud elaborated of that by cutting and pasting a chunk of it.

        Fourth, the AT is not beholden to any partisan intereset and it has been doing this for too long to know that whatever it writes is not going to appeal to everyone. What we wish for is a serious debate, critiquing the content of The Pencil and bringing an alternative view. That is what you seem to promote in all your comments. “let’s have a debate.” I don’tlike it and I do not agree with it partially or in totality is hardly a debate. No one is interested in knowing whether we individually like something or not, at least the readers here are (I assume) interested in is an alternative view and a sober discourse. Unfair and unwise comments and insinuations, against the AT, simply because one doesn’t agree with a point or two, is hardly promoting or an invitation for a debate.

  • Peace!

    You just made my day AWATE, as always a brilliant and balanced summary.

  • Ermias

    I hate to sound discounting all the great effort AT is making in helping Eritreans realize the real situation in Eritrea be it via articles or discussions. This article is one of hundreds and so it would be unfair to pass the ultimate judgment based only on it but I was completely confused from the very first line until the end. The initial statements sums it all up:

    “Africans in general, and Eritreans specifically, remain skeptical about the benefits of high profile summits, meetings, conventions, and discussions at the margins because, throughout their history, they have rarely seen tangible benefits from these “baptismal parties” that come and go. ”

    Is it all Africans or Eritreans only? Because it says, Eritreans specifically negating what was said earlier as “Africans in general.” If it is all Africans, well that seems contradictory to the facts on the ground because if there was that much skepticism, why did not any single invited leader decline to be present at the summit? This was not the most important statement in the article but I wanted to point out the discrepancies right off the bat instead of commenting on every statement.

    Great effort but the focus should have been not on the hypocrisy of the US on not inviting IA but rather on the failure of IA to live up to the standards of modern day public relations game.

    • Thomas

      Selam Ermi – Great pick, I don’t agree with AT’s generalization of Africans’ attitude on meetings, summits, conventions etc. Especially when the call/meeting is by the invitation of US which happens once a blue moon. I believe Africans’ admire and want to see the US to put pressure on their leaders to follow the path for full democracy.

  • haileTG

    Selamat AT, (here goes a bonfire 🙂

    Typically, AT branded articles (i.e. by Awate Team byline) are my favorite and rarely get to critic them. This one failed in many respects to sit well with my intuition that I found it a great learning moment for all of us to critic it in good faith.

    – The cardinal sin of an exorcist

    If am not mistaken, only the Catholic Church does still carry out church sanctioned exorcism (driving out demons from a possessed individuals). The job is not done, however, by your average Catholic priest. It has to be someone approved by the higher bodies as strong and capable of handling the job of confronting the devil to drive out demons. One of the cardinal rule is to ensure you don’t engage in conversation with the demons. That is even exemplified by the way Jesus ordered demons from a man who didn’t speak (Mathew 8:31). In that story he showed how to firmly and stringently order a demon and completely shut out its countering pleas. The reason is apparently stated to be that if you make the cardinal sin of engaging in conversation with the demons, it is almost 100% certain that they would overpower you and move on to possess you too.

    The article above made that cardinal mistake by exclusively devoting the discussion on areas that the regime is fluent on. It made no mention of a single policy agreements, US change of laws, its potential to contribute to the improvement of economies. Nigeria is corrupt shouldn’t imply Eritrea should be OK to miss out , you made no attempt whatsoever to highlight what does the Power Africa project for 60 million African businesses mean, what the the the new guideline for US import/export laws as it relates to Africa mean and what the over all cost to Eritrea and its people are in lost opportunity.

    Unfortunately, you took literally the reasons given to not invite Eritrea by the press office. There is reason why a press office chooses wordings and excuses, many issues are weighed as minimizing controversy and other considerations. The war on Iraq was waged ostensibly to control the spread of WMD but the media was and real intent was closely hooked to the brutal nature of the dictator and other regional considerations. The press office given the two reasons for not inviting Eritrea, that is professional PR at work i.e. minimal controversy in the wake of summits like this. You not only took this to mean literally what it says in practice but went on to counteract the established fact that the greatest threat to the regime and loudest spokes people for the oppression at home are indeed outsiders at this very time. The regime is fluent in the language of isolation and your position should have been cooperation and solidarity with others, instead your call on the “opposition” is essentially isolationist. You’ve talked the language of the regime way too much. Eritrean psych is too poisoned to fear outsiders and die and be humiliated alone. I believe the gist of the article reinforces that.

    Again, the catastrophic attitude of self aggrandizement is something that needs to be helped to cool off by opposition media. Eritrea as a nation was rendered irrelevant, the US govt press briefing was as part of a wider audience with the media and mentioned Eritrea for few seconds in passing. PFDJ is a regime that writes to UNSC to complain about Ethiopia crossing a border and admitting it and the UNSC promptly trash the letter to the garbage can, this is a regime whose reps are humiliated and kicked out of international meetings in an uncharacteristic manner for such events and diplomats. Eritrea is never reported except for deaths and tragedies. The regime’s approach of “talk to yourself” politics is simply designed to tap on the acute Eritrean deposition (seen less in others) to give in to empty flattery. The US has actually only sent congratulation letter to Eritreans and not to the sitting criminal head of state. IA is a criminal, he is associated with al shabab and we all know what the latter is doing in shopping malls, no self respecting head of state wish to take him for a photo shoot. Where would you actually sit him in that submit? He doesn’t talk to his neighbors.

    The meeting should have been seen as a yet another major political vindication for the opposition, to highlight what we’re missing out by the forced isolation and blockading of the nation and above all as a springboard for a wider internationalist approach to resolving the mass murder of Eritreans at the policies of a heinous dictator. Instead, you went out of your way to speak his language of the “selfish outsiders” and the “bad old world vs good Erritrea”. Well, I feel that has inadvertently plaid ball to people like my friend hope (who is undercover HGDEF) haha 🙂 🙂

    Regards

    • Thomas

      Selam Haile TG,

      I felt like something was missed in the AT’s above article. The fact that IA was in the US in 1999 and supported the Iraqi war in 2001. Meles was first complaining about US siding with Ethiopia back then………… The jailing of 1998 and the openly rebuffing of democracy and the western countries imposition of democracy for ultimatum agenda and with strings attached. US saw the attitude of IA and recognized his stylish for dictatorship, not for a democratic ruling. That was a complete turn-off for the use.

    • Estifanos

      Dear Haile TG,

      You always give us a much needed perspective of our situation. But, you need to
      think about expanding your sphere of influence. Stop hiding behind the comment
      section of the AT forum.

      You seem to have all the qualities (Passion, Substance etc.) of a leader that we desperately
      need.

      Estif,

      • Ermias

        Haile TG is too big to be holding such a small space.

        Estif, wow, what you said has been in the back of my head for so long but I never could comprehend my own thought on Haile TG.

        One other thing I would add is for HTG to cite references as needed when making profound statements (which seems like every statement these days though) to make it easily traceable for the skeptics.

      • haileTG

        Dear brother Estifanos,

        Let me thank you for your kind remarks. I am sure we are slowly coming to the right place where Eritreans will once again trust one another and stand as one family. Right now, tremendous amount of innocent blood is being split, the nation is divided upon itself and its people are engaged in wanton undermining of one another. In my view, less personality and more substance might be well in tune with the right strikes to hammer the enemy. Sadly, our people are deeply confused with the unfolding disaster, some putting personal ambition ahead of saving the nation and others are intoxicated with the history of our bloody past and are inhuman towards their brothers and sisters. This are tough times, and I would say God willing.

        With much respect

    • saay7

      Selamat Haile The Great:

      What you have written is an “OP-ED”, short for Opposite The Editorial Page. In the dinosaur media (newspapers), your piece would have appeared on the opposite page of the newspaper editorial. Here, it is in the comments section where we can debate our editorial and your op-ed. Marvelous! I expect Serray to OP-ED us with even more ferocity:)

      Warning: the following is my personal opinion. The views below may not necessarily reflect that of the Awate Team (which always carries “Awate Team” byline)

      Now, let’s begin with the exorcist analogy. Have we stepped in the discourse of PFDJ and are we playing in their field? Fair criticism. The way we approach things is to see:

      (a) what are some issues that will continue to be problematic whether Isaias and Co are around or not? What arguments that Isaias and Co are making that resonate with the people? How do we know whether they are resonating or not? And how can we tackle them?

      (b) How do the positions we take result in empowering or disempowering the opposition. And related to that, how do they empower or disempower the powers (government and non-government) that are supposed to have a supportive role but have now become the tail that wags the dog? How do we keep the opposition honest and ethical (so we don’t go around taking credit for things we had nothing to do with or be blamed for things we had nothing to do with?)

      Let’s take the first one.

      There are some things you know anecdotally and some things you know from data analysis.

      For example, we know that Isaias’s adventure in Somalia was hugely unpopular with the AU, IGAD, the US and UN. We also know, anecdotally, that many (most?) Eritreans felt an obligation to do SOMETHING to help the Somalis who had become entirely the proxies of Ethiopia, the West, the Jihadists. Would an editorial acknowledging the misery of Somalis and criticizing Ethiopia’s pre-emptive foray be part of the exorcism language? Or would it be “balanced” in the manner Mahmoud Saleh intended it: something that recognizes the obvious? Something that acknowledges the sentiments of the “silent majority”?

      Let’s speak data. Pew Research conducts a massive opinion of world survey towards American policy. Topping the list of things that drive the rest of the world crazy about US policy is Obama’s Drone policy. Although Eritreans were not surveyed by Pew, one can infer from the opinions of Africans (Senegal, Uganda, Nigeria) that there is growing opposition to this. So, question to you: what would be your reaction if you heard of a US policy to drop a drone on Isaias Afwerki in his Massawa retreat? Don’t answer that: better question, how do you think the Eritrean people would react to that?

      What is world opinion of US eavesdropping on the world?

      When Isaias Afwerki states with certainty that the US will not be the sole superpower in 20 years, is he being prophetic? Is he crazy? Or is he expressing a widely-held sentiment across the world, particularly the Third World: that China will replace the US?

      What is the world’s opinion on the US’s frequently espoused loyalty to human rights and democracy while constantly coddling dictators? Is this something that should be discussed or is it something to be ignored because it is not helpful to the cause?

      We are not calling for issuing statements for the sake of taking a position. My favorite example of that is the ELF taking a position on Camp David Accords and how it is not in the interest of the Palestinians. I understand that that was a different era: when we felt that the struggle of “oppressed people” is one, and we must show solidarity with every oppressed group. That’s not what we are calling for. What we are saying is that on matters that affect Eritrea, regardless who is in the cockpit, we must be assertive and not yield to others. Otherwise, we will continue to have what we have: a large, disunited group being the Tesabi/rimorchio to everyone who is planning our future.

      saay

    • dude

      Dear HTG,

      Temechegn, and to think I once took you for a closet PFDJ. To me, the points you have raised have been qualitatively prevalent ever since I first began reading Awate at the height of the Romantic Wars. I’m sure there’s an alternate universe where your objectivity and logical perspective takes its place among the giants and I a musician but alas we’re stuck in this one. Here’s my all time favorite song, Tesfamariam Kidane’s Heywete with Tekle Adhanom on the guitar.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtuW_S4KAJU

  • Thomas

    if we cannot do it, others have to do the dirty job for us. It is a win win situation, I approve the removal of DIA by Ethiopia. See below:

    http://eastafro.com/Post/2014/08/11/ethiopia-eritrea-enough-must-now-mean-enough-walta/

  • Thomas

    New Eritrean Movie 2014 ” Suwue Tezarebu ” Part = 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_5L8x3WmCw#t=1223

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Thomas,

      When the living can’t talk the truth, the remaining dream and hope seems the “resurrection of Sewue”, and to listen “zereba Sewue.” Doesn’t this sound an Utopian dream? The sewue mission is accomplished, the living mission is at the dead end all in the state of ambivalence. How do you see it?

      Amanuel Hidrta

      • Thomas

        Selam Amma – “The sewue mission is accomplished, the living mission is at the dead end all in the state of ambivalence.” Strongly agreed.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear AT;
    Simply one of your best! Informative and well balanced analysis. Thank you.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Mahmud,

      Truth doesn’t demand balancing the realities. To balance with what? Truth demands to tell the facts and say as it is what ever is in the ground. So your work will be to scrutinize the written statements whether they are facts or false. Once the word balance interfere in the process of scrutinizing the facts in your mind’s thought process, you will live in a state of ambivalence for ever. Think about it haw Mahmud. Just you should ponder what are the facts of “Pencil”? Are the the stated statements has the elements of truth? How do they collaborate the facts to say what the team has wanted to convey their message? Those are the critical-eyes and crtitical questions of a thinker and truth seeker.

      Hawka,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Thomas

        Selam Amma – if I have to guess, Muhmad rated AT’s above article as balanced because AT accused US as they picked Ethiopia over Eritrea. This was when Ethio-Eri went to war over Badme in 1998. I don’t agree with AT on this very fact. I think US made their mind in choosing Ethiopia over Eritrean when IA started supporting Alshebab. The second reason could also be seeing IA’s stand over democracy and we know Meles was a very unpredictable or flexible as convincing the US that he was for democracy.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Thomas,

          My argument is on the concept or word “balance.” You don’t need to balance the truth. Truth is truth and you said it as it is. I didn’t give my evaluation on the teams report. However, I agree on your reasons which says “I think US made their mind in choosing Ethiopia over Eritrean when IA started supporting Alshebab/the Islamist.” I will add to that the unfounded violent attack on Dijbouti. Your second reason isn’t a strong reason, Though US advocate for justice/election/freedom, as far as their interest in the region is not attacked, surely they won’t make a jeering cries.

          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ermias

            Emma, I am curious to see what your own take is on the article. Respectfully, Ermias.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ermi,

            These days I have slight difference on the team on how change comes. Remember every position they argue on geo-politics will always rope-tightened from the concept how change comes to Eritrea. My outlook how geopolitical diplomacy should run conflicted with their view this days, so as Thomas noted it in his comment, which I agree on his take on it, doesn’t require redundant argument. I don’t need a dog fight with the team in the area I disagree, where there are many thing we agree with. But I won’t stop from stating my position at any circumstances.

            Usually, the team doesn’t argue based on “in general”, they don’t like lumping. But the “pencil” the editorial, this time as you quoted in your comment, they are making general statement indirectly on behave of the regime and his supporters. Not my cup of coffee to say the least in terms of positioning yourself. But as news item analysis I would see is as a worth reflection.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Thomas

            Selam Amma,

            I think interest comes the front push for every country in our universe. However, when you have countries like China, Russia and then you will be obliged to pick for the one which is fair. I just responding to your view on my comment, “Your second reason isn’t a strong reason, Though US advocate for
            justice/election/freedom, as far as their interest in the region is not
            attacked, surely they won’t make a jeering cries.”.

      • haileTG

        Hi Aman,

        I don’t want to step on Mahmuday’s toe and offer an answer (I am sure he will in his own prospective), but say what “balance” comes off as in his short feedback. May be he is saying that the article “balanced” for Pro and against regime side sentiments well. I don’t think he means “balance” as in political rhetoric was “balanced” against discussion as it relates the fundamental interests of Eritrea. This issue was covered by all PFDJ mouth pieces and was made IA vs the summit rather than Eritrea vs the summit. PFDJ are not capable of differentiating between Eritrea and IA and co. Dehai, madote, tesfanews and so on reported on why IA shouldn’t feel bad about it and so on. To the rest of us IA can jump off a cliff right this moment along his deranged supporters, we need to hear why Eritrea should/shouldn’t mind being excluded and kept in the cold. So, I doubt if AT balanced in that sense at all. Yes they sounded some opposition tidbits and some supporters tidbits, but if you go by the response most of the regime sympathizers (save Mahmud) have come out highly delighted and most on the justice seekers find it lacking 🙁 So, may be the “balance” in Mahmuday’s assertion still have to be scrutinized 🙂

        • Ermias

          Hailat, when I read Mahmud’s ‘balanced’ comment, I was thinking he also meant that the article covered both sides of the equation. Meaning, why IA wasn’t invited and the resulting sentiment of his camp, as in the Hateta inserted in the article. I didn’t see it as if Mahmud meant that the writers’ stand was balanced. But maybe he meant the latter. I am actually super curious how Aman H. and Mahmud will analyze the article.

          • haileTG

            Yes Ermi,mine is a best guess too. Let Mahmuday come out and put his controvertial “word” straight (Lol he is probably wondering “man! how short does my response has to get to avoid controversy!” poor haw mahmud) 🙂

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Hailat,

          Mahmud was happy because the “editorial” speaks the interest of the regime at the same time. An Editorial can give news analysis the way the see it. But when they put their own judgement, they will definitely face scrutinization of their statement and positions. Making analysis the Eritrean people to understand the complex political reality is one thing, and giving justification one way or the other is another thing. If you read the “editorial pencil”, the recent one, it does both, so is the debate going not on the substance of news analysis but on the position of the team. Correct me if I am wrong?

          Amanuel

  • sara

    when i heard the news i had difficulty understanding why was it necessary to bring all those africans to washington. now it is clear,thanks to you (awate) for the translation of eri-tv editorial on the so called africa-us summit.

    • Papillon

      Sara,

      Well, deal with it. Your tyrant was not invited. He is isolated for he has turned Eritrea into a political “leper colony.” You might as well go to Madote and spew your ትደልይኦሞ ይዝንግዓክን pathetic excuses. The tyrant is done and eat your heart out!!!

      • Thomas

        Go papi go papi — we are with you:) I am sure this a matter of principle not one of those cat fights:)

      • sara

        from your writing i could guess you are on Mam’s age and it really pains me to read the vocabulary you use. i wonder how you deal with your kids (if you have one ) with kind of attitude and bad mouthing.
        as for the “leper colony” bla bla.. that is only in your imagination and the books you read.
        out of respect to our culture and assuming my guess (old lady)is right i will not respond to you at least on this thread.

  • Kokhob Selam

    so that is good advice to PFDJ too. certain things are required to make Eritrea part of the meeting. you know what is good about PFDJ? they don’t know how play it and they have killed their own party. in this article we learn that outsiders put their points and advantages and if the country meets the level they will hug her. they will not care about our internal problems much. it is the same, even internally who could have cared for those who have been killed and disappeared long before the so called freedom if EPLF meet the requirement of the people (people?). the true nature of the criminal group could have been in secret for longer time. the good news is God is great and truth shall won.

  • Hope

    Ahha!Here we go again!The Real Eritrean mind in ACTION!
    Kudos to U the AT.
    I guess we did not realize that we were dealing with Super Human Brainers.
    Nio further questions,your Honors.!!!