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Mining for Truth At Nevsun’s Bisha Mines

March 13, 2015 (8:00 am): Gedab News published a news item based on a statement issued by the Eritrean National Salvation Front (ENSF), one of Eritrea’s exiled armed opposition groups. ENSF claimed that on March 11, at 8:00 pm, its armed unit attacked a government garage in Qohawta neighborhood, southeast of the capital city Asmara.

March 13, 2015: Nevsun issues a press release in which it reported “that the processing plant at the Bisha Mine has been temporarily shut down due to a mechanical issue with the ball mill….  During this temporary shutdown, the mine plans to catch up on waste mining and accelerate other preventative maintenance that was scheduled for later in 2015.”

Undated: A few days after March 13, an Eritrean Arabic website carried an undated report by Zagil stating that “A Military Land-cruiser vehicle destroyed near Bisha.” The news stated that unknown parties destroyed the vehicles with an RPG in Gash Barka region of Bisha, and that six military elements were killed and two might have been officers. It also stated that Eritrean opposition elements do not rule out the possibility that the operation was carried out by opposition elements from within the Eritrean army.

March 20, 2015: An Eritrean facebooker from Addis Ababa wrote on his wall: “…I am the first who posted this news. Bisha gold mine and an arms depot were hit.”

March 21, 2015: madote.com, an Eritrean regime friendly website, posts a video published by ESAT, an Ethiopian opposition satellite TV broadcaster, which purportedly shows two Eritrea-based Ethiopian opposition groups, Arbenoch and Gnbot 7, waging a military offensive inside Ethiopia. The video supposedly shows Ethiopian prisoners of war and equipment captured by the armed rebels. The soundtrack to the video is a famous Ethiopian warrior song named “Fano” by artist Kassa Tessema. The video is an excerpt from a longer reportage by ESAT which may be a chronicle of a no-date alleged military actives inside Ethiopia.

March 21, 2015 (7.00 am): Facebook account-holder “S. Hamid” introduced the source of all the news that followed with an introduction in Tigrinya, Seber Zena, meaning Breaking News: “Sudanese sources confirmed that the Ethiopian air force carried out an air attack on the Bisha mining company.”

“S. Hamid” then attached a scanned image of, allegedly, Sudanese newspaper Al Sahafa. The Arabic news with a byline (Al Sahafa) accompanied an image of Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea and Hailemariam Desalegn of Ethiopia. The title of the 73 word news was under a bold title stating, “Ethiopian planes bomb an Eritrean gold mine.”

There is no online version of Al Sahafa which, according to Wikipedia, is owned by Sudanese National intelligence service.  Al Sahafa online was last updated in November 2013.

March 21( 2:00 pm): This Al Sahafa news story was widely spread among Eritrean and Ethiopian Facebook pages and other social media accounts. By Saturday afternoon, Radio Wegahta,  an Ethiopian radio station, was claiming that Bisha mining concern and an arms depot were hit according to “our sources in Akordet.” Salina.com ( a sister of Wegahta radio) stated that it got its news from its sources in Eritrea that “The Bisha Gold Mining in Gash Barka and the May‐Edaga Depot are destroyed” and that, “the attack which started at 4:30 am on Friday, March 20,2015 and the huge fire caused thereof lasted well into the middle of the day. The attack is believed to have been carried out either by missile or sabotage by opponents of the regime.”

In quick succession, Eritrean websites asmarino.com, farajat.net, adoulis.com, assena.com essentially sourced the information provided by Wagahta and Salina.com.

Then came Ethiopia’s Awramba Times, except this time the news had a “high ranking Ethiopian military officer” who confirmed to Awramba Times, on condition of anonymity, that “Ethiopian Air Force jets bombarded two key targets inside Eritrea.”

And then there was Ben of Ethiopia First, perhaps the most naive minesweeper in this drama. Not to be outdone by madote.com and ESAT, he had his “Fano, Fano” soundtrack and he told his listeners that this Ethiopian military operation, which he code-named “Operation MI-35”, was in retaliation for Eritrea’s refusal to return a fighter helicopter which was lost to Eritrea thanks to a “treasonous” Ethiopian pilot months earlier. Ben opened his piece with a dramatic “there was no sleep in Eritrea…”

The news had now become a duel between Ben and ESAT: a drama with the same soundtrack.

By this time, the Ethiopian government, which seemed to have been enjoying the psychological warfare, told a Djibouti newspaper: “no comment.”  Ethiopia-friendly second-tier websites were disseminating the news that the invincible Ethiopian Air Force had its way in Eritrea. The message was not so much that Ethiopia was invincible but that Eritrea was helpless. Cheerleaders pressed on the point that Eritrea is helpless! It can’t retaliate! It is finished! By Tuesday, Ben had modified his “Fano! Fano! to “Yefiyel wetete”…

March 22, 2015:  Nevsun, which has a 60% stake at Bisha, sent out a newswire indicating that on Friday, March 20, there “was an act of vandalism at the Bisha plant late last week; there was no significant impact to operations and no personnel were harmed.”

Assessment

Was this an Ethiopian operation?  To answer that question, we need to look at precedence. If it is Ethiopia and it wants to flex its muscle, as it did in 2012, there would be a press conference with a general holding a stick pointing to a map and bragging about the operation and how his fighter jets or commando units returned unharmed.

Since this involves a foreign asset, Bisha Mining, if Ethiopia is really involved and it doesn’t want to officially indicate it is involved but wants to semi-officially tell all concerned it is involved, it would send it to its semi-official websites.

The Ethiopian news media involved were third-tier. Thus, the message had dual purpose: to the hyper-nationalist Ethiopians and to the gullible and/or content-starved Eritreans who copy/paste anything they receive uncritically.

Beyond that, it is a fight between Ben (who is still trying to make sense of his timeline that Ethiopia’s retaliation occurred on Friday, March 20, at 4:30 am) with madote/ESAT publication of its Arbegnoch (Eritrea-based Ethiopian opposition) video of later that same day.  It is hard to justify a retaliation that occurs before the event. In any event, the madote.com publication of ESAT, and its selective editing of a 20-minute video of an alleged military operation inside Ethiopia (most likely inside Eritrea) from a 90-minute ESAT documentary of Ethiopian armed groups in Eritrea does not tell us when exactly the military operation occurred.

Conclusion:

What happened on March 20, 2015 is likely a continuation of what happened on March 13, 2015, the one advertised by ENSF. We say it is a continuation but the responsible party is unlikely to be ENSF: if it were, it would have announced that it was the responsible party. The most likely explanation is that it was committed by disgruntled Eritrean members of the Eritrean Defense Forces. It is highly unlikely that Ethiopian Air Force was involved (this would be an act of invasion against a foreign asset and Canada would, using evidence gathered from the bombing site, sue Ethiopia.)  Nonetheless, Ethiopia might have encouraged and fed the propaganda that its Air Force was responsible for two purposes: to placate its war lobby inside Ethiopia and to communicate to Eritreans that their government is entirely incapable of self-defense and/or retaliation.

Sadly, many of the Ethiopians involved with the dissemination of this news were intelligence-driven. (Remember the first source, Sudan’s Al Sahafa, has strong Sudanese intelligence connection, to say the least.) As for the Eritreans involved in the dissemination of this farce, it is an assortment of people who have given up on any possibility that Eritreans will ever be capable to bring about change and change can only come carrying an Ethiopian label. We can’t really blame them: Isaias Afwerki has reduced Eritrea to a country that can’t defend itself and, even worse, a country with such a disfigured government that a substantial number of its citizens would accept any force of any kind to initiate and administer the change: the Eritrean government has so isolated the country no country in Africa and likely none from the permanent members of the Security Council would condemn an Ethiopian invasion.

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  • sara

    very informative, but will be more interesting if you could also enlighten us the receiving countries reaction and action and policies to these flow of asylum seekers.

    • selam

      All tigray people and some from Amhara are using eritrean names and ID to ask asylum in the west. That is well known to all Eritreans but their number is very very few if you compare it to the actual number of the Eritreans.

      • Abi

        Selam
        You know how the asylum officers in Europe tell who is eritrean and who is ethiopian? They check the teeth of each applicant. If you don’t believe me ask prof LT, the all time great philosopher and proud eritrean who lives in the coldest part of the world , suffering from brain freeze coupled with concussion due to his usage of his head for “testa” than use it to think . Yes , ask LT. He will tell you the physiological and anatomical differences of the two people.
        According to some experts in the field ethiopians are like cows with four legs. So it is easy for any immigration official to send the ethiopian applicant to the barn.
        Problem solved !

        • selam

          LOl come on Abi , I am not the much idiot that take your words as they are. I may have bad experience with weyane and stil hate them , but do not take me wrong , i have a good relationship with ethiopians in the west and i happen to be their neighbor. Still i keep my relationship very very good. So i do not need to hear from Your professor LT . I have direct access to what happens to the asylum process of ethiopians. Forget about the teeth and four legs. That is evil thinking.

      • sara

        indeed it looks so from what i read here , but my question was to araya, about the countries in europe who are receiving these asylum seekers, for example i heard from recent report by the italian government they are overwhelmed with the numbers flooding to their shore that they are asking the european union to make a budgetary support to their efforts and at the same time to help stop the flow from the point of embarkation, like libya,egypt,lebanon,turkey,tunisia etc.

        • selam

          At this time it is very hard for the tigray youth to say Eritreans as they are asked to bring direct references from Eritrea like father or mother ID copy in some cases like Denmark, Norway and swizz. But all in all they still use eritrean ID from Ethiopian camp and forge it to their name.
          The Tigray people will not participate in the 24 independence day once they get the positive reply from immigration office of that specific country and they can not debate Eritrean politics openly with their eritreans as they are very short of every thing.

        • operationmi15

          Ethiopia has overtaken Kenya to become the largest refugee-hosting country in Africa, sheltering 629,718 refugees as of the end of July, the latest date for which we have figures. Kenya, still a major hosting country, is host to 575,334 registered refugees and asylum seekers.
          The main factor in the increased numbers is the conflict in South Sudan, which erupted in mid-December last year and has sent 188,000 refugees into Ethiopia since the beginning of 2014. There are at present 247,000 South Sudanese refugees in the country, making them the largest refugee population.
          They are followed by Somalis (245,000) and Eritreans (99,000). Over the last seven months, nearly 15,000 Eritreans and more than 3,000 Somalis also arrived in Ethiopia.
          Together with the Ethiopian government and other partners, we are providing protection and humanitarian aid in 23 refugee camps and five transit sites around the country.
          Three of the camps and three transit sites are new – having been opened since the beginning of the year to handle the growing number of refugees fleeing the fighting in South Sudan. All three camps are at capacity and we are developing two more. While refugees wait to be moved to the new camps, more than 18,000 are sheltered in three temporary sites in Pagak, Pamdong and Matar in the western region of Gambella.
          However, in recent weeks heavy rain has flooded these three low-lying sites, as well as Leitchuor Camp, where the situation is most serious. Some 10,000 refugees – more than a fifth of Leitchuor’s population of 47,600 – have been hit by flooding. Many tents and shelters are under water and latrines have collapsed. This is a serious health concern and threatens to undermine gains made in preventing the outbreak of water-borne diseases. Refugees have pitched tents on higher camp roads.
          With the rainy season set to last until October, we are working with our partners to drain the accumulated rainwater into a nearby small stream as quickly as possible. We are also speeding up development of the new Nip Nip camp-some three kilometers from Leitchuor. It will be able to accommodate 20,000 refugees. In the meantime, we are moving affected refugees from the roadside to drier spots of the camp and are sending relief items to the area to be distributed to refugees who have lost their meager belongings in the floods.
          Most of the Gambella region is at a low elevation and flood-prone. UNHCR continues to work with the government at the federal and regional level to identify additional sites that are less susceptible to flooding.

          • selam

            Listen to the person who is demanding the eviction of tegaru from the camp. You may have some members in the camp. Abzi measker atiyom zelewu tegaru yiwutsuu bi shimina ayshekitu ebilu

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yhldbm1YA

    • operationmi15

      are you calling the international community to gather a meeting to change the 1951 convention
      (@intercontinental-hotel in asmara)your stupidity is getting worst by worst like your state.
      Try to focus on the cause of refugees Your trenches Digger architect is the cause of all the crisis.

  • selam

    Reply to Kokhob selam , i could not scroll down on the site sorry for reply to the top.

    If i can drive the opposition like my own car , mind you i have never ever have accident in 8 years of my driving. i will do the following.My 60% of energy and money will focus to women and young below 40 years

    Even when authoritarian governments respond to resistance movements with violence, nonviolent resistance still produces superior results to armed struggle. Nearly half of the nonviolent movements succeeded in the face of government violence, compared to only 20% of the violent movements.Nonviolent movements are also better prepared to transition to a more peaceful, democratic government because they are able to build parallel structures to the government. Here they use the example of Solidarity in Poland, which developed into “a kind of shadow government, facilitating its ability to step into a leadership role as communism crumbled.The superior success rate of nonviolent movements is even more impressive when you consider that such movements were pretty rare prior to the 20th century. If you want to learn to use violence well, there are books, treatises, military academies, martial arts schools, etc. But the opportunity to learn nonviolent methods of resistance to evil acts? They’re few and far between. And nonviolent methods are often harder to learn and require more discipline in order to overcome our natural tendencies to anger and fighting to check see the current situation between the oppositions and also some supporters of PFDJ.

    1.Upgrading or news and propaganda machine more focused to our own problem

    2.Cutting all finanicial help from west to PFDJ and root out all PFDJ organization in the west

    3.Create a strong opposition that tell the Eritrean people better vision by comparing the mistakes of PFDJ and cut all the andentawiyan and other separatists but still hear their concern.

    4.Convince the Eritrean people inside and out side Weyane can do nothing and the only enemy is PFDJ

    5.Create a ground hold inside Eritrea by funding individuals even by passing PFDJ steps in security apparatus

    6. Show the Eritrean people you care more and distance any thing from weyane.

    of course i am just telling from my heart not my head , my head is always non apologetic

    “There are many causes that I am prepared to die for, but no causes that I am prepared to kill for.”
    – Mahatma Gandhi

    • Kokhob Selam

      Wow! I love you. you reply came within short time of my post, I can’t believe my eyes to see you coming with such wonderful list. it seems to me you prepare it earlier (no now, but let me believe you prepare it now ) I am honest lto say so . I have seen your credibility for the suggestions awate asked recently. no doubt you are energetic.

      you see now, you have come with the list that can cover almost everything, like discipline for example it covers a lot including respecting experiencing elders, all your points can be expanded and can be illustrated. what is remaining is commitment. doing it, working on that takes really alive personality. some like point no.6 can be rechecked, analyzed, I may have my own idea on that, you don’t have to label me “Weyane” first listen to me and then if you agree that will be another common ground. if not all we have to do is work with what we agree. At times opposite ideas can support us, like if you have doubt in Weyane but I don’t working within the common ground you will be the safety side of our struggle as party. No problem at all. all we have to do is avoid the risk. over. isn’t it. if your party and my party have a complete understanding you do things which I couldn’t and let me do what you couldn’t. that is the nature of creative people, mixing, combining and creating new style. there is nothing to be against. but hey, action is required. oppositions are not functioning? let you and me handle it. who can say to you no to take over? is there anything to take over any way? so let’s take it easy, let’s stop allowing the ego to govern us.

      • selam

        Kokhob selam

        My take is simple and the ordinary people will understand easily as dealing with weyane and others is not easy . By the way i never ever said you are part of weyane or eshi goytaye i mean to some extent i can jock with you at any time at any place. My disagrement with weyenti is deeply rooted and it will not be healed soon. So here is my take . simply watch syria.Rather than illustrate the limits of nonviolent resistance, Syria shows how devastating the choice of violence can be i mean comparing to tunisia and to some effect just egypt before the the current government. Military revolutions create instability and opportunistic foreign governments often seize on such opportunities to “help” forwarding their influence and agenda to the helped countries detriment. Peaceful campaigns apply a safer to civil society pressure which can prevent a vacuum occurring and facilitate a power transition in some cases. As ever circumstances alter cases and in foreign affairs no two places or times are the same.

        • Kokhob Selam

          go ahead with that Selam Habtey. I will work with you on this journey. but I will also work part violent style. “ቅዠት ተፈርቶ ሳይተኛ ኣይታደርም”. from my long long long experience PFDJ and EPLF leadership never never never accept peaceful solutions. so PFDJ should be only crushed not to be seen at all in the future ( the idea). this is strong believe of Kokhob. what war? we are in war and worst. so what is there to afraid for ኣይነብረና ኣይጠፈኣና ::

          again first the case of other countries is different. PFDJ don’t have support from any part (religiously or ethnically) this the only good PFDJ has done, PFDJ is the enemy of every sector of our people. and then if there is any small crazy part that want to defend,then there is no way except facing it.

          again still let me agree with you, show me how peacefully you can throw PFDJ? isn’t all methods done to inform our people everything. is there any single man who didn’t see the truth? I am not talking about those SQUNIZ dancers .

          • selam

            Ok lets wait and see whose way is far better on how to kill the snake or stay on line to see one of us get convinced . One could argue that 80% of the Eritreans refugee in Ethiopia rejected the idea of waging war and killing innocent people who are forced to stay on the border . If they approve your way , Amnuel could have 100,00o strong army who does not need military training and also know how to shoot to whom but they rejected this idea. Any way lets put this issue to other time, As i believe the majority of the Eritrean people see any thing from tigray side is from weyane and your notion of waging war from ethiopia is defeated by default..

          • Kokhob Selam

            I believe yours is defeated and you believe mine is defeated. then we have to cooperate and materialize it. do what you can do and let me do what I can. is that fine?

          • selam

            The Thing is Kokhob hawey .

            People with guns some times tend to have their head root out out the basic rule of nature coexistence. Especially if you came with weyane help , you will find me picking guns and shoot at you on the same range as i do it to our enemy because you gave me no choice. That make me sad to think the streets of asmara full of blood and on some corners foreigners asking me BEBEY , HIZI kaa you know all these words in related to the accent , yet i still find you cooperative to sit and talk negotiate what is the possible solution. I am very young and can afford to give 10 years to my cause.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-zc1fLTNw&spfreload=10

          • Kokhob Selam

            so you are afraid weyane will come but you are not angry at the reality – the present of dmhit…Lol. instead of supporting me to finish PFDJ from Asmara (by yourself which you believe is correct) and you are willing to shoot me, can’t help. kokhob selam will kill selam and and selam will kill kokhob selam and only our generation will get the kokhob. Lol enjoy it. thank you bye for today.

          • selam

            You see how is demhit different from You ? Demhit are here for things they believe and they are not here to entertain me . They believe that weyane is evil and on such believe they are doing every thing to do what they believe. If you discredit demihit , it means it is ok for PFDJ supporters to dicredit you head on.

            I am not afraid of weyane but i strongly believe if weyane come in any form all Eritreans will fight to death and flock weyane from his head. What i am saying is for me and you , we should base our believe on our people that they can do it .

          • Kokhob Selam

            what you didn’t understand is Weyane will not come and I don’t support the idea unless there is an international agreement like what is happening in Yemen. all I am saying is getting support like logistic and others.

          • selam

            Ok continue asking logistical help for 15 years . You need to own the place where you paid for conferences and meeting with high level weyane generals . it costs more money if you will continue more conferences . I thought 15 years is too much . The international thing is dead and do not even mention it. We Eritreans do not look to international agreement as they are always against the humble people of Eritrea.

            Taking lessons from your failure is the best thing you can do to yourself and your people.
            15 years from and to Tigray . that is too much by my estimates. Wish you all the best on your difficult dealing with weyane.

          • Kokhob Selam

            how do you know if I am among those who try it? I might be from other parties. and by the way 15 years it is not Ethiopia who failed it is the Eritrean participants (I have listed one by one and I know the tendency of each) and I know how PFDJ played it. from this experience not scattered parties and individuals but disciplined practical single party with complete program will do the job.I believe. let’s us see near future and the start of such type front will be the end of PFDJ ideology. do your way and let others their way. let’s learn that different parties can be united in the job. let’s not try to monopolize others. that is old style.

          • selam

            I am just explaining the failure of your vision , what ever and where ever you are is another thing. I am talking about the revolving door that some come in and come out. I am not talking about the Weyanes either .But if you are good observer you can see demihit is over 50,000 in number and well equiped well trained , and determained enemy of weyane. this group can displace eritrea and ethiopia at large. So i am asking again where is the logistical help you get ? what do you get , i mean if you are able to milk weyane hard earned money easily with out giving the interest of Eritrea , you must be the most smart person ever to be born from Eritrea.

            The eritreans who are abroad are tired or such noises and they are looking to other solutions , do you think they are ignorant ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            the problem with you is you are not really reading ready to answer before putting yourself in my side. when you reply I read and feel if I am you, that helps a lot. you see, When me and my party start to function from Ethiopia it should be after studding it carefully and with complete package on how to do it. it is not what Demhit is doing (they don’t accept our national freedom by the way) and it is not the way our opposition try it. it should not be just to satisfy the ego, ti should not be just to please the ex-PFDJ members. not to please EPRDF, clear and to the point to create PFDJ free Eritrea. That is all. and for your information, no single supporter will defend and no single opportunist from opposition will become happy at the beginning but everybody will dance .

            now evey point between you and me is discussed. what is remaining is for you and me to follow the style we chose. but we don’t have to be enemies. we have more to benefit for being comrades. think about it, we both have one aim. we have to bring the culture of agreeing from different styles. let’s dismiss he culture of “if you don’t follow my method you are my enemy” this will give only more chance to the real enemy.

          • selam

            Still you are producing the same in which a typical characteristics that got lost long time ago.
            When i write i do not need to be like Kokhob , i always write what is right for my vision. Second you are making all claims to comfort your weyanes , by saying Demhit does not approve eritrean independence which totally bogus. Demihit has its own vision which is not related to Eritrean independence which is the same like some military opposition do. Now do i believe you are really working to take out IA and so work for weyane by dismissing the concern of DEMHIT why will you do that ? well one clear answer is to get aid , seocnd is to make Ethiopian andnetaawiay more comfortable . Lets accept that we have one enemy which is IA and how to topple him is common concern of the Eritrean people.

          • Kokhob Selam

            No, I am not interested in removing DIA. God will remove him one day anyway. what I am interested is to remove hate,anger,monopolization, cruelty, etc. if it is only removing DIA you are there Selam Habtey, show us.

          • selam

            I forgot you are changing professionalism from slick person to a pastor who pray every Sunday . How is business on Sunday with out including what you did on Friday ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            very fine. shall I record your name?

          • selam

            Have you ever heard a logger complaining about a thick forest ? Loggers have one thing in common with pastors , they pray to have very very thick forest and ignorat followers , i assume the later use more kind words while the logger use very very sharp cutting machine. I choose to avoid both of them.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            I did not understand the lyrics much but the melody is great and what a voice.
            Thanks.
            .
            K.H

  • AMAN

    OUR PARTY HOLDS BOTH THE PFDJ AND THE OPPOSITION
    RESPONSIBLE FOR FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP AND ASKS FOR
    HONORABLE RESIGNATIONS BEFORE TOO LATE FOR THE SAKE
    OF THE NATION, THE PEOPLE , ITS HISTORY AND VALUES OF ITS
    SOCIETY.
    =======================================================
    Huh
    So all the anger of these self entitled shumegnatat of both opposing parties
    (pfdj and its opposition) was that to confuse the people who defended their
    rights and freedoms irrespective party loyalities and present it to their woyane
    masters as precious presentation to a seat in power.
    They thought their bankrupt medais and papers were fooling us and making impact
    on our psyche to make us think twice ?
    It is a betrayal and treasonous act by opposing party leaders to present the people
    for cheap sale to woyanes or other chauvenist past regime bankrupt war mongers.
    That is why we said the THIRD WAY MOVEMENT will come triumphantly to pull the
    people and the nation out of the deep crises which only gets worsened by partisan
    elements and their confused follwers who do not qualify at all to be in a position of
    leadership of the people.
    Now I know and understand why all this smear campaign and campaign of threat and
    intimidation of our members of the THIRD movement who are dedicated Nationals so
    committed to the struggle of the people defending its history,legacies, victories and
    rights of his sacrifices in the struggle.
    1) The question is why do we have to be intimidated, threatened and smeared by servants
    of WOYANES and PFDJ’s for defending our and the rights of the people and standing
    our ground of justice and truth ?
    2) Why serve the woyane and its hostile media campign aginst our people and Nation
    and its brave fighter nationals who stood against both the pfdj and the opposition ?
    3) Why serve the policies of pfdj directly or indirectly – the policies of divide and rule
    and reduction of national values and assets and of war and antagonism ?
    Because our party believes that both parties has failed to defend and protect the people
    and the nation and have failed in meeting the challenge and threat posed by the woyane
    and its supporters and collaborators from remnants of past enemies of the people regimes
    against the right path the nation and the people were in to build a big and greater nation
    in the Horn of Africa sub region.
    Both have subverted and dragged the true path that was heading on with the right spirit of
    peace, trust and cooperation due to their feud and fight for power and authority against the
    the peace of the people and its political and social developments.
    THE THIRD WAY
    MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE !!
    VICTORY TO THE PEOPLE AND ITS THIRD WAY PARTY !!

  • ‘Gheteb

    http://nevsun.com/news/2015/march30/
    March 30, 2015

    Nevsun Announces Successful Bisha Plant Restart and Maintains Guidance

    Nevsun Resources Ltd. (TSX:NSU) (NYSE MKT: NSU) (Nevsun or the Company) reports that the Bisha processing plant successfully restarted on March 26 after completion of both the ball mill and the tailings thickener repairs. The processing plant had been offline since the March 13, 2015, announcement when the ball mill gear box mechanical issue was discovered during routine maintenance.

    The Company advises that the investigation by Eritrean authorities into the incident at the mine site a week ago continues. Employee and site safety and security are always of utmost importance and the Company has arranged for increased security in and around the mine site. There have been no further incidents.

    During the temporary shutdown the mine also took the opportunity, through its third party thermal energy provider Aggreko, to accelerate the upgrade of another ten of its twenty seven diesel generators with newer more efficient units. In addition, the mine was able to focus on waste mining and accelerate some other preventative maintenance that was scheduled for later in 2015. The Company maintains its 2015 annual production guidance to produce between 160 and 175 million pounds of copper at C1 cash cost of $1.20 to $1.40 per pound.

    About Nevsun Resources Ltd.
    Nevsun Resources Ltd. is a Vancouver-based mining company with an operating mine in Eritrea. Nevsun’s 60%-owned Bisha Mine ranks as one of the highest grade open pit copper mines in the world. Nevsun has a strong balance sheet and future cash flows to grow shareholder value through exploration at Bisha and acquisition of additional mining assets.

    NEVSUN RESOURCES LTD.
    Cliff T. Davis
    President & Chief Executive Officer

    For further information, Contact:
    Kin Communications
    Tel: 604 684 6730
    Toll free: 1 866 684 6730
    Email: NSU@kincommunications.com
    Website: http://www.nevsun.com

    • selam

      Well, where is the money going is another days question . For now , what happens to the stealthy weyane planes bombing ? can we imagine what will the 100th comments below about the Ethiopian air bombing ?

      Ethiopian fighter jets hit Eritrean Bisha mine and Mai Edaga military Depot under tigiraionline.com there are over 200 comments and many many replies with full of hate to the Eritrean people.

      Some said some thing happened because king hailemariam desalegne was not replying to the question. As if some thing happned due to his air force.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Selam,
        Yeah, all the talk about the Ethiopian Air Force bombing the Bisha mines, have literally BOMBED, meaning they went bust, they were lies, damn LIES and nothing more. The only thing that a thinking Eritrean should take from all the Bisha tall tales is this: Is the Ethiopian Air Force that powerful and mighty, after all? Or, is the talk and all the bragging about the Ethiopian Air Force just part of the whole plan, the psychological warfare to cow and intimidate Eritreans so that we will give in and surrender to the EVIL Weyane agenda as is propagated by some Eritrean hands these days? Well, I think the Bisha incident should serve all Eritreans as a good learning and teaching moment.
        Regarding where the money from the Bisha mining is ending, well, only few within the PFDJ and the Eritrean government know as this is not publicly disclosed for reasons that the PFDJ says that they don’t want to keep the enemies of Eritrea in the dark. According to some unconfirmed sources here is how the money from Bisha is divvied up (divided)
        1) 38% of the Gross revenue is paid as tax to the Eritrean Government
        2) 60% of the remaining revenue goes to Nevsun
        3) 40% is paid to the Eritreans, meaning 30% to PFDJ and 10% to the Eritrean people?

        • ‘Gheteb

          Correction”
          Read — They want to keep the enemies of Eritrea in the dark ISO “they don’t want to keep……”

          • selam

            Dear Gheteb

            Actually thanks to websites of the weyanes for providing such lies over and over , we have identified who are the enemies of the Eritrean people. I mean i was so foolish to think that all the oppositions are good and so giving the eritrean people a better choice but most failed to defend the sovereignty of our beloved country from weyane. Imagine they are on a very comfortable place in the west.

            Now I want to say BRAVO to some people like Tesfe and , Mahamud saleh and others who stood firm on their believe that the sovereignty of Eritrea is not negotiable. You people stood on your ground and that is what make Eritreans different from some other traders .We do not trade on our sovereignty. We will solve our problem no matter how long ,how harsh.

    • saay7

      Cousin Gheteb:

      From now on, if and when we refer to Ben from Ethiopia First, it should always be preceded by “Poor.” As in Poor Ben because of this:

      https://youtu.be/GNaDYrJ7vcs

      “ከሁሉ የሚያንገብጋባቸው ደግሞ: በአጸፋው ምንምምምምምምም ዕይነት ምላሽ ማድረግ አለመቻላቸው ነው::

      saay

      • ‘Gheteb

        Wo cousin Saleh,
        You are right. BTW, I heard about this Ben dude. Who is he? Sorry for my ignorance here as I try to keep far, far, far away from you know who. But, a little background info about this Ben dude from you will be highly appreciated by your Cuz ‘Gheteb.

        • saay7

          Hala Cousin Gheteb:

          Ben is a good guy: he is a man who loves his country, Ethiopia. And during the 1998-2000 border war, it was him (Ethiopiafirst) and Dagmawi who were making Ethiopia’s case, far better than Ethiopia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (walta) or its spokesperson, Salome or it is hapless Foreign Minister, Seyoum Mesfin (who has gone on to bigger and better things to mess up: he is the mediator of the South Sudan conflict.)

          Here, I believe he got played by Aboy Sebhat’s boys*. Ben is part of FM ZaMi which includes former Ethiopian employees of Eri-TV who were running Isaias’s ill-conceived Afan Oromo program.

          saay

          *Aboy Sebhat has a badly-named “Ethiopian International Institute for Peace & Development” which has attracted a bunch of brash and smart Ethiopians whose primary hobby is trashing Eritrea and its history. Ben is a hanger-on.

          http://eiipdethiopia.org/aboutus/index.html

  • ghezaehagos

    Hello Sal,

    Sorry for not replying to you earlier…I assume you wouldn’t remember which is perfectly understandable given the myriad posts going around in the forum. Hence, I need to do the reminding.

    “As for the Eritreans involved in the dissemination of this farce, it is an assortment of people who have given up on any possibility that Eritreans will ever be capable to bring about change and change can only come carrying an Ethiopian label…”
    I said this was one unnecessary provocation and is not true at all. This ‘farce’ was transmitted because people find it irresistible to know what was going on and in lack of credible news, they can’t help but rely in the available news…it is more like, ‘yibehal alo’ than, ‘haki iyu!”
    I find your put-down of the other news a bit curious. Asmarino, Assenna merely did what you did. They relied on the other news medias such as -Sudanese, Ethiopians etc- and referred to them. Awate also did the same, few weeks ago.

    • saay7

      kbur Ghezae:

      There is a difference between aggregating news without any editorial, aggregating news with editorial (curated news.) And, yes, part of the editorial is imagery: and showing an explosion and scaring people half-to-death. Part of the editorial is the rush to convince people, through sheer repetition, that it actually happened. The worst thing that the “opposition media” did is to pick up from the EPLF’s “entay yibehal alo?” days: where the media takes zero responsibility and says, “well, I am just disseminating entay yibehal alo and I am not to blame because all I am doing is telling the masses “entay yibehal alo.” This is from the days when the Fronts saw no distinction at all between propaganda and news, and from the days when Eritreans were so starving for news about Eritrea that they welcomed any information.

      Look, Ghezae. This is not a blanket condemnation of our sister opposition media. It is a criticism of how they covered a specific incident. If you cover news breathlessly and you give zero editorial judgement then you give the impression that you are wishing it is true.

      saay

      • ghezaehagos

        Dear Sal,

        From an average reader, which I think all the medias are angling to, there is NO difference as to your distinction between ‘aggregated news’ and ‘curated news.’ People will repeat as awate also published it too…If awate published about ENSF attack referring to statement of ENSF, it makes little difference if you editorialized it or not, though it can also be argued
        as editorialized too.
        “…..The attacked garage serves heavy trucks owned by the government’s land transport companies and concerns which are mainly used to haul gold and other minerals from the mining area, mainly from Bisha, the largest mining concession in the country. The mine is operated by the Bisha Mining company which is jointly owned by the Eritrean government and the Canadian Nevsun Resources. It is not known if the latest attack would hamper its operations..”
        This is from Awate’s gedab news… Now it is an interesting coincidence to foreshadow the ‘attack’ as affecting Bisha mining site; given what was to follow…
        The coverage continued for few days as information trickled in and nevsun itself called it ‘act of sabotage’ fuelling the first rumors/’news.’
        At any rate, I didn’t see any difference in terms of the approach of awate’ ENSF and others ‘alleged attack’ news items. That is all.
        Thank you,
        Ghezae

        • saay7

          Ah Ghezae:

          If you don’t see a difference, then it’s more reason for you to criticize us and not to rationalize what the others did.

          saay

  • selam

    The lack of a collective opposition is the main reason we Eritreans are suffering . Ethiopia and their help should stay where they are. We do not need your help and we will not be in your disposal .

    • Kokhob Selam

      Okay Selam, your stand will remain healthy for rejecting help from Ethiopia as far as you show us alternative. can you? no labeling no blaming just clear answer please!

  • AMAN

    Was washington policy wrong and erratic
    when it evaluates pre war Eritrea as ultra nationalist and extreme nationalism ?
    So did the subsequent action to change that inflammed it worse or diminished
    it as required ?
    I feel the assesement was wrong and the action taken was counter productive
    to the relationship it hoped to bring about between Ethiopian and Eritrean peoples.
    Because eventually ; weakening Eritrea means weakening Ethiopia and no other
    way round. If Ethiopia is to grow stronger, it needs a stronger not a weak Eritrea.
    Otherwise, if Ethiopia hopes to get stronger by weakening Eritrea it will only be
    a pipe dream delusional thinking. I think some of the results of this flawed thinking
    have already manifested themselves so far ! So what is next ? what else ?
    The only way that pulls Ethiopia from this trap and intricate web and that boosts its
    developmental ways is to have a strong Eritrea on its side and measure it self up
    as in healthy and genuine jelousy or competetion to propel itself up by rising above
    the standards and challenges. Otherwise; if it locks itself on weakening Eritrea as
    a requirement for it to grow stronger; it will only find itself going down and down until
    the lowest point is reached. May be a repeat of its past tragic history of war and poverty
    and civil war. Ethiopia has to get courage to completely alter these politics that it has inherited
    from the past erratic regimes as it is only a policy (domestic and international) antagonism
    and warmonger which diametrically stands in opposition to all genuine policies of peace, growth
    and development.
    Thus in this new millenia the first and fundamental mistake Ethiopia went thru is the repeat of
    these stale and bankrupt ideas and policies inherited from its tragic past while it had the opportunity
    to completely turn around this thinking and embark on more smoth path of positive journey. Sadly,
    each day it is on a steep descent as a result of its intrasigence not to let go its past deformed ideas
    though it looks like otherwise to it due to its delusion and delusional thinking and actions.

    • Amde

      Aman

      Does this officially make you a Neo-Andenet?

  • dawit

    Gedab News, the ‘Independent News resource ‘Mining the Truth’ in the wrong places. You must have wasted so much time digging to find the truth deep in world deception and fabricating ‘News’. The truth was always on the surface. Even though your title for the article says“Mining for Truth At Nevsun’s Bisha Mines”you were millions miles away from Bisha. If you had look at Nevisun website you would have discovered that there was an act of ‘Vandalism” which was made to fly through the Cyber space carried by the “Gallant Ethiopian Air Force”! “The Truth” of vandalism was reported by Nvisun and was carried by “Eritv” same day and your article came three days later after visiting the Awrambas, Asmarinos , Assanas, Sudan Tributes, Ethiopianreviews, Tigraionlines etc, with their ‘reliable sources’ and it seems you are trying to give these Free Media ‘news source’ as reliable.

    http://eastafro.com/2015/03/23/nevsun-resources-ltd-describes-reported-attack-on-eritrea-mine-as-act-of-vandalism/

  • Abraham Hanibal

    The Bisha, and other mining sites are the instruments of oppression and enslavement of our people, and they do not represent the intersets of our people, except enriching the pockets of the despot, and prolonging PFDJ’s power grip. In my view, a formal warning from the Eritrean opposition groupings should be issued to those foreign companies involved in the exploitation of our wealth and people. No sane individual would condone an attack on civilian targets or service rendering intitutions. However, the mining activities are the private property of IA, and should not be spared, though utmost effort should be observed to minimize collateral harm. We know the gold at Bisha is already depleted, without the Eritrean people seeing a single gram of it, and now the mining has proceeded at recovering heavy metals, the fate of which would not be different from the gold; ending at the coffers of IA.

    • selam

      Dear Abrham.H
      How many warning papers will the mining companies read ? I mean the oppositions are too many and they will not agree to draft one warning message . Some of them even does not have a say , as they are fighting to have their own state in which out side the mining area.

      Off course i was just hinting as if we have a credible oppositions , but in reality they are just not. They take 15 years to create so many oppositions yet PFDJ is laughing at their failure and getting hundreds of millions of Euro from western governments. Can you imagine at this time western governments to assist PFDJ projects ?

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Selam;

        I think the existing opposition alliances like the EDA, and ENCDC could easily come up with a common warning messages to the foreign companies, if there is the political will. Issuing such declarations doesn’t need to have very well functioning parties; it is just a matter of principle, aimed to send a signal to those companies that investing in the mining activities of the PFDJ amounts to indirectly facilitating the suffering of the Eritrean people.

        Regarding the EU assisting projects in Eritrea, I think this is natural as it is mainly focused into helping the Eritrean people in various social service sectors. You can think of such aid as development aid and as far as the donors make sure the funds are spent where they are intended to, there is nothing to worry about. In fact this type of development aid could help alleviate the hardship of our people, and their standard of living and hence should be welcome.

  • T..T.

    In democratic lands, economic changes give birth to new political parties. In Shabia-land, incidents give birth to new movements.

    We saw that the Forto incident gave birth to two movements: The Pro-Constitution and the Pro-People movements. These two movements driven by their political synagonism, they decided to fight together with the opposition against tyranny in Eritrea. The three joined hands in their fight against the dictator as evidenced by their focus of strive on stopping the slavery of the youth in Eritrea.

    Currently, the Eritrean political landscape is observing a new movement being hatched from the Bisha incident. The incubation process that resulted in newly hatched chicks at high temperatures of Awate-discussions under the theme of “for the sake of Mogogo let the mouse loose.” The movement got its name from their care for Mogogo (infrastructure built by the slaves). The Mogogo movement driven by its friendship for furtherance of tyranny and enslavement of the youth decided to become antagonistic in their political views and stands against the people, constitution and the opposition.

  • S.Tesfa

    Dear Elsa,
    I beg to differ on the ” Ethiopian PM hint ….” because I’m more leaning toward Awate’s assessment of the matter …. IN-HOUSE mission !
    After all it has been more than a week since the ” act of vandalism ” happened as per the press release of Nevsun. If its really that was the case, then we will know very soon whether the ” the damage from the vandalism” is corrected and Bisha mining commence operation at least by the beginning of next week.
    If not, the ” minor vandalism” would be an attempt to cover up a much larger INCIDENT or ATTACK which PFDJ and Nevsun are scrambling to cover up; which makes Awate’s ” most likely explanation” valid.
    P.S. I don’t see any viable threat for Ethiopia that would make her to go that far and attack inside Eritrea- considering previous incidents between the two governments. ( It’s only that guy named Ben who’s trying to spin it with MI-35).
    BR

  • S.Tesfa

    Dear Elsa,
    I beg to differ on the ” Ethiopian PM hint ….” because I’m more leaning toward Awate’s assessment of the matter …. IN-HOUSE mission !
    After all it has been more than a week since the ” act of vandalism ” happened as per the press release of Nevsun. If its really that was the case, then we will know very soon whether the ” the damage from the vandalism” is corrected and Bisha mining commence operation at least by the beginning of next week.
    If not, the ” minor vandalism” would be an attempt to cover up a much larger INCIDENT or ATTACK which PFDJ and Nevsun are scrambling to cover up; which makes Awate’s ” most likely explanation” valid.
    P.S. I don’t see any viable threat for Ethiopia that would make her to go that far and attack inside Eritrea- considering previous incidents between the two governments. ( It’s only that guy named Ben who’s trying to spin it with MI-35).
    BR

  • Semere Andom

    Give Ethiopia A Chance: The Case Of Two Writers
    What Nevsun called an act of “vandalism” in its Bisha mine has rejuvenated the opposition bashing crowd? To the delight of PFDJ and its unlikely legitimizers—those who want it reformed. The thinking of the group is that reforming PFDJ will keep Eritrea intact and help avoid the fate of Libya. Libya was primed to its current situation by the 40 year of brutal dictator, who pitted the tribes against each other and fostered mistrust instead of uniting the people. The longer dictator’s reign the more likely the country will be labyatized. The actual bombing of NATO did not really cause the two governments, the decades of mistrust and inequality did. In Eritrea the dictator is also sowing the mistrust between the people and the longer he stays in power the more likely a cleavage will unfold. But the notion that the Woyane will turn around and will boost Seraye’s ego by telling them they are the only people with, turn to Hamassien and tell them that they (TPLF) will protect them from Seraye and AkleGuzay, will turn to AkleGuzaye and tell them Hamssien killed YOUR SONS IN MENKAE (Added Hyperbole is mine) is admirable because it comes from writer and what is the other name for writers; it is creative writers.
    The pride of being from one of the regions and the myth that surrounds them is legendary and beyond the excessive sense of belonging and pride of the things that slightly differentiate them, they are one ethnic group with the same language, culture and heritage and are blood brothers intermarrying for generation before they even knew they were Eritreans. And there is no recorded history that I am aware of when the Seraye, Hamessien and Akle killing each other. In Libya, the animosity is historical and they do not intermarry. Painting the Libyan scenario is scary and the creative writer know it.
    Ethiopia is a country that is our next of kin in many ways.
    Khalid Abu, a former journalist turned opposition had clarity on the Smerr video that we watched and his language skills are not the only things going for him in that speech, rather his intimate understanding of the danger that lurks in the protracted PFDJ reign is behind his clarity. His assertion that lets do it first and then we are ready face our people is just his hyperbole speaking, remember he is a writer. If Khalid Abud is able to play “ashekkaE” with Tigrinya and his metaphors, but the Ethiopia will divide the “Kebessa” is even more potent than the “ashekkaE”, it is linguistic Yoga
    1. The help from Ethiopia should come under the auspices of some kind of united armed opposition and those who are opposed to a united opposition and want to nurse their silos can be left alone to wither away.
    2. The vision, the design of the future and heavy lifting must be done by the united Eritreans forces. But there is legitimate concern here: how do you do that if Ethiopia is playing you like “kemKuUsso” from behind. It is daunting task for sure and here is where the Eritrean ingenuity comes in.
    3. The opposition must stop apologizing for its presence in Ethiopia, the people must apologize to them for striping of their Eritreaness and basically tell the people we in the land where your kids are fleeing.
    4. This is not asking for Ethiopian blood as some Ethiopian commenters have called it, Eritrea cannot face Ethiopia in a conventional war now and its know it, but under PFDJ it will never stop of trying to destabilize Ethiopia by hosting the TPDM and others. Ethiopia has attacked Eritrea before and the later did not respond, but it has never stopped attempts to undermine Ethiopia, Ethiopia will have to pay something to protect itself from PFDJ and whatever that is, it is my opinion that it is best done in support of a united and armed justice demanding Eritreans.
    5. The opposition must also be careful not to put all their eggs into the “Ethiopian basket”. They have to nurture relationships with Sudan in anticipation of change of alliances in Ethiopia and also in anticipation of regime change Sudan. The hunting of Eritrean freedom fighters and deportation of innocent Eritreans in 1998 must be seared in our memory and plan prudently for that disaster. Remember history, so you can clue in when it start rhyming and stop in its tracks before it repeats.

    This writer is first to admit that the best solution would be some trusted IA general to catalyze a coup and then in max 3 years hand power to the people, there is precedent for it in our region : what Suwar Al-Dhab did to Numeirie. But this scenario is remote given the powerless generals in Eritrea, the other possibility is from low level ranks like Wedi-Ali, this is also less likely as the dictator has learned from his shock of Forto and even if this scenario repeats itself, I have no confidence it will ever succeed given the “learning disabilities “of all the movements that emerged from EPLF. There seems to be complete memory blackout of remembering lessons from past movements.
    Ethiopia is ripe place from historical, cultural, demographic and proximity to be the crucible where the desperate change we can be crystalized.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Sem
      Why are you busying yourself doing kuda Areza on this subject? Ethiopia has done everything it could to help. What else do you ask of Emmamachen EtioPya? You know they are not going to do the dirty job for you, but they are looking for gdusaat sabat, they have been all up looking out for doers. Volunteers needed semere. Just don’t ask the kids to do it this time too.
      In case if you missed it, I am standing in for Nitrickay.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Mahmud:
        Well, if you are standing for Nitrickay then, excellent job and we need to amend the rules here to delete comments that deliberately allege someone with things they did not say.
        I did not say Ethiopia need to do our dirty job and you know that, I am not saying, should I quote myself with my famous line?
        I am not doing khuda, rather tewedeb and the reason I am doing tewedeb it to make sure that people do not give life to IA by making the military help from Ethiopia “haram”. It is not
        And to the point of below the belt of joining myself I say this: the boys are already doing it and you are making them guilt of receiving open help by saying following
        1, the guns that you use must be designed, assembled in Eritrea
        2. your target should be some stones and deserted mountains and even then because these place have below them wealth do not bomb them, just make noise, “hahaaa” to scare the birds.

        • tes

          Dear Semere A.,

          You could have been respected at least for your koboro-war jankie mood if you didn’t go to a level that labels sovereignity as “FAKE”. You have totally forgot that Eritrea is a world known sovereign nation since 1993 no matter how bad politics exists inside Eritrean sovereignity.

          In fact, Eritrean sovereignity is not a question as everything should be done under this status. I could have agreed with you if you focused on building a strong and responsible opposition group that can sit and stand with other counter nations on matters that interests all. This is what the international norms tells us. This is what the founding principle of UN, AU EU and likes is. When nations were afraid of each other, they decided to sit together, bring their cases, solve their cases at the same table so that no threats can be created from agreements done behind the doors. Yet, no country should compromise its sovereignity issue. Other countries can intervene for their own advantage. This is what we in Yemen right now.

          The point that we should keep in mind is that no country will do anything for us. If they do, it is first and for most for their own advantage. Are we then advancing their advantage or for our advantage? If the later is your statement, why then you are calling the country as “FAKE”? Are you fighting to make this fake sovereignity a reality ONE? Or you are even upto ok to compromise like what Abdu Khalid is saying?

          Just a simple answer or apologies can save you to be a real justice seeking fighter. If not, as Tes, I am not fightinng for sovereignity but for a strong nation free of Dictatorial system.

          tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            stop this verbose prose, saying a lot and making no point let me put you out of your misery and ask you directly this one questions:
            Do you Tes as a justice seeker support the following scenario:
            Do you support military help from Ethiopia to get rid of PFDJ under a united opposition that is trained, willing to do the heavy lifting, own the vision, the design of the future country that is devoid of PFDJ?
            Is your definition of sovereignty a huge real state hoisting flag and dabbling as huge prison. Please do not give me the definition.
            When I said fake sovereignty , I mean what we have is fake under PFDJ, it the sovereignty of the land , rocks and not of the people, forget what the west thins of you, it also thought of you as bandits when you started, Canada thinks of armed struggle as terrorism. Now answer succinctly t the question above then we can talk

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            It looks like you have been kicked out from the School of Good Vibrations. Since Emma was kicked out earlier, all the school now has, apparently, is just Tes and SGJ. Abu Selah, I already see your eviction notice coming:)

            saay

          • AOsman

            SAAY,

            If you had a terrorism law in awate forum, Tes will be the first convict. That is considering most are toothless and Nitricc has retired from his guanti.

            I thought you were rehabilitated from the chauvinist and with you last article have become a fino tesmi…..

            Semere will start behaving soooooooon, he is under close watch.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • saay7

            AOsman:

            Well, part of the appeal of Professor Tes is you never know whether you will get an A+ or an F because my last article was just as “chauvinist” as all that came before it. No comprende.

            I think iSem will open the Khaled Abdu School at Awate University and then, in the student orientation, tell everyone it should really be called the Semere Andom School because Semere was saying what Khaled is saying now when Khaled was still in Eritrea editing Admas newspaper.

            Nitricc is on sabbatical and Gheteb, formerly Dean of Eritrean Habbo, is running his School of Dental Works.

            saay

          • AOsman

            SAAY,

            Tes is fine and is fine tuning the trouble makers…..Newtonian Law does not discriminate

            I am looking forward to your or Gheteb’s proposal on how you avoid “toxic” Ethiopia and you solve the proximity problem we face.

            I was excited seeing Gheteb last input with “Proximity” in its title, but it turned out about bursting the hope than presenting a clear alternative.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • tes

            Dear saay7,

            Your recent article didn’t make you free from your chauvinism but you came with more reconcilatory approach and you dropped your famous lines of belittiling people. As I had said, your lines were not sterilized but pastuerized and it was some how unharmful to contemplate about. You became with approachable energy from your hibernation. This is what I felt after I read your article.

            When I read articles, I have my own way of scanning between the lines. Just as your previous article that I dismissed because of half sentence, I also dismissed Ali Salim’s article for his word definition mistake and recently I found Amanuel’s senseless article.

            Therefore, I am just senstitive to some term ussage in an article. It is very rare for me to condemn ones political view unless he crossed the lithmus paper that I consider is against ERitrean people’s value. ELse, I always expect articles to come day and night from which I can learn. For grading, I am not to a level to grade works done by great awatistas llike you and Amanuel Hidrat though I spent 6 years grading for my engineering students. In fact, I am very well known for giving “F” grade.

            tes

          • Mizaan

            Tes, I think you are losing your marbles. It seems like you are crying for help as most people do before they committ very ill advised acts upon themselves. This is the last time I will write anything in response to you and will not stand to read anything you say. Unbearable!

          • Nitricc

            Mizan; don’t worry about Tes; he has spoken his stand and he had said his peace. He is saying first and for most Eritrean sovereignty is not negotiable; the end of the story. As much as he hates PFDJ and he wishes dismantled today; but he is saying it is not the freaking Ethiopian business. Why is it so hard for you not to understand his brave stand? Forget Tes. What is your stand?
            Are you with the cowards who want the Weyane to do the job for them while they are fattening their behind here in the west? Or are you with the group who are saying it is not the business of Weyane to interfere in our national affairs. Silence is not an option you better declare your stand. It is high time who is standing for what!

          • Mizaan

            Nittrickay, welcome back. Your ideas are radical but you are valuable here because you set the debates in motion, in reverse gear mostly but still good to have you. All I can say about Tes is he a handful. Too much energy for his own good. The only person who hasn’t lifted his fingers on is Saleh Johar and that is only a matter of time.

            My stance is that if we do not have enough Eritreans to man-up and deal with IA, then why not use the Dedebitawiyan to do the dirty work for us? We give them something small in return like free access to Assab port use for two years. Right now, the camels are drinking out of the sea and it is not being used for much more as far as I can understand. By any means necessary is where I belong. Eritrean independence is a legitimate, world recognized state so why are you making a meal out of it like Tesfabirhan Redie is doing? Don’t follow him, he has either been drinking too much (like Selam said) or he is border line bipolar.

          • Haile WM

            why do you underestimate the “Dedebitawian” ? if the are willing to do something we can’t do by ourselves for sure they will ask (and get) a higher price like free access to asmara, i mean the government palace, if you know what i mean 😉

          • Nitricc

            Mizan; the problem with the idea dedebitawian doing the job is that; it will cost you far more to dislodge the dedebitawian than to get rid of PFDJ. To be honest with you; I don’t buy this our people are suffering bull crap that echoed by every toothless people in Diaspora. They just want to go home and show their donated I-pad and Iphone and to tell their stories that they live in heaven. That is all about. Let me ask you an honest question if the Eritrean people were suffering under PFDJ who is to stop them from revolting against PFDJ and get rid of it? I see you are going to tell me; PFDJ got the gun; right so do the people! My point is the people are armed by the PFDJ why are not they revolting if they have been living under untold suffering the likes of Semere never cease to tell us?
            Why not? think!

          • Ted

            Nitricc, it is the heart of the matter, accepting people of Eritrea are capable of challenging authority. There is nothing standing between them and PFDJ if they want change by any means necessary. Eritreans live the hardship with PFDJ day in- day out to know what to do about it.The opposition better stop patronizing Eritreans by magnifying their suffering 10 fold to claim a higher moral ground and by doing so creating mistrust and bad image by Eritreans. Add TPLF as a savior to the mix, you are as good as dead . I could be wrong but I have not found one family member or acquaintance to prove the diaspora opposition’s allegation that TPDM are roaming inside Asmara or arresting or arrested people. Their response to this and many similar questions tells me all i need to know what they think of diaspora opposition. It is my understanding that the people clearly admit the suffering and the need for change also Eritreans don’t believe ,a hair on fire, political disaster inside their country rather understand the need for organic change. We need to follow the sense of the people and empower them accordingly. Vilifying the PFDJ and IA as dictator, crazy, alcoholic, murderer and so is counter productive and childish for opposition who has the best interest of the people at heart. It is hard for the some to admit but the organization PFDJ and IA, with its all short comings, are not portrayed to that level by Eritreans as the opposition want them to believe, at least not yet.

          • Abi

            Mizan
            This is just beautiful. Too good to be true. You want ethiopia to do the dirty job for you for 2 years use of the assab port?
            This is as arrogant as anyone can get.
            Listen body, keep IA and assab for eternity . We need none of it. You think ethiopian life is worth only 2 years of free port?
            How did Ato Amanuel call you Mizan? What did he see in you?

          • Mizaan

            Abi, that is what Nitricc and others accuse us for. Us meaning the people who would take ‘measured’ help from our neighbors to the south. But what we hear from some prominent writers here is that we are putting the territorial integrity of Eritrea at stake for seeking help from Ethiopia. However, our stand is not for Ethiopia to go in, do the dirty work, install a puppet regime, and be in control. No, we do not want that. We do not ask for that. What we ask for is strategic help meaning material help, intelligence help, helping isolate PFDJ and so on. I, for one, do not want a puppet regime no matter how much Ethiopia ends up sacrificing. At the same time, I do not expect others to do the ‘dirty work’ for me. I hope that is clear.

            But going back to history, your government was not very strong prior to the war with Eritrea. Weak in everything, economy, political stance, from the vantage point of Africa and the rest of the world – it was a weak republic but TPLF was able to rally all of you Amara, Oromos, Tigrayans, everybody because Eritrea needed to be put to its rightful place. That gave them a lot of political clout and they started carrying out economic programs and the rest of the world specially the US also continued its aid in much larger proportions. The rest is history and Ethiopia is now in the map on a positive spotlight but I know many many Ethiopians who are very unhappy of a 6% minority controlling 90 million people in a tight grip. Ethiopia can easily fall on its face if it continues its interference (tilk biye) in the rest of the Horn. A unified Somalia and a strong South Sudan can end your hegemony in one day. Somalia will eventually get unified, which what Ethios are trying to avoid. We know the story of Somaliland and the port of Berbera and how weyane controls the entire area there. You go there, your body will never be found just as you used to say ‘ሰሜን የሄደ መለዮ ለባሽ እና ቄራ የገባ በሬ ኣይመለስም’. Anyway, be realistic my friend. Ethiopia has a very long way to go and it can only benefit by creating a peaceful environment around it. Right now, it is on a bubble, just like to dot com boom if it keeps going on its empty arrogance. I realize its power and its size but it needs to create a conducive environment to keep growing.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abi:
            Do not be mad at Mizaan, before you guys smartened up you spent 30 bloody years fighting for the access for the port squandering Ethiopian lives and resources uselessly This was until TPLF made you wear new glasses and tested life can be sweeter without Assab. Please cut it off, you keep repeating the same line every time anyone makes passing comment about Ethiopian help.
            whether you get it or not your country has interest in Eritrea and for that it will invest something. Oe of its interests now is to get rid of TPDM which can endanger the security and the developements that are going in your country.
            Why you did you guys pay blood and life in Somalia?

          • Abi

            Sem
            It is sad to see you also think our life is worth only 2 years of free port that we don’t need at all .
            The Somalia case was a ” clear and present danger” Eritrean case can wait . It is not an emergency at all .
            Please don’t insult us . Free port? Really?

          • Ted

            Abi, Min yagaterhal ende Gondere 😉 Wagahen Tenagere.
            mare yete aginchie, afe beChew derqual.

          • Abi

            Ted
            YeGondere neger . Yezeren bitew yanzerziregn hone negeru. Yagderedregnal.
            Minew wendime keMar tera wede chew berenda weredk ?
            Kifu asabih , yemaybejih chew yihun

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abi:
            I was not addressing the 2 year port per se, I should have addressed that, but you made similar comment to me before too. Eritrea under PFDJ is clear danger to Ethiopia as well and your government knows that, but they are just giving PFDJ rob to hang itself, if the hanging takes long to kill it, they will do that with several attacks and that is good for us. Ethiopia paid heavy price needlessly and for sure it is not worthy to do it again and it was the loony leaders you had But you keep harping about it as if that lunacy cannot return if some people have their way in Ethiopia
            I did not say your blood is worth port access, you pulling nitricc on me:-)
            But you cannot ignore the danger of PFDJ and as Mizaan said, Ethiopia is fragile and PFDJ will never stop at making sure it fragments, that is their only hope. If you cannot see that, time will force you see that.

          • Abi

            Sem
            Looney leaders Tirayilka? Indeed.
            I really don’t think pfdj wants to mess with ethiopia. As long as it stay away from provoking us , it will stay for as long as it takes.
            As you and Mizan even Gheteb remind us, ethiopia is fragile. Tell me how ethiopia get stronger by preemptively attacking a sovereign country that is not a threat to us . Pfdj or tpdm, or the other opposition groups are not threat to ethiopia. You should be worry about them . Not us . What did they accomplish so far except asking mewesawesi? You sound like they are coming at as ” fast and furious ” sorry, I don’t buy it.
            BTW, ethiopia has never been stronger. It is STRONG enough to bring Egypt to its knees. I’m not bragging. We are making and witnessing history .
            Yeqenyeley

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Abi:
            I agree with you, PFDJ will not, cannot mess with Ethiopia and I do not want to go on and on about this Ethiopia attack or help as you seem not to get what I am saying about it, just like our Nitricc 🙂
            Oh, you do not worry about TPDM, you worried enough to bomb them, for us they are gone the moment PFDJ is gone.
            About the fragility of Ethiopia , it is true, do not be sensitive about it. Every African country is fragile and prone to fail. Ok, so you and Addis get over your inflated thinking.. Ethiopia has never done better and it has a good shot at success, it has many thing under its belt, but still prone to fail just like S. Africa and others are.

          • አዲስ

            Keep hammering that point that Ethiopia is prone to fail and with the same breath ask us to help free you from IA. What a pompous way of thinking. Do your own dirty work. If you need help, ask politely and prepare to pay for it. Telling us we were once a fool fighting 30 years for no reason, that we are prone to fail won’t get you anywhere.

          • Abi

            Sem
            Honestly, tpdm is a danger to eritrea. You said when PFDJ is gone they are gone. Really? They have nowhere to go . They will die defending the dictator and kill many innocent eritreans in the process. You are too smart to miss this. ” dangerous when wounded ” it is a matter of survival. Today they ask for mewesawesi, tomorrow they shoot. And they shoot as if there is no tomorrow. Because there is none.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Semere,

            You are right in that PFDJ is a clear danger to Ethiopia. But Ethiopia is fragile only in your dreams. And you can keep on dreaming that or wake up and face the music. If you are expecting and asking for our help, make no mistake we’ll make sure our interest are properly addressed.

            For any SANE observer, it’s clear that we can deal with unstable Eritrea as much as we are doing with Somalia, hence fighting your fight against PFDJ is not in our interest at this point. There will come a time a strong and able opposition need our help and at that time what we’ll ask for in return will be much more than the 2 year free port access that lunatic mentioned.

            I suggest anybody who is advocating for Ethiopian interference in Eritrean internal matters should realize the sacrifice they are expecting and internalize it very well and come up what they are willing to give in return. Tell us what’s in it for us and convince us your request is a win win approach. Anything less than that is considered an insult and goes with the same approach of pre 98 of bleeding Ethiopia for your interest only.

            Thanks.

          • HoS

            Hi Semere Andom

            It is not the help or interest, but the way he( Mizan) said it. Don’t ask us to sacrifice our blood for port service. Instead of asking us to sacrifice for something far more greater good for both peoples.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Andom,
            .
            Mizan’s statement was a crude way of presenting it as opposed to the elegant way Hayat Adem proposed it. Mine and Abi’s reluctance, I think, comes from fear of a variety of unknown problems both of us will face, specially us that could derail our march to self sufficiency. We are not waiting to be paid.
            “….before you guys smartened up you spent 30 bloody years fighting for access to the port…”
            .
            It is such a disappointing statement coming from you, anybody else would have been tolerable. I wished you could have read the book written by Zewde Reta titled YEritrea Guday. It is in Amharic, if you can read it, I highly recommend it.
            The successive Ethiopian leaders fought for bigger goals, I believe. A vision of a powerful nation and people. Yes, our leaders made blunders along the way. Other people in the neighborhood did not like it either. They used every discontent to their advantage. The fact we eventually succumbed to the reality of today does not diminish their hope and aspirations. Perhaps the hope and the aspiration was wrong, that is water under the bridge. Port was not the only thing we needed and bled for.
            .
            K.H

          • Semere Andom

            Hi K. H:
            Mizaan said he was trying to be sarcastic about the 2 year port access.
            Well, I said before you guys smartened up, but I also said you have tested life without it Eritrea and it is good.
            About the bigger goals, well maybe, but the Ethiopia of yesterday only showcased certain cultures and did nor reflect Ethiopia’s diverse nature. So I disagree with you that they had bigger goals, if it was for bigger goals they could have done it differently, at least in Eritrea they had 50% of the people in their side, their screw up was what tipped the balance, you cannot have bigger goals in mind and act like visionless brute.
            As I said before, the Eritrean revolution could been sparked anyways after the Federal arrangement was illegally dissolved, that was the first screw up, still they doubled down and tried to repress, murder people and you cannot call that grand goal, they did not have grand goals, they had small goals and that cost both people colossally.
            And at the heart of my comment of Ethiopia, like any third world country has the propensity to fragment, despite its enviable progress in every aspect it is based on its highly diverse nature,. Ethiopia has always showcased its Christian and Habesha aspect and if it does not exude it true nature with equality, freedom, culture it will fail. Now, do not get me wrong it did very well, never done better but that is not enough. It must continue its momentum undeterred.
            I do not trust any government, let alone a third word country that has a violent past. If it was up to me, I will highly restrict governments to leave the people alone, but they do not especially the government in Africa now. I am not like dawit and Nitricc who are saying Ethiopia will fail, I am saying there is propensity and it takes a visionary leader to avoid them, if the leaders are steeped in their new found success and got bogged down to mere economics
            If a country treats it is citizens the way it did Tigrayans to reduce them to the destitution for the last 50 years, the government had no bigger goals, come on K.H. That is the past and it can be repeated, you have your fair share of crazy people like everyone else.
            The Ethiopia i before 1991 was shameful, from it HS to its Dergi, do you think you can solve those problems in a snap of a finger like Addis is implying. I think Abi does not disagree with me, we are just not communicating and he did not read me on this subject.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Andom,
            .
            I see what you are saying and I don’t have too much disagreements about the past. Coming to the present the one sentence I want to highlight in bold letters is your statement “Now, do not get me wrong it did very well, never done better but that is not enough. It must continue its momentum undeterred.”
            In so many words that is also what I am trying to say. Like life itself, nothing is guaranteed. Yes we have the crazies too, there is no shortage of those in our part of the world.
            .
            That is why our best wishes, hope and prayers are that our leaders who appear to be sane continue the momentum undeterred.
            .
            K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            I am wondering how year pass by, we had the same type of words with that great horizon years back but it was ended in such civilized way and more. I wonder if Horizon is reading now those posts and remembering our past discussion. When you love both people, the way you look the past is really different. and more than even the dream you have for future of those two nations is different as the hate is dissolved and lost.

            Love and kindness make a miracle and let you understand people were victims of their own thinking. no one is responsible and no one is free ether. no one to be blamed as there is no result to be found on it. it is the system. the way things were measured that has created the mess we had live in. only the lesson then is useful for us. now, we are two nations but we are one people as you can feel it deep each of you.

          • Abi

            Sem
            Look, I agree with you in many cases. However, as I said many times before, I do not blame a 19th century feudal king sitting in 21st century. He did what he thought was right. He knew how difficult life is without a port access. Besides, he had the support of eritreans. You may not agree with the grand goal as KH put it. The grand goal was to unite and rule until kingdom comes. he didn’t know the other grand goal that was conceived as a mid-term project at Cairo university. Guess what? The Egyptian president was in addis last week saying ” qalachihu qale new, keqalachihu alweTam.”

            The other thing I HATE is when you mention Tigray as the only region destitute in ethiopia. Let me tell you everyone was equally destitute. I’m from the amara region. None of my grandparents read or write. They were destitute farmers who buried most of their children before age 5. The same to every part of ethiopia. Of course some regions are naturally better than others .
            Please , don’t try to be the defender of Tigray. If you have to defend poor people defend all of them irrespective of their region or religion. I HATE selective kindness. Poverty doesn’t know ethnicity.

          • Semere Andom

            Ok Abi:
            I do not act defender of Tigray, and I know that it was not the only region in Ethiopia that was destitute and repressed but for God’s sake do not justify your King’s brutality, please. The reason I mention Tigray in this scenario is because I saw what Dergi did to them in Hawzen, so it is not that I am saying only Tgiray was wronged, but that is what I was close to and of age to remember. Please do not give that often quoted line of Dergi was an equal criminal
            The Cairo thing was as a result of HS destroying the federation. I is just simple honesty to blame the king of 19 century, I am not saying he should have known he could done better without port. How about eradicating the federation and then when people protested he tried to divide and rule and mass murdering them. The Ethiopia of yesterday was repulsive, good people who had so much potential and beauty cashiered by their King and dictator, there is no going around it. Come on now, when it comes to that you got to be honest. I hate it when people justify HS and Dergi, I am not saying you are justifying Dergi but many of your country men do.
            Poverty does not know ethnicity , but it does when it is imposed by the rulers,

          • AOsman

            Abi,

            “I do not blame a 19th century feudal king sitting in 21st century. He did what he thought was right. He knew how difficult life is without a port access. Besides, he had the support of Eritreans. You may not agree with the grand goal as KH put it. “

            Not only the port, the fool (HS) had the whole of Eritrea under his pocket, his worry was that the Federal arrangement will have an implication on the rest of Ethiopia, it was just a matter of time and a reality he could not stop it. Pure and selfish move to protect his rule, like the one we have at home.

            Semere is telling you the truth that it took your 30 years to smarten up as a country and reach the federal system that under natural process you could have had all the 14 regions (Eritrea included) with the monarch at the helm. Ce’ la vie…..HS screwed it up and that is the reason that any change of integration will only happen when Eritrea is on its feet ready to start business with its neighbor. The attraction is mutual, mama Ethiopia will come running on our lap when we are live and kicking :).

            Semere,
            I blame SAAY, you are already having a fight with our brothers, now we are left with Hayat as our ambassador. If Ethiopia it to make a move, it will when it sees it ripe to do so and that will be when you give up on shouting “aiuto”.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            AOsman
            You argue that the king was worried about the other regions also demand a federal system . Any evidence? The king whether he was fool or brutal thought he was chosen by God . He thought he was a direct decent of God. Majority of people thought the same way . “Tsehayu Nigus” was people like to call him . It was the level of consciousness at that time you have to put into consideration. How do people get information? The country was in the dark. I’m talking about the same country you called backward. Why it is different now?
            Besides, he was favoring eritrea more than any other region to win the hearts and minds of the people.
            I still don’t blame him for what he did . He did what he believed was right at the moment.
            The funny thing is , the king you proudly called fool or brut was by any standard much better than the king you have now . IA also has his share of supporters and defenders. At the same time more and more eritreans are questioning the very idea of independence. More and more of them tell you even the brutal derg was better. More and more eritreans want to go back.
            More and more tell you the Cairo university mid term project that conceived independence was not in their best interest. It was for the elites . The majority was fooled like the king himself. Fool people fool king.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi AOsman:
            I do not see how my cousin Saay is implicated here?

            But there are always a time when truth hurts and the usually reasonable people like Horizon are not liking the facts that we cannot alter even if we wanted to. they are wrong on the “bigger goals of the former Ethiopian rulers”, it is a myth. About Ethiopia move, I agree and I said that before and given IA it will just be a matter of time. But my call or what you call “shouting aiuito” is not a call on Ethiopia to act and invade Eritrea, this is myth that some here are twisting, it is to make the point that if this happens under the circumstances I outlined, there is nothing wrong with it and that is the truth that is hurting some of our brothers here.

            The worst thing can happen is this: time ripens for Ethiopia to ask to borrow your diction and Ethiopia attacks, PFDJ collapses Eritera fails in the wake of PFDJ collapses , and the the opposition has not gotten its act together, Eritrea fragments, the we can do it own our idea will be too late . That is what am saying

          • Dear Semere Andom,
            When you say, “Ethiopia has always showcased its Christian and Habesha aspect and if it does not exude
            it true nature with equality, freedom, culture it will fail.”, I think that the same is true for Eritrea, unless of course highland/Christian Eritreans have indeed shed off their Habesha culture and Abyssinian history, and they have
            formed a homogenous nation that includes Muslim/lowlanders, which is impossible. When you speak of ethnic/cultural/religious divides, you should know that you are speaking about Ethiopia and Eritrea at the same time. Therefore, one should not throw a stone when he himself lives in a glass house.

            Ethiopia has interests, Ethiopia should fear a failed Eritrea etc, simply are not convincing enough to get Ethiopia committed in an Eritrean affair. If Ethiopia has the propensity to disintegrate especially due to ethnic chasm, Eritrea has much more of it. One should add on top of this the religious and geographic divides that are clearly manifesting themselves, much more than what we see in Ethiopia. If you believe that Ethiopia’s interest is greater than Eritrea’s; and Ethiopia should sacrifice her children, it is an insult to our intelligence.

            If one can give economic prosperity to all Ethiopians, be sure you have covered 50% of their aspirations, and economic development is not to be ignored. Democracy is a process that can be fulfilled gradually.

            When you say you (Ethiopians) had been dying for 30 yrs for the sake of Assab, you are indirectly repeating
            the same myth with those who said that Ethiopians died because they wanted the land and not the people of Eritrea. Is it not then oxymoron, when you ask Ethiopians to die this time for the sake of the people of Eritrea, when all they want from Eritrea has always been the land? If you see a shameful Ethiopia of pre-1991; what do you say of today’s Eritrea? Eritreans were duped in to believing that they were dying for independence and sovereignty. What they got in return is independence without freedom and land without its people, and today they are in a worse situation than they had ever been.

            Unlike EPLF, TPLF wore new glasses first itself, and then made Ethiopians wear new glasses, through
            which they could see today’s and future realities. TPLF did not wear the arrogant and egotistic glasses worn by EPLF and most Eritreans. It chose to share power
            and dared to experiment in ethnic federation, topics which the regime in Asmara would not touch with a long pole. If the mountain (Ethiopia) does not want to come to the prophet (those who want Ethiopian
            intervention on their terms), the prophet must go to the mountain, if he wants to see a change of heart on the Ethiopian side.

            I do believe that no Ethiopian government would fall into the sinkhole of Eritrean intervention. If that day ever
            comes, it will be on the demand of the world community. Ethiopia did not create DIA. Eritreans created him, and made him the Frankenstein monster he has become. No Ethiopian would want to see an Eritrea that wants to cross the mountain on the shoulders of Ethiopia; but an Eritrea that wants to move forward to the future, hand in hand with Ethiopia for the mutual benefit of both countries and people.

          • Abi

            Selma Horizon
            I like the way you see “keAdmas bashager”

          • Kokhob Selam

            መነጸር ማበደር ቢፈቀድ የኣድማስን ነበር :

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You need a vernacular to see keAdmas bashager.
            That April the fool day post is beautifully done . We have to have time to laugh. I loved it .
            Thank you.

          • Nitricc

            Horizon; there one major weakness with you, Ethiopians; you brag about nothing. First of all you can not tell the effect of a leader on that particular country till a couple of generation down the road. Although, you can predict by the path the leader is taking. Your leaders are building your country through debit and Aid where that leads you is remained to be seen. Although due to the economic melt down of each country; what you browning now will come to hunt you and it is a matter of time the Aid fatigue to set in. again, we will see.
            On the other hand Eritrea is following different path. Lean to no one so, when you fall blames no one but yourself kind of path. If you ask me; I will take Eritrea’s path. The US state department said it on their on word. What Eritrea doing is different.
            So, why can’t you just wait and see before you go out bending to the Weyane all the way.
            Here this will tell you the story
            Compare your country and with Eritrea and see for your self. One thing you must know; when you take a new path; people will resent and flee. The case in Eritrea Abi do you want Kadmas Bashager; then look at the power point.

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA_CNl9UkAAYkMC.jpg

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA_I6-jUsAA-v2-.jpg

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Horizon:

            When I said the showcasing of Habesha and Christian, I never made the point that Eritrea is better or comparing them, I was just stating the historical fact about Ethiopia in the context of the debate of Ethiopia’s fragility and even I added every African country is exposed to that, no one is immune!

            On the myth of Ethiopia wanted Eritrea land and not its people, why are you calling it a myth. To be truthful I never heard that line uttered by HS or Mengistu or any Ethiopian leader myself, but what I know for fact is this:

            The fact that HS and Dergi tried to almost exterminate entire villages by starting the burning of villages in Barka, instead of targeting the handful “bandits” they burned villages, looted property gutted pregnant women, that is the legacy of HS and Dergi, your former leaders that you guys are kind of glossing over and soft of justifying just because Eritreans did not smarten up and coalesced around DIA. And it was the reason the 50% of Kebessa, who voted for unification abandoned you in favour or the “bandits” after 30 years. A power that wanted/loved the people that had greater goal in mind does not do that. So the actions spoke, the facts are there for those who wanted to be brutally honest with their conscious. Those Eritreans who can remember the words, “we want the land not the people” can say if the words were in deeded spoken, but the actions spoke eloquently and you know what they say, action are more expressive than words.

            About the independence of Eritrea, again please do not change the subject, it was not about it, my sand on the independence is clear. Eriteran sad condition does not make the criminal rules of Ethiopia and irresponsible squandering of lives in both sides right, it was wrong then still wrong now. PFDJ’s crimes are wrong now and they will be wrong in the future.

            About the intervention, I am not calling for invasion, I am calling for collaboration and under strict conditions. The debate that Mizaan sparked was not about Eritrea’s independence and let us not change the debate to avoid, the excruciatingly painful past and trying to justify it by denying the criminality of HS and Dergi on Ethiopians and Eritreans.

            To conclude and how we see the Ethiopian tenure in Eritrea: Saleh Younis once commented, when growing up he preoccupied his mind of plotting how he would escape if the “terserawit” came into his house. He was tormented by your Ethiopian soldiers, who were murdering, raping and arresting people for no reason except for being or wanting to be Eritreans. And when he left and I was growing up it was even worse, so please you guys need to stop justifying the crimes of HS and Dergi, We do not hold it against the Ethiopian people, but the tendency to justify instead of acknowledge, the arrogance of calling facts we are intimately aware of a myth and the wilful shallowness to say that because PFDJ is criminal and the Eritrean independence turned out to be a mess, the Ethiopian rulers were right infuriates people and rightly so .

          • Dear Semere Andom,
            It is not necessary to go as far as Eritrea to find out the crimes of the bloodthirsty Dergue. I have seen with my own eyes the dead bodies of young people lying on street sides during the red terror, heard on the radio and on TV the death-list of people murdered by the junta, and it is said that up to a million people might have been lost. It was worse in Eritrea. HS had his share
            too. There is no way whatsoever to justify a crime and it should be a lesson for future generations not to repeat it. Nevertheless, the crimes of our past rulers should not continue to haunt the ordinary people and the new generation forever, and the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia should have the courage to take a step towards reconciliation. Europeans have done it, and we too should do it.

          • Ted

            Abi, Merze yehone afe aleh. Mizan and Semere don’t deserve that. BTW, it was typo, he meant 200yrs.

          • Abi

            Ted
            Bezih milasih mar lasbet.

          • tes

            Dear Mizan,

            Please stop your proxy war. You said that you don’t want to follow me then why I am in your head. Whether you like it or not, you will be kicked by my Newton’s law sooner or later. It is just a matter of time for being not to follow your hopeless cry.

            In the mean, I will try to respect your YG’s brainwashed mind. Even Abi is disrespecting you for your laud cry of help. Disgusting!!!

            tes

          • Mizaan

            Oh hello. Look who is talking. For your information, Newton’s Laws of Motion do not apply in politics. They are for objects in motion. Plus we now have quantum mechanics which is the basis of modern innovations.

            Abi misunderstood what I said. I was writing sarcastically to ridicule you and your likes. I read the articles your read in response to YG. I advise to pick your fights properly. I am not in war with you but I can’t stand your empty arrogance. You have a long way to go so be humble and respectful specially to the likes of amanuel hidrat. Read my reply to abi. I am no push over of the Ethio regime. I call for strategic aid from them to help oust the regime of IA quicker but no to a puppet regime in eritrea. It probably won’t be worse than what we have now but I call for extra patience lest we end up with a puppet regime but I welcome a carefully orchestrated and negotiated help from Ethio.

          • tes

            Dear Mizan,

            Concerning physics, just drop it or you want me to give you a lecture about like what I did to Abi? You might not know what Ethiopia is saying to PFDJ junta but to make you aware, when it talks about a measured action will be taken against PFDJ’s actions, the Ethiopian government is talking about reaction. And reaction is a response to an action. This is all about Newton’s law.

            Plus, I am telling you right now for the potential I am hinting to you in reaction to your proxy war with me and this is also Newton’s law. And when the time comes, I will accelerate my response to you, (Force is directly proportional to acceleration) is also another Newton’s law. Therefore, don’t be such a dump person. And Quantum physics is based on Newton’s law of moition, just the equations and particle size differs. Neverthless, I may sometime also need to use quantum physics to bomard you in a closed chamber but this is very rare to be used as you are not of that much significant threat.

            Else, you are just trying to avoid the reactions that is on the move to be applied to your wicked politics.

            tes

          • Mizaan

            Hence why I call you either a drunkard or a bipolar. You can’t teach me physics or anything for that matter you FOB. Just because you write voluminous amounts of junk doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about. To use you stupid logic, you are an object in motion and objects in motion tend to stay in motion unless an external force is applied to them. That external force is me and I will stop your stupidity. Gosh, how old are you? You are still talking about high school phyiscs and we adults here are talking about the future of our people. I couldn’t careless for the land. Weyane has a chunk of it already but we need to save our people from future dictators like you.

            I swear by anything that the way you act, you would not hesitate killing Amanuel Hidrat, Semere Andom, Hayat Adem, even me, etc. for what we stand for if you were given the power to do what you want to do just like IA. You would accuse us of being weyane sympathizers and in your eyes we should be stoned to death. Ladies and gentlemen, here is your aspiring future wannabe dictator, Mr. Tesfabirhan Weldegabir Redie.

          • Abi

            Mizan
            Please accept my apologies for missing the sarcasm. I took it literally. Blame it on my gondere blood. Always boiling .
            i don’t know how I missed it . I’m usually good in finding sarcasm. Sorry, I messed up.
            Milan
            I also read Tes’s responses to YG. Both articles about Dejen. He was encouraged by Ato Amanuel to write the articles. It was a total disaster. Never read an article aimed to disprove something and ended up supporting it.
            I’m waiting him to disprove the chauvinist Saay. I gave him 25 dog years to do it .

          • selam

            can you specify the drinks please as i am picky some times? We Eritreans will never ever give a dime to weyane for what ever reason you claim to have.You and people like you are the reason IA is staying on power . You have passed so many times though the revolving door.Still the same people . HAve you ever see a rat that want to go collect food and she is not sure if eagle is on the sky . She keep wasting time on making sure she collect the food at safest time yet she get caught by eagle.

            How many years do you need , you know you have wasted 15 years on conferences and so many air tickets to people like you

          • tes

            Dear Mizan,

            What is wrong with you if I declared my freedom from the “Never Land”? Do you want me to cry like yours and bargain Assab for two years as a reward? How disrespected individual you are? You and Semere need to be dumped in a sewage system that you will ever stay there until the last days. Even Ethiopians are kicking you. A beggar is a beggar always and has no respect for how ever beautifully he begs but you, even you don’t know how to beg.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear AOsman,

            AT knows perfectly the definition of terrorism and hence they know to whom it is applied for.

            Coming to your sentences, man, I am ok and very friendly. But I only come and apply Newton’s law when I feel that there is a flaw. And so far, no one denied my lines no matter how bitter as they are. I am sensing that an excessive Newtonian law has been applied (excessive I mean all laws of Newton) to Amanuel Hidrat and it was not my intention to use to such magnitude but I forgot that he (AH) was already in the Never Land. I should have coonsidered that. Only in that case (Amanuel’s incidence), I may be considered as a terrorist not because I applied a wrong methodology but it targeted an innocent friend that he never assumed such reaction to come from his student. Else, it is all peaceful reaction and respects all laws and hence I oppose your accusation.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Semere Andom,

            DOn’t be in a state of dispair. I know I have disturbed your political equilibrium. I am sorry for doing that but it is what it is if people make a flaw.

            Before, answering your question first of all I need to make sure what a sovereign state is in the eyes of Semere Andom. I am not a kind of person who jumps principle to anwser questions that it may be treated differently according to different principles.

            Even now, you are making it worse. Sovereignity has nothing to do with PFDJ. In fact, PFDJ is the one that he down played with Eritrean sovereignity. Therefore, don’t make any link with PFDJ and Eritrean sovereignity. PFDJ will die for good when the people of Eritrea is still alive but we as people of Eritrea will not be Eritrean people if our sovereignity is compromised. Sovereignity is temporal but political organizations are. State sovereignity can also disappear or can be considered as fake if it is compromised.

            Therefore, I want to make sure first about your definition of sovereignity. If it fake, I am also fake and hence what I say is also fake for you. It will make no sense for you as I am a fake person who lives in the fake sovereign country called Eritrea. Hence, I will wait for you first dear Semere Andom.

            tes

          • Mizaan

            Sem, please don’t waste too much time with this guy called Tes. He is like tsemam si hade derfu. Like you said he writes volumes of gibberish and makes no point. What an annoying arrogant person. His attitude has outgrown his mental abilities. His blind nationalism is worse than his secret role model.

      • Nitricc

        Greetings people of Awate!
        Mahmuday what is up? Let me help you understand the situation. Every attack towards Eritrea and Eritreans is spewed from three groups. Since we can not mention names; I will give you a metaphor that will help you understand.

        Category one!
        The dead fish group. Don’t be fooled; even dead fish swims along the stream. For the necked eye; the fish is moving but the truth is dead.
        Category two!
        The dogs group. You know; like that dog who only sees and drools and salivates on that bone in front of him but never considers and sees the stick above his head, ready to split his head in half.
        Category three!
        The hyena group; you know; the hyena that will take off as soon as you mention “beef” with out asking any direction and the whereabouts of the beef!

        Well, here you have it. you Figure it out lol

        • AOsman

          Nitricc,

          I am confused about the new rule that you are talking about, if you cannot mention names and you can call them dead fish, dogs and hyenas….how does it work :)…is toothless still allowed?

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Nitricc

            come-on AOsman; why do you want me get in to trouble? : – ) i said metaphor. sometimes you have to have fun. I think you are watching too much white people tv. lol

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Nitrikay
          I have pretty much finished assigning seats for almost everyone who thinks has exclusive Ownership Over the term ” opposition” except Gual Adem. Any suggestions where to put her? Semere is still on his envoy capacity pitching a noble idea. Well a lot has changed since you have been gone. And our birds keep chirping chapters of “smret nmntay smret…smret. ..”

          • Nitricc

            Mahmuday; I thought we were talking about Eritreans? oh well. i don’t know about her but your feriend Semere fits the analogy the dog and the bone. all he is salivating at getting the help and what follows; he has no clue. the point is there is no country who brought change from out side who lived in peace. no one and your bright and sunshine friend is insisting on getting out side help. how messed up is he?

        • Kokhob Selam

          lovely Nitricc,

          what is life without you? no meaning. Okay I am searching my space. I will find it somewhere. what will be difficult to find is you. which group do you think you are? I once said to you -I will hang and kill you – that took you days to understand -ሕንቅ ኣቢለ ክቀትለካ እየ. only then you said “this is crazy kokhob, what is remaining to kill me if he hang me already” Lol now you are killing us and then hanging us.

          • Nitricc

            Kokhob lol that one! hmmm you got me going. it took me for a while to understand what you meant.
            we had one hot argument and i was giving you a bloody nose and out of no where you said it. that was very funny.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          Oh! glad you to see you back. I got to tell you, when you were on sabbatical leave, Mahmud Saleh was attempting to do your job, he was not good at it.
          .
          Here is another attempt to get you in trouble. In the above metaphor you forgot the ANEBSSAS altogether. What is this, we don’t exist at this forum as a worthy opponent to mention.
          .
          K.H

          • Nitricc

            KH how could I blame the ANEBSSAS?
            You know what though? People thinks I hate the Ethiopians; Particularly the Tigryans. That is not true; I respect them, because they defend what is in their best interest without buts and ifs. And I disagree with them to the brim when they defend their interests at the expense of the truth. On the same token there are Eritreans that I can’t stand and respect. They do the exact opposite of the Tigryans. They Defame; degrade; humiliate and blame Eritrea and Eritreans for everything under the sun even at the cost of the very truth. For me; once you veer from the path of the truth, then, there is nothing to talk about. This is the very reason I believe the two countries let them worked it out what every problems they have before any corporations or normalizations. I know some Eritreans are pushing for Ethiopia to do the blood work so they can collect their welfare check from safe distance but I don’t think the Ethiopians are that stupid they will do anything because some coward Eritreans wants them to.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I never thought you hated Ethiopians. I could see you love Gojam and their music. I appreciate the advanced diplomatic handling of the ANBESSAS too. I imagine Mahmud Saleh is grinning from ear to ear almost equivalent to the grin he had at the recent graduation ceremony.
            .
            Truth is the operative word in your above post. Hopefully we will discuss future subjects thru that (truth filter) prism.
            .
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            KH, “Gojam and their music” you disappointed me, man! How could you skip and fail to mention the most beautiful women of Gojam? Don’t get me started. If I visit Ethiopia; I won’t even go Addis. I will fly straight to Bahr-Dar; Gojam.

    • tes

      Dear Semere A,

      I just can’t believe that you are such a master head abo guayla of Koboro-war junkie group. Forget now on your irrational analysis but you are now a totally blown-up cadre of koboro-war junkie.

      Good job!!!

      tes

      • Semere Andom

        Tes:
        God blessed Nitric: “be fruitful and multiply” and Nitriccay became fruitful and multiplied

        • tes

          Dear Semere A.,

          May God Bless Him.

          May his dream be accomplished.

          Serious talk:

          Our Martyrs paid all prices possible for not a country that will be considered as having a “fake sovereignity”.

          YG was good at least as he was only meant to erase identity. Hayat is good as she is meant only to ask Ethiopia to intervene for the sake of the demise of PFDJ journey. But people like you who are never ashamed to call a “fake-sovereignity” and people like Khalid ABdu who compromise sovereignity are among the worst individuals that I ever met parallel to PFDJ.

          PFDJ compromised Eritrean sovereignity to remain in his power. PFDJ compromised Eritrean sovereignity by arming rebel groups and intervening in other country affairs directly or indirectly. And now thanks, the opposition group are also repeating the same fatal mistake but from different angle. And people like Semere Andom are the leading champions. Even Hayat avoided your crowd, it is very strange.

          tes

    • saay7

      Selamat Cousin iSem:

      First, I have an addendum to the scenario I gave A.Osman:

      7. Ethiopia encourages DMLEK to declare an autonomous Kunamaland state;
      8. Ethiopia enocurages RSADO to declare an autonomous Afarland state.

      The two make up a coalition called DFEN (I am sure the acronym is a coincidence.)

      Ok, where were we. Oh, yes, we were spotting unicorns about how the Eritrean highlands will be treated uniformly by Ethiopia:) How is the weather in Fantasyville, Sem:) When hell breaks loose, counter-intersurgency campaigns use any “pacification” tools that works. Refer to what Ethiopia is doing in Somalia and whether it is treating all provinces equally, and we will talk.

      On the larger comparison between the two “creative” writers. All you have to ask is what if Khaled is wrong? And what if saay is wrong?

      saay

    • Fnote Selam

      Z arkey Semere,

      Got to give you credit here, you (and Gezae to some extent) have actually addressed some of the concerns I (and many Eris) have regarding involvement of Ethiopia. There are still many unanswered questions (Saay has done a good job of listing some of them) and I hope you and others will continue to discuss them openly.

      Your assertion that any institution and individual in Eri right now are part of PFDJ and thus legitimate targets for attack is border line criminal and definitely hypocritical…..you need to reconsider….

      Best,

      FS.

      • Semere Andom

        Dear FS:
        Thanks for your provocative assertions.
        But I did not say everyone is a target for attack. I did not even put attack and everyone willing or unwilling PFDJ servants in one sentence. So I am disappointed:-)
        I did not get the hypocritical part?
        If we must desist from Ethiopia and if we need armed opposition to removed PFDJ then as Emma said robbing banks without killing the people working there, casing Hospitals to get medical and equipment and medicine without killing the people becomes legitimate endeavor. The opposition’s hands should not be tied behind it and asking it to to do the impossible. One of the legacy that we must keep from Ghedli is not targeting civilians. I am clear on that and I hope you do no associate that with me again.
        Sal’s concerns on the sort of “Crimization” of Afar is valid and I have thought about it for a long time. But on the support from Ethiopia on the conditions I mentioned, I believe has been demonized, clouded by PFDJ 03 and some people buy into it. Also read on warning for the opposition on putting all the eggs on one and to prepare a backup plan.
        Again Ethiopia and special the core of EPRDF, are not angels and they are not in there for us they are there for their own survival and interest, it is up to Eritrean to really think deeply and make the utmost use of the Ethiopian opportunity, I do not understand why is this nuclear physics to some, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I was able to wrap my head around it

        • Ted

          Semere, you delebritly altered variables in to the equation of how about to bring change in Eritrea vis a vis TPLF. When yo insert your own variables to fit the result you wanted, you only have yourself to blame. The theory to be true, it has to be reproducible by others so that others may verify the findings and build upon them.. A few of many fabricated variables you inserted to reah a wrong conclusion include”

          1) the assumption the youth fleeing Eritrea to Shembela have a soft spot for TPLF( Why they would go to the country they hate)

          2) Eritrea survived at the mercy of TPLF after Ethio-Eritrea war.(Eritrean force decapitated)

          3) Eritrea was the aggressor durring Ethio-Eritrea war.(Crazy leader started it)

          4) TPLF has nothing to do with the sanction, it was Eritrea Gov fault (Alshabab support)

          5) it is PFDJ’s fault why TPLF is still in Eritreans territory.( they need to dialoge)

          6) Eritreans are incapable of defending themselves hence 2012 TPLF incursion.(they didn’t retaliate)

          7)TPLF bombed bisha for the sake of better change in Eritrea.( PFDJ money cow)

          8)TPLF have the right rob and deport whome ever they want( eye color hate)

          9)TPLF cares for Eritreans more than PFDJ(kill their own people)

          and a lot more .
          You may not be “the sharpest knife in the drawer”, but it is a sure thing, you know exactly what you are doing.

          • Semere Andom

            If you like engagement first admit and remove the outright LIES in this comment of yours

          • Ted

            Which one?

          • Semere Andom

            I am not going to do ur job for you. There are things I never said here, which means there are LIES in this 9 points, example When , where did I say 7 and much much more, we cannot debat based on lines, I will rebut them you will keep repeating them and we do “mekanke RewiH”

          • Ted

            Semere,
            7)”TPLF bombed bisha for the sake of better change in Eritrea.( PFDJ money cow)”
            You explained and legitimized the action of Ethiopia in keeping her(Ethiopia) interest or preventing (Somalized Eritrea).

            “Dear Semere A,
            Don’t be an opportunist. You can’t bless such kind of attack. In fact, it is a sign of your incapability to fight against PFDJ. Blessing other countries action is only an opportunistic approach and is full of self-denial;
            Dear Semere A, it is not whether PFDJ will respond or not, or Ethiopia is Almighty or not. It is of a sovereignity issue”

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            Semere Andom is known for his assertion of “this is a lie”. What I have learned from his over-all comments is that he is not responsible for everything he writes. He is forgetting that everybody is observing everybody. On my side, I could have listed more than 100 fatal statements written by Semere. Worse, he denies for what he writes.

            tes

          • Ted

            tes, How did he manage to forget his approval “bisha attack” is beyond me. You had a long back and forth talk with him and others like him. It was your response i put to summarize what had been said.

          • Semere Andom

            March 2015 will be rememberd as a month of the “nitriccazation” of Tes

          • tes

            Dear Semere A,;

            I have never thought to meet friends at Awate University who will tell me “Oh tes, all you have is a FAKE sovereign nation called Eritrea and why don’t you compromise it to remove PFDJ”. When, I read this line from Semere Andom, I asked myself, am I such incapable person not to see PFDJ removed by myself and align with Ethiopia to compensate my sovereignity with such hopeless people?

            Dear Semere A., I am young and still very energetic. I can continue your struggle to see a strong nation not a compromised country. If you are losing hope not to see a free country from PFDJ dictatorial system in your life time, I can only only say this, “I wish you were able to see your fruit of struggle you did against the tyranny but it didn’t materialize to give us a free nation. I am sorry to receive my country like that but as it happened, let me take the responsibility and continue your struggle. Leave it as it is. DOn’t give it to any other, don’t call it fake, don’t compromise it. Struggle sometimes takes dozzens of generations. For what ever it will take, I will continue. But no compromise, not a piece of land to be sliced. I want to keep it as such and I will fight against the dictator.”

            This is my abitaury before you say good bye. Already, Nitricc is compilling his and I will do mine too. Saying this, I wish you a good retirement time from your politics. Sorry for my Newtonian Therapy. Sometimes it happens if there is no licencer like FDA to calibrate the exact amount needed. I gave you all I had at the same time. And good-bye for good. I will see you in the next world.

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Ted,
            I have cut out your summary of my bad friend’s positional points; they could appropriately be entitled “Semere’s essentials.”
            I personally place my bad friend in a much better place than the one I found him in. Thanks to Gen.Nit, he is in a transitional phase. His stress that Eritreans should own their agenda and do the heavy lifting should be appreciated. It takes for an egg to be able to walk.He was deeply immersed in YG world, or maybe just too influenced, or similar to that.

          • Semere Andom

            Thanks Mahmud Saleh

          • Ted

            Mahmud, I always wonder why you use “bad” and “friend” in one phrase. It shows, for the reason only you know, you have not given up on him. You were looking for a faint array of hope out of him to find it in “heavy lifting”. I trust your judgement to demand what he meant by “heavy lifting”. verse TPLF’s ” light lifting” of Eritrean struggle. Hope to hear from you with the answers. Note,
            You might lose your Generals(Nit) trying to conscript the unwilling free riders.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ted
            You want to see me jumping off on to Trouble Land or NeverLand (Emman edition).
            Why I use “bad” and “friend” together? Remember, Semere’s favorite word is oxymoron. Well, there you have it. But that doesn’t tell the whole story. I find the man to be a good man I would love to have coffee with, he’s full of metaHt humor; I mean a guy, from Seraye, who spent merely 6 years in the Sudan, a country where even Tigrayet speaking people hardly use their language, retain his Tigre and still practice the way he does decades later? I will tell you, it’s an achievement that calls for recognition. Then add his Arabic mastery, then add his roles in Mahber MenEsayat, then add his visits to Hishkb and Girmayka and the tegadelti jokes he memorized (by the way, he is among the Hade klte sabat I feel comfortable joking with without the fear that my jokes might be misinterpreted), Oh yes, and then we both are HM fans (#1 fan of course is talaQu SAAY), and we both, SAAY included, do some Tigre AshekakaE if we want to do business the HGDF way (you know, behind the curtain). Well, let me just say, we do have many commonalities that make us good friends and few sticky issues that make us bad friends. So, while he is a pain in the neck for his political critiquing of EPLF, he separates himself from the YG crowds for his recognition of his revolution, its sacrifices, and the stolen ideals of Eritreans. He understands that Eritrea deserves a much better government. I do believe that too. We differ on how to make that a reality. Therefore, here we are, bad friends striving to be good friends.
            On Gen.Nit, I see a young man who is proud of his people and country. I see a man who would like to see a better government in his country, a better political arrangements; he disagrees with the ways and means some propose or pursue; I do agree with him. And it’s just personal, for a reason that I said before in this forum, he’s clicked in my mind. As you could see he’s been called names just because he said “you know, I don’t prescribe to your ways of bringing change.” He’s back now with refreshed ideas, he won’t get in trouble again, never again. Phew!!
            But seriously, I really believe the reason why we are here is because our young people have been raised not to be hopeful, thanks to PFDJ. It’s only a hopeful person who can rise and fight for the common good. It’s patriotic persons who can bring change by doing things which others not dare doing, like going the extra mile, even to the point of sacrificing their lives so that others could live better…So, let’s encourage our young people, particularly those who grew up here to know more about their country; let’s help them out but don’t try to impose our own beliefs on them. Wow! That’s quite a long Hateta.

          • Semere Andom

            Wo MaHmuday:
            I always thought Saleh Younis will write my obituary , but you are close contender if he thinks it over and says no, the obituary of cousin Sem must be written from inside 🙂
            The mastery of Arabic and Tigrayat is little bit kind, I started late in both and I have holes so much so that a friend recommended I read kid’s books when I was well into my late teens.
            Then, I had passion and everything I learned including the visits you mention are still intact
            Little bit confession for Mahmuday, do not tell this to Nit;-) in my time before athletic, clean shaven, bald head was considered sexy, girls used to love boys who were well read (muttaeliE) and who effortlessly switched from English to Arabic, to Tig and Tigrayit:-)
            Asmarino Sal, are you saying abet, abet, dorrenna, dorrenna;-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Semere,

            Saay will not only write obituary, but like what he had said in the other thread, he will use “a submarine and a tow truck just to get (you) to sea level” like that of Bin Landen. Aygermekan!!!

            regards

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            They used a helicopter to move Bin Ladens body to a carrier (ship that u can land planes/choppers in.) From there, his body was dropped to the sea. Now, according to Amanuels continuously updated funny dictionary:

            Helicopter = tow truck
            Carrier =submarine

            This is why I can’t write your obituary, iSem, because I will be busy reading Amanuels Absurdities and laughing. That’s no time to write obituaries. Besides, I am sure I am much older than you I will have been submarined by then:) You should have Nitricc do the obituary:

            Nitricc obituary of Sem:

            “Sem was many things but, mostly, he was toothless. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, tooth to the toothless, from each according to his sweat, to each according to his teeth, Awet nHafash. ”

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Semere
            Take nitrikay obituary, secure it keydengoKa, while it is fresh and available.

          • Nitricc

            SAAY; writing Semere’s obituary is the easiest task in the world. In fact, let me do it now. Since he is so great; he needs to see it while he is alive. Ready ….
            Semere Andom from 1900—-3000.
            Now you are entitled to read all you want within the “——-“ that is all; I am not implying empty! : – )

          • saay7

            Nitricc:

            Don’t mess with my cousin Semere. He is an extraordinarily accomplished man: a patriot*, a well-educated Eritrean, multi-lingual, and super-funny. It’s not his fault that he lives in Canada.

            saay

            * my definition of patriot: somebody who is entirely motivated by what he thinks is good for his country and his people. On that, iSem checks off all the boxes. And I am pretty sure almost all the opposition fits that description (toothless or toothy.) We just disagree on which road to take to get there.

          • Nitricc

            SAAY if you insisted then let me revise and say this.
            The great Tegadaly Semere Andom was martyred in Adi-Grat when he fall from back of TPLF’s Tank while heading to Asmara to get rid of PFDJ.
            RIP the great Semere Andom

            *No definition can be defined as patriot who calls another country to invade his own; Never!

          • saay7

            Nitriccay:

            Well, then, you need to read the bio Vladmir Iliych Lenin (considered the “most patriotic” Russian, ever.) He was a toothless “collaborator” of the Germans in their war with Czarist Russia in World War I and then became the toothy Bolshevik.

            saay

          • Ted

            Mahmud, “long Hateta” No, so be it. I wish i have the skill to see only good things in people like you are trying in Semere. There is a story about a farmer(Bad Friend) who had an ox asking to borrow another from his neighbor to till his Girat. A neighbor said, i know i said yes but after thinking all night, I found your bad nature out weighs the good so you can’t have my ox. I am sure he is a descent guy but has long way to go to be good friend in my Awate univeristy context. You have lowered the standard for your bad friend( Good friend hopeful) continuously to the point to say, he is not at least YG( the dirty bottom of the pit). Personly i think you are inviting yourself for big disappointment. We still are waiting to see the ins and outs of heavy lifting he going to do with TPLF.
            If things goes his way i am sure he is the one going to pay for the coffee in Godena Harinet/Tigray if you didn’t got run over by his ride/Tank.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ted Arkey
            You’re coming heavy on my bad friend. Most of the points you raised are concerns that have been identified by the great maHmuday, but as I said it’s a work in progress. This forum is tough, Ted. And then if we can’t argue with people of opposite views who are we going to argue with. The standard of course is lowered; as consensus builds on, it gets higher, and so you climb up the pyramid ‘ s ladder. As long as someone doesn’t tell me Eritrea was destined to be in this predicament and that’s because of its ” deformed identity” I’m OK to keep the conversation flowing. Another “no, no” for me is when I’m told “Eritrean people can’t do it.” In that case, I tell them ” then you have no business to talk about change. ”
            I don’t want to miss this one: Ted Arkey, Semere knows EPLF tegadelti are patient and an alliance of demokrasia and inclusiveness, (wink, wink). Regarding your concern that I might be run over by his wayanay tank, preparations have already been made. MedfaAji RPG 7, nitrikay will be there watching over me.

          • saay7

            Field Marshall Mahmuday:

            I actually think that our friend Sem A is probably the most misunderstood Awatista at our university. A lot of times that is his fault because his most memorable phrases are uttered when he is fuming mad at PFDJ. Sem A’s top hits include (a) “alliance of killers”: that the top tier of EPLF/PFDJ are killers; (b) Tihija Weyane: Ethiopia should keep Badme for safekeeping so PFDJ can’t get one day’s worth of political mileage from having it returned; bombing Bisha Mining is a net plus, it keeps the mines safe from PFDJ so they don’t use the revenues to elongate their rule); (c) there is no taboo in allying with TPLF because the EPLF had allied with it to destroy ELF.

            Driving his thinking is a sense that Eritrea as a country will cease to be a country because it is being depopulated at an alarming rate and a country, rocks, hills, rivers are useless without a people. There is a ticking clock next to Sem A and he approaches everything from the standpoint of: the longer Isaias Afwerki stays in power, the more the likelihood of the country being depopulation and the more the likelihood that he will do damage that will be irreversible. And one of those irreversible things will be the dilution of nationalism to the point of total and complete indifference (refer to his mini-reportage after Rome.)

            It is a coherent argument…but it is wrong. As Fnote Selam keeps reminding me, if we are going to show that this approach is wrong, we have to make credible arguments. I think where Sem A (and others) roll their eyes is when we say that “Eritrean people can do it because they can do it.” How? I think, you will agree with me, is that this is where we are falling short.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saa7,

            01.Help me on this . is nation really the land? can’t you own the land you want somewhere else? what is in that nationalism? since Eritrea became independent which mountain has changed to gold? is there any change anyway? what is the good thing you get after Eritrea became independent that you didn’t get when it wasn’t ? the Flag? I don’t ask this question except people like you and I don’t want others to answer to me so don’t appoint some one to reply me.
            02. answer to me this. is really Sudan a place for a fighter to start with or get logistic service of any kind? didn’t we experience when EPLF/ PFDJ kill people with help of Sudan leaders? I don’t know about you but do you think one cultured man can kill people hidden in unexpected place like in Kesela someone riding his motor cycle? can I sale ladies to kill PFDJ leadership?
            03. what is wrong to make a clear agreement with Ethiopians (aren’t elders, children and women at this moment in Ethiopia camps and towns ?) to have logistic support? don’t you think Ethiopians are suffering due to PFDJ’s dirty politics and even may destroy Eritrea now if we don’t take action ourselves?
            04. Do you really think PFDJ can be reformed? don’t you think Petros Selemon (who is paying for his crime) once up on a time try to reform and failed? will you and all those who are talking day and night be able to change PFDJ by removing IA? Do you still think PFDJ is IA?

            last but not least question
            5. are you really writing what you mean? what you believe?

            Thank you.

          • saay7

            Selamat Kokhob:

            I will start with number 3: Your approach of relying on Ethiopia (you mean Weyane) has been tried for 16 years: (the Alliance was formed in Addis in 1999.) It took Weyane 16 years of self-reliance to liberate all of Ethiopia. If you hate the EPLF that much, try to at least model our struggle after Harbeyna Weyane:). Self-reliance. Start lomi and not tsibaH*

            Cousin Sem A will answer the other questions on my behalf, which may or may not be what I believe:).

            saay

            * Anti kokhob tsiBBaH (2)
            Aytetal’lni endabelki tsibaH (2)

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selamat Saay,

            for your only one answer 5 points from me Sir,

            01, personally I didn’t participate in any party of those who try it from Ethiopia. just for your information you don’t have to go for personal attack saying “Your approach” please start with the -Idea or view.

            02. I know very well and I am sure how PFDJ works to weaken those parties specially the game played in dividing Dr. Yesuf from his comrades. from that experience the umbrella story I learn talking about umbrella is just useless and I prefer to work with responsible practical party which represents everybody. I am certain the problem is not from Ethiopian government but the useless guys who had still the narrow tendencies and who don’t have self confidence. Hey, I am not attacking single person I am talking about the groups Idea Lol !

            03. those who support PFDJ or have been with PFDJ are not willing to work for real change as they don’t want to accept their past mistakes. I hope you are not among them. “y’esterena”

            04. there is no such thing as Weyane there is Ethiopian Government .only Amhara chauvinist and Eritrea chauvinist who try to control TPLF but badly failed try to play it by calling Weyane.

            05. I was asking you kindly not to appoint some else to reply- you fail.

            Here my question No.5 is answered. you are not for what you post or you seem to be. so why make us crazy man?

          • saay7

            Selamat Kokhob:

            No wonder you get along so well with Amanuel; you have a stunning ability to misunderstand simple words and phrases and then to get offended by it. “Your approach” simply means the approach you are recommending.

            The rest, I defer to Sem A because if we you can misunderstand one phrase from one answer I can imagine how many misunderstandings you will have with the rest. And I will pass.

            saay

          • Ted

            The great maHmuday, here is our contradiction with people like Semere, they saying we do our thing and you do yours as long as we all stand against PFDJ. This assumption is wrong and has serious flaws when it comes they working with TPLF. The Eritrean people have good reason to worry fighting with PFDJ while the next door neighbor is ready waiting for a jugular. Will Semere and co come to our defense, don’t count on it(oops is their word). Great maHmuday, take semere under wing to the fight of the people who has more guns than citizens. You can do it with your wealth of patience Democrasia and inclusiveness.

          • Nitricc

            Ted, Semere has no new idea his own. He is repeating what his master YG was saying few years back. That the thing my issue Semere. He loves YG and the dead and outdated ideology and he is bombarding us here with same pathetic idea. If it was new and fresh idea by Semere from Semere; no problem! but the same same asame bullcrap of YG makes me throw up. So, just be advised Semere is die hard YG servant. Just you know.

          • Ted

            Nitricc, i will forward this to the great MS.

          • Nitricc

            Ted, i am outraged you questioning Semere’s impeccable IQ. how dare you? lol.

            he believes there is free help.

            imagine; what the TPLF do or say if they help Semere to get rid of PFDJ.

            this what they say when WE HELP them get to 4killo.

            “”We look at this from the viewpoint of the interests of Tigrey, first, and then Ethiopia as a whole. We know that Tigrey needs access to the sea and the only way is through Eritrea …. There are many Tigreans in Eritrea ….. They don’t want to be treated as foreigners there … They have the same history. We are worried about Eritrea because we are not sure that differences among different groups can be kept under control”. (Paul B. Henze, Conversations with Meles Zenawi, J3 26/002/92/3 31 March/ 1 April 1990).””

          • Ted

            Nitricc, It is not me questioning his IQ, he is patronizing us saying he is dumb but you people who oppose my view are even dumber. Go figure.

            ” I do not understand why is this nuclear physics to some, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I was able to wrap my head around it”

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Semere,

          Regarding people serving under PFDJ and they being targets, the feeling I got from reading many of your comments is that they are legitimate targets. I apologize for misunderstanding your position. The hypocritical part is related to people (I guess this doesn’t apply to you?) in this forum and other stages equating just about every ‘mistake’ EPLF did as criminal act of some sort that has never been done by anyone else, but now there was an attack on a civilian institution (that benefits PFDJ), there was rush to gleefully rationalize it. That is hypocrisy.

          Regarding Afar, like other ethnic groups in Eritrea, they paid dearly for independent Eritrea and tried every thing on their part to keep the country together. So, my position is that every ethnic group in Eritrea has earned every right to go their separate ways if they choose to. My only hope is that we do it in less destructive and more amicable way.

          As I said the support from Ethiopia on the conditions you mentioned is actually quite tenable (for both countries), but again I have disagree on you description that it is being demonized by PFDJ03. Beyond PFDJ, there are important concerns and many of them are not related to EPRDF leadership.

          Best,

          FS.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi FS:
            About Afar, well, if they separate it is because PFDJ let them down as it did all of us. I think keeping Eritrea together is crucial and the sooner PFDJ is removed the easier it will be to do so. and that is why it is urgent. If Eritrea is fragmented then it was all in vain. It is also my believe that is the agenda of EPLF/PFDJ to undo Eritrea by using fervor of the yearning of independence. Please do not be tempted to ask me to prove my theory, you got to wait for my book that I will author with my cousin Sal 🙂
            To put it bluntly, EPLF was not fighting for the independence or Eritrea, but it employed selfless independence freedom fighters—the tegadalti to do so

  • Saleh Johar

    Dear Gonbel,

    I hope we have not reached a level where words like “attack” are not enough? We do not have to give it a political charged brand. If that is the case, all the armies of the world should be called “the agents of terror” because basically, that is what they–starting from the uniforms, the way they are trained to walk and look at you–to command respect and terrorize you to submission. But could we call all armies terrorists and be considered sane? Not at all.

    A man was sick and in hospital. After he was realized, he went to Eritrea for a vacation. His mother asked him “kemey ;eyu geruka zwedei?” He gave her some long latinized name for his ailment. After a long explanation, “anta wedey, kulitey Hamime zeytebleni?”

    There are many words we can use Gonbel

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Abu Saleh,

      I am Afraid these guys will tell us that, the act of guerrilla fighters by ELF and EPLF, destroying infrastructure like bridges, storming banks to take money deposits, storming schools to take school materials, dismantling rails to halt public transport and commerce, storming hospitals to take medicines and medical equipments was terrorist act. Can we call them the fifth columnist inside the opposition? If Issayas and his PFDJ are the enemy of our people, you take all the actions that cripple his regime, knowing there will be always collateral damage against our people. When we fought Derg, it doesn’t mean there weren’t collateral damage. Indeed they were. These people, they will oppose any action against the regimes economic resources to the end, as far as they haven’t cut their umbilical cord with the regime.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hello, Amanuel
        I am here, it’s me; call me whatever you choose to brother. Don’t say “these guys,” I am the one saying “deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure” is a terrorist act. Pay attention to the “word “deliberate.” Collateral is different, don’t mix it. So, if you want to call me a 5th columnist, go ahead. All it shows is SAAYs description of you was correct. Indeed, you are showing us your contradictory character. You play the reconciliatory, the bridge maker, the wise adviser for mature political discourse, yet before the ink of your article dries up you solicit for painting me a fifth columnist!

        • Kokhob Selam

          Habibi ana Mahmuday or wedi Saleh, what is up ? slow man. we are not used to this type of comment from you.

          If this is Mahmuday the great I am sure he will come with long analyzed well balanced debate. come once again when you are the real Mahmuday that we all love.

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Amanuel H.

        I think you crossed some red lines in this comment. Storming hospitals and clinics, disrupting public transport through dismantling the same, bringing down bridges that have no military significance etc is not an acceptable mode of resistance. You name it whatever you want but it shouldn’t be part of any popular movement that puts public interests at their hearts. “Struggle by any means” is not the right means to bring about change anywhere. One has to make sure that the process of liberating the people shouldn’t leave them same people interfered, their social services hampered.

  • fahdil

    first of all for ertrea to continue as a state it have to respect the 7 pillars of democracy and it have to engage in more constructive friendship with neighbours as we all know isayas is now maniac and in abnormal mental health. as some unrealistic folks talking here if we attack ethiopia the very existence of our country is at stake ethiopia is a country of 90000000 and some comic guys say we are like israel and….. the fact is ertrea have no technological priority on any other country as a muslim i feel completely unsatisfied with the current regime and his engagment with gangs of the area so we have to stop one crazy guy from dumping our country or someone have to stop him whoever they are adios

  • Daniel Berhane

    @mahmud_saleh:disqus
    If you’re certain that “Ethiopian jets did not enter Eritrean airspace”; shouldn’t that have been the headline?

    More importantly, what’s your take on the other target?

  • T..T.

    Looking for any official statements released, I stumbled over the source. From the structure of the statement’s language, I still believe that the statement is an official Isayas’s government statement. I also believe that it is a normal practice not to mention the name of the official if that official is referred to by title.

    Every pro-Isayas Eritrean would concede that the failure on the part of Isayas’s government not to make statements at a time like this, confirmed that Isayas was really facing a looming paralysis of the system. His pros have right to raise questions of confidence on whether the government is strong enough to defend them. No one is out there to answer such a question other than a statement of clarification or a statement of rest assured at the time of need.

    Many of the true opposition members well-received and absorbed the news, which news you called a mere propaganda. Yes, the opposition members absorbed it without doubt and yet they are worried by the worsening weaknesses and near-death status of Isayas’s government lest it not send the country from the so called ‘no war, no peace’ to ‘no government, no peace’.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Here is a question to those Eritrean opposition groups who’ve been
    active in Ethiopia at least since the outbreak of the last war between
    the two countries: What kind of help have you got from the Ethiopian
    government that would strengthen your struggle against dictatorship in
    Eritrea, apart from the obvious fact that you’ve been given a venue
    where to hold your meetings and conferences through the years, as well
    as the possibility to reach out to the tens of thousands of Eritreans
    who’re languishinng in the refugee camps of northern Ethiopia? Have you
    ever conducted an evaluation of the role of Ethiopia in advancing, or
    possibly harming your cause for change in Eritrea? I expect people like
    Amanuel Hidrat who’ve been actively participating in the processes in
    Ethiopia, and who’ve expressed their desire to use Ethiopia as the
    launching pad for their struggle against the PFDJ to share their
    experiences with us.

  • Ted

    Semere Andom, Which one is it? a Unionist agenda, a solution for our ‘fake sovereignty” or you intend a “real sovereignty” by removing PFDJ. If the former is the case apology is in order, there is no place other than Ethiopia for you to be in. While you are there why don’t you represent Eritrea in Ethiopia parliament Election.
    You live in a strange cocoon.

  • T. Kifle

    Hi Berhe T.

    “What really changed in 5 years that have changed the results so dramatically? ??

    As you rightly said, the opposition won all the seats of Addis Ababa(and about 170 seats overall). They refused taking the responsibility on the condition that unless they took up the votes in entirety. They thought Addis was too small a constituency for grandeur they were know for. So instead of assuming power in the city, they declared civil disobedience to unseat a government unconstitutionally conniving with the European Election Observer leader Anna Gomez and some invisible hands by arm-twisting the government. They knew they couldn’t get the majority vote because they didn’t even contest in over 130 seats because they couldn’t fill in candidates. But being encouraged by the Europeans they dreamed beyond their actual size and paid the price. Finally, the opposition themselves were divided on whether they should enter or boycott the parliament and those who voted for boycott overwhelmed the others, resulting in disintegration of the CUD umbrella and its tactical alliance lead by Prof. Beyene Petros. Lidatu Ayalew challenged them saying that they were carried away by the results they didn’t except to begin with and with the insinuation of the Europeans to stand by their side, they decided to claim they won all the seats. Lidetu, the most astute politician in the opposition, had already written books on that account and he is the opinion that CUD couldn’t ever closer to the numbers. Now what has changed since then?

    Well, many things. EPRDF introduced many changes almost in every sector, increased public participation on decision making specially at the lower administration levels,scored consecutive record growth, created millions of jobs through public spending, relatively increased investment both domestic and FDI, effecive management of projects in the energy and road infrastructure etc. Above all, it was a period where Ethiopians started gaining confidence and believe in themselves that their is indeed a light at the end of the tunnel. The other important factor was the decision of CUD leaders to boycott the parliament, their refusal to take up the city administration enraged the electorate and wanted to punish them through their cards. So, as far as EPRDF continues doing what has been doing since that fateful election year while exacting proportional measures on corruption, the majority of Ethiopians will continue voting for them. Many people have also come to their senses as it is glaringly visible that the opposition is worst when it comes to democracy and accommodating varying opinions and the diversity we are known for.

  • S.Tesfa

    Listen to the latest comment by the PM of Ethiopia on the alleged attack on Eritrea’s mining at 1:04:30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2245&v=cBXXzNqQNB4

    ክቡር ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር ኃይለማርያም ደሳለኝ በወቅታዊ ጉዳዩች ላይ የሰጡት ጋዜጣዊ መግለጫ መጋቢት18/2007

    • The PM chose to answer with a sort of a riddle. He did not say yes or no. It seems that both governments want to keep people in suspense. If Ethiopia has done it, why should she accept it, as long as the opposite side is saying nothing about it. If she has done nothing, she does not see it as a topic for discussion. It seems that only the Eritrean government can solve the riddle. The million-dollar question
      is why the Eritrean government is silent on the subject.

      • Haile WM

        the point is: why ethiopian gov. would be silent if the attack was from it’s air force? for sure an attack on a sovereign nation would have being at least motivated by official explanation of the intended target and outcome.

        On the other hand we know for sure something happened. PFDJ true to it’s tradition, didn’t say a thing. the only certain information came as nevsun news update of “an act of vandalism”. Now we hear that actually it was a “bomb planted” from a “Bronwyn Bruton” a researcher who returned from eritrea.

        something is cooking but the chef id not emmama Ithiobia.

      • S.Tesfa

        Even if the PM gave a “deliberate” vague answer to the question of whether Ethiopia have any involvement on the alleged “bombing” of Bisha Mining and/or military depot around Asmara, something had happened which the PFDJ government don’t want the Eritrean people to know – most probably an attack from opposition groups?!.
        If it is the later, I assume PFDJ cadres would be busy covering up any evidence of such attack by opposition armed groups because such an attack, on such infrastructure and with such magnitude(?) would send a very strong signal about the struggle against the PFDJ.
        As Haile WM put it,
        Something is COOKING.
        Regards

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Horizon;
        Whoever committed it, and we know it’s not Ethiopian jets, committed and act of terrorism, period. You would be up condemning such acts on civilian Ethiopian targets, why don’t you simply condemn it? Any act of sabotage targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure should be condemned. I am sure Ethiopia won’t play with fire, because, thanks to hzbawi wayane Harnet Tigray (Ehmmm), its soft targets are growing in number.
        So, stop your rationalization of the past week and be the man you are. Condemn any act of sabotaging targeting civilian infrastructure, be it in Ethiopia or Eritrea. God bless the Horn!

        • Hayat Adem

          Mahmuday,
          I want you to smooth up your ruffled feathers. You said the attack is not from the Ethiopian jets. You also accepted AT’s analytic judgement as the most sensible likelihood, meaning, an act of some kind of disgruntled units from the Eritrean Defense Forces. In the past, you told us you support a reform within, most likely from the army. Why are shaking hard Horizon’s chest for words of condemnation?
          Hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Gual Adem
            Because Mahmud is my good friend let me opine on his behalf;
            Because Bisha is a civilian operation , a God bestowed wealth to Eritreans that is lifting the lives of many poor people and is funding roads, dams, schools and EDF to shield the country’s sovereignty from opposition who one day dream to get a ride on TPLF tanks and endanger our hard won independence.
            Ethiopia or any group to attack any people owned property like the Bisha must be condemned by Ethiopians, Eritreans and full Dedebitans and half Dedebitans alike. In short must be condemned by any human that has a life in him. Simple

          • Hayat Adem

            Sem/Mamuday,
            Mahmuday’s world is an interestingly complicated world. He is showing us multiple possibilities to an impossibility. Not just that you can have your cake and eat it, you can have others eat it for you and sell it, too. Mahmuday doesn’t want Bisha to be bombed. Especially, he doesn’t want the Ethiopians to bomb it. And he doesn’t believe the Ethiopians bombed it. But he wants them to be condemned and he wants them to be condemned by Ethiopians.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Gual Adem And semere
            I know, you guys miss Gen.Nit. I have become an alternate target.
            First Sem: Gual Adem is copyrighted. I’m the only person that uses it. That’s if I am in Mahmuday mood. If I am in wedi-Saleh mood, you know what I use.
            Gual Adem:
            I prepared my kit, but could not find a feather that needed a job done on it. The Ethiopian part of the equation is clear, I think. On the ” What if it was done by disgruntled EDF members, did not you support a change facilitated by EDF?” QUESTION, I never said exclusively by EDF. In fact, I agreed with Amanuel Hidrat on the role of an army on effecting change due to inherent interest in monopolizing power; and I remember dissenting from talaqu SAAY on the coup stuff. I do believe on empowering domestic forces (don’t rule out the existence of concerned citizens who are trying to build an inertia by networking potential candidates, be it EDF, police, civil servants, students…and diaspora. I don’t even oppose opposition coming from the south provided they don’t want to make it through hitchhiking (you know what I am going to say). Let me make it clear: as long as there is an Eritrean political force that garners the legitimacy of substituting PFDJ, by default it has the legitimacy to own its agenda and hence has the weight to uphold national interests and by the same token, it has the appeal to rally Eritreans and quieten anxieties. This kind of force has the potential of liberating some quarters of Eritrea and holding on them as their bases. I have no doubt the time of PFDJ unravelling would be quick, and we would have a united vanguard which could facilitate the transition. I will support this type of force no matter where its rear headquarters are.The problem has been on building such a united force strong enough to tilt the balance, a force that gains the legitimacy to undertake the business of either doing the change or forcing the government to talk for change. What I’m frustrated with is your Hayat Inc. approach that since “Eritrean people have refused to follow us, why don’t we follow Emamachen wede Asmarachen”.

        • Dear Mahmud Saleh,

          I was expecting a direct answer from the PM of Ethiopia, because the news was hanging in the air
          for so long and demanded a clarification, and that did not happen. Who else is there then who can enlighten us, than the Eritrean government?
          I condemn any act that takes the two countries a step towards war, whether that is bombing a civilian target or refusing to return an Ethiopian property, like the MI35
          helicopter, flown to Eritrea by a person who wanted to hurt Ethiopia, or hosting armed groups in both countries. Both countries have chosen a stalemate,
          and any sort of provocation is going to bring a counter reaction for whatever Eritrea would do that would affect Ethiopia negatively, and both should therefore refrain from any action that would bring a reaction. I do not rationalize what Eritrea and Ethiopia are doing to hurt each other, and we should condemn in a non-biased
          way both sides, whenever they take the two countries nearer to another war.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Horizon

            First of all write off your MI35 as a possible cause that might justify Ethiopian air strike; you’re thinking of the guys in Addis Ababa as teenagers high in testosterone. If you think they could strike another country every time a helicopter elopes, then we are doomed my friend. Also to remind you:

            a/this is not the first time Ethiopians piloted their jets to neighboring countries and it won’t be the last time.

            b/ The helicopter matter is left for international laws and relations existing between the two countries. I don’t think PMDH will waste an hour’s sleep because of this.

            The second part is this, which I think is a legit point: ” Who else is there then who can enlighten us, than the Eritrean government”
            Yes, in a normal situation, and I mean if we think of a normal government in Asmara, you would read/hear something like this from official outlets: That there has been an incident (bombing or otherwise; different agencies have a standing policy in addressing this type of occurrences), mention date and time, place; if it’s of a known origin, mention the culprit, if not just say that it’s under investigation. In this case though, instead of hearing it from the government, we hear it from a tourist, and worse, a government affiliated website headlines as though an official stated something, but then switches to what a tourist and ESAT had reported. That’s regarding the Bisha case.
            In general though, we both do agree that anything targeting civilian installations or civilians should be condemned. Once you support one incident then you will not be able to condemn another one. Say, if you rationalize the bombing of Bisha, are you going to give to whoever might blow up something in Ethiopia the benefit of the doubt? Therefore, brother, keep this stand firmly. The region is full of groups who have their hands on explosives, some known others lurking in the background. It’s every responsible person’s duty to draw a line in the sand. I personally condemn the use of each country’s territory in order to destabilize its neighbor. This has been my longstanding position.

          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,
            “Write off your MI35”. No, Ethiopia will never do that. The guys in Addis are not testosterone-loaded teenagers, nor are they inept or castrated, incapable of defending the national interest of their country. If you have a neighbor that has become the Bermuda triangle and a dealer in stolen things, what would you do, beg him all the time? His track record shows that he is always with the wrong people (Al Shabab, G7 etc in this case). He facilitated the killing of five innocent foreign tourists, masterminded a mission to blow the headquarters of the AU that fortunately failed, he says
            that he is a declared enemy and hopes to disintegrate Ethiopia, what do you do when he provokes you to that extent, handle him with a glove and beg him? MI35 is
            part of the equation and you cannot write it off. There is no double standard.

            In my opinion, peace is not to do injustice to the just, and it is not meant to flatter criminals and spoilers, who do not understand the value of peace. I am not a saint ready to turn the other cheek. One does not seek peace, because one is afraid of war, but because peace is natural, logical and should be part of human nature. The regime in Asmara does not seem to understand this. You exhaust all the possibilities to avoid war, and you fail. If you are forced to untie the Gordian knot, sometimes you do it the Alexander the Great way, cut the knot with a sword. The Ethiopian government has said it will be an eye for an eye, and that is going to be the case if the regime does not choose the way of peace. What did Ethiopia gain for working hard for peace after 1991? She got the war of aggression by DIA of 1998. He who lives with the law of the jungle will be under the law of the jungle. It takes two to tango, and it takes more than two to bring peace. DIA cannot have his cake and eat it too. If you call this rationalization of the air strike against the coffer of the regime (of course, not lamented by many Eritreans), then I can say nothing, as you are rationalizing the hijacking of the MI35, by telling Ethiopia to demand for it through a toothless international organization. One should not give selective justice.

            Is Ethiopia in danger of a terrorist act? A lot. She has seen it in the past, and she will feel it in the future, especially when rogue governments bankroll terrorists. Let us therefore agree on one general principle, without being selective in our justification of facts. STOP ALL SORTS OF PROVOCATION, OPEN A NEW CHAPTER FOR PEACE & COOPERATION, UNCHAIN
            THE PEOPLE and let them GET OUT OF THIS QUAGMIRE. It will save them decades of pain and misery. The name of the game should not be “you either win all or lose all”. If so, it will be a disaster.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Horizon

            You know what PMMZ said to guys like you? He told them to go do it. So, ato Horizon, if you want to march northward, you don’t need my permission. But I can assure you the Ethiopian government’s policy is not going to pivot on deserting pilots. You said so many things for me to summarize… you keep repeating “stealing…hijacking…” Really? You’re trying to convince people in this forum that Eritreans stole or hijacked that helicopter? Please.

            On the rest, I will just tell you, I observe the region and particularly Ethio-Eritrean politics closely, be it domestic or bilateral. I don’t buy the garbage Addis Ababa fumes to make Eritrea a scapegoat of every excuses it makes. Both countries host myriads of assortments of groups, and incidentally, those groups on both sides have not grown up. Why? Because both peoples seem to have concluded they are not representative of their choices.
            When I exchange views with you, it’s on the belief that we both are private citizens. You said, “The name of the game should not be ‘you either win all or lose all’. If so, it will be a disaster,” and I concur with you here. If you followed my postings on this specific subject, I tend to highlight this point.

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          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,
            What did we gain by marching north and south? Only destructive wars. The most important thing is not to repeat past mistakes by actions that could jeopardize peace. This should be the policy of both countries.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Horizon
            I just mentioned it because I thought you were a bit up to that mood. Believe me, if it was up to politicians, I would be the last person to have a positive attitude towards Ethiopia. But time goes on, and we grow up. I find the Ethiopian people to be decent and peace loving, thanks to diaspora life. So, when I say Ethiopia, try to understand it within the context I am commenting on. I am usually referring to a specific government policy and not to the state of Ethiopia or its people. Peace will prevail.

        • Amde

          Et tu Mahmud,

          Terrorism?

          Come on. Lets be easy in the language. Wikipedia’s first definition is that it is a violent act intended to create fear.

          Whoever it is, they did it with the intent of attacking an economic target. So, a violent act intended to deny the availability of financial resources to the opponent.

          That is a well established practice in regular or guerilla war. I am not supporting war, just saying that the overuse of the terrorism charge makes it an irrelevant word.

          Amde

          • Semere Andom

            HI Amde, the label is deja vu as the Forto incident was also described as terrorist act and many PFDJ members mostly Muslims if not all were arrested, same same but different said Sal once. If Ethiopia has done it, it will be TPLF, minority government but the alarming thing is that smart people like Mahmud amplify it by repeating it

          • saay7

            ISem:

            i can’t believe you missed on your opportunity to tell Mahmuday “Baboor Yeegebeyka!” (Train: you are headed the wrong way!) This is surreal though: you are in Canada, which listed the EPLF a terrorist organization to the extent it denied Eritreas FM, Osman Saleh, entry visa to Canada. And you are telling Mahmouday “ageb” for defining this as a terrorist act. Because he shouldn’t have (a terrorist as Amde explained is someone who deliberately targets civilians to create fear) and no scenario of Bisha under discussion comes close to that. But PS Canada sucks for listing ELF, EPLF and TPLF as terrorist organizations because all three went to great lengths to avoid targeting civilians. I expect you to get together with some weyane friends form a committee to rectify this. That will be your people to people assignment.

            saay

        • Saleh Johar

          Mahmuday!
          I am surprised you would use the despicable “terrorism” so carelessly. It has crippled so many people and destroyed so many countries. And I didn’t expect you to ride that bandwagon.

          Now that you expressed your feeling, would you consider the culprits terrorists if they belonged to the natives on the area who were uprooted and their ancestral graves desecrated to make room for the company, without getting any recognition or compensation? Would you call them terrorists if they were second and third generation refugees from Ad Ibrahim and surrounding, the natives of the area? Would you consider them terrorists if they belong to the EDF?

          • Semere Andom

            HiSaleh:
            This is one of the comments I whish I wrote it. Wedi-Saleh, your turn!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Atos SGJ & Made

            * We agree that there is no universally accepted definition of the term “terrorism” or what constitutes a terrorist act. Different countries define it pertinent to their domestic challenges and their international obligation in keeping peace. Therefore the use of the term is fraught with pitfalls; simply because there is no indisputable conventional use. The maxim that says a terrorist for some could be a liberator for others is true. EPLF, ELF, TPLF, PLO…

            Yaser Arafat was a terrorist in many quarters of the world, but for many third world people he was a liberation fighter. Eritrean liberation organizations and TPLF were labeled terrorists.

            **Although there are slightly different definitions, there are certain commonalities.

            An act to be a terrorist act:

            a/ it’s a violence conducted by subnational or non state agents

            b/ it’s politically motivated, aiming at the government to disrupt it from delivering its functions/ or coercing it to change policies using violence.

            c/ targeting civilians and their properties in order to create mass casualties or done in order to create intimidation and fear

            http://www.azdema.gov/museum/famousbattles/pdf/Terrorism%20Definitions%20072809.pdf
            Even in one government you will have different definitions:
            http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92340

            *** I am not an expert at this, and I am willing to listen to any one who can enlighten me. But the following was running in my head when I said that.

            1. The part that has been reported damaged has the potential of causing an environmental catastrophe; it’s where the part where the cyanide contaminated residue of the mining process is decontaminated (please listen to radio assenna; I will link it up here)

            http://assenna.com/voice-of-assenna-online-bisha-gold-mining-the-consequences-beyond-politics-intv-with-fmr-bisha-expert/
            2. I understand communities have the right to benefit from their ancestral lands, but the law of the land states that land belongs to the government. Therefore, the logical way would be to change that law by changing the political statuesque in the country. That’s what everyone of us is talking about. Targeting installations of civilian nature takes us down to a slippery slope. What if Communities around Dbarwa think the dam over there is not worth of the land the government appropriated from them and blow it? What if some group thinks such and such a bridge is also been used by the government/army and blows it; the ports; Sawa Camp which occupies a vast cultivatable land that belongs to the same communities that are affected by Bisha, it may seem a legitimate target, but how about the conscripts and the students and thousands of civilians? Where do you put the delineation between this civilian infrastructure is legit and that’s not? I may be politically naïve…but many questions come to my mind.
            3. Regarding the communities Ustaz Saleh mentioned, both Saleh and I know the area very well. In addition, I was affected by the same barbaric policies of HS that had decimated lowland villages. Ethnically, the population belongs to me. Having recognized the right of oppressed people to resist the oppressor in ways that suit them, yet I will not rash at applauding the sabotage that took place in Bisha as something legitimate or even something that has been committed by those communities. We don’t know who committed it; in that case, giving generally accepted statements did not go too far. Bisha and other mines are today run by a totalitarian government; tomorrow, they will be assets of the new government. Regardless how despicable the government is, how secretive its financial dealings are; or how unforthcoming it is regarding how it allocates those national resources, those infrastructures will be springboard for future Eritrea. If there are forces that want to challenge the government, the field is wide open.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ato Mahmuday,
            Slow down with the English lessons 🙂 We know what a terrorist means in the dictionary, so repeating all of that sounds a bit condescending. The context you used it in is the same abused use. Do you know that me and you are terrorists according to Canadian Law because we were part of the armed struggle? Imagine who is left? Kalaay t’Ezebto gberelu da’a 🙂

            2. Law of the land? Haile Sellasie has law of the land and Eritreans chose to face injustice with the power of the gun–you one of them. You were not a terrorist, I think, though you were branded ashebaari, wenbedie, etc. Changing the law of an oppressive regime is mostly done through violence (Sunnet alHayat) –are you suggesting that Eritreans bow to the prevailing laws (in fact proclamations) of PFDJ because “it is the law of the land”?

            On rushing: I did not applaud it but I never condemned it. On the contrary, you condemned it, outright–you called it a terrorist act! …and that is my objection.

            Cheers

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ya abu adal
            What am I going to do now Saleh? You dismissed my generous Hateta as condescending, and yet you repeated the same with regard to the application of that term (Canada’s example), which by the way, reinforces my take that the term is full of pitfalls and confusion.
            On # 2. I said the shortest and legit way is changing those laws by installing a government that prepares the nation for a new era where all stakeholders are heard. If you think that could be done through bombing of Bisha and other similar targets of civilian nature, state it so. I gave the examples of dams, bridges, ports …I call the deliberate target of these installations as a terrorist act, simply because it causes fear in civilians and the disruption of services to civilians. Now, the ball is in your court. If you may, please tell us your position.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            As you described it rightfully, the proclamations done by PFDJ are what we are all upto now. But the question comes, how can we chnage such unlawfull of a kind terroristic proclamations? PFDJ is numbre one terrorist for the Eritrean people. He terrorized our people through his proclamations, actions and extreme zero tolerance policies.

            I thank AT for concluding their Gedab News by saying, “What happened on March 20, 2015 is likely a continuation of what happened on March 13, 2015, the one advertised by ENSF.” The probabilty of such actions against PFDJ advantaged infrastructures is highly to be taken by Eritreans themselves and needs to be endorsed.

            What I appreciated your take is on the permanent environmental damage that it may be caused by such actions. Here, actions taken should not have a damage beyond the intended purpose. I really appreciate your concern if it is far away from its political naivity.

            Equally, I also reject your statements regarding targets of civil infrastructures. Mining resources like what we have now are non-renewable. Keeping them where they are is good decision if today they are not giving benefit to those who are really expected to be benefitted.

            In the summer of 1998, I was in Mogoraib (a place where now the residence of the miners is located), near Adi-Ibrhim (where the mining plant is installed. I lived among the Hidareb people for almost 50 days. It was such a vast resourceful area with many river tributaries that feed to river barka. The ground water resource is very rich and good banana plantations were around the down-streams.

            The people of Adi-Ibrhim knew that they are living in the gold area. And especially the the small elevated mountain that is clearly visible standing from its surrounding is well known for its unexploited resources. Some plants were there running to produce lime. There were also some caves that were excavated by traditional gold miners. Above all, the Italians just stopped the railway line around Bisha. This tells us the hidden treasuries awaiting to the people. During the war time, Adi-Ibrhim was burned by the Ethiopian invaders and it was left barren land till independence day. after independence, Adi-Ibrhim was re-built and has some basic services.

            But the people were not allowed to continue their traditional mining activity. They were prohibited to go around the mountain and a security guard was around that even I witnessed by myself at that time. And after the mining activity started, the people of Adi-Ibrhim must have displaced and moved either to Mogoraib, Akordet, Tekreret or Keru.

            I am bringing this to tell you that the Bisha mining is non-civilian. It is purely a grabbed resource from the people who owns it.

            If now some action is taken to stop such activities, it will only give advantage for future generation if conducive policies are laid in which the people who owns it are benefitted. To do this, there are a number of means and I believe what has being taken is a right thing if it is done in the right way.

            Concerning the actors who did this, the one who opposes such actions will call it what ever he wants. But for the doer, it is a holy action. And hence I fully endorse such actions targeting for economic infrastructures that benefit only the regime.

            No need to remind you but I oppose if it is done by other country. If Eritreans think that it is the means to dismantle PFDJ, let it be. This is what I call “by all means”. The all means approach is fully of Eritrean motivated action.

            Therefore, labeling such acts as “terrorism” is known from which dimension it comes from. I believe that you are not from that group and using such terms is against what you are fighting for. as SJ, said, we the justice seekers are also terrorists by the definition of PFDJ, whether we use force or words. They are equally waited by PFDJ for his own advantage.

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes,
            Thank you tes for the information. I understand my opinion holds no weight on those who make the decision. I also understand that each targeted civilian infrastructure holds different significance for the agent targeting it than the significance noninvolved citizens assign to it. At the end some will call it terrorism others “collateral damage for a greater common cause.” I do also understand that actors are who they call themselves and not necessarily what others call them. We were called terrorists for decades but at the end we were recognized as a nation.
            At this point in time where we have no representative resistance force which we give the tacit support to make judgment on our behalf in assigning what constitutes a legitimate target and what’s not (where individuals and factions will act in a disorganized faction),I believe it’s crucial to underline the fact that targeting infrastructure of civilian nature deliberately is a crime. Once opponents take shape and battle lines become clear, there will be rules of engagement and decision making hierarchy that will solve those problems: what’s legitimate and what’s not, what’s a direct target and what could be a collateral, whether the impact expected by carrying out a certain target justifies the collateral damage it costs, etc. When those decisions are done by entities which are known (like in the EPLF/ELF/TPLF), they were done by fronts the people gave consent (expressed through direct role by joining them, or implied through their indirect support) to do those decisions. They are done everywhere in the world. At the end the question is about legitimacy. Don’t forget once these types of acts take root, there is no way of separating them which one is which; we don’t even know who did them.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            I agree with you fully. For example, when ever I write hard statements, I always state below my responsibility. This indicates I am responsible for every consequence that it will follow after. This is my individual approach and concerning organized opposition and a legitimate force, I agree with you and in fact I could have agreed with Semere Andom too if he didn’t attach the sentence that made him as koboro-war junkie (Fake Sovereignity). We the oppsoition should form a responsible group who will be responsible for his acts. if tomorrow question arises, he must be there to be questioned.

            The above paragraph is just in support of your statements.

            This being the fact, then what can we done till we reach that level. Legitimacy is not a one-day achievemets.There must be a force that will be avaulated through his acts as a legitimate one. Actions, responsibilities and dedication are what some of the factors that make one as a legitimate one. For example, ELF and EPLF were considered as a legitimate representatives of the Eritrean people. To reach that level, you know more than anybody here in this form what courses were followed. And today, we are in the building process of legitimacy. PFDJ terribly failed as a legitimate people’s representative though he is still covered under the name of Eritrean Government to be a legitimate power.

            I believe that Eritrea as a sovereign country has a legitimate government by default and this legitimacy is known throughout the world. But for us, as Eritreans, we know the composition of the Eritrean government. We all know the fox that is hiding under the skin of the Eritrean government. It is the PFDJ. It is from this dimension that I always mention PFDJ to make sure that I am not touching the Eritrean Government. I believe that we have a government that is hijacked and underful control of illegitimate dictatorial regime. Once we remove this regime, the Eritrean government will be alive again and our sovereignity will be untouched as it is.

            Therefore, fighting with PFDJ is different from fighting with the so-called Eritrean government. PFDJ has deceived us for so long time as if he is the same with government. Government is a composition of responsible and legitimate representatives of the people. But PFDJ represents no one except himself and hence is an illegitimate front within a legitimate government. I believe that PFDJ will go for good but the government of Eritrea. We will have time in which we may not the word PFDJ but the government of Eritrea will be there for ever as far as the state sovereignity is compromised by hopeless people for their own power hungry agenda like Khalid Abdu and Semere Andom.

            Dear Mahmud, we need to filter our political discourses. I appreciate your take and dedication. No matter how I oppose your principle, no matter how I wish not to see you as such, I believe people with different views is good for Eritrea. It is because of such heated debate that we do here at awate that the political consciousness is rising from time to time. For this, I never tried to converge diiferent political views but to treat them as they are and fight with them. The heat created during such friction is what the good contribution to the people is. I believe that we will have wise people who can take wisdom from such heated debate and apply the good ones in our country.

            To recap, word matter and the way we use them affects our take. I could not have gone to such critical criticism to AH’s recent article had he not constantly dragged us into the so called childhood politics or to the so called Never Land. I reacted to make sure that such political landscapes are there as long as we are not able to come out from them.

            Finally, it is upto us to accept one as a legitimate one or not, and much better to build a legitimate opposition force. PFDJ is illegitimate in a legitimate government of Eritrea. Differentiating this two will be good for all of us. And I know your take is always for the legitimate Eritrean government. but I would like to tell you that it is not the government that you and your comrades dreamt to have. I am quite confident that you have never dreamt to see a front called PFDJ but a state of Eritrea with its own government. Even I am quite sure you never doubt about the democratic nature of the supposed Eritrean Government and it is all because of PFDJ junta, an irresponsible, equivalent to Nazi full of criminals junta.

            tes

          • Mahmud Saleh

            tes
            Thank you brother, very constructive. I take your inputs seriously. This is not a new phenomena tes. As you know, in the 90s, there was a campaign of terrorizing locals based on religious dimension. Thanks God, many good citizens within that movement and within the wider opposition camp convinced that movement to decease from burning schools, clinics and other civilian infrastructure. Today, that movement is assimilated within the larger opposition group seeking political legitimacy within a national framework. My comment was triggered partly by the consequences that unorganized and decentralized military attacks could cause. My fear is legitimate, and I am not by any means denouncing acts of resistance targeting the repressive government’s tentacles of oppression. My brother, we need to encourage a united action, otherwise, there will be acts of revenge. Just think about the real presence of groups or individuals who think certain areas or regions did or are doing bad things to them. I think it is of utmost importance those organized groups make their communications clear so as to not get confused with irresponsible real terrorist individuals or groups. The central line that civilians and their infrastructure should not be target doesn’t diminish the right of organized or centralized groups to decide what constitutes legitimate and what not. And they could explain it. For instance, National Salvation said it carried out an operation targeting a government garage. In that case we know who took responsibility and why they did it. Many organized opposition makes it clear in their manifestos that they target critical infrastructures used for repressive policies; they even go as far as designating EDF as not being their prime target unless done in self defense. So, it’s not new to state this. Every political organization will tell you it doesn’t target civilians and civilian targets. Just to clarify it more otherwise, it has been said. Like I said, people have the right to rise against oppressors and the prime agent that’s pushing our people to resort to extreme majors is PFDJ. My take is, if the opposition unites, there is a less costly way of doing it; taking PFDJ out should not be predicated on taking the country down. I hope you agree with me. I agree the use of such words are sensitive, and it should be looked at as a work in progress.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            I agree with you again. Let’s out-cast PFDJ as it is not needed and lets use use all possible means to diminish him to a level that he will be totally eradicated with his dirty system. We, Eritreans deserve FREEDOM more than anybody if there was a quota of FREEDOM in this world. Unfortunately, freedom is a freedom and is equal to all.

            Dear Mahmud Saleh, my approach to Eritrean political landscape can be stated in this way.

            1. I am one of the people who are identified as Eritrean and hence I am an Eritrean. It was not my political choice but that is how I am born and where I am born and I respect that.

            2. When I say I am an Eritrean, it is because there is a country called Eritrea. Nothing more. If I were an Ethiopian, I could have said the same. It is not a pride but it who I am. I can not be anyone else now.

            3. I respect the values the Eritrean people as Eritrean people. It is my base and I use that base to go to higher and higher level of human quality and wisdom

            4. PFDJ system is undeserved system to our people and hence I fight to remove it without mercy.

            That is all as my base and all my approach is generated from this base. No matter how desperate situation I will fall into, I will never question questions No 1, 2, and 3 and I will never reconcile with PFDJ system and hence I follow a non-reconcilatory approach with PFDJ.

            This is just to re-state my stand. And I am ok with everyone as far as he respects No. 1, 2 and 3 and I react and oppose if I read lines that sound of PFDJ.

            Tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday,

            Just being away for hours was difficult for me to read all comments, didn’t we became one family here in awate boy, terrorism? have a nice minute here.

            https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=476394161764

          • guest

            Mahmuday..there are so much gold there..limited amount and non renewal once taken..right? Assumin, for the sake of argument, there are only 10,000 kilos of gold there ( i know there is more ); would you think it is better esayas and his generals take as muchas 5000 kilos now and leave the legit government with only 5000 kilos, or you prefer ALL 10,000 kilos tapped under ground or in the mountains as they have been there for the last gazzillion thousands of years safe in that Godly made bank and excavated when the rightly peoples representing government is established? I prefer the latter option, because i dont trust esayas and his illegit regime to deal with our natural LIMITED resources.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Mahmud Saleh,
          .
          I will wait to condemn Ethiopia until I know it did it and why? What took me by surprise is the unveiled, old fashioned threat. “……..its soft targets are growing in number.”
          .
          That sounds like the defense minister of the former Egyptian president Morsi. I hope you condemn these kinds of threats and escalations.
          .
          K.H

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear KH

            I don’t know what the Egyptian defense minister said but you seem to have fixated on one subordinate sentence. I said this too:”So, stop your rationalization of the past week and be the man you are. Condemn any act of sabotaging targeting civilian infrastructure, be it in Ethiopia or Eritrea. God bless the Horn” ኣዋህልል ኢኻ’ዚ ወደይ። ንፉዕ እንዲኻ ነይርካ። መልሰይ ንሆራይዘን ኣንብብ ኢኻ።

        • guest

          God bless you too, Mahmud Akhuy. Without any connection to the Bisha Goldmine alleged attack, it had been ordained many moons ag o that ONE MANS TERRORIST IS THE OTHER MANS HERO…and the other way around. Targeting un armed civilians, raping, shooting at the back of people crossing the border, is INDEED ACT OF TERRORISM. I think we both agree on that…wa daHankum.

  • guest

    Hi BOB
    which story are you talking about? The Bisha Goldmine alleged bombing by Ethiopian fighter jets? It, allegedly took place last Friday Mar.20, 2015. By saturday SudaneseAl-Sahafa reported the story, so did most ethiopian and eritrean websites, like Farajat. Awate didnt report it till Wednesday March 25. If any blame goes to awate.com, it is for being lip tight for too long. Damned if you do. Damned if you dont. READ THE TIME-LINE, SIR.

  • AMAN

    Sometimes you try to heap your dirt and blame on us
    ( I and the innocent non partisan nationalists).
    So are you both saying you were faultless and did everything right ?
    Or is it an attempt to shift the blame/

  • T..T.

    Isayas’s spokesperson denied today all the reports that Bisha goldmine was bombed by Ethiopian fighter jets. The spokesperson hinted that if the bombing ever happened could have come from opponents or the opposition. He added that the reason of ruling out the Ethiopian involvement was that, “the Ethiopian Air Force is grounded because over 30 of its members, along with several multi-million dollar fighter jets and helicopters, have defected to Eritrea within the last 12 months alone. After shutting down for maintenance on March 13, Bisha is on-track for re-start this week.”

    Source: http://www.geeskaafrika.com/eritrea-denies-reports-that-canadian-bisha-mine-was-bombed/8421/

    • derebew

      He had to. What else can he say? Yes we were trashed but “TEM” mebal meritsna.
      PIA never admits anything that will implicate him or portray him as weak, which he is. Now you want the “lion of Nacfa”, who has been reduced to what he is, a dirty city rat, to admit he was punished and humiliated for the second time and that he was scared sh..less he can not respond.

      OF COURSE, he (PIA) will deny it happened via his mouth pice. Truth will come out one day soon.
      What the heck kind of news is Ghedab anyhow? can’t they ask people in the vicinity instead of rehashing different report in their monolog and coming to a wrong conclusion? Such a huge thing can not be hidden from the people? Don’t they have some contacts in side Eritrea? I guess Eritrea is a true prison and not metaphorically, that even earth shaking explosions and fire can be hidden by scaring the people not to talk.

      • Abi

        Derebew
        I was in addis Ginbott 27 1983 EC when the weapons depot was burned to ashes at nifas silk. Our house at Bole was shaking. Everyone including the dogs in the city were terrified. The damage was all over the city. It felt like a war was going on in the city.
        My hope is AT will come back with a man on the street or cafe report. This kind of things can’t be hidden from the public.

  • Semere Andom

    Awate Strikes a Gold Mine!

    He did not come out of the blue. He was lurking. He is a cross between Serray, Bayan, Mahmuday, Sal and Nitricc. He resembles Serray in intensity, Bayan in his diction, Mahmud in his multi-linguistic skills, Sal for his soft spot for Nitricc and impeccable coinage, and Nitricc for his even softer spot in his one and only one heart for PFDJ.

    When he asseverates his cousins salivate. When he swings his humongous vocabulary his debater fasciculate.

    And unlike many Asmarinos, who attempt to beautify their conversation with Italian, Arabic and English simultaneously and in the process the decoration turns out to be ugly weed, our new talent Latinates with ease and profuseness but miraculously keeps his Latinated process unique, just like a single dandelion in your back yard that does not turn to weed in need to be weeded out 🙂

    His fingers abuse the keyboard so his words can disabuse his adversaries. Like the singing of a bird his commentaries ooze effortlessnessly with the language of “Philosophia Naturalis Principia Mathematica”.

    • T. Kifle

      Semere A.

      Kim Hanna also had to add a value to you satire when he said, “A well known Awatista observer, Nitricc, once said that some people study dictionary alone. I think this guy has a masters degree in English Dictionary (master dictionary to coin a phrase) and has no common sense leave alone anything else…”

    • Mizaan

      Who is Gheteb?

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Semere and TK
      Atum deQi gdefu ‘ba. All it shows is:
      The guy is gifted with all – level assortments of tools.
      NAsha= ydurguHalu
      Nlabam= y’emetelu
      Nreesi Akat= he nukes her/him off. That’s all. Using the right tool for the purpose at hand shows he is efficient. No complain my bad friend Semere. Did he complain when you cross language barriers seamlessly? Rebi lselmaka malahay.

      • Hayat Adem

        Sem,
        You are giving him too much. i don’t see serray in him. serray has never made me read volumes for a peice of redundent message. his, serry’s qualities has been high intensity fewer lines, entertaining and peircing. i see no mahmuday in him. mahmuday is about don’t do it too much. don’t love weyanne too much, don’t hate eplf too much. this guy is about too inversly speaking. he hates weyanne too much and he loves pfdj too much. i don’t see saay in him. saay is about eritrean pride and ego. if it means protecting that ego and pride, he can go as far as loving pfdj. if it is about protecting eritrean ego and pride, he has no problem of hating and sarificing weyanne. all i see in him is Nitricc+good english+some latinina

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Gual Adem
          Is this for me or for the guy from Toronto?
          Anyway, that’s why I sing the blues. It goes like this in Tigrgna.
          Ane woy ane
          MsaKi laH ile
          Shekortet abziHe
          fetine si teshendiHe
          sle’zi ghehteb amxiee
          SeT lebeT keblom
          NbeAl tekal-mekalom
          Take it easy. The guy has
          a lot to give.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            I will be around long enough to see if he has any to offer. So far, there was nothing from him Nitircc couldn’t have covered.

          • Ted

            Mahmud, the guy is like a Swiss knife, well versed in history,politics and of course language, a force to reckoned with. Our friends don’t handle a challenge very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t like the color of his eyes.

          • Ted

            Mahmud, the guy is like a Swiss knife, well versed in history,politics and of course language, a force to reckoned with. Our friends don’t handle a challenge very well. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t like the color of his eyes too.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tewodros:
            You are wrong. I like Gheteb and I can bet that Hayat does also likes him. She even liked Nitricc and she never responded in kind, she always took the road less travelled—the high road, until recently when she responded in kind and he actually responded sensibly
            And the color of Gheteb’s eyes, I love them. But the color of the eyes that you are referring to allude to our “woyaneness” is one of the best lines that PMZ said. It condenses the undeniable fact that a country has the right to deport anyone she does not like. It was unvarnished fact not swaddled in lies sure coated

          • Ted

            Wedi Andom, You got a strange way of showing your love. i hope you are not in to BDSM kinky stuff.
            Nonetheless fits well as a “bad friend”(Mahmud saleh) to approve the eye color you love ” I love them” to be treated like a dirt.

          • Ted

            Apologies. There should be demerit for offences, after all policing costs money.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Ted
            On sharpness: I think both of you score the same. But it’s true Ghehteb seems to possess a store you wouldn’t worry for replenishment. It’s automatic. And he’s energetic too. I guess that’s why my bad friend semere had mapped out and launched operation sunskewed- Toronto edition.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Rejoining / Replying to SAAY

    Ahlen Cousin Saleh,

    First things first. Let me expatiate a bit further on this line. I have a feeling it is the source why the main thrust of my argument in the last paragraph has peeled off not only tangentially, but it has taken a life of its own. Here is the main idea of the last paragraph.

    ” It is the nature of geopolitical calculations and real politic that has hamstrung Eritrea since the late 40s.”

    I think I should have amplified and dilated the aforementioned sentence a bit further. First, though, I didn’t realize that I meant realpolitik and not real politic. Mea culpa for that and here is the word that I should have used:

    Realpolitik (from German: real “realistic”, “practical”, or “actual”; and Politik “politics”, German pronunciation: [ʁeˈaːlpoliˌtɪk]) is politics or diplomacy based primarily on power and on practical and material factors and considerations, rather than explicit ideological notions or moral or ethical premises.

    The fact of the matter is that Eritrea’s poiltical effort was frustrated and hindered [hamstrung] by geopolitical calculations and geopolotical imperatives of the Big Powers. Moreover, realpolitik has militated against Eritrea which is evidenced by the fact that even Okbazghi Yohannes chose it as a title of his book, Eritrea: A Pawn In World Politics. Here from the same book on page 264, the author asserts that:

    ” … Eritrean nationalism seems immune to the dialectics of international power politics. The concomitant ramification of this painful reality for Eritreans is that the articulation of external elements in the Horn has been moving unidirectionally in Ethiopia’s favor, thereby retarding the realization of Eritrea’s nationalist aspiration.”

    Again, the same author, on page 50, of the same book, asseverates that:

    “… the allied powers had nothing against Eritrea in particular; they were merely guided by the dictates of their own national interests in the cold war that became the characterstic feature of the new world order.”

    As you can see from the above statements, my line of argument was in the sense of realpolitik and geostrategic interests/imperatives of the big powers, be they the Americans, the Soviets, the Chinese, the Brits and the French that took precedence over certain principles such as the principle of self-determination, sovereignty and territorial integrity. That being the case, I don’t know how that single sentence morphed and transmogrified into ” the world hates us”. To be absolutely honest and frank here, that train of thought NEVER crossed my mind. I mean that I never even entertained that conceit (thought) even for split of a second. I hope now you can see my point of departure [starting point of that line of thinking].

    Regarding the enumerated comments you rendered, I will briefly say this:

    1) Sure, you may be right about the Federal Act, but the UN didn’t do anything after Ethiopia’s unilateral abrogation of the Federal Act and you know the rest of the story.

    2) I agree with your take, cuz Saleh. Again, the point is in those years, the Eritrean question didn’t receive any meaninful attention in the world bodies such as the UN, OAU, The Arab League and other international forums.

    3) I concur. However, I hasten to add the following caveat. Yeah, in those years weren’t we buddies with the Horn Of Africa’s darling of the West ( spearheaded by the U.S.A ). I mean, we were considered the sidekicks (comrades) of ‘the errand boys of the West’ in the Horn in those times. Had we been assertively ‘Eritrean’, boy, they would have come to us like bricks from a wall ( If I remember correctly, here I am echoing Susan Rice from one of your pieces in Dehai. I think it was from a meeting you attended in San Francisco, Ca., in 1999?. Right?

    4) Precisely. That captures even better the injustices and the hypocrisy of the Security Council members to the UN charters. Here they are calculating how soon or how fast this lilliputian of a country otherwise known as Eritrea is goining to be devoured by this behemoth, Ethiopia, that they have been “sugar-daddying” since I don’t know when. Doesn’t this evoke the images of a sandwich eating competition in which the judges will allot some specified time to a contestant to scarf up a pile of sandwichs? That is what pops up in my mind when I think about the UN reactions to the Ethiopian invasion of Eritrea in 1998-2000.

    5) Well, after 2000, the major failure of the Security Council has been their unwillingness of prevailing over Ethiopia regarding the 2002 EEBC verdict. All the other miscues that you ascribe “to Isaias Afeworki being increasingly unhinged” ,one way or another, is linked to the failure of the UN and other international bodies of living up to their promises and obligations of making sure that Ethiopia abided by the final and binding verdict of the EECB.

    Finally, I never claimed that “the world hates us” and hence why Eritrea is facing all these diplomatic hurdles. What I contended was that geopolitical calculations (calculus)/imperatives and realpolitik has certainly contributed to the unmistakable unfairness with which Eritrea has been treated in almost all conflict/disaccord when the other party is Ethiopia.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    From our Summer 1991 Issue

    Although treated as expendable for forty years by both superpowers and most of the rest of the world, the tenacious nationalists of Eritrea stand poised in early 1991 for victory after what this study rightly calls an effort of “epic proportions.” The book tells us little about the nationalists, but much about the odds against them. The author, who teaches at the University of Louisville, has focused on the diplomatic and international dimensions of the Eritrean issue since World War II. He draws extensively on British and American diplomatic archives and U.N. records and manages to include enough recent material on Soviet policy changes to give a vivid and up-to-date history of great-power maneuvers in the strategically situated Horn of Africa.

    • saay7

      Selamat Cousin Gheteb:

      You cousin wrote a piece entitle ” ‘Wey Gud!’ Is Not A Good Strategy”. As most of what I was going to say to you is captured in that piece, I kindly request that you read it:

      http://awate.com/saleh-aa-younis-ii-7/

      For those who don’t have the time, the article essentially argues that we can’t have an “OMG!” policy and getting surprised by things we shouldn’t be surprised by. For now and until the end of time, Ethiopia will be a large country compared to us–population-wise and size-wise and will continue to exert influence (not just due to its population but the demography) in East Africa, and after GERD, in Africa. Unless you are one of those people who actually think that the Ethiopian opposition will disintegrate Ethiopia… I think the Rift Valley will disintegrate Ethiopia sooner than the Ethiopian opposition.

      That being the case, I think we need to accept the cold hard fact that world powers will continue to show preference to Ethiopia. This does not mean that we join the Eshi Goytay camp but it certainly means that the foreign policy of PFDJ, as expressed in its National Charter is disastrous for Eritrea until one word “notwithstanding” is changed to “within”

      I know you have read it from the preamble to the end, but this is what PFDJ says:

      “First, we must establish good neighborly and peaceful relations with our neighbors and the countries of our region, based on mutual interest and mutual cooperation. Problems related to peace and stability cannot be confined to within our borders. In order to preserve the peace and harmony we acquired after a long struggle, it is essential that we strive for peace and stability at both regional and global levels, notwithstanding our limited capabilities.”

      Susan Rice’s personal assurance to me that “we will come down on them like a ton of bricks” when I asked her what the US would do if Ethiopia rejected peace and went for war after it was given a sensible peace agreement (Technical Arrangement) was just a case of a neophyte overpromising what her bosses had intention of delivering on. I did my “Wey Gud” then (in May 2000); I get surprised when people still do that in 2015.

      Ogbazghi Yohannes is an awesome writer and one of the rare Eritrean intellectuals who called Isaias Afwerki’s BS… but I prefer his “Anatomy of an African Tragedy to his “Eritrea: A Pawn in World Politics.” This is because I believe (and I think history shows) that Eritreans were assertive actors (not pawns) in the decision to be federated with Ethiopia. Ethiopia spoke with one voice, that of Haile Selasse, and Eritrean voice was cacophanous and even the Federal Act was heavily favoring Ethiopia and the mechanism for what the world will do if an agreement is violated (nothing) is a lesson we should have learned in 1955, not something we shake our heads and mumble “Wey Gud!” in 2015 🙂

      saay

  • Peace!

    I am just curious do you know what exactly happened in Bisha? You are challenging almost everybody with intension that the bombing did actually happened and Bisha is partially destroyed. Help us out here please, first of all destroying economic infrastructure won’t do good to both the TPLF government and its stooges opposition groups; second, force will not solve the problem between the two countries.

  • Berhe T.

    Dear AT,

    I saw this news item from Ethiopian TV, which I thought was relevant to the story, at least from official Ethiopian position.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mumLubsCPsc

    Berhe

    • Hayat Adem

      Berhe,
      This was from 2012. Why are mixing it with this Bisha confusion?
      Hayat

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hayat Adem,
        .
        Thank you so much! For a brief moment I was stunned.
        .
        I think you deserve to send your bill to Awate Headquarters for the work you do here.
        .
        Thanks again.
        .
        K.H

        • Hayat Adem

          I do? Okay, thanks for that. I think everyone would remember it easily by listening to what the Amb was talking. But I dislike people readily jumping at every opportunity to mix up things. As to the bill to Awate Headquarters, the call is totally different. They want us to support them, and rightly so.

      • Berhe T.

        Thank you Hayat for correction.

        I should have double checked before posting. I got the link from my contact on FB recently, related to the current discussion and I thought it was related and recent.

        Berhe

        • Hayat Adem

          Berhe,
          Thank you for being humble enough.

        • Kokhob Selam

          my respect.

  • Fenomeno

    Thumbs up for Gedab News for providing the best report on this whole Bisha issue.

    Rational, to the point, questioning the credibility of sources and as factual as possible!

    • derebew

      Please, don’t you all Eritreans have contacts i.e family or friends that can tell what happened in Eritrea? OK, it may be hard for some of them to tell how it happened but for sure they could tell you the destruction that took place. It was very loud, the ground shook and fire was burning both in Bisha and Edaga..
      Take your time slowly but surely you will hear about it.

      • Saleh Johar

        deberew, all our relatives who could relate the news are out. But we have thousands of Demhit living in Eritrea. Don’t you have a relative among the Demhit? If you do, or you know someone who does, maybe you can help us by contacting him for information 🙂

        • Ted

          Saleh, well said.
          The Ethiopian PM said’ if it did happened ,let us hear it from them” with a smirk in his face. It seems he rehearsed the line well while the unintended consequence of their fabrication making them look weak and desperate.

  • Berhan Beyan

    Selam Awate,
    I agree with most of your analysis. I myself when I read that Ethiopia bombed Bisha, could not believe this news could be true. Actually, I told my friend when I read the news, Look, The EPLF leadership think that the TPLF do crazy things every 10 years, so now if they bomb Bish we have to look 10 years back and see what they did. If there is something crazy did 10 years ago, then the EPLF is right. But, the EPLF never being right in the entire of their life and they do crazy things everyday, they don’t wait 10 years to do crazy things
    Awate, I think, it is wrong to equate the reaction of Eritreans with hopelessness. The Eritrean issues is not an isolated case, whatever happen in our region and far beyond could affect us one way or another. It is normal for Eritreans to react to such kind of news and the reaction could be exaggerated too. There is nothing wrong with that. Don’t worry, Eritreans will not give up on the struggle for Eritrea and will not seek outsiders to administer their country.

    • Hope

      Sir,
      The Weyanes has done their best though to destroy the Bisha Mine diplomatically and in the name of Sanction,haven’t they?
      Why would you be surprised if they do it directly or by Proxy?
      Isn’t that the home work of the DMLEK , the Salvation Front and the RSADO assigned to them by the Weyanes?
      Let us be honest!

  • Fnote Selam

    Gonbel,

    Yea, I guess so. People were a bit confused it came under Gedab News.

    FS.

  • sarah ogbay

    Bith sides are reluctant to give the public evidence on what exactly happened. We need to get genuine report of the extent of damage on both sites only then can we support or condemn iether side. However, if Ethiopia did it, I will not be all-smile because it is an agression of against our sovereignty. But then it is PFDJ that has put us in this position; that has made us vulnerable, bullyable and… If it is elements of opposition who did it, then I congratulate them for their bravery. In war you have to weaken your enemy by any means. We cannot have it both ways.

    • Kokhob Selam

      ዶቶራ
      “ሰብኣይን ደሊኺ ጭሕምን ጸሊእኪ” ምዃኑ ድዩ ?

      • Peace!

        Kokohb,

        You don’t import chihmi; it grows from within:)

        Regards

        • Kokhob Selam

          Peace that is the problem we are facing from Saay7 and you guys, now did I say Chihmi is imported somewhere here? did I?

          But Hey if you are lazy and you are not taking care of your Chihmi you may ask someone to support you. if not (if you don’t want to support you) you can tie from top down and sit in one corner to death who cares. If only your chihmi and my chihmi are interconnected you will face problem like the Yemens Huti facing bitter war.

  • Yoty Topy

    I like my news the way I like my burgers: Partially cooked red meat with a lot of blood dripping.

  • Semere Andom

    Gonbel:
    Thanks for the reminde and I heeded your advice and checked the mirror and I saw the following bold,underline words written:
    “The Eritrean problem will be solved when Eritreans do the heavy lifting, own the vision……”

  • selam

    To the known cronies of both sides.

    Can we call the Eritrean government is all in all PFDJ and their cronies , yes 100% . The same applies to the Ethiopian government which is controlled by Weyane and their cronies . Do i say any thing insulting to both groups ? NO , i did not .while the 100% of the Eritrean wealth is controlled by PFDJ , it is in the same margin that Weyane control the Ethiopian wealth. That is not braining , it is factual truth.

    Both groups are dictators and they tell take our wealth and shoot us on broad daylight.

    • T. Kifle

      Selam,
      The Eritrean government can be rightly called as
      1. Eritrean government
      2. The PFDJ government
      3. The sha’ebia government
      4. The government of IA
      But, when you want to apply it in Ethiopia it goes like this;
      1. The government of Ethiopia,
      2. The EPRDF government
      3. The Hailemariam Desalegn’s government.
      Or if you still love to call the name TPLF, forget Ethiopia and talk only about Tigray and you may call the government of the State of Tigray as the Weyane government, TPLF’ government or Abay woldu’s government.

      But calling the EDF as Weyane’s army, weyane war planes weyane commandos would tell more about the speaker than the truth that one wants to convey. It’s a sign of maturity. How do I know? Because some good individuals from Eritrea don’t use such terms. They don’t appeal to emotions but focus on their messages.

      • selam

        Dear T.Kifle

        First we can not call the Eritrean dictator a government that should not be a problem to you to accept and that is well understood.

        Yes, it does tell about the speaker , it means the same metrics apply to both of us , in which you will find your understanding challenged by people you think are wrong and vis versa. I have friends who are ethiopians who call the Ethiopian government a dictatorial system( under weyane or TPLF ) , and here you are telling me the Ethiopian government is not a dictatorial system in which you have the right to say and believe. But you can not and will not tell me what to call the Ethiopian government in open era. This is not a tigray or addis court where you can level every point as a terrorists . we can debate about this for so long . But do we need to debate while the other side has no prove or basic challenging points. Again EPRDF is just the cover on a fake painted box. That is the true definition of Ethiopian government with ZERO opposition candidate of the next election. Oww i forget the only one opposition .Despite all this prove i respect your one sided view in which it is logic .

        • T. Kifle

          Selam.

          First of all I didn’t say the government is democratic. We had monarchs and military dictatorship in the past but still they represented Ethiopia in that monarch and dictatorship manner. Werther you accepted it or not, Eritrea also has a government. You can only qualify it what kind of government it is. You cannot deny its existence. The other sign of immature people is they keep moving the coordinates of a debate instead of attacking issues point by point in a way that invites the other side open their minds and really focus on what has been said instead of answering from a template. It doesn’t matter what you say about my government. I know what kind of government I have. I never commented on Eritrea’s political cleavage except when associated in some way with Ethiopia and you, many Eritrean debaters, have a hard time analysing Eritrean politics with out spicing it with Ethiopia and some kind of name calling.

          You said, “That is the true definition of Ethiopian government with ZERO opposition candidate of the next election. Oww i forget the only one opposition” This shows the danger when kids think they know better and refuse to learn. SAAY linked some twitted message the goes like(it is paraphrased) “It would be shame to look for solutions from a country which has only one opposition parliamentarian and now that person is not contesting”. What a lazy person like you can learn from that message is that there is no political rival in the upcoming elections. You learn a line from him and here you are caught lying. At the moment, more than 60 political parties are standing for this election. The said parliamentarian represents UDJ(Unity for Democracy and Justice) party, and if the party doesn’t want him stand for the coming election, it would be their decision. what it means is he is probably being substituted by another candidate of the party’s choice. So don’t make your ignorance of Ethiopia shines. Limit yourself on how you can contribute to Eritrea’s predicament leaving Ethiopia alone. And my advise is when talking about Ethiopia is still necessary for you, address the country respectfully, while throwing your opinions candidly.

          Girls are generally less vitriolic and demonstrate good manners. You also can be one of them is you opted for it and surely, it would pay.

          • Ted

            TK, you got a kitchen sink, sir.”The other sign of immature people is…” “This shows the danger when kids think they know better and refuse to learn….” “Limit yourself on how you can contribute to Eritrea’s predicament leaving Ethiopia alone.” Thanks God, if she were in Ethiopia, your TPLF friends would have fry her in a cooking oil alive. Your beef with selam is not what she said about democracy, it is about her refusal to accept TPLF as a helping hand for our political issue. She fought teeth and nails with opportunists to show TPLF as a criminal organization who sucked the blood of both Eritrean and Ethiopians. You failed miserably selling TPLF to Ethiopians not alone Eritreans who have the scars and bruises to show for your crimes. Where in the democratic world is possible to have only one seat for a opposition. Nowhere, except in a weyane land. You dont have to lie about democracy and TPLF in your country, those Eritreans who chose to lick your shoe know the very fact but they do it anyways because they are vindictive, shortsighted or mercenaries.

          • T. Kifle

            Don’t mes-sup with Selam now. She is not in your club. You are beyond the threshold for appraisal. Now I count.. Gheteb, Semere T. Ted…,

          • Ted

            KT, For obvious reasons, i know i am not your kind of cup of tea. For one reason or another, we have no angel leaders in our respective countries. just Lay off disparaging people for what they believe in, after all those who are in your fold of thought are Eritreans too. Don’t make them look worse, it is bad as it is.

          • sarah ogbay

            T.kifle,
            While I agree with your opinion/ advice, I really failed to understand why you would bring gender into the discussion. Selam’s comment should be treated as a person’s opinion not as a girl’s one. It would be appreciated if you refrain from insinuations. It won’t take us anywhere.

          • T. Kifle

            Dears Sarah and Tsigereda,
            I thought it was a complement. If you found it a bias, I stand corrected thought nothing like that was intended.

      • Hayat Adem

        T. Kifle,
        Oh boy, what have you gotten yourself into. Try a sign language if that helps better. It is turning into dialogue of the deaf proper, is it not?

        • T. Kifle

          Selamat Hayat,

          It occurred to me Selam is a little sweet girl trying to form her world from the “belly of the beast” and decided to throw her few lines of unsolicited advice. Who knows she might be even better than Hope, who recently visited Ethiopia but his blood pressure seems doubling since then.

          • Tzigereda

            Selam T.Kifle,
            This is pure gender-based intimidation. Does it make you feel better?

  • sarah ogbay

    I think we need to have a clear assessment of the damage done on both sites as both sides (Ethiopia, and PFDJ) are reactant to give the public some evidence on the situation. But whatever slows down PFDJ from spending on spying its own people as well as other countries should be welcome. If Ethiopia did it, I would not like it because it would be an agression on the sovereignty of my country. But then, it is PFDJ that dinimished my country into a bullyable, poor, uninhabitable ……. If elements of the opposition did it, I would congratulate them for their bravery. In war, as long as civilians are not killed, anything that weakens your enemy is welcome. We can not have it both ways.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Sara:

      If I had your taletns, I would have said it this way. Simple, but not simplistic. To the point

    • Hope

      Hmmm,”Dotoressa”!

      Are you serious?
      here my opinion and over-reaction to your” Over-reaction”:

      So,if the Terrorist Gangs,who destroyed a Hospital in Barentu full of innocent people few yrs ago,will repeat the same terrorist act in the Heart of Asmera or the Dams and The Colleges are to be destroyed by the same Terror Gang in the name of targeting the PFDJ,then you are out of your mind besides being a “Terrorist” in a hiding somewhere in Scandinavia or London, wherever you might be hiding, as long as you are supporting the Terrorist Acts,besides encouraging them to do what they are doing.—i.e., you are the Teacher of terrorism, at least by default.
      Do you know that the best Brain -washing Teachers of the ISIS are sitting right at the Heart of Riyad,Tel Aviv,the USA,Greta Britain /London,Sweden,etc…with out setting a foot at the major crime scene?.

      Quote:” If Ethiopia did it, I would not like it because it would be an agression on the sovereignty of my country. But then, it is PFDJ that dinimished my country into a bullyable, poor, uninhabitable ……. If elements of the opposition did it, I would congratulate them for their bravery. In war, as long as civilians are not killed, anything that weakens your enemy is welcome”

      End of Quote.
      Courtesy of Dr Sara Ugbay.
      Remember that you are missing, albeit intentionally, something a 3RD Grader can figure out,….that those so called ” Armed Opposition Groups ” are either armed, trained, funded,baby-sitted,etc by the same ETHIOPIA you don’t want to bomb Bisha and/or are a well-trained TPLF Commandos, like the ones, who the Terrorist Job at Aseb Front in the name of RSADO.
      Doc,
      There are “benign” or safer ways of targeting the right Target, not the Economic Infra-structure, dear Sister!

      • T. Kifle

        By the way hope,

        Does it occur to you that you are violating the posting guidelines of the forum when you (and many others) love to frequent the phrases like “TPLF-government, TPLF commandos, TPLF planes…”. you might think you are smart but this habit weakens the very purpose of your presence in this forum by smacking goodwill out of reasonable heads(and they are the ones who matter in many ways) and misinforming those who have no clue about the name-calling. Call the government by its proper name. TPLF is a political party which, by any stretch of imagination, cannot own commandos or whatever. don’t reduce yourself to an irrational being interested in hyperbole, innuendos, and many unwarranted adjectives that serves no purpose either way. I would encourage you to think about it.

        • Hope

          Sir,
          TPLF is THE MAJOR Party of the Ethiopian Government registered as such, hence, your allegation does NOT hold water.
          You cannot either deny the hard-core facts while at the same time trying to be more Catholic than the Pope, better witness than the original witnesses/victims and a better Historian the original history makers and the ORIGINAL historians.

      • Hope

        Correction:

        Read as : “Here is my opinion and over-reaction to your ” Over-reaction”:

        • sarah ogbay

          Dear Hope
          Although your response seems to Guest you also seem to respond to my comment. When I say anything that weakens PFDJ, hosptals dams, colleges don’t weaken or strengthen PFDJ. Whether we like it or not PFDJ is still alive and fighting because of Bisha, Period. It uses the money to finance its spy circles, many among the opposition are funded by PFdj to keep the momentum down, by creating divisions etc. The rest of the money goes into their pocket. I don’t understand when you say economy, What economy? What are our people getting from Bisha other than slaving (those who work there).
          Therefore anything that slows down PFDJ should be welcome. We have to understand that unless this live support machine is stopped 7PFDJ will be breathing. As long as civilians are not targeted or deliberately made collateral, I welcome anything that speeds up positive change by weakening PFDJ.

          • Hope

            Selam Wo Senay Doc!
            My apology for my over-reaction and if I responded to a wrong person!
            Guest does not deserve an ERITREAN response ,btw!
            Of note,I respectfully disagree with your ” Strategy” as an Economic Infra-Structure destruction will never be,should not be and cannot be a solution to our problems!
            It is an ultimate sign of desperation!
            Destruction of a Civilian Garage, a Hospital,and a Mining is but the same as destruction of schools,Colleges,Bridges and Dams, no matter how we are desperate!
            Would U ellulate if a Hospital in Asmera is destroyed by the Salvation Front like what the DMLEK did in Barentu few yes ago?

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Dear hope,
            You do not have to apologize for expressing you opinion. I do respect it no matter how much it differs from mine.
            I do not ululate at any destructive measure taken what so ever taken anywhere. But now that we, my people and me are under attack by PFDJ, I am looking for a way out of this misery. For me my people come first, not Bisha, not the infrastructure you mentioned above. I care about the living beings who are being degraded everyday. This being as it is, I see the opposition in a helpless fragments state. So for me anything that loosens the robe around my people is welcome. I have already said that I do not feel comfortable that Ethiopia or another country being in my country in aggressive manner. But Now (now underlined) at this moment I don’t think I care about the territory issues. I just want the noose around my people loosened if not removed. Anything else is secondary.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Please read ‘the rope around my people’s neck is welcome’

          • Hope

            Ok Doc!
            That is desperation at its best!
            Eritrea has been sanctioned overtly and officially militarily to the extent of being helpless to defend Eritrea as a Sovereign Nation and you along with the Desperado Opposition .
            Now you escalated the desperation to the extent of not,only by making the covert economic sanction overt but official!
            The opposition should target the real target,not the Economic Infrastructure!
            Tnx for correcting my spelling,btw!
            I would rather advise you kindly to recall that desperate Destructive Strategy!
            We have plenty of alternatives to weaken the Regime but destroying the Economic infrastructure of the already weakened and sanctioned Nation and People is not the alternative!

  • Hope

    Ghedeb News:
    Thanks for the analysis even though it is lame,dishonest and incomplete one, albeit deliberately, in my opinion.
    Here is why:
    -You purposely omitted the Official Defense and Security Agreement between the Sudan and Ethiopia, with its historical facts, including the Tessenei Incident of 2000,when the Sudan allowed the infiltration of the TPLF Troops to ” sandwich the EDF with surprise attack, with unheard off Military “demise” in the Eritrean Military history–per the EDF Senior Commanders.
    -Similarly, the TPLF has had a similar Joint Defense and Security Agreement with Djibouti, which was Officially upgraded recently a Threat added into it, against Eritrea,by default, against Eritreans. The sad thing is that you belittled this agreement and its serious impact on the National security and Interest of Eritrea by telling your audience at that time that the the TPLF Troops were 70KM away from the unfairly “contested” Eri-Dijbouti border,when the truth of the MATTER was/is that there are more than a Division Strong TPLF Troops within Djibouti….
    -That you fully know that the TPLF Commandos and Spy Agents are aggressively targeting Eritrean Sovereignty in the Aseb Front in the name of the RSADO!
    -You already proved that the TPLF Gov responded with ” No Comment” answer/comment about the incident, which might imply as ” Yes, we were involved but we cannot “officialize” it”.Otherwise, why don’t/didn’t they deny it?
    -Remember that the awate.com and its Team were involved aggressively in petitioning for the sanction against Eritrea, the Bisha Mining included.
    -Despite that you have plenty of ” Circumstantial Evidence” about the possible role of the TPLF directly or indirectly, you chose to point the finger at an Opposition Group” within the EDF”! Another TPLF tactic???
    -Now that you proved the deadly consequences of the Sanction on Eritrea, you attempted to be soft,just soft though,and quoted others or joined others indirectly by saying: Eritrea is helpless.
    Huh?Are you serious?
    If, as Genuine Eritreans, we have the GUT and COURAGE, we should DENOUNCE OFFICIALLY the keidi-albo TPLF mantra,war-mongering threat and aggression in its all forms.
    This is my opinion…and I stand CORRECTED if I misquoted the Ghedeb News and Its Team.

  • ‘Gheteb

    What With All The ‘Ado’ And The Spinmeisters of The Bisha ‘Incident’?

    I will go on a limb here and say that the recent Bisha ‘incident’ was the Rorschach test in limning the Eritrean political landscape. Well, who knew that there were Eritreans who would literally go gaga over an ‘opera bouffe’? The frenzied wild assumptions, imaginations and spinning bespoke of a desperate group who would clutch into anything and everything that heralds the demise of their nemesis the PFDJ. The ‘news’ was unconfirmed and, boy, did they spill what ‘is’ the real and genuine contents of their hearts.

    Spilling and spinning they did. All the suspect websites couldn’t hide their glee as they went about conducting their cyber war dances and uttering their war cries. One need only trawl Tigrayonline and Aigaforum, the premier hubs of Abessinian belligerency, aggression, militancy and adventurism.

    True to form and not to be outdone in the war dance celebrations those Eritreans who wear their oppositions to the PFDJ in their sleeves, actually in their fingertips, pounded out posts and comments that literally oozed with a sense of vindication and truimphalism. From those who acclaimed the factitious Ethiopian air attack to those who wouldn’t even ponder and consider other possibilities and to those who thought the supposititious Ethiopian aerial attack on Bisha was not big enough, deep nough, punishing enough and a mere slap on the PFDJ wrist. Well, these are the unabashed prophets and sibyls of Ethiopian military take over of Eritrea.

    Well, at least their arguments and assertions provided great examples for exercises in Logic 101, especially in fleshing out the concept of Petitio Principii, which is a fallacy in which one assumes the premise of an argument that which one wishes to prove in a conclusion. Here the assumption was that Ethiopian war planes hit the Bisha mining site and to prove that very premise all those who have been hankering for an Ethiopian military invasion of Eritrea didn’t even bother to provide any countenancing evidence except to reassert the military might of Ethiopia; repeat and believe the validity of the premise which is dear and close to their hearts.

    Those who still believe that Ethiopia is so powerful and Eritrea so,so, so, weak militarily and hence Eritrea is incapable of retaliating base their arguments on two sources. The Un monitoring Reports and the UN sanction against Eritrea. I am not privy to any information about the Eritrean military power nor do I claim to have contacts with General Wedi-Gebereselassie or General Filipos. However, I am of the conviction that Eritrea has the military wherewithal to retaliate against Ethiopia, if the need should arise. This is my considered opinion and not a mere wishful thinking that permeates the thinking of those Eritreans who oppose the PFDJ.

    Finally, let me say the following to the Awate guys, the AT: Don’t blame Issaias Afeworki, if the UN Security Council was not to condemn had there been an Ethiopian aerial attack on Bisha. I am utterly bowled over how soon you have forgotten the stances of the UN and other international bodies in the event of an Ethiopian aggression or invasion of Eritrea. We know what the UN stand was in the 1998-2000 Ethiopian war against Eritrea. We, also, know no country uttered nary a peep of condemnation of Ethiopia’s aggression in 2000, well, save for Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. In those years “Issaias has not rendered Eritrea that isolated” for the international community to remain so deafeningly mum. It is the nature of geopolitical calculations and real politic that has hamstrung Eritrea since the late 40s. I am more than sure you are keenly aware of these facts. However, it is in these times that the AT has to show an ‘editorial gumption’ and call a spade a spade.

    • T. Kifle

      እሞ ናይ ኣርባዓ መዓልቲ ዕዱለትካ እያ ትኸውን ዘላ። ክኣሎ’ምበር ከስ ዘይካኣል የለን።

      • ‘Gheteb

        Well, as usual you opted to respond in Tigrigna when my post is in English. But, here it is you letting the ‘cat out of the bag” literally አታ ድሙ ካብ ሎቖታ ወጺኣ::

        “እሞ ናይ ኣርባዓ መዓልቲ ዕዱለትካ…..”

        ድሕሪ አርብዓ ማዓልትስ ዓባይ ትግራይሲ ክትውለድ አዩ ማለትካ
        ወይ ጉድ ነዳይስ ናይ ልቡ ይሓልም ዝተባህለ
        Dream on Ayte Kifle! Keep close by Abay Tsehaye he may still whisper some more information to your ears!

        • T. Kifle

          I don’t know how to say the thing I said in English. That’s all. As to your hallucination, there is nothing new in your posts except you helped me understand that people can learn to the extent of becoming best writers while remaining orthogonal to the truth. Let you spin the things you think are dear to your Eritrea but spin it at least in manner marketable to your constituency.

          • ‘Gheteb

            No spinning, no wild imagination produced from a hyperactive mind and an aching heart. I read the Eritrean tea leaf, actually the Eritrean olive tree leaf as objectively as I can. You may take it as “hallucination” but, but, but, you know that ain’t to be the case. I don’t need to spin anything here. Why should I when reality and the truth has finally vindicated those of us who didn’t buy the so-called Ethiopian air attack on Bisha!

          • T. Kifle

            You know I too didn’t buy that part of the story. But the way you understand Eritrean politics is extremely terrible and, God forbid, Eritrea’s future will be doomed if there are 100 educated politically active people with a take similar to yours,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam T. Kifle,
            .
            Early on I was confident that the Ethiopian Gov. would not attack the targets mentioned. The Awate’s suspicion of Eritrean Defense forces actions is also out there.
            .
            I have this uncomfortable doubt creeping into my head as of late, because of Ben’s total commitment to the story. I have had a reasonable experience in his reporting and editorializing in the past. He stands to loose credibility and reputation by this one story, if he is wrong.
            .
            I am wondering if he has a credible source he is relying on. What do you think? If the story is true what would be the possible justification to attack a mine?
            .
            K.H

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            As far as me is concerned, “Ben’s point of view” is ridiculous even if the news is going to be credible. It’s a cheap propaganda the alleged pilots would smirk at the hearing of the message. It’s totally unacceptable propaganda spin where the government wouldn’t describe the way he described. and you asked the probable explanations given the news is true. My take is, if Ethiopia carried out the raid, she must have uncovered some grand plan of IA Afeworki scheme detrimental to its peace and development efforts. It wouldn’t move an inch less for anything less.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam T. Kifle,
            .
            Thanks for your response. From a million miles away in many aspects, I tend to rely on reading certain sources of information and I was just wondering about his timing and production. Yes, Ben’s exuberance also threw me off a bit, thus the concern.
            .
            On another note, I noticed yours and gheteb’s back and forth exchange. Usually he writes long and nonsense in the Queen’s English. He can recite the Framework Agreement, Cessation of Hostilities agreement and EEBC rulings chapter and verse as if it is a verse from the Holy Bible and in the same breath tells you about the invasion of Eritrea by Ethiopia in 1998-2000.
            .
            A well known Awatista observer, Nitricc, once said that some people study dictionary alone. I think this guy has a masters degree in English Dictionary (master dictionary to coin a phrase) and has no common sense leave alone anything else.
            I recommend not wasting time, there.
            .
            K.H

          • ‘Gheteb

            And, what would that “take similar to[mine] be Ayte T.Kifle? Tell me this. How Eritrea’s “future would be doomed” if what I espouse politically and other “100 educated politically active people” and why is that the “way [I] understand Eritrean politics is extremely terrible”? Do you mind elaborating a bit further?

    • Hayat Adem

      Gheteb, you said: “Those who still believe that Ethiopia is so powerful and Eritrea so,so, so, weak militarily and hence Eritrea is incapable of retaliating base their arguments on two sources. The Un monitoring Reports and the UN sanction against Eritrea”
      No, we think Eritrean military is weak and incapable of responding for other reasons: 1) Ethiopia had attacked three time inside Eritrea and returned unscratched and there was any sign of retaliatory response 2) PIA had bragged a lot of time about getting the territories delineated to Eritrea by the EEBC and last time I checked he is still bragging and Ethiopia is sitting there

    • saay7

      Selamat Gheteb:

      I really have never bought into “the world hates us” argument and here’s why:

      1. In the 1940s-1950s, the world genuinely believed that the Federal Act is the best option given the mixed signals we as a people gave them: we want independence; we want Union with ethiopia. (Back then there was a consensus that landlocked nations can never develop so Ethiopias demand for aces to the sea was considered compelling);

      2. In the 1960s-1980s, we had the support of the overwhelming number of Arab countries. Ethiopia had the support of all of Africa. We had the support of Cuba until ethiopia switched to Socialism. We had the support of many of the left-of-center European political parties. (Notwithstanding the “bitsifrina”, most of the funds for the Eritrean Relief Association came from Western donors);
      3. From 1991-1998, Eritrea was considered part of Clintons darling African states (Hillary visited remember?) and when the Hanish Crisis occurred in 1995, it was given European-level-crisis attention. (I am sure you are aware of the “hierarchy of lives” popularized by a British journalist;
      4. 1998-2000, the Eritrea-Ethiopia war was given massive attention by US, EU, UN and even AU. No 2 African nations at war received that much prioritizing. The lack of condemnation of Ethiopias offensive was a calculus that Ethiopia would win and they gave it a window, a short window, to get it done. (saudi Arabia and Pakistan were apparently not in on the meeting.
      5. The 2000-present is essentially Isaias Afwerki being increasingly Uninhinged. When you have specific and repeated resolutions to negotiate with Djibouti and you refuse and only do it after you are sanctioned; when you defy entire world opinion about Somalia, you will pay the price. And when you are given specific tasks to get the sanctions lifted and one of them is not to hosted armed opposition groups and not only do u do it but you have your TV station with its logo broadcasting the armed groups training and when defectors from the ethiopian opposition groups then tell where their training camps are IN Eritrea (complete with satellite photo), you won’t even get China and Russia to vote for you. When kaddafi thinks you are too crazy and won’t vote for you, you are way out there.

      If you haven’t done so I highly recommend you read Tesfai Sherifs piece.

      saay

      • Saleh Johar

        Aiwa! I think Halib ste was long overdue and you made me say it. “The world hates us” has been elevated to mythical proportions and it’s bothersome. You diagnosed it perfectly.

        • Semere Andom

          Ahlen Saleh:
          First last time I checked Sal is Vegan( atkltin mehleki) 😉
          Second as your correctly described it, the entire world is against us is bothersome to the point that people my age ( not young),who have no clue about Eritrea ands its Ghedli when this topic comes they are sure that everything is against us, recently a Pente friend sho has no interest in Eritrean politics told me that “alem banderrana abhamed derbbia hjji dimma dobbna keyhitsetsh hangidda”.
          Shahi ste for describing it as as you did

        • Ted

          Saleh, it is more like ‘the world love Ethiopia more than they hate us” The world doesn’t know from adam who is who, to love or hate in the region. We all are Africans with no blood, history or culture bondage with them. The only characterization of us is where we live, how many us and what resources we own. There is no personal about it and their demand is bold and straight,” obey or Else”, period. They chose their friend and there is noting we can do about it, although it was not for the lack of trying on our part. Eritreans may asks themselves, for the lack of better term, ” why do they hate us”. It is reasonable question which needs 60 yrs of history reference. Not to answers it well would be blaming the victim.

      • Fnote Selam

        Saay,

        The ‘the world hates us’, victim-hood mentality actually gives a strong emotional imputes for many PFDJ supporters to stand by IA no matter what. It clouds their reasoning and they immediately invoke that mentality when challenged with the indefensible situation back home.

        Best,

        FS.

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Fnote Selam;

          You put it exactly right; the PFDJites try to sell us the false idea that it is we the people of Eritrea against the rest of the world; when the reality is and should be the Eritrean people against the rule of the PFDJ. It is a typical tactic of authoritarian regimes to blame foreign threats to justify and draw attention away from their wrong internal policies. I think, once the majority of Eritreans understand our main enemy is at home-IA’s PFDJ, then the struggle would gather the important momentum needed for change.

        • Hope

          Come on guys!
          But U cannot refute or forfeit history!

  • Fnote Selam

    Awatinos,

    You may not have a section dedicated for such articles, but putting this option piece under ‘Gedab News’ looks like a poor choice. At least a disclaimer of some sort might have been appropriate.

    Thanks though as usual!

    FS.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    I have a question: let’s say there would be an attack or sabotage on the Bisha mine that sets the mine out of function for a considerable duration of time, eventually leading to Nevsun withdrwaing, would you endorse such an attack, assuming the attack comes from Eritreans who oppose the oppression under the PFDJ?
    PS. this is a question directed to Eritreans, as it is an issue of internal Eritrean affairs.

    • selam

      Yes because the Gold is Eritrean peoples’ wealth not PFDJs’. If not for these mining campanies HGDEF should have been in serious problem by now.

      • Mizaan

        Selam, What is the difference between PFDJ and HIGDEF?

        But I agree, this is eritrean people’s wealth which I hope will benefit the rightful owners, specially the residents in that region, in the near future. Destroying economic institutions, no matter who they are benefitting at the moment, is short sighted. We must believe that one day, the eritrean people will be in charge of their own destiny. Inheriting a crippled infrastructure puts us further down the hole we are in already. Therefore, a better strategy is taking out high level officials one by one and also further isolating IA and PFDJ by exposing their lies and utterly misguided policies.

        • selam

          For ,me no difference . It is two name for one group of people. HGDEF is locally used name
          Isolating the government is not working as planed but the letter can be the best solution if we manage to take the mad man. You see Europeans are coming with their money to rescue him , that is really bad news to the Eritrean people.

  • Mizaan

    In your very last paragraph, you make three diabolically opposite statements. One, I don’t know how Sudanese and Ethiopian intelligence are connected. Maybe they are and you may know something most of us don’t know. The second statement about an assortment of hopeless Eritrean – we have no credible news source in Eritrea. So it is not uncommon for anything to catch fire and exponentially get multiplied in facebook and other social media outlets. Most of us simply heard that Ethiopia bombed Bisha. Our government didn’t come out and say ‘there was no bombing.’ The Ethiopian government didn’t officially say ‘it didn’t happen.’ We have two governments who are driven by hate, retaliation, sucking blood of innocent people and both do not have a grain of truth on their side. So what are we supposed to do? Where do we go to verify anything we hear? Some of us call home and our families do not have a clue. My sister works somewhere in the middle of Asmara and I called immediately after I heard of the Wedi Ali incident. She told me not to believe anything because she had no idea what was going on a few blocks from where she works.

    I like your very last statement, partially. It is not only IA but the whole PFDJ system brought down our country to where we are now. If this was say 1996, none of us would have believed that Ethiopia would dare fly over 100’s of miles inside Eritrea and bomb anything. We would say, nebsom aydeleyuwan dyom. But now, we get so shaken up and so afraid that TPLF will punish us again and nobody will hold them accountable. What if this statement from Al Safaha was completely true: “Ethiopian planes bomb an Eritrean gold mine.” We, Eritreans, are in no position to do anything about it.

    So to those, who go around and demonize TPLF day in and day out, they are who they are and we always knew who they were. But were we are is not because of TPLF, it is because of IA and PFDJ. TPLF used IA, PFDJ, and Eritreans in general to launch their journey to complete control of Ethiopia and most of the horn. The hate Ethiopians have against Eritreans is well known and that is why they all rose up in unison in 1998. That gave TPLF a lot of political clout. IA and PFDJ failed miserably at keeping TPLF at bay. Where TPLF is at the moment is because of PFDJ and IA. Where we, Eritreans, are at the moment is because PFDJ and IA. They are the ones to blame for everything!

  • Ted

    Awahil, Awahil said a wise man. What do they want from Awate team anyways? To make up stories just to please some thuggish personalities. This is the stupidities stunt by TPLF yet. The question “why they go to great length to fabricate lies” lingers more than the bombing fiasco as people play Sherlock Holmes to come up with plausible answer for TPLF’s intent.

    What else is new, the malicious TPLF lovers hailed the action, laughed hysterical, danced” i told you so”. Good job TPLF, You proved their alliance to you and what you stand for in blood and spirit.

    • selam

      Ted
      They (thuggish personalities ) are hungry for blood and also want awate.com to be their sunshine set for their vision. That wish never materialized thanks to awate.com . It can be said some of our brothers and sisters are not happy about this . News especially at this time to most Eritreans who live in the west is a special thing as they can not get the exact hard news. All ethiopian news sites i mean these under weyane pay cheque are hungry for lies and they will continue to lie . What they miss to post on their webpage is the good story about the GRAND DAM, they forget there was a very nice news about the agreement between Egypt , Sudan and Ethiopia sorry to the honest people who are hungry for good news , all the websites were on the Bisha mining site bombing.

  • Haile WM

    “Sadly, many of the Ethiopians involved with the dissemination of this news were intelligence-driven. (Remember the first source, Sudan’s Al Sahafa, has strong Sudanese intelligence connection, to say the least.)”

    i don’t understand the connection between the Sudanese intelligence and the Ethiopian intelligence though, why would the Sudanese intelligence disseminate such information on behalf of their Ethiopian counterpart ?

    • Hope

      Haile WM,
      Absolutely,it has been Official that both the Sudanese and Te Ethiopian Governments have a Joint Defense Agreement, which by default, includes Intelligence Agreement.
      As simple as that. Why surprised?
      the question is:
      -As Eritreans, the awate website and its team included, are we supporting this incident, irrespective of who is behind it?
      -If not, then why can’t we Officially Condemn it if we are here for the BEST INTEREST of Eritrea and Eritreans.?

      • T. Kifle

        Hope,
        How and why do you want to condemn a thing that never was?

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear T.Kifle,

          why? do you forger when the news fist came ? I said “ytemetam yaltemetam zem jemere? ” Lol what did you say, and what did Eyobay said and what all others said in something which is not confirmed. the Idea actually was not if the news is true or not. as I told you “tengaraw Asmelash will come to serve the truth” if true to serve the ego of IA. but the Idea was to look the reaction.. when I said “if that happens what shall we do?”

          you see, that is an ego game. enjoy it. the reaction is the ego repair mechanism. Normally we human beings forger the Primary purpose and got lost in branches or external events.

          let me give you an example,
          Long back it was our father Abdulkader Kebire firmly stand for Eritrean national freedom but people with emotion killed him. Short after his death they notice his stand was correct and start struggling for his aim. yet, they didn’t control their ego but only knew Eritrea has to be separated. the main aim of national freedom was not just only dividing it from Ethiopia. so separation was only a transit which can be also turn into unity if needed by both people. through out the journey of our national struggle we were lost in thousands of ego’s and that is what we see a result today.

          If you ignore your inner purpose (for any case including going to heaven) no matter what you do – even you go through heroism and high sacrifices to ward freedom, the ego will creep into how you do it which is called “the means will corrupt the end”. God forbid I am not supporting YG but the differences you see today is the result of past journey. There were two sides one who forgot the main purpose (I am not talking about ELF and EPLF or fronts but the mass) and were busy in their only ego or daily emotions that let them solve every problem in wrong way.

          now, all those zeraf !zeraf! are the nature of the ego, that is thought to be (by the owner of that mind ) a “pathfinder” unfortunately with damaged compass.

          so don’t worry we will continue condemning events not only the past and not only the present but the once we are afraid which may happen. if you flow me I was asking “what if that happen?” God, the reaction was labeling me Ethiopian agent. this is the ego repair mechanism not to accept our laziness. the main reason is not to condemn Ethipians bombing Bsiaha, the main reason is to make sure that will not happen by creating democratic, strong, Eritrea.

          now I am becoming stupid Lol, have a nice time. don’t put me in trouble with Hope.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kokhob,

            Oh come on. You’re already in trouble with Hope. I think we all are at receiving end of his temper tantrum… 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Eyobay,
            The question is what does it take to be high temper. you got to be graduated, but graduated in which field? Eyobay, come on, don’t wait for my answer you know it. instead let me describe high temper- it is small madness.

            peace can be gained in calm mind that becomes the observer and the observed. then only you can have an accesses to enter through the gate of truth joining the peaceful land. Hey, I didn’t say anything about Hope.

          • T. Kifle

            Hi Kokhob

            I learn the news from a friend’s FB status update. While I was pondering on the merits of such raid(I thought it was true then and nothing disproved it even now), I stumbled on Beniam Kebed’s video entitled “Operation MI-35”. I was very much disappointed by the otherwise respectable guy when he unbecomingly add fuel to the fire. There are ways one can justifiably argue about an action, based on the threats the action taker would feel as posed by the culprit regime both in talks and deeds. One can still fairly argue the factory primarily benefits the government to further chain the Eritrean people. That’s why we see many Eritreans expressing over their happiness and still many indifferent to the hitherto unconfirmed news. It’s absolutely normal though some people always play the proverbial ostrich and ወዲ ላሕምና punchline to silence others. All said and done, Ethiopia didn’t say a word. Eritrea didn’t say a word. The so called private company didn’t admit anything of that scale except minor routine hi-caps and act of vandalism whatever that means. So remain where your dear. You will be ሓባሪ ኮኾብ in creating peace by detoxifying the Ghetebs who would surely be another burden to Eritrea if they behave then as they do now.

            Take care.

        • Hope

          Sir, read me fully :”As Eritreans, the awate website and its team included, are we supporting this incident, irrespective of who is behind it”?
          My reaction is based on the analysis and possible case scenarios the Ghedeb News provided us with.
          Please pay attention and respond to what khob Selam said to your comment…and deal with your Cousin accordingly.

      • Haile WM

        hi Hope,
        a joint defence IS NOT by default including an intelligence agreement. but besides that, a joint defense agreement doesnt mean joint attack or joint defense even at military level, that to say if woyanes start a war wouldn’t necessarily mean the sudanese are forced to join them.

        a per the attack that never happened I wouldn’t care… BIsha is not an eritrean Interest, it’s canadian 60% and PFDJ 40% the rest of eritreans get 0% i don’t see any eritrean best interest. Actually all the mining should stop until we have a constitutional government or at least until we have a budget that is approved by a parliament

        • Hope

          Haile,
          I might agree partially in Principle/Theoretically with your argument and assertion, but realistically and practically, I respectfully disagree, Sir, with al due respect..
          FYI:
          The Sudan and Ethiopia; Ethiopia and Djibouti, In fact, stated it officially that they agreed on both Defense, Security and Intelligence…with a simple agenda and motive:
          To isolate Eritrea in all aspects; and even to attack jointly Eritrea, when a war breaks up……in the exact words of Ethiopia/PM Desalegn’s words when he gave a Press Statement about the joint Ethio-Djibouti Agreement. Check them out!
          Let us be FAIR and HONEST, for the sake of Eritrea!

  • ghezaehagos

    Selam AT,

    “As for the Eritreans involved in the dissemination of this farce, it is an assortment of people who have given up on any possibility that Eritreans will ever be capable to bring about change and change can only come carrying an Ethiopian label..”

    Unnecessary, wrong and outlandish provocation. It was reported as a news; as that of the ‘death of Isaias’; that of wedi Ali case and others. People are anxious and very curious to know if it was true. And some readily believed it; some believed something was wrong after Nevsun admitted some ‘act of vandalism’; some tended to believe it because they said that of ‘Tikul-Mai Edgaga’ was true; hence that of Bisha could be…heck, some possibly usually reliable even said, it was ‘drone attack…’

    So Saay, the dissemination of the ‘news’ got nothing with ‘assortment of people who have given up on any possibility that Eritreans will ever be capable to bring about change and change can only come carrying an Ethiopian label..” it is an assortment of people who, in lack of clear and truthful information, relied in whatever information was AVAILABLE. The rest is the usual spin: the debates still raging are prefixed with this, ‘if the alleged attack is true,…’ which quickly deletes that phrase and jump into as if it’s true…would you support it or not….or the implication of it etc…
    Yours,
    Ghezae

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Ghezae:
      As you put it correctly, the debates were not even about the veracity of the news, but about the notion, if Ethiopia was indeed behind it, assuming that this is true, is it good or bad for Eritreans. The heated debated hankered on this issue and only on it.
      Some “assortments” were also opposing the attack even if it came from Eritrean opposition armed groups, because they love Eritreans so much that they have not given up on PFDJ that one day, “hade mealti”, DIA will sit and negotiate for peace.

      • Hope

        Sem,
        You read it wrong.
        We are against any thing that hurts Eritrea and Eritreans, directly or indirectly.
        The Mining, the bridges, the Colleges, the Schools, the Hospitals, the Dams, the Clinics, etc.. were not/are not built by the PFDJ but by Eritreans for Eritreans…..with minimum compensation and incentive.
        There fore:
        By simple Logic 101, and by default,It is beyond unfair and Terrorist Act against Eritrea and Eritreans to destroy those infra-structures built by Eritrea and Eritreans.
        If you want to target the PFDJ or the culprit, do so the way it should be, not in a cowardly way,

        • Hope

          Addendum:
          Sem,
          Before you finish your response, under “any thing and any body that hurts Eritrea and Eritreans”, the following are included:
          -The Weyanes and their Agents-both covert and overt ones-some of the hired Opposition groups included
          -The PFDJ-its covert and overt Agents included
          -The Opportunists
          -The CIAs and the Mosad,the M-16
          -etc…

          • Semere Andom

            Cousin Hope:
            You are making up thing, dreaming or hearinving whispers. No one is advocating bombing schools, Hospitals unless it is PFDJ or ISIS. I made my case to Tes by saying the Bisha is what is keeping PFDJ float financially by stealing the wealth, so targeting Bisha to scare foreging thieves and stopping PFDJ, the local thieve does not impact the lives. If you oppose this and oppose the Asmara attack, you oppose the Forto then that is your choice, but Eritreans have run out of cheeks

          • Hope

            Sem and Abrehan:
            Nothing is made up here!
            Do not act like a child!
            Bisha Mining and Civil Garage with an Infrastructure machinery for the same Bisha and related Economic Infrastructure are the same with Colleges,Schools,Dams,Hospitals and Clinics’
            I was an eye witness of the cowardly destruction of a /the Barentu Hospital few yrs ago by the DMLEK!
            Now you are telling me the Bisha Mining should be destroyed!
            Then you will tell me that in the near future that the Bada and Culluli Mining should be destroyed by the RSADO,of course with the help of the TPLF Commandos!
            Wether U like it or not, the Bisha Mining Imcr has contributed :
            -to the employment of lots of poor Eritreans
            -construction of Hospitals,Clinics,Schools,Dams,not to mention the upgrading of the Massawa Port,etc.
            My point:
            Destroying the Economic Infrustructire of a Nation under serious Sanctions and existential threat,by any entity,is but a cowardly and Terrorist Act by any standard!

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Hi hope;

          Please do not make up something: no one has said colleges, hospitals or schools have to be targetted. But the economic muscles of the regime should be degraded, so that the regime no longer could use them agaisnt the people as it is doing now. As always never equate PFDJ or IA with the Eritrean people; PFDJ or IA do not represent Eritreans’ interests, on the contrary they are against the well-being of Eritreans.

          In fact all foreign mining companies should be warned to stop conducting business with the criminal regime, or otherwise they risk complacency in the Eritrean people’s suffering and should face the consequence.

    • saay7

      Selamat Ghezae:

      I respectfully disagree: it was necessary, right and prudent to reach the conclusion we did.

      Kbur Ghezae: For years, I took the position that ANY opposition is good opposition. For years, even when it dawned on me that some of the opposition does nothing but sabotages other opposition; that it gets the silent majority to be silent, I was silent. Now I am saying that the opposition (including its media, including us) deserve to be criticized, to be question. I don’t exempt us from criticism, as many have done so in these pages. The “let’s cover-up the opposition’s mistakes” gets you the same thing it has gotten the Isaiasists “let’s cover up its mistakes”: a dead organization, paralyzed, hobbled, with no movement forward.

      The opposition were, collectively, what we are good at: ‘reactive.” We will have another reactive moment now as EU has announced it will provide development help to the Isaias Afewerki regime. All the 3-days worth of hyperactivity of the “Bisha bombing” was from the “teHangwirna kn’atu” crowd: people who don’t own their agenda and just have a thumb-up ready to hitch a ride, regardless of the character of the driver of the bus.

      That’s what the Gedab News analysis is observing. It is criticizing what our mothers used to describe as “ዓቢ ዓዲ መቀነንይአን ነይስእና”: the ladies at Abi Adi (because it is a relatively big town) have always something to talk about:) That’s what we in the opposition have become. Soon we will move on to another bus to hitch a ride on. That will not change until we create an independent, vibrant opposition. And to do that, it requires, like any movement, to shed its dependent opposition.

      saay

  • selam

    The picture they used was all foto shop and some are also the air plane that vanished in somalia, Can you imagine an attack on a mining to stay 2 hours and burning like a petrol station ? The Ethiopian websites are married to lies and we can not blame them . All the photo were fake and there was never ever a bomb blast on the mining site and there was no an attack on the Qehawuta depot. I wonder what is the motive behind all this ?

    Why do news organization lie ? They can lie and make news because in a very secretive country like Eritrea it is a very good news even if you lie. So well done on that , what is bad is that they failed to have any sense of prove , you can not say air bombing while you have no prove. after few days your credibility is to go well down to trash and you will find it hard to report even true news.

  • Elsa

    Awate, u must be joking when you say “.. The most likely explanation is that it was committed by disgruntled Eritrean members of the Eritrean Defense Forces ..”. are the disgruntled members still in Eritrea?

  • Abi

    It is a sad day to see a patriotic song like “fano ” used by a spineless and good for nothing esat. The singer is turning in his grave. Too sad.
    ” ende qola wof ende grissa
    Yarefew libe degmo tenessa”(fano)

    • Hayat Adem

      And the lie is so repulsive! How can they use the same fighting footage for a story that was published in April 2007 and March 2015, and call it ArbegNoch-G7. G7 was not even born in 2007. You also hear Tigrigna walkytalky talk in the video which is not the language of EPPF and G7. That means the fighters are either Eritreans or Dmhit. They (EsaTs) really suck..

      • Abi

        Hayat
        Let’s call them yeEsat erat.
        ” kenug yetegegneh seliT
        Abreh teweqeT”
        T Kifle is around for Geez translation.

        • T. Kifle

          ከኑግ የተገኘህ ሰሊጥ ኣብረህ ተወቀጥ
          “ሃሊሉ ንዝመፀ አድጊስ ኣኽቢድካ ፅዓኖ” እንደ ማለት ነው ብ። በጎንደር ትግርኛ 🙂

          • Ted

            “Weshet ena Sinq Eyadere Yiqelale.
            T.K, as Weyanay, can you explain to me what Ben(Weyanay) try to accomplish by this elaborate drama.

          • T. Kifle

            Ted,
            Ben is not Weyanay. I am not sure about what he might gain from it except he was ventilating his anger with the slightest opportunity he thought he had at hand. You will never find a Weyanay bragging about this or that. If he must, they would act. That’s it.

          • guest

            Say Gonder Mashaallah. Tigrinia is also spoken in Gonder? I may have to put that mashaallah city in my short list for retirement. Every thing i heard about Gonder is delightful.Of the many good Ethiopian friends i am fortunate to have, the Gonderies are the superb. May Allah bless them ALL.

          • Hayat Adem

            ከኑግ የተገኘህ ሰሊጥ ኣብረህ ተወቀጥ ~ ብጠንቂ ንቑጽ ይነድድ ርሑስ

      • Hope

        You suck,too,Ms Hayat Adem for your wish of “more advanced and deadly Military attack against a Sovereign Nation. You can’t have it both ways.
        If the TPLF gang and its rings,including the Asmarino(aka Mekelino.com)dependent,Aiga,Tigraionline,Awramba,Ethiopiafirst,salina.com,radio wegahta,etc…. are using this incident for a serious propaganda, why can’t ESAT, mandate or tesfanews use a similar propaganda?
        Hypocrisy at its best?

        • Hayat Adem

          Hope,
          what are you telling me now? you are sometimes lost in translation. I don’t edit those websites or outlets. I don’t fund them. I don’t own them. If they tell me something happened that I know it didn’t happen, I’ll tell them they are lying. If they tell something happened that i wouldn’t know if it really happened or not, I note and wait. If I know them as habitual sensentionalizers and liars in the past, I don’t even note or wait, I simply leave it until something along that comes up. On this news, it looked like something happened to Bisha. Only the extent was not clear. So my take on that was with “if”.
          Hayat

    • T. Kifle

      Abi,
      I am curious: you handle is sexed up lately 🙂

      As to the madness,
      It would have been pardonable if those with pointed tongues were falling-in to the front lines. “Ben’s point of view” leads this club of fools

    • Eyob Medhane

      Abi,

      I wish there were like a hundred more of you.. 🙂

  • Mahmud Saleh

    What’s Awate’s rule?
    awahlil…awahlil..awahlilka ghesm. Good job.

    • T. Kifle

      Mahmuday
      which one is that one can describe in this “news” as good job?. This is just an opinion like all the other opinions we have been into in the last few days.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Salam TK
        You did good job too for reminding folks to slow down for it was not confirmed. AT’s choice of Gadab News is a matter of editorial decision. They could have expanded it as an investigative reporting. But they have done a great job for connecting the dots. The question is not whether something had happened, but if that something was done through Ethiopian airstrike. You have been good at avoiding the frenzy; that’s what I expect from dear awatistas. If you go back and check, most of the comments were not on whether there was an air raid, but on justifying it; and of course, some ofthem on showcasing Ethiopian might. I don’t know how people take a purported act of war lightly.

  • Hayat Adem

    This is too editorialized to be a news story.

    • Ambassador

      I would say too lazy to be a news story. Summarizing sides of stories does not constitute news. Awate would impress me more by presenting their side of the story, which is backed by facts. All this piece shows is that Awate is struggling between keeping their mouth shut for fear of misrepresenting a story and looking inadequate for not saying anything. So goes their solution that they could say something pseudo-smart that would pass for a news story by summarizing other stories while avoiding the risk of presenting a news. Awate’s audacity to imply that other news outlets are not to be trusted is outright pompous.

      • Hayat Adem

        Your last sentence is very worth-noting. But their fear of not taking risk didn’t hold all the way to the last when they said: “The most likely explanation is that it was committed by disgruntled Eritrean members of the Eritrean Defense Forces.” If I may make my own risky judgement, it is a signature line of Saay, his long-held belief of change is only most likely through the regime functionaries motivated for a reform.

        • Citizen

          I completely agree with Ambassador’s analysis. Awat was tested on Bisha. The news happened in Eritrea the very same country the website talks about day in day out. They should have led others in raising awareness about the issue. But they refrained. Why? Either they are sympathizer of the current system in Eritrea or they are infiltrated by the regime in Eritrea or they are a bunch of non-risk takers one of them being SAAY. They could have called Eritrea, Ethiopia, Opposition camps, Canada, Nevsun, etc for information, then take it from their. They have not lived up to their mission statement ”fearless bla bla,” Basically, they relayed on Awate website visitors and tesfanews to come up with whatever they have right now. The strategy you used does not make you an objective reporter. I guess the Bisha bombardment was too painful for Awate team to report. Probably, you were mourning. Awate team could have taken this advantage to show how trusted and objective they are if they were…

    • Semere Andom

      It is an aggregation of the unconfirmed news of the last week, it should have been under Awate Saff Writes instead of Gedab News item. It an opinion piece of AT taking on in its summary on the Eritreans who believe that Ethiopian help is not “haram” by any stretch of imagination with specific rules
      There is the AT that believes the opposition has collectively failed to almost a mallabte toys and there is AT that believes that those who believe in a “booster” help from a country that is in many ways itnrticately woven into our history, culture and armed struggle defeatism.
      For sure those who want to outsource the removal of PFDJ to Ethiopia are wrong, and I have not met one Eritrean in that group yet, sure this idea is not only silly, it is out right lunacy, in the same token the only change from inside crowd are missing the point that daily exodus of the youth puts a strain on every military unit that can effect change. I think there was news item by either awate or assena that reported every military unit has been reduced to half of its regular size due to exodus.

      • Hayat Adem

        “…it should have been under Awate Saff Writes instead of Gedab News item.”

        I agree.

      • saay7

        Selma iSem and all cousins:

        Today was, paraphrasing Hank Williams, Jr, “all my rowdy cousins are coming home tonight.” Cousin Sem, Cousin Hope, Cousin Gheteb are all unhappy with AT. Cousin Hope is so jumping mad he called Gedab News Ghedeb News, too close to Gheteb News.

        Years ago, we had a Gedab News Analysis which is where this would have belonged so your (and others) criticism on its classification is valid. But “aggregation”? “Ehhhh! ileka alekhu.” as an old lady in my hometown used to say. It is curated news, man, get with it.

        Look for the qualifying words of “likely”, “unlikely”, “very unlikely” and that is Gedab News analyzing the news. Our conclusion on what happened and who is responsible is based on a process of elimination: we don’t think it was Ethiopia (the big showy press conference is missing); and we don’t think it was the opposition (the military communique is missing); and how is the Eritrean government reacting to it……so what does that leave us with?

        saay

        • Fnote Selam

          Hi Saay,

          If it was done by EDF, people in Ethiopia wouldn’t be the first to know and break the news about it.

          FS.

  • guest

    Selamta Gedab News. Wa baEd
    1……. If the Radio WegaHta you referred above is the same one brother Tesfai Temnewo was giving his eye wittness testimony of early selfie natsnet/ sha3biyyah era, is / or at least was an eritrean opposition radio station. So probably its a typo that you called it an Ethiopian news media.
    2……. When the Qohawta, Asmara attack was reported here, you mentioned it was carried out, allegedly, by ENSF, but not confirmed indepently. Does repeating that story again today mean it has been confirmed? If so, what was the real damage sustained in that attack?
    Thank you

    • guest

      ” seber zena ” for breaking news? Wallahil 3aal. 3all awi! What happened to our beautiful old tigrinia ” tukkus were”. When they changed it to seber zena, all the news became SEBAR.broken. unreliable. Make sense?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi guest,

        “Sebar Zena” is an asmarino language. “tukus were” is the correct tigrigna for breaking news. You have it, and it is a good reminder.

        • T. Kifle

          Dear Aman,
          No sir, News is by default “tukus”. But the Seber-Zena is a worthy news so worthyto override(bypass) other news items inline and aired as it arrives which means it breaks the sequence of the planned news items. I also doubt if Seber Zena is an Asmarino language. It’s a direct translation and I hear it the first time in the Amharic news service of ETV many years now.

          • Amde

            Its a lazy translation of “breaking News”

          • T. Kifle

            You are welcome if you have a better one.

          • Abel

            Seber is Geez, which could equally be used in Amahric, Tigrigna and Tigre.

          • saay7

            Selam Abel:

            Indeed: “breaking news” is “seber zena” in Amharic too. The best “seber zena”, which won our video of the month in January 2014 was this particular breaking news. And by “best” I mean the most unintentionally hilarious:

            http://youtu.be/hDlN5cbjSfE

            saay

          • Amde

            On this one, i approve what laziness hath wrought. No i dont have a better one. Thank God they did not call it sebara zena. Although this particular one might qualify as sebara zena indeed.

          • Hayat Adem

            I thought seber zena is a good one. this days media are being creative in shying from the cliche of breaking news and say: just happening, just arrived, or developing.

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat..

            I approve its a good one.

            Shhhh…. Don’t mention “developing” someone might construe that as “eyelema yalle”

          • Kokhob Selam

            I heard it Amede. እና ሳ “እየለማ ያለ “ማለት ኣይሻልም ትኩስ ዜና ከማለት ? ትኩስ ካልክ ያረረ ማለት ግድ ይላል :: ደሞም ትኩስ ማር :- ትኩስ ዳቦ:- ትኩስ ወተት :- ሲባል ነው እንጂ ትኩስ ዜና ?

            ሰባር ዜና ደሞ : – የፍቅረኛን ልብ መስበር ኣያሰማም ? አረ ድያ !

          • Amde

            Kokebachin

            Andandu were saylema biqer yimereTal. “ezaw ballehibet” binilew beggo new.

            ewnet lemenager ke “seber zena” “tikkus zena” yemishal yimesleNal.

            lekifum hone ledeggu, mesber, messeber ena mesebaberin min ameTaw?

            “tikkus zena” mebredu ayqerim. Beggom kehone TafTo teqemso, siberdim yinafeqal. Kifum kehone, biyans biyans iskiberd metagesin yastemiral.

            Le fqrus bihon, lib kemisebir, aqaTlo biberd ayshalim?

            Amde

          • Kokhob Selam

            ውዮ ጉድ እንዲሂም ኣለ ለካ !

          • Amde

            Kokebachin

            Enkuan anten temecheh. Lenegeru Tilahunim Asterim lefiqir tolo atiqaTelu bilew zefnewal meseleN. Yenesu kanjet aymesleNim. YeteqaTele geTami yasalefelachwun new yemiyaqeneqinut.

            Isti kenesheTeh ayqer minale and giTim fiqirin betemelekete biticheren? Ingidih “ye Awate.com qonjowa” bilo mederder yichegir yihon?

            lenegeru, yegid qonjo mehonim yelebatim. Bezih lay dimokrasiyawi merhowachinin anisitim. Isti min yilalu kiburinetwo?

            Amde

      • Kokhob Selam

        Tigrinia is in I.C.U. yet to come out of coma. When you have a nation with functional administration, you will upgrade, modify, and create words as you need it in this fast developing Era. for now I could have used

        ህጹጽ ዜና : ህጹጽ ሓበሬታ ” ውዑይ ዜና (ከም ቅጫ ) Lol ወይ ውን ማይ /ንፋስ ዘይወቀቐዖ : መቸስ እቲ ዝድለ ዘሎ ህዝቢ ሓዲሽን ቅድሚ ካለኦት ዜናታት ዝስራዕ ምዃኑ ምሕባር እዩ::seber zena ግን ያዕ !! ጸላኢና ይሰበር :: ትኩስ ድማ እዋእ ቅሩብ ኣምሓርሒሩ ምበር ዳሓን እዩ ::

        • guest

          Loool Kokheb…mimHarHar yiHishenna cab missibibar.AHwatna/ ahatna’yom ke’a. Cab esayasn deqqi mezamirtun do key khef’u. Zban haile sellassie elna’qua nmiHlin ngizzizn neirna. Kal’e yitref, tekhasisna ksab ” CHLOT” ab qidmi Janhoy shekwana neqirrib nierna. Allah YarHamik those good ol’ days. ( relatively speaking ).