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Major General Omer Tewil Died in Prison

Gedab News learned that Major General Omer Hassen “Tewil” died in prison early this morning. His body was not given to his family by the time this news was published.

Major General Tewil was arrested in connection with the Forto incident of January 21, 2013, in which several army officers stormed the Ministry of Information building to broadcast their message challenging the rule of Isaias Afwerki.

Major General Tewil joined the Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF) in the sixties of the last century and was a member of the fourth zone under the command of Mohammed Ali Omero, who was arrested last week in Asmara.

Together with Omero, Mesfin Hagos, Ramadan Mohammed Nur, Alamin Mohammed Saeed, and others, Tewil is considered one of the founders of the PLF1 which split from the ELF under the command of Osman Saleh Sabbe.

Major General Omer Tewil was commander of Brigade 51 during the liberation of Nakfa, and commander of Brigade 61 until the liberation of Eritrea.

He was chief of staff of the Eritrean army during the border war with Ethiopia. The last position he held was commander of Operational Zone #4 and was positioned in Asseb.

After the death of Major General Wuchu, Tewil is the second major general to die in recent months. Out of the six major generals of the Eritrean army, only four are still alive.

For a few days after the Forto incident, Tewil was put under house arrest until he was taken to prison where he remained detained since February of 2013.

Related link: http://awate.com/eritrean-ambassador-to-nigeria-arrested-in-asmara/

UPDATE (11:00 am): A relative of Tewil who lives in Canada is denying the news. We are continuing further verification and will update this news accordingly.

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  • Berhe

    Dear Awate Team,

    Please do not let anyone deface Eritrean symbols on your website. Particularly Eritrean flags, for which so many precious sons and daughters of Eritrea died for. Eritrean liberation front flags, whether it is the EPLF or ELF version, mean a lot to Eritrean families, particularly families of martyrs.

    By all means, people can disagree with the current Government of Eritrea. Have at it. But do not attack any Eritrean symbols. It is wrong and repulsive on so many levels.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Warsayi Warsay:

    Your comment should not stand by repeating the empty chants of awet Nhafash:

    Whether PFDj baptized you with the name or you got the epiphany of the name revealed to you one of your leaders during the summer drinking orgy in Eritrea, the YPFDJ does not stand for liberty, freedom and respect. They are an amalgam of these groups: ghetto and serial failures, who are covering their druggy nature by their annual pilgrimage to Eritrea, those whose lively hood of their families depends on it as their Old-PFDJ parents are gainfully employed by the embassies and consulate of the regime and a few smart, educated and opportunistic who enjoy the freedoms that the democratic countries offer them and use their skills in language and PR to deny that to their compatriots and call the desperate flight of the young kids as immigration of in the pursuit o iPads and iPhones. The last group are dangerous bunch as they enable the PFDJ with their education at the expense of tax paying American, Canadians and other democratic countries.

    In the YPFDJ the PFDJ found how to be fruitful and multiply. The YPFDJ organizers take promising, smart and kids with unlimited potential and create and corrupt them under the pretext of knowing their culture and history by duming them the point they become the blind subservient of the PFDJ to lead the crowd of the hooligans who debauch the history of our country, that is what the YPFDJ are and they are the oxymoron of what our struggle stood for in during its humble beginning.

    • Yodita

      Dear Semere Andom,

      I am of the same view as yours. I will also add that if one is not ‘seduced’ by craving for genuine social justice at the age they are in, it is not a good sign of what can kind of adults they may turn out to be. Adulthood should be founded on a desire, boardering passion, for genuine liberty and justice. My hope of the YPFDJ is low to nil, because it seems like a deliberate choice to be on the wrong side of history. I also agree that parents have a lot to do with it. They are brain children of Yemane Monkey and he is reputed to be a thorough guy, but in this particular case he does not seem to have got it as YPFDJ appears lifeless and weary: full of hot air (or a castle built on sands)!

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Made,
    This looks awfully familiar. A junta with a historical perspective, no doubt.
    Yes, Dergue, with a new name. I tend to agree as the most likely eventuality. My crystal ball is as good as anyone at this point. Knowing our region also, then their will be only one. Our hope is to pray, that one is the good one. In fact a good one is probably what is needed to jump start and put the country on track instead of a wishy washy behavior that might make things worse. However, a 50/50 gamble is what it is.
    One important factor we don’t know well is the current people of the country. People that are changed from all the previous generations. No heavy baggage of traditions and all that is associated with it. It is a generation of common experience and bond. This fused bond they have might carry the day, so says my crystal ball.
    K.H

  • Mahmud Saleh

    warsay;
    YES AWAET NHAFASH

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Awate Team: Please take down that swastika superimposed flag. Haw tes brought another one; I take it as a sign of understanding the significance of the calls. Awate would have never entertained this type of expression. There is a limit for anything.

    • saay7

      Mahmud:

      We are waiting for Tes to remove his offensive pic. If he doesn’t, we will as it violates our posting guidelines.

      saay

      • Mahmud Saleh

        saay7: Thank you for taking a responsible position.

      • tes

        Dear Saay,

        Once I accepted the criticism, I deleted my post, but I don’t know what technicality problem happened., it appeared as GUEST again and I tried to delete it though I failed also.

        Let me tell ask you on how to delete pictures. Is it possible to delete a posted picture? I failed many time.

        And I totally respect the room and I am happy for the delete. Thank you.

        Hawka
        tes

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear Yodita
    Dear Haile Zeru
    1. Yodita, thank you and I agree that any movement could be hijacked, I am afraid we see it infront of us. So, yes, at the end of the day it is the mass/people that should be empowered. PFDJ preaches that it is a mass based front, yet we see it is a cadre based top down elitist front. On the other hand, we see folks who present themselves as justice seekers yet employ reckless tactics that delay justice. Defiling our history of struggle is tantamount to defiling our nationhood for there would be no Eritrea without the sacrifice and values that brought it to existance. It just plays to the hands of PFDJ. Look at the flag below. How could this sit well with any Eritrean? I am communicating with brother tes and I hope he will be considerate and courageous enough to heed the calls.
    2. Haile: a/Thank you for the comment. It’s just an idea, my personal vision or road map, if you will, others may have completely or slightly different; it is for discussion and I am open for it.
    b/ You are right, I should have used different term instead of intellectuals/technocrats, some times words just fly in to your mind and I have not really prepared for it. But the elders and other communal figures were in my mind and I assumed they are part of the participants from within.
    c/ On the opposition: The figures you mentioned are bigger than me and my little framework, they have been in the trenches for years calling for change and I believe they are included; I personally would disqualify people with known checkered past and those who attacked the nation; of course this is my personal view; I am ready to hear yours.
    d/ on the army issue, I agree, please see my reply to Amanuel Hidrat.

  • Nitricc

    And your problem is?
    Forgive me for not sugar coding things.
    I am hoping one day you will call things as they are. It is time you stand up for something.
    Ermias grow some balls between your legs. It is about freaking time.

    • Ermias

      Nitricc, I thought we were cool now. What is the deal bro? Anyways, who are you picking for the NBA finals? I told SAAY before the start of the playoffs that it will be the Heat vs the Spurs. I know you don’t like soccer but the World Cup – 32 days, 32 teams. Go US of A!!!

      • Nitricc

        You know we are cool. Just sometimes you do and say bone head things. Like you were responding to serray and you accused the gedli for creating segregation between peasants and tegadelti are you freaking real?
        My point is don’t try to appease anyone say what you really believe and say it with absolute conviction.
        You are a good man act like it.

        • Ermias

          I don’t think I have ever said anything positive about ghedli so I am really consistent when it comes to that. Other issues, I am as confused as anybody else and so my ideas evolve like yours did. You used to defend PFDJ blindly, now you are becoming a little more inquisitive and cautious. Just for the record, I listen to everybody and at this point YG, Serray, and Hayat are making a lot of sense to me. I hope you don’t get choked.

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas

    here is a sign of PFDJ shrinkage in its supporters.

    Hawkum
    Tes

  • WARSAY@YAHOO.COM

    Though PFDJ gave us the name YPFDJ during the battle with TPLF/Woyanes
    during those days……….the basis for our founding and our Goals and objectives
    were and still are to stand for the sovereign independence of nation Eritrea and
    the freedom and liberity of its people. Nobody should be confused by and judge
    us by the name but by our principle and Goal but it is inevitable like any else org.
    or movement people will betray,quit the young people’s movement to safeguard
    the interest of the people and even surrender to the enemies of their people as
    some very few like( names withheld for the time being) has done it recently.
    WARSAY@YPLF
    VICTORY TO THE ERITREAN PEOPLE !
    AWET N HAFASH!

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas

    Sofia was there (SG, Just I used your words with name change). Sofia attended the last PFDJ meeting in Canada and expressed her grievances for the death of her long tie en-slaver.

    The Death and end times of PFDJ regime in Canada

    Hawkum
    Tes

    • haileTG

      Dear Tess,

      Thank you for the news brother. The only problem I have is the graffiti on that flag of EPLF. If you guys are trying to please my friend Serray, that is not a fair way to do it. PFDJ doesn’t have monopoly of EPLF, as EPLF is our glorious history. I would only overlook if you stamp that signage on IA’s or his enablers forehead. On EPLF flag…hmm not good.

      • tes

        Dear Haile,

        Your concern is good, but the flag is no more for EPLF, EPLF does not exist (at least by name) and PFDJ is using this flag. The graffiti is a sign I put for the atrocities done by PFDJ since birth, 1994. If you still feel unhappy with that, then I would like to watch the youth exodus and is not different from Holocaust, but not of jews like that, but a dictatorial regime in Asmara for his the people that he is supposed to lead by rule of law.

        For me, DIA is PFDJ and if put the graffiti on the PFDJ flag, then, DIA is also have it.

        hawka
        tes

        • haileTG

          saay ትሰምዕ’ዶ ኣሎኻ?

          Brother Tes

          I totally am aware of that and we are in the same side on this. One of the thing I argue for in here is reclaiming our ‘history” from HGDEF (or any shortsighted group/organization) that wants to use it for quick bucks. That flag has ceased to be operational, and the fact that a criminal entity would wave it for the heck of it doesn’t change the what it represented and where it fits in the Eritrean history. I know the anger and devastation PFDJ has wrought upon Eritrea. But if they wave say weldaab weldemariam’s picture would you put swastika on it? We hate PFDJ not anything that it touches, there is a difference brother tes. Cheers

          • Dawit

            It is just a good intention that turned out bad. Don’t be that harsh on a fellow commenter. 🙂

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            I hear you ጫውጫውን ብሩህን (loud and clear) but you got yourself into a dilemma…

            You see, the EPLF flag that carries so much emotional weight and pride for many Eritreans was designed by… Isaias Afwerki and presented to the EPLF at its first congress. ሕጂኸ እንታይ (now what?:) This same flag, slightly modified became the Eritrean flag, which is now waving at every opposition meeting and demonstration.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hey say, classic! ጫውጫውን፡ ብሩህን like it 🙂

            That would only be a dilemma under the common assumption that the “opposition” is neither rational nor balanced. Let’s widen the field a little more to include that the very EPLF we support was led by IA. But what has that got to do with what IA has made of himself and the “PFDJ” that support his horrendous acts albeit under duress? Nothing. It is only in PFDJ that wqaw can be remembered and Gen. Oqbe forgotten about, Nadow remembered Mesfin Hagos forgotten about, Tilahun Gessese mourned and Ahmed Naser denied a burial place… In our parlance, IA would be remembered duly for ALL his contributions, bad and good. In his case, of course the bad would be a tall mountain and the good minuscule by comparison. PFDJ don’t matter because we only see them weaving their hands and lip reading each other. We are against the system that they find a nice home to live in not the persons. Individuals must be judged duly and fairly. So IA or Hagos Kisha can design the flag, the important thing is who died and bled for it. Not IA or Kisha. (I don’t but I heard IA is always ገይሸ ነይረ during battles 😉 Any how, if I understood what you meant, well I hope you trust me (gosh I feel like a sales man who run out of sales pitch when I ask for trust) that IA’s history is his history and we don’t intend to alter it in any way. But it doesn’t exonerate him of other charges that have nothing to do with the fact of designing a flag at some point in his life.

            But seriously saay, what do you make of the heart beat of overwhelming youth in how they were made to feel about their country, history and tegadelti in general? I recommend total cessation from HGDEF as a first stage of a long term healing process. PFDJ II will be such a tragic turn off. Just my take…

            Cheers .

          • Jo

            Selamat saleh,

            Is it only me, or…? There was a very good discussion going on here then, booomm!! out of no where graffiti boy shows up with his childish graffiti, and the original discussion gets interrupted. Can someone remove that picture or the swastika on it so that we can move on to more pertinent issues?

            Hopeful…!!

          • tes

            Dear Jo,

            You can, but still what ever you propose as a transition to democracy is meaningless.To knock an equilibrating mind is not easy. But, I am doing it.

            Just cool down and go back to your proposals. I am here to stir the mindset of PFDJites and uplift them to a new equilibrium. And this new equilibrium will be ready to accommodate for what you and other elites are preparing for. Let me handle this emotion which is coming from PFdjites and PFDJ-DIAites as well as tegadelti neber.

            I am designing for you a house (a new mindset) for your proposals and be sure about that I have enough capacity to design for what ever you are proposing for. This is social engineering.

            Hawka
            tes

        • saay7

          Tes:

          That is the EPLF flag (notice the yellow star, not yellow olives.)

          I don’t know what the context for this image is, but I don’t know what context would explain it: this flag means a lot to a lot of people and drawing a swatiska on it is about as a stupid thing to do as any that has come across my screen in forever.

          Even the “PFDJ flag” (aka the Eritrean flag): I see it waving at every opposition meeting demonstration and the ones who insist on carrying it are the Eritrean youth including those who were in agelglot. Including the asylum seekers in Israel. Including every Eritrean youth group that calls for the removal of the Isaias regime.

          So this is a classic case of failure to communicate.

          saay

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Saay,

            Here is the Eritrean flag. PFDJ’s flag is different, it is a flag for the front. PFDJ is as bad as Nazi to Eritreans. If you are not happy with that, then, this is my view to PFDJ.

            One thin I am sure here, I did not put on the Eritrean flag. I am not blind with that.

            Hawka tes

          • tafla

            Tes,

            It’s just a peace of cloth, whatever you so with it doesn’t bother me one bit. But to claim that PFDJ is like the nazi party ans it’s leader Issias is Hitler is equivalent to saying good bye to all credibility and a sign of lack of proportions.

            Yellow represents Golden Prosperity, Red…sacrifice, and the blue and green is familiar already.

          • tes

            Dear Saay,

            PFDJ’s flag is different from that of Eritrean people’s flag. Some claim the old and people’s flag as legitimate flag and some support the new flag that was raised after the referendum in May 1993. For me, the flag that we fought for should be raised to its position and the newly designed flag is an imposed flag. Though this is my view, public choice when we have to do is matters. For the time, I will stick withe flag that is representing Eritrea at international level till the dictatorial regime is removed from power.

            But the PFDJ’s flag is a flag with a star at the center, not an olive.

            Hawka tes.

    • Saleh Johar

      Tes, I don’t understand what are my words that you “used with a name change”?
      Can you explain what the expression of grievances were? What I got from your comment is that there was a meeting in Canada. Please elaborate if you think it was a significant meeting.

      I agree with Haile on the swastika.

      • tes

        Dear SG,

        Your words I mean, the Title of your Book (Miriam was there). And the meeting was reported by shabait and it is a clear sign on how much PFDJ members are wiped out.

        Thank you

        Hawka Tes

        • Saleh Johar

          Tes, I will not forgive you for that. Miriam got there after going through a lot of agonies and suffering. How dare you compare her to a crime peddler? As you know they are poles apart. Cheers

          • tes

            Dear Saleh,

            Oh no, sorry. I understood now my mistake. Not deep into that. the approach is completely different. “Miriam was here” has different history. But Sofia was there to show her grievances of PFDJ’s death, just simple and I know how Sofia has played in creating the divisions and chaos among the diaspora people.

            Big sorry brother. I was not meant that much.

            Hawka
            Tes

          • Berhe

            tes,
            How dare you deface the flag of the heroic tegadeltis that brought you independence? It is their flag. Are you stupid? This is not going to endear you to the Eritrean people.

          • tes

            Dear Berhe,

            Cool down. I can easily understand from this emotional eruption how much PFDJ is protected.

            Pictures speak more than words!

            An easy way to know the psychology of PFDJ sympathizers. You see, the half-hearted are popping to protect the FLAG. hmmm.

            This is what I am looking for, the one that I am searching to dismantle it. Not the history, but the feeling to protect the spirit and system of PFDJ. yah, the PFDJ-DIA will not be happy with this as they want to keep everything except DIA.

            I will fight for destroying this mindset. Just cool down now and take your time. The ideology is deep inside and it hates full FREEDOM. the one who adopted SLAVERY as way of normal life will not welcome FREEDOM.But, I will work for it till all Eritreans welcome FULL FREEDOM.

            hawka
            tes

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            Hope you will forgive my mistake now.

            Hawka
            tes

    • Nitricc

      This is the most stupid and disgraced things to do.
      Sir, have some respect to those who died believing on that flag. They have nothing to do with what ever you are bitching about. I respectfully suggest you delete your freaking stupid and childish post.
      Respectfully;
      Nitricc.

      • Ermias

        First there were the words – stupid, disgraced, bitching, freaking, stupid, childish. These words were then gracefully followed by “Respectfully.”

      • tes

        Dear Nitricc,

        I think you completely forgot what our Martyrs fought for. They Eneither for EPLF nor for PFDJ. They fought for Eritrean people. And, Eritrean people’s flag till 1993 and for some till now is not. If you are telling me that our struggle was for PFDJ flag, then, we are totally in opposite direction. In fact we are, but in our historical interpretation. Actually, I can accept if you are PFDJ/Y as history for you is totally different than that of the TRUE Eritrean history.

        Our struggle was not for PFDJ but for the people and the people’s flag was kept aside by PFDJ.

        hawka
        tes

    • Ermias

      I wonder which one Ali-S is? If he is the one holding Sophia, I am going to throw up.

      • Pappillon

        Dear Ermias,

        The fact that Ali Salim is a late comer to the PFDJ troupe, it must be the guy on the far right who seems to be in a hurry to catch the “say cheese (read: let’s-bend-over-for-Isaias) moment.”

        Haft’kha.

        • Nitricc

          Pappi you should stop and think why people with Ali Salim are pondering toward PFDJ?
          Call Ali Salim all you want but I am sure you won ‘t say he is slow. So, pappi I ask you why is that? Think.

          • Pappillon

            Nitricc,

            What are you trying to say? Elaborate please.

        • Jo

          Selamat Pappillon,

          “…let’s-bend-over-for-Isaias…” I thought you were a lady? I would have expected any lady, let alone one of ours to utter such “ufff!!!”. How owe full!!

          Just an observation.

          • Pappillon

            Jo,

            I didn’t mean that way. My apologies. For real. I meant to say, let’s bow to Isaias. Awate team, my apologies. I never meant it that way.

          • Jo

            Pappillon,

            No problem!!!

            “To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish.”

          • Ermias

            Jo, since you are a lazy PFDJ goon, I did a little research for you to help you understand what the idiom ‘bend over backwards’ means. See below (that is what my darling Pappi meant):

            One typically bends over backwards not just for someone in a higher position than oneself, but also when the person you’re doing it for shows LITTLE REGARD FOR YOU, because they know they’re in control due to their station.

            People who bend over backwards often assume a submissive role, which is not to be mistaken with there mere seniority that a boss would have over you at work.

          • Jo

            Selamat Ermias,

            Seriously!!!!? I guess you didn’t read how elegantly Pappillon responded bellow, did you? You know for the sake of civility I choose to let it slide.

            With due respect.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      salam tes:
      1. Your right to express your views understood, this does not serve the purpose you are promoting. Please take that infamous swastika off this historic flag; I implore you to do the right thing. It is too offensive to many who fought under this symbol. It is wrong to defile the history of many gallant fighters who can not urgue with you simply because they perished to give you the country you are trying to improve. It is not a mere rug; it’s history.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Saleh

        We should be afraid. I have ready many sentences and I have also many vidoes that label PFDJ as Nazi, thousands perished, more than 10, 000 are still in prison and hundred thousands already and are living the country. And this is because of PFDJ. PFDJ is a system that is creating all this crimes against Eritrean people. Let’s make this clear fact. No excuses for that.

        I am talking about PFDJ and its symbol.

        But yes, EPLF had a flag and here I have attached it

        Hawka Tes

    • saay7

      Tes:

      You keep doubling down. Please pause and listen:

      1. The flag that you have defaced with a swastika is the emblem of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front (EPLF).
      2. The flag that followed it, replacing the yellow flag with yellow olives, is also a production of the EPLF. It was raised at the UN on April 1993. There was no PFDJ until February 1994, so it can’t be a “PFDJ flag.”
      3. The flag that preceded it (and which was flown by the ELF AND the EPLF until 1993, and still flown by many nationalists), the blue background green olives, was raised in Asmara in December 1952 and lowered by Ethiopia in December 1958.

      All these flags, emblems, dates mean a lot to your compatriots; so show some decency and respect. Finally, if reason won’t persuade you, maybe the rules will: refer to our posting guidelines here. Pay special attention to guidelines # 5 and #6. You are in violation of our posting guidelines.

      http://awate.com/posting-guidelines/

      saay

      • tes

        Dear Saay

        Accepted.

        hawka

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Tes:
          You should put the swastika on the faces of each YPFDJ photographed including the Sophia Tesfamariam. Whether we like it or not the world knows us the flag. Sophia actually made Anti-Semite comments before and the YPFDJ support her.
          Sem

          • Nitricc

            Semere toothless. Why do you have to the lower class? Shame on you. Do you wanna confront YPFDJ? Bring it on, deal with me. What is wrong with you?

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            You are doing it againt, repeating “toothless” have not you taken your “sirray”?
            I suggest that you work on multiplying you know your what then we can talk.

      • ALI-S

        Thanks SAAY,

        I completely agree.

        In my personal judgement the Swastika belongs with Tes and Sem with all due respect. It is shokingly outrageous that someone would deer to deface a flag that means so much to many. And these are the ones who would replace the PFDJ?

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Ali Salim:
          What do you mean the swastuka belong to Sem? Do you want me to remind you who first introduced whe vocabulary version of theSwastika in our debates in this website?
          I still stand by my words of the YPFDJ as Hitler Youth and Sophia Tesfamariam, who is one of the mentors of YPFDJ and PR person for PFDJ is Anti-Semite as on two occasions she uttered bigotry comments.
          I opposed Tes for imposing the Swastika on the EPLF flag in my comments to him, but I would support defacing Sophia Tesfamariam and the YPFDJ with the Swastika emblem as both are the supporters of the PFDJ, which is in the business cleansing races in Eritrea.

    • Dawit

      Tes,

      People are fighting over the Swastika, fighting as to where the Swastika should be or as to whether it should be there to begin with. 😉

  • Saleh Johar

    Jo, I do not know of any opposition party that targets the people, be it PFDJ or others. This is a propaganda that has been spread effectively and is now stuck in the perceptions of many. But I know so many who wish to weed out the PFDJ institution. That is my position: the PFDJ institution. But then even if some wished it, the PFDJ members are Eritreans with rights and they are no aliens they are our people.. as the opposition members are. But in opposition politics hyperbole is common and you should not take it seriously. Also, remember that politicians always make demands hoping to get say, 50% of their demands. They put maximalist demands knowing they will have to settle somewhere in the middle. You have to see the rhetoric in this light. Believing the PFDJ will play a role after the change is like believing the DEG would have played a role after the EPRDF took over, or after the Deg itself took over from Haile Sellassie. Of course, all the public servants, technocrats and many military officers were absorbed after the change. That is exactly what I wish will happen in Eritrea. But I hate to think that the Eritrean Derg will continue to rule Eritreans after its supposed removal. Weird! Isn’t it?

  • Dear Awatistas,

    All interested parties have put on the table their points in full detail for the one or other solution, in order to win the votes of the Eritrean people. If I were given the right, how would I vote?

    Those who passionately say that nothing should change, and support the notion “the PFDJ and DIA should continue to rule”, have failed abysmally to convince me, because the past 23 years and the plight of the Eritrean people are witnesses against them. Voting for this political view means perpetuation of the plight of the Eritrean people.

    The second group, who stand for “the PFDJ minus DIA”, cannot be proponents of change, because maintaining the system even without the leader will not change the political landscape. The seeds of dictatorship that DIA has sowed and its results, will continue to sprout all over Eritrea and affect negatively the lives of the people, and the status quo will remain the same.

    The third group, who say “the top echelon should be weeded out and PFDJ dismantled”, in my opinion are more convincing; they are realistic and reflect the wishes of the Eritrean people. They want true change and they want to get rid of a decaying organization, which cannot be part of the Eritrean solution in any way imaginable.

    I therefore, ladies and gentlemen, vote wholeheartedly for the third motion.

    • tes

      Dear Horizon,

      Good summary! And I am for the third motion.

      Hawka
      tes

    • Amde

      Dear Horizon,

      My issue with option number three is that it doesn’t answer the questions of “Who will do the weeding?” and “Would the weed dociley await its fate?”
      The answer right now to the first is “Unknown”
      The answer to the second is “Of course it won’t. Are you nuts?”

      Remember in the Ethiopian case, both EPLF and EPRDF were more or less able to step in, stabilize the situation and do the weeding as they see fit. I see no equivalent force in Eritrea.

      I would put money on the next post-Issayas Eritrean government being a military junta of Generals and senor Colonels. People are sick of political ideology cum PFDJ, so PFDJ can’t possibly offer anything to get legitimacy from the people, so it is spent. But people viscerally “get” National Defense and their experience in the National Service, so the military has a huge latent pool of political capital it can use to hop on and stay in power.

      In fact, all the junta has to do is blame Issayas for all that went bad (after a suitably decent interval) and then sacrifice PFDJ for his sins – and that way you get two birds with one stone. You eliminate a political rival. And you buy loyalty from a grateful population. This is similar to the strategy followed by Khruschev after Stalin’s death. He called a special secret Communist Party congress, and had the crimes of Stalin made public. Of course, as part of correcting for these “crimes”, the weeding out removed past Stalin apparatchiks.

      I think Mahmud Saleh gets it, and he is being cleverly proactive in giving the military some piece of the action to forestall them from developing an appetite for the whole thing.

      THEN the political game starts.

      amde

      • Dear Amde,

        The million-dollar question in my mind has always been “who will snatch power from the hands of the PFDJ?” Then, I would say to myself, of course, young military
        officers in the EDF, the only organized body with the necessary muscles. Nobody would bet on the opposition. There are, my friend, two examples that come to mind,
        although, I am sure that there are many more – the Egyptian and Ethiopian revolutions, that deposed the old systems.

        The situation in Eritrea today is much worse than that in Ethiopia of 1974. People are extremely disappointed, saddened, lost all hope, and they are ready to die
        anywhere else trying to escape the inhuman situation in their country than live in Eritrea. Young Eritrean military officers do not live a better life than their soldiers, and they are not beneficiaries of the system. Therefore, they are also victims of the inhuman system in the country. The big bellied and multi-decorated senior officers are detached from the everyday life of the military.

        Remember how HSI was overthrown. Young officers started the fire at some military post at the Somali border. Senior military officers who went to put out the fire were incarcerated, and then there was a chain reaction all over the country nobody could stop, until the emperor and his cabinet were deposed and incarcerated. Most probably, a similar event could take place in Eritrea.

        A Transitional government of technocrats will prepare the country for elections over about 1-2 years, and the courts (civilian and military) could use the muscles of the army to weed out those responsible for the tragedy of the Eritrean
        people. Remember, the civilian and the military do not belong in their entirety to the PFDJ, and you can pick out very easily the rotten apples.

        Now, the Ethiopian factor will be used by PFDJ to scare any would be revolutionary, as it is using it today to remain in power, and many Eris will be uncertain in their minds, what to make of Ethiopia. Of course, Ethiopia will never exploit the upheaval. If she has anything like that in her mind, she would have done it today, and I have said on many occasions why she would not do such a thing.
        Therefore, Eritreans should try their luck by trusting Ethiopia, and go head on to remove the PFDJ junta.

        In my mind, I think that they have no other choice. Is the whole scenario an experimental medicine that would cure or kill the patient? Be sure, not only that it is the only medicine, its efficacy has been tried in other countries too,
        and it has proved successful.

      • Dear Amde,

        The million-dollar question in my mind has always been “who would snatch power from the hands of the PFDJ?” Then, I would say to myself, of course, young military
        officers in the EDF, the only organized body with the necessary muscles. Nobody would bet on the opposition. There are, my friend, two examples that come to mind,
        although, I am sure that there are many more – the Egyptian and Ethiopian revolutions, that deposed the old systems.

        The situation in Eritrea today is much worse than that in Ethiopia of 1974. People are extremely disappointed, saddened, lost all hope, and they are ready to die
        anywhere else trying to escape the inhuman situation in their country than live in Eritrea. Young Eritrean military officers do not live a better life than their soldiers, and they are not beneficiaries of the system. Therefore, they are also victims of the inhuman system in the country. The big bellied and multi-decorated senior officers are detached from the everyday life of the military.

        Remember how HSI was overthrown. Young officers started the fire at some military post at the Somali border. Senior military officers who went to put out the fire
        were incarcerated, and then there was a chain reaction all over the country nobody could stop, until the emperor and his cabinet were deposed and incarcerated. Most
        probably, a similar event could take place in Eritrea.

        A Transitional government of technocrats will prepare the country for elections over about 1-2 years, and the courts (civilian and military) could use the muscles of the army to weed out those responsible for the tragedy of the Eritrean
        people. Remember, the Eritrean armed forces or the civilian do not belong to the PFDJ in its entirety, and it is not difficult to pick out the rotten apples from the good ones.

        Now, the Ethiopian factor will be used by PFDJ to scare any would be revolutionary, as it is using it today to remain in power, and many Eris will be uncertain in their minds, what to make of Ethiopia. Of course, Ethiopia will never exploit the upheaval. If she has anything like that in her mind, she would have done it today, and I have said on many occasions why she would not do such a thing.
        Therefore, Eritreans should try their luck by trusting Ethiopia, and go head on to remove the PFDJ junta.

        In my mind, I think that they have no other choice. Is the whole scenario an experimental medicine that would cure or kill the patient? Be sure, not only that it is the only medicine, its efficacy has been tried in other countries too,
        and it has proved successful.

        (I am sorry, I had to post it for the second time, because I could find the first post anywhere.)

  • saay7

    Haile the Gr8:

    Them are fighting words: how dare you call me optimistic! 🙂

    There is a house, lights out, telephone lines being eavesdropped on. It has double doors made of lead, and shuttered windows with wrought iron. It has a dance floor. Two sounds come out: people screaming and people partying. Some of the screamers manage, against odds, to sneak out the back window, there is only one without wrought iron. They confirm what we suspect: it is a terrible place, full of guards who torture people. Some of the partiers go there once a year, dance the night away, and come back to say yeah, I heard some screams, but, man, what a party.

    You can:

    1. Get a battering ram and break down the door. Battering ram is sold only in Ethiopia.
    2. Wage a commando attack by breaking down the walls. Tons of casualties.
    3. Stand outside with a bullhorn and make a call to the guards to arrest the man in charge.

    Semere Tesfai describes the opposition as people who say, “can you give us your guns so we can shoot you?” Its not quite that bad. What it is, really, is one that gives nobody in the house a clear message that our dispute is not with them but the man (or men) who are giving them the order to enforce the orders. For some, really, how changes comes is entirely irrelevant: their priority is that, when it does, they want to be best positioned to compete for power.

    The PFDJ-II leader is someone who will have been a victim of PFDJ-I. Maybe s/he has been in and out of prison; has family members in prison; exiled; disappeared; tortured. S/he will answer all grievances about how terrible things are with: “I know” and be instantly credible. “I have seen the monster and I know how to slay it.” Doesn’t that have a nice ring? It is Jonas in the Whale story and it is entirely coincidental that the biblical “Jonas” is the Koranic “Younis”.

    saay

    • haileTG

      Hey campaign manager saay:)

      I retract my early salvo (optimist), let’s rephrase – I see ya counting ’em chicken! (actually only kidding I remember when you refused the presidency awatistas offered)

      Now small and significant correction. There has not been 23 yearold opposition. Pre 2001, there were little, disconnected independence war era, ethnic or religious based oppositions. 2001 – 2009 (pre sanction) was great time of confusion, from 2009 – 2013 (Lampedusa) progressively growing grassroots and opposition and 2013 – now a serious and widespread mass opposition including people who were ardent supporters or notable individuals…

      So, it is really misleading, Party manager saay, to claim that 23 year PFDJ existence was shadowed by 23 year of opposition existence. Don’t buy into that PFDJ I style campaign techniques 🙂

      The stage one for me is a military take over. Period. The PFDJ are shown to be incapable of the guts or knack to put up any challenge. They are as good runners are the rest of us 😉 The army is home to individuals like Said Ali Hijay who have proven back bone. They can laugh in the face of death and it is their credo and reputation that is enabling the regime to suck us dry. That is why the regime capitalizes on the heroism of the forces rather than the feat of any PFDJ member. Eritrean good will starts and ends with the ghedli linked military achievements. The EDF has paid the price in external conflicts that the country went through. They can make REAL connection and garner REAL support and REAL appreciation of the people. PFDJ, past and present don’t really have much credo. They have no dignified aura and IA treats them like hopeless children. They can’t even be heard discussing in cabinet meetings. These are useless opportunists who are only looking for a backdoor entry to an opportunistic second chance. The EDF traces back to the history of Ghedli and has generational connect with our history and so on. HGDEF si nyew belo de’a anta entay bedilnaka nezom qurdid 🙂

      cheers

      • saay7

        Ha Hailat:

        Well, we are in agreement on Step 1. Of course, by “PFDJ takeover” I mean military takeover! What do you think I meant: Salma Hussein or Askalu Menkorios? 🙂 But they will (should) have the smarts to present us somebody in civilian uniform as the spokesperson. Their own Yemane Gebreab/Gebremeskel.

        saay

        • haileTG

          Good saay, let’s have this agreement clarified then because campaign promises never seem to materialize after the election:-)

          By army take over I am also hoping the Eritrean people to be shown in black and white that PFDJ is no more, fear is no more, their chains have come off for good, free at last. I am referring to a situation where the Eritrea armed forces (ground, sea and air) effectively take charge of all of Eritrea’s day to day running. Complete and total disintegration of PFDJ must be made visible to the terrified population in dramatic and real fashion. There was a reason why the Iraqi and Libyans were made to witness the humiliating death of their dictators. Because fear was a huge psychological issue in those systems. Something dramatic needs to be presented to the Eritrean people to show them that PFDJ has finally crumbled and is no more. There is no PFDJ II or III or IV, they shall fear nothing or no one. Their miseries are over, it is a new dawn, a new day, a new era. Change they can believe in, reconciliation based on forgiveness rather than by a gun pointed at you head by the PFDJ II, likely children of PFDJ I. The latter would only drag the struggle further, the suspicion deeper and as I said the conflict even more entrenched into possible civil war and civil strife.

          My army takeover scenario involves that of impressing on the Eritreans from all walks of life, all social groups, all faith groups, all political persuasions that they free at last. PFDJ has gone for good, it has been defeated at last, the people have finally been given back what they fought for 30 years and was hijacked for a quarter of a century under merciless dictatorship run with the support of PFDJ. PFDJ, the gruesome term of reference to Eritreans would finally be rejected, banished and completely abandoned (the system). PFDJ under whose watch two generations of youth were brutalized, under whose watch people were locked up in animal like situation for over decades, under whose watch Eritreans descended into the the miseries human trafficking, mass tragedies, total indignities to the dead, economic blockade, war, disaster…has finally come to an end. The Eritrean Armed Forces have finally intervened and come to the rescue of their embattled people at a crossroads of total annihilation, is the type of #1 that I am endorsing. PFDJ II would be a psychological terror on the Eritrean people that would catapult the nation into an intractable civil war.

          I hope we still are in agreement.

          Cheers

          • saay7

            Selamat Haile the Gr8:

            Looks like I am getting off your bus again:)

            The first contradiction is, of course, in your preference for your wish where “the Eritrean armed forces (ground, sea and air) effectively take carge of all of Eritrea’s day to day running” with your desire to create a country without fear. Well, the chain command of Eritrean armed forces (ground, sea and air) includes many whose name terrorizes the “terrified population.” So, that is your first bottleneck. If the new military leader tells them he is coming after them so the “terrified population” can sleep better, they will just take their guns and their followers to a place outside the control of our new Generalisimo. What do they have to lose? He can’t even go after the “civilian PFDJ” because everyone has an Aya in the military who will be mad as hell and will create mischief. The job of the new Generalisimo is to set realistic expectations to the “terrified population” and creating a wanted list is not one of them.

            God forbid an Iraqi/Libyan style mob justice. The “high” that the people got was a sugar high, followed by brain freeze. (time permitting, references will be cited.)

            to be continued…

            saay

          • haileTG

            Consider in your continued response that I am kinda saying the middle ranking armed forces. Again don’t forget our role as the diaspora. We are powerful we just need to recognize it. We will have a say on the new generalismo’s calculations, budget and wishlist fulfillment for all the gadgets he is gonna need. We’ll spoil him, and he will listen to us. We are very nice when we like some one 🙂

  • Mahmud Saleh

    a Hasty proposition of Aboy Mahmud

    1.PROVISIONAL CARE TAKER GOVERNMENT: FOR DURATION OF 30 MONTHS WHOSE CABINET INCLUDES 1/4 EDF,1/4 INTELLECTUAL FIGURES NOT ALLIED WITH CURRENT OPPOSITION AND PREVIOUS ONES, 2/4 FROM CITIZENS INSIDE ERITREA (TOP LEVEL PFDJ CADRES, INCLUDING GENERALS AND OPPOSITION LEADERS NOT ALLOWED); THE EMPHASIS IS ON EXPERTS AND NOT POLITICIANS; PEOPLE WHO COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO STEER THE COUNTRY TOWARDS NORMALLY AND STABILITY;

    2. NO POLITICAL ACTIVITIES DURING THIS PERIOD

    3.THIS TRANSITION PERIOD INCLUDES

    A/IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS

    B/TAKING CARE OF IMMEDIATE ECONOMIC AND SECURITY ISSUES

    C/ REVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION

    D/SPECIAL COMMITTEE (COMPRISED OF NON-PARTISAN EXPERTS, RELIGIOUS AND ELDERS INDIVIDUALS THAT PREPARES MATERIALS/EVIDENCES ADMISSIBLE EITHER IN COURT OF LAW OR HELPFUL FOR NATIONAL RECONCILIATION EFFORTS.

    E/ CALLING FOR THE PARTICIPATION OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING PEACEFULLY FOR A DEMOCRATIC CHANGE; CALLING FOR ERITREAN EXPERTS TO HELP WITH TECHNICALITIES, TO SERVE WITHOUT PAY; AVOID MEDDLING OF “FOREIGN EXPERTS.”

    4. PREPARING FOR A REPRESENTATIVES CONSTITUTIONAL AND RECONCILIATION CONFERENCES.

    5. PER SCHEDULE AND AFTER 18 MONTHS, A TWO PRONGED PROCESS BEGINS

    (i) revised constitution goes to representatives

    (ii) national reconciliation process and procedures bill draft which could not be different from the articles drafted in the constitution (particularly bills of rights issues) goes to representatives conference/congress; will decide what crimes go for prosecution and what pass on to reconciliation process (it could be simply signing papers of admission and ban from political life to public confessions….the focus here is to use our traditional values like forgiveness…etc and focus on moving forward…discouraging revenges with strict legal protection and educational campaign.

    5. The next year includes, civic educations, including citizen empowerment, elections, government..party..(this is an area that has been neglected, most of our muhurat, including here in Awate assume people get what they are talking about; most Eritreans are still politically illiterate, communal oriented who could be manipulated by few vocal or abeyti Adi (big men); that’s what happened during Matienzo, that’s what had happened during ghedli, Mengstu.. and thereafter. ደሞክራሲ ናይ ውልቀሰብ ሕርያ ምዃኑ፡ ሓደ ሰብ ሓደ ድምጺ፡ ትምህርታት ዝወሃበሉ ግዜ ” ክልመትና ታ/ ቃልና እያ” ዝብል ልምዲ ጸረ ደሞክራሲ ምዃኑ ዝጉስጉሰሉ ግዜ… a period of consolidating the idea of reconciliation, a period of consensus and confidence building. (6-8) where the non-partisan public mass media plays a leading role and may contract it out to private but under the public license and supervision.

    6. Constitution ratification through

    (i) a fairly representative body of all stake holders with particular care to women and ethnic minorities

    (ii) referendum

    (iia) all opposition parties, organizations..personalities who waged war on Eritrea during PFDJ era or during the provisional period are expected to face the same justice PFDJ faces

    (iib) all those who committed crimes against humanity (pfdj) and high treason (may be some opposition…) go to court..get banned for life from political activities.

    (iic) Crimes against humanity and high treason may be defined by the representative body or by laws it ratifies.

    (iid) this assumes no collective condemnation; if pfdj or any other opposition seeks to resume political activities, as long as it abides by the parties law, that’s fine because the criminal components are already taken care of. You should not ban a party, including pfdj on ideology basis, let the people or “political market”decide.

    7. parties, elections..mass media laws are approved

    8. forward towards a domestically driven elections..formation of government…

    9. ጸሓይና ከይተጎላበበትን ከይሓፈረትን ዳግማይ ብምሉኣ ትበርቕ። And happily ever after, we live!!

    10. It’s not a dream, it could be done.

    ** Time table may be slightly different or adjusted.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Mahmud Saleh,

      I read your proposal and I might tend to agree with all your point except with the composition of the care taker government. could you refine your point No-1 before we start to interject our idea to it. I think you said yourself it is a hasty proposition. You sound your reading to our political problem quite remarkable and your attempt to find resolution however at time vague due ti its complexity of our politics, is commendable. Just try to find the missing links to find the mirror that we all can see our images. Good job, by far you excel Saay who want to give free ride to PFDJItes.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        salam Amanuel;
        Its and idea and I am trying to see how we could
        a/ build on the good stuff acquired so far rather than eradicating everything and start from scratch; I believe whatever we have made progress on so far, be it government structures, cadres not implicated in crimes and abuses, we have to utilize
        b/I am assuming government functions will continue, even police and.army… minus the criminal elements belong to the nation; security apparatus could be dismantled except those highly trained and innocent national security personnel…etc
        b/ Therefore, I am looking on how we can start from a relatively clean slate; unbiased and untainted start. The composition I see is:
        (i) EDF, simply because I believe it could play a stabilizing role, and honestly, I believe, this section of our society has paid dearly in protecting the country and whatever construction schemes we might talk about. I can assure, except the top echelon, its interest is with the people.
        (ii) intellectuals and technocrats: This group is very important. It may include legal experts, historians, conflict resolution experts, political scientists…who had no prominent role in the squabbles of the past with special emphasis, as you always remind us, on making sure it represents a cross section of our society
        (iii) I gave this section greater ratio because of the fact that enduring stability can come only when Eritreans inside the country play a leading role (this portion, of course, will also have representatives in portion (ii).
        c/ Instead of a cabinet I would amend it with a council/bayto, and I would expect the cabinet to reflect the composition of the bayto.
        I hope that will help.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Mahmud,

          Let me make clear on two positions I might have:-

          (a) The EDF is the only institution we should keep intact (off course without the top leaders presumed to have committed little or big crimes because they were enforcers/enablers). If you refer to Saleh Gadi’s input regarding the EDF, it sounds doable. We can leave the institutions of EDF for the junior ranks that haven’t associated with crimes. Second I don’t want EDF to involve in politics as far as they are wearing the badges of an army and the responsibilities to defend the land and the constitution. Otherwise we are politicizing the institution that should be free from politics. Think about it and the repurcations for their future role. If they are influenced to politics with their institutions, it will be the source of coup at all time. Take this point in to account.

          (b) Since it is difficult to scrutinize for those who were in the civil services of the regime for possible crimes ( I am not accusing them), it will drag the process at least for the 30 month period you set for in your proposal. Is there any other possibilities? Give it a thought to that.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            salam Aman
            1. On (a) I agree with you, my intention was to emphasize the need of a defense force whose readiness is not tempered with/interrupted. And it was in part against the back drop of calls against its dismantling. So, if there is no problem with its continuation as an intact institution and its readiness is not compromise, I am fine with keeping it from politics; I agree with you on the need of keeping defense forces out of politics.
            2.On (b) The time table and priorities is negotiable, and actually should be taken care of by the provisional/interim government; I am looking at a process of special investigatory/prosecutor office parallel to the other activities per section (D) of my proposal; I have also skipped the need of interim constitution because it’s obvious. So, i am OK with any reasonable proposal on this; I am sure you are better than me.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Mahmud,

            Even though I enjoyed your narration of many things I see points that show me some warning about your line of thinking in this thread.

            Why would you want to exclude the opposition from the formation of the new system?

            This is really nonsensical.

            Why are you putting (conceptually) PFDJ and opposition on the same level? With your proposition (excluding the opposition) you would exclude Amanuel Hidrat, Hiruy Tedla Bairy, and maybe SGJ etc.. and many others.

            At this point one needs to ask you, what outcome are you looking for?

            Plus the people in the army should stay out of politics and serve the country as per the constitution.
            Under the orders of elected Priminister/president. Any interference by the army is assured disaster.

            Our society is made up of elders, religious leaders who have a lot of influence and I am sure they have a better grasp of the Eritrean society. Why would you invite Technocrats and exclude that section of the society? I see the shaabya attitude cripping here.

            Regards,

    • Yodita

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      The Framework you have outlined, in particular No 1, in my humble view, is inclusive where needed (I mean EDF) and exclusive where necessary. I think that if those called to play it out are driven by a sense of purpose and commitment, with some amendments where deemed fit, it would take off. It is the quality of the players and their world view or lack of it, their honesty or dishonesty and a host of other characteristics that give life to the Framework. Ethiopia’s quite and bloodless revolution was stolen by a ruthless Meto AleKa in the army and the flow of blood was his trademark! Only one individual can create havoc when situations are volatile.

      Selfless and democratic persons could take a Framework like this and diligently work towards: ” ጸሓይና ከይተጎላበበትን ከይሓፈረትን ዳግማይ ብምሉኣ ትበርቕ። And happily ever after, we live!!”

      Having said the above, I happen to be an incurable believer that our society is loaded with common sense and respect for each other culturally, notwithstanding the modification and alteration imposed on it mercilessly.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Sis Yodita,

        Do you really believe EDF to be part of our political process? Or am I wrong reading you comment , when you say, “inclusive where needed (I mean EDF)”? If I am right in understanding you, Aren’t we politicizing the EDF institutions which should free of politics? Hisebulu DeA.

        • Yodita

          Dear Amanuel,

          I think during the transition set up (30 months), leaving them out may be perceived as exclusive. Once the transition period is over and the constitution has everybody’s blessing and can be implemented, the constitution itself may deem that the military should be free from political affiliations and the building of Institutions and a democratic Eritrea governed by the rule of law will thrive in earnest.

          I think it is better to include than to exclude at that point in time.

          PS: Amanuel: please note I am saying all this well aware that I am neither competent nor coversant about the matter. Once we get there, I am sure that there will be those who are competent (yourself included) who will have their say. My immediate concern is when are we getting there?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sis Yodita,

            Don’t take out yourself. And no body will take you out, as we all do know precisely your contribution in our debate and duly recognize your knowledge that put you within the pool of our intellectuals in this forum. You are playing a great role in shaping our debate. Stay in the loop.

          • Pappillon

            Dearest Yodita,

            Your weighty intellectual forte is being felt by everyone with in the corridors of Awate and I am sure, your contribution is not going to be limited to the virtual world but you sure have a lot to offer to your people in post-tyranny Eritrea as well. That said however, I have a question for you and hope you could shed some light on that. Would you consider including a political party whose kernel platform is centered on Union with Ethiopia otherwise known as ማሕበር ኣንድነት.

            ሓፍትኺ

          • Yodita

            Dearest Pappillon,

            Sorry for the delayed reply. Yes I would because in the final analysis, it is the majority of the people who would decide whatever it is they want. BUT not at this point in time!! I ask you: let alone in our country, even in the so-called advanced ones, is there a fair play in politics? The manipulation can turn people (at worst) into puppets (I have in mind the ሓደ ልቢ ሓደ ህዝቢ monstrosity that bigot the N.
            Koreans).

            In a conscious and sane society, people should be free to decide the parties they wish to form and openly work for it. I lived in a country where there were both extreme left and extreme right (in both cases they resorted to some terrorist acts) but they were marginal. Main stream would not relate to them. In our case, the culture of democratic exercise is NIL. We must necessarily tread cautiously.

            I even dream of a Horn but I know it is just fantasy in my life time. Someone (I think Ermias) once said that I was or sounded like a super-nationalist. I laughed because I believe I am a regionalist and even a globalist. Most dividing and sectarian phenomena serve a minority and not the majority at the bottom who are used and abused by the crafty minority.

          • Yodita

            Dear Pappillon,

            Now I am turning the same question to you, although for the way you ask I presumed you would consider it even at this stage. Am I right?

          • Pappillon

            Dearest Yodita,

            I absolutely agree with you. Elements with an extreme view (read: And’netawian) and their platform should be deferred ’till the nation stands firmly on her own feet and smooth transition is secured.

            Haft’khi.

          • Dear Pappillon and Yodita,

            This is what I read lately.

            http://sodere.com/profiles/blogs/ethiopia-is-djibouti-and-djibouti-is-ethiopia

            What do you make of the news? It seems that the horn is changing.

            For how long should Eritrea continue to exclude herself from the new economic and political reality of the region? Is there a danger that it would be too late, when Eritrea finally opens her doors to the countries of the region and beyond, forced by circumstances on the ground?

            Do I propose unity? Not now, not at this stage. It would be a big mistake.

            Do I see Eritrean independence as a problem? Not anymore. Eritrea as an independent nation should continue to exist, if not for anything else, at least for the sake of those who fought for it, no matter whether it was right or wrong. Nevertheless, at the same time, we should know that everything has a price. In addition, what the future may bring is a different story, and one should survive the present to be able to see the future.

            Regards.

          • Pappillon

            Dear Horizon,

            If anything, it is a reversal of misfortune. In 1996, Isaias said something what the head state of Djibouti has alluded. Isaias said, at one point in the near future, the border between Eritrea and Ethiopia will lose its meaning. For the next two years, Isaias was complaint with his medications then things fell apart when he flashed all his medications down to the toilet. That is the only explanation I can come up with. No kidding! It just breaks my heart to see the one not long ago was dubbed a beacon of hope for Africa is reduced into a nation where her refugee production per capita (read: RPPC) is the highest in the world. The header should have read: “Ethiopia is Eritrea and Eritrea is Ethiopia” but of course, we haven’t been too lucky.

  • Kaddis

    Most of the transition five pointers lack one huge element – the discussion of policy –Gash Saleh kind of glossed over it as Merit –

    Speaking of transition from an Ethiopian experience and perspective –
    The biggest advantage of TPLF/EPRDF leading the transition was that they did not consume Dergue’s ‘one Ethiopia’, ‘Banidra Weyim mot’, ‘Asseb woyem mot’, all our neighbours are enemies, Addis Ababa = Ethiopia ….propaganda.

    Their ( and Ethiopa’s in general ) biggest political mess comes from –EPRDF underestimation of how deep Dergue’s ( to some extent Janhoy’s) propaganda was planted in the mainstream political mentality of the society.

    That’s why Ethiopian political struggle to date is not about Policy but the question of legitimacy (such as Woyane should not rule Ethiopia let alone make her progress) and the fate of Ethiopia as a country. Semere Tesfay – look at the Ethiopian older opposition and the new younger opposition such as Semayawi. They are fighting the same fight of restoring Yemehal Ager centric , Amharic speaking or more unitary state like Ethiopia like their older mentors Kinijit, Andinet ….Its not about age – its about the policy or mentality. Eritrea will face more resistance from Shabia’s mentality, including the current opposition would be next leaders, than any form of physical resistance from the falling government
    or army.

    Gash Saleh Ghadi got it wrong as well – when Shabia falls the ideology falls together. No –it will actually changes itself into a more underground resistance and violent form of opposition which will go against any positive change. So try to nurture an ideology which will defeat Isaiasism and make it attractive to bring as many
    ex-YPDFJ, ex- shabia supporters as possible. Many also criticise the current Eritrean opposition for their weakness of the inistitutional structure they built or their capacity to run a stable office but forget to ask them what will
    they bring to Eritrea on policy matters. We have an opposition, United Eth Party
    ( led by Eng Hailu Shawel ) which opened 60 party offices all around the country. Its disappearing: not due to the problem of structure but for failing to sell their ideology. That is also partly the reason – countries like Ethiopia is hesitant to fully
    support Eritrean opposition not knowing clearly what will their policy look like towards Ethiopia or even in Eritrea.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Kaddis

      Thank you for your interest in Eritrean politics and thank you for sharing Ethiopian experience. Having said that, let me make few points about my take regarding Ethiopian and Eritrean politics.

      – You believed TPLF/EPRDF was right when it introduced ethnic based political parties to govern and Ethnic Killis to adminster its regions. I disagree. It was a wrong move then, it is a wrong move now, and somehow, sometime Ethiopia will pay price for it. I truly believe there is no happy ending in Ethnic based political competition. There is no better way than uniting a nation on NATIONALIST fervor and there is no better political competition than competing on a national political platform (ideology). But that is me.

      – About previous Ethiopian politics of “all our neighbours are enemies”: I believe it was true prior to TPLF/EPRDF and it is true now. Ethiopia is at war in Somalia, it is at war with Eritrea, it is at adds with Egypt and probably some more (raising Islam and ethnic issues). I don’t see the improved relation with its neighbors and I don’t see how that kind policy would be sustainable. I believe (I’m sure you would disagree), the TPLF/PFDJ government will never have better friend than Isaias and a better ally than the PFDJ regime. The Woyanes instigated war with Eritrea and others to earn legitimacy to govern. And it (the foreign threat) worked and they are still governing. Again you don’t have to agree, that’s just me.

      – Now to Eritrean politics: The problem with all of the Eritrean opposition is very simple. They don’t have – neither a good product nor a good salesman that could sell their product in the market. Let me be very specific:

      – The main source of the PFDJ problem is foreign policy problem (problem with Ethiopia and the West). The PFDJ government has a policy (reactive policy after 1998 war) and the Eritrean opposition don’t have a credible policy that they can sell – a policy that satisfies Ethiopia and the West, and the Arabs to our North. All they are doing oppose the PFDJ policy without any alternative of their own. And that is not getting them no where.

      – The Eritrean opposition failed to have consensus defining PFDJ, failed to have consensus defining its future, failed to have consensus how to remove it, and failed to have consensus what to do with its aging and ailing leaders. You hear from some a rhetoric “we will bring them to justice” but to bring them to justice, they have to defeat them militarily, they have to put them in handcuffs, and then they have to drag them to court. But they are not capable of doing that.

      – My thing is, we have an old PFDJ leaders at the helm that would be gone in a short period, the younger generation (post Ghedli) are going to assume power soon, let’s pressure PFDJ to transfer power to the young generation and lets put pressure on the young leaders, to modify Eritrean policy and to accommodate opposition parties to compete on a level playing field.

      • Hayat Adem

        ሰመረ፣ ሰመረ፣ መዓስ ኢኻ ከትሰምር ምስ ሓቂ?!
        “The Woyanes instigated war with Eritrea and others to earn legitimacy to govern. And it (the foreign threat) worked and they are still governing. Again you don’t have to agree, that’s just me.”
        When people are aware inside that they are on the wrong side and their argument is weak, their runaway line is “that is just me”. And you are tempted to yell out words like, “of course, that’s you! Who else then? But you could have made yourself a lot better when you side with the facts.” Semere, what is that just-me thing? Do you want to check your facts or not? If you do, then your data is outdated. A 3rd party declared that the PIA regime instigated the war by moving mechanized brigades to Badme at 5am of May 12, 1998. The PIA regime accepted that declaration that it was the one that started the war as verified by that 3rd party. Of course, you know all these issues but you don’t want to update yourself even after the verdict is out and given, and even after PIA officially accepted it and agreed to settle the balance of compensation for the victim of his regime’s aggression. How do you sleep with such kind of denial at adult age?
        Hayat

        • tafla

          Badme was the flashpoint, because Eritrea tried to settle the provocations in 1997 peacefully, but had to resort to force to reclaim Badme and other ares by force and was vindicated by a 3rd party, Badme belongs to Eritrea. Some wise man in this forum with much deeper insight into the buildup of the war said something to the effect…a minor skirmish to fullblown war…Think about it, Eritrea had nothing to win from full out war at that stage in her history, but EPRDF needed to rally Ethiopians around “teaching Eritreans a lesson”.

          • abinet

            Dear Tefla
            This young country, Eritrea, fought all its neighbors in about 5 years of its existence. Don’t you think there was a fundamental problem in solving a problem of any magnitude peacefully. Let’s assume that Ethiopia was at fault for the Badme war. How about the other countries? Why is Eritrea always right? Is it even possible to get it right all the time?
            Peace.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Hayat

          ‘ማዓልኪ ሓያት

          ሰብ እንዲኺ ዳኣ ኣሻቒልኪ ቐኒኺ – ዳሃይኪ ኣይትሓባእ። “You could have made yourself a lot better when you side with the facts – ዶ በልኪ?

          Well, I could only say one thing. I would love to write a persuasive argument about the Badme “border war” on the front page – and I think about it every day. The problem: between my hectic life and the addictive comments at Awate (especially yours), I seems it is going to take me a along, long, long time.

          ግን፡ ወሸለስ ዕጥቕቲ ኩኒ’ምበር – ሓደ መዓልቲ፡ ታሃንኪ ስጋብ ተውጽኢ ክትካትዒ ኢኺ – word.

          • Jo

            Selamat Semere,

            There was a term Saleh used in an exchange with Yodita: “object permanence” and Yodita modified it to “weakness permanence” to describe the short comings of the opposition. It seem to me Hayat is suffering from “fact permanence”. :))

          • Semere Tesfai

            Yodita

            Thank you. I couldn’t agree more.

          • Yodita

            Hi Jo,

            I think you have mistaken me with someone else. I am certain I never said “weakness permanence”. It may be Sara (she seems to have the gumption to challenge SAAY).

          • Jo

            Selamat Yodita,

            Oooopss!!! my bad!! Thanx and sorry for the mix up.

        • Jo

          Selamat Hayat,

          “that is just me” it is not just him “me too!!!” and there are a lot more, albeit silent, others too. We are discussing “la cosa nostra” ( the Eritrean case) please don’t jump in here and derail our discussion to protect your “TPLF”.
          once you swing and kill people in cold blood you don’t have the right to dictate the terms in how the other party should or should not responds. Talk about the verdict!!!! how about accepting the verdict of the border and implementing it? “IT IS JUST US THE ERITREAN PEOPLE”

          Luwam zelewo meAlti!!

          • Serray

            Selam Hayat

            Isn’t it fascinating how these people refuse to accept EECC even when isaias, the guy who ignited it, accepted it without any reservation?

            If it was up to me, I will make it a test whether an eritrea is sane or not by his or her take about badme. One day I would like to write a book, no, an encyclopedia, about the excuses I heard about who ignited badme. A guy takes a knife, cuts their throat, dismembers them and their rolling heads insist that he didn’t cut their nails.

            Here is the sad part; these revisionist are denying isaias ignited badme not because they truly believe he didn’t, but because they have supported it without any evidence and its their way of covering they’ve been taken for a ride by a regime that traffics on its young . I understand people back home going along with shaebia’s nazi like propaganda about the war but in diaspora every news outlet told us in the summer of 1998 that the maniac started it; all negotiations going on then were based on Eritrean army withdrawing from territories occupied on that fateful day in May but here we have people who can not differentiate between a blood thirsty dictator and a leader desperately trying convince themselves that black is white.

            Had it not been for these revisionists, we would have been talking about why isaias ignited badme because 16 years later, the most important question about who ignited the war is why he ignited it. But here we have people who desperately cling to a mistake they made all these years ago oblivious about their role in the subjugation of their people then and now. Even the ones who grudgingly accept isaias started it (after running out of all excuses) still struggle with why he ignited it even after seeing the only outcome of the war was a dark nation ruled by corrupt and brutal regime that refuses to implement a ratified constitution.

            For me, the danger to eritrea after the pfdj is this tendency of reasonable sounding people to rationalize something as glaringly and as obviously wrong as badme. These revisionists are one short step of igniting another war because their refusal to accept the origin of the last one necessarily leads them to contemplate a revenge specially if they happen to be the romantic types who believe eritrea revolves around ethiopia.

          • Ermias

            Serray, you hit on one characteristic that seems rather universal amongst Eritreans – refusal to accept a mistake, correct it and move on. Look at ghedli as an example. There is so much nostalgia and romanticism (as you call it) about it that even when the likes of you point out simple unfortunate events that belong to ghedli, you get slaughtered for pointing out a universal fact. I, not only am sympathetic to your arguments as to how we live b misli ghedli but I do also believe that the legacy of ghedli, which is segregating our people as tegadalay and ghebar, is the ultimate culprit as to where we are. This segregation started in meda and it became even more rampant after independence. Now what resulted is that Eritreans losing any sense of ownership of their own country because they have been programmed to believe that they are not worthy of taking ownership of anything other than losing their sons and daughters to atrocious routes to the West.

            I am starting to believe that we have a much deeper problem than IA, PFDJ, ghedli, etc. Like I said the other day, given the fact that most tegadelti are older now and that there are (or were until recently) more non-tegadelti carrying arms, it is not unimaginable that the young generation could have been able to take action in their favor but Eritrea is not the promised land. They are convinced that what they are missing in Eritrea will find it elsewhere and it is more worth dying trying to find it elsewhere than in Eritrea. They are not dumb. They can see what their previous two or three generations amassed in Eritrea – no wealth, no peace, no happiness, no justice but MISERY. The prime testament to this is when they come here, they show absolutely no grievances against IA or PFDJ or the regime or anyone. They don’t feel like they lost what belonged to them. That is why I say we need to dig deeper and find the ultimate solution. That is where I differ with you Serray, implementing the constitution will please scholars like yourself and others and perhaps me to some extent but it will not get to the root issue, which is the extremely lose affiliation of the post generation Eritreans to their mother land.

      • T. Kifle

        Dear Semere,

        We are talking about an all out interstate war. What does it take to ignite a war with a neighbour in terms of combat readiness of the fighting forces, war plans, pooling in logistics etc? I dare not to convince anyone here since almost everyone, including yourself, know who instigated the unfortunate war we are living to tell.

        The conditions on Ethiopian side prior IA rolled his tanks on Badme

        1. Demobilized more than 30,000 tegadelties leaving out ill-equipped personnel of size about 55, 000 on duty all camped at the centre, south , south east and south west parts of the country)

        2. No single enlistment of new inductees, no military preparation, no procuring of new weapons what so ever

        3. No single military base in the entire expanse of Ethio-Eritrean border (entire Tigray, Afar)

        4. No endorsement of cabinet, parliament whatsoever.(This might make your jaw drop but Ethiopia never declare a war at the whim of an individual. If there was a need to fight Eritrea, it would have been debated at the legislator, publicly declared as the constitution demands as had been demonstrated during the intervention in Somalia and the “proportional measure” on Eritrea adopted after the “no-peace no war” couldn’t abate IA’s orchestration of terrorist attacks and later tourist kidnappings (remeber the Addis-Baghdad metaphor?), necessary preparations being made and I might add it would have never took us 2 years for all you know)

        On the Eritrean Side,

        1. Eritrea prepared its force reinforced with 6 rounds of Warsay and had more than 250,000 strong personnel at the time it ignited the war.

        2. called off the Border commission members led by Gen. Senhat Ephrem that were in Addis suddenly and invaded Badme after they reached Asmara

        3. It simply overrun the militia watch men in Badme, Zalambessa and Bure till the regular forces reached over there and took their positions. (you know, the heavy artilleries, battle tanks and the army were air-lifted and it was such a daunting operation for we had limited air transport capability).

        4. IA boldly told to CNN at the time that what he had learned “in the past few years that might is right” with stream of joy shimmering over his for he caught in Ethiopia “pants down”.

        5. He refused to the call of the Ethiopian parliament that demanded Eritrea withdrew its forces from Ethiopian sovereign territories and went on mocking with his “sunset” parable.

        Dear Semere, I am telling this not in a spirit to paint a rosy picture of the matter as a PR endeavour. Rather with a deep pain of loss that still there are people who recreate their own facts to defend the indefensible. I am seeing a sizeable number of people on here labouring to justify IA by pushing the matter all the way to 1997 and beyond. But the fact is there are always squabbles between bordering people for many reasons mainly for the scare resources they share in common. This is true between people in different states within Ethiopia even between people within the same state. There was nothing more into it other than that natural circumstances mentioned but IA had to find a way out for striking Badme after the drubbing defeat he sustained. So, Semere, that had been a strategic mistake from Ethiopia for neglecting the Eritrean move from day one. The good thing is that now that problem is under-the-bridge and we will not be fooled second time.

        TK

    • dine

      Ethnic based politics never worked all over the world and it will never work, the end result is civil war or genocide. any way we will see who’s gonna lose the most in the near future just wait until the ethnic generation fully control the country.

  • Rodab

    Dear AT,
    I noticed the footnote is still in place. Are you still working on confirmation?
    If confirmed, what would [the relative in Canada] motivate him to deny the news?
    Regards.

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas,

    15/05(1995) is the date that can not be forgotten from the Eritrean history. One of the prominent FREEDOM fighter, Abona Woldeab Woldemariam (May he R.I.P) passed away.

    Abona Woldeab had a vision, to see FREE Eritrea and people to experience full FREEDOM. He wrote extensively in the news that we was directing during the 1940s and later he continued to broadcast a radio programme from Cairo. He came to Eritrea after independence and was lucky enough to see an independent Eritrea.

    What he could have said if is still alive?

    Hawkum
    Tes

  • Nitricc

    @ Fanti Ghana
    I find it your take to be intersting; Nice take Fanti Ghana.
    So, you think I talk trash, huh? What many people failed to realize is that I don’t start anything. When people call me out; I admit, I respond harshly and people think I am the trouble maker. You are not suggesting I sit and take it; are you?
    I am sorry I can’t do that.
    Going back to your take, I couldn’t agree more when you said…..

    “you have to watch for potential kidnappers who may end up substituting a much worst organization for the one leading Eritrea now, and so on”

    This is precisely I support the government of Eritrea. I told once to SAAY, I support the Eritrean government to save my country and I mean it.
    This is precisely I can’t stand the so called oppositions. The so called oppositions are not equipped to handle and deal with the magnitude of sabotage, conspiracy and interference of the TPLF gangs. The oppositions are too disorganized, too greedy, too grudge driven, too rigid and most of all they are too revenge minded. They don’t give a flying hoot about the best interest of the country. The TPLF gangs are working day and night and spending their begged resources on to the Eritrean opposition; have ever asked why on earth they will do that? Go figure, there is a good reason why people stay away from the so-called oppositions and people are starting in to believe that after all PFDJ can be reformed and they are thinking it is the better alternative. Few weeks back when SAAY acknowledged that it is better PFDJ with out PIA and reformed PFDJ for Eritrea, I don’t think he has that much fate on reformed PFDJ but he understood the risk, he understood the magnitude of the unknown, he understood Eritrea could be hijacked by entities’ that are much worst than PFDJ and finally he understood that is the only safest exit. And make no mistake, Eritrea is as good as PFDJ and PIA wanted her to be. If anyone thinks that there is a change with out PFDJ consent and reform then you have no idea what is going on.
    1) PIA is going no where. He will be in power till his maker calls him up. Deal with it.
    2) Any change must include PFDJ.
    3) Any change must be peacefully. And free all prisoners with out any pre condition.
    4) Any change must come from Eritreans, by Eritreans. all Ethics should be represented equaly.
    5) Ethiopia and TPLF must be avoided at all costs during this time of change.
    6) Ban any member of current opposition from participating on this process. Of change. They are contaminated and they cancer.
    7) Every person who sacrificed his time for Eritrea let them in to Eritrea to retire, enjoy and let the government take care of them with some salary.
    8) Let the new generation take-up their own responsibilities and let them run their country. Let them implement the constitution, election and the rest of the nation’s business.
    9) Let the new generation deal with TPLF.
    10) Treat Ethiopia and Tigray the same as Sudan, Yemen and Kenya. No more No less.

    • saay7

      Nitricc Aceto:

      In the words of ማዕበል “ወይለይ ብሪ!” Seriously, though, now you are discussing substance. Honestly Nitricc, a Dr. Jeckyll and Mr Hyde reside in you. Leave the bad Nitricc elsewhere and focus on solution-oriented discussion…

      You have given your outline and whether one agrees or disagrees with it, it is solution oriented. It’s tangible. Let’s see our areas of overlap and areas of divergence:

      1. You support Isaias Afwerki (despite admitting once that he hasn’t had a single original idea in a long time: he is spent) because you think he is a great president. Every time you listen to his TV interviews, you are in a trance. I agree with you that he hasn’t had a single idea in a long time and while all credit to him as a leader of one of the world’s greatest liberation armies is deserved (ኣብ ቦትኡ እንከሎ) he was never a good president much less great.

      2. The “PFDJ-without-Isaias” is, to me, a transitional solution. For you, I think, it is a continuation of a legacy. I support that because it is the least bloody solution but only because Isaias Afwerki refuses to do the rational and honorable thing: to resign. The PFDJ-without-Isaias to me doesn’t necessarily come only after his demise but with PFDJ intervention. From a political program standpoint, whoever competes with PFDJ will not be materially different: the difference is the PFDJ has experience in governance and whoever is vying to replace it doesn’t. A nation, particularly one that has no institutions, needs experienced people for a transition period. (Even the Brits kept the Italians after World War II, and the Italians had institutions!)

      3. I don’t agree that the opposition are grudge-driven, etc. What I say is many are not up to the task (in the same way that Isaias is not up to the task of presiding over a nation) and those who may be up to the task are barely getting started. The opposition is an absolutely necessary component–crippled, limping, rising, galloping: it must exist. Because we need a pressure group to modify the behavior of “PFDJ-less-Isaias” so that they, too, don’t sit in the State Palace and say, “hmmm, I could get used to this.” You know the saying: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      4. Depending on how well we manage the transition, Ethiopia may or may not have a role in our future government. Do you know that when the fate of Eritrea was being decided in the 1940s, how many “other interested Governments” asked to be heard by the UN? Nineteen. 19! So the “over my dead body” declarations are emotionally-pleasing, but if your hero, Isaias Afwerki, follows the path of Siad Barre, don’t be shocked if Ethiopia assumes the role that the West want it to assume: the Neighborhood Watch.

      So here, really, the dreaded Eritrean opposition (either by incompetence or self-restraint) hasn’t done much to accelerate Eritrea following the footprints of Somalia, but your hero Isaias Afwerki has.

      5. Who participates in Eritrea’s political life is something that should be decided not by you or me but by our electoral and party-formation laws. And if you think that Eritreans (not just the opposition: because Eritrea is not divided into “PFDJ” and “opposition” camp: there are many more in between) are going to allow the PFDJ to dictate the terms of electoral and party-formation law, you are mistaken.

      6. In post-Isaias Eritrea, if power actually resides with the people, the government can say “our foreign policy towards Ethiopia, Tigray, Sudan, Yemen, Kenya is the same” all day but at people-to-people level: Eritreans who share common culture with Tigray Kilil and Afar Kilil will revert back to their rituals (pilgrimages to shrines, marriages, churches, visiting families, cross-border-trade) and that’s a beautiful thing. As will the people who share tradition/culture with Sudan and Djibouti. Prepare yourself for change.

      saay

      • Yodita

        Dear SAAY,

        Your No. 2 point (tenure of PFDJ temporarily) in view of the absence of institutions makes sense. My query is: when the present regime took over in 91/92, how was it able to manage? There reigned an atmosphere of a rare kind where people were roaring to take off and Eritreans from Diaspora were visiting with a view of returning back home. I need not describe the magic that prevailed then. I think most of us had a taste. One thing was crystal clear: the potential for good-governance, to develop, to educate, to forge ahead and create a vibrant and purposeful society was there for the taking! Instead, we were dragged to a ‘senseless war’ and the nightmare was in full swing.

        Another query I have is: when TPLF took over Ethiopia, were there institutions in Ethiopia or did they have to maintain the bulk of Mengistu’s experienced government machine? TPLF was equally inexperienced (the late PMZ was merely 36 then).

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Yodita,

          To add to your questions for Saay, What good governance came out from the experience of PFDJ so far, to the extent you (Saay) went further to give them the transition power, by recognizing their experience? Their experience is a complete fiasco that took us to the edge of a failing state. Yodita, your exemplary questions are right on target. We need the transitional state to be led by an “independent technocrats” until a ” level plain field” is set for a democratic process.

          • Jo

            Selamat Amanuel,

            Who are those technocrats you are talking about? don’t you think some of them are within the government just dealing with the day to day business of the nation? What Saleh is saying, I think, is: let us use the existing structure ( the technocrats within the system ), and as any other structure it has good parts and bad parts; lets us use the good – solid foundation; let us remove the parts that need to be removed – the bad; lets tighten the loose parts – wishy washy; and lets reinforce the shaky ones – clueless. What is wrong with that? If I am not mistaken, reading between the lines, those are the people Saleh is talking about (although, he may call them collectively PFDJ for identification purpose, since they are in the system and they are well positioned to take charge by virtue of their location and their know how of the day to day mechanics of the nations business).

            A lot of people talk about PFDJ as if it is some sort of a machine that you could dismantle and get rid of at will at any time, but it is not. It is a system run by people with deep convictions of their own, like the rest of us. What are you going to do with them: arrest, kill, and exile them? Where does that take us? Remember, when you dismantle that system you are going to fire a lot of people creating unemployment, which is going to brew resentment, which in turn is going to create another cycle of dissidents and opposition, leading us back to square one but with different colours. Do we really want that? You seem to be under the assumption who ever is going to be on the helm next is not going to be the same or as bad, sorry!! to remind you, but that is what we thought last time. Having said all that, the best alternative we have is, if we are going to have any chance at all, to accept the fact that there will always be people who hold different values than ours for better or worse; our job is, to try to “PERSUADE” them but not “CONDEMN” them. There will be times we may succeed and other times we may fail, but we have to persist if good is going to prevail over evil. rest assured “good” will prevail if we are tenacious enough. Otherwise, the alternative is, in short, to succumb to evil. God forbid!!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Jo,

            Leaving aside your explanation that defines the grim reality of our politics, which is true by the way, I will go straight to you question. Your question is who are those technocrats? The technocrats I am referring are those who have no any affiliation with the ruling regime or party and/or no affiliation with the existing political organizations. Eritrea has a large pool of “independent technocrats” from inside and outside our country. If we want a healthy transition that is the only scenario I could think of. If the argument is the state machine is in their hand, and everything is at their mercy, then we are leaving in the air “our advocacy” for what we believe is right. In other words it sounds no need negotiation is the end of negotiation. Wouldn’t it fair to stand for what is right whether it will happen or not, than to submit to what is not right, because the power is in their hand? I will prefer the former, for I want to be remembered as someone who stood what is right. I will not allow to be condemned by history. If you don’t start with fair approach you will never built a fair system. That is my philosophy in short.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • ALI-S

            Selam Jo & Emma,

            Jo I always like your arguments and Emma the challenging thinking that you always bring. Thank you both.

            I think at the core both of you and SAAY are essentially talking about the same thing: regime change. Your only difference is in how we should do it and who should survive the coup. Whether we persuade the PFDJ, run them over with a military offensive, overwhelm them with mass uprising or organize some conspiracy to take them out, the result is the same: Eritrea without the PFDJ as we have known it.

            My question is, why can’t we leave them alone and build an alternative that would compete with them on whatever is good and healthy? Why not create an alternative that will complement whatever good the government is doing and stand up to where it is lacking?

            I know Emma’s idea of allowing the PFDJ to exist after the change comes might look similar but I think it is very different. What the opposition is trying to overthrow and replace is not the PFDJ as a political party or phenomenon but the Eritrean government. This is true because the notion of having the authority to either allow or ban or destroy the PFDJ can only rest on the assumption that what will come is a new Eritrean government.

            The other alternative that I am trying to explain is built on the assumption that the opposition is a group of political parties that would have just as much right as the PFDJ. I think it is dangerous thinking and makes no sense that while opposing the PFDJ’s ownership of the government, to give the opposition the right to own the next government.

            For this alternative to work we need to accept the fact that if evil is in the PFDJ it could as well be in every other political party. Political parties should compete against one another to win government. They should not be seen as entities that conspire with each other to overthrow governments and remove ruling parties.

            Even when multi-party democracy does come, what prevents a bunch of political parties coming together to overthrow the ruling party? This is exactly what happened to Sudan in 1989 when one political party, the National Islamic Front (NIF) decided to recruit soldiers to overthrow the ruling parties.

            My rationale is of course that this is also a winning strategy for the opposition. If an opposition political party (organization) does know that it can simply sign-up as part of some coalition in a deal that will automatically bring it to power if and when the coalition succeeds in overthrowing government, the most important ingredient of success is gone.

            That is the need to compete for public opinion. Such competition motivates political parties to expand membership, create deals and coalitions and innovate in ideas for solutions. In the absence of competition, the members needed for the political party are the members that will be appointed to power as part of the coalition.

            SAAY did mention in one post where he suggested there should be minimum number of members (I think he suggested 20,000 arbitary as example) for one to establish a political party. The question is: why would they need 20,000 when all the seats the party will have in the new government are 2?

            SAAY is correct that they will need the 20,000 to compete when we actually have a democratic system, but not now when we the grassroots need them to have 20,000 in foot soldiers. I think this is the classic case of the Principal-Agent problem that we would need to resolve.

          • Jo

            Selamat Ali-S,

            “My question is, why can’t we leave them alone and build an alternative that would compete with them on whatever is good and healthy? Why not create an alternative that will complement whatever good the government is doing and stand up to where it is lacking?”

            I concur with those questions/ideas. I think, that will break the cycle of vengeance and counter vengeance and, I believe, will propel us forward towards inclusive and progressive system.

            Luwam zelewo meAlti!

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Aman,

            Your line of thinking of having a transitional government led by “Independent technocrats” seems to me an idea bordering a wishful thinking. As to me, whether desirable or not, only organized parties can effectively take that role. The right option I believe is “transitional government” including representative of parties, notable citizens(from higher learning, unions , professional associations etc) with the backing of an obedient security forces. Just my 2 cent.

            TK

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba T. Kifle,

            It is not an ideal but also practical solution to the nature of our political polarization. It has been proved by the Tunisians. They successfully use that transitional procedure. The whole idea is to give the same chance to the stakeholders by setting playing field within the agreed transitional period. It will be anew beginning to launch a democratic process from ground zero. But one thing is for fact all the stakeholders must agree that kind of transitional power. It is doable as far as there is goodwill to resolve the stalemate. Thank you.

        • saay7

          Selamat Yodita:

          I believe you answered your own query when you described the post-independence mood. Sure, the EPLF had no experience running a country (although it can claim it had experience running liberated lands) but what it had going that we won’t have for some time is a people filled-to-the-rim with goodwill towards “deqna.”

          I will defer your second question to Habeyna Weyanai T.Kifle 🙂 I always enjoy reading him describing his TPLF in the rosiest: he has the True Believers way of describing mistakes of his idol using double negatives admitting error (ጌጋታት ኣይተገብረን ማለት ኣይኮነን) following by a longer para that describes how great they were/are 🙂

          saay

          • Yodita

            Dear SAAY,

            You say it yourself ” … to stumble from one disaster to another…” . Apart from the internal security apparatus which functions because of an iron grip and heavy-handed imprisonment, not only are
            there no Institutions in our country, but PFDJ’s governance must be the worst kind (next to N. Korea)! I believe that as goes good-governance, PFDJ failed big time in the last two decades and is
            clueless, dare say I.

            In one of his posts, Mahmud Saleh pointed out that (insulting in general) and calling PFDJ officials zombies was not right and I respected it and refrained from doing so since. However, you are now giving me a chance to justify why I did so. All Ministers, top government and military leaders appear to have become silent note takers of what ‘our great leader’ decides is the best. We hear of none with gumption and who defy Nsu. Furthermore, very few abandoned the system. It is like they are dead (zombies). Whatever happened to the legendary hot-blooded Eritrean who can hardly contain
            or govern his impulse for what he believes is TRUE. There is definitely a behavioral change, trickling down to the people, most unfortunately.

            The PFDJ governance, the style if you like is IA!! He has his imprint in EVERYTHING. You heard Kbrom Dafla (ሓዊ የኾልሰካ), Nsu is everywhere and everything. Although I appreciate your point of a temporary tenure of PFDJ at the service of a peaceful transition (we should abhor violence and pay to avoid it), since IA and PFDJ are two sides of the SAME coin, I think by keeping even temporarily
            PFDJ in post-Isaias transition, we would be starting our much craved change with his spirit as the foundation (God forbid!) .

          • saay7

            Selamat Yodita:

            You said, “we hear of none with gumption and who defy Nsu.” Well, let me ask you a question: before you heard that Major General Omer Tewil died in prison, did you know he was in prison?

            The reason I posted the list of the Central Committee* of the PFDJ (all 75 of them) was for you to take a mental note of how many had the gumption to defy Isaias and to pay a heavy price for it (exile, imprisonment, death.) And these are just the CC members. Those who are not public officials, ኣዲኦም ትቅጾሮም! The victim list of Eritreans–civilian victims; PFDJ victims–is, I would guess, comparable. Just because we don’t hear of it doesn’t mean its not happening. I believe it is either Semere or Ghezae or Serray who often says that when the dictator is gone and the files are opened, we will be shocked at how many defied and died.

            saay

            * After I posted the list, somebody asked a question that Disqus ate up: why didn’t I list Ali Abdu in the CC list? The person with the inquiring mind gave the usual speculation, bypassing the obvious: he is not included in the list because he wasn’t a member of PFDJ’s CC.

          • Yodita

            Dear Saay (the brain),

            Thank you for your prompt reply! I did know Tewil was imprisoned because I was one of those who suspected that IA was going to ‘Islamise’ the Ali (Forte) rebellion. I rather thought that he was going to go ‘hay wire’ and sacrifice innocent Moslem background persons to appease USA and make his peace as an anti-terrorist.

            I also went through every name of the Central Committee and made my mental note of who I
            knew was no longer there. To my credit, I did guess you wanted us to see the list of the absent and did not bother to give the list of the G15 as someone asked because it was not the same thing.

            As regards “(exile, imprisonment, death)” I concede you are absolutely right and my assessment has flaw! I nevertheless would opt for PFDJ leadership to be excluded although technocrats and bureaucrats can continue.

          • saay7

            Selamat Yodita:

            Let’s pursue this line of reasoning further. Part of the PFDJ leadership is Sebhat Ephrem. He is part of PFDJs executive committee; part of the Cabinet; and part of the military hierarchy. He would fit the profile of those you would exclude from a future government. Now, what would happen if tomorrow morning he leaves the regime and decided to join the opposition? Would he disqualified? Would he be qualified enough to oppose but not to govern, even if the people say he is the one we want?

            Not trying to trap you: just trying to follow your reasoning.

            saay

          • Yodita

            Dear SAAY,

            Funny you mention Sebhat Ephrem!! There seemed to be very high hopes on this personage but if his allegged (and repeated) ’chameleonic’ traits dating back from Menka’E, G15 and up to Wedi Ali’s Forto episodes were to be confirmed, he should NOT be given any responsibility, he should be weeded out!!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Yodita: I agree with you, and believe me, while my principle on non-violent process is there, I want you to understand that when I say we need to avoid labels such as ” zombies” or ” woyane… kedae..” I am talking on tactical level, how can you convince the more than 95% , PFDJ members who are as frustrated as you and me; it is not a secret that most PFDJ are disillusioned and tired of the system (I don’t know what to call it). I agree PFDJ has been a disaster, as SAAY in one of his presentation put it, it is very difficult to see a system in Eritrea. The country is on a downward spiraling subject to emergency instructions and decrees. The magic is how can you convince the majority in limbo that change is OK. What we are witnessing is the lack of resistance culture or experience. We have a culture of loyalty and conformity and that’s taking its toll; my son is nagging me to go to the game, I will say more some time later.

          • T. Kifle

            Dear SAAY,

            I know you would never touch the issues I raised to Mahmud Saleh because they are/were close to your heart. So better you focus on substance than side issues.

        • T. Kifle

          Dear Yodita,

          The EPRDF government inherited “institutions” whatever leftover of Derg. But Derge itself dismantled the many institutions HS had built and were believed to have been in good shape at his time excluding the justice and local administration systems. Derg converted every institution to his political stereotypes and many of them crumbled with the end of their rule. So mainly the institutions are new and not done yet.

          As far as I can tell, however, most of the institutions that are essential to a well functioning democracy are not easy to build for the very reason that their effectiveness and longevity depends on consensus of mainstream political forces which in our case is a problem big time. Still we are racketed in politics of zero-sum-game where the opposition and the government don’t see eye-to-eye on these institutions including the supreme law of the land: the constitution.
          TK

      • Semere Tesfai

        Saay

        እንጀራ ‘ዝጊ ብላዕ

        Thank you. That is a breakthrough in Eritrean politics in general and in Eritrean opposition in particular. If the Eritrean opposition accept that (your) idea, they will be leaders/champion of true change.

      • Dawit

        Selam Saay,Well said. Your #6 is necessary (perhaps unavoidable) to have a lasting peace with all our neighbors including with Ethiopia

      • tes

        Dear Saay,

        I disagree with your PFDJ-DIA solution. PFDJ is a system, it is not about leaders and any step to run the country with the system they built is a complete disaster. The socialistic model based ideology they installed in every office is a virus that can not be cured easily unless we are courageous enough to start by weeping from deep inside.

        I share your concern but I will not conquer my mind by FEAR of the future. Having engineering background, I have a strong belief on the design principles. In engineering, it says, don’t start construction over a failed or collapsed building. PFDJ is already a collapsed building and trying to make this as a starting point is nothing but it will continue to deteriorate the once we have dreamt for.

        let me share my feelings.

        The opposition groups failed and are failing to produce leaders. If one appears, then everybody is against and another emerges by the name of democracy. I mean division within the group. When you go through theeir political agendas, almost all are the same, at least on the surface. Then, human politics dominates, instead of the said politics. Even the current youth movements followed the same path. And worse, some of them are cultivating new potential dictators. How? They are simply trying to follow the PFDJ principle of creating human image, instead of political image. Let’s avoid this and if we succeed with this, sure we will win with the new system that is incubated within the opposition camp. I am very optimistic and really happy such political lines are developing at very high speed. But the problem still remains deep inside, the personal cult is not totally free.

        This personal cult is installed by PFDJ (I have discussed this in my article about Juche ideology and why they do that) and the opposition camp tried to follow the same path. but this infection is still not accepted. The question is then, How the opposition camps are dealing to get free of this infection? Simple, they divide themselves assuming that no one will be worshiped and yet another god is within the new camp. All this is putting a mirage on the political development of the opposition camp.

        Some initiatives are also crushed in the same way.

        Therefore, unless we get free of such infections, the personal-centered politics, the time of struggle will take longer time, but success is for sure. DIA will die, but to kill PFDj, we should work out to get ride of their ideology.

        Hawka
        tes

      • Saleh Johar

        Saay,

        The Brits kept the Italians after WW2. That is true, but how do you see the fact that the Brits dismantled the Fascist party? Since the Italians were working under a new system, not under their own institutions, don’t you think all able public servants can be accommodated under a new system after the era of the PFDJ? Wouldn’t keeping the PFDJ intact be considered equal to keeping the Fascist party intact when the Brits took over?

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Saleh Johar

          I beg to differ; unless we (me and you) have different meaning for PFDJ, I think you are missing the generational gap. I’m under the impression, all the power abuse and mess of today’s Eritrea is simply because of the incompetence of the Gehedli Generation PFDJ leaders at the helm.

          The Post-Ghedli Generation have not been in power; they have not done any wrong doings and they are the ones who will take power in Post-Isaias Eritrea.

          If the Post-Ghedli generation PFDJ leaders are to be said ‘they are criminals’ like their former bosses, then we are moving the goalpost.

          • Saleh Johar

            Semere, what are you differing with me about? I didn’t raise generational issues.

            I believe PFDJ is an organization akin to the Fascists that cannot be qualified to run the country. I understand that Eritreans (based on merits not on age groups) will fill the needed state/public positions to run the country after the eventual change. Hopefully the criminals will have to pass through the legal system–regardless of their age– and get what they deserve, acquittal or conviction. Incidentally, if you just state everyone will answer for their mistakes, you do not need an age qualifier. I think this age segmentation trivializes the matter–we are not sure what age group committed the most blunder when it comes to personal accountability.

            To sum it up: PFDJ as an institution has committed unforgivable blunders and in my opinion it should not be entrusted with running the Asmara city park let alone the whole country. Public servants are not necessarily criminal. I would like to think in terms of the stakeholders.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Saleh Johar

            Just for the sake argument, let’s say change came from within; and all of the top leaders of the new government are under 45 years of age (were under 18 in 1991), and all never served in higher position at all.

            Now, would you work with that kind of government? If not why? When does a person/leader become unacceptable to you, after sh/e served or before sh/e served in government?

          • Saleh Johar

            Semere, please stop talking from your perception of what I believe. There is no need for that because I am stating it clearly.

            I do not lose sleep forecasting the direction from which change comes, it will come from wherever it comes. I do not believe in separating change to “from inside” and “from outside.” It is really a senseless argument since all those who are outside are an extension of those who are inside and vice versa.

            What I see from some quarters is the insinuation that all the millions of Eritrean living in Eritrea are PFDJ affiliates, PFDJ militia and loyalists, etc. If that was the case all Ethiopians would have been Deg affiliates, they were not though the Derg boasted of millions of membership. PFDJ has its pillars, its inner and outer circles, but it doesn’t own the people. It is just a system (parasitic at that); please do not make it sound as if all Eritrean inside love it. It has its loyalists and its haters. When the time comes and the regime falls, or is weakened beyond repair, you will see even those in the closest circles drop it like a heavy burden off their backs. All those who overdo the “change from inside only” sloganeering insinuate that they are part of a bigger force that will inherit the PFDJ. Therefore, I do not lose sleepover where change is coming from as long as it is not a rehabilitation of the oppressive regime. I do not care about age but merit. And by no stretch of imagination am I incriminating any official, regardless of the age. I accept any government on merits, regardless of age. I oppose any arranged hand-picked groupie type formation of government.

            I will certainly not accept the PFDJ inner clique minus Isaias. There is a common understanding around the world on what happens if it will be a smooth transition: the top officers and cabinet, security is removed pending investigation and court process administer by a reconciliation committee or a council of elders, etc. Then those who are cleared can live a normal life with all their rights.

            Now, are you insinuating that nothing can move without the involvement of the PFDJ?

            Under a caretaker government, (a process that politicians and elders should work out the mechanism for, including UN and international oversight) all properties looted by the PFDJ is taken by the government. All parties freeze their activities until we have a party law. I really do not care what happens after this stage.

            Semere, if you try to trivialize debates by bringing age segmentation, I will not engage you. Let’s talk about merit not not legal age for driving. My view in politics is age neutral. Because anything different is wrong, unscientific stereotyping and discrimination

          • Semere Andom

            MeAlka Semere Tesfay:

            You keep hammering the theme of “Post-Ghedli” generation. First no one at least in this thread said the Pot-Ghedli are criminals. Also, it was never and is not the incompetence of the Ghedli-generation that we want to dismantle, Gheldi generation had many competencies that Hadas Eritrea could have benefited from. To mention a few, the tenacity to work hard, contempt and disdain toward giving up. It is the cruelty, opportunism and criminality of the few we in the camp opposite abhor. While you want to give these qualities a chance, it is not Ghedli generation vs Post-Ghedli generation as you try to spin it to make your point by lumping our argument into one colossal mission against everyone in Ghedli-generation.

            The anti-dote of incompetence is learning so no one should hold this against anyone, but the Post-Ghedli generation that you pin you hope on to save Eritrea are the students of the Ghedli-generation paddling in the same dirty pond called Eritrea.

            The new political environment will be and should be composed of Ghedli-generation and Post-Ghedli generation, where the first transfers its “intuitional” memory of history that the few criminals are erasing and the later, learns, integrates old and new idea and refines to hand the torch to future generation The job is collaborative in nature and neither linear or one dimensional.

            Sem

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Semere Andom

            The problem I’m having with is, who are the criminals that you are referring to? I thought they were the EPLF/PFDJ Ghedli generation, top and mid-level leaders at the helm. Do you have some more? Where does your list (hierarchy) of PFDJ criminals start and end?

            If the problem is few rotten apples at the top (as the opposition claims sometimes) what is the rational for uprooting the whole tree?

            If we are aspiring for a democratic country, why would any single party have a monopoly of a say as to – who should be in and who should be out?

        • Pappillon

          ሰላም ኣያይ

          That is a great question. But before we even go there, how about we pose and ask: what exactly is PFDJ? Is there such a thing called PFDJ as a political party? If there is, what is its platform? Is it ሓደ ህዝቢ ሓደ ልቢ or ብሒም ዝበለ ይታሓጎም? As far as the reality is concerned, there is no one party system in Eritrea, what we have is a one man show where the rest if in fact are taken for party members, they are individuals who live under a sheer fear of terror with an absolute obedience to a man who is the state himself. As such, to assume or entertaining of reforming PFDJ in post-tyranny Eritrea is not only naivete but a delusion as well. When the tyrant is gone, there will be nothing left to claim a political party under the banner of PFDJ.

          Haft’kha.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Pappi,

            Aren’t the disgruntled Medrekites trying to reclaim PFDJ as their party? This “one man party” is unrealistic. It never existed and will never in the future. It is a regime with its party and its institution governing the country. The Medrekites believe if he is removed, they will reclaim their party. So PFDJ exist as we speak and will continue to exist in the future, because they have solid members. This is reality we have to accept. The one thing we have to fight is to change the apparatus of oppression and change the nature of the government.

          • Pappillon

            Dear Aman,

            Could you please direct me to a link that substantiates the claim to that effect? Not EPLF but PFDJ. Thank you.

            Haft’kha.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Pappi,

            I found it from the horse’s mouth. We had informal meeting with them. They told us the problem is Issayas not the party per se. So sister their struggle is to reclaim their party. Don’t ask me who are the “we”?

          • Pappillon

            Dear Aman,

            I sure don’t mean to second-guess your ‘horse’s mouth’ claim but don’t you think that kind of critical issue ought to be told to the public not only to a “closed” circle of people? No wonder I am having a hard time to take them serious. The diplomat and the physician in particular. What a pity!

            Haft’kha.

          • SM

            Emma,
            I thought you even allowed the PFDJ to participate as a Party…If they want.
            So why are you then belittling or discrediting the Medrekhites?
            Why are you putting the cart before the horse.
            Saay seems to be some what closer to the Medrekhites..at least his re conciliatory tone .
            Can you knock off your stubborn stand about this “PFDJ should be dismantled as a System” mabtra?
            We are looking for a midway and realistic solution.
            To me,the Saay approach seems to be reasonable;rational,realistic,doable,less risky…inclusive,compromising.approh.
            Yours is too metaphysical…and less realistic,non-inclusive,less convincing and less practical by all standard..
            This is my opinion and understanding but I stand corrected.
            Saay,
            Kudos to you big Bro…and keep it up. Thank you for listening to me about the ICG proposal and putting them in an Eritrean way..
            I love your decent and brotherly advice to Nittric…and keep doing that so that he will convince his YPFDJites.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw SM,
            I am not belittling Medrekites. What I am just saying is, since I heard their nostalgia of the party, I figured it out they will not be fair to others as they sit in the driving seat of transitional government. So they can wait with the others until we create the plain field for fair competition. What is wrong to say this? Do you like the existing system and its institutions? I don’t. And that is why I am calling for dismantling it (not the party by the way, they will have all the rights like the the others).

            Second, Saay’s approach is not new and is not change by the way. Simply, because the PFDJ is still in power, and we gave them 23 years of transitional period. They failed. We can’t afford more transitional period to be run by PFDJ. Just for the record, if we give power to PFDJ without creating leveled plain field, Eritrea will continue with the same authoritorian regime of PFDJ.

          • Yodita

            AHwatey Amanuel and Pappi,

            When Medreck first announced its ‘coming out’ but early in the process attracted not only
            some general criticism but (1) an open break up with Assenna’s Amanuel Eyasu and (2) Saleh Johar’s “Another Winter Project?” my enthusiasm was deflated (an all out flat tyres!). I am a staunch admirer of Amanuel Eyasu from the start and believe that he is honest, humble and an earnest and most hardworking speciment and example to our wounded youth. I first open Assenna religiously because to me he symbolizes daring and rebellion. So when he, in a very transparent manner,
            declined to cooperate with the nascent Medreck, I felt a great disappointment and waivered about Medreck.

            Then on 06 May 2014 there appeared Medreck’s second group discussion, the contents of
            which found me nodding and agreeing to a lot of the points raised therein.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xqDW4A6ta48

            If you have not done so, I invite you both to give it a listen – but an open minded one. I am receptive to arguments that raise concerns and clearly demonstrate loopholes, because I didn’t find them. Am I missing something or are we condemned to an incurable cynical mode?

            PS – During the unforgettable and magical TaHrir Square phenomena, there was an Assenna radio interview (I wish it was easy to locate and attach), where Dr. Assefaw Teckeste was a participant debater. I was ‘smitten’ by his clarity and firm views and the gist of it was that the Egyptian youth (may I add Elites) has fully grasped the meaning of genuine liberty and although along the journey obstacles may arise (one step forward and two steps back (?), he said they have reached such a level of People and Power (getting rid of Hosni Mubarak without a single shot!!!!), they will never settle for anything less than the real thing. He is proving to be absolutely right. I have never met him,
            but wherever I see his name, I make it my business to follow attentively because I believe he is a valuable resource not only for our country but as a human kind. He recognized the ESSENCE of a collective monumental endeavour and made a correct analysis and prediction of the outcome! I would like to be lead by such clear headed persons because they swallowed a lot to ge there.

            Concluding I say do we want to count our eggs or we want to burn all our energy to find hair on an egg shell and remain grounded? A simple question!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sis Yodita,

            One thing I will concur with you in the above comment is about Amanuel Eysu. He is an honest and humble journalist who doesn’t compromise on his belief and his struggle for fundamental change. He is a committed rigorous fighter from our young generation. He is maturing and elevating his political deliberation by the day. I always take my hut off for him for what he is doing. Bingo on that.

            As to the Medrekites, they leave on the old history and are still nostalgic about it. They leave in the old Paradigm of our politics ELF vs EPLF. They don’t have inclusive mind. I have tasted their vocabulary in real exchange and it makes me nauseous. Eritrea now look for some one who keep all its stripes in the same tent.

            Hawki,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            “One thing I will concur with you in the above comment is about Amanuel Eysu. He is an honest and humble journalist who doesn’t compromise on his belief and his struggle for fundamental change.”

            Come-on Amanuel Hidarat. You have this bad habit complimenting the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

            I know you are going to think I am crazy but if the truth is told, Amanual Eysu did more harm, single handedly to your so-called struggle than anyone in Diaspora. I don’t visit his web-site anymore but when I used to visit his web-site; I have never got out of that web-site. Every major news was wrong and sensationalized. When you are a journalist and you run a web-site, your first worry should be credibility, honesty and accountability. Back then Amanuel displayed none of it. As the consequence of his actions, your struggle was left in the dusts. People never believed on your cause and they had steak with PFDJ. At least I did and know many others.
            So, to give him that much credit is again a sign of being an Eritrean opposition. Never admit your short comings.

        • ALI-S

          SG & All,

          SG & Pappi you both turned the thread into a very interesting question on “what is the PFDJ” as Pappi framed it?

          The way I see it: PFDJ is what each of us thinks it is. And I believe that is where the complexity of our conception of Eritrea and its future lies. It this complexity that leads many of us skeptical as to whether it is actually possible to “eliminate the PFDJ” without permanently damaging the political fabric of the nation. Here are a few examples of what the PFDJ is for some people:

          (1) To many Eritreans (especially those support bases of the ELF) the PFDJ is what is left of the EPLF. There are certainly a few bad apples inside but to its supporters, it still has the goodness of the pre-independence EPLF.

          (2) To the disgrunted supporters of the EPLF, the PFDJ is the network of Middle and Upper level cadres who declared an end to the EPLF and transformed it into the PFDJ in 1994. There are certainly bad apples here too, but it was a transformation that was done to fit the new reality of governance.

          (3) To many in the PFDJ, the PFDJ is a network of adherents of the political orientation of the Eritrean government reflecting the qualities mentioned by many including that of self-reliance, strong and independent statism, and a foreign policy that promotes Eritrea as unique and one of a kind. Here too there are bad apples but who would argue with the qualities mentioned here if the government proves its feasibility.

          (4) To many within the adherents of this orientation, the PFDJ is what the President is inspired to tell is true. Here too the President might have his bad moments or unluky shots, but who would argue on the sincerity of someone doing his best (according to them).

          (5) To many in the opposition, the PFDJ is the Eritrean government however you define that. Here too the supporters will say, well its performance has never been tried under normal conditions away from wars and when it was until 1997, it proved it is capable and qualified as African renaisence.

          (6) To many (much more than we would like to believe), the PFDJ is the embodiment of the interests of an ethnic group. Here too, there might be a few good apples and examples but the claim is easily provable with everything that went wrong. The supporters of the contrary will say “we are also suffering”.

          (7) to all of us (Eritreans) I believe the PFDJ is everything that went wrong with Eritrea including policy, practice, orientation and culture of governance in goth the government and opposition. Many will claim that although part of what we are referring to as the PFDJ did a lot of things wrong, it cannot be defined without the other part that is supposed to mature into a real and feasible alternative. Hence among the blind a one-eyed man is the king.

          (8) To all the emerging Andnet movement, the PFDJ is anything that can be defined as the enemy of Ethiopia. Since the probability that you may not belong to any forms of the PFDJ and still hate Ethiopia, is feasible, the scope of the Ethio-Centric definition is actually much larger.

          (9) To those who would rather chose an easy target, the PFDJ is the YPFDJ, the groups that include my grandma as the 600,000 members. True there are a lot of naive members but why would they buy into the speakers and runners.

          (10) To those who promote themselves as angels and cannot see that corruption is interest-centered and not organization-specific, the PFDJ is every corrupt and criminal in Eritrea. Do we know of any nation who actually weeded out corruption and crime and is not ruled by the PFDJ? Of course, the new Eritrea ruled by angels.

          • Saleh Johar

            Welcome back Ali,
            I will settle for your #7. The others are just details and realistic and different perspectives.

      • Semere Andom

        Tegadalai Sal:

        Your item # 2 needs to be fleshed out more: If by PFDJ-without- Isaias you mean an ornamental change where Isaias to avoid the fate of other dictators who live and die in exile make, with their delusions and megalomania buried with them and make a deal with his close confidants this way his “deserved” armed struggle heroism remains intact and his legacy pristine then this is the continuation of the legacy and we have accomplished nothing. Yes this is bloodless, but useless in terms of the change we yearn. This deal will replace Isaias with someone who can carry the legacy for another score of years, until all the heroes perish, the history is irreversibly overwritten and every heroes who made the “independence” a realty is irrevocably impeached of his founding father status. Given his track record IA will mostly likely not relinquish power without making sure this is guaranteed and when the inevitable occurs: his demise, the alligators and those with access to him will make sure his wishes are granted as their legacy and fickle happiness is intricately linked to his.

        But if by the PFDJ-without- Isaias you mean the Wedi- Ali kind of change, then this still is PFDJ without Isaias and can can be considered transitional period, slowly transitioning to implementation of rule of law with a broad based negotiations, while professionalism is infused into the existing “intuitions”

        I think the experience syndrome is overblown at this day and age, it is just like writing a constitution. PFDJ has ruled Eritrea for the last 23 years with the Ghedli temperament and they were not able to transition, learn, not because they could not, but they did not want. The lack of “governance” experience maybe an asset as biases can be avoided and the crippling fear of future can be motivators to succeed. If vision, will to genuinely elevate Eritrea from the gutter are the guiding principles of whoever replaces PFDJ, then perceived limits o can be overcome. Professional can be appointed as ministers and directors of departments to lend their expertise

        Sem

        • saay7

          Gedim iTegadalai Sem and Abu Selah:

          Sem, you gotta give us your 5-point plan: I have mine, Emma has one and Nitricc has one. It is important that we do that because, without it, we are unable to do proper risk-assessment: in the stock market, that’s called the Beta: not prudent to invest in a stock unless you know it’s fluctuation and volatility, right?:)

          To answer your question, I am looking for a “democratic coup.” Of course, that has its Beta: (a) highly unlikely to be organized without Isaias and gang knowing about it; (b) sets a bad precedent that, in the future, if you are not happy, that’s the way to go. All we have to do now is measure this Beta against the others provided by Nitricc (what if Isaias lives to be a 100 and sets Isaias-II ala Kim il Sung?), Emma (I think it was a by-the-book ቃልሲ ክሳብ ዓወት or was it ቃልስና ነዊሕን መሪርን እዩ፥ ዓወትና ናይግድን!) and your vision.

          Abu SelaH:

          If we extend the British vs Italians to Opposition vs PFDJ metaphor, it falls apart quickly because the Opposition doesn’t have the capability (or the willingness) to militarily defeat the PFDJ. It is an imperfect metaphor. Maybe a closer one that we can relate to is how the Coalition made Iraq ungovernable (and the playground of every country with an agenda) was by zealous commitment to its “de-Baathification.”

          By the way, Abu Selah, what is your Five Point Plan? 🙂

          saay
          of Iraq.

          • Jo

            Selam Saleh,

            Is the discussion about wether the PFDJ principle is wrong or the people who are running it or within it are wrong and rotten?

            Is there anything wrong with the charter or pillars/principles of PFDJ?

            Are all the people, within PFDJ, bad people with bad intentions to their fellow citizens and nation?

            If there is nothing wrong with the principles of PFDJ and most of the people within it are good people, why do we make blanket generalization and want to eradicate them all?

            Why not deal with the few who are spoiling it for us all, rather than to over reach and punish everybody associated with it – risking penalizing the good citizens and alienating them and their services in the process?

            Eager to learn.

          • Saleh Johar

            Jo, we have two segments in the crazy department 🙂
            1. those who want the PFDJ to remain in tact for different reasons, and 2) those who want to punish everyone who is even remotely associated with the PFDJ.

            To me it is like the Derg, a rotten system that has to be weeded out. Remember the tens of thousands of Derg servants were not touched let alone Eritreans under the PFDJ.

            I believe those who are associated with the PFDJ, the common functionaires and someone like adey Letay who joins just to sit on the front row during festivals, are not even in the equation. But the top echelon and the system of oppression that enabled them to commit the horrors should be dismantled and they should be accountable for what happened.

          • SM

            You missed the midway…the Saay way…The PFDJ with out the head should be safer.BTW,define PFDJ ,please , so as to understand you better.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey SM,

            Is it difficult to define PFDJ as a party? Oh we have to go to class section. PFDJ is a party like all parties in the world that has structured leadership, rank and files (members) with its political program that reflects its members “value system.” How about that SM. What is you next question?

          • Jo

            Selamat Saleh Johar,

            Thanx! for he clarification. Why is it that all the opposition parties have to start with the premiss that they are going to eliminate and punish the PFDJ. Why don’t they have a political program that shows that they are going to be better than the PFDJ? Don’t you think that would have eliminated the time wasted in discussing who should be on the “punishment list” or not? How many have come with that same attitude and ended up in the first pit and disappeared or failed to regain their momentum? Isn’t that enough of an indication from the Eritrean people that those are not their issues. When do the opposition organization learn and say, hell!! this is not working let us rethink/recalibrate our approach?

            Can they, without mentioning PFDJ (weed, punish, eradicate…) for a change, come up with a political program that is a better alternative to the predicament we are in: What they are going to do and how they are going to fix our problems, domestic (justice, economy…), International ( foreign policy, national security…). Alas…!!!

            Luwam zelewo meAlti!

          • SM

            Dear Jo,
            I am afraid that you misunderstood Saay.
            He is trying to be selective…and he clarified his position by using a unique Medical Term – Surgical removal,.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Jo,
            The charter is the Value system of the party. We need the value system of the Eritrean people to install. To let them wait until fair plain leveled field is not punishment. The Eritrea people gave them 23 years of transitional government. They failed to transfer the power to the people miserably.

          • Saleh Johar

            Five point plan? I only have one point plan: weed out the PFDJ

          • Pappillon

            That is the only way to go ኣያይ ማዓረይ as my mom would say it, ብተመን ተነኽሰስ ብልሕጺ ተዳህለ.

          • Saleh Johar

            Embeytey, now we are in a stage where we cannot differentiate between a leather stripe and a snake. If you find it sitting in the special PFDJ lounge, it is most likely a snake. 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Kbur ato Saay,
            On top of the one point plan. Let me add the following:

            After Saddam invaded Iraq, he gradually abruptly switched from his socialist allies and became cozy with Sunni Islamists of the region. The Shia majority (over 60%) and Kurd (about 15%) wanted it out, the Kurd had a long standing opposition from an early age.

            In such circumstances, I believe “de-baathification” was a good move. But I don’t believe de-baathification is to be blamed for the turmoil that followed the invasion of 2003. It was the fact that the Kurds and Shites and other minorities, emboldened by the invasion, wanted it weeded out for good.

            I think Bramer’s decision to destroy the defense forces is the main culprit for the turmoil because there was no forces that could stabilize the country and all the disbanded soldiers who were left with no pay and livelihood had to join this or that armed groups. Had Bramer left the army in tact, I think the transition would have been smoother.

            In the case of Eritrea, the army should be left in tact but its loyalties should be checked and immediately the members of the defense forces should be banned from being members of a political party. If they choose politics over the role of the defender of the nation, they should resign and leave the army. I know that many people wrongly assume the army is a militia of the PFDJ. I don’t believe so. To rehabilitate the army and clean its pockets of PFDJ partisan loyalties, the top echelon should be removed until they are cleared by the court (this might not be a legal action, but it is a necessary political action that ensures smooth transition to normalcy). Also, the army is a structured institution and promoting middle and lower rank officers to temporarily take charge will not be difficult. In due time, the army can be restructured to reflect the values and ideals of the new republic, with loyalty to the people and country by legally and politically curtailing partisan influences. The army should remain the guarantor of the security of the nation and guardian of the constitution (not Isaias’ constitution).

            There, I don’t know if it is one point or a dozen pint plan, or no plan at all.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam SGJ,

            Your last paragraph regarding the transformation of the army is right on spot. The only thing, that I will differ from you is that the lower rank of the army can’t be a transitional Gov. Eritrea needs top Technocrats non-affiliated from the regime to run the business of the government until things are settled.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Emma, where did I say lower rank or any rank should form a transitional government? I was talking about the army less its top leader who should stay away for a smooth transition to happen. In the meantime, the lower and middle rank can run the army. I am against the army engaging in politicking. Read my comment again.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Saleh,

            It wasn’t specific when you said “lower rank officers to temporarily take charge.” I just relate to our current debate “the transitional government.”

          • SA

            Mr. Saleh Gadi,
            Just to add to your comments about Iraq, Charles Ferguson in his amazing documentary “No End in Sight” cites 3 reasons for chaos that resulted in Iraq.
            1. Lack of clear plan by the US of what to do after the invasion. It was personally painful to watch that the superpower US expected things would work out themselves after Sadam was removed and thus did not bother to prepare careful plans for post-Sadam Iraq.
            2. De-baathification. This deprived Iraq of the technocrats, almost all of which were Ba’ath members, that the country badly needed after the defeat of Sadam.
            3. Disbanding the Army. This was the most boneheaded and the costliest mistake made by the US for the reasons you articulated well.

            SA

      • tes

        Dear Saay,

        Here is the model that I coined for the Public decision making process. It is a system (the PFDJ system) that we are looking for. The system is nothing but just like the Hindu class system, the master-servant relationship.

        Hawka
        tes

        • saay7

          Selamat Guest (Tes):

          In the image, you have represented security twice:)

          What we are discussing, I think, is the class system in Eritrea. To me, it very much looks like Orwell’s class system in his book 1984: Big Brother on top, Inner Party below him, Outer Party below that, and the Proles (derogative form of proletariats)–that is, everybody else– below that.

          Once you define the system, then the “what do we do about it” has an evolutionary and revolutionary answer. Nitricc, for example, has an evolutionary answer: do nothing, just wait. His 10 point plan begins with that. I don’t agree with his approach, but I have always liked the man’s clarity and willingness to swim against the tide.

          The revolutionary answer is all over the place because I don’t think we have a consensus on answering a question that Mao Zedong considered the most important: “Who are our enemies? Who are our friends? This is a question of the first importance for the revolution.”

          That’s because none of us are revolutionaries. Revolutionaries want an abrupt change to the order of things, and they want them to as far reaching and as irreversible as possible. That requires absolute and total commitment to a cause and obedience to organizational hierarchy. We ain’t no revolutionaries; at least I am not.

          So, what is it we are trying to do? I think all we are trying to do is pull the emergency brakes on Eritrea’s downward spiral. I think, for me, that is achievable just by removing the captain. You will still be left with a 1,001 challenges but with Eritrea at sea level, we can discuss, negotiate all of those calmly.

          One thing people do have to consider (specially Haile the gr8) is that post-Isaias, PFDJ is not disappearing. Its brand name is ruined now–but whether renamed, re-baptized or re-descovers its inner-EPLF, it is going nowhere. An organization whose motto is “Be Conscious, Be Armed, Be Organized”, and one that is capable of cranking out a 1,000 catchy slogans is going nowhere.

          saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            I sort of partly agree with your “re-named” re-configured or otherwise type of regeneration for PFDJ. I see the validity of your predictions only in as far as its albeit lingering and indirect influence. Now, trust me saay, I don’t say this out any vengeful or such like intents. To the best of my ability, I try to factor in the facts in the ground any relevant precedents.

            In places like China, organizations like PFDJ (one man show dictatorships) have tremendous amount of military and economic wherewithal to survive regime change shocks and powerful reverberating aftershocks there after.PFDJ doesn’t have none of that instead is a house of cards built on intensely weaved propaganda (fear of a bigger evil). As you said PFDJ (fairly or unfairly) is associated with all the sufferings and miseries that our people are going there. Just imagine broadcasting the dreadful events of Sinai and Lampedusa, the killings in dungeons of the regime’s security apparatus, the denial of burial rights, the massacre of the disabled veterans, IA’s shrill talk against every genuine demand for rights and justice… in Eritrean television and radio networks in the country. I would support PFDJ for the heck of it if it can pull some never heard of magic to gain people’s good will. You would need to protect known PFDJ members for their own safety let alone present them for Eritrea take II.

            Now, people would abandon the PFDJ ship en-mass here in the diaspora. In Eritrea, they have long done so. For those who may not be aware, there exists a brutal dictatorship in Eritrea that wouldn’t hesitate to bury you in a dark hole for the rest of your breathing life should you wish to raise questions outside a servant subjects remit. My personal experience (by no means conclusive) even the so called PFDJ people have nothing nice to say about PFDJ, and this is now before the thing hit the fan. Later on, as the Amhara say ye’wedeqe zaf msar ybezabetal (a fallen tree would end up with an excess felling). If my mother falls down, it would be PFDJ to blame, if my dog dies (I have none) it would be PFDJ to blame…Some people would excuse all their faults on PFDJ, basically PFDJ would end up demonized beyond traces of recognition.

            This is why I would go with SGJ’s views of army led change and gutting out the PFDJ for spare parts and other supply like written off vehicle. PFDJ is the reason people are jumping off the cliff in Eritrea it avoid its rule (misrule). PFDJ doesn’t have the level of support in Eritrea as given to it by the detached diaspora and other opportunists. Some people find the eyes rolling to the white section for hearing the mere mention of its name.

            The presentation of PFDJ in any form whatsoever would, in my humble opinion, the advent of Somalianization of Eritrea. It would be passing over the nation to prolonged civil war after its ordeals under prolonged dictatorship. It would be rational to think that the Army hasn’t earned so much ill will of the people (other than corruption) as PFDJ. The army would be the only acceptable mediator to kick start reconciliation and re-birth of a new Eritrea. Re-appearance of PFDJ post IA, is a unilateral declaration of factional civil war and my support would overwhelmingly go to those opposed to such. Again, PFDJ can be broken down and re integrated into the new set up, I have no enmity with people or tegadelti actually the opposite, I admire many for their individual qualities. But sadly, I fear that wishing a reformed PFDJ (it is the name, it needs to completely dissapear) on the Eritrea may be the most complex of the “plan” presented so far by each of the 30+ political organization.

            If you really believe there is redeeming features of PFDJ (as a system) against the death toll we sustained under its watch, I like to hear it. I respect the right of those who would wish to have PFDJ reformed or otherwise, but it appears a shortest path to civil war to me. Again, the Army should be emboldened, but also fully supported to discharge its duties during the takeover and transition period. This should include massive political, financial and technical support at all levels wholeheartedly just like we did soon after independence. This time however, we need to act responsible in holding them to task and to account in a frank manner of exchanges. The army should then live upto its promise to hand over to civilan rule within specified time frame. PFDJ has allergic qualities to large sections of our country, it must be weeded out.

            Cheers

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            Excellent, now we are talking. I will make two quick points: the future of PFDJ (the party) and the radio-TV campaign (Live from Sinai) that you are contemplating (which puts us in campaign mode.)

            At the risk of repeating myself, very little of what the PFDJ is selling now or in the so-called honeymoon years (1991-1997) appealed to me. I am approaching this the way a political campaign consultant does: an assessment of reality. The reason Haile got “the great” monicker is that he doesn’t deal with ideology or wishful thinking but with actual life in Eritrea in 2014 and the psychology of Eritreans.

            If the PFDJ renames and sheds Isaias Afwerki, it is not only a viable party, but the most competitive and dominant party. There are many reasons for this, and I will begin with a short story (that I may already have told: God, I am getting old):

            Half a dozen Eritrean friends are at a coffee shop having an Eritrean Syndrome (discussing Eritrea, of course.) One is a recent “defector” from EPLF/PFDJ. Four are teasing and picking at him: you really are still attached to your front aren’t you? One of them, an ELF veteran, says:

            ኣንቱም ሰባት፥ ኣነ ኣብ ተሓኤ ቅድሚ 30 ዓመት ነርባዕተ ዓመት ተሰሊፈ ኔረ:: ኮይኑ ግን ሕጂውን ጀብሃ ካብ ደመይ ኣይወጽእትን:: እዚ ሓውና: ዓሰርተታት ዓመታት ኣብ ግንባር ዘገልገለ: እንታይ ውለድ ትብልዎ ኣለኹም?

            In politics, it is much easier to leverage feel-good sentiments to rally people than it is to get them to disown a political organization that they spent a good part of their life on and resulted in success. I maintain that this is also something that gets extended to a not-insignificant percentage of the Warsay generation: they have very mixed feelings about their enlistment; they hate the abuse of the officers; but they will remember (and an able politician can make them remember) with some fondness the camaraderie and the friends they made during their enlistment.

            Now, the campaign. Let me pretend for a second to me the campaign manager for the post-Isaias leader of the post-PFDJ-PFDJ:) In the US, when Americans are sick of their president, they will say that they will vote for Anybody But ___(AB Carter, AB Bush..). That is: until they see the alternative. Then, they reconsider.

            If I am the campaign manager of the Neo-PFDJ candidate: I would blame every terrible thing associated with PFDJ to the Paleo-PFDJ (Isaias and his die-hard flunkies.) Then I would highlight the strengths of the party–that it, unlike the other parties, represents the entirety of Eritrea and not its segment; that it is experienced in national security and national defense; and all the social justice stuff Eritreans seem to eat up. And this is even before I start my negative campaigning on the alternative which, if it solidifies along current trends, will have an Islamist party (or parties), an ethnic-rights party (or parties) and a “Saen
            na MaEre egrna and egri yeblnan” party (or parties.) You don’t have to be a Karl Rove to make those parties get “two seats” in the words of Ali Salim.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Oh Saay,

            No Question they will hire you as their campaign manager, as you have already started to campaign before even the campaign started, if we are going to have a political campaign at all. The way you are picturing is a campaign of one party system within itself. For you already allotted the transitional power to them before even the presumed opposition parties put their foot on the ground. Wow ! I could see Eritrea will not see even the rudimentary of justice with the vision you are putting on our face to read it. God mercy Eritrea and its people.

          • saay7

            Haha Emma:

            Come on! I was just having a counter-campaign to Haile the Gr8’s “Live from Sinai” expose that is supposedly going to bury the PFDJ:) He started the campaign.

            But seriously, have you noticed that your, SGJ and Mahmud’s proposals for change all begin with Step 2; they sidestep step 1: how do you bring about an Eritrea that is not presided over by Isaias Afwerki? I am saying: you do it by having the PFDJ itself throwing out (arresting for trial) Isaias Afwerki and whoever else to side with him. Can you tell me what is your Step 1?

            I mean: you keep emphasizing that the PFDJ has been in power for 23 years without mentioning the corollary: the opposition has been opposing for 23 years, too. How are they going to bring about an Eritrea that is not presided over by Isaias Afwerki? Please be as specific as possible so I can assess its chances of success.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh (Saay),

            Your question as a step-1, my answer is no one knows it whether it comes by your favorite argument, “the democratic coup” or non-democratic coup, or natural death of the evil, or many unmentioned possibilities, I can’t give you an answer to it, unless you have a knowledge about the possible pregnancy of the democratic coup. I read the link you gave me about “democratic coup” but I am not convinced as the western elites always define it by how their interest is attached to them to the coup up taking place. But I will not close the window of possibilities that a coup leader could transfer power to the people, as it happened in certain countries. Don’t take it for grant Haw Saay, because a coup is a sudden overtake of power by a military and always you couldn’t predict its eventualities after it happen. In short the answer is No one know how step-1 will happen. It is everyone’s guess and based of a guess we can make a feasible argument.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel H.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I am not asking you to make a prediction. I am asking you to give me your preference. This way, I can assess its likelihood of success or time it will take. Since you have given us the blueprint for post-Isaias Eritrea, give us your preference or your expectation of how it will happen. Kab saEsaEkas…

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sorry Saay,

            Politics is the only unpredictable phenomenon especially in circumstances like ours. What I hope and cross my finger, is by whatever possibility happened, I want a fair transition, a fair system to be installed. The rest of my point as I jotted it in your previous inquiry will do a fair and a just process for a democratic and peaceful transition.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Then, do you think a fair statement to make the following generalization about the opposition is as follows:

            (1) It is very unclear, and has no plan, on how to bring about change in Eritrea; but it is very clear on how the change should be managed.

            (2) Because is very unclear, and has no plan, on how to bring about change in Eritrea, its message to the Eritrean people is muddled:

            (a) It is very generic of the ኣምላኽ ባዕሉ የርህዎ variety.
            (b) It is full of bluster: by any means necessary, when no means is being used
            (c) it is very broad: calling on “the people” to rise up against the regime (as if people anywhere in the world have risen up against their regimes)
            (d) It is unfocused: it doesn’t seek partners within the PFDJ: its blanket condemnation criminalizes “hgdef”, it offers no exit strategy and then wonders why they keep sticking with Isaias. Compare this with what the ELF did in all its messages to Eritreans working with the Ethiopian government: a conciliatory message to all our “brothers” to side with their revolution. Then, when it had grown long arms, to warn and then punish those who persisted in working with the enemy.

            Just some thoughts.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh (Saay),

            Some yes and some no. But I don’t want to debate on the weakness of the oppositions. I believe you are in the opposition camp. If we want to bring change in the opposition, we have to ask our self if we are contributing anything towards their weakness and do something to change it. I would like to contribute towards changing the status que than spent counting on their/or our failures in the struggle. I have done enough criticism. I have realized criticism without alternative is just a criticism. It doesn’t produce any change. A lesson learned is: “if you don’t want to be an alternative don’t criticize”. Just criticism only is counterproductive. My new position haw Saay.

            Hawka,

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Kbur ato Saleh,

            Some people are so organized they think in bullet marks, orderly 1, 2, 3, etc. Others are not good at that. On my side, it is not lack of theories, but I weighed all the possibilities and concluded that order comes out of chaos. Unfortunately, the chaos that the PFDJ has created will be solved in an equally chaotic manner. That is why I avoid number one as it reminds me of the bathroom 🙂

            In our situation, the forces that are poised to remove the PFDJ are so many it will be an exercise in vain to predict (let alone plan) which means will be successful. The weak forces of today could become the strongest forces in a fortnight. The alliances of today could be disrupted within a week. The powerful of today can be deemed insignificant in a few days. Examples of such turnarounds are abundant.

            Since we are living in chaos, I avoid predicting which force will become an agent of change–be it good, bad, peaceful or violent. So, if I were to predict the means, I will have to put ten scenarios and that is not a generous number at all.

            The other thing is that I do not believe that all the millions of Eritreans are disinterested in the expected change and would settle for anything that comes to them. All social and political forces have an interest and when reality hits home, each would want to assert itself and demand a better deal… and that creates a different dynamics–power, alliances, coalition, etc–which many are ruling out. In our region, we witnessed many formidable forces that popped up in a matter of weeks and became very significant. We should not consider the power and influence metrics to remain static, it will shift and swing very quickly.

            The army that is composed of roughly 200,000 people and can not be considered a bystander at best, and a PFDJ order taker at worst. A group of well organized people can topple the government and create a new reality. Not every change that happens will be beholden to the PFDJ as many assume it to be. I think that is an absurd.

            Finally, since my main goal is to see the PFDJ weeded out, I cannot rule out any of the players being successful. Pointing to one as the only would-be victor is a conviction that would result from throwing sea shells and guessing the answer (zaAgol). Besides, number one doesn’t interest me that much because there is little I can do to change the realities that were incubated, thanks to the stupidity of the PFDJ, and will be hatched by the forces that have adopted them. Whether we like it or not, we are already in the bathroom that the PFDJ pushed us to, and one day we will have to do number two, inevitable. That is why we should think more of the ugly number 2.

            My wish: a group of junior officers imitating the Derg operation against Haile Sellassie; the liberal officers of Egypt against king Farouk; Suwar AlDahab of Sudan against Numeiri. That doesn’t rule our the possibility of the Tunisian, Egyptian, Libyan or even Syrian scenarios. Since developments are very fluid, “the winds might blow against the directions that the sails wished.” Let’s pray God protects Eritrea and its people from its reckless children.

          • saay7

            Kbur Gedim Tegadalai Abo Wenber Harbenya bzuhan merakebit merbeb Awate Saleh Gadi Johar:

            Phew:)

            You and Emma are answering a question I didn’t ask. I didn’t ask you to predict; I asked you to tell me your desire, your preference on how to bring about change:) How we are going to nezi sur hgdef btkh btkh keneblo.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay, I did state my desire: a group of army people to take charge of transitional period after removing the PFDJ. I even gave you examples: Dubat Al Ahrar of Egypt, Suwar Al Dahab of Sudan and even Derg or EPRDF of Ethiopia.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah: Ah, so. Sorry I don’t know why I didn’t see it! Did they all announce/execute a sur-neqel change? I am excluding EPRDF, which waged a revolution (not a coup.)

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes. Because the institutions that rule were wiped out, but the technocrats were absorbed into the new system. Particularly the EPRDF, it used all the talents it could get and didn’t go in a vengeful way after the people of the previous system, just pick the very rotten ones. I believe whether it isa coup or a revolution, they all result in dismantling the system. Those who bring about change can be boneheads and terrorize the people, or, are wise and become inclusive. Both possibilities are there in our case. But be it revolution of coup, they are su-neqel, no one wants to keep an institutions that slapped the people so much and make them see stars in broad daylight as the saying goes–disorient them.

          • haileTG

            Ok saay, I see ya wearing year optimistic hat (again 🙂

            Let me start with case scenario where PFDJ II heaps the blame on PFDJ I. The problem with this is that it would work:

            i – if your beginnings possess sufficient good will, i.e. EPLF inheriting Dergue. EPLF was favored and dergue wasn’t (unlike this days:). Unlike such, PFDJ II use to be PFDJ I and is bare naked of any good will. It has seen failing in every single undertaking including defending the nation, we have an army that is banned from legally procuring defense requirements. Its other failures were not only dismal but completely disfigured our once hopeful nation. There are those with soft spots and there are those with bitter disdain, a fertile ground for a senseless showdown. So PFDJ II tells us the PFDJ I, for which the speaker himself has been the party to, was so horrible! It would be contradiction in terms because they would be turning the heat of bad image on themselves. Hence they have to manage and furnish excuses for some of the most gruesome atrocities of PFDJ I. At whose expense would that be?

            ii – By going for PFDJ II you would equally embolden both sides of the conflict. Now, unless we discount those hard done by the PFDJ and wish it demolished as toothless and impose on them “reformed ” version of their tormentors, they can’t be party of to that campaign pitch.

            Now, what would be wrong with saying PFDJ is totally out and out, it takes all our ills with it and lets encourage our armed forces to maintain law and order while our nation charts a new direction. An ex PFDJ can still join or form any type of movement they please, including PFDJ. But the risk of stability to the transition and beyond is much great to try to introduce an entity from our dreadful past under any cover. The Eritrean people deserve to be reassured that PFDJ is NO MORE for good, after the terrible ordeals that they went through. Many of our youth would tell you Eritrea is hell for Eritreans to live in under PFDJ today. There would be huge belittling and attacking of ex-PFDJ should they come back under new garb.

            The Army, again, doesn’t have such ill will (the fondness you mention goes here, not in PFDJ HQ), the army is made up of the crossection of our social groups, the army has a history of service to be proud of and hence it may be the most viable group to take over. Many opposition have ex PFDJ in them, that is the kind of integration I am talking about. Mesfin Hagos is EPDP and only responsible for good or bad of EPDP. His individual past is individual matter.

            So, saay, I can see the desperate situation and appreciate when people think of even PFDJ II to stop the current bleeding. That has my respect in spirit but not in its practical essence. Eritrea being what it is, it is not easy for people to distinguish between phase I and phase II of the same personalities. If anything goes wrong, their past would be brought up, no good will.

            regards

          • tes

            Dear Saay,

            Thank you for the correction and I have already modified. trying to re-post it, I couldn’t succeed and that is why it happened the comment to be posted as guest.

            here is a modified version.

            Thank you

            Hawka
            Tes

          • tes

            Dear Saleh,

            As the title of my flow chart depicts, it is not about class system. Let the PFDJ have that class system within themselves. As I am saying PFDJ is a system, it can have its own internal structure to consolidate its functionality and working ethics. Orwell’s class system is totally different from what I am trying o figure-out here. My argument is, PFDJ is a system which has defined working principle to reach all the target sectors.

            As the title says, ‘Public decision making process in Eritrea,” it is a very complex system and in-effective means of governance. PFDJ as a political unit, or a political power is one and how this power is reached to the public is another. And the main complexity that occurs is in this area. How PFDJ is reaching to the public and how decisions are taken once he landed within. In fact, no one is free and all are enslaved. But, PFDJ acts as central power and calls all stakeholders to reach a decision. Those who participate are extensions of the power that shades all the time over.

            This process is what PFDJ call it, “the Committee.” DIA played a great role in formulating the system, with many others during the Gedli era, but, once he was sure that the system is well established, just like a company (you better know that as a CEO),he became the manager.

            To be more technical, suppose DIA was an ENTREPRENEUR.” He beceame successful in tarnsforming the idea he had into a company. And the company was successful enough (successful in its own way – if the company is established to extinict people, and it is well with that, economically and strategically, it is a successful investment). And DIA was chosen as company manager. Don’t put questions in your mind that he is a not. He is, in fact more successful. EPLF was a killer, a revolutionary and revolutionary knows its job and Issaias was good for that.

            Within this logic, PFDJ is a company that was established by few entrepreneurs and DIA is the most important since the beginning. But now, DIA is a manager and if he quieted by all means, then the company still will continue unless there is a strong competition (don’t expect a FARE COMPETITION), we need a force that weed him out (to use SG’s words). No competition, but to completely WEED-OUT, this is the only solution.

            For differentiation, I brought Orwell’s class system (this could exist within the PFDJ internal administration. But, for me, I just want PFDJ to be weed-out completely what ever it has within it, my target is the system, not the class within).

            Hawka
            Tes

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear TES,

          This is very interesting flow chart that depict how the existing regime function. The problem we have is there are many citizen who have still hope on PFDJ including our own Saay the avid reader and prolific writer. Very strange, after 23 years of giving them the transitional power, still believe they need more time sounds their call..

      • tes

        Dear Saay,

        Here is the model that I coined for the Public decision making process. It is a system (the PFDJ system) that we are looking for. The system is nothing but just like the Hindu class system, the master-servant relationship.

        Hawka
        tes

      • Nitricc

        SAAY hahahah “a Dr. Jeckyll and Mr Hyde” i got to tell you a story some time that happend to me with my mom.
        for now let me get back to your take. point by point.
        Your take Point number one
        I support PIA not for what he is doing now but what he has done during the struggle era. His accomplishments are second to none and for that he should be respected. Secondly; I support PIA because he and his governments are the once who understand and stand up to the bullies the likes of TPLF and the rest. And to tell you more with all honesty; do I have a choice?
        Point number two!
        I am in a complete agreement with your point number two. Even to add to your point; even if we wanted PFDJ to continue beyond transition process; they can’t. Time is against them. You need PFDJ for smooth and peaceful transition.
        Point number three!
        Well, if the man is not up the task to lead the nation and he is still holding power, what does it say about the opposition? The point having an opposition is to challenge and to standup to leaders in power who are not up the task to lead and who are not accountable to their people. If PIA falied up to those standards, where the opposition to challenge him? They are useless. I do understand and agree with you that we need an opposition but the current oppositions are doing the opposite of what you thinking of should be. They are inhibiting for the formation of real opposition; the opposition that is necessary to pressure, corner and challenge the PFDJ. The greatest problem is PIA and the PFDJ know the uselessness of the current oppositions. Why do you think PIA laughs his head of when ever someone mentions the Eritrean oppositions? I suggest dismantling the current oppositions completely and start over. Even what is intriguing is that the toothless oppositions accuse PIA for staying in power for that long and yet, they never relinquish their position themselves either. What is the point having the opposition? Get rid of them!
        Point number four:
        Two points.for this part
        One, I agree with you, it will depend on how we proceed about being change. If we go for a sudden and forceful change, then, chaos, disarray and complete unruliness to ensue. That is the dream of TPLF and they will interfere to the point of establishing puppet government who they can order it from Mekele.
        Second;
        If we go for a peaceful and including PFDJ for a change then that is the best option and
        That is reason why we are including PFDJ. If not, PFDJ has out lived its usefulness for long time but they hold the future of Eritrea on their hand. We got to be smart with PFDJ. It might be fun to some of you to dehumanize, degrade and insult PFDJ but if the truth is to be told, then, Eritrea and her future are at the hand of PFDJ. The end of story! So, I agree it is depending how go about change. Include PFDJ with every change you have in mind.
        Point number five:
        I disagree. For a brief time it must exist some form of dictatorship who can lead and push things to get done. Be it by few people or individual. Things could turn to the worst. Our region coupled with our history and what went down the last 23 years; it is not difficult to for see some unpleasant situations. You must acknowledge what the people went through. There are a lot of people who were wronged, people with bad test in their mouth, people with hurt feeling and some cases there is blood. You may have people just out of prison after many years of wrong imprisonment? How do you think they are going to feel? It is not easy. Some strict code of conduct must be in place. So, when we say change, it does not mean open the gate and let everyone do their things. We will need some form of dictatorship for short pried of time till things stabilize. then, your notation electoral and party formation laws are to follow. I have not mention about the army but the Army will play a major role when the time comes. I will share my idea and what should be the responsibilities of the army on my next post. The Army will get us through those times.

        • saay7

          Selamat Nitricc:

          I will just focus on one point. In fairness, I think when we say “the opposition” we should qualify it by saying “the exiled opposition.” It is important that we do that because it is not like they competes with Isaiasism in Eritrea and lost; it is that they can’t compete because they have been exiled. This will also give you a proper metric: compare them with other exiled opposition: whether it is Cubans, Iraqis, Zimbabweans or Rwandans and the conclusion is that it is impossible to bring about change, as an exiled opposition, even if you are receiving unlimited and unrelenting help from your host country (as was the case with exiled Cubans.)

          The only example I can think of an exiled opposition figure who was able to rally a revolution inside was Ayatollah Kohmeini–and that’s only because he was a spiritual figure who could challenge the legitimacy of the president.

          saay

    • tes

      Dear Nitricc,

      What to say if a mind is conquered by FEAR. Just I wanted to share with you this video.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwilmfiwucA

      One thing though, your 10 points solution is a clear sign for changing the landscape of your politics. Still we want you to format the PFDJ and DIA viruses left out. If awate forum is too slow, I suggest you to visit Libya and see the youth exodus.

      Hawka,
      tes

    • Fanti Ghana

      Nitricc,
      There are many areas I agree with you, including #2, #3, #4, #5, #7, #8, #9, and 50% on #10. You see, that is already enough agreement to write a constitution on. And from what I have been reading recently I believe
      most Awatistas would agree that much too (I just read Saay’s reply to you, and it looks like #2 is going to cost me some respect).

      Now, the sticking points:

      #1. PIA has committed enough crimes to stay in power in the new Eritrea.
      Besides, that would contradict with your #8 anyway. Yes, some of us will have a childish satisfaction from his removal, but think of it as necessary sacrifice for the common good.

      #6. That would defy the whole point of reconciliation and nation building. No Eritrean should be excluded from future Eritrean affairs. It wasn’t easy for me to agree to your #2 either, so we have to agree to this mutual torture. Otherwise, you would have to have some Eritrean body (only Jaar knows elected by whom) that will decide “you are in, you are out.” Believe me that will create a circular argument that will out last Israel vs Palestine’s.

      #10. Actually, let me agree with you 65% on this one, and I will stay open minded about the remaining 35%, but this is where I stand now: I understand your caution of possible irredentism from Ethiopia, but my
      suggestion is that since it cannot be proven until it happens there is no choice but to be prudent and to keep your guards up, but to also keep in mind that it may be unwarranted suspicion. You are a military person so, let me put it in perspective: keep your gun loaded, put your finger around the trigger, but, for Jaar’s sake, open the door.

      My second reason why Ethiopia cannot be a mere spectator in the formation of a new Eritrea is two fold:

      One: security! Unlike what many Ethiopians and Eritreans believe, it is not about the ports necessarily, but about the uncontrollable security risk Ethiopia faces when having unfriendly Eritrea. Even when the land was under Ethiopian control, Eritrea has been the stepping stone of Ethiopia’s enemies throughout history. That risk was compounded when the two countries severed their friendship. So, Ethiopia needs tangible reassurance from Eritrea if we are to have a peaceful co-existence.

      [Do you see the “aden gwaln Himamen nenbeynu*” syndrome here?]

      Two: the intricacies of our relationship just cannot be erased that easily. Let alone those who has been married to for so long even a short time spouses leave their traces throughout each other’s lives almost forever. I am not saying it shouldn’t be done, but I am saying it is impossible to do.

      In a personal note: I was in Ethiopia last year, and most people seemed to be content and hopeful about what the future has for them. I did not sense any ill will toward Eritrea from anyone whatsoever. It is possible that it may not have been as hanky-dory as I imagined it, but I traveled through Awassa, Addis, Mekele, and Axum routes and I was extremely encouraged to expect a better future for both countries once peace reigns.

      * Enatena lij beshetachew leyebecha.

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    We were doing so well on the depth and quality of our discussions and the wheels came off.

    The only way for these discussions to be of any value is for us to make two assumptions:

    1. Those who are supportive of the regime and/or are skeptical of the opposition fear that if the opposition takes power, Eritrea will be a failed state or, at the very least, lose its autonomous state;

    2. Those who are opposed to the Isaias Afwerki regime fear that at the rate things are going, Eritrea will be a failed state.

    Because all the other assumptions each one makes of the other–that the other side is reckless, insenstive, lacking conscience, bigoted, weak, cowardly, etc–cannot possibly lead to any outcome other than mutual defamation. In other words, it is best if we can write to persuade and not to hector or talk down to people. Our jobs as moderators are to make sure that the spoilers (ዘራጊቶ) who have no purpose other than to disrupt are shown the door–quickly and politely–until they re-appear using a different user name and we repeat the process.

    “Fund for Peace”, the folks behind “Failed State Index” came up with 12-point marker that they aggregate to tell us which states are in danger of failing (it is most of sub-Saharan Africa.) It would be useful to us to frame our arguments along their indicators because, whether we are articulating it or not, whether supportive of the Isaias Afwerki regime or opposed, it is what we are talking about. We are just focused on different indicators. For example, for Semere T. (just picking on our latest provocateur–probably the most misunderstood because his fear is palpable), his fear is of item # 3, and 7, and 11, and 12. For Haile the gr8, it is probably: 2, 4, 6,8, 9,10,11. And so on. Wouldn’t that be a more useful discussion to have? Let’s review what makes for a Failed State:

    Social Indicators
    1. Mounting Demographic Pressures
    2. Massive Movement of Refugees or Internally Displaced Persons
    3. Legacy of Vengeance-Seeking Group Grievance or Group Paranoia
    4. Chronic and Sustained Human Flight

    Economic Indicators

    5. Uneven Economic Development along Group Lines
    6. Sharp and/or Severe Economic Decline

    Political and Military Indicators
    7. Criminalization and/or Delegitimization of the State
    8. Progressive Deterioration of Public Services
    9. Suspension or Arbitrary Application of the Rule of Law and Widespread Human Rights Abuse
    10. Security Apparatus Operates as a “State Within a State”
    11. Rise of Factionalized Elites
    12. Intervention of Other States or External Political Actors

    saay

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Saay,

      The idea is very interesting. But it is too broad, that we will be scattered to debate in different sub-topics as listed in your proposal. How about to divide it by giving certain number of days (say a week for instance) the way you set the sub-topics so all of us to debate on the same topic. Just an idea.

      Amanuel

    • Bel

      Saay,

      “…Semere T. (just picking on our latest provocateur:….”

      Your first mistake is right there. May be you should go back and re-read (Take off your bias jacked, and with out taking side) all the comments and see how it started. Semere T was communicating with Semere A (And Hope). It was haile who was throwing in insults and provocations in small comments here and there (Though replying to Semere A and pappi), he was attacking Semere T.

      The second one is a general thing. In the intent of cleaning up the house, restore and maintain civility (Commendable), you focus on kicking out (And boast about it, as if it is the end of the world) those who pop in and pop out (throw few comments here and there), instead of checking your regulars, mainly those who are trouble or provocation magnets . One example of such magnets is Haile himself. He is a bully (Deep anger issues) pure and simple. When he is insulting and bullying people, he whips any greatness (Yes he is great when he is talking about statistics and other stuff) he displays at times. The problem is such people glide in this forum with out a single እሕሕ or ዓገብ from the moderator whatsoever! That will only encourage him or others to keep on doing the same thing. Apply your rules to every one. At least the warning part. Remember, an insult is an insult, whether you do it to a presumably HGDF, or Woyanie subordinate or any body

  • haileTG

    Warning: Please DON’T WATCH if graphic images would seriously disturb you!!

    http://video.repubblica.it/rubriche/rnews/rnews-twittertime-lampedusa-i-rifugiati-e-l-eurofrontiera/165863/164352

  • Thomas

    Eritrean Independence day flyer below. Please join us if you are living in Ohio.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Sis Yodita,
    Yes indeed, it will be “a staggering and Herculean undertaking.” The groups and individuals you have mentioned in your comment are the microcosm of one side of our politics. Bringing this one side of the equation will be a heck of accomplishment. But the reality on the ground is still rough even to formulate the mechanism and structure of the process. As I always keep mentioning it, the “mistrust” is still the barrier to everything we attempt. But our effort will persist to bring an end our political quagmire.

    But one reminder though, don’t take out “Yodita” from the list you put it, for you are one of the top contributor in the discussion of our politics. Keep yourself in the loop as the burden falls to all of us. Finally, you are not treading in the fantasyland, you are treading to find interlocutors for purposes of communications between the stakeholders. The idea is noble but the task is very difficult.

    Hawki,
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatistas,

    It is regrettable to share the following clip, very short, emotionally disturbing. Make sure you don’t watch it at work:

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/140512/location-video-migrants-converge-post-war-libya

    Regards

    • Pappillon

      Dear Haile TG,

      I am in my office crying quietly. It is disturbing beyond words. Planet Earth seems to be in a mission to devour Eritreans anywhere and everywhere with all her disposals–the oceans and the deserts. The victim’s I.D. card is lying on the sand as a testament to those who are in a chronic denial where they insist that the mass exodus is not Eritrean and to those who are trying to throw an ethnic or religious curve into it as well. May God bless her soul.

      Haft’kha.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Haile TG: What is the temperature down up there? chill down brother. I thought it was a nice satirical sarcasm with swift jabs to the intended groupings. You do not deny the fact that there are opinions and people in real life who reflect the the grouping he made. I agree with you he should not assign personalities and sites, one person can be found in different categories in different situations and while addressing different topics/agendas of the day; but I took it as a satire. If not he needs to be dragged out and flogged!!!!!

    • haileTG

      Thanks brother Mahmud, and that is all I suggest too (as per your final sentence). Lets get to it and flog his butts till they’re blue 😉 ስንና ቆቆጺሮም ከምድላዮም ዶብ ከሳጉሩና ኣይኮኑን በዓል እዚኦም። ወዳጃ ናይ ኩርሙያት መንገዲ ኣየር ተረኺቡለይ’ሲ ተንከስ ዝበለ ኢትዮጵያዊ መንነት ከዕድሉ። Lets flog him then what are you waiting for… 🙂

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Haile GT: I think that is what’s happening; the guys keeps getting flogged, sometimes harshly (it seems he has developed a croc skin). I read some of your flogging posts and I find them personal. I would rather focus on ideas.

        • haileTG

          Dear brother Mahmud, be warned of a double answer because one my reply to you has been gobbled up by disqus again! Anyway, dear brother I admire your diplomatic knack and we need more people like you (honestly). But please stick to that (diplomacy) and try to influence the agenda of good. Your attempt to be a judge here by trying to dig in to me in passing is worthless. Because there are distinctions between a Judge and a Diplomat. The former is one that strives to achieve fairness and the latter is deployed to maximize partisan interests. Having liked him, excused for his folly and explaining his mythical powers of resistant invincibility, it is laughable that you wish to play the judge too. I still think you’re a great diplomat, but here at the Awate forum most of us know each other for some time now. It would have made sense to you if you weigh our encounters with Semere T at various junctions over the last year. Take saay for example, he knows as well and can relate our activities here with our overall persona as awatistas. You’re out of your depth to tell me I lack focus on ideas (in fact that is the centrally important thing I do here) I have good idea about you as I do about others too. If I were you I wouldn’t jump in to a running battles when things flare up. He called me that I regret Eritrea’s independence and am calling for us to be Ethiopia’s dependent state as a second best option. That is brutal to me and explained why. You hugged and kissed him, offered support and kicking in a belated judgmental advice to me too! Stick with a diplomat’s role brother. Judges are far too astute, far too contemplative far too like saay or something 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Halylat the Great (H.GT) Diplomats usually diffuse things; so I will not respond in kind and proportion; let the forum judge my 3 sentences against your, well, really massive reply. However I would ask you this: The reason why this thread is live is because you complained Semere Tesfai took upon himself the task of assigning people to groups? Then why are you doing that? Why do you characterize people as astute..judges…diplomat..etc?

          • haileTG

            Well played Mahmud! 3 sentences are enough to move the earth let alone to generate a paragraph long response. I have specific things that would trigger me to go for a total war. Since we are just getting to know each other I would let you know one of them is Ethiopianizing Eritreans for simply asking their rights. Agree or disagree is once prerogative but to finally elevate to unilaterally dispute their Eritreanness is evil beyond tolerance to me. I made the same mistakes (to some extent in the past) but duly apologized and maintained myself clear of that folly. I will repeat that I was called to be ” ተጋጊና ካብ ኢትዮጵያ ተፈለና፡ ሕጅ’ውን ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ተተጸጋዕና ‘ዩ ” mentality in the comment you endorsed. መንነት ምሕካኽ ገበን እዩ። መንነት ኤርትራዊ ክሓክኽ ዝተቃለሰ ድማ ገበነኛ እዩ። ታሪኽ ከኣ ክዝክሮ እዩ። Mahmud complementing people for evident character as diplomatic, nice, fair, judicious can’t be equivalent as accusing them of high treason and defaming them as against the state and the blood shed to realize it. Again, please stop patronizing brother Mahmud, you told me to focus on ideas and what idea of mine was Semere T focusing on when I was slighted like that? You decided to like (hence endorse) his unwarranted personal attacks, you went on to mitigate and justify the nature of his allegations and finally you went on to pass judgement on me, the one drawn into all this, to focus on ideas and not personalities! Could you have said the same to him? I know it may be difficult for us to sense how others might be seeing things. That is why I try to limit my interfering on exchanges that getting intense for a reason. Again, people can be many things but honesty is high in my books. I have many HGDEF friends who have personal trust and association with me, they are not my enemy and they honestly state what they think. That is fine with me. Dishonesty is dangerous.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Haile GT: It’s OK. I never intended it to be “patronizing”, I double checked my comments. I could see your honesty as evidenced by your passionate reply, I would demand you to show my dishonesty, but never mind, I will refrain from overreacting. It all started when I replied to alert Yodita of the last sentence of what I still think was a satire/sarcasm..of Semere, and she accepted it, case closed.I am sorry what I thought was a modest suggestion caused this big fire.
            salam.

          • Bel

            Just to put things into perspective:
            – Old haile used to label people as Woyanie Sell outs, while some people were calling him higdef
            But for some mysterious reason he just folded in (Like no other! ), and
            – Now the new Haile labels people as HGDF (With all kind of hideous adjectives and insults to accompany with) in a negative way, as he pleases, and pours acid on HGDF (His own words)
            So, basically the show of or drama he is displaying now can be summarized as : “It is Ok, to label people as HGDF in a negative way (and present it as some kind of monster thing) accompanied with all kinds of adjectives and insults the English and Tigrigna languages can provide, but it is a crime for the other side to call a woyanies subordinate, “a woyanie” subordinate, and call it the way they see it”
            By the way, how does Haile know who is HGDF and who is not in this forum? And if he labels a person as HGDF in one comment, then in another comment, if he slugged HGDFites in all kinds of derogatory words, isn’t that equal to insulting the person he just labeled as HGDF?. where is the respect?
            Here is the thing I think is missing in this individual: He has not clue of a thing called “Checking your own temperature”
            The way he thinks he is and the way people thing of what he is saying is totally different. He says Honesty is in his books, well we see his book is not only dishonest, but corrupt bully and no moral conduct

  • Thomas

    If you are living in Ohio, Please join us to celebrate Eritrean
    independence day on Saturday, May 31, 8:00 PM – 2:30 AM @ Selam
    Restaurant:

    1383 S Hamilton Rd, Columbus, OH 43227

    • gize

      what will you do in the independence day , while you go spare 120,000 euro which was given by Eritreans to help you make change in Eritrea shaebia is laughing at you , now you want to just get loose with this money. You are not representative of the Eritrean people. and you people are one reason isiais is still in power.

  • Gize

    Dan connell is with out any clue he just always talk , talk , talk and talk, in 2004 he said the eritrean government will collapse with in 5 years which is 2009 and yet it is 2014 now , and now he is saying he(issias) will die next 3 to 5 years , i guess he is in a deep sea of hallucination. The Eritrean people are the only source to remove issais from power not by just number calling. BY the way in what way is this crazy man an eritrean , how is he eritrean ? he is just a time bomb that will be thrown out to one corner again , please we eritreans should just stop following such people they are just a waste of time.

  • Pappillon

    Awatewian,

    Dan Connell in his recent interview slaps Isaias-the-tyrant with an expiry date. He says, he expects to see a regime change with in the next 3-5 years. Dan Connell atributes the regime change with in the said time frame to Isaias’ cirrhotic liver. What caught my eyes however is not his bold statement about Isaias’ as he put it complicated health issue but even though Dan Connell is an Eritrean by an stretch of measurement, he is an outsider as well as such, his observation warrants a heed. Mind you, he is not saying anything about mass uprising with in the country or coup d’etat or a concerted effort of the Opposition to bring about a regime change rather Dan Connell seems to have lost any hope other than a natural cause that would ultimately relieve Eritrea of her predicament. ዳን ኮነል መዚኑ ዝናዓቐና ይመስል

    • Nitricc

      Pappi have you lost your mind all together? How on earth is the white guy to be Eritrean?
      “Connell is an Eritrean by any stretch of measurement,” how?
      Regarding Connell making a prediction PIA’s death. Write this down what about to tell you. Connell will die before PIA does. Again write that down. The Tigryans were predicting PIA’s death and the death of angle took theirs, PMMZ was gone in a heart bit.
      Again how is he Eritrean?

      • Pappillon

        Nitricc,

        Dan Connell traced his ancestry on ancestry.com and to his surprise his mother happens to be from ድምብዛን and his father is from ዓዲተከሌዛን. On a serious note: he spent and counting better part of his life fighting for a country as he put it fell in love with when he first set his foot on Eritrea. He probably knows more about Eritrea’s social, political and of course historical threads than the rest of us including you. He is part of us and he is one of us. He is an Eritrean. Now if you have a problem with that, I suggest you open your window and stick your neck out and yell at any passer-by.

        Haft’kha.

        • Thomas

          The below is why I like you:

          “Now if you have a problem with that, I suggest you open your window and stick your neck out and yell at any passer-by”

          Great suggestion for someone who encountered sensory impairments (commonly as blindness and deafness). I am really ashamed to see such people as part of our community (Are we not humans? This is the question that always crosses my mind?

          • Pappillon

            Dear Thomas,

            Thank you for those kind words. Nitricc is a character where most of us are fond of not only because of impulsiveness but sense of innocence in him as well. He probably comes here to chill as opposed to make a serious contribution to the ongoing thread of debates. Nitricc, if you’re reading this, no patronizing or condescending intended.

            Haft’kha.

          • Thomas

            You have accurately said it. I agree with you with NO reservation (100%:)). In the future, when I read his writings, I will think of his purposeless writing as a supporter of the purpose regime:))

          • Nitricc

            Thomas to be honest with you I never cared and I never will to people like you who have no character. You told us, you told this forum “if Nitricc is not banned you will never ever participate on awate.com. What the hell are you doing in here then? I am not banned why did you come back? Liar!

        • Hope

          Two questions for you Pappi:
          -What evidence or proof do you have about his alleged ancestry—I mean where is the DNA test,and how and when were these done or where they really done or you are making a joke?-?
          -How can you ruel out that he coul dhave been a CIA/double agent while dealing with Eritrean Struggle including now,as this how the western Intelligence works any way?Do you happen to kown about his ex-wife,PMMZ’s closest friend during th eTPLF armed struggle era and to the last minute of his death?
          Can’t you make something out of this?

          • Pappillon

            Hope,

            Are you for real? I sure wouldn’t call you a retard for it is politically incorrect but of course, that is a give away for you’re one of Isaias’ lackeys. Do you actually expect Dan Connell to be from either ዓዲተከሌዛን or ድምብዛን? It was obviously a joke. So what is the big deal if he was a spy or something like that in the first place? The point is he has contributed tremendous to Eritrea and Eritreans and that is what matters the most. There is a strong evidence indicating that Isaias was a spy of or for the King when he first set his foot on Mieda Eritrea and that doesn’t count out the fact that he fought for Eritrea’s independence. Dan Connell is a true Eritrean in every sense of the word and we should all be grateful for the great service he has done for our country.

          • Pappillon

            Hope,

            Are you for real? I sure wouldn’t call you a retard for it is politically incorrect but of course, that is a give away for you’re one of Isaias’ lackeys. Do you actually expect Dan Connell to be from either ዓዲተከሌዛን or ድምብዛን? It was obviously a joke. So what is the big deal if he was a spy or something like that in the first place? The point is he has contributed tremendous to Eritrea and Eritreans and that is what matters the most. There is a strong evidence indicating that Isaias was a spy of or for the King when he first set his foot on Mieda Eritrea and that doesn’t count out the fact that he fought for Eritrea’s independence. Dan Connell is a true Eritrean in every sense of the word and we should all be grateful for the great service he has done for our country.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Hope (Tesfu),

            Why do – you people always try to drag us into an Ethiopian issue. Why don’t we stick with our problems, and talk to find resolutions? If someone has nothing to talk about our nation, can he/she simply listen and watch the debate pertinent to our nation?

  • haileTG

    Ok you’re in for a punch bag, again!

    I once asked a smart young and aspiring guy in Eritrea if he considered professional career in his field in Eritrea admiring his talent. What he said left me broken hearted (in fact, keeps recurring to me every time I see people like you). He said “oh haile, what sort of people do you think These are [hgdef]? let alone to see some one develop their career or whatever, you would see them incensed perturbed to even see us wearing a decent looking shirt”!! Indeed, hasad, qursus, meKalf, fits you all really well.

    In the past, you utterly missed your focus and drooled everywhere at hearing what we use to tease here “haile the great”! Get to grips it doesn’t pay anything it is just a teasing. Now, you were incensed to hear the great feat that my brothers achieved so that your hassad self can have a country to call yours!! The point wasn’t about what you got incensed for, i.e me claiming honor for that..huh what a useless punchbag that would make you. The point is here, GET IT:

    “That I don’t or never questioned the independence of my country that my brothers died for”

    Nothing more and nothing less. It was the measure of my commitment to the fact that the lame writer associated me with stupid cause carelessly. You only saw what your hassad mentality can sniff, that someone is taking gratification…sad really. Look what you made out of my country…no one would get diplomatically close to your type and avoid you at any cost like disease carrying vector. Sadistic, anti-humanity, the abyss of darkness and death, sickness that is costing us so much. Fix you brain, your heart, your soul.

    I have no heroism to claim, at the same time, time wont be long before you get what you deserve and go down in all fours to pick up your rotten teeth. So, my point is my brothers died for a cause that I am committed to. You wouldn’t understand that because you have been seen here ecstatic about the tragedies happening to Eritreans all over, your hassad, qursus, sadistic mentality only sniffs if people are potentially gratified for any little thing, you hallucinate, you imagine and you sweat when you wrongly lead your self astray with your sick imaginations.

    The good thing is all of hgdef is dog on dog and when you expire, a rat would have better chances of being recognized for what little contribution it made. You will equal to naught.

    • Bel

      What? “haile the great”! is just a teasing? No kidding! Pheeew! what a relief. You see, from over here all we see is Haile ዕቡድ ከልቢ, desperately in need of መርፍእ.

      Punch bag, huh? Cool, let us see how long it takes before you hide you sissy self up the skirt of the moderator. Time watch, anybody? You don’t even have a clue that the moderator lets you read only the comments they believe are light to your faint heart.

      ጨጉርኺ ከንጽየኪ እየ ኣብዚኣ

      Now back to the topic at hand. Semere T’s comment and your usual halewlow. Pay attention now, ok? no hunky punky stuff, no playing with words, no more taking credit for something you haven’t done yourself, ok?

      ” What did Haile, the ዕቡድ ከልቢ personally did towards of Eritrean independence, towards maintaining Eritrean independence, towards the border war, towards protecting Eritrean sovereignty?”
      Go , now… Start with “I did…..”

      .

  • Semere Tesfai

    ሃይለ

    “Semere, the runner boy! always the runner boy. Look into the mirror it is you who left the nation to Ethiopias rulers of the day and my brothers have been to hell and back to finish it off.”

    ሃይለ፡ እቶም የሕዋተይ ኢልካ ትንየተሎም ዘለኻ ንዓይውን ኣይረሓቑንን።

    ህድማ? ብሓቂ ኣይተጋገኻን፡ ግን በይነይ ኣይሃደምኩን፡ ውድብ ምሉእ ‘ዩ ሃዲሙ። እነ በዓል ዓቢ ክእለትን በዓል ዓቢ ኣበርክቶን ኣይነበርኩን፡ ሕጂውን ኣይኮንኩን። ግን፡ ሰብ ‘ታ ዓቕሙ’ዩ ዝገብር፡ ኣነ ድማ እታ ዓቕመይ ንሃገረይ ኣይበቐቕኩላን (ሽዑ)።

    ኣብ ገድሊ፡ ስርሐይ ትእዛዝ ምፍጻም እዩ ነሩ (ዓስከሪ/ሙቓትል)፡ ዝተኣዘዝክዎ ከኣ ስጋብ መጨረስታ ደቒቕ ብግቡእ ፈጺመ። ሱዳን ክኣቱ ከለኹ ካኣ፡ ደም ዛዕ-ዛዕ እንዳልኩ ተጸይረ እየ ኣትየ።

    ሕጂ – ለባም ኢኻሞ ንገረኒ። ምሉእ ውድብ ክሃድም ከሎ፡ መን’ዩ ተሓታቲ? ኣነ ጨጓር ዳንጋዶ – ዋላስ?

    But that is not the point here. Our argument here is not about our past; it is about the future of Eritrea and Eritreans. Tell me how we should move forward; tell me your vision of tomorrows Eritrea, tell me what we ought to do to get ourselves out of this mess…….because whatever happened in the past belongs to historians, not me and you.

    Thank you

    • haileTG

      ሰመረ

      ብቕያ የሕዋተይ ሽሕ ግዝየ ክንየት እየ። ሕጂ’ኸ እንታይ የሕምመካ፡ ናይ ሓርገጽ፡ ዋላ ናይ ፍሕኛ ዘይብሉ ከልቢ’ዶስ ዋላ ካልእ ክትብሎ’ዶ ደሊኻ? ህድማ’ኻ ምተቐበልናዮን፡ ምተረዳእናዮን፡ ኣይትጎላብብ፡ እቲ ጉዳይ ሃዳሚ ክነስኻ፡ ዓጽመ ስጋና ዝተቐበሩላ መሬት ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ክትሕውስዋ ትደልዩ ኢልካ ምንሻውካ እዩ። እምበር ናይ ከምዚ ዓይነት ሰንኮፍ ተሞክሮ እንተዘይህልወካ’ዶ ጎቦ ጎቦ ክትብል ግዝየ ምዓረበካ። ለባምን ፈረቓን ድማ እምበር ወስኸሉ ድማ፡ ናትካ ምንእኣስ ዝሰርሕ ከይመስለካ፡ ተመሊሱ ከዳቕቐካ እዩ ንርእስኻ። ሎሚ ንኤርትራውያን ቅስሞም ክሰብር እየ ኢሉ ዝብገስ ከምናትካ፡ ዋላ ሰላም ዋላ ካልእ እንተበለ፡ ተንከስ ኢሉ ናብ ዘብሎ የለን። ቀደም ተጋዲልካ ሎሚ ብጥፍኣት ህዝብኻ ተንደላሕቕ ዘሎኻ ጃንዳ መኽመስመሲ እንታይ ዋጋ ኣለዎ’ሞ። ሱቕ እኮ ክብረት እዩ። ካራ ከተቐብል ካብ ነቐልካ ግን፡ ንተልሜደን ትጻወተሎም እምበር፡ በዚ ሸነኽ’ሲ ናይ ዘሎ ሕሳብካ ተጎምጊምካ ክትከይድ ኢኻ። ኣብ ናተይ መጻሕፍቲ ሰላምን ምጉምባሕን ፍልልይ ኣለዎ። እወ መሚኻ ፍለጦ።

  • Dawit

    ..

    • Pappillon

      Dear Dawit,

      Your creative imagination is boundless. Brilliant!!!

      Haft’kha.

      • Dawit

        Selam Pappillon,
        Thanks for complementing me on my sketch. The sketch could have been developed more though.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Good job, and just quick thought. I would make the bed just a rug on the floor (the bed and the pillow make it appear more luxurious than one would normally expect in our prisons, per wedi Temelso series on assenna.

      • Dawit

        Dear Mahmud,
        You are right. It should have reflected the true picture of the prison in Eritrea. I Will correct in future sketches. Thanks for your constructive criticism.

      • AboyTesfay

        I agree about the bed .also the person lying in the bed should be a skinny looking who is about to die because of starvation/sickness:)?. Keep up the good work Ato Dawit..

  • Thomas

    Columbus Ohio Celebrating Independence Day on Saturday, May 31, 8:00 PM -2:30 AM @ Selam Restaurant

    Address: 1383 S Hamilton Rd, Columbus, OH 43227

    • Nitricc

      Thomas the white guy is in the house. you are back lol. i am happy my two enemies are back. Thomas and Ermias.
      Thomas what does ASIRN SELESTEN mean. i get the SELESTE IS to mean three but what is Asirn mean.
      read the Tigrigna version, i guess you guys trying to say 23rd. I guess when you are toothless opposition; you can even write right. lol

      • Thomas

        Someone else caught that mistake ahead of you. Anyways, thank you for the feedback.

  • Thomas

    If you are living in Ohio, Please join us to celebrate Eritrean independence day on Saturday, May 31, 8:00 PM – 2:30 AM @ Selam Restaurant:

    1383 S Hamilton Rd, Columbus, OH 43227

    • Julian

      Kitambaru yetefa neger!

  • Nitricc

    I have expressed the irony I felt on the death of the B-general and what is even greater irony is the how the toothless wanna be oppositions are feeling toward the dead general. The sympathy is ironically astonishing. My point is you are supposed be one the none existence members of opposition and shouldn’t you be happy one of your enemy, PFDJ is dead? Isn’t something you should celebrate and jump in joy he is dead? Remember he is one of your staunch enemies i.e. PFDJ. I don’t get it. Why do you care? Is there anyone more confused that you people?

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hey Nitricc,

      Do you know why we are sympathetic to the “patriot Omer Tewil” or others who died in the same manner? it is because we believe one has to die by the natural process or by due process of court of law, even if he has done criminal act. So it is not Irony at all if you hear sympathetic reaction from the opposition. Don’t forget we are fighting to bring the rule of law to our nation being terrorized by the evil system of PFDJ. We always defend for those who are dying without facing the court of law.

    • Semere Andom

      Emma, nice simple summary about due process for the simplistic
      Nitricc:
      I would also add, if society does not give to a criminal and every PFDJ is a criminal a due process we become like them. Due process is a mechanism through which we avoid the notion that some of some people are the sole custodians of truth, and truth whether one is guilty or innocent will be determined by different bodies where the accused has his say, contrast that with the G-15 who have been commented by all PFDJ supporters. When I say all PFDJ are criminals, this is allegation and it must be challenged and proved beyond a reasonable doubt, hopefully in the presence of jury of their peers and with the right not to incrimate themselves respected.

      But there are some PFDJ supporters who I allege are criminals, but I will support that they will not be persecuted by reason of insanity and here I am disagreeing with the very HUMAN and critical thinker Serray,who was never wrong in his diagnosis of humans as protozoans. So when when we oppose the death of Tewil, RIP, we are not saying he is innocent, we are saying due process was not followed, that it was in a whim of one lunatic leader and when we say he was a hero, because we are nice and we do not erase facts and rewrite history as the PFDJ did with the G-15. These are basics that every American Soldier know, yes even those soldiers who humialted prisoners in Abu-Ghreb prison and those who urinated on dead bodies and it sad that, a promising Eritrean lad cannot internalize this and there was hope in your comment from yesterday and I called Sal to deliver my congras for his long overdue break when your buddying talent emerged then you have to undue it today: “seytan tsibQti disti yseriH emo mekdeni yrseAla”

      Sem

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Sem,

        I can’t agree more. We will use every tools to change to those who are incarcerated in the philosophy of PFDJ system.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Semere Andom

        “If society does not give to a criminal and every PFDJ is a criminal a due process we become like them”

        Like who? You are them (PFDJ). How are you different from them (PFDJ)? That is exactly where you are dead wrong. These people (PFDJ leaders) never been to court, you never presented to the public and to the court their crime, they never had a chance to defend themselves and you are telling us THEY ARE CRIMINALS. Since you have already made-up your mind (they are criminals), the outcome of your justice is crystal clear: it is REVENGE JUSTICE.

        And you are telling us with no shame you are different, and you are claiming to be the democratic alternative to PFDJ. Please don’t tell me your opinion represents the opposition.

        • Semere Andom

          Semere Tesfay;

          have you ever heard a prosecutor saying the accused is innocent, I am the prosecutor saying that all PFDJ are criminals, therefore we must follow due process, and you know what due process entails and prove to the court the crimes these people have committed. And the burden is on the prosecutors to prove that. Quote me correctly and fully and verbatim. I also said “When I say all PFDJ are criminals, this is allegation and it must be challenged and proved beyond a reasonable doubt”
          Now who is saying things with no shame
          You remind me of PFDJ when they smeared Haile DeruE, (whose arrest you seem to condone by your deafening silence on the matter of unlawful arrest ) for defeatism for saying “tetlaQina” by leaving other things he said. For this reason and your addressing the opposition in third person, I will from now on consider you a PFDJ supporter who has not come out of the closet yet

          Sem

          • Semere Tesfai

            Semere Andom

            As a prosecutor you are telling us that all PFDJ are criminals, of course from your comfort home in Canada; and the PFDJ are calling you from home, from Canada and from allover the globe you are a Woyane agent, you are a traitor, you are a sellout……

            Now tell me: where does your bright idea take us? Civil war. Right?

          • Semere Andom

            Tegadalai Semere Tesfai:

            True to your record of debating you are cannibalizing, trivializing the debate and questions
            But since you asked here is my brialinat idea: Let us bring my allegation ( PFDJ are criminals) and your allegation (PFDJ type allegation) of sellouts to a court of law and let us duke it out there, and the burden is on you (PFDJ) to open the court as you are the thieves that have confiscated from us and installed your shameful court and kangaroo judges. This will save us from the civil and can be done at the snap of a finger and me and you can join together and call anyone who does not support the new court, sellouts and woyanes. What do you think Semere T?
            I have also noticed that you have ingored my questions about your stand on the unlawfull arrests and your deafening silence of PFDJ’s draconian treatment of our people.
            Did you fight to create a neck of land or for both land and rule of law.

            Sem

          • Bel

            Semere Tesfai,

            I think labeling these fools as “Woyanie agents” would be a complement. These are basically subordinates, self haters, inferior creatures who are trying hard to attract the attention of Woyanie to be their master.

            Basically they are neither good to Eritrea nor to Ethiopia, as no body wants a self-hater

    • Semere Tesfai

      Nitricc

      The opposition are not sad Tewil (or any high ranking PFDJ official) is dead; they are just sad he was killed by Isaias not by them. But for sure they all (PFDJ leaders) are criminals until proven innocent.

      If the opposition wins, first they will arrest all PFDJ leaders and then they will dispatch teams to fish for barbaric crimes that were committed by them.

      Until then, every individual arrested, exiled or killed by the PFDJ regime is a hero, a democratic…. Get used to it.

      • Semere Andom

        Semere T:
        I remember in one of your verbose comments to Sal you demanded fairness of him also I demand from you the same when criticizing the opposition. In your comment to hope you said that I among other awatisats are for unity with Ethiopia, where is the fairness.
        Since you volunteer for the guy who demands “evidences” even when told that he promised democracy as a rebel, show “evidences”, please that can be counted as fairness for you
        I Would actually respect you more if you came out of the closet and openly support PFDJ, there is a position to fill for the male version of Sophia Tesfamariam in the PFDJ, and you will shine and blossom. I am not kidding, she said that in a meeting on Sunday her in Canada:-)
        You have not condemned Omaro’s arrest and you have not said tsinAt yhabkum kem nay abotatka about Tewil.
        Tewil, Omara and all the PFDJ victims are heroes, as I said before we have a class we do not strip people from their impressive work during the armed struggle, we want due process even for the criminals, even for IA, if IA is arrested and killed in the parking lot for me it will mean injustice and it will render our struggle mean less, it will mean my father’s struggle was useless, it will mean your struggle, the struggle of Gadi Emma and another nameless tegadalti meaningless. That is my position. Unless you believe, like all PFDJ supporters the struggles was waged solely to define and claim a neck of land called Eritrea
        Sem

        • haile

          Hey Semere Andom:

          That M.General Tewil’s death is not announced (just like the others) tells you what hgdef are worth to their boss, NOTHING. They’re only good to lick his boots and roll over and die. Ts’nat yhabkum is for God not man, but it tends to tantalize hgdef buchulowoch to think that they are becoming like us, humans with human dignity…dream on 🙂

          • Semere Andom

            Is this Haile TG?
            I agree, but I wanted to give Semere Tesfay the benefit of the doubt as guy who trying to balance by trying to savour some of the redeemable qualities of EPLF that PFDJ has claimed by disappearing the owners of those qualities. But he is a full fledged PFDJ supported who is a few “sdri” away from becoming the ST, slowing emerging from the closet so to speak
            thanks
            Sem

          • haileTG

            Yes it is Sem. Actually the guy seyTan ala’Eluley neyru lomi Ethiopia do wala gele kble 🙂 zhil ele aleKu hiji. Even for him, he is worth NOTHING after all this service of OTTO to the toothless dictator.

      • ALI-S

        Nitricc, Semere T, & AT

        How sad to hear the death of such a lofty guy.

        I see what you guys are saying and I do agree with all especially Nitricc & Semere T. I do not want to sound critical here especially that the piece of news is well written by Gedab and deserves the greatness of the man.

        It has always been my position that when someone dies, only the positive side of their lives should be discussed in the comments section associated with the news. If not for anything else, to pay respect for the grieving family. I hope that the objection of the relative mentioned in the news above becomes right and the general is well and alive.

        However, since some such as Sem Andom and others are taking things out of the way, it would not hurt to say a few words. Here I must note that I do appreciate the tremendous effort that the two great men in aware are doing to provide us with the best possible venue under the circumstances. I do understand the personal burdens that SG & SY have taken upon themselves and their families to dedicate themselves to a job well done.

        Therefore what we say, I hope does not be taken personal or an attempt to diminish the goodness here but to add towards making things as perfect as possible. My call, in my new U-Turn state is that we all reflect maturity and restraint from the petty and childish in what we raise and discuss. This is especially true for anything that carries Gedab or AT name as it carries with it some formal personality.

        In the case of Omer Tewil, Gedab reported a perfect and very professional piece as is the case with most Gedab news. To quote from the above:

        “Major General Tewil joined the Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF) in the sixties of the last century …. Together with Omero, Mesfin Hagos, Ramadan Mohammed Nur, Alamin Mohammed Saeed, and others, Tewil is considered one of the founders of the PLF1.”

        This gives the picture of a perfect guy. But on googling the name I found “The Snake & Its Skins” written by Awate Team in 2009 where it says the following when describing the same Omer Tewil along with many others:

        “Maj. General. Commander, Southern Zone: A man with a weakness for alcohol and the
        company of easy women, Tewil is based in Mendefera. Has had several cases of drunk driving accidents.”

        Say I am someone who is doing some research on Omer Tewil or a young Eritrean who wants to know about the great men and women of our struggle, what do I gain by reading the piece of rubbish about a man who spent half a century doing what he thought was good for his country.

        My point is that we need consistency and a few ethical constraints whenever we decide to trash people’s reputation. Even if they are your enemies a minimum level of respect for their personal dignity is only part of the game. We shouldn’t let the vengeful and wicked amongst us set the rules for us.

        I hope I helped

        • Pappillon

          Dear Ali Salim,

          You have a point there, but my reading is that, one criticizes the living and respects the dead. It seems that is precisely what AT has done. I don’t see any double talk if you will.

          Haft’kha.

          • ALI-S

            Pappi,

            Me too. I just wanted to see if there are better ways of doing similar things in the future. We are all learning here. May be there are better ways of doing politics without having to sacrifice our moral values and respect for the dignity of persons.

          • Pappillon

            I totally agree ለባም ዘረባ ሓወይ

        • Semere Andom

          Brother Ali Salim:
          I agree on the overall nub of your comment to be sensitive when any human being goes to his/her eternal repose in deference to the families and to the humanity.
          I was wondering how did the guy called Sem Andom “take it out of the way” for solely lamenting in general terms the docility of former heroes?
          About your beef on what the article “Snake and its Skins” said about Tewil, public service has its perks and its occupational hazards, if you run for office or hold public office you must be scrutinized and that is what this article. So your criticism swaddle with flatter is misplaced. If someone is deciding on our fate him everything must be revealed. We have to tell their heroism, but we should not canonize them. The impeccable record of life time struggle should not sanitize the crimes/mistakes and the crimes and mistakes and follies should not blemish the impeccable record.
          I am shocked about your unfailingly evolving tendency to quarantine the recklessness of the liberators turned tormentors. What does the young researcher gain by knowing this? Balanced knowledge, therefore informed and empowered citizen.

          Sem

  • Hope

    ንሱ ይፈትወና ካባና ንላዕሊ –
    ንሱ የመርሓና ነብስና ክንኣሊ –
    ፍቅሩ ዘይጽንቀቅ ነባሪ ቀጻሊ –
    ምሕረት ክህበካ ኣዕዚዝና ንጽሊ ::
    ንልምን ንራሕመቱ –
    ንልምን ንምሕረቱ
    Couretsy of kokhob Selam

    • haile

      This is for Hope and not KS

      Dear Hope, as they say “sheytan n’Amelu mexhaf qudus y’TeqE” or “weKari’a xadq ktmesL zwa’wE t’Asr”. Stop justifying
      dictatorship, stop blaming victims and excusing killers, stop being a mouth piece of a brutal regime that is destroying our nation, stop talking with forked tongue to entrap unsuspecting Eritreans. Only then you can fool anybody with your religious mumbo jumbo. We sure are going to fight, we sure are going to stand up and we sure are going to win. Lmus hilna hizka, nKalE ketelms
      aythawt’t. The regime of IA is on its last leg, if there is something bothering you, may be it is time to run as fast as you can now. But no thanks to your part time sermon after working over the clock to justify the destruction of our people and nation. Keep it to yourself.

      VERY ANGRY HAILE… 🙂

      • Hope

        Let God judge us—
        Be yourself,brother.
        You have NO clue about people you are talking about and it seems like any body who does NOT listen to you or any one who is NOT on your “only way”–is considered sheytan/HGDEF—Kudos to you!!!.
        I have been,I AM and will be the same Hope—I stand firm on my stand and principles,no matter what,now and forever and ever…
        AMEN!
        Praise the LORD of the lords–
        I DECLARE this: “Ni-Seitan Ekhid–hijin ni wetrun”
        Yes Kibri Ni Amlak—ni zel’alem.
        I BELIEVE in” Forgetting and FORGIVENESS—and Reconicliation-be it on an individual or National Basis/level.
        My daily breads are,….” Faith,Love and Hope”–try them…

        Hope

        • Semere Tesfai

          Hope

          ተስፎም ሓወይ ኣይፋልካን፡

          ‘ታይ ገበረካ ‘ዝኣምላኽ – ኣብ ፍርዲ ዓዋተን፡ ኣሰናን፡ ኣዝማሪኖን፡ መስከረምን፡ ተስፋ News…..ትጐቶ። ኣምላኽካ – ክመሚ ዝኽእል ጥዑይ ሓንጎል፡ ጽቡቕ ዘርእየካ ዓይኒ፡ ምስ ብዙሓት ከራኽበካ ዝኽእል ናይ Internet ዕድል፡ ምስ ብዙሓት ከካትዓካ ዝኽእል ናይ ትምህርቲ ዕድል…….ሂብካስ – ሕጂኽ ‘ታይ ግበር ኢኻ ትብሎ ዘለኻ? እዚ ኹሉ ሂብካስ መሊሱ ድማ ካብ ሰማይ ወሪዱ ባዕሉ ክፈርደልካ? ‘ታይ ገበረካ ወደይ?

          በል ስማዕ ቁሩብ ክሕግዘካ – ‘ታይ ‘ዩ ጨናኻ? ‘ታይ ዩ ቖለኻ ማለተይ ‘የ? ማለተይሲ ወግሐ-ጸብሐ ‘ታይ ዓይነት ዕጣን ኢኻ ክትዕጠን ትደሊ?

          – እንተዳኣ – ኤርትራ ዓነወት፡ ጠፍአት፡ ሃለቐት፡ ከም ወረቐት ቃል-ቃል ኢላ ነደደት፡ ኣብ ጫፍ ጸድፊ ጠል-ጠል በለት፡ ከደት ጸደፈት፡ ኡ………ይ፡ ጠፋእና….እዋይ፡ እዋይ….እዋይ…..

          ኢትዮጵያ ድማ ተሓምበበት፡ ሰልጠነት፡ ተማህረት፡ ከደት ንኣፍሪቃ ንድሕሪት ገዲፋታ ንማእከላይ-ደርቢ ደየበት፡ ኢትዮጵያ ደሞክራስያዊት ኮነት፡ ንምዕራባውያን ሃገራት ኣርከበተን፡ ደጊም ቐደመተን፡ ተጋጊና ካብ ኢትዮጵያ ተፈለና፡ ሕጅ’ውን ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ተተጸጋዕና ‘ዩ ዝሓልፈልና……ዝዓይነቱ ጨና ኮንካ መዓልቲ፡ መዓልቲ ክትዕጠን ትደሊ፡

          ዋእ፡ ርሑቕ ከይከድካ – ኢዮባይ፡ ተጋ. ክፍለ፡ ፓፒልዮን፡ ሃኢለ The Great: ሰመረ ዓንዶም፡ ኣማን፡ ኣሰና፡ ኣዝማሪኖ…. መዓልቲ-መዓልቲ ብስራት ከምጽኡልካ እዮም እሞ፡ ንስኻ ኻኣ ‘ማዓልኩም ምባል ኣይትሕመቕ።

          – እንተዳኣ – ኤርትራ ንናይ Millennium Goal ሓሊፋቶ ከደት፡ ተሓምበበት፡ ተወንጨፈት፡ ራህያታትናን ባሕርናን በለቕ-በለቕ በለ፡ ቆፎና መለአ፡ ጸሓይና በረቐት፡ ሃገር ተሃንጸት፡ ህዝብና ብሓንቲ ልቢ ብሓንቲ ህርመት ብሓደ ሓሳብ ንቕድሚት ሰጎመ፡ መን ከማና፡ ንሕና ብጽፍርና፡ ኣይንልምን ኣይንቖራባዕ…..

          እንተ – ምፍልላይ፡ ልማኖ፡ ጥሜት፡ ዓጸባ፡ ሕማም፡ ዕርቃን፡ ማይ ጽምኢ፡ ድንቁርና፡ ቱዃን፡ ቁንጪ፡ ቁማል፡ ቦጀለ፡ ቢልሃርዚያ፡ ዓሶ፡ ኤይድስ……ኩሎም – ሩዖም ጠቕሊሎም ናብ ኢትዮጵያኦም እዮም ተዓዚሮም………ዓይነት ጨና ‘ተኾንካ ትፈቱ ካኣ – ዋእ፡ ኣለናልኪ፡ ደሃይ፡ ተስፋ News፡ ሞዳት፡ ሓደ-ሓደ ጊዜውን መስከረም ምምልላስ ከድልየካ እዩ።

          – እንተዳኣ ለባም ኮንካ ግን፡ ንእምላኽ ከይተጸበኻ፡ ንኹሉ ርኢኻ፡ ባዕልካ ምዘን።

          ወደሓንካ

          • haileTG

            Semere: I am lost for words! So you mention me in passing as you belch out your cranky allegations:

            “ተጋጊና ካብ ኢትዮጵያ ተፈለና፡ ሕጅ’ውን ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ተተጸጋዕና ‘ዩ ዝሓልፈልና”

            In other words, you would like to dig up the graves my martyred brothers because I didn’t bow down to your thrill revenge machine dictator that is destroying my nation and my people. He owns it, and I don’t. You’re his
            house slave or field slave whatever and are trying to impress by pushing dirt to my face. Let me call you out for the shallow and empty arguments you make. Don’t try to be the great defender of Eritrea, you had the opportunity when you did the tail between your behind samour saults and run the heck out back there.
            And you still think the independence war is waiting for you to finalize it!! Move on baby, it ain’t about Ethiopia at all for us, you can sell out as to your heart’s delight, but don’t you ever provoke me by questioning my identity,
            as it often gets ugly. This is about your sisters that are being raped in deserts, dying in seas, brutalized by human traffickers. Get off your mama Ethiopia numbed hyperbole. This is about children, just like yours are being eaten by wild animals, this is about fathers shamed and raped by captors. What sort of head you have there old boy. You think Ethiopia re-unification issue is what is causing Eritreans to confront each other, your slave master hgdef to lynch those who finished off the Ethiopia chapter for you. Semere, the runner
            boy! always the runner boy. Look into the mirror it is you who left the nation to Ethiopias rulers of the day and my brothers have been to hell and back to finish it off. And you want to desecrate their grave for your cheap sarcasm. Shame all round, shameful past, shameful present…so shall it end for you. I hope you know better not to go as far as making such whorish accusation towards me again.

          • Bel

            Some one is missing in the above halewlow. Let us see:

            – Semere Tesfai is labeled as a runner who left Eritrea to the Ethiopians.
            – Haile’s The G, took the ownership of those who he called brothers, to “have been to hell and back to finish it[independence] off.
            -Semere T is also accused by haile ” And you want to desecrate their[Brothers of Haile’s] grave for your cheap sarcasm”

            Now one person is missing from the equation. You guessed right, Haile himself.. I know you would ask: is Haile also the runner, who is also a cheat who wants to take credit for the things his brothers did? or is Haile actually in Eritrea defending the Eritrean independence, just like his brothers?

            – But, if Semere Tesfai called out any body, it was Haile,and not the heros back home,

            So why the hell is Haile shekorteting as if he is part of those physically defending Eritrea’s independence?

            Of course those haile is calling as his brothers are of course the brothers of Semere tesfai, but hey

            See, Haile Knows how to do things, Woyanie style

          • Bel

            “…I hope you know better not to go as far as making such whorish accusation towards me again….”

            Abiet Fekera, abiet Hida!…..Wodaje Fekera, ab gubtish Moderator Quenkas, kindizi ajewjow”…

          • Yodita

            Dear Semere Tesfai,

            If you are sending the above post from inside Eritrea then chapeu because you are a heck of a coherent guy. If you are writing this from aborad, I have more questions to ask. Why and for how long are you living aborad? If you believe our country is galopping at the pace you declare why would you want to live aborad and raise your children outside Eritrea? If I believed our homeland was marching the way you make it sound, I would rush home because there is no fun in being away! Only you, IA and pfdj can believe that our country is in the following mode: ኤርትራ ንናይ Millennium Goal ሓሊፋቶ ከደት፡ ተሓምበበት፡ ተወንጨፈት፡ ራህያታትናን ባሕርናን
            በለቕ-በለቕ በለ፡ ቆፎና መለአ፡ ጸሓይና በረቐት፡ ሃገር ተሃንጸት፡ ህዝብና ብሓንቲ ልቢ ብሓንቲ ህርመት ብሓደ
            ሓሳብ ንቕድሚት ሰጎመ፡ መን ከማና፡ ንሕና ብጽፍርና፡ ኣይንልምን ኣይንቖራባዕ…..”

            I dare say you live in fantasy land, Ato Semere Tesfai! Woe to you!

            God save us from those who do not flinch to openly declare the following: “እንተ – ምፍልላይ፡ ልማኖ፡ ጥሜት፡ ዓጸባ፡ ሕማም፡ ዕርቃን፡ ማይ ጽምኢ፡ ድንቁርና፡ ቱዃን፡ ቁንጪ፡ ቁማል፡
            ቦጀለ፡ ቢልሃርዚያ፡ ዓሶ፡ ኤይድስ……ኩሎም – ሩዖም ጠቕሊሎም ናብ ኢትዮጵያኦም እዮም
            ተዓዚሮም………ዓይነት ጨና ‘ተኾንካ ትፈቱ ካኣ – ዋእ፡ ኣለናልኪ፡ ደሃይ፡ ተስፋ News፡ ሞዳት፡
            ሓደ-ሓደ ጊዜውን መስከረም ምምልላስ ከድልየካ እዩ።”

            What a tormented soul you must be to state the above. I hope you will find PEACE and COMPASSION soonest.

          • Bel

            Let me guess, the only thing that is bothering you here is the mention of Ethiopia, right?

          • Jo

            Selamat Yodita,

            I think you missed the gist of what Semere was saying above. Whatever you said of Semere is uncalled for, based on his post above; unless, of coarse, you had a preconceived idea about him. You need to chill, sit back, read and understand his message before lashing out at him.

            Ciao!!

          • Yodita

            Hi Jo,

            I read and re-read Semere’s post and replied thereof. You claim that I missed the gist. Kindly enlighten me and I would be glad to learn. Two things he points out do not find me in agreement: (1) that Eritrea is achieving with flying colours and (2) the horror things he lists as having been pushed to Ethiopia – I think only a sick mind can conceive this. I dream a developed and realized Eritrea, but I equally dream the same for Ethiopia, the two Sudans, Somalia, Djibouti, the whole of Africa, the whole developing world. There is no country (as a people) on whom I wish so much ill as Semere T. was wishing on Ethiopia. It is tantamount to a hatred of humanity. I will take this occasion to say it: I am a citizen of a country and hold the passport but for which I have scant feeling of identity. I feel an Eritrean through and through simply because I was born and brought up there and my whole make up derives from there. I could have been any other nationality and I would be emtiontionally and psychologically attached in a similar manner. I could have been born and brought up in Ethiopia or the Sudan and I would be symbiotic to those countries as I am to Eritrea now. It is hollow to boast you are this or that nationality because at the end of the day what matters is whether as an individual human being you are honest, decent and humble and possibly compassionate.

            In your view, is Semere T. honest, decent, humble and compassionate when he wishes all the ills to the Ethiopian people without blinking his eye? You seem to know, so please explain the gist and enlighten me. Thank you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Jo<

            I am back home, I read Semere's comment. You see how dismissive he is. It is all talk of skunis to borrow SGJ's way of Calling to EPFDites. People are talking about solutions to our political crises and he is talking "'ታይ 'ዩ ጨናኻ? 'ታይ ዩ ቖለኻ ማለተይ 'የ? ማለተይሲ ወግሐ-ጸብሐ 'ታይ ዓይነት ዕጣን ኢኻ ክትዕጠን ትደሊ?" Is this really politics? That is why where we are anyway. The sad part of Semere is how fast he learned their languages.

            Jo, did you find the following quotation "ኤርትራ ንናይ Millennium Goal ሓሊፋቶ ከደት፡ ተሓምበበት፡ ተወንጨፈት፡ ራህያታትናን ባሕርናን በለቕ-በለቕ በለ፡ ቆፎና መለአ፡ ጸሓይና በረቐት፡ ሃገር ተሃንጸት፡ ህዝብና ብሓንቲ ልቢ ብሓንቲ ህርመት ብሓደ ሓሳብ ንቕድሚት ሰጎመ፡ መን ከማና፡ ንሕና ብጽፍርና፡ ኣይንልምን ኣይንቖራባዕ" realistic on the ground as you observe yourself? Our brother Semere is completely contaminated with hate. A hate to the extreme. You can not make him to be sensible, rational, and above all to have compassion to humanity. I might consider to fly to St Louis to chat with him to see if he is different than what he talking here ( I know him by the way, he is real person (not pen-name). I had a short talk with him few years ago. Semere Tezelilu seb Ye'selil alo.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Yodita,

            Semere will not change his view until change rolls on the ground. He has no compassion at all for the Eritrean people on the ordeal they are facing. For him it is their from their fault (the Eritrean people) all the deaths and death threats that encounter them.

          • Jo

            Selamat Amanuel,

            Help me please!!! you are a reasonable person, what is it, in the above post, that Semere said that deems him: “…tormented soul..” Yodita, “…no compassion…” you? I must be reading something different than you guys or the “geez” fonts are playing tricks on me. Either way, can we be fair to each other?

            Ciao!!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Jo,

            I can’t read the Geeze font from my work. I will do so when I go home. My answer is solely depend on what so far I know semere’s stand and positioning. I found him sarcastic, even if we are (in the opposition) sympathetic to the death of Citizens (like Omer Tewil who died in his prison cell) without due process in the court of law, even if we assume they are guilty. I have never seen irrational (open in the day light arrogant) like Semere from my country men. I saw many but not like him. It is mind boggling to say the least.

          • Yodita

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            I have been wanting to bring this to your
            attention and your peers: You believe change should come from inside
            Eritrea and there should be no violence (in fact your democratic range
            that would even allow for PFDJ to sit at the table has been a source of
            learning for me because my ‘feeling’ that they should melt into nothing
            (no violence) overwhelms me). SAAY believes the same, i.e. change from
            inside and no violence; Mahmud Saleh believes the same, but so does
            Medrech (please refer to their second radio release); and so do a host
            of Eritreans, including myself.

            You are always pointing out
            that we are where we are now and we should concentrate on NOW and use
            all our energies towards what can make a difference to our myraid
            problems; the past is there and cannot be modified and historians will
            trash it out. It is most sensible what you say and it is on that note
            that I ask: Can you and your peers (if I put down names, I am afraid I
            may leave someone out) take it upon yourselves to coordinate a platform
            on these two premises (change from inside and no violence) and invite
            all opposition persons and groups to be harnessed under one umbrella so
            that we can embark on concrete premises instead of talk and talk?

            If my query above is unrealistic, I will understand your option to not respond.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Yodita,

            I really appreciate you of understanding my position as it is (with no omission by the way). You put it in a concise way. However, I don’t understand when you say “your peers”. Do you mean “EGS” the civic organization or the “EFND” the Ad Hoc group for facilitating a National Dialogue, which I am a member in both? In any case which ever it is, it is very hard to pull the Eritrean people to bring them into one umbrella. The mistrust is deep, but the attempt to bring them into one tent will continue. The good news is, there is no enmity. The bad news is, we still fail to recognize the grievances of our social groups. Until then there are to many hurdles along the way.

            Hawki,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Yodita

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            By your peers, I mean not only the organizations you are part of but, to mention but some (Awatistas), SAAY, Mahmud Saleh, Hayat Adem, Saleh Johar Gadi, Horizon, Pappillon, Smere Andom, Haile TG, Ermias, Rodab, Tes, (I know I am leaving out some and I beg their pardon) and Assenna, Medrech, Asmarino, and YG* and all opposition groups and individuals who feel we should all unite under one TENT because we believe that change is (1) overdue (2) should come from inside and (3) should be non-violent.

            It is a staggering and Herculean (albeit a cyber) undertaking but it would be an attempt at a unity of not undertaken before! It would give meaning to our collective effort to oppose an unacceptable system that had reached a point of collapse.

            * I have been re-listening to YG’s pal-talk presentations of ONLY a year ago (May 1913!) and believe that there has been divergence that had led to an escalation of reactive positions (among some intellectuals) strangulating tolerance and creativity.

            Dear Amanuel, If I am treading in a fantasyland, please disregard.

          • tafla

            Amanuel,

            Who are these “social groups” and what are their grievances and who are the “we” that need to recognize it?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tafla,

            If you don’t know our “social groups”- the Eritrean social groups, you are not here to solve the Eritrean political crises. You have a long way to understand the atomic structure of Eritrean society. Here is my advice: go and read “diversity politics” and you will relate it how it will be practical to our reality. Off course then you will enjoy the debate that is going in this website. Also to your help go back and read my postings, it will give you some hints if not a big picture.

          • tafla

            Amanuel,

            Why do you assume ignorance or insensitivity to diversity on my part? I have my defintion of social groups and you have yours,since social groups is your “pet-term” I wanted to know what exactly you are referring to. My question is serious, but If you don’t want to answer, it’s fine.

            Who are these “social groups” and what are their grievances and who are the “we” that need to recognize their grievances?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Oh! Haw Tafla,

            If you have your own definition of social group, can you tell us your definition. Myself, I go by the definition given by “social scientists or sociologists” which is my standard of references. That is why I told you to read “diversity politics”. I am not aware that you are from the pool of “social scholars” who might argue against the norm set by social scientists. Oh brother, you call “diversity politics” a ” pet-term”! You can’t defy that branch of sociopolitical study by declaring it as “pet-term”. Whether you like it or not, it is the defining feature of modern diversity politics of social groups. But if you have your own definition of social group, I want to hear also your credential which allows you to defy the standard and challenge it. If you are not sociologist, but you want to come with your own definition, you will make it my day for I will take you into task.

            Hawka,

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tafla

            ኣማንኤል ድሓንዶ ዓዲ ፧ ደኺምካ ኣለኻ መስለኒ ሎሚ። ዘተና ነቋርጾ ግን…

            “Social Groups

            A social group consists of two or more people who interact with one another and who recognize themselves as a distinct social unit. The definition is simple enough, but it has significant implications. Frequent interaction leads people to share values and beliefs. This similarity and the interaction cause them to identify with one another. Identification and attachment, in turn, stimulate more frequent and intense interaction. Each group maintains solidarity with all to other groups and other types of social systems.

            Groups are among the most stable and enduring of social units. They are important both to their members and to the society at large. Through encouraging regular and predictable behavior, groups form the foundation upon which society rests. Thus, a family, a village, a political party a trade union is all social groups. These, it should be noted are different from social classes, status groups or crowds, which not only lack structure but whose members are less aware or even unaware of the existence of the group. These have been called quasi-groups or groupings. Nevertheless, the distinction between social groups and quasi-groups is fluid and variable since quasi-groups very often give rise to social groups, as for example, social classes give rise to political parties.”

            http://www.sociologyguide.com/basic-concepts/Social-Groups.php

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Tafla,

            Aha! Why do you omit the “socio-cultural groups”? By the way I consider the socio-cultural groups as the the building blocks of Eritrean Identity. If you have different building blocks of Eritrean identity, let me hear it. Besides You still have to dig into “diversity politics” as the kinds of social groups you copied from the link, has nothing to do with diversity politics. When you do your home work, come back to shape our debate and the nature of Eritrean politics. Otherwise we are at different end of the of our poliitcal spectrum. Politics doesn’t go by wishes and desires. Good politics goes by how you govern the differences of your socio-cultural groups. Hence my effort and your effort should focus on those basic political foundation of Eritrean society. If you agree we will continue, if you don’t, I am not talking the kind “equeb ” social group for purposes of socialization or interaction. And also I am talking about social classes that is solely based on incomes. You have the idea now if you want to engage. Now I knew you don’t have your own definition from your answer.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tafla

            Amanuel,

            I didn’t approach you as an all-knowing breature, that’s why I engaged you in the form of questions. But you don’t strike me as particularily engaging…you are a bit elitist. So go back to whatever kind of struggle you think you are conducting here apart from worshipping Meles Zenawi at every turn. It sure is not to the benefit of Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ayaya! Haw Tafla,

            When you don’t have something to say about “socio-cultural groups”, you just escape by throwing a diversionary attack against me as “elitist” and worshiper of Meles Zenawi. That’s all how you concluded our interaction? Just a reminder: what we are doing is debating based on literature books and relating to our politcal reality. Even if we are products of different discipline of studies we can make cross references to enrich our debates. That is all. There is no such all knowing creatures. From whatever educational background you are, you have the potential to contribute in to the discussion. You only need reading and patience. That is all. My door is still open to continue on the topic you raised yourself which are by far the crucial subject to tackle our politics. I don’t hold on your insult by the way. So have a good one till then.

            Hawka,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ermias

            Dear Yodita,

            I was curious to see what the interaction between you and A. Hidrat was about. When I read your first post, which is a plea for all of us to do something, I got teary eyed quite frankly because your heart-felt genuine desperation is exactly how I feel as well. On you reply to A.H., you put my name with the people capable of leading a change in Eritrea. I am not of the caliber of the people you listed but I am extremely humbled specially coming from someone like, who I deeply respect. But this is not about me and so let me simply add a couple things.

            I agree with you that we do dwell too much on punditry, revisiting history, whether ghedli was good or bad, who is to blame for all our miseries and the list doesn’t end. I do, however, agree (with Serray and YG) that ghedli has been replicated post independence and we live ብምስሊ ገድሊ and that is one of the major components that should be targeted.

            1. Ultimately, what is the root cause of the problems in Eritrea – the youth flea and the extremely harsh living conditions, economically, politically, and socially? We MUST all agree that it is the wrong policies of the IA regime.

            2. And so (we MUST all agree that) the IA regime MUST be eliminated because it is NOT reformable and it will never reform itself willingly. By what means should the regime then be eliminated? That is the choking point right there because Ethiopia comes glaringly at the picture and there is no issue that divides the opposition more than how much interdependence we should entertain with Ethiopia. Everything else is cosmetic, to some degree.

            While, we work hard to come on a consensus with number 2 above, we can do something.

            One thing we have control on is access to the diaspora Eritreans who are a major support group for the regime. I think winning a big portion of them could go a long way in weakening PFDJ because they get a lot of support from diaspora, as I am sure you know. We could have Haile write a pamphlet in Tigrinya and I promise to take 100 of them and distribute to people who still support the regime, not to the ones on our side already.

            Thomas is a prime example of a grassroots movement. Welcome back Tommy!

            Yodita haftey, another is that we can all give some kind of vows to put all our differences behind and work for one goal. Nearly all opposition individuals and groups agree that the regime of IA needs to be eliminated urgently. We can agree to disagree on everything else and work to that goal of toppling this regime and people can then align with whichever political ideology they like across the spectrum and I would like to believe that the one with the most appealing platform will win the Eritrean majority. I know this is super simplistic but if we all understand that there is no such a thing as hade hizbi hade libi in the sense that we will not have a perfectly tuned vision of future Eritrea, then we will start respecting each other and using our specific strengths.

          • Yodita

            Dear Ermias,

            Thank you for sharing your very sensible post. It is difficult to understand why the Diaspora opposition does not spontaneously rally around the following crucial reality: “… (we MUST all agree that) the IA regime MUST be eliminated because it is NOT reformable and it will never reform itself willingly.”
            Good to see you back!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Yodita: I think you missed the last sentence ” of Semere Tesfai “እንተዳኣ ለባም ኮንካ ግን፡ ንእምላኽ ከይተጸበኻ፡ ንኹሉ ርኢኻ፡ ባዕልካ ምዘን።” and that’s his core message out of the comment, I believe; be independent minded and take initiative.

          • Yodita

            Dear Mahmud,

            Thank you for the above. As Jo pointed out I missed the gist (and even insisted!). Only now I note and am so to speak ‘mortified’! Apologies to Semere T. for insiniuating ‘a tormented soul’.

            Nitricc: I guess what you said about temper and wrong accusation ain’t all that wrong! Will learn.

          • Jo

            Selam Yodita,

            Kudos! to you. Recognizing your mistake and learning from it builds a pleasant character.

            “To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish.”

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmud Saleh

            So the assignment of “roles” in his statement can be over looked? Is that the implication here? The justice seeking side with the extreme “nastiness” about Eritrea and the oppression side side with exaggerated “niceness” about Eritrea. And the self aggrandizing unsolicited advice would make it OK then? You see, dear Mahmud, our people are where they are now because we were “betrayed”. Those we thought were on our side were working against our fundamental interests. Thanks to the ordeals we are going through, even angelic wings are not going to fool us again. How about if he was to say “if you like the sound of call for justice, rule of law, democratic change, economic freedom, freedom of expression…then go to assenna, asmarino, awate…and if you like the sound of one size fits all, the world is our enemy, war is the only way…go to dehai, alenalki….and if you are balanced think and judge for yourself.” This was and is part of the baits being spewed by false prophets of peace and their cheerleaders to subdue the resistance of Eritreans against the mass killings that they are going through. They come in all forms and colors: some are so “self claimed balanced” that they demand total obedience to the regime, others forget that even when the US went to hell of a war and paid 450000 souls in WWII, it doesn’t say “oh well we had enough of wars just stamp all over us and our next generation we’re just your doormat now”, they are still ready to defend and die for what is right. Our self styled pacifists propose saving hgdef to finish off the rest of our people because they fought all the wars there are to be fought and got so wise out of it, wise enough to be wiped out of the face of the earth. Yet, others come honorably and state what they support and what they don’t (I can give you dawit as an example who speaks directly how and what he feels about things, which is good enough for me to respect). So, Mahmud, there won’t be a foolish Eritrean after we’ve seen all that we have. ኣናፍራ ቆቛሕ ዘይፈልጥ’ሲ ኣይሃዳናይን! Regards

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmud: an extended reply is held up in disqus and would appear later. A short question however, what “core” message do you think was sent by his assignment of roles there? Was it fair what the justice seekers were assigned to be and the pro regime were assigned to be in your opinion? I for one was assigned in a group that his genocidal “brothership” wish me to be and have taken saays advice to roll off what more I had planned for his folly.

          • tafla

            Semere,

            That’s very funny and a good take home message
            “- እንተዳኣ ለባም ኮንካ ግን፡ ንእምላኽ ከይተጸበኻ፡ ንኹሉ ርኢኻ፡ ባዕልካ ምዘን።”

          • Hope

            Semere Tesfay,
            May God bless you.Yes, I will mention and declare openly the name of GOD–
            Here are the FACTS:
            Your Stand:
            -I now confirmed who you are and what you stand for.I should have listened to Emma.
            I respect your opinion and position/stand BUT I do NOT buy your deliberate “deafness and blindness” about the PFDJ-Leadership(NOT all PFDJ are criminals–I agree with you on that–even SAAY is ok with that ).
            -You advised me to check on Madote and Tesfanews–Yes, indeed, I check on them daily including Meskerem.Net–I challenge both specially the “blind an deaf “Madote and Tesfanews l never check asmarino.com (should have been nicknamed as mekelino.com)–I check assenna.com when I look for tabloid news.
            I agree to some extent, with you about your attempt of a “balanced approach”(in principle and your stand on reconciliation).but like any one here,i cannot with stand your silence/indifference about the PFDJ crimes,understandbly, as you want to visit home and build a villa or so,and also so that you will not be kidnapped if you challenge the regime).
            Home Situation:
            -I agree with you about some positive developments at home but you are missing a big point that things could have been better if Constitutional Governance is in place—or even if some basic freedom of the private sector is allowed but none exists–
            -People are being kidnapped and killled like rats specially the senior vets–but you seem to care less and you chose to accept it only as Power struggle among PFDJ members.–while knowing that the main leaders are being decimated over night–not to mention the 300,000 plus escapees for the last 7 yrs or so—with out going into the details as Hailat is the expert is on it.
            -The achievement of MDGs ,ect–is NOT a big deal if there is NO freedom of conscience and basic rights to work and to learn and to live–and if there was a basic human right and basic freedom to work and to learn,the MDGs could have been achieved yrs ago…
            My Stand:
            I belong to SAAY,my mentor—-and Medrekh as well without external interference-where Eritrean Solutions for Eritrean Problems by Eritreans is the GO!.
            I support the EPPD Program,but NOT yet a member.
            I do NOT believe in Cultism /Cultist Culture like your favorite DIA,who is devil by any standard and the reason you see and hear those deaths and slaughtering of original and top Eritreans is because the Devil asks him to do so(Mitsiwat).
            -The Major Spirituall Leaders,specially the Evangelical Eritreans told your cultist DIA to his face that he has to stop the devilish activity he is pursuing in Eritrea and aginst innocent Eritreans; and in return,you know what he did last Month?
            He kidnapped 6 newly annointed Lutheran Ministers in the name of not doing National Service–This is besides torturing and killing Innocent Christians and their leaders—who does that, other than the Devil and his deciples?
            This leads me to your irresponsible way of .calling God’s name..
            Eritrean culture has turned into the worst Communist era type of culture where alcholism,prostitution,”free sex”..etc–.are the norms today.I am an eye witness–you cannot challeneg me like you try to do the forum here.There is No family value in Eritrea now—
            Based on these few facts,the only solution is that Eritrea and Eritreans have to turn their faces to God and ask for forgiveness.
            Asking for God’s help and forgiveness is NOT a sign of weakness or defeatism—Swallow your pride–
            The only solution for Eritrea and Eritreans is :to ask GOD for help—-DIA is Devil and will do what the Devil does…and killing people is the Devil’s business—and the ONLY power that can deal with the Devil is GOD…
            Niseha ni’eto—let us forgive each other–
            Try to live in the world of Faith,Love and HOPE–
            May the Lord of the lords enlighten us and forgive us/bless us all.

          • Hope

            My response seems to have been deleted eventhough it is not my culture to use a vulgar language or related comments.
            If the AT thought that I was “preaching Gospel”,please be reminded that I am not a preacher but i do have a right to respond to any one who attacks me and my personality.
            Semere Andom responded to you partly to my concerns.
            Semere T.please clarify again your stand on the daily kidnapping and slaughtering of the high profile vets,who bled like you for eritrea.
            Tell me, how would you feel if you or your brother/dad,sis,mom,son…were kidnapped and thrown some where in the middle of NO where–and get tortured and done for nothing–simply you were suspected as a Reformer.
            What is being done is a classic job of a devil and the only power that can resolve devil’s curse and acts is a Supernatural Power,who is GOD..
            Go home and see it by yourself and judge…
            eritrean culture became teh worst Communist era type culture where there is no family value,alcholism, prostitution,corruption,adultery,under-age drinking and pregnancy have become a norm,among other nasty things.people have become hopeless of this new culture and decided to take the risk of dying —–The Youth gave up as it has no chance to go to school a and to work—I will further issues to Hailat.
            FYI,the Devil kidnapped last month 6 newly annointed Luthera Minsiters/Pastors —-for unclear reasonsThis is a classic business of the Devil–acting agaisnt God and His people.
            That is why I am saying–“Let us turn our face to God and ask for forgiveness and His Mercy…
            Asking God for help is NOT a sign of weakness or defeatism—.
            Praise the Lord of the lords.
            Try to live in ” Faith,Love and Hope”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hope,

            You gave him heap of questions on the act of the devil. Semere will not show up to answer your questions. if in case has shown up, he will come with sarcastic skunistic answers. He knows very well what you are talking about, but like what you have said, he has to go to the house of God to change his heart and have some compassion towards our citizen dying and disappearing from the face of the earth.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Hope

            You asked: “Semere T. please clarify again your stand on the daily kidnapping and slaughtering of the high profile vets, who bled like you for eritrea.”

            How do I feel about the whole thing?

            It infuriates me; I feel sick to my stomach; it makes me mad as the devil himself. And this is what enrages me the most. Eritrea and Eritreans are suffering and they are waiting for a glimpse of hope – some good news, from somebody from somewhere. And all they can see/hear is a government (PFDJ) and an opposition that are at loggerheads in their internal power struggle, with no concern to the misery of their people.

            The only difference: the PFDJ side are armed and they are killing each other; and the opposition side are unarmed at foreign lands, and they are not killing each other – I don’t know if that would give any comfort to anyone. And that is sad.

            Hope: I’m not against praying; praying doesn’t hurt anybody; but we need more than praying. Because, not only we are people who can distinguish good from bad, right from wrong, evil/wicked from morally reprehensible but also – we are people of freewill who are very capable of changing the course of our destiny for the better.

            We are people with ‘We Can Do It’ attitude. Let’s prove to the world and to ourselves that, we are exactly what we believe we are: WE CAN DO PEOPLE.

            All we need to argue about (constructive discussion) is how to move forward.

            HawKa

            Semere Tesfai

  • Pappillon

    የሕዋተይ እዚ ናይ መከራ ዘመን እዩ ጸሎት ንግበር ኩሉ ንኣምላኽ ንሃቦ ምኽንያቱ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ይጸንት ኣሎ። Please check the link below and you will see young Eritreans with a resigned look where their presence is limited to the screen in front of us. But in reality, they are leaving a land behind them as they see eye to eye with the dread of death when life seems to be giving its back on them.

    http://www.almowaten.net/?p=171767

    • haile

      Dear Papillon,

      Here is a minute video of those people. With better weather conditions and more people taking such risks, it is likely that the situation would continue unabated. The bad news coming out of Eritrea now is that people are now paying $3000 – $5000 (USD) to get their kids out of the country (this is supposed to be safer route yet, effectively, the first leg of the human trafficking
      ordeal).

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TihFynHipZY&safe=active

      The sad reality is that the existence of the regime is the only source of all this. Because Eritrea is not experiencing civil war, it is
      not under direct external threat, despite its false accounts the regime is not hampered by any sanction that target the economy, it is willingly and criminally imposing this tragic situation on the people. Why?

      Regards

      • Pappillon

        Dear Haile TG,

        That was precisely crossing my mind as I watched the otherwise grim and horrifying situation of these young Eritreans. Instead of addressing the root cause of the massive influx, either the Interior Minister or the EU authorities are trying a sort of cosmetic easy fix to the dire situation. But of course, it is not only as you have aptly put it the situation in Eritrea is being eclipsed by what is happening in Syria but the blame squarely rests on our chronic inability where our activism is paralyzed by bickering and focusing on trivial matters. Again many thanks for the clip. Moreover, just imagine, Gidewon the man who sold his soul to Isaias is in Bologna selling rotten tomatoes to the Eritrean residents and as it happened, the tragedy is happening on the shores of Italy. A man who claims to have read the Bible back to back; a man who grew up in an Adventist household is warping his entire self with lies and deceit where the toddlers who are being carried in body bags to the shores as they are depicted on house-hold T.Vs are nothing but traitors as the latter is his selling point.

        Haft’kha.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hailat,

        Yes indeed, the situation will continue unabated as long as the regime and its institution has continued. They will have the land without its people if the trajectory of the situation has to give us a clue of the grim reality. Thank for the feed back you shared with us.

    • Ermias

      Haderkum Papi and hailuwa,

      I read no Arabic but a picture speaks a thousand words.

      This breaks my heart.

      I have one question for you two though:

      Why can’t this generation take ownership of this country and turn against the regime of IA? The way they pierce this treacherous route to Europe is incredible with lending hands to each other so that makes me believe that they have a good organizational skills and a good sense of relation and identification with each other. I have an immense amount of compassion and sympathy for them at the same time I just get tempted to call them rather selfish for not putting in a little fight against the PFDJ goons.

      • Pappillon

        Dear Ermias,

        I remember reading a couple of years ago an article penned by the otherwise prolific writer Seyoum Tesfaye where he erroneously took the influx of the youth as a sign of rebellion against the tyrant. If anything however, it is a sign of hopelessness with a disturbing suicidal ideation. As I see it, they have lost their sense of belonging to Eritrea where their motto is die trying anywhere but in Eritrea. And as you can imagine, you wouldn’t fight for something that you have already don’t have any feeling of attachment. Their knack for planning out and interconnection with each other on how to make it to the better world is borne out of sheer survival instinct for everything is at stake including ዕሸል ሂወቶም.

        Haft’kha.

      • Dear Ermias,

        Taking ownership of one’s country is not an easy matter, when one in two of the population is a spy, when even members of a family cannot be trusted let alone a friend, and when this ownership is an inheritance of debt to be paid dearly with more blood and death, an inheritance devoid of peace, happiness and prosperity. What they inherited is a land full of problems, loaded with all the
        evils the Gedli fathers can think of.

        These young people know nothing else about Eritrea, but war, misery, slavery and destitution. Eritrea has a different symbol for them, contrary to what it has for you and other Eritreans in the West. To them it is a land of a never-ending misery, right from the day they were born. The regime may say that they are the inheritors of the Eritrean dream; and what they see is that they have inherited a nightmare.

        At the time when they should be educated, they are wasting the best part of their life in a military service with no end to it, providing unpaid slave-labor, when they should have been in love, their girlfriends have become concubines for Eritrean officials, and when they should be sitting in their homes with their wives, talking and planning for the future, while their children are running around in the house, they are lying in trenches with rocks around them. This is the Eritrea they have inherited and are asked to die for. For whose sake? For the sake of their children they will never have in today’s Eritrea, or for the sake of their grandchildren, which is unthinkable. The only sacrifice in Eritrea today is to sacrifice oneself to keep the regime in power, and it will not be for an idea or a dream.

        The PFDJ has created an organized military state, where those who hold power are part of the problem rather than part of the solution. How many of those who run away
        are military officers, who could have changed the situation by carrying out a coup against the dictator? Except some pilots who found it easier to fly away, and
        some high level civilian officials who found it easier to abscond when they were outside their country, the majority of those who run away are young people,
        as young as twelve years old, who cannot change the situation whatsoever. Therefore, the easiest solution they have found is to run away, and run as far away as
        possible.

        On top of this, we have the opposition that is incompetent, scattered, half-hearted to fight the regime, and unable to give even a moral support, let alone political and military solutions. It takes the whole nation, and a universal revolt against the regime to bring about its demise. Unfortunately, this is not imaginable in this age of salvaging the PFDJ by sacrificing DIA and
        U-turns.

        Ermias, this is not personal, and it is not about you and me; rather it is about every one of us in the horn. We live in the West and we seem detached from the reality back home. We are asking these unfortunate young people to go to a slaughterhouse, where they have a zero chance of survival, while we are doing nothing ourselves.
        Therefore, we cannot speak of what they have not done, especially under this most difficult circumstance, but what we have not done ourselves, when we live in the West in freedom and security.

        Regards.

      • haile

        I am one of those people who try (to the best of one’s
        ability) to get a sense of things in practical terms than in generalized
        description before the get go. What does fight back look like? feel like? sound
        like? What are the logistics for it? the venues? strongholds? communication
        means? objective? where to advance to? what are the demands? who is it to be
        demanded from?…a tall order for the 14 and 15 year olds that are fleeing now.
        The older and stronger youth have already left and it is little kids that are
        left now. Think of each person (Eritrean) in here, I can confidently state that
        for most the majority of their immediate family members are either out of
        Eritrea or in the process to do so. Truth be told the job of people in their prime
        who can wrestle the regime to the ground. I don’t know of your age, but I am in
        the right age and fitness to shower Molotov bottles into the President’s office.
        But how far am I? how far are you? I feel eerily to ask such thing from the
        young boys and girls. The other option is to enter the country from the
        Ethio-Eritrea border and set off to confrontation from there and progressively
        move to the capital. We can’t expect little children to do such an intense
        confrontational showdown. So the question should be, why aren’t we saving our
        women and little brothers and sisters than wonder why aren’t looking after
        themselves and liberate us too.

        Regards

      • SA

        Ermi,
        Where have you been? You asked me a question and disappeared in one of the threads in another post and you disappeared….Anyways, good to see you back, and you can read some of my answers there and let me know what you think.

        Ermi, I think you know the answer to your questions more than most people. I remember some months ago, you penned one of the most striking statements on this forum. I am paraphrasing here, but you said something like, “Eritrea has become a nation that is not worth dying for.” The youth have simply given up on Eritrea, and are trying to build a life outside of Eritrea at a staggering personal cost.

        SA

        • Ermias

          Selamat SA, sorry brother, I over committed personally and professionally over the past week and so I have been mostly away.

          It is not fun to blame the victims of this regime and that is not my intention specially the really young ones (Haile TG, please don’t get me wrong on this one).

          To put it very simply: Eritrea is not the promised land (for economic, political, and social freedom) for the people who reside there at the present. The promised land is Europe and USA to a great extend and anywhere else to a lesser extent and that is why I believe no one is willing to stand up to the regime (young or old) because the sentiment is (I hate to be too blunt) ክላእ እንታይ እቶም ቅድሚ ሕጂ ዝሞቱ እንታይ ረኺቦም ኣለዉ። . The cause of this has been debated extensively and so anyone interested can research this website alone. But there are two schools of thought (with variations): IA (or IA and PFDJ) and Ghedli. I say a combination of IA, PFDJ, and Ghedli. But I contend that the effects of Ghedli on the psyche of Eritreans are deeper, more universal, and much longer lasting.

          • SA

            Ermi, I am glad you are back. You are one of the writers here whose posts I looking forward to reading. At the simplest level, what you described is the mentality of the youth. The apologists of the regime can produce all kinds of punditry in the world about Eritrea, but the youth do not care much about Eritrea as a nation, and are not going to spill blood and sweat to save it. You normally do not save what you do not value. I will leave you with a quote:

            “I don’t want a future, I want a present. To me this appears of greater value. You have a future only when you have no present, and when you have a present, you forget to even think about the future.” ~ Robert Walser

            Denied of a normal life in Eritrea, the youth are staking their future outside of Eritrea.

            SA

          • Ermias

            SA, thank you. I always do look forward to your posts too. Quite frankly, yourself, Yodita, and Mahmud Saleh are my current favorites in this forum. In any case, I couldn’t agree more with the quote you put above. Like yourself, I have siblings in Asmara and young nephews and nieces. My sister was telling me last week that she has been telling anyone who comes to their house and talks about the current exodus to say “how bad it is, how many kids died, just tell gruesome stories” just so her oldest son (13) would’t go and test the treachreous route to the West. Our parents used to worry about us, so did their parents about them, and our generation is worried about their children. When will this end?

          • SA

            Thank you Ermi. ” When will this end?” That has been my prayer for sometime now.
            SA

  • spotlight

    Next please
    BZW, to how many of here did it occur that shabo is meshrefet com’s wedi Goitom? Wherever he goes I can smell him from a mile.

  • shabo

    …. ዘስደምም ጽልኢ ንብሄር ትግርኛ ካብ ሓንቲ ናይ ተቃውሞ ውድብ ኤርትራ ኣብ 23፡43 ደቂቅ ( From Facebook)
    ኣብቲ ብሚኒስትሪ ጉዳይ ወጻኢ ኢትዮጵያ ተጸዊዑ ዝተገብረ ኣኼባ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ንውድባት ኤርትራ ሓደ ኣባል መርሒነት ናይ ሓንቲ ውድብ ይብል ብሄር ትግርኛ ዝፍራሓሉ ዘመን ኣብቂዑ፡ ብሄረ ትግርኛ ተደፊሩ እንሆ እኳ ከም ጤሌ በጊዕ ኣብ በረኻታት ሲናይ ናውቲ ኣካላቱ ይሽየጥ ኣሎ ዝብል ብድዐ ዝመልኦን ዘረባ ከምዝተዛረበ ሰሚዕኩምዶ? እዚ ንብሄረ ትግርኛ ከም ጨቆኒን ክበርስ ከምዘለዎ ሕብረተሰብ ጌርካ ናይ ምርኣይ ሓደገኛ ዝምባሌ ንኹሉ ኤርትራዊ ዘሻቅል ጉድይ ስለ ዝኾነ። ክሳብ ሕጂ ዘሎ ሓቤሬታ ሰልፊ ዲሞክራሲ ማለት EPDP ጥራይ ኣብሊዕሊ እዚ ኣባል መሪሕነት እዛ ውድብ ተሪር መልሲ ክምዝሃቡ ተፈሊጡ ኣሎ። እዛ ውድብ መን እያ? እቲ ኣባል መሪሕነት እዛ ውድብከ መን እዩ ሽሙ? ኩሉ ኤርትራውን፡ ኩለን ውድባት ኤርትራን፡ ኩለን ሲቪክ ማህበራትን፡ መሰል ደቂ ሰባት ተጣበቅትን፡ ተሪር መግለጺ ኣብ ሊዕሊ እዚ ፋሺሽታዊን ፈላላይን ዘረባ ኣባል እዛ ውድብ መሪሕነት ክዋሃብ ኣለዎ። እዚ ኣባል መሪሕነት እዛ ውድብን ውድቡን ካብ ናይ ኤርትራ ፖሊቲካ ንጥፈታት ክድስክሉ ኣለዎም። ኣብ ኣባልነት ኪዳንን ባይቶን ክስጎጉ ኣለዎም።

    Courtesy of Meskerem.Net
    Check one of the last Artilces of YG—and try to associate it with this incident..

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    God bless and rest in peace, Omer Hassen Tewil. He was many things, but he was also a member of PFDJ’s Central Committee/Council, the “legislative arm” of the party. Here’s the entirety of the Central Committee/Council; I am listing them (alphabetically, by first name) without additional comment:

    Abdella Jaber:

    Abraha Kassa:

    Abrahaley Kifle:

    Adhanom G/mariam:

    Ahmed Hajj Ali:

    Ahmed Omer Kakai:

    Ahmed Tahir Baduri:

    Alamin M. Said:

    Alamin Sheik Saleh:

    Alamin Siraj:

    Ali Said Abdella:

    Almaz Ljam:

    Amna Nur-Hussein:

    Andebrhan W/giorgis:

    Andemikael Kahsai:

    Asemrom Gerezgiher:

    Askalu Menkerios:

    Aster Fessehatzion

    Beraki Gebreslassie:

    Berhane Abreha:

    Berhane Gerezgiher:

    Berhane Zerai:

    Ermias Debessai:

    Fana Tesfamariam:

    Filipos W/yohannes:

    Fozia Hashim:

    Gerezgiher A/mariam:

    Germano Nati:

    Giorgis Teklemikael:

    Hagos Gebrehiwet:

    Haile Mehtsun:

    Haile Menkorious:

    Haile Samuel:

    Haile Woldense:

    Hamed M.Karikare:

    Hamid Himid:

    Hiwet zemikael:

    Isaias Afwerki :

    Issa Ahmed Issa:

    Luel Ghebreab:

    Mahmud Ali Herui:

    Mahmud Sharifo:

    Mesfin Hagos:

    Mohamed Ali Jaber:

    Mohammed A. Omaro:

    Mohammed B. Blata:

    Mohammed O. Redo:

    Muhyadin Shengeb:

    Musa Rabá:

    Mustafa Nur-Hussien:

    Naizgi Kiflu:

    Nati Ibrahim:

    Ogbe Abraha:

    Omer Hassen Tewil:

    Osman M. Omer:

    Osman S Mohammed:

    Petros Solomon:

    Romedan Osman Awliay:

    Saleh Idris Keckya:

    Saleh Meki:

    Salma Hassen:

    Sebhat Ephrem:

    Simon Gebredengel:

    Stefanos Seyoum:

    Teklai Habteselassie:

    Tesfai Gebreselassie:

    Woldemikael G/mariam:

    Woldenkiel Abraha:

    Worku Tesfamikael:

    Yemane Ghebreab:

    Yusuf Sayiqh:

    Zahra Jaber:

    Zemhret Yohannes:

    Zemzem Abdella:

    • Rodab

      Good morning Sal,
      That was easy compared to what’s coming: can you list all 15(14?) CURRENT ministers?
      brukh meAlti.

  • Eritrera is in perpetual mourning phase, it seems to me only the beginning because the veterans are almost all above 65+ years. Unfortunately they all quit one after another in silence without correcting nothing leaving us along the cliff headloging towards the deep vally of no u-turn. All these guys denied their friends, martyrs and their orphans, then what value does it contain when they failed to heed their own aims and purposes?. A general worth nothing if he failed his people. I afraid this is what we see! In Tigrait we say “Huka min lt latse intama ra’aska atlil” roughly translated as if your brother is shaved you too wet your head, meaning you’re nexst. How true, we see things are folding in that order. Finally we are all losers; the oppressor and the oppressed, we and you. God bless Eritrea with removing the culprint /dictator of all debacles eritrea is exposed to.
    Yet, Tewil, may your soul rest in peace and my condolences to your family.

    • shabo

      Did you miss Ali Abdu or omittedit purposely?
      Shabo

  • Semere Andom

    መን እየ አነ አብ ምንታይየይ እዩ ኽ ሓይላይ?

    ሓይለይ አብ ኩሉ እንትናይ ቢለ ተወዲስ
    ይካእሎ ተባሂለ ስም ናይቲ እንኮ
    መዳርግቲ አልቦ ‘ውን ተባሂለ ደስ ምስ በሎ እቲ ዋጣ
    ንሱ ክዋጥየኒ አነ ድማ ክቕጻጸ ተረባሪብና

    ግን አብ መወዳእታ
    እነ እወ አነ እቲ አልፋን ኦመጋን ዝተባህለ
    ተቆጸኹ ብቲ ጎዲም መላጸ
    እቲ ኢደይ ዕርፊ ክይጭብጥ
    ክዕንግል ስድራብት
    እቱ የእሙራይ ቀልም ካይነብዕ
    ነቲ ሓድሽ ወልዶ ፍልጠት ክቕስሞ
    እቲ ልሳነይ ሓቂ ከይነግር
    አብቲ ምጋባአያ ከይምድር
    ድዊየ ተርፍኩ

    ሞት ዳአ ንቡር
    አነ ዳአ ብደወይ ዝሞትኩ
    ስልዚ አብ ምንታዩ እዩ ሓሉ እንተብሉኻ
    ክይትደናገር
    አነ በዓል ልማኖ ሓይሊ
    በዓል ቁንጣሮ ራኢ
    ንፈተውተትይ ዝድፍር
    ንሓራዲ ዘመስግን
    ንገብን ዝርዕም
    ጅግንነት ስሪሐ ጀጋኑ ዝቀትል
    ሓይለይ አብ ልእሙነትይን ስቅታይ
    እታ ሞት ግና ንበዳልን ተብዳልን ትግብር ማዕረ

    ሰመረ ዓንዶም

    • Hope

      Well said—KS.
      This is very scary though if true….What the heck are we going to do then?
      This is serious—-internet politics wil do nothing.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Hope, the above poem is from Semere Andom. but the question you ask is for all of us.

    • Hope

      Great ONE—

  • Tewelde

    Tewil was A CORE Commander after his Division military Commander, and just a couple of years before the Eritrean independence!

  • Bel

    And then, the drama goes on! lead by aba guailas (Read: lost souls, woyanie stooges, born-angry creatures).
    And everebady is a Hero!
    Wodaje!
    What a clueless bunch!

  • Kokhob Selam

    . . . . .እዚ ኢዩ ትርፉ !!!!. . .. .

    ኣይኮነንዶ ኣምላኽ ሩህሩህ ናይ ሩህሩሃት –
    ኣይኮነንዶ ረቢ ረሒም ናይ ለዋሃት –
    ንሕና ‘ ኳ ሓዚና እቶም ደቂ ሰባት –
    ረቢ ይርሓመልካ ተባዕ ናይ ተባዓት ::

    ካብ ሚ እቲ ሓንቲ እያ እታ ዓለም ትውንን –
    ልዋሃት ዘላትና ካብ ኣቦን ካብ ኣደን –
    ካብ ሓው ሓብቲ ኣርኪ ብጻይ ‘ው ን –
    እተን ቴስዓን ት ሻዓተን እዝጊ ወኒንወን ::

    ንሱ ይፈትወና ካባና ንላዕሊ –
    ንሱ የመርሓና ነብስና ክንኣሊ –
    ፍቅሩ ዘይጽንቀቅ ነባሪ ቀጻሊ –
    ምሕረት ክህበካ ኣዕዚዝና ንጽሊ ::

    ንልምን ንራሕመቱ –
    ንልምን ንምሕረቱ –
    ንልምን ንገነቱ –
    ናብ ሰልም ክት ኣቱ ::

    …..ግን ይፍለጥዎ ዝተረፉ :-
    . . . . . . .ብዙሕ ዘህተፍትፉ :-
    . . . . . . . . . .‘ቶም ዝፈላሰፉ :-
    ምስ ዝብኢ ዕርክነት – እዚ ኢዩ ትርፉ!!!!! ::

    ኮኾብ ሰላም
    14/05/2014

    • Pappillon

      Dear KS,

      Very touching and deep to the core of the matter. Please keep on shining.

      Haft’kha.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank you very much, tes, and Pappillon, I put the things that I mean to put and I was feeling it.

    • tes

      Dear KS,

      No words!

      Just thank you for the brilliant and sharp words you have.

      hawka
      tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      thank you all who read it and feel it.

    • Hope

      Thanks KS–you R all the same–as the message is the same—
      This very serious part of your Poem,which we need badly–seriously.
      The only solution for the Devil is Super-natural Power,who is GOD.
      There is NO other way or power to get rid off this devil–at least in the short term,while this devil is alive.
      I am not here to preach my religion –but as a believer, I appeal to all believers inthis forum and beyond–to pray/ask for His Mercy/Forgiveness and to forgive each other…

      ንሱ ይፈትወና ካባና ንላዕሊ –
      ንሱ የመርሓና ነብስና ክንኣሊ –
      ፍቅሩ ዘይጽንቀቅ ነባሪ ቀጻሊ –
      ምሕረት ክህበካ ኣዕዚዝና ንጽሊ ::
      ንልምን ንራሕመቱ –
      ንልምን ንምሕረቱ

      • hope

        Courtesy of Kokhob Selam

    • Gherhi Libu

      ኮኾብ ሰላም፥

      ከመይ ለባም ሰብ ኢኻ፤ ኣቤት እወ፤ ኣኽራሪ ገለ ከይትብሉና እንዳበቐቕናኩም እምበር እወ፤ ሕጂ ዘድልየና ዳኣ ጾምን ጸሎትን እምበር ካልእ መዓስ ኮይኑ።

      I did a little bible research to relate to your poem. God comes in revival power, the Holy Spirit will call millions of God’s people to repent, fast, and pray in the spirit of 2 Chronicles 7:14:

      “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

  • Tewelde

    Tewil was one of my leaders in Ghedli era, I wish him peace and glory to all his beloved and comrades as well. Correction, He was the Merah Brgade of Brgade 77 in Nakfa! He was a leader of Kifle serawit which is a Division 85 formed by three brgades after and until the independence.

  • haileTG

    Eritrea is at cross roads and Eritreans faced with their last chance to stand up or go bust in history. We have looked the other way
    when disabled veterans were brutalized, we have looked the other way when many Eritreans were sent to die in S Sudan, Congo… we have looked the other way when Eritreans were brutalized for their faith, belief or sense of justice, we have looked the other way when those Ghedli leaders called for accountability and rule of law, we have looked the other way when our country was cordoned off
    by the dictator, made terrorists playground, the life of every citizen reduced to that of a worthless slave, we have looked the other way as our young, men, women, children were driven out, sold for ransom by the regime’s lieutenants and were made to witness the most horrifying of ordeals, we have looked the other way as tragedies start to take place involving large numbers and finally
    we are looking the other way as the dictatorial regime members are finishing off each other and taking the country to its final demise. This I think is a final opportunity to salvage any little that is left of the broken nation of ours. It is past time to stop feuding wars and the whole of the Eritrean diaspora rise up as one, the regime would be over in short order following that. History, lest, would be harsh on this lost generation.

    RIP Omer Tewil.

    • Pappillon

      Dear Haile TG,

      Eloquent as usual. Here is the abnormal reality of the whole panorama if you will. Supporters in the Scandinavian, Europe and North America are in a full swing to dance the night away come Independence Day. Mind you, I am not pulling the issue of the much revered Day of Independence but I am trying to highlight the total and abhorrent indifference of the lackeys as if everything is dandy. Martin Niemöller comes to mind.

      Haft’kha.

    • Kokhob Selam

      you touch my heart Haile, please think of those soft heart people like me.
      RIP Omer Tewil.

  • tes

    Selam Awatistas,

    Sad news again. May he R.I.P

    What makes me to feel sad is, the system they built is even not mercy to them. Our heroes should have seen the rule of law while sitting in place of honor, but, they are ending by tragedy of horror in hospitals, car accidents, on their work visit and worse while they are in the self-built brutal prison centers.

    One philosopher used to say, “my message is laughter.” In the contrary, PFDJ’s message is “Death.”

    Alas

    Tes

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Extremely sad, so long wed Talulet.

  • Awet

    Hello Deki Erey:
    How sad that one by one great leaders of their generation are perishing one by one from the face of the earth.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    History is reminding and highlighting in a crystal clear, that the tragic death will continue, the exodus will persist, and the nation will continue going downhill, as far as we are legitimizing the continuity of PFDJ. Again PFDJ added the lose of precious life, the great Omer Tewil one of our patriots in its prison. There is no end to such tragedy as far as we okayed their value system. I have acquainted with him in January 1976 at TIgse in the Naro area of Sahel. RIP – a great patriot Omer Tewil

    • Semere Andom

      “BebHade seb wehade”. All the fighters who had impressive military and leadership roles exhibit helplessness and docility as “impressive” as their roles in the armed struggle. The dictator at a time of choosing strikes vengefully.
      All of them fall prey to the cruelty of the Nazi group in Eritrea (PFDJ) and our history goes on undocumented, overwritten by the lies of Isaias Afewerki and his acquiescente men and women. The longer this picture persists the muddier the history will get and ultimately the smudges will make it hard to tell truth from lies therefore more likely we will descend to the gutter as other societies as smart and as gallant as ours. By then all the things we agonize about, like to implement the 1997 document or not, romantics and de-romantics become meaningless as we tend to the realities that test our survival as a nation and people
      This is another sad day for Eritrea, and the only silver lining is that Mother Nature is an equalizer, reminding us and it should remind the Sophia Tesfamraims and all apostles of shame that IA is also mortal
      Rest in Peace
      Sem

      • Pappillon

        Dear Semere,

        I couldn’t have put it any better. Brilliant!!!

        Haft’kha.

  • Nitricc

    Something is wrong. You fight all your life to free your country and the very country you fought to free will put you in jail and you die in jail?
    Something is very wrong with this picture!
    RIP!

    • Pappillon

      Nitricc,

      “How do you like them apples” goes my fav line in Goodwill Hunting. Of course, I shouldn’t say it for I am a lady but the joke appears to be somewhere else where your uncool disintegration song is completely misplaced. RIP Tegadalay Tewil.

      • Nitricc

        pappi get with it 🙂 I am cooking to respond to your disintegration topic on the other thread. you got so wrong.

        • Pappillon

          Nitricc,

          I ain’t asking you to wave the white flag so to speak for it is your prerogative to air your support to a looney. However, I say I make you a deal: I wouldn’t mind swapping one of our “confused” teqawemti for you– for you seem to have at least clarity on your stand. You come to us for an exchange of one of us. Let me be more specific, you swap with Ali Salim. Deal?

          • Brhan

            All z generals are going as zeoros- without doing any meaningful contribution in easing z suffering of z Eritrean people at z hands of Issays Junta after an independence. Shame!

          • Nitricc

            Pappi, no deal. Hahahahah now that is funny. What I don’t get is this…
            How on earth would believe that there are oppositions. I hate to break it to you there is no opposition for the government of Eritrea. If you going to call the over weight guy ( I bet you he never missed a meal in his life) who is touring the western dishing PIA and PFDJ, then I suggest you wake up. Seriously pappi? All you got is one opportunistic man who seen an opining and jumped on it, are you going to tell me you got an opposition?
            To all of you there is no such thing called Eritrean opposition. The end of discussion.
            If you insist, please tell me who you consider an opposition then I will encounter you with an answer. Who? Come pappi you could do it.
            I challenge any one to point me to any opposition, I do.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Nitricc, sorry for interjecting here, but until Pappillon gets back to you, here is food for thought.

            An opposition does not always start with an organized entity. An opposition usually starts with terrified people shouting “fire!” until enough people wake, communicate, and get some water or sand to put out the fire. What you are witnessing now is the “fire” stage. It is true that it has taken too long to start a clearly defined and representative opposition party, but it is not for lack of trying. Too many obstacles, within and without, were encountered, so It will take time to sort things out. For instance, who is spearheading the organization/s, who is involved in the decision making about its direction, what are the potential costs of doing one thing vis-a-vis another, how do you accomplish it with the least amount of blood shed if any, and, of course, you have to watch for potential kidnappers who may end up substituting a much worst organization for the one leading Eritrea now, and so on. I don’t expect you to jump from one extreme to the other over night, but after carefully navigating through your sometimes “trash talk,” I have concluded that you have a good heart and that you will eventually do the right thing. Remember that the main ingredients that are necessary for victory are already in you, and those are the Eritrean resilience, determination, integrity, and decency. So, start practicing “fire!”
            Besides, isn’t Pappillon’s smile worthy of legal or illegal U-Turn? Think about it.

    • geltam

      Nitric, You still cant figure out what went wrong 😀

      • Nitricc

        hahahhah Geltam lol how are you? where the hack have you been? are you still in UK?
        you know what i can not figure it out maybe i am just like you; Geltam hahahahah.

    • tes

      Selam Nitric,

      Sorry, but as I can see it will be to late for you to be awake even after death. Too late! Everything is as usual, no change. Death is natural, but, to die in prison is NOT. To your call though, Eritreans are victims of the system that you support. Do you want to receive the message of death? Oh no, we need you, STAND for JUSTICE, you and the system that you support are wrong. No one else!

      Hawka
      Tes

      • Nitricc

        Tes,
        What do you mean too late? You sound like I kill the guy. I was expressing at the irony of what is happening that is all. Because I support the government it does mean the government is right at all the times. I call it as i see it.

        • tes

          Haw Nitricc,

          Even now you are too late to understand. {Oh may be my English is poor, but wait, this critic is coming from those who support the dictatorial regime}.

          Too late to understand the reality.

          You said, “You sound like I kill the guy.” Is this how you understand what we [to be safe] I write? I think your mind is somewhere. Could you check please. I am searching the mindset of PFDJ and what you sound to me is exactly what I am looking for; the CORRUPTED MIND, I know how it looks as I am still infected with that kind of corrupted ideology.

          Machelot mis adleye, but no Flight to Asmara, ewae kebiru waga.

          Hawka
          tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc, if intelligent people like youdon’t see the truth today when are they going to see. this is good lesson for those innocent people. and Imagine you were all those yeas with people, what could you given to them, a lot.

    • Gherhi Libu

      ንስኻ አኳ ትሓይሽ። ግን ገበነኛ ብማሕበር (gulit by association )ኣሎ። ጠዊል ን ዓመታት ሱቕ ኢሉ እንዶ ይዕዘብ ኣይነበረን ሰብ ክሳቐ፤ ሕጂ ኣይ ጅግና ኣየ ኣንበሳ ትብልዎ ዘለኹም። ወላውን ዓሚ ምስ ወዲ ዓሊ ተሓብቢሩ እንተነበረ፤ ንምንታይ እቲ ቃልሲ ናይ ለውጢ ዘይቀጸሎ፤ ሰልፊሽ ስለዝነበረ። ከም ዝኾነ ፍጡር፤ ነፍስኽ ይምሓር ይብሎ ካብ ኡ ሓሊፉ ግን እቲ ሐቂ ክቕበር ይብሉን።

      • Pappillon

        ገርሂ ልቡ

        ተጋዳላይ ጠዊል ብምንታይ ከምዝሞተ ክሳብ ህጂ ዝተፈልጠ ነገር የለን ምናልባሽ ብማህረምቲ ምብዛሕ ሞይቱ ክኸውን ይኽእል ማለት እንድሕር ብማህረምቲ ምብዛሕ ሞይቱ ክሳዕ ዕለተ ሞቱ ነቲ ዝኣመነሉ ቓልሲ ተሰዊኡ ማለት እዩ ነቲ ዝኣመነሉ ቓልሲ ክብል ከለኹ ንፍትሕን ንዲሞክራስን እቲ ባዓል ወዲ ዓሊ ዝተሰውእሉ ዕላማ ማለተይ እየ

        • Gherhi Libu

          ዝኸበርኪ ፓፒሊዮን፤ ልክዕ ኣለኺ። ኮይኑ ግን፤ ኩሎም ኣብ ላዕለዋይ ጽፍሒ ዝነበሩን ዘለውን ተጋደልቲ፤ እዚ ወሪድና ዘሎ ደልሃመት፤ ክሳብ ኣብዚ ደረጃ እዚ ዝበጽሕ፤ ወይ ኢዶም ኣጣሚሮም ወይ ውን ተኻፈልቲ ናይቲ ገበናት እዮም ኔሮምን ዘለዉን፤ ንጠዊል ጥራሕ ዘንጢልካ ምኹናን ኣይኮነን እቲ ዕላማይ። እንታይ ደኣስ፤ ከምቲ ሓውና YG ዝብሎ ዘሎ፤ዕሙቕ ብዝብለ መልክዑ እንተርእይናዮ፤ እቶም መራሕቲ ሰውራ፤ ዘይናቶም መንነት ለቢሶም፤ ክሳኽዕ ዘይክእል ዕላማ ብጉልባባ ናጽነትን ሓደ ልቢን ሓደ ሕዝብን ንህዝብና የጽንትዎ ምህላዎም እዩ።

        • Hope

          No matter what,he should NOT have died the way he died–in PRISON???
          The General has done more than enough for Eritrea,at least more than all of us here–only God know.what we did and what not.His mistakes and errors as a human being should NOT,by any means,be counted as– this and that…
          If he did, seriious crimes against his people and comrades,ler God judge him.

    • John

      Something is right, YG’s explanation/analysis. Something is right, ‘yes men’ are reevaluating their stand.