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Leaked List of PFDJ Diaspora Task Force

On May 21, 2018,  Gedab News reported that it received a leaked document with a list of operatives in the Diaspora which the PFDJ created to operate within “a new strategy to combat media that sheds a negative light on Eritrea”. The task force is part of the many affiliate organizations in the Diaspora.

The list shows the first, second, and third tier of the propaganda arm, which was assembled by Yemane Gebreab, the political advisor to the president who also acts as the real foreign minister, chaperoning Osman Saleh, the acting foreign minister in all his travels.

According to the document that Gedab News received, the strategy involves bi-weekly talking-points that Yemane Gebreab delivers to the task force through Paltalk sessions in which operatives from several PFDJ affiliate groups attend.

As reported previously, the aim is to counter the growing objections and misgivings inside Eritrea as well as in the Diaspora regarding the Eritrean alliance with Saudi Arabia and the UAE on the aggression on Yemen, a position that has aggravated the PFDJ support base.

Reports indicate that the discontent among the supports of the PFDJ base has been growing following the undisclosed peace agreement Isaias Afwerki reached with prime minister Abiy Ahmed of  Ethiopia. However, according to PM Abiy, no agreement has been reached regarding the border, a serious issue among the PFDJ support.

After being told for almost two-decades that the demarcation of borders and the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops was a prerequisite for peace, PFDJ operatives are finding it hard of to explain to the supporters that the border issue is secondary to Ethiopia’s stability.

The activities of the task force known as “Mekhete 2” (Defense) is the second largest media campaign, after “Mekhete 1” of 2001 that was launched following the arrest of PFDJ officials and government ministers. “Mekhete 1” was chiefly conducted by former Eritrean Ambassador  Andebrhan Weldegiorgis and Ambassador Beyene Reesom. The main message of the Mekhete was an attempt to explain to the Diaspora supporters of the PFDJ that arrest the G15 was due to the risk they posed to the Eritrean national security. This time, “Mekhete 2” is directed by Yemane Gebreab in collaboration with the task force to combat “negative media.”

The list of names that Gedab News obtained identifies the following individuals as the members of the task force that is briefed by Yemans Gebreab on Paltalk every other weekend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


NB:
1. As an additional measure for proper identification, we have provided age and location information.

2. we apologize for several errors in the text that are now corrected.

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  • Beyan

    Selam Nowinc & Blink

    ናይ ብሓቂ ዘስደምም’ዩ: መን ከብዱ ምስ ረገጾ እዩ ኸ ክንድዚ ምጉሳዕ:: Unless Blink and Gheteb are one and the same -:) That’s the only plausibility. Otherwise, the man is more than capable to defend for himself. Let him address the real issues instead of ቆሎ ጥጥቖ of መን ሓዉ ንመን or what vowel is missing in a name or the mispronunciation of one’s name by his colleagues, what have you? Which reminds one of the man at the helm’s cyclical response to the question of Dawit Isaak (A Swedish national of Eritrean descent) who was made to disappear in Eritrea. How did it go: “I don’t know Dawit. If I don’t know Dawit how do I know where Dawit is” or some nonsense gibberish stuff; only an adult stuck in concrete thinking stage can reason in such a manner.

    Time to move onto what promises to be brain stimulating article, to which I see the fine minds of awate have already given their responses. The article will have to be saved for after work and after the kids are in bed to indulge upon later tonight.

    Cheers,
    Beyan

  • Paulos

    Selam Aman,

    Well put! I absolutely agree. Thank you.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Hope,
    “He can’t be a perfect Dude in the world…”
    Ah..you and I have a yawning difference on the man. My complaint is not that he is not perfect. My complaint is not even that he is not an average person. My complaint is really that he is not normal by an average political standard. I really want to see the dead hand of PFDJ off the shoulder of Eritreans.
    I will make it easy for you to see the concern of many:
    1) Was liberatting and making Eritrea independent the ultimate goal of the struggle?
    2) Was making Eritrea antagonisitic with its neighbors what the struggle envisioned of evolving itself to be?
    3) Was it an Eritrea that suffocates its citizens and exports its youth what was in the mind of tegadelti as an acceptable outcome of their sacrifice?
    4) Would you say a much securitized and militarized society was what was in the mind of many in post Eritrean independence?
    5) Could you have entertained a leader who would tell you to your face to go to the moon to seek democracy or wait for 40 yrs to cast your vote in an election had you known that in time?
    6) Did you ever think that the leader of an independent Eritrea would lead you to a devastating war and a cold war of 20yrs on a border case and comes around and tells you, the case is no more valid or important?
    If you have all or more NOs, you should really worry for your people. If you have all or more YESs, you should really worry even more for yourself.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Hayat Adem,

      I think the best step tplf to take is to rally behind Dr. Abie Ahmed and assist him more than the Oromo and Amhara. This will be good for the people of Tigrai and tplf. It is a grave mistake to leave Dr. Abie Ahmed for Isaias to create a rift among the people of Ethiopia. I hope tplf to reverse its present rigid evaluation and look to the issue from a different perspective.

      The moment tplf and the people of Tigrai change their mindset to opposite direction, Isaias and his kids market will be beaten by depression. Try it. I guess it is with zero cost.

  • Nowin

    Alright ሆሄ,
    Very informative. Thanks.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, i tried to catch up what was said on this great forum but i stopped when i read the Assena guy is shooting to be a prime Minster, i stopped reading any further. First of all Eritrea will never be a primeship system, never. But when the Asena goon was dreaming about being PM, obviously he was thinking to be Ethiopian PM. Good luck with that because Ethiopians are known to allow dumb people to be PM, I get it. however, there is real thing to take Sawa to the next level, which is my project and i must do must do. watch and think. the loser mentality is over and done.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-C3voZwpM

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Nitricc,

      ቅዳሕ and agent too.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Al Arabi; when an An stupid Arab calls an Eritrean Copy, we got a problem. I understand you must be irritated when you hear the name of Israel but there are few things Eritrea must follow Israel’s tech. One of them is the technology in cyber system and the other is the drip irrigation system. I know as you an Arab, you are hunted by the name of Israel but for us, the true Eritrean children, it is a model Eritrea must follow. Do i agree what Israel does, no! but i would like to do for my country what they are doing. Rest assured, you all losers like yourself, will be left behind by the new Eritrea’s progress. by the way, please stop saying ” copy” if anyone is copy, that is you, Dush. I have a dream for the new Eritrea, although, it is inclusive but you may not include you because you have the DNA of the losers.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Nitricc,

          There are many things Eritrea can learn and copy from Israel: its model of National Service, Drip Irrigation, Pharmacology, Desalination technology, harnessing Solar Power, Defence and Aircraft technology, Cryptography and Internet security, anti-terrorist methods, and in general, its Thinking & Problem solving approach.

          What is Eritrea waiting for?

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            Would you put your socks on after you put your shoes on?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Irrespective of the system in Eritrea, it can learn a lot from Israel.

          • Hope

            Simon:
            Agree!
            A two-liner,short,sweet and to the point response,as usual

          • Acria

            Selam Simon,
            The system is everything my friend. What have Eritrea accomplished during the last 27 years? The system needs a total overhaul. Eritreans need be free from any kind of militaristic leadership. The whole PFDJ apparatus need to retire and should be replaced by civilian administration. The duty of the PFDJ at this junction in our history is to peacefully transfer the power to a civilian administration.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Acria,

            We are not taking politics. But, economic and technological development could also bring unexpected positive political benefits.

          • Acria

            Selam Simon,
            Let’s be honest for a change. Without real democracy, any “economic and technological development” will remain in the hands of a few. Human beings are greedy by nature. Thus, without democracy and rule of law, there won’t be any checks and balances in the system. This is why the same people are in power in Eritrea since 1978. They just change their name from EPLF to PFDJ. For the sake of our martyrs and the sake of the Eritrean people, it is high time that the Eritrean leadership needed a dramatic political change.

          • @george

            Dear acria

            So according to u..we should not build a solar powered electricity so our mothers dont have to walk miles to get wood for cooking food…or perhaps buy a small refrigerator to keep food fresh…or life saving medicine can be preserved. Do not you want our adult can go to night school and learn to read so they can learn how fraudulent and fake some Eritreans wannabe..like PAULoSt (woyane worshiper)…ha ha…mr acria, what is that anyway?

          • Acria

            Selam @george,
            All the power to you and any person who can build a COMMUNITY based infrastructure to benefit our poor Eritreans. The question is why haven’t people like you invested in such endeavor? I’m talking about large scale investments that should be implemented without any red tape. In any case, any economic transformation should go hand in hand with implementation of democratic ideals. Old system and old thinking have to give way for new system and new thinking. Otherwise, we might have to wait another 27-some-years for some real change to happen. By the way, I don’t know you, Mr. Paulos, or any ‘Woyane’ in person to pass any personal judgement. So, let’s keep the discussion civil.

          • Alex

            Hi Acria,
            I agree with you that we need to make peace with our neighbours people of Tigray as we doing the same with Amharas and Oromos. You know there will not be a durable peace until TPLF accept and allow the border to be demarcated based on EEBC decision.

          • Acria

            Selam Alex,
            TPLF don’t have any choice but to accept the peace deal. That includes demarcation the border between the two countries. They didn’t have any choice either when they engaged in war of the 1998-2000. It was done to show the rest of the Ethiopian people that they too are Ethiopians and they needed to protect their territory as well. As you remember, they did had a popular support from the rest of the Ethiopian people. It was sadly not a good political judgement with Eritrea though.

            This time it is more serious for them. You can’t have enemies surrounding you. Therefore, for their survival, they have to make the ultimate peace with Eritrea first, at any cost, including giving up territories they think it is theirs, and participate in the democratic transition of Ethiopia that is being undertaken by the leadership of Dr. Abiy Ahmed.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Acria, you seem to be too imadade with the so called democracy. I am not sure if democracy is the way out for Africa or Eritrea. do you think Africa or Eritrea can handle democracy? be honest now.

          • Acria

            Selam Nitricc,
            Definitely I am adamant [imadade?] about democracy. I’m living it! We don’t even have to call it ‘democracy’ as some people think it is a foreign ideal. Let’s call it ‘Gebre Senai”: It is in the Bible and the Quran. Thinking and applying good deeds for the betterment of our people is an obligation of every Eritrean. In that case, yes democracy, alias Gebre Senai, will definitely work for Africa. Nitricc be part of the solution and not part of the obstacle. Our poor Eritreans are dearly awaiting for us to help them transition into the next step of our history full of peace and economic prosperity. That requires openness, transparency, and, of course, Gebre Senai.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon KaleAb,

            “Unexpected”. To walk without knowing where you put your foot will only throw you down a cliff. Unexpected positive results lacks sustainability. You will go back from where you have begun.

            The countries that developed in all fields of life had gone through a well researched five or ten years of strategies. A country governed by a group of unbaked mindsets will never score any development. Such rulers will merely produce a lot of problems to the society they govern. Blindly walking mostly leads to dangers.

            Technology developments have occurred through scholarly researches not haphazardly or unexpected works.

          • Acria

            Selam Simon,
            You forgot to include DEMOCRACY. Without which none of what you have mentioned above are just ideas and impractical. Don’t forget that Israel is a democratic nation, to its citizens.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Simon: I agree and Eritrea was waiting for her survival. Once this border thing is over, I believe you will see different Eritrea. I think only Egypt and Eritrea have mandatory National military service in Africa. take a look Egypt’s overview NMS. I think Eritrea should amend some of the rules. Like if you are the only child, you should be exempted. take a look at this and you tell me if you agree. from wiki….
            “””Service is postponed for students until their studies are finished, before they turn 25 years old and they can not travel abroad without travel permit from the Ministry of Defense. Only Egyptian males with a male sibling are allowed to become conscripted, if they have dual citizenship or no male siblings they are exempt from service. Males cannot be enlisted when they turn 30 because they are considered unfit for the service. Only Egyptians with only Egyptian nationality must be enlisted and called for the service. Otherwise, they are exempted. They can be also exempted if they have no brothers or they are the only supporters for their family.
            A conscript can be enlisted in one of the various arms and branches of the Egyptian Army, the Egyptian Air Defence Forces or the Egyptian Navy. A limited number of conscripts can join as ground/base staff in the Air Force. Those men who do not qualify for selection in any of the armed forces branches, are required to do their service obligation in the Central Security Forces for a 36-month period People graduated from colleges are offered to remain in the career after the obligation period (12–36 months), and they are positioned in special ranks amongst the other conscripts””””””.

    • Hope

      Hello Gen :
      Welcome back buddy!
      How was the Tour in Israel;or was it to practice flying and piloting the new F-35?

      Disclaimer:
      The following comment cannot be considered as a Security issue as the comment mentioned only public records.

      Where and what places did u visit ?
      I left Israel in 1993!

      The Embassy-Consulate in LA turned me down my Visa Request in 2012 or so to take care of my little brother,who was in Be’ersheva or so Detention Camp despite that I have had a US Passport!
      The reason being?
      I misspelled the name of the city wrongly as Ramallah ,the Palestinian Capital and they thought that I am a Palestinian due to my first name!

      This is despite that their records show that I was in Israel as an International Post Grad Student through the Min of Foreigns Affairs of Ethiopia from 1992-1993 or so!
      No further details ….,though
      Hahahah …….

      Granted,I agree with you that we have to have a unique but cautious* relationship with Israel for our best interest.
      That State’s advancement in Technology in all aspects is way beyond one’s imagination .

      People think it coz of the financial logistics and political as well as diplomatic support it gets from the USA and it’s Western Partnrrs and from “The United and Joint Jewish Appeal” Multi billion Programs .

      But we know the Arabs are richer than the USA and Israel combined bit what matters is People led Good Governace along with checks and balances and Accountability/Responsibility(Demo-cracy:Rule by the people),which the Arab World “ HAS NO CLUE ABOUT”,but Nepotism and other high level corruption of all kinds under the world.

      The GoE has had that kind of relationship and the State of Israel was to be involved in those projects you mentioned in general and in Defense and Security ,Technology,Agriculture,Education and Water Resources Mgt in particular among others.

      *Caution:

      Based on historical facts and classified info,NEVER EVER TRUST the Tsionist State on it comes to Eritrea’s National Security Interest of Eritrea.

      Hence,Eritrea should be cautious about/ on its business with such kind of “Sophisticated and Opportunist Partners”!

      There is a reason why PIA has been “Silent and overcautious” when dealing with the State of Israel.

      Hint:
      The Jewish State’s UNIQUE and close to a century covert and overt relationship with Ethiopia since the era of Janhoy,when it trained the “ Cummandis”/ Ethiopian Commandos sent from the “ Province of Eritrea” besides other Security and Defense agreements and its serious negative and destructive role against the Legtimate Eritrean Revolution considering it as an Arab Sponsored Movement to create an Arab State of Eritrea,the provision of massive WMD to the Derghi Regime during Shadushai Werrar (Red Star Campaign Offensives) in general and during the last attempt of Col Menghistu to crash the Eri Revolution and the EPLF Military Might from 1990-1991 and during the Massawa Port Bombing in particular ;and worst of all,its destructive role during the 1998-2000 Ethio-Eritrea War in general and at the Aseb Front in particular,are few things we need to remember so as to be cautious when dealing with Israel!

      So,don’t blame the “ Arab kiddah/copy”guy called Al Arabi”!

      But hope the new Ethio-Eritrea Peace Process and the intended Ethio-Eritrea Economic Integration will “ nullify” the Joint covert evil agenda and operations of the Mossad and the CIA against Eritrea!

      “Temesasilka minbar “ with the New World Order !
      Courtesy of Halie DeruE’

  • Blink

    Dear all
    Why are you guys making too match noises like lunchtime for chickens ? What’s wrong with you guys . What’s special about Gheteb that you all get irritated ? Some of you have been ignored by him and this makes you talk two contradicting points about him . Set your belts where they can save your time because what I read down this thread is all about him and it means you guys are not comfortable enough.
    Gheteb not only ignored most of you but he simply spew his own conclusions and you continue to have stomachache even though he doesn’t notice. You need a new mirror to have a reality check on your own because at this time you take yourself as big as mountain while some people think of you just as smaller summer rats .

    • Nowinc

      Blink,
      You are ranting about nothing!
      Here is a question for you though. Three Tigrigna-speaking Africans have accomplished something no other black African has. Who are they and what did they accomplish?

      • Blink

        Dear Now
        I am not ranting , I am just stating the facts straight. Look at the people who mentioned Gheteb in their comment and count the comments people made about him. Actually some are begging for his reply.
        Paulos , Ayneta, Ismail, Haile TG , Beyan….. the list goes on and on . These people are trying very hard for his reply and only Ayneta made it . Gheteb only reply to saay and that is apart from these people wish .what specific things do Gheteb said for these people run out their gas .

        The three Tigrinya speakers? I don’t know anything about these you are asking because I don’t really spend my time looking for them.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Blink,

      I don’t think the forum intends Gheteb. He is just an errand boy. All comments you (ቅዳሕ) have visited intend his boss and all who peruse the site. They display the elements the regime recruits to face the people of Eritrea. Most apologists suffer from inferiority complex that is the reason they utilize gibberish language to dupe people that they are experts and the rest are “just as smaller summer rats”. As you have described them in your comment above.

      The people of Eritrea have to wake up and make an end to this farce or the tragedy will continue for decades without end. Nothing good is expected from guys hardly beaten by inferiority complex, the ailment of their god.

  • Beyan

    Dear Gheteb,

    From an Eritrean Citizen to another Eritrean Citizen

    I try to minimize my interactions with those who you use pseudonyms. But, it is unavoidable since those of us who do not use stage names are in the minority. After all, what should matter, as far as I am concerned, is the ideas being espoused irrespective of whether one is using an alias or their authentic names. Let us then focus on ideas that which usually separate us so we may separate it from that which brings us together.

    Let us put aside the jargon talk (including the title of the Denver and Atlanta Manifesto). Put aside personalized talk. Put aside Salah, Selah, Saliho (this about covers, all the vowels, the ambiguous “h” notwithstanding). Put aside familial, genealogical or pedigree talk. Let us address the 35 articles contained within the document that the eight individuals who brought us the basic or fundamental rights that Eritrean citizens should be enshrined in under the rule of law. Gheteb, do you think the G15 deserve their day in court? Do you think Cham, Sal’s niece, whose picture you see each and every time you communicate with Sal (i.e., Sal Y., your interlocutor); do you think she deserved to be imprisoned at an age of 14 or 15 (I forget the exact age)? Do you think Ciham deserves her day in court? Do the countless Eritrean children who were summarily imprisoned for one unknown reason or another deserve to be protected from overreach of the authorities in Eritrea?

    Finally, what in the 35 articles do you have any objections to? Can you point to one and give us your reasons for objecting it, please? A simple explanation as to why you object, if you do? And, why not, if you do not? That’s all.

    Good Sunday!

    Beyan

    • Hope

      Thanks Dr Beyan:

      Am glad that you decided to respond to Bro Gheteb directly and constructively as his criticism was directed to you ,your Colleagues and your Article !

      That was a message I tried to relay to Prof Geteb but didn’t want to offend him further as lot of people here asked him the questions you just asked him.

      Specifically,SGJ appealed to him with almost the same questions and unlike others,with a calm tone and with civility!

      SGJ added:
      Modified:
      “Do u have any relatives suffering in the PFDJ Prisons and other victims, that were kidnapped,killed and disappeared ?”
      I don’t recall his answer !

      I am anxious to hear from him.

      • Blink

        Dear Hope
        Relatives in prison or kidnapped or dead has nothing to do with this . Ali Abdu was the household name of PFDJ while his father was in prison and even now he is silent like a winter ant. Beyan Russom wife in prison yet he is serving PFDJ . I have a close relative who his father and uncle are in PFDJ prison for 24 and 18 years respectively but this guy returned from Russia and now he is setting his foot in to PFDJ service in a bigger role.

        The fact that the dictator has so many people under his belt don’t mean other family relatives are not hunted by him. Gheteb can still support DIA even if he has relatives. The game is beyond DNA connection.

        • Acria

          Selam Blink,
          Majority people support the PFDJ for selfish reasons. Selfishness itself has many manifestations. I, for example, will not criticize the PFDJ publicly for fear of what will happen to my family members back in Eritrea. That is very selfish! Selfishness, alias fear, will not bring change at all. We have to be fearless, we have to be vulnerable to ensue change. We are keeping fear alive by burying our heads in the sand and by running away form our problems. Let’s fight fear and bring the needed change in Eritrea.

      • Beyan

        Selam Hope,

        The beauty to awate forum’s revolving virtual gate lies in the infinite latitude it gives to its participants so long they stay civil. So, an interlocutor can civilly ask but the discussant has wide latitude to severely ignore any legitimate questions being asked, not even bother to acknowledge. Of course, there is that time shortage that gets in the way. For example, there were exchanges that I have left hanging yesterday or from a day before yesterday. I read Sal’s, Abi (I so wanted to humorously respond in a word or two like you seem to be so good at doing, alas, I don’t have that talent). At any rate, I came to read Amanuel Hidrat’s piece, and here I am responding to your entry, because there is something in your note that triggered in me to share my thoughts, particularly SGJ’s pertinent question that went unanswered. So, here goes mine for now. The reading time is being compromised by something well worth engaging in.

        There are issues that one can ill afford to ignore. The violation of human dignity is one that rubs deep into my core. I have suffered nothing by this regime nor have my immediate relatives that I know of. But the country from which I originate, when its people suffer such an unbelievable harm for no apparent reason I continue to lose sleep. Mine is sweet dream compared to the nightmarish life in the dungeons that thousands are suffering under the hands of this regime. I cannot forgive myself if I don’t speak up in the way that I know how on behalf of innocent Eritreans. The psychologically conflicted who wish to impose their “moralistic bigotry” as they accuse the victims for being victims is beyond the pale. It is why I challenged Gheteb to man-up and give his rhyme and reason and not insult our intelligence by cloaking under some impenetrable circumlocutions to defend the incorrigible debauchery of institutionalized political, thus social power. (Is that a mouthful, or what? But still not as good as Gheteb, eh)

        Speaking of circumlocutions, corruptions wordsmithing of the highest order. Since you mentioned SGJ, allow me to speculate why he is resorting to video clip approach besides the obvious, which is that our Eritrean culture tends to gravitate toward the spoken word. But, what’s fascinating about his approach that I believe many may miss his craft of using sociopolitical satire to drive his point home is this: What this approach would require from his audience is depth in the act of listening and watching – the subtle and the not so subtle – gestures. Not only that, but also the way in which he seamlessly moves from the pathos to the absurdity can be misconstrued and/or missed entirely. He challenges his listeners to a point – sometimes – of mocking them to wake up and smell the virtual coffee, if you will, that the country is on its final throes. There may not be Eritrea, the nation-state if the public doesn’t step up to the existential threat and its attendant social and political milieu, the trajectory of which appears to be headed back to square one. So, on a scheme of things, our talk here may help us vent our collective frustrations, but I doubt it would make a dent in any meaningful way.

        Cheers,
        Beyan

  • Admassie

    Selam Hope,

    Unfortunately, I missed you both in the Metekel zemecha for I was in freshman by the time you returned.

    1. Talking of culture, it always puzzles me how trends differ from place to place, though cultural or religious events are similar.

    From where I came the event ቡሄ is unkown, though Tewahido Orthodox is the dominant. Girls play Ashenda in Tigrigna only, while we are bilingual (Tigrigna and Amharic).

    We celebrate መስቀል and torch ደመራ on the morning of 17th of መስከረም. The young torch ሽግ/ችቦ and go house to house playing in both languages through out the night:
    ሆያ ሆየ…ሆየ
    ሆየ ዝበልና… ሆየ
    ዓመት ይድገመና…ሆየ
    ሆየ ዘይበሉ… ሆየ
    ዓመት ይማህለሉ…ሆየ

    ሆያ ሆየ…ሆየ
    የኔማ እገሌ…ሆየ
    የስጡኝ ሙክት…ሆየ
    እግንባሩ ላይ…ሆየ
    አለው ምልክት…ሆየ
    አሲምቦ አሲምቦ…አሲምቦ
    የመውደድ ነገር…አሲምቦ
    ቢሰማ ጅብ…አሲምቦ
    ልጆቹን ይዞ…አሲምቦ

    But the same ደመራ event is celebrated in ጎጃም and ሸዋ maybe also in others on the eve of መስቀል.

    Children celebrate ( girls play ሽው ላጋ on ሓሙስ ጽጎ) early ስቅለት morning by going house to house and play (this time only in Amharic)
    ሆ ሙሻ ሙሾ …ሆ ሙሻ ሙሾ
    ሚስቴ ወልዳብኝ
    ጨው ጨው ብላብኝ
    እሜይቴ ይነሱ
    ጉስጉሻ ይዳስሱ
    Hence, I do not think it is celebrated in Tigray, Gondar and others, but in Gojam.

    2. Similarity to the Agew:
    There is an area called ጠለምት (previously በየዳ ) in semien Gondar a neighbor to where I came. It used to be EPRA’s (ኢሕአሠ a militaty wing of. ኢሕአፓ) movement are in mid seventies. There people living in the area are አማሮች. But the names of the villages and places are neither አማርኛ nor ትግር. I wonder if it is አገውኛ, but the what, how and when it happened fascinates me. Some names:
    አዴ ግራድ፣ ታርናሻ፣ አብና፣ አተባ (ወንዝ)፣ጭንፍራ፣ግልቤና፣ በምቢያ(ወንዝ)፣ አዝያ፣ ጠቆላ፣ ሃይ፣ ቲበር፣ መሸሃ፣አቁና…

    Admassie A.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam admassie
      Gojam, gonder, wallo, shawa, amara, itself r agaw words. Amara the people itself is a mixture of agaw and geez (around1100) and some a mixture of agaw, geez and oromo(round 1550)
      And u r pathological liar, how do i know that ur previous comment about where u from and ur comment about stelemet.

      • Admassie

        Dear Teodros,

        ጉዳዩ እንዲህ ነው፡-
        አያ ወልዴ በ አገር ሰላም ለቤተሰቦቹና ለእርሱ የዕለት ጉርስ የምታስገኝለት ትንሽ ሥራ ነበረችው። ጥብቆ ሰፊነት። ከአካባቢው ለሚመጡ የባላገር ልጆች የሚሆን ጥብቆና ቁምጣ በእንጨትና በጭቃ ከተማገርች ሁለት ክፍል ቤቱ ከፊት ያለችው ላይ ተቀምጦ እየሰፋ ይሸጣል። አንድ ቀን እንዲህ እንዳንተ አገር ሞልቶ የተወለደ የሚመስለው እቡይ ይመጣና መሃል በሩ ላይ ይበገራል። ወይ አልገባ ወይ አልወጣ በሩን ሞልቶ ቆመ።

        – ግራ የገባው አያ ወልዴ፡
        “ኣታ ወዲ እተው’ንዶ” (“አንተ ልጅ ግባ እንጂ”)
        – ተጠያቂ፡ ” ኣይኣትውን” (“አልገባም”)
        – አያ ወልዴ፡ “ዋእ እሞ ውጻእ” (“እህ ታዲያ ውጣ”)
        – ተጠያቂ፡ “ኣይወይጽእን” (“አልወጣም”)
        – አያ ወልዴ፡ “እሞ እንታይ ድኣ ደሊኻ?” (“ታዲያ ምን ፈለግህ?”)
        – ተጠያቂ፡ “ምህዋኽ!” (“መበጥበጥ!”)
        አያ ወልዴ በጉዳዩ አልገፋም። ጤነኛ ባይሆን ነው ብሎ ባዘኔታ ዝም አለ።

        አሁንም ጉዳዩ እንዲህ ይቀጥላል፡-
        ህግ በሚከበርበት አገር አሁንም እንዲህ እንዳንተ አገር የእርሱ ብቻ የምትመስለው ደንቆሮ መሃል መንገድ ላይ ይሸናል።
        ይህን የተመለከተ ፖሊስ ተጠጋውና ለምን ብሎ መጠየቅ ሳያስፈልገው ” አይ ወዳጄ ጤናህ ቢታወክ ነውና እንዲህ በግላጭ አደባባይ ላይ መሽናትህ ምን ልርዳህ?” አለው።

        በዚህ የውይይት አምባ ላይ የጥላቻና የድንቁርና ትውኪያህን የምትተፋባቸው ብዙዎች “ጤና ባይሆን ነው” ብለው ንቀው የተዉህ ይመስለኛል። እናም ከዚህ መርጠህ ከምትታመው በሽታህ የምታተርፈው በጎ ነገር የለምና እባክህን ፈውስህን ፈልግ!

        አድማሴ አ

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam admassie
          now u started acting like abi? Just talk about ur agam tg, dont talk about for the thing u don’t have any idea, just compete with ur equal, because u gonna hurt urself like u did.
          Stop lying and i will leave u alone and u can pies in mekele as much as u want, it is not gonna be my problem. Pathological liar.

    • David Samson

      Selam Admassie,
      You must be a bi-lingual then . We use the same words in Eritrean highland to celebrate Meskel.
      There are also some Tigrigna words which appear in Harer: Kebri Dhar.

  • Selam Hope,

    Who is not flabbergasted with the news of corruption and looting coming out of ethiopia? High-rising buildings in the middle of addis ababa and fenced land without owners, the same person owning 5-6 condos and living in qebele given house, while families with children sleep in street corners, and the list of thieves, embezzlers, and robbers of the ethiopian state going to grow by the day, as the government is investigating the mafia-grade economic scandals of the previous tplf-lead government.

    It looks like that the robbers have run away to meqele and other corners of ethiopia to avoid the law coming after them. That is why many properties in addis and other cities have no owners. It was not like that even in the far west, in the no-man’s land, where the the strong and his gun ruled.

    Metec, the government owned but tplf controlled giant corporation, is after all the cause of the delay of the gerd and other mega projects like omo sugar factories and others. It is unbelievable that at the same time tplf worshipers are telling us that the new ethiopian government does not care for the gerd and other mega construction projects. These were the major cash-cows of tplf mafia-oligarchs. Fortunately, metec has been kicked out of projects and new and competent companies are taking its place. The gerd was to start producing electricity by now, but unfortunately, nothing like that is going to happen soon, and sugar factories should have been completed a long time ago.

    History will remember how tplf feasted on poor old ethiopia over the last quarter century. I hope that economic development will peak up as the rodents are kicked out one after the other from the positions they hold.

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Hope,

    You’re perfectly correct that trying to face what we think is not proper or problem “through a vulgar language, intimidation, threat or character assassination” is wrong. It’s in fact futile and counterproductive. Humility reinforced by wisdom and respect would be more effective because such a way would project to the receiver simplicity and moderation which may make positive response more likely.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam dear Ayneta,

    You raised a good point. Where I live as an a political exile, I had to attend language courses after I arrived there. He detected that I already new quite a list of vocabulary. I tried to learn by using dictionary just to help myself doing rudimentary things on my own such shopping. The honest teacher had the audacity to warn me that it was not good to amass vocabulary before having the basic set of grammar in place. He added that a lot of non-natives from former colonies suffer from problems of mastery by memorization of words and poverty of ease of using them. He added and said that some of them tried to conceal their problem and actually inferiority to native speakers by resorting to heavily loaded words that ended misunderstood by receiving ends.

  • Hope

    Selam Ayneta:

    Let me quote you here;

    You declared publically but with a pen name(U R covered, huh?):

    “I think you are mixing mental acuity with jargon excessiveness. Gheteb’s is the latter and in fact negates his efforts to project his efforts as an intellectual. His weakness for the former is testament of his underlying poor mental acuity that is he so desperately trying to hide under his mouthful yet useless heap of words.”
    I am not sure if you violated the posting guidelines but in my opinion, this is beyond an unethical statement, no judgment tho!

    I learned a lesson …to say things better.

    And I respectfully disagree with your characterization,judgment and your attack on people’s persona.

    After all,this is “The Awate University”,in its serious and real sense, where the following top notch professional and Intellectuals contribute :

    -Senior and Junior Scientists(see below and our famous Tesfabirhan Redie is to be included here and CREDIT goes to him for naming this site “The Awate University”-and hope he is ok(Born again Christian?!)…

    -Politicians

    -Writers and Authors(SGJ,Semere Habtemariam,Akhlilu Zere,Yohanes Zerai,Semere Andom..(not sure about their exact Prof and Intellectual background-sorry),etc…)

    -MDs(Dr Paulos ,Dr Horizon,Dr Neberai.etc..)

    -PhDs,-Historians,Sociologists/Linquists(Dr Beyan,Prof Ghirmay, etc..)

    -Pharmacists(Ustaz Aman Hidrat ,etc…)

    -Engineers(Teg Mahmud Salih,an Artist/Musician too,etc..)

    -Artists,Linguists and Humanists(Kokhob Selam,a talented and gifted expert in Arts,Poetry and Humanities)–with an Honorary PhD from Hope and Awate Univ),etc..)

    -University Professors and Lecturers(Salih Younis,Mez,etc….)

    -Lawyers(Prof Berekeht H.,Ghezae Hagos,etc…)

    -Economists(Mez,etc..)

    -Top Notch Theologians and Religious Leaders(Revd Bishop Dr Habtu,Ustaz/Sheik Ismael Mukhtar(please correct me),etc…as am sure I missed lots of MDs, Professionals and Intellectuals,etc..,who have been contributing to this University).

    Cannot miss Ustaz Ahmed Raja…..the Top Notch Statistician and Dr Khalid,one of the few Eritrean experts in Finance/Accounting.

    Am sure Gheteb is one of the top notch Scientists/Linguists Intellectuals and Professionals like Haile the Great and Haile,S..Amde, Fanti Ghana,Semere Tesfay and all other Awatistas that I don’t know enough about their Degrees and PhDs.Ms Hayat Adem,Eyob Medhanie,Guad Abinet…Kaddis,etc..come to my mind based on their perfect and unique articulation, etc..)

    Guess what?

    I personally learned quite a lot of Technical English, where “my limited English is limited” to Medicine and Public Health, despite that I scored way above average in my TOEFL/Written and Oral English and English for Health Professionals/ECFMG.

    My point:

    Let us do better in respecting people and their persona as well as their personal life irrespective of their Religious, Political, Intellectual and National background and origin; rather, let us try our best to challenge ideas with civility and respect and learn from each other with humility, as I have learned lately.

    Why would we care if people adore PIA or the Devil as long as they don’t interfere…except to try to challenge and persuade them with civility?

    Remember that ,most of these Professionals and Intellectuals are most likely in their 50s and 60s….and as such, they deserve a Unique respect.

    Note that the above HUGE list of Intellectuals and Professionals of diverse background would make this University to be an Accredited Online University,not to mention that tis website should be listed as one of the Top Online Media Outlets that addresses almost every aspect of life,Science,Economics,Politics,Humanities,Activism,Human Rights,etc…
    On a separate note:
    I think Dr. Paulos and Ustaz/Prof Amanuel Hidrat should be given a special space/section for Health/Medical Affairs so as to improve the health of the Awatistas in particular, and that of al other people who visit this University, in general.
    A final NOTE to brother Ayneta et al:
    Call me a Hypocrite or Psychotic or a Flip-Flopper, if you wish, but these are common sense and universal facts.
    Cheers,
    With respect!

    • Paulos

      Selam Hope,

      You’re really somethin! If we all are people of professional opinions, who is the student? You? Your sense of humility is admirable. Really!

    • Ismail AA

      Selam hope,

      I think the point in this case is not about academic or other qualifications and competencies. It is about the way one communicates with others through written or spoken word. A good writer or speaker is aware that readers and audiences range from ordinary folks, high academically well placed to people that fall within his own profession or expertise.

      For instance, what would a writer gain if he lets his reader confused mid-way and rush for a dictionary to look an exotic (to him/her) word such “exiguous”. You bet that there is much simpler word to transmit the same meaning even better. You see how intellectuals such as prof. Berekhet, Beyan, Paulos, saay, SJ, Ali Salem and lots of others in this forum write. Your hardly need to stop and go for a dictionary?

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        Sure don’t mean to get philosophical but everything around us including our nature was designed in the most simplistic way among myriad alternatives that could’ve been more complicated.

        The Theory of Averages dectates just that where anything and everything gravitates toward the mean as in the Bell curve.

        Before I get carried away, let me just say this: Suppose you want to get from A to B and you know the exact address of B but you don’t know how to get there. What you do is obviously, you enter the address in your GPS device before you start your car. The GPS has an algorithm that searches the easiest and shortest way possible to your destination. It technically selects the shortest way out of thousands of ways including the route with less traffic! The same rule applies in communicating with people as well either in written form or oral.

        P.S. Imagine if the GPS was Gheteb! It would take you first to Z then to Y then to X then to W then to V……eventually to B 😂.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam dear Dr. Paulos,

          ” … everything around us including our nature was designed in the most simplistic way among myriad alternatives that could’ve been more complicated”. Only well informed mind can sum up in this way an otherwise complex craft of creation. But the paradox arises when members (beings) of minutest part in it (the system) try to abuse the grace of that simplified design of creation. That is why revealed religions call on humans to settle for moderation.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for those kind words.

            Suppose you’re thirsty and naturally you would want to drink water. What you normally do is you look around where water is. This means that you have information about water and where the body of water would be as well–it could be a well, river or tap water. This may sound strange but as much as you have information about water, the water you’re looking for has information about you as well. A virus has information about the cell it is attacking and the cell has information about the virus as well. In a scientific parlance or jargon, you and the water you’re looking for are correlated through information!

            Your kids carry information about you and your wife which is correlated through the genetic blue print you passed on to them. We are essentially connected or correlated through information with everything and anything around us! This is the new 21st science otherwise known as Emergent Phenomena or Complexity! Science of Information!

            What exactly is information? One may ask. In the late 40s, a mathematician and an Engineer [Forgot his name] defined information as the measure of possible alternatives of something. Well, if we go back to the first example we used, as in the correlated information between you and water, the definition of information gets a bit blurry. What exactly is the information about you embedded in the body of water?

            Here is the fun stuff: During the Napoleonic war, France was looking for ways to upgrade its war ships [Steam Engine] and an Engeener named Sadi* Carnot stumbled upon something which changed the philosophy of science in a profound way. He realized that, it is impossible to extract 100% efficiency as in energy out of a system. More over, he understood that, in order to extract work out of a system, energy has to flow from hot to cold where the remaining heat is dissipated into an open system or into the atmosphere. It essentially marked the birth of new science otherwise known as Thermodynamics.

            A century or so later, an Austrian who was endowed with an incredible imagination but of an erratic mood [today, we call it bipolar disorder] posed a fundamental question when he probed the nature of heat. Heat, he said, is randomness where the molecules move around frantically which is impossible to find out or predict their velocity or position with precision, say, after a minute or an hour or a week for that matter. To get out of this ignorance, Science came up with parameters as in temperature, pressure, volume and density where they approximate the exact movement of the molecules [The key word here is approximation–the thing we call reality around us is an approximate of the real deal**] The fact that, we can not know with precision the movement [Velocity and Position] of the molecules, we are ignorant about them and he dubbed the ignorance the “Missing Information.” The measure of the missing information is known as “Entropy.” And as you know, entropy increases, it doesn’t decrease as much as heat can not flow from cold to hot places!

            Ludwing Boltzmann, the fact that he was way ahead of his time, fell in depression when the scientific community rejected his ideas [Back then the idea of an atom was not known or accepted with in the scientific community], then at the age of 57, he killed himself. In his honour, his ground breaking equation “S= k log2 W” is inscribed right under his statue in Vienna today. His monumental discovery gave rise to a set of discipline otherwise known as “Statistical Mechanics.” Statistical, because all the parameters tell us approximates of a system. Now, the idea of the missing information is prevalent in every academic discipline including Computer Science, Abstract Physics including Black Holes in Cosmology as well.

            The frightening dilemma is that, if the Universe can not function with out energy and energy flows from hot to cold not the other way around and if the missing information increases not decreases, this means everything around us will end in what is called in “Heat Death.” Or in other words, there will be an equilibrium where everything in the Universe comes into a complete halt!

            Here comes the beauty of nature [I call it the mercy and love of God!] Our very nature as in we humans are designed with a way out. The very reason you and the body of water correlate through a shared information is precisely because to escape from the nihilistic end game or “Heat Death or Death Heat.”

            The reason you seek water is to construct order out of an increasing disorder [Increasing Missing Information] so that your body doesn’t die out [a disorder]. To be more precise, we are designed to extract order out of an immense and increasing disorder so that it won’t reach into an equilibrium where useful energy can not be extracted any longer. In order, for that not to happen, water collaborates with you through a shared information.

            *His father named him Sadi after the famous Iranian poet.

            **Three millennia ago, Plato came up with the idea of a sublime “Form” where he said, the thing we call reality is merely the reflection of the “Form” or as he put it a shadow of the “Form.”

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dr. Paulos,

            Thank you for this graciously educating input. When learned persons like yourself get provoked by inquisitive questions or comments, their overheated minds with warmth of knowledge galvanize to open exits for information to flow to minds (like my own) that endure chilliness of due to scarcity of knowledge or for lack of capacity to gain it.

            What you have provided with skill and simplicity is utilizable and can be grasped by any ordinary average reader despite the complexity of the substance discussed. This make a difference between one who amasses knowledge for the sake of social status and prestige and another who combines the latter with duty to serve fellow humans.

          • Beyan

            Goodness gracious. What a talent the good doctor possesses. This really left me awestruck in disbelief that someone can make complicated subject matter so lucid and so understandable and so left me wanting more. Thank you gentlemen for such an exchange. This really, I mean really made my Sunday. I got my dose of music earlier today and now this. I am done learning from Awate University for today.

            Good Sunday!
            Beyan

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            Thank you for the lesson. Impressive summary. I was wondering if you are interested in Suphism! For some reason I ding your explained nature of information is what got many nitable Sufis killed by the powers of the day (similar to those who persecuted Galileiou(

            Fire axampke, al Hallaj was Brittany killed—all his limbs amputated and the cruscified in Baghdad) because he said I have God in me, and God is in the same jacket which he wears with me. And “I am the truth”. His poems and books are all about the inter-relation which I cannot help but relate to what you explained.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Glad you like it. Thank you. No I am not familiar with it. It would be interesting to know. Maybe, Awatistas could shed light on it. Thanks again.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paola’s,
            I am glad you are interested, any student if philisopy will. As for me, I am always intrigued by Sufism for the wealth of literature, philosophy and oh, the poetry they left behind. But then the people who made religion a political tool objected and immersed us a dark age which is still crippling us. I have so much stored material and when time permits I will try to share AlHallaj and Sahrawerdi. In the mean time, if you get the time google Ibn Arabi, Ibn Kheldiun and others to see the depth of their knowledge that is at par with St. Agustine. Until then, stay good.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Thank you for the info. Will check it out.

          • haileTG

            Paulos,

            This is great Sunday afternoon read that you posted. I have to admit I am one of those who suffer allergic reactions to western school of thought. I think all that is being repackaged as western had been known and worked with more than 5000 years ago. The relics of ancient civilizations tell us that much.

            Now consider a chain, a ring and a bracelet that are made of gold. Is Gold a fourth item. No. Is it one of the three. No. So what should the gold say to the chain or the others? It can say that its nature is beyond them. It can’t be touched by any of them. But is gold in all of them. True. Yet it is also none of them! It gives existance to them but their existance is not real for they can’t be separated and made to exist independently of the ground of existance. If you take the gold, chain disappears.

            So we have something that is pure and untouchable, in all beings, but the beings have a borrowed or false existance, and the three become one. Form, name and use borrow existance from the one, the supreme God. But have none by and of themselves. Plato was way late to this by at least 4000 years😄

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            As Amde would say it, this is Gold, what you just said that is! Thank you.

            Should we say three in one? “Platonic Form”, “The Physical World” and “The World We Perceive.” I sure don’t mean to cause you any allergic reaction where I tend to invoke Western Philosophy.

            In the “Critique of Pure Reason” Kant, capitalizing on the “Platonic Form” argued that, the thing we call “Space” is a construct of the mind which he said has an independent existence of the physical world where our perception is built on.

            Mind you, what Kant had in mind was the Euclidean two dimensional space. And this idea where Euclidean geometry or space is an absolute and an independent entity, dominated the Western mentality for over thousand years till Mathematicians discovered a non-Euclidean geometry where it shook the very tenet of Kantian philosophy. To be more precise, if non-Euclidean geometry where three dimensional space exists, Kantian apriori lost its meaning.

            David Hume’s Empiricism won out where he argued that, the mind is not an independent entity but a function of the physical brain instead. If the Platonic Form was compromised due to the discovery of the non-Euclidean space, the Physical World including our perception about it came into a serious scrutiny when Einstein came up with the General Theory of Relativity. In it, space altogether lost its meaning when it turned out to be a reaction to the things in it where it’s curvature depends on the masses of the objects it “contains.” In essence, mass and space became two faces of the same coin where one can not exist without the other.

            At the turn of the 20th century however, a new concept was introduced that replaced the thing we call space. The idea of an invisible field with non-random or non-arbitrary value became the main foundation of modern physics. This field which was later came to be known as electro-magnetic field was found to pervade every where and any where. If light which is essentially an electromagnetic wave traverses through this field, it stands to reason that, gravity ought to have a medium or a field where it traverses through as well. If the electromagnetic wave [light] is quantized or owns discrete values [non-random values], does the gravitational field where gravity traverses through, own discrete values [non-random values]? That is, is the space which appears to us [The World We Perceive] continuous, is divisible or reducible into small parts instead? Again, the fact that, it is difficult to know if space can be reduced with discrete values, we came up with approximate values as in “Area” and “Volume” to overcome our ignorance about the fundamental constituents of space. In truth, living with uncertainty works for our survival where the true nature of the thing we call reality seems to be elusive to say the least. What is real? asks, Morpheus in “The Matrix.”

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Paulos,

            We have a physics that has no clue what matter is and a psychology with no clue what a mind is! When you throw in the double slit experiment that invalidated measurement and quantum entanglement that violates cause and effect into the mix… Haha what are we supposed to make of it? BTW Haha in Hindi means alas! I am not using the western Haha here:-)

            Suppose I am (whoever that is:) typing this comments. The texts herein are thus tangible, i.e. material in nature. However, they were all generated from my thought processes, i.e. something that is not physical in nature. How does a non-matter thought give rise to a materially manifested texts like this? The hard problem of consciousness as it is known is essentially this: how does a physical matter get switched on? The brain is enclosed in a dark place, yet it recreates light by processing sensory data. Speaking of sensory data, there is no evidence whatsoever that anything exists out there. We depend on sensory data to disprove this age old solipsistic premise. Hence impossible to do so. Intellect can’t be simply a brain centered function as espoused by the western school of thought. I Think therefore I am makes more sense if reversed to I am therefore I Think.

            There are clues however. Imagine the collapse of everything into nothing when we go into deep sleep. In that state you, me and any other living creature doing the same, all have identical experience. We essentially become a potential state when we go to deep sleep, we don’t even know I. Such complete shutdown of the mind doesn’t stop brain activity though. We wake up after some time and know that we slept. What knows it, i.e. if the mind was shut down?

            The other clue is dreaming. It is common to recount what we did in our dreams. But if you look closely, it wasn’t only ourselves in the dream. Actually, dream involves a fully convincing stage set up mental reality that includes even the smallest of detail in the construction of the environment characters in it. The spooky side is that since dream is totally inside our brain, this brain is playing all parts simultaneously! Could you believe that? If a lion is chasing you in the forest, you are “you” the one running, you are “the lion”, you are “the forest” you are “the chase”, virtually everything is flowing out of you!

            I hate to bring all these close to night time, I hope you read it tomorrow, but God is the safest option…everything else can get real spooky…

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Haile,
            I read once that in ancient China if someone wronged you in a dream, you could actually sue them and get damages. Have you heard anything like that?

          • haileTG

            Haha SJ

            No I didn’t know that. But come to think of it, what is the difference(dream or wakeful) as far as the psychological ordeal to be suffered is concerned:)

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            ደድሕሪ ኣድጊ ዝኸደ ህላ ተዘይለመደ ጥራጥ ኣድጊ ለመደ፣ ለኪመካ ከይከውን ተስፋ ይገብር፣ And hope I didn’t take you away from the real deal of exposing PFDJ and bringing you in to the abstract world. Nonetheless, this is good stuff and thank you for the thought provoking great inputs.

            Certainly from an evolutionary point of view, sleep is counterproductive and counter-intuitive as well. Imagine that, you’re one of the ancestors who lived in a cave where you spend your day hunting and gathering. And deep sleep could easily expose you to a predator where you practically dwell and sleep in a doorless cave or in an open field for that matter. As such, as much as sleep is counterproductive from a survival point of view, it is selected for by nature nonetheless. That means, it has more advantage than the above stated disadvantage.

            If I could take you to Physiology and Biochemistry, one of the essential hormones in our body is the Growth Hormone. Basically it is the same as Insulin were both play a major role in anabolism–growth. Thing is, growth hormone works when we are in deep sleep and that is the reason we don’t feel it when we are gaining height. And equally interesting is the fact that older people do not go into deep sleep for there is no need for the growth hormone to function as it has done the growing process when the person was adolescent. That is one of the advantages of a deep sleep and sleep in general.

            Eastern Philosophy is interesting where as you put it, we are prisoners of our perceptions–our sense of reality is the product of our neuronal senses. Everything around us is an illusion of you will. The Western Philosophy on the other hand is centered on a Man’s role in this otherwise strange world where alluding everything to an illusion is taken for a self-defeat, instead subscribes for affirmation to life.

            Schopenhauer for instance, after spending years in India came back to Germany convinced that, the greatest enemy of humanity is “The Will” where it controls not only individuals to be greedy and obsess about material gain but he said, it is the main driving force behind history as well. He recommended for humanity to give up “The Will” and for humanity to find peace with itself. His nemesis and contemporary Nietzsche on the other hand dismissed with an aggressive assertion the idea of illusion and “Idealism” in general and pushed for living life to the fullest, how painful and miserable life might be. For him, the ultimate heroism was affirmation to life knowing full that death was inevitable.

            If you think about it, in year one A.D. world population was 250,000. In 1974, world population was 4 million and with in 40 years, it almost doubled. When we see the trend, we see something remarkable. It took humanity almost 1000 years to make it to a 1 million mark but merely 40 years to double its population. Against all odds, as species we made it, particularly during the most difficult 1000 years, then through courage and using mental faculty and prowess, not only we affirmed our place in this strange world but we have been able to pass on our genes to generations where it is essentially what “Survival of the Fittest” is all about. We wouldn’t have made it this far, if we had embraced “Self Defeat” but the very credo of Western Philosophy anchored on “Affirmation to Life” got us thus far!

          • haileTG

            መርሓባ ጳውሎስ፣ እወ ሳዕስዕ እሞ ስራሕካ ኣይትረስዕ እንድዩ፡ ህግደፍ ድማ ከይሞልቆና:-)

            I must say I enjoyed your detail, clarity and depth of interest. I hope one day in not too distant century, the “western” narrative will correct into “all of humanity” narrative. Science and Spirituality shouldn’t really be seen separately. I feel more mature conversations are starting to happen as more and more white yogis are coming along:)

            But let me tell you a short joke that captures this essence of unity in both:

            A scientist challenges God that she can do anything God does. So, God says “I can create man from earth and breath life onto him”. The scientist says that such was easy and she can do it too. God says “well lets start on count of 3 then…”and counts to 3. The scientist runs to get some earth from the ground and God says “Stop! Go get your own earth!”.

            Hope we haven’t gone over the weekend curfew… now where is PFDJ:)

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            Thanks for the joke. Weekend was for chill time and a bit of walk in the park conversing philosophy among other abstracts. Week-days is ታሓናነቕ ምስ ህግደፍ መንደፍ and of course make the upcoming historic demonstration a game changer!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            You shouldn’t worry. Actually I am thrilled you could provoke versatile minded guys to respond and add to what you have graciously provided. ግዲ ኣይትግበር። እዞም ኣሕዋት ሃይለ፣ 2 ሳልሓትን የርክብሉ እዮም። ዘጸግሞም ዘለዎም ኣይመስለንን። ግርም ኣለኻ ኣምህር ጥራሕ። ካልእ እንተተሳእነስ ካብዞም ኣይ ቆሎ ኣይ ጥጥቆ ሒዞም መጺኦም ንስርዓት ንምክልካል ክብሉ ቁምነገር ሓዘል ክትዓት ንምጭዋይ ዝፍትኑ ሰባት ቁሩብ ነዕርፍ፡

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for those encouraging words. The motto is of course, we should never stop learning and as you have aptly put it, we wish others could chip in productive ideas instead of engaging in let or put down threads. Thank you again Kbur Haw.

          • saay7

            Haha Haile:

            One of the hardest things for people to do is to transcend their culture and traditions. You are looking at Plato from *your* specific cultural and traditional vantage point. The thing that makes Plato different is that his followers (the so-called “Western philosophy”) started so many schools of thought over the years (from his essentialism or what makes the tree a tree is its treeness, which is similar to your “gold” argument, about “essence”) to existentialism (its opposite), structuralism, post structuralism, authenticity, phenomenology and on and on …… resulting in mathematical and physics calculations to land a shuttle on the moon with perfect precision. (based on rationality and empiricism which worships at the altar of science.)

            In contrast? The other schools (Eastern, particularly) never moved past the 15th century, if that, and said, “we know everything there is to know; the door is closed “gegezakhum kidu Hawi agwagdu.”

            What do you think?

            saay

          • haileTG

            Merahaba saay,

            hmm…assuming somebody landed in the moon (not Hollywood), zooming through radioactive belt and manged to have a flag wave in a vacuum 🙂 Let me share a joke:

            Einstein was relaxing in a beach when he saw saw something unusual. A man nearby dug a small hole in the ground. He then keeps going off to the sea and brings a spoonful of water and pours it to the hole. He keeps going back and forth doing this until Einstein got puzzled and decided to ask him. So, he asks the man what was all that for. The man says he is busy and doesn’t want to be distracted but shares with him that he intends to empty the sea with the spoon and fill it all up into the tiny hole he dug. Well, Einstein retorts “you must be crazy”. Hearing this the man looks at him bewildered and asks “aren’t you trying to fill the entire universe into your tiny head just the same?”

            I know science has done wonders, but it has its limits is my point. Also, scientific research and discovery didn’t start from 0 with Greek civilization, albeit, it is the politicization of science has created such cultural appropriation as we have it today. It is not science that I have issue with so much as the unwarranted monopoly:)

          • saay7

            Selamat HaileTG:

            Somebody told me the best answer to conspiracy theories is to out-conspiracy-theorize. So, when people question if the moon landing was real, the answer is, “you don’t really think the moon, is real, do you? Everybody knows it is an optical illusion.” You should try that with your typical PFDJ propeller head when he tells you the whole world conspires against Eritrea. “Never mind the world, everybody knows the Martians are in on that conspiracy. Natom gedifka tezareb.”

            Your story about taking water one spoonful at a time to fill a hole reminds me of what Milton Friedman (famed Chicago school economist) is supposed to have said when he went to visit China. He saw workers using shovels instead of tractors and when he asked why he was told, “it’s a job-creation program.” Well, then, in that case, he said, make them use spoons and employ even more people.

            On science, my point was that Western civilization passed by rationality and science which made all the discoveries we now take for granted possible. Western civilization has no answers for happiness or fulfillment; look East for that:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hey Saay, That I agree! [don’t tell people though, but there are happy pills you can buy too..]

          • Aligaz G

            Dear haileTG

            Assume there is a universal “knowledge mountain” where you designate the peak “nirvana”. This implies knowledge is path independent. You ascend up the mountain by whichever path you choose. It could be science, religon, mysticism, intuition, music, art, even the more holistic Eastern experential pathways.

            Along the various pathways up this knowledge mountain you encounter fellow travelers and there is an exchange of information especially during periodic pauses due to for example climactic conditions. For convenience sake designate these pauses Kuhn moments or paradigm shifts.

            Now if all pathways lead to a universal peak then all knowledge is ultimately the same and the paths themselves are knowledge and the knowledge motif force is itself conserved.

            Knowledge phenomena such as Leibnitz and Newton discovering The Calculus simultaneously but separately point to this collective journey up the mountain but what causes this knowledge transcendence of time and space ( ie system wide communication ) also links intuition, mysticism (religion) and science. Call it the ever cliched collective unconscious or even the information ether but there is an undeniable universal.

            Happy pills are an attempt to modulate the knowledge environment in the brain but the gut brain is also affected. The reverse is also true. Probiotics or gut happiness pills are supposed to modulate gut flora which in turn modulate the gut brain which in turn modulates the brain itself through chemicals transported through the blood brain barrier or even directly by the vagus nerve etc.

            It would have been interesting to analyze Einsteins gut flora. Einstein was an intuitive scientist (a gut instinct type). Many times he would farm out the mathematics and let the paper work catch up (math bureaucrats such as Bose). But what was great was invariably his intuition would be proven correct.

            Sufis and other poet mystics also fly up the knowledge mountain even at night and through the worst blizzards. But we have no gross measurement techniques to understand what method geniuses use to access the universal knowledge motif force.

            Many mad poets complain happy pills have a tendency to smooth out their creative juices. Perhaps happy pills destroy the knowledge motif force gradient. If you are on the road to knowlege nirvana you should probably get rid of your happy pills (but check with your shrink first).

            cheers

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aligaz G.

            I find your input is worthy addition to this interesting discussion. These “happy pills”, which poets blame for negative influence reminded me of the celebrated Persian poet, Omar Khayyam and his “Rubaiyat”, I mean if you are aware of his works. He was fond of wine, and if we would imagine wine is stimulant that was negative to his capacity as poet, do not you think he could have had not adored it:

            “I wish to drink so deep, so deep of wine that its fragrance may hang about the soil where I shall sleep, and that revellers, (sic) still dizzy from last night’s wassail, shall, on visiting my tomb, from its very perfume fall dead drunk.”

          • Aligaz G

            Ismail

            You know people overdramatize their own lives and miss the greatest things. Imagine, even wine of all things, can be a path to The Sacred according to the great Sufi poets. You know Iran used to be such an amazing place a thousand years ago. They were literally drunk with The Creator. Now, as Rumi would say about the guys running things there these days – never trust a teetotaler 🙂

            cheers

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Aligaz,

            The pill is meant to kidding as saay said to look east for happiness. Otherwise, all pills are strictly speaking, symptom management techniques induced through temporary altérations to the body’s biochemical balances. I am not much fun if alternatives exist. So please understand that I don’t promote them.

            I agree with what you wrote about the pathless path to knowledge. In fact, you explain it so well when you describe it withe analogy of a single mountain. Some also believe that knowledge is our essential nature others see it as something to be discovered, measured and packaged. That is the ignorance of west’s brain centered quest. It is an intelligent universe out there 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Dear haileTG

            Right after I read Hope’s paen to Awate Univ I stumbled onto your exchange with saay culminating with the off the cuff “happy pills” riff. Lo and behold one happy riff deserves another – and Ismail just started quoting Persian poetry. Isn’t this great?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile TG,
            I have just posed a question to Salehom. I think it reflects what you wrote in the last paragraph of this entry. Instead of repeating the question, I would love if you could also have a look at it. Thank you.

          • haileTG

            Hey Ismail,

            I share your outlooks as implied in the question. I also believe we need to distinguish between science and scientism. The latter is the ego byproduct nurtured and protected by the political establishments for political end. Science means knowledge and it has no identity or unique origination, nor there would be any cessation from it so long as our very nature essentially dictates it. Scientism is however a belief that the world as we know it can and should only be expressed through the scientific method. This boils down to a belief system that needs to be defended and argued for just like any other religious belief system. Such tendency is mostly of western imposition. Even if it is patently clear that science has done many wonders, has many limitations and has done many damages, the scientism school of thought is very aggresive and childish at times when it is required to work with all other sister -isms. Dismissing scientism doesn’t amount to dismissing science. That is like dismissing PFDJ does not amount to dismissing democracy and justice:)

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile TG,

            Thanks for answering my question. Fascinating distinction. The purpose of scientism reminded me of two scientists who had regretted unintended damages their achievements did later. These were Alfred Nobel and Albert Einstein. The former. who became scientist turned businessman, for dynamite, and the latter for atomic bombs. Nobel regretted his discovery by way of establishing Nobel Prize for men and women who excel in discoveries and ideas that serve humanity in benign way, while Einstein could not do anything beyond expressing dismay that establishments as you have termed them converted his ideas for production of mass killer weapons.

            When we see the catastrophes landmines do in maiming innocent ordinary passerby, and the perpetual disaster atomic bombs caused to the peoples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we can fathom how scientism human egoism can combine to endanger the earth and what it contains.

            By the way, I read quite long time ago the dismay Einstein had voiced in a rare interview (Arabic) he gave to the celebrated journalist, and former editor of “Al Ahram” newspaper of Egypt, the late Hassanein Heykal. According to the journalist, this was half an hour conversation during daily jogging time of Einstein due to constraint of time. Heykal had published this interview in a book of several personalities that included the Shah of Iran, Nehru, Juan Carlos, the former king of Spain etc.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Salehom (saay),

            I suspect you had in mind oriental mindset snapped to predestination when you saw progressive scientific discourse halted at 15th century. This makes sense especially when some tenets (without going to details of course) of some faiths are considered. But given that at the heydays centuries of oriental civilizations scientific and artistic products had crossed borders of the cultures of the later dominant West, does it make sense to argue that the fact that science and modernism in the West focused on self-defense technology first and that in turn was used to impede oriental science to compete?

            Here I am thinking about depletion of natural resources of Western Europe and consequences that pose as existential threat and internal wars, which was reason to embark on exploration and subsequent imperialism and colonialism in search of space and resource.

          • saay7

            Hala Ismailom:

            Ah, I see where you are heading with this but the timeline doesn’t bear it out. I wish people would rename “Western Philosphy” something else because I think its name gets in the way: our cultural and traditional milieu instructs us to reject that which is not ours. This parochialism of course exists even within Western philosophy, dividing the rationalists (English) from the rest (continental philosophy). I don’t doubt that the East produced its Kants and Kierkegaard’s; what I think I see is the series on how each Eastern philosopher builds on the former.

            Here’s the main difference between Eastern and Western philosophy explained in less than 5 minutes

            https://youtu.be/0N_RO-jL-90

            saay

        • Abi

          Paul
          I think Gheteb’s GPS will automatically choose the scenic route through the mountains and jungles and ended up with a sign that says ” Road Ends “. Oops!
          Make a U-Turn! … Calculating Route….

          Good thing is I like Gheteb so I don’t mind driving with him and getting lost in the winding roads of the jungle of jargons and words longer than a python until the road ends on us. Road Closed!
          He continued on foot. I made a U-Turn.

          • Paulos

            Abinism,

            Road closed is ingenious and funny. Metaphorically speaking, don’t hop on if he offers you a ride as in turn him down if he tries to sell you his political talking points even if the bonus is chillin by the shores of Gerg’sum.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,

            It is really funny.
            Occasionally I like riding with ‘Gheteb through that winding and scenic road to no where.
            The problem is he also want to sing his new RAP creation in a loud and unpleasant voice. He doesn’t get the message when you are holding your ears in your hand.
            You come to realize that the only thing he cares about is the rhyme and nothing else.

            Mr. K. H

      • Beyan

        Dear Ismail AA.,

        Precisely the point I was trying to make when I responded to Anyeta about the subject matter at hand. The first thing a writer should consider when writing, in my estimate, is to think of the audience. Once that audience is imagined in the mind’s eye, the writer will adjust his/her word choice, the structure of his/her ideas at a sentence level as well as at a paragraph level. The coherence, the flow, the voice of the writer then will naturally begin to emerge. That has been my approach.

        At this moment, as I am penning my thoughts in this very space, I have you (Ismail AA) in mind whilst at the same time, I am also thinking of those who consistently participate in the forum, which would become the yardstick by which I measure the temperature of the words I choose. If there are those who choose to read only, which I am certain there are, those, too, I would imagine being at the level of the above individuals in the forum I just mentioned. The ball of writing kind of begins to roll naturally from there. When I am writing an article, well, that’s a different ball-game altogether.

        Good Sunday!
        Beyan

        • Ismail AA

          Hayak Allah dear Beyan,

          What you wrote is spot on. Someone who writes without readers (receivers) in focus writes for him/her self, which means there is no message to transmit or cause to address. If there is no message, it means such a writer has ceased reacting with organic or inorganic things around him/her. It becomes physically existence in an environment that is spiritually and psychologically insulated by own design or due to some mishap beyond control.Then, the written product turn to be dry and inconsumable to a reader’s mind as spent fuel to an engine is.

    • Ayneta

      Hope;
      Future-Ministry -of-health…I mean it with positive gist.
      You comment well taken.
      Let see now if you will scoff at your mentor-in-jargons a.k.a Gheteb the same way…he has called me names few comments down.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ayneta,

        What kind of a person are you? አንታይ ዓይነት ሰብ ኢኻ “ዓይነታ” ??

        You wrote:

        ” I mean it with positive gist”. What? “positive gist”? What does “gist” mean? Now don’t make up your own definitions. Provide standard reference to buttress your usage of the word “gist” or join your league which I have told you is no where but in an elementary ESL class.

        Before I have conclusively shown you don’t even know the correct meaning of the word “jargon” and here you are again displaying your utter IGNORANCE by your INACCURATE use of the word “gist”.

        The list of inaccurate usage of words is growing and the best thing for you to do is to enroll in your nearest ESL class forthwith!

        ” gist
        noun:
        gist; plural noun: gists
        1. the substance or essence of a speech or text”.

        QED!

        • Lamek

          ‘Gheteb, they don’t teach such obscure words such as gist in ESL. In any case, smart guy as you are, you should have been able to quickly learn that Ayneta meant to say positive gesture. He got close enough.

      • Hope

        Selam Aynom,(as your Mom calls you):
        My response was a GENERIC one but I guess he was “over-reacting” to your over-reaction.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Ayneta,

    What kind of a person are you? አንታይ ዓይነት ሰብ ኢኻ “ዓይነታ” ?? You are indeed one shameless IGNORAMUS who doesn’t even hesitate for split second to parade his utter IGNORANCE in front of the whole wide world.

    Ayneta “ዓይነታ”, you don’t even know the accurate meaning of the term ” JARGON”, but you have erroneously and unabashedly employing it as if it was a piece of a chewing gum that you thoughtlessly masticate.

    The standard meaning of the term “JARGON” is:

    [ “jargon”
    noun: jargon; plural noun: jargons

    special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand.
    “legal jargon”].

    That you are seriously out of your league here is way too evident to merit further expatiation. Your incorrect and inaccurate usage of the term ‘JARGON” is a testament that you, Ayneta, “ዓይነታ”, are indeed wallowing in the deep seas of nescience.

    My unsolicited advice is to read posts in this Forum that are to your level, I mean, an ESL (English as a second language) level. You may remember the fate of the frog that aspired to become an elephant.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Gheteb,

      A noun can be used as an adjective.

      Jargon excessiveness: Jargon here used as an adjective describing excessiveness.

      More examples: History teacher / ticket office / race horse

      Please, add the information to your note book. Note and book are both nouns, but the first noun note here used as an adjective.

    • Ayneta

      Gheteb:
      Exactly my point. You replied my request for simplicity with useless jargons. Your quest for adulation under the disguise of jargons is limitless!
      What is sad is that your words are not as spectacular as your ideas. The latter fade in comparison to your constipated jargons.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ayneta,

        “Your quest for adulation under the disguise of jargons is limitless” is spont on. “Quest of adulation” indeed. He is. In his mind, all members of this forum are not of his league b/c they don’t use his useless jargons, that doesn’t offer any meaningful value to the on going debate.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ayneta,

        What kind of a person are you? አንታይ ዓይነት ሰብ ኢኻ “ዓይነታ” ??

        Are you that OBTUSE that you still don’t get it. You are challenged to provide the correct meaning of the word “JARGON” from a standard reference of the English language and not some half-witted personal definition.

        I know you can’t provide any acceptable proof and therefore the next thing you can do is to enroll in an elementary ESL class.

        • haileTG

          Selam Gheteb,

          1 – Looking down the list of new words Paulos put up from your first entry, which one is not jargon? I am not judging your message thereof, but strictly classifying whether each is a jargon or not. Buffet is a jargon in the restaurant sphere, Gaggle is a jargon in the reporters/journalist circle, Prepounder is a jargon in the legal/research circle, Shibboleth is a jargon in social research/ information technology circles. Actually, in some older meanings Shiboleth actually means jargon. And we can go with the rest like that or give it a rest for the sake of Sunday.

          2 – If Ayneta had written “in a positive essence…” instead of gist, would it pass the test??

          3 – You ask እንታይ ዓይነት ሰብ ኢኻ “ዓይነታ”?? How many types of ሰብ are there? Sandiago recently classified ሰብ into three sub-groups: ሰብ ሰብ፣ ሰብያሰብ ሰብ፣ ካንከንኪኖስ ሰብ is this what you’re alluding to?

          Generally speaking, if you were to put your comment in a pro regime website, then the tables would be turned, i.e. most would applaud you and trash Ayneta and when you comment in an opposition website the opposite would be true. The reason isn’t much of the words, sentences or paragraphs per se, rather the lack of mutual empathy. It is easy to glean from your response ደም ደም ይጨንወንካ/ኪ ከምዘሎ but what is the use really. There is very limited thing you or anyone can do here other than control the narrative and that takes a form of communication that takes the reader into account. And reader in this context is plural (I really don’t give a hoot what a dictionary says, I change those damn rules whenever I please:)

          Generally, I don’t find your comments unheard of or earth shattering, they are reasonable but include some empathy (i.e. that is what I would do if I go to pro regime website in order to ease the natural tension one would expect) and it is said that it does wonders. So far, saay seems the only one engaging you content wise, I think that you would do well to expand on this area.

          If you find my unsolicited advice annoying, please don’t whack me with one of those dictionaries…I am on the way out anyway 🙂

  • Beyan

    merHaba Ayneta,

    You make an excellent point. Clarity doesn’t necessarily require one to use the most obscure words in the English language to make a point. I learned that a long time go during my undergrad years, whereupon my professor in anthropology sat me down in his office after reading my term-paper. He said that I was too enamored with these massive vocabularies. That I needed to focus in how clearly I can state the points I was trying to convey. Nobody wants to consult dictionary every other sentence to read anything. So, Ayneta the nuanced distinction you made between “mental acuity” and “jargon excessiveness” is well taken.

    Cheers,
    Beyan

    • Hope

      Ahlen Bika Dr Beyan:

      You said:

      “So, Ayneta the nuanced distinction you made between “mental acuity” and “jargon excessiveness” is well taken.

      “.
      I respectfully disagree with your comment as it is/was NOT necessary for you to over-react like that…..
      “kab behaliUs degamiuU” kind of approach, with all due respect,Prof!.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Ayneta,

    It’s wonder how much time and effort should have to invested to fish for those jargons – imagine the endurance a person for whom English is learnt a language burdens him/her self: searching, defining and looking uses in syntaxes. Yet, the exercise ends up adding nothing to substance. Simplicity is a great part of the technique for transmitting a message.

  • Peace!

    Hi Hope,

    Sorry didn’t see your comment earlier. I posted the link, didn’t know what happen. But hey! The truth cannot be buried regardless to what extent one believes on false hope.

    Peace!

    • Hope

      Peace:

      “Ignore” Abreham’s unfairly ” personalized” comment.Pray for his health.

      I found PMHD’s Interview(Verbatim Translation in Amharic) :

      “የቀድሞው ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር ሀይለማሪያም ደሳለኝ ለዴይሊ ማቭሪክ የወሬ ምንጭ በሰጡት መረጃ የህወሀትን ገበና እርቃኑን አስቀርተውታል፡፡”

      August 21, 2018

      “(ቀላል አፍረጠረጠዉ ።፡) “የቀድሞው ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር ሀይለማሪያም ደሳለኝ ለዴይሊ ማቭሪክ የወሬ ምንጭ በሰጡት መረጃ የህወሀትን ገበና እርቃኑን አስቀርተውታል፡፡”

      •ይህችን ሀገር አንድ ሰው ከመፍረስ እንዲያድናት ስፀልይ ነበር ።
      • የሚሰሩት ስራዎች የማፊያ ነበሩ ።
      • እስከ መጨረሻው እየገደሉ እየሰረቁ መቆየት ነበር ፍላጎታቸው ።

      “የቀድሞው ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር ሀይለማሪያም ደሳለኝ ለዴይሊ ማቭሪክ የወሬ ምንጭ በሰጡት መረጃ የህወሀትን ገበና እርቃኑን አስቀርተውታል፡፡”

      • ህወሀቶች/ደደቢቶች እኔን ተጠቅመው የበላይነታቸውን ባሰፈነ አገዛዝ ለመቀጠል ያልፈነቀሉት ድንጋይ የለም ብለዋል፡፡

      • በእኔ የስልጣን ዘመን ሀገሪቱም ሆነ ኢህአዲግ መለወጥ አለባቸው በሚሉ ሀይሎችና ዘላለማዊ የበላይነታቸውን አጽንተው ለመቀጠል በሚፈልጉ የህወሀትና አንዳንድ የበአዲን ሰዎች መካከል ከፍተኛ የስልጣን ሽኩቻ ነበር፡፡

      •በዚህ አጣብቂኝ ውስጥ ሆኜ ነበር የምመራው ብለዋል ብለዋል ፡፡

      • የለውጥ ሀሳብ ባቀረብኩ ቁጥር የህወሀትና አንዳንድ የበአዲን ጀሌዎቻቸው ሀሳቡን ውድቅ ሲያደርጉብኝ ነው የኖርኩት ያሉት ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትር ሀይለማሪያም እንዴት ሳንዲዊች ሆነው ሀገር ለመምራት እንደተገደዱ ሁሉንም ጉድ ዘክዝከዋል፡፡

      • በመለስ ዜናዊ የተቀመጠውን የአመራር መተካካት በሚመለከትም ሰፊ ልዩነት ነበረን ፡፡ በተዘዋዋሪ በህዉሓት የተቀባ መሪ ብቻ በቀጣይና በተከታታይ የመሾም ፍላጎት ነበራቸው ።

      • የሶማሊያ ክልል ጉዳይ የነበረኝ መረጃዎች እጅግ በጣም አሳዛኝና አሳፋሪ ነበሩ የክልሉ የነዳጅ ዘይት ጉዳይ 80 ከመቶ ገቢው የቻይናዎቹ ሆኖ ቀሪውን የህዉሓት ኮንሰልታንሲ ድርጅቶች የሚወስዱትና መጠኑ ያልታወቀ ገቢ ደግሞ የክልሉ ፈላጭ ቆራጭ አብዲ ኢሌና የህዉሓት ጄኔራሎች የቻይና እና የሱዳን ኩባንያዎች ጋር ሕዝብ ሳያዉቅ በሚስጢር የተከወነ ነበር ።

      • ይህ እቅድ ሊጠናቀቅ አልቻለም፡፡ እኔን ጨምሮ በርካታ ወጣት አመራሮች አይምሮአቸው በኮሙኒስታዊ ፖለቲካ ከተጠመቀውና ከነባር የኢህአዴግ ፖለቲከኞች ከፍተኛ ፈተና ገጠመን፡፡

      • ለለውጥና ለዲሞክራሲ ዝግጁ ያልሆኑ የህወሀትና አንዳንድ የህወሀት ነባር ፖለቲከኞች በሙስና የነቀዙ ነበሩ፡፡ በዚህ የተነሳ በፓርቲያችን ውስጥ መገፋፋትና ከፍተኛ አለመረጋጋት ተፈጠረ፡፡

      •|ስለዚህ ጉዳዩን ወደፓርቲዬ በመውሰድ የመልካም አስተዳደር ችግር አለብን፤ ህዝቡ አመራሩን ተጠያቂ ማድረግ መቻል አለበት አልኩኝ፡፡

      • አደጋው ምዝበራውን አስፋፍቶ በውስጣችን መከፋፈል የሚፈጥር ነበር፤ ብዙ ነገሮች ከምንቆጣጠራቸው ውጪ ወጥተውም ነበር፡፡ “አገሪቷ ትጋጣለች” “እንደጉድ ትመዘበራለች”

      • ወጣቶች በተለይ በኦሮሚያ ህወሀት የፈጠረው የኢፍትሀዊነት ፖለቲካ ይብቃን እኩል ተጠቃሚ እንሁን ብለው ከፍተኛ ተቃውሞ አነሱ፡፡ በተለያዩ የሀገሪቱ ክፍሎችም አመጹ ተቀጣጠለ፡፡ ደደቢቶች/ እስከ መጨረሻው ድረስ ለመግደል ቆርጠው ነበር ።

      • ለውጥ ካላደረግን በስተቀር መበታተናችንና ሀገሪቱም አደጋ ላይ መውደቋ ግልጽ ሆኖልኝ ነበር፡፡

      • በኦሮሚያና በአማራ ክልሎች ቁጣውና ተቃውሞው በርትቶ የብሄር መጫረስ አደጋ አፍጥጦ እየመጣ ነበር፡፡ እኛ የምንወስደው የለውጥ እርምጃ ግን ሀገሪቱን ለማዳን ፍጹም የዘገየ ነበር፡፡ በተራው ህዉሓቶች ብድርና ገንዘብ ከፌዴራል መንግሥት እዉቅና ዉጪ ያሳድዱ ነበር ።

      • የተበላሸ ብድር እየተባለ ወደ ህዉሓት ደጋፊ ድርጅቶችና ወደ ትግራይ ክልል በመልሶ ማልማት ፕሮጀክት ዋነኛው ፈተናዎቼ ነበሩ ።

      • የተሀድሶ ስበሰባ ባደረግን ጊዜ ይህን ይቀይራል ያልኩትን ሀሳብ የያዘ ዶክመንት አቀረብኩ፡፡

      • አንድ ሰው መጥቶ ይህቺን ሀገር ከመበታተን አደጋ እንዲያተርፋት አስብ ነበር፡፡ ፈጣሪ ፀሎቴን ሳይሰማ አይቀርም ። ይህ ሰው ደግሞ ከፍተኛ የህዝብ ድጋፍ ካለው በተለይ ከኦሮሚያ ወገን ካልሆነ አደጋው የከፋ እንደሆነ ይታየኝ ነበር፡፡

      • አሁንም ቢሆን ይህ ሁኔታ እንዲቀየርና ሀገሪቱ ሙሉ ለሙሉ ከአደጋው እንድትተርፍ ካስፈለገ የተጣመመው ፖለቲካችን መስተካከልና የፖሊሲ ተቃርኖአችን መፈታት ይኖርባቸዋል፡፡

      • ሀገሪቱ አሁን ላይ ሶስት መሰረታዊ እንቅፋቶች እንደተደቀኑባት ያስቀመጡት ሀይለማሪያም ደሳለኝ አንደኛው ኮሙኒስታዊ ዘመም የሆነ የግራ ክንፍ ፖለቲካን ከጫካ ጀምሮ ሲያቀነቅን የኖረው ህዉሓት / ኢህአዴግ መሰረታዊ መብቶችና ነጻነቶች የተከበሩባትና የሰፋ የፖለቲካ ምህዳር ያላት ኢትዮጵያ እንድትፈጠር ይፈቅዳል ወይ የሚለው ጉዳይ ነው ይሉናል፡፡

      • በሌላ በኩል ደግሞ የመንግስታዊና የግሉን የኢኮኖሚ መስክ የተቆጣጠሩት በመንግስት ጭምብል ስር ያሉት ህዉሓት የሚያስተዳድራቸው ፤ ግዙፍ ድርጅቶች (እንደ ሜቴክና ኢፈርት ያሉት ሲሉ ይጠቅሳሉ) የተቆጣጠሩትንና ብልሹ አፈጻጸም ያላቸውን ፕሮጀክቶችና ድርጅቶች ወደተስተካከለ መንገድ ማስገባትም ከባድ ፈተና ይሆናል ሲሉ ይገልጻሉ፡፡

      • በመጨረሻም በሀገራችን ያለው አንዱና ታላቁ ተቃርኖ በቡድን መብትና በግለሰብ መብት መካከል ያለው ተቃርኖ ነው ይላሉ፡፡ እኛ ግን ዘርን መሰረት ያደረገ የቡድን መብትን በማስፈን ተጠምደን ቆይተናል፡፡ ሁለቱ የማይነጣጠሉ የአንድ ሳንቲም ሁለት ገጾች ቢሆኑም በተግባር ግን ይህ አይተረጎምም፡፡

      ከዚህ አካሄድ ደግሞ ህወሀትና የኦሮሞው ወገን ተጠቃሚ ሆነው ቆይተዋል፡፡ ይህ እንዴት ይፈታል ለሚለው መልሴ እነዚህን ሁለት ጉዳዮች እንደምንጋፈጥበት መንገድና አብይ በሚኖራቸው አቀራረብ የሚወሰን ነው የሚሆነው በማለትም አስረድተዋል ፡

      Original Source; Maverick of S Africa

      • Selam Hope,

        So, these are the reasons tplf apologists are deafening us with economic development day and night, that the ethiopian sky will fall down on ethiopian heads without tplf kleptocracy, mafia rule and oligarchy, and the end of economic development has come to ethiopia without tplf economic gurus (rather, corruption gurus).

        Those who want to worship tplf, let them do so till kingdom come. For ethiopians, it is a closed chapter and a new beginning is upon the country, and there is no looking back. What ethiopians should care about now is that history is not repeated. In a country with the culture of “ሲሾሙ ያልበሉ ሲሻሩ ይፀፅታል፣”, the newcomers are the main concern, and not tplf that belongs to history. “ከወደቁ መንፈራገጥ ለመመላለጥ፣”.

        Corruption is in the habesha gene, and complacency with the idea that new corrupt officials will not come to the ethiopian political scene again is a major mistake. There were people from other ethnic groups who “ያባታቸው ቤት ሲዘረፍ አብረው የዘረፉ ሞልተዋልና፣”.

  • Beyan

    Greetings,

    I usually try to sneak in on Saturdays, to shoot a breeze a la awate style. You know, listen to some interesting music that Awatawyan share. Particularly, Peace tends to be consistent in this regard. But, what I found instead is an interesting conversation ensuing below from two days back. Until I read it all from the beginning, here is to Peace for the one who embodying notions of zemen selam starting from his pen-name. But, of course, zemene selam does face some episodic disruptions of the personal kind that the following song kind of gives a chance for an Eritrean to say sorry, which is not a common refrain. In fact, in the American parlance, “love means never having to say you’re sorry” was popularized by an old movie, Love Story, I believe was the title. So, to those who loved and lost their love and to those who are lucky enough to maintain the passion of love for the longest: Here is to y’all:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5PVVgONj5g
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APMHp9sZyME
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-8_1uCzR8

    Good Saturday!
    BN

    • Peace!

      Ahlen Beyanom,

      Thank you for setting the mood for the good day. Jemal’s songs are most favorite songs at home and his videos are amazing. I am a big fan of Hagos Berhane:

      https://youtu.be/cBfXsP2x7fs

      Peace!

      • Beyan

        Hala Peace,

        I enjoy everything about Hagos Berhane, the guitar, the lyrics, the entire music arrangement is a joy to listen to. His brother, Sami Berhane, his guitar playing capacity notwithstanding, I kind of have mixed feelings about him. His lyrics tend to be a bit uncultured, rough to the ears even when he is singing about love song. i remember he had a song, I think it was titled ተጎሳጣይ ፍቕሪ. Of course, with such a title he had to use boxing metaphors to describe his feeling, such as Michael Tyson, etc.

        But here is one that jives with a Sunday morning mood.
        Enjoy!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubOuUB3GlU&index=2&list=PLWxOXKfemzzk30TpOT6gAoGvflvqkr7WB

        • Peace!

          Ahlen Beyanom,

          A song that never gets old. I like the original more- less piano more guitar (Mesfin Abebe, Amharic) style. It is incredible that given the age gap with my parents, we all enjoy listening to such song and enjoy a long drive without arguing 🙂

          Well, let me take you to Massawa for the rest of the day:’

          https://youtu.be/jsrQ0kmMNzs

          Peace!

          • Beyan

            Selam Peace,

            I come on weekends to awate to sift through the music scene that awatawyan are listening to, but invariably I end up staying for much more as I sift through the readings I find more than what I bargained for. Consequently, I stay longer than I originally planned, for I do end up responding to some of the commentators.

            At any rate, back to one of the most memorable songs of Osman that you shared is something I associate with a trip I took with my parents to Massawa when I was barely six or seven years of age, which I will save for some other day to tell. Suffice it to say, it was vividly scary and remains etched in my memory. On the good side of it, the hot weather was so unbearable I recall taking endless showers overnight under may-bumba of the place where we were staying. Sleeping on the rooftop with the stars, seemingly hovering close to my eyes, seemingly protecting me from an evil eye, it was a phenomenal experience. Didn’t I say to save it for some other day. I gotta get going here. Have a wonderful rest of Sunday, bro.

            Cheers,
            Beyan

          • saay7

            Peace!

            This was always a bittersweet love song, one of the greatest. I knew a girl who sang it incessantly but now she is a wahabist and she is not allowed to hear songs.

            Coka Cola used to have a tag line for its product called “everything is better with coke”. PFDJs is “everything is worse with PFDJ.” Watching the video you linked, you realize that as long as it is in power (a) the singer (Osman) can never go back to the country or the city he sang about and (b) the owners of the buildings can never come back. They backed the wrong front.

            But you can see clueless Ethiopians on the beach getting all teary-eyed about peace.

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sal & Awatistas,

            On another note:

            ‘ዞም ንጀኒቫ ጉዕዞ ዝነቐልኩም
            ድልየት ህዝቢ ከተስምዑ ዝተለዓልኩም
            ድምጽን መቓልሕን ክትኮኑ ዝመደብኩም
            ካብ መዓሙቕ ልበይ ትምኒተይ ክገልጸልኩም
            መገዲ ሰላምን ፍስሃን ብርሃንን ይምነየልኩም
            ኣብ ሕጂ በጺሕካ ምኽሪ ኣየድልይኩም!
            ሓደራ እውን ካይበዝሓኩም
            ግና ዘየጣዕስ ሓደ ክልተ ክብለኩም
            ነገር ንጸግዎ ምስ ዘይተሰማማዓኩም
            ከም እትዛረቡ ዘክሩ ንዕኡ’ውን ወኪልኩም
            ዝፈላልየና ጽን ኢልካ ዘይምስማዕ ምዃኑ ዘኪርኩም

            በሉ በሉ በሉ
            ኣነስ ምሳኹም እንተዝህሉ
            ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ምስ ወሰኽኩሉ
            ጽምኣት ኣዒንተይ ዘርውየሉ
            ቤተ መዘክር MEG ቅልቅል ዝብለሉ
            ባህሊ እምነት ኣህጉረይ ዝድህስሰሉ
            http://www.ville-ge.ch/meg/expo28.php

          • David Samson

            Selam Haile,
            The link is broken. I was hoping the link would take me to the new song about Geneva just released . I do not know the singer name, but have listened it on Radio Erena all day today.

          • Haile S.

            Selam David,
            The link is to MEG (Musée d’ethnographie de Genève) or Geneva Ethnographic Museum, not to a song.

          • saay7

            David:

            When you find that, please also find the name of the artist who sings the haunting song in the new documentary about Eritrean refugees in Sudan called “The Forgotten.” The one produced by Sabrina Aman. There is also another documentary produced by Zebiba Shekhia about the same subject, which is also called “The Forgotten.” The reason both are called “The forgotten” is because the damn UNHCR, which has only one job, calls them “the forgotten.” More like the ignored. Hundreds of thousands in miserable refugee camps 27 years after Eritrea’s independence.

            Where was I? Yeah, the song please. It plays at the end of the Sabrina Aman documentary. The credits rolled by too fast before I could make out the name.

            Your application for knighthood has been received. Our only knight, Sir Amde, has veto power. So I would play nice with him.

            saay

          • David Samson

            Selam SAAY,

            Moderators: “please do not remove these links. I know it is not a weekend. However, exceptional circumstances demand exceptions.”

            Will do.

            In the meantime, I found the duo singers, but not the actual clip. One of the duos is ምሕረትኣብ ሚካኤል. The song on the clip starts at 1:05

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8OdR7sAJD4

            Amanuel Assenna has released a poem for the occasion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBtkI36b9o

            PS: If Sir Amde blocks my nomination for knighthood, I will play hard ball with him. I have cards up my sleeve:
            He was a commy.
            He is not a British subject.

          • Amde

            Saay and David,

            Now then on the knighting thing.

            My knighthood was surreptitiously bestowed on me by His Eminence Amanuel Hidrat. Thus by tradition, his eminence has final say so..

            But, in light of the requirements of morbid curiosity, I move that the future Sir Dave reveal what he has hidden in his otherwise most agreeable of sleeves. Commiehood – whether “ex-“, “post-“, “putative- “or “so-called-” – is not a barrier to knighthood (see Sir Charlie Chaplin – noted Commie).

            Amde

          • saay7

            Sir Amde:

            I don’t know the criteria used by Emma and SGJ but mine was a simple is: is he a potential “Knight who say Ni!” And can he be appeased by shrubbery? Once I confirmed that you would get the reference, I said we have here a Knight who is unmoved by a queen. (you were indifferent to the crowning of Hayat as queen when all the Ethio awatistas were on their knees simply because she trashed our revolution.)

            Ni!

            Sir-wanna-be-lot David has to slay his Goliath (undefined) to be knighted. His nomination is so far unimpressive as it was done by Eyob, who is not a member in good standing at awate. Plus he is always wrong about everything.

            saay

          • Amde

            Ah The Saay who says Ni!!

            It depends if his shrubbery is brought to him by an African swallow or a European swallow.

            It sounds like Sir-In-Waiting-Dave was just delivered a “shaallaangggee!”

            Ni!!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I am wrong about everything? You couldn’t even get a right theme song, when asked… tsk tsk tsk…

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You are always wrong but you have a chance to redeem yourself. Andargachew, the big El Jefe of Ginbot-7, the man the PFDJistas consider Ethiopia’s Nelson Mandela, was interviewed about Eritrea and he said:

            (a) At this time, we do think it is neither helpful nor prudent to talk about hypotheticals of whether Eritrea should have been part of Ethiopia. What matters is we have a new beginning and we should focus on peace and joint development;
            (b) If Weyane had not rushed the referendum, if it had been delayed by a year and the relationship had been normalized, given the ties between Eritrean and Ethiopian people, we don’t believe the results would have been 99% in favor of independence.
            (c) We are going to fight for Eritrea and Ethiopia reunification peacefully and for Ethiopia’s rightful claim to the Sea.

            Get your Pencil # 2 ready and choose 1 and only 1 answer.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            What’s the question?

          • Nowinc

            Eyob,
            I think you are supposed to pick a, b, or c:-)

          • saay7

            Nowinc:

            You noticed he didn’t:) The correct answer is:

            “ረፈረንድም ወያኔ ባስቸኳይ እንዲካሄድ ባያደርግ ኖሮ ባንድ ኣመት ውስጥ ያምስት ኣመት ጋፕ ኣግኝቶ ቢሆን ኖሮ ናርማላይዝ በሆነ ሁኔታ ተፈጥሮ ቢሆን ኖሮ የኤርትራ ህዝብ ከኢትዬጵያ ካለው ኣጠቃላይ ትስስር እንዲሁ በቀላሉ 99 (?) የሚሆን ህዝብ ነጻነት ብሎ የሚመርጥበትን ሁኔታ ይኖር ነበር የሚል እምነት የለንም:

            Andargachew has a version of Eritrean history that goes like this: Eritreans were for Ethiopia, they fought for Ethiopia, they raised “Ethiopia or death” banners, it is only (a) Haile Selasse’s stubborness in dissolving the federation that got them to turn against Ethiopia; (b) it is only Weyane rushing the referendum and denying EPLF opportunity to be part of the transitional government of Ethiopia that resulted in 99% vote for independence.

            In this narrative:

            * The half of Eritrea that never even wanted the referendum but wanted independence from day one doesn’t exist
            * The EPLF wanted to delay the referendum; it is only TPLF rushing them that it ended up happening in 1993
            * The EPLF wanted to be part of Ethiopia transitional government; but it was only because TPLF pushed them out that they opted for independence.

            Andargachew is explaining his Ethiopian perspective. Isaias has made it clear where his heart lies. At this time, I really want Aboy Sebhat to explain what he meant by “We in TPLF stood for Eritrean independence more than the EPLF did.” A ludicrous notion when I first heard it but now? I sure want to hear more, since the secrets keep crawling out slowly (Mesfin Hagos interview, Ambassador Abdella Adem interview….)

            A lot of the PFDJ supporters who still support the leadership of Isaias Afwerki are betting that all this Ethiopianiazation of Eritrea (“miniature Ethiopia” as Andargachew said) is part of masterful move by Isaias Afwerki…. I am not so sure. In fact, I believe Isaias goals are not shared by Eriterans and he is doing it stealthily and when people wake up it will be too late.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Interesting!! But why is this concern, which you masterfully articulated not voiced by Eritreans, especially in the opposition? What I hear in the opposition is debate and shouting match over trivial matters with a pinch of xenophobia (with significant number of them) rather than making the point you made forcefully. They reminded me of oppositions of my side of mereb a lot, honestly.

            My other point I want to ask you about is you said “50% of Eritreans narrative” Are you telling me that many Eritreans have a different narrative of Eritrea than the other 50%? That’s a LOT. If that is the case, you may need another referendum to settle the issue of being a sovereign nation. If you believe half of your population has at least some doubt about it. I will take my answer off the air… 🙂

          • saay7

            Selamat Eyob:

            You got the 50% narrative wrong:) I was referencing 1940s history: 50% of Eritreans were for independence, 50% of Eritreans were for union with Ethiopia. The Andargachew narration of Eritrean history doesn’t take into account those who wanted independence in the 1940s. He starts with those who wanted unity (they fought more for Ethiopia than Tigrayans did, he finds a way to explain), they waived “Ethiopia or Death” banners…culturally, even our appearance is the same, etc, etc. It’s as if those who called for independence in the 1940s (50% of Eritreans) and those who called for it in the years preceding 1991 (99% of Eritreans) were just people who were mismanaged by Haile Selasse (by dissolving the federation) and Weyane (by prematurely pushing for referendum) respectively.

            It’s all more of the same “one people, two countries” narrative endorsed by Isaias Afwerki.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,
            You understand how many countless times we debated this thing for the last 6 years (which I won the whole time) ?

            For the record, Andargachew said that Eritrea is as diverse as Ethiopia. Even the fact their diversity is similar to ours. (I know you derided that as him saying Eritrea is miniature Ethiopia. But, in truth, that’s not what he was saying. I hate, hate, hate you dragged me to this debate again. But what is the second largest language in Eritrea that is spoken not as a second language, but as NATIVE tongue? Not Arabic, but Tigrayit. This semetic language has dead on similarity with Ethiopian languages, even more to Ethiopian Orthodox church for its similarity to Ge’ez. That would make, actually way more than 50% of Eritreans similar to Ethiopians. Add to that the bilen, whose three branch of their cousins sit in Ethiopian highlands Agaw, Seqota & Wag-Himra. Wouldn’t that fact make them solidly similar to us? Add Kunama, Afar, Saho (we fancily call them the Irob people) So, out of your 9 ethnic groups we share at least 6 of them. Wouldn’t that be a strong foundation to say 2 countries 1 people?

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Sigh. By that logic, Somalia is perfect minature of Ethiopia because 100% of Somalians speak Somali which is a language spoken in Ethiopia.

            The distinctness of Eritrea from Ethiopia as a polity was debated AND settled. Those who want to reopen that debate use the same arguments: they take a segment of Eritrea as representative of Eritrea and marginalize the rest. The “Ethiopia wey mot” slogan was raised for a brief period of time (1940s) and then Eritreans spent many decades (50s to 1991) correcting that mistake and paying a heavy price for it.

            I love how Ethiopians and Ethiopians refuse to accept the fact that the results of the 1993 referendum accurately reflected the will of the people and they continue to invent scenarios which would have yielded a different result. And the scenarios they invent are never before heard in other plebiscites and referendums. For years it was: Ethiopians should also have had a say on the referendum. Now, it is “if only it had been delayed by 5 years the results would have been different.” Just let it go and move on.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob
            Agaw is the name of the tribe(ethnic)
            Seqote is the capital city of wag himra(zone name) .

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hi Tedros,

            You are right. However, according to Agaw tradition, it has 4 braches. Here they are. (I felt that there is a need to list them by where they live to show Sal their connection to Eritrea) Among the four branches of Agaw people one (the Bilen people) live in Keren, Eritrea. I hope you got my point.

            The Northern Agaw are known as Bilen, capital Keren
            The Western Agaw are known as Qemant, capital TekelDengay
            The Eastern Agaw are known as Xamta, capital Soqota
            The Southern Agaw are known as Awi, capital Injibara

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaw_people

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob
            The easter agaw known as wag himra.

          • Nowinc

            SAAY,
            You are missing the big picture. AT is arguing as forcefully as he can that Eritrea’s struggle for independence had just cause. Given that he is arguing from an Ethiopian perspective, his elaboration not only makes sense but has exceeded my expectation.
            I think you are holding him to an Eritrean perspective standard. Not fair.

          • saay7

            Selamat NowInc:

            IF it is an Ethiopian perspective, it is a bad one because it continues to define Eritrea as one populated by the trans-Mereb people with the rest as peripheral and irrelevant. The peripheral and irrelevant people don’t make it to his story of Eritreans: who neither fought for Ethiopia against colonialism, nor raised “Ethiopia wey mot” banners, nor would have a percentage of difference in referendum results whether it was held one year, 3 years, or 5 years after independence.

            saay

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Is that how you spell “I don’t know” these days? I gave you a multiple choice question. Pick one. Or just say “I don’t know”

            Saay

        • saay7

          Selam Beyan:

          One of my favorite of Sami Berhane songs is, by far, Sgrbetna.

          You mean one of your favorite Same Berhane cover songs. The original is by Osman Abderehim, but good luck finding it in Youtube 🙂

          Whatever his shortcomings, Sami makes it all up with his lyrics (and his guitar) in “weynaye weynai” singing about ሓንቲ መኽመስመሲት:

          መሸከላ ስሩዕ
          ከም ሻምብቆ ለይለይ
          ክትፍተል ትኾር ድድ::
          ካብ ኩለን ትል ለ!
          ውንጅርጅር ውንርጅር ትብል
          ኣየ ክትለሀ!

          ቁጽይጽይ ተበለት
          መጺኣ ኣብቲ ቅድመይ
          ሽዑ ዝኮንኩዎ?
          ሽዑ ዝኮንኩዎ?
          ሽዑ ዝኮንኩዎ!
          ኣነስ እንድዕለይ!

          Btw, has anybody noticed that you can’t find any of Abraham Afwerki’s songs on youtube anymore? I know the estate of the artist is very protective about his copyright (as they should) but I was craving his “Aseye, Ereye” this morning, first thing (you can run 10 miles on it in a loop) but nooooo.

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Need a favor…a guy that assena radio uses as a theme song to open its program…What is the song called, who is the singer and where can I find it…and are Ethiopians like me allowed to hear it? 🙂

          • David Samson

            Selam Eyob,
            The chap who is right now in Mekele. Just type on YouTube, Kahsay Berhe songs and the song is called ‘Assey’

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I never give anything for free, so it’s going to cost you. So in the looooooooooong interview, your PM was asked about Ethiopia’s boundaries and he said (by way of negating internal provincial boundaries): “we have one with Sudan, Somalia and Djibouti.”

            Country with longest boundary is missing. Oversight or really ተደምረናል?

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            I noticed that too but what about s sudan. U think he includes it with just sudan?

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            Arabic was proposed for East Oromio in ADDITION to Oromigna and Amharic. He was saying that there is no reason why an area should have only one official language; multi-languages are fine. Then he used the example of Eritrea which has two “bherawi” languages, he said. Of course we don’t. We have two “working” languages. Making them “bherawi” has been what the hgdefites and many in the opposition have said, “hell, no!” to. It has even less chance in Arab-phobic Ethiopia.

            Warning: I refuse to discuss this issue; definitely not on Sunday. I was only giving the context. So Abi, Eyob, Horizon, send your angry letters to Abiye, not me.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            1, Arabic is not just very important to east oromia.
            2, Arabic is Semitic language
            3, i know for sure they have this discussion before .
            4, eprdf believe ethiopia is part of middle east(arab) and africa.
            5, Arabic used to be ethiopia 2nd language and there r a lot of written evidence there.
            6, the future of ethiopia is more of integration with Arabic speaking countries.
            7, listen carefully when 3A use eritrea example.
            8, they already started Arabic teaching in some university of ethiopia.
            9, only weirdos don’t accept it but the majority prefer Arabic morethan any other languages.
            10, give them 3- 4 years and mark my words.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            It’s oversight and also could be caution. Remember? Our border with Eritrea is not demarcated, yet and is still an outstanding issue. So..he probably didn’t want to poke the beehive and have the all the vees sting him… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Hmmmm. Ok. So the creator of the song Assenna.com uses is God. You are referring to the thunder and lightening, right?

            The “Aseye” is by Kahsay Berhe.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No…..I am talking about the theme song… ነቂሉ ጎበዝ ነቂሉ….ሀፋሽ ነቂሉ…

            Come on, man…somebody has to know who sings that song…

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            “Aseye” is by Kahsay Berhe.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,..

            I don’t think we’re talking about the same song…is it the one that says

            ወገን ተአከብ ተሰብሰብ?

          • David Samson

            Selam Eyob,
            I will spare from SAAY’s wrath.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLe_8lWKh3g

          • Eyob Medhane

            David,

            You know what, you are a scholar and a gentleman and you should be knighted immediately. Thank you..

          • David Samson

            Selam Eyob,

            Thanks for vote of confidence!
            Got to wait until January for being Sir David, though.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            Did the PM read your complain of not having press conference with journalists.

            I don’t know if that what he had but that’s what I thought based on the title.

            But it’s 4 hrs so I stopped the video.

            If that’s what it is, may be he wants to make up for it.

            But 4 hrs…

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selam Berhe:

            It’s a press conference.

            You have to watch it like u watch any trilogy: in parts. Eyob says he is not to blame: too many reporters each with 3-4 questions. I think it’s because just like some of us can’t write short articles, he can’t speak in sound bites. Everything is an opportunity to educate. Most of his answers are convincing including information on the Millenium Dam

            But he is hard to take (like Obama): wears on you after 20 minutes.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            There is this guy on Facebook goes by name of President Mamie. He claims PMAAA is his nephew and they look the same age. He is from the same village he grew up. If you pay attention, there a lot of resemblance when he speaks.

            He repeats the same thing at least 10 times, before he goes to the next point. And he goes in for an hour at least in his live channel.

            I think it’s in the family:).

            Berhe

          • ghezaehagos

            Sal,

            Sami Berhane, later known to copy and plagiarize the lyrics of Beyene Hailemariam.

            The only poem Sami didn’t alter at all is Weynay, Weynay.

            G.

          • saay7

            Selam Ghezae:

            Well, we talked about how “plagiarism” does not appear to have the same taboo in the East as it does in the West. I have begun to sorta shrug it these days.

            More offensive to me is when people change, alter the lyrics. In this cover of Abraham Afwerkis song, can you tell me which critical verse is missing? It’s in the “derb” section. Can’t share the original because the estate of Abraham Afwerki has pulled it all off YouTube. Leaving us to pale imitations like this:

            https://youtu.be/fuJlKyLRZOY

            saay

  • AMAN

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  • ‘Gheteb

    Another Manifesto, Another Empty ‘Fissto’, er, Empty Barrel

    Greetings!!

    The ubiquity of the term ‘manifesto’ in the Eritrean political colloquy is mind-bending, to say the least. During the Marxism-Leninism’s heydays, the Eritrean mind was buffeted by the incessant talking about “The Communist Party Manifesto”. In the mid-seventies, the detestable Weyanes came up with their “Greater Tigray Manifesto”, which one hears about even in these days. Then in the early 2000s, Eritreans were introduced to yet another manifesto dubbed as “The Berlin Manifesto”.

    There might,also, have been other manifestos addressing Eritreans either authored individually or by some self-important gaggle of Eritreans. It escapes my memories, but I think the Ethiopian Derg also had some sort of a manifesto.

    Now here comes the most recent iteration of a manifesto monickered as “The Denver Manifesto” whose main PROPOUNDERS seem to be three Eritrean intellectuals, Dr. Gebre, Dr. Salah and Mr. Sengal who have gone onto Paltalk to explain, er, sell the recently minted Denver Manifesto. I won’t belabor the contents of the manifesto as I firmly believe that there is nothing earth-shatteringly novel and new in the document. It is the usual lamentations and regurgitation that has deafened many a Eritrean ear. But, what I didn’t find in the content of the manifesto, I was bemused and didn’t fail to discern the posturing and grandstanding of the propounders and promoters of this document.

    1.- Sibling Rivalry Or Channeling An Older Brother?

    Sengal, the younger brother of Haile DuruE, just like his brother is eloquent and silver-tongued at once. Listening to Sengal conjures up the images of DuruE delivering a peroration in ones mental image. However, the similarities between the two brothers ends right there. Sengal is in unenviable position of selling a content-less and quite stale and trite document to Eritreans who are demonstrably WEARY of all the unceasing calls that are made through these manifestos.

    2.- What Is In A Name? Dr. Salah or Dr. Saleh?

    Astoundingly, from the colleagues of Dr. Salah, the propounders of the Denver Manifsto to those who were administering the Paltalk, they have unfailingly addressed Dr. Salah as Dr. Saleh. Some may think that I am quibbling here, but I am not. The question that has persistently kept popping up my head was: If these folks who are posturing to know the Eritrean people and what is good for them, how come they failed to know the very name of the person that they are saying to be the co-author of the manifesto? Yeah, if you don’t even know the name of the person who is sitting next to you, how do you claim to know what is good and in the best interest of Eritreans?

    3.- Re-Imagining Awate And September 1st: Not In Barka, But In Geneva

    Literally, turning on a dime, the anti-PFDJ camp has adopted a stand that defends Eritrea’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. Such shibboleth are expected to adorn the upcoming Geneva demonstration. Of course, the organizers of this demonstration are either hoping that the Eritrean populace is afflicted with some incurable amnesia or their very own memories are seriously compromised.

    For the past two decades, the Eritrean opposition groupings have uttered nary a peep about Eritrea’s independence or its sovereignty. They were mum when the loathsome weaynes attempted their nefarious Eritrean agendas of upending the Eritrean body politic and rendering asunder Eritrea’s unity. As a matter of fact, they were comfortably in bed with the architects of anti-Eritreanism. Now, they are attempting to pull the wool over the Eritrean eyes.

    4.- Pan-Eritrean. What Pan-Eritrean?

    The superfluity of the term “pan-Eritrean” is quite evident to those whose Eritrean psychological make-up is not CLUTTERED with some virulent forms of other sentiments. The very term “Eritrean” connotes the Eritrean whole in its totality and inclusivity. Those who are employing the term “pan-Eritrean” are, wittingly or unwittingly, admitting that:

    a) Their anti-PFDJ political activities are nothing short of being fissiparous and thus the need of terms such as “pan-Eritrean” to gussy them as if they have a nationalist agendas.

    b) The anti-PFDJ groups are nothing more than a DISPARATE congeries whose centrifugal political activities is calling for terminologies such as pan-Eritrean to make them look as if they have a national outlook.

    c) It is a feeble attempt of repristinateing the images of “power clans” and “advocates of fiefdoms” by deploying terms such as pan-Eritrean.

    5.- Amanuel Eyassu Of Assena Wants To Be The Next Prime Minister Of Eritrea

    Many thought that Amanuel’s beef with the PFDJ was that he was bypassed for Ali Abdu for the ministerial protfolio of the minister of information and that he would settle for that position once the PFDJ is gone from power. If one goes by his fever pitch activities these days, one can’t help but conclude that Assenna’s Ammnuel Eyassu is shooting for the priemership in post-PFDJ Eritrea. He may face some stiff competition from Elsa Chirum who has gone tweeting in Amharic these days in an effort of currying favors from the new power brokers in Ethiopia now that her former patrons, the Weyanes, are on their deathbed.

    • saay7

      Hello Cuz Gheteb:

      And now, for one of my duties/hobbies fact-checking Cuz Gheteb using plain English:

      1. manifestos: as you yourself made it abundantly clear, it’s those who want to dismiss or publicize a document, and never the authors of the documents, who call them manifestos. The communist manifesto was called the communist manifesto and it changed the world. All others references to subsequent documents are called that by critics to mock the ambitions of the authors. The Berlin Manifesto was never called that by its authors; nor, I doubt, the Greater Tigray and certainly not the Denver and Atlanta papers. In any event 3 documents named manifesto in 4 decades is hardly excessive. The PFDJ meanwhile uses the word “destructive” in any brainwashing manual it writes.

      2. It’s Dr Salahadin Nur. Salah for short. His dad, Ustaz Nut, was most probably your teacher in Keren. So he is a three dimension carbon-based organism expressing himself using his own name unlike most in the Isaiasist camp. In any event you are quibbling about nothing here: it would be like me saying is Isaias fathers name Afwerki or Afewerk?

      3. September 1 is always celebrated by Eritrean opposition. I think google is not your friend here. People can google September 1 Eritrea celebration and you will find a lot of opposition related material. Meanwhile, September 1 in PFDJ literature is 1 short paragraph grudgingly accepting a bitter fact (that patriotism was not invented by EPLF/PFDJ) and then 3 paragraphs of PFDJ praising itself for correcting the course of the revolution.

      4. Pan Eritrean is greater than the PFDJ version of “Eritreanism.” That version accepts having 500,000 Eritreans exiled and in refugee camps as normal; Massawa natives exiled as normal; Afar fishermen unable to fish in their own seas as normal; dismissing big slices of Eritrea as fifth columnists and Weyane and Jihadists as normal; a state of war with all neighbors as normal; governing without constitution as normal; indefinite conscription as normal; uniformity of thought and Pan Eritreanism is the antithesis to PFDJ Eritreanism.

      5. Classic 03: just throw mud and see if it sticks.

      saay

      • Beyan

        Dear Sal Y.,

        All I can say is may you live long enough to see a daylight in Eritrea. When someone chooses to frivolously discuss spellings and pronunciations and counts who is whose siblings, you know there is no substantive issues he wishes to discuss. But, thanks goes to you, my friend for becoming the chief watchdog to put Gheteb on notice that there is a fact checker in town who would call him on it. Otherwise, the lazy bunches like me would’ve left him to his own device to do some verbal jousting with no end in site. You never cease to amaze in how relentlessly you are fighting those who wish to serve as detractors. I see you on FB. You do it on twitter – A one-man army mowing them all down with facts, reasoning, and an endless patience as you explain away your reasoning with such grace yet biting remarks and rejoinders. kemakhas ayssa’anu ezi Hawway.

        Cheers,
        Beyan

        • Peace!

          Ahlen Beyanom,

          Well said: “You never cease to amaze in how relentlessly you are fighting those who wish to serve as detractors. I see you on FB. You do it on twitter – A one-man army mowing them all down with facts, reasoning, and an endless patience as you explain away your reasoning with such grace yet biting remarks and rejoinders. kemakhas ayssa’anu ezi Hawway.”

          We take him for granted and some of us are even too spoiled to take the challenges at hand seriously…thank you for pointing that out!

          Saay: keep on teaching!
          People keep on learnin’
          Soldiers keep on warrin’
          World keep on turnin’
          ‘Cause it won’t be too long

          https://youtu.be/4wZ3ZG_Wams

          Peace!

          • Beyan

            MerHaba Haw Peace,

            It never dawned on me until listening to the lyrics now, the content so aptly describes for us to stay the course. You know, it must be one of those songs that I listened to when lyrics had no meanings to me because my language capacity was not up-to par; that’s when I listened to English songs for their beat, by default, disregarding its lyrical meanings. There are a number of songs that I enjoyed songs for their beats, perhaps, it is time I revisit some of those songs to really understand what messages they were conveying when I heard them first.

            Many thanks, brother.
            Beyan

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Haw Beyan,

          Saay is something else! Even going back to dehai till now (literally his last comment) he has maintained exact same sharp, incisive, vigorous mind that moves with near perfect equipoise. When IA’s regime is gone, we can be sure we’ll need a different type of diplomacy to get out of the deep hole the regime has dug us into. Hopefully, saay would be leading Eritrea’s high level delegation to straighten things out.

          • Paulos

            HaileTG,

            Wish all the articles in Dehai and elsewhere were in Tigrinya instead for obvious reasons.

          • Beyan

            MerHabatat to you as well Haw HaileTG,

            Amen to that Brother, Amen and a million Amen! kemakha, kem Paulos, and many other relentless fighters for justice yebziHun yisessnuun. There will come a time when all this will be behind us and Eritrea and its people will need people who can see beyond our little squabbles and work to make it a nation-state that others would envy. Eritrea’s human capital has never been tapped to the extent it deserves, when it does, it can really be an envy of Africa. This, too, shall pass, my brother, yes it will.

            Cheers,
            Beyan

      • ‘Gheteb

        Cuz SAAY:

        You INDITED that:

        ” it’s those who want to dismiss or publicize a document, and never the authors of the documents, who call them manifestos”.

        ” All others references to subsequent documents are called that by critics to mock the ambitions of the authors”.

        “… and certainly not the Denver and Atlanta papers”.

        Well, then, if that is the case, RIDDLE me this:

        https://youtu.be/N0sApjtGXvk

        Anent Dr. Salah, the issue wan not about his background or whether he is using his real name or whether he is a real human being. You have attempted to tangentially obfuscate the issue at hand. If you are saying Saleh is the same as Salah, then a = e, and then we can safely declare that Planet ILLOGIC is illogical no more and logic is no longer exiguous in that very planet.

        You love to invoke 03 in your attempt of taking away the validity of certain claims. I don’t think those in 03 are that much bothered by political Lilliputians such as Amanuel Eyassu. The observation about his hankering to be the next prime minister of Eritrea is mine and mine alone. Heavens, haven’t you seen his picture juxtaposed with that of PMAA and Foreign Minsiter Osman Saleh — I didn’t say Osman Salah — in one of Assenna’s news Youtube, Mr. Fact Checker?

        Your Eritrean opposition groups celebrate, though perfunctorily, September 1 alright, but the point wan NOT about celebration. The whole issue about the re-imagination of Awate and September 1 is that the Geneva demo is going to be the launching pad for the commencement of some serious struggle against the PFDJ as the September 1 of 1961 as led by Awate against the Ethiopian occupation of Eritrea.

        The Eritrean opposition groups are well know for their role in celebrations of anniversaries. Who could forget when Abay Woldu of Tigray told his audience that his TPLF had burned the ELF like a charcoal in the presence of the ELF representatives in that very meeting. For all of that, you guys ended up congratulating the Weyanes on their anniversary.

        • saay7

          Cuz Gheteb:

          I indited? What’s that?

          I said it’s those who who want to mock it, and those who want to promote it that use the word “manifesto”; never those who actually write the document. You used it to mock it, and these guys used it to promote. So thanks for confirming.

          You obsession with a and e continues to boggle the mind. Here’s one more to add to your funhouse: some people write it Salih. So add i to the a and the e and you will be will be ready to sing “Old McDonald Had A Farm.”

          No comment on the rest; we have both made our points. You continue to present PFDJ as the guardian of Eritrean patriotism, sovereignty, territorial integrity and the opposition as unpatriotic and sell outs. The song continues to have less and less resonance as your party chairman ignores Eritrea’s sovereignty territorial integrity and delegates his job to a foreign power and tell us we are one people with the peoples of another nation.

          saay

        • Shum

          Hello Gheteb,

          I often read the conversations between you and Saay on Awate. I wish we could see topical video exchanges between you and Saay or Elias Amare and Saay to be honest. I would like to call your attention to this comment from Saay if you don’t mind:

          “PFDJ version of Eritreanism accepts converting a citizen to a subject of King Isaias: no rights, just duties and taxes. It accepts Eritreans (including elderly and underage) imprisoned without a day in court as normal; It accepts having 500,000 Eritreans, including unaccompanied minors, exiled and in refugee camps as normal; Massawa natives exiled never to return as normal; Afar fishermen unable to fish in their own seas as normal; dismissing big slices of Eritrea as fifth columnists and Weyane and Jihadists as normal; businesses confiscated or shut down as normal; blaming everybody else except the government as normal; a state of war with all neighbors as normal; governing without constitution as normal; citizens requiring permits to move within their own country as normal; indefinite conscription for a generation of our youth as normal; uniformity of thought and obedience as normal; a church without a patriarch as normal; a people watching the TV of a neighboring country to find out what’s going on inside their country as normal…..”

          Having reviewed this list, I find it to be true and compelling. I am curious to know your observations on this and if you find this list to have any merit at all or not.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Greetings Shum,

            It has literally been eons since I read you in this Forum. Where and how have you been? Good to read you again, Shum!

            My cousin, Saleh, NOT Salah or Salih, is so incurably inured and accustomed to mouthing pronouncements that are out and out hyperbolic and through and through exaggeration when it comes to the PFDJ. I think that is why I often overlook his anti-PFDJ lamentations and what I dub as a mixed-bag embroideries.

            Look here, SAAY is saying that:

            “PFDJ version of Eritreanism accepts converting a citizen to a subject of King Isaias: no rights, just duties and taxes”.

            “NO RIGHTS”, “SUBJECTS” “KING ISAIAS”.

            Eritreans have no rights? I mean no rights to go to school, to access health care, to elect their local leaders, to own business etc. etc. Yeah, SAAY and birds of feather would have us believe that Isaias is a king who lives in a two bed room house and Eritreans are mere subjects. Why? Because Eritreans are conscious and aware enough to realize the objective realities in Eritrea and that Eritrea is far removed from being a Jeffersonian democracy and is literally still in a state of exception or state of emergency that has yet to come out of the war footings.

            What Eritreans have grudgingly came to terms with because of the prevailing conditions in Eritrea, SAAY and his ilks, take exceptions and unremittingly harangue us that it is so, so NORMAL for the PFDJ to go on an arrest spree of the elderly and the underage just because it so NORMAL to do so and for no apparent reason.

            Oh, Eritrea is at war with all of its neighbors and it is the DESTABLIZING nation in the Horn region. Eritrea has the WORST government in the world. Its leader is indicted for crimes against humanity by, um, ummmm, uh, oh, the UN.

            That is not the end to SAAY’s JEREMIADS against the PFDJ. He will tell you that Eritrea was sanctioned not because of other reasons and considerations, but because of the failures of Isaias and PFDJ. Djibouti is right and Eritrea under the PFDJ is always on the wrong side of the narrative.

            Man, the broadside that SAAY et al INDITE against the PFDJ has become so commonplace that the next thing SAAY may do is blaming the PFDJ for global warming. He is even against the Ethio-Eritrean peace deal that he calls as a peace without a peace dividend. Not that there is no peace dividend, but because since the PFDJ agreed to a peace deal with Ethiopia, reflexively, SAAY et al has to oppose anything and everything that the PFDJ supports and support whatever the PFDJ opposes.

            In a rare moments SAAY would tell you how hard it is to govern a multi-ethnic societies such as developing countries. Not so when it comes to Eritrea. What SAAY spouts about Eritrea comes perilously close to what one hears about a Jeffersonian democracy and what one reads from some of the conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation or The Cato Institute.

          • Shum

            Hello Gheteb,

            Thank you for the prompt reply and I apologize I could not reciprocate in kind. There are many worthy postings here so thank you for taking the time to consider mine. I want to address the hyperbole part. It’s obvious Isaias is not a king. And yes, Eritreans have the right to go to school, start businesses, etc. But people who live in kingdoms like Abyssinia were and are also able to go to school and start business. That’s not the point being made and perhaps the hyperbole gets in the way here. But I think the hyperbole also helps to give the reader an understanding of the gravity of conditions in our country as it relates to the state/citizen relationship. I would not call it alarmist.

            No one is expecting a Jeffersonian Democracy here. As you implied, SAAY understands the country very well; I think you do too. Like you and I, he has ties and family there that run deep. We’re not talking about a country our great great grandparents left here. We all care deeply about it. I just think you are giving PFDJ too much leeway. Arresting people who incite violence, instability and subversive acts during this period is understandable. But arresting children and elderly, that should shake the very core of anyone. I don’t care who you are. Look, there are always people who are going to be opposed to PFDJ. That is their right. What I am disappointed in are the people who say they support the PFDJ. I can’t recall who, but someone made a simple point that I found profound. He said that he wished there were PFDJ supporters. Support doesn’t just mean going along with whatever someone does or says. It means calling them out and reminding them whey they do wrong and encouraging a course correction. You do that because you want to the organization to succeed and flourish. That takes strength. That takes courage. It’s one thing to hear it from the opposition. I just wanted to hear it from PFDJ supporters. Not just hear it, but for them to tell PFDJ that this is not the way to do things at the very least. Not only do they arrest people, but they don’t even let you visit your family in prison. I mean so many of acts of cruelty for no reason. You have people visiting Eritrea and getting arrested/detained because someone who didn’t like them bad-mouthed them to the authorities over there.

            As far as the international issues go, this is not an easy neighborhood to be in. It takes two to tango. So whether Djibouti initiated it or Eritrea did, you and I are not clear on it. But the Eri government doesn’t take the time to explain any of it to us. In fact, they denied anything was happening in the first place. Our embassies have not been setup to nurture the right relationships and gain influence. It seems they spend most of their time with the local Eritrean population to extend their influence. But our communities are so divided. That’s not all PFDJ’s fault. But they own a large portion of it. I hate the divisions in our communities. I grew up in this country. We have separate churches, separate community centers and celebrations in communities across this country. People I grew up with and elders that knew me as a child who were close friends are separated over this. I see you and Saay argue and sometimes I feel like a child of divorced parents who just wants it to stop. But I know this is necessary.

            We have had unprecedented levels of people leaving the country. The Kunama will tell you they have been through many episodes in their long history; they have never left their homeland like they have now. This is a region that was a target of numerous raids by warlords and kings. Let’s be honest. Our people weren’t running away from Woyane. They were running away from a government that didn’t respect them and didn’t provide a vision for the future.
            And yes it does treat them like subjects. Our people’s lack of ability to express themselves is abnormal. All I’ve heard from PFDJ in the past 20 years is that this is because of Woyane, USA, UN, Djibouti, EU, CIA, African Union, etc. It just makes them look weak. If they are so strong on sovereignty, how is they have the least responsibility of our problems. The buck doesn’t stop with them.
            They’re saying that all of these countries and organizations have more influence on the daily life of Eritreans than they do. A government should own the issues and work to resolve it, not provide a daily litany of grievances.

            I hope this peace process between Ethiopia and Eritrea does bear fruit for both countries. I have family and friends in both. But of course we are going to be skeptical because once again, we are not treated as citizens are in this process. We don’t have a leader who gets in front of EriTV to explain what the agreements entail. We don’t know what they are doing to prevent things like this from happening again or if they examined what happened in the first place. Abiy and Isaias getting along is great. But it doesn’t mean we will have sustainable peace. Meles and Isaias also had a great relationship. But look how easily they dragged us into war and sustained it to the bitter end. Woyane and EPLF have had a tighter bond than Abiy and Isaias. Eritreans and Tigrayans have spilled blood for each other in the past. You would think that bond would last. But look how easily we all moved to follow our leaders into war. Now we easily follow them into what they say is peace. Oh naw, hell naw, not this time. I wanna see what they’re selling, check their ingredients and Yelp the f@#& out of it. Look, we are a sorry lot. People always talk about how much and how big of a bond we have between the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia. How many of us were petitioning our own governments when they were so quick to war over the border? Where were the high and mighty Orthodox Church leaders across the communities calling for peace? Where were the sheikhs and imams between the two peoples to bring us together? Until we have that kind of organic people to people engagement, we will always follow our governments call for war or peace. And that is not sustainable.

          • saay7

            Shumbahri:

            Welcome back to awate buddy. Unlike my cuz Gheteb, I don’t think it has been “literally” (synonym: exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly; without question, unquestionably, indisputably) “eons” (synonym: a unit of time equal to a billion years) since you were last here, but welcome nonetheless.

            Kidding Gheteb! Not necessary to copy/paste the other meaning of “literally” and “eon.” In this sentence ” It has been literally eons since the PFDJ put people’s interest ahead of its own”, “literally” and “eon” are placed there to exaggerate and emphasize. It so happens that is what you accuse me of: exaggerating. Am I? Which part of this sentence is exaggeration: “The PFDJ Government arrests underage and octogenarian Eritreans.” Once you accept that that is every day in PFDJ’s Eritrea, you either accept it is an abnormal government or you don’t.

            saay

          • Shum

            Hello Saay,

            I’m always here, lurking. And I hear what you say. I could be wrong but I think most people even the ones that passionately defend PFDJ know this is not acceptable. I also think there’s just so much mistrust and bitterness that’s been conditioned. I think many PFDJ supporters find themselves in a corner and any criticism is a threat. They see any criticism as the work of the enemy. The fear is strong in them. The see

    • Paulos

      Gheteb,

      I don’t see anything wrong with Amanuel Iyasu aspiring to be Prime Minister of Eritrea. It is just a NORMAL thing for a person to have an ambition and it is also a NORMAL thing for you to exercise your Constitutional rights to vote or not to vote for him.

      And many thanks for teaching us or introducing us to the following new words:

      Buffeted
      Gaggle
      Propounder
      Peroration
      Stale and Trite
      Shibboleth
      Fissiparous
      Nary
      Superfluity.

      • Beyan

        Dottore,

        It’s rather entertaining to read Gheteb’s entries. How a person with such a massive vocabulary reservoir can lack – in equal magnitude -in criticality is rather difficult for me to fathom. Hope he at least has enough critical faculty to appreciate what awate is proferring him here, to express his mind without showing him the virtual door toward the world of Madote, Shabait, Eri-TV., etc. I am surprised the Higdef crowd haven’t goaded him to become their mouthpiece in Eri-TV. He certainly has amassed vocabulary terms that would qualify him to tow the Higdef-line, albeit at smearing personalities behind ideas instead of discussing the work they produced. Notice his entry dwells on individuals, making tangential connections with Sengal and his brother, who for all practical purposes may have passed on while in the dungeon. An individual who paid so much for his country and his people. Any sensible person you would hope would fight for the man’s day in court, at best. At worst, you would expect him to refrain from exacerbating the sad predicaments they find themselves in, you know, like DuruE’s family members, such as his brother Sengal. But no bars hold for the Higdef crowd. If their man at the helm is one who wouldn’t hesitate to play a border patrol and bar even cadavers from getting a burial ground – I mean how sickeningly sadistic is that? One cannot expect anything less.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Beyan,

          When educated individuals lost their souls to a sadist leader, there is nothing left “humanity” in them. They become symbols in the dirty zone of Eritrean politics. There is no redemption for such kind of people in their political life. They are the examples of the proverbial tale of “Das Hawya”. Once they enter the camp of the evil, there is no exit from it.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Amauel Hidrat,

            Really, it is a TOPIC for scholarly research. We require a research about such kinds of social phenomenon. Furthermore, about supporters of the regime and the silent majority.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hameed,

            My issue with our society is: In general, we don’t acknowledge the existence of our sociatal problems. Until we do that, we can not move forward and we can’t heal our wounds. ሽግራት ሕብረተ-ሰብ ብዕበጦ ዕበጦ ብሸፍኖ ሸፍኖ አተሓሕዛ አይፍታሕን እዩ::

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            My theory* for the reason they throw their unconditional support for Isaias is:

            I. An intense hate
            II. Deeply seated conviction that it
            is only Isaias who can guard and
            save them from the UNKNOWN!

            *They share a paradoxical similarity with the Agazians.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Both your points are spot on. But when I see some of our erudite worshiping Issayas as the protector from their fears, it bothers me a lot.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            I am sorry to inform you that your ‘theory’ and comparison with Agazians are both shaky. For example, ‘an intense hate’ against who?

            First, the supporters of Isaias’ PFDJ are not as dumb as you believe them to be. They are crafty. They support Isaias because:

            1) Isaias has what they want, i.e. access to Eritrea.

            2) They distrust Isaias, but the distrust the walking dead [opposition] even more.

            3) They suffer from war and revolution fatigue.

            As to the Agazians, in these turbulent times, they dream of a distant, misty and supposedly glorious, but unachievable, past.

            On the walking dead, Semere Tesfai had correctly stated that success:

            “It won’t happen – never ever! How on earth could you converge the politics of sub-nationalists with parallel visions and objectives into one effective force – Islamists and Jihadists who have an ambition to create an Islamic State, Nationalists who want create secular state, regionalists who want to erect walls between communities, ethnic warlords who want ethnic segregation between ethnics and communities to be the new way of life in future Eritrea…….. ? How? Anyway…good luck with that!”

            There is no point in beating about the bush. To solve a problem, one must first understand the problem.

        • Paulos

          Selam Dr. Beyan,

          In a true sense, some people are gifted with rich vocabulary. I had a classmate back in Asmara [Comboni] his name was Weldeab and the guy was a walking Thesaurus! The English teacher would be blown away when he asks him the meaning of a random word from a Dictionary and he would give him not only the meaning but other minimum two similar words as well.

          Gheteb certainly has excellent command of the language but I wonder if excessive wording or should I say using uncommon words is necessary.

          If only Isaias knew on how to capitalize on the otherwise out-sourced brains such as yours including Peace and others…..much less Gheteb.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            You’re right. There are individuals who have the capacity to record in mind almost entire dictionary. I had a classmate, actually a neighborhood friend, who memorized a small abridged dictionary we used then. But usage was a problem for him. He used to score low in tests because used to be confused in selection. The tragic things that happened was, despite his wealth of vocabulary and hard work, he dropped out in first semester of freshman year. The vastness of the load was to much for him to carry.

      • haileTG

        Hi Paulos,
        I wonder if we can have awatista competition for the most obscure paragraph of the week using the hardest vocabularies like ultracrepidarian or Eisenbahnscheinbewegung for instance 😄

        • Paulos

          Selam HaileTG,

          The champ for the next decade or so would be Gheteb. I guess he would have to compete against himself for it is a lost battle for any Awatista to take him on.

          In fact, real deal writers, as Kbur Haw Ismail said it, communicate with their audience by employing common words for it is also one of the criteria that gets the attention of the high caliber commette as in the Nobel people, for instance.

          I get stumped why he would want to use heavy words knowing full well that majority Awate readers are people whose second language is English like the rest of us. But of course, it is his prerogative.

    • Hope

      Selamat Prof Dr. Gheteb:
      While I RESPECT,ADMIRE and CHERISH your opinions and your contribution, I disagree with your judgements on and about others and their opinions.
      In this Particular case scenario of contribution by concerned few Eri elites, where is the problem if they are legitimately expressing their concerns for the best interest of Eritrea and Eritreans?
      I would agree if you try to challenge and ‘refute” their ideas rather than passing judgement on them and even belittling their opinions.

  • Beyan

    Selam Awatawyan,

    If you’ve ever wanted to have access to the documents the were produced during the Denver Festival, they are all now in package, thanks to Sal Y. for creating a one link for it.
    When Saleh Younis puts his hands on something, it only gets better. He kindly put all of the documents in one link under one banner.

    Thanks bud,
    Cheers

    http://www.eritreadigest.com/the-eritrean-atlanta-denver-festivals-of-2018/

    • Paulos

      Dr. Beyan,

      Many thanks for the info!

  • haileTG

    Selamat Hameed,

    You say that:

    Any move without a clear program, that is, removing the regime and creating stable nation, I guess it is useless.

    And I say that:

    As long as brother Hameed is committed to the political and territorial integrity of Eritrea and he is opposed to the regime of IA, we should respect his opinion even if we differed with him. He should have full right like any other Eritrean to use full freedom of thought to promote his unique interest for his country. He should not be attacked for holding a particular line of thinking when communicating his vision of a “stable Eritrea”

    And you say that:

    If you [myself] don’t have any complete roadmap, I advise you not to waste your time.

    Now, the situation is that almost every opposition member and party has a “complete road map” which is different from all the other in many respects. That is not a problem in itself though, the main problem is that each opposition grouping is telling the others to “not waste their time”. Each considers its own road map sacred and all others “useless”.

    How do you propose to bridge this gap before we lose the country all together?

    Are we prepared to tolerate one another or repeat the past mistakes that you cited from the struggle era? Because that example you gave perfectly fits the attitudes that are blocking progress at this time.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Haile TG,

      I quote from your comment: Are we prepared to tolerate one another or repeat the past mistakes?

      Within this question lies the solution of all our problems. The moment we conceive and answer this question maturely a new page will be opened for the people of Eritrea.

      First, I would like to highlight that my previous comment is directed to initiators of 1st September 2018. The vision, roadmap, is required from the initiators not you.

      You have the full right to propose recycling of old solutions. My intention was to draw your attention that we have used such kind of solution, but failed to bring us peace and stability. Not only that but such kind of solutions have aggravated our dilemma to unbearable levels.

      We have to comprehend the regime is the product of our problems, it didn’t come from the blues. The problems we suffer from starting from Ethiopian occupation until now are the results of our failure to tolerate each other. Jogging to far siblings didn’t bring us repose.

      Allow me brother Hailat TG to say: Bringing our people under the hate of the regime our kids can do; it does’t require grown ups.

      lastly, Awassa congress has bridged the gap among many organizations. It has also a roadmap to the stage of electing representatives for our parliament. I think it is better to develop it in order to accommodate the remaining groups.

      I believe for any problem there is a solution and for any job there is a better way to do it. Let us search for the better way instead of recycling failed old solutions.

      In Tigre we have an adage that says:
      እሲት ደክለት ዓድ ይተነብር ፥፤ ዋእሳት ፉፍ ነብራ ይተበሽል፤፤ Roughly it means: unwilling woman can’t lead a family life, and a blowing fire will not bake food.

      We can’t bring peace and stability to a nation through flattering, begging and imploring. All should be willing to create peace and stability. All should be willing to co-exist.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Dr. Debretsion sends a clear message where the “Game Overs” are biting the dust. It is a given fact that, Abiy needs the Weyanes more than ever if the nation is to move forward. He needs to recalibrate for his philosophy is turning into a bust where Oromia is cracking down on those who were supposed to have benefited from his reform. Again, if anything, he needs to call the Weyanes when the movie character calls “Saul.”

    • Peace!

      Hi Paulosay,

      Eza Nai TPLF shaklot ab kebdika Atyatika Neza Obously you have some catching up to do …here are some what the former prime minister said:

      “Many in the TPLF felt,” maintains Hailemariam, “that even after Meles, that their experience gave them the exclusive right to rule. Whenever I brought new reforms before the EPRDF, these were always undermined by the TPLF, who felt that they owned the existing order.”

      “I considered how to proceed with such an interparty environment, without it hampering growth and our diplomacy. Yet to get the politics right was very difficult because of the internal power struggle. I had a weak constituency in the EPRDF, among the Southern Ethiopian People’s Democratic Movement, SEPDM, as it was considered the youngest and the weakest, and most divided with 56 ethnic groups among its membership. Thus I did not have a high degree of internal support if I took strong action within the EPRDF.”

      “There was also the issue of Meles’ stated succession plan. This had not been concluded. Younger leaders, including myself, interpreted this as being the need for older leaders to give over power. This created a clash with the older guys, who were communist-minded, in both ideological and generational terms. This caused instability in the party as we tried to reduce the influence of the old guard, who were particularly influential in the TPLF ANDM [Amhara National Democratic Movement],” tensions which were exacerbated “by corrupt practices”, he adds.”

      The problem has already been defined, and the solution is in progress. TRUST me The GAME is really OVER. Let’s talk about our own Game Over: but first, would you mind elaborating to whom were you referring when you said ” morally depleted?”

      Peace!

      • Paulos

        Selam Abi Seb,

        Hailemariam Desalegne’s reflection upon his tenure seems to me benign where one would be hard pressed to extract any bone out of it. That said however, if anything, the reform movement where it is erroneously taken for a revolution has come across as a blessing in disguise for TPLF as it is coming out strong. I would argue, one should at least give them a credit for acknowledging all the shortcomings including fill in the blank__________.

        ኣታ ፒስ ሓወይ ንስኻ እዞም ወያነ ሰረቕቲ እዮም ክትብል ኣነ’ኻኣ ኣይፋልካን ክብለካ ተኸኽ ንባሃል ኣለና፣ በል’ስከ ንግዜ ንግደፎ።

        • Peace!

          ፖውለሳይ,

          ኣነ ዳኣሞ ናይ ዓይኒ ምስክር እንዴ ርግጽ ኮይነ እየ ዝዛረብ ዘለኹ. ንዝኾነ ኣነ ደርፊ ክጋብዘካ እየ መጽየ ነይረ እንተኾነ ግን እዛ ኮመንትኻ ኣብ ቅድሚት ጸኒሓ ኬፍይ ቀይራቶ…”ንግዜ ንግደፎ” ዓባይ ዘረባ ዶተሬ .

          Peace!

          • Paulos

            Abi Seb,

            I am so sorry ፒስ ሓወይ፣ Please let’s hear the song! Thanks.

          • Peace!

            Paulosay,

            ተኽኽ ንባሃል ኣለና ምስበልካኒ እንታይ ኣዘኪርካኒ …

            ” ሕድሮም ወደይ ጅማት ድኣ ማዓስ ይሕየኽ ኮይኑ ገይና ከረብርበካ እዩ:: ንስኻ ዓጨቕ ክተብል ንሱ ጠግ ክብል ክትረባረቡ ኢኹም” just for 😂

            Peace!

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Peace!

        That strawman* argument is still here? Neither ኣቦይ ስብሓት nor TPLF was ruling over anyone. Therefore, there is no coming back expected. ዳሕራይ ኣየበልኩኹምንዶ ከይትብለና፤፤

        * TPLF is ruling (controlling) everything, then suddenly it is “Game Over.” One of the two has to be wrong because the time elapsed from the last day we were told it controlled everything to the day we were told it lost it all makes absolutely no sense.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam fanti
          This is exactly what am talking about,for some weird reason, if u notice the media(gov and opp but more pro gov)specially after ethiopian milliniam, they tried so hard to paint tplf was eprdf, and that is why u see a lot of confusion all over the place.

        • Peace!

          Fantish,

          Suddenly? I thought the last four years of bloody attempts to maintain control was not for nothing. Are u saying the Economic, Political, and Military monopoly was not true? Sorry if I missed your point.

          Peace!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam peace
            Tplf maintain total control and tplf had more than thier fair share of power is two different things.

          • Peace!

            Hi TA,

            So winning an election by 90-100% every five years, and one leader for 21 years— two term president and prime minister for life— controlling 99% high military ranks… it seems a bit far from their fair share. Politics is about dominance/control, and Ethiopia is not an exception.

            Peace!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam peace
            1, the military was a fake news, but they used to have more than thier fair share.
            2, wining 100% is eprdf, not just tplf
            3, Dominican, not in everything.
            The trick was almost all the old andm, most opdo uesd to have identical idology with that of tplf.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Tedros,

            So, why they fail to make..to do their best to Tigray ?..Mekele is not better than Bahir Dar today..You must know this too.

            KS..

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Peace!,

            These are the all time “truths”

            1. TPLF control the military.

            2. TPLF control all financial sectors.

            3. TPLF control all key government positions.

            If this is true, and it is a fact that none of what was happening in the last 3-4 years changed that in any way, how did they lose it literally over night?

            Were there any personnel changed in any of the key positions during the last three years? No.

            Did the military change in any way other than the usual amount and through the usual channels as it did always? No.

            For the sake of argument, never mind whether I think TPLF controlled every thing or not, but the time it would take to dethrone an organization that controls every aspect of a government is not making sense in this case.

            What makes sense to me right now is either TPLF was not controlling everything, at least not to the extent we are lead to believe or it is still in control!

            So, Peace Hawey, either tell me that TPLF did not control everything until about 5 months ago, or stop game overing me.

          • Peace!

            Fantish,

            The control was real and even ignited social unrest. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps my version of Game over is different than yours. To me Game Over is: things have started to change.

            The dominance/control accumulated over twenty-seven years won’t depreciate or disappear overnight.

            Peace!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Peace!,

            Fair enough Abiy seb. Now, let me confess.
            You have been very clear before you meant “act your size” when you say game over with which I totally agree, but it has been confusing how others use it and I had to say what I said earlier. Thanks.

          • saay7

            Selamat His Fantiness:

            I checked some news on your country today and it’s always fascinating to see a country changing in dramatic slo mo:

            This time it has nothing to do with TPLF or OPDO but the usually boring ANDM.

            So once upon a time, right around the time EPRDF was having one of its papal meetings and people (specially Amde) were looking for the smoke sign to see who would be the new pope, Bereket Simon declared his resignation from ANDM.

            Then, within days, we were told ANDM had begged and pleaded with him to return and he had reversed his decision and decided to stay.

            Abiy. Tedemer. Game Over. Isaias clutches his heart. (Sound effect required here: noise of analog media fast forwarding)

            The Oromo head to Asmara to kiss the popes ring.

            Then the Amhara (ANDM) head to Asmara to kiss the popes ring. And they make arrangements for “wedi Afey” (aka indicted criminal) to visit Amhara kilil.

            Today, ANDM dismisses Bereket Simon AND says he will be investigated for corruption.

            Next, ANDM heads to Asmara to make the travel arrangements.

            Here’s Dr Debretsion reaction

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            It is indeed confusing times.

            በነገራችን ላይ*
            PM Abiy’s long awaited and brand new briefing clarified several “ሕርኽራኽ” for me today. I was suspicious of the rumor about EPRDF fracturing to begin with and I think he put it to rest.

            EPRDF will eventually become a single party. TPLF is part of and supportive of the change. There are individuals from all four orgs who support or reject the change, but even those are within reason and mostly based on misunderstanding of what the change is about.

            He was conciliatory and reassuring in many key areas such as security and economy.

            * I don’t know why but you are at your sexiest when you speak Amharic!

          • saay7

            Fantiness:

            The press conference is so loooooooooong that I am only 1/2 way through. {looking both directions to check Eyob is nowhere}: part of the reason is because he was talking about the migration patterns of birds, fish and wilderbeast. Be careful what you ask for: I have been bugging the guy to have a press conference. It’s a speech without applause and ይደገም

            You know how for no reason at all Rick Astleys song “never gonna give you up” became some internet meme with people “rickrolling” as a prank? I think I am going to “Debreroll” people: I can’t stop watching Dr Debre while I tire of Abiy quickly. What’s your diagnosis Fantiness? I am sure you have some certificate from the time you went to Tibet.

            Amharic? You are confusing me for the other Saleh, or Salh or Salih. But not Salah.

            https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I don’t know what the heck you want from the man. Actually his answers were short, nuanced and very well thought out and articulated. I think the problem was a blotted number of journalists (120) and no limit on the number of questions they can ask…They are the once who ate up the time. Not him…

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            What the heck do I want from him? What is it I am requesting? How long have I been asking. አንዱ: ይሀ ብቻ ሳይሆን there may be other questions. ሁሌተኛ this is not a new question. It’s been asked for long. The problem is we don’t ask why the question is asked but how….

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Fanti,

            Oh man…you are mixing up Saleh Younis with Saleh Gadi Johar.. A man who is really fascinating when speaking Amharic is Gash Saleh Gadi Johar

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Eyobai,

            No, no, no. I know a closet Ethiopian when I see one. Memhir SGJ is native and there can be no argument there, but Saay, occasionally throws in a word here and a word there and every time he does that he does it with staggering precision.

            Now that he knows he will hide, but keep your eyes open once he forgets this conversation.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Do you really believe Sebhat Nega played no role in the tplf government, at least from behind the scene? I believe that he was one of those who played a major role. Under what authority did he say that, if anybody (ethiopia) bothers eritrea, tplf (not i) will fight on the side of eritrea? Also, I do not remember under what circumstance, nevertheless, he used the term, “mow them down”. Where there is smoke usually there is fire, and sebhat nega was not a dead volcano.

            The struggle against tplf started right from day one, when tplf strongman full of arrogance and ignorance told the same people whom he came to rule, “ethiopia’s history is a 100 yrs history, if not my way she is not meant to be thus taking in to his hands the fate of the now 100m people, if you want power go to the bushes as we did (meaning they are an occupation force), intimidation with the rwandan genocide story, forgetful of the fact it affected every ethiopian ethnic group, etc.”

            Tplf hated two things when it arrived at arat killo palace, amharas and ethiopia, and it created enemies from all directions, and did not care, because it felt powerful. It did not accept the ethiopian people as equals, hence the terms,” i am proud to be born of the golden people of tigray, what is axum to a welayta, etc”, completely ignorant of the ramifications of these words. Tplf did not accept the ethiopian people from the start, (their history, flag, etc), by which of course, it was not accepted.

            The killings, incarceration, the anti-terrorism law that it used to justify its dictatorial-totalitarian rule, economic domination through effort, and other means, cannot be denied. I have heard by i am not sure, “effort” demanded 3b birr payment from the ethiopian state, because ethiopia borrowed money from it for the war effort to save tigray from eplf/pfdj in 1998.

            In the modern economy, there are means to hide money without trace, and therefore difficult to prove, nevertheless, by ethiopian standard there are many nouveau riches, kleptocrats and oligarchs, most of them tplf officials, as told by many.

            It is not possible to compare the number of tplf generals and officers in the armed forces and security with that of the other parties combined, unless the list of names we have been reading for so long is fake, which is impossible. Nevertheless, tplf was never aware of the fact that its generals were presiding over soldiers they would not be able to order at one point, because it was a federal army and not an ethnic liberation front, which they were used to.

            Tplf is accused of proxy war in the somali-oromia border. The liyu police and the quat-addicted and paranoid abdu illey is said to have been under the control of tplf military officers. There is a list of economic businesses they were carrying out besides the destabilization of the the region.

            Therefore, the last 4-6 mos were the final phase of the long process of the struggle against the tplf authoritarian government (the last push) and not the beginning of the struggle. There is no ground to sanitize tplf. It was not only anti-ethiopia, it was also anti-tigray. It is not that nothing changed in tplf-ethiopia, but, there is nothing it can do to stop the change, because it was a fish in an ocean, and unless accepted by the masses, it had no chance to stay in power by force forever. That it did not know, and it did not care. Power always belongs to the people. If the newcomers behave the same way, they will have no chance.

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            We were told that Getachew Assefa was wanted and left for Sudan. It turned out to be same ‘ol same ‘ol Meshrefet’s wishes. And now they are saying that Berekhet is booted. Well, so far there is no credible news about it except that he gave an interview about his new Book as in yesterday.

            ኣንታ ፋንቲ ሓወይ እዞም ወያነ ጉድ ረኺቦም ዘመስግኖም ስኢኖም፣ ንስኻ’ኻኣ ጉድ ረኺብካ ነቲ ሓደ ክትምልስ ነቲ ሓደ ኣይፋልካን ክትብል፣ በጃኻ ኢለካ ግደፎም ስብሓት ነጋ ከምዚ ገበረ ከምዚ ደገመ ክብሉ ክነብሩ እዮም።

            P.S. My fav line in “The Dirty Dozen”, goes, “If it wasn’t for us [Americans], you would’ve been speaking German.”

          • saay7

            Selam Paulos:

            Whaaaaa?

            🙂

            It made no sense how they would fire a guy who had resigned and was begged to come back. At the very least they would ask him to resign. Spend more time with the family, as they say. Hike the Appalachian mountains write that book. If he does write that book is it Ten chapters of “ why I love Meles Zenawi”?

            Saay

          • Paulos

            Saleh,

            What if the argument is reversed as in he fired them instead and became the sole man in ANDM and the rest are rendered puppets of Isaias. That sounds catchy too!

            That said, why can’t we wait and get the real info from an official source. On a separate note, at least he ain’t vilifying a dead person where Tamrat Lyne is back to his old self instead of sticking to “I found Jesus in jail” mantra.

          • Peace!

            Paulosay,

            ባዕልኻ መምጽኢ እንተመለስና ኻኣ ግምጥል ኢልካ ትነቕፈና ኣለኻ ከምዛ ናይ ጮግራፍ ትኽውን ኣላ መስለኒ 🙂

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            You wouldn’t believe it, I was going to add a comment that says, “Peace, I don’t have you in mind when I say this.” It wasn’t you I was talking about.

            ዘቃባጥረልካ ዘለኹ እታ ብሓንሳበ ኮይ’ና ኣብ ኣስመራ ክንጨርማ ተባሂልና ዘለና ናይ ሜሎቲ ቢራ ከይትሓልፈኒ ኢለ እየ 😂.

          • Peace!

            Paulosay,

            ኣጆኻ ኣነ እየ ዝድፍዖ ከምቢነ ፋካ ሒዘ ክመጽእ እየ ከምዚ ከማኻ ዳህራናት ኣይሳኣኑን እዮም ጥራይ ምስ ረሰንካ ከይትድርበና : ናዓስከ ፒስ እንታይ ኢኻ ትብል ዝነበርካ ሃኣ ኣነ እኳ….😂

            Peace!

          • David Samson

            Selam Peace and Paulos,

            Back in 1999, An English Teacher, Justin, wrote a book about Asmara. In his book, he described Meloti as the most disgusted beer in the world. Having tested beers from many countries and continents, I concur with his test.

            I always have been fascinated with the origin of the word ‘Compana’. I always had assumed it must be some corrupted Italian word. A friend who lives in Italy once told me the exact translation was ‘Loitering’. I have few Italian friends and when asked the word, they look completely lost. May be our word guru Haile could shade some lights on it.

          • Peace!

            Hi Dave Samson,

            Owh..I didn’t know that, not an expert at all. I think you are right “Compana” sounds more like Italian, a bit unique comparing to others usually easily traceable.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam David,

            I do not know the current status of Melotti, quality wise.

            But in the 1990s, I testify that it was a good beer. I remember an English chap, a Clipper programmer, who came to help a government ministry around 1992-93, rating Melotti [taste, strength and quality] highly. He also said that he comes from a long line of family of brewers.

          • David Samson

            Selam Simon,
            As the saying: “One man’s meat is another man’s poison”,taste is very relative.
            How cold a beer is served makes massive difference to its taste. Justin was constantly complained to his hosts( Being ungrateful) why the beer was not as cold as it should.

            Current status?
            I would not touch it with a barge pole.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            You should see me laughing. 😂😂😂😂😂.

            ኣነ’ዳኣ በየናይ ዓቕመይ ክድርበካ ግን ምስ ዓመረካ ካሶቲ ከይትስሕበለይ ክልተ ሰለስተ ወያነ ሕልኮ ባእሲ ዝኽእላ ኣርሕቕ ኣቢለ ኮፍ ከብለን’የ።

            ናይ ምድፋዕ ቀደሙ ኸማን ናባኻ እየ ገዲፈዮ ዕንዱ ኣካውንታንት ስለዝኾንካ! ኣነ ሓውኻ ዕድለይ ኮይኑ ኩሉ ጊዜ ቺስታ እየ እታ ካምባና አመል ግን ኣላ።

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; hahah very funny you ask that question. I was in Israel for the last few days and people were going at it with similar topic of your inquiry, that is, “ If this is true, and it is a fact that none of what was happening in the last 3-4 year changed that in any way, how did they lose it literally over night?” type of argument.
            One of the man among the people said “ Haile-Silase dismantled within, Derg was destroyed by rebels but TPLF was simply hacked from inside out” I was cracking up to no end. I really like the analogy. It describes the situation of the TPLF. If you think about it, you can go bed being millioner but by the time you wake-up, you can be broke and penniless. So, the Hacking describes perfectly
            with what happen to TPLF. TPLF went bed with full authority, economically, militarily and politically. That was their answer but let me give you mine. TPLF completely ignored its youth and the people of Tigray. When the Oromo were grooming the next generation leaders, TPLF were busy looting Ethiopia and abandoning its youth. Who is number one thief in Adiss, you guessed it the young Tigrayans. So, the reason they lost over night is because they ignored and abandoned their youth and the people of Tigray.

          • Girmay

            Hello Nitric welcome back from Isreal. I actually thought you went for holy water to wash yourself from any politics, but yet you came back with a good one, Woyanne where hacked within. Time will tell who will rip the fruits of the hacking.
            I also felt either your moral compass was hacked or your account was hacked when you, belittled Dr. Beyan academic achievements. I guess the business of hacking is bad. Just reminding the great general.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Paulos: i understand your pain but sinse i haven’t been here for awhile, i thought i present you this clip. Please share with your groupe, you know the likes of Aman, Abraham and the rest of the Dukmans. enjoy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp4k-hXcrSY

  • Blink

    Dear Awate especially Fanti and Amde
    Can you guys please help any one who doesn’t understand this mixed message of Debrestion.
    He keep repeating the negative attitude about the change in Ethiopia at a federal level while he keep the whole Tigray to his small TPLF group. And he was also saying many unclear things about the Eritrea and Ethiopia peace process.

    Since it is almost Saturday here is the link

    https://youtu.be/hFGRQCdPfIM

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat blink,

      I will listen to it when I get a chance later, but I just skip-listened to it to see if there was any politics in his statement which it does.

      I am disappointed he is talking politics to mostly teenage girls on their day of happiness and freedom. The spirit of Ashenda is not meant for this type of statements. I am sad.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam fanti
        Do tigraians(outside of temben, more related to agaw) celebrated ashenda 27 years ago?i mean Did none temben tigrai knows about ashenda before tplf came to power?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat TA,

          It is very old and universal in Tigray and northern Wello. It was my favorite holiday when I was growing up.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            i heard ashenda is originally agwa culture and raya, lasta, temben and surroundings also celebrate it.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam TA,

            It won’t surprise me if Ashenda is originally Agew, but it is intense in all of Tigray. In Raya it is complemented with male only events that take place at the same time as Ashenda such as yearly wrestling championships and whip fighting that are as old as our existence.

            Besides, it is also possible that most of our region may not have been as divided in the old days as we make it out to be today.

          • Amde

            Fanti, TA

            I feel the series of festivals all over the highlands from ቡሄ all the way through አሸንዳ to መስቀል in late August/early September are a carry-over of spring (or more accurately end-of-rainy-season festivals) that predate Christianty or Islam. The same logic applies to እሬቻ. Good old celebration of life and fertility – birds and bees etc… It fits with our climate cycles. አሸንዳ is more about the Virgin part than the Mary part.

            Our calendar makes perfect sense on where a new year starts.

            It is worthy of a few PhDs and armies of artists that can find the common threads and weave them into a tapestry for a new age.

            Amma weave me a grass skirt – and sway back and forth.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Where i grow up most of the people in the neighborhood r people from lasta (or decedent)and i know enough about tigrai culture. But am wondering how i didn’t know this ashenda thing until recently? Do u know this ashenda culture was a major holiday like buha or mesekel before like 15 years ago? Or there is somekind of poltics behind it?

          • Amde

            Selam Berhe and Teodros,

            Ashenda I guess was pretty well known mostly in the southern half of Tigray. I spent a ክረምት in Maichew many many years ago as a child and it was a big and colorful thing. I thought of it as a girls’ ቡሄ since it occurs at the same time .

            As a “national” event with politicians making big speeches – well that is a new thing with the whole ethnic nation building projects the ethnic entrepreneurs have embarked on. I feel the same about እሬቻ። Basically pre-christian pagan spring festivals which were suppressed / frowned upon by the church. Now they are seized on by the ethnic politicians. I would have preferred they stay as folk festivals without the politicians sticking their noses in them. I can perfectly understand why Fanti is upset about Dr.D making political speeches on a holiday meant to celebrate young girls’ coming into womanhood (my interpretation).

            Amde

          • Girmay

            Hello Amde, I like this reflection, and I agree with these assessments. Despite our different views, I appreciate the way you communicate your political stand.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde and Fanti,

            I am hearing the word Ashenda for the first time. I don’t remember this holiday celebrated in Eritrea when I grew up. And I don’t remember it was one of the public holidays.

            Same thing when I first heard እሬቻ.

            Is it just me or I have totally forgotten stuff?

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Sir Amde & Berhe Y,

            Berhe,
            Ashenda is very old tradition and I believe it is also celebrated in southern Eritrea along the borders. It is seasonal holiday that usually runs for many days but an average of a week in most places (2 – 3 weeks in Raya when I was growing up).

            It was not a government holiday so to speak until now and it was never celebrated in an organized way, in one city, and for a few days as it has been done recently.

            Unmarried girls from their respective villages or sections of towns used to organize to have fun while collecting money, food, and grain from everyone and every house to eventually give it to a church to be distributed to those in need.

            By tradition it is the one holiday when girls have an absolute right to do about anything, and I have never heard of anyone going against them in anyway during ኣሸንዳ.

            So, the combination of being young, beautiful, playful, free, powerful, and humble enough to give away whatever they gain to the poor made them a force to behold!

            Amde,
            What an excellent observation! Remember my “we are all Oromos” theory? The more I know the more I am making sense to myself. There is an intriguing relationship between ጥምቀት, ኣሸንዳ, and እሬቻ that cannot be ignored.

            The river bank need for እሬቻ and ጥምቀት, ኣሸንዳ concluding near and around ጳጉሜ, and all three having ቀጤማ in common may not be a coincidence but a clue to variations of the same root.

            I can’t wait to retire!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            Temeket is on January( tere).

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam TA,

            True, but water and grass are the links. It is the only time when Tabot is physically taken to river banks or near water wells and worshiped there.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            The tabot taken to the river banks, Near the water is to show the baptism of jesus Christ, nothing to do with rainey session.

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I am shocked people losing their belongings to celebrate their new born baby as well as their beloved once death ( teskar ) . I was just listening to one of my friends families economic struggles to have fest ( teskar) for their 94 years old dead grandmother. My friend told me he has to send 3000 USD in order for the teskar to take place , I asked what exactly do this thing help the dead one as well as the living one to spend such amount of money, he said it is something like religious and cultural things that has to be eliminated but these priests insist that the family must throw this fest in order for the dead to sleep well. I am not still convinced by his explanation just as your Jordan river thing.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U have to know, Religion is about faith.
            And u have to know, no body bother u guys when u worship and sacrifice melalit, lanin, meles. And no body bother u guys When u do communistic(pagan) “tesker” for ur fellow dead pagans, so stop acting like as if u r smart just because u r pagan, urs is not even about faith but worshiping crazy philosopher human(dead human).

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I still question the necessity of this faith to spend such money while the next morning the family who are alive got hungry.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            First of all i don’t know about ur tg but this “tesker” thing is banned by law and church long time ago.so no longer practiced the way it used to be practiced.
            And like i told u, worry about ur paganic tesker.

          • Blink

            Dear Teodrose
            There is no such paganic teskar in Eritrea that I am aware of . By the which place are we talking ?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Waye eritrea, by the 6 years anniversary of meles tg.

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            I agree – but i would probably articulate it as a pre-Christian (what is now termed pagan) proto-culture. I suspect they predate the Amhara, Tigray and Oromo ethnicities and languages themselves. Sometimes I feel the Church has suppressed or destroyed too much of our common traditions as being the devil’s work. But it is interesting how echoes of an ancient philosophy still remain.

            I volunteer to be your field assistant.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Sir Amde,

            Totally. Assuming I won’t find a better equipped and more talented who will challenge the task, I may in fact concentrate mostly on early BC leading to the emergence of proto-Ethiopia with some statement about Kush and Semite relationships.

          • Aligaz G

            Selam Fanti

            Fascinating discussion you and Amde are having. Hope we dont have to wait a long time for the field report. 🙂

            cheers

          • Admassie

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            I think Ashenda might be celebrated in the whole Tigray. My area (wereda ጸለምቲ) is the other end (from your’s) of Tigray, near Semien Gondar and as far as I remember Ashenda was the happiest day of my little sisters. I think the lyrics of the song are also similar in all areas of the region.

            ኣሸንዳ …ኣይ ቆልዓ እንድየ
            ኣሸንዳ…ክጻወት እየ

            ኣደይ ዓባይ ዝሃባና
            ቀለብ ዓመት ይኾነና

            ፈሰሰ … ግመ ነሓሰ
            ፈሰሰ … ከም ማይ ነሓሰ

            Admassie A.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            A long time ago, somebody tried to connect the history of reed boats on lake tana, ancient egypt and lake titicaca in south america, in a documentary. Vaguely do i remember, but it seems that the same person tried to navigate the red sea and even cross the atlantic ocean on a reed boat, which i think failed because it caught fire. The details could be slightly different, but, i think that something similar is the general story.

            Why i brought the story is due to the similarity of the reed (grass) skirts the girls wear in ashenda celebration, with what women wear in celebrations in hawaii and other pacific islands, from videos i saw. Could this be the transfer of tradition thousands of years ago over thousands of miles, nobody knows which direction, or is it simply the result of local story and myth and the availability of material (like reeds and grass) in the locality that created somehow similar tradition in two places so far away?

            Like the boats made of reeds, somebody may come with a wild (or maybe not so wild) story that there was some sort of connection. Nobody knows.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Horizon,

            It is true, and perhaps not as often as forgotten relationships, but coincidences do happen. The “availability of material” you mentioned is one good point to keep in mind when examining coincidences. It would be fascinating if there was proof that links some Hawaii and African traditions especially before slavery.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Thank u, and eracha was there but i think never been celebrated in public for somekind of weird assumption.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Fantyachin,

        I am sadder with his sexually explicit (almost) songs in front of girls of 15 and 16…

        • saay7

          Eyobai:

          Como????

          This is the song I heard the two play. Twice. Was there another one with objectionable lyrics? This is a love song. I mean good old fashioned, love, peace, I feel like clutching my heart song of innocence

          https://youtu.be/M6qbaF62gf0

          As for Dr Rambo: who is shocked that a politician gave a political speech? Oh, Fanti of course. By the way, do our people (Eritreans and Ethiopians) boo politicians? All I always here is applause cheers and yidegem. (Watch which part they asked him to repeat. Man is branding himself as protector of federalism. )

          saay

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      Not just bereket and tadese lost it, but the whole of the old andm guys(the addisu, the helawe, …..) Will no longer attend andm/eprdf meetings, no more:).and bereket and taddes will face a corruption charges.

    • Amde

      Selam Blink,

      Haven’t heard it. But it is very logical and predictable. They are posturing to maximize leverage. TPLF doesn’t do being anything but number one. It is a strange and unfamiliar terrritory.

      I think it is more fun seeing Dr.D. trying to be a populist-rile-up-the-crowd kind of politician.

      Loosen-Up Dr.D.!!

      • Peace!

        Amde,

        It sounds more of anger than practical approach. US congress men have been holding meetings with the new Ethiopian leaders in Sheraton while the poor Dr is stuck in Mekele.

        Peace!

        • Amde

          Selam Peace!

          Well, one could see this coming from a mile away. They are getting pushed out of the EPRDF they created (due to the ideological shift of OPDO and ANDM who will soon be changing their names, logos and ideology). They made parliament irrelevant, and in any case they have no other parties to form coalitions with there because of the meto-be-meto. There is no appetite in the world for a bunch of still-born states and statelets in Eastern Africa, which is what they are threatening to ignite. So the options are limited.

          ቢናደዱ አይገርምም።

          Amde

          • Peace!

            Hi Amde,

            Agreed. The options are limited I hope they wise up and make the imminent transition peaceful. Even Somali region has declared its independence from dying TPLF— reclaims its flag and national anthem.

            Peace!

          • Girmay

            Hello, Amde you are making a very interesting point about Tplf options. Let me be clear with you about my political stand, I am not Tplf, but I am a woyanne. Woyanne means revolution to correct injustice, while Tplf is so supposed to the political party that represent the voice of Woyanes. But that is not the case.
            Meles represented Woyanne, the current Tplf, leaders sort of represent Woyanne but not quiet.
            These Tplf guys patience and calculations give heart attack. I don’t know what their plans are, but I believe Woyanne revolution has to be reactivated for a number of reasons.
            1. During the Dergue Mengistu bombed Hawzien killing and injuring thousands of inocent Tigreans, but yet no Tigrean killed inocent Amhara in retaliation. In the past four years many inocent Tigreans were killed , but yet no prominent “democracy” singing Amhara intellecual has come out publicly condemning the act of killing inocent Tigreans . ESAT, the number one hate manufacturing propoganda has not uttered a word against Tigrean killing.

            2. Second reason Tplf succeeded in empowering Amhara and Oromo elites, but failed in empowering Ethiopian minorities and Ethiopian peasantry. As a result of that millions of Ethiopian minorities find themselves in shelter after Abie came to power.

            Dear, Amde the arrogance of the majority elites will be checked by true Woyanne revolution, if they feel that they will be invincible by creating a system that becomes the tyranny of the majority.
            I always, enjoy reading your insights but this comment shows a flavor of arrogance that I haven’t seen from you. You seem to believe that Ethiopian minorities have no options but to surrender to the tyranny of majority.
            Amde, you have to understand Ethiopian minorities combining are about 35 million people. Now, imagine if Meles like leader emerges from any of these minorities and wage a political revolution? Then what happens?
            We Ethiopians have one sucessful buisness , its called underestimating each other. In this type of situation mutual respect among different communities has no base. This is one of the many reasons we go through cycles of instability. The Tplf also did their fare of underestimation big time. Woyane on the other hand means rise and never surrender to injustice.

          • Amde

            Selam Ghirmay,

            I do not think we will agree.

            You consider it arrogance when i am describing the logical outcome of the current system. What we see today is the result of the system working as designed and as practiced over the past 27 years. To paraphrase your terminology – I blame TPLF for imposing a political system which is designed to impose “tyranny of ethnic majority”.

            In a normal world what one hopes for is a tyranny of a democratic majority.

            Tigrayans shouldn’t be represented by just one organization. TPLFs tantrum leaves Tigrayans with little political allies – whereas a political system that has other Tigray based parties, as well as with Tigrayans as active participants in other national parties is a much more robust system.

            Tigray and Gonder should have been political allies in a normal Ethiopian federation – not killing each other over Welqayit.

            I ask you use your Weyane spirit to free Tigrayans from the political monopoly of TPLF.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde,

            You were asking (and saay was half-answering) why PMAA opted to take on Eritrean issue. Here is another half answer: we have seen huge security gap with ethnic color to it since PMAA came to power. You can imagine the kind of hovac IA could have caused by simply slipping in a few fighter from the numerous armed groups at his disposal to Ethiopia and create huge distrust and throw in more fuel to the fire. PMAA preemptived it. I don’t know if that was in his calculation, but looks like a smart move in hind sight.

            Hm

          • Amde

            Hi halafi mengedi,

            Looking at the equivalent of a political earthquake in the Somali region, I am now inclined to believe Team Lemma/Abiy are much better chess players I gave them credit for. So it seems to be more of a purposeful reaching out for a rapprochement with an Isayyas led PFDJ, than a un/lucky accident. I think mostly driven by domestic politics to outflank TPLF who keep insisting they should be the interface between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

            It was probably prudent to engage Isayas precisely for the reasons you articulated, even if Weyane was not in the picture. I am really happy for the families. But you can put me on the “wary” column.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde and hm,

            You know I heard Andargachew interview with BBC hardtalk and he said he convinced or told the PM that he was wrong about IA or something and he had something to do with the peace plan, after IA said he will send delegates.

            Andargachew was in Toronto a week or so ago and he repeated similar claim with more details. He said I will paraphrase “we asked to talk to them (meaning Eritrea / IA” but they don’t want to talk to us. We send presidents and kings but they would not talk to us. Even if we send someone from space they still would not talk to us. I think you are probably our best hope, please go and try”.

            He said when he left the PM office he left with the message to IA (at least that’s what I he meant).

            Now the PM insistence of releasing Andargachew (he told bbc that he would resign if he wasn’t released) and he wanted him to leave with his dignity rather than shipped out at night makes all sense.

            If they are capable of such political calculation, then the team Lemma are political genius. But I think we are just repeating what we like to believe.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe,

            When asked about this, pm Abiy’s response was more or less what the proverb says, success has many fathers…., and let us say that we all did according to our ability. If one LF leader could set in motion and help solve a 2 decades quagmire, it should be phenomenal.

            If hundreds of millions and billions could not move the mountain, and Andy T. could do it, then he has performed a miracle, and PMAA should call him to solve the last tplf legacy, ethnic federalism, that is the cause of so much bloodshed, evictions and misfortunes for today’s ethiopians.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello again blink,

      Well, it wasn’t that long after all. There is nothing new in it, but I still don’t like the time and place for this speech.The rest is a little double-talk for my taste, but it is generally okay.

      “Let’s unite and save our country from foreign and domestic conspirators” and “we will not let divisive forces instigate division among Ethiopians by waging ethnic violence” can be said any time by anyone, and I don’t think anyone will have a problem with that. Bottom line: it was okay.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    and All !,
    .
    Shalom !
    .
    If you allow me to say this little of opinion of mine…… which I believe
    most of you might be already familiar
    and know it well while some others
    might not be familiar with it.. .. It is to
    say that……
    The level or degree of civil Liberty and
    Freedom of civil rights is directly correlated or propprtional to the degree of Order and Security the nation and the
    government feels to.
    That is the more secured and in order the nation is the more provision of Liberty and freedom of rights by the governing body and vise versa.
    Thus which one comes first ?
    Is it freedom and liberty or Order and Security ?
    As to me I think it is the later. Once a nation has ayttained the desired Order and Security it discharges more Liberty and Freedom of civil rights to its citizens.
    I am also open and would like to hear if somebody has or comes with a different
    opinion than mine.
    Thank you All

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Alex,
    Does these words look familiar:

    Hi Blink, I agree with you that awate team are good in reporting the truth as AP, AL Jazera they report fakes news before verifying if the story is true.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Hayata,

      I think this may be one of those “lost in translation” issues. So, I will take care of the copyright issue with Haile TG later, but here is what you should say to Alex next:

      Hi Alex,
      My apology. You have a point.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Alex,
        I think I goofed over this. My apology is in order. It was entirely out of misreading your comment.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    Alex De Waal has a deep take on Ethiopia’s future. He has this context “political market” where he sees Africa being played as a play ground where political loyalities and elections are bought in the market almost like any commodity subjected to pricing based on demand and supply. Alex is worried in seeing Ethiopia trending to unclear territory (de-institutionalization and political marketing) away from a known one (developmental state). He has some questions as well as advices to PM Abiy and the current leadership. So, I want you to enjoy the whole reading here: https://sites.tufts.edu/wpf/files/2018/08/The-future-of-ethiopia-20180817.pdf
    There are some other points that interest me and I want to share with you here from Alex’s exchanges with PM Meles, (apparently, the two seem to have been close). Alex asks and Meles answers:
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    AdW: Why is the conflict with Eritrea so intractable?
    MZ: At some point we will find a way to livetogether with Eritrea: that is inevitable. The
    issues that divide us are entirely down to some idiotic posturing and not only on the Eritrean side. Isseyas needs a face-saving formula, and it shouldn’t be difficult to find one. He cannot forgive the Weyane for defeating his unconquerable army and so he is looking to punish them. One way he would like to this is to dismantle Ethiopia which is proving a lot more difficult than he thought. The other strategy is to hang on until he can find
    enough Ethiopians who can also demonize the Weyane. And for the time being the permanent state of tension is helpful to Isseyas, a reason for his survival. He knows that he won’t survive any democratization.
    ———————————————————————————————————————
    The other interesting point they discussed in their exchange was about Egypt and Gulf heavy hands on Ethiopia. Meles says he fears Egypt on the other hand, and UAE on the other, and fears most if the two converge against Ethiopia.
    ———————————————————————————————————————
    AdW: What is your greatest fear?
    MZ: …My nightmare is that the two should combine: that we should have an Egyptian agenda that is financed by Gulf money. I used to fear that this would happen with Islamist revolutions in both countries. Today I fear that it will happen because the security and commercial interests of the Arab countries will converge on an agenda of imposing
    tight control over their southern perimeters. ….
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    I think Meles was seeing this coming and he was sleepless about it.

    • Hope

      Selamat Miss Hyat Adem:
      Are you testifying on PIA’s MIGHTINESS, Genius and sophistication?
      Addendum:
      PMMZ also declared that” It is easier to get a
      degree overnight by listening ONLY to
      PIA rather than going through years of College.
      I watched a well organized and sophisticatedly compiled clip
      about what you mentioned above by a young
      Eritrean @
      TN.Com.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selamat Hope,
        Don’t believe it. nay denaqoor zereba eyu. You have been listening to IA for many years now. Did you learn one thing (just obe thing) from him? I doubt it. If you Hope (a relatively wisdom challenged guy) couldn’t learn a thing or two, would believe Meles could have said that? It is the 03 vicious thingy suffocating your brain to function at even lower subopitimal level.
        Me admitting IA’s sophistication? I might, why not. After all, he is lording longer than I thought over millions who hate him. He is capable of herdibg the maby thousands who develop some level of cult towards him. These are all qualities of sophistication. But I have a close friend she despises him extremely. She has frequent words to describe him. newrenya kifu’e! Ezisi seb aykonon. She says he is so coward and she doesn’t count him as a person. To her He is not a relative of sophistication, not even its distant cousin. She would argue, the roughness, crudeness and rawness of his crime choices show his simpleness at brutality.
        Hope, does it help your psychue a bit if people like me see him as a sophisticated person? I am already doing it for your sake. I will go ahead and convince my friend to respect Isayas. For you, thing my friend!

    • Blink

      Dear Hayat
      Speaking of Meles as noted, I would like to see the letter from Mengistu Hailemariam to Issaias via Israeli guy you claimed you have at your disposal . It has been almost a year since you claim you have it . Where is it ? You know it will be very hard for people who keep traceable claims to make outlandish comments.

  • Admassie

    Selam Awatawiyan,

    “…እንደ ዶክተር አቢይ እጅግ ከባድና ውስብስብ የሆነ ፖለቲካዊ ፈተና ከፊቱ የሚጠበቀው መሪ ያለና የነበረን አይመስለኝም።”

    “…የህወሃትና የኢህአዴግ አመራሮች ብሄር አቀፉን ፌዴራላዊ ስርዓት የተከተሉት ሆን ብለው አገራቸውን ከፋፍለው ለማባላትና ለመግዛት ሲሉ ነው የሚለው አስተሳሰብ ፍትሃዊነት የጎደለው አመለካት ይመስለኛል።”

    “ባሁኑ ወቅት የዶክተር አቢይ ማዕበላዊ ድጋፍ መሰረት የሆነው ከብሄርተኝነት ይልቅ ኢትዮጵያዊነት ከፍ ብሎ እንዲሰበክና ጎልቶ እንዲወጣ የሚፈልገው ወገን ነው ማለት ይቻላል። …በተለይም በአማራ ክልል የሚኖሩ ባለፉት ሃያ ሰባት አመታት በአማራነታችን ብቻ ላለፈው ዘመን በደል ሁሉ ተጠያቂ ሆነን በብሄር ብሄረሰቦች እንድንጠላና እንድንወገዝ ተደርገን፣ ስንበደልና ስንጠቃ ኖረናል ከሚለው ብሄር አቀፍ ፌደራሊዝም ወደስልጣን ከመጣበት ከ1983 ወዲህ የተፈጠሩ አክራሪ የአማራ ብሄርተኝነት አራማጆች ወገን ነው።”

    “…ሶቪየት ዩኒየን በኢኮኖሚ እደገት ደረጃ ካለም ኃያላን መንግስታት ትክሻ ለትከሻ ቁመት መለካካት በጀመረችባቸው በነዚህ እጅግ አስደናቂ ፈጣን የእድገት ዘመናት ኢኮኖሚው በሚገነባበት መጠንና ፍጥነት ወትሮም ባስተማማኝ መሰረት ላይ ያልተገነባው ብሄራዊ አንድነት በመንግስታዊ ፕሮፖጋንዳ እንደ አዲስ እየተገነባ ነው ቢባልም ባስደንጋጭ ሁኔታ እየተሸረሸረ ነበር።”

    “አንቀጽ 39 ከሩስያ ኢትዮጵያ ውልደቱና ውጤቱ”

    “ህወሃት በዚህ የዋለልኝ ትንታኔ ምናልባትም ሆን ብሎ የፈጠረው ግድፈት እንሆ ዛሬ ድረስ ከአማራው ህዝብ ጋር ታላቅ ተቃርኖ ውስጥ አስገብቶታል ማለት እንችላለን። የህወሃት የታሪክ ትንታኔ የዋለልኝን አቅጣጫ ተከትሎ በገዥነት የፈርጀው የአማራውንና የትግራይን ገዢ መደቦች ቢሆን ኖሮ ከአማራው ወገን የሚመጣበትን ምሬት አዘል ተቃውሞ አሁን ባለው ሁኔታ ላይሆን ይችል ነበር ብሎ መገመት ይቻላል።”

    “የዋለልኝ አቋም የኤርትራ ነጻ አውጭ ግንባር እንቅስቃሴ የሚመራው በኤርትራ ቡርዧ ስለሆነ ውጤቱ ለኤርትራውያን ጌታ ከመቀየር ያለፈ ሊሆን አይችልም የሚል ነበር።…በዚህም የተነሳ ለኤርትራ ነጻ አውጪዎች የኤርትራ ጥያቄ ኤርትራን ከቅኝ ገዥዎቹ ኢትዮጵያውያን ነጻ ማውጣት ጉዳይ ሆኖ ሲቀር ዋለልኝ ይህችን ጽሁፍ በጻፈበት አመት ጨርሶ ያልነበሩት የህወሃት አመራሮች ግን አስቀድመው ብሄርተኞች ሆነው ቢነሱም የትግራይን አርሶ አደር ገዢ መደቦች ከሚሏቸው ከትግራይ ባላባቶች ነጥለው ማየት እንዲችሉና የትግራይን አርሶ አደር በሰፊው ከጎናቸው ማሰለፍ እንዲችሉ ረድቷቸዋል።”

    “የፕሬስ ነጻነትና ዴሞክራሲ ውጤታቸው ተያይዞ መጥፋት ከሆነ ትርጉም የላቸውም። ሶቪየት ህብረት ጨርሳ በፈራረሰች ጊዜ እነዚህ የፕሮፖጋንዳ ዘመቻዎች በየክልሉ መንግስታት ቴሌቭዥኖች በተቀጣጠሉ ጊዜ ውሎ አድሮ ውጤታቸው ይህ እንደሚሆን ያልጠረጠሩት ሚሃይል ጎርባቼቭ የዚያ ዘመን ስህተታቸውን ዛሬ በጡረታ ዕድሜ ሆነው የኋሊት እየቆዘሙ በጸጸት ያስታውሱታል። ይሁንና ውሻው መጮህ የነበረበት ጅቡ ከመሄዱ በፊት ነበርና ጸጸታቸው ለፈራረሰችው ሶቪየት ህብረት ዛሬ ትርጉም የለውም።”

    “…እርስዎ ራስዎን ዝቅ አድርገው በኢትዮጵያና በኤርትራ መካከል ተቋጥሮ የነበረውን የበቀል ስሜት አርግበው ሁለቱን ህዝቦች ወደ አንድ ማምጣት የቻሉ መሪ ነዎት። ኤርትራን አምጥቶ ትግራይን ማጣት ግን ከኪሳራዎች ሁሉ ታላቅ ኪሳራ ነው።”

    These are taken from a new book called ” የማስጠንቀቂያ ደወል” by Michael Shiferaw. His analysis depict that the history of USSR is being repeated in Ethiopia since the sixties. It has 275 page written in Amharic.

    He discusses PMAA and EPRDF, PMAA and Gorbachev, Bolshevik and Walelign, TPLF and article 39, Power Representation, Nation and Mythology, Kibre Negest and Ethiopian Identity etc.

    It is very intersting, far from hyperbolic and skewed perspective and worth reading.

    Admassie A.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Admassie,

      Thank you for sharing introduction to Michael Shiferaw’s book. I have not yet seen the book but it might be interesting as you have suggested. It appears that he had raised big issues though I do not know how he related them to the present conditions of Ethiopia. Generally, relating present conditions of a county with precedents is worthwhile because comparison and contrast of past experiences developments could broaden horizon to resolution of current challenges. But, the gist of the message remains to be how far objective and comprehensive suggested solutions might be.

      Looking at what Ethiopian intellectuals, the Amharas among them, it seems they are still polarized and unable to come to consensus on which scenarios would be fit to transform the current governance set up. The centralist and federalist divide is still solid. Examples are articles such as Prof. Messay Kebede and lots of others published with the Dr. Abij’s accession to leadership as departure point. Thus, since you have read the book, I wonder if you can share your thoughts about how this author and what he provided differ from others in regard to solutions.

      • Admassie

        Selam Ismail AA,

        Sorry for my belated reply. My reading was not as such as good as reviewing, but I will put the general gist of the book as of my understanding.

        Unfortunately the author’s intention is not suggesting solutions. His book is more in to:

        a. The historical perspective of the “rights of nations and nationalities up to secession” in the USSR.

        b. The process of its experimentation up to its death.

        c. The parallel of the feudal Russia and feudal Ethiopia pre their respective revolutions.

        d. The birth of ethnic federalism in the minds of Walelign Mekonen and the marxist youth of the sixties.

        e. Ethnic federalism in EPRDF’s Ethiopia and its practice and drawbacks.

        Though, the author has not put the way out, in clear terms, from the dangerous precedence we are in in clear terms, I believe his stands could be summerized:

        a. He is in favor of federalism which also gives representation to urban citizens in city/town assemblies where they live which is different from their ethnic region. I.e Amhara in Adama or Jimma.

        b. He believes the fractured EPRDF poses real treat to the country’s integration more than other oppositions. Therefore, strong EPRDF with its strong member organizations and cleared inner contradictions is the salvage.

        c. He calls ANDM to take the responsibility of leading the Amhara people in full heart. He sees that ANDM’s representation to the people was not intentional. Rather it was a forced act for the members from other ethnics were left to represent their own ethnicity.

        I hope I gave the the general insight and I hope you may find the book and read.
        Thank you.
        Admassie A.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Admassie A.,
          Thank you so much for your time. I can see the book could be worth reading. Incidentally, I am not sure Walelign Mekonen was federalist. I mean, as far as I can remember because I am one of his contemporaries.

          • Admassie

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Thank you for the correction. I was meant to refer the birth of “rights of nation and nationalities up to secession” .

            Thanks again.

            Admassie A.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Admassie,

      “…far from hyperbolic and skewed perspective and worth reading”

      The statement in the following sentence is the kind that makes our politics strange. I am already thinking that this book may just be one of those “same old-same old,” unclear at best or divisive at worst, books I have come to expect from authors of our era.

      “…በተለይም በአማራ ክልል የሚኖሩ ባለፉት ሃያ ሰባት አመታት በአማራነታችን ብቻ ላለፈው ዘመን በደል ሁሉ ተጠያቂ ሆነን በብሄር ብሄረሰቦች እንድንጠላና እንድንወገዝ ተደርገን፣ ስንበደልና ስንጠቃ ኖረናል ከሚለው ብሄር አቀፍ ፌደራሊዝም ወደስልጣን ከመጣበት ከ1983 ወዲህ የተፈጠሩ አክራሪ የአማራ ብሄርተኝነት አራማጆች ወገን ነው።”

      Assuming that sentence is not clarified somewhere else in the book, in which case I will stand corrected, let’s examine it briefly.

      Does the author agree or disagree with “ባለፉት ሃያ ሰባት አመታት በአማራነታችን ብቻ ላለፈው ዘመን በደል ሁሉ ተጠያቂ ሆነን በብሄር ብሄረሰቦች እንድንጠላና እንድንወገዝ ተደርገን፣ ስንበደልና ስንጠቃ ኖረናል?”

      If the author is maintaining neutrality, which I will show below that that is not the case, what percentage of Amharas does he believe relate to that statement?

      Whether he agrees or disagrees and whether the percentage of Amharas who feel persecuted are too small to warrant our attention, why does he think that it is only addressed by “አክራሪ የአማራ ብሄርተኝነት አራማጆች ወገን?” Why not just by a small number of Amharas, or, better yet, by all fair minded Ethiopians?

      You see, the author’s decision to use “አክራሪ የአማራ ብሄርተኝነት አራማጆች” is not accidental. It is rather proof to the author’s belief that Amharas did not have it bad for the last 27 years or he believes that the majority and main stream Amharas don’t believe they had it bad. Either way, he is mistaken.

      So, Brother Admassie, based on this one sentence alone, the author is far from being neutral, but it does not mean the book is unworthy. It may still be an excellent book which contains historical facts and other important information worth learning.

      Thank you for bring it to our attention.

      • Paulos

        Fantination,

        If that is in fact the case, what was the political drive behind ANDM who fought the Dergue tooth and nail? The writer is obviously confused.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Dr. Paulos,

          Excellent question! Primarily, to fight all forms of injustices including those ethnic based, to shield the ordinary Amhara from becoming unintended target, and basically to address all Amhara related issues. How well did it do? Let’s both ask Ras Abi.

        • Aligaz G

          Paulos

          To facilitate TPLF hegemony 🙂

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I was certainly expecting someone else to say it [as in the Tedros dude] not you. My impression about you was obviously wrong. What you just said is pretty lame.

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Sorry to disappoint. I will try to make it up to you. But ANDM was a TPLF creation likewise OPDO etc. You may have heard ANDM just fired puppet master Simon Bereket and there are proposals to change even the name and flag of the party. Many people willfully confuse ANDM with EPRP but I am sure not you. Why try to score cheap points among friends?

            cheers

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            Has ANDM issued a statement anything to that effect or is it someone is telling you what you would like to hear so that your Dopamine and Serotonin can shoot up to the roof. Provide us with an official link if you will so that I can believe it.

            That said, if your ultra-light weight argument is centered on the premise that ANDM and OPDO were created to serve TPLF, would it be fair to come to your level and assume that the “new” ANDM is created to serve Isaias?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            When you shoot using neuro-transmitters attack (dopamine, serotonin, and acetylcholine neurotransmitters) for those who try to tell us what they would like to see, you always makes me laugh. Do they have neurotransmitters shield to reject the coded messages, or neurotransmitter receptors that help to translate the messages. Talking out of politics is sometimes recreational to the bogged mind.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel

            Actually I think Paulos forgot to take his Lithium today. He will be back to normal tomorrow.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aligaz
            I don’t know if it is intentional or i don’t know why u guys have hard time to get it.
            Andm used to be epdm and used to eprp.
            Bereket was never been puppet of tplf, he lost his brother by tplf in a fight when his brother and him self fought tplf when they were eprp.
            The reason he got suspended from cc of andm is because of his line of thinking don’t match with the current leadership and because of samekind of wrongdoing in “terit”.
            And he is not the only one that has been suspended.

          • Aligaz G

            Teodros

            It’s all intentional. Anyway Bereket is roadkill.

            cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            U know what i think of u? Video pathetic. Or pathetic p. U r out of the real world and believe anything on the fake videos.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam fanti
        Agree with u on most of the things, but don’t u think the amaras outside of amara kilil and addis were targeted because of who they r?

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam TA,

          It is not necessarily the persecution but the sense of defeat and shame, or at least the perception of it, they were forced to endure. As a Tigrayan I am already relating to it and I can only imagine how difficult it must have been for most innocent Amharas, which is very much almost all Amharas.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            No fanti, perception of defeat don’t exists, actually that was exactly tplf want the amara to feel and that was the reason why the admassie guy brought the topic here.
            But i can tell u this, untill recently by the help of amara people,even tigraians civilians can live freely in ethiopia,
            but when i say persecution, i meant the displacement by the regional gov(tplf behind), the killing by political parties(still tplf behind it).

      • Admassie

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        Thank you for your opinion.
        I am sensing a frustration from your note and I understand that. But:

        1. My understanding of his use of the phrase “አክራሪ የአማራ ብሄርተኝነት አራማጆች” is not because he missed that others also share the sentiment of being victim, but he wanted to distingush those who throw every blame on TPLF, by association on ትግሬ, and those who feel ANDM’s inept in defending the አማራ. He deals this issue later in his book and suggests ANDM to work aggressively in addressing the grievances of the አማራ people, especially living in other Regional States. He recommends EPRDF to set mechanism in giving representation in town assemblies to citizens reside outside their ethnic origin.

        2. He believes in strong EPRDF and he feels the federal system could be salvaged by drawing lessons from the failure of USSR and Yugoslavia.

        3. He alarms PMAA that the the real treat to the country is the fracture of EPRDF and the attack and marginalize of the Tigray people.
        “…አገሪቱን የሚመራው የፖለቲካ ቡድን ከመደመርም በላይ ራስን አሳልፎ ለፍቅር መስዋዕት እስከመስጠት የሚደርስ ሆደ ሰፊነት ይጠበቅበታል። በቅርቡ ከወደ ትግራይ የሰማነው በእኩልነት ተከባብሮ አብሮ የመኖር ወይንም የመበታተን ደወል ወደ እልህና ቁጣ የሚነዳን ሳይሆን በእጅጉ በትህትና ዝቅ እንድንልና ለድርድርና ለውይይት ራሳችን እንድናቀርብ የሚያስገድድ አደገኛ ደወል ነው። ምክንያቱም ደወሉ የዶክተር ደብረጽዮን ብቻ ሳይሆን ብዙዎች የትግራይ ተወላጆች የሚጋሩት በመሆኑ ነው። የትግራይ ህዝብ ወደዚህ ምዕራፍ የደረሰው በብዙ ውስብስብና አስገዳጅ ሁኔታዎች ተገዶ ጭምር መሆኑን መረዳት ተገቢ ይመስለኛል።”

        Therfore, Dear Fanti, the book I referred, I believe, is not in the category you implied. I hope you will have the chance to read it.
        Admassie A.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Admassie,

          I had accepted your clarification and called it a day, but I felt like talking again after listening to PM Abiy’s recent briefing because he addressed your #2 and #3 very well. EPRDF is stronger than it looks and it is far from fracturing. PMAA is in fact confident that it will eventually become a single party.

          PS:
          I promise I will find and read the book! Thanks again.

          • Admassie

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Well, that we now know was not obvious yesterday. And more so to the author. But what is important is the confirming of the PMAA that EPRDF is doing fine and I hope it stands so.

            Admassie A.

  • haileTG

    Hope

    Why are you saying this after I settled the issue with Alex? I thought you were a good Catholic, from what you told us in the past. It is sinful to dig up past conflicts. Hence, I don’t think you’ll make it to heave. I don’t want you to go to hell either. I pray that a halfway place be made just for you and one bull to fight you all the time. 🙂

    • Abi

      Hailachin

      This reminds me of your fight with General Nitricc where he lost all his teeth.
      Toothless General:)

      I think that bull prefers to go to hell than handling Hope’s testa and bugna!

      The best way to win the fight against Hope is to throw the towel. I don’t know what that poor bull is going to throw. May be he will play dead.
      Hope 1
      Bull 0
      Hope Nefse
      Grab the bull by the horns! Just like that!

      • haileTG

        Hey Abi,

        You remind me the good’ol days. Gen. Nitricc lost all his teeth. That’s why he went part timer here…too many visits to the dentist😃

    • Hope

      GM Hailat:
      Hahahah….In fact,what I said and how I said it makes me more Catholic.”Don’t judge,lest to be judged”!

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Kahsay Berhe and Wedi Bayre rock Meqelle with great verve and uplifting spirit when the bigots extraordinarae preach “Game Over” BS in tweeter feed as the directives trickle down from above. So much!

  • Blink

    Dear Hope
    Don’t believe these weyane guys . They are all out to make lies , listen to Getachew reda too . People like saay are selling this as truth just like Al shebab thing . Remember there are people who are bent to sale lies and some of the lies are the following.
    1. in 1994/5 Sudan vs Eritrea .. guilty party Eritrea.
    2. In Yemen case of Hanish guilty party Eritrea
    3. In Weyane vs Eritrea guilty party Eritrea
    4. Al shebab guilty Eritrea
    5. Djibouti guilty Eritrea

    All these guilty guilty guilty are all false but people are selling these as truth and the sad part about this is just as always a propaganda machine that we all know.

    Making lies about your own country in order to be sanctioned by the west . Refer to wiki leaks and you will find the truth.

  • JAQ

    Sahle,

    You didn’t answer the question. Are you denying that the regime in Eritrea has been abusing human rights?

    Of course you have seen more human rights abuse in the USA, by the simple fact of having a free press and 300+ million people you will be espoused to more everything in the USA, but does that mean human rights abuse in Eritrea is justified?

    Trying to silence the voices that justify and apologize for the human rights abuses that have been inflicted on an innocent people is not only justified, but is long over do.

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Sahle,

    I don’t know if you see what they do as defending the nation. What they do is collecting names, evidence and sending / reporting back to PFDJ security office in Eritrea so they can detain people they found to be unlucky in their lists.

    accusing them and pressing charge against them is one thing, but proving in court is totally different thing. But naming and shaming them for their association with the regime, I think it’s fair game. It’s free speech…let them come and defend the videos they appear conducting meetings, attending events as representatives of the government and deny it.

    Berhe

  • Brhan

    Hi Sahle
    Are you denying that the regime in Eritrea has been abusing human rights?

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Hope,

    I was not defending anyone at all. I was saying it does not make sense for the very government who gave a blanket amnesty to be looking for him for past crimes. I did not say anything about his guilt or innocence.

    By the way, did you realize you just blamed PM Abiy for releasing hard core criminals along with those petty criminals and innocents? That makes you a TPLFite fair and square! entuf entuf belo-:)

  • Brhan

    Hello Hope,
    Are you denying that the regime in Eritrea has been abusing human rights? Yes or No.

  • MS

    Ahlan AT
    I don’t see SAAY in the list; is it by accident that he is left out?

    • haileTG

      Haha Mahmuday,
      Don’t fall into the same trap as I did. Looking up for awatistas in the list will have you grovel in apology later. Look what happened to me when I looked up #38 above 😃

      • MS

        Ahlan Haylat
        U know I am messing around. Don’t you?

        • haileTG

          Hi Mahmuday,

          Me too:)

      • Paulos

        HaileTG,

        STF ain’t on the list either ☺.

        • haileTG

          Hi Paulos,

          እንታ ተካል፡ ነገር’ባ ከይተምጻለይ ፡) ኣነ’ኮ ስቲፍ እንተ ዘይተንኪፉኒ ኣይሰሃሎን’የ …Haha

    • Paulos

      Muhamuday,

      Was not so hoping to see you on the list but then heard you goes incognito as in alias. Perhaps, you are too good and way up on a league in an incripted list. Of course, messin with you.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam MS,

      MS has listed himself a long time ago. He is the capo of all lists, no need to be mentioned in the list above.

    • Amanuel

      Hi MS
      Had this list been drawn after the peace treaty of IA and Abiy, I am sure your name would been there. The only question would have been with which age group 60s or 40s.
      With love
      Amanuel

      • Hope

        Selam Amanuel Ze-London:
        Hope u r being sarcastic.
        Have u read Mahmuday Salih series of Articles about the PFDJ and its Officials,not to mention that he overtly and publically states the facts about and against the Regime we are trying to associate him with?

        And one more:
        He is one of the few that has taken that risk with his REAL and FULL ID!
        If people want him to say and to do things they want him to do,then that is bogus and hypocrisy as he is ENTITLED to his own of saying and doing things.

        Ask SAAY and he will prove you dead WRONG with links and ref .

        Plus,acknowledging few of the Regime achievements with an intent of giving credit to the hard working Eritreans is nothing but honesty and giving credit when due;and that is what he has done .

        I would do the same and that is what I have been trying to say and to do!
        If EXPOSING the PSEUDO-Eritrean Opposition is the issue,as it sounds to be the case,well,let them bark as that kind of opposition should be exposed and condemned further.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Hope
          It is humor and friendly advice.
          l

    • saay7

      Hala MaHmuday:

      ረቢ ልሳመሓካ

      ምስሎም ከረ “ረጂም ቸንጅ” ሸቀ ዓልኮ: ለ ከተብካሁ ሓቆ ረአው “በዲርማ ባህላም ዓልና ይኮን? እጅትማዕ ድሩሪ!” ቤለው ሕለት “ተፃባእቲ”…ወ ላ መሳሪፍ በጥራ 😡

      😂

      Saay

    • Ayneta

      Ala MS:
      …As a turncoat, your name should have been there….

  • Hayat Adem

    Alex

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Alex,
      Do one of the two: either ask and challenge or be 100% sure and disclaim, not both at the same time. But I do remember you writing that Awate.com spreads fake news like Aljezeera or something to that effect. I don’t have the time to comb through your all feeds all the way back just to disprove your disclaimer. That is not big enough a purpose for me. The little point I was trying to make is you don’t qualify to be counted among the silent majority. A silent majority is even timid or reserved enough to speak out in defense of reason. You are on the opposite side not just in supporting the regime but also in attacking others, the media at that, Awate at that.

  • haileTG

    Hi Hope,

    PFDJ supporters are No & No on both counts:

    1- They have supported the nullification of the constitution, involvement of regime in Somalia’s terror faction bringing the country close to being bombed to ruins by the USA and settling for sanctions that deprived it defense procurement, involvement of regime in Yemen’s internal and dangerous conflict, helped the regime in weakening and isolating the nation and shielded the regime to commit heinous crimes against the people there by damaging the long term unity of the nation. That and many more things is a definite NO for #1

    2 – Nihna nsu, nsu nhna is their self declared trademark. Say no more on #2

    • Hope

      Selam HTG:
      On Dictatorship, I though the Dictator himself testified that he is ONE.
      My take on your litany about the threats Eritrea has gone through;
      The Somali Allegation:
      1)The PFDJ Gov ‘supported Al Shebab,as a proxy war against the TPLF,which organized, trained and funded every kind of opposition and terrorist in the world against Eritrea,hence,it is a normal reaction for Eritrea to pay back in kind..
      To my best knowledge, the PFDJ didn’t intend and could NOT have intended to act against the US interest.
      The main and initial goal of the Al shebab (our type of ” Shebab-Youth Rebels)was to liberate and unite Somalia and the Somalis and we know the genesis of it and its goal. And as to why it changed its modus operandi.
      2)Erittrea tired its best to UNITE the Somalis by involving all the stake-holders but it was to the dislike of the TPLF and its Master,the USA.In reality, Eritrea’s approach was and could have been the more constructive one and it could have saved Somalia in particular and it could have worked for the best interest of the USA but the Amateur and unexperienced US Diplomats-the likes
      of Jendayi Frazer,whoi have no clue about diplomacy and the Horn, messed up and misunderstood the GoE’s approach albeit purposely….and listened to the evil PMMZ.
      Of course, the PFDJ messed up too the way it conducted itself but that should NOT be the case for the planned justification to
      Bomb Eritrea. We all know the intention and the agenda of the USA,don’t you?
      The Sanctions:
      You know very
      well as to how the sanctions were engineered and for what purpose
      The Yemen Saga:
      Not sure why you
      included the Yemen issue as a weakening factor here.
      The USA and the GCC as well as the State of Israel have been this mess, not to mention the Sudan and other African nations.
      Eritrea has had NO choice but to take advantage of getting involved in order to get out of the cold.
      In Geo-politics of national; Security Interest
      one ‘t stay “neutral” when staying Neutral is
      going to
      be against
      your National Security Interest.
      You balance the pros and cons and the risk-benefit ratio.
      Guess what?
      The PFDJ has done an ‘Excellent” job from that aspect, and if that is bothering you,well,I can’t help you buddy.
      Every geo-political Analyst including our enemies admired that reality.
      N.B.
      The fact that you totally shied away from mentioning
      the TPLF factor and that of the pseudo-Opposition mess
      speaks VOLUMES!

      • Hope

        Correction:
        Read as:
        “In Geo-politics of National Security Interest
        one can ‘t stay “neutral” when staying Neutral is
        going to be against your National Security Interest”.

  • haileTG

    Hi Hope,

    Yes or No (I believe it is a yes on both..)

    1 – Do you commit to Eritrea’s political and national independence?

    2 – Do you accept there is a dictatorship in Eritrea that should go ASAP?

    Assuming both are Yes & Yes, then all that remains is to pull your weight in any way you deem right to secure 1 & 2. You need not bother about anything else some one else does or doesn’t so long as they are not stepping on your toe. PFDJ apologists do not care about #1 and are against #2. They are not in this side of the floor.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Abisha,

    Heck, I forgot about you! I like “Urban Mass Mobilizer” too actually. I hope to find a way to make it up to you but I must have this one.

    His tenacity, how he defines Eritrean problems, how he presents clearly stated solutions for them, and his tenacity on those and similar topics is very admirable and educational. We need more such principled people in our molacha infested region.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Fanti,

      Solutions? What solutions?

      I would say hiding behind leftist identity-politics jargons he is obsessed with the idea of turning Eritrea into another Lebanon. Summary: No loyalty to the Nation State but only to an ethnic group or fellow co-religionists.

      • haileTG

        Hi Simon,

        The point is to welcome everyone within the limits of a basic commitment to the integrity of the Eritrean nation. Beyond that why would we judge and dismiss? By what authority or assumption do we do so? Can a concept of opposition to an opposition be productive.? As you dismiss one person, another one will come to dismiss your views too. Where does that take us? Can all Eritreans have freedom of thought and right to follow what makes sense to them? Let’s enter a new era that we are all valued as citizens of one nation and not for individual views we hold.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Simon Kaleab,

        Actually, I know no one more loyal to the “Nation State” as Mr. Amanuel (GW) is. What may look like his focus on ethnic group, which he refers to social groups, is not necessarily an isolated and only belief but part of his examples to what the problems are are their potential solutions as he sees them.

        A nation, especially one in Africa, is sum of its social group parts. Understanding background and ills of those parts including presenting possible solutions does not negate but reinforce being loyal to the nation as a whole.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate,
    It is very important news and my input is as follows:
    1. This list includes only the US, we have to work hard to include the other list of names from the rest of the Western world.
    2. What to do with them. We have to establish a case against them based in their respected countries laws about collaborating with regime that abuses basic human rights.
    3.Every one of us meets the die hard puppets of the regime in social gatherings propagating for the regime instead of respecting the social gatherings. These has also to be included to the list # 2 is applicable to them.

    Thanks Awate for good journalism work

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Brhan,

      I think compling the list is very important and it will be a good way to start to identifiy clearly who the backbone of the regime are.

      I don’t see Toronto in the list but and based on the number of trusted PFDJ operatives, the list looks very small.

      Recently there was an event for አንዳርጋቸው in Toronto (last week) and the PFDJ representative of Toronto were given VIP seats in front.
      If you google below

      “አቶ አንዳርጋቸው ጌ ኢሳት የመጀመርያውን ጠንሳሽ ግሩም ይልማ መሆኑን ለመጀመርያ ጊዜ አሳወቁ፡፡” you will find the list. At 18:30 minutes, አንዳርጋቸው givens them acknowledgement for the Eritrean delegates.

      I see two people that I know are really active with the PFDJ. The guy in the middle:
      1) Middle – Temesghen Haileab – Current head of PFDJ of something (been there since the time he come to Toronto in the 90s) – in his mid 50s
      2) to his right – Simon Tekle (wedi Qeshi – same for this guy. Early 50s..

      The others I know them but I am not sure how significant roles they have. Others can elaborate more.

      Berhe

      • Paulos

        Berhino,

        How about Wedi Foto and Wedi Kuchi?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Paulo,

          I don’t think so. They are just small type kinds.

          Wedi foto is smart, he gets involved where the money is to be made and gets his afare..like something with the sports …or preparing flyers..

          Wedi Kuchi (assuming you are reffering to B.), I think he is just empty guy who lives the legacy of his father or the live he had in asmara. He never appear to be me as smart, over achiever guy but mostly as a show off …not sure how deep is involved with the regime..

          Berhe

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Abdulworld,

    Those diaspora Eritreans during the struggle who were supporting and contributing financial help to that effect were not Silent, they were active. For me the phrase “Silent majority” is not real for no one know them as whether they are majority or not. It is simple assumptions.

  • Ayneta

    Merhaba HTG:
    While there is some appeal to your premise, I think it has been tried for the last several years with no tangible results. True DIA is the brain and the heart behind the current set of affairs, the rest are just appendages at best. But DIA- focused strategy has proven to be ineffective and I doubt it will work in the future. Allow me to throw few lines in this effort.
    1. The opposition needs a new leader with a new focus. All it requires is the emergence of a pragmatic leader with broad-based appeal. Take Dr. Abby’s case. He emerged from relative obscurity and took the country if not the region by storm. Few expected for things to change in Ethiopia with such a speed. I remain hopeful, this much needed leader will surface up one day and take us to the ”promised land”.
    2. The message has to be off the called ‘IA is this and IA is that”. The message has to be clearly articulated in a way that gives sense to the majority of the people, lift their hopes and not dwell in the past. It cant afford to be about how IA has screwed up, but rather what the future holds and how the country can live to future prospects and challenges. I would even go to the extent that the message should not attempt to shed negative light on IA and his catastrophic policies, but rather how the country may be lifted up from the mess it is now by projecting a brilliant future. What the people need is hope and not further antagonization. People in desperate situations gravitate towards the audacity of hope to use Obama’s famous phrase. Take Hillary Clinton’s failed campaign. It was void of any meaningful premise that was appealing to the voters. It was solely based on attacking the personality and integrity of Trump. It produced a stunning defeat in otherwise winnable contest.
    3. While I love our fighters, they should assume passengers role and let the young generation mold the future. They are way too compromised and don’t have the political culture and willingness to forge a society as we imagine it. This is a sensitive issue that needs to be handled carefully, but in an effort to call a spade a spade, Ghedil-based mentality has to be relegated to the basement and kept there as a souvenir for history. I sincerely think Ghedli-based politics is a colossal liability to the country. 30 years of epic disaster is a good testament to that!.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Ayneta,
      I have a relative who lives in apartment that faces one of the main streets in Asmara. She is so funny and very smart. We met three years ago in Europe. And she told us her husband is always the first to get out of bed

      • Nowinc

        Hayst,
        What does change look like, as seen throgh apartment window?

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Nowinc,
          Good question.
          I don’t know for sure but in the context of Asmara, I visualize it to be a feel of freedom in people’s faces smiling, high-fiving, hugging etc in streets. Seriously though, you would know and feel it from the streets without having someone to call you or to tune to the media, wouldn’t you?

      • Paulos

        Selam Hayatina,

        Don’t we all see through the window [computer screen] every morning if there is any positive change in Eritrea?

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Ayneta,

      Thanks for this input, as it clarifies some key points:

      When I said the most unifying approach is to direct the opposition towards IA, it is not the same as those who do it for personal reasons or in such like manners. It is about the activities, policies and other terror that he implements to hold on to power.

      It is about the constitution, those unlawfully detained, the economic, social, political blockade that has been placed on the populace, about the abrogation of the basic premise that was a reason for Ghedli, about the youth whose lives are wasted, the right of movement and association….

      As a matter of fact, the only one point that readily unify the vast opposition is everyone’s desire to see him go. So, even in this sense he is a bridge to the internal and diaspora based opposition. Almost every thing else we can bring on the table is premature and technically illegal. We can only raise any other concern with the Eritrean people freed and fully included in it. It is natural for people to have different types of political associations, but we should first give way for one hell of an avalanche that will sweep the dictator out of power.

      I understand that such points can be seen as tested before and not yielding, but anything else is slippery slop. However, even from moral point of view, if we were to say to an Eritrean youth in conscription trying to decide whether to cross the Mediterranean or not that there is no hope for him. That advocating for him by targeting the dictator is a tested and failed case, wouldn’t be something we feel comfortable doing. The pressure to be kept up is what the youth would ask.

      I hope this clarifies that I am not advocating for cartoon political satire against IA, but a carefully calculated approach to unify the opposition and apply pressure where it should be felt most.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Sometimes an interesting conversation comes up at the end of a mountain of comments and discussions that it is hard to let is slip by. With such intent, I would like to pull up a comment by Alex that seems common place view until one takes a closer examination. Here is Alex’ reply to one of my comments (small side note: what is attributed to “me stating..” isn’t accurate though):

    Hi HTG,
    I agree with your points above. I count myself part of the silent majority. I know so many of my friends or family members are not swayed by the opposition since like what you state above they spend most of their energy and time on PIA and that is a turn off too many. So let the opposition unify into one and tell the people what they can do differently so they can get the support they need to challenge PFDJ power monopoly.

    Dear Alex,

    In fact, an opposition that “spends most of their energy on IA” are the safest bet of the various types you would find. Focusing on IA means dealing with the day to day policy issues of the country. It means dealing with bread and butter issues, rule of law issues, national cohesion and common purpose issues. Let’s see the alternative:

    1- the opposition that is totally silent, that neither supports this or that. Entay gedisuni type. This opposition is called silent majority, Somalia had millions like that prior to the collapse of Said Barre.

    2 – The opposition that seeks to break up the country and join one half to neighboring country.

    3 – The opposition that seeks to killilize the country along ethnic lines

    4 – The opposition that seeks to establish religious government

    5- The Opposition that seeks to fight for its ethnic group

    6- The opposition that is caught up on old ghedli era animosity

    …and many others.

    Unless we believe IA is a permanent fixture that will never go anywhere, when time comes for his regime to be no more, these are the choices. The opposition against IA and his leadership is the most unifying of all in as far as transition is concerned. Once transition is set in motion, some of the above my be addressed in a way that would address the wish of the people and maintain the integrity of the nation building process within a context of realizing the Eritrea Concept.

    In fact, it would be most risky of choices for you to entertain rejecting or undermining the opposition that is wholly focused on IA. That is called a safe house of oppositioning:)

    NB: some of the above listed question may well be legitimate, but with a likely power vacuum after a collapse of a long term dictatorship, such questions can’t be the first order of business.

    • abdulworld

      Hello HTG,
      I generally find your inputs insightful and much needed… I understand Alex view and I think part of it is generational.
      “family members are not swayed by the opposition since like what you state above they spend most of their energy and time on PIA and that is a turn off too many.”

      This is point of view from silent majority is fairly accurate. To most people the mentality of PDJF and some folks in opposition is so similar except one has no power. This is something that the Eritrean opposition has not been able to change.
      By the Opposition I am talking about the offshoot of former ELF… Also now you can include recent folks part of post-Gedhli generation.. Here are some of my personal observations:

      1. If the Opposition is going to have an impact the Gedhli generation folks need to play secondary role. The baggage is dangerous and heavy.

      2. Post-Gedhli generation folks need play primary role and leadership

      3. Opposition can have an impact with Silent Majority official making and encouraging and celebrating this generational role change. Dr. Abiy a 42 year Phd already has impressed Eritrean and Ethiopian…

      4. Generational role change will instantly communicate to silent majority we are different and we care about future and we want to leave past behind.

      5. Circa 1980s type of Conference need to stop.. the days that Conference or Meeting feel like Politburo event are done.
      Conference events and presentations should be more prepared, transparent with participation. People can even view them online. Material and language needs to be professional quality. English and Tigrinya writing needs to be quality.
      Any Eritrean any where in world with internet can participate.
      There are tools like google “sli.do” sli.do is good tool get the Silent Majority to participate… let them vote on question to ask

      6. We have realize we can’t change the mind of some “True Believers”.

      But there many in Eritrean community that want a better future for their people. Those people we have find the best way to influence. And remember if we are not influencing the silent majority it is not because of PDJF- a better and productive question should be
      “How does the Eritrean Opposition communicate their message and vision more effectively to silent Eritrean majority?”
      The silent majority is Silent because we are not effective communicators?

      7. The more the Opposition spends on IA and PJDF- the less we focus on our vision and tools and method to bring our vision across..

      8. 2008 Obama ran a strong campaign- he didn’t care about Mccain.. He didn’t spend time telling how bad Bush was… How bad the republicans were… he was focused on his message with “Hope”… How do we use Obama-like communication on the Cheap to motivate Silent majority…

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi HTG,
      That was an interesting take except that the claimer (Alex) has never been part of the majority nor silent. He often defended the regime. I remember, a couple of times he has also accused Awate.com as fake news bearers in defense of the regime. Who (in the silent majority) would go out of his way to defend a criminal regime and accuse a media that works on exposing those crimes!?

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Hayat,

        I know Alex is more of a pro regime than silent. However, the new venture I am trying out is:

        1 – as long as any Eritrean accepts and abids by the tenets of one, indivisible, independent Eritrea

        2 – then a blanket political menqesaqesi will be issued for every one to move from any view to any other view as many times as they wish without questions asked.

        • Alex

          Hi HaileTG,
          It’s is unfortunate to accuse me as a pro regime with out any evidence. I am my own man with nationalistic inclination who hate PFDJ propagandist or TPLF apologist. The problem with some people like your self and hayat is if some body challenge you on fact like what I did with you regarding the Eritrean colleges you label.

          • haileTG

            Hi Alex,
            My opolpgy. You have a point.

      • Alex

        Hi Hayat,
        You have no credibility to accuse me for defending the ERI Gov. I defended EPLF and Warsay which I was part off from your false accusation few month ago.

        • Blink

          Dear Alex
          She will accuse you more , what you have to do is hold on your line. She doesn’t like anyone who defend EPLF or Warsay for the obvious reasons but to accuse you of such is just like what she said
          1. Eritrea got 1.5 billion birr free
          2. ELF burned Tigrinya villages
          3. PFDJ planted bomb in millennium square
          4.PM A is destroying Ethiopia

          The list can be extended but what does it matter.

          I believe it is a privilege to defend All Eritrean revolutionaries as well as Warsay because without these people Eritrea would be just like Ogaden or kilil Tigray .

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile TG and abdulword,

      The inputs both you have provided drew my attention – each for different reason. Very briefly, what Haile is saying is this: cause and owners cannot be separated. IA has a cause to defend and sustain. In other words, he has intalled a system and fights tool and nails to keep it. Thus, says Haile, campaigning on the cause only and sparing the defender or owner of the cause does not hold water and qualifies to faulty logic. Thus, the two are organically linked. Understanding this link unites stakeholders of whatever nature as he listed them. Such interests that can be dealt with in the framework of the democratic social contract that should replace the contract void owner and his cause: IA and his despotic regime. This much about Haile’s sensible line of thinking.

      [A]bdulword jumped in with remedies he thought could work. But, before I comment on some points of his take, I would like to digress about comments of a third contributor: Ayneta. His thoughts are similar to abdulword’s. But, I was driven away by just one statement that emptied his take of seriousness. He finished by asserting that part of the Eritrean people’s history was “30 years of epic disaster”. This implies that he is not comfortable with the result of those 30 years of blood and sweat: independent and sovereign nation. That is why I thought, with due respect of course, lacking in seriousness.

      Now, back to the inputs of abdulworld. Luckily I should say, he is less severe than Ayneta in his verdict of the so called ghedli, which for me is misnomer. He says that the ghedli generation should step back to marginal role and leave the field for new generation because, according to his thought they constitute “baggage” with unbearable weight without telling the reader why he thought them as “dangerous” and “heavy”. He suggests that leadership should be entrusted to the post ghedli generation, But, worthy leaders in societies emerge from within the ranks and rise to prominence and recognition and get endorsement. I mean the so called living ghedli generation should not be blamed for not installing the young on leadership positions.

      Here, the dreadful misconception is that the working organizations with ghedli background and experience are taken block the way to young generation as matter of policy, which is not the case at all, and is infact unjust. The younger generations have become victims of skillful and heavily dubious propaganda of the regime that expertly mixes everthing ranging from distorted leftist ideology through sectarian-cum-regional reactionary attitudes to jingoistic patriotism. This pattern can easily discerned from surveying the journey of Isayas and group from the days of their manifesto up to the present time. Just contemplate on the so called “mekete” propaganda projects at different time targent different challenges. This well funded and orchestrated campaingn have been denying the opposition forces chance to recruit promising younger elemets to their ranks and nourish them to emerge to leadership positions. I know no opposition (mainstream) organization that insists on imposing pre-liberation ideas and ideological convictions to govern the country. All their programs are secular and democratic. The problem is the young have been persuaded to make their mind to blanket dismiss anything about those organizations declare or say. How of the gentlemen and ladies have read the programs of ENSF,EPDP and many others and formed their opinions?

      Moreover, one witness the opinions get swayed by recent events and leaders they generate. One example is that many, Ayneta included, take Dr. Abij as model who emerged from oblivion, which of course is not true. This man started his ascent or emergences from very early age from the ranks of the OLF. He continued from the ranks of the army and then OPDO while preparing himself with the education he need for that dream. The issue with him was simply circumstance brought chance his way and got recognition and endorsement. The fact is that he used not advertize his ascent on the ladder of power at every rung. Othewise it is a mistake that he came from no where and assumed his current function.

      Now, I would like to write a few things about a point I reserved for closing remarks. This about the deal making or breaking “silent majority” in Eritrea’s quest of change on which the discussion under this thread revolves. After reading abdulword’s views, one cannot help but ask as who the silent majority is. In Haile’s case, it’s clear because all who fall under the 6 points and more are the target silent majority. However, for abdulword the silent majority involves Tigrinya and English speaking Eritrea. His preferred young leadership should upgrade, materially equip and professionalize those two mediums of transmission to communicate with English, Tigrinya and internet savvy audience that make up the silent majority. Reading this, I felt that, with due respect, abdulworld’s Eritrea is drastically circumsribed, and it seemed to me he is one of the unlucky who had not been part of the “zura nmeretka” folks who visit dwellers such as Wia, Qohaitu, Gembeba, Mogolo, moraguz, Tekeret, Galuj etc. How many of those does he think are literate, own television sets, radios and internet to follow communications with refined English and Tigrinya the new generation leadership would transmit?

      Thus, the silent majority Haile TG had (please correct me if I misrepresent you) includes by and large the principal stakeholders in change comprising the population inside the country plus the diaspora discributed in their respective social groups across board of the nation in totality.

      Cheers, (please forgive for probable typo mistakes, coherence or word choice. These thoughts were scribbled with hast due to time pressure).

      • abdulworld

        Hello Ismael,
        I don’t know how to exactly how to respond to your comments except to say you are making case for me. First some clarification.
        1. If start in bottom- I don’t know what this “zura nmeretkta” folks are.. all my comments and statement are directed to folks in diaspora- so whatever strategy or approach I am recommending is for diaspora….

        2. The hard reality is that Gedhli generation is slowly dying out. That natural cycle of things. 80%+ of Ethiopian are below age of 30- that is why Dr. Abiy resonates with them. Whether there is active drive to initiate generational change in leadership or not- it will happen.

        3. I don’t think younger generation at least in diaspora are mixed or confused. There is large percentage of them that are educated and can think for themselves and see horror of what is happening to their people in world stage and want to change that. So, given the platform, message, and tools they can best agent for change… a significant part of Bernie sanders follower and active team were younger generation. This view that you have that “young generations have become victims of skillful and dubious propaganda”…..
        This is just fancy way of saying we don’t know how to connect and reach and influence them… we don’t have those kind of skills.. so we will say they are…
        If they make up more 80% of population- they are the majority and future and energy should be expanded toward them.

        4. I still believe the Gedhli generation has baggage- I know a few things about the “Nihnan Illamanan”… but I also know it is document that was written nearly 50 years ago by some college drop outs with minimal education and social intelligence. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that it was copy and paste of other documents flying around in 1960’s revolutionary heydays with mix Eritrean leadership dysfunctionality…. So- why is document relevant and to whom? And how does it that document help the future of Eritrea and Eritrea children and grandchildren. Why should the future of Eritrean be chained to lack of leadership skills, vision, illiteracy and horrible decisions made by some semi-illiterate college drops who spent more time convincing Eritrean people to butcher each other than fight a foreign occupier.
        For me how the ELF and EPLF addressed their issues and difference is best reflection or example of deleterious decision making and bad leadership. Every Eritrean should study the decision-making and conflict resolution style of that generation to learn what not to do.

        As long as Gedhli generation is stuck on these things.. their mind will not be spent building solid organization that offer a viable, pragmatic organization or vision for future. Gedhli generation are always looking at rearview mirror so they will never see the future.

        • Saleh Johar

          Abdulworld,
          Your explanation is, I am afraid, too shallow.

          1. The Diaspora is just a catalyst, and the rest of the world is not Eritrean Zobas.

          2. A popular struggle is not age denied, anyone can do his part.

          3. Entry is open, there is no barrier, if you want to go silent, majority or otherwise, it is your choice–regardless of age.

          4. There is no red carpet to be given or to be had. No one gives up his right to struggle, but the more committed know how to open a path for themselves–remember there is no entry barrier to the struggle.

          5. It is a folly to focus on trivial matters, the luggages you talk about is not new, it was with us since the 1940s. Therfore, it is a social problem not age specific. Unless the society resolves the luggage problem, they will be there many generations later. This era has inherited it from the past, it didn’t create it.

          6. The ELF-EPLF is just one link in the long chain of the struggle–it’s unfair, untenable, and wicked to accuse a specific generation of those ills.

          7. If you follow Eritrean discourse, the young make up I would say over 90% of the activists are between 30 and 40 of age. Except the diehard older generation, there is not one blocking anyone from waging a struggle in the way they see fit.

          8. The older generation do not have a baton they can give to anyone or a throne they can invite others to. to.

          9. Blame game, teh sort of -I failed so let me blame the older gys is a counter productive message disseminated by thoe who want to deny the struggle its historical continuation.

          10. You are not sharing any fresh news or wisdom when you say, the old will die! Dah! Of course, they will. And if you are forty, you will turn fifty in ten years. What is new? Isn’t that the way life is? Unless you are willing to explain and defend that the struggle should be exclusive to those in the X age group.

          11. Let me go personal: I am not in your favorite age-group. What should I do? Surrender my right to you, for example, if you are as young as are insinuating? Do I pick a gun and kill myself because apparently, I am preventing you from struggling? What do you advise me to do, and how can I help you realize your brilliant vision for the age-specific struggle?

          12. If you do0 not know it, let me tell you this: our struggle has been targeted by so many naive and so many wicked designs to hasten its disintegration and kill it altogether. That is what intelligence entities and vested people do. The dividing schemes along religious, regional, partisan and other divides are being implemented relentlessly. One of them is dividing the opposition along age groups and if that works, probably divide it along the color of the eyes, or the height of individuals and the end is, well, endless.

          I suggest you focus on workable inputs that will strengthen the opposition that dividing it more than it is divided.

          Thank you for giving me the chance to repeat what I have been saying on Paltalks, skypes, articles, and other occasions.

          • Blink

            Dear SG
            Also without the old there is no way the young can hold anything together. Eritrean revolution without the old people who fought to hills wouldn’t have succeeded. there are many types of old as many types of young too. What we all need is narrow our differences for the sake of taking down PFDJ after that Eritreans can decide their destiny. All Bright Future members are young yet I choose to die than looking at them , there are many ugly youngsters too for example these people I mentioned will demand you to insult our founders. So as you explained it is not age the problem.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            That is why I get irritated when people come and pass judgments when they have no clue what they are commenting on. Indeed, I have been repeating age has nothing to do with integrity or love of a country. Yet, every now and then someone pops up to diagnose the sickness without knowing who is suffering from it. The lazy way is to throw it haphazardly and hope it will stick somewhere. Now, let’s subscribe the medicine, even if the sick doesn’t know he has the malady, someone else will have to take pills on their behalf. It’s LAZY, very Lay.

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah SJ,
            Thank you for letting me spare time. I would not have commanded the style and technique you have used to explain things to my brother abdulword and actually all of us.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam dear abdulworld,

          I can notice that we are looking at issues from different trajectories. But let clarify a point which I should have explained why it was used. This is “zura nhagerka” cliche, if I may use the term. I would like to unequivocally state no sarcasim or negative attitude was intended because I hate to offend any person. I just used it as point of emphasis and nothing else.

          So, please accept my regret if you had read in it anything remotely approaching anything beyond a way of stressing the point. Perhaps, had you explained before hand that your target group was (diaspora) I would have not needed to use that cliche.

          Thank you for engaging.

      • haileTG

        Hi Ismail,

        Man! you have such an elegant thought processes. I read your writing twice, the first time to get it and the second time just for the heck of it, to enjoy it!

        I think you summarized my part nicely in the first paragraph. Actually, since the pressing question is how to unite the vast opposition around a common goal, it occurred to me that may be if we shed those that divide us then, naturally, what is left should unite us. Hence I started crossing out every possible divisive point and …aha…our opposition to IA was found hiding deep inside as the common thread that unite us all. What is more:

        1- It is the only cause that is urgent for our suffering people and legitimate in the eyes of the world community

        2 – It is one single factor that speaks to both the diaspora and the home front in a common language

        3 – It affords us time to promote tolerance and respect of each other on issues that are unique to particular groups

        4 – It enhances our challenges with projecting positive optics so outsiders can be optimistic with the prospect of change in the world’s few remaining outposts of brutal dictatorship.

        Now, what other common approach than taking IA head on would come close in its efficiency? None. With the upcoming Geneva meetings, I hope this gets some considerations.

        • saay7

          Selamat HaileTG:

          ….or….

          90% + of Eritrea’s problems are cause by PFDJ
          90% + of PFDJs problems are IA

          ipso facto 81% + of Eritrea’s problem is IA.

          The solution reveals itself.

          saay

          • haileTG

            Merhaba saay,

            I was listening to the VOA interview of a visit to Ksad E’qa by representatives of the town of Rama, Tigray. What caught my attention was
            1- when they said that it was their own initiative and didn’t ask permission of their local government.Imagine if it was reps from Ksad E’qa were to do that on their own accord? Unthinkable and clear reminder that what abusing your people does to their self esteem.

            2 – When they said that they observed that the residents of Ksad E’qa had initial apprehension whether the Tigrayans were as interested in peace as their central govt. It reminded me some of the documentaries I watch on first meetings with uncontacted peoples in the Amazon:) Thanks to PFDJ information blackout…

          • saay7

            MerHab HaileTG:

            Pro-justice artists Kahsay Berhe and Solomon Baire went to Mekele for Ashenda 2018 to dance and celebrate with Tigrayans too. I have noticed that the G-1 have not had their usual meltdown.

            One of the Tigrayan generals recalls a time when his helicopter landed around Senafe area and the town elders approached him and after confirming they are ሰበ ስልጣን they told him that if you (Eritrean and Ethiopian governments) leave it to us, we (the people of Eritrea and Tigray) know each other’s territories down to the last tree. When I heard this, I was (a) sad that the Tigrayan General is narrating the story now instead of when it would have mattered and (b) was deeply worried about the fate of the Eritrean elders as the spiteful PFDJ would arrest them for talking to the enemy and undermining its obviously insipid way it ended up handling the issue.

            saay

          • dave

            Selam Saay:
            Saay I know its off topic your coment provoked me to write this for your information yes Gen Tsadkan came on helicopter to senafe and the elders approached him and asked security for civilians because there were incidents in the town from the military including one rape case.
            Credit to Tsadkan he listened to the elders among other issues immediately he ordered to the commander on that area to open a public relations office and asked the elders to report any incidents to that office gave them assurances for every question they raised I know these.
            Guess what the elders who spoke to him immediately arrested after Woyane withdraw from senafe some of them freed after one month interrogation and another about 3 of them we never sew them again their family up to know the don’t know what happened to them it’s very sad.

          • saay7

            Selam dave:

            I am just writing because I can’t possibly upvote your comment. I wish Disqus had “thank you for sharing this news, but it is another terrible news” button.

            saay

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Haile TG.

          Thank you for the compliment; I just try to do my very modest bit in the debate that get enriched by erudite and sharp minds.
          Having said that, I believe it’s expedient in politics to focus on common target while not neglecting the aftermath of change to think and plan on favorable resolutions for outstanding problems that divide the stakeholders. The social contract you had alluded to is an imperative for such endeavor.

          By the way, the line of thinking you excellently presented was discussed before in this forum. I had the honor of engaging in back and forth exchanges with our brother Yohannes Zerai ( I miss that guy) on the basis of the points your had raised in paragraph two of this entry. We had convergent views that the opposition should restructure itself on terms of progressive programs and do not be impeded and encumber itself by impractical all-embrassing single formation. Emergence of such movement can forge to become a mainstream opposition fit to attract wider base capable to challenge the regime.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      “Silent majority” as the name signifies, are not active but expect to see change from others. Change could not come from being “Silent.” Change comes from those who fight openly to their cause. Therefore, the prime purpose of the “Silent citizen” to fight for their private lives. They don’t fight for the “collective purpose” and “collective values.” So the “Silent citizens” have already made up their mind to be Silent. They are section of our society who waits change without being part of the change.

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

        They have the right to be silent. No? Furthermore, we are fighting for everyone to own that fundamental right including if their motto is, ዝነገሰ ንጉስና ዝበረቐ ጻሓይና። No?

        • haileTG

          Hello Paulos,
          Emma has a well defined political stand that is positive for future Eritrea. He promotes equitable share in the nation by all social groups. He has excellent view on how the old administrative regions can be used as a bases for the way forward. He believes the dominant groups have moral duty to speak up as a brother”s keeper should. However, he does get misunderstood and sometimes abused by those political menqesaqesi controllers. He is a veteran who stood in line of fire for his country in his days. If we now demolish the DoM for good, I am certain his great ideas will find room to blossom.

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            Pro-bono or you pressed on the timer to charge on hourly bases [Just messin with you]? If there is anyone whose badge of honor is unflinching principle, it is this honorable man where the rest of us are proud to be around him in this Forum. Emma is simply an extraordinary citizen through and through.

            That said, having read his articles and comments over the years, his intellectual signature if you will is equitable social engagement in tandem with proportional political reward. How about dictatorship of the majority, one may argue for the simple fact that, in politics and in social dynamics, the whole is exactly the summation of its parts. To some degree, the lose of one is the gain of someone else. It is a trade off. The challenge is, how do we narrow down the price of trade offs.

            Here I like to bring John Rawls’ brilliant treatise on “A Theory of Justice” and the problematic nature of “Distributive Justice” in a bid to strike what he called “Justice as Fairness.” I quote his two brilliant brilliant postulates:

            I. Society should be structured so that the greatest possible amount of liberty is given to its members, limited only by the notion that the liberty of anyone member shall not infringe upon that of any other member.

            II. Inequalities either social or economic are only be allowed if the worst off will be better off than they might be under an equal distribution.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Haile TG & Dr. Paulos,

            I am so glad to “hear” your recognition of Mr. Amanuel’s quality, vision, and his integrity to the ideals you mentioned. I have always admired his clearly stated vision for Eritrea and his time tasted patriotic zeal. I have coined the following phrase to describe him and I hope it catches on: “Government Walking.”

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            Government walking, it is!

            Shifting…rumor mill is in full drive about Getachew Assefa and an alleged arrest warrant issued on him. Do you know if it is true?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos,

            I heard the rumor too but it is unlikely.

            1. From the time he was peacefully removed til now is too short a time for him to have committed any serious crime, investigated, and his arrest warrant issued.

            2. If he is wanted for past crimes, then the “forgiveness” for all past sins offered by PM Abiy has to have been annulled and all crimes and criminals would have to be checked which does not seem to be the case.

            3. No major news media has reported it.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            It is just amazing the fact that Isaias is accused of crimes that could amount to against humanity including the people around him and the very people who apologize for Isaias are spreading the rumor. If truth is to be told, the great Engineer was killed when the intelligence was slacking due the fact that Getachew was removed when in fact nothing of that magnitude happened under his watch for the last 20 plus years or so.

            P.S. Alula on his FB said it is not true.

          • Blink

            Dear Fanti
            Esat repeated the news about Getachew today . Do you remember the breaking news about Meles news in Esat ?

            By the way Mr.Amanuel thing is simply not true.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat blink,

            Is ESAT news media or an opposition with a TV station? I honestly don’t think it is a news outlet. Almost all they present is an opinion formed to look like news.

            A discussion forum that talks exclusively about TPLF 24/7 cannot possibly be a news media. I see it as an anti-TPLF propaganda outlet and nothing more.

            I don’t mean to nitpick on words but my opinion about Mr. Amanuel Hidrat, aka “Government Walking,” can only be right or wrong but not true or false. Since I am never wrong (Meharene Christos), it can only be right. Now, shoot!

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            Can you believe people actually waste their time watching ESAT? Pathetic!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos,

            I am blessed like no other with several very kind and intelligent aunts, but the oldest and my absolute favorite always said “ካብ ሓሳዊ ፈታዊ ሓቀኛ ጸላኢ ሃበኒ (ከውሸታም ወዳጅ ሓቀኛ ጠላት ስጠኝ)” and I never understood it well until late in life. That statement has been profoundly true throughout my life.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            As the French say it, “Dieu s’il vous plait me protéger de mes amis.”

          • Alex

            Hi Paulos,
            What is wrong with watching ESAT. Is it because you find them to be unfair to TPLF. I for one use to watch them before and some of their members like Ermias and sisay are very knowledgeable when it comes to Ethiopia politics.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            I wanted to shoot but St Paul is protecting you. I wait and wait and wait …

          • Paulos

            Abinism,

            Every thing I say comes with a condition. Abinism is off limits. You ain’t included in my tantrums.

          • Blink

            Dear Fanti
            Yes Yes , I know . Many people discredit their view and now , no more . Infact these you are accusing are much powerful than you think and if you did not give attention to what they say , you better now. They are credible as any Ethiopian news organization. ENN was credible to someone, aigaform , awrmba and others were credible too . I better listen to Ermias and Abebe gelaw and his peers than to Daniel brhane and even ETV . The fact they give opinions about TPLF doesn’t reduce the quality of news they report. Esat apologis when they made a mistake and such is unheard of any news organizations in Ethiopia or Eritrea.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            If I would say I do not understand Amanuel Hidrat and what he stands for, I should either be cynic through and through or my knowledge of Eritrea as nation-state is severely curtailed. One can differ with him on approach to realization of what he advocates. But clarity of vision and consistency is flawless. And, I believe when all is said and done, Eritrea’s survival as nation-state, I dare say, will depend on acceptance or denial of what he states with unquestionable power and persistence.

        • Aligaz G

          Paulos

          The generation gap is really showing. Abdul is referring to the silent majority in the American fashion. The silent majority Nixon style is best represented by a Middle America of mythology uninterested and unimpressed by high profile shenanigans inside the beltway but whose votes make or break national elections. He wants to contest for this salt of the Earth segment of the population (in the Eritrean diaspora context) but is not convinced that the old outreach methods still work.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            The comparison between the Nixon silent majority generation and the Eritrean version suffers limitation in the sense that when the former opted silence borne out of cynicism, the latter is out of abject fear where they chose to play it safe instead.

            With in this high rise sealed room analysis, cruel reality bulldozes the room if the crisp analysis has any bearing on the Eritrean people not in North America, Europe or Australia among others but those who are with in the enclave of cruel dictatorship—in Eritrea.

            Isaias doesn’t live in someone’s over active imagination, in Eritrea instead and the question is, who would be able to traverse the bridge between imagination and reality and hung a bell around the feline’s neck. That is the ultimate real deal!

          • Aligaz G

            Paulos

            Admittedly the silent majority bit was a stretch to begin with but then you went and pretzled it 🙂 The point is while Abdul is new school maybe you should listen to what he is trying to say. The new generations raised in the US have a completely different world view from you and me. Are you sure the old veterans will be able to mobilize them? I also get from his posts an emphasis on organizing which is basic. All in all he is fundamentally solid in his approach in my opinion.

            cheers

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dr. Paulos & Aligaz,

            If I understood correctly the two views points both of you have articulated, I think each one of them captures the issue of silent majority in its own right. I mean they are sufficiently potent. As you might have followed, I had some conversation with abdulword just yesterday.

            But before I write a few things of my understanding of abdulword’s views, allow me to briefly state my understanding of the silent majority set up in current Eritrean affairs vis-a-vis the regime. Generally, silent majority is stance or attitude mass of people take or adopt in relation to contradictions within a given societal set up that may be of various nature. The broader segment of the population becomes unaligned, indifferent and uninvolved in favor or against protagonists of particular contradictory issue. Members of within that category look at the issues of conflicts or disputes from individual (personal) interest perspective. Their neutrality has range of distance: they remain uninvolved and aloof as long as the conflicts do not threaten their interests.

            Having digressed from the issue at hand, let me state my understanding of abdulword’s views on the silent majority which I learned today from his response to mine. I realized that he looks at issue of the Eritrean diaspora silent majority through the USA electoral mobilization trajectory. In the sense of Dr. Paulos’ view, how any mobilized Eritrean diaspora majority would weigh in to change the equation of change in correlation to the much larger silent majority inside the homeland requires another discussion.

            Nevertheless, other roles remaining neutral (intervention of the army for example), it’s the linkage of these two ends that can play role in effecting game change. The exclusivity of abdulword views relates to the dynamic or agency that he believe should be assigned to shake up his target group. He believes that only the young ( not specified in terms of age group) are competent to do the job. He seems to be convinced that his target group has no ears and hearts for the liberation era generation. But the point that he wittingly or unwittingly skips is that a good chunk of Eritrean diaspora is populated by the members of the generation whose participation he considers liability.

            Here rests the weakness of his contention or argument because given experience and organization, ignoring that force worsens the impediment abdulword wishes to exclude because a good and pragmatic political mobilizer would see the expedient in merging two generations, not antagonizing them.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Many thanks for the rejoinder where you have eloquently illustrated Abdulworld’s take on the issue.

            My contention is that the very term to describe a majority [With in the Eritrean context] is misplaced for they are neither silent nor vocal, they are morally depleted who have lost the meaning of a normal life altogether. Consequently, the struggle to bring them to the fore requires not only the classic re-organization but a powerful appeal by a leader blessed with a profound charisma. MLK’s historic role was just that where he gave hope to people who had lost hope altogether!

            In brief, I say, it is a mistake to exclude the older generation where they have equally been a victim of Isaias’ grand conspiracy. More over, they are coming to the new development with a wealth of experience where they are an asset as opposed to a liability.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            You said “…..they are morally depleted who have lost the meaning of a normal life altogether…. ” These are pretty strong words. Would you mind explaining?
            Thanks

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            A few months ago, right after Abiy visited Eritrea, an Awatista said something that captured the zeitgeist in present day Eritrea. He said, the young people looked like as if they were witnessing the coming of an alien entity when the cameraman captured a moment when a group of young Eritreans were starring at the Ethiopian flag waving from a pole in the streets of Asmara. It was the first time in their life time to witness the visit of a foreign leader in that kind of magnitude and scope. If that is not abnormal in this day and age, I really don’t know what.

            A day, week, month and possibly months without electricity and a running water is taken as a normal life where the people have forgotten if they are entitled for the basic services. Incidentally, I was talking to someone the other day about life in Eritrea and she told me that, ironing cloths is a thing of the past in Asmara where they hardly do it for obvious reason, for instance. One that defines the morale depletion the most is the breakdown of the social fabric where siblings much less relatives do not trust each other. It is a common talk, one would tell you that, ፈሪሐ ነቐረባ ቤተሰበይ ከይነገርኩ ሃዲመ!

          • Haile S.

            Sorry Paulos,
            I lost you in the explanation. I must be one of the morally depleted who have lost the meaning of a normal life altogether. I don’t get it and I am may not get it at all your explanation. Thanks any way.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dr. Paulos,

            Your description of the near fatalistic resignation that extreme oppression and de-humanization has imposed on multitudes of impoverished masses of our people is understandable. It’s true this has devastatingly exasperated the heritage of conservative outlook that respects and fears authority in its hierarchical structure. However, the fact remains that there comes time when the masses get intolerably pressed to respond to new dynamisms that break the chains that tie them to fatalistic attitudes that what fate has brought fate will end. At the juncture, they need enlightened elites to articulate their cause, organize and lead them to salvation.

          • Aligaz G

            Selam Ismail

            When you have such a large diaspora it is very important to capture their interest. This has nothing to do with ignoring or sidelining the older generations. Plus many not so young Eritreans are busy being assimilated having somewhat given up on a return. These sort of segments are your silent majority. Ignore them at your peril. They will go in to “a pox on both your houses” sleep mode and it will be really hard to wake them up when you need them.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz G.
            I agree with you except that the issue at hand started as an exercise of sidelining the older generation “they have so many luggage” it was said. If not for that toxic verdict, there is no argument at all. Also, I hold the view that many of us do not wish to establish a duplicate of the Cuban Diaspora, as an example. The fight should focus on Eritrea and the catalyst/support role of the Eritrean Diaspora should be recognized for what it is. The trigger of the Eritrean struggle is not about changing the regime alone, it is about changing attitudes, embracing the notion of equality for Eritrea. If the Diaspora cannot address those issues honestly, its role will be more damaging. As of now, the overriding motivation is just stability, even if it comes and is established, and maintained with the gun, and the status quo can be maintained all the same. It’s such often unspoken problems that are hindering us.

          • haileTG

            Hi SJ

            I followed many of your talks and interviews on the issue of equality over the years. So, I appreciate your deep interest and commitment in the cause. I have a good deal of respect for that and without taking anything away from that my question is: which should come first – Stability or Equality, i.e from the pragmatic point of view? I am saying from dispensation side of the equation if it helps.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Haile TG,
            Which one comes first is a good question. But I will not reply before I take the opportunity to you offered to spill my beans. I hope you will excuse me. But indedd, how many times have you read about democracy in my writings as opposed to Justice? That is my position. Democracy is good, but justice is better because without it, democracy is meaningless and it cannot come about.

            Let me tell you what was happening right after the border war around 2002. Some activists were bent on channeling all our efforts towards demanding the implementation of THE constitution. I objected to that and I wondered: what if the regime implements the constitution, would we thank the regime and move on? Another one: “we demand from the regime to bring the prisoners to a court”! Do we recognize the court system? What if the courts that are too politicized sentenced them to life imprisonment, or to face the gallows, would we be satisfied our demands are met?

            Now my objection is this: the issue of Silent Majority was debated for a while and it was not pleasant. It ended up dividing the already divided debaters. What was the purpose of that? Where did it take us?

            The issue of age segregation was started a while ago and I know who was pushing for it: the Ethiopian handlers. That was the reason why they killed the NCDC (Hawassa) when they held the Nazereth “Youth” meeting which was attended by random invitees, some of them my relatives. They were tricked into attending because they were told, we need the youth to discuss ways of helping the refugees, tickets paid, lodging covered. I know all the details. Then, immediately trashing the traditional opposition which was not playing along started in earnest.
            Many so-called youth organizations were hastily formed. Paltaks were running at full throttle and many more stuff was going on. If you remember, that is when our struggle met its worst phase: regionalism. I have talked about it several times and I warned against it. I argued that our problems are social and unless resolved will pop up and present themselves to any generation in the future. The problem is not generational. I didn’t find too many ears to listen to me because the stake was high for some quarters. Initially, that strategy was devised to disconnect the new generation with the old Ghedli values and history. It started with the assault on Hamid Idris Awate and it never stopped since then until the new developments. I put my neck in that fight and it cost me dearly.
            Do I believe the youth should be in leadership? Of course. Otherwise we would be defying nature. However, they have to be willing to lead and show qualities of leadership and dedication. This is not a part-time job. But to insult and shame the generation that paid dearly in the old and present struggle, sometimes accusing it of carrying the bad social luggage, and for being the cause of our trepidations, singularly, is just cruel and untrue. The age segregation is doing a lot of damage. And the problem is dear Haile, some people return from their sabbatical and throw such ideas that cripple and create wedges within the opposition. Worse, many people come and throw such topics thinking they are wise and they are the first ones who discovered that problem that was there to begin with. A struggle is not age specific, but willingness specific, sacrifice specific, resilience and dedication. And there is no entry barrier.

            Sorry for going in circles before I answer your question. Allow me some more time 🙂

            The problem is, as I see it, some of us treat our passionate exchanges as mere debates and consider it a debating club. We are stakeholders and whatever we get from the debates goes to the opposition discourse and effects its performance and activities. I have seen how much time was wasted on whether we should wage civil disobedience or armed struggle, whether we should condemn armed struggle or not, whether this or that. The problem is none of these issues are new–and believe me the much-maligned opposition has clear views about them. All the opposition, new and old. But most do not see that as a priority. Every force fights with whatever means it commands, including age, and we should focus on the regime simply because we do not have the luxury to trivialize the struggle. It’s like someone strangulating you. You have to hit back, reflex action because you are not going to stop and think, what if I break his teeth, or poke his eyes, would I be jailed… etc. You just need to free your neck before you choke to death.

            I think stability after the regime change is vital, otherwise the entire exercise risks being worse that the present. That is why, against my best judgment, I tend to wish for a military initiated change. Change that comes through popular uprising supported by the military would be ideal for stability. Then if we are lucky, and enlightened people come on top, we can smoothly transition to equality. We can even the government to sloughed a goat, on a weekly basis, for each household 🙂 AMEN

          • haileTG

            Hi SGJ,

            I believe one of the subtlest of problems is actually not having a real problem but a mirage that appears like one.

            As we both agree, the removal of the regime is a priority and our real problem at this time. I will go further than that by saying that the removal of the regime is starting point and not the destination of anything that we wish to see. By projecting beyond the removal of the regime, we lose sense of realty of the problem that we see, fear sets in, imagination gets over active and we give way to an intractable series of hypothetical solutions.

            Suppose you ask me to kick a soccer ball. That is a realistic goal that can be achieved with inherent abilities that are here. But, now instead you ask me to change my attitude about soccer. This problem becomes subjective, pron to interpretation, motive driven and what have you. In other words, a real problem is no longer to be found. Attitudes are solidified perceptions and take time, policy, environment and capacity to dissolve.

            For example, almost every section of the opposition has its unique sets of values and aspirations. Some emphasize equality, some emphasize minority rights, some emphasize geo-political dangers, some emphasize reform of the existing system, some emphasize doing away with the past, some emphasize religious tendencies….

            The above problems are being formulated from a distance that does not take into account the prevailing realities that will dominate when the time comes for the issues to be dealt with. In themselves, they are fine, normal and natural concerns. However, if those who emphasize one aspect come to contact with those who emphasis a different set of views, then things seem to devolve into zero sum argumentation.

            Let me clarify the forgoing with one specific example for instance. Take the age specific differences that arose here. Do we believe the older generation has critical role to play? Yes! Do we believe the older generation may have limitations? Yes! Does the argument for pushing for a youthful leadership present opportunities for the older generation. Of course. Does the arguments for preserving the work and legacy of the older generation present opportunities for the youth leadership argument. Of course. So we already see complementary and mutually beneficial values within the age specific discussion. But that is only the brighter half. Can the two arguments end up threatening one another. Clearly. When this latter situation arises, we enter from the real problem, one that focuses on how to benefit from it, into the mirage, where something that looks like a problem is difficult to comprehend much less resolve.

            In similar vain, the question of those concerned by geo-political considerations can help those concerned with equality or minority rights issues or vise versa. Again, we can also fall into the darker half that reconfigure the problem in to mutual threats and thereby yielding to a non-existent problem.

            So, changing attitudes might be a tall order than apparent gains when the intended target is to mobilize sufficiently large numbers of people to play a role in current situation. Ultimately, the mirage problem will revert to real problem once the regime is removed. And the real problem of removing the regime can only take center stage when all other problems are viewed from that perspective.

            In conclusion, we have one real problem and many orphaned. The orphaned problem wouldn’t even be able to take care of itself let alone help with the real one, if it sees the other orphans as a threat for its survival.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,
            I agree with your views and I fully subscribe to it provided what you outlined stays as the guiding principle starting with removing the regime. That is what I would like all of us to focus on. But if other annoying issues are raised, people react and that reaction further deepens what you rightly identified as mirage problems. Amen to focusing on what matters. I hope we all focus on that.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam SJ and Haile TG,

            Two potent stream of arguments meeting at a confluence to form a mighty river of thoughts that would sweep any snag to reach the estuary. Following the exchange was joy. One wishes were this to be at an encounter of a cross-section of like minded Eritreans. Consensus would be as easy as a pie

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Saleh

            Very precisely put. Ultimately the real change must be in Eritrea itself the rest is academic. But I also believe creating a truly democratic united organization truly important towards achieving the societal transformational goals you write about. A truly democratic organization, vision and acceptancy by your constituency . Concerning democracy the younger generation may be on the liberal end of the spectrum and they have their own vocabulary picked up in the US such as silent majority etc while us older types talk about vanguards etc. Therefore true organizational democracy should be inviting to liberals as well as those with more leftist notions plus accommodate ethnicity, religion and other points of diversity. This will be the game over moment for Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Algazi,

            What is political accommodative system for you? Can you elaborate a little bit please? The word “accommodation” is very important in diversified society.

          • Aligaz G

            Hi Amanuel

            I know this is an area of special interest for you but I think we both start with the premise a party that does not accommodate diversity cannot be democratic. I suppose at some level it is possible to allow the elites to thrash out some sort of accommodation but I think most will agree this sort of capricious arrangement will fail. Our generation will almost automatically reach for a vanguard type organization however if this is not a consciously accommodative party then ultimately this will degenerate into tyranny a la PFDJ. Now accommodation must involve a set of predetermined rules acceptable at the grassroots level in order to determine who what when. In a multiethnic country the rules must necessarily include protection of ethnic minority rights always keeping in mind that an undemocratic or uninclusive vanguard party will almost invariably have an extremely difficult transition to a democratic governance system. I know various “formulae” may exist in theory however real democracy is messy therefore systems and procedures to allow change and flexibility must be inbuilt. Liberalism or individual rights and freedoms should also be considered fundamental otherwise the party and later the citizenry will be held hostage by special interests with negative ramifications for nation building.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Since a party is collection of individuals bonded together of the same ideological interest, does that in itself show any value of accommodation, even if it has “መሐወስታ” from all our social groups? In my view accommodation is not in the composition of the party, rather in the nature of the system. The members of a party do not reflect to the interest of their constituents (their social group). They simply represent to their individual interest only. However, certain make ups of “government system” could address the issue of accommodation of the the aggrieved social groups. The right of individual in itself does not address the issue of accommodation.

          • Aligaz G

            Amanuel

            Technically you are correct it is possible to have a party made up a camaraderie of ideas and goals. But will it be democratic without accommodating diversity? Also political loyalty to ideals in a multiethnic country is a risky bet. Better to accommodate diversity at the party level from the start because at the first sign of stress in the system constituents will run for their particular interests. Then there are issues of legitimacy that must be dealt with. Anyway the really worrying point is that an undemocratic party will lead to an undemocratic govt.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi AligazG,
            Thanks.
            Th problem is I do not understand what the spectrum where the liberals are? To me, such classifications are academic and feel good classifications. I do not understand how they relate to the struggle we are in. In fact, the young do not know about silent majority, and it is not their argument. Let’s keep it simple. We have people who love freedom, who struggle for justice and there are znegese ngusna groupies supporting the regime. you can keep subdividing the two groups into many layers however, it’s not something you can equate to the politics of the West.

          • Aligaz G

            Saleh

            I agree with your points. My emphasis was on inclusivity. Sometimes words get in the way

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aligaz G,

            I entreat you to bear with me; No one is arguing about ignoring either chunk of the segments you’re referring to. At least I can assure you I am not, and nowhere did I say or write that. What is at issue here is let us not categorize that target group because doing so would come with the risk of polarizing their potential role into mutually contradicting parts. The right approach is uniting instead of dispersing the ranks because they share the cause.

  • Natom Habom

    selam alfaromeo
    hey dont expect any answer from people that in an ocean of lie and nonsense ,no one give a hit ,the west took them hundreds of years to be what they are now ,they endure many war ,starvation ,desese ,invasion The west very hard working people ,they didnt live in dream that sitting ,and writing nonsense will bring any meaningful change in their life so they build their nation developed technology went into even looting other nation and still looting trough puppet regime ,they unify to get more stronger ,together they impose sanction or fee trade they control the world
    then her you are an opportunist refugees attacking and been obstacle to people working and struggling for their nation building as the western country did in the past by people like you hired by a welfare system by imposing their own law by telling me Democracy disadvantage is to give people an equal right like me as everybody else , I dont know what was wrong with me
    I think this what all African country has been told ,democracy is introducing free reformed religion that can obliterate local faith that live in harmony with other ,free media that spread gossip and lie for dignify people that use only to speak true ,introducing plural system based on religion and ethnic maybe so it keep you busy fighting your brothers until you lose your goal to be strong unify instead you go down weak in your knee to welfare mercy ,isn t beautiful ,
    and who else to hire for this formidable idea than some local thieves ,hooligan or run away or hostile neighbor acting as he care for you they will be a good tools to destabilize their own ,what better way to infiltrate a stronghold ,please dont answer I think I am nonsense

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    Few points to makebof this report:
    1) the list is least with muslims and women and the youth.
    2) pfdj’ media purpose is so cumbersome: its talking points focus on defending lies and covering up the truth.
    3) Pfdj continues to institutionalize grand problems problems instead of solutions. It sets structures and organize people and mobilize resources just to ruin an own nation.

  • Nowinc

    Hello all,
    Many of these are already on social media crucifying anyone who criticizes IA. Some use alias names, so may be all of them are on social media. For example one of these could be the phony “hagerawi dihnet”.
    What more can they do to embellish and defend IA that they are not doing now?

  • Rahwa Tesfai Ghermai

    The Eritrean RATIONAL SECURITY?!!!! 😂

  • Amanuel

    Thanks Awate.
    This is an evidence that the regim has no future In Eritrea. From the list less than 20% are under 40 and least 10% under 30. In a away it is good news to learn that the young are not falling for its propoganda.

    • Paulos

      Amanuel,

      And no diversity. So much for Hade L’bi Hade H’zbi!

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Amanuel and Paulos,

        I see someone I know and he is listed as 40 years of old but I know he is at least 60.

        Looking at the age group (even those 60 years old) at the ERITREAN independence they were in the early 30s, so the age is not a surprise. They were the so called Hafash Wudubat and after the split of 2001, those are the once who stood with IA and PFDJ while most are split.

        I think they are the key trusted members and they take orders from PFDJ and pass on to their respective cities. The YPFDJ and the rest organizing falls under their jurisdiction.

        Haile TG, its this kind of list that we need to work on and create the hierarchy of the PFDJ. There is no chance convincing these people to do anything different except they will die worshipping IA before they change their stance.

        Berhe

        • Paulos

          Selam Berhino,

          ሓደ ወዲ ኔሩ ኩሉ ጊዜ ዕድመይ 25 እዩ ዝብል፣ ሓደ ማዓልቲ የዕሩኽቱ እንታይ ኢኻ ንስኻ ዓመት ዓመት ዲኻ ዕድመይ 25 እዩ ትብል ምስ በልዎ ንሱ ከምዚ ክብል መለሰሎም–እቲ ምዕባይ ሓወይ እንድዩ ካብ 30 ነቕ ምባል ኣብዩ በሎም።

          In our culture, there is a serious hung up about age where we are self conscious to the extent where the pretense is outrageous as in the guy who said he is 40 when in fact he is 60. Hope Awatistas can shed some light on the psychological baggage behind it.

          That said, if there is anything that stands out the most with in the last decade or so, PFDJ is reduced to a minority lot where the non-party member Opposition is inflating in leaps and bounds. This is really good and encouraging, what is needed is a structure and an inspiring and charismatic leader who can unify the Opposition where the differences lose their meanings.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo,

            I don’t know if he said he is 40 when infact he is 60 or someone made a mistake. I would think it’s a mistake.

            On the age thing, I don’t think it’s an Eritrean thing. I believe it has to do with, every Eritrean psych, that people are waiting a lifetime to enjoy a peaceful Eritrea before they depart the world, and want to extend the age as much as possible (self deny how old he / she is:).

            Years ago, I corrected my sister how old she is. I think at that time she subtracted 4 years from here age, when I heard how old she was. She said to me, No I am correct. i don’t want to count the years I spend kolel kibl (that’s between Sawa and waiting to get somewhere before she settled in teh west).

            Berhe

      • Amanuel

        Hi Paulos
        Good point.

      • Hope

        Paulos:
        Diversity?
        On purpose ?
        Lesson to be learned:
        The Opposition should do better by learning from the PFDJ!

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate
    And you call this a leak my God ,Eritrean communty are before even independance use to avertize their country by organizing festival or traditional folklore intertanment all this to high light what is going on in eritrea ,of course you dont know that ,any way so maybe they want to make aware their people against fake news that propagate from the so called opposition that lost badly ,but do you have even right to list their names ?
    so you start harrassing the pro governent because of what ?and what s behind the listes of names ,are they targated by your holigans ,dont play that game the fight will come to your doorstep any way have good one james bond ,a leak give a break