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Isaias’ Never Ending Border Drama

Since the decision on the delimitation of the Border was delivered by The Eritrean Ethiopian Border Commission on 13 April 2002, Isaias Afwerki has been using the non-demarcation of the border as a pretext to tighten his grip on power. His anxious the resolution of the border conflict would leave him no excuse to continue ruling Eritrea under an undeclared state of emergency.

For fifteen-years, Eritreans have been suffering the consequences of the 1998-2000 war that wasted the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers from both sides, and disrupted the lives of tens of thousands of civilians. Still, the border remains the main agenda that seems to preoccupy the imagination of Isaias Afwerki.

Yesterday, June 6, 2017, “Isaias Afwerki has sent messages to several Heads of State and Government urging them to use their influence in the UN Security Council to redress the injustices perpetrated against Eritrea.”

Regarding the border, Isaias wrote that the dispute was “a simple ruse as the boundary between the two countries was defined and determined without any ambiguity in colonial times.” And as he does in every occasion, Isaias wrote that Washington “feverishly worked at the time, through the State Department, to drive a wedge between the two peoples who have deep historical and strategic ties in order to foment a crisis and micromanage the affairs of the Horn of Africa.”

Importantly, Isaias considers his gross violation of human rights as “Demonization campaigns that have been underway under the bogus pretext of “violations of human rights.” He goes on to absolve himself and his regime by accusing others of “human trafficking set up to precipitate and incite illicit migration of Eritrean youth.” As usual, he didn’t admit any responsibility for the dire situation that Eritrea finds itself in after a quarter of a century of ill governance.

Though he rules Eritrea under rule of the jungle, he wrote to the leaders stressing that “it is high time that the flouting of the rule of law; the violation of international law; and, the prevalence of the rule of the jungle are terminated once and for all.” That, coming from a man who rules Eritrea without a formal court system, is very stressing to his many victims.

But there is another story behind the facade of the border issue and why it has become his single agenda. Isaias masterfully promoted the border case as an issue of life or death in Eritrea. Unfortunately, many who should know better have been convinced and are not willing to mention the injustices in Eritrea unless the border is demarcated.

The EU and the USA

A few years after the EEBC delivered its decision, European Union and the USA diplomats believed theyhad a breakthrough and hoped both the late Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia and Isaias Afwerki will yield to their pressures and appeasements. They promised them hundreds of millions of dollars as reward to both Ethiopia and Eritrea if they resolve the border issue. The EU diplomats were so confident they will achieve a breakthrough that they handed Isaias an advance payment of millions of Euros to soften him.

However, Meles persistently demanded a dialogue between the two governments to exchange some territories to avoid “dividing several communities that live along the border” if it was demarcated according to the EEBC decision. Worse, Isaias adamantly refused to look into the possibility of exchanging land in contravention of the EEBC decision, and repeatedly explained he was not interested in any alternative proposal.

To resolve the impasse, secret negotiations through Louis Michel of the EU and Jendayi Frazer of the USA continued and they were about to bear fruit provided one American condition was met. Jandayi Frazer demanded the release of an unknown number of American embassy employees who were incarcerated without charge in Eritrea. At the time Gedab News reported the names of four USA employees who were arrested in 2001, but the Isaias’ regime didn’t issue any official statement about their arrest except rumors the government sources spread alleging they were arrested for espionage, spying for the American embassy in Asmara.

As expected, the American precondition didn’t go well with Isaias who insisted on demarcating the border without any further negotiations or conditions. Thus, the secret negotiations failed.

Sadly, Isaias ignored the advice of his close confidantes and meek appeal of others, and didn’t yield. And as explained by several insiders and diplomats, Isaias was afraid the USA would not stop at the release of the embassy employees; if he yielded to their demand, they will then demand the release of the G15. And that would create another problem for him because he will have to retract his accusation of Ambassador Antonio Bandini of Italy whom he expelled from Eritrea over the case of the G15.

A senior official of the government stated, “Isaias was neither bold nor stubborn when he refused Jandayi’s demand, but he was a scared man since he had already tied the G15 noose around his neck with own hands and he was stuck in if for lack of creativity in resolving the problem he created out of fear.” The official further warned, “if people are waiting for Isaias to accept the demarcation of the border, they will have to wait for too long.”

However, now the entire Eritrean neighborhood is in turmoil and somehow, the tremor that is shaking the region might creep towards Eritrea, either across the Red Sea from Yemen, or down from Egypt, or west from Sudan. But that regional boiling situation is a topic for another day

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  • Kebessa

    Dear forumers,
    May I suggest Hayat’s views be taken as personal views and be respected as such, or am I going to have to make a “Free Hayat” placard!? Granted, as a solid pro-independence guy, I disagree with some of her views. For example, it is my belief that having exhausted peaceful demands, Eritreans were 100% justified to start Ghedli. In my view, there is unanimous consensus among us Eritreans on that. A more controversial question is whether we are better off today. On this, there is a significant number of Eritreans on both sides. But even if the ‘we are worse off’ side were to overcome the other side, the question of independence still gets a resounding nod. This is not me being bias, rather a matter of fact on the ground. Consider this: there is no stronger politically active diaspora than Eritreans are (I guess its nature’s invisible hand to compensate what’s acutely missing inside the country). We have a huge number of political parties, media (radio and internet…), and civic societies, among other forms. As free and diversified as the demands of the various groups and individuals are, one thing you don’t see is a call for union with Ethiopia (I always wonder about that). In fact perception of any favorability toward Ethiopia could be the biggest possible political liability any Eritrean group or individual can face. In short, it’s a political suicide!
    Having said all that, I don’t undestand why we become so sensitive on views such as those of Hayat’s? She is a talented, established and loyal writer and I understand some degree of scruitny comes with that. It just becomes excessive! While disagreeing on some of her comments, I like her thinking and I like the respect she shows. You don’t see her doing personal attacks even in the face of what comes her way.
    I think she deserves some leeways. Everyone else is getting it.

    • Selam Kebessa,
      Well said on, ‘A call for union or union with ethiopia is a political suicide for eritrea’, and i would like to add, ‘it is a political and economic suicide for ethiopia too’. You see there are points on which ethiopians and eritreans converge, and yet they quarrel on an issue that is more or less agreed upon by both parties. Forget about the old remnants of the derg; this is what the majority of ethiopians believe today.

    • Haile Zeru

      Hi Kebessa,

      You said: “Having said all that, I don’t undestand why we become so sensitive on views such as those of Hayat’s? She is a talented, established and loyal writer and I understand some degree of scruitny comes with that. ..”

      I agree with you to a certain extent.
      The main thing is, Hayat should try to make her facts as correct as possible. That is, she should not come to a conclusion based on fantom villages and fanton events. Read my post below for example.

      The second part of your statement answers your question. We are sensitive because she is talented and it was absurd to me that she holds the view that she holds about the Eritrean people history and struggle. Now that she gave us a small window in her mind I see she formed her views from Ethiopian source. But the question that remains is why is she so selective to read, as she puts forward in her writing, the Ethiopian Sources only? And worse she comes with the narrative of the Ethiopian sources that demean eritrean history.
      -The other major issue is that she chose a moslem eritrean woman name as pen name. In my 50+ life I have never met a Moslem Eritrean woman that holds any resemblance to “Hayat Adem” views. May be you are young to know but the saying
      ” Wedi Halima” says a lot to people who were adults in the ’60 and ’70s.

      • Haile Zeru

        …Correction.

        Sorry I used the word “fantom” several times it should be spelled “phantom”.

        phan·tom ˈfan(t)əm/ a ghost.”a phantom who haunts lonely roads”

        synonyms:ghost, apparition, spirit, specter, wraith; More

    • Desbele

      Dear Kebessa,

      I share your view. A personal story.
      I was in the 8th round national slavery campaign. I grew up in Addis.
      My parents instill Eritreaness in me and all my siblings. Talk Tigrigna at home, be religious, respect and make utmost attachment to fellow country men from the same origin. And hard work. These were my values.
      My dad worked 40+ years as a truck owner and driver. Very, very respected in the area i grew up in Addis. He used to bring charcoal and wood to almost every neighbor. A great religious celebration(May 1) in the area has to be rescheduled repeatedly just to wait dad to participate in . Good old times.
      Deported to Eritrea. Me , my brother and sister were already in Eritrea in National slavery. Dad , a typical nationalist sent us early and we were not complaining. To my surprise all the good characters i grew up as eritrean were in collusion with the notoriously violent intolerant Ghedli culture. The punishment were disproportionately violent. The commanders corrupt. I witnessed the execution of two slavery members for deserting. I know some one who was half paralyzed because of the helicopter punishment. Women were used as sex slaves. Three of us slipped out of the country in 2008,2009 and 2012 after serving a decade. Dad was detained. He was only released after paying 50k. His last word before he died in 2015 was ደቀይ ለኪመ!!! Stories much , much worse are stories of almost every Eritrean. I always wonder why SHAEBIA is so violent and unEritrean. I found the answers in YG and Hayat. Something is fundamentally wrong. I enjoyed the company of villagers in my parents origin. They are very much like my parents. I wish they are left alone. It is simple. Those original village values need to be kept. Shaebia made satanic values need to be kicked out. I understand why it is so sensitive for the elitists.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Desbele,

        Thank you for sharing. It’s really sad story but very common in pfdj Eritrea.

        Let me ask you a simple question? Do you know or do have a relative who was former Tegadaly for example from ELF?

        What’s is your experience with such individual ?

        I leave it to you to hopefully share.

        The difference I would like to make is, PFDJ Eritrea and all others who died and paid their lives for tre betterment of Eritrea.

        If you know even only a single person who was Tegadaly then blaming Ghedli (including the good person that you know) is not correct.

        Those people who are defending ghedli are not sympatizers of IA, PFDJ and even EPLF. I am one of this people, I hate the pfdj and I wanted it erased from the face of the earth.

        But I don’t equate Eritrea , ghedli to PFDJ.

        Now, let me ask you, how do you propose we move forward as a nation?

        Berhe

        • Desbele

          Thanks Berhe for the response and sympathy.

          Let me focus on your questions.

          1. I dont have close acquaintance with any ELF fighter. I have an uncle who was with EPLF since 74. He once asked me how he would smuggle out his two daughters out of Eritrea. I asked him why he fought and he replied ” for the flag”. He would never ever accept a failure of SHAEBIA. WUDIB is above everything. Even if i feel the rank and file as first victims of SHAEBIA , I believe the alien value system sheabia created on them is beyond repair.
          2. It is good the kind of you prefer to think and focus on way forward.How to move forward as a nation. But it seems Eritreans currently are extremely polarized to even agree on the causes of their misery. For a sizable segment there even no trouble with the country. It is thriving. NIKID TIRAY!! No sympathy for peoples sufferings. G-15 are treacherous, Lampedusa are Ethiopians, Refugees are dreaming ipads and Air Jordan’s , Patriarch is wrong…
          I personally am attracted what the root causes are for these kind of thinking , and I blame the system and value Ghedli created. I enjoy reading those that expose the foundation problems.
          I know it do have minimal contribution and is not solution oriented. But it is ok if others have different diagnosis and solution. Afterall it is Awate. Free flow of ideas. No one should harangue others for their ideas.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hello Desbele,

            Your story is heart ranching. The bad thing is that there are thousands like you and some had it even worse.
            It is natural to look for answers for a mess of this magnitude, which is our country.
            My two cent advice is that you should try to see further and deeper than what a single person or group of persons say.
            Eritreans like all societies in the planet are made of individuals. Individuals are formed of different characters. Good like Nelson Mandela. Bad like Hitler, Polpot, Issayas,Haile Sellassie, Mussolini etc…And many others in between.
            At some historical moments the bad or worst side (individuals) prevail, lead and define a given societies. Needles to say with catastrophic results for the men and women of that society.
            And this is what you see in present Eritrea. After a bloody 30 years war the worst of the worst of us prevailed.
            The characters like your father, which were many like him did not make it for now.
            But take heart. The bad people create their own demise. Like the Germans after Hitler, Italy after Mussolini and Cambodia after polpot the good side of the society will regroup and claim the destiny of the ir country. This is not a bedtime story.
            No country can go for ever the way Eritrea is going at present.
            You see during the straggle for independence war was going on against Ethiopia. In parallel there was an internal war was going between the forces of good and evil. While the war against Ethiopia settled in Eritreas favor, in the internal war the forces of evil prevailed and they are causing lots of saffering.
            But this is unsastainable.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Desbele, you almost got me fooled till you came clean ” I found the answers in YG and Hayat. Something is fundamentally wrong” if the woman on this side and the jobless YG gave you an answer, then I am not sure if you life is worthy living.

        Last week I was in NY area and I had to pay a working visit to a big Pharma company. as I enter in to the property I see few flags and to my surprise one of the flags was Eritrean flags. I couldn’t contain myself to know why the Eritrean flag was there. There were two African flags, one being South Africa and the other Eritrean flag. After I was done with my business, I inquired about the Eritrean flag. I was told the company places flags of every Foreigner employees that works for them. And the reason for the Eritrean flag is there is an Eritrean that works in their R & D with phD. I ask to meet him and we had lunch together that day. guess what he was 7th rounder of SAWA. I wish I had some times so I can tell you more but Sawa is not a slave comp; if you can’t make it and you don’t have it, please stop blaming sawa. maybe you don’t have it, why blame sawa?

        • Desbele

          Hello Nitricc,

          Learn from Berhe Y and Haile Zeru. Read how they responded to my story. They both express their sympathy, recognize the existence of the suffering on the Eritrean people but indicated they have a different view on the source and the solution. What a satisfaction!! Bad luck that their kind are fewer in number to your types.
          Look at you. You started by insulting peoples i agree with. Worse, you go all the way to NY to bring a laughable example of an Eritrean with a successful career to justify that SAWA is good. I believe your story. But Eritreans who were at one point in life under pfdj slavery are not successful because of SAWA but against all the odds of SAWA and its enslavement. I attribute my good standing now primarily to my parents and a sound education in Ethiopia. I know it unnerves you. But it is the truth. Being in the 8th round enslavement drags me a decade back and traumatized me.
          What we witness of the people of Eritrea now is its resilience.Resilience because of its strong civilized culture now being destroyed by your slave masters in Asmara. That is why i lose hope on Eritrean reniassance. Your kind are too many!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Desbele: Sorry man, I didn’t know you were looking for sympathy, if not, I could have throw you a bone. Instead I gave you reality and what is real. if you think the brilliant Eritrean in NY city area is laughable then your fishing for sympathy is tragedy. If you live in US, I will tell you the company name and you can find it your self. the point is that, you were challenged when you were younger instead of taking a lesson from your challenge and applied to your future to better yourself, your family and your country, you are here crying and moaning and looking for sympathy. The different between successful people and not so is that the successful people find positive and teaching moment out of very challenging and testing situation while the not so, keep crying and complaining about the situation that long passed. if something doesn’t kill you, it will make you stronger and better. Get up and get moving!

          • Desbele

            Selam Nitricc,

            How difficult to engage with you. Bullet points may help
            1. I didnt question the truthfulness of your story. I questioned if the success is attributable to SAWA.
            2. I was not challenged. I was enslaved. Dont speak on behalf of me. The proof that Eritreans are under enslavement is stretched from SAWA to Shegereb , Sinai, Libya, Shimelba , Mai aini….
            All those Eritreans need our empathy, put yourself on their shoes. Dont sanitize slavery. No, nobody was challenged for their own betterment under Shaebia. Everyone was enslaved.
            3. Yes I am in US. A data scientist. Thanks for my family, the good education background in Addis Cathedral School and to the immense opportunity in US. Unlike you i am showing solidarity with the oppressed.
            You really are a perfect example of shaebias cultural dis-formation. ርህራሄ ብ ጽንዓት ፣ ስቃይ ብ ብድሆ፤ ተኪእካዮ. People are suffering and need our sympathy and help. For you it is a challenge that with steadfastness you end up being like the NY guy . Shaebia are so genius that they are challenging Eritreans at younger ages so that they will be successful in their future life. I am not cruel. I prescribe you life under Shaebia just for 3 months in Kiloma, or Aderser or Asmat.

  • Saba

    Dear Horizon and Abi,
    Do you recognize that the Eritrean ghedli has helped to free Ethiopia from Dergh dictatorship?

    • Zara Yaqob

      Hi Saba,

      That is the most ignorant thing you can say. We’d rather have used the economic capital and human life we sacrificed fighting ghedli towards progressing our country. 30 years war and what do both countries have to show for. Yes, Ethiopia seems to be better off than Eritrea but in the large scheme of things we are still in the bottom of the bottom compared to other countries. Have you seen the recent HDI ranking ? Ethiopia is ranked 174th out of 188 countries and Eritrea is ranked 179th. We are the laughing stock of the world. Putting aside your politics and who you prefer to see sitting on the throne, can you imagine for a minute where we would have been without that costly and devastating war. You need to open your mind and try to see the big picture.

      Zara Yaqob

      • Saba

        Hi Zara Yacob,
        I wish there was no war but there was. I am talking about the outcome, we helped you to get a better Gov than Derghi.

        • Zara Yaqob

          Hi Saba,

          Ghedli brought more of the same. Nothing has changed except who rules over us.

          Zara Yaqob

    • Dear saba,

      Since you ask again, let me try to answer your question.
      You were telling H. A. that we did not thank you for what gedli had done for us.
      Who said that we are not grateful to gedli, when it gave ethiopians all the freedom, and gave eritreans all the slavery? Abi says that it gave us even our independence.
      If gedli had any shred of freedom in it, first and foremost it would have kept it for its own people. One cannot give what one does not have in the first place, in this case freedom.
      Gedli is decorated with many myths, and one of them is freeing ethiopians, while in actual fact all it did was enslave the eritrean people. Gedli was a hegemonic dream of eritrean elites, and therefore it had no essence of freedom in it whatsoever. It was meant to free nobody. All it wanted was its own center from where to dominate the region. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have resorted to wars with everybody around it, soon after it reached asmara.
      During the early 90s, gedli showed us its true nature. It came to enslave and plunder ethiopia, and fortunately, it did not succeed.
      Eritreans always conveniently forget the ethiopian side of the equation, when they talk about the success of gedli. If the ethiopian people were not against the derg, gedli would not have succeeded in a hundred years.
      Hindsight tells us that it was a pity HSI did not pack and get out of eritrea at the start of gedli, and a lot of bloodshed would have been avoided.
      Therefore, we have no reason to thank anybody for the sake of gedli. If eritreans bled, ethiopians bled too. If there is some sign of freedom and development in ethiopia, it is not because of gedli, but because the seeds of freedom and development were already there before the derg came to the scene.
      That golden bullet from the controversial hero that summoned the people for a century of sacrifices and enslavement brought mayhem to the region, the painful legacy of which ethiopians and eritreans are living today. The romanticizers of gedli are happy to tell us about its past glories, but not about its future legacy, other than independence without freedom. May be it is because they are not so sure about it, even today more than a quarter century after eritrean independence. They are much more consumed with the past forgetful of the present and the future, which will affect ethiopia’s present and future too.

      • Graviton

        Peace new?

        Man you are fired up! well lets hope you don’t get the treatment Abi got for challenging their collective illusion.

        • Nitricc

          Hi gravition; you people are thankless. If that is the case why are you here in Eritrean web-site? you came to us and we didn’t go to you. It is like I go to Aiga and compline about it. in the first place I will never go there, my sense of pride and my personal dignity won’t let me but you are in here because you lack those senses. why are you in here?

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You are basically asking Graviton leave this forum. You know it is against the policy of this website to ask someone to stop visiting this website. I don’t know if the moderator has read your above welcomed comment.

          • Nitricc

            Thomas, When did I told your brother to leave the forum? Aqatari. How old are you?

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Correction: when did I tell (NOT TOLD) your brother to leave the forum? You see, there is a reason for why I believe that you are not just a U.S. born kid? If English language was your first language, you would not have made such silly mistakes, “when did I told”:)

          • Nitricc

            Thomas I am glad you are upping your self from simple Aqatarinet in to correcting English language; I guess I should have attended ESL as you did. lol Dedeb, who cares how I say and write things? I guess a jobless like you huh?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hi Nitricc,

            His English is very poor too.

            Example: ” I don’t know if the moderator has read your above unacceptable comment.”

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon,

            I never said my english is perfect. What I said was Nitricc is not a U.S. born kid. This is for the reason, he makes silly grammar mistakes.

            I know your looking at the wording of what is written; and may be at “unacceptable comment”. Clarification: your are not allowed to tell other commenters to leave this forum. In other words, this forum is for all as long as the forum owner’s policy and guidelines is respected……..

          • Nitricc

            Hi Simon, please forgive him. He doesn’t know. If not, when comes to a proper English, young people who are born outside the US, use proper grammar and speak proper English. You got to be as useless as Thomas to proof read what others have to say in an open forum. That shows Thomas’s worthless existence. he have nothing better to do than to proof read may take that I wrote in fly? it is really sad.

          • Nitricc

            “you have no right to question why anyone is in this forum”]
            When did I tell anyone to leave the forum? what is wrong with you? what a disgrace.

          • Thomas

            Hi Moderator,

            Thank you for serving justice.

          • Graviton

            Peace new Shaleka?

            Benatish degmesh tsafiw ye melis mit endizegajilish. “Amiche” silehonsh yigebashal amharic.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Horizon,
        Please stop blaming the whole Eritrean population. I suggest that you become introvert for moment look into the cultural forces that are responsible. It’s us Abyssinians and we are in Ethiopia and Eritrea. A little honest social and cultural appraisal will give you peace of mind. I think. If Eritreans are arrogant, their corresponding Ethiopian are worse and vice versa. The two sides are perpetuating the state of war and hindering the dawning of peace and stability. Self appraisal is important. The rest is all by products of the culture of violence.

  • Saleh Johar

    Selam Hayat,

    I think you believe me when I say you are one of my favorites in this forum and you have reciprocated that. Thank you.

    1. However, (I am sure you expected the “however”), I am perplexed by your recent comments. For one, anyone can quote Goebells and prove that Nazi history is so admirable we should strive to emulate it. To me, Bahru Zewde is a major player and his testimony is simply so exposed not to invite shredding. I will not go there for now.

    2. Secondly, this is how I see our predicament and how we are going about addressing it:

    A man is stabbing a woman repeatedly and she is bleeding. Some of us (Semere T for instance) is claiming there is not law that criminalizes stabbing and unless you can bring such an evidence, let it be. Others (including you) are saying “forget the stabber and the stabbing” the woman is so traumatized, let us stretch her on a sofa and bring a therapist to see (and probably cure) how much the trauma has harmed her. While some in the middle (including me) are saying let’s stop the man with the knife because it is the natural urgent thing to do. And each of the three groups is trying to convince the others of their conviction. It’s mind-boggling (to me at least) to go into such exercise when the woman could be killed (by Isaias and his clique) while we are wallowing in trivialities (trivialities? Maybe)

    3. I think you know that I am from Keren and I am not your typical city boy because Iw as exposed to the countryside since I was a boy scout and much later on. I know the countryside as much as I know my palm. I grew up hearing all what you brought—nothing new there. However, the time and context is different.

    4. Everyone knows that Haile Sellasie’s strategy to pacify Eritreans was to pit them against each other. That is where recruiting Commandos soldiers from predominantly Christian regions comes to play. Further, the “The Muslims are coming to get you” was a daily propaganda spread in these regions where the government formed Militia forces to hunt an fight the freedom fighters (yes, we were freedom fighters) and it was war: on one side the freedom fighters and on the other Haile Sellasie and his Militia Sernay and other hirelings. So, anything that happened have to be seen from the context of an unfortunate bloody conflict whose energy was Eritrean blood pitched against their own brethren,

    5. I can tell you stories of how many combatants were trapped by the Militia and killed by the government soldiers in villages they trusted as their own. Incidentally, I had a man who was killed in such incident.

    Let me give you the background.

    1967 was an important landmark for the Eritrean revolution. Haile Sellasie has successfully shaped the perception that the conflict was Muslims against Christians and as such, the Arab Israeli war was portrayed and an extension of that conflict thus, Ethiopia and Israel against Arabs and Muslims. The Arabs lost and support for the freedom fighters almost stopped from the region. Many thought it was the end of the story influenced by the heavy propaganda of the time. Add to that Asrate Kassas aspiration to weild his own power by depending n the Commandos forces which he depended on in his expected quest for power. That confusion, and the extensive Ethiopia intelligence maneuvers resulted in mass surrender of combatants, increased the Eritrean mutual mistrust and the repeated military success of the Ethiopian forces in the between 1966-68. You can refer to the loss at Mensa’e area where many combatants were killed, the well poisoning in the region where many combatants lost their lives, the scorched earth policy that decimated entire villages from the Keren area (I am ot quoting Bahru Zewde, I know it). Thise details are in my book Of Kings and Bandits if you are interested.

    6. Please, do not repeat “Chiriastians kilelled” for any armed person who was fighting alongside Ethiopian forces. Ditto, your Dukumbia (Tokimbia) example because you need to learn about the design of Gebreqal who was the governor of the region stationed in Barentu and what he did in bring settlers and arming Militia and his other devices—intellectual honesty requires that.

    7. In politics (some say because it is drty) politicians use any method to get what they want. Idris Adum, Idris Kalaydos and and Salih Sabbe (a forensic expert will have no doubt this is copies from Ethiopian records (spelling like Adum for Adem or Adam gives it away) For instance, do you think Isaias was selling the Arab thing when he was (and still is) getting all the Arab support? Did he convert and become a Muslim? You are better than thay Hayat. Please revise our position.

    8. I would like to know about the “several Christian villages were destroyed and inhabitants massacred by Elf units in the western lowlands of Eritrea.” This is a totally false story dear Hayat, but it is a repeat of the propaganda we grew up hearing. There are Christian villages around Keren and I can assure you nothing like that happened outside the limited battles where Militia and others were part of. And in battles, both sides lose lives and it is not honest to mention the loss of one side as if they were playing card game and not fighting to kill and die.

    9. The Barentu area has a long history of militia activities and consider that when you mention the area.

    10. Remember also (just in case) when you mention individuals killed that there was a wide raging “shifta” and cattle rustling activities in the Gash area. You know there are murders everywhere and you can’t accuse the ELF or EPLF as being the culprits in any murder that happened in the region

    11. What you quoted from Bahru Zewede are actually what Isaias capitalized on—the mythical Seyet Addis who number anywhere from 60 to 150 and who are claimed to have come from the Addis university, joined the ELF only to be killed en masse. I would like to direct ou to an eye witness account here: http://awate.com/gebremedhin-zerizghi-eyewitness-to-eritrean-history/
    While at it, you can read another one here: http://awate.com/he-and-his-objectives/ and if you have the time, you can go through the tons of reference links on the footnote

    Now, you can go and check Addis Ababa university and findout if there were that much students who joined the ELF en mass of if there were that much numbers at all. I leave that to you. The above will give you another persepective about the much talked about martyrdom of Welday Ghide and Kidane Kiflu (another give away spelling error here )

    12. Between 1972-1974 there was a civil war but the victims were not more than 120 because the entire organization had no more than 3000 combatants, all of them. The 2000 killed is from the fantasy world of propaganda.

    13. There were no 200 houses in Debresina, I know the village that is mainly the monastery and a few hamlets. ELF never burned any house in that place, verify your story (and source).

    14. “At a village of Adamdam, Elf fighters orderd residents into their homes and set them on fire, and everyone teying to escape from the fire was shot. This is a story captured and reported by The Sunday Times of May 10, 1971.”

    A: when and where did they build a village names Adamdam? Bukhri ezni do?
    B.I will give you another story similar to the Khawaja reporting. In the mid-sixties two Americans were captured around Keren (long story) then they were freed and weer interviewd by I think The New York Time (I have a copy somewhere) and they were telling about their escapade, ‘we went through the forest and lions were chasing us… something like that. The Keren area had not see a lion since my great grandfather roamed the area, I am not sure before that. It’s another tourist meets Tarzan in Africa story.

    15. Finally: dear Hayat, I am interested in stopping the man with the knife stabbing the helpless woman whose name is ERITREA. If I ignore some preposterous claims is not for lack of arguments but realization of the priority. Ghedli was an experience, an institution with thousands of people and thousands who gave their lives in it, crippled, and are bearing the brunt of the rule of the man with the knife. We have friends and loved ones we buried and we know they didn’t die for anything but in the quest of freedom nd liberty, and manly JUSTICE. Freedom of expression is a noble thing but indecency should not be part of the package simply because it is abhorring. What is more abhorring to me is when dethroned ancient regime affiliates gloat over our misery and insult us day in and day out—and you have noticed that here, I am sure. We should try not to be “freedom of expression giants and decency infants” all at the same time. And the decency should include that we are here to preserve what is left of our dignity and dignity of the principles for which we paid dearly because even today, regardless of the sad outcome, those old principles hold true. And why not? Pursing freedom and justice is an inbuilt natural human desire.

    NB: apologies for the rather lengthy Hateta as MS calls it. Appologies for any typos also because I am short on time to do editing though this would have been a Negari article…

    • Hayat Adem

      The H. SGJ,
      Thanks for the corrections and for the note of appeal. I will adjust my data. I will consider your suggestions. And I will heed your advice: lets focus on stopping the man with a knife!

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank you Hayat for considering..

        The most common land for you and the categories is think Jebena page I think for reason just because –the poems written are up voted by all of you I noted it yesterday while I was —

        I was completely weak and confused…totally weak ..and disturbed thanks to our Haile S I prepare one poem in English which up voted by you and 4 others including Amuni ,MS.. both ELF,EPLF

        I told you my position..you already know my stand..most awate participant know It very well– I will upgrade it by reading more — then I will hopefully write the book that will never be affected with time and nations ..

        BRUKH MSHET …

        KS..

        • Haile Zeru

          Hi Kokheb Selam,

          Hope you are doing well. It looks you are on your way to recovery. Hurry up though, we miss your poems and views.

          My best wishes.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Haile Zeru

            I have bee hospitalized but still not operated..by next 4 days time I will continue..

            Thank you for your .. best wishes and for caring on my health condition ..

            KS..

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Hayat and SJ,

        Thank you SJ for the beautiful summary you posted. I was actually busy making notes to do the same. But I could not have produced anything close to yours, and, thus, Hayat and the rest of us were Lucky for your initiative.

        Moreover, thanks Hayat for your “lets [us] focus on stopping the man with a knife!” response. I read in this flexible mind set when it matters, and hope I would not be disappointed. As I tried to stress in my last exchange with you, our useful role at this time of our people’s existence is focusing on the bigger and essential picture. We need to harness our views towards closing ranks rather than being lost in the details of the past just for purpose of backing our arguments with fellow forumers on issues digressing from the main subject triggers.

        Let me say that it is the hope of all of us together this first hand facts reinforced participation of SJ would put an end to tit-for-tat sort of debate and focus on issue that matter to us all: “stopping the man with a knife”,

        Thanks SJ.

      • Thomas

        Hi Hayat,

        Your decision to focus on stopping the man with the knife is really appreciated. I believe a women of your caliber will be to save lives wasted as we speak. As we speak, lots of women like you are crying because of the evil deeds of the monsters/men with knives. Let’s please leave good history as what was done in the past can only become a lesson, just grievances along cannot bring changes for what is happening today. The criminals are still victimizing the victims. The only way forward is to deal with them now and stop their lawlessness immediately. All the enslavement of the youth, arresting, blackmailing and victimizing the weak and helpless is happening as we speak now and it requires our urgent action. It that tragic that it is very difficult to describe the sad drama in words along.

  • blink

    Dear Forumers
    History & memory explores the manifold ways in which the past shapes the present and is shaped by present perceptions. So what is this all going back and making lies about Eritrean revolution ?when Ghirmay Yeibio was describing our Hero Hamid idris awate as,” a trigger happey shifta” while he used to defend like kerenlios . He was hammered with detailed facts and he was doing the same like this con artist is doing this forum . Some people asked him ,” who do you admire from Eritrean founding fathers ? “, He said ” no one except hailessilassie, ” The guy was or is a contributor to asmarino independent . I practically see his view in this Ethiopian made queen , she describe Eritrean founding Fathers as :
    A. Snakes
    B. Salers of Eritrea to the highest bidder
    C. Agents of Arabs
    D….. the list goes on to manufacturing lies about ELF and its leaders and debunk crimes committed by Ethiopian genocider leaders .

    So what is worth of this forum ? if this forum can not stand for Eritreans founding fathers and try to make a unifying voice in order to root out PFDJ ? what does awate forum stand for ? Is this a free speech ? or is this as some Ethiopians call it University to insult Eritreans? I think this forum is losing its main target and is becoming a place were Eritreans get insulted by filthy some Ethiopians like Sahay , Abi and Hayat …..etc . On the other hand their flithy bigoted tigraion line is pushing the same lies and the same words like Hayat , sahay and abi .

    I have one question , how do we reach here ? I think it was in 2001 or 2002 , I forgot the exact time where this site was having news about USAID and other issues from Eritrea , at that time so many Young Asmara University students were reading this site and now ,how many of them are participating in this forum? It is time to revisit the posting guidelines and make them squarely focused to educate Eritreans more about on how to root the sadistic dictator at home and rule their land as they wish.

  • Tzigereda

    Selam Hayat,

    In one of your comments you wrote :
    “Alula* in Dogali, a historical battle ground which is an authenticate Eritrean history…”. “Alula was a well admirred military strategist and tactician and a well liked administrator of Hamassien”.
    On the other hand you dont hesitate bashing Ghedli Ertra and listing ‘crimes’ done by ELF/EPLF telling the reader, that is all what Ghedli Ertra was about ( I am all ears as most forumers for a geniun evalution of Ghedli, its good and bad sides). I thought it may help you revisit your opinion on Ras Alula ( a holistic approach should be applied to both: Ras Alula and Ghedli), when you read these few quotes from the book written by Haggai Erlich, “Ras Alula And The Scramble For Africa”, recommended by our respected Ismail AA.

    ” with their long tradition of self-government, the people of Hamsen could not easily accept the appointment of an outsider, a highlander ( “dog’o”). Thus, Alula’s nomination stimulated support for Ras Walde-Mikael, and many left for his camp in Halhal, Bogos.

    ” Alula falsely accused Walda-Micaha’el of concealing arms and of being in secret communications with Massawa and Senhit…”.

    ” during the three years, the busy Alula mostly exploited his province as a source for finance and manpower and did little administration”

    ” left as ruler of Hamssien, Alula’s Lieutenent, Bellata Gabru established his headquarters at Daro Caulos. Wylde described him as:
    An ugly , middle-sized man… with a reputation for being a good general, a quick mover, and cruel to his enemies, and a great robber. There is no doubt that he does take over and above his tribute and pound of flesh, and reads his instructions as to tribute a hundred cattle from one tribe, as a hundred of the fattest and best milch cows belonging to them”.
    Gabru was trusted and supported by the busy Alula, who authorised him to crush opposition in the Marab Mellash…”.

    Alula could only threaten ” If Egypt would not restore the stolen territories, we shall destroy Massawa and Kartoum”. Yet the raid convinced Alula that he could tax and raid every season, which he would do for the next five years.”

    ” … For nine years, Alula’s troops raided the Banu Amir, the Habab, who were forced to pay a tribute of 5.000 thalers”.

    ” Alula’s raid on Bogus six weeks before the official restoration to Ethiopia was poorly timed. It caused panic among those tribes who could have supported Alula’s future government over Bogos…”.

    ” Yohannes authorised Alula to confiscate one tenth of the Marab Melash for himself and for his officers but this effort to create large gults ( territorial fiefs) was fiercely and successfully opposed by the local inhabitants…”.

    ” Another loophole was to give the right of inheritance to local women, many of whom probably married Tigrean newcomers and other outsiders. Alula also reportedly exploited Hamasen’s characteristic collective village ownership of land. He confiscated one-quarter of land of such villages for the use of ownership of his Tigrean soldiers, forcing the others to compensate those deprived of their property.”.

    ” In the new centralised regime, Alula’s main functionaries were almost exclusively Tigrean…”.

    ” The muslim tribal zones later contained in the future Eritrea, Assawurta, Habbab, Banu Amir etc…during Alula’ s time, were actually part of the raiding zone. They were not directly governed by Asmara and naturally resisted any central government, especially Alula’s which only taxed and raided them. It was mainly the peripheral tribes which later supported the Italians during the struggle to take the Marab Mellash from Alula”.

    ” Reaching Kunfit on 17 November 1886, Alula camped with his army at the site of the previous year’s battle and sent spies towards Kassala. Since Shaykh Aray had met him with only fifty oxen and fifteen rifles, he again sent the Baria leader to collect more cattle and arms. On 22 November 1886 the ras ordered his army to march some eight miles southwards to the spring of Magalo. There he camped again, became frustrated with his inability even to contemplate an attack on Kassala, and therefore ordered the greatest blunder in the history of the Baria tribes. During the last week in November, two-thirds of the people and cattle of the Baria and Kunama north of the Gash were destroyed.”

    • blink

      Dear Tzigereda
      Is Alula Eritrean ? is not he the son of a village in Tembien, 15 miles south of Abiy Addi, the son of Engda Eqube ? or who else is he , The man was a murderer and a roper , He got his power by divorcing his wife of 3 children. He is an Ethiopian colonizer nothing more .

      • Graviton

        Peace new?

        You are really good at describing wedi afoam! lol

    • Haile Zeru

      Great Tzigereda,
      Thank you very much. The views of Hayat are way abnormal.
      Even though I doubt it, what you put here is of immense help for her. I hope it will open her mind. Does she understand what Alula means to Eritrean lowlanders?

      • blink

        Dear Haile
        The Ethiopian queen does not understand, what she care is her old propaganda files written and edited by Hailesilassie or any Ethiopian or Eritreans unionists. Any one can challenge her on the list she made about ELF but let’s wait for the first hand participants of that time. Some names of villages and dates she wrote is mind boggling to me and it will be more to people who know more than me

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Tzigereda,
      I greatly appreciate for reserving time to read the book and select the relevant passages.
      The parts you have posted help to encourage readers to go and get the book. Haggai’s book balances the one-side narration based exaggeration of Alula’s exploits in one or two battles against poorly armed Egyptian troops that were isolated in out posts, and were compelled to react to the ferocious and devastating raids in areas they were supposed to protect.

  • Graviton

    Peace le Abraham

    The demi-god is a pathological lair, that’s a no brainier, and referencing him will make your argument a basket case.

    I am well aware of victims of such times and where most of them were resettled. They tell stories of how soon right after “independence” they were led to feel un-welcomed aliens and their rights of access to facilities and other things were cut short. Their case was brought up to the light by lower ranking officials in the then gov’t but it fell on deaf ears,and much to the dismay of a true Ethiopian, they left them hanging to dry.

    But hey, i mean, what is done is done and the only way forward will be for all of us to own mistakes made and reconcile for the sake of our future. Specially considering present realities in our region and the consistent effort of the demi-god to set the whole place in ablaze.

  • Selam All,

    While the regime in asmara is wanted by the unsc for a possible crime against humanity, lately we are forced to read that it has committed no crimes and there are no victims of crimes in eritrea. We have been told the skewed logic that if there is no constitution, written law, and a fair and impartial court system, which defines what is crime and when is crime committed, then there is no crime, criminals and victims. In shabialand, where self-deception is a common phenomenon, extra-judicial killings, incarcerations in an unknown dungeons without a day in court, rapes, and forcing people to risk their lives, and turning them into refugees, because they cannot live in peace in their own towns and villages, are not crimes, because the regime has killed the constitution and the rule of law under which these could have been characterized as crimes that call for severe punishment. According to regime supporters, the world community and the victims are unethical, because they say the regime is a criminal and a victimizer.

    Here is an interesting analysis of horn politics, which one should listen to if possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6edNubXcO9A

    • woldeab

      Hi Horizon
      I am baffled by your constant analysis of PFDJ governance and politics.
      Not far from Eritrea, there is a land called Ethiopia. The ruling junta is often labeled as more cruel than the Derg.
      Amaras are being systematically annihilated while their land is being taken by Tigrai.
      Have you recently seen the map of Ethiopia?
      The Oromos are not doing any better than the Amaras. Even though they were part and parcel of creating the new map of Ethiopia ( no Amara was allowed to participate in this process) they have found out that partners in crime had other ways of disenfranchising them.
      My point in all this ” zibazinke” is why are you so eager to complain and b $$$$ about Eritrean affairs while your country is burning?

      Wolde ab

      • Hi woldeab,

        The number one enemy of ethiopia is the mafia regime in asmara. Until it stop sending to ethiopia about 5k eritrean refugees every month, and as long as it hosts the enemies of ethiopia and sends them now and then to destabilize the country, ethiopia is forced to keep thousands of troops at the border in case of another adventure by the irresponsible eritrean regime, it continues to bully smaller countries like djibouti, and it has the plan to leave behind a very bad legacy for the whole region, by sleeping opportunistically with would be arab regional powers, one day with iran and qatar, and the next day with ksa and uae, the pfdj regime remains much worse than your nemesis woyane.

        When you people stop speaking about ethiopia, and when ethiopia is no more the core issue in your politics, the other side will stop too. Due to the oromo, amhara, etc, ethnic discord card you have always been playing, and your dream for the coming to the region of the enemies of ethiopia, like egypt, the pfdj remains the problem child of the region and the main enemy of ethiopia. Therefore, why ethiopians have to watch and remain vigilant.

        One takeaway for you; always try to separate pfdj from the eritrean people. For ethiopia and ethiopians they are two separate things.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon & Woldeab,

          If both sides focused on their own internal issues, we would have been better off and be more fruitful to struggle of our people, whatever those struggle entails to each side. I have said it many times. Talking about other people’s problem while our problems are not less than the other side doesn’t compensate to our frustration to bring change in their respective countries.

          regards

          • woldeab

            Dear Amanuel
            As you can see, that wily fox Horizon did not touch the issues that were put on the plate for him.
            I just came from Addis Ababa and was shocked to no end by the way Weyane is running the country.
            The most illiterate Tigraway is accorded better jobs than the well educated others.
            Enough of this for now.
            Horizon, leave Eritrean issues for the Eritreans.
            You are living in a glass house.
            Address it first, unless you are happy with the status quo

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam woldeab,

            You call Horizon a ‘wily fox’?

            I find him to be a third rate cadre, with plenty of time on his hands to churn out his simplistic views on topics ranging from Eritrea to Donald Trump, while ignoring Ethiopia’s own seemingly intractable economic and ethnic problems that require urgent attention.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            You seem to have a simplistic fixation for anyone with a different narrative than your ghedli hymns. You still travel in and out of Ethiopia freely, while you talk ill of us unabashed. Perhaps you are a shabo spy, who knows.

            You are a perfect example to the ungrateful and unappreciative arrogant many associate Eritreans with. Before you open your mouth and let us see the dust in your brain, help your fellow Eritreans languishing in the desert, hint, start in Libya where they are in a far worse position than a slave.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Graviton the simplistic,

            Leave Eritrea to Eritreans, take care of Ethiopia’s [your own] ethnic, social, religious, regional, and economic [including the millions of street girls] problems.

            What part of what I said you don’t understand?

          • Thomas

            Selam Simon Keleab,

            Your masters have jailed the G-15, our journalists, enslaving our youth with the pretext of military services, detaining any one how happen to have different a view than their mafia/criminals bunch and you like to advise others to focus on their own? If what you asking is not strange, define an irony for us? You never stop and think for a second before such stupid comments, right?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Thomas the cartoon character,

            You are crying here day and night. Don’t you think it is high time for you to go back to Eritrea to fight the regime you hate? But I suspect you are just a windbag.

          • Graviton

            Peace new Simon z Sawa Zombie,

            Are you by any chance a son to one of those street girls? you know, i cant help but notice how you are obsessed with them. Perhaps you are suffering a psycho-sexual disorder growing up in such atmosphere? Geez, ahmm, reminds me of Aba-Shawul, buhaaaaha.

            P.s: i hope i did a nice job of regressing to your level.

          • blink

            Dear Simon and Graviton
            Guys your exchange looks simply below your standards. Leave sisters alone.

            Let’s do it about politics and we can smear many but not our sisters.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Graviton the simpleton,

            You are crying here day and night for no practical purpose. If you want to reverse Eritrean independence try to grab a gun fight. See if you can last one week.

            In the mean time, the Arab tourists are enjoying your sisters with abandon. By the way, you didn’t know, the Aba Shawl ladies hail from your Ethiopia, famed for exporting coffee and ladies of the night all over the world.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            so what do we do with the over two hundred thousandth useless eaters in our border? I mean, they have become a security treat and we might start to deport them for the second time. Till the fastest emptying province stops this mass implosion it remains our business to say/act a thing or two. And please leave your crocodile tears of “the illiterate to the most educated”, we know the end goal!

          • woldeab

            Graviton,
            Selam, selam peace new?
            I have no hidden agenda here. I am telling you what I saw.
            Go to Tele and tell me what language most of the employees speak.
            Go to EAL tell me what % of the emplyees are Tigraway.
            Go to Dehminet.
            Go to the Immigration Office, where I had to go help someone.
            Unless you are blind or on the payroll of the Weyane, you will find no fault in my assertion.
            My problem with Horizon was that he was always analyzing Eritreans and Eritrean causes.
            He has enough problem at home that he should pay attention to.

          • Hi woldeab,

            You write about ethiopian issues and your political discussion is much more in relations with ethiopia, past and present, and yet whenever we are forced to respond, and whenever we say anything about the eritrean regime you start complaining. The problem is that you feel free to say anything about ethiopia and ethiopians. When some of your people call millions of our girls street girls (not for the first time), people simply ignore such foul languages, and some even upvote it, thus showing their real character. I am not accusing you for this.

            Now, about the eal and ethio-telecom and others. We remember when these organizations were dominated by eritreans, from the last employee to the ceo, and we used to say these were eritrean colonies within ethiopia. This was during hsi and the derg period, when you were saying that you were not ethiopians and you were fighting ethiopia. The difference is that the woyanes have replaced you now. At least they say they are ethiopians. With time these problems can be corrected. There is no way things will remain as they are.

            Next time tell us after your visit about similar organizations in asmara, if they are controlled by regime functionaries or by the people.

          • woldeab

            Dear Horizon,
            Abedek ende wondime?
            I am an Ethiopian and I am wondering what gave you the notion that I am Eritrean.
            As such, I have the right and responsibility to question what is going on in Ethiopia.
            I have read your writings for a while. Where is the passion and regret for your country.
            Maybe you think everything is all right back home?

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Horizon,

          You wrote “One takeaway for you; always try to separate pfdj from the eritrean people. For ethiopia and ethiopians they are two separate things.”.

          Can you please try to do the same thing when it comes to Eritrea. Please separate the ERITREAN people from the PFDJ government. Please also separate the ERITREAN Ghedli from the current rulers / PFDJ.

          Although PFDJ was a product of EPLF and EPLF is a product of Ghedli, but the Eritrean people or the Ghidli had no control and have no power to put PFDJ and IA to power.

          Berhe

        • Nitricc

          Hi Horizon: Reading your post, I had stop a couple of times to make sure you are talking about Ethiopia. You sounded like you are talking about United States of Ethiopia. Dude, You are talking about the Ethiopia the world know. The Ethiopia who her citizens starve, the Ethiopia who her leaders are dump and stupid. the Ethiopia who her citizens buried alive under mountains of garbage, by the way that is only happened first time in the world. The Ethiopia that is so dependent on aid become Addicted, are you sure you are talking about the Ethiopia I have described? Get a grip and comedown from the high horse you are at. You guys are good at bragging and stooping your nose at something have no business stooping to.

          • Hi Nitricc,
            It seems as if you are copy-pasting the same comment over and over again. Whatever you say, it is the product of your frustration and your failures. Try to live with it. Ethiopia is a living organism with ups and downs, unlike eritrea that was unfortunate enough to fall into your hands. She could have been a lively country today, if your regime had not hoodwinked the people.

        • Forwork Jeezus

          That’s funny HMD said the number one enemy of Ethiopia was poverty. Eritrea is a threat to Ethiopia, in the same way Russia and China is a threat to the U.S., not a military threat but an ideological threat to their foreign policy.

  • Saba

    Dear HA
    Congratulation for challenging everyone. I am trying to understand your point. Here are some questions that you can clarify for me:
    1) Are you against all Ghedli, including TPLF’s ghedli?
    2) What should have been the alternative to the Eritrean ghedli?
    3) If we had a democratic Eritrea after independence, would you still oppose the Eritrean ghedli?

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Saba,
      Thanks for the questions, and no thanks for the satirical elbowing on me:).
      1) I am against all badly reasoned, poorly managed, highly costly and undelivering ghedlis. Ours qualify for all this. Basically, i tend to support those ghedlis done for defensive and survival purposes. I tend to hesitate to approve ghedlis done as an instrument of social change. But, i am just sharing my opinion with you as they come and don’t get the impression as if i know the answer to your question. I could be totally wrong on this and i am ears to hear yours.
      2) the alternative to ghedli were too many to list. But you should also know that i am not suggesting that we should reverse the course. But from here, we can rework for the better. For example, we have an independent country now. We should be acting as one. We should say no to an extended gjedli life. Our economy should be dictated by our development needs and the market. Our politics should be driven by partisian competition and elections. Our social and cultural characters should be anchored on our future potentials and existing identities. Our foreign diplomacy and national security policies should come from principled and interest driven cooperation and regional harmony.
      3) No, I wouldn’t have opposed ghedli if it had led us to a democratic and prospering Eritrea. Why would i stand opposed to a delivering ghedli?
      That is when answering your question from a hypothetical consideration. However, i would argue that it is nearly impossible ghedlis such as ours would deliver a democratic and prospering nation. The character unfailingly determines the destiny. It would be totally unreasonable expectation to expect that from ghedli.
      Saba, Would you expect a dove from a snake egg?

      • Saba

        Dear Hayat

        Thank you for answering the questions.
        When questioning ghedli for me there is a difference between questioning the idea of starting ghedli and questioning its execution, how it has been done. IF you do not agree with starting ghedli as a right cause then the outcome of ghedli shouldn’t matter to you, even a democratic Eritrea shouldn’t matter to
        you because it could have been achieved with a united Ethiopia.
        But if you agree ghedli was a just cause, the right one but done poorly then you would accept the independent Eritrea and work for its democratization while criticizing how ghedli was done.
        Well i wouldn’t even necessarily expect a dove from dove’s egg if the egg was poorly handled but STILL it was the right egg. To use your analogy, for you ghedli was snake’s egg i.e. wrong cause from the beginning, no matter how it was done and for me it was Dove’s egg i.e. right cause but done poorly.
        Ghedli has handed us an independent nation now it is up to us to democratize it. So instead of bashing the starting of ghedli as a wrong cause it is better to focus on the current issue i.e. how to bring democracy in Eritrea. We should limit the influence of EPLF/ELF rivalry on our current politics.
        Eritrean ghedli has helped to remove derghi and helped Ethiopians to be free, i know Abi&Horizon will not thank us for that but ghedli did help them too.
        Here are two more questions that you can clarify for me:
        1) does the TPLF ghedli meets your criteria of right ghedli and do you believe that it was executed properly with reasonable cost?
        2)do yo support the removal of PFDJ by TPLF’s force?

        • blink

          Dear Saba
          The number 2 question is very easy and any one in this forum can tell that Hayat called for the bombardment of Asmara for weeks by Ethiopian Air Force. She argued on that and believed in that long time before her TPLF regime was not under emergency.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Semere T., Aman, Ismael te al,

    I have seen your discussion about crimes and crimes committed. I am glad at least we have reached to this stage. But before we talk about crimes (of ghedli or anyone else) and such; we need to determine whether the conflict we had with Ethiopia was international or internal conflict. Because war crimes perpetrated in the course of either international or internal armed conflicts (the latter being civil wars or large-scale and protracted armed clashes breaking out within a sovereign state) differ in their treatments. As a starter, mainly the later involves and is dealt with International Humanitarian law (IHL). While the former has two elements of IHL that encompasses treatments of civilians and war tribunals that deals with how the warring factions treat each other. Before and after the hostilities. In addition, there is a penal treaty of war-prisoners; qualified as the Geneva Convention.

    War crimes can be classified under different headings. (i) war crimes committed in international armed conflicts (that is, between two or more states, or between a state and a national liberation movement; and (ii) war crimes perpetrated in internal armed conflicts (that is, large-scale armed hostilities, other than internal disturbances and tensions, or riots or isolated or sporadic acts of armed violence, between state authorities and rebels, or between two or more organized armed groups within a state).

    War crimes are breaches of rules of IHL. These rules normally ban action by states, which are the addressees of these rules. In order for a serious violation of IHL to become a war crime, it is necessary that the violation be criminalized. In other words it is necessary for the law to attach to breaches of IHL the consequence that the criminal liability arises of the individual (be he a state agent or a private individual) perpetrating that breach.

    Dis,

    – If there is any Eritrean who needs an advisor for his/her dissertations in Doctor of Jurisprudence then look no further than the 30+ years of Eritrean war. in addition, I can help you!

  • Nitricc

    Greetings AT, I don’t know if you notice this but your web-site is hijacked and used to spew absolutely trash. Sometimes, it is very hard why thing happen as they do. I was reading news this morning and I read modern destroyer with the most sophisticated radar money can buy can not detect a container ship, that rammed in to it. It is almost impossible a destroyer can’t detect a container ship unless someone was sleeping at wheel. The same thing can be said with what is going on in beloved awate forum. You can’t not let a container ship damage a modern destroyer.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nitricc,
      .
      I am curious about what exactly you are talking about, above and beyond your normal shootings in the dark.
      Leaving the Queen aside, who and what is hijacking the University.
      .
      Let me ask you these 2 questions.
      If you were the CEO of Awate, what would be the 5 main guidelines that will be immediately implemented?
      What do you think it would look like in 6 months after the implementation of your guidelines?
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Berhe Y

        Dear K.H.

        You are probably one of the most objective Ethiopian in this forum. Even when don’t know the history of Eritreans went through, you make an effort to learn and exchange your views genuinely.

        But there are elements in this forum (Hayat being one of them and I put Abi as second) who have an agenda no matter what, the Eritreans are put on a trail for ghedli and the reason they were forced to wage.

        Specially when TPLF / Ethiopia did exactly the same thing and managed to create a group who dominate the country political / economic aspects.

        We have an urgent and more important matter to discuss rather than spending considerable amount of time, energy and resources defending / what has been decided already.

        Not only that, Eritrean founding fathers have been constantly attacked and accused, specially by Hayat (Woldeab WM, Ibrahim Sultan, Saleh Sabbe) and when challenged to present evidence, she moves on as if she said nothing to her next attack.

        It’s quite bizarre if she is Eritrean and Muslim (half) that she would have this stance against Ghedli.

        This forum suppose to be open discussion without having a hidden agenda, so that we can learn, influence and change people opinions based on facts and on truth.

        Trust me this does not apply to Hayat only but also to Eritreans like Gheteb and Sahay as well.

        In light of this, considering the advantages / disadvantages what’s the overall benefit of this forum.

        My suggestion would the discussion should be based on the topic at hand and nothing else. That means people can comment under the subject that’s being discussed, must have some relevance to the topic at hand.

        I think that would make sense to me.

        Berhe

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Berhe,

          When comrade Redi Kifle (bashay) saw the leadership of both organizations sitting without precondition and hinted to compromise, he wrote a long poem denouncing their attempt. Here are few lines I remember;

          ናይ ሓምሳን ክልተን ዕዳጋ
          መን ኣምጽኣ ዝጨነወት ስጋ
          ኣበይ ዲያ’ታ ነይራ ተቐሚታ
          እግሪ መሶብ ዝሰይሐት ጣይታ
          ቀደም ዝነቐጸት ሽባኻ ሓሰውቲ
          ላካ ማይ ኣስትዮማ ሓቢኦም ብታሕቲ::

          Now Hayat and her company are trying the same thing to bring ( ዝሰይሐት ጣይታ)
          even when history has closed the book with an “independent and sovereign Eritrean nation.”

          Second the allegations of crimes listed against the organizations except few are not “verifiable” and some are utterly lies. For example ELF didn’t withdraw to Sahel. There were not clashes between the two organizations in Sahel, and ELF didn’t lose a brigade of its fighters at Adobha in 1978 during the withdrawal. It is Pure lies. One of the mind boggling to me is, if Hayat is an Eritrean, why would she deny the atrocities of Haileslassie on her own people which she characterized it only as excess. And why would she use the blackmailing of Ethiopian regimes to belittle the struggle of the heroic Eritrean people, even after historic success in defeating the successive Ethiopian regimes. Whether she an Eritrean or otherwise, for me it becomes clear that she has a project to blackmail the history of the braves, to create religious rift within our society, in the hope to create hoplessness and reconsider union with Ethiopia. I could only tell her that it is futile attempt that could debunked as Utopian dream. As a matter of fact “Eritrean Nationalism” is the solid bond that hold us together than anything. If she is not aware of that as an Eritrean, she could only be not from us.

          Regard
          Senay MeAlti

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Emma,
            Look, if these were not isuues of life and death, i would have laughed a lot at how logic is being played head down. The status quo is unbearable and killing the nation. This status quo is a direct result of our history of ghedli. I am the anti status quo. I am not the problem. But of the things you accused me of, what you say about my undeclared mission is what puzzles me. When you defend ghedli at any level, you are defending the status quo whether you admit it or not.
            I have a nice example that portrays the status quo keeper and the one who wants to change it. There were two people hungry and in need of food but didn’t have anything to eat. But two others were eating a fresh food next to them. One of the hungry two suggested that they go and try to approach the two and request to join at the eating table. But his hungry friend resisted and said ‘what if they said no!?” “Well, if they say no, we will still be hungry. But we are not eating now either, are we?”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            When did you talk about the status quo? meaning about the regime in Asmara. Never Hayat. Your talk is always about ghedli, that shouldn’t exist to liberate Eritrea according your statement. Am I right Hayat? Worse than that you characterize the struggle of the Eritrean people as the struggle to Arabanize Eritrea. In you report crimes of the organizations, that has religious flavor and that implies the Eritrean Muslims were killing the Eritrean christians, do you thing that will work to bring peace among our communities? Aren’t you scratching the old wounds to exacerbate the current realities in Eritrea? When did you talk about the “life and death” of the Eritrean people? Hayat your words and your statements tells everything what you want to do in this forum. If we are in a debate we can come to a conclusion by deductive and inductive logics and reasoning as to what your mission will be. It is not an accusation, but they are your words, and your words amounts to something, and that something will be your intent.

            regards
            Senay MeAlti

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            Ghedli is a legit topic to discuss it right here. That is because the hardships we are facing right now come from the legacy of ghedli. Otherwise, Eritrea and Eritreans have one of the finest culture and justice loving people. This kind of cruel and wierd system is unfit to survive in our society. The alien system comes from ghedli. I personally think some of the solutions will come from seeing ghedli for what exactly is. So we should continue talking about it not just for the sake of itself but to take lessons and not repeat mistakes. The other thing is, as you csn see, there aren’t many Eritreans who see problems with the legacies of ghedli. That is one good ground for those of us who do to try to tell our views.
            Besides, I think you and Mahmuday are the othet main reason that make me talk about ghedli more than i want to do.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Your argument is mute no matter how many times your bring them to the front. Second when you are confronted with questions regarding all your statements, you go tangential by evading them. Let me talk about myself regarding your accusation (Mahmud will do himself), what statement of mine propelled you to go to the alleged crimes of the organizations ( I mean your allegation)? Lies and innuendo can not change the realities nor do change the mind of Eritreans to regret about their ghedli and their aspirations. You could continue as far as you could push the goal post, I guaranteed you, your dreams of regret in the mind of Eritreans won’t happen. Remember, one who doesn’t believe on the existence of “independent Eritrea” will never think good about Eritrea and its people.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Berhe,
          Et tu Berhe!
          “even you, Brutus?” or “you too, Brutus?”, were the last words ofJulius Caesar to his friend Marcus Brutus at the moment of his assassination.
          I haven’t seen coming all the above ill-fitting comments from you.
          However different an idea is, i wouldn’t be bothered by who is saying it at all. The thought of some folks that i could not be Eritrean is funniest of all. Either i have to be so foolish or paid for. I know i am not foolish. So who can possibly pay me for the kind of thoughts i advance here? The first suspect is Weyane. Seriously, what part of my ideas here would convince the Woyane to pay me? I am smiling when i write this. All i write here is not mainly about them or Ethiopia but about Eritreans and Eritrea. But please help me here, for the life of i don’t know how i am helping them by what i do here but if they can pay me for what i am doing here, it would have been great and help me get paid. By the way, do governments pay for such a service? Who else is a paid awatista? If i am the only one, i must be doing something unique and extraordinary. Yey.. bravo Hayata!
          The other distant suspect of assigning me to do what i do could be Pfdj. It sounds bizarre because i always hit them hard but who knows.. i am accused of diverting the discussion, of taking it back to the past, of not making it solution oriented etc. The only party who could be interested in such an agenda is Pfdj.
          Who else could be interested in my service?! Emmm.. very bizarrely distantly the Awate Team! Why would they be interested in me in a special way! I don’t know… maybe they are happy that i am making the hair of every awatista stand straight up..!
          ——–
          The point is people are uncomfortable with my positions and they go as far as suspecting me of a hidden mission. I know my positions could irritate many. What i don’t understand, why i should be boxed into something merely because i irritate people. if i were not Eritrean, or if i were planted by some entity to sway this forum to their interest, every average smart awatista would have known so with a defnitve authority by now. And nothing bores me to death more than this subject so much so i always get tempted either to disappear or disclose myself.
          Whatever i say here is either sensible or doesnt make sense. There can be nothing outside these two. So if it is the latter, no one should worry except those who are sensible people. If it is the former, nobody should worry either except the ones who stand for the nonesense.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hayat,

            Let me give an example and hope it brings home.

            Have you seen the bombing of Massawa. ABC NightLine with Ted Couple had full coverage.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqtzCyOovQ0

            Why would the actions of successive Ethiopian government you are so trying to defend, bomb and destroy civilians and infrastructure if the consider Massawa and the people of Massawa as their own?

            This is how I see the destruction of the lowlands during HS and Derg time happened.

            My uncle was a school principle in Massawa during that time. He along other civilians was killed in that time. His elder son, who was my age, dropped scholl and went to meda to join EPLF.

            His mother, lost her husband and her eldest son went to Western Eritrea to find him. She didn’t find her son but in the process she got malaria and got sick and died a month after her husband. They had four children, all three were youngest. The whole family fell apart, some of the kids went with family and some of the youngest ended up in orphanage (after my grand mother who was tending to them).

            The young man made it home safe and he was demobilized and was working, and helping his siblings. He was called for the 98 war and he died in the war. I don’t know what happened to the younger once but not a good story at all.

            This is just a typical example of how Ethiopia war creates the breakdown of the whole families.

            If you look at ERITREAN Muslims specially from the lowlands, they have paid the most.

            If you are ERITREAN and of related to Muslims, this type of story should be all too familiar to you.

            This is why I was surprised on the attack on Ghedli and the aftermath.

            What choice do people like my cousin really have against the barbaric acts of the Ethiopian governments.

            Majority of the people who oppose IA do not have a stake or say how Eritrea is currently governed. But that’s that the fault of ghedli, how IA has turned out to be.

            Attacking ghedli and Alianating our national cause does not advance Ethiopia long term interests ( I say this because you are promoting Ethiopia interests). In fact ERITREANs will look for other alternatives to fight back.

            I hate to break it to you, but those people with the same mentality and agenda, destroying the federation and destroying ERITREAN lowlands, who they thought they were doing for the benefit of Ethiopia (as you constantly do) ended up losing Eritrea and in the process, made Ethiopia a Kand locked country.

            Now that Qatar is out, you are crying that Egypt may step in.

            Let me break it to you, that’s the price Ethiopia will pay if it continues with its policy of destroying / weaken Eritrea so that it can control it.

            A strong and united Eritrea is to the benefit of Ethiopia as well, but Ethiopian leaders past or present, they can’t see beating their noses to the danger they are putting their country and people.

            Berhe

    • Mez

      Dear Nitricc,

      Good that the Warship is not in a wAR zone at the time of the incident.

      Thanks

  • blink

    Dear All
    Eritrean people’s struggle for independence was not started 57 years ago on 1st September 1961 but in 1958. Even though both ELF and EPLF leaders have tried to persuade the public that the Eritrean struggle started on 1st of September 1961, by commemorating it every year on 1st September, the Eritrean people’s struggle for independence goes back to the flourishing of political parties in the 1940s, and in the 1950s . We Eritreans were not lucky then and are not now but the aspiration of the Eritreans was not sold to the highest bidder (either to arabs or to any one for that matter). We do not have any cousins be it in south or North when it comes to Eritrea’s independence , except the fact that we have big heart-ed sudanis people.The Notion Amhara or Tigrai people love the Eritreans more than the Sudanis is not only false but some bigoted people have made a name out of this false fair tall. Their job is devoted to spreading this false lies.The English language is chockful of colorful words meaning stupid person, such as: DUMMKOPF” and we can see a comment made by some one who is sleepless of lying.

    They come here to lie about ELF or EPLF yet they do not mention their beloved TPLF crimes. Leaving the weakness and the failure of the flamboyant members and sympathizers of the beasts, and leaving aside for a moment, the ugly record of the Tigrian intellectuals and cadres of TPLF who defended and supported the cruel nature of TPLF leaders and their Bado Shidushte (06) (the notorious security apparatus of TPLF) for many years, without any doubt, the majority of the Tigrian people, particularly “farmers,” were the direct victims of TPLF savagery more than any society in Ethiopia EC (about 1976/1978). People recently exposed the cruelty and injustice done to the Tigrian farmers and citizens by the so called leaders of Woyane Tigray . One of these is from Enderta (around Mekelle) Ato Gezae, the man saw farmers fall in front of his eyes leaving children behind to hunger. There were people like Ato Feseha, and Ato GebreTsadik Woldu who paid life for saying nothing. Ato Gezae was sent to prison and in the prison, what he saw was like the Jews prisoners of Hitler . Ato Gezae remembered that everyday 8 people were taken to death by fire , this cycle continued for months and the most horrifying crime was commited at Easter time . .Ato Gezai Reda was tortured and released after paying Birr 15,000 ($7,500.00), after he was captured by TPLF guerrilla fighters in EC 1969 . The war between TPLF and EDU was horrific as any war yet the unionist of our modern era dare to speak about it.

    Back to the failed vision of these bashers of Ghedli .
    It is worthwhile to mention that the decline of unionist in Eritrea was due to their own failed target .Now the bashers are using carbon copy of this failed VIEW . They loved the bizarre fair-tall of 3000 years old history of feudalism in Ethiopia. In 1940 the Oromo , Gurages , Sidamas ….. and others have no say in the political entrepreneurship of Ethiopia, Tedla bayru and asfaha weldemichael loved the Tigrina and Amhara world of Ethiopia. The unionist wanted the highlanders to believe that some people were and are pushing for more arabization ,This logic failed long time ago when hailessilassie dreamed of killing all muslim Eritreans as well as nationalist highlanders from 1953—-until his death. In 1958 Eritrean syndicated organization were of the streets opposing Ethiopian genociders for 4 days. well who will mention Harakat Atharir Al Eritrea was a force for independence ? no one , the unionist are blinded sided EFFORT.

    what are they saying???? , they wanted Eritrean nationalist to go to Ethiopia instead of Egypt and beg Ethiopia for help ? That is insane.If Asfaha weldemichael was cutting Eritreans head , does it make sense for our found fathers to ask help from any one. YG family of unionist political entrepreneurship are proud to connect Habesha to Jews yet we are told not to contact Arabs , these people simply can not handle the truth.

    • Mez

      Dear Blink,

      Dumkopf, came from German language meaning approximately “dump head”.

      But it is also used as a family name too.

      If you really want to discuss the TPLF activities in those days you have to talk also about TLF, which was leaning more to ELF.

      You seems to be selective and unfocused in your narration of things.

      The mistake done by me cannot make you innocent. TPLF do have its own challenge and crime.
      Thanks

      • blink

        Dear Mez
        I found zero enjoyment for writing about Ethiopia internal matters , I do it just to indicate that you guys have torn windows and doors too. That is all. The Ethiopians presence in awate forum is the main distraction from our main enemy. You do about your emergency and we do ours , lets make a deal ,lol unless ,i can write about TPLF soliders who refused to go beyoned Tigria land at the last days of Dergi. Do you know 10,000 TPLF fighters defied their leaders and disobeyed from going to Amahara and oromo land in 1991 ? I can tell which birgade and who were their leaders at that time ,but i will not because it is your job and as Eritreans we would love to stay in Eritrea’s Issue ,joking

        • Mez

          Dear Blink,

          You are funny and at the samend time highly knowledgeable person.

          Two unusual characters in one.

          Thanks

        • Mez

          Hi Blink,

          ……Are Ethiopian your enemies? OK, Do you want to kill them or jail them or what?

          Please advice.
          Thanks

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear all friends,
    Please excuse my typos… these phones have their own fingers…
    So this is 2nd part of the feed in trying to address what SemereT raised. In the mean time, Sahay presented some 9f the crimes committed by ghedli and I will skip those and add some more examples. But I will focus on the soft/political crimes more than on the hard crimes. It is not a secret what crimes were committed by the two ghedli fronts and their supporters in towns, not just on others and the civil people but also against each other. By the way, within 10 years, Elf and Eplf fought about 55 battles against each other. They have destroyed villages and summarily excuted people., not just in the fields but in towns as well. And such ghedli culture has not stopped even after independence. But since few of those hard crimes committed are already listed by Sahay, I could only add more of the same examples and I wanted to spare you feom the redundancy and in stead give you examples of the other aspects- soft but consequential and devastating political and social crimes.
    One example is that ghedli skewed the Eritrean national narrative towards arabizing it out of its national track and dehabeshanizing it. And this has been so consequential.
    Ibrahim Sultan, one of the most respected Eritrean leaders for the struggle of separation, call him the lowlnader version of WelWel, sold the Eritrean agenda to the Arabs as a typical Arab issue like that of Palestine. He in fact told Arab countries in the open in their summit that Arabs should weaken Ethiopia first in order to weaken Israel significantly. He said “we Eritreans are Arabs no less than the Palestinians”. This was said in the Arab Summit forum.
    Eritrea and we Eritreans are Africans in the Horn of Africa. Why would we tolerate such mischaracterization? This is a political prostitution where service and shame are sold to the highest bidder. Salih Sabby repeatedly told the Arab media that “The Eritrean people have always been Arabs”.
    These kinds of fictitious claims have had consequences on the Eritrean poltical character. Principles and national interests are short-changed for coins even today after independence. Yesterday, you are with the brother Gadafi, today with Qatar and tomorrow with UAE, and then with Iran and then against Iran. In the last 5 years, we have seen changes of sides of the crazy IA like a reckless and drunk driver changing lanes at speed.
    Eritrean narrative should be rooted and grow out of its natural identity, niche and aspirations. National narratives and interests are not wall street commodities. They are part of our national psych and pride. They come from our deep collective character and long term interests. And we should defend them like we do for our territory.
    The other political crime ghedli has committed is the incessant propoganda of animosity it has engineered against our closest cousins. It is as if Eritrea is made of hating Ethiopia and Ethiopians and nothing else. The level of will to go along this line is unbelievably more massive among all ghedli mid level cadres and the elits mass that supports ghedli than even in the top ghedli leadership. The logic of this is not conquerable by me at all. The mention of wall by SemereT ,seemingly jokingly may have some real currency, I am afraid. And if it is not about the wall, it is about bragging of milking Ethiopians, or calling them Amharu Bukhwaru. The sanity of cooperating for common interwst and mutual respect is totally destroyed by the ghedli propoganda. Why do I think this is the case? Because you will never find such contempt or badmouthing of Ethiopians in any manner or language of Eritreans in the countryside or in all the lowlands. It is a poison product made at the laboratory of ghedli and sustained by politically spoiled Eri elites.
    Disclaimer: I am only addressing what SemereT asked. I am not addressing the atrocities committed by the other side on Eritreans. But I will come back with a note in the interest of registering my views regarding those atrocities committed by Ethiopian gvts as well against innocent Eritreans.

    • Thomas

      Hi Hayat sis,

      Would it easier for you to disprove what is happening now than going all the way trying to prove what might have happened decades back? Don’t you think more people would like your voice now than then?

    • Abi

      Dear The One And Only Queen
      Ethiopia and Israel will live forever.
      Long Live Ethiopia!!!!!
      Long Live Israel!!!!

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Hayat, I think is it you who is spreading this hateful propaganda by claiming none-existent hate of Eritreans towards the Amhara or the Ethiopian people as a whole. If you mean hate towards the killers of the HS and Derg regimes who were committing untold atrocities on our people; then you’re right. It was not only hate, but also a life and death struggle which was ultimately concluded by the total defeat of the foreign occupants. The fact that there exists no hate between the two peoples would be evidenced by the cordial and peaceful co-existence between them during the brief period of post-Derg era. Even today, as we speak Eritreans and Ethiopians interact as brothers and sisters whereever they happen to live together, not to mention the generosity and refuge offered by Ethiopians to Eritreans who are fleeing internal oppression. So please, use your time and wisdom for spreading peace and reconciliation instead of hopelessly trying to score cheap political cards.

      • Abi

        Hi Abraham
        I think I missed the good times when the two people lived in a cordial relationship after independence.
        Let me tell you buddy. The cordial relationship was before independence not after. After independence it was robbery by Eritrean government facilitated by your Embassy.
        People were why you didn’t leave just after your independence?

        • Thomas

          Come on, Brother Abi. I see you are a harmless creature, you are just talking because you missed us so much. We miss you to:)

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Abi, I’m talking about people to people relations; not relations between the govs. If it were cordial before Eritrea’s indpendence as you said, then one would expect the relation to be even more peaceful after the guns fell silent and the killings stopped. Abi, how would you expect people who lived and built their entire lives in Ethiopia and by doing so contributed to the Ethiopian economy, to pack and leave within short time to a country that was just emerging from the destructions of decades of war?

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            The people to people relationship you are talking about was severely cut when the victors told us ኤርትራ የግላችን ኢትዮጵያ የጋራችን::
            I sense that you underestimate what kind of situation existed during those days. Why do you think eprdf harnessed all that support from ordinary Ethiopians during the border war? Don’t tell me it is the love of weyane! Nah, it is the revenge for the arrogance Eritreans collectively showed us. Unfortunately you don’t know how to handle affluenza.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            Have you seen the ” flag burning” show in this years Eritrean independence day parade in Asmara? Well that flag happens to be non other than “Ethiopian”. While Eritreans folks were busy celebrating the fruits of ghedli “independence” in Addis, much to the irritation of Ethiopians.

            so how is that “people to people” thing gonna work?

          • Abi

            Hi Graviton
            I don’t have access to EriTv. Burning Ethiopian flag while dreaming to flee to Ethiopia should be the greatest drama of the century.
            It doesn’t surprise me if Eritreans in Addis burn Ethiopian flag. They are capable of doing much more stupid things.
            What is there to celebrate Independence Day while living in refugee camps because of the same independence hoax? It is beyond mind blowing!

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Graviton,

            That is not surprising. They have a lot of reconciliation work to do amongst themselves before reaching out to Ethiopians.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            Ya man, it seems like they had a common enemy (derg/Ethiopia) and not a common agenda post “independence”.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            you seem to ignore how this deportation stuff started, it was innocent Ethiopians who were kicked from the place they called home the minute shabo set foot in Asmara. Eritreans targeted Ethiopians as second class citizen from the get go while they enjoy unparalleled benefits on the other side of the river. Ask Ethiopians deported from Assab and elsewhere in Eritrea how they were treated after independence, i can give you a hint, nothing less than an enemy and they had to restart their lives from scratch.

            The hardest part was to swallow the fact Ethiopian gov’t did nothing while knowing this facts, and even attempted to legitimize it. It was a direct attack on our pride as a symbol of historical and political seniority. You see, your mass deportation started when sensible elements in the then tplf couldn’t take your empty arrogance any more, and while knowing how our resources including state money in our central bank was plundered as a honeymoon gift.

            You have played the “victim-hood” for a very long time, i believe its about time, at least for a change, if you will ever be capable of, to accept the then shortcomings and own the mistakes made in the name of “Eritrean-ism”. Otherwise, this fake “people to people” isn’t gonna cut it buddy!

          • Abi

            Hi Graviton
            Don’t expect response from Eritreans regarding the illegal and inhuman deportation of Ethiopians from the newly independent country.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Brother Ras Abi, see you after the celebration of independence day, July 4th.
            .
            I am looking at the horizon and see the flickering lights approaching. The flickering lights are the torches that are ushering in the Law of the Jungle. They think it is safer that way.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Graviton

            Peace new Kenategnaw ethiopiawi,

            I guess you are right, what a shame.

            why are you banned? I have seen some throwing insults on a personal, ethnic and country level, they still roam this place unscathed.

      • Thomas

        Hi Abraham,

        Good one, ” Even today, as we speak Eritreans and Ethiopians interact as brothers and sisters whereever they happen to live together, not to mention the generosity and refuge offered by Ethiopians to Eritreans who are fleeing internal oppression. So please, use your time and wisdom for spreading peace and reconciliation instead of hopelessly trying to score cheap political cards.”

      • blink

        Dear Abrham’
        They are searching for a map made of Tigrinja people , You can not pass with out noticing the similarity between YG and Eyob the jews guy of Agazian.

        • Thomas

          Hi Blink,

          You abuse the pronoun “THEY” too much. Alwayas, they vs us talk, man you really need help!!

      • MS

        Selam Abraham H
        Does the Tigrigna saying goes like this: nezi ktTeHnas knd’zi trhexa? Hayat will regurgitate what Eritreans have been discussing openly for the last 50 years: crimes that were committed on civilians by the organizations and internally against “change seeker” members of the organizations, including my ex-organization, the EPLF. You see the difference is that the anti- Eritrean camp bring this in order to: a/ discard ghedli; b/absolve past barbaric crimes of Ethiopian regimes. We are not ashamed to discuss ghedli past actions, positive and negative, and we have never been. It is our history. No one I know claimed ghedli was pristine.
        The second point is that it was the Ethiopian regimes and their bratty elites who have been sowing hatred. Case in point Hayat’s litany of accusations. Did EPLF policies and actions reflect what Hayat mentioned of Ibrahim Sultan and Osman Saleh Sabe? Of course not. Did ELF policies and actions reflect her depiction? Of course not. Where Ibrahim Sultan and Sabe the executive leaders of the revolution? Of course not? The next consideration is that of context. When and where did they say those statements? Did they really belied in them or they said them for soliciting recognition and support under very tough circumstances when the world looked the other way?
        Ghedli spread lies?That is plainly a lie intended to spread animosity, something Hayat’s mentors are good at. Why would Ethiopians, with all their diverse social composition, work with Eritrean ghedli if Eritrean ghedli was spreading hatred towards Ethiopians, or they didn’t have the genius Hayat? And who are Ethiopians anyway? The naftagna regimes and their elite who called Eritrean struggle “Petros dollar” bandits? Make no mistake, Hayat has a deep contempt for Eritreans. She is part and parcel of the chauvinist class that bled Eritreans. I challenge her one more time on another front. Hayat please produce any hatred directed towards the people and the nation of Ethiopia. To their credit, Eritrean organizations were mature enough to make sure their constituents understood that the struggle was against the regimes. That’s why Ethiopian opposition organizations from almost all the majo ethnic groups cooperated with Eritrean ghedli.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mahmuday?

          Please tell her to relisten the interview of “Jamaica” how both organizations helped TPLF in arms and to open diplomatic offices in the Arab world and other places. If we were against the Ethiopian people why would we helped all their organizations one way or the other against the oppressive regimes of Addis? The Eritrean people and their organizations do not have any hatred against the Ethiopian people.

          Regards

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            Here is another contradiction in her line of thought. I can tell you I don’t enjoy picking after her haphazard ideas, but I have to do it. Up to this point I have been using her own statements and views to show how acutely selective she is. Here is another one.
            She states Sheik Ibrahim Sultan and Sabe promoted the notion that Eritrea was part of the Arab world, and accuses them of “dehabeshizing” Eritrea. Let’s take Hayat’s statements at face value. Her argument is that ghedli yanked Eritrea from its “Habesha” roots. Now consider this: half of Eritreans will tell Hayat they have no connection to Habesha. So, the irony is that Hayat who makes Habeshanism her basis of wanting Eritrea to stay within Ethiopia, by ignoring 50% of Eritreans, is accusing Eritreans who may have felt they belong more to the Middle East roots than to Habeshanism. If Ibrahim Sultan and SAbe are accused of ignoring 50% of Eritreans, Hayat is also accused of ignoring 50% of ERitreans. If Ibrahim Sultan and Sabe were wrong, then Hayat is also wrong. This is not to confirm Hayat’s assertion or elevate her to the level of those giants, but to trash her incoherent utterances using her statements. Ibrahim Sultan lived during a pivotal period and he, along with his friends (habesha and none habesha) were facing the weights of the superpowers and Ethiopia. He did not have a meaningful role during ghedli. Osman Saleh SAbe has many “Habesha” witnesses in Sudan and they will tell you he was a truly national figure who helped Eritreans and Eritrean cause without discrimination. Yemane Teclegiorgis, an ex-spy of the EPLF who has harsh words for ghedli, testifies how Osman Sabe presented himself and his views to his “sons and daughters (dequ)” or the waiting EPLF fighters, when he entered the field in 1975. He has great reverence for Sabe. There are individuals here who knew him, Emma and IsmailAA may say something here. Organizations are judged by their political programs and their actions. The political programs are public, and the action if clear for all. If ghedli acted as an extension of Arab expansion, at least 50% of our people would not rally around it. There you go Hayat. Honestly, you are throwing to me more than I could chew. Thanks.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Abraham,

        Finally, the project of Hayat is becoming clearer and clearer. She is here to scratch old wounds and to create discordant in the Eritrean politics, in the hope to frustrate our young generation in the current struggle. It is a futile attempt if she really knew the character of our people. To Hayat, let me tell her this: we will overcome the current impasse as we did in the past with persistence and resiliency.

        Regard

    • Sahay Erican

      Dearest Queen,

      God bless you. What you and I have mentioned about the barbric history of gedli is just a tiny tip of an enormous iceberg. The barbaric gedli romantics know it except probably those who did not even know the ELF was always known and called as “Harnet” in the peasants’ land of highland Eritrea.

      Keep it up. The only way to bring a lasting peace to the dehumanized and trashed Eritrean people is through the demystification and deromanticization of the falsified narratives of the barbaric gedli.

      I miss Amanuel Sahle. He was the first Eritrean, not the great YG, that started to challenge the grossly exaggerated history of the barbaric gedli. He was so disgusted by the contents of a regular article that appeared in ሓዳስ ኤርትራ under the title መስዋእቲ ዋጋ ሓርነት እዩ :: It ran long stories that depicted individual or some EPLF soldiers as bullet proof humans and the Ethiopian soldiers as people who could not even use their loaded guns.

      The Eritrean people have two ugliest enemies: the fanatical Eritrean moslem elites and the worthless highland Eritrean useful idiots (the mindless elites). These two groups have brought incalculable miseries and mayhem that will take generations to fix.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Hayat

      Hey Hayat, it is not in my nature to gang-up against anyone irrespective of their opinion – especially ንሓብተይ ጓል ስግር ሩባይ 🙂 But since you mentioned me by name, let me say just one thing.

      CRIMES OF GHEDLI:

      1. – “Sahay presented some of the crimes committed by ghedli and I will skip those and add some more. It is not a secret what crimes were committed by the two ghedli fronts and their supporters in towns, not just on others and the civil people but also against each other.”

      I’m not a lawyer by training, but I truly believe there were no crimes committed during Ghedli by Tegadelties. And I could also dare say, there are no crimes committed since Eritrean independence. The reason (a) in order to accuse someone with heinous crimes you’ve to prove intent (b) you’ve to have an already exiting law that clearly prohibits/outlaws the types of acts that are alleged to have happened. In the absence of such existing laws and without being able to prove intent, criminalizing people without any reference of laws is unlawful, unethical, and irresponsible. I’ve said this many times before and let me repeat it again.

      ሰብ ዓቕሙ እዩ ዝገብር:: ንሰብ ልዕሊ ዓቕምኻ ዘይገበርካ ኢልካ ኣይትውንጅሎን ኢኻ:: When we were Tegadeltis, there was a common political believe (understanding) that engulfed – not just us Eritrean Tegadeltis but also the entire third world countries – Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Reading and inspired by communist books – Capital, Political Philosophy, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’ Communist Manifesto, and Volumes and volumes of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao books……. we truly believed, Politics was exactly like math and science – c^2 = a^2 + b^2 ……. 1/2mv^2 = mgh – type thing.

      We thought there was ONE and ONLY ONE political formula that would get us to our final objective – to our Utopian Society. ሓንቲ ቅንዕቲ ፖለቲካዊ መስመር ጥራሕ ‘ያ ኣብቲ ንደልዮ ማዓርፎ ተብጻሓና ኢልና ብልቢ ኣሚንና – ንዓመታት ርሂጽና: ደሚና: ኣሻሓት መስዋእቲ ከፊልና::

      Believing we are the owners of the ቅኑዕ ፖለቲቻዊ መስመር not only fought our enemies (Addis Regimes) with determination, but also we were killing each other for dominance. And Hayat: please don’t give me your Eritrean Ghedli crimes nonsense. Believing on the same political philosophy EPLF and TPLF eliminated ELF, TPLF liquidated TLF, TPLF liquidated EDU and EPRP, MEISON siding with Derg devastated EPRP, EMALEDEH liquidated MEISON…….

      So Hayat: if it is all about crimes and delivering justice, why selective memories, why selective pain, and why demand selective justice.

      To me, this is a learning lesson for all third world countries and specially for us Eritreans. We’ve experimented with the “we’re right and all others are wrong” political formula for at least half a century. And we’ve nothing to show for it – not unity, not prosperity, not democracy, not rule of law…………. nothing.

      But still, there are many Eritreans among us, even today, that believe the political philosophy that failed us time and again – “we’re right everybody is wrong and the only solution is violence” – is the best political formula to move forward. But as always, I beg to disagree.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Semere Tesfai,
        .
        Let me jump in for a second to respond to what you seem to be saying in practical terms, until the Queen addresses you on the philosophical aspects.
        Semere, I am not a lawyer either, but what you seem to be describing and defending is ..The Law of The Jungle.
        In recent modern times with all the sophistication in marketing, propaganda and group think the following statements were made in broad daylight by 2 Presidents.
        .
        President of Eritrea said the EPLF treatment of Ethiopian prisoners of war was exemplary. We treated them humanely and not a single prisoner of war was INSULTED.
        Mengistu Hailemariam in an interview said….he never killed anyone, not even a FLY.
        .
        There you go…. leaders of …..The Law Of The Jungle. To this day the supporters of these two Presidents jump through the hoop and back to justify their own participation in the project by quoting passages from the Communist religious texts.
        I am not saying wholesale every foot soldier and captain is part of it, they may have their own reasons, but even they have to at least acknowledge the truth that once they were in, they needed to set aside thinking and follow orders. Any questioning or to even be perceived of thinking was a treasonous act worthy of execution.
        That was and is called discipline.
        .
        Again without practicing law without a license, I call that the Law of The Jungle,and under that definition there are no crimes, let me agree with you.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Kim HAnna

          Ask yourself when does an honest mistake become a crime? Let’s see things from a wider prospective.

          WHAT WAS THE INTENT?

          The intent was to better society, to fight corruption, to fight inequality, to eradicate poverty and hopelessness, to close the gap between the haves and the have-nots, to eradicate (put an end) illiteracy, to industrialize farming, to have a 100% industrial society….

          WHAT WERE THE SLOGANS

          ፋኖ ተሰማራ: ፋኖ ተሰማራ – እንደ ሆቺ-ሚኒ: እንደ ቸጎቬራ

          ሚኒስትሮቻችን: ሌቦች ናቸው – በልተው በልተው: መሸሻቸው

          መሬት መሬት መሬት: ላራሹ – ተዋጉለት: ኣትሸሹ

          WHAT WAS THE WORLD REALITY

          The world was divided into two contradicting political philosophies, which to some extent still is. And the political philosophies were (a) rule of the super-rich minority (led by Rich Western countries) (b) rule of the working poor (proletariat) majority (led by Soviet Union and China, the poor countries of Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America).

          And the poor countries who modeled their governments under PROLETARIAT DICTATORSHIP FAILED to transform their society to the ideal society they want to crate. The tide against the ‘classless equal society’ ideology was too much to bare for many communities. Religious institutions were against it, rich people were against it, conservatives were against it, professionals were against it, the rich capitalist world with all its military diplomatic intelligence media economic might was against it…… and that is without factoring the human error.

          And the suffering and the loss of life was the same in every poor “socialist” country of the world. The suffering of the former Soviet Union people (especially under Stalin), the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the Cambodian civil war under the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnam war, the Chilean civil war under Pinochet and the Latin American countries civil war, in Africa the civil wars in Eritrea Ethiopia Angola South Africa……..

          The point: You can take the easy route, dismiss it, and call it “The Law of The Jungle” – and call all the players of half the world leaders who experimented that political philosophy criminals, but that is a simplistic view of the whole thing.

          But the fact is, with all good intentions (at least of many), it was a social experiment that failed, it was a political philosophy that was intended to transform society into ‘classless equal society’ that failed. And many poor societies paid heavy price for it – Eritreans and Ethiopians among many.

          Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selam Semere:

            While I agree with the general sentiments of your thread–that we give one another the benefit of doubt and allow for the reality that things we are certain about could be wrong and resolve to address difference with spirit of reconciliation–I disagree with you on a number of counts:

            1. The world has agreed, via the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that there are some values that transcend all cultures and religions that human beings are entitled to not by virtue of citizenship but by virtue of being human. If a country chooses to be a member of the UN, one of the prices of admission is that the countries leaders have to accept that. Thus every Ethiopian gov was violating this since it joined the UN (a founding member) and the Eritrean gov is obligated since it joined in 1993.

            2. One of the first proclamations the Gov of Eritrea issued was to enforce the Haile Selasse era Civil Code and Penal Codes. Since it was using these laws to hold citizens accountable, the citizens should use the same laws to hold the gov accountable. So all the disappearances, arrest without trial are crimes committed by the gov against the people. This is assuming that the ratified constitution didn’t exist (which it did.)

            3. You make a great point when you say that we have long tried criminalizing each other and we should give it up. True. But you know what else must stop? A culture of impunity where those in power feel they can commit any crime (we have already established that abuse of power is a crime) and they will be untouchable. Unless we do that, unless we loudly scream that th life and liberty of every Eritrean citizen is sacred, we will continue to be abused by this government and the one after it.

            saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saay7

            1. – I perfectly understand your point. And I don’t have any problem, if the PFDJ government leaders are made accountable for each and every action they decided to take willingly (individually or collectively). That being said, the ultimate objective is not to end the PFDJ rule, the ultimate objective is not to bring PFDJ leaders that committed crimes to face justice……

            The ultimate objective is to have peaceful, stable, sovereign Eritrea, that is governed by a better government than the one we’ve now. And, the question that comes my mind and many other is, who is that government going to be? And many Eritreans and I are not sold on the alternative.

            And imagine: the current politics of the Eritrean opposition framed the way it is (along political Islam, Ethnic politics, regional politic…. and factoring the opposition proximity to the Woyanes heart and agenda) – putting PFDJ leaders in hand-cuffs, caging them behind bars, dragging them to open/closed courts – by people who were wining and dining with the Woyanes is a no no thing. Because the outcome is a disaster.

            Saleh: There are million reasons why the government that would follow the current PFDJ regime won’t press any criminal charges against any PFDJ leader. I don’t know why the Eritrean opposition leaders are obsessed with this nonsense.

            The government that follow the PFDJ regime

            1. – Has two hundred thousand young Warsay and aging YiKeAlos men and women to repatriate to civilian life – which is neither cheap nor easy

            2. – Has to create jobs and opportunities in order to create a stable nation

            3. – Has to provide and restore, goods and services to the public

            4. – Has to build trust and friendship among communities

            5. Has to solve land issue delicately and wisely

            6. – It has to resolve the refugee issue wisely and delicately……… just few among many

            Now tell me: Where do you put in your priority list, putting PFDJ leaders behind bars?

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selam Semere:

            Notwithstanding your trademark certainty about the future, who said holding people accountable is equal to putting them behind bars? You keep mixing crime with punishment. In your world, crimes were not committed (there are no laws) and punishment is either unjust (no law, no slam dunk evidence) or unwise (it continues the cycle of vengeance.) Haven’t we all heard of Truth and Reconciliation? You can’t have the latter without the former: it would be adding insult to the injury of the hundreds of thousands of victims of the gov. Moreover you would continue the tradition of treating Eritreans as disposable not worthy of their day in court.

            Peaceful, stable, sovereign are great goals and you can add progress and prosperity to it too. But there are two you keep overlooking: rule of law and justice. Without it, the balance of power between government and governed is always on the side of the government. A gov that has no reason to fear a people always finds ways to ensure the governed live in fear of it. This is true with all kinds of government across all cultures and background: your recommendation is a clear and present danger to the people.

            Using your logic of wide latitude to the government and none to the governed, guess what: the new government will so busy with so many overwhelming nation healing nation building tasks that it too can run roughshod over the people because it won’t have laws either and we “don’t want to criminalize one another.” When does this open season on Eritreans end? Why is it “nonesense” to attempt to stop a culture of impunity where everyone gets away with it?

            On the long to-do-list U made, I don’t know of any serious opposition org or individual that’s not aware of it.

      • Graviton

        Peace new?

        “In the absence of such existing laws and without being able to prove intent, criminalizing people without any reference of laws is unlawful, unethical, and irresponsible”

        So where do you go from there? i mean, how do you make people or “alleged” institutions accountable for any action? how did society manage to function in a relatively civil manner in the old days without the kind of law you’r talking about?

        • Abi

          Hi Graviton
          You are paying attention, buddy.

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            Min larg wedaje, zim kaluachew eko fetfiten enagrus lilun new.

      • Abi

        Hi Semere T
        Very interesting comment. Since there is no pre-existing laws in Eritrea , you are absolving the current regime from crimes committed against the people. Nice try. For someone who is not paying attention, you sound like challenging The Queen. I read different stuff here. You said ” since Eritrean independence there is no crime “. Nice try.

        • Selam Abi,

          No law, no penalty. It is so unbelievable. As long as there is no constitution and written law in eritrea there should be no punishment for the killings, torture and mayhem the regime and its supporters have committed and are committing. They seem to have studied all the possibilities very well to save their skin. They may avoid eritrean courts, but not the icc.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            I’m watching a drama where the former tegadalay scratching each other’s back.
            እከክልኝ ልከክልህ !
            I wish they showed this kind of United front against IA just like they are able to achieve against The Queen. No Chance!
            Funny people.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selam SemereT,
        You are fuñny on two counts. Calling me, jokingly, sigere-dob sister, is one.
        The other is very seriously funny. By your defnition, all the killings done by Elf and Eplf and even the Derg in Eritrea can not be counted as crimes because there was no criminal law book or code written in Eri to make a reference then? This is the most bizarrely awkward and ignorant comment I have come to know from a fully grown up person. Funny!!!

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Hayat

          Selam Hayat

          If you can list criminal acts that were committed by ELF and EPLF but, but, but never been done such acts by Woyane, you win. Now please list the crimes of ELF and EPLF.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay SemereT,
            Will give you some lists to give you a feel and not an exhaustice one, not even distantly close enough to the reality which is much much more horrible. Following the “we are arabs and predominantly muslims” escalated agitation by top Elf leaders such as Idris Adum, Idris Kalaydos and and Salih Sabbe, several Christian villages were destroyed and inhabitants massacred by Elf units in the western llowlands of Eritrea.
            In July 1965, in Tokhombia area, Elf unit killed 47 Christian peasants and took several hundreds of cattle.
            In December 1965, a Christian village in the Keren area was totally burnt. Girazmach Yosief and his entire family were consumed by that fire.
            Similarly, villages were torched at Qohayn and other places in the same year.
            According to Zewde Gebresilassie, in 1967, about 50 Christian teghadelti were killed in the “district of Sanbare” and another Christian contingent of 25 men were wiped out along with their leader Gilla Ghirmay.
            According to Eplf’s document called Politicawi Timhrti, after Wolday Kahsay, commander of the 5th division of 5th zone (predominantly constituted of kebessa fighters) fled to Kessala with only 19 men, the rest members of the division were vertually decimated.
            In 1969, another rift developed in Elf forces between the Barka and the Red Sea boys, where the former ruthlessly crushed the latter killing or forcing in to exile of several hundreds of teghadelti from the Red Sea area.
            In 1970, teghadelti leaders from Kebessa, such as Kidane Kiflu and Wolday Goday were executed in Kassala by the order of Elf leadership.
            According to the personal Notes from Teklehaymanot Abraha and Moges Fasil, the Elf Revolutionary Council led by Idris Adum decidedly crushed the so called Obel Group and killed several members of the group in 1971, sparing very few who were able to reteat to Sudan. It was an all out onslaught that meant to fear onto other factions as to what happens when they defy the Elf R.Council.
            Only between 1972 and 1974, Eplf and ELF went for each others throat and in the process about 2000 fighters are believed to have perished.
            This was a period where civilians were not spared from the fires. 55 Christian peasants in the village of Debresina were killed and 200 houses burnt by the Elf. At a village of Adamdam, Elf fighters orderd residents into their homes and set them on fire, and everyone teying to escape from the fire was shot. This is a story captured and reported by The Sunday Times of May 10, 1971.
            An Elf leader surrendered to the Ethiopian gvt and interviewed and quoted by The Sunday Times, said that his unit alone killed 90 men between Jan to April of 1971.
            In 1973, few left from the Obel group didn’t agree with Sabbe’s The Red Sea group and decided to join the newly reorganized Eplf. On their way, they were all annihilated by Elf forces before reaching their destination.
            In 1978, the Ethiopian gvt launched a massive offensive. The need for strategic areas of retreat to escape the massive assault led both Fronts to race to Sahel. The Eplf crushed an Elf brigade at Adobha and blocked the rest of Elf forces from penetrating Sahel, leaving them totally expposed from behind.
            In 1980/81, The liquidation of the Elf… this was totally devastating for the Elf at the hands of Eplf. Only 5000 Elf fighters were abĺe to cross the border to Sudan.
            In the mid 1980s, the Kunama people in Gash Setit were massively crushed into submission.
            The unreported and under reported Crimes committed on individual levels have no comparison. Maybe we will be able to list them here one day.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Hayat,
            You said:
            ” 55 Christian peasants in the village of Debresina were killed and 200 houses burnt by the Elf. At a village of Adamdam, Elf fighters orderd residents into their homes and set them on fire, and everyone teying to escape from the fire was shot. This is a story captured and reported by The Sunday Times of May 10, 1971.”
            I doubt very much the numbers you are putting i do not know where you got it from.
            That same village was attacked first by ELF and then by EPLF. That shows there was something wrong with conduct of the men in that village. Obviously you chose to list the attack by ELF because it plays into your moslem/ christian narrative.
            Most of the peasants in Debressina were Netche Lebash at that time. Some of them were harrassing the villages in their vicinity. Many moslem an christians lost their lives in that same village at the hands of Ethiopian soldiers.
            To make a long story short, at the end it was EPLF that attacked and made most of the men surrender. They held them in Sahel for couple of months and released them. The leader of the Netche Lebash run and went to Elabered. Elebered was overrun by EPLF. He escaped again and went to Keren. Keren also was liberated and Woldai ended up in the hands of EPLF.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Haile,
            Why would you say that? If you more or different facts, tell us. But you don’t have to judge or assume about my intentions while you can ask anything and get them straignt from me. I am tired of the projected aura as if one is more entitled to judge the other.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Hayat,
            -You mentioned a village (Adamdam) that I never heard of, eventhough I grew in the area.
            -Described a terrible event that was done to the people of that village by ELF, that I never heard of, eventhough I grew in the area.
            …and now you are asking me to bring facts!
            At least check your sources. Instead of grabbing anything that blackmails the Eritrean people and struggle.
            The issue about Debressina is completely different than the way you tried to portray it.
            I followed your writing for sometime. Forming an opinion is normal. It is just human. And I cannot help it but conclude that for whatever reason your writing suggest you harbour an ill will towards the Eritrean people. Forget Gedli, it is a short bleep, spike in time.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat, you said “Only 5000 Elf fighters were abĺe to cross the border to Sudan”. If we take some rough estimate, the ELF had at that time at leat 30 thousand fighters, something comparable to the EPLF. So you’re telling us that around 25 thousands of ELF fighters were liquidated in 1980/81?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            Unfortunately, she is making white lies and blunders, day after day. I don’t think she will retreat from doing those mistakes as far as she thinks it works for her mission. It is unfortunate such smart person to engage in tarnishing our history and our aspiration. But then aren’t the smart people who try to challenge the wheel of history to influence negatively?

            regards

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Aman, no sane Eritrean could say the Eritrean Revolution of the Cold War era was any where near to be perfect. That is impossible; there is no revolution that is perfect. The very fact that Eritrean brothers and sisters were killing each other under the leaderships of different organizations is a clear example of the flaws of our revolution. But the general cause of the revolution for the removal of the oppressive Derg, and ultimately, for self-determination was widely accepted within the Eritrean society, and that is why the struggle truimphed at the end, despite the huge challenge before it. There is no problem in discussing all the negative and positive aspects of the revolution as long as we’re fact based; by doing so we could understand our current situation, draw lessons from the past, and seek better solutions for the future. But I’ve reservation to the approach of people like Hayat; because their intention seems to be more cynical; when they only focus on the negatives, hopelessly trying to instill the feeling of regret among Eritreans for the choices we made decades ago, and a choice that ended with the establishment of indpendent Eritrea.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abraham.,

            That is precisely what hayat is doing “instill the feeling of regret among Eritreans”. The good thing is Eritrean nationalism is the strongest bond that hold us together.

          • Hayat Adem

            Emma,
            I am being surprised as to how you are reducing yourself from a firm and principled prominence fast to a slogan carrier.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Your slogan is “union” and my slogan is “Independent Eritrea”. What makes you different than me Hayat? We are for different cause? Aren’t we?

          • Hayat Adem

            Emma,
            Wow… you are so hot. What happened? This kind of guarded protection for ghedli is what makes me agitated to hold it by the very horn. Whenever I say something about ghedli, the sensitivity I see from you and Mahmuday invites me to go further than I thought. There is no one here saying union. I never said union. It has been decades since even the Ethiopians dropped that and they have proven to themselves that union was not worth fighting. And you don’t need to say independent. Eritrea is indpendent already. To carry that slogan is an anti climax. For the sake of a debate though, you will agree with me that a voluntarily set, fairly worked and well functioning union is not bad, at least it is not inferior to a suffocating totalitarian independence l. Of course that is unless the grand and higher purpose of your fighting was to just see a map and a flag.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hayat,

            What for all this sweating and bashing against ghedli and tacitly condoning the act of Haileslessie Hayat? What for is comparing Haileslassie era and Issayas regime. Add to it you don’t believe on independent Eritrea? Why are you making all this your alleged crimes report of ghedli and blackmailing ghedli as Arab oriented cause.? Do you want me to close my eyes without defending the history of the brave men and women from your lies? Yes securing my country and my its flag is equally important as fighting to emancipate my people from the dictatorship of Issayas. You see Hayat I can not stop exposing your lies especially on the history of the brave Eritreans who liberated Eritrea and helped Ethiopians to liberate from the grip of Mengstu Hailemariam. Can’t you at least honor our braves for what they do for Ethiopans even if you do not believe on our independence? Sad Hayat.

            Regards

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Semere T,

        Let me tell you straight on your face: if the statement below also include to the current regime, I can only tell you that you are an accomplice of the heinous act of Issayas and his circle.

        “In the absence of such existing laws and without being able to prove intent, criminalizing people without any reference of laws is unlawful, unethical, and irresponsible. I’ve said this many times before and let me repeat it again.”

        Semere, where did you learn accusing perpetrators of crime and inhumane act to be “unlawful and unethical” to persecute them in the court of justice? Is that the reason why the evil regime is conducting “without a constitution and rule law” in order to inflict and oppress our people without any accountabilities for a quarter of century? And yet you are condoning and trying to decriminize the evil regime. ናትካ ነገርኳ መስደምም እዩ:: ፖለቲካዊ ጣኦት ዘሎካ ትመስል ሰመረ ሐወይ::

        Regards

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Aman,

          Though our brother, Semere T, had modified his comments by stating that he is not a lawyer by training, it seems to me that he did not adequately on the message those words carried. Otherwise, somebody of his status and caliber could not have missed it.

          Sometimes dual loyalty could bisect someone’s thoughts. On the one hand, one may be driven by need to defend and celebrate the virtues of his/her past, and on the other hand, and at the same time be swayed similar need to defend the status quo that passes his/her judgment – burden of sandwiched mental set up.

          In this case, too, it’s always fine allowing space for the benefit of doubt until our brother comes back to weigh in and clarify the context and substance of his statement.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ismailo:

            I think I gave him a room to explain further to his statement by using the word “if”. In other words giving him room to elaborate whether his statements include to the current regime, or only to the ghedli era. But I suspect our brother Semere is part of the “structural anomie” as described by sociologist that brought the “normlessness” to our society – an alien culture and social condition that contradict with the norms and values of our society. If he is not, let me hear from him. I am all ears.

            Thank you brother
            Senay MeAlti

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat

          – Tell me, what crimes have EPLF leaders done/committed that the ELF leaders didn’t? If the current PFDJ leaders are criminals, then I challenge you to list names of heroes of the Eritrean revolution that served under ELF and EPLF?

          – In your mind, were the Eritrean-born military commanders (from the lowest level to members of Derg), the security agents, and the elite commandos who were instrumental in burning, killing, torturing, and raping my sisters and my mothers (and yours), serving Haileselassie and Derg agendas criminals?

          – But knowing all that, to move forward to achieve the ultimate objective, didn’t we forget and forgive, and let them join us in the liberation struggle? What have the PFDJ leaders (high, mid level, low level) ranks done worst than those who were instrumental to the Haileslassie and Derg regimes.

          – Trust me Aman, and let it be clear to you and to all – I will defend with pride my Tegadelti (ELF and EPLF) brothers every time over the Derg And Haileselassie servants – specially those, who never repented and fought us tooth and nail to the bitter end. And you can take that to the bank!

          Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            What for is this comparing tegadelti with derg or Hailselassie armies? It wasn’t either in your first comment which I commented on it. I commented on your statement that is quoted in my comment. What is this “hidma Ebuyat”? Answer my question to your statement. Leave alone a life I lived as tegadalai, even those who wasn’t part of the ghedli journey wouldn’t compare tegadalti with the occupying army who were lotting and killing our people.

            Now, leaving aside the crimes of the leaders of the organizations (ELF and EPLF) on their ranks and files during the 30 years (reasons: the nature of the armed struggle was dictated akin to the survival of the fish, call it law of the jungle), I was pointing out about the crimes of the regime, as a government of Eritrea, that governs its subject without constitution and rule of law for 25 years. Aren’t you trying to absolve the crimes committed by the government? If your statement include to the current government then defend your statement for you are trying to decriminalize the regime. By doing that you are part of the crimes by association and defending the criminals. Don’t forget the families of the victims are reading and hearing your bizarre arguments.

            regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel

            Amanuel: criminality is proven in a court of law. Every Eritrean is innocent until proven guilty.

            What are “the crimes of the regime”? Is, not having a constitution for 25 years a crime?

            I told you before and let me repeat it again – ነንሕድሕድና ምውንጃል ኣየሳርሓናን እዩ:: Many mistakes have been done – before and after 1991 by Eritreans from all walks of life – many with ethnic, regional, religious flavors.

            Reconciliation, building trust and confidence, forgiveness….. is the way to move forward – not criminalizing each other.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            Still you didn’t elaborate or defend your statement. Mistakes and crimes are different, crimes are killing, disappearances, jailing without crimes and without bringing to the court of law, and all the practice of punishment by the security apparatus and are not forgivable only dealt with the court of law. Mistakes are common human flaws and are forgivable. Brother can not overlook crimes as mistakes and undermine the feeling of the victims. Crimes are crimes and mistakes are mistakes.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel

            Aman: Alleged crimes are not crimes. The crimes – “the killing, disappearances, jailing without crimes and without bringing to the court of law, and all the practice of punishment by the security apparatus” that you’re alleging has to be proven in a fair and impartial court of law to qualify as crimes. And we’re not there yet.

            And since we’re not there yet, they are not crimes because some opposition organization(s) or someone from the opposition said so.

            And such allegations are counterproductive – ምኽንያቱ: ኣብቲ ንደልዮ ንኽይንበጽሕ ይዕንቅፈና ‘ምበር: ኣየቃራርበናን እዩ::

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            So you are not observing, that people are disappearing by the government, jailed without showing to the court of justice for decades and dying in jails. You don’t know prisoners who are not known their whereabouts and can not be seen by their families? Are you sure Semere? Ask to the families of Okbe, Solomon, Haile, sherifo, Aster , Saleh Kakiya….etc and all the journalists. Isn’t the imprisonment of these heroes and heroine is still alleged crimes by the government and still unable to see the court of law? What are you talking semere? Could you have a sound sleep by denying the predicament of our people? Really? Keep in mind you are saying tacitly that there are no victims of the government.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel

            Sorry, I’m about to head home now. Hold that thought for next week. I will answer any question you got.

            Thank you for engaging and thank you for all the respect. ሰናይ ቀዳመ-ሰንበት ንኹልና::

            Semere Tesfai

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Semere T.,

        – In order for an act to be considered as a crime it is not necessary to pre-suppose the existence of a law against it

        – An act can be considered as a crime, even if there is no intent, by the mere fact of negligence

        – Guerrilla movements are in the business of fighting violence with violence. Most of the time, they also solve internal problems through violence. This is not surprising. Those who expect guerilla movements to behave like Scandinavian Social Democrats are totally clueless. By the way, before calming down, the Scandinavians in particular and the Germanic tribes in general have been terrorising the whole of Europe for centuries.

        • Mez

          Dear Simon,

          ….for one century….to be exact

          Thanks

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Mez,

            From the start of conflict with the Roman Empire [105 BCE] through the Anglo-Saxon invasion Britain [starting 410 CE] all the way to the Norman invasion of England [1066 CE], which is roughly 1200 years.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Simon KaleAb

          1. – “In order for an act to be considered as a crime it is not necessary to pre-suppose the existence of a law against it”

          I’m just curious, are the laws that you’re alluding, laws that don’t apply to global powers (ICC, Human rights, international criminal law……) that are written at the UN specifically designed to bully small, poor, weak nations and that are used on needed basis? Or these are laws that applied in every nation of the world, big and small, poor and rich?

          Meaning, can a US, British, French, German, Russian….. citizen get punished, by a law that never existed when the crime was committed. Can you give us a memorable (recent or old) or a common type of ruling that could shade light on what you just said. Again just curious to learn!

          Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            – I am not referring to laws based on Article X, Section Y, Clause Z. These are man made laws. However, as a community that had followed the Judeo-Christian tradition long before the current World powers existed, we have a duty to point out and criticize some of the excesses of our government, based on our traditional morality.

            – I am not in the business of criticising the violence that happened during Ghedli as it is futile.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Semere Trsfai,

            I called you many bad words, but now you surpassed all of them. I never heard a sane person making the statements you are making. Probably the members of this forum consider you ዓሻ or ግሉል and they do not bother responding to you.
            Anyway analyzing your statements is useless. Because they are patently false. If you kill some one you comitted a crime. Regardless if there is a law or no law. I do not need to elaborate on that. All people
            minus Semere T. Know that.
            The only thing I want to say is in Eritrea there are laws that predate Gedly. They are ሕጊ እንዳ’ባ። one of them that I am familiar with is ፍትሕ መሓሪ። this መሓሪ the person after whom the law is named is my 35 grand grand …father. Therefore it is estimated that this law is about 500 to 600 years old.
            The main point here is that ፍትሕ መሓሪ has a section that deals with crime and not only murder but attempted murder is a crime.
            Second, if the US law cannot be applied in time that preceeds it, no problem it is easy to make a law that does of course it will be based on the traditional laws.
            If i am not mistaken the AWAJAT the eritrean government issues are applicable to events that preceeds them.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Haile Zeu

            Haile: we’re talking here about crimes of Ghedli (crimes of ELF and EPLF) and and crimes after Ghedli. OK! And this is my question to you:

            1. – ” If you kill some one you comitted a crime.”

            Does that mean the folks in the opposition haven’t killed anyone during Ghedli or after Ghedli?

            2. – “You are claiming there was no law in eritrea before Gedly”

            No sir, that is not what I’m saying. What I said and what I’m still saying is – what we did during Ghedli was commonly understood as ‘a right thing to do for a right cause’. And it would be immoral, unethical, and unfair to the former Tegadeltys, 20-30 years after the fact, to pass brand new laws that criminalize the acts of Tegadeltis, and retroactively punish them for their past actions. That’s what I’m saying.

            3. – This is the logic of the Eritrean opposition arguments

            A. – There is no penal code and there are no legal institutions in PFDJ’s Eritrea. In PFDJ’s Eritrea, there is only rule of the jungle

            B. – PFDJ leaders have committed heinous crimes against humanity

            C. – PFDJ leaders must be brought to the court of law to face justice, and the PFDJ organization must be disbanded and outlawed

            Now, explain to me: In the absence of national penal code in the nation, and in the absence of legal institutions, how could you have a fair trial, without any bias and prejudice against the alleged PFDJ criminals? What legal instructions would the court be given, and what legal references would the court have during its proceedings?

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selamat Semere:

            With all due respect, you think you are showcasing the lack of logic from the Eritrean opposition but all you are doing is showcasing your lack of information of the objective reality of Eritrea:

            1. One of the first proclamations that the Government of Eritrea issued in 1991 was to adopt, with minor modifications, the Ethiopian Penal Code of 1957. This Penal Code was operational in Eritrea until it was replaced in 2015;

            2. It is this penal code that the Government of Eritrea used when it accused the G-15 of cowardice, capitulation, etc because these are actual articles in the Penal Code of 1957.

            3. The problem is that while the Government doesn’t use the “we don’t have the resources” excuse to arrest people (by building more and more and more jails), it always uses the excuse of “we don’t have the resources” to build court systems.

            4. Thus, a citizen doesn’t have the ability to accuse the govt in a court of law that it is violating the penal code when it abuses its power (Article 414); carrying out unlawful arrest (article 416) or forcing people to convert from their religion (banned denomination to approved denominations of Christianity.) If, for example, your compatriots the Kunama and the Afar say that the government has enforced their deportation or expulsion from land (Article 281) then they have no means to bring a case against the government or its officials.

            5. This takes us to the positions (plural) of Eritrean opposition groups, which are all defensible:

            (a) the Law has no authority because the lawmaker is not a legitimate representative of the people but someone holding power at the point of a gun; (this is the traditional oppositions position)
            (b) the Law is selectively used (there is no equality under the law) and this has created a culture of impunity where gov officials have no fear and can committ crimes without fear of repercussions (this is the position of the young, exiled opposition who are flocking out of the country by the tens of thousands.)

            Of course,a Penal Code is written to protect the State from the citizens. There is another document, written to protect the citizens from the State, which would have been an excellent tool. But those who love the culture of impunity (the gov) and whose who support them unconditionally have made sure that document, the constitution, will never be in effect.

            Now, why are you surprised that people who are denied a national mechanism would use international mechanisms?

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Semer T. You said:
            ” If you kill some one you comitted a crime.”

            The above is my statement that you quoted.
            Below is your question.

            “Does that mean the folks in the opposition haven’t killed anyone during Ghedli or after Ghedli?”
            How on earth can you come with such question based on the statement ” If you kill some one you comitted a crime.” I think you are loosing your sanity.
            “Now, explain to me: In the absence of national penal code in the nation, ” this is false read SAAY POST BELOW.
            “…and in the absence of legal institutions, how could you have a fair trial, without any bias and prejudice against the alleged PFDJ criminals? ” I told you already there laws, local, national (Saay), and international, that is right ICC. and there are qualified judges that can apply all those laws. Why are you worried about the fate of the criminals i PFDJ? Are you one of them?0

            “What legal instructions would the court be given, and what legal references would the court have during its proceedings? ”
            Depends which courts will prosecute them. For example the same instruction that were given to the judge that ptesided on CHARLES TAYLOR case.

  • blink

    Dear all

    Here are the people I guess do not agree with this so called Tigrai made Queen
    1.MS ..,
    2. Ismael ..,
    3. Amanuel …
    4. Saay …
    5. Berhe
    6. Abraham
    7. Haile zero
    8. Nitricc
    9.Tsigereda
    10.peace
    11.semere Tesfai
    12.Tes
    13.The list can be expanded but minus
    Abi , sahay, Horizon, Mez , Thomas , almost all Ethiopians except Fanti Ghana.

    People are very curious by nature and I wonder about these Hawi leyto or leftovers of Abyssinia crazy people. While the class struggle had been replaced by an ethnic struggle for supremacy in Ethiopia . In this zero-sum struggle, a people are set against a people ,all this is in Ethiopia while they keep their dirty work in this forum . We heard what Gebre-Medhin Aray (former financial officer of the Tigrean ethnic movement) said about her beloved TPLF , we also know what happened to EDU or TERNAFIT , so what is the reason they keep coming to lecture as about Eritreans revolution ? I am just curious because I am human being. Why doesn’t she talk about the dictator and current events be it in Eritrea or Ethiopia if she cares for justice ?

    First and foremost we Eritreans started opposing Ethiopian colonial power from 1940s , yet they assumed it started in 1970s. She wanted to tell us that” she admire Tegadalay but not the GHEDLI , she does not 🚷 ,she is a chameleon in the desert looking for big tree. What she keep saying is that ,We Eritreans must live with Tigrain lead Ethiopia in peace but only after they dismiss our history and all in all forget the crime committed by Ethiopian leaders be it meles , dergi and Haile.

    Here defense is a lose game and she believes she can possibly influence our youngsters and some times some chubby people. The truth about her beloved TPLF is written only by her. But some people some where do know she is expired fish in the head.

    The truth we know looks like this , Ethiopians are ..,Ethnically re-mapped, aid-dependent and landlocked, peripheral Ethiopia is featured as a “developmental state” in the contemporary world of nations. Despite the fact that one in ten Ethiopians requires international food aid, it is considered a fast-growing destination for foreign tourists and capital.

    Here is the truth, our armed revolution was a must and there was no other means . Any one who try to lecture us some thing is a day light lair .Her Words all only accurate to bigoted people.

    • Abi

      Hi Blink
      Fanti calls her Princess!!

      • blink

        Dear Abi
        Yes may be he wanted some cash from EFFORT?? Joke, he wouldn’t debate our grievances done by your cruel leaders.

        • Abi

          Hi Blink
          What grievances are you talking about? All I know is you were the cream of the society.
          Why does Fanti need to talk about affluenza?

    • MS

      Dear blink
      I love your data driven counterargument. Please keep it up. Kemaka/ki ybzHU. i bet she is not going to answer your question but let me try. Years ago I called her a wolf in sheep’s skin. These past days, i have tried to show why that fits her. Let me answer your question: Why doesn’t she talk about the dictator and current events be it in Eritrea or Ethiopia if she cares for justice ?
      Well, she is not here for solutions to Eritrean problems. She is here for the dissolution of Eritrean nationhood. She holds a deep contempt for the Eritrean brand. That’s all. Discarding ghedli discards the cause ghedli was fought for. That is why she zeroes in on ghedli. Her recent medical analogy is even more laughable. She agrees, at last, that ghedli had a valid cause, then she says ghedli was wrong because it did not have the package she believes would have been appropriate (she does not tell us what package). I don’t know what package she is talking about but she fits the Tigrigna saying “ab kuinat zeywe/Ale ybeleH. We know that examining things in hindsight is always 20/20. (perfect)… however, when the subjects faced terror and humiliation in real time, they fought back with whatever tools and theoretical packages they had. All social revolutions start with a spark and the process takes its course. Eritrean revolution also evolved through time. When student movements started in Ethiopia in 1970s, they did not expect it would be hijacked by the military; they did not expect the ensuing years of terror and war. People felt they needed to fight back the king but in the process, they were hijacked. Libya, Yemen and Syria are living examples. This is to show that there is no revolution/uprising which begin based on confidence coefficients. Having said ghedli was wrong then she says embracibg the king was not feasible. Then what?
      The type of revolution Hayat is talking about could exist only in laboratories where cost/benefit aspects are studied and the process is controlled. She knows this type of social process exists only in the processing of materials. She demands that Eritrean ghedli should have behaved like a processing plant!
      Dear Hayat, ghedli materialized its goal spectacularly. Its goal was to enable Eritreans decide their future. Eritreans chose to establish a nation. We have entered a process called nation building. And what we are doing is part of it. The fight for the rule of law is part of nation building. Surprise!!
      PS: If there were other options why wayanay revolted hayat? Why do you put the burden only on Eritreans? How many ghedlis where in Ethiopia during the years Eritreans were waging their ghedli? Don’t you think your unrealistic hindsight assessments, from the comfort of a settled life, is a bit arrogant? Do you really think we did not have people who could opt for the less costly option?
      Anyway, dear, blink, thanks God, Hayt is not the rule.

    • Selam blink,

      It has always been the same and nothing has changed. If somebody tried to disagree during gedli, his fate was disappearance from the face of the world, when the g15 disagreed with dia, they simply disappeared into the thin air and nobody knows where they are, and now, one woman dared to disagree, and she is going through the worst type of inquisition, and one may even say conspiracy.
      For christ’s sake leave her alone. The history and legacy of gedli is not in danger from her, or any other person who criticizes it, but from those who react irrationally.
      You should know the amharic proverb, “አንድ ሳር ቢመዙ አያፈስም ቤት፣”. Call it this, and leave her alone, unless you want to make her an example for anybody who dares to criticize gedli in the future.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Horizon,
        .
        Nothing changes, everything gets recycled in due time.
        I was going to demand the honor of being listed by name with you and Abi, on this blink’s list of LIABILITIES and ASSETS.
        I know the liabilities list is longer but when the queen is added to our side of the column, would you believe it the ledger balances.
        .
        I know we are exasperating her situation, specially when they begin floating the innuendos for the 3rd round of recycling. You are right nothing changes. What is the name of that movie…
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Thomas

          Hi Kim Hanna,

          I am just happy I am with the Hayat and NOT with Blink. I can see he is one of the “Fenji regachoch”:) I know DIA uses such kind of people to ignite wars like that of the Badme Wars. I sense he is very emotional and who would only thing about what was done yesterday and would ignore today even if it going to be much worst than days before. Such people are programmed to only focus in the past. Moreover, I am honored for he put me with the Ethiopians list:) Belonging to a 100 million people who tolerate or accept each other is a blessing. On the other hand, belonging to 3 million who cannot stand each is a curse. This is the fact. Look at this people how they are grouping against Hayat. Hayat is just expressing her powerful ideas and they cannot stand her? She never put a gun on their hands to accept her noble ideas. Look, she has to put up with people like Blink, Semere T and now with Amma, Ismael joining the “dedeboch” group. I have to tell you these are the kinds of people who got us into the Badme war and more Badme wars are about to come if these people are not being stopped.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Thomas,

            Brother, You lose your sights to the extent of undermining your Eritrean identity, when people provoke you. Not good. Do you have to say:

            “Moreover, I am honored for he put me with the Ethiopians list:) Belonging to a 100 million people who tolerate or accept each other is a blessing. On the other hand, belonging to 3 million who cannot stand each is a curse.” Why would you opt alternative identity, even if they lamped you with Ethiopian. Who would fight for your identity more than yourself? Let me tell you, I am one of the many who was blackmailed as weyane or Ethiophile. I fight back with a reflexive mood persistently to hold my ground and my identity. That is the nature and the character of a fighter. So brother cool down and keep your posture as a fighter brother. Our country is for your generation and the generation that follows. Fight back.

            If you support Hayat’s argument, ask her to make a cost-benefit analyis for the current struggle, because she is accusing us that we didn’t make cost-benefit analysis before we start the ghedli-project. Isn’t it funny to be a hindsight judge rather meeting the challenge we are confronted with. So what her solution to the current predicament? Nada, none. Remember, do you think the things she is doing can not be done by you or anyone else for that matter to give judgement after things are set and done? I don’t think so. The difficult thing is to find solutions and confront the current abnormalities.

            Regard

          • Thomas

            Hi Amma,

            I only have one thing to point out to you, that is NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY MY IDENTITY. So, I don’t need to fight to regain my identity, I am who I am because my parents are ERITREANS. ONLY those who have identity crises are to worry about their identity. Most of the mafia groups ruling our nation have tigrian origin or called “deki 40’s” and I strong believe they are doing what they are doing because they tend to have an identity crises.

            Again, it is not about identity but the behaviors of people like BLINK. It is the fact they never learn from the past, doing/thinking the same thing over and over again and expect to get (a) different result/s.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Thomas,

            Thank you for the response. I will assure you that my primary fights is against the evil regime in our nation. If you are comfortable with what Hayat is doing, in which she hasn’t the spirit of a fighter and who act as an obstructionist, it is well and good with me. But don’t complain on us when we challenged her.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas, there is one my favorite word in Tigrigna that describes you; FEZAZ.

      • blink

        Dear Horizon
        Yes the history of Ghedli is not in danger from her or any one but the future of our democratic aspiration is being dragged by people like her. She is not a justice seeker nor does she care about it. But your plea for clemency is not fair. she has been in this forum for ages , many good hearted people and good debaters even left her alone to swim because they could not find any substance.

        I am not being unfair to any one , what I am saying is ,if she wanted to help Eritreans of the 1970 she must be dead by now and if many olshe wanted to help Eritreans now , she has no time to go back to Ghedli time because it will not help .
        I have summer

        • Selam blink,

          In a democratic eritrea of the future you and other justice seekers are visualizing, what will be the place of dissenters of gedli, or any other person for that matter who has a different opinion on issues which the future government thinks are not to be doubted whatsoever?

          How would the future democratic government of eritrea see liberty, justice and equality, when you demonize people for their opinion by demanding unity of opinion, even today when you are so far away from power? Don’t you think that equating gedli with eritrean nationalism, could be a recipe to replace one dictatorship with another, for the present dictatorship has also its roots deep in gedli and says that it should not be questioned in any way imaginable?

          It is really hard to fathom, when you insinuate that for an eritrean, the choice is death fighting in gedli or accept gedli without criticism. If this is indeed the only way towards future democratic eritrea, it is difficult to imagine, if eritrea could be as free and democratic as people say she would be. Sorry to say that I see intolerance and excessive attachment to gedli, which shows excessive nationalism that will continue to make people secondary in the eritrean equation.

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Horizon,

            There will only be one place. Halewa Sewra.

            But yes, lets hear it from blink.

            Zarayaqob.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon’

            Let me try to help Blink, until he comes with his own answer. Let me start with my advice to you: Wouldn’t it better and wise for you to talk how to handle your dissenters than talking about the dissenters of other countries? In any case, In our case dissenters of past history (in this case ghedli) will be given all the chances to write history all the bad and good, not only to satisfy their urge, but also as part of our history to educate our young generations. That is how to to dissent on past history. The most important is, rather it is how the new government will give to citizens the freedom to express their views on the present discourse of their nation. In other words to give citizens to dissent on the political discourse of their nation.

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            I will heed your advice; never to expect a different fruit from the same tree, for example an orange from an apple tree, because it can only produce apples.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            Good one!!

  • Hayat Adem

    Greetings again, friends:
    A man saw a notoriously trigger happy gunman from a distance while he was walking to home bound from a nearby town. Feared for his life, he ran to hide to a cemetary. The gun was simply minding himself but up on seeingvthe man running away, he was in suspicion and followed the man. He found him hiding in one of the graves and asked him why he was ran and hid.
    “Why did you run after you saw me from afar?”
    “Sir, the reason why I ran away was because of you; and the reason you came here following me was because of me.”
    The reason we say things about ghedli is because those of you ghedli defenders say things about ghedli.
    SemereT asks two broad questions but I will disaggregate them as follows: were there valid political and right issues that agitated people to contemplate ghedli as the best way to respond to? Was the kind of ghedli we had had the right package? If no, was ghdli wrong then? If yes, what was the alternative: embracing the king?
    The answers to these question tags are respectively: yes, no, yes, and no. Answering these broad points will take us to the obvious and boring details. It is not as if ghedli always the pancea of socio-political hurdles nor launching ghedli gives the guarantee to overcome there. There are no merits for trying, nor are for investing dearly in the process. I will define ghedli just for this discussion purpose as a protracted armed struggle and related support activities for freedom.
    It sounds so foolish to explain all this. A medical procedure can and must only be validated as much as it has helped the patience. If the procedure leaves the patient worse and paralyzed after enduring so much pain in the process, you don’t invoke his pre-existing bad health conditions as your best reasoning. You don’t also justfy the next best options as next phase follow up solutions unless the two phases are complementary for an incremental gain; and the 2nd phase becomes easier to get you closer to your grand goal (better and best life) as a result of the first phase (ghedli = protracted armed struggle). Even if that was the case, you will have to question yourself if ghedli was the most optimal option of all other possibilities.
    Eritreans didn’t use ghedli to remove Alula, Italy, British A or to settle for federal solution. Now that, Eritreans undertook ghedli, we are not better off than we were pre-ghedli, by any honest standard. The worst character of ghedli is that it is not self corrective to the extent of neutralizing itself if need be. Once it gets its own life, self preserving becomes its 1st nature as if it is a living organism and not an agreed social system. It is only others that are outside it that can try to shape it or remove it.
    The best way to explain this complication is the fact that one has to even make a conscious decision to live with the consequences of ghedli than removing it in the same way. The kind of Ghedli we have had is that bad that you wouldn’t even need ghedli 2.0 to remove ghedli 1.0 That is the only reason that i prefer to move on forward and only think of making the best of what is possible without undoing the products of ghedli. So, SemereT, we have something in common there. You cherish independent Eritrea as a matter of ghedli driven aspiration. I accept independent Eritrea a matter of fate accompli. But i shouldn’t be expected to promote and cherish those ghedli products. I will learn to live with them and while doing that, I’ll look for other positive gains under the circumstances. For example, i don’t need to write off ghedli nor launch another one to live in peace and cooperation with Ethiopia. Another example, while I involuntarily accepted what it consumed in the past, as a matter of an accomplished fact, I don’t have to extend the life of ghedli to the extent of letting it consume our youth and our future.
    Next I will be addressing SemereT’s inquiries regarding the issues that have to do with the crimes of ghedli.

    • Sahay Erican

      Dearest Queen,

      Here are some of the barbaric crimes of gedli that were committed against the defenseless highland Eritreans that the barbaric gedli romantics often try to conceal or trivialize:

      1. The era of the 1960s was the era of the lawless ELF. The ELF was then divided into warlords (ዘመነ ክፍህታት) where the warlords were assigned to liberate their respective provinces. Since the highlanders had no warlord to represent for their provinces until tje later stages, many of those who joined the the various warlords were seen with suspicion and many had lost their lives. The lucky ones escaped safely; others like Memhr Solomon Zeweldi were not luck. Memhr Solomon was one of the early educated highland Eritreans. He was arrested and injected with poison in Iraq on his way from Syria. His brain was permanently damage and he was damped in Khartoum, Sudan.

      2. One of the worst warlords of the 1960s was Abdel-Kerim who terrorized the people of Seraye unabated. He burned countless villages in Qohayn, killed so many innocent prepple and robbed thousands of cattle. The people of Qohayn went all the way to Addis Ababa to beg the king for weapons. They were offered guns to defend themselves.

      3. The people of Dembelas encountered the same fate. Their proximity to the western lowland (Barka) exposed them to the worst bandits such as Dinay and other barbarians. The people of Dembelas also did the samething what the people of Qohayn did and were offered guns to defend themselves and their properties.

      4. The number of innocent Eritreans killed by the notorious criminals (fedayn) in the cities and villages are too many to count. Our Unionist fathers and grandfathers were either killed or forced to leave the land and the people that they loved and defended. They were hunted down mercilessly because of the choices they had made for themselves and future generations.

      5. In the seventies, the victims of the notorious warlords became victims of the united warlords (ELF) again. The people of Qohayn and Dembelas had lost everything. The ragtag bandits of the 1960s came with superior weapons and rithless vengeance to exterminate the people the people they hated with passion. This time they were joined by the worthless highland useful idiots. After winning the battle, they took the entire cattle of Qohayn in 1976/1977 and the cattle of Dembelas in 1978. The number of people killed and tortured were in the hundreds.

      6. The real extermination of highland Eritrea was initiated by the archaic ELF in 1978. It was the unwritten mission and goal of the Baathists and fanatical islamists. In the beginning, people were simply rouned up in the market places such as Areza and Maiduma, and later this inhuman ግፋ was extended to other areas of the highland provinces. By the time this barbaric organization was pulled out of its roots and thrown into the Sudan to rot, it had reduced the youth of the peasants’ land of highland Eritrea to about a third of what it was in 1977.

      7. How about the inhuman torturing prisons? The ELF had these mobile prisons in the highland where innocent people were arrested and tortured during the dark nights. One of these torturing prisions were a house next to our house. The crying and groaning of people during the night time tortures are still fresh in my mind.

      8. The barbarity of the EPLF is so horrific that it will take me a whole day to narrate it. If the archaic ELF was comparable to Stalin, the EPLF was as ritjless as Hitler.

      • blink

        Dear Sahay
        First and foremost Unionists are not Eritreans and if you are sad about their death by ELF fedayn in Asmara or other places, let me tell you man of the 1976 camp . Abraham Tecle and his colleagues are our heroes and these people you feel sad are just hailesilassie cronies.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Sahay,

        you wrote:

        “6. The real extermination of highland Eritrea was initiated by the archaic ELF in 1978. It was the unwritten mission and goal of the Baathists and fanatical islamists. In the beginning, people were simply rounded up in the market places such as Areza and Maiduma, and later this inhuman ግፋ was extended to other areas of the highland provinces. By the time this barbaric organization was pulled out of its roots and thrown into the Sudan to rot, it had reduced the youth of the peasants’ land of highland Eritrea to about a third of what it was in 1977.”.

        አንታ ንዓይ ድማ ፈሪሓ እግዚአብሀር የብልካን እሊካ ትኸሰኒ፡፡

        አሕዋትን አዝማድን አለዊና እኮ፡ ብህይወቶም ዘለዉ፡፡ ጀብሃ ብ 1978 ንኽርስቲያን ትገፍፍ ነራ፡፡ አይ ክንደይ መንእሰይ በዚሖማስ፡ ገና ኩንታል በሊዕኩም ምጹ እንዳበለተ ዶ አይኮነንትን ትማልስ ነራ፡፡

        Berhe

        • Sahay Erican

          Dear Berhe,

          ኣብ ክንዳኻ እኮ ክንሓዝን ከፊእና.

          Here is what you should: ask Semere Tesfai for clarification. Then apologize for your sheer ignorance about gedli.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Sahay,

            Why don’t you stop your condescending comments and focus on substance. Is it because you have nothing to show or argue about.

            People like you (including abat nebsika qeshi dimepetros) are liability to Ethiopia, the Christian Ortodox that you claim to defend.

            Because of them Ethiopia have lost access to the see, Eritrean Christians are dying in the Mediterranean and the Sahara deserts.

            I do not mention the Eritrean Muslims because you wouldn’t care.

            Berhe

    • Desbele

      Selam Queen
      This is the best “A medical procedure can and must only be validated as much as it has helped the patience. If the procedure leaves the patient worse and paralyzed after enduring so much pain in the process, you don’t invoke his pre-existing bad health conditions as your best reasoning.”
      I cant wait to read the second issue.

    • Yohannes Zerai

      Dear Hayat Adem,

      The cost of the mayhem, destruction and death that accompanied (and followed) the revolutions in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt or Yemen a few years ago is simply incalculable. Not only were the material and human losses that befell these countries and their peoples nothing short of staggering in scale, the upheavals have also left long-term instability and political, economic and social retrogression in their wake – at least in Libya and Yemen.

      So in light of these facts, are we to brand “barbaric” the role of the revolutionaries/activists who led the protests of their downtrodden peoples against injustice because they did not do an advance “cost/benefit analysis” of their spontaneous protests? Or because they failed to assess (a priori) what the resulting cost would be to society when all is said and done? Are we to condemn the people because they supported the revolution yearning to win back their dignity and democratic rights? Are we to denounce the Egyptian revolution, for example, as “barbaric” and defend the brutally savage response of the Mubarak regime by arguing with a straight face that “the people brought it upon themselves; nothing would have happened to them had they chosen to embrace subjugation as their fate”? – Can we pass such judgments in good conscience and, at the end of it all, sleep well at night?

      Thank you.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Yohannes,

        I can assure you she will deflect your question that goes to the heart of the issue at hand. In addition to your question I might add, if she is good at cost-benefit analysis for any project before it is set and done, why wouldn’t help us on cost-benefit analysis of the current struggle before hand than of becoming hindsight judge?

        Regard

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Dear Amanuel,

          The verbal (or should I say written) onslaught that we have witnessed coming from some quarters of the Awate forum for quite a while – but particularly over the last few days – is obviously NOT directed at the repugnant tyrannical order that is inflicting so much pain and suffering on the Eritrean people and is striving in earnest to destroy the country. Far from sympathizing with the suffering population and wishing to see the restoration of the rule of law and democratic rights in the country, deep down in their hearts these quarters are dying to see that the present state of affairs continues to exist indefinitely!

          You see, an “intermediate” goal of the campaign being waged by these elements is to destroy the history and pride of the Eritrean people, to break their unity, potent nationalism, indomitable spirit, perseverance and personal sacrifice – social attributes that were tested time and again with unimaginable adversity over a period of half a century, but came out unscathed. By striving to achieve what is actually unachievable, these elements dream of actualizing their “ultimate” goal of turning back the clock and forcing the Eritrean people to (as I said in my previous post) “embrace subjugation as their fate” under a resurrected imperialist Ethiopia!

          They conveniently or foolishly forget that far mightier and more influential powers had successively championed the same imperialist agenda over the last century; but all were forced to leave the scene wrapped in their embarrassing defeats and licking their wounds. Our friends at Awate and their compatriots elsewhere seem to believe they can do it easily! Well, as forum colleagues, the least we can do is wish them ‘bon voyage’ on their futile journey to the land of nostalgia, wishful thoughts and unmitigated dreams.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Yohannes,
        Well, barbaric is not my word but allow me to slightly disagree with you on the notion that it was a choice between ghedli and subjugation.

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Dear Hayat Adem,

          With all due respect, let me remind you that we must all be modest enough to agree that the decision as to what choices were available to the Eritrean people in the 1950s to the 1980s should be left to the Eritrean people themselves; Not to self-appointed spokespeople or apparent sympathizers – genuine or otherwise. We should be magnanimous and liberal enough to, at least, let them define their problems and circumstances then as well as now.

          If it is worth it at all, let me also remind you that the questions in my earlier comment continue to be deserving of answers.
          Thank you.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Yohannes,
            Okay, lets not use the heavy word barbaric for this discussion.
            All those countries you mentioned are tragic failures or quasi failures. Eritrea need not model herself after failing systems and when failed, need not take comfort from the notion of “there are others too”. You don’t launch ghedli to be one of them.
            We have other positve examples who didn’t go through costly ghedli and yet came out much better off with their incremental changes. Many countries in Southeast Asia with their fast development, many countries in East Europe with their democratization etc.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            Thank you for the rejoinder and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

            My comment simply invited you to consider the revolutions that the listed countries carried out in response to their respective circumstances and to take note of the generally similar nature of those historical events. It made no mention of Eritrea or its revolution. No reference was made to the successes or failures of those events; nor were questions raised that could have necessitated comparisons of those revolutions with each other or with that of Eritrea. My comment was aimed solely at drawing your attention to the more fundamental questions of why the revolutions broke out, who carried them out and how. But you evaded answering the questions raised and, instead, tried to shift focus by bringing in a new set of issues.

            When oppressed peoples are driven to the edge, they rise up (with or without arms) almost instinctively and fight with whatever they have both to: (i) bring about democratic change while (ii) defending themselves from the ruthless retaliation of the enemy. They thus would have neither the luxury of “conducting cost/benefit analyses” of their revolt nor the pretensions of philosophizing about ”its chances for success or failure”. Once they rise up, all they could do is forge ahead with their struggle determined to achieve victory for their cause.

            Thank you.

          • Hayat Adem

            Fair enough Yohannes,
            But why fo you think some countries succeed and others don’t in their such responsive struggles? It has to do with their abilities analysing the possibilities and optimalities of the packages they pick to respond to their respective situations, right. Those who didn’t do it right shouldn’t shy away from discussing their weaknesses. Hindsight is a resource. Only weak people hesitate to use it an advantage and increase the likelihood of repeating it in the future. For example, you are aware that we have people here, particularly of the elite, in Eritrea who call for another round of protracted armed struggle to remove PFDJ. I say this is insanity beyond language. History should help us spare ourselves from another foolishness.
            I got you and I am not shifting the topic in a sense of avoiding the first one, but in a sense of stepping it up to make the discussion more functional and relevant rather than philosophical or hypothetical.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Dear Hayat Adem,

            Once again, thank you for engaging.

            If segregated into parts, the essence of your response could be reformulated as three distinct issues. I will try to address each of those issues without reproducing the statements which conveyed them.

            a) I grant you that there are mass actions (revolutions, armed struggles, popular uprisings, etc.) in history which failed on account of flaws or even blunders ingrained in one or more aspects of the “packages” that these struggles chose to advance their cause – aspects such as reason(s) or justification(s) for initiating the struggle, principles and philosophy that guided it, planning and programming of its activities, organization and structure of the implementing apparatus, execution of the programs, policy towards other forces (friends as well as foes), etc.

            But there are also one-hundred-and-one other factors – most of them beyond the control of those who lead a given revolution or participate in it – that could decidedly determine the outcome of the struggle. Human history is generous with examples of honorable and just causes that were handled in the best ways humanly possible, and yet were disastrously derailed by one or more of these extraneous and uncontrollable factors. So, as rational individuals, we must resist the temptation of rendering quick judgement on a very complex social phenomenon based on a partial, simplistic and idealistic theoretical model of what a just struggle ought to look like!

            b) It is certainly beneficial, perhaps even imperative, to have a “completed work” of importance be critically but fairly appraised so that its good aspects are recognized and honored and its negative aspects are criticized or condemned. This is all the more essential when the “work” in question entailed life-and-death issues and involved entire populations, nations and societies. But the thrust of, and the basis for, such retrospective evaluation ought to be an honest desire to learn lessons for the future; not to desecrate, demean and tarnish a struggle to which hundreds of thousands of truly innocent people dedicated their endless toil and even their blood! Defiling and debasing a national liberation struggle ad infinitum a quarter-century after it had concluded is undoubtedly bizarre. Doing so with utter lack of concern for the population’s existing predicament and to the exclusion of any attempts at rectification of the country’s current problems (problems that may or may not be traceable to the struggle) would smack of having been motivated by deep-seated hatred of the population, or by a craving for perpetuation of the present human misery — all as part of some wicked political agenda.

            c) Those who may advocate another armed struggle as the only or best way of removing the tyrannical PFDJ regime from power are entitled to their opinion just like you and I are to our respective opinions. But let’s not forget that they represent themselves and no one else in that opinion. The Eritrean people are far more mindful than one might think that armed struggle is not a weekend dance-party that can be organized every so often at the whim of individuals and interest groups. Those of us eager to avert any possible human tragedy need not despair and all we have to do is place our faith and trust on the Eritrean people who have a vivid memory of their similar experience of the recent past, and will therefore not allow any social madness to be promoted in their name!

            Finally, let me close with a remark on the exchange itself. You stated that the manner in which you responded to my earlier comments was intended to expand and enrich the debate. I have chosen to accept your explanation as being sincere, and I thank you for letting such an intent guide your side of the exchange. But I must insist that providing direct answers to the four questions I had posed in my comment would be in line with, not contrary to, the goal you said you wanted to achieve.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Yohannes,

            Excellent comment. And certainly yes that “Defiling and debasing a national liberation struggle ad infinitum a quarter-century after it had concluded is undoubtedly bizarre.” And worse when it comes from an Eritrean.

            Regard

    • Ismail AA

      Dearest Hayat,

      Forgive me for jumping in to the comment-response exchanges. I am coming in due to one point that shook my curiosity: “I accept independent Eritrea a matter of fate accompli”. I thought this is a bit surprising statement amid a heated up debate. Such an assertion could be expected from a person that had done everything available to preclude something happening but tyranny of fate had its day to imposed an outcome. People who opposed Eritrea’s armed struggle had opportunity to drop their “no” ballot during the referendum. From that event onwards, thus, wouldn’t you think the will of the majority had accepted rather than holding “fate accompli” as culprit?

      • Hayat Adem

        Dearest Ismail The Great,
        A bit background: I couldn’t have have done anything against the physical going of ghedli. In fact, i was a supporter at least emotionally. my family were involved in support, some in a significant way. So ghedli is done deal and i took it as something finality and move on to improving the life of people.
        Only of late, i started seeing ghedli differently. First, i started questioning the politics of sacrifice. Then, i started questioning the outcomes. Now, i started questioning even the very intentions. But i hate ghedli so mych i would never support ghedli repeat to even correct the excesses of the girst ghedli. I better prefer to learn to live with it.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Hayat,

          No, dear. In my humble view you are stronger than one who gives in to moving to the domain of “I … prefer to learn to live with” something attitude. We all understand we take part in debates in order to mutually benefit from ideas we get and offer. That is, what we are doing in this forum, and not to get ourselves weak and withdraw. Debating within the required norms of decency and focus on issues we agree on or disagree on widens our perspectives and horizons.

          I am sure when debaters in this forum sober down after heated up exchanges on particular issues; they realize they have nothing cynical or negative about their issue-centered opponents. The human decency side overcomes the emotion and passion side. They like and love one another. I am sure this apply to you as it does to our Aman, Mahmoud, blink and many of others save a few who come with entrenched biases from the day they stepped the threshold of their homes to the outside world and take hating the Eritrean people’s struggle as is a kind of faith and legacy.

          Now, the credo that should guide our debates regarding the Eritrean liberation movement in my view is that as our people’s experience is annals of setbacks and shining attainments. It is not a closed and sacred holy book that is only available for reading only; it is also a people’s book of historical process that is subject to appraisal and criticism in the way it benefits generations and posterity. What is decent and required is drawing lines across reckless onslaught for vindictive reasons and criticizing to sort out the follies from the virtues with the goal of avoiding the repeat of the former and building on the later. Recklessness for the purpose of prevailing over an opponent in a debate pushes one towards factually unwarranted generalizations that may cause uncalled for irritations.

          Now, as you wrote you had a share in the Eritrean people’s struggle personally and participation of your decent family members. What we have as Eritreans with all it contains -negatives and positives – belong to all of us. It is our nation’s experience and history for which heavy cost was paid, which we cannot undo; just like decent peoples elsewhere do. We respect and honor the actors in it without glossing over their mistakes if there had been any. The sacrifices that were paid cannot really look at from philosophical hindsight in the framework of politics of sacrifice, as you put. Those sacrifices were paid in the framework of collective purpose and national awareness, and were not imposed.

          Thus, it is our collective duty to honor the good parts of our past and learn from the snags and mishaps so that posterity would not repeat. For instance, I agree with you about unwillingness to repeat the process that brought us independent nationhood in order to correct excess that we may believe had been committed or those being committed by the current regime. What we need to do is move on together as united national front on the path of correcting the current unhealthy conditions. That will happen when Hayat, brink, Mahmoud, Aman, Thomas, Tzigereda, the old Ismail and many, many of us on the same page and move on whatever our view on certain issues might be. So, be strong and active as usual. We enjoy your presence in the forum; when we do not see you for couple of days we feel missing you. Just ask Mahmoud and Aman. Thus, stay on the side of justice seekers and never lose hope in the future and our youth. They shall prevail.

          Thank agai

          • Hayat Adem

            The Great Ismail,
            You filled me with warmth where I felt my current place a bit cold. You are the very hope that make me think all is not lost.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    I was offline for a couple of days. I might have missed some of the feeds as the pace of the interaction picked up a bit and there were too many to go walk through. But I have captured enough to join the discussion. Saay is bored with my comments on ghedli and I don’t blame him. I am, too. I only wish he stops rethinking my birth certificate. I noticed that SemereT., has asked me directed questions and I felt it is proper to try to address them, if not to satisfy him with adequate explanations on all the points he raised, just to share my views around them out of respect for the way his questions are framed. I need some hours to do that.

  • Selam All,

    ‘confrontation or cooperation’, that is the question ethiopians and eritreans have to answer. The way of confrontation has brought both nations to where they are today, and for sure, it will take them to a worse and not a better situation in the future. They cannot live together, and they cannot live far from each other, the drama of the habesha people is a unique world phenomenon. They are like a couple in love-hate relationship, and one can only say, God save them from such a destructive relationship, for it is destructive.

    I hope that government officials from both sides do not read what we, the cyber warriors write, for they will become worse than they already are. I do not know how much both governments are influenced by their supporters in the diaspora. If at all, I believe that it is not a positive influence, unless their opinion is the opinion of the incumbent governments, and therefore they cannot influence anybody.

    When we talk of people-to-people relations, do ethiopians and eritreans in the diaspora go to each other’s churches, weddings, restaurants, gatherings, etc? These (the university-educated elites) are most of the time the spoilers of the ethio-eritrean relations, and not the ordinary ethiopian and eritrean in the streets, coffee shops and educational institutions in ethiopia.

    I think that we all have a good picture of the ethio-eritrean reality, which is that of everlasting animosity and mutual destruction, which i call the curse of the habesha people. The culprits are the governments, their supporters and the educated elites, and not the ordinary ethiopian and eritrean, who are unfortunately the victims.

    • Mez

      Dear Horizon,

      What would you understand under ” university-educated elites”.

      May look simple …

      • Selam Mez,
        If we leave out uneducated african dictators, who come to power with the power of the gun, most political, economic and social problems we see around the world are the works of selfish, highly educated elites. The last economic crisis, corruption and crimes all over the world are attributed to greedy elites.

        In the same way, in our case, why their are no agreements and solutions for so many years, and why there are so many opposition parties and opposing opinions for one single problem (dictatorship), is due to educated elites that have divergent interests, be it power, money or fame.

        What is the use of vowing in the name of the masses, when they do not agree on a single topic that affects the life of the people? That is how elites play their games. These are the people one may call highly educated spoilers. It is actions​ and not words that count in everything.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          What makes one to be an elite? Is the scale of education that one makes him/her to be an elite? And finally, what makes you out of the elite class?

          Regards

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Which ever class of elites one belongs to (political, economic or social), the level of education is an important factor.

            Let me answer the last question. When I speak of elites, I include myself first and foremost. Not much, but I have a certain degree of education, and may be in a better position to know certain things compared to the ordinary folks back home, not because of my connections, but because I tried to educate myself.

            Elites may differ in the position they hold, and the level to which they can influence things and for what purpose, nevertheless, they are the torchbearers of good and bad in the society. Unfortunately the second is true in our case. One can disagree.

            For example, I have a big problem with highly educated university professors, who do not differentiate between tplf and ethiopia and call any sort of development in ethiopia an anathema, or when a university professor becomes bedfellow with the worst enemy of ethiopia, or when some elites sitting in the diaspora invite young people for the destruction of infrastructures, and when governing elites back home react with brute force.
            Regards.

  • blink

    Dear All
    While my great great Eritreans have always said it , here my understanding of the bashers.
    At the end of second WW,
    Once the British indicated that their presence in Eritrea had a short time hor- izon, Eritrean politics assumed an increasingly competitive tone. Through the Eritrean Coptic Church, with its powerful network of 711 churches, Ethiopia began supporting Eritrean Christians in the MFHE.This relationship was based on a mutually rewarding exchange of support for selective incentives: the Church would utilize its impressive network of churches to support the pro-Ethiopian and pro-unification Eritrean political entrepreneurs, while the imperial regime would restore the Church’s lands to it upon unification.Suddenly every village church was decorated with the Ethiopian flag, every religious festival and holiday was an opportunity for the diffusion of Ethio- pian nationalism, and every sermon was a chance for the presentation of the Ethiopian unification goals.In addition, Addis Ababa created the Society for the Unification of Ethiopia and Eritrea, which would later form the organizational basis for the establishment of the Unionist Party. Here I would like to put people like Hayat YG and sahay of our modern seeds from old once. These people are insecure as their fathers were. In the 1950-60 there were people in Eritrea like the current one, their story goes like this,,support for unification was consistently and publicly proclaimed by the Ethiopian state.Supported by the Asmara Advisory Council, a creation of the British administration, these incipient political entrepreneurs actively sought to mobilize Eritreans for union with Ethiopia.Their initial members were the underemployed public sector Eritrean Christian employees in urban areas; the rural, highlands-based Eritrean Christians elites who had lost their Italian-era sinecures; and the highlands peasants who had been adversely affected by British and Italian land ownership policies.
    In contrast to these Ethiopia-backed Eritrean political entrepreneurs, Eritrean political entrepreneurs who pushed aggressively for independence began a countermobilization. Led by Woldeab Woldemariam, editor of the popular Eritrean Weekly News, this faction of the Eritrean political mobili- zation movement attempted to counterbalance the Ethiopian influence by allying itself with the traditional lowlands Muslim elites in the Akele Guzai region.The British supported the Akele Guzai elites and increased the resources allocated to them.Here the British support was to divide Eritrea, I don’t see it in any other way.This intersectarian, elite-level coalition enabled the urban-based, anti-unification Eritrean political entrepreneurs to build ties to the rural-based opposition. These two mobilization drives not only increased the anticolonial overtones of the larger Eritrean political mobilization drive but also established a greater potential for intra-Eritrean political competition.
    In a memorandum sent by the Ethiopian state to the London Conference of Foreign Ministers, the state argued that ‘‘Ethiopians and Eritreans are incontestably one and the same people . . .. The history of Eritrea has been one with that of Ethiopia . . .. bla bla … no Ine knows oromo at that time.The race ( only the christians are called Eritreans) the same, the language, except for dialectical differences, is the same. The culture and the habits are identical . . .. It is firmly claimed that with the forfeiture of Italian rule, Eritrea and Somaliland should revert to their mother country. To provide for such a return would be merely to recog- nize the realities of the existing historical and other ties which bind them integrally to Ethio- pia. This was Pure lie by Ethiopian leaders. We call it white lie ( tsaeda hasot)

    By December 1946, the Muslim League (ML) had been established. Founded by Ibrahim Sultan, who had led the campaign to eradicate serfdom among the Muslim tribes between 1942 and 1944, the ML was strongly positioned for a political campaign that aimed at full inde- pendence, here the people like sahay do not bother to think ML was Eritreans political party ,they only would love to narrate the, Bairu founded the Unionist Party (UP). Strongly supported by the Coptic Church and financed by the Ethiopian state, the UP quickly established party branches in every major town and built a very effective party machinery.By February 1947, the Liberal Progressive Party (LPP), led by Tessema Asberom and Woldemariam, was formed, followed in March 1947 by the LPP-Serai branch, which was led by Sebhatu Yohannes.By September 1947, the New Eritrea Pro-Italian Party (NERIP), led by Omar Mohammed Baduri, had been formed. Once again, religion did not act as a monolithic ascriptive identity. Both the LPP and the NERIP were Christian-led parties that sought independence rather than union because of their oppo- sition to the economic policies of the Ethiopian state. LPP supporters, as urban Christians in the professional sectors, preferred independence in order to safeguard their interests against Ethiopian competition.

    This was long time ago Hayat and co hate to read.

    • G. Gebru

      Dear Blink
      Selamat.
      The whole story was in the first place to weaken the Orthodox Tewahdo Church and to some extent Islam, I say to some extent because there was no as such to be exagerated social problem in Eritrea religion wise. It was Arabism, Protestantism, submition to Italian and British colonizers devisive propaganda etc. That created all the confusion between our society. Yes there is one undenaible fact and that is the way the Ethiopian governement of that day handled the issue was hasty that gave the playing ground for fomating and escalating the matter that lead to where we are today. That made moderate Eritreans change their moderate idea of wait and see to take negative siding.
      As for the stand of YG and Hayat (ዋዕሮ) and others you are trying to bellitle is simplly failure..
      Yes history has its makeres but at the same time it is a proccess that goes with the passage of time rises and falls to the extent of extinction, but it always remains to be the basis of ones history.
      And so is the history of Ethiopia that fades and shines but never die. And this is not with out reason, but let me leave it for another approprate time.
      God bless us all,
      Thanks.

      • blink

        Dear G.Gebru
        May be we are talking about different Eritrea. The one I know doesn’t resemble to your understanding.

        • G. Gebru

          Dear blink,
          Selamat.
          No my brother we are talking about the same Eritrea, but each of us is taking a different route to make it a historically, socially viable country with a strong religious faith be it Islam or Tewahdo Orthodox Christianity. To create a generation that is loyall to its linguistic and cultural and social heritage.
          Eritrea free of all imllaatt be it western or eastern.
          Thank you and God bless you.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam GG,

        Can you please explain what you mean by this statement of yours: “It was Arabism, Protestantism, submition to Italian and British colonizers devisive propaganda etc. That created all the confusion between our society.” I do not want to misunderstand you. Could you please?

        Regards

        • G. Gebru

          Dear Amman,
          Selamat.
          “I do not want to miss understand you”.
          First of all let me thank you thousand thanks for your brotherly humble expression.
          Secondly, if you remember some time in the past, I do not remember the article, you I asked me if I was the same person some one you know I think a university teacher or professor. My answer to your question at that time was that I am not that person and add told you that I am the student of the school of guidance.
          You know Aman we all have our favorite books to read and quote from and our favorite teachers that we have to follow their teachings and guidance.
          So the thing is as I said it in my last paragraph in the previous comment.
          Thank you Amman and God bless us all.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam GG,

            Our respect is mutual. Yes brother, I remember to ask you if you are the professor whom I know, and the response you gave me. However, I still feel you did not answer my question. If the last paragraph of your previous comment (a response to blink) explains to your statement I quoted you and demanding for clarification, I wouldn’t asked for clarification. I still humbly request you a clarification to: ” “It was Arabism, Protestantism, submition (submission) to Italian and British colonizers devisive (divisive) propaganda etc. That created all the confusion between our society.”

            regards

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Aman,
            Selamat.
            God willing I hope to keep my words and say why I said it.
            Aman if we take the Eritean cause all in all it took if we start from 1940 it took 21 years of political skrimsh and 30 years of armed struggle and 26 years of dictatorial rule still the people of Eritrea are waiting petiently to see their dream of peaceful democratic Eritrea. And you are part of the waiting folks and I wish you good luck to see your petience bear fruit.
            But remain assured that I will give the reason why I said what I said. I just want to give you enough time to settle matters with ሐያት ዋዕሮ። ሕውነታዊ ዋዛ።
            Thanks.

    • Haile Zeru

      Hi blink,
      This post and the previous one about the eritrean villages burned by the Ethiopian army, combined and fixed a little bit belong in the awate.com front page.
      These imperial Ethiopia romantics need a reminder.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Awate folks,
    The elephante in the room: whether we like it or not Ethiopia lies to the south of us; with long lying border and all. Add to that the people look alike and speak alike. Ethiopia did host and educate many of us. In the past, present and I am sure it will continue in the future. It hosts our refugees and continues to accept many.* I am no politician and have neither the taste nor the desire for it. But many do observe these sad happenings and put a big question mark about Eritrea. That question mark may have answers of different strains but all are academic as of now, until we put our house in order. Many moons ago I did ask similar question: has Eritrea ever reciprocated it to Ethiopians?

    The different strains of Ethio-phils: these group (as well as the mainy strains of Aga’Azian movements) may have reasons to detest not just ghedli but also the actors in it, as well as its outcome. I have no problem with these groups as they are here to demand their right. We waged war with then leadership of Ethiopia because they would not listen to the Eritrean political question. I am afraid that they are raising a political question as well; whether we like it or not. Right now they may be defaming ghedli but soon it will be a political question. My hope is that by then we have matured enought to provide solution.

    Eritreans: We need to mature in our politcal discourse. Telling them to go to whence they originated from will only inflame things further. Neither creating a parallel Adulisian theory nor a yearning for Adulisian to sound like Andalucian will solve our problem. We need to study how other countries were able to solve these kind of movements while keeping their country intact. Belique, Switze, Chech, Slovak, Quebec, Trinidad & Tobago, (& many others) are prime examples that were effectively able to put an ethnic/nationalist question in the back burners of their political discourse.

    * I had sponsored many kebessa kids (now grown-ups) back to Ethiopia. I had done it after hearing many heart breaking stories of those returnees. They were once from a well to do families now relegated to accepting donations from me. Put yourselves in these situations and tell me how to go about it! if need be I will recount you many stories of theirs…. Hence I kept my views to myself and sprinkled what could be termed as a liberal view. God only knows that my views are skewed to no end.

    • MS

      Dear Disc Donc
      1. Your points are valid and really constructive. I like the tone and the substance. However, it has been my understanding that there is no problem between the peoples of both countries, and this is something I have been saying all along. We tend to be highly alarmed by few vocal groups. In Ethiopia, you have the elite class which is operating on past manuals, that of Abyssinian mystical grandiosity. No one talks about the checkered past of Abyssinian feudal lords and the carnage they had inflicted upon the peoples of this region, the rivalry between them expressed in treasonous alliance with foreign powers in order to subdue their opponent lords; the expeditions they carried out to the South, west and North, all the way to Eritrea, etc. Just look at Hayat and how she wants us to believe Ethiopian how good and peaceful Ethiopian lords were to Eritrea. While she feels the freedom to romanticize the barbarians who ravaged innocent people, she accuses us of defending her generalized condemnation of our struggle!! I mean it’s mind boggling. I have no problem with any sect that wants to express its non orthodoxy political view, up to demanding for separation or unity with other countries including Ethiopia. I’m just saying: a/ don’t lie and make up fabricated stories while the actors are still alive; b/ don’t pit peoples against each other (in the case of Agazians). Therefore, when they tell us Alula, HS, or derg were good to us, we will come up with data and stories to back up our claim that they were not good. When they tell us Eritreans did not have a cause to revolt, we will come up with data and real stories as to why ghedli was a direct result of Ethiopian regime’s barbaric action, and so on. They are the ones who are calling the shots. We are merely reacting and responding. The ball is in their court.
      2. It is my believe that there has not been an animosity between the two peoples, but they have not developed strong democratic and civic institutions that could restrain the elite. That’s why we are living in this vicious cycle of war and the tales of war. Therefore, no walls are needed. All is needed is the empowerment of the new generation. The paradigm should shift from one built on survival instinct and protectionist to one that roots on peace and development. However, that should not be done at the expense of the submission of Eritrea. It is a two way effort. Any peace loving Ethiopian should not be bothered by atrocities committed by past Ethiopian regimes. Ironically, this is not only an Eritrean problem. The Oromos and other oppressed peoples in ethiopia have their stories to tell too.
      3. Pertinent to number 2, and something that we terribly miss is the fact that what you see of participants in this forum are not policy-makers or even opinion-makers. We don’t represent the bulk body of each of the two peoples.
      4. When you say Eritreans and Ethiopians are similar people, you should also mention the fact that this is also true with sudan and Djibouti. We have historical and cultural relations with all neighbors, a fact that is true in most countries of the world. Ethiopia’s proximity and size is good only as long as its benefits are shared with its neighbors on “good neighborly” terms, not under coercion and threats. Ethiopians should worry about their stability before lecturing Eritreans.
      5. It is too bad that many Ethiopians boast hosting Eritreans while saying Eritreans “are Ethiopians”. Ethiopians continue benefiting from the good heart of countries. Poor Sudan was the major hosting country of ERitreans and Ethiopians but it never boasted as such. God forbid, if Ethiopians needed the help of Eritreans, under my leadership (ha….ha…), they will be welcome. They will never be reminded they are living in foreign country.
      Wodehanka

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Mahmoud,
        In the interest of saving time I’ll go straight to points that you raised.
        1. I’ve no doubts about the non-existence of people to people animosity. While tears aren’t enough to express the sufferings of many, under the previous Ethiopian leaderships, I believe that is what they want you to focus on, instead of substantive arguments as to the legal origins of the conflicts. As someone said below, these are pretty serious accusations that require legal and binding conclusions. That is if we were modern societies. Even then again these were things that should have been addressed during our divorce. After saying all these, I would refrain from using incendiary languages because that will only breed hate.
        2. While I concur with you regarding the empowerment of the next generation sadly one observes that ever since this and other sites came to being, our quarrels have always been recycled, with little or no sign of evolution. Add to that, the actors are the very same individuals that were at the forefront of ghedli. Personally, I would rather not delve into the internal issues of Ethiopia. Be it the Oromos or otherwise. However, as I wrote a while back, Ethiopia is not in the bragging stage yet. Moreover, I always wish that Ethiopians give Eritreans a chance to develop democracy, rule of law, and their economy. For Ethiopians, dreaming anything short of peaceful coexistence would only mean turning the clock back to devastation, stagnation of economy, and repression of human right. We have been at each other’s throats for 50+ years, leaving us Eritreans to curse ghedli while they are left to be fuming with the arabs.
        4. I was actually referring to the people who live on the borders with Ethiopia.
        5. I was born in Sudan and I have my own reservations about Sudan being a good host. While the Christian king was going around opening and blessing schools, my parents had to go Cairo to study. Even then they could not make it there nor in Sudan. I will come out of my shell and tell you that for any immigrant (be it Eris, Somalis, Sudanis, Yemenis, etc) Ethiopia was a better host. Moreover all the guys that I sponsored came from Sudan, after fleeing there from Eritrea. But all this mean nothing; after all refugee is refugee, be it in Ethiopia, USA, or the Moon. They all ran to become refugees because Eritrea failed them.

        I wish I can write more but this is all the time I can squeez.
        Dis

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Dis Donc,

          I have just followed your interesting thoughts with Mahmoud.This the way we benefit and learn from sober exchange of views. While reading your post one point caught my attention; it has been recuring in my mind.That is about the missed opportunity of “… address[ing]” past issues “during our divorce”.
          This is pretty valid observaion.

          Though opting referendum to settle the legal separation was proper and necessary, the human (people to people) part of the long conflict that incurred deep resentment and bitterness was not addressed properly as to lay down the ground for the healing and reconciliation. This was due to the failure of the current rulers in Eritrea who were more preoccupied by consolidating power in relation to other stakeholder inside the country rather than the long term relation between the two peoples.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo & DD,

            The hospitality of the Ethiopian people and its current government to our people is commendable as DD has mentioned. They are thankful for that. I did make my personal note in one of my articles regarding their hospitality to our people. So DD’s warning on our attitudes and future relationship for the two brotherly people is very important.

            On the issue of “people to people diplomacy” at least I know two attempts, one by Berhane Gebrenegus and his colleagues in the in the Bay Area (west coast) and one by interested group from the Eritrean forum of New York and its vicinity where I was part of it. For certain reason it does not continued to break the misunderstanding and the perceptions that clogged us from forward looking. In any case, I still believe that, it is only people to people diplomacy that change the current socio-political and socio-economic relationship of the two people brotherly people, that ultimately bring peace and stability to the region.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman,

            Sorry for this late response. I concur with you about the generous and good neighborliness of the Ethiopian people that DD had alluded to. Though the current Ethiopian government has been keen in fulfilling its obligation towards international humanitarian law applying to refugees, it is true that the ordinary Ethiopians were magnanimous considering the bitterness the war had generated.

            In relation to the point you have raised on people-to-people interaction and diplomacy, I agree it is crucial because it opens the way towards process of healing and reconciliation on the grass roots levels. This is the point I tried to make in my comments to DD’s in exchange with our brother, Mahmoud, when he mentioned the idea of divorce in the framework of ending the conflict. This people-to-people engagement means of ending the conflict was never addressed. The EPLF and the EPRDF governments were more interested in mutual security and material needs rather than the larger and very important aspect: the moral and psychological damages the war had inflicted on the peoples on ordinary levels.

            Thus, I share with you the hope that the elites on both sides of the equation recognize the socio-human aspect of the war and help in seeking mechanisms that could lead to permanent peace that cleanse the lingering attitudinal perceptions.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ismel,

            This may be my first one-to-one with you and I hope long it may continue, given time!! While the current leaderships, on both sides of the mereb, are the main culprits, reading awate (which by far is the most civil) site one gets the sense that it goes farther than that. Awate and its readership being the opposition, you sense that we have not laid down the marker as to pointing out to the Ethiopians not just the legal source of our wars, we do not even know how to talk to them or write about them. Meaning; among its file and rank, the opposition has a deep seated problems within itself as well as with the Ethiopians. Its seems as if they are just happy they go from conference to conference only to leave bitterly divided even more. I never follow Eritrea’s politics* (neither is true for the Ethio politics) but one wonders if they differ on the outcome of their conferences and may as well be towards our neighbor to the south too.

            I, personally, will be happy with them or without them. I say this because Ethiopia does not need Eritrea. Now or in the future! After reading many of these back and fores I just wish that we take Eritrea to Mars and be done with everything else. Reality, however, points that we still have live with them!!! And if that is the case then living with them peacefully woiuld be my preferable choice. Moreover, I know what is costing (materially and emotionally) me negociating with them on most of my Sundays. But most of our Eri brothers live in the west and they could blind to it.

            Dis

            * My only source about Eri’s politik is awate forum. Never visited other sites and I do not think I will ever be.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Dis Donc,

            First, sorry for this belated response. Your desire to continued interaction with me in this forums is humbly reciprocated, and with due gratitude.

            In regard to your point on persistent and deep file and rank discords among us, the Eritreans, and perceptions towards our Ethiopian brothers and sisters is valid observation. This is bi-product of long societally pervasive conflict that had multifaceted impacts. Internally, our journey was not all roses and glories. Discordances in approaches and power centered human follies had often plunged us in crises that cost lives and disruption of national ranks. Such past circumstances in wars do leave lingering impacts that you have seen reflecting in relations among the current opposition formations.

            Regarding perception towards our Ethiopian neighbors, again the long militarized conflict has left unwholesome legacies that linger on until time and other happy developments overshadow them and relegate them to past memories that do not affect the present. After all, when we speak about war and conflict it means families losing loved ones and having to do with lasting injuries. This is the human burden on both sides of the conflict. Such wounds and problems can not heal except through genuine nationally commissioned reconciliation institution. As I tried to note in my earlier post with you, in my opinion, such opportunities were missed because of the mismanaged and one-sided way the conflict was concluded. I am alluding to your point about the way divorce took place. The political and legal phase had ended the war between politicians and generals. The large, and by far the most important aspect, was not addressed. Had this also taken place in the way the civilian conflict ended in South Africa under the guidance of Rev. Desmond Tutu, the impact of the lingering resentment on rank and file level of the two our two societies would have been weakened.

            To close these hasty remarks, I have to say that peace and mutually beneficial relation between the Eritreans and Ethiopians shall be dictated by, let me say positively, the tyranny of geography and neighborliness. Both peoples need one another to live perpetual peace and prosper because the future and its exigencies and demands render the past and its burden to more to the custody of history that offer opportunities to generation to learn and benefit from the positives and avoid repeating the negatives.

            Thanks again.

    • Thomas

      Hi Dis Donc,

      I think some former tegadelti are making things very complicated. They seem to act very defensively whenever the gedli thing is raised. For Gods seek, it needs to be about Eritrea now, gedli was like 26 years ago. Yes, we all know they had to do great sacrifices to liberate the country. What they are forgetting is it is about a country called Eritrea and it will not always be about keeping gedli’s history or not. It is amazing why they are so abscessed about this. This spend weeks and sometimes bluffing about the something over and over again whenever this gedli thing is raised.

      • MS

        Selam Thomas
        I think you are being too harsh on the individuals you have in mind. You are not appreciating the time they spend on real contemporary issues such as the current state of our opposition versus PFDJ, hinting out steps that ought to be taken in order to energize the fight. I think you are not being fair in giving them credit for teaching our youth why Eritrea failed in transitioning itself into a reasonably accepted functional democracy. Please give these individuals credit for not shying from criticizing four revolutionary struggle (ghedli), and or discussing the most substantive pressing issues ranging from why IA become the man he is to missing opportunities. Personally, those themes take up most of my feeds. The rest are all replies to skewed narrations and you should not blame me for that. We should not seek justice by becoming unjust. It is unjust to generally condemn ghedli as barbaric (your words); it is unjust to downplay and sometimes deny past barbaric atrocities of successive Ethiopian lords (regimes). The best Hayat could come to was describing them as “excesses”. Here is the thing: we tend to emphasize ghedli only when the intention of the people who denigrate it as “barbaric” becomes clear they do so in order to deny or refute the cause that had triggered armed struggle. The ghedli-bashers, folks who have never contributed constructively in discussing current Eritrean politics, emphasize the barbarity of ghedli in order to resurrect and exalt Ethiopian barbaric regimes and their leaders. Some of these naysayers even go as far as insulting Eritrean intelligence by repeatedly asserting that Eritrean identity was deformed, that Eritreans were advancing Arab interests, as if TPLF was not a major beneficiary of Arab support, as if the Derg did not use Arab tanks, pilots, gas and dollar in order to do a quick job on Eritreans and their struggle.
        Thomas, the demonization of ghedli is not the right way to unseat PFDJ. It is unproductive and honestly a futile one because almost all Eritreans participated in it for an obvious reason, and your current peers are the sons and daughters of ghedli generation. Most of them are articulate on issues such as the difference between ghedli and PFDJ and what’s needed to be done. Most of them get turned off because of the vicious anti-Eritrean Rhetoric. I continue to meet young people who come out of the country and I can tell you that I’m updated on all the issues that the young people care about. The business of bashing ghedli is not in their agenda list. Some of them paid dearly in the last war and in the situations that followed. They all agree PFDJ stinks, they do agree too that those who bash our sacrifices (Eritrean people’s sacrifices) do so for a sinister agenda. Believe me, I understand it clearly. while the majority of Eritreans are working to bring a change that dawns a better future for Eritreans, some groups are working, hiding behind the real justice seekers, for their sinister agenda. We owe it to our martyrs to defend their legacy and defend the cause they fought for. We should not be held in contempt when we are merely responding to blatant lies and distortions by individuals who have no intelligent contributions in discussing the current situations. None whatsoever. Their goal is to hide behind the real justice seekers and continue to sap up the energy from these real fighters, distracting them into unproductive arguments. I will leave out the individuals labeled as ultra-nationalists, and give you well respected tegadelti. Compare the contributions of Saleh Gadi, ismailAA, Amanuelk Hidrat, etc. (all tegadelti) and Saleh Younis (technically, not tegadalay but next to tegadalay) with the contributions of the ghedli-bashers , in informing us and helping us discuss important contemporary opposition and PFDJ related topics, in challenging PFDJ policies, etc. Help me please. Now, who is dragging us into unwanted arguments, who are making “things complicated”? Even the “ultranationalist tegadelti such as Semere Tesfai discuss contemporary issues, we may agree or disagree with them. I notice pressure in your tone, that is why I avoid responding to you. I still want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Frankly, I assume you are a young and frustrated man, because sometimes you become in line with the hard-core ghedli bashers, and sometimes you acknowledge the justification of our struggle. In part, I feel responsible, although there was nothing I could have done. I wish we had a vibrant civic society and a climate of rule of law and future-oriented policies in all fields; I wish I saw a civilian PM heading the government of Eritrea; i wish Eritrean youth were left alone to unleash their ingenuity; I wish there was a strong civic associations and strong mass media that challenged the government; I wish the beautiful valley of Eila-Ero, a valley that in the 70s of the past century, gave Haile Drue and his comrades refuge, did not become the notorious prison it has become to be know. I wish…..but we are where we are, and wrong methodology of struggle will not rectify what had gone wrong.
        PS: I have criticized ghedli in concrete terms more than hayat adem did. I just don’t accept her sinister agenda. I challenged her in the past to come up with intellectually challenging article (s), I have yet to see any. I have always believed we benefit from a critically researched articles about ghedli. The current book abot WelWel will hopefully become an example of well researched works.

        • Thomas

          Hi MS,

          Thank you for the respect you have shown in your writing to me/above. Though, it looked like as if you almost giving up on me and you wanted to give me the last chance when you said, ” I still want to give you the benefit of the doubt.” My advise is to never give up on your won: your brothers and sisters:) I appreciate your patience and the services and sacrifices you made to bring back our ERITREA. I understand the fight was very intense and very long at times lots have to give up the fight. It means a lot for ERITREA. About you might have wondered if I am being frustrated, I have to tell I am completely fine. Living in the U.S. for over 22 years and being able to experience my rights and responsibilities with all the GOD given freedom, I cannot think of why what is here is denied to my own people.

          Frankly, I assume
          you are a young and frustrated man, because sometimes you become in line
          with the hard-core ghedli bashers, and sometimes you acknowledge the
          justification of our struggle. In part, I feel responsible, although
          there was nothing I could have done. I wish we had a vibrant civic
          society and a climate of rule of law and future-oriented policies in all
          fields; I wish I saw a civilian PM heading the government of Eritrea; i
          wish Eritrean youth were left alone to unleash their ingenuity; I wish
          there were strong civic associations and strong mass media that
          challenged the government; I wish the beautiful valley of Eila-Ero, a
          valley that in the 70s of the past century gave Haile Drue and his
          comrades refuge, did not become the notorious prison it has become to be
          know. I wish…..I have many wishes…but we are where we are, and
          wrong methodology of struggle will not rectify what had gone wrong.
          PS:
          I have criticized ghedli in concrete terms more than hayat adem did. I
          just don’t accept her sinister agenda. I challenged her in the past to
          come up with intellectually challenging article (s), I have yet to see
          any. I have always believed we benefit from a critically researched
          articles about ghedli. The current book abot WelWel will hopefully
          become an example of well researched works.

          • MS

            Selam Thomas
            Thanks for the reply. No, really, I don’t mean I’ve or I’m about to give up on you. As you know giving someone “the benefit of doubt” means that the likelihood that my judgement about you could be wrong is high; that I believe I may be wrong about my assumption, etc. That is indeed good. I think we need to give each other the benefit of doubt. I have readjusted my opinion on certain individuals after giving them the benefit of doubt for a very long time.
            I totally agree with your views on how we should treat each other. I think you could understand how relaxed I am on issues of dissension from my writings about Agazuian, and related topics. I’m fine with people expressing their views as long as they do it peacefully and in a manner they don’t incite hatred and social discordance.
            Finally, I try not to be too harsh on the young participants because, as I elaborated it in my previous reply, I understand their frustration. I restrain myself from responding to every provocative reply that comes from a person I assume is from our youth.
            Even with the ghedli-bashers, I would not have a problem if they understood that as much as they feel they have the right to freely demonise ghedli, others also have the right to correct what they see as skewed narrations about ghedli.
            Thanks again.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear MS & Thomas,

            I feel better, you guys when you come to a common understanding. Both of you, you handled it well, that will eventually help you for the process of political convergence. Keep up that tone and respect.

  • Mez

    Dear Moderator,

    How much more time is needed to free my response to MS from the jaw of: “Detected as spam ”

    Please.

  • Abi

    Hi Vet Mahmud
    Sorry I missed this comment . It looks like it was under captivity by disqus just like the people you left behind soon after you delivered The Long Awaited Independence. That is not expected of a veteran fighter who claimed to bled for the cause. That is expected of a delivery guy at UPS. Drop a package and leave!!!
    What is a slight difference between you and the delivery person? You knew exactly what is in the package , in the delivery box. You packaged it, delivered it, and you run away far and fast before it exploded in your face.
    Enjoy your life in the US while the recipients of the package are suffering Day and night.
    I might be cold and dry. You are a coward who run away with tail tucked between your legs .

  • Nitricc

    Hi Horizon; Are Eritrean by any chance? You seem to think you know about Eritrea and Eritreans. you said
    ” If ethiopians died, they died fighting the unprovoked aggression of your leader.” If the cause of the war was Badime and Badime belongs to Eritrea, how in earth then can you say “aggression” ? you see, we went to war to clime our Badime from you and the court agreed, case close.
    Now, your Tigryan rejected General wants you to die for him again. my question is how would you respond to your Tigryan master this time around?

    • Hi Nitricc,
      The number-one Tigrayan is ruling from Asmara, with an iron fist, and you worship him.
      The problem is that you live with your own alternative truth, and you deny everything. Even if I tell you that the ruling by the international commission in the hague found eritrea as the aggressor, you are going to deny it.
      You said that it is within Eritrea’s right to start a war to claim eritrean land. You have an unfinished job then, what are going to do about it, start another war? Be serious.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Horizon,
        .
        I read Nitricc’s post and I was about to respond to him until I read yours. Thanks.
        .
        He comes out as a defender of Eritrea, particularly the Eritrean Government. He does not see any distinction between the two.
        From reading his previous posts, I am convinced Nitricc is an Eritrean-AMERICAN. Emphasis on American.
        Sometimes, his shallow statements are lifted directly from magazines, newspapers and TV shows.(Just like The Donald)
        He just substitutes Eritrea for America to be on the cool group, in any debate.
        .
        He knows about Eritrean history and current circumstances less than I do, and I don’t know much.
        .
        Mr. K.H

  • Kokhob Selam

    Awate friends…

    If you want to read more go to Jebena page I will not be writing …for next one week see you ! just pray for me,,

    ፍቅሪ ሃገር ‘ሲ መዓስ ቀሊል ኮይኑ:-
    ሓዊ ዘጥብሰካ ጉልበትካ ኣሕኒኑ:-
    ዋዛ ኣይኮነን ክንደይ እንድዩ ደፊኑ:-
    ነዊሕ እዩ ቀርኑ በሊሕ እዩ ኣስናኑ::

    KS..

    • Yohannes Zerai

      Dear Kokhob Selam,

      The best of luck in whatever goal you plan to achieve or whatever task you intend to accomplish, brother. May you return to the forum with your wishes and dreams fulfilled. We will certainly keep you in our thoughts and remember you in our prayers during you short absence.

    • G. Gebru

      Dear Kokeb,
      May the blessing of God be with you.
      Wish you the best of luck.
      Thanks.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Kokhobay,

      Good luck on whatever you plan to do. You are always in our prayers brother.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Aman, Kokhob Selam is soon going to have an operation in the head to remove some shrapnel injury he suffered during the armed struggle. Yes, the whole Awate community wish him the best of luck; and that he comes back to grace us with his messages of peace, reconciliation, as well as with his creative multilingual poems.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abraham,

          Thank you for the info. He will remain in our prayers and wish him to come with full recovery. He is one of the rare good personalties.

      • Thomas

        Hi Emma,

        I have reading you for a long time and you have been very consistent and focused on what you wanted to achieve. I never saw you destructed even when some (people like MS, Blink and others) tried to have you talk about the non issue stuff. Sometimes, I have seen Hayat the way you are seeing here now, but that woman is very smart and I still believe she is saying things for a good cause. Mind me, this is not about gedli or non gedli, I see that as irrelevant subject now. Gedli has liberated our country and I believe that was the first part of its mission. Now, the major part is uniting our people. I don’t believe you can force people to swear in the name of gedli. Gedli is past 26 years, but where are we know? If talking about gedli now is that important, I apologize taking your time. I don’t think it is healthy to bully someone because they don’t see things like you do. We need to move on from the gedli stuff and talking about the present and future of Eritrea and her people.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Thomas,

          Your forward looking is appreciated. The criticism of dragging us to the past should be addressed to Hayat not to me. Isn’t she who is trying to make cost benefit analysis on our ghedli? An absurd attempt to say the least. She does not care about the current realities of our people. As a result I have all the doubts about her and her mission.

          • Thomas

            Hi Emma,

            Thank you for replying. I think I am sensing on your idea of “She does not care about the current realities of our people. As a result I have all the doubts about her and her mission.”. However, don’t we have a larger monster to really fight and seeks urgency? I am really not threatened by what Hayat’s mission is going to do to my country. The ones taking actions to eradicate my people would be my #1 priority. Even if what you are saying about is true, what would be the worst thing that we could face because of her mission? With the current rulers in my country, I don’t feel like I even have a country.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Thomas,

            I can do both fights – fighting the monster and defending the history and heroism of my people. If Hayat and her company stopped of dragging us to the past, it is well and good. if not I can not close my eyes to trash the history of the brave people. Thomas, If it doesn’t matter to you, it matters to me.

            Regards

          • Thomas

            OK Emma good luck with that

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            So you have doubts about “my mission” here and you feel like you a duty to “defend history”? And in the same sentense you beleive that I don’t care “about the current realities of our people”.
            I have no mission at all. Do I look like I have a mission to you? What mission can I ever have other than wishing good and participate in a discourse to contribute my personal thoughts?!
            But the ghedli mind operates in the same modality all the time. A percieved mission is countered with a defensive mission! What mission! I don’t talk about missions here that go beyond individual utterances that can stop, go and come depending on the mood of the day.
            The tone of entitlement you assume for yourself is incredibly unmeasured. You gave yourself a double mission of destroying IA and containing HA? And you thought you are so focused on the “current realities of our people?” Mission then, mission now!
            The current reality is a direct consequence of ghedli. If ELF were to succeed by consuming EPLF, the reality of Eritrea today wouldn’t have been much different. Because it is the same ghedli stupid! If the more disciplined (relatively) Shaebiya brought us this, it is more likely than not, Harinet would’t have brought us something different or better. So your mission is a lifetime engagement of a non-stop mission of reacting and correcting.
            At one time, I would expect a sane mind to pause and think “what have we done to ourselves and our people? What is the better option from here on?”
            There is no history to be defended, my friend. There are crimes to be exposed. Not for the sake of the past but to save the future. Yikaalo (that includes you) has destroyed warsaai. Today’s reality of our people is the direct consequence of such missions. No no…no one must be ready to give ears to listen to a replay of the same broken record. We should try now for a change to listen to new and different voices.
            “Try again, fail again, fail better!” Samuel Bekhet.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            1. – “There is no history to be defended, my friend. There are crimes (of Ghedli) to be exposed. Not for the sake of the past but to save the future. The current reality is a direct consequence of ghedli. If the more disciplined (relatively) Shaebiya brought us this, it is more likely than not, Harinet (ELF) would’t have brought us something different or better. So your mission is a lifetime engagement of a non-stop mission of reacting and correcting.”

            Hayat: I suppose you’re looking for “a sane mind to pause and think” and ask “what have we done to ourselves and our people? What is the better option from here on?”

            So, tell me! I’m all ears! “What have we done to ourselves and our people”? “What is the better option from here?”

            This is the logic of your argument. Ghedli was fundamentally wrong. The Tegadelities died fighting a wrong cause. And if the cause of Ghedli was wrong the opposite of what Ghedli stood-for was right. The opposite of Ghedli was, to embrace the imperial throne of Haileselassie and the Derg juntas of Addis regimes – plus all the excesses that came with them.

            Here, did I understood you right? If that is the case, in order to spare ourselves from (a) “a lifetime engagement of a non-stop mission of reacting and correcting” (b) “to pause and ask ourselves “what have we done to ourselves and our people? What is the better option from here on?” – then the right answer and the right direction for future Eritrea that you’re looking for – isn’t it to go back to 1952 – UNION with Ethiopia?

            Now, since you’re looking for “a sane mind” for an intelligent discussion, could you please (a) explain to us why the opposite of the CAUSE what Ghedli stood-for is better for Eritrea and Eritreans – even today? (b) tell us the crimes of Ghedli that needed to be exposed.

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selam Semere:

            Haven’t read Hayats post (regretfully, I don’t read her “Ghedli” articles even though they are more coherent than her hero YGs posts on the subject) but if you are quoting her correctly and she abbreviated ELF as “Harnet”, that there tells you everything you need to know. I have heard the org referred to as:

            Jebha
            Te.Ha.E
            Amma
            Jebhet Tahrir
            Jebha Abbay

            But never “Harnet.”

            If Ghedli was on trial, hayat would never qualify as a witness much less as expert. As for what was the alternative for Eritreans in 1961 if not Ghedli, good luck: she is “just raising questions.” 😉Of course she will never raise the question Fanti asked: ” if as we claim Eritreans are Ethiopians, why are we brutalizing them?”

            saay

          • MS

            Hello SAAY
            When her usual ventures of bashing Eritreans get no way, she switches ti playing the role of a visionary partner calling for a “forward-looking” yada yada. Not only that she is so poorly equipped to set out bashing ghedli, but her counterpoints are full of incoherence.
            She is not shy defending Alula and king HS, and she doe not consider it backward-looking, but when Eritreans defend their recent history, to her, it is backward-looking. She does not hesitate from going back to “ghedli” in order to bash it, and it is perfectly “forward-looking” for her, but when we are compelled to go back to ghedli in order to defend it, it becomes “back-looking”. She taks about justice, yet she sides with the defenders of the genocidal regimes that made us pay heavy price. It is a matter of character. If Hayat were truly a justice fighter, she would condemn the barbaric actions of successive Ethiopian lords even if she were disagreeable with the independence of Eritrea, or the Eritrean revolution.
            The other point which is that this person has never put forward anything forward-looking in terms of the current opposition politics. Her only solution is the support of a “surgical operation” by Ethiopia to remove PFDJ, as if Ethiopia possesses brigades of Delta 6 commandos, haha…Have you guys read any of Hayat discussing current Eritrean politics? I read none. The folks who are frustrated about the situation have been discussing weaknesses of the opposition and its strength, suggesting ways forward, we were discussing about constitution and transition, etc. Have you read anything Eritrean in Hayat’s thousands of ghedli-bashing feeds? Well, everything points to the same conclusion I have been trying not to make.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay,

            Are you kidding? She will never answers questions that contradicts her. She is a shrewd debater who filters points of advantage and disadvantage to score points. She enjoys debate irrespective whether it is useful for the current struggle or not. She is a good hindsight judge, and not a contributer of change in the middle of hot political frictions. That is why she is consumed on ghedli’s excesses of the past as oppose what should be done to the current predicament. She has never engaged on solution oriented issues. That is why I felt about her that she is in undisclosed mission.

            Regards

          • Selam saay,

            ” if as we claim eritreans are ethiopians, why are we brutalizing them?” is not a new thing. It was said by many socialist revolutionaries of the time worth their salt. There were others who were bringing in their discussions the case of the soviet union and finland, that lenin had to let go finland, because he believed that they were at a different level of development. There were many ethiopians who would speak their minds and say, let eritrea go her way, because they were fed up with the derg and the whole situation, but these were the voices of ordinary people.

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            Ramadan kariam, belated. This year after 4 years Ramadan is being hold in Canada (for those who will be confused, this is inside joke. it is not for you):-)
            Now, I am breaking my fast for your sake and I have not read Hayat’s post, or any one eless for that maatter, but referring to ELF as Harnet is not what you are thinking, ELF is called Harnet by the older highlanders (christians), If Hyat said that, that it shows me that she is not from Dedebit:-)

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            I will rely on other sources, if you don’t mind, as you are not an unbiased witness 😀

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            I was going to say that but then again I doubted my self. I remember hearing Harnet refuting to ELF and Hizbawi referring to EPLF.

            The other most common words used were Jebha and Shaebia.

            Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam SAAY

            Hey Saleh, it is very simple to sum up the arguments of the Ethiopian elite – yes even the “fair minded” ones. And always this is their argument:

            A. – You’re exaggerating the atrocities and crimes committed by Ethiopian regimes

            B. – It is your fault those atrocities happened because you were serving Arab agenda

            C. – If you want peace with us (Ethiopians), stop showing Eritrean hyper-nationalist attitude – Eritrean pride through songs, dramas, literature…… and learn to worship Ethiopia’s 3000 year-old history, and start orbiting around Habesha customs and values as a nucleus of your identity. If you don’t, we’re going to be so angry, we will hurt you even more.

            And arguing these same arguments, we’ve been dancing Tigrigna dance (ሸንኮለል፥ ኣብ ሓንቲ ዓንኬል) for ever – saying the same thing over and over and over…. from my generation to my kids generation (the Nitriccs) – and who knows Nitricc’s grand kids 🙂

            Semere Tesfai

            Semere Tesfai

            We need a wall, and Ethiopia should pay for it.

          • Selam Semere T.,

            We should start building the wall tomorrow, and ethiopia should be happy to pay for it. 165K in refugee camps, the same number and may be more, living among the ethiopian society, and thousands in ethiopian universities; should we wait until the whole population moves south of the mereb? It is cheaper for ethiopia to pay for the wall than hosting the whole population. Let us be serious.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Boy, Semere Tesfai, is in a bad mood. Semere Tesfai (Donald Trump) wants to build a wall and have Ethiopia (Mexico) pay for it. That was cute on several levels.
            .
            I suggested the same cute idea of building a wall, built by Chinese, (2nd Great Wall) a long time ago in response to some crazy notions someone was hollering about.
            .
            Horizon, do you notice temperature rising in some of these Awatistas? I wonder what is different this year from last year or the year before?
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            Sometimes, I ask myself if I am missing something. Ethiopia has accepted eritrean independence and she is living with it, while it seems that some eritreans are still not so sure about it. They bring dead and long gone leaders of the past to support gedli and eritrean independence, as if these people still control the situation. Gedli and eritrean independence are realities nobody can change or wants to change. Nevertheless, one can discuss about the quality of the final product.

            In addition, nobody is saying they should forget or even forgive for what has happened in the past, but dwelling in the past and forgetting all about the present and the future, has become toxic not only to them, but to the whole region that is affected in a negative way.

            Can you imagine S.T. telling ethiopia to pay for the wall he wants to build, while the regime he so fervently supports (of course, it is his right) is the one that produces and sends refugees to ethiopia and beyond. Have you heard of ethiopians moving in the opposite direction, except the few disgruntled groups.

            Few want to realize that ethiopia has drifted away from eritrea and she is building new friendships and alliances, turning her back on eritrea. We read about ethiopia trying to be a stakeholder in the port of barbara, nairobi connecting with addis through chinese-built railway, etc, which shows that ethiopia’s priorities are completely different from that of eritrea’s. On the contrary, the regime in asmara is looking for ways to attract arab military bases on its land, which could have grave consequences. Many regime supporters are waiting for the day egypt and other arab states will come against ethiopia, so that they can participate in the crusade, or ethiopia implodes due to ethnic crisis, while in their own backyard ethnic, religious and regional controversies are fomenting.

            It is not only eritrean politics that has been hijacked by eritrean elites, but also eritrean independence and eritrea’s future. All this for the sake of empty bravado, egoistic self-image, insensitivity to the plight of the masses and hatred towards ethiopia, which they believe is responsible for the problems of eritrea: past, present and future.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            የኔ ባትሆን ይቆጨኝ ነበር!
            All I want to add on the above masterpiece is that some Awatista believe the Eritrean independence is so shaky it might collapse with a single comment by a cyber warrior.
            Relax, People!

          • saay7

            Semere:

            Pretty much. From the Ghedli defamers Ethiopian Abusr justifying camp:

            When you mention horrible atrocities committed by the Haile Selasse and Derg regimes, you are promoting hatred. You are not even allowed to grieve or mourn the victims. What’s wrong with you? Move on! Besides HSI and Derg committed similar crimes in Ethiopia proper so stop whining. Crybaby.

            When you bring up crimes committed by the Ghedli against Tegadelti and the people, you are a bold, independent minded free-thinking person breaking taboos and “raising questions” and if the only conclusion people reach is that launching a revolution to resist injustice was a mistake, well that’s on you. All the person did is “raise questions.”

            These questions will continue to be raised because the trauma Eritreans go through have been clinically isolated to be cause by Ghedli.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            Do you think it’s time to evaluate AT forum, it’s value an it’s effectiveness.

            In my personal opinion and speaking for my self, I seem to be bogged down in endless no shenkolel/ inklil with either the PFDJ die hard sympathizers and Eritrea Ghedli defamers …and very little is spend dealing with the current issue and shaping future post PFDJ government Eritrea.

            Here is my reason:

            Reading the 1952 Eritrean constitution as ratified in 11th Sept 1952

            Part VI. Amendment of the Constitution Sole Charter.

            Article 91
            2. Artcile 16 of the Constitution, by terms of which the Constitution of Eritrea is based on the principles of democratic government, shall NOT be amended.

            Article 16:

            The principle of democratic government
            The constitution of Eritrea is based on the principles of democratic government.

            Dear Saay,

            Now please tell me. Did the Eritrean parliament (Asfaha and company) have the mandate to abolish the Eritrean constitution?

            If I read this constitutions and it’s limits correctly, NO they do NOT.

            Anything that followed is really a mute point. How much the Christians Orthodox benefited, how much school and factory the king build, etc..is really not the point.

            If people do not understand the value and the constitution and people are not willing do die for it, then there is no basis for anything…..Eritrean from a democratic and free society (freedom of religion, association, speech etc) (albeit it’s weakness) have been reduced to run for the lives and live in exile….

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Hawuna Berhe
            I understand you are a Constitutional Lawyer. You are emphasizing constitution more than anything else. You are trying to belittle what The Great King built in Eritrea including factories and schools. According to Amanuel many high schools were built in a very short period of time. Add to that there were 37 factories built just in 5 short years. That was a great achievement by the king with the help of local administration.
            Now, you live in a very developed country with no documented constitution. You see Hawuna Berhe, a quick Google search shows England, Israel, Canada don’t have a documented constitution. They are , however, developed countries.
            Unless it is one of your Doublethink, what is this focusing only on constitution as if the survival of Eritrea depends on it?
            I prefer more dabo than a constitution. If only Canada swaps its development with my constitution!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            A human being, call him king, emperor or what have you is equal to all other human beings.

            I don’t expect to get Dabo, Shiro, education or what ever out of the good will of another human being…

            No nation, no country and no society is ever become “hunger free” by a good will of a one person.

            There is an Indian economic Professor I believe who won the noble peace prize. He said “no democratic country” will have hunger or famine.

            Speaking of Canada, there is a constitution which is based on the British system (that the country had) when it was created. It was not violated by British or Canada.

            Canada has one of the most important document and it’s called “The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms” and it’s this document that guides Canadians and made them great.

            I don’t know about those other countries to know enough to make an argument….but speaking of England, the only reason why it stayed a great Monarch when many others have failed..because the British developed a document called “The Magna Carta”, over 900 years ago.

            That is the only reason why the British become great…

            I am not a constitution scholar, actually I know very little but if there is a constitution then there is dabo, as a matter of fact plenty of dabo. You will never have to worry about dabo for the rest of your life…you know why…there will be no “Hodam”.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            Could you please stop using me as reference. You always distort my comment. When did I say HS opened many high schools? How many is “many”? If I am distrustful to you why do you use me as a reference to your argument? Please stay away from my back.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            For a very long time, given his sense of humor, I thought Abi was just having fun to provoke you. But now I think he is real. Like he is genuinely surprised about something that Sun Tzu wrote about in his Art of War centuries ago: “to know your enemy, you must become your enemy.” Why is Abi surprised that an underground recruiter was operating “secretly”? I mean right about then there were many Haile Selasse recruited Eritreans infiltrating or trying to infiltrate the ELF. Isn’t that what all forces engaged in warfare do?

            His anger should be directed at his former government for not spotting you. You on the other hand are to be congratulated for carrying out your duty under the very nose of Abi:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            Man ! Who could say it better? Your crispy comment isn’t only a response to him, but it is also a lesson to him as to the nature of warfare and how it operates. Saay, I can’t thank you enough.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Abu salaH,

            This is a comment worth exclaiming, “I wish I said that.” Indeed, I was also believing that Abi was trying to display his dry humor. Now I know it is beyond any kind of humor. I think it is personal bitterness. Otherwise why would he insult and provoke Eritreans day in an day out?

            He would rather hear about the Eritrean history from an unreformed Commandis soldier. But we have one in the house who is feeling so powerful in his feeble overused bigoted arguments. Do you have a clue who that would be?

          • Abi

            That must be Saleh Gadi Johar

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            With respect to how we divide our time between working on a solution for Eritrea and battling those who belittle our vision, I don’t think it is an either/or situation. If you are saying we don’t seem to have a balance, then yes I agree. And you can’t have a balance unless your are organized and you have people working on their interest/passion/talent and advancing the cause. For example, just this week, there was a clash of narratives in Geneva. If Wedi Gerhatu had been allowed to speak unchallenged, the narrative he gave–that there are “32 civil society groups in Eritrea”, that “43,000 Eritreans in Diaspora” spontaneously arose and wrote letters of protest to Human Rights Council, would have been *the* narrative. The opposition was in a position to challenge this assertion with the likes of Elizabeth Chyrum, Selam Kidane, Daniel Mekonnen, etc, telling our side of the story: that the “civil society” in Eritrea are mass organizations controlled by PFDJ; that the 43,000 letters were choreographed, etc, etc.

            To defeat a narrative, you need a counter narrative. The EPLF/PFDJ has been very disciplined at its own narrative (most totalitarian orgs are) and we have not been disciplined in our narrative (thus the focus on our history.) I was listening to a Paltalk conversation over the weekend and there were guys saying that the EPLF attack of the Ethiopian MiGs at Asmara airport never happened because if it had, we would have seen, just as we see tank graveyards all over Eritrea, plane graveyards. I was speechless: I guess that book I read in the mid 1990s, Operation Commando, is all made up? I mean what is the whole point of these distractions and how do they help with our narrative?

            On the 1952 Constitution, it is a historical document but that’s about it. It is a document that was created under the duress of Emperor Haile Selasse, with a UN delegate, Matienzo, doing most of the negotiations on behalf of Eritreans with Haile Selasse’s men (Aklilu Habtewold.) Like all compromises, it was something that nobody was very happy with.

            I have an unconventional view of Eritrea at the time. I do not demonize the Andnet (Unionist) Party or the Rabita (Muslim Bloc) parties. Both–the mainstream politicians and not the Ethiopia-dispatched shefatu–did their level best to advance the interests of their constituencies. People have a right to change their mind, and the constituents of the Unionist Party later on changed their mind and this had nothing to do with the persuasive powers of the pro-independence bloc, or Arabs, or the usual reasons given but primarily by the cruelty and savagery of Emperor Haileselasse and Comrade Mengistu Hailemariam.

            Constitutions may be alien concepts to pre-literate societies so perhaps our focus should be rule-of-law and justice. Thus why the oppo activists call themselves “delyti fitHi”: Justice Seekers. Not a good brand name but communicates our priorities.

          • Mez

            Dear Semere,

            Is that really what you want?

            Instead of tackling the problem at hand,–and find a solution that benefit all–you suggest a physical wall across the boarder; probably around 1,500km long.

            You sit comfortably in a “boarder less” nation and you wish for the whole Eritrean back home a dark era?

            You seems to be irresponsible oppotunist of the highest order.

            Thanks

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Mez

            No, no, no… I’m not for erecting a “physical wall” or any type of wall that divide any people. I’m for borderless free movement of people goods services and capital with minimum rules and regulations.

            It was meant to be a sarcasm – to express an irony, how we Eritreans and Ethiopians been TALKING everyday as individuals and groups for years and years, but still, each time fail to COMMUNICATE with each other. That was the point I was trying to make.

            Now, I hope you see the intent of the “wall” sarcasm.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Mez

            Good Day Semere,

            Thank you Sir; I will go back to normal mode.

            Sorry for my dog-style barking.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Mez

            It is all good. You were very respectful and asked a question respectfully, nothing to be sorry about. Thank you for your respectful response.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, I’ve at times heard people refer to Jebha as ‘Tegadlo Harnet’, so I wonder whether Hayat is just using a contraction of this name. I have also heard them refer to their fighters as ‘Serawit Harnet’, and their war-disabled as ‘Wugu’at Harnet’.

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Semere,

            Remember the harshest excesses of HIM and Derg were the heavy handed response to the terrorist acts of Ghedli. If there was no Ghedli, the excesses had stopped at just the dissolution of the federation and administrative language being amharic. That’s it. And this had little or no effect on the quality of life an ordinary Eritrean enjoyed during this period. Compare that to the excess of Shabia. Even when the people have embraced it, the regime treats them with such disdain and cruelty. An Eritreans quality of life has dropped so much that hopelessnes has dawned on a once proud and industrious people that they are fleeing their country enmasse to find refuge in the most humiliating way. And you are asking one of your own why she questions Ghedli ? the root source of all. You guys are incredible.

            Zarayaqob

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Zara Yaqob

            1. – “Remember the harshest excesses of HIM and Derg were the heavy handed response to the terrorist acts of Ghedli”

            Let’s see if you argument passes the laugh test.

            The following happened before ” the terrorist acts of Ghedli” – just to mention few.

            A. Before 99.9% of Eritreans knew (heard of) about Ghedli, the Eritrean flag was outlawed

            B. The Eritrean Assembly was dissolved

            C. Tigrigna and Arabic languages were outlawed

            C. The UN brokered Federal agreement was abrogated, and Eritrea was made a province

            D. The then Eritrean president and the president of the Eritrean parliament were in exile – among many other politicians, journalists, business men, students, government bureaucrats…..

            E. The hard core unionist Eritrean police general who was torturing mercilessly Eritreans who resisted the excesses of the Addis regime, was shot point blank in his office in broad day light

            F. Eritrean demonstrators were massacred on the streets of Asmara (1958) – just for opposing the excesses of the imperial rule.

            G. Key Eritrean bureaucratic position were being filled by Ethiopians pushing Eritreans to irrelevance

            So Zarayaqob: I know Eritreans were “spoiled brat”, I know Eritrean were felling “superior creatures”, I know Eritreans turning the other cheek would’ve been the ideal response, but, but, but ……. can you at least see, who started to turn the wheels of violence?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Zara Yaqob

            Semere,

            A-D: So you have a flag now flying even at the UN and the administrative language is tigrinya and arabic. Big deal. Is this supposed to be an inspiration for the young Eritrean toiling in the labor camps. Or is it supposed to give solace to those who are trying to escape the prison state by whatever means. Those are symbolic things that don’t add anything to the life of the ordinary Eritrean. They are living under a much oppressive regime, fearful of their life, suspicious of their neighbor and hopeless of the future. It was not a worthy tradeoff if you ask those who are bearing the daily brunt of the shabia regime.

            E-I: There was no concept of democracy then and anything that stands on the way of the ruling regimes policy was dealt with violently. The rebels are now ruling and they employ the same approach. There is no freedom of thought nor expression and anyone who challenges the status quo of shabia is dealt with violently. So nothing has changed on the freedom front. When the resistance turned into an armed struggle, collateral damage was inevitable. Now, I don’t condone nor try to justify the massacre of civilians by HIM and Derg. However, I believe the rebels should carry some of the responsibility as well. Yes, HIM and Derg were barbaric in dealing with peaceful resistance. So the natural course would be a much amplified version of this response if faced with an armed resistance. This the rebels also knew but chose this path regardless of the civilian casuality. They gambled that they can use this to further bolster their struggle. The irony of it all was that shabia and jebha handed out similar responses to civilians who were standing in their way. Let us not forget the massacre of the kunama people from this discussion. Nor the killings of civilians suspected of siding with the HIM or Derg regime. So, where does this bring us ? if the rebels are also guilty of killing Eritrean civilians, their own people, to further their goal then that cannot be a cause for Ghedli. If Eritrean civilians are still oppressed, tortured and killed by the rebels then freedom was not the goal of ghedli. The cause and goal for ghedli were lies. The only conclusion one can draw from this about ghedli was that it was just an intricate plot to bring the rulers of the rebels to power. Now this may or may not pass your laugh test, but it sure does pass the sanity test.

            Zarayaqob

        • Nitricc

          Hi Thomas: are you saying Aman-H is distracted? he never been more awake and resizer sharp on this one. the problem is that you are too slow and dull to understand and recognize what is going on around you. you just live and breath, sometimes try to think, it okay it legal and it free, try it for change. Sometimes i feel sad for you. what a life.

        • G. Gebru

          Dear Thomas,
          Greetings.
          What you said is acceptable, we have to move forward. In these forum many different players are partecipating and the initial goal is how to make Eritrea the Eritrea that was expected the Gedli will achieve. One part is achieved and that is the separation from Ethiopia. Wether Ethiopia was an occupying power or not that is another story, but about the different views about Gedli is that like the Amharic adage ” ካአነጋገር ይፈረዳል ከአያያዝ ይቀደዳል” in tigrigna ” ካብ አዘራርባ ይፍረድ ካብ አተሐሕዛ ይቅደድ” ኢዩ።
          Now, wether we admit it or not the Gedli was not flawless from the start to the end. Its hasty erroneuos
          start and its consequenece are haunting us today. Therefore the way out is I think to accomodate all views and find a means of exit strategy and concenteate on the pressing issues of social unjustice that is befalling our people today. Otherwise accusition and counter accusition will not reach us anywhere.
          Finally I would like to appritiate all those who devote their time and energy and give their ideas and views of real conceren fot the betterment of the Eritrean people.
          Thanks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam GG,

            No one will claim that ghedli was flawless, specially from those who were part of the ghedli journey. The process of politics is always full of flaws. What was not flaw is the cause and the aspiration of ghedli. So there were many flaws in the way the organizations were operating and in the way to handle their internal conflicts. So there is no a pristine image in ghedli in particular and in politics in general. The problem with Hayat and her company is, when we defend the cause of our revolution, they try to paint us as if we are defending every aspect of ghedli and worse to that the deny the atrocities on our people by the previous Ethiopian regimes. So there in no argument to romanticize ghedli as flawless project. Absolutely not.

            Regards

          • G. Gebru

            Dear Amman,
            How are you?
            You know to be frank with you I personaly do not see any guilt in what Hayat is arguing. Like anyone of us she is expressing her conceren in the way she thinks is right. Of course it might not be tasty to many but for the ohonest observer there are substances in what she says. This is of course my personal view.
            Now the big question is Amman, I think your in Ethiopia before you joined the national call. I do not know whether you were a student or working, but from my observation during my stay in Ethiopia is you know so many opportnities were open to Eritreans and many were capitalizing on them, but the problem was thier failure in maintaining it. Today Iet me say I am concerned that individual character of that time will turn collective and lead us to unchartered territory. Or to be more clear I don’t think today any ohonest Eritrean will be surprised if things go otherwise.
            Thanks.

          • blink

            Dear G.Gebru
            Can you mention some of the opportunities given to Eritreans in Ethiopia ? and if you can find one , will you compare it to the crime committed by Ethiopian leaders over Eritreans?

            Here is some of the opportunities given by Eritrea to Ethiopia:-
            1.The Ethiopian military had stripped Asmara University of everything the year before, transferring teachers and students, books, computers, laboratory equipment, school records, even kitchen utensils to southern Ethiopia.

            2.Emperor Haile Selassie, under whose rule Eritrea was formally annexed to Ethiopia in 1962, and the Marxists who took over the Addis Ababa government in the 1970’s discriminated against residents of Eritrea in the university’s admissions policy. More than 70 percent of its teachers and 90 percent of percent of its students were Ethiopians after few years moved , Then Closed.

            3.this list can be expanded but I have to wait your reply.

            The reason I gave you this is to tell you the opportunities you said was not kindness by Ethiopian leaders.At that time Ethiopia with its 3000 years history was Small scale peasant agriculture was the mainstay of the economy. If your so called opportunities are based on the Eritrean Christians used federation with Ethiopia to gain public sector employment in other parts of the empire , well as I told you Ethiopia was shipping Eritreans industrial skill to Ethiopia and the Tigrai farmers can not do the work at that time,so do the sidamas Gurges and amharas.

            Ask people like Saay if they know a place called Agarfa, south of Addis Ababa?????

    • Tzigereda

      Dear Kokhobna,
      I wish you all the best!

    • Hayat Adem

      Kokhobay,
      You are a shining star whose light would always be there lighting the darkness from high above. We need the light, come back soon!
      Hayat

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Kokhob,
      I just saw the note. I wish you all the best. Keep your spirit strong as always. You will come back healthy and stronger than any time before. I will pray for you, dear, in my Ramadan prayers. See you back soon.
      Best wishes.

    • Legacy

      Hi Kokhob,
      Everything will be okay.
      Will pray for you.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Legacy :–

        I appreciate for you wish..Thank you for the prayer ..

  • Sahay Erican

    Dear Berhe,

    ኣየ በርሀ:: I had a friend who used to say “ምስ ብዓል ንስኻስ 3 million ንቑጸር” whenever he saw or encountered individuals that look like you. So you, a former city boy, are telling us that the bombing by the Ethiopians happened before the barbaric gedli started, and the bombing was only stopped by the “graceful” gedli. ኡፍፍፍፍ። No wonder the PFDJ has lasted this long, and unfortunately, it will stay in power for the indefinite future.

    Could you please tell us the number of villages including their names that were carpet bombed by the Ethiopians? One thing known for sure is that the Ethiopians never bombed the city of Asmara where you had the best life and the best education which were generously provided by the Ethiopians.

    ንሰብ እንተዘይ ፈራሕካ: ፍርሃተ-እዝጊ ይሕደርካ::

    • blink

      Dear sahay
      To mention some of the endless crime committed by Ethiopian genociders leaders. I know you are a stone walled person but here you have.

      1965 at Merara, Hamassien province, and at Medeka, Keren province 67 men and 46 men respectively were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers .On 11 of February 1967 many villages were burnt down in Barka district by the Second Ethiopian Army division.On 12 February 1967, 21 detainees most of them teachers and government employees, were summarily executed in Tessenai
      • Between February and April in 1967, the Ethiopian soldiers burned 62 villages, including Mogoraib, Zamla, Ad Ibrahim, Gerset Gurgur, Adi Bera, Asir, Fori and Ad Habab. Furthermore, 402 civilians were killed, and about 60, 000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and by burning them alive. This was reported from local community leaders
      • On 11 July in 1967 the villages of Eilet and Gumhot were burned, and 30 young men tied up and burned alive inside a house. Five other villages were burned over the following days, 51 people killed. 6, 000 domestic animals were killed. According to reports the soldiers singled out camels for slaughter, because they were vital for transport. Wolde Giorgis (1987:82) also cited that soldiers slaughtering cattle, eating what they wanted, and then leaving the rest to rot. He adds that sometimes soldiers would kill cattle just to get the livers.
      • In November 1967, almost all the villages of Senhit 174 in all were destroyed by soldiers from the Second Ethiopia Army Division . Some reliable sources reported atrocities included: Kuhul and Amadi: the army ordered the people to collect in one place, where they were bombed by air force planes• Asmat: the army opened fire on a wedding party, killing an unknown number
      • Mrlefdp: thirty community leaders who met the soldiers and offered them hospitality were killed.
      • In 1967, over 40 men were slit on the neck in front of their children and wives at Misyam
      • 86 villages were burned in high land districts of Serays and Akele Guzai and at least 159 people killed.1970s• 32 civilans were shot dead when the army burned Arafali village. 88 people were executed when the people of Atshoma refused army order to relocated in a protected village this was in March of 1970.• In November, 112 people were killed in a mosque at Basadare. The people were collected in the mosque by soldiers who said they would be safe there from a planned air strike; the soldiers then opened fire.• On 1st December 1970 625 people were killed in the village of Ona..On 27 January 1971 about 60 civilians, most of them elderly people, were killed by soldiers in a mosque in the village of Elabered On10th of July 1974 over 170 civilians were massacred in Om Hager.
      • On January 31, 1975, when the Eritrean fronts launched an attack on Asmara city. Over the following four days, government soldiers went on the rampage through the city. Civilians were dragged from their houses and executed. According to the Human Right Watch up to 3,000 people were killed in the city • In March, 1975, 100 patients in Asmara hospital were killed, their bodies being taken out in trucks to be buried. On 9 March 1975 over 200 civilians in Agordat were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers• On 13 March 1975 the Ethiopian soldiers rounded up the villagers of Woki on a piece of waste ground and shot 37 dead . On 14 March, 1975 many women, children and old men were bayoneted and pregnant women were slit open / The Ethiopians then killed all the livestock and set fire to the house .On 17 April 1975, 235 civilians in Hirgigo were killed by the Ethiopian army• In summer 1975, 110 people in the village of Wokiduba were herded into an orthodox church and massacred.In 1975-1976 many youth were killed by steel wires and knifing down in the streets of the capital of Asmara ,Source (Dines 1988; Human Rights Watch 1991)
      Dr Agostino Tedela was one of the victim of Dergue in 1975

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Blink,

        I have never seen a detailed recount about the atrocities of the Ethiopian regimes against our people and compiled in such manner. Good job. The deniers are always deniers, and they will never recognize even if it happened to their own families. These atrocities that had befallen to our people are big part of our history and our memory. In due time we will put a monument on each village burned and every area summary killing occured. So Blink when you engage do it with only reasonable and rational individuals and not with individuals who deny the atrocities of previous Ethiopian regimes to our people. 😊 good job.

        Regards

        • Abi

          Hi Amanuel Hidnrat
          You are the one who kissed the king’s feet upon graduation. Why did not you quit your schooling and fought as a man instead of running around like a city rat poisoning people’s minds? Look what you brought to your people? Total misery. You must be happy about everything.

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Abi,

            You know what? There are very few moments in my life that tears flow down my chicks. One of them is when I read the guy’s comments. I guess blood is thicker than water:-). What a tragedy.

          • Abi

            Hi Sahay
            “ደም ከውሃ ይወፍራል”
            I suspect you are related to the guy. I’m sorry for your loss.

          • Selam Abi,

            “ደም ከዉሃ ይወፍራል፣”

            ዉሃ ወፈረ፣ ዉሃ ቀጠነ
            ችግሩ ወፈረ ላይ ይመስለኛል፣ አንተስ?

            ወይ ጉድ፣
            ለመሆኑ የወፈረ ዉሃ እንዴት ነው?
            አማርኛ ድክመት እንዳለበት አሁን ነው በደንብ የተረዳሁት።
            የዋልድባ ዩኒቨርሲቲ ጎንደር ስለሆነ፣ ትክክለኛ ቃል (ለ thicker) ይገኝለት ይሆን?

            ከሰላምታ ጋር።

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            ሰላምታዎ ደርሶናል የኛም ይድረስዎ
            አማርኛ ድክመት አለበት አልክ? እንዴት አንተ?
            ይህ ደርሶ ውሃ ቀጠነ ማለት አይቀርብህም?
            ለማንኛውም ጥያቄህን ለጎጃሜው ኮኮቤ መርቼዋለሁ:: መልሱን በእርጋታ ተጠባበቅ::
            የረጋ ደም ጉበት ይወጣዋል!

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Abi,

            I am not related to him. In fact he could be more related to you than to me as credible eye witnesses testified that he was seen roaming in the city where you grew up:-) Some said he was studying, and others said he was recruiting young men to join the barbaric gedli.

            The guy is the worst useful idiot highland Eritrea has ever produced. Sometimes I mourn for the poor village/city that raised him. Next time you see him bragging about defending the gruesome history of gedli, ask him why he deserted gedli more than a decade before the barbaric EPLF took over the country.

          • Kebessa

            Selam Sahay,
            Salih Gadi said the other day you were a PFDJ supporter. If that is the case, at what point did Gedli become “barbaric” to you?

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Kebessa,

            You are very naive. The guy would say anything to keep the cult he built over the years intact. He is scared of people like you finally starting to question.

            Kebessa, please ask him to provide a date and a statement I have ever made in support of the PFDJ mafia. In fact, I credit myself to be probably the first Eritrean to call the PFDJ a “mafia”. Back then, I used to call it the “black mafia”. If he proves me wrong that I was not the first one, I will pay a $100 to any charity that he supports:-)

            Kebessa, the reason why you see me here despite Saay saying “no one wants me here”, he meant himself, is to challenge the ruinous narrative of the gedli romantics.

            Brainwashed by the barbaric gedli in the early years of my life, I was turned into an extreme nationalist but not anymore. I have seen what the barbaric gedli has done to my people from start to finish.

            One more thing: remember that a harmonious and peaceful Eritrea has never been the goal and mission of people like Saleh Gadi, and it will never be in the future. If you hear them say otherwise, it is simply the dirty politics at play.

          • Kebessa

            Hey Sahay,
            First off, there is no naivety in asking. Secondly, there is no cult here. People are entitled to express their views just like you do. Obviously, you dislike it very much, but what can you do!
            Thirdly, the issue at hand is wether you previously supported PFDJ or not. We are not talking about a specific-date quote or post. And you admitted you DID support PFDJ (being extreme nationalist=supporting PFDJ). But if you were among the first ones to oppose the regime, then there is some credit to be given there. WdwHanka.
            PS. Easy up on Amanuel. You treat him really bad. Abi’s disgusting reference of him as ‘Hidnrat’ is more than enough.

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Kebessa,

            You have a problem. Are you certain that I admitted I was a PFDJ supporter? How does being an extreme nationalistist equate to being a supporter of the PFDJ? Why don’t you have the courage to ask the accuser to provide you the evidence instead of trying to infer and interpret my words according to your perception. I thought you were a reasonable guy. Just fyi, I have never been a supporter of the PFDJ mafia in my life.

            Cheers!

          • Kebessa

            Selam Sahay,
            When someone makes accusation against another someone, the normal course of proceeding is to find out if the accused concedes or denies, if concedes, case closed. If he denies, then the burden is on the accuser to prove. Now that you’ve denied altogether you ever were a supporter, Salih has to provide something better than the inadmissible “ask anyone”.
            On the other hand, I am not totally convinced how one can be ‘extreme nationalist’ and against the PFDJ at the same time. Isn’t PFDJ an extreme nationalist group (sacrificing everyone and everything in the name of ‘motherland’)? May be I don’t fully understand the meaning of the phrase, and because of that I put my statement that ‘you admitted’ on hold, pending further review of the phrase.

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Kebessa,

            You may know by now that I have very little respect to people who conceal their identities at this critical time of the Eritrean people’s struggle agaisnt the barbaric PFDJ mafia and its life-line: the mindless gedli romantics. I rarely play seek and hide with the anonymous. You may also be aware by now that the regimes existence depends not only on its supporters but also on the barbaric gedli romantics.

            Kebessa, you should at least be grateful to me for giving you the luxury of replying to your deceitful question up to this time. You know that I rarely communicate with the night-fairies😊

            Cheers and so long.

          • Kebessa

            Sahay,
            What you consider deceitful, I consider legit. Let’s agree to disagree on that.
            By the way, you say you don’t respect the anonymous, do you respect ANY of the non-anonymous around here?
            So long buddy!

          • blink

            Dear sahay
            What did you learn in 1976 in a camp with Ethiopian students ? Did SALEH know about that too ??? Come on sahay say it !!! You are trying to look nice nice to people like kebesa and Nitricc.

            Nitricc just ask his experiences of a camp in 1976 .

          • Saleh Johar

            Kebessa,
            Ask anyone who was at Dehai in the nineties and they will endorse what I said. One thing comes to mind; he had another guy who was as bigoted as him and they tried to make myself and a few others miserable by the type of comments they make, always about religion and regionalism and anti-Muslim vitriol. One time he or his friend said they wanted to sue me and four others because we were causing them depression or trauma because we criticize Isaias. Now he is claiming he was anti-PFDJ when his victims are still alive? It’s amazing. Just ask anyone who was in Dehai.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ, you guys seems to know who this bigot is, in which he goes by the name of Sahay Erican. Since we weren’t in the 90s or dehai political era, can you shed a light about this person’s identity? I know i am stooping to his backwardness but i am just curious. I know this is not worthy of your time but i think you have responsibility exposing for what this creature stands for and what he is. i can understand if you don’t want answer it. I am suspecting this the person Hayat keep reference him as AG.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            There is an issue of integrity and abuse of privilege if I tell who he is or who you are for that matter. I never exposed anyone unless they did it themselves. Because if that principle I suffered a lot due to the Ali Salim saga. Some evil people worked day and night to make people believe I was Ali Salim. It was easy to identify him but I chose to stay true to my principles and that of aware.com. I never did and will never expose anyone here.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Sahay Erican,
            .
            I always found it rather strange the two prominent participant, Amanuel Hidrat and M.S, about their squabbles about ELF and EPLF.
            In fact I was going to pose a couple of questions to Amanuel Hidrat. Questions that always puzzled me. However, I was convinced, if he chose to answer them, might go tangent to some side issue and give a non answer.
            Therefore, I will ask you, instead.
            .
            Amanuel Hidrat was/is an ELF member.
            M.S was/is an EPLF member.
            A.H appears to still hold grudges against EPLF and it is always below the surface until he finds an opening. I venture to say that part of his opposition to the current government contains that element.(NEGER)
            .
            My question to you if you have any answers is this:
            Was it a normal condition for highlanders/Christians to be a die hard ELF members and conversely a Muslim EPLF fighter like M.S to be such staunch defender of EPLF to a significant number of membership in both organizations? ( or are they the exceptions?)
            .
            A.H and M.S were and are believers in their respective organizations credo, rising to the level of religious fervor, in my opinion, visible for all to see when engaged in rehashing their historical aspects.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            Your question is not a simple one. It is the type of question no one has asked it before. I have very limited time now, but I will not disappoint you. I will do my best to aswer your question, hopefully soon.

            Cheers!

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            “Was it a normal condition for highlanders/Christians to be a die hard ELF members and conversely a Muslim EPLF fighter like M.S to be such staunch defender of EPLF to a significant number of membership in both organizations? ( or are they the exceptions?)”.

            Reading this with what I read about your past comments at the back of my mind, I should be very candid with you, and state that the mind set that produced such a perception dumbfounded me. I can see the prespective you are looking at the issue: that Eritreans are polarized on terms of faith (higlanders and lowlanders).

            That mistaken notion was at the center of Ethiopia’s failed policies of the defunct regimes (imperial as well as the military). I think some among the Ethiopian elites had turned the page and came to recognize that fact.

            Sir, Amanuel and Mahmoud cannot be taken as exceptions; they constitute an epitome of a normal and bigger picture in which thousands of fighters in both fronts fought and die together, and shared water and food, and even shared graves at front lines in the thick raging battles .

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ismail AA,
            .
            Sir, mistaken notion or not, the perception and understanding I have on the subject keep moving from one side to the other and back again, thus the question.
            It is good to hear from you and I will wait for his response.
            .
            Mr K.H

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kim Hanna,
            Glad to have heard from, too, sir.
            Well, I would ponder on the issue once and for all objectively and settle down on one percetion rather than swinging perpetually.The reason I raised the issue was because I was reminded of the same attitudes in the past. It is simply precariously wrong to visualize the Eritrean people along confessional faultlines. I know many worthy Ethiopian intellectuals like none other than Prof. Mesfin Woldemariam and the late Meles Zenawi recognized the mistaken notion on which the authorities of the defunct imperial regime had built their policies.

          • Abi

            Hi Sahay
            This is what he told us about his activities
            —Graduated from Bahir Dar Polytechnic Institute majoring in Industrial chemistry.
            — worked in Addis at CPA at Arat Killo
            — recruited Eritreans as an urban mass mobilization expert in Addis under the supervision of Dr Eyob.
            — betrayed Ethiopia and Ethiopians and went to Port Sudan. He worked as weapons receiving clerk at the port.
            —He brought unmatched miseries to his people
            — He went back to Ethiopia to facilitate college education for Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abi,

            A chemist can not be hired at CPA.

          • Abi

            Hi Amanuel
            I got the information from you. Betrayal is your trademark.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi

            Please let me get this right. An unjust government is there to be fought (betrayed is not the word freedom loving people use) Successive feudal Ethiopian rulers (and Isaias is their extension) were ruthless, cruel, unjust and repressive.

            Now, are you defending the monstrous governments that rule Ethiopia and took the region decades back? And left us the likes of Isaias?
            Just wondering because if I were in the position of Emma, that is what i will do–that is what every veteran combatant, freedom fighter, activist did. Your entire government did that with the exception of a few who could have had vested interest with the regimes or just feel loyal to them for primordial reasons. Are you defending the Haile Sellassie and Derg regimes?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            There are many times you and I don’t see eye to eye. But there is one thing I admire about You.
            You and Amanuel were born in Eritrea. You knew early on that the king was brutal. You decided to fight him at any cost. You went to the field. You didn’t come to Addis looking for opportunities to advance yourself while pretending to be a nice guy. I respect you for that. On the other hand Amanuel decided to come to Addis, got his education, kissed the King’s feet, gainfully employed by the His Excellency…. All the time pretending to be a nice person to his friends, neighbors and employers. Not only that , he was an urban recruiter who spread animosity towards Ethiopians. Don’t tell me he was preaching brotherhood when he was canvassing the city. He was busy spreading HATE. As I said before, it is people like him who caused the most damage between the two people. The sad thing is he didn’t make things better for his people.
            Tell me honestly if you trust this kind of person? Can you call him a friend?
            Can you sleep at night if he happens to be your neighbor?

            I never defended derg or the King. All I am saying is they treated Eritreans much better than anybody else.

        • Hayat Adem

          Emma,
          What made you beleive blink? Did you personally witness or analytically prove all of the things, no, even some of the things he listed?
          So it seems you have an established theory and all you need is to stuff it with stories, actual or created, regardless of the veracity and character of the person?!
          You already know my views on ghedli. But my impression of tegadalai is totally different from that of ghedli. Let me tell you my impression of tegadalai. S/he is brave at acting; ready to give her/ his life for what s/he beleived to be the right cause, tells the row truth as is; never hesitates to change /herhis mind and can divorce herself/himself from mistakes when s/he sees them; s/he is too selfless to fall for petty scores and always loyal to the bigger and enduring truth. Tegadalai must be different from a gambler who thinks the way out is only through enduring more loss until it becomes too broke to even continue contnue the game of losing any more.
          As tegadalai, You owe it to your people and comerades who beleived in the cause that now after you have been blessed the turn events, you should be speaken about the consequential broken promises and misled sacrifices. Be ware, we are in a mess and we brought it
          Upon ourselves. we are all part of this. Ask your self if you could have done things differently.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Tegadalay is a selfless fighter for a cause. Anything out of this description is a personal description, and your explanation will be your own explanation for your own purpose. Keep in mind there is no ghedli without tegadalay, and one who think on tegadalay without ghedli and its cause is not really what it means tegadalay. Hayat the more you stick in to personal view the more you become disconnected. These days you lost the fulcrum and equilibrium of your thoughts. Until you come to your right mind, I will reserved to share my view on the questions you posed to me. Have a good day until you believe on the cause of the Eritrean people and the atrocities incurred upon our people by the former Ethiopian regimes.

            Regard

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            Atum sebat gud knsemiE ina. Hayat gets even more bizarre. What was her recation to blink’s list of some of the Ethiopian atrocities? Here it is:
            “What made you beleive blink? Did you personally witness or analytically prove all of the things, no, even some of the things he listed?”
            Dear Emma, i admire your nonsensical replies. She is questioning your judgement and experience despite the fact that those atrocities being the ones which drove you to the field leaving behind a comfortable career. For the few who might have doubted my assertion that Hayat was completely out of Eritrean experience, well, there it is. And if they think Hayat is communicating to Eritreans, now they know she has not been doing so. She has been communicating to herself and to her small circle.
            I tell you this. She is not only an alien to Eritreans and their experience, she is too arrogant to try to dismiss, downplay, and mock the people who witnessed the barbaric atrocities of her successive governments. And by “her” I really mean it. Hayat and her wachlat represent the face and spirit of the evil regimes that torched Eritrea.
            The facade behind which she is hiding is crumbling. She is using the current unfortunate pain of eritreans for a different purpose.
            Even if you show her the well documented and very recent air bombardment of civilians in massawa, 1990, she will still ask you, “How do you know those planes were Ethiopian?” If you present her with the massacre of Sheeb, 1988, where a mechanized division overrun the village, in a premeditated and calculated manner, she will still ask “What if EPLF tanks did that?”
            atum sebat, gedede ember!
            Hayat, we lived it. For instance, I know of the atrocities in my area, and though the years I met survivors from the rest. I know you are living in your own world but these are not controversial among mainstream eritreans. thanks to the gallant EPLA, your army was circled and ground to pieces in 1991, we do have the archives. And interested Eritrean professionals have been compiling the crimes. The victims are alive, some are reading your outrageous denials.
            Gedede, Hayat, memelisu gedede.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,
            The atrocities blink had related was just cursory outline of what happened. I am sure there are brothers and sisters like me in this forum who had lost loved onse in those scortched earth campaigns that had “dry the sea to kill the fish” policy as guideline. Would you believe me if I tell you that I saw herds of cattle dying of hunger and thirst just outside the police camp in Sembel, Asmara, where a cow was sold for just 1 bir (0,50 cents in dollar at the time)? Those cattle were part of the larger decimation campaign blink has written about. The idea of the campaign was to destroy the livelihood of the peasants in the rural areas in order to either get them uprooted and run away or force them to gather at besieged hamlets in the style of Vietnam at the time. It is a sad legacy from which the two neighborly peoples should learn lessons that could help them reconcile with the cruelties of the past.

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes Ismail, I beleive you the very moment you say it. There was one quote hanging in Collin Powel’s office wall from Regan. It says like this: “If Collin says something, I know it is so.”
            I also know generally DERG was capable of doing such horrible things and it has been doing them everywhere including in Ethiopian towns and rural places. PFDJ is a continiuation of those cruelties.

        • blink

          Dear Mr. Amanuel
          Thanks , advice is taken sir.

      • Sahay Erican

        Dear blink (Gheteb Jr.),

        I hardly take at face value stories narrated by the barbaric gedli romantics let alone stories narrated by an anonymous soul like you. There is always human casualties during war, and Eritreans (the victims of gedli) know that the barbaric gedli was not an angel either. For every Eritrean person the Ethiopian soldiers killed, there were a couple of Eritreans killed by the barbaric gedli. Protecting the crimes of gedli while magnifying the crimes committed by the previous Ethiopian regimes is disingenuous.

        If you are truly passionate about justice and the rule of law, why have you chosen to remain anonymous? Do you really believe that the PFDJ mafia can be defeated by people who are scared to reveal their identities? You truly epitomize what cowardliness is all about. You have raised it to its highest level. You are not to blame. I blame the website for encouraging the ghost souls like yourself to flourish. It is high time for the guideline to be revised.

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi Blink,

        I have to commend your effort. Bravo Blink!

        -My village fits in the “…all the villages of Senhit 174 in all were destroyed by soldiers..” statement.

        Gheleb was burned twice. I do not see Emberemi, Hirghigo, Sheeb.. in your list. There are also many Saho, MensaE and Semhar villages that probably are not listed anywhere (in any other documents).

        ….And only the sacrifice of Eritrean Gedli stopped these carnage. Gedli was not about ideology.
        It was about stopping and eventually driving out the Ethiopian army, whether it declares itself Imperial or Communist. That is why Gedly is celebrated. And it achieved its objective at an unimaginable sacrifice. Sacrifice not for the sake of it, as Hayat and YG would say but because the magnitude and strength of Ethiopian army demanded it. The Eritrean Gedli had to rise up to the situation or succumb and…. it chose the later.

        • blink

          Dear Haile
          If you can get more detailed about the villages you mentioned, it will be great , because there is one book being prepared only for such heinous crimes committed by Ethiopian leaders and the people doesn’t have the chance to go to Eritrea but they are ready to document it and print it on a book. So you can ask your village elders and interview them like date , how many civilians were massacred and the way they were massacred is important. Most of the list is collected from the internet document by Eritreans and also old human rights documents.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Haile Zeru, yes, sir, our Revolution was faced with a vicious and entrenched enemy. The dictator of the Derg was determined to drain Ethiopian human and material resources just to keep hold of Eritrea. I don’t know whether there were other places in the world were a given regime kept on waging a war with so much loss and death suffered by their people.

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            In the name of gedli I swear to gedli you are exactly right:)

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Thomas, thanks for the rejoinder; though I don’t remember someone swearing in the name of Gedli:) I’ve heard people swearing ‘tekormyeni’, ‘tichebiteni’, ‘tihamshisheni’, ‘siga aboy’, ‘siga swu’at’, etc.

      • Mez

        Dear Blink

        The item you discussed, as-it-is, is indeed a list of war crime, in its own capacity. This is not what a professional army supposed to do–which should have based on most rudimentary war engagement laws and principles. What makes things more difficult to understand is the fact that these Ethiopian soldiers are themselves primarily peasants before the get drafted into the army.

        So a war crime is a war crime whether it is done by Ethiopian or others; i see here still a legal challenge to go through.

        On a closer look at the figures, I tend to see more unanswered questions. 1) These actions tend to show no professionality (be historic warfare or modern warschool) of war engagement, e.g. no POW, Indiscriminate killing of its own citizen civilian and their economic means of survival, 2) There seems to be no understanding (from the politician of that period) that they cannot win a war by killing their own people and destroying citizens properties. 3) it looks every account listed need an investigation of its own, 4) a closer look at the statement“…60, 000 cattle and camels slaughtered with machine guns and knives and by burning them alive” raises more question just simply from the standpoint of its doability.

        I assume the best starting point of dialog between Ethiopian and Eritrean intellectual would be from the points you raised, 1) verify them, 2) bring to people’s attention, 3) rule of law application, and people to people discussion and reconciliation process shall then follow.

        Thanks

      • Ismail AA

        Dear blink,
        What you have narrated is just a birds eye view or tip of Iceberg. You have good grasp of the events that compile up to constitute a sad story that shall remain as eternal reminder to the peoples on both sides of the conflict.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Sahay,

      Because they didn’t bomb Asmara, are we suppose to be greatful.

      How about the nombing of massawa, that was captured live.

      So your justification is becasuse of ghedli and it’s true reason they bombard the population.

      Before you can try to teach me history, why don’t you learn the history of the king. Way before he did it in Eritrea, he carpet bombed the first weyane rebellion and before that in Harer.

      Do you know how much money he was getting from the American base in Eritrea. Do you know how much he was saving on port payments.

      Even in Ethiopia including the French schooling the king got was out of the good will of there churches and missionaries.

      And a lot of the universities in Ethiopia were setup by either Americans and Europeans. At the same rate, the same type of school were being build on all African countries.

      So the argument if it wasn’t for the king, Eritreans would have remained illiterate when the whole African continent was being enlighten is really not a valid argument.

      Blink have given you a whole laundry list of the bombing and killing.

      So the people you saw in Sudan, exiled from their homes are suppose to be on vacation.

      Look I thought you have some substance but you are just boreq, bored with no solution.

      I asked you free weeks ago, what do suppose you propose to save your own Christian orthodox people?

      Berhe

  • blink

    Dear Horizon
    If the war was only for disputed border , why would Ethiopian open a front on other places ? If the disputed borders were settled by court , what is the reason for discussion?? What is to discuss?

    • Selam blink,

      Do you really believe that the war was due to a border dispute? Do you accept that dia started the war? Otherwise, it will be two deaf people discussing an issue.

      The cause of the war was everything else but the border. It was mainly economic and politics of domination by the regime in asmara. I do not know if eplf had circulated a pamphlet with the title, “how to exploit ethiopia, a backward feudal nation, and build singapore eritrea”, because the pfdj was acting as a neo-colonialist then.

      When it printed the nakfa, and demanded that it circulate on par the birr both in eritrea and ethiopia, that was when the economic plan of the eritrean regime became clear. It wanted to flood the ethiopian market with a useless piece of paper and rob ethiopian raw materials for re-exportation and to develop its industry.

      When tplf decided that trade between the two countries will be in hard currency, and only upto 2000 birr trade is allowed at the borders, which does not include re-exportable items, that was when the eritrean regime felt that tplf had pulled the rug from under its feet. It had to resort to the tactic it knew best, i.e. Intimidate tplf with its military force, which it was preparing for such a day, when it started the military service in 1995, and on the contrary tplf left ethiopia defenseless.

      You say ‘the border dispute was settled by court’. Its importance depends on the weight the court decision carries. Up to now, it does not seem much. Ethiopia has ignored it tactfully, the eritrean regime and its supporters are obsessed with it, and the world community simply does not care, because there are much more important issues in the world to tackle.

      The truth is that even the regime in asmara does not want to see a solution. I believe that the regime and its supporters are afraid that peace and normalization of relations does not serve their purpose. It is not far fetched to say that they are afraid that peace will undermine the importance of eritrean independence. Just imagine the movement of people during the union. Eritreans were the ones coming to the center, and very few (except some administrative personnel and the military) were going in the opposite direction. Remember also what happened after the referendum. Eritreans wanted their own country, but very few wanted to leave the center. I do not know about the lowlanders, but for the highlander eritreans, the economic center remains to the south of the mereb.

      If the present atmosphere of animosity continues to prevail in the future (most probably it would), eritreans will still be talking about the border/badme 20 yrs hence. The golan heights are still in the hands of the israelis after 50 yrs, crimea was added to the list recently, etc, and the world moves on. We will be naive if we believe that the regime is interested in badme, more than for its political expediency to keep the regime in power.

      What is the importance of the border/badme after all that eritreans cannot lead a normal life without it? What is its economic importance? Why is it a life and death issue? Why is there so much priority for badme and the borders? Is it worth it to sacrifice eritrea and eritreans on the altar to get back this godforsaken piece of land today, except for the reasons I mentioned above, and except the fact that eritrean elites feel that their ego is battered? Why not get it back in the future, and save eritrea and eritreans today?

      We all know which is the practical way for eritrea to tackle the problem, but the egoistic nature of the elites and the concept that eritrean independence has meaning and importance only when in a confrontational state with ethiopia, does not allow cooperation to bring a solution in the future.

      ‘Final and binding’, have become empty words, and it is all about the good will of the two people, a thing not to be expected under these two governments. The world is watching at david and goliath of the horn fighting it out.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Blink: the war was to reverse Eritrean Independence! Again Eritrea defeated them all. I know the Ethiopian leaders never learn from their past and they are easily manipulated, but When the day Eritrea and Egypt conduct military training, that is the day they will understand the whole thing!

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        Yes , but people from weyane school of propaganda don’t think that way, they are spoiled brats . Their queen, sahay and others are the ugliest once.

        Help me draw the queen character?
        A, her motivation to lie more
        B, her chameleon colors
        C, her love for nature despite what nature did to her .

        The others, I could slapped them with more but it would be animal abuse.

        • Nitricc

          Hey Blink; “Animal abuse” lol Forget the Hayat, she fooled everyone wanted to be fooled. i call her out from day one. I truly believe that she is one of those TPLF’s employee whose job is to go to the internet and enhance TPLF’s image while trashing anything Eritrean. The truth is what is the motive a Tigryan woman from Adi-Grat, naming her self under Eritrean lowlander name, in the cover of Muslim? She used keep saying that ” i just wanted the two people to work and live side by side” but her meaning of the two people, never included the Eritrean lowlanders and the rest of none Tigrigna speakers. what she was saying the unity of the two tigrigna speaking people. I din’t at the time what to coin it, but some body came with prefect name; The Agazians! once i heard that word and its meaning; the aha moment was for me. once again, she fooled who wanted to be fooled. she is a waste of time. Regarding this Sahay creature; well he is Agazian and he got cheer his darling. He is lost and wasted. he is not worth your time. let his run behind his queen lol.
          please be nice to the animals, abuse is never good.

          • Abi

            Hi Nitricc and Blink
            Interesting discussion between you two ticks about animal abuse.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi, interesting! you should be the last person to reference to the word “Ticks” You are number one and the best definition of ticks. Blink and I are where we belong unlike some ticks making noises allover it. So, thanks and congratulations for defining your own self. when it comes to ticks, you the fattest tick on the awate-forum. just saying!

          • blink

            Dear Abi

            Even the ticks need animal rights and that is why you enjoy here. Ticks supposed to grow in fat animalistic but you and your friends grow at the blood of the other Ethiopians and Eritreans.You all are an ineffably ill-bred parasite and a frightful urine-reeking cesspool of sub-human filth. I forgot one specific disease that come from ticks. That diseas can only diagnosed by: amoxicillin; doxycycline (if older than 12 years like Abi) Adults: doxycycline; people like Hayat amoxicillin; cefuroxime (Ceftin) or erythromycin (if allergic to penicillin) like sahay , it is just many of it. You guys has never been in the radar of Awate vision of INFORM , INSPIRE or EMBOLDEN for good cause.

      • Graviton

        Peace new?

        Are you outsourcing your fight ? So Egypt is fighting your battle now? What happened to your Warsai yekalo or whatever you call them? Opps my bad i just got an update, they are in our refugee camps. So whose defending your borders again?

  • Thomas

    Selam Hawina Berhe,

    I am sorry you are feeling that way. Trust me, I am not saying things because I am frustrated. It has been 26 years since our gedli has liberated Eritrea and things only are getting worst by the day. Our people have started to take the worst as normal. It is something everyone has to work about, it is frustrating because it has been very long struggle. We got our independence after 30 years of misery and finally when we thought things will get better, it has been 26 years of more nightmare. It looks like there will be NO end to the madness.

    Trust me, my whole thing is tegadalai. I know tegadelti in and out. Most care for their “Wideb” than anything else. It is obvious it is not like there is NO one tigadalai among the entire tegadelit who would not shot at his/her boss, Issayas. It is because they think shooting at Issayas is shooting at gedli, so the idea of gedli defense is the catch here. Yes, I have lots of very close relatives (like my mothers brothers and I have strong emotions for the tegadelti where they are my relatives or not). I am only criticizing the discipline that gedli thought them. These people must break the trap/chain that they are tied with and start to think outside of gedli, We must start to talk about what is good for Eritrea. The criminals or mafias ruling the nation though being selective like to talk about gedli 24/7. I know to fit their agenda, they seem to be writing gedli. However, I don’t really care because we have current pressing thing we should discuss than something that is already concluded. We don’t have the luxuriant of time to discuss gedli now. Our country is being driven to where there is flame and is about the catch similar to that of Yemen and other Arab countries. Issayas is only know for igniting wars, let’s watch out!! It looks like some will only forget gedli after we have another gedli:)

  • Abi

    Hawuna Berhe
    Definitely gedli stopped the bombs from raining from the skies. Beautifully said! You are a genius. What you forgot is gedli is operating underground torturing facilities all over your independent country . You don’t see them in the open. Just like termites they are killing your country from inside out.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Abi,

      So what do you attribute the killing of thousands and thousands of Ethiopians during the Derg and the key shibir including in Gonder.

      Is that also the making of Ghedli?

      Berhe

      • Abi

        Hawuna Berhe
        Say what?!?!?!?
        Very weak response. Try again.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Abi,

          Not at all. My point is killers like the Derg and PFDJ can come out of no where and it’s not because of having Ghedli or not. By the same argument it’s possible that democratic or better government can come out of Ghedli e.g. TPLF.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawuna Berhe
            TPLF democratic???
            Really? Seriously?
            Well, I think you are right. They won the elections 💯!!!
            I never write TPLF and democracy in the same book. I don’t know how you managed to write them in one sentence.
            ገድሎ የማይፎክረው ይቅር ይበልህ::

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            You know I should know by now, you will be nitpicking on everything I write without you express your opinion. It’s not a way to learn and share information. Instead of dwelling in the past it would be nice that we learn and move forward to the future.

            EPRDF, or the Paul Kigame party in Rwanda, or Museveni in Uganda are not that much different. Sure they are not the true democracy that we hope and expect, with every election, their power gets weaker and eventually they lose or will come a leader who will transform.

            I was comparing EPRDF compared to other Ethiopian rulers before them.

            50 years ago most of Europe was no different. 30 years ago most of Latin America was the same.

            Africa will change for good as most have done already (on the western side).

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Hawuna Berhe
            Are you blaming me for not expressing my opinion?
            In my opinion you are jumping from topic to topic without expressing your opinion.
            How about if you stay on topic before you travel all over the world?
            There will never be a dull moment when you are around.
            I’m watching the game. At half time Warriors are up by eleven points.
            ( I’m talking basketball )

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Folks, as expected, the pfdj regime has sided with the Arab countries who”ve sidelined Qatar, turning its back to a state and people who stood with Eritreans through thick and thin. This is a sad day. From what I remember, apart from the mediator Algerian president Abdelaziz Bouteflika, the then Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani was the only head of state who visited Eritrea in the midst of the worst war situation in 1999.
    The pfdj shabait website states “The decision that Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain have taken is not confined to Qatar alone – as the potential of Qatar is very limited. It is one initiative among many in the right direction that envisages full realization of regional security and stability. “

    • Selam Abraham H.,

      The ethiopian pm on the other hand has told the visiting fm of qatar that ethiopia supports the peace initiative by kuwait, and that the crisis should be solved peacefully through diplomatic means. He should have known that opportunism does not pay.
      Here is a situation in which four countries, especially the ksa is bullying and choking a small country that tries to build a balanced diplomatic relations with all the countries of the region. They are blackmailing qatar to break off diplomatic relations with iran, to satisfy ksa’s regional hegemonic dreams. Iran is already airlifting necessary items for the qatari people.
      You might have noticed the awkward bull in a china shop (trump) condemning the state of qatar, only an hour after one of his own officials was talking of a peaceful resolution of the crisis.

  • blink

    Dear readers
    Ethiopian government rejected the hunger in Ethiopia while asking for one billion aid money. As Washington post reported from the ground, the Somalia region can be treated as not hunger but famine. The people are in dire situation, most parents are losing their children due to acute shortages of food. The region has been under aid for 3 years in a row. Nothing of this is reported in the media except in the Washington post.
    The history started long time ago , this was reported from 2013 -2017 .
    Such was reported by Washington post,”Ethiopia’s government is warning it will run out of emergency food aid starting next month as the number of drought victims in the East African country has reached 7.8 million.” Yet they come up with new rain that can grow grain in two days and ready to eat by an Ethiopian in the Somalia region, so they said we do not have any hunger.

    An international delegation visited one of the worst-affected areas Friday June (09.06.2017) near the border with Somalia, which suffers from widespread drought as well. Several hundred people lined the dusty road to meet the officials at the remote airstrip, while rail-thin camels and goats roamed in the bushes. Animal carcasses littered the ground.Ethiopia’s disaster relief chief Mitiku Kassa told The Associated Press that the country needs more than $1 billion for emergency food assistance. Seasonal rains have been critically small and local cattle are dying. The number of drought victims has risen by two million people in the past four months. Now I want all the weyane lairs and old Ethiopian monarchy lovers as well as unionists like sahay to say a word instead of talking lies about our Ghedli.

    Our main concern should be for this drought in Ethiopia not to degenerate into a famine,” said the humanitarian envoy, Ahmed Al- Meraikhi. The United Nations has warned that Ethiopia’s drought will pose a severe challenge to the humanitarian community by mid-July with the current slow pace of aid. Well this weyane licker UN guy didn’t want to tell the truth unless it was famine for 5 years in a row. Now we know these Awate forum Ethiopians are here to defame Eritreans revolution not to care about justice but let’s not forget the green light given here is not as a dream sleep.

    Along with the drought, Ethiopia also faces an outbreak of what authorities call acute watery diarrhea, though critics have said the government should call it cholera instead. Who are these critics? Not Awate forum Ethiopians, these people are from Tigrai so they do not give a dam about a dying Oromo, Amhara , sidama , gurage, welayta and Hidya kids .

    • Mez

      Dear Blink,

      I admire your cleverness, and scientific approach of solving the problem presented by one of the Awate writer.

      Thanks

      • blink

        Dear Mez
        The witty put-down should only be used among friends, and only to add to the merriment. I do not believe you are in the friend zone to me. I have no reason to take offense, just as I have no reason to take offense at a naughty child or dog.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,
    pleas, pleas open Jebena And enjoy the poem bellow is just sample ..

    “ፍቅሪ ሕሱም ኣሚነ” በለ ደርራፋይ:-
    ኣመና ምስ ተገርፋ በቲ ተሪር ስቓይ:-
    ኣየ እወ! እዚ ፍቅሪ ንመን መሓራይ:-
    ሃብታም ኣይገደፈ ንድኻ መስኪናይ::

    AMAN ,MS,HAYAT and all ..

    KS…

  • Nitricc

    Greetings people: I meant to comment on this particular AT post but I couldn’t find the chance to do so. I think this article by AT is misleading, unfair, politically motivated and dangerous. It is very irresponsible to think the border issue as none issue. For those who think this is foolish obsession by PIA, think again there was a cost of 20K Eritrean lives. I get it in Ethiopia they don’t care about human casualties, may be they don’t care at all or they may used the war as population control mechanism, I don’t but Eritrea values every life that to come to exist. As far as I am concern, every responsible Eritrean should be obsessed enough to demand the implementation of the court’s decision; once it is implemented, durable peace is possible between the two countries, a peace that will last for generations with out the fear of renewing of a conflict. As we speak, the rejected General of TPLF is waging and spewing for the renewal of war between his country and Eritrea. Now, please some one telling me, what is the reason for such evil proposal? If any one should know and understand the ugliness of war should be this rejected and crying General. Every TPLF evil agenda for Eritrea has failed and now they are advocating for new war. And AT think that Eritrea is obsessed with border issue. let me tell you the day I was convince that PIA is not using this border thing as pretext to prolong his power. As you know PIA is obsessed with idea of food security, I mean the guy is hooked on that idea and everything what he does is to succeed in that front. then it came 2014 rainy season with everything Eritrea and PIA dreamed of, plenty of rain. You would think they will do everything to take advantage of this opportunity. Well, here what Awate team said back in 2014 ”

    “Though Eritrea enjoyed good rains in 2014, the farmers were unable to reap meaningful crops. The farmers were called In the middle of the harvesting month for training and they were forced to go leaving behind heaps of bundled stalks that they gathered in the middle of the fields to dry. A lot of crops perished, damaged by rain before they were collected and properly
    stored.”
    Awate-team counties
    ” Isaias had clarity on that. He said, “since training is a priority, harvesting can wait, we can afford weeks or months to do that… and one has to make a decision.” And as for the training, “regardless of whatever happens to the harvest, the government opted to have farmers lose their crops instead of missing scheduled training.” He stated, “we made a trade off.”

    for me, and for everyone who has a shred of sense; there can not be a better evidence than this that PIA takes the border issue very seriously as he should while Awate-team are toying aimlessly about an issue they lack to understand. Every Eritrean should stand up in Unanimity for the implementation of the border ruling.

  • MS

    Dear Eritrean compatriots and patriots.
    Up to this point, we have been on defensive position. Every now and then some Dibliqliq* gets thrown at us from anti-Eritrean individuals, same ones, and we try to employ reason and persuasion to set the record straight. We tend to waste time on defending things that mainstream Eritrea takes as incontrovertibly settled, not by negotiations or goodwill of the world but by the sacrifices of Eritreans. I would be delusional if I was to think that I could convince Hayat &Co. that Eritrean revolution indeed waged a just struggle. Conversely, one must be delusional if they were to think they could convince Eritreans their revolution was unjustified. However, that is what we are facing folks.
    Read the blatant lies and fabrications, same old lies, and you will see that these anti-Eritrea folks don’t represent Ethiopians. Once, during the reign of T.Kifle, I observed that the “Ethiopian” Awatista who were fomenting hate, and who were insulting Eritreans’ intelligence “are not the best Ethiopia could afford”. I was right then and I’m right now. These folks could easily be grouped into three, with a connecting thread expressed in their ill wish to see the disintegration of Eritrea. They are the badly beaten old chauvinists, those with acute identity crisis, and few disillusioned individuals. The old chauvinists will continue barking until their creator sends the alarm of their departure. The methodology employed by some astute awatista (IsmailAA, Emma, Tzigereda, Blink, Nit, AbrahamH…) won’t work. These are hardened anti-Eritrea elements who won’t give reason a chance. The individuals who are afflicted of acute identity crisis are also hardened bashers of our revolution, extremely delusional; who believe they could shake Eritrean determination. We can see, from their dibliqliq hodgepodges, they are alien to the Eritrean experience. But Eritrea seems to be too small for them and they seem to be yawning for mama Estobia. No problem. We do have some caffeine to awaken them. And I thank them for reminding us that, despite our political difference, we always come together whenever our core values are threatened. They unite us. The third category are patriotic Eritreans. They are just disillusioned; they wish we did better. They are right. We should have done better. We are going through a hiccup, at some point- not so distant in the future, hopefully- we will get over with this hiccup.
    Regarding our history and how we should narrate it, we don’t expect the likes of Hayat to educate us. We will narrate it as it occurred. We are not going to whitewash Ethiopian crimes for the sake of peace. Any peace espoused at the cost of burying our history is not peace. This is not only about Eritreans. The Oromos will narrate their history the way it happened-how despicable Minilik was. The Ogadens, Afars…and other peoples of Ethiopia will write their history the way they experienced it. Once they get full democratic rights, they will set the record of past consecutive Ethiopian regimes straight, the way they experienced it.
    As far as Eritreans are concerned, I’m sure, we will not allow individuals with acute identity crisis to give us orders on how to express our experience. Our pregnant mothers got gutted by knives, infants were thrown into the air landing onto trained bayonets, our villages were torched to the ground, our waters were poisoned, our women raped…and Hayat wants us to whitewash all these atrocities?!!! No. Peace could be made only with folks who make peace with the past. Eritreans are not obliged to make concessions, and they should never make concessions with folks who denigrate them, who deny our painful past. You can’t start a new sentence before you make a period to the current one.

    • Mez

      Dear MS,

      Past is past–as you said. Eritrea and Ethiopia are two independent countries.

      Tell me how to go forward, in light of this article please. What it says is every single Eritrean internal policy and politics is tied up with Ethiopia. (from Eritrean side).

      Help how to proceed pls.

      Thanks

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Mez,

        I think it’s quite simple. Like you said Eritrea and Ethiopia are two independent countries and their relation should be based:

        1) on accepted international norms and procedures and agreements.
        2) if both are willing, they can go further and bring equatable and mutual beneficial agreemets such as trade, travel etc.

        Canada and the US have been neighbors and best friends for the past 200 years, the last time they fought was in 1812.

        The are have the largest boarder, the largest trade than any other two countries in the world.

        Even today after 200 years, cross boarder between the two countries is not open for anyone to nilly willy cross the boarder…must have valid passport / citizen ship, must have visa if not a citizen, even that there is a limit how long one must reside in another country (usually 6 months).

        Although there is free trade agreement, once in a while it hit a bump and each accuse each other, steel, lumber, etc. that’s mostly for industry.

        But for individials, there is a limit how much good one can bring on the boarder dedending how long they stay outside..and subjected to tarrif if over the limit. There is travel security and boarder check at all boarder entries including at the airports.

        On employment
        Each country make their own designation of the employment they deem to be in short supply so they can bring people in the country to fill the jobs. Mostly are high skilled jobs like, engineering, accounting, medial field etc..the trend is most Canadians move to the US because of lucrative salary, low taxes and if they wanted to peruse higher education post the graduate level and the movie industry, including space related opportunities.

        My point is, it’s not like all or nothing, we should leave this to our able lawyers and economists to sort it out, there is guidelines based on WTO and others…and we do not have common resources that we both need to target and we focus on what we have and what we are good at. The economy will drive it.

        One condition for this to happen, in Eritrea at least, we need to have a democratically elected government that acts and lives in normal fashion. We do not have a government, we have one man show who doesn’t listen to any body and is not accountable to anybody.

        So the Ethiopian can see the decision of IA, is not the representative of the Eritrean people, that would be a step forward, which I think majority of them do anyway.

        Berhe

        • Mez

          Dear Berhe,

          Your points are well-taken.

          What about this: during the whole cold war era, West Germany was exporting more than 40% of its commercial products to former USSR alone.

          On the other side: we close our border, “not even to allow birds to fly over”.

          How idiot and patic we are to ourself!

          Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mez,

            I couldn’t agree more.

            Because of our long history of religion and believe, and sense of morality, we are (Ethiopians and Eritreans) one of the most law abiding, God fearing people, probably the easiest people to govern.

            Yet we are the most unfortunate people to deserve the leaders we have through out our history.

            Berhe

      • MS

        Dear Mez
        There are two separate issues mixed here, domestic issues and regional issues (border or Ethiopia-Eritrean relations). They may have influence on each other but they could be handled separately. In my humble observation, the government and some opposition voices have been benefiting from the deliberate mixing of these issues. So, let me give my brief honest answer to you. I do this because the way you posed the question entices one to relax and focus on the core issue.
        My take: I have been commenting on this issue for sometime now. I don’t if you have followed my postings, but I don’t agree with the explanations of both governments with regards to the genesis of the war, I opposed all-out war between these two peoples who had bled to get rid of the dictatorial regime of Mengustu H/Mariam. I’m not only speaking of the coordination that had existed between the Tigray people and Eritrea but between many other political organizations of the Ethiopian people, Oromo, Walayta, Sidama, Somali, Afar, Amara…name it. My hope was that the demise of Derg and the allowance of Eritrean referendum had rectified past injustices inflicted upon Eritrea. I was hopeful both peoples would move forward towards a brighter common destiny, not by coercion but by gradual integrations based on mutual sovereign respect. All those hopes were dashed. Now, we are back to basics.
        A/ any Eritrean worth of his/her salt should call on Ethiopia to respect the mutually binding EEBC ruling that it had signed.
        B/ I don’t object exploring Ethiopia’s “let’s talk first” as long as the ruling is not going to be affected. However, basic legal teachings tell us that sidelining any clause of any ruling amounts to breaching the whole ruling.
        C/While it is obligatory and binding on Ethiopia to accept the ruling without any “if or buts”, it is a sign of good will for Eritrea to just say “OK, what do you want to talk about?”
        The best private citizens could do is promoting peaceful coexistence. Some times people to people diplomacy affects how politicians calculate. Right now, the states quo serves both governments, and I don’t believe it will ever be passed as long as both governments are in power.
        My argument is not that people should accept the developments of circumstances as narrated by the participants and actors (ex. Eritrean Revolution narrated by those who participated in it, an entire generation, combatant tegadelti and civilians, but whoever wants to present us with an alternative narrative should do it with the interest of knowledge taking primacy over cheap political gains; it should be based on facts, not on lies and fabrications, it should be based on respect of the people under consideration and not on demonizing and lampooning a whole nation and its societies). I’m not here trying to convince anyone about the atrocities of Haileselasie and Mengiustu which sent hundreds of thousands of Eritreans to take arms in order to protect their dignity and survivability. I’m here asking certain individuals to desist from ferquently portraying Eritreans as, frankly, less intelligent, as the pawns of foreign agents, etc. I’m reminding them that their futile attempts to condition Eritreans into accepting that they had made poor choice by fighting against barbaric regimes is nothing but extremely and arrogantly condescending.
        The other face of the problem is this: PFDJ does not have a reason to perpetuate the whims of one man. The border is not a reason to ship off veterans, artists, elders conscience objectors, etc. to prison; it’s not a reason to have pursuit a futile and dangerous foreign policy; it’s not a reason not to investigate and prosecute the power abuses, and corruptions that many Eritreans are complaining of; it is not a reason to hold the political future of the country hostage.
        The way forward should not have been so elusive. All the ingredients for establishing a formidable alternative political front have been there for decades now. It is yours and my guess why a broad popular Eritrean political body has not been formed. Eritreans, in the government and the opposition, have been poor at identifying goden opportunities. We have been missing opportune moments on both sides. The struggle continues, but that should not push us to venting our rage on Eritrean Revolution. Critical examination of Eritrean struggle is welcome. However, sinister attempts of using the current predicament as an opportune time to remind Eritreans they have been wrong all along is not only opportunistic and annoying, it is also detracting serious discuss ants from raising important and contemporary issues.
        I don’t consider the individuals who have been name-calling and shaming us here, in a website that bears the name of the blaze trailer of Eritrean Revolution, as extremely influential, as far as Eritrean discourse is considered, but they set us back every time we want to discuss an interesting topic.
        I’m fortunate to have known Ethiopia and Ethiopians better, and I could only say that we are REALLY unfortunate to have missed so much of opportunities because of politicians and hatemongers among us.
        PS: Sorry, for not sticking to your question to restrain myself to a brief answer. I wanted to recap my views on relevant issues using your constructive initiative.
        Regards

        • Abi

          Hi Vet Mahmud
          Wow!!!
          I think you destroyed the bridge of people to people relationships when you equate first the Amharas then the whole Ethiopians with donkeys.
          You got an arduous task of ahead of you to help your people unlearn some of the things you taught them.
          ከመጠገን አለመስበር ይቀላል::

        • Mez

          Dear MS,

          thank you for your time and effort to elaborately discuss the few lines I raised. I highly appreciate you.

          To make things short and get focused on the topic, I am more of a quantitative analysis inclined person (more of facts, and data based). Now coming back to our discussion, it is once and for all clear that 1) we have two independent states, namely Eritrea, and Ethiopia. 2) at this point of our common history, not to accept this is like a war crime against one’s own people and citizen. Period. No more backward looking towards war option as a political tool.

          The author brought practically the whole eritrean politics and most of eritrea-ethiopia geopolitics condensed compiled in the above single article.

          Let me paraphrase what it says: a) the mishandling of relationships pushed the two nations to the border war, b) border war (98-2000) brought: a) forced labour, b) G15 jailing, c) us embassy staff jailing, d) resulted in catastrophic state of affairs regarding Eritrea /Ethiopia relation, and e) one can infer also that the border issue was almost solved; and, since around 2003, the implicit key question was where the Eritrean internal politics is heading. F) In the peace process efforts, as this article clearly depicted, the unexpected us embassy staff jailing became the main stumbling block; this is the main home take from the above writeup.

          Now, since the image of the United States is challenged with the jailing of its embassy staffer, it became by default part of the quarrel. My understanding is that the US became more sucked into this vortex mainly due to the internal dynamics of the Eritrean politics than in support of Eritrea or Ethiopia in the conflict.

          As the things are now, any normalization and solution effort would go from simple to complex. It may be needed to prepare a package of solution offer starting from 1) court day for us embassy staffers, 2) a wide range solution offer for conflict resolution with Ethiopia 3) get the state attention away from military based approach to economy based one for the nation building in Eritrea.

          It is also embarrassing to observe that the opposition is still primarily lined up in the old ELF/EPLF categories. I haven’t seen any rapid melting-together of opposition figures.

          As an example, i was a little bit disappointed that Mr. Woldeyesus Amar didn’t participate– in any form– while discussing his paper in this forum. Probably he thought we are high school dropout bunch of people having nothing to do with our time; a politician shall engage people where ever possible.

          Thanks

        • Mez

          Dear MS,

          thank you for your time and effort to elaborately discuss the few lines I raised. I highly appreciate you.

          To make things short and get focused on the topic, I am more of a quantitative analysis inclined person (more of facts, and data based). Now coming back to our discussion, it is once and for all clear that 1) we have two independent states, namely Eritrea, and Ethiopia. 2) at this point of our common history, not to accept this is like a war crime against one’s own people and citizen. Period. No more backward looking towards war option as a political tool.

          The author brought practically the whole eritrean politics and most of eritrea-ethiopia geopolitics condensed compiled in the above single article.

          Let me paraphrase what it says: a) the mishandling of relationships pushed the two nations to the border war, b) border war (98-2000) brought: a) forced labour, b) G15 jailing, c) embassy staff jailing, d) resulted in catastrophic state of affairs regarding Eritrea /Ethiopia relation, and e) one can infer also that the border issue was almost solved; and, since around 2003, the implicit key question was where the Eritrean internal politics is heading. F) In the peace process efforts, as this article clearly depicted, the unexpected embassy staff jailing became the main stumbling block; this is the main home take from the above writeup.

          Now, since the image of the sole super power is challenged with the jailing of its embassy staffer, it became by default part of the quarrel. My understanding is that it became more sucked into this vortex mainly due to the internal dynamics of the Eritrean politics than in support of Eritrea or Ethiopia in the conflict.

          As the things are now, any normalization and solution effort would go from simple to complex. It may be needed to prepare a package of solution offer starting from 1) court day for embassy staffers, 2) a wide range solution offer for conflict resolution with Ethiopia 3) get the state attention away from military based approach to economy based one for the nation building in Eritrea.

          It is also embarrassing to observe that the opposition is still primarily lined up in the old ELF/EPLF categories. I haven’t seen any rapid melting-together of opposition figures.

          As an example, i was a little bit disappointed that Mr. Woldeyesus Amar didn’t participate– in any form– while discussing his paper in this forum. Probably he thought we are high school dropout bunch of people having nothing to do with our time; a politician shall engage people where ever possible.

          Thanks

    • Thomas

      Hi MS,

      I am very sorry to see the respected Emma, IsmailAA and Abraham falling on your line of thinking and to see them talking like the regime supporters. When the major enemy of our people is actively undoing the nation we all seem to love and in action as we speak, your camps are so busy talking about Ethiopia and Ethiopians. There is nothing the bloody number one enemy of our people like than to see us talking about the weyanes and others because that is how they prolong the stay in power. I have to tell you it is very disturbing…………….

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Thomas,

        Can you please try to differentiate the two? That is Ghedli to liberate Eritrea and IA who happened to be the ruler of Eritrea.

        Simple and honest question:

        Do you believe IsmailAA, AH, MS, SGH and others who paid dearly with their lives and their sacrifice was to put IA and his kind of government in power?

        If the answer is “NO”, which I hope you say “No”, then that’s where everything ends.

        IA could have dead by the mosquito (how I blame that damn Mosquito for not finishing the job) in 1994 and who is to say that we will NOT have a democratic country (sort of typical African countries).

        Let me give you some examples of the countries who have similar / type of Ghedli and are doing relatively fine because as luck has it, they ended up with milder dictators…

        Ethiopia – Melles – party in power for 26 years.
        Uganda – Musevine – Party / president in power for 34 years.
        Ruwanda – Paul Kigame – Party in power 22 years..

        All these countries who went through the same Ghedli to change the government have relative peace, relative progress and the people are doing just fine. WHY do you think the problem we have in Eritrea is NOT related to IA but it’s related to Ghedli.

        Yes we need to move on….but please we can’t change the history of Ghedli…and if the attempt (that’s why most of the people are commenting to the Hayat) because she is on the mission to make sure the Eritrean people regret Ghedli and abandon it and go beg Ethiopia their tails behind their legs and ask for mercy….It’s not going to happen…those people who want to do that…like Sahay…can go and move there at any time, to any place if the Ethiopians are willing to accept them. But they are OK and live FREE in Eritrea, romanticizing the “good old day of HS” and even run in an open and FREE election advocating that they wanted to bring Eritrea back to Ethiopia like good old days…and if they get the mandate from the people to do so….let it be.

        But we should be confident in our future FREE and FAIR election, that our people know what’s best for them….

        Eritrea is not a piece of Himbasha that it can be broken and patched up…it’s made up of people a LOT of people who will are ready to die for it to protect..

        Fighting an internal dictator is VERY, VERY Hard to do…just ask Ethiopians why it took them 40 years to oust HS and another 17 years to Oust Derg…or Sudan (28 years), Egypt (36 years)…

        The dictator will be gone either by God or Man…let’s brace for that day and be prepared for it.

        Berhe

        • Thomas

          “Do you believe IsmailAA, AH, MS, SGH and others who paid dearly with their lives and their sacrifice was to put IA and his kind of government in power?” I strongly agree with you, they never fought to put a dictator to lead the humble and honorable Eritrean people. Now, I am not sure about MS though

          On Hayat you said, “……but please we can’t change the history of Ghedli…and if the attempt (that’s why most of the people are commenting to the Hayat) because she is on the mission to make sure the Eritrean people regret Ghedli and abandon it …..It ain’t going to happen. …you know why…99.98% of Eritrean people said so” I agree Hayat cannot change what our people have achieved. This is if we ever have achieved anything other than liberating the land of Eritrea. That is why I am saying we must spend more time on how to liberate Eritreans than wasting time on what Hayat to say. If Issayas is not Eritrea, why would gedli be Eritrea? Nether Issayas and his click nor gedli is above the people of Eritrea. Gedli is not God and Eritrea was Eritrea before gedli and will always be Eritrea.

          May be as part of Ethiopia, but Eritea was there with her urban, rural, mountain, valleys and everything. Eritrea had her yellow terrafic light on during the Ethiopia regime and now she has her Red light on because of the murders in the country.

          However, the Eritrean people were suffering under the Ethiopian occupation and worst now under the Issayas mafias click. What has changed or what is new? Gedli or no gedli, still brutal leaders whipping out the people and the land? We must take our matters seriously or we will fail!!

          Issayas Afewerki and his click like the two Yemanes and alikes are the creation of gedli. The other regular tegadelti are silently watching while the country they liberated is getting closer to the cliff because they donot want to be blame gedli. For gedli to be celebrated and respected, the participants of gedli must finish the dreams and aspirations of gedli.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            I think the mistake you are making, if I understood you correctly, we are were we are because of Ghedli, because Isayas is the creation of Ghedli. We are were we are because of Isayas. Ethiopians didn’t have Ghidli but they got Mengistu. On the other hand, TPLF had ghedli but they ended up with Melles.

            If you say we failed to see the making and being a dictator, sure its like that looking back.

            If for example, we had IsmaelAA or Haile DurE as leaders, I am we will be having different conversation.

            No body is disputing that we need to focus and move on, but day and night, we are being psychoanalized, because of Italians, because of Ghedli, because of Arabs, because of that is really like MS says inklil.

            I think KHsaud it best, those are there should be out of here and those are out here should be there or something like that.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Thank you for the prompt reply, Berhe. Yes, you are right at times it is difficult to predict the outcome of a revolution. However, I am having difficulty relating Eritrea with that of Ethiopia, Uganda and other nation who ended up with somehow better leaders than us. This is after going through violent wars to topple former leaders who happened to be dictators/ un elected leaders. Our case/Eritrea’s case is different because were fighting an occupiers, the HS and Mengistus/derg. The ethiopians regime against the Eritrean people, so all Eritreans had to stand up to remove the occupiers from their land. So, our case is unique as was never about changing a government. Let’s say someone entered my property and I called the police. The police found me and the burglary confronting/face to face. The Police office shots at me and the burglary. The burglary and myself are pronounced dead. So, they decided to bury me right at my yard because they thought that is the right thing to do. Shouldn’t someone blame the police because they should have killed the victim? Gedli protected Issayas at Forto, gedli killed our disabled/veterans, gedli detained the G15, gedli detained our journalists, gedli are shooting @ youth while crossing boarders/fleeing from gedli and what else. Gedli liberated the land of Eritrea to ENSLAVE the people of Eritrea.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Thomas,

            What greatness ” Gedli liberated the land of Eritrea to ENSLAVE the people of Eritrea. ” well said ..

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Thomas, I think you were in Asmara during the early years post the liberation of the city from the Derg. I don’t know how actively you were following the political, and economic policies of the gov at that time; but being a univerisy of Asmara student at that time, I guess you had some reading of the situation. Now, the question to you is did you have the same conclusion about the ‘dreams and aspirations of our Ghedli’ then as today? If not, then who do you think is responsible for the derailment of the journey towards better Eritrea which started with the liberation of the land and people from foreign occupation, and which was steadily progressing towards the attainment of its objectives?

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            Yes, I was studing at AU and I joined the Univ. in 1991. Yes, I was “mestew’ali” and was watching events progress. One thing I will not forget is the wild celebration of our independence and everyone was excited to the level I cannot imagine. Our tegadelti/the army was hugged and kissed like there was no tomorrow. If you think about it, who would not have celebrated that day:
            1) It was a family unity after 30 years of separation
            2) It was an end to the curfew the derg set.
            4) It was an ending to the brutal oppression and occupation of our land.
            3) It was an end to being called “wenbede”
            4) It was a day the rightful owners of Eritrea taking over own country.
            5) In short, it felt like a rebirth of citizens of Eritrea.
            Your question was “The question to you is did you have the same conclusion about the ‘dreams and aspirations of our Ghedli’ then as today?” To be honest with you, the first move by the EPLF (before turning to PFDJ) was to deny a medium to any non EPLF party. I think you will remember when anyone over 18 was forced to become a member of pfdj. Remember, our only option was to swear for “hezbawi ginbar”. I gave up in the PFDJ leadership in year 2001. However, I started doubting them after they start shutting the doors to stop us from being part off. The tegadelti and the civilian people each in their separate world first. Then the tegadelti (leadership) and tegadelti (regular army) friction. These all would have been solved, had all citizens were treated as equal. By the way now, it is equal oppression opportunity. I feel very bad for the former regular tegadelti and their family.
            Before I end my comment, I am appealed by the following:
            1) By what Haile Duru’e said at the Germany meeting with Eritrean there. To me Haile Durie is the Martin Luther King of Eritrea. He was the only EPLF leader who told us what needs to be done. Was he late, yes but all of us late for that matter.
            2) I agreed with what Berhe wrote, “If for example, we had IsmaelAA or Haile DurE as leaders, I am we will be having different conversation.” I never new ELF had leaders like IsmaelAA, AH, SJG, KS and others here. Eritrea would have benefitted a great deal from these people. This is had she has given them a chance.
            3) In the early celebration of our independence (may be in 1993?), Amanuel Sahle got in trouble because he stated “Tegadeltn hezbn Mai’n zeitn ko’inom”. The army and the people appeared to have turned into a mix of “water and oil”. That was to say there was no coherence among them.

        • Desbele

          Dear Berhe
          1. You seem to simplify the Eritrean predicament as a one man problem. Very wrong. Think of the thousands of enablers including phd cheerleaders stretched to Europe and America. And because you diagnosed it wrong your solution is also naive and simple.
          2. You provided examples of countries with “Similar experiences of Ghedli but who are relatively doing better.” I dont know the others. But i believe TPLF is entirely different from the monster EPLF. At leas to my knowledge class mates dont murder each other in TPLF. I am willing to learn. Do you know even a single fighter murdered by TPLF? It is in thousands in EPLF. And still continuing.

          The problem is deep very deep and we need courageous acceptance of the problem to move forward for a solution. Removing Isaias would not be enough to solve the trouble.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Desbele,

            I wasn’t comparing TPLF and EPLF or their experiences.

            I was responding to the comments that’s keep thrown at that, it was a mistake for Eritreans to go through Ghedli to reverse the injustice.

            I used TPLF as example and others who bear arms to fight for their rights.

            At the end of the day, call it Ghedli or other names, it’s not that was invented by Eritreans.

            I was not simplifying the problems we have with PFDJ.

            Berhe

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            Your line of argument would ultimately take you to the “untouchable” “sacred” Ghedli, dare to question it, you cease to enjoy the privilege of being Eritrean, an outcast if you may. The ghedli clones, captives to their own past misfortune, and true to their masked nature, would hound you, hammer you, and even “Ethiopia-shame you” to keep their sanity. After all what are they without Ghedli? Nothing!

  • kazanchis

    Hello everyone,

    The long overdue solution for border dispute shouldn’t be allowed to go on any farther. We, the people, in both side of the border should be careful not to get caught in the trap of endorsing the politicians of both countries, which are seemingly content with the dispute and judging by the look of it. It seems they are getting what they needed. In my opinion, EPRDF found the isolation of Isayas’s regime as their prime target and to some extent it worked and Isayas in return adapted to the isolation and tighten his grip in power. The author is spot on! You could tell he would rather have the dispute and him being in the limelight every elusive decision he makes and policy he implements with the pretext of ‘Ethiopian threat’ that has been blown out of proportion than reducing himself as an ordinary leader in somehow formal government setting.

    In politics, “there’s no eternal enemy and friend” as the saying goes and it is my hope the old guards of both PFDJ and EPRDF wake up one day to this fact and sort things out. Well, that’s a pure wishful thinking. 🙂 But we the people, should play our parts in pressuring both parties to reach at the solution, I believe we shouldn’t buy their old tricks today after nearly two decade, it didn’t work and never will.

    If Ethiopia changes it’s policies and subsequently that could increase pressure on Asmara to willing negotiate on key matters. Border towns are man made and it is harsh to cut off people but they should be demarcated and respected. I don’t see military action as a lasting solution by whoever undertakes it, it is proved as unsustainable and ineffective. Therefore, I hope the leaders would refrain from their ill-temper and tantrum.

    PEACE!

    • KBT

      selamat kazanchis
      the only way out her is to accept the border commisson agreement we don t care about ethiopian policy
      we have lost 19.000 hero to defend this land ,tell your government have little dignity to keep his word for peacer,but that is the only solution there is no another negotiation ,the is say (dorho be mehala hamassien be mechela)
      you see we dealing with low level people that cannot keep it word ,

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear KBT ,

        “19.000 hero” KBT –what about the other side?

        • KBT

          selamat
          well we don t care about the other side
          they come to kill our people ,destroy our country ,what do expect from us to do
          just seat and watch ,no no.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear KBT,

            Selamat,

            well , so aggressive! Why is that cruel? Be kind man!

        • blink

          Dear Kokeb
          What about the other? What do you think ? Who should ask about the others ? It is not I am happy about the deaths , it is just not my first concern if it comes to political explanation. I see you defend the lying machine on every comment and I have to ask , “what happened to the Old ELFista ” ? Are you content with the explanation of the Weyanes ?
          EPRDF even doesn’t care to have records of the Ethiopian sons who lost their life in helping weyane to stay on power, so why are you asking? What could possibly the Oromo , Amhara mothers say ? No explanation, no recognition and no news , that’s it they lost.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink ,

            After huge our culture” peace loving ” people at this corner of history we got to be widely recognized– of our mission. Since I am great believer of — that the past gone never to come back but the future never now but again it on now we should concentrate.. That TPLF & EPLF were united against my front ELF that doesn’t mean I will have to go for revenge.. I will have adjust my position to the correct side..

          • blink

            Dear Kokob
            I believe and still think Hayat is simply out of order ,
            80,000 ,, well bad but I don’t think about them as much as Eritreans (my brothers and sisters) . let Hayat, Horizon, Abi ,Thomas , sahay and others think of them.

            My question is why do they come here and spend their time about Ghedli ?

            By the way, FYI Hayat =sahay=Abi ….. all are the same.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi blink,

            Watch your word
            “let Hayat, Horizon, Abi ,Thomas , sahay and others think of them.”

            are you serous ? what makes you think so ? These people who pay their soul from both nations are only ordered… why you are not following humanism ..?

            I am not here to neglect one side –rather to create harmony..among people.. to say what makes the extreme side silent. PFDJ is against nature… those you mention supports..Ethiopian government now l let us see what their reply is..

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I love you.

          • blink

            Dear Kokob
            I told you I don’t find their death acceptable but it is the reality. And I don’t want to lie to you that I care about them equally with my brothers. I do not , I am Eritrean and care only about Eritreans politically speaking. The lose of one human being is tragic but our lose is something else. I simply don’t want to act like Hayat .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink…

            Not fair at all !!
            if you want love to gain our horn in the future..simply accept that truth..
            people to people discussing to solve the problem will be reality very soon ..and your way will not help let alone to serve the dead..

          • blink

            Dear Kokob
            Who are the people you are saying?? I mean Abi , Hayat
            Well I am young enough to see that happen but as far as they continue to invest in our dehumanizing, I can tell you that will never ever happen.
            If it was for the majority people’s wish and desires, well we could have been in good terms but that doesn’t work. The majority only follow the elite evil lead that is the reality.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother,

            I am here to see all directions north- south -east ans west ..what wrong in my stand ? leave all the past to our people say what ever is history…

            KS just make an x-ray and my doctor just inform me to face operation to take out then EPLF and TPLF bullet from my head …to this level i am forgiving ! what else can I do go to Asmara? visit that ..killer?

            Thank you blink, what else can I say?

          • blink

            Dear Kokob
            I hope and is my desire that you get good health , that is the first and best only priority. I hope you also see your mother land after the dictator. These two are my wish. I count any Eritrean who raised to the task of removing Ethiopian colonial power from Eritrea as my Heroes. I don’t care if you are ELF or EPLF ,party don’t confuse me at all. You see even if isaias and his colleagues did not write your history and endless contributions, the Eritreans in general do value your sacrifice. Stay strong 💪

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you brother..

            peace the way out ..Let us start won to fully concentrate about feeling of the heart to each other ..now you have got my intention…watch how much painful was the war that takes place 1979-1980 here were facing the war between Eritreans & Ethiopians the result of not solving the 2nd contradiction of EPLF and ELF …really that is the result …

            now again opposition are in the same postilion..what is going to happen? this is not really good let us think more clear …

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Kokhobay, I wish you good luck with your forthcoming operation; I wish it will be succesfull and you get better health.

          • Thomas

            Hi KS,

            Peaceful people like yourself should be around all the time. However, stay strong and get back to us well!! Eritrea needs 3 million of your kinds. The main thing is Eritrea and all Eritrean loves you. Please stay strong, you are the most important person in the awate community and we will never forget what you did for Eritrea. Mama Eritrea is blessed to have her children as you.

          • Abi

            Hi Blink
            You just made my day!!!!!
            You put me on the same pedestal as my Queen!!!
            Christmas in June!!
            I also started to like Sahay. He is a no nonsense Abesha defender. I can definitely call him a brother across the river.
            Thanks a million, Blink.

          • blink

            Dear Abi
            Yes I know you are the same like sahay but saay always asked me to buy bigger heart. Sahay is a bigoted person who hate Muslims and who hate Eritreans by nature , I used to believe you are also but as I told you I was told to buy bigger heart unless you are a disrespectful, heinously evil person , that is what abi is.
            Alula=power hungry evil killer
            Hailesilassie = baby eater
            Dergi=pregnant women killer
            Meles= A thief from 8,000 Eritreans

            You have these from Ethiopia that is your own character

          • Abi

            Hi Blink
            Ras Alula
            King Haileselassie
            Guad Mengistu
            PM Meles
            They will be missed dearly by Eritreans.
            Eritreans did exceptionally well under these leaders.

      • kazanchis

        Hi KBT,

        I find no substance to take your reply as constructive and serious. The ‘only way’ didn’t work for the past two decades and there’s no possibility of it working in the future either. The 19,000 lost lives weren’t dying defending Eritrea but they died in aggression against Ethiopia. That’s the correct way of putting it, as Isayas is the one who started the war and invaded Ethiopia and which he acknowledged himself in Algiers with his signature. The number of people died in Ethiopian side is more than 80,000.
        About your proverb: ” dorho be mehala hamassien be mechela” I didn’t get what it means at all, not very great command of Tigrigna but I believe I’m good in listening. So no comment in regards to what you said there.

        • blink

          Dear kazanachis
          He meant it ” derho bi mashela hamasienay Bimahla ” .

          • Selam blink,

            I was wondering, if anybody is aware of any explanation given by the fm of ethiopia, if that was an unfortunate mistake by the ministry, which is very difficult to believe, or if the ethiopian people were simply ignored, and no explanation was given, because it was a blatant lie that burst in the face of the government? That is politics and politicians!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I don’t think he was lying purposely. Looks like the video was recorded right after the decision and the assumption was the town Badime was awarded to Ethiopia. I remember the late PM, who called in to VoA interview with Abebe name and challenged the then Eritrean ambassador, Girma Asmerom who was the guest of the program and he was saying Badime was awarded to Eritrea.

            I also remember IA interview he had with then journalist Ali Abdu, when he thought Badime was awarded to Ethiopia saying “Badime is nothing but a small town of less than 200 people” the war was not about Badime etc and was preparing the people for the eventual loss..

            If I understand the make of the judges were, 2 from Eritrea and 2 from Ethiopia and 1 neutral..so you think those lawyers who they nominated would spell it out for them the outcome or the results of it..

            I think it’s pure politics..but there is no free press to challenge them for their words…

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y

            You have all the information ..I think you are right .

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I think the dictator didn’t mean to explain about the court decision but he was explaining about the cause of the war. I will try to find the interview.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Berhe, the border decission of April 2002 is still out on the net, and anybody interested could revisit it to study its contents. As you know, the decision is not a few pages, but lots of pages with lots of details and legal issues which might not be easily understood by lay persons like me. The only simple way to see the decision could be to see the final map; but to make matters worse, the contested areas like Badme were not pin-pointedly placed on the final decision map. It was only the coordinates that were given, and one had to go to the actual places and ascertain with GPS positions in order to grasp where the disputed areas lie exactly; for example, one had to check whether Badme lies to the north or south of the straight line on the western part of the border. I don’t think the Ethiopian foreign minister checked on these facts before he hastily concluded Badme was ruled to Ethiopia. But later on after the confusion arised and Ethiopia asked for clarification, the border commision confirmed that Badme indeed was ruled to Eritrea, and they had rejected Ethiopia’s claim of having administrative power over the border town prior to the conflict; I think the commision, among other things, argued that Ethiopia didn’t administer the town long enough to secure sovereignty over it.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            I think it was done on purpose. At that moment I was shocked and asked my Ethiopian friends and they all said , it is a cover up. I want information, did the government of Ethiopia tell the families of the fallen Ethiopian heroes in 2001??

          • Selam blink,
            If you are asking me, i really have no idea. I remember there was a complaint that MZ had failed to inform the parliament, let alone the families. I cannot be sure.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            Thanks because one guy who lost his brother in the war still couldn’t believe ERITREANS were told where their sons ,brothers and sisters fallen place and date. He said it is a dream but not reality and I bring him prove, he was shocked to find out that was not the case in his country.That is the only thing the dictator inherited from ghedli time.

            About the FM , he just thought to mislead people for a short period of time.

          • kazanchis

            Dear Blink,
            Thanks for giving clarity. Politicians lie with passion and I’m not gonna waste my time in defending Ethiopian FM. We have to see the matter as a whole and try to avoid not to engage in the same rhetoric which didn’t help solving the problem for two decades and counting.
            Cheers!

        • KBT

          selamt
          they died by defending their country
          all the war and battle happened in eritrea not in ethiopia ,it was an invasion
          for your stupid greater tigray or agazia
          you people low level brain ,do you think after backstubbing our people ,those who fade
          trained you ,and supported you did this to us .
          we dont care about your stupid change of policy ,the damage it already done ,you used that little influance that your master gave it to you to damage eritrea reputation ,you hindered our development ,you sold our youth to human trafficker so you think everythink will go away just like that ??
          keep your policy we are enjoying it ,you started we will finish it .

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Kazanchis, these are the official standpoints of the Eritrean and Ethiopian regimes regarding the border ruling.

      Ethiopia: We’ve to talk to facilitate the actual border demarcation taking into account the the living patterns of the people, meaning we’ve to demarcate the border in such a way that it doensn’t cause unnecessary splitting of villages/families on either side of the border.

      Eritrea: referring to the ‘final and binding’ (though this may have various legal interpretations) clause of the Algiers peace agreement, argues that no need for talks; we’ve to proceed demarcation of the border exactly as ruled, irrespective of the adverse consequence it might entail to some people on the border.

      If I were an Eritrean leader, I would not hesitate to accept the Ethiopian demand, while at the same time getting an international guarantee as to the legality of the border ruling as a whole; any eventual adjustments would only be to address the undesired splitting of families/villages on both sides. This political position seems to me the best and most reasonable way of breaking the impasse; but one needs the political will and the interests of his/her people as a priority.
      I say this becaue I know that at the end of the day, under a peaceful co-existence, borders are nothing but symbolic crossing points, esp. between our peoples who have lots of commonalities and interactions.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abraham; you said ” If I were an Eritrean leader, I would not hesitate to accept the Ethiopian demand..”
        That is why you are not the leader and thanks god for that. Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with you people? how about both countries follow the rule of law to settle all maters for lasting peace legally. Do you know why the corrupted TPLF refusing to abide by the court’s decision? because they are emboldened with weak people like you. If every Eritrean has to standup to the TPLF and demand the rule law to be followed, your TPLF would have given in long time ago, but thanks weak and corrupted people like you.

      • Robel Cali

        Hey Abraham

        You keep proving my hunch that you are an Ethiopian mole pretending to be an Eritrean with each comment you make.

        There is only one legal interpretation of “final and binding” and that is final and binding. The Eritrean government is legally and morally in the right. All the Ethiopian government is doing is making excuses and changing the goal post with each precondition.

        The bottom line is the Ethiopian regime does not want to admit Badme is an Eritrean town because it implies they are the aggressors and they have been fighting over sovereign Eritrean territory since day one.

      • kazanchis

        Hello Abraham,

        Exactly. You’ve raised very interesting point. At the end of the day the border is artificial and will remain as such. The people in the border town should be allowed to live freely.

        I’m afraid the dispute is being used for both sides politicians cynical motives and therefore the agreement mean change in policy and even for PFDJ it would have massive repercussion such as swallowing the bitter pill by having to entertain democracy and dissenting voices. The man will cling on to the dispute unless coerced not to.

      • KBT

        selam abarham
        of course you will accept it are you not one of them after all
        who do you think you measleding her kk

        • Abraham H.

          Selam KBT, as usual, you are relying on this simplistic and lazy practice of labelling people whose views you don’t like; something that your PFDJ masters have thought you. Why don’t you try to use your God-given brain to think and make decisions for yourself for once? This question also applies to your friend Nitricc.

  • Mez

    greetings All
    This concise Gedab news write-up reflects the past and present policy direction as well as the contemporary political mainstay of the Eritrean government.

    The president didn’t had any political motive
    1) to release the embassy workers
    2) to be innovative and move on the border problem with Ethiopia
    3) to somehow (political or judiciary way of approach) address the G15 arrest.
    4) embrace a semi-free-market policy for the country

    One can observe the challenge of creating a workable win-win economic, political, security arrangement, and diplomatic policy towards ethiopia.

    For example the Eritrean economic policy to engage Ethiopia seems to emanage (and still scrolled down) from the era of Italian colonialism.
    the Eritrean government seems to have no interest in acclimatizing itself to the new best scenario of doing business across the regional states.

    Thanks

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Tzegereda & Hayat,

    Tzigereda: Hayat will continue to be perplexed by how we defend the cause of our ghedli. Hayat could not tell us what was good and bad in our revolution. We know every revolution its values and its shortcoming. Ours could not be unique from all the revolution that are known before us from the past. We have never defended the excesses of our revolution, and at the risk of our lives we have never stopped from criticizing the excesses we saw in the process. There is no a pristine revolution by its nature. Hayat could not make an account of our ghedli more than those who were in it; and she can not make losses and benefits report of ghedli to us, for she is not yet privy to the detail of it. Second, if Hayat was honesty, and is concerned about the predicament of our people, she could have been focused on solutions and exit strategy from the current problem. But she is not. So once her project is only on the excesses of ghedli, she will never listen the argument of the other side and she will never understand that ghedli is the revolution of the Eritrean poeple, and ghedli Tigray is the the revolution of Tigray people that eventually transformed to be the Ethiopian revolution when they formed alliances with the other Ethiopian forces.

    Hayat: let us see what see to change the realities in front of us. Let us be good fighters for the realities in front of us, rather attempting to be seen wiser in hindsights. Good fighters are the ones who look and try to shape the present and the future. It does not make you good to venture in the past while the present is starring at us with all the adversity to challenge it.

    Second, we can not stop defending our history and the history of the braves who actualize the desire of our people to be independent. The current fights, whether you believe on it or not, it is the fight against autocracy and dictatorship, and it is not unique to Eritrea, rather it is a common fight in third world countries. Why are making all these fuzzy argument? When is the end of it? When you are not with present realities and fail to do something, you lose your common sense. Just think about it. Even if you are smart, it does not mean you could not lose sight on the realities.

    Regard

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Big comrade ( Amanuel).

      Now open Jebena page and read the latest poem……. ክንደይ ትጽብቕ፡ ! …

      KS,,

    • Abi

      Hi Amanuel
      In case you forgot your brave heroes did not bring independence at all. They brought only slavery to a one time free and proud Eritreans.
      You are personally responsible for all the miseries Eritreans are facing now.

      • KBT

        Selamat abi
        Why you insulting our people ,denigrating our hero fighter
        Slavery is in your country land taken from the poor ,street adis abeba full of beggar ,
        Your country in desperate action is saling even BABY for god sake so spare us your arrogance
        No more in my country ,yesterday your soldiers used to butcher my people and now their little son
        Want to teach us about human dignity ,tell your TPLF their are committing crimes against humanity
        You guys can invade all the paltlks ,social media to influence or divide Eritrea it won’t happen
        tell your president therei is no ( wondimamach) it’s game over .
        .

        • Abi

          Hi KBT
          What hero are you talking about? You don’t know what hero means.
          I did not insult your people. I just told you that your people used to be free and proud. I used to associate Eritreans with success. Most of the successful people I knew were Eritreans. I also believe Eritreans suffered from a disease called affluenza (ጥጋብ).

          • KBT

            Selam abi
            Eritrean are successful everywhere
            Yes they serve in ethiopia but they don’t all eritrean and at the end of the day all their money, wealth was taken away and expel from at middle of the night with the cloth they wear, see if it was their country all this wouldn’t happen
            (Ye sow hager Hulu gizey ye sow hager )people gave to those kids and elders names like spy, traitors,
            They was even army veteran that served at the ogaden war with one eye, one leg,
            So keep give us name or try to seduce us lije hawey or whatever it’s over their is no another reunification, we know you guys working hard for that, it won’t happen

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            “see if it was their country all this wouldn’t happen”

            If you sing and dance to the tune of a free Eritrea and you double down with your vote, you cease to be Ethiopian(the mother ship). You can’t have your cake and eat it too, well may be possible for an Eritrean before the war, but not anymore. You got the freedom you so cried for, now suck it up bring me the Singapore dream.

    • Desbele

      Selam Emma,

      Your statement ” Hayat could not make an account of our ghedli more than those who were in it”
      That is what i hate most about Tegadelti. You say you were in it. But you never tell the truth. None of you wrote the true History of Ghedli. It was written by KIRAR. ቀቲልናዮ ፤ ደርዒምናዮ. No book.
      I was in 8th round Eritrean Slavery campaign. I witnessed first hand how truly a horror organization pfdj is. It cant be created overnight. It surely is extension of EPLF. I understand it is hard to accept if you were a member. But the truth is what you call a revolution ended being an enslavement project well executed. You always talk about solutions . But not all of us can talk about solution. Some, including me are interested on what went wrong to end up with such a disgusting product. Then comes a solution.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dearest Tzegreda,
    Thanks for the link. I really love the acting of the artist. She acted truly a nun except for her message. You see, the two are totally different and yet there is something even in this Abadit’s clip that I don’t support. Nuns, elders, faith leaders are the high moral end of a society. From that angle, they shouldn’t be politicized at all. They should be left to be our watch towers both for the rightousness to our worldly or heaven paths. It is just a matter of taste, not a matter of right or wrong on involving such people in a such tasks that physically involve blood and death.
    Saying that, you should know by now I am not a person who looks up to Tplf for the best standards. Some pople here including Mahmuday try to portray me as a Tplf admirer. I never bothered myself to address such allegations. But I never did because I always wanted to focus on Pfdj and IA. So, people are assuming it not getting it from me. The only distance I have always been willing to go as far as approving Tplf is that they are by far a lot better than Pfdj.
    Regarding what I said earlier about the play Eritrean artists performed for the independence celebration last year and repeated this year is totally a different issue what i have seen here in this clip. It is about the insult thrown on Amharu (or on Ethiopians, if we were to take Mahmuday’s interpretation). Mahmuday made it more interesting for the worse.
    “Why do you support the bombing of the Amhara people?”
    “No, it was not on the Amharu except the name; it was on all Ethiopians.”
    Okay, Tzegereda, so Aboy Hero was insulting Amharu/Ethiopians. Are you okay with that under any reasoning? It is going to be totally mind boggling if I see any reasonable Eritrean trying to justfy that. There is no reason or sane purpose to insult people as people are not your enemy, period. So Mahmuday saying stuff like “we were not aware of the distinction between Amhara and Ethiopia…”.is utterly silly. what?Are you kidding me! This was not heard from a Serraye peasant. It is from political artists under the direction of political leaders… pllitical leaders of the EPLF who were once AAU students, marxists exposed to so many international systems and propoganda work, and who were trying to collabrate with many Ethiopian political parties. Mahmuday is trying to sugarcat the ugly practice in defense of Eplf. And this is happening now, not even in the ghedli time. The purpose of rescreening such contents can only be to pass that history to the new generation. Is Amharu Bukharu what you want to pass? This is nonesense and sad. And how did Mahmuday tried spin it?
    “You know we didn’t know then who are Amharu.. who are Ethiopian..”
    “But you are making the Tegadelti look so ignorant. these are not peasants, these are tegadelti artists…”
    “Yes but artists can only reflect what was in the society…”
    “Artists can help misconceptions in the society be removed or corrected , not promoted them…”
    “Well, it was then… you know the Derg was committing attrocities on our society…
    “Mahmuday, this is being screened now, not then…”
    “Well, you know art products are supposed to reflect the flavor and context of the very time it was happening..”
    “Arts should promote peace, humanity, good relations, truth…not hate, past conflicts, old wounds…”
    “Well, But it not only Eplf, or Pfdj.. Tplf too were doing it…”.
    I have yet to hear a tplf song or drama insulting people. For example in this Abadit’s clip… she only says about her wishes of supporting the struggle, never was she using deregatory words against people. But even if she was, it won’t make the Eri artists doing same thing right. And since when has the Tplf become a role model for Pfdj? Pfdj: “if the tplf did it, it must be right!”= progress. Well, not really they are trying to use Tplf to escape the monopol of mistakes.
    The bottom line is Isayass and his regime use this kind of politics to effectively widen the wall of separation between the two peoples. They do it on purpose. That is why I said conergence with idiots and divergence with the people. They are wierdos. They are leavjng us a lasting problem that keep us bleeding and paying forever. That is the philosophy of making people eat bitterness, as Dan Connel would say.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Queen ,

      The more you post, The more attached I become….what a wonderful soul are you? Do you really admire that religious women ?

      “They should be left to be our watch towers both for the righteousness to our worldly or heaven paths. It is just a matter of taste, not a matter of right or wrong on involving such people in a such tasks that physically involve blood and death. ” now I can safely say you are a shining Star in this site ..

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes Hayata (Queen) !

        from my side I am doing fine .–I understand you completely.. but most the wise once din’t ..so try hard to convince them . Here now there Is big brother writing against..

        Let us unite what knowledge we have and convince them.

        KS…

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Hayat Adem,
      .
      I see you are still trying to corral M.S to the lane of civilian life, based on reason and common sense.
      I think you would be better off with Nitricc than M.S. They are cut from the same poisoned slab. It is just one is coarser and offensive to the sensibilities. M.S, with capacity for changing colors, and a little smother, carries the identical loaded baggage.
      .
      A long time ago someone near and dear to me said that …”she is capable or gifted to be able to go deep in the heart of someone, look around, and come out without touching blood.” It was said in Amharic and in essence it encapsulates my perception of this man, M.S.
      Heart, that is where the problem is located. I don’t think anyone can change it.
      He even claims to have “Amhara friends” (that was funny) to bolster his magnanimity, I presume. My feeling is, even he has “Amhara friends”, he is using them to get insights to modify his future mischiefs and assaults.
      A year or so ago when Awatistas were discussing infrastructure development projects in Ethiopia, in one of his comments slipped “soft targets” possibilities. That is his make up.
      .
      Haven’t we seen the spectacle recently. He was out with some known anarchists, sword drawn, when he thought Ethiopia was in trouble. He was out there on behalf of Oromo and weeping in public for the oppressed Amharas (the love of his life), I mean, how can you write a better script for this episode.
      Sorry for my diatribe.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Selam Kim Hanna,

        Sometimes I am forced to sympathize with the old warriors, who continue to ride the old horse, and charge at every garrison and individual, they think are the enemies of gedli. Gedli is their other self. They incorporated it at young age, and it is difficult to take it out of them now.

        The problem is that they are destroying every thinking mind, they are creating new recruits to continue the long arduous journey on the same itinerary that will never take the people to the promised land, and unwittingly, they are having the same effect as the regime, because they fail to see that the regime uses no different weapon and has similar narratives at the propaganda level, whenever it wants to win the hearts and minds of the people. This is the Achilles’ heel of the opposition, and why it cannot get off the ground.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Horizon,
          Though I have exchanged a couple of times before useful (be it agreeable or disagreeable) with you. From the posts I assumed you are one of our Ethiopian brothers (please correct me if I am wrong). But when I read this comments, I can’t help but be disappointed. One of the detestable things with something written or said is the author falling in the trap of generalization. This empties the idea or view intended to transmit of its value. You didn’t tell me who the old warriors who “destroying every thinking mind” are. This is huge assertion only due socio-psychological study could warrant. Of course you mean the all those who fought and struggled in the Eritrean liberation war. But, your statement has made no qualification of thousands and thousands who discharged duties to the cause they believed was just, and the day after those who survived just went on with their lives.

          As I tried to explain to our brother Kim Hanna sometime ago about whether we value ideas from our Ethiopian brothers, I stressed that wisdom has no nationality; it’s just human quality endowed by their creator. But the issue I am trying to alert you is judgmental ideas that lose the value of wisdom and good intention when they turn out to undone by gross generalizations. I do not thing people who defend their past, just as our Ethiopian brothers did, and still do, their peoples’ historical episodes like Adwa and role of patriots who had struggled against occupation of their country, were trying to destroy every thinking mind of Ethiopians.

          • Abi

            Hi Gashe Ismail
            This is Ras Abi the Ethiopian brother ( no confusion here)
            I agree with Horizon 1000%!!!
            I always believe the old tegadalay like you and Amanual Hidnrat are tirelessly working to inculcate gedli romanticism in the minds of the young generation. Sometimes I sense nervousness in your comments . You are nervous that the new generation might drift away from worshipping gedli. I read your panic everyday everywhere.

          • Ismail AA

            Gashe abi,
            You can agree a million% when the one who represents your view backs his views with facts. In fact, you have muddied Horizons gross generalization even more by mentioning names without qualifying with evidences that “Amanual Hidnrat (sic) and I ” are tirelessly working to inculcate gedli romanticism in the minds of the young generation.” Some of our Ethiopian brothers tend to jump on bandwagon with some Eritreans who for their own reasons indulge in bashing the Eritrean struggle.
            About the nervousness you claim to have sensed in my comments, I did not know you are also versed in reading and writing psychology. Opining that the Eritrea’s young generation worship the liberation struggle is flagrant generalization. History is never worshiped; it’s respected for its value.
            I hope you had classes on the history of your country. I would surmise no teacher had ever told you to worship the events of the Battle of Adwa. He might have taught you the events as they unfolded; certainly not to romanticize them.

          • Dear Ismail AA,

            It is a valid fact that we might not have a similar opinion, because we are looking at the same things from a different perspective. As much as I can understand, gedli (mainly an armed struggle), accomplished its mission in 1991, which was the independence of eritrea, and as an armed struggle, it should not have a place in a civilian life.

            It cannot be a panacea. Making gedli the center of eritrean life even today as we speak (a 20th century prescription), is equivalent to using an old recipe for a completely new problem of the 21st century, which is the absence of peace and economic development for eritrea and the whole region. When gedli is brought to explain or rationalize internal and external problems (more than 25 yrs after eritrean independence), and it becomes the foundation for eritrea’s internal and external policies, not only for the regime and even for the opposition, too, it becomes a problem rather than a solution.

            May be not everyone, but it seems that those who participated in gedli are the ones who do not accept any level of doubt and criticism concerning gedli, and they want to use it to solve present-day problems. It has not helped up to now, and most probably, the same formula is not going to help if continued into the future, and nobody knows the consequences for the whole region.

            No need really to defend gedli, because history has given its verdict, as much as its accomplishment is concerned. The point is that it should be put to rest, and it should not control the day to day politics and policies, because, I think that it is no more the right solution.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Horizon,
            Still standing to be corrected whether my assumption of your being Ethiopian or not, I did not read anything in your comments why you thought that those you described as “old warriors” are out to kill “”every thinking mind”. If you are indeed an Ethiopian brother, you sound to be Eritrean more than Eritreans to the extent you seem not to be worried of being too judgmental. For the rest, neither I nor any in this forum have problem with voicing your opinion about things you read. Avoiding blanket generalization is a mark of decency.
            Thanks for engaging, anyway.

    • Tzigereda

      Selam Hayat,
      Redarding the ” menekuseyto, adey Abadit” and ” the elder eritrean man”, you missed my message incorporated in the last sentence, I have no doubt she/ he would have loved to have an average normal life.
      One major error from what you wrote is “…This was not heard from a Serraye peasant. It is from political artists under the direction of political leaders… pllitical leaders of the EPLF who were once AAU students, marxists exposed to so many international systems and propoganda work, and who were trying to collabrate with many Ethiopian political parties.” Actually it was the other way round…the gebar hizbi used to talk about ” the amharas”, and the political leaders and tegadlo were trying to teach those hafash that not the Ethiopian ( Amhara) people but those at the helm were the enemies of the Eritrean people. DibliQliQ of hearsay leads only to confusion of oneself and adds no value.

  • blink

    Dear All
    Beyond the article above , the comment below by some weyane propagandist is beyond any measure and fruitless to their goal. They can use BEVOMIT and BEPISS to Eritreans formidable opposition to Ethiopians ,yet nothing will happen. What they do is repeatedly bescumber their long held hate. Eritrea being a country is their COCCYDYNIA that they can’t tolerate.

    They lie from start to end and assume we accepted their lies as truth. Look at sahay he said ” dergi was protecting Eritreans .” Look at his queen degrading the fighters day in day out. Look at others , we can go on and on.Some of them can be JOBBERNOWL but do we have to move beyond their level of CRETINISM, because let’s not forget who said what.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Friends,
    Mahmuday is portraying me as if I’m some kind of ghedlophobia. I have no phobia of anything, ghedli included. In fact there are many stories from ghedli that fascinate me a lot. But i try to see the bigger picture of ghedli as a social project. As such, I really want to measure the intentions, the sacrifices and the real benefits by and from. Within that framework, at least byhind sight, I see a lot of dishonesty in the intentions, i see too heavy sacrifice burdening the shoulders of our society for long, I see born warlords out of it and our society pushed down to misery.
    People like Mahmuday paid dearly to realize the goals and uphold the ideals of ghedli. They paid their youth. They paid their friends. It is understandable that they go defensive instantly when ever such projects dearest to them is criticized. For me, the basic characters of EPLF and PFDJ cannot be any different in essence from each other. If they were, many of the teghadelti would go one way and the leadership of PFDJ, the other way. The only difference between the two is not between the two as such but between the different public expectations and perceptions tagged towards the two. The public sees EPLF generously and justifies the excesses of EPLF as a matter of necessity to secure independence. The public can never justify the excesses of PFDJ as an acceptable way to build Eritrea. But PFDJ is EPLF. And it seems a natural process for the tegadelti to take their time to walk out of denial and accept the vanity of so much sacrifice to end up this way. That is why sometimes we hear them saying that ghedli was meant to conclude one phase and it is up to the 2nd phase to go beyond independence. This kind of reasoning comes out of the instinctive gut feeling to defend ghedli by dis-aggregation. The launch of ghedli was not out of a hate of Ethiopia. It was out of a hate towards the Ethiopian system, a system which was described by Eritrean intellectuals as backward and unfair to Eritrea part of, for Eritrea then perceived to be in a better standing of modernity. So ghedli was launched to protect and restore that modernity. There would never be any reasonable teghadalai who would will to pay his life for just only independence. Every teghadalai was told and assured about a better Eritrea, post independence. Now that many tegadelti gave their life believing that promise, you cannot change the post. We may not be able to give them the promised Eritrea but we owe it to them to keep the authenticity of the promise. Do not dilute the promise. That will be a double betrayal. The promise was to remove Derg and start building Eritrea. They are one package, not separate.
    But then the enlightening process will progress in a slow process and pace for many of the tegadelties. Some will do it faster, some will take time for the reality to sink in. It is like an alien chemical touching your skin for the first time to give you a painful irritation and experience. Later on, your skins will develop adaptability. It is understandable when some folks are very sensitive. But, change has always one overriding direction and everyone, sooner or later, will inevitably join the new normal.
    The essence remains the same. And then why do I think IA and his PFDJ are so weirdo even by the EPLF standard? Look what he said recently depicting Eritreans as askaris all over East Africa. Who would say that about his own people?! If this is not soiling the history of Eritreans, tell me what can be one! Why does this guy go to such length to insult Eritreans and everyone else? Very recently, he gave an interview to two guys who said the represented a media called OMN (never heard or know of it before). In the middle of hos long monologue, he said:
    “I will tell one thing a prominent Ethiopian intellectual told me once. I never shared this before (some forced and mockery smile on his face as he said this). That prominent Ethiopian asked me: ‘why did you put monkeys into the Ethiopian palace? Palaces belong to the lions, not to the monkeys.” I am told such exchanges may have happened in the early 2000s with a late Ethiopian scientist who used to work for NASA and who was frequenting visits to Asmara then.
    Regardless, he is a head of state, for God’s sake. Even if you hear it from a grinch, you would still find it offensively substandard. I was processing not the words but the purpose of the message he was trying to carry through those words. Isayass is really too dark even for a political comedy. Let’s assume the unlikely that peace and normalization has become restored between the EPRDF and PFDJ leaders while Isayass is in power. How is going to look to them straight with such nonsense and zero-purpose utterances?
    This man erects a monument for Pushkin who may have no or little connection with Eritrea, had done nothing for Eritrea.. refuses burial places for his comrades who sacrificed with him, who served him.. and dismantles another monument of Alula* in Dogali, a historical battle ground which is an authenticate Eritrean history because at least it was a war theater that took place in Eritrea if nothing else… and then fights with wedi Efrem for badmouthing Alula..
    Mahmuday, i think your man is a weirdo salad!
    ———-
    Alula was a well admirred military strategist and tactician and a well like administrator of Hamassien

    • G. Gebru

      Dear Hayat,
      God bless your fasting.
      The way you argue and present your argument is excellent that have to be appriciated.
      Thanks.

    • Abi

      Hi The Queen
      Nobody can dismantle the statue of Alula. It is erected in our hearts forever!!!!!!!
      እናት ወለደች አሉላን!!!!

      • Selam Abi,

        Ras Alula is honored by people like Alula Pankhurst, and his name and fame will live forever. These are people who appreciates and respect real heroes when they see one. Their respect is the product of their deep and longterm​ research.

        • Abi

          Hi Horizon
          “ነብይ በአገሩ አይከበርም”
          ራሥ አሉላ ተዋርደው እንደ እድሪስ አዋተ አይነት ለፋሽስት ያደረ ሽፍታ የሚወደስበት ዘመን ላይ ደርሰናል::

    • Sahay Erican

      Dearest Queen,

      One small correction about Alula the Great…the greatest general in the history of the Habesha land. He was not the administrator of Hamassien. He was the governor of the entire highland Eritrea including the eastern part down to the desert planes.

      Great comment as usual, but I have small reservations. Your effort to please the barbaric gedli romantics is not paying off. Gedli was fought with the blood and material of the defenseless highland of Eritreans. Children and bridegrooms were snatched in the middle of the night from their beds and used as cannon fodders in their thousands. Let us tell nothing but the truth when it comes to the barbaric history of gedli. Gedli was not about liberating the Eritrean people.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Hayat,

      First let me repeat what I wrote a couple of times in this forum if you won’t find me boring. Your posts are among the ones I read and sometimes re-read. This is because I find them thought provoking; they let the reader ask questions, which, I think, is key merit of good writers, regardless whether one agrees or disagrees with them.

      As I tried to comment before, I notice that “ghedli” is being used as all embracing term. We know that the process had included several actors or formations. But the sense of what is written and argued is about “promise” betrayed without specifying the culprit. The others are innocent until proven guilty. Wittingly or otherwise, there is gross generalization that affronts logic. The issue is that we do not really know whether any of the other actors in the armed struggle era would have taken the same path as the PFDJ.

      The next point, I noted is that the cause of the armed struggle was not the hate of the Ethiopian people. That is valid point because no people hate another though there could be cultural or folk stereotypes here and there. Political movements are initiated by the elite for causes they believe to be just. The people remain uninvolved until they get mobilized. This is universal. I never read or heard the ordinary populace were consulted before launching an armed or even pacific revolution for a cause. Eritrean revolution could not have been an exception. The elites take the lead and the people follow if they buy the cause and the promises they advocate. It was true with the Derg, the EPRDF or any of the movements elsewhere.

      Before I close these passing remarks, allow me to make two points: The one that some bigoted persons feel vindicated and console their passions by proxy when sharp debaters like you take up the challenge and uninhibitedly express their views. The next point is about Alula and role. I hope you have read his biography by prof. Erlich Haggai. If you did, you wouldn’t have missed the outrages and havoc his harvest season raids in the lowlands, especially in Bogos, that impoverished the already poor peasants. History has curious aspects: It makes someone’s scourge another’s hero.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi The Great Ismail,
        Great points again. And thank you. Comments such as yours, be them complements or disagreements, are what I usually use as my sanity meter if I am making sense or not; if I have to go and check my facts and reasons for reconsideration or not. I have peopke here whom I use for different quality assurances without their knowledge. I have a list of 5 people from Awatista. If I were X or Y, I could have included this…could gave seen this differently… could have rewritten this more beautifully.., could have felt and defended it this way.. etc
        I haven’t read Haggai. I have seen the book somewhere and I shall find it. I have read others but what I said above about Alula comes from Traveski.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Ismail,
        According to “The Hamasien: A Social Survey” that came out in 1944 in Trevaski papers, in Rhodes Library in pages 139-140 recorded a survey results made by the British Administration and concluded the following:
        “One and all confirm that Ras Alula [the last Ethiopian appointed governor before the Italian occupation of Eritrea] was a just ruler, well loved by the people, and that at no time in its history has the Hamasien been so tranquil or free from the interminable disputes which are today the characteristic features of its daily life.”

        • Ismail AA

          Dearest Hayat,

          I appreciate that you could spare time to revisit your source; that is a mark of the diligence of following things up in the pursuit of truth.

          I am aware about the quote you have posted. Trevaski and his “Eritrea: A colony in Transition” 1941-1952 was almost our bible for us young Eritreans in the 60s and 70s. But later on, exposure to more information through education and related readings had taught me that not all what was accepted at face value were built on proper academic research.

          Much of the material in Trevaski’s accounts was based on oral information, and by and large, centered in the area of Hamassien where Alula forces were garrisoned. You can imagine the informants Trevaskis could have encountered at the time: Not the ordinary farming inhabitants but the dignitaries who were in position of conversing with him. Moreover, it is clear that Trevaski did not make survey of the people in the lowland areas like Bogu to find out what they thought about Ras Alula. Those areas were not really within the area of his control per se. The Egyptian had exercised suzerainty over the domain though they were weak to defend the peasants that were impoverished by paying tributes to them and to Alula through raids that were launched periodically during harvest seasons mainly for the aim of collecting of revenues and supplies for his garrison in Hamassien.

          According to Haggai, we learn that excesses were committed by Alula’s forces. Erlich Haggai’s biography of Alula was a product of professional historian’s research. In my opinion, thus, appraised for accuracy and factual veracity, it is much authoritative than Trevaskis.

          • Hayat Adem

            The Great Ismail,
            I will read Haggai on Alula for sure and come to those versions you are sharing. The Survey and the conclusin about the survey was tied to the Hamasien area. But even if the survey was restricted to only the Hamasien areas, it still stands the test at least in that level. Can we at least accept the assertion and testimony given for the Hamasien area until we find more authoritative account contradicting it?

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,
            Thanks for your prompt comments.
            The point we are discussing is about whether or not what you are quoting is correct or not, which could be checked and verified. Until then, the those accounts will just remain; and the onus of accepting them or rejecting them lies in the domain of a reader’s and interest context.
            The point I was trying to make is that according to later research, Alula’s presence at the garrison in the outskirts of what grew as Asmara was not all peace, justice and roses. There were also peasants who suffered from raids of his soldiers in the areas we have mentioned. During those, and post Italian political periods, the stakes were so contentious that it’s hard to separate facts from propaganda.

          • Hayat Adem

            The Great Ismail,
            Generally agreable. But the survey was conducted for Hamasaien and they were done by the Admistration not by Trevaski. The results and the conclusions made of that were about Hamasien. Then what you brought to question Alula’s heavy handedness adminstration was on the lowlands and basing your evidence on Haggai’s. Trevaski is a witness documntarist of the time. Haggai’s research is of recent and comes with advantage and disadvantage with time proximity. If Haggai said something about Alula that contradicts Trevask’s account of Alula and the Hamassien people, let me hear it. And also, you haven’t provide references about your doubts and questions of other better authorities if they established anything on the flaws of the methodologies applied by Trevaski.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,

            It seems to me we are discussing separate issues in two theatres: Hamasein and the Bogu area in the western mid-lowland regions, which, I wrote, were not under Alula because the Egyptians had administrative control there.

            What you have given us applied to Hamasein, which the Alula garrison controlled. Thus, my comments have intent to challenge the veracity or otherwise of the accounts Trevaskis had collected. What I know as former student of history is that Trevaskis’ account was based mostly on oral information, and not painstaking research as that of the historian, Erlich Haggai. After all, Trevaskis was part of the British Military Adminstration, and was never an independent researcher for the sake of it. He had just recorded his own diary on the side of his official function, which were later compiled into little book that became kind of a must read as soource of information to young Eritreans who sought information about the political and legal status of their country’s cause.

            The point I should reiterate is that these cordial exchanges in this forum do not really size up to procuring historical evidences for matters we raise as side issues while commenting on content specific threads. The issue is about how post Alula Eritreans recall his presence in retrospect.

            The image of his time among our people in Hamasien was quite different from the way our people remember him in the areas that were subjected to his seasonal raids. By the way, parts of the same regions also suffered similar raids before during the so called Era of the Princes in Eritrea. Ras Wube is also remembered as epitome of cruelty and harshness.

          • Hayat Adem

            The Great Ismail,
            I thought I got your points. We have two places and two accounts here as related to Alula. For the Bogu area and Alula, I promise to inquire and read further to know more about the real acts and characters of Alula there. I can even go more than that and assume what you are telling me about him in Bogu to be true until i get something else that disproves it in my future research. This is about Bogu or the lowland areas as it relates to Alula. Lets close it here and we shall not go back there and mix it with others.
            The survey in Trevasks’ account is about Hamasuen and Alula. It conclusively shows the good side and likeability of Alula. Now either tell me if you have read or known something different about this particular account, that is Alula and the Hamasien or let us stay with it until we find something to disprove it. You can’t say Hamassien was a garrison in its entierty and this is a survey made after the Italians ruled it for over 50 yrs. Trevaski is accepted as a reference by many historians for the accounts he published so i am afraid you need more evidentiary stuff than simply discounting him and his published book just personally.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,

            Sorry for belated response; had trouble with Disqus reload for a day and half.

            On Alula’s role in the regions of Bogu and other areas of the Eritrean western lowlands, I cordially agree with your suggestion, wishing you good luck with tine to spare to do your reading. Incidentally, moreover, I can only thank you for the token of goodwill in lending me the benefit of doubt pending your findings in future. Your nobility and character are reciprocated. It is indeed a decent way of halting inconclusive that call for more information for one side in the discussion as in your case.

            Pertaining to how our people in Hamassein remember Ras Alula, I should repeat that I did not
            actually challenge the conclusions the survey you had consulted had narrated. Besides, I never wrote Trevaskis’ narrative is entirely obsolete to the extent that one could discount it. I think in one of our exchanges on this issue I noted that once upon a time his little book was a kind of bible for the youth of my generation. It was so popular and rare source of information that there was hardly any among us who did not know about it. I agree with you that the book is still consulted in spite of the time it was published.

            But, the point I tried to share my views with you was that Alula’s story was not exalted in
            the lowlands as the survey of Hamassein you had consulted narrated. In the lowlands Alula is remembered with bitterness due the miseries and havoc his seasonal raids had caused. Actually, his raiding campaigns for revenues and supplies reached the Gash Basin and environs of Kassala
            regions. Like in other places of imperial Ethiopia, Alula’s troops were not wage earning soldiers paid from central imperial coffers. They survived on food supplies collected from peasants as revenues in controlled area and through periodic raid in regions outside direct control.

            Lastly, let me add that Alula’s the military garrison was posted at an ordinary traditional village which later expanded and developed by the Italian rulers to become the city of Asmara. Thus, the garrison was not interchangeable with the larger region of Hamassein. The Ethiopian imperial monarchs like the Yohannes IV referred to the Eritrea’s highland region as Hamassein.
            Thank you for engaging.

          • blink

            Dear Mr Ismail
            Who is alula to Eritreans?? Who did he serve? The people of Eritrea ?? He is and was a murderer that is what he is. The son of Engda Eqube is nothing to Eritreans. We Eritreans has nothing good from Ethiopians. Mention one good thing that happened to Eritreans by Ethiopian leaders ??? You can bring none and your chameleon queen has none. The man was a power hungry like the current sons , he divorced his wife of two children and married to a high class woman. The power hungry man was also sent to remove rad weldu Michael of hamassien , so

            Every problem we have was and is connected to Ethiopians .

          • Desbele

            Selam,

            We are enjoying a civilized exchange of ideas between Ismail and Hayat.
            blink, Abi,Abraham,MS… ኣጽሚምኩምና..If it is not your level please take a break and learn from the two.

          • blink

            Dear Desbele

            Who are these you saying “we” ? Are you suggesting you are all the other people?

            I see Hayat as an outspoken lair and chameleon in character. Her veracity is equal to a thief who try to cook lunch in a house he is robbing. The levels may be different but I think her level is only good to lairs. If you are one of them I don’t think I can guarantee that to be involved. I see that she have set aside this special time to humiliate herself in public.

            I don’t think you are bad like her. You just have a bad luck when thinking about this.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Hayat Adem,
      Now I see, what Mahmuday observed: you’re trying to sugarcoat your venomous anti-Eritrean revolution propaganda by mixing it with what most Eritreans agree on; namely the wierdo DIA’s polcies that have caused so much misery on the Eritrean people. You wrote:
      The launch of ghedli was not out of a hate of Ethiopia. It was out of a hate towards the Ethiopian system, a system which was described by Eritrean intellectuals as backward and unfair to Eritrea to be part of, for Eritrea then perceived to be in a better standing of modernity. So ghedli was launched to protect and restore that modernity”; something completely false.
      I want to start right from the beginning; Ethiopia had no business in Eritrea whatsoever after the Italians were defeated and left Eritrea. Eritrea deserved complete unconditional independence just like the other Italian colonies like Libya. But after HS was carried back to power by the British, he wanted more; and he embarked on the unholy business of illegally getting something that didn’t belong to him -Eritrea. This very act, and the subsequent destructive actions of the king in collusion with his super power masters as well as some Eritrean sellouts was the root cause of the Eritrean revolution.

      • blink

        Dear Abraham
        What she do is her main asset and many people in this forum assumed that she is saying to debate on critical importance. I find her comments to be Rodomontade. That is it .

      • Abi

        Hi Abraham
        Your useless gedli was based on two fundamental issues: Hate of Amharas for the Highlanders, and hate of Christian kingdom for the lowlanders. That is all. Look where your hate got you? To extinction.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Abi, of course, our Great Revolution was ‘useless’ mildly said as seen from the perspective of an Amhara chauvinist like you. But to tell you frankly, Eritreans’ as well as Tigriyans’ (later on joined by other anti-Derg Ethiopians) Revolution routed the Derg and brought realtive peace, stability, to our region. In particular Ethiopia has been showing promising economic renaissance in the last decade never seen in its history. Eritrea currently finds itself trapped in a tyrannical regime; but just the way they fought off foreign oppressors, the Eritreans are eventually going to rid themselves of their internal oppressors as well.
          PS. Eritreans do not have malice or hate, neither towards each other nor to our Ethiopian or other neighbors. They were living in peace with each other, until your greedy king meddled in their internal affairs seeking to get something that didn’t belong to his empire.

          • Sahay Erican

            Dear Abraham,

            You claimed that Eritreans and Ethiopians were living in peace with each other without specifying an important factor: time frame. Would you care to tell us when that peaceful period was? Is it during the fascistic Italian colony, the great Alula’s period defending the highland Eritreans, during the jihad war of the Egyptians or during the barbaric Turkish reign?

            You also said that Eritreans do not have malice or hate towards each other. If that is the case, why is there so much hatred and friction within the 40+ opposition organizations? Are you also aware how much hate is spewed by the Ismailos and salihos of this website towards or great union members of the 1940s and 1950s? The only crime of the union fathers and mothers of highland Eritrea was that they envisioned a lasting peace and property for their future generations. They fought against the fanatical Islamists (Rabita Islamya) who discounted them as a minority of less than 25% of the Eritrean population. I hope you are familiar with the speech of Sheik/Imam Ibrahim Sultan at the Headquarters of the United Nations, in New York.

            Please stop regurgitating the falsified narratives of the barbaric gedli romantics.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Sahay Erican, yes, I would without doubt, claim that Eritreans of the various faiths lived side by side for centuries without going on each others’ throats as is often seen in the Third world. If there were some discords, they were instigated or influenced by foreigners like those you cited. By the same token, I consider the Eritrean unionists of the 1940’s and 50’s were the ones who challenged the peaceful co-existence of our people by colluding with and serving the interests of the Ethiopians. As I said in my earlier post, Ethiopia had no business in Eritrea after the exit of the Italians. Just like other African nation states whose borders were carved out by the European colonizers; Eritrea’s borders had also to be respected and the people granted their full Independece, eventually, left alone to determine their fate.
            I agree that there is a good deal of mistrust among some constituents of our people, particularly taking into account what transpired during our Revolution and the post-Independece authoritarian rule; but still I wouldn’t describe it as ‘hate’ or ‘malice’.
            You wrote, “Are you also aware how much hate is spewed by the Ismailos and salihos of this website towards or great union members of the 1940s and 1960s?”; those unionists may be great to you, but not to me. And I’ve not seen any of the decent people you mentioned spew hatred against any part of our society, unless criticising is going to be interpreted as ‘hate’.

        • Mez

          Dear Abi,

          The two factors you mentioned were there for Millenia; hence they sha’nt be factors to ignite a war of this magnitude.

          I would think absence of comprehension, (quazi absence of intellectual capabilities) are the main reasons for the 50 year war like history of Eritrea.
          Thanks

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Abraham,
        I will ignore some of the things you said about me and focus on only the valid points you raised. If you agree with me on the weirdo nature of IA’s current policies, that is good enough for me. Agreeing on history is hardly an easy thing. We can try but some of them are a matter of perspectives. Some of the misunderstandings may have to do with the many falsehoods we have heard and read growing up. For God’s sake stop saying stuff that never help us get anywhere closer. I am just expressing my views and the facts as reported and the way i perceive them.
        You said: “Ethiopia had no business in Eritrea whatsoever after the Italians were defeated and left Eritrea.” We are all familiar with that version, aren’t we? But try to consider other versions as well. For example, a journalist for The Times and Daily Telegraph, George Steer (i think he was also working for the British gvt) was following the events of the region then. He published a book titled Sealed and Delivered. From my faint memory,, i think this book was mentioned here in the forum by one prominent Awatista a couple of years ago. In this book on a number of pages, you would read a detailed account of events and emotions in the Eritrea then.
        There were Ethiopian leaflets being dropped from the sky in many of the Italian occupied parts of Eritrea, some of the leaflets landed around Keren. The writer captured the content of the leaflet and the reactions from the people in the Keren area then. The leaflet said, “The time has come for you to fight for your own King and your own Flag [Ethiopian king and flag], because people without a flag have no life at all.” And how did the Kerenites received the leaflet and the message when it landed in their streets and backyards? Lets go back to George :”Eritreans were seen to kiss the seal, press it to their foreheads and weep.” The Italians then instituted death penalty for anyone discovered with these papers. That harsh law didn’t restrain Eritreans. The exodus of Eritreans from Italy to the British camp was dramatic after Ethiopia started massive propaganda of “I am coming to you and you are coming to me.” Some 6000 Eritrean askaris passed over to the British side on the Keren front alone, “waving the pamphlets as a passport.”
        In 1942, an Eritrean bishop by the name, Abuna Marqos, during the celebration of Epiphany said:
        ” A male child is brought into the Church forty days after it has been born and a female child is brought eighty days after birth. Names are then given to them. When the child cries, its mother gives it milk and it stops crying as soon as she lifts it to her breast. But you my people, have you a name? yes, you have a mother and you must come to know her as she already knows you.” You will find these words in Trevaskis’ book on page 60 where he also pointed The British Administration was blaming the Church for irredentism.
        The natural ties with Ethiopia were not as bad as what we are told now about them. There were adequate longings for Ethiopia by Eritreans. History is history. So you can’t say: “Ethiopia had no business in Eritrea whatsoever after the Italians were defeated and left Eritrea.”
        However, the story now is so different. We can always stay with the truth and our independence. We don’t have to go back to Ethiopia. And it is possible to build Eritrea to a success story of its own as a nation. But that doesn’t mean we always have to fight history and promote animosity with our sisters and brothers in Ethiopia. First of all, there is no need for that. 2nd of all, doing so wouldn’t help Eritrea. 3rd of all, these are being fed to our psyche constantly by our current rulers so that we don’t pay attention to how they are destroying the country and the people.

        • Desbele

          ከመይ ጸባ ስተይ፤ጸባን ንዶ ኣስተክና

      • MS

        Ahlen AbrahamH
        What perplexes me is the audacity of Hayat and her thin team in trying to control and influence the way Eritreans think about their experience. It’s even more painful when that happens in a patriotic Eritrean forum. Look how she is twisting the word Amharu. It’s clear she is not addressing Eritreans. Luckily, most Eritrean discussants here know Eritrean and to some extent Ethiopian societies.
        If you listen to veteran TPLF tegadelti, that is how they describe Ethiopian army, Amharu. She knows that. So, my message is this: Dear Hayat, if we want to play it dirty, your closet stinks more than our.
        Her audacity has no limits. She is trying to lecture, worse, overbear the IsmailAA, a man who knows Eritrea, its history and social values, including linguistic nuances, inside out. Wow!!

      • Desbele

        ዓገብ ኣብረሃም። Thanks to YG!! ካርታዊ መንነት ተጎልቢብካ ኣለኻ። ጥልያን ካርታ ስለዝሰኣለልካስ …?
        HS …illegally ?? Please read a true historian Tekeste Negash. He convincingly has documented the history of how the undoing of the federation was the work of Eritreans themselves than Ethiopians.
        And you said “Some Eritrean sellouts…” You labled 50% of the Eritrean population sellouts…huh.
        By the way most of the independent bloc at that time was a make of the British. Again, read Tekeste.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Desbele,

          You should also read the book by Reta “yertra guday”.

          Did Eritreans had a referendum to abandon the federation and chose union with Ethiopia?

          Did the Eritrean parliament under the leadership of Asfaha Woldemichael and his right hand Qeshi Dimetros had the mandate to dissolve the parliament?

          Do you know how many times the violated the constitution?

          yes, they were sellout who do not know the limit of the power and the mandate the people have given to them.

          Berhe

    • Robel Cali

      Hi Hayat Adem

      Why did you, as an Ethiopian Christian woman, name yourself Hayat (Tigre for Lion) Adem (Arabic version of Adam)? Identity crisis? Why not keep it real and call yourself Adanech Haliemariam?

      Also, why are you lecturing Eritreans about a barbaric warlord such as Alula who committed genocide against the Kunama and Nara (he killed 2/3rds of them) and was despised by Kebessa people as someone we should admire? He was loathed and was a brutal killer.

    • kazanchis

      Hi Hayat,
      Brilliant! Kudos to your bravery!

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Folks, not related with the article, but I think the recent diplomatic crisis in the Arab Gulf region is instigated by the mad dog Trump during his recent visit to the region. As a matter of fact, the evil man even tried to score some political card and credit for the Arab states’ isolation of Qatar accusing the tiny state for supporting terrorism and destabilizing the region. Saudi Arabia accusing another state for sponsing terrorism and getting endorsement of Trump for that? How lopsided and how crooked could Trump be for having such an opinion? I think, the real target in all this is Iran; Trump is against the nuclear deal with Iran and he wants to provoke regional conflict via his subordinates, the Saudis in order to undo the deal. If the Saudis get the balls and get lured by Trump to engage in a conflict with the mighty Iran; that would be a conflict that would ultimately destroy this center of evil that Saudi is. In my opinion, Saudi Arabia is the source of all terrorism associated with extremist ‘islamic’ fanatists. Saudi Arabia is no match for Iran, both in terms of scientific advancement and participatory gov. Even there is no any Arab country in the region which has a fraction of the democratic system of gov as Iran.

    • Kebessa

      Selam Abraham,
      I wonder what the Eritrean gov’s position is in this. Yemane G/Meskel’s twitter has a statement about it, or is it about forged document or something, I don’t know as it’s in Arabic. But the interesting thing is how will Qatar’s trouble affect whatever is left of their mediation effort of the Eri-Djibouti conflict. For one thing, little Djibouty has sided against the Qataris. I have a feeling PFDJ will soon follow suit as it did against Iran not too long ago.
      I think Al Jazeera is the main reason the Arab dictators are acting insane. Plus, Qatar is relatively more open than the others in the region, not only on the mediawise but also women treatment and other social aspects. There is deep resentment by the Saudis and other bullies in the region against little Qatar (also probably them hosting world cup in 5 years too). I hope the blockade is lifted soon. They don’t deserve it.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Kebessa, I think this Gulf crissis is eventually going to end by Qatar caving in the demands of its much larger neighbor Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the Arab countries that have cut ties with it. The status quo may be sustainable, at least economically; Qatar is very rich and its most important oil and gas trade is by sea But its competence in the global economy is going to hurt because of the various blockades, esp. the airspace ban by all the states whose airspace surrounds it. The upcoming world cup in 2022 in Qatar could also suffer grately as you stated. So le’t hope the mediation efforts by the Kuwaitis gives fruit and the sister countries resolve thier dispute peacefully.
        You might have heard it already, but Eritrea has allegedly rejected calls made to it by Saudi Arabia and UAE to cut ties with Qatar. The website of Al-jazeera English states:

        4:20am – Saturday, June 10 – Eritrea rejects severing Qatar ties
        Eritrea declined a request by Saudi Arabia and the UAE to cut diplomatic ties with Qatar.
        The African nation’s foreign ministry said in a statement it “rejected” the demand to cut ties “with brother Doha”.
        It said Eritrea had “strong ties with the brother people of Qatar”, and it was “impossible to cut ties”.

        • blink

          Dear Abraham
          The Aljezeera statement is fake news. As the ministry of information tweeter is saying to the opposite of this aljazeera news.
          The Saudi and UAE can demand from the dictator absolute loyalty and make him distance from Qatar.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear blink, thanks for the clarification, but it surprises me the State owned Al-Jazeera website carried that “fake news” without verifying its authenticity. The PFDJ regime may not give an explanation on how its reaction would be to current events in the Arab Gulf in its official news media. You know according to DIA the Eritrean people do not deserve to know these kinds of information like treaties of military bases, deployment of foreign troops on Eritrean soil, proceeds from mining activities, even disputes with other nation/Djibouti are not told to the people.

          • blink

            Dear Abraham
            Yes the dictator and his cronies don’t bother to inform the public and that’s what dictators do.

            Aljazeera sometimes do that ,infact they have done so many fake news but who care, they are big in the ME. What the dictator can do is be with the highest bidder, UAE has a fundamental decision when it comes to Eritrea. They have been on the side of Eritreans even when many countries were against our revolution. Even PLO were against Eritreans yet UAE remained a trusted ally of the Eritreans people’s aspirations. Qatar is also a sole carrier of the dictator but I think their relationship is losing it’s ground . I don’t think Eritrean has anything to do with the problem, this current problem has been fuming for a long period of time.

            Let’s hope the Qatar’s gives in easily, the American king is taking diplomacy on his tweeter and who knows what he can do next. We all know Saudi wuhabism is the main problem ,yet they hold the chair of gold and unjustifiable claim.

        • Mez

          Dear Abraham,

          It seems within the sun Arab countries 1) the Muslim brother hood political movement is more and more attracted toward Qatar, 2) the rest to the KSA ideology.

          The #1 political current seems to accommodate (probably tactically) the Iranians.

          I see here a second war front being formulated against KSA from another geographic location.

          If you ask me this breaking of relation with Qatar is a big mistake calculation,on the long run, from the KSA side.
          Thanks

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Mez, the ongoing Arab crisis is indeed very intricate and quite difficult to grasp. There are various issues and actors involved: Turkey, for example, has always sided with the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, so did Qatar. This is the major sticking point in the relations between Egypt and the two countries. In addition, Qatar, despite its size, wants to follow somewhat independent foreign policy than its much larger neighbor Saudi Arabia, and other neighbors. I think Qatar wants to keep a strong Iran in order to secure the balance of power in the Arab Gulf; they are probably very scared of a super strong Saudi Arabia, which happens to be very conservative in relation to Qatar.
            Today I could read “Iran sends five planes of vegetables to help Qatar after five Arab nations cut ties over ‘extremism’ link”, a heart-warming news I should say.

  • blink

    Dear Abi and Horizon
    You have to understand that I’m not insulting you I’m describing you.
    You guys are trying your best and yet not enough. So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journey. You guys are special,infact you all are doing endless effort for long time.

    I understand it is a very hard work, sometimes I sympathize with your queen.

    • Selam blink,

      Don’t you people think that you’re getting irrational when you’re so much disturbed by what one person says? Should you be worried so much, as if eritrean independence is so fragile or the legacy of gedli could easily be undermined, if someone looks at both critically?
      Because you mentioned the queen, of course I am not speaking in her defence, for none can do it better than herself. From what I understand, she is not against eritrean independence or gedli, but she looks at both with a critical eye, as any rational person would do. If I am not mistaken, she is asking, how long should eritreans continue to ride the ‘gedli’ horse, when it has already accomplished its mission, with all its controversies, whether one likes it or not. Eritrea is in the days after gedli, a new chapter has opened, and eritreans should stop dwelling in the pre-independence era of gedli, and start working for the future. What is wrong with this viewpoint? If this is her point, nothing is indeed divine or untouchable in this world, and everything could be criticized and supported accordingly. This does not mean denying all together. If it is about how dare you say anything to the opposite, that is something else.
      As much as ethiopians are concerned, they believe that independent eritrea is the best solution for ethiopia, too. It is anathema to repeat past mistakes.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Horizon,,,

        you have said it perfectly ..she is right she has to see it Just like she said… also– right that doesn’t mean she is not optimistic about our struggle… you can ask me what (Queen’s) intention is …

        I will never fail .. what I am saying is that ..Romantic Gedli (EPLF AND ELF ) are out of the box where my self and you are now ..they are not qualifies to say something about both Eritrea and Ethiopia ..

      • blink

        Dear Horizon
        I already described such people and i do not need to write them again , I think it is about the intention . Again you have to question one simple question , why will an ethiopian spend his golden time talking about Eritrean history ? You may read like sahay comments in asmarino too .
        I have been in this website for a very long period of time and know every forumer in this forum, I used to only read the article and forget the comments , I mean most of the time. From the day she jumped in here , I have never ever saw her tell a real true story of Eritreans . May be it is about perception but not to my knowledge do i believe she exercise a criticall thinking about Eritrea, may be to some old train but not to me.
        Most of the time i am glad to see her that , she is not letting her education get in the way of her ignorance about Eritrea and its history.

        • Sahay Erican

          Dear blink (Gheteb Jr.),

          What is wrong calling the spade by its name? Similarly, what is wrong with telling the true history and nature of the barbaric gedli? You were well defended and fed in the cities by the generous Ethiopians. Eritreans in the countryside had seen and received it all what the evil men of gedli could offer for thirty years nonstop…torture, property confiscation, cattle robbing, killing, and you name it. The irony of all ironies is that many of the gedli era criminals are still alive, enjoying life in the West and complaining about PFDJ’s dictatorial rule. I find this very amusing and sad to say the least.

          • blink

            Dear Sahay
            Usually I only read few comments of yours long time ago, as I know your view it feels no reason to argue with your claim. This forum is a forum for some to learn and for most to pour their venomous vision (you are in later group) . You are proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

            Sahay say what ever you like sir. If I wanted to kill myself, I would climb up your ego and jump down to your IQ level.

  • Thomas

    Dear Awatistas,

    Something that is the mafia/s regime in Eritrea is good at is decorating the capital city during independence day. The mafia regime spends lots of money to do the entire process of celebration. The BIG question is why do they invest such money for that day but NONE for the people who desperately need help (for those who would demand the basic human needs (water, food & electricity, unaffordable housing/renting etc………..)??

    From years of observing the mafias, they seem to use our countries independence for their propaganda. May be not in order, but the following are the system the mafia/s regime use:
    1) During preparation, the mafias start talking and decorating asmara. By doing this, they tell the world that the big day/independence day is coming.
    2) Eri-TV starts to air what was during the liberation struggle time: in Nakfa, Massawa, Afa’abet and the rest of the country. This is to imply that they are the liberators and in the process heavy sacrifices have been paid.
    3) Both 1) and 2) are to divert the attention of people living and out of the country. Just to make people live in the past and ignore what the mafias are doing today and the future. The mafias don’t have anything to offer to the Eritrean society except bringing scary images of the past.
    4) Since the mafias doing is now exposed and the world communities are condemning the mafias, the only way to deceive the world is to attempt to use the country’s independence as the peoples’ unity with their government. For this to happen, they have:
    – pictures and video of women and men taken from “bahti Meskerem” and aired via Eri-TV — everyone who lives in asmara or else where is encouraged to report to Asmara, well planned independence day carnival in asmara.
    – To show supporters in the diaspora — NO problem they have these all “Koboro” Junkies.
    – more…………………

    How can we, the justice seekers, fight this madness??

    • Abi

      Hi Tommy
      By the time you figure out the Eritrean independence has nothing to do with Eritreans , you will stop asking this kind of question.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Thomas, you can fight back with what you are good at. You are good at organizing things, things like assembling many drinkers and drink it the night away while throwing insults at PIA. You see, there are many ways you can fight. Justice seekers! justice seekers my foot. You wouldn’t know if justice itself hit you on your forehead. Leave Asmara alone, concentrate with the other city you drooling, like Cities in Ethiopia, may be Addis. lol

      • KBT

        Selam nitricc
        Or maybe MEKELE ,ADI GRAT ,ADWA I don’t how many city they have
        They denie and said m Eritrean

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Thomas ,

      This question is valid… and we got to find complete answer…on how to solve it and sure we will go right .. to Asmara and break the system ..

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        አንተ እኮ አስመራ ሳትገባ ክርስቶስ ሊመጣ ነው:: ፈጠን በል እንጂ ምነው ተዘናጋህ?

        • Kokhob Selam

          Hi Abi,

          — Disappointed ? “አህዛብ ” Is that both people? where l live now አህዛብ means both Ethiopian and Eritrean people ..and what about you and awate community are you optimistic?

  • Dis Donc

    Dear All,
    I really am sorry for disappearing and showing-up unexpectedly. But while waiting for a client-company; I shuffled through a Spanish newspaper, known for its business contents, came across the following section. I was stunned because I would say the newspaper is similar to the bloomeberg business section. Known for its non-political views. The title read as follows:
    — Dessale Berekhet: «En Eritrea, se te tortura sin que sepas por qué y mueres sin conocer qué delito has cometido»
    Its English equivalent wopuld read as:
    — Dessale Berekhet: «In Eritrea, they torture you without knowing the reason why and you can die by summary execution for unknown crime.»

    Please type abc dot es and search for Eritrea!!!

    I will not be available for response…

    Dis

  • blink

    Dear readers
    A good article, I mean the dictator has so many choices, I mean good choices yet he refused to give a try. By now all Eritreans know the man doesn’t have the best interest of the Eritreans. But I have to ask !!! What is holding us from destroying this monster ? Did you guys ask your friends for any reason ?? I did and most said the opposition is unable to tell the Eritreans a really good way . In this forum we can read many people’s comments that take this article outside the main target 🎯 isaias and they are only interested in talking about EPLF just to defame it. So it is equally fair to target them as they are telling lies. Dear all defamatory people, You are an outrageously insignificant reprobate and a decadent soul-destroying buggering weyane bandit.What can we expect from a monstrously lecherous lout and a rank toe-sucking grotesque visual experience.” You and your group are known to be a devilishly petty filcher and a corrupt acidly acrimonious personification of lies. your group lives and breathes lies and defamation of our revolution. You are a preposterously parasitic miscreant and a rotten all-befouling cacophonous catastrophe ,who use their time to defame Eritreans victory. You guys have invested a Jupiter time in telling lies so she ( she I mean she ) is happy to have you here.

    What this forum do not know is ” who are you serving ” the Eritreans oh no that is beyond your limitations, you guys are in a mind of piteously hermaphroditic simpleton and a malingering heart-sickening derelict whose birth certificates are from the weyane hunger revolution factory. No wonder if you say more about EPLF. , you have a green light to say . The good thing is we Eritreans do not buy your woefully bantering onanist and a disgusting grudge-festering menace to, not only Eritreans revolution , but all living creatures. Being said that is not your last .You are an outrageously insignificant reprobate and a decadent soul-destroying buggering weyane bandit. You will live in such state.

    • Thomas

      Hi Blink,
      You have lots of vocabulary on your above text. I wonder if these vocabularies were meant to support your text:
      – reprobate
      – decadent soul-destroying buggering
      – monstrously lecherous lout
      – rank toe-sucking grotesque
      – devilishly petty filcher
      – corrupt acidly acrimonious personification
      – rotten all-befouling cacophonous catastrophe
      – piteously hermaphroditic simpleton and a malingering heart-sickening derelict
      – your woefully bantering onanist and a disgusting grudge-festering menace

      Ho ho ho, what was that for?:) Also, you seem to represent all Eritreans when you happen to repetitively use the “WE” pronoun? How come you don’t speak for yourself? Don’t you doubt that there could be millions of Eritreans who would trash your stupid views in a heartbeat? I don’t know if your ignorance has to do with your attitude, I suggest you take a deep breath, buddy.

    • Abi

      Hi Blink
      From today on I will call you Gheteb Jr.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    The weirdos: convergence with the idiots and divergence with the people.
    I watched a play on EriTv today that was re-screened from last year’s independence celebration. The story is about an Eritrean elder in his early 60s who realized the fight for independence was coming to a conclusion. He wanted to pick up a gun and be part of the victory lap by joining the last fighting. He is told by the EPLF tegadelti that there was no need of him to participate in the fights given his age and the fact that the Derg was almost done. The elder would strongly refuse: “I can’t sit idle here while the enemy is crumbling!” But the tegadelti didn’t see a reason to enlist and arm him. So, he went on himself out wandering to hunt armed Ethiopian soldiers empty handed.. well, not really, he had a stick. Using that stick, he subdued an armed enemy and took the gun from a professional soldier, captured the combatant soldier and armed himself.
    Is this too much? Yes but lets call it an exaggerated political art and move on.. Ma’elesh! Besides it maybe possible…Hey, Ras Luel Abi: It is not unreasonable an empty handed Eritrean senior is defeating physically an armed young soldier from Ethiopia:) You are not paying attention – the key words here are that one is Eritrean the other is Ethiopian. Sorry for the drift but my main point is not this one, it is the one I hinted in my first line above.
    The old man came back safe and triumphant, a captured soldier and a snatched machine gun at his control… so all the tegadeltis who didn’t admit him to be one of them were all extremely amazed by the braveness of this old man whom I call aboy hero. Every one wanted to hear how aboy hero was capable of doing that:
    “How did you do that, abona?”
    “entay siq elka.. ezom AmHaru.., b’riHuqu yifikiru.. qeribka ‘tere’akhayom buKharu../these Amara people, they just pretend to be braves from afar but they really are not better than a graceless fox when dealt with.”
    Now, I wouldn’t be that shocked if this was from a drama produced prior 1991. This is from 2016 and it made to EriTv screen repeat play again this year, as recent as yesterday. It is on EriTv, serving the truth so the regime must have thought this is the truth and worth repeating it every year. A regime in cahoots with the G7 chooses to disgustingly insult millions of Ethiopians!?
    But then, we should be reminded that PFDJ spares no one: not even Eritreans.. I remember Isayass calling Eritreans “dough retailers” and many worse insults and damages than that, He said our people had been spoiled and they turned themselves to smugglers of buiHiq (dough). Can you beleive that the head of state saying that to his people who died and bled to crown him!? He never spared our tegadelti either, not even the disables…Some years ago 3 years into the post independence, the disables and their families went to his office with a petition requesting for his help to get food. He publicly said to them, “entay ikhum tiblu.. qedam qedam begi’E kinHardelkum delikhum!? /What do you want us to do for you, kill a sheep for you every weekend?!/
    Folks, it is a weirdo group out there!

    • Nitricc

      Hayat, your post shows you have boring life and conforms that you have the time you have no idea what to do with. Do something!!! life is short; What a waste of life.

    • Sahay Erican

      Dearest Queen,

      The EPLF was run by con-artists. Refusing to enlist a 60 year old man while forcibly recruiting children is simply a farse.

      There was also a similar made up story about a couple of village women capturing an Ethiopian soldier barehanded with his gun and hand grenades. At least the man in your comment had a stick. We are told that the women had nothing.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Sahay; well, at least you came clean. you showed your backward mentality. I don’t know if you are that old or just that backward but a woman with a brain is much more dangerous than a man with a stick. I know, you wouldn’t understand what just I have said but please make an effort to acknowledge that you are living in 2017. What a disgrace!

        • Sahay Erican

          Dear Nitricc,

          ኣንታ ትምከ ዘይትብል ክትስተር:: The more you open your mouth, the uglier you get. Did my comment insult women? I guess the only thing that your mentors taught you is to be a loyal servant for their cause. Try to be independent for one day, and you will feel dignified and liberated. You are chained like the poor guys in Guantanamo Bay. I feel sorry for the anonymous souls like you.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hayata (Eritrean -awate Queen)

      I am ‘ Nitricca y not also Sahay you know who I am really.

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        You are Kokhob Selam from Bahir Dar, Gojam.
        Just called to say hello.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Abo,

          Yes , I am Kokhob Selam !

      • Sahay Erican

        Dear Kokhob Selam,

        You are funny. If you call Sahay is feudalism, what are you going to call the gedli romantics? Prehistoric relics:-)?

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Sahay — ( Conservative ) friend .

          I would like to answer your question.. ” what are you going to call the gedli romantics? ” my answer to that wrong question is “gedli romantics..”

          Did I found it?

    • MS

      Selam Hayat
      This is another example that shows how strange your mindset is in relation to Eritrean experience. The more you come with distortions the more you are becoming laughing stock in the eyes of main stream Eritrea. Now here are some facts, and I can assure you AG will help you digest them.
      1. There were organized village committees, militia bands, and other farmers and shepherds who were acting as a “neighborhood” watch in their regions. This was true in Eritrea and it WAS TRUE in Tigray too. Ask your TPLF pals and they will give you plenty of examples. Have you played the late Artist Iyassu’s dramatic song in which he dramatize “a colonel captured by stone throwing peasants” where the peasants disarm the colonel and use his pistol to direct him to the tegadelti? Actually, it was more practiced in Tigray than in Eritrea, for in Eritrea, there were armed tegadelti in every corner of the country,be it jemahir (administrators), handesa (army explosives units), Sleya (army intelligence units, militias, zonal armies, regular combatants, and so on.
      2. There are psychological explanations why a defeated army could be captured by stick and stone wielding kids…and you know that. Don’t you Hayat? It does not mean Ethiopian soldiers were less soldierly, it does not mean they were not brave…They were fierce fighters. But an army is as good only as its cohesiveness goes; once its command and control is obliterated, and when that happens in a hostile territory, the poor soldiers have no idea who is behind those stick wielding peasants, they are tired, they need food, they need water.
      3. EPLF was known for its handling of POWs among Derg soldiers. Therefore, it was rational to try to make it to friendly territory, if possible. It was the next rational thing to surrender if confronted by ANYONE, because they knew if they make it safe to the POWs camps, they will one day get released and go home. Therefore, no exaggeration in the story you cited (I did not watch this particular drama, but I’m familiar with hundreds of such REAL cases).
      4. This is a boring thing but I have to say it as long as it is needed: For Eritreans, Amara WAS interchangeable with Ethiopian SOLDIERS. As far as Eritreans were concerned, Ethiopian army spoke Amharic, and everything it displayed of cultural expressions were Amara. I never heard a Tigrigna, Oromgna, Somalegna, walaytegna….acting or speaking soldier.
      5. Time does not change historical facts. If Eritreans were to do a drama based on Italian racist era, they would have to reflect that era as it was. Eritreans are not obliged to observe sensitivities of others while telling their story. They will tell it as it happened. It is up to the QebeTbaTawoch to take it or leave it. I’m sure you have watched movies depicting injustices that occurred in other situations such as slavery in America, French atrocities in Libya and Algeria, “black Hawk Down”, Hotel Rewanda….they all carry incendiary messages to those who don’t want to accept the TRUTH as it HAPENNED. I think Eritrean artists have no reason to sugarcoat history simply because the year 1991 had arrived.
      6. You always sprinkle your comments with sentences from IA in order to pass through your prejudicial attitude towards Eritreans. You want to appear as if you are against IA while your big prize is the defeat of Eritrean nationhood and its united stand. Case in point:
      A/ your mischaracterization of the photo Awate put up; your made up quote of WelWel
      B/ In your last comment you implied that low landers are OK with the states quo because it serves their goal (connect this with your often said “demographic destabilization of the highlands” apparently due to the fleeing of the youth, as if lowland youth are not fleeing. And you also implied the highlanders who are supporting the government are doing so because they think the government is standing for highlands. You see Hayat, these are pure making of a disturbed mind. Eritreans are Erirtreans, And Eritreans challenges could only be solved by Eritreans who think and behave Eritrean. The rest are characterizations of folks who dream to unmake Eritrea by exaggerating social faults.
      7. Who is then the REAL weirdo? You are not going to get it easy simply because the drama was screened on ERI-TV, an institution that is serving the regime. Yes, in ERI-TV and in other government institutions, there are individuals who are doing their best Under the circumstance; people who have not benefited from the regime; people who want to do the right thing. They are not weirdo. The weirdo should be someone who has repeatedly failed to improve her grasp on how to read Eritrean experience.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hey Mahmuday,
        Do you really have to defend everything of and about…?
        Okay few issues with you: if TPLF is your standard for every political manner and decency, that is fine but I have my own and the TPLF are wrong and wierdo, too, if they insulted millions of people. People are people, respect them.
        If you want to focus on discussing Tplf in this forum, that is fine but they are not my focus here and you will not read me commenting frequently on them.
        If you beleive we shouldn’t go excess on commenting against IA here, that is fine but I beg to differ as I think there is no more important active enemy of Eritreans than him right now, so allow me to remain seized of him.
        You are saying stuff as if you represent the Eritrean experience. I want you to be reminded Eritrea is way larger than the Sahilean experience. I will always be here to help you remember that fact.
        ———
        I have watched a good movie recently. It is called The Exception. In there, the leading characters are a Nazi officer, male, and a female spy, jew working for the British gvt. They intercepted each other in one compound in Germany on their respective duties. She went there to destroy them. He was there to hunt down Jew remenants and other enemies. These two odd couples fell in love almost instantly. The gene is indifferent to enmity. The spy girl knows who is who but no one knew she was a jew or what she was up to. In one bed dialogue between the two:
        He: “…I am a soldier. My duty is to follow orders.”
        She: “Do u always follow orders?”
        He: “Well, what else is there in life!?”
        She: “We are not following orders now, here.:
        He: “we are not breaking them either.”
        She: “I am Jewish!”
        /seconds of shock and silent stare/
        He: “and I am not!”
        And they both laughed.
        The bed defeated the barrack.
        ————–
        MS: I am Sahilean.
        HA: And I am not.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Hayat,
      A small correction:
      The “qedam-qedam” is actually “senbet-senbet” and it was not said in bis office. It was in one of those public meetings he used to hold at Cinema Impero where the audience complained about electric bills and such. Enraged he said, what next, “senbet-senbet begie’e knhardelkum delikhum?” It is dehumanizing and insulting to the people. Worse, it was not even said to a limited audience in his office, but in a public meeting. You know what is worse? It was aired on television repeatedly and some were saying, “see, aye zereba. Tm abiluwom” I remember I had a debate with a relative of a friend in the family house (he was an officer who still smelled of gunpowder) he was mad and told me, “zereba gedifkn, seb’out kuna ‘mmo, ab meda yerakhbena.” a clear call for resolving differences through the gun. By the way, that was my last trip and returned totally disappointed. In addition to that, I have tens of observation that made me change my mind totally.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear SGL ( FULL OF WISDOM )!

        Really what a wisdom..Really Waw!

      • Hayat Adem

        Hon SGJ,
        Thanks for the correction. I can imagine how repulsive could that be to the decent and free souls. And I don’t understand these folks who are so generous to him. many of the things he utters now and then are so embarrassing by the basic human decency. And then there are always people who editorialize him: negirwom.. tim abiluwom.. amhiriwom etc

      • Desbele

        I am your admirer for identifying very early this mafia group. The likes of blink are in confusion ..may be coma, after 26yrs

  • KBT

    Selamat kulukhum
    Well it’s samo samo ,as usual always bias just to vilified the great hero who never yield to no one or sold himself
    If he wanted he could make fake constitution and fake election as many African do even like woyane 100%vote
    And a good servant to western he would be rich ,and you guys maybe wouldn’t exist as refugees.
    No ,he won’t you guys can name him shame him and still no offenses brother you will always remain beneath his shadow .
    The criminal woyane invaded our land killed our people destroy with his tank the tombs of our fallen heroes , their bones scattered
    Everywhere ,expel our people the elders ,the sick ,the children and etc. and it’s ok for you guys
    After the war with Algiers agreement we thought we will have peace against the evil refuse to abide by the agreement,he campaigne to vilifie ,and isolate Eritrea they did everything possible as human being to destroy Eritrea and it fail .
    By the way great thanks to Wikileaks and Julian assange ready to die for true.
    And we have people her that never contribute for Eritrea advocating and lobbying for the dying TPLF
    How low and desperate you guys must be god forbid ,you won’t enter Eritrea you guys would have sold the hole country for pity.

  • Hi All,

    This is a story I heard a long time ago.

    In the age when barbers were village surgeons, a farmer had his thumb pricked by a piece of wood as he was working with his hands in his field. The next day he went to the village barber to check his finger, because it was getting painful. The barber saw a splinter, but chose to say or do nothing about it. Simply, he cleaned the finger with whatever he had, took the loaf of bread the farmer had brought, and then sent him back home. The next morning the finger was getting more painful and swollen. The farmer took another loaf of bread and went to visit the barber again. Instead of removing the splinter, he did nothing again, just cleaned it, took the loaf of bread, and sent the farmer back home. On the third day, things were getting worse, and again the barber did nothing different, took the loaf of bread, told the farmer everything will be alright, and sent him, after some cleaning and bandaging,
    On the fourth day, the poor farmer was now getting feverish, the thumb swollen, warm and extremely painful, and he was feeling ill. Nevertheless, this time the farmer had good luck. The old barber was absent and he was replaced by someone else. The poor farmer told the new barber his story. As the new barber looked at the finger, he could not believe his eyes. There was the splinter and the swollen thumb that was collecting pus. He immediately removed the splinter, drained the pus, cleaned and applied a bandage and sent the farmer home relieved from the pain.

    The next day the old barber returned, and to his disappointment he did not see the farmer. Days passed, and still the farmer did not return. The old barber could not understand why the farmer was not coming back, and he went to ask his friend who had replaced him the previous day, if he had seen the farmer on the day he was away.

    His friend turns to him and says, ‘For Christ’s sake, haven’t you seen the splinter? Why didn’t you remove it the first thing’.
    The old barber responds: ‘Don’t tell me that you removed it’.
    The new barber: ‘Of course, I did. What else would one do in this case’.
    The old barber: ‘Then, we will see for how long you will still be in business, fool!’.

    One can replace the old barber with ‘dia’, and the splinter with ‘badme’, and then one can get the whole picture. The best solution for dia is a ‘no solution’, leaving the status quo as it is. He does not care about the consequences of his actions for the people, but to remain in power by all means. A change, a new person at the helm of power is a must. But, who, where is this person? Still unknown, even now, after a quarter century, when dia may not be around any moment.

  • Abbe Sahle

    I don’t expect even a balanced comment from the awate team and their stooges. Against all odds, PIA and PFDJ are there to remain.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    The article is a timely pointer but shy at the level of asertion and depth.
    1) The war was a creation of IA. Articles like this should be able to say that loudly. Like the EEBC decision, how and when and who started the war in breach of an international law was
    A matter decided by a mandated commission called EECC, an entity as good as the EEBC.
    2) Ethiopia said it would honor the EEBC decision. It only said it wanted to talk towards that. I would encourage Ethiopia to abide by the decision. In APA, the part that deals with border issue says border decision is final and binding, but also No part of the APA excludes a talk. Articles, like this should clearly implicate and expose Isayass as the party sabotaging the EEBC decision, and doing this for a very understandable motive.
    3) Isayass’ political life depends on only one and only one game card, and that is by sustaining the conflict. He is not that fool to lose his life saving card. He will never allow demarcation. PMMZ was willing to do the 95% of border to have it demarcated. He only wanted to talk to save some parts of Erob, not even Badime, swapping with Tsorena parts, which should have been Isayass’ interest as well. But Isayass never cares for Eritreans, in Tsorena or else where. Articles like this should have really hammered Isayass’ hiding corners.
    4) By sustaining the conflict, Isayass is killing Eritrea at a light speed. No country in the world has ever been able to build itself through a bat-path system: isolating one self from normal ways, avoiding daylights, becoming active during dark nights, and crowding out the only remaining hope – the people. Articles like this should show how Isayass is crippling the people and sending Eritrea down the hatch.
    5) I am willing to bet that IA is the only person who knows well what he is doing. He knows he is using the entire Eritrea and Eritreans for his personal sake. But as he thinks he alone is larger than the people and the country, he is right to bring himself first and above at the expense of Eritrea. That is the price scale he has in mind and if you can see his logic, you will agree that he is right on the money.
    The rest are all wrong. The lowlanders are wrong for thinking that sustaining the current situation will yield for better opportunities of correcting the inequality that favors highlanders. If the current trend is allowed to continue, There will no longer be Eritrea to see justice prevailing. Highlanders are wrong for thinking IA represents their pride and for preferring to flee rather than to free themselves and fight a good fight for degnity at least as much as they did for independence. In fact, degnity supersedes everything else except maybe when in a situation where one is forced to fight for survival. Ethiopia is of course wrong in choosing to sustain the conflict in stead of solving it beleiving the negative situation is killing Eritrea faster than it is impacting her. That is because, if Eritrea falters and slips into uncontrollably bad situation, it will come back to haunt her for life. Need we mention Somalia here! The entire world is wrong, too, for thinking Eritrea’s problem is a normal political problem which can be solved using standard tools. Because it is not, it never was.
    There is no one for Eritreans except themselves. Awate has a unique responsibility to shoulder. It should embody and live its motto and display it without holding back: embolden and inspire the people to help themselves to free before they perish one by one under the hands of the monster.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Hayat (our queen)…

      I totally agree with your post above and think ….similar with you mind Awate team has a huge responsibility..as such they should do all they can to protect their principle..

      KS..

  • Anis Idris

    Salaam All,

    This Article was in a good timing, thanks Awate for it. We feel something of Change will take effect in Eritrea this year 2017 because of all the Events that is taking place around Eritrea weather Positive or Negative and hope will turn good for Eritrea and the Eritreans.

    • Daniel Joseph

      Isayas is a rotten egg his time is up

  • Hi All,

    If qatar is in the eye of this arab cyclone, how does it affect the other arab countries? From what I can understand, qatar is accused of helping extremists that function in the middle east and beyond. Egypt is complaining about the muslim brotherhood, ksa due to al qaeda and isis, bahrain for shia extremists, uae for al qaeda and isis, and yemen for the houthis (shia). In addition qatar’s seems to have an open door policy towards iran (ksa’s antagonist as a regional power), which has also infuriated the ksa. All these arab states except few are ruled by families, whose legitimacy is questioned by the above mentioned extremists.
    What is more difficult to explain is turkey’s support for qatar. Turkey and egypt have been at odds for sometime due to turkey’s support of the muslim brotherhood. This may explain turkey’s role, as much as egypt is concerned, but in relation to the ksa, from whom, if I am not mistaken, turkey has big financial interests, it does not seem to fit.
    Moreover, turkey and iran are at loggerheads in syria due to iran’s support of the assad regime. When they stand together on the issue of qatar, it looks somehow odd.
    The person who likes to be in the spotlight all the time, for things he has done and has not done, none other than Trump, was self-congradulating that he is responsible that qatar has been made the black sheep of the arab world. The next day he made a u-turn and was speaking of peace and harmony among arabs. That is trumpism.
    Finally, how will the new development in the gulf will affect the poor chaps in the horn? Not really much, I think, and not directly, for this is mainly an inter-arab squabble, which will be over with tea served in a tent in the desert, and some billions flowing in different direction. They cannot afford to perpetuate it. May be, there was a reason to send a message to some people in the region and beyond.
    (Sorry, for bringing the subject earlier, even though it has been left for another date)

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Horizon,

      I think Iran has been making progress towards it’s democratic institution. Couple of weeks ago, Rouhani was re-elected and strong support to the moderators, as he has made significant progress towards the west (including US / Obama) and the Europeans.

      Qatar is also the better country in the region compared to the others in the Gulf.

      So I think the problem is with KSA and their allies (including the current US administration).

      Berhe

  • Thomas

    Hi Awate,

    Great and timely article. I might say the planned article that will discuss the turmoil in the region and its influence on the Issayas regime might also enlighten us better. I am writing this comment because the last paragraph in the above article that says, “However, the entire Eritrean neighborhood is in turmoil and somehow, the tremor that is shaking the region might creep towards Eritrea, either across the Red Sea from Yemen, or down from Egypt, or west from Sudan. But that regional boiling situation is a topic for another day” gave me a hit about the upcoming one:)

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