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If You Shall Do Wicked Things, Don’t Brag About It

[this archive material was fist published on Dec 12, 2002 @13:47]

Arabic saying: إذا ابتليتم فاستتروا  fe’iza abteleytum, fe’estetiru. (If you shall do wicked things, don’t brag about it.)

In Alamin Mohammed Said’s The Tale of Internal Division in The Eritrean Revolusion” ( page 84), there is a very unflattering statement about Mr. Abdulkader Hamdan.  At the time the book was published, Mr Hamdan was an independent journalist who used to write critical pieces about the PFDJ.

That was then. This is now. Mr. Abdulkader Hamdan is now one of the fitewraris of the Stalinist movement known as “hzbawi mekete.” How the transformation came about is a long story, half of which is not fit to print. Let’s just say it followed the path trailed by most turncoats. To be a fitewrari in this movement, you must be completely devoid of any sense of morality or ethics or humanity. In keeping with the PFDJ culture, you must also be willing to make wild allegations, present no proof and hope that your repetition of the allegation will convince some people that you must have the proof, otherwise you wouldn’t make reckless allegations. (This is how the PFDJ accuses people of being spies and holds them in detention for years, without bothering to present any evidence.)

One exchange led to another and Mr. Alamin Mohammed Said showered Mr. Hamdan with tens of thousands of dollars which was originally given by the German government for the development of Eritrea’s free press. As a result, the grey “Voice of Eritrea”, the Arabic four-page paper that Hamdan publishes from Germany, witnessed an immediate and dramatic changeover in its appearance and editorial content: an opposition paper began praising the government lavishly and assaulting its “enemies.” In exchange for this good behavior, Hamdan’s paper was offered assistance in printing and distribution as well as a Tigrigna sister paper “DimtSi Ertra.” Meanwhile, the people who were supposed to receive the German funding, Eritrea’s independent and principled journalists, rejected the government bribe money and are paying a heavy price for it.

For Hamdan, the transition was complete; the soul was sold and there are no refunds.

Hamdan now gives interviews and conducts seminars singing one song: “Awate.com is Weyane.com.” subHan muqeyer alaHwal. Mr. Abdulkader Hamdan is scheduled to present a “speech” at the London version of the next hzbawi shefeTe. You can be certain that it will include the trademark PFDJ allegation without proof. After all, he has already done this last year when he attacked members of the Awate Team and the Awate Foundation in a public meeting in Stockholm and then shamelessly repeated his slander in a TV interview with the Rahwa TV station on September 1, 2001.

Back then, we wrote “Rumors and propaganda messages have the risk of being perceived as truth if not challenged in time. The aim of government propaganda is to confuse and weaken opposition.” With that in mind, we are re-posting his allegations and our response.


 

THE INTERVIEW (With Rahwa TV on September 1, 2001):

INTERVIEWER: Hamdan, for example yesterday… in the seminar that you held, you gave an explanation about the existence of Awate.com and Asmarino.com. What knowledge do you have about them?

HAMDAN: First, it was the war disabled who sent the invitations out for the seminar. What is “the disabled” in Eritrea? What is the help that is presented to them? In this third offensive, how many were hurt, meaning, those who were wounded. And, before that, starting from 1961 until now, those meaning, disabled, about them, enough information is not being passed about them. These were the questions asked yesterday. In that, Ato Kesete, half an hour …..who, who it is?

INTERVIEWR: Tekeste?

HAMDAN: Ato Tekeste presented it. And then we had found an opportunity, which is called “Family To Family.” It was a successful project. When I went to Adi Qeshi…. [Editor: a three-four minute PFDJ Sunna deleted for brevity] Regarding the news, meaning what we discussed in detail, the main topic (re’si AnqeS) was the media. Always, our people, now, before there was [a website] called Visafric from the country [Eritrea]. During the Weyane invasion a lot of information was being disseminated by it. And regarding the country, defense, they, what, when the forces were defending in Eritrea, the able, educated Eritreans, within their ability, all that befell our people…injustice, destruction of houses or the raping of our families was being disseminated by the media.

Therefore, we always were depending on it: what comes from Visafric, what comes from Asmarino, what comes from Dehai. About what was going on in Eritrea because all the media of the world wronged Eritrea. They had forgotten [Eritrea]. All were talking about Ethiopia and we … all wrongs were blamed on us [and we were presented] as if we were defeated or as if… and all the blame was laid on us. And Eritreans decided to cooperate within our ability… and this was sensed by Weyane Tigrai…what was being done in Ethiopia to Eritreans… now, how can we…………….. The. …situation in Eritrea, how can we [inaudible] was the idea that came to them. There, the idea, the main idea, that was, that there is…that there was…. as I said, were Visafric, AsmarinoDehai. These were, meaning the main [websites] that were passing information from Eritrea.

There, now this awate.com entered in the middle. Last year when I did the interview with Dr. Kiros on TV Rahwa, [I said] this information that passes through awate com, we must read carefully. All that is written in awate.com. I was suspicious then. What kind of a website is it that conveys the differences, the conflicts among Eritreans? Who are those working there? And I have spoken saying “be careful!”

But now, after three months or…the last four or five months, firstly the main [people] who were active in America and were defending their country and presenting, good, meaning, media, clean including criticism, the known were, Dr. Tekie Fessahatsion, Dr Ghidewon and Saleh Younis. Those three were … in all Eritrean media in America.

When the war stopped and when the peace talks were going on in Algiers, Saleh Younis presented another idea: so that, in Eritrea, the mistakes that were made would not be covered up, and this Shaebia should be divided into three. His [Saleh Younis] idea was: we cannot go and continue like this. Especially in awate com… and we were reading it. Ghidewon told him: We who are in Popular Front, anybody within it, has the right to criticize, anyone has the right to present a criticism. Any Eritrean can present his criticism about the entire situation inside Eritrea. We, all Eritreans, after dialoguing among ourselves and after hearing the other opinions, we can correct the entire situation ourselves. Dr. Tekie Fesshatsion, “Listen to another voice”, a known person, what he was writing was all criticism. His writing… he said let us correct our mistakes. Now the Weyane were observing all of this. The one who went very radical was Saleh Younis.

Now [there was] one Eritrean who was working in Kuwait, called Saleh Gadi, and holding an Ethiopian passport. And all his wealth was in Ethiopia and the money and he built a villa in Addis Ababa and he had a shop and his family was there and when Eritreans were deported he was deported. Therefore, the Weyane, when he came to renew his passport and his house, which they took, when he came to repossess it, they made a compromise with him. They told him: we will give you your house, we will give you your wealth, we will renew your passport, and you help us with media because Eritreans have media weakness and because you are Eritrean. He migrated to America and met with people like Saleh Younis and, together, they grouped and formed Awate com…called Awate Foundation.

From that day, one now, called Media Watch when you follow it. What they were writing is good. Other views were presented. Our people were happy… awate com… all that was written in awate com until, finally, a media professional… when I followed it.

When Saleh Younis put his hands with Saleh Gadi, they were given a budget; a big office in Los Angeles was opened. Now these… a link was established with Walta. The information is being presented now… all Eritrea… erasing its sovereignty, or always ideas of destroying Shaebia, and information is presented that Eritrea committed the mistake not Ethiopia. And when we present questions, at least they became three. Before it was one …there was one called Messelna, one called Meskerem and these belong to those who are in Mekelle. And these made an alliance with them. If there is one who is able to say they didn’t form it [an alliance], what is presented in awate com you find it in Meskerem and from Meskerem when you open Walta, in three minutes after it is published in awate it reaches Addis Ababa.

Therefore, I told the brothers yesterday, “In the past, we had exercised restraint, [qelAlem]. We said ‘let’s be together’ [aynfelale]. We are Eritreans let’s tolerate each other; but now it has become a reality this is not awate com but Weyane com.” This is what I said and presented concrete information. Therefore what awate com is presenting to the people is and what it is saying to the people is: “why don’t you be like Somalia, isn’t that better for you?” [End of the relevant portion of the Interview]


Response by Awate Team

Dear Readers,

Usually, we do not respond to infantile and cheap accusations because if we did, we wouldn’t have time to run our activities. We decided to respond to Hamdan’s accusations not because we give it any weight, but because many honest readers, especially from Sweden, wrote us and insisted that we respond.

We have already commented on the defamation campaign that the PFDJ clique is fond of. You have seen Alamin Mohammed Said, Abdella Jaber, Zemehret Yohannes and Yemane Gebreab in action. Hamdan, the “responsible journalist” as per PFDJ’s definition of obedient journalists, is part of that campaign. He is not as experienced in defamation as the afore-mentioned professionals, which makes his comments simultaneously offensive and laughable.

A few years ago, Hamdan was a man with some integrity. In the 1990s, he was one of the lone voices in the wilderness, publishing a newspaper (Sout Eritrea) that was true to his belief: the PFDJ is an undemocratic and unjust organization. That he is now a strong PFDJ supporter is not a crime; people are entitled to change their opinion and their beliefs. But a journalist with integrity should not sell his conscience for personal perks even if the perks include a Land Cruiser, $100,000 in cleverly channeled German NGO funds and the benefit of having one’s newspaper printed with state subsidized funds as well as government’s help in distributing his newspaper to all the Wahio organizations in the world. Is it any wonder, then, that the Eritrean government believes that one way to silence its critics is to bribe them and when it can’t arrests them?

When we watched the taped interview, we were amazed at how one can either lie or talk with blissful ignorance without blinking an eye.

Of course, Hamdan began his response to a question by the interviewer about Awate.com and Asmarino.com, with the usual rhetoric, what we call the Shaebia Sunna: comments whose only purpose is emotional manipulation. Then he went into his hatchet job. According to him, the Weyane funds Awate.com and this was a result of a “compromise between Saleh Gadi and the Ethiopian Government”. Those who hate Awate.com really have to co-ordinate what they want to say to make their lies somewhat credible. We can’t possibly be getting funded by Weyane and the CIA and the Saudi Government and the Tri-Lateral Commission. You have to make up your minds. Regardless of the source, we at Awate being of sound mind and exercising our free will, authorize Hamdan and the folks at the ‘Mike Show’ (Dehai Message Board) who claim that we are externally funded, full permission to take every Birr, Dollar and Riyal we have received from all these generous organizations to their personal bank accounts.

Moving on, according to Hamdan, the Awate Foundation has a BIG office in Los Angeles? Again, we the Awate Team, being of sound mind and exercising our free will without any duress, and with our readers as our witnesses, hereby bequeath our “BIG office in Los Angeles” to Hamdan. It is all his. Our only disappointment is that we do not have Land Cruisers there. We have Rolls Royces given to us by the Weyane (or is it the CIA?) but we are keeping those.

We would like to ask Hamdan a favor: Next time he interviews Alamin, would he ask him which newspapers benefited from the German funds meant for the development of the Eritrean press? Maybe Hamdan could get some proof in any pocket closest to him.

As for the rest of his ramblings:

  1. Saleh Gadi was not deported by Ethiopia; he was in Kuwait during the African Safari season holding a good job and earning a respectful salary as he had been for a decade when the PFDJ system declared him stateless and destroyed his life simply because he didn’t lick the dictators sandals, the way Hamdan is doing now, and advocate war.
  2. Saleh Gadi didn’t immigrate to the USA. He was resettled in the USA through the good offices of the UNHCR and the USA. Before UNHCR approved Saleh Gadi’s request for resettlement, it conducted two interviews: one with the Eritrean Ambassador in Kuwait [who is now, incidentally, “frozen”*] and another with the Ethiopian Ambassador in Kuwait. The Ethiopian Ambassador gave a direct answer that he was nullifying Saleh’s request for renewing his passport based on a directive from his Woyane government, then at war with Eritrea. On the other hand, the Eritrean Ambassador told so many bold-faced lies that were easily contradicted by the dates on documents, application forms, and receipts for payments made, that UNHCR’s job in determining culpability was made remarkably easy.
  3. Unlike some who now want to deny it, Saleh Gadi had a good friendship with both the Eritrean and Ethiopian Ambassadors in Kuwait, who were close buddies. This is because he believed and still believes that friendship is nurtured and/or withers based on the interactions between the individuals involved, irrespective of the nationality of the individuals.  This is why he can count dozens and dozens of old friends of all nationalities who are friends indeed. On the other hand, those who form “friendships” based on the government model (‘what is in my interest’) are constantly making and breaking friendships, trying to stay one step ahead of their reputations.
  4. Saleh Younis didn’t write in awate.com at the time mentioned by Hamdan. Moreover, the way Hamdan explained the sequence and the contents of the Ghidewon-Saleh-Tekie articles regarding the future of PFDJ clearly shows how little Hamdan understands of what he reads and why a mixed-up mind should not consider journalism as a profession;
  5. Hamdan shouldn’t be surprised that an article that appears in one site can appear in another in three minutes. Awate.com news items have appeared at BBC, Indian Ocean Newsletter, Africa Confidential, UN’s IRIN, Africa Now, and Human Rights Watch. It is called investigative reporting, credibility and technology. Hamdan should look into all three. And, to help him come up with new inventions for his next hatchet job, we’d like to tell him, in advance; that he can have all the money we were paid by these news and human rights organizations, as well.
  6. Since he mentions Dr. Tekie, could he enlighten us, after he interviews his new friends at PFDJ’s Central Office, why did Dr. Tekie, who is “a known person” and admired by Shaebia, became the black sheep of the family who was a victim of a cruel article written at Eritrea Profile by one of the Central Officers under an assumed name and posted at Dehai.org by Sout Eritrea’s correspondent in “Washington, DC”?
  7. Lastly, is Hamdan’s “responsible newspaper” still being distributed in Eritrea after all the independent newspapers were closed?
  8. Does Hamdan know that he was part of the grave digging that went on before the arrest of the leaders of the Reform Movement and the closure of the Independent Press? And does he know that one day he might face those he accuses in a real Eritrean court of justice and not the special court that functions in the dark?

What does the future hold for Hamdan? If his history is any guide, he will turn on the G-1. At which point, the G-1, probably in the person of Alamin Mohammed Seid, will unleash its entire arsenal and destroy what it created. The same folks that are applauding his speeches at seminars in Europe will turn against him and tell us that they knew, all along, that he is a Woyane (or whatever our enemy will be at the time.) It won’t be fair but the irony will be delicious.

We close our comments with a Tigre adage: e-kejl kjelo e’lu (Be ashamed on behalf of the shameless). We are ashamed to have Hamdan counted as a journalist.

The Awate Team

* Ambassador Mohammed Ali Berhan was frozen, jailed, and frozen again until he left Eritrea. Our last information indicated he was working in Kuwait.

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            Selam blink
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            Selam hm
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            Blink:

            If you don’t believe in karma, you have to be a believer now. Teodros is to you what you are to iSem and Berhe. You have some conclusion in your head about them, and you twist whatever they say to fit your conclusion. And he does the exact same to you when in fact you two are soulmates. He even uses the filthiest metaphor created by PFDJites—“used condom”—to describe something or another.

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            Selam Saay7
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            Hi Saay
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            Sal,

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            Eyobai:

            Awate did! You are not impressed by my ዋርድያ title? Teodros, ወያነ ከፈለግህ ይሀውልህ! This Eyob guy was justifying even the Anti Terrorist Proclamation (ATP) when it was scooping up everyone and calling them terrorists. Although, lately, he has been smitten by PMAA and dumping weyane. But still: give it to him.

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          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            ቀሽም ዋርድያ ነህ እባክህ.. 🙂
            ATP has some worthy provision in it. It has warded off Al Shabab. I don’t have any problem, if some of It is gotten rid off and reformed. But, I am very skeptical of discarding all of it. I feel the same about CSO and charity laws. As far as Abiy is concerned, yes. You are right. I am wormed up to him. By the way, what do you think Isayas refusal to pick up his cell phone? Or you didn’t hear the story?

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            On the Isaias telephone call ምናምን, there was one breaking news from his very boring speech….but wait Alnahda tonight or tomorrow morning.

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            Sal,
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          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob
            Isayas didn’t pick up the phone news came from ghetto coca’s.the real news was he pick it up and rejected tplf as usual . give time to Dr Abiy he will solve it out by implementing eebc.

          • saay7

            Eyob,

            So, it is like the story of Temu and Hana? I heard in the background, this was playing

            ብደውል ብደውል
            አይነሳም ስልኩ
            እኔ ነኝ ማውቀው
            ከም ከመይ ከም ዝሓደርኩ

            https://youtu.be/rSkGZ_T_0aI

            But you are pre-empting my story….wait for it, dammit

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            Am not the same with blink , he is for twisted support of tplf , not ethiopia or eprdf.
            Me , i have no problem with more than 95% of eprdf policy but am against the twisted implementation of the policy and i believe the twisted part of eprdf is tplf so we(me and blink) r so different.

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            But that’s why what you say is funny because Blink is definitely NOT for twisted (or straight) support of TPLF. He hates them with blinding intensity. Your conclusion is based on an assumption that is not supported by pages and pages and pages he has written here about his distaste for TPLF. By the way, he is not that crazy about Ethiopia, either.

            It is funny to me because he is getting his own medicine. Berhe has shown no love for TPLF, but Blink has concluded he has and he rails against him for it. Berhe is bored by it and just does his thing:)

            Both of you (Blink and Teodros) read what is not written because you have already reached conclusions: you have concluded he is a TPLF supporter, and he has concluded Berhe is a TPLF supporter.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            Yes u r right i have concluded he is a twisted supporter of tplf after i see him wishing a happy “tileho” to aboy sebehat in tigrai for the rest of his life And his abiness similarity. Maybe am wronge .

    • halafi mengedi

      Horizon,

      Good for Ethiopia. G7 is dead now.

      Also, this is total embarrassment to gov of Eritrea.

      hm

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam hm
        Actually eritrea played a great role in everything for what is going on in ethiopia.
        They r the mian player by downgraded tplf to irrelevant position.
        The realise of adirgachw is mainly came from the pressure of the opposition by extension eritrea. Tplf is not dead yet but nothing is not over.

        • halafi mengedi

          teodros,

          what i meant by ‘this is total embrassement to Eritrea’ is that when Ethiopia release political prisoners even those armed by Eritrea, IA continues to keep heroes of Eritrea in jail incommunicado. what was the last time he ‘pardoned’ anyone?

          as to whether Eritrea is responsible for what happened to tplf: ‘tideliyo emo ezingiaki.’

          hm

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hm
            U said” good for ethiopia, g7 is dead now.and a total embarrassment for eri gov.

      • Selam hm,

        PMAAA seems to be moving gradually in the right direction, and i hope that it will be a continuous one. Releasing political prisoners, inviting opposition parties, and opening the door, even if not fully, for private internet providers is a good start.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Horizon. There are absolutely no surprises as PM Abiy is acting completely in line with what the TPLF scripted/expected him to do in that he is making the anticipated soft moves such as the release of prisoners and ‘appearing’ to tackle corruption. The true telling time will come within the next few months when we will see if he is ready to make hard decisions such as substantive changes in the military and security apparatus. In regards to Eritrea, there is zilch difference from his predecessors in that Ethiopia: 1) Still illegally occupies Badme, and 2) Continues to try to economically strangle Eritrea.

          • FishMilk

            Hi all. The same soft actions taken by PM Abi, even would have been taken by former PM Desalegn, as the economic survival of TPLF mafia necessitates so. PM Abiy has not taken a single hard decision that rubs against the grain of TPLF financial interests. For example, he could easily take action to start to reclaim all of the land which the TPLF and chronies have taken, but not developed, over the past three decades. He also could have removed his former TPLF boss that he did not get along with while he worked in the Intelligence and Communications department.

          • halafi mengedi

            FM,

            1 is true. 2, not so much, because in our national development, the principal and determinant factor is nonetheless our domestic reality and its robustness.

            hm

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Horizon,

      Abdurahman Sayed – Bohashem

      “The moment you see/hear a government or a leader caring for their citizens, you know they’re on the right track…Ethiopia is on the right track as far as their domestic policy is concerned. I do hope they continue on this positive track. I was moved by the new PM’s diplomatic initiatives to secure the release of his fellow citizens from prisons of countries he recently visited, the latest is Saudi Arabia, which the video footage shows.

      A government that is good to its citizens is a government that can be expected to be good to its neighbors too. The opposite can be true. A case in point here are Eritrea’s ruling thugs, who shamelessly demand ransom, and, if not met refuse to accept their fellow citizens when released by foreign governments.
      What our educated are saying ”

      What do you say?

      KS,,

    • Admassie

      Selam Horizon,

      I am not sure if I captured the logic behind the pardoning, but this has to do with EPRDF’s resolution passed in its executive(?) meeting (ግምገማ), in December(?). EPRDF has admitted it is resposible for the mess the country is caught in. It said it is going take radical corrective measures. One is, to release prisnores EPRDF is accused of convicting by citing politically motivated crime. Therefore, I think EPRDF wants to start afresh by clearng the prisons and cleansing itself from this accusations.

      It is a good step, is a huge relief to families and can help build trust between opposing stands.

      Though, I believe the essence of the pardon is as mentioned above, I am still puzzeled with similar questions like you.

      1. If a convict of corruption is released for the sake of national consensus, does it mean, currently, no one is going to be pursued and are corrupted officials going to get away with thier crime?

      2. I heard that those who are believed to have blood in their hands during the last violence will not be released.

      But it seems አህያውን ፈርተው ዳውላውን. Releasing the main instigaters, the leaders, but holding the followers, makes no sense. Either prdon all or release all.

      Admassie A.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam admassie
        If the instigator is a donkey. What r? Malnutrition looking donkey?

    • Mez

      Dear Horizon,

      “…one of the most corrupt institutions worldwide, from what i know…”

      Very interesting.

  • FishMilk

    Hi Solomon. Abi is indeed correct and you are playing with his words. He said that the people from Tigray benefitted from the outrageous corruption and nepotism of the TPLF which is indeed true and you can see it in ANY region of Ethiopia other than Tigray region.

    • Solomon

      Selam FishMilk,

      I’m saying not the whole people of Tigray benefitted but few Tigreans as well as few others. Also how can you dare accuse 10 million people of corruption is beyond me.

      Thanks.

  • Selam Solomon,
    First of all let me wish to Eritreans, a “Happy Independence Day”.

    Solomon, we have to start to move forward gradually each with his opinion, right or wrong. Ethiopia is at a new beginning, and we have to make sure that it works for everybody at least this time. The past is already becoming the domain of history, and we have to leave it there for deeper scrutiny and enlightenment on the good and bad actions of all political and economic actors up to now.

    Our people are only too similar in many ways, in their backwardness, poverty, and living under authoritarian governments, wherever they are in the four corners of the land, and yet our elites conveniently forget this fact. They are pitting one ethnic group against the other as if being born to the one or other ethnic group is the biggest lottery of nature they have won.

    Look how the world is changing before our own eyes, and history is being made, and we are still at the tribal and ethnic dark age, glorifying i do not understand what.

    Recently a biracial lady became member of the royal family (the duchess of sussex) of one of the most conservative dynasties of europe, that of the UK. She was accepted by the people of Britain with love, and many said that they never expected it will be during their lifetime, and they are happy about it.

    The above story is a beacon of hope in the world dominated by white supremacists, fascists, far-rights and all the demons of the modern world. It must teach us a lesson, which is, Ethiopians can live together and prosper together fighting bad governance, kleptocracy and wide spread corruption.

    Allow me to put this as a sideline. With the tens of billions of illicit money that was stolen, ethiopia would have achieved prosperity and harmony for its people, and she would have not begged for aid when at the same time it is said that $2-3 bn are lost every year through capital flight one way or the other. The ethiopian pm seems to be after this money. The owners and the hideouts of the money are known, and it remains to see how much he will succeed. The good thing i think is that he is young and possibly not yet fully corrupted and he may have the moral high ground to do something useful for the country.
    Thanks

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Horizon,

      ” With the tens of billions of illicit money that was stolen, Ethiopia would have achieved prosperity and harmony for its people, and she would have not begged for aid when at the same time it is said that $2-3 bn are lost every year through capital flight one way or the other.”.

      I find this number to be extremely hard to believe that between 2-3 billion dollars leaves that country every year. If this money is leaving Ethiopia, it must be in US dollars, otherwise it’s useless. Let’s say for arguments sake, the number be 1 billion dollars…that’s is a lot of money.

      If the money is being transferred illegally, then it must be done in cash otherwise it’s done in legally and the banks know about it.

      Based on my simple google search, there are about 1.20 Trillion US dollars in circulation. To keep it simple, it means there are 1000 billion dollars in circulation.

      Out of those 1000, 1 billion is leaving Ethiopia every year.

      The entire amount of money from Ethiopia coffee export does not add to 1 billion dollars.

      Where in the world is this US dollars coming from….??

      something does not add up….

      Berhe

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam berhe
        Now u talking , this people(the likes of horizon) purpose is to divert people attention from the real problem and to concentrate people attention to none existing problem by doing that u can say they r successful, one example is esat and the opposition.
        U doing a good thing by not flow with the horizon wind

        • blink

          Dear Teodrose
          Actually Horizon is right that Ethiopia lose 2-3 billion dollar every year due to capital flight through illegal means and you guys can find it if you want to check .

          Horizon is also right the Elite in general in Africa don’t care about common man. The coffee stock market was used to zoom money to fly out of Ethiopia and so do the yara deal and many other state contracts were used for money flight.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Do u know ethiopia make about 6 billion dollar a year and spend(import) about 16 billion dollars a year.
            99% of the news specially the data comes from ethiopia is fake, exaggerated or downgraded
            be it un or tabo embaki they get the information either from the gov or from the fake none gov org.
            To prove is visit ethiopia and witness the reality on the ground . if u talk to the bank personal in ethiopia they will tell u different history and different problem than the social media or tv.
            I know u don’t believe it for known reason but am just saying.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Are you suggesting PMA is saying to make people happy about getting the corrupt people ? What happens to the 10% for 27 years and yet no hard currency plus birr going to the tank . I think every African state suffers from capital flight due to different reason

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U see how the news came out twisted.
            What the pmAAA said is” those of u we know u have big money in foreign countries socially in Dubai and China so return it back and put it in ethiopia” he is mainly talking in related to the shortage of dollar.
            U see how they(the likes of horizon and u) twisted it.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I don’t know if I and Horizon misunderstood the news but I am certain that I did not twist it, besides the money flight illegally is certain and that will not change even if it is done privately or in party line , we have to wait for a democratic government.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Which news r u talking about?
            There is always anti corruption news and PmAAA or any other officials talk about it . and there is even agency about it.
            And nobody said there is no money flight illegally, what i said was the 2.3 billion every year news is extremely exaggerated like 99% of the news to divert the people attention from the real problem.
            And to make the people attention to none existed problem. That is the trick of eprdf.
            How can u get to democratic gov while the likes of horizon u fighting it?

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I have zero interest in EPRDF policy , I always see it from different perspective and that is keeping the elite responsible ,which is a common thing in people like me who see from the streets boys interest

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Again u can’t keep the elite responsible form the perspective of none existing problems.
            What u doing is keeping the ordinary people not to fight real problem and concentrate on the fake problem. And that is why u see a lot of people in ethiopia confused and don’t know what to fight.

      • Selam Berhe Y.,

        You should not be surprised at all. These numbers are not mine.

        The former president of south africa, Thabo Mbeki, had reported (2011) that ethiopia lost $11bn over a period of less than 5 yrs. The amount of financial aid ethiopia received over the last 25 yrs is said to be around $30bn.

        The method of capital flight does not seem to be difficult. One method and the simplest among many is “over- and under-invoicing of imports and exports”. Just imagine the amount of import in connection to the massive infrastructural development, and in addition exports that have been carried out over the last 2-3 decades.

        For example, if you import machinery worth $10mn and the invoice says $20mn, the difference $10mn dollars is smuggled out of the country without any problem. The same holds true for exports. If the exported item is worth $20mn and the invoice says only $10mn, again the country loses $10mn dollars. This happens hundreds of times every year due to the big developmental activity we have been seeing over the last decades and due to the increased export output. Therefore, nobody has to carry any cash.

        There are the so-called enablers and beneficiaries who are no other than government officials, party members, etc, who hold key positions in the economy, in ministries and banks.

        Have you heard of people paying in birr to families of diaspora ethiopians back home while the same amount of money is deposit for them in usa dollars or euro in foreign countries. The birr is usually the product of bribes or illegally acquired money one way or the other. Imagine the amount of remittance by diaspora ethiopians every year, about $2bn if i am not mistaken.

        These are not the only ways of illicit capital flow. There are many sophisticated ways we do not know. I could have attached a link if it were weekend.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Berhe Y. You just love defending Ethiopia and the TPLF. If only Arsenal had a defender play with the same level of dedication and conviction by which you defend Ethiopia and the TPLF, they would be champions every year.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi FM,

          Can you please stop responding to me if you have nothing to say or respond to what I write?

          This shows that you have nothing left in that you can defend or believe on. Get a life.

          Berhe

    • blink

      Dear Horizon
      I think it will be very hard for him to get any money that is out from Ethiopia, it is not easy and he will need help from western partners but he know he can not get anyone’s name from swiz and Dubai or any other banks . At this age the hiding systems are to complex and it is even more complex if the money is at the hand of corporate accounts.

      • Selam blink,

        That is what i too believe. Many are implicated, and these are strong people, and ethiopia does not have the clout to retrieve the money. I know nigeria got back some money, although i do not know how many billions. It was said that hsi had also secrete accounts, some said in billions, and now we have forgotten all about it.

        • blink

          Dear Horizon
          It’s not really easy job unless he increases his power by bringing like minded people to the table . Because the card of strong men is still in some people hands and for him to unlock any stashed money is a task that needs not 2 years but over 4 years . The listing of corporate accounts with individual accounts is simply not doable in 3 years . Even if he did not get the money back he can actually influence in stopping new money flight and I guess that is a great way to protect the public from the strong men.

  • Alex

    Hi Awatista,

    I witnessed some of the success that came out from the cooperation between Eritrea and Finland in higher education when I visited the Eritrea Institute of technology last October.

    “Eritrea has identified a need in competent teaching professionals in its higher education institutions. Many of the projects have sought to provide solutions to this very situation through curriculum development, student and staff mobility and training, research collaboration, and vast improvements in facilities.

    The aim has been to establish institutional linkages and to create cooperation
    that would benefit the young people of Eritrea. The students of the partner HEIs
    as well as the surrounding society will gain from a more qualified and well
    trained labour force.

    Within the five projects there havebeen significant, large scale, concrete
    results achieved. The projects and their main achievements are represented in
    the following “.

    255722-Higher Education Cooperation between Eritrea and Finland.pdf

  • Selam Solomon,

    Of course, tplf alone cannot be corrupt, while others remain decent citizens. That is not my point. I am saying that in addition to that, the burden of political, moral, and even legal responsibility of a government for things that happen in a country it rules (dominates), is on tplf’s side in this case.

    We all know the complaints of the people of amhara, somali state and others about the bad governance and corruption they witness in their regional governments. PMAAA in his recent visit to gambella was forced to speak openly about the big problem of the absence of good governance in the gambella regional state.

    There is a saying, even all the fingers in one’s hand are not the same, although they belong to the same person. Likewise, blanket accusation of all tplf members is not possible. Nevertheless, few rotten apples can destroy the whole group.

    As much as the fate of the tplf party is concerned, it is my opinion that it is in the hands of the people of tigray. They may renovate it or dismantle it and form a new party that represents the people of tigray and ethiopia, and not others. I too believe that tplf as a dominant party is more or less history. Nevertheless, it does not need much to become a spoiler.

    What makes me uneasy somehow is that Dr. Abiy’s effort could be hijacked by sinister individual who are ready to exploit the new situation for their ulterior motives, not from outside only, but mainly from within his own party and people. That is what he should be extremely careful about, so that he does not repeat the mistakes committed by others.

    Finally, when you say, “The mind set of our people towards corruption, laziness, narrow ethnicity and other bad culture must change.”, I say, Amen to that.
    Thanks.

  • Paulos

    Abinism,

    An “insecure” dude is not feeling the vibe and suspects the girl is zoning out somewhere else even though she is physically with him. And he says, “You’re here but your heart is with Debessay.” Hope I didn’t butcher the saying.

    • Abi

      Thx Paul
      May be the guy is an asymptote (ይጠጌ አይነኬ).
      If you don’t get it Amde will shine a light on it. Amdebrhan!

      • Amde

        Lol Ras Abi,

        የምን ጠጋ ጠጋ ነው…. (could be another amharic rendition for “Asymptote”)

        • Abi

          Amdachin
          ላይነኩ አይታከኩ !
          I hope somebody will come with a Tigrinya version.

          • Amde

            Abiቲ,

            ላያፈሉ አያራግቡ! Winter version

            ላይውጡ አያላምጡ! Ramadan themed?

            Amde

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Ras Abi,
    The news here to me is you are back and i hope you have come back with all the wittiness and wisdom intact. What I have on PM Abiy is really something I can’t help it. For worse or better, I follow the essence of the underlying character not what the character says or doesn’t say, does or doesn’t do with particularities. I may make more positive sense of him as we go if I see a characteristic direction of sorts from him. There are people who are cheering him because of the departures from what used to be of EPRDF. Departures are good when they show improvements. But not when they are not about positive changes. You shouldn’t be mad at me because whatever i say here is a single person’s opinion, and it is out of good intentions for the greater good. And my opinions are really inconsequential |Well come back.
    Hayat

  • Paulos

    Abinism,

    True but remember, he was a man of his own too with tremendous physical courage and political will not to mention natural-born Machiavellian traits as well. The mistrust he used to his own political survival, in the end became a source of his downfall when he opted to listen to the ever conceited and overly ambitious oldest daughter Princess Tenagnewerq, instead of the more thoughtful cousin Ras Emru when he urged him to set the course of Constitutional Monarchy. And if course, the rest is history as they say.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, Do you remember this
    The tragedy!

    Ethiopian Airlines Flight 409 was an international commercial flight scheduled from Beirut to Addis Ababa that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea shortly after takeoff from Rafic Hariri International Airport on 25 January 2010, killing all 90 people on board.

    The investigation and finding!
    “The final report released by the Lebanese Civil Aviation Authority stated that the flight crew mismanaged the aircraft’s speed, altitude, and heading. The crew’s flight control inputs were inconsistent and these resulted in the loss of control of the aircraft. The crew failed to abideby Crew Resource Management principles.”
    The Challenge!
    ”The airline challenged the statements as biased, firmly convinced that the aircraft experienced an onboard explosion, based on eyewitness evidence of “a fireball falling into the sea”,
    So, What really happened? Simply Mind-blowing!!!

    • King Ezana

      Selamat Nitricc: you are killing me here. So, what is the story? I heard wild things but now, you have ignited my curiosity. Can you please tell us what you know or think happened.
      Cheers!

  • blink

    Dear abi
    Suddenly your queen is having bad day , ahm too late

  • Selam Abi,

    Tplf may have lost a battle but not the war. That maybe what it thinks. We have been hearing accusations and character assassination, and now even his family is targeted, and this phenomenon will continue for at least two years. I hope he survives and withstands all the sinister things that are going to be said about him during the coming elections. There must be an important reason we mortals do not know, why he is hated, demeaned and demonized so much.

    Be sure his government will be undermined and discredited mainly by tplf, especially now he is cutting and throwing away the old branches (sebhat nega) and others from the tplf tree, and investigating foreign bank accounts, which affects mainly tplf officials. Far from power, it must be a painful experience, and tplf is going to be furious and vicious.

    PM Abiy is gradually replacing ethnic nationalism with Pan-Ethiopian Nationalism, thus forging peace and harmony between all ethiopians, for which they are going to hate him, because it closes the way of divide and conquer.

    He is taking ethiopia’s relations with neighboring countries to a higher level, acquiring port stakes and other economic cooperations. The release of ethiopian prisoners from sudanese and saudi jails are ignored as insignificant, because these prisoners are not hard criminals, cut throats or mass killers. Funny, who wants back hard criminals? They are lost to ethiopia and they are lost to humanity.

    Bringing back home from prison just one person is a big achievement. A country that denies the very existence of its citizens, of course, does not bother itself to look for its lost children. Thanks Lord, ethiopian governments up to now have done their best to collect and bring back the scattered children of ethiopia whenever they required help.

    PMAAA is doing the good job of winning the hearts and minds of ethiopians, unlike the “my way or the highway” through killings and disappearances. That is the ethiopia of yesteryears ethiopians never want to see again.

    Wollo – tigray are not far from each other, wolloye – tigrayan not much difference really, they speak each other’s language. Conclusion: oromo people, do not be fooled; do not believe that an oromo is at the helm of power. It is a tplf faking oromo. Go and get the fake person. With the confusion tplf will come back to power again as your savior, and it will rule for a hundred years. Tplf may have lost power but it is not defeated and it will continue to fight, and it will undermined PMAAA government until it fails.

    Why this person is targeted is a mystery to me. They might think that he is a soft target and the easiest. It will not be easy with the opdo or andm parties. They might have in mind of using his own power base against him by discrediting him.

    Finally, is it possible to wish success to a person you have no good words to say about, and in actual fact you do not want him to succeed?

    • blink

      Dear Horizon
      So finally the day has come to know the evil from the good wishing. I agree with your views about the man and his bad , hungry enemies. I hope the lose the war too because what ever happened from now TPLF will never be like a year ago . The man needs time as the problem are not today’s problem, the problems were created in a 27 years and he needs time to set his foot on solving them . Really TPLF are all about killing people and they are done with it because the people have been told they can no longer be ignored.

    • Abi

      Hi Horizon
      As you put it it is a new day in Ethiopia. The future is even better. If Hayat is crying just because someone from TPLF or a ” person who is receiving orders from TPLF is not at the helm, all I can do is pass the Kleenex and say ajoki!

    • Admassie

      Selam Horizon,

      The new energy we see over the people is a good hope for change.

      Personally I am glad to see PMAA is an acquaintance with people like Dr Mihret Debebe who is advocating “a change in citizen is a change in society and ultimately a change in a nation”

      “እኔ ስልወጥ አገር ትለወጣለች።”

      I hope this creates a motivation in the youth and broadens nation wide.

      But, የወደቀ ግንድ ምሳር ይበዛበታል እንዲሉ what we are seeing in the town that “for everything bad TPLF is responsible” and “now is our time” kind of tone will not help us to the new hope a country is holding on.

      Therefore,
      1. What makes you think that the PMAA’s government will be undermined and discredited by TPLF? Do you have any indication from the organization or its officials that makes you believe so?

      2. Why do you think the investigation ( if any is in progress), in foreign bank accounts affects mainly TPLF officials? Are you saying most of the corrupted officials are from TPLF only? If so, would you mind to tell how you know it?

      Last Sunday, me and my neighbors had የእድር ስብሰባ, our monthly social obligation.

      A discussion turned to last Saturday’s event, PMAA’s unexpected speech in the Millennium hall. In the middle of our heated discussion, I found two cases that reflects ጭፍን ማጥላላት of TPLF .

      1. One of our neighbor’s daughter is studying medicine in Meqele University. Unfortunately, her father says, she could not make home last Christmas, because, she was unhappy and angry for she got F in a subjuct. Her father ascribes the incident to a conspiracy by TPLF to get revange on የመሃል አገር ሰዎች. The reason he said so is not that his daughter got an F, but there were nine more students with similar grade, which is unusuall for him and could not get other explanations.

      2. A neighbor from Gondar, also cites መቶ አለቃ ገ/ህይወት as an agent of TPLF to kill አማራዎችን in the dergue era.

      It happens that I know the person around the end of the 70s while i was in elementary grade.

      መቶ አለቃ ገ/ህይወት was a notorious
      brutal killer under the command of ሻለቃ መላኩ ተፈራ. He was አውራጃ አስተዳዳሪ of ስሜን ጎንደር where my home town was part. He, with his subordinate, ባሻ ታረቀኝ, has thrown uncounted number of youth in ሌማሊሞ ገደል.

      I have seen his brutality when people from my town being mudered in front of us forced to gather in a market area. ገ/ህይወት was tigrie but he saved no one! He was a member of the dergue like Fisseha Desta.

      My point is, እነዚህን የመሰሉ ጭፍን ውንጀላና ኢ-ምክንያታዊ ትችቶች ስሜትን አሻክሮ ከሚያራርቀን በቀር አዲስ ለተፈጠረው ሃገራዊ ስሜት የሚበጅ አይደለም። ምክንያቱም ከድርጅቱ ጀርባ በሚልዮን የሚቆጠሩ ደጋፊ ዜጎች አሉ። እናም ሌላ ዙር አዲስ አኩራፊ ወገን እየፈለፈልን ላለመሄዳችን እርግጠኞች እንሁን።

      Admassie A.

      • Selam Admassie,

        I do not think that PMAAA will have an easy ride as much as tplf is concerned, a party that fought tooth and nail to control ethiopia by pitting one ethnic group against the other and monopolized the political and economic power over quarter century. It is not going to be happy to lose power and i believe that it is not ready to wish the pm’s office success with all its heart.

        This is a rare phenomenon in africa. Remember, the military, the security and the bureaucracy are still in tplf’s hands, and the soe gives it a lot of power. This is a weight tied to PMAAA leg that does not let him move forward easily. Until the tplf system and the military and the security that are formed to serve tplf’s interest and not the country are dismantled and becomes ethiopian with free access to higher position depending on meritocracy and not nepotism, the government is going to be undermined and discredited at every stage of its duration. This way they will try to sustain the status quo without the title.

        Let’s not forget that tplf had the political and economic monopoly in the country and it had both the knife and the cake and it was taking the biggest possible portion from everythings. None of the tplf officials when they arrived at addis ababa in 1991 were rich businessmen, but poor fighters, and what they own today as listed by people who know their economic power and parastatals managed by tplf officials without any control says a lot.

        Now, if i am asked how i know money is smuggled from the country (any african country for that matter), one must be part of the system to know how and where money is secretly deposited. It needs a hacker similar to the one who brought forward the panama papers and others.

        Even good-willing governments could not travel through the labyrinth of illegal money outflow, let alone individuals. Simply because it is difficult to prove, it does not mean that their are not thieves and criminals, because the real story as much as money is concerned is always different from what embezzlers tell us. If somebody says that tplf officials were the philosopher kings (officials) that ruled ethiopia, nobody is going to believe them.

        Maybe you know the story of the roman officer who lay wounded on the battlefield. When a roman soldier saw flies devouring his flesh, he tried to drive them away. That was when the officer told him not to bother the flies. ‘You see these flies already have enough of my flesh and blood, and they are not as painful as they were at the start. If you drive them away, new and hungry flies will come in and replace them, and they will start to drink my blood and cut pieces of my flesh, and I am going to suffer again.’ This things happen in politics.

        Of course, i do not condone a policy of stagnation, giving privilege to old dictators and kleptocrats, etc, nevertheless, saints did not rule ethiopia over the last quarter century, and tplf had shown its teeth on many occasions. Well, others have also done their share of the embezzlement and theft. “ያባትህ ቤት ሲዘረፍ አብረህ ዝረፍ፣” is only too ethiopian.

        Of course, things out of the ordinary could be said by individuals about tplf and this cannot be avoided, but blanket amnesty without pointing out what really happened will simply make ethiopia and ethiopians to repeat the same mistake.

        • Solomon

          ሰላም Horizon
          ከምን ተነስተህ TPLF ዶር አቢይ እንዲሳካለት አይፈልግም እንደምትል አይገባኝም። ጭራሽ እንዳይሳካለት የተቻላቸውን ሁሉ ያደርጋሉ እያልክ ነው። ምንድነው ምክንያቱ? ከዶ/ር አቢይ ውድቀት TPLF ምን ሊያገኝ? ከአሁን በኃላ ሕወሐት ተመልሶ እንደድሮ ስልጣን እንደማይዝ ህወሀትም የትግራይ ህዝብም ያውቀዋል። ህወሀት ይህን ባያውቅና ባይቀበል ኖሮ ስልጣኑን አያስረክብም ነበር ብየ አስባለሁ። እንደ አንድ ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የምኖር ትግራዋይ ሕወሐት ሙሉ ለሙሉ ስልጣን በማስረከቡ በጣም ደስተኛ ነኝ። የብዙ ትግራዋይ ስሜትም ይህን ይመስለኛል። ብዙ ትግሬዎች ስለማውቅ። ህወሀት ስልጣን በመያዙ የትግራይ ህዝብ ከሌላ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ የተለየ ጥቅም ያገኘው የለም። አሁን ደግሞ የሚያጣው አለ ብየ አላምንም። ይልቁንም ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ ላለው ሌብነትና ዝርፍያ እሱ ብቻ ሲወነጀል ኖራል። ጉቦና ዝርፍያ ለኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ያስትማሩት ትግሬዎች እስኪመስል። ሌሎች አንተ ከላይ እንዳልከው “ያባትህ ቤት ሲዘረፍ ….”” በሚል ብሂል ብቻ እንደ ዘረፉ በማስመሰል። “ሲሾም ያልበላ ሲሻር ይቆጨዋል” የሚለው ማንኛውም የአንደኛ ደረጃ ተማሪ አፍ መፍቻ የሆነ አባባል ትግሬ የፈጠረው እስኪመስል። የዘረፈ ትግራዋይ የለም እያልኩ አይደለም። በዝርፍያ ይጠየቅ ከተባለ TPLF TPLF ብቻ ማለት ሳይሆን ሁሉም በሙስና የተሳተፈ መባል አለበት።
          ዋናው ሀሳቤ ማለት የፈለግኩት ግን የዘረፈውም ያልዘረፈውም ፣ ህወሀትም ሆነ ያልሆነ ማንኛውም ትግራዋይ ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ በሰላም መኖር የሚችለው ኢትዮጵያ ሰላም ስትሆን ፣ ኢትዮጵያ ሰላም የምትሆነውም ጠ/ሚ ዶ/ር አቢይ አህመድ ሲሳካላቸው ነው። ከ ዶ/ር አቢይ ውድቀት የሚጠቀም ማንኛውም ትግራዋይ ስለሌለ ህወሀት ይህንን ይመኛል ብየ አላስብም። ይልቁንም ከዚህ በፊት ትለው እንደነበር ሕወሐት አሁን በልኩ ተስተካክሏል። ነገር ግን በዚህ ያልረኩ ለሕወሐትና በሕወሐት ምክንያትም ለትግራይ ህዝብ ከፍተኛ ጥላቻና ቂም ያላቸው ጥቂት የማይባሉ ጽንፈኛ ትምክህተኞች እንደዚህ የብዙ ትግሬዎች ደም ሳይፈስ የሰላም ጭላንጭል መታየቱ ደስ ያላቸው አይመስለኝም። ስለዚህ እነዚህ ሀይሎች ናቸው ዶ/ር አቢይ እንዲሳካላቸው የማይፈልጉት። ልክ የሕወሐት ስልጣን በልኩ እንደተከረከመ ሁሉ የእነዚህ ሰዎችም ጉራና ትምክህት ከተከረከመ ብቻ ሰላም የሚገኘው አገራችን ውስጥ።

          • Selam solomon,

            For what happened in ethiopia over the last quarter century, the tplf, which was the head of the eprdf government has the political and moral responsibility and also the responsibility for allowing tplf officials and others to function above the law. If tplf had not opened the door and shown the way, and was not participating in the plunder, billions of dollars would have not been said to have been smuggled out of ethiopia over the years. They were at the key political, economic, military and security positions, and nothing happened without the knowledge of tplf. Ethiopia is not finland, or any of the other democratic scandinavian countries. It is an african country, where with power comes corruption and kleptocracy.

            If we say that tplf does not have political and economical interest any more, it means two things, either, they had enough of both, and they may not want to continue as a political party. Both are impossible to believe. What is the aim of a political party? – to ascend to power, otherwise there is no reason for its existence. A political party’s dream for political power ends when it stops to exist. Remember, there is always the possibility of using minor parties and lording over them. Eprdf was such a party in the hands of tplf – marionettes that danced to tplf’s music.

            Your sentiment about the situation is the sentiment of the majority of the people of tigray, and ethiopians know very well that tplf is not the people of tigray and the people of tigray are not tplf. They are the victims like all ethiopians. Those who say that the people of tigray has gained from tplf are not telling the truth for their own sinister reasons. The rich are tplf officials and not the people of tigray, who have nothing to lose if tplf is gone, as you rightfully said. Rather, they were used by tplf.

            If you have read my previous comments, there was no time whatsoever when i said that tplf and the people of tigray are the same, and this is what all ethiopian believe. Ethiopians will stand with the people of tigray if somebody wants to burden the people with the sins of tplf. Be sure about that. Those who try to intimidate tigrayans are scoundrels who think that they can exploit the situation to vent their antisocial behavior. Do not worry about such people, they will pass as they come.

            My problem is with the tplf officials who enriched themselves, facilitated and landlocked ethiopia, the main reason we will continue to have problem in the region, and undermined ethiopia’s unity instead of strengthening it, as if other times were not going to come.

            Finally, Dr. Abiy is talking of an inclusive government, ethiopia that belongs to her people, wherever they may reside, and he dreams of a peaceful and prosperous future. I like to hear that. I am not going to question that at this point. From words to actions – that is the way. We will see, if he means what he says, and if he can deliver.
            Thanks.

            P.S. (Sorry for not using amharic font. It is somehow difficult for me and time consuming).

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Horizon,

            Will you be part of the solution this time? It seems the climate is perfect ..will you participate?

            You were complaining and complaining during the past, when I use to tell you it is a processes of some kind and Ethiopia is better than Eritrea. I was optimistic change will come and that is what happened,,here is the energetic and peace loving young guy with complete cabinet Dr. Abiy..

            KS..

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Do you remember the arab spring? It was like a forest fire. It started in tunisia and reached as far away as yemen.
            Is it possible to say that the change in ethiopia might be contagious, and next year the guy addressing eritreans from godana harnet on independence day could be a young charismatic leader full of hope and dreams?
            There is a time limit for everything. This is the right time the old generation leaves the scene for the young and the energetic generation. Senility is gradually coming up on them, if they are not already senile.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yep Horizon,

            Eritrean case will be different..

            And you should remember, that Ethiopia was going with its constitution more or less democratic system was there, but our system is dictator… the mafia should be remover by force.

            KS,,

        • FishMilk

          Hi Horizon. Do you think Ethiopia will have their elections in 2020 or will they be delayed by the TPLF? Maybe they will use the excuse of no cencus having been undertaken as a reason. Regarding PM Abiy he is simply and truly a TPLF puppet whose actions so far are totally scripted and predictable.

      • woldeab

        Selam Admassie:

        Are you talking about the Miheret Debebe who used to lead the EELPA?

        Thanks,

        • Admassie

          Selam Woldeab,
          No. He is a another person. He is a psychiatrist.

          • woldeab

            Admassie:
            Thanks. I know about the Psychiatrist too but for some reason I was thinking about those who were victimized by TPLF in the recent past.
            Thanks

      • Amde

        Selam Admassie,

        I am really intrigued by this Dr. Mihret Debebe and his apparent access to and friendship with Dr. Abiy.

        Political leaders having primary counsellors who are politicians, military bosses, ideologues are not unusual. A political leader being counselled by a Psychiatrist is new, at least for us.

        Abiy’s speeches and performance so far can be considered that of a national shrink-in-chief. Most of us can be forgiven for thinking his speeches reek of popular psychology and even platitudes. But it is intriguing to imagine what a set of policy choices and objectives driven by psychological (as opposed to lets say economic or geo-strategic) goals would look like.

        It turns out Dr. Mihret has a number of interviews all over the internet, and I believe he has published a couple of well received books. Coincidentally, a couple of weeks ago, I was listening to an interview he had made with one of the new TV shows partly on the theme of excellence. Abiy’s recent lecture/speech/presentation to the ministers on the topic of excellence had given me a sense of deja vu, and now I know where it was from.

        The event last Saturday at Millenium hall was apparently planned by Dr. Abiy and Dr. Mihret before the former’s ascendance to the PM’s chair. Formally, Abiy was just the head of the OPDO office – so technically nothing would require him to be working on something like this. So, if he was involved from its inception, that must mean it was something that he did out of conviction.

        For an EPRDF born out of a leftist narrative of people’s fates being decided by objective material conditions and exploitative socio-economic systems, this very subjective, personal psychology centered politics would be very weird.

        Amde

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          Frantz Fanon was a Psychiatrist turned political activist turned political theorist. On the other hand, it became a source of menace and evil when a Psychiatrist turned politician–the notorious Serbian Psychiatrist Radovan Karadzic comes to mind.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos

            Well.. a rather ominous prospect then haha…

            The plot thickens

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Very true. I sure don’t know Dr. Mihret from Adam so to speak and one can only hope he won’t pull Rasputin on PMAA. There appears to be an illusion of owning a license of truth with in medical experts partly because society revere them with the highest esteem. Examining political dynamics with in the dichotomy of “Normal and Abnormal” is not only a misplaced diagnostic tool but leads to a dangerous prognosis as well. PMAA should surround himself with expert-technocrats instead. I say.

          • Admassie

            Selam Paulos,

            Your point the PMAA should surround himself with expert-technocrats is valid.

            My understanding from his series of discusions with Sheger FM radio, his books and the presentations he made as invited guest in some forums is that Dr. Mihret is not in to politics. His main focus, I think, is how to bring behavioral change in our society.

            But I am sensing he may have some sort of influence on the PM regarding the need to work on the behavior of citizens, especially of the youth. If it is so, then, it is commendable and I am eager to see if the influence could bring a policy framework.

            Admassie A.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            In my mind, there is politics and there is governance. Technical experts are good for governance.

            But to me, politics is primarily a psychological realm. One can say it is almost a mathematical art of “will aggregation”. Gathering support. Creating consensus and so forth.

            I don’t see Dr. Mihret as passing judgement on Normal vs Abnormal. Probably more of the “How to relate to this constituency vs that”

            The speeches of last weekend were quite interesting. It was clear Dr. Abiy has chosen to sidestep the historically thorny issues, and claim the youth as his focus. He quoted 29,000,000 as the number of Ethiopians currently in the educational system.. that is astounding. Dr. Mihret is telling them to have aspirational outlook. Dr. Abiy tells them it is legitimate for any one of them “እንደኔ አይነት ህልመኛ” to aspire to the highest office in the land.. a message he repeated to his own ministers by the way.

            But the cautionary note is good though. I am gonna have to stock up on some Dr. Mihret speeches and literature.

            Amde

        • Admassie

          Selam Amde,

          The first time I heard Dr. Mihret was a few years back in his discussion with MeAza Beru. It was on her Sunday morning Sheger FM radio program. I think he is still a regular guest.

          His first Amharic book “የተቆለፈበት” (fiction) is an extension of his discussions.

          I felt excited and I said “aha!” when I saw PMAA on the stage, not because of his sudden appearance, but the notion that SOME ONE is behind.

          I agree he is doing it out of conviction, but I would say what a coincidence! Now he is in a position where he can make a big difference for a country at a crossroad.

          We expect our politicians to be creative and this could be one way to looking out of the usual political maneuver, by a help of a psychiatrist, in initiating citizens for change in our way of thinking.

          So far people are listening his speech as he is a Messiah. His speechs could be full of platitudes, but for now, it is what people want hearing.

          It is said that we may see similar event organized by Dr. Mihret including the PM again in three or four months time.

          Let us say መጨርሻውን ያሳምርልን። አሜን።

          Admassie A.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Gash Amde –

          Just on factual basis – Dr Abiy used to come as a presenter on Dr. Mehret “mind- set” lectures organised every month at the Continental hotel ( I think 300 birr entrance fee) – starting maybe end of 2017 or begining of 2018. So – yes – he did it out of conviction.
          And both follow the protestant church and seems they do preaching at different levels. The expirience of leading motivational and behavioural change seminars seems to be there in both cases. Dr. Mehret as Admassie said made his name through Radio shows and his books ( I didn’t read any )

          If you have time check out Selome – a talk show on Fana Tv – yes she is the famous Selome who was the spokesperson during the Ethio-Eritrean war. Her format is very good. And of course – Min Letazez – an amazing short sitcom- very poltical.

          Cheers,

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            In a country like Ethiopia, what the average youth needs is not some BS and lofty inspirational speech but opportunities as in jobs, jobs and jobs. Again, Ethiopia doesn’t need the so called “Self Help” gurus who would milk you for whatever you’re worth.

            Here is the deal: There is no short cut in life. Life is tough and one needs to deal with it. It doesn’t make a dent whether someone tells you that if you think positive, things will be okay. No. Things will be ok if you work hard and try to solve your own problems. I am not saying that, positive thinking doesn’t help but one has to man up and face problems and try to solve them. 300 Birr? Are you kidding me?

          • Kaddis

            Hi Paulos –

            You are totaly wrong. People in the west reached to your level of conclusion after consuming all the inspirational books and shows for decades. Its the confusion most diaspora has of whats relevant back home and in your corner. We need all the self awareness and hope filled speechs out there. The protestant churches are miliking the society’s ignorance but the same society is being radicalised by a single facebook post. Research what happened in Erecha 2016 – when a helicopter was throwing good will papers but reported as bullets. Oromia wide rage followed. Facotries were burnt. People need to be preached to own the jobs out there. People need to be lectured on veryfiying news, facts, hope, ownership etc..

            The current government did all the fundamentals right – economy, security and social services. It sucks in governance. Sucks more in media, narratives, sound-bites, selling hope, love, aspirations etc…
            Thats why the Shashemene youth burnt thier only water purifying plant. There is a shortage of man power in Hawassa, kombolcha and Dukem industry zones. Komobolcha industry zone is already filled to capacity and being expanded by the investors money. Micheal Kors started exporting from Kombolcha…can you imagine?
            But ..but but …people cry day and day out in a growing and protected business enviroment. Imagine when the growth dip in the coming years. There is no foriegn society in competition. 100 million market just for Ethiopians. If PMAA invests in the governance, new era type of speeches – selling hope and inspiration – I truley understand. People need to see inwards. There is too much toxic vibe in the air …just toxic. What is 300 birr for Ethiopian middle class? its 10 dollars. You have no idea how much money is being made here …

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            You got a point. Thanks.

          • Amde

            Selam Kaddis,

            This is a really good post.

            Thanks

          • Admassie

            Selam Kaddis,

            I gree to the need of motivational speech and the importance of inducing hope. We need to hear about our unity equally to that of our diversity. We want to hear our history be told in away that is not provoking and sensetional. That all is good.

            But, we need more. Those mentioned above and other motivational and popular talks could create a positive attitude in people momentarily.

            However, if the change we are looking for is an ever lasting one, we need a total behievioral transformation. And that needs more than inspiring speech.

            It needs policy. It needs concensus among stakeholders. It needs mobilisation of resource and people. It needs an orchestrated effort.

            This seems long and arduous toil. But there is no shortcut to the better Ethiopia we are hoping for, except to march through the hard terrain.

            Here are two simple examples to hint you to the gist of my ዙሪያ ጥምዝ ሀተታ.

            1. Once, some where in Europe, I had to extend my expired visa. Unfortunately, I had to travel 200 km by train to the capital of the region. Again, unfortunately, the convenient time I had was one Thursday afternoon. The calculation I made guranteed me only 20 minutes by the time I arrived at the office. Well I went. And voila! I got my visa extended.

            Here are the breakdowns.
            1. The trust worthiness of the bureaucracy is guaranteed
            2. Working hour is guaranteed
            3. A working system is guaranteed

            2. Again in the same country, I had to renew my passport. Ethiopan embassy sent me back the renewed one in a registered post. I went to the postal office to collect and a person behind the counter asked me politely for my ID card. I told him it is in the envelope in is hand. He gave me the envelope with out any hesitation, but asked me to show him my passport to make sure I am the owner.

            Think how this scenario would have gone if it were in Ethiopia.

            The breakdowns are፡
            1. Trust is guaranteed in between
            2. Sound commonsense

            In conclusion, I am saying we need policy priority again and again for the fear that we might be caught in the momentary of euphoria and become shortsighted while the real problem is out of focus.

            Admassie A.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Admassie and Kaddis,

            To some degree speaking of hope and positive motivational talk is important but as Paulos said, sound short and long term public policy that shapes the future of the country to a solid ground is required.

            For example, Rwanda Vision2020 focused in 44 areas where the country focused development with tangible and measurable goals, in order to lift the county to middle income by 2020. As a result now, Rwanda is one of the best countries in Africa to do business.

            Today I saw in FB that it partners with Aresenal to display in the team logo Visit Rwanda.

            When I hear this non sense from the crying baby PFDJ that after 27 years, they claim we are new country non sense really kills me.

            People can not even locate where Eritrea is, but Rwanda in about the same time frame with all the genecide, they have transformed the country to one of the fastest growing economy in Africa and growing tourist destination.

            It’s become top destination for business conferences? How on Earth it could have done that, compared to Addiss? With Ethiopian airlines having all the direct flights, with being host to AU and the UN?

            Now it’s encourching into the airline business, and Ethiopian need to watch out?

            Don’t get me wrong, I am glad to see Rwanda succeed but it all has to do with sound policy and grand vision, and see through it gets implemented and measured throughly.

            Berhe

          • Admassie

            Selam Berhe,

            Thanks. I am fully in agreement to your opinion of Rwanda. ቅናት ሊገለን ደርሷል።

            I think we have similar long term goal set initially as GTP 1 and now we are at GTP 2 (Growth and Transformaton Program). The vision is to bring Ethiopia to middle income country in 2025.

            That is the grand vision. Though we are dragging our legs because of so many factors, but I can cite one basic element and that is we citizens have not fully embraced it. It is not that we do not understand what a prosperous middle income country means, rather we are not comprehending that it is only our individual and collective hard work that makes the vision happens.

            I am back again to the performance of the individual us. We do not think we individuals matter. As usual it is the duty of the state. We view the state as huge and mighty, but we do not know that power is us. Otherwise, a state is just an agreement of citizens on paper called CONSTITUTION.

            One example፡
            Improving the chronic housing problem is one of the goals set in the GTP.

            Addis Ababa is marked by its huge condo projects. It is very commendable of the government for its idea and political commitment in alleviating the problem.

            But, its implementation is, sadly, poorly performed. One could say there is nothing that works properly. Had that poor performace been cited to some projects only, we may say this could be due to corruption, poor performace of certain contractor or consultant or we may give other excuses.

            But that is not the case. All projects are in bad shape. This one
            case alone can illustrate how poor our level of performance is individually as well as collectively.

            You can find all the symptoms in our physical and social infrastructures, services, political activities down to our personal life.

            Thanks.
            Admassie A.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Admassie,

            Thank you for the detailed reply. For example, if you look at the visa requirements for Ethiopia and Rwanda, Ethiopia has a lot of catching up to do. Specially for African countries. Ethiopia does not allow visa on arrival for almost the whole continent where us Rwanda is doing so for almost every country in the world. In the city where I live, I have never met or encountered with anyone from Rwanda. Where has Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somali are in the plenty. So that’s telling the aspiration and the general view of the population. I think in our side of the world (probably more in Eritrea) that, any hope to have a normal life is expected that, one has to leave the country.

            In terms of the housing and construction, I really do not know. But I heard about problems in quality, delay, high cost, etc. Ethiopia is probably being pressured due to population growth and urbanization but I think that’s also real opportunity for the success. As far as quality, I think if the development is left to the private entities and the government focus on policy, quality (using standards and inspection etc…) then it will eventually gets better.

            In general terms, I can’t understand how the housing cost have exploded in Addis Abeba. Millions of birr for single doweling homes, I can’t put my head around it. It does not reflect the living standard of the country and it will be for sure main reason for corruption.

            With labor relatively cheap in Ethiopia and most raw materials can be sourced locally…should housing cost so much?

            As much as the growth is impressive, but inflation is eating away a lot of the growth that’s made.

            In one of my self help course of Tony Robins he use Japan as an example. He talks about how General MacArthur help change Japan in short time. He said, Japan was totally different, specially with quality and productivity and General MacArthur brought American engineers to help change the country.

            Berhe

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berne Y. You continually defend Ethiopia’s economy and banking system and yet pretend to not have any idea as to why housing costs are so high in Addis Ababa. Over the past two decades the TPLF and those connected (mainly from Tigray) have entered into investment agreements wherein they grab land, in every corner of Ethiopia, do nothing with it other than hold it, take their investment as collateral to the Commercial Bank of Ethiopia to leverage loans to construct and rent residential or commercial buildings in Addis Ababa. Thus, Ethiopia’s totally corrupted investment process has for several years led to spiraling and artificially high real estate prices in Addis Ababa.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            In 2015 and 16 One of football club in ethiopia was a partner with aresenal with similar kind of deal .

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Teodros,

            I was referring to “Visit Rwanda” being in the Arsenal team jersey. I don’t know the similarities with Ethiopian foot ball club.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            There is ethiopian beer(dashan)logo on every arsenal promotional marketing’s. Is not same but similar and it’s hard to see it with u know.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear TA.

            I was not aware and it’s my lack of knowledge. I didn’t even know there is a beer named Dashan:).

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            I can tell u how i laugh when u , p and admassie talk about dr Abiy inspirational speech .
            Indoctrination and positive mind set is two different.
            Indoctrination tried for the last 45. Someting years and failed.

          • Kaddis

            Gash Admassie –

            I totaly agree. The problem is our political and discussion enviroment in general doesn’t allow us to agree on what is working and what is not. Let alone policy direction.
            So – there must be a breathing space to ctiticaly discuss whats possible.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Positive mindset means peace which is directly related to jobs,jobs jobs.
            One of the effective way to have a positive mind set is inspirational speech.
            With twisted mind set u can’t have peace means u can’t have jobs.

          • Amde

            Selam Kaddis,

            Thank you that is very interesting information.

            I think the last time I heard Dr. Mehret speak (prior to the Saturday Millenium hall speech) was a discussion about excellence on the FanaTV talk show. I was not aware it was THE Selome though.

            On the “Min Letazez” show… I really like it. Are you saying it is a Dr. Mihret show? The show has a sharp bite to it, and I would not associate it with Dr. Mehret.

            I am curious now to know if you Kaddis had attended any of the Continental Hotel lectures and what you thought.

            Thank you again

            Amde

          • Kaddis

            Selam Amde –
            Min Letazez is not related to Dr. Mehret – I was just sharing hoping you will like it. There political satire is ‘Geday’ as the young ones say.

            I never attended the lectures but I know some friends were a regular. I depend a lot on Awate.com for my readings and motivation ::-)

            Dr Meheret also spoke about it on the ‘Sheger Shelf’ radio programme Sunday morning and it was indeed very sucessful – sold out lectures.

            The young and educated business class was its audience – and his main objective seems to break the herd / group mentality which is killing the critical thinking capacity of our society.
            He lives between here and the US – I think he did 4 or 5 lectures so far.

          • blink

            Dear Kaddis
            I have one question that is out side of any thing you guys commenting in here. Who owns ENN TV ,I know it is private Tv that is available in Nilesat but does its owner has some connection with the EPRDF old guards ? Just throw something

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            enn registered by the name of biniam kebede(ethiopia first.com) but andem(bereket, alemnhu) is behind it.
            It is weird right?

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Yes too weird , thanks sir for the info.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Another weird walta.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Again two weird going to die sooner because the hate campaign time is already gone.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            The campaign is not over but will minimize .Pay attention. They do it on purpose.

          • Kaddis

            Hi blink –

            ENN is like FANA – owned by some kind of endowment but registered under certain loyalists as a private company. I heard it was a project of Bereket Simon – not confirmed – who lost hope with the national TV , ETV. They have a good editorial outlook but seems biased towards the Amhara region . Just my view. And all thier journalists seems ex-Amhara TV.

          • blink

            Dear Kaddis

            Thanks sir .

    • Hope

      Selam Dr Horizon:
      An Interesting commentary and analysis.

      Do you know who said or has been saying all along what Dr Abiy is saying and doing?

      Pick a guess!

      This is what I found from the YouTube,by none,but Ethiopians :
      “Dr Abiy Ahmed Isayas Afewerki”!

      Dr Abiy’s Right man said this too:

      ” We have been calling for a peaceful dialogue with the GoE and we will keep doing so..”!
      ” Our dilemma or debate now is wether we will be stuck with the Five-Point-Plan or look for an alternative one”!

      Meaning?

      “Get out of Baduma UNCONDITIONALLY!” and then the same afternoon,the Mutual normalization will jump-start and all the ” Outstanding ” issues shall be resolved(Courtesy of Amb Gihirmay Asmerom,RIP).

      Fair enough?

      It wil cost Ethiopia nothing but Ethiopia shall be rewarded abundantly diplomatically,politically and economically and Dr Abiy shall win the Nobel Peace Prize and that further shall be a great reward for Ethiopia and Ethiopians in particular and for Africa and Africans in general!

      Guess who will be the loser?
      Only PIA!
      As far as Dr Abiy’s status and future is concerned vis-a-vis the TPLF,mark my word that Dr Abiy shall come up as a Winner for the following reasons:
      -The TPLF shall be dismantled as an Organzation and as a Party after dismantling its powerful Leadership base,which he already half way achieving that.

      -The National Security,the Polic included,and the Defense Department /System are being transferred to non-TPLF Groups

      -The Finance and Banking Branches are being taken over by non-TPLF “Gang”

      -The Ethiopian Public and the Parliament shall rally behind him if he continues his Agenda of strenghring the Unity and the Economy of the Country by getting rid of the Ethnic based Federal System and Self-centered opportunist and corrupted TPLF Economic System.
      Etc…,,
      The above are happening as we speak,which we never expected to happen in such lightening speed of Light

  • Mez

    Dear Taazabi,

    We African dress either modest, or naked–depending on the weather, and location.

    Thanks

  • saay7

    Selamat Berhe:

    I like all your ideas except one part: the government. All the activities you mentioned are the job of the private sector and the government should not be subsidizing anything that is not a public good. What about people who hate bikes and bikers: why should they subsidize them? Just think if the GoE had stopped its bixifrina halewlew and allowed the Italian company to lay the railroad tracks in 1996? We wouldn’t still be using steam-engine trains as the rest of the world is leapfrogging to bullet trains. All they got out of it is some good press from what Samuel calls “Western ‘experts’ who are so incurably orientalist that they think we should squat in the waiting room of history until such time that we mature enough to deserve civil and political rights.”

    saay

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Saay,

      I just read your “Eritrea digest” about your Camboni era. Very interesting. By the way where is Gebriel Guangul? One of my favorite writers. We miss him.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear saay,

      Ok. I get you.

      We are talking about publicly elected accountable government. And the government of the day makes it at election agenda and get voted it, then it will implemented. It’s impossible to get 100 percent agreement for any thing.

      It will not be any different than your publicly funded library :), or public school, or public hospital.

      Berhe

      • saay7

        Berhe Y:

        Whatever gave you the idea my library would be Gov library? ቱፍ በሎ! It is not even a library: it’s a book shop-hookah-deli-dama-domino-blackjack-poker room.

        saay

        • Paulos

          Sal,

          Read your super reflection on Comboni. In 1974, I was in grade one [Comboni] and my teacher almost in all the classes was Memhir Kidane, not sure if you remember him. He said something to my father I never forget. Because of something I said in his class, he suggested I should study Law when I grow up. That thing got stuck in my head till later years but Law didn’t work out, maybe it is because I am too shy around people let alone to defend cases around judges.

  • Kaddis

    Greetings Hayat
    Any changes towards PM Abiy ::-) The ladies here are going crazy. I like his mind set intervention yesterday : on respect for women and shared leadership.
    Cheers,

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Kaddis,
      Well, I’m not seeing what those ladies are seeing. All I am seeing is non-eprdfite artist trying to make impressions out of everything. Not that he should have been one but the guy sounds different from what the EPRDF was. In his last meeting with his cabinet members and a power point presentation (funny:), I wonder what he was trying to show. He was lecturing his captive audience on all of what he thought he knew. It was not about him being right or wrong that is the issue here; his CEO style lecture was irrelevant to Ethiopia’s fundamentals.
      This man is truly fictional in all sense of the word. We are now hearing a strange story: he is from Wollo (not Oromo at all- nothing wrong with that) and his only sister from his mom is a house maid in Adigrat. He and his sister went separate ways during the Ethiopian great famine of 1984/85, him and his mom going to West Ethiopia joining a settlement program and his sister, Zeynab, to a different direction. Nothing wrong that too, I am only saying to show how different is from what people know about him.
      That said and despite my doubts, of course, i wish him success for the sake of Ethiopia, and the neighborhood. However, someone should tell him that Ethiopia’s problems are real and they can’t be solved by flowery speeches and waving hands at every receptions. The problems need a real and disciplined painful works of thinking and critical decisions, as well as mobilization of people and resources.
      Tell him this: don’t tell us you negotiated with KSA to get 1000 detainees released. KSA would never released hard criminals. Therefore, these must have been illegal immigrants, people of milder violations or sorts… Saudi would always want to send such people home as parts of good riddance. These can’t be achievement for him but for the Saudis.

      • Kaddis

        Hi Hayat –

        I was specific on what I liked from this speech – the respect for women and the shared leadership. I saw it live in my house and the informal setting shared with a popular psychologist and the surprise element – made a huge difference. Didn’t see the lecture for his executives. And, I try to stick to official infos ( re- his upbringing ).

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BwlCYwilQw
        ( I think its still a weekend in the west ::-))

        With no intention of defending his actions nor his approach – I can say few words why he does what he does and some of his actions might work.
        Abiy came through a tacit collaboration with the Oromo movement and its activists. These groups still have the power to shake his government through their radical groups. Eg. The gold mine, cement ceo killing etc.

        Abiy is running around to create his support base and trying to share the Oromo youth constituency with Minnesota. He is also bringing more political competition in Oromia from the diaspora. As for sticking with the EPRDF norm – that’s what people are tired of. Plus he showed no intention of changing major policy pillars ( land reform, state led economy, protectionism etc…) – just the narratives.

        There are many real problems as you said – but with a delivering economy, foreign policy and regional security in his favour – he is rightly focusing on the internal governance, democracy, Human rights, transparency and new narratives.

        Always value your best wishes;
        Cheers,

        • Hayat Adem

          Dearest Kaddis,
          Thanks for the note. The talk about women is fine. The other talks as well are good.
          I am not sure though if he is not changing the pillars or even doing more than changing the pillars. I see EPRDF totally weakened or just melted into a dilution of an unknown character under his leadership; i see elite fragmentation among the Eprdf leadership; i see Abiy strengthening his cabinet government power at the expense of the Executive Party Leadership; I see the killis more and more left on their own. I see all the west political and business brokers rushing into your country for a frontal and first bites.
          As we speak, i am told election laws for Ethiopia are being prepared by a European advocacy group called International IDEA authorized by H.E. PM Dr.Abiy. Sooner than Ethiopia signed COMESA Free Trade three weeks ago, Toyota company secured a production license in Kenya. That means the protectionist pillars you mentioned will be brought down one after the other.
          If you agree with me that the essential characters of a “color revolution” are 1) outside hands play a critical role in making it, 2) the major tool employed to make it happen is violence… then, then how is that we can’t say “color revolution” has just happened in Ethiopia, albeit a bit differently.. that is without officially dismantling the ruling party. Only here the insider has become an outsider.
          All said though, I must say Ethiopians should be vigilant in defending their country from becoming a fighting ground between China and the West, as well as from the unreasonable meddling hands of Egypt, from allowing our crazy man an opportunity to access of renting his black service to whomever is bidding the highest price again. We should all care because Ethiopia is indeed bigger than Ethiopia.
          Hayat

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            I have a question I am hoping folks here will help out with: what is “color revolution”, successful cases of it and unsuccessful cases of it? Because, the definition of “color revolution” you are asking me us to embrace is the one proposed by reactionary authoritarians. (Putin for example.)

            What happened in Ethiopia is a “regime change” following a colo the revolution without a name for a color: people’s uprising. This happened because EPRDF stood for nothing except the imperative of staying in power. (Skeptical that the Lema Boys are the best stewards of this movement but so far so good.)

            Speaking of “regime change”, that is another phrase that has been dirtied and redefined after Iraq mostly by those who argue that phrase can only be applied to what happened in Libya and Iraq.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            What is happening in EPRDF is the Toys revolted against the Ventriloquist. They are saying that they can speak too. Time for the Ventriloquist to listen to the Toys for a change.
            Don’t tell me I got it wrong as usual.

          • saay7

            Abi:

            Sounds like an episode from The Twilight Zone. In fact, I think that’s the plot of many sci-fi novels: the dummy rebelling against the ventriloquist. But this always requires a clash, a confrontation (Act 2 in any play) which is why Kibrom has been warning us and waiting for it. If this holds, and your እማማ manages to carry it though ያለ ምንም ደም as the Dergue promised, then it will be studied in pol-sci classes for a long time.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            First I thought he is going to be a “sit in” PM. Now I’m convinced he is a real deal.
            I’m hopeful we will go through this in one piece with minor bruises.

          • Amde

            Selam Ras,

            Are you still in Addis?

          • King Ezana

            Selam Abi, no, no, no, we won’t make the same mistake twice. This time around, we will make sure that Dr Aby to believe he has the power and of course the rest of His supporters. We didn’t pay ten’s of thousands lives to be in a back seat.

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            You mean “The Empire Strikes Back”?

            The empire does not have a gaspy raspy frightening omnipotent figure right now. The closest such figure people refer to is the security chief, but there is a semi-plausible school of thought that says Dr. Abiy is condoned and supported by him. Now that would be a great movie – no?

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde,

            Nah, “The Empire Strikes Back” is a colonialism story (and not a very good one, just like most Star Wars aren’t:) So, no, that wouldn’t be a great movie.

            The Matrix or Bladerunner (original), on the other hand, are about the toy/slave rebelling against ventriloquist/master. God-killing movies, literal in the case of Bladerunner.

            The analogy doesn’t perfectly hold with EPRDF (yes, Abi is wrong again), because this was more of the Triumph of the Fifth Column. It’s some cold “ኣፍኪ ምሳይ ልብኺ ምስ ደበሳይ” stuff. (Paulos will translate, if your Tigrinya fails you.) You have to go all the way to the Greeks for that and their Trojan Horse. Also, Troy, according to Netflix series, was a black man. Why not? 😉

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            “Fifth column”? “Trojan Horse”? That presupposes they are just following somebody else’s orders.

            I don’t think so.

            The simplest model is one that is expressed as “Progress happens one funeral at a time.” The children grew up, and they are regressing to their demographic and historical mean.

            I don’t know if there is such a movie.. it would be boring, but very true.

            What is new is the “popular psychology as political tool” aspect of it.

            Can you believe I have yet to see the new Bladerunner?

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Yeah, they were following the orders of the Querro movement. Telling the EPRDF I am with you and mouthing all the right words (ኣፍኪ ምሳይ) and querro-whistling to the demonstrators (ልብኺ ምስ ደበሳይ). TPLF didn’t know what hit them which is poetic justice, I think.

            Of course you have to stop everything now and watch the new Bladerunner. You have to make allowances for Ridley Scott’s quirks (none of his movies have black characters: it’s like we won’t exist in the future he is culturally tone deaf*) and you also have to make allowance for the lead actor (Ryan Gosslin) because chicks are into him, but the movie is very loyal to the original and has a mild resemblance to the book:)

            saay

            * when he was asked why he cast an all-European group for the Biblical “Exodus” he said “I can’t mount a film of this budget, where I have to rely on tax rebates in Spain, and say that my lead actor is Mohammad so-and-so from such-and-such.” 🙄 John Oliver has a long, long rant on it that was hilarious.

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            I think, only one body part is used in the saying as in only ልቢ not ኣፍኪ. It goes, ንስኺ ምሳይ ልብኺ ምስ ደበሳይ። ደበሳይ must be one cool dude.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam abi
            Let me put it this way.
            If u see it in terms of ethnicity.
            Who benefited more on the scarface of people of tigrai, it is the oromos, the somalis and so on , so who is the toy? Tplf
            Which constituency will be benefited from the federal system? The afar, the south and so on. So who is the toy? Tplf
            The only thing that tplf is benefited from 100000 disabled and scarfaced sole is individual looting and now it is over.
            Tplf is a toy by assuming they can play the divide and rule game but end up a toy.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            AAA (triple A 🙂 ) (The new preferred acronym for Abiy Ahmed Ali) with his right hand man Lemma Megersa to thousands in a townhall meeting they are working on to the least reforming to the highest removing of ATP and withdrawing SOE. It looks like your long time rant about ATP finally got some powerful ears… 🙂

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat,

            It is so weird to read this post of yours. I agree with EPRDF elite fragmentation, cabinet stronger than EPRDF executive, election laws drafted by outside neutral body, and I say fantastic.

            The killils drifting off on their own is a feature of the constitutional order EPRDF put in place, so if they are complaining about it – well they should look in the mirror.

            I gather it has been Meles’ vision to transform Ethiopia into a manufacturing hub built on clean and cheap electricity, national transportation infrastructure, and cheap educated work force. I don’t think protectionism was in his long term vision. We are at the cusp of this vision starting to come into force.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            You tried to identify “color revolution” by two characteristics, namely (a) on the critical role of outsider’s hand and (b) the employment of violence to bring to its success. The “Orange Revolution” of Ukraine in 2004, was a bloodless revolution, run by a powerful civic movement, skilled political oppositions, and a determined middle class that came together to bring the needed changes. I do not think all “color revolutions” are identified by the characteristics you have alluded in your comment.

            Regards

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam hayat
        1, the reason why people crazy about him in the first place is because of people perceived him as different from the eprdfite .That tells u about the people and eprdf
        2, i heard his mother is not oromo and i don’t think it is a new news but what u said about his sister is funny, i mean it is the usual inferior which never happed out side of social media. It doesn’t happen in real world.
        3, he negotiated the release of ethiopian not just in ksa but in Kenya and sudan too and that is the good thing.

      • Amde

        Hi Hayat,

        I believe the biography (resettlement post great famine in Wollo etc..) is the story of Demeqe Mekonnen the deputy PM, not Abiy’s.

        I do agree he is showing a complete break from the EPRDF of old. Some might think that is a tragedy. Most of the public though is enthusiastic about it.

        Technically Abiy is the EPRDF chairman, but I feel he is his own man, or at best he represents the views of a reformed OPDO. His rhetoric demolishes much of EPRDF orthodoxy, but the dilemma the front has is that he is wildly popular at this point anyway.

        Amde

        • blink

          Dear Amde
          I think the man needs time and support from people. He already fired Metec guy , Sibhat Nega and others . I heard also he is looking at top EPRDF chameleons save heaven accounts , what more are you asking in the short term. PFDJ also for the first time stoped using weyane government, can you imagine after 20 years. Some are also saying there will be channel between his administration and some PFDJ enablers . Let’s see how John Bolton wind this .

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Amde
          The resettlement of demeqe and his family was in benshangul region, not in jimma.
          And isn’t adigrat itself was one of the most affected region by 1977 ec. Famine?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            Yes Demeqe and family were apparently resettled in Metekel awraja, which was part of Gojjam pre-Ehadeg times. I was part of large group of university students sent out to build huts for the settlers. I don’t kniw if anybody from that far north in Tigray were resettled.

            Amde

        • saay7

          Amde:

          Well then I have a question but I believe only Admas can answer it but you can give it a try:

          የኪራይ ሰብሳቢነት ፖለቲካ ነግሦ: መልካም አስተዳደር የጠፋበት ዘመን ነው ብሎ መናገይ የሚቸልበት ጊዘ ነው ማለት ነው?

          Saay

          • Amde

            Haha Saay,

            I think the best that can be said is..

            ከ ኢህአዴጉ ሊቀመንበር አንደበት ከኢህአዴግ አንደበት ያልተለመደ ትርክት* የተስተዋለበት ወቅት ነው ብሎ መናገር የሚያስደፍር ሁኔታ ነው ያለው ብሎ መናገር ያስችላል።

            (I definitely cannot do Admassie)

            ጠሚው (the PM) would rather say ኪራይ ስብሰባ እና ብልሹ አስተዳደር are on the way out. You and I know the ኪራይ ሰብሳቢነት will begin anew with a new crew, with heavy state intervention in the economy being the policy of the land.

            (* recently coined term to mean “narrative”.. )

            Amde

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Amde,

          Glad to have you back. Wasn’t what was needed changing direction and style of managing the affairs of the country that have been proving more and more cumbersome under the coalition orthodoxy as you have noted?

          If PM Abiy succeeds to put together a broader constituency within his own party, and beyond, to empower himself to implement his program in the run up period to the next parliamentary election, I think he will have achieved a good part of his mission. The question is whether he will be able to offer reasonably do-able and unifying task program that could buy him crucial time to sustain the current good will and popularity.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Ismail,

            You know, my expectations were so low that I am still very happy that we have a leader who tells the crowd “እግዚአብሄር ያክብርልኝ” as he did in his speech this past Sunday. One can get philosophical as to whether or not the separation of church and state is threatened by this simple phrase, but it communicates so much about him as a person and as a politician. HaileSellasie the Monarch would probably not say it, nor any one of the leftists who had ascended to political power in the past 40 odd years.

            Politics wise, what I have seen so far just reinforces my feeling that OPDO is marching to a different drum. They seem closest to what we would consider western liberal politics. They have invited the ODF (one of the off-shoots of OLF) to start being part of the legal opposition. So within Oromiya you have three legitimately strong parties OPDO, OFC and ODF. It seems OPDO has decided to “go legit”, i.e. win/retain political power without relying on any of the meto-be-meto gamesmanship and shenanigans. There is nothing equivalent that I can see in any of the other regions and sister parties.

            As far as providing good government, the jury is still out obviously, but Abiy gets A for effort. The ForEx crunch is real. There are many suppressed issues that are and will be coming to the fore and landing on his plate. The Somali demonstrations, Afar, Dire Dawa, displacements in the regions etc etc.. Nobody said things would be easy but he seems up to the job so far.

            I think if EPRDF thought they were getting a front man, he is showing that he is also very much his own man. He is proving to be a wily operator. A friend observed that he is also a bit of a problem for the harder wing of the Oromo nationalists, who were vehement in their attacks on him. So, for now, everyone is stuck with him at least until 2020.

            EPRDF is supposed to have a congress sometime later this year, and we will see if Abiy is a lone voice or if EPRDF is about to go down his path.

            Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Amde,

            Thanks for your as usual enlightening input. Yes, there is no harm in uplifting personal humbleness and modesty by soliciting reflection in tenets faith provides. Ordinary citizen remain faithful to morality rooted in their religions and are less affected by church-state political relations.

            I think we had exchanged some thoughts before about the importance of Dr. Abiy resetting the components of the Oromo constituency. His home background in Jimma and Agaro would inspire him about the importance of winning the OLF support bases. I am glad you have inform us that he, indeed, has started. A strong footing in own terrain is an incentive to attract other constituencies such as ANDM and others on a sale-able platforum of broader national unity.

            The way he will expand margins of manoeuvre would greatly help his options as individual actor and representative of the ruling coalition, which I think have stake in his success and not in his failure. The first beneficiary in this will be the TPLF if can rid itself of the syndrome of dominant role it has already over played.

          • Abi

            ጌታው እንዴት ከረሙ
            HaileSelassie thought he was God Jr.

          • Amde

            ሰላም ክቡር ራስ

            Funny enough, I spent some time recently with family of some old HaileSellasie palace courtiers.

            Their view was that far from seeing himself as God jr., he was actually almost a mystic. He hardly ate. He prayed a lot. He knew what was coming, and even if he did not, he was visited by a succession of ባህታውያን that warned him the end was nigh and he needed to make good by God. He was an extremely lonely man. He knew almost to the day when he was to be killed, and called on old palace courtiers for ostensibly minor stuff, but probably to make some goodbyes.

            A good case can be made that towards the end he was senile. But just as strong a case can be made that he was fatalistic about his role. Our times are such that such an argument cannot be made in a serious academic manner, so it remains an aggregate of anecdote.
            In any case, a man who thinks that events are predestined to happen will not bother to take the otherwise rational steps everybody was recommending and begging him to take, including giving up power to a younger and potentially more able prince.

            Hopefully PM Abiy means it when he talks about introducing term limits. ጃጅቶ ከመጥፋት እንደ ኃይለማርያም ለ Mo Ibrahim ሽልማት መወዳደር ይሻላል።

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Not sure if this is a confession of some sort but for some weird reason, I have always felt like you’re a member of the Royal Family. No?

          • Amde

            Oh Paulos,

            Haha.. That makes my day… no sir. My great-grand-peeps are minor gentry, but if they are to be believed they felt they were entitled to more glory and status than what they got. My parents were civil servants most of their lives. One of my grandmothers was a pretty lady born a daughter of an ambitious farmer, who was going to leverage her looks into a marriage with a titled family.

            No royalty that I know of.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Well, at least you can pretend, because you have the it in you as in your “refined” English to say the least.

            The King or should I say his person, fascinated me as far back I can remember where I took it upon myself to read anything and everything about him to the extent of addressing him [Should he comes up in any convo among friends or family members] in the plural as in እቶም ንጉስ or ንሶም as opposed to እቲ ንጉስ.

            And I read Kapuschinski’s “The Emperor” and other books on him. I also read, “The Rastafarians” where he takes the center stage in the book [Forgot who the author is.] The King’s ascension to power in a rather Machiavellian way where he snatched the mantle from Lij Iyasu not an end in itself but to transform a backward nation with radical reforms. More over, his diplomatic ability to balance the complex power play between the West and the rising Soviet Union was not an easy feat not to mention between Israel and the Arab world as well.

            I say this, cognizant of the rather controversial policies if not detrimental policies he followed particularly on Eritrea where it is not a hyperbole to put the blame on him—the mishandling of the Eritrean-question. But again, if history depends on the person who writes it, I would pick the one who is in favour.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            But, but, but:

            1. have you ever been conscripted by your school into waiting in line in a procession, waving አረንግዋዴ ብጫ ቀይ, to hear in the radio how you eagerly awaited your king?

            2. Have you seen him with the rolled down window on his Rolls as he doled out an Ethiopian dollar to the huddled masses;

            3. Finally, have you considered doing something about your unibrow because you heard a rumor that his forces kidnapped boys with unibrows for some ritual sacrifice?

            Good times.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            Of course not. Was born in 1970. And he was deposed in 74. I certainly see where you’re coming from and I am of the opinion that, using a single brush for his portrait is not fair.

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            But but but…
            1 you can’t possibly call that conscription . The kids might wait for hours and go home.
            Today conscripts stay until kingdom comes.
            2 what is wrong with that?
            He gave out some money. That is all. He didn’t take. The guy at godana harinet and his generals are snatching your boys for profit.
            3 that is saaytanic
            Bad times.

          • Selam Abi,

            Have you heard of qoriT, the tailless devil that was supposed to live in one of the crater lakes at debre zeit? It was said that it was hsi’s devil or even hs himself.

            There were times when the lakes stink, and some people used to say that it was when qoriT changed sides, and the bad odor was coming from his rotten flesh.

            In actual fact, it was found out that the bad smell was coming from methane gas discharge from the lakes at rare interval, and depending on the direction of the wind there was this rotten egg smell in the city (people said).

            Similar to saay’s unibrow boys (i cannot be sure if i heard that, and it must be very rare), there was this story of virgin girls being snatched and sacrificed.

            Fake stories (news) are not new. They always existed, even in feudal ethiopia.

          • Amde

            Horizon,

            ቆሪጥ አይፈሳም ያለህ ማንነው?
            🙂

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Wait, wait don’t tell me. Is 1 and 2 part of that oppression. I just realized how oppressed I was waiting for hours in the sun waiving visiting foreign flags to boot. I was oppressed 10 times more than you and your friends were. Oh, I forgot, being a foreigner it hurts more.
            As to your 3rd favorite rumor what can one say ….

            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            I don’t know if HaileSellasie overthrew Lij Eyyasu to engage in a progressive agenda. I think it was more of the Shewans out-maneuvering the Welloye power. Whether HaileSellasie would use his power to embark on a progressive platform was rather incidental. A happy coincidence. One can be a savant in the game of politics as HaileSellasie was, and have completely self serving and regressive agenda.

            You know, reading your post, it occurred to me to imagine one hundred years ago. Give or take. By 1916, the Shewan alliance of Zewditu, Teferi and Fitawrari Habtegiorgis had overthrown the Lij Eyasu interregnum. Teferi was given the post of chief administrator (i.e. Prime Minister) with the system seeing Zewditu as the real political head, and Teferi to be the acceptable and amiable but fundamentally powerless public face. The young upstart Teferi was supposed to be a temporary figure. He leveraged his adminstrative post, and progressivist credentials to gain popularity and to gradually and systematically defeat his rivals. The Wikipedia page is rather fascinating.

            Which leads me to imagine events from a hundred years ago with today’s perspective. What were Eritreans in 1918 thinking about what was happening south of the Mereb as a young and popular leader slowly gathered popular will and political power? Of course the obvious question is, what do Eritreans of 2018 think of what is happening south of the Mereb?

            As Kibrom stated, History doesn’t say Goodbye.. it says “See you later”.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Certainly, the main purpose to depose Lij Iyasu was not out of political conviction so to speak, in a bid to instill certain reform agendas but it wasn’t a coincidence either.

            Raymond Jonas, in his book, “The Battle for Adwa” writes a remarkable story about the intriguing dynamics between Emperor Menilik, his first cousine Ras Mekonen and Etege Taytu who is of course the wife of Emperor Menelik. Emperor Menilik was stuck in between two strong personalities as in Ras Mekonen and Etege Taytu as they never liked each other to the extent of Etege Taytu accusing Ras Mekonen of having a soft heart for the Ferenjis. Her suspicion was reinforced when Ras Mekonen failed to secure the capture of the Italian fortress in Meqele, for instance.

            Her suspicion however, didn’t come out of the blue so to speak. Ras Mekonen was one of the first Ethiopians who had toured and visited European cities including Rome, Paris and Vienna among others. And upon his return, he harbored and entertained progressive ideas as he contrasted backward Ethiopia with the more modernised European States.

            The young Ras Teferi Mekonen who was to assume power after Emperor Menilik’s death, came of age under the influence of his father’s [Ras Mekonen] progressive mind set. As such, if the need to outset Lij Iyasu was based on the latter’s alleged “heresy”, one can also argue that, the need to modernize Ethiopia was an impetus on Ras Teferi Mekonen’s part to remove Lij Iyasu from power as well.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Interesting viewpoint. I had actually not heard of that book. I will have to read it.

            I had thought Teferi was an orphan early on, and his French missionary tutors were responsible for his modernizing outlook. The influence from his father directly is new to me.

            There are other anecdotes where Lij Eyasu and Teferi grew up as contemporaries in the Menelik household. Eyassu knew he was an Emperor in waiting. Teferri would have been crown prince had his father not died. Eyassu is said to have mercilessly tormented the fatherless Teferi, thereby setting in motion the rivalry that played out later on.

            Thank you for the reference.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            The book stands out to be unique where the author got an access to the letters the Italian prisoners of war wrote to their families where one glances over crucial moments of the war.

            For instance, one POW writes, when Emperor Menilik and his wife Etege Taytu including a whole army arrived in Meqele, they found Ras Mekonen who was sent there a week ago to take over the fortress, negotiating with the Italians instead, unable to break through. And when Etege Taytu came down hard on him, the letter says, Emperor Menilik went in to the tent where Ras Mokenen was staying at and they hugged and broke down to tears. It was really remarkable to see the human side of the power be and one can only imagine how any expert on Ethiopian history feels the pangs of envy for not having that kind of rare access to history.

            In fact, when I drove from Meqele to Adwa back in February, I mentioned the cited incident to one of the real deal people in the town and I also had to mention it to him how disappointed the author of the book was after he visited Adwa when he found it neglected where it’s historic glory is reduced to pages and footnotes as well.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            I visited Adwa this January too, and was disappointed at how absolutely no meaningful monument or memorial was there.

            The tour bus stopped at what looked to us like a random spot and told us that this was IT. We would have to take his word for it I suppose.

            The mountains though are very weird and otherworldy. I have a feeling there was a severe geologic event probably many millenia ago. You find what should be vertically stacked rock strata peeking out almost as horizontally arranged neat row of books. Either there was severe erosion, or some strange geologic event to upturn the layers by almost 90 degrees.

            The Yeha temple area a bit further into the country side also showed similar patterns. The remnants of the temple itself, sitting cheek by jowl with an ancient but active church is quite interesting. It is strange to see structural one-offs like that, and I assume there must be more similar structures throughout the Axum Adwa area, waiting to be discovered.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            The scenery between Meqele and Adwa is breathtaking to say the least. Luckly, I drove Toyota Pickup and made it easy for me to drive through the rugged terrains as I visited some of the small villages on the side.

            I stayed at Yared Zema Hotel in Axum and it is only 15 minutes drive from there to Adwa. Visited the house where the late Meles was born and brought up, for instance. And one can only feel sorry for the town where it seems to have been frozen in time. If it is any consolation, Pan African University is about to be built there.

            As you said, the mountain range including the famous Emba Soleda is a relic of the past where the strata speak volumes about the cradle of humanity and one feels the connection through the cool breeze where the wind whispers from the distant past. I wish I had driven to Rama then crossed the border to Eritrea but if the border is the Event Horizon around a Black Hole, one would be sucked in for good where there is no turning back.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I heard they r about to build a pan african university in adaw by money from people contribution ,
            My question is how they r planing to run the university for the future?
            Is it gonna be a private university or what? Did they plan about it?
            U know tplf fought against the victory of adaw, so did they still have anti adaw victory view or they change their mind?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            As far as I can tell it is supposed to be a private university, probably funded by a foundation or something. I really don’t know.

            The proposed site the guide pointed out is really pretty. Heavily wooded, right at the foot of one of the mountains closest to the town.

            You know, thinking more about it, I am more surprised that neither HaileSellasie nor Mengistu built any memorial there. There are quite a number of Tigrayans and also Eritreans who see what happened at Adwa ( or rather the fact that Menelik did not proceed to push out the Italians from Eritrea) as a tragedy. Some think it was deliberate, others think it is unfortunate, but in any case they see the end effect as the separation of the Tigrinya speaking people to Menelik’s benefit and triumph. Today’s Agazian movement is one result of it. So in a way it makes sense TPLF did not properly memorialize the place. They probably could not come to a consensus on it.

            A pan-africanist research center is not a bad idea. Theoretically it can explore all themes and historical implications.

            But the site itself definitely requires a proper memorial. American battle memorial parks are great examples of bringing to life what happened way in the past. I can see a ten year + plan that can slowly add details and identify landmarks.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            A private university will be a little bet hard to attract students in adaw.
            I don’t know the details about why menelik did not proceed to push out the Italian from eritrea, my guess is i don’t think he can’t push farther and he made a mistake.
            But don’t u think menelik separated the two tigrai tigragna and eritrea referendum or 1991 (independent day)contradictory?

          • halafi mengedi

            AMde
            For much of Eritrea’s history, Eritreans didn’t have a true agency/agencies that could be considered to comment on behalf of Eritreans (except for that brief period circa 1950-1960 and early 1990s). It baffles me when people write so much about what Eritreans supposedly thought/said/did on this or that issue throughout our history.
            But to answer your question, back in 1918, again Eritreans didn’t have an agency and probably no means of contemplating and commenting on issues outside their immediate environment. I would say, the answer is pretty much nothing.
            Even now, we really don’t have agencies that represent that various sectors of our society, but unlike 1918, we do have means to communicate individually. As you can tell from this forum, some are optimistic about AAA, others are skeptical and, pfdjites and their alike are as rascal and sidi as ever to anything that is Ethiopian. Unfortunately, no group is systematically studying and preparing plans for what is happening in Ethiopia right now. And i would hate to see someone writing an article in the near future that says, with confidence, that Eritreans (as ever with no qualifiers) were thinking or doing this and that when PM AAA came to power.
            hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            Wait a minute now. “We don’t know” is a reasonable response. But surely some of the literate and exposed ones had some opinions – no? I was just wondering if the Eritrean press of the time, the clergy, traders, notables etc had opinions on what was going on in Addis.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde
            Lets see what the more knowledgeable Awate folks have to say. But my understanding is that there wasn’t much of an environment, even in small scale, for discourse of they type that would comment on a rising King in Shewa…but admittedly, i am not the most read.
            hm

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I had a chance to see the house of ras kassa and ras seyem, both of them in ferency and by just looking at the luxuriousness and the size of the house and yards. U can tell how they were deattached from the regular people. So my question is don’t u think the mess of the last 50 years is the making of the rulers of that time?

          • Amde

            Hi Teodros,

            Well you can’t live in Ras Kassa Sefer and not visit Ras Kassa’s place – haha. There were various Ras Kassa clan households between Eyesus and what later became Chiqunu Mikael church. You know the narrow asphalt road from kella to the Eyesus church? It was so narrow that my mother always used to say Ras Kassa told the engineer to make it just wide enough for his car. I could not tell if she was joking or if she meant it.

            I don’t recall where Ras Seyoum’s place was. Going towards the Abo church there were also the households of other royalty like the Wag Shums. That whole Ferensay area was like Bole before there was a Bole.

            Don’t get me to start defending the old order. What one can say about it is that it was how things were for thousands of years. And HaileSelasie to his credit was changing things for the better. A lot of resistances to his modernizing efforts were from the Rases and the mesafint, to whom the idea of educating the ordinary people sounded very strange. Sure they were detached. They did not feel they were the same as the ordinary people. Whatever privileges they had they felt it was because of God’s will, so they felt justified in doing whatever they wanted to do. A revolution was due to happen at some point.

            But dogmatic slaughter between leftists groups – well one cannot blame the mesafint for that one.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            If they did the right thing we wouldn’t be in this mess, that is what i think.
            U don’t know ras seyem house? U got to be kidding, u know higher 12 high school was part of the yard and the office of kebele 12 used to be ras seyem kitchen. The main house was above the high school and used to be derg’s some kind office .
            Do u know a park called hamela 19? It used to be itega “subaye” place.

          • saay7

            Amde:

            One of Eritrea’s best historians, Trevaskis, had this to say which is relevant to your question: “Italy created Eritrea by an act of surgery: by severing its different peoples from those with whom their past had been linked and by grafting the amputated remnants to each other under the title of Eritrean.” Naturally, those Eritreans who would perhaps have been interested in what Teferi did to Zewditu were, by 1916 (26 years into Italian rule), dealing with this entirely alien and overwhelming presence that would change every aspect of their life. For a glimpse, please refer to Aklilu Zere’s “What Italian Colonialism Did to My People of Eritrean Kebesa.”

            The other Eritrean half, the Eritrean lowlands, was never interested in the palace intrigues of Ethiopia other than dealing with the ocassional warlord and cattle rustler who came from the furthest part of Ethiopia they knew, Tigray.

            saay

        • Selam Amde,

          Changing the mindset of ethiopians: i am ethiopia and he/she is ethiopia, government and people should listen to each other if they want to see progress, reform and change so that ethiopia will not be the same in ten years time, governments should not be scared of criticism and they should be ready to free people and not put them in prison, there is corruption within the government (he dares to say in front of the people, thus coming in conflict with the establishment)…. seem to be some of his main message – a bidirectional mode of communication in which both government and citizens interact to learn from each other.

          Young people are dreamers, and he seems to be one of such people. Nevertheless, he has gained the young, the educated, the diaspora, and what remains is to build the country by mobilizing the people and by leading and being lead (as he said), and taking the good part of everybody and everything.

          Too good to believe and too ambitious for a third world country like ethiopia. Let’s hope he succeeds for the road ahead is full of obstacles, internal and external. Nevertheless, he want know unless he tries!

      • Mez

        Dear Hayat,

        1) PM–AAA came to power due to the political dysfunctionallity of the EPRDF. If you closely observe the last 2 years before he came to power, most of the political activities of EPRDF were more of stagnated; half way dead.
        2) Things to be advanced by him include: reconciliation among communities wherever applies across ethiopia, job creation, multiparty contest & fair regular election in the political arena, peace with all neighbours including Eritrea, sound sectoral policies, openness of his administration, and predictability.
        3) regarding his sister: weither a house maid–in Adigrat or Adiquala–or any other job, it really didn’t matter much. She is doing what she can to lead her life the best way she can. And that is good so. Dear Hayat, especially on this, don’t be extraordinary please.

        thanks

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Mez,

          I agree with you as to why and who we have as our new PM. I am still counting heavily on the fact that those who knew him well chose him to lead EPRDF and Ethiopia.

          I disagree with Hayat’s points of view and conclusion because I didn’t see any persuasive argument from her. I think, she is misinformed and persuaded by her associates.
          However, she cannot be totally dismissed. She is reading and putting too much emphasis on some matters that I am not. Time is the judge and jury and that will convince her. BTW it can be said that the jury is still out on the matter too.
          For example:
          I see a similarity in the euphoria that was exhibited during the Obama election.
          PMAA supporters ( I am one of them) might look at the comparison as flattering and with approval. I don’t.

          Obama, who acted almost as if he knew everything about everything turned out to be a dud, as far as U.S is concerned. In fact I venture to say that Donald Trump is the result of the reaction to Obama’s leadership and administration. I don’t want a debate about Obama with anyone, I am done with it.

          What I am saying in defense of Hayat is all this positive “press” and support PMAA gets is similar to that of Obama. It is somewhat blind. I am praying that he turns out a better leader for Ethiopia.
          What I have also said to Hayat is to give PMAA more time and criticize what he does or doesn’t do.

          The fact that PMAA doesn’t fit the mold of other preferred leaders or watch his press conference and convict him of incompetence is a mistake.We don’t know all about the man yet. It took me about a decade before I began to appreciate the great PMMZ.

          Recently I read a news report that a manager of a cement factory was murdered with his assistants on the highway back to Addis. That is a serious criminal event in our country. I don’t know much more about the crime but the response from the PM office was a message of condolence to the families of the victims. Maybe the reporter edited out other pronouncements that I wanted to hear from our PM’s office. I didn’t hear a strong Gov. response of that It will pursue the criminals and vow to bring them to justice. That omission bothered me but is not enough to blame the PM.
          There is such a thing as being so mellow and wanting to be liked by everybody that you would end up not being liked by anyone.

          On balance there is a lot of positive things going on in Ethiopia in many areas including politics but this EXPERIMENTAL STATE we have now needs a lot of support to mitigate the wrong steps and encourage the good ones to reach to that plateau of developments so that we don’t fall on our knees again. The next fall may not be as forgiving as the last one.

          Mr. K.H

          • Mez

            Good Day Kim,

            1) The gist of your comment is reasonable.
            2) if you look at things closely, there IS NO comparable similarity between PM-AAA and pres. Obama. Every single factor in play was not compatible even at the assumption level. It is a sort of correlation by chance–than by facts. There is a saying: what is in America will stay in America.
            3) for all practical purposes PM-AAA is part and parcel of EPRDF we know.
            4) there are a lot of things what we know about EPRDF, that is what we call “after the fact”.
            5)There are much more things what are happening today and are going to happen tomorrow. Thr current and the predictive part. On the current part EPRDF is the governing party of the country.
            6) political opening/space is most likely one of the few most critical topics to be addressed by the core EPRDF; including PM-AAA. I hope they will not turn into an “entitled perpetual self preservation machine at any cost”, but rather they will embrace competitiveness, openness, and at time of bad performance (for whatever reason) conceding power to the better bidder–by the people to the people.

            Thanks

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mez,

            I read your comments with care, because of the emphasis you placed in your analysis.
            I also confess to you and others that my knowledge of EPRDF, its organizational and operational aspect is very limited.

            I brought Obama to illustrate a point and I can see now that it back fired for good reason.
            I should have used the term “irrational exuberance” the former FED chairman used to explain the euphoria we see at full display in our new PM.
            Thank you for your response.

            Mr. K.H

          • Mez

            Hi Kim,

            You may be correct.

            But, the political process in the era of Obama and thenafter has more to do with the collapse of the eastern block (that a while ago) and its blowback in full swing.

            Thanks

        • Nitricc

          Hi Mez; I just stopped by to finish what I have started yesterday but reading you and the others are gunging up on Hayat is not fair. It is her right to say whatever she wants. Why are you people ridiculing her simply because of her opinion? Trust me she is not all wrong on your toothless prime mister. He grandstander and all show. Go and watch his lecture to his cabinet. Sure, Ethiopia was gashing in bleeding and he came in he put a bandage and temporarily the bleeding stopped, why are acting like he solved the real problem? Besides, who would forget when the so called prime minster calling the people of Tigray ” GOLD” the question is, what are the rest of the Ethiopian people? You talking about kiss-aaz of all the time. Ethiopia needs a leader not an orator.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            Wow, what a difference a year makes. I detect changes in you that is not all bad. We all must have had an effect on you in some form.

            Look at it. You are coming to the defense of Hayat, Hayat you outed not only as a paid TPLF agent, but a non Eritrean player at that. Something changed.

            Now, you are bothered that our PM called the people of Tigray, gold.
            You asked the question what the rest of the Ethiopian people are, let me tell you …they are gold too.
            Do you a have a problem with that?

            Prediction: you demonized Tigray, you are at the beginning stage to demonize Oromo next will be the Amhara…that completes the never ending circular journey you are on.

            Mr. K H

          • Nitricc

            Hey KIM real quick, I am not defending Hayat, I am defending commonsense and fairness. Yes, Hayat is paid TPLF agent, I am not taking that away, although that is just my take and I believe on that. However, Hayat should be attacked oh her opinion. She does not like the grandstander and that is her right. That is her opinion!!! my disagreement with Hayat was never about her opinion, rather when she presented her opinion as the fact and there is a big different. Amazing Hayat supported you by attacking Eritrea day in day out as soon as she voice her opinion on the fake prime minster, all of you went after her? remember She supported you for many years by attacking Eritrea 24/7 just like you going to flip on her? as for me, I don’t defend people, I am the defender of the truth and what you people doing to Hayat is wrong.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Moda, I don’t know if you have slow day but here what Kim said to me…
            ” Look at it. You are coming to the defense of Hayat, Hayat you outed not only as a paid TPLF agent, but a non Eritrean player at that. Something changed.”

            And I replayed by saying…
            ” Yes, Hayat is xxxxxx TPLF agent, I am not taking that away, although that is just my take”
            Now, what your problem?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc and Mod.,

            Sorry for the guideline infringement.
            I have nothing but the utmost respect for Hayat.

            As to you Nitricc, I have to watch myself when I go toe to toe with you. You know what the problem was and is.

            Mr. K.H

          • Mez

            Good day Nitricc,

            Come on General,
            I feel like YOU must be under WUI, to help Hayat on this matter.

            Thanks as usual.

            ps WUI…Writing Under Influence (of Alcohol).

          • Nitricc

            hey MZ, hahahahah no drinks for me. I have hard time composing something while I am sober, can you imagine me writing drunk. lol
            I am not helping Hayat simply what I am saying is ” Our sense of fairness tells us that people should pay for the wrong they do” she does do anything wrong here. she voiced her pinion and that she is free to do that.

      • Peace!

        Hi Hayat,

        Sorry it sounds typical kitchen sink. Your case has no substance at all: what his sister do for living and his ethnic status are irrelevant to the task he signed up for; besides, it is not a new problem rather accumulated over twenty-seven years of ግዑዝይ ምሕደራ of which you were a front-seat cheer-leader, and now, ironically, you expect the new prime minister to solve everything overnight through “real and disciplined painfull work” pretty much magically. But seriously though if you are expecting the prime minister to solve the problem without concessions from TPLF and its elites, your disappointment is understandable.

        Peace!

  • Selam Abi,

    Here is a question from one of the students. Please, pass it over to the educators.

    Why is independence, territory, borders, and government are not enough for the pfdj and its supporters, that attack on tradition, culture, language, religion, history, ethnicity and genetic makeup have become necessary so that the ethio-eritrean separation is complete?

  • Kibrom

    Dear Abi and Sal by the way where are our beloved friends from ማሀል ሃገር it looks they made their arrangement to work with Aby on *shifts.

    Any way as it is Saturday night, can one of you please volunteer to clarify for me why is Abby Lakew’s – Yene Habesha the highest hit so far – 27,461,949.

    i think this is the highest record we have so far – my wrong remove God (ኣምላኽ ደኣ ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ እምበር ከም ማለትዩ ኣይተስተዋሕድዎ)።

    Here is the link.
    http://awate.com/if-you-shall-do-wicked-things-dont-brag-about-it/

    PS Sal shift = እብረ

    • saay7

      Kbrom:

      That’s an excellent question because Abby Lakew doesn’t get 2 million views, even when she is singing songs dedicated to እማማ ኢትዬፕያ! Especially since this 27 mil hit song is nothing when compared to her ማን አለ, where she hogs the camera for the entire video and the audience doesn’t mind (and by audience I mean me: no link because I don’t want all my credits from my fasting to be erased) and her ኣጫውተኝ which she forgot to entitle (it came out during the Ethiopian millennium): ok fine I will provide the link.

      Btw, Kbrom, grumpy Abi doesn’t listen to any songs that were not sung when HSI was king, so he is disqualified.

      https://youtu.be/UJHpJjXNTrE

      saay

    • Mez

      Dear Kibrom,

      Eventhough by big margin, ፊያሜታ by
      jacky gosee show 20,389,204 views.

      I wonder if any link between their message.?. Love.

      • Abi

        Hi Mez
        Jacky who?
        How about investing some birr for a belt? I hate to see his diapers. I’m sure Saay has a thing or two to say about this clown.

        • saay7

          Haha Abi:

          It wasn’t me, it was your peeps in a discussion when they heard that (a) he was going to appropriate Abraham Afwerki songs and (b) go to Asmara to perform. Since he is always doing cover songs wearing some head scarf, your cruel peeps said:

          እስቲ መጀመርያ የራስህ የሆነ ኣልቡም ኣውጣ፥ በምልጥነትህም ኩራ: እንደ ኣትየ ማዘንግያሽ ሻሽ አትቀያይር::

          saay

        • Mez

          Dear Ras Abi,

          ልጆቹ እንደ ሃዘን ባንዲራ ሡሪዎቻቸውን በግማሽ ዝቅ አድርገው ነው አደባባይ የሚወጡት፣ ይባሥ ብሎ ያለቀበቶ።

          እንዲያው ምን ይሻል ይሆን?

          • Abi

            Hi Mez
            የአገሪቱ ቀበቶ ተሰብስቦ ወደ ጎንደር ተልኳል። ወንዶቹ ታጥቀውቷል!
            ጃኪም በሽንት ጨርቁ ያጊጥ፣ ሻሽም ያምርበታል።

  • @george

    Dear Samuel
    On behalf of the GOE worshipers i would like to welcome you to Awate.com. Since the “justices seekers” have accepted you and gave you accolades it is only fair we the lovers of WEDI AFOM do the same. Now you are made welcome and accepted, I would like to give you some friendly advise. Well, sort of warning for I really care for your well being.
    1. Always write BAD stuff about Eritrean Government. For, if you made the mistake of writing positive stuff, you will face the wrath like no other. From SAAY, to the WIPE team to horizon the attack will be relentless.
    2. Do not talk bad stuff about mama Ethiopia. Never ever do that. I don’t know how to tell you, let just say, it will be ugly. They will come at you like a fat Mexican kid on burrito. You will be devoured.
    3. Always quote some random white guy nobody heard of that lived 600million years ago. boom, instant accolade from the “house intellectuals”
    4. Use UN, WORLD BANK and IMF as your source, SAAY will love you. If fact some say HE gets over the moon and do a moon dancing.
    5. Always use the word JUSTICS randomly, SJ will love you, and if he likes you, you are golden.
    6. Finally make sure you don’t forget the LATE, GREATE, Meles Zenawi…so you can be in good grace with Amanuel Hidrate the protector of Adi Grat
    May the lord help you because I cant.
    Yours,
    Son of kebero junkie

    • Dear Giorgio,
      Thanks for the official government welcome. As a bona fide ‘GOE worshiper’ you did not forget to raise the customary warnings and the Manichaean classifications of fellow travellers and adversaries. Shall i offer my own unsolicited advice to you? Instead of assuming an adversarial temperament would not it be useful to come to the forum to discuss, debate, learn and teach in a more civilized and open manner? Me thinks the best way to be serious when participating in Awate forum is not be that serious. what do you say?

      thanks

    • Paulos

      Selam George,

      Let me suggest something that will change your life for good. I highly recommend you read this book:

      “The Shape Of The New: Four Big Ideas And How They Made The Modern World.”

      The Four Big Ideas Are:
      1. Adam Smith
      2. Karl Marx
      3. Charles Darwin
      4. Alexander Hamilton and Thomas
      Jefferson

      Again, I promise you. It will change your life and you will see why the powerful ideas of long dead people matter.

    • saay7

      Selam @george:

      You are trying, God bless you. Since you are self-proclaimed GoE worshipper how did you forget the GoE uses the World Bank and the UN for its purposes. Observe:

      1. In the report it filed with African Commission, if quoted World Bank numbers (link and all) to show the economic progress it was registering. If it didn’t like the World Bank numbers, WB and figures for that matter would have been declared ተፃባእቲ

      2. The GoE loves the UN: for example, the UNDP country rep was practically a PFDJ member. And then there are 6 other UN orgs in Eritrea providing aid developmental partnership (wink). They are UNICEF, FAO, WHO, UNAIDS, UNFPA, and UNHCR. That’s 7 “partners.” The only UN it doesn’t like is SC (for immobilizing it from its adventures) and HRC (for exposing its murderous ways.)

      Keep trying, by @george 😂

      saay

      • FishMilk

        Hi saay7. While the GoE certainly uses the U.N. for its propaganda purposes, it is completely different from Ethiopia in that it’s political elites have not stollen/ misused billions of dollars of development and relief aid money to enjoy luxurious lives on the back of the poor and needy. The one U.N. angency that you did not mention, WFP, has been a TPLF Golden Cow, and while present in Eritrea, has no program/project activities.

        • saay7

          FishMilk:

          You make an interesting point, which also happens to be entirely irrelevant to my discussion with @george. He was arguing (I think, although it is hard to tell with his flaxseed on heated-pan style), that opposition rely on World Bank and UN for their arguments and I was saying “so does the GoE” and I gave two examples. It cited WB as a crutch in its self-defense with African Commission and any time it says it is isolated it says, no, look at all these UN “developmental partners we have.” And I mentioned 7 UN agencies, not one.

          saay

  • Kibrom

    Hi Abi

    Please count me in as educatee, indeed it is exchange of great ideas between capable people: Beyan, Sal, Samuel et al.

    • Abi

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  • Kibrom

    Dear Beyan,

    First let me join AT in congratulating our young and dynamic Samuel for his insightful Analysis. Shall we found a YAT as in Young Awate Team :))

    As the bad historical thinking puts it ‘History is Written By the Victors’. in our case history is being written by ዓመጽቲ: ያሬት Victors ጥራይ ይኾኑልና! መን ትኩር ኤርትራዊ ኢዩ ‘ክንዲ እቲ ንድሕሪት ክትጥምቶ እትኽእል ኢኻ ንቕድሚት ክትግስግስ ትኽእል ዝበለ ዝበልዎ ደቀይ?

    Educational texts were also engineered in a way that obsesses the minds of young Eritreans with the concept the PFDJ wants to be engraved in the Tabula rasa. Imagine this from the PFDJ text books

    Kindergarten መምሃሪ ፊደላት
    ጠ ጠበንጃ ሃ ሃሱስ ደ ደፋር ከ ከላሺን ባ ባርዕ instead of ጠ ጠስሚ ሃ ሃፋ ደ ደስታ ከ ከተማ ባ ባይቶ etc

    1st graders math:
    4 ኣምሓሩ ነይረን ነተን ክልተ ቀቲልካ ነታ ሓንቲ እንተኣቑሰልካያ ክንደይ ምዉታትን ቁሱላትን ይህልዉኻ?

    6th graders English hand book: Definition of famous
    Famous means to be known about by many people e.g ተመስገን ጣኒቆ: and there is his photo not Albert Einstein’s or Stephen Hawking’s or Awate’s or Welwel’s photo in the book. Why? because PFDJ’s mission is to ‘manufacture consent’ as Chomsky would put it.

    The good news is though no one can fabricate history that lasts forever because as MLK said ‘We are not makers of history. We are made by history…and fortunately that reality appals to Eritreans too!

    History never really says goodbye. History says, ‘See you later.

    • Dear Kibrom,
      You are funny, man. I like your idea of መሬት ናይ ቦንድ። ኣብዚ ሃገር፡ ብዘይ ጻማ ብዘይ ማሃያ ዝሰርሕ ዘሎ ሰብ ማእለያ የብሉን። ሕጂ መርበብ ዓዋተ ከም ሃገራዊ ግዴታኡ ሓሲቡ ንነፍሲ ወከፍ ኣገልግሎት ማልያን መሬት ቦንዳን ክዕድል እየ እንድሕር ኢሉ ክልሰ ሓሳባዊ ምውስዋስ ካብ ምዃን ሓሊፉ ነቲ መሰረታዊ ሽግር ክፈትሕ ይኽእል’ዶ እመስለካ? በዚ ጓዳይ ፉኩያማ ወይ ሃንቲግቶን እንታይ ይብሉ? ማልያን መሬት ቦንዳን ምዕዳል ከም መወዳእታ ታሪኽ ወይ ድማ ከም ናይ ስልጣነታት ግርጭት ክንወስዶም ንኽእል’ዶ? ማልያን መሬት ቦንዳን ምዕዳል ልሙድ ናይ ፋውዳ ኻላቓ ስትራትጅይ ምዃኑ መን ክስሕቶ ይኽል??

      On a serious note though, are the examples you gave from textbooks presently in use?

      • Kibrom

        Dear Samuel,

        I think the Taniqo one is still there.

    • Beyan Negash

      Selam Kibrom,
      I get the gist of the curriculum and instruction the regime at the helm would have, funny, indeed, as Samuel already pointed it out – A perfect alternative to Saturday Night Live. Who needs the latter when we have you.
      Beyan

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Kbrom,

      እንቋዕ ደሓን መጻእካ። ከመይ ቀኒካ።
      ክትሓስቦ ዘሸግር ኣደራዕ እዪ እዚ ህዝቢ ወሪዱዎ ዘሎ። ምስክነይቲ ፍጥረት ኣድጊ ካብታ ሞታ ሙግታታ ይበሃል። እቲ ሽግር ዝተበከለ ኣእምሮታት ንምጽራይ ክንደይ ጸሓትን ግዜን ትሕዝቶን ከድልዮ ኢዩ ኣብ ግዜ ራህዋ ድሕሪ ጸበባ። ክብሮም እምዛ ኣይትጥፋእ። መንእሰያት ከምቲ ሳሙኤል ምክርን ምትብባዕን የድልዮም።

      • Kibrom

        ሰላም እስማዒል ዓይቢ ሰብ

        ደሓን ቀንየ ሰላምታኻ ይጥዓም።

        ብሓቂ ከምቲ ወለድና ሕማቕ ዘበንሲ ካብታ እትገብረካ እታ እትሓድገልካ ዝብልዎ እዞም ዓመጽቲ ዝተኽልዎ ዘለዉ ለባማት ኪነቕልዎ ግዜ ክሓቶም ኢዩ።

        ኡሃኒኡካ ቢሕሉል ሻህረ’ል ሮመዳን ኣልሙባረክ

  • saay7

    Abi:

    I will be sure to remind you of that because, remember, when we were having our discussion on the medium of instructions, you and I were the only ones who said forget Tigrinya, Amharic, Arabic after elementary school and dive straight to English and the awatistas wanted our head on a platter.

    saay

    • Abi

      Hi Saay
      I remember Eyobe and that Fanti multi were attaching us left and right. The score was 3-0 in our favor.
      Is this basketball thing still going?
      FA finals yesterday
      Chelsea 1
      Man U 0
      Now that is a real sport!!!!
      Say what!

  • saay7

    Abi:

    If the subject in the mandatory summer class is going to be education, I will sign up to do some guest lecturing when Samuel and Beyan call in sick.

    saay

  • Bayan Nagash

    Many thanks Abi for such an accolade. I am humbled and honored. But, I am just dispensing what little I know of the ideology of language and literacy and its attendant consequences if and when a system of governance uses it to deprive its citizens. I wish capable people begin to have a century long policy toward creating a citizen of a nation. What and how they want that citizen to function and productive national who can serve his/her country. Rather than what we have been seen the brain drain of massive proportions.

    SGJ’s term of Leba-Shay was bokhri eznay to hear of it and the way he intricately connected it with the current Eritrean predicament was so apt I am trying my hardest to appropriate the term. I am still going back to his video clip to get the right spelling of the term. What a wonderful concept that explains so many things going wrong in our country with one compound term.

    Sincerely,
    Beyan

    • Selam Beyan and the whole Awate class,
      Full disclosure: I am not in anyway related to anyone in power – ወዶም ኣይኮንኩን – as Beyan suspected. And I did not have any privileged access to anything which my peers did not have. If you ask me, I am by all measurements your typical subaltern. And fairness and objectivity behooves me to state the following fact: For all that I know PFDJ officials might open one thousand and one favours to their families but this has not so far included establishing a separate elite schools for them in Eritrea. Lest i exhaust you with self-defensive gimmick, please bear in mind that I am too self-critical to allow my ideas to be affected by any privilege that i might had back home. Now to the serious topic:

      My critique of our educated class is directed at them as a group or class not as individuals. And the basis of my critique is my romanticized notion of the role an intellectual should assume – a gadfly that bites the lethargic horse to life, a Gramscian figure who is organically connected to the life of her society, a Marxian missionary who is out not only to understand the world but to change it for a better, a Saidean restless soul who constantly disturbs the status-quo and thus is always out of place; a Foucauldian and also a Nietzschean giant who irreverently dismantles myths and falsehoods through “relentless erudition,” in short nothing short of the proverbial prince who slays dragons and rescues the princess from prison. That is the standard against which I hold anyone person who claims to any scholarship. Now, prey tell me if you have any Eritrean academic in mind who fits this image. For me the career of this group of people has only swung between – to borrow Said’s phrase- “patriotic bluster and retrospective self-dramatizing apostasy.” I do not know if this is a good example or not but does not the fact that we do not find any notable intellectual among the causalities of the PFDJ regime (those who are in prison, killed or disappeared) tell us that our educated lots do not fit the image of heroic truth tellers and justice fighters who stick around amidst their people come hell or high water?

      Saay
      I have a different idea for your retirement. Forget opening a book shop at Nefasit. Who do you think will buy your books? The monks from Debre Bizen? And the cactus around Nefasit will scare your muses away. That place aint better than Keren. Now, I propose you retire to the high hills of Adi_keih/Qohaito. That place is breathtakingly beautiful and close to the College of Arts and Social Sciences. You will run a full course on creative writing. Beyan will cover the Foundational Theories in Social Sciences and Paulos will guest lecture myriad topics ranging from Philosophy to Quantum physics to even Zen Buddhism. We will announce the roles others will take in due course.

      P.S. Beyan asked about the book clubs that we had in Asmara and to give the devil his due the Eritrean Youth and Students Union in cooperation with very few brilliant Asmara University graduates were responsible for initiating it. They deserve credit for that.

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        If Isaias has any bragging point left in him, it is you, for the system he created produced you. Thing is, you’re not the norm but the exception and at the far end of the Bell curve if you will. If any one of us at Awate hope to see the younger-self of us in you, we will be disappointed, simply because, you’re no match. No kidding kiddo!

        • Selam Paul,
          Thanks for the excessively good words. I will share with you a sonnet by Shakespeare that I used to recite whenever someone (read a lover) flatters me:

          When my love swears that she is made of truth,
          I do believe her, though I know she lies,
          That she might think me some untutored youth,
          Unlearnèd in the world’s false subtleties.
          Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young,
          Although she knows my days are past the best,
          Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue:
          On both sides thus is simple truth suppressed.
          But wherefore says she not she is unjust?
          And wherefore say not I that I am old?
          Oh, love’s best habit is in seeming trust,
          And age in love loves not to have years told.
          Therefore I lie with her and she with me,
          And in our faults by lies we flattered be

          P.s. By now I am not as young as you might think. ከምቲ ሳላሕ ጋዲ ኣብዛ ዳሕረወይቲ ቪድዮ ክብላ ዝሓሰበ እሞ ዘየውጽኣ ቃል ደጊምሲ ኣጭሒምና(there is a funny alternative Tigrinya for this but I know Awate is a family website) ኢና። And praises trigger the Dostoevskian underground man in me – an impulse to withdraw and hide. ስለዚስ ኣይተብዝሓለይ ጳውሎስ ነብሲ

        • Denmarkino AArkey P^2,

          ente nsu khoynuu enehalka kabta feHira Saay7 godena denmarkiiy teguaEizua iyu zmesl. Ewaee gdi yeblkan MATCH SEE Match KRBIIT iyyu.
          Fukayamma you:
          ” …with all its pretensions to charting independent path away from prevailing Western paradigm is, in a deeper sense, treading the beaten statist and Fukuyamayist… ” Samuel Amaha”

          anta ezzi krbiit defirur kua F grade yhebeni abta klassu.

          tSAtSE

      • Beyan Negash

        Selam Samuel,

        Allow me to hastily note that not only the lucidity with which you address your interlocutor’s ideas rather than their person* alone is a mark of maturity beyond compare, but the fact that you have declared yourself deeming to fit a “subaltern” status within Eritrean culture, in my estimate, gives you an added lens to an already 20/20 focal lens you have appeared to awate forum with. In other words, the subaltern gives you sufficient distance from the hegemonic power structure to see issues from the marginalized perspective. The Gramscian and the Saidian notions you alluded to in your lecture gives me a bird’s eye view in how your thoughts, ideas, theories may have evolved over your intellectual inquiries. The mere fact that you have at the outset declared your status as that subaltern whose postcolonial existence within Eritrean context made to exist; ironically, such a term was coined by an Italian theorist, Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937) whose life from cradle to grave coincides almost close to the duration in which his country-men colonized our people. And the Saidian notion probably kicked in where Gramsci left off in similar fashion in that “out of place” term you cleverly used, a book by the same title was penned by no other than Edward Said (1935 – 2003). The Orientalist is a perfect antidote to the continuity from Gramsci to Said. These are neither here nor there, but simply, an overture that point out to the accidents of history.

        Be that as it may, so as not to disturb the theme of the class you have designed for this evening, I shall stick to the pertinent points you raised vis-à-vis our educated lot. The way you explicated it and the way in which you framed the basis of your critique on our educated lot, hands down, you deserve brownie points – Well articulated. Individual exceptions notwithstanding, as a group, I must concur with you they have failed Eritrea and its people miserably. Perhaps their folly lies in the fact that they went back to help as individuals as opposed to as a class or cluster, which would’ve been harder to penetrate, divide and conquer. And that’s precisely what the regime likes: For professionals to come to serve as individuals and if and when it doesn’t materialize, then, they can be disposed of, maligned at the will of the regime. Points well taken young man!

        * george will rest easy once he reads the mature way in which you engage with your fellow Eritreans as you just did and Ethiopians (I am sure when the need calls for it, in due course, of course)

        BN

      • Selamat Samuel,

        Sapre Aude! Well I will admit to you and all that I am in fact immature and am wheeled around in my Ganglewagen by guardians. Though I seldom prescribe to learn from some snaught nose know it all youngster I am making an exception in your case and count me in as your pupil in this class. Why? Because I like your attitude and the questions you pose:
        ክልሰ ሓሳባዊ ምውስዋስ ካብ ምዃን ሓሊፉ ነቲ መሰረታዊ ሽግር ክፈትሕ ይኽእል’ዶ እመስለካ?

        Be forewarned that I am Caesar and AM above the grammarians! Thanks for the reading material share.

        “Now a certain mechanism is necessary in many affairs what are run in the interest of the commonwealth must conduct themselves passively in order that the government may direct them, through an official unanimity, to public ends, or at least restrain them from the destruction of these ends.”

        AmErgitSAtSE Counter Narrative 2018 NESAFIH nesafih (h)gdef “Nkhid Trayy.” 2 Octaves and Major7 chord; XVII + X:
        Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution!
        tSAtSE

      • saay7

        Samuel:

        Well, let’s consider your proposal carefully. Consideration Number One: Proximity to Asmara. Keep that in mind.

        1. Nefasit has a train station (Massawa-Asmara) and on those days I can’t ride my bicycle or cucinete to asmara, I can take the train. It has perfect weather and fine people. On the other hand, just like another place with very fine people that I stumbled into once when I was lost (Akhria), it also has red earth. I mean it is Martian earth, right? Or is that my memory?

        2. So this takes us to another Adi. Not, not Adi QeyH (1. too far from Asmara; 2. ground is red, too) but Adi Nefas. Now that is very temperate and with soil fit for gardening. The book store? That’s just for me and friends; I have no intention of selling any books: I just want to smell them. Friends can come there and pretend to read books, but we will smoke hookah and play cards and complain about politics and refer to these years as the good old days. If one of the colleges hires me to teach, it will be asynchronous distance education (of course): otherwise students will be asking me questions and expect answers and administrators will want to have meetings and committees.

        saay

        • blink

          Dear saay
          Nefasit still has drinking water problem , the only good thing about Nefasit is when there is rain and just after the rain stops Nefasit is simply good. Nefasit is saturated by PUB . Going down Embatkala is not conducive either . Keren used to have good library too . Still saay library can give the best service in Asmara .

        • halafi mengedi

          Saay,

          Tisheki’e aleka qurub. neither adi has red soil. I would have thought it is the spikey thorns (and if one eats too much, the compaction from the seeds that leads to *** which is the most ridiculous Tigrigna word ever, i am not sure if i can writer it here) that bothers people, apparently not for you….hmmm. One pro for adi qeyih, they are building a hiking trail between massawa and adi qeyih…sounds enticing…imagine hiking ~100km trail with clear view of the red see throughout…

          hm

          • Paulos

            Selam HM,

            Yea that’s what I thought too. The only ቀይሕ ሐመድ [Ferric Oxide?] I can think of is ሓዝሓዝ. I guess, lately Sal been a lot to “Garden of the Gods” in Colorado Springs.

          • halafi mengedi

            Paulos,

            Also, xexerat, akhria, much of sembel and area between sembel and kushet and all the way to mai nefhi is all red. also several villages around asmara have red soil. you are right, i think it is ferric oxide.

            hm

          • Paulos

            HM,

            Very true, it is just that they all pale in comparison with ሓዝሓዝ. In fact, people ask you, አብ ሓዝሓዝ ዲኻ ዊዒልካ if your body is covered with ቀይሕ ሐመድ.

          • saay7

            HM:

            I will submit my case to Uncle Youtube who will arbitrate and give us final and non-binding decision. Uncle Youtube has a random video of Nefasit, future site of Nefasit Bookshop and soft drinks. (Motto: We don’t serve tea; what do you think this is, Keren?)

            I was traveling to the Carolinas and this person dragged me to Sherry’s Restaurant and of course all I could think of the word you forced us to think of. Thanks, HM.

            Here’s Nefasit: even the hills are red:)

            https://youtu.be/ryuMA6A6SvQ

            saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            Uncle youtube had red-tinted glass on when taking the video. Better ask auntie good earth. she will allow you to compare soil in nefasit v hazhaz at juxtaposition.

            hm

          • saay7

            HM:

            Ah, so. In your list of Martian Asmara neighborhoods, did you include the Qe.Ha.z (Kedamawi Haile Selasse, to make Abi happy) neighborhood? We used to go there to watch Tele practice and it was red-dirt everywhere.

            saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay,

            Keyih Bahri HS is adjacent to (some would say, in) xexerat which i mentioned. i am not sure if the soil type played a role in choosing the name.

            Speaking of keyih bahri, after watchin the subsequent 4 episode of that show in enn, it seems to me, as you have suggested early on, it main objective is to stir up the people and pressure the new PM. unfortunate.

            hm

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Samuel,

        I agree with your goal that you should be dealing with the substance and form of education rather than individuals involved on myriad places though key actors do matter. Moreover, your understanding that education should be geared to change conditions of societies for the better is central.

        Now, my hope (many others in this forum as well, I assume) is that you would decide to deploy your enormous potential and come up with objective appraisal of education during the era of the dictatorship so that people could discuss and learn from material properly designed by methodology and substance. Besides, I suggest that you try not to let your time be stolen by responses to inputs.

  • Paulos

    Abinism,

    The same here. I enjoy the exchange of great ideas between Dr. Beyan and ወጣቱ Samuel. And I am hoping the three pathetics will not spoil it with their nauseating garbage-in garbage-out monotone Weyane this and Weyane that. As much as misery loves company, ወንድሜን በርሄ የለከሙት ያሳዝነኛል::

    • Abi

      Hi Paul
      I think the discussion is moved to “adults only ” faculty. The three blind mice have got no business here to spoil the great exchanges by the all time great Beyan and the future hope Samuel. I hope Saay will join the discussion to elevate it even higher. I liked Lij Samuel already.
      It shaping up to be a great day!!!

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Paulo,

      I promise I will stay away discussing anything with these souls. It was my new year resolution to expose these blink guy for what he is since the Akria incident, and I can say now that everyone saw him for who he is, even AT giants took notice. So my job is done now. This will be my last post with regards to them.

      Berhe

      • blink

        Dear Berhe
        What exactly are you trying to pass through this bla bla , Paulos the googling in chief is commenting because he is waiting to jump to Addis dancing floor , he is such a guy going with the lyrics without knowing the meaning. Now , who exactly are awate giants took notice of me ? You may not understand this but I really don’t count on your reply because I count your take worthless even if you are a weyane goon that travels extra mile to protect sibhat Nega the evil man . Is May new year and still mentioning my ID again and again with your pals .

        • Hi Blink,

          I can’t believe that you do not recognize yet awate’s GitSAtSE!

      • Paulos

        Selam Berhino,

        Ideas matter! Great nations were built on powerful and enduring ideas. Ideas mobilize people for a noble cause and reinforce agendas. Eritrean struggle for independence was seeded on ideas. And that is precisely the reason here in this great forum, all of us exchange ideas so that we can grow and become better than we were yesterday. And that is called personal growth. On the other hand, if we talk personalities instead, not only that it is stale and mundane but people would tend not to take us serious. And remember, to change a person’s mindset is the toughest thing and the rule of thumb is stay away!

  • Bayan Nagash

    Selam Samuel,

    I’ve been eagerly waiting until weekend rolled in to jot my thoughts in reference to your entries about curriculum and instruction in Eritrea. Reading firsthand account of the workings of textbooks in Eritrea’s context was fascinating to say the least; those of us in diaspora, seldom hear about some such inputs. It’s deservedly, thus, this forum’s veterans are eagerly dispensing their accolades toward your person and the potential contributions you can impart. Although the context in which the discussion that ensued was history textbooks, I am hoping you will be able to shed light in some other areas of curriculum and instruction as it relates to elementary, junior high, and high school levels.

    A nation-state, a nascent one like Eritrea at that, has had every conceivable opportunity to optimize and excel its output by the mere fact that it had an asset from diaspora professionals that it could’ve tapped into. Needless to say, it summarily squandered it by creating enmity where there was no need for. For example, you mentioned an American scholar, Charles Cantalupo who edited certain historical textbooks. Now, any textbooks would’ve benefited greatly from so many talented professional Eritreans who have been gracing higher education institutions throughout North America for many decades in various fields of endeavors. Cantalupo did do some translation work of poetry of the late Dr. Russom and other Eritreans. I surmise Cantalupo’s background is in literature/poetry in the context of the US. But, Eritrean scholars would’ve made any textbooks far more robust and rigorous. Alas, we continue along the trajectory of the opposition and the supporters camp and in the process the nation and its people are suffering greatly.
    At any rate, back to curriculum and instruction. Samuel, do you by any chance know any work done toward literacy and citizenship. As you know, in the US a little over a century ago now, philosophers of education like John Dewey has had constructive impact. Without getting bogged down into details. In short, American thinkers thought by creating public education for every American until they finished high school proven to be the work of a genius. They, of course, didn’t stop there. They made sure notions of citizenship were inculcated in the school system along with raising literate children who will become active citizens.

    Notions of citizenship one can easily see it when kids are involved in mock voting whenever there are presidential elections. Of course, the Freire, Giroux, Macedo, Luis and many contemporary scholars have shown the importance of having literate citizens. What has Eritrea done in this regard, if you know? Perhaps, the article that the veterans in this forum are encouraging you to write could have these entries, because “to read the word is to read the world” stated Freire, who went on to show literacy’s emancipatory nature. In fact, Giroux, in a forward to Freire and Macedo (1987), “Literacy: Reading the word and the world”, states the following to show the importance of literacy in general and how Freire actively worked to apply it by going to different parts of the world, including Africa.

    “…The political nature of literacy [and its] fundamental theme in Freire’s early writings. This is clear in his graphic portrayals of movements designed to provide Third-World people with the conditions for criticism and social action either for overthrowing fascist dictatorships or for use in postrevolutionary situations where people are engaged in the process of national reconstruction. In each case, literacy becomes a hallmark of liberation and transformation designed to throw off the colonial voice and further develop the collective voice of suffering and affirmation silenced beneath the terror and brutality of despotic regimes” (p. 8)

    Of course, I wouldn’t expect the current regime in Eritrea to go out of its way to empower Eritreans via literacy; if anything, I expect it to do the exact opposite of the lengthy quote above. It would be really interesting to learn what and how the literacy campaign to eradicate illiteracy was being handled when you were there? Ethiopia’s Dergue, for example, had its literacy campaign where many of our mothers learned to read at rudimentary levels as a result of such campaign. I would be curious to know your take. But, more importantly, I hope you can put your thoughts in an article form so you may have an expansive chance to write at length.

    Welcome Aboard!
    Beyan

    • Paulos

      Selam Dr. Beyan,

      A moment at your very best. Lucid and crisp where one doubts if English is in fact your hyphenated language. One more sharp intellectual the young Samuel to look up to. You’re that good ma bro. God bless!

      • Bayan Nagash

        Selam Dottore,
        Your confidence in me is always energizing and it has this constructive impetus to a point of can’t help it but feel good knowing the source from which it emanates from.
        Thank you kbur hawway. I better get back to sihur and shall return to read Ismail AA’s entry.

        Cheers,
        Beyan

    • Dear Beyan,
      1. Cantalupo edited the textbooks for style and grammar. But I agree on the general point you made about how it would have been far superior if the task was executed by Eritrean academics. I also agree on the point you made on how the PFDJ squandered the benefits that could be had by attracting Eritrean scholars in the nation building process. That said, however, I have a less favourable view of the Eritrean educated class not because I am infected by the typical anti-intellectualism of the PFDJ but because I think it betrays the worst characteristics of third world bourgeoisie that Fanon penetratingly identifies in his The Wretched of the Earth. It is contemptibly coward, uninspiringly less ambitious, disengaged, and apolitical. To paraphrase Nietzsche, the principle by which this class of people live by is accumulate knowledge and education for a crass utilitarian end: garnering the highest possible income. It has not shown itself capable of dreaming beyond this.
      2. Yes, there is citizenship and civics education though I have no detailed knowledge of its content.
      3. On literacy: I do not have statistics and I can only speak as a keen observer but I think when it comes to this issue the PFDJ has something positive to show.

      P.s were you referring to Paulo Freire or he is another Freire? If yes, his pedagogy of the oppressed is one of my favorite books. He impressed me when I first read him in our book club sessions in Asmara.

      • Bayan Nagash

        Selam Samuel,

        Many thanks for your response and a balanced view that you try to furnish toward PFDJ, which is healthy as it shows you are not interested in political gains but addressing issues as you saw them, as you experienced them, and as you lived them. But, I wish you were not as harsh and as generalizing as you are toward the educated lot who hail from our Eritrea. Sure, there were and are some who befit your characterization, but I have to defend some of the individuals who also selflessly left their prestige to the serve the country who returned in disappointment because the ill educated, one who has had no high school education telling them how to do their job and many other obfuscations made it difficult. There are endless stories from educators to entrepreneurs to those who sheerly want to do right by their people, but were rebuffed by the very notion that you mentioned, namely, “anti-intellectualism of the PFDJ” that goes way back to its struggling years, one glaring example of which is its closure of the only intellectual hub – Asmara University – to only replace it with several colleges that cater toward technical colleges. Why couldn’t it be in addition instead of in place of is simple, because of that anti-intellectual tendency its gheldi culture was infected with and continued after independence as well. But I digressed.

        Thus, allow me to give two examples that I know of or heard of in which people like Dr. Debas who left the prestige that you talked about , who earned over a quarter of a million-a-year-job from being a dean of medical school at University of San Francisco to only return in disappointment. Check this brief bio of the man out http://history.library.ucsf.edu/debas.html.

        The other is Kassahun Checole of Red Sea Press. Here is a man who left packing to build printing press and did all the necessary infrastructures where PFDJ gave him access to land on which to build his publishing company. Had

        • Selam Beyan,
          You are right, I should have qualified my statements. Blanket generalization does not capture the reality. Will explain myself a bit more latter but for now let me state that my issue with them is that they did not put up a serious fight against the regime. They abandoned us the poor souls to our fate. Can you imagine a self-respecting educated class allowing its single institution to be demolished without raising a finger? what do you say to those who slavishly worked under military commanders like Col. Ezra instead of collectively pushing back against the system? Except a handful brave members of Asmara University, who wrote an oped or signed a petition when the government shipped students to Wia and other horrible prison sites? (Will back to ou with more of my thoughts on this )

        • Paulos

          G. Morning Dr. Beyan,

          Maybe the people you mentioned were too ambitious and maybe Isaias felt rattled and threatened by it.

          • Bayan Nagash

            Selam Dottore,

            You bring up an ethical and/or moral conundrum here. What other ambitions they could’ve had when all were more than willing to look the other way despite no constitutional government existing; despite the pockets of atrocities that were being committed. However much, however ambitious they may have been, they were not going to take his position if that’s what you meant by the man “[feeling] rattled” by these highly accomplished individuals. Perhaps, he couldn’t conceive that people would be willing to give up their extreme comforts of living in the west and were willing to go live in a nation that couldn’t offer them Tylenol or Excedrin for the endless migraine headaches they would’ve experienced or for the inevitable hypertension they would’ve developed by living under some such chaotic system. But, I think I see your point

            Nobody who shows brilliance in his/her profession above the small minded man is tolerated in Eritrea today. Again, that nation is suffering from some such hideous characters who are incapable of seeing the more of smart people the nation brings into its fold, the better off the country and its people will be.

            Beyan

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Beyan,

            Isaias is a realist. He came of age in a milieu where people were driven by self interest as opposed to altruism. He sees the world not as it ought to be but as it is. The question for him then is, what is the deal with the mentioned people after say, Medical School is built, particularly in a backward country such as Eritrea, where over-achievers are revered? Isaias, long ago, internalized the thought that, he can only survive in an environment he can control.

        • Selamat Prof Beyan,

          I am reading Samuel as addressing the intellectuals of his era or generation. Those who where educated in and outside Eritrea with Eritrean people’s funds, obtained their higher education and opted to look for opportunities across the globe. The class or generation of intellectuals you have mentioned may not have been on his radar, at least not fully.

          tSAtSE

          • Beyan Negash

            merHaba GitSAtSE,

            You may have a point. But, Samuel clearly alluded to this in his previous note as to whom he was talking about when he referenced how our educated lot did next to nothing when Asmara University was shutdown, save a handful who may have protested through their signatures in a petitioned letter that was sent to authority. Those who were educated abroad during the HS era and later during the Dergue will clearly fall in line with the assertions he is making in their lack of cohesively fighting back. I believe his rebuke reaches across the class line of and across generations and eras of the educated bunch that Eritrea is endowed with but never been made to a good and constructive use.

          • blink

            Dear GTsatse
            Infact these who were educated by Eritreans fund did enough and most were loyal to their people but not to the government. You have to blame these old guys who were enablers , and were smiling at Issaias ,while he was destroying the very best of their society. Check all these professors traveled to Eritrea from west , mention three professors that are in prison for challenging Issaias.
            I have seen them giving us different lousy reasons for not doing anything. Who are these professors? These people were dancing for Issaias from the day they set their foot in an independent Eritrea. Don’t blame the partly warsai type ,

            Netsa kem pilatos, siga aboy.

        • Alex

          Hi Beyan,
          There is a lot to disagree with the government when it comes with administration to higher education but the branching out of the old Asmara University to diversified colleges all over the country in not one them. The compound of asmara university when I visited the country last year is used by the growing orota school of Medicine and Asmara college of health. We know Asmara University can not be able to hold the growing number of students who join higher education every year. The government have been building new colleges like EIT, Hamelmalo college of agriculture and college of arts at adi keyhi with impressive new building the last few years. Personally I think some people are using the scattering of the colleges to all the zobas for political reason without any success. Let we concentrate on the short coming of the education system.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Hi Alex,
            I don’t know how much you know about what was really going at the university after the gvt rounded up the students and sent them to Wia in 2001. But I will have to guess you depend on the information of ‘Dmtsi hafash and EriTV’. The closure of the University of Asmara was definietly political and has nothing to do with UoA being old or small. If that was the case the Gvt would consult with the uni admin and and build a new one or new ones. Calling the closure of UoA ‘Branching out’ is really very naive to say the least. Branching out from which university? the closed one? Branching out to where to barracks without library, internet and any other facilities- not even toilets? About the number of students, it is all smoke scream. I won’t mention the caliber of the students joining the ‘branches’ and the quality of education (with no books, handouts) that was being provided as books can be written on these issues. When DIA talked to the uni staff he said that our products are self obsessed individuals. He did not mention that the university was old or small. He did not even tell us that he was going to close it. We knew from the clouds that were building around us something was going to happen. Well, until Osman called the deans to a meeting to break the ‘news’.
            The confusing created at that time was deliberate and politically motivated. Punto e basta!
            The ‘impressive new building’ at Adi Keyih was build to be a teacher training center. So tell me is this how you ‘branch out’ a University? you really must be joking to write what you did.

          • Alex

            Hi Dr Sarah,
            Since you were at Asmara university at the time you might know something that was going at the time. First you stated the new campus of the new colleges do not have toilets and liberaries that is not true at all and I will say they have better the UOA. Let’s say it was branched out for political reason. Based on the facts at this time the new colleges have better facilities and can hold large students than Asmara University. The new college of adi keyhi was built in 2009 and was not built at the time for teachers college. Finally I need to let you know I don’t relay on Eritrea TV for my info.

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Hi Alex,
            I was there and you were NOT. So you can not tell me that there were toilets let alone better than UoA: better facilities? Really?እዝጊሄር ፍራሕ። አብኡ ስራሕ እንተዝብሉኻ ሕራይ አምበልካን። ሓውኻ ከም ነብስኻ ፍቶ!
            Adi keyhi was not built in 2009. It was finished in 2010 and CASS moved there in the academic year of 2010/11. Building started long before that and was financed by an international org for teacher training. Please ask people at the ministry of education and learn more.
            The word ‘branch’ is used when you have a a live/working headquarter. The right was in what happened to UoA is ‘dispersed’ if not ‘dismantled’.
            Finally, you need to take your political hat when you talk about UoA. You seem to write from a mindset when it comes to UoA. Google about universities around wherever you are and see how OLD they are and how they EXPANDED. That should tell you what happened to UoA was WRONG.
            I don’t see the point of arguing with you. If you had your political hat off. you would have given me the benefit of the doubt.
            Give it a rest!

          • blink

            Dear Sara
            I was in UOA as student and as well as tutoring , all my tutorial class was with blackboard and wet duster, I used to be sick due to too much dust going through my nose ,and I am sure we are talking about a university that was simply empty building but the university was picking at a very good pace until the horrible, low standard lecturers come from India ,’Pakistan and I have no clue where all these low standards lecturers come from , I used to serve as a tutorial for some time and I found out that these stupid PFDJ guys were hiring idiots from any where with out any credible credentials ,that time I decided not to be fooled . The only reason it was closed was all but political not diversification of its zero sources, I was not familiar with it’s administration but I heard from people when I was there that the University was not able to administer itself because the government was doing everything to break it down( how do you think they feel about destroying one of the oldest and best know university in a poor country?they were infact too happy ) , news were going like as if we have tweets of the day. In fact there was building near to collapse , toilets ahmm no joking matter here the money that come to the university was spent outside the university . The university was accepting very limited number of students but that by itself was not the reason it got the attention. The man wanted it destroyed nothing more nothing less . At one time I was lucky to see another university in Africa and when I come back to UOA I understood that PFDJ were not doing good for simple reason and that is challenging times were ahead . I used to drink tea with one Indian political science lecturer just for the sake of curiosity to know politics , what I learned from my interactions with her was that the whole Eritrean system was all but a pipe to dictatorship ,this is just a side talk . I don’t know how all these colleges benefit from Asmara university closure but I don’t think there is any .

            Now, I hear my old university colleagues are doing fantastic job with the Finish guys and I don’t know how far will they go . One thing is certain, Issaias will put his hand and he will destroy any good.

            By the way I remember your Teshamo thing , did you have it in any form or shape ?

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Hi Blink
            PFDJ leader’s worst nightmare is knowledge/education. The fear was always there but it became his reality in 2001 when UoA students did not want to work for meagre pay. He felt they were empowered and when most of the staff confronted the then president of UoA and Monkey about the detention of the students, that was it! Gross insult of the century!
            However this has been coming on long before that. Staff were being spied no and some were being asked to be the eyes and ear of PFDJ to spy on their colleagues and students. So subduing the educated was a plan of DIA from 1991. It started with divide and rule then it moved to humiliating academic staff (by the UoA bosses) and belittling education, then by removing some for the wrong reasons …. Anyone who had open eyes and ears could see the trend everywhere. lots of things going on during those days/years!
            Yet they wanted the closure to be aback breaking surprise because they have tried to cheat us when all along we knew higher education as we knew it was to be no more. We did everything we could to stop it, launched MA programs, wrote proposals that brought hundreds of thousands of dollars etc. But DIA was set to close it.
            Anyway, Blink I don’t have the Teshamo recording. Hate to listen to my recorded self.
            Good day.

          • Paulos

            Alex,

            ኣቦታትና ክምስሉ ከለው እንታይ ይብሉ ‘መስለካ–ካብ ዘቃበረ’ስ ዘላቐሰ. You need to listen to what Dr. Sarah is saying, because she was there when turning Eritrea to mediocrity or when sending Eritrea back to the stone-ages was unfolding, instead of dumping here a መኸተ playbook or talking-points.

          • Alex

            Hi Paulos,
            When you write sometimes you need to take your political hut then that will allow to think and see straight. There is so many things most of us disagree with PFDJ when it comes to absence of rule of law, indefinite national service, not giving fertile ground to Eritrean business people who could have created lot of job’s and wealth in the country as they have done every other country they go. I still stand with my previous point I raised . When it comes to education and higher education the PFDJ did a better job but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done better if they could have listened to some intellectual Eritrans from abroad and inside the country on the short coming. I told you before that I am not member of PFDJ or mekete. Finally, Eritrea is not going to stone age when it comes to higher education. Based on my profession in Engineering, I have visited the Eritrea Institute of technology last year and spoke with facaulty and seen what is going on by my eye rather than hearsay.

          • halafi mengedi

            Paulos,

            Funny how they try to spin it as if they gov wanted diversification of locations of colleges. The gov was urged for the longest time to branch out University of Asmara to other cities or create new Uni/Colleges in other cities, it didn’t happen for whatever reason. Then, when they felt threatened by UoA students, they abruptly closed the university and hastily build colleges that look more like military barracks. The only objective was to disrupt whatever threat they felt was coming from university students. Everything good that happened after that, the credit goes to the tireless Eritrean graduate students and instructors like Samuel and a more than a few friends of mine who worked tirelessly to make sure their fellow citizens get decent education. An effort that was more than their pay scale in terms of both actual compensation and the kind of education they had. And that was DESPITE (i emphasize DESPITE) every kind of obstacles thrown at them by the government. So, still pfdj get an F on that too.

            hm

          • saay7

            Halafi Mengedi:

            Further confirmation that we can say of this image: “This is the whole Torah; the rest is all commentary.”

            https://twitter.com/saayounis/status/998431489116127232

            saay

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Hi HM
            Well said. I agree with you 100%. Credit and respect should be given to the graduate assistants who despite being on national service (no salary) they were not allowed to board the buses while the Expats who were pocketing thousands of dollars were using free transport to Mai Nefhi. Yet the GAs made it to Mai Nefhi barracks and did everything to get things to normalcy in that chaotic situation. Student preferred GA to prof Expats because they were doing it with passion; sharing their knowledge ብዘይቀልዓለም።
            They sorted out students grades, put offices in order etc.for what, just about 145 Nakfa. So yea, much credit to goes to them!

    • Ismail AA

      Hayak Allah Dr. Beyan,

      Your absence (as far as I am concerned) in the past few weeks was very much felt. But you came back when your unfailingly generous contribution is much needed. The points you have raised to encourage Samuel, a promising young intellectual, is timely. I am sure his mood would be energized, besides understanding how far we are thirsty for what he and his generation could do to salvage their nation and usher in an era of hope.

      The issue of education and its quality as you have lucidly explained is crucial in shaping the destiny of a nation; and it’s mind and soul soothing to have young intellectuals like Samuel take up education as area of activities.

      No wonder that worthy leaderships that have the best interest of their nations at heart do invest substantial chunk of their nation’s material capabilities to deploy internal and even external skills. Our nation in comparison to countries in similar stages of development is blessed by existence of experienced resident or expatriate professionals who could have been indispensable assets, which the regime has so far failed or did not wish to deploy even though Samuel has a valid point in statin his misgivings about some of them. Not because for they did not risk their lives by unnecessarily challenging the regime, but because the greater portion of them have remained (and still do) indifferent vis-a-vis the struggle if succeeds could open for them the gate to help their people.

      Ramadan Kerim.

      • Bayan Nagash

        Kbret yihabellay Ismail AA.,

        The human spirit, time and again, proves to us that it thrive even when the daunting odds are stack against its intellectual capacity. Samuel is exemplary example in how by creating reading club they were able to transgress the system, the regime that was bent out of shape in creating only skilled workers who could write and read as it relates to their attendant technical profession. Reason why the regime dismantled the only university that existed in the country to replace it with these so called technical colleges.

        It so happened I am reading the book I cited to Samuel earlier. Giroux, again, magnificently captures this notion of keeping the mass in the ignorant bliss state of mind by controlling their literacy skills. For example, he stipulates in how capitalist countries like the US skillfully deprive the mass. In his words, the kinds of literacy the US provides is “… aim[ed] at providing working-class and minority kids with reading and writing skills that will make them functional and critical within the school environment. In this perspective, literacy is more often than not tied to a deficit theory of learning…” (p. 4).

        This kind of literacy Giroux argues “is that schools unevenly distribute particular skills and forms of knowledge so as to benefit middle-class over working-class and minority students…[Thus,] literacy becomes a form of privileged cultural capital and subordinate groups, it is argued, deserve their distributional share of such cultural currency” (p. 4). This might be what Samuel was referring to when he suggested that PFDJ might have done better than expected in the realms of literacy. Dergue’s literacy campaign can hardly be said it did any meaningful literacy projects that could the common individual could rise to become an intellectual of the highest order. So, the regime in Eritrea might be offering its own children the highest quality of education while depriving the commoners. But, I don’t want to circumvent nor preempt Samuel’s thought processes on this and will wait for his elaboration. I suspect, he may have been one of the lucky few who have had that opportunity to gain the system or just sheer disposition toward intellectual prowess that rendered him capable to transgress the regime’s intellectual averse tendencies.

        W’allahl Akram – Ramdan Kareem to you, likewise.

        BN

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Dr. Beyan,

          The expropriation by undemocratic rulers of education and distribution of resources in classified societies has been, and continued to be, devastatingly retarding mechanism of keeping them under control. When material progress and development is supposed to be antidote against such policies, the paradox is that they remain progress and development neutral as you have noted in your example of the USA.

          Under pyramidal system of education designed to cater for the benefit of the ruling classes, there is no way for the disadvantaged sections of society save individual efforts to wade through the odds and challenges. That is what Samuel might have done as thousands of poor like myself did before.

          During heydays of radical student activism in the present Addis Ababa University campus, my peers used to joke that Ras Mesfin Sileshi of Shoa had complained to Emperor Haile Sellassie by saying: ተፈሪ! የደሃ ልጅ ኣታስተምር ብየ ኣልመከርኩም when the student union’s spilled over the campus walls to challenge the imperial order. Those days the greater majority of college students came from poor families. Hence, the ordeal education has been suffering in our country and has been wreaking havoc is one of the traits that distinguish dictatorships.

          • Beyan Negash

            Dear Brother Ismail AA,

            Well said and well put. Samuel, with his latest lecture might surprise you when you learn about his background to which I tried to highlight. A picture of a gregarious young man is emerging and I am liking what I am seeing. I think I am going to just be a good student and complete the assigned readings he kindly offered before the next one arrives. I don’t like being late when it comes to readings. It is only seven pages long.

            Beyan

  • Selamat and Get READY

    for the Big Pay Back…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istJXUJJP0g

    tSAtSE

  • lelom

    [begin your comments with salutations.]

    you guys like Blinks are always busy about EPDRF/ TPLF staff but you guys are not willing to see and analyze which is going on Eritrea and the Solutions too …. Me as Eritrean i prefer to talk on what is happening and act on it and give logical and honest answer on the below stated point by point.

    1)What is meant to be independent for Eritreans? is it only from separation point of view or it has some psychological impacts?
    • What could have we done differently?
    • What opportunities did we miss?
    2)What did Eritrean get a special thing from its Independence unlike before?
    • Why did we fail to make more friends than enemies?
    • What could have we done better to avoid costly conflicts?
    • Why are others conspiring against us?

    3)What is the logical difference B/n the Eritrean situation before independence and after independence, Regarding on economically, politically and on other factors?
    • Where did we fail?
    • Did we learn from our failures?

  • Selamat to ALL,
    AND THANK GOD it is FRIDAY! TGIF! Weekend RULES!

    Two for da Fros and Bros!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZ2JBVXgpA

    GitSAtSE

  • Selam All,

    The two main religions of christianity and islam may have been exploited and continue to be exploited by their leaders for their own selfish motives, nevertheless, religion was not the terrible things that happened to humanity. The Popes of Rome sent crusaders to the holy lands to increase their wealth by ransacking the region, and the sheiks from the other side also used religion to increase their influence and wealth. Therefore, the culprit is not religion, but religious leaders.

    These problems will gradually belong to the past. The new and dangerous religion is the so called neo-liberalism, free market, globalization and uncontrolled exploitative capitalism. We are living in the age when aggressive capitalism is above the law and above the state demanding for the freedom to exploit everything and everybody without control by the state.

    Wars are fought for its sake, countries (iraq, libya, syria, palestine, and others, and nobody knows who will be the next target) are destroyed, and crimes no less than genocide are committed.
    On the social fields the middle class is disappearing, the worker is suffering from mass joblessness worsening every year, or at best they have become half time workers, they are lured to vote to power right wing neo-fascists and white supremacists (trump, brexiters, european neo-fascist leaders, zionists, etc), wages are plummeting, the welfare state (which was a safety valve against the inhuman exploitation of the society by capital) is disappearing, the rich are paying less and less taxes on top of the money they hide in the black holes of offshore companies, etc, and the simmering uncertainty for the future is simply a nightmare in the world where wmd are a reality and they could get into the hands of any dictator, by the constitution in the case of people like trump.

    Social unrest in the near future is simply too obvious to be denied by anybody, the outcome of which could be too painful for all, that includes the rich capitalists as well who are the culprits.

    Neo-liberals destroyed many arab countries so that they could continue to exploit their oil to the maximum and there is a lot of anger, their blind exploitation of their resources continues and africans are kept in their sorry state and there is a lot of anger there too, the mass immigration, and the things happening in venezuela and argentina in south america.

    Therefore, one should not dwell on religion, but feel worried about the looming danger that is the result of blind and inhuman exploitation by the voracious and insatiable capitalism and neo-liberalism.

    Neo-liberalism is destroying the human face of early liberal capitalism, which created jobs, income for the workers, the welfare state, and through taxation allowed social improvement for the masses, etc. Here is where we can say that the very existence of humanity itself is at stake because of the new religion of the rich (neo-liberalism, exploitative capitalism) as opposed to the religion of the poor (christianity, islam), which we knew up to now.

    Without being a religious fanatic, i think that the teachings and wisdom of the christian religion and islam may be the panacea we are looking for, for future peace and harmony and respect for the well being of all humanity.

    • Mez

      Dear Horizon:

      Honestly, your write-up above reminds me of the yesteryear slogan: “ሠው በላው ኢምኘኜሪያሊዝም “. We should know by now way more than what you said.

      thanks

      • Selam Mez,

        So, you think that what i said is outlandish and exaggerated. Let me ask, do you think that 1) neo-liberalism, globalization, free market and less government is taking human beings towards prosperity, security and equality for all, 2) the far-right, neo-fascists, white supremacists are benign phenomena, 3) the interventions in iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria and the political crisis created now in palestine by the actions of trump will give the region peace and harmony and it is for the good of the region, and 4) the $150 bn illegally extracted money out of africa every year will help develop the continent?

        Innocent children are gunned down in schools, because the gun lobby, on whose side is the present president of the usa, is strong enough to profit even from the death of its own citizens, because there is no gun control.

        Imperialism was countered by communism, despite the later’s so many faults. Today neo-liberalism is the only world power, and the main reason it is more dangerous than it used to be.

        • Mez

          Dear Horizon,

          What you said IS NOT “outlandish and exaggerated”.

          Your discussion points are very fundamental, albeit they are more of ideological nature. Study of ideology is more of dogma than science (as such).

          In conversations on ideology, there is no winner; there is no loser either.
          Our region had lost at least a generation due to ideological divides.

          Thanks

  • @george

    Dear all…

    Have you, Eritreans, notice that Berhe, paulos, halafi mengedi, ayate go bananas when one mentions Ethiopia. I mean what Eritrean do you know who would get emotional defending TPLF, the most backward organization to ever exist on the face of the earth. Anyway, I have taken the opportunity to give them a collective names. And i have also decided to have Abi do the honor of selecting the best acronym.

    WIPE= Wayane Internet Police Enforcer

    WIP= Wayane Internet Police.

    TIP= Tplf Internet police

    well you get the idea. I mean

    As far as the Eritrean official and historical comment, so what, if he made some story that does not jive with some people. People make mistake or say stuff. The guy is old. What about you guys, swiping lame debate about nothing. At least he is defending Eritrea. I take him any day than say, SAAY, who, instead of coming up with creative story, spends his time cheering the propaganda of the United Satan, american murderous empire. SJ, i am very disappointed by the way.

    cheers..

    • FishMilk

      Hi @george. You are indeed right as those you have mentioned will go on auto drive to defend Ethiopia (TPLF) to the hilt and will at all costs never really criticize her. Why would an Eritrean exhibit such behavior? They simply wouldn’t. I personally like WIPE.

    • Paulos

      ሰላም ገርግስ,

      You have ቀባሕባሕ and ዓሳጸባ [Wonder if it is both are good source of protein] for audience which I think is fairly reasonable size given the yawn-O-meter as a parameter.

    • Abi

      Hello @george
      Abi is honored to call you “Curious #george”.

    • saay7

      @george:

      Happy Friday! So your defense of Alamin is “people make mistake or say stuff. The guy is old.” That’s it? Baldongakha wedieka or do you have more?

      1. Alamin is the same age as Isaias.
      2. The problem with his making mistakes and staying stuff is that it is habitual and has grave consequence. For example, this is what he said about the G-15:

      Although just before the Third Offensive, some of them may have been saying things, what brought things to the surface was after the Third Offensive. This was not a happenstance. During these trying times, while the Eritrean people and its army were heroically defending the nation using all their resources and sacrificing themselves in the thousands, they took a wrong and defeatist stand. Beginning from the day we withdrew from Barentu, they started saying, ‘We cannot stop the challenge and the onslaught of the Woyane Offensive. The Woyane won’t leave us alone unless the President resigns; so he should resign. If the Woyane occupy to the entire country, they will destroy our people so we should call on the UN and the US to take over and save us.’ For senior leaders of the Front to take this kind of stand requires accountability.

      – Hadas Ertra, No 11, August 10, 2011

      And this is what the G-15 said about what he said:

      Not a single individual from the 15 accused said anything like the above. If there is anyone who has evidence that states otherwise, we call on them to present their evidence. …Because most of the people were led to believe that after the first shot of the Third Offensive we were going to show miracles, the concern they had developed during the first days of the war turned into extreme anger and questioning the leadership of the war once we withdrew from Barentu. And because the war was being led by the president himself, it was natural that a great deal of the talk dealt about him…. If anyone, including the president, is culpable, his crime and his accuser should be presented openly; he should have access to a lawyer, his rights should be respected and the case made in an independent court. Any step taken outside this context is illegal and will have repercussions.

      – Eritrean Private Press, August 11, 2001

      So, the problem with the “old” man is that he makes stuff up that have dire consequences for Eritreans and Eritrea. And since he is your mekhete leader, his recklessness with facts and truth has become a toxic culture that has led Eritrea to a deadend.

      saay

      • @george

        hello Saay,
        First I am disappointed because you did not greet me by saying “dear @George” or something like that. You should know by now we, the mekete type are super sensitive.
        2ND for a guy who preaches about facts and data….you provided nothing that would prove that this alamin guy is making stuff up. The toxicity you blabbering about is coming from the likes of you. Those, so called educated yet with out common sense. what is the tigrian saying, cat with one song or blind song is one whatever, Mr. WIPE( woyane internet policy inforcer) aka BERHE know it, ask him. Anyway, The fact that you are singing the same song and unable to extract yourself from position you held for the last 20 years tells a lot about you.
        All your article are the same. GOE/PIA bad, USA /UN good, Ethiopia- lets not talk about it. Even your regular customers, Ethiopian and WIPE members I am sure tired of you. You got to think outside the box. Stop cheering UN is extremely boring, uncreative and frankly beneath you.
        I am your customer sell me something other than free speech bla bla. We live post IRAQ war nobody that is sane would believe UN. UN was created to take your right. Not to protect your right. You think Rockefeller who gave the land for the building of united nation did it out of love for humanity.
        yours George.

        • saay7

          Selamat (Plural) @george!

          Its so much fun to debate mekete types because they don’t even remember what they said. This culture comes from the top (Sudan is our ally. No! Sudan is our enemy! Qatar is our ally. No, Qatar is our enemy! etc) so you can’t blame them but @george you did say (a long time ago, ie. yesterday) “People make mistake or say stuff. The guy is old.” So not only did you admit that he made a mistake but you gave a reason for it: he is old. Now you are telling me that I provided nothing that proves “this Alamin guy is making stuff up.” Really? He made stuff up when (a) he said that Eritreans were writing 400 years ago when Europe wasn’t; (b) he said the Negash story is a lie; (c) the 1 million year old fossil is that of an Afar Eritrean; (d) human rights is respected in Eritrea.

          The Berhe is WIPE thing is not working for you because the accronym sounds strained, try harder. Besides, whether you like it or not, Berhe is an independent mind: he has criticized Weyane many times and it is not his fault if you didn’t read him.

          Now, what is making you jump to USA, UN Rockefeler, Ethiopia, Iraq etc when all I did here is show you that this same man who makes stuff up as he goes (that would be “this Alamin guy”) made the same stuff up about the G-15 and you mekhete types ate it up because you never ask for evidence. He played you then and judging by the tweitterverse of the mekhete types he is playing you again.

          And, no, @george, you are not my customer. Didn’t you see the sign: merchant reserves right to refuse service to anyone. Kidding! And, oh, you can add US to your mekehete type revolving policy of friend-enemy-friend: weren’t you begging it to establish a base in Eritrea in 2003-04?

          saay

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Alex,

    You are a nice guy and I hope to find time to write in length.

    Let me just say, ok you heard the government narrative (one side of the story), but you have to hear other side, and make an informed decision.

    Corruption, Nacfa hording, human trafficking, or what ever the excuse might be are just symptoms and not the actual disease.

    The real disease is with government and its policy, which caused for all this to happen.

    That’s what I mean you should look the other side.

    Again, please think, Eritrea is like any other African country, and why these symptoms should affect it. Have you thought about the fact that the country has not been run as a normal country with all institutions, but instead it a play ground of PFDJ with no accountability from anyone.

    Berhe

  • AMAN

    Greetings All
    >
    Shalom Awates,
    >
    I think I could have been a politician too;
    if this is what you call and had been calling
    politics.
    I was just distancing myself so much and
    leaving the spot to others out of courtesy
    and respect to the Nation and people.
    Alas
    I guess I was wrong while I was right in many
    ways.
    Well it is time to adjust and continue the public
    service empowered again now that once more
    I knew that you all had been going the wrong
    way knowingly or without knowing what you
    had been doing.
    Yours Again
    AMAN

  • blink

    Dear All
    Money especially the hard currency is drying out in Ethiopia and trading by LC Is becoming too hard for some companies with that in mind or another motive the Abi government is saying they will ask international money pockets to tip them names of Ethiopians . Abi government can’t win this fight unless he do something special to the western based bank society, I don’t know how he can open the names of the weyane guys.

    One dollar =27. …points. It means the exchange rate of birr against Eritrean money is a good money making place .

    The lousy Sibhat Nega is pensioner now , it is becoming clear that all Adwa guys are out from the money machine.

    • FishMilk

      Hi Blink. Bank rate in Ethiopia is now 27.53 on the dollar but it is bringing 35 on the black market. The TPLF that have not already taken hard currency out of the country are really desperate to do so now.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi FM and blink,

        At least they have a bank and governer of the bank that is compliant with all international banking system.

        Currency going up / down is normal in an economic cycle. Naturally Ethiopia is spending a lot in infrastructure which will eat most of its hard currency.

        But they have a lot of ways and means to bring hard currency if they are willing to open up a little to the outside world.

        How on earth can we even compare with what we have in Eritrea. A government just horded all the money and dropped the exchange rate from 60 Nacfa to 15. And to top that, no body is allowed to withdraw cash more than 5K a month.

        I don’t know which plant you guys you live on, you should not even bring it up let alone discuss it as experts.

        Berhe

        • Selam Berhe,

          It is all about the manifestation of the Schadenfreude syndrome they suffer from. Whenever ethiopia faces a problem of one sort or other, big or small, it becomes a great news for them. Ethiopia getting bankrupt and young oromos returning to the streets are some of their dreams for ethiopia.
          Much more than what is good for eritrea, the thing that is continuously on their mind is what misfortune ethiopia will meet the next minute. This way they want to make eritrea great. How did eritrea end up with such friends?

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon. How long have you and Berhe Y been TPLF Stepford wives for? Good to see that you share an intimate commonality.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi FM,

            I think you should make your arguments intelligently and support them with facts. For example, you can google “Ethiopia Credit Rating” and you will get the rating from all international rating agencies such as Mood’s S&P and others. Ethiopia is rated “good B”. Eritrea is no where to be found, I don’t think it is even rated.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Horizon,Berhe and Abi
            Relax guys , there’s hardly a day with good news in our region , it’s a fact Eritrea is under unnormal dictatorship and there is no point debating about open facts . There is a difference between a pledged democratic state and an isolated dictatorship. So what’s the point about a medium company controlled by small scavengers , Eritrea is a medium contraband company.

            Why do I bring Ethiopian economic situation and the Sibhat Nega, well I think you would like not to read such things yet it is an avoidable to forget but it doesn’t mean I should . As three of you are weyane guys and are legends of awatecom forum stack in here defending, what’s not fair about giving you the news you hate ?

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berne Y. Have you seen that the President of the Development Bank of Ethiopia has just submitted his resignation to the Prime Ministers Office? DBE is in a real mess these days as a result of high rate of loan default. This will further scare international investors who are already worried from the Dangote incident. The black market rate for the birr is racing higher and higher.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berne Y. See Sheik Al Amoudi will be soon be released from Saudi Arabia prison life. Do you believe that he will return to Ethiopia and try to act as things were before in terms of his wheelings and dealings with the TPLF?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear FM,

            I am trying to ignore you because, because what happens in Ethiopia really doesn’t concern me.

            I only get to respond to remind you that, we should look at our own problems before we predict doom and gloom on Ethiopia.

            I repeat, compare to us, they have it 100 times better.

            Berhe

          • Selam FishMilk,
            Don’t drag eritrea and its people with you to your low level. There will be no future for totalitarian regime apologists and strongman worshipers.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            I’m puzzled why you keep debating this desert Snake with multiple nicknames whose dreams are to see Ethiopia explode into pieces.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Berhe Y. Isn’t Azeb Mesfin the Governor of the Ethiopian banking system? Dude, there are no international banks in Ethiopia, for if they were present, crazy uncontrolled loans to TPLF cronies would never have transpired over the past three decades. Ethiopia is now basically a bankrupt country. YOU seem to be the only one that wishes to compare financial institutional arrangements in Ethiopia with those in Eritrea and it is YOU that is always overly defensive about paradiso Ethiopia.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi FM,

            No I am not “overly defensive of Ethiopia”. Honestly, I have no idea who is and who does what in Ethiopia. I am amazed how much you guys knows so much in what’s going in Ethiopia, and your obsession is what amaze me.

            At the same time, you have interest to show any compassion for the suffering the Eritrean people are going through under the PFDJ.

            Let me ask you this, who is the governer for the Eritrean bank? Does the Eritrean bank has any record and credibility in how it deals with loans. For example, the bond money it sold to Eritreans or the shares in sold to the Nacfa corporation? Have they ever paid anyone back?

            I can tell you without knowing all the details, Ethiopia does make payments to it’s loans and they have never defaulted in meeting their obligations be it Ethiopians or Foreigners.

            Berhe

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berhe Y. Again, you don’t get it or you simply don’t want to get it: Because one is critical of Ethiopia, who is illegally occupying and trying to economically strangle Eritrea, does not mean that that they support the PIA/PFDJ regime. Do you know how many times you just contradicted yourself?

          • Peace!

            Hi FishMilk,

            What border occupation, I think we have outsourced that to ግንቦት 7?

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi FM,

            If you moto was “injustice any where is injustice every where” then I would respect you. But you guys day and night, starting from the president preach about the rights of Ethiopian people, Oromo people etc. without mentioning any right of the Eritrean people.

            What I am against and I will not shy to point out is, how you guys come in here and try to sell us, that Eritrea is doing better compared to Ethiopia.

            Of course when you have nothing to defend about, you resort to name calling, weyane this, weyane that and always ready to bring your point of argument…Badime and boarder demarcation…

            Berhe

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berne Y. I am neither saying that Eritrea is doing better than Ethiopia, nor am I reluctant to blast the PIA/PFDJ regime, for which I do not support. However, In so long as Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land and tries to economically strangle Eritrea and her people, it is indeed an enemy of Eritrea and should be treated as such. Should Ethiopia withdraw from Badme, I would thereafter devote 100% of my efforts towards long overdue Eritrean Government overhaul/reform.

          • Hope

            Selam Berhe:
            Dude ,with all due respect ,the message here is:
            If we are debating and discussing Eritrea vs Ethiopia,which is the de facto case scenario,here are the facts:
            -Ethiopia,despite all kinds of help it is getting,still it is the MOST BANKRUPT suffering from close to $50 Billion Debt!

            -Whereas Eritrea,despite all kinds of sanctions,sabotages,isolation,containment and all kinds of Evil Agenda from all angles so as to make Eritrea collapse overnight economically ,politically,diplomatically,militarily and get wiped out as a Nation or face the fate of Libya,Somalia,Syria or Iraq,has survived all kinds of thevTsunsmis under the Sun and even outshines and has stood FIRM on its two legs!

            U can bluff tons about Corruptions,Bad Banking and Bad Economic System,Exodus ,Injustice and crimes and what not,which NO body is denying including FM.

            Make NO mistake though,that no sane Eritrean is justifying or chastising all the above failures,weaknesses and Injustices but most of us believe that these might be also related or aggravated by,at least partially,to the above hellish obstacles and challenges Eritrea as a Nation has gone through,which NO sane human being can deny or refute under any circumstance or by any excuses.

            But the reality and the truth of the mater is,that Eritrea is standing Tall at the end of the day,instead of facing the fate of Libya or Syria or Somalia!

            That itself is a HUGE SUCCESS.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Hope. You hit the nail on the head! I agree with you 100%!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            Enkilalo. YiKunelka.
            Why do you repeat Syria, Somalia and Libya.

            Why did you forget to mention, Tunisia, Egypt, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe and few others who went through change of government.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Meches niska tik tebelka kem Maetsid eka. Listen , there was no change of government in Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, to certain extent in Egypt. Tunisia is the one

          • Berhe Y

            Blink,

            Why don’t you and the others like stay focused and discuss the topic you raised re: Ethiopian economy.

            You see you have no legs to stand on. You just throw a line here and a line there and hijack the forum.

            Why don’t you backup your claim, that you can make profit
            “It means the exchange rate of birr against Eritrean money is a good money making place .”.

            Berhe

          • Natom Habom

            SELAM HOPE
            EVERYTHINK YOU SAID VERY TRUE
            BUT BERHE LIKE TO HEAR LIE ONLY

      • blink

        Dear FM
        You remember the WB gave Ethiopia 600 million dollar injection for the short shock . Ethiopian debt is unpayable even after 20 years , there are 7:8 million people are at the receiving end of USAID marked wheat and many projects are overwhelmingly over budget plus we can see how hard currency is hitting the poor. Some people will make big money due to the currency fluctuations .

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      The abi gov, dream on.
      U mean abiy?
      Any way i thought u said u want see sibhat nega to have fun in tigrai and eat a lot of “tileho” before he die.
      Did u forget that?

      • blink

        Dear Teodrose
        Yes I did not forget that and I actually kind of celebrated that with my Gonder friend . What I wished did happen and I am again wishing Abi government to do something with interest rate as well as screw Sibhat Nega if ever he has stashed money abroad . I am kind of celebrating.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          I think here in awate there r two groups, the 1st group, they r ur friends and they know the rules of engagement.
          The 2nd groups u know, they know u too.
          What is the porpoise anyway? U give up or what.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            First I was spelling PMA wrongly (Abi) and second I missed your reply completely , pls help me understand about the group thing.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            The 1st group r ur team , meaning they understand ur sarcastic support of sibhat nega but they act as if u r eri . they r part of ur game
            2nd group r. They know who u r but they ignore ur zigzagness and want to engage u with manner.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            It’s just like going to long flight , sitting, sleeping, reading the tourist megazins ,talking to your neighbor , going to toilet, eating , drinking while talking to hostess and at last exchanging email address if you are lucky you meet a person you are interested. Sibhat Nega is the evil man of all and seeing him fall from his place is simply beyond any word .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U love him more than ur own biological father, r u kidding me, u wish him a happy tileho in adi grat man.
            That is what am saying ur group r ur group but the rest of the people knows ur sarcastic behavior and ur natural zigzag disruption of fact based conversation.
            I know u don’t admit it but u don’t need to see conservative dialog between the forumers here .and am using my phone.
            Say hi to abi u.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Really? Is that what you mean , come on . I don’t have any favorite people from weyane leaders ever since I heard their name . Sibhat Nega wish was simply to see him in Adi grat away from the political hub of Ethiopia. The man has been fueling the antagonizing view to some weyane goons . He is the one looking happier at the suffering of Eritreans and I was always wishing him to die slowly with the agony of excuses.

            Are you saying I am causin to Eyob and Tesfai. K , come on what is wrong with you ? Is this Friday evening already at your place.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            1st, what is tplf? they say 1 thing but do another, u do the same thing.
            2nd, they don’t wanna see a United eritrea within herself and a United ethiopia within herself , u do same thing.
            3, they don’t wanna see any kind of peaceful neighbor coexistence between eri and ethio if they r not above it , u do the same thing.
            4, u defend tplf interest on so many occasion sarcastically,
            1, i have seen u to try to defend the original policy of tplf by linking it to kedamey weyane.
            2, in so many occasions u keep telling us tplf is alive and kicking but eri(isaias) is dead, knowingly By ignoring the reality on the ground.
            3, 4,..100
            5,…99…..

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I lost everything you are saying because the way you put it is simply outlandishly from a new carton packed with items I have no clue.

            I just wanted Eritreans to merge on to Eritreansim away from any Habesha that has to do with Ethiopia because we have to learn from past mistakes.

            I really don’t care about what kind of Ethiopia for tomorrow but it do bother me when they use Eritrea to cover their evil plan. What did I say about Eritreans in Ruwanda cycling event ? Come on I thought you are here . You see, teodrose your assumption about me is totally out of line by 180 . Issaias ahm what is lively about him ? Getting confused 🤷‍♂️ about me , ok ok I understand I have to call my Gonder friend.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            What is the use of jumping all over the place though? Starting wishing a happy tileho for aboy sebhet to defending tplf zigzag style.
            U did comment about the cycling event?

          • Saleh Johar

            Anta Blink,
            Ezom Habeshas entay gernaka? If you have specific Habesha you do not like, specify them, but it is not wise to poke on all Habesha day in and day out. Unfortunately, for you, I cannot peel off my Habesha identity. Live with it dear unless you fancy being a racist, which I hope you don’t though you might think racism against Habesha is kosher, or patriotic 🙂

            Your friend, Saleh Al-Habeshi, or Saleh the Habesha!!!

          • Aron

            Hi SGJ,
            Amen to that, I second.
            Aron the habesha

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Araon,
            Isn’t Amen an appeal to have your prayer answered? I didn’t pray for any identity but that is already a fact. 🙂

          • Aron

            Selam SGJ,
            I think you need to pray so blink won’t be able to change the facts as we know it😁.
            Aron the habesha

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Come on , How is killing, murdering be a common thing ? There is no individual called Habesha but A shrouded nickname coupled with heinous vision to paint . What’s fact about Habesha ?

          • Aron

            Hi dear blink.
            You see I told SGJ you would say something nasty like denying his I’d to pray. I used to get mad at your utterances before but now you are a joke in my book. I still think awate should not let you call an entire habesha race murderers even if you are a joke.
            Aron the habesha

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            I think you forgot last time you told me , you wish to see the Agazians . You have been a joke for me for longer time . I always find some Amhara and sometimes Tigrians call me and ask if I am Habesha and I reply, I never heard of such thing ,if they go on to ask more , I tell them I am Eritrean again the come up with dubious ad we are one people and they go on to claim the Eritreans and Ethiopians are one people “ one religion, language, culture and they go on to tell old time was great bla bla , which are all lies. The lies under the name is all about not telling the truth of killings.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Blink,
            I agree with you. If you don’t want to be called habesha that is fine. Is that nationality or an ethnicity?
            I just don’t take negatively if Ethiopian emphasis- cultural similarity…

            You have to be able to make a distinction between Ethiopian people and policy of Ethiopian government otherwise you will find yourself angry or pissed at a people who you have more in common with than let’s say american, chinese, indian, etc… other ethnic community you are surrounded withe diaspora.

          • blink

            Dear Abdulworld
            I don’t subscribe to anything that has to do with the “ we are one people “ I believe Eritreans didn’t benefit from anything that has to do with Ethiopia, remember Eritreans interactions was and still is only to part of the Tigrinya speakers and if we digg more in to that all of these from Eritrea side were more Ethiopians than Eritreans. Just begin from the 40th most beneficials of the common you are referring were the goons of hailesillassie and if check now all of these weyane goons have all the indicators are there openly. The interest of Eritrea and Eritreans is completely different from the daily hush hush of Habesha . You see people like Aron and forthe most part many in this openly express sympathy to the agazians .

          • Aron

            Selam Dear blink,
            First of agazian means descendant of the geez language. You said I forgot what I said yesterday. Dear blink I forgot nothing. I am agazi habesha thousand times through. I know you don’t like It but I am tigrigna through and through. Those things are the same and one. However much hair splitting you do the tigrigna people are the same. It behooves you to have your head examined since you have this serious low feelings about yourself and your id you are in continuous attack mode of others id.
            You are so paranoid you even attack the religion you were born into. Not believing in religion is one thing but to demonize your dads and moms religion in public with utter disrespect is another. I don’t know who you are trying to impress but we in Eritrea see you for what you are, we the people aren’t impressed by your disrespect. We know how to give and take respect and disagree gracefully.
            Secondly, you attack everything and everyone who have different view from you and pfdj. You throw us bones here and there that you disagree with the govt and completely change the subject into Ethiopia and whatever else is the chosen argument to stir us clear from our gov’t
            Dear blink, it maybe a joke to you but our enemies succeeded splitting us tigrigna people to divide and conquer us not so long ago. A well read guy like you knows fully well our enemies succeeded splitting us to divide and conquer us since its well documented fact by historians and contemporary writers. But you and your likes always harp and say it is tplf plot there are unionists and make union between the same people sound it is the ultimate sin or crime of the millennium.I actually believe the opposite. It is the tplf always pushing us away for their own reasons. If pfdj and eprdf are removed from power chances that tigrigna people will be able to reunite I believe is greater. It is the grassroots in Eritrea working hard for the reunification despite crazy leadership at the top of the agazian movement and less enthused tegaru at this time. Hard work usually pays off. There will be time for strong nation like ours to be United like it used to and I hope it will be in my life time.
            Aron the habesha.

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            What I believe is not really against my family or anything that you hold dearly hold on to. Opposite to what you said I am quite patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it. The most stupid things ever done by some Eritreans is claiming brotherness with south and the witnessing killing each other , I will not have patience for such stupidity. The Tigrians are quite tribal about every region of Tigria and to assume these people are brothers with wide range Eritreans is the peak of stupidity. TPLF is almost dying and PFDJ is almost dying but the death of PFDJ wouldn’t be a green dream for you to slash your vision because there are millions of Eritreans who will be gladly pay your bus ticket to Tigria with all your unionists or so called agazians of the Habesha decorators .

            You can ask SG or anyone in this forum to contribute their cents for your bus ticket .

          • Aron

            Selam blink,
            No my friend, you don’t need contribution to go to bejastan my brother. I by myself will take care of all your bills I promise for you to move out to a peaceful Sudan or bejastan.
            Aron the habesha.

          • saay7

            Selam Aron the Habesha:

            Until Paulos and Abi come back with their own interpretations, I have been reading a book (The throne of Adulis) and there is a chapter entitled “The Kingdom of Axum”, relating to analyzing the inscription found on the throne and copied by a merchant in the 6th century (the throne is gone.). The warrior-king is not identified but the author says that it’s none other than the negus in Axum—a pagan kind dedicating his conquest to Mahrem (Ethiopia’s equivalent of the Greek Ares). Although Geez was their language, the lingua franca was Greek and, of course, like the Greeks this Negus claims to be the son of god but that’s not my interest. This is:

            The Negus inscription (in Greek) is about his conquest which begins thusly “…I fought the tribe of Gaze, then won victories over the Agame and Siguene….” and then he goes on to list everybody he conquered, most of him are unrecognizable to us now “the Aua, Zingsbene, Aggabe, Tiamaa, Athagoi, Kalaa, and Samene…Lasine, Zaa, Gabala…Atalmo, Beja…Annene and Metine… Sesea…Rauso…Solate ….. Arabitai and the Kinaidocolpitai…Leuke Kome….”

            Now, in interpreting each place, the author of the book says this about the Tribe of Gaze: it “can be located in the region called Agazi (Aga’aze) in the plateau overlooking the sea north of Massawa.”

            My question is: was/ is there such a place in the Massawa area? And since you identify yourself as Agazi is that like the holy place for Agazians? :). This is not a serious question: it’s from a Gay fasting and trying to make the time go by.

            saay

          • Aron

            Hi saay,
            I’m glad you are fasting and please do remember me in your prayers since I am in very trying times.
            About the aga aze I don’t have any idea. My knowledge and understanding of agazi is not that deep. I know it is a derivation of geez which means of geez. If there is agazi Mecca outside axum I am not aware of it but I will try to read more and expand my knowledge. When I come back I am going to read the throne of adults. Ramadan Kareem.
            Aron

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            If you are looking for definition, you better start with Habesha. The word Habesha has nothing to do with people but geographically large swaths of places and in that place you will be hard pressed to find your own . By the way try new way of solving your trying times is quite quick . I find it amusing to see you worried, As theist you should never complain no matter what happens in the to you because nothing happens without your almighty’s will. So if I break your head, murder your kin, dont blame me. God made me to do it and saay can do nothing about it because he is not god and never met him . I am saying the truth sir.

          • Aron

            Selam blink,
            I believe in God and true enough I do pray. If my being habesha annoys and drive you crazy boy o boy, I will pray for you. I am not a sell out and I don’t hate you when even if you rain insult towards my habesha race and my religion. I don’t expect you to respect mine when you have none for yours.i told you many times we are habesha/Abyssinia geez/agazi what have you like you are Sudan bejastan whatever.please go to the church or mosque and pray it will soothe and calm you.
            Aron the habesha.

          • FishMilk

            Hi saay7. Akele Guzie has been connected by some to Gaze and to Ag’ azyan or Ag’ azi. It is often mentioned in discussions on the Kingdom of D’mt. In other instances Akele Guzie is connected with the Agwazat clan and the Agaze of the Hawulti at Matara.

          • Aron

            Hi fm
            Sorry for not responding sooner. No network far out. Would you expand if you don’t mind on akelegezai and dmt kingdom connection please. Different accounts.
            Aron the habesha.

          • blink

            Dear saay
            You don’t need to go to extra miles In defining the origin because the current Habesha crazy do’not care with its origin and has nothing to do with with it’s origin but with their perceived bias of its definition. Based on the inscriptions the Aksumites left behind, they certainly did not regard themselves or their territory as Habesha. It’s old meaning is as “ collectors “ and it has more to do with Yemenis than with Eritreans or Abyssinia lunatics. According to Professor Max Müller, a German philologist, believed the King of the Habashat had no common territory with the King of Aksum and the two kingdoms were separate appeared evident to him.
            It was not until long after Aksumite kingdom had ended that Arab travelers and geographers began to describe the Horn region and its inhabitants as Habeshas, in general this is just a geographical reference rather than a kinship or any ancestry thing . The word by itself was more or less said by Arabs , but since galvanizing and ruling the people is the main target we get hooked by lousy political views.

            You can read the book “cultural history “by Estelle Sylvia Pankhurst, 1955, you will see more in page 22-25 .

          • saay7

            Blink:

            You crack me up, man:) I don’t know why people get so worked up about giving others an identity. Recall that all SGJ and Aron have said is “ I am Habesha.” Emphasis on “I.” They didn’t say you are. Even if they said you are, you can say (politely) “No, thinks but I am _____”, and fill in the blank with whatever you prefer to be called.

            If Aron wants to call himself “Agazi”, what’s it to you, specially since he has disassociated himself from the nutcases who used that identity to propose extermination and mass deportation of others?

            I think it is a sign of enlightenment to accept people for who they tell you they are otherwise you will be needlessly frustrating yourself. I don’t know how old you are but in colleges and universities in the US (and I would guess in Canada and Europe) individuals can now tell you that they are pansexual and they don’t want you referring to them as him or her. Live and let live.

            Of course, the ultimate test in whether you are Habesha or not was presented in this short video quiz:

            https://mobile.twitter.com/savedbyabiel/status/997269329501720576?s=12

            Saay

          • Selam blink,

            What exactly is your point? It is becoming difficult to understand. You say that there is no individual called Habesha, then why dwell on the topic. Maybe you see it as an ideology, a faith that should be opposed to save people from this sinister phenomenon?

            The name seems the main problem for you, which more or less denotes a murderer as much as you are concerned. What is wrong if somebody calls himself abyssinian, ethiopian, tigrayan, eritrean plus a Habesha at the same time? Why don’t you leave people to identify themselves as they like, habesha, christian, muslim, etc, as long as they do it within the law? Should they erase these words from their vocabulary.

            I do not know if wars have been fought under the banner the Habesha conquerors. From what i know it seems to be an arabic words which denotes a mixed race, whatever that means. Much more, it calls for genetic studies of the people of the region, although i doubt that there is any logic at all for that.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Blink. You would think that Ethiopians, especially after the disastrous effects of Zenawisim, would now be trying to promote the idea that ‘No Ethiopian is more Ethiopian than the other’. Present day use of the term Habesha is outdated, racist and insulting to the more the two-thirds of Ethiopia’s population (i.e. Oromo) who consider themselves neither Habesha or Abyssinian.

          • blink

            Dear FM
            The Oromo has nothing to do with much of the all hearsay 3000 years and so too the Habesha is all but the Tigrian and Eritreans Tigrinya speakers but only these unionists or agazi sympathetic people. I see the word Habesha as an insult to all Eritreans because let’s face it , what is all about the Hebesha thing ? None of its roots helped have peace or trust none of it serve the people except few . Many Tigrians and some Amhara see the word as a hegemony to the opposit of our identity. It simply is a travesty to see people hung on to old false identity that did not cover a mile . We Eritreans need to cut any remaining cord of such false saying.

          • Aron

            Selam blink the clueless,
            ” You see SG has been protecting them for things I have no clue to this day .” There is no them, while you weren’t listening he told you “I cannot peel off my Habesha identity. Live with it dear unless you fancy being a racist, which I hope you don’t though you might think racism against Habesha is kosher, or patriotic :-)” it his id.
            Aron the habesha.

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            First I am not clueless, second I just don’t want to take the lies as truth as you are predisposed to the lies and become loyal servant,which is common to the Asfaha weldemichale or any similar to that person. I am Eritrean who happens to be not fun of the word from different perspective.

    • FishMilk

      Hi Blink. Restive Oromo problems: Country Manager for Dangote Cement in Ethiopia has been killed. The Oromos had earlier attacked Dangote investments in Oromo Region based on ties with the TPLF. If Dangote is scared out of Ethiopia, the blackmarket rate for the birr will skyrocket!. This must be sending a wave of terror through the international investment community in Ethiopia.

    • Abi

      Hi blink
      You sound extremely weird discussing Ethiopian issues a day after you publicly and proudly declared you don’t want anything to do with the “Southern neighbors”.

  • saay7

    Hope:

    Suk entelka weyyo hakki entetezarebka weyyo!

    Another way of saying this is “ተኾርሚኻ ሞቴ: ኣሳፊሕካ ሞቴ” and the Tsatse the Giant has given us the antidote to PFDJ’s “ንኺድ ጥራይ” (let’s just go) which he says is ነሳፍሕ (let’s stretch.) Makes sense to me: every runner knows if you move without stretching you get cramps.

    I know my language about Alamin M Seid was a bit too harsh, but people like him make me sad: what is the whole point of struggling and dedicating your life to a cause if you don’t speak up when your cause is hijacked? And you can’t speak up because you know way too many people who spoke up and were made to disappear? I feel too sorry for him to be angry at him.

    saay

    saay

    • Hope

      Selamat Cousin:
      But you know who Vet Al’Amin Mohammed Said is and his role though under PIA ,don’t you?

      It is beyond sad and embarrassing to see such a Long Time Vetran and Intellectual(Cairo Univ Grad if am correct or, is it Aboy Remedan Mohammed Nur?),to be so low to act the way he has been acting!

      Forgive him, as he is a de facto demoted /frozen Senior and a de facto walking dead man(forgive my language)!

      I feel sorry for him and his likes and forbthe Country to be treated and to act as such.

      He never talks his mind and what is right but that of his boss and what he is programmed to talk.

      During one of his Meetings with the public in Gash Barca,he said ” It came from the above”,when he was legitimately challenged about some serious National Security issues!

      Talk about the Non-Functional and Inept Cabinet!

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Hope,

    Yesterday in your breaking news you said “Ethiopia and Sudan are conspiring against Eritrea using Qatar money supporting “Eritrean Jihad movement” based in Sudan.

    What makes you different than them?

    Berhe

    • Hope

      Berhe :
      Please clarify.
      I quoted the MoI of Eritrea .
      What the heck has reporting a News Piece to do with me?
      U mean me as a PFDJ Apologist doing the same thing whatvthe Sudan and Ethiopia -FULLY SOONSORED by Qatar,are doing against Eritrea ?
      Yeah,I wish I could do better than the PFDJ and if I were able to do so,well,Zighebirsi nedi’u neineghir!
      Berhe Y.:
      If U don’t respect the National Security Interest of Eritrea by any means possible and if u keeping mocking around about the Safety and National Securiry Interest of Eritrea, and by default,that of Eritreans,guess what?

      I am going to call upon U:

      -Marshal Gen Mahmud Salih

      -Chief of Staff,Gen Semere Tesfay

      -Leutenant General Blink

      -Major Gen Nittric

      -The Chief of Security and Intelligence Officer,Gen Al Gheteb!

      Fair enough?

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate all
    we read atheist ,atheist in another word (kafir )
    but the man is really right ,first of all we are all Eritrean
    religion is private not to be mixed with politic
    we are different in faith the only policy than can keep us all together is secularism
    why insulting this great man ,he have done more than each of you her paper tiger ,
    bringing religion into Eritrean politic will a real mistake ,everyone is free
    to worship GOD in Eritrea ,but no right will be given to those who preach hatred again each another ,we are Eritrean first the rest is private between me and my GOD .
    so all paper tiger telling nonsense her ,wishing to bring Eritrea in stone age like in Syria and Irak ,well maybe in your fantasy not in reality sorry for you guys ,CEST LA VIE
    ,nothing you can do about it sheers .

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Natom Habom,
      There is a general misconception about the term KAFIR. I agree it is misused and very much abused. But it actually means “Rejectionist” So, I am Kafir to the PFDJ ideology. Meaning I reject it. If I advance a religion and you reject it, you are Kafor to what I am promoting. And if I reject what you present, I am Kafir to your ideas, beliefs or views. It is a not a noun like it has been used over the ages to the extent it has become a catchphrase to insult people or to counter others. Mostly used as a political tool when it is more of a verb.

      • A.Osman

        Selam Saleh,

        Thank you for clarifying the meaning as I lack of knowledge of some terms gives them meaning of insult beyond what they are meant to be used for.

        At times we discuss the root meaning of a word and since you explained what kafir (كفر) means there is something that I wondered about its relation to the word COVER and a linguist here awate may help out.

        I heard its origin relates to farming meaning covering of a seed and I thought if the English word cover originates from it as at times we find unexpected connections between Arabic-Latin-English and also Geez-Tigre-Tigrigna.

        relevant reference: …..
         اعْلَمُوا أَنَّمَا الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا لَعِبٌ وَلَهْوٌ وَزِينَةٌ وَتَفَاخُرٌ بَيْنَكُمْ وَتَكَاثُرٌ فِي الْأَمْوَالِ وَالْأَوْلَادِ كَمَثَلِ غَيْثٍ أَعْجَبَ الْكُفَّارَ نَبَاتُهُ ثُمَّ يَهِيجُ فَتَرَاهُ مُصْفَرًّا ثُمَّ يَكُونُ حُطَامًا

        am not sure if the word Kaffara is also from same root meaning expiation of sin …as in covering a sin by an act of goodness

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan A Osman,
          Nice to hear from you…
          Indeed, Kefer (from Kufr) also means to cover, in addition to at least five other meanings. But in the context of our discussion, I believe it is to reject–as in “one’s freedom fighter is the others, outlaw.” So is Kafir.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Saleh,
            Still around, learning and enjoying the exchanges from the great awatistas.

            I agree … the word kafer is used to mean someone who rejects, sometimes pointing to its roots and extended meaning gives even a better understanding of the word and its usage.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I have seen a different kind narration of history about the first immigrant(egira) in ebc documentary today , it is about the people of argoba.
            Can u see it and tell us ur perspectives on the sameness and difference from the other history about it?
            Am just curious.

      • Natom Habom

        selam johar
        it s not a misconception ,it is in the coran
        (qul ya ayuhal kafirun ) I m not her to argue about
        the christan said aLSO MENAFIQAN THIS WHY RELIGION IS POISON
        BETTER TO KEEP IT PRIVATE

        • Saleh Johar

          NH,
          So it is in the Kuran, so what?
          Oh you disbelievers (Kaffirun), you have my religion and you have yours….

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Natom,

      What you are doing defending Alamin and his legacy is just crocodile tears to serve your purpose. No doubt he has done more than his share and no body is drying his contribution to our struggle, but people are questioning his propoganda and how he become a tool to serve the dictator.

      For example, if for what ever reason he decided to be on side of justice and speak up against the regime, you and your likes will be the first to label him names, jihad, Islamic agenda, etc like you have done to others (wedi Ali, Mustifa Nurhisien, Ali Abdu, Abdela Jabir and others) and erase their long service and contribution to our freedom.

      For you Eritrea and the people have one purpose and to serve the regime.

      Berhe

      • Natom Habom

        selam Berhe
        your answer is nonsense ,i dont shade crocrodile tears like you her in this forum masquerading as eritrean , i am proud supportive man ,he didn t spook about politic mostly but about love ,unity and nationalism ,what more better to keep people together as brother ,better than the cursed and corrupt woyane that divided ethiopia along ethnicity and region ,destroy the fundamental unity that kept ethiopia for hundreds of years ,that put himself in quagmire have no morale to speak about this great man .
        go made ready your neck for the oromo ,no one will get away after killing in cold blood thousands of innocents ,leave eritrea matter to eritrean my friend

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Natom,

          Here you go again, we are talking about Eritrea and you change the topic to Ethiopia.

          Have you shown such concern for example to Mustafa NurHesien and others where he is vilified as “Islamwi Mnqsqas” and put to jail and never heard from.

          Berhe

          • Natom Habom

            selam berhe
            no I did not ,I dont even know who is Mustafa Nurhusein
            their are many tried to destabilize eritrea within ,when cought
            result will be jail my friend ,
            and said that I know you are ethiopian

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Natom,

            You calling me I am Ethiopian. Ok Yikunelka.

            You don’t know who Mustafa Nurhesuien, Abdela Jabir are?

            For someone who claimed that, you always stretch your hands and reach out to the Eritrean Muslims and they in turn called you “Kafir” where you are indicating you have such personal experiences, I am really surprised the less than handful “Quntaro” Eritrean Muslim officials.

            Ok go then do your homework.

            Berhe

          • Natom Habom

            my dear berhe
            you are ethiopian 100% comment man
            are you not proud of who you are ?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Natom,

            This shows how little you think of yourself. You are very shallow. It’s sad to see, Eritrea is left for people like you (with dead brain cells) to defend it.

            If I was Ethiopian there is nothing wrong with it and I would never shy away from it. I don’t know any Ethiopian who is ashamed of his citizenship, if anything they have more than average pride, as they should be.

            I am Eritrean and I am proud of it, because it happened to be mine, and by the lack of a draw I happen to be born there.

            If I was given a choice which country I would rather be born, out of those 190 or so countries in the world, knowing what I know. I would be hard pressed Eritrea would be my first choice.

            If you are so proud of your Eritreaness and your PFDJ government, I think it would be fair, if you would and live there.

            Let your action speak and show your true love. Leave the sdet, to people like us who can’t stand the PFDJ until we see them buried deep under. Until that time, you can have Eritrea all to yourself. Deal?

            Berhe

          • Natom Habom

            my dear berhe
            weird even moderator defend you ,we understand
            what is the topic moderatur ??? aah diminishing Eritrea ??
            the psychological warfare dont work anymore awate
            Eritrean are immune from fake media ,no one believe anymore
            we igzio dehankum

  • saay7

    Thanks Alex:

    But I have a long way to go. My language about Alamin Mohammed Seid probably requires some grooming. I just have a mental association of him as the face of the G-1 (the spokesperson for the Isaias wing of PFDJ) when they made the G-15 disappear. If someone can be that cruel about people who were his comrades for decades, imagine how heartless he would be about people he doesn’t know. I am sure he has good qualities: he writes which means he reads and, um, also he, um, doesn’t shout when he is telling us that a 1400 year old info about Negash is unreliable (ሓሶት!) but a million year old skull before there were human beings, races, ethnicities (900,000 Years before humans developed ability to form languages) conclusively demonstrates there was an Afar tribe then. (sorry MaHmuday: it’s too absurd not to say it one more time.)

    saay

    • blink

      Dear saay
      it is sad that all these amusing creatures do not live together, imagine all nice people living together, can you foresee the atmosphere of theirs ? On the opposite, What kind of world would it be occupied only by bad once , i can see it just on open space . Now, if humans were not capable of communicating each other before 900,000 years and it means people evolved from none verbal to verbal communication and then all the staff which is true . I am just trying to understand saay 🌎 . If PFDJ falls and happens that all awetista go to their home .About what would you write at your spare time ? Will you consider branding saay to transform Eritreans ?

      • saay7

        Selamat blink:

        What would I write? Hmmmm. Yesterday, one of my influences, the writer Tom Wolfe, passed away. He and the great gonzo journalist Hunter Thompson were my inspiration to write. So if you want to know what I would write if our country was normal, there you have your answer.

        saay

        • blink

          Dear saay
          you are a very renewed interest to Eritreans with full of capabilities and I mean who can read Tom Wolf “The Right Stuff “ book , if you are able to just take us to such world , we will be indebted to your service ever . I am happy you are one of us (Eritrean) , can you imagine insulting you if you were from somewhere else ?

          Saay ,is there anyway that you can write all your articles from A-Z with some editing in one book ? I would like to see your articles, MS and two other people which I will not tell you who they are in Eritreans library shelves!!

          Alemseghed is writing new book and I heard it would be a determinental to his own life , can’t you guys help him from different perspective? His last book was edited 3 times as of someone who know him said he faced a great deal of scrutiny.

          By the way Alamin interview was not bad after all , can’t you see people talking about things they never thought was necessarily important to them. Whatever his mistakes were, I think he already made you debate and educate many . Give him a wink saay.

  • Amde

    Selam Gere,

    I am reading with interest this back and forth.

    I think any dogma that places the value of human life below the perceived integrity between the “real life” and the “ideal” as prescribed by the dogma can be fingered as the culprit for mass deaths.

    Seeing it in that context then, the dogma inspired mass deaths of recent years are more likely to be inspired by the dominant dogmas of the period.. which in our mainly materialistic era have been those inspired by ideology and money. I read some place that one can gauge the values a society really values simply by looking at the largest building/edifices in a community. Hence, the skyscrapers for banking and financial districts now. Three hundred years ago it was the palace and the cathedral.

    So methinks the large numbers of deaths of recent years are simply a function of (a) more people, and (b) more efficient ways of killing more people. Not necessarily because of atheism or religion.

    We all merrily walk around with the seeds of monstrous bad deeds within us. The times and circumstances provide the appropriate environment for it to come out.

    It is fascinating to think though that religions are some of the longest surviving human creations. There are almost no current states, alliances, schools, languages older than Buddhism’s 2500 years for example. They must offer something of immense social value to persist so long and transcend so many natural and human barrriers, irrespective of whether a God exists or not.

    Amde

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      Great point. If religion didn’t have an edge for survival on the human species, it would’ve been weeded out through the powerful force of natural selection. Remember, at the very core of any faith lies the power of compassion, it becomes violent when faith turns into religion and religion becomes systematic.

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        Allow me to play devil’s advocate and say that perhaps at the heart of religion may not be compassion but rather the fear of death and what awaits beyond.

        I think on balance even an atheist would prefer that the mighty and powerful fear a reckoning after death, because otherwise it would be a very selfish life with no redemptive quality of compassion at its center.

        You raise a great point about evolution though. Do you think selfishness is weeded out and compassion selected in? I think one can make an argument that in aggregate compassion is an evolutionary advantage for a species, even as we navigate the cruel dog eat dog world.

        What do you think?

        Amde

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          It seems, Awate Forum and Halley’s Comet have something in common where ideas tend to recur every now and then. The beauty is, however, they get more honed “N” times around.

          If the need for religion was in a bid to mitigate the fear of the unknown, it would be reduced into a calculated transaction based on economic model if you will. In a complete departure from the “Insurance Policy” of religion, Emmanuel Kant introduced the concept of “Categorical Imperative” where certain moral values are not only universal but they are needed for the cohesiveness of a society whether they bring rewards or not.

          Compassion, as such is not exercised so that one will be rewarded in the here-after, instead, it reflects the very good nature of humanity. Certainly, Humanists as in the exponents of say, Auguste Comte can make the argument that, one doesn’t need faith to be compassionate, true but in Christianity for instance, compassion brings us closer to God through faith.

          As you have aptly put it, group think has more advantage than say, selfishness where it is demonstrated in John Nash’s “Game Theory” or the classic “Prisoners’ Dilemma.” We can even make the argument that, we are genetically wired to care for the next of kin as we share half of our genetic make up where it is at the heart of “Genetic Fitness.”

          Frederich Nietzsche on the other hand put Socratic Morality including all the religious moral tenets on the Guillotine for he thought that, they were the products of the “Slave Mentality” designed to instill guilt in the power ful [Uber-Man] and the wealthy to render them weak as well.

          • Selamat Denmarkino AArkey Professor Paulos, Pillar Amde

            How about a little string theory of our subatomic particles in quantum physics. Alongside our ‘Prisoners’ Dilemma’, pitting the mesenko vs. the kirarr materializes a refuge for freed prisoners for eternity. The dimension of the space of the STRING is one octave of twelve equal parts, hence twelve apostles (Paulos or Saul chased those guys..). The numerical value of a twelfth of an octave is equal to the Twelfth root of 2, (2^(1/12).
            An octave divided into 12 equal parts and the twelfth root being the numerical value of each one part. Perhaps a Dozen generations later geneticists and genetics can tell us the point of not caring for net of kin and or neighbor.
            There is need of religion in all groups or societies save a few pagans. And every society has strings and string instruments.

            Oh yeah, let me play the devil’s advocate by taking the two and eight combination from the four digits 2008, ( after all, an angelic singing voice after all Lucifer did poses.)
            nCr= 4!/(2!2!) = 6 And summing a sixth of combinations outcome, the 2 and 8, we get 10. Roman numeral X Asshera you are now able to foresee the alpha numeric CNr82XE! Twelve generations ahead of your time.

            “Pattern is the Living Being that is forever existent.”(Timaeus37c,d) One CREATOR One OCTAVE. parameters (2,8,1/12,10) “God because he so willed or ecause some compulsion was laid upon him not to make more than one… created one only.”(Republic 597c)

            And the basis for my consistent closing statement I might as well sound it off right here in this august awate symposium. SYMP O Sium, my last name —>
            Four Choose Two —.> Kilte ‘arbaETe nCr –> 2X + Saay’s7 = 27
            CNr82XE! Abbu Ashera Weapon X – Evolution! Counter Narrative 2008 NESAFIH, Nesafih (h)gdef “nkhid Trray.”

            “I think it better, my good friend, that my lyre should be discordant and out of tune, and nay chorus I might train, and that the majority of mankind should disagree with and oppose me, rather than that I, who am but one man, should be out of tune with and contradict my self. (sYmPOSium 482C)
            Four Eight Two C yes see augmented and diminished chords arrangement LEGATO sytle

            Just tuning my strings on the guitar Major Third and Major 5th 24.
            AmerGitSAtSE CNr28X-E! X^2
            tSAtSE

            ,

          • Paulos

            Selam Tsatse Arkey,

            Man, that was a tough ፍረኣድሪ to crack. Needed a double dose of Berhino to have it translated to Awatistas terms.

            Consistent pattern is the signature of nature. At a deep fundamental level, everything is one and the same. In high-priests of science lexicon, it is mirror symmetry or conformal symmetry, when iron melts and water evaporates, are one and the same [In phase transition, that is], for instance.

            I am sure you do recall the grade five “Prime Numbers” in Math. They are the fundamentals in “Number Theory” the same as the 118 or so elements in Periodic Table as in Chemistry. The Prime Numbers can only be divided only by one and by themselves. The difference between the fundamental elements in Periodic Table and the Prime Numbers is that, the former are finite but the latter are infinite. Not only the Primes are infinite but their sequence is not consistent. For instance, we have a difference of two between 5 and 7 but a difference of four between 7 and 11. A difference of two between 11 and 13 then when you get to 31, the difference with 37 is five……

            Here is something cool though, if you convert the sequences of numbers of the differences in Primes into the width of a barcode [as in barcode scanner], you start to see something that reflects a pattern in nature [Elements.]

            One of the remarkable tools that comes handy to probe the nature of stars is, “Spectrograpy.” Spectrograpy gives not only the mass, size and distance of a star, it gives the proportion in combination of elements with in the star.

            When light coming from a star passes through a prism [Spectrum], it gets diffracted into different colors where the colors are divided by a dark bar like pattern. And remarkably enough, the in-between embedded dark bar-codes have the same and identical width as the differences between the Primes. If the Primes are indivisible and the elements are fundamental and indivisible, one not only sees a pattern but wonders if we live in a single mathematical formula expressed in myriad forms we call reality.

          • Selamat Denmarkino AArkey Professor Paulos ,

            I heard you say to Saay7 you are currently reading a book The Mathematical Universe. Yes we are living in a single mathematical formula.

            “To the man who pursues his studies in the proper way, all geometric constructions, all systems of numbers, all duly constituted MELODIC PROGRESSION, the single ordered scheme of all celestial revolutions should disclose themselves….[by] THE REVELATION OF A SINGLE BOND OF INTERCONNECTION” (Epinomis 991e, 992a)

            Here is reducto absurdum of the 5 24 concerning our republic, i.e the State of Eritrea on 5 24!

            “Some things are apt to summon thought, while others are not…. Apt to summon it [are] those that strike the sense at the time as their opposites. ” (Republic 524d)

            And to the Republic for which it stands the formulation, on 5 24 , 2X + Saay’s 7 = 27 with the X Core Eritrean Values =
            Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution!

            AmErgitSAtSE Counter Narrative 2018 NESAFIH nesafiH (h)gdef “Nkhid TTray.”
            tSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Selam Tsatse Arkey,

            This one is way beyond my league where even Berhino would sweat it. That said, my previous comment is not from the book I am currently reading. The book is pretty intense and hopefully will get through it. “The Serengeti Rules” is however, a gem to say the least. Throw it onto your to read list for the summer if you can.

    • gebremedhin yohannes

      Selam Amde
      Thank you for the well thought and gentle response.you said it all.
      ‘We all merrily walk around with the seeds of monstrous bad deeds within us. The times and circumstances provide the appropriate environment for it to come out.’ how true dear , to avoid that we need to be accountable to the creator we need to have a reference point. we need to believe on the existence of Good and Evil. Truth must be absolute that is where religion and faith is important and essential. other wise society will continue to produce the Mao’s, Hitler , Stalin ,Pol Pot etc and the killing and destruction will continue.
      here is word of wisdom from the good book.
      ‘Hear my son your father’s instruction and don’t forsake your mother;s teaching- indeeded thy are a graceful wrearth to your head and ornaments about your neck’
      that is what we lack just because went to western university’s we think we know it all.how untrue .
      Gere

  • MS

    Ramadan Kareem Everyone
    * Haram Aliekm, so you guys are calling Abdulkader and Alamin atheists? The first instruction in Islam is that you don’t judge people’s relationship with their creator. You don’t label people, you don’t pass judgement on them.
    * I now leave Abdulkader alone and wish him a happy ramadan.
    * Alamin interview, for the most part, was interesting. I don’t agree with his interpretation of rights .Please Ato Alamin include “due process” in your dictionary. Yes you can arrest people but the burden is on you to prove you have a reason to arrest them. Release those you can’t prosecute.
    *On the rest of the interview: He is a politician and politicians speak to their audience. He spoke to his audience. His audience are not necessarily ardent supporters of the regime.
    * The interview was on the occasion of independence day. The theme was “unity”, according to his political outlook.
    1. He brought home erects of the danakil to illustrate that Eritrea may be young in terms of its age as a political entity, but is old and has historical reference. I know when Ethiopians claimed the significance of “Lucy” to celebrate their heritage it is OK but when an Eritrean (it doesn’t matter who) speaks about a new discovery ( much older than Lucy, hzbey goes ballistic). YGermena alo. Happy shahar Ramadan, anyway.
    2. He repeatedly said that the people of the region were ONE and that they share the heritage. His focus was on social harmony and tolerance.
    3. Which mosque was built first outside Islam’s birthplace, Negash or the one Alamin claimed to have been identified recently. This can be debated but should not consume your time. Alamin needs to present his new mosque which, he said, was built in BaHre-Negasi. Eritrean highland. I have found some material in the Internet that might collaborate Alamin’s assertions but I leave that to the experts. The rest of his talk was to emphasize that the area we call Eritrea was entry port for both Christianityand Islam.
    4. Whether it is the skull dated arousal million-year old, or the Mosque, the important thing is that we celebrate our diversity and the mechanisms we have developed through the millenia to co-exist peacefully.
    5. On religion: He said his government follows strict secularism. That is up for debate. While I am for secularism, my problem is that such pronouncements are hollow if they aren’t based on a constitutional basis. There is no constitution that defines and guarantees the degree of secularism. So, the rest is irrelevant to me.
    6. My takeaway is that archeological discoveries and claims of cultural heritage of remote era should be treated as achievements for humanity and science.
    Thanks for reading me. I’m jotting this down from a rest area somewhere in the North West. I love driving in the countryside. Scuse me for any typo error or inappropriate language.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Mahmoud,
      Good to read you. I agree with you that Alamin has every right to talk, claim and reclaim the importance of Eritrean treasures, but the contrast he chose to compare to was not necessary and instead of reinforcing was undercutting everyone of his arguments. You said “He is a politician and politicians speak to their audience. He spoke to his audience. His audience are not necessarily ardent supporters of the regime”. It is precisely that his audience are not necessarily ardent supporters of the regime that he shouldn’t have spoken like that. Or am I missing something in your sentence?

    • Selam Mahmud,
      Let me add a little thing to what you have said,

      Alamin Mohammed Seid’s interview is a humorous case of a Chinese whispers – a children’s game in which the players form a line and a message is whispered from one player to the next until it reaches the last player in the line who announces the message which so often is a distorted form of the original one. So, what is the original historical message that assumed a distorted form after refracted through Alamin’s mind? Yours truly was involved in the revision of the history booklet the PFDJ uses in its ፖለቲካዊ ትምህርቲ (a booklet titled ታሪኽ ኤርትራ ካብ ጥንቲ ክሳብ ናጽነት which is available in Tigrigna, Arabic, Tigre and English) and in the secondary history textbook writing project for the Ministry of Education (Grade 9 to grade 12). Therefore, I am familiar with the debates around certain historical issues Alamin tried to spell out albeit in an incredibly erroneous manner. So, lest people conflate Alamin’s rendition of Eritrea’s history with official PFDJ/GOE’s history, let me take the unenviable task of defending the PFDJ from, umm, its secretary:

      1. On writing history backwards and teleologically reframing the past in the service of the present: As Benedict Anderson observes in his classic Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism the official historical discourse of nation-states has a double nature: One, asserting the historicality, newness and modernity of the nation state – a fact that justifies the sanctification of the state as the only legitimate political association over other putatively outdated associations such as empire; Second, stressing the fact that the nation to which states give political expression looms out of an immemorial past. In this light, Alamin’s ‘we are new but we are also very very ancient’ narrative is not an exception. To the credit of Zemhret Yohannes – who oversaw the two projects I mentioned earlier – though, both the PFDJ history booklet and the high school history textbooks avoided the mistake of retroactively writing the history of the nation where it did not exist. In both projects, you will not find an Afari speaking homo erectus or the mention of Adulite civilization. Precolonial Eritrean history is thus firmly located in a broader regional context and right in the introduction we took pains to underline that when we speak about precolonial Eritrean history it should be clear that we are not speaking about Eritrea as presently constituted.
      2. Apropos Axumite civilization: there are two issues related to the Axumite civilization that we attempted to problematize in the two projects. One, the conventional wisdom that attributes the wonders of Axumite civilization to Semitic immigrants, thereby jettisoning the autochthonous population to historical obliviousness. Given the fact that the first serious historical work on the history of Axumite civilization was done by Orientalist philologists, amateur archeologists and Historians, whose first instinct when confronted by sophisticated historical remains in Africa was to attribute it to foreigners, the hypothesis that the Semitic immigrants were responsible for the introduction of agriculture, writing, religion, and sophisticated architectural style to our region is suspect. This is of course not to deny the intense connections between our region and the Middle East from where the Semitic stock purportedly came. It is only to suggest that there must have been some local developments that predated the coming of Semitic populations that played more significant role in the making of the Axumite civilization. And recent archaeological findings point to this direction. In short, the more compelling historical hypothesis is that the Axumite civilization was not the creation of heros civilisateur – wise foreigners who bring civilization- but a result of the amalgamation of pre-existing disparate complexes into an overriding civilization. (So, when you hear Alamin talking about the conniving Brits who distorted history to serve their geopolitical purposes, he is referring to Orientalist scholars who right off the bat attributes anything of historical significance in Africa to foreigners. And when he says that it was Adulis not Axum which was the epicenter of civilization in our region he is refereeing to the hypothesis that posits that Axum must be a culmination of disparate local socialities).
      3. The Sahaba, Negash and the mosque: the myth of a Sahaba mosque built by the Sahaba themselves in the 7th century is the work of some journalists with the Ministry of information and the museum of the Northern Red Sea Region in Massawa. Now, everyone is repeating it. Mercifully, the mistake was avoided in the PFDJ booklet and the high school history text books. But there is one curious fact about the mosque that intrigues historians and archaeologist though: as it was the tradition in the early days of Islam, the gate of the mosque looks to the direction of Jerusalem instead of Mecca. This calls for a further research as to the time of its construction.
      On writing: The head of the Pavoni center, one of the rich libraries in Asmara which houses important historical materials, the late Fratello Ezio Tonin, once told me that Geez script is one of the first few languages published in movable printing press and the library has a copy of the first published material. Probably, Alamin was referring to this when he was ridiculously claiming that ‘we are the first people to have started writing when Europe was ኣብ ዲቕ ዝበለ ጸልማት።

      • MS

        Ahlan Samuel and HaileS
        Samuel: I was hoping you would jump in early on. I know you are qualified to weigh in. I appreciate your input. I know tegadalai Alamin; I don’t know Alamin the historian. Anyway, to me it makes no difference if Negash mosque was the first one or the one Alamin is claiming to have existed in today’s Eritrea. The peaceful contact among peoples and the intermarriage and spread of cultures are more important than where a group started doing that (at least to me). Negash Mosque, Axume, steles, Egyptian pyramids, Geez scripts, and other artifacts are all shared among the people of the region. Who knows if my ancestors helped build Egyptian pyramids? I think technical stuff needs to be left for the experts.
        But politicians do it all the time. Egyptians say Egypt is the mother of the world; Ethiopians are proud of their 3000-year history and is often invoked for firing up the people. So, in the
        HaileS:
        To his credit, the gist of his message was that the people of this region have been intermixed and are ONE. He also said Axume belongs to us as Zula civilization belongs to the people of the region. He was stressing on peaceful co-existence of cultures and religions. The non-ardent supporters care about this issues. I hope this answers your question.
        His problem was that he tried to infuse strictly technical matters in his attempt to fire up Eritrean nationalism. We don’t need evidence of Sahaba mosque in Eritrea in order to strengthen our national identity. We have enough of a collective national experience. As far as the Afari lady is concerned, its significance is limited to science and tourism. She could be the mother of all of us, part of us (as a region), or the mother of a race that has completely been wiped out of the earth.

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        I beg you. In fact, I implore you. Let me rephrase it, I supplicate! Please, stick around!

        • Selam Paul,
          I am always around eavesdropping you giants talking philosophy, science, history, politics and what not. One feels a cipher in the midst of this intimidating group of people. So, I prefer to silently read and violently nod in agreement and amusement to every utterances ኣያታተይ make here. I will of course continue to meekly say one or two things now and then. Thank you,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Nothing makes me happier than to see the younger generation like you with an inquisitive mind standing tall where all hopes refuse to falter. We are all proud of you!

      • Haile S.

        Selam Samuel,
        Very informative. What was mentioned about geez being one of the few languages to be printed is true. Hiob Ludolf with the help of Aba Gorgorios printed geez dictionary and other materials in the 16-hundreds. But this was in Bavaria, in Germany. What puzzled me is when Alamin mentioned geez book/writen material in emkulu near Massawa. This sound like the modern printing press and bible translations established by the swedish mission in the late 18-hundreds. Any thoughts on this? You know when propoganda & speculatons abound, you start doubting about things you already know.
        I second Paul’s call on you.

        • Selam Haile,
          Yeah, Alamin has confused the geez dictionary printed in 16th century, which was most likely done either in Germany or Italy, and the 19th century bible translation and the printing press in Emkulu. Alamin was acting like those inattentive students who get their facts terribly strong but still, unsuspecting of their embarrassing grasp of fact and interpretation, blabber to impress their professors.

          thanks

          • saay7

            Samuel:

            Oh man, another good catch!

            The problem is that the production company that produced the video (Embassy Video, they of the “come and see!” pulp fiction) was a confederate in this disinformation and as he said that, they cut into a video showing the Bible with Geez alphabets. So, to reiterate, he said that 400 years ago when Europeans couldn’t read or hardly wrote (17th century Europe of Shakespeare) we were writing our own books (19th century Geez Bible.) Let me guess now: this Bible was commissioned by an Ethiopian king?

            saay

          • Sal,
            Yeah, I noticed that. Overall, the interview was a priceless comedy. ኣይሰኣኑ። Alamin reminded me a battalion commander that we had in May Nefhi when I was a student. He was known by his nick ወዲ ብርከይ። A nice guy but with elementary education. (i used to tutor him sometimes). The PFDJ central office sent him a material on psychological warfare to teach us, college students, about the subject. In its into. the material had something about how psychological warfare was an old war strategy used by emperors like Alexander the Great. Then ወዲ ብርከይ goes like : ትሰምዑ ኣለኩም ስነ-ኣእምራዊ ኩናት ኣብ ግዜ ኣለክሳንደር ዓቢ ምስ ተፈተነ ክሳብ ሕጂ ኣይተራእየን። We laughed at that and enjoyed it more than the boring platitudes fed to us by people like Ahferom Tewelde.

          • saay7

            Samuel:

            Wait, wait, wait. Alexander the Great is literally translated to ኣለግዛንደር ዓቢ? Did you cover William The Conquerer, and Ivan The Terrible? What did the curriculum call them?

            saay

          • Sal,
            We did not cover William the Conquerer and Ivan the Terrible. They probably did not carry out ስነ-ኣእምራዊ ኲናት። But, in keeping with the Great literal literary Tradition of our friends, they would have been translated as ዊልያም ወራሪ and ኢቫን ሕሱም። haha

          • saay7

            Selam Samuel:

            Ok we will stick with Alexander the Great. So did you cover how he solved the Gordian Knot to fulfill the oracles prophecy that whoever did that would go on to rule Asia? If so, how did you guys translate Gordian Knot? ተሓላለኸ ገመድ ጏርዲ?

            Paulos, yes “Eskinder” is Arabic, Tigrinya, Amharic for Alexander and therefore the proper name and the Greeks should give up:) Alexandria is Eskindria. Speaking of Eskinder, did you watch the hero’s welcome Eskinder Negga got in the US by the expat Ethiopians. I don’t know what to think about this Abiy dude, but he gets an A+ for releasing prisoners. Of course whenever I read of someone released (yesterday it was a cardiologist—-a cardiologist in a country with one of the highest patient:doctor ratio) I don’t understand why he was arrested to begin with.

            Don’t know how I got here so it’s Samuels fault

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            No I did not. There seems to be two parallel but opposite realities between events in Ethiopia and in Diaspora. Eskinder Negga is certainly a certain hero in DC, Atlanta or London but in Ethiopia, most people do not even know who he was. Really. And the danger is, if people take Diaspora as a sample for what is happening in Ethiopia, the extrapolation if you will becomes schizophrenic.

            That is precisely the reason, nothing happened when he was arrested and nothing happened when he got released. That is the reason, I encourage people to go to Ethiopia to see it for themselves [Oh no not that kind of come and see stuff.]

            P.S. It was Hailemariam Desalegne who initiated the release of political prisoners.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            I understand that how much u can hate eskinder nega Because of his wrighting about the people of tigrai , he called them the ethiopian Jewish” , me too i don’t agee with him on that but the people specially in addis ababa r frustrated by the opposition and that is why u don’t see them active on poltics now days .but the people in addis hate tplf more than any other regions in ethiopia.
            If u don’t agree show me one single person none tigrai and none eprdf from addis who don’t hate tplf?
            Unless he/she is undercover eprdf there is none.
            Hailemariam was joke , he never had power.
            Now we r in a new era with Dr Abiy.

          • Selam Sal,
            ኣብ ዝርዝራት ክኣቱ ኣይደልን እየ። እቲ ዋና ነገር ኣሌክሳንደር ዓቢ ነቲ ዝተጠናነገ ገመዳት ጏርዲ ፈቲሕዎ ድዩ ዋላስ ብሓይሊ ሴፍ በቲኽዎ ኣይኮነን። ብዛዕባ ጨሌዳ ጓል መንገዲ ክንዛረብ ነቲ ቀንዲ ስእሊ ክንስሕት ኣይኮናን። ኣነስ ከምኡ ክገብር እየ አንድሕር ኢልካ ግን ናትካ ምርጫ እዩ። ከምቲ ብጻይ ብሊንክ ደጋጊሙ ዘዘኻክረና ብዛዕባ ‘ኦራክል’ ሂባቶ ዝብሃል ትንቢት ወይ ጥንቆላ ወይ ውን ስፐኩሌሽን ምዝራብ ትርጉም የብሉን።

          • saay7

            Samuel:

            ተሓላሊኻ ከም ተመንየ
            ትሓልፍ ዶኾን ሎም ዘበንየ

            ይብላ ኔረን ኣዴታትና ዘበን እኒ እኒ ሕምባሻ ከሎ እምኒ; so we know about Gordian Knots; we just have rusty swords.

            saay

          • Sal,
            ኣንታ ሰብኣይ ነየነይተን ጓል ሕድርትና (muse ንምባል እዩ) ኢኻ ኣፍቲኻያ? You surely know where Calliope resides and you definitely know how to serenade her. ኣቅኒካና እኮ።

          • saay7

            Haha Samuel:

            Speaking of ጓል ሕድርትና, (why not) there is a music video by Tesfalidet Simon called “Sewreni” and it appears that it is firmly planted in our head that a ጓል ሕድርትና cannot be black. That is another part of our brain that has to be de-colonized 🙂 I expect you to research this and write a 5 page essay.

            Meanwhile (or as Eri-TV says, እዚ ከምዚ ኢሉ ከሎ), I would like to update you on more signs of how Amde is losing his bet with me: Ethiopian State TV is prepping Ethiopians for the inevitable: reportages on how difficult life is for the people of Zalambesa. Say One: Hade beleley.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Samuel,
            I have been reading all your comments and I have been consuming them like a warm Hmbasha. I am just worried you could be one of those sabbatical guys, Chru Meskerem 🙂 Please stay put; this is a perfect home for you and we like to host people who contribute positively to the discourse. Maybe you can think of preparing something for the frontpage! What do you say?

            Thanks for your brilliant comments.

          • Dear Saleh,
            Thank you very much for the charitable words. It is such an honor to wiggle around you eminent people of letters. I am a graduate student and will be popping up here as time permits. I will be extremely honored to contribute to Awate. Thank you again for the opportunity.

          • Saleh Johar

            Samuel,
            I don’t want to put you down but I know a few people who remember the struggle during summer when they are on leave, mostly from Academia. They make a lot of noise for two or three months, then they disappear leaving behind a lot of confusion and unfinished job. The almost full-timers, the unfortunate, have to clean up the confusion they create. They even create organizations with flashy names (and acronyms including D for democracy) in a short time. I wrote about such summer-projects and winter-projects with bitterness and telling that story alone could be a ten-part series. Now, I just asked you to scribble an article, not form a party, God forbid, because we have enough to export to the rest of the world 🙂

            Hsebelu da’a….

          • Dear SGJ,
            I promise I will do my best to write something that meets the gold standard of Awate.com. Do not worry, no party with a flashy name from me 😀. I religiously peruse your writing and I remember your critique of the part-time projects. So at least if not for other reasons I will not dare do that for fear of the hailstorm that you might raise 😀. But, seriously ይኽኣሎ ጥራይ እምበር ከኸይፈካ እየ, as we ፋራታት Asmarinos would like say. Thanks for the confidence.

            p.s. I am watching your videos and I am enjoying them a lot.

          • Ismail AA

            Selma Sami,
            ኣጆካ ሳሚ ክትክእሎ ኢካ። ኪኢልካዮ ስለ ዝሓጉስካና እንድዩ ዚያዳ ንጠልብ ዘለና። You have already established your capability and stimulated readers’ urge. ኣነ ድማ ከም ሰበይ ንክምነየካ ግዜ ኣይወሰደለይን ክገርመካ። ንእግረ መገድካ ከኣ ከማካ ሁቡባት መሰታትካ ሕሹኽ በሎም ወደየኒ። በጃኩም ሃግር ኣድሕኑ ከምቲ ከማኩም መንእሰያት ከሎና ንገለ ካብ ኣቦታትና ምስ ኢትዮጵያ እንተ ዘይጽምብሩና እዚ ኩሉ ዋጋ ኣይምከፈልናን ኢልና ንሓምዮም ዝነብርና ድቅኩም ከኣ ከይሓምዩኩም።

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            If I am not mistaken, Alexander in Tigrinya is Eskindir. And “The Great” couldn’t have been ዓቢ, for ዓቢ means kinda “Senior” where as in military parlance if you will, it should reflect the scope of a military prowess. No?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul, Sal, Samuel and all,
            Where is Abrehet? ናይ ሎሚ’ቅነ ሓጥያት ፈሪሃ ዝሃደመት እያ ትመስል. I need her to watch me when I speculate on tigrigna wordings.
            Paul I agree on Eskindr, but for ‘great’ I prefer ዓይቢ. እስክንድር ዓይቢ instead of እስክንድር ዓቢ. It sound good and equivant to ታላቁ እስክንድር instead of ትልቁ እስክንድር.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            You see, that is where your sharp imagination comes handy! The connection you established between ትልቁ and ታላቁ between ዓቢ and ዓይቢ is so smart.

            ፍትውቲ ሓፍተይ can take extra days off for she can not possibly challenge or refute your postulate.

          • saay7

            Haile S:

            Very clever, sir. But how would your word apply to Catherine The Great?

            Saay

          • Haile S.

            Hey Sal,
            ኣነ ዝነበራኒ ጸንቂቐ ወዲአ’የ. ቃጠሪና ዓይቢት?
            Abrehet, Help! Au Secours! (ኦ ሰኩር!)

          • Admiral,

            Eskindir AAbi predates Sewra Eritra and naturally the curriculum. (Ok^2)^2
            CNrX28XE!X^^

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            The first Bible was translated in to tigrigna by Rev Teweldemedhin Gebremedhin and his group in 1880 with the coming of Sewidish missionaries. It was translated in Adwa.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Is Isahac Teweldemedhin of Wengelawit School (Evangelical Lutheran School/Geza Kenisha) fame his son?

            If so, there is a pic of a 14 year old kid getting an award from him that Beyan Negash might want to auction. Bid starts at 5 million satoshis.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            As per the website www dot sennaydotnet / history section, yes he is.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            No brother. They are different. Memhir Issac is one of the second generation from the followers of evangelical Lutheran faith. The Rev I am talking way back in 1880.

      • saay7

        Selam Samuel:

        Thanks for this rich and illuminating insight. More grist for the mill on your points:

        Intro: I really don’t mean to be a snob about this, but on subject as important as education should be left to academics (preferably with a PhD or EdD) and not proselyterzers like Zemehret Yohannes.

        1. The problem with the “we are very youthful but we are ancient” doublespeak the PFDJ uses is that it’s always to advance its interest. We don’t need a constitution, because we are ancient civilized people with laws; we can’t gave elections because are a young nation.” This contradiction takes impressive levels that would astonish Yossarian: these ancient and civilized people would never put up with an abusive government; therefore, we are not abusive.

        2. All valid points. My only issue (disagreement?) here is that Alamin was blaming the Brits for the elevated status of Axum and the relatively secondary status of Adulis. The weight of the evidence is in favor of showing the Axum Empire with its capital in Axum and its port in Asab and not an Adulisian civilization with its administrative center in Axum as Alamin said (dismissively, of course.). Just by strange coincidence, I am reading “The Throne of Adulis” and it has more bad news for the Adulisians. (I have to check if the author is British.)

        3. Actually you are not right on this. There are many (many!) Islamic websites that address the chronology of the mosques by age and the Massawa one was always listed. The MoI may have finally gotten the bandwidth to research this. When Alamin says that the Sahaba mosque was built before the one in Mecca, he is doing a slight of hand because Islam considers Adam, Abraham Muslims and thus the Kaaba in Meka to be a mosque that existed long before the 7th century. Moreover the estimate of when the one in Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia were built has overlapping dates that it didn’t call for his Eritrea First tone. All these “mosques” (with the exception of Kaaba) were piles of rocks that were renovated and made grand much later. The one in Massawa was built in 1400.

        Whether the mosque in massawa pointed to Jerusalem or Mecca would only give us an estimate of its time to a century. Again this is an issue extensively debated in Islamic studies: when and why the direction of the Qibla (you don’t mean the gate) change from Jerusalem to Mecca.

        I greatly enjoyed your input!

        saay

        • Selam Sal,
          On your intro: you are right about leaving education to qualified educators. Unfortunately, the Curriculum department of the Ministry of Education had done a very lousy job in the textbook project. They spent a lot of money and time but ended up producing መሰክሕ books. It was after this disaster that the task was taken over by the Research and documentation of the PFDJ, which formed a group headed by a very able former University Asmara history instructor called Tekeste Melake and research assistants likes myself, to completely start the project anew. Few months to the project, we lost the historian to cancer and the whole thing was left to the research assistants as Zemhret as a supervisor. The textbooks were sent to Charles Cantalupo of Penn State University for editing and the textbook quality control department of the Ministry of education was eventually involved. So, i can say the final outcome was not bad. On many controversial historical issues, Zemhret proved to be very open and flexible. As a result, Osman Salih Sabbe, Idris Mohammed Adem and all other historical personalities which were routinely dismissed by EPLF historical discourse are rightfully given a pride of place with their photos printed along EPLF bigwigs like IA and Romodan Mohammed Nur. And you wont also find ጀብሃ 300 ናይ ስርየት ኣዲስ ኣባላት ሓሪዳ ሃለውለው። Not perfect…but okay until our PHDs return home to throw it into the dustbin of history
          1. I agree. Why is Catch 22 not translated into one of Eritrean languages? Would not it be fun to read it in Tigrigna?
          2. As I said, Alamin is the last person in the Chinese whispers game. he took what is meant to be hypothetically suggestive as incontrovertible historical fact. My position on the issue of the precolonial history (right from time of the Lucies and ንግስቲ ኣፋር -insert a smiling emoji here- to the 19th century should be free of parochial nationalist historiography. If it is done properly, objective historical account f this period can be a useful antidote against all the ረሳናት ሃገራውያን and a basis for alternative political imaginations that blunts the edge of jingoism.
          3. i should concede on this. But again as I indicated in my earlier post, this mistake was not committed in both the textbooks and the PFDJ booklet.

          P.s. On entirely unrelated note, do you know Alamin is ኣቦ መንበር ዞባታት መኸተን ልምዓትን?
          cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            Thank you for these informative inputs both this one and the reply you gave to Mahmuday. Hopefully all the distorted domestic and regional historical discourses will be rectified in the near future by our young generation like yourself. If I am not wrong, from your inputs, you sound a young historian who focused to study the Eritrean history and beyond, and if you are, it is a rewarding to straight out our history for our young generations.

            While I was reading your comment, my eyes zoom in to one of your statements which says “and you won’t also find ጀብሃ 300 ናይ ስርየት አዲስ አባላት ሓሪዳ ሃለውለው“:: Myself, I have asked to many senior cadres of ELF-PF ( ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት ናይቲ ግዜቲ ) in 1976, when I went for short assignment to Sahel by the ELF organization. I asked them to give me names, and none at all. This was a fabricated myth to mobilize the highlanders and to divide our society on religious cleavages. I am gland it doesn’t reflect in their history books. I am sure you will find many more that goes to the dustbin of history in the future. Thank you for the educational input.

            Regards

        • Saleh Johar

          Saay,
          A little correction: they were not Saudi Christians because Saudi dynasty appeared less than a hundred years ago. The Christians who were killed were called the Christians of Nejran which was a region that straddled the Southern part of present day Saudi Arabia and parts of Yemen. They were burned to death in a ditch and its narrated in the Kuraan in Surat AlAkhdud.

          When and why the Qibla was changed to Mecca from Jerusalem is in the Kuraan and can be googled.

          I am almost sure from memory, the remains of the Mosque in Massawa has its Mihrab facing Mecca. It was probably built by the Omayad dynasty that ruled Dahlak which they used as an Exile Island. They shipped violators of freedom of expressions of the time–poets and storytellers– to Dahlak (I read somewhere it meant Dar Al Halak–the home of perishing; the exilees perished there and never returned to their homes)

          • saay7

            SGJ:

            Thanks and agreed! And while at it, the Abyssinian king didn’t attack Yemen but Himyar, in modern-day Yemen:)

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Nope, Himyar is in the South west of Najran–whiؤh is in present day Saudi Arabia. َAnd Himyar was a region around Aden, South of Najran. Indeed, the Abyssinians invaded by crossing the narrowest part of the Red Sea and landed in Himyar but that was not their target which they later occuppied–Abraha, Axum, Mesrouk, etc…. The old tastament mentions Queen Sheba as queen of Teyemen or something close to that. Teyemen means South (as in the Tigrinya Yemaan, for direction) There are contraditing theories explaining the question: Right or left of what?

          • saay7

            SGJ:

            Well, on this one, I have to stand my ground: unless there are a bunch of Himyars, or the name refers to a specific place as well as as its empire, both the book I referenced, “The Throne of Adulis”, and the original “Pericles of the Red Sea” and well, everyone, says Himyar is in modern day Yemen: an ancient Jewish kingdom. Search for example “The Rise and Fall of a Jewish Kingdom in Arabia” where it is described as:

            In the southwestern part of Arabia, known in antiquity as Himyar and corresponding today approximately with Yemen, the local population converted to Judaism at some point in the late fourth century, and by about 425 a Jewish kingdom had already taken shape. For just over a century after that, its kings ruled, with one brief interruption, over a religious state that was explicitly dedicated to the observance of Judaism and the persecu­tion of its Christ­ian population.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Of course, stand on your ground, I didn’t say it was not in present-day Yemen. Himyar was a kingdom in South Yemen, Around Aden. It was a kingdom similar to the other kingdoms that existed in ancient times.

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ኣያይ,

            ኣነስ Sal ጥሮታ ምስወጸ ነዞም መንእሰያትና መን ክምህሮም እዩ ኢለ ተሰኪፈ ኔረ ግን እንሀልካ ራእሲ ሓዊ ሓዊ ዝጨኑ ቖልዓ መጺኡና እሞ ጽቡቕ ጌርና ንሓዞ ባሃላይ እየ::

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,
            I hope his humbleness won’t thwart him and deny us the grace of his talent and erudition.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            I absolutely agree. Often times, when I meet young Eritreans on different occasions, I get sort of taken aback by a trend that conveys a troubling scenario where the interest in education or intellectual pursuit seems distant. And right off the cusp, I tend to attribute it to the troubling times they came of age of. It is absolutely encouraging and heartwarming to see Samuel gracing us with his sharper mind and pencil as well.

        • Paulos

          Selam Sal,

          Was interested in the book, “The Throne of Adulis” and checked with Amazon. They don’t have it. Where did you buy it from?

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            Try Google Play, that’s where I got mine.

            Saay

          • Paulos

            Thank you.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Samuel,

        Let me join others who have deservedly commended you for this inspiring contribution. I felt fortunate to have you in this forum and need you to stay as resident source of learning. Your professional way of setting historical issues in context is amazing. I could sense the effort and skill that you had to set in operation to wade through the maze the writing and narrating history to serve the purpose and needs of actors that control the present. It’s an unsettling dilemma that haunts recording history for the discipline’s sake and that for the sake of powers that take control the destiny of peoples.

        This can be demonstrated in the central point you stated in relation to the difficulty the writing of history faces in recording it as shared past by emergent modern nation-states or collecting claimed parts of its through de-construction. It’s a kind of secession of history from history which could be seen in many post colonial entities among which Eritrea is not an exception.

        • Selam Mr. Ismail,
          Thank you for the nice words. It means a lot to get a positive nod from great people such as yourself.

  • blink

    Dear Ghebre
    I have already said enough and I would like you to close this back and forth if and only if it can help you down size your own balloon. What I said is the minimum number of dead people caused by religion. I mean I did not add George bush 2nd numbers of children killed under his biblical oriented war.

    • Hope

      Selamat Gen Blink:
      My feedback to you based on my experience and my weaknesses that am trying to improve(Thank you Haile and Kibrom and SGJ)!

      As Peace said it,you are a Great Debator specially when debating with figures and evidence – like SAAY does and you would be even the Champion of champions if you improve on few Debating Rules and Guidelines ,since you seem to have some kind of luxury of time(positively).

      -Organize your comments /response by an item by an item/point by point or topic by topic like MS,Semere T ,Mez and SAAY do

      1-Reread what you write before you post as it will help you to edit the ideas,language,grammar ,etc…. thereby to Regime your final comment(I miss that al the time as I have no time to edit things and that put in trouble)!

      2-Calm down or tone down and avoid being personal and generalizing specially on sensitive issues like Religion,Culture,our neighbors.

      3-Try to avoid few unpleasant terms like” hate”,etc…

      4-Avoid directly mentioning names unless it is a constructive and positive criticism .

      5-Avoid a tone that could be perceived as an “Authoritative ” one(Religion is like this and that X and Y are this and that …. but present things as an Opinion (Like for ex:”…..based on this and due to this fact,I am of the opinion that Religion over all seems to have contributed more damage than advantage to the Human Society—based on these facts(like mentioning the figures u presented to Gere,preferably with a Source and Links ).

      6-Avoid people that might try to nag u or annoy you or turn u down —the Jokers like Abi et al(sorry my home town Guaddu…nothing personal )

      7- Provide links,Ref and evidence when possible to back up your claims !

      This is not to teach you but to share with you what I have learned thus far from this forum.

      Just my naive and humble constructive feedback /opinion to share with U some Lessons that I have learned from this Forum!)

      • Paulos

        Selam Hope,

        I am impressed! Brilliant! This should be a Guide Book for all of us. Thank you!

        • Hope

          Likewise Dottore!
          Your in depth Intellectual and Professional knowledge on the subject matter you debate on,is a Classic One!

          A combination of both Medicine and Literature Talent you own is a PLUS!

          To his credit,Alex picked up on that!

          You reminded me about Dr Weldemariam Ghebresilassie ,an Eritrean Nephrologist from LA,CA,with a Unique Talent in Medicine and Literature.

          I witnessed this kind of Unique Talent from one of his Presentations at one of the “KEREN High Scool Re-Union Gatherings”,a “Get Together Social Apolitical Gathering”(shush shush …don’t tell Ustaz SGJ,who should have been the Leader of all times of these Gatherings,”Thanks” to some PFDJ Interference,and to SGJ’s “Stubborn ” but Legitimate Stand to make it a “Gathering of Justice Seekers “.

          Alem 9/” TishAtte”/,indeed!

          • Paulos

            Selam Hope,

            Many thanks for those kind words. Nephrology is tough! Dr. WG must be really really good. Hope he goes back to Eritrea and saves lives!

      • blink

        Dear Hope
        That is greatly appreciated sir , I don’t mean to annoy all these religious, culture (heritage hunters) and finally our neighbors. The last one I really cannot do it with the Eritreans in name Ethiopians by heart , I just don’t like these people because they are not nice ( belaeti klite Tsahli ) .

        About posting links , you see it is too hard to post links from Monday-Friday , I mean I don’t want to add extra work to the moderator because I have too much bags to carry with out posting links .

        Awatecom is marked as my favorite site at my desktop and it happens that disqus tells you that someone replied by giving you a red colored number on the left side then I reply. My reply is actually out of respect. I am too quick to type , I mean i am above average to type . I work 2 weeks and 2 weeks free and sometimes 3 months on work and 2 month free . When I was in the US I watched awatecom forum as it doesn’t concern me even though it was and the reason I am active at this time is I don’t click another sites and rarely follow news and I find some people in this forum worthy of my time not like saay said to interrogate someone.

      • Hope

        Correction on item#1:
        To be read as ” … to refine your comment”!
        “…. that has put me in trouble”!

  • gebremedhin yohannes

    Selam Hope
    No sir no religion teaches all the things you mentioned above , you will never find any religious book that advocate all the things you are saying
    people do it in the name of religion for there own agenda, but you will not find it written in any of the religious books ever.
    if you find one i will be very happy to see and read
    religion is about love,peace and hope , but is it practiced 100%? not necessarily, that does not mean religion is bad or evil, blame the people who are doing it in the name of religion, not the religion it self.
    By the way atheism is a religion too in fact a cruel religion with out moral ground or base, in fact it is an arrogant religion ,atheist preach about tolerance but never tolerate any idea that does not accept their way of thinking, if you want an example go to the liberal university in the west.
    Gere

    • Hope

      Selam Gere:
      The problem is that Religion and Faith are being judged by the followers and their actions.
      In Christianity ,there is NOTHING more perfect than the New Testament but the Church is being demonized coz of yhecEvil Acts/Sins of its Followers.
      Case in point:
      Both the Catholic and Protestant Churches’ Scandals!

    • blink

      Dear Ghebre
      It seems you need to read all pages of your respective religion because you are missing by a trillion miles away from what these books says . Sad that a church has a lightings rod at the top to protect the home of god from lighting , does that lighting rod signify something about trust or god willingness to protect his house by his own making . I have a close relative who hate weather news and his only reason is that how could these people know tomorrow will be sunny ? When ever I call him I always ask him how is the weather of the day and what will be tomorrow, he clicks to shut me off but I return to ask about his kids and all family . Just last week he was renewing his Saudi residences and he has to pay heavy bills in order to get the papers and I asked him if he has any faith to redeeming his believe that the Murderer Saudi leader to consider their problem, he said “ we don’t know “

      You need to trust weather news .

      • Natom Habom

        selam blink
        its not they dont know it just expose their agenda
        to divide Eritrean society along ethnic and religion to weaken
        the country while a great enemy is at door step ,

  • Saleh Johar

    Saay, Abi, Blink, and Emma,

    Nw after watching Alamin’s bedtime Tsetseway, you can understand why his student Abdulkadir Hamdan is a lair.

    Atheists are inflicted with a malady. They think they are the most intelligent people ever created. However, they forget the difference between faith and lab science. No one can prove the existence of God or otherwise in any case. Faith is a human experience, so is mythology and it cannot be proved in a lab setting purely based on logic. But there is something I heard from Dr. Shahrour, a Syrian intellectual of the first grade and whose thinking is making great changes in the way people interpret religion. Importantly, he demolishes the arrogance of atheists. He says, in such an issue (proving the existence of God and denying his existence, Einstein and a teashop waiter are equal. Neither the scientist nor the layman can prove his assertion conclusively.

    That is where faith comes. And if you do not believe in FAITH, then you cannot have faith in anything. Not even in their people. Can you be certain the sun will shine tomorrow without empirical argument? Maybe it won’t but that will disprove what humanity experienced since I don’t know when–let’s say since creation. But that requires faith that there is creation. Though the dilemma of the atheists is they believe humans were just created from a bang but they cannot explain who was behind the bang. Then we go into circular arguments that do not add anything to any topic.

    The bottom line is, Alamin Mohammed Said has no clue what he was talking about. And I do not need to prove the Sahaba were refugees running with their skin and didn’t have the luxury of building a mosque anywhere. Not even in Massawa. That was built on a later era. But the Sahaba reached Axum and met the King, there is no doubt about that. So, Alamin’s narration is not even myth, it’s utter stupidity and embarrassing to any Eritrea.
    I am particularly embarrassed because I have a myth of my own: I claim to be the descendant of that era, with a line to the first Sahaba who sought refuge under the King Armaha of Axum … can anyone prove me wrong?

    • saay7

      SGJ:

      Since I have been gently reminded by Haile, a gentle reminder: I am sure you don’t mean all atheists. You are talking about those who delight in mocking the religious, those who equate hate of religion with enlightenment. And they don’t even have any redeeming quality when they do it: for example, it was easy to overlook the aggressive atheism of Christopher Hitchens because he was brilliant . Stephen Hawkins, one of the smartest people of our lifetime, became an atheist because he found a being more powerful than the vastness of the universe to be implausible. It goes without saying some religious people are evil and some atheists are very good. But in Eritrean politics, either atheism or watered down version of religion (as a custom) is considered the only path to managing our diversity.

      I had completely forgotten Hamdan. Is he even relevant to anything?

      saay

      • blink

        Dear saay
        PFDJ don’t care about what you believe, these people care about their sustainability of power and any one who crossed their line be it Atheists, believers or even a donkey will be arrested ,killed and tortured that’s the fact. Their main goal is to rule Eritrea by force out side low and order and such things has nothing to do with with Atheists. There are many world dictators who wast a big chunk of their time in Churches and Mosques. We know who was approving hitler agenda.

        • saay7

          Blink:

          First, a reminder of awate posting guidelines:

          25.6 It is okay to criticize a political ideology but it is not okay to attack a collective identity (race, ethnicity, tribe, region, religion, nationality, gender, etc). Doing so will result in immediate suspension/ban.

          So all reference to “atheists” (a collective identity) should be read as atheists who attack the religious and religions. Hope we are clear now.

          In Eritrea, we are talking about a combination of factors because atheism alone, or socialism alone would not give us what we have. It is a vulgar culture promoted by the PFDJ which considers nationalism to be insulting other nations. It is a culture which considers all other identities–religion, ethnicity–tinderboxes ready to exploded if not managed from above. The reason that the religious are a bigger target than the atheists is because the thing that the regime fears the most is any organizing belief. The atheists (in Eritrea at least) are culturally repressed and would not dare organize. But the religious may be organized under the right circumstances. So, first, any attachment they have with fellow-believers in other nations, particularly Ethiopia and the West, must be cut (the Eritrean Tewahdo Church was cut from the Ethiopian Tewahdo Church; the Roman Catholic Church was severely restricted, others were banned altogether.) The trashing that Alamin Mohammed Seid is giving Alnegashi in Tigray is along the same thread. Consider what one of his pupils wrote on twitter today:

          #Eritrea Did you know in 620 AD the First #Islamic #Sahaba Faith Mosque was built in Eritrea long before #Mekka after the followers of Prophet Mohammed May Peace be upon him instructed his 22 followers persecuted by the Kureshi to seek refuge here in Eritrea.

          Where does one even begin with this? Remember, in the interview, all he was asked to do is describe the secret to Eritrean unity and harmony, and he started badmouthing Axum, Negashi and talking about 1 million year old Afar women. And someone like you (I am sorry to say) are one of the hurdles to bringing positive change in Eritrea: the minute you heard somebody badmouthing Ethiopia, that was all you needed to consider the person as truth-teller despite the fact that he is telling you verifiably false information about Eritreans freedom of movement and human rights.

          saay

          • blink

            Dear saay

            You know and I know the only small window people have is here in awatecom and this window is open to people like me at a great cost to some people and sometimes even annoying their core belief . Just recently I read a comment in one Facebook group accusing this site giving space for people like me to spew our hate against the “ habesha history “ and they even accused the moderator giving me open space to insult the relationship with Tigrains , I felt you almost read that comment and used the PGL to remind me that I should not cross it . I get it saay but the truth is sir , it is too much to carry the lies that we have been told “ we are brothers , one people , culture and many “ I was never active in the forum for almost 10 years , I was just reading articles and debate without saying a word.

            Why I am saying this ? I really don’t know but I have the feeling in my head telling that , why do these people lie while they kill eachother .
            You are too good and I would not dash your take .

          • saay7

            Blink:

            Actually, no: it occurred to me that my and SGJs posts about “atheists” were not qualified* and would read like blanket condemnation and I was correcting the record: that even we are not allowed to do that per the posting guidelines.

            The word we should have used on Alamin M Seid is ignoramus not atheist. In his attempt to insult Ethiopian historians he insulted Islamic historians and Eritrean Muslims because in Islamic history, Massawa (Eritrea), Zeilae (Somalia) and Negash (in Tigray) are all considered significant in the first years of Islam. This is why Eritrean Muslims go to visit the Negash shrine. A Christian Eritrean, an atheist Eritrean would not have rambled the way Alamin did: and that’s the point: the PFDJ defrosts him whenever it needs a bull in the China shop. And he obliges. He is a sad, pathetic figure who symbolizes his party perfectly.

            saay

            * even gentle Ismail who has nothing bad to say about anyone is piling on atheists.

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            A clever dude like you once said, “The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don’t know anything about.”

            If I have known you long enough, in this Eritrean Agora if you will, I say, the problem with you, is, you just don’t give up on people where more often than not, they are determined to hate than listen to the voices of reason. At some point, you gonna have to learn to let it go for chasing the wind gets you no where.

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            If you ask me what would I like the legacy of this website to be, the answer may surprise you, but only because Eritreans (and most Africans for that matter) have a Ghedli era understanding of what information is supposed to do: raise consciousness, change minds, line more people up on “our side.” The goal is more ambitious and the clues are in the posting guidelines and our obsession with demands on salutation. It is to introduce the key factor that made European Enlightenment possible: civility. This is not the same as politiness. But respect for other opinions, no matter how outrageous they may be. Civility is the foundation of citizenship and progress. Civility makes debate and exchange of ideas possible.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            I do agree. And hope everyone appreciates it. That said however, what I found to be sad is, ዓንጃል person like Alamin sets the tone of this otherwise superb forum when it shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place.

            As it happened, I am reading two books alternatively, Kindle Edition, titled, “The Mathematical Universe”, and “The Serengeti Rules” where the former is obviously as the title suggests and the latter is a combination of Ecology and Genetics where the macro and micro world in the life sciences meet.

            If there is any relevance to the ongoing debate in the forum, both authors are athiests where the facts they put forward mounts tremendous burden of proof to a person like me who is a believer in God. To come back to your point however, they make their argument with in the boundaries of civility where the audience is at liberty to make their own conclusion with respect to the facts. More over, the authors are humble enough to admit that, their facts suffer from crude limitations where zeal, dogma and fanaticism lose any meaning. Again, your input is spot on!

          • saay7

            Paulos:

            In the Eritrean cyberspace, the focus of Alamin Mohammed Seid’s talk is on where it should be: his claim that there is human rights in Eritrea but not in those nations who claim they are a democracy. Asmarino, for example, did an outstanding split-screen presentation to contrast his claims with the testimony of Eritrean youth.

            But awate forum loves a good theatre of the absurd, which may be why we gravitated towards his discussion of the mosques and his skull-duggery (pun intended) that a million year old non-human is actually an Afari woman. Remember, on the Sahaba Mesjid, what he said is that the minute the Sahaba (companions of the prophet) landed in Massawa, they built a mosque and this one predates the one in Mecca and as for the one in Ethiopia, “እዚ ዝበሃል ኣስላም ኣብ ነጋሺ ኩሉ ሓሶት እዩ”: what is said about Negashi is all lies.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah saay7,

            Samahak Allah ya Ustazna. “… Ismail … piling on atheists” ! Did I behave so bad today in the way respected fellow forumers have taken note of? The sense of what I wrote was not intended to opportunically snatch the chance to voice reckless blanket reference to “atheists” as collectivity.

            As my follow up response to dear FishMilk had explained, the issue was an attempt to distinguish the pretentious self-professing individual from those who formulate their views as an aftermath of intellectual rigor – nothing more or less. Othewise, I cannot venture to deny individuals rights that I enviously cherish for myself.

            Ramadan karim.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi saay and all,

            No you are not. I don’t know if you recall, we had this type exchange with blink. Most of you are a lot more gentle that I and I admire your patience. My believe is that, these people know exactly what they are doing and they are doing it with purpose. I

            It started with gently exchange but it exploded in the end and I don’t take him seriously since. He is like we say ፈሊጡ ዝደቐሰስ ፡ ነቅኒቅካዮ ነይትስእ.

            I can understand if someone says, I don’t believe in God and I am atheist what ever. But to Ismail point, is there any Eritrean who is born atheist, as in his parents or his grand parents are atheist and do not identify with any type of religion in Eritrea. I tried to understand and thought really hard, but I have no idea. He is like most PFDJ supporters, if he likes it or not, he is born to Islam or Christian.

            All his war on religion started after the Akria incident. Until that point, I thought he was like everyone who oppose the abuse by the regime, but equally or more oppose, the Ethiopian government and EEBC etc. and the opposition.

            But the rage that he unleashed to help discredit the movement in Akria, was quite a surprise to me. As if he was reporting live from the scene considering how sure he was, with the situation and what the results will be.

            I have concluded that he must be writing directly from the minister of information or the president office.

            I give him credit, that he knew what will happen to the young and children from Akria. He said they will be incarnated, they did.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I really wanted to stay off from commenting in this thread after saay commented to me all about Alamin and PGL ,yet here you are being again always Berhe . First don’t forget that I was opposing anything that has to do with the word Habehsa and religion, for that matter way way before Akria . Do you remember the two recent articles by Ali salim ? pls check the forum under his article and you will see I was saying more about religion than the current one . Third you are right I am born from religious family and even I have some from wahabis and these really don’t mean anything to me . Fourth , I know enough about religion but that is for another day . Someone from Eritrea has to figure out how to reject religion and that is done by questioning every inch of its militaristic order . You wanted to know more how to reject religion !! ask questions , read the book any religious book and just make sure you ask more questions and try to find an answer then you will reach at my conclusions and join me . As Sam Harris sai “Almost all American presidents say they go to church and speak with their god, and American Christians love them for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.” It’s amusing you guys are annoyed with simple logic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            With regards to Alamin and what he said. You are right he does symbolize the PFDJ. But there is a lot more going on with similar propaganda. With Sudan and Ethiopia agreement of joint defense, they are now saying and single out the “Eritrean Islamic Opposition” as being supported solely by Qatar. They are turning this an issue of “Religious issue”.

            They are pathetic….here is what Sophia, Elias Amare and there is press release by ministry MoI with similar message.

            So much for the hope and peace….

            Berhe

            Sophia Tesfamariam:
            How does #Ethiopia|s support 4 anti-#Eritrea #Jihadist groups square with role as “US ally against terrorism”? Wonder if @UN #Somalia #Eritrea Monitoring Group (SEMG) @_AfricanUnion @AU_PSD R paying attention 2 these potentially dangerous developments in the region…

            @eliasamare
            #Eritrea’s Ministry of Information issues Press Statement on the unabated #Sudan-#Ethiopia-#Qatar conspiracy against #Eritrea

          • Natom Habom

            selam saay
            you must be one of the great achiever of something to call someone ignorant ,a man that fight and brought independance to it s people
            what did you achieve my brother ?
            the Ethiopian history of 3000 is over in Eritrea ,but you are free to be obedient to that fake history so called ethiopian historian
            zeila ,massawa ,somalia is islamisc history ???
            so what ?? he didnt said it is not ,but everythink began in eritrea
            what is wrong about that ???
            please tell us of you what you guys know ,teach us ??
            I am christian I am all for it , christian are open minded ,we are the one always streching hand calling we are brothers while some called us atheist and kafir not you off course .

          • saay7

            Natom Habom:

            Without addressing the rest of your comments, I can tell you I regret calling tegadalai Alamin “ignoramus”, and I owe him an apology. I did not follow my own advice of “never write when emotional.”

            Saay

          • Natom Habom

            selam say ,
            its ok ,I don t think he care my friend
            he dont know you exist ,keep up I like your answer

          • Bayan Nagash

            Dear Sal Y.,

            I like to respond – sometimes – to blink because he really brings out the stuff that gets talked about in the social media, he brings it in questioning format, albeit, at times, laced with misconstrued assumptions. But, I sense some genuine clarification seeking spirit to it, at other times, it just feels it is done to rub some individuals the wrong way. (I realize, I am also making assumption while addressing others’ assumptions, which can go to this merry go round circular arguments).

            At any rate, these are addressable issues, issues worth sparing one’s time for. The time when I respond to blink and/or Nitricc and others who go by pen-names is when I sense an opportunity to try to dispel some myths, conspiracies, and the like. I don’t always have time to respond, but when I do have it, I do. For example, the issues he raises about our collective assumptions on lack of tolerance toward atheism is something not only worthy of contemplation in this thread, but deserves an article-size treatment. Just a thought, not necessarily for me to be the one to be entangled in this, but it is a legit issue and I am glad you are coming forth to correct the misperception that this could have using posting guidelines.

            BN

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            Thanks man , you are always genuinely gentler and that has been a problem for me because on the face of your collective understanding it becomes a mountain and not able to criticize anything you throw at me or at anyone for that matter. I really don’t think atheism matters in Eritrea at the current time while people are tortured and mistreated on everything they do . Why I question the religion and sometimes the southern relationship is Bryan to be honest I believe they are hurting people by covering the problem .

            I may not elaborate more like many in this forum but I still think questioning religious beliefs in this forum is becoming a taboo to some people . I hope all of you get good health and see a democratic Eritrea with full individual rights written in its constitution and then you will find me more bullish with big horn to pock such topics .

            As always with respect

          • Bayan Nagash

            Dear blink,

            Too kind of you to say, but I think you are onto something here. Our thresholds sometimes tend to stop when the issue becomes an affront to our personal belief system. I sometimes wonder, what will be our response to Eritreans of the future who will demand not only their religious rights – whatever that belief system or lack thereof it is – but also their right to lesbianism and homosexuality? Can we swallow our personal pride and accept – for now hypothetical though may seem but will inevitably become an issue – and grapple with? I just wonder if we really have deeply genuine tolerance for differences in whatever form they come.

            As for your intense aversion toward anything that comes by way of our neighbors from the south, I think it will in the end become no more than a thorn on our side that both sides have been harboring and that we will rise above it and see our humanity in each – I can’t pin it on anything more than hope. So, keep on engaging and it is in the process of that engagement where your views will evolve. That’s one fundamental principle that I appreciate the awate forum for.

            Sincerely,
            Beyan

        • Natom Habom

          SELAM blink
          why they think they been attaked collectively
          what wrong to say religion is private but country is for all of us
          but no suprise her ,just the people who gamble on extremism in Eritrea
          to bring chaos nothing less ,I do believe they dont care ,I am sure even if pfdj is overthrown they will have no chance at all let alone now
          so where is there freedom of speech or of thought they preach in all arena ??? the attack come from both side you know ,from the Agazian and our toothless ,as if they work together ,I have suspicion
          both have been destroyed in one interview ,
          this is why they dont like debate

      • Saleh Johar

        Saay,
        About an hour ago I was talking to someone who identifies himself as an atheist. He mentioned this discourse we are having and he said “atheists are annoying.” In surprise I told him he was one. His response was hilarious: Saleh, I don’t want to admit that a day before Ramadan. I don’t want to take risks.

        He is honest.

        NB: if I used a broad brush earlier I apologize. I must have meant most of them 🙂

        • Selamat Saleh Johar, Saay7, FishMilk, Blink and All,

          1. Saay7 says: “Stephen Hawkins, one of the smartest of our life time, became an atheist because he found a being more powerful than the vastness of the universe to be implausible.” I say, a more powerful being is the continuously expanding universe plus Stephen Hawkins PLUS YOU, the individual. That YOU are created from and by the universe needs no proof. The universe is less than or equal to, <=, or less "powerful than the" continuously expanding vast universe, the CREATOR.
          2. In your second to your debut new media tool address regarding the lack or total absence of Eritreans outcry for Yemen as opposed to the "crocodile tears" for Ethiopians loss of life, disasters and political malady. Conjured by "nbAAt Hargetse" to Saay7's inquiry for the meaning of the oxymoron sounding phrase "enda belaaEna nHzen", "Let us feast while we mourne" Abrehet interpreted as not a celebration feast rather "we must go on living in spite of great loss." It is now the season of fasting not feasting. Ramadan Karee EsateGomerah volcano eruption lava swallowing the earth in Hawaii and masked Palestinian young taken on

      • Ismail AA

        Selam saay7, SGJ and everybody out there,
        Does anyone believe there are Eritrean atheists (inside or outside)? I don’t believe there are. Of course there are some who pretend, and most of them are either childish or ignorant about what they pretend. I know there are some who are addicted to socially and religiously unapproved practices and take refuge in claimed atheism. For example an alcoholic Moslem who fails to practice what his faith prescribes may pretend to be an atheist but towards the last quarter of his life, would recant. There may some who pretend to be savvy in politics (mostly leftists) and think they could excel if they would profess atheism. Thus, do not worry about individuals who present themselves as atheists. Just wait until they approach the end of their of their life.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Ismail AA. I know you don’t mean any intentional harm but I personally find your line of questioning a bit of a witch hunt and insulting. An individuals right to personal identity and to chose their own belief is a private matter which is protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Questioning the legitimacy of the way that a person chooses to believe is simply wrong as it is prejudiced.

          • blink

            Dear FM
            You know for a fact what he means , you know from what we all know that such things come out from people who doesn’t give a flying time about universal declaration of human rights .Everybody knows such people advocating justice in Eritrea means cutting people who defy their beliefs in god . We already have some hint from agazians what will they do if they get the chance ,we also have years of records about apostasy which is from his kind of religiously approved practices and all that kind of horrible things, that’s what he is implying. He just doesn’t know what is at stake after PFDJ . I heard all the Saudi and many other conservative society of both religion consumes a big chunk of alcohol especially white horse , that tells you about the hypocrisy as well as entitlements of such people carry at their head .

          • Ismail AA

            Selam FishMilk,

            This is my first encounter with you in this forum. Please accept my sincere expression of joy for having you in this forum and benefit from your views. Genuinely and soberly expressed opinions are useful in whatever sense they may be. As you have stated in your first sentence, I would neither go out to harm anyone nor imagine myself to be in a position to insult fellow human or even think of an attempt to engage in “witch hunt”.

            I perfectly agree with you about an individual or group to enjoy rights to choose own belief or identity. It’s part and parcel of being born as human before being an acquired norm as enshrined in international covenants or declarations.

            However, the point I tried to express was drawing a difference between personal condition induced professing of atheism and one that taken after testing through proper erudition and intellectual rigor in the form of, say, Bertrand Russel and others like him. I think there is difference between emotion driven amateurish pseudo-atheism that we meet here and there and intellectually consummated negation of faith or religion.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Ismail AA and many thanks for the welcome and your (and Saleh Johar’s) comments which are taken in good stride. Kind regards.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Ismail AA,
          ዝገደፍካልና የብልካን! ደሓን፡ ዘረባና መቂሩካ ካብ ዝጠፋእካዮ ስለዝመለሰካ፡ ብዙሕ ሕጉሳት ኢና። ‘ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ንሰላምn ንስምምዕn ተኸናኸኑ’ ከም እተባህለ፡ ንረመዳን ኢልና ነዋሕ መልሓስና ከነጹማ።
          ኣይትጥፋእ
          ረመዳም ከሪም

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile S,
            Hayle Antelyuwas melHasey tHxer. Kemey ke Qenika. Ksab bxubuQ Hlna zkone ztnkef selam yelen. Ab teKbrom aHwat mtinkaf ayewOleni.

          • Haile S.

            Ismail,
            እስማዒል ሓወይ፡ ጸላኢና መልሓሱ ትሕጸር! ንጽቡቕ ኢልካ ከምእተዛረብካ ዝስሕቶ ሰብ ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን። ኣዘራርባኻ ‘እዞም ጆራቛት መዓንጣ የብሎም፡ ኣብታ ገምገም ምስ በጽሑ ረድረድ ክብሉ’ዮም’ ኮይኑ ስለዝተሰማዓኒ እየ፡ ሓሞተይ ተዛሪባ።
            ዕድመኻ የንውሓዮ፡ ዘረባኻ የብዝሓዮ።
            Sincerly

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; I don’t how people can’t understand that ” “All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry.” So it the fear factor that brings people to religion when it nears to the end.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Nitricc,
            That is a confrontational definition of religion. Religion comes from self interrogation, where did we come from, why do we exist and where do we end up. Nitricc, it is better we (all of us) end this discussion. We the declared atheists are the one at odds with the others, not the other way round. Atheism like religion is a personal issue that we cannot impose on others.
            Best

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile, you said “That is a confrontational definition of religion” sometimes the truth needs to be confrontational to be told as is! If not i am going to ask you to define what religion is? be careful my man.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,
            I thought I defined what religion is by mentioning what it tries to answer. I prefer not to return back on what I was suggesting. And don’t worry, I am not going back to my church unless the saint spirit lands on me; if that is what you were warning me to be careful of.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            You are one crazy Eritrean bull in a china store, I must say.
            There is no point in discussing over terms we cannot define or have a common understanding of its meanings. It is all just a deafening loud noise.

            On a different note, let me make a comment about your sort of apology somewhere on this thread to saay. Your stock went up with me about your core. That is not to say I understand your politics.

            On another completely unrelated subject, since you have opinion on everything and not afraid to say them, what do you think happened to our queen, Hayat Adem, abdicating her throne. Her disappearance from her kingdom for extended period of time when she is needed the most is perplexing, to say the least. What is your take.

            Mr. K.H

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Ismail AA,

          So, religion is induced by fear of death, a consolation crutch to help us limp into the unknown?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon Kaleab,
            I am afraid you misread what I had written. I did not state fear of death induce religion; it’s not that simple. Religion in essence and purpose has not been taken in my rejoinder. It was about individuals who profess atheism vis-a-vis individuals who state their position from religion and faith through rigorous refutation.

    • FishMilk

      Hi Saleh Johar. Dissapointing. Thought that you would have respected freedom of thought, belief and religion (to include atheism) without making prejudgment. Arrogance is not reserved for the realm of non-believing.

      • Saleh Johar

        Fishmilk,
        Respecting freedom of thought does not mean accept foolish thoughts. Because I respect freedom of thought I work hard to enable you to express it here. Just remember that. I know arrogant people with different persuasions. In the context we are debating, I thought the ideas expressed by atheists are arrogant. Can’t I enjoy my freedom of expression? Think about it my dear 🙁

  • Selam Abi,

    Who are the atheists? Do you see a pattern. I think i do.
    They hate ethiopia for not vacating badme. They hate the usa for failing to force ethiopia out of badme. May be their problem with God and religion is that they believe they got no helping hand either for their most prominent issue, badme, which became very frustrating. God does not meddle in human foolishness may not be enough.
    If ethiopia stays another five years, they may become agnostics, just in case…, it could be different this time. Ten years from now, they could end up a religious guru.
    They could have respected other people’s religious belief, so that their choice of atheism is also respected. It is as simple as that. It is not necessary to be an advocate of atheism and an opponent of a religious belief. Do not try to convince me, nor will i, is the simplest answer available.
    If you believe in strong men, the power of money, etc, as human beings used to worship the sun, gods living on mountain tops, etc, is this not a sort of religion?

    • Abi

      Hi Horizon
      I got a different take on the atheists. They think they are advanced and don’t belong to the common people.
      I have met many athletes mostly ferenjs. Although they don’t believe in religion, they are respectful and considerate to others.
      We had many athletes doing the early days of derg. A derg relative of mine , a graduate of UCLA, refused his son’s baptism due to his Leninist BS. Funny thing is after the collapse of derg he started going to church. He goes to Bole Medhanealem 7 days a week. I remember him saying many things against the church because the early morning qidase was waking him up early in the morning.
      Tiraz neTeq is the right word to explain these people.

  • blink

    Dear abi
    Too bad you can’t use your sahay class in this forum and I am enjoying your presence because I can see the urge in your head to say what sashay lectured you .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hi All Awatistas ,

    I just listened the interview of Alamin the general secretary of PFDJ at meskerem. He talks about history and civilization. Not only he jumps from one subject to another, he came with unheard PFDJ’ cooked history and civilization. He projected as history and civilization was started in Eritrea, and as such we were civilized than Europeans and others. Wow, ዘገርም’ዩ ናይ ዚኣቶም ሓሶትሲ መወዳእታ ዘየብሉ:: ክሳዕ ህዝብና ንዝኾነ ዝበሃል ብኣታቶም አሚኑ ዝኸደ ናይ ሓስት ግዙእ ክነብር እዩ::

    Is there any historian like Isamail and others who could write an article to expose their lies?

    Regards

    • A.Osman

      Selamt Amanuel,

      I think for officials the more stupid they sound than their master the safer … if he admonishes them on their wrongdoings, they can escape with…yqreta habeley ayay

      I could not even bear to hear the full interview.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam AOsman,

        Welcome back. We missed your inputs for sometime.

        • A.Osman

          Selam Emma,

          The student is around, quietly learning from the interesting discussions here.

          Regards
          AOsman

    • saay7

      Hi Emma:

      Didn’t you think of our discussion about “civilization state” vs “nation state” when Alamin was telling us the 1 million year old skull found in the Denali area was that of an Afar woman and therefore Eritrean? That we were writing 400 years ago when Europe was in the dark ages? That Aba Salama came to Eritrea before going to Ethiopia? That Adulis is grander than Axum but the latter was exaggerated thanks to the Brits. (Don’t ask). That the Sahaba mosque in Eritrea is real and that of Al Negashi (shrine in Tigray) is fake?

      You can’t write about this, seriously, so I wrote it as satire in my blog. Will share next weekend.

      saay

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Saay7
        Which mosque build first? I mean which mosque is the oldest from sahaba and al negashi? R they both build by the first immigrant from Mecca?

        • saay7

          Teodros:

          Now you are going to get me into Alamin Mohammed Seid mode of thinking of making everything a contest between Eritrea and Ethiopia. The two places are historically important to Islamic studies for different reasons: Negash is considered one of the earliest Muslim settlements ( a cemetery from 7th century was found presumably of a Muslim); the shrine, the tourist attraction, was built much later. The Sahaba mosque in Massawa was built in 1400 and is considered the oldest mosque in Africa. So, the first Muslim settlement was in Ethiopia; the first Muslim mosque in Africa was in Eritrea. People can leave it at that and get tourism bundle deals.

          The point is: there is no reason for Alamin Mohammed Seid to trash the one in Tigray (a huge tourist attraction for all Muslims except Wahabis who hate shrines) just to build up the one in Massawa. But that is the PFDJ mindset: they are hard-wired that way.

          saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            Did he trash the one in tigrai?
            I think he said there was adolis before axum and there was sahaba mosque before al negash but the one on eritrea side never been told accordingly for obvious reasons. I think that what he said.
            That is how i understand him. Am i wrong?

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            Yes, you are.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            U know i only understand him the words with more related to amharic.
            But may i ask if u can summarize the whole interview ?

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            Yes you may ask. Just like I will now ask Berhe who is looking forward to hearing it and taking notes.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            This writing stuff is not my forte, so I would kindly enlist my good fried iSem to do the summary.

            I like to build stuff with my hands, its the PFDJ occupational hazard that brings me here to read your summary:).

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            I haven’t seen anybody in this forum argued based on if what he said is fact or not , untill now.
            What i understand is his narration of history is a sharp contrast with that of agaziland bullcrap and that is the problem . i think.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y,

            I hope you reconsider the invitation of iSem for the task. I recommend that you recommend G’hetab, the spokesperson of Adulisia, for the job.
            G’hetab, the accomplished historian of that ere and area will blow our minds with all the hidden fact.
            Just an observation.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi M.k.,

            You are absolutely right. I second that.

            I am not surprised they are not using his manual.

            Berhe

          • Selamat Mr. Kim H.,

            Yeah! It would be nice to hear from my brother and friend Welid Keren Gheteb. He and I shared adjacent cubicles for nearly six years, ten hours a day seven day work week. I miss the Bull.

            Gheteb kofo halieka seni halieka?
            tSAtSE

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam GitSAtSE,

            I miss the bull too. I only met him here as a visiting professor for few months. What a ride it was, I learned things that I have never heard of before or after. I think I earned unwarranted D from him.

            BTW: Ras Abi is advancing the argument that all these appropriation , ownership of historical dates and locations as the work of Agazians.

            Once the historical foundation is laid, next is the reeducation to go where they want to go.

            Where are they going?

            Mr. K.H

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Emma,

        I think there is some propaganda strategy they are cooking up. There was Yemane Ghebreab, and another guy, use to be minister of mining and I don’t know now. And Alin is the last one.

        All within couple of weeks.

        The sad part is, a lot of people will start repeating what he is saying.

        Berhe

        • saay7

          Selamat Berhe:

          Within PFDJ, Alamin M Seid has historically played two roles (1) that of the canary-in-the-coal-mine (like the Derg’s የፍየል ወጠጤ) foreshadowing bad things to happen (as he did in his interviews before the arrest of the G-15); or (2) the mop-op operation after some terrible thing had been done (as was the case when Eritreans in Barka refused to have their daughters conscripted: ask iSem, he has the details. If he refuses to cooperate, I will share what I know of his disastrous visit.)

          Here, I think it is mop-op operation. Here’s the clue: whenever he was trying to make the point that there should be a wall of separation between Church & State, he also made the point that there should be a wall of separation between Church & School. My reading is: the PFDJ high rank, which is short on Muslims (after the disappearance of Sherifo and Abdella Jaber and after the “resignation” of Ramadan Mohammed Nur), had to send him out to address that. Remember, in all his halewlew narrating hilarious history, the interviewer kept trying to bring him back to the talking point: unity and diversity. But the guy is a story-teller and has no discipline and went on his kolel.

          saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            Actually I have not heard his interview in full. I started it and I got distracted and didn’t get back to it. May be I will listen to it later.

            I didn’t think there was a connection with AL-Dia school with these recent interviews. I was thinking, it’s the PFDJ new strategy of putting new lipstick to tell the people, that best days are coming and things will get better. I don’t if someone said it here or read it somewhere, but YG spoke about the changes that will come after the last YPFDJ meeting. So I thought this is in continuation of that.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhino,

            When he said there is a separation between school and religion, I am sure he said it in order the Akria issue to make it sound illegal.

          • saay7

            Berhe Y:

            Yes, there is a lot going on (which deals with why I am going to win my bet with Amde) in terms of the US-Eritrea relationship as judged by the words used by the politicos of PFDJ as well as the most recent Eri-TV Hateta where the tone is…less embarassing.

            But, we are still talking about why Alamin Mohammed Seid. Because, unlike the Yemanes, he is a Comet who rarely shows up and when he does he is the designated ፈንጅ ረጋጭ, absorbing all the anger and wrath of the people. I asked a friend why is he so ዓንጃል and she says, “one you lose your self-esteem,ኣይረድ.” A Secretary to a politcal party that doesn’t exist, reduced to telling fairy tales.

            saay

        • Haile S.

          Selam Berhe,
          ኣንታ በርሀ፡ ወዮኳ’ድኣ ተዛሪቦም! እቲ ኣጽቅጥ ኣቢልካ ምዕማት (ምቕናይ ስለዝሓጸረኒ’የ) ዶ’ይኮነን ጸጊሙና ዝነበረ። እንቋዕ መልሓሰ-ልጓም ፈትሓሎም በል። I will listen to this ‘interesting’ interview later. Thank you Emma.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Haile S.

            My reading is not that like these say anything freely and speak their mind That would be welcome if they do.

            What they are doing is selling the package what ever the package is subscribed to them by the higher up, IA, YG and repeat the same message again and again, until everyone else starts repeats the same thing.

            Saay gave us the hint what the message is, which I didn’t know the exact purpose was.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,
            I agree 100% wz you. I was trying to say, the more they speak the better we can counter.
            When such politicians talk about historical and scientific things in exaggerated and even propogandist way, they expose themselves. No one will believe them. The sad part of this is that they are not letting the proffessionals talk. Last week, there was an article in Hadas Ertra and Eritrea Profiles with a photo about Alamin opening the workshop on preserving ancient manuscripts. I know some of the professionals sitting in the audience. I would have preferred to read, as ዶር ሀለሐመ said, instead of ኣቶ ኣላሚን said, the political appointee.

          • Selamat Berhe Y,

            Don’t you know that the Kingdom of Wakanada is in fact present day geography Eritrea. Marvel on how the young minds are shaped in the near and far future as they create and innovate technologies far more advanced than anywhere else in the world including Singapore.

            Minister anbibka nkhlob kabinett Hrayy Huruyatt seb ‘Hliff.

            AmErgitSAtSE Counter Narrative 2018 NesafiH NESAFIH (h)gdef “nkhid TTray.”
            Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution!
            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear tSaTse,

            If you become the prof and the president, may be we have a chance.

            You know the first president of Singapore was some kind of intellectual. The current PM was also top Harvard graduate mathematician.

            Before we can dream of things like that, we should actually have people of that caliber as leaders.

            When IA said, he wants Eritrea to model like Singapore, the only thing he had in mind is, the universal national service, and one party and one president who stayed in power for 30 years.

            He skipped all the school stuff..,,

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Haile, sometimes it is necessary for ” A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd” They are doing their things with an absolute silence.

          • saay7

            Nitrric: nice try, but when the orchestra leader turns his back to the crowd, the orchestra is playing soothing music. All your guys produce is a cacophony. Besides Yemane GMeskel is still noisy and still shadow boxing.

            Saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,
            Alamin talked a lot and that is a good thing, but he said nothing of substance other than trying to undermine Ethiopian treasures by way of talking about Eritreas. There was no need to oppose both.
            How it would have been great if he had said: “we are uncovering many historical and archeological sites that are treasures of our country, our region and of humanity in general” ….. without trying to demolish established facts and well established ‘myth’ by a newly fabricated myth. … If he had said that “Eritrea is also endowed with plenty of such site that need to be endorsed by UNESCO for preservation and we are doing everything to accomplish that. We also are trying to preserve ancients manuscripts collected from monastries and shrines” etc etc. “I invite all our citizens and especially youngsters to get interested in the treasures of their country by visiting the national and regional museums. On this occassion I also invite all our brothers and sisters living abroad to plan visiting by bringing their children to these places when they visit their homeland.” ….. “Our region is replete with prehistoric sites especially the afar region both in Eritrea and Ethiopia. We hope one day, if not soon, the scientists of both countries collaborate in unearthing the cradle of humanity.” …… “So far ድንቅነሽ was unearthed in Ethiopian afar in the 70th. Recently Eritrean scientists have uncovered her younger sister just 2 million years her junior in nearby area. We have baptized her with an afar name —— (ናጃት for example) in honor of the region that had preserved this magnificient lady.” ….. “The excavatiin in Adulis is going on. I overheard our knowlegeable people say that Adulis civilization preceeds and/or was not quite in control of Axumite civilization. Whether true or not, I can easily see both civilizations trading and working together, and that is what we would like to see happen now once the border issues is brought to an end.”

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile S,
            I think you are wrong. If he said what you are suggesting he would not be Alamin.

        • Abi

          Hi Hawna Berhe and all
          What I understood from your comments is that the gentleman is telling you that Eritrean history is as old as Ethiopian history therefore we are all Agazians.
          That is what is simmering for a long time. He is bringing you home.
          Welcome back!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            Good to see you back.
            Please take of blink for me :).

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear berhe
            Are in his group of the 3000 lies ? If yes he can represent you

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            It is easy to take care of blink. Strike him when he blinks which he does often.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay Aya Adi-U,

        Ahmm, the “civilization state” really? Does he know what “civilization state” mean by the way? The name Eritrea in itself is not more than two century. If the Chinese claims about it , they have a long history that goes to the Han dynasty era with unique of culture and history. What kind of unique culture and history do we have to claim as civilization state? None at all. The Chinese people do not lie on their history and cultures.

        Regards

        • saay7

          Emma:

          It’s a stretch but somebody like Professor Asmerom Legesse could pull off the argument that Eritrea is a “civilization state”

          But a guy like Alamin Mohammed Seid who says that while we Eritreans were writing books 400 years ago using our own alphabets (when all we did was translate the bible to Tigrinya), Europe was in the dark ages (when it actually produced Shakespeare and Miguel de Cervantes) is too blunt and ill-informed to make anything close to an argument. With all due respect for his years of service as a combatant.

          saay

      • blink

        Dear saay
        The man didn’t say the Al Negash shrine is fake , He didn’t. Second what is wrong if he talks about 1 million old ….?

        • saay7

          Blink:

          Sigh. Having seen your reaction to Beyan interrogation (where you said “never mind”) I feel that half the time this forum is just a place where you quiz people so you can “oh, I was just checking.” But in the very unlikely event that your curiosity is real: go to the interview and start at the 12:00 minute mark. Then come back to me and explain what is the “Hasot” he is referencing?

          As for the 1,000, 000 year old Afar lady being Eritrean, this is like saying the Neanderthal Man is French or Lucy is Ethiopian. It only makes sense in the hypernationalist mind of the PFDJ.

          saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            He said false to the timing of being first shrine in our region not to the building , he continued saying Mosque was built in Eritrea before Mecca , he did not say Negash shrine is fake .

            That Beyan thing is not your style, but since you brought it, the reason I asked was because Paulos was jumping. Again pock or interrogations ahmm , who is here to interrogate?

          • saay7

            Blink:

            How can he say “false” to something that was never claimed? The problem with atheists is they have strong opinions about religion about which they know nothing. What is claimed about Negash in Adigrat area is that it was the first settlement of Muslims in Africa, which is still true. That happened in 7th AD. The sahaba mosque in Eritrea was built 700 years later in 1400 AD: still the first mosque in Africa.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Come on , why are you running after atheists while you are explaining about shrine and Mosques. Are you going to pull some verses from Quran again ? Give it a try who knows .

            What the man saying is simple Sabah is the first Mosque and he rejected the 3000 lies . What’s your problem with that ?

            The sabah Mosque is the first one ( how many people do you think know this ? ) , Settlement ? What are you trying to say ? How many years do they settle there ?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Secularism gov don’t mean atheists.
            Mr Alamim last word was ishallah.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I think saay is not happy because some how he took everything about the Akria and plus why is he having Muslim name representing PFDJ , what will happen if Romodan give a marathon interview next month . The agazians say they own Eritrea and the Islamists say they own Eritrea, can’t you see the difference between all these . I better listen to Mr. Alamin on such topics( history and culture) than to the professor Berket advancing unionists agenda by referring to old lies he acquired from 1960-74

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Saay is not happy just because the undemocratic system of the gov.
            And my comment was based on the context of the interview, nothong else.
            How come u like the interview and the narration of the history by mr Alamin? Is that sarcastic way of showing unhappiness?

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I find him better than the unionists who are trying hard to find their heritage in Adwa . I hate these people . And he is a PFDJ guy, so I don’t expect them to say anything about democratic system in Eritrea. In mr alamins head , Eritrea is going in to the bright future. I better choose mr Alamin than the lunatics who are trying to find a hidden treasure of agazians , unionists and Islamists.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            So u didn’t believe in what he said in the interview but in comparison u like him better than the unionist and agazicrap?
            But it is not comparable, the unionist and agazi guys r just a confused and disparate people opinion helped sarcastically by disparate tplf , mr Almin is a gov high level official.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            You are right his words matters but if you really see the shift in ourselves, who is bragging about anything? Alamin is not an eloquent speaker and he is not daily on the internet to sale his views. Mind you this was prepared by a PFDJ propaganda man and what he said about religion is more healthy than what most internet stars say . He simply rejected the religious lunatics not all believers. I think you should support his idea that the priest and sheikh are just a society parasites . Any religious person is always rigidly attached to his super man .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Whoever think a priest or a sheikh r just a society parasites is a society parasite himself. To be a none believer is ur choices but to think other who don’t agree with u as a society parasite is a crime.
            Criminals r a society parasite.
            Everything started from ur thinking and followed by action.
            And like i said secularism gov don’t mean atheists(as i understand him from the interview).
            I know eplf was a Marxist but am talking about on the context of the interview.

          • Peace!

            Dear Blink,

            I like your ቀልዓለም ዘይብሉ debate style, but given the point is about learning, I urge you to keep it French style—never personal, always intense and educational.

            Peace!

          • blink

            Dear peace
            I always try to avoid any personal issues but I can’t be 100 sure .

          • saay7

            Blink

            Let me know when you are ready to listen. But no I can’t repeat myself for the 3rd time hoping you will eventually listen. Specially when this topic is one the long list of embarrassing tales he told including his claim that there is human rights in Eritrea.

            Saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Ok I am listening now , yes he is a PFDJ and he will say there is human rights in Eritrea, what else do you wanted him to say ? I am not saying he is looking after human rights in Eritrea. What I am saying is sir , he is saying we have our own history and we should revisit the lies told about our history especially about the specific things he raised. He was not eloquent and certainly he lacks the ability to tell in a good way but I still think Eritreans should google about their own history than reading 3000 magic number.

          • saay7

            Blink:

            Listening is not your favorite thing but hope springs eternal:

            1. The reason atheists should humble themselves a little when they give history lessons about religious events is because they sound idiotic;
            2. To be with certainty about an issue has no relationship to knowing the issue;
            3. Ethiopia can claim to hosting the first Muslim asylum seekers in the world (7th century CE) for having the first settlement of Muslims in Africa (7 th century CE), and one of the oldest Muslims shrines (17th century), and the UNESCO heritage walled town of Harar.
            4. Eritrea can claim to be the entryway for Islam to East Africa and for having the first mosque in Africa (15th century.)
            5. # 4 above does not requiring negating any of # 3 above or worse calling it lies. Or linking it to 3,0000 year history. None of Ethiopia’s promotional material about Al Negashi mosque or shrine calls it the first in Africa. It says it is that of the king (Negash) who hosted the first Muslim exiles and first settlement.
            6. Your other halewlew you are having with Teodros speculating about my motives is all in your head, not uncommon.
            7. Everything Alamin said is embarrassing. A man who can casually lie about Eritreans freedom of movement; the government’s lack of respect for basic rights,;his claim that 1,000,000 year old skull is of an Eritrean Afari; his claim that we were writing while Europe was not writing or barely writing, is not just false; it’s embarassing.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            It happens you are one of the very few I listen in this forum but on this thing I will always be happy to reject any thing that has to do with our neighbors. Sorry this has nothing to do with human rights though it matters. The only reason that religious history matters in this is because it’s not about current events. By the way religious people adapted killings of non believers while none believers did not and that must be an open scene to show who is sounding idiotic. Who is trying to rewrite history of human being by reading religious books . If you don’t have anything good to say about atheists pls listen to the American Vice President.

          • saay7

            Dear Blink:

            but on this thing I will always be happy to reject any thing that has to do with our neighbors

            Alrighty then. Have fun!

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            To know that you don’t know is a humbling. And when you debate with those who don’t know that they don’t know is simply time and energy consuming. The above ball pointed comments are basic lessons for those who want to listen. Well said brother.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Eritreans are a deeply religious people and one the ways they expressed their faith was to visit shrines. In 97, just before the war, they used to organize buses from Massawa, Ghindae, Keren, Asmara, to head on out to Dongolo/Wuqro and visit the Negashi mosque. Now if only this place was just a few miles up the Adigrat-Senafe road, just north of the border, Alamin would have been praising its historic nature. Nobody remembers geocentric people for being “Earth-lovers” but for being stubbornly wrong. Same with our Ericentric historians. Here’s a tweet to make you laugh in reply to Alamin’s hilarious claim that a million year old skull is Eritrean Afari woman (who was probably holding ንሕና ንሱ sign, I suggested, to which cake this reply:)

            That makes us the first people in the world to come up with ብሄራዊ ኣወዳድባ ማለት እዩ። Obviously the ንሕና ንሱ sign the Afari woman held was a veritable evidence that we had writing before Europe ማለት እዩ። ከምዚ ዘለ ድንቂ ታሪኽ የለን!

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            I could have said few things that support your arguments, but for some individuals who said, I will reject anything that relates to the common history with our neighbors, is not worthwhile to engage them. So let them have fun with the limits of their knowledge.

            Regards

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Amanuel
            You are again repeating yourself but i am happy to see you in line with saay at list on this . I will ask saay some favor in this because lets be honest you guys have been at opposite angle ever and to see you agree with him is really a heart warming for me minus your so many insults , can you continue do that ? i doubt it because you will brag about weyane and saay will not . Remember you were accusing me supporting whatever saay said , well the day has come that you are in line with him and i counting on you to do so for the foreseeable future .

            On the common history and culture with our neighbors , yes i have been consistent saying i dislike any thing they say ,on that you are 100% right. I do not see anything in common with them ,, i despise their magic number , i despise their evil act on our people and i hate their genocide-re leaders , on the opposite you adore them. Remember again i am not using your discomfort with WEDI AKER lol . I wonder what kind of food they were eating at that time.

            ”Limits of their knowledge” , !!! , what is that you think you know more than anyone ? to remind you sir , praising weyane and defending them shows how shallow your knowledge is .

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            I can’t help but wonder! What is wrong if Amanuel and Saay agree on some issues and disagree on others? Don’t we all fall into that category? Are we supposed to disagree on one issue and treat each other as enemies forever?

            Please understand that this a forum and we debate on a myriad of issues. Our differences and agreements cannot be defined by one issue. There is no law (or rational) that forces you to expect perpetual disagreement or agreement on all issues.

            NB: I am commenting on this specific topic because I agree with you on certain issues but not on others. The same with everyone in this forum. I advise you to divorce this idea of Black and White in such a forum.

          • Aron

            Hi blink,
            I know you have a unjutified fear and phobia towards commen heritage and history thus your charge and stress on our past history is based on lies.
            You insist our religion are worthless and attack us Abyssinian as war mongers. You keep forgetting all the wars fought in the past you try to blame on current day Ethiopia were all fought in oneness with current day Eritrean from axum to the last independence war.

            Forgetting the past, Eritreans play major roles in today’s Ethiopia and vice versa. You don’t have to search history, all you have to do is look with open mind the tplf and eplf leaders and their geanology to see that the common heritage is still live and well despite you, gheteb and alike trying to split hair day in day out.

            Dear blink, you can insult and bash habesha heritage and religion all you want but at the end of the day you will have to respect it because it the majority’s way of life. Your type can’t be more than 1 percent. By your type I mean folks with complete contempt for our religion and history. If it was up to you Eritrean language would be Arabic or some other obscure language erasing tigrigna from the picture along maybe with its habesha people and culture.

            If awate let you insult people in whole who am I to complain.
            Aron

          • FishMilk

            Hi Aron. Do you consider Ethiopia largest ethnic group the Oromo to be Abyssinian? When you mention Habesha heritage, are you referring to Ethiopia’s Oromo or maybe even people from Sidama or Afar? Every nation has myths, superstitions, legends and tales. Modern Ethiopia, which is newer than that U.S.A., is no different.

          • Aron

            Selam FM,
            I don’t pretend to be history buff but at least I know there is no difference between the two tigrigna on both sides of the river. Eritrea’s boarder should be alewha. The tigrigna should unite and create strong nation that respects it’s minorities.
            The agazian movement must remove all the bigoted leaders and adjust it’s policies to be inclusive of all religions and accommodate everything that goes in Democratic society such as freedom of speech and religion, rule of law and freedom of movement and by God allow the people to work.

            Hope once suggested that I smell southerner. Indeed I am from South Eritrea not far from the boarder that saw a lot of blood. A boarder whose aim was to divide the tigrigna people created by Minlik and the Italians. I am an unapologetic habesha proud of his heritage and I will never deny myself to make the selfhaters happy. The only thing I am mad about is the leaders of this unification of the tigrigna people are unreasonably narrow nationalist making a lot of us uneasy.

            What is axum to the wolaita said pmmz. There goes your answer my friend to your question about Oromo and others.
            Aron

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            The reason I keep burning that heritage is also connected to what you are describing. Imagine how many people will die to form Agazian state? You guys has been always about killing nothing new about that . Think about that .

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,
            Let me confide something in you. On the topic of religious misrepresentation and how we understand and practice our faith, I am closer to you. I tend to see scripture from the context of the time it was revealed. It has a lot of historical and cultural aspects that might not be acceptable to our conscience in the present time. And that is why many religions have an inbuilt science called, for instance in Islam, Taaweel. That means it should be interpreted taking into account the present situation. However, since believers belong to different locations, cultures, heritage, and level of literacy, and their persuasion informed by philosophy and rational thinking, they do not arrive at the same conclusion. That is why in Islam we have literalists and others who understand scripture within context. This has been as old as religion and that is why you have sects, schools, and offshoots of different kinds. For example, if you read the conflicts between of the old time, taking AlHallaj as an example, you will understand what you and others are arguing is as old as religion.

            Christianity went through a lot and it is where it is with different sects and it will keep evolving as long as human beings roam the earth. Islam is going through an earth-shaking transformation as we speak. Many historians are reading scripture and interpreting differently. The conservatives and literalists are fighting hard to keep it at a standstill with reference to the time of the prophet. And that is what we should learn about before we make stale and exhausted arguments. Even our debates should be informed and considering the developments, insights and new discoveries that are overwhelming many Muslims at this time. I will give you one example. Quraan has always been understood to be related to the term Iqraa (read). A new theory is being brilliantly argued by Dr. Shahrour where he turns the table upside down explaining that the root word is ‘Qeren’: combine. Another sticking point is, he is challenging the meaning of Nesa’a which he is arguing its root word means things (like furniture) not women. Do you see the huge jump such interpretations will make in the understanding of religion going forward?

            If we recognize such issues, and that our ideas are neither informed nor original, we might be humbled to learn more. That is why I do not like this arguments because it reminds me of the Cadre days of the struggle era where Tiraz Neteq cadres tried to change the beliefs of people. That is my view ‘fil qediaa yaAni” 🙂

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Thanks sir , I believe you are giving me class of my time for free and I deeply appreciated that .
            I believe the Muslim world has enough scholars and very intelligent people but how do these people get space in the society is becoming hard from day to day . Muslims are by millions the largest victims of the current problem ,even though all problems are not invited by them. Can you imagine the discrimination we are facing because of our name ? The look on airports, shopping malls and many public places ,these are all the tips of the iceberg we are facing. I think new kind of reading and meaning is required to save us from the very few but physically strong once . If Islam is getting to what you are saying , it means there will be a day of peace first to Muslims and to the world.

            Again thanks sir

          • FishMilk

            Hi Aron. Have you thought about piloting your Agazian stratagem in Washington D.C.? Mayor Muriel Bowser might be receptive to the idea. You should try to approach her!

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            First I did not insult anyone for the sake of heritage or being born from Tigray , second I have never said Arabic to be Eritreans language at the expense of Tigrinya ,Tigre and other Eritrean languages. What I am saying is sir , the common heritage that people keep saying is a pure lie narrated by some elite forces for their own benefits. What did you guys do with your heritage? If we go back to any time that was passed by Ethiopians and Eritreans we find all about killings and murders nothing useful was produced. The animosity between the Amharic and Tigrinya and between the Tigrinya speakers is assumed love while the opposit was done on poor people. I am sorry Aron I don’t see any benefit for any side in this cooked lies of Habesha drama.

          • Aron

            Hi blink,
            Your denials and lies are worse than your habesha assault. Thanks for engaging anyway.
            Aron

          • blink

            Dear Aron
            Tell me what are the lies ? Are you neglecting the historical animosity between the two ? What do you read on their written history? Love , common interest ? Forgive me but what I see and read is killing.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Saay7. You say that ‘The problem with atheists is they have strong feelings about religion about which they know nothing’. Sorry, but this seems to be a contradictory summary statement, for likewise, do you know so much about atheism? Many atheists that I know, such as those with upbringings in strict socialist countries, never knew nor were they exposed to religion, and have no strong feelings about it.

          • saay7

            FishMilk:

            Yeah I should qualify it with “our”. Our atheists.

            They also have 50% understanding of secularism. They think it only means no religion in state affairs when it also means no state in religious affairs. They never mention the latter although the origin of secularism in the West was to protect religion from State

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Good morning Sal,
            You too started painting with the our/they brush? We deserve a little consideration here as we know well, we will not get it up there 🙂 .

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            Since you are the second person whom I respect who is telling me my head is detaching from my neck, I will check :). Some of my best friends are atheists, I remember Adey kusto, was to cook for us chickpea bread on atheists holiday, Earth Day…

            Peace & Love

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay & Hailat,

            These issues of “religion and atheism” reminds me my Russian organic chemistry teacher, who was an atheist, came with a question in our heated arguments in 1967. It was neither rational question nor was it a thought provoking question. The question was: Can your God create something which he can not lift it? Keep in mind, this question if you answer either way yes or no, it induce a follow up question, why? to negate to the idea “kulu Zekealo”. So the argument with atheists is always ስምራ ዘየብሉ ኩዳ ዓረዛ ኮይኑ እዩ ዝተርፍ::

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma:

            This is a dangerous thing to say for my soul on Ramadan eve but I have never been a religious person. It’s important to me because it’s important to our people. I find it puzzling that the same people who would lose their head if someone criticized our history, culture, traditions, feel no hesitation to mock the signs, rituals and faith of our people.

            Obviously this doesn’t apply to Haile, a class act. But to all those who think they can prove they are not bigoted by being bigoted to the faithful.

            Saay

          • Haile S.

            Hi Sal and Emma,
            Like most children, I started interrogation on God when I was too young, but there was one event that struck me hard at that very young age. My mom had an old very respectable ኣባት ነፍስ who use to come to our home regularly to give his benediction. One day I was sitting and listening to his teaching and said: መዓልቲ ምጽኣት ምስ ኮነት እቶም ሓጢኣን ንኣምላኽ ብጸጋሙ ክትንስኡ’ዮም፡ ካብ ዃኽ 7 ጊዜ ጸሊሞም ክስርዑ እዮም። እቶም ጻድቃን ክኣ ብየማኑ ካብ ጸሓይ 7 ጊዜ በሪሆም ክስርዑ እዮም (later discovered it was from revelation don’t remember the chapter)። So immediately I was preoccupied by my visual vision. How am I going to have a look without burning my eyes and how can something be 7X darker than a crow, and in the dark we are going to bump against each-other constantly. Since then I never let my bible lessons go without scrutiny. I am of then young generation who use to go to እንዳ ስላሰ and እንዳ ማርያም ስብከት and there was a preacher who liked to read Matthew Chapter 24 that also talks of ምጽኣት. It says…ሽዑ መዓልቲ ምንቅጥቃት ምድሪ እሳተ ጎመራ… ክኸውን’ዩ፡ ወይልአን እተን ጥኑሳት እተን ሓራሳት, and I was saying to myself, why then make them suffer. Is there no other alternative… Therefore from that time on I got tolerized to religion and fighting with the higher entity became my kind of guilty pleasure and punching-bag. From now on I will try to restrain myself.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Hailat,

            I don’t care whether one is religious person or a pagan or an atheist. But one should not ridicule on religious beliefs of others. Respecting each other’s religion is the natural “cardinal rule” for the coexistence of multicultural societies. We can’t debate on “religion” because it is a matter of individual’s spiritual belief. It is not science to hypothesize it and prove it through experimental procedures and techniques. We should only focus on our collective endeavors to change the quality of life of our people.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            You are absolutely right. I apologize. ኢድና ጠብ ምብህሃል ክንርስዕ የብልናን።
            ናይ Sal (Saay) ኢድ ጠብ ከብል፡ ናይ ባዕለይ ኢድ ኣንዊሔ ዘርጊሔዮ። If there is a viscious cycle that need to run constantly, it is this reminder ንዝተጋገየት ኢድ ጠብ ምባል.

          • Hope

            Selam Aman:
            I agree with U ,not just in principle.
            As a Christian though ,is there a diplomatic way of Evangelization ?
            Here is a challenge::
            Can we really keep silent about some kind of religions that disrespect humanity and practice Brutal Social Injustice?
            ISIS is said to be a Relgion to so are we going to respect it?

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY, Well, I have a confession to make and to clear my self. Observing your reaction on the Akria debacles, I thought and concluded you were a strict religious person at least and even border line fanatic. So, here you have it, I was wrong and my assumptions were false. My bad!

          • saay7

            Nitricc:

            First they came after journalist (Ruth Simon), and when I defended her, nobody called me a journalist,
            Then they came after those who are not sufficiently pro-government, and when I defended them, nobody called me a dissident
            Then they came after Jehovah’s Witnesses, and when I defended them, nobody called me a Jehovah,
            Then they came after PFDJ politicians, and when I defended them, nobody called me a PFDJ politician
            Then they came after Pentecostals, and when I defended them, nobody called me Pente
            Then they came after the Tewahdo Chruch, and when I defended the patriarch, nobody called me Tewahdo
            Then they came after youth conscripts, and when I defended the youth, nobody called me a youth
            Then they came after underage Muslim students and when I defended them, I was called a Mullah, a Jihadist and terrorist.

            With gratitude to Marin Niemoller who wrote the famous “First they came” poem, written during World War II.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; there is benchmark I use to analyse things and behaviors. For instance, Most people say SAAY never loses his cool and control and that is mostly true. I can understand why people they say that despite what the Eritrean government has done to your family and to your loved once. You should have been always angry and go out all the way to lose your cool and your sanity, but you didn’t and that is where you earned your character and you become to be the man of character, in that regard i held you to the highest regard. However, when people say you never lost your cool and never been angry, that is not true. the reason i shared my false assumption about you is based on two occasions where you lost your cool and been agery. I call them a pressure point. One occasion was few years back when you were at it with Assena owner reported about your niece escaping from Eritrea Eritrea, i don’t exactly remember the real story but you were fuming. I understood your anger for obvious reason, nevertheless you were very angry. The second time i have seen you angrier was, about the event that unfolded in Akriya last year. so my take was, you were more angry about Akriya than ever I have witnessed on this forum from the day i have known you i.e. my conclusion that led me to assume falsely was that he must be strictly religious man who cares deeply about his religion. Again, i am wrong in my assumption, however i am just trying to come clean why I though that way. The people who say SAAY never lost his cool, they don’t know very well. Now you know.

          • saay7

            Selam Nitrric:

            You are a smart guy and you know what the two issues you mentioned as my trigger points have in common: victimizing children.

            When they arrested Aba Arre in 2001, a man who uses crutches to walk, I was sad (not angry) because I naively believed that they would release him within a month, tops one year. He is still in jail, almost 17 years later, assuming he is alive.

            Have you heard of the expression “gaslighting”? If not, look it up: sometimes PFDJ and its supporters are gaslighting the nation.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            You were lucky to have an organic chemistry teacher as a memorable moment in your own personal history on the subject.

            My memorable moment was a little earlier in time. It was at a “Qes Temaribet” reciting the Ha Hu, Abogida and Wengel.
            I interacted with the Qes teacher, because he was a friend of the family. I had seen him at our house.

            At one of those sessions of the noisy classes where everyone was reciting at the same time, I was asking the Qes teacher questions related to God.
            I don’t remember what the question I asked was, however, I remember to this day the slap to one side of my face that sent me to the ground from my squat position. It was a lesson I learned well.

            Years later, in the U.S, when a Philosophy Professor asked me to “Define God” for him, I refused.
            I am still standing.

            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear FM
            what kind of knowledge is there in religion that requires non believers to know ? I really don’t see the merit of saay solid assumption that atheists know nothing, that by itself is not true and he has zero interest to bring any supporting evidence. How can he know that non believers don’t have any knowledge of religion?

            First, it is religion that’s burning our world to ashes not atheism. No atheists is claiming to control state affairs, it is religion who is dividing humans across the globe.

            The fact that saay repeating the religious apologists views is simply beyond any reasonable point as pointless . What he is doing is putting a lighting metal rod on top of the Church to show his confidence in god , what good can get someone from repeating 2000 or 1400 years old dream by two men that originated from one tiny place still burning and murdering innocent people. I think people like saay should choose between a murdering ideology or a free human being.

          • Abi

            Hi blink
            Who are these two men you mentioned in your earth shattering comment?
            Please tell me more.

          • gebremedhin yohannes

            Selam Blink
            “it is religion that’s burning our world to ashes not atheism”
            really, Mao kill 45 million in his cultural revolution
            the mad dog Stalin kill his own people nearly 50 million
            Nazi burn 6 million during the Holocaust
            Pol Pot about 3 million people.
            can you tell me a single religious leader who kill in mass like your atheist mentors mentioned above.
            Gere

          • saay7

            Gebremedhin:

            👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

            The biggest lie atheists have told is that religion is the cause of most violence. All the people you mentioned —particularly Mao and Stalin—were atheists. I don’t want to start another front with my commie friends but all of them were socialists too (hitlers nazi party was National Socialists.)

            saay

          • Selam Sal,
            I did not follow how the discussion on Alamin’s interview touched off considerable ire against atheists. Do people here believe that Alamin and co. are atheists or something? And what is that boilerplate point that atheistic and communist Mao and Stalin committing massive violence trying to do? That atheists and commies are violent? Would not that be as simplistic as parading, say, the born again Bush and Blaire duo bombing Iraq to the dark age or or the the Saudi Kingdom destroying an entire people in Yemen or the Lord resistance army in Northern Uganda killing and maiming children as examples of religious people committing massive violence? This should not sound like defending communism or its variants but for a balance when we speak of violent commies we should also remember the considerable anti-war leftists movements in the twentieth and twenty first century. Also, when the fundamental new atheists like Hitchens, Dawkins and Sam Harris got shrill they received a good amount thrashing from solid scholars from the left like Terry Eagleton, Chomsky and Zizek.

            cheers

          • blink

            Dear ghebremedhin and saay
            I believe you will lose this number thing, even though MAO and Stalin did not kill for the sake of atheism. The motive why MAO and Stalin killed so many people was not atheist believe against religion. But since you put numbers I will in list some of the religious motivated killings at your disposal just to tell you that may be you need to not jump.

            The Crusades: 6,000,000
            Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
            French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
            Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
            Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
            Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
            Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
            Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
            Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
            Eighty Years’ War: 1,000,000
            Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
            Great Peasants’ Revolt: 250,000
            First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
            Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
            Iraq War: 500,000
            US Western Expansion (Justified by “Manifest Destiny”):20,000,000
            Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

            This number will be out of digits if you add the death due to religious lunatics opposition to condom and vaccines pls check catholic opposition to this slaughter vision.
            In total there were 193 million people dead due to religion.

          • Hope

            Selam All:
            Well,it is a Propaganda and exaggerating things and ” lying” at times, is part and parcel of Propaganda.

            The core message though is:
            Counter -attacking the fake and the lies about the Neo-Unionist” and the Agazian Movement Distracting Propaganda,which use lies and fake histories to confuse Eritreans.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Lucy is not Ethiopian? Oh…no….Please!Don’t. Console me… I am mourning now.. 🙁

  • Paulos

    Selam AT and Awatistas,

    It would be very hard to find a person who doesn’t love Cinema for it is entertaining to state the obvious. But some people would find something of an interest in it not only for its aesthetic nature but it conveys something deeper of the human condition as well. The greatness of any Cinema, however, depends not only on the script or the actors in it but most importantly on the film-maker or the director.

    One of the greatest film-makers in Hollywood history was the Greek-Turkish-American Elia Kazan who was shot to fame in the 1950s and 60s because of his notable films, “The Streetcar Named Desire”, “East of Eden”, “On The Waterfront” among others.

    As it happened, in 1999, something extraordinary happened. Hollywood was divided into two when the Acadamy Of Arts And Sciences decided to give Elia Kazan a life time achievement award for his life long contribution to American Cinema. The frail and physically weak 93 years old Elia Kazan was received with a cold shoulder at the ceremony when half of the people in the audience booed and refused to clap and give him a standing ovation as well. Almost 50 years ago something had happened.

    Elia Kazan and his life long friend the famous Play Wright Arthur Miller had seen it all. Not only they were best friends but when Arthur Miller wrote the script for “The Street Car Named Desire”, Elia Kazan made it into a movie and directed it. They both dated Marilyn Monroe, for instance.

    In the 1950s, when McCarthyism was at its highest and cracking down on perceived members of the Communist Party, Hollywood was a target. And it was then, Elia Kazan gave out the names of his friends to the investigating commette and Arthur Miller was on the list. Arthur Miller, however, refused to give names. Instead, he left for Salem, Massachusetts and wrote his famous play, “The Crucible.” The play is about the “Witch Hunt” that took place in Salem in the 1600s when young women were accused of being Witches and about those who falsely gave out names of their friends lest they get ostracized from the community and burn on the stick as well.

    • Selamat Denmarkino AArkey Professor Paulos,

      Ok, if Abdulkadir Hamdan is to Elia Kazan, would that make SaliH “Gadi” Johar is to Arthur Miller.
      Yeah man, The Crucible Witches and Warlocks was indeed a satire as good as Voltair’s Candid. I saw and enjoyed A. Miller’s Death of a Salesman awhile back. My date, back then, kept on saying melancholy after the show. I had to go home and look it up on the dictionary because I didn’t want her to somehow get a hold of my handset and discover that I did not know the meaning of the word. Meloncholy…

      tSAtSE

  • Selamat forum and Berhe Y,

    Le mnder know inye ende malchilew medferrr b’marigna aydefrm AwraGundan bleh tenagrk?

    Either google translate is not proficient in reading Arabic script or the translation by AT of this is in error.
    إذا ابتليتم فاستتروا If you are suffering then seek shelter; is what I am getting. Luck I will have my Mezgeb qalat soon very soon sooon sooon.

    Seriously though, this sounds like “WE TOLD YO DUMBASSS SO!” Is the dude in deep doo doo these dayz? I am just trying to figure out why the archive blast now AND, per google translate, “If you are suffering then seek shelter!” sounds like flip the script script insertion.

    Ewe tSAtSE aydiqsnn iyu dear Berhe_Y Aarkey. And it is your duty to serve as Minister of Cabinets in my administration. Haqeyy ‘ndie Denmarikino AArkey P^2?

    tSAtSE

    • Bayan Nagash

      Selam tSAtSe,

      The virtual auction transaction completed. Not only deservedly so that you will receive your Tigrinya dictionary, but I will autograph it on behalf of the author awate.com -:) I will mail it tomorrow or or Wednesday – I will make sure it is trackable, too. You’ve been a good sport on the virtual auction block. Let me take this opportunity to thank you on behalf of awate for donating, bro – I really appreciate your spirit on this, tSAtSe.

      Hawka,
      Beyan