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Ethiopia: The Seven Sleepers Of Ephesus Are Eight

The exact number of PFDJ members who have been calcified since the end of the 1980s is not known but there are a few of them. In fact their leader has turned into a pillar of salt.

The EPRDF is in a relatively better position, because it introduced an honorable exit for many of its veterans; in fact, TPLF recognized its elders and founders in the recent 40th anniversary celebrations. The EPRDF policy of “metekakat [renewal/ replacement]” of public servants and leaders is quite visible, except in a few cases where one is reminded of the biblical story of “The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus,” and its Quraanic equivalent “ahl al kahaf [The People of The Cave]” who woke up from their sleep in a cave after many generations, to discover that the religious persecution they fled from and were hiding to avoid has long stopped.

Recently Ethiopians and Eritreans discovered the sleepers were actually eight. The eighth sleeper just woke up and his name is Abbay Woldu, the governor of the Ethiopian state of Tigray.

Happy anniversary to the people of Tigray is in order; they earned the celebration with their blood, their heavy sacrifices.

Only the dishonest denies the development and economic strides that Ethiopia under the EPRDF is making. However, would anyone expect Ethiopia to be completely out of poverty and stand at par with the developed world in a decade or two? Not at all. But the country has firmly planted its feet on the road to prosperity. With a consistent development drive and a few decades more, there is a big chance that Ethiopians would be completely out of the African pit of poverty. So far, the country has almost made sure the degrading famine of the 1980s will not be repeated and that the image of bloated children crawling behind skeletal mothers, will be confined to libraries–kept in the archived films of the Jonathan Dimblebys of the world.

Both Ethiopia and Eritrea are criticized about their governance by many, though it is relative. Very, very relative. However, a single concept of good governance and a universally agreed upon measure doesn’t exist; judgments vary depending on credible, or amateurish indexes. To determine if a country has good or bad governance, people can take a yardstick of their choice and arrive at their own conclusion. But generally one can use the yardstick of the developmental model of banks (IMF, World bank, etc,) that focuses on economic institutions and public sector management and leadership, or the model of the political institutions (UN, EU, etc,) which focuses on democracy, election, human rights, freedom of expression, etc.

The African Union seems to be interested only in stability, while the armies of NGO’s have motives and goals equaling their numbers–the worst of them are those who are primarily interested in king-making. But for the people of the Horn of Africa (and many others), good governance is measured by the degree of adherence to “The Leave Me Alone Doctrine.” That is followed by the level of all types of security, and importantly, by the degree of justice (personal and communal) that the people enjoy.

Dedebit And Sahel

There are enough pulling elements within both parties who think the best governance practices should be sourced from Dedebit and Sahel, the TPLF and PFDJ reference points respectively. There is relatively less pull factor within the TPLF towards Dedebit, but the PFDJ is firmly anchored in the Sahel mentality and refuses to spring out of it. That is why the PFDJ runs Eritrea like a garrison.

That much is enough for the purpose of this article, which is supposed to explain the mindset of the eighth sleeper in the cave. It is the most serious threat facing Eritrean justice seekers who are alerted to remain paranoid and vigilant the minute they think of looking forward.

Three days ago, the TPLF celebrated its fortieth anniversary, which was a grand event fit for the occasion. Ethiopians, particularly the people of Tigray, deserve to celebrate. Unfortunately, judging by the views and belligerence of some veteran TPLF leaders, one is hard pressed to find differences between them and the PFDJ. It seems God created them from the same batch of clay.

The people of Eritrea and Tigray are proud of their struggle-era legacy and its noble ideals: selflessness, dedication, perseverance and courage. The two parties that led the struggle had a close relationship, though occasionally it was bumpy. Internal conflicts within the two parties existed, mainly on how to move forward. While in Ethiopia the forward-looking wing triumphed, it is the brutes and violent militants who came out victorious in Eritrea. In Ethiopia, the vanquished wing licked its wounds and was forced to adopt. Those who rejected change continued to play in the margins and raise issues–covert and overt threats–mainly targeting Eritrea. Alas, they include decorated veterans of the struggle era.

In Eritrea, members of the various vanquished wings are either rotting in jails or have disappeared from the face of the earth. No one is allowed to even play in the margins; one has four choices: rot in jail, disappear, be exiled, or live like a puppy on the laps of Isaias. There are prominent personalities that any Eritrean can name in all four categories.

Eritreans consider the Ethiopian vanquished wing a risk to their country. That wing includes those who openly campaign to re-conquer Eritrea, to disintegrate it, or to perpetually humiliate it. To many, this might be considered a perfect example of paranoia that inflicts Eritreans. Sometimes it’s not.

In his speech on the fortieth anniversary of the TPLF, Governor Abbay Woldu had this to say:

“During the 17 years of popular struggle, since the sea of reactionaries was wide, there was no one who didn’t attempt to annihilate this [TPLF] democratic organization… [Derg, EPLF, EDU and a host of others are mentioned] Jebha, supported all reactionaries to annihilate us, but in the end, it fell in [the fire], was charred, and disappeared.”

Was there a need for such bitterness and grudges carried for almost four decades to be mentioned by a statesman, in a celebratory event, even if it was completely true? Forget the Eritrean “Jebha” that the TPLF interfered to liquidate in its own country, in collaboration with today’s rulers of Eritrea; wouldn’t a show of magnanimity elevate the stature of the governor of Tigrai? Isn’t it time that such speeches, that are heavy on “Cadre Vernacular,” are better left to college activism, and history is better left to scholars, research centers, and universities? Why would a statesman speak like a radical student activist heavily sprinkling his speech with bygone terminologies?

In a recent Facebook entry, an Ethiopian intellectual reminded his leaders the following: “…our attempt to bring (the values) of Dedebit to Mekele should not take Mekele back to Dedebit…

Dedebit and Sahel are the springboards that the TPLF and EPLF launched their struggle from. Both people hold those places in high esteem. However, they don’t want the environment that was prevalent in these places during the armed struggle, to intrude, or be reintroduced to their independent countries, in their civilian life.

For Eritreans, the military rule and the ruthless security apparatus of Sahel has been successfully transplanted in “independent Eritrea” though the people hoped it will be relegated to history books and museums. At least Ethiopians are talking openly about it, warning their people of over indulgence in adulating those places, fearing the risks that old wounds would be poked and made to fester, and the path to normalcy would be hampered.

The TPLF crowned its struggle with victory, and it has a lot of exhibits that shows its achievements. There is no need for cheap jabs here and there. It’s not wise, or reconciliatory, to expect Ethiopians who were part of the Derg, EPRP, EDU, or other groups, to feel ashamed forever. Does such a spiteful speech characterize a victor or a bitter loser? Magnanimity is the weapon of the wise. For justice seeking Eritreans, the way the cadre-minded governor described the incident of the early 1980s is bothersome.

If the quote above was shown to any Eritrean or Ethiopian, they will not be able to tell whether it was uttered by Isaias or Abbay Woldu! Both describe the historical events in identical ways–delivery and content. And knowing the strategic interest of Ethiopia in Eritrea, that attitude is bad. People of the region (let alone their politicians and leaders) know that the terms “Jebha” and “Sheabia” are loaded; they carry other divisive connotations, and the TPLF knows that very well. Tickling that raw nerve and arousing it is a favorite pastime of both cadres of the PFDJ and some TPLF. It is a pity the late PM Meles didn’t drill in them enough wisdom regarding the issue, but then, maybe they were so thick headed to learn!

At times like this, Eritreans, as they wish for peaceful relations with their neighbors, pose a critical question: is Abbay Woldu likely to be comfortable with an Eritrea that is governed by any other Eritrean party except the PFDJ, or its clone?

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  • AMAN

    Dear Awates and readers
    Sometimes I do not understand all that brohuaha by different partisans
    heaped on me. I didn’t say this side is right and the other side is wrong
    from the beginning.
    All I said has been trying to express or demonstrate was that
    ANY DISAGREEMNET CAN BE BROUGHT TO THE DISCUSSION TABLE
    AND A POLITICAL ENGAGEMENT CAN BE FRAMED NO MATTER HOW
    BID OR VARIED THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS ARE OR CAN BE……
    is the central core of my message and what I have been advocating and
    thriving for.
    I never made any decsions for or against of what supposed to be the outcome
    of the descions of people. Never been against one or two system and existance.
    My whole point upto this point is that
    Though there are of course other alternatives to solve the impasse with the governing body
    (like armed struggle or insurrection which I do not support ) I believe in the end any change
    achieved thru this method brings more political mayhem and uphevals than the one achieved
    thru democratic political struggle was/is the central message of my point.
    For the issue whether I am for or against the one or the other is something that comes only
    after the democratic engagement and when ideas openly flow in a transparent system and
    mechanism. And at that time like everybody else I have the inalienable right to choose whichever
    I want and vote to whomever I want.
    *One thing at a time.
    Otherwise I don’t have to be forced to give my ideas like a fool to whomever is behind a screen
    behind a pen name which even he/she is afraid to come about and state his points openly if I
    feel to.
    *So no need to pre judge others !
    But as for my points that I have been advocating for , I can see today that they have millions
    of supporters from both camps of the divide and majority others.
    * So need for me to worry or fear about my being outspoken.
    Thankyou,
    Yours
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  • Saleh Johar

    Gerhi wo Gerhi lbbu! I am yearning for some entertainment, smart entertainment not the crude type. If you can offer that, I have a few questions (consider them challenges) to prove your assertion.

    1. What makes you think awate will delete your comment?
    1.1 Do you really believe what you claim?
    1.2 Is it because your comment is earth shattering, so insightful, so intelligent that we will fail to debunk it so the easiest way is to delete it?

    2. Can you show me where is it that I (Saleh Johar) “idolized Meles and his evil mission for Eritrea”? (Bonus for you to write another silly comment: I respect the Meles for his intelligence and respectfulness, and for what he did for his country, I feel jealous for not having a leader who is concerned about his country and the welfare of his people]

    2.1 Did you learn what “mercenaries” mean? The dictionary won’t bite you,try to use it sometimes. Then you would not clean your nose with your fingers–because you would have learned the word handkerchief, or tissue paper.
    2.2 How many Eritreans do you represent behind your nick to make a statement on behalf of “real Eritreans”? If you represent the two people you just had coffee with, I apologize, to you they might have seemed ten battalion force or a population of an entire wereda.

    Disclaimer, when I said entertainment, I didn’t mean I expected something humorous from you–you are as stiff as Andi Hedmo, humorless. I entertained myself enough replying to your comment. See! You hate me so much you gave me a chance to entertain myself (please do not believe the last sentence)

    • Gherhi

      Saleh Johar, I know you meant those questions to Michael Solomon because he is the one who made all those allegations. I hope he replies to your questions. I am curious to learn what he has to say too. I tried defending you too against Michael Solomon’s wild allegations but probably not adequately.

  • Gherhi

    Michael Solomon, somehow, I was misunderstood when I said I can’t connect with my sister. I was talking about on the internet, you know sending pictures and documents. Even chatting on Facebook messenger or any instant messaging. I agree though that in terms of phone lines, it is not too bad for how so far behind Eritrea is relative to the rest of the world.

    Your second paragraph, I am not sure I understand you completely. I am a proponent of the idea that real change must and can only come from within Eritrea. My ultimate wish is for someone to kill IA and then all the generals to kill each other off on a power struggle with little collateral damage on innocent Eritreans. Once they all die, then the justice seekers can step in and march our country towards prosperity and freedom, peace, justice, you name it. All we can do from abroad is weaken PFDJ’s financial assets and also damage its image in the international community, which we have done effectively already. Isaias is like a pestilence and nobody wants to be near him except a couple nut heads like him. Even Qatar is slowly walking away. Now Ethiopia and Djibouti will become an integrated economy and Eritrea’s coast line will be mesteyi gemel just like the prophetic Melles Zenawi said years ago. Wedi berad doesn’t care. He is avenging all the years that he was discriminated against for not being full Eritrean. Of course, I don’t believe this and I don’t advocate it but that is in his head and he instilled all this fear and mistrust among the Eritrean people just so he can cover up his real identity. He never answered it and there are no Eritreans who claim to be relatives of IA. I digress.

    As far as Awate.com is concerned, I don’t necessarily agree with them on everything but they are as patriotic an Eritrean website as there is. In fact, too patriotic for my taste and that is where most of my grievances arise. So you can’t accuse them of being sellouts. By the way, they posted your comment. They are tolerant of everything except vulgar language.

    MLLT and mahber andnet kaa zibie zibelo’o nay tinti tarki temtsie. Kab ta shillu selam nska tigedid.

    • selam

      Shillu in Tigrina is i guess shermuta , some thing like that , och ? what is that for ?
      Is that how you want debate with me ?

      • ‘Gheteb

        No, Shillu means a squirrel in English. A small animal with a fluffy tail and somewhat related to the rodents. So in way can one relate that cute animal to the vulgar S word in Tigrigna, BTW, how good is your mastery of the Tigrigna language?

        • selam

          No that is not , shillu is normally given to a girl and it is as what i have described you idiot,If it means a squirrel go tell your mother and sister lets hear what they say ,I have asked a well known tigrina writer , and he told me exactly as what i described you moron. Shillu is extremely offensive .

          It is quite misfortunate that awate.com allow this word to rain on me , while they ban words like agame, with its great historical back ground.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Listen, I offered you the definition of the word Shillu as I understand it and as I knew the word and what it meant. And NO my English-Tigrigna dictionary doesn’t have Shillu as a Tigrigna word for a prostitute. I mean Shillu is not even listed as one of the synonyms of Sxxxxta. That being the case, now tell me why are you hurling INSULTS here and calling me “You IDIOT” and “you MORON”? I don’t care who you have consulted, a “well known tigrina writer” or an obscure expert in Tigrigna lexicography. You have not provided a source by your “well known tigrina writer” and I am challenging you to provide your sources from him or her stating that shillu is not an animal but something else like the vulgar Tigrigna S word. References, please! I mean something verifiable and not He said that, I heard that, someone in Adi Qontsi told so and so about it. NO. I am talking about verifiable references that is publicly accessible!

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam,
            I have a feeling you asked someone for whom Tigrinya is a second-language. Shillu is not not bad, I speak Tigrinya and I know it’s used to describe someone who sneaks undetected, like a child who disappears from where you left him. It is a squirrel. Could it be that the guy you asked have an Amharic accent, an Amiche? Because there is a close Amharic word that sounds like Shillu, maybe he mistook it for that !

          • Gherhi

            Thank you Mr. Johar. That is exactly how I understand the meaning of the word too. I cannot for the life of me understand why Amanuel Hidrat is twisting this word and the same with Hayat Adem. These two are the seniors around here and they pretend like they know everything but they don’t even know the exact usage of this word in Tigrinya. I wonder where they grew up? I grew up in Asmara and it is profusely used with virtually no negative connotation as in someone calling ‘ata wedi rigmti.’ Literally that sounds awful but most people don’t take that a serious personal insult.

          • selam

            I have read it from Tigirna mesgebe kalat , you can find it also find it in
            ዘመናዊ መዝገበ ቓላት ትግርኛ ብተክአ ተስፋይ ሕታም ፩፱፱፱( 1999) ገጽ ፪፰፪ ( page 282) ትርጉሙ-
            ሽሉ ቅ(ቅጽል) – ንጓል ኣንስተይቲ ጥራይ ዝዝውተር – ገዛ ገዛ እት ዘውር – ዘይወረጃ – ታሰሙ : ዝዋሮ -ዝብል ትርጉም ተዋሂብዎ ኣሎ

            I do not understand why you want to define this word from your own book.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Gherhi,

            Mr. Gherhi, I am not giving you the asmarino language meaning – a mixed of all rainbow languages (Italian, arabic, amharic…etc). I am giving you strictly the meaning of a typical language of the rural areas, which the urbanites deridedly or floutingly call it the “cheqar danga” language. Keep in mind the bearers of the root of the language “tigrigna” are the residents of the rural sections of our society. I grew up in the rural areas and central region of the the tigrigna speaking people (you could find out to whom I am referring to). No offense of whatsoever.

            Besides the aforementioned truth, there is another truth also, and that is, there are different vocabularies spoken at different sections of the tigrigna people, even the same word with different meaning. You couldn’t even consider that possibilities. Gherhi, before accusing me of twisting words, It would have been better for you to refer to many “old and new dictionaries” available in the public domain. I am not talking about the “skunis” language what my friend SGJ always referring too, to the asmarino language, I am talking the typical language of the bearers of the language, the country side language.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

    • Hayat Adem

      Gherhi,
      Selam is right. Shillu is very offensive Tigrinya and very demeaning and anti-feminine. I request for your future restraint not to use it on Selam or any other female. Apology to Selam would be more appropriate.

      • ‘Gheteb

        The issue was not whether the word Shillu is offensive or not, but for Selam to provide if the word meant the vulgar Tigrigna S word. By the way, if you have found Shillu to be offensive, has it occurred to you that insults such as “IDIOT” and “MORON” are very demeaning. While you are calling on Gheri to refrain from using such demeaning words and that I agree you are right, here is where your double standard becomes utterly hypocritical. Why did you FAIL tp call on Selam to refrain from using such demeaning and offensive words such as “IDIOT” and “MORON” ???? That is hypocrisy on stilts, if you ask any fair minded person!

        • Hayat Adem

          The issue is whether Shillu is offensive or not. It is. And unless the the Gherhi has something else in mind, and explain that as an excuse, Selam is not required to convince a third person on definition of the word while she exactly knows what it meant and felt offended that it was used against her. The offender is there, and the offended too. Why would you feel entitled to be convinced about the meaning of a word (that you were not a direct party to) before a wrong is rectified?

          • ‘Gheteb

            I don’t feel entitled or otherwise here. I offered my understanding here and for that I was insulted. But here you are selectively applying your indignation. And since when is calling a person an IDIOT and a MORON became a compliment. That where your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven! Go back Re-read what my first exchange with Selam was and spare me your subjective analysis here!

          • selam

            I am sorry i called you the two words (idiot and moron ) .But you was supporting Gherhi by telling me the word is the same as squirrel. I thought you was trying to out smart me in tigrina while you purposefully insulting me with Gherhi. which is not nice . Squirrel in Tigrina is MUXUXULAY , i just find it out now. My Tigrinna is not perfect as my Tigre , Bilen and Arabic .
            I do comment on the Arabic version of Eritrean websites and no one has called me names .

            Any way lets drop this once for all.

          • ‘Gheteb

            No, why should I drop it. I offered you what I understood the word Shillu to mean and it does not mean to me nor to my English-Tigrigna dictionary a prostitute/harlot or Sxxxxta as you have claimed. I was not supporting Gherhi nor was I trying to outsmart you in Tigrigna. Why would I want to do that? Still, I am telling you that I was not supporting Gherhi nor have I exchanged any comments with him before. As a person who has been demanding to make your claims based on FACTS, how can you say I was trying to help him??? Yes, where is your FACTS! I am a very humble and fair person, who has defended you here in this forum when everyone was piling on you and here you trying to guilt trip me. No. It doesn’t work on me. I know both Shillu and Mutsutsulay are related animals with the former being a carnivore and the latter being a herbivore. Please, check your English-Tigrnigna dictionary and be honest that the word Shillu doesn’t mean a prostitute or as you claimed it be Sxxxxta. Honesty and coming clean is what I am asking for and not mere apologies offered perfunctorily!!

          • selam

            I have said sorry for the two words and i hope you accept them.
            Now i do not want to debate on the meaning of the word with you or with Gherhi. I take it as offensive and that is it. You want me to believe on your terms of the word and i do not accept that is all. I do not have my own dictionary and that should be clear for you that i did ask people and i have found the meaning.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam,
            You don’t even have to say sorry for using the two words. Idiot and Moron are technical terms that can be used in reference to bad judgement. He is just crying foul and victim while he is the one he needs to say sorry. But he sounds like half baked guy who brags too much about holding his ground: and not yielding to a woman. Selam, you and I are totally of different world in our political views. On this, I am with you. Shillu is a typical Tigrigna gender-pointer word. The closest equally sexist word from the other gender is “womanizer”. That kind of word against a woman is double-negative because the level of sensitivity women and men have to such stuff is totally different. That may be why we haven’t coined a word called “manizer”.

          • sara

            actually gerhi was the one who said “s” word and selam by mistake replied (wrote) Gheteb.
            stay and stand on your ground

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Gheteb,

          “Shulu” is a demeaning word. Culturally speaking, it means an out going woman with men with a suspicion of wrong doing. So it is not healthy to use it for any purposes in this forum or in any occasion for that matter. It has bad connotations.
          regards,

          • ‘Gheteb

            I have not said that it was demeaning or not Mr. Hidrat nor have I said that it should be used here. Can you show me where I have said it should be used in this forum. Why are you peeling off on a tangent and not simply addressing issues that was in the spirit of my response here. Go back and check what my understanding of the word “Shillu” is from my first exchange with Selam. I even offered a reference. For all that I was insulted that I was an “IDIOT” and a “MORON”. Then, why are you reacting in such a kneejerk manner proffering superfluous explanation????????

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Gheteb,

            I didn’t say that you have used the word “shillu” in your comment. But I do know that you have given your own version as to the meaning of “shillu” in your earlier comment, 14 hours ago. In that comment you told us “shillu means squirrel in English”. What I know squirrel in tigrigna is “mutsutslai”. Therefore in my comment, I was giving the meaning of the word “shillu” addressing to you and by extension to the forum members. That is all. What makes you to react using unnecessary words. I am not happy, anyone to insult you as “idiot” and a “moron”. That is why I am always imploring to those who are prone to “derogatory languages” to stop it, and have a decent engagement focusing on the issue at hand. So cool down my friend.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • ‘Gheteb

            No, Amanuel, you have not called on the person who called an idiot and a moron. Please, check your response and let us be honest here. My question is: You called on your comment about the use of the word Shillu but not about the words MORON and IDIOT. The question is why?? If you find both offensive, then why did you fail to call on those who have hurled the demeaning insults of moron and idiot in the same comment you responded to me! Let us be fair here and call a spade a spade.

  • Fnote Selam

    Dear Tes,

    Believe me, I really tried to understand the full meaning of your analogy, but I have to admit, I only understand part of it and I don’t want to comment back without having full understating. If you could, please elaborate more.

    Thank you,

    FS.

  • selam

    I read some of these posts. What struck me was the tone of the discourse. They lacked civility. In fact, it seemed that the writers enjoyed verbally abusing each other. A fellow expressed an opinion, others viciously attacked. He would be called every name under the sun, all in the name of expressing views on Eritrean politics or our neighbors politics!

    One would think that those so desecrated would feel offended, but, no, the people on this particular forum took turns savaging each other’s characters. It was as if these people alternated the roles of sadists and masochists; they, apparently, enjoyed being attacked, enjoyed pain (masochists) and enjoyed inflicting pain on other people (sadists). The hostility and fear folks directed at one another were beyond belief.

    SO here i apologize to any one who feels i am bad mouth and idiot

  • selam

    we should tell to the young generation , that there is no solution from running. We should tell how life in refugee is , and even i life in Europe is just not that much good.

    Some of the Eritrean activists are the same as the credit agency (S&P 500 and Moody of american financials of rating information) they do not give the warring signals . They are pulling the young Eritreans to the sea as if there is heaven once you are out from Eritrea. They have to tell the truth that the main couse is HGDEF and they should fight in Eritrea ,before they use the bad lack of our brothers for political gains or some thing other.

    • michael solomon

      Dear Selam – beautifully said I would only add that these are not activists for change they are mahber andnet mercenaries. They do not have any shame or do not feel sorry for the suffering of our young and best that are leaving the county to misery!! There is a saying back home ab adeka meeat-see darga geeatt!!
      the so called opposition are so intoxicated by katikala jealousy for power they can not distinguish right from wrong -by creating havoc such as ours I guess they are being paid by the “good for nothing human rights groups” or “bottom less NGOs”.
      Hawka/i Michael

    • Fnote Selam

      Selam,

      I agree with you that running away is not solution at all. Too bad for me (probably many others), we only realized that after we run away. As such, it become very hard for me to preach that to others (including my brothers and relatives who were/are in NS). Hopefully, people with higher moral ground would push for that and convince the youth that running away won’t solve Eri’s problems.

      Best,

      FS.

    • Gherhi

      Why are you saying this sitting in a comfortable sofa on your iPad somewhere in the West? You hypocrite (to use TWR). How do you claim to be writing from Eritrea? I try to connect with my sister there everyday and it is an absolute hassle and you seem to be living in a heave in Eritrea. That is total BS. There is absolutely no way you are writing from Eritrea.

      I don’t totally disagree with your point there about fighting PFDJ inside Eritrea but we have a young Eritrean generation who doesn’t know who their real enemy is. You are case in point, utterly confused. IA and his enablers have done an incredible job to make them believe that they are not really their enemies. They just make them feel like they wrote bad policies with good intent. That is far from the truth. This is done deliberately by IA to make Eritrea barren and people-less. Please quote one single activist who encouraged or paved the way for the youth to leave Eritrea. I know you can’t find any you hypocrite. The one and only source of our current predicament is IA and PFDJ 100%, no ifs and buts.

      Now I am going to call you Asmara Rose!

      • selam

        Ok lets take this slowly and surly .
        One give me your number in where ever you are i will call your number using Eritrean number and you hear me talk to you. is that what ou want or , You have minimum knowledge of the communication era to know how some one can have internet access in Asmara and yet you can not call your sister from where ever you are. what are you thinking , ?
        Three , i live in Asmara and can afford to live in Asmara hotel eating what i want and drive a car what the rent car can offer by such standard i can tell , i can live 2 years with out working for dime. Now you will blame me so like gual IA or what ?

        Fourth , you want to defend some activists , these who campaign for you to run away from Eritrea so that you will get rich by a click or you will be safe for your life. Do you think I am ignorant or you think it is impossible for any Eritrean to know all the work. You must be dreaming .

        as for the Asmara Rose , give it to me , i will use it at a face value

        • Gherhi

          For number one, there are many other ways you can prove you are in Asmara. Attach a picture or video, then we will believe you. Number two – you must be the only person who thinks Eritrea has reached the communication era where the rest of the world is because most people I know in Asmara hear of the news in their very back yard from me, far away in the the States. Number three – if you are living the way you describe, then you are one selfish rotten human being and that proves your hypocrisy because if you care about Eritreans as much as you claim, then you would share what you have and live very modestly like the rest of the people there. Number four – I left Eritrea very soon after independence because even at the very young age that I was then, I could see that there was no future there for any hardworking person except slavery and I do not like to be enslaved by guerrillas and monkeys like IA and Yemane. See, some of us are smarter than you.

          • selam

            Sharing is a personal thing and i do share with my relatives not with your sister even though i really would like to help. And what i told you about the life is that , it means i can do every thing about the personal thing with my money.
            Second you know you have very little about communication and how it works so lets close that .

            You left after independence and you was very young , good so who took you then , is not he or she lack any blood from Eritrea.

            Any way i do not believe your understanding that you could read the future of HGDEF at the young age in 1991 or 94 , 95, 96, even 97.

            so lets just do not change the debate , please tell me what are you going to do with the military help you get from weyane.

          • Gherhi

            Selam aka Asmara Rose and also known as Sophia Tesfamariam the witch. My iPhone tells me that it is 2:48 am Asmara time and you are up somewhere in Asmara where there is internet and writing to us at will. You hypocrite lady!

            First of all, ‘young’ is a relative term. Maybe to me 40 is young and maybe I was 45 when I left. But the point of the matter is that I wasn’t the only one. Let me correct you also. I didn’t say HIGDEF, the organization wasn’t created when I left. It was EPLF and I saw their brutality and savageness and I concluded there was no future there for me, yep at a young tender age. Hey not all of us are young and stupid like you. A lot of people said to us that ‘we were clapping our hands for IA only for him to turn around and make us cry very shortly there after.’ There are thousands of people who foresaw this particularly people who knew IA’s sadistic nature. If you are truly in Asmara, take a quick picture now and upload for us. It is quite easy to do. You will see an icon at the left corner of your text box, click on it and upload your picture.

            From what I see in you, you are not a caring person otherwise, you would be in agelglot helping your poor brothern and sisters but here you are in Asmara Palace in the Jacuzzi with some colonel smoking cigarettes. That is your dream. You ain’t getting it. You will be here in the West with us until IA leaves our country in shame. Wedi Medhin Melese (Berad).

            Anyway, what is your point? Who is our enemy? IA or PFDJ or both? If you answered one or both, what are you doing there? Fight them for the sake of your people. You claim to love us so much. You are even staying until the wee hours for our sake. You hypocrite lady. Go to bed soon otherwise the rooster will roost. It is almost 3 am in Asmara. What’s for breakfast, fritata? Belait couch potato.

          • selam

            I am convinced the whole HGDEF stracture is enemy of the Eritrean people , i really do believe that.
            at the time you ran out of eritrea and give our people to dictator then now your name should be what…….
            About my bed time that is not really your concern .
            Second if you have any knowledge any big secrets are done in big hotels now a days , so take that back .

            If IA and HGDEF are dissolved from Eritrea i will for sure meet some of awate.com people in open air with my name and smile that i will do.

            Stop this insulting words , because i am not buying it.

            About my personal behavior that is not for sell today .

      • tes

        Selam Gherhi,

        Spot on, thank you for realizing that lady is a hypocrite. She is on a mission. She might be be right that she is writing from Asmara (AT can detect her) but if we read ever line on what she writes and for what she advocates, it is not that much difficult to detect her.

        In a number of posts, serious posts that target PFDJ or discussions that expose, she jumps and tries to divert the focus. More than that, she lived in foreign countries (probably in US) and now she might be in a kind of national service (on volunteer base). I know some of these people. Their mission is to get the link that exist between the inside and outside.

        More than that, they have additional mission that they seem as if they are creating a link between the opposition in the diaspora and the now growing inside movements. Actually, I have a suspect that the link is artificial. PFDJ has leaked to that network and is doing it till he gets all necessary information. Those youth who seem with great achievements by creating a link and posting some posters and distribution of pamphlets are becoming under complete control of PDFJ security networks.

        Let’s bisect selam for the moment.

        1. She claims that she is Bilen and she can’t speak Tigrigna well.

        2. She claims that she doesn’t have religion, which is very rear in Bilen society and especially women. I know there are some friends from Bilen who almost changed into non-believers but this is only because of philosophy. All were ardent religious followers before. How can selam in here young age claim that she is a non-religious lady.

        4. She claims that she is a data analyst. She might be right reading her recent data report about the crimes she claims committed in Ethiopia. Justice seekers might have read that report but it is very rare to use such documents to blame Ethiopia. The reason is, Eritrea is also worse in such reports. This makes it easy to speak about our own problems than others.

        5. PFDJ at this time as an international campaign to deceive youth. The worse can happen against PFDJ is to disobedience and to the maximum war and crimes. PFDJ has long ago called the youth to take power by force as they claim that NO POWER can be handed easily. They say, “we took power by force and take it by force.” Many military leaders spoke to me like that when I was in Eritrea and hence they call youth to stay home and fight if they are not ok with.

        6. She hates critizing any kind against those criminals within the military rank.

        7. Her constant argument, “hey are pulling the young Eritreans to the sea as if there is heaven once you are out from Eritrea” is typical PFDJ and YPFDJ propaganda.

        Look to her recent words:

        A. “Most opposition groups who are headed by old men who lost their boat , still try to twist the young generation to kneel to their cave idea.These kind of people are prolonging the rule of issias.

        So if these people , i mean the old with bold head and decayed teeth have any moral , they should just back off and give the leadership to young generation in order to mobilize the Eritrean people.”

        B. “And whether we like it or not the Eritrean military will have a greater say on transferring the transitional government to a civilian government after IA . Any one who misjudge the military is foolish and ignorant at best.”

        The list is infinite.

        Ok, people might think that I am simply reacting her according Newton’s law. This hypocrite lady is not shy to dictate us to accept military rule, call the justice seekers old, decayed teeth and useless and so on. Anyway, Due to time constraint, I will not expose her further but she is simply a YPFDJ on a mission.

        tes

        • selam

          Hi Tesfe welcome but we have agreed on one point that i and you should debate on points not saying may be this and may be that.

          I do not need HGDEF in my life and if i can tell my story at this time , i am sure you will be surprised but that should be to another day.

          what makes you the sole number one opposition to write once name in white paper and other name in scrap paper , who are you to say this and that about people’s voice ? Tesfe please i do not want to take our disagreement personal , lets debate and convince each other on how to dissolve the IA regime , in a better way .

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Gherhi:
        There is one possibility that she would be writing from Eritrea, she is in the president’s office as everyone seems to work from the president’s office and equipped with high speed access that is available for the few PFDJ like Yemane and Yemane

        • selam

          Have you ever think befor ,what you want write ?

          I am just confused

        • Gherhi

          Semere, yep I thought about that. That is probably the most likely scenario. For all we know, she could be IA’s daughter but I don’t know her name. I don’t envy her.

  • selam

    When i stated my idea , if you read all of them , The current opposition groups are not capable of doing all the things i mentioned.

    This flag issue is just very small thing and they know it is not a good point but they want to be recognized and you can not blame some one who want attention not to shout loud.

    The help they get from Ethiopia is even the ugliest one so i do not need to go down to their road and tell points that does not matter to the eritrean people.

    Who is responsible for dragging the Eritrean youth ? you need to take in to account the failer of HGDEF in creating a democratic system even if we are under war .

    What i stated was the basic thing that any group or any political parties has to take.

    About TPLF , i have stated TPLF does not want a democratic Eritrea and HGDEF do like the current situation to crash our dream for a democratic government.

    I have stated any change if possible is from Eritrea not from dedebit or america.

  • Hope

    Michael,
    Well said bro!
    Let those toothless ones challenge what you just said!

  • The points you mentioned above are some of the situations that show the difference between the two countries. In the one case we cannot speak at all about democracy and its components, while in the other, we can say that democracy is yet to be fulfilled to everybody’s satisfaction.

  • passer_by

    There is no question that the PFDJ’s (Issaias) rule is destroying Eritrea, but to gloss over the EPRDF leadership specially under Meles as one best thing that happened to Ethiopia in years is simply hallow and BS. No amount of excuses or metrics of development can absolve a leader or a party, in this case Meles and his cohorts, that committed GENOCIDE against the poor and humble people of Annuak and Ogaden. None whatsoever – no matter how one slice it or dice it.

  • Amde

    Oh,
    I must have missed v.5 and v.6.
    Ok … make it quick.

  • selam

    I am sure if we all young generation from both sides (ethiopia and Eritrea) can have a great space in our political life . I am sure we could have in a better shape by now.

    But here in Eritrea the sign of suffering and the temperament is live and growing. The Eritrean people believe that they are against all odds like it was in 1960th. This is the result of continues campaign by HGDEF , they control every thing.

    So my question is, can the Eritrean people blamed for their own suffering especially these at the receiving end ?
    I disagree on the notion that the young generation is brave and selfless and i can prove by looking at their suffering in the refugee camp.
    So why is that we got scummed to libya and israel only to find our self in a more fruitless journey .
    can it be that hard here in Eritrea if we try to dissolve the regime ? can it be that hard than to be on the mercy of rashaida and others ? We can not give our answers by looking to some luckiest who have made it to Europe and America. I am not even talking about these very few like tesfe. I am talking about the so many young Eritreans in Italy and other european countries who are wasting their time just looking to the screen.

    Take in to account every young Eritreans who are in Europe and America are not buying the opposition’s menu. They do not see their participation on how to bring change in Eritrea and that should worry us.

    Some people still do not understand the word compromise in politics , they still want what ever they want through any means , that is a big disadvantage for the Eritrean people to root out IA.

    Most opposition groups who are headed by old men who lost their boat , still try to twist the young generation to kneel to their cave idea.These kind of people are prolonging the rule of issias.

    So if these people , i mean the old with bold head and decayed teeth have any moral , they should just back off and give the leadership to young generation in order to mobilize the Eritrean people.
    What ever happens in Eritrea it is not going to be like Libya , Egypt and other countries , i just do not believe that. So what ever and when ever the opposition has chance to talk to the Eritrean people , they should have a great ground work here in Eritrea, because it is here that the fight of ideas will play out. And whether we like it or not the Eritrean military will have a greater say on transferring the transitional government to a civilian government after IA . Any one who misjudge the military is foolish and ignorant at best.
    The time the opposition want to dismantle the Eritrean cohesiveness , that is the time they will lose to some evil general in Eritrea.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Now, let us say that by some magical means anyone and everyone who opposes HGDEF agreed and decided and elected you ( Selam from the young generation) to be their leader. Of course, this includes “these [old] people with bold head and decayed teeth .. with their cave idea….” . What FIVE steps would you immediately take to expedite the downfall of HGDEF? I want you to also tell those who have just elected you as their leader how as a leader you were tested in a crisis ( eg. your recent spat(fight) with tesfe) and made sure you “did not lose the boat” ???

      • selam

        Tell me why you choose me ? is there any thing you have experienced a leadership by a magical thing ?
        I am data analyst person , I have zero skill on confronting people by words and i am not good on throwing words , so i am not qualified on your box. ,Most crises big or small are a big opportunity for many leaders but most leaders do not use the date and could not read what that data says. I am very good at data analysis and on creating a flat form based on technology . I have the ability and skill to harness data and create advertising websites as well as communication websites. So i am not qualified , I give it to you .
        And again i am just expressing my observation on the whole Eritrean crises from Inside and out side.

        • ‘Gheteb

          What I said was in a hypothetical situation and the reason I chose you is because you are expressing the failure of leadership and you have pointed that for the umpteenth time here. I don’t see you using data expressing your ideas here. What I see are words, words and more words you are using to “express your observation on the whole Eritrean crisis from inside and out side”. BTW, I have never heard that being a “a data analyst person” is an obstacle to being a leader. By your own admission, it can be an asset. Here ” most leaders do not use the date(sic) [data] and could not read what the data says. Bingo! Okay, I submit that you are not good at “confronting people using words” and you are ” not good on throwing words”. Then, use those DATA, I mean those damn DATA to tell us what you would do differently if you were to become the leader of the anti-HGDEF camp . Note here, the last sentence is an emphatic conditional and hypothetical!

          • selam

            I have told you , i am not qualified to be any thing of that you said .Because some one who have skills for collecting data and analyzing them does not qualify to be a leader.
            I will give you the data after that you drive the bus and tell the people where you want take them, What about that.

            85% of data analyst are not good on communication, they are the least speakers in front of crowds. They are the first to stumble in front of people.

          • ‘Gheteb

            You said: “someone ..who have skills for collecting data and analyzing them does not qualify to be a leader”. Are you kidding me? That doesn’t make a diddly of sense. Are you saying that simply to dodge and evade the challenge in front of you??? And also you are here claiming that “85% of data analyst are not good on communication”. Granted that you are with this “85%” cohort, let me then ask you this: It is a fact that you have been communicating in this forum with other participants. If you have been able to do that, I don’t see the reason why you can’t use this very communication you have been using to tell us what you would do differently than those who have been leading the anti-HGDEF camp. I hope you are not going to tell me that what you have so far been doing here at this very forum is not “communication”. I am telling you that it is one form of communication and here I am not asking you to go in front of a live audience and deliver a speech. Just in this forum where no one ‘sees’ you in case you might say that you have a crowd phobia and anxiety delivering a public speech.

          • selam

            I am sure i will have much to add but here are the things i think are very important. If I get the chance you offered me. Still i am open to have ideas from

            Ema, Tesfe , Kim , Hayat , Saleh , Tes ,kokhob. Gheteb , T.T, Hope and even my brothers and sisters from Ethiopia like Abinet.

            1. If democracy is to work, citizens must not only participate and exercise their rights. They must also observe certain principles and rules of democratic conduct.At this time we are lacking by miles.People must respect the law and reject violence.

            2. Nothing ever justifies using violence against your political opponents, just because you disagree with them. In that we are being used by some corners for their political gain.

            3. Every citizen must respect the rights of his or her fellow citizens, and their dignity as human beings. in that you can refer how Tesfe use to threatening me

            4. No one should denounce a political opponent as evil and illegitimate, just because they have different views.
            5. People should question the decisions of the leadership, but not reject the groups ’s authority to lead.
            6.Every group has the right to practice its culture and to have some control over its own affairs, but each group should accept that it is a part of a democratic value.

            7.When you express your opinions, you should also listen to the views of other people, even people you disagree with. Everyone has a right to be heard.In we lack every thing by miles.

            8.Don’t be so convinced of the rightness of your views that you refuse to see any merit in another position. Consider different interests and points of view.

            9.When you make demands, you should understand that in a democracy, it is impossible for everyone to achieve everything they want. Still you must negotiate

            10.Democracy requires compromise. Groups with different interests and opinions must be willing to sit down with one another and negotiate.

            11. In a democracy, one group does not always win everything it wants. Different combinations of groups win on different issues. Over time, everyone wins something.

            12.If one group is always excluded and fails to be heard, it may turn against democracy in anger and frustration.

            13.Everyone who is willing to participate peacefully and respect the rights of others should have some say in the way the front is governed.

          • Yoty Topy

            Selamye,
            In order for democracy to function there are at least two criteria that countries must fulfill : A) middle income status =>b) these two religions : Islam and Orthodox Religions must not be the official religions.

          • selam

            I agree on any religion should completely out from any kind of state affair.

          • selam

            middle income ??, no money does not block you from justice , whether you have one hen or million dollar you have to have justice system that belongs equally to all people.

            For me religion is an evil thing

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam,
            The 13 points you have enumerated are about how a good, sensible and democratic body politic or government or organization should operate and function. Allow me to redirect you to what I was asking about in the first place. The question or the issue at hand is this: What FIVE things you (Selam) would you do to expedite (speed up) the downfall or removal of HGDEF (PFDJ). Also, let me hasten and offer one of my ideas ( You said that you are open to ideas from………). The first thing that any Eritrean movement, organization, party etc. etc… that purports and claims to be opposing HGDEF should do is to totally and completely dissociate and distance themselves from the Weyanes (TPLF) and others who subscribe to the antiquated notion of “Abessinian fundamentalism” ( google it, if you are familiar with the term). It is my core and deeply held belief that the process of bringing change in Eritrea is hindered by two and only TWO forces. They are the co-joined twins of PFDJ and TPLF (HGDEF and Weyane). I think those Ethiopians you have mentioned should mind their own Ethiopian business and leave Eritrea’s issues to Eritreans. By Eritreans I mean those that do NOT subscribe to “Abessinian fundamentalim”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Gheteb,

            Big question to you: You know half of the opposition are outside of Ethiopia. What makes them to fail in rallying the public at large and inspire them anew? Is there a permanent enemy in politics? In my view you could have a “permanent adversary” but not “permanent enemy.”

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            You have raised excellent questions which I think need to be explored even further than my passingly superficial rejoinder here. One of the glaringly manifest fact about the Eritrean oppositions groups is their utter failure not only in garnering the support of the Eritrean people, but their complete inability “in rallying the public at large…”. In my mind, one of the reasons is the absence of a talismanic leader or a leadership that is talismanical. Simply stated, a leadership that not only inspires the Eritrean populace, but also transfers his/her vision to the people so much so that they believe it to be their vision, too. A leadership that is talismanical would simply inspire the public in such a way that they will rally to the cause and assert ownership of the cause. Here I am talking about a charismatic leader and I don’t have to go to a far flung place to proffer an example. Just take a look at the young Issias Afeworki in his youth and you will see how he was able to not only gain the support of the people of Kebessa, but also was able to inspire others and bring them to share his vision as if it was theirs. Here I am talking about the early 70s during the incipiency of Selfi Natsnet. What one witnesses in the Eritrean opposition groupings leadership is the total absence of a shared vision, but a farrago of individual narratives. People don’t rise and join a cause because of individual narratives, but they have to be inspired enough to see the cause as their own and share ‘the shared vision’.
            You are right, Amanuel, that in politics it is often said, ” one doesn’t have a permanent enemy, but a permanent interest”. I think, you maybe referring to the Eritrean opposition groups relation with the Weyanes. I don’t want say much except to state the fact that this very relationship with the Weyanes has not been very helpful and productive in advancing the cause of those opposing the PFDJ regime. I mean for over the past two decades the Eritrean Oppositions groups relations with the Weyanes has not helped their cause very much and that is why I think there is nothing to write home about it.

          • selam

            I agreed about every thing you said , especially the opposition groups have to completely cut their relationship with ethiopia. i only say on idea especially on this forum that they can comment.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Great! Thank you, Selam. Now, let me ask you this. What do you think will speed up the downfall of HGDEF or the removal of PFDJ from power. Mind sharing your thoughts?

          • selam

            The best and short solution is to interfere the military structure just to crush the old habit but this hope is just foolish side of me so do not mind me.

            From my idea schools are the main place to plant the idea of change.
            Show them the suffering in Europe so that they should think the solution lay here in Eritrea.
            After that convince the people inside Eritrea to rise up and running to Europe is not the solution. . If you can convince the Eritrean students in a large scale, that will open a big gab between the soldiers , students and as well as their parents.

          • ‘Gheteb

            But, the Schools are controlled by HGDEF. How can you implement and put to action what you are suggesting. Won’t HGDEF stop it?

          • selam

            schools are not controlled by HGDEF , you can say what ever you want to them , unless you talk to the (mahber meneseyat ).

            students are allowed to have a gathering as far as they want in an informal way.

          • tes

            selam,

            Op, lie detected.

            You said, “schools are not controlled by HGDEF..” Really? Can I tell you one more truth?

            tes

          • selam

            I am telling you , you can do what ever you want if you can conduct your way in informal way.
            I am not telling you say hi people we will have meeting today about HGDEF

            I am telling if we can use the latest technology , we can do that but that needs a lot of money and ground work.

            again , i wish i can contact with you in a more positive way , i hope you understand that , i can not take you for your words because that will make me the same as you and i really do not want that.

            And why are you changing from tes to tesfe , Wm and so on , why is that.
            I can identify you with my lazy eyes.

          • Semere Andom

            How can the opposition cut their relationship with Ethiopia completely, while there are 100,000 Eritrean refuges in Ethiopia, while there is increasing number of Eriterans hazarding death to go to safety in Ethiopia. I think the opposition must strengthen its ties with Ethiopia more looking forward. Frankly, it is the Eritrean people who need to catch up if indeed the opposition’s relationship is holding it back from supporting it. Actually the relationship should even go further than just being in Ethiopia, it has to include military support, but this must be done openly. The oppostions needs to come clean what cooperation it has with Ethiopia, take risk to shatter that taboo. Either Eritreans must surrender to PFDJ or support the opposition and must get over the myth that the opposition is there to sell them to Ethiopia, the presence of high number of Eritrean refuges and those who were there from before makes it safer and logical place for the opposition to operate. The opposition is also lacks confidence in that regard and have to tell the Eritrean people the way it is going to be.

            I think in this regard the criticism is not fair, it is the people who has to decide. If they want the opposition not be in Ethiopia do not go there, if you hate that country that much do not go there, if it safe for the people, I safe for the opposition to be there.

            The opposition actually failed in gaining the support of the Ethipians as they are fragmented and multiplying like cancer cells, this is the problem otherwise, as it stands now we should strengthen the relationship with Ethiopia to th point of out right military coopeation in the same manner we used TPLF militarily with the Dergi and ELF. It was wrong to for TPLF to help EPLF to destroy ELF as both Eriteans fronts were working to liberate Eritrea, but is is morally, and Ethically and legally to enage Ethiopia now to remove PFDJ as PFDJ now proved to be working in destroying and un liberating Eritrea.
            To defend our selved from the assault , to save the nation from the destruction that PFDJ has in store for makes it morally and legally acceptable and history will silently record that event if tis happens as good thing that saved Eritrea from the eminent danger

          • selam

            You have made your point . I can not imagine any Eritrean will go as far as to seek military help from Ethiopia to kill his brother. By that account i do hesitate to call you an honest sales person except an opportunistic with evil idea.
            Such idea should remain in Somalia and we do not need people like you to have a say in the future Eritrean political discourse more than any Eritrean .

            I am completely convinced that you and people like you are helping HGDEF to continue for foreseeable future and that saddened me. To see some one behind computer who has access to every thing the world can over to advocate for more bullets. Such people are utterly utterly chapter 11.

            How many brothers of sisters do you have in Eritrea ?, i do question that if you say i have.

            They cross from Eritrea to ethiopia to have better chance from criminal hands of HGDEF , they do not cross to pick up guns . How many Eritreans cross from Ethiopia to Sudan ? do you have any clue? People like you have been asking Eritrean young generation in all Ethiopian camp to pick up guns and kill their brothers and sisters , and you have heard what they said , they said they did not cross to ethiopia to pick gun and kill their brothers.

            If you are advocating for the old and dead hyena to come from their failer in 1980th to this generation , you are wrong . If you want prove go and tour Germany and ask the last front of ELF. Their time is gone for ever and they have no future . Now it is our time and we will do it wisely. No need QINAT HIDHID.

            Any one who thinks that he will dissolve IA from the Ethiopian border is wrong and even if Ethiopia help to do that , the result will be not the one you wish.

            So i urge all of you to say no to violence change and no to bullets.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Selam:
            It is not your choice whether you need me or not. I am there I need me.
            Stop playing the guilt card that PFDJ has used for years. Whether you want to know, whether you admit it, I have brothers and sisters in Eritrea, but I do not count the PFDJ, the handful criminals that are bleeding my people as my brothers and sisters. If the opposition gets its acts together and Ethiopia believes that they are able to keep Eritrea intact I believe it will help them as fragmented Eritrea is dangerous to Ethiopia. United, just and prosperous Eritrea will do good to Ethiopia and well for itself , two mutually inclusive things.
            So whenever your ideas are challenged do not paly the identity card on people, if it was my choice I will not choose to share a country DIA’s and his supporters. I am that I am!
            And who said that receiving the military help means going and attacking Eritrean soldiers and Warsays and Ykalo, how about using the military help to surgically attack PFDJ?

          • selam

            I am not debating on the crime committed by HGDEF , I am debating you on how little you understand Ethiopia and mis judge the Eritrean people.

            First you did lie about the location . Admit that you have zero knowledge of moderen communication.second ,You are the most innocent person when it comes to weyane and their cronies . I do not blame you for that because what you know is just equal to your understanding.

            If you have brother and sister i do not think you will shot your brother or sister by your hand to get ride off IA and his cronies. what i do believe is that you are not honest with your self.

            I am sure you will not come from your ready made life to ethiopia to fight and kill your brother.
            You are just waiting for some poor people who could not find the money to go to Libya or Israel or any kind of that to die for you. What kind of person you are ?

            In what way is Ethiopia does not want a failed state then show me any prove.?

            So what are you going to do with the military aid you get from your boss Abay Weldu then.

          • Semere Andom

            Listen. If you come clean that you are here to press PFDJ agenda than hiding behind the brother sister. I believe people have choice to fight and if not they an leave, people should not be forced to fight that is PFDJ style. I am talking about the strategic idea of getting help from Ethiopia.
            Q for you, ok without the help from Ethiopia if the opposition raises enough money let say one of the owners of the Swiss Leaks funds them and they buy guns and establish strong army to attack PFDJ, would you support that? Or are you telling me to give the other check?
            Rem the armed men and women in the EDF is will be in the side of the people and if my brothers decides to die protecting and guarding IA mansion then that is his choice, but I would advice him to be in the side of people. Do not muddy the clearly delineated line between PFDJ and Eritreans, there is one Ethiopai abay crony in Eritrea, there s one Woyane stooge, there is only one Andent entity in Eritrea and it is PFDJ and its supports, who will sell Eritrea to the river when the push comes to push, no one else has demonstrated that callous will except this entity

          • Fnote Selam

            Semere,

            Open and honest interaction of those Eritrean opposition groups that work from (with help) Ethiopia, with Eritreans could go a long way to convincing people cooperation with Ethiopia could work. As you said, fear of Ethiopia’s involvement is Eritrea is exaggerated, but not without some merit. People need discuss the cons and pros of Ethiopia’s involvement openly, but I am afraid many of those who advocate for Ethiopia’s role have not been forthcoming with respect to that.

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi FS:
            You said it well!. Like all things this issue is also muddied by PFDJ and people need to ask what does it mean to receive help and why the opposition is in Ethiopia. In the first place the opposition should have been in Asmara, failing that then it is right to be where the next largest Eritrean population is. the rest is details and the opposition should shy away or apologize for being in Ethiopia they have to explain it for those who are dumb enough not to get it.

          • Hayat Adem

            “…but I am afraid many of those who advocate for Ethiopia’s role have not been forthcoming…”
            Really? As if the forum itself was forthcoming and interested to hear it! The diversity of this discussion forum is wide and you would hear several diverse takes on every single issue tabled. But on the particular issue above, it was amazing to see both HIGDEF and the anti HIGDEF, Eritreans and Ethiopians converging on a “No, not again, not now”. Besides, I’m starting to feel guilty in that my insistence on the matter might have had a role or two in losing HaileTG away. And yet for the few of us, at least for me, it is a no brainier that Ethiopians can do it fast, can afford to do it with minimum cost, and both sides would benefit greatly, Eritrea saving itself from a civil war that is sneaking in by the day. The only way that is standing on the way is bad psychology on the Eritrean side; and indifference and insensitivity on the Ethiopian side. Of course, the PFDJites would never be expected to welcome it and will invoke the false patriotism that they never have.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:

            It is mind boggling for people to think how a civil war torn Eritrea is good for Ethiopia. If Eritrea goes to civil war, it will be an incubator for terrorist both Eritreans and not-Eritreans and that will not be safe for Ethiopia. And I think they know that, the only thing holding them back in my opinion is the dysfunction of the opposition. After PFDJ is removed Ethiopia should not occupy Eritrea even for one second, although I believe that they do not have the intention, if they did they could have done it in 2000 when DIA and CO were packing to go back to Sahel, but for Ethiopia to stay even to stabilize is neither good for the moral, pride no for optics and they know that it would back fire.

            I think, the thread that keeps EPRDF, TPLF is visionary enough to realize this, they did when they assembled the coalition when they had the power, they did that with their internal conflict and how they resolved it in the jungle without following the rule of the jungle, in short it turns out they never liquidated anyone, they had their share of Menkae, their Yemin, and their G-15 just like us and all the members of these dissidents are roaming Addis, roaming the world, breathing the life that God blew into every one of us. This culture matters and I do not think that they would like to change that. But we cannot accept them to work on our best interest as a priority. They have tasted the terrible life of second class citizens and they triumphed to claim their equality and they are not going to squander that by creating unnecessary enmity with the Eritrean people and they have been clear about that after tasting the good life. So we should not fear to be ruled/conquered by the “Tegaru” they will not do it for all the Godl in Bisha let alone by force, they know better and they have articulated it.

            How do we convince them to help us remove PFDJ with military help? to wit we have not one thing going for for us: their acute knowledge that PFDJ is the arch enemy of Eritreans and Tigrayneans and humanity, what when have to do next is get united and prove to them that we can keep the country together by eliminating the radicals among the opposition, the Ethiopian haters, the Habesha haters, the Moslem haters and consolidating the Ethiopia lovers, the Habesha lovers the Moslem lovers and the Eritrean lovers.

            The Eritrean people did not have problems when PFDJ was sleeping with the TPLF to repress them and now they have issues when the opposition is there to liberate them, and they flock to the TPLF land for safety i tis this wrong perception that the opposition failed to tackle and they should not apologize for it either, it is our hypocracy that the PFDJ and its robots are exploiting to muddy the issue

          • Hayat Adem

            Very brilliant points, Semere. The civil war horor is a real threat. We are not saying it for the sake of “scare stranger danger”. The question is how many Eritreans do see it coming? The other question is what are Eritreans willing to do to avoid it? You asked, “How do we convince them to help us remove PFDJ with military help?”. And I think I know the partial answer: Two things have to happen for Ethiopians to be willing to come in to help:
            1) they must see the urgency and graveness of the situation in Eritrea mainy as a risk to Ethiopia’s security and other vital national interests. And I think, yes, they do because they are collecting their intelligence reports and they are getting their debriefings from the everyday runaway Warsay and Eritrean youth.
            2) they must be absolutely sure the Eritrean people at large or okay with Ethiopia’s military intervention. They will never try it before they are absolutely sure about this. You see, by now, the Ethiopians have no respect or fear for PFDJ. But they respect and fear the Eritrean people. It is only PFDJ that never respect or fear the Eritrean people. The Ethiopians do not want to fight against the Eritrean people in order to help the Eritrean people and themselves..It would be naive to think they would consider it as an option before they make sure that every Eritrean opposition voices is for it; every change seeking Eritrean voice is for it, and every Eritrean refugee in Ethiopia supports it and the overwhelming majority of Eritrean people welcome. They will do it only when they know PFDJ is alone and isolated on this.
            It is very evident many Ethiopians oppose it too, mainly out of “we’re fine now” attitude and unwilling to go for it due to the past trauma of wars in Eritrea. It understandable the Ethiopian people are uneasy but the Ethiopian government knows exactly how easy the job can be and it may not need to politically mobilize Ethiopians at national level. It can handle it at a security project level given that Eritreans support it. The key condition here is Eritrean people’s support.
            It appears a long way for the condition in number two to be in place. A lot needs to be done and most of it is supposed to be the work of the opposition. There is a lot of rejection, suspicion, a lot of confusion clouded by false patriotism and compounded with very low awareness and sense of priority around this.

          • Gherhi

            You made good and objective points there Hayat and Semere as well.

            Nothing more to add but to simply say that at the moment PFDJ is winning the propaganda war among the majority of Eritreans. That propaganda is – Ethiopia (particularly weyane) and the USA are hell-bent to reverse our independence and no matter how incapable we the PFDJ are, we will never compromise the nationhood and independence of Eritrea. That is their propaganda and still a large portion of Eritreans believe it and that is where the bulk of PFDJ support originates. Everybody knows PFDJ is completely inept and its policies have been detrimental at every level but our people still get a lot of their news from Dimtsi Hafash and EriTV. The likes of us on Awate, Assenna, Asmarino, etc…are a very tiny segment of the people and so we should not be fooled that we are winning in the information war.

            A step forward is to paint a clear picture to our people that the one and only enemy they have is IA and PFDJ. Unless and until we are successful in that front, PFDJ will continue to mislead our people into thinking Ethiopia is waiting for an opportune time to ‘recolonize’ you. And although, I believe change will need to come from within Eritrea, Ethiopia can play a vital role in aiding the change, stabilizing the country immediately after the change, and holding Eritreas hand and showing it the way forward. But that deep suspicion of Eritreans against Ethiopians needs to be defeated and buried and like I said the way to do that is to fight PFDJ in the propaganda war and paint a clear image of who they are and how they are determined to destroy the fabric of the Eritrean society beginning from the family unit and upwards upto villages completely emptied out.

          • Addis

            Dear Hayat,

            You are right many Ethiopians oppose it.
            But your assertion that the Ethiopian government don’t need to mobilize
            and sell that idea to the Ethiopian people is wrong and a bit
            condescending to the public. Condescending because it has the undertone
            and assumption that the government can get away by brushing the people
            aside and go on a major military intervention in another country with
            its own military and security apparatus however weak it is. It will be
            far from an ‘easy’ ‘security project’ as you it. We don’t have to go far
            to see the public outrage and difficulty the Ethiopian government faced
            when sending troops to Somalia the first few times. You can consider
            that intervention a ‘security project’ because it’s or was a failed
            state but the setting is very different with the case of Eritrea where
            any military intervention that you are expecting is deposing a
            government and putting another on its place. Adding to that the war
            trauma the Ethiopian people have gone through because of Eritrea makes
            the kind of intervention you are repeatedly discussing very unpopular to
            say the least among the public.

            Any sort of
            military or security intervention by the Ethiopian government that I can
            imagine is going to happen and be supported by the public is if by any
            means(it could be by Eritrean opposition or public uprising) PFDJ lost
            power and there’s a power vacuum which puts the security of Ethiopia in
            danger( as in the case of Somalia), then it’s justifiable in my opinion.
            Though I don’t wish the case of Somalia repeated in Eritrea for
            everybody’s sake.

            Mind you this is not because the
            Ethiopians are indifference of the plight of Eritrean people or it’s not
            coming from the attitude of ‘we are fine now’ as you put it. It’s just
            that we have spilled a lot of blood of our sons and daughters and we
            want to be very careful before we send them in harms way. We want to be
            very mindful of the big question ‘What is in it for us ?’ . As far as
            feeling the pain of the Eritrean people I think we are showing that by
            accepting refugees by the mass, giving them opportunities and education
            in our universities that no other refugees from neighboring countries
            are enjoying.

            I as an Ethiopian wish peace and
            stability and economic development for our neighbors that include you
            Eritreans. But please don’t ask us to fight your war for you. We have
            our own fight climbing out of poverty that needs our full energy and
            resources.

            Thank you.

          • Nitricc

            Dedebit; So, you think the Ethiopians are stupid; huh?
            Tell me why Ethiopians, forget minimum cost; even losing one person in Eritreans behave? I told you to drop this obsession of yours; civil war in Eritrea. Last time you were jumping up and down at the news PIA has; the angle of death took your midget for good. Now you are telling us civil war inching in Eritrea; watch out the fake, the false and the deceptive election is coming in your country and you may have been fooled the majority for too long but you know it, what went up must be down. You cannot fool the people all the time. Watch out what you wish for.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hello Hayat,

            The whole sentence reads, ‘People need discuss the cons and pros of Ethiopia’s involvement openly, but I am afraid many of those who advocate for Ethiopia’s role have not been forthcoming with respect to that.’ Yes, you openly talk of the pros of involving Ethiopia, but, I might have missed it somewhere, but I have not seen you (or others for that matter) discuss the cons. People say, those who know weakness of their plan and prepare for them have higher chance of convincing others and succeeding. And by cons, I dont mean like bashing TPLF or Ethiopia, but really practical hindrances and undesired events….For example, what do you do with the tens of thousands of Demhit and other soldiers. last time I checked they are look more well fed and armed than Eritrean army. So, how do you deal with them? And that is just one of many potential problems (some perceived, some real) that come up with the kind of Ethiopian role you are advocating……All I am saying is that, showing people these things could be handled and taken care of with minimal side effects (instead of putting them on the back burner) will go a long way to convince people.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • ‘Gheteb

            It never occurred to me that I will say this to you, but I got to say it. Which planet are you a denizen of? Do you really hail from this planet? Are you really an earthling to utter such a preposterously outlandish thing? Do you even have the minutest idea about what is commonly known as “the Eritrean ‘mental’ ” or The Eritrean psyche? I am utterly flabbergasted by the sheer ignorance you are parading here. Your historical nescience stinks to high heaven. Do you think that your “mighty” Ethiopian armed forces is going to accomplish it’s design as if it was a walk in the park? Or do you think that a military campaign is like a tea party or a eating a ‘Kitfo’ repast? Wasn’t that military adventure tried more than three times between 1998-2000? Or are you suffering from some sort of incurable amnesia. Go look at all the war video of the recent Woyane invasion. And while you are at it, it may do you a heckuva of good, to read “Ye Derasiwu Mastawesha” and there you will find out General Tsadkan wailing and cry his heart out after witnessing the utter defeat that his troops sustained in their hopelessly futile attempt to break through the Eritrean defenses. So, go tell your fairy tale to those who are still wallowing and holding to the antiquated notion of Abessinian fundamentalism, which you seem to be trying to peddle here. Let me also tell you about the utter folderol that you are trying to purvey here by asserting that Eritrea may endure a civil war. By all indications, your Ethiopia is more than prone to a civil war than is Eritrea. Just count the armed opposition group and the inherent flaws and fault lines that are glaringly obvious for any unbiased person. However, you are more than free to wallow in your fantasy land other wise known as “Hayat’s Wonder Land”! BTW, it is not indifference that is keeping your Ethiopia from taking this move that you are advocating. I think this time they know the consequences will be far more dire as all gloves be off. Go figure!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Selam,
            Please consolidate the 13 points into five crispy point that could encapsulate the rest with it. If you read it again, you will find somewhat repetitive. Then we will see how will go from it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gheteb,

            It is a big challenge that demand collective mind. But if you are challenging Selam to come with data based solution, then you are inviting her/him to come with an essay backed with graphs and charts to communicate with the public. Well my friend, I will welcome the idea. Go selam.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Amanuel,
            No, I am not asking Selam ” to come with data based solution….essay with graphs and charts to communicate with the public”. What I have asked Selam to do is to tell us what FIVE things she would do differently than those leading the anti-HGDEF camp in order to expedite the downfall of the PFDJ regime. She said she is not good with words but she is super-duper with data. I said that is fine and go ahead and use those data to make your case. And nothing more!

    • T..T.

      Selam,

      Here’s another question for you. As a causal and information analyst, how and where would you look first to answer the following contention?

      Suppose the TPLF didn’t consider the EPLF as its strategic ally and to ensure the needed cooperation the EPLF induced the TPLF into the project by offering Badumma. Now, after signing the Algiers agreement, the TPLF separates the Badumma issue from the package of Algiers agreements and declares that it was holding Badumma in abeyance awaiting the real claimant (A government that represents the Eritrean People).

      • selam

        I am interested in the internal issue and i hope you understand there is a big difference on talking to the Eritrean people about the current problem than the effect of badme. Badme is Eritrean land and this will get solved after one of the governments lost the key of badme.

        once we have constitutional government it will be very easy for us Eritreans to press the Ethiopian government through international channels to hand back our land.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam,

          A huge leap! You become wised up when you say: ” once we have constitutional government it will be very easy for us Eritreans to press the Ethiopian government through international channels to hand back our land.” No matter how difficult this arduous debate it is, but I think it pays off when we see some development on the path to common understanding. Your judgement to what is true, and what should be done is in the right direction.

          regards,

          • selam

            Even before i may stated some how weird but i did not lose the core principle of our vision.
            I have told so many of you(not you may be) that badme is even not in the 10th priority list .

            what we have now is the problem to mobilize the Eritrean people on the notion they deserve better and they can do it in Eritrea after constitutional government.
            That being said imagine it took us almost 22 years and counting to form a strong front even in America and Europa.

            I still have friends in america who still support the IA regime , I take that as our weakness to mobilize and show them how they are killing our brothers and sisters in the sea or desert by supporting HGDEF.

            What is the benefit of talking about ELF and EPLF and so on , what does it cost to forget every thing about the 1980th ? And focus about now and future. Most people in this forum gave me F grade for saying the opposition groups are not doing enough , am I guilty of doing some thing evil .

            I always think that we need to open our arms to criticism and learn but such kind of thinking irritates some .

          • Abraham Hanibal

            If there are people in the diaspora who still support the PFDJ regime, I don’t think they support it because they believe and accept its policies, but rather because of their personal benefits. Some of them may have business relations with the regime, some of them may be planning to build houses, or open some businesses? Most of these people are short sighted, opportunists who do not care about the fate of their country and compatriots back home. I believe also most of these people have almost no relationship with the country; whole families have been relocated to abroad, meaning no relative of them suffering under the PFDJ. Eritrea for them is a summer resort destiny, a place where they could earn some exstra money by running some businesses, and a place where they show off their glitters.
            It is very naive to expect that change would come to Eritrea from diaspora Eritreans. The only way change can happen is if those serving in the army, and the people still suffering under the regime find the courage to resist oppression. If not, the country under the PFDJ, in the way it is going is doomed. As long as our society is griped by fear, indifference, and apathy, our misery is going to continue, at least until those leading the current dictatorship are alive. This means we’ve to wait at least a decade, for some window of change to appear in our country, if we survive as a nation until then.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Abraham,
            The points you are making are excellent and nothing more to that I want to add. However, we have to find a way to make the diaspora opposition more effective so that it can hopefully play a constructive role. I am with you in that change can only spring from INSIDE Eritrea and change should be directed by Eritreans ONLY!

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Gheteb;
            I agree, Gheteb, we in the diaspora can play a supportive role to the change. First we begin by distancing ourselves from the regime; meaning the number of opportunist Eritreans should be greately reduced, then we come together to strengthen the diapora opposition. By doing so we would send a strong signal of isolating the PFDJ regime, and a message of encouragement to those inside the country who might try to challenge the regime. If we form robust opposition organizations, we can help put strong political, and diplomatic pressure on the regime. At the same time we could also channel economic, financial and moral support to forces of change at home more effectively.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Abraham,
            Again, great points. Agreed!

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Gheteb and Abraham,

            Although it is very appealing and most ideal solution, change from inside Eritrea only and by Eritreans only, seems a little unrealistic. I think for good or for bad Ethiopia will have a role (or at least will try to have a role) in whatever changes comes to Eritrea, be it through direct involvement (military or otherwise), through Eritrean opposition groups (some genuinely believe (wrongly or not) no change in Eritrea will come w/out Ethiopia’s involvement), or by influencing other countries or international bodies. What do you guys think?

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear FS, I feel sometime people are just giving excuse not to challenge. some said we need peaceful (unarmed) struggle, some said only change can be from inside only, without any help of Ethiopians etc. I think all will lead to Asmara and we can combine all and work. Regarding Ethiopian help, it is a doubt on self otherwise if you know what you are doing what is wrong to get a helping hand. so all reasons given are like “ቆሚሽሽጢ ኣደይ ዓንቂፉኒ ” type. when you get someone complaining and given unnecessary reason just tell him “show me your way practically”. as you can see some are telling us we can go for reform as if the once who have been on power like petros and sherifo didn’t try it.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            You wrote, “show me your way practically”.” For how long are you going to see his way to happen practically? Just curious to know.

            I am asking just to endorse your response fully. FS selam looks on a constant research on what is really happening. It is good but the theory he is developing might be just a nag.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear brother Tes, all what I am saying to FS is exactly the answer for what you ask. I am not going to wait any single person in fact I will do what I can. Yet since synergy is important I am begging everyone who gives reason to take action what he believe now before it is late. for example my choice armed mostly and peaceful way but all in it’s place. Here in awate the war is peaceful mostly as you are convincing some one just by debating. I believe a lot of readers has changed by know as a lot of things were exposed. yes, I think creative people should combine and mix ways when needed. I do believe internal struggle gives result and at the same time I believe diaspora have it’s own wonderful role. but if someone want to do for example only inside the country, he should go ahead and take action. for sure he will find out how much support he needs from people outside the country up on starting his step (I am sure). for more than 13 years we are debating on which way is the best but taking action is what we need.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Fully endorsed.

            tes

          • selam

            By influencing other countries or international bodies looks more possible . I mean if we can have good results it is really nice way ,But militarily it is really messy and the out come could be very distracted

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Fnote Selam;
            The idea is the agenda and plan for change should be outlined, lead, and executed by Eritreans, mainly those inside the country. This doesn’t mean that help is not needed; every assistance as long as it doesn’t dictate any unfavorable preconditions on us, and as long as it guarantees the interests of our people, the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our nation, it is welcome. However, I don’t believe a military solution from outside Eritrea is the appropriate way to bring change, because this means basically Eritreans killing each other. Is it in our interest to kill our enslaved army members, whose only dream is a freedom from oppression? And how would such a military engagement proceed without risking plunging us in a bloody and worse civil war?

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Abraham,

            Regarding seeking assistance from outside, I agree with your statement, but I want to briefly say that one way we can ensure that the interest of our people are looked after is by engaging with others (including Ethiopia), communicating with them (including Ethiopia), building thrust and relationship (including with Ethiopia) etc etc.

            Regarding to change from inside Eritrea, I want to nudge you a little bit, if you are ok with it.

            The question I have is, why does the idea, agenda and plan for change have to come from Eritreans inside the country? Is it because people inside the country are more patriotic? or is it because those inside Eritrea understand the situation more than those in diaspora? or is it more practical and easier for those inside Eritrea to bring about change? or is there some thing (some overriding reason) that gives those inside Eritrea the privilege of leading the change?

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Fnote Selam;
            I’m for domestic solution for domestic problems. Although all Eritreans are the victims of the current regime, those inside the country are bearing most of the brunt of the wrong policies. A regime can’t stand a single day, if and when those serving it willingly or unwillingly cease to do so, and turn against it. Besides, when change emanates from inside, it has more legitimacy among the people, and the risk of it being manipulated by outside forces is minimal. Hence, the change can progress in an orderly, and controlled way, as well as avoiding dangerous civil strife. I think we have also to be realistic; how is it practically possible to enact change inside Eritrea from abroad, without the use of force, and in the processes risking Eritreans killing each other? And I don’t believe that there are many Eritreans in the diaspora who are willing to solve the problem through the gun. In my view, the great majority of Eritreans who left the country didn’t do so because they chose to fight the regime from abroad, but because they just wanted to escape from the endless oppression and hardship under the PFDJ.

          • Kokhob Selam

            nice comment.

          • Gherhi

            Excellent points!

          • selam

            Do you think every one agrees with your assessment of the eritreans who live abroad are supporting HGDEF only because they want buy houses or invest in a container shop ?

            have you ever go out from your home and see how many eritreans do not travel to eritrea and still support HGDEF even those who were in HGDEF labour force for 14 years , they still do not buy the opposition menu.

            Go meet people and ask

  • Abel

    Natnael,
    Congratulation on your achievements, I bet it is all Tihtikirsi.

  • Hayat Adem

    True, but I still prefer to have my speed and skills and work hard on my determination, than being a turtle, in which case working on speed improvement would be futile.

    • Kokhob Selam

      I was simply trying to find out which one serves human being. so far I have listed 50 uses of bee, God, bee body anatomy, the social life, its harmony with nature, it’s language within it’s society. the products of bee etc.etc, why you Hayata and Horizon give me such a big homework. it is a wide lesson?

    • In defense of the turtle: what if the turtle does not want to invent the
      wheel or wait until it grows stronger and taller legs in order to move quicker
      and farther, but exploits the potential given to it by modern technology? Even we
      human beings cannot go far without modern technology at our disposal.

      • Hayat Adem

        In which case, there is no exclusivity of access and doesn’t rule out the inherent disadvantage, or does it?

  • said

    Why do states fail? This is a question that is being dealt with recently by many a think tank. Briefly , herewith are some very brief answers:

    1. Historically, military junta, warlords dominate a certain region and controlling its political and economic resources . In the process, the ruler establishes institutions to run the region. These include establishing an army, founding a system of education, setting up of institutions to collect taxes and oversee trade, etc.

    2. In the inevitable departure of the warlord for any reason, those who shared the benefits granted them previously by this warlord, will challenge his successor. Once the latter refrains from sharing the political and economic resources with a wider circle of aspirants , any successor is challenged by this new class.

    3. In this challenge, the military has the best chance of success to take over, due to its institutional organization and discipline. Again, once this junta refrains from sharing the political and economic resources of the country, they will be challenged by other institutions or external powers. The longer this period of challenge lasts, the more likely the army and other institutions begin to disintegrate. This process causes the failure of the state.

    We currently have this phenomena in many countries Somalia, Haiti ,DRC, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya etcetera .

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Alazar, may be this is the sign of hope. you say what you want to say right in Awate. you label them to cover something (which will not) and still take your dinner. try it in HADAS ERITREA gazette and see the difference.

  • T..T.

    Yesterday’s collateral damages that became inseparable incidentals to the main target can help us to understand the world’s power politics. In today’s example, only 180 Salafist Jihadists endorsed by the Arab Gulf States took out Gaddafi, yes the huge Gaddafi. How? Well! Surely, one can trace it by connecting the dots. A similar good old example, we have the Derg and Jebha, which due to their labor parties and as close friends of Russia, were paired to be taken out by Shabia, which was endorsed by the Saudis, one of the primary new world order players. And, Shabia inwardly endorsed the TPLF as its partner in the project. Here, many of Eritreans with good knowledge of the Eritrean revolution, who do not need to think outside the box, may find it that the TPLF’s success was indebted to Isayas’s picking of them as partners.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Tesfabirhan WR,
    .
    Excuse me, I can’t take it anymore. You say so much to say so little. Your meandering all over the place, I got exhausted and disgusted. At the end you show the complete lack of understanding of the debate about genocide.
    How can you teach when you cannot learn yourself to begin with.
    .
    I would have passed it all have I not read your posts to the lady from Asmara, selam. The bullying nature of your post tells a lot about you. You are free to attack her ideas like everybody else. There is no reason for you to intimidate her with your veiled personal threats. Have a little respect for the lady. Be a man.
    .
    K.H

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selamat Kim, Tesfat, Selam, and Others

      If I am not wrong this is the fourth round debating about the civil war, the alliance of EPLF and TPLF, and the bitter history we went through it, since this forum has started. For obvious reasons, we can not come to the same understanding. So what I can suggest to you and all awatistas is, let us leave it for historians to sort it out. In every epoch of history each generation is challenged by sets of problems that time and space has allotted to them. The challenges of the past four decade aren’t the same with that of the present. We failed in many instances to resolve them peacefully in the past. This debate should focus now, on how to resolve the current challenges in front of us differently from that of the past. In the past history – our lose outweigh our gains in all its aspects. And there were many options and possibilities to maximize the gains, minimize the lose and hatred that still lingering within us. Can we say momentarily that the bygone is a bygone, at least until historians sort it out.

      The conclusion on my side about it is, “fate and history” took its own course even if it is ugly, and that the new generation couldn’t change the past actions now. The new generation have their own challenges and their tasks is to resolve it wisely and intelligently far better than the generation before them. That should be the focus of our time.

      regards,

      • selam

        agreed , but can you please tell to people bullying is not allowed.
        It is bad behavior

        • Kokhob Selam

          can you see the wisdom Amanuel owns? since you and me are lucky to have such wonderful teacher, he is our common land. to use this chance, here is the deal I will respect you and I will expect respect from you. Yes, how can we miss such type of chance (having an elder with great wisdom). do that also with Tesfa and lets end arguments but only civilized conversations for our better future Eritrea. Deal?

          • selam

            Agreed , From my side read all the posts i have with tesfe i have asked him so many times not to intimidate me and insult me. But he has Eritrean love towards, me i guess. He never stop attacking me.

            But i promise , i will take your advice.

      • Yoty Topy

        I couldn’t have stated it any better Amanuel. Soon, all the veterans will meet their creator like the rest of us and a younger generation who is more tolerant and who doesn’t invoke the “ghedli” card every time you challenge him will assume the mantle of leadership and all this nightmare will be just a lesion in history.

      • selam

        You are right Ema.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Kim Hanna,

      History tells us what happened to ELF is different. All 15,000 armed men dysfunctional, some joined EPLF (around 3000?), some continued to fight independently and many flee to diaspora. No genocide or kind of extinction. What I am talking is very clear unless you don’t want to agree with and I don’t expect neither.

      As for selam, she is well capable of defending herself.

      tes

  • Semere Andom

    Eritreans have being looking across the Mereb River for safety for over a decade now. They have dodged the bullets of their brother who chase them to act on the shoot and kill orders of PFDJ. Many make it, but many are also killed by their own brothers in cold blood from behind for searching liberty and freedom that has become elusive in the country their forethars, their fathers, their sibling and themselves have bled for to defend it. And defend it, they did. But the bravery they exuded to defend it, the buckets of blood the spilled, the fatigue and excruciating g pain they endured for the sake of the home land failed to defend the people from the insidious enemy that has become equally cruel and in some cases even more vicious than the enemies generation of Eritreans fought.

    At the time when the brotherly people of Tigray are giddy about their future, during this time when they are proud of their modest beginning when a handful exuberant young men embarked on the impossible task of facing the colossal enemy of the Dergi, at time when Ethiopians as a whole are looking forward to an election, Eritreans are peering across the Mereb Riverver for inspiration, for epiphany and for some lessons to glean. Historically the Eritrean Ghedli was a mentor for TPLF by virtue of our 15 years of experience and many TPLF freedom fighters were trained by Eritreans, besides the material and other tangible help, Eritreans inspired Tigrayeans. But the people who inspired, the freedom fighters who mentored, the young men and women who believed in the cause of theTigrayans are now facing set back and now are musing on what their friends at TPLF did in Feb, 2015 when celebrating their 40 year anniversary. TPLF paid tribute to all its founding fathers, some of them have long time ago dissented and are no logers part of it, yet they mentioned them by name and acknowledged their role. Compare that to PFDJ where it removed the video clips when Haile Derue was dancing with IA to remove his memory from the minds of the people and erase his role as one of the founding father of Eritrea. TPLF also has its own dissident during the last war, it arrested them, but it did not disappear them, one of them Siye actually was released and in 2012 he was attending Harvard, Eritrean military men who are peers and counters parts of Siye, some were shot some are in Ela –Ero.

    There is a tendency to make debate about the current affairs of Ethiopia as black and white: is Ethiopia a democracy or is it dictatorship. It more nuanced this is simplistic dictomy. This commenter see it by the considering the following points

    1. Given the rebel roots of the EPRDF in the last 24 years did they initiate institutional governance or not

    2. Did they lift many people from the century old destitution and inspired them that they can dream and that they are not doomed to beg and the shameful drought that shocked the world in 1984 was man made and man can alleviate it

    3. Did they put in place the process to slowly, honorably and respectfully replace the old guard with new generation of leaders

    4. Did they open higher education centers or did they close them

    5. Did their leader set the tone for comprise or for conflict

    Ethiopia has has made impressive transformation economically and culturally, the first is obvious but it also transformed the country from the Amhara centric of the HS era, where people were bowing their heads from a mile. But this countrymen its highly diversity once the economic arena holds true Ethiopia needs to make a choice: it has to decide whether to be a country dominated by minority or a true inclusive democracy with healthy Federal systems with fair riding distributions for the provinces, where its diversity can be worn with pride. If this does not happen, Ethiopia is fragile because people do not only rebel when they are poor to claim their fair share of the wealth, but they also tend to rebel when they are rich and affluent to claim their share of power and freedom.

    Below summarizes my meandering about Ethiopia:

    Many Awatistat are too young to remember him, but there was one avid reader, prolific commenter and avant-garde writer. When he threatened that he will retire in 2015; his friends did not take him seriously and he was satirized for it by his friends. He was a master debater. He understood boys and men and the drug they are naturally injected with, testestone and rebuked them when they over-dosed on it during debates. This writer was a good friend of many. He once did a coup on the AT and like any coup conductors he elevated his title to Sheik to get the legitimacy. The writer in question once said this about Ethiopia: Ethiopia needs to move one and moving on for Ethiopia is embracing its diversity.” about Ethiopia: Ethiopia needs to move on and moving on for Ethiopia entails embracing its diversity.”

    • Dear Semere Andom,

      You wrote, “…..Ethiopia needs to make a choice: it has to decide
      whether to be a country dominated by minority or a true inclusive democracy with healthy Federal systems with fair riding distributions for the provinces, where its diversity can be worn with pride.”

      This is a fundamental point, which every Ethiopian should have in mind, if Ethiopia wants to build a future without ups and downs.

      Ethiopia has moved gradually but surely from a state of ethnic and ideological conflicts to that of creating a common home (Ethiopia), a place of peaceful coexistence and future economic prosperity. Some Ethiopians have also achieved equal citizenship, contrary to their status of a second-class citizen of the past, yet to be proved
      unequivocally by economic, political and social equality for all. Diverse societies have reached the stage of compromises and not confrontations, and the will to achieve consensus on different issues seems to be a possibility.

      It is up to the coalition parties that form the federal government and the different state governments, to demand and not beg for equal opportunities for all Ethiopians and all ethnic states. Power sharing at the federal level and power distribution to the periphery should be guaranteed for a sustainable future. The common Ethiopian national identity should be developed by embracing the diversity of the people and the unique ethnic identity of each group.

      The future can continue to be peaceful, harmonious and prosperous, only if the sense of perpetual entitlement, obsession with power, greed, fear of the unknown, arrogance, and the resurgence of ethnic superiority, are avoided by all means possible. Ethiopians should be extremely vigilant and they should understand that the danger of Ethiopia sliding back to that ill-fated past is always there. Ethnic diversity is Ethiopia’s strength, but it is at the same time her weakness, which can also be exploited by sinister forces.

      Regards.

      • Nitricc

        Horizon let me ask you simple question who do you think closer to REAL democracy between Ethiopia and Eritrea? I know the likes of Semere; Amna_H and the rest of Amen corner thinks Ethiopia is a democratic country. but the truth is neither Ethiopia nor Eritrea are democratic but my my question is who do you thinking closer to real democratic system? and why?

        • Hayat Adem

          Horizon,
          I’ve been reading your comments here. Except for few blunders, you are a cool headed honest guy, a rare commodity among Ethiopians. That’s why I trust better than the rest. Forget what the Amen corners and what they think and be your self for honesty sake when answering my question.
          Which one is the REAL faster between a bee and a turtle? I know what that toothless Semere or that Dedebit girl would say? But you are different. The truth is neither animal is fast enough compared to how fast they need to be. But if you have to compare the two, which one is faster?

          • Abinet

            Hayat
            I say a flying turtle is faster and wiser in a competition to get to the horizon.

          • Hayat Adem

            Abi
            Nearly all of their (PFDJ’s) political things don’t confirm to my test at all. They are weirdos. Their symbol, the Turtle, too. How do you go for the most sluggish, vulnerable prey,to symbolize your movement. In contrast, I can understand EPRDF’s pick, the Bee to be its symbol of hard work, good product and defensive protection is a good choice.

          • Abinet

            It is all your fault. You are too smart to be pfdj.
            Speaking of the r/p b/n EFRDF and bee I have my own theory. eprdf is like a bee which sting you if you don’t behave

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abinet,
            poor Camel, because it is a sign of Eritrean passport you label her Ugly. But Camel is honest,energetic, and trustful animal. If she knew PFDJ is using her as symbol she could have been ashamed to live in this world.

            for as for Erireans camel has very special place in history.

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            I know what makes a camel cry. It is when it hears the saying ” a camel is a horse made by a committee.”

          • Kokhob Selam

            ተው ተረጋጋ !

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhob,

            Bring up the “gemeley gemeley eza Te’om shima” song, the song written by Bashay but sung by wedi Awalom. This is the history of the song: when myself and bashay was lying under big tree in 1975, we saw numbers of camels, in line one after the other loaded with variety of ammunutions, heading to the highland of Eritrea, I asked Redi Kifle known as “Bashay” to write a poem them. As gifted as he is, it doesn’t take him 15 minutes to do it. He gave the lyrical song to be sung by Belai Awalom. I will never forget the the history of the camels and the song that highlight their contribution in the struggle.
            Amanuel

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yep, you let me go back to my Gedli days. a lot to say about it. how a wonderful time we had !!

          • Kokhob Selam
          • Ted

            Hayat,
            The symbol Turtle is not bad at all if it is appointed to the right group. Longevity, serenity, and unbreakable shield. Who doesn’t want that. The Post tortoise” analogy rather perfectly fit with TPLF. ” what kind of idiot put him up there to begin with.” this is a million dollar question Ethiopians live with everyday, the finger always point to Eritrea and one of the most difficult quanadrum for the “oppositions” ; balancing the wish of Ethiopians to their needs. The opposition could have served well if they try to understand the grievance of Ethiopians and fight the duo governments along side them. But, no…..this and that……………crap.
            That is why we are here shooting in the dark for the solution while Shaebia went to the back door and let in what is rightfully our brothers in arms.( Watch ESAT). We can’t be philosophical about this, we live in Africa where ethnicity dominate the political field.
            FACT: TPLF( only 5%) rule by brute force and Ethiopians highly resent that.

          • Hayat Adem

            Ted,
            It takes a genius to defend the qualities of a turtle like you did. That is my complement. The 5% rule is not true by even an exaggerated stretch. I can prove this with numbers if you want. But even if it was, why do Eritreans feel the pain more than the Ethiopians? Is it because you hate injustice so much it became unbearable to even tolerate it as a neighbor? Do you as Ted get equally disgusted by the one man-rule (not just 5%) at home?
            The reason is because some folks here think that this is the weakest link in Ethiopian politics and they think Ethiopia can easily break-up in chaos if enough people are agitated and irritated by the “Tigreans in power” while small in number. And these folks think the break-up of Ethiopia is the start of the renaissance of PFDJ. That is straight from the PFDJ book. What I don’t understand is how people like Ted, a smart guy who can see things in a turtle, would buy this junk, untrue and unsaleable?

          • Ted

            Hayat, thank you for the compliment. “genius” i don’t know about that. I have no illusion that Ethiopia will break up. It will never happen even in Ogaden. I want change in Eritrea and Ethiopia, that is my final answer. The point i want to make is Ethiopians are not represented in their government and the one who pulls the string from behind the curtain is TPLF. Tigrayans are the beneficiaries of this EPDRF facade. The same criticism also applies to you, how smart guy like you fail to see this open secrete. The difference between Ethiopia and Eritrea is, Ethiopians are certain their country will be in peace and harmony after TPLF while Eritreans aren’t certain what the future holds for them after PFDJ although want change badly as their southern neighbors .
            About renaissances of PFDJ, it will happen If my assumption is correct, that is- if change came in Ethiopia before Eritrea. Shaebia will take the credit for Ethiopians victory. The opposition who are riding the TPLF horse has a big stake on the survival of TPLF. Very sad but true.

          • Hayat Adem

            But I was saying that is not true. If you are that passionate about Ethiopian national politics, you need to be informed about i first. That can best happen if you ask more questions than answering them. But that is all we can do for the sake of passion.
            Ethiopia is now at its best since long time ago. Professor Eric Haggai said this recently “I have continued to come after the 1991 fall of the Derg, and as a visiting scholar I watched the country recuperating from a disastrous trauma. Gradually Ethiopia resumed its human and happy spirit, opened to its own diversity and to the greater world. The change was not without pains and problems, but altogether it was, and it is, in the right direction. Now, twenty three years later, it seems to me that it would be proper to declare that 1991 was the first real revolution in Ethiopia’s two millennia of history”
            So, any healthy change Ethiopians would like to see is incremental or additive to where they are now. TPLF earns it and is surviving as a best performer not by mere control and manipulation. As I see it, there will never be a healthy change in Ethiopia that doesn’t have EPRDF as a participant actor.
            The Ethiopian constitution is the only platform through which an orderly change is possible. Your assertion TPLF needs PFDJ to survive is not true at all, not even a little bit. I am being amazed by this: some Eritreans seem to be okay to call it a day with PFDJ is tied with a condition: as long as Ethiopians are ready to call it a day with TPLF. That is the kind of condition you can logically squeeze from all these cries of 5%; TPLF=PFDJ; Badume/Border etc by some folks. These folks don’t want to talk about PFDJ independent of Weyane, independent of the opposition, about the 700md; about the 100k+ exodus; about the National Servitude…The people who discuss about the 5% issue are not really that passionate about representative democracy and diversity in Eritrea. These are the people who sing hade libi hade hizbi. Their concern has nothing to do with seeking a fair democracy and representation for Ethiopians. They have to say few negative things about PFDJ to access some audience. And they think that gives them an effective camouflage and qualification to say a lot of lies about the opposition and stick out their nose in Ethiopian politics.
            I have never seen an Ethiopian discussing the ethnic arrangement of Eritrea and how the Eritrean representation should be set up. Ethiopians mostly discuss Eritrea on matters that are relevant with the migration, regional peace, trade and cooperation. It is mind-boggling some Eritreans are excessively interested in having an opinion on seat apportionment and rationing for Ethiopians. This is funny because we are re-seeking political opinion on Ethiopian domestic politics after we sealed our fate 1993 to go it alone.

          • Ted

            Hayat,
            ” It is mind-boggling some Eritreans are excessively interested in having an opinion on seat apportionment and rationing for Ethiopians.” Is’t that we supposed to be doing. Did you read the title we are discussing issues under.”Ethiopia: The Seven Sleepers Of Ephesus Are Eight”

            “The people who discuss about the 5% issue are not really that passionate about representative democracy and diversity in Eritrea. These are the people who sing hade libi hade hizbi. Their concern has nothing to do with seeking a fair democracy and representation for Ethiopians. They have to say few negative things about PFDJ to access some audience. And they think that gives them an effective camouflage and qualification to say a lot of lies about the opposition and stick out their nose in Ethiopian politics.” Hold your horses Hayat, i don’t mean to offend you by tarnishing TPLF. And as Eritrean it is a good thing to investigate and question the motive behind who ever is involved in the struggle. You have to learn to accept and accommodate the fact some( actually a lot) of Eritreans want anything to do TPLF.

          • Hayat Adem

            Ted,
            Bring your facts. Start with one, the biggest and most obvious and easy to see. Debate with me as tough as you can. Then, we will see if you can hold it and survive it for an hour. If you prevail, I’ll pay honor and acknowledge and relearn my facts. If you can’t do well on this, your fact-claim is a false smoke and you will have to adjust your opinion. In the end, no body loses because whichever side prevailed will be our common ground…

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hayat,
            Tough call. I hope, Ted to be serious debater and will meet your challenge. Awaiting for both of you on the virtual podium, something to learn.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, you can jump in. We are here to learn. If nothing one can learn how to sugar coat. “.to quote “Ted” – You know sarcasm too, how convenient

          • Hayat Adem

            Emma,
            I was not quoting an obscure historian. This is a world scholar who has studied our region like no other and earn the highest respect on the world stage. Any thing from professor Haggai should have made this guy curious. That was Ted’s ridiculous shot. Some one like me knowing the region “1000 more” than Professor Hagai is utterly laughable. That was very uninformed.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hayatom,

            I Know Professor Hagia is a world renowned scholar. But what I was hinting to you is, we Eritreans do not recognize and trust on foreign scholars. Didn’t you see how “haw Ted” react to you, a typical Eritrean reaction to disqualify for a valid reference you noted in your argument. It is always sad to see, instead making counter argument to disqualify your argument, if he is up to, he dismissed your argument because your reference is a foreigner.

            regards,

          • Ted

            Amanuel, if i immerse my hand in a hot water for some sort of experiment. Who do you want to hear from how it feels. The physiologist who is conducting the experiment or the subject whose hand is in the water. We live to know the Ethiopian and Eritrean saga day in day out and to tell me otherwise is absurd. I don’t have a problem with intellectuals or foreigners as you want to portray it. My argument is clear. And it is not nice to say ” we Eritreans…..” please speak for yourself.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Ted,

            I was part of the hot political experiment of ghedli, even though you tried to metaphorized it as “hot water experiment”. If you are a politician, the first thing as rule you must know is, there is no permanent enemy in politics except permanent interest. Politics change with change of circumstances, as a result the rule of engagement will follow suit or proceed behind accordingly. The past is a past and the present is “a present with all its variables.” Calculate the political tariffs equating all the variables in to an equation to find the net gain of politico-diplomacy that renders favorable mutual interest. Because “inter-state politics” is about national interest, your focus should be on how to maximize the national interest with precise rigorous diplomatic engagement. We can’t escape from engagement with our neighbors countries. Hate will not serve to our national interest, but diplomacy does. All my attempt is to prod you to basic “diplomatic talking flavor” to make a paradigm shift in our political engagement.

            regards,

          • Ted

            Amanuel, i am hoping you make the paradigm shift too. Personally, i believe the unbridled relationship of the opposition with TPLF is the main culprit in the making of comatose state opposition. The sooner we understand this the better we all be. FYI, i am not politician just concerned citizen try to say my piece.

          • Hayat Adem

            I was not doubting that you would know this professor for what he is worth. i was addressing Ted supporting your observation. this scholar not an ordinary intellectual who just walked out of the woods. he has studied our region right from the biblical time to present time. when guys like that say, Ethiopia is making history now after 2000yrs, any man born of a woman should be curious to know more not dismiss. what he said by way of example is funny: “if i immerse my hand in a hot water for some sort of experiment. Who do you want to hear from how it feels. The physiologist who is conducting the experiment or the subject whose hand is in the water”. So, according to Ted, a hand in the water is all what it takes to know about the body and its physiological configuration? Emma, stay put, we’ll entertain you more when he comes up with his debating lines on the Ethiopian politics.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hayat,

            Initially I thought Ted will be capable to entertain us a meaningful debate with you. Albeit, I was wrong when all his responses become a two liner sentences. A debate between “a student and a teacher” will be only one sided, and is always with the teacher. So in the absence of Saay the only man in town to match in the debate with you is “Gheteb”. There will be a give and take in the exchange of your debate, and more importantly you will pull others to a meaningful engagements. Gheteb, are you listening to me?

            reagards,

          • Ted

            Amanuel, You think Haayat is the sharpest knife in the drawer, good for him. I think you are as good, just modest. You accused me for being two liner. Noted. in my defense i am here not to lecture the genesis of things rather provoke alternative thoughts and more importantly to learn from smart people like you .

            TPLF proudly claims to represent the Tigray people in a federal Ethiopia system ironically Tigray is the least to benefite in the genuine federal arrangement in Ethiopia. They don’t to it, the EPDRF travesty show must go on.,
            First, Tigray is the most impoverished with high probability of drought and famine. It is unlikely the province can sustain itself with out siphoning resources from other part of Ethiopia. Second,The Tigray elite under TPLF umbrella have unhindered privileged access to Ethiopian resources. Third, Tigray want to claim with vengeance the lost glory of King Yohanes and Axumite era as the back bone of Ethiopia( Aga@@@me and Kimalame no more). Fourth, entitlement as liberators, hence the military is TPLF,
            EPDRF comes in to assure their evil plan as ethnic right as a disclosure to attract and downcast disorganized ethnic elite. Voila.
            The mere attempt is suicidal, making TPLF inherently incapable of creating genuine ethnic coalition. The have the Tiger by the tail except sooner or later they have to let it go. And my two bro, you can only bury your head in the sand for so long. Some times venture out to Ethiopian coffee shops for different perspective.

          • Nitricc

            Aman so do you really believe Hayat is an Eritrean? i know you are in love with disgraced TPLF but why are you putting your credibility on line for some thing indefensible? I know you are in love with dead midget of Tigray, Melles Zenawi, but do you think you have self worth to protect rather than going all out in defense of the enemies of Eritrea? i am just asking.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            Hayat is a true Eritrean who defends the “interest of Eritrean people”, unlike you who defend ” the regime” and his policy. Here is a message to you, we love you no matter what position you took knowingly or unknowingly. You stood on the value of PFDJ and we stood against it. Can you take our difference as an ideological differences and debate respectfully. When your debate falls on the trap of personality attack, you lose your respect. Because some one has different view from you and has different reading on the policy of Ethiopian government doesn’t mean an Ethiopian stooge. Take this as an advice will help you in shaping and broadening your political view. Sooner or later, You will understand that you could learn from the opposite view of argument. Have a good one till then.

          • Ted

            Nitricc, what make you think Hayat is not Eritrean. His take on TPLF is bizarrely interesting. i want know who i am talking to.

          • Abinet

            Ted
            I think you need my help in debating Hayat. This person is an eritrean who LOVES her country and, bizarrely, doesn’t HATE ethiopia. Extremely unique and lethal combination if you ask me

          • Ted

            Abinet, jump in please. My argument with him is not about him loving Ethiopia but TPLF. He goes to unnecessary length to show me EPDRF is real. He loves his TPLF.

          • Hayat Adem

            Ted,
            Is “him” me? Why are addressing me that way? And why are you saying that I went to great length to show you the realness of EPRDF before I even start anything?

          • Ted

            Hayat sorry for addressing you “him”, not meant to offend.
            ” TPLF earns it and is surviving as a best performer not by mere control and manipulation. As I see it, there will never be a healthy change in Ethiopia that doesn’t have EPRDF as a participant actor” .

          • Hayat Adem

            I guess first impressions are sometimes not the best ones. I may have been misled about your personality depth when you said something in defense of the turtle.’ዓፍራ ኣይትርገጽ’ ኢሉ ነበረ ባርያ- ኣጋጊኻኒ መዓረይ፡)

          • Hayat Adem

            “…bizarrely, doesn’t HATE ethiopia”
            And how bizarre is that? How bizarre is for Eritreans the default perception towards Eritreans is fixed with hating Ethiopia and not hating becomes an exceptional rather than normal? This is not an easy matter to live with for me. It makes me sleepless. This has to change and nothing is dearest to me than seeing this canard wing removed and replaced with the natural fraternity, the only truth between these two noble peoples..

          • guest

            since when tplf is =ethiopia?

          • Ted

            it is not 100 years old story were you have bury your head in library to find out. TPLf is happening right in front of us . You quoted him for nothing other than to say TPLF is transforming Ethiopia. I am sure he is knowledgeable in some form of history, but not like you bro, who is in the thick of things in our current affairs. Don’t blame me for bringing a knife in a gun fight.

          • Ted

            Hi there Hayat. The fact thing is very murky to begin with in a political opinion debate. There is no tangible figure one can play with but i will give you this to disprove. “Minority ethnic domination of the military in Ethiopia’ i am sure you have come across this publishing before. Google it and get back to me.

          • Hayat Adem

            Ted,
            I cannot disprove negative. I am not going to do that. You come with your substantiated facts, whatever you want or on the ones you already asserted, I will react to that. First state your claim and provide your supporting evidence. Do it and come complete. This is how you started it: “FACT: TPLF( only 5%) rule by brute force and Ethiopians highly resent that”. If you thought it was murky, then don’t say it with authority the way you put it above. Now, we have options: You can stay on the issue you declared as a fact and take the burden of showing it to me (us) as is or go to back to your drawing board and refine it or bring another one you think is easier for you to establish and consolidate. We’ll take it from there.

          • Ted

            How is it negative 98+ from one region after 24 yrs in power and 15 yrs after Eritrea-Ethiopia war. I surpassed your 5% just by this data. Don’t wiggle out of debate because it is too hot to touch or not convenient to your point of view.

            Senior Command Posts

            1. Chief of Staff, General, Samora Yunus, Tigre
            2. Training Department, Lt. General Tadesse Worede, Tigre
            3. Logistics Department, Lt. General Geazi Abera, Tigre
            4. Military Intelligence Department, Brg. General Gebredela, Tigre
            5. Operations Department, Lt. General Gebre Egziabiher, Tigre
            6. Engineering Department, Lt. General Berhane Negash, Tigre
            7. Air force, Brg. General Mola Haile Mariam, Tigre

            Heads of the four commands

            1. Central Command, Lt. General AbebawTadesse, Agew
            2. Northern Command, Lt. General Seare Mekonnen, Tigre
            3. South Eastern Command, Maj. General Abraha W. Gabriel, Tigre
            4. Western Command, Brg. General Siyoum Hagos, Tigre

            Division Commands
            1. 31st Division Commander, Colonel Tsegaye Marx, Tigre
            2. 33rd Division Commander, Colonel Kidane, Tigre
            3. 35th Division Commander, Colonel Misganaw Alemu, Tigre
            4. 24th Division Commander, Colonel Work Aieynu, Tigre
            5. 22nd Division Commander, Colonel Dikul, Tigre
            6. 14th Division Commander, Colonel Woedi Antieru, Tigre
            7. 21st Divison Commander, Colonel Gueshi Gebre, Tigre
            8. 11th Division Commander, Colonel Workidu, Tigre
            9. 25th Division Commander, Colonel Tesfai Sahel, Tigre
            10. 20th Division Commander, Colonel, Teklai Klashin, Tigre
            11. 8th Mechanized Division, Colonel Jemal Mohamed, Tigre
            12. 4th Mechanized Division, Colonel Hintsaw Giorgis, Tigre

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          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Ted,
            Let me organize it this way:
            1) Is it correct to say you stated “FACT: TPLF( only 5%) rule by brute force and Ethiopians highly resent that”?
            2) Is it fair to say your main evidence to support the assertion in (1) is because you believe the Ethiopian army generals at the top are dominated “98+ [%] from [TPLF or Tigray] after 24 yrs in power”?
            3) Is it fair to say this argument of army commandership domination of yours in (2) is supported mainly by the data you listed above as number of Generals and Colonels from Tigray?
            Respond by “yes” if I capture your views correctly or edit and improve and post it back for me.
            Hayat

          • Ted

            The consolidation of Military power by their own Ethnic group assures them the continuation of the facade. It is a deterrence and intimidating strategy for now and when push comes to shave the gloves will come off . TPLF can’t afford to lose and never will take a chance passing Military power. Case in point, The Agazi Military mascaraing protesters after TPLF lost the 2005 election. Yes.

          • Hayat Adem

            Ted,

            1) yes or no, please. No commentary before we establish your argument lines.

            2) or you can pick the one you said above (reproduced below) as your departure point should that be your choice.
            “The consolidation of Military power by their own Ethnic group assures them the continuation of the facade. It is a deterrence and intimidating strategy for now and when push comes to shave the gloves will come off . TPLF can’t afford to lose and never will take a chance passing Military power. Case in point, The Agazi Military mascaraing protesters after TPLF lost the 2005 election.”

          • Ted

            Hayat, read it again to the end. You are stickler alright, i thought you are the smartest one. Nitricc think you might not be Eritrean, any comment.

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay, Ted, this is what the Germans call “retreat forward”. So much for your tornadolike vaunt about “Ted’s facts”. Next time, say only what you mean and mean what you say. Now, you are free to go.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,

            The same song TPLF is equal to EPRDF is not good argument. EPRDF is the ruling party. Please if you are serious person, go and make personal research to make a plausible argument. If you want to make political criticism please do, but to the ruling party which is EPRDF. The military you listed are not the ruling civilian government. That is not an argument. In other words you are telling us, the listed military officers are the offials who run the affair of the state. Ted that is not the analytical Eritrean mind. There are many issues you could make solid argument.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, It is exactly my point, Because you said EPRDF is a ruling party, it doesn’t make it true. It is a facade. The distribution of power in a Military should represent a country. Ethiopian army has 98% Tigray Generals at the top, it is no brainier to conclude the army belongs to TPLF not EPRDF or Ethiopia. You can’t ignore the elephant in the room.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Ted,

            I will use your reasoning and ask you back the same questions. In the current regime of Eritrea, the highest percentage of “generals and colonels” in the military are from the highland. Does that imply the ruling regime is only from the highland? Can we call it the christian regime? I expect you to answer without being a hypocritical. If your answer is yes, even though you will be wrong, but you will be still consistent with what you have said about Ethiopia, which says the “Ethiopian army is 98 % Tigray generals at the top” hence TPLF is the ruling party. Now I will make you alert; think carefully before you try to answer fas this determines your scope of knowledge what runs the state affairs of a nation.

          • Ted

            I don’t condone what Shaebia is doing in managing our national affairs, It s a military state no better than TPLF. Those with the same feathers flock together. There is no surprise there even if i take what you said as a whole truth.

          • Binieam

            Amanuel Hidrat

            Well said. In an Interview with ESAT, former US ambassador to Ethiopia David Shinn was asked about the domination of a single ethnic in the Ethiopian government, he stated that all ethnic groups were well represented in the government but mentioned the security apparatus as showing domination by the TPLF.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,

            Once you are immersed yourself in to (a) “perceptional politics” and (b) “conspiratorial-politics,” it is very hard to have a conducive debate that we can learn each other and come in to plausible common understanding. That has been all long the nature of Eritrean politics. Say for instance if you go into a round table discussion or negotiation with that kind of political attitudes, what kind of result will one expect from that table? In political diplomacy, you play by the book, knowing you give something to, and take something from the table. If we watch Ethiopia or TPLF always with an eye of conspiracy there is no room of development in the relation of the two people. Think about it carefully, what is good for our people and peace in the region.

            regards,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ted,
            .
            I do want to pose a question here. Is it not insulting to all other Ethiopians and crown super man status to Tigreans, to state what you stated. Even if they have a comparative advantage at this stage, wouldn’t you prefer the current Ethiopian march forward than looking for the unknown.
            .
            All the regional government members with their technocrats together with non Tigrean EPRDF members and their assistants are looking for orders from TPLF sounds a little too fantastic to me. If there is a concrete example or scenario that makes sense, I am all ears. What I see, granted from a distance, is an Ethiopia at peace with itself and registering remarkable achievements. Your turn.
            I am not a TPLF member, I am Amhara from Shoa, if that helps to keep the conversation focused.
            .
            K.H

          • Ted

            KIm, You can’t insult Ethiopians any harder than this. Do you know the story about two stranded men in the forest. A cowardly man tells his friend to shut up while the hyena is chewing his own leg.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ted,
            .
            I guess I have to settle for answers you give to foreigners on the subject elsewhere. However, my question still stand.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            HGDEF need Ethiopia more than any thing especially the current TPLF reigime is a gift from heaven. IA depends on TPLF on many fronts.
            And TPLF needs IA when their polling numbers are bad they need IA to moblize their people.

          • Hayat Adem

            Speaking of a Turtle, I got a political joke for you.
            While stitching a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old farmer, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to politicians and their role as our leaders.
            The old farmer said, “Well, as I see it, most politicians are ‘Post Tortoises’.”
            Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post tortoise’ was.
            The old farmer said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a tortoise balanced on top, that’s a post tortoise.”
            The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain.
            “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, he’s elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of idiot put him up there to begin with.”

          • Kokhob Selam

            which horizon, Hmmm ድሮ በህጻንነቴ ኣንድ ጳውሎስ ነኞ የሚባል የማደንቀው ጋዜጠኛ ነበር and now you are the replacement , ታሪክ ሲደጋገም ልበል ወይስ ሰውየው ተውለደ ?

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            I was showing my admiration to Horizon.
            I and the great Paulos Gnogno in the same sentence?
            Kokobe, I have to tell you this;
            Do you know it was Paulos Gnogno who defended Meles about the flag in 1991? When miles called the flag a “cheq ”
            I tell you it takes a lot of confidence and courage to defend meles or anything EFRDF in those days.
            We lost both great people. RIP.

          • Kokhob Selam

            that is true Abinet. I love both great men. I do love Horizon, and wish him long life. Just let us learn form him. and with all differences I have with you, I respect and admire you too.

            in doing so I have brought you to unconditional love that we want to have with Habesha people and the world. the earth school is wonderful Abinet.

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,

            You are among the people I respect a lot. I feel as if I have known you for a long time, and I see you as a good friend.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Horizon, people are all connected and one at last. this is what the people don’t know, when they start to recognize this no one will hurt any other. they will feel every thing others feel.

            you and me have discussed long back everything that is in here today. we came to know we are one family, and since then politics couldn’t make us different and it will never create distance among us.

          • Abinet

            Kokobe
            It is an honor to hear this from you. The feeling is mutual.
            Yeqenyeley

          • Dear Hayat Adem,

            You brought to my memory the story of the turtle and the hare (rabbit), we used to read when we were small children. Both decided to compete in a race. While the turtle was still near the beginning, the hare had already covered half the distance, and chose to rest instead of finishing the course, seeing that there was no need to hurry. Unfortunately, the rabbit fell asleep, and while he was in deep slumber, the slow but determined turtle had covered the distance, and it was almost at the final destination, when the rabbit woke-up. Seeing that he had remained behind, he put all his effort to overtake the
            turtle, but to no avail.

            Therefore, it is not always the speed or the skills with which one believes that he/she is bestowed with that matters most, but the determination to do and
            succeed.

        • Nitricc,

          REAL democracy (as you put it), where citizens are fully masters of their fate, does not exist either in Ethiopia or Eritrea, or probably in no other country for that matter. Democracy is relative (A. Hidrat), is much nearer to
          the reality. Even Developed Democracies as in Europe and the USA, have yet a long way to go to call themselves Real Democracies, let alone Eritrea and Ethiopia.

          Of course, no one can speak of democracy in the Eritrean context, while in Ethiopia, there is what we call a fledgling democracy. Eritrea has yet to start
          implementing democracy, while Ethiopia has to develop it, and make it robust.

          I can understand why you are asking such question. You are of the opinion (if I am not mistaken) that, with TPLF (a minority) as the kingmaker, how is it possible to speak of democracy in Ethiopia. The point is that although far from being satisfactory, there are signs of a nascent democracy in Ethiopia, contrary to what we see in Eritrea. Right or wrong, in Ethiopia’s case, developmental state seems to have been given priority over democracy. (I wish somebody enlightened us on this subject, the rationale behind this philosophy, and its pros and cons.)

          This is my opinion, Nitricc.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hey, this is not complete answer. you are too kind. It is a crime to try it even as before reaching that all, Eritrea don’t have even the feudal system -or there is nothing to talk about system at all.it is unthinkable to talk about democracy in Eritrea.

  • Eyob Medhane

    I am in a different opinion with many here, including my compatriots and the writter himself. I don’t see any problem that Ato Abay mentioning his triumph, trials and tribulations with different political opponents during the early stage of the armed struggle. He did not call for a revenge, now he is in a better place. He did not differentiate between Ethiopian oppositions and Eritrean one. He did not demand an apology from these groups for for fighting him. He just said, how it was, and who he had to fight to get where he is now. In fact, I see the writter holding grudge and demanding never to be mentioned in a darker light by anyone. Ato Abay’s comment seems to be a passing one to explain the stages of the struggle and who were the actors of that struggle of the opposite sides. Stories like that don’t belong only in a library and museums as the writter suggests, but also in occasions to commemorate the struggle. I am not for glossing over certain important truth, if the speaker deems them appropriate to tell them. We also need to remember that Abay Weldu is not part of the new breed of leaders of TPLF/EPRDF. He was part of that struggle. He may have lost close friends, comrades or relatives, during the fight with these groups. He himself may have been shot at. He himself personally may have been victimized. Therefore, as human emotions dictate it, he should at least be allowed to vent in what ever venue and whatever manner he chooses. He doesn’t have to bite his tangue forever for being politically correct to be falsely polite, while there is something he feels important to be told. That is what I think….

  • selam
  • Abraham Hanibal

    What about this one Mr. Amde? ኤርትራ መሬታ እምበር ህዝባ ኣየድልየናን’ዩ.

    • Amde

      Ato Abraham,

      Assuming this was actually said and was not recruiting propaganda, can you point to any planned and organized act with the sole intent of eliminating Eritreans? Please remember that during the Emperor’s time even as there was counter insurgency, life in the government administered cities were generally not bad. The supposedly “genociding” government still hired teachers, bureaucrats and government functionaries, run schools, clinics and justice systems, collected taxes, paid salaries etc.. all the normal functions of a government. That sounds like a very inefficient form of genocide to me. You would be in trouble for opposing the government of course but not genocide.

      Amde

      • Abraham Hanibal

        In my view, the occupation of Eritreans with the ensuing killings, imprisonments, disappearances, burning of villages, etc is a genocide committed against the Eritrean people. The occupying Ethiopian power was not in Eritrea for a picnic.

      • Hope

        Dear Amde:
        What a crap!
        Yeteghodda biresa yeteghodda ayresam!
        It happened: it is a historical fact.
        Swallow the bitter truth, accept it.
        Apologize and ask for forgiveness and do your best not to repeat the same mistake….. And move on!

    • Abel

      The truth is, Ethiopia doesn’t need neither Eritrean land nor its people.We prefer to stay at arms length.

      • Abraham Hanibal

        But the fact is that is Ethiopia had spent half a century trying to incorporate Eritrea into it, in the process suffering untold losses. Ethiopia to this day defies to abide by its signature and continues to occupy sovereign Eritrean territories.

        Abel; you cannot say “Ethiopia doesn’t need neither Eritrean land nor its people”, while at the same time your country refuses to vacate Eritrean lands.

  • selam

    Surprise surprise , I am really happy that you are able to say all what you said. Except the fact that you have a derogatory name by awate.com ‘s moderator dictionary. I did not lie to misiform , I said what is real and acute problem of your hardliners leaders thinking. Please invite all your tigraionline.com friends and see awate.com.

  • said

    One can learn from history of many nation . upon reading part of an excellent book by Anthony Everitt entitled: “THE RISE OF ROME: the Making of the World’s Greatest Empire;” the book contains pas mal of detailed narratives in this voluminous work that are eye openers and can partially give answers to some of the questions raised in regard ERA and ETH issue. When read in tandem with other relevant scholarly works on this topic, mainly Yale Historian Paul Kennedy’s “The Rise and Fall of the Great Empires,” 1988.

    Personally, I think empires are born mostly by mere circumstance, rather very opportune circumstances that develop, rather nurture and instill the requisite prowess, mostly military prowess that gradually give them distinct advantage over their environs, over the surroundings that would in turn ultimately thrust them to dominate their regional environs and subsequently the world at large.

    An excellent well-investigated book by a British Scholar on the Rise of Genghis Khan that went into the very details of a conducive local environment, in Mongolia, in terms of natural endowments, primitive as they were, however, provided a unique military edge permitting the rise of Mongol Power in the 12th century. It was simply unique environmental local conditions that provided a natural edge for the Mongols to ultimately conquer the ancient world.

    The swift military successes against equal or less equal opponent armies improve and hone the military prowess of the ascending nascent empire as they succeed in vanquishing the more disparate, although possibly mighty opponent armies. In this regard one can relate to the rise of the Islamic Kalefah in the late seventh early 8th centuries. Having acquired fierce battle trainings in successive Desert wars against the local opponent Infidel Tribes, the winning Islamic forces equipped with the deep sense of duty of proselytizing the New Religion to the world, with well observed high moral ethos and austerity, the Muslims’ drive saw them as liberator from roman and Persian domination and consolidate their hold on most of the ancient world.

    However, Empires, like human mortals, go through the four stages of rise and decay: Infancy (Born by conducive unique circumstance); Adulthood (the Zenith of physical prowess); Middle Age (the start of the decline) and the Twilight of Age (Fall Decline).

    It is the zeal and great discipline equipped with conducive unique circumstance that cause Empires to rise and force their thrust. As Empires start maturing, giving to extravaganza and the spoils of life mostly enjoyed by the privileged ruling upper classes of descendants of the vaqueros: rules become lax; court intrigues and power struggle ultimately lead to the decay of empires. Empires by the nature of their makings through general vast acquisition of new territories and different new people are suggestive of ruling over an amalgam of multi-ethnic; multi-cultural; multi-sectarian; even multi-color constituencies of a melting pot whose allegiance is mostly assured by deterrence and the force of Security apparatuses at the disposal of the Central Authority.

    Yale Historian Professor Paul Kennedy examining the Rise and Fall of a number of world powers/empires from around the 1500 A.D. to the closing of the 20th century put it succinctly on failing economics to meet the expanding needs of overstretched military that in turn leads to the start of the fall of the Empire.

    The French Historian, philanthropist & Sociologist best-selling author Emmanuel Todd who brilliantly predicted the Fall of the Soviet Union in his book “La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique (The Final Fall: An essay on the decomposition of the Soviet sphere) (1976), is predicting a similar fate is attending the American Empire in his best-selling book “After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (French: Après L’Empire: essai sur la décomposition du système américain) is a 2001.

    However, the difference with the US that keeps it an Empire ever capable of reinventing itself is the exceptional resilience the American Empire still massive recourses and possesses in terms of its advanced and well developed legal system and its ability to mobilize extensive resources of venture capital and human resources .

  • ‘Gheteb

    And you are full of love for Eritreans? Oh, let me add that you are also so informed that you have the gall to characterize others here such as (Nitricay and Selam). Let me ask you this: Which world do you live in to feel so full of yourself. A little humility will do you a lot of good!

  • Taazabiw

    reply to Gheteb & Kokeb’s opinions
    below.
    Well I saw some people celebrating and dancing
    ” wogah tibel Leyti style ” of events of 40 years ago
    then I said,
    to myself…..
    W…..h……a…..t ………?
    Sorry could have missed some of the opinions the last 2 days on
    Awate……..I didn’t turn on my computer the last two days !!

  • ‘Gheteb

    YG has disappeared from his ‘cyber habitue’ (read asmarino com) and the phantasmagorical crap he wrote about the Eritrean Gedli and his pipedreams of seeing ‘The Greater Habesha Interdependence” which SAAY has aptly dubbed as ” Habeshastan” has not only NOT gained traction, but it has disappeared into thin air. Now you want to bring back YG’s crass historical revisionism here? Are you kidding me or do you love to perpetually live in a dream land?

  • said

    In all situations one most sincerely wishes Ethiopia and its people continuous prosperity, democracy
    ,inclusiveness ,security and political stability.

  • Kokhob Selam

    dearest Taazabiw, sorry the cart might be there forever but the horse is dead even before the Ghedli starts. the horse that says our revolution was wrong will never be alive now and in the future.

  • K Mohammed

    There was no need to scratch old wounds. The speech clearly shows that none of us has moved or progressed to forgive and forget. We all carry wounds that never had a chance to heal. As the founder of Interpeace Matthias Stiefel stated, “Unless they are healed, wounds inflicted on a person or a people carry on in history. Over time the wounds become collective mythology that drives one ethnic group against another,one religious group against another” . It appears some politicians can not simply let wounds of history heal for various reasons.

  • Yoty Topy

    I hope you are using Fahrenheit to measure your room temperatures brother . If that’s the case,I think will do okay since I live in an area with an annual average temperature of 117’f.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Yoty, to whom are you replying? why don’t you put it under the comment so we will know. I am in 0’c.Lol

      • Yoty Topy

        Hi Kokhob,

        Ye jib chikul…:)

        That was intended for Gheteb. Wanna know how you can get a combined IQ of 234′ ?:)

        • Kokhob Selam

          ኣረ ! ምን ኣስቸገረህ ?ለማነኛውም ይመችህ ኣቦ!

  • ‘Gheteb

    Why is ‘everyone’ piling on Selam!
    Sure, Selam is posting a cavalcade of comments and posts that may sometimes appear hasty, reactive and not well thought of and ,yes, her comments cascade in a rapid succession. I am not asking anyone to like and approve Selam’s tack as this may not be everyone’s cup of tea. However, let us be honest here. Anyone with the minutest amount of grey matter or even with a room temperature IQ can’t fail to discern, nay, divine that some are here at Awate.com to drive, push and sometimes even attempt to foist their jaundiced version not only of ‘their’ history, but ‘our’ very own history. Let me also add that those who are piling on Selam are not innocent,either. Their vile grandstanding and their crass opportunism that takes the ‘Clintonian triangulation’ to an absolute nadir is nauseating, to say the least. But that is fine, as we are all here in what is called ‘the ideas market’ where untrammeled flow of ideas is valued greatly. I believe that, in so far as Selam is not flagrantly and willfully violating this esteemed website, Awate.com, guidelines and rules, I don’t seen even a smidgen of a rational that why the clip (rate) at which Selam is responding has to become such a humongous issue. I have to admit that I like Selam’s viscerally unadulterated and in your face take of issues pertaining Eritrea. That is one of “The Eritrean attributes” that many are attempting to efface here and I hope that Selam is not discouraged at all. I say to Selam: You go girl!

    • Ted

      I see Selam as well behaved participant. She does’t response vulgarity in kind. For some, if you don’t participate in their mudslinging, you are covert shaebia. She has been called that many times here. If the opposition has some thinking brain left( most of it clogged by hate), selam’s comment could be a good asset as to how bring change in Eritrea.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Ted,

        For people like Nitricc, Hope, and…………….. (you fill it) yes it is a good asset.

        tes

        • Ted

          What is with you and Selam. She brings bipolar out of you for obvious reasons. One minute you are cool with her another minute she dished out the inconvenient truth you go ballistic. Will i get a star if i fill my name in the blank.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Ted,

            With selam, it is not because I wanted peace with her but for the respect of Awate Readers that I am communicating in a cool manner (if you detect that) but I am not cool with her at all. If I am cool with her I will be cool with PFDJ system. And this is not my objective. Till the PFDJ system and hence mindset is weeded-out, I will not. My ballistic are always bombing like the hail. Unfortunately, selam is the victim. There is no way to make her free. In this regard, there is no bipolarity. If you sense bipolar in me on other areas, let you help me to be consciousness but make sure that it is outside the PFDJ saga.

            tes

        • Hope

          Proud to be Slam’s brother!

  • selam

    Many of you think that people inside eritrea do not have the choice or the skill to debate for what they feel about Eritrea and HGDEF. Some of you love to give advice how to respond as if this is a 101 metrics class in MIT university.

    Some times what is fact and not is debated in awate.com according to your book. For example awate.com do not allow the word agame and they think it is derogatory word. They tell you what they want to see and if you do not follow they tell you “you are not needed here or you are the supporter of HGDEF” . They love to post articles about weyane 40th anniversary than our own struggle. If you post any thing bad about weyane they will tell you ,this is linear targeted to weyane so better stop. I can understand where you people want to take the website and i do hope you win on that. But to dismantle Eritrean history and start from new is not the way forward. We Eritreans will not manipulated again we have enough of that. Some of you think as if the eritrean people is not looking and even not listning to what is going on. We do know every thing.
    HGDEF may be controlling our daily life at this time but not our head not our wish.

    To Kokhob here is how to debate in public

    Don’t be deferent!

    A lot of your time on the floor will be spent responding to both judges and your opposition, and some participants fall down in retreating from their original assertions when confronted by criticism from the panel of experts. In my experience, confidence in defending your arguments from the criticisms made by the judges is critical in the overall result. Don’t be afraid of offending them! Some of the most successful teams pick up a lot of points in criticising the focus of the judges’ questions. Answer them directly, but don’t let them subvert or change the course of what you’re trying to say. Tackle them head on.

    Be Bold!

    Often, people will try to interpret a debate too narrowly. The debates are carefully selected so that there are good arguments to be made on either side, narrowing the debate could show a lack of understanding or confidence, so grasp the debate fully and be bold in what you say. Often a strong position can bring out the issues at the heart of the debate, allowing you to flourish more visibly with your coherent arguments!

    Don’t back down!

    Unfortunately for some of us, during the competition we can often find ourselves arguing for motions with which we disagree. Far too many competitors, in realising this, seek to compromise with their position in order to reach a more balanced, ‘neutral’ sentiment. It’s understandable, but fundamentally not an effective way of winning the argument in Debating Matters. The judges will be looking for your ability to take your argument to its ultimate logical conclusion, and defend the most radical of suggestions with skill. If you see your opposition succumbing to this desire to extend the olive branch, do not hesitate to get stuck in.

    Statistics are good but…

    Use them to support your points but beware! It is very easy to find statistics from your perspective but be prepared to back them up with multiple sources and always cite your references and sources. It is very easy to become over reliant on them, so don’t depend on them. There is a good balance between arguments and evidence, so try and aim for a good mix with statistics only when needed.

    Know your argument

    Know your argument, but be flexible with it. It is quite possible that somebody will offer a new perspective on your argument. This does not necessarily directly contradict what you have said, but might prove a good discussion point. The ability to respond to these new ideas, while linking them to your original argument, will demonstrate the ability to listen, think, and respond to different points.

    • Kokhob Selam

      you may find thousands of books on the subject. it is not only debating here in awate, learning is there also. teaching is there also, a lot of discipline to learn here sister,

      now ask yourself if you were , did I knew my argument, were I bold, was I different, was I flexible, etc. that is all I am saying.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear selam,

      There is a big difference between being a supporter of PFDJ and being PFDJ. There is no doubt from which dimension you are coming. Sorry but there is no option but to destroy you. But destroying you does not mean to kill you. it is to “weed-out” your temple.

      tes

      • selam

        Tesfe , here you go again , why are you going after me any way ? tell me ?
        I know you can not destroy me by any means , I am free girl who does not believe in the words you are saying. You have done nothing more than me to show your opposition to HGDEF. show the things i supported HGDEF. I am not like you who said china obey international norms and so more.
        I am not some one that goes to Eritreans schools who aspire socialism and communism at its best.
        I am not what you think are.

        Challenge me with points and support the things you are saying to me with prove.

        Let me see what they (awate.com Moderator say about your consecutive attack to me )

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Selam,

          I dont know if I am wise enough to give advice around here…..but i can say, it would be helpful if you, sometimes, compose your comments before posting them. At times, it seems you are jumping from one point to another which makes your argument hard follow (and someone would say, you are following confuse them if you can’t convince them approach).

          I want to stress that I dont mean to limit your rights in anyway, just an observation….

          Best,

          FS.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear FS,

            Her mission is to confuse and distract discussions. I spotted her from the time I started to react with her. Remember, I am applying Newton’s law towards selam. It is not what I wanted but what I am forced.

            tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Tes,

            I dont know if that the best way to interact, Newtonial Law or not. I think you could do better.

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear FS,

            I have an non-reconcilatory approach towards PFDJ system. For a note.

            tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Tes,

            Ok.

            Best,

            FS.

        • Hope

          Simple solution:
          Avoid and ignore each other but respect each others’ opinion…
          Tes,
          Why would you care about one ” poor” individual trying to have a say here in this open forum,which belongs to of us equally provided we follow the posting guidelines?
          It does not make any sense and am not sure where U got that time and stamina !

      • Ted

        It not like Selam needs defending, she doesn’t need it but who are you to” weed-out” who. You have exalted sense of importance to the project of change.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Ted,

          I will weed to whom ever s/he has the mindset of PFDJ. For the later, you are saying it by yourself.

          tes

          • selam

            show me prove that i stated or said about HGDEF any positive.

            Of course i have said about the opposition , i mean many opposition groups have made many mistakes in failing to mobilize the Eritrean people inside and out side and they continue to do so. But i do not jump and say these are bad opposition and we need to go with IA , I have never ever said such.
            You always blaff and flip flopp all over with out any prove. I am a realistic person. I do not live in a babble.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            I wish you said good (positive) things about PFDJ. There is nothing wrong in saying positive is positive and negative is negative when it is, There are some undeniable positive achievements registered under the brutal system of PFDJ but they are almost turning zero because of the over all assessments,The question about PFDJ is not about accomplishments, it is about their system. What I am on you is your PFDJ mindset.

            tes

          • selam

            I am in Eritrea now and i do not see any good at all. There is nothing good that HGDEF does in Eritrea , i am saying zero .

            Back to point one , so how came you read my mindset with out finding any thing from my posts that supports your case ? Tell me . what is that pushing you to come after me again and again ? I am sure you have never ever met me and saw me in my entire life.

            Am i being stupid to any one ? do you feel that way ? if i did i am really sorry .
            I am sure you will find some bad but true posts about Ethiopian regime , But i am not sure if Abinet , T.K and others have bad feeling about me .

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            You are not doing stupid thing. If you are doing it, I will say it as I did to some. Rather, you are doing your mission. You might be from Asmara and you are in the right place to accomplish your mission. Remember, in Asmara, it is 3:25 AM. Fool to innocent people. And if you are there, I know your office because I know people with the same mission like you.

            tes

          • selam

            Tesfe i do not need some one to tell me when to sleep and what time. I am exactly in a place where i work and where i sleep , if you want to tell HGDEF about my internet access go and tell them. Even if you tell them they have no the know how to know my internet access . I am telling no one even from your place can never track me.

            But again to point number one .What is that you see in me ? i am really saying this just as a sister because i do feel we have common goal but i could not figure out why is this all fall out, and why me ?

          • selam

            Tesfe i do not need some one to tell me when to sleep and what time. I am exactly in a place where i work and where i sleep , if you want to tell HGDEF about my internet access go and tell them. Even if you tell them they have no the know how to know my internet access . I am telling no one even from your place can never track me.

            But again to point number one .What is that you see in me ? i am really saying this just as a sister because i do feel we have common goal but i could not figure out why is this all fall out, and why me ?

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            You asked me one of the simplest question in fact. Well, I see you as pure as PFDJ mindset. As for your office, well, by the way, I didn’t tell you to sleep. Even here in France it is 1:41 AM. It is too late. but, I am talking on the access you are endowed with. You are doing a good service selam habtey. I appreciate your mission. But keep in your mind “for every action, there is equal and opposite reaction.”

            Saying this, I don’t want again awate readers to becomed bored.

            There is a very good discussion and I will leave the floor to them. You know, I am the least knowledgeable person here at awate on Ethiopian politics.

            T.Kifle, Amde, Kim Hana, Eyob, Destaa, the old man Abinet with eyeglass, etc, are doing great. It is a blessing for having them with us.

            tes

            ++ By the way, you are telling them by yourself, (you know what I mean) and they are reading every post you put. Why should then I tell someone that I hate for his anti-information. I wish PFDJ opened Eritrea to all who can openly critise them being in Asmara.

          • selam

            so you accept the fact that you blame me for nothing .but you want typing exercise.
            I have said from the beginning , you just blame me and blame me and blame me for nothing
            Think about it. Why you do that ?

            I could care less about ethiopian politics if i was from mexico or Afghanistan but unlucky me i am Eritrean and i do think we both Ethiopian and Eritreans should look to one another especially the young generation.To have hope that we will live together one day. if not who cares what the moron says . From the beginning i have told you and all that TPLF and HGDEF will nver stop pointing fingers and that is true.

            But that does not make some one young from Eritrea or Ethiopia to twist or paint history.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            I am not blaming you. I am destroying your PFDJ mindset.

            Did you say, “…all that TPLF and HGDEF will nver stop pointing fingers …”? When are you going to stop pointing fingers to TPLF by the way? Just curious to know.

            tes

          • selam

            When you stop twisting , i will really stop pointing.
            What is this mind set thing you get ?

            are not you married ? I am jocking.
            You could not find any prove to blame me and yet you have this … i have no idea just balming me for no reason , stop it ok. Just stop it ,

            i will hate you for going every where i go. I am extermy ugly face.

          • Abinet

            Selam
            No bad feeling at all. Why?
            Ajoki/ajoka
            How is my Tigrinya?

          • Selam

            Thanks .

            Your Tigrinya is great , but i am the least expert on Tigrinya.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            Op, Lie detected.

            tes

          • selam

            I am not that expert that is true . Now i have told you need to stop going after me . Stop it
            You are making me uncomfortable with your big glasses on your nose , jocking again

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            This is a real joke from you. Oh yes, my mission on you will not end though by only making you unfomfortable. I told you, “I know how to handle you” did you forget that? I wish I could have extended my hand to hug you, not lucky PFDJ lady. I will only come and pick you when you confess otherwise, let you be destroyed.

            tes

          • selam

            You are hallow Tesfe , you can not bring prove when people ask. You just run all over . what is this ? can any one from awate.com help me understand this person complex understanding ?

            what is exactly that you will do to me ? tell me you are not a man enough .
            From now please stop rreplying to me , you seems psychopathic .

            respect respect

          • Abinet

            Prof Tes
            Please stop for a moment and read the conversation b/n Ato Saleh ,Amde, destaa and learn and if possible teach. Sometimes it is good enough just to read .

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Abinet,

            Too late to remind me. But don’t worry when I deal with PFDjites like selam, Nitricc and alike. They deserve no respect.

            tes

          • Peace!

            Abinet,

            You remind me an Ethiopian Awatista his name is Eyob, he is smart guy, but he despises his own identity, and tries to portray himself as Amharai so bad for no reason.

            Regards

          • Abinet

            Kemey, kemey?
            Anta dehan do?
            If you are talking about Eyob Medhane, he never ever pretend to be an Amhara. He always tells he is from eritrean origin. I think he grew up in shashemene.
            If you are asking about me, I’m Amhara from Gonder origin, born and raised in addis. No need to pretend. As I said before in another occasion, I have never been proud or ashamed of being Amhara. There is absolutely nothing to it . It is just a chance. I didn’t choose it.
            YEQENYELEY

          • Peace!

            Ere, M’new T’ezbtien B’cha new Yakafelkut? Ewnetem Layhon Y’chelal, yene geta.

            Don’t get me wrong. I travel to Addis, and frequently witness an intense use of Amharic language in the streets of Addis by people from Mekele, even among themselves. Although I see nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained by Amharas under the current federal system, I found it very ironic, given the Tigray elites have pretty much controlled every thing the country has produced in the last twenty some years.

            regards

          • Hope

            Gonderie?
            You should be nice to me then!

          • Ted

            Tes,
            “For the later, you are saying it by yourself.” just giving you heads up for what it is worth.

        • Hope

          It is just a communication skill issue!
          Forgive !

      • Fnote Selam

        Dear Tes,

        That is so uncalled for.

        Thanks,

        FS.

  • Yoty Topy

    He looks the most unlikely candidate to head that organization. He is not charismatic ( not that it is a prerequisite to be a great leader) but also doesn’t seem to enjoy a popular support amongst the followers. My take on this is that he was throwing red meat to the ‘North’ wing of the party.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,

    Most of the time reading the articles and comments here is very interesting. The article above was examining and trying article, not only those fronts but even the one person, the reader. I don’t think EPLF was that bad to end controlled by PFDJ and there was always a possibility to change. the evidence is here simply watching EPLF can give us good example. with all it’s mistakes and crimes EPLF has done a wonderful work in history. though, I am completely made in ELF, (Lol ) I have done also my duty under EPLF and that is ok. EPLF is suppose to be better than TPLF. Today’s TPLF is not the same TPLF we know, just by joining other parties and opening the chance of participation, it has changed everything, some time individuals also play their wonderful role. we should not deny the role of Meles zeynawi. and those alive from TPLF. Ethiopia is no more going back. if change comes it will be for better.

    PFDJ is lawless who don’t know ethics of anything say it politics, business etc. but that doesn’t mean we Eritreans will remain back and we can’t change our situation. And sure things will be changed in near future without much disturbance.

    • guest

      Amen.

  • Ted

    As usual, the anti HGDEF sticklers spewing lies from both side of their mouth. Hating Shaebia is one thing but to cover up and deliberately twist the fact , Weyane is the most hated organization than Derg in Ethiopia, is malicious to say the least. We don’t need to do the of list of fast trains and high-rise building to support our argument rather how Ethiopians feel about Weyane for one reasons or another. Lekatit 11 was the celebration of Tigrayans and Ethiopians watch is with disgust and anger. This is the fact you can take it to the bank. It seems the Anti HGDEF group seem to lose hope( bad partners or lack of feasible plan) in achieving their goal rather changed to annoying little brats with sole objective of irritating people regardless how silly they look doing it. To be on the side of TPLF ignoring 95 million Ethiopians is absurd as progressive and calculating opposition groups. Shaebia supporting the majority of Ethiopians and the Anti HGDEF backing the minority TPLF, do see how the opposition shot themselves on the foot. Of coarse we all thought shaebia was a goner a while back when the West was against IA with blazing guns and the whole Sanction fiasco. That time is over when even TPLF could be a good partner. Anti-HGDEF need to stop riding a dead horse and smell a coffee. There are more options to create change in Eritrea; empowering the people to demand change like civil resistance( my personal choice).

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Ted,

      You sound as if Issayas has whispered on your ears when you say “That time is over when even TPLF could be a good partner.” For God sake, no one will oppose if both governments reconcile without going to another bloody war. But, the reality on the ground indicates, that the “no war no peace” strategy is good strategy for Issayas as a “hangover state of affairs” to continue in power.

      • Ted

        Don’t hang up on IA too much, it is limiting. All we need is to work with our own people. Actually ” no war no peace” strategy has increasingly made the Eritrean people disobedient to the rule of Shaebia. unfortunately the opposition took the wrong rout by siding with shady partners making Eritreans wary about the change to come , and lucky for shaebia, the people of Eritrea has no love for the opposition. And stop war mongering, there will no be war even between these strongly opposing Govs, the environment does’t allow it. Take some of your eggs from TPLF basket and put them in the hands of Eritrean people. It will do you good.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Ted, I am confused on this opposition thing, who are they? are they from Eritrea? if so aren’t you one of them? if you took wrong rout show us correcting it.

          • Ted

            Opposition to me are group of people or can be one like myself who oppose the way Eritrea is heading. You see Kokeb, you raised very important question. Who are the opposition. It is sad but a reality, those with media outlet have hijacked the essence of Eritrean “opposition” irregardless of our needs or the voice of the people. For example( since we are talking TPLF), this website’s editors has no problem with TPLF( please correct me if i am wrong) but a good deal of Eritreans have mistrust with TPLF and still knowing this fact “the opposition website” try to shove TPLF as divine in to our throat anyways. Don’t you think it is unfair. So why do the loudest ” Opposition” advocate for TPLF knowingly well that they are isolating a portion of people who can play an important role. My solution for question is empowering the people to demand change. Eritreans has mistrust with out side intervention( look around the uprising and the out comes) and it can be done with out sleeping with TPLF or the West for that matter.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ted,
            If you count your self in the opposition camp, be it in the organized or not, you have a common goal with them being against the reality in our Eritrea. The difference you could have with your colleagues in the opposition, on the issue of Ethiopia or TPLF is secondary or even tertiary. What you could try to do is, to prod us to focus on the internal issue that is all. That is the essence of debate in an organized format like this forum. You could control a debate to stay with the topic if is live only. Ted if you let me to give you a brotherly advice, soften your communication in order people to take you serious and have good fruitful engagement with them. Trust me if they are “oppositions” they will not sleep with the enemy of our people. Perceptional politics always misguide us and take us in to unnecessary personality exchange. After all because we are in the same basket “opposition” doesn’t mean we agree in every thing. How do you see it?

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Amanuel, “Trust me if they are “oppositions” they will not sleep with the enemy of our people”

            This is the concept i always grapple with: who are they to be a litmus tester for our destiny, to pick friends and enemy for us. Our problem is right in our face clear and simple to only be solved by us. The short cut engineers allowed the third party to derail it to the abyss as it is now. Believe it or not there is not clear understanding how to go about change in Eritrea. All you see is IA this and that childish talk. Always, there are some crooks and vindictive(individuals or organization) bundle up with genuine change seekers to f@@@ every thing up. I am at a loss to see things going forward. I am not categorically hater of everything shaebia and as the same time it has been long time past due, that we deserve a chance to govern ourselves.

            “soften your communication in order people to take you serious and have good fruitful engagement with them” All i am saying is, TPLF is not our the Knight in Shining Armor as they praise it to be rather ,AU CONTRAIRE.

            .

  • Saleh Johar

    Amde,

    That is if we have to abide by your definition, but we cannot change the definition of words according to our whims. I agree, there is a difference between a 100 people massacred and a 500, a 1000, a million. But that is the extent, it is the description of the size–it doesn’t change the fact that it is genocide–provided you abide by the dictionary definition of the term 🙂

    • Amde

      Saleh

      Please see destaa’s posting to you of the legal definition per the International Criminal Court. My posting was not about numbers but about intent.

      Thanks
      Amde

    • Nero

      Dear Abu Saleh,

      I just want to add to points made below by Amde and Destaa.

      Genocide is a legal term first and last. It was introduced to describe the definition that currently exists for it. So when we talk about Genocide we are actually talking about the definition as it appears in International law. Intent to destroy a group (defined by race, ethnicity…) is the most important element and what a group is where some contemporary mass killings are not considered as Genocide.

      Even Derg’s actions in the Red Terror do not amount to Genocide under this definition, despite EPRDF’s 20 yr old trial under the name. The group definition does not include belonging to a political group – which EPRP members that were targeted were accused of, nor can it be applied in Eritrea’s 30 years war – where Eritreans were only targeted for belonging to a political group.

      As Amde said there are no contemporary examples for it in our region. That is not to say in our region’s History there have not been instances of Genocidal incidents – that being one of the yet untouched issues.

      I don’t think it really helps the debate to label any incident that we feel victimises us and label it as a genocide.

      This word has been used as a rallying call by Ethnonationalists in Ethiopia – TPLFites in 2005, Amhara nationalists well since the early 2000s and the Oromos use it to describe Menelik’s campaign against the Arsi Oromo, and also to dispute current urban expansion in Ethiopia. The truth is this term is being used to derail debate and keep it confined in the hands of ethnonationalist elites – that is the case in Ethiopia.

      To see the same approach used in Eritrea to describe the Derg’s scorched earth tactics and heavy militaristic solutions to Eritrea’s liberation war is not to realize that it could be self defeating in the longrun. It will be hard to maintain the consistency of the argument – – especially when it can also be used in the sub-national (ethnonational) context to describe a sense of victimisation by one group on the other. Have not the Kunama raised this issue in some context?

      N

  • Olana

    Dear Awate
    Today’s article seems to be irrelevant for me. You are comparing two incomparable countries in many aspects. No need to mention them here as they are there visible to anyone. In the beginning of the article you tried to commend the economic development of Ethiopia while at the same time you informed us there are problems in good governance. I believe good governance, economic development and democracy (not the type of democracy in America) are not incompatible. They are mutually exclusive. If there is no good governance there will not be long lasting economic development. Be it a business organization or a country. IMF and WB have their own agendas and other developed countries for that matter.

    The core issue of your article that disappointed you and some of your readers was Abay’s speech about Jebha. Let me ask you some questions in Esayas Afowerki’s way. Isn’t it a fact that TPLF went to war with Jebha because of Jebha’s arrogances? Wasn’t Jebha stands on TPLF ways by supporting EDU and claiming territories that has never been
    under Eritrea or Italian colony like Adigrat and other places deep inside Tigray? Why do you think mentioning Jebha will create problems in the relationship of the two countries? These questions could be raised from a biased and one-sided and uninformed person. I wished he could also mention the cruel act of EPLF when they deny access thousands of starved women and children to Sudan through Eritrea.
    As a website you should make a thorough investigation and report the facts from both sides and help us to make reasonable judgment of the situation. Don’t try to be more Jebha than the jebha itself.

    The truth is that TPLF/EPRDF made Meles, not the other way round. So do not undermine the current leadership as they are fulfilling the objectives of TPLF diligently as Meles did. No more, no less.

    I agree with you that there is no need for bitterness and grudges for the things that happened in the past, but truth should be told.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Selam, I sometime stop everything and read my own comments. Then I see where I was emotional, and where I was really in control of what I wrote. some time I find I say things which I don’t mean it and sometime I learn the opposite side was correct but i was talking nonsense. it is ok, that is me and that is where I am but from there I start to correct things. really you will enjoy it if you do the same. when you do so remember to reread as someone else not as Selam (you). this is your elder brother’s advice.

    • selam

      Tell me ,you do not like all the accounted crime committed by TPLF to be posted here.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam, I am not commenting on the topic. I am advising you to do the same. You see I once had a small seminar that was given by British Telecom company. the small seminar of only 8 days was on how we should deal with our own self. the aim was to let us know our own self. so on that they teach us and show us the behavior of Physical centered, mental centered, and emotional centered, type of people. while everybody have all three but the centers are different from man to man and even the degree of the center is different. for your surprise each participant knew what his center is and in 2nd day it was how to deal in telecom market knowing what exactly is the center of the real man in front of you. the best lesson on this seminar was how to control and change your center (from e to p or from p to m etc.) the lesson was wide and expanding first knowing the three E,P,M and then changing from each to each so again using the other mans E,P,M etc

        in all the highly prepared lessons we were playing with out own mind. dealing with self is the first. that is interesting. I wish I have enough space and time and write all the lessons here. so please try that.

      • selam,
        Many people are telling you that your comments are encouraging other one-liner comments with no substance. You have been posting reactive comments. Anything is allowed here as long as it doesn’t violate the posting guidelines, but sometimes we have to watch out to prevent this forum from being turned into a platform of cheap discourse. We are not interested in that–we would rather have a robust forum that hosts insightful debate. We are asking you to come with a better debating style. Compose your comments and don’t flood the forum with reactive one liners. Thank you for understanding.

  • selam

    Lets put this straight to some of you who want to paint TPLF or EPRDF as a best for the ethiopian people and still want to deflect history. I know some of you want to hold on your interest by saying every thing is Good in Ethiopian. Most of you tend to say every bad words about Eritrean past history even some of you tend to demolish the hard fought of our struggle and i can understand. Beucase you have the of dictator in asmera to give you a reason to say what ever you wantBut lest tell you EPLF and HGDEF has nothing in common except the people who are leading and killing eritrean people. IA actions could not block you to see and tell what is our history and what is not.
    I do not want to say too much about TPLF because it does not serve the Eritrean people and i do not expect any help from them or alike Put to say to some tigrawot in the form here is the account of TPLF.

    1. It is to be recalled that the Genocide of Sidamas in May 24, 2002. On that day only over 200 innocent civilians were shot and died plus 300 were severely wounded. Later on it was reported that death toll had risen.

    2. The Genocide of Anuaks (Gambella) on December 24, 2003. Over 400 innocent Anuaks were slaughtered and following that many Anuak families were scattered, left their homes and those who had chance had fled to other countries to save their lives. In March 2, 2013 six civilians were killed including an American citizen OMOT OJOULU ODOL. There were more genocide in Gambella region and still going on.

    3. Genocide of Ogaden region, the regime carrying out extra judicial killings and gang rapes; falsely arresting and torturing innocent civilians; looting and destroying villages and crops in a systematic attempt to terrify the people. There were many reports from 2007, 2009, 2012 and 2013 revealing that continuous massacre is taking place in the region.
    Even as we speak , this is happening

    4. The Genocide of Amahara people could be observed from two different points. The first phase is long term and well planned attack to reduce the future number of Amhara by sterilizing women in Amhara region and who are Amharas. A woman who injected or taken the infertility injection are not able to produce offspring. According to research done by Amhara youth solidarity movement, women from Amhara region told that, ‘’they haven’t seen children or a child in the village for years’’ .As it is clear to understand, intentional and planned genocide is implemented through giving anti-birth drugs. The second phase of genocide against Amharas, is Ethnic cleansing of Amharas from land of Ethiopia and considering Amharas as an alien or second citizen to the land of Ethiopia in addition to torturing, arresting and killing the Amharas.

    5. Genocide of Oromo people, When first TPLF came to the power, the Oromo Liberation front was one of the collaborators of woyanes who worked together to over throw the Derg regime. OLF left Woyane due to internal disagreement and power sharing reasons in 1992. After the Oromo liberation front left coalition , TPLF started Killing, arresting and torturing enormous numbers of Oromos. Since then the Oromos were been falsely arrested and tortured , killed and accused of being in contact with the Liberation front but most of them were innocent civilians. Those who had a chance to escape persecution and massacre were scattered all over the world leaving their families and homes to save their lives. This was done by the help of EPLF because they thought they can ran the whole Ethiopia hand in hand with TPLF

    6. Not only the genocide, but also in the interest of TPLF leaders over 123000 Ethiopian militaries were died during Ethio-Eritrean war. The soldiers lost their lives for no national interest and nothing was resulted from the war except pain and sorrow for the families of died soldiers and the economic loss of the country.

    7. Post-election massacre of 2005 (the Ethiopian police massacre):- As we all can recall, in 1997 E.C TPLF police forces massacred innocent Ethiopias during anti-government non-violent protest in Adis Ababa . Over 197 people were killed including 40 teenagers, 763 people were badly injured and over 20,000 people were arrested.

    8. The Recent involvement of the Ethiopian regime in internal affairs of Somalia’s (Al-Shabab) caused death of many innocent Soldiers but it’s not made public and no compensations were paid for the families of dead soldiers. The involvement of TPLF in Somali affairs is not the interest of the nation of Ethiopia but it’s the interest of the TPLF regime for their own benefits.

    9. Another unbelievable cruelty of TPLF is displacement of citizens from their lands and homes. The displacement and villagization program in Gambella and south Omo valley has displaced native people from their lands. The regime is depriving small-scale farmers, pastoralists and indigenous people of arable farmland, access to water points, grazing land, fishing and hunting grounds. It has also has been moving people off the land into government villages to allow investors to take over the land. Wealthy nations and multinational corporations are taking over lands that are home to hundreds of thousands of ethnically, linguistically, geographically and culturally distinct pastoralists and indigenous communities. Most of their livelihood depends on the natural resource that found on the areas where they inhabited. When the land is confiscated and the indigenous community resettled in new area, there is no water and food or there is no enough grazing land for their cattle. The government’s widespread abuses of local people and its forceful eviction to implement its policies forcefully is endangered the life of communities who are dwelling in the area. Associated to this indigenous people eviction, the ethnic cleansing of Amharas from Benchi maji Zone and Benshangul Gumouz regions is an intentional crime of woyane against the People of Ethiopia. Creating chaos and fabricated hatred propaganda among the people has become daily agenda of Ethiopian government to divide the country by ethnic and tribes. All the above mentioned crimes, massacres and ethnic dividing propagandas were never happened before in history of Ethiopia.

    I can continue on and on but still some of you will defend TPLF no matter what and this true with altra HGDEF supporters too.

    • Hayat Adem

      Selam,
      Please don’t continue. You are ruining the level of discussions here. Whatever is you interest, slow it down please. You are pumping too much and clogging the flow. Focus more on adding quality and new perspectives and less on mastication of mantras.

      • selam

        Hayat Adem, you want , your way and tell us that you want to see every thing from your perspective. This is true and you can’t deny .

        • abrham

          you are wasting your time Anti-Selam. you are one of the ultra PDFJ brainwashed supporter and could not hide hide who you are by throwing some anti HGDEF words. And its funny you are commenting from Asmara tsaeda, what a brave lady!!

          • selam

            The truth hearts when it comes against your interest .so you do not surprise me Abrham , you may be defending TPLF for a small bread and i do not blame you. I can post the same evil action committed by HGDEF but awate.com have given you time.

          • abrham

            I know the truth Selam TPLF is not a collection of angels, I am not commenting far from Asmara like you or reporting like TV Eri & ESAT but from the main land. The ‘evil’ actions by TPLF you have tried to display has been played again and again by all the ill wishers but the country continue to exist. I advice you to tell us if you have a new thing to add.

          • selam

            It is 40th anverary where Tigrai governor tell us how he beat EPLF in which was false and smear campaign for his political purpose.
            so why not tell every thing in what happens and what is going in ethiopia. What is the shame ? why is it making you not to see the truth ?

            The country will continue and i do not wish ethiopia to stop and i do not wish ethiopia to be a criminals place either. I do wish ethiopia to peruse a democratic state and develop in which all ethiopians can benefit. I do not see ER-TV or ESAT as you said . I have every option to see from well known news organization so i do not need to see propagand TV. But what i was saying to you was that i was surprised by some one like you and hayat to defend TPLF by saying every thing in their book. while saying every thing bad about our past history. If i can not say the things committed by criminal group (TPLF) who controls the wealth of 75 million people at their desk is not fair.

            About being Asmara , i guess you know asmara well as most Tigrai young people and i do think they have good memory of asmera so as you if you know.So nothing to complain about asmara if not you want to talk about HGDEF.

          • Abel

            here we go again Selam,
            Where in the speech did the president of Tigray said ,he beat EPLF?
            Fyi,this is not “Madote.com” you are on Awate.com, no lies allowed.

          • selam

            waww you do not read the whole article then. what does he say about EPLF . please spar me time

          • Abel

            NONE,
            There is a difference between EPLF and ELF.
            There was no war b/n TPLF and EPLF,there was one with ELF though, thus why you see all ELFites in this forum crying foul.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear selam
            I can see you are an intelligent young lady. I miss your well rounded comments that you sometimes compose. Please take time. Sometimes, we can figure out if our reply is going to be a substantive one or a mere defensive reation. That’s if a strong urge is driving your answer, it’s probably going to be your poorest one. That’s what I have learned, anyway. So, take your time and give us your best dear salam. Another suggestion: leave Ethiopian politics for the Ethiopians. I do feel I have every right to interject when objectionable comments come from them in connection to my country, otherwise, why should I feel more Ethiopian than the Ethiopians? It’s good if they openly discuss the skeletons in their closet, but, if they don’t do that and if they are just telling us all the good stuff, that’s fine, as long as they don’t cross the line. Just a suggestion.
            Regards.

      • Peace!

        Hayat

        Opps! usually you are quick to comment and magnify anything that negatively affects Eritrea and Eritreans to serve “whatever is your interest.” But today you sound more like supervisor than that smart Hayat Adem. The TPLF guy put his foot in his mouth, and that’s is a serious mistake.

        regards

      • Fnote Selam

        Dear Hayat,

        Just want to remind you that bringing about change in Eritrea involves interacting with people who are barely literate (i.e., majority Eritreans) and who will most probably bring down the level of discussion in this forum to a level that would be unacceptable to many folks. I would say, if we dont have the patience and skills to deal with such kind of people, we can, at the very least, opt not interact with them.

        Thanks,

        FS.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear FS,
          It still doesn’t make your reminder to me bad but what I said to Selam was not that different from what you told her more politely and what the moderator told her with more authority.
          Thanks.

          • selam

            I am sure every one can learn from any one but to say you have the ideal of ideas is just ignorance based at home.

          • Hayat Adem

            I never said that Selam. I would never say that without risking to look like a liar and stupid.

          • selam

            so you have no clue how does it sound . say your name and record it then listen to it ? have you done that.
            It is the first lesson I learned when i was in MIT. Why you try to intimidate me so many times with your twist reply.

            If i make a mistake or if i insult some one ,You can tell me to correct it , but you can not tell me how to reply and what to post. Please check URBAN DICTIONARY , I am not smart and i am not dump either.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam,
            You are an Alumini of MIT. That is good for you and good for Eritrea, being a product from one of the best “Institute of Technology.”

          • Fnote Selam

            Got it!

            FS.

        • selam

          You seem to concluded , you are the last person who is well educated from the Eritrean people?

    • Amde

      Dear Selam

      Please remove the word genocide from your discourse. There are not and never were genocides in Ethiopias history of the past 100 years. Not under Menelik. Not under Haile Sellasie. Not under Derg. Not under EPRDF.

      Amde

      • selam

        I am eritrean and you can not tell me about the crime committed by derge is not genocide.

      • Saleh Johar

        Dear Amde,
        Genocide according to the dictionary means: “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.”

        If you agree with that definition, how many do you think “a large group of people” is?

        Would the hundreds of Tigrayans who were bomber (gas) by Haile Sellasie during the weyane uprisng qualify?

        Would the six-hundred victims of Ona qualify?
        Would the 250 of Besekdira qualify?
        Would the victims of Ad Ibrehim qualify?
        Would the remnants of Western Eritrea who survived the massacres and are in refugee camps in Sudan by the thousands qualify?

        Would the Derg victims of the village of Weki Dbba qualify?
        Would the Derg victims of the village of She’eb qualify?

        Just asking what is genocide according to your understanding.

        • destaa

          Dear Salah
          This is the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court definition of Genocide.
          Article 6 of the Rome Statute provides that ‘genocide’ means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

          • selam

            see the movie kibtset in massawa.

        • Hope

          Usataz Saleh,
          Why R U shy to mention the Gambella,the Ogadenia and the Oromia massacre ?
          I think each group was more than 300 people at a time!

          • Saleh Johar

            And who said I am shy to mention anything? When you give examples, you give one or a number of examples that you think are enough to get the point across. It doesn’t mean you have to list the thousands examples altogether. It is not a share profit distribution exercise where you have to make it equal. If I say God bless you, will you fault me for not saying, “jar bless you, aana bless you, Allah bless you, rebi bless you, ezgher bless you and all the dozens of its equivalent? I don’t think you will… and don’t jump to making statements like “why are you shy…” which implies you are sure that I am shy! You could ask me “why didn’t you mention….” if you wish.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            I took note on your “share profit distribution exercise.” Aha!! How does this phrase applicable in real politics? I am interested in your take about it. Very interesting phrase? I like it if you guess what I am contemplating. Give a shot.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma, I do not know if that is applicable to politics or not. I was responding to Hope because he chastized me for not mentioning Gmbella, Ogaden, etc. He thinks if I give an example of Ona, Besekdira, that I have to list all tragedies..My reply bis, I am not share profit distributing but presenting a sample, examples. Other than that, I have no idea how it can be tied to real politics, I was not thinking about politics but on the way we communicate on anything. What is in your mind?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Abu Saleh. I will let it go, but I will keep it in my political vocabulary to use it in the future. I am always fascinated when “coined phrases” convey the messages easily. They always gives me a glimpse of smile and a nodding approval to the person who coined it. Thank you anyway.

            regards,

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam selam,
      .
      You are a lady with a mission. You have it for the TPLF, don’t you?
      .
      However, sitting where you sit, please save the crocodile tears for the Amharas. It is disingenuous.
      Concentrate on your own problems, don’t project. I thought of an Amahric saying that describes you but I will skip it.
      .
      K.H

      • selam

        The idea of waiting for some thing makes it more exiting , do n’t you think ?
        The world fascinates me from time to time. when people totally misjudge things from their window.

  • selam

    He is a well known singer Eyasu Berhe , I hope you people know about this person , who has a great influence in Tigrai history (TPLF) , I can understand the lack of some awate.com Moderators understanding of the word agame word .

    Most people tend to use the word as a derogatory for example Abinet and awate.com moderator tend to do that . Moderator really lack any knowledge of a documented history of Tigrai people and their history. And it is a shame such person will be awate.com moderator and has the courage to tell people what is bad and good about history. It is a shame we came to that level. Please grow up and read and tell history and what actually is shame about the word agame.
    If you want a derogatory words to wards tigiray people , i can tell you but i have never use them and i do not intend to do so.

    To moderator please if you have time listen to this MUSIC, it is a lesson to people who have no clue or what so ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOw2zFdq6LI

  • Mahmud Saleh

    AT the great
    A statesman’s statement from the “state” of Awate, a logically and beautifully synthesized article. This is why I believe peoples need to be aware of politicians’ tendency to spin things. He was surely speaking to his constituency, mainly to the hardline Tigreans, but as a statesman, he should have lead by thinking and talking strategically. This generation knows where we are and why we are where are; the job should be smoothing out the rough edges and the bumps for the new generation so that they could have a better ground on which to continue building a better future. That includes not twisting history. It is amazing the sacrifices of both people are reduced to the unhealthy relationship both leaderships had. God give these leaders a whisper of wisdom.

    • T. Kifle

      Arkey Mahmud,

      Pres. Abay’s speech with regard to Jebha is factually accurate but unnecessary. There is no twist at all.

      • selam

        why are you defending this monster any way , is he your relative or are you here to tell us another story about his hidden agenda. He is telling to the whole tigray people and i can not believe you are here defending him

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Salam TK;
        The art of twisting history in order to fit it to their narration has been done by both organizations’ cadres and leadership (EPLF or TPLF). What’s important to me is these two people bled together. To come to your reply, EPLF is, for insstatnce,mentioned as one of those organizations that tried to liquidate TPLF. Is this factually accurate? To my understanding, even during the darkest times, EPLF base (tegadelti and wudubat) was instructed not to react to campaigns TPLF was conducting in mid eighties against the EPLF. The position was that we would work with TPLF when the time conducive for such bilateral projects and focus on our struggle when it was not. What transpired during the years of 1988-2000 and after is a totally different state to state affair. The point is in litrature or actual action there was no wish of seeing the TPLF gone as far as the EPLF is concerned.

      • Hope

        What a blood-sucker, chauvinist , Kedaa’ and the biter of his Mom’s breasts,!!What about the other side of the story?
        The innocent Eritrea and Eritreans,who breast-fed and baby-sitted the same Gang and escorted Mr Abay Woldu to the Menelik Palace until they stood up stronger with their feet?
        Basically you are defending and endorsing an Official War against Eritrea and Eritreans!
        What if we tell historical and factual events where the Tigreyans and their leaders committed crimes against humanity/Eritreans?
        It is insanity and beyond Hypocrisy, some people here to tell us about Regional Integration and at the same time threatening us by regurgitating old and obsolete stories!
        It is time to talk and walk Peace and Reconciliation and Real Regional Integration,not war mongering!

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Cousin Hope,
          .
          Oh boy, cousin hope, you are loosing control again. A little while back I noticed you were trying to help out Mr. Johar by passing ammunition. (genocide ) He rejected the ammunition because he did not need it or the way it was delivered. That must have set you off to let loose on T. Kifle, Otherwise I cannot understand why this diatribe.
          .
          K.H

    • saay7

      Field Marshall Mahmud:

      Is this accurate narrating of Tigray history? Should it have been told? And if it should have been told, why is it in YouTube ghetto of a 2,000 views? It moved me; I am sure it will move you. It educated me how the TPLF was able to mobilize Tigrayans so rapidly using Marxist language of class struggle. But, hush, it embarrasses TPLF II, a world where Menelik and Haile Selasse are Ethiopian heroes and the Eritrean revolution is something to be denied.

      http://youtu.be/ihJ-k0TnJvo

      Saay

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Kbur wo Hfoor Ato SAAY
        I can’t view it for some reason, I will take a look at it later; but I can see you have got something juicy that actually pulled you out of your dark cave.

        • saay7

          Field Marshall Mahmuday:
          How about this one*? I have been binging on Weyanai video for TPLF 40? Why? Well, because it is the 2nd greatest guerrilla movement in Africa, that’s why 🙂 This is from its truth-telling days before it, NECESSARILY, found it politically expedient to venerate villains and demonize heroes. Link below, dozens more if u can’t open it. And hush keep it on the low-down, this will never air on official Ethiopian TV, necessarily. They have a country to patch and glue together.

          saay

          * http://youtu.be/vly7wmGjGjk

          • Mahmud Saleh

            SAAY;
            Ah, you said 2nd greatest! woy ane wayanay! I will keeep it low lest TK interupt his vacation in MeQwele in order to address this with you. In TK books, wayanay is numero uno in the world. I haven’t seen the videos, may be later this evening. But wayanay was indeed Harbegna, the most discipluined, and battle hardened the WORLD has ever seen; that’s, of course, after the mighty EPLF. That’s after 1981. Before that? Ask SGJ or my friend EMMA on who would be the 2nd place tiers.

          • Kokhob Selam

            ትኽእለሉ !!ኣንታ ወረ ከመይ ከመይ እኻ ትገብሮ ?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            ኮከባይ
            ስማዕ’ስከ፡ ልብና ደኣ ክትኮስ! ጸወታን ዳእላን ሓዊስካ ‘ኳ ዘይተኻእለ!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam SAAY,
            .
            I am glad to hear from you. I hope you don’t show up only on anniversaries and birthdays. There is a lot of things being said by a lot of people. Some of it needs the corralling effort of saay7.
            .
            K.H

          • abrham

            FYI, It was aired by the state TV last week.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Very interesting. Taken within its era, 1ይ ወያነ ብሱሩ ገስጋሲ ነይሩ። My favorite is:
        “ኣካላዊ ብቕዓት ሃልይዎ ግና ዘይወየነን ነቲ ዕላማ ዘይቕበልን ቀሚሽ ተኸዲኑ ኣብ ዕዳጋ ይዘውር”

  • Deogane

    sorry read as Menka

  • Deogane

    “There is relatively less pull factor within the TPLF towards Dedebit, but the PFDJ is firmly anchored in the Sahel mentality and refuses to spring out of it. That is why the PFDJ runs Eritrea like a garrison.”
    I don’t agree on this point. It is rather both parties carried their work ethics further long after they left meda.
    TPLF operates on consensus while decision in EPLF usually comes from one man or the leader and his trusty. Example of that is the decision on the meka group and see the contrast how TPLF purged some of its leaders.

  • Admas

    “During the 17 years of popular struggle, since the sea of reactionaries was wide, there was no one who didn’t attempt to annihilate this [TPLF] democratic organization.. [Derg, EPLF, EDU and a host of others are mentioned] Jebha, supported all reactionaries to annihilate us, but in the end, it fell in [the fire] , was charred, and disappeared.”

    Here we go again, typical of Eritreans with distorted sense of entitlement….most still complain about what the late PM of Ethiopia is claimed to have said.. some thing in line with “If Ethiopians do not like the colour of their guests they have the right to throw them out of their country”…a statement no one can dispute based on legal or moral ground, because Ethiopian indeed have the right to throw-out anyone they rightly or wrongly feel is a threat to their security….again there is nothing untrue in what the governor of Tigray state said..it is just a bitter truth many Eritreans not willing to swallow.

    • T. Kifle

      Dear Admas,

      As to my understanding the writer is not contesting the truth value of it(though almost all ELF guys subscribe to this notion) but it was unnecessary mention taking everything into consideration. He could have made it more of a positive speech.

      • Admas

        If it is ok to mention other Ethiopian groups such as Derg, EDU and so on in a negative light, what is wrong in negatively mentioning Eritrean groups that have yet to prove nothing but disaster…cos it is only a fact that non of the Eritrean adventurers have yet to prove anything other than disaster to their own people let alone to the region…unless you want to argue that all Eritreans was misery rapped in a different flag, “identity”…

        • Admas

          oooops sorry, the last sentence reads…unless you want to argue that all Eritreans NEEDED was misery rapped in a different flag, “identity”.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Admas,
          .
          Sorry for the intrusion.
          I think you are right in a court of law and logic. Mr. T.Kifle is right in the court of public opinion. It is history after all, it is what it is.
          .
          K.H

    • selam

      Yes ethiopia has every right to rope eritreans wealth and give it to tigrawot and that is true still a crime under international law . But you especially you will not disappoint TPLF on roping eritrean wealth.

      I have no idea when the exact time was giving to the road from asmara to keren there is one road that reflects you.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear AT,

    Thank you so much. Aha, how sleepy mind he has. Abbay Woldu has failed to understand our historical/political grievances. In fact he didn’t fail as he well knows what it is.

    Seeing the other side always makes things clear. The Tigrai State governor should learn that Eritrean problem goes far beyond the current social grievances (mainly the refugees case). The 1980s case is one of the deep political grievances that we are still affected by. We could have a different course if that occasion didn’t happen. The wounds are living freshly and touching that wound can only bring us back to Dedebit or Sahel. Alas it will not.

    tes

  • T. Kifle

    dear Writer,

    I do agree! I don’t think his remark goes well with the thinking of main stream TPLFites.

    • selam

      IT does go well , do not twist to your wishes because that is not what happening with the young TPLF cadres.

      • T. Kifle

        Can you discuss ideas? why are you all over the places?

        • selam

          Have you discussed any idea on your message to the writer ?

        • selam
          • T. Kifle

            he is right

          • T. Kifle

            he is right

          • selam

            Good that is open hate from you as your teacher and i have no objection to you.

          • T. Kifle

            Well, let us pray! May God spare us because of you for you are profusely filled with wisdom and love.

          • Abinet

            TK
            Please don’t disappoint me by going back and forth with this person. This person is not Saay or SGJ, or Amanuel or Hayat or …. This is a person who has no shame to use the word agame at this moment. Is it still 16th century in eritrea ?
            Chelemaw zemen temeliso meTa ?( literally

          • T. Kifle

            Hi Abi,
            Note taken!

          • selam

            Abinet
            agame is not an insult it is perfectly ok to use agame. what is the shame any way ? did i insult him ?

            If you can say Gonder why not some one use agame.

          • selam

            Moderator , i do not understand where do you get the derogatory term , please read history and do not tell me about derogatory , if you do not know it , please read and listen to the music.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOax0X8JDg

          • selam

            additional point to your information, who live in 21 century but forget to learn history of here own country . Here is the agame word in word .

            The Agame (Tigrinya ዓጋመ ʿāgāme, Amharic ዓጋሜ āgāmē, “fruitful”) is a former province in northern Ethiopia, now part of the Tigray Region. Its inhabitants include the Irob people, a region where tradition states the legendary Makeda (the Queen of Sheba) was born and raised. The aristocratic house had its capital at Adigrat.

          • Hope

            But for Mr Abay Weldu, it is ok to use such a war mongering and hareful speech!
            Huh?
            Libeluwat yekejelu amora,yiliwatal zgigra’

          • Hope

            Btw, why 5 Univ in Tigray but only one one in Gonder?

          • destaa

            Dear Hope
            Awate is about informing, and I would like to tell you that there are two universities in Gonder (Gonder and Debre Tabor and another one is coming called Debarq University.) And I think it is 4 for Tigray including the coming Raya University(others I know Adigrat (where someone from there told me yesterday that they are thinking to change the name to Agame University), Aksum and Mekele.

          • selam

            oww Agame university lol lol please the moderator will get angry at you , so becareful about that that that that speciall word of awate.com

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            You are exposed now fully. Thank you.

            tes

          • selam

            Tesfe tell me about the word what is it , is not it reall history and connected to reall people who are proud , i am so serious about this , why is that ?

          • Hope

            Better than Abi!
            It has been long time since I left Gonder and I missed that. Thanks!
            Adigrat,Adiwa,Mekele,Aksum,Raya Univ… are five,which are well deserved coz the Tireyans contributed more and that the answer I was expecting.
            ….and more like Medical Schhol ,Pharmacy,Textile Industry,Beer and Pepsi Factories…..
            I am envious but not jealous though.

            I am happy for them except the racistss like Abay Weldu et al.

          • Abel

            Gonder is one city ,while Tigray is a region/Kilil/Province.

          • destaa

            Dear Abel,
            Our government policy is not that way. I mean the plan is to have 1 university for every two million people. So you take the population number(not being kilil or province). And it seems the plan is going well in my view (But the quality thing is another point)

          • Hope

            Ohh crap!
            Are you from Venus?

  • guest

    A nice informative article in line with awate’s perpetual college of educating and empowering the readers. Bless you. I have nothing to comment on the article exept you made me smile when you compared them to our PFDG as ” ….as God created them from the same batch of clay”. I needed that humor after spending my morning sad to hear that three of our beautiful muslim girls between ages 15 and 16 run away of their homes,flew to Turkey, apparently to join the devilish cult of IS. What made me more sad is the fact one of the girls is amharic. May God help bring them back home to their parents before they fell into the hands of the terrorists. Amen.
    As for ” The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus “, yes, they are mentioned in Quran with their companion dog as eight, ‘…..WA. THAAMINUHUM KALBUHUM…..” shamunayom kelbom, NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE in the 66 books of KJV of Protestants or 73 books of Douay Version of Catholics is that narrated. I dont have access to the extra ethiopic/eritrean church Tewahdo books to say if they are mentioned there or not.

    • selam

      why will any one who lives in a very nice place go to syria any way ? what is special about that. once she is radical islamist she is not ethiopian and she is not Amharic . Let her go and get what she wants , I think any one who want to follow IS should get one way free ticket and no return to Europe. The best solution is i guess we should give them one place they all live together but with out the western technology and help. Let them live on the primitive age. Any one who does not adapt to the live he migrate let him return to his origin.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear selam,

        You have no right to strip their citizenship.

        tes

        • selam

          So how do you deal with them tesfe ? i am just saying it will be nice if they all live in one place and leave all the nice people with out paying any price.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear selam,

            First of all, identity is not something we give when we like or strip when we don’t. This is basic human right. Kindly don’t act as PFDJ spokeswoman. If these ladies joined ISIS from Eritrea, then it is something different. I will not go further but lets be wise in our reaction. You and me can argue, insult, debate etc to each other. We do because we are here. But if guest brought it, it goes beyond judgmental. Let me not go beyond. But I call you to refrain from a donner of identity card. Very simple thing we do.

            tes

          • selam

            why will it be different if they join from Eritrea ? To me they are all the same . But i take your advice not to reply about islamists when it comes form guest. So deal done.

            But about the citizenship thing i can tell you that just wait from 5 to 10 years European right wing will rise to power and you will see what they do about that.

      • guest

        Selam.selam yihabki..she’s only 15-16 years old teen. She needs help. And her parents dont deserve that punishment from their own blood and flesh.

        • selam

          Here in Eritrea 15 years old girl is doing every thing she can to help her mother cope with the shortage of gas and bread .Some times even going far selling fruits and full (nuts) and after that going to school . Of course i feel bad about her family and hope she came back , i debut she is a kid.

  • Kaddis

    Spot on Awate.
    I could only argue differently that EPRDF stand on principles of democracy were not shaken even when extremely challenged. Such as conducting a democratic election right after the Badme war although there was enough reason to postpone it. They have proven they can handle democratic processes. It’s the society and the oppositions turn to play fair.
    the rest is spot on again

    • destaa

      Selam Kaddis
      What does it mean when you say that “EPRDF stand on principles of democracy were not shaken even when extremely challenged”?And this “They have proven they can handle democratic processes” . About which country are you talking dear Kaddis

      • Abel

        ETHIOPIA,
        Your sarcastic mentality is so unbearable and amateurish.Please read more and say less.

      • Kaddis

        They deserve better recognition and less belittling so that they can grow out of their defensive positions.

        • destaa

          Actually, my view is to remove this election thing and just continue with our Growth and Transformation 2 (GTP2). You know we are investing too much on elections. For me I have no opposition on our government and my point just go on

          • Kaddis

            Destaa

            Don’t give up on the election specially when the opposition come to their senses and have been rushing to compete, holding ‘let’s boycott’ card at least for the moment. It’s a serious test for both sides. The society is maturing on our political outlook as well appreciating peaceful processes than revolt.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kaddis,
            .
            Nice to hear from you. I agree with you, the country is being educated about the process of elections. The country never had this tradition. These are good steps in their own rights for the entire country to participate and take ownership. The EPRDF also learns and adjusts to the times while the country is marching on its current tracks. This talk of Democracy and its trimmings are good talk, primarily to foreigners, first let us stand on own two feet.
            .
            K.H

  • selam

    Well come to the reality of the state of mind 0f the TPLF regime. They still think and are working to dismantle eritrea and this is not a secret to any eritrean . I have heard him from start to the end and in his face he reads the following . We are here to dominate and intimidating any one we do not like and that is a message to the eritrean opposition who are working day and night to get his help.Thanks ABAY WELDU for telling us the true agenda of TPLF .

    We have asked the Eritrean opposition not to cartile TPLF and hope get help from them , even now there is time please Leave TPLF and their operative as soon as possible.

    At times like this, Eritreans, as they wish for a peaceful relations with their neighbors, pose a critical question: is Abbay Woldu likely to be comfortable with an Eritrea that is governed by any other Eritrean party except the PFDJ or its clone? The answer is no , he is not the only one either all of the cadre are talking to continue this anonymity to wards eritrea.

    His secretary gave tigrai on line said this in 14,11,2013

    we in the TPLF believe that Eritrea should not allowed to have a democratic state by any means at any time . We will work day any night to make sure the eritrean people to have a havoc in between them and then broke their nationalism.

    And who could forget Tsegay Berhe the previous governor of Tigray2001–2010 , when he said , We do not like Eritreans and we will never help to have their own democratic state if possible we should work , how they remain with HGDEF.

    So what do you say awatista ?

    • Abel

      Again Selam fabricating lies,
      Tsegay Berhe nor any member of TPLF central committee member never uttered such a thing on Eritrea.Prove it,show us the link.

      • selam

        You want to hear what it suits you right ? i have the copy of the walta information copy , i have no idea how i will put it here . But that being said i do not think you can defend them either . But i will try to put it here in my own article

        • Abel

          No body is interested in your diatribe,ONLY The proof.
          It was Tigray online before, now it is Walta??? nonetheless show us the proof.the link will do.

          • selam

            I am not asking you too , you can go dance your agame music , it is 40th anniversary week in mekele.

          • selam

            I guess you are listening to him too much

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0sXOdx4kO8

          • Abel

            You still trying to elude accountability? Where is the proof?
            If you fail to substantiate your allegation,then you are a LIER.
            Not just a pathological liar but with dubious intent to create hatred among Eritreans and Tigaru too.Shame on you.

          • selam

            I do not think you can defend TPLF and i stand by my word but i will scan when i find the right time.
            just serve what you have been told

          • Abel

            Selam,I think you should go back to madote.com,that’s where you perfectly belong.You are damaging the quality of this forum with your unsubstantiated and often fabricated lies, deceit and hatred.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear selam,

      Your understanding is completely a mess. Re-read the whole article and come up with new understanding. The thing is, Abay Woldu is ignoring our historical grievances and still he is expressing his pride for what happened to ELF. But for us, our problem has a root beyind the 1980s but it was magnified with that year span. And under the PFDJ rule, it raised to its peak. Abay Woldu feels proud for alleviating our domestic problems of the 1980s. And no JUSTICE SEEKER at this time pass his remark without notice. Thanks to AT, they never failed to bring such malleables.

      tes

      • selam

        well i do have my understanding and i stay with them . I am telling you this kind of behavior is well rooted in side TPLF and HGDEF , they will never ever see another venue.