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Eritrea Sanctions: Due To Djibouti, Ethiopia Policies

The UN’s Security Council is set to extend the mandate of the Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea (SEMG) for a year and will not lift the sanctions on Eritrea for at least another year, according to draft resolution that has been circulated.

SEMG Report Summarized

In a 93-page SEMG report that the Sanctions Committee presented to the Security Council, the Group finds the following with respect to UN resolutions1862 (2009), 1907 (2009), 2023 (2011) and 2182 (2014):

1. By denying it permit to enter Eritrea, the government did not show “full cooperation, contrary to resolution 2182 (2014)”;
2. While it cannot confirm that Eritrea is in violation of resolution1907 (2009) on arms embargo, it cannot rule it out either due to “multiple inconsistencies and established patterns” dealing with cargo manifest of a ship (Shaker 1) that docked in Massawa;
3. The government of Eritrea continues to support armed Ethiopian opposition groups–Tigray People’s Democratic Movement (TPDM), Patriotic Front, Ginbot Sebat, Arbegnoch and/or their united front–“in violation of resolution 1907 (2009)”;
4. The government of Eritrea’s refusal “to engage or provide information on the issue of the prisoners of war from Djibouti constitutes an obstruction of resolution 1862 (2009) and that those responsible should be considered for targeted measures under resolution 1907 (2009).”

While ruling out that Eritrea’s alleged security agreement with Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates to “use Eritrean land, airspace and territorial waters in its anti-Houthi military campaign in Yemen” constitutes a violation of UN resolution, the Monitoring Group states that the alleged embedding of Eritrean soldiers in UAE forces, if true, would constitute a violation of UN resolutions.

With respect to other alleged Eritrean government activities that resulted in the imposition of UN resolutions, SEMG:

1. rules out a relationship between Eritrea and Al-Shabab;
2. is unable to document cases of harassment and coercion used by the government to collect the 2% Diaspora tax, attributing it to the environment of fear that pervades the Eritrean Diaspora;
3. in unable to document if funds generated from mining revenues–estimated at $755 million from 2011 to 2014–have been diverted to fund activities banned by the UN;
4. is unable to make a judgement on the significance of the decision by TPDM’s chairman, and his 800 followers, to leave Eritrea and return to Ethiopia;
5. is unable to verify Djibouti’s claim that Eritrea is supporting a Djibouti armed rebel group.

Government of Eritrea Replies Summarized

The Government of Eritrea gave oral and written replies to the inquiries of the SEMG.  Its position is as follows:

1. Since the reason for the UN sanctions were (a) Eritrea’s alleged relationship with Al-Shabab and (b) its failure to acknowledge its dispute with Djibouti and since (c) SEMG has established Eritrea has no relationship with Al-Shabab and (d) the Government of Qatar is mediating the Djibouti-Eritrea conflict, there is no longer a rationale for the sanctions and they should be lifted;

2. SEMG has no mandate to monitor Eritrea-Ethiopia relations and, by extension, the presence of armed Ethiopian opposition groups in Eritrea;

3. Eritrea is not obligated to account for Djibouti prisoners of war to the SEMG as that, along with six other issues, is now the responsibility of the mediator, the government of Qatar;

4. Eritrea has the right to tax its citizens, and imposing administrative penalties for non-compliance is not a form of coercion;

5. The revenues it generates from mining and 2% Diaspora tax are far less than what the government spends on social services and, therefore, “the potential or probability of diverting RRT [Rehabilitation and Recovery Tax] to other activities is zero”;

6. Eritrean soldiers are not embedded with the United Arab Emirates armed forces.

Draft Resolution

The UN Security Council is made up of five permanent members (US, UK, France, Russia, China) and ten non-permanent members (Angola, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Lithuania, Malaysia, New Zealand, Nigeria, Spain, Venezuela.)  The chair of the Sanctions Committee on Somalia and Eritrea is Venezuelan.

According to the draft report, Venezuela, Angola, Chad, Nigeria, China and Russia wanted a categorical statement that there are no links between Eritrea and Al-Shabab; others wanted the language from previous report–there is no evidence that there is link between Eritrea and Al-Shabab–to remain.

On the issue of financial transparency, some security council members appear to have supported the Eritrean position that it infringes on national sovereignty, while others argued that without it, the sanctions committee cannot verify if Eritrea is in compliance with UN Resolution 2023.

The draft resolution suggests that its language will be slightly weakened compared to previous resolution.

This leaves the question of Djibouti and Ethiopia. The case of Djibouti, and its prisoners of war, was one of the two main causes for imposing sanctions in 2009. The Qatari mediation has been going on since 2010–a full five years, longer than the time it took to arbitrate the Eritrea-Ethiopia border conflict–with nothing to show for it.

Meanwhile, despite the fact that there is clear language in UN resolutions 1907 (2009) and 2023 (2011) forbidding the government of Eritrea from “harbouring, financing, facilitating, supporting, organizing, training or inciting individuals or groups to perpetrate acts of violence in the region”–a clear reference to armed Ethiopian opposition groups–the government of Eritrea maintains that the “Eritrea-Ethiopia relationship” is outside the mandate of the Monitoring Group.

Until Eritrea resolves these two issues to the satisfaction of the Security Council, it is unlikely that the sanctions will be lifted.

 

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  • Bereket

    Why Eritrea peoples mostly and strong in all directions helps and support for president Isias Aforiki and government of Eritrea.
    Because they know the truth enemy of Eritrea peoples and government.

    Fews and services for Ethiopian government like dogs but nothing to do or any changes in Eritrea because uintiy and weak up of majority Eritrean peoples are side by side on their government so Eritrea are lucky and Isias Aforiki.

    Look today Eritrean peoples are best than Ethiopian and Djibouti or Somalia and others.
    Eritrean today’s able to write and reading.
    Eritreans proud of everything which human things needs.
    Today economic and underfrastracture and transport and agricultural moderate and hospitals and clinics are more results and by own ability and knowledge with out begged abroad.
    Today Eritrea peoples mostly of them richest in the world.
    Today’s never sound bomb or abused or gang or sluagtre in Eritrea street or area. Today Eritrea is Heavenly and peacefully than any nation in our world.

    Today worldwide simply bomb and bloodshade in every where in any area and valionces killing abused; But Eritrea is full peaceful and garented security and saviour country in our world just Eritrea only country in the world.
    Do you want to sure about it just go to Eritrea.
    Don’t go with western midea blackmail and fabrication and false statement about Eritrean peoples and government.

    You have to go and should be in Eritrea by your eye witness rather blackmail and wrong absolutely false human rights or UN or Western lies too much about Eritrea .
    Eritreans never worry about it because they know it and enjoying themselves who can be instated of them to be cry of Cocockridal.
    When Eritrean peoples killed and suffering by Ethiopian military 1952 -1990 human right and redcross ,NGO and UN generally western were fun and supporting everything financial and military and weopens to destroye Eritrea peoples but the time even now the same idea as before to destroye Eritrean peoples and government.
    They are wanted Eritrea to be under Ethiopian control just put fews Eritrean dogs and toy to service Ethiopian and killing innecont peoples this is not new things it was like kumadus, welded gaba and dihininet who support for Ethiopian and now the same fews Eritrea support Ethiopian but the truth is truth never never Eritrea peoples to give hand for poorest and late country and divided ethinca and violences always begged country her history Ethiopian are just for food aid never sarivel with out aid of western countries.

    What you think?
    ERITREAN PEOPLES believe on hard work and sucrifies for their country as cultures taken it .
    So big difference between Eritrea And Ethiopian.
    Ethiopians just how to sarivel aid food from abroad and begged cultures and undernationalit and they are divided ethincal and lazy haptitated.

    Eritreans just in your land and hard work peacefully to live with out look in abroad aid food just you are human should be to work and be going forwards.
    Unfortunately UN and western, human rights they don’t want this policy of Eritrea.
    Others wise Eritrean peoples and government never done any criminals or issues in our world.
    Just Eritrea want own county and peac full.
    They don’t any thing from others but believe on them selves and share as respect and with dignity with whole world even with western countries but unfortunately world needs like western countries just to begged they don’t free to work and building your country.
    Africa nations still in food aid except Eritrea so must be weak up Africa and be fun of Eritrea because Eritrea only natio in Africa achieved and still going to more challenging and sucrifies for real nation and building of Eritrea forwards to be as any good nation depending on own peoples and law . It’s not coping like western policy but you are human just do you self and be challenging your problems by work hard not just sit in office just about aid food from western.
    Now is 22 century why Africa divided and back to stoneage like Ethiopian playing just bloodshade and aid food assistance rother work hard to teaching their peoples.

    Please weak up Africa in work hard not in aid food like Ethiopian and Djibouti, Somalia others Africans.

    • Thomas D

      Hi Bereket,

      Just a friendly advice you might as well need to take some “English as a second language” courses before you start writing stuff such as the above lies. You should know people are very smart in this century. After all, you should at least be honest with us and we could have tolerated the serious grammatical errors in your writing. You know what? It is really painful to put up with all!! I hope you would understand me on this! Next time when you are ready to write, please tell us why our people are running away crossing borders from President Issayas Afewerki to the neighbor country/presumed enemy country. Please be kind when you try to answer this question?

  • Bereket

    Why Ethiopians aslym seeker called themselves Eritrean they are not Eritrea citizens in UK and Scandinavian countries and America ,Canada others countries 90 % Refugee even in side Ethiopian called themselves as Eritrea aslym seeker hahah kikik. …… .

    Why Ethiopians peoples always cheapest and waiting aid food? Never change the history of Ethiopians?
    USA tired send Food to Ethiopian?
    USA said in June we don’t have enough money and looking for other countries to help us to send Food to Ethiopians.
    Why not African believe on self and working hard rather all their history just waiting food aid from America never changed bad credit history a shamefully for Ethiopian and Djibouti Somalia others.

    Wowww Eritrea are postive and building their country by own ability.
    Eritrea peoples are kind and helpful with respect and dignity wowww Eritrea.

    I am America before I visited Eritrea I was wrong idea. Because of wrong media western blackmail and false statement of human rights and UN councils.

    I am happy and I see yang peoples in Eritrea in Nice duluxs cinema and just I was think I am At Rome city Reallity Eritrea are beatitful country nice pub and cafe.
    Eritrea city and village are close they can get any thing that you want it wowww .

    I am suprising Eritrea peoples love each other and respect their government dancing with their Prisdent.

    The president normal work in dam and other parts building projects He is very important steps to his moral his peoples.

    Do you think he doesn’t have guard and save security wowww. In worldwide Just Isias Aforiki is free with out security wowww.
    Mostly Eritrean peoples loved him and respect him believe in him than any one else.

    President Isias Aforiki is honest and love his peoples and able achieved mullinums of goal UN Plan only Africa successful is Eritrea under leader Isias Aforiki wowww.

    Eritrea peoples I love then christian and Muslims love each ather and helpful never can say that is muslim or christian because of their way live very close and comon in their country loved Eritrea

    I have been all Eritrea part and wowww nice and positive and frankly I was happy there with the peoples of Eritrea .
    Day and night 24 hours peaceful the street I saw yang girls went alon and I asked Her about not afraid alon she said This is Eritrea.
    In Eritrea relgioun just for love and positive for goodness so in Eritrea faith both of them comen and reality.
    Only higherdeciplen in Eritrea like cultures very fantastic opportunity positive way.
    In Eritrea inpossible to do any wrong things because not allowed to you the situations became every things it is nice and clean city all are happiness full in the country.
    Women are higher level in all sector and enjoying equal rights reserved.

    Do you know Eritrean womens are fighting for freedom in 1961- 1991 so Eritrea womens right are not by gift but by own results.

    Woww Eritrea is different history just go there and enjoying it.
    Woww I hope Eritrea countiues like this nice people and positive way country and kind peoples .
    I love them for ever .
    I wishes then victory for their building the Nation. .
    I hope Ethiopian and Djibouti others to learn leson how to work in reality and out corrupted and lie your own peoples and cruels is not good.
    Please Ethiopian and Djibouti advice to have your peoples free from Aid food and begged just to work hard rathe lazy scioty.

    Eritrea already inproof her way.
    Eritrea peoples and government are woww I loved them.

    • Berhe Y

      Selam Bereket,

      I believe in everything you saw in Eritrea and all that you said. I just want to comment on a couple of points.

      If you think and living in Eritrea and serving with no end, would you like to trade your place with another young Eritrean who is wasting his life. Just like and like all human beings he wanted to travel to go to school, to move free where ever he desires to find employment to get married, start a family etc. Do you belame such person if he wants to move on with his life?

      The second thing is, why Ethiopians call themselves refugees and claim to be Eritrean. I don’t have the numbers and I can’t deny that this is not happening, it just common way to get your asylum accepted. Back in mid 90s, I know someone who had claim to be Ethiopian when she applied for asylum in Canada, that her father was a DERG authority so she can’t live in peace in Ethiopia.

      The solution is quite simple for Eritrea if it wants to do it. It says national service is only 18 months and Eritrears are free to move where ever they want from the country and the government provides them their rights and gives them unrestricted exit visa and passports.

      Trust me the western governments would move at a speed of light to deport all those Eritreans back to Eritrea and including others.

      That should stop your worry if you will see any Eritrean refugee claims after that.

      Berhe

  • Bereket

    What about Ethiopians doing against Eritrean peoples and government by supporting opposition of Eritrea and acouped land of Eritrea town Badme which recognised by international court.
    Ethiopian military killed civilians own peoples and Somalia civilians and Eritrean peoples too much bloodshade by Ethiopian government corrupted and dictatorship ethical coz Oromo and Amhara ethical issues everday in street in school children killed by gun shot infront their families how is brutal and cruels policy of Ethiopian government neve asked or questions because UN scary of America .
    Today Ethiopian hunger and death coz of Ethiopian government just war with nighbour countries never peace results today Ethiopian peoples cry and suffering death valionces bloodshade.
    DJIBOUTI peoples are not more than 400.000 thasund. An fortunately they are waiting aid food from world and suffering deasiss same as Ethiopians coz corrupted and killer of both government and ethical problems and lazy.

    Eritrea are one country in the reginal or Africa become achieved the miliniom of goal UN plan.
    ERITREA are respect international UN law and Court that why pulled her army or mlitary from Yemen island Hanesh.
    Eritrea working hard to building own country from ash since destroyed by Ethiopian military 1962-1991
    Eritrean peoples and now government Eritrean are work hand with hand in own ability and sources building infrastructure of the country well done and dream become true.
    Why human right and UN western don’t want positive about Eritrean peoples and government?
    Why UN And Humanitarian and western a gainst Eritrean peoples and government?

    REMEMBER : UN AND Western Countries never had or have evidence or reality or truth about Eritrea statement just fabrication and fixtion. Why why why ???????????
    UN and Western look decided 1954-1958 by force Eritrea became federation with Ethiopian.
    Remember Eritrean peoples domnstration and in peace way marshes and said we needed free country but UN and Western by force Made decided Eritrea to stay With Ethiopian.
    Remember : When international decided Badme town Inside Eritrea and Ethiopian refused the law of International court .
    Never pulled from land of Eritrea still now control by Ethiopian.
    Eritrea are postive and fighting for poorty and hunger to be free from begged and able control dessies and be able managed resources and abilities sorciouces of her peoples skills in own policy out help or begged or aid from other or abroad.
    ERITREA government honest and wanted to give share to nighbour countries or athers as positive way to achieving as Eritrea done grewth hospital and education and infrastructure and building of road and bridge others in own ability excetera. ……
    Now time to help for Somalia, For Djibouti For Kenya for Ethiopian for Sudan For Uganda for othes. …
    Why but UN Or Western countries never wanted the good things of Eritrea government? ??

    Why UN and western or human rights with out evidence and rushed decided alway Against Eritrean peoples and government? ??
    ERITREA country is best in all directions in peace way and security saver than any nation in our world the fact but unfortunately The Media western are completely blackmail and false statement and views of Eritrean than truth in ground.
    ERITREA is lucky enough because her peoples known what happened and what is going on own county that’s why helping and supporting own government and trusty each others than abroad or UN or Western countries.
    Eritrea Government are lucky enough loved by his peoples and respect him.
    Never one in our world mostly love by own peoples infacty.
    Eritrea is never kneedown.

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  • Kalihari Snake

    Ethiopian Government’s refusal to withdraw from Eritrean land (Badme) that it continues to illegally occupy, has forced Eritrea to develop military and economic strategies, with Arab League nations. The Ethiopian Government, most Ethiopians, Eritreans sympathetic to Ethiopia, the USA and the UN can all clearly laude themselves for this unfortunate development. Their pre-occupation with denouncing Ghedli and berating Isaias, while at the same time disgracefully and immorally turning passive eyes on Ethiopia’s failure to respect the Rule of Law in regards to Badme and the final and binding decision of the UN EEBC, has now resulted in a situation where Eritrea will never see Ethiopians and its ports will never accommodate Ethiopian cargo. A job well done you pathetic lot of woyane intellectual geniuses. Ethiopia can now beg to Arab league port owners Djibouti and Somalia to increase their port capacity as you will have at least 15 million hungry mouths to feed.

    “Senseless people do not know, fools do not understand”

  • Kalihari Snake

    Romanticizing Ethiopia: Mengistu Haile Mariam as a small child once asked his mother “Am I really and truly an Ethiopian Habesha?” His mother replied “Oh my Lij Mengistu, you are indeed really an Ethiopian Habesha who will one day, by will or force, rise to lead this great Ethiopian Habesha nation and make proud your southern brothers and sisters and the other disadvantaged baria such as the Gurage and also the Oromos”. Menghistu Haile Mariam, the last “King of Kings” and the “Lion of Judah” continues until this day to live in peace and prosperity in Harare, Zimbabwe; while his royal Habesha predecessor was buried below a toilet in the Imperial Palace.

  • Siraj Steven

    mr derbew…Isayas..is the best african leader who never kneels down to anybody including USA..who fought and brought freedom to Eritreans..I applaud his courage and his unique leadership skill whose idea will benefit the people in the near future …you may have heard they sold there organs..drowned in the Mediterranean sea..they are adults they have a free will why are we blaming isayas..?..if they make it he knows they love there country once they settled down in Europe or america they will send money to there family ,the same time they will help there country..if they die..or eaten by sharks..well the shark won’t get hungry..he got lunch..we have to be humanitarians for the sake of the sharks too..Isayas and his comrades has nothing to do with what you stating here..the people themselves are retarded /majority..they have this qiraqimbo pride they holding..ungrateful..lier …hateful…illiterate..they hear 200 Eritreans drowned in the sea..the next day 600 of them try the arduous journey…and die….should we blame esayas for this..?….blaming esayas and ETHIOPIA won’t help them…all they have to do is.. acknowledge how good we ETHIOPIANS were to them..and beg for mercy…..yigermkal…because of them..i stopped eating fish…they drown in the sea..and the fish eat them…la la…i hate fish..

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Yoty,
    I think my comment is encapasated in your last paragraph. I will take that as an agreement, the rest is the other side of the argument which is not based on justice or fairness, or even humility, but based on arrogance and hegemonic aspiration. Take these two out if he equation (the threats and put downs) and everything will be so easy to resolve. Life is already complicated without entangling it some more.
    Thank you. the akhbrot is mutual.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear awate friends,

    truth remains truth always. working for peace doesn’t mean accepting the wrong but exposing it and correcting it .

    . . . .ንሰላም ዕሰሉ . . . .

    መንገዳ ቀረባ :- ፍትውቲ ብልጽቲ :-
    ንጹር ዝጥበባ :- ዘድከመ ት ሓሰዊቲ :-
    ማ ንም ነይቅንጥባ :- ዘይትቅየር ሓንቲ :-
    ሓቂ እያ ዕንባባ :- ንጽርቲ ብርህቲ ::-

    ሓቂ እያ ሓቂ :- ማእከላዊት ስንቂ :-
    ‘ታ መ ፍትሕ ኣብ ጭንቂ :- ቅጽበታዊት በርቂ ::

    ብዙሕ ኣይንቆሎው :- እታ መንገዲ ብዙ ሕ :-
    ኣይንበል ሃለውለው :- ሓሶት እያ ዝርንዝሕ :-
    ብቃላት ሰዋሰው :- ትመስል ትመርሕ
    ብዙሕ ቤላቤለው :: ገዛ ዘይተብጽሕ :-

    ግልብጥብጥ ኣመ ላ :- ዘይብላ ምዓላ :-
    ምትላል ኣመላ :- ክንደይ ኣጸሊላ :-
    ሓሶት ኣብ ምፍሻላ :- ትፈጥር ከለላ :-
    ሓቂ ተመ ሲላ :- ትኽደን ኣኽሊላ:-
    . . . . . . . . . ..ትቀርብ ሓይላ ::

    ዳሕራይ :-
    ሓሶት ልዕሊ ሓሶት :- መ ርገም እ ‘ዩ ብእሰት :-
    ሾንኮለል ሸኾርተት :- ዘልኣለም ምህውታት ::

    ሓሰውቲ እንተበዝሑ :- ይመስሉ ዝ ነቕሑ:-
    ኣመ ና ዝበልሑ – ቁም ነገር ነይሰርሑ ::

    ቁም ነገር ‘ሲ እነሆ :- ዘይድልዮ ሆሆ :-
    ንጹር ከም ማይ ንግሆ :- ሓቂ ን በል ይርሆ ::

    …..ደንበ ሕጊ ኣልቦ :-
    …………ኣብ ሓመድ ደርቦ :-
    ………………..መንገዱ ይጽበቦ :-
    ……………………………መዓልቱ ይዕረቦ ::

    ሓቂ ሓቂ በሉ :- ሰንደቅኩም ስቐሉ :-
    ሩፍታ ርኸብሉ :- ንሰላም ዕሰሉ ::

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    The UN issued its resolution and the final is pretty much the draft report.

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12094.doc.htm

    In short, the UN calls on Eritrea to grant access to SEMG to visit Eritrea and to account for the Djibouti prisoners of war from the 2008 Eritrea-Djibouti border skirmish. It extends the mandate of SEMG and arms embargo on Eritrea for another year.

    The Gov of Eritrea’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has also issued its reply:

    http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news/20657-press-release

    In short, the Gov of Eritrea laments the UN decision which it claims is without basis, asserts that this decision further diminishes the credibility of the UN, and reminds the UN to take measures against Ethiopia for violating Eritrean sovereignty.

    saay

  • T..T.

    Hi derebew,

    Speaking of those who support Isayas, they are just cowards and blind to the sufferings of our people. In Eritrea, the youth has lost hope and are told to be submissive to survive. They are told to do what Isayas tells them to do. As it goes there to weaken our people and turn them against each other: each is told to “just save yourself and don’t care about others including your family members.”

    Because the pro-Isayas Eritrean Diasporas don’t know what life is like under Isayas, they shamelessly condemn the Eritrean youth for fleeing hell of Isayas’s oppressive rule, the rule of slow death. Yes, the pro-Isayas Diasporas just don’t know that the sufferings inflicted on the Eritrean youth are the causes for their preferring to face and negotiate with organ harvesters rather than submitting to the injustice of Isayas. Even, the whole of Europe is a witness now that the dangers of the high-seas are nothing to the fleeing Eritrean youth because nothing compares to the hellish life they have been through before they crossed the borders of Eritrea.

  • derebew

    Hi AT
    I think a lot of Eritreans seem to be lost where to stand. Should they stand with PFDJ, well they know the worst enemy of Eritrea is not any one else but PFDJ. PFDJ has decimated the hopes and aspirations of a free people who had and are still sacrificing a lot for the freedom they aspired but still have nothing to show for it.
    Is it the massive migration of its people, the size of the prisons which have been swelling up beyond capacity, the disappeared without trace, the youth that drowned in the Mediterranean, those that became slaves for the Bedouin, those whose organs were stolen without anesthesia and disposed like an animal caracas in the desert, men and women violated in the most inhumane circumstances so much so the evil perpetrated on them is out of this world that it is hard to believe….. the list goes on, and the worst part of it is that it was caused and all the way masterminded by none other PFDJ. Alas this was the front that promised them freedom, liberty and prosperity when taking their children, as child soldiers, conscripted their fathers and mothers convincing them when it can or gang pressing them to sacrifice themselves and their children for the so called most noble cause worth dying for…FREEDOM and LIBERTY.
    Should we than be surprised if some still have that siege mentality that it is worth sacrificing the lamb, killing the country itself for which everything was supposed to have been sacrificed, so pride can be preserved regardless of the cost? This is what gamblers do and in their moment of engagement of the game they truly believe they are winning but time and again shows them that it is a losing game except in the fog of their imagination. Are some of Eritreans gambling their country away? Should any sane person engage the USA and the UNSC the way the Eritrean ambassador responded to the sanction. Well PFDJ’s modus operandi (failure from the beginning) has been to shoot first and then beg to talk, when cornered and yet they continue to shoot blanks as they think others will blink, a wrong calculation, always.
    Eritrea has to know that belligerence is not conducive to seeking justice even if one assumes are the wronged. Belligerence is an afront to others and worse still when it comes from the weakest country on earth, without a semblance of any system of governance like a pirate state, no constitution, no proper formulated judicial process, that imprisons its citizens in some instances the whole family for close to 2 decades without a day in court, whose economy is in tatters and willing to spend its merger resources to organize and arm fighters “to liberate and bring justice to the people of the neighbourhood”?
    If any Eritrean thinks the sanctions were not legitimate they should see a psychiatrist as they are delusional. Why do you think all the members of the UNSC save one renegade abstainer whose record is marcky voted for the sanction. The members of the UNSC are very diverse that they don’t see eye to eye on many current issues but all agreed to keep the sanction in place. I think this should have given those PFDJphites to pause and think. But would they? No how could they as they are afflicted with the same disease as PFDJ?
    The most funny comment I read was that one said that they “will not kill the Eritrean spirit”. I agree they will not. Why would they do that when Isias has accomplished that and more.
    Eritrea is at cross roads not from external threat but from the self devouring virus PFDJ.

    • T..T.

      Hi derebew and all,

      Eritrea has become where the capo bloodsucker and his authorized bloodsuckers are sucking our people dry mentally, emotionally, physically and financially. The capo bloodsucker can only thrive on power by destroying our people’s will to fight back. The capo and the authorized bloodsuckers know to manipulate our people’s weaknesses.

      Therefore, Eritrea has become a country where one has to be a servant of the master or a slave, a party member or a prisoner of the party, an abuser or the abused, pro-the-abuser or pro-the-people, the killer or the victim, the butcher’s accomplice or the butcher’s victims, a criminal or a crime victim, a culprit or an escapee, a shooter or a border crosser, a trouble-maker or a trouble-absorber, a thug or a victim of gang activities, a rapist or a rape victim, a rope that hangs or the hanged person, the list goes on

  • Ali

    please do not talk much let us do something and overthrow the regime in Asmara:

    The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports that in 2005 Eritrea’s gross domestic product (GDP) was estimated at $4.5 billion. The CIA defines GDP as the value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year and computed on the basis of purchasing power parity (PPP) rather than value as measured on the basis of the rate of exchange based on current dollars. The per capita GDP was estimated at $1,000. The annual growth rate of GDP was estimated at 2%. The average inflation rate in 2005 was 15%. It was estimated that agriculture accounted for 8.7% of GDP, industry 26.3%, and services 65%.

    Foreign aid receipts amounted to $307 million or about $70 per capita and accounted for approximately 34.2% of the gross national income (GNI).

    The World Bank reports that in 2003 household consumption in Eritrea totaled $835 million or about $190 per capita based on a GDP of $751.0 million, measured in current dollars rather than PPP. Household consumption includes expenditures of individuals, households, and nongovernmental organizations on goods and services, excluding purchases of dwellings. It was estimated that for the period 1990 to 2003 household consumption grew at an average annual rate of -3.9%. It was estimated that in 2004 about 50% of the population had incomes below the poverty line.

    I am surprised by those who defend the dead HIGDEF. why are the supporters of HIGDEF always tells us that we can be like Syria thanks to HIGDEF we are second in the immigration record we are dying we are getting harassed the only difference between Syria and Eritrea is there is no bombing to the government but civilians are dying because of the shoot and kill rule of the cruel government of Isayas.
    please do not discuss endless discussions like the egg and the hen let us be practical and defend our people and country.

  • Nitricc
    • Ted

      Hi Nitricc, i think we are getting so much needed break lately. Every time they( you know who here) accuse us destabilizing Ethiopia, we have the link we can refer them to. Let themselves battle it out.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ted, the sad part is every one knows why Eritrea is sanctioned. I observe with dismay when people support the unjust sanction because they have a beef with the government of Eritrea. There is a reason i call them a revenge seekers and not justice seekers. you can’t kill justice and cry for one.
        hey Ted, i am desperately want to know what ever happend to TPLF’s space program lol. i keep asking the Ethiopians and no one is answering me.

        • derebew

          Hi Nitro
          Space program is not executed overnight like the repeat over night blunders the PFDJ does. Space program takes a lot of preparation and work before dispatch. May you live long to see it, and maybe you will be happy your ken had done something incredible or may be you will self combust with either pleasure or jealousy, who knows?

        • Abel
  • Nitricc

    Hey Abi. last week i was in Phenix Az. and i run in to this cool gentleman from Ethiopia. he used to be a Derg Cadre in Asmara in Derg hay days. We are taking and i told him that i am an Eritrean-American, then about his days in Asmara. he told me that he used to go to the market and buys food from this old lady. and one time, he bought eggs and he requested for one free extra egg. I guess, in Amharic you will say “MERIQILIGN” and he said to her MERIQILIGN, she responded by saying ” be it to your good health” because in Tigrigna MERIQILIGN means wish me good. lol he said they went round and round till the poor lady run out of Mireq and he gave up too. i know i am not saying well but when he tells it, it is so funny, the lions would have laughed.

    • Abi

      Hi Nitricc
      Ethiopian lions never laugh. They roar ! Hyenas laugh
      Camels cry. ( I know what the camel herder is going to say)

      That is a nice story. That derg cadre didn’t use any power to take extra egg from the old lady. He just humbly asked for one more.
      What a gentleman! I’m sure the old lady is missing him.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Selam Awatistas,

    Without delving into the details of the sanctions that have been passed against Eritrea through the past years until now, I note one particular flaw with the very procedure of presentation of the sanctions proposals at the UN. As we know the SEMG is mandated to deal with issues that pertain both Eritrea and Somalia; this in itself would not be problematic though separate groups that deal with both countries would have been much preferable. But the most serious issue is the sanctions proposals are put in one resolution proposal, on cases that apply to Somalia as well as those that apply to Eritrea. This practice is unjust and unfair, remembering that the two countries are separate sovereign nations and hence deserve their cases to be seen by the UN security council independently. I wonder how the member states of the security council could vote on issues that deal with two separate countries in one resolution proposal? This is basically wrong, and has to be corrected in the future resolutions.

    • PTS

      Selam Abraham,
      You sounded more like Girma Asmerom.
      Betre: All including Russia voted in support of the resolution
      Girma: No the resolution was for the combined Somalia-Eritrea case and it is difficult not to vote for it
      Betre: Yes, but Russia voted for it
      Girma: I am telling you the resolution was not for Eritrea’s sanction but for the combination
      Betre: Did Russia voted for it or against it?
      Girma: YES, they voted for it, but again, I am telling you. The Russians had good words about Eritrea…
      Betre: But what good is if they had good words all day if they end up voting for it
      Girma: again, I am telling you the vote was for the combo. It is difficult not to vote for it….
      http://m.tigrigna.voanews.com/a/3020528.html

      • Saleh Johar

        PTS,
        The guy came straight from lunch, a McDonald Combo, leave him alone. Somalia-Eritrea Combo, it should be a meal 🙂

        • Eyob Medhane

          Gash Saleh, PTS,

          That must have been very frustrating for Betre Siltan to deal with. It is really sad that Populare, one of the best Arada neighborhoods of Addis Ababa raised two totally, diametrically opposite characters. Girma Asmerom a lying Sack of crap and Abi, one of the finest of Awate University… 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,
            You calling the Girma lair is fine with me, you calling Betre Siltan a sack of crap is not 🙂

            Abi is Arada? Let me make fun of myslef. I didn’t know what Arada until I visited Addis Ababa. I always thought of it differently–like Harada (our gutteral H not yours) so, in my mind, it was a slaughterhouse. Sorry Abi, it’s true. Then I was introduced to Qera.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Ha..Nah Betre is fine..But about Girma what makes me depressed about is that there are a lot of gullible people, who would get his sack of crap in Eritrea and believe that what ever he says is smart and true…

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Selam PTS,

        Did I sound like Amb. Girma Asmerom, really? The ambassador in his hopeless attempt to defend the undefensible tryied to conceal that Russia had in fact voted for the resolution. At some point, he even went to claim that Russia didn’t support the resolution, though he was forced to accept the bitter truth after the nagging from the VOA jounalist. Having said this, I feel, however, the ambassador had a point when he complained about the intermingling of issues that deal with two independent and sovereign states; Eritrea and Somalia were presented to the UNSC to vote in one and only one proposal. I still don’t understand how this could be done. Say a given UNSC member decided to vote one way or other for the issues that relate to Eritrea or Somalia; given that the proposal is only one, and they would only vote once, there is no way for the state to vote differently. I do not have the illusion that the countires at the UNSC would vote differently, as it all depends on the game of interests of the super powers, but out of respect for their sovereignty, fairness and justice, there should be separate voting for each accused country. It is simply incomprehensible why the states of Eritrea and Somalia didn’t object to this procedure from the get go.

    • Fnote Selam

      Hi Abraham,

      I have to admit I didnt know the exact procedure how the resolution was made. If what you are saying is true, it is very interesting, very similar to how the Bevin-Sforza plan where Eritrea was to be partitioned (highlands to Eth and lowlands to Sudan) failed.
      _ _ _
      During April, 1949, the UN again agreed to vote on another disposal plan presented to it by the British and Italian Foreign Ministers, the Bevin-Sforza deal. According to this plan, Eritrea was to be partitioned. The highland parts of Eritrea including Massawa and Assab were to be united with Ethiopia and the Western Province to be incorporated into the Sudan. The UN initially voted in favor of the partition plan. Nonetheless, due to the disagreement on other components of the deal – the partition of Libya– the Bevin-Sforza deal was at the end rejected as a whole.

      – – – –

      Hmmm….

      FS.

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Fnote Selam,

        Yes, indeed the sanctions proposal had issues that deal with both Eritrea and Somalia, and as it had been done throughout the past years; it was presented to the UNSC states to vote upon as one proposal. Find the link to the text of the sanctions resolution attached below, and judge for yourself.

        http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12094.doc.htm

        PS. The resolution is at the end of the page.

        • Fnote Selam

          Thanks Abraham.

          FS.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate friends,

    Gomida uploaded the attached Youtube, is it possible to reconcile without exposing the truth? I don’t believe covering Gedli’s mistakes will help us in solving problems. while accepting the bad the ugly and good abut our revolution is ours, we need know what the bad once are so not to repeat them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWLFLM5GqU4&feature=share

    • Kokhob Selam

      ትንትን ይበል – ታሪኽ ይተናተን :-
      ታሪኽ ሰውራ -ሕማቕን ጽቡቕን :-

      እቲ እከይ – ቀንጻልን ኣሳርን :-
      . . . እቲ ጽቡቕ -ንመሰል ዓጣቕን :-
      እቲ እከይ- ገባርን ሓዳግን :-
      . . . እቲ ውፉይ -ስውእን ሓላፍን :-
      ነይጠዓዓሙ እቲ ሓቅን ሕሶትን ::

      ሓዲኡ ትርገጽ ሰውራና ትመስክር :-
      ኣይነፍቅድን ላንጋ ላንጋ ምንባር :-
      …እንተስ ኮይና ንመሰል ንሃገር :-
      እንተስ ኮይና ፈሳስ ዕትሮ ስባር :-
      …እንተስ ‘ቲ ገባቲ ክሕምሸሽ ክስበር :-
      ድልየት ሓፋሽ ዘልኣለም ክኸብር ::

  • saay7

    Selamat awatistas:

    It’s Saturday! I am now going to line up the Ghedli romantics on one side and the Ghedli-grateful on the other side.

    The song is Fihira’s classic ዓርኪ ሕልፎት:

    The Ghedli-romanticizing version

    https://youtu.be/p-p5r_OpS9g

    And the Ghedli-normalizing version:

    https://youtu.be/90FssTGswPk

    I know where Mahmouday is, I know where Tsatse is, and I know where I am:) Not clear about the rest of you.

    saay

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam SAAy7
      I know where everyone is.
      Tzigereda=singing “naay temaali nebri naay lomi meraHit, ajoKi eretrawit”
      RawhaT= Alel. ..Alel…
      Abi: xbeQti Gual Asmara
      Nitrickay=ye habasha qonjo
      Amde= ye Africa mokria, enate EtioPia
      Horizon=and hzb and tarik. ke guad dawit w/giorgis gara wedefit.
      Pro.tes: missing in action, probably tinkering with his crude newtonian devices, or in his meditation session.
      A HIDRAT= What’s wrong with mahmuday? Where is the tissue (feeeeTTT)
      Ted? He is back to the days in Qiera. He knows more abyotawi zefenoch than sewrawi derftat
      dawit: preparing tomorrow’s sermon.
      Saleh G JOHAR: always on a mission. Thanks for the song
      I can’t really post all the wonderful awatistas, but I know they are doing what they should do on the weekend:talking politics.
      Saay, there are songs that fit the above, but it will be impossible for me to post them from the device I’m using, and also space wise, not so wise. So, I will go with Arki Helfot.

  • PTS

    Good Saturday to all
    Behind all the fake outrage, I sense the PFDJ has calculated that maintaining the sanctions, just like maintainig the border issue, is in its interest. These two issues, the sanction and the border have become proven method of keeping Eritrea in a state of emergency, giving tyrant Isaias and his circles blank check to do whatever they wish to do with the fate of the 5 million of us. If you look at the conflict with Djibouti for instance, in the face of the UNSC citing it year after year, why in the world would Isaias want to keep the handful Djiboutian POWs? Why not just release them and close the case for good? Well that is one of cards Isaias plays to spoil the chances of lifting the sanction. The sad thing is, by driving the media inside Eritrea into extinction, Isaias averted any kinds of scrutiny by the public and army. In my view the lack of media, more than anything else, is what’s keeping him in power. Unfortunately, judging the past and the present, he still have many years to continue to wreck havoc on Eritrea’s future.

  • PTS

    lol

  • Abi

    Hi all
    Where is Haile TG? His silence is deafening.

  • Amanuel

    Hi Hope
    Let me give you some examples. In the mid 90 ties EDF was sent to D.R. Congo, South and East Sudan with out the knowledge and approval of Hagerawi Baito. Now, few months ago the regime support was with Houthis but after IA visit to SA, he switched sides. Do you see any long term national interest or principle involved apart from just grabbing the $ on offer and move on. As in all authoritarian regimes EDF is there to execute what the regime see fit.

  • saay7

    Tsatse:

    Refer to the answer I gave Mahmuday on the sanctions. As for metkel you are taking me to 1978…to the East, to the East. Here’s how it went, when Chairman Mahmuday wore his shorts and had an Afro pick: tune your guitar

    መትከል! መትከል! ክብል ሓፋሽ መልእኽቱ ሰዲዱ:
    ንመትከል ዓንቀጽቲ: ጉዶም ቀላሊዑ:
    ድሕሪ እተን ገጠራት: ሓዘት ከተማታት
    ኣጽዋር ናይ ጸላኢ: ምስ ምሉእ ዕጥቅታት:
    መሳርሒ ሓይሊ ግዝያዊ ታንክታት!

    saay

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Selam All,

    Ato Girma Asmerom, in his interview with the VOA-Tigringna stated that the SEMG was given a direct access inside Eritrea to Eritrean officials; while the recent SEMG report clearly puts it that it was denied direct access inside Eritrea during its mandate. Which one of these claims is true; naturally both cannot be true, as they are conflicting. Anyone in the Knowing?

    • saay7

      Selam Abraham:

      Maybe Girma Asmerom is using short hand. In his official reply, he had said the Monitoring Group visited Eritrea “in previous times.” He is talking about 2007-08 or earlier, when the Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea used to be called the Monitoring Group on Somalia. Short answer: the monitoring group, SEMG, has never been allowed to visit Eritrea and was, instead, meeting officials like Yemane Gebreab and Girma Asmerom outside Eritrea (Europe, U.S., Egypt.)

      Saay

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Selam Saay,

        Aha, thank you for your quick reply. Ato Girma Asmerom is, as usual, playing the deception game, but this time he is lying on an independent (with respect to the PFDJ-regime) radio, the VOA. It is shameful.

  • Solomon Haile

    Selamat Awatista,
    10/22 Holly excremental! Corn ident??? I think NOT. On this day 10/22 I landed on JFK Airport and took a livery to Harlem driven by a dentist… Man I do remember the Bridge and I do remember the Brothas and Sistas nodding while standing up all the way to the floor and beTtta straighten out right away only to repeat the slll oo wwwww nod back down. BEttaaaa this was 34 years to the day right after my conversations with the Greeks in Athens. Our topic was: “What is reality” Though yet to be introduced to the voice, upon seeing the glass doors disappear and appear and the Greeks expected 49 Africans to make 49 whole hens disappear with their forks and knives, OUR HANDS, did it faster…I said to the great Greek Philosopher s in response to their THIS IS NOT REALITY this “watcha talking about Willis” puckered lips and all Welcome to NY baby! On 1010/010110 TsaTse

    • Ted

      Hi Solomon, Tsa Tse, is it to mean ፃፀ (an ant), you writing is hard to comprehend.

      • Solomon Haile

        Hey Ted, I will be registering for a writing course with professor Beyan Negash. That is if we. Manage to Split California into six states so that we can have twelve senators ten more than what we have now…. Afterwards we can take over not only Riverside but also Cal for it is BEARS territory TED. Yeah it means ant an SOB TsaTse

        • Ted

          Hi Solomon, i don’t recommend Beyan Negash’s writing class, just dumb it a little bit down. So what do you think the whole UN and sanction fiasco.

          • Solomon Haile

            Hey Ted: I never thought that I would ever say this: David put it best:”The UN has sanctioned Eritrea since its name was League of Nations.” Whar do I think about the UN sanctions? Hogwash!
            (You are probably witnessing me bug Saay true to my nick Ant. It is because we tried to teach and stear young awate.com so that the current oil less machine is not reached…Yes we foresaw all this to come and pass)
            TsaTse

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas,

    Here is the hypocrisy of Ambassader Girma Asmerom.

    Russia supported the SEMG resolution of 2015 and voted in favour of the resolution that sanctions over Eritrea. However Girma was just happy because Russia did excuses on the sanction during her oral hearings. This is just for kids.

    Well done VOA, you asked very relevant question to expose the hypocrisy of the ambassador.

    http://m.tigrigna.voanews.com/a/un-security-council-resolution-on-eritrea-and-somalia/3020534.html

    tes

  • Nitricc

    Greetings to all Ethiopians. i am always intrigued how the Ethiopians are enumerated with the Lions. Ethiopians bigest hospital, Tukur Anbesa, Their city buses, Anbesa, their strongest mechanized army Anbesa; even on their old flag is Anbesa.
    I can understand why Eritreans are associated and admired Camels, simply put Gedli. but what is the Ethiopians beef with the loins? then i watched this short video, I understood why the few, Brave and confidence Eritreans chasse away the Ethiopians including taking Asab with them.

    now, watch this short Video and see for your self the ultimate face of between the hungry lions and Eritreans.

    Moda, please let this video be shown, please

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBpu4DAvwI8

    • Abi

      Hi Nitricc
      Let me add one for you
      A good whiskey = yeAnbessa wetet.

      • Ted

        Hi Abi, you got it wrong. Yeanbessa wetet is
        Ouzo/Areqie with ice with white color.

    • betri_weyn

      Dear Nitric
      Shall I say Thank you or what should I say for your heartbreaking Greetings? I would prefer not to say the first one coz it’s haram. I would like to add something about the lions and the Ethiopians just 4 u.
      @the lion of trenches converters
      @the lion of military operations
      @the lion of the horn
      @the lion of economic power of the horn

      • Nitricc

        Hi Betri_weyn. really lol. aren’t you forgetting a little and minor details? how about adding to your list like
        @lions of begging.
        @lions of deception.
        just last weak your hideous and ugly looking PM was begging for food to feed the people. if that is not enough embarrassment; this stupid idiot, he is busy harassing Eritrea while Egypt is breathing at his face.
        hey, what ever happened to your space program? lol you guys are funny.

        • Solomon

          Hey Nitricc,
          Watch this week’s CNN go program and you will find some answers about Ethiopia’s space program and more.

        • Abi

          Hi Nitricc
          Aya Anbessa
          Min yibalal? Tebedro
          Min yikeflal? Man tenagro!

          The space program is discontinued because of the lack of high achieving eritreans in the program.

        • betri_weyn

          Dear nitrc
          There had been seven major drought years during the last 24 years, some of them comparable to dergue and Haileselase era droughts, but unlike during the latter two eras when millions perished from starvation due to droughts, no single person died from starvation since the day weyane/EPRDF took power. This is one of the most significant weyane/EPRDF achievements that needs to be emphasized over and over.
          On top of the above historic achievement, during the same (last) 24 year
          EPRDF fought
          @Climate-trenches
          @Wedi-afom trenches
          As we have break the backbone of neighbour made trenches. It’s true we have done good to avoid climate-trenches catastrophe, but we have big challenge to break the backbone of climate-trenches. during the last 12 years, Ethiopia became one of the lucky few countries in the entire world that had achieved double digit economic growth, every year , without any interruption. Every one with sane mind knows these facts!
          The prevalent drought, the uninterrupted sabotages coming from the wedi-afom or any other man made or natural obstacles could not hinder weyane/EPRDF from fending off starvation and death caused by drought, but instead, the EPRDF led the country to huge economic improvements

        • Dear Nitricc,

          why don’t you send some of the surplus food you have produced with your self-reliance and self-sufficiency myth, or is it an empty bragging, or do you want ethiopians to go hungry in silence as eritreans are doing under your dia? as an ethio-eri-american; do you know what exactly is happening in ethiopia and eritrea? let me guess; you know much about ethiopia, but very little about eritrea. your experience about eritrea is limited, because you have not lived there for a reasonable number of years.

          nature is out of human control and prediction. may be you are abhored with the incompetence of ethiopians for not controlling nature. unfortunately, only dictators can do that, i.e. MHM and dia. until ethiopia is able to do that and reach the level of dia’s eritrea, you can laugh and enjoy yourself at her expense. nevertheless, have you heard what rational people say; that he who laughs last laughs best. until then, have your fun. it will calm your anger for your lost dreams and your limitless frustrations. do you remeber, a long time ago you had said that you are like a bird sitting on the fence between two gardens, ethiopia and eritrea, waiting to catch the worm from both gardens. that is the saddest thing, my friend, and not what you are saying about poor hungry ethiopians or about the ethiopian PM, who happens to be a lot better than your incompetent dictator whom you revere so much, even though he destroyed the future of a whole nation.

          as much as your obsession with egypt is concerned, if you could, you would fall on egypt’s feet begging her to attack ethiopia. that is how much you hate ethiopia, even though your relatives are there for security reasons, and you visit ethiopia now and then, because you do not want to set foot in eritrea you love only from a distance.

          lastly, about the space program; oh, you better know, it is the new dream of ethiopia, replacing the singapore dream that went bust on your face. know yourself, get down of your high horse, deflate your arrogance, and learn the reality of the people whom you call your people just out of habit and not out of conviction.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all, what I read from Haile the great last year regarding sanction,

    “An Ethiopian poet, Bewketu Siyoum, in three lines put unspeakable crimes of the communists. Sanction against them is nothing, they should be brought to justice for human life is precious. history shows communists never repent instead they add sins to the end of their life. Sanction against the mad man in Asmara should not be lifted rather they should be enhanced. It is a good lesson for his comrades in other part of the world too.” and there was an image, who can remember it? http://awate.com/un-sanctions-on-eritrea-will-continue-indefinitely/

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Horizon,

    as you and me agreed earlier our sisterly nations will work together against poverty. we both people have started the People to people discussions leaving aside political sides, more to go still, yet things are promising. Here we have to be careful for example the meeting you mentioned here seems confusing to some. when Ethiopian opposition and PFDJ try to politicize it the People to People work will lose it’s meaning and will be in danger . for simple reason, PFDJ is not a legal party and is against peace of both people, again Ethiopian opposition are not different. to put in in Amharic,

    በኢትዮጵያና ኤርትራ ህዝቦች መካከል ከፖሎቲካው ጨዋታ በላይ ከፍ ያለ የማይነቃነቅ ስር ያለው ታሪካዊ ወንድማማችነት ስለመኖሩ ኣጠያያቂ ኣይደለም :: ብነዚህ ሁለት ወንድማማች ህዝቦች መካከል ያለው የመቀራረብና የጋራ መንፈስ ሁሌም ይታያል ። ለዚህም ነው “ህዝብ ለህዝብ “ የሚለውን ጥሪ ተጠቅመህ የህዝብን ፍላጎት በዝብዘህ ለመቅረብ እየተሞከረ ያለው :: የድሮው የኢትይጵያ ኣምባገነናዊ ስርኣት ደጋፊዎችና የኣሁኑ የኤርትራው ኣምባግነናዊ ስርኣት ደጋፊዎች የሚያደርጉት የ “ኣልሞት ባይ ተጋዳይ” ትግል ሁላችንም በጥልቅ ስንመለከተው ቆይተናል :: እንግዲህ የቀራቸው ምርጫ ይህን የህዝብን ጥሪ ለመስረቅ መሞከር ነው :: ግን እንዴት ተብሎ ይቻላል ? ይህ ህዝብ በማያቋርጥ ትግል ያፈራቸው ኣስተዋይ ጀግኖችና ኣርቆ ኣሳቢምህሮች እያሉ የባለጌውች ሽርግብ የት ሊደርስ ?

    ፩ – ህዝብ ለህዝብ የሚለው የህዝብ ፍላጎት በህዝብ መካሄድ ይኖርበታል ::
    ፪ – “ህዝብ ለህዝብ ” ፍላጎትን የሚያሰናክሉ ነጥቦች የማያጣጥም – የፍላጎቱ ተከላካይ ሊሆን ኣይችልም ::
    ልምሳሌ :
    ሀ – ከህግደፍ መሪ ኤስያስ ኣፍወርቂ ጋር ዝምድና በማድረግ ላይ ያሉ ራሳቸውን የኢትዮጵያ መንግስት ተቃዋሚዎች ነን ብለው የሚጠሩ ስብስቦች ሉዓላዊ ነት ላይ ያላቸው ጽንሰ ሃሳብ የተዛባ ነው :: ይህ የተዛባ ኣስተያየት የሁለቱን ህዝብ ፍላጎት የሚጻረር ከመሆኑ ብላይ ታሪክን የሚክድ ኣስተያየት ነው ::
    ለ – ራሱን የኤርትራ መሪ ነኝ ብሎ ስልጣን በኃይል ይዞ የሚገኘው የወሮበሎች ስብስብ በኤርትራና ኢትይጵያ ህዝብ ማሰብ ቀርቶ ለራሱ ማህበር ኣባሎች በሰላም መምራት ያልቻለ ህግንና ስርዓትን ያልተቀበለ ለመሆኑ ጥናት የሚያስፍልገው ክስተት ኣይደለም :: እና በየትኛው መስፈርት ህዝብ ልህዝብ የሚለውን ታላቅ ስራ ያካሂዳል ተብሎ ይጠበቃል ?

    ይህ የተቀደሰ ዓላማ ትክክለኛና ተጨባጭ ትርጉም እንዲኖረው ፥ ስራ ላይ የሚያውለው ሰፊው ህዝብ ብቻ ነው ::

    ድል ለሰፊው የኢትዮጵያና ኤርትራ ህዝብ :: Kokhob Selam

    • ዉድ ኮከብ ሰላም፣

      ኣደፍራሾች እስካሉ ድረስ ሰፊው ህዝብ በሰላም ሊኖር ኣይችልም ። look at what is important to the ordianry people and our elites, two groups of people. while people are craving for peace and their economic wellbeing, the elites are speaking of power, hegemony, dignity, identity, the importance of belonging to the one or other ethnic group, purity of genes, history, mythology etc, and they are ready to wage wars for the sake of the above, of course, themselves paying no consequences. they believe that these concepts are the beginning and the end of everything in the world, the atom with which human beings are constructed. suppose the ethiopian and the eritrean governments were to disappear by some sort of magic over night, do you think that ethiopians and eritreans would wage war on each other the next day. be sure, you will see them sitting together chatting and laughing and sipping their coffee, and at the same time saying, good riddance. this could be utopian, but life is as simple as that in the normal world, where there are no spoilers (the elites).

  • Saleh Johar

    Aha, dear Eyob,
    Since you said it, now tell us the same classification from the Ethiopian side, from which segment do the believe rant elements come? I wish this costly rivalry stopped, but it doesn’t seem it will. That is in you. 🙂

    • Eyob Medhane

      Gash Saleh,

      Honestly, from the Ethiopian side, there is very little mean spirited behavior…it is very much skin deep…Believe me..

      • Saleh Johar

        Eyob,
        I am lost–sometime you and others are boasting “Eritrea is no more in the Ethiopian mind” and then you contradict that. Which one is it? Schizophrenia neger 🙂

        • Eyob Medhane

          Gash Saleh,

          Amde has responded everything I may need to respond to your comment above in his comment to one the “commenters”, who would make me feel like I am pulling myself way down to acknowledge. So, Please scroll up and look at Amde’s response. I agree with 1000%.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Horizon,

    Oh one more thing,

    For those, who are elated that we are “hungry”, here is a late comer news…

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/23/us-ethiopia-wheat-idUSKCN0SH28C20151023

    Now they can lock up their port with a dead bolt…

    • tes

      Dear Eyob Mehanie,

      I think you are in mess-up today. What happened to you buddy; Here you are at awate.com not at Tesfanews or meskerem. Do not go on nagging man. If you go on getting crazy on what meskerem and tesfanews say about Ethiopia, I am sure you will hate yourself.

      1. There is no doubt that Ethiopia will challenge this drought. One thing may be is with the animals. They may die. On the same talk though, I read that Ethiopian Beer campany is distributing billions worth of by-products for free to for animal feed. they should plan a strategy to transport these animal feed to the area where it is now highly needed.

      2. Ethiopia should officially claim to the international community for use the ports of Eritrea to ship food aid to the drought affected people. It is time to ask for this help.

      tes

      Extra:

      As for me, I am just responding to you. Nothing to do with Ethiopia as a country.

      Let me tell you this: You are fine except your Arabiphobia and imperialistic mindset.

    • Dear Eyob,

      what some people fail to understand is that, unlike the 70s and 80s, ethiopia not only does not hide anymore the problem of feeding her people, but she has a solution too, and she is showing it in practice. moreover, she is developing irrigation farming to fight the effect of climate change, and irrigation farming is going to play an important role in food procurement. new farming methods like in line planting and new technologies are also increasing the output. what ethiopians have to do to defeat poverty and hunger has nothing to do with what they think of themselves, but what they can do in practice with their hands and brains. fortunately, i think that the culture of hard-work is gaining ground gradually. if ethiopia continues like this for a decade or so, there is a chance she will overcome the problem of food shortage.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Horzon,

        What amazed me about this news is we BOUGHT so much wheat that one port couldn’t handle it. I think that is sweet justice…knowing our inability to take care of ourselves for a long time…

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam All
    It has been clear by now that the toothless UN is doing American evil power projection. There has never been a reason to sanction Eritrea on the basis of its alleged ties with Al-Shabab, because there has never been such a relationship. UN has spent years in digging for evidence but came out empty-handed. The sponsor and enforcers of the sanction (USA) knew it then and knows it now. Therefore, it has to keep shifting reasons, now Ethiopia and Djibouti! Somalia, the primary reason of why Eritrea’s became entangled into this bizarre diplomatic showmanship, characterized by the tradition of bullying small states, is now on the back burner.
    Why are we here?
    1. Whether it is a matter of ineptitude or an intentional design to cause a sense of besieging on the psyche of Eritreans so that not to think about internal issues, IA government chose an erroneous policy in going alone against the UN (USA), and it did not correct itself when a UN recognized Somalian government was formed. This hurt Eritrea. Its moral high-ground as the party that kept its signed promise to accept EEBC ruling as it is was undermined. Because, as of the above reasons, it chose a wrong strategy on Somalia, a country that has no immediate national interest to Eritrea.
    2. That left the field wide open for Ethiopia, actually a golden gift on a silver platter, to control the Ethio-Eritrean conflict narration in diplomatic circles. And given its weight and history, Ethiopia did really well in misinforming and manufacturing bogus evidences. Ethiopia knew exactly what ticks the USA, and played it smartly. In the process, Ethiopia, a party that walked away from an agreement it signed, has prepped the world (USA) into believing that it could serve it if the world (USA) helps it in subduing Eritrea and making it accept Ethiopian terms. The world/UN (aka USA) has found a deal it could not turn down. Ethiopia would do the dirty tasks of USA in the neighborhood and USA would work in neglecting EEBC ruling. It worked perfectly. Leaked diplomatic cables, John Bolton accounts (USA ambassador to the UN). ex-USA diplomats…all indicate that USA has indeed brought this sanction in order to recruit Ethiopia. The question then is how about the other toothless UN permanent members?
    a/ PFDJ bad diplomacy could not entice them to make a good fight
    b/ All super powers save their ammos for a purpose that garners a proportional return. Say, by not vetoing the sanction, China could reserve the favor of gaining a reciprocal treat from the USA in matters that are bigger than Eritrea. And once a sanction is in place it is hard to get out of it. All that is needed is the threat that it will be vetoed by the USA. Therefore, Eritrea’s task should have been avoiding it in the first place.
    What has it got with a democratic change in Eritrea? NOTHING…NOTHING. There is no correlation between sanctions and the dawning of democratic day. On the contrary, sanctions tend to insulate regimes from getting blamed for the failures they cause by attributing them to “external enemies”. Sanctions create “justifications” for the sanctioned regimes to heighten the primacy of security thereby tightening public spaces, and bolstering control over the ruled. The primary casualties of sanctions tend to be the poor, mostly women and children). There is documented evidence that sanctions do not result in democratization (and most of the sanctions have happened in our life time, anyway), if that was what the opposition thought. I hope that was their intention, otherwise why would they become the instruments of Ethiopia and the USA in an action that had zero input in influencing internal Eritrean dynamics? The point: Eritreans should really think about this. This has nothing to do with the cry of Eritreans for justice and change, nothing. On the contrary it was meant to isolate Eritrea, and let it implode (PMMZ words and strategy). In the process Ethiopia has gotten away with its belligerence.
    When I read events I think of them in two terms.
    1. Do they have anything to do with improving the lives of Eritreans? Do they give hope to the fleeing young people?
    2. Do they influence the internal political dynamics for a better future (change)?
    The sanctions have nothing of these. They serve only Ethiopia, and by extension the USA.
    What should be done?
    -President Obama, has been a failure when it comes to policies of the USA in Africa and the Middle East. I remember Hillary Clinton’s mid night call ad. Paraphrasing, she asked,” If a tough call comes from somewhere in the world (global crisis) who would you trust to answer that call?” Obama has been a disaster. Imagine, he stops in Addis Ababa, and word about a war that consumed around 100,000 lives, no word at all!! His mentor has been Susan Rice, and it seems Susan rice is just another ISSAYAS, she has misused her authority to punish IA, since he treated her like a junior in the 98-2000 war, then you have another Rice (COndi) and her envoy Jendayi Fraser, back to Susan Rice, again if Hillary become the president, there is a good chance Suasan Rice will remain in a senior position of the State Department or the NSA. So no hope that USA will lift the unjust sanctions. So what then?
    – Eritrea needs to get involved in dialogue with the USA. It needs to open the USA embassy, it needs to release or put on trial the USA embassy employees; it needs to release political prisoners; it needs to engage its citizens including the opposition on a genuine and solution-oriented new initiative. Based on how genuine it is, I am sure many citizens will respond in kind. The immediacy is creating a normalcy. Regime change could be a bit of a luxury at this time.
    – It needs to engage the EU and work out an agreement where any grants/aids are used for creating opportunities for the youth.
    (Part II to follow time permitted)
    This has been special edition of TBS (to be edited).

    • tes

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      Simply a gibberish hateta. Better to be posted at meskerem. One of the awful piece I have ever read within this 2 years stay at Awate University.

      Just one point: no one to be blamed for the sanction. It is a reward given on DIA’s policies and he deserves it. Eritrean people were way sanctioned by DIA himself before 2009. Eritreans started to flee right after the PFDJ political crisis, in 2001. It has been 8 years.

      Another point: there is no doubt for the funding, training and all kinds of support bestowed to Al-Shabab. If they couldn’t find any trace, it is only because they couldn’t open their own files.

      tes

      • Hope

        Tes,
        Even worse gibberish response!
        Do u know the meaning of ” gibberish”?
        Before was the word “Chauvenists ” and ” now gibberish”,simply coz he did not agree with you!
        Limit your thirst to be more Catholic than the Pope and” I know better” kind off GIBBERISH argument and rotten mentality!
        Respect and Integrity,please!
        It is free of charge!

        • tes

          Dear Hope,

          What is wrong with you my friend?

          tes

    • saay7

      Harbeyna Mahmuday:

      Meetu Mahmuday? Ny ayam “Aqani thewria” tsem’3 3lka?

      “This has been special edition of TBS (to be edited).” says it all.

      Yeah, and before you edit it, read all the SEMG reports beginning with 2007, before the SEMG had an E in its name.

      Otherwise, I am running a coup and kicking you out of TBS:)

      saay

      • Ted

        Hi Saay, “‘ watch your back,TBS appreciate though your heads up” I am running a coup and kicking you out of TBS:)” before going for it.

        If SEMG’s true nature is the same from the beginning, it is coming very clear by the day they are a bunch of people who don’t need to move out of their office to make the case against Eritrea. How long it take for you to realize you were cheated by them.

        • saay7

          Hey Ted, I know, I am terrible coup-leader, always announcing my plans, which defeats the purpose. But that’s because I am into “democratic coups.”

          The thing with SEMG is really about highlighting whether Isaias Afwerki is fit to lead a country within a concept of “family of nations”. So, in many ways, it is about solidifying what we the people know–that he is arrogant and cares little for law or constraints–to the rest of the world.

          I can’t thing of a single thing that the SEMG accused the Isaias Afwerki regime where I said, nah, that is a bit far-fetched. This has nothing to do whether they were able to prove it or not, or whether the accusations ring true to you from everything you know about the regime:

          Would it support Al-Shabab if it meant it would bloody Weyane? Check.
          Would it stumble into yet another border/territorial skirmish this time with Djibouti? Check.
          Would it coerce and initimidate Eritreans into paying the 2% tax? Check.
          Would it direct revenues from mining or the 2% tax to fund any adventure that strikes Isaias’s fancy? Check.
          Would it host a rag-tag group of Ethiopian opposition groups to bring about change in Ethiopia? Check.

          A lot of the “nationalist” defense from our side is, to quote LBJ, the defense of “he might be an SOB but he is our SOB so leave him alone!” 🙂

          Stealth coup d’etat on TBS now on full swing. The coup shall not be televised.

          saay

          • Ted

            Hi Saay, if you listened the eulogy Suzan Rice gave in addis, you would know she is a woman of her word no matter IA grows tail in his behind or wings on his back. Our aspiration for rule of law and justice in our country have not aligned with their geopolitical ambition.It is high time we go our own ways that for far to long we(the opposition) have been riding two horses as the same time. I agree with all “check” and i would be able to come up the same “check” from Weyane part not to mention they are still squatting in our territory..”the lesson is that Isaias Afwerki understands lessons very late” I think It is US who is slow to react to new reality. It is the telling all ~14 members were vetoed by US.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted: It just occurred to me: does the TBS have the necessary quorum to discuss this issue? What do you mean by “our aspiration for rule of law and justice in our country have no aligned with their geopolitical ambitions”? You make it sound that, on the one hand, there is a just country governed by rule of law, and on the other, geopolitical ambitions of the US.

            As for the claim that all SC members were for lifting the sanctions but the US vetoed it, the only source for that is Herman Cohen, last seen in these pages with a grand strategy of neutralize Susan Rice which, sadly for his lobbying career, didn’t work out:

            http://awate.com/leaked-memo-eritreas-plan-to-neutralize-susan-rice/

            saay

          • Ted

            Hi Saay,We need to discuss this issue and you being in a dog house(coup attempt) doesn’t help the TBS. What i mean by “no aligned with ” is, US want to demolish our house while we want to restructure/remodel/ it.
            It is not far fetched to believe Cohen’s claim 14 +/- France and Uk considering what countries like Angola presented adequately regarding the unfairness of monitoring group. if these countries and others can see the prejudice of UN, why can’t Eritrean opposition. In a long run, the sanction and monitoring group shenanigans is a liability for the justice struggle, if it is not already.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            How was the recession conference of the lost souls of derg remnants? Was it that assignment given to you on the meetings?

            tes

          • saay7

            Hey Ted:

            1. Disagree the U.S. “intent is to demolish our house” as there is no interest that accrues to them by doing so.
            2. Disagree also on lobbyist Herman Cohen overstating his “almost had it” claim that, absent US veto, the sanctions were gone. France (Djiboutis sugar daddy) not happy by El Stubborno decision to stall on the issue. The UK is the pen holder ( the P3, that is US, UK, France take turns owning a resolution, aka pen holder, and UK owns the Eritrea Somalia resolution.) in fact, the P3 negotiate with Russia and China, the other permanent members, and then tell the elected 10, hurry up and give us your input, but u have 2 days to do it and don’t upset what the Big 5 have already agreed on. It’s called the big bad world that Isaias & Co are unaware about, apparently.

            So Angola chad Venezuela Nigeria can whimper here and there but the P3 own the world. And that, as Bruce Almighty told you, is how the cookie crumbles.

            If I were Isaias, I would resolved the Djobojti crisis tomorrow and ask the Ethio oppo to follow the trail blazed by Molla. Since I am not, let’s think like him and think “in the next US administration….” which takes us to January 2017, and only of Hillary Clinton (a woman with a long memory about the time he wouldn’t take her call) is not elected.

            We need an emergency meeting of TBS after Chairman Mahmoud returns.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY
            I read Awate.com position and I believe it was the most responsible one among the opposition groups. It did have parameters/criteria. And I can understand why it’s an uphill battle to correct every mess IA has made. Awate could base its judgment on “facts” available at that time, and on observations you have just enumerated above. I would also check all of them. Overall the Eritrean government’s arrogant posturing on inviting individuals like Awey, and putting up a toothless fight against the USA on supporting factions the international community (USA) wanted Eritrea to part with was a fatal blunder. Any government that made that misjudgment could easily register other misjudgments too. But we are talking about could and would. And that’s precisely because we suspect IA could do it. Regardless of the validity, as the smartest Eri-Guy ever breathing, I think you have to put it within its revised context which Awate.com also seems to highlight.The latest USA backed draft of the UN went ahead along this thinking: we suspect him but we don’t have evidence. Since he is an ex-con of similar acts, he could be the suspect. Even though we don’t have a warrant to search his house, he is our suspect. We have an unjust court and a biased jury.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Mahmud,

            Let me push a little bit on this, would you say that the sanctions helped (not remove) tame IA vis-a-vis actively interfering in military adventures around the region? Is it too far fetched to assume that if there were no sanctions, IA would have used Bisha money to buy military equipment’s that would have fooled him to wage war against Eth or other country in the region?

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam FS
            Firstly, you can not shift reasons retroactively. The purpose of the sanction was to punish Eritrea in matters that are related to its alleged ties with Al-shabab. Then came Djibouti. The Al-Shabab link was made on fabricated materials. It has been debunked. Eritrean-Djiboutian matter is about border. Consider this: Ethiopia has practically refused to implement an agreement it signed. It has not been sanctioned. Actually, it has become an enchanting ballerina for the Rices. Jandayi Frazer also pushed for sanctions but the Texan cow boy refused. Now, the inept and toothless Obama, an illiterate of African contexts (his home continent) has been basically controlled by the much experienced Susan Rice who has an ax to grind when it comes to Eritrea. I don’t know why Eritrea does not go the UN way on the Djibouti issue. I said this and I repeat it. This is beyond Qatar’s charming approaches. At the end we will pay the price. This does not imply Eritrea was the aggressor. It just implies Eritrea appears to have once more misjudged world configuration and its place within it.
            That’s just a background. I don’t think the sanction curtails Eritrea’s ability to use mining revenues for military expenditures if it wants to do so. The government that is saying it would invade another country is sitting in Addis Ababa. Think of this: PMHD is saying anything that happens in Ethiopia is a trigger to go to war against Eritrea. This is dangerous. PMHD wants to send two messages through this.
            a/ Ethiopia does not have armed opposition; anything of an armed nature is directly related to Eritrea. This is meant primarily for domestic consumption. Embassies of the world in Addis know that there are many armed Ethiopian factions in the country, not supported by Eritrea. But he wants Ethiopians and the world to believe that everything is good in Ethiopia.
            b/ He is prepping up world opinion in case if he ventures north crossing the border.
            Therefore, my friend the bull of the neighborhood at this time is the Ethiopian regime. If you bring supporting Ethiopian opposition, is not Ethiopia doing the same? You see, I am clear on this too. I don’t support either country to support armed factions against the other in its soil. If Eritreans want to wage an armed struggle, let them do it from and in Eritrean soil. If Ethiopians want to fight their government, they need to do it in their soil.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Mahmoud,

            You said :

            “Think of this: PMHD is saying anything that happens in Ethiopia is a trigger to go to war against Eritrea.”

            When/where did he say that? I am curious.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Selam Addis

            Why bother? Mahmud is on a revisionist streak.

            Ethiopia is at fault. The AU is irrelevant but at fault. UN is toothless but at fault. The Rices are simpletons but at fault. Obama is a failure but he is at fault. Everybody is at fault but they spend their time and energy figuring out how to undo the Eritrean psyche.

            Now since PMHD has this big gaptooth (finchit) he can legitimately be called partially toothless. On this I stand with Mahmud.

            Amde

          • አዲስ

            Haha Amde,

            That cracked me up. Oh well…

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,

            It is not strictly retroactive, although the driving reasons for sanctions were specific (alshabab, dji), the words of the sanction resolution are actually somewhat general and makes it easy for SC to shift the goal posts….another reason why preventing sanctions is much easier than having them lifted. I think one can make fair conclusion that sanctions has positive effect in that it really tamed IA and it has minimum to no effect on the lives of ordinary Eritreans. Yes our pride as a country is bruised (especially if you consider that Eth is the one in much serious violation of UNSC guaranteed agreement), but that is the price we pay for the really bad decisions our leaders make. I would not go as far as saying we should use sanctions as tool against the tyranny in Eri (as AH implied), but at the same time, I would not make a big deal about the sanction….. IA picked up a fight with US and others over Somalia and he got beaten even when he had multiple opportunities to dodge it…..And as I said on balance, I actually see more positive than negative effects of sanctions on the ordinary Eritrea.

            FS.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Man, you said: “the inept and toothless Obama, an illiterate of African contexts”. Does any ” A white US president” could have done different from what President Obama is doing in the foreign policy of US government? I don’t think so. The foreign policy of US is the same throughout generations, focusing on the interest of their country. Wasn’t enough Africans where ever they are being belittled by the white people? And now Mahmuday adding to their chorus slumming the black president as “an illiterate of African context” justifying the white’s disparaging remarks. I can’t believe it, that this comes out from some one relatively sensible person.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam bxay Amanuel
            I think this is the most unfortunate comment you have made. Let me just think of it as something that has been said in the heat of the moment. I assume we have finished the toothless UN and its sanctions. I have said Obama was basically not up to the task when it comes to Africa and the Middle East. This something that political analysts agree upon.
            In the middle East, he gave an arousing lectures about liberty, when the streets of the Arab world exploded he did not know what to do. Hesitation on Libya resulted in extremists taking advantage of the situation. All that was needed was inserting technical Teams and then using USA assets in the area to speed up Gaddafi fall there by preventing the mushrooming of factions. On Syria, the same story. The USA spent tens of millions of dollars in Syria to train “moderate ” factions”, guess how many they have in action, “4-5″ guys. The rest fled to more organized and effective yet radical factions. Why did they defect? Because they understood under the plan Obama deployed, they could not dislodge Bashar Alassad. They care less about American values. They just want to get rid of Assad. The story of ISIS is remarkable. It exploded to world phenomenon within a short time under the watch of Obama and governments that Obama administration supports (Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq. ..), American trained and armed Iraqi army was made to disappear in the dunes of the desert by a ragtag militia. All under his watch. Yemen went from bad to worse; Egypt first democratically elected government was deposed by the military (Egyptians would have deposed it democratically in the next election).But Obama democracy lecture was a lip service anyway. Obama was bad for all democratic forces in the region, and a gift for dictators. Pfdj makes the chaos that America instigated in the region as an example why they are better alternate. And because USA cares less about democracy that’s not in tune with keeping it’s interests in the region, they congratulate PMHD as a democratically elected while laughing it out in a press conference. Unless Eritrean opposition shows Eritreans that it’s indeed independent, perhaps the reconciliation of the US and PFDJ will come sooner than finding our opposition its bearing.
            You could add the rise of Putin, the worsening situation of Afganistan, the failure of Obama to utter a word about a war that consumed 100, 000 lives while visiting the region. G.W.Bush was better in terms of aid to the region. How about visiting just one time in two terms, except his South African visits in occasions that leaders of other nations attended?
            Please drop off your race card. That’s unfortunate Emma. I’m talking of him as the president of the US and as a man I thought understood the region better. It turned out the Texan cowboy was better than him. In addition, his encroachments on liberty by pursuing aggressive wire tapping citizens and prosecuting journalists have been the worst. His drone campaigns resulted in killing thousands of civilians (per a report 90%, drones strikes were off target).
            Domestically, he doesn’t fare well. Minorities and the poor have not really benefited from his economic policies while the well-to-do continue to reap benefits that his policies have made them possible. The Congress has not cooperated is not a good reason. I voted twice for him. This are just some of the areas he failed so badly. We will see what he can do with his latest ” civil rights” campaign.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Mahmuday,

            I could disprove your argument, and give you the reasons than no president of US can stop the crises we are witnessing in the world. But it isn’t our issue, and who cares about the positions of Obama if no one cares about about our issue. But to say to him “illiterate of African context” and to chart him down below Bush is still unbecoming of you. And still my critics on target.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,
            just help me, hopefully you will not jump on me..why someone like Kokhob who is sanctioned by PFDJ long before this group is sanctioned will care about it? why even someone interferes between father and son like PFDJ and US ? US expects something and PFDJ is doing something else and US is trying to correct them I think. so let them eat PFDJ and it’s leaders as they have done with Sedam,Ghadafi and all others but we as people should be out of the game on this. if not we will pay for it. in fact we should push for more sanction so we can use the chance too. what do you say?

          • saay7

            To: Chairman Mahmuday

            From: saay

            RE: Sanctions and Eritrea

            DATE: 10/23/15, date of sanctions renewal

            First of all, you know the reply to “the smartest Eri-Guy ever breathing” is ወሪዱኒ ጓል ቀሺ. I think you said it, just you can hear it.

            Now, then, here’s the deal Mr. Chairman. If we were to go on our time machine to 2006, when Somalia was falling apart, the whole world either directly or via its proxies, was flooding the country with guns. And in 2006, 2007, the Monitoring Group on Somalia essentially said everybody was violating the arms embargo: the US, Ethiopia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Eritrea. Everybody on his cousin was called to task by the Monitoring Group.

            By March 2007, AMISOM had been authorized to supported the Federal Government of Somalia. AMISOM is made up of soldiers from Uganda, Burundi, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia and Sierra Leone with officers from Burundi, Cameroon, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Uganda and Zambia. This was a force authorized by the AU Peace & Security Council and by the UN Security Council. On the other side, by 2008, the US had named al-Shabaab as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

            As it became clear that the African, US, European, consensus was to support one side of the Somalia feud, the losing side all withdrew their efforts. Except Eritrea. If you make a two-column page where, on the left side, you list all the warnings from the UN that Eritrea needs to stop arming the losing (flat out terrorist) side, and on the right,all the pronouncements by Isaias Afwerki and his media denigrating AMISOM and trying to legitimize Al-Shabab (there was a particularly moronic article on shabait dismissing the classification of Al-Shabab as a terrorist organization) it is hard to see the 2009 resolution 1907 as remotely surprising. In fact, it would have been surprising if Eritrea wasn’t sanctioned.

            So, let’s say it wasn’t clear to Isaias Afwerki the Al-Shabab was terrorists in 2007-08. Was there any doubt at all after their bombing of Uganda in July 2010? Still Isaias Afwerki was rambling about them being equal stakeholders in Somalia.

            The claim that the claim that Eritrea was supporting extremists in Somalia is all a lie is based one and only one thing: the Somalia Monitoring Group claimed that Eritrean soldiers were fighting alongside Somalis in Somalia and some had been captured as POWs which ended up being wrong. Does that negate everything else it documented? For example, it said that Eritrea was, using Ukrainian planes, flying weapons to Somalia. That Tewolde Habte Negash was in charge of providing training and support and Col. Taeme Abraham was in charge of organizing the armed oppo. Do you find that incredible? Do you find it inconsistent with how EPLF/PFDJ operates? Never mind: has it been proven to be a lie?

            The SEMG is prone to making sensational claims once in a while. Right now, it is claiming that Eritrea has made a strategic partnership with the Saudi alliance fighting Al-Houthi to give them airspace, land and water to wage war on the Houthis and that Eritreans are embedded with the Emirates army. This is news that has been circulating all over Arabic-language Eritrean opposition media which awate.com hasn’t reported because we haven’t independently verified it. Let me ask you now, Mr. Chairman, do you find that inconsistent with Isaias Afwerki’s behavior throughout his career?

            When it comes to the Isaias Afwerki regime, we Eritreans, of all people, should remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We only have to ask: is the behavior the Isaias Afwerki is accused of consistent with everything we know about his history?

            The other thing to remember is this: when the SEMG says in 2014 or in 2015 that there is no relationship between Eritrea and Al-Shabab, it doesn’t mean there wasn’t one in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.

            You are right: the Djibouti “border dispute” on its own would not have resulted in a sanction. But, at the time, in June 2008, the entire continent of Africa, which had pledged its support to the Somalian government and had pledged its soldiers to defend it, was sick and tired of Isaias Afwerki–who had withdrawn from IGAD and withdrawn from AU. Isaias Afwerki gambled that Africans, who are historically opposed to any sanction on any black African nation would never vote for sanctions. He also gambled that the security council, particularly China and Russia, would never vote for sanctions. He lost. And once he lost, he tried to put up a brave face–for the sake of appearances–for two years. And that got him another sanction. And then, as is his habit, he woke up from his slumber. And now, his media never mentions Somalia. Lesson learned—very, very late, as usual.

            Even now, if you look at the resolution that just passed with 14 yes votes and 1 abstention (venezuela), the only thing outstanding is the Djibouti issue. He will put up a brave face, and double down, and do nothing for a year or two, and then he will fold.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY

            The Eritrean government’s blunders are noted, I don’t deny them. As far as the allegations of direct support, there is no conclusive evidences except made-in Addis-evidences (not Langley, haha..ha). Remember, Al-shabab was a minor resistance movement partnering with the Islamic Courts until Ethiopia invaded Somalia. Ethiopia brought it into prominence. Ethiopia was supporting and arming its own Somali side too. Therefore, it is quite clear Somalia was a mess Eritrea should never plunged itself into. Alshabab became linked with AlQaeda in 2008, but the push for Eritrea to be sanctioned was in its advanced stage (there was a talk of placing Eritrea in the list of sponsors of terrorism). I agree that IA behavior and its policies made it easy to convince the UNSC, a body that never needed convincing presentations as long as a draft was sponsored by USA , I don’t miss that in all my TBS communiques. But would Uganda be sanctioned if it pursued exactly what Eritrea pursued? Would Kenya be sanctioned for supporting a faction it thinks bolsters its position? These are just rhetoric questions. My position is that Eritrea should never have plunged itself into that mess.

            The thrusting questions and my main point are:
            1. There is no enough evidence for the toothless UN to sanction Eritrea
            2. The Eritrean opposition should have stayed clear of it because it did not affect its struggle positively. The following are not for you (don’t look at them).
            http://www.cfr.org/somalia/al-shabab/p18650
            http://goo.gl/5r251B

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            No matter how you try to expose the stupidity of the ruling regime the fact remains spotted. PFDJ through his policies is responsible for the sanctions. I remember Yemane Gebreab proudly saying, “why we go into war when we have mercenaries(like Al-Shebab, Ethiopian Afar front, TPDM, etc) who can do for us not in our country but in their country and we loss nothing but money.” For them, funding these mercenaries was a strategic choice.

            And here you are acting and telling us as if PFDJ is a street boy who knows nothing. This is ridiculous.

            PFDJ has chosen to use war representatives. They thought that the cost is less when others die and weaken their enemy. Nonetheless the victim is PFDJ by himself.

            And now here you are telling us UN sanction is toothless. If it is toothless(ትርጉም ኣልቦ), then why you care about it?

            And you are targeting towards the Eritrean opposition group, right?

            Let me tell you on what you are doing:

            – You are the one who acts as a punishing father( to PFDJ) but not an opponent.

            – You are trying to discipline PFDJ but not to boycott.

            – You are trying to show how weak they are but not on how to get rid of them.

            – You are trying to project the policies are right except they are run by stupid leaders

            -You are trying to project an imaginary enemy by camouflaging the real enemy

            Well, what less can we expect from one who constantly and tirelessly shown us his ambivalence of the golden days of 1991-1994 but not after. When the mind stacks in a certain period of time, it is sucked there unable to move an inch.

            tes

            +TBS – this is a joke, just a joke. Funny! If Truth is pride, then let TBS be like that. And lets remember: Pride comes before fall (Book of Proverbs 16:18).

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            This song always takes me to the memory of the 70s and 80s to remember the patriotic Eritrean Tegadelti and their commitment to the cause. It always randomly and spontaneously pops up in my mind at work and home, ritually hymning the notes.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Hi saay, there is no doubt the stubborn IA has made even the hawkish groups like weyane look like docile and progressive. But if you want to scrutinize patterns and behaviors of IA, you need also need to do it to SEMG and UN. At the end, it comes to if IA could have tried harder to avoid sanction than the justification for sanction. It is almost comical and ridiculous this comes to djibouti issue where it was not supposed to be UNSC matter in the first place. If they can make this stick, they can come up with another 10 ways to sanction Eritrea one way or another and there is nothing we can do about it.Lately, It is also been equally comical that Ethiopians intellectuals or as they call them(“Derg remnants”) are playing IA tune, a case for another sanction;-) let TBS live and prosper, not trek fan. Got star wars Ticket?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey the great

            Here is metkel for SAAY (the greatest of all time), Harbegna Tsa tse, and for you. Nitickay will need some translation. Semere is suspended from translation assignments since his attempt to downplay the crimes of Dawit W/giorgis and his cohorts.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wFmDPscsw8

          • saay7

            Hala Mahmuday:

            ኣሃ ኣሃ
            ኣየይ
            ኣህሃ ኣህሃ
            ኣየይ
            ኣ…ህሃ ኣ…ህሃ ኣ…ህሃ ኣ…ህሃ

            (sorry, Fihira, I already wrote the two verses I know)

            You know Mahmuday, whenever we Muslims face a terrible challenge we are advised to cite Qul Hua allah and Ayat al Kursi. I do that. Then, I always, always do my “Metkel” verses. Ahahaah, ayey, ahaha, ayey… Does that make me a Ghedli romantic? No, I don’t think so: just someone who admires people who face danger fearlessly, methodically, and achieve success. Dhri eten geTerat, Hazet ketematat….

            saay

          • saay7

            Hey Ted and all:

            Let’s first define the sanction on Eritrea: (a) asset freeze of specific gov/military officials; (b) travel ban of specific gov/military officials; (c) arms embargo and inspection of cargo to and from Eritrea; (d) banning aggressive methods of collecting 2% tax from Diaspora; (e) requiring foreign companies to conduct due diligence that revenues they generate for Gov of Eritrea don’t end up with unsavory characters. a-c were called for in Resolution 1907 of 2009; d-e were added in Resolution 2023 of 2011.

            With respect to Somalia, let’s now define what the Gov of Eritrea was accused of in resolution 1907 of 2009: (a) that it was “facilitating travel and other forms of financial support to individuals or entities designated by the Committee established pursuant to resolution 751 (1992) regarding Somalia and other sanctions committees, in particular the Committee established pursuant to resolution 1267 (1999) regarding Al‑Qaida and the Taliban.” (b) that it was “arming, training and equipping armed groups and their members, including Al-Shabaab, which aimed to destabilize the region.”

            From November 2006, until the eve of the 2009 sanctions, there wasn’t a single report of the Monitoring Group on Somalia–that is twice a year for four years– that didn’t report on the Government of Eritrea’s activities in training, arming, funneling funds (as a conduit for Libya, Egypt) to Somalia, running vessels (remember MV Yohanna?), organizing Somali opposition groups INCLUDING those manned by individuals who appear in the UN’s terrorist list (Hasen Abdella Hursi Al-Turki, Hasen Zaher Aweys (from Somalia), Ahmed Abdi Aw-Mohammed, Yassin Ali Baynah, Maxamad Cabdulah Ciise, Omar Hammami, Fuad Mohammed Kalaf, Bashir Mohammed Mahmoud, Al-Itihad Al Islamiya (AIAI), Global Relief Foundation, Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation.)

            I am not sure if you, Mahmoud, and Gogo are saying that all of it is false or none of it, if true, rises to the level of sanctioning a country (after you warn it for 3 consecutive years to stop.)

            The other thing that needs to be said is that Eritrea was not sanction for supporting Al-Shabab but for “arming, training and equipping armed groups and their members, including Al-Shabaab, which aimed to destabilize the region.”

            Finally, when we say “evidence”, “proof”, we (including those who are criticial not just of SEMG but also CoI) seem to be confusing the standards that are used. The standards are NOT “beyond a reasonable doubt” or “beyond a shadow of a doubt.” They can’t be because the investigative body has no subpoena powers or ability to compel people to testify. They evidentiary standard are, as they keep telling us in every single report, “reasonable grounds” or “reasonable basis.” They are no more than “we have reason to believe” based on people we have interviewed whom we find credible. That’s it. If the Government of Eritrea did not know this when it was stumbling around in Somalia, then, it is one more terrible thing it is guilty of.

            saay

          • Gogo

            Selam Saay,
            My problem is not with the facticity of the evidence upon which the UN supposedly depended to Sanction Eritrea. And it is not wide off the mark to believe the Eritrea government had committed at least some of the acts it was accused of committing. And I agree with you that with our emaciated horse, wooden sword, and illiteracy on real knightry it is none of our business and beyond our means to engaged in quixotic adventures. We should save that for the future. I also agree with the conclusion that at the root of the problem is the whimsical foreign policy formulation of the government. If it were not for the tyrannical system, we would have seasoned diplomats who would do their best to gear our foreign policies to what best serves the nation in the long term. Therefore, it is clear the lack o discretion, reasoned calibration of risks and benefits, meaningful deliberations on matters of great national interest are to be blamed. My problem lies elsewhere. Let me list them down:
            1. If you look at the history of our region, or any part of the world for that matter, for the last fifty years helping and abetting armed groups fighting one’s enemies have been a normal modus operandi for affecting the behaviour and policies of the latter and gaining leverages. That is one of the glaring characters of the international order. So, I cannot understand those who feign moral outrage at the conduct of the Eritrea government. IIf one believe that states should not employ such instruments, the outrage and condemnation should not be selective. Let me ask this question. If for example, after we instituted democratic government in Eritrea, an occasiona present itself to us to use this instrument, are we going to pay ‘beautiful souls’?
            2. Related with the above: The SMG report had included many states including Ethiopia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia as countries violating UN ban on sending arms to Somalia. Does its silence today mean that these states have become saints in regard to the issue?
            3. Does an Eritrean who does not subscribe to the tyrannical regime in home have to be gullibly approving of the sanctions imposed largely due to geopolitical calculas of the US? Here I agree with Tegadaly Mahmud that one need not do so.
            Regards,

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Gogo (the freshest of all including the seasoned and sharp SAAY)
            I agree and number three is the reason I made my long TBS sponsored Hateta.

          • saay7

            Selamat Gogo:

            I am proud of you and your mature contribution to TBS in such a short time. Now then:

            1. The last 50 years, 40 years, 30 years have nothing to do with the last 14 years. That’s when the Sole Superpower said, well, yeah, there are hundreds of thousands of people all over the world dying from wars; millions dying from famine but on September 11, 2001, 3000 of my citizens died and, you know what, I am changing all the rules of the game effective immediately. And the entire Security Council–and that includes China and Russia–said, “amen to that.”

            So, yes, indeed, the outrage is GOING to be selective.

            2. Yes, the SEMG had included Ethiopia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia. And yes, Libya, Egypt, and every rich Islamist individual. And, yes, even the US itself for violating the arms embargo on Somalia. But then, (hey, do the young eritreans still play it?), in the game of musical chairs, the whistle was blown. And when Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, all then said, “won’t play anymore”, our guy was still playing and he had no chair to sit on. I would agree with you on the unfairness of this if he hadn’t been warned for 3 damn long years that the game is about to change and for 3 long years he hadn’t said, “screw you and your rules.’

            3. This is an extremely important point. Russia and China, superpowers in their own rights, know the game is stacked. But they play along until such time that, they hope, the world order will change in their favor. For example, in the new resolution against somalia and Eritrea, they didn’t excercise their veto, they didn’t abstain. They didn’t issue a gazillion press statements on the unfairness of the rules. They voted for the sanctions against Eritrea and Somalia (only Venezuela abstained.) When it comes to their own interest, they veto (or threaten to veto) resolutions, as Russia did with the world’s condemnation of its forray into Ukraine. We, a very poor, very small country, still recovering from injuries of war, with out citizens, in the hundreds of thousands, emptying out of the country, do not have the resources, the energy, the time, to wage that battle. And all the indignation against the obvious, the unfair rules of the world, in the end, empower and excuse the misguided policies of the government of eritrea.

            Welcome buddy!

            saay

          • Gogo

            Hey Sal,
            The junior member has duly noted your points. The TBS is unanimous about what you said. The Prime Minister is also doing fine except overstating something here and there. So no coups for now.
            Thanks
            GoGO

          • Ted

            Hi Saay, Some countries play along with superpowers to keep their interest and even gain from US new world order global policies. In Eritrean case it is all different, we were told what to do or else to be crushed one way or another. As far as i know Eritrea had did many backward bends to accommodate US interest to avail. Countries small or big have some sort of policies that they adopt in relation to their neighbours and the world at large. The problem, country small and young like Eritrea face uphill battle in a fast changing world to chose sides before they get their feet wet in world diplomacy. befor they know it, some are destabilizers(Eritrea) and others are labeled progressive and democratic(Ethiopia). I am sure you know where i am going with this. The label come from from the one and the only- the US ; the handler of Monitoring Group, COI, and UNSC and many faceless New world order groups.

            The resolution to ban 2%( illegal means collecting) is devious and ill intentioned to begin with(wikileak) directed at the gov but not about defending the right of Eritreans doing business with the Gov. Some Government altogether ban any form of collection of tax in their country referring to the UN resolution( credit goes to opposition groups, Toronto gangsta SA).

            The sanction ………including Al-shabab is another dubious one. It suppose to include Ethiopian opposition but to western media there is no mention of Ethiopian opposition when it comes to Eritrea it is always sensationalized mantra terrorist group Alshabab even they have no found a link for last few years. The media didn’t get the memo or lost in a mail. From the beginning everything Eritrea does is under radar when it comes to Somalia leaders, one day they are terrorist and the next day called moderate chosen to lead the country a minute they leave Eritrea. What gives?, but it doesn’t matter.

            If you think it is ideological bubble to say ዓገብ, i disagree. The world is unraveling as we know it. Those who have lived outside of the ideological bubbles(the new world order)might not fare well in a near future.

          • saay7

            Hey Ted: it’s Saturday. Don’t u have any good music
            Bwegen semen
            Abilwom amen
            Hashela geru
            Drgm nKeren

            Discussion to be continued after chairman Mahmouday returns from field visit. Hope his son wins!

            saay

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Saay,

            Irefti libey
            Waga demey
            Bilen Ayney iya,
            Hadas Betey…

            Hop!

          • saay7

            Ha Tzigereda:

            The question is: are u jamming to the Ghedli version or the civilian version of fHira?

            Hop!

            saay

          • Tzigereda

            Selam Saay,
            Bizeymixaee aytmxana…
            I love both, but what I feel at each song is different. When I hear the original one I am in real Ghedli time, Hamed, Dorona, xeHay, reHax, biXaynet, tewefAynet…
            The ” modified” song, is the one where I need much more space to dance ( be carefull not to fall in trance!) with a mixed feeling of much NafQot Adi, ” broken dreams” and renew my promise to Eritra…
            Hop!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tzigereda
            My favorite Fihira is this:
            Werhi wetsia bsemay
            Tsigereda boqilla ab mdri
            Merkeb ansaffi ab bahri
            Feleg barka wihizu ab metahit
            hizbawi serwait aridu ab difaE

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY, since the day you introduce me to this video; i never ceased to make it part of my diet. there are day i feel overwhelm with work and here it is, this video gives me a kick in azz to keep me going. amazing one, thank you.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7uGfEJzBaI

          • Ted

            Hi saay, after The greatest Recomended metikel, i binge listened EPLF oldies to bed.

            I have one for those accuse us distablizers. Leuk Selam now and forever.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nV-RyeFQY

          • Fnote Selam

            Saay,

            Eritrea’s ‘Explainer in Chief’ eleka aleku…lols.

            FS.

          • saay7

            Hey Fnote:

            I don’t know about “explainer in chief”; hey, did you just call me Bill Clinton? 🙂

            From where I sit, reading the text of resolutions 1907 and 2023, there were some that were proportionate, some that were disproportionate overreaches from UN resolution; some effective, some ineffective. And, with the exception of Bronwyn Bruton (explained below) I hadn’t heard an actual argument for how the sanctions hurt the Eritrean people (as opposed to the gov.) Let’s look at each one of the penalties imposed by the UNSC:

            1. Asset free on gov/military officials to be named later.
            Why this is nothing to complain about: the gov/military officials have never been named and when they are named they will have no assets that has to be frozen. I think I once read a biting piece that the only asset Yemane Gebreab are his student loans from when he attended US universities.

            2. Travel ban on gov/military officials to be named later.
            Why this is nothing to complain about: the gov/military officials have never been named and if/when they are named, it is not a big deal given how the only time the military officers traveled was to get military training in the US (that train has long left the station) and as for the civilians, PFDJ rotates the same 60-something year old mostly men from one position to another position. It might even encourage it to promote younger men and women from its ranks.

            3. Arms embargo to and from Eritrea.
            A huge overreach and one that violates a people’s right to defend themselves from a Big Bad Neighbor with occasional empire and hegemonic ambitions. Notice that when Eyob came back from his cave he was casually talking about some Asab Manifest Destiny The resolutions should have been limited to “to/from Somalia.”

            4. Restriction on methodology used to collect 2% Diaspora tax
            A redundant resolution as those Eritreans in the Diaspora who felt victimized by the Eri government always had means to use the police powers of their host country and those in the Diaspora who understand that payment of 2% Diaspora tax is the equivalent of standing-visa to enter the country, will find a way to pay it. This was supposed to lift the cloud of fear that hangs over the Diaspora Eritrea but that cloud of fear can only be removed by the people themselves and not the UN.

            5. Demanding due diligence on companies to ensure revenues they generate for the Eritrea does not go to the wrong hands.

            When you have two Security Council members (UK and China) with mining interests in Eritrea, this resolution was never to have any meaning at all. In her interview with VOA, Bronwyn (Atlantic Council) says, well yeah, but this UN resolution discourages foreign companies who want to invest in Eritrea from doing so as it adds another cost (compliance costs money) to their business. Really? Can anyone seriously say that what is preventing international companies from investing in Eritrea is the UN resolution or the Gov of Eritrea’s economic policies? Who is sanctioning whom?

            I haven’t read the new resolution but, it appears to me, there is hardly any mention of #4 and #5 (which were added in Res 2023 of 2011.) We already established that #1 and #2 are completely irrelevant. So, all that is left is #3: arms embargo. And, from the language of the resolution, all the Gov of Eritrea has to do is:

            (a) Agree to have more frequent engagement with SEMG (it doesn’t even have to agree to grant them a visa to visit Eritrea. SEMG says, hey, UNSC we are at our wits end; do you have any direction/suggestion on how to overcome this hurdle? And the UNSC has no suggestions beyond repeating the “we call on Eritrea…”) So more video conferences, more proxy-meetings.

            (b) Expedite the Qatar-mediated Djibouti negotiations and account for the POWs.

            So, basically, what lifting the sanctions will mean is for Eritrea to have to ability to buy weapons. This will be a political victory, to be sure, for the Gov of Eritrea (as it extends the narrative of “we stared down the Security Council and won; we defeated not just the US and USSR in the armed struggle but in the mekete we also defeated France, UK and China) but…what good are weapons if the people who are supposed to carry them are leaving the country by the thousands?

            Here’s the language of the UN resolution:

            http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12094.doc.htm

            saay

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Saay,

            You just made a perfect case for the title ‘Explainer in Chief’ and I mean it in the most positive way possible…. Actually, this unique skill is part of why I think you are probably the best I have even seen at demolishing pfdj apologist. You see most of us in the opp camp are good at expressing our outrage at pfdj and our debate with pfdjists is limited to barking at them (for the most part). You on the other hand, I have noticed, engage them and explain things to them in detail (with ample reference to their own sources like eritv, shabait, tn, IA interviews/speech etc) and then whack!! smash them (ኣለካንዶ፣ ኣጠዓዕም ኣቢልካ፣ ቦጣዕ ኢኻ ተብሎም) ክሳብ ርእሶም ዝጾሮም።

            Anyway, I agree with just about every thing you said above.

            FS.

          • saay7

            Hey FS:

            Thanks, you are too kind. Here’s a treat for you:

            Read the press statement from the Minstry of Foreign Affairs in English (at shabait).

            Then read the same press release from the same ministry about the same topic, the same day, in Tigrinya (Haddas Ertra)

            Notice the difference? Now ask yourself: who reads the English version? And who reads the Tigrinya version?

            If you can’t (and I am 100% sure you can) let me know and I will “‘splain” it:)

            saay

          • dawit

            Dear Cousin Saay, Happy Saturday to you
            You are trying again to justify SEMG blind accusation as it prepares for the next Christmas gift to Eritrean a third package of UN sanction. As usual the opposition is dancing to the tune of SEMG trying to justify that Eritrea leased its land, air and water spaces and its soldiers to UAE! Why do SA and UAE need Eritrean air, land and water space when they have the longest border with Yemen? What is the logic to fly all the way to Eritrea and fly back to Yemen? Few weeks ago AT wrote that Isaias returned empty handed after visiting SA, and now you telling us he actually got a lot of money because SEMG said so. Please cousin no Eritrean will buy this fiction, it is the same 2000 armed fighters in Somalia! For your information PIA publicly told the world “Eritrea is not for Sale”!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Saay,

            Very interesting chronicles as to the adventure of the mad man and the historical consequence for the sanctions. Who can put it better than you. Good job my friend. For our Mahmudy there is no better notes than this and he has to reckon on it as the best for his record.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat Kshuff mlkitka,

            The U.S. draft..,The same U.S. Utilizing drones to kill innocents. A total of sixty days is given to execute someone named X based on some faulty intelligence to begin with. Now, it is a good thing Eritreans can start working on the next UN administration to build bridges where the pursuit of happiness by every Eritrean Citizen in Eritrea is an American’s right to pursue. The Obama admin, I hate to admit it FAILED on foreign policy. You can’t even fault the Hawks because I believe Obama himself is a Hawk. God Help us but in his last year we may see a face off between Obama and Puttin for the ultimate decision of ending life on earth to that of Kenedy’s and Brejnwv(or one of those SOB commuies in the Soviet Union now—-just ask the lady from Alaska that can see Puttin arming and launching the missiles) temahhlelu zom deQuey Al jtwidaE it’s! TsaTsa

          • tes

            Dear saay7,

            Let me ask you this:

            What do you think B.G. Abraha Kassa was doing in Saudi Arabia these days? Is there any connection between his task and the coalation the PFDJ is trying to build between Eritrea and Saudi-Arabia?

            It is very rare to see B.G Abraha Kasa to conduct meetings with Eritrean communities. What then was he lecturing them about? May be to extend his network further?

            Or he is worried with the raising Eritrean opposition network in the middle East?

            Or may be he is demoted and now sent for consular services in the middle east?

            http://shabait.com/news/local-news/20664-eritrean-festival-in-jeddah

            tes

          • saay7

            Hey Tes:

            I don’t think much of it. And the reason for that is that his presence is related to the annual Jeddah festival (which has been going on forever.) Last year, for example, Fozia Hashem showed up. And you know, with PFDJ, they are yet to groom new leaders, and the same men-and-women, in their 60s show up to tell the people the “objective situation on the ground”, a warm up act to what they really came for: the song-and-dance. In 2014, Helen Meles showed up; I don’t know who showed up this year. If I were in Jeddah, I most likely would have shown up because, and this is important, there is NOTHING going on in Jeddah and this would be my only opportunity to sing and dance. This, for example, was last year:

            https://vimeo.com/112430579

            Now, if you want to go into a deep dive, you would read this from the SEMG: “Independent sources have informed the Monitoring Group that high-level delegations from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates visited the Hanish islands and met Eritrean officials. The Group was unable to obtain an exact date for the visit, but estimates that it was conducted in either March or April 2015. Moreover, the President of Eritrea, Isaias Afwerki, visited Saudi Arabia on 29 April and met King Salman Bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud. Open sources, including from pro Eritrean regime media, reported that the two concluded a security and military partnership agreement.

            Then you go to the footnotes to see which are the “pro Eritrean regime media” that reported this, and you find out it is the kiddies at Tesfanews. You do a deep dive and you find out that Tesfanews was reporting what Videonewsus reported. You do a deep dive on Videonewsus and you find out it is part of the Anadlou news agency. A dead end.

            Now, you ask yourself, never mind that, I myself have seen Isaias Afwerki given the royal treatement by the Saudi government so SOMETHING IS UP. Fine. Then explain why the Ethiopian Prime Minister was given similar treatment this week. Is it because the Saudis are asking him to join their coalition? Is it because they just want him to host Ali Abdella Saleh and give him all the chat he needs to stay happy? If so, why were the Djibouti and the Somali head of states also invited to a full-press court with the Saudi monarch and all his spoiled ministers treating them to the flamboyance of the Saudi state?

            saay

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Mahmuday,

      Why do you want to walk on a branched road at the same time? Is it possible? If you can’t fight the evil system with all the tools available to us including the international political tools, in order to expedite the liberation of our people, how serious could we be on the plight of our people with such ambivalent positions? generally speaking, It is such indecisive and ambivalence of Eritrean mind that kept us where we are and let our people dispersed everywhere in the world. A country without its’ young generation will be at risk to survive if we can’t stop it by expediting the fall of the regime by all means. The country is bleeding profusely losing all its productive forces. Mahmuday, if you read your last paragraph – Isn’t the confrontational behavior and repressive nature of the regime that brought the current predicament of our people? If so why do you expect from this regime all the must do list from the regime as you put forward to happen? I have a problem on your ambivalent position you are taking. At time you seem solid the way you say certain things and at another time you try to give a breathing room to the regime by being against the tools that suffocate the regime. At least if we don’t come to the same understanding that there were sanctions imposed upon our people by the regime itself we have really a problem. You know as I do, that the Eritrean people don’t have freedom to make their living in every aspect of economic endeavor. Is that in itself a regime imposed economic sanctions? Just think about it.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Nitricc

        Hi Aman H, sometimes you are unfair. one thing that i am allergic with your camp, the opposition is that your camp declares to stand with what is Justice. But justice is no some thing you pick and choose. it is a black and white. it is cold. it is straight up deal. the other day, i was conversing with Tes, and he said, he disagrees with everything PFDJ does. i have not respond to tes but is not what is the definition of indifference is? on the same token, if Aman H is stand for what is justice; but how can you see what the corrupted UN is doing and say this is Justice? how? Aman, you can not pick and choose when it comes what is justice. justice is blind, cold, emotional-less. so, you can’t stand for one form just while adoring the other side of unjust.
        what the freaking UN doing is unjust, simple and to the point. with your caliper, you should have known better, sir!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Nitrickay,

          Our people should be liberated by all available tools from this narcissist regime. Why do you expect justice from our people to their killer while he is still in power doing all his killing? Didn’t you watch Bitiweded’s video telling the people in his village that he forgive them for whatever injury they inflict upon him? But yet they pulled him again and throw him to the fox holes, where his whereabouts remain secret?

          Nitrickay, if Bitiweded’s history doesn’t change your mind about the regime, I don’t know what? But am still waiting your turning point from the regime. Our country and our people are not safe under this regime. Remember, I don’t give up on you still, because I see a lot of change as person.

          regards,
          AmanueL Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            really who can be better than Bitweded if forgiving and reforming this childish group was possible?

      • tes

        Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

        Mahmud Saleh was moved and inspired by Ambassader Cohen’s testimony. Seriously, the thing is, an information shared after a year by one retired COE man (Cohen) is worth to people like Mahmud and Ted.

        tes

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Emma
        It is a one road Emma , and a straight lane at that (KheT MustaQeem). I think what’s confusing is that when our views on certain topics intersect, you think I have been “rehabilitated,” and when your views, do not match with mine, you think I am off course. No, emma, I have been upfront with my views. I use two sign post. One tends to be a PFDJista and the other Wayanista. The world in between is vast. And I cruise there. To be honest, I uphold the right to say my views, I don’t necessarily support your ideas of what an opposition should look like. I will respect you for your position. It is up to you what to make of my positions and views. Before we go any farther though, bring any evidence of an opposition successes linked to the unjust sanctions which had nothing to do with what Eritreans do in order to bring change. It’s apparent by now that the opposition needs radical make up; it needs a startling jolt and shake up. Since the sanctions, Eritrean livelihood continued spiraling down, the political opposition in which you play or have played an active member keeps splintering and downgrading itself (that’s the problem Emma, we don’t even know where you stand except your dismantlement slogan, for which opposition you stand vetting). The organized political opposition is no more independent from Ethiopian than it was 15 years ago. It will keep jumping into any Ethiopian bandwagons (one of them was the sanction) as long as it remains led by inept individuals who could not even say EEBC ruling on air (VOA interview with the leader of kidaan or EDA. Now, tell me how it is that sanctioning Eritrea unjustly will expedite the “liberation of our people?” Have the sanctions helped those factions which supported it? In what way? Indeed, the plight of our nation calls upon us to use every opportunity smartly. Siding with sanctions that help the enemies of Eritrea is hardly an agitating tactic as far as motivating Eritreans in order to be able to bring change to themselves. is concerned.
        I think both of us could communicate in a better way. Using words such as ambivalence is not going to be helpful. You see you have used this word so many times, and every time I checkmated you on supporting it with evidence, you walked away. My stand on sanctions is perhaps the most outstanding one, I repeated the same arguments of why we are in the sanctions so many times, the last time, I think, was with Gezaehagos. tes is saying that I was informed about the unjustness of the sanction by Herman Cohen, just yesterday. Good luck. I can support my latest message by pulling out more than a dozen comments and articles, I have written within the past two years, that hit the same chord regarding the sanctions. You bring any evidence that supports the contrary. You like evidences, so do I.

        • tes

          Dear Mahmud Saleh,

          OK! You wrote, “tes is saying that I was informed about the unjustness of the sanction by Herman Cohen, just yesterday.”

          I said, “Mahmud Saleh was moved and inspired by Ambassader Cohen’s testimony.”

          These are two different things.

          To be moved and be inspired (my line) is when someone says and touches you deeply.

          To be informed (your line) is to be told as such and carry on without changing.

          Ok!

          But why I said for what I said? Here are some of your lines.

          1. It has been clear by now that the toothless UN is doing American evil power projection.

          2. There has never been a reason to sanction Eritrea on the basis of its alleged ties with Al-Shabab, because there has never been such a relationship.

          The difference between you and SEMG is: SEMG is reporting based on his research findings outside Eritrea while you are just talking on prejudice. . At least SEMG are reliable as they have done detailed research within known limitations. You are just saying for the sake of pride. Nothing more.

          3. IA government chose an erroneous policy in going alone against the UN (USA), and it did not correct itself when a UN recognized Somalian government was formed.

          Questions:

          a. If UN = USA, then why Eritrea is member of the UN still now? It has boycotted IGAD because Ethiopia was there. It has boycotted AU because Ethiopia was there; WHy not then from UN simply because UN = USA?

          b. What are the policies of DIA that goes against UN(USA -as per your say)? As we all know, at least to be rational, UN stands for world peace and harmony. Is this what you are talking about, DIA policies are against peace and harmony? Forget now on the achievements. If there are countless countries like Eritrea who own policies against UN how do you think it can be an effective organization?

          4. The question then is how about the other toothless UN permanent members?

          If you label UN = USA, then why you are calling others? You don’t recognize them and hence you can’t call them for a cry.

          5. PFDJ bad diplomacy could not entice them to make a good fight

          If PFDJ has policies against UN (aka USA) then what type of diplomacy are you talking about? There is no good diplomacy with bad policies.

          6. What has it got with a democratic change in Eritrea?

          This is just gibberish. You are sounding as if a call for democracy has started parallel to the UN sanction. A call for democratic leadership and good governance was started way before, in the early 1990s. We have a simple testimony from Biteweded. The sanction happened because of PFDJ external policies. For those who call for democracy, if it has any significance, it is to show how bad also we are treated domestically. A very simple example was a threat faces to COIE memebers in Geneva in June 2015. PFDJ uses threatening methods and that is what we Eritreans are subjected for.

          Sanction imposed to PFDJ is just an exposition of the domestic and external policies of PFDJ. If the PFDJ has policies against UN (USA) then also against his own people. You failed to understand this.

          hence sanction is not because of a call for a democracy or a means to democracy but a reward for the deeds.

          7. On the contrary, sanctions tend to insulate regimes from getting blamed for the failures they cause by attributing them to “external enemies”.

          Haha, this is glorifying the claim of PFDJ. PFDJ has preached for the last 15 years it is because of the “No war – No Peace” situation that Eritrea is as such. Sanction came very late, very late, 9 years after.

          8. There is documented evidence that sanctions do not result in democratization (and most of the sanctions have happened in our life time, anyway), if that was what the opposition thought.

          NO! That is what you perceive as your usual mantra of targeting the opposition camp. Sanction has nothing to do with democratization. Lets see Russia. When Russia tried to annex Ukrain’s territory, EU and US said NO. and they imposed sanction; But this has nothing to do with democratization process.

          In fact, in the Eritrean case, SEMG has no relationship with the kind of internal governance. Rather COIE is more powerful means for democratization as it is directly linked with humanitarian laws. Sanctions taken on PFDJ are purely on the acts of PFDJ on neighboring countries and far.

          9. Do they have anything to do with improving the lives of Eritreans? Do they give hope to the fleeing young people?

          NO! Not at all. But did you ask for yourself if Eritreans are affected directly by this sanction? Is the miser we are now because of the sanction or the PFDJ domestic policies? In the very beginning, PFDJ was not ready to improve the lives of Eritreans. He was rather to enslave Eritreans. And enslaving Eritreans started in 1994 (you do not accept this I know). If PFDJ was ready to improve his own people instead of arming the entire society he could have opened the door to work on their own. Unfortunately even men aged above 60 are armed now, the entire family!

          10. Do they influence the internal political dynamics for a better future (change)?

          YES. yes there are countries who benefit from this sanction. Somalia now has an extremist free government. Djibouti is at least free of direct security threats. Ethiopia is at least able to concentrate on her own internal dynamism. Yemen could be free from armed Houthi and reduced escalation of civil war; South Sudan can own their agenda. Chad, Sudan, many countries who are directly affected by the external policies of PFDJ.

          11. Eritrea needs to get involved in dialogue with the USA.

          Does it matter for those Eritreans who are victimized for the last 25 years by PFDJ policies? American Embassy was there when Eritreans were tortured and harrased. US embassy was there when the dictator was there. No matter how, we Eritreans care for the removal of PFDJ. That is all.

          12 . it needs to release political prisoners; it needs to engage its citizens including the opposition on a genuine and solution-oriented new initiative.

          Naivety at its peak!

          Well Mr. Reformer! Is this what the behind doors discussion that is going on among the x-EPLF members?

          tes

          • Fenomeno

            Dear Tes,

            You care for the removal of PFDJ, and I believe that is an understandable goal to care for. Therefore, if your support for the sanctions is based on the idea that everything (just or not) that hurts PFDJ should be supported, then that is a valid goal. Even though, one should always ask what effect would this have on the (future) state of Eritrea.

            However, if you believe that Eritrea, alone, should be sanctioned based on the evidence provided for its role in destabilizing Somalia, and that this should be considered an event of justice, then you are wrong. After all, there is only one country that could be nominated for being the destabilizor of Somalia, and that is Ethiopia. Not only military, but also politically, for example by bribing MP’s. Maybe one can not even blame them for that, because lets be honest a stable and united Somalia is the nightmare of Ethiopia, and therefore their intermingling could just be regarded as guarding their national security. However, if an Eritrean tries to portray the situation in Somalia as if Ethiopia was helping the Somalian people in building their country, and that Eritrea came along and spoiled the party, then I start asking myself where the loyalities lie of such a person.

            Facts about the sanctions:

            – Evidence for support of Al-Shabab is weak at most
            – Ethiopia’s destabilizing role in Somalia is much greater
            – No country except from USA and Ethiopia seems to care (anymore)

            Taking this in consideration an Eritrean should ask him or herself the question what role could these (unjust) sanctions play in bringing about change in Eritrea. Then I believe that Mahmud is telling you that they can not play any positive role, and that this is also what we have seen in the past years. Rather, they seemed to have functioned as a tool for PFDJ in mobilizing people around the sanctions and distracting from internal policies.

            For me PFDJ and the sanctions are just an example of the miscalculations that they have been making, and that should also be a reason for being sanctioned, but through elections by its own people.

          • tes

            Dear Fenomeno,

            I will be back sooner but for the time being let me tell you thi: PFDJ has never mobilized people but kept them a hostage. No one knows exactly what the effect is because of the daily life of the ordinary Eritreans. Eritreans were sanctioned by PFDJ way before PFDJ himself was sanctioned by others.

            Whether I support the sanction or not my stand on the sanction is very clear: PFDJ deserves it because of his destablizing policies to the region, point. I don’t see the sanction as opportunity against my cause. I believe Eritreans were sanctioned by PFDJ himself in all aspects.

            If you put me on bargain, then, I will not go into that. My objective is to weed-out PFDJ, whether sanctioned or not. Point!

            tes

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Kubur Haw Mahmuday,

          You have said: “Before we go any farther though, bring any evidence of an opposition successes linked to the unjust sanctions which had nothing to do with what Eritreans do in order to bring change”. You see Mahmuday, you have the habit of lumping my argument to that of the political organizations. I have never seen any political organization taking position on the sanctions. Let me put a disclaimer if it could help you in the future: All my writings and comments are strictly an individual citizen’s view and I am the sole responsible for them. So I expect you to address them direct to me without lumping to others.

          Second, the sanctions are targeted sanctions to the regime and are not economic sanctions that affect our people. It is supported by some civic societies and individuals to paralyse the destructive adventurism of the regime. You know it clearly than any body. Actually I would like you to fight against the regime’s sanction that are imposed to our people. Virtually every private sectors (business) starting from importing goods and services to domestic investment halted for decades except PFDJ’s owned businesses. Our Eritrean entrepreneurs are scattered everywhere in the world to do their business. Our people are living from the remittance of family members who reside abroad. Your powerful and effective pen should focus on these sanctions, the sole tools of the regime that are killing the nation and the livelihood of our people.

          Third, regarding the political organizations who are in Ethiopia or Europe and USA or anywhere in the world for that matter, did not fare well in the last decades. It is not from the location they reside in, it is the inherent social contradictions that put them where they are. If your excuses as you put it is Ethiopian interference, then what happen with those more than dozen organizations who are outside of Ethiopia? Looking for escapegoating doesn’t help for emancipating our people, rather understanding our internal problems does.

          regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Emma
            zxeHafkayo debdabie bexiHuni (is that xeHaytu?)
            We should not waste much needed time on this. I don’t see why you should feel bad about your good friend because he happens to protest UN’s toothless action as detailed in TBS special edition. My view on the sanction is not new; I am surprised why it’s taken as new (you did not prove me that I am walking on a branched path). I live in a place that is 7932 miles or 12,765.3 kilometers away from the action ground. Therefore, I believe I can’t possibly liberate Eritreans but can help them liberate themselves. We can do that if we use our help smartly. The sanctions are akin to using a kitchen knife to remove a cancerous tumor. We can use a laser sharp knife to do that. All it takes is using tactics that appeal to the mass. The sanction is meant to cripple the nation in order to remove Issayas. History tells us that does not happen. The opposition actually lost its credibility by meddling in business that has zero effect in Eritrean internal dynamics. Dear, Emma, I want to see those young people have some opportunities and hope in order to stay at home and bring the change to themselves. Change is faster in a relatively engaged society. That’s what happened in Libya, Syria, Tunisia and Yemen, although all those trials except Tunisia have been hijacked by terrorists, thanks to the good for nothing Obama, a man who lectured them to rise up in Cairo and once they rose up he abandoned them. The rest I am sure we will continue it on or off line. My point is: The sanctions had nothing to do with our homework, it serves Ethiopia. Siding with a sanction that is clearly controlled by Ethiopia is not a smart way to challenge PFDJ. You are shifting the focus from PFDJ’s erroneous policies to the obviously unjust sanctions, therefore, indirectly, you are relieving PFDJ (TBS). And when those sanctions are built on shaky grounds, it’s even worse.
            As always with respect
            (off on road trip, cloudy, drizzling, just semienawi baHri)

    • Gogo

      Selam Mahmud,

      Intelligent. Subject to little modifications pursuant to our political discussion session in the TBS club you have my vote on this.

      GoGo

  • dawit

    Hi Ayneta,
    Yes I live in US and Hafash lives in Eritrea. Intact and solidly backing and protecting PFDJ policies. No amount of lies can change that fact.. Five years ago when UN put sanctions, you were jumping up and down dancing claiming the End of PFDJ, but guess what? PFDJ is still standing with the .support of Eritrean people, the “Hafash’. and no amount of threat and intimidation can break Eritrea’s stamina.
    Watru Awet Nhafash!

  • Eyob Medhane

    Gash Saleh,

    I can’t believe you dissed one of the most talked about pop sensation of last year, this year and next year.. 🙂 (pop stars don’t have that longevity we used to anymore. They max last three years. :-)) Nevertheless the guy is so popular now, the Amharic words that he San for 45 minutes (Ewedishalehu, yene fiqir) is the most googled phrases for translation for more than two weeks.. (I swear I am serious. People are crazy, man.. 🙂 ) And, no. I admit I couldn’t finish that Rolling Stone cover story…Everything that he was talking about is totally un-habesha, and I pray his sensation will blow over soon, so other Ethiopian and Eritrean kids wouldn’t follow his suit….But, that one line he had was so similar to what we were talking about yesterday, so I shot it go you…

    About a guy “storming” a neighbors house, well..I was just talking about reality not theorizing… 🙂

  • dawit

    Dear All
    UN Sanction against Eritrean people did not start in this century. It has been going since the inception of the UN itself 70 years and counting. Eritreans are surprised with latest move. There is a proliferation of cottage industries by UN employees to invent lies and fabrications against the Eritrean people. Long before the current sanction, Somali Monitoring Group, invented lie that told the world Eritrea sent 2000 armed soldiers to Somalia, but they
    could not present evidence about it. Then they came up with Al Shebab arms supply, and until today they can not bring a single evidence, when infact Al Shabab was armed by UN itself indirectly through the arms supplied the so called African Peace Keeping forces in Somalia. Here is the latest creative invention of another lie

    “While ruling out that Eritrea’s alleged security agreement with Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates to “use Eritrean land, airspace and territorial waters in its anti-Houthi military campaign in Yemen” constitutes a violation of UN resolution, the Monitoring Group states that the alleged embedding of Eritrean soldiers in UAE forces, if true, would constitute a violation of UN resolutions.”

    Few months ago SEMG was accusing Eritrea of arming the Houthis and today Eritrea is being accused of fighting the Houthis! The members must be smocking something, otherwise how come Eritrea is supporting the Houthis and fighting the Houthis at the same time. That is the same logic they were talking about Eritrea hosting Iranian and Israeli governments in its soil. Except the so called Eritrean opposition groups who collect the firewood to burn Eritrea supporting Sanctioning Eritrea. No genuine Eritrean will support the economic and military sanctions against their innocent country Eritrea. History has proved no matterhow many sanctions put against Eritrea, at the end Eritrea will emerge victorious, because lie cannot defeat the truth. The proof for that is Eritrea itself. Today Eritrea is an independent country, because the sweat and blood paid by its people. .

    Awet Nhafash!

    • Amanuel

      Hi dawit
      Don’t get surprised if the regime in Eritrea has been accused one minute helping Houthis and next UAE forces. This is because Eritrea under PFDJ is a commodity for the sale to the highest bidder. No principle no long term interest.

      • dawit

        Hi Amanuel
        Except your SEMG is habitual liars who are recycling lies from the fabricated articles of AT, Asmarino.com and A(H)asana.com. , Just cut and paste lies.

        • saay7

          Selamat Cousin Dawit:

          Let’s see about those “habitual liars” at SEMG who copy/paste our “fabricated articles.”

          The primary reason that Eritrea was sanctioned in 2009 was because the Isaias Afwerki regime:

          (a) took the position that all Somalis, including Islamic Court, and later, Al-Shabab, are equal stakeholders of Somalia.

          (b) took the position that it has no conflict at all with Djibouti, and all claims that it has a conflict are fabricated by the West.

          The source for this was not AT, Asmarino or Assana but repeated statements by the Isaias-controlled Eritrean media, which talked non-stop about Somalia, Somalia, Somalia while it had nothing to say about Djibouti and dismissed all talk of any conflict. “Fabrication” was Isaias favorite word for it.

          After Eritrea was sanctioned in 2009 and, just to press the point home to him, he was told in 2011, to stop hosting armed Ethiopian groups dedicated to overthrowing the Ethiopian government, to stop blackmailing his Diaspora compatriots into paying the 2% tax, and to stop his secretive accounting system where the world couldn’t tell which revenue was going to cover what expense.

          This woke him from his delusion, a bit.

          (a) Isaias stopped talking about Somalia. The country might as well not exist now. His media, which talked non-stop about Somalia, and his interviews that Al-Shabab are not terrorists, went totally mute.

          (b) he recognized he has a problem with Djibouti, and accepted Qatar mediation. There are now, as we speak, Qatari soldiers manning the Eritrea-Djibouti border.

          (c) Isaias kept hosting Ethiopian opposition groups. Who knows how much of your “Awet nHafash” money that you send is given to them because as Molla Asgedom of TPDM said Isaias pledged to him that he would have any support he needed: arms, training, whatever.

          (d) Isaias was somewhat checked from having his representatives running roughshod over the Eritrean Diaspora and now he has to instruct them (you, actually) to send the 2% that you pay (or claim to pay: most of the people who are the “Awet nHafash” types never pay the 2%, and they always under report their income: you now the saying about the two clever guys and how they have ashes for a meal) directly to Asmara.

          From this, the lesson is that Isaias Afwerki understands lessons very late, and he acts only after he is spanked.

          So now, what is left (that he will learn, but he is a slow learner, and it might take him 10 more years to learn it):

          (a) The Djibouti Prisoners of War and the lack of progress on the Qatari mediation will be on the agenda;
          (b) His using your “Awet nHafash” money to fund the Ethiopian armed opposition we will be on the agenda.

          So, I understand your anger. But, as always with PFDJ-supporters, it is misdirected. They can’t yell at the PFDJ, so they yell at the rest of the world, including awate:)

          saay

    • Tewelde gebremariam

      Hi Dawit,
      You may denounce the apparent injustice the UNSC has been inflicting on the people Eritrea; you have my support on that. If indeed the UNSC were really the thing its name implies, preserver of World Peace and Security, it would have penalized woyane for refusing to honor the Final and Binding decision of EEBC. Had the UNSC carried out its responsibility, it would have killed three birds with one bullet: the now pestering border problem between Eritrea and Ethiopia, isaias afewerki and woyane would have been history by now.

      But then, we cannot put the total blame on the UNSC, we must also take our share. After all, if isaias afewerki did not commit an act of insubordination to the authority of the UNSC , thus willfully broke the international law, by ordering Eritrean military to cross the border into Ethiopia under the guise of self defense which he could not substanciale before the Eritrea Ethiopian Claim Commission, we would not have been in the mess we are in now.

      There are many indications that shed light to the fact that isaias afewerki defied the authority of the UNSC by design as a means of plunging the people of Eritrea into the current quagmire, of which the handing over of Badme to woyane in 1985, his missmanagment of the war during the woyane Third Offensive, his attempt to hand over the port of Aseb to woyane under the guise of troop withdrawal are a few among the many.evidences.

      Back then, many naive Eritreans, at home and abroad, who did not have an iota of the siituation of Badme, the subtle collaboration of isaias afewerki and woyane, the secret tape of Paul Henze wher Melse Zenawi is recorders to say that isaias afewerki does not believe in independent Eritrea, of appplicable nternational law with respect to war etc. put the blame of the 1998 war wholeheartedly on the treacherous woyane. The rude awakening came to some elite Eritreans after the Algiers Treaty was signed and Isaias afewerki , instead of restoring the country to the normalcy, opting to further distabilize the country, monopolized state potal power in his hands and instituted reign of terror.

      Obviously, there are few elite eritreans , who, duped by his con artistry , have become oblivious to the tragedies which have been unravelling in our country since his declaration of the Reign of Terror. And there are also others, who perceive the dire situation as golden opportunity for them to take their revenge on the highlanders,whom they have been leaving no stone unturn tarnishing them as remnants of Amhara and Tegaru soldiers. The truth however is, unfortunately for the cheap slanderers, , those whom they eulogize, believe that their crad!e lies in the highland of Eritrea.

      No doubt we have been duped by the con artistry of isaias afewerki. We took his cheap flattery, such as Self Reliance, Independent Foreign Policy, Eritrea must be strong, War against Woyane Invasion etc. at their surface value. Little did we know that he was exploiting our euphoria with our new found independence. Now that he has gotten us to this abyss, we must rise up. We must put him in the grave he dug for us. But we cannot achieve victory unless we build strong unity,which mplies , among others, mercilessly rooting out fifth columnists from our midst.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Hello guys,

    Sorry to interrupt your discussions. I am looking for Gash Saleh. Where is he?

    Gash Saleh. The pop superstar “The Weekend” (Abel Tesfaye) seems to CONFIRM your theory about our church. All I am saying is you, him and a little bit AOsman are all going to hell for blasphemy.. 🙂 Here is what he said in the Rolling Stone interview. (Only the relevant part of. what I am talking about..

    “…..Because his mother worked so much, his grandmother took care of him a lot, taking him to services at their Ethiopian Orthodox church. (“It’s almost Islamic. There’s a lot of bowing.”)….”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/mu

    Yiqir Yibelachihu… 🙂

  • Hope

    Hello All:
    This was not only expected,but well engineered and orchestrated!
    After all,both David Shon and Cohen advised us 2 days before the Security Concil Meeting that the Sanctions will stay until Onama and his spoiled “xxxx xxxxx” leave Office”
    The serious dilemma here is that,even though the TPLF could have have set all these up including that of TPDM and Molla thing and that of Ghinbot Sebat and even that of Prof Nega,I am now more than convinced,more than ever , that the PFDJ Head is playing games for the following reasons:
    To a have his hidden Agenda executed-be it Abay Tigray and or to satisfy his evil Revenge against Eritreans!
    Please note that this Conspiracy issue when it comes to Eritrea could be a real one!
    Note that Prof Nega,as Hayat Adem quoted him here,made to the Ethiopian Parliament the most dangerous statement on Eritrea!
    And now just few wks before the SEMG Report,the Prof and his Foreign Minister,Mr.Neamin Zeleke,made Official Statements about the GoE helping them and that they will organize an Army with the help of the GoE and as expected ,the SEMG used this case to keep the Sanction!Well,this is not Rocket Science but something a first grader can figure out!
    I will see what Ms.Sofia T and Prof Ghideon Abay will say now!
    The hypocrisy here is that the SEMG and the Resolutions clearly warn about any kind of violation of the Resolution by the PFDJ in the Horn and it stated it again in the final Sanction Statement but Mr Ghirmay Asmerom tried to make a futile and childish excuse and am not sure if he read the SEMG Report or the previous Resolutions!
    How can he refute the Resolution that clearly states that any kind of violation in the Horn,which includes organizing Oppositions against the immune and spoiled Ethiopia?
    I am fully aware that the Resolutions are have been biased and discriminatory coz,after all,it has been Ethiopia,which violated every rule and destabilized the whole Horn but since it is a spoiled and immune child by the West,we have NO right to defend ourselves but abide by the New Wolrd Order if we have to survive !
    I would not blame our enemies as that is what enemies do !
    Is it a joke to ask for lifting the Sanctions and the Resolutions when in fact,u R acting against them?
    OMG!
    I do not understand this at all!
    Is the Silent Majoroty that much dumb to be silent to that extent?
    At the end,as usual ,Eritrea and Eritreans are the victims and that is why I am against the Resolutions and Sanctions no matter what!

    • Ted

      Hi Hope ,”I am fully aware that the Resolutions are have been biased and discriminatory” The silent majority , BTW not dumb, know they were right all along SEMG were not honest broker that keep Moving the goalposts. But you, “OMG!” are talking from both side of your mouth. I don’t know if you are just ranting or being opposition, if you are the later, would be good idea to take your own advice and salvage some dignity by fighting double standard, hypocrisy and deceit.

      • Hope

        Hey Ted:
        Thanks for the catch!
        It is me,Hope,in the middle !
        Let me clarify my stand of point:
        -I am on the Opposition when it comes to Constitutional Governace and reckless Policy of the GoE issue but with the GoE when things come to the National Security Interest of Eritrea!
        -I oppose any Sanction as the victims are Eritrea and Eritreans!
        -The SEMG and its sponsors have been more than biased with even more evil intention , hence,There is no need of ” OMG” thing when it comes to the SEMG and its Sponsors!
        The US Diplomats clearly and officially confirmed to us this repeatedly and specially on Oc 18th Meeting “On The Future of Eritrea and Ethiopia”
        But read my OMG expression focusing on the contradictory stand and reaction of Amb Ghirmay Asmerom’!
        If the previous Resolutions and Security Council Warnings,irrespective of their validity and legality,strongly advised the GoE to refrain from helping the Ethiopian Oppositions as it will be against the interest of Eritrea besides justifying the very Sanctions passed against Eritrea, and if Eritrea continued to act against those Warnings but at the same time asking the Sanctions to be lifted, yes indeed,Sir,with all due respect,justifies that OMG tone!
        Now,we are not talking about Justice and Truth but about staying away from being trapped rather than going into the trap!
        Unless I am missing something,this approach does not make any sense to me !
        That does not mean that what the Toothless and Coward
        UN and its bosses do make sense !
        Am just saying that the GoE should have kept quite as it started but,it rather,sponsored the Failed Unification of the Ethiopoan Opppsitipn Camps besides the same Failed Opposition making open threats against the BEST ally of the Giant,which keeps vetoing for the Eritrean Sanction and through the very same mouthpiece of the same Power ,the VoA ,on the EVE of SEMG Report and Security Coincil Meeting!
        Does that make sense to you now?
        It is beyond a JOKE!
        “Hilikh” diyu zibehal wella tsilale?

    • V.F.

      Okay Hope, now I am curious. Who are you? In the picture in the ESAT report?

      • Hope

        Dear VF:
        Not sure what you are asking but have two answered for you:
        On the ESAT Report ?You mean on the Eri-Ethiopian Future Conference?
        -I endorse it unconditionally, as that is the best approach we are left with,I.e.,to work for Peace and Economic Integration but diligently!
        -As to my ambiguous and ” incoherent ” comment about the Sanction,it has NOTHING to do with the Conference Report and am of the opinion that the Conference is against the Sanction of Eritrea!
        You will hear very interesting development from the next follow up Conference titled:”What Next”!
        If you live in DC area,join it and learn more and ask questions and you can even present your own Paper using your great Articulation!
        -If you are asking for if I am in the photo ,I am not there!

        • Dear Hope,

          it is rather difficult to understand who the panelists from the eritrean side were in this so called ethio-eri conference, and what they said. i hope we are talking of the same thing. it looks as if it is a conference by the ethiopian opposition for the ethiopian opposition, trying to justify their unnatural relations with dia, whom most ethiopians see as an enemy of ethiopia, rather than a friend. of course, there is the participation from the american side, by the two americans, whose opinions do not seem to interest either addis or asmara any more.
          these were the points that were mentioned in the conference.

          building trust between the two people and people-to-people relationship,

          the advantages and dangers of cooperation with the regime in asmara,

          ethiopia must accept the boarder rulings,

          the old ethiopian ethos of not bending to foreign power exists only in eritrea today,

          ethiopians and eritreans share thousands of years of history and civilization,

          dia believes in the unity of ethiopia,

          eritrea is the only safe place in the horn where ethiopian refugees can go,

          ethiopia’s right to own the port of assab.

          what do you endorse unconditionally, the conference as a gathering of some ethiopians and eritreans, or the points that were discussed?

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            There was no eritrean represented in the conference. If there is any negotiations in the future, it is going to be on ethiopian terms. So, why bother invite them. Right? This is the only reasonable justification for their absence.
            Kibur Ato Hope is endorsing the conference hoping those participants , who haven’t yet acknowledged the independence of eritrea would bring him back to mama ethiopia.
            A very hopeless situation.
            I call it a gossip session than a conference. A conference requires the participation of all concerned bodies.
            ( my two worthless pennies)

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Even it can not be termed as gossip session. It is recession (political) session.

            Aha, Hope, this confused man. He endorsed the recession session because his state of mind is alike.

            By the way, they are Derg remnants. Why did you join them? I thought they are your comrades.

            tes

          • Hope

            Abu :
            You are just afraid of,that they will kick out your TPLF!
            As far as the Eritran Indepence is concerned,swallow the bitter reality along with TPLF and Eseppa remnants that no power under the Sun will even try to bite it let alone to reverse it!

            My endorsement is from Peaceful Co-existence and Fair Economic Integration of the Region point of view!
            Tes;
            Relax buddy ,first thing first;and what I care about is Peace,National and Regional Reconciliation with or without PFDJ!
            I see that you are panicking like Abi that PFDJ might prevail with the Peace Loving Ethiopians and if so, let it be!
            Let Peace and Reconciliation PREVAIL by any means possible including @ the expense of saving the PFDJ!

        • V.F.

          Hi hope. I agree with most of the ideas that passed in the report. I would love to participate in such events but I live on the west coast.

          The main issue I have with the proposals is the underlying assumption that the GOE/IA are engageable with good faith. It seems like they like to add a much needed life line for IA. I think this is a flawed approach. Please let me know if I missing a link here.

          But I do agree 100% that engaging with Ethiopians and deciding our future collectively right now is of paramount importance.

          So many people in this forum are extremely naive in thinking living side by side as two democracies is very simple. Geopolitics very intricate. If anyone thinks we can mutually leave each other alone, then they don’t know history.

          Forget the reunion stuff but at the core of my arguments is that Eritrea cannot make any meaningful progress without Ethiopia’s blessing. Based on this, we need to craft the relationship we will need to have with them as we go now. Getting rid of IA is a much less formidable problem than the enigma we have as to what kind of relationship with Ethiopia guarantees lasting peace for both peoples.

          No one here has given me a remotely satisfying answer besides their very naive nationalistic pride and brainwashed diatribe of ‘Eritrea is densitined to be Singapore.’

          • tes

            Dear V.F,

            You are advocating for joining with your mama Ethiopia, right? All I can say is you are in the wrong website. Here is an Awate Room. Take note this. No one will try to convince you except to show you your childish and naive fanaticism of mama Ethiopia as a gibberish that need to be contained within a garbage cabin.

            tes

          • V.F.

            Tes, I have never shown any fanaticism towards Ethiopia. Heck, I never even praised anything they are doing there. I am only advocating that your dreams of Eritrea will be Singapore can only be realized if you start crafting a good startegy on how to proceed with them or without them. But they will always be there so there is no ‘without them.’ What is your idea on how to proceed forward? Do you think it is possible to draft an honest bilateral relations with the kind of government they have? I will say this if Abi is not reading. Let’s join them and take power from them. That is the ultimate guarantee that we will be fine. Otherwise, they will always be the elephant in the room. And your nationalism is blinding you. It is 100 million people vs 4 or 5 million people. The Tigrayans are 6 million but they have got Ethiopia under complete control. Why not us? Abi. Please don’t have a heart attack. This is an extreme scenario to help people like Tes open their minds a bit.

          • Aklilu Hailu

            You have an interesting view V.F. The ‘Lets join them and take power from them’ was quite amusing. 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Aklilu

            Oh that means you don’t know VF. He even wants to lord over Ethiopia from Entoto… 🙂

          • Aklilu Hailu

            LOL. That’s hilarious Eyob. 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Hi VF, you have a very corrupted and outdated mentality. Last time, you were saying that your desire to join Ethiopia is for Eritreans to “claim up in no time to the top” and today, you are saying if the Tigryans control the entire Ethiopia, why not us”
            This where the real problem is! Who gives you the right to control the people and country who you fought and bleed to get rid of them? Anytime you do things to control people; not only wrong but it will came back to hunt you. therefore; the new generation the way forward is that if we can to live with Ethiopia side by side in peace and metal respect; if not, they got their country and we got ours. What equally corrupted is, there are some people who are behind and never understood that the rule of engagement has changed, for good. It doesn’t matter what your population and number of army you have, not anymore. It is with what you armed yourself to protect your people and country. You don’t need large army, you don’t tanks and you don’t need fighter jets, those are old school. Like I said, the rules of engagements have evolved.
            It is better we coexist in peace and harmony; anything else, bring it on.

          • Dear V.F.

            i am forced to tell you that what you said above is somehow an insult to all the other ethiopian ethnic groups except tigrayans. please, do not take the other ethnic groups as herds who are easy to rule. they are not people who can be cowed by anybody, especially nowadays. these are not the yesteryears, the years of their innocence, when their kindness was misunderstood and misinterpreted. if tplf had not been the catalyst for the changes we see in ethiopia, and if it had continued to use brute force as it tried to do so at the beginning, things could have been completely different today. therefore, please do not underestimate the other ethnic groups of ethiopia.

            the other point; that of creating the singapore of the horn by exploiting ethiopia, is a dream that should have died by now. unfortunately, it still lingers on in the minds of some eritreans. if there is a country that is going to emulate singapore, my friend, it is non other than ethiopia. you can be part of this endevor (the ethiopian renaissance) if you want to, or remain behind. one of the main problems of the eritrean politics is the absence of the wish to accept a change of mind with the changing situation of the world in general and that of the horn in particular.

          • tes

            Dear Horizon,

            Then, this is what change means:

            “The other reason is with a growing population and economy, Ethiopia (it’s about to be 100million people) can not live forever as a land locked country, renting ports.”

            Quote from Eyob Medhanie

            This is the mentality coming from the South.

            tes

          • Dear tes,

            i relly do not understand why you copy-pasted eyob’s response.

            the plan to landlock ethiopia does not end with blocking ethiopia’s sea outlet through the port of assab, when she was at her weakest point in her history, but djibouti had to pay too by an unprovoked war by the belligerent eritrean regime, because she dared to facilitate ethiopia’s access to the outside world. the aim of landlocking ethiopia was to bring her to her knees and destroy her; and fortunately, it did not succeed.

            the afar people (who are forced to live divided, 1.5m in ethiopia and 0.5m in eritrea), who are the real owners of the port and the surrounding area, will one day have a say on the this issue. be sure, they have no reason to choke ethiopia to death.

          • tes

            Dear Horizon,

            You wrote, “the afar people (who are forced to live divided, 1.5m in ethiopia and 0.5m in eritrea), who are the real owners of the port and the surrounding area, will one day have a say on the this issue. be sure, they have no reason to choke Ethiopia to death.

            Are you talking about the possibility of Afar Nation?

            Well, then we will not have Ethiopia and Eritrea of today. This will be a different history. Ethiopia will not allow the separation of Region and Eritrea won’t.

            Lets think outside this ethnic based politics.

            All on the same page. Eyob thinks on imperialism and you think on ethnic based statehood. Good mentality

            tes

          • Dear tes,

            i am talking of an undevided afar ethnic group, that was forced to be divided, and would opt to come together in the future, for the sake of self-rule and their common development. which way they would go, time will show. it depends on their ethnic interest.

          • tes

            Dear Horizon,

            I wish there was one Afar state. But within this 100 years, I don’t think it will be. We really need to work hard and think beyond border and ethnicity.

            Look, in USA, everybody from all over the world wants to immigrate and live there? New social groupings is developing. Today we have Hispanic, Asiatic, Africans, etc. That is what we should think. People consider their identity natural, just like any other parts of their body. What they need beyond is peace and development.

            If Afar people in Eritrea and those in Ethiopia are allowed to live as they should while they are where they are(I mean their respective geographical site) and are free to move at anytime (just like any other African countries), then what hinders them to continue their family ties?

            Just lets consider a country as two simple houses who live side by side, just two villas. Inside one has his own living way and when out they share the common life. This is how I see.

            tes

          • Dear tes,

            what you are saying is the principle of an open boarder between two states, where people can move with little restrictions in both direction. unfortunately, the regime in asmara is fighting this tooth and nail. modern developed states (e.g european countries), who have peace and economic development as their common goal, are implementing this.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            You are an intelligent man. You wrote time will tell where the Afar will go. That would be natural and time will tell where the world will go. No added value in that statement. If that is so, why don’t you just let it be since it is the domain of time? You see, you can’t respect evolution and time while you and your opponents are trying to influence TIME. You need to learn from the Egyptian and the Nile. At one time they had to let go of the crazy idea. I consider any Egyptian who thinks he has a divine right to the Nile ( because 100 million Egyptians cannot go thirsty) similar to a crazy Ethiopian who thinks that way, only replacing Nile with Assab. Just think about it.

          • Ted

            Hi SJ, hahaa, that is cruel. Their head will explode if they start reasoning like ” replacing Nile with Assab”

          • Saleh Johar

            Type your reply…Ted,
            Exploding heads? Are they not already? Well, if not then Yohannes Arramedie or Qendo Vermouth can cure the ailment. It seems you do not know, we have already diverted the source of the Nile (I mean Abbay), it now originated from Rahaita, very near, south of Asseb 🙂

          • Dear SJ,

            the case of egypt and the nile are similar to the case of ethiopia and assab, but at the same time different in many ways. we knew egypt was saber rattling and would not dare a longterm war of occupation to subdue ethiopia, but as much as ethiopia and eritrea are concerned, both side are waiting for a spark to start a fire, because they are used to it. ethiopia and eritrea are countries with a lot of bloodshed in their recent history; and therefore, one should be very careful when handling points of contention that exist between them. nothing is better left unattended that could lead to a disaster in the future.

            whether we accept it or not, assab is the gordian knot that complicates ethio-eritrean relations, and one should better forget all the rest, (that is my personal opinion). we should not allow that it is solved in the mythical way done by Alexander the Great, by cutting the knot with a sword (conflict in our case). that will be the time when djibouti influenced by an enemy power starts to blackmail ethiopia. assab should have made us good friends, instead it was turned in to the pandora’s box that haunts us all. time may bring a solution, but in what way, nobody really knows. therefore, nothing should be left to chance, if possible. a solution that gives the sense of security to ethiopia, will solve the problem.

          • tes

            Dear Horizon,

            Haha, you are not the first to say this. Haile Sillase was from the same perspective as yours so as Mengistu. No one is afraid of war so far except peace.

            All I can see is: Ethiopia and current regime of Eritrea are afraid of having PEACE. As love is sometimes frightening for those with hard people so is PEACE for those blood thirsty people.

            Let’s be therefore courageous for PEACE. PEACE will cost us nothing except mutual respect and dignity.

            Else, you are just repeating what the war mongers said for the last 70 years or plus.

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            Stay reasonable and don’t go by perceptions. About 80% of Ethiopian sea trade has always been conducted through Djibouti, even when the Italian occupied Ethiopia, and now. Assab and Massawa never accounted for more than 20% at the most. It is much ado about nothing–and it has nothing to do with economics, but unsubstantiated, and uninformed political jockeying. Don’t fall for that, do your own research

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            I didn’t thought to argue the way you did it. It is an excellent point.

            tes

          • House of Stark

            Hi Mr Saleh Johar

            Could you please let me know, when Egypt had control of Abay in its history?.If no than it’s two different thing.
            Thank you HoS

          • Saleh Johar

            House of Stark,
            I cannot show you and you cannot ask me to provide proof for something I didn’t believe or say. I never said Egypt controlled Abay. What I said was they believe they have a divine right over it, same as a few seem to think that they have a divine mandate to own Asseb. I was just showing the similarity of thought process between the two.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Horizon:
            Are you Eritrean? You are burdening “TIME”;-)
            Human being can also tell where Afar will go. Politicians often tell us, people cannot do wrong, but we know that crowd make colossal mistakes, God save us from crowd mentality.
            Colonization and wars gave us the current African configuration. War also gave us S.korea and N.Korea, but in S.korea there is this anguished desire to unite with their kin: in the border there is a unification hill, unification bridge, unification lake, unification train station ready to commence traveling the second they get united, and even a map of what he united Korea will look like. It seems that the separation was was traumatic for them.
            Given what the Afars have gone through in the last 25 years, unable to swim in their own sea, unable to enjoy their own fish, we can tell where they will end up going if the trend goes for longer and given Ethiopia invisible hand pulling the levers, we can tell where they will go better than “TIME”
            I want everything Ethnic group to have good relationship with its brotherin across the border, the Afar with the the Afar,the Hidrab with the Hidarb and so on to bolster their culture and their survival to counter the belligerence and arrogance of the majority, which is to put it bluntly are the Tigiriniya in Eritrea, The Tigriniya are also some what belligerent in Ehtiopia if they are not now they can be in the future when they forget where they came from, it the curse of the powrful, but if you are Afar or any tiny ethnic group blessed with a sizable of your kind in the south or int he west, you have to summon the famous Tigrinya adage, “teTsgiben Kicha’s ab mogogo kole efeltta”, I can tell if the bread will quell my hunger while it is still on the oven.

          • Abi

            Hi Sem
            This is the Amharic version
            ” yemiyaTegib injera kemiTadu yastawqal ”
            You welcome!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            Stolen from Tigrinya: tetsgbenni kitcha ab moqlo’a enkola yfelTa 🙂

          • Dear Semere Andom,

            if we have an open border and people who living on both sides of the border are allowed to move in both directions with little restrictions (as i said in my comment to tes), they will be the bridge that would bring both countries nearer to eachother. when the divide was perfected, unfortunately, it cut people from each other and it complicated things. an open border does not annul the sovereignty of a country, and both countries should have in the future a policy that supports such possiblities.

          • Fnote Selam

            Semere,

            A while ago I wrote rather a careless comment (it was not my original idea, rather I picked up from discussion two other people were having) about the people in highlands of Eri and Ethio being problem stoker in the region. I retracted from the debate because, I thought it was rather theoretical argument (and also I am not expert in the topic, just was trying to see what people think about it…).

            But, you know what, it might not be a theoretical argument after all. Look at us, it is the people from the highlands of Eri and Ethio at each other neck over a land that belongs to the Afar….

            Best,

            FS.

          • tes

            Dear Fnote Selam,

            Really?

            You wrote, “… it is the people from the highlands of Eri and Ethio at each other neck over a land that belongs to the Afar….”

            Then what is the need to talk about Eritrea? I think you were approaching realities from Eritrean sovereignty perspective but now you are much ok with divided land.

            Can we leave then the land of Blin to Blin people, land of Kunama to Kunama, bla bla simply because it belongs to them? Every society within Eritrea has his own property and we want this property to be respected as such while having the country called Eritrea.

            But here what you are saying is, let the Afar people do their business, let the Highland people do their business, etc. If that is so, then I don’t know how many divisions we will have. Saying this I am not disrespecting any part of my society but I feel I belong to him.

            tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Tes,

            That was not the point…..

            FS.

          • tes

            Dear Fnote Selam,

            Haha, complete the sentence to say that was not a point. You don’t care about Afar yah? Man, don’t try to be fine.

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Fnote Selam,
            Welcome to the club that everyone seemed to be careful not to be seen even close to its door 🙂

          • Amde

            Selam FnoteSelam and SalehJ.,

            I really have to say this concept that tries to make Ethiopian and Eritrean highlanders (which also conveniently are mostly Christians) as being especially evil (“problem stokers”) as false historically, shallow when seen globally, and dangerous to boot. It needs to be condemned harshly, and fought against strenuously, because we live in a slippery slope world that will take this stupidity at face value in a few years if we don’t.

            1. The mountains on either side of the Rift valley are some of the heaviest populated areas of Africa. That is not an Amara or Tigrayan plot. It happens to be because the cooler climate created a set of conditions that allowed population to grow to levels that could be supported at densities higher than the surrounding. (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.POP.DNST : 2014 – Ethiopia=97, Eritrea=51 vs Sudan=22, Djibouti=38; Another set Rwanda=460(!),Burundi=421(!) vs Kenya=79,Uganda=188)

            2. The cooler air also allows settled farming, which means people don’t have to travel around. The need to stick around to tend to their farms is also a disincentive.

            3. The mountains also by their nature hinder the movement of people. Add the disincentive of moving, the incentive of staying, and the difficulty of terrain, and you can see that this geography also creates the ideal ground for social/cultural diversity as well.

            4. You put dense population and social diversity together, and you will find politics to be more – shall we say – complicated. Complicated politics is not an Amara or Tigrayan plot – it is human nature. Some of Africa’s bloodiest conflicts have been where there were high populations densities, and politics failed to accommodate diversity… i.e. the Biafra war, the Rwanda genocide.

            5. Even with the “complicated” politics, the region still has very vibrant social diversity in all its forms. Religious, ethnic, linguistic etc. I challenge you to show me which of Ethiopia/Eritrea’s neighbors has remotely the level of social diversity that these two countries show. Sudan? Somalia? Djibouti? Egypt? Yemen? Saudi Arabia?

            6. This region hosts denser population at higher social diversity than its surrounding. Obviously, these troublemaking problemstoking people are incompetents at cultural and physical genocide.

            7. Our problems are straightforward, but not especially original. Saying it is caused by trouble stoking people is genocidal thought – pure and simple. And the last people I would expect to give any airing to this nonsense would be the putative victims of such thinking.

            Amde

          • AOsman

            Dear Horizon,

            The truth is what you are saying is not out of care for the Afar ethnic group, if both sides were to join hands to create their own nation, both Eritrea and Ethiopia will not allow them. Since Eritrea is being difficult with the port access, you are thinking of divide and rule….talk about Ogaden and Somalia union first…..then you will have ears when you talk about the right of the Afars.

            The easiest is to work for peace, peace will give both countries more than they are expecting.

            Intae emo hasadat bezihom.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            AOsman,

            How about the view of Oromo nation?
            If you live in a glass house, don’t play with stones. if you live in Ethiopia, don’t think other people are crippled. Humility and shunning arrogance and aggressive posture is the solution. If liberal Eritreans cannot take it from their own brute, why would they take it from others? Isn’t that aggressive practices by the PFDJ that is keeping us away from our beloved country Eritrea?

          • tes

            Dear Horizon,

            I have nothing to be added more than what AOsman said. However I wouldn’t accept your divide and rule policy.

            If you do so, let the Somali people from the Ogaden region be with their brothers in Somalia. That way, we will have ethnic based states. And allow the Oromo people be free from any kind of oppression and the Capital City be left for them.

            This is a mind of the crazy people. I feel sorry when I write like this.

            Horizon, well, I have see the two opposite sides:

            1. The ethnic based divided and rule policy (separatists – old TPLF manifesto – Horizon) and
            2. Lets expand our territory (expansionists – the Shewa based imperialists – Eyob)

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Tes. Eyob. Amde.

            Just imagine who held similar views throughout our recent violent and sad history. And people get offended when I say such ideas can only exist in a certain geographical enclave in the region. Well, maybe they have to play the same game every other decade. And that was the gist of the recent meeting in Washington DC. May God protect us from the Qey Bahratchin deadly bug.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            The recent Washington, D.C. meeting is between people, who are “has beens” and should have retired long ago, people, who are in it for the anticipated fund raising cash and people, who are over their 80s, who should be allowed to say whatever they want like the embarrassing uncle at the thanksgiving dinner. Therefore, irrelevant…

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mizaan:
            Here in lies the problem with your vision: “let us be united to take power with the Eritrean ingenuity”. I can see why the Ethiopian have a problem with this, it is even worse than the other way around, this the tyranny of the minority. If we believe in democracy then the 4 million should not take power, they will share power, receive their share of endowment according to their numbers. Example the house of representatives in the united country will include a number of elected people by a formula so Eritreans cannot and should not seize power, hopefully your united country will have an eqaul representation forumula to avoid the tyranny of the majority

          • Eyob Medhane

            V.F,

            I am not going to leave you alone, because I like you.. 🙂 (rather I am stalking you.. :-))

            Here is something, which I agree with you. The future relationship between Ethiopia and Eritrea should be indeed carefully crafted for so many reasons. I believe, as you do simply “two democracies living side by side besides each other”, because after all there is a linguistic cultural and religious connections that the two people have, which pschologically, and bound together than any other people with similar relationship.

            The other reason is with a growing population and economy, Ethiopia (it’s about to be 100million people) can not live forever as a land locked country, renting ports. It just can’t. (I am being very frank here) Therefore, we may need a kind of arrangement that makes Ethiopia guaranteed, a durable, unwavering (a never put in doubt or makes it at any time for any reason vulnerable to lose access to the sea) I believe (this is my personal believe) the only country with a history that Ethiopia can make its case to this is Eritrea. Ethiopia will NEVER feel safe being landlocked and Eritrea will NEVER secure land locking Ethiopia. If we start how to solve that, with out trying to take advantage of one another (as in Eritrea, saying “you can use our ports, until we change our demand and the rent, the terms of the usage of it or until we feel like locking you up again, because we can) kind of of attitude, our problems always will go in circles. (What I said is solely my own opinion)

          • tes

            Dear Eyob Medhane,

            Ok I know you are giving your opinion but also it is Ethiopian opinion, both at governmental (policy) and public level.

            Well, forget now the cultural and religion issue. This is a mere excuses. The question is whether Ethiopia will stay land locked or not. This is the main driving force behind. Menelik didn’t know what he was doing and he left Ethiopia locked. With Italians, he could have done something to secure access to the sea.

            Nevertheless Ethiopia, once it consolidated its power and emerged as modern country called Ethiopia (in the 1930s, in fact younger than Eritrea), her blood thirsty king Haile-Sillasie wanted to recover the lost opportunities. for that he launched a merciless war on Eritrea’s simply because his objective was to secure access to the sea. If he was wise enough, he could have done a long lasting agreement with Eritreans without trying to wipe them out from their land. The mad man Mongistu was just a killer. he knew nothing except to kill and his sole purpose was to kill every Eritrean by all means possible. Alas we didn’t succeed.

            Now 70 years on this!

            What is then?

            Will Ethiopia search a means using the tactics like before? Will Ethiopia is going to preach the cultural and religious saga? This is a just stupid methodology.

            The simple thing is: Ethiopia should accept as it is her status. Then go on looking for acceptable ways to fulfill her economic interest. But one advice I have for Ethiopia is: no fool and mad person will be present in the future Eritrea like DIA. Ethiopia lost great opportunity of using the Red Sea uder DIA’s administration. He was stupid of stupid leaders to allow Ethiopia to use for free without any known condition. If Eritrea listened General Biteweded’s advice on port access by Ethiopia, if Melles was wise enough to start his leadership based on lega bases with Eritrea, I am quite sure we could have built a prosperious and modern countries by now.

            DIA was stupid and foolish and so was Melles zenawi by trying to use the port without any known to the public and international community legal bases.

            Now, the only way is: weed PFDJ and do open our ports to anyone who wants to use based on set rules and regulations. Eritrea should benefit from its sea and so does anyone who uses these assets by paying what it should be paid.

            What I agree with you is: once an agreement is done from now on wards, it should be permanent, at least for four generations (1 century). After that,, the 5th generation can have his own interest. Who knows like that of Greek, all the port access and Islands might be sold to foreign investors (including Ethiopians).

            tes

          • Eyob Medhane

            Tes,

            I don’t give a flying freak what Minilik thought a hundred something years ago. VF and I are talking about the future. Not the past.

            No. Ethiopia can not accept what it thinks is unacceptable, and if it thinks it is doable it will try to do it. That is what a thriving nation does. Come on. You know all about doing the impossible, don’t you? After all, isn’t your mantra that was given to you by a white journalist, who was in search of his own Che Guvera to play with in late 70s was “against all odds”?

          • tes

            Dear Eyob Medhanie,

            With old mentality, you can’t speak about the future. Your imperialistic mindset is blackmailing your thinking.

            This is your line of thinking – imperialistic

            The other reason is with a growing population and economy, Ethiopia (it’s about to be 100 million people) can not live forever as a land locked country, renting ports.

            Then what? Your future plan is then to do something to feed these over 100 million population, right? To kill, Eritrea: the land not the the people we need” advocacy.

            Well, I thought you were only Arabiphobia never thought your imperialistic attitude though predictable

            Well modern think dear Eyob Mehanie

            tes

          • AOsman

            Dear Eyob,

            What’s happening these days, you are on an aggressive mode. No sane Eritrean wants to strangulate Ethiopia (if they had the say), especially in an event where it is a humanitarian issue like what you have shown Ethiopia is facing in procuring to get food in.

            If you really want change to the situation, Ethiopia should help the opposition based in Ethiopia to expedite change – not the slow death strategy that many are suspecting. Trying to dictate what you must have from Eritrea, you are not going to create a conducive environment for peaceful coexistence, but create more enemies and take us back to another round of protracted war.

            Regards

            AOsman

          • Eyob Medhane

            AOsman,

            They sent you to tame me down, because they know that you are one of my favorites… 🙂

            I am not being aggressive, brother. I am just really disappointed with some Eritreans mean spirited behavior. That was all…

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyob,

            What about having some relaxation moment ! I was watching TED. this is wonderful common understanding we should have, yared! I love it.https://www.ted.com/talks/meklit_hadero_the_unexpected_beauty_of_everyday_sounds

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Just before closing the session for relaxation, lets have this recap.

            1. Eyob Medhanie said,

            The other reason is with a growing population and economy, Ethiopia (it’s about to be 100 million people) can not live forever as a land locked country, renting ports.

            2. Horizon said,

            “the afar people (who are forced to live divided, 1.5m in ethiopia and 0.5m in eritrea), who are the real owners of the port and the surrounding area, will one day have a say on the this issue. be sure, they have no reason to choke Ethiopia to death.

            3. Fnote Selam said,

            Look at us, it is the people from the highlands of Eri and Ethio at each other neck over a land that belongs to the Afar….

            Good points

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Eyob Medhanie,

            Do not get disappointed. Even we are not disappointed when you hate our Arab brothers. Just do not have fun with your imperialist tendency. We are way to control your ambitions. We did it and we will do now unless we build peace within respective countries.

            tes

          • Eyob Medhane

            Tes,

            No…I am having so much fun with my Imperialist tendency. In fact, I will be ruling over Kenya and Tanzanya from Mount KIllimanjaro and India, China and all East Asia from Mount Everst. Imperialism is so much fun. Why wouldn’t I have a tendency to have one.

            Arabs? Meh..don’t care much for them. What’s up with that language of theirs? Hacking and gargling with their throtes…Spare me… 🙂

          • tes

            Dear Eyob Medhanie,

            Good luck my friend. You are good anyhow.

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Eyob,
            It is not only Arabs, a chunk of Eritreans pronounce B for P. What can they do, their language is not Anglo-Saxon. In fact in my town Keren, the languages spoken does not have the P sound except Tigrinya. They say Bebsi instead of Pepsi, just like some people cannot make the gutteral sound of “Aa” as in Aasa (assa=fish), or Hade (hade=one) of H as in mahamed ahmed instead of the gutteral H as in Mohammed Ahmed. Oh those pebbles that those who live in glass houses throw 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            As much as for my reputation for “hating” Arabs, let me show you a news that made me so happy and said “God Bless Ethiopia…

            http://www.unhcr.org/5629052b6.html

            Now please, join me to say “Welcome”, “Inkuan dehna metachihu” “Arhibu” “Marhaba Sena”, “inqua be’kare aselachihu” to these beoble… 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,
            Are you going to make fun of those who says arhibu (including your highness), instead of the gutteral arHibu 🙂

            Eyob, I like you as a person, but your racist rants against races is just medieval. I will react the same if it was directed against the Kurds or Assyrians. It’s the thought that you, living among diverse Americans just couldn’t fit in my perception of you.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Eh….Gash Saleh,

            Wait a second…I don’t get it. What did I do?

            Where was I a racist? I was talking about the new Yemeni refugees that have arrived in Ethiopia….

            And we say Arhibu in Ethiopia, but not with the gargling sound like other languages (Arabic and French) make… I say beoble just in a jest…it’s a joke… Marhaba is a standard Afan Oromo greeting, even though the term is borrowed from Arabic.. (Again Afan Oromo doesn’t have the gargling sound either) so I don’t get what offended you…

          • Saleh Johar

            See Eyob?

            I am not talking about Arabic od French, but Tigrinya. Those of us who speak Tigrinya have no problem with gutteral H. That is what I said, but you couldn’t resist going to your usual target. Go ahead, but don’t make fun of Tigrinya and Tigre or other language speakers when you do. merhaba is pronounced merHaba and you should make fun of all Amharic and Oromiffa speakers for consistency. The problem is you cannot pronounce it–but I will not make fun of you 🙂

            NB: I am not offended, I just want you to be consistent not selective

          • Eyob Medhane

            Oh Gash saleh,

            Now I get it. Well…Amharic speakers we have a lot to be made fun of…we can’t sound th..so we proudly replaced it with Z. Zis is what I am saying… :-)… Afan Oromo..they are cool…They usually borrow a word and add something on…it they say Mrhaba Sena (hello come on in, (in rough translation) or simply they say Sena…The Gurages have something similar with you guys… Tigrigna Speakers.. They say Enqua…but they dropped the gargling sound… and even sometimes they say Enkuan (the young speakers) Enquan Be’kare Aselqchihu.. Means (enkuan beselam metachihu) in Guragigna…So…I was just greeting our new Yemeni arrivals, in different languages. You spoild it… 🙁

          • Fnote Selam

            SGJ,

            You know what, things are upside down now. By current ‘Asli’ standards (Note to Saay and others, the term ‘Asmarino’ is no longer used to indicate ‘coolness’, it is replaced by ‘Asli’), pronouncing the proper ‘B’ as በ sound for example in ’boutique’ will have you relegated to ‘fara’. Most Aslitat read ’boutique’ as ፑቲክ…..and there are plenty of other examples…

            FB.

          • Amde

            Eyob,

            You said. “Ethiopia will NEVER feel safe being landlocked and Eritrea will NEVER feel secure land locking Ethiopia. ”

            Well said. I consider it a burden and a curse on the Eritrean people.. many Eritreans think it is just an asset Isayyas has misused.

            One look at the map and it was perfectly predictable that an ambitious Eritrean regime would be tempted to play the card. Which EPLFDJ did to another equally predictable result.

            I find it really funny and sad when Eritreans make sure to tell us ” you are never getting Assab.. never never..” Even our esteemed Saay says that. Well, so the Ethiopians are not getting Assab. You are haemmorrhaging your youth because of hegemonic dreams inspired by the geopolitics of Assab. We would rather sell our kidneys than see Ethiopians at Assab. How is that working for you?

            The way out is tight integration with ironclad Ethiopian security guarantees.

            VF intuitively gets it. His articulation of it is what gets him in trouble.

            Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            That is what is baffling to me. Read Tes response to me. Some Eritreans like him, their desire is not just to be hegemonic, but just to subdue, control and manage a neighbor that is twenty five times larger than them in population, landmass, natural resources and diplomatic clout…Hence, the constant wish and hard work that they put out to break up Ethiopian into pieces of several mini states. In chaos and waste huge amount of time to try to foment hate and discord between languages, peoples and ethnic groups of Ethiopia. That is just unbelievable

          • Amde

            Eyob

            To be honest, I stopped reading his comment when he said Ethiopia is younger than Eritrea.. he mentioned 1936. And he is a PhD student.

            Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            Good move. I really wonder what kind of a panel would oversee his doctoral dissertation… 🙂

          • tes

            Dear Eyob Medhanie,

            You should not worry on that. Just suppose you are one of the panelists and I am presenting my findings. This is very simple thing to do right now.

            Mind you though when I say I have a sound degree of confidence and I am ready to defend what I say. This is what a doctoral dissertation is.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Eyobe
            His dissertation will be deserted by the panel.

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Haha, why you are not around, you are getting lost. Sometimes I miss your humour. hey, get ready there are some awatistss who are coming to your morgue.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Amde,

            I hate to go into Ethiopian politics. But thanks goes to British for fully recognizing its sovereignty in 1944. By the way, slavery in Ethiopia was abolished very recently. Thanks goes to Haile Sillasie for making free the more than 4 million slaves kept under his empire.

            But take not here, I am not talking about Abyssinia or the name Ethiopia, I am talking on a sovereign country called Ethiopia. You may go to Axumite and now to archaeological findings to prove Ethiopian history. Yes I know but that goes to the people’s history who were living in this geographical area.

            tes

          • Amde

            Dear Tes

            Thank you for the information on Ethiopian slavery in 1936. Slavery is spelled S-A-W-A in Eritrea in 2015.

            Amde

          • tes

            Dear Amde,

            haha, remember we Eritreans are fighting to free ourselves from another home grown enslaver. Ethiopian leaders did a different thing to us, they didn’t want to enslave us rather they wanted to kill us. DIA, the home grown dictator who is enslaving us for the last 15 years. Therefore we are not yet free from slavery, we are fighting to be FREE.

            tes

          • Amde

            Dear tes,

            Bless your naive heart.

            Amde

          • tes

            Dear Amde,

            Amen!

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Tes,

            Your provocation works and it provoked me to provoke you. When in the world history books do you read forced slaves won great battles with modern European army assisted by over 60,000 paid askaries?

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T,

            May be in Ethiopia. Europeans used slaves for a different purpose. I am not sure about Ethiopian imperialists. Since you are well versed on Ethiopianism, can you tell us if it ever happened?

            Thanks for being provoked.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Tes,
            That is not an answer. The idea is yours , not mine. It is up to you to defend as a good reader, and PhD candidate. So tell me how hundreds of thousands of untrained ordinary slaves and peasants turn to be well disciplined, followe the order from their rulers (I am not saying leaders) and fight against Europeans and win battles. To me it is weird, and if you have facts, I am ready to hear.

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T,

            Here is how I started my sentence

            “I am afraid though those who participated in the Italio-Abyssinian war of early 19thC were slaves.”

            Then I was postulating for possibilities. If you insist, I may come back with some historical findings. One fact I have so far is: those who participated during the war were like a strong wave* that reaches a beach and destroy everything around.

            tes

            *wave here stands for large and all at a time where it is difficult to finish them by what ever means of sophisticated war tools you have (we are talking of late 19th and early 20th C.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ato Amde,
            Do you remember once you told me that “the horse long left the barn” and I told you never left. Well, do you believe now? Since you believe on trash take that reads…
            “Ethiopia will NEVER feel safe being landlocked and Eritrea will NEVER feel secure land locking Ethiopia”
            Before believing on such trash war mongering comment; how about you feed your own people first?

          • Amde

            General Nitricc

            Since mongering war is your chosen profession, why are you bothered? Or are you bothered like in “hot and bothered”?

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amde; my point is there is no need for any confrontation. if you need Asab, give up Gojjam, simple. and i am bothered because people like you, i consider people of peace going in to outdated war mongering. so, Eritrea’s choice is peace but she will be more than capable in defending her self.
            as any war is ugly and stupid, the 1998 to 2000 war between Ethiopia and Eritrea has imprinted the blue print of for future defending strategy.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Nitricc;
            Why do you want to trad Gojjam, what does it have in terms of wealth besides the beautiful women;-)
            Also given your military background as it stands now, not in the past, not in the future, but right now how did you surmise that Eritrea can defend itself if war broke.

          • Amde

            Ah General Nitricc,

            But you didn’t understand my comment. Ethiopia is doing fine without Assab thank you very much, and Assa is becoming irrelevant by the day anyway. It’s done – stick a fork in it. When the port of Tadjurah opens for business, there won’t be sufficient demand for a third port in less than 120 miles. When the railway link of the Ethopian northern market to the port of Tadjurah is completed, it is not just Assab that has lost its business, but also Mitsiwa’s preferred position to serve the northern Ethiopian market.

            The point is that those at the helm of the Eritrean state see this opportunity for holding a strategic lock over Ethiopia that Assab represents as an irresistible urge to play for geopolitical hegemony, primarily over Ethiopia.

            The orthodoxy of this site is that Issayas is a lone lunatic, mismanaging the affairs of state. However, if he was gone tomorrow and they put someone else – let’s say you – in charge, I am over 100% sure you will be tempted to play the same game. I say it is a burden on the Eritrean people because it is their sons and daughters who will be asked to shoulder the burden of hostility with a neighbor 20X their size in population, and how many X times their size in economy. The current situation is completely, 100% explainable with EPLFDJ stubbornly sticking with their thwarted hegemonic ambitions. And i am dead sure they would not go about starting and persisting on this course if they did not feel Ethiopia’s land lockedness gives them an inevitable long term victory.

            Assab represents a cruel joke on Eritreans. It is the classic Siren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_%28mythology%29). It is a shiny object, irresistibly alluring, strokes the ego, creates fantasies of being region dominant and world players. With Assab in hand, Eritrea would milk the Ethiopians, play the Jews against the Arabs, the Persians against the Sunni, the Americans against the Chinese. The camel thinks it can play among the jackals, but it is a plodding herbivore among merciless meat eaters. And just like the Siren myth, its end result has been spectacular shipwreck after shipwreck.

            That’s what I meant. It is irrelevant to Ethiopia as a commercial port. It is worthless to Eritrea as a commercial port if Ethiopia is not using it. It is poison to Eritrea as a geostrategic tool. It can be commercially relevant to Ethiopia and Eritrea, but it would take a meaningful agreement between the two sides.

            Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            God bless you man..Anjeten araskew. Yezerahew yibqel. Yeweledkew yibarek….. 🙂

          • Amde

            Haha Eyob,

            Why thank you very much. That is buhe in Tiqimt.

            Amde

          • Fnote Selam

            Amde,

            I dont agree with everything you said here, but you made some really good points that every Eritrean should soberly ponder about….may be another reason for ‘pacifist constitution’ in Eritrea and a ‘land/port utilization’ swap between the two countries….

            FS.

          • Amde

            Selam FnoteSelam,

            Well I can tell you are aptly named. That was gracious of you. I feel guilty for being a bit harsh on you on a response to another comment.

            In any case, this proposal might get you accused of being “courageous” 🙂 enjoy … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE&feature=youtu.be&t=263

            Amde

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Amde,

            Here is a crazy idea….what if Eritrea and Djibouti work together to give a stretch of land to Ethiopia to allow sea access, for example Eri can give 30Km and Djb, 10Km…..that way Eth would have 40km of sea access…. (in exchange, may be, Eth can give Dji some water and arable land, and Eri would be allowed to use more of Tekeze river…).

            What do you think the implications would be…..?

            FS.

          • Amde

            Selam FnoteSelam,

            That is not a crazy idea at all. There are practical issues, such as whether the stretch of coast is just a beach or whether it can accommodate a harbor.

            In any case, my gist was that landlocking Ethiopia is a geopolitical burden on Eritrea. Not the other way round, as people generally assume. I know it sounds self serving coming from an Ethiopian, but that is the reality. Think beyond Ethiopia. Wouldn’t the current scenario invite let’s say Saudi and Iran to compete over who calls the shots ?

            In addition, there are regional ramifications. Why is Eritrea involved in Somalia and Djibouti? A large part of it is because EPLFDJ believes controlling/dominating Djibouti and Somalia is a completion of the encirclement process that landlocking Ethiopia has started.

            Amde

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Amde,

            I understand what you mean when you said it is burden for Eritrea. And I was implying that if Ethiopia get permanent sea access, the temptation to want to block Eth will be gone. But also, for a lot of Ethiopians, the lack of sea access for Eth is big issue and so the solution I forwarded here would achieve both objectives.

            As to why gov of Er wants to involve somalia, Dji, I think you have stretched it a bit, but I will not defend PFDJ.

            Regarding technical practically, with modern technology, should not be a big problem…

            Anyway, as I say quite often times in this forum, i am not really expert of any kind, but as a citizen concerned with the peaceful coexistence of people in the region where I come from, that is one solution that I think can help solve/avoid conflicts (if goodwill could be built on all sides)….

            Best,

            FS.

          • Amde

            FnoteSelam,

            I think you genuinely have a lot of goodwill and want to help solve the problem. I don’t want to praise your efforts too much in case you get attacked for being a neo-andenet haha.

            In any case, “Assab” for many Eritreans appears to be do or die. The tables have simply turned. When I was growing up Assab was do or die for Ethiopia. Right now Eritrea loses more from landlocking Ethiopia than it gains. Will this change? I personally doubt it. But I fear Eritreans think the sum total of their problems are simply bad management, which will be solved when the CEO dies. I don’t see this discussed by Eritreans at all… in a way it is a foundational issue so you are breaking new ground here.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amde, i will answer your every question and concern you have because when it comes the push and poll factor; we are the once to decide which way to go. As an Ethiopian, i will give you a test of honesty and a test of integrity. in your own thinking and considering all the evidence or lack of it, do you think Eritrea deserved this sanction? approach with absolute care!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Amde

            Hi Nitricc,

            1. Yes, Eritrea deserved the sanction.
            2. The sanction is immaterial. Eritrea’s economy was not sanctioned, only its means to make war. What did EPLFDJ do with the Bisha gold money?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amde, i missed this response of yours to me. well, may be Aseb will be useful to Egypt to duck their Alligator attack helicopter and their precious French air craft carrier. may be and my be then like aiga.com you will realize how Assab is not watering hole for Eritrean camels. so, my friend, be carful what you wish for. i have no doubt Eritrea can do good with good relation with Ethiopia but I have also no doubt Eritrea will do miracles with out Ethiopia. the reason is there are people, weakest link, like your friend VF, who are kissing Ethiopian butt and there are real Eritreans refused to turn back and going forward, we will make the wish we have imagined the best Eritrea to see.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Nitrickay
            Anmde represents the typical, old Ethiopian view point. This view point believes that Eritrea could not survive without Ethiopia. Look how often he repeats in his comments (2ox bigger…yada…yada….). He is smart well versed in international relations/commerce; he knows states and economies transact proportional to their size and thrive. Countries do the same. But not Eritrea. It has to be explained by how Ethiopia squeezes the headlock on it.
            Assab is doing business as we speak. Eritreans have not paid that much price to end up in a situation where they have to say they can not live without Ethiopia. All that matters is how Eritreans think about themselves, not how Anmdes think how Eritreans should think. We will never ever succumb to such absurd propaganda. We wish Ethiopia to do well without Asab if the price of “cooperation” is head locking us. That’s why the TBS said Eritrea needs to think outside the box, and I think the direction is clear.

          • Amde

            Selam Mahmud

            Please don’t mischaracterize me. I dont know how you get from what wrote, that Assab is a burden on Eritrea, to where I supposedly said Eritrea is not viable.

            I have explicitly said Eritrea can survive economically. I have also said Eritrea’s problem is that it is in hegemonic competition with a country X times its size, but that otherwise it is a normal poor African country. I have said Eritrea is just one deal away with Ethiopia from being a normal country, even with Isayyas at the helm.

            As to whether or not I am right, time will vindicate me. Don’t worry about it.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Selam Getaw
            You read my mind. I always believe Eritrea is a one public speech away by PIA to normalize relationship with its neighbors and itself. He can reform easily while at the helm. ( Tes, don’t shoot!)

            Regarding Mahmud, you have to know there are two of them. The one who writes from Starbucks ( Mohamaday), and the one who writes from the kitchen while his wife is screaming at him because he burned the food , which is almost always ( Mahmunight).

            Mahmunight wetader
            Dist yemiyasarir
            Kekuchina yemifokir
            Endih new prime minister!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            I respectfully disagree. No one in the neighborhood wants to live next to Isayas anymore. They ( large number of particularly Kebessa Eritreans) may worship him and sacrifice themselves and their children at his alter. But, not Djibouti, not Sudan, and especially not Ethiopia trust that bas**** no matter what kind of speech he gives and no matter what he has to say.

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            IA is eritrean problem first and foremost. You can not choose your neighbor based on his treatment to his wife. My policy is I don’t want to find myself in their kitchen. Let the kebesas worry about him.
            What kind of speech? I think like the one Mengistu gave in the summer of 1990 will do the trick.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Ammde

            Sometimes, I read really constructive comments from you, but on other occasions you go berserk. Here, I will quote you and hopefully, you will understand what I mean.
            “Assab represents a cruel joke on Eritreans. It is the classic Siren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…. It is a shiny object, irresistibly alluring, strokes the ego, creates fantasies of being region dominant and world players. With Assab in hand, Eritrea would milk the Ethiopians, play the Jews against the Arabs, the Persians against the Sunni, the Americans against the Chinese. The camel thinks it can play among the jackals, but it is a plodding herbivore among merciless meat eaters. And just like the Siren myth, its end result has been spectacular shipwreck after shipwreck.”

            OK, you may describe how Eritrea is faring. It’s indeed facing difficult times thanks to the Ethiopian regime’s hostile posturing. It’s clear who is pursuing a hegemonic policy in the region. Eritrea could not attempt to subdue Ethiopia, but it is capable of thwarting any bellicose posturing.
            And here, you are supporting Eyob’s view as expressed by the following sentence.
            “Ethiopia will NEVER feel safe being landlocked and Eritrea will NEVER feel secure land locking Ethiopia”
            1. Eritrea never land locked Ethiopia. Ethiopia could finalize the border issue, and both countries can move on. Ethiopia was using Asab free before the start of hostilities. It embargoed it. The initial measure is understandable since both countries were in a state of war. What followed after the war is nothing short of attempts to bring Eritrea to its knees. Well, I may oppose PFDJ, but believe me, that will never get me to get blind on what Ethiopia is doing in trying to reverse or undo Eritrea’s independence using soft tactics. Eritrea has almost weathered the storm thanks to its resilient people. Eritreans have learned yet another lesson the hard way. Let Assab get out of business if that means bearing the kind of scornful attitudes, dense with condescension, that I read from some Ethiopians. Let it be barren. It will still be Eritrean, and we will love it and defend it. By the way, you guys always talk about Assab, there are other small ports and bays in the area that could easily be rehabilitated once Eritrea gets back on business. And Assab is doing business at this time, anyway. My dear Ammde, probably you will come to Asmara leading technical team, and I am sure we will make sure you feel at home. You see once we get out of this cheap talks, dollars and sense will take place.
            2. We never fought all these years to get back under Ethiopian pressures. We would not pay all that price if we knew we could not thrive without Ethiopia. So, dear Ammde, Eritrea is independent. It will follow a policy that serves its interest. And I believe Ethiopia is a natural start. But that will happen when we talk in terms of mutual respect. If Ethiopia ignores Eritrean ports, that’s its choice, but we will make sure our ports are competitive. Brother, it’s all about business. Who turns down a deep pocketed customer. But this should be with the notion that both are independent of each other, yet could be interdependent through free and independent choice. You see, I see independence as leading to free choice of interdependence. Mutual interdependence could only be done by independent nations. Any relation that is not done through an independent choice is not mutually benefiting. It’s like the relation between a master and a servant. I want to see both countries embarking on new era. I hope to see that. Because we need to make sure the era of rivalry and war ends with us.
            Regards.

          • Abi

            Hi Mahmud
            Do you really believe ethiopia is trying to undo eritrean independence? You know better than anyone else what eprdf ( the ruling party, in case you forgot) did against the wish of ethiopians to realize eritrean independence.
            I can’t believe you said that.
            It looks like you started your hateta in the kitchen and finished it at Starbucks.
            If I ever get a chance to meet you , it should be at a coffee shop.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam abi
            You know abi, with all your notoriety, you seem to be one of those Ethiopians who I joke with. It will be in the kitchen, buddy.
            EPRDF? That was 1991-93, now it is 2015. We went through the 1998-2000 and then continuous state of war. and then don’t forget, I said “through soft tactics.” That’s very important. Ask the Hayats, Kokeb selams, V.FS…..they will tell you what that means.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Mahmud,

            You said: “OK, you may describe how Eritrea is faring. It’s indeed facing difficult times thanks to the Ethiopian regime’s hostile posturing.”

            Now that’s a funny statement. Isn’t it ? 🙂 I’ll put them among your other blame Ethiopia for everything rhetoric. Edme yisten and we’ll see if that approaches solves anything for Eritrea. HINT: it will not.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Amde

            Selam Mahmud,

            It is a matter of perspective I suppose. Berserk? Moi? I am just telling you the truth as I see it. It is simple to understand where I come from actually. First, I don’t moralize – I try not to anyway. Second, I think states and political actors for the most part act out of what they think is in their interest. Third, even while I believe we are essentially one people, it is more relevant for the here and now that we are two states. What matters is what the states do. Fourth, States are just glorified organizations but by their special nature, they have “the right” to kill you and force you to kill others, among many other things. I find words like “nation” and “country” and “patriotism” rather convenient terms that generate an emotional mask over what the glorified organization is doing. Fifth, for the most part, people don’t have much choice which “glorified organization” (state) they belong to. They are subservient to what the state chooses to do in their names (democracy helps here).. You throw in Ethiopia and Eritrea in there at the end, and there you go.

            So, if we are discussing the interests of these two states, there is nothing in those two quotes of me that can be called berserk. They are consistent with what I stated above.

            I will quote you: “It’s indeed facing difficult times thanks to the Ethiopian regime’s
            hostile posturing. It’s clear who is pursuing a hegemonic policy in the
            region. Eritrea could not attempt to subdue Ethiopia, but it is capable
            of thwarting any bellicose posturing.”

            From my perspective, Eritrea’s current situation is not due to Ethiopian hostile posturing, but self inflicted. And not self inflicted accidentally, but by choice. And not a one time choice, but a decade plus position maintained even in the face of depopulation of its youth. The response to the Badme issue is the acid test for me. One deal on the border will close that particular chapter. One easy deal.

            In any case one man’s hegemonic ambition is another man’s life-or-death security issue. That is a discussion that will get us nowhere. “Ethiopia was not land locked until….” is not a viable argument. The “..until..” part shows it was conditional. The recognition of its conditionality that rudely dawned on the EPRDF in 1998 has played a big part of where we are today. The EPLFDJ just hasn’t figured out the liability part of a landlocked Ethiopia.

            Amde

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Ammde
            Let’s start with definitions. Could you tell me what you mean by landlocked Ethiopia. These is I think in the center of all the cyclical arguments. You supported this line in your previous comment.
            -“Ethiopia will NEVER feel safe being landlocked and Eritrea will NEVER feel secure land locking Ethiopia”

            And now you added: “The EPLFDJ just hasn’t figured out the liability part of a landlocked Ethiopia.”
            I’m thinking may be what we call independence- political, territorial, economic, diplomatic- could mean or could be taken as a land locking of Ethiopia to some Ethiopians. If the fact that Ethiopia is effectively a land locked country has not dawned upon you, then we are talking on different levels. I thought we are past that argument. If you could I would love to read from you. I just want to know what you guys mean but insinuating that Eritrea has land locked Ethiopia.
            My reply might be delayed due to schedules but I promise that I will reply to you with out the word “berserk”.

          • Amde

            Selam Mahmud,

            Apologies for the delay i responding. I was travelling. I am glad you find me anachronistically amusing, but nevertheless here we go.

            You asked for a definition. Wikipedia says “A landlocked state or country is a sovereign state entirely enclosed by land, or whose only coastlines lie on closed seas.” That is good enough for me.

            The question is whether such a status creates benefits or problems for the countries/states involved. Context matters. In our particular case, when the two were still friends, it was immaterial – for all intents and purposes they were one country with two capitals. As a friend once coarsely/colorfully described it “be and qiT inira” was the motto. It was such a relationship that Isayyas publicly talked about the meaninglessness of borders. Now of course we know borders suddenly became quite meaningful enough to kill and die by the tens of thousands in 1998.

            You see, the problem is not that Ethiopia’s landlockedness just dawned on me, it was that it dawned on the EPRDF that Ethiopia is a landlocked country only in 1998.

            The narrative on this site is that today’s Eritrean state is a creation of the brutality of Ethiopian governments. Fair enough – most counter-insurgencies are brutal affairs mostly because they end up becoming primarily military projects. I don’t see anything that makes the Ethiopian case unique in this regard. The counter narrative as to why Ethiopia did not want to be land locked is not explained. It is an Eritrean site, so I don’t expect it to. In any case, my position has consistently been that there is an Ethiopian security interest that has driven the HaileSellasie and Derg counter-insurgencies. EPRDF’s childish personalization of government policy as simply the manifestation of the leader’s compromised character, has confused the issue. Abi’s memorable statement that he celebrates 1993 as Ethiopia’s independence from Eritrea is certainly objectively true in one sense. Fundamentally, the cost the Ethiopian state sustained in order to pursue Ethiopian perceived security interest was so large and so consuming, that a solution in the form of Eritrean independence has made a palpable difference to the country. Even for me an old school Ethiopian, there is no doubt that the single largest factor that made the current Ethiopian success possible was the elimination of the corrosive Eritrean issue.

            The question is, did Ethiopia’s security question get resolved? My position is that it hasn’t. I don’t think I need to recite you the history of the past 100 years.

            In any case, the EPRDF is on its second model of how to deal with Ethiopian security vis-a-vis Eritrea. The first model was to be virtually one country with two capitals. Ethiopian security was outsourced into Eritrea’s hands, and the result was the spectacular failure of Badme (which I am sure even you agree was precipitated and instigated by Asmara).

            The second model is the current no-war, no peace one. Ethiopia has not only managed to get peace and but also to have Eritrea shoulder the burden of this peace. Eritrea has co-operated and continues to co-operate very well with this model. Time will tell if this is a model that can survive into a post-Isayyas period, but for that we only need a few short years. Postings on this site that say “Well, Eritrea does not need to look to Ethiopia – it can orient itself into another direction.” are to me Eritrean endorsements of this model, with the implicit assumption that a better steward of the current arrangement will show up on the Eritrean side. That is a big perhaps in my book – but we will see.

            I hope I don’t need to explain to you then the obvious linkage between Ethiopia’s landlocked status and its security (insecurity) issues. It is clear that for its security purposes, Ethiopia is playing cold war with Eritrea and kingmaker in Somalia. (Kingmaker in Eritrea could be the next model) Neither are strictly speaking ideal demonstrations of normal good neighborliness. But in both instances, Ethiopia has managed to maintain peace at what appear to be economically and diplomatically sustainable loads. The brunt of the load is borne by the states of Eritrea and Somalia (and obviously their respective peoples).

            So when you look at the total effect of Ethiopia’s landlockedness on the region, this should also be part of the calculus. That is why I say, the net effect of a landlocked Ethiopia is a negative on Eritrea and the region. The net effect of the special case of Assab being on the Bab-el-mandeb is an additional burden on Eritrea. Being on a popular thoroughfare attracts the good and the ugly into play.

            I think, both Eritrea and Ethiopia would have been so much better off if they existed as very demographically similar states, both on the Red Sea, neither feeling that the other has structural threats or advantages over the other. In such an arrangement, I find a Badme border dispute still feasible, but an all out war impossible.

            I hope that helps.

            Amde

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam amde
            I thank you for your honest reply and I respect you for that. Now, having realized the fact that Ethiopia is a landlocked country (and that has nothing to do with Eritrea, it’s the “geography stupid” thing) for good my reply will be short.
            1. As an Ethiopian, in dealing with the status of Eritrea, you have two choices: either you believe Eritrea is an independent state, or you don’t believe that
            2. If you believe that Eritrea is an independent state, then the way you handle Eritrean relation with Ethiopia will be the same way you handle all other neighbors. Because there should not be conditions. Why Asab and why not Massawa, for example. Because both are within recognized international territory. Even your government has not claimed it. So, amde, for the sake of reading reality and keeping our conversation neat and fruitful, let’s drop these points. They are out of the reach, but tend to keep us regurgitate the same stuff.
            3. There are international laws and treaties that allow Ethiopia have unfettered access to sea provided it does not violate Eritrean laws and sovereignty. Ethiopia embargoed it. In his famous speech PMMZ said that Ethiopia would not inject money to a dying regime. Thanks to those speeches and Ethiopian micromanaging of the opposition, today the state of organized opposition is extremely weak. The role is overtaken by civic societies and activists.
            4. If the hostile situation continues, and there is no change in the behavior of both states, it is extremely crucial to Eritreans that we show Ethiopia we can make it without it. I think when both states make this point, then the old hegemonic nonsenses can be shattered and can look on possibilities of complementing just like any actor nation of the region.
            5. If we are lucky and a breakthrough is made, where leaders who put history within perspective and move on towards the positive direction of it thereby lessening the long term damage, then I think the normalization and even close relationship between these two countries within the reach of a stroke of a pen. The people have largely overcome the negative impacts of history. I live next to an ex-Ethiopian army member of technical staff, we coordinate our children activities, and gossip about the past in our Starbucks. He spent in Eritrea for about ten years, worked with almost all the divisions, and we sort of talk it off. We faced off in battle field, but both of us wish it did not happen. Therefore, judging from the attitude in the communities in the diaspora, and Eritreans in Ethiopia, I believe the people are way ahead of the head of states.
            6. Given Ethiopia’s legitimate right to have access to the sea per international law while respecting Eritrea’s territorial integrity and laws, considering the normal relationship between the people, I don’t see why we should always try to explain the relationship of both countries in terms of wars/security issues…etc. Can’t we understand that this is an abnormal situation? I have no straight answer as two how this political impasse will play out. But if the governments of both states think they can resolve this by waiting it out until the other side “implodes” or “explodes”, I think many dark years or even decades are ahead. I think the single most miscalculation that the Ethiopian government is making is that due to the weight of international and economic pressure PFDJ will be “dismantled” and a “friendly” government will ascend onto the throne in Eritrea where their ethnic balkanization followed by secession of Dankalia will be materialized. The more this policy is pursued the better for PFDJ. Eritreans youth may be fleeing out of the endless national service and the situation it has created, but they are not willing to contemplate a deja vu of the past.
            7. I have yet to see you crystalize why you connect or even fuse Ethiopia’s need of access to the sea with security. What has security to do with access to sea unless you are to mean that Ethiopia’s landlocked-ness would automatically (or naturally) mean that Eritrea is to live next to a growling mammoth? I think this notion should be fought back at personal level my friend amde. As an Ethiopian you may have those feelings, but we are past that point. The best we can say as free citizens is something that give alternate narration to the peoples of the region.
            ** I want you to read your comments and sea who is displaying hegemonic sentiments. Sometimes our feelings don’t obey our conscious and careful activities.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Amde,

            The following of your statement took my attention:

            “States are just glorified organizations but by their special nature, they have “the right” to kill you and force you to kill others, among many other things. I find words like “nation” and “country” and
            “patriotism” rather convenient terms that generate an emotional mask over what the glorified organization is doing.” And yes the people “are subservient to what the state chooses to do in their names.” Very very True. That is the actual relationship between the state and the people. Excellent point.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Amanuel H,

            I wonder what you are “struggling” for, if you believe in this statement by Amde “And yes the people are subservient to what the state chooses to do in their names.” which you rewarded with your “very very true”. Aren’t you struggling for a situation under which the people could freely and democratically choose their representative government, thereby giving the state the permission to handle on the people’s behalf?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Abraham,

            The statement is always true whether I support it or not. Organizations (parties) do what they do on the bases of their interest and the public whether they get a fare share or not on the outcome of the struggle they are always subservient to the state and the organizations that run the state, because it is the nature of the dirty politics. Therefore while the struggle is the struggle of our people, the ultimate beneficiary are the organizations. Our reality is a good exemplary, the PFDJ is doing what is best for their interest to stay in power and monopolized the economy of the nation. If that reality doesn’t make sense to you, then I don’t know how you understand the mechanics of politics.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            Amde’s statement is made on general basis; he is not refering to the history of the Eritrean Revolution or the current state of Eritrea under the PFDJ in particular. That is why I objected to it. Even Amde is not denying the role of democracy in narrowing the gap between the State and the people. Also if you see your reply to Amde again, you’re speaking on general basis and not about the PFDJ. But now, surprisingly, you’re trying to cover up your blunder by pointing to the current situation of the Eritrean people, as if you do not know my stand on this matter. My vision for the Eritrean people is not “dirty politics”; but a real democracy with checks and balances; where the parties present their programs and agendas to the people without any coverup; and where the people decide which parties to elect freely. I also envision for an independent press that scrutinizes the politicians with a critical manner. In addition to this, there should also be an independent judicial branch that would oversee the rules and laws of the country are followed by everyone, including the politicians. When you have these essential components of a true democracy in place, and the necessary institutions to enforce them, then the State/government becomes the real representative of the people, that the people can hire or fire based on its accomplishments.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Abraham
            Very well said, Tracking Amde’s response to my reply will help. I suspect Amde was trying to lessen or soften my mention of Eritrea as a state or nation (forgive me amde if I have misrepresented your view). Of course, everything is reversed when it comes to Eritrea (please note this is a general opinion and not targeting AH). It’s OK to talk of Ethiopia’s state in a normal manner, but not Eritrea. When you speak of Eritrea, you should sound extremely lowly, you should not mention the state but the people; you should not sound patriotic but a turncoat or a renegade, and you should act very graciously towards Ethiopia.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Abrabam,

            You asked me what I was struggling for. Then shouldn’ t I need to explain the nature of ghedli and how it brought the nature of the Current governance? I told you our struggle was the struggle of thr Eritrean peopleMy answer was straight to the heart of your question that in fact what Amde has Stated can be explained by the organization that runs the state of Eritrea.

            Look Abraham Your dream as an individual independent citizen and as a member of organized Party is different. And you should know that if you want to exercise politics.
            Amde ‘s statement is a universal modus operande how states and governments act and behave to satisfy their interest, and it isn ‘t necessary to the interest of the public.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Amde,
            L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, is believed to have said ‘the easiest way to make money is to start a religion’ which, looking at the nearly a billion assets it currently owns he was right. So, how how does one become the head of country and appointment his minions to rub shoulders with world dignitaries? One makes a case for a new country.:)

          • Amde

            Haha Yoty Topy,

            Well nationalism’s fervor must reside close to that spot in the brain where the religious fervor does as well. Don’t let Saay hear this, but he has consistently been telling us Eritrea is a project of a small group of elites.

            Amde
            PS . I recently had the opportunity to drive past the Scientology ranch about an hour outside LA. That is the site where they have the slave labor of people who sign up for those 1,000,000 year contracts. It was disconcerting to drive down a road where on the right there is this magical fairytale type compound, and on the left are row upon row of what look like dormitories. Behind these dormitories is a pretty steep mountain. I said it would be nice to climb up and look at the valley below. I was warned the whole way was full of venomous snakes. L Ron was definitely on to something.

          • Yoty Topy

            Amde,
            It is not only Eritrea nationalism but all these other ones including Oromo, Ogaden, Somali and these days I even read about a movement to establish a Benishangul nation. The selfish desire to be unique is so incredible when we know that the greatest experiment of governance was built on compromise.

            I would definitely relate to your eerie feeling experience when coming in close physical proximity with an entity of Scientology, I don’t blame you brother. Because, judging from what I saw on the HBO’s documentary ‘going clear’, it is some messed up stuff man. It just makes you wonder if that could happen to you too as well. Of course everyone from the outside would tell you naah, but I am sure the people who are victims Including the high-ranking members who were forced to clean toilets with a toothbrush also thought of themselves as highly independent and strong minded persons too. That’s what really freaks me out. For all the things that I believe I am, would I be any different than any of them?

          • Amde

            Selam YotyTopy,

            Indeed. Would you agree with me that nature rewards agglomeration (being larger)? From the components of cells to large complex organisms appears to be the general direction. Similarly, the organizations that seem to last (commercial, political, “states”) are those that grow (in size and even complexity), so it may not be too much of a stretch to say similar laws may be at work behind social structures too. And growth is via mechanisms of co-operation that in the end provide a net positive even if you take into account the cost of the overhead needed to run the “co-operation mechanism”. This follows up with the discussion we had a little while ago on homogeneity and heterogeneity. Nature relentlessly pushes heterogeneity and co-operation.

            I would like to think that Nationalist movements are manifestations of social heterogeneity hopefully providing pressure to make the co-operation component work better. The reality is somewhat different of course. It is difficult to tell where demand for a redress of grievance starts and pure ambition begins.

            The record of new states split off in the past 20 odd years is mixed. The former Yugoslav countries have some peace because NATO is there, and the individual units are integrating into the EU anyway. South Sudan and Eritrea are well known. East Timor split off from Indonesia, and had to get UN peacekeepers back in to get stability. It is called the most oil dependent economy in the world by the IMF – what it will be like with chronic low oil prices who knows. I expect it to plug back into the Indonesian systems (economic, political etc).

            If you step back and look at it, the main lesson appears to be that, setting up a separate state is not necessarily the optimum solution to a set of demands a population has. That is the big lesson if you subscribe to the saying the plural of anecdote is (even if imperfect) still data. Politicians want to have people vest into these projects via sheer emotional appeals, and unfortunately that seems to be what most Nationalist movements seem to be doing.

            I know this sounds so strange to say, but I am at a point in my life now that I respect the lowly bureaucrat more than a demagogic politician. The bureaucrat makes society run. Most of the time, the politician ends up being a costly distraction.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            You are special !

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Amde,

            ‘Would you agree with me that nature rewards agglomeration (being larger)?’

            Wasn’t it Aristotle who said, “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts?” Without a doubt brother as you have aptly put it ,size does play an important role in the health and longevity of systems. The advantage of shear size in the maintenance of systems is prevalent across all sort of structures including; economies of scales in markets, colonies or herds in the animal kingdom and empires and republics in international relations.
            No, you are right the record of nations that went their separate way isn’t something to gloat about . On the contrary, if you look at relationships that experienced marital strains but managed to workout their differences either through the ballet box (Quebec and Scotland) or by the barrel of a gun (Biafra, Nigeria), you would realize that in the long run they are now in a better position at the moment had they taken a different path.
            I couldn’t agree any more with you about the underappreciated role of the bureaucrat as a grease that keeps the wheels of government in motion. I suspect this sentiment might have something to do with the current anti-government noises we are being bombarded.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Yoty Topy, Berhe Yeman, Amde, Mahmuday

            Indeed, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts”. That is philosophy. It is economic equivalent believes of economies of scale. A teacher prefers small classes to teach properly. A poor family doesn’t want more mouths to feed. Brazilian Favelas breed crime and destitution. Crowded Los Angeles highways would be better off with fewer cars, so will the environment to prevent pollution. Animals of prey would certainly love to be few so that they can get ample food. In short, it is not one-size-fits-all. But size only considerations might not be ideal in some cases. Taiwan is certainly better off. Bosnia is better off. If size comes with repression, it is not a solution. But think about it, it is not ignorance of the facts, but rather the mistrust and fear of the facts. What good is size if one doesn’t trust things will be better? That, I believe is what needs confidence building, change of ttitude, otherwise, it become “begzieou zneqewe zib’ee neyHdereni.” In conclusion, people are feeling and sentiments–and those cannot be objectively measured–and emotions. Once one deals with the subjective issues, the objective issue will be easier to handle. That is because we are humans, not inanimate objects. Because objectively speaking, there is no reason for someone to give his life for a cause. Objectively speaking, why would one dies protecting his wife and daughters from a raper? It’s dignity and it cannot be measured in economies of scale or total sums, or any capitalist, greedy, and selfish yardstick 🙂 In such cases people who consider their dignity vital to they life and happiness, do give a damn about economies of scale or size. They are on a perpetual pursuit of a dignified life, and Freedom! No formulas to gauge the value of those stuff (for lack of a better word) that cannot be measured.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Yoty Topy and Amde,

            Enjoyed your discussion here. I am curious as why a lot times people (as both of you did here) distinctively bring the failure of nations that went independent in the past 20 years or so….(we have plenty of nations especially in Africa that have been independent for much longer time and still are doing hardly better….). Just wondering what are you trying to imply by specifically mentioning that newer countries are not doing good….

            Thanks,

            FS.

          • Abi

            Hi Fnote Selam
            They are saying ” unity is strength “. It applies to both new or old countries. The only thing that survive and thrive by dividing is amoeba.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Abi,

            You made a fair point. But, I am afraid, I am not convinced that is the reason the failure of the newer states is distinctively highlighted here or somewhere else….

            FS.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi FS and Abi,

            I think people have wrong understanding (including me) in what went wrong in that unity. It’s not that Eritreans were rejecting just for the sake of it. I think Ethiopia had no intention to honor the federation in the first place, it just went ahead as a means to an end game of total control.

            I was reading this article based on the interview of three top American diplomats who have close contact with the emperor.

            With regards to Eritrea, here is what they say:

            “A pesky insurgency was festering in Eritrea. The common wisdom in Addis Ababa was that the insurgency was not going to amount to very much, because how were the Eritrean guerillas going to stand up to the Imperial Army? The rebellion did not have to happen. Haile Selassie made a strategic miscalculation.

            Haile Selassie wanted complete amalgamation, but he saw that proposal was not going to fly. He was absolutely opposed to independence, so he accepted federation. In 1951, the Federation came into being. From the beginning, the Emperor and the Ethiopians, with the support of some influential Eritreans, set about to destroy the Federation.

            The means were classic: threats, intimidation, bribery, flattery, loans, gifts, assassinations, marriages, awards, etc. By 1961, Haile Selassie had the Eritrean Parliament under his control. He gave the signal and the Eritrean Parliament voted to abolish the Federation and join “Motherland Ethiopia”. The rebellion began a few months later.”.

            You can read the whole article :

            The Last Emperor – The Fall of Haile Selassie

            http://adst.org/2015/10/the-last-emperor-the-fall-of-haile-selassie/?fdx_switcher=true

            And I hope there a lesson to the current and future Ethiopian leaders, that there is better way.

            I personally think his son had better idea to transform Ethiopia to constitutional monarchy, and in stead of taking away ERITREAN parilament, it would gave better elevate the rest.

            But I can’t help but notice that our own emperor copied and perfected the emperor and total control of power.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            In Amharic we say, ” tishalin fetche tibisin agebahu.”

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I am sure Ethiopians were saying that during the reign of the DERG, but something better come. Our better days are ahead.

            There was a story that I heard I can relate to the article. When we Eritreans setup our first government in 1952, after truly exercised democratic election, those 4 years that followed were our best years. The government and the ministry started to work and established a truly vibrant economic conditions and many investors come invested.

            Nyala hotel, the biggest hotel was build during that time. The story goes when Haile Slassie come to any open it, he scolded those responsible and told them none like should be build. As a result people like Haregot Abay and Tesfaganis Berhe chose to build in Addis?

            I wonder what they call those buildings, glad to know at least we still kept the name.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hi Berhe
            That kind of story is straight from ELF propaganda book used effectively by the mass mobilizers. The truth is eritreans were the undisputed 1% in ethiopia.
            We must be bored to death to talk about this at this day and age. As you said the future is brighter.
            It is weekend we have better things to do like watching soccer.
            Liverpool VS Chelsea
            Don’t miss it.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Fnote Selam,
            I am glad to hear that the topic clipped your attention. We were mostly discussing pre and post performances of nations that went their separate ways . The time frame of our topic mainly has to do with the fact that many of the new nations came to existence after the end of the cold war. If you look back, the only new nations I can recall after WW2 of the top of my head are Singapore in the early 60s and Bangladesh in the early 70s.
            I do agree with you that there are some African countries that have held well especially Tanzania, which was in a similar situation to Ethiopia.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Amde,

            I think my comment ‘wiha belaw.. ‘

            Anyway, I couldn’t agree anymore with you.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            I think you have a valid point, but I also think that if we think hard and want to good for our people, who ever the next leader will be, Eritrea has lots of options NOT only survive but thrive. Albert Einstein said, “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”

            Beside the obvois, Ethiopia use of Port argument, I think both countries are destined together and live side by side. Craving Eritrean land/ or water is not necessary the best solution, beside the actual fact on the ground there will be bigger issue that can arise and I think it’s best if the boarders are left alone, and they will be just symbolic but insignificant of their actual presense. God has provided us, land and water that complement each other but not compete.

            Below is what I wrote responding to Abi I think, I don’t remember the topic but with regards to similiar topic and how both countries and people can benefit if they live in peace, respect each other and work together, all is possible.

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            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/awate/sudan_al_bashir_wins_election_as_expected/#comment-1997760921

            Dear Abi,

            Hope is not all lost. If we have ended up with a good leader and that of a good government, Eritrea would have a lot more going for it. If Eritreans dream about making their country like that of Singapore, as long as it’s not at the expense of others, like it’s neighbours Sudan, Ethiopia, Djibouti but instead of hard work and respecting others, I think it’s good for Eritrea and it would have been good for the neighbours. It’s all possilbe, it just requires a committed leader and government.

            In the 90s economist were talking about the Tigers (S. Korea, Taiwan etc), in the 2000s they were talking about the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) and now the are talking about PINS (Philipines, Indonesia, Nigeria and Ethiopia). What did Ethiopia have today that it didn’t have 30 years, or 50 years ago. It’s not like it discovered Diamond, Oil or Gold (although it might in the near future). Basically it got better government which is committed to fight poverty and making a priority, this I think needs to be credited to the late PMMZ. As an Eritrean, I personally and I am sure many others like the success story of Ethiopia and I can tell you, I hope they continue to do well. Because a well off Ethiopia in short or long term, is better for Eritrea.

            So what good is going for Eritrea.

            I know a lot of Eritreans and Ethiopias think, Ethiopia use of Eritrea’s ports would be the ONLY viable economic means for Eritrea. This may be true to some degree, and Ethiopia has proven (for all those Eritreans who think the same), it’s able to grow and progress with out using Eritrea’s ports. So a lesson for us Eritreans is, the longer we don’t make a peace deal with Ethiopia, the more they forget about us and our ports and they become invaluable to them, and they continue to develop other means, such as Kenaya, Somalia beside Djibouti.

            You see, you focus too much on the government of Isayas Afeworki and his cronies but Eritrea has a lot going for it.

            For example Tourism:
            Look around the coast Red Sea. Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Kenya…. On the other side you have Israel, Soudi Arabia, Yemen… I have not been to all those coutries, but I think the beauty of Eritrean high lands (e.g. Asmara) and the beauty of Massawa and waters are a match made in heaven. And NOT to mention the peace loving, Eritrean people. I challenge you, if you are an Ethiopian who want to go to honey moon, a more suitable place to visit and go on vacation in the region. You go to Europe good luck if you can find a visa, you go to the middle east, you will be treated second class citizens.

            Partnering with Ethiopian Airlines, I think it doesn’t take too long to change Eritrea to a tourist heaven, the same as those in Southern Europe and Mediterranean popular toursit destination.

            Not ONLY for Ethiopias but I think for the entire African Continent, since Ethiopia Airline is connected, it will just be another return flight. Off course this will open business opportuntiy for a lot Eritreans and a lot of Ethiopians as well, if they wish who can come, work and invest in Eritrea.

            For those Ethiopians that are getting rich, we wanted them to come and invest in Eritrea, open resorts, hotel etc..Sorry KS, Bahir Dar is no match 🙁

            We don’t have enough water and power. And Ethiopia has plenty (in the near future) and it can export to Eritrea and make the resourts in Massawa air conditioned, and 5 star class.

            This is just ONE example and I am sure if we look hard enough, there are many, many more opportunities. I do NOT see our economies and our countries rivary and in computition (except on sports, we will kick your a…) but rather complement each other in a lot of ways.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Berhe Y
            Your view is sound and rational. It envisions a state of relationship beyond the present brouhaha. It calls for visionary leaders. But first we have a business to finish. Without witnessing Ethiopia’s good will on finalizing the conflict per the agreement it had signed, we can’t really contemplate about an ideal world. We have what we have. And that is a neighbor that had bled us for a century, and finally walked away from and agreement it had signed. With the present attitude, there is no hope that any treaty will be honored. Therefore, all talks of idealism need to be preceded with practical steps built on form international law, and gradual normalization.
            The poit and I will repeat it for Ammde, Eritreans did not bleed that much to end up contemplating if they could make it without Ethiopia. Eritrea is independent, its ports would have thrived without Ethiopia had the Eritrean government pursued policies that encourage economic activities. Eritreans have learned a lesson. I believe any government that comes will pursue maritime policies that make the ports free, if Ethiopians want to do business, we will be happy to make our ports attractive to them. If they want to use their bulky size as pressure, our answer should be “No, thank you.” There are many alternative customers.
            Just to make it clear, I have tried your gentle approach of people to people communication, frankly, it has been frustrated. The individuals who come over here have no interest of mutual interest. We have fought to be independent, and will remain independent, no joke about that. That includes political and economic independence. Only two independent countries engage on mutually benefiting economic relations.

          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            When you say “mutually benefitting economic relations”, how do you envision it? What is there for Ethiopia and Eritrea to gain or lose in this economic relationship? As you can see, this
            is a good example of the game theory? If both sides are going to stick to their positions and bluff, waiting for the other side to give in, do you think that there will ever be a solution? If there is no give-and-take phenomenon, will there ever be a win-win solution, but a lopsided one, where one of the two parties wins all, and the other loses everything? Doesn’t it seem to you that this is a Gordian knot, nobody is ready to solve, and it is better left as it is, until the
            problem itself finds its own solution, because unfortunately, this is the modus operandi of third world countries?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Horizon
            I really like this sort of conversation. I will tell you, as long as both governments have total control over public opinion, we are far from realizing that.
            However, there is a chance, even if slim, that we will overcome this stalemate even while both governments are in power.
            The first step is that both governments realize that the business of toppling the other is bankrupt. No Eritrean will tolerate a government imposed upon them by Ethiopia, nor do I expect any Ethiopian to be receptive to forces that make their bases in Eritrea. Therefore, if both government reach a point where they realize that the internal affair of the other side is its own business and strictly focus on formal issues, I think there is a chance at some point both will talk. So far, it has been the expectation of Ethiopia that Eritrea would implode. And Eritrea has so far given up on EPRDF, instead, it entertained the idea of causing Ethiopians to rise up against it. That has not worked. If you add to that a twist by our man to engage the international community , I think both sides could be coaxed into a win-win situation. What is the win-win situation? Well, it could mean Ethiopian implementation of the border ruling, normalization, Ethiopian access to sea without any harassment as per under international law, it could be a lease or any other arrangements. Believe me, once both countries chill out and both peoples see the benefit the rest will be history. All we need is a war museum in Asmara and Adwa/meqele or addis. So that future generations never repeat it again and war is made history. What Eritreans will not accept is the sort of condescending attitude.

          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            I have no reason to disagree with you on the political side of the Ethio-Eri relations (no
            condescending attitude and no meddling in the internal affairs of both countries).

            My beef on the economic side of the future Ethio-Eri relationship lies in my belief that it is
            lopsided, taking into consideration only the Eritrean side of the equation and paying no attention to the Ethiopian side. What most Eris see as future relationship (economic relation-integration) between the two countries is cemented on the following points:

            a) Ethiopia implements the border ruling and leaves badme,
            b) Ethiopia uses Assab and pays rent,
            c) Ethiopia opens her big market for Eritrean businesses,
            d) Eritrean goods are imported to Ethiopia exempted of tariffs, so that they would be able to compete in the Ethiopian market with Ethiopian products,
            e) Eritrea gets access to cheap Ethiopian resources and manpower,
            f) Eritreans may expect in the long run the circulation of the Nakfa in Ethiopia on par the Birr,
            g) No political cooperation, much more no political integration, etc.

            Therefore, no wonder Ethios are asking themselves, what is there for Ethiopia in this relationship; and they see nothing? Is it possible to compare the market of 5m to that of 100m? Is there a reason to choose Assab than Djibouti, if Ethiopia is to rent it anyway? You see there are many questions Ethiopians can ask, and equally many reasons why they are put off by this relationship. Unfortunately, twenty five years after the independence of Eritrea, nothing seems to have change and the gap remains wide open as much as ethio-eri relationship is concerned.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I will try to respond what I think. First though I think it will require and it would help that we are open minded and that we have to take things at face value and do not make unduly assumptions.

            So if the Ethiopian government and that some Ethiopians are talking about the current PFDJ government / Isayas Afeworki and hard core supporters, I think I agree with you the points you making are valid. So therefore, being devil’s advocate, if I was representative of the Ethiopian government, I wouldn’t make a deal with Isayas and his governments either. I think he believes he is smartest person in the whole universe and that he can outsmart the entire world, let alone just Ethiopia. Dealing with Eritreans, he seems he has managed to do it for 50 years and he will continue to do until his death. I see no hope for us Eritreans, that anything positive, good will EVER come as long as this person is in power.

            So anything that I suggest or write, is having a different government in mind. A government that is at peace with itself, with its people and respects its neighbours and wants to better the lives of its people and respect the lives of all human beings.

            Because you raised a lot of points, I think it’s best I will try to attempt to answer point by point, just under each.

            To be honest, the answer is quite simple, if both countries negotiate in good faith. We just have to look at how free trade is conducted in other countries and we will just need to modify/ make adjustments to fit our case. I live in Canada and Canada and the US have free trade agreements.
            So here is how they deal the issue you have raised….

            a) Ethiopia implements the border ruling and leaves badme,

            a) This is a court ruling and Ethiopia needs to come to terms with it and it needs to accept the ruling. If I look at from Eritrea interest point of view, I think negotiating the boarder
            (as it’s part of the agreement if both parties chose to) will also have benefit
            Eritrea (if we take out the emotions out of the picture). Anyway when we are talking about bigger deal, the issue Badime become insignificant compared to other opportunities peace
            will bring to the Eritrean people.

            b) This particular case will have to be worked out, so that it compel Ethiopia to choose our ports compared to other in the neighborhood (free access may be the way to go, considering other benefit it will bring). I think Eritrea / Ethiopia should also be mindful that they don’t ruin the economy / lively hood of Djibouti as well, so some balance is important I think.

            c) I think Eritreans should be treated like any other foreign investors Ethiopia is trying to attract. Because may be Eritrea is providing special services (like port), they may be treated like Ethiopian investors compared to others (as an incentive). As long as Eritreans follow the low, I don’t know why would an Ethiopian really care if the investor is Eritrean, Chinese or Indian.

            d) Generally speaking when we look at free trade, exemption of tariff is the incentive. Without
            having a lot of details, I think Ethiopians goods can have the same access (if that’s desired by both parties) in Eritrea and they can compete in Eritrean market. Eritrea has been closed for such a long time, I think at this point, I would say Ethiopians would have advantage over.

            e) Like any other investor who is willing to invest in Ethiopia. Again, why do we really care if the investor is Eritrea as long as he follows the rules, the labour laws, etc..

            f) I think Ethiopian banks and Ethiopian government officials are more than capable to determine what’s best for them. Personally speaking, I don’t think it’s good idea to put any hard value. I would say, let the market dictate its value and based on that, let the correct exchange rates develop. For example, the same way Ethiopia deals with Kenya or Sudan if it needs to be on hard currency, then let it be if that make sense. Again, negotiation needs to happen with good faith and that nobody is trying to take advantage of any body. Again, there may be some trade imbalances but with time, hopefully it will even out. For example, Eritrea may benefit on truism but Ethiopia will benefit with exports etc…

            g) I think it’s best if each country stays out of the other political process. As far as integration I
            think it’s a long shot, let’s start slowly…let’s have peaceful existence for a long, long time before we talk about integration. Not that there is anything wrong with it but we have a very bad experience last time we tried…and wounds need to heal first before we jump and start on another adventure, where the possibilities of igniting the fire are ripe. Like Canada / US, we have boarders but they mean nothing, both people are free to cross, free to trade, free to setup business. There are some limits that prevent one from another as they see fit.

            I think there is a lot for Ethiopia, I gave you an example of tourism. So what if Ethiopian business or Ethiopia airlines build resorts in Massawa/ Dahlak, thus creating jobs for Eritreans, bringing tourists etc.. and in return, Ethiopian airlines sells all inclusive vacation packages for Ethiopians as well as other Africans etc… thus grow its business, like for example Egypt air, instead of focusing only on people/ goods ? Off course one has to add the numbers and make a business case but what’s wrong with that…could be Ethiopia/Eritrea combination
            package….Should Eritrea be worried that an Ethiopian investor / or Ethiopian entity build resorts in Massawa. I don’t think it should for the same reason if an Italian, a Saudi or whoever wants to invest in Eritrea and create jobs, as long as follows the rules of the country.

            This is valid point, but I will go back again to the first point that I made. If you see Isayas/
            PFDJ and the gangs that support the system.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y,
            You completed the job. I was waiting to read such view which is practical. I am sure most of the questions of Horizon are answered. if there are things to be cleared still will be above that PFDJ thing. no question of relation between those two nations can be answered while PFDJ is on power. PFDJ’s present don’t make the nation a nation as complete leave alone to think of other relation. it is only when there is legal government known and written agreed legal system by it’s people that we can start to work with others.

            Dear Horizon,
            if someone has tried to answer your question, that things will come to normal while PFDJ is in power, you can just ignore it as that is just nonsense. In fact even in coming Eritrea if there will be a single virus in side the active government, Eritrea will not have peace live alone with others. That is the reason you witness people are against any sort of repair and reform.

          • Dear Berhe Y.,

            The current Eritrean government came in to our discussion, because it was mentioned that
            the Ethiopian government has a policy to destabilize it. Otherwise, the possibility of doing business with this regime is next to impossible. There are some people who think that all it takes on the regime’s side is as simple as changing its policy towards Ethiopia, which I believe is out of the question during its lifetime.

            True, any sort of future cooperation between the two countries requires the existence of a
            government at peace with its own people and the peoples of the whole region. But, what are the chances that tomorrow’s government that replaces DIA and the PFDJ will have a different policy towards Ethiopia, as long as, although, many Eritreans may disagree with IA’s internal policy, nevertheless, they do not do so with his external policy, which means that political cooperation (and not necessarily political integration) is a prerequisite for any rapprochement, be it economic, people-to-people relations or otherwise. Let’s have a positive viewpoint and hope for a different, peaceful and democratic government, which
            has in mind the wellbeing of the people and is ready for cooperation.

            Free trade that cancels tariffs between two economies that are different in size is more
            advantages for the one that trades with the bigger economy and bigger market. The US is compensated by participating in many free trade areas as well, such as Latin American countries etc. Moreover, the US and Canada are two economic giants. Imagine the amount of goods Ethiopia could export to the small market in Eritrea, and the other way round.

            What is meant by a free access to the sea of a landlocked country, I cannot say, because I do not know the laws that define this issue. How does it differ from access through the port of Djibouti? Are their laws that protect a landlocked country from economic and political blackmail, putting in danger its security in the so called free access? Some people see free access as the exemption of taxation of foreign goods that pass through their port. As long as they are paid for port services, trying to tax goods that pass through their ports as if the goods are going to end up in their own market is exploitation in simple terms.

            I think that even today any Eritrean can invest in Ethiopia as any other foreign national, provided they function within the limits of the law. On the contrary, I do not see any
            reason for special treatment of Eritrean investors, as long as the relationship between the two countries does not differ from that of any other country.

            As much as trade between the two countries is concerned, it should not be in any other currency but hard currency. It is better that the Nakfa/Birr thing is forgotten at least at the beginning, because it points to a greater degree of cooperation, especially political and not economic alone.

            Finally, although I do not know much about tourism in Eritrea, the nascent Ethiopian tourism
            industry is trying to attract international tourists (about 700K last year, if I am not mistaken), and I think that it is a field that can be developed with no complications, especially with the help of EAL, as long as the will is there. I think that Kenya and Ethiopia are trying to join forces and cooperate on tourism. Both countries have a lot to provide, Kenya has better organized wild life population and Ethiopia has ancient history, which they can combine to attract more tourists.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I think for the most part, I sense that we agree, what we do not agree (we seem we don’t) is because we are not experts in the field. The minimum requirements is that we need to negotiate in good faith and we do not try to undermine each other. I gave you Canada and US as an example, because (although Canada is big market) but compared to the US it’s still 10 times less in economy, population etc…But they have managed to be able to work their difference, the do have difference from time to time but they resolve it peacefully and in rare circumstance by going to courts…(it’s normal to disagree on things you don’t agree) as long as there is a mechanism to resolve it.

            I am not saying Eritreans should be given any specially circumstance but I am just suggesting it could be an incentive, call it good will I don’t really know. For example, Ethiopia sells bond for the Renaissance dam to only Ethiopians…could it extended to Eritreans too…..I don’t know, Ethiopia when it made that policy it has to figure out the RISK of doing so and also the benefit of it if it does so. To me I don’t think Eritreans abroad who want to invest in this would cause any RISK than ordinary Ethiopians…but again, that’s for Ethiopia to decide if it see there is benefit to it.

            We are talking technicality here and with good will and the right people, I am sure it can be sorted out. Why is that, if you think for Ethiopia to do business with Kenya, the Sudan, South Sudan, Djibouti, it’s hard to think to do business with Eritrea. I gave you the tourism as an example, and I think what you said about Kenya and Ethiopia attraction is valid. What I think for Eritrea was resort destinations (like in Cuba, Dominican republic, or Bahamas) where millions of Africans, from middle east and Europe, where people spend their honeymoon. I personally think it’s a very good investment opportunity, since Eritrea has one of the best sand beaches as well as best weather in the high lands with spectacular mountains….One week or 10 days between Asmara, Keren, Massawa and Dahlak islands are worth everyone penny..in my opinion.

            Is there such alternative for that many people in that part of the world? Again it needs to be sorted our…but I think it’s worth the consideration. Should Ethiopians want to participate, they are welcome to do so…that’s what I am trying to get at.

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Selam Berhe,

            That was a good response. But it doesn’t get at the core issue. Horizon has stated a number of very good points. The gist of it is that Ethiopia’s primary interest is security. The economic synergies are well understood, and from Ethiopia’s point of view right now it is not so compelling. If you look at the serious resources Ethiopia is spending on the infrastructure to connect the Djibouti ports to the Ethiopian markets, it is obvious that this poor country has decided that for the foreseeable future, economic integration with Eritrea is not on the agenda. As far as I can make out, the Ethiopian actions seem to be maintaining a balance where the Issayas regime doesn’t fall apart taking the Eritrean state with it, while on the other hand denying it the means and opportunity to partake in military adventures.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            I have taken some time to respond to Horizon. The point that I would like to emphasis is that, what ever argument one is making, it needs to be seen from post Isayas.

            At the same time, I don’t think based on Eritrea current experience, Ethiopians need to make the assumption that Eritrea will remain as such and it has no option for growth unless Ethiopia opens its market. Taiwan didn’t collapse because it wasn’t trading with China, it found it’s own means. I am sure Eritrea will do the same, although it’s preferred that it trades with Ethiopia, as it’s immediate neighbor as well as it’s other neighbors.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,
            I love your arguments. Really, Taiwan is a good example.

          • Ted

            Hi Eyob, “It just can’t.” is strong word but strangely usual from from Ethiopian side. It feels you need a bottle with a red ink to smash on the tarmac;-)When you say “It just can’t.” do you mean you can’t afford paying djibouti or do you mean djibouti is not reliable or WHY buy a milk when you have a whole cow.( Abi- want some milk;-) “It just cant” is a bit too late after the late great leader of Ethiopia MZ have done and said. Luckily the good people of Ethiopia are coming to their senses and it shouldn’t worry you at all if you can swallow your pride the port fee with us won’t cost you your arm and legs.

          • Hope

            Dear VF:
            Your Statement about Eritrea not being able to survive without Ethiopia reminded me the Litany that the Successive Ethiopian Regimes, including the TPLF,saying that Eritrea cannot survive as a Nation!
            So dumb and beyond irritating and insulting,to say the least!
            You have the right to have to be what you want ,including seeking for an Ethipian Citizenship!
            Read history man!
            Where was Ethiopia from 1890 to 1952?
            Just PFDJ and its Head is messing up Eritrea and ERITREANS temporarily does not mean that Eritrea and ERITREANS cannot survive as a Nation and as a People!
            BTW,the School of UG is closed for good and has filed for Bankruptcy,FYI’
            If Erotrea and Erotreans are left alone,it /they will be beyond your imaginary Nation and People!
            The whole purpose and AGENDA of the CIA and its Puppet Weyane messing up Eritrea and Eritreans has been to make us believe this kind of perception you and the TPLF Agents are regurgitating!
            But too late!
            Eritrea and ERITREANS will shine up like a Morning Star and will be a better Switzerland and a better Singapore of the World,not just that of Aftica!
            Even a Better Israel of Africa!
            It is a matter of time!

          • Fnote Selam

            VF,

            Your comment actually makes think you are unto something….keep going. If I may give some advice, please stay clear of hyperbolic words and phrases, and also avoid reductio ad absurdum arguments like the one in your last paragraph.

            Best,

            FS.

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