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Eritrea: Choosing Love, Hope Over Hate, Fear

The events at Aldia Islamic School, the address of its Chairman of the Board Mr. Mussa Mohammed Nur; his arrest on October 27, the October 31 demonstrations that followed it and the series of cellphone videos that were shared with the world (this, and this) the arrest of the demonstrators, followed by cordoning off neighborhoods and rounding up and torturing hundreds of Eritreans including minors with the State unmasking to reveal itself for the Police State it is; the diverse Diaspora Eritrean demonstrations against the arrest of the demonstrators (for example: London in front of Eritrean embassy) have made late October and early November 2017 unseasonal months.

Since all of these events have been covered–and protested–more than adequately by freedom-loving Diaspora Eritreans and lied about by pro-government Eritreans, I won’t rehash them. Since the government and its supporters have been playing their only card–the one they played after the Forto Uprising-of 2013–that all revolts against them are by “Islamists” and/or agents of Ethiopia, CIA and now Qatar–I will attempt to shed light on Mr. Mussa Mohammed Nur, now ghettoized as “aboy Hajji”; Sheria As Practiced In Eritrea Even In The Reign Of PFDJ, for those who get their knowledge about Sheria from Fox News; what does the law, the 2015 Civil Code, say about the rights of religious institutions like Diaa school; and what exactly is the fuel of our struggle against and for empowering the PFDJ.

Mr Mussa Mohammed Nur

Let’s try prefixing the man who is at the center of the latest uprising.  Bitsay Mussa Mohammed Nur.  Sounds reassuring, huh?   Aboy Mussa Mohammed Nur.  Sounds innocuous.   Sheikh Mussa Mohammed Nur.  A bit scary.  Hajji Mussa Mohammed Nur. A jihadist, right there.  It is in his name.

At the risk of offending all of you who already know this, I am going to have to address  those who don’t have basic info: hajji is an honorific given to anyone who has made the pilgrimage to Mecca, a requirement on all Muslims who can afford it. That’s it.  It doesn’t say the person has religious expertise; it does say the person takes his or hers (Hajjia for female) religion seriously.

There is this false choice the Eritrean government and its supporters and some atheist fundamentalists present: you either prioritize religion over state or state over religion. They reduce identity to some hierarchy, forgetting its overlapping nature.  A Hajji can be a patriot, as is the case here.  A patriot who takes his religion AND civil liberties very seriously, as is the case with Mr. Mussa Mohammed Nur.

Bayan Negash has written a stylized biography of Abona Mussa Mohammed Nur. I would add here that he, along with Sheik Saleh (Imam of Mesjid Sheikh Abdulkader), Said Ahmed Mohammed Hashem (later auditor-in-chief with ELF), Mulugetta Seyoum (brother of famed footballer), were some of the founders of the 5-person-cell of the ELF shortly after the demise of ELM.  This was an operational cell that facilitated many of the Fedayeen operations of the ELF, which were critical in gaining popular acceptance for the front among all Eritreans.  The reason he seemed unfazed by prison or death (there is no man who won’t get jailed and die in defense of his religion and creed, and we are called for to die. When a man is born, a man is dead) is because his first arrest was in 1967 and he was in and out of jail since then.  “When I was first arrested in 1967,” narrates a much younger prison mate I interviewed for this article, “he visited us and said, ‘the beatings only last 3 days; endure them and say nothing: because if you talk, they will only get worse for you.'”   This man should be spending his remaining days speaking with historians like Alemseghed Tesfai to fill in their gaps, and not in prison.  And then, some psychiatrist, should explain what is it about the Eritrean regime that makes it go after 80 and 90 year old men: is there any other government in the world that arrests people that age?

Sheria 101: How It Is Practiced In Eritrea

Long before its creation as a State, the land we now call Eritrea had been a multi-cultural, multi-faith place.  The harmonious relationship we rightfully take great pride in didn’t happen by accident: it was cultivated by people who understood that tolerance and co-existence mean you respect the values of those who are not like you even if you don’t agree with them.

This means that in Muslim Eritrea, Sheria (the Islamic path) was always there.   Now before people get all terrified about the Sheria they heard from Fox News (chopping heads, tier of citizenship, compulsory observation of Islamic rituals) let me assure them that (a) it applied only to Muslims and (b) it applied only in civil cases and not criminal cases.  This is very, very common in any country that has a substantial Muslim population.

Back when Asmara University was called Santa Familia, its law studies included a course called “Eritrean Sheria Law” which was taught by Dr. Nurhussein Aberra.   There were Sheria courts all over Eritrea, with Sheria Appeals Court in Asmara.  Still are.

Its precise application was to:  marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody.  I shouldn’t refer to them in the past tense: they exist to this day.  And the State–which has communal courts, zonal courts, appeals courts, and a supreme court (in theory)– is very happy to yield this to them because, with the exception of marriage (brief and happy) all the rest deal with disputes (long and miserable.)  States with limited capacities would rather focus their resources on meaningful issues rather than on who is the rightful owner of a tiny room which was owned by an old man with 7 children.

Sheria courts and the Sheria system has always been voluntary.  There was then, and there is now, a mechanism for someone–most likely a woman–to opt out and demand the case be heard in a civil court.  There was then, and there is now, social ostracization for doing that.

I say all of this because some people were shocked when they heard Mr. Mussa Mohammed Nur say “We are Muslims; we follow our interpretation of what concerns us, Sheria [Islamic canonical law] and that is what directs us and we will change nothing.”  They heard him saying “I won’t obey your secular law!” when he was saying, “until you tell me how my organization’s bylaws which are based on Sheria violate State law, I will follow it.”

There are cases where the Islamic law and State law may be in direct conflict, in which case State law supersedes.   For example: bigamy is allowed (tolerated) in Islam under rare conditions; in Eritrea, there is a 2015 law that forbids bigamy under penalty of prison term and a fine.  Did you hear a bunch of Muslims screaming “religious violation!”? Did they go to the streets and chant “Allahu Akber!”

How does the State and Mosque deal with marriage, divorce, inheritance, child custody and guardianship? In Eritrea, these are dealt with the Sheriah Court–a community court which is the default court for religious rituals and arbitration.

All of these are individual citizens or families interacting with the State.  Now what happens if it is larger than a family, say an ENTIRE community, as was the case in Aldiaa Islamic School in Akhria, Asmara?

Religious Institutions & Secular Law

When there is an overlap between State interest (education) and religious interest (perpetuation of values), who should have the upper hand?  The most authoritative accounting of what transpired in Eritrea on October 31–minors and their mothers demonstrating in Asmara and then getting arrested and beaten up for it–and the days preceding it–the arrest of Hajji Mussa Mohammed Nur–chronicles that after over a year of back-and-forth, the “Ministry of Education had given a direct order to the school administration” to make changes.

The question is: why now?  The school has been in operation for 50 years; Eritrea has been an independent State ruled by the same government for 26 years.  What changed?  Is the school producing radicalized students? There is no evidence for that.  Did the government just change its policy? If so, is there a new proclamation, new law, new regulation or new interpretation of the law?

In 2015, the Government of Eritrea issued four documents: civil code, civil procedures, penal code and penal procedures.  “Issued” as in published, with government officials giving conflicting answers to whether they are in effect or published in the Eritrean Gazette.

In his address, Mr Musa Mohammednur says:  “This being the case, because this school is ours, even now, whatever its shortcomings, [your] suggestions that are not compatible with our views will not have acceptance. And because we have full rights, there is nothing that should frighten or scare us.”  In other words, he is convinced that he is operating within the bounds of State law and his organization’s bylaws.   And in every meeting he has with government officials–Department of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Local Government–he is challenging them to produce proclamation or law that shows he is in violation of it.

The Civil Code of Eritrea, which speaks to this, was authored in 2015.  I should put authored in quotation marks because it inherits the superstructure of Ethiopia’s 1960 Civil Code and updates/modernizes it.  The new Civil Code has this to say about Aldiaa Islamic School and all the other religious schools (Enda Mariam, Cathedrale) that were given the direct order to align their curriculum, academic calendar, dress code and gender-mixing perfectly with the state curriculum, academic calendar and dress code:

Art. 354– Religious Institutions and Religious Communities.

Religious institutions and religious communities recognized by the State are legal persons and are governed by their own constitutions, insofar as this is not contrary to the law.

Art. 355. – Limitations.

Special legislation may determine the limits in the exercise of specific rights of personality by religious institutions and religious communities.

Art. 356. – Powers and Organs.

(1) The powers of the bodies referred to in the preceding articles as well as the organs which are authorized to represent such bodies shall be prescribed by administrative law.
(2) They may impose on such organs the observance of specified conditions or formalities for the exercise of certain rights.

After over one year of discussions, the State could not produce the “special legislation” that limits their rights. It could not show how their practice is contrary to the law. No statute, no administrative law, no proclamation. Nothing.

When they couldn’t win using law, they did the only thing they know: to use the coercive power of the State and in the process, they violated their own laws as enshrined in Article 13 (Freedom of thought), Article 14 (religious freedom) and Article 15 (Freedom of Action.) Of course, there is nothing new in this: as Eritrea’s prisons demonstrate, the only freedom the Government of Eritrea respects is Article 16: Right to Keep Silent. Unless you are in prison and they are torturing you, then that right will be superseded by your right to confess to crimes you didn’t commit and to ask for forgiveness.

The only thing that is new is that this time, young Eritreans and their mothers took to the streets. That those who are demonstrating are minors (under 18) and mothers is a reflection of Eritrea’s demographics: as adults and males are too busy plotting their next escape from the prison state to participate in demonstrations.

Hope or Fear

EPLF veterans demonstrated for better living standard.   Isaias Afwerki called it shameful and embarrassing then gave press conference…. then made the leaders of the demonstration disappear.   Disabled veterans who demonstrated for better care were dismissed as selfish and spoilt. And shot at and killed.   Its leaders were made to disappear.  We didn’t get outraged by this; we just shrugged. The government had to be given the benefit of doubt. The university students who demonstrated for their right not to be a a state property were dismissed as selfish and spoilt. Many still sided with the government: we had just come of of war with Ethiopia, they reasoned. Not the right time. The Akhria students who demonstrated are being painted as Muslim extremists (when the audience is Christian) and Jeberti only (when the audience is Muslim.) There are encouraging signs that people are not buying this: every demonstration has made two points: (a) this is not a religious issue but a civil liberty issue; (b) Eritrean Muslims and Christians will never be divided by anyone: not by extremists and certainly not by the ruling junta.

Where this is headed nobody knows. Despite the official position of the government that this is a non-story, the indications are that it is scared-to-death and has activated its entire national security apparatus. Our sleepy President is nowhere to be seen or heard from, as is his custom after every crisis– he is due for a show of nothing-to-see-here-everything-is-under-control any time now as a lollipop for the faithful. A government that arrests 93-year old men, and underage children has long lost its moral authority and legitimacy to govern. We have already established: it doesn’t have the legal authority to do what it is and has been doing.  The only question is: will Eritreans, in sufficient numbers, believe in their own power and summon their courage to do something about it? Or will they give in to their fear–fear of the unknown (aslam telailom, Sheria, Allahu Akber, etc etc), fear of the brutality of the government (disappearance, torture, reprisal) and exercise their Article 16?

All we can do is to refuse to exercise Article 16: speak up, speak for those who can’t.  Shout until you lose your voice.  Organize.  We also know that the government should no longer say it has 99.9% support amongst the people.  Mzungus: it was always a lie; but now we have a series of videotapes showing it is a lie.

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  • said

    Greeting,
    The Mugabe accession to power was carefully choreographed through the ’70s by the wily mandarins of the Foreign Office, culminating in the Lancaster House Conference.. The only genuinely free election ever held in the country took place under European rule in April 1979 when a black majority government took power under the leadership of Bishop Abel Muzorewa, only for Mrs. Thatcher to renege on her promise to recognize it. Taki’s Magazine.

    http://takimag.com/article/poor_robert_mugabe_hannes_wessels#axzz4ypEtLz5H

  • Yman M Omar

    Try to answer it without reaching for some imaginary microphone to address an imaginary cheering audience.:)

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, it seems freedom has finally arrived to Zimbabwe. Mugabe and wife Grace to be unseated officially tomorrow, Sunday.

    • Legacy

      Hi Abraham H,
      I doubt much will change for the people of Zimbabwe but needless to say good riddance !

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Legacy,

        I don’t believe a military coup in African countries will give way to democratic transition. It won’t be different than the hijacked popular Egyptian movement by the Egyptian military elites. A coup is a coup always. Like you, I have the same sentiment. The first Zimbabwean dictator is gone, let us watch how the event will unfold in front of our eyes.

        • Legacy

          Hi Amanuel Hidrat,
          Could not said it any better. To make matters worse there is also the tribal element to it which will continue to exacerbate this paralysis. There is 20% of the population (The Ndebele) who strongly feel that they have been underrepresented during the past four decades of Mugabe’s rules. There is also the issue of ‘depopulation’ which according to some stats I heard on the Public stations, 25% of Zimbabweans have been made to move somewhere else since the early 2000’s.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Legacy,

            The two points you raised are very important and could play considerable role in Zimbabwe’s post Mugabe politics. The clans and tribes of The Ndebele had constituted the organizational power base of Mr. Nkomo ZAPU party. Mr. Mugabe had the advantage of belonging to the majority clans and tribes in settling the question of power. Now that the political cards may mix up and reshuffling could open Pandora’s box of pent up animosities, it will take the degree of maturity and awareness of the elites to keep the situation calm and set on track to smooth transition. One way would be agreeing on some interim period of respite free from foreign interferences and moving to writing a constitution suitable for mending the past and charting the future.

          • Legacy

            Hi Ismail,

            The issue of rising ethnic nationalism which is making its waves across the globe is depressing. 60k Polish youths marching on the streets of Warsaw with a slogan “heil Hitler” is disturbing to say the least and that’s the kind of world Zimbabwe is being “born to.”

            I haven’t followed up how things are in Burkina Faso but I am hoping that best case scenario Zimbabwe will be met with the same destiny. . If the new man could just reverse the policies Mugabe undertook that precipitated these upheavals then they would get a breathing space.

            Baby steps.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Legacy,

            As far as the developed north is concerned the post fall of Berlin Wall 1989 neo-liberal world devouring economic order and its political adjunct seem to have run full course. The shrinking of the middle classes in favor of the narrow rich upper classes appear to be disillusioning the younger generation facing prospects of razor sharp competition. Moreover, the youth of new comer nations of East Europe have been finding the field of competition with their counterparts in older founding member countries in the western part of the Continent demanding. The example you have alluded to in Poland is an expression of this.

            As for Zimbabwe and other African countries that have similar political and economic situations, ethnicity within the retarded nation building frameworks is still potent and could pose as issues to reckon with. In Zimbabwe the liberation struggle factions were by and large based on ethnic configurations. Even within Dr. Mugabe’s own Zanu-PF the powerful elements hail from tribes and ethnic formations. Though Zimbabwe has achieved very high percentage of literacy, which perhaps is a single most notable success of ZANU-PF, could have played role in raising the awareness of the people, the danger that competition for power could trigger ethnic and tribal conflicts that can worsen the already fragile situation. Let us hope and pray for the Zimbabwean nation.

          • Legacy

            Hi Ismail,
            Appreciate the insight. We started as tribal societies and most likey we will reorganize ourselves along tribal lines come the next major conflict.

        • saay7

          Hey Emma:

          The Zimbabweans call it a “soft coup”.

          They are to their credit very much aware that what happened in Egypt could happen to them. They just want to enjoy one moment, one day, where the only president they have known and his corrupt family will leave them for good. They are telling AU, SADC: please leave us alone and let’s handle it because you weren’t here when we needed you as Mugabe destroyed our nation.

          It’s Saturday so some humor. Best sign I saw telling Grace (Mugabes wife) that she just can’t inherit the presidency:

          “Leadership is not sexually transmitted!”

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            I will not indulge myself to debate on “soft coup” and “hard coup” for it will pull us in to our historical debate about “democratic coup” and the “conventional coup”. How ever, I would like you to comment on the article of Prof Chimbgana and his assessment on the realities of Zimbabwe including the possible transitional choices he laid down for Zimbabwean people. Do you see any parallel to our realities if it similar reality happen in Eritrea in the near future. Check my response to Ismailo (Ismail AA).

            regards

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            I haven’t read the good professors article yet; hope to tomorrow

            With respect to Zimbabwe, I yield to Disc Donc with whom I happen to agree completely.

            No, the Zimbabwe “soft coup” is not what I have in mind with “democratic coup”. The difference is, with the Zimbabweans it’s just a palace coup, with one faction of Zanu-PF fighting another faction of Zanu-PF and then wanting to impeach Mugabe because he factionalized Zanu-PF. All their arguments are on the basis of ZANU bylaws. Our reformers on the other hand had a higher authority, the constitution, and not one of them (not the G-15, not the Forto, nor the many we don’t know about) argues from the authority of the PFDJ Charter but the constitution.

            I hope the EU, AU, and SADC shut the hell up on Zimbabwe. AU made the guy chair twice. EU (England) knighted him and then revoked it. And SADC called very rigged election he ran “free and fair.”

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Leadership is not…Haha:)
            Hi Saay,
            So let’s repeat the joke we posted a year ago to see it within a different reality.
            Reporter: when are you going to say goodbye to Zimbabweans?
            Mughabe: where are they going?
            [Now extended]
            Reporter: you are going, not they.
            ———–
            Mughabe thought of his permanent marriage to his people. And he thought they are both staying together in the same land forever. That is called permanence-in-dictatorship. IA took this concept one step higher. If one of them has to go, it is the people, certainly not him. He even has a place in his mind as to where the Eritrean people should go: the moon!

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat, it is beyond comprehension how some of these liberation struggle leaders feel they have a custoody and ownership of the people they help ‘liberate’. Eritrea’s situation is beyond any compare, as DIA acts and feels as if he owns the land, the people, and resources within the country, and it is either him or nothing.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Legacy, without knowing the details of their situation, I’m optimistic at least if they could form a transitional gov of national unity with the opposition, then holding free and fair elections. They are not starting from scratch, they had been experiencing some sort of political pluralism, though it was not fair enough. I hope also they fight the deep corruption and nepotism, in addition to attracting foreign investment and mending their relationship with the West.

        • Legacy

          Hi Abraham,
          I wish I was as optimistic as you are . What you alluded to “political pluralism” was merely a system of chronic nepotism and corruption that benefited the ranks and files of ZANU-PF members and their families. With nearly 25% of the population made to flee since the crisis started in the early 2000s and constant intruption of schools due to civil strife’s there is not enough educated middle class civil society that can take guardianship of this transition.

    • blink

      Dear Abraham
      That is great news , let’s that wind blow to Eritrea and open the PFDJ box. That is the one idea I have in mind.

  • said

    Greeting
    Semere .T and Ilk, clarification of sharia in Eritrean context .
    First, like most Eritrean I personally admire people of strong faith and conviction. For most Eritrean sharia was never an issue. All religions have laws. For some Eritrean sharia is used as a political football tools to score a goal and bring division , other are simply ignorant ,other than those who are in fringe extremists, who are in their DAN Islamophobic, for whom sharia is synonymous with violence, oppression, and intolerance . motivated by their Islamophobia. The anti-Muslim ideologues hate group like Agazian ,their hatred of Islam and Muslims or Islamophobia is propelling and is based on utter ignorance and bigotry ,the an anti-Sharia, individuals and others, they continues to disseminate toxic anti-Muslim views in this forum in disguises . it is part of a larger misinformation that seeks to demonize and vilify Eritrean Muslim and by using sharia. The anti-Muslim ideologues, the fringe extremists are attempting to further entrench and legitimate myths about sharia in Eritrea , they uses cheap political trick ,anti-Muslim dogmatists, inflammatory rhetoric to create an ‘us vs. them’ dichotomy ,Eritrean have seeing it all . Sharia does not apply to non-Muslims anyway so the hysteria that is now being incited is meant to divide as similar to that of IA manifesto NHANAN AL MANAN being recycled , likely for most Eritrean they want to live in harmonies and let live in peace , Eritrean pro-human rights ,they honor freedom of religion. Simply put Sharia for Muslims is the equivalent of Canon Law for Catholics, Halakhah for Jews, there are in Bible for some evangelical fundamentalists, though there are laws in Deuteronomy that it is hard to imagine anyone actually practicing.
    Sharia can be fluid and an arena of contention within Islam. Sharia It forbids categorically like the old ten statements, like murder, theft, Sharia forbids adultery, eating pork, plying casino and drinking alcohol. Sharia Islamic ethical code, a moral compass on all aspects of life — from how to deal in business transaction in all honesty and avoid bank interest and how pray to how to respect and be kind one’s neighbors. It is more than a set of laws; Sharia is a central part of the observance of Islam by a majority of Muslims. Muslims understanding of Sharia, it provides guidance on how to live an ethical life. It lays down guidelines how to treat one’s family members, neighbors and those who are in need and how much to pay as charity. It requires Muslims to be just and fair in their dealings with everyone, to refrain from lying and gossip, etc. it have many things in commonalty with Christianity, sharia is meant always to promote what is good and prevent what is wrong.
    Just an observant Catholics would say they believe in canon law and Muslims would all say they believe in sharia, just as observant Jews would say that the believe in Halakhah . there is always tiny group that are blind to the teaching. The White Christian anti-civil rights groups in early 1960th also argued that their religion required racial segregation and there are raciest who are Christian fundamentalists who believe in segregation till today. By their illogical logic they should be allowed to discriminate against Black people, if their reading of the Bible makes that obligatory.
    Muslim Eritrean are not suggestion or purposing and are in no position to impose anything on anyone. the anti-Muslim ideologues, fringe extremists, with out any knowledge or scholarly reference, they quote cherry-picked and they find wrongly and poorly translated verses from the Quran or literature. Completely ignoring over a thousand four hundred years of legal scholarship and richly diverse interpretations of Sharia. there is no one book that outlines universally agreed upon Sharia. But in any case, in accordance with the Qur’an (2:256), according to some Muslim scholar, Sharia cannot be imposed on any unwilling Muslim person. According to Muslim and scholar the meaning Sharia in Arabic means “the way or broad road,” and does not refer to a body of law. Sharia is more accurately understood as referring to wide-ranging moral and broad ethical principles drawn from the Quran and the practices and sayings (hadith) of Prophet Muhammad. These broad principles are interpreted by jurists to come up with specific legal rulings and moral prescriptions. The body of legal rulings that emerges from the interpretation of Sharia law is commonly referred to as Islamic law, or as “fiqh” in Arabic. It is the result of human intellectual activity and is therefore, by definition, fallible and changeable.
    It well knowing among Muslim and scholars reflecting on the larger objectives of Sharia have said that laws derived from it must always protect the following five: life, intellect, family, property and the honor of human beings.
    These five objectives create what we may consider to be a premodern Islamic Bill of Rights, providing protection for civil liberties. In short Today and reported clearly in above article, Sharia legal rulings in Eritrea are applied primarily in the area of personal and family law, which governs issues of marriage, divorce, and inheritance, among others.
    According to Lena Salaymeh , is Associate Professor (Senior Lecturer) at Tel Aviv Law. She researches and teaches Islamic and Jewish jurisprudence she specializes in Islamic and Jewish legal traditions in both historical and contemporary settings
    .in regard Sharia law does not mean Islamic law. Instead, “sharia law” is a Western boogeyman.
    In contrast to the “sharia law” boogeyman, Islamic law is the multi-vocal product of Muslim jurists who study and interpret Islamic scriptural sources in an attempt to comprehend the abstract concept of divine law. In contrast to the “sharia law” boogeyman, Islamic law is the multi-vocal product of Muslim jurists who study and interpret Islamic scriptural sources in an attempt to comprehend the abstract concept of divine law (sharīʿah). Muslims recognize that Jewish divine law (al-sharīʿah al-yahūdīyah) and Christian divine law (al-sharīʿah al-masīḥīyah) preceded Islamic divine law. Muslims also recognize that divine law is interpreted differently by different people. The Islamic legal tradition has been operating for more than 1400 years and is implemented differently (or not at all)

    For these reasons, the Islamic legal tradition is pluralistic, with multiple legal opinions and little consensus on any given issue. Islamic legal opinions reflect the time and place in which they were formulated, fluctuating as normative social opinion changes. Simply put, Islamic law is what Muslims (particularly Muslim jurists) believe Islamic law to be. There is no unified Islamic legal code; there is no hierarchical organization that has the ultimate authority to determine the content of Islamic law. Islamic law cannot be reduced to any theme – peaceful or violent, democratic or undemocratic, progressive or conservative. In short, Islamic law, while based on attempts to realize divine law (sharīʿah), is not equivalent to the fanciful, nonsensical “sharia law.”
    “Sharia law,” then, is a propaganda term used for political objectives. Believing in – or supporting – a legal tradition is a matter of identity.
    According to Lena Salaymeh , thus, denouncing a legal tradition is equivalent to denouncing the people who follow that legal tradition. This type of religious prejudice is a timeworn strategy of bigots.
    For example, orthodox Islamic law explicitly prohibits the targeting of civilians during warfare, but extremist groups ignore this unambiguous rule. The notion that Muslim extremists implement Islamic law is as unreasonable as the claim that Christian extremists implement biblical law or that Jewish extremists implement Jewish law. Extremists of any affiliation use whatever tools are available to justify their violence. Belief in or adherence to Islamic law does not cause or promote violence. A clear understanding of Islamic law will help deprive extremist groups, both non-Muslim and Muslim, from using “sharia law” as a political tool.
    The Quran recognizes the absolute equality of men and women as human beings and proclaims that they are each other’s partners in promoting the common good.
    As I have reported briefly and I have pasted many time Islam and women rights. Sharia provides women with certain rights that were practically unheard of in the premodern world. It requires that both men and women have equal access to knowledge; it requires a woman’s consent before marriage; and it allows her the right to initiate divorce under certain conditions.in Catholicism divorce is not allowed, further Muslim jurists allowed abortion in the first trimester of pregnancy, especially if the mother’s health was in jeopardy.
    Above all, Sharia allows a woman to inherit property from her male relatives and to keep this property for herself, even after marriage – her husband cannot lay any claim to it. In contrast, European Christian women were not allowed to hold on to their property after marriage until the 19th century. Muslim feminists campaigning for equal legal rights in Muslim majority societies today draw their arguments and strength from Sharia.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Solomon and Saay
    Am so sorry for being late and just so you know I’m writing this from a train station to go to another site.

    My reading of Zim’s affaires is that ZANU wins against Saure-lady. But that, to me, is not the long standing solution for the country. The problem has been zanu being almost equal to god, to the commonly ordinary folks. In that regard it will only be sucesión of power from an old guard to the same old guard. It’s the blind love of ZANU that should have been the diagnosis.

    If I were an opposition then change will only come by joining-in zanu and work from within. In fact that what a white Zim agreed with me, albeit jokingly.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Dis Donc,

      Fine that you have graced this forum after weeks long absence. Acknowledging the depth of your information on Zimbabwe and the Sub Saharan countries in general, don’t you think ZANU-PF and its leaders are loved for their commitment to land distribution, especially the veterans who are, moreover, very much loved for their services during the struggle years? At the core of the struggle was the issue of land, and actually the struggle meant striving for land.

      I remember that in the 1979 Lancaster House deliberations that led to constitutionally endorsed independence, the issue of land was a game maker or breaker. Mugabe’s delegation, as long with the other two, had to resist enormous pressure from the USA and Britain on the matter. A breakthrough was only possible when a formula was crafted on the basis of a so called “willing seller, willing buyer” preposition, in which the British and the Americans agreed to set up a fund to finance the operation if the white farmers would be willing to sell. Then, the government would get the land and distribute it to the landless.

      There was a lot of hurdles in the operation and the agreement had to be revised 27 times in an effort to empty it of its substance. Then, when the New Labour of Mr. Tony Blair took over there was not only procrastination but reneging on the agreement that triggered the anger of ZANU-PF and pushed it to take unilateral measures to take over land. That was at the core of the dispute that has been dragging on up to the present. The press demonized Mr. Mugabe and impoverished the country. It would not have survived if South Africa and China as well as some countries in Africa did not help the country. Of course, much of the public opinion in many parts of the world was affected by ideological inclination of Mr. Mugabe’s administration. But for observers who read that part of Africa’s colonial history would have room for understanding the struggle of Mr. Mugabe’s party for land. The people in that country depend on land because land is the key resource of the economy, may be much more than South Africa’s economy. By the way, question of land in South Africa is still a ticking bomb that could ignite any time.Thus, the point is that in Zimbabwe any political force with ambition to rule would have to check endorsement by the people against policies pertaining to land and its future.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Ismail,
        It’s true land was the very center of the disputes. Although it wasn’t solved for once the very now question isn’t related to the land issue. Rather the side effects of it. In fact if it wasn’t for land issues that made him god-like ruler that he became of late, he would have been thrown out long ago, both by insiders and outsiders. The locals were fooled by Mugabwe into thinking that he solved the land issue and outsiders fooled them again by keeping him at the helm. After all, Britain and USA won’t give a hoots about locals. My observation is that ZANU and it’ leadership, with its minions, have failed miserably both in transforming the party and the country.

        It’s very difficult to concentrate one’s train of thought but I hope you make sense out of what I wrote.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Dis Donc,

          I admire you humility, sir. But my acknowledgment about the information you had graced us about South Africa and the religion was very useful; I mean credit should go where it is due. In regard to the developing situation in Zimbabwe, you correct the issue is not about land. It is about changing an order that has stayed for too long and has been suffering from political, governance and human senility. It is true that ZANU-PF has been depending more on past glories than achievements it could not attained partly due to outside pressure led by Britain and USA neither for the sake of ordinary, impoverished and landless nor for the white folks who owned land. The main concern of those powers was shunning responsibility for the white settlers who did not want to remain new Zimbabwe’s citizens and might have chosen to return to countries of origin. In fact, this was one of the frightening problems about apartheid South Africa, which the wisdom and acumen of the late Nelson Mandella had helped them to solve.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Ismail
            Thanks and equally to you. Even then I’d to remind many here that I’m just another one of you. I admire most who contribute here. And wonder where do they get the time to write as you all do here in this wonderful site. As for Zim, well nothing will change unless zanu itself breaks up into two (better yet more) parties.

            And there goes the battery of my cell phone.

  • Teodros Alem

    Hi hayat
    Good but what about bone structures?

    • Selam Teodros Alem,

      I am not trying to replace H.A. in any way, because i never can, nevertheless, here are my two birr worth.

      Biologically we are the same not only within the human species, but even with animals. Our difference from the latter is that human beings have developed a brain that does sophisticated thinking, and they walk on to legs having lost the need for four during their evolution, and thus turning their front legs into two very useful instruments. It does not mean that animals do not think at all, simply we call it instinct.

      Genetically human beings are the same, in 99.8% of their genes, and they share 98% with chimpanzees (if I can remember well the percentages). The 0.2% difference between humans do not define any major differences, but for example, the few mutations they acquired due to the effect of the environment they lived in, e.g. the sickle cell mutation in tropical africa, or the melanin gene that lost its function, because people were forced to live in caves like the polar bear, and under short periods and hours of sunshine, when they moved to the temperate and colder north.

      At the same time africans were sleeping lazily under the starry skies, counting the pearls they thought the stars were, and did not care much either to study them, did not see the need to build houses that protected them from cold, because there was no cold, and generally they did not have to fight for their survival.

      Nature gave them in abundance more than the little they required to survive, and survival was not a major issue for them, except during periods of drought that were followed by much greater periods of green fields and trees loaded with fruits, and animals to be hunted all the year round. Unfortunately, even diseases which they believed came from the wrath of the gods, did not wake them up from their deep sleep, and they even thought that it was the wish of the gods when a person died, because it never came to the level of their extinction.

      Therefore, human beings differ mainly in their material wealth and social position, and there is a good explanation for that, and in nothing else whatsoever. Africans need the technology that could help feed themselves, acquire universal health care, and a basic income for all. They do not need the brain or technology that would help them achieve a nuclear bomb, travel to outer space, or to acquire the taste for an outlandish and insatiable consumption behavior

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam horizon
        So r saying .2 % different might be the cause of bone structural different or r u saying there is no difference at all?
        And u talk about religion as if black r the only people with religion. Any way thank u .

        • Selam Teodros Adem,

          To tell the truth, i have not understood the bone structure difference, you are talking about. You should have done some explanation.

          What i know about human bones – white people – vit. D – UVA,B,C, is that if white people had not lost the function of the melanin genes and they accumulated melanin in their skins and remained black, they would have suffered major problems with their bones, because of the absence of the formation of vit. D in their skin by the effect of UVB (i do not remember well, which one of UVLs), and decreased absorption of ca++ from the GI. They would have suffered from rickets and deformed bones, and they would have found it difficult to walk around.

          I do not think that i mentioned religion in my previous post

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            Religion. I mean when u say “they even thought that it was the wish of the gods”.
            Thanks for the lesson.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Teodros,
      I don’t believe there is much bone variation with in the human race. And if there is one, it has to do purely with the environment than anythibg else. The other point is bone structure doesn’t affect a coognitive measure as such.

  • Dear Hayat Adem,

    Nature in her great wisdom, worked diligently for the one and only very important purpose, i.e. the survival of human beings on this planet.

    What did human beings do? They misinterpreted the results of the work of nature (genes and environment) to suit their selfish objectives. Otherwise, the explanations for the so-called the human race, are simple and easily understandable.

    As you said, unless you study the behavior and achievements of the black and white race, by interchanging their respective positions (environment) in which they developed, you cannot know if there is any difference between the two.

    (Sorry that I did not see your post for so many hours. I do not know why.)

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam saay,

    You wrote: “The harmonious relationship we rightfully take great pride in didn’t happen by accident: it was cultivated by people who understood that tolerance and co-existence mean you respect the values of those who are not like you
    even if you don’t agree with them.”

    You added: “This means that in Muslim Eritrea, Sheria (the Islamic path) was always there.”

    Does this mean that full blown Shari’a/Sheria is all about peace, love and coexistence in all its forms or are you just referring to its selective applications?

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Simon KaleAb

      “You (Saay) added: “This means that in Muslim Eritrea, Sheria (the Islamic path) was always there.”

      1. – In today’s Eritrea there is no Sheria Law – meaning Sheria Law as God’s immutable divine law according to the interpretation of Muslim religious scholars (which there is no standard Sharia-law that is accepted by all Muslim communities around the globe). Whatever semblance of Sharia Law that existed in Eritrea, died during Ghedli years. Yes it died the day Eritrean women unshackle themselves and got-out of the dark corner of “their home” called ውሻጠ. Yes it died the day Eritrean women uncovered their faces and carried guns wearing short pants. Yes it died the day Eritrean women became army-commanders, Feda-een behind enemy lines, military intelligence and information personnel, political commissioners, underground cells organizers, combatants, operators of heavy artillery and mortars, mechanics, drivers, teachers, medical personnel, radio operators……………

      And under the pretext of religious freedom, under the pretext of Muslim/Christian cultural values…… they are not going back to their old dark ዉሻጠ. That you can take it to the bank.

      2. – “Does this mean that full blown Shari’a/Sheria is all about peace, love and coexistence in all its forms or are you just referring to its selective applications?”

      Two points here:

      A. – Sharia Law as a divine law that came directly from God (Allah) does not advocate for peace, Sharia Law as a divine law does not promote tolerance in any shape or form, Sharia Law as a divine law does not fight for individual rights, Sharia Law as a divine law does not approve equal right for women and minorities, Sharia Law as a divine law is not for scientific education and modern medicine………..

      B. – I’m willing to be corrected, but there is common misinterpretation and common misuse of the term “Sheria” in Eritrean Muslim communities in particular, and in Eritrean communities as a whole. For example, marrying legally and marrying according to the holy Koran divine law ( متزوج قانونا and متزوج بموجب القانون شريعة‎‎) in the Eritrean Muslim communities is interpreted/considered as one and the same – which is not. And the same goes with common community court rulings. The Eritrean Muslim community courts and the Eritrean Muslim community laws (with a sprinkle of Eritrean Islamic and cultural flavor) are called Sharia courts and sharia laws by many. Although the laws and rulings of these community courts are the same (with few exceptions) like those in the Eritrean Kebesas courts and laws with Christian faith and Christian cultural flavor (ሕጊ ሎጎ-ጭዋ፡ ሕጊ ሸውዓተ ዓንሰባ፡ ሕጊ እድግና-ተገለባ፡ ሕጊ ‘ትከመ-ምልጋእ….).

      And due to this misinterpretation, when we oppose Sheria Law – especially those of us from the ethnic Tigrigna community, many Muslims think we’re assaulting the tradition, the cultural values, and the Islamic faith of our Muslim brothers, which we are not.

      3. – If my information/understanding is right, the ደቅና ‘የን፡ ኣስላም ‘የን፡ ባህለን ‘ዩ፡ ክሽፈና ‘የን – ዝኽልክለን ድማ ዋላ ሓደ የለን – was not about defending the traditional Eritrean Muslim women cover (ልውየትን ጉልባብን) that existed for millennia – from a non-Muslim intrusive government. No, no, no…… Eritrean Muslim women all over the country are wearing their traditional ልውየት and ጉልባብ as they did for centuries. The ban was (again I’m willing to be corrected) all about the newly imported black dressing that covers 100% of the women’s body or in some that leaves a narrow uncovered strip around the eyes – which is alien to Eritrean Muslims except Rashaida women.

      Semere Tesfai

      • saay7

        Selamat Semere Tesfai:

        Its weird that you keep saying “I’m willing to be corrected” but then you never correct yourself. So let’s take this one at a time, and I will begin with the last just in case I accidentally get through to you this time:

        3. The Dress Code: No, you got it wrong. The issue is not which kind of scarf is allowed and which one is not. The issue is about making it consistent with public schools where whether a girl wants to have a head scarf is optional (choice of the girl) and the private Islamic school where head scarf is mandatory (choice of the parent.). The “newly imported black dressing…” etc is all in your head. But thankfully for us, you are willing to be corrected. Or so you keep saying and then revert to form.

        2. Please refer to the answer I give Simon. Sheria law is about code of conduct: on how to lead an ethical life. Some would say that has a lot to do with right and wrong, but I don’t want make this a religious discourse. Suffice to say that you are once again very wrong because the Sheria courts in Eritrea are presided over by highly educated scholars (graduates from Al Azhar University) and they are not using customs and traditions but Islamic jurisprudence from one of the schools of thought. What matters to us is how does Sheria interact with State. Within Eritrea’s Islamic community, Sheria has always had civil case (family court) connotation: marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody. There are Sheria courts all over Eritrea and an Sheria appeals court in Asmara. These have always been the default jurisdictions on these specific matters I mentioned. However, a person who believes that he or she will not get justice in Sheria court is free to demand that their case be heard in the State’s court system.

        1.This statement that you made is wholly without basis or facts. Dear Lord, is there another Eritrea that you are referencing? This is the part that makes me very skeptical of your constant refrain of “I am willing to be corrected” because you are very unwilling to be corrected. Go to any edition of Haddas Ertra (the official government newspaper), and in the announcement section, you will find headings like “Ab Biet frdi n’us zoba Ginda SheriA zra’ayu gudayat” or at some “Bet Frdi Sheria” that a certain Sofia G/Ezgabheri is suing a certain Nasser Abdella Nur Adem etc, etc. (actual cases I am reading right now.) Ghedli ended in 1991 and there are now, even as I write you this statement, Sheria Courts all over Eritrea and Hadas Ertra is making announcements about their public notices.

        I know it is pointless to correct you on this, but I am trying to address people you are leading astray.

        saay

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Saay

          1. – “The issue is about making it consistent with public schools where whether a girl wants to have a head scarf is optional (choice of the girl) and the private Islamic school where head scarf is mandatory (choice of the parent.). The “newly imported black dressing…” etc is all in your head.”

          So, let’s say the choice is “private Islamic school where head scarf is mandatory (choice of the parent). Then what? Is she going to go to Sawa? Is she going to serve?

          2. – What matters to us (Muslims) is how does Sheria interact with State. Within Eritrea’s Islamic community, Sheria has always had civil case (family court) connotation: marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody.”

          You’re dead wrong. Eritrea is not going to have two laws – on for Christians and one for Muslims. In Eritrea there will never be a Christian Law and an Islamic law – it is not practical because we’re not segregated society. Sheria as a divine Gods law will never have any place in the state – if Eritrea is going to exist as a nation. Sheria Law and Christianity are not compatible.

          What if the alleged criminals are a Christian and a Muslim who rob a bank? What if the alleged criminal is half Muslim half Muslim – do/does criminal(s) choose his/her court? What if the divorce is between a Muslim husband and a Christian wife?

          Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selamat Semere:

            You have the tendency to take what is tangible and create hypotheticals. Observe:

            1. AlDiaa Islamic School deals with minors (underage) students. Once they are high school students (18), they are subject to the government’s mandate. Why do you speak as if them going to Sawa is some abstraction: since 1995 when National Service was introduced, the students of Al-Diaa are subject to it. There is no “deqna iyen” then: they are deqi mengisti, which is a whole different topic. The point is that them going to Al-Diaa has made zero difference to how they are treated once they go to Sawa.

            2. Again, you are talking about some imaginary Eritrea in your head: right now, as you read and write this, there are Sheria courts dealing with Muslims civil cases: marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody. If you want to change it, make your case, but don’t begin by pretending that is not the case in Eritrea right now.

            Your other questions:

            1. In Eritrea, sheria does not deal with penal code. That has always been the domain of the State.
            2. A person, Muslim or Christian, can opt out of Sheria Court.
            3. You think you just thought of all these questions? You are hilarious. Eritreans have thought this thru and come with amicable solution for them for centuries Just you radical atheists need to do a little study of your own history.

            Any other scare mongering on entirely imaginary issues that have nothing to do with how Sheria is practiced in Eritrea? Did you read the Haddas Eritrea announcements I asked you to read? That’s Eritrea 2017, twenty six years after end of Ghedli.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saay

            1. – “Again, you are talking about some imaginary Eritrea in your head: right now, as you read and write this, there are Sheria courts dealing with Muslims civil cases: marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody.”

            I’m telling you, in Eritrea Sheria interpreted as a divine Gods Law doesn’t exist. In today’s Eritrea against sharia divine law, Muslim women have a right to demand divorce, to reject to be wife number 2,3,4,5, demand for inheritance, to own buy sell property, to wear the cloth of their choice (long, short, pants, not cover their face….), educate themselves, drive, work ………

            Now tell me: what different ruling do you get on “marriage, divorce, inheritance and child custody” cases, in a Sharia Law courts that you wouldn’t get from the secular state courts?.

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selam Semere:

            1. Skipping over your Salata Tursh and your woeful lack of understanding of what Sheria is, a Muslim woman who goes to a Sheria court over matters of inheritance will have a Sheria judge interpret Sheria and make a ruling. The same woman can go to a secular court and get a completely different ruling. These two courts exist in Eritrea. Right now. Today. You can argue for abolishing the Sheria court but you can’t deny that it exists.

            2. Reverse the argument: given all the things that will happen when they are adults (humans owned and operated by the State), why is the government picking a fight with the school, a PRIVATE school that is allowed by proclamation and law (Proclamation 73/1995) to do what it is doing with minors with full permission of parents? And where were you all these years by the way and not making all these demands that you are making now?

            saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saay

            1. – “And where were you all these years by the way and not making all these demands that you are making now?”

            I’m not making any new demands now. This demand is as old as Ghedli itself. Trust me, I’ve heard it all and some more. I fought alongside Jihadists, Islamists, Crusaders, BaAthists, communists, radicals and conservatives – who wanted different things about future Eritrea. I’m not one of those who say Isaias Afewerki hijacked the all-good and all-benevolent spirit of Ghedli and turned it into dictatorship. Ghedli was a place of competing visions and ideologies for little Eritrea.

            2. – The whole idea is to build a nation. The whole idea is to fight anti-social religious dogma, the whole idea is to fight religious fundamentalism from its source, the whole idea is to change society for the good of all Eritrean citizens, the whole idea is to fight for equality and justice for all.

            And the SOURCE of all religious fundamentalism are RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS/MUDRESSAS. A nation that failed to shape and mold its young during their school years (K-12) will fail to have a UNITED society with a common destiny. That’s why?

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Semere:

            You are not answering my question. I don’t know if you are capable of having a normal conversation without climbing on a soapbox and getting all rhetorical and Awet nHafash on me. My question is this: the DiaA Islamic School (nice touch with the “Mudrassa” by the way) has been doing the same thing, the same way, ever since 1991 (not counting pre-independence era.) why is it that you are only addressing it now in 2017 and only after the gov addressed it? That’s my question. Try to answer it without reaching for some imaginary microphone to address an imaginary audience.

            2. Nah, that’s YOUR whole idea. It wasn’t the whole idea of Ghedli which was to empower the citizen and practice all his freedoms including the freedom to worship and to have a country under rule of law, not rule of men. It’s not “the nation” (you mean the government) sole role to “mold” the children. That’s the job of the parents and the community with the government also having a role but under no circumstances more than that of parents. It’s your dangerous belief and values that has given us a government that controlled the lives of adults from adulthood to graven now you want to extend that from cradle to grave.

            saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saay

            1. – “My question is this: the DiaA Islamic School (nice touch with the “Mudrassa” by the way) has been doing the same thing, the same way, ever since 1991 (not counting pre-independence era.) why is it that you are only addressing it now in 2017 and only after the gov addressed it? That’s my question.”

            I don’t know why the PFDJ government took this action this time – not a week ago, not a a month ago, not a a year ago, not a decade ago….. I don’t speak for the PFDJ regime, I’m not a PFDJ card holder, I don’t have any contact with them. But, but, but that is the right thing to do, it should’ve happened a long time ago. At some point, some time in the future, it would’ve happened anyway. Because what any nation must have is ………

            – ONE NATION, ONE SCHOOL CURRICULUM, ONE TEACHING AND TESTING STANDARD

            – THE ROLE OF RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS IN A GIVEN NATION SHOULD BE – TO TEACH SPIRITUAL LESSONS, TO SERVE AND LEAD PRAYERS, AND OFFER SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THEIR RELIGIOUS CONSTITUENCIES. NOTHING MORE.

            That is what I believe

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Semere T, our people of various faiths have been living and co-existing for centuries in peace. Now your gangster regime of DIA has been engaged in destructive experimentations for the last decades when it has been ruling through brute force. Your gangster regime has only delivered missery upon missery to the Eritrean people, and now you are trying to mess with the proven peaceful coexistence of our people.

          • saay7

            Abraham:

            Do you think all the anti-head-scarf “modernists” can answer this question without using the word “customs”, “bahlna”:

            Why isn’t the dress code in public schools a mini-skirt?

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Saay, the Isayasists are well-known hypocrites. It amazes me when they unashamedly, invoke rule of law or certain proclamations while they say nothing when the supreme law, the Cosntitution is thrown away in front of their eyes.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            At least to my knowledge to both organizations (or specifically in ELF where Semere and myself participated) had National Democratic programs. National because it was national issue for self-determination and democratic because they were teaching about democracy and democratic institutions. They had rudimentary democratic institutions in the area they controlled. There were not against the religious institutions that existed in Eritrea at that time.

            Semere is supporting the action of the government and it was his demand (his fight) since the ghedli era. He might had that kind of dream, but I can assure to the awate family, that it wasn’t part of the political program nor part of the long term vision of the organizations. Ghedli’s vision was a collective vision originated from their organization

          • saay7

            Emma:

            At the risk of riling my good friend MS, I have it on good authority that, during the liberation war in the 1970s, Eritreans who lived in EPLF-liberated lands were going to ELF-administered land whenever they had disputes because the ELF had an entire court system versed in customary and Sheria law whereas EPLF…

            Shut up iSem. This is NOT an invitation to pile on.

            But let’s keep that between us. 😉

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            When you say “ELF had an entire court system versed in customary and Sheria laws” – that is absolutely true. But I have no idea whethe our people in the liberated area of EPLF were coming to ELF court system to resolve their conflicts. The institutions were there though they were not strong enough to run effectively.

            Regards

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            Pile on who you mean:-)
            If you mean EPLF, I have grown out of that, have not u noticed:-)

          • blink

            Dear saay
            What happened to these courts ? We heard all of them vanished because their base was thinner than air and their justice was corrupted as religious dogmas, so they failed . These who go to such courts wanted to keep their deep rooted ONLY FOR ME attitude to reward them. That’s why .

          • saay7

            Blink:

            Here’s how you and Semere T sound:

            I heard the moon is made of cheese but I am willing to be corrected

            The moon is not made of cheese

            If these astronauts going to this cheesy moon can be men and women staying in the same space shuttle for 2.5 billion miles WHY WHY WHY DO WE HAVE MENs AND WOMENS TENNIS TOURNAMENT

            Moon is still not cheesy. It’s not 2.5 billion miles to the moon and back

            We did not wage an armed struggle so boys and girls can have different tennis tournaments, segregated cycling and marathons. The government should take over the organizations that run these sports. Specially since all Eritrean cyclists, tennis players and marathon runners are taking steroids, though I am willing to be corrected.

            They are not all taking steroids…

            We can’t aim for the moon with our youth on dope! We will have no pilots taking us there if boys and girls are in different tournaments!! We will all need to save and pool our resources to go the distance of 2.5 billion miles and WATCH OUT FOR RATS, they love cheese and the moon is made of cheese. But I am willing to be corrected….

            That is how Semere T sounds like.

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, thanks for this one, it made me laugh real good, lol. Esp, the last para was priceless:) Thanks

          • blink

            Dear saay
            The things I said or I say about you is unchangable , , it not only me I admire your views, there are many people I can even mention names . But this one ohh say what ever you wanted , even you can dance with the moon if you have to , that being said I have some experience in the persuasion business and I checked my files if in case your points have any salt on it , I am telling you , you disappointed me. Listen man no one is here for your birthday cake .what you believe is for yourself and don’t expect others to fall on your trap , if you say the truth people will accept it ,if not they reject it. I certainly can be a witness about Eritrean Muslims than you ever think you know .This is not bluffing, I am telling you if I wanted I can tell corners forget about cities. I wonder why some Eritreans feel they own the opposition and if you did not accept their views they blame you for their failures. So before you go hunting, just try to have some survival things on your pockets , I mean you never know how it will turn out. By the way don’t shoot rare animals.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Semere Tesfai,

            “A nation that failed to shape and mold its young during their school years (K-12) will fail to have a UNITED society with a common destiny. That’s why!”

            In the secular countries are Islamic Banks. There is Halal an Islamic food. Does this make the west not united societies with different destinies? The west embraces all cultures and moves forward. Your satanic molding of Eritrea has brought a complete failure and destruction of the nation. You are not after the good of our people. You are just robbers. Swallow it.

            Al-Arabi

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Semere Tesfai,

            You have to conceive well Shabia culture doesn’t mean the Eritrean people culture. Eritrea and its people were before Shabia and will remain after Shabia. Try not to mingle two different things. You will never deviate our people path to your organization path. You have failed to lead the country in the past 26 years which is enough time to show some positive progress. You have scored failure in all the fields. It is time to leave before you are toppled by force. Mugabe should be a warning bell for you, but you are too dull to understand that.

            Parents have thought you are trustworthy and have given you their underage daughters and sons. You have betrayed martyrs, parents and the people of Eritrea in general. The 31st of October is the beginning of the end of Sawa. Parents will never give you their underage children to be victims of hot military generals and officers. You have raped enough and destroyed life of many underage girls and boys through the past 26 years of your rule. You have turned Eritrea to hell which all dream to leave.

            Sharia is not something the people of Eritrea hide in jungles or deserts. The Islamic law is taught even in the universities of the West. For example: Oxford Center for Islamic Studies. The center is a recognized independent center of the University of Oxford and was established in 1985. Secondly, University of Georgia in the United States of America, the first university in America that is founded in 1785, teaches Islamic studies. Wherever you go you will get Sharia law around the world even in the world that have exported to you the term “Secularism”. You want to be more Orthodox than the Pople. Swallow it, Mr. Semere.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hameed,

            In Ontario (Canada) not only its studies but it’s practiced with family matters.

            “The province of Ontario has authorized the use of sharia law in civil arbitrations, if both parties consent. The arbitrations will deal with such matters as property, marriage, divorce, custody and inheritance. The arbitrators can be imams, Muslim elders or lawyers.”

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selam Berhe:

            This is called “alternative conflict resolution” on par with mediation and arbitration. Most countries, rich and poor, don’t have courts that have the capacity to deal with the infinite way people fight, specially when it involves families. The Sheria courts in Eritrea fulfill this role and even godless PFDJ tolerates them because it doesn’t have, and it won’t have for a very long, the capacity to deal with civil conflicts. We already know how it deals with penal cases.

            saay

          • Kebessa

            Hello Semere,

            There is some sort of Sheri’A law in Eritrea. The link below is from Hadas Ertra in its today edition, and says “Mendefera Sheri’A Court”. Scroll to page 11.

            http://50.7.16.234/hadas-eritrea/haddas_ertra_17112017.pdf

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Semere Tesfai,
            After so much shenkolel, you got the point. Your no. 2. Indeed there is no rational, but the lack of rational is on the Government’s side. The government is trying to fix something that is not broken. The school was not causing any problem, but the government wants complete control and specially elimination of those who have “fear of God”. Hence the closing of the christian schools as well. If you see the uniform of the school, you will note that they are not wearing the black burka that you intimated in your earlier comment. And if they wanted to cover their face? In the words of Abune Mekarios “They will see enough not to trip, and if they trip what business is it of others?”
            The girls don’t have any gulbab or ma’eteb during military training and Sawa school. Outside of that, they dress as they want.

          • saay7

            Abrehet:

            Semere is not done with his shenkolel. In two paragraphs he told us two contradictory things:

            1. Only the government should run schools
            2. Religious schools should focus on ethics and morality

            Semere actually is that unusual guy that makes PFDJ seem moderate and reasonable. I mean laws are usually written in such a way as to tell you what not to do; the ones that tell you what exactly you should do are called Hammurabi laws. In the name of modernity and secularism, Semere is telling us all the things the gov has the right to do (it’s unlimited) and the few things that should be left to the rest of Eritreas space.

            Saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Saay
            In the infinite wisdom of the universe, the daughter of the tegadalit who threw her gulbab and got an afro becomes a fanatic Orthodox who dresses like a monk. The daughter of a traditional woman becomes an artists and recites poetry on a stage. Wise leaders recogmize this, they open schools to keep the traditions and cultures alive and add new education to it. The arrogant rigid ones preach ghedli values while their kids and grandkids run away from them by any means.

      • blink

        Dear Mr. semere
        Help me here , you said “they are not going back to their old dark ዉሻጠ. That you can take it to the bank.” are you sure ? Isn’t women getting snatched from their inheritance rights? What exactly did got women after 1991, they got misery , I think duplicating Eritrean women fighters as the society base for women is not right.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Blink

          1. – ” Isn’t women getting snatched from their inheritance rights? What exactly did got women after 1991, they got misery , I think duplicating Eritrean women fighters as the society base for women is not right.”

          I think you’re not seeing the difference because you’re young. In just two generations, Eritrean women have come a long way. Let’s raise our daughters right and – better days will sure come.

          2. – “By the way saay sheria or higi legechiwa has nothing to offer to woman , it is a law that was designed long time ago by old men who demanded their wives to wash their dirty feet.”

          You nailed it! I just turned sixty few months back. I’m was born and raised in a small Hagereseb village. And I’ve seen my grand mother and my mom washing and kissing their husbands feet. Thank you for reminding me and everyone, that ugly side of our culture.

          Semere Tesfai

          • blink

            Dear Mr. semere
            Congratulations for your 60th year old , it must be a life full of memories, the good and the bad ,all of it that live has offered.

            I find out about that washing feet from my grand father friend long time ago ,when he came to the west and one Friday I have to drive him to mosques in which he volunteered to tell us the old times lifestyle.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Hi Semere Tesfai,

        You are totally ignorant about Islam and Eritrean Muslims. Your talks are not based on facts derived from knowledge, but from bela belaw. Ghedli in its Shabia form is queer to all Eritrean cultures to be as a reference to the Eritrean people cultures. What you have mentioned abouve imposed by force the same as what you experience today in Sawa. Shabia is enslaving underage Eritrean girls in Sawa. There are many cases of rape and pregnancy of teenagers by military officers. Mr. Semere, I think you are in a mission of destroying the Eritrean people, Muslims and Christians. The people of Eritrea openly have told you stop your business with our religions and cultures. Swallow it, Mr. Semere.

        Al-Arabi

      • Brhan

        Hi Semere,
        Good arguments. So which chapter in our dormant constitution tells that we have to throw a man in this case a 95 years old man to a jail because he just expressed his opinion with regard to how the private school is governed.
        Can you tell me if there is if not can you tell me in your dream constitution for our country

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Brhan

          “So which chapter in our dormant constitution tells that we have to throw a man in this case a 95 years old man to a jail because he just expressed his opinion with regard to how the private school is governed.”

          My main argument in this topic is not about Ustaz Mussa Mohammed Nur’s fate in the Eritrean justice system, since I’m neither a lawyer by training nor in the know for all the facts. My main concern in this topic is the role of religious schools in a given nation – though I believe there is no cut-off age for crime and punishment – only it varies in the severity of the punishment.

          Semere Tesfai

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Semere Tesfai,

        Nothing new; just the familiar twisting of issues with “correct me” caveat.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Semere T.,

        If you are to make an arguement at least know what you are arguing about. You don’t have to justify to yourself that you must know everything. No body knows everything so it’s ok if you don’t.

        The reason I say this, in this case you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Just because you believe, the majority Christian must rule, and how dare the Muslims challenge the order of IA, you are making everything as you go. Look at the mirror and be honest to yourself.

        Don’t worry about justifying the actions of the dictator, just worry about for the day that comes when he is gone.

        Akria is the best thing that happened. It crushed all the false hope that we were hearing and the ERITREAN people stood united. No body will take the people for granted anymore, they people proved to you and your likes, including the majority Christians that you thought are your backbone.

        Berhe

    • saay7

      Simon:

      I don’t know what a “full blown Sharia” means, and I am not the only one, since at least four schools of thought in Sunni Islam (ShafiE, Maliki, Hanafi, Hambali) conduct jurisprudence (fiqh) on it and don’t exactly agree. And that’s not even counting ShiA Islam.

      The larger point I was making is that Eritrea, as any pluralistic, multi-faith society, had to come up with its formula for harmonious co-existence and whether that was organic or imposed by rulers, in Eritrea Sheria had always a form of application that didn’t transgress on the rights of people who didn’t share the faith and yielded to secular law on many issues including penal code.

      To be blunt about it, what has changed in Eritrea is not the introduction of “political Islam” (because that’s guarded against aggressively by Eritrean Muslims themselves) but secular and atheist fundamentalism which openly mocks those who don’t share their values.

      So, what do YOU think was Eritreas formula for harmonious coexistence?

      saay

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam saay,

        I understand full blown Shari’a to mean Islamic law that is based on the whole of the Qur’an and the Hadith. This law has a say on marriage, divorce, inheritance, capital punishment, and attitude towards non-Muslim communities.

        I also understand that the Qur’an and Hadith do not have a liberal and progressive attitude towards the above issues and in particular are hostile towards non-Muslims.

        I consider Saudi Arabia to be a good approximate and Abu Baker al- Baghdadi’s [a very knowledgeable man with Ph.D. in Islamic studies] current Caliphate to be a good fit for a full blown Shari’a.

        In the Eritrean context, the only way for the country to have social cohesion, and thrive and prosper is by following a secular system. This means, banishing religion from the legal and political sphere.

        • saay7

          Selamat Simon:

          Just as I thought: you understand Sheria to mean the Saudi version of it.

          What the Quran and Sunaa have to say on the subjects you mentioned apply only to those who believe the Quran and Suna are righteous and the best of all choices. The job of the State is to make sure that they have no jurisdiction over those who don’t agree that they are best and divinely guided. Again, my interest is not weighing the merits of religion: I leave that to the experts; namely, atheists.

          I asked you how did you think Eritreans cultivated social harmony in the past and you are prescribing the same Semere medicine: fixing what’s not broken. Can you answer my question?

          saay

    • Brhan

      Hi Simon,
      I am not here to give my input for nzereba zereba amtseo…but the subject in our discussion should be about people being arrested just because they expressed themselves . Sharia / Agazian should not be our issues of discussion. Our issues are of rule of law, freedom of expression and having a constitution. I believe you agree with me.

      • blink

        Dear brhan
        With do respect sir , that freedom of expression is playing out, may be you did not see that way. Do not you think so ? Some are arguing about people’s freedom to do what ever they wanted with their one and only one life, some are arguing about that life to go on and on to get a second life some where in undefined forum. I think such debates are important for Eritreans too . After all we can only build our life based on reality . We can not and we should not expect to help our brothers and sisters while we have double life in our head. Double life , a guy who live in states comfortable with his life and the progress of his kids in a free society is expected to wish a free society in Eritrea not advocate for a back ward life with poverty and horrific dictator looking at their dishes. A little honesty is expected of us , by saying that I rest my case before my foot work calls me home because all the debates has never been about Mr. Haj Musa.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Hi blink,

          A kid of our contemporary African jungles can twist fake stories more than you can do. Your ignorance is naked to all Awate readers. What you do will never help the regime you imagine you defend. I advise those who recruited you in this mission not waste their money, resources and time for a guy even he can’t persuade his own self. The west you speak about stop fighting and seek outlets when they sense a defeat. At least they attain some benefits from the defeat though they are beaten. Believe me, only fools drag things to the end. The regime apprehends it is on its way to be defeated, but they beguile themselves with fancies.

          Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            You stolen my good bye line to you .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            To hell with your cousins. To the dust bin of history. I would like to remind you when I comment I have in my mind Awate readers not you and your likes. You are not for the people you are for personal interests.

            Don’t forget to write the same for all forum and show them your back. Don’t look behind, the door is widely open. An elephant and a camel can pass through.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            You are not a good listener, are you ? I comment about issues that concerns me and you can do it.

  • Selam All,

    One of these two eritreans is thought to be the victim of a mistaken identity, and is found behind bars in italy for the last 18 months. It seems somebody has screwed things up to such a point that, now, it is more of the integrity and professionalism of the italian officers that is at stake, that nobody wants to give a solution to the matter. Μany say that there is a mistaken identity here, but no one listens.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/16/voice-evidence-italy-wrong-man-people-smuggling-case

  • Selam Bineam,

    The issue of africans having lower intelligence compared to whites, I think, was studied for the first time a long time ago somewhere in africa, most probably in apartheid south africa. A group of white and black children were put together to study in the same boarding primary school until they finished.

    The conclusion they drew from this study was that they found no difference in their grades and their overall achievements.

    The difference was that the white children were sent to western countries to continue their education, while the african children stayed behind, and the final outcome was as grown ups the white children had become doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc, while the african children as grownups had achieved not much.

    This shows that their difference was not in their dna or their intelligence, but in having equal opportunities. The white colonialists could exploit africans, and with the money they could send their children to schools and universities in the west for further studies, contrary to africans.

    The famous james watson who unravelled the dna molecule with francis crick, had said in 2007 that “while people may like to think that all races are born with equal intelligence, those “who have to deal with black employees find this not true””, for which he was ostracized by the science community, because from his position he could not be so wrong. He said that he was ignored by all as if he does not exist, impoverished and he was forced to sell his nobel prize medal.

    It is said that asians in general have higher IQ than westerners. It is only over the last few decades that they are known as manufacturers compared to the west that passed through the industrial revolution and the computer revolution ahead of asians. Nevertheless, today, asians are equal if not better than the west as much as computer and AI technologies are concerned.

    Therefore, there are multiple factors why africans are behind, and IQ is not one of them. Scientists or ordinary people, it is only racists who say that africans have lower IQ than whites

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Horizon,

      Watson’s Nobel prize medal was returned back to him by the purchaser, Russian tycoon Alisher Usmanov.

      Race is a cultural and not a scientific concept. Watson is a clever chap, but his comment shows you that even clever people err.

      Top notch Cambridge Mathematician Bertrand Russell was once asked whether blacks have lower IQ compared to whites. He said something to the effect: we cannot answer this question until we bring blacks to the same level of economic and social development as average whites.

      To me, this confirms that Mathematicians have a higher IQ compared to Molecular Biologists.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Simon,

        You don’t quote exactly what Russell had said. But if Russell had said exactly what you are telling us about him, is his statement “as mathematician” made you to think of that mathematicians have higher IQ than Molecular Biologists? Second, if that is the case, did you ever heard any Molecular Biologists to give his/her opinion on the subject, so that you are able to weigh their opinion on the subject? Mathematics as the servant of all subjects, you can not compare it with “life science” and “physical science” – the true science that change the world we live in and the life we live in. Besides, people study their interest irrespective their IQs. Don’t make a wild statements.

        Regards

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Amanuel H.,

          Relax, you are becoming hot under the collar.

          I always knew Mathematicians are smarter even before I read Russell’s statement. Logical abstraction, rigour, precision and conciseness. Try to beat these.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Can you darely to a mathematician, say for example Bertrand Russell tell him go and show me the abstract Molecular structure of DNA, if he didn’t go class for it? Not that he can’t do it if he studied it, he can’t do it because he didn’t studied. So for me now, your are asking me to beat him on logical abstract mathematics in which my educational background is completely different. Does, it gives you common sense really? Come on Simon?

  • King Ezana

    Selemat Binyam; it is true though. Everything the Africans and blacks enjoy was built by the whites. All blacks do is, compline, runaway and collect the biggest welfare checks. If that wasn’t the case, Africa have everything the world need and want. Let’s accept the truth, blacks are what exactly the whites say, lazy and unintelligent.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam King Ezana,
      .
      You sound so funny in describing yourself and your cousins.
      By any chance, are you related to our own Commanding General Nitricc? …”nature yegodaw sew” was the Amharic term an old neighborhood philosopher in Addis coined a long time ago (when speaking of Africans). The way he self assuredly explained everything was funny then and you are funny now.
      .
      To be sure, there are several studies that seem to point out the IQ hierarchy of the big 3 “social groups”. It appears the pecking order appears to indicate: Asians, Whites and Blacks in that order.
      However, all that means is as a group that might be the case but as individuals within that group they are spread all over the Bell Curve.
      In terms of IQ, what it means is this. If we take our own saay as an individual, you will find him most likely scoring better than 96% of Asians, 97% of Whites and 99.5% of Blacks. That is all.
      So we have to find other explanations for the predicaments we find ourselves in.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Selam Kim Hanna,

        It is outrageously improper, at this age and time, when white supremacist scums march in the streets of cities in the usa and europe with torches in their hands, intimidating and terrorizing the black and brown man, that some black people should accept that they are indeed inferior to the white man. This is not only scientifically unproven, but it is also socially wrong.

        It is equivalent to accepting that the black man is at a lower stage of human evolution than the white man, which is surely playing into the philosophy of white supremacist, who used the color of their skin to dehumanize and exploit africans and brown people. What one sees in their evolutionary superiority is the greed and aggressiveness of some whites, who are toxic even to the majority of whites, and nothing else. If material riches and moral degradation is all about IQ, then let it be so.

        Many african countries have seen LFs carrying the banner of democracy, anti-corruption, economic development, etc, when they are in the fields, becoming blood thirsty dictators and more corrupt than the previous governments, when they ascend to power. How is that africans have high IQ when they are in the bushes, and they become dumb fools when they are in power?

        One needs a reasonable level of IQ to become a dictator, a thief, a tribalist, etc, as african leaders are. Surely, it has nothing to do with IQ and evolution, why africans remained backward. One should forget IQ, and look for something else, as the most probable answer.

      • King Ezana

        Selam Kim: no I am not related to nitic but it does not mean I oppose his law of morality and tenacity. I have my own children, probably around his age but I have leaned from nitric a lot. I am sad, not to read his takes, on this forum, I guess, this Muslim vs Christian divdsion of Eritreans got to him. I hope he comes back Any way, I believe IQ and education are two different things but they compliment each other. We blacks may have high IQ but we lack education, yet the whites may have questioneble IQ but their education comes to make them above the blacks in evey way. Do you dispute with what I said?

    • Righteous

      Hi Ezana,

      I take it you’re a black? I am embarrassed by you and also very upset by your comment. That kind of self hate shows how little you think of yourself and your fellow blacks. I seldom throw a hissy fit, but I would if someone said something like that in person, or next to white folks which would make it far worse. You disgust me so F’ing much!

      • King Ezana

        Selam Lebam: Anta Lebam, be-Lebamka? Yes, I am black and ashamed while I am proud Ethiopian, Tigrian. I just told you the truth. Instead of getting offended by the truth, let’s educate our children so they can break the vicious cycle. We have to accept the truth first and then we can fight and make progress.

        • Lebam

          Hi Ezana

          Telling the truth? No, you’re not! I am pissed, to be perfectly honest. I have experienced racism my entire life and to read what you wrote from fellow blacks rustles my jimmes tremendously.

          Do you think our children will be successful if they read that whites are superior? WTF!

          I work with whites and let me tell you, they hate that a black man is better than them. They can’t stand it and do their utmost to hinder you from being successful.

          • King Ezana

            Selam Lebam: I understand your frustrations with white and black issues. And I believe you how whites try to hinder your mobility in society. I get that but instead of we being happy working with them why not manage them? Why not be the boss? That is the point I am trying to make. I tell this to my kids all the time.
            On there side, if you are honest, there is no any considerable contribution from blacks to wards what is today. Everything you see is the work of the whites. Let’s admit. So far the blacks are nothing but the burdens. Tell me what the accomplishments of the blacks are? Tell me?

          • Lebam

            Hello Ezana,

            You raised some good points, but the way you deliver them hurts blacks, especially your previous posts. I hope you can change that, brother. Because if you do it’ll be easier for people like myself to acknowledge your message. Blacks need to love and respect their skin colour and rich heritage, especially those of us in the West. We need to get better, we really do. However, one could say we are physically superior as well if we are going to generalize.

            I understand what you’re saying and as much as it hurts I can’t only blame the westerners for Africas misfortune, even though they raped Africa inside out and still do to an extent.

            Is African countries controlled by Africans, or by westerners pulling the strings?

            Other countries sucking Africa dry, which they have for centuries, is something that should provoke Africans to riot everywhere, since the people are not getting anything for it.

            Also, I’m worried we’ll get another dictator after IA gets removed when it comes to Eritrea.

        • Selam K.E.

          You said “I am black and ashamed…..”. Wow, this is a very serious declaration, I think.
          Are you speaking about the 1.5bn blacks on the planet earth, or are you speaking only about yourself, which i doubt?

          Is it possible to be ashamed for 30% of human beings, who happen to be black. One can only be ashamed for what he/she does, and not for the sake of other people, which is not under anyone’s control.

          You can teach you children about pride only if you show them that you are a proud black man, and this is true for every black person. The truth is that every human being is a proud and respectable creation. If a person reacts with shame when he/she is not respected, then there is a big problem

          • King Ezana

            Selam Horzon. I said ” I am black and ashamed of it” means just that. I was talking how I feel and I was talking about my personals. Now, how do you get from clearly ” I ” to be confused with “we”?

          • Teodros Alem

            Hi horizon
            Pride and respect are what u earn from your work, from your personality .it doesn’t come through race .
            I can’t respect a killer or a layer so don’t say everybody has pride.

          • Hi Teodros Alem,

            Before work and personality comes one’s humanity, and that is the thing every person has in common. This is what we have to respect first and foremost, before any professional achievements or whatever.

            A scientist and a simple manual laborer or farmer are equal in their humanity, and so are black and white people. Race is categorization attributed to human beings, and in reality, it plays no important role.

            May be one cannot respect a killer or any anti-social behavior, nevertheless, in many countries the law respects even the life of a mass killer (his humanity), which the murderer himself did not respect, and the death penalty is abolished.

            Finally, whatever one achieves in life is most of the time for the benefit of the individual, and not every white man changed the world for the better

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            Yes , according to any religion or common sense human beings from any background are respected but when they turn out to be lier, killers or thief thay are criminals, they lost thier pride and the law treat them as a criminal with respect

  • iSem

    H Binieam:
    The study about blacks having low IQ was done in Canada and it was discredited by all scientists about its methodology.
    But there are a lot of Arabs and whites who think so, yet the problems are self inflicted, African leaders with their wealth can change that but they are not willing, that alone is low IQ

    • Teodros Alem

      Hi isem
      I think so too that blacks have very low iQ. U can prove it by just observing black people all over the world, not through media but interactions with them.u see How complex they are , how hateful they are and so on.
      When most black graduates from university or got rich they will turn to stupid from low iq.

      • iSem

        Hi Ted:
        That is not IQ, it is nurture by the vision less, self-serving dictators. Low IQ of blacks is not true, it was blacks first designed the pyramids, started Al-jebra and started astronomoy, the egyptians, not the present ones though

        • Teodros Alem

          Hi i sem
          Why u think almost all black countries is poor?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Tedros,

        Do you have low IQ than the whites, teddy? What is your IQ reading? Why do you generalize the whole race? IQ has nothing to do with race. We have gone schools with the whites, and you might surprise, in most cases we excel them in classes. Usually, it all depends how we are exposed to educational environments and resources. So in every societies there are bright and less bright people. Second, there is no dull people, if they know their strength and their weakness.

        Regard

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Aman
          Your q shouldn’t be who is superior or inferior.
          Individually i know there is a lot of blacks excel whites but when it comes to community anybody can see the difference between the black and white throughout the world. Why u think is this big difference? It might not be lq but there is something wrong with black for sure.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Teddy,

            They did not get equal opportunity like us from their early ages. I will give you an example. When I was in an elementary school in the village I grew up, there was a kid who excel us and who jumped two classes between first grade and fourth grade. At that time there was a general exam from forth grade to fifth grade. He got the highest mark from our district. We have to go to a middle school in Debaroa, the only middle school in the district. Look now what happened to him: because the daily bread of the family can not be divide (they are poor), his parents could not send him to school and he became a farmer like his father. This brilliant kid, if he would have gotten a chance like us, or if his family income could have allowed him to continue his school like us, he would have been one of the top researchers from our generation. So again race has nothing to do with IQ or geniuses of a person.

            Regard

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Aman
            Ya aman we can blame lack of opportunity, politics and so on but how can we don’t see just one or two black countries at least to the slandered of like Iran , Latvia or s.n. Korea?
            I know opportunity and political stability matter. But camper n. Korea with Nigeria who got more opportunity? I have seen in one documentary Nigeria exported over 7 trillion dollar of oil since thier independence at the same time n.Korea is on sanctions since same time.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Teodros Alem,

            You have asked very important question: There is something wrong with black for sure.

            The problem my friend is that blacks give much value to the white colour though all colors are equal in value. Blacks should be proud by their color; the rest of all human setup is the same. The difference comes only on how industrious you are in all walks of life.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hameed, TsaTse, Tedros, K.H. and all,

            I think the question asked with regards the IQ of black people is inferior to other race is irrelevant in my opinion and it doesn’t merit to spend much time. Tedros if you want evidence, you can watch a movie Hidden Figures, based on true story of black female mathematicians who worked at NASA during the Space Race.

            How ever, why black people collectively as community are not doing well compared to the communities needs to be discussed and one have to be open about it.

            If we look at the US in particular, I think the incarceration of black people, the absence of fathers and the break down of family in the black community is, in my opinion is the real problem.

            In other words, I think the absence of black fathers in the well being of their families / children is the main problem. A flower, if you give it sun, if you water is, if you take out the weed, if you take away the bugs, it will grow and it will blossom. Children are the same..if you feed them, dress them, teach them, nurture them, protect them, love them, discipline them …they will do better no matter what.

            There is so much a government, a school, a church or community can do if the parents are not present.

            It is really hard work, day and day out for the parents.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            Agree completely. Not only the family father also the community father, the historical father, the father of civilizations are quasi absent or not highlighted. The references that black people have are poor corrupt countries and few sparse great individuals whose name are not even known to many. The black civilization that existed are not sufficiently vulgarized and taught in school. Instead, slavery especially the recent one has ovetaken every narrative of black history and has incapacitated the thinking mind to overcome this recent histilory and go beyond in a way the young black have good references and a certain pride.

      • King Ezana

        Selam Teddy, why do you think every well to and highly educated black people marry white women? You see my freind, the writing is on the wall. I can understand why the low IQ people failed to understand this very fact.

        • Teodros Alem

          Hi king ezana
          B/c successful black guys can afford to marry decent beautiful women. I also know a lot of white guys married with ethiopian(eritrean) women. Is noting to do with iq .

      • Selamat Tedros Alem,

        You are sounding like an idiot with a low iQ. Please have a certificate or ample experience with blacks or to back up your claims. Be cognizant on your contribution to the oppression of me by repeating the words of the oppressors methods for the African diaspora. Do yourself a favor and google inventions by black inventors. OR NOT and stay ignorant by worshiping and non blacks and keep loathing the presumably black skin that you define your mind, heart and soul. Hopeless and perhaps motivated by some political gamesmanship or false narrative. Do yourself a favor and do not challenge me or any one for I will make you look so silly and destroy any agenda you may gain. If you are simply weaping and need some consolation I will give you some slack. Don’t worry your gibberish talk doesn’t upset or have any effect on this black man or any other.
        I am simply following directive to disclose the frequency of my broadcasting. And contrary to some political strategists, it ain’t, politics that is, about the numbers or most popular. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
        criticize all you want the greed and it’s rule as well as the ignorant brainwashed few such as yourself who speak such nonsense as above. Don’t worry you are not by far the only one who speak gibberish even with eloquence and mimicked mannerism and speech who have been miseducating and contributing to the drag force, even in this very website. At times I question if the monkey see monkey do or join the mess you can’t beat it attitude and poor editorial judgment of the editors of AT at my favorite website and homepage is not driven solely for the accumulation of money due to greed. True and beneficial though it may have been to my personal benefit of increasing and broadening knowledge and interests, respectively. tSAtSE

        • Teodros Alem

          Hi
          Stupid people like u r the reason why all black countries r poor and miserable . And i wanna know why people like u turn out to be stupid? That was my main point. I know every race have stupid but why more stupid black like u? It might be iq or something else. What do u think almost all black countries are poor ?

          • Selamat Tedros Alem,

            I said: “You are sounding like an idiot with a low iq…”

            You are certain that I am stupid/an idiot/with low iq. “Stupid people like u r the reason why all black countries r poor and miserable . And i wanna know why people like u turn out to be stupid? ”

            well.. let me just go ahead and agree with you.

            tSAtSE
            PS. Berhe Y, appologize and then we shall engage. My time is precious.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear TsaTse,

          I guess you take this topic very seriestly, because you are not rapping, no other crypt-ed and hidden message that I have no idea what you wanted to say. So thank you.

          Now that out of the way, let me ask you clearly and I hope you answer it honestly.

          1) Do you think the black population in the US today at disadvantage today, economically, socially, compared to other races. While, Chinese, Jews, Italians, Korean, and including Habesha as an example.

          If the answer is Yes, what do you think it is?

          Berhe

  • Dis Donc

    Dear awate folks,
    Many moons ago I had read an article, written about Mugabwe, here in this site. At the time I didn’t think it was necessary to mention the wrongs I had observed. When mentioned Zimbabwe (or affectionatley known as Zim by their neighbors) it is important to remember the following.

    ZANU-PF: This party was the backbone of their independent movement that achieved its goal from White Minority rule, which came after Britain was forced to acknowledge Rhodesia. It is this party that majority black Zims steadfastly loyal to. That is not say that there are no other parties; they do exist but they have very few following. This is in addition to being very recently formed. Hence, the life long presidential election and re-election of Robert Mugabwe. I have travelled extensively and was surprised by his majority loyal followers. All classes of Zims do support him. The business class; because of stability. The middle class: becuase of not wanting to lose their mild income. The rest; because he is one of them! What is more surprising to me was the support that he has from the most rich Zims; including some whites that I talked with. They prefer the devil they know rather than the angel they do not know.

    Current Situation: After reading the above paragraph one should surmise that the skirmishes/shinanigans that we see today is nothing but a fight for want of continuity and security. That being said ZANU-PF has been performing very poorly of late; to which most of his bones with the west. The west and the elites have been asking the gov’t to increase liquidity as Zims’ currency had disappeared after hyper-inflation. Currently they use the USD and some bond notes (with a 1:1 ratio) that are meagre by their nature. And if one gets hold of these bank notes they trade them on black market at a very very low rate. This by itself is leading more to yet another inflation.

    In conclusion, my bnones with him is not wanting to hang on to power, after all he is an elected leader, rather the need to create an educated class. It was a highly developed nation, with a well established middle class citizens and a respectfully educated population. Since his coming to power, the educated class is shrinking and more finances are divested to tribal folks…. One gets the sense that the country is degrading very slowly (I must emphasies very slowly) and that is attributed to the lack of the above two entities thereby eroding its democratic institutions; which are nothing but relics of the past glory.

    • saay7

      Selam Disc Donc and all:

      My understanding of what’s happening in Zim is that an entirely ZANU-PF who will succeed Mugabe “debate”.

      Mugabe wants to clear the path for his wife and in that campaign he is supported by the Youth League of ZANU-PF;

      As part of clearing the path for her to be president, he gave her a PhD in sociology in two months (because he is the Chancellor of the University) and he attempted to remove alldebris, including one of the veterans of ZANU-PF

      The ZANU-PF veterans of the revolution are not happy with this and are taking “corrective measures” (cough cough) to protect the revolution.

      Because Mugabe is the embodiment of the revolution, all have to pledge their allegiance to him. Kinda reminds of me of how the Derg wasn’t after Haile Selasse but the corrupt criminals around him (allegedly) and once they completely isolated the emperor from his support system, then they went after him.

      And because we need all the essentials vitamins and irony, Mengistu is right there probably giving them advice on how to do it. Mengistu and the Chinese who taught all these revolutionaries on proper disposal of an aging revolutionary.

      saay

      • Dis Donc

        Dear say,
        Yes 100% correct. This fight has been brewing for a while now. Whoever comes in will have a really challenging governance of decades old mismanagement, for which quick answers will be illusive. That part of Africa has been hemorrhaging its educated citizens, either to South Africa or former British colonies. Without it ther will be nobody left to challenge whoever comes about setting presidential term limits. Which has been the stumbling block between him and the UK.

        When I get home I’ll try to write more…..

        • Selamat Dis Donc,

          Eagerly awaiting your inputs. Allow me to suggest, on a second though your valuable inputs and my suggestions I will include with my refined disclosure of the broadcasting frequency I will utilize.

          Again thank you.

          tSAtSE

      • iSem

        Hi Sal:
        Two counts of Exactly
        Exactly for your analytical comment onZim and exactly what iSem calls Eritrea Al-Haditha.
        Oh did I say Eritrea Al-Haditha when I could have said Haddas Eretra.
        You say same difference, Allah AKber and Egzhaber Abi ‘yu are different

        • saay7

          Hey iSem:

          I am a tougher grader and I give myself a B minus or C plus for my prognostication on Mengistus role in Zimbabwe’s coup. I figured he would be an advisor of some kind to the coup engineers but it appears he is THE advisor:

          According to high level army sources, Mengistu has been holding “several private meetings” at his farm in Vumba between February and April 2016 with senior military personnel, where as a hired consultant of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, he has allegedly proposed that the army steps in to resolve Mugabe’s succession before it is too late.

          “His (Mengistu) argument is that President Robert Mugabe’s succession issue has become so complex, such that only the military can step in with a solution,” said a senior officer based at Mutare’s 3 Brigade army base in confidentiality. “They want a military solution, through civilian architecture, because the warring factions in the ruling party could trigger a total collapse of the ruling party, and the President is thought to be open to a peaceful succession exit, which will not cost Zanu PF power, something which is within the orbit of the military, without having to stage a putsch.”

          It has also come to light that Mengistu, has now reportedly become an unofficial member, of the influential Joint Operations Command (JOC), and he sometimes travels to Harare for some consultation work, during which time he is rarely seen at his upmarket Gunhill mansion.

          Source: Spotlight Zimbabwe

          Your next assignment iSem is to find parallels between Mugabe and Isaias.

          saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            Mugabe and IA have paralles but they do meet, like the two lines which could ony meet if Allah wills: I know I am beating this thing to death. I cannot help it, it is embedded, built-in:-)
            So both believe single handedly crafted and liberated their nations, both have sole-ownership of their nations, both were once promising .
            Your assignment, which I know u will do in a heart beat is, find their differences.
            Read my mind and humor me:-)

          • Selamat iSEM and Admiral Sa^2yV^II,

            Gentlemen, I am afraid at best both of your grades are D+.

            I almost forgot mentioning, to Haw Abuye the gitSAtSE Ayya Ismael AA, henceforth is on the need to know basis with regards to AmErigitSAtSE’s broadcasting transmission and I started to pound on the keyboard with my usual MO.

            you two arrreeee sooooo WRONG! but “you are not wrong.”

            I will just give the following hint for now:
            iSEM = “Ay QebaH” = blink. Lets just say now it is a threeway neck to neck race which will be determined by the length equal to a horse’s nose.

            AmEritrean gitSAtSE A40 A40 Acres and a Mule

            PS: Fanti Ghana, Ayya Amanuel Hidrat, Ayya Ismael AA, berhe y, blink; STAY TUNED.

          • saay7

            Hi Antman:

            You know how iSem loves proverbs. When confronted with the incomprehensible, Egyptians say “I would fly if I understood”. He will tell you what it means but consider me grounded.

            saay

          • Ay Ay Admiral Sa^2yVII,

            The Egyptians are right. “grounded” is an excellent and mater factly happens to be closer to the truth not only for yourself, yours truly but also for all humans. Though humans are capable to fly machines, no human in reality utilizing only his/her/its physiology. ….
            ….
            (the following three dot sequence I am utilizing to indicate to you that I am have skipped pages or chapters if not an entire book…)

            Now that I have your attention with the fib #1 as in telling “a lie, typically unimportant one”, a fortuitous gain is the more important Fib#2. An “accidental discovery” or group dynamics though you may attribute it to with Egyptian or Texan’ sayings, all the while your right eyebrow is raised while your left brow and lashes are squinting signifying even more focus.

            Admiral Saay7, as I have stated to the Eritrean gitSAtSE Ayya Ismael AA, I am duty bound to comply with your directives while I transmit to you all the corrective measures for your consideration to implement. as you are the Chief Commander and the Admiral of our entire Merakhibna Fleet, any and all corrective measures I must transmit with my patented M.O., for the obvious reason which is, per my duty, to ensure your Top command and leadership is not be challenged so that your directives are respected and followed by the rank and file.
            And so I will connect Fib#2 “…pasta” and draw the attention of the readers to your wisdom in arriving at 1. Egypt with the saying 2. Humans abilities to fly
            A) Our resident Eri gitSAtSE Ayya Ismail AA will remind you, above Nebuchadnezzar’s Hanging Gardens of Babylon, ranked second to The Colossus of Rhodes is The Great Pyramid of Giza. I suspect Admiral Sa^2yVII, (more like theorising, calculating and en rout to proving), what we refer to now as Fibonacci numbers, is behind the geometrical design of the Great Pyramid of Giza. And man’s ability of flying, telekinetically lifting his and her body is perhaps a great secret painstakingly hidden/buried with the intricate tools of what we know now as Fibonacci. No not a pasta as is not string theory in quantum physics.
            Yes, Dear Admiral Sa^2yVII, you are not wrong to say “grounded” and mention Egypt which is the location of the 2nd of VII Wonders of the World. The EEinaib of the IIIrd World Wonder, Eritrean gitSAtSE Ayya IsmaelAA EEyunn would be when I write it as II V II – 2nd of SEVENth. Admiral Sa^2yVII, I am quite sure sees II V II as the “Live Long and Prosper” salute from his #1 Captain – V AmEritrean GitSAtSE

            b) _* 1, 11, 111, 11111 or 0*, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, … 377 are the first 13 Fibonacci sequence. Just look any of the four faces of the pyramid….

            Now that I am hopeful to have clarified fib#1 and fib#2, I will return to my post to complete the project you have delegated to your trusted subordinate Captain gitSAtSE.

            This maintaining of a strong STAND on X + VII behind my earlier statement, “WRONG and while “not wrong” to General iSEM (= “Ay QebaH”) and you Admiral Sa^2yVII is only a testament the honorable with full integrity discharge of my duty as Captain which you have entrusted me with confidence. To tell you are WRONG Admiral without fear out of the respect, confidence and high regard I believe you to be as the Admiral of Merakhibna. To do otherwise would be deriliction of duty.

            And so I leave with the assurance that AmErigitSAtSE will comply with the directive of disclosing the frequency of broadcasting in lesser time than,
            the iSEM(=Ay QebaH), Berhe Y(=”Light way”) and the Admiral account analytically without a FIB, yes as in fib#1, for the purposes of unconfusing , as Ayya Ismail AA put it , the “Sailors and Seafarers passengers on the ship” the connect to these TWO:

            1. The World Health Organization, WHO’s comic relief short weekend sitcom with the cast of Mugabe of Zimbabwe and WHO’s chair and Dr. Tedros of Ethiopia
            2. “parents told little white fibs about out-of-wedlock births” in the Eritrean context as was recently AMPED up, the Eritrean-Ethiopian context, as well as the PanAficanist context.

            No no Atto Berhe Y, please reconsider as to whom “SHOULD GROW UP!” as well as identify with integrity who is speaking HYPE and who is self denigrating.

            I assure you IT AIN’T Dr. Dre… and CERTAINLY not Amari 2PAC Shakur–with all due respect, Emancipate YOURSELF from mental slavery SIR!

            I will not get all self righteous and say “up until now I was merely baby bottle feeding those who knowingly and or unknowingly continue to contribute to OUR ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT while calling us ‘overgrown babies’ and STUPID.”
            I demand a public apology from you Berhe Y– OR NOT, for it has always been, as it will be evident in the soon to be disclosed “broadcasting frequency”, nothing but a small thing to a GITSATSE!

            Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution STAND on ’17!
            AmEritrean GitSAtSE Azzilo40 Agnieya40 Acres and a Mule.

            PS: more dynamic on the same frequency goes a long way. Gratuitous! Ay Ay Admiral Sa^2yVII
            &
            blink this is akin to the tip of the iceberg, as in the 1st I of the I, II, III, IIIII, IIIIIIII. i.e. 1st of the 7 wonders of the world which is The Colossus of Rhodes.. the problem man relying on his own understanding as opposed to relying with all his and her heart and soul a strong faith on God, could and will be explained scientifically utilising “Fibonacci sequence” — for beyond man’s and every creation in the whole wide universe, cause for your effarement is ZERO and Infinity. Carefully and SCIENTIFICALLY STUDY the above, consult with professor paulo denmarikino Arekey if you must, but know that your savior Jesus LOVES YOU!!! as I leave you with the following share from my class:
            Proverbs 3:5-6King James Version (KJV)

            5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

            6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

            King James Version (KJV)

          • blink

            xaxe
            Many people are doing it and i am sure he does not need my eyes ,There was a time that everybody believed that the Earth was flat. All philosophers and prophets concurred and the common sense confirmed it. Yet it was not true.

  • iSem

    Hi All;
    while we discuss Africa starting from Asmara, to the European exploitation and now the coup, here is a disturbing report by Neema, a Sudanese and CNN international reporter about Africans being sold in a auction where people bid on them like goods, they refer to them as “biddaa” Arabic for goods.
    The guy can dig, he is strong, the sellers says and people bid. Well, the human trafficking and organ harvesting was was his for long time, but what is most disturbing about this is the brazen nature of the sellers to bring their “goods” to an open market

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/11/13/libya-migrant-slave-auction-lon-orig-md-ejk.cnn

    • blink

      Dear isem
      Did not you know Arabs trade human beings for centuries? That is what they do . They are trading human organs and little Syrian girls as small as 12 years old girl to serve a very rich fat Arab mans need. Arabs do trade human beings until now they never stopped , it is just not the prime news for most news organizations.

      Also you forgot the Issaias are sanctioned again even though the reason for the sanctions are politically motivated by WEYANE and Djibouti using some Eritreans minions to do the dirty work. No money for arms to PFDJ not bad but I am sure this will not be interesting.

      • iSem

        Hi Blink:
        of course, I know, and there is this poet some where from there, who once said/wote, if you buy a slave, do not forget to buy a stick
        Well, I hope they renew the sanctions, the disintegration of Libya may have enabled criminals to trade ppl, but that is the wrong focus, the right question is the Arabs and others too are doing the slave selling, the African governments are not protecting their citizenship, If PFDJ wanted, they could stop the human trafficking in Eritrea immediately.
        criminals commit crimes, smugglers smuggle, and legitimate and true governments serve and protect, IA and others governments are equally criminal like the slave traders
        Stupid, Gadddif,paid up the families of the plane crash he committed, he stopped his nukes and then he was murdered, and 40 years later, with all the wealth he has nothing to show for after massacring his own people and his death was good for humanity. NATO, well, we can hold them morally responsible, but they are working on behalf of their own interest, which is good and also half of the Libyans wanted their help, also good.
        Everyone for the interest of his people.
        If I have not said it, the sanctioni on IA and gang is a sacred thing, when IA minds his own business and not support terrorist and work for the interest of Eri and its people, the sanctions will stop

  • Selam all,

    Why is that nobody is saying anything about this news?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41992351

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Horizon,

      It’s still a developing story. As soon the dust settles, I am sure there will be much to be said. Our Ethiopian justice seeker friends would be eager to know about what will happen to Mengistu Hailemariam. Whether the successor regime to Mr. Mugabe will be willing to extradite him or not is an anticipated and interesting development. The man should stand before court of law to answer some serious questions before he dies.

      • Dear Ismail AA,

        You brought a very interesting point which eluded my memory, and has become almost a forgotten story, and that was dictator MHM. What will be his fate in post mugabe zimbabwe, would be interesting to know. Nevertheless, I think that most probably both men (mugabe and mhm) will be spared the wrath of the people, mugabe as the revolutionary who brought independence, and mhm as the person who helped zimbabwe’s independence.

        What I had in mind was, if the things that are happening in zimbabwe could be copied and implemented in eritrea’s case. I believe that change can come only from the eritrean armed forces, although I could be wrong. Nevertheless, a similar scenario in eritrea will be interesting to discuss, its pros and cons.

        Most probably mugabe, his wife and I think his brother, the minister of defence, are under house arrest, although the military is declaring its allegiance to the president. What may follow could be, mugabe resigning by using old age as a pretext, his wife spending some term in prison, the army consolidating its power by avoiding provocation of mugabe’s supporters and by putting some prominent people of the previous government behind bars, and forming a new zimbabwe government, at the beginning under the control of the military, and if the country is fortunate enough, elections and a civilian government in a year’s time.

        Let us wait and see, as you said

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Horizon,

          Your anticipation that Mengistu and Mugabe could benefit from their roles in the past in the eyes of the people of Zimbabwe while other factors might not be ruled out like in the case of human rights groups and some countries in the West who may want to take revenge for Mugabe’s policies on the crucial question of land and its distribution. Moreover, it will take sometime before we know what the political set up in the country in genera is, and how the power centers are aligned. The latter are important in highly centralized and authoritarian conditions at times of transition from the old to the new orders. The military will have better chance to settle the question of power and its patriotism would play good role in smooth transition if the country will be spared from foreign interferences. Add to this how the sizable elites of the country will repond to the situation.

          As to the Eritrean army playing change effecting role like in Zimbabwe, the regime has done quite a lot to rid the army brass of any patriotically worthy generals that could distinguish between saving the nation and its people and loyalty to their despotic boss. The known army command elements are blind worshippers of the despot. Anyway, in politics nothing can be taken for granted or ruled out. We will wait and see in both countries.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          If Mugabe is deposed and New Democratic government is installed, one hopes the new government to extradite Mengstu Hailemariam back to Ethiopia, to face the Ethiopian court of justice for the crimes he committed to the Ethiopian people. The fate of Mengstu is tied up with the fate of Mugabe.

          Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            I don’t know much about the coup and problems in Zimbabwe, just read it here. But from what I can tell, Zimbabwe is a democratic government and Mugabe or his government never missed any elections. I agree if it’s truly democratic state with all the freedoms and accountable government that are associated with but Mugabe, I think he won elections and he was followed the constitution of the government.

            The coup seems to be a conflict who will take over when he departs ( between his vice president who was dismissed recently and his wife). It seems the army (those who took over the government) seem to support the vice president (old guard like Mugabe) and purge his wife and her advisers.

            If they succeed, it will be business as usual for Mugabe party Zanu-PF to continue to rule with the support of the army. As far as Ethiopia dictator MH, I think he will be safe as long as Zanu-PF takes over power.

            Honestly thought, I don’t think the Ethiopia government have made series efforts to extradite him. I think think they chose to ignore the issue rather than making series efforts. May be they are worried and do not want to set precedence that will come to hunt them.

            When someone asked IA why Eritrea is not doing about the crimes committed by Mengistu and he response was “mergemNa yibeSHo yKewn” but I think both Isayas and Melles have agreed to let him go and never try to extradite him when they brokered a deal for his exist in London.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Berhe,

            Election only in itself doesn’t make a government to be called a democratic government. There are many prerequisite or criteria to it. I don’t think you can miss it. To mention some additional criteria: constitutionalism, rule of law. The Mugabe government have jailed their opponents without due process. They turn elections they lose. They suppressed grievances of the Zimbabwean people.

            Aljazeera has posted Zimbabwe military’s statement after seizing power. We shall see how the situation will develop. They are not clear in their statement, in fact he doesn’t look against Mugabe and defense minister of the Zimbabwean army. He is only hinting to stop the corrupted leaders within the governments. They might purge some as oppose to change the government of Mugabe.

            Regard

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Well, elections alone does not make a country a democracy, you remember the beating, the arrests. The process is part of it, there is no perfect process and there are glitches, but if a widespread collusion is not found, and the checks and balances work on a balance, then we can call it a democracy
            In Canada, the PCs once mislead voters and won a seat, your remember mr. Poutinne?
            Also, the Harper parliametary secretary was led in handcuff as he over spent on his election, these are isolated incidents and do happen in every election
            I will have to follow the coup in Zumbabwe, if it is the case Mugabe will be sad, “Zimbabewe” is mine

          • blink

            Dear isem
            So do your weyane did election and called by your west a democratic country and even Obama praised them . Weyane the no voice from people of Ethiopia sit in the security council and talk about rights.

          • iSem

            Blink,
            I never heard anyone call Ethiopia democratic, even I never heard myself, but one fact is clear, my woyane is far better than your PFDJ, in every parameter, name any I am sure you will blink if you have human eyes;-)

          • blink

            Dear iSem
            Yes we both has to ask the Oromo and Amhara, we can get a very clear answer that we both could agree on.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            I am not saying Mugabe is the best Zimbabwe can have. What I am saying is, we can call him what ever we want but he was elected leader. Now was he elected by intimidation, or by stealing the election or was he elected by majority of his supporters. I think he was elected by the majority.

            Remember, Mugabe become an issue not because of what he did to his people and how he led his country, but because he passed a law that takes away rich fertile land from the white land owners.

            One can argue if that’s a good decision or not, but not out of an ordinary political decision. I don’t think those while land owners got the land by legal means…they got it using colonialism and any leader can make a decision to change the law to take back the land.

            As to the problems with the election, I think it should have been investigated (may be it has) like any other election irregularities.

            Berhe

          • Legacy

            Hi Berhe,
            Mugabe’s election carries as much credibility as EPRDF’s 100% win election. He was never elected . This man is a charlatan ; a huckster and a leacher. Under the disguise of fighting “colonialism” , he looted , runsacked and exploited the country’s resources for his own benefit. There are natural resources-rich African countries and then there are those that are truly resource-rich countries. Zimbabwe is one of those incredibly resource-rich nations. Yet, this corrupt , dumb and buffoon man reduced this nation from the “breadbasket of Africa” to a “tinpot” Third World county.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Legacy,

            I agree to the way he corrupted the country and how he squandered the resources of the country.

            But aren’t the people of Zimbabwe carry responsibility for electing him election after election gave him the majority?

            The fact that he was standing for election and the people have voted him, in my opinion, makes his presidency legitimate, how ever bad the outcome was.

            Berhe

          • Legacy

            Hi Berhe,

            Define “ election” is my answer. After all , Mengistu was also elected.

            In any case, election isn’t the issue but what happened to this country under his supervision.

            BTW, given the turmoil the country has endured, how come there isn’t a large Zimbabwean diaspora community in the US?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Legacy,

            Mengistu was elected but he allowed only one party. That’s not free an fair election / with standard democracy principle. One man one vote with free and fair election.

            Well, democracy and election doesn’t guarantee a good leader. What they guarantee is that, the people realize if they made a mistake in electing a wrong leader, and correct it in the next time around. You see sometimes the west says democracy / election to the developing world but when the person they don’t like / approve got elected they wanted to change the rule of the game. They tried to do it many times in Valenzuela (Hugo Chavez), Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood / Morsy), Lebanon (Huzbulah) and Iran.

            If you are saying the election of Mugabe all these years were not free and fair, then I may agree with you. But what policy he implemented when he was given a mandate (majority) but the people then, it’s not the fault of the election / democracy. It’s the fault of the people who elected him again and again.

            Berhe

          • Selam Legacy,

            Yes, mugabe is all the things you said, nevertheless, the one who is supposed to be pulling the string from behind the scene, the previous vice-president, seems to be a worse demon, from what we read. He is one of the old guards who fought in the liberation war, has committed crimes post independence, hated by many, and he is said to be one of the people who could be called worse than mugabe.

            If indeed he is the one to come after mugabe, nothing will change, could even be worse, for this is africa, where LF leaders believe that they have the monopoly of power, because they fought for it, the same way tplf and eplf(pfdj) believe.

            Lady mugabe was too ambitious, and her ambition may have been one of the reasons for this uncertainty. In addition, mugabe’s dementia made him believe that the love for power is until his death, a disease that affects many african dictators.

            Let’s hope for the sake of the people of zim. that better days and better leaders are coming

          • Sekam Amanuel H.,

            BBC reports that robert mugabe is under house arrest, the where about of grace mugabe is not known, and the vice-president has returned from south africa.

            Indeed, MHM’s fate is tied to that of robert mugabe. If I remember well, mhm had travelled to SA for medical care in the past w/o any problem, and I am afraid that he might try the SA card, if he feels in danger. Anyway, he will not feel safe and relaxed anymore with mugabe gone.

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Amanuel
            You said “ for the crime he committed over Ethiopian people? Are you forgetting many places in Eritrea like sheib ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Blink,

            Not really Blink. I think as a leader of Ethiopia, it is easier for Ethiopia to request extradition of Mengistu. Otherwise, whether we could be successful in getting him or not, the Eritrean government could also demand for it. The issue is how the extradition demand could be successful this criminal beast.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            I have this idea for many years and it is like this , why Eritreans didn’t take this MHM on their own hands, I mean how could we sleep well while mengstu breath air on this planet. Are the Zimbabweans too strong on protecting MHM ? I would like to see MHM in Alem bekagni prison to rotten but I think we Eritreans very very nice people and forgiving people. Let’s hope the monster get his hand before his death. When I saw kibtset it boils my stomach.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Hi Blink,
            Mengistu Hailemariam was already sentenced by the highest court in Ethiopia. The next step is for a government in Zimbabwe to extradite him. I agree with you that Eritrea should have brought him to its own court for crimes against humanity. But the allegations out there are that the Eritrean government chose a different path which failed. There was a certain Solomon Haile Ghebremicael arrested in Zimbabwe for attempting to kill Mengistu.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear blink, we Eritreans have helped Ethiopians rid themselves of the menace of MHM, but, unfortunately, we’ve put in place one of the worst dictator on Earth, DIA, who has essentially monopolized all powers to him, and made our country a slave country. The DIA regime cannot do justice to MHM, while it is incapable of delivering justice to its own people.

          • Mazingu

            hello Blink…
            I am assuming you r an eritrean, right? why didn’t you do it. you have the idea for so many years by your own admission. oh, i got it, you’re just waiting for someone else to do it for you, i wish you shared your wishes in a timely manner. such a typical opportunist eritrean. it’s not going to happen. but if you’re dying to do it, you don’t have to go that far, you have a home grown dictator, think about that.
            Good luck…haha..

        • Legacy

          Hi Horizon,
          This coup will not last . It lacks the “killer instinct “
          Mengistu will be okay. The generals do like him and will receive their protection. More importantly, if EPRDF was bent on getting him it had ample apportunity to nab him. Once one makes a residence at IV Killo one is less motivated to inquire on its previous resisdent.
          There is more disincentive for a mutiny within the Eritrean Armed forces. Dismantling the miltary economic enterprise will lead to hyperinflation in labor cost (currently it is zero) and will be difficult to sustain the curren standard of living for the men in uniform.

          • blink

            Dear legacy
            Weyane didn’t want MHM to go to prison for many reasons after all it was the derg rifraf who picked the gun for weyane dirty war with Eritrea, second they don’t want to disappoint the Ambo people more.

          • Legacy

            Hi Blink,
            Troll.

          • blink

            Dear legacy
            Just like weyane crony legacy

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Horizon, I don’t think these kinds of events would take place in Eritrea by the army. There is absolutely null tolerance for dissent in the country, and the army is not a distinct institution with any meanigful powers.It is under the full control of DIA and his security and led by uneducated struggle era fighters without any kind of benevolent feelings for their people, otherwise they had lots of opportunities to act on behalf of the suffering people. Eritrea is in a hopeless situation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abraham,

            The Eritrean army is the army of the party. It is not the army of the Eritrean people who could defend the constitution of the people and the rights of the Eritrean people. Once the leaders of the army are entrenched in the party as that of China and North Korea, there is no any chance of viable coup in Eritrea. They will defend their interest as part of the the party interest.

            Regards

          • Thomas

            Hi Amma,

            I don’t know if the Eritrean Amy is the army of the ruling party, but I can safely say it sounds it is not there to protect the Eritrean people (may be they are there to protect the land though they seem weakened). I do agree that the army is lead by the generals loyal to the dictator. So, our national army does not seem to know that they were supposed to be protecting and serving the people and the nation. I strongly believe this is the reason for where we are now. Eritrea is liberated but the army thinking is still EPLF (made to think like EPLF instead of EDF).

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Aman, me and you have this never ending argument about whether the system governing Eritrea is really a system or not. I would not say the military leaders have a feeling of loyalty to any party-which party? except to that of their master DIA. Do they have any say in any party? They are only interested to keep their spoils and leftovers from the dictator. They are simply a bunch of uneducated folks who no not care neither for their people nor for any party.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abraham,

            Tell me institutionally the difference of Red army and the Eritrean army, and the way they behave to their respective people. Visualize, the Red army during the cultural revolution in the 60s and contemplate about the Eritrean army, and if you are sincere you will find many factors that makes them the same. If we fail to understand the nature of the system we have we will never overcome the government of Essayas and the system that paralyze the lives of the Eritrean people.

            Regards

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Aman, I’m not a history expert or even a student, hence I can’t engage in the kind of debate you are inviting me to. However, I’m of the opinion that the Eritrean army is an army made of conscripts/warsay, and ruled by warlord style stupid uneducated and uncivilized struggle era gangs, whose loyalty is only towards their master DIA.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma, Abreham and all,

            What I don’t agree with you is that, we are certain in our assumption 100% what we say is correct. How can we speak the entire Eritrean army, including the high ranking officials are all corrupt and serve the party or the one man.

            Isn’t Wedi Ali part and parcel of the army? Why he chose to take the action he decided to take?

            Aren’t there any wedi Ali left in the whole Eritrean defense forces? Aren’t there good people at all that they see what’s happening in the country but they do not have the means or the time to make their move?

            How can we be so certain when in fact we don’t at all but it’s just a wild guess.

            We were saying peaceful demonstration is NOT possible in Asmara. We were saying the army and the police will mow down the people. Akria proved us all wrong? The army shot to the sky, and the people demonstrated. What more proof do we actually believe that, Eritrean people are like all other people who can have dictators and dictator worshiping lots as well as democrats and fighters for democratic rights.

            Berhe

  • said

    Greetings,
    King Ezana and Blink
    King your statement in saying (let alone, violent religion like Islam. For once, I agree with government of Eritrea) is quite a statement to put it mildly.You will find my respond to you below
    Blink You being making all kind unnecessary connections about sharia, fatwa, your useless an helpful question about Aldia School, digging how it is founded and managed and so on, is waste of time and you are an apologist for the PFDJ and you sound as party faithful, even when you tells you are against PFDJ . Regime massacred young student, it is most horrible and deadly shocking event in the street of Asmara and nothing else real matter. I didn’t want to come across as disrespectful or egotistical in any way, you free to believe in what you want to be as an atheist ,millions leave religion around the world and go their life .But you are somehow have anti-Muslim feelings, you come across as disingenuous and you have no respect for your fellow Eritrean grieving and saddened by death of innocent student and Eritrean who are suffering under brutal regime and to the whims of a single individual ruler and in the total absence of elected Democratic Institutions and an Independent Modern Judiciary. Regime known to cause turmoil and Sectarian tensions in Eritrea. IA has ruled with an iron hand since independence and driving a once-prosperous economy into bankruptcy
    Your obvious Islamophobic bigotry as you are, you may get self-satisfaction and falsely feel empowered at the moment. You are in same league and footstep with those Islamophobic white supremacists bigot, Islamophobia it is widespread world wide, Eritrea Muslim feel they being denied their religious freedom, fundamental right to a safe, spiritual, and resourceful space , the Muslim community are adopting peaceful demonstration and pacifist attuited and their harmonies coexistence, is their clear message .
    King Let give you clear quotation from holy Quran: Whoever kills a Soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land — it is as if he had slain mankind entirely,” Elnakib, 63, “And whoever saves one — it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.” There is no enmity between Eritrean people,” we all grieving we are all in pain.
    King Now let us look as reported at what some well-known NON -Muslim Scholars think about the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and his achievements:
    ·Muhammad saved the human civilization from extinction. – J.H. Denison in his book .The Emotions As The Basis Of Civilization· He laid the foundation of a universal government. His law was one for all.
    Equal justice and love for everyone. – George Rivoire- Visages de l’islam
    · Mohammad’s religion reformed all existing dogmas and brought the Arabs ahead of the super powers of the time. – Dr.Marcus Dode- Mohammad.
    · Mohammad introduced the concept of such Glorious and Omnipotent God in whose eyes all worldly systems are pieces of straw. Islamic equality of mankind. No human mind has ever thought of such total as established by Mohammad. – Dr. Mawde Royden.
    · The message of Mohammad is not a set of metaphysical phenomena. It is a complete civilization. – W.A.R Gibb-Whither Islam
    C.H. Haskins (7) said: ‘The broad fact remains that the Arabs of Spain were the principal source of the new learning for Western Europe.’
    They are the ones who placed the fundamentals from which modern civilization advanced. Whoever reviews the ‘Dictionary of Technical Terms for Aerospace’ 8 would certainly conclude that sixty percent of the known stars are given names that are derived from Arabic.
    The books and works of early Muslim scholars were the main resource texts which the West benefited from, especially the Europeans who used these works during the Renaissance period. Many of these texts were used in European universities.
    Marquis of Dufferin and Ava said:
    ‘It is to Mussulman science, to Mussulman art, and to Mussulman literature that Europe has been in a great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages.’ 9
    Again J.H. Denison said:
    ‘In the fifth and sixth centuries the civilized world stood on the verge of a chaos. The old emotional cultures that had made civilization possible, since they had given to men a sense of unity and of reverence for their rulers, had broken down and nothing had been found adequate to take their place. It seemed then the great civilization which it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order was unknown. The old tribal sanctions had lost their power. The new sanctions created by Christianity were working division and destruction instead of unity and order. It was a time fraught with tragedy. Civilization, like a gigantic tree whose foliage had overarched the world and whose branches had borne the golden fruits of art and science and literature, stood tottering rotted to the core. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? It was among these people that the man (Muhammad) was born who was to unite the whole known world of the east and south.10
    Kind let me brief and remained you, just one example ,I am sure you read history of World War I at your high school ,European powers who were willing to slaughter youthful generations in the trenches of World War I, Thirty million soldiers were killed or wounded and another seven million taken captive during World War I. Some 50 to 100 million perished from a flu epidemic created by the war. “Never before,” writes author and activist David Swanson, “had people witnessed such industrialized slaughter, with tens of thousands falling in a day to machine guns and poison gas.”

    • blink

      Dear said
      Both Abrahamic religion are based on war and lies, I am not selective about Islam, trust me I only raised sheria because it still has legs left , not that I wanted to remind you. From the time of the Muhammad, the final prophet of Islam, many Muslim states and empires have been involved in warfare so cut this all crap wudase , I am not hating any religious person, I just see religion as an obstacle for him and others. I am not selective only to Islam, may be you misunderstood me. Islamiphobia is far far from me, you have no clue what islamphobia looks like , if you wanted to know please call 5 star activists in Italy or right wing polish politicians, they will explain to you.
      You are a preacher and preaching must be good as you trying but no , religion has nothing to offer , forget Islam the later , all religions based development is hypocrisy and pure lie told by preachers. Yes Islam at the old times was tolerant because people were more culturally engaged than religious but to remind you all the falsely made point about saving the world from disaster is pure lie. Islam and Christianity saved nothing, both are anti enlightenment, anti scientific efforts. Any one who tells the truth about any religion is seen as bigoted by the believers.

      Said you can’t handle the truth so you run to paint like islamophobia ,it is a fairytale to me.

    • Alex

      Hi Said,
      You stated above “Regime massacred young student”. Is some thing happen in Asmara except the demonstration by Aldia School around Oct 31. Or you throwing the word recklessly with out any proof. Eventhough I oppose the Gov decision on the arrest of school children and school board, we have to be careful in what we say about that day that might not be true.

  • Aklilu Zere

    Good day and good season Awate Nation

    Good brother Sal wrote: ” And then, some psychiatrist, should explain what is it about the Eritrean regime that makes it go after 80 and 90 year old men: is there any other government in the world that arrests people that age?”

    Rather than psychiatry I shall base my answer in wisdom:

    Isaias and the care takers [nowadays I doubt that Isaiasis is in full control] are devoid of the four Cardinal Virtues that guide good people and as such good governments. The four cardinal virtues are:

    1. Prudence: the virtue that allows a good person to JUDGE correctly what is Right and What is Wrong in Any Given Situation. [ To imprison and torture older people; women and children who done nothing wrong is to be devoid of prudence]

    2. Justice: The constant and permanent Determination to give EVERYONE His or Her Rightful Due. [Isaias and the care takers never gave anyone his or her rightful due]

    3. Fortitude/Courage: The virtue that always serves the higher virtues of Prudence and Justice. It is the virtue that helps good people to STAND UP for what is Right even when others say that Moral action is “outdated”. [Isaias and the care takers are masters of cowardice and they always go after the meek, weak and the helpless]

    4. Temperance: It is the “Golden Mean” that helps Good people DETERMINE how FAR they can act on their Desire. [Isaias and the care takers are obssessed with execessive power, corruption and violence]

    If we measure Isaias and the care takers of present day Eritrea agaist these virtues their failure is STARK & ABSOLUTE on all of them. All their actions and reactions are devoid of prudence, justice, courage and moderation. They are corrupted and thus became corrupters of GOOD.

  • Selam iSem,

    The white man may not have left africa, and that is one of the reasons africans remain socially and economically underdeveloped, and the legacy of colonization is still pitting africans countries against each other. Of course, african leaders are doing their part in the business of robbing and committing crimes.

    If african leaders robe their peoples, they have no problem in transferring and hiding the money. There are swiss banks, british offshore companies and others, that facilitate their robbery. If they want to buy weapons to kill their people, they can pay with blood diamonds or otherwise. The white man is ready to accept them, and it goes on.

    “if fortunes were reversed africans would do the same to the whiteman/people”, is really a very good way to absolve the white man from the crimes he has committed against africans in the past, and is still doing so, especially through unfair economic transactions. It cannot be all the fault of africans, and africans are not getting over the white man. If in places like the usa, where black people are shot by the police simply because they happen to be black, could not be a misunderstanding by the victim. One should remember what a cop said, when he stopped a white woman’s car: “we kill only black people, mam”. Therefore, we cannot erase the crimes of slavery and colonialism, by telling africans to move beyond the white man.

    What the italians left behind in eritrea may have been the result of italian engineering, nevertheless, it was built by eritrean sweat, tears and blood, and therefore, they are much more eritrean. If the chinese construct roads, railways and dams, it is ethiopians that are going to pay for them, and therefore, they are ethiopian. Ethiopians and eritreans can not start inventing the wheel now. They can pay for the already existing technology. The difference is that the white man took everything and gave nothing in return to the indigenous people. The little they left behind is because they were forced to, and not because they cared for their colonies.

    You say that if the usa used the atomic bomb against japan, it was in self-defense, even if the outcome of the war was already decided, and japan was not a nuclear power, and therefore, it was no crime. If the usa had used the dirty bomb after 9/11 somewhere it thought its enemies are, this also may have been called in self-defense. In this case, there is nothing that can protect countries who do not own the bomb from those who own it, for the use of an atomic bomb can be labelled in self-defense, even in a conventional war. Therefore, all countries should own it.

    You do not think that slavery and colonialism were worse than the crimes by the nazis or the derg or HSI. Well, it is a matter of opinion. Nevertheless, comparing crimes does not diminish their effect and severity, especially for those who found themselves at the receiving end.

    • iSem

      Hi Horizon:
      The topic is broad,but let me say thes:
      The rail-road and caffes that we pound our chests about are symbols of slavery and exploitation, they should be reminders not something to be proud of
      About the Africans who stash their money in the white banks and buying guns, I do not agree for the whites to allow it but guns do not shoot themselves, people pull the trigger, guns to do not commit murders during red terror, the human being Mengistu and his evil hentch men did, and the burning of villages, the fires did not ignite themselves, the tanks did not drive themselves, if Ethiopia has invented self driving thanks, then I say, they the tanks did not program themselves, people did. So you can hold the gun merchants and the banks morally responsible but the one who does the stealing and pulling the trigger and spilling the blood are the main criminals, it seems you are absolving the Africans of the crimes against their own people and blaming the exploitation, I blame both but if I would sentence the one who pull the trigger to death and the seller/collaborators and enablers to life in prison with parole with with good behavior in 20 years.
      Bu this none sense the white man did this 150 years ago and now he is whispering to us proves one thing: that you are stupid (Not you horizon)
      How is the one million blood by red terror not the same like slavery, are you talking about numbers or the pain it inflicted, I am talking about the later.

      You are kidding about the second ww? I am not been insensitive , but you got to defend your self in the face of the evils, even if the war was almost won, it is cold, hard, truth. We cannot pretend to be saints here, am not just to drop the bomb on Libya and Iraq, no need to, why use sledge hammer while a stone can do
      I

  • said

    Greetings
    Aftermath Eritrean independence, the dynamics of Christian and Islamic strong faith being degraded and essentially hollowed out. The civilisations of the peoples, our various ethnic cultures and traditions being marginalized, our faith in religions, political traditional philosophies and institutions, were eroded or even destroyed by PFDJ. Islam, along with Christianity, s inseparable from life in Eritrea. Many strands of Islam intersect in the region, including multiple branches of Sufism and 4 schools of Sunni. And many branch of Sufism like Sufi mystic Qadiriyya and Sufi pacifism or pragmatist. While obviously there are insignificant differences among them. This body of texts broadly partakes of Islamic culture, but it is not defined by its adherence to, or divergence from, specific religious doctrines. as well structured according to customary law, ‘adat, as well as shari’a ruling as a legal dispensation. Is not better known to some Eritrean.
    Eritrean nationalistic identity are more defined than in religious terms and this define for Muslim and Christian. One hope that Diversity produces acceptance ,tolerance and understanding . Eritrea exceptionally one of the few in regions of the Muslim world that accommodates multiple legal schools, including the Hanafi and Shafi’i schools of jurisprudence, Whereas most of the Islamic world can be divided into the dominant school of law – Maliki in Sudan, west Africa and north Africa (ALMaghreb), Hanbali in Saudi Hanafi in turkey, Pakistan and Central Asia, and so on – multiple schools feature in Eritrea . This equilibrium has generated unique forms of legal pluralism. Islam in is exceptionally multilingual but mainly address in the terms of legal terms by Arabic langue, and the four varieties of Islam in Eritrea resist straightforward characterization, history and language has played a role.

    Eritrean practice foremost religion of tolerance and peace. But for PFDJ communist secularism regime, that destroyed Eritrea values as they had come to know it , which was the Eritrean of civility and tolerance and diversity, Nothing is what it used to be. Everything seems turned inside out and it even goes far much deeper and is far more destructive than could dire to write regime crime. the people are damaged, its traditional values are damaged and country is seriously damaged, perhaps fatally .We had long time crossed a threshold.

    Regime intolerance and interference and fearing the persecution and other destructive reasons. Eritrean Muslims will start to believe that if they did not resist, their way of life as they know it and their spiritualty adherence will not be respected and regime will keep downgraded substantially and eventually obliterated, this will not be tolerated for much longer. This goes the same for Christianity. Islam in Eritrea diverges from many neighbouring countries, the norm. Throughout history, Islam in Eritrea has been transformed and shaped by interacting with many neighbour countries and civilizations. Eritrea being in a peripheral location enjoyed a degree of autonomy by virtue of its remoteness in where many ethnic Eritrea Muslim live and a mostly inhospitable land but eminently beautiful and rich seductive ethnic cultural. different both familiar, enriching and engrossing customs. not only takes us somewhere new, it viscerally reminds us that such places like Eritrea still in this age exist intact in the world. This identity crosses divides of languages and culture, but its aesthetics, Sunni Islam. additionally, this is also due to the relatively tolerant attitude towards how Islam was introduce peacefully in the Abyssinia region and Islam that have flourished and that are indigenous to it. due to its extraordinarily rich history of contact with first migrant form Mecca, since the inception and beginning of Islam was introduced to Abyssinia. Of course, history only looks simple from a distance. With Religion and culture meshed seamlessly and cultivated a servility. Coming to recent history Eritrean Muslim believed the Ethiopian feudal regime and their king, would be and were aggressive and treacherous. They were right to some extent and Ethiopian emperor, looked at those Eritrean who went for struggle and fight for freedom and independence as he called them barbarian and chieftain, the imperial ambitions was bloodiest in the nation’s history. Speaking of history considering where we are . There will come a time, no doubt, when future Eritrean historians look back on these present times and assess what happened to Eritrea and they lost their idealism, justice, freedom, equality, traditions and values. Regime that turned Eritreans against one another The newly independent and intended country that was hoped to operate in a kind of equilibrium between community and respecting individualism, between hard sacrifice and self-interestedness. Historian, they will think of it as a period of national catastrophe and precipice of disaster and derangement, a time when Eritrea lost their humanity and direction its compass and its bearings. One could hope that long time suffering and subjugation will not lost in vain and for those who supported IA and curle regime would reflect and come to their senses and that those who opposed the regime would create strong united counter movement opposition ,who rightfully should control their country destiny .

  • saay7

    Mr KH:

    Here are the points of contention between the school and the gov. I feel duty-bound to remind you of the names of the antagonists: Medreset Al-dia’e Al-Islamia (Islamic Light School) and Proples Feont for Democracy & Justice

    1. Status Quo Was:
    A. Curriculum: everything taught at public schools plus Arabic and Quran classes
    B. Dress Code: everything demanded at public schools plus headscarves for girls. (Incidentally, Muslim girls can wear head scarves at public schools.)
    C. Mixed gender classes elementary; segregated in secondary.
    D. Academic calendar different from public schools.

    2. New Directive

    A. Drop teaching Quran and mirror curriculum of public schools. Answer given by school board: no.
    B. Dress code for girls should be identical to that of public schools: you can’t make wearing headdress mandatory. Answer given by board: no.
    C. Mixed genders at high school too. Answer given by school: no.
    D. Change your academic calendar to open Monday thru Friday.
    Answer given by school: ok

    You are now caught up. Except that: to show they are equal opportunity stupid, they are telling christian students to stop wearing their maEteb.

    saay

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Mr. Kim Hanna & Saay,

      That was my understanding of the issues too, but it feels crazier reading it in one page. Like KH, I had tried to find sane rational for PFDJ’s action in this matter and came with zero.

      Even the worst case of social engineering would have allowed at least a couple of generations as transition period for any right or wrong desired changes.

      I can only think of one possibilities that may explain this madness.

      Given President Isaias’s pattern of behavior, at least since 1972, it is likely that the goal is to remove any form of imagined or real competition to his fame and power. The more I think about this the more it is making sense to me.

      How else can one explain a government that destroys the only university in the country and attempts to appear “progressive” by snatching symbolic necklaces and scarfs from school children?

      • saay7

        Selamat Fanti:

        Do you read “Cracked”? You look like someone who would get humor magazines. In one of their Famous Top 5, they had “5 Braineashing Tricks That Work No Matter How Smart You Are.” I always go back to it when very smart people say things that make no sense to me. I encourage everyone to read it: in addition to being insanely funny, it’s insightful. The top 5:

        1. Ideas Don’t Matter: People Only Care About What World
        Application here: the PFDJ is keeping us safe from an assortment of Weyane agents, Jihadists, and others that I don’t even know about because the gov is that diligent. It works: Eritrea is very safe. (Except for those escaping the predatory state but hush now.)

        2. Mostly, It’s About Fear
        They give an example of a scene from a movie. You walk in: you don’t know anything about the plot but two entities are fighting. One is human and the other looks like a monster. You will instantly support the person.

        Application: in this corner, some Hajji guy surrounded by people saying Allahu Akber. In that corner, a self-denying hard-working humble man. You know your side: one of them is very scary to you.

        3. Friends Matter More Than Politics

        A variation of #2. Actually ok, Cracked got lazy here. This is the problem with top 5 lists: sometimes they repeat themselves

        4. Same moral code; different application

        “Facts can be right or wrong; they can’t be moral or immoral

        Application here: a gov supporter will marvel at my position. Clearly, he will say, he knows that what he is doing is wrong and harming Eritrea! Then he tries to find out why. Because his facts are: a kind, tolerant government waited for 25 Years to change this school. And this obstinate, stubborn man (most likely encouraged by outsiders) refused to yield and just forced the government to arrest him. I mean what is the government going to do when he was essentially calling for Jihad and forcing girls to wear alien veils.

        I say, copying Abune Menkarios, “so now Adey zeineb gulbab do ayneberan”. Brilliant because Adey zeineb (mama zeineb) was the iconic Eritrean mother who carried the EPLF. And she had not one but two veils.

        5. Most Group Fall Into Their Group By Accident

        Despite all our claims to independence, we are who we are because we were born into it. (Cracked: “if you go online and find essays…explaining why white people are the master race, you will find a startling coincidence when you look at their authors: they’re all white.”

        Application: those who support the government will find some rationale to support what the government did. I mean right now the Republican Party in the US who is accused by not one not two but five women that he was inappropriate with them when they were minors.

        So there it is. Human beings are complex machines with white blood cells.

        saay

        • Selamat Admiral Saay7,

          Fascinating allaround. Multipronged to be a powerful and formidable blow to a lot more than meets the eye. Meaning, though your argumentation, based on facts, leaves not an inch of a wiggle room for the pfdj to rebuttal but accept and plead guilty to being “stupid” as charged by, you the prosecutor, I am quite sure that the following is not lost on you:
          1. The Peanut Butter CREAM by CRUNCH method of the PB 01/’17.
          2. Once the prosecution rests its case, it is only a matter of fairness and jurisprudence, the defense presents reads their case in these hearings.
          3. Your onslaught on the “brainwashed”, though adds significant value to the overall Eritrean Gains, due to these authentic and or synthetic catalysts plus subsequent and continuing developments, surely you are cognizant that you yourself are blitzing with “brain washing of your own.” Here, I point you to your admitted acumen of “how easy it is to brainwash or be brainwashed” per your Top 5 list…
          Well Admiral, precisely why we must read the TOP Asshera, i,e, Weapon X list in order to achieve INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. Even, Dave on the Late Show had it right.
          Your belief and advocacy of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY/rights over Group Rights I am weighing and calibrating for its appropriate new perspective. And I do believe, Dear Admiral Saay7, though yes “you are not wrong” but you are also not all right with your navigation at warp speed and blitzing with the Armada of Merakhibna you command. As I am lead Captain…. I am duty bound to report to you the corrective measures per my Ship WaEla’78 vantage and The Eritrean Imperative Narrative.

          6. The Bridge, you may recall the contextual connotations of long ago, as well as….., I am merely bridging the divide between yourself and blink. blink may be “speaking of things he has absolutely zero knowledge about”, but you forget Dear Admiral that the inquisitiveness and the asking of the only the right questions leads to the answer. If it were a game of Texas Hold’em, I would and and am calling your bluff.
          7. And as for speaking in abstractions and you not knowing why people wouldn’t opt for speaking based on facts… I will just simply refer you to your own answer utilized in the Ethiopian Ogaden V Oromia crisis of only a month or so ago.
          Lest I suffer you and every one into “Experiencing a lull”, as Dave Letterman used to say, I will not “cheat by repeating” to reach 10 and will stop on SEVEN. ’17
          We should all be cognizant of the dangers of self righteousness at all times– ample precedence.
          STAND on ’17!

          Abbu Ashera Weapon X – Evolution!
          AmEritrean GitSAtSE Azilo40 Agnieya(40 Acres and a Mule.)

          • saay7

            Hey TSatSe:

            One of those days, you will tell me what frequency you are broadcasting on because then I would get what you saying. Right now it sounds like short wave and middle wave stations we used to strain ourselves to just to see if Eritrea is mentioned.

            How bad? You said I am sure the following is not lost on you and I was lost on point 1 with the peanut butter.

            Texans have an expression they use “I am fixin’ to get ready”, another way of saying “I am getting ready to get ready.” All your posts sound like that to me: that you are getting ready to say something, we sometimes even get to you clearing ur throat but then as Eminem sang in his tribute to Dre: “nowawadays , everybody wanna talk, Like they got somethin’ to say, But nothin’ comes out when they move their lips, Just a bunch of gibberish, they forgot about Dre.”

            Gratuitous reference to hip hop music just to relate to you and to encourage you to stop fixing to get ready and get ready already. This way I can understand your criticism and reflect and hopefully change.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Selam saay7 and GitSAtSE,
            Too bad for those at the receiving end when two smart guys could not find the right wave length to communicate with one another.

          • Selamat Ayya IsmaelAA and Admiral Saay7,

            Rest assured, in spite the wave length of these communications are just right though while one is Sine function the other is Cosine…..

            Yes Admiral, one of these days, I will let you know which frequency. As you already know, there are frequency ranges that will soon be released by the FCC to the public for further innovations. Stephen Hawkins is lecturing Captain Kirk, Scotty and crew. The Vulcans have made contact.

            Hey Saay7, “fixing to get ready” if you can’t remember using that line… then Eminem, in the same tribute, doesn’t give a “what” because Dr. Dre sent him to piss off the world. …. Yeah you ain’t fooling me Admiral you are navigating just right because of the very verse you quoted.

            Gratuitos, Ay Ay Admiral! Live long and Prosper – V;II)

            Abu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution!
            AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40 A40 Acres and a Mule.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear GitSAtSE Solomon wedi Hawey,
            It could be sine and cosine for you and the Admiral but the sailors and seafarers have unfortunately been missing the angles and sides.

          • MerHaba and Good Morning Ayya IsmailAA,

            Hence, the Admiral Saay7’s directive for tSAtSE to disclose the frequency of my broadcast. Full confidence in Sa^2VII I am duty bound to comply. Starting from tSAtSE’s QiTTQaTT canoe row up to the flying boat’s carrier, the nebuchadnezzar, under commander SaleH Awate Admiral VII, it goes without saying is guided, and stand on the broad shoulders of the IsmailAAs GitSAtSE, Al Diia/ Shig
            brightest lights of Supernova Torch, min Awelen, Al AElam mAA shehur TTisAA, WaHid was Siteen navigating clear through the nebulae accumulated @ V, WaHid wa TTisEinn…. …. …..

            Ay Ay! Ayya IsmaelAA Haw Abuye, I hear you loud and clear. The Admiral will reassure you of the Seguro de la All State…
            Now I must give to protocol in recognizing the BRIDGE and Maple Leaf Duo. “Who are Yom Al Eithneinn “Light Way” & “AyQebaH Ay BaH”? Mr. Alex Trebek Ehhee…

            work in progress Ayya.

            Stand on 17! Abu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution
            AmEritrean GitSAtSE A40 A40 Acres and a Mule

          • Ismail AA

            Dear GitSAtSE Solomon wedi Hawey,

            You reminded me of nebuchadnezzar (Capital n) the great builder and destroyer of the great Babylonians (Iraqis of our era). His Hanging Gardens provided delicious grapes which was why God included his name in the Holy Books. Humans in this forum would like to enjoy the wonderful grapes hanging on the branches of your writings.

          • Hayak Allah Amm Ismail AA.

            Yes, I was blessed to hear a sermon regarding Nebuchadnezzar.

            There is another reason, and the Admiral need not the resourceful iSEM to disclose the frequency… though…. for the new specification is on the need to know basis….
            Senay MeAlti Ayya.
            tSAtSE

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            You know what I think, TsaTse is like those rappers who are not ready to grow up and move on to the next stage in their lives. Rapping in your teens and 20s is good, but when you are in your 50s it not cool in my opinion. That is you have other way to occupy your life that’s relevant to your age.

            I will give you an example, off course it’s related to Canada. In the 90s there was these famous speed cyclist Olympian named Curt Harnett. He had long blond hair and he was famous for his shampoo commercials, Pert Plus I think. After his last Olympic performance the CBC guys interviewed him and asked him, you announced this is your last performance, what’s next for you.

            He said “It’s time to get a haircut and get a real job.”

            And that’s what TsatSe doesn’t get it, he has to grow up and leave the rap the joke to the guys in their 20s and he has to act like his age and as Russel Peters says “Be a man”.

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Brother Berhe Y,

            As painful as it is to disagree with you, I must disagree on this one.

            He is a gifted artist. He sees words and ideas like you and I would see an oncoming traffic on a sunny afternoon. Once in a blue moon, I get a glimpse of what he says, just enough for me to know how brilliant he is. In fact, I was contemplating to advice (beg) him to write a book or books strictly based on his conveying style.

            Besides, bHawey meTsi’ekani.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear FG,

            As usual you are being nice. Be honest, did you understand anything at all?

            I am not criticizing him for the sake of criticizing, what I don’t understand is why he writes so much with twists and turns on purpose. I say on purpose because it seems he wants to hide what he wants to say. At some point I thought he had changed about the PFDJ and he wanted to criticize them but in criptic ways so they have no clue djay he is saying.

            The reason I say this because I know Tsatse writing for a long time, when he use to be SS at asmarino.

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Berhe Y,

            The criticism is okay. I only meant to say that he is not being childish. I, perhaps like most people, only understand about 10% of his posts at most by the time I arrive at his abuAshera jemarit sewra line. I was only attempting to suggest that we should encourage his artistic talent while still asking him to write in such a way we, mortals, can understand. May be I didn’t say it well.

          • Berhe Y

            Dead FG,

            I understand what you mean and I admit I may have been a little harsh.

            The reason I said what I said was, please look at the efforts saay has put to write the article, and it’s a series article reflecting a series issue of our time, be a little series.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Good morning Sal:
            I know his Tsatse’s frequency, I am not saying, I will shut up 🙂

          • saay7

            iSem:

            I think only Ismail and the late Amde (moment of silence please) know tSatSe’s frequency. But if you think you have cracked the code, please share with the rest of the class 😉

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah saay7,

            I wish I knew, sir. All I try to do is to keep on goading him in the hope that he might release it. The reason I do that is that I think I detect his artistic brilliance nourished by his zeal for mathematics conceals something worth knowing on my part. By the way, the forum misses Amde, any clue about his where abouts?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saay,

          Good five points by the way. But what is the precursor to these five points. Nizereba zereba yemtse’o Endyu etiguday.

          Smarts can be “brainwashed”? I thought smarts do what they do on purpose, either for their interest or for arrogance “mitihletak”. After all Eritreans are learn indirectly (save few ones). By that I mean, they don’t admit and appreciate but we see them using in their debate in the later of their lives.

          Regard

          • saay7

            Emma:

            If you follow the exchange between me Kim and Fanti you will see what I posted the Crackeddotcom article on how common brainwashing is. Two of their common examples on how smart people can be brainwashed are Scientology (I think they write an article a day on what they consider the absurdity of Scientology and how it still manages to get followers) and another one is Apple (how the company hoodwinked many of us into paying more for a phone than a computer.)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            You make me laugh early in the morning. The “apple” one is good example. You see Saay most of us are selective readers either by choice or interest based. You, my friend, you make all sorts of reading. I think for you, there is no bad reading. All reading are applicable to life however they are written, be it for debate or for practical knowledge consumptions. Good for you.

            Regards

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Mr. Amanuel Hidrat & Saay,

            Speaking of smart people, there is an article about bad leaders at a website called “shift work place” which happens to be a precise fit to this topic. Based on Barbara Kellerman’s research work*, the author summarizes characteristics of bad leaders and who follow them and why.

            What are the characteristics of bad leadership?
            According to Barbara Kellerman’s leadership research, the characteristics of a bad leader are:

            · Incompetence
            · Rigidity
            · Uncontrolled, volatile behavior
            · Callousness towards others
            · Corruption
            · Insular behavior
            · Evil, destructive actions intended to harm or destroy

            Bad leaders are discriminatory, aggressive and arrogant. They build a world around a self-centered idea of personal greatness that gives them personal license to break, bend and alter moral standards others while holding others to them. By placing themselves on a pedestal above the law, above authority and even above God, bad leaders construct an insular bubble where they must always be right and anyone who suggests otherwise is mercilessly struck down.

            A little farther down under the heading “Who supports these toxic people and why” the author states that smart people are even more likely to follow a bad leadership.

            Psychologist Robert Riggio explains that as social animals, we can easily fall into dominance hierarchies where we are prone to follow the leader with the highest push to control. We then tend to regulate our behavior in consequence. This is fundamentally a desire for protection. We so desperately want our leaders to protect us that we are willing to believe they are doing so in the face of evidence to the contrary.

            Even smart people need validation and seek approval from authority figures. Surprisingly in fact, the smarter people are, the more likely they are to fall for bad leadership. Smart people believe their cognitive prowess will protect them from being manipulated emotionally, which makes them all the more vulnerable to bad leadership influence.

            Finally people follow bad leaders because they seek to divert attention away from personal mediocre performance or “less than squeaky-clean” actions. Mediocrity breeds more mediocrity and poor leadership hires for poor performance or blind loyalty to keep the air pumped into their overinflated egos.

            *Barbara Kellerman is research director of the Center for Public Leadership and a lecturer in public policy at the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saay,

          No.1 and No.2 are two typical brainwashing tricks of EPLF they have been using since the ghedli era. Here is a story told by Tsegai DerEm one gedim tegadalay: In 1972, Essayas in one of their meeting with his group (selfie Nazinet) told them that you can only control the Eritrean by “intimidation and practical work.” It is from this principle that we hear so often the slogan “Bigbree”. Even in meda when we try to debate with them, they always told us this is not the time we exchange ideas, it is the time of work bigbree. For Essayas it was about instilling fears on the rank and files (by extension to the Eritrean people) and showing pragmatic work to attract the Eritrean people. That strategy it worked then and it is working now.

    • King Ezana

      Selam Salih: I see the emergence of Agazian state while religious war to rage on in Eritrea. Any religion should not be tough in any schools, let alone, violent religion like Islam. For once, I agree with government of Eritrea.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam saay,
      .
      Barring any other new information, the clarification is crystal clear. I think these factual points need to be made repeatedly whenever the subject rolls in all directions. For the record, I want to state that I am not a fan of anything Arabic. However, objective reality have to be acknowledged.
      Up until now, I was really in a fog created by so many comments and side issues (including the Sudanese preacher) being brought into it.
      .
      Stupidity in this context would be for the Gov. to require teaching of the Bible in the Islamic Light School and the Quran in the “Ques Temhert Bet”.
      I don’t think they are stupid. I think maybe this constant comparison of being called the North Korea of Africa is seeping into their being.
      It appears the goal is total dominance and the requirement of total obedience of all segment of the population. (The Islamic Light School……towards the tail end of this subjugation process)
      .
      Mr. K.H

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Saay,
    “And then, some psychiatrist, should explain what is it about the Eritrean regime that makes it go after 80 and 90 year old men.”
    You don’t need to wait for psychiatirst, Saay. Since you are making most of so simple and explainable as in the above article. The regime is led by someone who had killed his friends in the field. By some one who has mowed disable tegadelti in broad daylight. By some one who refused a burial place for his best hit man. By some one who imprisoned a middle aged man for no reason and 13 years later, that man comes out old and blind and still without a knowledge of why that was done to him. By a man who signals to a wife of a jailed husband that she could come to take care of the father-away kids and yet whiskies her away right from the airport denying her 2 minute to even hug her kids.
    You have the most sinful lethal combinations of a human material in one: a narcissist psycho with a criminal mind and acting hand!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      A summary of evil deeds of the regime in one paragraph. Impressive. I don’t understand this sinful regime to stay this long. I am still puzzled, if this can not unified us to fight together, then what?

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes Amuni,

        I 2nd you ..I am also wondering..

        KS,,

    • Lamek

      Hayat, that part of Petros Solomon’s wife is one of the most heartbreaking stories. The question was whether such actions are evil or stupid. IA’s actions are evil. He might even be the devil mentioned in the bible. The system he runs vis-à-vis public relations with the rest of the world is beyond stupid. That is the difference. Evil man running a stupid show in front of the world. The evil comes when the world is not watching. Evil –> stupid –> evil –> stupid. It is a dynamic equilibrium.

    • iSem

      Hi Hayat: delighted to see your feedback

      what a coherent summation. Here is my incoherent comment back to you

      Hayat, you have forgotten things: since our borders are not demarcated, since our jewel Eritrea has enemies, from inside and outside, since we are nascent nation, the crimes you mention are not crimes, they just seem as one when viewed from the top hill of Dedebit, otherwise they are endearingly called the price of “natsanet”, wagga netta hallal meriet.

      Hayat, have not you heard revolution eats its own children, Eritrea is eating its children to make room for its future children, Eritrea celebrates the dead, lights candles for them, and tortures the living and kills the living to swell the numbers of the dead. That is the implement of a revolution, devouring its own to create the mirage of the paradise and people believe it, I am not sure which one is more dangerous for the country anymore. Awate team once wrote Eritrea dangerous to its citizens, I think now Eritreans are dangerous to Eritreans

      In your beautiful comment, you have cogently incapsulated what ails Eritrea, no need for a shrink to figure out why Eritrea goes after 90 years old, women, helpless people and like a coward bully who still punches you when you are knocked down, PFDJ and IA are afraid even from the sick and blind Era Ero dwellers, afraid from the corpse of the their hitman, afraid from a former tegadalit and mother from becoming suicide bomber I guess when they arrested her in the airport

      I think now, the opposition is more dangerous to Eri than PFDJ even with what you mentioned, not opposing, the opposition, individual and collective members who have not still internalized how PFDJ is reengineering how Eritreans think, what serray calls, the sahel algorithm. See how we are so numb when PFDJ ups the ante

      This article as beautiful and timely as it is, it is quintessentiallly reflects our defensive nature as opposition to the regime, the regime and its supports should be the defensive once, here we are explaining what Alah Wo Aber means and the nuances of covering heads in Akria and the Hajji title to Eritrea, to Erireans, Eritreans, Etritrawyan Hayat, who pride themselves of their 50-50 muslim- Christian demography and 9 ethnic groups (Aye Eritre tissAte zeytimelie aserte) still illiterate about each other, there is something wrong with that.

      We had also defended why we were in Addis, what is next? I think we should live people behind, not take with us every evil or retarded person who buy PFDJ. I think it was hawaria Paoulos who said that the knowledge of good and evil is ta in the human heart.

      Living imbiciles and evils behind is a noble idea, much, much nobler than the revolution devours it own children and all the deafening PFDJ and YPFDJ slogans

      I am appalled 30 years after Ghedli, 27 years after the Dergi left, 16 years after the crackdown of the g-15 and 10,000 others, 16 years after our organs were harvested by those who devour their own and the untold crimes against the Eritrean human, we are still stuck in explaining the basics of

    • Kokhob Selam

      Wow Hayat Adem –

      You are wonderful.. Let me have more with similar line..

      KS,,

  • said

    Greetings,
    Report .Eritrea’s Military Got Help From U.A.E., Foreign Firms, UN Says
    Bloomberg news
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-12/eritrea-s-military-got-help-from-u-a-e-foreign-firms-un-says

  • Beyan

    Selam Sal,

    Dear Sal,

    What can I say, it is rare occurrence where one can make a dry subject as those related to policies, rule of law, with articles and clauses, constitutional documents, and the like, readable. Not only do you make it readable, but your synthesis is incredibly helpful for those of us who yawn when we see some such documents.

    Allow me to take a fraction of this comprehensive piece in hopes of adding value to the discourse. You state, “… tolerance and co-existence mean you respect the values of those who are not like you even if you don’t agree with them.” What a great coincidence that your piece is coinciding with another moral force speaking truth-to-power as did Abboy Musa and, Aboy Mohamed Abrar, and Abune Mekarios. The latter, said when referring to the role of religion in our socio-communal lives that religion is a private matter and the country is shared for shared by all. If we are able to see the wisdom in this, especially, coming from a religious leader, you know the regime is now in big trouble not only lost its moral compass but has none left to lead a nation.

    When the pillars of our respective communities speak with such moral clarity, then, whatever asinine reasoning that we’ve heard coming through Alamin Said’s mouth in Riyadh will ring hollow. These moral forces are already saying religion is a private matter and as Aboy Mohamed Abrar also said this past Friday for the young to keep their cool and the shmaglle hager will bring forth solution to the now unjustly jailed community leaders like Aboy Musa and others who were imprisoned wholesale. Instead of finding a way out from the precarious position the regime finds itself, typical of PFDJ reaction: Doubling down and jailing the 80-year-old man. We’ve seen this movie before when Eritrean community leaders volunteered to intervene on behalf of the Ministers who were summarily detained whose whereabouts is still a mystery, many of whom we hear have died in the dungeons of Higdef. What do the goons in Eritrea do: Detain these community leaders as well.

    Many thanks Sal for doing a thorough job. You are Clarifier in Chief, indeed!

    BN

  • said

    Greetings,
    Thank you Saay, Eritrean want peace and change of regime , PFDJ want mayhem ,we need to make sure that the Eritrean should clearly see, they are not divide in their asperation for freedom and justices ,it should be clear they are not fighting each other, what unite us is much bigger . Let the PFDJ and their supporters fight each other and to save themselves! But we will fight all who attempt to erase us, to silence our voices, and collaborate consciously or unconsciously. Hajj Musa his appeal. Something not reducible to the language of political struggle and opposition, it is his defiance, his dignity, his courage and his selflessness. but it is also how those elements were reflected in his desire to contribute to his student and his people in general and lave a legacy and it will speak for it self and gentle and peaceful man and who was not involved in politics, what he cared most in particular was the well-being of all Eritrean regardless who they are and his approach to the concept of his rights was left alone to continue and manage his school .
    The aspects of his thought and practice that distinguished him in today’s Eritrea .

  • Peace!

    Hi Salihom,

    Big Thank You! Hope it is no longer complicated …)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/621dad74ef2ed587f4262b65c7ecd44e04fe84100176cd87390d5839353cc6f6.jpg

    Peace!

  • Kebessa

    Hello all,
    For me the biggest problem is the government’s unwillingness or inability to explain its actions. After nearly two weeks of the incident that made headlines around the world, isn’t it ridicules not a single word of official explanation has been provided!? A government known for its boring coverage of protests else where is now studiously silent about protests in its living room. How ackward!

    A couple of questions I would love to get answers are
    1) timing: if the school was operating the same way it always has, what prompted the government to act at this particular time?
    2) financing: as I understand it, the school gets no financial assistance from the state. What are the source of resources to run this fairly sizable institution year in year out?

    In the mean time, the vast majority of Eritreans are not falling for religious divisions perpetrated by some over this issue. I am proud at the level of consciousness of our people.

    • saay7

      Selam Kebessa:

      On what the govs position, so far they are going for the “it’s nothing” approach. That’s the position of Yemane Gebremeskel (MoI) and Alamin Mohammed Seid (party Secretary) who addressed an Eritrean audience in Riyad.

      On the timing: why now? That is perplexing and that’s why I️ had to read the 600 page Civil Code which was published in 2015 just in case there are answers there. And as you saw from the expert in the article, there is none: it refers you to constitution and law that doesn’t exist. So only possible answer is that it is enforcing the new edict of Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince. Or: it’s more of “Sactism”: it screwed up and doesn’t quite now how to fix it and is waiting for people to tire of it.

      The school is financed by the Muslim community of Eritrea. This is a school that organically grew over 50 year period. If there was external funding, that would be instant cause to shut it down.

      I agree with you that our people have been amazing on this in terms of saying Hell NO to all the extremists and gov supporters who are trying to use this as a wedge issue. In that regard a clear stand out is Facebook Live address by Abune Mekarios which appears on the wall of Keshi G Michael Yohannes. Even if you hate Facebook (and i am talking to you Emma) make an exception: it’s very much worth your time. It’s a TED Talk quality presentation on history, religion, customs and good old wisdom.

      saay

      • Paulos

        Sal,

        You read 600 pages on Civil Code? Damn man, you’re something. All the power to you bro!

        • saay7

          Paulos:

          …then, I converted the 1960 Civil Code pdf to Word, used Words “compare two documents” feature and noted that it was essentially the same document, updated to de-Imperial-Ethiopia it. But it was not for nothing: I learned what the law says how long a widow must wait before she remarries and what names are illegal when naming a child.

          The EPRDF and PFDJ came to power at the same time. The EPRDF updated the 1960 Civil Code Years ago. The PFDJ did it in 2015….and only because they wanted to show something to the UN Human Rights Council. Just like they withdraw from Somalia only when they were sanctioned and wanted to get out of it.

          Whenever people call them evil, i say there is a strong argument to be made that they are just plain stupid, unfit to lead the great people of Eritrea.

          saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            Still that takes tremendous patience to go over something dry and when there is no material incentive if you will except to expose the regime for what it is and to educate the public as well.

            Here is a question for you: Do you believe everything and anything is micromanaged by Isaias alone including the legal codes? Or to put is differently, do you believe if other personalities with in the power echelon as in the Yemanes and Alamin to mention but a few have independent decision making capacity sans Isaias’ consent? Thank you Sir!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            You weigh on the acts of the regime as “a stupid act” and not “an evil act”. Can you explain what kinds of conducts constitute to an evil and stupid acts? Aren’t stupid acts are acts that does not harm others however they are wrong? If so, Aren’t we saying that the regime didn’t do wrong doing that constitute a criminal act, when we say they are only doing stupid acts? I need a class on this subject from you. You seem you carefully chose the stupid word.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I admit, i probably spend more time than i should to determine motives of the Isaias gov. Because, on the face of it, it makes no sense at all. Even wrote an article a few months or years ago on whether its acts are stupid or evil; i believe it was Ghezae who said they are both.

            To answer your q: stupid is a measure the gov takes that it doesn’t benefit from. Or, if it does, it’s done in such a heavy handed way it alienates even its sympathizers. Like arresting 90 plus year old man whose brother died in its jail. Evil is when you make up reasons and lie about it arrested him.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Did not Issaias make up reasons and lie about it and arrested people? I mean come on , Issaias is not stupid he is evil (man made evil) creature. Issaias do things purposely and he digg his colleagues graves before even they knew they will disagree with him. Issaias made up stories just to nullify any one with good intentions for Eritreans.

            That line you said on the above reply to me “Still that won’t stop you from speculating and essentially being a conveyer belt for the government’s whisper campaign.” is the cheapest line ever made by you and trust no one but yourself, I don’t do that job even for my own father . I am who I am .you get what you see. Still the remittance money is enough to finance but you wanted to take a jab instead of answering from your perspective. Still I can buy you expresso ,,,just to smell the coffee.

            I will not disappoint you but don’t copy trump . This is awate forum you invented yourself.

          • saay7

            Blink:

            People can be conveyer belts unwittingly.

            You spent an ungodly long amount of time talking about Sheria etc, expressing your bigotry against religions, thereby reinforcing the PFDJ message that there was something new and dangerous Haji Adem was doing when he was simply running a school in accordance with its bylaws.

            Now you are casting your skepticism about the schools financing.

            What’s next: the students were being manipulated by others?

            Those are the two propaganda pieces the gov is feeding the people and coincidentally they happen to be the same two you are raising.

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Sorry I didn’t know they were saying these too , I have to ask copy right . The sheria thing for me is much much deeper issue for me than you can imagin ,in-fact I have spent much money in that if not for this sadistic leader at home I would not raise it now. I am saying this is may be a coincidence about sheria. I will not rest to raise the issue if similar things pop up . I mean the crime of Issaias is like all are buried and churned up again and buried again. The sad part is that one can see no end of this. If we live tonight we have to go through tomorrow night – and next week – and next month ….. on and on . we have been through this cycle saay and we have seen him use his time with precision to his advantage, I mean no way my question or comment about sheria in awate forum can be a conveyor belt to PFDJ or put them in disadvantage. My point was for you to throw 1 or 2 forward reforms to some useful idiots like me about the issue. That is all.
            Unless the issue of sheria is like this, please go slow to understand it. It is home made story.
            One night soldiers heard a cry, the cry of one in excruciating pain; then all was quiet again. Someone in her death agony, they thought. But an hour later the cry came again. It never ceased the whole night. Nor the following night. Naked and inarticulate the cry persisted. They could not tell whether it came from the throat of an enemy or one of their own. It existed in its own right, an agonized indictment of bad judgment on this earth. They thrust their fingers into their ears to stop its moan; but it was no good; the cry cut like a drill into their heads, still they can do nothing because it was in the middle of enemy lines just few yards from them dragging minutes into hours, hours into years. They withered and grew old between those cries.

            Later they learned that it was one of their own women hanging on the wire. Nobody could do anything for them Few already tried to save her only to be shot themselves. They prayed desperately for her death. Sh took so long about it, and if she went on much longer they should go mad. But on the third day her cries were stopped by death. That is the story that you simply wanted to rash over and neglected over and over .

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam saay,

            At the end of September 2017, the Chinese authorities have ordered Muslims to hand over all religious items including prayer mats and copies of the Qur’an. Officials in Xinjiang, in the North West of the country, have warned mosques that worshippers must give up the items or face harsh punishment.

            Apparently, the Chinese authorities consider the religious book as a foreign ideology that has a destabilising influence.

            Radio Free Asia (RFA) reports the operation bans “illegal” publicity, religious activities, religious teaching, and items believed to be tools of terrorism including flammable objects and knives.

            They are also similarly harsh on Chinese Christian groups.

            Can the Eritrean government draft a law that will enable them to ban all religious teachings in schools?

          • saay7

            Selam Simon:

            One of the biggest cons pulled was to equate one ethnic group (“Hans”) with an entire nation (“Chinese”) so that the values of the former substitute for the latter. And since there are no Muslim Hans, there should be no Muslim Chinese.

            Can the Eritrean government draft a law banning all religious teachings in schools? Of course it can. It can even define the one-room Quran (khelwa) neighborhood classes as schools and forbid them too.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sir,, Saay7,

            Can you explain more?

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Kokhob Selam:

            I don’t know if I can without repeating myself. 92% of chinese are from the ethnic group called “Han.” It is so dominant people use “Han” and “Chinese” interchangeably. There are 50 plus other ethnic groups (including the one Simon raised and Blink gave a characteristically violent solution for) but they all add up to less than 8%. And they are called “ethnic Chinese”. (China as in the republic.)

            Does that give you any useful info?

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay7

            Thank you very much..

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Violently? Cut this thing , I am not like you skillful who can play words puzzle games on such things. Any one who go out hunting to human flesh must dealt with its own medicine to root out from the inside, Chinese authorities can simply afford to completely change that region in to a new China by eradicating the ideology still bothers them. Who is going to stand against the communist party ? Saudi , Iran or Pakistan? , saay as you yourself said number do play and the current one is more than qualified to do that job. 92% can’t see a disturbing moment by a fraction of people.

          • saay7

            Blink:

            Did you write this or did I imagine it?

            “The people who were out from poverty in a very few decades is simply the work of human being at its best while shutting any religious lunatics to kiss their knees.”

            The people you are admiring are the Communist Party of China, the most murderous group of people assembled anywhere since the beginning of time. Under Mao, the system killed 60 million people: more than Hitler more than the Soviet Union. And it so happens that it is a system that Isaias admired greatly. Yet you tell us you don’t like Isaias. Well he too claims he is doing all this to improve the living standards of Eritreans.

            You are as confused as a guy named Hope who use to write here. Are u sure you are not his identical twin?

            saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Yes and the one I am rooting is America ,who murdered more people than the Chinese, While the Chinese killed many of their people and that is sad but the current economic development of China must be praised saay , over 300 million out from poverty in few decades is in heard of and to do that work after the horrific story you explained is simply an achievement by itself. Do you think the Americans are not guilty of killing more than that of Mao ? I mean come on saay you live in a free society tell me the raw truth because it will not cost you much. Wether chines are murderous or not is not on debate but who is going to stand against them ? Trump ? Putin , Chinese are here coming to stay and no voice will dare to nock them off . It is not like I wish Eritreans to aspire like chines because we will not get it . If Issaias was doing the same thing like the Chinese economic development to my people, I will not even mention his name a bit . How far did you travel from Asmara ? I did travel way way up to quarura and I know Eritreans will not lose sleep if they have a system who cares, after all Africa will be Africa a play ground .

          • iSem

            Hi Blink:
            Chinese are now littering Africa and is bad news, they do not create jobs, even the cleaning staff are chinese and they do not care if you mow your people, I hope America, after neglecting Africa for so long and focusing on the middle E now expands its Africa Command to take out china. The dictators in Africa are selling Africa to the chinese and for next to nothing
            China is pounding its chest to become super power, but regardless their gdp growth,, which is a simlplist measure, they are a century away from bringing their life standard to the USA. Europe has aged, USA is still young and your china still needs to put flavorless boiled rice on every table let alone be in par with USA in this century
            There are Eritrean Phds who told me that communism has not been implemented correctly, but this killing machine has been rejected by people, that is why rich chinese are flocking to USA and Canada, creating wealth without the freedom maybe the downfall of china, if the USA and a Canada make sure that they protect their IP and cyber security and if there is new African visionary, I want him/her to restrict chinese stealing the wealth
            U said America killed others, news to me, where?
            In the wars, it fought to protect itself and protect u from Hitler and dropping the nuclear bomb on Japan? sad that innocent people were killed, but thanks God USA made the bomb, that was human being best achievement after discovering farming, I believe and you are so enamored by china for assembling iphones and ipads, what an innovation
            I have been to Shangahai and the people you want to emulate make endless queues near 4 star hotels and if they see a foreigner they offer you erotic massage with young girls, desparate, the high towers are just for show off China’s micro dams. i have been to S.Korea and my colleague quipped, we know now where the third world is, he was referring to one of USA airports he transited at. No one one offers you any thing near the Sheila hotel in the soul of Asia as they refer to their capital city
            I whish IA and co were sent to USA intead of china, damn ELF

          • blink

            Dear isem
            First I am not admiring chines way of breaking their internal opposition, I am just saying what ever they do , no one is going to push them aside, the Era of neo full guys is OVER . Oh so you did not know , I will break this for you, China economy is no more communists economy, it is way way better than that and you know it. If mr tweeter won next term please send me an apology letter with a trump face. Yes communism is bad and but it is gone , China is opening to the world of riches and once the 1% have access to China market , you will never ever hear this side talk of old white hunger greedy man talking bad about china. After all it is all about a campaign and propaganda of uncle some taktik. America is behind the developed world when it comes for caring to Africa. Western world legacy in Africa is filled with numbers that reflect every bad episode of human being . Western world give aid to Africa and they take 50 times . The sustainability of dictators in Africa is related to how Anglo-saxen shenanigans do business in Africa . America saved no one , forget this lousy old false narrative of the neo- cons say, it is a lie a pure lie that you guys being told again and again until you forget it was a lie. Go to Congo , what did the Belgian build ? Go to all African countries, what did the white man theifs build ? The fact that an educated Eritreans can do the Americans propaganda campaign shows how fragile the future of Eritrea is looking.
            No nation in Africa is better of the western hand -non .
            Ask yourself why ELF sent people like Issaias to China ? After all as you and saay indicated the west is full of freedom wishing leaders and system, what could possibly in 1960-80 almost all revolution was away from the west ? There must be something open to these people that the West was not for them. The freedom you dream to have In Eritrea can and must not come by the wish of the people you admire in the west , because they have a very bad reputation of messing things. China come to Africa as any one but at least it is not removing leaders to cheat , China is not causing wars to sale arms , China did not calculated how many vetnamis are alive . China is building roads , hospitals and funding projects the western world abandoned due to their own self imposed rules of anti development. China is here to stay because it’s system is no more communism’s old book play , China is here to be a force to rocken with , just wait another decades of two or three.
            By the way the message you are trying hard to dismiss as chines is false because, guess what where is the largest tourist destination of the white man ? Click click .
            The world is shifting from corny propaganda of noe crazy lunatics to what do you have for me and what can I do to get it. The destruction of countries strayed by no one but the west . Human right !!! What human right is this for chines globally powerful diplomacy masters .

          • Selam iSem,

            It is news to me that the west cares a lot if african dictators mow their people. At best they will give lip service and nothing more. Did they care a bit about the millions of africans they threw overboard into the atlantic ocean, as they moved them into slavery in the new world, the lynchings, and recently the rwanda genocide, or the crime committed today in yemen before their eyes, and they participate in this genocide indirectly by selling weapons to the saudis and their collaborators.

            It’s only seventy years since africans said, good riddance to the whiteman, and you are inviting them to come back to africa, for a second round of exploitation and dehumanization? Is it not the same as selling africa to the west?

            As if 500 yrs of exploitation of africa through slavery and colonialism is not enough, you are wishing africans remain under the same masters. Last time some far-right-white supremacist was saying, let us colonize africans for the second time to civilize africans. You can imagine the way he sees africans, even today.

            Western capitalist system that was founded on exploitation, has brought not only its middle class to poverty, but the whole world, with the danger of a widespread social unrest. The west including the usa, especially under trump, far right white supremacists and billionaire republicans, is also in danger of major decline, unless these ideologists of insatiable capitalism give back human beings their humanity.

            Yes, china stands for its interest in africa, but this time africans are getting at least something out of the new masters, in the form of roads, railways, hydroelectric dams, generally infrastructures of all sorts. The white man came as a master, a superior being, looking down at africans as if they are no different from animals of burden.

            I do not understand; are you congratulating americans for making the dirty bomb, and are you justifying them for using it against japan? Japan had already lost the war when the usa dropped the dirty bomb, on two cities inhabited by civilians. The two cities were not military targets in any imaginable way. Simply, the usa gov. wanted to commit crime and it succeeded to commit genocide, and it remains as a dark page in human history. Japan’s bombing of pearl harbor was also a crime, but not of the same degree. The world got the dirty bomb, and everybody is trying to acquire it, and the world is stuck with this dangerous monster.

            So, by seeing shanghai and some degenerate chinese, you drew your conclusion about china and the chinese people. The west is leading the way by torch bearing fascists and nazis, money is the god, and any sort of crime could be committed for its sake, etc, and most probably, the chinese may copy and do it as well.

            I still think that, may be, i have not understood you well.

          • blink

            Dear Simon
            What exactly can the Chinese do with a knife armed guys running around cutting people on the streets? They have no choice except to dismantle The Whole system of an aggressive lunatics. No one mess with the Chinese communist party at their home , in China the Chinese communist party rules every thing, any one who did not listen their rules will be crushed. You can’t compare PFDJ with chines greatness. After may be few years chines will demand their wish from every investment they do with any poor African countries. No one will dare to raise any issue. The western world can say any thing to African countries but not to Chinese.

            If PFDJ wanted to close any religious schools they could have done it in a proper way but since Issaias doesn’t like proper thing , he does it as he wish. One thing is clear there is law that was crossed and that shows PFDJ jungle rule. I personally are glad China is leaving the western cry baby behind begging.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            I will agree with Ghezae who said to you both. Because all government’s actions do not constitute criminal act. There are actions which are stupid and do not harm directly to the Eritrean people. For instance their foreign policy are stupid and even childish, and do not constitute crimes. But Issayas was a “serial killer” when he was in the field of struggle and he is a “serial killer” when he sits in the helm of power after independence. His motive is clear, he liquidate individuals who suspect them that they are threat to his power. This motive in itself makes him an evil man. History will remember him as such.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Here’s another “stupid” vs “evil” or both:

            The Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea just issued its report on the five mandates it was given to monitor:

            1. Is Eritrea arming Somali armed groups including Al Shabab
            2. Is Eritrea hosting, training, arming Ethiopian and Djibouti groups to destabilize the region
            3. Is Eritrea being transparent with its mining revenues
            4. Is Eritrea importing, transiting, and exporting arms
            5. Is Eritrea allowing the SEMG into Eritrea

            The SEMG found no evidence for item 1, and then found that Eritrea is not compliant with 2-5. Yes of course the PFdJista are going to pretend the entire mandate was only made up of 1 but thats not my focus now.

            Help me out if this is stupid or evil:

            1. We train arm and host the Ethiopian oppo including TPDM;
            2. TPDM want to leave Eritrea and go surrender to Ethiopia;
            3. At the border we shoot at them
            4. Then they shoot back at us (our conscript army) with the guns and bullets we gave them. They kill us. We tell the mothers of these young Eritreans that they denied protecting Eritrea.
            5. Those we didn’t kill or those who didn’t kill them selves, we keep in Eritrean prisons…

            Is this stupid or evil?

            saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Saay,
            I think it is pure evil. If the government ever considered the cost of achieving what it wants, then all the death and shenkolel would make its actons stupid. However, since it gives no value to the life of its citzens, their suffering is not of any concern in its calculation. Its motivation was to punish and humilate Ethiopia. It continued to do so and didnt care about sanctions, its reputation etc. Due to the current world affairs, if the UN security council lifts the sanctions, the Eritrean government will declare it won. No one will be held accountable for the suffering it unleashed on its population with the pretext of national security.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam saay,

            These points are part of the foreign policy of the Eritrean government. They are also part of the grand politico-military strategy aimed to satisfy the “motives” of the regime. Identifying the motives will help us to answer your question. Most probably we might not agree. Because motives could not easily and demonstrably illustrated from the perceptive observers, unless we get leaks from the circles of policy makers. In that regard you might be in better position than me. In any case, I will determined motives from circumstantial evidences. And here is my take:

            (a) Essayas’s personalities are good indicators to his motives. Essayas has obsessive impulses to power and with that he exercised the evils of power against his colleagues and civil servants in his governments.

            (b) The opening of saw training center and the the motives behind it: the purpose of saw training center is more than a military training center. It is used for holding the young inquisitive Eritreans who demand changes – changes in the qualities of their lives and change in how the Eritrean people govern themselves. Sending the Eritrean students to sawa after eleventh grade completion and holding them for endless national service which is characterised as modern slavery is the evil motives of the regime.

            (c)The regime is good in transforming imaginary enemies into real enemies, as a result he created unnecessary wars with its neighbors to thrust its prominence of power in the region. So the regime is training Ethiopian and Djibouti opposition groups to destabilise the countries in the region. The Eritrean lives we lose in that evil adventure with evil its motives is not stupid, it is evil.

            Regards

      • blink

        Dear saay
        Thanks for the YouTube video, it is good someone from the Christians come forward with such messages. My only question is , can a 2800 Family in Akria afford to finance such big school at PFDJ time ,where every money machine are out of business or controlled by PFDJ cronies ? I mean let’s take the expenses of the school at a minimum , how much is small ? There must be a gold mining in Akria family hidden from PFDJ which is impossible to exist . I remember students who went to extention to Enda mariam or barka , they were paying big money . I don’t believe there is a private business that exist in Eritrea with out being a solicitor for PFDJ . Is there any realistic reason for this school to be financially independent from outside help ? Or is the school just for very rich Muslim kids ? Are there even rich Muslim people left in Eritrea as this time ? Didn’t we heard the PFDJ policy put the Muslims at disadvantage while the Tigrinya? Saay the last question is not directly for you because I knew you didn’t entertain such views.

        • saay7

          Blink:

          Breaking news: all private schools are attended by children whose parents have enough disposable income to afford it. All you are doing is speculating because if i ask you what’s the average income of the parents, the remittances paid by their family members (because keeping that school afloat is a priority to them) and what is the tuition at the school, i bet you you don’t have the faintest clue. Go ahead: prove me wrong. Still that won’t stop you from speculating and essentially being a conveyer belt for the government’s whisper campaign.

          If tomorrow the government said yeah it was funded by Qatar you would instantly buy it without evidence.

          You continue to disappoint.

          saay

        • Berhe Y

          Dear blink,

          When you asked :
          “can a 2800 Family in Akria afford to finance such big school at PFDJ time ,where every money machine are out of business or controlled by PFDJ cronies ?”

          I sense that are casting doubt if the financing by the parents is true?

          What I wanted to focus is, not if it’s true or not but actually to question, this whole justification we are giving.

          If they were finianced by foreign entities, SO WHAT? As long as it’s legal and they disclose their finiances like any other entity then what’s wrong with it. Why are we trying to justify the stupidity of HGDEF.

          Every school in Eritrea and Ethiopia for that matter was in most part finianced by foregien entities.

          Iasayas Afreworki got his education ab enda kenish in a school which was finisnced by the Swedish / Lutheran church?

          I don’t know where you got your education but I bet it was build and finianced by some sort of foreign entirety.

          Do you think AU or any other school for that matter in Eritrea is financed by Eritrean government?

          The British finance the British council and the British library in Asmara. The Americans do the same? The Italians do the same thing. The catholic and the Lutheran school do the same thing.

          Almost all schools in ERITREAN even those build during HS are build by foreign entities.

          HS himself got his education in Harer by a school created and finianced by French Nuns.

          There will be saay, dr. Bereket or IA if it wasn’t for those foreign entities.

          I am just appalled how we normalize the evil intention of IA.

          Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Let’s assume even the school was financed by PFDJ cronies forget foreign entities. The money that spent as saay indicated also can be by diaspora families. The one point we have is , the one who put money on the table decides the plan for the school , if the family wanted to educate their children Islamic versus in a school for 3 years or 2 , they can do it in a mosque even if the government said no at the school. The main point is PFDJ go after money or power to control, they don’t care about dogmatic rules of a Mosque or church, they must have some thing they dearly wanted from these institutions. I don’t believe PFDJ wanted to close these institutions just for the sake dogma or religious preaching angles. I heard they are confiscating the Bizen Church property’s around enda mariam and edaga hamus as well us edaga laka, this was just before 3 weeks . There must be something behind this , I am not convinced PFDJ will close religious institutions out of concern for the good will of the children, there hundreds of thousands in all regions who go to schools and yet attend mosques and churches and they have enough time learn what ever their religious scholars teach them. I don’t see Aboy musa as a danger to preach hate using religion , PFDJ must have some thing they wanted dearly and take the risk.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            You are leftover for good rotting. The page you exist on turned over. Al-Dhiya school kids and their grandpa Sheikh Mussa Mohammed Nur opened a new page for the Eritrean people.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear al arabi
            Good luck with that , see you on the airport then , no need to go back and forth. You don’t need to drunk about this . The whole created by dictator Issaias is way way deep to have a run- way to Singapore blush dream , I always loved it.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            You don’t know the people of Eritrea. They are hardworking industrious people and people who respect law, love justice and order. The mafia has created among them suspicion for the past decades. Tuesday, 31st of October erased that suspicion and threw them on the face of the mafia and all who were trading by our religions and cultures. All cards of the mafia and their supporters are burnt. The 31st of October 2017 is a landmark in the history of Eritrea. Mr. blink, development requires advanced management, skilled leaders and laborious people. That’s all. I think, you are unable to understand what has happened on Tuesday and the following days.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear Al arabi
            I know what I know but i am also really open to know to the unknowns yet not from some one with the courage of a kitchen mouse. I hate a false propaganda mozayk because of its fragility.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            The English say: An empty bottle sounds more. The commodity you were trading ceased to attract customers in the Eritrean arena. You and your likes are naked to the bottom at present. Whatever kind of propaganda you make through widely spread medium you will not attain a customer for your rotten commodity. Traders call such kind of commodity a dead stock. The only option you have to move out of the Eritrean market, that is, if you get buyers in other parts of the world. I think, you and your masters are the last creatures on the face of the earth to speak about courage. People with courage do not shoot at children and imprison very old people. Those who torture children, women, old men and innocent people are only cowardice.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            No comment ,you are very very intelligent , pls find your level sir. I do not want to waste your time.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            The Arabs say: Lies rope is short. I understand the unpolished guys crammed you with that politics is based on lies. Politics, my friend, is setup on “arts of the possible”. Secondly, you have to apprehend well those you engage with in debate in this website are well-read and experienced people. They are matured enough to understand, analyse and come up with propositions that widely opens the door for more discussions and understanding. The people who comment here are not amateurs. When you come here have good manners. Democracy and justice are based on honesty and facts on the ground not on lies. You claim to be a justice seeker and democratic or liberal person. I would like to remind here a person who holds all these credentials will never lie. If two persons told you your head is not on top of your body immediately try to feel it.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear hameed
            Yes yes ,experienced enough, in fact most of them become old by talking to each other about a flying bird , what is this all bragging ? I don’t go out my way making lies about events that did not happen, you are spending too much time in deflecting my views and that is your fields of mastery. This would be the stupidest possible reason for any one or all of us to die , who die for his religion in this 2017 ? Hameed ? I think I guessed right, Stop trolling because I don’t give a flying fly about it. You are too wise to lecture about democracy plus your religion. By the way cut this secret childish in your verses , I don’t buy such . Hameed telling about democracy, watch the news of Arabs , you would be a good father as I guessed.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            My attempt was not to persuade you. It was just to turn you to your true raw nature, the Medieval Age, all to watch. Anyhow, I would like to remind repeatedly that your rotten commodity has no customer in Eritrea, bye bye to the debris of history.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear Hamid
            Medieval times? Really Hameed !!! Am I that much religious lunatic ? What happened to the women driving in Saudi , Glory to them.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            There are two kinds of ignorance. The first one knows he is ignorant and endeavors to learn. The second one is called double ignorance, ignorant but he doesn’t know that he is ignorant. He behaves like a genius person though his ignorance is vivid and self explanatory. Now, let me make it simple hoping you understand it. The mafia in Asmara call themselves PFDJ for democracy and justice. Do you think they are true democratic and just people? This you can apply to many things. Some persons may be named ቡሩኽ (blessed) though may be a cruel person. In our world there many things contrary to their names and motto.

            In Islam a woman can learn, trade, cultivate, ride and lead her camel or horse, fight, takes care of casualties in wars, educates, drive a car or plane, etc.; shortly, she is allowed to participate in all walks of life. Saudi Arabia is not a sample of Islam as Rome is not a sample of Christianity.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear hameed
            I am wondering if you tell yourself that kind of story repeatedly and I can see the out come of repeated such claims to purify the unchangeable in uttering failure. You are with the wrong cause . You do not need to fight and die for this false claim , you can do better things in this world. Free yourself from this chains. Be a free man , don’t spend your time praising one man who wanted to be praised day in and day out while children are born children with skin cancer. When is he going to be responsible??

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            I wonder more than you. I repeat the same thing, the reason you enjoy a very slow understanding that may take years but decades. The reason Eritrean people suffer, there are many like you. All brothers and sisters are repeating the same so as to liberate the people of Eritrea from their sufferance. Ignorant guys only continue to say, “Hoh, hoh, hoh” and dance for their destruction and disappearance from the face of the earth. No one would have cared about your understanding and practices if doesn’t extend to others. You are a contagious disease that is why we fight you to protect our people. How wise Eritrean sleep and take rest while a bunch of ignorant guys have sworn to destroy the country.

            I wonder sometimes you come out to lecture us there is no God, and sometimes you make something that doesn’t exist, according to your faith, responsible for “children born with skin cancer”. I think, your end from our world will be by cancer.

            Al-Arabi

          • blink

            Dear hameed
            where do you get this all , come on, it does not matter if one dies from cancer or bomb set by people who follow the ruling of false believes, the difference is the first one can find medicine in the coming generation through science while the second one must be crushed by sheer reality, it does not matter for the dead body , what you have to understand is death is certain , what is uncertain is someone flying to space in the old times by horse to divide the moon from earth , what is uncertain is walking on water as if it is a light water replant substance , shame there are people who wanted to protect this false thing .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi blink,

            You said, “death is certain”. Why do you accept that death is certain? Is birth certain? What is your mission in this world? Why you are here? Is the understanding capacity of all creatures the same? Is the sight capacity of all creatures the same? Does science do not explore it means it doesn’t exist? If you dodn’t walk on water today, dose it mean you will not walk in the future? Before decades there was no tv channels, mobile phones, computers or internet; but today there is. Every disease in our world has a medicine except death. It is your role to get cancer medicine who is wasting his time on lies and extreme greed. The world is not created for you alone. All creatures have the right to live on our mother earth. The world is not your private room.

            Al-Arabi

          • Peace!

            Hi Ala-Arabi,

            Straight from PFDJ playbook, may be spies? What an awful October surprises!

            Peace!

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi Peace,

            You are right. October has become a surprise, shock and an evaporation of un-noble dreams.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            Okay I understand where the angle you were coming now.

            What the PFDJ wanted to control is citizens that have moral value. You see those schools teach moral value or believe that is passed on from generation to generations. Those values are what keeps the Eritrea society sane even if we are faced a lot of challenges. For example, compared to our size in most places that we immigrate, how many of our people, men and women (specially women) venture in behavior, like drugs, prostitution, gangs, criminal activities etc.. There are some exception but over all I don’t think the number of bad news you hear related to Eritrean heritage is not bad. Now recently we start to hear a lot of that, in Europe and other places. It could be as a result of their situation but I think it’s because their moral value was compromise by the PFDJ system of government and their indoctrination in Sawa.

            PFDJ wanted citizens who do not have moral values that they can easily manipulate. Alaiya school focus on academic excellence, core moral values consistent with their believes and religion and building up an upright human beings. Hajji Musa is the image and the role model what the school stands for. They do not want the citizens to grow up and be honest, fearless like Aboy Hajji Musa. They wanted the citizens to be wishy washy, to spy on their friends and neighbors, to spy on their parents and cousins and to make them selfish citizens who live in constant fear.

            A simple question for you? Do you expect anyone who graduated from this school to be a spy for PFDJ?

            I would say, if you can find 1 person out of the 2800 you will be lucky…Now compare that to the spies that are coming out from other schools…then you will be the judge.

            That’s what the PFDJ is after…..

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear berhe
            Well our people normally behave well and i think it is not about going to school really, the family values, upbringing childhood plays a great role. The few you see with drug and all kind of bad things comes from PFDJ failed policy , like for example many families are really stressed because the supply chain of the family is at the hand of PFDJ . For PFDJ everybody is seen things to control. I still could not understand the reason behind the closure of these religious institutions, I mean politically it is just not going to give the PFDJ needed results. Spies? They have many but what could they possibly spy ?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            The reason IA doesn’t want to end SAWA is even at the expense of being labeled N Korea of Africa is because he knows in Sawa he installs FEAR and obedience to the young people. And they know they only have two choices in Eritrea.

            1) To stay obedient and do as was told, endless life in military service.
            2) Leave the country and be as far away as possible and mind your own business. Work hard and help send money to support your family (in a sense support IA) government.

            saay, I think IA is evil and NOT stupid.

            Yes a lot of it comes from parents, but Eritrean parents become like that because of the deep believe in their faith and the culture based on their faith.

            If you look at the Christian population in Eritrea because most schools who use to provide faith in the school have been vanished, you will see the fear that it has installed in the young population.

            For example, not sure if you are aware, but in Sawa, the PFDJ does not allow to have bible or anyone carry bible to read? Why because if you read the bible, people learn a lot of things and one of them is to be FEAR less to authorities.

            They use to go after young people who gather for bible study in their private homes and arrest them. Now the Christian orthodox population was saying “Hray geberuwom nezom Pente”. So to me this banning of religious study is along the same line of PFDJ thinking.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            HI Berhe,

            “The reason IA doesn’t want to end SAWA is even at the expense of being
            labeled N Korea of Africa is because he knows in Sawa he installs FEAR
            and obedience to the young people.” , I agree with you. Plus they want to make sure that “sga Siwa’at” holds it’s meeting throughout the board. You are immediately expected to stop complaining or demanding and you be compliant because your killer drop the “zeban siwa’at” bomb!!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            Now think about if we have a counter measure ready document for the youth to read ahead of their recurrent in sawa? Teaching them what to expect and most importantly how to stay strong and survive the ordeal but try all they can to organize collectively resist.

            I think that’s what we need to focus on and have these document smuggled, shared with social media and accessible to everyone.

            Our struggle instead of being defense we go for the offense.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I agree on sawa ,

            Sawa could have been great if it was used as the first plan but as you said sawa is a mind murder house, sad.

            You are right in sawa bible and Quran are forbidden ( I am happy though) kk . Eritrea after the sadist will need a new social engineering policy towards humanity and nature .
            The failure I saw in the diaspora is many but to mention one many young people are goalless, visionless and that could be the result of stress, no one to help them. I worry what will happen after the dictator, Eritrea will need cool heads , Eritrea will need people who are not closed mind ( away from Ethnic, religion and regional). We need healers . I don’t believe we have healers at the moment.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi blink,

            “Eritrea after the sadist will need a new social engineering policy towards humanity and nature .”

            How about you do social engineering on yourself first.

            Like to leave us alone to our believe what ever we want to believe.

            You call yourself atheist but you are not one. Atheist as far as I know do not bother the believers.

            You are are actually anti-believers, same as PFDJ.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear berhe
            I thought we settled that leave us thing long time ago. What you mean leave us alone ? Leave the Haleka torment little girls infront of many people at their marriage time , do you mean to leave sheiks decide over family inheritance? Do you mean to leave you do whatever you wanted to do using your church dogma?
            Listen berhe if Eritreans got their intended goal of a democratic Eritrea, expected to see news papers to push society away from old full of lies praising the unknown, expect to screw your Haleka and keshi ,that is what will happen sir. Don’t just expect the youth to be ruled by unseen people of old books.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            ናትካ እኮ፡ ወሓጥዮ እንተ በልኩዋስ ትጎስሞ. I thought we were done but you don’t seem to get it and leave the people alone to believe in what ever they want to believe. You don’t speak for me and certainly you don’t speak for a majority of Eritreans so your “social engineering plan to make the Eritrean people “anti-believers” is certainly a wrong approach. You should research what early Italians scholars have discovered, when they tried to convert the population to Catholic. In over 60 years they managed less than 5% of the population to convert from Orthodox and Islam.

            ክንደይ ዘይጠረጥና በለት አድጊ፡ ድዩ ዝበሃል፡) Yes, you leave the the people alone to believe what ever they wanted to believe. As long as they are not imposing their believe and will to you, you should respect people’s freedom and private matters.

            How many times does Saay has to explain to you, when it comes to inheritance, marriage and divorce that you keep bringing / repeating. Do you have any clue how a legal system works? He said the Eritrean courts have higher authorities than the traditional / Sharia courts. That means, any decision is made using the sharia systems, the persons involved have the right to appeal their case to a higher court all the way to the supreme court. Do you even know what this means in practical terms. In the orthodox Christian culture, it may be formal as in Muslim and there is no specific name for it but the same thing applies, specially when it comes to divorces. The government even if people wanted to divorce, it asks the party to find a way to settle their differences using shimagle instead of the courts..from the women and family side. Usually there are three from the women side, and three from the man side and there is aboy keshi / abat nebsi who is neutral and who suppose to bring the two families together.

            I don’t care how backward you think this is, but in fact it’s a lot more effective and a lot more better for the well being of the parents and specially for the children. In this so called western system, as soon as the government/ police are involved, the first thing the do is break up the family and ask the father to leave and the women to go somewhere/shelter. I understand if there is violence involved it may be the best approach but the lawyers involve and they do all they can for the family NEVER to reconcile and go on endless dispute and break up the homes. They ended up taking a lot of money and in the end, everyone loses (except the lawyers). Our elders have years and years of experience, wisdom that you can’t just have because you can scribble English here and there.

            I am sure if Aboy Hajji Mussa were given a chance to speak for an hour, you would learn so much wisdom. But please leave your bias alone and do us a favor and listen to Aba Markarios video. Just listen to what he says and judge your self if you ever heard such wisdom by the so called Eritrean elite like your self.

            I believe him and I believe many others like him 100 times than someone like you. In his words the women that you are to protect, he said “they are the the wives, the mothers, the sisters and the daughters” of someone.

            You can’t, and will not care more for the Eritrean women than the fathers, the brothers, the sons of the women.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            So suddenly the dictator has high court ! The community court many of them still serve the men not the women and you want to go with it. The domestic abuse is not yet on discussion but let’s leave that for another day , I leave saay lecture to some one who doesn’t know ,I just learned how to play word puzzle games nothing more. Western world justice system is at least the minimum we can demand from next leaders of Eritrea unless bleeding Eritrea s justice system to reach that level is a prerequisite. Religion is a private thing and I did not say it is for someone to decide but since when is religion out of state affairs ? Even in America play great role. Pushing the next generation to look justice away from traditional religious leaders is a paramount issue to consider. So you think the 5% of catholic is small ? If Eritrea’s next generation becomes more concerned about domestic abuse , trust me the traditional justice system will get a shocking news.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            You know the women that go to those courts have, a father, a brother, an uncle etc. Do you think in your honest opinion that, her own father would serve the interest of her husband…if her husband is abusing her? All I can say is ‘ms weledka fetuno:-). I understand most parents would say “tSememi or Hadarki giberi etc: .after the way all the options but they don’t serve the men just because he is a men. Yes, the girl side have the ability to go higher courts…and it has worked that way even before PFDJ..so I don’t know your point.

            what I can say is..blink..you know we should work based on priority list…spending too much time and too much effort to solve a small problem is not wise way of spending your resources. In Eritrea we have a huge problem right now..and the religion institution is not one of them, considering HUGE problems we have.

            I will take a time out now, I mean it.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.

            It is said that dictators hate religion mainly because: a) religion teaches about another superior authority, which undermines the total and uncontested authority of the dictator, b) religion is an organization made up of an organized group of people with solidarity that can easily be made to stand for change and against injustice, (this is true both for the christian and muslim religions), and c) religion stands for a different value system, which in this case undermines the value system of ghedli and its legacy, the regime believes gives it the legitimacy to rule, and w/o which it cannot control the people.

            Sawa is nothing else but a brain washing institution of young people, whose minds are yet to be affected by different ideologies. This is done through instilling fear as you said, confinement, indoctrination, etc. It is one of the ways the so-called stockholm syndrome is incorporated into the psyche of people, and they do not react to injustice.

            The dia/pfdj system has a plethora of experience and knowledge of such ways of doing things, and they learnt all from the chinese, the soviets, albanians, and others during the 70s, and they have refined the methods. It is working for them fine, and they have no reason to terminate the sawa institution.

            In addition, the regime has forced (more or less) the eu into a corner, where the eu is damned if it gives economic assistance to the regime, because it will sustain it, and it is equally damned if it does not, because the regime will open the flood gates of refugees. One should also remember that dia had once said that refugees increase the gdp and the per capita income, which shows that what the regime does is well studied.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            I agree to almost all what you said except:

            “c) religion stands for a different value system, which in this case undermines the value system of ghedli and its legacy, the regime believes gives it the legitimacy to rule, and w/o which it cannot control the people.”

            If you just replace “ghedli and it’s legacy with PFDJ” we all will be happy.

            Most people in Ghedli had no issue with religion or believe. It’s IA and his PFDJ are (actually I think only IA) who are against all things ERITREAN.

            Berhe

          • Selamat QebaH,

            Eish al laEba di? Argue for tSAtSE’s sake kindly the policies of the PFDJ that are not failures? OR not.
            God Bless you brother. Jesus Love YOU.
            I am sharing this from my class this evening. It is what Hajji Musa MoHamednur in his speech on October 31,2017 referenced.
            Philipians 1:21 “For to me, to live is Christ [He is my source of joy, my reason to live] and to die is gain [for I will be with Him in eternity].” AMP
            tSAtSE

          • blink

            Dear xaxe
            Their policy has been a failure from the beginning, I mean Eritrea’s national security was doomed when they push the youth out and let the women run the remaining herds. That Philip thing , I have no clue. I have never ever read that book.

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            If you want to get any financing, even charity from outside, even to get a mosque built, you get a letter written, approved by the PFDJ (complete with the Awet nHafash seal) to build or renovate a mosque.

            The Dia School was built by the community, financed entirely by the community. Blink is, once again, talking about things he has absolutely no clue about. I don’t know why people speak in abstracts when they can get the tangibles by simply asking.

            saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        First, let me join to those who cheered you in presenting this timely article. You did a good job to educate how sheria “was and is” practiced in Eritrea, and how “religious institutions” and our “secular laws” practiced and lived side by side.

        Second, I am glad to listen the solidarity speech of Abune Menkerios of the Orthodox Church to the event that took place in Akria, resisting to the encroachment of the regime to their religious institutions. Patricia Mische in “the journal of religion, conflict, and Peace” explained the significant role of religion for social justice. She said: “One reason that religions may have played a powerful role in history is that they often carry the archetypes, symbols, stories, and world views through which people shape their identity, designate their deepest questions of meaning, deal with problems of injustice and suffering.” I believe the religious institutions in Eritrea are taking the lead in the struggle of social change in our nation. And hopefully we will keep that momentum. Thank you for the clip.

        regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • Alex

        Hi Saay,
        Could you enlighten me what the response regarding the arrest of Hajji Mussa Mohammed Nur and demonstration from Alamin Mohammed Seid . The reason I am asking is the Gov did not tell us why they arrest the school board and the students. Yemane tweet does not tell us anything except defending the Gov that no body was killed or injured. Thanks

        • saay7

          Selamat Alex:

          Until someone who was there tells you first-hand information:

          * Alamin Mohammed Seid’s presentation was the usual “facts on the ground seminar” that the roving PFDJ reps give: things are good and getting better every day” don’t-worry-be-happy speech;

          * With respect to the demonstration, he said they were as young as 5 years old and obviously didn’t know what they were doing, somebody else was telling them what to do, but it was all over in 5 minutes.

          saay

          • Alex

            Hi Saay7,
            Thanks for your response. I am not surprised by his answer. All of them give the same answer regarding the situation back home. Every thing is good and not taking ownership for any mistakes.

    • Brhan

      Hi Kebessa,
      PF(JD) has a policy with regard to information. It could be in few words. But let me guess: it is gone be like can of worms so better let us not open it. That has been the PF(JD) policy

  • blink

    Dear saay
    This is excellent in many ways ,all the Eritreans back ground, all the way up to Sudan thing , I mean this is saay at his best , saay this is not an article for debate in many ways of course minus the small house with 7 children things and the few jabs at people who do not agree with you in few issues . It’s in a public archive PFDJ arrests any one who stand against their horrific act. No one disputes Issaias one man crime. Giving lecture about Eritreans Sheria to some MoZoGu is admirable but pushing your own views as acceptable as normal is disease of some powerful people attitudes and I disagree you have that kind of thing. Issaias and his cronies will say any thing, I mean any thing on their disposal to safe guard their killing machine and that is expected. But to remind you again the small house is not always small. The small house has many herds, camels , shops and even big warehouses and it was all given to male who did a fraction comparing to their sisters.

  • Legacy

    Hell Awate readers,
    I am surprised this rising half Eritrean star hasn’t made the round of discussion here yet. She came out of no where . I myself only heard of her last week and suddenly she is now hosting one of the premier satire shows.
    https://youtu.be/32byfjSXIX0

    • Paulos

      Selam Legacy,

      Yea I was watching SNL the other day and when I saw the last name, I said she must have Habesha roots. And that seems to be the case. Thanks for sharing.

      • Legacy

        Hi Paulos,
        This girl’s background is very touching . She has endured so much at a young age. She is very expressive and you should watch some her interviews which I did to kinda get up to speed with her story.

    • Lamek

      Legacy, I was reading about the movie Girls Trip with Queen Latifa etc. and saw the name Haddish. I got curious and started looking her up. Her father is actually Eritrean and passed away a few years ago if I remember correctly. Her mother is African American. He left when she was really young. A few years ago, she desperately searched for him and payed a PI and found him for her. They reunited but he was ill or fell ill shortly after they met. He passed away and her reaction to his passing away is so touching.

  • Ismail AA

    Hayak Allah saay7,
    No comment; this is simply magnificent.
    Thank you.

  • MS

    Hello SAAY
    “A Hajji can be a patriot, as is the case here. A patriot who takes his religion AND civil liberties very seriously, as is the case with Mr. Mussa Mohammed Nur.” Well said.
    As usual, smooth flow. You tied up many essentials. A smart legislator deliberating on the issue would probably use exact content and style.
    Such a protest would have been something normal in countries such as Cuba, Iran, Sudan, etc. Not in Eritrea. Students of one school has not only caused the mobilization of the entire security force in Asmara but also triggered the rapid response of the Central Command.
    Thanks again.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selam Saay,

    Very nice, I am glad that I was/am busy. haha!

    Those who took defensive posture initially and in support of the government’s action should seriously consider what they are really supporting and put a stop to it. This is another good moment to strengthen unity.

    Hajj Musa spent all of his life fighting for the right of millions of Eritreans to be free. I hope many more Eritreans will see the irony and the outrageous nature of arresting him for essentially being religious.

    If this goes unchallenged, the next logical move for the government is to bulldoze all mosques and churches and make Eritrea a truly “civilized” country where everyone is Sawa graduate and only one demy-god is worshiped!

    I wonder what kind of excuses would be invented to justify that too.

  • iSem

    Hi Sal:
    First the piece reads like a silk, smooth,one of your best from the multiple writing styles. I love it
    On explaining Sharia, Hajji and Allah Akber: you did a noble thing, but the supporters of PFDJ have made their decision and it is not based on ignorance, mostly, it is their implement, if it was mere ignorance, Alamin M. Seid would explain it to them, even Sherifo would have explained it them, Osman Saleh would clarify it to them, even better yet IA, who once donned Jallabia and tarbun attended a mosque prayer would explain to them. It is the choice of the bigots and what motivates them, I read in Asmario someone praising Dr. A,bdulhay Yusuf for reducing the percentage of Eri muslims to 70% from the claim of 75% by some Eritreans
    So by your sort of Islam for the uninitiated you have preached to the choir, those who when given the opportunity like passing by the lowlands to go to Sudan and living in Sudan for more than 6 years were so adamant to learn about the other part of Eritrea, and PFDJ has not explained Eritrea to Eritreans, why would they kill the goose the lays golden eggs.
    PFDJ moves the target for us, we have to explain why the opposition was station in Addis, now we have to explain why some Muslims say Allah Akber instead of clapping like robots, we have to explain what Hajji means, what Sharia entails and even what a student who is mujjahid is doing with his school
    No one explained Eritrea to Haile D when his classmate and friend, Woldesus Amar told us how he wanted to learn about the Saffa. Hailed D lived during Eritrea’s gilded age.

    • blink

      Dear isem
      Yes that guy , I was laughing at the way he treat me , the guy has islamophobia disease. He praised the lunatic sheikh for missing 5% . All of them in that forum have the decency to insult people.

      • iSem

        Hi Blink:
        and the irony is, he grew up with Muslims and knows them well, u would expect him to be better than that. So that is why I said, it is not ignorance, Islam101 will not help these guys

  • Aklilu Zere

    Good day Brother Sal.

    There shall always be a straw that shall break a camel’s back. Thanks Sal for enlightening us. You are a Gem.

    • saay7

      Aklilu the Great:

      Is it too late to rename the article “There Shall Always Be A Straw That Breaks The Camels Back”?

      We missed you badly. Glad you are back!

      saay

  • Paulos

    Selam Sal,

    …..It [The regime] is scared-to-death. There is no question about it. The fall of every regime has a starting and crossing point where Akhria is the new rising Eritrea’s Rubicon.

    Do you know what the allegation(s) labeled against Haji Mussa? Is he a political prisoner? What is the case mounted against him if any? Again thanks for the article.

    • saay7

      Selam Paulos:

      The government never charges anyone with anything when it detains them. Not only does it not tell them, asking “what are the charges against me?” is an offense punishable by more penalties, as Pilot Dejen told us.

      Refusing to be afraid of the government is the unspoken crime, compounded by emoldening people to be unafeaid of a tyrannical government. Take away fear, and you knock the legs of the lame govt.

      saay

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