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Around fifty thousand Eritreans are stranded in Yemen

Over 200,000 African refugees still remain stranded in Yemen, they are predominantly Somalis, Eritreans and Ethiopians.

Chinese, Pakistani and Indian ships have evacuated their citizens, and so were the Westerners  evacuated immediately after the war broke. So far, the regional governments have not made an attempt to evacuate their citizens. Somalia is the only country that can claim that instability at home prevents it from evacuating its citizens.

Ethiopia could evacuate its citizens via Djibouti, but so far it hasn’t done so. While the second major supplier of refugees to Yemen after Somalia, Eritrea, is thirty nautical miles away. Its territorial waters and its Islands are half the distance from Yemen. None of the Eritrean government owned media outlets has covered the plight of the refugees.

Our sources estimate there are around fifty thousand Eritrean refugees stranded in Yemen. The refugees escaped Yemeni refugee detention centers and UNHCR camps after the war broke. A considerable number of the refugees are new arrivals while others have lived in Yemen for more than ten years. The majority of the refugees are originally from the coastal regions of Eritrea while others are new arrivals who escaped the forced military conscription in Eritrea.

Refugees reached Yemen hoping to sneak into Saudi Arabia or to continue their journey further north to reach Europe.

Reached by telephone in Sana’a, Hamoud, a refugee from Senafe said, “At this moment I am not worried about anything; I am just thinking about going back to my country to save my wife and children.” Hamoud and his family has stayed in a camp in the outskirts of Sana’a for the last two years. He has two children aged five and seven years.

A sizable number of fishing boats have transported dozens of Eritreans back to the coastal region of Eritrea. Those who made the return journey to Eritrea are people of the sea who traditionally do not recognize official entry points. They are skilled sailors who consider the sea their backyard.

Since the war reached Aden, human trafficking boats started to sneak out towards the African coast . Notwithstanding the Saudi imposed a blockade on Yemeni ports, many boats have left the coast carrying passengers who left on the perilous journey back to where they originally came from.

The traffickers are asking around US $2000 per person for a trip to Djibouti; those who can afford the price have embarked on the journey, but no one knows how many might have perished at sea. However, Ethiopians and Eritreans, who number over 100,000 combined, are still stranded in many parts of the war torn country.

On March 29, huge explosions shook Aden as the arms in a major arms depot in Jebel Hadeed went off for unknown reasons. People rushed to the area to collect weapons. Over sixty people were killed in the process, three of them “unidentified African refugees.”

Yemen is believed to be one the most heavily armed countries in the region. Every household keeps at least one weapon. Similarly, Yemeni tribes also have their own well armed militia forces that challenged government forces until the Houthi’s took control of many of their impenetrable mountainous regions.

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  • Nitricc

    Greetings people of Awate. I have been observing; if you will closely following with what is going in South Africa. As tragic as it even there is more tragic on the side of the Government of Ethiopia. Many African countries and even Boko-haram voiced their dismay with what is going in South Africa. I have read what Mozambican government has to say. i have read what the Nigeria government has to say. i have read what Zimbabwe government has to say. i even read what the Somalian government has to say, if there is one; the list goes on and i am embarrassed by the cowardice of the government of Ethiopia. Ethiopians if you don’t feel shame about your corrupted, irresponsible and failed government of yours; shame on you. yes, shame on you. Sure; you may say, what do you care and what is to you, Nitricc; well my answer is humanity. if the xenophobia is the case, what is the reason the Indians, the whites, the chainise and all other foreigners that are living well in South Africa never harmed while the poor black Africans are burned alive? South Africa and South Africans shall live in shame. Although I don’t have to be to hard on the Ethiopian government silence; they might ask for permitoin to say something and maybe the US must have said, shut your mouth. sham on you Ethiopia and Ethiopians.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Nitrickay
      Let’s stop making fuss about this. There are also Eritreans in South Africa who have been affected by this. Have you heard a statement from PFDJ’s government? The point is we have no moral leverage to bash Ethiopians on this matter (Sinai, Mediterranean…refugee camps, Libyan desert… Eritreans are dying everywhere. Have we heard statements from our government? Below is what I heard and read regarding Ethiopian response to the situation. Also listen at 04:55. Stay away from using real human tragedy for scoring a political point. Listen to an Eritrean, on the same, record, listen how that Eritrean is describing life over there. Any voice from our embassy? The Eritrean says he is not aware of any attempts our embassy is doing, where as we are told the Ethiopian embassy is in Durban to follow the situation from close proximity. Truth is truth Nit.
      http://tigrigna.voanews.com/content/south-africa-xenophobiac-attacks/2724138.html

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Nitricc,

      Shame is on you!

      FS.

    • Saleh Johar

      Nitricc,
      Now I understand what “toothless” means. Your comment explains it.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all

    The worst of human nature has been displayed in SaleH Johar’s story of Ona, in Durban South Africa, in the Middle East, and in many other parts of the world. We refuse to be overwhelmed by these inumane atrocities which tend to depict human race as a savage beast that has no separating characteristics from other beasts of the animal kingdom. However, there happen to be some among us whose hearts sometimes wander to the other side of political boundries and show love and sumpathy to communities they otherwise consider beleaguered. Below is a report by Getachew Reda (I don’t have enough information about this person, but the last time I checked he is against both PFDJ and EPRDF, even though he despises the idea of Eritrean State and its architectors, Eritreans, nevertheless, he displays humanity in abundance). I appreciate these types of efforts that cross boundry and politics. Whatever his motive might be (and I am encouraged to know more about him) his focus on complaints that we have been hearing is remarkable. I would love to read from Hayat Adem regarding his report. I choose you because you are an Eritrean female who knows alot about Ethiopian politics and policies; and who defend almost every line of those policies. I am picking on you because I believe you are the right knowledgeable person from among Eritreans who defend TPLF. TK will have to retire from this one for a while.

    “ማሕበራት ደቂ ኣንስትዮን ፤ ፖለቲካ ተቓወምቲ ውድባትን፤ ብዛዕባ ኣብ ሃገር ዘለዋ ደቂ ኣንስትዮ ኣማዕዲኻ መደረ ካብ ምግባር ኣብ ስደት ዝርከባ ደቂ ኣንሰርዮ፤ብሕልፊ “ኣክሰስ” ክርከብ ኣብ ዝካኣል ሀገር ከም ኢትዮጵያ ዝበላ ሃገራት ዘለዋ “ስደተኛታት ደቂ ኣንስትዮ ዘጓንፈን ዘሎ ጸገም “ፎከስ/ጠመተ” ምግባር ዶ ኣይነሓሸን? ተቓወምቲ ኮነ፤ ማሕበር ኤርትራዊያን ደቂ ኣንስትዮ ብሓባር ኮይንኩም ምስ መንግስቲ ኢትዮጵያን “ዩ ኤን ኤች” ሲአርን/ኢምግረሽን ቤት/ጽ/ን ተዛራሪብኩም ፍታሕ ንክትገብሩሉ በዛ ልዕኩቶይ የታሓሳስብ አለዅ። ኣብ እቲ መጽለሊ ስደተኛታት ዝርአ ጉድ ኣብ’ዚ ክገልፆ ኣይደልን እየ። ግዳስ ኣደዳ ጥንስን ሕርሰን ኰይነን መዋእለን ኣብ ጸላም ተዳጒነን ከይነብራ፤ ኩሉኹም ንክትራባረቡ እምሕጸነኩም ኣለዅ። ናይ ሚዲያ ነፍሒ/ፕሮፓጋንዳ ይጽናሓልና እሞ ፤ ከም እኒ ኤልሳ ጭሩምን ዶ/ር ኣልጋነሽ፤ ሜሮን እስቲፋኖስን ካልኦትን ዝኣመሰላ ብግብሪ ዘርኣያኦ ዝናኣድ ሰብኣዊ ጻዕሪ ከም ኣርኣያ ወሲድኩም ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ/ ትግራይ መዕቆቢ ስደተኛታት ብሕልፊ ኣብ ዓዲ ሓሪሽ ዝረከባ ኤርትራዊያን መንእሰያት ኣዋልድ፤ ንነዊሕ ጊዜ ብመንግስቲ ከይወጻ/ከይንቃሳቐሳ ዝተማሓለፈ መንግስታዊ ውሳነ ተቓውሞ ንክተስምዑ መጸዋዕታይ የማሓልፍ።”
    http://goo.gl/G87woC

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate friends,

    While we all are feeling sorry for what is happening to our brothes in Yemen and South Africa, we should know also every event here is for a reason. It seems to me there is a massage from the almighty (or natutre – if you want) that there is something wrong to let us face all those problems. the pain full experiance we saw people burning alive was a book sent to us. first RIP for those killed- they must be chosen for heaven the never ending pardise, but here we are those alive who should feel gulty. How can that happen to our brothers in South Africa the place of Mandela -RIP.

    The lesson is we Ethiopian and Eritrean People should not go out of our nations. our nations are rich enough to accomodate us. our nations are even richer than those countries we are searching job. Why you and me have to die in such way when we have our own respected nations called Eritrea and Ethiopia? and then the reason we give is economical /financial problem. Ethiopia today is very much comfertable for those who realy want to work. what is there that let you become poor? Eritrea is just a diamond – a stratgic land with read sea. what makes me leave this wonderful nation. is that PFDJ? if my fate for going out from my nation is death why for I have to leave my nation. what is the maximum thing I will face to challang PFDJ ? death? am I alive any way? for those who are sitll in Eritrea and Ethiopia my advice is Please don’t go out of your nation. for those of us who are out my advice is if you are living in peace and you can’t do anything to challange PFDJ for different reasons like sickness and others, please go to you nation. for those who are in comfertable place and are young please go to the field and arm yourself only then change will start even without any bloody big war. for those who want to reform (although I don’t agree) please do it.. ክብረትካ ኣብ ሃገርካ እዩ::

  • Nitricc

    Speaking of refuges; why is it the case of South African xenophobia ignored? They are burning people alive. I won’t post the burning people but look how they burn you. this black on black. sad,sad,sad,
    http://mereja.com/forum/download/file.php?id=26054

    • Saleh Johar

      Nitricc,
      Even you have picked the “toothless” expression Black on Black? What does it mean? Why can’t it just be cruelty of people on people? Why categorize and trivialize it as Black on Black? I would understand if one says so to give a follow up comment, “they always do it to each other…” Don’t be “toothless” now 🙂

      • Elenta

        Hi SGJ,

        Remember last year when the the Administration of KSA expel Ethiopians from Saudi Arabia. What was the Ethiopians in diaspora and in cyber saying?Were they only criticizing the criminals?Or were they ‘categorizing and trivializing’ it as Arab/Islamist on Habesha?

        You don’t see those cyber warriors venting their anger on these criminals as the same magnitude as on saudis.
        Nitric has a point.some times you need to use their language to envoy your message.

        • Saleh Johar

          You are right Elenta,

          Every time a tragedy happens, the extremists take advantage of it and spread their venom. I totally agree with you.

      • Nitricc

        Hi SJ you are right but i had two points in my head to express but i was in the middle of something and i left it open. the first point was about what Semere said.
        Semere Andom told us that wen TPLF invade Eritrea and get rid of PFDJ that is very welcome but if the TPLF change their mind and try to stay and then the Africans and the UN will protect us. so, when i said black on black i was trying to say see; what happens in Africa and with Africans? they can’t even protect themselves let alone protecting anyone. it just reminded me how Semere is clueless.
        the second part was that how people can be that animal. it wasn’t long ago when the whole Africa was behind the black south Africans during the apartheid but to see this kind of cruelty one African over the other; i have no words to explain. they are burning Africans alive. Africans supposed to embrace each other because they have endured untold hardship under the whites. to witness what is going is depressing.
        I just hope all Africans learn from this. the point is clear; stay home and make your country you wish a country to be. there is nothing out there; expect misery; humiliation and ultimately death. I just people learn from this and stay home.
        SJ I guess in the words of Semere the great….
        “it is healthy for minority to be threaten by the majority”

    • AOsman

      Nitricc,

      Initially I saw a clip where they brandish machetes and I though it was just for media consumption to scare off the immigrants so they leave South Africa. The second clip I had to stop half way….it is madness.

      Regards

      AOsman

  • Dayphi

    Happy Friday Gheteb and ALL.
    When Rahwa said, I hope the discussion on habesha is closed, I felt relief that we are done on chapter, ready to move to next. But i see brother Gheteb and others are still discussing it do i am compelled to make this final remark on my side. ( if i have to submit it in small chunks, blame my phone capability ).
    If i ask Gheteb and probably most of you ( outside mosques) what the name of the American Muslim scholar and author who translated the Holy Qu’an into American English was, you will correctly, say, Dr. Thomas Ballentyne Irving. ( T.B.Irving ) for short. If i propse the same question to my muslim brothers in my neighborhood masjid, without hesitation, they will all answer Al-Hajj ‘Ali Ta’lim ‘Ali.

    i am perplexed to see brother Gheteb, who’s writings i ike to read, going down to the level of splitting the hair between conventional, ceremonial, official, brand names of people, countries, things, AND the unconventional, informal, collo

    • Dayphi

      Informal, generic, and colloquial way of describing places, names of people or things.
      you can say the U.S. 42nd president was Bill Clinton or,
      You can say American 42nd president was William Jafferson Blyth lll. ( according to his birth certificate.)
      If you are riding a motor cycle ( moto) in Asmara, it is a vespa for an Asmarino/na, but a tug tug for an Addi Sogdino. Leaving Asmara towards Seraye if you ride a Settayo Autobus, and pay E$1.00, they will transport you upto Medefera. If Autobus Hajji Hassan, same direction, same fare, but the ticket will read Addi Wegri. ( i used to be embarrassed with that W word fiscribing the the alternate name of mendefera.)
      By now you got my point..so, back to
      Axumland, Habeshaland, Axumite, Hebeshas, Negus, An-Negashi, Ahmad, Armah, distorting facts. etc.
      We already settled with the term Habesha first been used, at least in record, by Himyarites arabs around
      2nd CE. If you follow my inyro with different names, all the axumites versus habeshites fall in that line between official name at the palace and colloquial name. Al-Negashi is an arabised word for The Nugus. Negashi is a title, not a given or a proper name, as we use to say it learning the ” Brighter Grammer”. Why Ahmad instead Armah or other Ethiopic name, the answer is simple. It is his muslim name. Remember about T.B. Irving and Hajj Ta’lim? 0r do you know the name of Ras Michael, the father of Lij Eyasu’ birth name was MoHammed Ali?

      • Dayphi

        Then i was asked for evidence. Ya Subhanallah! I have been reading WADHA & IBN AJLAN story all night, at fajr time, being asked who is wadha. Or who is Ibn Ajlan? The hadeeth i quoted is narrated by Umm Salamah, Radiyallahu Anha, who met Rasoolullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam as well as one of those who crossed the Red Sea and went to the Land of Habasha, andprobably met the NEGUS among the delegation. However, if you want more in book style, i suggest you read ASSEERAH AN-NABAWIYYAH of Ibn Hisham. You can download the pdf from your system. You can also read AL-RAHEEQ AL MAKHTOUM of Mubarak phapuori online. Ibn Hisham died circa 238 hijri. If you challenge me seerat ibn hisham is not 100 accurate, i agree. Afterall, which history book is 100 accurate.howmany historians are eye wittnesses when the history was on the makIng?
        I also agree different and sometimes contradictory historical account could be narrated by different people. That is accepted difference as long as is not under the spell or directive of ultra nationalis and fundamentalist interpretation. To make this point clear, youtube ” The invention of The Jewish People” by Dr. Shlomo Sand, an Israeli emeritus professor of history at Tel Aviv University, and ” The crocodile Tears” a clip by Norman Finkelstein. Both jews who are sick and tired of zionist propaganda to legitimize their land grabbing policy thru distorted, doctored, and twisted narration of history. Sad to say brother Gheteb’s presentation of Habeshannet goes with that line. Gheteb akhuy, with all love and respect, i call you to distance yourself from esayasims version of our habasha history and get the truth from our ancestors AND our deaced Mufti Ibrahim Mukhtar, Rahmatullah alaihi’s rich library. He was one of the most reverred historiam and geneologist of his time. He died in 1969 way before weyane was conceived or created.
        I hope, like sister Rahwa, this will be the end of the controversy except for any addition to increase our knowledge of our past shiny history. Wa Salamatkum.

        • Dayphi

          Correction !
          Ar Raheeq Al Makhtum ( The Sealed Nectar ) by Saifur Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri )

          • Dayphi

            Al-Hajj Ta’lim ‘Ali *

  • ‘Gheteb

    The Real Descendants Of Habeshat

    According to Dr. Eduard Glaser, the true descendants of the Habeshat people are the Mahars who speak a language called Mahari. Remember that the ancient kingdom of Habeshat was located in what is now the Mahar district in modern Yemen.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=sTgZAAAAYAAJ&dq=habashat&pg=PA415#v=onepage&q=habashat&f=false

    Who was Dr.Eduard Glaser?

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ” Eduard Glaser (15 March 1855 – 7 May 1908) was an Austrian Arabist and archeologist. He was one of the first Europeans who explored South Arabia. He collected thousands of inscriptions in Yemen that are today held by Kunsthistorisches Museum.

    Of all the travellers to the Orient in the 19th century, Eduard Glaser is considered the most important scholar to have ever studied Yemen. He contributed to the advancement of historical and cultural research on this important country, revealed its ancient history and documented its written and oral traditions. Yemen fascinated him, incited his imagination, beginning with his first visit to that country (1882-1884). He returned there on three other occasions (1885-1886, 1887-1888, and 1892-1894). In Yemen, Glaser disguised himself as a Muslim with the assumed name of Faqih Hussein bin Abdallah el Biraki Essajah, meaning, “the scholar Hussein bin Abdallah from Prague.”

    The word Habashat means gatherers in the Maharite language, according to Dr. Eduard Glaser.

    Anyway, here is a video I found that shows a little bit about what the ancient Habeshat’s language sounds like.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Gheteb,

      I posted the same youtube link a few days ago here:
      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/awate/around_fifty_thousand_eritreans_are_stranded_in_yemen/#comment-1960570871

      They are called Mahra not Mahars. A large number of them live in Kuwait and for some reason, they control the textile and ready-made clothes market. By the way, I was a best man for a Mahra friend and learned a few things about them. But I haven’t read or heard them say they were called Habsh because they were gatherers. They say they are part of the biblical Habesha from the times when the kingdon straddled the Red Sea. Some of them settled in India and established a kingdom after which some returned to Dahlak and ruled it for sometime.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Ahlan My Dearest Aya (ኣያ) Saleh A,

        Firstly, the honorific ‘Aya’ is verily apt for you are truly my older brother and you know it. The A is in memory of Al-Merhum uncle Abubeker who unfailingly called “My Son …..” and not my brother’s son and this was in the years after you left to join the ELF.

        Secondly, I haven’t seen the youtube link you posted a few days ago. Well, I skip many posts in this forum and I guess that is why it may have eludeded my attention or my eyes.

        Thirdly, I gleaned all the information about the Mahar from Dr. Eduard Glaser’s work in which he believed that the etymology of the word Habesha is from the Mahari language which meant “gatherers” as in gatherers of incense. The ancient Kingdom of Habeshat was located in what is now called the Mahar district in Yemen. It is my guess that they are now known as the Mahar because of where they hail from and they are the descendants of the early Habeshat. By the way, I used “Mahars” in the plural sense, but thanks for the correction.

        Fourthly, I think the Habeshat Kingdom was overrun by the neighboring kingdoms, either the Kingdom of Saba or the Kingdom of Hadremout and that I think is when many of the early Habeshat migrated to what is now Eritrea/Ethiopia and what you read/heard about their migration to India.

        Fifthly, a question that will hopefully make this Mahar issue as Keren-centric as possible. Is there any chance that Alamin Mahri (ምህሪ) and Ali Mahri(ምህሪ) of Keren could be from the Mahar that we are talking about? It is question that you must answer, Aya Saleh.

        Finally, “the biblical Habesha” that you are referring to, well I don’t know much about that. But what is so far confirmed is found in King Ezana inscriptions in which he declares that he is “the king of Aksum, and Himyar, and Saba, and Kasu ( Kush), and Habeshat…..” From what I have so far read, it was in the 4th Century CE. It was the earliest or the first time that word Habeshat was found by archeologists or epigraphists.

        Thanks for the feedback/ new info, Aya Saleh

        ‘Gheteb

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan Gheteb and Dayph

          Thanks Gheteb

          A few things that might help clarify some vague issues (terms and names) and reconcile different perceptions.

          1. At one time Greek was the lingua franca of the region and because of that names like Ella Asbaha, Ella Abraha, Ella Amida are all corrupted by the Greek language. They change the “THE” ال التعريف to Ella. Otherwise there were no names like Ella Asbaha, Ella Abraha, Ella Amida but االاصبحة ، الاعمدة ، الابرهة ،

          2. Here is the support for that: most ص are changed to ጸ in Tigrinya. Take – ጸፈሕ ጽባሕ – ጸሎት – صلاة – صباح – صفح. Just like the corruption of Ella

          3. On Mahra: Mehri is singular and Mahra is plural. In the 16th century, the Turks sent Gragn hundreds of Mahra musketeers. It is probable that they would adopt that as a family name. Maybe also other Mahra people could have come later on.

          3. Axum: the Kingdom was in Axum and it was thus known, Axumites. But the kings lorded over many people of the region, some of them Habesha.

          4. On the existence of Habesha, I think the most reliable sources are the Islamic references which are the oldest recorded due to the proximity and strong relations across the sea.

          5. Abyssinia itself is a corruption of Habesha–the masters of the time dictate the spelling and language. For example, you have seen the sign in Gira Fiori which reads CHEREN. God forbid all of us who know the proper pronunciation of the town passed away and an archeologist who reads only English finds that in an excavation. Imagine, everyone would say, there was a town called Cheren, CH like in Cherry 🙂

          6. Adolis is a Greek name and so is Erythrea. While some of our friends claim Adolis was their gateway to the sea, without questioning the origin of the name, they seem to have a problem with the name Eritrea–though both are of Greek origin.

          7. I chuckle when I read our region’s history written by local scholars yet using Azana which is in fact عزان ዓዛን and we have no problem pronouncing the Aa.

          • Dayphi

            Mashaallah ya ustathnal faadhil.
            a valuabe supplement to the interesting discussion. Blessed be your Friday.

  • Dayphi

    Dear Gheteb. And All
    i was answering to sis. Rahwa when she said ” i am lost. Tell me if the term Habesha was firdt used in 613- 615 or 870 ( as stated by Gheteb ). So 870- 200 when it was used by Himyarite arabs = 670 years diffetence.
    As for which Habasha, unlike today’s one part habasha in Eritrea and another part Habasha in Ethiopia, during the Prophet ( S.A.W. ) lifetime, there was only one strong unified Habashaland as was as mighty ad the other two regional powers. i.e. Greko/Roman empire and Persian/ Sassanid Empires. The sahabbas ( RA ) heeding yo the Prophet’s advice, crosses the Erythrean Sea and landed in REESE MIDRI, Badi3; now known as Massawa. They obeyed to their master’s directives to the letter.That part of land, i.e. Massawa, continued to be known as ‘ wilayet Habesha’ during the 400+ years of Ottoman Khilafa rule of the coastal and some hinderland areas. Now, if what Rahwa said about 870 ( as stated by Gheteb ) is not the case, I appologize.
    As entertaining the ” Habesha” might have meant Yemen or farther south of Arabian Peninsula, if you read Quran, there is a specific surah named after QURAISH. Surah no.106 that starts with LE ELA FE QURAISH.It is about the meccan caravan travels during summer north to Levant and winter caravan to Yemen ( not habasha ). Should the Hijrah was meant to that direction, they wouldnt have to ho to the west bank of the Red sea and pay boat fare to cross the sea. They could have easilywent onland with their camels. Very simple common sense. That south road was so knwn to Arab, easy travel as Route 66. Second, Yemen at that time, after the defeat of Abraha and his elephants mounted mighty invincible soldiers on the outskirts of Makkah, ( May Allah exceedingly honoureth and preserveth the City), the influence of Habesh in Yemen and beyond diclined severly, and the land changed hand of rule to Persian Sassanidrs. The was a bog revolution in the area lead by the arab strong man, SAIF IBN ZI YAZAN.( 516-574). Yhe revolution conyinued even after the death of the revolutionary aforementioned. The Prophet in his right mind would never send his followers into a place in war plus there was NO A JUST KING IN YEMEN or the environ at that time. One more thing. Yemen gor arabs, even during the conquest of Abraha Atzbaha was known as Yemen. Same thing during thr Sassanide rule.
    Conclusion: All fingers and historical evidences indicate that the The Fair and JUST KING AND KINGDOM of HABASHA imentioned in the Hadeeth is meant to OUR current Habasha-land from Badi3 ( massawa ) to Yeha and Axum and their surrounding . May Allah Bless The Land and People of Habasha.
    Gheteb akhuy: Just because you fon’t like to be called Habasha, doesnt give you the right to distort, alter or doctor our pure, honoring and distinguished history of Habasha that we are proud of, just to fit your agenda or mimicking esayas’ distortion of truth policy. If you want to learn, and need more information on the subject, please contact the curators/ children of Mufti Ibrahim Mukhtar ( RA ) in Asmara.

    Thank you, bro.

    • Dayphi

      Sorry.. i meant the care takers of the Mufti’s rich library. I believe one of his children still lives in Asmara.

      • Dayphi

        I meant the east bank of the RedSea from Mersa Shi3aibah, south of modern Jeddah.

    • Rahwa T

      Dear

      I hope the discussion on habesha is closed. Every year I hear the story of the advice of the prophet to his followers to go to the habesha land (the land of justice). From Mewlid holiday celebration I know that the prophet was born in 570. When I read Gheteb stating that the word habesha was first used by an arab writers in 870, that was where the confusion lied and I asked you to clear it to me. Thank you very much for your previous explanation.

      • Rahwa T

        Dear Dayphi,
        Sorry I missed your name.

        • Dayphi

          No problem Rahwa gualey and you’re most welcome.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam Dayphi,
      No, you have not quoted any historical references that exactly state during the first Hijira, there was a kingdom called the Kingdom of Habesha in Tigray/Ethiopia/Eritrea. What all records show is that the Kingdom in those times was called the Kingdom of Aksum. The two kings that historians mention are Ella Seham and Armah who were kings of the Aksum Kingdom in the period of the first Hijira. Historians refer to them as Kings of Aksum and not Kings of Habesha. There is a HUGE difference between the two because the term Habesha when it was used in those days refers to the whole region of the Horn Of Africa. That is what history tells us.
      I have not seen any historical artifacts such as coins, inscriptions with the term ” Kingdom Of Habesha” or “Habesha King” or ” King Of Habesha”. Contrast that to all the historical artifacts such as coins and inscriptions that state “King Of Aksum”.
      You can believe whatever you want, but that will remain as FAITH and not as provable facts. And that is what you have so far done.
      Another thing, please stick to what you know and stop accusing me of distorting facts or mimicking Essayas or doctoring this and that. I would not accuse you of working or mimicking or doctoring this or that or parroting what the Weyanes are saying these days. Why? Because I don’t know you and I don’t know that to be a fact. So, please stick to things that you know to be as facts.

  • hope

    Good Job Fresewra.If there are more than 50K Eris stranded in Yemen,well,we will be ashamed for not giving them a hand.
    Good idea Abu Hummed.
    That is our problem as Eritreans….that we cannot even organize ourselves to give a hand in such a kind of situation–and yet yet,t bluffing and day dreaming to “weed out” a well organized regime.
    One simple way is to ask the Indian rescures to rent one of their ships to evacutae the stranded Eris…to Port Sudan.
    How can we do it?No clue,man!It is just a shame not to do anything.

  • Dayphi

    Dear awate team.
    Does this sound a legit migration office to you ? I have a gut feeling people may compromise their personal ID by throwing itto unknown entity.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Paging Mahmud Saleh, The Par Excellence Lingiust including the Tigrait language. Paging Mahmud Saleh, The Chairman Of The Truth-Bound Society:

    Wo Mahmud Wed Abuye Saleh, Faris Wed Farsotat:

    Please, your help is needed here. I would like to know the meaning of the word “Romay” ( ሮማይ ) as used in one of the songs of Bekhita Ali. Please, if possible, dig deeper and render the etymology of the word.

    I am embedding the video of Bekhita Ali’s song.

    Others are more than welcome to chip in with your inputs and takes.

    Thank You in Advance!

    https://youtu.be/4IJ3684zhXo

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Cousin Gheteb
      No need to go to Wedi Saleh, he will tell that it is a fancy meaning.
      Romay is just a made up word just for the sake of rhyming with “werhi wetsiA bsemay’ Fihira, the fav singer of cousin Sal heard voices that sometimes the moon rises from meriet, but in Sahel it rose from the Skies 🙂

      • saay7

        Cousin iSem:

        “This people”? Uggggg, grrrrrrr

        Isn’t it the same in English? The noise that animals considered powerful ( lions, tigers, bears) are positively used (roar, growl) and those considered weak are negatively used (hiss, squeak, bleat.)

        So I hope you really did get in trouble. Sometimes you make feel like howling:)

        saay

      • Gebrekirstos

        Hi Semrere,
        I do not think it is a made-up word. In Ashenda, the girls have theis lyrics.
        ኣዋልደየ
        ዘንጊ ዶ ውሒጥክን
        ዘንጊ ሮማይ
        ስብርብር ዶ በላይ

        So clearly, it is not made-up. And Clearly, it must be a name of someone important whose ዘንጊ is also long that, if swallowed, would not allow the girls to swing (ስብርብር ዶ በላይ). Maybe it refers to the king of Axum : ሮምሃይ – ሮማይ Romhay?

        Gebrekirstos

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Gheteb and Haile Z;
          Thank you both for the gems in Tigrayit. For sure I did not know the word “romay” but instead of saying that I decided to poke fun about it as I did when Fihara’s song first came and I did not tell you I was kidding.
          Cousin Sal picked on it and he send me my punishment:-)
          Thank you both, I am glad it was not made up word

          • Gebrekirstos

            Hi Semrere,
            In what type of plane (projection) are Gebrekirstos and Gheteb one and the same? 🙂 And second the Ashenda lyrics is in Tigrigna. In case you do not know, Ashenda is a yearly girls’ cultural celebration.

            Gebrekirstos,

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Gebrekirstos:
            Early here, it was a mistake and I caught it before your post. the only similarity is they share some letters 😉
            I know Tigriniya, actually I first heard the word “romay” in Tigriniya, “romay, romay”
            Thanks for sharing this gem as well

    • Haile Zeru

      Hi Gheteb

      Browsing around I came around your post. I scrolled down and I saw Semere A. post and somehow I do not see Mahmuday’s reponse. Even though Semere A. is well versed with tigrayit, your question (I can see) had challenged him. So till FARS finds your post here is the meaning as I know it.

      First, Rome (name) and Romay (adjective) have no connection to Rome (capital of Italy) or Romania.

      -Rome in Tigre speaking people’s legends are a legendary race that existed before the present human race. They were huge very tall. The men were handsome and the women beautiful. Hence Romai./Romait (adjective), tall, handsome, strong.

      If you compare this giants to other legends, you find some in the bible. the Nephilim, though not exactly.
      In science the closest you can get are the Neanderthals.

      I Hope Mahmuday sees your post.

      Regards,

      • haile zeru

        Few correction on the above post….

        Hi Gheteb

        Browsing around I came to your post, the one above. I scrolled down and I saw Semere A. post and somehow I do not see Mahmuday’s reponse. Even though Semere A. is well versed with tigrayit, your question (I can see) had challenged him. So till FARS finds your post here is the meaning as I know it.

        First, Rome (name) and Romay (adjective) have no connection to Rome (capital of Italy) or Romania.

        -Rome in Tigre speaking people’s legends are a legendary race that existed before the present human race. They were huge and very tall. The men were handsome and the women beautiful. Hence Romai/Romait (adjective), tall, handsome, strong.

        If you compare this giants to other legends, you find some in the bible. the Nephilim, though not exactly.
        In science the closest you can get are the Neanderthals.

        I Hope Mahmuday sees your post.

        Regards,

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Haile Zeru,
          Thank you very much for your feedback.
          That was what I thought and suspected and that was why I was asking for the root/etymology of the word. I wanted to make sure from others whose competency in Tigrait language is much better than mine.
          No, I knew Semere Andom’s take on the word was wrong and hence why I just waited for someone else to give me a better/accurate meaning.
          I have so far written about the Habesha ( genesis, meaning, identity, history). This is also going to be a part of a post that I will write about soon in the same thread.
          Again, thanks a million, Haile
          With much appreciation,
          ‘Gheteb

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Gheteb,

            Since you have more than passing interest on the matter I will add the following:
            G(g)od was displeased with this beautiful legendary race, the Rome. So he asked them how do you want me to get read of you? He gave them two choices: do you want to perish by curse (Merghem) or benediction (medhHAr). Of course they told him we want to perish thru/by MedHAR (MiriQa).
            In Tigre calture (of course outdate) MedHar to newly wed couple is Wulad Tab-In wo IGLe unsat. May God give you male children and may your cows have female calves.

            So G(g)od told them axactly that.

            At the end all the Rome were only men and all their herd cows, females. The last of the Rome dug his own grave end he laid to rest in it.

            How about that?

            I think Modaina.com has a similar long story. Probably written in Tigre. You might like to check it.

          • AOsman

            Haile Zeru,

            Well the story about the Rom giants (check #73 and #74) and more you will find on the following link:

            https://archive.org/stream/publicationsofpr02littiala#page/88/mode/2up/search/rom

            “Shall I make you perish by a blessing or by a curse? Which do ye wish?” And the tribe of the giants said to God: “Now then, since thou art to destroy us, let us perish by a blessing!”

            About the query from Gheteb, I thought it was related to the name “Roma” as it is used in Kebesa and Romai would be..(Roma Haftey Natey as SAAY would say nay beshqetqet 🙂

            Regards
            AOsman

  • Gebrekirstos

    Dear forumers,

    I thought it might be easier to address, in one post, some recurring things that people seem to assume, take for granted, or attribute to me. I also want to, once gain, state my stand hoping that it clears some misunderstandings. In this post, I like to address, among others, and in a general manner, questions and assumptions by Mahmud Saleh, Ted, Fanti, and many others.

    1) Ethiopian Government atrocities before Eritrean independence.
    Eritrea and Eritreans were part and parcel of the oppressive system, and the atrocities committed on all of us. The system was imposed on all of us. It was an Eritro-Ethiopian system, and as such there is nothing an Ethiopian today should be apologetic to Eritreans about a shared past. In fact, if we are talking about numbers, the system was more Eritrean than it was Ethiopian for it had proportionally bigger number of Eritreans. According to this criterion, It was certainly more an Eritrean than a Tigrayan system. This is the general framework within which pre-independence events should be seen.

    2) I wish Eritreans had fought to reform the oppressive system together with the rest of Ethiopians, because that would be great for all of us. We would not be embroiled in endless wars of mutual attrition, deconstruction of our shared past history, wars of identities, identity imagination, and loss of unimaginable opportunities. More importantly, I believe that solving the Eritrean problem within Ethiopia would have been a lasting solution, as opposed to independence which, I think, is not a lasting solution as the statuesque shows, nor do I think it will be for the (foreseeable) future.

    3) Now that Eritreans opted for independence, I accept it and respect their choices (and with the benefit of hindsight, I am even happy about it). I also do not see any problem with independence perse.

    3) The problem: The problem is in the beliefs and attitudes that were at play in imagining an independent Eritrea and continue to sustain it. By this, I mean the calculations, assumptions, and mindset (Eritreanims, for short) that led to Eritrean independence. That is the layer where Eritrean independence becomes a problem, a threat (like a software virus) for Ethiopia. And why is this so? Because Eritreanism’s raisone detre is Ethiopia. Take Ethiopia out, Eritreanism vanishes into thin air. It is a serious problem when a whole country’ raisone detre is antagonism (hate) with one other country, and that happens the country next door.

    But, what is the problem with Ethiopia being the raisone detre for Eritreanism? Because it is a negative identity, it needs to feed on real or perceived antagonism with Ethiopia to sustain itself. But what is even more dangerous is that Eritreanism is not only an obligate parasite, but also an active destroyer. It engages in a relentless destruction, distortion and deconstruction of anything to do with Ethiopia. This includes fabrication and distortion of history, disownment of any pre-Italian history in favour of Italian-imposed-Arab-inspired version, demolishment of historical connections and monuments ( a case in point is Ghedli triumphantly destroying a monument commemorating the fallen heroes of the battle of Dogali, and just right there hoisting their flag on a monument erected by Italians to commemorate their dead soldiers). This proponents of Eritreanism that are on a relentless and non-stop assault of Ethiopia, its people, its symbols are proportionally big.

    How many percentage of the Eritrean people have ill-wish for Ethiopia? To find that out, lets turn to Eritrean websites. How many Eritrean websites fabricate and disseminate any bad news, people bashing and ill-wish about the people (not the government) of Ethiopia and particularly Tigray? I would dare to say most of them. What is even disgusting is the number of people that engage in the orgies of hate and bashing. If the percentage is any indication of the real world (there is not reason to believe otherwise), it would be stupidity to let this type of virus roam in Ethiopia by way of resuming relationship. Add to that the likes of Tesfaye Gebreab who are busy putting their talent to sow seeds of hate among Ethiopian ethnic groups. And add to that the number of Eritreans on mission of pitying one ethnic group against another by masquerading as Oromos, Amharus, Tegarus, etc. All of the above vices are not isolated things, they are the manifestations, limbs and tentacles of Eritreanism.

    Cheers,
    Gebrekirstos

    • selam

      Dear Ghebrekirstos (very hard to spell your name )
      You seem to calm down with more venom on your head. Go do your home work and please visit oromo website , you do not need to see on Eritrean websites because as they are quite different. Do you think you are fooling the Oromos , the Amharas . They are experiencing the sale of their farm land to Indians by some crony weyane officials ,this doe not need any one help to explain. These people are living it.

      Now do you think for a second we are all asha hamasenay , we are not that kind . You people like them , go talk with Amanuel , semere , mizaan. So do it now

      I have told you , before and i will repeat it now .

      You are inviting us to tell you , you have inferiority and complex of growing up, that depends where you grow up.
      I personally know so many from addis abeba who know for a fact We have been murdered and we were not privileged ” do u remember” . I have never ever believed the notion that some weyenti feel inferior to Eritreans , i admit i can see it on you. I do think you are the another face of hayat but if i am wrong please forgive me , oh i forget you already dispose me as Eritrean . Ow ja the slef righteous person from mekele , I am sure all mekele people share our suffering but i blaim ghebru asrat for giving you bad lecture.

    • Dayphi

      Brother Gebrekirstos
      i dont get it. The OROMO resistance against Amhara domination is a century old problem. And Eritrea is not responsible for the establishment of the Oromo Liberation Front in 1973. We just had a common enemy called Imperial Ethiopia and Solomonic Dynasty of Amhara dominating other ethnics includi g somalies and tigrayans. The feudal system and Amhara domination created TPLF and other revolutionary organizations. Naturally, these organization would help each other in crushing the domination of Haile Sellassie and Dergue. Again, the three major borden and Ogaden wars between Somalia and Ethiopia was as a redult of Ethiopian occupation of what Somalies vonsider part of their land. We have same dominance now in Eritrea by one regime, mainly supported by the presidents elite group over the rest of Eritreans. That’s why most Eritreans are not in favor of the regime or its internal policies or external misbehave of HEDEFites and Tigrinia Supremacists. The websites you mentioned fo not represent the views of the peace loving Eritreans. Any hate you see is on personal level or instigated by the esayas henchmen.

      • Gebrekirstos

        Hi Dayphi,
        Where, in my post, do you find these things? Really, let’s read a bit more carefully, so we can exchange ideas meaningfully. Maybe this was what made you think about these things. “And add to that the number of Eritreans on mission of pitiing one
        ethnic group against another by masquerading as Oromos, Amharus,
        Tegarus, etc”. I would like to state that this is referring to Eritreans that are engaged in online (mainly social media) pitting of one ethnic group against another.

        cheers,
        Gebrekirstos

    • Ted

      DEAR GK, We don’t need historical fact since you are troubled by Eritreanism( post independence) phenomenon being the source of pain for Ethiopia specially Tigray and yet failed to mention a single thing how Eritrea become a problem for Ethiopia. You admit you are happy about our independence and you realized”perceived antagonism with Ethiopia to sustain itself”.It is only your understanding that Eritreans hate Tigrayans. I can issuer you you would be right if you were to say Eritreans hate TPLF.

      1) We were punished by consecutive Ethiopian gov for demanding justice(sovereignty), the justice denied by Haileslassie Annexing Eritrea by force. It has nothing to do with your resistance as TPLF or other Ethiopian freedom seekers who were punished by authorities., apples and oranges. You may have your bruises and we have ours.

      2) That ship had sailed, why even bring it up.

      3)How is it possible big country as Ethiopia be hostage by tiny Eritrea. Did it occur to you that you have a big problem inside, TPLF, the unpopular ethnic minority Gov.. Don’t mix TPLF with Ethiopia. Find a better escape goat.

      You went on and on how Eritreans hate Ethiopians. It is a lie. The scheme to rally Ethiopians against Eritrea is played out. You are on your own GK.

      • Gebrekirstos

        Dear Ted,
        I would like to tell you that I appreciate your attempt to engage in discussion of ideas, rather than my personality, intention, and character. That is really great. But I would like to tell you also that I appreciate when people make a serious effort at understanding. Your reply tells me that you did not.
        Cheers,
        Gebrekirstos

        • Ted

          Dear GK, i tried my best to understand and engage with discussion irregardless of your statement that you don’t want anything to do with us “. it would be stupidity to let this type of virus roam in Ethiopia by way of resuming relationship” It is easy to understand as you are the the prosecutor and executioner. Personally i don’t care much for TPLF and i can say it confidently say neither do most Eritreans and i think that is where you got it wrong mixing (Tigray TPLF, Ethiopia) totally different entity for Eritreans.

      • Abi

        Hi Ted
        GK is saying Ethiopians are not cows as Eritreans want to believe.
        Regarding your hate to us Gheteb ha put it nicely. According to him the hate of ethiopia was the engine of your struggle. He was very proud to say ” for this blame ghedli 100%.’

        • Ted

          Abi, GK didn’t say that. He said we are fake with false identity of Eritreanism, an obligate parasite destroying its host. Let me see you beat that.

  • Hope

    The Curse of the the Centuary:.
    “To bring down Eritrea to its knees, we don’t need to shoot a bullet
    just build refugee camps at the borders and see it bleed to death.”

    Courtesy of “Tinbit PMMZ” !
    It went even beyond the borders of Tigray and the Sudan.
    The question though is :
    What have we done to counter this evil prophecy,other than clapping our hands with the sam evil that set us up to this?
    Why can’t we try to fight the same evil as we are trying to fight against the PFDJ?

  • Dayphi

    First, Mabrook 3aude 3amet kullukhum aHwatey/ ahatey nai Tewahdo biete Christian agelgelti. Amien Eghziabher Yibarkne Le’Agbertihu Beselam Sryete.
    wa ba3d.
    If you happen to be of my age bracket and grew up in Eritrea, in your Geography period, you were required to shimdiding and pinpointing on blank map naes as Burma, Cylon, East Pakistan, Dahomey, Upper Volta, Gold Coast, Southwest Africa, Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia, U.A.R. and many many others. If you see current map, you wont be able to see those names that ypu spent time to memorise and pronounce properly are dumped into the sea. They are replaced with names such as Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Benin, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Arab Republic of Egypt (A.R.E.). Countries change their names for different reasons, including to dump the remrant of occupation and colonization. We are proud of our country, Eritrea, but like many Africans who dumped the colonial name of their beloved land, there is no shame of dumping the name given and baptized to us by Italian conquerers. The countries that colonizers didnt change the name drastically, continued their names after independence like Libya, Algeria, morocco etc. They just adjusted the spelling and pronunciation to fit the local name. If you read myrebuttal with brother tes, I asked him in one of them to find a name for Eritrea which sounds more local, which will help us unite. An imported and given to us by ower white masters will not continue to be a name we feel proud with, forever. At some point, under favorable circumstances with greater nationalistic feeling , and with the increasing demand of freedom loving Eritreans, SOONER OR LATER, we are going to dump the name Eritrea too. We deserve a better name, a local name.
    Many nations names are derived from the race or ethnic component

    • Dayphi

      Many nations names indicate to one or more of their citizens ethnicity or race, but not necessarily to ALL. Sine there are more than one ethnic, religious, tribal group in those nationd. For rxample, PAKISTAN, a newly coined name representing Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and baluchisTAN. Or Russia though they have non Russian citizens like Qoqazs who are neither Russians nor speak russian language. Not all Indians are Hindies; and most definitely not all citizens of A.R.E. are arabs. Most copts dont like to be addressed as arabs.
      Assuming over Three Million Eritreans feel positively to identify themselves as Habesha and Habeshannet, NOT ETHIOBIANNET, in a very democratic representative government installed in Eritrea, the changing of white man’s installed name, Eritrea, by another that sounds more locally, will be as delighteful as eating Enjera with Zighni or with Shiro. I admit, many bloodshed took place for liberating our beloved ERITREA. A very nostalgic name that has sentimental value in our psuchic, history, uniting different regions under occupation and helping the sense of nationalism to many of us. But change is inevitable.Afterall, the only thing that doesnt change is change itself as elders say it. Everything is prone to change, even our hard installed religious belifs we had since our Alif mejen, Ba mejen, ta mejen evelves and changes as we grow. Many Islamic beliefs i had decades ag have evolved, altered, or changed to more meaningful positive directions. Just to prove change is part of our growth.
      Back to “Erithrean” thing

      • Dayphi

        Back to Eritrea, we all saythat century back, before The white man conquered and renamed our countryEritrea, was ruled for centuries by Turks. Who hasnt herad or know of GZ’AT TOORKI. I dont believe they conquered the whole Eritrea though, but that is not the point. During the Turk’s rule, our land was known as WILAYET/ EYALET HABESH. Meaning the State or Aministrative Division Of HABESHA.Hmmmmmm.Did the bad bad tooorkies created the word ” Habesh ” from Istanbul, like the Italians did of the word ” Eritrea” from Romes, OR probably, possibly, reasonably, found that name circulating around? I dont believe they coined the phrase in Istanbul.
        We are not all Guraggies

        • Dayphi

          We are not all Guragies, not all Amharas, not all Tegarrus, in origin, BUT big chunck of us are HABESHA origin after the land’s name MIDRE HABESHA.Yet, we have the obligation of protecting the rights of people like Gheteb and some lowlands tribes to not associate themselves with anything related to Habesha. They are not Habesha. Simple as that. But should the Habeshas be intimated by them, or Esayas or HIGDEF to hideir Habeshanned. Of course not. Not in a free Eritrea of esayas and Sha3biyyah hagemony.
          To break the yoke of colonization, we need to go back of colonization, we ought to give back to ceazar what belongs to ceazar. The name Eritrea. My words should NOT be taken out of context by some who live and love foing that. It is a long time process. I am not asking dump the word ERITREA before the next Christmas Season. It has to bedone in ademocratic cool headed situation with the agreement of most if not all citizens free of HGDEF domination. Calling it THE REPUBLIC OF TIGRINIA is dead from the getgo because people under that biher name are forced to carry that lebel as we have discussed it repeatedly here in awate.com.

          • Dayphi

            My next choice would be ” MIDRI HABESHA REPUBLIC” جمهورية ارض الحبشة. THE REPUBLIC OF HABASHA-LAND …or in erted into HABESHA-LAND TEPUBLIC. This name has nothing to do with Ethiopia or what some call here Habesha fundamentalism. A scare tactic of esayas and his Deqqe mezamurti. It is a free nation whether the name should be afpted or rejected is upyo Eritrean people in free Eritrea of esayas and his rifrafs. If only would reject the idea, let alone the approval, it should be Ethiopia, who chose to dump ABYSSINIA from their name. Many will regret not picking the name before Eritreans did.
            Remember! If the change has any chance to be adopted, it’s going to be thru the ballot box…on real life…..in Eritrea

          • selam

            Dear Dayphi

            Even if we have a democratic nation after the Mad man , due think we will able to have people who push the minority with their culture down to lowest form. Do you think the largest group I mean the Tigrina will understand the pain and greviences . I am sure the name of Eritrea is not negociable under any circumstances.

          • teweldino

            Hi Dayphi,

            Midri Habesha (without republic though) is interesting name. At least, teenage boys will get a giggle out of it. I can imagine Habesha kids stopping Gethab’s grandchildren on the road to school and ask them to loudly repeat “Midri Habesha” 5 times [very, very, very quickly] and giggle when the poor kids stumble…

            On a serious note though, I don’t understand this obsession by PFDJ agents in diaspora to get rid off indigenous name to make way for foreign name when in reality both names are existing harmoniously.

          • Dayphi

            Merhaba teweldino…..loooool… you’re bad bad man. I wouldnt even ask my kids to to repeat the word in the pace and speed you recommend. The tongue lock would be embarrasing. I am extra conservative that i even avoid words that may have funny meani g in different language. To the light headed side, can you utter ” to try ” five times in Amharic, loudly?
            hahaha…

          • Dayphi

            Haw teweldino.
            probably the word ” to try ” is not the correct one. As per memhr.com it is “to strive” to toil or to excel. Find one Amharic word for that and repeat it five times in five seconds.

          • teweldino

            Hi Dayphi,

            lol. That is another funny one which does not require age certificate.

  • Semere Andom

    Identity Is Not Arbitrated In The Court of Law.
    Dear readers:

    The identity issue has surfaced again and the “I am not Habesha” assertion
    is exactly the opposite of those who claim that Eritrea is Habesha and it has aguishly
    wanted a new identity when it waged the Ghedli. Both arguments have the same
    byproduct—negative impact on the Eritreans as they make it black a while, ignoring
    the nuanced nature of identity, glossing over its complex emergence from colonization,
    the innate yearning of humans for freedom and the great Ghedli that Eritrea
    waged. All these played a role in forging the Identity that Eritreans identify
    with.

    Ghedli introduced the people to each other and irrevocably seared their
    fate together, although it is not a vow until death do us apart for all
    purposes for the present time we will be living in the same real state called
    Eritrea and under a citizenship called Eritrawi. People, most likely men
    created Eritrea and therefore Eritreans and a man is undoing Eritrea and Eritreans.
    Not to stifle debated, but the debates of we are Habehsa, we are Arabs are the anti-thesis
    of what we must be doing now urgently.

    When Ghedli was raging, the discussions went like this: the freedom
    fighters attacked the Asmara airport and destroyed 30 war planes. I remember
    how proud I was. I know it is like the football or hockey game when the fans
    who contributed nothing, yell, “we made it”, but nonetheless many Eritreans
    were so proud of the accomplishment of their brethren. And people before me
    were proud of when Ghedli freed 1000 political prisons. Similar stories of gallantry
    and heroism demented the Ghedli era.

    Now we are in the same predicament, we are fighting evil like we did before,
    but we do not hear Eritreans freed the prisons of Ela-Eros, we do not hear the
    freedom fighter or internal clandestine group attacked the PFDJ air force to destroy
    the planes that are the tools of repression. So ironic, now the identity issue
    is being discussed when it has been settled , while we have no court of laws, we
    have imaginary courts to arbitrate identity, while the glue that keeps the
    Habesha, the Arabs, the Kushittes, the Aggew etc., Eriteanism has been shredded
    by PFDJ, while it has been defeated by PFDJ to the point that we can not even
    free a single prisoner of consciousness’ , while the guards are all Eritreans,
    to the point the spies terrorize people, to he point of our deafening silence
    to the wailing of women in Karcheli, we are debating the genetics of that make
    up Eritrea. If there is one proof that PFDJ is winning its goal of defeating Eritreanism
    this is it.

    • Fnote Selam

      Hi Semere,

      I am not sure what Eritreanism is, but one thing that I am sure about is that PFDJ took the love of our people and country from me (I am recovering…), many of my friends and pretty much majority of my generation. There is a familiar saying people who have been to Sawa use to express our frustration/hopelessness with PFDJ…’ሃገራውነተይ ኣብ ሩባ ሳዋ ሓሪኤያ ኢየ.’ This pretty much tells what PFDJ did to us (probably by plan) and they harvesting their seeds (the youth could not careless about the country and their fellow citizens and focused on getting our selves and immediate families out of the country), and leaving PFDJ ruling the country unopposed.

      Best,

      FS.

  • saay7

    Hey Hope:

    Clearly you haven’t read Sophia Tesfamariam. She trafficks in lethal and cheap gossip that Lyndon Johnson perfected like… Well, since this is a family website, I can’t post it, but I will send you the link (kids please dont go to the link)e you an example. )

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002579626

    The point is with Sophia and Lyndon Johnson and all unethical debaters, it is “heads I win, tails you lose.” There is no way to rebut it without reinforcing the accusation. That’s what your Sophia Tesfamariam peddles in. The fact that you consider her admirable makes me question your judgement and when I do that I have discount all your praises. Do you think Dr Bereket Habteselasse, a very able lawyer; or paulos BeAtey or SGJ or any of the dozens of Eritreans who were part of G13 and the intellectual class of the oppo can’t make mince meat out of her about events they have first hand knowledge of and she was just, like a fenj regach, just fed? Try to think critically, cousin.

    saay

  • tes

    Deat Awatistas,

    Research Progress Report of March to April,, 2015

    After identifying its schools of thought, Awate University has gone further to identify the methodological tools used by different schools.

    In its first research work, the most significant tools used by Opportunists and Abyssinian fundamentalists schools of thought were under thorough investigation.

    Some of the methodological tools identified so far are:

    1. Compromizing sovereignity
    2. Faking sovereignity
    3. Intervention
    4. Invasion
    5. Promoting an alternative identity called habeshanism

    Awate University has sent its envoys to all cyber spaces if such tendency occurs outside its university. So far, some researchers have found an encouraging signals. Even paltalks are found to be the most infected areas by these tendencies.

    tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear tes,
      do you think others can’t write reports? poor guy going down every minute, didn’t you feel shame to decide as if you are chosen to categorize people?

      • tes

        Dear Kokhob Selam,

        I do believe yes people like you are gifted in writing reports. Could you write please about what ever you want.

        To tell you the truth, you are an honest Awatista. I love to exchange with you. But this time, I am getting bitter as I am expecting from you our politics to become tougher and tougher. I am very conscious for what I am doing. I am not letting people down but at my level best to filter our way of thinking. I may be wrong and if I am, please note my apology.

        Honestly, I am in search of tougher political line of thinking to weed-out PFDJ. What I did so far is insignificant compared to your contribution. I may be wrong but I can say confidently, by now, I have identified some of the problems that are hindering us from being together. The good thing is, we are VERY CLOSE.

        Therefore, don’t be in doubt. My aim is not to be away from you but to share what I am reading. As before, I love you no matter what you are struggling for. And I will keep to engage from now on words in a more positive way. In fact, we have more common methdology and that will be enough to promote together. Don’t be in doubt about tes, he is still Tesfabirhan. He just wants tough ideas to emerge so that we can shorten the life of PFDJ. No more, no less. tes loves diversity and he meditiates through them. Diversity for him is like the bright starts. I love habesha people the same as I do for Arab people. Because they are humans.

        This is a confession of Easter and take it for our final and binding reconciliation.

        Cheers!

        tes

        • Dayphi

          Hi tes. “tes loves diversity and he meditiates through them. Diversity for him is like the bright starts. I love habesha people the same as I do for Arab people. Because they are humans.” Very profound nice words. Very inclusive ..no bashing.no threatening.
          No demeaning words. May God Almighty exceedingly bless you and your family.
          “Burukh awde amet tesfabirhan. T3um zi shimka.
          Tesahlene Igzi’o. Amen.

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Our people in Yemen are following up and waiting for words of advice. At times like they are in they need support and information on what to do and where to get helps.

    Please, please focus on solutions. Our solution focused discussions would show our sympathy and care for all those in there (Yemen) teetered on the brink of life and death. Our linking their situation with the failure of Isayas pushes and compels the Isayasts to cover up or to come up with distracting issues of the related discussions. Let’s do what we have to do and don’t be guided by the Isaysists’ strategies of distraction.

  • tes

    Dear KS,

    Yes you are right when you say I am dialing a wrong number. I thought we were together before but now we are not.

    Dear KS, it is not whether rejecting or accepting. I am who I am. The only problem I face is the tendency of fascism.

    This is your fascism coming loud: you wrote, “…don’t tell me you are working for humanity, if you still don’t accept that you are Habesha or any other Identity which you respect.”

    Huamnity has nothing to do with habesha identity. Humanity has no colour or identity. It is simply for existence.

    Europeans before and especially Germany recently promoted identity through selection. They introduced racism and tried to rule the world. You better know than me what Italians did to us.

    After learning from mistakes, UN was established in the 1940s to promote humanity based on respect not on identity.

    But you are still back-warded and may stucked in the old politics of Eri-Ethio and work hard to make habesha as a dominating culture. This is an utterly nonesense mission.

    A final call therefore, create peace based humanity among the two people. Identity based struggle leads to civil war between the same nationals and bloody and aggressive war between countries.

    Saying this, our approach was different by default from the very beginning but unnoticieable but now it is a loud difference.

    Let me add this: I am not afraid of being Eritrea to be part of Ethiopia. But to delinineate the political mix we have at these days. It is a crystal clear now not all justice seekers are with the same objective. Through careful analysis, we will create a sound resistance against PFDJ, our main enemy. The habeshanism and Abyssinian fundamentalism will die once a democratic governments are established in the countries.

    tes

  • ‘Gheteb

    Appeal Your Case To The Supreme Court. Doggone It, I Am NOT Habesha

    I have waited patiently to see if any of those who have been proclaiming that ‘we are Habesha and nothing but Habesha so help us God crowd’ , to at least come up with some semblance of a cogently coherent definition of what this very Habesha notion is and offer even a modicum of explications of what it is that makes one to be a Habesha and the next person not to be a Habesha. Sadly, except for some watery rationalizations that utterly failed to convince me of what this “Habesha thing” is billed to be, I have read nothing new that swayed the way I understand the term or word Habesha. Actually, those who have failed to even come up with a convincing definition of the term Habesha, in what I dub as “the audacity of a ‘Falullite Hameninent’ (Falullite dogamtism), have even gone to proclaim about their pride of their “Habeshanet”. Here they can’t even shed light on the very term Habesha, yet they are very proud of their “Habeshanet”. You may ask: how can one be very proud of something that s/he can’t even properly identify and define. If you ask, it beats the dickens out of me! Enough introduction, let us get busy with the serious business at hand. Here I go.

    First, let me start with this quote from a book by Estelle Sylvia Pankhurst, Ethiopia A Cultrural History, 1955, P. 22 about if this Habesha people were even present in the Axumite kingdom.

    ” .. Cosmas Indicopleustes, the famous Greek-speaking Egyptian traveler who visited the Axumite Kingdom in 525 CE, made no reference to Habesha.”

    If those who are claiming to be the bequethers and inheritors of this Habesha thing these days, then the need to establish that the existence of these Habesha people in the Axumite kingdom is sine qua non. Yes, that is very essential condition that must be met, if anyone is going to have any dibs (claim) on the appellation of Habesha. But what I have come to read from some of the European travelers in the earlier days, such as Mr. Salt is that they described that the Axumite were as a hybrid of aboriginal Axumites and Egyptian (Beja) people.

    As I have alluded to in the first post, it was Arab writers who used the term Habesha to describe the Horn of Africa and its people. This was around 870 CE, after the demise of the Axumite Kingdom. These Arab writers such as Al-Ya’qubi, Al-Mas’udi and Al’Harrani tell us about the five Beja Kingdoms in Eritrea, an important royal town called Kubar in the Eritrean coast where the “Al-malik al-a ‘zam” (The great King) resides. They also tell us about important towns such as Zayal ( Zula?), Dahlak and Nasi. ( from a book by Stuart Munro-Hay, ‘ Aksum: An African Civilization Of Late Antiquity’).

    Now, the term Habesha was used by these writers as a mere geogrpahical expression that encompassed the Horn region. There was another term that was also used in those days to describe the Eastern African region. It was the term “Azania”. Here if an astutely shrewd King or Nigus has appropriated the term Azania to name his kingdom, then the same people who are monikering themselves as Habesha would have been saying we are “Azanians” and those with a severe case of “Falullite Dogmatism” would be hollering from the top of their lungs that they are proud of their “Azanianinet”.

    Now let me address those who say that they are Habesha because “our people were identified as Habesha by the prophet Mohammed”. Let me first say what is so far known about this issue. We know that during the first Hijra (flight), it is said that those fleeing Muslims were received and given protection and refuge by an Axumite king called Ashama ibn-Abjar or al-Najashi of Aksum. Now there are two interpretation as who this king of Aksum was. Some such as writers in the Encyclopaedia Ethiopica, assert that Ashama ibn-Abjar corresponds to the G’eez name of Ella Seham. However, according to other authors including the late Dr. Yassin Aberra, Ashama may have been the same person as king Armah or Armak. Here also it is to be noted that the inhabitants of Wikro, Tigray, claim that Ashama’s tomb is located in their village.

    Here is my main suggestion to those who claim that the prophet Mohammed had identified them as Habesha. They should, first and foremost, establish that they are the descendants or progenies of the early Axumite settlers of the years between 600- 700 CE. Absent that evidence, their claim to be identified as Habesha would be just that: a claim that anyone from the Horn region can make. Look, the term Habesha was utilized in those days to refer to a large region that may have included what is now known as Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, and others. What we have to also take into consideration is that in those years of 600-800 CE the Axumite Kingdom was in a decline due to many factors including the expansion of Islam, the Beja push and the decline of maritime trade. All these issues must be factored in when one wants an honest appraisal of what the situation may have looked like in those years.

    Okay, how about those who have declared that “Habesha” is their identity. I have to admit that I was realy bothered by such kind of description. The first thing that popped up in my mind was: Wait a minute here and tell me how is one to know, say, if an Oromo or a Somali or a Bilen or a Beni Amir or a Hadendewa, who speaks fluent Tigrigna/Amharic, who eats ‘Injera and zigni’ whose wife never minds sporting a “kidan Habesha” is not to be considered as Habesha. Mind you this “Habesha thing” is not an ethnicity; is not a country; nor there is any common language or religion that these Habeshas follow. Here is also another thing that I don’t really get. Forget about the Amharas for a minute. Does the Eritrean Tigrignas ( Eritreas ‘Habeshas’) Zigni or Zuria or Tigrigna language is one and the same with those of Tigray’s Habesha? Well, let alone now even those Portugese missionaries of the 16th centuries such as Francisco Alvarez describe the difference in dress between Tigray and Mereb Milash (Eritrea). The difference between the Amharas ‘Habesha’ dress and food and those of the Eritrean ‘Habesha’ is unmistakably striking.

    Now that I have shown that there is precious little ground about the existence of this Habesha thing in the Axumite Kingdom and what followed it up to the 13th century, then one is left with this persistently nagging question: How did this Habesha thing got irrigated to what is now Eritrea and maybe Tigray? Well, ENTER the Abessynian King Yekuno Amlak. He created the Solomonic dynasty myth by borrowing the Arbian fable of Queen Sheba or Makda and what scholars call the “gargantuan hoax” the ‘Kibra Negest’ was written in which it asserted that the Ethiopian or Abessynian civilization began 3,000 years ago when Queen Sheba traveled to Jerusalem to meet King Solomon and gave birth to a son, Menelik-I, whom Yekuno Amlak ( the founder of this myth) and all Ethiopian kings trace their lineage from King Solomon and Queen Sheba.

    Well, here the Abessynian kings needed to convince the Axumite populace and legitimize their rule over their rivals and get the support of the clergy. The question, however, is this: If this Abessynian kings who hailed from the Amhara regions were one and the same in being Habesha with those Axumites, why did they need to hatch this elaborate myth to gain the acceptance of the same Habesha people. Folks, something doesn’t add up here and I can see that there was a clear divergence between the ‘Axumite people’ and the Amharas. The latter retaining the name Habesha and the former being something other than Habesha.

    One has to accept all these twists and turns to establish the term Habesha has historically been part and parcel of the Tigrigna people of Eritrea. What is more, one has to also buy into what is claimed in the book of ‘Kibra Negest’. Absent that, there is no coherent and credible narrative to substantiate the historical existence of a Habesha identity in the annals and chronicles of the peoples of Eritrea.
    Finally, I am standing by and sticking to my interpretation of Lali Bela. Why? because from all the narratives of Lali Bella, I have not come across anything resembling “Bela” or calamity. Nor the word ‘honey’ was a recurring motif in the Lali Bela history. However, the word “Night” is a pivotal element to the very story and narrative of Lali Bela. What is Lali Bela without those stone hewn churches that has astounded even modern architects and engineers as it was even possible to build them in those years with no modern machines and expertise. Well, it is said that angles used to descend from the heavens at NIGHT to complete the work of the mere mortals. Now, did you read NIGHT? Well, there you have it and that is the basis of my interpretation of Lali Bela and the fact that I have read somewhere that Lali Bela was a Belew/Bija.

    • tes

      Dear Gheteb,

      I support your arguments. And here I am a non-habesha Eritrean. My dress is different, my house is different, and my food is different.

      The word habesha today has nothing to do with the true essense of the habesha described by the Arabs. It is a new version of unifying factor that is coming after the illusioned dream of making Mama Ethiopia is dead. It is a new trial. As Kokhob selam is an ardent cadre of Habeshanism, he is of no shame to declare that he is fighting for the domination of habesha identity and thereby bring the two sisterly countries in ONE.

      It is a doctrine based on identity that is trying to engulf other identities. It promotes Ge’ez and habesha food and dressings. It ingores the presence of other identities and hates their existence. Arabism is its main foie.

      As SGJ has put by saying, “There are Habesha fascist tendencies (or Habesha Fundamentalism as Gheteb calls it) and we have to be aware of it. These are the people who insist on defining others regardless of what the others feel about themselves. The worst of them are those who think Eritrea and Ethiopia belongs to them, and they are mandated to rule both. Intolerant ideologues, partisans, who spoil it for the peaceful people of both countries.”

      Kokhob Selam is one of these habesha fascists. He cares less for diversity as far as habeshanism dominates the region. he feels good when other identities are treated as minorities.

      How stretcheful is our struggle?

      Some are looking an opportunity so Eritrea will be united with Ethiopia (Leader: YG)

      Others are promoting one identity and caring less if others vanish (Follower: KS).

      tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        brother tes,

        If someone only read your post, he will kill me. Lol. That is very bad my friend. why so cruel to me? did I say Habesha should govern us all? did I say I am careless about other identities? did I say Arabs are my enemies? I lean Arabic I think more than you. and my children are completing their education in Arabic universities. Although I teach and let them Know the Habesha culture. let them take the good culture from Arabs and but without leaving their wonderful culture Habesha, my lovely Habesha.

        what is that, can’t I chose my Identity? Is the free Eritrea you want, free of Ge’ez? don’t you know Ge’ez and Arabic are connected? what is wrong with you those days? do you know there are different Identities in different countries? do you know the entire nation called Bangladesh has it’s direct identity people living in India? why you guys are watching things only in negative side?
        you also line me with YG. YG? where is he and where am I ?

        you see my friend there is a saying in my beloved Habesha Identity “ኣእዳውካ ከምድላይካ ክት ዝርግሐን መሰል ኣለካ ዓይኒ ሰብ ግን ኮንቁራ ይብለንን ” this is what I learn from my Habesha people both from Ethiopia and Eritrea. My mind was programmed on that and PFDJ’s theory couldn’t attract me the theory that says “ሓደ ልቢ ” while crushing others. you have your freedom whatever you want to be but you should allow also others to be what they want as far they don’t force you to fallow them.

        • tes

          Dear KS,

          This is what you wrote, “”you can chose Eritrean but with Arabic Identity. to ahead. I Eritrean but with Habesha identity let me go ahead.””

          Should I go for my Arab identity*

          And

          you go for your Habesha identity

          Where is then the notion of ALL in ONE?

          Are you you calling me to take my own way?

          where is then your loud cry for peace, unity and humanity?

          You are in the identity politics but I am not. I never, never promoted identity. I promote HUMAN DIGNITY. Indeed I believe human being is with an identity and I carry it with him. I never select one and promote it. For me, Aras, Habesh, Agows, HIndus, AMericans, etc are one as far as they live in the country that I am living. I treat them equally. I encourage them to flourish. As much as I feel happy others identity floursih, I equally also feel happy when my identity flourishes.

          Look PFDJ. He promoted Ge’ez and revolutionary culture. Where is our culture, where is our identity?

          And now, you are again on a mission to promote one selected identity. Worse, you are calling me to follow your foot-steps to promote one identity. Gosh!

          tes

          * You are just claiming it.

          ++ The fight we are doing has now taken more than a month. My fight with you is on the habeshanism doctrine. Nothing else. I am not touching your history. If you are ready to accept beauty in diversity and encourage other identity to flourish with an absolute freedom, with no imposition, then i can accept you.

          ++Look, how discriminatory you became when you call only to habesha people to extend their hand helping the stranded Eritreans (no matter what their identity is) in Yemen. Did the Chinese ask the identity of the Japanese who was in danger when they welcome him in their riscue mission?

          ++what is the the difference between your approach and PFDJ, when you both selectiviely discriminate, PFDJ based on his supporters labeled as Nationals, and you Kokhob Selam, calling for Habeshites, the fascist term used these days. What is the difference KS between you and PFDJ?

          ++Don’t be mad at me, I am carefully scrutinizing your lines and I am reading you loud for your habeshanism doctrine.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            you know tes, I was not born to get acceptance from you. in fact I don’t care if you are not. so don’t say if you …accept you. so first don’t think that is the end of the world. easy.

            the difference between me and you is not that big. it is just watching one more side of the idea, You can’t and you will never reject my Idea when you come out of doubt you are in. you have accepted there is an identity called Habesha. but when I want use my habeshanism you have an allergic.you still think their is an hidden agenda. that is the heroism we need today –destroying the doubt among us and saying things openly. I said it openly that I am proud Habsha. you are telling me you don;t care about Identity and you see all the same. that is not true my friend. you are not honest on that. we heard it from a lot of people but practically they are much narrow. and my friend if someone is not proud of his identity I don’t believe he will respect other identities. if some one don’t love his father and hit him then there is way he will not hit you.

            you can’t work for world peace if you are not in peace your self. start with yourself and your society. I first want to make my lovely habesha people more lovely and peaceful people by doing so I am working toward world peace.

            Look this is the end of my conversation with you. Nations were there created, culture is more deep rooted. I want my nation to allow me to experience my Habeshanism or else it is hard to say it is my nation. how can I say this is my nation if that nation don’t allow me to experience my Identity’s culture? how? nation is nation for that reason in first place .

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            First of all, what I said is, I care more on HUMAN DIGNTITY. And humanity has everything within it. But you care on habesha and you promote it.

            Me, I promote humanity and I respect Identity. But you promote identity and care for it.

            When I fight for humanism,
            You fight for Habeshanism.

            Remember, habeshanism is humanism but humanism is not habeshanism. You are in such a narrow world.

            PFDJ promotes revolutionary culture while you promote habeshanism culture. Both of you have common resemblance. You are fascists and you ignore others. PFDJ labels one as “national”and others as “non-national” not because of national measurements but based on infilation and servant-master relationship. He even is upto the level of giving an IDENTITY based on PFDJ culture while dismissing others.

            And KS, is in an open call for using his habesha identity to segregate the people with multiple identity.

            Whether you like it or not, Arabism is also an equal identity describer in Eritrea as that of Habeshanism. There are people who claim they are Arabs the same as the Habesha.

            I do respect all without discrimination and I do promote their identity because it their dignity.

            This is our difference. The good thing is, I care for you because you are human though you don’t care for me because

            I am not habesha. You can not host me but I can host you. You are so narrow with limited political program but I am not.

            I welcome you to work with me because you are one of my subject but I will not join you because I am not limited to Habeshanism.

            tes

        • abrham

          Dear Kokhob Selam,
          Its fact that there is an Identity called Habesha people like me and you are proud of. Those people who are claiming not, should accept us as their brothers and/or good neighbors by keeping theirs. You see I am not talking about Eritrea or Ethiopia but Habesha people that may be found every where. I do not know why they are loud to denounce the right to claim our Identity where ever we live but they will not take it from us because they try to preach too much against it. There is fundamentalism and its operators in all identities, its not unique for Habesha.

      • Abi

        Hey Tes tough guy
        How dare you call Kokobe a fascist? Because he doesn’t hate Abedha? Or Ethiopia? Ato Saleh is also an Abesha who doesn’t hate Ethiopia. I never see both gentlemen imposed “abeshanet” on others. Or I don’t see them worry mama Ethiopia swallow baby Eritrea . Can we also safely say Ato Saleh is a fascist?
        You can be a proud non-Abesha eritrean as Ato Saleh or Kokobe is an Abesha Eritrean.
        Where do you see a problem? Calling people names is not Abesha culture. Abeshas are not identified by calling names. You find them use words like Gashe, etye, aboy, atney, adey, maerey shukare, haftey, hawey…..
        I’m glad you are not abesha. It is a relief.

        • tes

          Dear Abi,

          So much relief for you. It is good that you are good now.

          My objective is not to reject habesha but to limit habesha where it belongs. I do respect the habesha people.

          The world habesha is now used in the diaspora as a global identity for the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia. You can read even what great awatistas like Fanti Ghana and Eyob are yet not aware about the existence of non-habesha people in Eritrea.

          There are habesha people in Eritrea and in Ethiopia too. Habesha is a sub-set of cultures we have.

          But when it goes high above and is aimed as a dictatorial identity, then, the word Habeshanism comes. As habeshanism is based on Identity, then FASCISM comes.

          Therefore, it is a multi layered conclusion. It has nothing to do with the people who own the culture but the ideology that it carries.

          tes

          • Abi

            Prof Tes
            Rhus Awde Amet
            Please , please stay assured that no one is thinking of taking you back . No excuses of religion, cultural,linguistic, food, dressing, abeshanet ….. add more of your own, will be a reason for unification. These are not new phenomenon. We share almost everything and still managed to be separated. Rest assured they are not going to reunite us .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abu,

            If he is around me, and watch what is prepared here for our wonderful day he could have said yes I am proud Habesha. here we are Muslims, Christians from both countries Wow! my friend Habeshanism is wonderful!! and what, we are talking about what we can do on this day for our refuges in Yemen, I will be back to you I am in hurry. but read this እያለቀስን እንስቃልን እየተራብን እንጠግባለን ደስታንም መከራንም ባንድ ሆነን እንግጠማለን ለምን ብለህ ኣትጠይቅ ሃብሻነት ነዋ !!

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            How can I say I am a proud habesha when I am not?

            This is an imposition.

            By the way, Rhus Beal Fasika!!!

            Let be peace up on us. We lived together with no imposition of one identity on others. All I saw in my life time was respect not imposition. I call you therefore to respect who I am and if possible to work together not for habeshanism but for humanism.

            tes

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Tonight I will be at my eritrean neighbors home for dinner as we have done for many years. They are typical Abesha family. Proud eritreans and abeshas.
            Tonight we drop our respective citizenships and pick our abeshanet. I love it .

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            You are lucky because no one in the eritrean house is knowing your bashing toward them . I hope the awate.com server pop up and show all your insulting. What would they say. any way have a nice dinner we eritreans always fed and love our enemies.

          • Abi

            Selam
            You have no idea. We have known each other for a long time . Sometimes we read awate site together over coffee. I even ask them to translate Tigrinya. In case you forgot there is nothing I hide from no one. My neighbors know my stand before the awate community.

          • Ted

            Selam. it is a lie. No Eritreans will open their home for disrespectful people like Him. He has mastered what “asha hamassienay” means.. I bet he has an account in Tigray on line. A perfect place for him to spew his hateful venom.

          • selam

            Dear Ted
            Have you ever seen the comment posted under the name of Ghebrekirstos , pleas find him and see how he bash and insult us. Yet the moderator gave a pass either he is not around , if it was me who was saying to some group or country , he would have warned me or at best banned me for 2 weeks . That kind of tolerance to ethiopian commnetators is way out of boundries . I gues we should only respect people like T.kifle may be abi to some point.

          • Ted

            Selam, you need to see it from their perspective. They are still wallowing in the ” Emma Ethiopia” nostalgia. They found this Habeshaesm thing as way to keep them connected to Eritrea otherwise rejected and hard to swallow their “we are one” mantra. For civil Ethiopian and Eritreans being Habesha means nothing but ” we have things in common”. There is nothing deeper ideological or identity take behind the term other than to express the similarities in the way we look, dress or eat.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            Tell me one appealing thing about eritrea that keep us connected? Let alone ethiopians, eritreans are running as fast and as far as possible from eritrea. And they are running to ethiopia where they don’t have any similarities other than the way we look, eat and dress. You are funny.

          • Ted

            Abi, What is appealing about us ?You tell me, you are the one who have fought for decades to keep us with in. Shembela is a refuge camp, a gate way to somewhere else. Do you think they are settled in your beloved Tigray to live along side the people they love to dislike. Don’t get it twisted.

          • Abi

            Ted
            We fought for decades to keep you . That is correct. Reason? Stupidity. For your information, more eritreans graduate from ethiopian accredited universities than the non- existing university in eritrea.
            Shembela is a gateway to a better place. Let us just hope. History tells us there are 3rd generation of eritreans in the Sudanese refugee camps with no hope insight.
            Good luck

          • Ted

            Abi, you are still at it, you don’t seem to learn from your stupidity.Stupid is as stupid does. Your dead hero said ” “To bring down Eritrea to its knees, we don’t need to shoot a bullet just build refugee camps at the borders and see it bleed to death.”

          • Abi

            Ted
            “Yadaqone seyTan sayaqes ayleqim ”
            Did Mele really say that? Wow!
            It is like 50,000 eritreans become refugees every year out of 6million . You are more annoyed by what Mele said than the reality. Well, what can I say? I leave it there before I say a stupid thing.
            I give all the credit to Mele The Greatest for showing us a better way and a better day. Much better, less stupid days ahead.
            Mele, you are not dead my hero ! You are shining day and night. You live forever in the hearts of 90,000,000 people.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abi,

            I got chance now to read as people are eating. I don’t eat much. Abi, didn’t you read once your friend wrote “if DIA and his group will stay on power alive for next thousand years, they will not do any thing of Meles’s job. he was born after DIA around 20 years before and dead while DIA is alive. but if all those PFDJ leaders will join and create one book, they will not write on single sentence of the dead Meles. so who can say Meles is dead, when there are biologically alive are not doing anything good for human beings.

          • Abi

            Ted tadiyas
            You like soccer? Manchester United beat the noisy neighbors 4-2 . They thought Manchester city a lesson they never forget. They are back to their home licking their wounds. Their tails tucked behind their legs, their ego shattered until next season.
            They silenced them big time at the 169 derby.
            Way to go Man.U. !!!!
            Chelsea, here we come. Watch out !!!

          • Ted

            Abi, now we are talking. It only takes a little to get you out of your shell. Don’t you feel liberated now, no need to thank me. The Manchester United soccer story will be a nice Fasiga dinner Conversation with your” Eritrean” friends. Take Tihlo with you, they would appreciate it.

          • Abi

            Ted
            You are something!
            We have a mutual friend from Tigray region who brings Tihlo. I also know silsi.
            Come join us.
            Ende Gondere atgderder

          • Ted

            Abi, Melkam Fasiga Habesha style irregardless who you spend it with.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Abi,

            Disclaimer: this is solely intended as a simple revenge for making me jelous of your parents the other day.

            If you like TiHlo you are going to be in good hands someday. As certified by all of her friends and as indorsed by her lovely husband my wife is the best TiHlo maker you will ever know. She is from Kilte Awlaelo in Tigray (where TiHlo is supposed to have been invented), and there is an artistic finesse in the way she handles it. I am grateful!

            Now, go practice how to eat TiHlo properly with your neibhors until you are face to face with the real one.

            PS
            My parents loved each other the old fashioned way, but my mother never called my father by his name, ever, let alone to joke with him.

          • Abi

            Dear Fanti
            You owe me a Thilo. When I was young I used to exchange my difo dabo with ambasha and hibist.
            Regarding my parents, they are very modern and well educated. I told Kim how they met. My father was from a poor family. My mother from a well to do family. He used to tutor her at AAU for a little cash. I think he was a gold digger they got married just after graduating from AAU. The rest is history.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Oh you have one of those, too? I also have an Eritrean neighbor (who I actually know, since childhood) who barbecues at 20 degrees outside wearing gloves 🙂 The difference is we don’t drop our respective citizenship and shout at each other, and that’s how we warm our selves from the cold… 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            What kind of neighbor is this? My neighbor warm me with a black label and a good food not a lousy barbecue. The only time we shout at each other is when we watch soccer. He supports every team that plays against Man U.
            I’m watching AC Milan VS Sampdoria right now.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Go Abi,
            people to people will build the fraternal relationship for our people. You are a good exemplary that you drop your citizenship for the holdiay reflection and chose to warm each other with your abasahanet.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amuni,

            one of our elders has prepared for us small party. it is going on now. I am going to update you in both tigrnigna and Amhric.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abi,

            I am not getting time to concentrate and write everything, from the start till now I have to write only no editing and it will be difficult for you to understand. besides it might be boring for some awate participants. . for you now I have only few starting moments report. have a nice time. read it slowly when you get chance. you may have difficult time understanding it.pardon me..

            ጨወታው ደራ :

            ይህን ያዘጋጁልን የምናከብራቸው ኣዛውንት ናቸው ::ባለፈው ሳምንት ወደ መኖርያ ቤቴ ጎራ ኣሉና ሳንቲም ነገር እንደሚፈሉጉ ሲጠይቁኝ ኣሁን ትዝ ኣለኝ ያኔ ደስታውን ኣልቻልኩትም : ለምነህ ተቀበሉኝ ስትላቸው የማይቀበሉ የክብር ስው ናቸውና :: የፈለጉትን ይንገሩኝ ብቻ ስላቸው “ኣረ የለም ያን ያህል እኮ ኣይደለም ኣንድ የሆነ ጉዳይ ስላለ ካንተም ከጓኞችም ላጠራቅም ነው “ብለው በጣም ጥቂት ሳንቲም ነበር የወሰዱት :: ትናንት ደሞ “በል ነገ በግም ደሮም መግዛት ኣያስፈልግህም : ኣንተም በተሰቡምወደ በቴ “ብለው ደወሉ ::
            የበኣሉ ስነ ስርዓት ከመከፈቱ በፊት የሃበሻ ቆጦሮ ነውና ያልመጡትን መጠበቅ ነበረብን ::እዚህ ላይ ነበር የቀልድ ሪኮርድህን የሚበጥሱ ሰዎች ለማየት የቻልኩት ::
            ኣንዱ ነው ኣንዱን “ኣንተ መናጢ ጀበርቲ ሓጂ ኣሁን ጠላ ከኛ ጋር ልትጠጣ ነው?” ብሎ ይጠይቃል፧
            ሓጂ እንደማፈር ኣለና “ኣይ መካ መዲና ማይ ዘምዘም ጠጥተህ ጠላ መጠታት የማይታሰብ ነው” ይላል ትግርኛን ተጎዝጉዞ መናገሩ ከ ኣምበጣ በሊነት ነጻ ኣላደረገውም ::
            “ኣይ ጸሙ ኣልተፈታልኝም ኣትልም ?” ኣለ ጠያቂው :
            “መቸ ጾምኩትና” ቀጠለ ሓጂ :
            ኣረና ምን ልትጠጣ ነው ? ደገመ ጠያቂ :
            ራቅ ብላ ስትሰማ የቆየች የቄሱ ልጅ : “ ኣንተ ምን ነክቶህ ነው ሰውየውን ይምታዋክበው ? ደሞም እሱ የሚጠጣውን ጠላ ኣዘጋጅተልነታል :”
            “ምን የሚባል?”
            “ኣብሽ ነዋ!’
            “ነው …ወይ መተሳሰብ :: ኣሁን እኛ ኣባወራዎቹ ያላሰብነውን እናንተ ኣሰባችሁት ? ይገርማል”
            “እኛ ሃበሾች የሴት መሪዎች ያስፈሉጉናል” ኣለ ሓጂ ::
            እኔም ተቀብየ – ጥቅምሽ እንዲጠበቅልሽ እኮ ነው : ኣይደል ?
            “የምን ጥቅም ?” ኣለ ቆጣ ብሎ ::
            ኣይ ኣብሽ ሁሌ እንዲዘጋጅልሽ ማለቴ ነው ::

            ሰትየዋ “ይህው ከመጀመራችን በፊት ” ብላ ኣብሹን ከተፍ ኣደረገች:: “መሽኣላህ ተባረከላህ” ኣለና ብርጭቆውን ወደ ላይ እየተመለከተ የኣቢሹን ቀለም ኣደነቀ :: “ቢስሚላህ” ብሎ ሳብ ሳብ ኣደረገው :: “ክበሪ ኣላህ እንዲያው ለጀነት ይበልሽ “ ኣለና መሳቡን ቀጠለ::
            ጠጋ ብየ ኣንቺ ሳትሞች ስለ ጀነት ጸሎት? ብላት “ኣረ እና ብህይወት እያለሽ ገና ሳትሞች :- ሞሞትሽን ኣስቤ ኣዘንኩኝ ስላንቺ የተባለ ልዚህ ኣይደለ“ ኣለ ያ ነገረኛ ሸፋፋ ጓደኛየ ::በውነት ነገረኛ ነው : ልክ እንደ saay7 :: እዚች ላይ ጀበርቲው ቅር ያለው ይመስላል : ብቁረኛ ኣይን ተመለከተው “ሂጂ ጀበርበር ኣታካብጅ እንግዲህ “ ኣለና ጥርሱን ኣሳየ ::
            እኔም ጨዋታውን መቀየር ኣማረኝና – ይህ ጾም በኤርትራና በኢትዮጵያ ሃበሾች ዘንድ እንዲቀጥል እንደተውሰነ ሰችማሁ ? ብየ ስጠይቅ “ኣረ ኣልሰማንም ግን ለምን ?” ኣሉ ባንድ ድምጽ :: ደሮና በግ መግዛት ካልተቻለ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ብደሞክራሲያዊ :- ደንብ የኤርትራ ደሞ በታላቁ መሪ ኣቶ ኤስያስ ደምብ ተወስነ ::ውጤቱ ኣንድ ሆነ ርሃብ! እየተራቡ ሞጾም እየጾሙ መራብ ይሉሃል ይህ ነው ::

            ጨወታው ገና እየሞቀ ነበር የሚበላና የሚጠጣ ሞላ:: ግን ገና ያልመጡ ሰዎች ኣሉ የሃበሻ ቆጠሮ :: ሞትን እንደ ሃበሻ ቆጠሮ ብያደርገው ኣትልም :!

            ጀበርቲው “ጥዑም ኣባዕኸ “ እያለ ደጋግሞ ጠጣ ::ሸፋፋው “ኣረ ይብቃ ኣያመረቅንም እንዴ” ኣለ እንደመሳቅ ብሎ : ሁላችንም ሳቅን “ኣረ ኣትሳቁ “ ኣለች ሚስቱ ሻሂ እየቀዳች:: ኣቤት!! ሚስቱ መሆዋን ልትነግረን ነው ብየ ስመለከታት “ባሌን ማውቀው እኔ ! ጫት ኣስፈለገኝ የሚለውን ሃሳብ ለሚመለከትው እያስተጋባ እኮ ነው “ ሳቁ ቀጠለ – ይገርማል የማን ኣራዳ መጣች ብየ መንገር ጀመርኩኝ –ግድ የለም እሱም ይቀርባል ግን ለናንተ ሲባል እስከ ቤት ይላካል ብላት “ይሻላል ? እሺ በቃ “ ኣትልም ::

            ኣብየ :-
            ገና ኮ ኣልተጀመረም ግን ጅምሮስ መቸ ልያልቅ ? ወደ ሰላሳ ቀልዶችን ያዝኩልህ እስካሁን :: ሰው ሁሉ ሲመጣና መብላቱ ሲጀመር ምን ያህል እንደምሰብስብ መገመቱ ኣያስቸግርም :: ግን እነ tes እንዳይበሉን ቀስ እያልን እንያቸው እስካሁን ከተመዘገቡ :ቀልዶች ዋነኛ ቦታ የያዘችውን ላቅርብና ልቅጭ ::

            ወደ ሽንት ቤቱ ገባ :-ማን እንዳትል ያ ባለ ኣብሽ ነዋ! ግን በጣም ቆየ :: “ ኣይ!” ኣለ ሸፋፋው “ኣይ -ኣብሹ ብቻ ኣይመስለኝም
            ደህና የሆነ ምሳ እንክት ኣድርጎ የመጣ ይመስለኛል “ ኣለ :: ኣረ ተው ብለው “እማምላክን እነዚ ጀበርቲ ኮ ጥሩ ጥሩ መብላት ይወዳሉ :ኣታያቸውም ? ጀበርቲ በስራ- ቢለፋ ላብ ኣይወጣበትም “ እንዴ እና? በየ ብጠይቀው “ወዝ ነዋ “ ኣይለኝም ኣይ ሸፋፋው : የደርግን ቃላት ኣልረሳቸው ::
            ኣብየ !
            ሸፋፋው ነብር ኮ የኣለም ሰራተኞች ተባበሩ ሲባል ሰምቶ ሰክሮ ሲንገደገድ “የኣልም ጠጠሮች” ተባበሩ ያለው -በጎንደር ከተማ ኣራዳ ኣከባቢ

            ኣዛውንቱ መጡ ::

            ቻው :

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Brother Abi,
            I think Tes may have a point here. The association of Habesha with Christian Island may have alienated some social groups forcing them to resist it and eventually hate it. Add to that Arab migrations
            and here we are.

            Dear Tes,
            From our point of view, we identify anyone from Ethiopia or Eritrea as Habesha. In my case in particular I even tend to think of anyone from the Sudan, Djibouti, and Somalia as Habesha. The only reason I don’t say it out loud is because I know many Sudanese think of Habesha to mean Christian. For most Ethiopians the word Habesha is thrown innocently. In fact, it is used as an effort to exclude politics from our addressing of each other. It looks like we have a long way to go. So, let me apologize ahead because it is going to take a surgery for me to not see you or address you as an Habesha. I have no sinister motive of any kind, but it is literally written into my gene so to speak.

            I had a Lebanese Moslem family friends whose last name was Habash, and they always said they are proud Habesha although they have no recollection of any recent bloodline to our region. I am sure that added a degree to my regionalizing of the word Habesha.

            Conclusion: unless you sense an indirect insult or sinister motive associated with it please take the word Habesha as innocently as it is meant most of the time.
            Selam.

          • Abi

            Dear Fanti
            Tes can rant and ran . Abesha and ethiopia are here to stay forever.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dearest Fanti Ghana,

            Good observation and good historical intake. Most, on the side of the “rejectionist of habesha” debaters are based on the “unknown fears” related with the Ethio-Eritrean conflict. Their fears is anything of history ( societal origin, history, culture) that relate with Ethiopia will somehow affect the sovereignty of the nascent nation Eritrea. What they don’t understand is “Identity” and “nations” evolve with time and circumstances. Eritrea is born with the new reality and circumstances. Nothing will change the current status que of Eritrea as a “Sovereign nation” at this time. We don’t know what the “dynamic evolutionary process” will transpire 2 to 3 generations from now.

            The generational fear in the “transformational process” will not subside until we cultivate transformational leadership in the countries of the horn. The new transformational process will change the nature of the “old relationship between the states” of the region and promote new relationships that fits the new dynamic of socio-economic relationships between the states based on the common “regional security arrangement” that could harmonize the geopolitics of the region. Slowly but surely this will happen by the dictation of circumstances and the evolvement of geopolitics of the region.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Amanuel,

            There is no uknown fear, you are just biast. You only want to learn things from people whom you agree with. I remember few months ago when Hamid Al- Arabi tried to teach you history on identities, you dismissed him as blah blah without any counter argument. I understand that it is you right to agree or to disagree with whomever you want, but please stop acting as if you are not baist and a messenger for reconciliation.

            Regards

            Happy Easter by the way!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            Do you disagree on what I have said, that “The new transformational process will change the nature of the “old relationship between the states” of the region and promote new relationships that fits the new dynamic of socio-economic relationships between the states based on the common “regional security arrangement” that could harmonize the geopolitics of the region.” If you don’t agree on my statement, what is your prediction as to the evolvement of the region on how it will undergo transformational change? Please enlighten me with your vision on the transformational change.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Amanuel,

            Obviously I was not addressing the last paragraph of your reply instead you said: “Most, on the side of the “rejectionist of habesha” debaters are based on the “unknown fears” related with the Ethio-Eritrean conflict. Their fears is anything of history ( societal origin, history, culture) that relate with Ethiopia will somehow affect the sovereignty of the nascent nation Eritrea. What they don’t understand is “Identity” and “nations” evolve with time and circumstances.” Now, I hope my earlier comment rings the bell.

            thank you!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            Nothing a substance to it. Except rejection to my statement. There isn’t input against my statement either to the former or later quoted statement of mine. Come on Peace rejection without an alternative is simply arrogance. Try to open and share your cognitive view with the rest of us. That is the only minimum demand from me. All you are doing is either to question people’s motive or reject without any justification and verifiable alternatives. We are talking about geopolitics of the region.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            Yes, I am questioning your obvious biased assertions. And yes you are right when you said ” rejection without an alternative is simply arrogance” that’s exactly my point; in fact, I had the same feeling when you dissmiss people whom you don’t agree with without alternative like Hamid Al- Arabi and others. By the way deflection is not an argument.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,
            Come on brother, you don’t have anything to share your vision on the subject I raised. But you are here just to reject the views of others only: that isn’t productive. Please engage, collaborate, co-create and share your solution. I haven’t seen so far except outright rejection to views as oppose to your views which are known to yourself only.

            Second I didn’t debate with “Hamid al Arabi” about identity issues. What I debated if he is the same person in case was, with “Hameed” and that wasn’t about identity. It was about the issue of ENCDC. That is was around 2012. I think you have mistaken of identity. Check with your memory if it isn’t memory lapses. Or give me some hints what I was arguing vs his argument. Blanket accusation doesn’t accrue any score of validation, if you are in the group of business of scoring.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            “I think it is better to draw the
            expression “bela-below’ from your comment and put in your pocket. I hope you will not force me to respond with expressions that will make you cry and jump like a child.”

            Hameed Al-Arabi

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            I think you are again in another mess.

            I think there is no one who is rejecting but making a delimitation. If there are habesh in Eritrea, there are Arabs too. We can not reject one and accept the other.

            If Eritrea is not an Arab country so is not a habesha country. But both live in the country. Eritrea belongs to all.

            What we are rejecting is the doctrine of habeshanism. The word that is coming after Christianism.

            Eritrea and Ethiopia will establish a strong relationship not because of identity but based on mutual respect.

            You know more than anybody what an identity politics is. if one is promoting identity based politics, like what KS is loudly declaring, Hamid Al-Arabi will also declare Arabism. Then what will be the fate?

            I don’t know why your politics is getting so sour and bitter these days. If it was like this from the very beginning, then it is time to re-assess it. if not, the new wave will not put any mercy on you.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tes,

            This is my last response to you, but I will not say buy to you without telling this: Learn something that “no body will have the same view like you in everything”. Cultivate the issues you could have in common with your colleagues, and leave the remaining differences you might have to be resolved when time and circumstances clears the path. If you don’t learn this two facts, you can’t even work as team for anything. With that so long brother and wish you in all your endeavors. Avoid my name in your debates.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            How bitter it was when you and your organization (ELF) left Eritrea during the armed struggle?

            Just curious. You can not say everytime bye. Stay and challenge. I am in fact getting tougher so that you can come out from your Never Land. I am trying to knock you again and again so that you can be energized.

            Let me tell you dear Amanuel Hidrat, your fight against Saleh Younis is is hindering the Awate Forum politics from making any progress. I tried my best to call you for reconciliation but you can’t make it. Then you came with a declining hope. I came to you in order to test your politics. It was ok until you finally lost hope of Eritrean politics and labeled it as politics of Never Land.

            I am giving you hope at my level best. To be tough without mercy. I am doing it purposefully so that I want a heated and alive discussion not a cry every now and then.

            I am not young compared to your age in the the 1970s when you and your comrades had an absolute responsibilities to make decisions in our fate.

            Now, I am purposefully making my reaction bitter. I love peace and friendship but not on crying. I love tough and principled people. Till now you are and you will be remembered as such but come from your Never Land so that we can be strong together.

            This is a message to you. I will not say good bye because I will still continue to respond.

            Rhus Fasika!!!

            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mr Amanuel,

            I am really, honestly, genuinely puzzled about where I was all this years not to see the possible toxicity of calling someone Habesha. I swear to you Awatistas on my mother’s grave when I ask someone if they are
            Habesha I am simply asking if they are from Eritrea or Ethiopia. That included Afar and Somali Ethiopians, and all Eritrean lawlanders. I guess I must have been using it all these years only with those who believe they are Habesha to begin with (given the range of friends I have this is very, very unlikely) or I must have been lucky with those who were not, and they just recognized an honest look with my approach and tolerated my blunder. In either case I never thought about it the way we have been discussing it lately (damn you Gheteb) until now.

            I can’t even imagine how many friends I must have been making feel uncomfortable.

            SGJ’s take regarding this subject
            on another thread is beautifully done, and I think I will stick with that for a while.

          • Ted

            Fant, for most Ethiopians and Eritreans asking “are you Habesha” is a good ice breaker as it means ” i don’t care where you come from”. It honest and genuine with no string attached to it. Time has changed and we need to adopt accordingly.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Ted,
            Well said. I guess that’s why someone coined “live and learn.”

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I really love your honest engagment. You are peace loving and honest person.

            Let me clarify one more time.

            I do also ask people if they are habesha. When I do that, I am following the methodology applied by Arabs based on facial expression. When I ask that, I am refering the geographical location refered by Arabs and has nothing to do with identity but from where they come from.

            Even today, I visited a friend to celebrate Easter holiday. I asked him if there are habesha around him. If it is upto that level, it is of pure innocence and of historical references.

            being in Eritrea or Ethiopia, no one asks anybody if he is habesha or not as there is no ambiguity.

            In the diaspora, before the Arabs where using Habesha to identified those who were visiting their land. Even if you observe some people in today’s Eritrea, especially the lowlanders, “Are you Habesh” is a common way to identify those who come from the highland.

            This tells us, it linked to geography more than identity. But geography can also be refered as an identity if the area has some reputation.

            Therefore, we are simply following what the Arabs used to refer us before no matter who we are. Problem may arise sometimes if you are encountered with sensitive people but generally it is safe to adress in that way.

            The problem comes when habeshanism is referred at an identity level of the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia. Habesha belongs to habesha people only and it must be given to them. Neverthless, what we see in the habeshanism doctrine is different. It is fascism and disrespectful.

            For example, I saw in a FB page öf Oromo society saying, “we are fade up of habesha and habeshanism” https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Are-Fade-Up-with-Habesha-and-Habeshanism/256014414570064?fref=ts.

            This means, there are people who are excluded while refering habesha as an identity of both countries. And this is my take during my discussion, the politicized form of habeshanism.

            Let habesha be for the habesha people only. Let’s not impose identity on others. If you read KS, he is telling me that I am rejecting my habeshanet when I am not. I don’t reject something when it is not. I am simply saying, that is who you are and this is who I am.

            With Respect

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            till now I was trying my best to let you know what I am saying. I came to know now you are just purposely saying things that I didn’t say. you have reached to level to call me fascist. now that is enough. don’t put in every comment ” KS say so and so”. I am not going to reply to you as I don’t reply to PFDJistas. if there is no discipline that governs you I am not interested to have words with you. I don’t know why you are interested abut KS so much, when I don’t care about you. People are reading your and mine and it is easy to see it openly but you come with your own to create doubts. that is only low level tactics and I am not used to that style.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            As I am not writing about PFDJites to respond to me same is for you too. I have observed enough about PFDJ and I am writing to expose them. Same holds true with you.

            My objective is to expose your habeshanism doctrine nothing else. If you hate that so did PFDJ when I write about the PFDJ ideology.

            Dear KS, I have enough about your habeshanism and it is enough for me to say what I have to say. If you oppose it, oppose it but I will not stop it. I have by now enough of your politics. You go for your habeshanism and I will go for my humanism. I respect your habesha identity but I reject your habeshanism doctrine. Voila!!!

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Tes,
            what you will expose my friend with this mind that you have? you are only disturbing and nothing else. you are lost since long time and you are becoming like a child. did I force you to be habesha? you are shooting on the air. are you trying to give me instruction to say I am not habesha? didn’t you learn from PFDJ forcing Jeberty people to say we are not Jeberty and badly failed ? did they stop experiencing their culture? so my friend you are becoming small everyday and you need to come back to your original tes (if what I know is the same one before) by the way is it the same tesfa brhan? if so go back to tesfa brhan and dial you may find me on line otherwise go now and forever don’t put any thing under my post to label me fascist as I can’t call you so.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            I need you honest response as usual dear KS.

            Let you explain to me what you mean when you say this, “…If he [you were refering to me while responding to Abi] is around me, and watch what is prepared here for our wonderful day he could have said yes I am proud Habesha.

            If it is not meant an imposition, then, I will ask a formal apology.

            tes

        • selam

          Dear Abi

          calling names is not habesha culture ? Ow ja , you never call people names , you people are very very nice. If you want to apply the word habesha as you all are trying to , i guess we can accuse you for killing us and also our culture , you people are very kind , waw, whose culture is then calling names ? By the way i am assuming all you people with the habesha thing are just not up to your prayers , i assume IA, Meles , dergi , hailesilasie , ya you have done good job . You people are abusing us to death, no one knows when you will stop killing our culture and our way of life.

          • Abi

            Selam
            Kemey haderki Asmara Tsibuqti ?
            In Abesha culture we refrain to say ” you people.” Count how many times you said it . Once was one too many.
            Take it easy, shukorina

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            are you using the 2nd heart ? I am not going to allow you use the third one. You said all you want and then want to play nice . I hope you know i am not your neighbor kid.Your arogance do not cheapen me at all. So feel free and swim with your habeshaynet.

          • Abi

            Selam
            I wait until I have 9 hearts. Only a butcher counts hearts or may be an organ trafficker.
            Where is Rahwa with multiple hearts to explain this to me.
            I am lost.

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            ok , lets assume the heart to be head . Oww Abi , i have no clue rahawa has multiple hearts. The butchers are knowing to be from… like dergi & meles . Well we have one IA and he has DNA from ethiopia lol . Did i go far , please allow me to stop.

          • Abi

            Selam
            No you did not go far by your standard. I always expect worse than this . Please continue….

          • Dear Abi,
            I googled and found that there are creatures with more than one heart. Examples are the octopus, the squid, and others. After all, it seems that it is not a bad idea to have more than one anatomic heart. Contrary to our feelings and opinions that can never be the same at all times and under all circumstances, an anatomic heart will continue to beat, come rain or sunshine, until of course the end. Multiple hearts may save from the trouble of a heart transplant. When the one does not function well, then one can simply push another button, and the next heart takes over. (just kidding)

            HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYBODY!

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            Your idea will make organ trafficking business less appealing.
            Melkam Fasika.

    • selam

      Dear Gheteb

      Well done and thanks for stepping up up to the mama Ethiopia heinous political hegemony people and also to some wrong understanding of habesha. This word has no historical significance to eritreans and nor do they care . why will some one see only through the word habesha to have a unified people . Can they find any similarities where the habesha make or break for the daily life of our people. None they do not have.

      They can have their choice to be habesha and also some can choose to have a cemetry in a place where they choose. But they have no right or what so ever to make their political vision over a people they never related too.

      Lets start pitching unify our people and bring change in which we desperately need.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,

        show me one single man who said “mama Ethiopia” in fact I read this only from you and tes.

        • selam

          Dear K.S
          Are you concerned that i said the heinous political hegemony of Ethiopia is not going to work or , because i said they can choose to swing their tail to mama ethiopia. Mama ethiopia is my way of explaining to the fascist ideas not specifically to one person. You know i am open to union under a mutual understanding of the two people. What i do not support is the heinous way of painting.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam,
            you will go higher more than me and others. Just keep searching the truth.still more to go.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            ziban aboka meles ab hogoka dergi ,i know what is truth and i stand on it. But it is not habesha.
            Forgive me the aboka meles thing , i am kidding.
            Happy party day with all your families.

    • Gebrekirstos

      It is astounding to see you paining (by going back centuries) to debunk the Habesha identity, and yet you have the gall to promote an identity called Etritreanism, which is just a baby identity and one that is born out of colonialism and slavery ( a badge of shame, to be frank). Absurd, huh? Don’t you think it is easier to throw this imposed and deformed identity (Eritreanism) rather than Habesha, which is established and deep-rooted? The Habesha identity is stronger because it is fluid and inclusive, encompassing languages and ethnicities. I tell you, it is much easier to throw Eritreanism to the Mediterranean Sea, close to its origin and free its captives than debunk Habesha.

      • selam

        Dear Ghebirekiri
        Eritreanism is doing what ever possible to survive even in the middle of ethiopia, Eritreans go ask them , they do not feel ashamed by the name . The cost of Eritrea is very very high so not to feel intimidated by people like you.
        Eritreansim is not a slavery badge , how far will you go bash and insult us.

        To the sheer mishandling of awate.com moderator , why is this not derogatory , i feel offended by such words. Imagine the word agame and a badge of shame , please compare both of them , which one is insulting word ? This kind of bashing degrade the value of awate.com very very low in the face of Eritreans . Where ever they are who ever they will stand to fight back . You know we have killed all your grand fathers to find the word Eritrea, if you have no clue please ask dergi and his generals.

        To awate.com moderator , you are not fair to the eritrean hereo , this one of the many insult to our hereos and you are doing nothing . Please act

        To some one like

        • Gebrekirstos

          Dear Selam,
          There is nothing derogatory in this post of mine. Imagine this scenario: Mr. X takes Mr. Y captive. After that, he renames, enslaves him, abuses him in all imaginable ways, dehumanizes him reducing him into a state below the level of humanness. Now, after sometime, Mr. X was defeated and Mr. Y freed.

          What do you think of MR. Y wanting to keep identify endearingly with the new name that his captor gave him and all other adjectives with which his captor abused him? And what do you think of Mr. Y wanting to identify himself with objects that are left overs from his captor? Or even, what do you think of Mr. Y speaking good of those times of captivity and slavery? And what do you think of Mr. Y toiling to disown his history and identity prior to his captivity? That is Eritrea to me.

          cheers,
          Gebrekirstos

      • Peace!

        DearGebrekirstos,

        We have Eritrean proverb for nerds: “Tedel’yo’omo Y’zinga’akin” In case you don’t know what that mean, just whisper to your nick name it will translate for you. If you wish to be take seriously in this forum, you need a brain (preferably EGO FREE) and good intentions.

        Regards

        • Gebrekirstos

          Dear Peace,

          “Tedel’yo’omo Y’zinga’akin”, do you think this is an Eritrean proverb? Do you think it is right, if I say, this is a Tigrayan proverb? Moving on, I do not toil to be taken seriously (that is reserved for those who need it); the ideas do the job for me. 🙂 If we talk about ideas, we move forward. Should we put aside do’s and don’ts aside (the moderators will do that when they think there is a need)? To remind you the idea: I suggested we kill the newly imposed identity that has became a burden for its captives and the entire humanity than trying in vain to debunk a rooted and healthy identity that is built over centuries, if not millenia. Additionally, the roots of the Eritrean identity are colonialism and slavery, something not to be proud of in a normal world and for people that have some shred of dignity. Now, talk about that, rather than read intents and wishes like a witch.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Gebrekristos, and all Habesha

            “…the roots of the Eritrean identity are colonialism and slavery.”

            That is the reason why Eritreans are rejecting the Habesha identity and are suspicious of it. The above is a sample of the fascist traits of many Habesha extremists.

            Sorry Gebrekristos, even Habesha is a manufactured term–it was not delivered to us from God through the angle Gabriel. It was not in a holy baptism. Whatever you think about Eritrean identity applies to any other identity, including Ethiopian. It is irresponsible comments like this that spoil sane debates.

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Saleh,
            “the roots of the Eritrean identity are colonialism and slavery”, is this factually wrong? Can you say why you think saying this is wrong? I would not think any one would disagree with this statement.

            There is no problem with a name of an identity being manufactured by outsiders. The problem is in t he context the name was given and the contexts of the name giver and name receiver.
            cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Ted

            Dear GK, Which one is making you wired, We being separate from your Ethiopia or we rejecting Habesha. Would you be Ok if we keep Habesha as Etitrean. Does it make you feel closer to us? You seem be to angry for long time gone issue. We use Habesh as we see it fit, if it unites us we will keep it, and if it works against us, we will drop it. You have no say how Eritreans want to be portrayed.

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Ted,
            The sense of importance that you live in is only in your head. For your info, we do not believe that you separated yourselves, we believe we disposed you knowing well what the disposal means to us . Get over that sense of importance for that is the reason for where Eritrea is today. For further info, the entire budget of Eritrea is way less than the budget of one Ethiopian regional citiy, say BahrDar’s, Mekelle’s. The days of living off the colonial leftovers are gone for good, and the naked reality is staring at Eritreans, and they are running from it as if it is a monster.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Gebrekirstos,
            you can’t say all this and think you teach and learn and expect peace. Here it is not Ted, or ch…(I don’t know that name) or some narrow minded you should only see, Here there are a lot of people with good experience and who are responsible for every word. be responsible please. and by the way some ideas are better kept unsaid even if you think are true since no one benefits except the egoist mind. keep going but with decent ideas.

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Kokhob,

            Although your comment is targeted on my personality like all others that interacted with me (I can not tell you how much I would be happy if one, just one was to talk about the ideas), I like it much better than the others. And this is because of this: ” by the way some ideas are better kept unsaid even if you think are true since no one benefits except the egoist mind.”. You have a point here, and this is true if my goal is to “to heal wounds” (to use Amanuel’s phras)e. But like I said, I am here merely for exchange of ideas, not to win hearts and minds through love, soothing language, and conciliatory tone. That sort of stuff , we do not do it any more (exclude few such as Fanti). Our fathers did it, and we know its costs. It will be foolish for us to walk the same walk. In simple English, the days of lullaby, love and brotherhood (the old naive and innocent Ethiopian (Tigrayan) type) are over (some things never come come back), and today it is about the hard realpolitik.

          • Ted

            Dear KS, you threw me under the bus of the worst of worst hopeless Tigraway to run me over.
            .” Here it is not Ted, or ch…(I don’t know that name) or some narrow minded you should only see…..”
            I know you wished you have said what Gebrekirstose said but it takes taking position and defending your ideas which is not your strong suit. GK thinks he disposed us for good while you are looking for every twisted and meliciose avenue to keep the union alive. If you ask me i prefer GK 1000 times over than wet soap like you.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted, what has gone wrong? did I mention your name? sorry for that. Lol my friend it is clear i put it purposely. now I have to note why you said “I know you wished you have said what Gebrekirstose said but it takes taking position and defending your ideas which is not your strong suit.” and work on that. see, you send a massage to my mind that there are people who think so about me, and think about it. isn’t it?
            now you should also think and try to knock you head why I put your name over there. at last hopefully we will over come our short comings. then one day you will be come gentle and stop blaming others and I will be come strong to face you. Learning!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gebrekiratos,

            One of the things that irked Ethiopians from Eritreans was especially in the nineties (even though, it has been reduced a lot these days) was excessive taunting and bravado. Unfortunately, now I see that you are doing the same. It is unbecoming and un-Habesha to tell another human being that you “disposed” them. No one ‘disposed’ anyone. Especially, you wouldn’t talk to someone in their own house. Remember, we are guests here, and to be honest they let us to say whatever we want to say, no matter how it makes them uncomfortable. However, everything has a boundary. We don’t have to wait for them to remind us what that boundary is. If you want to be listened to and getting your points across, speak those you want to listen to you with respect and gentleman’s decorum. They are only willing to listen to you. They don’t have an obligation to listen to you. In this forum, I have said so many things that made many Eritreans uncomfortable and even irked. But I have never belittled anyone as a human being and as a people. To say to someone that they are ‘disposed’ is to degrade their humanity, and that is unacceptable.

          • saay7

            Epic Eyobai:

            The last time Gebrekristos showed up was to criticize awate, oh, who cares: he is a bitter hateful man who just undid all the Habesha goodwill that SGJ had created…

            I am dedicated this song to you. I expect you to tell awatista why it’s important and why we here at awate are so committed to building bridges with the people of Ethiopia which, sebat Zena! does not always mean the ethio government..

            Happy holidays

            Sing it Ephrem. This guy has the most melodious voice I have heard: Mahmoud and Tilahun ages ese can pull up his chair and take lessons. Yeah I went there:)

            http://diretube.com/mobile/ephrem-roha/the-reunion-ኤፍሬምና-ሮሀ-እንደገና-2015-video_7de11b8a6.html

            .

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Getting stuck with an elevator with Dawit is a very harsh and cruel punishment that needs to be abolished by a UN, AU, EU…and everything U immediately… 🙂

            Now, What? Did you just suggest Ephrem needs to give a lesson to Tilahun and Mehammud? How dare you, man? Ephrem is good but he has never been and will never be THAT good.

            Thank you so much for the song. This is from a new album that is released for the reunion of the famous Roha Band. All of them have gathered from all over the world to make this happen. Selam Seyoum from USA, Jovani Ricco from Italy, Haileab Nerayo from Norway/Asmara, Dawit Yifru, Yared Tefera from Addis Ababa…etc…I say they did a great job…

          • saay7

            Hi Eyobai:

            You think I was exaggerating? Here’s Mahmoud with Roha band. Compare. Ephrem blows the lids off.

            And no it’s not cruel and unusual punishment to have Gebrekristos stuck with Dawit. It won’t even be cruel and unusual if Nitricc was added and all he said was “you are so toothless.” In fact, he should be stuck with Gud (remember him?) That’s how toxic Gebrekristos is. Apparently, nobody sent him the memo; almost all African countries are proud of who they are and almost all were colonies and owe their political map to colonialists.

            Heres Mahmud with Roha Band: compare and contrast with Ephrem and Roha Band.

            saay

            http://youtu.be/1o-kDk-O1H8

          • Rahwa T

            Selamat Saay,

            I agree with Eyobay. Please listen this young emerging star and tell me if you like him.

            http://www.diretube.com/balageru-idol/watch-dawit-tsiges-best-performance-4th-audition-video_e67d714b3.html

          • Burbank

            Satay, your brilliance, intelligence and tolerance is amazing. I can’t have enough of it. What books should I read to get that level up.

          • saay7

            Selam Burbank:

            You know what’s happening now: thousands of Awatista eyeballs are rolling; thousands of mouths are murmuring “another cousin?!” 🙂

            Books: I have a wild and eclectic taste. I read everything except books on cuisine, travel and golf 🙂 unfortunately, almost all are in English and I feel I am missing out on great Arabic, Tigrinya and Amharic books, languages that long ago I loved enough to read. Anyway, I have a weakness for Russian novels and my life slogan/warning is a sentence from Leo Tolstoy. On matters of the heart it’s Willa Cather. On the meaning of life, it’s Annie Dillard. (Although lately I think I have fallen in love with Alexandra Fuller); and of course the Bible (King James version) and the Quran (Yusuf’s translation and commentary)…and I will like thank the Academy and… Just so you don’t think I am that deep, I also find great wisdom in pop culture and I am prone to quoting random lines from movies, music lyrics and the last philosophers left standing…stand up comics.

            saay

          • Gebrekirstos

            Hi Eyob,
            Thanks for your advice (another one I did not ask for, but seems the forum is more an advice forum than a forum for exchange of ideas). I really do not believe I am doing excessive taunting nor bravado ( not to mention their insulting connotations in how you use them) . What I say in this forum is what I believe at present. The disposal thing should be seen in the context of the comment for which it is a reply. Please, understand that I am not belittling any body, or people. I am debating ideas and if there are people who identify so much with the ideas and consequently feel hurt, I am sorry but that is something I can not do much about. Regarding the hosting thing and we being guests, I want to thank them, but I am not censoring myself for that. I like to debate ideas and it is not my thing to sugarcoat them with flatteringz, especially not to appease others when my inner self does not feel so. My approach is to focus only on the ideas, and where there is not one just ignore it. Like I said, I do not have any goal here other than the exchange of ideas, debate them and debunk myths. If my language is sounding too arrogant, I would like to state that that is not the intention.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gebrekiratos

            I know that my advise was unsolicited. However, when we discuses issues, I believe that it’s not only issues that we should discuses. It also should be to make each other aware of what we see is faulty or wrong. I don’t expect you to sugarcoat anything or refrain to say what you feel you need to say. All I was respectfully asking you was not to make our discussion of issues a shouting and taunting match by using words similar, but not limited to ‘disposed’. I never want you to censor yourself at all. I have been in this forum for a long time to share my experience with you. If you go back and read my comments, there was not almost anything that I have not been discussed over for the last few years. Many of the issues were the issues that you are now discussing about, and from your side of point of view. Even though they hated many of the things I had to say, because of a respectable space that we have created to respect each other, over time we have developed a kind of online friendship.. 🙂 Usually, I believe one can get a point across in a match better way and hit the goal they aim for, if the getting the point across is not done in a brush way that rubs the masses in a wrong. There are some forumers here that I am not even acknowledging their names or even their existence, because they rub me, as an Ethiopian in a very very wrong way and irritate me every time I have to read anything they have to say about any issue particularly about Ethiopia. I decided to offer the unsolicited advise to you because I remembered how I feel about those people and I did not want my fellow countryman to be viewed the same way I see and think of these forumers… Thank you for reading.. 🙂

          • Gebrekirstos

            Hi Eyob,
            it is really not my intention to engage in emotional provocations, belittling or degrading. If any of my comments came across like that, that is unfortunate. The level of friendship and respect that you said you have built was built over time, I think. I am new here and I do not think you miss that much of what people are taking from my posts is misunderstanding and and how-come-he-talks-like-that things.

            I will take care of the use of my words. Thank you.
            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • selam

            Dear GB
            The tough guy from abay tigrai , who is way angry because he lost his vision of abay tigrai, I was just nearly to throw the words you know vomit and drive you crazy but I stoped due tou Kim, Abi, T.kifle and others . I was so surprised why any one from Ghebru asrat school was allowed to spit so much on us, well I understood after I remembered your goal.
            I am the most erratic commenter in this debate but I never ever say the words you are saying to us against the Tigrai people or the ethiopian people except to the leaders. Now please bring on you venom and lets have it, it should not be bad as killing us , murdering us and taking our wealth and so many Genocide .
            We will let the dust settle first and we will deal with Ghebru asrat and the fake doctors by sitting in cinema ROMA, I am sure your father know that place, their were all over doing.. yet , time has changed and we have accepted your aided tigra

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Awate forumers,
            Happy Easter!

            Selam,
            I agree with the comments forwarded from other compatriots on Gebrekirstos’s tone. I wont try to repeat as they have said it nicely. I hope he will come with smooth approach and not stop writing at Awate. Having said that I want to tell you that your never stopped insulting the our people in most of your comments. You may think that we we stupid to understood your idea. But I can see you are insulting us in your words. The only difference is you are doing it at “your house”. Finally, if the above holiday wishes doesn’t concern, I would say sorry,

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa
            I never used a single eord to insult all ethiopian people be it tigrai people. What I said was about some dishonest people like ghebru asrat , ghebre .. and the leaders who have killed us to death. So my post is only directed to these people. I have my deepest respect for ethiopian people.

            please do not try to cover up things about your brother Ghebre. He is not on your gate as I can see his soul burning.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Selam,

            It is good to see nice words coming out of your mouth in respect of the people of Ethiopia. But I don’t think you were creaming butter to a portion of the people of Ethiopia in your last statement above: “…time has changed and we have accepted your aided tigra.”

          • Burbank

            Eyob, Happy Easter. I have used the above comment as a sample that both people and countries could pull it off and establish a US-Canadian type of relationship in few years after IA is gone. On the Eritrea side, we have to make sure SAAY and SGJ lead a transition government or/and the first term of a freely elected one.

          • Abi

            Selam Burbank
            My all time favorite Awatista Hayat Adem said the exact same words regarding the R/P between the two countries about 2 years ago .
            Happy Easter. Please come often.

          • Burbank

            Hello Abi,

            Oh yeah? I am telling you! We will get there and we MUST do (this is not slogan)

            Thank you for the good wish. I hope you had a fabulous one as well, dear.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Eyobay,

            Thank you for telling him the right thing. Sure sometimes people they don’t know their boundary. And this guy for heaven sake, he hasn’t any shame to come in this website, home of Eritreans and Ethiopians to vomit his diatribe and temper tantrum to disrupt the ongoing discussion. Worest, he doesn’t heed the advice rendered to him including yours.

            regards,

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamt Mr. Amanuel,
            Yes, How big of Eyob to see “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” that quickly. It is sad to see there still are this many angry people in this 11th hour. Somehow it has been difficult for many of us Ethiopians to ask “why is my brother behaving this way?” We unfailingly seem to value the reaction of Eritreans over the reason that led to that it.
            Gosh! where are the gods?

          • tes

            Dear Gebrekirstos,

            Abi said the same thing you are saying so many times but with wisdom. No matter how you try to be with ideals, your arrogance is so loud and simply meaningless.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Gebrekirstos,
            .
            Gebrekirstos, what a name what a response. “For your info, we do not believe that……what the disposal means to us.”
            What kind of nonsense is this? This is not ancient history where I had to rely on the likes of you for the information. I read the papers at the time and watched the video shot by BBC. You should be humble and speak with a little humility. I am ashamed of you. I am not even sure who the WE is, that endorse such a mean spirited language.
            I hate to get involved in this kind of muck and for sure wont read anything under that name anymore.
            .
            K.H

          • Abel

            Dear Ghebrekirstos,
            After 30+years of bloody war and well over 100K scarifies, Eritrea is free from Ethiopia and Ethiopia is free from Eritrea.”We all are free from each other”.
            Given the existing hatred,bigotry and an identity crises exhibited by most,I also believe the Ethio/Eritrean relations should and will remain at ARMS LENGTH for the foreseeable feature.

          • Saleh Johar

            Gebrekristos,
            I hope what tone and attitude means. We are not stupis though you must think you are more Chelle. See foryourself the difference between the two statements:

            1. give me a cup of water. (the face is smiling and no smirk)
            2. GIVE ME A CUP OF WATER (tense facial muscles and an evil smirk)

            Your attitude is #2. Why would a statement “the roots of Ethiopian identity are invasion and slavery” what would be wrong? At least from the perspective of many of today’s Ethiopian people?

            Do you expect to conduct a civil discourse by depicting an entire nation as one devoid of any dignity? You know your intention is to insult and provoke. By the way, the roots of the Eritrean nation are the rivers of blood and tens of thousands of lives sacrificed for the sake of ridding Eritrea of occupiers. To ward off occupation and arrogance by people with similar attitude, like yours. We are doing the same to usher freedom from a system led by one who is more like you than Eritreans. Take him home and do us some good, we will consider that a retribution.

            Gebrekristos, save us your lame excuses, you know this is not an anthropology class where you pretend to be sticking to scholarly norms. Even scholars are supposed to be humans, not reckless brigands.

            Finally, I say this: with people like you in it, many people would rather be anything but Habesha. And I don’t blame them. The region has suffered enough of your fascism, your bigotry, and racism. Such attitude is a shame humanity–I will let the bleeding heart Habesha speak for themselves. I have expressed my individual Habesha feeling. People like you make us look very, very, very bad.

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Saleh,
            I have no idea why you wanted to direct your arrow towards my personality (never mind that you just saw only a few posts from me) rather than the ideas. I will not go into the details of my tones, attitudes and intentions. Suffice to say that it is hard to read one’s intentions from a piece of post, and analyse personalities. Taking that path is just counterproductive and I will leave it there. I am here to take ideas , and fight ideas primarily. I also do not care whether Eritreans identify themselves as Habesha or not; it is really not something that I worry a bit about.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Gebrekirstos Hawey,

            I just had a wonderful conversation with you earlier, and I was hopping to have a lot more of that in the future. You see, we have heard it all whether it’s here or some place else on how we are glad they left as if we fought them for 30 years for fun, killing women and children indiscriminately most of the time. Probably your knowledge of what happened in Eritrea by our successive governments is superficial as is the case with many Ethiopians, but Gebrekirstos, you sound a very well schooled fellow. I am sure you can see that either a) they are our people and we were killing each them for no good reason or
            b) they are just a smaller neighbor who happened to look like us and we have been bullying them for the last 60 years just because we can. Either way I am sure you see how supremely unfair that is. I don’t want to get into gorry details of what happened in Eritrea, but to give an example, one official was killed somewhere
            near Keren in the early days of Eritrean revolution, and 400 civilians in that area were killed in a single move as a lesson for others. Most of those people had no idea what had happened. Among many other horrors that is really what we represent brother.

            You said “I am here to take ideas, and fight ideas primarily.” But to what end? What do you have to see happen so that you get some satisfaction? Judging from your take about their identity and colonialism you sound as if you are mad they were colonized or for behaving how a colonized people should behave. Can you see the no win scenario we are placing Eritreans in?

            Your identity came from somewhere: fine
            Your problem is a result of your identity: fine
            We are glad you left: fine
            We don’t want you in the future: fine
            But we can’t leave you alone.
            Do you see how ridiculous we sound?
            Please brother take some time to think it over, and let’s continue to learn from each other.

          • Saleh Johar

            Fanti Ghana,
            After reading your mention of the 400 civilians near Keren, I decided to share a chapter from my book “Of Kings And Bandits” that explains the incident in details. Read it on Negarit after a few hours.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat SGJ,
            Thanks Memhir, I need to get the book too right away. I have been procrastinating about this for far too long.

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Fanti,
            “.. I was hopping to have a lot more of that in the future”. Unless you put a condition of we have to have identical views on everything to have conversation, I see no problem on the future of “wonderful” conversation. To be honest with you, I appreciate your efforts and intentions to build good relationship and your good intentions. However, I do not miss that that comes with cost on your part. The crimes committed by Ethiopian rulers were indiscriminate. I just do not buy the idea that Eritreans sustained more damage than Ethiopians (consider the massacre of Hawzen, and the cities and towns that were bombed, and the level to which the people were reduced). In fact, I believe Eritreans were privileged citizens. I also do not buy this view of our rulers committing this and that crimes on Eritreans, they
            were rulers of all of us and they committed crimes on all of us. There
            is no ours and theirs there. So really, I do not buy into this views nor do I want to engage in the type of tail-wagging that you seem to do.

            I have yet to to see what wrong I have said other than the tangential and subjective issue of tone (attitude) that many seem to dwell on. I would like to mention that I am thinking to take care of my tone and use of words in the interest of many who have raised these issues. That said, my stand will remain so, until I am convinced by additional information, evidence and understanding to change and update. It is also important to note that the issue that I am fighting against is on the mentality level, not the misfortune (colonialism) that befell Eritreans. However, it is out-of-this-world , for me, to see people taking pride of this experience and exhibit this Italian-installed fascist and civilizing attitude towards Ethiopians.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • selam

            Dear Ghbere
            Ok lets assume that the ethiopian leaders committed crime over Eritreans and Ethiopians.
            For a fact it deeply pains me if I rewinde the picture of hawuzen bombing and killing . It is not that we Eritreans forget tegaru have also died , we know that . But the killing of eritreans over and over is deeply to our house in that we have the right to write and also tell our story to a wise ethiopian man , who is not from abaintigrai and also Ghebreu asrat school. You said it all and we have listend to you in great respect. What do you want after that. You are not debating over history , you are not debating over ideas either. So my question isw not to respect your presence here , it is just not in the right place for you to be. We have died bleeded and so many , we are not asking you to feel bad about us , we are saying leave us alone. This Eritrean issue none of your business, we will have all the buildin, roads and other usefull things. Why will we destroy all the usefull things while you are building all things with USAID and germany money ? Please tell us one thing. Here we are not bragging due to our knowledge of pizza, cappuccino and other things we inherited from Italians. We are proud of it , I am not habesha and I could care less about habesha, what I care about is only Eritreawith all the beautiful things it has minus your uncle IA . Eritrea is here to stay and no one will dare to question the existence be it from Tigrai , be it from arabs . What I am concerned is your uncle IA is destroying us and that is none of your business. Now do I question how you eat TIHLO and how you collect Kuneeti no , that is your culture and I have no comments on to make. We will make our menu from italian recipe and you do your own.Nothing is bad as far as it is delicious.

            By the way you want the habesha thing above Eritrea but Ethiopia above habesha , ok do it in Tigrai not in our home.such political hegemony is history . Accept it mr wedi Ghebru asrat.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sir,
            you will never feel unless you put yourself in an Eritrean place. you will never reconcile it watching from one side. you don’t know how much Eritrean war planes have been destroying. visit Eritrea and see how many tanks are destroyed during Mengstu era. ask an Eritrean how many of beloved once he has lost in this long national struggle years. the past is very very bad to remember. you are trying to give Hawzen as an example. that is Ethiopian land. But ONA is an Eritrean village. do you ever heard about that village?

            That is to say, we have suffered a lot and yes we should not blame Ethiopian people. the same feeling should be from Ethiopian to ward Eritreans as we all know how things were going. let’s cultivate love. let us not allow any revenge to repeat war in our coming generation. after all, who in the world is closest for an Ethiopian than Eritrean? we are two nations but one people. we should feel shame of the past and have civilized talks, thank you.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Gebrekirstos
            I’m kind of lost here. Are you gentlemen discussing tone or content? Symptoms or couse? Help me here , somebody. Thanks

          • Gebrekirstos

            Hi Abi,

            Well, as you can see from all reactions to my posts, and despite my effort not to engage in tit-for-tat, people do not seem to be interested in content, but the tone. It does not seem to occur to many people that other people can have different style of writing, level of assertiveness and sense of respect. It is truly unfortunate that almost all comments are about finding faults, analysing my personality, offfering unsolicited advice and appeals to emotions. That path is really a slippery slope that I stay clear of. Instead, I try to focus on finding ideas in posts, and when there is not one, I just move on. It was a bit naive of me to expect a debate, an exchange of ideas. Reality was about analysing intentions, tones, attitudes, accusations, diversions and all sorts of things that have no value, gossip-level-and style.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • tes

            Dear Gebrekirstos,

            Are you saying, “… people do not seem to be interested in content, but the tone.”?

            Ok, this is your content then:

            1. It is astounding to see you paining (by going back centuries in time) to debunk the Habesha identity,

            2. Yet you have the gall to promote an identity called Etritreanism, which is just a baby identity

            3. One that is born out of colonialism and slavery

            4. A badge of shame, to be frank.

            5. Absurd, huh?

            6. Don’t you think it is easier to throw this imposed and deformed identity (Eritreanism) rather than Habesha, which is established and deep-rooted?

            7. The Habesha identity is stronger because it is fluid and inclusive, encompassing languages and ethnicities.

            8. I tell you, it is much easier to throw Eritreanism to the Mediterranean Sea, close to its origin and free its captives than debunking Habesha.

            Just one man within one paragraph writing such an aweful and fascistic and racistic words.

            I have read so many many derogatory words and sentences but not as such a full paragraph during my whole stay here at awate.com.

            Well Gebrekristos, we will distillate your backward mentality just be around.

            tes

            tes

          • Ted

            DEAR GK, let me remind you what got us in this stage.

            1)You refer” Eritreanism” as colonial borrowed thinking need to be disposed,

            A)Most African countries are born after colonialism and We furbished Eritreanism as fits us within our borders and none of your business what we think of ourselves as Eritrean.

            2) You Eritreans are Habesha.
            A) Habesh is a term some like some don’t. It has no meaning or value. If you call yourself Habesh, You do not get more value for your identity.

            Enlighten us on this without psychoanalyzing our heads.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear GK
            1. Have you lived in Eritrea in the 60s and 70s?
            2. What’s your knowledge level in relation to Eritrean’s situation under Ethiopian rulers? What would be your threshold if Eritreans start telling you what they went through?
            Dear GK, here we are not talking about the Ethiopian people. We are talking about Ethiopian regimes that were not of good even to their own people. Why do you think wayane I and II were launched? Now consider the situation of Eritrea where the whole people were declared and viewed as rebellious. I’m busy, but I’m ready to engage you for the sake of exchanging information.
            Regards.

          • tes

            Dear Gebrekirtos,

            Why don’t you tell us then from the very beginning you are here to tell us your grievances.

            I think you forgot, awate.com is an Eritrean. No one will deny what happened to Ethiopians as the fact on the ground but to come here and cry is simply childish and immature.

            If you are tyring to counter balance, well, you have landed here by mistake.

            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Dearest Gebrekirstos,

            Regarding my “…I was hopping in the future…” statement you are correct, and I stand corrected. From the tone of your other posts I mistakenly thought you were saying goodbye. Although
            two other great awatistas beat you to it before, you are also correct about my “tail-wagging” personality. In fact, if I lose my fanti ghana account in the future, I may just change my nick to tailwagger and get it done with, so, no ill feeling there. Now, I am glad to know you are
            staying. I am learning that this is not your first time at awate.com, but it is first for me, so welcome. If you felt ganged up on yesterday, I am sorry about that too. Most of all, thank you for recognizing what I try to do here.

            Having said that let me get your attention to the following line. “The crimes committed by Ethiopian rulers were indiscriminate. I just do not buy the idea that Eritreans sustained more damage than Ethiopians…” There is no better example than this to show why we often fail to listen to Eritreans. What our governments do to us, to their citizens, should have no justification to what they do to others. Your statement would be perfectly valid if we were talking about one of our own provinces, but Eritrea, at least to most Eritreans, is not part of Ethiopia. They don’t have the luxury of thinking that “Derg is bad everywhere so what.” It is an invading army from a colonizing nation forcefully
            occupying their land, and killing their children.

            When fascist Italy invaded our country and poison gassed our people, did we ever pause to
            think that Italian government was fascist in Europe too so what? We didn’t because we don’t have to. We may eventually sympathize with Italian victims of fascism, but it means nothing to us at that moment. This is a mistake we all do because we see Eritrea as part of Ethiopia, but think about it how it would feel if what happened in Eritrea would have to happen to us by a foreign power. I know
            this is hard to visualize for those of us who grew up thinking Eritrea is Ethiopia, but as my brother, my fellow citizen, and as rational human being I appeal to you Gebrekirstos, to listen to what the sane Eritreans have to say regarding our relationship and history. You wouldn’t lose anything by listening, but you will come out better informed; minimum. By all means, be firm, stand your ground, argue your case as you see it I only ask for you to try to be a little more than you are and give yourself a chance to understand what the “Eritrean mindset” really is from the Eritrean him/herself.

            “I have yet to see what’s wrong I have said…” fair enough. I guess we all are just being too sensitive because we have been hammered by people devoid of sensitivity so many times that we are confusing the stick with the snake.

            Again, welcome!

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Fanti,
            I do not share your Ex post facto criminalization of Ethiopia. There was no legally recognized country called Eritrea before 1991 and thus it makes no sense to talk about Ethiopia committing crimes on Eritrea. The crimes committed against them are in no way different from the crimes committed on other Ethiopian people. In fact, if anything Eritreans were in the administrative structure much more than people of other Ethiopian provinces. They are part and parcel of the crimes committed on all of us. Your Ethiopian-Eritrean and Italian-Ethiopian analogy is wrong (apples and oranges).

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gebrekirstos,

            Isn’t the current what we call Ethiopia is the making of emperor Tedros that also includes the expansion of emperor Minelik to the South by “coercion and forced labor” of the Oromos and Somali people of Harar and Bale and the rest? What is this chest beating to undermine the Eritrean nationalism that was evolved during the partition of African countries by the colonizers and you call it slavery. Was Ethiopia under slavery during the five years of Italian rule? I will advice you don’t bring an argument that hit you back in the same fashion without mercy. If you have anything in your store about building good relationship of the two brotherly people, here and say something about it. If not your input isn’t healthy and must look an exit from the debate to give room to the people like Horizon, Abi, and kim who are on the project of building peace on the Ethiopian side.

            regards,

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Amanuel,
            Thank you for the advice, bu I am not afraid of “hit back” (bring it if you can); and I do not agree on your assumptions of Ethiopia (to me, there is nothing to compare and contrast between Ethiopia and Eritrea regarding their coming into being and their naming). And I am sorry to tell you this, but I do not come to this forum to build good relationship between the two peoples; not because I do not want so, but because I have changed my opinion into believing that it is impossible and not in our best interest given the Eritrean mindset.

            This opinion is formed based on our past mistakes. In the past, Ethiopians told Eritreans: you are our brothers only to hear back “No, you are our enemies; you are backward, we are civilized; no we are exceptional, our language has bella, etc.” We have learned the hard way that you can not give love and expect love from Eritreans. The only way to restore normalcy is to keep Eritrea where it is until the fog ( Italian building, factories, roads, you know the things that make Eritreans civilized?) is no more of relevance. Only then may Eritrean start to see that there is more to society and identity than superficial colonial heritage and a false sense of civilization. I am of the opinion that Ethiopia should not resume relationship with Eritrea until Eritrean elites and cohorts have gotten off their high horse, their misguided and misplaced soup of arrogance–ignorance-importance-exceptionalism (it is going well, by the way. YG and many others are examples, remember they were not like that before). You know, the choice of the lesser evil? You choose that when you have no choices left.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Gebrekirstos,

            If you are not here to heal the wounds, this is not the place to you for engagement. Don’t come as spoiler in this website please, if you are still with your grudges. Eritrea will stand on its feet whether we have good relationship with Ethiopia or not. You shouldn’t come here to debate on Eritrean issue, unless something related to Ethio-Erirean relationship. You have many issues to debate with your fellow Ethiopians on the Ethiopian issues. You might be productive there, though you don’t look a contributing personality.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Gebrekirstos

            Dear Amanuel,
            Please do not be so generous with advice. I did not come to debate Eritrean issue; I came here because of the Habesha identity debate (see my first comment to Gheteb). Also, there is nothing that can prevent me from discussing Eritrean issues. Of course, you can ban me from this forum if you want and have the power. Ideas have transcendental importance (not bound to geographical boundaries) and I like to talk about ideas. It is also my belief that before any talk of rapport between Ethiopia and Eritrea, we need to talk about the hard issues and facts and, our views regarding each other. I do not believe good relationship will come by glossing over the hard issues and facts.

            Cheers,
            Gebrekirstos

          • Haile WM

            dear ghebrekristos,

            besides the gross generalizations on the “Eritrean mindset” I would like to ask you how is the love given when children were mass killed ? when mother were ripped ? when villages were torched and bombed ?

            I think you are giving yourself a little much of importance when you try to define what is the root cause of Eritrean identity and mindset. I would advise you to worry much more of your identity and how fictitious your “raison d’etre” is . Your motive to come here and preach about the love “Ethiopia” gave to “Eritrea” ignoring facts and history is glaring even to you let alone those very Eritreans you are insulting.

            if you go back to history, never the Eritreans felt they were more civilized more sophisticated than the ethiopians, many eritreans, as a matter of facts, choose to be united with ethiopia.
            it was the blind hate of successive Ethiopian regimes that turned the events to what we all know. Event the outspoken unionists, like the late Tedla Bairu, changed their stance towards Ethiopia later when they effectively saw the “love” from ethiopia.
            your case is that of the tigrigna saying “Chugraf’si baEla harima baEla tibeki”

          • Nitricc

            Hi Gebre; do you see why some Eritreans say you suffer from inferior complexity. It is not the Eritreans who need to change their mentality. It is you who needs to believe that you are not less than the Eritreans.

          • Peace!

            Dear G.stos,

            Your idea is fine although I don’t agree, but your full of ego tone is overwhelming. Now, please read and reread SJ’s reply to your bogus and reckless idea.

            Regards

        • selam

          Dear Peace
          It is very hard to argue with a person who has followed Ghebru asrat and his brothers , you know a vampire , just a vampire who is nested inside a cage and have space only in the night. Their lovely weather forecast is Dark . Cheating is well fromed with such people . They are grown with lies and also want to rewrite the international rules on their own, that is the scale of stupudities , can you imagine he want to creat a feeling for the name ERITREA as a shame to be called on.He foregt his history and want others to lecture him. How low level do you think his motive and personalities are ? Guess this Ghebre .. is full of crap and want us to believe him with his own way. The 6 million Tigraens will not even know his way of explanations. Look i personally do think you need to rethink , how to help your kids.

          No one can make you feel inferior with out your consent , but i am afraid you are allowing me with out even i ask.

          • selam

            Dear peace

            the last sentence is forward to Ghebrekirsto

          • Peace!

            Dear Selam,

            I already figured out, no worries.

            Regards!

          • Hope

            Folks,
            Why are you guys paying attention to this bankrupt hassad,jealous dude?
            Isn’t that what his purpose is?
            To get some attention that he does NOT deserve!
            I am just getting amused by the Eri reaction to this lost soul.
            Let him bark until he loses his energy.

      • tes

        Dear Gebrekirstos,

        Now I see why you pop-up every now and then.

        It is time to filter everything and you are one in the process.

        happy Easter!!!

        tes

      • Mizaan1

        Gebre, Eritreanism is not an identity in the sense of ethnicity. It’s a nationality encompassing many ethnic groups just as in Ethiopia. I know I will be chewed here by the chauvinists but I agree with some things you said specially if your tone was a little cordial. T. Kifle’s tone is the gold standard for everybody here.

        Anyway, Eritreanism was initiated by Italian colonialism but it was set on an irreversible course beginning in the 1950s. It caught fire in the 1960s. So you are right, if there was no Italian colonialism, odds are that we would be under Abyssinian/Ethiopian rule. I am proud to tell you that I am habesha first before I am Eritrean hence habesha Eritrean and not Eritrean habesha.

        • selam

          Dear mizaan

          we are reading , and you are peeling your ugly view in which we know. Go fetch water to your masters. Eritrea is not just due to italian caming to the shore , Eritrea is just a mixture of so many identities which define the presence of all eritreans . How about the nay sirnai under dergi , they look similar to you. You know eritreans forgiveness will not be at all time high. May be your ,.. have to say something about dergi salary and then about the crime committed.

          • Mizaan1

            Selam, my nationality is not who I am. My identity is who I am. Men created Eritrea but men didn’t create habesha. They named it habesha but they didn’t create it as they did Eritrea, Somalia, Libya, etc by drawing the borders using treaties or whatever means. You can force someone to adopt some citizenship by collecting them within a borderline or kicking them out from there but you cannot tell them you are not habesha or kukuyu or Agew or Somali etc.

          • YAY

            Dear Mizaan1: Who created Habesha?

            You say, “… my nationality is not who I am. My identity is who I am. Men created Eritrea but men didn’t create habesha. They named it habesha but they didn’t create it as they did Eritrea….” Nationality could be part of one’s identity. Your name—real or assumed (created by humans–i.e. by others or you) is part of your identity. What is the “who I am” in your assertion of “My identity is who I am.” Eritrea is the people , as individuals and/or the people organized as a government of a nation and/or the land, where the people and the government reside.

            Who named “it” (whatever you mean by “it”) Habesha (people, territory, institutions, etc.)? When you say “Men”, I assumed you mean human beings. If you claim that “men didn’t create habesha”, who created Habesha, then? Non-humans? what evidence do you have? Like Habesha, you seem to admit that Eritrea was named by humans. What is obvious is that if we consider Habesha as human beings, they are created by the nature-human interactive processes of reproduction of human beings, similar to that involving Eritreans.

            Correct me if I am mistaken, but “Habesha” must have been created in similar ways as Eritrea did.You or other humans didn’t create Eritrea, the natural land, on which the people live, reproduce, and have established a nation. Humans have a role in creating a nation in Eritrea (united organization, institutions, division of labor, defined territory, etc.) on nature-bestowed land. Your claim that ” Men created Eritrea but men didn’t create habesha.” needs further explanation. What is Habesha to you? Please give us some definition of what or who Habesha is/are? Then, we will see the similarities and differences. And please don’t forget to state why you believe your response is veritably true.

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            The Dutch say, “God created Dutch people and the Dutch people created Netherlands/Holand.” When they say this, they have a good reason to say so.

            Holand, which implies Hollow Land, has a low-lying geography. Most of its land is below sea level and to protect it from flooding, they were forced to construct a sand dune along the sea cost. Doing these, they started to live safely even when they are below sea level. To their greatness, they proudly say Dutch people created Holland.

            If you come to Eritrea, the case is different. The people were there from the very beginning. Even we have fossil fuels dating some millions of years back. It is a land inhabited by people with sustainable economic resources.

            Like all over the world, they were in constant war with their neighbours. The people of toda’s Eritrea had all kinds of history untill the Italians came and conquired the land by force. There was ancient names, covering larger or smaller area.

            As naming was fashionable during the colonization period, the Italians refered old Greek history books to name it Eritrea. It is just a name. They delineated the boundary and gave it a name. They didn’t ask us as they didn’t name it for us but for their own. Since then, the land started to be called Eritrea and today we have people called Eritreans.

            How can you then say”Men created Eritrea”. Creation is something that doesn’t exist. If we count on dates, then, The Greeks were the creators of modern Eritrea and and its history as a nation will be of more 2000 years.

            I am contemplating on your words because I am able to figure your intention.

            tes

      • YAY

        Dear Gebrekirstos : Who are Habesha, what is Habesha identity?

        You seem to claim to know about Habesha. Forget about Eritreanism for now. Would you please teach us who, according to your knowledge, are Habesha, and what is Habesha identity? Please do not answer these questions by saying that ‘my parents and grandparents told me we are Habesha, so we are Habesha’. I want you to explain beyond that. How do you know what you learned about Habesha is true? How do you know in historical or current reality who the Habesha are and what Habesha identity is? How do you know what you were told about Habesha, Habesha identity, or Habeshatism is actually true? Waiting to hear from you, or anyone else.

    • Mizaan1

      Gheteb, you may know a lot of history but given your extreme bias, it’s awfully difficult to believe any history you narrate here.

      • Rahwa T

        Dear Mizzan,

        Obviously, although in his earlier comments he told us hates focusing on history, he has read lots of history books. But like few others here, he reads or gives much time to books that narrates on falsify the history of the Abyssinians. I thought has read the Quran, I am wondering how reconcile this following statement “…As I have alluded to in the first post, it was Arab writers who used the term Habesha to describe the Horn of Africa and its people. This was around 870 CE” to what Saleh JG argue earlier regarding the first Hijra and what the Prophet said on the Habesha. I am specifically asking if the time matches with that of the first Hijra. There are many more points that seemed biased.

        • Dayphi

          Sallam Rahwa
          the two major waves of migration to the blessed land of Habasha took place around the 5th. and 6th. Year of the prophet’s mission . It corresponds between 613 and 615 C.E. During that time, there were more muslims on the land of Habasha than ALL other places combined, including Mecca itself.

          • Amde

            Selam Dayphi,

            I would like to know more about this – I have heard this mentioned before but have not seen much more expounded on it. I was born and raised an Orthodox Christian, although truth be told I don’t have to go back too many generations before a Muslim (Arabic) name or two start to show up. Anyway, Ethiopian Orthodox christianity has some claim of legitimacy as being an organic outgrowth of a pre-Christian possibly highly Hebraic religion and culture. I am interested to know about the Habesha form of Islam, if in fact there is such a thing (Abesha Islam) and if it too can be traced to have an organic connection to a uniquely pre-Islamic Abesha culture and religious practice. Just personal curiosity.

            Thank you

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Amde,

            I think I can solve your riddle: what do you think the ancesters of the region were pre-Chriatianity or pre-Islam? Basically they are the same stock, intermarried and assimilated to other races or other races assimiliated in the region–the backgrowun is the same for everyone. When Christianity was introduced, some became accepted it remained as they were. When Islam was introduced, some accepted it, some more converted, others remained the same. In the last 2000 years, a lot of religious conversion and reconversion happened in the region. As late as 150 years ago, Yohannes converted many Muslims into Christianity, some reconverted other remained as they were. In the history of our region, conversions has remained almost fluid until the turn of the last century. However, when people convert they do notlose their racial identity, unless they adopt other identity or are assimilated over time. For example, the Beni Amer tribes (note plural) is one of the oldest confederation in our region. They had a confederate system before the world invented confederation. They are all called Beni Amer and you can hardly find a difference among the people though they have varying ancestral history which can be considered clans (fekhs) as it is called in Arabic. What do you think my ancestors were before Islam? I would rather claim a Christian ancestry than a pagan one And before Christianity? I would rather claim a Jewish ancestry to pagan 🙂

            Kim, there is no way one can be so sure about the faith of his seventh and eight grandfather, let alone a over many centuries, and over a dozen generations earlier. People just take what they have now, and try to extend it to the era of the prophets. Practically though, even the kings who claimed Solomonic ancestry cannot prove it, that is why they depend on legends 🙂

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Saleh

            Thank you that was very useful. That is exactly what I think as well. From my point of view conversions still occur, so I am interested why you would say “In the history of our region, conversions has remained almost fluid until the turn of the last century.” Is that something supportable by actual evidence (namely that the rate of conversion has slowed or significantly changed)?

            You laid out a clear scheme of chronologically “accepted/dominant” religion of Muslim after Christianity after Judaism. That happens to be my sense as well, with the caveats that these are not universal, and there would be significant overlaps, and gaps etc. My question was somewhat about what makes Abesha Islam different? Is there such a thing? For example – I consider some things like the Tabot, dietary restrictions etc in the Tewahdo faith as being carryovers from the version of Judaism that was well practiced and accepted in pre-Christian times. Are there such artifacts in the Muslim faith?

            The other thing (which will make Fanti happy) is whether the Oromo Waqefecha religion is a remnant of the pre-christian/pre-Judaic Abesha religion. I don’t believe we did not have a spiritual life prior to Judaism or Christianity or Islam. They obviously offered something better than what existed before, and that was why they were adopted. I know of no references to forceful early imposition of either Judaism or Christianity or Islam. Later on – by internal political actors – yes of course. But when these religions first came they were not violently imposed. (as far as I know)

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Amde,

            Conversion has significantly slowed down (except for Western missionaries–and you know what they use to convert people), because it is not sanctioned by the powerful of the day any more. It used to be ruling class sanctioned for centuries.Yohannes is known for his conversion of Muslims by force, but he also converted many Orthodox Christians to his creed, Kara, etc.

            Muslims in our region were predominantly Sufis, but since the last three or four decades it has come under attack by the now powerful Selefi sect. The Sufis have shrines, rituals, etc but as religious knowledge expands, some of the Sufi traditions are shunned in Islam, for example praying at a “sanit’s” shrine and appealing to the person in the tomb in such a way that seems the appeal is for God. But when it comes to culture, poetry, festivals and entertainment, the Sufi persuasion is my choice. I grew up in a pious Sufi environment except there were some excesses that are now shunned by almost every Muslim. Like some Ethiopian Muslims considering a chat party an extension of prayer 🙂

            But there are subtle differences among Muslims and they are difficult to see even for a Muslim–differences of jurisprudence depending which scholar a certain group of Muslims follow.They are mainly four: Shafie’e, Hanbali, Maliki, and Hanafi schools of thought.Some are very strict of some issues others are lenient. For example, the Selefi revere Ibn-Hambel, but the Ahbash don’t–that is the one of the causes in the bottom of the Muslim grievances in Ethiopia. Okay, I will stop here because if I continue I will sound like a I am trying to convert you 🙂 Also note that my knowledge on such issues is limited, sort of self taught and acquired knowledge, kind of rudimentary.

            . They are seen in the way

          • Amde

            Hi Saleh,

            Haha … No I don’t think you can convert me. I think people should really explore their traditions well first and know why they reject it before they embrace another one. I am a bad Tewahdo Christian to be honest – better to say I am a secularist. If I am going to be religious all of a sudden for sure it will start with me really embracing and exploring the faith of my parents and grand-parents first. I know of a family where the father came from a long line of Tewahdo clergy, and he converted to Jehovah’s Witnesses. He was shunned by a lot of his relatives, and his children grew up not knowing many of their kin.

            You know what you are saying about Sufi traditions is interesting. The appealing to Saints is a fine Tewahdo tradition (also of Catholics) of asking for the help and intercession of those we believe to be in a better spiritual place. That may explain the fluidity of conversions – perhaps for many, the religion is a change in outward form, and the inner spiritual practices and devotions are transferrable.

            Interesting – thank you

            Amde

          • Dayphi

            Gashe Amde and Ustath Saleh.
            i was following your coversations with great delight. Thanks ys Ustath for rescuing me.You were called ustath for obvious reason. Jazakallah.
            Amde; I dont think it took over 300 years for Jesus Christ ( Peace be upon the Mesfin of Selam) to reach The Land of Habesha thru the castaway boat of Freminatus. Ab selama kesate Birhan or anyone else. I believe if it hasnt teached ﺍﻋﻤﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﺮﺳﻞ 8:27Arabic Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-AR)

            27 فَاسْتَعَدَّ وَذَهَبَ. وَكانَ هُناكَ رَجُلٌ حَبَشِيٌّ هُوَ أحَدُ الخِصْيانِ [a]المَسؤُولِينَ لَدَى المَلِكَةِ كَنداكَةَ مَلِكَةِ الحَبَشَةِ. كانَ مَسؤُولاً عَنْ خَزنَتِها كُلِّها، وَقَدْ ذَهَبَ إلَى القُدسِ لِيَعبُدَ اللهَ

            thiopia furing Jesus Christ time, it MUST have occured soon after his departure from Palestine by his desciples. A quick reading of Gibre Hawaryat 8:27 supports my theory.

          • Dayphi

            That means, Blessed Land of Habasha was THE FERTILE ground gor teachings of Yesus and Muhammad ( peace be upon them both) to flourish. As for Islam on Habasha, a quick read of Durah Ma’ida ( the table spread ) i.e. Chapter 5, verses 82 thru 85 describes how Christians of Habasha were very instrumental in hosting and spreading of Islam way before the prophet’s tribe of Quraish accepted the new faith. Dont forget Quraish were polytheists worshipping over 300 idols at that time, unlike Ethiopians who follow the monotheism, at least in the Negus palace and official kingdom’s religion.

          • Dayphi

            Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Did the Arabic Version of Acts 8:27 say RAJULUN HABASHIYYUN. A Habasha Man????
            I rest my case

          • Amde

            Hi Dayphi

            I have to say your enthusiasm is infectious lol. Thank you digging these up. I believe the Frumentius story is in regards to when Christianity became the State religion, much as Rome became Christian during the time of Constantine I even though Christians had by then been quite active in the Mediterranean region for a couple of centuries. There is no reason to believe the Axum civilization was completely ignorant of this new faith, so as you say it is quite likely there would be many who would have already been aware or even practicing Christians. This would make it a religion that went from the people to the palace.

            What is interesting at this point is the claim of Habesha muslims that the very first group that came to Axum for protection was able to convert some of the highest lords of the land to their new faith. This would almost make it a religion from the palace to the people.

            Thank you
            Amde

          • Dayphi

            You’re welcome, Gashe Amde. Indiet ameshu.
            Exactly, that is my point; If i have to agree with Gheteb, it ison Kebra Negast authenticity. It needs a secondlook by historians and need yo be discerned and purified from things historically wrong. ( I havent read it though ). For that the claim of Ethiopian muslims that habesha hierarchy of the migration era accepting islam, individually, is a fact accepted by all muslims. There are verses in the Holy Quran that indicate the priests and monks were delighted , in fact shed tears when hearing the companions of The Prophet ( S.A.W.) read beautiful verses from the Quran describing the miracles of Maryam, Jesus, and his desciples. Also the fact that prophet Muhammad ( S.A.W.) and his companions performed special prayer of the dead, for the sould of the Negus of Habesha in absentia,a prayer that is usually reserved to deceased muslims only. Most arab and muslim historians mention theincident. Yet, this is not a core belief of Islam. If you have scholarly reason to reject that part of history, it is fine. It is not a cardinal sin or a maker/ breaker of history of Islam in Habesha Land.
            As for christianity in Ethiopia, i totally agree with you, specially that Habesha Kingdom was a superpower at that time beside Greco/ Rome and Persian Empires, and its borders were much gurther than what is now with Sudan, almost near Egypt.

          • Dayphi

            Farther than the present borders of ethio/sudan deep north upto egyptian borders and Habetian Naval Forces and trading ships roving north and south allover Erythrean Sea ports. Plus acts 8:27 an subsiquent verses are evidences that Ethiopian of Jesus era were believers of Elohim and used to offer pilgrims to the Holyland in Jerusalem. If they were pagans they dont need to travel to that particular holy land af wouldnt bother themsrlves in reading prophecies of the Old Testament. One thing bothers me though. How did they know he was neutered, and what is the significant of telling that again and again, dpecially ths man was the Chief Treasurer of the whole Kingdom.. Almost the right hand of Queen Candace, the Abyssinian queen at the time. Historically, eunuches were guards and servants in the harem section of palaces, specially when the king and hid generals are on expedition leaving their wives behind. Any answer to that will help me a lot. ( though i have my theories, it could be seen as sinister by some, sp i will keep it to myself for now ).

          • teweldino

            Hi Amde,

            I don’t think Judaism was the mainstream religion in our region. If you speak Tigrigna, you must have heard of Abba Jigo ኣባ ጅጎ. As kids we used to look up to the sky in winter and sing:

            ኣባ ጂጎ፤

            በላዒ ጎጎ፤

            ማይካ ኣውቅዓዮ።

            (Aba Jigo, gogo bread eater (gogo is a thick bread made of barly), send rain quick.). I never new who this Abba Jigo was until recently. Traditionally, people use the word as alternative to ኣምላኽ / God. But I never heard the clergy use it and the tigrigna bible used the word እግዚኣብሄር throughout, as the translators knew what Abba Jigo means and decided not to use it in the bible.

            Recently, I was reading some of Amanuel Sahle’s articles on his website and came across the following interesting article:

            http://hanti-alem.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=76

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            Abba- Jigo, The Rain Maker

            By Amanuel Sahle

            About 7,000 years ago, the Sumerians (early inhabitants of Mesopotamia, today’s Iraq) worshipped gods who lived and died just like ordinary humans.

            The gods of ancient people did not necessarily live in the sky and were not without human frailty and imperfections. They had wives and coveted the property of others. Most were tribal gods, wooden or bronze representations of power, corruption and depravity.

            “There is a lot in common between our pre-Christian religious rites and those practiced by ancient Sumerians,” explains Dr. Abba Issak Gebreyesus (the late Eritrean firebrand Catholic priest and dedicated scholar who has several publications to his credit) during our discussions related to Abba Jigo almost ten year s ago.

            “What is the origin of this Abba Jigo whom we invoked to send rain when we were kids?” I asked him.

            “I have all my life tried to find a plausible explanation for his existence, in vain,” he said.

            When we were small kids, I remember doing the Dervish whirling and invoking Abba Jigo to let it rain.

            It went more or less like this:

            “Abba Jigo sender (or eater?) of gogo (stone hard bread made of barley), please let it rain.”

            As we intoned our prayers and invocation, he, more often than not, heard us and blessed us with a shower.

            Abba Jigo seems to be an Eritrean pre-Christian tribal god who would later be replaced by Egziabiher (the Lord of the Land). He was probably a rain god, and considering the importance given to rain in our country, he was most certainly a supreme deity. This is simply a speculation.

            “Pagan vestiges are everywhere for everyone with keen observation to see” says Dr. Abba Isaak. When Christianity was brought to this country, the people had already adapted Judaism to their indigenous beliefs and they did the same with the new Faith which was more or less imposed from above. Old habits die hard.

            According to the scholar, even the legend of St. Giorgis slaying a dragon had its origin in Sumeria and it reached us through the early Christians who got it from the Romans who again borrowed it from the Greeks.

            Furthermore, the killing of goats or sheep during holidays, the throwing out of titiko (boiled cereals and legumes) during certain feasts of saints, the possession of two names among people who follow Orthodox Church (one traditional and the other Christian name) attests to the pre-Christian pagan influence.

            “Even the way our churches are built on a hill and surrounded by trees goes a long way to show the existence of either pagan or Jewish traces in our secular and spiritual culture,” he further noted. But there is nothing strange about all this. The Christmas tree and the names of days in most European countries do reflect deep pagan traces and influence.

            It was in the 1950s that Dr. Abba Isaak last saw the ‘death of god’ rite performed in Halai, Aret district, in the South zoba. I have heard of such rites somewhere else recounted by the elderly, but I can say that the story told in a vivid and graphic manner by the scholar was more learned and authoritative.

            In a place known as Biarez near Halai stands a small hidmo (mud and thatch house) where once a year on a Saturday that comes before Palm Sunday, Orthodox priests hold mass. This is quite normal. This is followed by village girls who take off their loincloths and wear their mothers more elaborate cotton attire for the occasion, and carrying food and other offering they go marching on all the way to the holy spot to perform their usual rites. This is also normal.

            However, on reaching at the spot, they chant the Egzio Meharena (Kriye Leison) in unison. It is here that, from the ritual point of view, Christianity ends and paganism begins. This is not very normal.

            The girls proceed to the Amheda meadow, kill a lizard and after wrapping it in a shroud they burry it with appropriate ceremony and put their ornaments and jewelry on top of the burial mound.

            Six girls are chosen from the crowd to play particular roles. Two are chosen to become the wives of Abba Jigo (he is already polygamous!). The rest have each the following roles to play: servant, cat, dog and leopard.

            After burying Abba Jigo (incarnated as a lizard), the girls designate a boy from among the crowd of onlookers and after giving him a loaf of bread ask him to go up the hill and announce the death of Abba Jigo to the village people by first shouting Ooooy three times in the manner of a town crier to catch the people’s attention.

            “Abba Jigo is dead!” he shouts three times.

            “What is it that we are hearing?” whisper the villagers perplexed.

            “Impossible! Unheard of!” scream the girls feigning surprise.

            It is then that the mourning begins in earnest. Wife number one screams and wails and tries to pluck her hair. Wife number two moans and sobs, the cat-woman meows, the dog-woman barks, and the leopard-woman snarls and growls.

            In the end they sit down and start to eat and drink commemorating the death of their beloved god. And all of sudden the rain comes and starts pouring down. The people in the village are worried lest a flood rushes down the valley and sweep away their children.

            Here, my analysis is that the whole ritual had something to do with the casting away of the pagan God to be replaced by the Biblical God. Good bye Moloch, good morning Elohim!

            But they are also happy that Abba Jigo kept his promise and showered his bounty on their land. What intrigued me most about the rite was however the fact that the girls chose a lizard of all the small animals in the surroundings. Could it be another reptilian syndrome that characterized most legends in the past? Starting from the Garden of Eden until St. George, people had to fight against or confront reptilians.

            This reptilian syndrome is also manifested in certain traditional health spots such as Mai Wuui (about 70km on the Asmara-Massawa road) where snakes are considered sacred and not to be molested. And in some of our oral traditions, there was a time in the southern part of this country when a certain Arewe (Snake King) ruled the land.

            I asked one elderly man if he knew something about the cult of Abba Jigo and the killing of a lizard performed by village girls.

            The man told me that in his locality the deity is not Abba Jigo but Dogu’e, and that the rite is performed on Easter to commemorate the death of the Christ.

            “But once the lizard is buried, it doesn’t rise up, and Easter commemorates not death but resurrection,” I told him.

            Furthermore, the choosing of two wives for the deity and the appearance of a dog, a cat and a leopard in the ritual scene has no connection whatsoever with the spirit of Easter.

            What could then be the reason behind such choices of time, characters and places? Dr. Abba Isaak thinks that more research should be conducted regarding this strange rite before it disappears for ever.

            It is our culture, and it has to be studied and preserved for posterity.

            END QUOTE

            Who would have thought indigenous pagan rite would be practiced in the 20th century Orthodox Christian festival?

          • Amde

            Hi Teweldino

            That was great. Unfortunately I dont speak Tigrinya, but can only recognize Amharic cognates. Anyway, Just a side comment, I believe እግዚአ ብሄር refers to the Lord of the Universe. The word ብሄር was used to represent “everything”. My source is an old Amharic Geez dictionary publishes in the 40s or 50s. Plus it makes sense theologically.

            I like how you worded the process of people adaptIng their pre-existing indigenous beliefs to the new ones. Now, I wonder if Abba Jigo has meaning in Agew or Oromo or some ancient proto-cushitic language.

            Many Thanks
            Amde

          • Dayphi

            Selam teweldino.. What an interesting Habashian folk lore!
            I’ll ask my inlaws if they can add to this mythiological deity killing/ buring ceremony thing.They know lotd of yhings of the past.
            Thanks for sharing, tewelde.

          • AOsman

            Teweldino,

            Talking about old rituals, fairy tales…culture to be preserved, read the following book (if you zoom the text are clear):

            https://archive.org/stream/publicationsofpr02littiala#page/n7/mode/2up

            Regards

            AOsman

          • teweldino

            Hi A Osman,

            Wow! Thank you very much for the link.

          • Amde

            Hi AOSman,

            Great find. Thanks

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            I was reading before a lot about religion and its history. One book that struck my mind so far is a book that talks about Ancient Egyptian gods and Bliefs.

            First of all, in Tigrigna, holiday is translated into “በዓል” which is read as Ba’al – This signifies, some important festive day in rememverance of something.

            ንኣብነት

            ርሑስ በዓል ልደት

            Then, let me come back to history of Ba’al

            In that book, I found one god called “Ba’al”. Baal was the Egyptian god of the sky, clouds, templests, thunder and war. This god was highly worshiped by those ancient Egyptians. You can read here for more: http://www.landofpyramids.org/baal.htm

            What we can learn from this is then, our ancestoral beliefs was much linked with the Egyptians.

            I tried to make some traces about the words we use today after reading that book. It was very enlightening and I got a very good grasp of belief system after reading that book.

            Amanuel Sahle has a very rich philosophical approach in our ancient belief system which I found it very similar way of analysis with the book I read before.

            My point here is then, the region we live now is very rich by itself when we come to ancient beliefs. Hope more research to be done.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Selamat Dayphi,

            I am lost. Tell me clearly if the term Habesha was first used in 613 – 615 or 870 (as stated by Gheteb).

          • Dayphi

             فقال لهم عليه الصلاة والسلام: إن بأرض الحبشة ملكاً لا يظلم أحد عنده، فالحقوا ببلاده، حتى يجعل الله لكم فرجاً ومخرجاً مما أنتم فيه، فخرجنا ـ كما تقول أم سلمة ـ فخرجنا إليها إرسالاً حتى اجتمعنا فيها فنزلنا بخير دار إلى خير جار آمنين على ديننا، ولم نخشَ من هذا الملك ظلماً))

            Keme3alki Rahwa gualey/ Haptey. Iske
            kabzi zellenayo tsebeba Goyta 3alem Rahwa yewrdelna .Ameen.
            ( Wallah i started with my selamta. For some reason it switched place when i pasted the hadeeth. I hate my fone.)
            Rahwa; the period 613-615 AD is when the prophet ( S.A.W. ) instructed his daughter, relatives and companions to flee to HABASHA LANDso he used the term there. I think that’s what Ustath Saleh Johar was referring to. BUT
            definitely Prophet Mihammad (S.A.W.) did not coin the word.It had been in use at least since 2nd or 3rd century CE. brother Gheteb is off by only 600 years, at least. The hadeeth i posted is only to support the term Habesha was in use lo g before 870 CE to indicate to the location and people of our Habesha land.
            i hope im clear this time.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Dayphi,
            Regarding the Hadeeth and the years 613-615, what evidence and proof can you provide that the “Habesha land” refers to “the location and people of our Habesha land”. Here, I am assuming that by Habesha land you are referring to Tigray/Eritrea regions and the people who lived there?
            In my first post ” You can sue me, but I am not Habesha” this what I wrote:
            ” …. let us look at the very origin of the word Habesha and go back as far as King Azena of The Axumite Kingdom the 4th century CE. Here we need to remember the Habeshat had their own kingdom along with the Kingdoms of Saba, Himyar and Hadromot.”
            As you can see in the above I have shown the existence of the word Habesha by the 4th century CE and this is from the inscriptions verified by archeologists and epigraphists. Again, go back and re-read my posts. Otherwise, you saying that ” brother Gheteb is off by only 600 years” is frankly completely wrong.
            Gheteb

          • AOsman

            Rahwa T,

            Not really, the Habesha term did not come with the advent of Islam in Arabia. The mention of Bilal AlHabeshi within the context of Islamic history is not indication of its first use, but a reference to a person from Abisinia, which was an empire that extended beyond East Africa up to Yemen.

            Regards
            AOsman

    • Deogane

      Dear Gheteb,
      I give you a parallel. The people north and north west of Germany are called Slavic people. I don’t mean eastern European countries because some of then are not Slavic. Russia, Check, Slovak, Serbia are described as Slavic people. Their language share words and grammatical structure.
      None of the people living in the mentioned countries feel ashamed of being called Slaves.
      The problem with what you mentioned Habesha identity came with the movement of creating Eritrean identity.
      it started with “we are not Ethiopian”, “We never were part of Ethiopia”, “we are not Habesha” etc.
      I am a Habesha. I am neither proud nor ashamed being Habesha. Some Arab might use it as derogatory like Saleh said associated with servants. Does that bother me?… NO.
      Within a history of a nation there are great times and bad times.
      My country had centuries of good time and decades of bad times. I think that applies to every nation with long history.
      So finally I can say, I am proud Ethiopian. I am proud of my heritage. I am Habesha. It is reference of commonality.

  • Mizaan1

    Dear all. I have no intention of preaching my religion or practices here but I just wanted to share one thought.

    Yesterday (Friday) was Arbi Siklet. I was fasting and my poor flesh was tortured to no end. It’s been decades for me since I have had something to eat at any time within an arm’s reach. But Friday was a powerful reminder to me that there are people around the world who have no choice but to go hungry for days or even weeks. As it pertains to us, we have thousands of Eritreans detained by PFDJ and languishing in hunger and exposed to the elements, heat and cold. We also have Eritreans going hungry in their homes, villages, and towns. The all too great MDG even emphasizes hunger is a big problem in Eritrea.

    I am writing this as a plea for all of us to remember our fellow Eritreans, Ethiopians, all other Africans, and all human beings who are suffering at the hands of hunger while some of us have never experienced even the minutest feeling of being hungry.

    • Saleh Johar

      Mizaan1,

      Dear, you are not preaching religion, but piety and care for others. You shouldn’t shy away from it. Don’t be intimidated by the atheist extremists 🙂

      • Mizaan1

        Dear SJ. I thank you kindly!

      • Nitricc

        Hi SJ hahaha you are trouble maker lol. When the so called religious call it “tsome” we call it fat and weight people going for dite. Lol
        The truth is people are dieing not because of lack of food but becosue cheap and bad food. If you see the chart from 1950 to 2010. The food price went down while the health care cost went over the roof. You, see when I wanted parts of Gojam; there is a reason for it. So when some one saying people are dieing becosue of lack of food; it is not true; people are dieing becosue of cheap and bad food. What you eat is what you are. SJ please don’t interapt me I am composing response for my good man Mahmuday. He is asking questions with the tooth lol

        • Saleh Johar

          Nitricc,

          Remember, you need tooth to chew food. Whatever answer you give to Mahmuday, he cannot chew it, unless you send me sebqo. You said he is toothless 🙂

          Wooo Nitricc, you knocked down the teeth of the entire members of the forum, mercilessly. Stop it before people think you are violent.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saleh,
            I was the first to be called toothless by Nitricc, no one was there to defend and help me . he won the argument, poor me since then I continue to be toothless (but serous the day he call me toothless I extract one. Lol) that was the first tooth to go from me. Lol, My freind send me a massage when he heard that I have lost one tooth “I have seen your argument in awate with Nitricc, don’t do that next time” but then Nitricc stop calling me toothless – I don’t know how. I hope those whom were called as toothless by Nitircc didn’t lose their tooths in real world like me. if not, Semere must have already lost all.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear nitrikay
          With all due respect, you are responding from your experience, and I don’t hold it against you. However, the fact is, dear nitrikay, hunger is unfortunately a reality in most parts of the world. Our region is one of the most affected regions of the world. As we exchange this thread, there thousands of families who have no idea where they will get their next meal. In Eritrea and Ethiopian (you can verify this with your family elders) one non nutritious meal a day is still common. I have the same reaction from my kids when i each them the respect of food. They think that abundance is the norm. I usually tell them that there are billions of kids who would be happy to eat the food my kids want to skip or get picky on.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,
            I love this “I usually tell them that there are billions of kids who would be happy to eat the food my kids want to skip or get picky on.” don’t ever stop telling them this. and some time show them that they should eat what is ready now by hidding their favorate food. sometime say no and teach them practically. that is nice. I have said the same what you said to your kids.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello KS
            long time no see, what’s up man.
            I think this is common in immigrant families. The parents happen to be people who have memories of what wars, hunger, repression mean. They still live with the scars. The kids have little opportunity of feeling why their parents made the choice to dislocate thousands of miles away from their ancestral land and culture; they be able to learn the causes but they could not have the real feel.
            When you teach them about hunger and poverty, they relate concepts to hunger and poverty in their localities. And you know that’s a joke. How do you get them to feel the real hunger. Fortunately, for those families who fast, the kids could have a test of that, but again that’s also biased because they will eat well before beginning and they will end it with a feast on a bounty of foods. But the hunger I knew won’t ever be the same hunger my kids will experience. Here, when they speak of hunger they are usually speaking of the unavailability of quality food, but in those hunger-stricken countries, hunger means hunger, no food. Did Nitrickay get my reply regarding this? It was sometime this week.

          • “Here, when they speak of hunger they are usually speaking of the unavailability of quality food, but in those hunger-stricken countries, hunger means hunger, no food.”

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,
            I remember, during my childhood years, in my village, no child (even adults) ever suffered from one particular ailment, that was abdominal discomfort (indigestion or bloating), especially due to overeating. Never; we were so lucky, at least in this. Fortunately, even though we had food shortages, but I do not remember we ever had outright famine, when people had nothing at all to eat. Nevertheless, we usually never had enough food in our stomach, unless there was some sort of celebration, when a year’s economy would put some more food on the table. Most of the time, it was about quantity and not quality. Even today, I lament the few centimeters in my height and the few points in my IQ that I have lost, because of insufficient nutritious food I did not have as a child as I was growing up. This was (is) more or less the story of the big majority of Ethiopian children.

            I would become angry whenever I saw my wife begging our children to eat. I would tell her that I was hungry most of the time when I was a child. Please, leave them to feel hunger. She had always the right answer; “yours were different times; this is a different reality”. I feel defeated and I say nothing more.

            As I watch different videos about Ethiopian children in the diaspora, I say to myself, OMG, they are so beautiful, they are shining. At the same time videos that come from home, show us stunted children wearing dirty clothes with so many holes in them. That is indeed
            a crash-landing, the painful reality, that jolts everybody out of their dream.

            Many are complacent of their blurred vision (or their own virtual reality) of the truth about life back home, and their yardstick is their own way of life and the life of their families who live in relative abundance. That is why some of us in the diaspora are so callous, and are devoid of empathy to those whom we have left behind. We continue to demand from them for more sacrifices, from people who have already sacrificed everything they have in this world. It is easy to demand for more, because we are not required to contribute anything than our words. Even then, it would have been something if it were words of comfort, empathy, compassion and of vision for a better future.
            Regards.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            Very true. This is why I prefer corn than teff. For the children to have plenty to eat . We can produce more corn and use it in different ways.
            I grew up in relative luxury in Addis . I lived in a nice neighborhood ( Bole) in a nice villa etc etc
            Of all the things what I remember the most is those children who eat from the trash can . No family, no food no shelter no no no no no
            We used to have a contract with a big time restaurant in addis for a leftover food for our dogs. Can you believe me if I tell you there were families who buy the leftover for human consumption? And guess what? It can get worse. When there is shortage of leftovers, the restaurant workers prefer to give whatever available to the dog owners. Because it is the dog owners frequent the restaurant. My family stopped going to that restaurant. It is a rich man’s dog better than a poor human being world. I just wanted to give you an eye witness account.
            Horizon, don’t consider me as an idiot when I say I care less for democracy. what is democracy for those families who are considered less than a dog? I always say give my people bread keep your democracy for later.
            I care less who is on the throne. As long as he fights poverty.

          • Selam Abi,
            I too have some resentment with teff, not because I do not like to eat enjera, but mainly due to the labor
            intensity it requires. The amount of teff seed lost during harvest, the poor peasant women loaded with heaps of eucalyptus branches, sometimes more than her weight,
            as she carry the burden on Entoto road to Mercato to sell it for baking enjera, and the diversity of food procurement it negatively affected. I am happy that
            recently I read that Ethiopians are learning to eat cassava roots, rice and corn production is increasing and teff production per hectare is also improving, due
            to better farming techniques. Teff is becoming a super food, at least in the news, and it could in the future become the source of major income for Ethiopia.

            On your second point, “I care less who is on the throne. As long as he fights poverty.”, that indeed is true. And “what is democracy for those families who are considered less than a dog?”, is also true to a certain extent. Democracy as the concept of the rule of law
            and equality for all citizens is never too early. Why did we have in the past wars, destructions and poverty? It was because we did not have democracy. Without democracy, we will not get out of the quagmire of poverty. We might travel for a certain distance, but we will never reach the end. Economic development and democracy must go hand in hand. You cannot create educated citizens and at the same time tell them to wait for their rights or opportunities. Sometimes
            democracy has a different meaning to different people. Some of our elite demand democracy for the sake of the people, some others are lamenting for democracy,
            because they see it not as a must, for our people and their future, but as a Trojan Horse that would help them come to power. That I would not support. Similarly, I
            would not support the government, if it continues to tell the people to wait until their belly is full, because sometimes the hunger for equality and equal
            opportunity is greater than anything else, and postponing democracy could be a way of staying in power forever.

          • Abi

            Horizon endet neh ?YeAdmas feTari yetemesegene yihun agerachin lay tesfa ale.
            We are not far apart concept wise. If I say basic human rights instead of democracy will that brings us even closer?
            BTW, it was possible to harvest 120 quintal of corn per hectare in ethiopia.
            My hope is there will be enough electricity available for all so that those ladies will never carry firewood heavier than their own weight. That means among other things less deforestation.
            I see a beautiful sun rising beyond the horizon. Are we on the same page?

    • Abi

      Hi Mizan
      Mizan yemidefa hasab
      God bless you . May we all remember those under any kind of hardship.

    • T..T.

      Hi Mizaan1,

      Isayas is using mass starvation and forced hard labor to make the Eritrean youth hate themselves and succumb to subjugation. His victims need more than prayers. Indeed, they need actions of rejection and daily confrontations while the opposition continues its moves aimed at weakening the regime and uses the UN and other channels to publicize crimes committed by Isayas against our youth, mothers, the elderly and most of all the babies.

    • Semere Andom

      Dear Mizaan:
      Thanks for sharing. Good Friday, “Arbi Sqlet” , the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ was a triumph and an achievement, not a tragedy. It was the climax of God’s plan. On the cross, Jesus dies and defeated death when “he came to his own and his own received him not”. He rose from the dead on Sunday to defeat death.
      I will now slip back to politics as cousin Saleh once said to the effect if: “because you are an Eritrean and everything is politics” when he wrote one of his master pieces: “Goodbye Friend”. Eritreans have our own “Arbi SQlet” in May 24, 19991 and it happened on a Friday and 24 years later we have been murdered and still crucified waiting for our resurrection, it was a tragedy. They came to their own and their own accepted them with jubilations, but they paid them back by crucifying them is an apt paraphrasing of John “he came to his own…..”

      • tes

        Dear Semere Andom,

        Could you clarify what you mean when you write, “”Goodbye Friend”. Eritreans have our own “Arbi SQlet” in May 24, 19991 and it happened on a Friday and 24 years later we have been murdered and still crucified waiting for our resurrection, it was a tragedy.”

        Do you have a qualms with

        1. What happened or
        2. What is happening?

        tes

    • tes

      Dear Mizaan1
      I thank you for such a call to remember our fellows. We are fighting for justice and we should remember at anytime possible and it will be with more weight if we it duri,ng the day that it is mainly meant for it.

      Millions are exposed to hunger throughout the world and thousands of Eritreans are always left witthout single meal to be served. Our brothers in Yemen are of recent news within this category.

      Rhus beal Fasika

      tes

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Belay,

    1. They are just two-layers of identities. All Jebertis are Muslims but not all Muslims are Jebertis. It is just like saying Hammasenay and Orthodox. Two layers

    2. They adopted the Jeberti identity due to shared history and circumstances.

    3. As I said earlier, some trace their ancestry to the Sahaba, and to the first Axumites who accepted Islam (before most Meccans, by the way 🙂 Read the history of King Armaha. Maybe you can get it in the history of Negashi, and the shrine in Tigray.

    4. You are absolutely right intellectually. But the Jeberti do not mind anyone calling themselves Jeberti. They will not bother anyone to count seven legendary generation to a specific place. Ard Allah Wassi’e–God’s green earth if too wide. And that has disadvantaged the Jeberti who would leave the area if it is not peaceful and move where they can engage in trading, their main profession, of course after weaving.

    The Jebertis take pride for promoting cloths in the ancient times. They were also the envoys of Abyssinian kings to the region–before the era of Arabphobia 🙂 They also pride the,selves that many of their Geezwords are used in teh Quraan which is called Mushaf, borrowed from the Geez MetsHaf.

    I wish I could give you more but I think I offered enough for today. Thank you dear

  • Hope

    Dear All and a Happy Saturday:
    Can any one with a courage and gut,deny or denounce the following FACTS?
    “a/ The unjust sanction must be lifted
    b/ economic assistance targeting youth should be encouraged with explicit oversight over its implementation, and attached with strings that openness should be part and parcel of the assistance.
    c/ Eritreans should wean dependency on Ethiopia for solving their problems.
    d/ It’s OK to be Habasha and Eritrean at the same time (welcome to Eritrea, or you haven’t left after all), just emphasize your Eritreanness when dealing with a purely Eritrean matters, for an obvious convenience. And thanks for those who came out clean on this matter.”
    Courtesy of Vet Tegadaly Mahmoud Saleh.
    Asebuh Alkheir ya Ustaz Mahmouday:
    Kefo meyeka wed Ad,”naye wo Huye”?
    You hit it Big Bro!
    The SIGNS of the Times are right there.
    -BBC and its owner–“Great Britain” just launched its positive campaign-on Eritrea-prob by proxy from the their bosses in Washington,DC,besides “DISCREDITING” Asylum Apps of the Eritreans–by default–that of “Pseudo-Eritreans as well!
    -Great Britain Mining and Petrolium Companies are in Eritrea
    -Gold Mining is sky-rocketing by the Chinese,the Australians,and the Canadians and alike—Nevsum–gained a huge credit to the extent of being price-tagged by a certain Mining Giant—pronounced yesterday or so.
    -The EU just renewed its Development Funds of $380 Million(320 million Euros or so) for Eritrea –to help its infrastructure and its Exodus problems–so as to build Self-Suffficient Youth-in Education Business,Vocationall Colleges,etc–thereby to minimize the Exodus…
    -The Potash Mining is ready to export Potash in early 2016!– 1-3 million tons/year ($2-3billion/yr) for the next 250-300 yrs
    -Bada Potash is coming up too-with wonders and miracles
    -Oil and Gas in N Massawa?Classifiied info—too early(the Gold,Potash,Salt,Fish,Tourism—are more than enough for now tas a start up!
    -The Tourism has stood on its two legs now along with the Fishing and Salt Industries(COMESA is buying salt from Eritrea)
    -Under-ground/Silent Diplomacy is underway about that God-damn Border issue…despite T Kifle et al’s effort to stop it…I heard that The British “Mecernaries” are working on it!
    Do you need more?
    The School of “Chauvenists”–aka,Mahmoud Saleh,Saleh AA Younis,Daniel G Michael,Hope,Nittric—Selam,etc–might win then?
    i.e.A…Reformed Eritrtea might not be far away.–a nice start?
    Our Home work:
    -As you said in b)—
    -Push hard for Radical Reform/Change rather than a superficial one
    -Push hard to implement the Ratified Constitution
    -Push Hard for Proper,Appropriate,Inclusive and Legitimate National Reconciliation without “ifs and buts”/Preconditions–ASAP so that all Eritreans from all the Walks of Life will partiicapate in UNISON for the BEST Interest of Eritrea so that No body,I repat NO ONE, will attempt to harrass,threaten,sabotage,belittle,sanction,isolate,bomb,etc–Eritrea and Eritreans under any circumstance,and any time..no MATTER what!
    The PFDJ might be making a U-turn but it is our obligation to do the same for good and to make sure that the U-Turn is Legitimate,Reconciliatory,Inclusive and Constitutional…by any means possible.
    If we cannot do that and just keep barking,finger-pointing at and cursing the PFDJ,well,we will fail as an Opposition Camp and the status quo might persistt.

    • Abi

      Hope nefse
      Why did you bring this truth filled comment on a Saturday? This is as good as ” yeteraraw sibket” . Make sure it is read at your church Sunday morning. You should have read it at the mosque yesterday. It seems you are either a day early or a day late.
      Next time try to be on time .
      You are the perfect example of Abesha. QeTero atakebrim.
      Hope gerageru alew yedesdess
      Kehuwala new silut kefit yemiderss

      • Eyob Medhane

        Abi,

        Haha…Ante sewye, are you planning on being a standup comedian? You’re just hilarious..

        Melkam Fasika..

        • Abi

          Eyobe
          Melkam Fasika lehulachin.
          KemeTalat mesasaq yishalal biye new.

          • Hope

            Abi,
            The problem is ,eventhough it is easy for people like me,who grew up in Gonder,that most people will not understand your Gonderie style “Semna werk Amharic”,including your own Kim Hana and Fanti Ghana–Eyob included despite his closeness to you.;and they might take it at face value what you say as ” compliments”.

      • Hope

        Abi,
        Melkam Ethiopian Easter—aka,Fasika!
        Just try to start some kind of a Talk Show along with your Village man,Angafaw Tamagn Beyene!
        A BETTER Semon is reserved for a BETTER day….I celebrate the Eastern Rite Easter in a UNIQUE way!
        I did not only grow up in Gonder,but I aslo learned the Classic Ethio-Eritrean,aka,Habehsa Geez Rite and Kalebian….Church Services–That is right–the Original Geez Rite and Kalebian–Style–Uniquely Habeshian!Yes indeed,a UNIQUE Habeshan–Geez Rite,never seen any where— Classic and Original!
        “Aman be’Aman aman be’aman, ehh; aman be’aman,tesnsi’aa emine mutann’,tesnsi’A emine mutan.pa bumba pa bumba ‘buma bumba!”
        Eyob,
        Would you be so kind to chop us with the Classic Geez Rite Kalebian Wazema ,please,as I do not know how to up-load it!
        it is Fasika!

        • Hope

          –addendum:Read tseni’A as ” tensi’A”
          -Kristos TensiA’ emutan(Emne Mutan)
          -Asero le Seitan”
          -Aga’azo le’Adam
          -Em yi’Eziese’,Kone Fisseha Wo Selam!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Abi,

        Ebakish ” yeteraraw sibket” yemilow hareg tinish mezerzer alebish hope gerageru endigebaw.

        • Hope

          Ustaz Aman,
          No matter what,the ” Sermon of the Mount(ain)” is but one of the BEST Teachings of Jesus Christ,hence,irrespective of Abi ‘s semna werk,I am ok with that….”semna werk” and let Abi bark to the last minutes with his old-styoled Proverbs and Semna werk..
          Kab behali’u’s deghami’u!
          Happy Easter Emma!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear hope,

            Like wise my friend. This weekend is not about politics, it is about spiritual life. Enjoy the holiday with your love ones.

        • Abi

          Ato Amanuel
          Minew tesfa kelelachew sewoch bataTalagn

      • selam

        Dear Abi

        how is the above comment by hope important to you and cost you time to comment about. Is not it a fact we are independent country and we have the right to say what ever we want about change or any thing like that.
        If you were honest Ethiopiain , i would have expected you to write on how to bring the two people together unless it should not be on your list to bash on what ever we do. Get lost from our issues and come with things that unite both of us.

        • Ted

          Selem, Abi made his stand clear. He feels free that we are gone from his country. He is here to bask and add insult to the misery of Eritreans, lucky for him he found Buchela Eritreans who love to tickle his belly.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted yeqera lij.
            You tickle the belly of a buchila. Not the othe way round.
            BTW you don’t tickle a belly.
            Who is a buchila eritrean? Who is a pseudo eritrean?
            If you ask me it is an eritrean who likes to belittle other eritreans at the same time knows more about ethiopian affairs and spend his vacation in ethiopia. I don’t have time for those people, I do not trust them.

          • Ted

            Abi, i rather be called EX-qera lij. For who is Buchela and pseudo Eritrean, it is none of your business. I hope you understand.

          • selam

            Dear Ted
            why do you think all these ethiopians waste their time for no good points to offer, look at their comment , they do not offer any credible point even to the dedebitawiyan opposition like amnuel .h.
            i always question what is that they do here with out any good vision for the both people.
            Do they really think they can fool more people like mizaan and amanuel plus semere.

            Abdey mentebitikin ayte etiwa edkin do semie hakey. Please translate that to amharic as the tigrayians know it but refuse to honer . You know their DNA, it is quite amusing how they change from the first heart to the 7 heart. That is unbelievably cowardic way of life.

          • Ted

            Selam, as for the translation they don’t need it. They know Tigrigna well but as your request. Abi Selam telling you ,” don’t put your fingers where it doesn’t belong”. He is one of the kind” Gondere” if you know what i mean.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            I don’t want to drag myself into bickering. I’ve been on that road before. It’s not worthy of my time. Specially on the eve of Easter.
            Bruk mishet.
            Rhus awde amet .

      • Hope

        My dear X-esseppa Abi!
        Take it easy.
        No need to waste your time with “Ye-Areb Buchiloch”.
        As to my Eritteanism,no worries…..It is not based on my Eri Passport or my birth-from the Heart of keren -but it is bought through rivers of blood and martyrdom that you can ever imagine!.
        If visiting Ethiopia for a vacation makes one Pseudo-Eritrean,let it be.
        As Amb Ghirmay Asmerom said it to PMMZ that he is more Ethiopian than him-than the dead-for-good, PMMZ(RIP),I can confidently tell you that I am more Ethiopian than you by all standard and criteria,which I can list the justifications,if needed.
        There is one thing that made me happier than any thing else when I visitied Ethiopia:
        Paying off my16 yrs worth of past dues as a GCMS/AAU Alumini;but not the trip to Lake Tana,Langano,Sodere and the Awash Resorts..
        “Love those that hate you”….”Give them the other side of the face to be slapped more when they slap you on one face”.
        Remember:
        Read Eritrean History!
        You are dealing with the people,who WON against ALL ODDs under the Sun!
        Yes,indeed,you are dealing with the people,who provided water and food for more than 250,000 Derg Army,which was raping,kidnapping,and killing Eritreans and burning their villages,poisoning their drinking waters/Wells,and finally escorting them in Luxury Red Cross Buses….
        And yet,you are belittling,cursing and insulting them—-besides having a Party during their worst times.
        Lo…,there is a Day of Judgement!
        The Lord of lords,the Mercy of mercies—will be the Lord of Judgement as well!

    • tes

      Hi Hope,

      Too much facts for a naive person. Anyway,

      After PFDJ advocated too much on self-reliance and his 51-49 business engagement principle, I was naively texpecting the emmergence of companies owned by PFDJ and to some extent by rich Eritreans who accumulated their wealth outside.

      Unfortunately, PFDJ lost his self-reliance long standing policiy and is allocationg Eritrea to foreign big companies. Eritreans were kicked out to South Sudan, Uganda, Angola etc, and there are called to form “Eritrean communities”. Those who opened small industries were banned and exiled.

      How many foreign money thirsty companies are running inside Eritrea? In your list:

      Chinese, Australian, Canadian, UK etc are competing for mineral resource exploitation.

      Wasn’t then of the same reason Italians came to our country in the 18thC? Even Jusepe Sapeto initially bought a small piece of land in Asseb before he slowly extended to occupy larger.

      PFDJ is selling public properties to foreigners. This should be stoppped by any means possible. I hope ELL will do so;ething in this regard.
      tes

      • Hope

        Selam wo Senay Nephew:
        Prof Tes
        :Read me again,please!.Don’t try to mimick Mr Saleh Johar…facts are facts…no matter how they are expressed!
        My comment was,by no means,to justify the PFDJ Economics and Policy but to bluntly tell you that the PFDJ ,as expected,has manipulated us and the EU,the Chinese,the Australians,the Candians,etc—while we are barking for NOTHING.
        Read my last paragraph.
        This is a FACT no one could deny…sadly !
        But–let us wait and see.as things are moving faster than we expected it.
        Check at the unsafe Exodus:
        -No Erittrean crossed the Sinai Desert in the last year or so,to my best knowledge.
        -The Zionist State is ready to deport all African Refugees to Rwanda as we speak for few million USD!
        -The Sudanese are working against the border-crossing and their Traffickers.
        -The Danish and the British are making things hard on the Eritrean and pseudo-eritrean refugees as we speak…
        -The Scandinivians have tightened the refugee status and restrictions
        -the EU is funding the PFDJ with $380 Million USD
        -Etc—
        What is next?
        Your take?

        • Hope

          Correction:Please read as:” My comment was NOT to justify —“

        • tes

          Dear Hope,

          is it then manipulation executed by PFDJ system or development registered under PFDJ system.

          tes

          • Hope

            Tes,
            Both of them,…But I give the credit to Eritrea as a Nation and the Eritrtean selfless people as a people,who registered the : “Development registered”.

          • tes

            Hope,

            Aha, I know that you are your legs across. But your head is toxicated much with PFDJ mind deception technics.

            tes

          • Hope

            Come on tes,
            No need to go back to the “oldy days”.It is 21st Centuary.
            PFDJ is not even close to Eritrea and Eritreans and hence,I speak as an Eritrean only and ONLY as an Independnet Eritrean, and as such,I have a legitimate RIGHT to be so–to think otherwise;to have an independent idea,position,stand; and even if “Flip-flopping or going with the flow”–as this/these is/are independent stands and positions.
            To save you time in the future:
            I will go for whatever is the best for Eritrea and Eritreans.I am not going to “stick” to something static and stubborn “chawchaw ” that wil not be good for Eritrea.
            God willing, if PFDJ is going to change for good and stands for a Real and Radical Reform and is ready for Proper and inlcusive National Reconciliation—and makes a Legitimate U-turn for good and complies with the implementation of the Ratified Constitution,well,I will be the first one to ululate!
            Call it the “Latent Expression” if you wish.
            -But:
            -NO to Arab Spring Style Revolution
            -No to Mecernary-led Revolution
            -NO to any external Invasion or Interference.
            Coz:
            -Eritrean problems should be resolved by Eritreans but by Eritreans coz it belongs to Eritreans ONLY!

            .

        • Saleh Johar

          Hope,
          Zeban Janhoi! Zeban Isaias, don’t raise my name. Please spare me the heartburn that you are causing.

          • Hope

            Ustaz XXXXX(cannot raise your name),
            You mentioned my worst exxxxxx under the Sun…
            Simple solutiom:
            Ignore Hope for ever and ever, as Mr hope:
            -Does not know how to communicate
            -Does NOT have a clear stand–“wobbly”
            -His comments are nonsensical
            So,why do you give him any attention,your Honor?
            N.B.:
            I am not here to “Inform” you/people here as it is not my job to do so but to be informed by your : Inform,embolden,etc…”…Motto!
            Did it say also ” Reconcile”?
            My naive point and appeal:
            “Let us walk the talk”!
            The best is “to face”(Challenge–would be a big word) you face-to-face and I am will do that very soon..hoping that you will come to the “Keren High School Reunion”.
            Apologies….though!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,

            1. Please differentiate between me who is communication with you in this forum, and awate.com as an institution. You have difficulty in making distinction.

            2. Regarding the website’s goals and slogan, address it to awate.com, I am communicating here representing myself.

            3. This forum is like Las Vegas. What happens here remains here. Otherwise I would not to Hope whose identity I do not know. The high-school reunion is not an extension of the Awate Forum, say what you have to say here, if you wish, provided you put your points coherently.

            4. No need for apologies, we just need to recalibrate the attitudes and have clarity in what we convey.

          • Hope

            Thanks Saleh Johar and Mahmoud Saleh.
            I should be the one at fault then—-if the Humble Elders said so.

          • Hope

            Cousin SAAY:
            I see you are mad too!
            I recall everything that “maddened” the Boss,His Excellency Saleh Gadi Johar!
            My apology to you too.Everything is relative and I should NOT have expected “perfection”….from any one…eventhough you guys, along with the whole team and the awate.com are near-perfect-using the Law of Relativity…..I missed that.
            I have learned and am learning!

          • saay7

            Wo Hope:

            Since your cousin hasn’t replied to you, how did you figure he is mad, telepathy? 🙂

            The parts that I understand about your post, which I admit is not all, perplex me, particularly when you speak in glowing terms about Sophia Tesfmariam, particularly since you proclaim your fealty to EPDP and she has gone on personal and largely manufactured attacks against the organization, it’s individual members (Mesfin Hagos) and symapthizers (Dr Bereket). This is leaving aside her vile accusations against Saleh Gadi Johar. don’t get you at all, cousin, when you do that. The reason she gets away with it is because the United States has an extremely high threshold (almost impossible to meet) for slander and libel. If she was in Europe she would either be bankrupt or in jail.

            saay

            saay

    • Eyob Medhane

      Hope,

      In your recent ‘success’ report you said.. “…Salt Industries(COMESA is buying salt from Eritrea)…”

      Eh…I don’t think the selling salt to COMESA is as smooth sailing..Guess who the current chairman of the COMESA is…Yup, you guessed it right.. http://www.comesa.int/summit2015/ethiopia-hosts-comesa-pm-prepares-to-chair/

      Ooooohhhhhh, so what should we do? 🙂

      • Hope

        Dear Eyob,
        So,you are justifying officially your toxic hatred against Eritrea and Eritreans….and their economic success.???
        But the salt,the fish,the Potash,the Gold,the Silver,the Zinc,the Marble,the Canned Beer,the Pristine Red Sea Beachess,etc–will be in the market–exponentially…
        Then the Gas and Petrolium will follow suit;…then the sanctions will be lifted–not for the sake of Eritrea’s interest but for the sake of the Neo-Colonizers’ interest”.
        To borrow words from you,”Then what are you going to do?”
        Bomb Bada,Colluli,Bisha,Zara,Dibariwa,Massawa,Aseb,Emba Derho,Red Sea Dam-(Coming up in few yrs and beat up the Hidassie Dam)??
        “menghedun cherk yadrighilachu,yine wendim!

        • Eyob Medhane

          Hope,

          “Mengedun cherk yargilachihu..” ? Are we going somewhere, may be away from you? 🙂

          • Hope

            Eyob,
            Saylikut wediet,sayterut abiet ekko new negheru.
            No body asked you to come to us…..
            Saygabez yemetta enghida,hodun saymola yihedal.
            Better siad in Tigrinya:keyte’ademe zimetse ghashas,keytseghebe-wetse/ yimiles.-

          • Eyob Medhane

            Ayeee Hope,

            Neger bila bicha ante injerawin titeh. Bel Dehina wal.. 🙂

        • Abi

          Hope nefse
          Mofoker enji mewerwer atawqim.
          Fokakima moltoal amlak meche nesagn
          Werwari bicha new enen yamaregn
          Hul gize shilela fukera enen min liTeqmegh
          AneTaTro tekuash ayzoh bay kelelegn

    • Ali

      TO Hope
      Shame on you. Do you know the price of the salt. you know if you are “blind” you do not see anything. In this world salt is cheapest thing in the world go and sea if you like. The price of the pack is greater than the salt itself. At the same time do not forget that all resources you mention are found in the Lowland what is the contribution of the highland except looting. We advise you to stop looting the resources of the lowlanders.

      • Hope

        Dear Ali:
        Eritrea belongs to all Eritreans.
        But the fact is that more than 75% of our Martyrs are “Highlanders and Christians”.and by default,they deserve to live and earn their living where ever they want..
        BTW,our Salt is the BESDT NaCl in the world.
        It is not as cheap as the other salts.
        NaCl has also other functions and benefits,not just for food spicing.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan cousin Hope
      Thank you for the kind words. The shaHan Ful is on me. Be nice to Ustaz Saleh. Imagine the role these guys are feeling in. Honestly, sometimes we become so passionate about our position that we forget we are communicating with our fellow brothers/sisters (fellow human beings). This is not meant to single you out for I can’t imagine this forum without you, but pay attention to SGJ modest request. He consumed all zbaan Hghitat from janhoy to pfdj. The next step is invoking “zbaan Truth – Bound Society”. As a chairman of that society, you know I won’t be so kind to you. Cheers.
      Happy Fasika.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    dearest all;
    Weekend thought of the Truth-bound Society
    What ticks me off is when Eritreans get angry at any news that Ethiopia is doing well, or vice versa. Why would an Ethiopia that’s doing well offend an Eritrean? And why would a good wishing Ethiopian be disappointed that Eritrea, despite all the pressures, has refused to disintegrate? I just wonder.
    One thing is clear, Ethiopians are doing much better. We are doing below, way below average. It’s up to us to figure out how to perform better. But their better performance is not causing our sluggish performance. It also doesn’t mean that because they are performing better our determination to set ourselves free was wrong.
    You should fend them off only when they become nosy and try messing around in our affairs. I would rather prefer an Ethiopia that’s busy on development. Remember, with power comes responsibility; and soon or later, they will realize that they should make peace with their northern neighbor. Eritreans will also realize that they should get a pie of that economic boom. This will lead towards sober and responsible attitude on both sides. I am sure.
    Let’s not be prisoners of the past. Ethiopia is the key to the region. I believe, if handled wisely, its renaissance carries the potential of pulling off the growth and integration the region has ever seen. If Ethiopian growth continues as projected, its leaders will soon recognize that economic necessity dictates politics. The word “Stability” will replace their millennia culture of war and misery. There is no alternative to making peace with Eritrea. There is no alternative to accessing the Red Sea Via Eritrea. Just ask any economist. All the alternate Ports that it’s using now won’t be economically efficient compared to our ports, particularly to the Northern, and Western regions; Eritrean ports are more economical than using Sudanese or Djiboutian ports. And Eritreans will find out that they are missing some of that dividends.
    This is with the belief that the current situation of “no war, no peace” is hurting my people. It’s with the realization that we should not be held hostage of a design that has been in place to serve a brutal regime. The fact is: PFDJ purposely laid down all these excuses in place in order to perpetuate its rule. So, if we are talking as citizens why should I be rattled with an economic boom in my backyard? Haven’t I travelled thousands of kilometers in search of a better life. Of course, this is not to give Ethiopian government a pat on the shoulder for reneging on the border settlement and for fabrications of ‘INFOS” that bought international attention on placing an unjust sanction on my country.
    a/ The unjust sanction must be lifted
    b/ economic assistance targeting youth should be encouraged with explicit oversight over its implementation, and attached with strings that openness should be part and parcel of the assistance.
    c/ Eritreans should wean dependency on Ethiopia for solving their problems.
    d/ It’s OK to be Habasha and Eritrean at the same time (welcome to Eritrea, or you haven’t left after all), just emphasize your Eritreanness when dealing with a purely Eritrean matters, for an obvious convenience. And thanks for those who came out clean on this matter.
    If you find the above a bit raw, it’s just I have stopped acting like a politician. As a founding person of the Truth-bound Society, communicating as a citizen is much easier.
    Today, Hillary Clinton is going to announce her Candidacy for the presidency. Follow her, please.

    • selam

      Dear my hereo Mahmud.
      i would love to read all your comment always and feel as i never read them so i will repeat them again and again to root out some of the bad comments i reae below from a confused eritreans and evil ethiopians.

      About hillary Clinton , what happen to the emails ? Do you think saros will iinvest money on her, what about the super pac , like moveon ane others, i hope she wins all primary and then the office .knowningly her policy toward health care i will vote for her . Other policies like education can be debated , immigration issue will kill all republicans in the primary especially in Florida, ohio, verginia, pensslevania, nevada.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        salam selam
        So, I think she has a good shot, but it will be an uphill battle. Americans usually don’t favor a one-party-third-term. In addition to the fatigue of the name (Clinton). I know Bill made a good presidency despite his personal follies. But he has overcome that and most Americans look at him favorably. Hillary doesn’t need Obama or Bill; she could run on her own right. I like her. I was actually torn apart during her first attempt. In part I like her and in part I happen to be a father of four boys. I wanted them to see a black president in the White House.
        Things that run in her favor:
        – Too radical candidates from Republicans; most of them have no chance against her
        – The only person who could pose a threat, at least from those who made the announcements or hints, is Jeb Bush. But he has a problem. He is not Republican enough (he is center-right), and also there is the fatigue that comes with the Bushes. Idon’t know if Americans are ready for a third Bush. In addition, the Bushes have been related to wars.
        – Americans social changes in areas of women’s and other groups such us the LGBT, and racial minorities, particularly, Spanish anticipation that Hillary could reform immigration laws and policies…Cuban Americans may vote against her but they are the minority.
        – improving economic performance; policies that Obama worked on such as renewable energy, tapping to domestic oil production, education, health, environment and foreign policies. Americans are tired of wars.
        Things that may work against her
        – If the economy doesn’t keep improving
        -Russian aggression, but I think Obama got it right by assembling a coalition and imposing a crippling sanction on Russia, but still there may be some talking points over whether he handled it right or not.
        – Her challenge will be the Middle East. Obama, and under her watch as a secretary of state, the Middle East got messier. She will have to convince Americans that she pursued the right policy; and that Americans are safer under Obama administration. Republicans will hummer her. The Emails issue could be mitigated if she at least separates herself from Obama on this issue. She should show that her advice was different than what Obama followed and had she been the president the Middle East would have been different.
        – On money: I don’t think she has a problem, she has an infrastructure that Obama used; she can pull it off.
        – At least she will have the favor of a considerable number of women and others who like to see a woman in the White House. That’s just in addition to her qualification. I think she is the most qualified person. I really want to see her in the White House. That would be a history; the first woman after the first black president!

        • Ted

          The great MS, Hillary has a good chance considering who is running against her. i am not sure her talent as politician but she has learned what not to do in her secretary of state days(Libya). The three talking points
          1, The economy; she is for wall street to take charge in the economy and she has good support.
          2, Russia, she need to learn from Obama’s failure to handle Putin. Intimidation and Sanction are not an option but her speech will be Putin is evil.
          3, ISIS, Hillary knows better that there no solution going after them with the gun, but she will act tough to win vote.
          Eritrea should demand their NeTsela back if she refuse to cooperate.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted:
            Mahmouday was bored and he started talking about Hillary Clinton and now you jumped in. You guys are not going to do this for the next 18 months, are you? The election is in November 2016! All the Bush and Clinton dynasties do is legitimize hereditary dictatorships like that of Syrias Asad tyranny. If Mahmud Saleh doesn’t stop I am just going to post random blogs from Reason magazine and Ron Paul’s political programs:)

          • Semere Andom

            Cousin:
            It Eritrea did not separate from Ethiopia and we were just a province, and we were living in Eritrea, I would have called you “aya Saleh” because of the couple of yeas you have on me, now to compensate for that I will just honor your request from two days ago and say nothing bad about Eritrea and PFDJ:-)
            But, you are wrong on the dynasty thing, they are a system 😉
            Ted, republicans are and democrats of today are all the same, but historically republican abolished slavery, they were a party of living within your means and of hard work, but you fall into the typical Eritrea thing, they like democrats just because of their names. Just 20 of your close friends if Ab Licolon was republican or democrat , but tell them first he abolished slavery and you will get overwhelming number who say he was a democrat

          • Ted

            Dear Semere. This time is critical for everybody. Everything America has touched has went south, nothing good yet to be seen, if ever. And about Eritrea, our hope was dashed long time a go by Americans. They chose Ethiopia and there is nothing we can do about it. Do they still prefer to continue that path , i seriously doubt that. It is time we put our differences aside to work as one. TPLF is not reliable partner not only for Eritreans but also Americans.

          • selam

            Dear semere
            You are right on the slavery but do not you think they are a party that are cornered by old white man and i military complex as well as the kock brothers, i mean at this time they are just against all the good things.
            1. Tax they are way bad
            2.Equal pay
            3. Immegration
            4. Voting Id
            5. War mongering
            6. Racist

            I hate them , i hope they lose the coming election

          • saay7

            Hey cousin sem:

            I am just saying that a system which gives advantage to dynasties (“high name recognition”, say the pollsters) must be uprooted. Wait, I mean dismantled. Or something.

            And I had warned you people: now I am just going to be pushing the candidacy of Ron Paul and smart alecky posts from Reason magazine. And if Mahmuday goes real crazy pushing Hillary Clinton, I may just copy/paste stuff from Foxnation. 🙂

            saay

          • Ted

            SAAY the man. Leave the great Alone. He sense things. Good things are coming.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Salam Ted the great
            I like the neTsela thing, blame it on Gual Menkerios. Were you there during those years?

          • Ted

            The Great MS, I was there but unaware of it until i came here.

          • selam

            Dear Ted

            I hope she wins , i really do, you know the Republicans are far connected when it comes to WALLSTREET but whst they lack is the connection between the aversg e Geo. By the way i thought obama handled well when it comes to Russia , do not you think it is wise to cut off russias might by blocking all economic benefits from west. I really do like his way.
            unless what do you want him to do , wage war with putin , for what ?

            Oww ja the zuria thing , i hope she helps to make change in eritrea but i do not think she will because americsn foreign policy is well married to the current situation, she will be consumed by daily situations.

            Lets hope she wins and push women agenda and cut these men around who oppose equal pay, and other women rights.
            she need a campaign startegist like obama ‘s messna.

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      You always start your comments superlatively but at the same time, towards the end you throw in some spices that spoil the whole thing.

      I was enjoying your comment above until you said ‘an unjust sanction on my country.’ From there on, Mahmud Saleh wears his PFDJ nostalgic hat. Selam applauded you because you made here day. I guarantee if you ended your comment before the mention of sanctions, she would have bit you with her vampire teeth.

      I don’t quite want to open a debate about the sanctions but your take is biased and inaccurate.

      • selam

        Dear mizaan
        Plesse some time it is quite obvious you will say things that are way way beyond your reach.
        If the sanction was productive we could have our way but it is not as you imagined.
        i never supported sanction to any country it is just counter productive. Do you think sanction did any harm to PFDJ?
        i say to mahmud saleh so many good things before not only now. I have no any opposition to your way but is not it too long to wait 15 years getting help from your masters weyane.
        Sale’s point that i completly support are the good will of him to tell us to accept the viable force of ethiopia and also the support and appreciate how the ethiopian people are progressing.
        I have explained my support for the ethiopian people to crush poverty once for all in so many comments i posted. And mahmud saleh said that, what isnthe problem if i support his idea.
        please bring positive comment where i will defend and support you .

        • Mizaan1

          Dear Selam,

          Did you know this:

          1. Foreign aid is crippling Africa.

          2. There is a huge plea by Ethio refurgees in Yemen.

          3. April 13 marks 13 years of shameful acts waged on Eritrea.

          4. Ethiopia’s chief foreign policy adviser is a phony professor.

          5. Ethiopia is supporting al Shabab to destabilize Kenya.

          6. Ethiopia signed the accord with Sudan and Egypt out of fear of Egypt supporting eritrea.

          7. Human rights groups reports on Eritrea are misleading.

          Ok do you like me now?

          • selam

            Dear mizaan

            Have you ever find me say these things ? Mizaan please , go back and assess your attitude . You seem to miss what is real and wrong when it comes to accuse people. I never hate you and i never thought you are above the cliff , what i said to mahmud saleh is my understanding . You have your own state them down and deal with saleh not me.

            “Do not try to be humble now , you are not that great” stop the senseless bickering.

          • Hope

            Mizan,
            No matter who said them,aren’t they true?
            As knowledgeable and articulate as you are,you have a moral obligation to refute all the above!
            With facts and references..though!

          • Mizaan1

            Dear hope, everything I listed is headlines from tesfanews and madote and I am sure you knew as much as you stay abreast on current affairs. They are all claims by PFDJ and at best they are only half true or they don’t depict the whole picture. My main point was to show Selam that we know where her talking points come from. I meant Selam the phony anti PFDJ.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Mizaan1
        First a question: Is Mizaan the same person as Mizaan1?
        On your comment: It muses me when well read people like you choose to bury their heads in the sand. There are two observations I have made with similar commenters.
        1. They equate or liken the idea of supporting Eritrea, the state, to supporting PFDJ. In that fashion, they see the weakening of the state tantamount to weakening PFDJ. I completely see these two elements separately. I believe the strategy of defeating PFDJ should be based on its crimes, not on weakening and destroying what hardworking Eritreans have invested in…education…health…and other economic infrastructures. I strongly object the notion that we have to use a kitchen knife to excise PFDJ instead of a surgical knife. The surgical knife is behaving responsibly, pursuing policies that puts you in stark contrast to PFDJ in terms of discipline, democratic practice…and the defense of what Eritreans consider vital; and working in a manner that ensures the coalescing of justice seeking camp in order to boost domestic dynamics and/ or stand as an alternative viable political entity thereby winning peoples’ confidence.
        2. On sanction: Historically, sanctions have been abused by the powerful. They did not work at all in bringing down the targeted governments. In our case two forces conspired against our nation.
        a/ PFDJ: knowing that it was at loggerhead with Ethiopia, knowing that it should not mess with the USA as it had the leverage over Ethiopia, yet due its stupidity, it played the role of a spoiled child throwing tantrums. It got busy on Somalian issues instead of busying itself about its war-devastated country; it got concerned about reconstituting and re-liberating Somalia (remember that?) more than Somalis themselves; in the process it was seen palling with individuals who were on FBI wanted list. It was warned but did not heed the soft advices. PFDJ thinking was to annoy the USA so that the USA might reconsider pressuring Ethiopia. But guess what? Ethiopia has always been the darling of the west, even during Mengistu. Its sheer size and historical ties are just too heavy to counterweigh. Therefore, PFDJ calculation is partly responsible for getting us under sanction. Alshaba came much later and there is no credible information that Eritrea supported it. You may read some connections here and there, but the west knows who supports Alshabab, the filthily wealthy Gulf States. They could not be sanctioned because they wield power through their oil. Eritrea, a country that has been mentioned as a transit, got slammed with it because it wields no power either through sheer size or oil resource. The more you read about the monitoring group the more you get convinced that it’s a joke. The support Eritrea is accused of providing (even if it’s true, doesn’t exceed tens of thousands worth, in some cases 10 kelashins, 2 RPG…” are mentioned.
        b/ The marrying of the interests of USA and Ethiopia is the second component of the reason why we are sanctioned. Now, it has even included Djibouti and other “neighbor countries.” While the Neighbor countries have the right to destabilize Eritrea, Eritrea has no right to give proportional response. In short, it’s used to bolster Ethiopia’s position in the region. Ethiopia will use it not only against PFDJ government but against any government that replaces it. A sanction is easy to place but hard to remove. And the victims are always the poor people. Because chemicals…machineries and other spare parts could be denied because of their dual or multi-use nature. Some may claim, it was intended to target PFDJ, but I don’t know how they could justify that in an economy where there is no private sector.
        RuHus BeAal (Happy Holiday).
        Regards.
        PS: You said at the I somehow messed it up. It looks so if you don’t separate the topics I commented on. I tried to connect the possibility of change in our region through positive trends, part of which should be helping our youth have faith and hope in their future. Remember my mantra: It’s only a hopeful citizen who strides for change; hope makes you more patriotic, and the more patriotic you become the more you think of things that you might be missing under the current regime. You start thinking outside the prevailing wisdom; you think for change and connecting with your peers in order to realize that change; you think of personal sacrifices for change doesn’t come without that. I know it’s too long but thank you helped me consolidate my ideas.

        • Mizaan1

          Dear Mahmud. I agree with most things you said here. I will defer commenting if you don’t mind for luck of time.

          Let me digress for a second though:

          If for nothing else, I admire your sheer energy and passion given your prolonged struggle days pre and post independence. The same goes for AH and SH and others of that generation in this forum. I know you guys have the best intentions for Eritrea even if we don’t always agree. Much respect!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Mizaan1
            The respect is mutual. Thanks. You forgot to answer my question regarding your nick, cheers.
            BruK mishet.

          • Mizaan1

            Dear Mahmud,

            Yes same person indeed. I declared with AT when the change became effective. I was trying to delete my Gherhi account but I accidentally deleted my Mizaan account so I was forced to re-open but I had to change my username so I added 1.

            Regards,

            Mizaan

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Tes,

        A few points for you to consider:

        1. Racially speaking, Jeberti are not neccessarily related by blood, but by a common identity. Many trace their lineage to many tribes and regions. Some come from different parts of present Eritrea–Harer, Bale, Shoa, Gonder, Tigrai, Afar, Zeeila’ (present Somaliland) Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morrocco, etc.

        2. Many misguided Eritreans believe the Jebertis are from Tigrai–that is because Abyssiniand warlords and king pushed them out of Abyssinia, particularly Yohannes and there was an influx of them to the North, West and South.

        3. Many Jebertis also came to Eritrea during the Abyssinian/Gragn wars over 500 years ago.

        4. There are Jebertis who trace their bloodline to Below tribes–for example Ad Derki (Ali AlDerki) in the South of Seraye–between Adwa and Adi Khuala. Ad Derki (a bit changed pronunciations) exists in the Eritrean Lowlands.

        5. There is a place near Ashera called Kurba Jeber, many Jebertis lived there before settling in Keren.

        6. Jeberti is not a race or a tribe, it can be described as a nation that assimilates any Muslim–Christians who convert, other people who live among them are immediately accepted as part of the group and there is not intermarriage taboo among the Jeberti–they marry from others and give their daughters in marriage to anyone who is considered a good Muslim.

        7. Most Eritreans, particularly highland Eritreans did not grow on the land, they came from somewhere due to the migrations caused by wars and invasions. Some are newcomers who villages are not more that 150 years old. But some reason, the immigrant label is derogatorily applied to Jeberti as a main target. That is due to parochial (and primordial) biases, religious bigotry encouraged by Yohannes, and further promoted by Haile Sellassie.

        8. Some Jeberti existed in Eritrea long before they adopted the identity of a “Jeberti.”

        9. Jebertis are found among Somali, Ethiopian, Yemeni, and Saudi tribes.

        The above are just pointers but a lot of extensive research is required to explain the history of the Jeberti–an identity that very much misunderstood and abused by successive Abyssinian and PFDJ regimes.

        Cheers

        • Eyob Medhane

          Gash Saleh,

          Did you just say “…Some come from different parts of present Eritrea–Harer, Bale, Shoa, Gonder, Tigrai, Afar, Zeeila’…”

          Woche guuuuuud Demo bilachihu bilachihu you are calling Arsi and Bale “present day Eritrea? Eshi Yimechachihu.. 🙂 (I recognize the typo, but I had to poke on you, anyway; -)

          Having said that I am really loving the Jeberty people, because of certain members of it.. (ask Sal. He’d know why 🙂 )

          • saay7

            Haha Eyobai:

            Are you talking about Kokob Selams cousin the Eritrean-Saudi-Swedish-ethiopian footballer charming guys by studying amharic? Well, we will see…after Ethiopia faces Algeria and, um, fortune doesn’t favor the bold. Then I think it will be “ok with the charm offensive kid: win some damn games!”

            You know how SGJ gets very bored when we talk about Badme War? The whole Habesha, I am this ethnic group no you are that ethnic group bored me even more exponentially:) so don’t u be dragging me to Boredom 101. Even Professor Tes can’t make the subject interesting.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Ha Sal,

            That young man has a lot of chops. Believe me he will torpedo Algeria 🙂

            Speaking of talking about ethnic groups, have you read the link that Destaa put on the other day from Addis Admas (very widely read Ethiopian newspaper? Man! That thing GOLD. Lots of BS, but also some good stuff that would leave you ponder about where we come from. I enjoyed it thoroughly and nominated Destaa the winner of that thread…

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You accidentally made my point: you are recommending I read something where you can’t tell whether the gold is real or fake 🙂 and unlike gold, there is no real way to separate real from fake. I know that Maslow said that “identity” ranks high in people’s needs, and some sociologists (where’s Bayan Negash?) who studied gangs have said that the need for belonging may rank even higher than food and shelter…and I agree with Burbanks main point… Still, one must always be on the lookout for the Lake Wobegon effect: the tendency for people to believe that they and theirs is above average. Thus my constant reference to Eritrea as an average African country.

            Now see what you did?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I have no idea about what you just ranted about. 🙂

            But please, please, please read that thing….You’ll be so entertained and amazed for the rest of tge year. No. Make that for the rest of your life. Ask your friend Amde, he loved it.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Rant: truncated. How do you know what you called gold is not BS and what you called BS is not gold?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane
          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,
            It was a typo, but I like it. It sets the record straight 🙂 now I am encouraged to write, Addis Ababa, Eritrea!

          • Belay

            Dear Mr Saleh Gadi Johar,
            Thanks , it can’t be more clearer than that, I fully understand the histroy of the Jeberty now.
            thankyou.
            God bless you.

        • tes

          Dear Saleh Johar,

          Very enlightening and an added value to my way of thinking. To be frank, I didn’t know the inter-maariage between Jeberti and other people that can finally end-up as Jeberti. I know some who married non-jeberti but I had no clue what happens next.

          By the way, a quation for you: does it affects both man and female equally? Suppose a woman marries a non-jeberti. Is it a must for the man to adopt Jebertism?

          Coming back, as I told you before, I was born in Anseba village inhabited dominantly by Jeberti people. Except their religion, the way of living and language use is the same like the other people who live in the same village. I may ask in the future whether these people are brothers or not. I was also because of my grand-mothers family lineage.

          The other take is superbe. It is because of this enlightenment that I called your help about the Anthropology of Jberti people.

          The other take, I will correct my understanding stating Jeberti are originated from the same family lineage that came from one area.

          More reading will follow in my side and thank you for the updates.

          tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tes,

            First, take what I said as strictly concerning Eritrean Jeberti. I cannot be so sure about others because I have to verify many information before I say something I have’nt researched enough.

            In the highlands, because of the dominant culture, those who intermarry adopt the Jeberti culture and identity. But women who are married to othe groups also get assimilated into other groups –the status of women is similar to any other group on the same level of development. Not being a tribe, the Jeberti are liberal when it comes to tribal problems in their environs. They have no qualms about moving and living anywhere the can practice thier religion freely. This is an important tenet in Islam and the Jobert adhere to it. Some of the Jeberti of Agordat for example adopted the Beni Aamer to the extent they wear tribal Shliukh– some do not speak Tigrinya but Tigrayit. For example my cousin the late ELF leader Mahmoud mohammed Saleh is from Agordat and when I tell that some people they wonder: Kef ya Aakhi Ben Anrawi mushalekh ibn Ammetek? He had the tribal Sheliukh.

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            Thank you again. I hope the Jeberti people will not buy the PFDJ politics of clustering system. A free and democratic country will let people to be identified in what ever they want. And to that, keep your leading role inorder to weed-out the system that is standing againats everything.

            tes

          • Saleh Johar

            Tes,

            One more thing. There are Habesha fascist tendencies (or Habesha Fundamentalism as Gheteb calls it) and we have to be aware of it. These are the people who insist on defining others regardless of what the others feel about themselves. The worst of them are those who think Eritrea and Ethiopia belongs to them, and they are mandated to rule both. Intolerant ideologues, partisans, who spoil it for the peaceful people of both countries.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            I have one more question about Jebertis, if you don’t mind. In Harar, some elders say that their ancestors were soldiers of the Turkish that were brought to the area, by the Turks, when the Turk were ruling Massawa. They explain the root of their Semetic language and the fact that they write it with Geez Alphabet. My question is could their ancestors be Jabertis? If they were Turks soldiers, how come they had their own Emir that had a line, until Emir Abdulahi (the last Emir of Harar) until early 19th century? Could you please crack this for me? Thanks..

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob, you are becoming toothless:-)

            After all the explanation I did, that the Jebertis do not have a common primogenitor? Maybe the people who told you trace their ancestry to Turkish soldiers! By the way, at one time Turkey send about 2000 of soldiers (musketeers and cannon operators) from Mahra (that is south Yemen, close to the Omani border) to assist Imam Ahmed. While Portugal did the same in one way or the other. There is no doubt those soldiers left children, maybe they stayed and made families. If you consider population growth over the last 600 years, the children could have multiplied by the tens of thousands. It is possible.

            By the way, was the wars between Gragn war against the Abyssinian kings a civil war or an invasion? If it was an invasion, who invaded the other? If it was a civil war what was the political umbrella that contained both warring parties? I ask this because it an epoch that stands on the way of reconciling the rest of our common regional history. Everything is highlighted in those wars–everything else is a replay of that. It involves present Somalia, Somaliland, Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            Mahra people speak a language which is close to Tigrinya which they write in from right to left, as in a mirror.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Toothless Eyob here 🙂

            Your response is interesting. Let me start why the reason I ask. It is a puzzle that a small group of Abyssinians (Hararis) started a civilization complete with a fortified wall with a pretty well crafted trade route among peoples, who are almost completely different from them them. They carved a very small area between Somalis and the Oromos, who seemingly were hostile to them (that is why they fortified their territory with those amazing walls, which became a UNESCO heritage today) That fact made me think the similarities you discribed of the Jeberties. 1) They were sub group of Habashas, like Hararis. 2)They travel (Hararis apparently traveled to the east with their culture and Semetic language complete with Geez alphabets to a place where Cushitic Afro Asiatic speaking people Somalis and Oromos) like Jabertis. 3) They are traders. Like Hararis. To this day that is a distinct behavior of Hararis. They trade. These three behaviors make them so similar between these two people, and those who told me the Turk soldiers story made it vary much plausible to me that there is a lot connection between Hararis and Jebertis.

            Now, in Ethiopia, in history, we were taught that Ahmed Gragn was invader, because it is believed that he was not Ethiopian but rather a Somali from the area today is known as Berbera, Somaliland. He invaded in a quest to spread his religion. However, his first victims, were Hararis, because he wanted to take over their fortified wall called ‘Jegol’. He also had a doctrinal conflict with them about an Islamic Jurisprudence called ‘Shafi’ and ‘Hanafi’ (you know better, and I should not go into that, because my knowledge is extremely limited about that. I wish you enlighten me about it, though) That would make, however his adventure an invasion rather than civil war.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello memhir,
            I hope I am not mixing things up, but here is an additional piece to your and Eyob’s detective work.

            “The people who live within the walls of Harar …came from Hamasien. During the time of Emperor Dawit (1382-1413) there was in Hamasien a strong and valiant man …[whose sons] migrated to Hararge and settled there.” Layers of Time, Paul Henze. 2000 (p. 114)

          • Hope

            Ahh,Dottore!
            Thanks for “confirming” what I said before quoting Archaeolgy and Prof Asemrom Abay,who has told us the migration was from the North to the South.
            Yes indeed,if you consider “legends/Afe-Tarik”,the Guraghes came from a placein Eritrea called Guraee.
            There is a cultural and linquistic similarity with Eritrteans as well.,with theJebertis specially.
            The Harraris(Aderes=hadari-)–migrated from Eritrea as well…..their local names and even their Culture and Language are quite a bit closer to Eritrean Languages and Culture..,which I personally witnessed while I was in Diredawa—-besides my close contacts with Adere Students..

        • Yoty Topy

          Hi Saleh Johar,

          Is it true that Gurages migrated from Eritrea?

          • Saleh Johar

            Yoty Topy,
            I heard that, but I have no other knowledge to add the popular belief that they did.

    • Ted

      Hey The Great Mahmud. Well said. We should’t be despaired by political disunity that have happened in the past 15 years. The dust has settled to see what has blinded us for so long. Ethiopia has its own path so does Eritrea and Eritreans problems should to be solved by Eritreans.
      a, Lift the sanction
      b, Ethiopia to respect the rule of law.
      c, stop Human right violation in Eritrea.
      d, Stop human trafficking
      e, Justice and freedom for Eritreans.
      Short of addressing this matters as one people irregardless of our political affiliation will extend the suffering of our people.

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    According to some members of the alliance of Isayasists and Mongogists, the Eritrean government cannot be blamed for failures of other countries. They appear to support the phrase “if you break it, you own it” hinting at passing on to Saudi Arabia the responsibility of absorbing the Eritreans in Yemen including the Eritrean embassy staff in Sanaa.

    Well, even though that is their way of confirming that Isayas does not care about any Eritrean, it is surprising to see them adding the embassy staff to the list. Indeed, it is politically incorrect to go that level betraying your own people because failure to save and respect his foreign ministry representatives as well as the Eritreans who are committed to “nihna isu, isu ka nihn” slogan, regularly pay 2% and declared their preparedness to defend his government and the betrayal to their allegiance show that Isayas does not deserve the slogan and the 2%. A lesson learned for the others to save their 2% for a rainy day.

  • S.Tesfa

    Greeting/Selam,

    In the name of sanity!!!

    Why do we need to argue about (their number) number of Eritreans stranded in Yemen?

    The main issue should be how can we help to end the suffering of our fellow country men and women from such spiral of misery. We should try to share ideas and means how to stop or minimize such tragedies that is destroying such proud people and its generation.

    The number doesn’t matter ( whether it is 1’s, 10’s, 100’s,1000s 0r 10k’s) , what matters is their suffering**. Okay, for the sake arguments, let’s say their number is in 10’s. That is as well a lot (For God sake, we don’t need to compare and contrast our people who are in harms way with the number of people from neighboring countries – in numbers) !!!!

    Come on, we need to be better than that.

    People are not numbers and that is disrespectful for those who are stranded in Yemen and their families who are at home and overseas. It’s better to spend your time and energy by focusing on how we can stop the humiliation of our people. Every justice seekers know who our enemy is. We should always focus on how we need to remove this barbaric and demonic regime for once and for all, instead of bickering about numbers and cheap political propaganda.
    HGDEF work day in day out in diverting the attention from itself by engaging in cheap political propaganda which isn’t related to the topic or issue at hand. Diversion & Division !!!!

    **I hope you don’t agree with what the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin allegedly once said:
    “The death of one person is a tragedy,the death of millions is statistics”.

    Regards,
    S.Tesfa

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    our case is different. our people are in trouble everywhere.

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1105483049477414

  • selam

    Dear all concerned ethiopians

    you want to know who is in yemen please make survey in all oromo houses and you will know them in names. As for the habesha people looking for your brothers please ask your last kings if you have any one .i mean kidding.
    But to people like ali who have wasted their time about eritreans in yemen . I challenge them to post any.

    For the time being please click here http://www.yementimes.com/en/1622/report/1574/New-report-51000-Ethiopian-refugees-to-Yemen-since-July.htm

    • Abel

      Selam,

      Selam = Sofia Tesfamariam

      I am now convinced that this Selame is in fact Sofia Tesfamariam, you seem to have a lot in common, denial of facts,utter disrespect and disregard for human suffering, blame weyane for everything and anything,you are Amiche have no clue what Eritrea is, extreme love for PI and HIGDEF….etc
      Here is another weyane propaganda specially for you http://www.asmarino.com/news/4373-eritrea-listen-phone-call-from-migrants-in-trouble-south-of-malta Eritrea: LISTEN –
      Enjoy dissecting them ethnically, that’s what matters to you.

      • Mizaan1

        Dear Abel. I said this on the very first few comments she made. Are you copying me? But if you have never read me saying this, then we have a good case. You know they say ‘great minds think alike.’

        • selam

          Dear abel, tes and mizaan

          please understand, if i am PFDJ sympathizer what would prevent me from saying it. Think .and prove if i in any case i said any thing that shows to be PFDJs politics. What i said was the lies you are throwing all over .

          Tes, you know for a fact i have never ever said all ovet you are saying by that , you are a lair
          Mizaan, please act on one ground you flipp flopper , i am not going to argue with your idiot and groundless , lies.
          abel take a lesson if you forget how weyane act go take your second course.

          Lets bring the number issue back , show me from that we can see.

          Do not like me ? Cool i do not come to awate.com every day to impress you.But please watch what are you accusing me, you all are not working better than me in opposing PFDJ but will i brag about that to people who are confused , lost at best , no no i will never come down to your level.

          • AOsman

            Dear Awatista,

            Wassap these days, there seems to be a string of conversation that just deteriorates to insults. Are we going out of interesting topics to discuss and if that is the case, cracking few joke will do.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            a-osman,

            I am sure you agree the culprits are a few who are promoting the deterioration of debates.

          • AOsman

            Selamat Saleh,
            The forum has always had spoilers, some mellow down over time and others are shown the “revolving door” :). As long as it does not persist and affect interesting topics and discourage some awatista, then occasional flares are not a problem.
            Regards
            AOsman

          • Fnote Selam

            Aosma and Saleh,

            Well said AOsman, although this was a perfect opportunity for those (Eris and Ethios) who assign a junk of blame to Eri when it comes Habesah rejection and tension between the two people to step in and say ‘ዓገብ’፠፠፨

            Best,

            FS.

        • sara

          selam ato mizaan,
          indeed, you are one of our great minds in this forum, and i am sure
          that also means having good memory.

          • Mizaan1

            Dear Sara, I thank you kindly even though you were sarcastic.

          • sara

            ato mizan,
            not really, just reminding you about a query i made about an elder who lives up north.

        • selam

          Dear Mizaan
          i have so many things to say to you but it will not be enough for some one like you who is very familiar with stupidity .
          i am not good at advice…for people like you, but i can err because i am human . To forgive for no good reason is stupid so why will i do that. Fool some one with your name milenu bereket , guest , gherhi mizaan, mizaan1 yet i know you are , eshi goytaye.so we are way way far to have a conversation but if you wish we can argue.

        • Abel

          No, I haven’t come across your comment,but it quit obvious for everyone.
          You know this days it is not profitable for HIGDEF cadres to come to the open,they instead pretend to be holier than though., Ethiopian more than an Ethiopian, Eritrean opposition more than the real opposition.

          • selam

            Dear abel

            The real opposition !!! Who do you think you are ? There is no way you and alike have the courage to tell people this and that. Just state what you have unless it would make you a lair and look stupid ev3n infront of your own mirror. Eritreans under any circumstances have the right to say what ever they want. I can not imagine you havd the power to tell who is who. We are using awate.com to see if in any case we settle for good and united opinion yet you and alike are saying our way or the highyway , you people are not not that much to count on. Please lets assume that you have the best option to tople isaias , do you think every body will follow with out scrutinizing your strategies.

            If i am PFDJ i will do it and i will never ever hesitate to say, but i am not and i am committed to do what ever it takes to see change.
            Now why will any ethiopian be more concerned than me and on the way make false accusations of my people’s history , or trash any thing about eritrea, if you say lets allow them do that , do it for yourself , not me.
            There is a big difference between a country and a government, you need to see it that way.
            It was not my intention to reply but i find you like jumping all over my comment.

            If your significant other is cheating , Perhaps it’s is better you reevaluate your administer

      • tes

        Dear Abel,

        It is too late to identify her though better than nothing.

        At this time, selam may look more polite with changing tones but here line are visible everywhere. Her mission is to interject famous politics of PFDJ about woyane. She lies, she pretends, she insults. She is a hypocrite messenger of PFDJ for a specific political mission under a condition of accepting PFDJ as a monster. This is a straight PFDJ propaganda machine used these days.

        @Mizaan, did you copy it from me if Abel did from you?

        tes

        • selam

          Dear Tes

          Did some thing horrible happen in your kitchen or you want spit out your excess supply of venom. I will not allow you ran with every thing even though i can afford to by pass you as a street begger, oww i forget you are not a street begger , you are confused where you are. Please mention one from all your accusations , just one.

          Dear Tes , it is a plastic surgeon you need , not a doctor because i can see you will be an asset after some twick and twist.

        • Mizaan1

          Dear Tes,

          I am so happy to see that at least there is one thing you and I agree upon firmly. That is that Selam is here exclusively to advance PFDJ propaganda under the disguise of being anti PFDJ. Hypocritical woman!

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            The only difference we have is, you have lost your hope after consuming too much from YG’s line of thinking.

            Aha that hypocrite lady, gual hidirtina, she is around. I stopped to comment under her name for good and this helps me to restrain a lot from wasting my valuable time. What worries me, she is falling in love with me though she knows my status very well.

            Keep your hope floating high above and be objective in order to join the School of Fine Thoughts. Still the criteria is so high and no compromise though.

            tes

          • selam

            Dear Tes

            i never hate people , you , yes tes the arogant , mad person around . What is special about zambi talking rubbish nothing. You never bothered me at all with your 111 at your “shefashifti “. I know you have problem and i wish i can help but no i ca not do that. You are way crazy animal in a green place paris. what do i know about you.
            1. You have been to winna technical school , not that important to me.
            2. You have been to asmara university and agroengeenering , nothing that i care.
            3. You are from some where in elabereed , well that pains me that you are arogant from that place.
            4. You are in france tailored with french food with out job , that pains me to see you that way.
            5. You are empty jar with no cookies , well that also pains me to see you bluffing.

            I can go on and on but that will help you nothing. We have common enemy and we can agree on so many things but you are runninh every where insulting me. Well some times it happens.

          • tes

            Dear tes,

            Self talk is highly needed as usual from you. That lady, selam is crazy at you now. She is tracing all you biography, and wasting her time to diagonise your way of thinking. You are becoming so arrogant. Don’t be like that buddy.

            Aha, she is good to trace your life history though she missed purposefully one important profession in your life. Anyway, at least it is good.

            Oh yah, she is talking about your too much consumption of French food. Tell her please on how much you adore it and especially the Red wine which is healping you your heart to do its normal function despite the heavily toxified politics of her politics.

            She is good and easily treated hypocrite. Leave here alone to wonder. You arrogant tes.

            Go now and have a French wine while you are enjoying the spring season unless you want to be bombarded by her. Remember, no Newton’s Law to this lady. A small word exercise is enough to knock her head.

            Oh yeh, are you a student living with your monthly stripend or a street beggar? Tell her please you have invested a lot during your past time to be awarded with such prestigious EU scholarship called Erasmus Mundus.

            tes

          • Hope

            Dear Mizaan and Abel,
            —-and who assigned you to be the Prosecutor and the Judge of the “judges” at he same time?
            As much as you are anti-PFDJ,I think people have the right to be what ever they want to be and to have whatever stand they want to have.
            Selam cannot be Sofia Tesfmariam…Sofia can ” eat you up” and make you “pee” on your pants if she decides to defend up herself for being msiquoted and misrepresented here..
            Your role is to challenge and to refute what she says,not to play with her persona or that of the others.
            Let me ask you the way you asked me:
            Who are you?I am curious to know!

          • selam

            Dear hope
            You see they can not handle me so they jump to make silsi without shugurti at the end they have what , crying fool, slema is this and that. But stay on, i will never let them fly all over.

            Mizaan and Tes weather forcast for the night reads as,”DARK” and i say waw .

          • tes

            Dear Hope,

            Please Sofia Tesfamariam here. I will trash her into pieces. Please call this wicked lady.

            tes

          • Hope

            Tes,
            Cool down bro!
            Call her,write up about her and deal with her directly,if you have the balls and the testosterone to do so,as no ONE dared to do so.Please make a history!
            But get ready for her “her pain in the axx fact-based retaliation” though!

          • tes

            Dear Hope,

            Sofia is a rotten fish for me. She smells badly. No time to be spent writing about this monster serving lady. Incase it happens, call her here and I will here shuck her first before bombarding here in the resrved hydron atom reactor that I built recently. I planned to use it for Hayat Adem unfortunately she got lost by my old arsenals.

            For Sofia, I am consulting you because I want first let her to be confessed before going into the nuclear reactor.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hello Tes
            This is why I say you belong to the school of ” The Good Fellas”. What do you think?

    • Dayphi

      Selamta selam.
      NEW REPORT of November 5, 2012?

      • selam

        Dear Dayphi

        i just gave you for the time being unless here is the preparation for more ethiopians to come but now now due to the war.
        on this IOM report you will not find any mention of eritreans. Do not forget i am not saying there are not eritreans but you should remember all ethiopians except oromo say and apply as eritreans.

        http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486ba6.html

  • Eyob Medhane

    Awate team,

    This ‘report’ is a bit biased.

    It says, “….Ethiopia could evacuate its citizens via Djibouti, but so far it hasn’t done so….”

    Ethiopian embassy has been shelled by Saudi, while it was trying to evacuate its citizens, which hampered it’s efforts… http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/157347/ethiopian-embassy-in-yemen-shelled

    Saudi warlords and midevil rulers also would not allow a commercial plane like Ethiopian airlines to enter Yemenis Air space and land in any of the airports in Yemen. Even with that Ethiopia has evacuated some of its citizens. http://allafrica.com/stories/201504070937.html

    So far it’s India and China, who succeeded to evacuate their citizens entirely, by sending ships..

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selma Brother Eyob,
      Also the Ethiopian Gov had made an arrangement with the Chinese to help evacuate its citizens I guess due to the reasons you stated above.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Fanti Ghana,

        Yes!! You reminded me of that. Thank you. Here is the news for that.

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-yemen-security-china-idUSKBN0MU09M20150403

        Sal,

        This is not a three letters media. It’s Reuters, six letters. So you read it.. 🙂

        • saay7

          Eyobai:

          I read Reuters…then discount it by WQ (Weyane quotient). For example, if it’s report by Aaron Maasho, the WQ is 90 (discount 90%) I also read Guardian and AP. The WQ for AP is 50 (discount 50%) if the article is by Elias.

          So who has the byline on this particular Reuters before I open it:)

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Are you questioning the integrity of these esteemed reporters of respectable wire agency journalists just because they happen to be Ethiopians? Fine. In that case, I will never read and believe anything that. Mohammed Tewekel writes on Al Jazeera (I never did anyway:-) )

            In any case, the byline on this reads BEIJING | BY MEGHA RAJAGOPALAN AND BEN BLANCHARD. So there, now go ahead and read it and fix your above report about Ethiopia not evacuating its citizens.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Trying to guilt me? Tsk tsk. The WQ is not because they are Ethiopians (are they? To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, I don’t see nationalities:) but because their Weyane Affinity is high. Kirubel Tadesse sounds Ethiopian (is he? I don’t see race:), the previous rep for AP but his WQ was low. At least so I am told from VERY reliable sources.

            But seriously: reporters are human being and they have a point of view; in fact their job–observing the world, recording politicians–forces them to have a point of view. Some are very good at suppressing it and, after they leave their posts, write awesome and insightful pieces; some (all the 3-letter media reporters) are terrible at it.

            Jokes aside, you make excellent points and we will consider them seriously.

            saay

            * Speaking of a former reporter who just wrote an insightful piece on the US-Iran nuclear agreement and why some people are running around with their hair on fire:

            http://www.salon.com/2015/04/08/neocons_get_desperate_the_real_reason_why_iran_deal_drives_the_right_wing_nuts/

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            When you’re good, you’re good.. 🙂

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    ኣብ የመን ዝነበሩ ወጻእተኛታት ብመንግስታትም ህጹጽ ስጉምቲ ክወጹ እንከለው ብመጠን ርሕቀት ሃገራቶም ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ብመጠን ተገዳስነት ኣመሓደርቶም ‘ውን ዝጽሎ ኮይኑ ኢና ረኺብናዮ:: እወ እታ ዝማዕበለትን ምዕሩይ ምሕደራ ዘለዋ ‘ሞ ብተዛማዲ ኣዘራርባ ህዝባዊት መንግስቲ :- ካብ ታ ድሕርትን ዘይህዝባዊትን ዝቀልጠፍ ስጉምቲ ከምትወስድ ዘጠራጥር ኣይኮነን ::ብሓፈሻዊ ኣዘራርባ ግን ኩለን ሃገራት ንደቂ ሃገርን ተገዲሰን እየን ክንብል ንኽእል::

    ሓቂ ንምዝራብ እዘን ሃገራት ዜጋታተን ብሕጋዊ ኣገባብ ዝለኣኻን ቁጽሮምን ስረሖምን ዝቅመጥሉ ቦታን ኣጸቢቀን ይፈልጣን ብቀጻሊ ይራኸባን ምንባረን ዘይከሓድ ሓቂ እዮ :: እዚ ኸኣ ኣብ ቅልጣፈን ስራሕንን ምውጻእ ደቂ ሃገረን ዓቢ ግደ ነይርዎ እዩ ::

    እንተ ጉዳይ ደቂ ‘ዛ ውጽዕቲ ሃገርና ግን እቲ መንግስቲ ኣይሕጋዊ : ብሰንኪ ‘ዚኸ ኣ ኣመጻጽኦም ዘይሕጋዊ :-ኣበይ ቦታ ከም ዘለው ኣይፍሉጥ :-ቁጽሮምን ብዓል መንን ኣይፍሉጥ:- እንደገና እቲ ድኹምን ክብረት ዘይብሉን ምሕደራና ትብዓት ናይ ምውሳን ዘይብሉ :- ፍቅርን ሓልዮትን ዝተሳእ ምዃኑ ትዕዘብ::

    ኣነ ግን እዞም ኣብ ሰማንያታት ዝርከቡ ዘለዎ ኣማሓዳርቲ ህግደፍ ዶ ኾን ገለ ኣብ መወዳእታ ዕድሚኦም “ኣንታ እዚኣስ ዓገብ ገለ ንግበር! ኣይፋል” ክብሉ ተስፋ ገይረ ነይረ:: እዋእ.. ግለ ዓይኒ ሓሰኻ!!! ግን ወላ ኣብ ‘ዛ ጉዳይ ‘ውን ነዛ ዓለም ከይብለና ክብሉ ኣይከኣሉን:: ዘሕንኽ እዩ :: ሓደ ሓደ ግዜ እዞም ሰባት እዚኦም ሲ ኣብ ውሽጢ ነብስ ወከፎም ዘለዋ ልብታት ደም ጮንጊዐን ብጉቡእ ኦክሲጂን ናብ ሓንጎላቶም ይልእኻ ድየን ? ኢለ እየ ዝሓትት ::
    ‘ምበር ካብ የመን ንኤርትራ ክንደይ ርሕቀት ድኣ ሃልይዎ !!

  • Hope

    Ahh,
    Ghedeb news:
    Just out of curiosity:
    1)What is your source about the 50 thousand Eritreans?
    2)How do YOU/they(Yours sources) ID Eritreans?

  • Ali

    I think you do not have full information regarding the Ethiopian refugees in yemen. Ethiopia has withdrawn its citizens who are interested to go back home. you can see these news in VOA Tigringa. Those who are willing were given the opportunity and taken to Dijibuti. Those Ethiopians who are in yemen now are those who do not show interest to go back to Ethiopia. The problem is about those the Red sea lowlanders and muslims who are in yemen. you now the number of highlanders is not significant in the muslim countries so no one is going to remember. Awate. com I think it is better to communicate some international organizations concerning the situation of this people dominantly lowlanders and muslims.

    • selam

      Dear ali

      The eritrean low landers are mostly in sudan and we know who is in yemen but it does give you a hint who ali is.
      http://www.irinnews.org/report/90531/yemen-idp-refugee-camps-facts-and-figures
      please tell the weyane government to do some thing about this situation get a grip and stand for what it is true not for what you wished for.Eritreas are not in great numbers in yemen not do they luck another way of going out from eritrea to sudan , Ethiopia and then …. so much pain on the way to a western land

      • Ali

        To selam

        please come to your sense if you can read and understand the document forwarded to us says about 50000 ” Eritreans” mostly Muslims and lowlanders are under critical situation. We know the highlanders do not talk about the problem of lowlanders. Even now you do not want to accept the available number of people in the war area of Yemen. But you say to much concerning the migrants in the west, Israel, Denmark etc by default it is known that most of the migrants are highlanders and Christians.

        • selam

          Dear ali the document forwarded to you oww you are special one from some where in tigrai, i am quite sure you are and you do not want to give the oromo any out news about them, 50,000 eritreans in yemen , tell me do you have any sensible thing to do .please try other thing , this 50,000 is just not the best lies the weyane can do better lies.
          here you must know any one from sheib can go to sudan easily than to yemen ,

          • abrham

            Dear selam what about from Assab or Tie’o?

          • selam

            Dear abrham
            I am not saying there are no eritreans , i am just saying the majority are not in yemen and the number of eritrdans are not to be 50,000 for that i would like to cut your intention short as i can see you will get space to jump to other things.

            here you have it.

            http://www.irinnews.org/fr/report/97826/migrant-voices-ethiopians-in-yemen-describe-kidnapping-and-torture

          • abrham

            Dear Selam,
            Focus on the predicament selam, you are good at throwing some unnecessary words. I oppose your assertion that resembles as if there are no eritreans in Yemen to talk about. For your happiness there are many may be the majority from Ethiopia- Eastern and southern Tigrai, Wello and some Ormia areas. But there are many from Eritrea in which I am worried about their fate like the Ethiopians. I think this will not offend you. I offer you these links and hope you will not take it as jumping.
            http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/eritrean-refugees-stranded-yemen-2014619122639415783.html
            http://awate.com/eritrean-refugees-abandoned-by-unhcr-are-sleeping-in-yemeni-streets/
            http://www.yementimes.com/en/1808/report/4214/Dreams-of-Eritrean-refugees-turn-to-ashes-in-Yemen.htm

          • selam

            Dear Abrham
            ok, i know that and i never said there are no eritreans unless you want to frame me. Now do i feel bad about the people in Yemen , yes i have the atmost respect for any one in problem. But you have to take out the heinous behined the news. Now do i need to go back and forth to , no i will not but i will not fall because some one is making political noise , i stand to tell what is all this behined . The unnecessary words are given to a person who is an invited . No one from my head part called you to reply to me . Just ignore me . As you are specifically mentioning me .

          • Ali

            selam

            we are not ethiopians do not say this and that if you have interest on the Ethiopians go and discuss on their website. I told you we mention Ethiopians here for the sake of information not because we have interest on them. We have interest on our people who are deprived of their right by the dictator.

      • Abel

        Selam,

        I mean Sofia Tesfamariam,
        How does the link http://www.irinnews.org/report(2010) support you denials in 2015? there is nothing in it to substantiate your denials.

        You don’t have to expose yourself this much to defend the indefensible fact.A very questionable sanity indeed.

        • selam

          Dear abel
          abel= paid weyanay lair
          I am not here to show you how level lies you have , i am here to tell you being oromo and being tigraway is the same for ethiopia and the same for me as a human beings, but you do not want to admit the fact so you jump to things i have nothing to do, i will not allow you do that with your idiot idea.

          You people have the courage to tell us Ferrari driver is out done by two force indian car driver , and still you claim you are telling the truth.

          It is not necessarily to understand things in order to argue with people from southerners especially like you.

          http://www.irinnews.org/fr/report/97826/migrant-voices-ethiopians-in-yemen-describe-kidnapping-and-torture

    • Hope

      Mr or Ms Ali,
      Shut it off,man,ya kezab metakosi wahid!
      Where were you when 500 plus “Higlanders and Christians” one at a time—in fact more than 5000 Highlanders and Christians” perished in the Sahara and Sini Deserts and the Sea?
      It is our moral and legal obligation to help each and every Eritrean under any condition and any where,irrepsective of his/her origin and Religion.
      What we should have done is that we should have appealed to the UNHCR and to the other world bodies for help besides doing our part–like hiring a ship to take them to Djibouti or Ethiopia or back to Eritrea…
      I guess it is PFDJ’s fault again for not helping them…
      God save us from your likes…..At times,I feel like PIA should stay in power to keep Eritrea SAFE from people like you… and the current Mid-East Mess/Yemeni Style..
      You see Cousin SAAY:
      Yes, you are right that you were worng about the Middle East Spring Revolution..
      I am glad Eritrea is spared from it–so far..despite the petitions,the sabotages,the sanctions,the set ups,the conspiracies,the Arbi Harnets,the Amensty,the HRW—set upsetc—….
      I guess my CONCLUSION now is:
      God indeed loves Eritrea and Eritreans “more than “others” by saving her from such a Dark Storm!
      It sounds like ” Serving in the National Slavery Program ” is WORTH than dying in the seas and the deserts and not to mention ,to be victims of the Yemeni Crisis!
      As I appelaed to Haile TG about helping our Youth in the Detention Camps of Israel,I am appealing to all Eritreans to do something about those “around more than 50 thousand Eritreans strangled/endangered in Yemen.
      You see how bad and WE$AK th eOpposition is?
      We cannot even appeal officially,at least for “Kal’alem” in an organized manner let alone to give them a hand!
      What a shame!
      The EPDP,are you there?Where the heck is the so called International Eritrean Refugee Association?
      Just making up an NGO and taking some tukabo and do some interviews and Press releases is what they do,isn’t it?

      • Peace!

        Dear Hope,

        As you may know, the TPLFites care more for Eritreans than ourselves, so why not send few planes and help those stranded Eritreans? Amanuel Hidrat and his cousins should take advantage of the connection they have been building and win more cousins onto their sides.

        Regards

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Peace,

          you are joking on this. don’t you feel it?

          • Peace!

            Dear Kokhob,

            Obviously not. If begging TPLF to bomb Eritrea and overthrow DIA is not a joke, why do you think asking Ethiopia for help to evacuate stranded Habeshas is a joke? I need your help here!!

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,

            again the same style you are using. who said “If begging TPLF to bomb Eritrea and overthrow DIA,,,” who said so ? did I say? you know what if you are a human and from legal parents, you should be shame to be under illegal PFDJ and fight to death instead of trying to make excuse. now you are not feeling it because you are in safe place but our people are suffering. for me if today Ethiopian government help those people I am more than happy. even any other country who will help us in saving those refuges will be appreciated. man, if you and me had our office in Ethiopia as opposition (I mean it) we could have asked officially to Ethiopia and the world as representatives of our nations to help us in taking out our people who are trapped in Yemen war. but that needs men dedicated and committed with high moral.

          • Peace!

            Dear KoKhob,

            First of all, let’s not get personal. I might be in a safe place, but that doesn’t mean I do not care about family members, relatives, friends, school mates, ex coworkers, neighbors… and so on. if I personally attacked you, I apologize it must be unintentional. with that being said, obviously you agreed with me but you didn’t like the way I proposed, fine. Again, it is a good opportunity for TPLF friendly opposition groups to win the hearts and minds of the silent majority by simply asking Ethiopia to show humanitarian gesture to the stranded Eritreans, assuming all Ethiopians have already been evacuated.

            regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Peace,

            now you said it correctly.

      • Ali

        To Hope
        please come to your sense if you can read and understand the document forwarded to us says about 50000 ” Eritreans” mostly Muslims and lowlanders are under critical situation. We know the highlanders do not talk about the problem of lowlanders. Even now you do not want to accept the available number of people in the war area of Yemen. But you say to much concerning the migrants in the west, Israel, Denmark etc by default it is known that most of the migrants are highlanders and Christians.

        • Hope

          Dear Ali,
          Why don’t you do something then, Mr “Muslim’ and Mr Lowlander,if you have the GUT and Courage and if you believe that the Highlanders and Christians are doing soemthing to help their own people as you have been implicating it?
          Sir:
          Listen,do NOT try to act on/to me like /to be more Catholcic than the Pope as I have ONLY one Pope,Pope Francis!
          Plus,I am the ORIGINAL Lowlander with Muslim Cousins,Uncles,Aunts,Nephews…and therefore,you have NO moral or legal grounds to tell me this and that—
          Let us walk the talk and I will be the FIRSTone to do something —

          • selam

            Dear hope please visit tigrai on line you will find him there, he ethiopian .he has more knowledge about ethiopian people than eritreans , he is not eritrean forget about being from lowland eritrea.

          • Dayphi

            Dear awate team..Isnt it against awate.com policy for commenters to call others with names or nationalities other than the person identifies with?

    • ustaz habib

      [From the moderator: Begin your comment with salutation]

      I don’t think you seem to realize the difference between refugees/asylum seekers and economic –migrants, to begin with, or is that a case of conveniently forgetting it? It’s NOT so much about “willing” (to borrowyour word), it’s about coercionary measures that is in place to date that drove them out in the first place – in order for them to avoid unjustified persecution , they’re forced to flee their country of origin, as a consequence ended- up refugees/asylum seekers—and that is the case for sure with most of of Oromo refugees and other Ethiopians, as compared to Tigreyaans.

      In short, In futile attempt to explicate “away” why majority are NOT willingly won’t go back, or dismissing it as simply: “ not interested” is very deceptive. Be that as it may, the subtle message and loaded terms, you failed miserably in convincing me otherwise. In another words, your rationale : of them should voluntarily and readily, of one’s own free will, being Voluntary Returnees, with NO change on the ground whatsoever to speak of, just doesn’t add up.

      As reported by UNHCR and UNOCHA, including IOM – international Organization for migration – regarding the saga of refugees, especially from the greater horn of Africa, at this juncture, the choice that remains is: of the lesser of two evils principle appertain to what is becoming a humanitarian crisis of ‘biblical’ proportion in Yemen (that also includes all the Yemenis – IDP) if NOT addressed with the needed urgency!

      • Ali

        TO:ustaz habib

        Dear friend it is to detail and technical terms to defied and say the words differently. It is more of technical it is UNHCR which use the different words you mention to differentiate one from the other. But the general definition of the word Refugee is used to defined some one who migrates out of his home land to another place. I am using in the sense of the second meaning.
        Regarding to the Ethiopians I mention only the information I have heard from the VOA and some news papers and magazines. why do you get offended when I use the word interest? They do not show interest meas many it may be personal economical or political? Who are the people who do not show interest I do not know. But my interest is not about the Ethiopians it is only to give information that at least the government has shown interest to save his people. My deep concern is about the Red sea lowlanders who have no someone on their side. I am concerned about who are living near to their homeland but far like the distance between planets because “their government” is negligent and does not show concern. If you are trying to defend HGDEF shame on you.

    • ustaz habib

      selam Mr Ali

      I don’t think you seem to realize the difference between refugees/asylum seekers and economic –migrants, to begin with, or is that a case of conveniently forgetting it? It’s NOT so much about “willing” (to borrow your word), it’s about coercionary measures that is in place to date that drove them out in the first place – in order for them to avoid unjustified persecution , they’re forced to flee their country of origin, as a consequence ended- up refugees/asylum seekers—and that is the case for sure with most of Oromo refugees and other Ethiopians, as compared to Tigreyaans.

      In short, In futile attempt to explicate “away” why majority are NOT willingly won’t go back, or dismissing it as simply: “ not interested” is very deceptive. Be that as it may, the subtle message and loaded terms, you failed miserably in convincing me otherwise. In another words, your rationale : of them should voluntarily and readily, of one’s own free will, being Voluntary Returnees, with NO change on the ground whatsoever to speak of, just doesn’t add up.

      As reported by UNHCR and UNOCHA, including IOM – international Organization for migration – regarding the saga of refugees, especially from the greater horn of Africa, at this juncture, the choice that remains is: of the lesser of two evils principle appertain to what is becoming a humanitarian crisis of ‘biblical’ proportion in Yemen (that also includes all the Yemenis – IDP) if NOT addressed with the needed urgency!