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Afro-Pessimism, Optimism, Realism And Eritrea

Much of the scholarship that deals with African development can be categorized as Afro-pessimist, Afro-optimist or Afro-realist.  To-date, the case for pessimism had been easier to make: Africa is so far behind on nearly every metric, and it has been stuck there for so long, and it is growing at such lackluster rates, it is hard to envision when it will catch up. The case for optimism (usually tempered with the qualifier “cautious”) is made by professionals in the development field (World Economic Forum, just recently) who have seen, since at least 2001, sub-Saharan Africa growing its GDP at an average of 5% per year, see infrastructures going up, Chinese investment/partnership replacing conditional foreign aid, and technological advances that can leapfrog Africa to at least South American living standards. Then there are the realistswho argue that Africa is so poor that its data is unreliable because its surveys “systematically exaggerate development progress.” What they tell us about Eritrea’s governance; what those who argue they can govern the country better than the ruling party can glean from it (but won’t) and why, therefore, the silent majority is really silent is the subject of this article.

What’s odd about the Isaias Afwerki government is that it is more forthcoming with information to foreign entities than it is with its own citizens. There are two pieces of data that we will never get from the Eritrean government as it relates to its governance: budgets and census.  A budget tells us a government’s priorities and a census tells us how it is distributing those priorities.  I remember talking to a government official (one of the nicest I ever met, now presumed dead in prison) about Eritrea’s census: he essentially told me that the government does not trust us (the opposition) not to be completely irresponsible with the report. So something as fundamental as “how many of us Eritreans are out there in this world?” is still a secret and it is still being extrapolated from UN, EU, and US Census offices.  Similarly, I was asking another official (now exiled) about the government’s secrecy with budgets and his response was: “Of course! Otherwise you would be poring over it and saying Adi Quntsi got more resources than Ad Seidna!” It is more comfortable giving the data to foreign technocrats specially on a sectoral basis.  For example, the African Development Bank (AfDB) is trusted enough by the government to partner with it and provide it useful information it shares with nobody else.

The various country reports issued by various institutions (AfDB, UN, Transparency International, IMF, World Bank, etc) compare a country’s performance with its past performance; and they compare a country’s present performance with similarly situated countries. Aggregated, they are also, in my view, more reliable than anecdotes we all have heard of the “I was talking to my friend’s nephew…” variety, which often seem contradictory. Still, institutions are run by men and women who, depending on their relationship with the country being reported on, may introduce a level of subjectivity to what are supposed to be objective reports. AfDB has a relationship with the Eritrean government: its reports are sympathetic. The World Bank and IMF have no relationship at all with the Eritrean government–since 2008– and their reports tend to be cut-and-dry. Others, like Transparency International and Ibrahim Index of African Governance (IIAG) essentially use the UN and World Bank as their primary data source; they just aggregate it differently.

When it comes to economic reports and forecasts, perhaps the most influential is the World Bank. The institution uses various metrics–GDP in constant dollars, Gross National Income (GNI), Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) at national levels and, most importantly, at a per capita levels. To repeat: the significance of these reports is only to the extent that the same measures are being applied to a country to compare it against is former self and/or to compare it with a similarly situated country. Otherwise, if you want to have fun reading funny articles about how GDP measures all the wrong things, google it and you will be amused.

Three reports of the World Bank will be the subject of this column with a specific focus on Eritrea.

The first is the “Global Economic Prospects”, or GEP, which was published just this month. This is the report that got all the Afro-optimists to be optimistic: At 4.5%, sub-Saharan Africa’s GDP growth (in constant 2010 US dollars) was keeping pace with the developing countries. Of course, an Afro-pessimist can look at the same data and say that “developing countries” are made up of nations in (1) Europe and Central Asia, (2) Latin America and the Caribbean, (3) Middle East and North Africa, (4) Sub Saharan Africa, (5) South Asia, and (6) East Asia and the Pacific, and it is only because of the underperformance of Groups 1-3 that group 4 looks ok– but it is still behind Group 5  (5.5%), and Group 6 (6.9%.)

This brings us to Eritrea and Ethiopia:

alnahda-table1I think the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) owes us a lot of explanation because its forecast for 2013 and 2014 for Eritrea was significantly overstated.  Or, more likely, it uses completely different measures.

The second World Bank report came out last year.  Entitled “Risk and Opportunity: Managing Risk for Development”5, the World Bank’s 362-page World Development Report 2014 encourages governments to take risks, but managed risks, to develop their countries.  So, how is Eritrea doing and how does it compare with similarly situated countries and how does this contribute to the silence of the Silent Majority?

The World Bank divides up the globe into low income, lower middle income, upper middle income, and high income. Necessarily, the line between low income and lower middle income is arbitrary: a Gross National Income (GNI) of less than $1,035 per capita is low income; a dollar higher than that is lower middle income.  In our neighborhood, Sudan is the only one that “graduated” to the lower middle income country; the rest are in the low income category–and Djibouti, for unknown reasons, doesn’t appear in the report.

The low income countries are, alphabetically, the following: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Benin, Bukino Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Guinea, Haiti, Kenya, Kyrgyz Republic, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Monzambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Tajkistan, Tanzania,Togo, Uganda and Zimbabwe.

I have used Eritrea as a pivot which is to say that on those metrics for which there is no data for Eritrea, I have not added it to the list.   While many of the categories are self-explanatory and appear on many other reports like MDG and HDI, a few may be new to some readers and may require additional clarification particularly items 7, 8/9, 10, 13, 14 and 15. Definitions accompany the table which is for Eritrea in comparison to the average for the 32 Low Income countries, “Low” for short, as well as in comparison to Ethiopia.  The average for “Low” includes data for Eritrea.

alnahda-table Glossary
Large Scale Recessions: 5% decline in GDP per capita growth from peak to trough.

Adult Mortality Rate: The probability of dying between the ages 15 and 60, if subject to the age specific mortality rates of that year between those ages.

Homicide Rate: Estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, inter-gang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does not include all intentional killing; the difference is usually in the organization of the killing. Individuals or small groups usually commit homicide, whereas killing in armed conflict is usually committed by fairly cohesive groups of up to several hundred members and is thus usually excluded.

Bank Savings:The sum of domestic demand, time, and savings deposits in deposit money banks, expressed as a share of GDP.

Loan-to-Deposit Ratio:The ratio of private credit by deposit money banks to the sum of domestic demand, time, and saving deposits in deposit money bank.

Governance Indicators: is the average of six indicators reflecting broad dimensions of governance (voice and accountability; political stability and absence of violence; government effectiveness; regulatory quality; rule of law; control of corruption). It ranges between -2.5 (least) to 2.5 (most).

That is a lot of useful data, with some surprises. If I were to draw a profile of Eritrea 2014, I would say:

The Eritrean womb is more fertile than the average low income country; a child born in Eritrea will have significantly higher than average probability of surviving to age 5, and the child’s mother will have a significantly lower than average probability of dying while or shortly after giving birth or aborting birth.  The child will have a slightly higher than average chance of being literate.  The child will have a higher than average (significantly higher for females) probability of dying between the ages of 15-60, and homicide will contribute at higher rates than average for low income country.  The life of the Eritrean will be defined by economic instability, and a government not willing to extend credit to allow the person to take financial risks. The government will be defined by above-average corruption, lack of rule of law and ineffectiveness.

This is about right, except for what it leaves out: some that are measurable and some that are not.  Of the measurable, in all the Millennium Development Goals (MDG) that Eritrea celebrates, it often leaves out two very telling pieces of data (and they don’t appear here either): one is the percentage of Eritreans who are famished (malnourishment reports are unlikely to be provided because Emperor Isaias Afwerki once gave a long tutorial on how the UN experts’ calculation of calorie intake is all wrong) and what percentage of Eritreans live in abject poverty ($1.25 a day.) The other is the under-performance of Eritrea’s education system, particularly for females. As this report by Professor Rena shows, Eritrean culture and the government’s policy of militarization conspire to depress the education attainment of Eritrean females. The gap between males and females is so extreme that if the National Union of Eritrean Women (NUEW) was an independent civil society (as opposed to a female franchise of PFDJ), it would be screaming for attention and a change in policy NOW.

More importantly, reports like that of the World Bank leave out (or, to be fair, can’t accurately capture such an intangible) a category that should be created: how terrified of the government are the citizens? And to what extent will they go to avoid its rule? And what kind of generational impact will this have on Eritrea?

The third report the World Bank issued is the “Ease of Doing Business” report7. As its name implies, the report assesses how easy it is to open and maintain a business in any country.  It factors in: starting a business, dealing with construction permits, getting electricity, registering property, getting credit, protecting minority investors, paying taxes, access to borders, enforcing contracts, and resolving insolvency.

Eritrea ranks dead last in this report.

Now, looking at all these reports, how is it still possible for some Eritreans to still do the equivalent of “Je suis Isaias”? Why are we still hearing Nehna-Nsu? Why are there still Eritreans who may be repelled by the demonstrably disastrous policies of Isaias Afwerki but still refuse to count themselves within the ranks of the opposition? What are they prioritizing OVER citizen disappearances and lives wasted? Why are the overwhelming majority of Eritreans silent or semi-silent?

Rational People Make Rational Decisions

I think I have written a bit on this in the past: that most people are rational, and they make rational decisions. The overwhelming majority of awate readers are in the “silent majority.” The overwhelming majority of awate forum commenters are in the semi-silent majority. It’s simple and stark: despite the massive wrong being committed against the Eritrean people, we in the opposition are not willing to give up life’s comforts to fight it. Many of the loudest critics of the silent majority are themselves part of the semi-silent majority because they are not willing to give up another comfort, privacy, to stand up and be counted. There is nothing more hilarious than a person in the Diaspora, living a comfortable life, criticizing Eritreans in Eritrea or miserable refugee camps for not standing up to injustice–and doing it all while using a pen name.

Decision making–such as the decision to resist the tyranny of the Isaias Afwerki regime–is choosing between alternatives. To the silent majority, the opposition has been talking about irrelevant things, has rejected independence in favor of inter-dependence and has been appealing to the wrong king-makers, and it has presented itself as a worse alternative.

Relevance vs Irrelevance: Let’s first add some color to the profile of the average Eritrean we have presented above and it deals with a crucial demography: age. Over 60% of Eritrea’s population is under 25 years old, according to the African Development Bank. What this means is that some of what occupies the opposition literature–why do we have this flag? What did the ELF do to the EPLF and what did the EPLF do to the ELF? Remember Haile Selasse? Remember Derg–are subjects they can’t relate to. They can’t even relate to the G-15 or G-13. All that, to these Eritreans, is ancient history: we might as well be talking about Tripoli.  What is relevant to them is that they are stuck in a perpetual militarization machine for reasons they don’t understand, and an education system that is broken, and job/career/entrepreneurship prospects that don’t exist, and a predatory government that sees their freedom–ability to speak, to write, to move around, to organize–as a mortal threat to its existence and abuses them relentlessly and forces them to exile by the tens of thousands.

Independence vs Interdependence:

Many people wrongly assume (or disingenuously claim) that the Eritrean revolution had no goal beyond Eritrean independence.  But this is failure to read Eritrean revolutionary programs, particularly that of EPLF, which defined independence not just as a matter of an autonomous state, but as a guide for economic policy: one that charts an independent path irrespective of what the wishes of super-power and/or financial institutions are, one focused on social and economic justice and equitable development. While one can argue that this vision or its execution was disastrous (and it is), one can’t simultaneously argue that there was no vision. Suffice to say that almost all of the government’s messaging (including the president’s interviews) is directed at validating this vision of self-reliance. Suffice to also say that the people have formed opinions that this policy is either working (the Nehna Nsu constituency) or it is not working at all (the silent majority.)

The alternative vision presented by the opposition is one that stresses what is known as “interdependence” but, when you are weak and have nothing to give, “interdependence” is actually “total dependence.” The two entities the organized opposition and civil society have relied on are the pressure groups (human rights advocacy groups, journalists associations and internationalist organizations) and Ethiopia (to facilitate their organization and mobilization.) Suffice to say that the people have also formed opinions on this over the last 15 years: that this is necessary (the don’t-you-ever-ever-ever criticize the opposition activists) or it is not working at all and is toxic to our politics (the silent majority.)

Managed Pluralism vs Uncontrolled Pluralism:

The Isaias Afwerki government’s view of pluralism is the so-called “Hade hzbi Hade lbi” (One People, One Heart.) The argument is that while we as a people are diverse (language, ethnicity, origin, customs, religion) we all have a shared history that glues us as one. In this regard, all the things that make us different are regulated by the government (“equality of languages” as a policy, religious leaders appointed/fired by the government; customs showcased in national expos, and religious holidays “jointly” celebrated “at the national level.”) Suffice to say that people have also formed strong opinions on this policy: that it is either working (the Nehna-Nsu constituency) or it is not working at all and is actually quite dangerous for Eritrea as people feel that their identity is being suppressed. And they go searching for alternatives at the opposition….

The alternative version presented by the Opposition is a free-for-all pluralism. In this version of pluralism, every aspect of a person’s identity is equally sacred–language, ethnicity, region, religion, nationality–and can be used as a tool of mobilization and empowerment. And the empowerment can go all the way to the point of downplaying or even disowning Eritrean nationalism. And the silent majority looks at this and remains silent.

Conclusions

Ironically, the standards that the Eritrean government and the Eritrean opposition use to declare victory are remarkably similar. To the Eritrean government, the fact that it is still standing despite, according to it, massive and sustained campaigns against it by its enemies is proof of its success.  To the Eritrean opposition organizations, the fact that they are still in existence despite massive and sustained campaigns against them by the Eritrean regime is proof of its success. They have set low expectations and congratulate themselves for exceeding it.

In politics, as we all know, a political organization is said to be successful when it wins the hearts and minds of the people and it is able to grow its ranks via voluntary members; it is self-sustaining based on the voluntary fees of its voluntary membership. To many Eritreans, the claim that Eritrea will soon disappear off the map of the earth, that it will be a failed state, that its population is in rapid decline is alarmist talk not supported by the facts. But also not supported by facts is the claim that Eritrea is making huge strides in development–given that it is mired in poverty, has anemic economic growth, and its education system and militarization has squandered the life of a generation of Eritreans.

The government’s policy of extreme self-reliance and pursuing a foreign policy disproportionate to its resources has isolated the country and denied it development partners. On the other hand, the opposition’s policy of extreme dependence on anybody but the Eritrean people–foreign NGOs and GOs–has stifled its growth. Our inability to sacrifice ourselves in proportion to the suffering of the Eritrean people–most of us are part-time strugglers and we always prioritize family, career, anonymity over the struggle–proves to the silent majority that we are not as serious as we claim we are.

The government’s “One People, One Heart” is subterfuge designed to eliminate all alternative power centers and authority figures to emerge independent of the blessing of the ruling party. It is neither original, not healthy: it’s the Marshal Tito plan for Yugoslavia: compulsory unity. On the other hand, the policy pursued by the Opposition–Free-for-all-Diversity, cannot create (given Eritrea’s demographics), the requisite critical mass to be an effective opposition force. It also induces anxiety and plays to the fears of people who believe that without the Crazy Glue of Isaias Afwerki holding the country together, it will spiral out of control.

The least-costly path for positive change is for Isaias Afwerki to resign from the PFDJ; for the PFDJ to change directions and go back to September 17, 2001: to release all political prisoners; to begin an orderly demobilization process; to implement the ratified constitution; to implement the “Draft Proclamation on the Formation of Political Parties and Organizations” as well as “Eritrean Electoral Law”9 and call for a National Reconciliation meeting.  This is very unlikely to happen–almost in the category of the impossible.

The second-least costly path for positive change is a democratic-coup followed by all the steps outlined above.  This is still unlikely, but not impossible.

The most costly path is the path we are on: a disjointed opposition that is unable (it is a feature; not a bug) to create a united front; one that refuses to temper its political programs to reflect nationalism, secularism and independence as its anchors; one that is not realistic enough to know that it cannot pursue the revolutionary “liberate the land, liberate the people” strategy of attrition (Happy Fenkel Day!); and is, therefore, one that has not come to grips with the fact that it will always have a secondary, supportive and, at best, influential role to the change that will come, whenever it comes, from Eritrea.

And that’s why the Silent Majority is silent. It looks at two tracks heading the wrong way. The Isaias Afwerki regime won’t do what is sensible; and the opposition won’t make strategic changes to force the Isaias Afwerki regime to be sensible or remove him. And the Eritrean people, over 60% of whom are under 25 and veterans of un-winnable wars, have no inclination to fight yet another un-winnable war–notwithstanding all the rabble-rousing from their semi-silent compatriots who refuse to give up life’s little comforts.

salyounis@gmail.com


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About Salyounis

Saleh Younis (SAAY) has been writing about Eritrea since 1994 when he published "Eritrean Exponent", a quarterly print journal. His writing has been published in several media outlets including Dehai, Eritrean Studies Review, Visafric, Asmarino and, of course, Awate where his column has appeared since the launch of the website in 2000. Focusing on political, economic, educational policies, he approaches his writing from the perspective of the individual citizens' civil liberties and how collectivist governments and overbearing organizations trample all over it in pursuit of their interests. SAAY is the president and CEO of a college with a focus in sound arts and video games and his writing often veers to music critique. He has an MBA from Golden Gate University and a BA from St Mary's College.

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  • Hope

    I am disappointed that ,this great Article have not gotten the attentionit it deserves.May be it should be posted in the Guardian,Washington Post,the New York Times…..
    The debate here has become boring :
    Abi vs Hope,Tes vs Selam,Nittric vs Guest—-it is really disappointing.
    Cousin Saay,I hope you are complingthese stuff in a book–The Eritrean Novel….or something like that…

    • Nitricc

      Uncle Hope, it only shows you how the Eritreans are becoming more Americanized. They are more entertained and less informed. When some one writes gossip and hot air; every one is up in arms and the debate is raging but when pure facts, supported with strong evidence and the reality in the ground is expressed in real time; no one wants to deal with it. In a way, I can’t blame them; this article shuts all the Amen-Corner; it puts them to the point they can’t rebuttal.
      Anyway Uncle Hope; yesterday I needed your help identifying Abinet but I gave you the wrong link. Here it is the right one. When Abinet shamelessly declared that He got rid of us, meaning the Ethiopians got rid of the Ethiopians; well listen to their general declaring Eritrea or death. Sadly, death was his destiny. So, who got rid of whom? Uncle Hope please watch and translate for Abinet.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi5h1SwlM1E

  • Nero

    I stand corrected – re 2010. However, I don’t think past election results popular vote exceed 70%. With the First Past the Post system Ethiopia follows, it is easier to ensure hold on power, without necessarily wining a landslide popular vote.

    • Amde

      Nero,

      All you need is 50.1% in all the constituencies and you can win 100% of the seats. First Past The Post is an abomination, especially in a diverse country like Ethiopia.

      Amde

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear AMAN,

    Though I don’t interact as I see that your approach is unique, I always read your uniqueness and yet you talking on grievances of our people and the change we should bring. Your kind of philosophical pieces at the corner and floating high above needs a heartful read.

    I am here just to thank you.

  • Abinet

    Bichawun yeroTe yemiqedmew yelem

  • Amde

    Ato Mehari,

    Please elaborate

    • Abinet

      My only advise for him is to put
      “DO NOT DISTURB” sign before he goes to bed. Otherwise someone like you wakes him up from his sweet dream.
      Eritrea … Ethiopia…. Africa…..hell ( eritrea) You see , zoro zoro kebet.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    I am disappointed also for being disappointed at me.

  • Senai

    An absolutely great post. Hands down, amazing……. Wish you would post in depth articles like this on a daily basis.

  • Hope

    Eritrea: Africa’s North Korea or African Survivor?
    Read more at http://www.tesfanews.net/eritrea-africas-north-korea-or-african-survivor/#WebYc5fECBheWgiv.99
    A good read to compare and contrast.this Harvard Article(NOT a Russian Jouranlist,haile TG–where are you ,btw,MIA?)with Prof Sale AA Younis’ Article.

  • Nitricc

    you don’t have to read this post. just look at the pics.
    If you pay attention to details then the railroads will tell you the story. Right at the fork; to the left the railroad tracks are real and continue as far as the eye can see, but to the right after a short distance, you can see there are no real railroad tracks to continue, however there imaginary lines, fake railroad pretend to be real.
    Even if you don’t read this great article, just looking at pictures will tell you the whole story. There is one option that will assure your continuity and safety for change and there the other that will take to nowhere and hold you on your tracks literally.
    Translation; the left railroad tracks simplifies the change and the progress is assured i.e. reform and keep going.
    The other simply put, represents the Eritrean oppositions way, fake, no visions, broken and no where to go and it takes you no where; it takes somewhere it will be to total distraction. What an article? Even better the picture explain it all. Good job SAAY.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Awatistas

    EPLF’s “state monopoly” begins first, it pushed out any political organization that could compete with them. Then it continues to consolidate its power and its security by eliminating any disgruntled group or individuals within them. It took as ideological and political principle that a party should own private property thereby to monopolize the economy of the nation. Finally it controlled the livelihood of our citizen. And this is called by some a “single man institution” and not a “system”. Imagine how this simple understandable reality, but yet it put us at two opposite end. Yegermal!!

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Kokhob Selam

      ብልክዕ !! ነዚ ሓቂ ክርእዩ ዘይከኣሉ ምሁራት ምስ ገጠምዎ እዩ ይመስለኒ “ፍልጠት ብዘይ ልቦና ከንቱ እዩ ” ዝበለ ስውእ ወዲ ጭዓይ ዓርከይ :: እኽብካብ ሓበሬታ ጠርኒፉ : መልክዕ ዘትሕዞ ፍልጠት ምውናን ‘ሞ ብልቦና ምምዛን ግዳ ንፍልጠት ይማዕርጎን ኣብ መዓላ የብጽሖን ::ተዓወት :ኣማኑኤል ተዓወት!!

    • oldbadtimes

      Hello Mr. Amanuel, are you the one who was interviewing the Hero Pilot Dejen on Assenna website please? If you are not, sorry i maybe wrong. But If so, i heard you there i mean on the interview, you were among the Tegadeliti in Sahel or Sewura Eritrea something like that. Please make me sort out the question of Eritrean Independence in a more broader sense outside the context of Barbaric action of Ethiopian rulers. What is the main cause and substance of Eritrean Independence forgetting what the mischievous colonizers and Menelik did? I will not bother to you to write me long essay just the core points. Thank you sir.

  • oldbadtimes

    Unification (Ethiopia and
    Eritrea) is the way forward. Imagine a unified country made up of these
    beautiful nations. I strongly believe and feel it that we are meant and created
    to be one nation. I cannot understand or comprehend the strength of the
    imaginary line or wall built between the people of both countries. The problem
    is we are sunk in the tide of politics to understand the wish of our people.
    Remember the unity of TPLF AND EPLF during the old times (defeating Derg
    regime). They were both public bodies who were working to free their suffering
    people and overthrew the yoke of oppression through armed struggle being hand
    and glove with the people. Imagine that unification now against all odds our
    people are facing these days such as against poverty, backwardness, etc. Pause for a moment and imagine the beauty of that. Forget the hardliner nationalists of both nations who prefer to sell body organs of their people for human traffickers than unification. That is delusional wall created by colonizers and the former rulers of Ethiopia(Menelik). TPLE AND EPLF wanted to lead an independent nations from the very beginning to quench their thirsty of power not because Independent nations was good for the strength of people of the nations. Independence was for narrow minded nationalist not for the majority of the people because we are created and meant to be one nation. I however understand the suffering of Eritreans and Tigriyans by the former rulers of Ethiopia(especially Derg and Haileselase). Alula and Yohannes want us to be one nation and fought tirelessly to make us remain one nation. Our conscience and common sense dictates that as well not TPLF AND EPLF. I would be very happy if the two nations can reintegrated to one strong nation. Guess what, for me the barrier of unification between Black American and White American is much more stronger
    than that of Ethiopian and Eritrean. Even so, they are all trying to be Americans not Black/White American. But here we are giving Eritrean or Ethiopian names. We are all Ethiopians. I am looking forward for messenger of unification. Hope that will not be too long time. Unification feels amazing for me and for millions of people of both nations excluding the POLITICIANS. I want to hear your heart and mind regarding this big agenda if you are really people not politician as people and politician of these nations are totally different. Success to our Unification, sooner or later unification is inevitable. I am afraid the moderate of this site will delete this comments. This is one problem of politicians.

    Hawukum, Addis Ababa.

    • Abinet

      Sir
      I don’t agree with you at all. Every eritrean from a farmer at mendefera to a merchant in addis, from a house maid in Arab countries to professors in the west and everyone in between supported your struggle for independence . It had the support of all eritreans from all walks of life and it still has . You should be proud of your achievement against all odds. Unification ? The last time we tried it we killed 500.000 people in 30 years
      in a brotherly war.
      BTW I’m one of those people against any kind of unification or integration . The only thing both people need is peace. If we are not killing each other , I consider it as an achievement by itself .

      • oldbadtimes

        The support of Eritreans for Independence emanated firstly from Colonizers and secondly from the cruel and inhuman treatment of Eritreans by the then Ethiopian Rulers NOT from clear substance of Independence ideology. We all know that. People of both nations never wanted separation had it not been for the cruel rulers. I do not think there is hate between people and people being together as one nation. The cause of all those Independence propaganda is myth. Or is started by the hate or hatred of Eritreans for the bad and monster rulers of Ethiopia not from clear cause. Eritreans despised the UNIFICATION with Ethiopia merely by the agony of the rules towards Eritrea. Eritrean father/mother is happy to wed his/her son/daughter to Ethiopian/Eritrean. As someone from the border of these nations, i know the depth of respect and love among the people. They always look as people of one nation. The problem is with politicians not with people my friend. Therefore, unification will be realized for sure as there were no clear cause of Independence except Grievance from the rulers. I do not know there is clear evidence that any Eritrean supported Independence for clear cause except the point i raised. Unification is the way forward for sure!

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Oldbadtimes,

          It is good that you didn’t deny our bad days with you. We don’t care who are the rulers but they all came by the name of big mama Ethiopia and killed us in a barbaric way. Take not here: they came (to Eritrea) and killed us. We didn’t go there and we were never there. Now, the bad time has passed with its own lesson that we can never forgot easily. Today, we are living in tension but sooner this tension will be removed and the two countries will live in respect as they are, Eritrea and Ethiopia. My prophesy is that additional 50 years will be needed to build full trustship among the people and another 50 years, in total 100 years, will be needed to create and economically conducive environment. Doing this, the horn of Africa will have a chance to lead a normal life in the 22end century. Never before.

          Worse, if we delay now the peace normalization process, even I am not sure about the 50 years trust build-up year span. Therefore lets build total peace and focus for the future trust build-up transition period so that the horn of Africa can live in peace and prosperity.

          This is my prophesy.

          tes

          • oldbadtimes

            I know and heard what happened to Eritreans and i understand the suffering you had to endure. That is needless to say as it is crystal clear for everybody with working mind. But the core issue is, i always wonder and try to get the cause of Eritrean Independence and when i read all the very causes it entirely revolve around the barbaric action of Ethiopian rulers nothing else. If any evidence other than that, Please, i am ready to accept and convince myself the independence of Eritrea. Otherwise, my mind and many million others like me always questions the core theme of the so called Eritrean Independence and confuses me. Can anybody justify the economical, social, political and other core independence principles in relative to Eritrea for me and million others please ? When i deeply try to think the cause of the Independence, it is only and only hatred towards the rulers of Ethiopia. Is that what it takes to declare independent state from its some Millennia long history? Eritrea has been part and parcel of Ethiopia for some Millennia. It is broad daylight truth. And how in the world is it justified to declare independence while what
            makes us one is much more with solid foundation than the cause of Independence. Even if they live as peaceful neighbors, which is less likely to be achieved, there will always be ethnic cleansing around the border as one family will be split into two nations. Come on guys, please forward your argument regarding the independence cause outside the Hatred towards Ethiopian leaders and rule out the importance of Unification for the best of the people not for the hardliner nationalists.
            Regards!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            No discussion about the independence issue. It is done by now. But if you are ready for for peace and developmental discussions, I could have spared some of my time. But sorry, even for this later noble discussion, I don’t have time. Let me first make my home at peace and allow her to marsh for development.

            Sorry for not sharing my time with you and hope you understand me.

          • oldbadtimes

            It is fine friend, please inform me a good book or article which
            explains core theme of Eritrean Independence if you can and if that is not a burden on
            your shoulder and if i am not bothering you again. I am always confused
            and always candid to know the theme or cause of the Eritrean
            Independence as i am from the young generation who simply i am preached
            by the masters just to accept it. Anyways, please help me with any
            resource that will help me sort out this difficult to understand issue .
            This even gets worsened when i see the Eritrean refugees in Addis
            ababa, and ask myself why in the first place had to be separated from each
            other. We are one and that is why i always believe unification is the
            way forward. Thank you!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            I kindly advice you to visit google and on the search tab, put “Eritrean Independence”. And if you are looking for specific cause, just re-visit yourself and ask why you are so eager to see Eritrea part of your country. 50 years before, just same people like you dreamt as if Eritrea and Ethiopia are one and we showed them that we are not.

          • oldbadtimes

            You do not look clear on your stand regarding Independence. I am well aware of all the battles fought for independence. You cannot justify it except blindly supporting it for only taking the suffering of Eritreans during the old bad times. Eritreans endured unbelievable grievances. That was all due to lack of rule of law. I condemn with all my heart the suffering of Eritreans during the bad old times. Be rational on your argument and give me or just jot jot me… as an Eritrean what is in your head regarding the cause of Independence? There must have been something that convinces you to swallow the Eritrean Independence. If you will pinpoint the issues of the Ethiopian rulers, we are done. I have already enough about that. i am looking for more rational reason. Thank you.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            First of all, I am not the one that swallow my independence. No one gave it to me. You have to swallow it because you were forced to leave Eritrea free. First, swallow your bitter defeat and come for peace, and development

          • oldbadtimes

            What defeat? i mean, if you are talking about the wars. It was not football match my friend. You seem unaware of the loss of life in both ends. No winner in all the previous wars. Everybody is looser as to my understanding. We know the price paid in both ends. Do not brag as if it is football match. I think still you are using your sahel mindset sir, that is warrior mindset. You seem that you are forgetting your Eritrean brothers and sisters who are being perished in all directions from all walks of life. Independence is not benefiting anyone except the human trafficker politicians. It did not even benefit Pilot Dejen who paid every sacrifices.Wake up and think inclusively with 21st language and mindset. Thank you.

          • Amde

            Selam oldbadtimes,

            I am curious about your demographic. Can I ask your age, and whether your friends/peers support your idea?

            I am not trying to be nosy – it is just that I find what you are proposing to currently not be popular with many demographic segments in Ethiopia.

            Amde

          • Abinet

            Amde
            How do you say oldbadtimes in Amharic ? A say
            Yalefew kifu zemen.
            “Yasalefnew zemen destan yayenibet,
            Temeliso bigegn ahun min alebet”
            (Tilahun Gessesse )

          • Amde

            Lij Abinet,

            Allow me to slightly Ge’ez – ize it

            Tnte-zemen kifu
            sntun yallakefu
            qertew alarefu
            weTtew alterefu
            allu iyedenefu.

            Amde

          • Abinet

            Amde
            Just beautiful !!!
            Endihma ayraqequbnm.
            Yechewa lij tewardo
            Enchet leqema qola werdo
            Yigefawal qenun
            Gize yameTawun

          • Amde

            Abinet,

            yeqolla fre zaf afez-adengzot
            Cewunetum bezto memrer asgomZtot
            degiso bisewa hulet twlid Tebot
            aya zaf minu moN beqaN yet temare
            frew teneCena inCet hono qere
            gena yTebiqal Temtot indarere

            I am jealous of your ability to know the just right amarNa saying for the right moment.

            Speaking of which, is it true that during a debate in the parliament, someone from the opposition wanted to make a point and stated… “amara siterit indih yilal….”, to which an exasperated Melles is supposed to have responded “inen yeselechegn ye amara teret inna ye somali budget new”

            Amde

          • oldbadtimes

            Every Ethiopian except politicians consider Eritreans as brothers and sisters. But politicians are spoiling the climate. I am young educated Ethiopian who has no clue what the cause of Eritrean Independence is except the points i forwarded earlier which i found out by reading and asking elderly people. Politicians will always be afraid of the unity of Tigriyans and Eritreans as Menelik did. The same is true for the current rulers of Ethiopia and Eritrea. The is all the concept of divide and conquer agenda. Everybody in politics is afraid of this combinations for obvious reasons. Give me concise justification for Independence or disprove my Unification dream! Thank you sir.

          • Amde

            oldbadtimes,

            good luck with your quest. if you are young enough it is possible you may see it happen in your lifetime.

            Amde

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam oldbadtimes.
            .
            You have posed a bold question and observation. I would like to attempt a bold and a short response in a nut shell.
            As an old timer my belief was not much different from yours. Then, I lived and learned. This is where history is a good guide.
            .
            When Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia as a compromise, there was a distinct division in Eritrea. The Moslem Eritrea was dead set against being part of Ethiopia.
            .
            You see, they believed they fair better being a big fish in a small pond as opposed to surviving as a small fish in a big pond. That conviction still exists today.
            .
            The neighborhood Arab countries played a major role, for their own reasons, to create the current conditions. I am not convinced they are unhappy about our situation. To get to this point, there was a lot political mumbo jumbo played out and marinated the population in its juices.
            .
            So, good hearted oldbadtimes, unless you want to reset the past 60 years and replay it again for uncertain future, the status quo is better for ETHIOPIA, at least for the foreseeable future. In my opinion, unity no cooperation yes.
            .
            K.H

          • Abinet

            Prof Tes
            Your answer is not expected from an all knowing professor to a student eager to learn . Do you remember how crocos took his time to explain things for you where you didn’t even know the difference between a constitution and a law?
            Don’t you think you are showing a little arrogance or may be ignorance?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abinet,

            A minor correction to your comment:

            A constitutional document undergoes a “political process”. It becomes a “legal document” after it is ratified by an elected representative officials called the “Parliament or assembly,” and hence it is a constitutional law. If further explanation needed I will add later depending on the clarity I presented.

            Reagards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Aman, more explanation please, like in which stage can constitution be drafted, etc.

            ምልባስ ሕጋውነት ኣብየናይ ደረጃ ይፍጸም ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ : ኣሳታፊአ ዝኾነ ቅዋም ክኸውን ዘኽእሎ ኣሰጋጋሪ ምምሕዳር ብኸመይ ይጥረ ቅሩብ እንተተብርሃለይ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            The constitutional process has two stages:
            (A) the political process where all the political stakeholders and the public at large engage in the process to agree on (1) the “design of the state” we want to build, and (2) on the “nature of governance” we want to govern our self, which is very important especially for the political stakeholders (3) on the “civil liberty” what we call them generally “bill of rights” which are important for citizens and the public at large (4) the “guiding policies” on economic and social justice, which are important for development and social fairness. All these four points are settled in the political process. Now you could imagine yourself about the 1997 process whether it had a political process or not.

            (B) When we settle with the “political process”, it means when we come with a “political document” we all agreed (the stakeholders and the public at large), then we create a process of legitimization and that is to ratify it by the legislative body (the parliament or the assembly) duly elected by the people. Not as decided by the provisional government – which they have decided the quota of the governing party and the quota of the public. Once the “political document” is legitimized by a dully elected legislative body from our people, then the document is “a legal document” and serve as the supreme law of the land. Eritrea needs this kind of fair process unguided by a the ruling party. I really dream for that, for it holds the coexistence of our society and the stability of the nation. That is my take.
            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you very much teacher.

          • Abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            Thank you. It is clear. It was Prof Tes that didn’t have a clue about the difference between a constitution and any given law like civil, commercial , maritime , family, citizenship or any other law until crocose came and saved the day.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abninet,

            Once more dear, all the laws you mentioned above are drafted to observe the supreme law of the land, and that is the constitutional laws of the state. Let us not mix them. You can not speak about civil law or criminal law or others when you don’t have the supreme law of the land. I hope I am clear to you.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            thank you . It has always been clear for me . A constitution is different from any other law I mentioned . Some laws stay the same even when the constitution has changed for one reason or another . For example we had the constitution of derg . Now we have the constitution of the current administration . Two different constitutions. But , if you see the ethiopian family law or citizenship law, for example , the country is using the laws drafted at the king’s time. There was no dual citizenship before there is no dual citizenship now . It stayed the same although we have three different constitutions at different times. I think you understand me.
            I hope one day we will have a constitution that lasts longer than 50 years.
            Don’t lose hope on me . I’m a slow learner.

          • Guest

            Great Britain has written constitution, but it has all the other laws. It is one of the earliest democracies along, France and USA. What do you say about that?

          • Deogane

            Great Britain has no written constitution. Otherwise it is one of the earliest democracy along France and the USA. What do you say about that?

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Abinet,

            You better know that Eritrean independence happened in 1991 and formally accepted as a sovereign country in 1993. Then, I can’t spend my time on revising that process and explain from scratch why we did it. First of all he is coming with a preconceived idea. He should have dropped his conceived unrealistic imagination and accept the realities. More than this, you better know me that I am not a revisionist.

            Concerning Crocus, you always mix between politics and scince lectures. crocus did a wonderful scientific lecture and if I want thanks to IT era I can bring lots of rich texts I acknowledge though his ken interest to explain me from scratch. Are you in doubt of my ability to get information? Dear Abiner, I am a researcher and I know how to do research works. Therefore don’t make a blind generalization. But when one gives you knowledge for free like Crocus why not make a pause and take what might be important. This is what I did with Crocus.

            Concerning Oldbadtime, as his name indicates, he is regreting about the past. Let him spend his golden time regreting and trying to re-visit past history. I am not here to give history lectures. I refer history when I find it important to do so.

            Therefore, Abinet, let’s move on to the current challenges we have. As I hinted him, I could have been much happier to discuss on peace and development between the two countries. I wish I could but sorry let me first clear my room first and prepare myself.

            tes

        • Guest

          We in ethiopia have hard times to live each other in one country let alone to unite with eritrea.

          • oldbadtimes

            That is what it takes to rebuild a nation. We all know the depth of our backwardness, poverty and we are on the making of modern and prosperous Ethiopia which facilitates the integration of our nation with neighbors. But with Eritrea we are one family and that is hard to let go. This is the difference. Railways and other infrastructures will be built from End to End, and by then we we will feel and understand the importance of unity. Poverty is the main issue that is challenging our unity and when poverty is eliminated, all will be about Ethiopia not about Tigray, Amara or Oromia. We are making progress in that regard. Education is almost in every corner of the country and that is what it takes to greatness.

          • Guest

            Knowing ethiopia from ETV doesn’t mean you know about ethiopia ,it is actually the opposite .

          • oldbadtimes

            No i do not know Ethiopia from ETV. I know it from my rational observation. There is problem yes, but we are better off more than any time in recent Ethiopian history. If you are denying that we are in a better position, you got a problem. Forget Etv and find out the truth by your conscience.

          • Nitricc

            You are very honest person. Rear breed in Ethiopian poletical calture. The first stage of fininding a soluton is admiting there is a problem. It is interesting to observe to opposit situations. The Eritreans screem for a problem does not exist and the Ethiopians suger coding it for the problem stares them right on their face. Anyway i admire your honesty.
            If you guys can surivev this election you be Allright. I think but your problem is deep though.

          • Guest

            Let me be once again honest. Ethiopia will survive this election and EPRDF will win more than 90 percent of the vote as usual.

          • Nero

            Guest,
            When did EPRDF won 90% of the vote? I don’t think that has ever been the case.
            90% of parliamentary seats? That is most likely to happen.

          • sarah ogbay

            selam Guest,
            Are you trying to drive Nitric mad?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sara:
            Welcome back!
            Is this a figure of speech 😉

          • Hope

            huhuh Dotoressa,
            Nittric will never get mad and will never give up,either,but rather he will drvie people crazy.Look at his investigative report.
            The above comment/peice of info tells you in a nutshell the recklessness of the TPLF Junta.
            Mind you how many lives and dollars could have been saved had the vote was really democratic.
            Dr Negaso Ghidada’s report is well verified and respected by the CIA.This is the same Respected Politician,who exposed the TPLF Junta in a day light,which/who was caught with its/their pants down after they killed the Poor Oromos and dumped them in a house and detonated the bomb by itsefl/themselves(TPLF) and accused the GoE officially through the so called SEMG…..as if the GoE attempted a Terrorist Act at the AU Summit.You get what you see! or You reep what you saw!(Correct the English Prof,please).
            Any thing worse than this?

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            Let’s be serious now. The war was the best thing happened to ethiopia . We got rid of you once and for all. You were on our back from 91-98.
            Ethiopia legna, eritrea lenante
            Any problem?

          • Hope

            Gu’ad Abi,
            In Tigrigna,we say:”Hakki merrar Eyya”–as you might understood it as you seem to have some Tigreyan origin–but still hakki merrar eyya is close to Amharigna–‘Hakk/ewnet merra nat”;or truth is bitter.But it is what it is though.
            So,you are telling me that you care less about the 120,000 plus ethios who perished for NOTHING and their poor families.
            Plus,you seem to have no clue about the chronology and etiology of the war,albeit purposely.
            My point:
            You could have gotten rid off us easily and peacefully.,ya Mr War-Monger Akaki Zeraf gurregnaw wahid!
            As to who took advantage of who:
            Consider the simple math,which we have talked about over and over:
            If Djbouti is charging you $1 billion per yr;then you got $1 billion x7= $ 7 billion for free and you could have gotten $15 billion more for free for the last 15 yrs if you kept the Peace /stauts quo of 1991-1997.
            The max Eritrea got was less than $500 billion over 7 yrs ,which is nothing compared to the $22 billion( plus the $100 billion you owe us from 1952-1991).
            Not to consider the more than $100 Billion worth in material and human damage (over 40yrs) related compensation,which we forgave for the sake of Peace.

          • Hope

            Read “the max Erittea got was less than $500 Billion as:” less than $500 Million;as the $500 billion would be the amount you owe us,for God’s sake.

          • Nitricc

            Uncle Hope; Abinet high on something, lol he says, he got rid of us; really. I need your help; make sure Abinet watches this link and I need your help Identifying Abinet him self. I think he is the one standing behind the General.
            Listen to the lecture and compare that with Abinet’s lie.
            http://www.theeibc.com/eritrea-come-see-documentary-2014/

          • Hope

            Nephew Nittric,
            What a concise but comprehnensive and to the point summary of our complex history,ups and owns and successes.
            Gu’ad Abinet et al know well beyond that but..here is what the Bible says:
            “Ezni enkelewom,kisemu’ aydeleyun;Ziri’eya a’enti enkelwom kestew’ulu aydelyun”..
            Roughly translated:”While having good (hearing) ears,they opted NOT to listen;and despite having good eyes,they opted NOT to pay attention”—any one is welcome to correct the statement but the concept/message is clear.

          • Abinet

            Qesh Hope
            My favorite bumper sticker :
            “Please God protect us from your followers”
            You are a good sport . I love messing with you until I see the invoice.

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            1st I do not understand Tgrigna.
            2nd didn’t I tell you to send the invoice to God for the port use . Only God afford that amount.
            Besides, he is our co- signer . He is always with us.
            3rd we rather pay 10 times for Djibouti than free port from eritrea. There is no value you can attach for a dependeble neighbor . Some things are just priceless . For everything else there is MasterCard (in our case God)
            4th anta ginay
            5th yeqenyeley

          • Hope

            Gu’ad Abi,
            That is right ;and ONLY God can afford that cash and that was my point as PMMZ,RIP,said it correctly.
            You owe us something you will never afford—
            Dependable neighbor?You are still Janhoy’s and Menghie’s student?
            You see,Abi,do NOT push me to hit you back harder with adjectives you have never heard of as you told me that I am “Ginay”.
            “Ginay” is even worse than “idiot” from Medical Terminology point of view.I do not want to define it for you but ,please refer to Rahwa et al.Or to the New Tigrigna-English Dictionary.
            Here is another Math Home work for you-if at all you have a Third Grader’s brain:
            –60-70% of Eritrea’s Land is full of Gold,Silver,Copper,Zinc,Marble
            -Bada and Colluli,which is less than 1/50th of Denkalia Region,has more than $500 Billion worth Potash with over 150 yrs of Mine Life
            -N Massawa has huge Gas and Oil potential–believed to be more than Saudi Arabia and Qatar based on the Economic Intelligence Report–based on the latest sesmic asst of that Particular Region
            -Erirean Red Sea has one of the BEST NaCl in the world,worth of more than $150 Million per year income potential
            -Eritrean Red Sea has a potential of more thnan $200 Million worth per annum income from Tourism alone
            -Eritrean Red Sea has some of the best Fish in the world-worth of more than $200 Million per annum income potential
            -Eritrea has one of the best/biggest Agro-Animal Industry potential in Africa
            -In the futrue,the Red Sea Dam will be the best,cheapest,cleanest Energy Source–for the whole Africa and Middle East.
            You bet you should love Sports, in an Eritrean Style though, besides me entertaining you for free,as we were the ones,who—-made you to be proud-huh.Can you deny that too?
            Here you go,then your “Dependable Neighbor,in your day dreams,of course”.
            Let us talk in 2 yrs from now,Abi, and we will see as to who is “dependable”,rather than judging us when we are in an “Unlucky situation”.

          • Abinet

            Nefse
            My apologies to call you ginay
            My eritrean neighbor always calls my son ginay. She loves him dearly. I got it from her and I thought it was not that bad to offend you. May be it is not appropriate for an adult.
            I’m salivating to know the potential of eritrea. I will do anything including war to bring you back .
            i think DMHT is doing the ground work. I heard there are more DMHT than eritrean youth in asmara . In two years we control keren , assab, the gold mine….in 5 years we control the whole eritrea. The plan is working like a well oiled machine. You see IA invited us to take over eritrea . We don’t disappoint him . As long as he stays in power we are ok. Just give us 5 years and you can apply for ethiopian passport .
            I’m ready for Red Sea fish on massawa beach . You still have meloti beer? Don’t worry I’ll bring addis beer. Tastes the same.
            Meet me on Godana Harinet. I think we need to change the name of that godana. How about meles godana? Or menged mengistu? We will erect hailesselase statue.
            You see Hope? I’m very hopeful.

          • Hope

            Hihuh Abi,
            I do not take things personal—I was trying to mimic Sen the Satirist.
            U R right and your neigbor is right as we use that word routinely.
            Please,do NOT chase that neighbor.
            It was a joke.
            Melkam lelit yenie wondim!
            Again,nothing personal–specially with you,under any circumstance.It sounds like I konw though.

          • Hope

            Bitsay Abnet,
            Kem tub adekha kibetsa —-Ertra.You lost the Opportunity in 1998.
            Demhit along with PIA will be captured like derghi and will be deported soon.

          • Abinet

            No no no
            Demhit is getting stronger by day . We send them a chopper last month with a pilot . We are processing their request for more . Isu chisu amele bisu will provide the rest as he is doing it right now. I can’t wait to control Karen . I will appoint you as my representative to keren.
            MirT mirTun leKeren
            The plan is to take back eritrea by 2020 . We are already training future eritrean leaders in different universities . In case you don’t know where Haile TG is, he is in addis supervising and giving motivational speeches to the would be leaders. I invite you to join the effort.
            Meet me in keren for a good tea. I will bring the whole berad. Do you know how to make ful?

          • Nitricc

            Guest why bother though? I mean they are wasting huge amount of resources to do the fake election. When they decided to go war with Eritrea the subject was up for voting and out of 20 voter participants 17 opposed to go war 2 favored war with Eritrea. I guess the chairman did not vote, that way I think adds up to be 19. and still the two votes counted while the 17 were ignored and TPLF went all out war with Eritrea. this kind of joke is played in Ethiopia. I agree TPLF will win again and there is danger to it. you can not fool 80 million people every 5 years for ever.
            Here is the link for the 2 votes that counted while the 17 ignored. What a perfect democracy you have in TPLF land.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doFSCtlBmFY

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Hi Sir/Madam,
          You say you don’t know there is clear evidence than any Eritrean supported Independence: here is a very simple help, please refer to the indernationally monitored and endorsed referendum from 1993, where 99,9% of those voting supported the Independence.
          If you’re Ethiopian, which I guess you’re, just try to perfectionate and further develop your democracy; right now we Eritreans are engaged in the business of ridding ourselves out of a vicious dictatorship, not unity or integration.

          • oldbadtimes

            Hi Abraham,
            I heard about the 99.9 % sweep Yes for independence and No for Slavery. I even wonder why it is not 200% 🙂 yes for independence.But as rational Ethiopian, i cannot get the cause of independence besides to the dismay of Eritreans towards the former rulers of Ethiopia. 99.9% yes for independence does not mean anything when you compare and visualize the suffering of Eritreans by then. We Tigrewet even suffered as much as Eritreans. Tigray Independence? Oh..give me a break. That does not make sense and is uncivilized and backward mindset for me. Suffering of Eritreans by the then stone head and hardheaded Ethiopian rulers cannot be justification to independence to me. The concept of Independence by the way is breed by the Colonizers as we all know. But i do not see any genuine reasoning and justification if i am not lacking knowledge in regards to this issue. Thank you!

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi;
            It is better for you not to spend your and others precious time on nonsense. Good luck with your quest about the puzzle of Eritrean Independence. Where were you all the decades, sleeping, or are you new born? Please go and refer to history. Just concentrate on your Tigray business.

          • oldbadtimes

            There you go. 🙂 Hot air out there. Calm down and backfire on my kudos unification dream with 1,2,3,.. reasons not by shutting it up all together. Wherever i might have been so far, It is not important and too late to dream the best for the people that is UNIFICATION, as the Germans did! All this idea begun when i fall in love with this beautiful Eritrean lady residing in Addis Ababa. We do not bring the unification issue into our love affair as we are already unified in love. But my rational mind keeps asking that why did we separate in the first place? The culture, the language, the mind orientation, the behavior, the everything is just as if we are from the same village. No difference at all. I think we will get married as well. That is what my inner being and instinct is telling me. But all of a sudden the issue of unification came into my mind and wanted to research and explore the real cause and cornerstones of the Eritrean Independence. I have been reading some resources and all revolve just around one thing. And i asked intellectuals who i believe have good knowledge of the independence. But still the same thing, and that is why i dream Unification is the way out from these messes. Not for mere marriage issue, rather for the best of the people of both nations. Economic prosperity, human development, political depth, and many more strategic questions would be answered much more appropriately if we are one nation. Ethiopia is endowed with many natural resources enough for both of us and Eritrea is the gateway to the whole world through red sea. Ethiopia is building railways spanning into all neighbors while Eritrea would have been the easiest and accessible way to the rest of the world had we been one nation as before. Eritreans would have been benefited from this share a lot if all the railways were branched from the Ports of Eritrea. I do not think two state solution is the best way forward as is for PALESTINE AND ISRAEL.PALESTINE AND ISRAEL cannot be one nation as their difference is much more stronger, which is rooted in their blood vessels, than what makes them similar. But Ethiopia and Eritrea case is completely different from these hostile nations. People to people relationship is so good and i believe that is what it takes to be one nation not the relationship between politicians. Unification in all angels is much stronger and more beneficiary for both people of the nations than separate states. I know awate.com since i was in university some years ago. And that is why i forwarded my argument on this channel only with the quest to know that what the thinking of my Eritrean friends would be in regards to unification. But no concrete and precise justification for the independence yet. Every Eritrean seems engraved and messed up with the difficult to imagine horrors of the former Ethiopian rulers satanic action than with real rational and deep justification of the Independence using 21st mindset and language. I am waiting for the unification messenger as the unification messenger called LOVE did with me and my girl friend case. Thank you and wedehandkum.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Remember you are raising an issue that was closed in the 20th C. We are in 21th C. Your argument is closed. Go and enjoy with your girld friend and I wish you a good time.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Hi Amanuel;
    Yes, I admitt indeed, it s the wrong and failed policies of a single clique, not the whole EPLF/ PFDJ rank and files that have to be responsible for the ills of today’s Eritrea. Unlike, you, I don’t put all the members in the same basket to satisfy my selfish and dirty politics.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Haw Abraham

      An organization’s success and its failure is explained collectively . It I is defined as a compact organization with a structured system and its leadership. Not by the role of individuals but by the collective roles. Its success is collective as well as its failure. Do we give the success of the organization to issayas and his clques. No absolutely not. Who told you there are not good people in it. That explanation comes when we want to explain the role of individuals. So avoid such argument as the success and failure of an organization is explained collectively. The evils of the organization currently as systemic organization is squarely belong to the organization as the success of our independence is. Sometimes we have to know what we are talking..

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hi Amanuel,

        I have a different look at the issue. I differentiate between various stages of the organization: the EPLF era, the years immediately and after the Independence until the formation of PFDJ, the process that led to the ratification of the constiution, the war time, and the aftermath of the war until now. It is my understanding that the EPLF was far more effective and democratic considering the atmosphere it was operating in, it was a liberation movement, and despite of some negative developments, it could be said it was a decent organization with clear agendas, and collective leadership. This situation continued until the formation of the PFDJ. But after the formal Independence and after Isayas Afeworki was elected as president from among the National Assemby, the situation begun to change dramatically. The collective leadeship that was the norm during the struggle, begun to show serious problems, because the president started to take increasingly single handed decisions, and there was a confusion of roles between that of the PFDJ and the government. Many of those leaders who had a decisive role during the liberation struggle felt that they were increasingly sidelined, and had a minimal impact in the formation of the policies of both the PFDJ, and hence the government.

        As an example to this monopolizing of power by the president, we can mention the PFDJ Central Committee or even the Executive Committee never had a single meeting to discuss issues and policies of the organization. This was one of the main reasons why the majority members of the Executive Committee decided to challenge the president’s single handed policies and demanded a meeting of their organization to address these issues. We’re basically speaking about an organization and a process that was hijacked by a single individual and his security apparatus.
        Under such a circumstance it is wrong and unfare to claim that the organization as a whole should be responsible for the mistakes committed, because we know what had happended to those who had tried to correct the direction from developing towards abosute dictatorship. It is unjust to claim that members or even leaders of an organization who do not have a say in the affairs of their organization to be responsible for wrong policies taken by the dictator.

        At last, I know why people like Amauel Hidrat are trying to put all members or anyone who had or has a role in the PFDJ as responsible for the disaster of today: they are trying to justify their unrealistic and wrong belief that change in Eritrea cannot come from within Eritrea, but it has to be imposed from outside in some sort of mana.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Abraham,

          Don’t forget EPLF brought our liberation into a conclusion by allying with foreign forces. I saw it myself as brilliant strategic alliance. Do you? Why it becomes a curse now Abraham. The issue of sidelining and sending them to unkown prison holes and death to his colleagues has never been a new after independence. He has been doing it throughout the entire life span of EPLF in the field. I would like to invite you to read a wonderful book authored by Colonel Tsegu Fessehaye Bahta, a member of the party in the field. The title of the book “Eta Hibe’Eti Selfi” – meaning ” the hidden party.” This party have liquidated thousands innocent citizen as they are doing now. This all excuses one man dictatorship did come in Asmara, it has been also in the mountains of Sahle. Don’t take my word read the book yourself, it is an eye opening. Issayas has a solid organization then EPLF and has a solid organization now PFDJ (only a change of name, and a change of personalities his to enact the organizational discipline). So guys stop this reduculous one man institution or issayas and his clique. Issayas and his clique has a solid organizational system. Get the fact on the ground and learn the story from those who were actors at one time wrote an eye witness of the fact.

          • Abinet

            Ato Amanuel
            Sorry to invite myself here . I know it is not my business. Please ignore if you don’t like my question .
            Based on your comment , one can conclude that you are reading from The Mighty YG book.
            He was saying the same thing you are saying. How are you different from him?
            Again , you can just ignore my question .
            Thanks

        • Semere Andom

          Heeding my good friend Mahmuday’s advice to consider past/history is bad when it is bad, future is on our finger tips and present is is transient, I yearn to stop discussing this issue, but when smart people like Ab Hanibal brazenigly make the fallacious claim of collective leadership before independence I get drawn. It is bad enough it is confusing people but such claims help the falsehood to be so entrenched.
          It is still mystery how those smart people where hoodwinked by IA and his alliance of killers to hijack the dreams of so many people. Before I proceed let me differentiate where I am applying collective leadership, I am applying it to things that really mattered to frame the direction and the strategic view of the organization and on how it looked at its freedom fighters and the Eritrean population. In this area it was imposed by one man and only one man and all the rest were rubber stamping whatever he wished. They may debate it to quench their “Qole”, they may strike committes to solve problems, they may burn the midnight oil talking about things, but at the end, when everything was said, debated and analised to the point of paralsys, IA words was the ultimate verdict. For sure he could not have succeeded alone, the rubber stampers were brilliant managers, superb professionals in the field they were assigned to and they made him look good and outshine his peers. He inundated them with paper work and bullied them and when I say he bullied them I do not mean the small time men around him, but those giants we sing and praise as military leaders and political geniuses.
          But yes, there were collective leadership when it came what kind of thing to buy, how and where to establish the clinic and how to dig/fortify the frontlines to better protect the “Dejen” and what kind of whisky to buy. It was Peros Solomon, the security chief since 1977, now disappeared for 14 years who said, “money was coming but we did not know where it came from, we just used it.”. For all I know the money could have come from his uncle, who was HS trusted man. Because we knew about DIA’s heavy hand after he was appointed president and after Eritrea was humilated in the 1998 war because of his arrogance and insanity it does not mean that there was collective, consensus based leadership. His behavior did not come out of the blue, the confidence and alliance he fostered in his hideout came handy. And the poor men around him were so impotent to do anything about it until they committed suicide by that letter they wrote to him.
          The interviews of Yemane T with Assenna especially how he DIA acted during the party congress in 1987 is telling. he was literally counting the votes Tesfay Temnewo’s book and the book by Tsegu, the writing of Aklilu Tewolde Zere are windows through which we see beyond the fogg that PFDJ creates to blind us.
          To IA, the freedom fighters were subjects, they were the guinea pigs to test his experiment, it worked beautifully and after independence he expanded the number of guinea pigs to test it widely how efficacious it was and it worked like charm. That is what happened. He did not suddenly got insane when he became the president and his comrades did not suddenly got coward or visionless. It was embedded in the very core of the organization

          • Abraham Hanibal

            To Amanuel Hidrat, Semere Andom, & Co.

            መቸም ሓንሳብ ዝኣተወ ሕማም ብቐሊሉ ኣይወጽእን እዩ። እዞም ተሓኤ ነበር ከኣ ካብ ሜዳ ካብ ትባረሩ ኣትሒዙ ዝለኸፈኩም ሕማምን ዝኣተወኩም ጽልእን ክሳብ ኣብዛ ዓለም ዘለኹም ኣይክገድፈኩምን ኢዩ።

            Whether you like it or not the EPLF was a popular movement that had a participatory and representative leadership, considering the fact that it was just a liberation movement. It was not only a military organization; but it had all structures of a government in the jungle with diverse types of social services for its members and the people who lived in the areas it cntrolled. However, it is not to deny there were no any illegal or unnecessary phenomena; but the positives far outwighed the negatives. And that is why the organization managed to lead not only itself, but also the Eritrean People towards the realization of Independence and beyond. It was an organization with vision and programmes for the estabilishment of a democratic and constitutional government in Eritrea.

            Unfortunately, this vision and programme couldn’t proceed its natural path, because it was diverted on broad day light to serve the interests of a narrorw clque, by the same clique.

            To Amanuel H.,
            You write “don’t forget EPLF brought our liberation into a conclusion by allying with foreign forces. I saw it myself as brilliant strategic alliance. Do you? Why it becomes a curse now Abraham.” Yes I do not forget that there was a cooperation between the Eritrean and Ethiopian organizations during the struggle against the common enemy of Derge. And that is to be seen as a positive and productive strategy of dealing with Derge. I’m not opposing that today’s Eritrean opposition groups could seek the help of outsiders: the issue is the Eritreans themselves should be the architects of the change. When people like you do not accept the idea that tose within the PFDJ, and the people inside the country in general cannot be trusted to be included, or be the main driving force of change, then it means you’re selling out the internal issue to outsiders. Because, in reality, there is no way the opposition groups could unseat the PFDJ regime from the diaspora, unless they enlist a force of invasion from outside.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ab:
            just a few lines:”Zeben Isaias ztsememe zban isaiias enda bel mote” come to mind.
            And you seem so proud that ELF was “tebarirom”. God help us if people this the theme that are weaving come to power. Blaming one man and blaming few years of independence in what ails our people is as dangerous the PFDJ to the survival and truth.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,
            I don’t know if you heard the saying in Arabic “Kheltet al shatr b’Ashera”, When people with good mind make a mistake it is 10 times. my friend ELF belongs to every one, DIA, and all others were in ELF. then almost all fighters in ELF joined EPLF after ELF left the field. in fact everybody has participated in the struggle giving priority fighting the Derg which was armed to his tooth. we were lucky then the world political balance was for our advantage too at the end of 80,s. but, but what all great minds told us was there. we had the worst germ with us. it is unfortunate the mass didn’t become the owner of this nation. so don’t forget both fronts belong to us, history is for all of us. bad or good is all our ours. now we are struggling to reconcile, fighting to make peace, to have a nation which belong to all of us. PFDJ don’t want that. that is all. the case is not history. just today they don’t want me to be part, they don’t want me to work for my family, they don’t want to respect my beliefs, they don’t allow me to leave in peace. really, really worst than Haileselas, worst than Derg in own land, I cant cultivate. so no peace, what do you want me to do? I want to exclude them as they have done it to me. in fact they have killed me and I have killed them. there is no peace between me PFDJ at all. they don’t have single humanity. my elders didn’t hear me in 90’s, my relatives didn’t hear my voice, today every body cry but still want peace with devil. PFDJ is not EPLF or ELF, it is not ours. this is the same group who sold ladies to Sudan high rank men to kill fighters. any other choice?

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            great!!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            ክቡር ኣብርሃም
            ብፍሉይ ነዞም ኣብዚ መኣዲ-ዘተ ሸኾርተት ዘብሉና ዘለዉ ትእምት ከምዘለኻ ብሩህ እዩ። ብዙሓት ኣባላት ተ.ሓ.ኤ. ነበር ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር ይኹን ኣብ ወጻኢ ብመስዋእትታት ኣሕዋቶም ከየላገጹ፡ ሃገሮም ከየናሸዉ፡ ህዝቦም ከየዋረዱ ይነብሩ ኣለዉ። ኣብ ሰማንያታት ዝተገብረ ረጽሚ ኣብ መንጎ ክልተ መሪሕነታት ዝነበረ ናይ ስልጣን ውድድር ዘስዓቦ እዩ ነይሩ። ክልቲኡ መሪሕነታት ንዓቕሚ ሰውራና ኣብ ዝተፈታተነ ሓድሕዳዊ ምቅትታል ሸሚሙና። ውግእ ሓድሕድ ኣብ ሰብዓታት መሪሕነት ተ.ሓ.ኤ. ከምዝጀመርዎን ኣብ መፋርቕ ሰብዓታት ህዝብና ብዝገበሮ ቀጻሊ ጸሎትን ሽምግልናን ደው ከምዝበለን፡ ፈተነታት ስምረት ይቕጽል ከምዝነበረን፡ ድሕሪ ምዝላቕ ህ.ግ. ኣብ ከቢድ ናይ ሞትን ሕየትን ምትሕንናቕ ዝገብረሉ ኣብዝነበረ ከይተረፈ መሪሕነት ተሓኤ ነቲ ዘዘልቕ ዝነበረ ውጉእን ህዝብናን ትካላት ህግን መዕቖቢ ዝኸውን ቦታታት ከሊኡ ካብ ዓራግ ብውግእ ምስ ተደፍአ ኣብ ስምምዕ ኣትዩ፡ ብትኡ ተዋሂብዎ ንትካላትና መዕቖብን መሕለፍ መስመርን ሂቡ። ጻዕርታት ስምረት ቀጺሉ ኣብ 1979 ኣብ ድምጺ ሓፋሽ ሓባራዊ ሰዓታት ፈነወታት ተሰሊዑ፡ ፈተነታት ይግበር ነይሩ።
            ንታሪኽ፡
            እዞም ውልቀሰባት እዚኦም ንርእሶም ጥራይ ይውክሉ። ነቶም ምዑታት ሓርበኛታት ተጋደልትን መሰረታትን ተሓኤ ኣይውክሉን እዮም። ፍታሕ ዘምጽእ ተግባራዊ መደብ ዕዮ ስለዘይብሎም፡ ንኹሉ ከጽልልን ከኽትትን ዝኽእል ራእይ ስለዘይውንኑ፡ ናይ ግዳይነት ኣተሓሳስባ victim mentality ከም መደብ ዕዮ ቀጺሮም፡ ኣብ ሰብዓታት ተሸኺቶም ሕጊግ ይብሉ ኣለዉ። ኣዝዩ ዘደንጹ ድማ “ከምዚ ነይርኩም” ክብሉኻ እንከለዉ እዩ። ብዙሓት ነኣሽቱ/መንእሰያት ስለዝልዉ፡ ቀቅድሚ እቲ ናይ መወዳእታ ውግእ ሓድሕድ ዝነበረ ኩነታት ክነግር።
            – ሰውራ ኤርትራ ክብ ከበሳ ምስ ተደፍኤ ሓይሊ ተሓኤ ነቲ ብመረብ ዝመጽእ ዝነበረ ግብሪ ሃይል ክገጥም እንከሎ ናይ ህግ ነቲ ካብ ኣስመራ–ከረን–ኣፍዓበት–ናቕፋ፡ ካብ ባጽዕ ብጎላጉል ኣቢሉ ክሳብ ቃሩራ ዝተወርወረ ( ብሓጺሩ ንህግ ኣኽቢቡዋ ማለት እዩ። ብምሉኡ እቲ ውድብ ኣብ ሓደ ሩባ (ፈልከት ንኡሽ፡ ካብ ሕሽክብ ናብ ኣልጌና ዝወርድ)ተቐርቒሩ ነይሩ። ተሓኤ ዝገጠሞ ሓይሊ ከቢድ ውግኣት ድሕሪ ምክያድ ንከተማታት ባረንቱ፡ ተሰነይ ምስ ኣቑርደት የላግብ። ህግ ንሓጺር ግዜ ንከተማ ከረን ካብቲ ካብ ባርካ ዝደፍእ ዝነበረ ሓይሊ ጽላእን ካብ ኣስመራ ተበጊሱ ድሕሪ ብዙሕ ምንሕናሕ ናብ ከረን ዝገስገሰ ግብረ ሃይላት ተኸላኺሉ ኣብ መወዳእታ እንዳ ተዋገአ ናብቲ ናይ መወዳእታ ዕርድታት ይበጽሕ። ካብ ናቕፋ ጀሚሩ ክሳብ ቃሩራ ዝዝርጋሕ 24 ሳዓታት ሓዊ ዝተፍእ ዕርድታት ተደኲኑ። ምስኡ ናብ ቃሩራ ዝወስድ ናይ ጎላጉል ጽርግያ ስለዝተዓጽወ፡ ለይትን መዓልትን ኣኻውሕ እንድ ጨደድ ኣጻድፍን ስንጭሮታትን ዝቐደደ ጽርግያታት ተሰሪሑ።
            ካብ 1979 ክሳብ 1981 5 ዓበይቲ ወራራት መኺኑ። ተሓኤ ልክዕ ብድሕረና ዝነበረ ኣዝዩ ደጀናዊ ቦታታት ሒዛ ኣብዚ ኩሉ ውግኣት ተዓዛቢት ነይራ። ሓንቲ ቦጦሎኒ ኣብ ከባቢ ዒላ ጻዕዳ ንሓጺር ግዜ ምስ ህሰ ዓሪዳ ነይራ። እቲ ወረ ብዙሕ እዩ ግን ብዙሕ ኣይገበረትን፡ ብኢደዋኒና ስሒባ።
            -ህግ ንሻድሻይ ወራር ኣብ ዝዳለወሉ ዝነበረ ግዜ፡ ኣብ ዳንካልያ ዝጀመረ ውግእ ሓድሕድ ብከበሳ ኣቢሉ ናብ ባርካ ይወርድ። ብወገን ባድመ ምስ ህወሓት ዝዋጠጥ ዝነበረ ኣሃዱታት ተሓኤ እውን ናብ ባርካ ይእከብ። ንሓጺ ግዜ ኣብ ሩባ ባርካ መከላኸሊ መስመር ተሰሪሑ፡ ሱዳን ዝኣተወቶ ናይ ምትዕራቕ ፈተነታት ይግበር። ኣይዕወትን። ናይ መወዳእታ መጥቃዕቲ ተገይሩ ጅግና ተጋዳላይ ተሓኤ ናብ ሱዳን ይድፋእ።
            -ህግ ኣብ ግንባራት ተመጢጡ ነይሩ። ንኣከባቢ 40 ሽሕ ዝኸውን ካብ ህግ ንላዕሊ ዝዓጠቐ ሓይሊ ዝዋጋእ ዕቑር ሓይሊ ኣይነበሮን።
            -ጠቕላላ ካብ ሓደ ብርጌድ ዘይበዝሕን ካብ 3-5 ዝኾና ታንክታት ዝተሳተፈኦ፡ ብከምቲ ዝረኣናዮ ኣብ ሓጺር ግዜ ፈርከሽከሽ ክብል፡ ናይ ውሽጡ ደኣ እምበር ሓይሊ ወያኔን ህግን ኣይኮነን እቲ ቀንዲ ጠንቂ ተሓኤ ዝነበረ።
            – ኣብ ህግ፡ ተጋደልቲ ተሓኤ ኣዝዮም እዮም ክቡራት ዝነበሩ። ኣብ ገግዝኡ ብዓበይቲ ጉጅለታት መጺኦምና እዮም። ሽሞም ክቡር እዩ። እቲ ጸገም ናይ መሪሕነቶም እዩ ነይሩ። መሪሕነቶም፡ ልክዕ ከምቲ ናይ ህግ ኣሳርን ዓምጻጽን ክንሱ፡ ውሽጣዊ ሓድነት ውድቡ ዓቒቡ ናይ ምስራሕ ጸገም ዝነበሮ እዩ። ስለ’ዚ፡ እዚ ሎሚ ንሰምዖ፡ “ህግ ደሞክራስያዊት ኣይነበረትን” ዘስምዕ ምውርዛይ “ሱቕ ደኣ በል ኣንታ ዓቢ ገበል” ዘብል እዩ። ተሓኤ ከምቲ ከምዚ ኣሕዋትና ዘጽምሙና ዘለዉ ደሞክራስያዊት እንተትነብር፡ ንህሓ ብሓይሊ ክትቅንጽል ኣይመንቀለትን፡ ንፋሉል ኣይምሃደነትን፡ ንበላሕቲ ነቐፍቲ ኣባላታ ኣይመጥፈአትን፡ ኣብ መወዳእታ ኣብ ከረኩን ብጥየት ኣይምተሃናኾተትን፡ ናብ ዓስርተተታ ዝጽጋዕ ደንበታት ተፈናጪላ ንሓይሊ ተቓውሞ ኣይመዳኸምትን (90% ወይ ከብኡ ንላዕሊ ናይዘን ዛከባን ዝፈናጠሓን ዘለዋ ውድባት ኣባላት ተሓኤ ነበር እየን፡ ጀሃድ ካብ ተሓኤ ዝበቖለ እዩ። ኩለን እዘን ብስም ሃይማኖትን ብሄራትን ፈደራላውነትን…ታሪኸን ናብ ተሓኤ ይምለስ)። እምበኣርከስ፡ ባህሊ ደሞክራስያ ዘለዎ ፍልልያቱ ብዘተ ወጊድ ኢሉ ሓይሉ የሰስን እምበር እንዳሓደረ ሓይሉ ኣይመቓቕልን እዩ። ኽፍሊ ሓለዋ ሰውራ (ጀሃዝ ኣምን) ተሓኤ ኣዝዩ ጨካን መሳርሒ ጭፍለቓ እዩ ነይሩ። ባዕልኻ ጉጉ ግበር፡ ምስ ንጹሃት ኣባላት ተሓኤ ነበር ቀሪብካ ተወከስ።
            – እዚ ዘምጸኦ ዘለኹ፡ ንውድበይ ነበር ንምክልኻል ዘይኮነስ፡ ታሪኽ ናይ ኩለን ናይቲ ግዜ ውድባት ነናቱ ኣወንታውን ኣሉታውን ባእታታት ከምዘለዎን፡ ንናይ ሎሚ ጽምኢ ፖለቲካ ክተርዊ ክትብል ንታሪኽ ግምጥልሽ ምጽሓፍን ካብ ሓላፍነት ክትሃድም ምፍታንን ስንፍና እዩ።
            -ህግ ብጹእ ነይሩ ክባሃል ኣይከኣልን። ግን ተጋደልቲ ህግን እቲ ኣብ ጎኖም ዝተቓለሰ 75% ህዝብና፡ ዝነበረ ምረትን ጸቕጥን እናተጸመመ ግብኡ ዝፍጽም እዩ ነይሩ። ናይ ሎሚ ኣምራት ሲቪላዊ ግቡኣት እና ኣልዓልካ ምውርዛይ “ኣብ ኲናት ዘይወዓለ ይበክሕ” ዘብል እዩ። ኣባላት ህግ ግቡኦም ዝፈልቱ፡ ማንም ዘይዳፈሮምን ዘይደፍሮምን፡ ኩሉ ኣድህቦኦም ድማ ኣብ ስራሕ ዝጸመዱን ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ክርህዎ ኣዝዩ ከቢድ ዋጋ ዝኸፈሉን ካሕሳ ዘይጠለቡን ሰባት እዮም።
            – ኣማንኤል ንመኽሱ ኣማኔል ሳህለ ጠቒሱ “እነሀልኩም ኣማኔል መስኪሩ፡ ህግ ህውከት ሒዙ ናብ ዓዲ ኣትዩ” ክብልን ከዳምቕን ኣንቢበዮ። ኣዝዩ ዘስደምም እዩ።
            1. ኣማኔል ሳህለ ደሞዙ እንዳ ወሰደ፡ ተጋዳላይ ህግ ንልዕሊ 3 ዓመት ብዘይ ደሞዝ ከገልግል እንከሎ፡” ያእ እዚ ፍትሒ ኣይኮነን፡ ወላ ደሞዝና ንማቐል” ኢሉ ‘ዶ ይፈልጥ ይከውን?
            ኣይፈልጥን እዩ፡ ነቶም መጓዓዝያ ስኢኖም ፍቐዶ ብሎኮታት ቀንፈዘው ዝብሉ ዝነበሩ ስንኩላን ጽዒኑ ወይ ኣሳፊሩ ይኸውን’ዶ? ኣማንIአልን ካልኦትን ናይ ዘመነ ኢሰፓ ሓለፋታት ካብቲ ሽዑ ዝትከል ዝነበረ መንግስቲ ክምልእዎ ክጓየዩ ይረኣዩ ነይሮም። ነቲ ናይቲ ግዜ እቲ ህውከት ካብ በሎ፡ እዚ ሰብ እዚ ድሕረ-ኲናት ዝስዕብ ዕግርግር ኣይፈልጥን ማለት እዩ። ግን ኣይመስለንን። ብስራሕ ንራኸብ ነይርና ኢና። ኩሉ ግዜ ቁጡብን ዘይፍሱህን ሰብ እዩ ነይሩ። ህግ ኣባላቱን ደኣ ኮይኖም እምበር፡ ንዕስርተታት ዓመታት ኣብ በረኻን ኲናትን ዝዓበየ ሰራዊት ከተማታት ክእቱ እንከሎ ካልእ እዩ ዝረአ። ዝሰዓበ ዓመታት እውን ብዘይ ደሞዝ ሰዊእወን እዩ። ሓደ ስርዓት ዘለዎ ሰራዊት ጥራይ እዩ ከምኡ ዝገብር። ዘይንፈልቶ ጸቅቲ ስድራ ቤት፡ ብዘይ ገንዘብ ኣብ ከተማ ምንባር፡ ኣብ ጎንና ዝዓዩ ሲቪል ሰራሕተኛታት ደሞዞም እናወሰዱ ንሕና ንሽሂ ትኸውን እውን ኣይነበረናን።
            -ኤርትራ ኣበየናይ ብርኪ ጉዕዞኣ ተሓንኪሉ ንፈጦ ኢና። ህግን ኣባላቱን ንህዝቢ ክተላሊ ኣየድልየካን እዩ። ኣብ ውሽጢ ህዝቢ እዩ ተጋዲሉ፡ ብሰንኪ ህዝቡ ድማ ተዓዊቱ። እቶም ንህግ ዘካፍኡ ዘለዉ እዮም ንርእሶም ከላልዩ ዝግበኦም።
            ዓወት ንሓፋሽ.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Mahmuday:
            I rest my case. I will leave the rebut to your twisted history to those who were there, if they are willing , I am not going to mention names because they will ask me why I called on them. But someone should call you on these. Still vengeful tone , still beating and blaming the victim. And unrepentant!
            But one thing that stuck out here is you are blaming the people like Amanuel Sahle for getting paid while the freedom fighters were not paid. The point about the suffering of the free fighters without the pay is accurate. But the blame again should be on your organization which decided to enslave its tegadalati while it could afford to pay them at least for transportation to dignify them to visit their families. It is the EPLF who allowed the war prisoners military leaders to stay the fanciest hotels. drinking beer and it does not surprise me even if they paid for their dalliances too, while the freedom fighters were unable to go from point A to point B. The drinking binge and whoring of the EPLF leaders would have covered a meager pocket money for those who paid with their lives. We have see how corrupt the EPLF leaders were immediately after they took power. It was the start of humilation in the name of new country was done deliberately to rob them of their dignity while it was able provide them with stipend. It was the organization which did not plan about this that created the chaos and not those who were paid. Of coure EPLF differentiates between “hzbi” and fighters, it addressed the people derisively as “ghebar.” I am not saying the tegadalti faired well for siding with their leadership, I am saying that sad sight in 1993/1994 were tegadality cannot pay for the cup of tea was the making of the EPLF leadership not that of people like Amanuel Sahle

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            ክቡር ሰመረ፦

            እቲ ዘሕዝን ነገር እንተሃልዩስ፡ ኣባላት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ሓይልታት ኤርትራ ናይ ጁባ ይገበረልና ጥርዓን ካን ከምዛ ዘይገበሩ፡ ጠለባቶም ድማ ብኣፈ ሙዝ ብረት ከምዘይተዓብሰ ሓውና ነቲ ታሪኽ ክዓባጦን ኣብ መን ተኸፍለን መኣን ኣይተኸፍለን ሕሜታ ጎደናታት ኣስመራ አንክቕየር ከሎዩ ዘጉህየካ። ጭቡጥ ሰነድ ደኣ የብለይን ኮይኑ እምበር፡ እዚ ምሳና ዘሎ ኣዘንታዊ ታሪኽስ ካብቶም ኣብ 1990ታት ብኣሽካዖላል መሪሕነርት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ቀርሒኖም ካብ ዓዶም ተሰዱ ናይቲ ሽዑ ምሁራት ካድረታት’ዶ ኣይመስለካን? የዋሆም እቶም ናብ ምንም ዝኸድዎ ዘይነበሮም ተራ ኣባላት ህዝባዊ ሓይልታት።

            እቶም የውሃት ደኣ ሕጂ’ውን ዘይ ከምሰቦም እንደኣሎም ተወጺዖም። አረ ዘግሁየካስ ናብ ደገ ሃዲምካስ ቪቫ ኢተገመነን ኢሳይያስ እንክብሉ ዘይሓንኩ ምዃኖም’ዩ። አረ እቲ ሓጎሶም’ሲ ወሰን የብሉን። ኩላ ኣዳም ኣሰሮም ምስዓቦም ሕጉሳት’ዮም ዝመስሉ። ኣእምሮ ደቂ ሰባት’ኮ ብዙሕ’ዩ ባህርያቱ። ንኣንብሳ ዘባረረ ኣንበሳ ዩ’ነገሩ። እንሆ ድማ እቲ ንክንደይ ምዖታትን ምሁራትን ተቓለስቲ ትሕቲ መሬት ዘስፈረን ሓያሎ ድማ ኣብ ዓዲ ጓና ዘስፈረ ስርዓት ኣንበሳ ኣስመራ ከይስበሮም ኣንበሳና ይንበረልና እናበሉ ኣብ ፈቐድኡ ኩርንዓት ዓለም ድምጾም ይስማዕ።

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Mahmud;
            Thank you for the history lesson. I stay corrected if my previous message looked as a gross generalization as regards former ELF members. My targets are, as you’ve correctly put it, those who couldn’t look forward, but are still stuck in the events of seventies, and eighties, and are doing this to distort histroy, for the sake of selling a cheap propaganda.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Your argument is still the same. There is no cheap or expensive propaganda. Former ELF freedom fighters and now within the opposition camp are fighting for FREEDOM. And former EPLF freedom fighters and now within the opposition camp are figthing for POWER.

            Today, the opposition camp is broadly divided in two: those who are fighting for FREEDOM (dismantlers) and those who are fighting for POWER (Reformers). Unless we accept the existence of these two camps, removal of PFDJ from his barbaric actions is impossible. Surely, PFDJ current leaders will be killed and another force will come and lead the country. But FREEDOM will not be achieved. Therefore, today we are in a cross-roads.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amhmuday,

            I thank you for the revised and political history of EPLF. But, I would like to remind you that for every action there is a reaction. And I can’t simply buy your history of narration though the other side (EPLF) history is not false. There were reasons for every confrontation between EPLF and ELF. And analysing today’s PFDJ political thinking, ELF leaders were right not to agree with EPLF leaders.

            I agree with you that EPLF is a highly disciplined, strong guerrilla freedom fighters and I am no doubt also with the ELF fighters. But when I see it now, ELF leadership was looking for more matured two ideas existence within the struggle while EPLF leaders for one and only one idea in the field. I couldn’t conclude that there were other basic differences on other national issues. ELF was looking for the existence of two parties within one front but EPLF was looking for one party and one front just like today PFDJ.

            The other phenomenon were occasionals. Someone will come thinking that he will be respected and the other will welcome thinking that he has being accepted. Respect and accept are two different big political terminologies and when they are not handled accordingly confrontations are always theer.

            Concerning Salary, dear Mahmday, this is where were refusing the PFDJ system. One can’t be a slave while the other is free. Unfortunately, in the PFDJ era, this is a common phenomenon. When tegadalay is getting a full salary (no matter how much it is), agelglot are taking pocket money. Why this kind of strata within the same society? When something is done, its consequence must be studied.

            If paying Amanuel Sahle his salary and Tegadelti without was rational at that time, for a wise person, it is rational now too. If EPLF decided at that time what he did was right, then, Amanuel Sahle’s was right too. This is a simple logic. The opposite is also true. If EPLF was wrong at that time and so is wrong for paying someone and not paying the other. This is what it should be our argument.

            EPLF after independence followed a wrong policy. The biggest policy he did was to hand power to PFDJ. The others are within.

            Concerning EPLF discipline, no doubt about that. But that descipline was created by pointing a gun at the forehead. Let me ask you by the way. Today, Eritrean people living inside Eritrea is highly disciplined soceity, no demonstration, no fighting, no disorder, there is proper handling of orders. And I am quite sure it is a hard work of PFDJ. PFDJ has worked hard to create disciplined soceity. No doubt about this.

            But, for a freedom loving person, what do we mean disciplined soceity? How do we create disciplined society? What is disceipline first fo all by the way?

            Dear Mahmuday, you better know that, there is no one, no one more disciplined than a “SLAVE”. Can you praise for a discipline the slave has showed you simply? You will see the slave working day and night hard and doubling his out-put.

            Two questions then?

            Have you ever asked why the slave is so disciplined?
            Did you ask what life is meant to him?

            The same goes to former EPLF freedom fighters. They were highly disciplined and hard working force. And their influence went throughout Eritrea. No chaos at all. I am the witness for that. I can’t be a witness for ELF as I could get a chance to see them as an organized force.

            My concluding question is: what made such big military power a disciplined force? Is it the system that was created or it is just individual behaviour? Or you think that there is another factor? Just curious?

            If it was the system of EPLF, then, can’t we say that PFDJ also inherited that system?
            If it is individual behaviour, can’t we see it today also among the Eritreans every where?

            tes

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            ብዙሓት ኣባላት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ሓርነት ኤርትራ ነበር ናይ ሎሚ ድማ ኣባላት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ንዲሞክራስን ፍትሕን፣ ዝተቓለስሉ ዕላማ ረሲዖም፡ መንእሰያት ኣከላቢቶም ስድራቤታት ፋሕ ኣብሎም፡ መሬት ድኻታት ሓረስቶት ዘሚቶም ኣብ ከተማታት ርሻናት ሰሪሖም ኣብ ማእከል ጎደና ሓርነት ኣፍ-ልቦም ነፊሖም ብዘይ ተማጓቲ እምባ-ገነናት ኮይኖም ይነብሩ ከምዘለው ከኣ ኣይንዘንግዕ። ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብስነ-ስርዓትን ልቦናን ይዕዘቦም ከምዘሎ ከኣ ነስተብህል።

            መዓልቲ ሓርነት ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ከኣ ነዊሕ ኣይኮነን።

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Abrhimo,

      I would like to ask you on the policy making process. Policies are not simply put. There are deriving forces to set policies. Policies are set from visions and over all missions and objectives. Visions are created from thinking. And thinking can be collective thinking, individual thinking, universal or world out look thinking, pure and original philosophical thinking or purely ideological thinking.

      In Eritrea what we have is an ideological thinking highly followed by individual thinking. On the ideological thinking, all former EPLF and ELF members influenced by Marxist-Leninist-Maoist brought their ideology in the development and framing of general PFDJ system. Then a demon named by Issaias Afewerki came in with his individual thinking and edited the framework accordingly. This greedy man used his position to infuse his dictatorial worldout look. Having edited and finalized, the whole group within the PFDJ, criminals and innocent welcomed the edited work and developed the PFDJ system. As DIA was by default the final to say, the other folks accepted what was done. All being from the same school of ideology, they never question what the boss said or made changes.

      Therefore, the said above working principle is a collective, collaborative but authoritatve work. No single PFDJ member is free in the building of PFdj system. But this does not mean that all were criminals. In the PFDJ internal working democratic process (social democracy), what is agreed is agreed and to agree is a must whether you like it or not. The majority say wins. And if you reject, it is known what it awaits ahead.

      Dear ABrhimo, lets not try to ignore the working procedure of revolutionaries. You know it better than most of us here. We can not ignore the working protocol of PFDJ and divide them into sane and insane individuals. They were there because they were good servants of the system. But being within the system cannot make one a guilty. Collectively PFDJ is house of criminals but when we inter inside we can easily identify who is who. But now, we don’t have any gate to inter unless we dismantle it and see the reality.

      tes

    • Kokhob Selam

      Abraham, I have one clear point for you in here. it will be very different from yours. I don’t want to cheat myself and others,
      See, no single man is free, we are all responsible, don’t shoulder to one man. don’t even shoulder to PFDJ only, not even EPLF but the entire nation is responsible. What do you say? but I cant put all in one basket as you said. the one who went to the almighty is no more responsible -he has done what he can and that is over. the one who lost his leg, hand badly injured is already a victim and should not suffer of responsibilities of all the mess created I believe. now, the same to the one arrested. now, I can’t shoulder equal responsibility to the one on power and the one free of power. I can’t shoulder equal responsibility to the one surrounded by PFDJ and the one free in USA. I can’t shoulder one very educated and one simple with little knowledge and experience, etc.

      from this view of point comes the birth of the idea that says change must be from our mind first. destroying one man or group will not serve us. we need to think longer and wider. But to do so we need target toward legal system. so the illegal group is the first obstacle, no reform can help and need to be removed.

      What makes PFDJ’s case antagonistic is they are against the process of democratization,and legalization. so, every difference can be solved except illegality.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all,
    A supplement to my earlier comments and a reply to dear Semere A
    A candid conversation between awatistas’ known bad friends (it’s long sorry).

    ደብዳቤኻ ብጽሞናን ኣንክሮን ትዕግስትን ኣንቢበዮ
    ሰመረ ካብ መጠን ንላዕሊ መጢጥካዮ…ትሮቦ ተመጢጡ። I was busy, so I Did not have time to respond this morning, I corrected only the part that I thought needed correction. However, while I read your comment (I never miss your comments, by the way), I see I have to endure another writing of a long Hateta.
    I wouldn’t expect you to play ኣሸካካዕ, play easy and cheap pranks, or is it a prank?
    is it a misreading or a deliberate deceit?
    1. I corrected myself for not being overtly specific (considering the delicacy/extreme sensitivity some of our good for nothing bad friends exhibit!, thanks to your correction, I made it clear that when I spoke about “mama Ethiopia or no victory” motto, I was speaking of the few who downplay our sovereignty, and who dismiss the capability of Eritreans in solving their problems. Any group or individual who push for the invasion of Eritrea is the target, those who believe in the potential of their people, who separate the regime and the state of Eritrea are not my target. It should be clear now. Furthermore, I wrote about categories and it wouldn’t be difficult for you to see the context in which some of the “catchy” words and phrases were used. But for more re-explanation:
    a/ pessimists or “no victory without Ethiopia= would cover those who debate for the intervention of Ethiopia in order to solve Eritrea’s political malaises; those who believe that Eritreans can’t sort out their problems; those who gave up on their people, very few. I don’t know of any organization that runs on that platform, and so, why would you make it sound as if I said all opposition groups and individuals were targeted? Why semere? That’s not what a good friend does, and I was correct in giving you the “bad friend” name.
    2. While criticizing the “lumping up” of all opposition, why do you, throughout your big Hateta ታይቶ የማይታወቅ ታላቁ Hateta, lump me up with PFDJ? And then you brought that DNA part?! Huh, your ሕማም ተናሳሕ! ተናስሑ…ዓገብ። Your are dead wrong my friend.
    I categorized the opposition as pessimists as explained in 1.a. and whose leaders could easily be identified (wink…wink), I am mainly talking about folks who come up here with this idea, yes, we do have them here. The optimists’ group, which contains most of us, but my focus being on the extremely exuberantly optimist folks who experience a rollercoaster emotional ride with unrealistic expectations; they are good people with lack of life experience on areas of mobilizing the people and connecting dots ( basically, bringing social change demands a changed political body which could lead the people, it needs a lot of soft and hard approaches, it takes studying and analyzing problems constraining the silent majority to rise up; It takes life experience to see if a certain news item could mean an indicative of an imminent fall of the regime…I like saleh’s article because it was impartial and objective; it could help both camps- pfdj and the opposition, and my call was to use it to our advantage, not to bury our heads in the sand as if riding the terrible mistakes of PFDJ and its crimes will do the trick, that “the opposition camp should not be criticized” notion is a slipping slope, it won’t do us good, or mulling around and considering the opposition as faultless, by default of being the opposition, is also not a smart way of expecting bigger results…)…The last group of the opposition are the realists. This group sees reality as it presents itself; PFDJ is united and has a base. The opposition is disjoined and bickering on issues concerning post PFDJ power sharing. This group suggests ወ ዓላ ራእስህም ኣሰይድ ኣርርኢስ ኣልሙናድል ኣልከሪም ማሕሙዳይ፡ we do a serious look into ourselves, that a self-reflection is needed (of course, maHmuday does it from behind his keyboard). But jokes aside, semere, we need to talk seriously, advice our leaders to act responsibly, to make grand compromises on all areas and show our people they are in fact leaders with a reachable vision and with the possession of the tactical aspect of leading us that vision.

    2. Malaria issue: You were not my target; I did not bring that to cover PFDJ failures…all that lecture was sent to the wrong student my bad friend, ( may be you meant it for dawitom, he appeared for a brief moment today). However, I am on the record saying that we do have good Eritreans who are sustaining life in the country, unlike you and me, really dedicated ones who will fall defending it if that is demanded from them…soldiers, doctors…teachers…civil servants…mothers fathers…OK. The malaria achievements, not only malaria, but a lot of good stuff that these hardworking citizens have achieved despite disastrous policies of PFDJ ( you may not like this line, but it’s true. Without these folks Eritrea should have been shredded to pieces long time ago); I say, we would be even much better have we had an accountable people’s government, remember the part of budget and census/information in Saleh’s article). I have never indicated I was giving credit to PFDJ, if you believe so, bring it on. I was merely mentioning the fact that the “pessimist” category of the opposition doesn’t like hearing good news coming from the country. I said that so many times in my short stay here. Nothing new.

    Let me quote you here, “The indignity, the wailing of those Dejen mentions of women, of children inside our Asmara and to try to bring a scale to outweigh the Malaria thing against the inflicted wounds, untold suffering as if we are under Haile Selassie or Dergi.”

    What is this? You are not joking, are you? Where did I ever advocated in favor of absolving PFDJ? Haven’t you read me saying: all good achievements belong to our people and all evils belong to PFDJ? ኣይግድን ሰመረ። I am disappointed.

    Another quote “…but you want them to act as the catalyst for change, to exchange their head, keep their body and then tell the opposition, we have changed our head, we have a new spare, we have installed it come one by one.”

    This is your own imagination, but if you want me to repeat what I SAID, I simply reiterated what saleH suggested, that the best choice would be for PFDJ to get pressured (this is because I believe in people’s power, in our domestic potential coupled with responsible diaspora’s role/input) to resume the democratization process. I would be happy to see that. But I know it is unlikely given PFDJ’s dogged resistance to share power, and the opposition’s failure to transcend unnecessary divisive internal squabbles which have been drying up resources. If you think this stance warrants your quoted answer, then that’s fine. You were somewhere between those who rejoiced at the murder of the constitution and those who condemned it. If you align more along the former, then, I expect nothing more than your answer.
    3. The DNA prank; bxay semere, opposing injustice is an Eritrean DNA; it’s not new, or you have a new definition of what “opposing” is? tegadalay semere, all the political interpretation of my simple description of the opposition is yours. For the readers, I hope I have clarified it. Regarding the stuff you said about Ethiopian based opposition, I never said they all advocate for the invasion of Eritrea. But I can tell you this, and this is regarding to their dependence/independence issue: as long as they are dependent on Ethiopia, they are not dependent on their own people. Clear?
    4. I call upon all of us to be serious. There is a difference between opinion makers and serious tacticians. Opinion making is reserved for the paper/keyboard/cyber warriors, of whom, unfortunately, you and me appear to meet the definition. While serious folks welcome serious analysis; they would like reading articles such as this one written by Saleh even if they hate the guy; I hope they are doing that.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear selamino,

    Bog elki resinki mish. Cool down. If you are living in Eritrea, cooperate with the within group and bring a change. If you are like us living in the diaspora join us. We are using all resources we have. If not, bzuh hiwik hiwik aytibeli. Cooperation between the diaspora Eritreans and Eritreans living inside the country joint and cooperative work is what the change will come about.

    Resinki aleki hakey mish?

    tes

  • Hope

    A Follow up:
    Dear Prof Saleh AA Younis,
    Now that you attempted-albeit tangentially, our failures and as to why we have failed thus far,I ask you kindly,to have a Follow Up Al-Nahda on:
    1)Detailed Analysis on our failures as an Opposition Camp/as to why the Silent Majority has remained silent(details,please)
    2)Detailed suggestions/analysis,case by case,as to how to learn from our FAILURES and as to how to improve our Renewed and United Struggle-Peacefully and Politically!
    I know you have done it before and the Forum/Opposition Camp as well but now we need it in a serious,realistic and aggressive manner in order to convince the Emperor to give up his Power peacefully.
    Remember that he boasted and even belittled by declaring openly that there is no such thing Opposition.
    And he is RIGHT.And we have a national,Moral and Legal Obligation to challenge him.
    he is very know in his divisive approach when he deals with his Challengers and and his own Cabinet.
    What he does is that he invites them individually and discussess issues the way he wants things to be done.
    Mr Dawit of the G-15 elboarted this based on his own experieince after the Emperor tricked them by using the same tricks.
    My point:
    Let us focus on those failures and weaknesses.Pointing fingers at the other Party is but a sign of further failure,weakness and lack of self confidence.
    -We need to be able to be United as ONE people,as “Hade Hizbi and Hade Libi”,in its real and practical sense.
    But the major challenge has been as to how to unite our Silent Majority.It is kind of a vicious cycle/circle.But something serious should be done if we want change.
    That is what Prof Ghebre-Meskel of the EPDP said in one of his interviews with Radio Naz of Halifax when the Panel was invited to discuss as to how to bring change and Reconciliation.
    We keep talking about Reconciliation and at the same time attacking,and belittling each other.For God’s sake, how can the other Party will be interested in chnage or Reconciliation when that Party is a “Winner already”,like what the Ethiopinas have done to us thus far?
    I hope I clarified myself.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear selam,

    That is 1980. And today, be sure that we can remove PFDJ system by sitting every where in the corner of the world. Thanks to the IT era don’t be angry though. I will be very kind for you if not my pen is able to reach you where you are and sure can let you jump twice before you respond to me.

    Remember, we are in 2015, 35 years ahead of 1980.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Semere A.,

    I second to you Semere Andom. It is shame to Mahmud to jump on the success of Malaria and bring his case. You have put it in a more smart way and nothing to add about. But I want to enrich your argument by example. The stop malaria project is initiated by world community. PFDJ has spent not a single sent on this project but benefitted from the hard currency he got. http://healthmarketinnovations.org/program/stop-malaria-project-smp

    It imight not be relevant to bring it here but I remember workers from the ministry of health who benefitted from this project by selling the anti-malaria insecticide to farmers. (Hold on, it is not for malaria prevention, it is an insecticide converted to a pesticide) This happened when the ministry of agriculture stopped importing pesticides, any fruit and vegetable growing farmers shut of their farm activity. Some smart but ignorant experts found that using the malaria insecticide can prevent pests and insects too. Then, they started to buy from the health workers and re-sell it to farmers. I remember the price was 300-400 nakfa per litre. The insecticide was distributed by the name of malaria prevention project and is freely distributed to all over the country. But greedy and selfish and irresponsible business people exploited this loophole and became active dealers between the health workers and the farmers. The saddest part in this business is that experts from the ministry of agriculture were involving in this business.

    Thinking back on what was happening and studying and knowing now on food safety and quality control and how insecticides, pesticides can affect our health condition when they pass the limit, I cry for my poor people. How much amount of dozens each innocent and poor Eritrean could have absorbed in his body?
    According to WHO, the use and application of malaria insecticide is much regulated and strictly controlled? And using the insecticide for vegetables and fruits and with no information at all on how to use and how much to use and above all its side effect when consumed is beyond my comprehension to figure
    its effect.

    And now, the stop malaria project, in which PFDJ has paid nothing but mobilized the people because it is important to do so, cannot be taken as a success of PFDJ policies. PFDJ as an institution has no single input in this project. Thanks goes to the courageous of the then minister of health. His personal
    charisma and dedication helped that project to be implemented in Eritrea. But soon after he was changed from the ministry and his replacement of today’s ministry of health has exposed the policies of PFDJ on the health sector. Now, the ministry of health is under the full control of PFDJ junta and is
    deteriorating rapidly. Malaria incidence is again increasing, polio is again attacking our young people, autism in newly born kids is more than ever high, diabetes is becoming a normal disease. Thanks to PFDJ policies.

    Dear Semere, Mahmud here appeared more clean but again failed to leave his old mindset behind. His derogatory words are high as usual, his pride is there. What he tried here and that I can thank him is that he came across the strata of the different socio make-up of the opposition group but terribly failed to
    delineate the boundary clearly. You have picked the most important characterization he love to come-up with but I would also to add some more flaws he came up with.

    1. He wrote, “We know what the dismantlement project is for. The dismantlement project

    calls for a confrontation of Eritreans against each other, it calls for a violent path.”

    I hope he did an error in this regard. SGJ wrote a full article regarding this and I believe that Mahmud is a rational and peace loving reader. I will leave this to the readers.

    2. He wrote, “…the author, calls for the aborted democratic process to resume noting that the likelihood that this will happen is almost impossible.”

    I don’t know how he ignored the democratic coup lead by EDF agenda of the same author that he is talking about and accuse others for not understanding the author’s call. Isn’t the author who is trying to abort the democratic process through his short-ct, selfish and greedy agenda of exploiting the EDF human resources to make a coup?

    tes

  • said

    My simple reading and my humble confirmed conclusions are that the challenges that Eritrea and the current regime Eritrea face are humungous that are not easily surmountable. The real big challenge is reconciling the immediate pressing socio-economic challenges that face Eritrea with the country and the current regime’ Eritreans ambitions plans for a sweeping socio-economic Eritrea development touching every aspect of Eritreans lives.

    There is no sincerity and determination of the current regime Eritrean while are not well founded and are not known and not publicized and articulated; garnering political consensus among the polity and not letting participating Eritrean political factions would never be metalized and guaranteed. Attempting to overcome Eritrea ’s current economic challenges and reconciling the pressing current economic needs with those of achieving meaningful economic growth and ambitious sweeping socio-economic development would render Eritrea not susceptible to external political pressures, foremost, from EU donor countries and countries suppliers of credit and capital and are not assured transfer of technology and know-how for many years, possibly a number of decades to come.

    Considering the important role that the Supranational institutions, such as the World Bank, the IMF and other major Western donor institutions are expected to play in aiding in the Eritrea realization of the country’s socioeconomic development plans, political strings would always render Eritrea politically susceptible.

    And not Exploding Eritrea’s demographics frequently branded in the current political discourse as one of Eritrea ’s inherent great assets that would provide incentives to foreign investors, equally carries inherent disincentives of enduring high level of poverty and illiteracy, along with generally lax work attitude that would hinder economic growth, economic development and would render it difficult to lifting the basic subsidies that do not burden the state and contribute to the recurring endemic and insignificant budget deficits.no one knows

    President and his corny team’s do not have ambitious plans for while Eritrea completely justified as the only course to pursue to catapult Eritrea to achieving the country’s potentials and its deserving place as a significant political power in east Africa , the huge investments required and engaging a motivated and well aware general public to realizing these ambitions would remain the litmus test that would determine Eritrea ’s success in the embarking on such an ambitious plan.

    Not exact or Some statistics have it that nearly high % of the people, Eritrean i.e. in millions people live below poverty line. Education has seriously suffered over the two decades in terms of quality and ability to churn out the number of graduates attuned to the requirements of the modern work place. The general mindset Eritrea has for long been conditioned to be at the receiving end and had not developed the participatory and critical thinking to be able to participate in the making of critical decisions affecting lives and Eritrea the Eritrean s’ wellbeing.

    The Eritrean government’s deficit currently stands at around, no one can tell you Nakfa s, Eritrean or no estimate of US$ millions each year. Of oil import and small subsidies represent the large bulk of that deficit. The Government is not under the huge pressure to generating new jobs to small new young fresh graduates, new entrants in the work force to the tune of thousands jobs every year. According to the Eritrea Government’s so called economic planners, the economy of Eritrea that’s currently growing at less than no one is sure no index to measure 0% annually would need to maintain a sustained economic growth in the coming years of more than as suggestion 1,0% annually in order to provide a mere new jobs if any to the new Eritrean entrants to the workforce.

    Eritrea, as is not evidenced in the early moves by President and his minister, are not quite keen on developing stronger ties and a felt presence in African politics and regional Middle Eastern politics. Motivated by very serious worries of politics,

    The Eritrean government appears to have the wrong t vision, with no broad and no ambitious, to cause a profound socio-economic development in Eritrea and restore Eritrea ’s geopolitical presence in the African and Middle Eastern regions. To achieve that, Eritrea need huge inflow of foreign/investment capital, the revamping of its educational system and the instilling of a new culture of corporate and business social responsibilities, all along with profound rethinking and restructuring of the Government’s knew schemes that require complete rationalization.

    The current regime Eritrean appears No intent on starting the democratization process evidenced by the freedom of expression and the building of true democratic institutions. no draft of a new, and no supposedly all-inclusive and no all-encompassing Constitution is not start or completion subject to all pending reviews and scrutiny by the general public. In any emerging democratic countries. This would be followed by new national elections to choose a new Parliament and a new Consultative Legislative Council. Besides, the Eritrean government appears no intent on garnering the engagement and support of the million of Eritrea of the Diaspora that a good many of whom, are highly intellectual and capable men and woman and may are prominent world political scientists and high achievers.

    for those highly achieved Eritreans are not coming forward to assist in Eritrea ’s new development plans.

    The challenges that faces Eritrea are huge; however, thus far, the regime in Eritrea appears to be putting its fingers on the wrong real ills, creating

    No public awareness of the huge challenges lying ahead and is NOT designing the kind of plans, policies and strategies for an all-inclusive plan to engaging all the in the decision Eritrean making process and in chipping in to overcome the huge obstacles that lie ahead. The mark of failed state.

  • Kokhob Selam

    in here I agree with you. I am not that far. In fact I am in Eritrea comparing with most. I am not free and PFDJ are watching me just in front of them. someone may think of my name but that all is open to PFDJ the only thing that makes me safe is my cost.I will explain to you on due time.

  • Fnote Selam

    Dear Tes,

    Thanks for taking your time to explain, I have now much better understanding of your vision. If you are willing, I would like us to continue our discussion. Please don’t take me as if I am out there to trip you, but rather kind of Enkan Haban discourse in order to iron out any rough ideas and understating that we may have.

    I would like to nudge a bit more on the PFDJ thing. I commend you for not attaching the name PFDJ to any particular group. However, you definition of PFDJ as a “system” needs more elaboration. Are you talking about PFDJ charter as whole or there are some aspects of it that you find absolutely unacceptable? If so, could you give us some examples. lets start with this and the we will take from there.

    BTW, the reason I mentioned Tegadelti is because I think they, as a group, have played significant part (mostly by being passive) in giving IA and co a foot hold to what they are now. I will explain in more detail some other time, lets for now discuss the PFDJ thing.

    I have to say though, you assertion that the opp groups need to find a common ground (which is plenty) is spot on. Can’t agree more.

    Best wishes,

    FS.

    • Nitricc

      FS don’t corner Tes to much; he will avoid you. lol

      anyway you said….

      ” I commend you for not attaching the name PFDJ to any particular group.”

      any system is functional because of the people who are excuting it. Tes, instead of addressing your question and identifying those people behind the system, he took the lazy way out by lumping in to one toothless “system”.
      so, Tes cheated you on the question you have presented to him and i don’t think he deserves your commendation. yes needs to identify those people who are running the system he is opposing and won’t reconcile with. again, it is his stand that is flawed.

      • Fnote Selam

        Dear Niricc,

        I am not trying to corner Tes and I am pretty sure Tes wont avoid me.

        Regarding not attaching PFDJ with any group, I was referring to how some people associate PFDJ with a certain groups of our society based on religion, region and ethnicity. He didn’t do that and thus I commended him.

        But as you said system is nothing without people who propagate it and part of the discussion I am having with Tes is to be able to identify those people and find way to ‘reconcile’ with those people for the good of Eritrea and its people.

        Regards,

        FS.

        • Nitricc

          FS, no, of course not. i am just having fun with my good for nothing friend, Tes. : – ) I asked him one very important question and yet to answer it. so, when i said he may avoid you, i am talking from experience. anyway, you guys are having a good discussion and please continue and sorry for interjecting. carry on please.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Nitricc,

        You better know that how I can cheat you. I have no doubt that I can cheat you at any time. The only skill that I am proud is, I can steal the mind of people like yours. You have nothing in your mind and I can take you where ever I want. Just wait the time to come. I swear though by that time you will hate me because I have transcended you unto yourself. You don’t want to be yourself but I am forcing you to know yourself. It is a very risk job but I have taken it for what ever consequence.

        Did you say, “…instead of addressing your question and identifying those people behind the system…” Are you talking with me or with your cousin sal? Make sure about your question and I will drop-by when you are ready.

        tes

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear FS,

      PFDJ charter is the product of PFDJ system. When I talk about a system, I am talking about the software that runs PFDJ as an institution. I never accuse PFDJ as attached to any particular group or sector of our population and thank you for understanding that.

      For me, PFDJ is a by-product of a hybrid ideology, an exact copy of North Korean Juche ideology and is derived from Marxist-Leninist-Maoist philosophy. It is a barbaric form of socialism. Having re-produced this ideology, it has outlined its charter 1994 and clearly identified its social, political and economic policies. Always the ideology remains at the top and any person assigned to the office of the PFDJ learns the ideology and becomes the tool for running the system.

      Dear FS, as I have read many of your comments, you are wise enough to know what a system is. I am quite sure that you want my own definition. To be frank, I don’t have my own definition of system as it is already well defined subject in the world literature. But, to make it easy for Nitricc, I will share this video as I know Nitricc is following our discussion and I want him to follow the flow.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrdMmtgpcG8

      The ideology creates the system and the system is composed of different components.

      Some of the basic system compnents

      Remark: This is my own way of defining the system components and I would like you to come with your own system component description.

      1. Absence of law: Law should not be present and hence rule of the jungle is utilized. That means anyone within the system has autonomous and unlimited power to perform its task.

      2. Social make-up: They hate diversity and especially mental diversity. hence, the system runs to narrow social make-up, hade libi hade hizbi slogan is aimed for that. To narrow diversity, they use very selective and limited media outlets. And hence, one TV channel, one news paper and one online service (Eri-TV, haddas Ertraand shabait.com). And all speak the same thing. No diversity. And remember, information dissimination is important for the building of social make-up.

      3. Economy: Everyone should have the same supply chain no matter what the demand is. The financial sources and lines should be controlled and directed.

      4. Politics: no need for multiple parties and what for.

      5. Power: very concentrated and tightly controlled, usually centered.

      6. Security: highly needed and terror is the means to keep it secure.

      8. Education: No need for thinkers and hence only technical minded people are needed. No need for big universities. College graduates are well enough to run the economic sector.

      9. stability: force is the means

      10. Human resource and especially cadres: YES sayers and that can perform a task without analysing the final out-come. They have to be smart enough to receive and perform commands without questioning.

      11. International relationships: no need as they always are greedy in their agenda to exploite.

      12. World view: Conspiracy theory

      Dear FS, I will be happy to continue iresponding you if you have more questions or if you need more clarifications. But first, let me make two things clear.

      A. What I believe is, PFDJ as a whole is anti peace, development, freedom, and humanity. Therefore, I will not go into it one by one and give you my opinions on every component. PFDJ system as a whole is anti Eritrean values.

      B. Make sure that in my dictionary there is no classification, groupings or advantaged and special higher ranking members. Everyone who is in the system must be good for it and one can not be present with the absence of the other.

      tes

      • Fnote Selam

        Dear Tes,

        Thanks for the detailed (much detailed than I anticipated) response. Now, it is very clear to me what you mean by PFDJ system. Now I want to raise 2 points,

        1. Now that we have defined the system (and as far as I am concerned, it goes without saying how evil it is), but do you think everyone associated with it are not be reconciled with? or are there certain individuals that are particular enablers of the system that should be avoided at any cost?

        2. You know PFDJ do not present themselves as you so articulately described them, they put a different spin to it with emphasis how Eritrean people have been victimized (which I think there is some truth to it and they are able to convince quite a lot of people). So how do we show the mass of Eritreans and even people who naively considered themselves PDFJ, the true colors of PFDJ and more importantly, how do we show them that PFDJ is not good for Eritrea (I think this is the easy part) and (I can’t emphasize enough how important this is) how do we convince people that there are BETTER ALTERNATIVES? BTW, this is not a Q direct at you in particular, just me thinking aloud and hoping we could continue to discuss it…..In my humble opinion, I don’t think calling Eritreans ‘uniquely mean’ or telling Eritreans their current misery is curse for separating from Ethiopia or Eritreans should apologize for their independence because it is the result of violence …is going to work.
        Please share with me how you think we can achieve this, I will also think about it.

        Thanks again for the discussion,

        Best,

        FS.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear FS,

          For question no. 1: I kindly ask you to drop the enablers or certain indviduals that you are mentioning. I don’t see the PFDJ system with certain group of people like that. They system has been built years before and in fcat it is an by-product but modified verion of the EPLF secret parties working sytem. Of course, the sytem was built by people but once it was set, everyone can run the sytsem; And the people hired to run the system, there are criterias. For example, YPFDJ is a perfect candidate for the system. Any Eritrean can be trained to run it and once he is in the system, he will perform all actions demanded by his task.

          For question no. 2: Everybody knows PFDJ as a criminal junta. The only problem is a sound number of PFDJ folks and some confused people who oppose the regime are not differentiating between PFDJ and a government. After continuous exposure of PFDJ atrocities, the people are now understanding the difference between the two but we need to work hard. But I am very positive on the achievements registered so far. The simple strategy therefore is to isolate PFDJ from the Eritrean life and build trust among the people themselves. When people come united, the governance system will be rightly established. Remember, we are fightig for a democratic system, the people to be governed by itself. Don’t take it as a literal statement. people throughout their creation were self-governed. Therefore, let’s continue isolating PFDJ (today about 60% has already been accomplished, result of my own guess) and once it has reached about 80% or around, PFDJ is gone. Let’s remember, in 1998, almost 100%. was not able to differentiate between the government and PFDJ.

          But sorry, this is becoming a discussion between us and if you want to continue, even we can make it by private text exchange or by phone if you are confortable with.

          tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Tes,

            Sorry for the late response. And I won’t bother you with the PFDJ thingy, but if I may I would like to to just point out one thing. Our discussion started with your statement regarding not reconciling with PFDJ and you did a great job of describing PFDJ as a system. As such it is easy to just say I am against this system, but in reality systems are not hollow things, there are people who make up the system, from those who dont know why they continue to associate with it, to those who want to change it, to those who forcibly enable it and everything else in between. So, I think identifying the different shades of PFDJ is going to be important going forward. Having said that,I just want to say this is a minor point to disagree upon and I will support your struggle against PFDJ in your own way.

            Regarding the second point, as you said, it is hard to find anyone not negatively affected by PFDJ, so I think our focus should be on convincing our people that there are better alternatives out there. I say that because from my experience, people (especially the youth) dont necessarily know there are alternatives.

            BTW, can I take the 16 points you listed that define PFDJ and make it to some sort of campaign brochure (with some changes)?

            Thank you!

            Best regards,

            FS.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear FS,

            It is good that at least the description I did has clarified my definition of PFDJ as a system. regarding the people who make make-up the system, as i said, the system hires people who will run it. There are requirements that need to be fulfilles for such positions.

            For example,

            1. Suppose a security agent is needed to run the office of PFDJ security office. The man who will be qualified should be good in creating terror and punsih people without no mercy. Birgader Abraha Kasa is for example the best candidat for this position. he likes torturing people, keeping them in underground and he perfectly knows how to hire who will work under him. But first, the system believes that terror is the only means to keep the society controlled.

            2. Controlled Economy: Hagosh Kisha is the best candidat. First of all, Hagosh Kisha is a graduate of economics from USA university. And when he was a student, he was involving as active member of the Eritrean Student movement in North America. He has acquired many experiences on how to smuggle money from the western country to the war front and he also mastered on how to collect money from the Eritrean society living abroad. More than that, he took experience on the black market activity of EPLF as he was directly or indirectly involving in the transfer of money. Then, the PFDJ system needs a man who runs its economic policy and Hagosh Kisha, first as an economic graduate and second having first experience on the illegal business activity, he will be for sure number one to fulfill the position.

            3. Information: Yemane Gebreab, as a graduate of journalism and a person who worked in the information and propaganda center of EPLF is a master guru in the brainwashing and infromation delivery needed during the war time. After independence, PFDJ’s political office was occupied by this well known struggle era information and propaganda specialist is number one. And remember that PFDJ sytem needs a very good propagandist and brainwasher. Therefore, Yemane Gebreab will be the best candidat.

            4. Power: It should be very centered, dictatorial and cruel. For this, DIA is the best candidat.

            You can continue the elaboration as such. but the core principle is, first the PFDJ system is designed in such away that people should serve the country. And to serve, aka slavery, you need the system and of course to run the system you need people. But lets believe that today may be hagosh Kisha, DIA, Yemane Gebreab etc are serving today and if they are gone, other candidates are always present searching for a job. It is a job and the one who is selected for a particular position should work hard for the mission. And PFDJ has a mission.

            I read that you asked to Amanuel Hidrat, whether it is a needed for people to agree on the defintion of the regime. Well, it is not a must according to my understanding but I believe that it will be good for our struggle. It is not a pre-requisite but a necessity to avoid unneccasy terminology conflict and hence it can be a blockage from proper and conscious reconcilation. The problem that I see is not on failing to understand the definition but rejecting somebody’s definition. For example, Amanuel Hidrat and I agree on the way a PFDJ system is defined but Mahmud and Abrhimo are not agreeing witho our definition of a PFDJ as a system. And we have a very rough debate regarding this matter. In fact, it is failure oof PFDJ characterisation that is dividing the opposition camp.

            Last, you asked me if you can use the listed above points for some kind of campaign brochure. Well, it is good idea if you find it good to use it and it is upto you. But I would like to tell you that I have put the points here in the awate forum discussion section and I understand that I don’t own them any more though I am responsible for what I said. The copy right is not to be meant for me but it belongs to awate.com. All I can assure you is that I am responsible for what I said but I don’t own it and if you find it good to use them ask AT.

            Saying this, I hope you are able to understand my broad comprehension about PFDJ. And I thank you.

            tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Tes,

            That answers a lot of the questions I had. I will read more closely and get back to you.

            Thanks as always,

            FS.

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Tes,

            Someone detail description of the operation of PFDJ and those associated with it was in part what I was asking you to delve in and thanks for clarifying. The Putin is analogy made it even more clear as to the dangers we could potentially face from resurgent PFDJ ideology or its central members.

            The reason I thought doing our due diligence in identifying those in PFDJ who should be sidelined vs those with whom we have no choice but to reconcile is to avoid alienating anything and everything associated with PFDJ similar to Baath party members faced after Sadam, or even closer to home, similar to how Esepa-linked Eritreans were treated after independence.

            I am not convinced yet that failure to agree on the exact characterization of PFDJ is the reason the opposition is so divided. If we are committed to bringing freedom and justice to the people, exact description of the enemy becomes secondary thing, IMO. I also think we should be careful not to make our sole goal in the fight is to get rid off PDFJ. In our previous struggle, we seem have to aimed for independent country and we got it but nothing more. So, we should be careful not to repeat the same mistake by just focusing on removing PFDJ from power.

            Thanks for the discussion.

            Regards,

            FS.

  • Nitricc

    ” …And I suspect that is not from ignorance but a DNA thing, not biological DNA for sure…..”
    I could have asked you to explain what DNA mean but after all you belong to the so-called toothless Eritrean opposition, so no need to waste my time.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Nitricc
      DNA in this context is a metaphor beyond the comprehension of self-admitted dumb and fearless toothy PFDJista

      • Nitricc

        Semere only you and the dedebit farad must be dumb enough to believe i am dumb. tata.

        you are so bright, you are shinning.

        ” ..And I suspect that is not from ignorance but a DNA thing, not biological DNA for sure.”

        Semere Andom

        • Semere Andom

          Now back to the bench. Multiply first then we will talk.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Awatistas,

    Amanuel Sahle’s words reminded us to make some introspection as to what brought us where we are now, the causes to our current realities, and the limits of our past struggle. Here are some of his reminding words: “ሰላሳ ዓመት ዝወደበን ዝተወዳደበን ውድብ፡ ናጽነት እኳ እንተ ኣምጸአ፡ ሰላምን ቅሳነትን ብልጽግናን ሓድነትን ስኒትን ግን ከምጽእ ኣይከኣለን። ሰላሳ ዓመታት እተቓለሰ ውድብ፡ ንኤርትራውያን ነታ ጥንታዊትን ናይ ኣቦታቶም ሓርነታዊ ሓበን እኳ እንተ መለሰሎም፡ ኣብታ ሃገር ኪቕመጡ ግን ኣየፍቀደሎምን። ሰላሳ ዓመት እተጋደለ ውድብ፡ ባንዴራ እኳ እንተ ኣምጸአ፡ ህውከት ሒዙ እዩ ንኸተማ ዝኣተወ።” Amanuel’s mind always contemplate and understands reality beyond the average intellectual mind of Eritreans. There are few who are in that club-of-intellect.

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Kokhob Selam

      He put things simple but deep to mind.
      “ኩሉ ሰብ ነዛ ዓዲ (ኤርትራ) ገገዲፉዋ ይኸይድ ኣሎ። ኤርትራ ሰብ ነይራ እንተ ትኸውን ከምዚ ምበለት ነይራ ’ኩሉ ገገዲፉኒ ከይዱ፡ ኣነን እህህታን ጥራይ ተሪፍና’። ስለዚ ንኤርትራ ብሓቂ ክንክሕሳ እንተ ደኣ ዄንና ካልእ ተሪፉ ኣብ ዘዘለናዮ ኣእምሮና ከነስፍሕን፡ ልብና ከነዕብን፡ ክንመዓዓድን፡ ክንከባበርን ክንሳነን ክንጸዋወርን ይግበኣና።” He is among those who tried to work in Eritrea but failed because it was not his real place. Luckily, he is alive and we are suppose to learn from him a lot.

    • Peace!

      Hi Emma,

      Sorry Emma, Tigray Tigrigne hallucination with all of its sugar-coated phrases is nothing more than a form of historical perjury.

      regards

      • Nitricc

        Peace Aman-H is obsessed with Tigryans ; i have no idea why. the other day Dr.Sara spilled what all the Amen-corner.

        The woman said it, in a black and white. she said.

        ” I would say ‘they would be done what they did to the Eritrean people’ period.”

        what they have in mind is not justice and the best interest of the people but Revenge.

        Semere come defending Sara like no other.
        Aman came defending Sara with no shame
        Tes came out armed with his chauvinistic-ism and defend her.
        What this people want is not secret. they want TPLF to control Eritrea destiny and we are saying over our dead body.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Haw Peace,

        I hope you are from the young generation. If you are, Amanuel Sahle’s message was specifically addressed for the young Eritrea generation, and it isn’t to my generation – the generation of ghedli. The message was intended to salvage our youth in particular and the nation in general. He is reminding us about the need of “ኣግፊሕካ ምሕሳብ.” There is no “historical perjury” to have “broad thinking” for understanding the nature of our politics and its relationship with the geopolitics of the horn. In the era of globalization, our politics should be adjusted. While we are standing for the interest of our nation we must also engage with countries around us and beyond. This is what Amanuel Sahle alluded about “ኣግፊሕካ ምሕሳብ.” Again if you are from our young generation, you will understand the meaning and essence of his message with incremental growth of your wisdom. As much as you are respectful I will keep engaging with you. Let your nickname “peace” blossom among us.
        Regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Amanuel H.,

          Habtna Peace! is talking about political stance if I am not mistaken and hence I can see miscommunication.

          tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Tesfat,

            I have read the writing of this good human being, since he joined as columnist at this website. Even when he opened his own website “Hanti-Alem” I frequently visited his website. I have never read from all his writing that somehow indicates about “Tigray-tigrigni.” However it become customry to undermine our intellectuals – something a new culture that is brought by EPLF. You know how our best educated of our own were demonized and finally liquidated. That culture is persisted to exist even now. Amanuel Sahle is one of our intellectual asset.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel H.,

            I agree with you bro. I am not sure about it but recently Amanuel Sahle has moved to Tigray and established his life there. I believe that he is fond of the culture, history, tradition, myths etc that exist in our region. Had he got a freedom to live in Eritrea freely, I am quite sure that he could have continued writing and philosophising about Eritrean people. But because of PFDJ he can’t.

            Reading some of his philosophical works, he is deeply attached with the Axumite Kingdom in which we own good part of it and the myths associated with it. He loves to write about Tigrigna language and Tigrigna speaking people; For this reasoning, I believe that he wanted to live nearby and pursue his unfinished works on the Tigrigna language and Tigrigna speaking cultures, traditions, philosophy and ancient civilizations.

            But, since we are far from such kind of scholarly and academic world outlook, conspiracy theory will always be there to twist the essence.

            On the other talk, from FB discussions, I had faced a serious discussions by some other folks on the Tigray-Tigrigne issue. It was a year before or more. I don’t know to how much extent the discussion went up but who knows on this uncertain political dilemma that we live on such tendencies could emerge. There are always opportunists and we need a careful analysis on our political landscape.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Tesfat,

            When the emperor (to use sal’s word) closed the university of Asmara, the only institution of higher education, didn’t he told the professors to go anywhere they want and gave them an exit visa? Amanuel’s fate couldn’t be different when he left the university and the nation. I hope it won’t be for good. Eritrea rejected her intellectual and academic assets. What good is good without them. It is all brain drain. And a nation without educated citizens is not worth of development. Very sad!!!!!!

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel H.,

            Just to share this with you. You are much aware about some dead soul Eritrean writers. But, it is not unworthy to share with you also about some so-called Eritrean writers like Desale Bereket what they write about Eritrea and still they are within the opposition camp.

            http://shedelli.blogspot.no/2014/09/blog-post_2.html#more

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Tesfat,
            Is he an educated person? He doesn’t look an educated person the way he compose his essay, even if I have bad taste to it. Do you know Tesfat, I don’t give damn for such irresponsible individuals who tried to tear down the history of their people. I am telling you, he is twisting the jokes and tried to present it as a fact. How cheap he is. Our focus on our debate should however be with those who “respect our history with all its shortcoming” but maintain different approach as to how to solve our political crises. These is the area where “Otub” engagement is needed. That is all.

            Regards,

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Amanuel,

            I know him very well, in person and also through his volumeneous writings when he was working in Eritrea. He is from revolutionary school of EPLF (Tsabra) and later finished from university of Asmara. He is well known for his short writings and kind of humor based essays.

            But now, he changed himself into a lost soul writer and is one of the writers who istrying his best to tarnish the Eritrean people’s image through his humor based but serious political campaigns. he has many funs actually.

            ANyway, I am not worried about such opportunists but I always care about my environment. therefore, we should be surprised when we meet such so called Eritreans hiding under the umbrella of justice seekers. I brought it here just for your attention as what we mean the opportunists. We are having many kinds of people within the opposition camp. We need to carefully analyse them.

            On a serious remark: I agree with Mahmuday when he talks about the critics of dismantlement project. We need to be careful on the definition as some opportunits may hijack it and use it as their drum beating strategy.

            But no surprise for their existence as societies are always composed of all kinds of characters.

            tes

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Peace!

        sorry to interject. I understand what you mean dear Peace!, peace be upon us. I don’t know exactly how it came but the phrase that you have it here (Tigray-Tigrigne) is what Amanuel Sahle is accused by. I have read a numbre of converse between some folks concerning this issue and I am in continuous search if such ambition still exists among some opportunists.

        Saying this, Amanuel Hidrat is bringing this for the sake of enlightenment. He (Amanuel H.) is specifically talking about the recent article posted at assenna.com. Neverthless, there is no doubt that Amanuel Sahle is one of our grand scholar and I believe that his political line of thinking as I can see him from his writings is the promoter of ONE-World-Outlook (not Order though) and hence is what his column, web-site and FB page all talk about.

        Hawki
        tes

    • Abraham Hanibal

      ነዚ ኣብ ኤርትራ ዘሎ ኩሉ መዳያዊ ጸገማት ከም ውጽኢት ወይ ሳዕቤን ጌጋታት ምሉእ ውድብ ህግሓኤ/ህግደፍ ጌርካ ምቕራቡ፥ ካብ ሕሱርን ዝነደየን ናይ ፖለቲካ ጸወታ ሓሊፉ ካልእ ዘፍርዮ ቁም ነገር የልቦን።

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Abrham:

        I agree we have to factor in how CIA is undermining Eritrea at every corner. When USA collaborated with TPLF and Nasa and did something to the skies of Eritrea and hence the lack or rain fall despite DIA’s wish and prayers. Also Ethiopians collaborated with MIT to create some chip that is insidiously swallowed by our youth in the food aid in the cans and infecting our people with some hallucinatory agent, therefore our your commit suicide in the high seas thinking across the sea there in lies a greener pasture. PFDJ must not solely be blamed for our situation .What an epiphany, what a revelation, I have to reread this comment to reconcile it with your Ab, lest I mistake it with dawit, the comedian

        ነቲ ሽግር ተኻፊልና

        ነቲ ጾርን ምጭን ናይቲ ሽግር ድማ አመቃሪሒና

        ፈይ ንብሎ አብ ኩሉና

        ክፎኽሰና እቲ አርዕት ገበንና

        ኢሂናይ ዳኣ ደቂ ኤረ እንዲና

        ንቲ ጾር ሓቢርና

        ነቲ ጣኦሚ ንበይንና

        • Abraham Hanibal

          አወ ብጻይ ሰመረ፥ ሰውራ ኤርትራ ከምዚ ኣቶ ኣማኑኤል ሳህለ ዝበሎ ህውከት ዘይኮነስ ዓወትን፥ ሰላምን ፍቕርን፥ እዚ ዘይበሃል ሃገራዊ ኒሕን፥ ህርፋን ንኩሉ መዳያዊ ምዕባለን ዲሞክራስን ተሓንጊጡ እዩ ናብ ከተማ ዝኣተወ።

          ብሰንኪ ንቑጽ ይነድድ ርሑስ ከም ዝበሃል ግን፥ ውድብ ህግሓኤ ኣብ ዉሽጡ ብዝነበረ ኣዝዩ ንእሽቶ ግን ከኣ መርዛም ነቐዝ፥ ካብቲ ዝወጠኖ ግዕዞ ምዕባለ ተቖጽዩ፥ እነሆ ሕጂ፥ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ መጻወቲ ጎሓላሉን፥ መስሓቕ ሸራፋትን ኮይኑ ተሪፉ ኣሎ።

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Abrhimo,

            I think you are losing hope. The people of Eritrea is still a respected people. Just the PFDJ government is useless and rejected regime. Therefore, let’s not generalize. I believe that you are still strong despite your weak foreign policies.

            Seriously, let’s always trust the people, base our arguments on the people and inherit the wisdom of the people. Because of PFDJ fatal failures, we can not conclude aby any kind of scale that the people is down played. Stay correct and fight for your people. I am not surprised though as most of your energy is wasted on protecting the PFDJ legitimacy and status-quo. When you see the people, you are coming exhausted and you are thinking that opportunists are making fun of the people.

            It is only because of PFDJ that people are perceiving the Eritrean people is weak than ever before. I still believe that we are strong as before even much stronger. But because of PFDJ, we can’t see who we are.

            Just coming to give you energy.

            tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Tesfabirhan;
            Don’t worry about me bro, everything is ok. I’ve never given up my people, but this doesn’t mean that I don’t feel extremely sad about the misery they’ve to endure both inside and outside their country. And I’ve to react when someone out there deliberately tries to accuse the whole EPLF organization for all the odds, just to score hopelessly cheap political prize. We know the great majority of the EPLF tegadelti had a dream for a peaceful, just and democratic society in Eritrea. But their dreams, just like the dreams of every single Eritrea have been thwarted by a criminal gang, headed by dictator Isayas. We should not put all members or anyone that contributed in EPLF/PFDJ in the same basket as the criminal tiny clique. We’re all victims of this evil group, and all our resources and enery should be targeted on dealing with it, so that together, we all can contribute to build a democratic government.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Abrhihimo,

            The problem with you is that you are not able to see the Eritrean current problem beyond the EPLF. First of all, I would kindly advice you to close the EPLF chapter. And I believe the same fate happened to ELF because of self motivated political evolutions and now almost we don’t have EPLF or ELF as an organizations. But we do have their history, documented or undocumented, oral or written.

            Today, we don’t have an organization so called EPLF or ELF. EPLF has tranformed by what ever mechanism into PFDJ and ELF has multiplied into more than dozen political parties.

            PFDJ has killed EPLF and the EPLF former members didn’t resist it. This is what I call PFDJ is from the very beginning a criminal junta.

            Those who fought under the umbrella of EPLF or ELF are our heros in general. If there are criminals within, the rule of law will look after them. But first, let’s set the law. To set the law, let’s remove the junta in Asmara. How? By all means possible.

            Concerning tegadelti, oh Abrhimo, today we have also agelglot and from agelglot, already the third generation is taking over, sawa school graduates. Let’s remember that one generation is only 25 years in the world scale. I don’t know why you are worrying that much about the fate of tegadelti? Can’t you worry also about agelglot?

            On history, don’t worry. History is always there. It is a matter of research and documentation. The world has experienced that even 10,000 years before history can be researched and documented. Or, are you worried because of the fake PFDJ history books?

            Abrihimo, come out from the tegadelti, agelglot phobia. Treat them as human beings.

            Today, it is the weakest Abrhimo that I have ever read. I am afraid of you. You are living in the valleys. Come to the peak and see what is beneath you. ankaeririka enareakayo endika konka ezi guday hager. hager eko nisika eka mesleni dos eti nay PFDj himam, hager lieli kulu eya tibil doctrine kab riesika mietsae abiya? Get freedom first from the PFDJ ideology to see the reality by your own eyes. Don’t borrow PFDJ lense.

            tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Tesfabirhan;
            I don’t know why you always try to bring irrelevant issues in your cmments. My comment here was meant as an answer to those who try to defame all members of EPLF/ PFDJ only to satisfy their bankrupt political agendas. I was challenging Amanauel Sahle for writing the Eritrean revolution brought to Eritrea chaos, That is why I spoke of the tegadelti, nothing more. There is abosultely no need for you to accuse me of not remembering the agelglot unless otherwise you want, as usual, to bring irrelevant matters. Besides, I’ve said that the dreams of the Tegadelti, just like those of the rest of the people ( which means Agelglot inclded) have been hijacked by the criminal culprits in Isayas circle.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Abraham
            As usual, concise and to the point. I wish the precision you master in sorting out issues. That’s the point we have to remember. Poor ghedli generation has had nothing from PFDJ, and they are part and parcel of the change agents; they are the ones paying the price. Most political prisoners/almost all of them, are in one way or another related to tegadelti and ghedli. What was the difference between the farmers who supported ghedli and tegadelti, rural population who participated in thick and thin including transporting munitions into trenches and evacuating the wounds, the militia, the zobawi serawit, village vigilantes…all those millions who paid in blood and treasure, our elders who tried to reconcile the leadership in 2001 and after, I mean for many, there was no difference between tegadalai and their parents.
            In current Eritrea, all Eritreans including ex-tegadelti are oppressed; they are the prominent owners of any change. It’s funny when they are targeted indiscriminately. It’s important we separate the bad apples and target them.
            I must add that tes’ answer was not that far from yours, and I will admit for the first time for sometime now, his inputs of today were very good (only nitric will differ with me, both of us did some private ነቐፌታን ነብሰ-ነቐፌታን); I hope he continues enlightening us, welcome bro. As you know, I have no problem discussing issues; I welcome opposite views, but all should be within the realm of mutual respect. Our goal should be to challenge each other with the goal of creating consensus. The debate should be within the spirit of informing, correcting, and clarifying issues, and not to defeat or embarrass each other.
            Just a brotherly advice.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Abrhihimo,

            As I said repeatedely, we have many common outlook on our domestic issues and I am not meant to be wiser or to bring side issue. Just I came here because I saw you for generalizing. You have corrected by yourself with a converse with Amanuel H., If there are individual people who down play our history, lets deal with them and tarnish with them. I tried this with YG and I brought today one dead soul man named Bereket. In this way, we can clear things. If we stay strong and realistic, we can not generalize as you did. You know what a logical fallacy is. From single or minor incidenses,things are over generalized.

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Thank you. I know you are a peace and reconciling brother. This was what I said long time ago and I used this chance to reconcile with you no matter what difference we have on our line of seeing things. Our differences in seeing things will continue in different way and I believe it is a good thing in making analysis for the situation we are in. I aways respect different appraoches. Different approaches bring friction and from friction a new energy is generated, positive or negetaive. For wise people, both are needed. Positive enery helps us to move on and negative energy to see our weaknesses. (SWOT analysis). I wish though we had the same line of thinking. But still I am very positive on overall conversation or side proxy wars we did.

            1gain, thank you for welcoming and for accepting my reconcilation proposal with you. It is a big move for me as a young but rude and bold accuser of many wise people like you. Hope in the long run we will narrow our school of thought.

            For Nitricc, I can handle him. I am worried though finally because very sooner he will know himself. If he is brave, it is not that much difficult to embrace himself if not he may abandon us. Just worried

            Peace be up on us no matter how different we see the realities in front of us. This is our beauty at awate forum and it is through reconcilation that we can keep the room alive.

            hawkum
            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ab:
            You need to flesh out this idea better. I agree with you on the wrong blanket blame but even if you want to absolve EPLF, those who care calling the shots are the same people. Now it is just human nature to find angels amid the gloom and criminal group in PFDJ, W will hear about them, although some opportuniest will be come hiding as angles to, but the mighty tegadalay, where was they when the rug was pulled under them, when IA switched his alliances of killers and himulated them. This is were history comes in, either you call the tegadalti stupid (for not figuring out is DIA after 40 years) or call them willing participants. I call them the later. This does not mean there were not powerless tegadalti who wanted to oppose him, but they did not and their reasons maybe acceptable or not. Really easy stuff and I cannot figure out my two smart people, you and Mahmuday cannot discern that. It is the case of willful choice
            The accolades,the canonization, the songs, the praise, the flatter that we offered the tegadality was for most part deserving, but so is the brutal criticism of them and that should not make us thankless spoiled brats who expected the rule of law on golden platter. Our expectation was modest, tthe creation of normal country, corrupt like any African country, where injustice reigns, but we wanted tools to remedy and refine as we learn and grow through national puberty and adolecsence and maturrity. I am not sure if you were former freedom fighter, but I am sorry to say that the tegadalti got used/addcitted to our showering them with accolades and premature canonization

          • Kokhob Selam

            “ብሰንኪ ንቑጽ ይነድድ ርሑስ ከም ዝበሃል ግን፥ ውድብ ህግሓኤ ኣብ ዉሽጡ ብዝነበረ ኣዝዩ ንእሽቶ ግን ከኣ መርዛም ነቐዝ፥ ካብቲ ዝወጠኖ ግዕዞ ምዕባለ ተቖጽዩ፥ እነሆ ሕጂ፥ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ መጻወቲ ጎሓላሉን፥ መስሓቕ ሸራፋትን ኮይኑ ተሪፉ ኣሎ። ”

            ኣብኣ ‘ሞ ርገጽ ኣብራሃም ሓወይ :-

            እዚኣ ‘ ኳ እያ ‘ታ ጉዳይ :: በቃ ነቲ ኣውንታ ጥራይ እናዘከርካ ምዝናይ ነብሰ ምትላል እዩ:- ‘ቲ ኣውንታ ከምዘለዎ ከቢሩ ይንበር :ነዚ ኸኣ ነማዕብሎን ንቕድሚት ንኺድን : ግዳ ኸኣ ጉድለታትናን ኣሉታዊ ዛንታትናን ኣይንፍረሓዮ : ገሊጽና ንውጽኣዮን ከይድግም መደምደምታ ንግበረሉን::

            ዳሕራይ እቲ ቀንዲ ምግንጻል ኤርትራ – ንኹሉ እትሓቁፍ – ባህርያውዊ ሃብታ ማዕረ እተመቃርሕ – ንመሰላት ክሉ ቅጸላታት ሕ፡ሰብ እተኽብር : መሰሉ እተሓለወ ህዝቢ ዝነብረላ :ምስ ዓለም ተፋቂራ እትነብር :ሕጋዊ ስርዓት ንመስርት ኢና ንብል ዘለና ኣነን ንስኻን ::

            ምበር ጀጋኑ ንዘምጽእዎ ሃገር “ኣነ እየ ዝውንና – ብሒም ዝበለ ይታሓጎም ንዝደልኽዎ ይኣስር ንዝደለኹዎ ክቀትል ዘለኒ -ብሕጊ ዘይሕተት ኣነ ጥራይ እየ ጎይታኹም” ዝብል ጉጅለ ሲ ካብ ገዛእቲ ብምንታይ ይፍለ?

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            ኮኾብ ሓወይ፡ እቱይ ሓቅስ፤ ዕላማ ምንባርናስ፡ ታሪኽ ከነንብብ ዘይኮነስ ታሪኽ ክንሰርሕ እዩ ነይሩ። እንተሓመቕና ከኣ፡ ካብ ታሪኽ ክንመሃር’ዩ ነይሩ እቱይ ቁም-ነገሩ። ነገሩ ግን ታሪኽ ኣንቢብናስ ሰኺርና፡ ካን ኣኺሉና ብታሪኽ ጸጊብናስ ይእከል ኮይኑ ዝማሬና።

            ንኣብርሃም’ዩ መልእኽተይ ኮኾባይ ኮኾብ ሰላም።

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tes:
            You are raising good point about reading history and learning from it. Our brothers and fathers created the history and they swore us to read it and learn from it, we need not make an other history,not necessarily but maybe a different kind of history like techno miracle, rule of law.
            The problem is sorry u will not like this but Ghedli (EPLF) hated history, shunned reading it, discouraged from appreciating history unless it is their own myth and histories that enforce their myth. The historians/lawyers also laughed at you when you were mesmerized by history. History is important to read, no only does it prevents your from repeating it but it teaches you what worked what did not,even if nothing of these kind,it will make you fascinated and a fascinated citizen is empowered one and empowered one is naturally anti-PFDJ. It is common in our communities and churches for people to accuse leaders for stealing money or corruption based on gossip and rumours. A good example happened here in Toronto in an Eri church, when the leader was accused of emmbezeling money, external auditors came in and could not find any wrong doing. People still believe the gossip than the external auditors. This may sound small stuff, but it is the foundation upon which the nation is built on, the 03 Charter of Eritrea
            The legacy of PFDJ/EPLF on education is geared towards technical trade based training and not intellectualism, when people were shell shocked that DIA closed UofA, I was not, it is in line with their thinking and had nothing or little to do with the student uprising. Now the Mai Nefhi, is useless, unknown and a military camp as opposed to a centre where minds are nurtured for free thinking and innovation. And the next president of Mai-Nefhi, Nitricc will make it the Centre for Studies in killing brain cells and how to be stupid and fearless

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Semere.,

            To tell you, I always agree on your analysis. I never read any line within your lines that I ever rejected. You have a very clear distinguishing abaility between history and crimes. And to my level best I I try to do that.

            For me, EPLF is a doer of great history, a history of miracles, both blacks and whites. ELF has also great history accomplished, its rise and fall. Saying this, I do believe equally EPLF or ELF in particular and Eritrean armed struggle history in general is not yet written. What we hear today is just the other side of propaganda. Neverthless, the doers of the history are still alive and we always hear oral but true history and very few are writig our history.

            What I hate is equating EPLF = Eritrean people or ELF = Eritrean people. EPLF and ELF are within the Eritrean people and usually are less than the total Eritrean history. crimes done by ELF or EPLF is not what the history of Eritrea is all about. When we talk about Eritrean history, we need to talk about every aspect of history done by Eritreans. Even history of Eritreans who were serving Dergue is part of our history.

            We can not delete history when we don’t like it and we can not multiply when we like it though PFDJ is doing it today.

            About the event you raised, yes there are many incidents. PFDJ is only against those who differ in thinking from him. To steal money is fine and they consider it as public agenda.

            On the educational policies, you said it perfectly and I have been there teaching the students who were sacrificed to be slaves. But education is education. Almost no single college graduate stays there for more than 4 years as a slave. But, since the mind is brainwashed to be a slave, big problem is accuring in the integration process while they land in the western world. Your experience in Rome is not unique.

            I hate the PFDJ ideology and I hate their system. Let’s weed-out without any trace Semere Arkey.

          • henok2

            Notable & Quotable: “….History is important to read….it teaches you what worked (and) what did not….” S.A.

            — *A small country with abundant mineral resources; over 1000 kilometers of coastal line; went through border dispute with a **bigger (in size, population & economy) neighbor who where close allies at one time fighting to remove a common enemy; a regime known for suppression of individual freedom and dissent; a regime that has no respect for human right; thousands dead, thousands more in prison or made to disappear; close to two hundred thousands of its population left into exile; ratified constitution “murdered” because the regime believed the country needed a “better” one that reflect the citizens’ true aspirations.
            Eritrea? Not quite. It is Chile which had a home grown “democratic coup” after 15 years of a one man iron-fist rule.
            *source: wikipedia and Foreign Affairs
            ** Argentina

  • dawit

    Dear Salyounis,

    You may have noticed for some time now I was not commenting on Awate Forum, but I have been clicking
    on the website to glance the topics, but did not have the appetite to comment, simply the topics were either childish or simply irrelevance to Eritrean objective conditions. But today I broke my silence because of your article. Once again you have written an interesting article relevant to Eritrea and I like to congratulate you on that but I doubt if most of the Awatistas will listen to it.

    The topic is interesting on Pessimism, Optimism and Realism on Eritrean situations. The optimist and
    realistic ‘silent majority’ of Eritreans were not really silent, but they were screaming loud and with clear voices, but the problem is with the pessimist opposition who are deaf who clogged their ears could not listen the voices of the masses
    and worst they have blindfolded their eyes to see the actions of the masses demonstrating ‘Mekete programs’ demonstrating against the lawless and illegal sanctions and occupation of their country throughout the world. The ‘Silent Majority’ is singing ‘Znegese Ngusna, Zbereke Tsehaina’!

    As to the various statistics you presented in the paper, most of them are made up or cooked numbers some out of the thin air. But those UN and NGO experts have to write a report to make a living. There is no comparable country with Eritrea, which the UN has tied its feet with economic and military sanctions based on fabricated ‘UN facts’ and expected it to run with others on a plain field. Eritrea is running up hill while others are running on a downhill track.
    Anyway at the end Eritrea is going to sing that famous song of Frank Sinatra’s Song “I Did it My Way”!
    Peace!

  • Michael

    No matter where you stand politically
    in Eritrea, it is difficult not to enjoy Saleh’s writings. I personally enjoy his articles tremendously;
    his prose is clear and his ideas are rational.

    In this article, he presented
    reasons as to why people have remained silent in the face of hardship. He concerned himself mainly with factors that
    deal with development, because one aspect where the government derives
    legitimacy is the claim that it is registering results on improving the quality
    of life of the people.

    To give balance to his essay, he gives
    context to the topic of development by pointing out the overall situation of
    Africa. He also uses metrics provided by international organizations as those
    are the only ones available to him for assessment purpose as the Eritrean government
    provides no such data.

    Using those measuring tools, he
    concludes that, in terms of development, there is no much to celebrate; he
    raises the question as to why the people are then silent and not enlisting into
    the ranks and files of the opposition. Why are the people tolerating so much for so
    little?

    I know this author has written
    about other factors as to why the majority of the people are reluctant to join
    the opposition, but my personal opinion is this: it is because the people
    believe the nation is under attack. No matter how detailed analysis you give
    about other factors, the border issue, I think, remains the elephant in the
    room. Whatever is being registered, in terms of development, is measured
    against this background. The context
    people have for the narrative of Eritrea’s success is not how Africa is doing;
    it is how Eritrea is doing under official and unofficial international embargo.

    Now, in his characteristic sober
    and dispassionate manner, Saleh also outlines reasons as to why the opposition
    is failing to attract those that are not happy with the government. I do not have much to add to what he says in
    this regard.

    Even though he has written in
    detail about it, I think Saleh underestimates the impact of the border impasse
    on the overall political situation in Eritrea. This can be partly because he disagrees
    with the standing policy of the government in this regard. Because he thinks that way, he might think
    others would think that way and as a result might fail to attach the required
    significance to it. Pragmatism is not about how things should be it is rather
    about how things are.

  • Nitricc

    Tes; FS asked you un excellent and to the point question and you are at loss to explain it.
    I don’t think you understood the meaning of reconciliation. at thought your good at dictionary.
    in fact you are unable to answer FS inquiries proves that your stand the solution to the problem we are adressing is a failed and wrong one.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Ahlan semere A
    You have raised and important point: I should specifiy that there are good hearted people in the opposition who are doing wonderful jobs, many activists (if we are to put them in the opposition camp, few organizations which have made educating and helping the people participate in their affairs, and over all mass figures (again the responsible ones) who have trailblazed the idea of fighting for justice, and who have contributed a great deal of sustaining the struggle out of their pockets; daring Eritreans who are risking their life inside the country….it’s many to mention. Thank you for the correction. I usually write long comments after the kids have gone to bed and that’s not good time to write, again this is a passing comment…I want you to understand it within that limitation.
    My approach also assumes that the majority of PFDJ members are good people who are managing life under difficult situation (I have said these time and again). Combine these two with what saay depicted of the ripe objective condition of mobilizing the silent majority. Then ask why is the silent majority silent. My conclusion is: the good in the opposition and the good in the country are being hijacked and narrated by few dedicated equally disastrous element within both camps.
    The keyboard generals, concerns onlu for those who are in diaspora, not willing to avail themselves for the task and yet instigate civil war. Those who are already in the ground, I have no right to tell them how to struggle. I say this because war is serious. If you would not want to do it, don’t call for it.
    I am still short with time but thanks. Expect a lot of typo errors.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Thanks Mr. Saleh Younis, for cementing, once again, the idea that change in Eritrea could and should only come through the internal dynamics of Eritrea. A huge part of the Eritrean population is living in the diasporas, and their role in the realization of this change is not to be downplayed. They couldhelp to facilitate the change by, at least, boycotting the PFDJ regime, and at best by organizing themselves and cooperating with the forces of change that already exist inside the country, or that may arise through the inernal friction and wearing out of the PFDJ-regime.
    The idea of imposing change from outside the country is neither realistic, nor practical.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all
    There are pessimists in all societies, people who give it up from the get-go and look for “big brother” to do the job for them. Many economic areas, for instance…look for the importance some countries place on NGOs, grants…developmental mentoring/where Anglo-Saxon experts are given more attention than nationals…in Politics, the same such as wanting to copy other experiences and documents (constitutions, laws, bylaws…),etc. In our case, there are pessimists who have given up on their people and the only way they see the regime is changed is through the invasion of Ethiopia. You may hear them saying “we do the conditions under which Ethiopia invades us.” However, you notice they don’t even influence the numerous opposition organizations to get their acts together before they even think replacing PFDJ. If you can’t make conditions among yourself in order to get stronger, you can’t make conditions on a governments that’s paying your bills. A weak and disjoined Eritrean opposition doesn’t have the leverage to dictate Ethiopia what it should do and what it shouldn’t do when it’s paying the price. We know though what they mean. In directly, the placement of a meek and clientele government in Asmara is enough for Ethiopia to do the dirty job. What they miss is the fact that there are Eritreans who are equally determined not to be dictated by them or by Ethiopia. So, it’s a call for a civil war. You here them tarnishing the essence of Eritrea (they don’t want to hear anything good, they dismiss progress that the country has registered even if that’s related to the eradication of malaria, while they are up in arms attacking any effort aimed at improving the opposition. Because they think criticizing the opposition will cause it to dissipate. Ironically, their blind hatred to everything that makes Eritreans proud has been backfiring. Their total dependence on Ethiopia, their anti Eritrean PR service for Ethiopia, all served the regime. But they are there, a pessimist is always dependent.
    There are also optimistic folks, however, their optimism is so dependent on emotion-stirring events, such as the rumors of quarrels of colonel or General with the president, rumors concerning the sickness of the president, increase of international pressure on the state of Eritrea, etc. The problem is since their optimisms is not constrained by realistic assessment, they will be heard saying “It’s done, the government is collapsing…”, for if your optimism is not based on objective assessment, there is a good chance your optimistic high jump will land ahead of the intersection, a head of the expectation-reality coordinate. Soon, a terrible sense of deflation follows, the cycle repeats itself, however long time it may take, unrealistic is unrealistic, there is no pause.
    This author is calling for a pause, assessment and rethinking on calibrating our struggle on reality based objective assessment. For some, it’s not going to seat well. But serious folks need to look at it. He has given us an informational and really an instructional analysis studded with data in his attempt to unlock the mystery of “why the majority opt to be silent,” despite all the depressing living standard indicators? This is crucial, because there is no real change where the majority are ignored; it could only be the hijacking of a cause by a rebel or the military if the majority don’t back the process. I have been stressing the need of looking into current methods of struggle, voicing the fact that any serious justice seeker should apply pressure on the groups to put the interest of their people in the forefront; that they should act in ways that distinguish them from PFDJ using different methods of doing things; by manifesting qualities which place them diametrically opposite of what PFDJ is known for, in justice administration, tolerance, popular participation, transparency, effectiveness, and dedication to delivering change which all Eritreans feel belong to them.
    Information is a weapon. There is a reason why the government doesn’t allow us to know what it’s doing. If we know what it’s doing:
    a/ we will then examine what it’s doing, we will know if what it’s doing is consistent with what we expect in terms of priority, cost effectiveness and opportunity costs… and so on.
    b/ we will know what it is not doing ( what is missing, what is being ignored…), and what it’s not doing might interest us more than what it’s doing.
    Similarly, in an opposition jungle, where information is scarce, where PR is still shunned, where folks who don’t operate simple media tasks on the computer are leading it, it’s the cyber warriors and keyboard Generals who are making the calls. Most of these individuals have no organizational affinity, no organizational obligations, live under pennames, but fuel all the religious and regional flames causing the opposition to lose its bearings.
    The author having given us the analysis of the socioeconomic situation which should make the people rise up, yet we see the majority is silent, or most probably sympathetic to the government. He then goes to the “why” part. He gives an honest comparison between the government and the opposition and rightly points out that both of these entities have proven equally responsible to making the majority stay silent.
    He lists possible outcomes assuming the opposition doesn’t undergo a fundamental change. The list is based on his analysis, free of emotional sentiments. There is no talk of reforming PFDJ. None what so ever. We know what the dismantlement project is for. The dismantlement project calls for a confrontation of Eritreans against each other, it calls for a violent path. Sadly, those who advocate for this project won’t avail themselves for the task. They want the kids to die for them. War cost us so much. No Eritrean in his/her right mind should instigate bloodshed.
    1. it consumes the young, the bright and the poor.
    2. it doesn’t ensure that a person different than IA will rule us
    3. It doesn’t ensure there will ever be a transitional process to democratic government (we have already tried it).
    4. It’s costly, and there is no guarantee where it ends.
    Therefore, the author, calls for the aborted democratic process to resume noting that the likelihood that this will happen is almost impossible. I, however, place it as unlikely but not impossible if the opposition focuses on ways of emboldening domestic forces. Domestic pressure coupled with diaspora could lead to this scenario. Who would be unhappy if today that happens, except the few? Then he proceeds in order. The path some opposition organizations, and the keyboard Generals are advocating for is indeed costly.
    I also totally agree with the conclusion. The silent majority “looks at two tracks heading the wrong way.” That’s why they chose to remain silent until the confusion settles. And there is a reason for that. We are all rational, we don’t invest in projects we are not sure about. And when the price needed is in blood, the bar gets higher for getting involved. So, how do we make the point that opposing the regime is a project worth sacrificing for, and how do we get the steps of doing that simpler are areas this article is all about. I know serious people will read it and take lessons from it; I know PFDJ bosses have already read it.
    Mahmud.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Gonbel,

    I have faced people openly debating and trying to convince people as if PFDJ better than any other rulers to come to Eritrea. And these people left Eritrea 4-5 years before. They openly reject the humanitarian crises and claim that they only left Eritrea because of economical problems. First, thinking that they were innocent, I tried the debating issue point by point.

    Instead of confroning or debating with them further, I asked about their status. All what I found is that they are active participants of the PFDJ lead new Eritrean Community Associations. They have very active and strong cadres teaching them the argument mechanism. They equally blame the current situation in Eritrea but try to change the main reason behind in a more artistic and skillfull way. They speak on regionalism and divisions within the justice seekers camp day and night. They underestimate the capabiltiy of the associations and call everybody not to go to such gathering. They praise DIA for being a hero and keep the country as such. They say that had Eritrea was not under DIA’s total power grip, Eritrean people could have been unmanageable. They always and always bring, “keynisemamaE tesemamiena Ena, we agreed not to agree”. And when you call them for a meetings and then to make formal agreements, they bring excuses. And behind, their cadres teach them a new style if they are somehow appeared weak.

    Even they are not shame to bring such notices by the name of Eritrean Community. http://meskerem.net/lettre%20Calais%20final.pdf. I know this association very well and by whom it is controlled. but they are trying to change the tactic. In the city that I am living now, they stopped their activity and are now going for meetings either to Paris or another city.

    Therefore, I am well aware about the existence of such PFDJ infiltrated debaters and are always losers.

    For the correction, I accept. But, PFDJ has never being hijacked but hijacked the dreams of Eritreans. Reformers will argue though as if PFDJ was hijacked. PFDJ is like that from the very beginning.

    tes

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Gonbel,

    She corrected herself unless you are from the accusers or accused.

    On your second point: Yes PFDJ hijacked all the visions Eritreans had during the struggle for freedom. No doubt about this. The question that should follow is then, “what then?” Are they convincing that PFDJ can restore that hijacked dream? Are they convincing us to give them more trail time to restore it?

    Dear Gonbel, no good minded Eritrean can reject the good dreams and visions we had during our 30 years struggle unless it is an opportunist. People like YG will reject any kind of dream for sure and these people that you are talking about are convincing to individuals like YG or for those who know nothing about Eritrea but are opposing for the sake of opposition.

    Just a brotherly pieace, it is better not to waste time convicing people like YG and his students. They are aroud because they thought that we are weak.

    tes

  • Nitricc

    I got you. My bad.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear all
    This is a rare, bold and incisive analysis. All political leaders and responsible Eritreans have to read and discuss it free of emotional rides. Just a fast reading, I will comment sometimes later.

    • Nitricc

      Mahmuday; a nail to the coffin is the expressive word. SAAY asked every person on this forum, especially Aman-H to make his case and to show how fendamnetal change can be achived and no one gave answer to SAAY’s inquiry. No one has idea besides rigid stand of fundamental change. no one ever came up; okay we will do this and this. then after every one failed to show the way; SAAY came out swinging with his plan for change. all they did was reject SAAY’s plan for a change with out giving him any explanation. he was even labeled as chauvinistic.
      Now, with this article; strong evidence oriented argument, let’s wait what name Tes will come up. in any way from pure argument and debate stand point; it is crystal clear which way Eritrea must go.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear nitrikay
        Just hang in there. Yes, it’s crystal clear; it will go where the often demonized and cursed silent majority wants it to go.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Nitricc,

        I have nullified the whole article. No need to debate with an already dead article. Saay’s chauvinistic character is a crystal clear now. He is exposed naked by himself. I recommend him to come with a reconcilatory approach now.

        We are enough with emboldenment. AT did great thing to inform us, inspire us and embolden us to say spade is a spade. Now, it is time to reconcile. No more tension and proposals. We have more than enough proposals on the table. It is time to discuss, organize and fight together for PFDJ.

        It is time for reconcilation among the opposition camp. It is time to build hope and it is time to marsh together.

        • Kokhob Selam

          I am wondering, once upon a time Nitricc was against any change including reform. today, he is reformer and who knows his next stand. convincing Saay7 might change Nitricc and the likes. But still I don’t believe Saay is for reform l. for those who want to see free democratic and advanced Eritrea, truth is above any man . it is the Idea not the man we care, it is the principle that let us stand tall (ላንጋ ላንጋ መርገጽ የብልናን)

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Kokhobay,

            I am quite sure saay7 is the champion of the reformation movement. I have a number of cross-checking mechanisms. As for you, I accept your view on him. Yet, I want you to examine him. Just recently, he said that by default he is a pro-medrekite.

            hawka
            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            it is up to him. the truth is right here. if he love it or not PFDJ is going to be history leaving no single point for the future. what we struggle was only not to kill our national identity which was highly exploited by the group and those who want to dismiss our long history.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        One more,

        DIA came with his “Nihnan Elaman” and every innocent Eritrean followed him without questioning what it mean after. And now, you are expecting us to accept saay7 or Amanuel Hidrat proposal? We are not that much naïve. We read history and we learn from it. I like SGJ appraoch, he informs. Individuals have full freedom and unlimited boundry to inform the people, what ever it is good they think.

        But, Saay7 and Amanuel Hidrat are coming with a proposal. Ok, as an idea it is fine but we will not be fooled twice now. Eritrean people should sit together and come with his own and common strategy. Saay7, Amanuel Hidrat, SGJ, Mahmuday, Semere, Hope, Kokhob, Peace, me, etc can only inform.

        Look! Hayat came with her proposal and the people rejected her. YG came with his opportunitic proposal, people rejected him. Amanuel H., came with his proposal and not all are convinced. Saay is coming with his one and only one proposal, reforming and people are saying no. There are many others also who came with their proposal and rejected, just like Wedi-Vacaro, Amanuel Assenna etc.

        If we ask deeply why this all rejection to individual proposals is that Eritreans are well experienced from DIA. They don’t want now to be deceived again.

        We as individuals can inform people just like that of SGJ. Let’s inform people and help them to know the TRUTH. The truth is within us but someone in somewhere may not now it on time. This is the job of writers. coming with proposals and especially like that of saay7 despising his own people’s capability is a flaw.

        • Kokhob Selam

          perfect, don’t care who said it but why he said it. NO MORE CHEATING everything should be clear.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Kokhob,

            For me, to inform is the duty of every citizen. To inspire, we need people to inspire us, models, like you, like saay7, like SG, like Amanuel, like Hayat, like Dr Sara, like Mahmuday. We need exceptional people to embolden us, very brave people, just like that of our Martyrs.

            FInally, it is the entire people’s duty to reconcile within himself for the better future. We have enough role models as informers, inspirators and enboldeners. May initiatives were done for reconcilation and luckily many organizations, political parties and inndividual parties are ready for it. But so far, it has not been complete because of scapegoat reasoning (kemish adey ankifuny) and we are where we are now today.

            Let’s revice our informing strategy, let’s invent a new way to inspire people, let’s always and always remember our history to be emboldened and then the reconcilation process will be not that much difficult.

            Among us, we have opportunists, reformists, dismantlers, humanists, business people. Opportunists will always hatch as far as we are weak. Business people will always be there, no matter how we are weak or strong. We can kick the opportunists by being strong and united and the business people are safe to be handled when we are strong. But, if we are weak and divided, the reformists will not have room to reform, dismantlers will be exploited by opportunists and business people and humanists we simply cry and unheard.

            Therefore, through reconcilation, we will be strong. But, reconcilation with whom should be clarified. Reconcilation is among the groups that claim that they have best way/strategy and worked hard to dominate the other. Before, it was among ELF and EPLF, we remember the intervention of our people in years of 1970s. Now, we can not reconcile with PFDJ. PFDJ is a barbaric regime that does not believes on human existence.

            But, the opposition groups should be courageous enough and sit together. Not for receiving command but to discuss and debate boldy for the common good.

            I am really ON as my meditation is getting exited. Let me stop here.

            hawka
            tes

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Tes,

            I would like to ask you one Q. focusing on your 5th paragraph, you said no reconciliation with PFDJ. Can you be more specific as to who and who you are no willing to reconcile? Everyone that has PFDJ card? IA and his closest entourage? All or some ministers? All generals, colones and alike? PFDJ cadres? The party’s central committee? Tegadelti?…

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • Kokhob Selam

            you are doing fine. That is what we need to do. regarding PFDJ they didn’t leave any space for reconciliation,peace and love. If someone find a common land with PFDJ he may have to think about the fire he is standing on. no human can chose the system that wants to govern illegally.

            actually there is nothing personal, we are talking about system. we are talking about the idea. we don’t label,name categorize – there work describe them itself.

  • Hope

    Ahlen Cousin,
    You forced me to comeback.
    Enjoyed it,my MAN!
    I have more than millions reasons to stand FIRM on my “Stand” on YOU,besides renewing my Cousinship to you–beyond any doubt!
    Make no mistake that you are NOT Perfect as a human being but I am in NO position to pick up any on your Article by my standard, as you put it in an absolutely “unpickable” way.
    Let the “Clueless,Goal-less,Stand-less,Mission-less,Solution disoriented people like Amanuel Hidrat et al,waste their time and energy picking up on you, for the sake of doing so.
    Here is/are my favorite(s):
    a)
    “The least-costly path for positive change is for Isaias Afwerki to resign from the PFDJ; for the PFDJ to change directions and go back to September 17, 2001: to release all political prisoners; to begin an orderly demobilization process; to implement the ratified constitution; to implement the “Draft Proclamation on the Formation of Political Parties and Organizations”8 as well as “Eritrean Electoral Law”9 and call for a National Reconciliation meeting. This is very unlikely to happen–almost in the category of the impossible.
    The second-least costly path for positive change is a democratic-coup followed by all the steps outlined above. This is still unlikely, but not impossible.”
    We have to work HARD on THIS,by any means possible.We have a National,Moral and Legal OBLIGATION to force him and his Clique to do so.
    b)as Plan B:
    “The second-least costly path for positive change is a democratic-coup followed by all the steps outlined above. This is still unlikely, but not impossible.”
    Courtesy of Prof Saleh A A Younis.
    Proud to be yours but yours,my Man!
    I will leave the rest to my own Mahmouday!
    Folks,Enehe,meda,enehe feres for A9The) Real Debate,NOT for the sake of “debate”.

  • Kokhob Selam

    ክቡር ሳልሕ:

    ብርግጽ እቲ ዓንቀጽ ብዙሓት ክካሓዱ ዘይክእሉ ሓቅታት ዝሓዘለ ሃብታም ዓንቀጽ እዩ:: እቲ ኣነ ዘይሰማመዓሉ ነጥቢ ወይ ኣብ ሞንጎኻን ኣብ ሞንጎ ከማይ ዝኣመሰሉ ሰባትን ዘሎ ፍልልይ ነዚ ብኣሃዛትን ጭቡጥ ኩነታትን ዝተሰነ የ ክውንነት ናይ መጨረሻን ዘይቅየርን ጌርካ ብምውሳድ ዝውሰድ መፍትሕን :- ብ ኣንጻሩ ነዚ ክውንነት ቀይርካን ዝደለ መሰረት ኣንቢርካ ዝውሰድ መፍትሕን ኣብ ምምራጽ ዘሎ ፍልልይ እዩ :: ስለ’ዚ ነቲ ኣፉ ሓቲሙ ዘሎ ሓፋሽን ብሓደ ሰሚሩ ክቃለስ ዘይክኣለ ተቃዋምን ካብ ዘለው ውድዕነት ናብ ሓዲሽ መድረኽ ከሰጋግር ዝኽእል መስረሕ ምፍጣር ዶ ይሓይሽ ወይስ ነቲ ጨሪሱ ኣረሜናዊ ስርዓትን ምስኡ ንዓመታት ገበናት ክፍጽሙ ዝጸንሑ ውልቀሰባት ምዕራይ ይሓይሽ ?

    ኣነ ክሳብ ዝፈልጦ ጸረ ህግደፍ ካብ ዝተኻየ ደ ቃልሲ ንላዕሊ እቲ ኣብ ግዜ ሰውራ ጸረ ግፍዐኛታት ዝተኻየደ ቃልሲ ይብርትዕ :: ኣብ ቲ መሪር ዘመን ንሃገራዊ ቃልሲ ዝመርሑ ግዳ ኸኣ ኣዝዮም ገብነኛታት ሰባት ሓቀኛታትና ክበልዑ እንከለው ዝተመዝገበ ዛንታት ገና ኣይተገልጸን ::

    እሞ ውጻእ መዓት ገና ብዘይድሕርምሕር ንዝሓለፉ ዓመታት ንሓያል ኒሕን ሓቦን ተዓጢቆም ወላ ‘ውን ኣብ ግዜ ሕጽኖት ሃገራዊ ናጽነት ቀልባዕባዕ ከይበሉ እንዳመከቱ ካብ ሓፋሽ ህዝቢ ይኹን ምሁር ክፍሊ ሕ- ሰብና ከይተሓገዙ ምጽነሖም (እሞ ድማ ንግዝያዊ ዓወት ኩናት ሕድ ሕድን ከይፈጠሩ ብሓላፍነትን ተገዳስነትን) – ዘምህረና ዓቢ ምህሮ ጉዕዞ ሓቂ ይምረር ይጸንክር ኣማራጺ ዘይብሉ ምዃኑ እዩ ::እንተ ‘ቶም ሓጺር መገዲ ዘመረጹ ግን ካብ ኣደዳ መቅተልትን ማእሰርትን ክወጹ ኣይከኣሉን : እቲ ምንታይ ሲ ብፍላጥ ይኹን ብዘይፍላጥ ምስ ጸ ረ ሰላም ምውራሕን ምቅናይን ስለ ዘይተረፎምን ኣብዘይ ኣጎዱዎ ሓዊ ክስሕኑ ብምፍታኖምን እዩ :: ኮታ ኣብዘይ መትከልካ ምልክስካስ ክብሪ ሓቂ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ግዝያዊ ራህዋ ‘ውን ከምዘይርከቦ እዩ ዘረጋግጸልና ::

    እዚ መድረኽ ዚ ኮ ናብ ዓወት ዝቀረበ መድረኽ እዩ :: ክፍሊ ናይ’ቶም ምስ ዚ ገበነኛ ጉጅለ ዝነበረ ተደምሲሱ እዩ እቲ ተሪፉ :: ዘሎ ‘ውን ኣብ ዓቅሊ ጽበት እዩ ዝርከብ : የግዳስ እቲ መድረኽ ዝሓቶ ዘሎ ሕቶ – ሃገርኩም ክትመርሑ ዶ ትኽእሉ – እዩ ክእለትን ዓቅምን ኣለኩም ዶ – እዩ :: ‘ምበር ህግደፍ ? ድሮ ቁንጣሮ ቦጅቧጃት እዮም ኮፍ ኢሎሞ ዘለው ::እዚ ነቶም ኣብ ደገ ዘለው ድሑራትን ንዑቃትን ኣብ ቁጽሪ ከየእተኻ ማለተይ እዩ :: እቲ ምንታይ ሲ ደጋፍ ህግደፍ ደቁን ነብሱን ወፍዮ ንህግደፍ ክከላኸል ማለት ስለ ዘይሕሰብ::

    ክቡር ሳልሕ እቲ ኣብ ዚ ዶ ኣብ ቲ ንተኣከብ : ንዘራረብ : ጽላል ውድብ ንመስርት ወዘተ ዝብል ኣተሓሳስባታት ጉጉይ ‘ኳ እንተዘይተባህለ ለውጢ ግን ብረቱ ሒዙ ምስ ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ዝረባረብ ሓይሊ እዩ ዝመጽኦ :: ንሱ እዩ ኸኣ ነዛ ኩላ ኣብ ‘ዚ ነይረ ኣብቲ ነይረ ትብል ዘላ ኣብ ሓደ መስመር ዝእትዋ :: ሓፋሽ ‘ውን ብተግባር እዩ ዝኣምን -: ግን ኩሉ ሓፋሽ ኣይኮነን ዝውፈ ::ሰብ ለውጥ እዮም ኣብ ትሕቲ ረቢ ነቲ ህልኸኛ ደምሲሶም ነቲ ተስፋ ዝቆረጸ ብተግባር ኣእሚኖም – ኮታ ንኹልና መንጋጋና ፈንጪጮም ነቲ ውጽኢት መስዋእቶም ዝኾነ ራህዋ ዘጥዕሙና ድሕሪኡ ‘ታይ ግድኻ ኩሉ ኣባል ልውጢ እዩ ::

    ምርር ዝበለ ግዳ ኣማራጺ ዘይብሉ እንኮ ፍታሕ እምበኣር ኣሰር ናይቶም ንነዊሕ እዋን ማእዘኖም ከይሰሓቱ ሰለይ ብምባል ገድሎም ዘሳሰኑ ምስዓብ እዩ :: እቲ ምንታይ ሲ ንሶም እዮም ብተግባር ሓቂ ዘርኣዮና :: ጸገንቲ ኣይኮኑን ክጽግኑ ንብሶም ዝጽግን የድልዮም :: ስለዚ ነቲ ዝኣረገ ዝተወግአ ዝደኸመ ምትካእ ከድልየና እዩ : ሓቦ !

    ንስለ ሓበሬታ : ከምቲ ንስኻ እትብሎ ኣይኮነን – ይውሓዱ ይብዝሑ ብተግባር ንምቹእ ናብራ ነጺጎም ኣብ ምምካት ዝርከቡ ከምዘለው ከረጋግጸልካ ይፈቱ ::ገለ ውን ኣብ ሓያል ህግደፋዊ ሓዊ ተኸቢቦም ክንሶም መዓልታዊ ርእሲ ርእሳ እናወቀሩ ከድምይዋ ንዕዘብ ኣለና :: ጀጋኑና ተኣምር ከምዝፈጥሩ ጥርጥር የብለይን ::

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Dear Kokhob,

      Re-reading your piece is letting me to go deep into the suffering we paased. You wrote, “ኣነ ክሳብ ዝፈልጦ ጸረ ህግደፍ ካብ ዝተኻየ ደ ቃልሲ ንላዕሊ እቲ ኣብ ግዜ ሰውራ ጸረ ግፍዐኛታት ዝተኻየደ ቃልሲ ይብርትዕ :…”. Surely and now this is what the promoters of “from within” are telling us to follow. History repeats by itself.

      Hawka
      tes

  • Nitricc

    SAAY, ESAT is in Asmara and they Interviewed PIA not in Asmara but somewhere outside of Asmara. they said, PIA is there supervising construction of a dam. they even say there were all high Eritrean officials out there and PIA has a small office out there. what i don’t get is, is it normal for president to be out there? I understand the importance of dam and the goal of food security but don’t you think should be in the capital supervising the nations political, diplomatic and economic business? the funny part is the Ethiopian reporters were hungry and they couldn’t find anything on the construction area.i can’t find the link though. anyway, i don’t know what to think about PIA being on the construction area. where is the construction area anyways? they reporters said, 40 km away from Asmara, i think? i am not sure.

    • Tesfabirhan WR

      Nitricc,

      He is chief of project engineer. Didn’t you take that lesson? Amna Issaias is also an engineer. Remember that he was a civil engineering student drop-out. By now, after taking practical courses from Gerset, Fanko, Aligedir and Omahajer dam projects, he successfully showed his new chief project engineer skills in Kerkebet dam and now in Adi Halo dam project. Finally, he has fulfilled his dreams by being a full engineer.

      http://www.madote.com/2014/12/eritrea-construction-of-adi-halo-dam.html

      In the presidential palace, he has nothing to do by the way.

    • Saleh Johar

      Nitricc, you must have missed the following on Gedab News (10/27/2014):

      “president Isaias Afwerki has been staying outside the capital as he always does in time of crisis. This time the Eritrean president is working from a makeshift office around Adi Halo, a village close to the source of the Mereb River and Mai Nefhi water reservoir, where it is believed he is supervising the construction of a dam.”

      Check it here: http://awate.com/the-plight-of-zuria-26-enrages-eritrean-youth/

      • Nitricc

        SG I guess i missed that one. I am trying to thinking if it positive or negative for a president to stage on construction sight.

        SG i followed the link Tes, provided (thanks yes) and i found this piece of news. i am wondering how come aware.com did not report it? i mean it wasn’t reported because the news is not confirmed or was it because AT did not want the positive development and good news from the government to be reported? I hope you can address the reason why.

        the news goes a follow…

        “Reporters Without Borders is happy to learn of the release on bail of six Eritrean journalists who had been held since a wave of arrests in February 2009.
        They are Bereket Misghina, Yirgalem Fisseha Mebrahtu and Basilios Zemo of Radio Bana, Meles Negusse Kiflu, who worked for Radio Bana and Radio Zara, Girmay Abraham of Radio Dimtsi Hafash and Petros Teferi.

        “We are delighted to learn of the release of these six journalists, which is an exceptional development in the terrible conditions prevailing in Eritrea, said Cléa Kahn-Sriber, the head of the Reporters Without Borders Africa desk. At this point, we don’t have additional information about the circumstances of their release or their state of health. We will obviously follow the situation closely.”

        “””At least seven other journalists who were rounded up in February 2009 – Mohammed Said Mohammed, Biniam Ghirmay, Esmail Abd-el-Kader, Araya Defoch, Mohammed Dafla, Simon Elias and Yemane Hagos – were released on bail in March 2013.

        The most dramatic event in the February 2009 wave of arrests was a raid on Radio Bana, a small radio station in the centre of the capital that broadcast educational programmes sponsored by the education ministry. All of its staff – about 50 journalists – were taken to Dobozito detention centre on the outskirts of the capital without any explanation being given.

        According to the figures compiled by Reporters Without Borders, 16 other journalists, including Dawit Isaak and Seyoum Tsehaye, continue to be detained in Eritrea.”””

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Nitricc,

          When you don’t believe professionals yes it is possibile. DIA’s presence in the dam site is an insult to his own institution. Eritrean Institute of Technology is graduating 100s of engineers each year and only one or two engineers were enough to take that position. But, DIA never trusted the graduates and took the position by himself. How can your school forgot to give you this introductory lesson (Sal’s school of thought). I am sure you were chasing Hayat at that time.

          Seriously,

          The project site was designed Segen and especially engineer Micheal, one of the brilliant engineers who graduated from Asmara University was responsible man during the initial phase of the project. I know students from EIT, civil engineering department 2011 graduants, who did their senior project in the desing of this dam. I personally attended their paper presentation. In engineering, design is the hardest phase. And it is done by Eritreans themselves.

          Presence of DIA is to fulfill his long waited dreams, to fill his missing opportunity as a civil engineer from Ethiopian university. Dreams are hard unless fulfilled.

          I remember one piece of advice about doing things on the right time.

          One rich man was living in a big city. He accumulated sound amout of money from his hard work and succesful business career. Finally, he asked if he fulfilled all his life journey. He was no doubt about his adolescence period successful journey. But he found one missing life journey and that is he never went to a kinder garden. His family were so poor that they could not let him stay there during his early period of his childhood. Then, he thought that it is good to fulfill that missing gap.

          He built a big kindergarden, very modern and well equiped, invited children for free and spent two years there playing with the kids. Done, no missing life journey.

          And now, this is what DIA is doing. Dream is hard to miss if not fulfilled on time.

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Nitricc,

      Adi Halo is 10-20km away from Mereb. Definitely within easy reach of Ethiopia’s army…

      Best wishes,

      FS

      • Nitricc

        Thanks FS. you should be more involved and voice your opinion more often. you seem to be a voice of reason and commonsense.
        Thanks.

        • Fnote Selam

          Thank you Nitricc…BTW, I was just messing with you given you weren’t aware that IA is spending most of his time in Adi Halo and that seems to worry you a bit. Adi Halo is not far from May Nefhi.

          I will try to get involved more. I am not well versed in politics, but I think I can bring the experience of the so called ‘Sawa Generation’…

          Best wishes,

          FS.

  • Tesfabirhan WR

    Dear Saay7,

    I thought that this article is very resourcesful scanning it first and being deceived by its big title covered under “ism”. Ok, the master guru of Issaiasism. Well, I don’t understand why you brought Afro when non of the case presented talk about it. Camouflaging won’t get us were we want.

    Anyway,

    In 5th sentence of your first paragraph paragraph, you put, “What they tell us about Eritrea’s governance; what those who argue they can govern the country better than the ruling party can glean from it (but won’t). This single half part of the whole sentence has spoiled yhe whole article.

    Justice seekers today are not for who will govern better. This skirmish between the EPLF and ELF strong freedom fighters was oer by now. Today, the question is, Eritreans are living in prison, slavery and poor life condition. They want to be FREE from this.

    The people themselves know that they be self governed. I don’t know why saay7, with such a good calibre cannot believe on the simple democratic governance system. The people does not need big parties, does not need ideology, does not need bla bla. The people should be given a chance to governed by himself. People in today’s Eritrea are not alien people. They lived there since the birth of human being. WHy then the people are not trusted for their ability to govern themselves.

    Underestimating and self pride has killed the content of this whole article. No surprise though re-reading his whole 15 years articles.

    Eritreans need more than anytime FREEDOM. They are not in the state of who will govern them or who is better. A slave has no choice except being freed. It is not a POWER struggle.

    tes

    • selam

      @ Tesfe .we have seen your articles Tesfe and what ever you say is your opinion because you are not some one who is dependent to facts and statistics like what your read from the above article. I can confidently say that Tesfe you are just practicing polictics so that i do not blame you any way. But to brush such article by saying “”””ism is just ignorance at its best , i hope you do not take my reply personal but a point to think deep and face the facts . To the owner of this article i wish we have so many people like you .

      To Awate.com team you people are just great and you deserve my vote to greatness.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear selam,

        If you believe that I am expressing my opinion, I don’t understand why you skipped all saay7’s work to my few lines. saay7 has put his whole article and you have all on the table to talk about, praise about., analyse and criticise. Kindly, forget me if my lines are meaningless. Talk about the article.

        Kindly ignore me. Don’t be lazy and simply say, “awate team, you are great.” Obvious AT are great, no question about it. They are communicating with the people and lets communicate with them with what ever means we can.

        Therefore, selam habtey, focus on the article and come with your own words. Don’t go after me and waste your energy if my lines are meaningless.

        With all respect
        hawki
        tes

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam, how many people are reading by now you think? people from opposition and supporters even the so call silent majority are all reading. the article is written by one intelligent,genius, smart, creative man. That all doesn’t make him perfect from A to Z. He may have some negative side that most

    • Nitricc

      Tes, forget the dictionary. look at the African map and Eritrea is on Afro map. you scares me,though. Bread comes before freedom.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        I kindly say, you are wrong Nitricc. Bread comes always with freedom. In fact, FREEDOM = BREAD. No one heads the other. And I can’t pretend by saying “Freedom comes before bread.” They are one and unseparable. In a normal world, a world with justice, no one questions freedom and bread and no one brings the other ahead of the other.

        Nitricc, I don’t know why you are skipping to my few lines by the way. If I scared you, ignore me. Point. talk about the article. Remember, saay7 is a writer who is coming with his article in front of the audience. He is not coming to feed us. He is putting his idea and lets talk.

        • Nitricc

          Tes, you are a funny man. I tell you what go one day with out food and experience hunger and come talk to me which come first. This is where Africans went wrong. if the Africans make a little scarifies and achieve food security; then they could have become a free and a real freedom. there is no freedom when you are fed by aid, charity and order by the westerners to the brim.
          so, please understand the meaning of real freedom. when any country do something the USA does not like, the first thing the USA say is CUT THE AID, suspend the aid. and who ever the country is comply with whatever the USA or the west want. so, please don’t contaminate the real meaning of freedom and real freedom can not be achieved with out food security. i.e. bread comes before Freedom.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitricc, I have said it time and time again to you the saying of our culture “ካብ ፍትፍቱ ፊቱ”. yet we could have discussed which one is first if we see one – bread or democracy. But PFDJ couldn’t give one, ኣይ ፊቱ ኣይፍትፍቱ -none. good for nothing.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Nitricc,

            What happened to Africa is different from what you are trying to explain. In Africa, colonizers took the land first. The people was forced to live in cities and their fertile land was taken by rich investers from outside. Finally, the people having nothing to eat, they handed them a flag but kept them a hostage of food donations. In fact, Europeans changed the whole game and said, “if you need your freedom, first accept our bread.” This is exactly what PFDJ did and is doing. PFDJ took all the land through national proclamation, conscripted all able men to the military section and after realizing nothing is left to the people, he brought the coupon system, the bread, and said, if you need your freedom, first take this coupon and to take the coupon you have to be within their file list.

            Dear Nitricc, don’t talk kindly on the things that you have no idea about.

            Anyway, Lesson III (today will be a lesson on thesis defence, higher for you, but I need you to catch-up fast).

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sqCSqZ4D8

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Tesfat & others,

      This past week I was trying to show the configuration and alliances in the opposition camp. In that I indicated that there are opinions for reformism within the opposition camp. The outcry I heard from haw Mahmud was mind boggling to say the least. Here now in this article, haw Saay elaborated the possible prescriptions the “3rd and 4th” paragraph from the bottom that reflect the desire of reformism as an exit strategy from the predicament we are in. Both possible scenario calls both directly & indirectly for reformed PFDJ to lead the change – the cosmetic change. I hope those who were blindly arguing, that there are not reformist in the opposition to read it clearly written on the wall now. This article proved my argument and bring to an end the simmering debate on the issue of reformist. Thank you Saay. Beside that I will not add my opinion, for I have written an article against that view few weeks ago.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Kokhob Selam

        yes that is very clear now. I still wonder why such intelligent man has chosen the wrong way. Look how he has pictured the reality – few can see the situation supported by figures and it was analyzed well. But change is suppose to be changing the situation and instead of concentrating in changing the opposition and circumstances, in here it seems to me he is surrendering hopelessly. He forgot there was a time when the truth was lost under a big mountain called national freedom. what is there to worry about in this stage? isn’t PFDJ exposed and rejected even by it’s own people?

        Most probably this sharp mind man is just putting the article to hear and see and examine what people will say.

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Kokhobay,

          Let’s pay attention to a recent interview done between Dr. Russom and Ambassador Andebrhan. He was good enough to protect his atmosphere by outling “rule of law”. First, he delineates his area of authority and gets full control of his work area.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uah5ixKkIdY&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534

          The very question could have being, “did they have laws first”. Ambasador Andebrhan knew very well that intervention is common and then to declare his autonomy within, he demands his rights and protects himself from abusers. He is a smart man to make himself protected in the country guided by the rule of the jungle.

          I don’t know why Ambassador and his likes failed to delineate the power excerise of their boss, dictator Issaias if they are such brilliant individuals to protect themselves. Were they greedy and selfish only on themselves? Why they forgot to create law that can protect the nation first? Were they caring only on their position?

          And then, why they are calling a change from within if they failed before to do so? Can’t they dismantle the PFDJ system and build a system that protects all people? Why they are excluding the people and preferred to reform from within?

          Questions I have are unlimited.

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            I use to wonder the late Haile Fidas stand on side of Mengstu. you are young and I know why you wonder. you are so clean and innocent you will face some difficult times watching opportunist intellectuals. The good news is every society is rich in having heroes in every stage, yet it needs watching things carefully . society seldom recognizes the true leaders and that makes them suffer longer than they should. God always create real honest people among them but creates the opposite too.

            our request is clear, we need rule and system and that cannot be accomplished under criminal leadership. There was no time in history where our people differentiate false from truth more than today but needs more work. keep it up Tesfa.

      • Tesfabirhan WR

        Dear Amanuel H.,

        I completely agreed with you and now it is a crystal clear to those who were in doubt. I didn’t want to go into detail as his 5th sentence of the 5th paragraph has everything why reformism is their choice. They not sure about the future and they don’t trust the exisiting opposition make-up. They have excluded themselves as real justice seekers and preferred to just demand PFDJ to reform from within.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBqzRJEOqsg

        The very basic problem with the reforming issue is, “they don’t trust the people”. They believe that only a complete domination is the means to rule Eritreans. They agree with PFDJ that totalitarianism is good for the Eritrean people. The only problem they have is, “Issaias is working alone to dictate the people.” They want more dictators to be present within the PFDJ rank. The people for them is silent, toothless and has no where to go except being ruled by a strong leader.

        This is a curse haw Amanuel Hidrat.

        tes

      • Peace!

        Dear Emma,

        I think you know better than anybody that politics is all about solving differences and get the job done. Perhaps because we see “meaningful change” in different ways, it is totally normal for concerned citizens to come up with different approaches. You have been calling for dismantlement of PFDJ (assuming it is a system) without providing a practical strategy to dismantle the system and deal with its legacy, and you have repeatedly failed to answer a simple question as to what would you do with the ordinary PFDJ who are fighting along side the oppositions to reclaim the country and the freedom they fought for decades. Last but not least, your green light for Ethiopia to look after its interest without questioning any implication might have on Eritrean sovereignty and its future is something you may have to think about.

        Dear Emma, I think your challenge should be why the silent majority remains silent despite your claim that your strategy to bring a meaningful change is better than others.

        peace!

        • Tesfabirhan WR

          Dear Peace!,

          Peace be up on us. The thing is, people are not able to understand what the complication is between the opposition camp. We need first to identify the complexity within the opposition camp. I think through bold discussion by now we are able to identify the complexity.

          The next stage is solutions.

          Before, Amanuel H comes with his own strategy, the other party rejects it. Saay comes with his own strategy the other rejects it. EPDP comes with his won strategy the other party rejects and so on. Worse, new parties or groupings are hatched now and then thinking that they have the best solution ever. Just lets see what happened between 2011 and 2014. We have seen the birth of EYSC and its division (EYSC AND EYNSC. now, EMYNS), birth of Medrek, birth of ELL, birth of EFND, etc. Everyone claims that his way is his highway.

          Dear Peace, peace be uo on us, the main thing we should do first by now is to identify the source of the problem. Just look here at awate.com, a website that works for justice has two sorts of ideas, reforming and dismantling. saay7 and SGJ. Both are fighting for change to come in Eritrea but their means is different.

          Are we saying that the reformering idea is bad or the dismantlers idea is good? As Tesfabirhan, yes I oppose Reform but I am ready to sit with my counter part and discuss in order to bring a way that we can work together. Rejecting one to the other has only benefited PFDJ.

          Look EPDP, they rejected to sit with Bayto as they put a pre-condition though they are ok with Medrek. Can I ask you one thing please. saay7 and SGJ are together and their means difference did not let them go and break away. This is a good lesson for us on how two ideas can survive. It is a sign on future Eritrea to survive with two opposite ideas and yet make a significant impact, just like awate.com to the mass media out-lets. Difference is idea or means is beauty and is a strength.

          Our call is to tell everybody that the oppsoition camp has two big categories and unless these two categories sit together, discuss and narrow their difference, change will not be achieved soon as we wish to be though there is no doubt about the change.

          To finalise, it is not whether Amanuel Hidrat’s strategy worked or not, or Saay7’s way is best and safest or not. The complexity is, no one knows clearly what is blocking the opposition groups from coming together.

          Dear Peace, peace upon us, I know you are ok with reformism and no problem but if you are happy, I want to work with you on the area that we both agree on. Peace be upon us.

          Sorry for the toblok lok (kemu eki tibli zeleki hakey, anbib tsenihkis, aytihafrin endike, just kidding)

          hawki
          tes

          • Peace!

            Dear Tes,

            In negotiation both sides should be winners. You are right it should not be what Emma says or vice versa rather it should be about finding a common ground and work together. I am for “Change from within” not necessarily through Reform even if dismantlement can be done from within, I am in too.

            peace!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Peace!

            Peace be up on us! And I am for dismantlment by combing all forces possible, the force from within and the force living outside. Eritreans where ever they are, be them as part-time, full time, passive or active, living inside Eritrea, all resources should be used.

            I am quite sure on your foereign intervention. I believe that now I am not at least talking with Hayat in this regard.

            Commonality: We both agree that the within force should be used. But, I need clarification on what you mean, “from within”. I will not be selfish to use the EDF force to control the presidential palace. But, if they stand against, just like that of Wedi-Ali, let it be. I am ok for any force that removes PFDJ. But, I will not exploit a particular force. Neverthless I think we can have some common strategy in this regard. Just we need more discussions.

            Aha, we should not spend time in fruitless discussion. Peace be up-on us.

            I want also more clarification on what you mean, “not necessarily”.

            Hawki
            tes

        • Sarah Ogbay

          Dear Peace,
          Greetings.
          If they are PFDJ then they can not be fighting alongside the opposition that is fighting for change that can bring about lasting peace through Justice. They (the PFDJ you are talking about) are fighting for position and power.

          ‘…fighting along side the oppositions to reclaim the country and the freedom they fought for decades.’ Then they are fighting for the land not for the people.

          One of the most important issues we need to distinguish and have a clear and common understanding about are ‘country’, and ‘nation’. We should stand and fight for our nation not the ‘country’. The piece of land will always be there with or without the people. A country becomes a country because of the people. The PFDJ you are talking about are fighting for the land which is equal to a territory.
          If you think I have understood you in a wrong way please explain who these PFDJ you are talking about are.
          You asked about what Amanuel would do with them. I would say ‘they would be done what they did to the Eritrean people’ period.
          As to the use of the word ‘dismantling’, please do not understand it literally. Institutions stand for principles and purposes. In democratic Eritrea, institutions will stand for the purpose of serving people not for spying on them, not as mechanisms of of installing fear in Eritreans or molding selfish generations lacking confidence etc. So dismantling PFDJ institutions means disarming them of the poisonous purposes completely and then arming them with good will to serve and respect Eritreans who stand up for their rights.

          • Peace!

            Dear Sara,

            Greetings!

            I thought G15 and their supporters are PFDJ. Am I wrong?

            peace!

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Peace!

            G-15 and the 10,000 prisoners that we are crying for are looking for JUSTICE. Can’t we underline this?

            Yes, G-15 thought that PFDJ can be reformed within and they were meant for JUSTICE to be on Eritrea. But, the question is, what to reform? PFDJ from its very birth is UNREFORMABLE and has no room for those who demand to do that. G-15 totally forgot the system they built.

            I understand your cry, but, the dismantlement strategy is the way in which G-15 were actually looking for. Just they forgot where they were.

            Lets open our mind and look beyond the foggy window that we are within. We have a FREE atmosphere with bright light.

            hawki
            tes

          • Sarah Ogbay

            Tesfabirhan and Peace,
            tesfabirhan hawey, if Peace is talking about G15 they fought for justice and we give them justice. My apologies if I seem vindictive. I never meant an eye for an eye. I stand corrected.
            Peace hawey/haftey, thank you for clarifying. I had some people with Opposition overall and PFDJ underwear and are flexing their muscle alongside the opposition.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Dr. Sara,

            I share your pain Dr. Sara. I many times make errors and even sometimes big mistakes because of the inside deep youth grievance I have. within.

            just people like Nitricc are inhumane and don’t see beyond the words and thereby change it for their own perceived accusations.

            It is not for you but for all of us not to be exploited by such chauvinists. They are just looking on our emotions. They don’t allow people to express freely their inside feelings. They want us to speak rigourously. They want to discipline us when we are already in their custody.

            With greetings
            tes

          • Semere Andom

            HI Sara:
            I did not take that line negatively, I understood it to be no sin should go unpunished. But what is punishment: It is the grueling due process, the exposing of the crimes and criminals, giving the most notorious criminals among us the “merciless” due process and the ‘”merciful” rendering of justice. No sin should go un punished. Living good, in peace and justice is the ultimate revenge. Doing on to them what they did to us, should not be interpreted as gathering them and shooting them or putting them in Ela-Ero as they did to us. It is humiliating them with the due process, with their day in the court of law in the land of the law, the regret that they had that chance render justice and due process, the shame to give them justice, the justice of punishing their sins is doing to them what they did to the people they will suffer because of our justice, we suffered because of their cruelty. That was my understanding 🙂
            Sem

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr. Sarah,
            I don’t think you need to apologize. I saw it precisely how Sem has read to your input. An honest person can not read it outside the description haw Semere put it. “Kiseniy deA” with what you have said.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Gonbel

            Semere,
            We are talking about a country that has a large segment of the population uninformed by design or legacy at this point. Due process requires much more investment and time than many here would like us to believe. The wish list has to be tempered with reality. There is a lot that went horribly wrong but far more important is how to salvage what is left and move forward. Granted that moving forward requires some of the architects to be held accountable. That is why Sarah’s comment was challenged.

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Dr. Sara,

            Here, what awate team message is for justice. I love it and I am sharing with you to kick Nitricc

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=6zICDYLbhjM&x-yt-cl=84503534

          • Tesfabirhan WR

            Dear Dr. Sara,

            No words to thank you. You put it in a simple and clear way. You know, student is a student. Thank you my dear professor.

            With greetings!
            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Doctor Sarah Ogbay,

            You are “Dawit endelibey” for me. And “eta le’At misaki eya zela” by that I mean hold your grip, that should be the way to go.
            Hawki,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Dr. Sara great plan. Dr. Sara will write from Sweden; Aman H will complain from his comfort in USA, Tes will scream from France and here you have it the fundamental change is right on. really?
            the other day SG did not agree with me but when an opposition confuses justice with revenge; you are done. you are loaded with an appetite to revenge; it does not work that way. any change with out including the PFDJ is not going to happen. simple.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc, the shrink, the psychoanalyst and now military futurist the Mr. AvinToffler, it depends how the struggle will progress, but the most likely scenario is when the people finally had nothing to lose they will uproot PFDJ and weed it out. People said that no change will come in Ethiopia w without the Dergi Ethiopia. When IA abandons them all, a temporary military guy will be there, he cannot last because he has no clue. If PFDJ is running a normal government your predication would be possible and most likely. But we also know that there are insiders who hate PFDJ and IA and are staying put and when this people topple IA, this is not a change that included PFDJ, being PFDJ is not physical proximity or card carrying, it is the state of mine, the believe system, the value system. If Wedi Ali succeeded, this is not a change that include PFDJ. A change that includes PFDJ is IA changes heart and tries to reform saving his skin, redeeming himself, but that is long shot, probable, but not possible, or possibility on the edge of impossibility

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Peace,
          I have never missed that politics is the art of administrating the interest of diversity view. In all the last 23 years of my struggle I have been calling to my fellow Eritrean to listen each other’s grievance. And you know PFDJ was PFDJ, still PFDJ – they dictate for everything. They are arrogant, that not only they don’t listen to other stakeholders, but also liquidate to those who raised their voice of concern from their circle. I hope you realize this fact.

          Peace, you still misrepresent my argument. Dismantling “a party” and dismantling “a system” is two different things. I am for “dismantling the system and the institutions of oppression.” I want you to read my articles again. In fact I have mad clear when I debate with saay and Mahmud that when the regime is changed and Justice is observed (criminals to face the court of justice), it is up to PFDJ members to have either a “new party” or retain the “hated party” during the transitional process. There is no fair democracy without observing their rights. How many times I will repeat this, I don’t know. If you read my approach on how the transitional should be, I don’t opt any party to lead the transitional process. I want the transitional process to be lead by “independent technocrat” that allows the parties (including PFDJ) to start from the same plain field during the “democratic electoral process”. That must be clear on how to handle the members of PFDJ.

          As to the issue how to dismantle the “regime and its system, None of the all alternatives we have debated is realistic at this time. The opposition camp is not united not only on how to dismantle it, but also how to define the nature of the regime. The coup callers want it to be democratic coup. And that in itself tells you the misdiagnosis of the regime we have. So Peace, I wish the opposition has a “united understanding” about the nature of the regime and a “united strategy” fighting by all means necessary to topple the regime. That includes coordinating with the possible forces of change from inside. We are not there yet. Eritreans haven’t yet ears to listen each other. In such scenario, how ever and who ever bring changes, my focus is on the transitional process. Once again if the transitional process is undemocratic, the tyrant might go, but the oppression and marginalization will persist. The attitude I am observing now is exactly that. I hope I am clear now.

          About the silent majority: If there are really silent majority so to speak at this crucial time, they are opportunists. Eritrea and its people doesn’t belong to the opposition or to the regime supporters, it also belong to them and must offer their share to the struggle.