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Eritrean Dictator Uses the Netherlands as an Outpost

Reports from the Netherlands indicate that the Dutch government is anxious about the visit of Yemane Gebreab, the Eritreans president’s adviser, who has entered the Netherlands with a Schengen visa.

PFDJ, the only and unelected Eritrean ruling party since 1993 has an affiliate international organization known as YPFDJ that supports the Eritrean government by spying on Eritrean opposition elements as well as collecting and channeling money to the Eritrean regime.

Tesfamariam*, a young man who arrived in Germany two years ago and lives in a shelter said, “while the UN imposes sanctions on the Eritrean regime, some Europeans do not seem to care and provide ground for its far reaching oppressive measures.”

Yemane Gebreab, the godfather of the youth association that he formed several years ago, is in the Netherlands to preside over the association’s 13th European congress, which will be held on Saturday, April 15, at the NH Hotel in Veldhoven, a town along the Gender stream southeast of Eindhoven.

Asked for a comment, Solomon*, a naturalized Eritrean resident of the Netherlands chuckled and said, “blessed be our Dutch government, it is so appalled by the Eritrean dictator that it promised to punish him by making sure no Dutch official meets his adviser Yemane Gebreab…”

The PFDJ and its offspring the YPFDJ are known for its interference and harassing of legal Dutch associations of people with Eritrean ancestry—including churches.

Eritrean refugees who express their opposition of the government are often harassed and intimidated by the PFDJ and its affiliate organizations. The Eritrean refugees in the Netherlands, numbering about 20, 000, are the second largest block after the Syrian refugees.

The Eritreans have sought asylum in the Netherlands after fleeing their country due to the oppressive nature of the government, that forces the youth to serve indefinitely in labor camps and endless conscription. The national service proclamation of 1995 limited service to 18 months, but soon it became indefinite; the only way for the youth to avoid the servitude is to flee the country braving border patrols who often operate under shoot to kill orders.

About 5 to 6 thousand refugees leave Eritrea every month heading to Ethiopia and Sudan from where they trek the deserts risking ISIS kidnapping in Libya. Once in Libya, they risk being kidnapped, sold and resold between traffickers before they reach the Mediterranean Sea to board boats to either reach the shores of Europe or perish at Sea.

Europe has been indecisive on how to deal with the oppressive Eritrean regime, according to Solomon, “while European governments express their disapproval of the regime’s nature, their policy in dealing with it is mainly one of appeasing to the dismay of many Eritreans and their friends.”

Solomon added, “I don’t understand why the Dutch government treats destructive, anti-democratic regime, to operate in its territories and provide security for its congress when the regime is the cause of the thousands of Eritrean youth that the Netherlands is sheltering.”

Despite the shy comments by Dutch officials in expressing their uneasiness about the congress, they seem to take the matter lightly. As a reaction to the situation, on Saturday April 15, Eritreans will meet in Rotterdam central to demonstrate against the repressive Eritrean regime.

Dutch lawmakers have adopted motions to investigate if the Eritrean consulate in the Netherlands is implicated in criminal acts, and whether the regime’s network is engaged in unlawful collecting of funds in the Netherlands. The result of the investigation might lead to the closure of the Eritrean embassy.

Dutch media have given wide coverage of the visit by Isaias Afwerki’s adviser to the country, while many politicians and activists are calling their government to ban Yemane Gebread, like the ban that the Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte imposed on the two Turkish ministers last March. They had arrived in the Netherlands to join the Turkish community’s rally in support of a constitutional referendum in Turkey.

* Many Eritrean prefer not to give their real names for fear of reprisal and for the safety of their relatives in Eritrea 

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  • ‘Gheteb

    ‘Gheteb: Bits And Bytes

    Greetings!!

    Here is Kibrom Dafla in his own words not only admitting his role in the disruption of the YPFDJ Conference in Veldhoven, but the premeditated complicity of the Dutch authorities in trying to find a PRETEXT to cancel the conference.

    I have been saying it and here it is in black and white for those who have the gumption of calling a spade nothing but a spade!

    ” እቲ ምምሕዳር ከተማን ማእኸላይ መንግስትን ሆላንድ ናትና ተቓውሞ ይጽበ ኣሎ። ነቲ ኣኼባ ክዓጽዎ ናትና ተቓውሞ ይጽበ ኣሎ። ጋዜጣን ሜድያን ኩሎም ኣብኡ ፈሲሶም ኣለዉ። እዚ ከምልጠና ዘይብሉ ታሪኻዊ ዕድል እዩ።”.

    This can be found in my first comment/response to Haile Zeru’s claim that Wedi-Dafla being a “JIGNA”. The link is from Kibrom Dafla Hosabay Tweeter.

    Just call it as you see it and nothing more. No spinning and dodging will ever erase a person’s transgressions in obstructing the FREE assembly of young Eritreans in a country that not only professes to be free, but also lectures countries like Eritrea about Democracy, Rule Of Law, Civil Liberties and all the democratic trappings.

    • Haile Zeru

      Gheteb sour grapes,

      -Kubrom is JIGNA!!!. No amount of crap writing on your side will erase his accomplishment. It is sealed in history.
      What you quoted him saying is within his democratic rights to say it. Nothing criminal about that.

      -What is glaringly obvious is though, how mentally you are enslaved to DIA worship. So much so that
      you cannot see what other ordinary humans can see. Despite your sophistication in writing there is something
      terrible amiss in you.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi Haile Zeru,

        I have surpassed and I am way beyond an affiliation based on a primordial sub-ethnic solidarity such as that based on being a MensaE !

        • Haile Zeru

          Of course Gheteb

          -You are beyond and below everything. Idolatry is a mortal sin for some religions and politically a mental problem that needs medical attention. You idolize DIA beyond and over anything. You are living in some sort of time warp. It seems your Horizon has been squeezed too small to see anything beyond that.

          -The whole country is being driven to disaster and your are singing hymns for DIA.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Selam Tzigereda,

    You are saying that ” the eritrean government ( biHtawit media of IA) Eri Tv, it seems as if nothing special happened in Veldhoven”.

    I didn’t get what you are trying to say here. But, if you are implying that the Eritrean media is trying to hide something here, well, it is all out in the public now as it was and is still being broadcasted world wide.

    I think what happened in Veldhoven is “nothing special”, but an act of sheer THUGGERY perpetrated by low rent thugs and hooligans working for “the Daffla Mobs”.

    BTW, do you support or oppose the violence laden and physical attacks committed by those who were demonstrating against the YPFDJ Conference in Veldhoven?

    What do you say about the women (females) attacked violently by the thugs who shamelessly profess and call themselves “Justice Seekers”?

    • Tzigereda

      Selam Gheteb,
      Where is the evidence? Eri-tv said ” Conference biAwet tezazimu”🙂
      I have nothing more to add to what Saay and other awate forumers have already told you:)

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Tzigereda,

        Good to know that you have nothing to add and this makes all the things that you bloviate about the women issue and feminist stuff a MEANINGLESS palaver and a heap of unrelieved NONSENSE!

        Q.E.D

  • blink

    Dear All
    The justice seekers scored second goal against ,these who are supporting the dictator . While i whole heartily support and approve the action , i was not sure about the violent nature of some protesters ( i just saw it on YouTube) . They should do it in a more smart way because such violent action will not serve us good in the long run . we must remember these kids are young and they are brainwashed by HGDEF and we need a better way of opposing them. How we deal with such people can be a way on how we oppose each other in the democratic Eritrea.

    Sad news about mihret death , really sad ,This woman served her country as it fits her from 1978 . I can not imagine the wish and stress she has for 16 years , such people did not say a word about how they feel . It is beyond any once imagination ,how cruel and evil these gangsters (isaias and his cronies ), I mean how can you do such inhumane thing to some one who throw his/her life for his/her people. At this time and age Mihret should have in a better place with her beloved husband but could not because of one person (isaias ) , I blame isaias for her death.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam Blink,

      Let me ask you this since you are saying many things at the same time.

      Do you oppose or support the rights of these young Eritreans to FREELY gather and assemble to discuss any issue freely and without being obstructed by a bunch of thugs, hoodlums and hooligans?

      Do you oppose or support these young Eritreans have the right to join any organizations they choose and REJECT others?

      I mean you are talking about “democratic Eritrea” here and I want to see if your commitment to democratic ideals is just paying lip service like those Eritrean opposition groups as is clearly exampled by Cuz SAAY.

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi All,
    Wedi DAFLA JIGAN made it again. I knew Kubrom in Asmera after independence, 1994 to 2003. I was always wondering how is this intelligent man managing to go along with these bunch of idiots HGDEF (Higi Gidef).
    I heard his interview when he dumped this mafia system, PFDJ. And I realized how uncomfortable he was. We need more of Kubrom Dafla to corner the monkies and their godfather.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi Haile Zeru,

      You said, ” Wedi DAFLA JIGNA made it again”. What was his first act of “heroism”? All that is known about this person is that he was a member of EPLF Hafash Wudbat (mass organization) and he dealt with some accounting/billing aspects of the EPLF somewhere in Italy. Later on he worked in Eritrea in the finance/ air line sector.

      Now he has definitely taken the role of a ring leader of “Mob/thugs” who have openly taken on violence and attacking law abiding Eritreans with the tacit approval of the Dutch authorities. I think he will be remembered more as a leading THUGGSTER and nothing more, even if you are going to write tomes about “Wedi DAFLA JIGNA” heroism. Here he is the ring leader of “the Daffla Mobs” In flagrante delicto.

      http://disq.us/p/1hw4udy

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Gheteb,

        Haile Z. said: “I was always wondering how is this intelligent man managing to go along with these bunch of idiots HGDEF (Higi Gidef).”

        We have to assume that Haile Z. is very smart enough to differentiate between those who are intelligent and those who are idiots. Can you picture in your mind Haile sitting on a high chair, while the intelligent and the idiotic are filing past?

      • Haile Zeru

        Hi Gheteb,
        I am calling him Jigna for what he did against YPFDJ in Holland. This is the second time he is standing against the bullies. The first time in court (to help someone else) and this time on the streets. As for his contributions for EPLF and PFDJ you can listen his interviews.
        BTW, who are you? and what did you do to disparage other peoples contribution?

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi Haile Zeru,

          So, if someone goes to court and gathers a bunch of hoodlums and hooligans to attack others in a criminal manner, then your ” Wedi DAFLA JIGNA” is no better than a low-rent THUGSTER and a common criminal. Nothing more and nothing less.

          I am a nobody who calls a spade a spade when I see the likes of the ringleader of “the Daffla Mob” perpetrating a heinous crime in front of the public eye. I have never claimed to be more than an Eritrean citizen and never a “JIGNA” as you have described “WEDI-DAFLA” as a “JIGNA”. You logic is bizarrely off-kilter.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Gheteb,
            you said: “I am a nobody…”

            HZ: – Wedi Dafla is somebody

            Gheteb: “…perpetrating a heinous crime..”

            HZ: -Because he went to court and demonstrated on the streets of Amsterdam?
            Then what do you call the crimes of those that are emptying Eritrea of its young people?
            the policies and action of your idol DIA?
            And those that are building jails in Eritrea, and give orders shoot to kill on the boarders?
            You are insensed for simple scractch and you defend those who are “…perpetrating
            [real] heinous crime..”

            Gheteb: ” I have never claimed to be more than an Eritrean citizen…”

            HZ: -I have to say you are a bad citizen. One with blind allegiance to DIA. Re-read what you wrote so far at awate.com. Blind allegiance to anybody is bad.

            Gheteb: “You logic is bizarrely off-kilter.”

            HZ:- what about your logic? You condone (as per your writing) the crimes of HIGDEF and you raise to the level of crime a simple street demonstration.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Haile Z.,

            Quote:
            Gheteb: “You logic is bizarrely off-kilter.”
            HZ:- what about your logic? You condone (as per your writing) the crimes of HIGDEF and you raise to the level of crime a simple street demonstration.
            :Unquote

            This is a logical fallacy, you are saying: your logic is as bad as mine, so it is Okay if mine is bad too!

            By the way, Eritrean politics is not as simple as you are presenting it to be, in particular as it relates to the G15.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Haile Zeru,

            You made a claim that WEDI-DAFLA is a “JIGNA”. I challenged you to prove your claim. The onus of substantiating your claim is on you. And, you have so far failed in buttressing your claim even with a smidgen of plausible argument.

  • MS

    Selam All
    Today I heard about the passing of MiHret Eyob, the wife of Beraki Gebreselassie, one of the G15. RIP dear MiHret. MeHret was subjected to raise her kids without their father present around them.
    Yesterday we heard about the battle between YPFDJ and opponents of the regime in one of Holland’s city. The case went to court and the conference that YPFDJ was planned to hold was cancelled. I have not followed if there is an appeal process going underway. Awatistas commented on this issue. Here is my take.
    1. YPFDJ may have the right to use all legal venues to continue beautifying the face of PFDJ.
    2. The opponents of the regime also have the right to use every legal venue to oppose the regime’s activities, one of them is this so called YPFDJ organization. If one opposes the activities of the regime, it is natural that one will oppose the activities of this organization too. If the regime is PFDJ, then it follows that YPFDJ is also PFDJ.
    3. The case went to the court and both sides had the opportunity to explain themselves. Opposing YPFDJ activity does not make one undemocratic, but makes him/her understanding democracy and using it to their benefit. That’s what democracy is. It provides you with tools.
    4. Morally, those who opposed the YPFDJ have a point because the supposed YPFDJ conferences or other activities of PFDJ tentacles are meant to give the world a different narratives of what going on in Eritrea. These activities are meant to buttress the explanation of the government that all is good back home. They are not going to ask about Mehret and her predicament in raising her kids without their father; they are not meant to advocating for a due process for the disappeared; they are not meant to call on PFDJ government that the wives, husbands, fathers, brothers, sisters of the disappeared have a day of peaceful assembly in Eritrea, in front of the office of the president, the justice Minister, the AG, or the prisons. On the contrary, these activities of PFDJ are meant to be a rebuttal to the calls Eritreans and the international community are making to pressure the government in releasing prisoners of conscience and to account for the disappeared.
    5. PFDJ will find ways of conducting its activities. It’s one of the most adapting organizations ever seen thanks to the long history it inherited from the EPLF of conducting business under the table. The opponents of the regime should also learn on becoming EQUALLY adapting TO SITUATIONS.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahan Mahmoud,
      Indeed, the death of Mihret is a reminder of what we are going through as a nation. I herd that early morning and my mood has been spoiled until now.

      On the Holland issue, the court case is not between the justice seekers and the PFDJ. It is between the YPFDJ and the court–the city of Veldhoven decided to cancel the event and the YPFDJ appealed the city’s decision. The court supported the city’s right to decide . They lost the case yesterday–their meeting was supposed to be today, and the court further told them, everybody must leave the place by 8 pm friday–they did that with their tails somewhere 🙂

      But do not forget to send condolences message to Semere T, he feels injustice was committed in Veldhoven–I think the Netherlands needs to learn how to dispense justice from the PFDJ.

    • saay7

      Hala MaHmuday:

      “The passing” whitewashed it: separated from her beloved husband for 16 years, she killed her self. This is why Semere said “it’s a sad day for Eritrea when veteran fighters, whose veteran spouses are arrested without due process and wasting away in jail, decide to commit suicide.”

      No of course he didn’t. His priorities are so messed up you need the worlds biggest sorting machine to rearrange them.

      saay

      • Kebessa

        Selam saay,
        Shabait mentioned no cause, but EriTv in Tigrigna said she had been receiving medical treatment at home and abroad. Also out of its norm, PFDJ made no mention she has kids.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Kebessa, yes, the propaganda organs of the PFDJ regime didn’t mention the late Memhir Mehret had kids, because probably they thought if they did so, then someone with the normal brain would start asking who her kids are and who their father is and his whereabout. You see, it is so stupid, so dumb, and so painful to be the mouthpiece of the PFDJ or its supporter.

        • saay7

          Kebessa:

          What exactly is your point. Please don’t tell me you use these sources as reliable. If so, can you tell me where and when they mentioned the death of Naizghi Kflu? The Qatar mediation of Djibouti Eritrea feud? The death of hundreds of Eritreans in lamedusa? Of pilots and footballers who have defected? The death of Ahmed Kakay? The death of Mohammed Nur Taha? Both in prison?l of Eritreans children gunned down while crossing border? Of lawsuits against Nevsun? Of UAE presence in Asab? The death of Omar Tewil in prison?

          saay

          • Kebessa

            saay,
            You missed the point. Alternatively, I wasn’t clear.
            I first saw the news on pfdj media, but didn’t know she was Beraki’s wife. Then this morning I saw it in a much better detail on medrek website, which said she committed suicide.
            Bottom line, I didn’ trus the PFDJ version since they have motive to lie. I was just mentionong the PFDJ version.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Kebessa,

            And, have you asked the Mederek folks for evidence that the person has committed suicide?

            You only ask for evidence selectively, Kebessa, or do you want me to remind you here.

          • Kebessa

            Gheteb,
            No, I didn’t ask for evidence. I inspected the two sides of the story, I applied logic and motive, and I reached at the conclusion.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Kebessa,

            How convenient for you to use “logic” and “motive” to reach a conclusion you wanted to reach. Sorry neither what ‘Aba Khebdu’ reports in his Mederk Website nor your confirmation bias riddled is logically plausible.

            How do you know the person at hand committed suicide and did not die of natural cause? Unless you have credible evidence, which you DON’T, you can’t simply make that kind of a conclusion.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Mahmuday,

      Very sad news. Mihret has passed away while she was waiting her soul mate, her husband Beraki, to join her and their beloved kids before she leaves this temporary world. She has missed Beraki for 16 years, and left this world with sadness – all her hopes and wishes destroyed by the regime. I hope to get comfort in the hand of God. RIP the patriot.

      Regards

  • ‘Gheteb

    Ah, But The YPFDJ Meetings Goes On !

    Greetings!!

    The whole point about the YPFDJ Conference was to bring on these young Eritreans into one venue to discuss issues concerning Eritrea and to be apprised of the developments in Eritrea, political, social, diplomatic etc., etc. as led by The Eritrean government and the PFDJ.

    The issue was not and should never be about a bunch of political hoodlums and some of their adulators who seem to be driven by personal vendettas and a zero sum political views. It stinks to high heaven for one to witness their double standard. They are knotting themselves out of shape to find a rationale for the THUGGISH and VIOLENT behavior of those who were engaged in the disruption of a peaceful and legal meeting in Beldhoven.

    For now, certain reports indicate that the YPFDJ Conference that was BANNED by those powers who love to lecture Eritrea about the democratic ideals of freely assembly and they don’t even practice it, is split into three groups and the meeting is reportedly goin on in three different Dutch cities. I think that is well and dandy as the point of the Conference was never about political hooliganism as practiced by Kibrom Daffla and company, but it is about the getting together of these young Eritreans who have SPURRNED and rejected the politics of these political thugs as led by the Dafflas and the Mirjam van Reisens.

    The whole Beldhoven incident should be taken as a “teachable moment” for the young congregants, the leadership of the YPFDJ in assessing it’s future plan of action. Knowing fully the animus of most of the European and Western countries against Eritrea, not only against the PFDJ, and how skin-deep is ther commitment in upholding the democratic ideals, especially when it comes to the supporters of Eritrea and the PFDJ, more creative ways are needed in convening these YPFDJ Conferences, one of which is holding them no where but in Eritrea. ( See Quo Vadis YPFDJ Comment).

    As the YPFDJ has found creative ways of accomplishing its mission of the Conference by meeting in three different Dutch cities, we are here afforded a display the utter hypocrisy of those who are now speaking from both sides of their mouth.

    Yeah, talk about those who have been bloviating about democratic ideals when it came to their anti-PFDJ campaigns are now mum about the thuggery of the Daffla group. They have uttered nary a peep of condemnation against this wanton display of violence.

    • saay7

      Hey Cuz Gheteb:

      Well, that settles it. We should bleed and cry and sweat for the right of Eritrean Gov officials to proselytize in the Diaspora because after all that was the whole purpose of the armed struggle. Not for Eritreans in Eritrea to freely assemble, freely speak, freely hire and fire their government. Hell no. It was for our right to establish a dictatorship in Eritrea (our only beef with Ethiopia was that they spoke Amharic instead of Tigrinya) which shall have captive audiences all over the world to listen to EPLF 101.

      Eritreas eqhilcant of Declaration of Independence was a long litany against the Ethiopian king: that he lowered the Eritrean flag, that he banned Tigrinya-Arabic as official languages, that he banned the right to free assembly, that he banned the free press, that he intervened in Eritreans right to representative govt. Reading you and reading Semere I always wonder if you remember this and don’t think it’s important or u don’t remember it at all. At least Simon is crudely honest: he doesn’t thing Eritreans are politically mature enuff to handle it. What’s ur rationale?

      Saay

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hello Cuz SAAY,

        I know that you are not a DJ and you have consistently dodged and evaded answering simple questions and have gone on an overdrive of talking about issues that totally unrelated to the Beldhoven incident.

        We have documented cases of thuggery and unprovoked violence against the attendees of the Conference.

        Here are some of the evidence that I have so far culled from the media reports.

        (A) Journalist @jwnavis tweets that man in “blue coat” kicked someone in the head at the 13th #YPFDJ EU conference.
        9:53 AM – 15 Apr 2017 · Amsterdam, The Netherlands

        (B) At least three Eritrean “Singers” were attacked by “the Daffala Mob” while they wre heading to Conference venue.

        (C) The video records clearly and unambiguously show “the Daffla Mob” is nothing but a violence prone group of thugs, hoodlums and hooligans.

        I know you don’t think that those attendees have a constitutional rights to free assembly simply because they are members of YPFDJ and you have described them as “Youth-Crimes Against Humanity (Y- CAH)”.

        What is your stand about this particular phenomenon that has transpired right in front of the public eyes.

        Do NOT try to evade making your stands clear by conflating it to other issues such the governance of Eritrea, PFDJ malfeasance , the UN or those who are using the UN to further their own agendas. Try to give answers to what ” the Daffla Mob” has done so far and puleezzzz don’t bring the civil disobedience things as when you wrote;

        ” What the Eritreans did is called civil disobedience and sometimes people deliberately doing things to get arrested has a long honorable tradition in the civil rights movement going back to Ghandi MLK”.

        I have NOT read anywhere that “GhandiMLK” to have beaten up others in a violent prone demonstration, but “the Daffla Mob” has precisely done the violence, the physical attacks with all the trappings of a mob comprised of thugs!

        Hats off to the young Y-PFDJ members for showing such kind of maturity and discipline while those suffering from Adult-Infantilism have resorted to sheer violence.

        • saay7

          Ahlen Cuz Gheteb:

          Your youtube link is broken; couldn’t see it.

          I have been following @jwnavis tweets and so yes, he did report what you said: that a female conference attendant was kicked in the head. This is terrible, and more so when you consider the fact that the attendees are for the most part very young people.

          But what you left out: that 150 Eritreans demonstrators were arrested. And because the country has rule of law, due process, witnesses, they will be be tried in a court of law and receive their sentence.

          Your attempt to pin all this on Kubrom Daffla (“The Daffla Mob”) is transparent and you are straining yourself a bit too much because: (a) we heard the speech he gave before the demonstration and (b) after the demonstration. Nothing in his message was an enticement to violence but a call to Eritreans (immigrants and citizens of Holland) to exercise their right to seek protection from YPFDJ, which was wound up by Yemane Gebreab to “go on the offensive against Eritrea’s enemies.” This is the context you are running away from.

          Yesterday, there was national campaign throughout the US calling on Donald Trump to release his taxes and there was violence in Berkeley, CA. Is that the fault of the organizers? So that dog won’t hunt for you; try something else.

          If you read all the tweets by @jwnavis he says the overwhelming majority of those arrested do not speak the language: they are new arrivals who are enraged at someone giving instructions to victimize them again. Doesn’t give them the right to inflict violence, but you can bet their lawyer will use that in the courtroom.

          Whereas you and Semere T see this as exposing the hypocrisy of the opposition for shutting down the right of people to freely assemble, you forget that was not the decision of the protestors but the government of Holland where YPFDJ has established a long and dishonorable record of being enablers of torture in Eritrea. On the other hand, the hypocrisy we see on your side (which is why you are pretending I am a DJ and still giving me requests despite politely reminding you that I don’t take requests) is so clear you can swim in it: Where is all your outrage when Eritreans in Eritrea are arrested and made to disappear every single day?

          saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Cuz SAAY,

            Try the youtube link, even if you wouldn’t see the picture, you will hear the voice. The interview was done by non other than Amanuel Iyassu of Assenna and clearly admitted to the act of physical aggression by the young thugs of “the Daffla Mobs” where they have beaten up FOUR musicians or singers. There, in flagrante delicto.

            As to the role of Daffla as a ring leader of “the Daffla Mobs” well here he is in his own words and in his own writings.

            (1) https://youtu.be/1FZcQqjYGBQ
            (2uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8549a13d3ac733750d8c531aa1b41e371eec07de839c7634d721e9e76f8b5611.jpg

            Sorry Cuz Sal, I have to say the following in regards to your stands and by extension to those who profess to be in the Eritrean opposition camps regarding your commitment about the rule of law and the tenets of democratic governance.

            Here you are describing eloquently, as ever, what your oppositions principled stands should be:

            ” I think we all want a country that respects its citizens civil liberties and dignity, has rule of law, has self-rule, devolves power to the people, and ensures that the people, not the government, is sovereign”.

            But, I am getting convinced that you are only committed to this only half-heartedly as you have been LOATH and unwilling to call to carpet those Eritreans who have taken to the rule of the jungle in blatantly traducing the very ” civil liberties and dignity” of Eritrean citizens right in front of the public eyes.

            Unless you are going to tell me that these Eritreans who were attacked and whose right to assemble freely was obstructed by “Daffla Mob” are not citizens of Eritrea in the post-PFDJ Eritrean Opposition led government, I am sorry to say that the stands that you guys profess ad nauseam is grievously contradictory and suffused with double standards.

          • saay7

            Hala Cuz Gheteb:

            I can’t see or hear the video. And you can’t seem to read one question I am asking:

            “Where is all your outrage when Eritreans in Eritrea are arrested and made to disappear every single day?”

            Answer it and in ur answer u will find mine.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            Check the Assena interview as it the same audio interview that was captured in the earlier link. I am even adding another link when the so-called justice seekers, I mean the thugs of “the Daffla mob” yelling and making death threats ” I am going to kill you”, right below.

            https://youtu.be/gMN5eWpUSmk

            You want an answer to a question that if I were to answer it then in my answer I will find your answer. Clever. Very Clever. Very, very, very clever, Cuz SAAY.

            You are saying that “Eritreans in Eritrea are arrested and made to disappear every single day?”???? Every single day? I mean EVERY DAY? I thought you knew that I have a very low threshold for hyperbole and unmitigated exaggerations!

            But, sorry again, Cuz Sal, that the issue du jour is what has transpired just a day or two ago in Veldhoven and not the alleged transgressions of the PFDJ led government of Eritrea. Ah, a familiar and typical way of creating straw man approach to an issue at hand.

          • saay7

            Cuz Gheteb:

            The claim that you have a low threshold for hyperbole would have been credible if it wasn’t following “clever. Very clever. Very, very, very clever.” 😂

            You still haven’t answered it though. So I will help out a cuz: in the daily outrages that are committed with total impunity and worthy of condemnation, the case of the YPFDJ victims of violence registers so low you would need a magnifying glass to find it.

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            The issue or the question at hand is what the so-called justice seekers, I mean the thugs of “the Daffla Mob” perpetrated in front of the public eye just a day ago. You and the Eritrean opposition groups have professed your commitment to the rule of law and civil liberties of Eritrean citizens.

            When these democratic ideals are literally violated right in front of our own very eyes, I am asking the “tribunes of democratic governance in Eritrea”, where is your principled commitment to those ideals that you have deafened our ears.

            I am getting convinced by the day that your commitment to these democratic ideal and rule of law is only SKIN-DEEP and all your pronouncements about them is a mere LIP SERVICE and nothing more.

          • saay7

            Cuz Gheteb:

            Oh no! You don’t say. It’s very worrisome development when such an impartial, objective Eritrean citizen who calls a spade a spade and criticizes the Gov of Eritrea for its wanton violation of his compatriots human rights loses his faith on the opposition. I think we should convene an emergency meeting to deal with such loss of confidence 🙂

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            Yeah, what we are witnessing right in front of our eyes is all the equivocations and quibbling of an incidence that is transpiring even as we speak right in the neck of our woods.

            But you want us to interrogate your favorite hobbyhorse, the PFDJ, right? You remind me of an Algerian allegory about a person losing a key and was found looking for it under a light pole. Asked what he was doing, he replied that he was looking for his keys. When asked where he thought he lost his keys, he said that he didn’t know.

            When he was asked, why he is looking for his keys under the light pole, he said at least here it is lit. Your no-answers answers have so far been akin to that Algerian allegory.

          • saay7

            Adulisian Greetings Cuz Gheteb:

            Your organizational discipline can come handy at the next PFDJ congress (in 2024: it’s every 20 years) but this is a form where we have free flowing discussions. We are not a court of law where the judge directs the witness to answer the question and….wait I forgot you are enda hgdef: a court is this big building where cases are tried…😂

            But seriously, the victimization of Eritreans by Eritreans is a tome and you want to focus on one paragraph in one page while I want to discuss the book. Me for my reasons and you for yours. The thing is: I have already said using violence was wrong and those who were violent will pay for it since the victims have a right to sue and the abusers are recorded and witnessed by journalists.

            I can’t even get you to look beyond that one paragraph into another page in the book. Not even asking you to condemn it but to acknowledge it exists and that when it does it is wrong. And since you can’t, my Cuz, you have zero point zero moral authority to assume a moral high ground and to lecture people which is what you are trying to do.

            Now anything I say would be mere redundancy and I am not Isaias–who takes half an hour to say something that takes 5 minutes. In other words see you in the thread Hayat has started 🙂

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Cuz SAAY,

            I agree that there is no need for you to redundantly not address the questions at hand. I am okay with that.

            Thanks but no thanks as I don’t go to a party hosted by a known anti-Eritrean Weyane water carrier, a person who sports the nick Hayat Adem. But I wish you a good time in reading and sharing your readings of PFDJ tea leaves. Good luck and so long until we meet in another thread not the one hosted by a flaming anti-Eritrean person.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            Are you really expecting him to answer your question? Him and Semere T always avoid questions related to the regime. Let alone him to answer your question, I think semere Andom asked him to comment about the situation of Ciham the minor who is languishing in the regime’s priso st no of her own fault, but to no avail. And here he will tell you her situation as ” an alleged transgressions” and is not proved that she is in jail.

            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Amanuel Hidrat,

            You have been writing a lot of mendacious stuff about me these days always using others. I mean during my exchanges with others you are always applying your Falulite tactics to conduct your ad hominem attacks and I am telling you that it is duly noted, but as always you are wrong.

            The violence and thuggery we have witnessed in Veldhoven is nothing new. I have witnessed such acts of violence first hand in New York City during a demonstration in front of the UN held after the SheeB massacre.

            Yeah, your buddy, comrade-in-arm in Falulinet, Mr. Tecklay, was the one involved in a fight with woman named Hanna. I was right there and I have an eye witness account about this very incidence.

            Not that your checkered record is of any interest, but your out and out “Regionalism” and “Awrajanet” is manifesting itself in your blind defense of ‘Aba Khebdu’, Mederk’s Andeberhan. Well, how do you spell Seraye, Amanuel Hidrat who has so far been unwilling to disclose where he hails from in Eritrea. I think your unwillingness to tell us exactly where you are from in Eritrea has more to it than meets the eye!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Gheteb,

            Who are you, a run away “bojbaj wedi lewen” who hasn’t guts to disclose his name to ask about me? Get out from your cave and then ask me if you have the courage. Disclose who you are like Ayaka Amanuel Hidrat to have credibility to talk with me.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Amanuel Hidrat,

            I am not the one talking about you. You are the one talking about me not directly but by using your Falulite subterfuges. I can sniff out you and your comrade-in arms, the half-Tigrayan Mr. Tekhlai of Bronx, New York, off Westchester Avenue. BTW, do you remember Aboy Tesfay who lived in the same apartment with you and Mr. Tekhlai? Hmmmm… your ‘regionalism’ and ‘Seraye Awrajanet’ is something that is going to follow like your shadow, even as you meet with your Weyane liaison in New York and the Tri-State area.

            I told you before that I have no intention of talking to you and I have not INTERJECTED in any of your exchanges. That should tell you that you are still SEVERELY IGNORED and you are not in my league.

            Quit doing the cowardly stuff of attacking me by hiding behind others and do the manly stuff as backing up in public the claims of the low life criminal, Semere Andom.

          • iSem

            Hi Gheteb:
            You have gloated over how you knew the siblings of Dictator IA in person and now you are doing the same by mentioning the former neighbors and friends of AH.
            Big deal! also low life Semere Andom knows Mohammed Al-Amin Siraj, I would also quote you verbatim of a famous quote during that time in Kassa,: “we are the Kassala Ginnbar of Hizbai serwait” by a late Eritrean and your peer in the EPLF student union, but that person has opposed the war of 1991, and you are still singing the same old tune.
            And low life can be changed, criminal can be rehabilitated, but people like you who abuse minors and pedophiles like you have no redemption, not in this life and in the next

          • ‘Gheteb

            xxxx

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Gheteb, why don’t you youself reveal your REAL identity/name first before asking Amanuel Hidrat to tell you where he hails from? By now, we know that you’re a gutless and a ruthless coward who wishes to hide behind the skirt of those you call your strongmen like the devil Isayas.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Abraham H.,

            You mad Bro? I know why!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abraham H.,

            When two individuals are colliding, it is not helpful to add fuel on the fire. You need to diffuse the situation as much as possible.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            The man, Abraham H., thinks that he is a “HERO”, unlike me who he is depicting as ” a ruthless coward”, because he is a foot soldier of ‘Aba Khebdu’ and ‘Dr. Rasputin’ of Medrek and because he is at it barfing and regurgitating the Mederk’s propaganda stuff ad nauseam.

            What a hero he is this Mederkite Wedi-Hannibal! ‘Aba Khebdu’, Andeberhan, should be very proud of him.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            I think the discussion is being sidetracked intentionally and being personalized. I suggest not to respond in kind as it will lead to a downward spiral.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            I agree and you are right. I am still responding to and addressing the issue du jour, but, alas, non of the Eritrean opposition camps are coming up with cogent counter arguments and this includes one of their heavy weights, Cuz SAAY.

            Check all my comments the FOCUS is right there. Rest assured that I am the kind of guy who can chew a gum while walking. I can do both arteries and capillaries simultaneously, if you know what I mean.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    This is not so much about the Dutch Authorities Banning the YPFDJ Conference. This is not about the actions taken by the mayor of Veldhoven and his justification for banning the YPFDJ conference. This is/was all about us Eritreans. This was all about the political maturity and competence of the Eritrean opposition.

    All things considered, this day was a sad day for Eritrea. This day was a terrible day for freedoms of assembly and for freedom expression. This day was a shameful day for the Eritrean opposition. This day was a day the Eritrean opposition failed to prove to the Eritrean people, that they are better than the regime they are opposing. They failed miserably to walk the walk, when they were tested to prove their claim that – they are fighting the PFDJ dictatorship to bring freedom and democracy for all in every form of it. Aren’t they (the opposition) accusing the PFDJ regime, for denying them the freedom of assembly, the freedom of expression, the fundamental rights that they are entitled-to as citizens of a nation? If all they got to offer is intimidation and disruption of peaceful events, then how are they for democratic rights and freedoms of Eritrean citizens? Their claim doesn’t add-up, does it?

    Political success is not measured by disrupting peaceful events and by antagonizing your fellow citizens, it is measured by winning the hearts and minds of your opponents and skeptics. And that is a trait the Eritrean opposition are not known for. And that explains the persistent vegetative state they are in.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi SemereT,
      If nothing was done to this meeting, you would still say all the things you said above about the opposition and add that the opposition are toothless dogs that bark and do nothing.
      But don’t you guys have some kind of shame when you invoke and speak of freedom and rights to freely assemble while in the same heart and head supporting PFDJ? Don’t you know those folks who disrupted the meeting are the very people whose very own lives and the lives of their loved ones in their own country were disrupted by the regime you support?
      I am not saying they were there, how do you guys blame if the families Solomon Petros, relatives of Ciham, relatives of judge Mranet, relatives and friends of Joshua and Dawit, relatives of those drowned in M Sea, friends and relatives of those whose body parts were being retailed in the Senai desert… etc were there to disrupt the meeting? Do u really blame them without blaming the pfdj for their pains?
      There is a limit to shameless standards!

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Hayat

        Stop your nonsense! There is no right way of doing the wrong thing.

        Intimidation and disruption of peaceful events doesn’t solve anything – it just shows the frustration, hopelessness, and incompetence of its organizers. Ask yourself: what did they achieve as the result of their disruption? Nothing. Right? That is my point!

        Semere Tesfai

        • Hayat Adem

          Selam SemT,
          Their goal was, it seems, to deny their oppressor a venue and disrupt the meeting. And they achieved that goal. That may not be much of a damage to the regime that has done so much damage. But a clear determination of will is stated and communicated. That is why you are reacting angrily.
          Why does your sense of doing right is activated when it comes in defense of the dictator? Does the cruel dictator allow others to meet and voice difference? Does he even allow his opponents to live? Have you ever registered a complaint whenever the dictator makes people disappear?
          You said this is a sad day for Eritreans. Really? Did you say sad day when the free press was shut off and editors were locked? Did you say when Aster was whisked from the airport before she hugged her kids?
          SemT, I don’t know you reconcile these stories when you tell it to your kids. But remember, you will be judged on those values standards by everyone including your kids.

          • Semere Tesfai

            SElam Hayat

            Hayat: It is very simple. The war against the PFDJ regime is going to be won (if ever) by winning the war of Ideas – not by the number disruptions of peaceful events, not by intimidating, labeling, and shaming those of us outside the PFDJ regime who are saying ዓገብ, not by vilifying and demonizing the supporters of the PFDJ regime as ethnic fascists, ethnic Shefatu, Koboro Junkees…. to all young and old. But, but, but by winning on the war of ideas.

            The problem with the opposition is they don’t have any winning ideas that they can fight for. They don’t have any vision for future Eritrea except erecting walls between comminities – based on faiths, ethnics, regions, clans and sub-clans. They don’t have a positive message. They don’t have any message of hope, optimism, Eritrean pride. All they preach is prediction of doom and gloom. They’ve given up on themselves, they’ve given up on their ability to challenge the regime in the war of ideas, they have given up on the support of the Eritrean people.

            The only hope they are left-with is – to ride the Woyane, SEMG, CoI, ICC wagon to ascend to the helm – no other plan at all. And the outcome of that dream is very predictable: at best (for them) they will get to the helm by outside powers and Eritrea will face the fate of Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen….. or PFDJ will dominate Eritrean politics for the foreseeable future.

            Therefore the choice before them is very clear (a) to re-evaluate and re-calibrate their messaging and framing of their politics (b) do the same old thing over and over and over again expecting different result. And their choice seems very predictable!!

            Semere Tesfai

        • iSem

          Hi Semere:
          So now like you have changed the definition of citizenship to mean honesty integrity and hard work and love, you are changing the defining of opposing the Hitler youth with the achievement of some grand goal. The Eritrean ghedli achieved its grand goal in 1991, 30 long years after, it is all incremental
          And your remark of, “the opposition is hypocrite because they disrupted peaceful assembly is nauseating because you are in effect saying, a bunch murderers wannabes, repression enablers, a gathering to recruit talent and propensity for criminality and thuggish behavior must be tolerated
          You and the YPFD and all the supporters of PFDJ must thank these brave opposition members because they protected your kids from PFDJ, even if for one year. Thank the, give them Raymok award

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hello Tegadalay Semere T,

      You never complain about the freedom of speech and the right to assemble for the Eritrean people inside Eritrea. You never complain about the rampant human abuse in Eritrea. You never complain about the prisners of conscience who are thrown to the unknown fox holes. Now you complained about YPFDJ and their mentor Monkey of not conducting their meeting, and you call the day a sad day. Semere, the Eritrean peolple had 9125 sad days so far and keep counting as we speak, since Issayas and his lackeys came in power. My friend this is not about the Dutch government, it is protesting about the Injustice that befallen on our people inside Eritrea. The message is: this is retributive justice to what Monkey and his regime are doing to our people. So tegadalay semere, please have a common sense and stop of being hypocrite. You want to have freedom of assembly while you are prohibiting the Eritrean people to have one, inside our country. The current struggle calls a spade a spade to understand it. Do not ask us to be democratic to you*when you become undemocratic to us. If it is sad day today for you it has been a sad day for long time to us and the Eritrean people.

      Note: “you” implies, you as supporter of the regime. Us implies to the opposition of all forms and shapes.

      Regard

    • saay7

      Selamat Tesfai:

      Another classic 🙂 All Semere T’s posts have “and that’s why the PFDJ is not as bad as its opponents claim” and/or “and that is why the Opposition is even worse than people think it is.” And that’s why today–not the day Eritrea gov imprisons people without due process, not the day Eritreans leave their country by the thousands, not the day that Eritreans die in the Mediterranean Sea, not the day a human rights investigation team found that the Eri Gov is guilty of crimes against humanity–no, but today, the day that The Netherlands excercised its obligation to protect its own citizens is a sad day for Eritrea. I am shocked it is not all capitalized.

      Here’s the argument as presented by the organizers for those who care:

      WHEREAS, the United Nations has found that the Eritrean Gov, through its embassies, has been harassing and bullying Eritreans in the Diaspora;
      WHEREAS, the UN Security Council Resolution 2023 says:

      Decides that Eritrea shall cease using extortion, threats of violence, fraud and other illicit means to collect taxes outside of Eritrea from its nationals or other individuals of Eritrean descent, decides further that States shall undertake appropriate measures to hold accountable, consistent with international law, those individuals on their territory who are acting, officially or unofficially, on behalf of the Eritrean government or the PFDJ contrary to the prohibitions imposed in this paragraph and the laws of the States concerned, and calls upon States to take such action as may be appropriate consistent with their domestic law and international relevant instruments, including the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, to prevent such individuals from facilitating further violations

      WHEREAS the PFDJ through its agents has not ceased from harassing and bulling Eritreans in The Netherlands and that this was found (by Dutch journalists) to have been directed from the embassy despite the Gov of Eritrea’s bald-faced lies;
      WHEREAS, in his annual addresses to YPFDJ, has told them that what we need is “another 1991”: that stamina and resoluteness are not enough but that they must raise their conscience and step one of that is to KNOW THEIR ENEMIES and those are the ones who try to break the formula which says the People’s Front = Eritrea;
      WHEREAS, at the Bologna Festival, the YPFDJ had created an intimidation squad (of beefy men wearing black T-shirts with red writing which reads “Eri Blood”;

      NOW THEN, we Eritreans who have asked and received asylum after we ran away from our country would like your help, once again, to protect us from those who want to victimize us again.

      And the Dutch Government (for now anyway) heard the people.

      saay

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Semre T, have you and the likes of you like Gheteb, who are now sheding crocodile tears in the name of freedom of assembly; have you, a single day protested against the draconian practices of the PFDJ tyranny, and stod for the rights of the Eritrean people for the respect of their basic human rights and for their rights of free speech and assembly? You’re the shameless hypocrites.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Semere,
      At the first glance, your comment looks fine, but lacks compassion in the Eritrean context.

      As you know, the Haraka started its struggle peacefully and since it could not go on peacefully for ever, someone else though enough cajoling and started the armed struggle. You also know that the timid attitude of Eritreans will not go on forever. Given the right situation, the risk of an all out violance is just below the surface. In our case, the only wisdom left is Wedi Gebru’s song: tokhormikha motye, assafiHka motye…. There is no indefinite patience, people snap and Eritreans have done that many times when their goodwill and concern for the worse, becomes meaningless and unproductive.

      I think today we have less foolish people who would give the PFDJ unlimited goodwill gesture. Pray for them to exit peacefully if you know how.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Quo Vadis Y-PFDJ?

    Greetings !!

    Taking into account what has supervened in Veldhoven, The Netherlands, the Y-PFDJ need to take an urgent stock of how to conduct it’s future conferences. I think that there are certain political realities that have become so manifestly crystal clear that not taking them into account will be tantamount to political foolhardiness and the following steps should be given enough considerations.

    (1) All future Y-PFDJ Conferences, regional or otherwise, should be held in Eritrea and no where else.

    (2) All expenses to defray travel, room and board, should be looked at and studied to find means of reducing cost and making them affordable.

    (3) The Eritrean Government and the PFDJ should look into ways of securing a discount offerings in the travel, hotel accommodations and food for the participants of these Y-PFDJ Conferences that are to be held in Eritrea.

    (4) The advantages of holding these Y-PFDJ Conferences are markedly obvious. For one, the absence of disruptions by thugs and hooligans and hence the peace to afford the conference to go on dealing with the mission of the meetings. What is more, is the fact that the Eritrean economy may benefit from the conference. Then, there is the added bonus to the congregants of being more exposed to Eritrea and it’s diverse population. Finally, depriving all the anti-Eritrean foreign forces the chance of disrupting the activities of patriotic Eritreans.

    (6) Even if we look at the history of the EPLF in its infancy, we see that the conferences or congresses of the national union of its mass organizations were held inside Eritrea. A case in point is the first national congress of The Eritrean Students Association was held in 1978, in Keren, Eritrea. I attended that congress where participants came from North America, Europe, Africa and The Middle East. Here is what I still remember about the Eritrean Students first national congress:

    (a) The EPLF paid all the bills for food and accommodations. Imagine that!
    (b) The meetings were held in a serene and peaceful milieu where nary a peep of the thugs and hooligans hollering and disruptive noises were heard.
    (c) The presence of the EPLF’s personalities and it’s other resources added more highlights to the events.
    (d) Eritrean students were able to meet and exchange experiences from all over the world in an Eritrean settings.
    (e) Eritrean students from abroad were accorded the opportunities of experiencing Eritrea first hand.

    (7) All future Y-PFDJ Conferences should be held in different cities, regions of Eritrea. From Gash Barka towns and cities to Asmara and Massawa to The Southern Red Sea region of Assab all the way to the Southern region of Sena Fe. Those young Eritreans should be afforded the chance of getting acquainted with Eritrea in its entirety.

    (8) The PFDJ should do its best to let those veteran EPLF fighters to share some of their experience with the participants of the Conference and share word wisdom with these young Eritreans in the hope of passing down Eritrea’s enduring values of sacrifice and service to the Eritrean communities at large.

    (9) The prospect of starting a voluntary Summer Program by members of YPFDJ where volunteers will be engaging in teaching English and other foreign languages to Eritrean students in Eritrea should be seriously looked at.

    (10) With due and serious consultations with the Eritrean diaspora communities and parents, the YPFDJ should start studying and coming up with ideas as how its members can start joining voluntarily the Eritrean Defense Forces, especially the Eritrean Air Force and The Eritrean Navy and deploy and utilze the technological savviness of its young members in augmenting the defense of Eritrea. The Eritrean Government and the PFDJ should look into admitting talented YPFDJ members to Eritrea’s school of medicine and (IT)/Engineering Programs.

    Vive la ShaEbia-ism!

    • Hayat Adem

      Bah Gheteb,
      Or this maybe a good news. Everything gets back to where it started. That is an amazing natural law and it starts as if it is normal to think that way. But is is sign of something bigger. There was a suicide note found in the 19th century. It says: “All this time, buttoning and unbuttoning!”.
      No no no, we are not starting setting up a new venue. There were times you were welcomed in Sahel, then to Asmara, then to Addis, then to the whole world. Now it is time to shrink back the sphere of that welcome zone. Now to Asmara and then all the way to the very hole where were it started.
      And then a new day!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Hayat; i know you are awate’s special but don’t you think you should have use the so-called and selective ” proper salutations” ? you can get away with it but it does not mean it is right. but it is the awate.com where the rule of law is subjective and selective. Sad!

    • saay7

      Selam Cuz Gheteb:

      The reason your proposal won’t happen:

      In the vision of Yemane Ghebreab, who makes the annual pilgrimage to Youth-Crimes Against Humanity (Y- CAH), their priorities are:

      1. Know you enemy
      2. Know yourself
      3. Be a member and lead Eritrean communities
      4. Know that new means of fighting is economic and find ways to contribute in a meaningful way to improve Eritreas economic standing.

      These guys going to Eritrea for a week long seminar leaves their community centers in the Diaspora exposed to the texabaeti who are working “night and day” to separate the people from PF. People attending conference in Eritrea spend Nakfas not Euros. Let’s also not forget that the current arrangement works for all concerned because to the Y-CAH, Eritrea (actually Asmara Massawa) are vacation spots not a place for work.

      Having said that:

      1. Why is the National Service “voluntary” for them when it’s involuntary and indefinite for their peers in Eritrea? There is only one Proclamation on National Service and what applies to the youth in Eritrea should apply to the youth in Holland, Germany, US.

      2. Is your “anti Eritrean” whenever you want to say “anti PFDJ” by design or is it part of the same tic that the whole YPFDJ and OPFDJ suffers from? How huge must the ego of a political party be to equate itself with the nation?

      saay

  • ‘Gheteb

    The Vulgarization And The Gutter Politics Of The Anti-PFDJ “Groupings” In Veldhoven

    Greetings!!

    Veldhoven, The Netherlands, has recorded a stain and a stigma that will remain affixed in the records of those anti-PFDJ groupings and elements who claim to be struggling against the PFDJ and who have purported to have been conducting of a pro-democracy and justice campaign against the ruling party in Eritrea.

    What I have witnessed transpiring in that Dutch municipality or town is nothing short of sheer hooliganism displayed in the name of opposing a gathering and free association or assembling of free citizens in a free country. The meeting was legal and legally arranged and approved by the authorities in the Netherlands.

    As the gatherers of the Y-PFDJ were accorded their right of assembling and gathering freely so were those who opposed the convening of the conference were given to freely and legally show their opposition by staging a peaceful demonstration.

    But what transpired was that those who were opposing the conference went past what was meant to be peaceful to what should be considered “non-peaceful” actions: blocking access of participants to the conference and attacking some of the would be attendees of the Y-PFDJ conference. Hence their arrest by the Dutch police for their vulgar transgressions and their disruption of public order.

    It is quite a telling example and a manifest proof that those who have been campaigning against the PFDJ in the name of democracy and justice are indeed the furthest in upholding the very tenets of democracy and justice. What they have shown through their action is that they are neither for democracy nor for justice. Though they constantly claim and refer to themselves as pro-democracy and “Justice Seekers”, I think they have shown through their actions that they are anti-democracy and they are not “Justice-Seekers”, but ‘Self-Seekers’ who will even resort to hooliganism to grab the attention of the public!

    • saay7

      Hey Cuz:

      I know! It’s outrageous.

      Inside the concert hall were Diaspora-born YPFDJ members with matching t-shirts, exempted from National Service, excercising their Dutch-given right to listen to a presentation of Eritrea at near takeoff, free of famine and other ills that ravage Africa, despite the massive conspiracies weaved against it, all this thanks to the visionary leadership of the PFDJ (as told by the political director of PFDJ)

      And outside were a rowdy bunch of Eritrean youth who abandoned their posts in indefinite national service, crossed deserts and seas and never signed a Regret Letter expressing their remorse to the People and Gov of Eritrea.

      saay

      • ‘Gheteb

        Howdy Cuz SAAY,

        Yeah, sure, whatever! What is unfolding in front of our eyes in Veldhoven, The Netherlands, is NOT ‘a tale of two Eritrean youths’, one national service exempt and another which has trekked the desert ex-national service youth. I wish it was, but it ain’t.

        Whatever one may think about those YPFDJ youth who are congregating in that very hotel in Veldhoven and however their pampered and privileged status one may find distasteful, what has so far manifested in all the brouhaha are the following:

        (a) We are NOT sure if those who were protesting against the YPFDJ gathering are actually ex-national service members. There others who are in the age range to be the fathers, grandfathers or grandmothers. Never mind of those elements who are pulling the strings behind the curtain using these pretexts.

        (b) If indeed there are those who want to bring their plights to the fore and express their disapproval of the YPFDJ’s preferential treatment, then what prevented them from organizing their own conference to air their views in a meeting legally and peacefully. I think the Netherlands is a free country that will accord them that right.

        (c) The majority of those who are congregating in the YPFDJ conference are citizens of EU countries and as such have certain rights that can’t be taken away or blatantly traduced by the likes of the Daflas, Van Reisens, Weyzero Asgedetes or what have you. As much as the demonstrators led by these people have a right to air their opposition by holding a peaceful and legal demonstration, the young Eritreans with the YPFDJ has an equal right to freely assemble no matter what one thinks about them.

        (d) The response of the police in the beginning and the actions of the town’s mayor leaves one with much to be desired in protecting the rights of the attendees of the conference.

        (e) I think by these very actions that the anti-PFDJ conducted against the gathering of the YPFDJ, they have handed the victory to the PFDJ. Now, Yemane Gebreab need not explain anything to the young Eritreans in the conference as their actions has spoken volumes to their nature and their political activism.

        (f) Though some may view what has transpired in Vedthoven as a “victory” to the so-called Justice Seekers, from where I stand, I consider it as nothing more than a transient winning of a battle to a perennial loss of the war.

        (g) I have always thought that those in the anti-PFDJ camp are engaged in this campaign which geared more towards ‘ Self-Expression’ rather than changing the hearts and minds of Eritreans. Now at Veldhoven, my theory has been validated.

        • saay7

          Merhab cuz Gheteb:

          Your points assume that PFDJ is regular political party and YPFDJ has no affiliation to it. But PFDJ is considered a criminal entity by the second UN sanction (Resolution 2021) which encouraged all Member States to combat its campaigns of harassment, bullying and extortion. And in the Miriam case, it was clearly established that YPFDJ is an affiliate of PFDJ. (Next time, they should come up with a name that doesn’t share all the letters.) The surprise is not that this meeting was cancelled; the surprise is that others are allowed.

          If that was not the case, a court wouldn’t have just upheld the mayor’s decision to cancel the meeting.

          By the way, the guy who organized the demonstration is a ShaEbiyetay from Keren. I am sure you have some nasty names for him now like you did with Dr. Assefaw and Dr. Andeberhan.

          saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy Cuz SAAY,

            Let us not mince words and unnecessarily dog whistle here. The issue here is NOT what the mayor of Veldhoven and the courts of The Netherlands are saying after the fact, I mean POST HOC, but what has transpired earlier in the commencement of a conference that was organized to be held LEGALLY.

            Whether what you are bringing that the PFDJ is a “criminal organization” or not is a moot issue. If it was, then why was it granted the permission to hold this conference in the first place. Having your cake and eating it too has become the modus operandi of those who claim to be anti-PFDJ and “Justice- Seekers” simultaneously.

            The person you are alluding to as “ShaEbiyetay from Keren”, his name is Kibrom Daffla. Some years ago, a Canadian female journalist, asked me what I thought about this person who hails from the proverbial city of Keren, I responded and posed the question to her thusly: Who is he, I mean, who is this Kibrom Daffla whippersnapper guy, in the scheme of things that we call Eritrea. She responded, mouth agape with incredulity: Really? I have nothing to say about this Daffla guy, but I think his political actions are nothing more than the acts of a political doofus.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Gheteb,

            There are three points in your comment. 1) who is Kibrom Dafla [entayke b’eesu?], 2) Court decision after the fact. 3) Your question about the credential of a guy, if he earned the Dr. title.

            1. I do not know Kibrom Dafla in person, but through telephone a few years ago. I also know he is Menseaay from Keren, and he was a senior official in the Eritrean government. If you didn’t know that, now you know. But do you think his past should be erased the moment he defies the regime?

            2. I am sure you know that in the Netherlands, you do not need permission to hold a conference, unlike the PDFJ’s Eritrea, where you have to get permission to carry dough from Keren to Hagat, for example. Once even the lowest level authorities deem a conference or anything else a security risk, they act on their own (they have mandates) and do not have to check or wait for a decision from Isaias. Also, those who feel the decision was wrong, they have the right to appeal it and they courts will have the final say. That is the beauty of justice and the beauty of a non-militarized country.

            Now do you see what is wrong with your comparison? Okay, I give you Luke 6:41: “Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

            3) I grudgingly agree with you on number three–but not because he earned the title or not. Character matters.

            As you know, when oppression gets worse, the response by the victims gets equally worse. If things continue the way they are in Eritrea, I wouldn’t be surprised if an all out violence erupts. The PFDJ and its capo are to blame.

          • Thomas

            “When the oppression gets worst, the response gets equally or no surprise when even all out violence is erupted” how true!! What is a revolution for then, people are grieving Day in day out about what’s happening.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam SGJ,

            Whatever qualms we could have on Amb. Andebrhan’s stand during ghedli era and in the 90s as governmental official, a run away “Gheteb” from national call, has no any credibility to question Amb. Andebrhan who quit his PHD dissertation to join the long journey of our revolution and stood up until its success.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz Gheteb:

            I am not a DJ so I don’t take requests 😂 So your either or question is hereby politely declined.

            As I told you, what is surprising is not that the conference is cancelled but that a European country, which complies with UN resolutions, allows a group accused of terrorizing its citizens (UN resolution 2023 of 2011) of organizing it to begin with.

            What the Eritreans did is called civil disobedience and sometimes people deliberately doing things to get arrested has a long honorable tradition in the civil rights movement going back to MLK.

            saay

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            The Dutch have shown cowardly and un-Germanic behaviour at critical points in history. For example, when Hitler invaded their country, the ruling elites packed their bags and ran away to safety. In the the 1990s, weak-kneed Dutch UN peace keeping troops allowed Bosnian Muslims to be massacred like sheep.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Simon,

            Your “ungermanic behavoour” forced a chuckle. Was their last decision “ungermanic”? What if they arrested Yemane, would it be considered “in Germanic action”, or “very uneuropean” ?

          • Selamat Saay7,

            Whereas you are The Captain, Ustaz Ibrahim Berhan, the Binghamton transfer to Buffalo, was the Colenel since that very first Thirty Five Cents Coffee and Marlboro Lights he and I shared at Capen Hall. …. ….

            Sense Morpheius Captain of The Nebuchadnezzar Ship, (Merkebna-Merkeb tSionn), I am now ready to challenge you Professor SaliH Abdu A. Younis, for my attainment of the Black Belt-Fifth Degree. And I am confident that you. “Oh Captain my Captain” will proudly hand I and I the Honorary three letters designation of PhD.

            Honor among States, though now seemingly antiquated, was to Declare War, before invading another Soverign State, consider this comment of tSAtSE as an honorable declaration of wAR, the anticipated day pride by The Master Sense to be challenged by any of his pupil.

            As if “mincing of words”, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, pages

          • saay7

            Selamat TsaTse:

            If this is the preamble, I can’t wait for the articles to come.

            I will do my best to engage, at least on the parts I understand. So far, all you have done is what the Texans call “fixin’ to get ready”: I am getting ready to get ready. Get Ready, Here I come…

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            As Adil Emam would say,
            انا كمان اسمي مكتوب !
            Please let me know when the getting ready, for getting read, to get ready, is ready

          • saay7

            SGJ:

            If history is any guide, The “coming soon!” ad from TsaTse will evaporate as some fleeting thing attracts his fancy. If it does come, I will need Amde to interpret it for me as I understand exactly 12.7% of TsaTse posts.

            Meanwhile, since you mentioned Adal Imam, his “Ana ismi mektub”, as you know, is a case of a powerless citizen who equates a government with a terrorizing entity. He is so terrified of the government that when he appears in court as a witness (Sha’hed) he actually forgets his name and tells the prosecutor that since the Gov knows best it also knows his name better than he does. Then he gets terrified at the very idea that his name is in a government list and asks “Ana ismi Mektub?” My all favorite Egyptian play: at one time I seriously considered translating it to English (the Arabic is easy:). Anyway here it is at the 1:38:56 mark

            https://youtu.be/FzswAz3ZJtI

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Appeal to TsaTse,
            There are things i want you to change and there are things that i don’t want you to change. 12.7% receptivity or clarity of message is a failed communication by any standard. But there is something unique and artistic beauty to your writing style enjoyable and that should be encouraged to continue. I am confident the issue here never seems to be capability because there were a lot of moiments I could capture the message while enjoying the style. I want to enjoy the shape and the content of the apple.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Saay,

            I thought that you are the only person in this forum who can understand the encrypted comment of our own Solomon. Only 12.7%?

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            TsaTse’s posts are streams of consciousness. By sheer coincidence sometimes I find myself in the same stream but that only happens 12.7% of the time which of course is a completely made up statistics (but the .7 is a nice touch). I meant to say 12.5% that is 1/8 his posts.

            saay

          • Selamat Saay7,

            I will say to all EnquaE AbtseHakum. Enquan Aderesachu. Eid Seid, Eid Mubarak.

            40 years to the day the war in our town Teseney after Claylayson had chaised us OUT of our homes.

            I read in FitHi. com your personal suffering due to Ciham Ali Abdu and the Three Generation’s of Aboy Younis’ family unjust suffering..

            I also read of a young musicicians, an Eritrean who desided on to pursue his life’s journey after making. resolution on the day he turned Ten Thousand Days Old.

            Serendipity or the great calculus of The Creator I will call it, but Gheteb and I sat on the same table for nearly Two Thousand consecutive days. Two Tenth of the number of days of the Young Eritrean, Saudi Raised who launched his path to travel the world, pursue a career as a musician and record an album. He even told his adventure with the recording studio in Yemen as his deciplened date he set to release a single or an album coincided on his two month stay in Yemen.

            The SENTINELS attack on the Nebuchadnezzar Ship of Captain Morpheus and Zion have just attacked and destroyed my passionate respectful response in the spirit of this holiest month in human history. I was setting the tone, and though the foundation of that temple and the my narrative is destroyed, in Three, Seven, or Thirty days I shall constryuct the temple.

            To the standards of its full impact I intend for it and have full confidence on it’s scholarly impact.

            My above first comment was also cut short as I was addressing KindishiH. With this one, I was interrupted and my outline and arduous work confiscated. It is by the Grace of our creator AND HIS WILL that I am SAVED EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND BY HIS GRACE I will reproduce the over an hour long production that the SENTINELS destroyed. Was it Pillar X and Andelusian and or Abasynian protocol of diplomacy transgression…

            Well, I will finish. my thought and YPFDJ guidance/shielding of their unjust or misguided policy attack on their right to congregate peacefully and legally.
            As I remind Nitric that The very few THUGS, high ranking EDF military ofsprings I single handidly battle their criminality as I shield them due to my compassionate love for even the spoiled brute for reasons to be included with methodical tact of THE STAND ON SEVENTEEN! We Stand on SEVENTEEN!

            And……As My Hood, Barrio y me Pueblo is full of DIGNIFIED HARD WORKING PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST, contrary to the narrations of Trumpismo, Aggazianusm and Ethnic Federalism as well as the race as a supper set or sub set, per yours and Horizons+ Emma text book discussion, I will give directive of not a thousand claylyson to KndishiH Nitric, but instead to approach Saay7’s friend Elias Amare to allow him the video of the Washington DC August of 1991 Video so that he and THE YPFDJ get a glimpse of historical understanding of the their. YPFDJ’s, and all young and old Eritreans life underseige in THE trenches for a period Twice as long as Historic Nakfa and Dejen. Nitric and The YPFDJ and the Young Opposition Eritreans will comprehend fully The Narative mincing of words that has Eritrean Lives in particular The Young including Monkey’s YPFDJ and more importantly Gheteb’s Adulusian Histography research academic work, which may very well be a wholistic approach. though candidly all angles of a balanced academic argumentation Will be presented.
            As The digging of trenches and aggressive posture of the SENTINELS are implying.

            As the Bruts and Tbugish PFDJ are held at bay with their stealth Awget violent attacks and intinidarion, for as the Good Book and The Savior’s teachings have directs me to br empathetic and compassionate even of these silver spoon military offspring brats among the many innocent youth of the YPFDJ in The. Etbetlands.

            Gheteb may have walked towards the Eritrean Tegadakay Architect leader Isaacs Afeworki on Baily Avenue Buffalo, with our Polar opposite disagreement after hours of deliberating in a McDonald’s. I decided to take an OPPOSITIE STAND AND HEAD TO WASHINGTON, DC to take. A HUGE BITE OUT OF THE TOOTHLESS! MaHmood Sherifo who was devoured not by a political party with an attractive accronym PFDJ. What political party? Though I will due it the truth and justice the Eritrean Liberators is deserving of, but from the day one of Independent Eritrea what the Brave fighters and land of the brave Eritreans got was A BIPOLAR DISORDER GOVERNMENT…that could not balance the Communist Ideology of the Nakfa China’s Mao per DIA or Cuba’s Castro style per Elias Amare…. Abd The Tigrawot cousins South of the Mereb with their Albanian Communism were as equal Bipolar and confused by their political indoctrination on the one hand and the a horendous greed and lure of …… ….. To be covered in detail without haste or laziness to
            Plant the seed of hope and leadership that Both The Prophet MuHamed (PBUH) and the MesiH Issa our Lord And Savior are the Pillars for good Governance and Liberation Soul Rebel-Nedhanie Alem respectfully are the true exemplars of all who rise up against any INJUSTICE with true convictions and service above self that is the narrative The Eritrean Freedom Fighters as Well as The Ethiopians of Yesteryear. And It is this Raza de Nuestro Pueblo that.will guide the Eritrean Young Opposition and TPFDJ to

            Make. STAND Up against Injustice in Unity of the Eritrea that is the land of The iTHREE GitSAtSE of Kebire. Sultan , and WoldeNariam not only to be Masters of Their Own Destiny but also co leaders of of The Horn Of Africa Homes with their Ethiopian counter parts for the serene RESURECTION Of PEACE! On This Day Of the Savior Medhanie Alem Yesus Christos- The Prince of PEACE! ReHuss Fasika. ReHhus BeAl AwdeAmet. Enquan Aderesachu!

            I last celebrated with family in my home this very Holiday and Sacred Resurrection Sunday Fourth Years to the Day as we left our burning homes on Easter Sunday in 1977.

            And the call is for THE YPFDJ to utilize a small bump to The Giants their Triue Nature
            By Declaring WE STAND ON SEVENTEEN TO LIBERATE OUR SELVES BY FLOWING THEIR TRUE EXEMPLAR NARATIVES, of Gods Prophet and The Lord the SAVIOR SOUL Rebels. This IS The All Eritreans Innate Trate and And the Time is 17 to commence their counter offense and discard The false messengers and their narratives.

            Yo soy en mo Bario y mi Pueblo! I am in my African. Latino y to do del Mundo Jentes! Hermanonos Cesar Chavez and The Brother Malcolm the Known El Melic Al Haj Al Shebaz!

            And By the Grace of God And Will
            I STAND ON SEVENTEEN and will Return with

            Weapon X Wolverine – The Evolution of The Revolution Abu Ashera!

            Given their due to all The passionate teachers … Priority is to SET THE COURSE OF Merkel True Narative that is Harraka. And Abu Ashera Weopon X Evolution Not Revolution.

            Gheteb paved the way, Six Years of isolation and ubder tongue ridicule… The REAL Oppoaition, Queen Saba, Hyat, iSEM Eide amongs the few misguided the highest of whome is Is Is Ustaz SaliH J Ghadi. MAMMA SAID KNOCK HIM OUT!
            (Ll Cool J is Hard As He’ll!..hey Gheteb though you are From da. Boogie Down Bronx! The Albert Einstein DNA you possess will have me referring to you As Moss Def! Brooklyn. Do The Right Thing!

            And Amde will be back to witness The Master Sense Captain Saay7 hand tSAtSE The Black BELT. Why, Amde “Bet on The Wrong Horse!” Sire, Nick at Night And Carmen San Diego- Academics you want academics you will get!

            Weapon X The Evolution Abu Ashera Jemari Sewra is A Win Win#

            Yeah Atomic Weopons if Mass Destruction Cannot Stop The Time as BMW and the iTHREE And The Wailers sang the Songs of Freedom Song.

            And 2 Pack Shakur The Black Panther political prisoner while in The Womb of Afini Shakur said “REALITY IS WRONG DREAMS ARE TRUE”

            And The Dreams of President Donald Trump has netted him with plenty of The Lords Blessing!

            The Dreams of Nations And The Neighberhood Pueblos of every Race, Creed rich in diversity yet United in their strength, mutual respect and Dignity because of True Dreams of the The Lincolns, Martin’s Luthers, Roosevelt’s, Ceasaf Chavez, Hariet Tubmans, Ronald Reagan’s And Obama’s ..

            Me I got the anytical TRUMP CARD that is very well versed in Realities Gains And Losses And True Dreams That is True of The American People that IS THE GOVERNMENT OF USA! Not some BurocRats….
            The Rule of Law And The Will of The Creator!

            Enquan Address My Peloponnesian Dba brother from Easter Island.

            Gheteb is a fellow OG! Old General like Tbucydydes of Erythrea of Ancient Greek.

            Weapon X- Evolution Abu Ashera!!! Lord Sire Amde is The TRUMP CARD.

            Just Ask The Wise Hippo of The Tekeze River — The Delta of The East of Africa just like The Ibbos and Hausas of The Delta of West Africa! Indeed There Achebes Wisdom of Things Fall Apart.

            As is The Blue Island painting by a Ghanaian Artist..

            It is An All Eritrean Staring Line Up …FAB 5.. You and Mr. Fukuyama Paulos. will warn up the Bench _.It is a Wolverine Thang as You Know!!! Back to Academics …

            I STAND ON SEVENTEEN!!! Yeah Gheteb I do Zar, ZaEgol Analytics as well AS Voodo and Cabawera! And that’s just the good that I do…never mind the evil Sin Old Nature that is on Tim’s to be! Why because It is By The Grace of God And The Blood of Jesus That I am Saved. Not because I am deserving for any good I may have done!

            Eritreans STAND on SEVENTEEN

            See you in the fields of Academics with a Spirited Heart Soon. InshAllah!

            Happy Resuruction Sunday – Happy Easter To ALL

            tSAtSE

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            PFDJ lost the game

            Justice seekers – 2
            PFDJ camp – 0

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb,
            I will only comment on the question you posed to Saay: do you support the anti-PFDJ disruptive actions or not?
            Since you are asking, it would be a good opportunity to sieze you up and engage you on the matter so that once more youvtell us where you stand yourself before asking others. So, I am asking you to reflect on the following points:
            1) Do you generally believe in and support the universality of freedom to assemble as a matter of political and social right?
            2) Do you support the right for Eritreans at home to exercise the same freedom of assembling?
            3) Have you ever registered a word against IA when he said Eritrean who wants to exercise any kind of such political right should go to the moon?
            4) Do you believe PFDJ should be allowed to follow exiled Eritreans onto the Moon and continue doing the same political suffocation exercise?
            5) Does it bother your conscience when are crying for the “rights to free assembling of the jailers while you never cared and utter about the rights of Eritreans, including minors, languishing in the unknowns of Eritrea without a chance to hear whatvcrimes they were charged with defend theselves in court?

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Gheteb,

          I firmly believe that democracy in Eritrea is NOT a tenable proposition.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Simon K, the Eritrean people are peace-loving people, our problem is we’ve some people among us like the Isayas clique, who’ve exploited our trust and patience to the maximum to inflict maximum damage on us. We are not going to go at each other’s throats, no. But, DEFINITELY, those who’re causing mayhem on the Eritrean people today, would face the justice they denied the people.

      • Legacy

        Hi Saay,

        The decoy routes:- was that really true? Also, did you make the pilgrimage?

  • Robel Cali

    Hi all

    Just to update everyone: YPFDJ conference kicked off this morning with hundreds of participants. Meanwhile a number of middle age opposition youth are still languishing in Holland jails for their unsavory behavior from yesterday’s protests. Once again, this was a publicity stunt for the middle age opposition youth. They accomplished nothing aside from getting their fellow comrades sent to jail. Job well done.
    .

    • Hagos Kahsay

      Selam Robel,

      None of these YPFDJ youth are going to hold any meaningful political position in Eritrea. But these conferences do fill an important void. The young diaspora kids get to make new friends with the same background and stay connected to their roots. I wish the setting was apolitical, but in the absence of an alternative, I applaud it.

      The “justice seekers” should arrange their own youth conferences and festivals instead of embarrasing themselves shouting obscenities like mad men, outside entrances.

      /Hagos

      • Robel Cali

        Hey Hagos,

        Finally, someone who gets it! These are kids looking to connect with their people. I know of at least 6 couples who got married after meeting at a YPFDJ conference. I support it all the day.

        As you pointed out, instead of embarrassing themselves every year, the opposition should create an alternative.

        • tes

          Selam Robel Cali,

          You wrote, These are kids looking to connect with their people. I know of at least 6 couples who got married after meeting at a YPFDJ conference.

          I thought they were participating in all these 13 conference to strengthen the rotten PFDJ members. Now I understand it is a breeding center.

          These kids, to use your own words, are simply stupid then. Why don’t they meet their love some where else than to meet in a small brainwashing room?

          I like your honest testimony.

          kemaka yibzihu ske

          tes

          • sara

            Tes, akuhya
            imagine if the pfdj youth or those supporting the government will do the same when the opposition conducts such gathering.imagine if they also try to black mail you with any unfounded allegations … like what is done this days. and there are plenty of cards that could be used against those opposing the pfdj.
            why don’t the opposition organize the youth on their side the same way the pfdj does..

          • tes

            Selam sara,

            Stop talking on “ifs”. We are fighting for people’s rights to Assembly. What the opposition camp are doing is very simple: to ban for those who banned them. I, personally, will not allow PFDJ to exist. Like the Nazi, it will be banned. But I will build one of the biggest museum in Africa to display the crimes against humanity committed by PFDJ regime.

            If those members of PFDJ want to form other parties – after passing strong vetting procedure, they can. If they are found to be guility, justice will be given to them for their crimes.

            I hate PFDJ.

            tes

  • tes

    Dear Awatawyan,

    The good news is that YPFDJ 13th Conference, aka Nazi’s Youth conference is cancelled. Viva Justice seekers from Holland.

    Bravo!

    And thank you Gedab news for your news. it is really a refreshing achievement for the first qaurter of 2017. More to come sooner.

    tes

    • Nitricc

      Hi tes knowing how smart you are and I shouldn’t comment on your dumb comment but who do you think the winner is? I know you won’t get it but the YPFDJ won this one. Trust me, I know you won’t get it.

      • tes

        Selam Nitricc,

        Of course everything is reversed in PFDJ’s account. When the country is failing, they report the country is growing fast.

        And now, when YPFDJ conference is canceled, where about 600 were supposed to attend, you are saying PFDJ is the winner.

        Everything is the inverse in PFDJ world

        tes

      • Kebessa

        Hey Nitricc,
        I think it is appropriate to quote Bill Kristol, a conservative commentator,
        “Trump after Super Bowl: I think the losers are Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, because now they have to defend the championship.”

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatistas,
    I wonder where the so-called UN-sanctions on Eritrea are? These sanctions which are meant to be travel ban on certain individuals of the PFDJ regime, a list yet to be made 8 years after the first sanctions were imposed; assets freeze of certain individuals, I don’t think this has also been worked out and enforced; as well as arms embargo. Regarding arms embargo, either this has not been imposed fully or it has been applied sellectively. Case in point is the set up of a huge military base by the UAE fully equiped with high tech military hardware and fighter jets at Asseb Airfield. So the ultimate question is, where is the application of the UN-sanctions, and what is the use of passing such sanctions unless the UN-member states are not ready or willing to fully enforce them? I would really call these UN-sanctions on Eritrea as only symbolic and toothless ones; and the UN has either to enforce them fully or lift them altogether.

  • Robel Cali

    Hi everyone

    Let the kids have fun. This is a social gathering more than a political organization.

    Also, the 5-6,000 Eritreans leaving per month in the article is a false statistic. Google “Skepticism before sympathy: why journalists should verify figures from the U.N., NGOs and nonprofits” by Selam Solomon (reporter working for VOA). She debunks this bogus stat that so many people keep stating without proof. Selam is opposition, so don’t say she’s a PFDJ stooge.

    • Peace!

      Hi Robel,

      Is it true the mayor, in the netherland, cancelled the YPFDJ Euro conference due to the anti government protesters refused to let the car carrying monkey to let in?

      Peace!

      • Robel Cali

        Hi peace

        A lot of the middle age youth opposition who were protesting against the real youth were arrested and taking to jail. But yes, from what I hear, the conference was cancelled.

        To everyone else: From my experience in the diaspora, the opposition has always used violence as a means while the government supporters have been more peaceful. So this narrative that the YPFDJ are there attack/intimidate people is a long reach.

        • Abraham H.

          Hi Robel Cali, go read about the so-called Eri-blood YPFDJ terror gangs who are spreading fear and threats among Eritrean diaspora on the facebook page of brother Kubrom Dafla.

          • Robel Cali

            Hi Abraham

            Not a single incident of violence has been reported to the police by this so-called Eri-blood gang. On the other hand, how many times have we seen middle age opposition youth attacking government supporters and vandalizing their property? In most cases, the opposition is the one to start a fight and as a result, they are the ones who are constantly being arrested and taken to jail.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Robel Cali,
            I’ve never heard of or seen those acts of vandalism that you’re associating some opposition persons with; on the contrary, I’ve heard and read of PFDJ diaspora community leaders who threaten, spy on, and intimidate Eritreans, just look some of the videos online which show the PFDJ affiliates who take pictures and video records of those who oppose the PFDJ in order to pass them to the mafia regime in Eritrea.

          • Thomas

            Hey Robel,

            Let’s leave the Eritreans aside because you seem to be ignoring the truth. Let’s talk about the threat the commission of inquire faced and that they reported at the podium while members of the UNHRC were attending. COI members were threatened to death and still they always feel unsafe. So, the supporters don’t only try to intimidate the poor Eritrean opposition members, but even nationals of other countries if they feel to oppose the mafia regime they support.

          • tes

            Selam Robel cali,

            My friends were victims of these gangster groups in Bologna 2014 demonstration- two of them were hospitalized. I was there during the incidence.

            Read this: Victims of PFDJ Gangsters.

            This was a first hand testimony.

            tes

            PS: AT -it is already Saturday here.

        • iSem

          hi Robel;
          You are lying! The opposition never used violence, it was only in response to the violence. The Mesfin H meeting in London u guys threw chairs at them, the gangsters on welfare attacked many opposition meetings

          • Robel Cali

            HI iSem

            NEVER? Youtube “Oakland ECCCC” to see the middle age youth opposition vandalizing the Eritrean Oakland community center. Remember, these are the leaders of Eritrean Youth Solidarity for Change (EYSC) opposition group doing this and not some fringe members.

            I can name other videos to show your “NEVER” comment is an emotional knee-jerk reaction to something everyone knows but hardly states: the opposition is far more likely to use violence than government supporters.

        • Peace!

          Hi Robel,

          What do you mean by “REAL YOUTH” are you referring to those who have served and bleed for their country? Or—-fill in the blank.

          Peace!

          • Robel Cali

            Hi Peace

            When I say real youth I mean kids. These are YPFDJ kids who want to socially connect with their countrymen. I say the opposition middle age youth because the Eritrean Youth Solidarity for Change (EYSC) group claims to be an opposition youth group but most of its members are 45 and up. Hence why I call them the middle age youth opposition. It’s no secret, the youth in the diaspora follow the government more so than oppose it. There’s a reason for that. You can thank all the Eritrea and Tigrinya bashing in the opposition camp. Bashing the government is fine but when you bash the country and become noticeably excited over sanctions and bad things happening to Eritrea, that’s when the youth in the diaspora see this is no opposition to the government but one that is opposition to Eritreans.

    • iSem

      Hi Robel;
      No, it is not social gathering, it is political. Call it what it is. Whey they talk about how Eri is doing well, when they discuss the history of Ghedli and Eri by wearing shidda, when they pledge allegiance to PFDJ and condemn, the UN, that is politics
      I am sure they are having fun, lot of it
      Ok, let say the number of refugees is 3000/month,half if it, Yemane admitted in an Arabic interview in London in 2015 and the journalist replied, “masshallah” that is still plenty. Yemane got the sarcasm and smirked

      • Robel Cali

        Hi Sem

        Actually, according to Ambassador Tesfamicael Gerahtu, the government believes around 1-1,500 Eritreans leave per month based on their assessments. This was also cited by a number of human rights organizations. But out of no where, this 5k number appeared in 2015. I think the figure came from an abnormal one month spike in migration that was then misquoted as being the normal monthly figure.

        And to answer your question, 3k per month vs 6k per month is a huge difference. 3k per month is 36,000 Eritreans leaving per year from a country of 4.5-5 million. That is very much sustainable and will not “empty” the country since around 150,000 Eritreans are born annually. This is not including all the Eritreans who move back to Eritrea either to retire or professionally help.

        Condemn the bogus UN sanctions against Eritrea? Yeah, they have that right. I also condemn the bogus sanctions against Eritrea. Any person that wants sanctions against his people is a lunatic. Why would I want my relatives back home to suffer more just so bearded buffoons in Addis Ababa hotels can think they are a step closer to ruling Eritrea because of it?

        YPFDJ is a social gathering where young Eritreans meet. Anyone who thinks its something else is giving too much credit to the Eritrean government. I’m telling you these kids want to meet and greet, they can careless about politics. This is their festival. But the middle age youth opposition wants to paint them as violent gang when in reality, they are the violent ones.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Robel C.,

          Sanctions on Eritrea while Ethiopia is occupying Eritrean land against the EEBC ruling!

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Simon K., the EU has released a declaration on the fifteenth anniversary of the EEBC border decision; there is no change in the position of the EU and the international community regarding this issue: the ball is in the court of the two countries, and it is only they who should resolve the impasse and allow the implementation of the decision. Ethiopia wants talks to resolve eventual complexities around the practical implementation while Eritrea insists on final and binding mantra; here we go, no war no peace continues.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abraham H.,

            Can you give a reference for your claim on the EU?

            If we assume you are correct on the EU related information, do you think the EU is right on its stance on the border issue?

            By the way, you sound as if you are speaking from the Ethiopian Foreign ministry spokesman’s office.

        • iSem

          hi Robel:
          Thank you!
          But, I do not believe the government number, PFDJ has no credibility, from IA to Yemane, all lie to to their teeth. Sudan and Ethioipia refugee camps and the hundreds that die in the sea tell us, it is much higher than th bogus 1,500 you are trying to believe
          Now about the meeting, if condemn the UN, it is political, do not call it social. yes, there are some who go there to learn about their culture and country and history and the need for belonging, fine, but they are taught lies, lies about their history, lies about Ghedli and lies about the current precarious situation of the country and the bleak future that PFDJ is exposing it to.
          I used to belong to student and youth movements when was in high school and in 1989 I was a leader of one and went to mieda for a congress and I know what these people operate to hijack the movement of the student, so if one is in the YPDJ, you are either a spy, a beneficiary of some sort or some one innocent and naive and looking for belonging and history and you are not going to get it. The Ductch court ruled against Sirak Bahlbi because it was political
          Now, you sound smart and fair person, so make some sense and stop believing teh PFDJ lies, multiply that by 3 and you will get a number closer to right answer, lower than the UN number that you are denying.
          Simon K, before you ask me how I got the number 3, it is a PFDJ constan, like the pi;-)

          • Robel Cali

            HI Sem

            Again, Google “Skepticism before sympathy: why journalists should verify figures from the U.N., NGOs and nonprofits” by Selam Solomon (reporter working for VOA). She will eloquently show you with evidence that this 5-6k figure is a farce. And the reason why Eritrea’s migration numbers are inflated is because the UN’s numbers come from the TPLF regime for its Ethiopia figures.

            Everything is political. From identity to religion, so what is your point?

            Condemning the UNSC bogus sanctions against Eritrea is a rational thing to do. It was based on bogus information and it’s being kept in place based on bogus criteria.

        • Brhan

          Hi Robel,
          Is it public though? Can they welcome pro-democracy Eritrean youth, among whom some who can ask about the absence of rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy to the organizers, on top of them to Yemane Gebreab a.k.a Monkey?

          • Robel Cali

            Hi Brhan

            Eritrea needs the constitution implemented, and above all, economic reform.

            From my understanding, YPFDJ conferences are open to anyone so long as they register and pay their deposits in advance. The money pays for hotel accommodation, bus fees and renting out a hall/building.

            When YPFDJ had a conference in California not too long ago, I recall a “justice seeker” walked in. No one told her to leave. No one payed her any attention until she started yelling and becoming obnoxious. Then they told her to leave. She then whined that she was kicked out for having different opinions when she was really kicked out for not registering and yelling.

            It’s this gutter mentality that the Eritrean opposition is known for. Yelling, ethnic slurs, regionalism, violence, sectarianism, religious fundamentalism. These are opposition traits.

          • Saba

            Hi Robel,
            The opposition wants a quick win and be in the throne. That’s why they do not practice their professed “democracy and rule of law”

  • Saba

    Greetings to All.

    If i weren’t not a lazy journalist, i would go and ask people why they are participating the ypfdj gathering. In particular i would ask the young people who crossed the Sahara desert and Mediterranean sea. I never understood why they join the PFDJ festivals abroad. May be it is the Stockholm syndrome.
    If i weren’t a lazy journalist, i wouldn’t just say this yPFDJ gathering is bad but i would explain why it is bad. Because doing so it lowers the expectations and the yPFDJ congress will look successful. Do you remember to which country is Eritrea compared to? As a result Tourists visit Eritrea with low expectation and at the end of their travel they say the PFDJ system is better than they expected. The PFDJ leaders know how to manage expectation. “Relative progress” Vs “Absolute progress”

    • Brhan

      Hello Saba

      Let me ask you this question is it a Public Meeting? Or only the members are attending in it. As you know and I assume you live in one of the western countries, if a meeting is public then it is open for journalists. But if it is for members only the ones who are running the event have the law in their side to choose who enters or not to their meeting. By this they will only allow their members of course who can be distinguished by their T-shirts , then supporters or sympathisers. Since a significant challenge from pro democracy Eritreans in Diaspora, the regime is conducting its meeting in low profile, thus to avoid those who will challenge it by simply asking questions.

      • Saba

        Dear Brhan,
        If i were a lazy journalist i would wait for the PFDJ to allow me in. You can ask the participants even outside the venue.

        • Brhan

          Hello Saba,
          You mean the meeting is public?

        • Brhan

          Hi Saba
          Forget my question.The meeting is cancelled and the onus goes to the opposition; the pro-democracy Eritreans who demonstrated there

    • iSem

      Hi Saba:
      if my incense and “rihan” and “shinfae” were not depleted , I would know that human beings have personal interests. If my “kerbe” was still potent, I would know that people can be willfilly ignorant and that they drive satsfaction form their failure in such a gathering, to be in close proximity to the ape, their anscetors
      If all my “ettan” was still in my “mebkokria” I would know that PFDJ only manages the smartest few and that the rest YPFDJ are just foot soliders, malleable even to lies of an ape

      • Saba

        Hi Semiruley, Shimka teDeMSisu to “iSem”. Better “Semir”

        If i had my “eTtan”, i would see the absence of the popular support of the opposition. And the opposition being obsolete.
        If i had my “rihan”, i would know that the opposition is willing to do anything as long as it hurts Isayas &PFDJ.
        You guys at the opposition are using too much of “koTsli HamBhAMBO” 🙂

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saba,

          Do you mind if I ask you a question? What for is used “qotsli Hambihabo” in the kebessan culture? Then I will see whether this specific tree has relevant to you comment.

          • Saba

            Selam Ato Amanuel,
            Is that to build a house?
            In the filed of “fewsey fewsi asha” that we discuss with iSem, it is a placebo i.e. toothless.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saba,

            Really you don’t know it and you don’t need to know it. Because it hasn’t any relevance to the issue at hand. Sis, when you debate on issues be serious and ready to give and take, in order to use our time wisely and fruitfully.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            You cannot leave it at that after arousing our curiosity; my antennas are deployed. I know it is a shrub and cannot be used for construction unless as a filler. Is it to obtain color? Your question reminded me about another plant leaves that was used to cover milk containers by those open air milk seller from Bahri, halib, halib, halib? It gave the milk a particular agreeable smell and taste? Any idea?
            Thank you in advance

        • Kebessa

          Hello Saba,
          koTsli HamBhAMBO? I think it is Sembehambo. ሰምበሃምቦ፣ ዳንዴር፣ ዓጥዓጥ፣ ሮማዲ፣ ሓረግ፣ ኣምዐ፣ ቆንጠፍጠፈ፣ ኣቀናጣስ፣ ኣሽንጦ፣ ሓምሊ ጫቚት፣ ኣጉለ፣ ሒሖት are some of the shrubs found in Kebessa Eritrea.
          I grew up in the big city of ours but I had good connection to geTer Eritrea. So I still remember things:)

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Saba,
      Your comment about lowering the bar “low expectation” is a brilliant insight.

      On the lazy journalism, you bravely stated you are one. I would like to suggest a solution that will make you active, instead f a lazy journalist. Are you willing to cooperate with Gedab News and cover events in your locality when major events take place. I hope you see there are a million ways not to be lazy.

      Thank you for the insight about the “low expectation”, I really mean it. Brilliant.

      • Saba

        Kbur Ato Saleh,
        Yes i am but i will be sad if you imitate me.
        If i am a good journalist, i would start with the opposition. Eritreans had unconditional trust for EPLF/PFDJ and now they are paying the price. Too much cost for a bad outcome. As a result the various Eritrean organizations/political parties appear as corrupt until proven otherwise. The opposition has to convince the Eritrean silent majority and it is not the other way around. It is up to the opposition to change their public perception.

        • tes

          Selam Saba,

          Are you the doctor? I sensed that you are one of those dealy missed awatistas. You were saying that you have a clinic to hire people from awate?

          The same approach now again

          tes

    • Nitricc

      Hi Saba; you know how the saying that goes like ” People with low self-esteem are more likely to sabotage against when themselves when something good happens to them, because they don’t feel deserving” that is the story of the Eritrean opposition.

    • Peace!

      Hi saba,

      why ask questions? how about shutting it down completely because thats what happened. The conference is now canceled and the mayor, in the Netherlands, didn’t even provide protection for yemane.

      Peace!

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Peace, that is good news, if what you just said is true. As I said before, the oppressive PFDJ must not in any sense be allowed to extend its arm of oppression to the free-world.

      • Saba

        Hi peace,
        That is breaking news! May be you should be the journalist.
        But what does this mean? Does this action sway the Eritrean people toward the opposition? You know many Eritreans have already rejected the PFDJ system but they are not supporting the opposition.

        • Peace!

          Hi Saba,
          Apparently your obsession with the poor opposition groups is forcing you to undermine your own intelligence and ignore the sense of urgency to salvage the country. It is a no brainer that just because the opposition groups are too weak and too dysfunctional doesn’t mean we have to settle with the monster and let him continue destroy the country.
          Peace!

      • jordi

        HEY Peace!
        That’s a lie, I follow hardcore PFDJ-stans on Twitter and apparently it was still held.

        xxxxx Here’s the video.

        (I’m Jordan but I changed my name for some privacy.. don’t want relatives to come up to me)

    • Nitricc

      Hey Saba, to add to your point, there is other factor to your low expectations analogy, that is high expectations by different entity, the weyanes. For every mishap in Ethiopia the first thing the Ethiopian government does is blame Eritrea. So much so, they gave Eritrea the statues of divine powers. The truth is the Ethiopians are bigger and stronger than Eritrea but the Ethiopians painted thus superpower of Eritrea. While the truth is that Eritrea is small, sanctioned and so called isolated if so how in the world is able to do all the harms to Ethiopians? So, I agree internally the bar is low and externally it the opposite of that, the bar is much higher. This where everything about Eritrea gets complicated. I think this two opposite forces is what held the Eritrean government in place and in control.

  • Mez

    Greetings,
    There are two approaches to expose and legally challenge this YPFDJ gathering; 1) to work-on and reach out the venue (conference hotel) owners & explain–evidence based– how harmful this “brainwashing” gathering is and convince them to cancel their contract with the organizers; this is basically denial of venue.

    2) To convince decision makers, at a higher political level, that Mr. Presidential Adviser–for all practical purposes– is “Dr. Goebels” of Eritrea; hence he shall really NOT be allowed to freely brainwash kids of immigrants and lead them to a skewed views of events in Eritrea and beyond.
    Thanks

    • Nitricc

      Hi, Sunshine; since when is holding a conference with adults considered ” brainwash kids”? I mean, what is wrong with people?

      • Mez

        Dear Nitricc,

        The name of the umbrella organization is Ypfdj. Hence the focus is primarily on kids or enkelkids of migrants primarily from Eritrea.

        Do we agree on this, Sir?

        Thanks

        • Nitricc

          Hi Mez; I am not disagreeing with that they are ” migrants, primarily, from Eritrea” Yes they are but what I am saying how would you able to coin ” brainwash kids of immigrants” what is brainwashing? what is the age stage for a brainwashing opportunity? how old is a “kid”? They are most of them collage students and grads; how on the world would you undermine them to conclude that they too stupid to be brainwashed by the Eritrean government. it is an insult to their intelligence.

          • Mez

            Dear Nitricc,

            Detail matters; please don’t mis-paraphrase/ misquote me. What I am saying is: this gathering of Ypfdj is primarily targeting kids, and enkelkids of migrants, primarily, from Eritrea.

            What age exactly the participants are, is hard to determine unless the organizers made it public.

            That this gathering is more of brainwashing and deceptive misinformation of the happenings in Eritrea and beyond is clear without doubt.

            Brainwashing, for the sake of this conversation, could be understood as an effort 1) to knowingly tilt facts, 2) implant wrong information and data; in an otherwise generally true narration of events and happenings–past and present– thereby influence future happenings. The core objective of brainwashing washing is to Lie, Cheat, and ultimately Steal people’s time, money….

            Thanks

          • Nitricc

            Hi Mez; correct me if I got it wrong but when you believe they could be brainwashed aren’t you doubting their cognitive and their intelligence? So, what I am saying is the reason for the out cry is entirely different and politically motivated. the truth is PFDJ gave the youth something to chew while the opposition remained nothing to offer and toothless. They are just pissed how PFDJ got the attention of the youth while the opposition is failing to get the attention of the old. That is the real story and this what all about.
            Regards!

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Have you ever tried to think about who is running, though in a mafia style, the nation called Eritrea? Have you ever been taught on what is fair and what is not? Can you differentiate b/n what is right and wrong? Monkey is telling this kids that they will be future leaders of the nation and for that to be attained all they have to do is defend the indefensible crimes that they are committing. How do I know this? Because he has already baptized them with the name, YPFDJ!! If Monkey was fair, he should be doing is work with the kids inside to country. That is start from inside out.

      • Nitricc

        I said HI!

      • Mez

        Dear Moderator,

        Please un-delete the the content of the above message for the sake of full flow of the discussion.
        Thanks

        PS: For me the nick-name is not derogatory; the sun is the ultimate life giver of our planet. I applaud him for calling me so; but I advice him to stay focused on the subject at hand.

        Thanks for the special consideration in advance.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings: Some times there are things, no matter how hard one tried to make it story, they just don’t make sense. I was watching a clip about this issue, I think his name was Dafala? the leader of the group who was giving the press conference, I guess, said this YPFDJ conference will “danger the well being of Netherland” he wasn’t even referring to the reputation of the country but he did say actually to the survival of the Netherland, HOW?. The thing I have no idea who the speaker is but it seems he is craping in his pants. I mean, what is so big deal about gathering a few Eritrean youth? I don’t believe a word what this cowards are saying about the Eritrean youth. I know many of them and they are fine young people who care about their country. I know, it is how the Eritrean politics goes, but come-on, people! The truth is, the opposition got played by PFDJ and instead of swaying the youth to their cause, they are at war the very youth who are the future of the country. Just brilliant!! my take is it was tried for many years that insulting and calling the youth of Hitler it didn’t work; why not changed it up and try the alternative, engage and explain your cause?

    • Hey Nitric,

      For the record my real name is not Solomon*.It is Kunta. Kunta Kinte.

      You know they say an abused child more THAN likely turns out to be an abuser.

      I am stile stuck on just desiring a couple of inchiches THAN the whole enchilada. Well got to walk about a mile to the taco truck for my breakfast burrito. My Greek mythology did not grab.

      I see somewhat of a quarterly trend here. Excellent articles and forum discussions at the beginning of each quarter, and in between the same mundane squabbles. I sure hope the opposition succeeds in regime change this year so we can move on already. Otherwise we May be stuck for the start of the Third Quarter of century as this new Second Quarter of the Adulusian Erythria State will no longer be new in 18.
      Do you think DIA may be right when he said you will have to wait another Fifty Years for FREE if there ever such a thing as FREEDOM?

      Well…. I just wanted to say my REAL name is NOT Solomon*. It is Abraha Pushkin and I AmAdelusian.

      tSAtSE

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